Council demands contractors fix Twin Sails Bridge after series of shutdowns

SORT it out – that is the message being given to the company that built Poole’s trouble-hit Twin Sails Bridge.

The £21.6million structure has been beset with problems for months, forcing its opening to be delayed until April. Since then, a number of adjustments have been carried out.

But the glitches continue, with three more over last weekend, including one that led to the bridge being stuck in the down position and being closed to traffic for three and a half hours on Sunday
afternoon.

Now there are signs that Poole council may be starting to run out of patience with Hochtief (UK) Construction, which built the world’s first triangular-leaf lifting bridge, designed by the team
behind Gateshead’s iconic Millennium Bridge.

Jim Bright, strategic director for the Borough of Poole, admitted to the Echo: “We acknowledge the current level of performance of the scheduled lifts has yet to reach a standard which the council
would consider acceptable in the long-term.

“Three operating faults linked to the bridge lifting mechanism were reported on consecutive days over the weekend which resulted in the closure of the Twin Sails Bridge to road traffic for a period of time to allow investigation by engineers.

“On each occasion the faults reported were relatively minor and the bridge was reopened as soon as possible. We would like to apologise for any inconvenience to motorists or mariners affected by
the disruption.”

Mr Bright added: “The council’s contractor Hochtief (UK) Ltd continues to make progress to resolve a number of issues that have arisen since the Twin Sails Bridge opened to traffic in April.

“These include a few small defects in the road surface that will require some remedial work.

“The contractor is considering the cause of these defects and we are currently awaiting advice from Hochtief on any further action which may be required.

“The Twin Sails Bridge remains open to traffic and continues to operate in tandem with Poole Bridge, ensuring that at least one bridge is open to traffic for most of the time.”

Just after the Twin Sails Bridge opened, Swindon-based Hochtief boasted that its achievement in building the bridge highlighted modern engineering design and construction of which “the likes of
Brunel and Telford would be proud.”

Under the terms of Hochtief’s contract, it is responsible for resolving any problems that arise for the first 12 months of the bridge being open.

Trev Lansley of Hamworthy said he and his wife had decided to sell their 120-year-old wooden sailing boat because of the problems with the bridge.

“It’s useless for boats. I’ve been held up three times, once coming in, once going out and once stuck between the bridges.”

Comments

Derf
9:26am Thu 12 Jul 12

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!
Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?Derf

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

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Holes Bay Curve
9:40am Thu 12 Jul 12

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?

[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote:
So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!
Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?[/p][/quote]Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?Holes Bay Curve

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?

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Old Colonial
9:41am Thu 12 Jul 12

The Gateshead Millennium bridge, always touted as a resounding achievement by Hochtief, is pedestrian and cyclists only, not intended for commercial use.

The 'Twin Sails' is a lavish experiment that has gone wrong. The blame should rest at least in part with the individuals in the council that insisted on specifying the untried design. Ego trip.

The Gateshead Millennium bridge, always touted as a resounding achievement by Hochtief, is pedestrian and cyclists only, not intended for commercial use.
The 'Twin Sails' is a lavish experiment that has gone wrong. The blame should rest at least in part with the individuals in the council that insisted on specifying the untried design. Ego trip.Old Colonial

The Gateshead Millennium bridge, always touted as a resounding achievement by Hochtief, is pedestrian and cyclists only, not intended for commercial use.

The 'Twin Sails' is a lavish experiment that has gone wrong. The blame should rest at least in part with the individuals in the council that insisted on specifying the untried design. Ego trip.

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no shite -sherlock
9:47am Thu 12 Jul 12

things that are paid for that don't work right are not councils problem. The builders and/or the designers have a problem. When the builder is also the designer (as the surf reef) they have a double problem.

things that are paid for that don't work right are not councils problem. The builders and/or the designers have a problem. When the builder is also the designer (as the surf reef) they have a double problem.no shite -sherlock

things that are paid for that don't work right are not councils problem. The builders and/or the designers have a problem. When the builder is also the designer (as the surf reef) they have a double problem.

