i'm pretty sure that the republicans don't have a corner on the market when it comes to stupid things. pretty sure also that you would not want the entire democrat party judged by the stupid things that come out of the mouths of your folks.....flag on mars, etc.

you know, people do have different opinions about things. just because you disagree, does not mean that the opinion they have expressed is stupid.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Human biology is not a matter of opinion. I fully realize I don't share the opinions of the universe, and I can hear differing opinions without calling someone stupid. But facts are facts. And the stuff I keep hearing come out of male Republican mouths (thankfully, a relative few) is pure stupidity.

I would think most moderate Republicans would want to distance themselves from these guys, not defend them.

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The pedigree of honey Does not concern the bee; A clover, any time, to him Is aristocracy. ---Emily Dickinson

no you can't. you are a liberal. you can pretend to hear what others say, but because you believe your intentions are the best, your opinion is all that matters to you. you believe that you have the moral high ground and everyone else and their opinions are trash to be swept up.

just what biology are you talking about, BTW?

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Let's look at it this way. When you think you can make people safer by taking their protection away, then advertising that you have done so, I don't think you can get any stupider and still feed yourself.

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"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

If you look at the number of anit-abortion introduced bills from the states, it it massive for the past two years compared to the previous twenty. Most mentioning the "war on women" are describing the bills trying to stop the women from having the individual decision on what happens to her body in regards to abortion. And we have bumbling fools from the right in the last election cycle talking about "rape babies" as if it was the left who "created" this war on women.

It is not some trumped up charge, being brought out for just political gain. It is a real. It is something that is happening.

For women who want to keep control of their own personal decisions in regards to abortion, there most certainly is a war on women being raged.

Sounds as if some got their butts kicked on the issue, and can only complain after the fact. The "right" is going to lose on this issue as long as it is an issue. Women do not want men telling them what they can and can not do. We are not the Taliban. Although in this country some would be more than willing to regulate and control everyone in society if they could impose their religious ideology on others and get away with it.

I wish we could have polticians work on issues of jobs, security, etc. And leave the "abortion" issue as a decision to be made by each women. But they will not.

For women who want to keep control of their own personal decisions in regards to abortion, there most certainly is a war on women being raged.

there has long been the acceptance of the notion that a womans body is her own. this is not true and it's about time we took a look at it.

women are designed, by nature or god, to be the carriers of life. it take a couple of things for that to happen. 1st, you must share you body with another in order to get pregnant. now i know that there are other ways, but they still involve another person...or two. 2nd, you must share your body with the new life.

those two things alone put the lie to the "this is my body. i can do as i please".

i do think that women should be able to control the timing of pregnancy. this is good for them and for their families. at the point where they have failed to do that, or circumstances brought on pregnancy, they are no longer the only life to consider. it is no longer their body.

public opinion is turning away from abortion on demand. stories like this one yesterday of the woman dying after getting an abortion at 33 week, further turn the public. that was a baby murdered, not a piece of tissue destroyed. the woman lost her life for that murder.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

For women who want to keep control of their own personal decisions in regards to abortion, there most certainly is a war on women being raged.

there has long been the acceptance of the notion that a womans body is her own. this is not true and it's about time we took a look at it.

women are designed, by nature of god, to be the carriers of life. it take a couple of things for that to happen. 1st, you must share you body with another in order to get pregnant. now i know that there are other ways, but they still involve another person...or two. 2nd, you must share your body with the new life.

those to things alone put the lie to the "this is my body. i can do as i please".

i do think that women should be able to control the timing of pregnancy. this is good for them and for their families. at the point where they have failed to do that, or circumstances brought on pregnancy, they are no longer the only life to consider. it is no longer their body.

public opinion is turning away from abortion on demand. stories like this one yesterday of the woman dying after getting an abortion at 33 week, further turn the public. that was a baby murdered, not a piece of tissue destroyed. the woman lost her life for that murder.

:goodpost: X:X X:X X:X X:X But........ :deadhorse: Your own good work will be your reward.

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Are gun laws a war on women? A woman with a gun and good training is probably the best defense against violence and rape. Also very effective gainst carjackings and home invasions against women at home with children. Perhaps the current economy has waged a war on women.Perhaps now the ones waging the true war on women are about to be exposed.

And the stuff I keep hearing come out of male Republican mouths (thankfully, a relative few) is pure stupidity.

I would think most moderate Republicans would want to distance themselves from these guys, not defend them.

Good one! :-D

Of course they will defend them, especially if they think the same way. There will be some "moderates" who will disguise their true intentions by focusing on the money factor of abortion. That being that the government should not be paying for abortions, the pill, etc. I probably agree with much of that.

But reality is, the right, to include most of the religious right, will not distance themselves from bumbling idiots campaigning on discussions of "rape babies" and other somewhat questionable stances. They can not distance themselves because deep down they agree with these stances. It is from a religious basis. It can not be "half way".

