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Комментарий от Burnett

I can already see that this is going to be one of the most heavily debated and fought over trinkets in the game. Those stats are good for every single physical DPS class in the game, and I predict 150 comments of debate and name-calling.

One thing that people need to remember, though, is that an upgrade is an upgrade. All physical classes can use it, and it is significantly better than any other trinket avaliable, so please don't start whining when someone says "I can't wait to get it for my <class>".

If you're going to downrate me, can you at least explain why what I said is incorrect?

Комментарий от scaramoush

Any word on what decides what proc you get?

I can see the ArP proc being a hassle for folks who would be pushed over the hardcap, and a warrior would vastly prefer the STR to the AGI.

Комментарий от batkat

This looks to be a "smart" trinket. I'm betting it will provide the buffs based on class. So DKs and warriors won't be ending up with 600 agility that they don't really need, and same with hunters not getting 600 strength that would be useless to them. not sure about the other stats though.

Комментарий от Fallerup

So, will the procc be random, yet "smart" as batkat says? I'm guessing this is the case. most other trinkets like this will procc your highest stat, but this doesn't say that this is the case. As a MM hunter, I wouldn't mind the agi but would prefer the armor pen. And as Survival hunter I doubt I'd even roll on something like this JUST for the procc. For example Darkmoon Card: Greatness at least has the favored stat on it, but this is a very good trinket for all non-casters :)

Комментарий от Taveena

This... is going to seem like an irrelevant complaint, but... I know there're no female Iron Dwarves, but am I going to have to watch my female paladin turning into a male Vrykul/Taunka every time this procs?It's going to be like watching that mountain dew commercial. Over and over and over.... only no caffeine.

Комментарий от Timetodance

Are we able to get a list started of what proc effect you get for each class (maybe spec as well)? I don't want any speculation, just the information from people who have the item.e.g. Fury Warrior - Arp (Iron Dwarf) or Str (Taunka) or Crit (Iron Dwarf)

Комментарий от saphiram

I just got this for my feral druid, after running it for about half an hour, the only buffs I got were the strength, armor penetration, and agility ones.

Комментарий от nbuubu

Just got this trinket tonight, in our first clear of ICC's first wing. Wanted to test the proc rate.

I sat my hunter in Org simply autoshotting the target dummy. This card procs 100% on hit, as it always starts from the first autoshot. As a hunter, the only transformations that happen are 600 AGI, 600 CRIT, and 1200 AP.

Started the stopwatch as soon as I started autoshotting. First proc was instant, 1200 AP.

Next Proc at 1 min 48 seconds. 1200 AP.

Next Proc at 3 min 42 seconds. 600 AGI.

Next Proc at 5 min 35 seconds. 1200 AP.

Next Proc at 7 min 23 seconds. 1200 AP.

Next Proc at 9 min 21 seconds. 600 Crit.

Next Proc at 11 min 10 seconds. 600 AGI.

Next Proc at 12 min 56 seconds. 600 AGI.

So with a 30 second duration, it seems to have a slightly under 2 minute internal cd, if I'm reading that right. Or it could be something high, like a 25-50% chance to proc on hit (and I just got lucky every time I started), with a 90 second internal CD.

Комментарий от sihyunie

Here is a quick preview of the possible procs for each class.I found all these information from Elitistjerks forum for each class.Updated 1/7 (Blizzard changed the ArP proc to Haste to avoid capping ArP so easily)

Комментарий от Haskel

So much for it choosing stats that are good for your class. No haste for Enhancement, and we get ArP instead. I was really hoping with the bad passive stat, that the proc would be amazing. Guess I'll stick w/ shooting for Herkuml War Token

Комментарий от Adelaide2

I have this very interesting and annoying problem. I use Deathbringer's Will as one of my trinkets. I discovered that on gunship battle in ICC10 when the trinket procs and transforms me, then I can't use rocket goblin pack. Which is kind of annoying and I died because of that because I could not get back on Skybreaker when defeating battle-mage...When the transformation runs off, the rocket pack works once again.

Комментарий от NekoSOM

I know this is a purely hypothetical question, considering they'd never use it, but considering the procs are class specific...

Of course those numbers might shift if one was to decide to play without the tier set or 4 x T10 + 1 non set.

There are quite some options to go in terms of items without armor penetration rating as known so far, like Endless Vengeance (Ashen Verdict exalted).So it sounds pretty interesting as a choice.

Комментарий от Ovacor

I just received this trinket tonight as a Hunter. And I must say I am very satisfied with it, there are three procs from it. As seen below it is 1,200 AP/600 Critical Strike Rating/600 Agility. This varies by class though. The procs are totally random BUT often. It does NOT share a CD with my other trinket which is Grim Toll. Amazing trinket, I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I =)

Комментарий от Sympathy

Shaman proc appears to be AP, Agi and ArP.

Pretty poor effort on Blizzards behalf, we complain so much about ArP and they still put it on our gear and even on a trinket with class/spec specific buffs. Srsly.

Комментарий от totemstotems

I received this on my Fem Orc DK

To answer the question of M/F animations, all of my procs so far have been the same 3 male animations.

Spec - Unholy

Str - Taunka Male Crit - Iron Dwarf Male Haste - Vrykul Male

On an off note if you go into WSG with your PvE gear, this trinket, and get the zerker buff you will become the most godlike Taunka to ever slaughter the alliance.

GG!

Комментарий от Jarsniffer

Would it be safe to say MM hunters benefit from this trinket more than any other class?

Before you start flaming, hear me out:

The static ArP benefits all of our major damage abilities. All three proc's are big DPS boosts, without the diminished value of crit for melee classes.

The classes that get an ArP proc, will see much lower uptime than a Runestone.

All the other classes have either a sub-optimal proc or can't make full use of the static ArP.

Комментарий от Kritwo

BTW, can anyone post some screenies of the races you turn into, wielding your weapons =)

Комментарий от Mongoos

The one and only way to get a TaurenTaunka rogue.

