Summary

So the MoS will become two months so that no 11 - 30 can be released when they are ready

Andrew Gee, iGadget are unable to contribute in the near future

Possibility of the use of mebeam.com, or other voip service to host meetings instead of irc

Was mentioned that Ubuntu-UK team uses asterisk, SIP

Translations of screencasts into other languages

Noted that subtitles in screencasts only appear for 2 seconds

Mentioned OGG's support of multiple audio tracks, but having to "remaster" the ogg every time another language track is recorded will bloat the ogg file

Possibility of putting screencasts for each app on the ubuntu DVD. Suggestion of accessing them in Help>Videos menu in any application

Possibility of using Festival (Text to speech) for the screencasts raised

Noted that 1024x768 is fine for non-MoS screencasts, but higher resolution is needed for MoS screencasts

Side note: What resolution is used for the MoS screencasts anyway?

Next meeting to aid Australian Member's attendance (yay, that's me!).

Next meeting to occur on the weekend of Oct 13 2007

4am UTC time proposed as a joke

Side note: 4am UTC = 2pm AEST

IRC Log

20:00:27 < popey> Bong!
20:00:33 < popey> Screencast Team meeting starts
20:00:50 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Meeting20070924
20:00:57 < popey> short agenda for today :)
20:01:04 < popey> anyone here for the meeting?
20:01:18 < spd106> I'm here again
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20:01:48 < popey> yay
20:01:58 * iGadget here :)
20:02:05 < popey> * Action points from last meeting
20:02:12 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Meeting20070910
20:02:45 < popey> hmm, most of that will become part of the next item, so will just jump to it
20:02:53 < popey> * Current status
20:02:59 < popey> We are behind again :(
20:03:06 < popey> I blame 3 things:-
20:03:16 < popey> 1. Having two children whose birthdays are in september
20:03:21 < popey> 2. Having a week holiday
20:03:28 < popey> 3. Me being lazy ;)
20:03:59 < popey> So it looks like I won't be able to make 20 more screencasts before the end of the month to take us from the last one (10) to the 30th
20:04:20 < popey> So I suggest that instead I will carry on making them, numbering them 11-30 but releasing them when they're ready
20:04:33 < popey> Which means the month of screencasts lasts for about 2 months
20:04:56 < popey> which is of course disappointing
20:05:00 < popey> but it was a mad plan anyway
20:05:22 < popey> I would rather continue to make high quality screencasts than churn out 20 small ones of low quality
20:05:30 < popey> how does that sound?
20:05:30 < spd106> I agree
20:05:47 < popey> should I put an announcement on the site?
20:06:00 < popey> we have already had people asking in comments about when the next ones will be out, where they are, what has happened..
20:06:24 < popey> I have one that I made today that I will upload tomorrow, I propose uloading then posting a comment afterwards detailing the revised plan
20:06:41 < iGadget> sounds like a plan
20:06:45 < popey> we have also lost Andrew Gee which is a resource less for making screencasts
20:06:47 < popey> which doesn't help
20:07:09 * iGadget coughs
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20:07:13 < popey> Ok, I will publish this next one "Updates & Upgrades" tomorrow and put an announcement in
20:07:33 < popey> yeah, I also need to upload some of the queue that built up
20:07:41 < iGadget> Alan, there's a chance I'll have to step down as well :(
20:07:47 < popey> oh dear
20:07:58 < iGadget> Allthough I haven't contributed that much yet
20:08:03 < popey> heh :)
20:08:19 < popey> Hey, I'm happy to get any contributions at all, no pressure on anyone
20:08:33 < popey> It's not like the screencasts are going to delay the release of Ubuntu :)
20:08:37 < popey> (not this release anyway ;)
20:08:53 < popey> I am pragmatic if nothing else
20:09:08 < popey> I need to also look at revising the plan now I am back from holiday
20:09:26 < popey> I shall mail the list with the plan I had and see if we can get a discussion going on what screencasts people want
20:09:31 < popey> or maybe ask on the site?
20:09:43 < iGadget> Perhaps both?
20:09:45 < popey> Post a message asking for requests as comments?
20:09:47 < popey> yeah, good idea
20:10:01 < spd106> Are we going to use 7.10 for all screencasts?
20:10:08 < popey> good question
20:10:10 < popey> yes and no
20:10:20 < popey> the updates & upgrades one I did today uses dapper, edgy, feisty and gutsy :)
20:10:33 < popey> for the most part 7.10 would seem like a good target
20:10:42 < spd106> It's just the background in Gutsy changed recently
20:10:45 < popey> as it will soon be released, so it means the screencasts are "relavent"
