Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

Fig. 3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.

Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king's principal waiters, as represented by the characters above the hand.

PROVE THIS IS TRUE YOU f*****g Mormons WHO LOVE AND MAKE A LIE! Mormons are liars and bad citizens! Mormon scholars are the worst f*****g liars and insult acadamia! BYU is a house of lies and their General Authorities are like whores, liars and cowards -- they [pornographic content deleted]!

Mormon scholars need to get the hell out of Egyptian museums -- you f*****g liars! That includes you, John Gee -- you Mormon whore! You're an Egyptologist of the worst degree. You're fired!

Paul O

_________________If he or she remains in this Church, it must be done by crawling over or under or around the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 to continue and remain.

Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

Fig. 3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.

Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king's principal waiters, as represented by the characters above the hand.

Paul O[/b]

Hey, Paul.

My favorite "dumb" statement by Joseph Smith. King Pharaoh. In my personal view, this is enough to call all of Joseph Smith's prophecies and translations horse biscuits. He didn't know that the word Pharaoh was the Egyptian word for "king" and not actually the king's name.

_________________This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

My favorite "dumb" statement by Joseph Smith. King Pharaoh. In my personal view, this is enough to call all of Joseph Smith's prophecies and translations horse biscuits. He didn't know that the word Pharaoh was the Egyptian word for "king" and not actually the king's name.

Hey Q,

Joseph Smith was pretty much schooled in the King James Translation and didn't know jack-shit about the real Bible that was made long before the English horse**** version, 1611. It's true that Joseph Smith studyied Hebrew crap a little later on but he was still a major f*** up when it came to translating and his inability to fool the vast majority of modern mankind is a thankful sign that earth is still halfway intelligent. Mormons, however, are dumb f***s and will believe any silly story uttered from the mouths of their General Authorities -- untill a given policy changes. Mormons are alway trying to defend themselves! Little wonder why they are in that sorry position.

Joseph Smith [pornographic content deleted], I suppose.

Paul O

_________________If he or she remains in this Church, it must be done by crawling over or under or around the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 to continue and remain.

Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.

Fig. 3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.

Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king's principal waiters, as represented by the characters above the hand.

PROVE THIS IS TRUE YOU f*****g Mormons WHO LOVE AND MAKE A LIE! Mormons are liars and bad citizens! Mormon scholars are the worst f*****g liars and insult acadamia! BYU is a house of lies and their General Authorities are like whores, liars and cowards -- they [pornographic content deleted]!

Mormon scholars need to get the hell out of Egyptian museums -- you f*****g liars! That includes you, John Gee -- you Mormon whore! You're an Egyptologist of the worst degree. You're fired!

Just imagine if Facsimile No. 3., Fig. 2., really was the king of Egypt with a real King's name written overhead! Wow, we sinners would have great cause to fear the Mormon church and their founding prophet.

Just imagine if the name of a king's son really was written over the hand as Joseph Smith claimed, thus his feable attempt to fool the uneducated -- BYU is uneducated with regards to Facsimile No. 3., and should be stripped of any Egyptological academic respect, worldwide.

Just imagine if the name "Shulem" really was written on the papyrus as Joseph Smith claimed in his vain effort to woo the stupid Latter-day Saints who gave him money and women to fill his needs.

Just imagine if Egypt's great god was really nothing but a slave! Imagine Anubis as a slave as Joseph Smith claimed. Wow, that would elevate BYU to some kind of status. But we see that BYU is the house of whoredom and false Egyptology headed by false prophets and silly scholars. Let the world laugh and mock at the false scholars with degrees from a box of Cracker Jack lest we also be stupid enough to follow them.

John Gee and Hugh Nibley have perverted Egyptology and attempted to fool the world in following false Mormon Egyptology. Shame on them! Shame on Thomas Monson for not being man enough to own up to the false claims of Mormonism. Monson is just a boy.

Paul O

_________________If he or she remains in this Church, it must be done by crawling over or under or around the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 to continue and remain.

Just imagine if Facsimile No. 3., Fig. 2., really was the king of Egypt with a real King's name written overhead! Wow, we sinners would have great cause to fear the Mormon church and their founding prophet.

I have no argument. The Mormon church has an argument in trying to fool the world 1830-40's into believing false Egyptology based on Joseph Smith's pretended translations. I've called his hand. He is a liar.

Prove me wrong.

Show me the name "Shulem".

Explain to me how Egypt's chief god is a mere slave.

