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Because Bebo Norman is my most-loved singer/songwriter, I’m sharing this article again. It was one of my favorite interviews I’ve ever done. Bebo is gracious, humble, and he uses music and word to cut to my heart. I’m sad he’s retired. By the way, don’t bother with any of the links because they’re all dead. Who wants to start a GoFundMe to buy BeboNorman.com with me?

It was with great anxiety and distress I awaited Bebo Norman’s scheduled phone call the morning after Labor Day. Normally, I’m not like this, but then again, it’s not every day that I get to interview one of the singer/songwriters who has been so influential in my life. The phone rang and I said a silent prayer, “Hello?”

“Hi, Amy. It’s Bebo Norman.” Suddenly, everything was OK. Disarming me with his quiet charm and easy-going nature, Bebo Norman is by all accounts a gentleman—one of the many reasons the man and his music have become so dear to me since I picked up his first album in 1996 as a mere teenager.

In this, my second interview with Bebo Norman, I decided to let you into our candid, and often, amusing conversation as we talk about our battles with anxiety, Bebo’s life, and of course, his new album, Ocean, releasing on BEC Recordings on September 28.

Amy: So, in celebration of your new album, do you have a favorite ocean? I mean, there are seven of them.

Bebo: Ah. I’ve spent a lot of time in the Atlantic or the Pacific, but I haven’t spent time in the other oceans. So I’ve have to go with those. How ‘bout you? Do you have a favorite ocean?

Amy: Probably the Atlantic or the Pacific. I mean, my best friend fell into the Pacific Ocean off a small boat, so I’d have to go with that. It’s hard to say, it’s like trying to pick a favorite star.

Bebo: I understand. I’ve never tried to pick a favorite star, but there are so many to choose from.

We chat a bit about sea creatures, including the beauty of humpback whales. I also learn that Bebo’s been on several cruises to Alaska and that Matthew West lives three blocks away. I tell him that Matthew West’s new album is really great and he says that he hasn’t heard it.

Bebo: I tend to not be up to date on music. Isn’t that ridiculous?

Amy: That’s hilarious! I love that!

Bebo: I have to kind of disappear from music sometimes just to keep my head straight because it’s what I do, it’s my job, and it’s what I love. I have to have some space.

Amy: Sometimes I get all these new releases and I’m like, “This is all crap and I hate it!” So I have to pop in something good and solid like Bebo Norman or Rich Mullins so I can remember what good music sounds like.

Bebo: I think that’s part of my problem. I’ve always listened to music because it inspires me and what’s frustrating is that sometimes you listen to music and none of it inspires you, you start to think that no music will inspire you

Amy: I know! It’s scary because I think, “What if people think my writing is this bad?”

Bebo: That’s part of the insecurity of being a creative person. Every single songwriter writer, musician, journalist, I know has that same fear or thought.

Amy: Speaking of writing, you said that writing an album is like an extended therapy session. I’ve been in therapy sessions and they’re very painful sometimes. So, what is it like for you?

Bebo: It’s very painful, very painful, and it’s very beautiful. It’s a cathartic process, which is the beauty of writing. I didn’t start as a songwriter because I had any intention of playing songs for anybody. When I started writing songs, it was just an extension of me trying to process life. I found that, for me, whether it was poetry or songs it was the best way I could process things.

I wrote short stories and poetry before I started writing songs, but the combination of music and words is a pretty powerful and sort of inspiring thing. That’s what caught me the most about songwriting. I could write a poem or I could hear a piece of music and both of those things would be beautiful, but when they’re together there’s something magical and powerful that happens.

In ways, it’s the only way I really know how to process life. It forces me to sit down and be quiet, and still and reflective and internal. The busyness of life, especially these days, with touring and my family, my wife and kids, and my community here in Nashville—sitting down and being quiet—it’s hard to find those days.

Not to mention, if you do struggle with anxiety or those things when you get down and depressed, even when you do have those days where you can sit down and be quiet those struggles can sometimes steal the life out of those moments. Writing songs is a very grounding thing for me. That’s the same way therapy is—you’re forced to sit down with your thoughts and expose things that might not otherwise get exposed.