20:10:51 < popey> yeah, i noticed that today :)
20:10:56 < popey> these things will happen
20:11:02 < iGadget> it's an improvement, though
20:11:13 < popey> on all screencasts that feature gutsy I do try to mention that its based on a development release
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20:11:38 < popey> And I don't expect gutsy to change _that_ much between now and oct 19th
20:11:40 < popey> 18th
20:11:52 < popey> a few cosmetic things isn't a major deal
20:12:03 < iGadget> maybe it's a bit far off, but should we focus on moving to 8.04 as soon as it's usable, since it'll be an LTS?
20:12:11 < popey> heheh
20:12:20 < popey> it won't be usable until the end of the year :)
20:12:27 < popey> at least
20:12:30 < iGadget> okay, too far off then ;)
20:12:54 < popey> in my experience the delta between one release and the next is actually pretty small
20:13:09 < popey> if you compare dapper and gutsy there's quite a difference, but compare edgy and feisty and the difference is much less
20:13:18 < popey> there are changes of course, and we should be aware of them
20:13:21 < spd106> It's not like we'll be using KDE 4
20:13:24 < popey> but I don't think we should fret about it too much
20:13:26 < popey> no, indeed
20:13:38 < popey> ok, that's current status
20:13:45 < iGadget> what about (I'm brainstorming here)... 'scripting' the screencasts so they can be redone easily in another version?
20:13:55 < popey> they are _kinda_ scripted
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20:14:02 < popey> but not too much
20:14:08 < popey> you mean a storyboard type thing?
20:14:22 < iGadget> no, I mean an automated kind of thing
20:14:27 < popey> oh
20:14:28 < iGadget> I don't know if it's possible
20:14:34 < popey> me neither
20:14:43 < iGadget> would it be worth investigating?
20:14:48 < popey> worth a thought, yes
20:15:18 < popey> sorry, i was thinking then :)
20:15:28 < popey> will note that and we could have a chat on the list about it
20:15:28 < iGadget> np, I'm a slow reader ;)
20:15:34 < popey> g o o d
20:15:56 < popey> any questions/comments about the curent status?
20:16:23 < popey> * Month Of Screencasts 2007 progress
20:16:36 < popey> 10 of 30 complete, to be 11 of 30 tomorrow
20:16:44 < popey> more ideas needed - as mentioned
20:17:13 < popey> will mail the list and canvas opinion on the site
20:17:28 < popey> blimey, that's it
20:17:38 < popey> fastest meeting ever
20:17:48 < popey> any further questions, comments or points you guys want to talk about
20:17:49 < iGadget> geez... and it's my first :)
20:17:50 < popey> we have some time
20:18:27 < popey> ok
20:18:35 * iGadget thinks
20:18:51 < spd106> Where's the MoS schedule again? I've lost it
20:19:15 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MonthOfScreencasts
20:19:29 < spd106> Oh yeah
20:19:33 < popey> :)
20:19:51 < popey> i should be uploading two tomorrow
20:19:59 < popey> assuming I get a nice quiet house to work in :S
20:20:16 < popey> (which is a big issue here - screaming babies in the background of a screencast don't sound good) :)
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20:20:55 < popey> Matthew Rossi asked if we could have a meeting that was at a time when he could attend - he is in Aus
20:21:03 < popey> so he ideally wanted one on a weekend
20:21:11 < iGadget> just a suggestion about meeting on IRC... you guys know mebeam.com?
20:21:32 < popey> I didn't, but I do now
20:22:01 < popey> thing about irc is that it has a very low barrier to entry
20:22:13 < popey> many of the web conferencing systems require flash, a webcam, a mic etc
20:22:19 < iGadget> true, if you're a good typist ;)
20:22:19 < spd106> Do you need a camera?
20:22:27 < popey> looks like it
20:22:31 < iGadget> for mebeam.com, you do yes
20:22:56 < spd106> That'll be tricky then
20:23:11 < popey> it reduces the potential people who could join I guess?
20:23:26 < popey> given every other team meets on irc..
20:23:27 < iGadget> okay, perhaps that's too much then. But what about audio converencing?
20:23:35 < popey> iGadget: interesting point
20:23:44 < popey> the Ubuntu-UK loco team are looking at using asterisk
20:23:51 < popey> to do call conferencing via SIP or something
20:24:02 < iGadget> I figure most people involved in screencasts would have a mic... ;)
20:24:03 < popey> needs a mic and a reasonable net connection
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20:24:07 < popey> heh :)
20:24:20 < popey> the problem with all the video/audio conferences is logging though
20:24:27 < popey> i can easily copy/paste this log into the wiki, job done
20:24:35 < iGadget> true, true
20:24:35 < popey> with the audio/video ones someone has to transcribe it
20:24:44 < Daviey> SIP: ^ anybody wanna help test?
