WH: Yeah, about those 7 million people we needed to register for Obamacare…

posted at 6:31 pm on November 3, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

It was quite the weekend of, shall we say, managing expectations in Washington. Erika already pointed out that the original roll out for the whole, “if you like your plan” may have been questioned internally by subject matter experts and advisors, but hey… that didn’t matter. See, we never really meant all the plans. Just the good ones.

Another theme you previously heard from administration officials over and over again dealt with how many people absolutely, positively, without a doubt would need to be enrolled in the program in order for it to be able to stand on its own feet financially. That number, lest you somehow missed it, was seven million. We need everyone on board with this and registered in order for everyone to share the burden. But, as Andrew Johnson points out at The Corner, White House spokesman Dan Pfeiffer showed up on the Sunday show circuit to say that the original number may have been more of an estimate.

Dan Pfeiffer, one of President Obama’s top advisers, played down the initial estimation that 7 million people would need to enroll in Obamacare exchanges in order for the program to succeed. He said the White House wasn’t going off of that figure offered by the Congressional Budget Office, but rather just try to “as many people done as possible.”

Let’s go to the video.

You have to admit, as targets go, as many people as possible is a pretty comfortable goal. You pretty much can’t miss that one, even if the number turns out to be six. But seriously, if there are any software people left in the country currently not working on fixing this debacle, somebody may want to build us a database just to keep track of the number of different stories we’ve been told about this program from the original bill of sale to present.

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To be honest, I think this was a lousy Sunday for the Obama team. They sent out Axelrod, Pfeiffer, and Ezekiel Emmanuel. All three were bad, and I thought Emmanuel looked incredibly bad. I’m betting Obama couldn’t get any other takers to go out and defend this turd.

I currently have a low premium ($150/month), high deductible ($6,000) plan that I’m quite happy with. I’ve had it for years and have only ever exceeded my deductible once, the year my son was born and also required surgery.

So, if my plan changes to something unreasonable I just won’t buy insurance. I’ll self-insure to the best if my ability. And if Rush was right about the IRS not being able to penalize you or collect the fine unless you have a refund coming, I won’t pay the fine either.

I’ve already been questioning doctors about concierge services.

If enough healthy people did the same, Obamacare wouldn’t have sufficient funding.

Actually, the 7 million figure wasn’t critical, it was estimated they would need that many overall to get the 2.7 million young, healthy people they absolutely MUST enroll to cover the costs of the sicker and older enrollees, and new Medicaid parasites. Even that estimate may be low, as CBO’s history of estimating the costs of new entitlements is not one of remarkable accuracy or conservative projections.

One of the huge problems with PPACA structurally is it is built for adverse selection: the only people who save any money are those who need coverage because of sickness or whose income is low enough to “earn” large subsidies or a new Medicaid freebie. The rank and file of average people are almost all getting screwed, giving them a disincentive to enroll. And the young people they cannot make the numbers work without are going to see shocking numbers for coverage they don’t really want or need.

But seriously, if there are any software people left in the country currently not working on fixing this debacle, somebody may want to build us a database just to keep track of the number of different stories we’ve been told about this program from the original bill of sale to present.

There is not sufficient computer capacity in the entire world to track the lies that have been (and no doubt will continue to be) told by President 404 about Obamacare and all of its splendor.

BuckeyeSam -when the company I was working for Reorganized – being upper management the door opened and I survived 7 years without the 3 medications I had been on for 7 years -kindof going Gault so to speak – Hope all will survive the same way – I would bet most Doctors would renew meds under the table for cash – Heck I’m 60 and I think it is a shame our U.S.A. has been “Had”..

Maybe they should have done it by simply clicking LIKE on Facebook.
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CWchangedhisNicagain on November 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Actually not a bad idea, since FB has enough data on each user to fill at least 4 or 5 pages with data.
Though if anyone with brains were running the show they would have basic applications ready to go out along with the 2010 census, just after the law was signed.

According to a caller to Rush on Friday, the website verifies id by checking to see if the applicant has a credit history at experian. Callers without credit history, like students, will not be verified and are referred to a phone number. However, illegal aliens often work with stolen social security numbers, and they can get credit, which they use for identification. They also can get bank accounts.