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jobsworthwatch
10:03am Thu 12 Jul 12

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.jobsworthwatch

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

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jobsworthwatch
10:16am Thu 12 Jul 12

jobsworthwatch wrote…

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

...no wonder we have a design that doesn't work!

[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote:
Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.[/p][/quote]...no wonder we have a design that doesn't work!jobsworthwatch

jobsworthwatch wrote…

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

...no wonder we have a design that doesn't work!

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burgerboy
10:23am Thu 12 Jul 12

Under the sale of goods act I always thought you were entitled to a full refund if it was deemed not fit for the purpose it was intended or was of faulty manufacture, this seems to fall into both categories. So poole council get your arse in gear and get your claim in to HOTCHPOTCH before it is too late and they disapear like ASR.

Under the sale of goods act I always thought you were entitled to a full refund if it was deemed not fit for the purpose it was intended or was of faulty manufacture, this seems to fall into both categories. So poole council get your arse in gear and get your claim in to HOTCHPOTCH before it is too late and they disapear like ASR.burgerboy

Under the sale of goods act I always thought you were entitled to a full refund if it was deemed not fit for the purpose it was intended or was of faulty manufacture, this seems to fall into both categories. So poole council get your arse in gear and get your claim in to HOTCHPOTCH before it is too late and they disapear like ASR.

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Baywolf
10:30am Thu 12 Jul 12

Holes Bay Curve wrote…

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?

Like the surf reef you mean...Sandbags for gods sake how simple can you get at £30 million

[quote][p][bold]Holes Bay Curve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote:
So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!
Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?[/p][/quote]Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?[/p][/quote]Like the surf reef you mean...Sandbags for gods sake how simple can you get at £30 millionBaywolf

Holes Bay Curve wrote…

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Like the Castlepoint car park you mean ?

Like the surf reef you mean...Sandbags for gods sake how simple can you get at £30 million

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penhale
10:36am Thu 12 Jul 12

Surf reef deja vu.

Surf reef deja vu.penhale

Surf reef deja vu.

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rudolph_hucker
10:42am Thu 12 Jul 12

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Sounds like SRS - Surf Reef Syndrone - to me.
Symptons include talking and believing in your own nonsense, recklessly spending other people's money, and always choosing style over substance.
Those afflicated can also lose touch with reality, and suffer from a complete lack of public accountability or remorse.
SRS is endemic to to town halls up and down the country, sadly there is no known cure.

[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote:
So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!
Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?[/p][/quote]Sounds like SRS - Surf Reef Syndrone - to me.
Symptons include talking and believing in your own nonsense, recklessly spending other people's money, and always choosing style over substance.
Those afflicated can also lose touch with reality, and suffer from a complete lack of public accountability or remorse.
SRS is endemic to to town halls up and down the country, sadly there is no known cure.rudolph_hucker

Derf wrote…

So let me get this straight...
The council dream up these over elaborate, over complicated, over priced grandiose schemes, then start moaning that due to them being over complicated (as per their spec) they don't work properly!

Have they never heard of 'Keep It Simple Stupid'?

Sounds like SRS - Surf Reef Syndrone - to me.
Symptons include talking and believing in your own nonsense, recklessly spending other people's money, and always choosing style over substance.
Those afflicated can also lose touch with reality, and suffer from a complete lack of public accountability or remorse.
SRS is endemic to to town halls up and down the country, sadly there is no known cure.

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elite50
11:15am Thu 12 Jul 12

Brunel and Telford?
Abbot and Costello would be nearer the mark!

Brunel and Telford?
Abbot and Costello would be nearer the mark!elite50

Brunel and Telford?
Abbot and Costello would be nearer the mark!

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Reader Echo
11:36am Thu 12 Jul 12

Talking of wasting tax payers money, I am hoping that the bridge will get stuck in the up position so that the Corporate flame procession will not be able to use it.