And yes, as stated by so many on the right, from Glen Beck to Rush and everyone in between, they keep suggesting that the country is turning, while stuffing millions into their pockets from those who want it to be true. But elections do have consequences. Women flee the right everytime one of the anti-abortion talking politicians opens their mouths.

I find it ironic when the side that is against abortion loses an election, then suggests that the majority is on their side. Yes, a majority of immigrants is on your side also. A majority of minorities is on your side also. You keep clicking your heels and saying it enough times, while pointing your fingers at gays, abortion, immigrants, minorities, women, and about every other group....while thinking you are winning.

Do you really think the right is about smaller government? Do you really think that the right will lower the debt? Do you really think they are any better at running the government?

It does not matter whether you said yes or no. Because the true intent of the right is about being moral police, and coming into your home to tell you what to do, just as much as they complain about the left.

For the record, I am actually against abortion. But I do not look to politicians to force my views upon others if they are so elected by my vote. Some things must be decided by each individual. I actually favor the right. But I know as long as they put people who want to talk about rape babies, "praying away gay", and throwing out 20 million immigrants as if none of them have done anything worth considered worthy for our society, I see the right as being on the losing end for the foreseeable future.

Honestly, I wonder if they could, just how self-rightious, and limiting would the right be if they could do everything they would want. As in the case of the prisoners and guards in the study years ago, where the guards took things to the extreme, I also wonder how far the right would go knowing their religious ideology and their willingness to demand for others to abide by their requirements.

But fear not. I do not think that will happen anytime soon. And because the right is more concerned about abortion, gays, and being the moral police, we have an idiot from the left in power. So now we stand back and complain about the country. We stand back and say thing about debt, taxes, unemployment, and security.

But the "right" really wants to talk about gays and abortion. A real shame. And so we have what we have. And we all will suffer for years to come.

Socialists on one side, the moral police on the other. And the country doomed because of it. Each side pointing fingers at each other.

I say the country should just through out all morals. Legalize cocaine,heroin, pot, driving while drunk. What harm is there in that. Let the people who want to have horses and sheep for husbands and wives have um. If a man wants to have a man for a wife and adopt and raise some kids in an unnatural family situation what the heck does it really matter. I not even going to mention pedophilia Cause I don't know how to spell it. Let all them welfare women have babies by men they don't even know their names so what if 80% of black babies are born without a legal daddy. They will be good like they are in Chicago. Or maybe we should teach those women to have abortions., oh I forgot they can't draw the welfare check for the illegitimate baby if he ain't born. If its alright to kill babies in the womb why is it not alright to kill babies in schools a child is a child is a child. One killed with a gun the other with a vacuum or whatever. And whats really wrong with killing anybody if he is in your way they just will cost the govt. money on Health Care and SS and Medicare down the road. And what is wrong with stealing someone else's money or cheating him out of it. He prolly gona spend it foolishly any way. So take it away from him and spend it more wisely the way you want. Like Lance did.This country don't need to bother with foolish things like religious morals much less moral police. Live and let die. It was all done in civilization's past and look how great they became.And while I'm thinking about why bother with this gun thing when we out grow all these morals we will not need guns cause everybody will love one another and live happily ever after like they did in Rome. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I say the country should just through out all morals. Legalize cocaine,heroin, pot, driving while drunk. What harm is there in that. Let the people who want to have horses and sheep for husbands and wives have um. If a man wants to have a man for a wife and adopt and raise some kids in an unnatural family situation what the heck does it really matter. I not even going to mention pedophilia Cause I don't know how to spell it. Let all them welfare women have babies by men they don't even know their names so what if 80% of black babies are born without a legal daddy. They will be good like they are in Chicago. Or maybe we should teach those women to have abortions., oh I forgot they can't draw the welfare check for the illegitimate baby if he ain't born. If its alright to kill babies in the womb why is it not alright to kill babies in schools a child is a child is a child. One killed with a gun the other with a vacuum or whatever. And whats really wrong with killing anybody if he is in your way they just will cost the govt. money on Health Care and SS and Medicare down the road. And what is wrong with stealing someone else's money or cheating him out of it. He prolly gona spend it foolishly any way. So take it away from him and spend it more wisely the way you want. Like Lance did.This country don't need to bother with foolish things like religious morals much less moral police. Live and let die. It was all done in civilization's past and look how great they became.And while I'm thinking about why bother with this gun thing when we out grow all these morals we will not need guns cause everybody will love one another and live happily ever after like they did in Rome. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'm pretty sure that is what one of the taliban leaders said when someone suggested that perhaps women should be able to walk down the street without a male escort.

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

Fummy they think killing unborns are okay,but mass murderers should be denied the death penalty. The biggest problem on the abortion front is taxpayer dollars being used for it , as just an expensive means of birth control. The federal government should not be in the birth control busines or any other part of health care for that matter. Mrdicare and medicaid should have stayed in the states instead of letting the Fed use it to create evrt more power over the citizenry. Read the history of the founders of planned parenthood. They should never have gotten tax funds,never,period. People need to know what Planned Parenthood stood for.