Amy: Some of the things I would talk about in therapy, I would not like to release to the world. You said that an album is the best 60 minutes out of two years of your life, but still, sometimes it’s painful to hear.

Bebo: I’ve always struggled with laying out things that are personal and intimate. Now that I’ve got a wife and two boys, there’s a certain level of caution to where I have to consider how what I put out there affects the people around me.

To me, everything I experience is fair game for a song. I used to really struggle with the fear of laying those things out there. Maybe I’m just old enough at this point or I’ve just been doing it long enough that now I’m not consumed with the perception might be wrong or right. It’s more a matter of this is where I am and this is what I’m struggling with and I’m certain there are other people that are dealing with similar things, if not the same thing, and it’s important for these things to be spoken. As believers, we think we’re not spiritual enough if we struggle with certain things.

Amy: Thank you for sharing that. There are a lot of songs I want to talk about, but we don’t have time. Let’s just plunge right into your favorite song, “The Middle,” which is also my favorite song. I was listening to it last night and I was crying because I was feeling like that song is my life right now. I’m not married, I don’t have kids, and I feel like my life is this middle of not where I was and not there yet. Or maybe our lives here on planet earth are the middle. I don’t know.

Bebo: I think you tapped into something there. There’s a reality that our lives in their current state are the middle. We’re never fully home and our faith is never fully realized until the day Jesus calls us home or comes back.

Here’s the thing, when I say “the middle,” it may not mean the middle of life. It happened to me when I was in college, and again in my 20’s, and again in my 30’s. As static as they may feel at times, our lives are always in transition. I revel in the idea of transition; the real struggle for me is when I’m stuck in between transition. That’s where this song comes from, like, “Where am I right now in the middle of these things? I don’t feel like I’m moving.” Like you mentioned a minute ago, you feel stuck and you’re in this place where you’re not quite sure where things are going and where they’ve been.

It’s not a song about being middle-aged. I feel like we’re always in the state of being in the middle. When we’re on this earth, we’re always in the middle and we’re always going to be stuck between our flesh and our spirit here.

Amy: You had this goal that you were going to write one blog post a day…what happened?

Bebo: It was way too ambitious a goal, and I knew that! But those are the only kind of goals I know how to set—one that’s too ambitious

Amy: I told you that in your comments section, not that you listened.

Bebo: I even said in the first blog post that I will mostly likely fail at this and what I mean is that, I will fail at this. But I really did want to go for it. I have a dear friend who wrote a new song every day for one year of his life. He said that 90% of the songs weren’t that special, but it taught him what the day had brought him. That’s kind of what I was hoping for with the whole blog thing. I can’t just write a blog and say, “I took the kids to school and I slept late.” There has to be some thought in it. The reality of the busyness of life at this point; it just wasn’t even possible. I could have sat down and written it, but it would have been at the expense of the people I love.

Amy: Well, that would have been utterly ridiculous!

Bebo: But it was a lesson learned. That would be a good entry in and of itself—to talk about how it started taking it away from the people in front of me to appease a group of people I don’t even know, which is the real danger of social networking. That’s why I failed miserably at it. Well, that sounds too noble. Actually there were too many days I didn’t feel about it.

I give Bebo some expert blogging advice, which he recognized from his comments section. I tell him that he ignored my comments because I’m a “girl.” Then we talk about how guys always think girls want to hit on them. I tell him that his recent blog, “Idols of Misdirection” was excellent and seemed to go with one of the songs on his new album called “Could You Ever Look at Me.” Bebo keeps talking, even though I’m keenly aware that he is going to be five minutes late calling his next interviewer.

Amy: One last question—how can we be praying for Bebo Norman?

Bebo: A lot of what I was writing about in that blog post (“Idols of Misdirection”) is probably what I would ask people to pray for me right now, and that is being thankful for the source of the good things in my life. I’m in a season of struggling with that. There’s a certain level of distance I feel right now from God, which is odd because I talk about my faith a lot. It’s not that I doubt the truth of the Gospel because I see it fulfilled as truth every single day. I feel like it’s robbing me of the beauty of every day.