Talking of wasting tax payers money, I am hoping that the bridge will get stuck in the up position so that the Corporate flame procession will not be able to use it.Reader Echo

Talking of wasting tax payers money, I am hoping that the bridge will get stuck in the up position so that the Corporate flame procession will not be able to use it.

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derek_acorah
11:50am Thu 12 Jul 12

The council, and indeed, the commenters here are missing the point wildly. It looks like Sails. Two of them. That should be enough for you. The actual functional 'bridgy' bit is secondary. It's meeting all its parameters, in the 'looking like two sails' part of its remit. Actually being able to use it to cross a body of water should be viewed as an occasional bonus.

The council, and indeed, the commenters here are missing the point wildly. It looks like Sails. Two of them. That should be enough for you. The actual functional 'bridgy' bit is secondary. It's meeting all its parameters, in the 'looking like two sails' part of its remit. Actually being able to use it to cross a body of water should be viewed as an occasional bonus.derek_acorah

The council, and indeed, the commenters here are missing the point wildly. It looks like Sails. Two of them. That should be enough for you. The actual functional 'bridgy' bit is secondary. It's meeting all its parameters, in the 'looking like two sails' part of its remit. Actually being able to use it to cross a body of water should be viewed as an occasional bonus.

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crispy_pants
11:56am Thu 12 Jul 12

Nice one Rudolph_Hucker.

Nice one Rudolph_Hucker.crispy_pants

Nice one Rudolph_Hucker.

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robsmith123
11:59am Thu 12 Jul 12

"Trev Lansley of Hamworthy said he and his wife had decided to sell their 120-year-old wooden sailing boat because of the problems with the bridge.

“It’s useless for boats. I’ve been held up three times, once coming in, once going out and once stuck between the bridges.” "

wow - stuck three times !!! can't wait for bridge to be fixed so this idiot has to be another boat. what a cretin. still, it got his name in the paper

"Trev Lansley of Hamworthy said he and his wife had decided to sell their 120-year-old wooden sailing boat because of the problems with the bridge.
“It’s useless for boats. I’ve been held up three times, once coming in, once going out and once stuck between the bridges.” "
wow - stuck three times !!! can't wait for bridge to be fixed so this idiot has to be another boat. what a cretin. still, it got his name in the paperrobsmith123

"Trev Lansley of Hamworthy said he and his wife had decided to sell their 120-year-old wooden sailing boat because of the problems with the bridge.

“It’s useless for boats. I’ve been held up three times, once coming in, once going out and once stuck between the bridges.” "

wow - stuck three times !!! can't wait for bridge to be fixed so this idiot has to be another boat. what a cretin. still, it got his name in the paper

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tryinghard1234
12:07pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Sundays closure showed the fantastic signage that has been installed around the bridge. Still vehicles on the Hamworthy side were directed down to it before being turned around!! Well done

Sundays closure showed the fantastic signage that has been installed around the bridge. Still vehicles on the Hamworthy side were directed down to it before being turned around!! Well donetryinghard1234

Sundays closure showed the fantastic signage that has been installed around the bridge. Still vehicles on the Hamworthy side were directed down to it before being turned around!! Well done

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static kill
12:20pm Thu 12 Jul 12

It probably just needs a squirt of WD40.

It probably just needs a squirt of WD40.static kill

It probably just needs a squirt of WD40.

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Justin666
12:20pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Trev, most people just move their moorings elsewhere.

Trev, most people just move their moorings elsewhere.Justin666

Trev, most people just move their moorings elsewhere.

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shytalks
12:21pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Can both councils ever get any great amount of expensive schemes, to work as they were intended....Referenc
e the reef,Im no engineer, but what was/is the problem about sinking loads of used weighted old car tyres, chained together, we certainly have enough of them(Some counties, burn them in power stations as an alternative for coal), ref the bridge, why oh why, wasnt it built as a fixed one the other side of the yacht marina, landing just by Sterte.(NO moving parts!!)

