Vodka Zombie:Bush had a lot of years to educate these assholes, but, instead, he chose to exploit and capitalize on their hatred by stoking their ignorance and fear.

Um, I wouldn't blame him for this. Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it. But they were upset about a 'New World Order'- in a speech given by George HW Bush. Anyways, they are the ones that bought the yellow magnets and trumpeted their patriotism the loudest after 9/11.

Their anger was turned towards 'them', no matter who they were. Remember 'you are either with us or you are against us'? That's eaten up by these people. Well, they'd spent 7 years being pissed off at muslim fascist democratic socialist terrorists when Obama was elected. With all the mis-information being passed around, these people turned it up to a 9. You only see a few of these guys going to 11 (JT Ready, this guy in Wisconsin), but they are there and they are jacked. And they preceded Bush.

Nadie_AZ:Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.

He said extremist. Fundamentalism is not evangelical, is it?

the definitions get a bit fuzzy. there's a LOT of crossover between the two groups. so I could have been a bit more clear in my phrasing. that said, there is a radical sect of christianity in this country that wouldn't shed a tear if every non-christian in the country suddenly keeled over and died tomorrow morning.

FlashHarry:and this is before the possible arson at the missouri mosque today.

It's going to get worse, sadly.

As pointless of an exercise as I see religion to be, I would never terrorize any group or individual's right to practice their religion in America. And, that's what makes me (and hopefully most Americans) better than the worthless, bedwetting cowards who resort to shooting up temples or burning down mosques or blowing up churches. There should be no room in America for people who do these things because we, as a nation, need to be better than that.

Unfortunately, we're currently not better, and with several Conservative politicians' rhetoric helping to fuel these terrorists, we're never going to be better.

Weaver95:Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.

He said extremist. Fundamentalism is not evangelical, is it?

the definitions get a bit fuzzy. there's a LOT of crossover between the two groups. so I could have been a bit more clear in my phrasing. that said, there is a radical sect of christianity in this country that wouldn't shed a tear if every non-christian in the country suddenly keeled over and died tomorrow morning.

Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.

Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.

welcome to the past 2000 years of history. we've been killing one another over various/sundry gods for a long time now. that said, the US has been able to largely avoid massive disruptions due to religions conflicts. well, at least as far as recent history goes. But...we're starting to see a shift among religions fundies in the US - they're getting more desperate.

Weaver95:GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.

Sarcasm aside? Does that mean you're a fundamentalist on me, fundamentally opposed to me? Since I'm right, doesn't that make you somewhere near these people on the threat scale? These people share more than a few political opinions with you, or they are at least close every once in a while. I'm not aware of any they share with me.

Is there any evidence that this guy had planned any of his attack with others, or did he just go on the rampage on his own?Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and leader of a white power music band.None of those things are illegal, so I'd rather not have the DHS going around spying on people just because of their political views.

That said, yes there should be more than one person in the DHS dealing with domestic terrorism.

ShawnDoc:GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?

Mosque burned down in Missouri.

I'd also include a Christian who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi and a state Constitutional Amendment set to pass by a wide margin in Missouri that bans non-Christian teaching.

I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

serial_crusher:Is there any evidence that this guy had planned any of his attack with others, or did he just go on the rampage on his own?Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and leader of a white power music band.None of those things are illegal, so I'd rather not have the DHS going around spying on people just because of their political views.

That said, yes there should be more than one person in the DHS dealing with domestic terrorism.

Well, that would require a government job, so Republicans are fundamentally opposed to it, as well as Libertarians. After all, all government spending is bad.

Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.

welcome to the past 2000 years of history. we've been killing one another over various/sundry gods for a long time now. that said, the US has been able to largely avoid massive disruptions due to religions conflicts. well, at least as far as recent history goes. But...we're starting to see a shift among religions fundies in the US - they're getting more desperate.

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.

GAT_00:Weaver95: GAT_00:I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?

I don't own a gun.

does it make you feel better or worse to know that there are a bunch of very devout christians who want to fight for your right to go out and buy a gun with no waiting period and almost zero restrictions or background checks on your purchase...?

Weaver95:GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?

I don't own a gun.

does it make you feel better or worse to know that there are a bunch of very devout christians who want to fight for your right to go out and buy a gun with no waiting period and almost zero restrictions or background checks on your purchase...?