The Nephilim – Giants in the Bible

David slaying the giant Goliath – “And there were giants in those days, and after that..”

Numbers 13:31But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. 32And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

When Moses sent his spies to scout the Promised Land so the children of Israel could enter it, the spies reported seeing beings there who were giants. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there were races of people at that time who were so large, that regular sized men appeared as “grasshoppers” before them (other references can be found in Deuteronomy 2:10-11, 2:21, and 3:11 or the story of David and Goliath for starters). And we see that when the great servant of the Lord, Joshua, was sent to conquer the Promised Land that God commands him to kill all of the men, women and children of these giant races. They were to be wiped as if any remnant of their kind would post a great danger.

So what is this all about? The Bible of course has the answers. Since the day Satan was removed from his position serving God and cast out of godly service as the first sinner and a traitor (Ezekiel 28), he has been conspiring to try to thwart God’s plan of creation and redemption for humanity. And part of his conspiracy is what caused the flood in Genesis. This conspiracy is going to play out all the way to the End of Ages and as we know will end with our King and Savior Jesus Christ being triumphant over Satan and his armies.

The Days of Noah

So let’s start with Matthew 24:26. In Matthew 24 Jesus discusses the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed while it was still under construction. This prophecy of course came true in 70 AD when Titus destroyed the temple and Israel as a nation. Everything else in Matthew 24 is discussing the period known as The Tribulation. We know this from Matthew 24:3 which states: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So clearly we see these are questions regarding the end times. And in Matthew 24:36 The Word says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus explains that the times on Earth will be like the days of Noah before the flood. So now we should look to those times to see what made them unique. In Genesis chapter 6 the Bible states: 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now many people have debated whether the “sons of God” refers to angels or men. And this is precisely why we have to examine the Bible as a complete book and not just hang ideas on one verse. First of all, the Hebrew words for the “sons of God” is B’nai Ha Elohim, which would means these are Heavenly beings, giving credence to them being fallen angels. And then we see the children of these sons of God and daughters of men were “mighty men” and of “renown.” They were also “giants.” Something in their genetics made them super-sized people. And it was their fallen angelic parentage.

But again, we must keep searching the Bible to make certain of meaning. The Bible is self-confirming and one passage of Scripture can always be confirmed by another. We see the term “sons of God” next used in the book of Job. Job 2:1 states: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

The Hebrew term here once again is B’nai Ha Elohim. And as we know these sons of God here are clearly Angelic beings who are presenting themselves before The Lord (in Heaven). And Satan is among them (who of course is a fallen cherubim – a type of Heavenly being). So there should be no mistaking what the Hebrew term now means. The implication here is that fallen angels married human women and produced children with them. And this act was so abhorrent to The Lord that He punished them. First with the flood and then with imprisonment.

In Jude 1:6 the Bible states: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Here we see a reference to angels who left their “habitation” and are reserved in chains until Judgment Day. So which angels could these be? Clearly we should all agree that this is not a reference to Satan. Satan is not in hell. He is roaming the Earth seeking to destroy and deceive as many people as possible (see Job 2 again where the devil says he was walking “to and fro” on the Earth). The Devil and most of his fallen angels are on Earth doing spiritual warfare and will not be sent to Hell until their time of Judgment (Revelations 20). The fallen angels being referenced in Jude are the same angels who had relations with “the daughters of men” (human women). We see the immediate reference to Sodom and Gomorrha afterwards indicating sexual sin (in addition to other lascivious behaviors, the men of Sodom were sexually attracted to the male angels staying with Lot). And as for the “habitation” the angels left, it is the spiritual realm. Many scholars say this habitation refers to the fallen angels leaving Heaven, but again that would not explain why they would already be in hell under chains until Judgment Day since the fallen angels are not in Hell yet.

Looking at 1 Peter 3:19 we see more confirmation: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So again we see there are spirits who are “in prison” meaning they are already in bondage of Hell. Hell or Sheol at this time, was the holding place for the unsaved who died and Jesus went there to make a triumph over them (Colossians 2:15). And plus, verse 20 makes it clear that the disobedience of these spirits took place at the time of Noah, right before the flood! So again, it all comes back to this time and the specific activity that caused some of the fallen angels to be put in prison before Judgment.

The book of 2 Peter gives even further confirmation: 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; The angels who are already in Hell are again linked to Noah. Plus there is a reference to the sexual sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So the question at this point is: why were fallen angels doing this? And why was this such a serious offense that the offending angels were put in Hell immediately? The answer lies in Genesis 3:15.

3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall break thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This amazing, beautiful verse is the first promise of a redeemer, our Messiah Jesus Christ. The Lord is telling Satan that the seed of a woman will eventually crush him. Now we know all over the Bible the lines of genealogy are described through men. The same for a seed (i.e., the seed of Abraham). But the one seed spoken of from a woman is Jesus Christ (“Behold a virgin shall conceive a son and His Name shall be Emmanuel..”). The only way we could be saved was through a virgin birth with The Lord providing the baby to a virgin woman. Jesus being both 100% man and 100% God allowed him to take all sins of humanity and save us all. So Satan, seeking to stop this plan thought of a way to corrupt it: by having fallen angels taking women and having children with them! By doing this he could ruin the lineage of the coming Messiah by making him part fallen angel. And to no surprise, the people who were becoming increasingly mixed with fallen angels were becoming increasingly evil.

The corruption was so bad the Lord states: Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. The Lord shows regret for even making any living creatures.

But Noah found Grace in the Eyes of God.

In addition to being a faithful servant to The Lord Genesis 6:9 tells us that Noah was “perfect in his generations.” As opposed to referring to his moral perfection (and Noah of course being a man, was not perfect) this phrase meant was that Noah’s lineage was 100% human. Noah did not have any Nephilim in his family line so he was able to carry on the lineage that would lead to Jesus Christ. Thus the flood was not the judgment out of anger many make it out to be. It was a necessary act to prevent the extinction of humanity and allow us to have salvation through the Messiah. The lineage that led to Jesus was preserved through Noah. And we see Genesis 11 goes to great detail to list the lineage going from Noah to Abraham so there is a record.

Of course Satan continued to conspire against The Lord from that point and continues today. The repeated temptation of the Israelites to worship him (in the form of other gods like Baal and Molech), tempting Christ in the wilderness and then going into Judas to provoke the conspiracy to have Christ killed. All these things fulfilled The Lord’s plan because He all along knows what is going to take place and moves all things, good and evil towards His Ultimate just and righteous Purpose. So in the end times will the Nephilim return? It’s possible. Many speculate the alien phenomena could be a “disguise” for this. But the main point for the Christian is to not be deceived by any of this. Instead, let us rejoice in knowing that no matter what the adversary attempts the ultimate victory lies with Jesus Christ our Risen Savior.

EXCITING NEW ANNOUNCEMENT – JUDGMENT OF THE NEPHILIM

Although we have completed all 7 parts of the Nephilim Series the study is far from over. Beginning And End is very pleased to announce the release of the first comprehensive Biblical study on the giants and the Genesis 6 account – Judgment Of The Nephilim. This is the first time we have agreed to contribute to an external project. A great deal of our own years of research has gone toward this book and it is filled with startling revelations on the giants that you will not find in any other book on this topic. Judgment Of The Nephilim surveys every passage in the Holy Bible on the giants – many which are rarely connected to the Nephilim. Among the many questions it addresses are:

The Biblical location of the heavenly portal used by angels to enter the earthly realm.

Who was the first mother of a Nephilim?

How can an angel have a child with a human woman?

The specific timing and description of God’s punishment of the rebel Sons of God and the Nephilim

How did the Nephilim return after the flood?

The Biblical connection between demons and the Nephilim

How did the Nephilim return after the flood and is the Nephilim DNA around today?

All these answers and many, many more from the Bible. Once our ministry started researching the Nephilim in-depth we realized there was a great deal of untapped, rarely quoted Christian and Jewish writings on the giants that answer many, many of the questions we all have on this thought-provoking topic. Now we have the answers. This is a must-own book if you are a reader on the subject of the Nephilim giants. The trailer is below:

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No where in the bible does it mention Satan was an Angel of God. In fact Jesus called him a liar from the beginning and the father of all lies. Now unless God has more than one spirit. He was created by God for God’s known reason. As an acusor of men. God does not create something and then changes it to another. The watchers, are described in the Bible as angels, that is true, but is time to bring an end to this deception.

Thanks for your comment. Please correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like you are claiming that Satan was created as an evil being as opposed to a good angel who fell. This is a notion that has been expressed in the book Deconstructing Lucifer among others. I strongly disagree with this position. I will provide several reasons why:

“12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”

Living in Eden, being perfect in all ways, visiting the holy mountain of the Lord…these are things the King of Tyrus never did. Clearly a super-human being is view here. And then verse 14 announces that this being is the “anointed cherub that covereth.” So it is my contention that this passage while addressed to the “King of Tyre” is truly addressing the spiritual power behind the king, namely Satan. And verse 15 indicates that Satan was good, untiil iniquity was “found in him.” So Scripture does describe a good and holy being, who later fell into sin and condemnation.

2. Other witnesses in Scripture – 1 Timothy 3, in listing the requirements for a pastor, reinforces this same history of Satan:

This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;…. Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

In very clear language, this passage provides the original sin of Satan: pride. And in his pride, he was lifted up and rebelled against The Lord.

3. The sin of other angels – The book of Jude details angels who were created Holy but later sinned and were judged for it:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Again, in very clear language we are told of angels who left the spirit realm and sinned by fornicating with human women. And now they are chained in the abyss awaiting their final judgment. So we can know, once again, from scripture, that there are angels who were once good but turned evil and rebelled.

My name is minister claude l.ledford jr. In raleigh,nc. I would like to say. I love you in the holy name of Jesus Christ. I pray blessing,s to you in the name of our heavenly father Jesus Christ. I just want to express my love for you as God would have me to do. Let,s praise our heavenly father in all truth. Wait on the Lord with all joy. Our heavenly father is coming soon. Praise the Lord. AMEN!!!!!

Simple question, I’m a christen , but follow the laws of the Old Testament for it is the true testament our lord savior Jesus read. This is a new on to me, Noah was of a pure line, no Giants in his line.? So. We are to believe Satan new Gods plan , to send a 100% pure man no Giants in his line. Interesting enough. Why a birth of question? Why beat my Son for others sins if that be the beginning of yet more sin ? And why not show complete power though Jesus by passing the very cup he asked ? It seems Jesus felt he sealed his own faith an asked for forgiveness. Who really knows what is real or fairy dust. But think for one moment, I send you out as sheep among wolves, why ? Live a Good life an you shall have eternal life in heaven. You say things that clearly cloud the word more, WHY WOULD God repent his behavior by flooding the earth if what you say is true he should wash his hands of it an not question his decision and regret it. He regretted so much he said I’ll never do this again. God is my father, Jesus my holy brother, in our trinity, it’s the father first, son second the Holy Ghost third. Once again, confusion comes into light when Jesus says the only way to the farther is though me! Wow. Then it should be the son, the father and then the Holy Ghost. It makes a lot of since reborn, because of all the sin on earth , God gave us a chance for redemption , you see, Jesus for sure was the son of God, and did great deeds. But to go out in the world and say I give to you the New coverent of my father it open the flood gates of deception , it created all that Jesus warned us of, people like Joel, and so many who preach the word buts walks on floors of Gold like a king. If Jesus came to us an sent out his followers , to spread the word, give to the poor thy self, for fault will always lie in mans heart, and not have man collect money for churches or give to pastors. Build a church for the homeless, feed them , give them a shower to bath, clothes to change into but for Gods sake, don’t give it to one or the other. I don’t really know what Jesus the jew was thinking, I could not amagine the pain he felt that one day of his life. But I do know the pain I feel everyday of my life an so many, so who truly are the ones that feel the pain of hell everyday ,,,his sheep. I been blessed so many times, bitterness isn’t in my blood, but as the holy war is going on, Mose 10 commandments , though shall not Kill ! Is a big one, in God we trust, we follow on our money an court rooms, if he said in Genisis , I am the alpha and the Omaga, it’s pretty clear there is no room for anything else except , he comes first. A lot of christens are being fooled if they believe the Jews, the choose. People aren’t going to heaven cause of a spindle of water on there for head and a fifthy spot to the pastor doing the job is crazy, we are all Gods children an if our father in heaven is going to kick out his people the Jews, then maybe he sent hitler to finish off the ones that didn’t follow the leader. Who knows, man is made in his image, but no one including Jesus said I seen God and he looks like so and so. God bless us all, and Mesus if your reading this, I would have went to one of your concerts, like Elvis or etc, the only problem is, since I missed there concerts, I can still visit there grave stone. I’m sorry but no one took any money they got from spreading your word and marked your grave, for sure brother, this I would have done for you. : )

Hey guys! God bless yall both. Both of you guys make very interesting points,but we all can agree that God is a God of all knowing. Us being human can have flaws in our on understanding. In the readings I seen a lot of words suggesting possibilities of what the the truth is….Timothy 1:4 (Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogiea, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.)We just are not made to know everything. Somethings just need to be followed by faith. Corinthains 1:25 ( Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men). His wisdom can’t be understood by us except what want us to understand. Lets just all agree that he is God and he do what he want.The only limitations he have is the ones he put on himself.

Not so! God’s Holy Word is for us to study! Proverbs tells us to meditate on them day and night, to gain understanding in them. We must not be content with our human limited understanding of scripture, but constantly seeking greater wisdom and praying for God to reveal the mysteries of His Word to us. B&E is correct, scripture is self-confirming, it always backs itself up if the reader is diligent in study. I have seen nothing written here that does not line up with scripture. Interestingly enough, after spending 2 years studying old testament, I came to the exact same conclusions, and after searching the web to verify or counter my findings, stumbled across this site.

23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

If the sons of God were the Angels who were created in the spirit realm…….And are NOT under the laws of the physical to Marry……….Then how did they have sex with humans?

I think God wants us to use our brain some of the time…………….Read Leviticus.

If you read the scripture quoted in Matthew about we neither marry nor are given in marriage, just as the angels in heaven. I think it is important to point out that it does not say angels can not marry, but rather it is not something that is done in heaven. Also, the angels that left their abode, obviously had to leave heaven in order to commit their sexual sins that God said they should not do. I believe the scriptures in the NT as quoted previously from others above/before me confirm the interpretation of fallen angels marrying human woman. As uncomfortable as that is to know or try to comprehend for most of God’s people, I find that it makes the most sense when studying this peculiar verse containing “sons of God” and “daughters of men” found in scripture. I also think that this is going to be part of Satan’s grand deception that will ultimately cause a great falling away and lead to worship of the beast. If you have not researched the modern phenomena of aliens and the past history for the last 200 years, concerning world events and leaders, it might benefit your personal understanding and comprehension of things that happened before the flood. It is also important to note, that for years now, man has been manipulating and playing with human DNA and mixing it which God forbids. The tomb of Gilgamesh, was also supposed to have been found in 2003 by US military in Iraq. This tomb is believed to be Nimrod’s tomb, who has many names. It also says in the book of revelation that the beast will come to be one of the *previous* seven kings. So he will be the 8th king but be a resurrection of Nimrod. We have the technology to use old DNA and create new life. It is only a matter of God’s perfect timing.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Lucifer was an Arc Angel. He then rebelled against God, and was cast out of Heave, where he took one third of the Angels with him, and became who we know as Satan. He can still appear as an Angel of Light.

I would say that an angel, according to the bible, is a messenger. (angelos, in Greek) And ”light”, in the bible, is referred to, as being the word of God. Psalm 119:105 says..Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. So, knowing this, we can say that Satan can appear as a messenger of the word of God. And this is exactly what he does since the beginning. He said to Eve, Did God really say? He uses the same method since that day, (through preachers, so said men of God, pastors, teachers of all kind) in the garden of Eden.

Satan is mentioned in the Bible 4 times. 1 Chronicles 21:1 [ David Numbers the Fighting Men ] Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. Job 1:6 [ Job’s First Test ] One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.” Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth

How is Satan the king of Tyrus? Why would god waste his time over one fallen angel, whist many have fallen. It was Adam, our father, who had iniquity in his heart, for he said in his heart that I will be like the most high! Besides the man of perdition, is not the satan nor an angel, or whatever, it is a man, and his number is 666. We are specifically asked to use wisdom here, for if Gods number is 777′ created the world in 7 days and every number referring to God in the bible, is 7. Man number is 666 meaning it is not perfected. Paul does not say it is the number of a fallen angel, not an evil spirit, It is the number of a man, who is fighting God, and that man was Adam. And Jesus came dying for us , him being the new Adam, the father of mankind. This is somewhere in the scripture. If Satan was an Angel, the bible would be clear about his story, but he was a servant, God will never change a man into an angel, nor an angel into a sepert. Satan was a spirit, not the son of God!

There is only one mention of Lucifer in the bible, meaning dawn of the morning. This has been mistranslated and the meaning changed by the enemies of God, who wish to hide the truth. Adam was created perfect, but he sinned and God took him away from his natural estate. Adam never confessed. Even in the book of Enoch, which is mentioned I think by Paul, thus a righteous man, he goes into detail about the watchers, but no mention of Satan being an Angel. This has been a story in the popular culture, but is is a deception. I suggest you look into it and talk about it in deapth. it will help people open their eyes. Thank you, sorry for being vague but I am at work and cannot get into too much detail. Thank you reading.

Thanks for responding. I understand the disagreement with my interpretation. It can certainly be debated whether or not Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 reference Satan. However, the text certainly seems to support that some supernatural being is in view. Ezekiel 28 refers to the “annointed cherub.” This seems to disqualify Adam. In addition, we are never told of Adam being on a Holy mountain, walking in stones of fire, etc. That is just not in Scripture.

Additionally where in Scripture are we told that God’s number is 777??

You say God would “never change a man into an angel, nor an angel into a serpent.” Again, where does the Bible say this? You seem to be making a lot of assertions and rules that are not listen in Scripture. Furthermore, how do you reconcile this belief with the judgment of Nebuchadnezzar?

“13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; 14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: 15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: 16 Let his heart be changed from man’s, and let a beast’s heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him. 17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men…28 All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.

29 At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon. 30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty? 31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles’ feathers, and his nails like birds’ claws. – Daniel 4.

Nebuchadnezzar was literally turned into a beast by The Lord. So God can indeed change the form of a being and turn into another.

As for the name Lucifer, it was a Latin appellation given to Satan when the Bible was being translated. I know much has been made about this, but I fail to find any significance in it. You say the “enemies of God” wish to “hide the truth.” What truth is being hid? How does the use of the name Lucifer once in Isaiah 14 change the message of the Bible? I fail to see the argument here. I don’t know if you have read Deconstructing Lucifer, but I have and it makes all these arguments, so I am familiar with this line of thinking. I just don’t really get the significance.