Can both councils ever get any great amount of expensive schemes, to work as they were intended....Referenc
e the reef,Im no engineer, but what was/is the problem about sinking loads of used weighted old car tyres, chained together, we certainly have enough of them(Some counties, burn them in power stations as an alternative for coal), ref the bridge, why oh why, wasnt it built as a fixed one the other side of the yacht marina, landing just by Sterte.(NO moving parts!!)shytalks

Can both councils ever get any great amount of expensive schemes, to work as they were intended....Referenc
e the reef,Im no engineer, but what was/is the problem about sinking loads of used weighted old car tyres, chained together, we certainly have enough of them(Some counties, burn them in power stations as an alternative for coal), ref the bridge, why oh why, wasnt it built as a fixed one the other side of the yacht marina, landing just by Sterte.(NO moving parts!!)

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whataboutthat
12:22pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.whataboutthat

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

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boyerboy
1:33pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples !

Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples !boyerboy

Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples !

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derek_acorah
2:24pm Thu 12 Jul 12

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote:
Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.[/p][/quote]Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....
More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.
Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.derek_acorah

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

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whataboutthat
2:47pm Thu 12 Jul 12

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

[quote][p][bold]derek_acorah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote:
Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.[/p][/quote]Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....
More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.
Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.[/p][/quote]Depends whether you want function over form - wheels are round and bridges generally straight. Reduce complexity. Things work.whataboutthat

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Its a stupid design to start with. All the classic opening bridges have simple designs. This bridge has got to go down as a lesson for civil engineering students how NOT to design or build a bridge.

Its a stupid design to start with. All the classic opening bridges have simple designs. This bridge has got to go down as a lesson for civil engineering students how NOT to design or build a bridge.EGHH

Its a stupid design to start with. All the classic opening bridges have simple designs. This bridge has got to go down as a lesson for civil engineering students how NOT to design or build a bridge.

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benjamin
4:15pm Thu 12 Jul 12

The problem could have been solved the other day. If they hadn't been so quick moving the travellers on from Turlin Moor, to get them out of the way of the Olympic procession. They would have been happy to have taken this heap of scrap away, at almost no cost to the Council at all.

The problem could have been solved the other day. If they hadn't been so quick moving the travellers on from Turlin Moor, to get them out of the way of the Olympic procession. They would have been happy to have taken this heap of scrap away, at almost no cost to the Council at all.benjamin

The problem could have been solved the other day. If they hadn't been so quick moving the travellers on from Turlin Moor, to get them out of the way of the Olympic procession. They would have been happy to have taken this heap of scrap away, at almost no cost to the Council at all.

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sea poole
4:23pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Mr Jim Bright? Isn't HE the 'Strategic' Director who was heavily involved in that other iconic idea -the SOLAR PYRAMID...?
Can't we have transfer arrangements, just like in football? Bournemouth BC -How much will you pay to sign our Strategic Director...?

Mr Jim Bright? Isn't HE the 'Strategic' Director who was heavily involved in that other iconic idea -the SOLAR PYRAMID...?
Can't we have transfer arrangements, just like in football? Bournemouth BC -How much will you pay to sign our Strategic Director...?sea poole

Mr Jim Bright? Isn't HE the 'Strategic' Director who was heavily involved in that other iconic idea -the SOLAR PYRAMID...?
Can't we have transfer arrangements, just like in football? Bournemouth BC -How much will you pay to sign our Strategic Director...?

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justanoldie
5:14pm Thu 12 Jul 12

It's not fit for purpose! The council are bending over backwards to accomodate their obviously faulty design. It's a prototype that should have been tested in all situations. We are suckers to let them "test" it at our expense!!

It's not fit for purpose! The council are bending over backwards to accomodate their obviously faulty design. It's a prototype that should have been tested in all situations. We are suckers to let them "test" it at our expense!!justanoldie

It's not fit for purpose! The council are bending over backwards to accomodate their obviously faulty design. It's a prototype that should have been tested in all situations. We are suckers to let them "test" it at our expense!!