To catch up with Bebo Norman, visit him online at BeboNorman.com, follow him on Twitter (@bebonorman), and read his blog, which he updates sometimes.

I’ve been listening to a lot of Bebo Norman lately. Even though I have piles of new (and wonderful) music to digest, review, and prep for interviews, I continue to listen to my old stand-by Bebo Norman. When I don’t know what else to do and everything seems all mixed-up in my heart and mind, Bebo’s music is like salve for my wounded spirit. Something about his music—the chords, the melody, the lyrics—bring peace in madness. Lately, Between the Dreaming and the Coming True has been a companion in the melancholy.

The first track, “Into the Day” has been particularly inspiring—sometimes bringing tears and other times giving me the strength to make it through the day (or at least brush my teeth.) This lyric is particularly striking: “The ache of life is more than you are able. Hold on, love, don’t give up. Don’t close your eyes. The light is breaking through the night.”

If you’ve been reading Backseat Writer for a while, you know that Bebo Norman is my favorite musician in the whole wide world! That’s a pretty important title when you consider the sheer amount of music I enjoy! The first time I interviewed Bebo Norman by phone I was trembling and sweaty. The phone rang and I could barely answer it. It was Bebo. I was terrified.

Normally, I handle interviews with a little more flair than that. But this was Bebo Norman—someone whose music has been vastly important in my life. Knowing that Bebo also suffers from anxiety disorder, I knew I could confide in him. The result was a beautiful, encouraging conversation. No longer were we journalist and musician, but two people talking about our experiences living with the horrors of anxiety. That interview not only produced a wonderful article (read “Bebo Norman: From the Ruins”), but has helped me tremendously in my own walk as a woman living with mental illness.

The next time I interviewed Bebo I told him what that first interview meant to me. We talked about his latest album (which happens to be his latest album,Ocean. You can read that interview, too.) and again, Bebo encouraged me. He was present in the interview (some artists zone out, go off on tangents, or give pat answers) and it felt like a real conversation. I appreciate that about Bebo.

We’re not friends—Bebo and me. Sometimes I say things to him or about him on Twitter, and every once in a while he responds. I doubt he would know me or my name without a bit of coaching, not because he’s a jerk; it’s just the nature of being a well-known musician who is interviewed by a lot of people. However, when I do jog his memory, he knows exactly who I am.

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if Bebo Norman knows my name or remembers my story. What matters is that his music leads me to God, when I can’t find my way in the darkness of life. It matters that during our interactions, he is been kind, gracious, and humble (I think he’s an introvert by nature). It matters that Bebo Norman has shown himself to be a man of God, through his actions and through his music. It matters that Bebo’s songs are personal, transparent, and lovely.

Most of all, it matters that when I am struggling with the ache of life, when it seems more than I am able, I can listen to Bebo Norman’s music over and over again. And somehow in the mix of words and melody, I find God and I find peace.

Is there a musician or band that helps you find God when you feel alone? Have you had the chance to meet or personally thank the artist? What did you say? (Or what would you say if you had the chance?)

It was with great anxiety and distress I awaited Bebo Norman’s scheduled phone call the morning after Labor Day. Normally, I’m not like this, but then again, it’s not every day that I get to interview one of the singer/songwriters who has been so influential in my life. The phone rang and I said a silent prayer, “Hello?”

“Hi, Amy. It’s Bebo Norman.” Suddenly, everything was OK. Disarming me with his quiet charm and easy-going nature, Bebo Norman is by all accounts a gentleman—one of the many reasons the man and his music have become so dear to me since I picked up his first album in 1996 as a mere teenager.

In this, my second interview with Bebo Norman, I decided to let you into our candid, and often, amusing conversation as we talk about our battles with anxiety, Bebo’s life, and of course, his new album, Ocean, releasing on BEC Recordings on September 28.

Amy: So, in celebration of your new album, do you have a favorite ocean? I mean, there are seven of them.