[pornographic content deleted]

Paul O

_________________If he or she remains in this Church, it must be done by crawling over or under or around the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 to continue and remain.

Just imagine if Facsimile No. 3., Fig. 2., really was the king of Egypt with a real King's name written overhead! Wow, we sinners would have great cause to fear the Mormon church and their founding prophet.

There is no "Mormon church."

There is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

See below, it's no wonder people are confused as to the name for the Church where Mormon's go...

The church teaches that it is a continuation of the Church of Christ established in 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. This original church underwent several name changes during the 1830s, being called the Church of Jesus Christ, the Church of God, and then in 1834, the name was officially changed to the Church of the Latter Day Saints. In April 1838, the name was officially changed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. After Smith died, Brigham Young and the largest body of Smith's followers incorporated the LDS Church in 1851 by legislation of the State of Deseret under the name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which included a hyphenated "Latter-day" and a lower-case "d". In 1887, the LDS Church was legally dissolved in the United States by the Edmunds–Tucker Act because of the church's practice (now abandoned) of polygamy. The Edmunds-Tucker Act was repealed in 1978(coincidence...?). The church has continued to operate under what remains its formal name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Accepted informal names include the LDS Church, the Latter-day Saints, and the Mormons. The term Mormon Church is in common use, but the church began discouraging its use in the late 20th century, though takes no issue with the term Mormon itself. The church requests that the official name be used when possible or, if necessary, shortened to "the Church" or "the Church of Jesus Christ".The church has organized several tax-exempt corporations to assist with the transfer of money and capital. These include the Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, organized in 1916 under the laws of the state of Utah to acquire, hold, and dispose of real property. In 1923, the church incorporated the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Utah to receive and manage money and church donations. In 1997, the church incorporated Intellectual Reserve, Inc. to hold all the church's copyrights, trademarks, and other intellectual property. The church also holds several non-tax-exempt corporations.

_________________'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)

Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told.Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.

And how many times over the past 150 plus years have General Authorities referred to the Mormon Church as the Mormon Church in official publications and writings?

Who the hell are you to correct your past prophets? Are you a prophet? No! You are just a member of the Mormon church.

Paul O

Let me count them....

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I have a compromise! Not LDS or Mormon. Lets call the members of the LDS Church Brighamites. It is, after all, the most accurate name. Since Brigham Young is truly the father of all LDS in the corridor, it's appropriate.

_________________This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

I have a compromise! Not LDS or Mormon. Lets call the members of the LDS Church Brighamites. It is, after all, the most accurate name. Since Brigham Young is truly the father of all LDS in the corridor, it's appropriate.

There are quite a few offshoots of the Brighamites. Think of all the polygamous sects.

I propose a completely unmistakable appelation:

Utah's wealthiest sect of Brighamite Mormonism

You can't go wrong with that one.

[MODERATOR NOTE by Shades: Shulem, the former rule remains in place. Specifically, you must be 100% alcohol-free for a full 24 hours before you may read or post here.]

_________________"The Book of Abraham has proven to be as obvious a fraud as the Salamander Letter. . . Actually, that's an unfair comparison. The Salamander Letter was a much more impressive fraud than the Book of Abraham."

I have a compromise! Not LDS or Mormon. Lets call the members of the LDS Church Brighamites. It is, after all, the most accurate name. Since Brigham Young is truly the father of all LDS in the corridor, it's appropriate.

There are quite a few offshoots of the Brighamites. Think of all the polygamous sects.

I propose a completely unmistakable appelation:

Utah's wealthiest sect of Brighamite Mormonism

You can't go wrong with that one.

[MODERATOR NOTE by Shades: Shulem, the former rule remains in place. Specifically, you must be 100% alcohol-free for a full 24 hours before you may read or post here.]

"Utah's wealthiest sect of Brighamite Mormonism" is more accurate, but a little clumsy and a mouthful to write, in my opinion. UWSBM? One would have to explain every time one posted it. :)

I usually have a glass of wine with dinner. That means I could never post here!

I'm hoping for plenary indulgence.

_________________This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

I usually have a glass of wine with dinner. That means I could never post here!

You can post coherently even with a few drinks in you. Shulem can't.

_________________"The Book of Abraham has proven to be as obvious a fraud as the Salamander Letter. . . Actually, that's an unfair comparison. The Salamander Letter was a much more impressive fraud than the Book of Abraham."

_________________Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

I usually have a glass of wine with dinner. That means I could never post here!

You can post coherently even with a few drinks in you. Shulem can't.

His points are coherent, just not particularly polite.

_________________"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844