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jobsworthwatch
5:23pm Thu 12 Jul 12

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

That's because there is no need to build bridges that look like sails. This bridge only looks like sails when it's open, the design has been compromised, its closed most of the time ( or should be ), putting emphasis on the appearance of the bridge when it's open rather than the functionality of the bridge is stupid!
I.K.B. 1...P.B.C nil!

[quote][p][bold]derek_acorah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote:
Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.[/p][/quote]Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....
More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.
Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.[/p][/quote]That's because there is no need to build bridges that look like sails. This bridge only looks like sails when it's open, the design has been compromised, its closed most of the time ( or should be ), putting emphasis on the appearance of the bridge when it's open rather than the functionality of the bridge is stupid!
I.K.B. 1...P.B.C nil!jobsworthwatch

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

That's because there is no need to build bridges that look like sails. This bridge only looks like sails when it's open, the design has been compromised, its closed most of the time ( or should be ), putting emphasis on the appearance of the bridge when it's open rather than the functionality of the bridge is stupid!
I.K.B. 1...P.B.C nil!

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Mallaw
5:35pm Thu 12 Jul 12

WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one!

WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one!Mallaw

WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one!

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pugs0404
6:24pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Mallaw wrote…

WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one!

hope they havent used the same stuff as on christchurch bridge street bridges

[quote][p][bold]Mallaw[/bold] wrote:
WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one![/p][/quote]hope they havent used the same stuff as on christchurch bridge street bridgespugs0404

Mallaw wrote…

WAIT UNTIL THE SUMMER.... the asphalt will fall off ...... thats if we ever get one!

hope they havent used the same stuff as on christchurch bridge street bridges

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sc61
6:29pm Thu 12 Jul 12

The vast majority of the Sales of Goods Act doesn't apply to transactions between businesses, it's for consumer protection. Business are supposed to know what they are doing and agree a contract. Given the current procession of financial fiascos one can only assume the Councils get the suppliers to write the contract and then just rubber stamp it; after all it's not their own money they're burning.

The vast majority of the Sales of Goods Act doesn't apply to transactions between businesses, it's for consumer protection. Business are supposed to know what they are doing and agree a contract. Given the current procession of financial fiascos one can only assume the Councils get the suppliers to write the contract and then just rubber stamp it; after all it's not their own money they're burning.sc61

The vast majority of the Sales of Goods Act doesn't apply to transactions between businesses, it's for consumer protection. Business are supposed to know what they are doing and agree a contract. Given the current procession of financial fiascos one can only assume the Councils get the suppliers to write the contract and then just rubber stamp it; after all it's not their own money they're burning.

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BIGTONE
6:43pm Thu 12 Jul 12

I guess they have already cashed the cheque?

I guess they have already cashed the cheque?BIGTONE

I guess they have already cashed the cheque?

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winton50
6:55pm Thu 12 Jul 12

I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this story.

I can't quite work out what is going on without a picture of someone looking furious, disgusted or dismayed with their arms folded.

I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this story.
I can't quite work out what is going on without a picture of someone looking furious, disgusted or dismayed with their arms folded.winton50

I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this story.

I can't quite work out what is going on without a picture of someone looking furious, disgusted or dismayed with their arms folded.

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pooleoldy
7:52pm Thu 12 Jul 12

But yet another photo of Jim Bright with his usual bemused smug look, will he be held responsible.

But yet another photo of Jim Bright with his usual bemused smug look, will he be held responsible.pooleoldy

But yet another photo of Jim Bright with his usual bemused smug look, will he be held responsible.

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Boscomite
8:08pm Thu 12 Jul 12

As I understand it, if you go to a resaurant, and the meal or service does,t come up to standard. Then as long as you offer to pay what you consider to be a resonable amount for the service provided, you are quite within your rights. Doesn't this same law apply to Council tax? and if not why not?

As I understand it, if you go to a resaurant, and the meal or service does,t come up to standard. Then as long as you offer to pay what you consider to be a resonable amount for the service provided, you are quite within your rights. Doesn't this same law apply to Council tax? and if not why not?Boscomite

As I understand it, if you go to a resaurant, and the meal or service does,t come up to standard. Then as long as you offer to pay what you consider to be a resonable amount for the service provided, you are quite within your rights. Doesn't this same law apply to Council tax? and if not why not?