Bebo: Ah. I’ve spent a lot of time in the Atlantic or the Pacific, but I haven’t spent time in the other oceans. So I’ve have to go with those. How ‘bout you? Do you have a favorite ocean?

Amy: Probably the Atlantic or the Pacific. I mean, my best friend fell into the Pacific Ocean off a small boat, so I’d have to go with that. It’s hard to say, it’s like trying to pick a favorite star.

Bebo: I understand. I’ve never tried to pick a favorite star, but there are so many to choose from.

We chat a bit about sea creatures, including the beauty of humpback whales. I also learn that Bebo’s been on several cruises to Alaska and that Matthew West lives three blocks away. I tell him that Matthew West’s new album is really great and he says that he hasn’t heard it.

Bebo: I tend to not be up to date on music. Isn’t that ridiculous?

Amy: That’s hilarious! I love that!

Bebo: I have to kind of disappear from music sometimes just to keep my head straight because it’s what I do, it’s my job, and it’s what I love. I have to have some space.

Amy: Sometimes I get all these new releases and I’m like, “This is all crap and I hate it!” So I have to pop in something good and solid like Bebo Norman or Rich Mullins so I can remember what good music sounds like.

Bebo: I think that’s part of my problem. I’ve always listened to music because it inspires me and what’s frustrating is that sometimes you listen to music and none of it inspires you, you start to think that no music will inspire you

Amy: I know! It’s scary because I think, “What if people think my writing is this bad?”

Bebo: That’s part of the insecurity of being a creative person. Every single songwriter writer, musician, journalist, I know has that same fear or thought.

Amy: Speaking of writing, you said that writing an album is like an extended therapy session. I’ve been in therapy sessions and they’re very painful sometimes. So, what is it like for you?

Bebo: It’s very painful, very painful, and it’s very beautiful. It’s a cathartic process, which is the beauty of writing. I didn’t start as a songwriter because I had any intention of playing songs for anybody. When I started writing songs, it was just an extension of me trying to process life. I found that, for me, whether it was poetry or songs it was the best way I could process things.

I wrote short stories and poetry before I started writing songs, but the combination of music and words is a pretty powerful and sort of inspiring thing. That’s what caught me the most about songwriting. I could write a poem or I could hear a piece of music and both of those things would be beautiful, but when they’re together there’s something magical and powerful that happens.

In ways, it’s the only way I really know how to process life. It forces me to sit down and be quiet, and still and reflective and internal. The busyness of life, especially these days, with touring and my family, my wife and kids, and my community here in Nashville—sitting down and being quiet—it’s hard to find those days.

Not to mention, if you do struggle with anxiety or those things when you get down and depressed, even when you do have those days where you can sit down and be quiet those struggles can sometimes steal the life out of those moments. Writing songs is a very grounding thing for me. That’s the same way therapy is—you’re forced to sit down with your thoughts and expose things that might not otherwise get exposed.

Amy: Some of the things I would talk about in therapy, I would not like to release to the world. You said that an album is the best 60 minutes out of two years of your life, but still, sometimes it’s painful to hear.

Bebo: I’ve always struggled with laying out things that are personal and intimate. Now that I’ve got a wife and two boys, there’s a certain level of caution to where I have to consider how what I put out there affects the people around me.

To me, everything I experience is fair game for a song. I used to really struggle with the fear of laying those things out there. Maybe I’m just old enough at this point or I’ve just been doing it long enough that now I’m not consumed with the perception might be wrong or right. It’s more a matter of this is where I am and this is what I’m struggling with and I’m certain there are other people that are dealing with similar things, if not the same thing, and it’s important for these things to be spoken. As believers, we think we’re not spiritual enough if we struggle with certain things.

Amy: Thank you for sharing that. There are a lot of songs I want to talk about, but we don’t have time. Let’s just plunge right into your favorite song, “The Middle,” which is also my favorite song. I was listening to it last night and I was crying because I was feeling like that song is my life right now. I’m not married, I don’t have kids, and I feel like my life is this middle of not where I was and not there yet. Or maybe our lives here on planet earth are the middle. I don’t know.