Комментарий от Sharandris

An ArP proc seems pretty useless for a druid since it looks like we can't avoid going for the hard cap anyway, there is just too much ArP on every other item. Just a guess though, the math isn't done yet.

Комментарий от Salus

This is all the available procs from the trinket, please note a certain class will recieve a select few of the below:

Комментарий от bobbler

As of 3.3, here is a list of the trinkets for raiding Ret Paladins from best to worst according to current rawr modelling. Coming from a progression-focused ret, you should probably let Deathbringers will go to another class and continue praying for a DC/WS to drop.

Death Choice (H)

Whispering Skull (H)

Death Choice

Whispering Skull

Herkuml War Token (Frost Badges)

Deathbringer's Will (H)

Deathbringer's Will

Darkmoon:Greatness

Комментарий от Thlop

I cant wait to get it for my "mage".

Комментарий от tosbanzai

Darkmoon: Greatness appears to interfere with the proc on this trinket. I'm not sure if it is a bug or not.

I won it tonight on my Hunter and went to the meters right away.

Once in a while it would proc off the bat, and knowledgeable of the long ICD, i made sure it would be up by the next test which would be ~2 minutes after my last attack.

Several tests went with Multiple procs of Greatness and not a single proc from this trinket.

I switched out my deck for the Needle Encrusted trinket, and every subsequent test, it proc'd like a charm.

Комментарий от sethduck

It pretty much a SUPER DUPER Darkmoon Card: Geatness with the exception that it's a random form with it abilities there is a hunter on my server called Carcic that has this trinket. I was in Dal and stumbled upon him dueling someone. As he was fighting he went from iron dwarf to vrykul so it seems the form is random and can change quickly and is not hard to acquire the chance for the form change.

Комментарий от tosbanzai

Yes, I spoke with a Hunter acquaintance on my server and he appears to have no issues with Death's Choice/Verdict stacking with Deathbringer's Will either.

If it is working for the Strength deck, I suspect this is a potential bug and not working as intended as I thought before I went to bed.

Комментарий от tosbanzai

Yes, I spoke with a Hunter acquaintance on my server and he appears to have no issues with Death's Choice/Verdict stacking with Deathbringer's Will either.

If it is working for the Strength deck, I suspect this is a potential bug and not working as intended as I thought before I went to bed.

They can in fact work at the same time but it would appear the chance is incredibly low. I have no idea how it is calculated but it almost always procs right off the bat without Greatness equipped. Greatness is the only trinket I am having issues with.

Much like the "On Use" effect of some trinkets, you cant "use" both of one type at the same time, this might be similar for proc based trinkets, or at least my Greatness deck with +Agi.

I have a Mirror of Truth and Pyrite Infuser to test against the Deathbringer's Will. If similar procs occur at the same time, and do not for Greatness (Agi) then it may be a bug with one of the two items.

If anyone has an SS of the Vyrkul buff with Greatness up at the same time (not to be mistaken with the T9 4 piece, which I believe uses the same buff icon) that would save me a lot of time :)

Edit #2:

I confirmed that the Pyrite Infuser's AP proc can co-exist with Deathbringer's Will's AP proc, now to test the Greatness deck solely, will post results as soon as I get a lucky Vyrkul/Greatness proc at the same time, or hours later with no luck ;)

Edit #3:

It would appear I had some really weird and unfortunate luck. Without the 4 piece T9 I had no problems getting both to proc at the same time, and I only went th 3/5 as to not confuse buffs at glace, going to test next with 4/5 on.

Edit #4:

After about ten minutes I got both Greatness (agi) and the Vyrkul 600 Agi buff to proc at the same time. I wonder if perhaps I was having ridiculously bad luck last night or they hot-fixed it. I guess I'll never know now =/

Either way it is great news for hunters ^_^

Комментарий от kemperlol

Be careful with this trinket on Icecrown Gunship Battle. The transformations count as shape shifting and will cause the rocket pack not to work. So before you rocket back you will need to right click off the buff/form.

I'm a warrior also, I see the 600 str/arp/crit buffs.

Комментарий от eidra

Got this last night and tried it in some bgs. This trinket can proc off of sap and does not break stealth when it procs.

Getting the 1200ap proc off a sap and 100-0ing a 24khp target in a cheapshot as a tauren rogue is kinda fun. Heh.

Комментарий от Sobby

I cant help to find this trinket a little anoying. Playing Fury warrior myself, I am stuck with the arp. proc. Despite how good the arp. proc. is it has a HARD cap. Looking for gear in both ToC and ICC, the biggest issue is not having to much Hit / Exp / Arp. There is no challenge left beeing Hit or Exp soft capped. No matter how I look at it and how good the arp. proc. might be. Fury warriors will most likely not use all 600 arp. to get hard capped. Depending a little on if you gemmed for it or not. Having the right proc. will make a huge difference. There is just as big a chance of having it proc. arp - arp - arp or str. - str. - str. And if your geared one way or the other, those proc. are far from the same. I will probably more than once blame this trinket for me noobing on DPS. And say Ohh I had the wrong procs. But in short, I think its abit anoying that it proc. a state with a hard cap. Specially when the hard cap is no challenge at all to reach.

Sorry for the moaning I just had to get it out if my system.

Комментарий от peeka

the information on the main page says 'this only drops in 10 icc heroic'. This is wrong. It just dropped for me last night, from 25 man ICC normal, 4th boss (saurfang).

Комментарий от Longtooth

that is requiered on the Gunship battle.You need to remove the effect and wait a little to be able to jump.

Комментарий от Lithdran

Umm..wowhead needs to fix the "This drops out of 10 man Heroic." It is 25 man and 25 man Heroic.

Комментарий от Veilside9999

While under the effects of this trinket you will become shapeshfted and unable to mount.30 Seconds is a long time to be unable to mount while soloing or in a PvP situation.

Use this macro to quickly cancel the trinket buffs and mount up.