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fossilmole
8:54pm Thu 12 Jul 12

When this was chosen by the ex-spurts in Poole many of us said..too complex...too intricate...too costly...not energy efficient...too chancy!!!!!

...and so we see; the thing is not yet months old and already it is holding up a huge badge of failure.
Poole Council should print a public apology to all of us who told them they were wrong ...and who were in turn told by the Council 'this would be an iconic bridge to emphasise Poole's qualities.'

Guess it brings home that just like the Port of Poole ..it isn't working.

I say it again our forefathers in the Victorian age could do it better and more effectively than these iconic bridge designers we see here.
We needed a swing bridge!!!!!

If you're interested take a look at:- http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Swing_Bridg
e,_River_Tyne

When this was chosen by the ex-spurts in Poole many of us said..too complex...too intricate...too costly...not energy efficient...too chancy!!!!!
...and so we see; the thing is not yet months old and already it is holding up a huge badge of failure.
Poole Council should print a public apology to all of us who told them they were wrong ...and who were in turn told by the Council 'this would be an iconic bridge to emphasise Poole's qualities.'
Guess it brings home that just like the Port of Poole ..it isn't working.
I say it again our forefathers in the Victorian age could do it better and more effectively than these iconic bridge designers we see here.
We needed a swing bridge!!!!!
If you're interested take a look at:- http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Swing_Bridg
e,_River_Tynefossilmole

When this was chosen by the ex-spurts in Poole many of us said..too complex...too intricate...too costly...not energy efficient...too chancy!!!!!

...and so we see; the thing is not yet months old and already it is holding up a huge badge of failure.
Poole Council should print a public apology to all of us who told them they were wrong ...and who were in turn told by the Council 'this would be an iconic bridge to emphasise Poole's qualities.'

Guess it brings home that just like the Port of Poole ..it isn't working.

I say it again our forefathers in the Victorian age could do it better and more effectively than these iconic bridge designers we see here.
We needed a swing bridge!!!!!

If you're interested take a look at:- http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Swing_Bridg
e,_River_Tyne

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drofnas
8:54pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Why didnt Poole council stick with the original fixed suspension bridge that went over the bay . All yachts could get under it with nothing to lift. It may have cost more to build but it was more practical and better looking. Also it was further out of Poole for the big trucks to use, not stuck up the backside of the current bridge and still causing problems and delays

Why didnt Poole council stick with the original fixed suspension bridge that went over the bay . All yachts could get under it with nothing to lift. It may have cost more to build but it was more practical and better looking. Also it was further out of Poole for the big trucks to use, not stuck up the backside of the current bridge and still causing problems and delaysdrofnas

Why didnt Poole council stick with the original fixed suspension bridge that went over the bay . All yachts could get under it with nothing to lift. It may have cost more to build but it was more practical and better looking. Also it was further out of Poole for the big trucks to use, not stuck up the backside of the current bridge and still causing problems and delays

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IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
9:00pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Perhaps, the bridge could remain down and they could lower the water?
Alternatively, they could fill in the land side of the bridge and build lots of affordable housing.

Perhaps, the bridge could remain down and they could lower the water?
Alternatively, they could fill in the land side of the bridge and build lots of affordable housing.IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

Perhaps, the bridge could remain down and they could lower the water?
Alternatively, they could fill in the land side of the bridge and build lots of affordable housing.

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tbpoole
9:37pm Thu 12 Jul 12

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!tbpoole

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

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chiefwolf2
11:00pm Thu 12 Jul 12

So... they are looking to get rid of a Director in Poole Council are they?........ hummmmmm wonder who they should choose.......... People lose their jobs for a lot less than the Solar Pyramid scandal or the Twin Sails flop!!!