Bebo: I think you tapped into something there. There’s a reality that our lives in their current state are the middle. We’re never fully home and our faith is never fully realized until the day Jesus calls us home or comes back.

Here’s the thing, when I say “the middle,” it may not mean the middle of life. It happened to me when I was in college, and again in my 20’s, and again in my 30’s. As static as they may feel at times, our lives are always in transition. I revel in the idea of transition; the real struggle for me is when I’m stuck in between transition. That’s where this song comes from, like, “Where am I right now in the middle of these things? I don’t feel like I’m moving.” Like you mentioned a minute ago, you feel stuck and you’re in this place where you’re not quite sure where things are going and where they’ve been.

It’s not a song about being middle-aged. I feel like we’re always in the state of being in the middle. When we’re on this earth, we’re always in the middle and we’re always going to be stuck between our flesh and our spirit here.

Amy: You had this goal that you were going to write one blog post a day…what happened?

Bebo: It was way too ambitious a goal, and I knew that! But those are the only kind of goals I know how to set—one that’s too ambitious

Amy: I told you that in your comments section, not that you listened.

Bebo: I even said in the first blog post that I will mostly likely fail at this and what I mean is that, I will fail at this. But I really did want to go for it. I have a dear friend who wrote a new song every day for one year of his life. He said that 90% of the songs weren’t that special, but it taught him what the day had brought him. That’s kind of what I was hoping for with the whole blog thing. I can’t just write a blog and say, “I took the kids to school and I slept late.” There has to be some thought in it. The reality of the busyness of life at this point; it just wasn’t even possible. I could have sat down and written it, but it would have been at the expense of the people I love.

Amy: Well, that would have been utterly ridiculous!

Bebo: But it was a lesson learned. That would be a good entry in and of itself—to talk about how it started taking it away from the people in front of me to appease a group of people I don’t even know, which is the real danger of social networking. That’s why I failed miserably at it. Well, that sounds too noble. Actually there were too many days I didn’t feel about it.

I give Bebo some expert blogging advice, which he recognized from his comments section. I tell him that he ignored my comments because I’m a “girl.” Then we talk about how guys always think girls want to hit on them. I tell him that his recent blog, “Idols of Misdirection” was excellent and seemed to go with one of the songs on his new album called “Could You Ever Look at Me.” Bebo keeps talking, even though I’m keenly aware that he is going to be five minutes late calling his next interviewer.

Amy: One last question—how can we be praying for Bebo Norman?

Bebo: A lot of what I was writing about in that blog post (“Idols of Misdirection”) is probably what I would ask people to pray for me right now, and that is being thankful for the source of the good things in my life. I’m in a season of struggling with that. There’s a certain level of distance I feel right now from God, which is odd because I talk about my faith a lot. It’s not that I doubt the truth of the Gospel because I see it fulfilled as truth every single day. I feel like it’s robbing me of the beauty of every day.

To catch up with Bebo Norman, visit him online at BeboNorman.com, follow him on Twitter (@bebonorman), and read his blog, which he updates sometimes.

If Dolores from the Cranberries and Leigh Nash of Sixpence None the Richer ever merged into one person, that person would be Lanae’ Hale. Born into a musical family, Lanae’ originally pursued a career in nursing before following God’s call to Nashville to share her love of God through music. Not only did Lanae’ meet the love of her life, she found a home among the Centricity Records artist and releases her first album,Back & Forth, on May 19.

Through difficulty and despair, including struggling with cutting in her teens, Lanae’ learned how her brokenness could be used by God for good. Lucky for us, Lanae’ talks about her story in Backseat Writer’s latest “Take 5”. You can also check out my audio interview with Lanae’ coming soon at The Christian Manifesto. On a personal note, I really like Lanae’ Hale, both musically and personally. Her album is on permanent rotation here at Casa de Amy.

When I first heard your album, I thought, “Where did this girl and her amazing vocals come from?” To get to know you better, I’d love to learn three interesting facts about Lanae Hale.

