I like this. But you cant argue that many said the books over adjusted for A. Smith. and technically these people who bet SF at 3.5 beat the line. No? I assume you will say no because they did not beat the closing line. But why does that matter they got the best available line period with value on it. Gotta give credit where it is do. Those who said Kaper was gonna be just as good if not better than Smith beat the line in my eyes.

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van, I had a question regarding betting halftimes in College and Pro Football. I have been putting a lot of stock in Pinnacle's opening numbers for halftimes. I will often sit their refreshing and watching the money fluctuate, or see if they actually move the numbers.

I live in Las Vegas and use William.US on my iPhone, so I don't have any other outlets. I will sometimes see a difference between 1-3 points on the sides and even some of the totals. When I see Pinnacle stand pat on a number, where William Hill will move the line, I have been hammering the side that Pinnacle won't move off of.

My best example of this was the Thursday night game between Clemson and Wake Forest. Pinnacle closed at Clemson -4.5 +101 for the 2nd half, where William Hill had Clemson -6 -130. I sided with Wake Forest +6 at +110. Wake Forest won the 2nd half 7-6.

Sorry for the ramble. My question is do you put any merit into something like this when Pinnacle takes a stand on a number so to speak? Is it just a coincidence? There have been quite a few occasions of games like this, and it hits more often than not. I also understand that WilliamHill seems to be on the square side here which is okay for what I'm trying to do, since I'm always getting the better number.

Working in the sportsbook industry, I can assure you the juice on a pinnacle side/total for a major sport such as NBA, NFL, NCAAF, or NCAAB is more often than not a winner. Definitely over 58% of the time.

If Pinnacle closes with a team -5 -111, it will more often than not win. I don't have the numbers in front of because I am not at work, but it is very similar to what you are talking about. If you follow the Pinnacle juice, you will end up ahead. You just have to make sure you are betting at the last second, and getting the same number.

Working in the sportsbook industry, I can assure you the juice on a pinnacle side/total for a major sport such as NBA, NFL, NCAAF, or NCAAB is more often than not a winner. Definitely over 58% of the time.

If Pinnacle closes with a team -5 -111, it will more often than not win. I don't have the numbers in front of because I am not at work, but it is very similar to what you are talking about. If you follow the Pinnacle juice, you will end up ahead. You just have to make sure you are betting at the last second, and getting the same number.

Your example is also for a 2H? Or are you referring to a full game? You are basically saying to take the fav when pinnacle won't move off a number and the juice rises to a point that other books are moving the line.

Working in the sportsbook industry, I can assure you the juice on a pinnacle side/total for a major sport such as NBA, NFL, NCAAF, or NCAAB is more often than not a winner. Definitely over 58% of the time.

If Pinnacle closes with a team -5 -111, it will more often than not win. I don't have the numbers in front of because I am not at work, but it is very similar to what you are talking about. If you follow the Pinnacle juice, you will end up ahead. You just have to make sure you are betting at the last second, and getting the same number.

Are you saying that if you bet the side that has the heavier juice at pinnacle right before the event starts on a major sport that you will hit 58% or better? Please clarify.

If that is what you are saying I know why you don't have the numbers in front of you.

Are you saying that if you bet the side that has the heavier juice at pinnacle right before the event starts on a major sport that you will hit 58% or better? Please clarify.

If that is what you are saying I know why you don't have the numbers in front of you.

That is exactly what I am saying. I don't have it in front of me because I am not at work. This is all stuff our people at work have been following.

A majority of books move off this. If Pinnacle is -5 -110 when they are usually -104, -105, -106 or whatever as their normal vig, other books will go to -5.5. It is very beneficial if you have a local, or a low key offshore than doesn't move solely based off the Pinnacle juice.

I try and follow it as often as I can. And Pinnacle lines are moving till the last second before the game starts. That is why it is important to wait till the end.

Your example is also for a 2H? Or are you referring to a full game? You are basically saying to take the fav when pinnacle won't move off a number and the juice rises to a point that other books are moving the line.

For the last 8 months we have been tracking full games only. Not first half or half time.

That is exactly what I am saying. I don't have it in front of me because I am not at work. This is all stuff our people at work have been following.

A majority of books move off this. If Pinnacle is -5 -110 when they are usually -104, -105, -106 or whatever as their normal vig, other books will go to -5.5. It is very beneficial if you have a local, or a low key offshore than doesn't move solely based off the Pinnacle juice.

I try and follow it as often as I can. And Pinnacle lines are moving till the last second before the game starts. That is why it is important to wait till the end.

Thanks Sharp for not only enlightening me on how easy it can be to win at sportsbetting, but anyone else who reads this thread. I predict a lot of casinos and off shores out of business at this time next year.

sharpstick. Thanks. I have only been using this for Halftime Wagers at the moment. The best thing about it, like I described, is I get a much better number each and every time, whether it be a side or total. I still think it could all be a coincidence, but their have been very few games per week, that I find a huge discrepancy in numbers.

For me, I really haven't paid too much attention to full games and the vig, because their can be a difference in just about every single game. I have kept some notes regarding Pinnacle's 1st half College totals. Saturday morning you will get some steam on a total, or totals the last few hours before kickoff for the full game.

Sometimes it seems as on some games they won't move the first half total at all. If the game total moves to 56, 56.5, or 57, they leave the 1st half at 27.5, with minimal juice. Those couple games the 1st half has stayed under the 1st half total. I don't know, I'm probably reading too much into this, but it's been working and since I can't pick games on my own, I would rather be siding with Pinnacle.

Thanks Sharp for not only enlightening me on how easy it can be to win at sportsbetting, but anyone else who reads this thread. I predict a lot of casinos and off shores out of business at this time next year.

That is is the Myans weren't right, however I am pulling for them.

All the Myans did was stop when the astrological age (Pieces) was over which is the one we are currently in that is identified best with religion and war. We're going into Aquarius now which will be about self-love and enlightenment. There will be no end of the world so cheer up pal and get ready for some fascinating things that go beyond electronics and sports. I know its hard to imagine.

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