So... they are looking to get rid of a Director in Poole Council are they?........ hummmmmm wonder who they should choose.......... People lose their jobs for a lot less than the Solar Pyramid scandal or the Twin Sails flop!!!chiefwolf2

So... they are looking to get rid of a Director in Poole Council are they?........ hummmmmm wonder who they should choose.......... People lose their jobs for a lot less than the Solar Pyramid scandal or the Twin Sails flop!!!

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Mallaw
11:24pm Thu 12 Jul 12

tbpoole wrote…

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning!

[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote:
What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy![/p][/quote]erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning!Mallaw

tbpoole wrote…

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning!

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LoulouBlue
12:12am Fri 13 Jul 12

Try living near it and listening to the bleep this morning it got stuck just before 5am till 07.30am we laid there listening to a constant beep, its
driving us bonkers !

Try living near it and listening to the bleep this morning it got stuck just before 5am till 07.30am we laid there listening to a constant beep, its
driving us bonkers !LoulouBlue

Try living near it and listening to the bleep this morning it got stuck just before 5am till 07.30am we laid there listening to a constant beep, its
driving us bonkers !

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no shite -sherlock
8:31am Fri 13 Jul 12

good news - the reef builders are to fix the bridge and the bridge builders are to fix the reef -everybody wins! All of our christmas's have come at once!

good news - the reef builders are to fix the bridge and the bridge builders are to fix the reef -everybody wins! All of our christmas's have come at once!no shite -sherlock

good news - the reef builders are to fix the bridge and the bridge builders are to fix the reef -everybody wins! All of our christmas's have come at once!

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fedupwithjobsworths
9:41am Fri 13 Jul 12

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nil

[quote][p][bold]derek_acorah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote:
Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.[/p][/quote]Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....
More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.
Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.[/p][/quote]I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nilfedupwithjobsworths

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nil

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Dorset Logic
10:56am Fri 13 Jul 12

Its a shame no one is around that built the original bridge to pass on a bit of common sense. Councils of Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch, can we outsource them?

Its a shame no one is around that built the original bridge to pass on a bit of common sense. Councils of Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch, can we outsource them?Dorset Logic

Its a shame no one is around that built the original bridge to pass on a bit of common sense. Councils of Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch, can we outsource them?

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derek_acorah
11:27am Fri 13 Jul 12

fedupwithjobsworths wrote…

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nil

Ah, the percontation point. Wish it'd been adopted for situations like this.....

[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]derek_acorah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]whataboutthat[/bold] wrote:
Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.[/p][/quote]Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....
More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.
Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.[/p][/quote]I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nil[/p][/quote]Ah, the percontation point. Wish it'd been adopted for situations like this.....derek_acorah

fedupwithjobsworths wrote…

derek_acorah wrote…

whataboutthat wrote…

Brunel's bridges work, most are still in use including a particularly fine example in Spain.

Again, you are missing the point. How many of Brunel's bridges look like sails? The answer is of course exactly zero.....

More than a century of efficacy in actually moving stuff over bodies of water is irrelevant. If its not looking like at least one sail, I'm not having it. I.K.B may have been a great engineer, but he wasn't much cop at building bridges that looked like sails.

Poole 1... I.K.B Nil.

I think you’re missing the point.
I.K.B. was a indeed a brilliant engineer, his bridges were fit for purpose, functional and works of engineering – only a **** would compromise functionality to purposely make a bridge look like a pair of sails.
I.K.B. Ten…… PBC (negative IQ Jobsworths) Nil

Ah, the percontation point. Wish it'd been adopted for situations like this.....

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Martinesque
12:44pm Fri 13 Jul 12

Council commissions bridge that looks like a pair of sails.
Hochtief build bridge.
Bridge is obviously a bit rubbish, looks like a pair of sails......but Hochtief assure them that it'll be safe and work despite looking like a pair of sails.
Council tells Hochtief to sort it out. Which is why they keep closing it.
People commenting on Echo news stories have predictable go at council, despite them not actually BUILDING the thing.
Hochtief somehow not copping as much flack despite designing/building unsafe/non-functiona
l bridge.