Note from Amy:: So Lanae’ forgot to answer this question; therefore, I’m going to choose three interesting things I learned about her while talking to her on the phone–her all-time favorite band is Death Cab For Cutie; she went grocery shopping on the day of the audio interview; and she wants to visit Chincoteague Island, VA with her husband because I told her how awesome it is! And I think she likes animals…but I’m not certain.

Your debut album, Back & Forth, is saturated with meaningful music from love songs to desperate cries to God. What is the meaning behind the album’s title track “Back & Forth”?

Growing up in Florida, one of my favorite things to do was going to the beach just as the sun was setting. I’d climb up into the life guard stands to just watch and listen to the waves rolling in. It was my time to be alone, to think and pray…to be alone with God. Now living in Nashville, I think back on the beach and the time I used to spend there. I realize now how much “life” reminds me of the ocean. Our lives are constantly in motion. Some days are less chaotic then others, but a lot of the time we have those waves that are constantly crashing, and just like life, sometimes it’s hard and it’s messy. I’ve especially found that to be true when I take a stand and speak truth. The second we, as believers, step out in faith we enter a war-zone and the enemy turns the heat up. Satan gets SO mad when we are obedient to the call of Christ. It seems like our lives are constantly fighting back and forth. During those times it’s so good to just hold tight to Jesus and never let go, because He is all we need to get through it.

I love your transparency, Lanae! You share about your struggles with cutting as well as pill and alcohol abuse. “If I’m Broken” seems to follow this theme. Please share how you can to write this incredible song.

Yes, my life has been quite a roller coaster. I did struggle deeply with cutting. I was never a party girl but I wanted so much just to escape my emotions, so along with cutting, I dappled a little with alcohol and sleep aids. Honestly, I wouldn’t say I was a pill popper or anything, but I would down about a half a bottle of NyQuil in the middle of the day so that I could just sleep my life away. Needless to say, I was a pretty miserable person for a while there.

The song, “If I’m Broken,” was inspired by a prayer that I heard by a man who suddenly began to face life-threatening complications. The doctors couldn’t figure what was wrong with him and his family started to lose hope for his survival. But in the midst of chaos and possible death this man prayed, “Lord if I come out of this a whole man or a broken man, I am still your man!” WOW! I was SO moved by his humility. I think looking at my own life and brokenness, I was deeply challenged by this prayer. I think we are all called to give to the Lord our whole life, even the broken and scared parts. I want to be able to pray that kind of a prayer even in the face of death and tragedy.

Like you, I also have a history of self-injury—long before I ever heard the term “cutting.” For a long time, that was a very difficult thing for me to talk about with others, especially Christians. There are a lot of girls who struggle with cutting that will read this Take 5—what would you like to say to them?

Wow…I guess I would say to NEVER give up! This world wants us to believe that we are insignificant and easily replaceable, but the TRUTH is we matter to the God of the universe! I started realizing the worth that I had when I read Psalm 139. It is full of the truth about how God sees us and what he thinks about us. I would encourage anyone struggling with self worth to read Psalm 139 and Psalm 147:3. These verses changed my life and my view of love forever!!!

Not only do you talk about the difficulties, but you write songs to the love of your life—your husband, Josh! What is one of your favorite love songs on your album?

Ahhhhh, I LOVE talking about my husband!!! He is my very best friend! I couldn’t have asked for a better husband and I tried to express that by writing the song, “Let’s Grow Old Together”. Honestly, I tried but words really couldn’t express how amazing he is and how much he means to me!

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Amy Sondova is a writer specializing in media writing, including interviews and reviews, as well as blogging. Having interviewed over a gazillion of the top musicians, writers, and speakers in the Christian media, Amy has also written countless columns, reviews, and articles on various topics including mental illness, self-injury, working with teenagers, and Christianity. Amy currently writes youth Bible studies, for her blog, SheIsBeloved.com, runs Share Beauty Project (ShareBeautyProject.com), and is currently working on her first book. She lives with BFF Sarah and has a Shih Tzu named Maddy, a cockatiel named Arrow, King Karl the Snail, and a fish tank known as The Bachelor Pad. She just might be Captain America's fiance.