Remove Amani War Bear and replace with your mounts of choice

Hunter/cancelaura Agility of the Vrykul /cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cast Amani War BearRogue/cancelaura Agility of the Vrykul /cancelaura Precision of the Iron Dwarves /cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cast Amani War Bear

Warrior/cancelaura Strength of the Vrykul /cancelaura Precision of the Iron Dwarves /cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cast Amani War Bear

Death Knight/cancelaura Strength of the Vrykul /cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cast Amani War Bear

Paladin/cancelaura Strength of the Vrykul /cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cast Amani War Bear

Комментарий от peeka

-If you play a female-If you have the title 'Matron'-If you have system messages on

Комментарий от Nandu

I'd love to see a mage/warlock/priest using this trinket just to know what proccs they get.

Комментарий от Hunterzrule

I got this trinket today and i can confirm that the three procs you get from this trinket for a hunter are:

Taunka = 1200Attack Power for 30 seconds.

Iron Dwarf = 600 Critical Strike rating for 30 seconds.

Vrykul = 600 Agility for 30 seconds.

Комментарий от Tonnks

So I see all this talk about 3 procs per class/spec but have yet to see the third on my warrior. I've used it in both tank and fury spec and have only seen the Taunka and Iron Dwarf. Is there a specific reason to this or am I just unlucky?

Комментарий от Meadros

As an Unholy Death Knight I was getting 600str/600crit/600Haste

Комментарий от Jahovenaught

I've had Arm Pen, Agi, and AP proc so far as an enhancement shaman, just got the trinket on 12/29/09. will provide more info as I see what procs occur.

Комментарий от neomasterc

105 icd, ~28% uptimeTIP OF THE DAY:do not use it on the gunship battle.makes u shapeshifted and unable to use rocket pack.Mutually exclusive with the heroic versions, meaning they stack and dont share ICDs. I dont know what you turn into tho

Комментарий от Rakunvar

I'm showing thru Procodile as a hunter, that taunka, Vyrkul are 105 sec cooldowns but Aim of the Iron dwarves is 325sec? kinda odd 2 would be so much lower? was 18 procs and other two had 19. Ill keep running tests and see...Any insight on this?

Комментарий от Joeness

it has a 30sec uptime, a 105 sec ICD is rediculously short for that kind of uptime, it allows you to pretty much make full use of your own cooldowns in sync with it as opposed to most other trinkets that grant mere 10sec buffs

Комментарий от rainsungone

With the exception of 1 or 2 classes including DK which gives haste instead of armor pen, this trinket does the following.

It's +600 to 1 of 3 stats for 30 seconds:

Armor PenetrationCritical Strike Rating*Agility**Strength*

*: Highest Stat is always chosen.

Picked one of these up last night on my fury warrior. It works wonders and is a must have for all physical DPS in my opinion.

1200 AP, go up to 65.60% crit, or 100% ArP along with the proc from Needle Encrusted Scorpion. MMM!

and to rakunvar, Ive had the proc occur twice Almost back to back. I didnt have to wait 325 seconds for multiple procs it occurs just a bit after the last proc has occured. Im not sure if it has to do with the fact that I hit many times in a short amount of time but I really dont seem to have a problem with long cooldowns on it. I would bet that the 105 second cooldown would be global for all 3 of the procs.

Комментарий от rozel

Confirmed for druid:

600 str, 600 agi, or 600 Ar pen.

The shapeshifts DO work while in cat or bear form, so for me, it looks like a Taunka or Vrykul or Iron dwarf is swinging a staff very quickly at the target.

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Комментарий от Zylos

After some testing on dummies the trinket proc was seemingly guaranteed exactly 1 minute and 20 seconds after the buff faded, give or take a couple seconds because of swing time. It was indeed 100% proc chance (or very close to it)

Комментарий от jjfoley

The word is that you cannot use a rocket pack in the gunship battle if this has proc'd. The game will complain that you can't use the rocket pack while shapeshifted. (Despite the popularity of the rocket bears.) Until (and if) they fix this, you have to manually click off the buff before using the rocket. Or, more likely, you get to stay behind and/or man the guns.

Комментарий от younglife

this trinket is so freakin OP for pvp wth... had a druid in wsg once that basically just ownd the FC everytime within 2nds cause it was procing every time he was opening. 600 agi + 11% ArP is insane.

Комментарий от sjihaat

Most importantly, when transformed into a vrykul, sometimes he has armor and sometimes he's shirtless. Perhaps that's why it adds 600 agility... shirts can get in the way.

Комментарий от Humanenemy

I have found a current bug with the trinket.

You can turn into a floating <Insert transformation here> in the Dalaran sewers.

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Комментарий от Elegantprose

So is this in addition to the stats shown or is the 155 arp disappearing for a Equip: 600 haste?

Комментарий от Drashktar

1/6/10

* Deathbringer’s Will trinket will now proc haste as a replacement for armor penetration.

posted from mmo-champion

Комментарий от Khlorine

These changes really kind of suck for fury warriors, I get way more DPS out of the STR/CRIT/ARP proc than I did haste. On the flip side 600 ARP was putting me at 100% with the amount or ARP I already have, I think I easily was over capped withn I got 600

Комментарий от galvin

Yeah ArP is great now but as you get more and more ICC gear you'll be capped so easily making the ArP proc suck. This is a very good change.

Комментарий от Ryuuza

WARNING - Using this on the Icecrown Gunship Battle while procced will lock you out from using the jet pack as long as you remain in proc form. I found this out the hard way after nearly getting killed by Saurfang. I know at least for the Iron Dwarf and Vry'kul form it locks you out from using it. Not sure about the Taunka one yet.

Комментарий от orderofmaken

Since the haste proc replaced the Arm Pen I;ve noticed that my Comet's Trail Trinket won't proc at the same time as when I get the haste buff, it'll always proc after the effect has worn off. Though it will proc when Agi or AP is up, dunno if that's occured for anyone else.

