I like your wit. However, I believe there's a Dr. Topo guide in existence that details a few of the walls, which would be more than enough to keep us busy for a week. That's more of what I was hoping for.

I like your wit. However, I believe there's a Dr. Topo guide in existence that details a few of the walls, which would be more than enough to keep us busy for a week. That's more of what I was hoping for.

The stuff I told you was way better than the topo. That is why I told you about it instead of giving you a link to the topo.

I went a few weeks ago without a guidebook and while it would certainly have been nice, we got by climbing at Muir Valley. There is a little metal tag at the base of each route that gives a rating. Just print direction to Muir Valley and perhaps the individual walls before you go.

And the Webers are fantastic people for letting us climb on their private property and taking such awesome care of it. Please follow their rules, keep things clean, etc if you go there.

There is a little metal tag at the base of each route that gives a rating.

Good grief! Tell me that's just a joke! It can't be true

rob.calm

Tis true. They are a bit bigger than a quarter and pretty subtle and inset into the rock. I wouldn't want to use it as my only guide though since you have to be like right up to the wall to read it and that would get old quick.

to the OP. uhh wouldn't you have to print out the Dr Topo guide anyway? so.... look at the online guide. figure out the walls you want to go to... print those. There is also an Iphone App that looks pretty awesome.

My bad. It's sometimes hard to judge the connotation of remarks over the internet. John's reply came off as snide, but I reckon I'm the ass for assuming...

Thanks for the link, though I won't have internet access while up there. I was hoping for something more tangible.

I was being snide, but I also gave you the best advice I could given your refusal to purchase the guide.

Here is some even better advice. Don't get so butthurt.

The rest of this post assumes your route profile is up to date:

Don't get suckered in to going to Military Wall. The easier routes there are easily some of the worst at The Red.

The advice to go to Muir Valley was sound. There are a lot of fun climbs in your range. Make sure to check out Plate Tectonics and the surrounding climbs. Bruisebrothers Wall will have a bunch of routes for you to do.

Don't just set up some draws and project something all day. There are a lot of great routes. Visit as many crags and do as many routes as you can.

Haha I'll keep all that in mind. I'm not much one for extended hangdogging or serious projecting at this point anyhow. I haven't updated my route profile lately, but I haven't improved much. Any recommended hard 10s/soft 11s?

Interesting about the Muir Valley rating tags.. I've never heard of that being done.

Haha I'll keep all that in mind. I'm not much one for extended hangdogging or serious projecting at this point anyhow. I haven't updated my route profile lately, but I haven't improved much. Any recommended hard 10s/soft 11s?

Interesting about the Muir Valley rating tags.. I've never heard of that being done.

All of the tens on the 5.10 wall at Roadside are pretty classic for the grade. The best .11 at the Gorge is Amarillo Sunset at the North 40.

There is a little metal tag at the base of each route that gives a rating.

Good grief! Tell me that's just a joke! It can't be true

rob.calm

Tis true. They are a bit bigger than a quarter and pretty subtle and inset into the rock. I wouldn't want to use it as my only guide though since you have to be like right up to the wall to read it and that would get old quick. .

Ugh! Are you suggesting they make them bigger and maybe put a plaque at the base of the climb giving the name of the route and the beta! That would save lugging around a guidebook or downloading the information.

There is a little metal tag at the base of each route that gives a rating.

Good grief! Tell me that's just a joke! It can't be true

rob.calm

Tis true. They are a bit bigger than a quarter and pretty subtle and inset into the rock. I wouldn't want to use it as my only guide though since you have to be like right up to the wall to read it and that would get old quick. .

Ugh! Are you suggesting they make them bigger and maybe put a plaque at the base of the climb giving the name of the route and the beta! That would save lugging around a guidebook or downloading the information.

O, tempora! O, mores!

Gratias et valete bene! RobertusPunctumPacificus

nah.. they are fine the way they are.. it is only that one area that is privately owned and unique. i just wouldn't suggest someone try to wander along the cliff looking at name plates trying to find routes. it is a waste of time.

Haha I'll keep all that in mind. I'm not much one for extended hangdogging or serious projecting at this point anyhow. I haven't updated my route profile lately, but I haven't improved much. Any recommended hard 10s/soft 11s?

Interesting about the Muir Valley rating tags.. I've never heard of that being done.

All of the tens on the 5.10 wall at Roadside are pretty classic for the grade. The best .11 at the Gorge is Amarillo Sunset at the North 40.

Amarillo is the coolest looking i will give you that but for anyone not your height it is definitely not soft. I was closer to sending Ro than i was Amarillo.

For soft go to Miur.. it is kind of an "anti sand bagging" area so we found them pretty soft. Gettin' lucky in kentucky and 5th bolt faith are pretty sweet.

If you are good at bouldering and pockets Aquaduck pocket, relaxed atmosphere and Third world lover at Left flank are hard pockets to easy top outs for .11s. Up Yonder (first anchor of Way up yonder) is pretty sweet for 11b at roadside

I think it's $40, and there is a brand new releases just a week ago. When we went, the old edition was sold out and the new one was not yet released. Noone was willing to part with an old one either at any price! Maybe with the new one out, someone at miguels will sell you an old one for cheap enough?