The Obamacare system includes voter registration.

This exceeds even motor voter in audacity, and just in time for the next election

“My amendment says basically that everybody including Justice Roberts — who seems to be such a fan of Obamacare — gets it too. See, right now, Justice Roberts is still continuing to have federal employee health insurance subsidized by the taxpayer. And if he likes Obamacare so much, I’m going to give him an amendment that gives Obamacare to Justice Roberts.”

Remember, it was not only 7 million, but 7 million with 2.7 million young and healthy insured. The 2.7 was needed to make Obamacare econominically viable, and to get 2.7 healthies, it was figured that 7 million total was needed. Thus: 1) even if 7 million were to be reached the # of young and healthies will be much lower than 2.7 and therefore there will be economic failure, 2) in fact 7 million will not be reached and moreover healthies will be a lower percentage than hoped for; economic failure of Obamacare is assured. Nevertheless, the law as written will bail out insurance companies for at least three years by increasing debt and taxes.

Therefore Obama has completely abandoned “economically viable” as a goal. Now “success” is simply entrenching Obamacare into the system as much as possible; forget about the cost. Again, for at the next three years “if” (really “when”) healthcare is awash in red ink, there already is authorization to borrow and/or tax to pay for the failure.

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McAuliffe is heading for a strong victory in VA, the absolute kookiest of left-wing kooks is going to be elected NYC mayor, and Shrillery is going to be coronated in 2016. The peeps don’t care. They just don’t. It’s going to take some really bad shit doing down at the hands of the government before the peeps wake up. And maybe not even then.

Getting two million people kicked off their insurance plan is a good head start towards 7 million potential 404Care victims/customers. You can see why they look at this as a temporary PR issue and are unwilling to change the regulation causing the problem.

Juan Williams has staked his word on the fact we are fools and partisans for saying this Obamacare fiasco is a lie and for being skeptical the numbers won’t be reached.
Juan does not have a degree in economics like the other William, Walter Williams, does as well as myself. A shame. If he did he would understand that the static measure method of economic modeling does not include market choice. And the OBM uses it as a matter of administration, thus ensuring that its results are always wrong.

Julia is a hostess at a local restaurant, earning nearly $8 an hour. Her employer used to schedule Julia 30 hours a week, but when the ACA was signed, her hours dropped to 25 hours a week.

When Julia was working 30 hours a week, she figured that she’d only need around $100 a month in subsidies to purchase an insurance plan that would cover her and her young son. But the loss of those 5 hours a week, cost Julia $160 a month in lost wages – and the price of her insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges has gone up by another $90 a month. So instead of just needing a mere $100 in subsidies – our friend Julia now needs the taxpayer to fork over $350 a month in subsidies.

I estimated that I would need well over a million to retire and live 30 years…but that was just an estimate and I’m doing fine on $12 a month…eating the bugs has kept my cholesterol down and walking 12 miles a day to collect firewood has toned my old body somewhat and…

She’s doing fine. I saw her down on Main St the other night looking hot–miniskirt and fishnet stockings–great boobs, and she was very popular, talking to all these men that would pull up in their cars.

I’m not sure who’s dumber; those that voted for OBunglerCare thinking that it would be a good thing, or those who know it’s a complete pile of rancid garbage and won’t move Heaven and Earth to dismantel it, now?

But seriously, if there are any software people left in the country currently not working on fixing this debacle, somebody may want to build us a database just to keep track of the number of different stories we’ve been told about this program from the original bill of sale to present.

Nah, this needs the software that intelligence critters use to try and isolate facts by looking at commonalities across a wide swath of data.

This weekend, Hubby contacted the Obamacare helpline asking about removing our information from the website. Navigator/OFA volunteer/whoever is answering the helpline, said that they are getting many calls requesting that people’s information be deleted before it’s compromised… Apparently, a CGI rep will be calling us back in a couple of days.

As long as we all understand that none of this is Obama’s fault. It’s the government’s fault off which when things go poorly Obama has never been in. If and when something goes right again (killing Osama), Obama will be there to take all of the credit as he did it all by himself being so super smarty ans stuff.