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Please inform us, oh benevolent Water Mage, as to who among the battle rap community, does not say incredibly stupid shit veiled in uncommon vocabulary and metaphor?

D Lor
The Saurus
Head ICE
Hollow

just some names that come to mind

..And many others at times... A lot of rappers material is silly and stupid but they do so without pretension... for example, S.O.N.S. say stupid shit and don't try to make it sound smart, its fun, pure and simple

Bender isn't fun he's for pretentious neckbearded hipsters who think the lyrics of Eyedea and Sage Francis are profound

..And many others at times... A lot of rappers material is silly and stupid but they do so without pretension... for example, S.O.N.S. say stupid shit and don't try to make it sound smart, its fun, pure and simple

Bender isn't fun he's for pretentious neckbearded hipsters who think the lyrics of Eyedea and Sage Francis are profound

Lol....if you don't like Bender, that's fine. The truth is that I also think he tends to simply rhyme a bunch of non-sequitur shit together and tries to pass it off as grandiloquent ....and although every battle rapper has done this at some point, a few of Bender's rhyme schemes seem to represent the quintessential examples of this practice, however everyone you just listed has been guilty of the same thing. If you think they haven't, you're delusional as to what battle rap truly is.

Battle rap is actually the art of insulting one's opponent using euphemistic and verbose rhyme patterns. It's what these guys do.

Yes, Bender has come up with some corny shit, but he has also come up with some great lines as well, just like every other battle rapper.

If you don't like him because he has a "neck beard", well that's your problem, but I'd say shitting on a battler solely because of his appearance is pretty ignorant.

Lol....if you don't like Bender, that's fine. The truth is that I also think he tends to simply rhyme a bunch of non-sequitur shit together and tries to pass it off as grandiloquent ....and although every battle rapper has done this at some point, a few of Bender's rhyme schemes seem to represent the quintessential examples of this practice, however everyone you just listed has been guilty of the same thing. If you think they haven't, you're delusional as to what battle rap truly is.

Battle rap is actually the art of insulting one's opponent using euphemistic and verbose rhyme patterns. It's what these guys do.

Yes, Bender has come up with some corny shit, but he has also come up with some great lines as well, just like every other battle rapper.

If you don't like him because he has a "neck beard", well that's your problem, but I'd say shitting on a battler solely because of his appearance is pretty ignorant.

-never said he was verbose
-never said he was corny
-didn't say the neckbeard was the problem the issue i have with bender was spelled out in plain English, my friend!

it's much easier to critique these things that i didn't say than to critique my actual assessment of Bender ^_^

You completely avoided addressing my main point which is that the people you listed as not being pretentious have indeed come up with pretentious schemes in the past.

If not pretentious, then certainly silly and nonsensical, and tbh, I'd trade a little pretension for cogency any day.

Also, for someone who now says "the neckbeard isn't the problem", you certainly wrote disparagingly about people with "neckbeards" in your previous post.

EDIT: Neckbeards are people too.

Why would I address a point you made when you made that point as a diversion from my critique? If I address your rebuttles (each one being a diversion from my essential argument in each post) Then I just get sucked into a labrynth of diversions and smoke and mirrors.. ive encountered your kind before lol...

but.. ill address your point, but im not addressing any other point you make until you directly rebuttle my original argument..

I can't recall a time head ICE hollow or The Saurus had a pretentious scheme.. examples?

And even if they did, it doesn't change my critique of Bender's style.. and he is by far the most pretentious with his writing.. He has the biggest discrepancy between verbose, pretentious language and actual intellectual content of any battler

Why would I address a point you made when you made that point as a diversion from my critique? If I address your rebuttles (each one being a diversion from my essential argument in each post) Then I just get sucked into a labrynth of diversions and smoke and mirrors.. ive encountered your kind before lol...

but.. ill address your point, but im not addressing any other point you make until you directly rebuttle my original argument..

I can't recall a time head ICE hollow or The Saurus had a pretentious scheme.. examples?

And even if they did, it doesn't change my critique of Bender's style.. and he is by far the most pretentious with his writing.. He has the biggest discrepancy between verbose, pretentious language and actual intellectual content of any battler

The Saurus has had plenty of pretentious schemes...

Hollow and Head Ice have had plenty of schemes that are just plain stupid and make very little, if any, sense and like I said, I'd trade a little pretension for cogency any day.

I didn't make a point "as a diversion from your critique", man. It's called a counterpoint.

Also, the word is "rebuttal", not "rebuttle".

EDIT: Also...I'll provide an example of a nonsensical or pretentious scheme from Head Ice, Hollow, or The Saurus when you provide an example of a battle rap verse that actually contains genuine intellectual subject matter.

Hollow and Head Ice have had plenty of schemes that are just plain stupid and make very little, if any, sense and like I said, I'd trade a little pretension for cogency any day.

I didn't make a point "as a diversion from your critique", man. It's called a counterpoint.

Also, the word is "rebuttal", not "rebuttle".

EDIT: Also...I'll provide an example of a nonsensical or pretentious scheme from Head Ice, Hollow, or The Saurus when you provide an example of a battle rap verse that actually contains genuine intellectual subject matter.

But it IS a diversion from my point!! Because my argument was not that "BENDER is the ONLY person who has EVERY done X".. If that was my argument then your points would indeed be counterpoint... but that was not my argument...