Комментарий от Valain

just to let you guys know that when i was doing the gunship battle with this trinket you cannot use the rocketpack as you are shapeshifter.

i found this out the hard way when on the skybreaker ship :D

not sure if it's an unexpected bug or something,

just be aware of it because you will have do remove the buff, mine were too small to click in my UI so ended up getting killed.

Комментарий от Anonymuzz

That's a shame. The haste proc gives the Vrykul form instead of the Gorloc form hinted at by one of the earlier commenters. It's kind of confusing, because Vrykul is also the Agility form.

Комментарий от Lilluvless

as of 1/6/2010 now proc's haste This is a buff for some classes namely the casters and maybe blood dk's even though that is still a fairly useless stat for dk like last on the list, I was not happy with that at all because haste lowers 2h crit damage and the armor pen made this godly for blood spec and good for other dk's, since replaced with haste this will now still take a backseat to other higher armor pen procing trinkets for blood dps dk's go blizz........

Комментарий от yanthir

'Warrior: Str, Crit, Haste'

VS

'As a warrior I found the trinket to proc:

600 Arp600 Str600 Crit'

What's right?

Комментарий от Lirithiel

@ Yanthir: When did you notice the ArP proc? Was it more than a week ago or was it in the last few days? As you should know by now (as was posted earlier in this thread) Blizz changed the proc from ArP to haste. Would be strange that you're still getting the ArP proc as it shouldn't really.

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Комментарий от Miryuki

I don't happen to have the trinket, but I observed it on a feral druid in my party. It seems to be able to proc 600 Agility, 600 Haste, or 600 Strength (Bear form). Changed from armor pen, but seems to be related to your class.

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Комментарий от FantyS

wtb a female version of this trinket :(it is just awful to see my female hunter grows a beard...

Комментарий от Nimchip

Trinket no long procs Armor Penetration kids and it applies to all specs and all classes that can use it.

Комментарий от ysj93

Just got this trink on the weekend and so far i am loving itthe procs are awesome but i love hearing "why do we have tauren in our group?" in random dungeons :P

Комментарий от Elephants

For Hunters I really wish they replaced that Crit buff for Haste. But other than that, this trinket $%^&ing rocks.

Комментарий от Tarlar

I got this on my druid last night. Apparently when you gain one of the procs it will change your fur color when the buff wears off (brown with dark brown mane if you're a tauren). This is canceled when you shape shift again.

Комментарий от Velren

could it be, that there was a stealth bugfix this morning?

when i did my jc daily yesterday, i tried to mount up with the iron dwarf proc of the trinket. didn't work.

Комментарий от Dwarfemale

"So Burnett it is correct, this trinket its amazing for all the pure physical DPS classes, like the Blood Death Knights, Warriors, Feral Druids, and Marksman Hunters. So in resume, physical DPS =/= melee DPS."

Wow, it was interesting to see the amount of uninformed posts like this on first page.

For some reason, Rogues were not mentioned, which is surprising, seeing as they are the ONLY "pure physical" dps class in the whole game. No real tanking talent tree, no healing talents, just three trees of melee DPS.

Комментарий от smurfzilla

Proc Seems to be based on spec, not class. (at least for DK)

DK:Blood: Str, Crit, ArPFrost: Str, Crit, ArPUnholy: Str, Crit, Haste

Комментарий от Demonsummor

"So Burnett it is correct, this trinket its amazing for all the pure physical DPS classes, like the Blood Death Knights, Warriors, Feral Druids, and Marksman Hunters. So in resume, physical DPS =/= melee DPS."

Wow, it was interesting to see the amount of uninformed posts like this on first page.

For some reason, Rogues were not mentioned, which is surprising, seeing as they are the ONLY "pure physical" dps class in the whole game. No real tanking talent tree, no healing talents, just three trees of melee DPS.

Sorry, but are you stupid?

Rogues do a lot of magic dmg by poison, how much depends on spec.

Only "pure" physical dps classes/specs are warrior and feral druid. (Note physical, bleeds are physical even if it ignores armor.)

And what does the other talent trees have to do with it? Rogues might have 3 melee specs, but that only makes em only pure melee dps.

This is an amazing trinket for Combat rogues, it is good for Mutilate, but there is better, and not sure if any still play Subtlety.

So I would say, unless you are a Feral druid (dps), Markmanship Hunter, Combat rogue, Warrior (dps) or Blood Death Knight, you should pass this for others, since being selfish in a raiding guild won't get you anywhere.

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Комментарий от darkslash

make this post green.

Комментарий от thelittlevoices

Until such a time that blizzard fixes that bug that will allow you to use the rocket pack on gunship while transformed from this trinkets proc, it would be wise to make macros to cancel the buff so you arent struggling to find it in your buff list.

here is an example of the macro for a rogue:

/cancelaura Agility of the Vrykul/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/use Goblin Rocket Pack

and for a warrior:

/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/use Goblin Rocket Pack

if you arent one of these two classes, you will of course have to change the buff names depending on what buffs the trinket grants you.

you can also make macros for mounts to canceling the aura so you dont have to manually do it:

#showtooltip Rusted Proto-Drake/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/use Rusted Proto-Drake

#showtooltip Swift Warstrider/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/use Swift Warstrider

just change the mount names to the mounts you wish to use.

Комментарий от Alesar10

This trinket is just as good for paladins as it is for a warrior or rogue etc,ppl say armor penetration is a waste for paladins, but thats a lie, armor penetration is epic and id say its better than haste for paladins, because that is my experience with my own paladin.I have tried to stack both and I found that armor penetration gives me the highest dps.

Комментарий от Sarkasmos

In case anyone was wondering, on a Discipline priest it can proc crit.

I haven't gotten a chance to test the other two procs, we'll have to wait for another one to drop that i can equip for a few minutes before trading to somebody.