Not that I'm defending local authorities as such, but surely this is more to do with bad engineering?

Council commissions bridge that looks like a pair of sails.
Hochtief build bridge.
Bridge is obviously a bit rubbish, looks like a pair of sails......but Hochtief assure them that it'll be safe and work despite looking like a pair of sails.
Council tells Hochtief to sort it out. Which is why they keep closing it.
People commenting on Echo news stories have predictable go at council, despite them not actually BUILDING the thing.
Hochtief somehow not copping as much flack despite designing/building unsafe/non-functiona
l bridge.
Not that I'm defending local authorities as such, but surely this is more to do with bad engineering?Martinesque

Council commissions bridge that looks like a pair of sails.
Hochtief build bridge.
Bridge is obviously a bit rubbish, looks like a pair of sails......but Hochtief assure them that it'll be safe and work despite looking like a pair of sails.
Council tells Hochtief to sort it out. Which is why they keep closing it.
People commenting on Echo news stories have predictable go at council, despite them not actually BUILDING the thing.
Hochtief somehow not copping as much flack despite designing/building unsafe/non-functiona
l bridge.

Not that I'm defending local authorities as such, but surely this is more to do with bad engineering?

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Dorset Logic
1:33pm Fri 13 Jul 12

and bad sourcing.

and bad sourcing.Dorset Logic

and bad sourcing.

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alanhl
4:58pm Fri 13 Jul 12

does't matter whether it works or not, it's still in the wtong place

does't matter whether it works or not, it's still in the wtong placealanhl

does't matter whether it works or not, it's still in the wtong place

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spooki
1:40pm Sat 14 Jul 12

boyerboy wrote…

Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples !

Because recycling other broken bits would mean them saving money and the councils don't like to do that - they'd rather spend it on cr@ppy designs that no-one wants or don't work.

[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote:
Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples ![/p][/quote]Because recycling other broken bits would mean them saving money and the councils don't like to do that - they'd rather spend it on cr@ppy designs that no-one wants or don't work.spooki

boyerboy wrote…

Psssst I have an idea, why not build a new road alongside the Railway line, this will skirt the harbour`s edge and come out near Hamworthy Junction..All i need is a few million quid and the waste can be dumped near Boscombe( out to sea ), the hard core for the base of the road can come from the IMAX ( when I pull it down )....Simples !

Because recycling other broken bits would mean them saving money and the councils don't like to do that - they'd rather spend it on cr@ppy designs that no-one wants or don't work.

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live-and-let-live
5:28pm Sat 14 Jul 12

jobsworthwatch wrote…

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

thatchers fault again?

[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote:
Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.[/p][/quote]thatchers fault again?live-and-let-live

jobsworthwatch wrote…

Where ever you look, the only growth industry in this country for the last few decades has been local government, maned by nontechnical jobsworths that have no idea about what can and can't be done and nontechnical councilors that don't know what should and shouldn't be done. On top of this, successive central governments starting with Thatcher happy to preside over the export of manufacturing sector jobs to the Far East resulting in the loss of industrial expertise and capability.

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portia6
9:41pm Tue 17 Jul 12

We are sailing.
we are sailing home
again across the Quay!

We are sailing.
we are sailing home
again across the Quay!portia6

We are sailing.
we are sailing home
again across the Quay!

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tbpoole
7:01pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Mallaw wrote…

tbpoole wrote…

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning!

How do you know that there aren't loads of teething problems, plus anyway most of the tenants have yet to take up occupancy.

[quote][p][bold]Mallaw[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote:
What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy![/p][/quote]erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning![/p][/quote]How do you know that there aren't loads of teething problems, plus anyway most of the tenants have yet to take up occupancy.tbpoole

Mallaw wrote…

tbpoole wrote…

What dinosaurs! I bet you think they shouldn't have built the Shard in London because its a bit too pointy!

erm the shard works and hasnt fell down, this was a design error from the beginning!

How do you know that there aren't loads of teething problems, plus anyway most of the tenants have yet to take up occupancy.

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