“Adam was created perfect, but he sinned and God took him away from his natural estate.” Sorry, I disagree with your analogy here. It was Eve who sinned first, opening the door for Adam to sin. The original sin wasn’t eating of a fruit…That is taken to literally. The sin was disobedience against god. They had sex with each other, hence afterwards they felt ashamed and covered themselves….Essentially the first 3 some…..Eve gave birth to 2 boys 1 from Adams seed 1 from Lucifer’s seed. It also talks about the fallen angles coming down and taking human women in the bible, it’s only mentioned 1 or 2 times, which is one of the reasons God caused the flood to cleanse the earth of the impue creatures not created in God’s image. Adam and Eve were also NOT the first humans on the planet. This is proven when Cain is banished from the garden for killing his brother. He leaves and creates a new life in the east, Modern Asia/Middle East. How is this possible if Adam and Eve were the only 2 humans on the planet? Did Cain procreate with a sister, no I don’t think so. The only true statement is God created man, Adam, in his image. Meaning Adam was the first created in Gods own image, creating the blood line for Jesus. No where in the bible does it say Adam was the first human…..

This was the first time I have read something from someone that seems to coincide with what I see and understand. I put it into a short document and didn’t know what to do with it. I will post it here as theBob seems to understand it also.

Why Human Life exists Where Human Life came from Your purpose for being here Why is there so much evil here

* God, Creator, He is that He is. ( I AM) No beginning-No End. (Exodus 3:14) * His first Creation was His only Begotten Son. (We call Jesus) (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:6) (Jesus called Him “Father.”) * I Am ‘Spoke:’ (bang)’ the Worlds/ Universes, into existence. . … ( Psalm 33:9) * Other sons of God were created by Him, (myriads of them) (sons of God, spirits/angels/messengers’, different ranks of angels). ( I Thessalonians 4:16; Jude 9; Daniel 10:21; 12:1) Seven Arch Angels are named in the Book of Enoch; Two in the BIble) * They dwell in His Domain ( the third Heaven) and go back and forth to earth. * Many Solar Systems were created in the ‘second’ heavens. (space) ( Genesis 1:1) * [Vegetarian creatures were created here in an earlier earth age, and then carnivorous and perhaps other creations prior and former earth ages.] (Author’s reasoning) * It ended in wickedness and a worldwide famine and flood causing earth to become and remain void of life for a period of time prior to the creation and design of humans. (Genesis 1:2) * GENESIS: God (Eloheim) and His sons (angels, spirits) in God’s heaven, decide to re-create the planet earth. (Another earth age) (“Let Us” Genesis 1:26,27) * Thus: OUR history begins in the first book in the Bible, ‘a summary of Genesis. ‘ They, Creator God (Eloheim) and His angels/sons, re-create a nice Earth that has been void and uninhabited for an unlimited time.. * A rebellion occurred in God’s Heaven ( 3rd heaven), and one son, Lucifer (angel), due to his pride, was removed and cast out of the third heaven to this planet, Earth, in our universe. A third of the others sons (spirits) also rebelled and were removed.. ( Luke 10:18; Revelation 12:7-12; Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17) * Then God has a Plan to test all of His remaining beloved sons; He created flesh, in His likeness, His image, for them to dwell in;( a Tent) to Be Born of Water (woman) and live a short life on the re-created planet Earth, to see if they will, without former memory, freely choose Him as their FATHER. (we must be born of water and the spirit to enter into the kingdom of God) ( John 3:5 ) * God, who is Spirit (Holy), with the help of his angels (Gen 1:26, Gen 3:22), create different races of men and women and told them to multiply on the sixth day or age. ( 2 Peter 3:8 “ With the Lord, one day is like a thousand years…”) * For possibly 2,000 years, humans multiplied on the earth. * Then let’s move Genesis chapter 6 up before Genesis Chapter 2. A war took place in the heavenly where our Spiritual Father and his created ‘sons’ dwell. As formerly mentioned, Lucifer led 1/3 of the myriads of angels into rebellion; ‘fallen-rebellious angels/sons,’ where cast down to the earth. * They took human women as wives and procreated offspring with them. (Genesis 6, Book of Enoch and other scriptures.) Their DNA is mixed into the human race through several thousand years, thus, evil began to rule throughout the human race. They were no longer ‘innocent’ as little children, They grew into ‘cult-ture’/environment; they were embedded with ‘good and evil.’ * Then, God/Eloheim (‘they) ‘ create another race of man, called Adam (ruddy colored) with the knowledge to cultivate and grow food…and placed him in a garden/ a fertile soiled area. He created a ‘woman/helpmate’ for the man from his own DNA (bone/rib). They had the same blood type/Rh factor, etc) They were ‘free’ from the ‘cult-ure/environment’ from the former humans, whose DNA was defiled with evil. They were alone in this remote area that provided their needs. No knowledge of pain, fear, hunger, nakedness, insecurities…they communicated with their Creator and His sons/angels. * (Jesus/ the Messiah/God’s only begotten Son, had to come through a pure line without that DNA which is why Genealogy was so important to the Jews. * Then the Testing began. * In the Garden of Eden, Lucifer appears as a beautiful male angel (Original Hebrew word could be translated serpent or shinning one) and beguiles (seduces/sexually) Eve and Adam. Adam was told not to partake of the ‘tree of the knowledge of good and evil or they would die.) Both partook. (Genesis 3:4-6) “And the serpent/ or shinning one said to the woman: No, you shall not die, for God knows that in the day that you eat, your eyes will be opened and you shall be like the gods/angels, knowing good and evil.” Eve conceives 2 sons; One, Cain, is the seed of Lucifer; Abel, the son of Adam. Neither are listed in Adam’s genealogy! (Genesis 5, I Chronicles 1, Luke 3:38) (IMMEDIATELY AFTER DISOBEYING THEIR CREATOR, they became aware of their NAKEDNESS and covered their GENITALS. Punishment from God comes upon our first ancestors: The woman will have pain during childbirth, and her desire will be towards her husband (Who did Eve have a desire for prior to Adam??). The man will have to work hard for his food); (Cain and Able are twins- Eve continued in labor after having Cain and bore Abel.) ( Genesis 4:2) ‘Heteropaternal superfecundation’,’ Twins can have two different fathers.) (One brother killed the other out of jealousy-hatred) This is why we have war and. . .. . .. . …evil. (note Gen:6), and all of this we inherited. God ‘protected ’ Cain’s life….But why did HE? There was a city where Cain went for refuge and married and had children. Cain’s genealogy of his children is recorded in Genesis 4.

I wonder why God allowed Cain to live and what kind of mark He put on him that kept him safe from others taking his life? (Genesis 4:15,16) Was he the first offspring of Lucifer? (There is an answer to every question; but He only reveals what He wants us to know, if we want to know, and if we seek an answer from HIM.) * Wars, terror, evil, killing has dwelt amongst ‘cult-ures’ for thousands of years. Many generations of mankind were born and died. God’s Spirit still dwelt with some, but mankind over-all, still preferred to do things his own way………and preferred not to listen to those Prophets and Holy Ones whom God sent and still sends. * God had a plan, and HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, FIRST OF ALL CREATION, first Angel (Colossians 1:15) was willing to BE His Father’s WORD to mankind. To live in a body of mortal flesh, lead a sinless life, do all good things, and because of Jealousy from Lucifer and his offspring, (Satan’s Seed), Jesus, ( “Jehovah” to the Hebrew nation), God’s first begotten son, agreed to be painfully crucified (as prophesied), as a payment, in order to Buy Back (Redeem) the spirits/angels (his brothers-us) ( Mark 3:35) inside our temporary bodies, promising us a new body “mansion’ ( John 14:2) and resurrection from the dead. He became our Redeemer, Savior, co-Creator, and King and Lord. Due to His love and obedience, He was given ‘all authority on Earth and will Judge the living and the dead on the Great Day of God. Through Him, Jesus, who brought His Father’s Words, made the Way for us to once again, communicate with our Father. We can now ‘ Know and Choose to Know our Father. (intimately)’ God’s will is that we choose this Relationship here, with Jesus and His Father, while still in these mortal bodies (John 17:3 ) ‘and this is eternal life, knowing the Father and His Son, Christ Jesus;’ If we ‘choose’ this relationship and ‘sanctify’ ourselves. “What does the Lord require of a you, but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.’(Michah 6:8) * We will have an Eternal Home and Eternal life, when we shed this body of flesh. Being ‘resurrected and returning to our former home.” We will have a spirit body, like Jesus did after He resurrected, that will never get sick or die. (an immortal ‘mansion’ body rather than a decaying mortal ‘tent’ body.) We will be known by those there that knew us when we were there before.. ( I Corinthians 13:12) (Our Father and Jesus knew us before we were born here! (Jeremiah 1:5 ) -“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born”) ( born of water/woman) * Jesus said “you MUST be born of Water and the Spirit.” (John 3:4-6) * If we don’t choose Him as our Father and Jesus as our Lord, we could perish! (John 10:28.) * Is there ‘marriage between man and woman’, after leaving these bodies and being resurrected to eternal life? Jesus was asked this question. His answer: (Matthew 22:23 ) “you will be like the angels.” In other words, ‘no.’ Angels don’t marry. You will be known by others as you were known previously to being born of water/woman, in these flesh bodies, for this temporary time on this earth. (David writes in Psalm 103:20 –“Praise the Lord, you his angels. . .. . .who obey His word. . …) * God’s Son, Jesus (as we know Him), rose from the dead, 3 days after burial, and was seen by over 500 people at one time and walked, talked and ate with them 40 days. They Watched Him ascend above the clouds, with other angels, until they could no longer see Him. * He said He would return in the same manner as they saw Him leave. (John: 14) “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God, (Jehovah/Yehovah/Ya/Yahweh is the name as God identified himself to the Hebrew people), believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? ( A new, non-perishing, non-decaying body like Jesus had after He resurrected) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”)

* He said He will return . . .. . .. . ..We should always be ready. . .. . the anointed writings in the Bible give us signs to when he will return. God always hears a repentive heart. His Holy Spirit is our Teacher and will give us every answer to every question we ask, if we truly seek answers from Him and if He decides we are ready for them. (John 14:26) “If you abide in Me and My Words (Father’s Words) abide in you, ask Anything and it will be done for you.” (John 15:7 )

Our purpose here on Earth: To develop a Relationship with our Father (God) through Jesus, His son, who makes the way for us to go back to our Father for eternity.

Thank you, B&E and Christian. I believe it the way you present it. Everything must be backed up by scripture. Christian, you have put much into this study and your truths are backed up it seems to me. Also, I have gained new knowledge that is Holy Spirit confirmed within me. Thank you for that. Love this site. I, too believe that UFO’s are Nephalim or in the least, evil. There is a book by Rebecca Brown, an oncologist called “He Came to Set the Captives Free”. Well worth every Christian reading it. It tells many things about the evil realm. Spirit realm. Great site, again, thank you B&E.

One of the many sagas of organized religion is the story of Lucifer. As the story goes, Lucifer was a high ranking archangel, the leader of the heavenly choir; that he along with Michael and Gabriel ruled the heavenly host. Then Lucifer, as the story goes, led a revolt against God taking a third of the angelic host with him. In the fable, Lucifer and his followers were cast down to Earth where Lucifer became God’s arch-foe, Satan.

For the most part Isaiah 14:12-27 and Ezekiel 28:1-19 are used to support this position but as with most religious fables there are scriptural problems. For a start, Lucifer is a Latin term used only in the King James translation; it occurs only once. (Isa 14:12) This is an inadequate scriptural basis for a mainline church doctrine. Look at verse 16; Lucifer is a man, not a spirit. In verse 15 the word hell is in reality means the grave. In verse 19: a carcass (dead body); a spirit does not have a carcass. Note too, thy grave; a spirit has no grave. Clearly the prophet is not speaking about Satan.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet. Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Now lets look at Ezekiel: In verse 2 the prince of Tyrus is a man. In verses 8 and 10, Thou shall die. Again a spirit cannot die. As before, the prophet is not speaking of a spirit, but of a man.

Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; Eze 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas. Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. Eze 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Now lets look at what scripture said about Satan: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8) The Amplified Bible has this interesting note concerning this noted LUCIFER: “Some students feel that the application of the name Lucifer to Satan is erroneous, even though it is commonly taught to that effect. Lucifer, THE LIGHT BRINGER, is the Latin equivalent of the Greek word phosphoros, which is used as a title of Christ in II Peter 1: 19 (…until the DAY STAR arise in your hearts.) and corresponds to the name `BRIGHT MORNING STAR’ in Rev. 22:16, which Jesus called Himself. The application of the name Lucifer has only existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the supposition that Luke 10:18 (I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven) is an explanation of Isaiah 14:12, which authorities feel is not true.” Satan was a murderer and a liar from the time he was created. He was never an exalted archangel. He was never a worship leader in heaven. He was never Lucifer, the light bearer. Satan was created as murderer and a liar. He was created as a waster and a destroyer. I have created the waster to destroy. (Isaiah 54:16)

If not Satan, then just who was Lucifer, the light bearer? Before Jesus there was only one man that could even come close to the description given by the prophets: that man was Adam! Read again the above scriptures with an open mind and you will see Adam. Before the fall he was full of wisdom and beauty; he was in the Garden of Eden; he walked on the holy mountain of God. Both prophets were speaking of Adam before and after the fall.

For there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers–itching in the hearing, and indeed, from the truth the hearing they shall turn away, and to the fables they shall be turned aside. (2 Titus 4:3,4)

3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

…..6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

This one passage refutes the entire article. Scripture is clear that Satan fell into condemnation due to his pride. Thus we know he had to have once been good, in order to “fall” and then be “condemned.” I have yet to see one article or book on this topic that addresses this very clear verse.

Ret, I am very much interested in you thoughts of alien abductions. I like everything you have posted on this site. I see you have studied all of this in depth. I want to know what you know concerning all of this. I have only recently begun to study on he biblical account of the giants and the fallen angels.

Meg is correct. [although I have not considered her theory of Adam being Lucifer]

Isaiah 14:12 does not refer to Satan. That verse belongs to a prophecy regarding the king of Babylon.

Ezekiel 28 does not refer to Satan either but to a man, the ruler of Tyre.

Ezekiel 28:1 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, This is what the Lord has said; Because your heart has been lifted up, and you have said, I am a god, I am seated on the seat of God in the heart of the seas; but you are man and not God, though you have made your heart as the heart of God

Is God contradicting himself then, saying that Satan was created of the utmost beauty and wisdom, perfect, then calls him a murder and a liar with no truth ever created in him, and thus from the beginning? Which is it?

Meg, I believe you are only here to create disharmony. You are not actually looking for answers to your questions and I don’t think you are even interested in the answers being given to you. Such is the position of those who are not looking for the truth, but are only interested in spouting lies.

Since when is satan a man, the verse clearly states he falls into the condemnation of the devil, as Adam did! He chose SatanS deceptions and not God, and satan did not walk in the gardens of Eden. Even is he was an angel, since when did angels enjoy the garden of Eden made for man, you reduce to answer my last question still, sin cannot touch God, not its kingdom, yet the devil satan was made a muderor, and created with no truth at all, open your mind, pray. It will come to your understAnding, the last verse you send just proves my point, God is interested in man! His beef is with man not an angel.

That is why the Watcher, were never forgiven, God did not go into a war with them, he banished them forever, why would God engage in a fued with a fallen Angel, is he that petty? No, it is out of his deep love for us, that he has let time unfold as it has, and will continue, to unfold as he has told. You need to start reading the bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not what you are taught. Thank you.

blessings meg, please read phillipians 2. he always had the nature of God from the beginning, by his own will, he gave up ………………….’ he was with God he was like God[same authority] but he gave up all His honour and took up the form of a servant he took on the form of a human being. he came and lived among us in humility and obedience up to the hour of his death on the cross. my statements above seems to be feeble but think about the transformation that took place before our Lord Jesus Christ was revealed to us. Our lord Jesus Christ tells us that the ruler of this world [SATAN] is coming and he has nothing in common with Him[Jesus]. satan is an evil spirit which is yet to be revealed as a man that the bible talks a bout and when this takes place all the scriptures you quoted above will be manifested to the simple minded if God wills because during those days ,life will be almost unbearable as you know.

6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I understand where you come from in the sons of God being Nephilim and great article by the way. But another thought came to mind, just before this verse I believe, it states Cains bloodline and then Seths bloodline. Could that indicate that YHWH is showing the line of the son of man (Cain/a mighty hunter) who fell also and was cast out of the sight of God and not a son of God anymore, and Seth (son of God/still walking in Gods ways) so saying it this way…That the sons of God (Seth) saw that the daughters of Cain (man completely seperated from God) were fair, and mixed with them (like Israel did with the moabite women/ that He commanded NOT to mix with as they would lead them astray to worship false gods) and Nephilim also means, fallen, like Cain had and was not walking in Gods ways, AND rebellious as in a giant rebellion, like there is today? So it also could mean that there was a giant fallen rebellion in those days when Seths sons went into Cains daughters and after that (after that does not state after the flood either. some have interpreted this meaning after the flood, but it does NOT say that) and this mixed bloodline made mighty men of renown. The infuence of ungodliness, just look at the world today. This is just another way I have looked at. Also we who know the Lord, still come before the Lord like in Job, I come before Him everyday when I study His word, and praise Him. Satan who WAS going to and fro from the earth doesn’t mean they were in heaven nor does it state it, he just came beside man also. He is roaming around us today when we present ourselves to the Father. Does what am saying make sense? Just my thoughts on it, but you did put some puzzle pieces together for me with the “immortals article” I am still pondering on all of this. Enough to make ones mind spin, and praying that YHWH will give me more insight to all of this.

Thanks very much. I’m glad you enjoyed the article. Now as far as the Sons of God being the line of Seth, I think that the verses from Job do indicate a heavenly gathering. For more on this see Psalm 82 (where God sits among a council of “gods”). Another passage to look at would be in 1 Kings chapter 22: 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 21And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. 22And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. I think if you look at this passage we get an even greater indication of the “meeting arrangements” in Heaven. God does indeed meet with both good and evil angels in Heaven. Just something to consider.

I also think the passages from Jude and 2 Peter chapter 2 with reference to the angels who sinned, demonstrate that there are certain evil angels who are presently imprisoned for sexual sins. And their crime involved going after “strange flesh.” Those passages in context, demonstrate that there were some type of illicit relations. And then when 2 Peter 2 specifically mentions the time of the flood and Noah being spared in connection with those angels being punished, it all ties together – evil angels, at the time of Noah, married human women and had Nephilim offspring. And were punished for this.

A final thing to consider would be why there were giants at all? Giants are referenced in Genesis 6 and Deuteronomy 13 among other passages. Something happened to the human gene pool that led to these enormous, powerful, demonic beings suddenly being born throughout Canaan. And God often commanded that these same beings be wiped out completely. Again, when seen in totality, it all makes sense that their elimination was necessary to preserve humanity and bring forth the Messiah. I hope that helps clarify things. God bless.