Комментарий от detardationx

I have recently got this trinket as an SV hunter. And it's freaking insane all these people going.. yes there are three different procs that go off but very rarely is one of them not buffing me. I would say on average I got about 5 seconds w/o being buffed by it. Plus I use this w/ Death's Choice. When everything is procced(either the agi or crit buff and DC) My ES is hardcapped(w/o DR, not too sure about them). LOL as in ES and Kill shot for that matter are at 100% crit or more. Which is nutz if u ask me. But I love it. My ES now crits about 87% of time. Plus if I switch out for Needle-Encrusted Scorpion(in tank and spanks it does put out higher dps than DC, because of the 100+crit on it) I can be crit capped and almost ArPen capped at the same time. Btw... I pull a bout 9.5k on Koralon w/ that setup. And 9.2k w/ DC/DBW. But using DC/DBW requires a little different approach when blowing buffing cd's. Which I think I have worked out... so next week could be better. We'll see ;)

Комментарий от monopoman

Who cares what it procs on a caster class talk about irrelevant info.

This trinket is one of the worst trinkets in the game for any caster.

I could find blue trinkets that help a Disc Priest more then this thing.

Комментарий от evgen4

Deathbringer's will makes female characters to appear male...

Комментарий от agentkill29

Just got this literally 10mins ago. A huntard I mean hunter rolled a 99 for this. But with the mighty Saurfang by my side and some additional show of bizarre mercy, I rolled a hundred. - Happy Rogue

Комментарий от datar

why did they made Arpen proc for a dk into haste and not ap or something else.

These are the buffs that i get as a death knight, sorry for bad spelling btw.

Resilient, Stormscale-eu.

Комментарий от vanquished14

Was hoping this would be fixed but...

As of 3.3.3:

"Deathbringer's Will: Players can no longer mount with any of the shapeshifts from this item active."

--Referring to the fact you could mount as a Taunka but not an Iron Dwarf or Vykrul. I'm not sure what this means for the Goblin Rocket Packs but for mounts make sure you have cancelaura for the Taunka form macroed into your mounts now.

Комментарий от Gromkar

Just want to share my misery with you.

Although the statistics say that this item has the highest drop chance of all the epics to drop, I have only seen it drop once in those soon 4 moths of Deathbringer killings. I'm doing it every week with my guild, and it is allways the cloak that drops!

Poor me and all of the other melee in my guild that want this trinket :(

Now you can either laugh at me or show some compassion, your choice.

Комментарий от Zomppa

Hehe.... Just got this for my rogue and dps raised like 10x. Awesome trinket for both PvP and PvE. Have seen only drop once before and got it now on second time. Im lucky bastard must say. GL for others to get this!

Edit: Few typofixes

Комментарий от InorganicMatter

I don't know when this changed, but I'm playing a Feral druid, and I just noticed that it's now giving me +600 agility instead of +600 strength. Very happy kitty here!

NOTE! Every character has its own personal stats and that is why you can't look at this list as it would be always in this specific order.

Комментарий от Palle7

Hey guys :) Can anyone tell me how much this would be worth if you could buy it on auction house? ;b

Комментарий от Soji

I'm lead to belive by a Enhance Shaman friend of mine that this trinket (whilst good) is better for all other classes.

Комментарий от Soji

I wish blizzard would fix this proc so you can mount on both types of mounts (land and flying) whilst the proc is active. It's extremely annoying to have to click this off in PvP when you're chasing someone or whilst questing.

Pre 3.3.3 you could mount both on land/air mounts whilst Taunka form had procced. Now its only possible to mount air mounts. Attempting to land mount whilst a Taunka post 3.3.3 displays the error message "you cannot do that whilst shapeshifted".

Both other procs (Vrykul and Iron Dwarf) do not allow you to mount at all.

My arguement - Why not? Vrykul mount flying mounts in UP UK. Dwarfs, obviously, mount both types of mounts on the Alliance side and the graphic is going to be the same as it uses the Dwarf animations.

Комментарий от RVCA

I'm a Feral Kitty, and I have this trinket, forgive me for being a bit too lazy to read all the comments posted, if this was mentioned. But I have yet to see the Crit proc, just Agility, Strength, and Haste. Was the crit proc removed? Or am I just unlucky, or not watching the proc when i get it sometimes? Someone, please enlighten me. ^.^

Комментарий от Tofutti

Just for kicks, be sure to /dance while in Taunka form.. The Peanut Butter Jelly Time song began playing in my head.Also, /lol is the only vocal emote I've noticed for this form.

Currently, the Vrykul has no dance emote, or really any others. The Iron Dwarf form is nothing new.

Комментарий от boonbocks

One thing I saw idk if you guys said anything about is on the Blood Queen when you have to bite your target, if your shape shifted it wont take the bite, I have to cancel it to get the bite off. Might have been bad luck but not willing to take the chance again. If you know other please let me know, be nice not to lose the up time left on it if I dont have to.

edit: figured this should be mentioned sooner seeing as i had to read through a bunch on non-sense till i found this

Комментарий от Blah337

Never knew priests did melee damage... Do you have a melee hunter too? :P

Комментарий от amoncaco

hmm guys, for some reason the proc makes me lose my OH weapon(I'm a frost DK) does anyone else have this problem as well?

Комментарий от farticus33

Is there any reason a feral tank would want this trinket?

Комментарий от brotos

-.- this is one of those trinkets where you farm for months and everyones alt has it...

Комментарий от Latias714

This trinket is quite annoying while trying to farm low level cooking meat or drops.

You cannot mount while shapeshifted...

Комментарий от daltonj

Just as a fun note. Let a warlock equip this to see if it would proc and it WILL proc for warlocks. He got the +600 haste buff.

(then he gave it to the hunter who'd won)

Комментарий от Arlond345

It would be cool for caster version of this in outland, just think of the procs"Intellect of the ethereal" "Spellpower of the Arakkoa" "Broken's spirit"

Комментарий от Emp100K

What buffs are pssible to get if a mage lock or preist meles a mob while wearing this? (just for yuks)

Комментарий от theorcmaster

Noone has noted this yet but this is the closest ive ever seen to a tauren rogue.The tanuka proc+arogue=Tanuka rogue,and taurens are cousins of tanukas.The invasion of the world by tauren rogues has come.We are all doomed.