I am critiquing his style and although other battlers may be guilty of the same offense to a much lesser degree... it matters not! If I say X has particularily bad delivery and you say "yeah well many other rappers have had bad delivery at times too!" That's NOT a counterpoint... Because it doesn't change the fact that "X has particularily bad delivery" it doesn't challenge the veracity of the original claim...

So would you defend Diz against his critics by saying that "every battler has had moments of bad writing"? That's no defense and doesn't change the fact that Diz is the worst offender

man im done giving out freebies teaching ppl how to think on the internet for free lol... PEACE

B Magic would get killed by Bender. This battle with Big T was lightwork for Bender, "This battle is like Hugh Heffner with a huge heffer, I can do better." and Bender still won. Syd Viscious and Arcane classic battles btw.

But it IS a diversion from my point!! Because my argument was not that "BENDER is the ONLY person who has EVERY done X".. If that was my argument then your points would indeed be counterpoint... but that was not my argument...

I am critiquing his style and although other battlers may be guilty of the same offense to a much lesser degree... it matters not! If I say X has particularily bad delivery and you say "yeah well many other rappers have had bad delivery at times too!" That's NOT a counterpoint... Because it doesn't change the fact that "X has particularily bad delivery" it doesn't challenge the veracity of the original claim...

So would you defend Diz against his critics by saying that "every battler has had moments of bad writing"? That's no defense and doesn't change the fact that Diz is the worst offender

man im done giving out freebies teaching ppl how to think on the internet for free lol... PEACE

You're completely missing the crux of your own point, as well as my point.

You want to map this out logically? Let's do so;

Your point: "Bender's schemes are pretentious and are prime examples of simplistic concepts veiled in uncommon vocabulary, therefore he is not a good battle rapper".

My counter-point: "Many battle rappers have written and performed pretentious schemes in the same vein as Bender. If they have not written and performed pretentious rhyme schemes, then they have been guilty of an equally egregious, if not worse crime such as writing and performing schemes that are indisputably nonsensical. Therefore, Bender is actually an above average battle rapper."

It's as if you're attempting to completely ignore the fact that your original posts implied that Bender is actually not a good battle rapper.

Quote:

Bender says really stupid shit in a way that sounds really intelligent to people of mid-tier or lower intellect

but if u aren't fooled by the language and u consider the actual meaning, his lines are so stupid and people are morons for thinking his shit is clever

This^ is the conclusion of your logic. This^ is your hypothesis. That Bender is not clever, which carries with it the connotation that he is not a good battle rapper. If people are "morons" for enjoying a Bender scheme, what are they for enjoying a Head Ice scheme?

You're completely missing the crux of your own point, as well as my point.

You want to map this out logically? Let's do so;

Your point: "Bender's schemes are pretentious and are prime examples of simplistic concepts veiled in uncommon vocabulary, therefore he is not a good battle rapper".

My counter-point: "Many battle rappers have written and performed pretentious schemes in the same vein as Bender. If they have not written and performed pretentious rhyme schemes, then they have been guilty of an equally egregious, if not worse crime such as writing and performing schemes that are indisputably nonsensical. Therefore, Bender is actually an above average battle rapper."

It's as if you're attempting to completely ignore the fact that your original posts implied that Bender is actually not a good battle rapper.

This^ is the conclusion of your logic. This^ is your hypothesis. That Bender is not clever, which carries with it the connotation that he is not a good battle rapper. If people are "morons" for enjoying a Bender scheme, what are they for enjoying a Head Ice scheme?

As we all know Bender is "that guy" that u hear about on battle rap forums... but have never seen battle... u have thought about watching one of his battles before... but then u see what he looks like... and immediately change ur mind...

it leaves us kinda curious as to why he gets talked about on forums so much... but never in real life as he has been unsuccessfully trying to make it to mid tier for years...

as is a favor to all of us... i went ahead and watched his rds vs big t... and have the answers for us... here is why he will never make it out of bottom tier...

- image: he has an image that only has the potential to garner canadian fans and possibly some fans from the "freak states" like north dakotah, montana, etc... in america we laugh at kids with that "Jim The Mountain Man" swag trying to rap and would be to ashamed to say we are a fan of it because this country is "the home of swag" so to speak..

- Bars: Hes trying to something that played out yeeeeeeaaaars ago... rely on spitting raps that rhyme alot... rather than good bars... when. say his bars were "wack" vs big t... i mean "Wiggety wiggety wack!"... absolute garbage that "we" wpuld never listen to...

can u believe that he actually said:

"i wore down this hatchet head... now theres nothin but the handle left... from choppin down the forest needed to build ur casket with"

this "is" a "real" quote... and the sad part is its from the first part of rd one... and it only gets worse lmfao

simple reasons - its not gonna happen lmfao

again this threwad was just kinda me doin the leg work for all of us as we kept hearing the name but never seen the kid battle... TRUST ME when i say... we were doing the right thing lmfao

That bar you quoted is funny is fuck. I gotta rewatch now, I don't remember him saying that

That "blood drippin down a giant T like a Crucifixtion" was kinda hot willy...

I love when people misquote things so horribly that the line becomes trash. If he said "giant T" that'd be stupid, but he said "big T" which was his opponent's name...

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