Thanks for your answers I will study those passages to make myself a good berean 🙂 Like I said, ” Alot to ponder on”. So when were all of them wiped out, when Joshua led Israel into Canaan? I should know this, is that why Goliath and he also had a few brothers I have been told, were the last of their kind? So the Nephilim will be realeased once more when Satan opens the abyss and that same rebellion will happen again like in the days of Noah? This is why we dont see this stuff today? Who are the demons that Yahshua(Jesus) casts out. Are they fallen angels as well or seperate. I have never really studied this stuff before. Sorry, my wheel is spinning.

The last mention of Nephilim is in 2 Samuel 21. It seems that the final descendants of the Nephilim were among the Philistines, who again, were enemies of Israel. King David and his armies defeated the last of them. Goliath, who was the Philistine Champion, was a giant. And the giants at Gath were called descendants of the giants, and were still of supernatural size in addition to having six fingers and six toes on each hand and foot respectively (2 Sam 21). The spirits of the Nephilim (known as demons or “unclean spirits” in the New Testament) were sent to the abyss, but it appears some still roam the Earth. Hence the fear of the demons called Legion who encounter Jesus in the Gospels. They beg not to be sent to the abyss and Jesus grants their request. But the abyss or pit will be opened in the end times as seen in Revelation chapter 9 at the 5th trumpet. “23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees’ part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.”

The Bible makes distinctions repeatedly between a demon or “spirit” and an angel. I believe the demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim. Hence their constant desire for a corporeal body (even going into pigs as we saw with the demons called legion). Whereas angels have celestial bodies. In any event, while their interaction since The Lord Jesus’ ascension has clearly been limited, in the Great Tribulation, both the fallen angels and demonic forces will once again openly interact with humanity.

Great article sir! I thought I might chime into this conversation and give me two sense. I actually have studied this quite in depth myself over the last several years and believe I have a nugget I can add to this conversation.

When the Bible says that Noah was “perfect in his generations” as you mentioned at the end of your article, the Hebrew word used there for the word “perfect” is tamiym, which means “without blemish” or “healthy.”

The reason that is so important is because that is the exact same Hebrew word used in Leviticus to describe an unblemished, sacrificial lamb.

So yes you are correct this means Noah was not perfect morally, but that his physical make up -DNA – had not been contaminated with Nephillim descent.

The line of Seth and line of Cain theory is easy to discredit if you study Hebrew. God Bless! Come quickly Lord Jesus!!

I have enjoyed all the conversation and article very much! Thanks! I have recently been studying this subject and I am wondering if you know WHEN these fallen angels were bound? They seem to have married women AFTER the flood. They are in Canaan and you (as well as others) say Goliath was the last one. Yet we do see giants after Goliath. Their bones have been dug up. Also, St. Christopher is said to have come from Canaan and was a Nephilim with a head resembling a dog. Some just say he was extremely ugly but he is depicted with a dog’s head many times. Possibly the later giants were not as tall but we have seen some as tall as Goliath. What do you scholars think? When were they bound?.

Personally, I do not believe that the Nephilim ever ceased to exist- Moreover, though those who propagated them in Noah’s time were bound around the time of the flood (near as can be told from Bible study), this does not mean that others are not still attempting the same tired tactic.

If there’s one thing I have learned with my own interaction with the ‘Forces of Darkness,’ as it were, it is that they never truly learn.

Hi RETS! I’m enjoying your contributions to the conversation! I know the Book of Enoch is not currently considered scripture by Christianity in general (although it was at one time). The fact that Jesus made reference to it is good enough for me to consider the book as accurate. According to Enoch, there were 200 angels who procreated with human women and they have all been bound someplace other than earth (and they will never be forgiven). God said they would see the death of their sons and the spirits of their children would be left on earth and called evil spirits. So, if we believe that then we know Nephilim are still here in the form of evil spirits. I agree the Nephilim may still be trying to procreate but without a body that would be impossible. If some of the ‘watchers’ or other angels had succeeded in reproducing with women I think we would all know about it. When they did it the first time, they consumed mankind and let’s just say everyone knew they were around. 🙂

Kathy Cavoores: Hi RETS! I’m enjoying your contributions to the conversation!I know the Book of Enoch is not currently considered scripture by Christianity in general (although it was at one time).The fact that Jesus made reference to it is good enough for me to consider the book as accurate.According to Enoch, there were 200 angels who procreated with human women and they have all been bound someplace other than earth (and they will never be forgiven).God said they would see the death of their sons and the spirits of their children would be left on earth and called evil spirits. So, if we believe that then we know Nephilim are still here in the form of evil spirits.I agree the Nephilim may still be trying to procreate but without a body that would be impossible.If some of the ‘watchers’ or other angels had succeeded in reproducing with women I think we would all know about it.When they did it the first time, they consumed mankind and let’s just say everyone knew they were around.

I too hold that the book of Enoch can potentially be considered inspired- But the question comes to: “What part of the book of Enoch is original?”

You see, Christ and Jude both quoted from only the very first chapter, and while everything within that first chapter agrees with the Bible as a whole, there are parts within the rest of the book which do not. Thus, it is plausible that the entire book of Enoch written by the original author was no more than that first chapter, with the rest of the book being written by a “ghost writer” much later.

Also, let’s go ahead and look at what is needed for procreation. Aside from the obvious physical aspects, it is necessary for there to be both the soul and the spirit. The soul is not too difficult, regardless of what has been traditionally thought: The soul is comprised of the will, the mind and the emotions. The spirit, on the other hand, is far more difficult. Now, let’s go ahead and think about some of the things which are normally only reported on in the tabloids: Alien abductions. What is the common thread throughout these events? With few exceptions, there is the feeling of loneliness, fear/terror, and of course the violation of person. The fact that the tabloids are the rags carrying these stories should not dissuade anyone from looking into these stories… A few years ago, I tracked down a woman who had been featured in the Weekly World News prior to its dissolution. The “alien pregnancy” they reported on was now a six year old boy. She was understandably loathe to speak with me, but I assured her I would never reveal who she was, and that my interest was purely personal. After reassuring her, I discovered that this young man, at the age of six, had a vocabulary to match most university scholars; he was doing advanced math; reading books on quantum physics, and generally was a genius in all senses of the term. He also stood over four feet tall- At six.

I do not profess to understand the HOW of the matter: I only state unequivocally that it is taking place. She is not the only woman to have given birth to such a child; according to statistics from the seventies, there are between 25 and 30 such births every year- And so-called “alien encounters” have only increased. What’s more, these children are absolutely going to be men and women of renown, provided that they do not burn out before reaching adulthood. This only goes that much further in pointing to this still taking place.

I have a few theories on this phenomena, but I’ll hold off on them unless you and/or BaE are really interested in them. In the meantime, may I suggest looking up Josh Allum on YouTube? His video and accompanying playlist “The Alien Conspiracy” is first rate, and he and I are on the same page a great deal.

Greetings RETS! I do appreciate your diligent research. In the interest of brevity I will only say a few things. 1) One of my family members is 5 yrs old and 4’5″ tall. A 6 year old is not a giant at 4 ft tall. 2) I am familiar with the Alien Conspiracy. I don’t believe Nephilim are either being created or reproducing anything. I do think there is a lot of trash going on out there in the world but I don’t live in the world. I live in the Kingdom of God. The Boss over me has been given all power in heaven and in earth. Whatever is working wickedness has already been judged and their judgment is written. Nothing will change that. 3) I’m wondering why the Illuminati is allowing all their secrets to be blasted on You Tube. Even your “eye” picture could be interpreted as a symbol proving you are a member of the Illuminati. 4) I must stick to the simplicity of Jesus. He spoke so idiots like me could understand that nothing shall by any means harm us. His wonderful Holy Spirit still bears witness to the truth so we don’t have to be led astray and succumb to fear. It doesn’t matter who wrote something thousands of years ago because we have a living Witness to the truth. God bless you my brother. Have peace.

If the flood was around 3000BC, where the modern historical record starts in the fertile crescent, just south of Arrarat, and they were imprisoned for 70 generations at 70 years per generation, then an estimated year of release would be roughly 1900AD… I find it more than coincidental or conjecture that from the year 1900 to even the early 60’s, the world went from horse and buggy to spaceflight… The bound fallen angels also brought heavenly knowledge to0 the earth as well. Metallurgy, war craft, pharmacological knowledge, astrology, astronomy, as well as many other tyes of knowledge, some of which we are now just rediscovering for some reason. I am not presuming this to be fact, just an educated guess.

Hi Yolanda! From what I have studied, Jewish tradition says that Og held onto the top of the ark and survived the flood that way. They have quite a story about Noah throwing him food etc. I do respect the Jewish traditional stories because they have always kept careful records of their history. I am inclined to believe this one since I have heard no other explanation and the giants did seem to disappear with Og. and his sons. Possibly St. Christopher had some DNA or genes in his family from the Nephilim offspring….I’m still researching myself.

Thanks for this great discussion. I am familiar with some of the ancient Jewish sources that say Og hung onto the ark. It’s very interesting that in ancient Jewish culture, and even modern Orthodox culture, there is no debate about the Nephlim – they believe(d) 100% in the Genesis 6 account.

I think the Bible also points to another possibility: that the wives of one or more of Noah’s sons carried the Nephilim genes and thus allowed for giants to re-appear after the flood. I have done a LOT of research on the Nephilim giants in the past month for a new article that covers all of the groups of giants in scripture before and after the flood (there are many), their major influence in the struggles of the Israelites and their bloodline that can be traced through scripture.

I am in agreement with you both that there was no further angel/human intermarrying after the flood. The post-flood giants were descendants of other giants. And as succeeding generations were born, they did get smaller, which is also detailed in scripture. So please, stay tuned. God bless.

The possiblity of uncleanliness being in one of Noahs Sons is supported by Gensis 9:22-25

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Canaan was a descedent of Ham who did something to Noah while he was drunken asleep. We can speculate if just looking at Noah bare was the sin or something more perverse I dont know anywhere else in the Bible that speaks of this incident. But whatever it was we know that Abraham told Issac not to marry a Canaanite Woman which came from Ham’s lineage. On another note ” I be going Ham, letting people know who I am!” is a slogan that rappers have used so they maybe telling us what they represent. Just a thought. Good discussion altogether this validates the evil world we live in and should motivate us to do the Will of God: Repent, Believe, and Love.

However, with that last bit, regarding ham? That is “H.A.M.,” and it stands for “H.ard A.ssa M.uthaf****.” It is a phrase originally coined by Jay-Z and Kanye West in their collaborative album. Moreover, it is not a phrase that ALL rappers use. Quite honestly, most of us consider the phrase to be stupid and ignorant, taking an art form we love and making it a joke.

I only bring this up because as Christians, we have a duty to not only present the truth, but to do so with accuracy; to be beyond reproach- Not just in what we do but also what we say and how we say it.

But Ham did have sex with his mother and produced Canaan………..The child was cursed by Noah as it would bring in deformities……..Cush, sired Nimrod who married his own mother and produced a “god”…..(cherry god). Shem then killed Cush because of the child sacrifices that are still happening around the world in covens and Groves..today!

The laws of Leviticus about sexual behavior are still the laws that most decent people keep to this day…….Even though they say the law of Moses is obsolete!! And we have far too much proof of the terrible circumstances where children are born with two heads and some with many legs…….Mostly because of incestual parents..

Quote from Truthinlove: Canaan was a descedent of Ham who did something to Noah while he was drunken asleep. We can speculate if just looking at Noah bare was the sin or something more perverse I dont know anywhere else in the Bible that speaks of this incident. But whatever it was we know that Abraham told Issac not to marry a Canaanite Woman which came from Ham’s lineage. On another note ” I be going Ham, letting people know who I am!” is a slogan that rappers have used so they maybe telling us what they represent. Just a thought. Good discussion altogether this validates the evil world we live in and should motivate us to do the Will of God: Repent, Believe, and Love.

And this is a very good reason why “Christains” should understand the laws of God……..It clearly states in Leviticus that a man uncovered is about sexual things……..Read this law and then understand that Ham must have had sex with his mother while Noah was becoming a drunk!!

The brothers obviously knew what was happening while Noah was sleeping it off…………The bothers then covered there heads as if to state that they wouldn’t have anything to do with this vile incident…………Some idiot even think that the brothers of Ham took a cloth and literately covered their heads and walked backward into the tent to cover Noah………Anyone with any sense would read it like it’s written and know the brothers were disgusted at what took place and then Noah discovered that his wife was pregnant……….He then cursed the child because it would have that deformed seed in it………….And after Canaan produced Nimrod who had sex with his mother…………Even marrying her and brought in child sacrifices………….Shem killed Cush because of this!!!

Noah’s wife was the infected gene as HE was the last in HIS generation………..He had to marry a Canaanite woman or partly mixed race…………Noah was the end of the perfect seed of God from Adam. And by waiting 500 years before he married then he must have looked over most of what he could do to bring in the rest of mankind……….. And if Ham had sex with his mother, then this would again bring in a deformed gene pool who then produced Canaan, Cush, and the evil Nimrod who married his own mother and brought in child sacrifices!

Notice Noah’s sons are NOT mentioned in Genealogical order like the sons of God from Seth to Noah.. This is a very good point for us to take note that Noah sons produced a mixed seed………..And that is who we are on this earth today……….And we are so far gone in the gene pool that we can’t last much longer than 80 years!

Noah could not have married a Canaanite woman since the Canaanites were descended from his own sons.

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Wrong! Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool.

Cain was marked by God………………..And then his linage had to be destroyed, but Noah had to marry and carry his perfect seed over the flood…………..His wife then brought in the offspring of Cain through Ham her son!

Valerie: Wrong!Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool.

And your biblical basis for this seemingly nonsensical tripe is…?

Valerie:Cain was marked by God………………..And then his linage had to be destroyed, but Noah had to marry and carry his perfect seed over the flood…………..His wife then brought in the offspring of Cain through Ham her son!

Aside from the lack of biblical support… You DO realize that the mark God put upon Cain was a blessing and not a curse, right?

Is supposed to read “IF YOU bother to read the Bible…” thus making the whole first part:

Valerie: It bother to read the Bible you will then know it was both……….A blessing to save his life, but a curse to hunt him down

As anyone who has read through my responses to this and other articles on B&E’s site, I not only read but study the Bible, and more than most people, for that matter. The mark was a blessing- It was not a curse.

The mark was put into place because of the curse God had already placed upon him. It was a sign of protection; it was an act of mercy; and it was a symbol of His love, if one gets right down to it- But the mark itself was not a curse. Furthermore, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the mark placed upon Cain being meant for anything other than protection. It was placed there to prevent people from hunting him down, not to hunt him down.

Your theology (if indeed it can be called that) on this is archaic, really. I say that because you are using the same line of reasoning which led people in the 1500’s through the 1800’s to believe wholeheartedly that blacks were inferior and worthy of enslavement. Their belief was grounded in the idea that the mark which God placed upon Cain was darkened skin, and that it was passed to all of his descendants, thus making them a cursed race, and less than the so-called civilized world. The entire theory, however, was predicated upon the belief that the mark of Cain was also his curse. The Bible, however, makes very clear that such is not the case. See for yourself:

Genesis 4:9-16 Authorized King James Version: And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

The chain of events in this passage are as follows: 1. Cain is questioned by the Lord regarding the death of his brother Abel. 2. Cain denies knowledge of the event. 3. The Lord demonstrates His omniscience by telling Cain that He knows what happened. 4. The Lord curses Cain to wander; to never again successfully till the ground; to be a fugitive (though the argument could be made that this was more a statement of fact than curse, as he’d be on the run from his own family anyway); and to be a vagabond (that is, one living in exile, not one constantly wandering the earth- We often run into a translation issue here). 5. Cain complains that his punishment is too much to bear (and it really is a lot of whining- “Everyone who finds me will kill me!”) His complaint takes up a full two verses, 13 and 14.

It is only at this time that we see anything about a mark being placed upon Cain. Moreover, the mark is placed there to do what? According to the Word of God Himself: “If anyone attempts to kill Cain, vengeance will be taken upon that person seven-fold.” The mark set him apart from other people, yes- But also protected him from everyone else.

First, we have Adam and Eve themselves; their foolishness was perhaps borne out of naivety, yet their foolishness cost them the Garden of Eden and their lives. (Genesis 3)

Second, we have Noah himself; his only claim to righteousness, as stated in Hebrews 11:7, was obedience. The man obviously had little to no control over his sons; and in his rage, cursed not just the son who offended him, but his grandson as well.(Genesis 9:20-27)

Thirdly, there is Abraham. A man who brought a cantankerous nephew on a journey into the wilderness (Genesis 12:4-5); who offered his wife up to a ruler as his sister twice (Genesis 12:11-16; 20:1-2); who allowed his wife to run the family to such a degree that when she suggested he sleep with her maid he agreed without hesitation (Genesis 16:2-4)- The list of foolish acts done by this man goes on.

Fourthly, there is Isaac, for choosing favorites (Genesis 25:28) and doing exactly as his father had done in offering his wife up as his sister (Genesis 26:6-7).

Fifth is Esau, who gave away his birthright- One of the ultimately most foolish acts in Genesis- For a bowl of soup (Genesis 25:29-34). Yet God used him to protect his brother in the end (Genesis 33:1-16).

Sixth is Jacob, whom God renamed Israel after physically wrestling with him (Genesis 32:24-30). Jacob was cunning, but he was about as dumb as they come when it came to simply living. This is the man who, in fear of his own life, sent everyone ahead of him into the land of his father- Leaving himself alone and defenseless (Genesis 32:1-24).

Seventh is Joseph- The yappy little brat who didn’t know enough to keep his dreams to himself. That proved to be utter foolishness (Genesis 37).

Eighth brings Joseph’s brothers in as a tie- Each and every one of them, instead of telling their father to keep his precious baby boy in line, sold him into slavery and managed to keep it a secret for years (Genesis 37; 44:20).

Ninth- Moses. Here’s a guy who has grown up as a prince (Exodus 2:10), and who as a result could simply order the guard who’s carrying out the beating to be executed on the spot… And Moses kills him with his own hands instead (Exodus 2:11-13). Then, instead of standing around and getting the wrist slap that would have been given him had anyone found out, he runs blindly into the desert (Exodus 2:15). Then he questions the voice of God as it’s coming from a burning bush that isn’t being consumed by the flame (Exodus 3). Let’s skip over a few things and – There he is breaking the original tablets which God cut from the mountain (Exodus 32:19)! This guy’s list goes on.

Number 10- Aaron, the brother of Moses. The dude made an idol for the Israelites and and attempted to pass it off by saying that the calf simply walked out on its own (Exodus 32:24).

Number 11- Miriam, the sister of Moses, whom God used several times, yet who still was not immune from foolishness when she attempted to depose Moses as leader on account of Moses’ wife (Exodus 12:1-15).

12- Joshua, who managed to be God’s handpicked general for the people of Israel, and yet still manages to be conned by a group of inbred halfwits with moldy bread (Joshua 9:3-15).