Комментарий от Naith

Rogues poisons are considered nature damage.

Ergo: Not a pure physical damage class.

Well, poisons do scale with attack power so it's not so relevant :>

Комментарий от Firedwarf

Exacly 100 secs cooldown on this trinket when it has procced and 70 secs cooldown from when your form has run out.

Комментарий от koimagheul

Arp was gross for enh shamans, but they CHANGED IT TO HASTE! Now this trinket went from ok to amazing for enh shamans, and I am guessing ret pallies too. Yes!

it's not amazing for enh. never was. never will be. for two reasons. - it's still an arp trinket and arp still is a moot stat for enh. - icc geared enh shammies have to deal with melee crit cap. the crit coming from the agi proc will most likely end up wasted, making one of the three procs quite meh for enh...

it's still a more than ok trinket, but by no mean an enh should get this above most other mele classes/spec.

Комментарий от Sayvian

All must bow before the greatness of the Deathbringer's Will

Комментарий от kekslul

I cant wait to get it for my Warlock! Cuz 600haste and 600crit for 30secs is OPand i will also be a TAUREN LOCK! PEWPEWPEWPEWLAZORZ

jks =P

Комментарий от grimmjw

I've done this boss a total of 15 times.

I still haven't seen it even drop :(

I think i'm making progress into mathematical impossibility. Anyone can tell me the math on this? 15 times with a drop rate of 20% without dropping...

0.03518 Chance?

Damn.

Комментарий от Leviatharan

It may be worth noting that, although it doesn't apply to other forms due to the 'Shapeshifted' nature of them, you can still mount up with Strength of the Taunka active. Now Blood Elves can crush their tiny chicken mounts just like Tauren!

EDIT: Okay, so this only seems to apply for flying mounts. So no chicken crushing, unless you happen to be riding a gryphon.

Комментарий от ahhnevermind

Am I the only one only getting two buffs, one at a time? I'm a feral druid and get either Taunka (strength) or haste (Vrykul). I have never gotten a third transformation.

BTW - base Str is higher than base Agi for ferals, so if they made it only proc one of two buffs, itd be strength over agility.

Edit: I just saw "Daverob" on page 2 said he would get two buffs for the same form, I'll double check and see if by chance I've just been checking the tooltip when it is Strength.

Комментарий от bgwilly31

Just to rub it in.

Ive killed saurfang 3x i saw it drop the last time and out of 10 people that rolled i won the roll:)

I had a DK crying in raid chat screaming obsanities at me. Then was whispering me money offers.

Комментарий от bluewyvern

For anybody interested, I did the numbers on the physical DPS trinket which drops from Halion in ruby sanctum, and here are the comparison results. Note that because the associated buffs have different durations and ICD's, it is still quite dependant on individual rotation, gear, and the nature of the encounter and how your group is handling it. This comparison assumes that as long as the uptime is consistent, synergy will not come into account.

Also note that I have not factored in the base stat on the two trinkets because it is ArP in both cases, and the twilight scale has slightly more. This comparison was done for a fury warrior with BoK. I am also assuming the most beneficial proc on deathbringer's will which will be strength in almost all cases.

So on this front, Deathbringer's Will wins. However, Deathbringer's Will procs haste 1/3 of the time, which is less valuable than either strength or crit (which has a fairly similar value to strength until the crit cap), and exactly how valuable is dependant on the rest of your gear.

In conclusion I would say that for DPS classes with higher level gear, Deathbringer's Will is still superior to the new trinket, due to the crit and haste procs. However, if you are using lower level gear such that haste and crit have lower values compared to AP, then the Twilight Scale is superior. Either way, for a BiS geared warrior, getting both trinkets is the way to go.

Комментарий от toeledo122

this is sick for a DK

Комментарий от Caje

As for the warrior part of this trinket, I'm going to clear something up as I have not seen a single correct statement about the buffs a warrior can obtain from the trinket.

Currently testing on a target dummy I have seen 3 buffs:

These are for the non heroic trinketStrength of the Taunka:Grants 600 Strength for 30 seconds by the form of a Taunka.

Speed of the Vrykul:Grants 600 haste rating for 30 seconds by the form of a Vrykul.

Aim of the Iron Dwarves:Granted 600 critical strike rating for 30 seconds by the form of the Iron Dwarves.

Комментарий от Hoyman

Only Hunters should be rolling on this bad boy.

Комментарий от babbabooey

I'm sure others have posed this question, but what is it with itemization in this game?

What I mean is, DBW is an item that maybe 12 people out of 25 will roll on if/when it drops. I understand blizz wanted us to farm ICC for a long time because they didn't intend to add significant new content between ICC's rollout and the next expansion pack, but seriously - give people a CHANCE to get this item!

I've lost out on this item 10-12 times, most recently Friday night to a 4800 gs DK. The fact that the guild hosting the run is so naked greedy that the guild leader's 5th alt gets to roll on this while being carried through ICC is a story sob story for another day.

Aside from the number of people rolling on this item, it is a fact that melee WITH this item are on a different tier than melee WITHOUT this item.

There are numerous ways as a DPS warrior that I can hit the armor cap without this item, I understand that. However, running the landsoul's spreadsheet, any combinations of gear I make, using both items I already possess and sometimes wishlist items, my dps metric is 4-5% higher WITH DBW than without it. Some people out there may be running landsoul's and seeing even more of a gain than that.

Making any one item in the game - that is just a drop after all - so powerful is just silly. I can understand an item like Shadowmourne being so overpowered, as it requires a guild cooperative effort to create, but to have a simple boss drop so OP and justifiably REQUIRED by half your raid members (4800gs DK excluded) makes the game a lot less fun than it could be.

I'd rather have DBW be three or four different trinkets, rather than 3-4 trinkets in one. (different procs for different classes) That way I'd only have seen the warrior version 3-4 times and lost instead of 10-12 times and lost.