The list could absolutely continue- I skipped Balaam, for instance, a great many others- But the point is proven. God may not “play” with fools (unless you consider wrestling, breaking bread with, counseling, etc. playing), but He certainly does have a soft spot for them, it seems.

All in all, Valerie, you strike me as someone who has not studied to show yourself approved, nor someone who could stand and give a reason/defense when someone challenges you on your beliefs. Instead, you seem to be reactionary; someone merely spewing out what has already been regurgitated; someone who is full of vitriol, venom and spite without actually knowing why.

“Wrong! Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool”

Cain, or Qaiyn in Hebrew (כָּנַע) means “possession.” “Canaan”, or כְּנַעַן in Hebrew means “lowland”. It does NOT mean “from Cain.” The two words do not have the same spelling or root in Hebrew. The root of Canaan is Kana in Hebrew (כָּנַע) which means “to be made low.” The root of Cain is qanah in Hebrew (קָנָה) means “to possess.” Once again, in no way are these words related. Please use caution when reading the many incorrect Biblical theories that one can find out there (including the ones on this site).

As for Noah’s wife being of Cain’s lineage, it is not in Scripture and highly unlikely. And Noah, being a Godly man, preacher and believer in the Word of God, would NEVER allow his child to be named after Cain, the first murderer.

As the Nephilim series will show, all signs in Scripture point to Noah’s son’s wives carrying the Nephilim gene through the flood.

As I have already explained: Canaan was NOT Noah’s son! And that is why he cursed the child!

We must use logic in understanding why Noah would curse an infant……….Even from his own family……………..The logic is this: Moses tells us that Noah became a wine maker………Why? What reason would Noah have to make wine other than to drink it!

Even though Noah was a Son of God and the LAST of his generation he obviously went through a terrifying time of the flood…………He then rests after all things start to renew and grow and become a husbandman……..Then he become drunk on his wine.

What does his wife do…………..She starts to look else where for attention and Ham impregnated her with Canaan……….The child is hers from her linage…Not from Noah!

Another understanding of this disgusting act is in the law of Leviticus………Who wrote this book?………..Moses! So he would associate this act with the sexual law of incest. The uncovering!

So both books are written by the same person with the same law in place………God’s law of natural things did not change………….A man should stick to his wife. A wife should stick to her husband. One type of animal must stick to the same type. Or it will become deformed or a hybrid. Or like a mule ……..A dead seed!

Noah was the last of his gene pool………..A perfect seed that would eventually bring in the Christ………….But NOT from HAM’s linage because he brought in Canaan, Cush, and Nimrod…………Who then married his mother and became a god figure……..None of Cain’s linage worshiped the Almighty in the way he wanted……But they obviously loved religion…………Nimrod brought in child sacrifices………..And worship of the most evil filth……

You say Noah was a godly man…………He was man who had been through the tribulation of the flood and had to made do with a wife from the tribe of the linage of Cain…………..How would you feel? Would you then want some wine!!!

The Word of God is only understood by those who search for truth………..Nothing can be made to look good if it isn’t! Adam was perfect in every sense but had to have relations with Eve to bring in another seed…………..Cain was not from Adam, but it didn’t stop Adam from taking on that sin and bringing in Able and Seth!

Read Leviticus and learn that Noah was uncovered by HAM!! As in sexually improper behavior with his mother!

With all due respect, you are now obfuscating. My point in my comment to you was clear: you wrote, with great emphasis that the name “Canaan” means “from Cain” as this somehow proves Cain’s lineage living past the flood. And it has now been shown that this was absolutely incorrect. This idea is a part of the misinformation found in many Biblical blogs and youtube videos and is not a reflection of Biblical scholarship. Are you going to acknowledge that you were in correct in this assertion or do you still stand by your Canaan is “from Cain” theory?

The third part of the new Nephilim series will look at extra-biblical sources, megalith structures and pagan myths since the Nephilim giants are clearly being describes/connected to them. But you are right in that this site when it comes to establishing a Biblical point, relies solely on Scriptures.

That wasn’t a slam on the site, my friend, or you for that matter. I have no problem with Sola Scriptura.

My point, which was obviously not made clearly enough, is that when one reaches a certain point, there is no longer Biblical accounts which one can take from. Scripture still comes into play, but as for actual accounts of historical or cultural nature, the Bible cannot say anything because these took place after it was “closed.” (Finalization of canon, etc.)

For instance, the Bible speaks of a time when God will draw the children of Israel back to the land given them, and they will once more rule within it. That’s the prophecy; but the Bible could not give you the historical account of 1948, whereupon May 14 Israel was declared a sovereign nation once more.

I hope that is a bit more clear an understanding of what I meant earlier.

Oh no worries. I did not take it as a slam at all. And I definitely get your point about events happening post-finalization. I just thought that on this particular topic there is so much overlap with secular historical sources, it should be addressed.

Beginning and End: No doubt. I am very close to posting the new Nephilim article. It’s very in-depth. I look forward to your thoughts on it.

I am very much looking forward to it, in all honesty. I think that some of the reasons for my own personal interest in the subject would sound strange to most people, which is why I tend to avoid discussing the topic at length with folks.

Suffice to say, however, there are legitimate reasons I believe the Nephilim remain with us; and that they are far from irredeemable.

Good. I hope you enjoy it. It’s long and in-depth to the point that I had to split into several parts. And when you check it out please feel free to share your thoughts on the Nephilim still being among us. I’m very curious.

Kathy Cavoores: Greetings RETS! I do appreciate your diligent research. In the interest of brevity I will only say a few things. 1) One of my family members is 5 yrs old and 4’5″ tall.A 6 year old is not a giant at 4 ft tall. 2) I am familiar with the Alien Conspiracy. I don’t believe Nephilim are either being created or reproducing anything. I do think there is a lot of trash going on out there in the world but I don’t live in the world. I live in the Kingdom of God.The Boss over me has been given all power in heaven and in earth.Whatever is working wickedness has already been judged and their judgment is written. Nothing will change that. 3) I’m wondering why the Illuminati is allowing all their secrets to be blasted on You Tube. Even your “eye” picture could be interpreted as a symbol proving you are a member of the Illuminati. 4) I must stick to the simplicity of Jesus. He spoke so idiots like me could understand that nothing shall by any means harm us. His wonderful Holy Spirit still bears witness to the truth so we don’t have to be led astray and succumb to fear. It doesn’t matter who wrote something thousands of years ago because we have a living Witness to the truth. God bless you my brother. Have peace.

Thank you for that apparent slap in the face.

1) The gravitar is me. That is MY face, and MY eye, and the only reason it is halved is a size constraint.

2) In a family of people that only reach about five feet in adulthood, four feet at six years old is huge. That said, I did not realize that part of my post had also been removed. (I have a touchy mousepad, and it provides me with no end of fun in retyping entire posts thanks to errant highlight/deletes.)

3) If you truly think the Illuminati controls everything, then your point number two is nothing but empty words; words without faith. Is God on the throne or isn’t He? Is Yahshua Ha’Meshiach, or isn’t He? Is the Holy Spirit truly in control, or isn’t He? If YHWH, the full Trinity, is not on control, then yes- We ought to wonder how the Illuminati could possibly allow “all their secrets to get blasted all over YouTube.” If our God IS in control, however, then it does not matter.

4) See point 3.

Finally, believe what you wish- That is up to you alone, and between you and God. However, why bother asking questions to which you do not wish to know the answers?

Hi! Thanks for the laugh today. 🙂 I’m sorry to see we have a failure to communicate. I was not intending to slap you in the face but just be brief. Apparently that doesn’t work so this will be my last post on this subject. I do not believe the Illuminati is running everything. My point was that IF they were, they wouldn’t allow their secrets to be shown on You Tube. I did think that was your real eye – and I LIKE it. I just meant that if we were to believe everything on You Tube, one would interpret your eye as a symbol of Illuminiti membership. If angels were procreating still, I would expect that their children would look like their previous children who are aptly described in the Bible. We see no evidence of that. Don’t be mad at me. I like you. 🙂

I understand what you were saying now. I apologize for my snappy reply- I’m afraid you got some of what was left over from an argument I had with some overly zealous “Christians” about ten minutes prior to responding. (Think Westboro Baptist, and you’ll get a picture of these folks.)

Anyway, I can totally see your point. With that said, may I ask for one more response?

Do you think a normal seven year old could rip up twelve to twenty foot tall trees out of the ground by their roots?

Yes, I think a seven year old could do that if he was demon possessed. Being demon possessed in a human body is different from being Nephilim. The Nephilim body itself was apparently an extreme distortion of the flesh so the body became sometimes more than 12 feet tall, sometimes had six fingers or toes and sometimes had two rows of teeth….as I’m sure you know. Demon possession such as you describe is extremely hard on the body and ages one fast. I would certainly not expect the child to live very long. Samson (in the Bible) had strength probably like you mention but that was given to him by God for a specific purpose and didn’t apparently bring harm to his human body.

The reason I ask is because I knew this child- And he was not demon possessed. He only recently has taken the Nazarite vow. As we both know, there are certain signs which are presented by a true child of God: He had them all, even at seven, down to Divine revelation that would often cause his pastor and the elders of the church to pause and reflect on what he’d said.

Add to this the knowledge of his great grandfather. The man was a lumberjack in the northernmost forests of New England, and actually spent the majority of his time in Canada working at his trade. He stood a verifiable 7′ 10″ tall and weighed in at over 400lbs- At the time of his death, he was reported to have weighed 486. He also had a terrifying temper, according to the news article I was shown. He got into a barroom brawl and killed a man with his bare hands. When the police arrived to restore order and arrest him, it took 27 rounds to put him down. Before he went, he took a police officer’s life after having already been shot twelve times. The most bizarre aspect about his physiology, according to the coroner, was that he had a total of twenty-four digits: Twelve toes, and twelve fingers.

This is one reason why I believe that there is a strong possibility of Nephilim presence still here among us. I know that many believe the Nephilim were little more than monsters in flesh, yet this was not true of them all, as seen in the Bible. The digits remain constant, but the hideous appearance otherwise cannot be found in any other account.

Anyhow… It has been good talking to you, Kathy, and once more- Please accept my apology for reacting the way that I did!

Hey RETS & Kathy, sorry to ‘Necropost’ here (that means reviving an old thread.). But if you’re still reading this site I have a few things to add that might prove worthwhile to this topic-

1.) The Illuminati are very much deliberately ‘outing’ themselves, but as with their leader, the Devil, they are mixing truth with lies. One of the primary occultists of the early 20th century, Alice Bailey, wrote a book called “The Externalization of the Hierarchy”, wherein she stated that making occult secrets known was a vital part of their plan. They will create essentially a ‘scapegoat’ New World Order that the world will bring down in a revolution, then out of that ensuing chaos they will bring about their *TRUE* NWO, in which the Antichrist will reign.

2.) I also believe that as God so often does, He brings evil plans to good ends and in this outing of occult secrets, He brings His children additional clarity into the plans of the enemy. This would include more & more Christians coming to understand the role of the Nephilim in scripture & how such things become more & more relevant as we approach the last days.

If you’re not already aware, I would look into the works of Rob Skiba, who has compiled a lot of other people’s work in addition to his own on this subject-

Great article I have done this same research and have spent hundreds of dollars buying old archeology and explorer books….. Nepal (yes from the hebrew) still has real nephilim…. with more diluted descendants making it into afghanistan (google giant afghan image…. tho he could just be on the larger side of humanity). plus read a great old history called myths and legends of the celtic race, cannot remember whp wrote it sorry…. it describe giants and many other things that make sense in light of Scripture. Keep up the fight for the Truth….. and when Apollyon rises (not the tom horn version) the world will know a new reality, glad I will be busy eating 🙂

also getting your hands on older unedited copies of ancient histories will be a must to get a full understanding of what happened to the nephilim after the flood

also I believe (but am not dogmatic about it) that the last of the fallen angels were rounded up in joshua’s day….

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

now i realize that most have been taught that this is a Christophony, I completely disagree just read it in hebrew… Joshua did not worship the Angel of the LORD he bow’d down or layed prostraight in front of…. also there are Holy Angels (rev14:10 also a good verse for those who say hell is the seperation from God) and it is holiness the requires the shoes to be removed.

Part 3 will look into secular ancient accounts of the Nephilim giants as well as megaliths like Balebek, the pyramids, etc.

And I completely agree about Apollyon Rising. I will be right up there eating with you. lol.

Re: Joshua and the Nephilim — While Joshua did indeed conquer a great deal of the giants, he did not destroy all of them:

And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities. 22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

i was saying that was when i thought the fallen angels were stopped from their bastarding deed… the Captain of the armies of the LORD was there not just to help Joshua defeat Jerrico (bet they could have done that without angels help after God was on their side) but as Captain he had now come…. to stop the fallen from doing what they had done before the flood… namely destroying the human genome. but like i said i am not dogmatic but if anyone has a better time, convince me.

i was saying that was the timing of the end of the fallen angels procreating with women. nephilim exist as a genetic group up until now, just very few left. and I would agree that the alien abduction phenomenon is a modern version of the fallen angel hybridization, but due to our now highly degraded DNA they are having problems. their DNA matches preflood DNA best and we have more than 22000 recorded mutations…. we are missing that crucial part that allows easy hybrids. eh that’s only my opinion and they are worthless 😉

polydactylism is what it is called when modern humans have extra fingers and/or toes and is usually accompanied by other congenital abberitions… as opposed to oligodactylism which is too few fingers or toes. this is a real and very well documented phenomenon. I grew up knowing a oligodactyl (4 fingers and toes on each appendage)… she was at the summer camp ground we kept out camper at.

This is an amazing topic; and good comments or opinions on the topic. Thank you all for the imformation you have provided. Mathew 24:37 reads “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Many things were happening in the days of Noah. 1. The interaction of beings from other “dimensions” were interacting with earthly beings. 2. There were giants. (hybrid beings.) 3. Their reasoning was corrupted with evil thoughts. 4. Yes… Their DNA was tampered with. Not as God had created man.

“The “coming of the Lord” will be as in those days of Noah.” We sure are seeing many things that were in the days of Noah. Very soon, the interacion of beings from other “dimesions” will begin to manifes with earth in ways that it will be accepted or be normal. Some earthly entity with a lot of power will begin to introduce this topic to the world in order to begin to see it as normal or good. I am NOT talking about “aliens”; but, evil or demonic of some sort; to prepare for the big disception, the anti-christ, and the false prophet.

a lot of bull. trace dna of this so called satans giants. dinosour dna has been found so satans giants should not be a problem ? every thing that we can not explain ends up to be from satan. God tells me to forgive my enemies and I comply. If God practise what he preech and forgive satan then there would be no more giants, temptations, problems and suffering in this world. If they become friends again then hell would not be needed and all of us would go to heaven. But because of Gods mistake and his unwillingness to forgive humankind must pay the price ?

I thank you for this opportunity. I can also quote many bible scriptures to support my beliefs. However, the Bible can be misinterpreted among those who do not have the spirit with them, 1 Cor. 14:33. “For God is not the author of confusion…”

Do not look for, and be content with scientific proof or facts. Also ask in prayer, the questions why, who, and how. Open you mind and heart to the Lord, and he will open yours. Let’s first start to understand God as a person or being, if you will, too. Only then can we understand His plan and His struggles, and the signs he’s given us.

I do not claim to know the answers. I seek truth, not only thru proof.

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You said: “we know why God wanted to destroy man but why also the animals?” All the Animal DNA was also corrupted by Mixing Animal DNA with Human to Create Hybrids like the Centaur, Satyr ..etc Omly the Animals on the Arc were not Corrupted

IMO its about Possession of Animal Hybrids by the Watches leaving their House to Inhabit a Hybrid House..to Corrupt the Line of the Messiah at the behest of Satan .and Went into means Invitro Fertilization NOT SEX….Married = One Flesh as in Possession of their Soul < Job 4:18 Behold,2005 he put no trust539, 3808 in his servants;5650 and his angels4397 he charged7760 with (Shining)folly:8417

It stands to Reason that No Sex was involved in Jesus Conception..but it was Invitro Insemination using Adams Preserved Sperm before He Sinned…So Likewise the Watchers were familiar with the same Technology ..and only wanted to Corrupt the Seed of the Woman at satans behest… with Animal DNA to Stop the Seed of the Woman from Crushing satans head. So “Went Into” is “Invitro” and the marriage or “take wives” means “One Flesh” or possession of their Mind and spirit. Neither Enoch or his readers had ANY Concept of “Invitro Fertilization” so he wrote in Terms they could Understand…We know from the Book of Daniel that “Iron and Clay” will not mix. and Jesus clearly stated Angles have no reproduction organs and they do not Marry or have sex…the did lust after sex but that can only be experience vicariously thru Possession as in Incubus and Succubus <

Thanks for your comments. But I believe you make a number of points that are not mentioned or supported by Scripture. With respect to The Lord’s conception, the Bible clearly states that “…for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.” (Matthew 1:20). There’s no mention of Adam’s sperm or genetic contribution whatsoever. So I think this point is wild speculation.

Regarding angels, The Lord never says angels do not have “reproduction organs.” This is just not in Scripture. And with respect to marriage, The Lord said “angels in Heaven” do not marry, a reference to Holy angels, not the apostates who sinned with human woman in Genesis 6.

Thank you B&E, I was going to make those points. It is very troubling to me that so many Christians seem to equate “do not” with “cannot”. Fallen Angels by nature are disobedient & do that which they should not, as do we.

You said: “By corrupting the seed of the woman, Satan could prevent the birth of the Messiah, who of course, had to be human and not part fallen angel”. I would add a small correction here: Not part Angel..but Part Animal..and up until that time ..satan could only temporarily Possess a spirit that sinned as Cain did…but an Animal Human Hybrid would have no resistance…and the fallen spirit would have a permanent home

Gen 4:5 but He did not have respect to Cain and to his offering. And Cain glowed with anger, and his face fell. :6 And Jehovah said to Cain, Why have you angrily glowed? And why did your face fall? :7 If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin (satan)crouches at the door; and its desire is for you, (to Possess you) and you shall rule over it.(If you do well and do not Obey that Voice)

You said:”Regarding angels, The Lord never says angels do not have “reproduction organs.” This is just not in Scripture. And with respect to marriage, The Lord said “angels in Heaven” do not marry, a reference to Holy angels, not the apostates who sinned with human woman in Genesis 6……………………………………………….I could also say this is wild speculation…that apostates angels sudden grow physical organs…such silliness…I will give you this that they can appear as “Messengers of Light” like Nachash in the Garden…but they still are Light Beings..and their DNA will not Mix with Humans…they tried it but according to Daniel clay will not mix with Iron..metaphorically. So that only leaves them with Gene Manipulation corrupted with Animal DNA and Invitro Fertilization

Sure RETS Here it is..BTW do you have a Face Book Account? 1Co 15:38 And God gives it a body as it has pleased Him, and to each of the seeds its own body. 1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh; but one kind of flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fish, and another of birds. 1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly is truly different, and that of the earthly different; 1Co 15:41 one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 1Co 15:42 So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption; 1Co 15:43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul,” the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

While I see nothing here which could be remotely described as “physiology,” I do see where you’re basing your argument. The difference between physical and spiritual, unless I miss my guess.

However, might I ask you to indulge me just a bit more?

How is it that the men who encountered angels in the Bible were physically restrained or in some other way physically affected by these angels, if they are no more than spirit and unable to take corporeal form?

As to Facebook, I don’t have one of my own, but I and a friend of mine do share his for the sake of convenience. I’ll shoot you a friend’s request.

Its all about the Spirit of God IN Jesus and WITH Angels Angels utilize Gods Very Advanced Technology ..think of the “Light” as a Laser Beam or Tractor Beam able to Raise people up…and Cut Chains…and Heal Ears<

Act 12:7 And behold! An angel of the Lord stood by, and a light shone in the building. And striking Peter's side, he raised him up, saying, Rise up quickly! And his chains fell off his hands.

They are Photon Beings…able to Transform their Atoms to appear as anything 2Co 11:14 Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?

The Power of Gods Distributable Spirit was IN Jesus and could effect peoples Equilibrium and they would fall over

John 18:6 Then as soon as He had said to them, I AM, they went backward and fell to the ground.

So, am I to take from this that you do not believe Jesus was a physical being either? You’re presenting a lot of ideas so I’m just attempting to keep everything straight!

Also… If they are capable of transforming their atoms to appear as anything, then by the laws of physics, they should most certainly be capable of appearing, and interacting, as physical beings. Wouldn’t that be right?

Jesus MOST Definitely was a Physical Being as the “Son of Man” and the “Last Adam” but He had within His Human spirit..the Spirit of God from Conception…this is what kept Him from ever sinning…Adam only walked with God..thats the BIG difference between the 1st and 2nd Adam …God IN Jesus…with Jesus having a Perfect Human Spirit…thus the Perfect Unblemished Sacrifice <

I find this study to be of great interest and no pastor I have asked has answered my following question: If ALL Earths inhabitants were killed off in the great flood, aside from those in the Arc, then how did we have Giants once again After the flood? If it were the fallen angels who caused the LORD to destroy the world and those angels were cast in chains, then who and how? Another question, were angels created simply to keep GOD company and serve him, or is it possible angels were the redeemed from a planet GOD started elsewhere? I agree with MEG that if angels were only of spirit, then they could not have laid with women. I am tempted to believe these “sons of GOD” were not fallen angels, but rather inhabitants of another world GOD created and didn’t tell us about for his own reasons. As it was stated, they left “their own habitation” – if it was “their habitation” then it was not necessarily GOD’s habitation, and it sounds like a physical place, not a spiritual realm. I do believe though the ARCH ANGELS are in GOD’s service. I realize my questions seem far out and may come off as cynical. I assure you I am asking out of a genuine curiosity, not out of a condescending nature.

Angles did not mate with humans this is wrong theology. If you read closely in genesis then accept Christ’s words you will understand biblical truth.

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis states the sons of GOD took to them wives, this is a very important statement. Christ stated angels do not marry Matthew 22:30. So if we want to create a contradiction in Christ’s words this is what you are doing since Genesis states they took wives. The corruption is not angels procreating, but men who had the spirit of GOD marring the wives of men who did not have the spirit of GOD.

Romans and John tells you how to become a Son’s of GOD.

Romans:8:14-17 [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

1 John:3:1-2 [1] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. [2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I have not read once were a fallen angel came unto men in bodily form. Only GOD’s angels have come to men in bodily form. GOD stated they procreate with their own kind man and angles are not the same kind and cannot procreate.

Bill, first thank you for the depth of your reply. I have a few questions regarding your response. Before I get into them, I want to preface, I am not saying you are wrong, I am searching only for truth. Firstly, I am not completely convinced there was no other race of beings aside from man, and the angels which GOD created of whom he decided not to tell us about. (I say this as to partly agree with the theory that angels do not have sex.) On the other hand, the verse in Matthew 22:30 ” For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. ” NKJV This verse does not state angels nor those risen do not have sex, it states they do not marry. While on earth, it’s clear the guidelines GOD has set forth for us are to marry and commit man to wife. In heaven where time is limitless, how can it be beyond the scope of possibility that everyone has sex without ties to another? If we one day will eat, without need of food, then why not have sex without need for procreation? Marriage here is supposed to be a model of Christ and his bride (the church). This is how I do not feel there is contradiction between Matthew 22:30 and Genesis.

Here is another point, in the version of Biblical text you provided, verse 4 says “giants”. If we skip the English bible altogether and look to an English translation of the Torah, written by Jews it reads as follows: Genesis 6:4 : The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown. Reading the text in this way, the Nephilim where here, but it says the “Sons of Nobles” would come the the daughters of man. I am not sure if it saying the Nephilim WERE “sons of nobles, or that the Nephilim were simply HERE when the Sons of Nobles took the daughters of men.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. KJV Ok, great. Problem I am hung up with here is the Holy Spirit of GOD did not descend until Christ had risen. There-fore, if no one in Genesis had the Holy Spirit, then they could not be called the Sons of God, by authority of this passage.

Actually, where ever angles came and talked to man on earth, they did come in bodily form.

Again, I am not saying this to correct you, or rebuke you, but to find the truth.

Why are you people wasting your lives on a BOOK written by desert nomads 2000 years ago?? It’s like listening to a bunch of third graders discuss which superhero is stronger, Superman or Batman. Grow up . There is no proof of Jesus. He never wrote a single thing down. He was one of many claimed Messiahs who believed the end of days were near. The Bible is not real folks.

Paul, I truly feel bad for you. I’m not sure what motivates you, but ignorance of the truth is never an excuse for deriding those who earnestly seek it. It’s easy to belittle what you do not understand. In such circumstance, decorum would behoove you to refrain from comment. May the LORD God Almighty bless you and open your heart to truth.

Well, for one, it wasn’t written by desert nomads 2000 years ago. Fact.

Secondly, there’s more proof of Christ’s existence than there is for Julius Caesar, not only within the Bible itself, but also outside of it.

Aside from these points, you’re on your own. I’m not going to tell you that you have to believe what I believe, though I know some Christians will/do. Those two points, however, are egregious misrepresentations of documented fact.

Unless, of course, you also believe the Holocaust never happened. In that case, you just might be a nut. lol 😉

Can someone please tell me of the veracity of Cthy Bates book: Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Aliens: What Does the Bible Say? I’ve been recommended this book through another group. Must say I’m probably more confused now than when I started reading this page…

thebob: “Adam was created perfect, but he sinned and God took him away from his natural estate.” Sorry, I disagree with your analogy here. It was Eve who sinned first, opening the door for Adam to sin. The original sin wasn’t eating of a fruit…That is taken to literally. The sin was disobedience against god. They had sex with each other, hence afterwards they felt ashamed and covered themselves….Essentially the first 3 some…..Eve gave birth to 2 boys 1 from Adams seed 1 from Lucifer’s seed. It also talks about the fallen angles coming down and taking human women in the bible, it’s only mentioned 1 or 2 times, which is one of the reasons God caused the flood to cleanse the earth of the impue creatures not created in God’s image. Adam and Eve were also NOT the first humans on the planet. This is proven when Cain is banished from the garden for killing his brother. He leaves and creates a new life in the east, Modern Asia/Middle East. How is this possible if Adam and Eve were the only 2 humans on the planet? Did Cain procreate with a sister, no I don’t think so. The only true statement is God created man, Adam, in his image. Meaning Adam was the first created in Gods own image, creating the blood line for Jesus. No where in the bible does it say Adam was the first human…..

Part 2 has not been published yet. We are working on finishing the entire series and then publishing it. Please stay tuned. God bless. -B&E

in the end of the bible it speaks of the 24 elders I believe the elders started the first original tribes and there was 12adams and 12 eves god just made the first ones u don’t get black people out of a white Adam and a white eve

This is one of the most disturbing and ignorant statements I have heard in a long time- Rivaling the justification of slavery in the United States via Scripture and Christianese, and the attempts to do away with Hell because it doesn’t fit the current social commentary.

Valerie: It bother to read the Bible you will then know it was both……….A blessing to save his life, but a curse to hunt him down………..God doesn’t play with fools!

You show me the blessing and i’ll show you the curse!

I believe Cain was Lucifer’s son that’s why he killed able The mark wasn’t On Cain it was in his appearance being of two races the angelic race and the human race both created by god Lucifer’s and eves son cain

In talking about the Nephilim, that they were very tall and powerful beings, could it not be that these Nephilim are what built the pyramids of Egypt?

You also know that in scriptures that women are to have a covering over their heads, this covering of course is having Christ Jesus as their covering over their heads, because of the falling angels are to come again, as they did back in the days before the flood of Noah’s.

1 Corinthians 11:10-“For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels ”

Jude 6-“And the angels which kept not their first estate (proper domain) but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day ”

You do know this being Michael who has them reserved in chains.

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels” Rev 12:7

“and I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a Thousand years” Revelation 20:1-2.

Therefore the women that do not have Christ Jesus as their covering over their heads, the fallen angels once again shall seduce them again, unto which shall bring about the Nephilim once again.

The book of Revelation explains how Satan and his angels as being cast out of heaven at the 6th seal,6th trump,6th vial, unto which is the number of satan = 666

There are those that try to explain as to how the Nephilim got from the other side of the flood of Noah, to this side of the flood of Noah.

They will try and say that the wives of Noah’s sons carried the Nephilim gen’s over in side of them, unto which is not true. Thru the wives of the sons of Noah is the passage way for Christ Jesus is to come into the world.

Thereby Noah’s sons wives are to be a pure blood line, and not contaminated by any other’s except those that they are married to.

Like Mary and Joseph, Mary was also of a pure blood line to which Christ Jesus would come thru.

Therefore from Adam to Noah to Abraham to Isaac to king David to Joesph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:1-17.

great article! a belief or otherwise in serpent seed theology does not disqualify one from entering the gates of Heaven, certainly not. However, an understsnding that angelic beings left their former estate to tarry and marry with human women brings so much other scripture to life – scripture that could otherwise be dismissed as fairytale or not relevant to today’s world. Church wake up. There is much deception afoot. my 3 hr youtube video on the true shape of the earth and the incredible NASA deception is coming out very soon. Thank you Lord for giving me an understanding of these things through the Power of Your Precious Holy Spirit!

Valerie you crack me up! Where does it say they had sex with them when clearly it does the the Fallon’s came into daughters of men that where it say’s it and produced these hybrid offspring. Come on now, we walk by faith not by site. The Bible is true and everything about it is.

Meg are you serious, in fact it does mention Satan was an angel of God so maybe you should study a little harder then. There are different types of angels in the bible and he was a cherubim angel, the most powerful one’s, one’s that protect God and he was given great and special power and it went to his head and he didn’t wan’t to serve the people as God instructed him to do so he got mad and rebelled and planned to overthrow God and I don’t think so. God knows all thing’s and he knew what he was planning so he sent Michael after him.

Valerie I will pray for you as you seem to be working against God here as you are negative and it appears you are not even trying to get the truth but cause doubt. Everything in this article makes sense and is the truth and it is from the bike and it really is not hard to understand at all.

739931″>Christin: This was the first time I have read something from someone that seems to coincide with what I see and understand. I put it into a short document and didn’t know what to do with it.I will post it here as theBob seems to understand it also.

Why Human Life exists Where Human Life came from Your purpose for being here Why is there so much evil here

*God, Creator, He is that He is. ( I AM)No beginning-No End. (Exodus 3:14) *His first Creation was His only Begotten Son. (We call Jesus)(Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:6)(Jesus called Him “Father.”) * IAm ‘Spoke:’(bang)’ the Worlds/ Universes, into existence. . … ( Psalm 33:9) * Other sons of God were created by Him, (myriads of them) (sons of God, spirits/angels/messengers’, different ranks of angels). ( I Thessalonians 4:16; Jude 9;Daniel 10:21; 12:1) SevenArch Angels are named in the Book of Enoch; Two in the BIble) *They dwell in His Domain( the third Heaven) and go back and forth to earth. * Many Solar Systems were created in the ‘second’ heavens. (space)( Genesis 1:1) * [Vegetarian creatures were created here in an earlier earth age, and then carnivorous and perhaps other creations prior and former earth ages.](Author’s reasoning) *It ended in wickedness and a worldwide famine and flood causing earth to become and remain void of life for a period of time prior to the creation and design of humans. (Genesis 1:2) *GENESIS:God (Eloheim) and His sons (angels, spirits) in God’s heaven, decide to re-create the planet earth. (Another earth age) (“Let Us” Genesis 1:26,27) *Thus: OUR history begins in the first book in the Bible, ‘a summary of Genesis. ‘ They, Creator God (Eloheim) and His angels/sons, re-create a nice Earth that has been void and uninhabited for an unlimited time.. *A rebellion occurred in God’sHeaven ( 3rd heaven), and one son, Lucifer (angel), due to his pride, was removed and cast out of the third heaven to thisplanet, Earth, in our universe.A third of the others sons (spirits) also rebelled and were removed.. ( Luke 10:18; Revelation 12:7-12; Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17) *Then God has a Plan to test all of His remaining beloved sons; He created flesh, in His likeness, His image,for them to dwell in;( a Tent) to Be Born of Water (woman) and live a short life on the re-created planet Earth, to see if they will, without former memory, freely choose Him as their FATHER.(we must be born of water and the spirit to enter into the kingdom of God)( John 3:5 ) *God, who is Spirit (Holy), with the help of his angels (Gen 1:26, Gen 3:22), createdifferent races of men and women and told them to multiply on the sixth day or age.( 2 Peter 3:8 “ With the Lord, one day is like a thousand years…”) *For possibly 2,000 years, humans multiplied on the earth. *Then let’s move Genesis chapter 6 up before Genesis Chapter 2.A war took place in the heavenly where our Spiritual Father and his created ‘sons’ dwell. As formerly mentioned, Lucifer led 1/3 of the myriads of angels into rebellion; ‘fallen-rebellious angels/sons,’ where cast down to the earth. *They took human women as wives and procreated offspring with them.(Genesis 6, Book of Enoch and other scriptures.) Their DNA is mixed into the human race through several thousand years, thus, evil began to rule throughout the human race.They were no longer ‘innocent’ as little children, They grew into ‘cult-ture’/environment; they were embedded with ‘good and evil.’ *Then, God/Eloheim (‘they) ‘ create another race of man, called Adam (ruddy colored) with the knowledge to cultivate and grow food…and placed him in a garden/ a fertile soiled area.He created a ‘woman/helpmate’ for the man from his own DNA (bone/rib).They had the same blood type/Rh factor, etc) They were ‘free’ from the ‘cult-ure/environment’fromthe former humans, whose DNA was defiled with evil. They were alone in this remote area that provided their needs. No knowledge of pain, fear, hunger, nakedness, insecurities…they communicated with their Creator and His sons/angels. *(Jesus/ the Messiah/God’s only begotten Son, had to come through a pure line without that DNA which is why Genealogy was so important to the Jews. *Then the Testing began. *In the Garden of Eden, Lucifer appears as a beautiful male angel (Original Hebrew word could be translated serpent or shinning one) and beguiles (seduces/sexually) Eve and Adam. Adam was told not to partake of the ‘tree of the knowledge of good and evil or they would die.)Both partook.(Genesis 3:4-6) “And the serpent/ or shinning one said to the woman:No, you shall not die, for God knows that in the day that you eat, your eyes will be opened and you shall be like the gods/angels, knowing good and evil.” Eve conceives 2 sons; One, Cain, is the seed of Lucifer; Abel, the son of Adam. Neither are listed in Adam’s genealogy! (Genesis 5, I Chronicles 1,Luke 3:38)(IMMEDIATELY AFTER DISOBEYING THEIR CREATOR, they became aware of their NAKEDNESS and covered their GENITALS.Punishment from God comes upon our first ancestors:The woman will have pain during childbirth, and her desire will be towards her husband (Who did Eve have a desire for prior to Adam??).The man will have to work hard for his food); (Cain and Able are twins- Eve continued in labor after having Cain and bore Abel.)( Genesis 4:2) ‘Heteropaternal superfecundation’,’ Twins can have two different fathers.) (One brother killed the other out of jealousy-hatred)This is why we have war and. . .. . .. . …evil. (note Gen:6), and all of this we inherited. God‘protected ’ Cain’s life….But why did HE? There was a city where Cain went for refuge and married and had children. Cain’s genealogy of his children is recorded in Genesis 4.

I wonder why God allowed Cain to live and what kind of mark He put on him thatkept him safe from others taking his life? (Genesis 4:15,16) Was he the first offspring of Lucifer? (There is an answer to every question; but He only reveals what He wants us to know, if we want to know, and if we seek an answer from HIM.) * Wars, terror, evil, killing has dwelt amongst ‘cult-ures’ for thousands of years. Many generations of mankind were born and died.God’s Spirit still dwelt with some, but mankind over-all,still preferred to do things his own way………and preferred not to listen to those Prophets and Holy Ones whom God sent and still sends. *God had a plan, and HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,FIRST OF ALL CREATION, first Angel (Colossians 1:15) was willing to BE His Father’s WORD to mankind.To live in a body of mortal flesh, lead a sinless life, do all good things, and because of Jealousy from Lucifer and his offspring, (Satan’s Seed), Jesus, ( “Jehovah” to the Hebrew nation), God’sfirst begotten son, agreed to be painfully crucified (as prophesied), as a payment, in order to Buy Back (Redeem) thespirits/angels(his brothers-us) ( Mark 3:35)inside our temporary bodies, promising us a new body “mansion’( John 14:2)and resurrection from the dead.He became our Redeemer, Savior, co-Creator, and King and Lord.Due to His love and obedience, He was given ‘all authority on Earth and will Judge the living and the dead on the Great Day of God. Through Him, Jesus, who brought His Father’s Words,made the Wayfor us to once again, communicate with our Father. We can now ‘ Know and Choose to Know our Father. (intimately)’ God’s will is that we choose this Relationship here, with Jesus and His Father,while still in these mortal bodies(John 17:3 ) ‘and this is eternal life, knowing the FatherandHis Son, Christ Jesus;’ If we ‘choose’ this relationship and ‘sanctify’ ourselves. “What does the Lord require of a you, but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.’(Michah 6:8) *We will have an Eternal Home and Eternal life, when we shed this body of flesh. Being ‘resurrected and returning to our former home.”We will have a spirit body, like Jesus did after He resurrected, that will never get sick or die. (an immortal‘mansion’ body rather than a decaying mortal ‘tent’ body.) We will be known by those there that knew us when we were there before..(I Corinthians 13:12) (Our Father and Jesus knew us before we were born here!(Jeremiah 1:5 ) -“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born”)( born of water/woman) *Jesus said “you MUST be born of Water and the Spirit.”(John 3:4-6) *If we don’t choose Him as our Father and Jesus as our Lord, we could perish!(John10:28.) *Is there ‘marriage between man and woman’, after leaving these bodies and being resurrected to eternal life?Jesus was asked this question.His answer:(Matthew 22:23 ) “you will be like the angels.”In other words, ‘no.’ Angels don’t marry. You will be known by others as you were known previously to being born of water/woman, in these flesh bodies, for this temporary time on this earth.(David writes in Psalm 103:20 –“Praise the Lord, you his angels. . .. . .who obey His word. . …) *God’s Son, Jesus (as we know Him), rose from the dead, 3 days after burial, and was seen by over 500 people at one time and walked, talked and ate with them 40 days.They Watched Him ascend above the clouds, with other angels, until they could no longer see Him. *He said He would return in the same manner as they saw Him leave.(John: 14) “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God, (Jehovah/Yehovah/Ya/Yahweh is the name as God identified himself to the Hebrew people), believe also in me.My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? ( A new, non-perishing, non-decaying body like Jesus had after He resurrected) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.You know the way to the place where I am going.”)