If you don't believe this trinket is a huge difference maker for the fury warrior, just keep in mind I was #1 in dps on this run (I have 5900 gs) - but #2 but extremely close on my heals - and far ahead of the rest of the raid - was a 5500-5600 fury warrior who had Deathbringer's Will.

I hope that a pre-cataclysm patch reduces DBW to a novelty item.

I've played wow a long time and I know a lot of people will say "cry more noob" but I'm used to being disappointed for a while before I get a piece of gear that I'm craving. I just think forcing us to farm ICC for a year before cataclysm comes out by making such long odds of getting the most powerful boss drops in the game is LAZY - why not just make more content, perhaps with drops that are sidegrades over these items?

Комментарий от Charlie109

I realy think that blizz should make a simular trinket for casters, cause its a bit unfair that melee/hunters can get a trinket this good while casters are stuck with less quality trinks compared to this.

No caster trinket can come close to these stats. And on top of that it drops from the 4th boss in ICC 25, where most pug groups start to get disbanded as not very many puggers know tact`s up to more then the first 4 bosses.

Deathbringer`s Will is highly overpowered compared to the other trinkets in game, thats why everybody wants it ;)

Комментарий от NightmareMJ

Why isn't there a caster equivalent of these wonderful procs(complete with shape change etc)? Plenty of Northrend Caster Races as well(in fact some of these procs could work very well for casters.)

Комментарий от Andrasa

A little fun thing you can do with the trinket, if you happen to be a female character. Go into any CoT instance where you gain the Human illusion buff, (Old hillsbrad, Old Stratholme) and wait for it to proc. The proc turns you male and when it falls off, you revert to using a male human illusion, and not a female one. Nice for those who dislike how their character looks as a human, as my Tauren looks downright ugly as a human imo.

Комментарий от Monowobbles

You can't use rocket pack on gunship while transformed.

You can't mount while transformed.

As a rogue, this can proc when you use Sap.

When procced as a rogue, I had one out of three:HasteAttack PowerAgility

Комментарий от Weepngdagger

My main question to the procs is. Does it choose your 'highest' stat? or is it completely random. Because i seem to be getting Power of the Taunka and Agility of the Vyrkul the most. i rarely see speed of the Vyrkul.

Комментарий от Torsion

When you try to mount under the effect of this trinket it will say you can't while shapeshifted. However i discovered that when you are Taunka and you get on a flying mount it will allow you too, however not ground mounts. Just thought you might want to know.

Комментарий от ez100

This trinket is horrible for enhancement shaman, if you roll on this you are terrabad..... lokez.

Комментарий от Breotan

This has been going for over 15,000g on GDKP runs lately.

Комментарий от Alcoholic

I sure would love this trinket for my DK, I've got 8 DB Saurfang kills and still haven't seen this trinket drop. I wouldn't mind if this amazing trinket drops tomorrow after the maintenance :)

Комментарий от Kalx

On Cataclysm, the +155 ArP becomes +155 Crit rating

Комментарий от CcAgan

Because you can not mount while shape shifted, I worked out this macro for some guildies. It's designed to cancel the possible buffs and then mount a pre-selected ground or flying mount depending on your location.

/cancelaura Agility/Speed of the Vrykul/cancelaura Power/Strength of the Taunka/cancelaura Aim/Precision of the Iron Dwarves/cast groundmount; flyingmount/dismount

Obviously you need to pick the correct aura to cancel and enter in the names of your ground and flying mount that you wish to use. If your mount names are too long, then end the macro with this:

/cast flyingmount/dismount

One known bug, the zone Wintergrasp is considered flyable even if a battle is in progress. Don't think I can fix that.

Комментарий от Zerstorung

So does this stack with Death's Choice?

Комментарий от Zerstorung

So does this stack with Death's Choice?

Комментарий от Killadelphia

Hunter uses Chimera Shot, which doesn't count as poison damage, but mot of it comes from Serpent Sting, buuuut...MultiShot hits for Arcane damage from what i've heard.Arcane shot - do i have to say anything?Steady Shot - Physical.Explosive Shot - FireBlack Arrow - Shadow damage i believe.Give us back ArP!

This isn't all true. Chimera Shot works much like a Death Knight's Scourge Strike, it does 2 parts of damage, half magic (nature from the Serpent Sting's effect) and then 125% weapon damage, being the physical damage. Edit: (forgot that Chimera is 100% nature damage, too used to my dk) Also, Multi- Shot and Aimed shot are both Physical. And Arcane Shot shouldn't even be used in the MM or Survival rotation due to the Improved Steady Shot talent/ Piercing Shots and for Survival, it shares a CD with Explosive Shot. Another ability you didn't mention is Silencing Shot, which deals 50% weapon damage, Physical damage (usually used in a macro with another move due to it being off the global cooldown).

Комментарий от Tooy

Комментарий от MakaB

The most ninja'd item in WoW.

Комментарий от obiwaynekenobi

So is this thing actually a decent upgrade for a Retpally who doesn't have Death's Choice, DMC:G or Abom? I'm guessing it's kind of like the NES - it's not a really good trinket for a Retpally, and you should pass it along to someone who needs it whenever possible, but if nobody else needs it it's a good upgrade for you to get.

Комментарий от Dedaliadon

My Enhancement Shaman has this Trinket and currently procs:

600 Haste

600 Agility

1200 Attack Power

(please respond with ur class and what procs u get plz ^^)

Комментарий от Bluntforce

Click off the buff. You can't mount while 'transformed' either.

Комментарий от dotice

Lost it to a ret paladin as a mut rogue. :D

Комментарий от bloodsucker91

someone needs to learn their class o.O

Комментарий от bloodsucker91

lol imagine 2 rogues have seen eachother in a bg and they sap eachother: 2sapped tauren rogues...=D

Комментарий от Kromgar

I rolled a 63 and won then the pally rolled a 99... it was a joke roll :D

Комментарий от Arslayer

Hunter DK Pally (Just no Mr. Retadin) Warrior Roag Cat Priest Trinket

Комментарий от LordQuietus

Won this tonight in a ICC25 Pug I was leading on my DK.. it was a crowning moment of awesome for me as I rolled a 100 to beat half a dozen others for it. This will still be a nice item to have post-Cataclysm to show off.. here's a glimpse into the future:

"Have you ever seen someone turn into a Vrykul? I had to raid uphill in the snow for this trinket before WoW was even a twinkle in your eye, sonny."