*He said He will return . . .. . .. . ..We should always be ready. . .. . the anointed writings in the Bible give us signs to when he will return.God always hears a repentive heart. His Holy Spirit is our Teacherand will give us every answer to every question we ask, if we truly seek answers from Him and if He decides we are ready for them.(John 14:26)“If you abide in Me and My Words (Father’s Words) abide in you, ask Anything and it will be done for you.”(John 15:7 )

Our purpose here on Earth:To develop a Relationship with our Father (God) through Jesus, His son, who makes the way for us to go back to our Father for eternity.

One thing your article is correct on and that is scripture validates scripture. But where the problem is “how is it interpreted”. For ex., sons of God (ben elohim) does not translate into ‘angels’. It never does for any uses in the OT or NT. Lets look at the primary meanings of ‘ben’ 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group 1a) son, male child 1b) grandson 1c) children (pl. – male and female)

For 1 thing, angels do not, nor cannot they have offspring. They are ministering spirits, they are servants of God. They have no inheritance. But humans when placing their faith in the Lord God whether in the OT or NT are Adopted sons of God. The is called the Spirit of Adoption, see Romans chapter 8.

The ‘inheritance’ we have as sons of God is spoken at length in Ephesians 1 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

The reason for the Flood was God’s judgement against man, not the group of tryannical giants called Nephilim. They were only symbolic of how wicked ALL Mankind had become by the time Noah was told to build the ark.

And it will be like the Days of Noah again as far as the depth of wickedness and indifference to the Lord God will be so vast. Not that only 1 righteous person will be left, but the End of Days will be marked with a Falling Away so great that the sons & daughters of Christians, a coming soon generation will be so spiritually bankrupt that the world will seem much like the days of Noah, though some will be Raptured, we dont know how many.

This Fantasy of 30,90 or 450 feet giants is one of the Tallest Tales man has invented, on par with the Fables of Rome and the Myths/Legends of Greece. People love a Fantasy and even the Jews were prone to swoon over these kinds of stories so the Book of Enoch was popular with some in ancient times just as books of Mythology in other cultures were.

I can’t conclude that the sons of God were human for the reasons you state. In addition, in a genealogy given in one of the gospels Adam is called the son of God. Adam was created by God.

Except for the general statement, “ye are God’s,” from the Psalms, do you see any instance in the Bible where humans are called sons of God? It seems to refer to directly created beings.

Also, we are told that through Christ we have the power to BECOME sons of God. The process is only complete at the resurrection when we become like the angels.

And finally. Why would righteous men, who had been reproducing for some time, have to suddenly come to the realization that the daughters of men were fair. Hadn’t they ever seen any? Or could it be that the righteous women werent’t fair?

Yes, we see many instances in the Bible where humans are called sons of God, children of God, children of the living God. Gen. 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Hosea 1:10, Deut. 14:1, 32:19 uses similar language, Psalm 82:6, Matthew 5:9 (this speaks of sons of God becoming because the New Covenant has come, nothing to do with Post Tribulation), John 1:12 (the Grammar ‘gave he’ is not a Future tense, it is a Past tense. Grammar is a very important Hermeneutic Principle) Romans 8:14, 8:16, 8:19, Galatians 3:26, 4:7, 1 John 3:1-2, Hebrews 2:9-12, Matt. 5:45, 2 Cor. 6:18 uses similar language.

Righteous ‘sons of God’ over a period of time came to know the wicked ‘daughters of men’. Over time, these Pagan women just as their male counterparts strove for the things of man, not of God. So what is it that women of the Flesh do? They find ways to seduce men, to wit-make themselves more attractive on the outside than on the inside. Brothers even this concept is spoken about in the NT as Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 2:9 “likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,”.

Rather than trying “force” an Interpretation with human reasoning we only need compare & harmonize scriptures to understand what was going on. The Flood of Noah was 100% a Judgement of God on Man. There is nothing in Genesis 6 that speaks otherwise. We should leave alone Fables & Myths that come from pagan cultures and the Rabbinical writings of false books such as the Book of Enoch.

Interesting how the Book of Enoch mentions how this fallen arch angel taught human men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working with them, and bracelets and ornaments, and the use of anatomy, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. then godlessness followed.!

Satan was created good and was made special by God to protect him in heaven, being there are more than 1 heaven, that would mean the top. Anyway he rebelled and try to overthrow God and that is where he messed up. He was not bad, but then turned bad as he and the 1/3 of the Angels cast down we’re now thrown out. That is why God calls him the ( god ) of this world now.

Doesn’t really matter as God is control of everything and not Satan, God allows all to happen here so it is up to us to serve God and not the world or the thing’s of the world as they are all from Satan, that ole serpent the dragon. He has no power over us, NONE !!!!

In your attack on Ryan Pitterson just because you say ‘sons of God’ are angels does not make it so.

1-If they were fallen angels they would have been called just plainly ‘fallen angels’ or ‘demons, devils or spirits’. 2-Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus said he never calls his angels ‘son’. 3-The context of Genesis 6 is Judgement against Man and only Man for it was man’s wickedness that became so corrupt.

Derek, your absolute right, that those angels are not human beings, they are those angels that fell with Satan in his rebellion against God.A third of the angels in heaven followed Satan in his rebellion against God and are now in chains.

Because they drank the blood. Do you not know that the satanist drink blood ? Angels are spirits for sure, but when they drink the blood they become more like a human form. The angels in deed did leave their estate to mate with woman of man, producing these offspring the ” Nephilium ” that is why God told Noah to build the Ark as he had enough of it and was going to destroy them all then. But as you know the Bible clearly said in those day’s and after. You either believe the ( Bible ) and Gods word, or you don’t, but you cannot pick parts and ridicule and say you don’t believe because you don’t understand it, why you study. God is not the author of confusion and he does not ever contradict himself as these people out here try and trick you into believing. We walk by faith not sight. That word of God is real and happening right before our very eye’s and one must be careful what they say and teach as God say’s not to teach if you don’t know his word as you will be held accountable if you cause you’re brother or sister to fall.

God doesn’t change his mind, he is omnipotent, he know’s all from beginning to end, and the end to the beginning, he is God the creator of all thing’s!! I mean come on, to question whether God know’s something is pure heresy, of course he know’s !!!! He know’s ever Galaxy, Star, every hair on you’re head, every grain of sand on the beach. Come on, spread Gods word instead of questioning it as that is a big red flag to me. I have been saved 35 year’s and I read day and night and I study. The only way to know God is to read the bible, the ( kjv ) only as I will not debate this ever, I know that is Gods true word in English and all other’s are forgeries that have been changed and altered, omitting several verses!!! In rev 22,18,19 ( kjv ) God warns you of this.

Christian it is simple, these bible versions today are not of God, but the devil, Satan, the serpent, dragon, he is behind all these new versions. Niv, Nasb, RSVP, NKJ,etc, all junk and throw them out. The ( kjv ) is Gods true word and I will not debate this ever, that bible has stood the test and is true word of God. Heaven & earth shall pass but my word will endure to the end.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A18-20&version=KJV

Rets are you serious !!! The Luciferians do recruit in churches and anywhere else they can. I have personally experience this as a spirit manifested to me as it knew I was of God and I rebuke it in Jesus name and then the guy wen’t on to tell me that he was from PA on his way to a satanist camp !!! Are you kidding me man, seriously, a real church of God will alway’s have a Jezebel spirit go into that church and corrupt the pastor and the church causing it to fall every time a this happens all the time.

Let’s not play these game’s !!!! Either you are with God or against, that simple. Whenever their is anybody doing Gods work the devil, Satan, will alway’s try and corrupt it, he will send his people to try and throw a wrench in you’re as I see some of that here. Everything is in the ( bible ) so go to it, use the ( kjv ) please when doing it. As Christians we are away’s under attack, as Jesus said just know that they hated me, they gonna hate you to and we be percecuted for our faith and that does not mean death, but hated. Test every person and spirit !!!!

First off I did not attack anybody as you are just stirring the pot, I can see through you, see in the real you as you are not fooling anybody as the bible clearly tells you who the ” sons of man ” are, CLEARLY !!! So it does make it so. Get real please.http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sons-Of-God

You are splitting hairs of minutiae. Demons/devils are interchangeable. Leviticus 17:7 states “7 And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.”

Zechariah 13:2 states “2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.”

Jesus used the same words ‘unclean spirits’. Most Christians all Grasp that demons, devils, unclean spirits all are the same thing.

I cannot speak for you, but perhaps you are in a Cult. Be careful where you are getting your teaching.

So Jay Adams the ( bible ) make’s it so and not a thing you can do about it. So if you wan’t to troll go ahead, but instead you need to study up my friend. There are different kinds of angels God made that all have a certain role they play for God, Lucifer was the anoited ( one ) who tried to overthrow God but he was not having it. So learn something today. These angels are fallen and left their place to do what they did,the bible does not condradict itself. When angels appear to man they we’re in human form, not with wing’s like the fairy tale book’s depict, or the movies,they are male, not female. So what you say doesn’t make it so as you shown no proof just blowing hot air. I give proof every time. Here is what make’s it so.

You are throwing all kinds of junk out there but not Bible Hermeneutics. Genesis chapter 4 is about the Line of the Wicked Cain. Eve understood that her seed would crush the Serpents head and so in the KJV we see in v. 25 “25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” The seed of the Righteous Seth to replace the Righteous Abel. Continue in v.. 26 that ‘men began to call upon the name of the Lord’. All through the OT & NT this speaks of men of Faith, calling upon the Lord.

Chapter 5 is the about the Righteous line of Seth through which the Messiah Jesus would come through Noah. The name Noah, means Comfort, Rest. This is a Messianic name because the same is used of Jesus in the NT. Seth means ‘appointed’, ‘fixed’, which is a word to describe the fixed foundation for which Christ comes.

Chapter 6 we see the falling away of the Sethite line intermarrying the line of Cain to the point that the whole world became Polluted, corrupt.

Flee from useless Myths & Fables. The Bible is not a Science Fiction/Fantasy book. No sir, it is a book about God’s relationship to Man and Man’s relationship to God. We fell in Genesis 3 and the Redemption was prophesied in Genesis chapter 3 that pointed to Jesus. All scripture points to the Gospel, our need for Redemption. And God used Remnants to accomplish his purposes.

Exodus 32:14 So the Lord changed his mind about the harm but she said he would do to his people.

Jeremiah 26:19. Did Hezakiah, king of Judah and all Judah put him to death? Do he not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and the Lord changed his mind about the misfortune which He had pronounced against them? But we are committing a great evil against ourselves.

Exodus 32:12. Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, with evil intent he brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth? Turn from your burning anger and change your mind about doing harm to your people.

Amos 7:3. The Lord changed his mind about this. It shall not be, says the Lord.

Amos 7:6. The Lord changed his mind about this. This too shall not be, says the Lord God.

Jonah 3:9. Who knows, got my turn and relent and withdraw his burning anger so that we will not perish.

Jonah 3:10. When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked ways, then God relented concerning the calamity which he had declared he would bring upon them. And he did not do it.

Jeremiah 18:8. If that nation against which I have spoken turns from it’s evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I plan to bring all of it.

Jeremiah 26:3. Perhaps they will listen and everyone will turn from his evil ways, that I may repent of the calamity which I am planning to do to them because of the evil of their deeds.

Jeremiah 26:13. No therefore amend your ways and you were deeds and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will change his mind about the misfortune which he has pronounced against you.

Jeremiah 18:10. If it does evil in my site by not obeying my voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.

Bull crap, it’s the truth and you can’t handle it. It is not talking about Cain & Seth, that is the same lie the devil been using for year’s. You are not fooling nobody but the babies in Christ. You are just full of it. God allows good and bad as he is the creator. It seem’s to me you are working for the devil. You got nothing man. God is in control of all thing’s. I knew one of you say it was talking about cain or Seth, so laughable. That is heresy 101.

Genesis 6:1,2 read it please… I am so done with your game’s. I just knew the Cain or Seth thing was gonna come up, same ole same ole and the devil is weak as alway’s, he has no power over us,NONE !!! That is so 5th century heresies is I ever knew it. ” Sons of God ” Hebrew translations means [ angels ] B’ nai HaElohim – Angels, fallen angels.

Blah blah blah, the ” sons of God ” are angelic beings who took on the form of man, in which there are different type of angels, and left their original estate too make with ” daughters of man ” to create these offsprings of ( Giants ) and to anger God. I am so done with this topic. Let God be true and every man a liar. Folk’s If you have any questions take to the scriptures as it is all there, God left nothing out. As a matter of fact in rev the same spirits ( demons ) God is gonna loosen them and allow them to come back and go after the ungodly and disobedient, unbelievers, unrighteousness, sinners. GOD IS IN CONTROL OF THIS BADBOY !!!! Get saved, repent of you’re sins and live a righteous life and you will be protected by the blood of Christ. We are going home soon. Get the word out and work for the good of God.

Demons ( spirits ) and angels can take on human form. Some need to stop watching all these Hollywood movies which Lucifer is behind all of them and realize that Lucifer the fallen Cherib is not some hideous looking red person with horns, that is all fairytale, make believe. This debate is over and in closing the Angels are not of Cain or Seth, that 5th century heresy, they are fallen angels period.

But your claim that Angels can have offspring fails on every count and you cannot back it up with scripture.

Let the Word of God be true and be the Interpreter of Scripture.

The angel/human hybrid theory fails on These Legs:

1-A biological leg- it cant stand because a Woman’s Womb cannot hold a baby weighing 50-200 lbs 2-On a Scriptural leg- angels are spirit beings, not physical. They are servants, but People of Faith have an Inheritance because we have the Spirit of Adoption, we are the sons of God. The Bible speaks of this clearly in Genesis 6:1-4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Deut. 32:19, Hosea 1:10, Matth. 5:9, John 1:12, Romans 8:14, 8:19, Galatians 4:6-7, 1 John 3:1-2 3-On a Hermeneutic leg- it fails on the Law of First Mention, on Context, on Unity of Scripture (Titles & Terms do not mean 1 thing in the OT then all of a sudden change in the NT. sons of God in the NT meaning People of Faith means the same in the OT.

We are all from 1 blood, not some from human blood and some from a Hybrid blood, Acts 17:26 “26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;”

They sure as heck can procreate. Angels can take on human form and that is exactly what they did. They are angelic being that left their first estate and mated with daughters of men. That is 5th century teaching that these are from Cain & Seth, heresy is what that is. Only Adam & Jesus we’re created by God, but Jesus is the ” only begotten son ” and only by him are we saved and grafted in the ” new covenant ” the sons of men in Old Testament are indeed the Angels as in the New Testament we are the sons of God through Christ, it is a big difference. Why God said my people parish for lack of knowledge and study and show thyself approved. You should be out here bringing as many people to God in these end time’s instead of trying to confuse people with a topic going way back to the beginning of early man. What is that all about, why are we talking about Giants and fallen angels which is old news. Come on what is really going on here ??

Yes they can man ! Enough, I have given you all the scripture you need to understand this. Angels can indeed take on human characteristics in which they did and left their original estate to cohabit with daughters of men whom are not Cain or Seth ! That is 5th century cobbledygook that has no weight. They are angelic beings man, angels. They came and corrupted the earth and that is why the flood happen man. Come on, it seems as all you wan’t to do is divide and confuse people and that bothers me. We need to be preaching the gospel and getting as many as we can ready and saved as we are truly in the end time’s and you wan’t to use smoke and mirrors about Giants, which is old new’s. As God said my people Parrish for lack of knowledge, study and show thyself approved. You will never win over God and his word and clearly the Angels are ” men of God ” they we’re created by God, we we’re created by Adam & Eve, and we became bad and which is why we must be saved and born again into the ” new covenant ” and why all Jew, Gentile are all 1 in Christ. Only Adam & Jesus was created by God but Jesus is ” the only begotten son ” and only through him can we gain heaven. We as we are grafted in are considered ” Sons of God ” but that is not the same meaning as in the Old Testament and Genesis account, completely different. Angelic being sure as heck can take on human form and procreate as that is what they did exactly.

Better stop being deceived by Julius Africanus with the bogus heresy that they are referring to Cain & Seth as the ” sons of God ” as that is so laughable. But better yet prove it. I have used only the bible, Gods word. You either believe or you don’t believe. I believe in God, Jesus, the bible and we walk by faith not by sight. God is not the author of confusion and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess.

Meg are you serious !?!? Why would God waste his time over a fallen angel ? Are you serious. He is the adversary and he is stealing souls from God and God does not wan’t ( 1 ) person to parish. Come on now, please read the bible.

You havent given any Scriptural support. You just make statements but you have failed to use the scriptures to prove your point. Angels can yes, take on human form, but nowhere does the Bible say they can Mate with Human women. This is a man-made fictional invention, borrowed from Pagan cultures.

Please read Genesis 6, the whole chapter and find one verse that states God’s wrath was against angels.

You are so confused by very False Teaching. We do need to get the Gospel to the lost and we certainly Do Not need to be getting unbelievers or believers chasing after Myths & Fables about Giants. This is Hollywood, this is Science Fiction/Fantasy.

Angels are Not Men, they are spirit beings. Titles, phrases, words do NOT change from the OT to the NT. You are being taught wrongly in your church or listening to False Preachers.

I have given you all the scriptural support you need, Gods word and you will never win as I know whom you are serving and it clear. Shame on you, the bible doesn’t lie, and you can’t handle the truth… You will get yours man. I pray that you break away from the darkness and come into the light as clearly I see you’re fruit and it is bad. I gave you all the scripture you will ever need, you are just trolling and you fool nobody. You have not proven a thing but are selling wolf tickets. How hard it it for anybody with a brain to read the bible and see it said they left their 1st estate to come here not in angelic form, but human form and took wife and bore children to them, hybrids, men of renown. You are a freaking joke and you know it. You got nothing. No, I am not cursing you, I am not hating you, I just see whom you are working for and you trying to cause doubt in people. You will deal with God on that. You have proven nothing and you don’t even know how to study. That lie that these are from Cain & Seth carry not weight and is proven lie. You go nothing but hot air enough to float you’re ballon. You can’t handle the truth nor do you wan’t it.

I need not prove anything else to you, I already have, with Gods word. That is proof alone and you got nothing and you know it. Show me scripture that say’s the fallen angels in Genesis are from Cain & Seth, I will be waiting forever. Once again read the account. Do you not know that the Angels ( fallen ) tried to apologize to God for what they did ? Do you even know that ??? You make no sense but try to deceive people but you only hurting yourself. You fool nobody. HERE IT IS AGAIN !!!

Angels have No Inheritance. They are not sons of God because that title is reserved for those who have received the Spirit of Adoption beginning with Israel who were Adopted by God by the Abrahamic Covenant.

In the NT see Romans chapter 8 “For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God”

You do not seem to understand the Context of Genesis chapter 6. You are forcing a Wrong teaching into the text that is not there. Context is critical.

v.3- God’s impatience with man “3My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh”

v.5- God’s declaration “5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

v.6-The Lord’s regret “6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

v.7- God’s judgement “7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”

It’s so clear that even a Child could see this. Notice v. 7, “I will blot out man”. Man corrupted the earth, man received judgement not the fallen angels.

Give it up man… You don’t understand Genesis nor do you wan’t too. You are joke man. You already said if I’m not mistaken they are talking about Cain & Seth which is pure heresy and a lie, it doesn’t work and is not biblical, you just like to cause confusion and alway’s seem to wan’t the last word. I am not playing you’re game’s no more. You fool nobody but yourself. I have not only explained but given you every bit of proof. I been doing this to long and you are not working for God !!!!!

” Sons of God ”

Bene Ha Elohim

In Greek = fallen one’s or Napal

Job 1:6, 2:1, 38.7 ( OT )

Matthew 20:36 ( NT )

Genesis 6:9,10 ( OT )

Daniel 2:43

Get real, nobody is paying attention to you as we see you’re father is the devil. You need to repent. Here we are in the end time’s and you wan’t harp on about the Giants or Nephilium whom are angelic beings who left their 1 st estate to be with daughters of men, what the hell is wrong with you man. At this point I will not address you any longer mr. Last word. You have done nothing good here, but repeated yourself as you take 2 scriptures you understand not that say angels can’t marry or procreate, that means the one’s who stayed and did not fall cannot, but the one’s who rebelled and left their 1st estate who can take human form did. Did you know they eat just like we do ? I bet no !!! This is why God say’s test every spirit. You are not of God but of you’re father the ( devil ) I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. You just hate it you’re father is already defeated and soon with be cast in the pit with the rest of his buddies. You just mad I speak the truth and you can’t handle it. God word is true and you are a liar ( Julius Africanes ) and you’re 5th century gobbledygook. Buh bye, I waste no more time with you as God will be not happy with me. I please him not you.

Such a joke. Why the hell do you think God made the flood ? Because the fallen one’s corrupted mans DNA with their’s and and the world became evil and bad. What the hell is wrong with you. If you continue down this path you will be sorry. Repent and come to God. Even a beginner could understand that the flood was to get rid of all the mixing of angelic & human hybrids. Duh, please STOP !!!

I don’t know anything about the fallen angels and Cain and Seth; However, something other than an ‘Apple’ was ‘ learned’ when Eve and Adam were ‘beguiled’ by the ‘Angel’ mentioned as a serpent! There were trees for food and there were two ther trees. They were not if the regular food type, as we know food!

The tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We know which tree they ‘partook’ of because someone passed down the historic happening to his children etc.

Why, when ‘they’ partook of this ‘knowledge of good and evil, did they cover their ‘genitals’ and ‘her’ punishment was future ‘pain’ in childbirth and a desire for her husband!?

She must have had a desire for someone other than her husband!

Who could that be?

Then Adam has her and she is pregnant with twins and later Cain kills his brother.

Adam & Jesus are the only ( 2 ) sons of God as they we’re created by God own hand, we came a different way through child birth, at least I came that way. Do you not that we entertain spirits unaware as they been on earth with us back then and now. Please do not confused the Genesis account of ” sons of God ” who we’re angelic whom God created to stay in heaven, but some left their 1st estate and took on human form. These are the fallen one’s, not of Seth & Cain, got it. Study up. I think I did post about Matthew but that was not what I meant.

My question to all and anybody reading this is why are some arguing about fallen angels teaching heresy when that was Old Testament stuff that wen’t on in early man all to corrupt God people and keep Jesus from coming, do you not get that, as you see God is alway’s in control. You need to be talking about the end time’s where these fallen one’s will be released back on earth and getting people saved as we are in the last day’s and we the true Christians, the ( Church Age ) we are going home soon. Do you not see world war 3 is starring us right in the face and the ” New World Order ” is set up and Lucifer, Satan, devil, ole serpent, dragon, is behind all of it and he is causing all this destruction of course God is allowing it so they can get rid of all religion all for just his !!!! He is gonna be the one to come on the scene and stop all the war’s if everybody will serve and follow him. For a short space and hell will break loose. Come on people, I am not answering questions as I have provided with scripture and the truth. If you wan’t the truth study the bible and you get it. God is not the author of confusion. Get saved, repent of all sin, serve God & Jesus with all you’re heart, soul, mind, be obedient and you will be protected from all these thing’s that is coming right around the corner. Put of the full armor of God. You cannot serve 2 masters as you love one and hate the other. You have free will and a choice. God or Satan, that is so simple and easy a cave man can do it. Get saved today, repent, and live for Christ and you shall have eternal life. This is what any of you should be focused on. We are know that like in the day’s of Noah so shall be in our time, the end of day’s as we see all that going on right now,the transhumanish, Human/ animal splicing, WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!

Beginningandend – You are spot on with the Giant account just as the bible say’s !!! People you’re worry should not be about the fallen one’s, The B’nai HaElohim = Angels, angelic beings, you should be concerned with you’re salvation and whether you serving God correctly so that you may be able to stand, so you may be taken soon because when the anti Christ come on the scene as the savor we will be going home, I am not talking about the lukewarm Christians, I am talking about those who are truly serving and keeping all of Gods laws and commandments, the obedient who gave their lives over to Jesus, we are the church age. You must not be of this world or the thing’s in it. GET SAVED NOW !!!

Still laughing at Meg, bless you’re heart but get it right, Lucifer was the anoited cherub that turned bad and was cast out the first heaven to the second heaven !!! That is why he and the 3rd of the Angels that fell with him can come in and out of our dimension. God doesn’t change his mind so understand the scriptures and put it altogether properly !!!

God bless you all, I am not you’re enemy unless you work for Satan then ( yes ) as Jesus said you will be hated for my name sake and percecuted but that is okay, my LIFE belongs to it rightful owner,[ God ] as we are bought with a price and we belong to him.

Derek,there is not going to be a WW3, God will not let man destroy himself, there are prophecy that is to be fulfilled, if there was a WW3, that man destroyed himself, then God’s word would come back to Him void.For not all prophecy’s of God’s have been fulfilled yet.

Buddy you need to read and show yourself approved, look in front of you what is happening in the world. Yes, the war in stealing us right in the face and if you knew anything about the Ezekiek 38,39 war, Gog & Magog you would know that all the prophecy leading up to the war and player’s involved are right in front of you’re face, my gosh. All the player’s have Isreal surrounded right now ! Russia, China, are 2 big player’s in this, and that is not all. You need to hit the book man. The 12 ask Jesus what will be the sign of the end ? And he said there will be earthquakes, famines, pestilence, wars & rumors of wars which be going on a long time now. WAKE UP PEOPLE !!! You know this and take heed : God is in control of everything as he allows Good & Evil. Look at the world man, they put God out, the ( pope ) ecumenical movement, the ” new world order ” all this is end time’s bible prophecy that is here, bergoning and not going away!!! Bible prophecy is being fulfilled right before you’re eye’s and you don’t even see it. So sad, better get cracking that bible man.

You have not studied Genesis accurately at all. You must read Genesis 3 through 6.

Each chapter is a successive narrative that all 3 are tied together.

Chpter 3 is about the Fall of Man and the 1st prophecy of Messiah Jesus who would come through Adam. Jesus later on is called the 2nd Adam, whereas Cain later on was called the ‘of the wicked one’ in 1 John 3:12

the next 2 chapters are about 2 Lines, 2 Trees if you will.

Chpter 4 is about the wicked line of Cain and the final passages are about the replacement of Abel, Seth which would continue the righteous line (kept by God’s Will to Redeem mankind)

Chpter 5 is about the righteous line of Seth

Chpter 6 is about the corruption of mankind because of the rebellion of righteous people marrying wicked people, but God preserves a remnant in Noah just as he ALWAYS preserves a remnant all throughout the Bible.

We can agree that the world is quickly heading to the end times and we need to reach the lost. But we won’t help plant seeds by telling people Fantasy stories of Demonic Giants, Aliens and other non-sense that is pervading the Internet of this Genesis 6 account.

We must share the Love & Truth of Christ. It is the kindness of Jesus that leads to repentance, and the sharing of the Word that our Sin nailed Jesus to the cross and All must repent, confess and ask for forgiveness to be Born Again. This is the Gospel, not fallen angel/human Science Fiction.

He has a consistent pattern of making statements without proper exegesis of the Bible. Now there will be an Armaghedon which will consist of several countries attacking Israel, but that is not anything like WW1 & WW2.

Your right on about priorities to save the lost and share the good news of the kingdom. Some of us just get caught up in new understandings that clarify grey areas of scripture and explain the happening of our time more clearly.

Basically, we are discussing the origin of our enemy and how he has polluted the human race in an ongoing attempt to keep us from our Father, because he is jealous that we are being given a chance to repent and, through His son/ anointed One, attain what he lost forever.

This study on the fallen angels and their attempt to take over and control the human race, through our DNA, thus keeping us/ our spirits from returning to our Father.

You say ‘ serve God and Jesus with all your heart and soul and mind and be obedient ::::::::: and you will be protected from all these things that are coming right around the corner :::::

Yes, we should do these things; But Jesus said just the opposite…… He did not say ” If they psecuted me …..I will protect you from persecution! He did not say ” You will be loved by everyone because of me……………! His Apostles were not protected from their enemies…they suffered as Jesus did. Thousands of Christians are being killed today……. Has the persecution ever rally stopped? Have any of them been removed and ascended into heaven before being killed? Why would American Christians be any different?

( you wrote in another message today that Jesus said to e spect to be persecuted! Which is your understanding?)

The only time I have heard this taught was when I first heard it from a pulpit. The doctrine of the Rapture, with the saints being removed before anything could hurt them. ( origin -Margaret Mc Donald, age 15, had a vision in 1830 )

Look around ! Who as untimately removed from the earth in the days of Noah and Sodom and Gommora?

The wicked were removed both times!!!! In other words, who left the planet earth and who remained on the plant earth?

We could throw up our hands and agree with the Bible’s critics who insist that this is a blatant error or contradiction. A more judicious approach would be to grapple with the problem of what is called phenomenological language. (The illusion or appearance of something, “the way we see it” from our perspective. As they appear to us, not necessarily as they really are. The aim of the writer is to make a theological statement, a truth about God and man and his world, he’s not using modern scientific precision and technical terminology.

Scripture frequently describes events in terms of how they appear to the observer. The Bible does not “teach” that the sun revolves around the earth, but it does speak about sunrises and sunsets. (Even modern scientists do this when they are using ordinary language. Listen to what the meteorologist on your local TV station says about the sun’s “rising” and “setting.”)

The most obvious use of phenomenological language in the Bible is its use of human terms to describe God. The Bible speaks of His coming and of His going, of His becoming angry, of His turning from wrath. He is described as having arms, hands, a face, and feet. Yet this multitude of references to God via human imagery is qualified by sober biblical warnings and reminders that God is not a man. It is noteworthy that in these “troubling” passages the qualifier is spelled out precisely in these terms: God “is not a man that He should relent [change His mind]” (1 Sam. 15:29).

Did you ever see me say Jesus was an angel, NOOOOO !!!! Adam was created by the dust of the ground and God breath life into him, the first man, Eve was made from part of Adam Rib as the marriage of man & woman was made in the beginning. Jesus supernaturally by God from Mary was made by God. Angels we’re made by God before all off the other’s came here. Angels are angelic and they are ” sons of God ” in Genesis not of Cain & Seth, that 5th century heresy was the first time you heard of that. Give me a break. Leave it alone, God is not the author of confusion, he doesn’t ever contradict himself ever. I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH what we already know that the [ Giants ] Nephiluim are angelic beings who could take on human form as alway’s a man, they did take daughters of men, from Adam & Eve and created Hybrids, this is the last I ever speak of this as you all got nothing. Let God be true and every man a liar. Leave it alone, I see what some of you are doing here and you have to answer to it.You sitting here arguing about whether Giant’s are angels instead of trying to get folk’s saved as we are ( indeed ) in the end time’s. I will not entertain anybody again about this topic as you just can’t handle nor do you wan’t the truth. Do not cast you’re pearls before the swine less they trample them every time. I am done after this post, GOD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THING’s so worry about serving him instead of man and trying to cause confusion.

We are protected by the blood of Christ and if we serve him we are covered. percecuted does not mean death in all cases. Yes, some will be martyred for God, but that will mostly be in the Middle East as it was before when Rome killed millions of Christians in which it back fired. Come on Guy’s, Jesus already defeated death and when we are reborn again we too are also as Jesus and we will have ” eternal life ” so what is you’re point ??? Come on, I been doing so long and studying my entire life and I see all of Gods work falling by the wayside with these comments. Jesus was the only begotten son and only by him can we gain heaven and nobody else. Because Adam & Eve sinned we inherited that sin and is why we must all be born again, ( saved ) and to pick up the cross and follow and serve God & Jesus in all we do, that is how we get salvation. Punishment is not for Gods people but for unbelievers, evil doers, followers of Satan, and sorry but the fallen angels through the command of Satan are the one’s who corrupt mankind but don’t get it twisted, God gave him no power over us and he has none unless we give it too him so don’t say because of these fallen one’s, we have ( free will ) so being saved we have nothing to worry about. It’s up to us not the fallen one’s what our life’s entail, got it, but we must be reborn again !!!! That simple. So sad people really don’t understand God & Jesus at all. We can live, we are free as long as we are ( saved ) and serving God and not man and Satan, obedience, that is what it is all about. Satan has no power over us !!!!!! Period !!!!!!

If you knew anything about God you would know he is in control and he does not punish his people,he removes them from evil as he did Lott & his family, God punishes the wicked, evil, he has not appointed us to wrath and he will remove his ( church ) soon !!!

You can believe what you wan’t, the rapture ( Harpazo ) is real and few have been raptures already if you know God and his word you know who they are. I am not even gonna to entertain that but the ( Church ) will be removed soon in these end time’s before Satan is given 3.5 year’s to do what he want’s because man kind has put God out and are serving him. Everything is in the bible and don’t twist my word’s about what I said. Jesus said just know they hated me before they hated you, being a Christian we will be hated because we are what is good and right and why we have been attacked and hated. If you see where most of the killing are coming from it is in the Middle East where you folk’s fail to understand that is where and what it is all about. The holy land, Isreal, ( Jerusalem ) and if you knew anything that land was given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their ( family ) and nobody can take it because it belongs to God and also there prophecy for ( us ) and different for the ( Jew’s ) please start reading you’re bible!!!! ( kjv ) as I stand on that ! I have been to schools, groups, for 35 year’s and I stand on that bible.

Don’t play with me please! I have a job to do and that is to get people saved and we are not suppose to fear anything or anybody but God. So to say that these fallen a one’s have any say in our lives is false doctrine as they have none. We are Christians are watching and discerning the time’s we are in and we are at the end. The only role these fallen angels have are their demon offspring who we’re killed who are disembodied spirits who they are what people call ( aliens ) they are being used to steal souls from God as they convince people God isn’t real and that aliens made everything as that is the lie we have all been taught since grade school. Everything we ever learned throw it in the trash because it all came from Lucifer – Satan, devil, dragon, serpent, all of it, our education, everything in this world has come from the ” god of this world ” and God and the Bible through our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ is our only way out, period !!!

The fallens angels can’t take control of anything, God wiped them out with the flood the first time but read it said in those day’s and after, many are in darkness right now, but even though they walk amongst us they have no power over us and we have ” free will ” and I fear no man, no fallen angels, the only person I fear is ( God ) that is it. Get real, please study the bible and get as many saved as you can as time is short here, very short !!!

Let’s play game’s anymore HERE !!! We as people control our own live’s and not Satan, fallen angels, the government whom Satan run’s, we have God, Jesus, the gospel, and that is our protection from the evil of this world. So get SAVED, repent, serve Jesus and God in everything you do and you will have eternal life, I am not talking about hypocrites but those true Christians who get it and gave their lives to God for Jesus, we are protected and death has no power over us, Jesus already took care of that !!!!

I agree with you about the False Teachers. This was going on in the 1st century and today it is exploding more than ever. Cults, new age mysticism mixed with Christianity, feel-good prosperity health & wealth gospel, teachings that contradict the Bible such as annihilationism, teaching that we dont have to work, teachings that we dont sin any more after salvation, serpent seed doctrine, Gap Theory, Theistic Evolution, Signs & Wonders movement, Laughing in the spirit and so many other crazy teachings.

When we ask people to read John so they can understand Salvation we also must point them to Genesis chapters 3 through 6. Chapter 3 reveals to them that Man is fallen because of Original sin.

Chapters 4-5 will show them the 2 ways man can go, either follow after Self and be Wicked or follow after, call upon the Name of the Lord and be Righteous.

Chapter 6 will show them God has limits on His patience and he seeks people who walk with him as Noah ‘Walked with God’.

When/if you go telling unbelievers the Fantasy stories of Demons/Humans having families that turned into Monstrous Giants you do nothing but Confuse unbelievers, turning the Bible into a Book of Science Fiction & Myth.

The road to Salvation is to share the Love of Christ and share the Truth about what he says about Our Sin, not Bunny Trail teaching speculations of Fables.

If I understood the bible. Brother, I been studying for 35 year’s now, please !!! I do know that God has punished people from the beginning until now, but Jesus was sent here for that very reason and why we must be born again. Punishment is not for Gods people man, yes, some are used by God in death but that won’t be all of us, he does that to bring glory to him and too let the works know he is God, those very people will have a special place and rule with Jesus later on.

Glad you see the gospel rightly then. So the judgement in Gen. 6 was on ungodly people just as it will be during the Great Tribulation.

He has not appointed us unto wrath.

But for people who need salvation we should not be confusing them with Myths & Fables. The focus needs to be on their realization they are sinful and will be held accountable for that sin and only the blood of Jesus saves.