Комментарий от Arreador

Is this not showing on proculas? Sorry if it had been asked before.

Комментарий от Fatgai

Just thought I'd point out, for anyone curious, if under the effects of Savory Deviate Delight the buff from this trinket will not overwrite the buff from Deviate Delights. You will transform into whatever form you randomly get, then when it wears off you will turn back into a pirate or ninja.

I was bummed out because I thought I'd lose my pirate costume after killing something while fishing. After my Vrykul buff dropped, I turned back into a pirate.

Комментарий от Assmaster

No matter what the consequences are,this is still the BEST trinket ingame for any pure melee dps class.Ret paladins,Non blood dks,mutilate rogues and enh shammies are a bit screwed because in my opinion this should be a legendary item.

Комментарий от zeni7h

# 1 in "Most ninjaed item in wow"

Комментарий от itztone29

I don't know if this has been mentioned but i have been able to mount a flying mount while shaped as the tauren looking thing. I couldnt mount a ground mount and was unable to mount anything as the iron dwarf. I havent tried a flying mount while a valkry yet but will try it when the servers are back up.

EDIT: Ive tested it, The only way to mount anything while shapeshifted with this trinket is to be a tauren and mount a flying mount.

Комментарий от Interest

The Armor Pen is converted to Critical Strike Rating in Cataclysm.

Комментарий от Neptuno

I borrowed one on my priest during the 2 hour trade window... it didn't proc on about 5 minutes worth of trash before i gave it back to the guy.

Комментарий от Incineration

Hmm, when using this trinket on my warrior, it seems to proc mostly Haste of the Vrykul.

It's pretty much this;

Around 30% Taunka strenght, around 60% Vrykul speed and around 50% Iron dwarf crit.Anyone know's the proc-rates on the different forms?

Комментарий от Baalah

To all the haters saying this is bad for ret pallies, if you can't get anything better (i can only do pugs) this increased my single target dps by ~800 just from the almost 100% uptime 1.2k AP proc.

Plus in cata all ArP will be changed to crit, the classes that currently have this BiS will be swapped with the ones who aren't.

Комментарий от disinformatique

So where is this Flatland Prowler who allegedly sells all the trinkets from ICC LOL

Комментарий от Looseminded

Anyone know what the forms for patch 4.0.1 are going to be for Hunters since we're losing ArPen? Are they going to stay the same as they currently are or change?

Комментарий от Dahliane

The 3 Procs I have gotten on my rogue are

1) 1200 AP2) 600 agil3)600 haste

Комментарий от Minninnewah

Good news, Enhancement Shaman. No more ArP. Gives a good amount of crit, so you may have to watch that. (I reforged mine for Mastery, so it's good.) Really not reasons to not to nab this.

(Also: Blizzard has said that crit will be nerfed hard.)

Комментарий от blue6

Man since patch imo this trinket is Hella Op for Pally's. the 600 crit is well 600 crit, the 600 strength is amazing, and zomg the 600 haste just makes my pants get tighter every time i mention it. 600 haste drops my crusader strike from 3.66 to 3.15 which is amazing especially since it lasts for 30 secs and only has a 40-45 sec internal cool down, and the fact you can reforge that crit to haste or w/e you like is even crazier. I know in a month or so the trinket will become insignificant but for now i would say this trinket is a very good competitor for BiS for paladins.

Комментарий от Dugath

Got to test this on my Warlock tonight after killing Saurfang, used it on all the trash up to Fester and Rotface. I got 3 procs, all of them the same Speed of the Vrykul +600 haste proc. I wanted to keep testing, but didn't want to push it, so I gave it back to the hunter who won it.

But I would say if a caster is in a run where no one needs it, talk them into giving it to you for testing. I would like to see if it procs any of the melee procs.

Комментарий от exogeologist

I'm a mage, and just tried this new version of the trinket myself. I was hoping that it would proc off of any attack (including spells), and then limit the buff to haste/crit.

So, I spent a good 5 minutes casting on ICC trash, both single-target and AOE, and got zero procs. I then ran up and melee'd Precious, and proc'd the Taunka/strength bonus almost immediately.

I then continued casting (as Taunka; awesome), but got no repeat procs until I started meleeing again, at which point I again got the Taunka/strength bonus.

So I think it's fair to conclude that spells won't proc it. :( And even if they did, it doesn't seem to care that I don't value strength. So sad. :(

Комментарий от Teebee2010

As a retribution paladin, this lil' one looks a whole lot more interesting to me after they replaced armor penetration with critical strike rating.

Комментарий от Teebee2010

I had built up a large antipathy towards this trinket, for it dropping every week, and me - as a retribution paladin - not really being able to use it due to the armor penetration. This week it dropped again, and I found myself reevaluating it: "Hold on, this might actually be of use now!".

Комментарий от goneguy

FUN FACT! If u take off your weapon when you get the Valkyr (600 haste proc) instead of hitting people with your fists you kick everyone instead....I thought this was hilarious soloing lowbies with flying ninja kicks xD

Комментарий от Talix

This is a mount macro I use to disable my Aura and then casts my mount. It will try to cast flying first, if unavailable, it will go to your land mount. It will also dismount you after mounted when clicked. Use cautiously at deadly heights.

/cancelaura Speed of the Vrykul/cancelaura Agility of the Vrykul/cancelaura Power of the Taunka/cancelaura Strength of the Taunka/cancelaura Aim of the Iron Dwarves/cancelaura Precision of the Iron Dwarves/cast Red Proto-Drake/cast Black War Bear/dismount {mounted]