I don’t agree with that, many Christians anyway’s do not believe in Giant’s and that is their fault, all anybody has to do is read the bible, but the Giants are not even what it is about, it is about (1 ) man who was sent here by God as himself as Satan already tried to stop this and is why the Giants are here in the first place. Anyway God love the world so much that gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ to atone for mans sin. But because you get saved, if you do not repent and give you’re life to God and you continue to sin and live unholy then you we’re never saved in the first place. We become ( new creatures ) we put away the old thing’s. When I was a child I did Childess things when I become a man I put them away. We must loose our life to gain life. That means we must first get saved, repent of all sin, and live as Jesus did. To say teaching people about the fallen one’s will chase them away is a stretch, anyway my entire life the churches never taught us about this anyway, it wasn’t in the sermons, I only learn by going to school and reading the bible and Ephesians 6:12 tells the entire story about what man kind battles against. You cannot run away from the bible or even say that talking about will have people run or get confused, that happens anyway and then these false pastors and teachers as well, they do enough damage as it is. I stand on truth .

Well the bible is not about just Giants and that should not lead people away, but show them they have a big part and influence on the world and they did in the beginning as they will in the end. We need to teach people first that they must be ( born again ) that is the first thing and then tell them about who Jesus is and what he did for all mankind, he defeated death and Lucifer and only through him and nobody else are we saved and redeemed and get salvation. We need to teach people they must not sin anymore, they must not be of this world and the thing’s in it like entertainment, movies, sports, Satanism, these are all worldly thing that we must put out lives and we must serve God with all our heart, soul, mind. We must be obedient and keep all Jesus commandments, that is what you teach people. That is exactly why God said not to be deceived and that my people parish for lack of knowledge, study and show thyself approved. So we cannot shy against anything written in the bible. After all it isn’t anything we do, but God bring’s us to him but as ambassadors to Christ and watchman it is our job to spread the gospel as what Jesus said and many people are taught in these churches today Jesus died for our sins so they can continue sinning and that is heresy and not true, Jesus taught love love in truth and repentance and that we must be born again and live a righteous, holy life, that is what he taught.

By now the entire world know’s about God & Satan so it is up to us to spread the word in truth & love and the message of the gospel and only through Christ are we redeemed. We cannot shy away from the bible, all people have to do is study it.

You can disagree all you wan’t ! I don’t think you are understanding this. We need to teach people that we are In the end time’s and that Jesus is at the door and it is coming back to earth, that they must be born again and obedient, holy, stop sinning in order for their salvation and eternal life. That is what we need to be teaching but to shy away from the fallen angels and not talk about them is a stretch brother. It must be talk about because it come’s up and is part of end time prophecy, my point was we need both be arguing about whether the fallen angels are Giants, but getting people saved but you are not going to be able to avoid it. So my point let not the focus be on that but their salvation and how to obtain it. Time is to short and I got plenty of work to do in a short time. Jesus is at the door now.

I mean come on, what do you think God is telling us here. The with man kind is the adversary, Lucifer the anoited fallen cherub who by using his 1/3 of the angel and their demon offspring have corrupted the world and man and the bottom line is ( Jesus ) is the way the truth the life and no man come into the father but by him. He is our Saviour to the world and our salvation, period !!!

What, it was the 6th day Adam & Eve was created and the 7th day, the sabbath God rested from all the work and why today we are still to keep it, it did not go away on the cross. The sabbath day is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

Seem’s to be trouble makers coming here mock God.God is not mocked and you only hurting yourselves. ONLY JESUS SAVES !!! Today, let Jesus into you’re heart and get saved. Only if you’re name is found written in the lambs book can you gain heaven.

Dean you done fell and bumped you’re head! You need to go read the bible, please do not speak of what you know nothing of. You are being serious or you are mocking, I hope the latter. The races did not come to after man, come on now. There is only 7 day’s and not 8 day’s. I am so laughing, but seriously it not funny, you got you’re real Christians, you’re hipocrites, then you got you’re scoffers and mockers and God is not mocked. Live it up, joke, falsely teach and mislead people as you will stand before God one day and we will see how funny it is then. You not hurting me but yourselves.

I’ve been through many evangelism classes, seminars, sermons, etc and never once heard anyone teach/preach that we witness to others by using fallen angels/demons as a tool.

The subject of demons is a doctrinal subject for those already saved.

We must share the Gospel only to unbelievers. Now using the coming Great Tribulation is a good tool because it speaks of the punishment for all who are Unrepentant.

The focus is on mans sin, his need for a Savior, Jesus perfect sacrifice, his love, grace & forgiveness and man’s response which is to repent and faith in Jesus as Lord & Savior. For this is the Gospel.

Take heed : God is nothing to play with and in closing we shy away from nothing and be careful what you say and teach because if you cause you’re brother to fall the blood will be on your hands. God is the same today, tomorrow, forever !!!

R u serious !!! That take’s the cake. I mean I have to share this with other brother’s & sister’s. The reason we share the gospel is about ( salvation ) man, I have never heard anything like this before. I mention 35 year’s which is a long time because I have seen it all, heard it all, I see all the deception and as a watchman, an ambassador to Christ it is my job to speak out and warn people of the thing’s I see. All our job as a Christian is to plant the seed and the rest is up to the person what they do with it. You give them the good ammo needed to steer them in the right direction and they will get their meet that way, it is up to them to do that not us, but causing confusion is terrible. I have never heard such a thing, some of us have been doing this 60 year’s, that don’t even sound right, are you saying you have ? No, I don’t believe that. People get fed meat by you telling them how to get saved and serve God & Jesus proper and by reading the bible and studying they will get fed. The gospel is all about examples of early man and modern man about what we have done and did and what the punishment of our actions are, but most important thing the gospel teaches is all about our ” salvation ” that is the main reason why we do it. I see exactly what you are doing and I don’t like it one bit. What was the point in God incarnate in the flesh coming here to save us as people if it wasn’t for salvation, are you kidding me man. I have never in the 51 year’s I been alive heard anybody say to stop harping about salvation and they need to be fed meat !?!? That the entire point of why ( Jesus ) was sent here, God made hell for the fallen angels as it was not intended for us, but unless we are reborn and grafted into Christ we will never see the kingdom of heaven, that is what the gospel is about, ETERNAL LIFE, or TOTAL DAMNATION !!! I will pray for you big time. We come in truth & love and not lies and deception. The entire bible was written for us to have salvation and protection from the adversary that ole serpent, dragon, devil, Satan, aka : Lucifer !!! Paul Bagely is a false teacher but as he slway’s say’s ” Are you kidding me ” You can fool some of them but never me. God told us not to be deceived and that for it was possible even the elect would be fooled.

You wonder why their are non- believers, because the devil, Satan, has blinded their eye’s, what we been taught in school which was all lies was the tip of the iceberg, evolution vs creation, these we’re the thing’s that the Satan did so he could be served as God and this is where we are today. The assault started in the Garden of Eden with Adam & Eve and look at where we are today. God gave us the bible to warn us about the adversary and how to protect us from him and what we had to do to get our salvation. You get you’re meat by reading and studying. What the heck is the point of anything then, I can feed you meat, but you continue living Worldly and sinning so where is the salvation in that ? You tell them who the adversary we fight against Ephesians 6:12 ( kjv ) and you tell them how we are protected and how to get salvation so we don’t end up in hell, that is what it is all about. I am so done with this.

The bible was written by the inspiration of God through men from creation to today. God made us, he owns us, we came with rules and because man keep breaking them and would and could not follow them that God ( creator ) sent himself here as ( Jesus ) to teach love and the remission of sin and that we may be saved from hell fire. The bible show’s us examples of what man did by serving false gods and not God and what happen to them, their punishment in which the fallens one’s corrupted mankind and God destroyed the world with a flood and he started over but this time he gave the Satan no power over us and gave us ( humanity ) a chance this time of whom we will serve !!! So Jesus came here as God for us and our salvation bottom line. That is what it is all about. ********* Jesus Christ ********** it is all about him and nothing else. Our job is to plant the seed and the people are to bring forth good fruit as that is our job only. All thing’s come together for the good of God, HE IS IN CONTROL !!!

Whether we all disagree on this topic or other topics on this site such as The Great Tribulation you would think that we all should know about the importance of witnessing and planting seeds to unbelievers. We dont know how long it might take before the Lord turns that seed into Salvation but it’s up to him to bringing someone to Salvation so I agree with all you said.

No man know’s the day or hour but the father. But the question was ask 2,000 year’s what would be the sign of Jesus return and he told us exactly when and the signs and thing’s to look for, so we as Christians whom study and know the bible see all these thing’s and event’s happen one after the other. We are to ask people do they know about our lord & Saviour Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross ? Then we witness to them about how to get saved which is the first most important thing, then we tell them how! That is all we are suppose to do is plant the seed. We tell them they should get a bible ( kjv ) and read day & night that is how you learn, and fellowship and going to church but today’s church on 2 in 10 if you are lucky are teaching God’s word properly and bringing people to them. What is the problem man. We are to plant the seed. I come in truth and love and most can’t handle it. We are certainly in the end time’s and if you knew anything about God and the bible you would know he does everything in 7’s and the earth is not millions of year’s old as we been taught in school by Satan himself, but it is only 6,000 year’s old and 1 day to God is as 1,000 year’s so right now we are in the 6,000 year as the earth as we call it is not gonna make it past 7,000 and so 1,000 year’s is for Jesus 1000 year reign, then 1 more final battle and then the world will be all judged and then we the ( church ) and the ( jew’s ) will all have our place in ( heaven or hell ) and then there will be a ( New Heaven & Earth ) and we have our final resting place, no more sin, death, pain, we have incredible new bodies. That is what it is all about man, Salvation in the name of ” Jesus Christ ” so I don’t get you. Stop playing around here, time is very short and some of us Christians are aware of the signs of the end and we are right there. Study and learn, read everyday. Go out and get people saved and explain to them what is going on and how to get protected and their salvation. Just know everything you think and say and what you teach and tell people will come up and I really don’t sense the urgency on some people part where we are in bible prophecy !!!

All of this is going on right now, the ” new world order ” just as the bible said in rev that there will be a ( 1 ) Government ( 1 ) money ( 1 ) religion : which is Satans kingdom which he will have a short space before Jesus come’s back the 2 nd coming not the Rapture. Do you not see how the ( pope ) been going around and made family day which is setting up ” Sunday Law ” which will be soon forced upon us, the ” Together ” event they had in Washington D.C bringing all the religions to ( 1 ) called the ( ecumenical movement ) in which the Roman Catholic Church is the mother of harlots and God said to come out of here my people !!!! Come on people, you need to be ought here telling everybody about Jesus Christ and how to get saved and get their salvation. BOTTOM LINE !!!!

Be careful what you say and teach !!!! Do not be deceived. Believe no man, not even me, search the scriptures for yourself and get the truth using the ( kjv ) not the ( nkjv ) it is another trick of Satan. Get it together !!!!

No I am not better than anybody, nor do I think that, but don’t discredit me and all the year’s I been serving God and be sat when I see false teaching that I will sit back and allow my brother’s & sister’s to fall and stumble as the Satan is out here working hard as he know’s his time is almost up and he just trying to steal souls from God and that is his main purpose, I be darn I let that happen without giving the truth in love. You don’t see me out here making a ton of video’s and with these fake Christmas pages with all the symbolism in it that to a man such as me with great discernment I can spot them in 1 second, No, I teach only using Gods word so I am not error, I didn’t make this up, God wrote this through men, he inspired the bible.

And in response to the great tribulation period, that is a period for all the unbelievers, ungodly, sinners, etc, some who claim to be Christian but don’t live like it are not, I believe 100 % that Jesus is gonna remove the church before this happens, which is the ( rapture ) not the second coming, people are not gonna be witnessing then as God is removing all his protection from the world and allowing Satan to rule, but you bet some will come out of that as they will truly find God and they will witness and see he is who he has said he is and that he is control of Satan and good & evil and if you choose Satan over him you will be punish for the wages of sin is death. Yes, some will be spared during this time. I believe 1000 % in the rapture ( Harpazo ) of the church. Jesus said in my father house are many mansions and that has prepared a place for you and you, that if it wan’t true he would tell you so. We are not the ( Jew’s ) but the ( Church Age ) we are the bride of Christ as we are married to him. God has not appointed us to wrath and no man can pluck us out of his hand.

Meet the lord in the ” Clouds ” Not on earth as in the 2nd coming when he come’s to earth in the Mt of Olives where he last left. I am so done here. I come in peace & love in truth and please get saved now and give you’re lives to God & Jesus and repent of all sins and keep all his law’s & comments & sabbath day which did not go away on the cross. Gods sabbath was made in creation and was not made for just the Jews as many teach falsely, the sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. The Roman Catholic Church change the sabbath to sundown and the entire world is serving God in error, find a Saturday church if you can. I am done here, Please get saved & come to Christ. Knock and he will open the door. No matter what you ever did in you’re life today, you can be forgiven today and get saved, and you will have the promise God gave us through his only begotten son ( Jesus Christ ) in no other name are we saved !!!! Peace and love to all.

We must not speak condescendingly to others on here. I would hope most people are already saved. Typically those who are not redeemed have very little desire to come on a Christian forum to talk about the Great Tribulation, the Rapture, the sons of God, and many other topics on here.

Now there may be some on here who truly don’t know the Lord but we must be careful in speaking down to others who disagree with us and tell them they need to get saved.

That is about the same as those who tell other Christians if you don’t speak in tongues then you dont have the Holy Spirit so you are not saved.

I think I am about done with this thread because people seem to have made their mind up on this topic no matter what scriptures one shows them so there is just not much point in continuing on.

Agreed, move on and witness. I never talk down on people, you can’t expect folk’s to sit back and not defend themselves if they feel they are being attacked. What I do is give the truth in love and Gods word he was inspired by him through men, I give only Gods word and I make nothing up. I love everybody and everyone and I just wan’t people to serve the proper ( God ) of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and not these false ( gods ) which so many people and religions are doing and what is the 1st commandment. There is a lot of work and teaching needed to be done right now as to what time’s we are in so we must never run away from it or feel we need to teach certain part’s and not other’s as that is not how it work’s. We need to teach the death, burial , ressurection, of our lord and Saviour ( Jesus Christ ) and how we must be saved and our name’s found written in the book of life and that we must love, repent, and serve only God & Jesus, and keep his law’s & commandment’s, sabbath, as that is what separates us from everybody else and make’s us Gods. Peace & Love !!!!

In response to sons of God as being angels in Gen. 6:2: (perhaps this has been mentioned already, please forgive me in repeating this if this is the case).

In Luke 3:38, “…which was the son of God” is referring to Adam. Adam is made of flesh as we are made of flesh and scripture is calling him “son of God”. Though, Adam fell and committed sin in the Garden, now we are born into sin as his children (Ps 51:5). The “son” part of the phase from Luke 3:38 denotes flesh because we know that Adam was made of flesh as we are made of flesh. So, now looking at Gen 6:2, those “sons of God”, as the evidence seen, are the children from Adam. Jesus was robed in flesh and he is called “son of God” (but, Jesus is extra special to us, and we know why…), but he is called the “last Adam” (1 Cor. 15:35) while being a “son of God”. So, you can see that a person made of flesh can be a “son of God”. It was the sons of Adam that were marrying and giving in marriage Gen 6:2 “… and they took them wives of all which they chose”.

Why would God be so angry that He was sorry that He had created Mankind, if the ‘sons of God’ mentioned in Genesis 6 were the human children of Adam? He was angry enough to kill all living except Noah and his family and some animals….

You are tripping and God will deal with you. Beware of false teachers in the ‘ end time’s ‘ I am a bible believer and believe in God and the bible and clearly God talk’s about the fallen angels that left their 1 st estate and did what they wasn’t suppose too and that is why he created hell for them where they are chained now and await judgement. Let God be true and everyman a liar. Don’t believe that stupid post but read and study for yourselves. GOD nor the bible contradicts itself and God is the same today , tomorrow , forever. There in fact is offspring of fallen angels that lived on the earth and we’re evil and that is God destroyed them with the flood.

Look a Rets pic… One eye illuminati symbolism. Do not be deceived especially now in these ‘ end time’s ‘ . You can fool some more of the people but no worry as vengeance is Gods and you will stand before him.

Fallen angels/human theories are reading something into the text that is not there. These Fables were warned by the Apostle Paul in 1 of his letters to avoid.

And this Fable was 1 of many Fables that had come from Hebrew Rabbis who were influenced by other cultures that dreamed up all kinds of Myths/Stories that tickled the imaginations of people.

Please read Genesis 6 over & over again. The pattern will become clear that the Wrath of God was about Man’s sin, not some alleged Fallen Angels who cannot even possibly have intercourse with human women.

And not just Genesis 6 but all scripture it is wise to read the text several times over, line by line, verse by verse, then read the previous chapter and post verses as well to understand the Full Context of scripture.

You are so full of it… God is mocked and he told us about scoffers & mockers , about false teacher’s , just read the ( kjv ) and never believe a man. I can see right through people and no worry as soon the church will be leaving and the wicked and unrighteousness will be dealt with by God and good luck to you. I pray that all will come to repentance and get saved.

Brother u should not insult others on here or accuse them of serving the enemy. In jude when the angels lost their first estate this is clearly speaking of their previous dOman of light,the light of the lord. Now they are all kept in chains of darkness, their current domain for they serve satan.this reality is so clear but some people love to dwell on the possibility of fantasy, of myths and fables because it entertains the mind and it gives a certain spiritualization twist to the flood account,but reading genesis 6 it is abundantly clear the wrath of God was 100% on man because of man’s sin, nothing at all about demonss.

The human fallen angel myth was developed by jewish rabbis who were influenced by pagan cultures with similar gods,human mating fables. This is 1 of the reasons the book of Enoch and other false books never were canon of scripture.

Genesis 4 4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten[a] a man with the help of the Lord.” 2 And again, she bore his brother Abel.

17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad fathered Mehujael, and Mehujael fathered Methushael, and Methushael fathered Lamech. 19 And Lamech took two wives. The name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe. 22 Zillah also bore Tubal-cain; he was the forger of all instruments of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

23 Lamech said to his wives:

“Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say: I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me. 24 If Cain’s revenge is sevenfold, then Lamech’s is seventy-sevenfold.”

Nothing in the Bible suggests Eve desired someone else. That is ‘Forcing something into the Text’ that is not there.

The angels that fell in Jude are All the Angels, not some sub-group. When Satan rebelled he lost his First estate and when his followers came with him they too lost their first estate.

Some versions use the word ‘dwelling’. Either word is describing a place, a place they were given to carry out their Ministering assignments but they lost that place and their assignments because they sinned against the Lord God.

so we are not necessarily lost if we sin after we are born again? I turned from sin, wanted nothing but Christ, then was tempted and sinned greatly (like David) again and repented. Is temptation ever over?

No my friend, it is not ever over as long as we are in this Corrupted temple. When we get our glorified bodies only then will we no longer face temptation. The tempter will be vanquished and sin will not be present in heaven.