20:24:49 < popey> heh :)
20:25:07 < popey> I will test with you another time yes Daviey :)
20:25:18 < popey> for those that don't know, Daviey is the expert on Asterisk around here
20:25:22 < popey> and voip in general
20:25:27 < iGadget> cool
20:25:30 < Daviey> 'expert' hmm :P
20:25:40 * iGadget should get his audio setup working first ;)
20:25:54 < spd106> What about a SIP screencast Davey?
20:26:00 < popey> heh
20:26:03 < iGadget> hehe :)
20:26:08 < popey> we have that scheduled actually
20:26:16 < Daviey> Isn't there already an ekiga screencast?
20:26:17 < popey> one all about voip
20:26:22 < popey> not one of ours no Daviey
20:26:32 < popey> i was thinking something more general, not necessarily just ekiga
20:26:32 < iGadget> ekiga would be nice... since it's already shipping with ubuntu
20:26:37 < popey> agreed
20:26:44 < popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MonthOfScreencasts
20:26:47 < iGadget> (never got it working, though)
20:26:49 < popey> ^ look at the bottom of that page :)
20:26:54 < iGadget> okay, will do
20:26:59 < popey> "ekiga" :)
20:27:08 < popey> just needs someone to make it :)
20:27:11 * iGadget should check the page more often
20:27:19 < popey> you could subscribe to it :)
20:27:21 < Daviey> Well i'm not sure how much you could cover.. Would either need to be reallly high level - or pretty lowlevel (technical and ~20mins)
20:28:00 < popey> 30 mins isn't unreasonable
20:28:06 < popey> i made a 40 min one today :)
20:28:13 < Daviey> eager beaver
20:28:24 < popey> anyway, can I just get the next meeting date out of the way
20:28:33 < popey> I propose the weekend of the 13th october
20:28:40 < popey> to allow the aussies to join in
20:28:50 < popey> thats over 2 weeks away
20:29:03 < popey> but with our slim agenda I don't think that's an issue?
20:29:09 < iGadget> I have one proposal about subtitles, if we're done with the SIP thing :)
20:29:21 < popey> go ahead
20:29:42 < iGadget> there are a lot of subs now that are on screen for less than 2 secs now
20:29:46 < iGadget> thats _really_ fast
20:30:01 < popey> hmm, I talk too fast?
20:30:01 < iGadget> most people I checked can't read that fast
20:30:05 < iGadget> maybe
20:30:09 < spd106> yep
20:30:19 < iGadget> but what I usually do is merge two subs together
20:30:33 < iGadget> in most cases, that's enough
20:30:36 < spd106> It's either short time or they take up too much screen space
20:30:45 < iGadget> indeed, that does occur
20:30:49 < popey> so it would be better if I talk slower, say less?
20:30:59 < popey> leave big gaps :)
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20:31:00 < iGadget> especially in languages that need 'more space' :)
20:31:03 < popey> heh
20:31:13 < popey> like Deutsch?
20:31:18 < Daviey> Did you guys find a solution to multi-audio track?
20:31:21 < iGadget> like nederlands ;)
20:31:24 < popey> ahhh
20:31:32 < iGadget> deutsch probably as well
20:31:33 < popey> Daviey: ogg does support multiple audio tracks
20:31:47 < popey> but the problem is we would have to keep remastering every time someone made a new audio track
20:31:49 < popey> and re-encode
20:32:00 < popey> and they would bloat up with multiple languages on board
20:32:04 < iGadget> it would be very sweet if we could figure out a way to do that smoothly
20:32:07 < popey> likely easier to keep them separate
20:32:18 < iGadget> mmmkay... true
20:32:25 < popey> ok iGadget and spd106 I will endeavour to speak slower
20:32:31 < popey> and leave some pauses for text
20:32:34 < popey> sorry about that
20:32:44 < iGadget> no prob, we all live and learn ;)
20:32:50 < popey> indeed
20:32:56 < spd106> The applications screencast was particularly bad
20:32:57 < popey> this is exactly why we have these meetings :)
20:33:09 < popey> because there is a lot in it done very quickly?
20:33:09 < iGadget> precisely :)
20:33:21 < spd106> yes, too much really
20:33:25 < popey> ok
20:33:37 < popey> I will bear that in mind for future screencasts
20:33:53 < popey> one problem I worry about is that if I go to slow it might get boring
20:33:54 < spd106> It was still very good
20:33:57 < popey> people might nod off
20:34:02 < popey> it's okay spd106 I can take it ;)
20:34:46 < iGadget> Well it's quite easy to see - if you're making english subtitles which are on screen less that 2 seconds, that's suspicious
20:34:56 < popey> haha
20:35:00 < iGadget> usually that's too fast
20:35:02 < popey> like small print on a tv advert
20:35:16 < iGadget> ghehe... something like that ;)
20:35:19 < popey> "Warning, the value of your house may go down as well as up,..."
20:35:38 < popey> ok, point taken, will fix that in future ones
20:35:44 < iGadget> * toll free number, only connection charges apply ($10,-)
20:35:46 < popey> lucky we're only 1/3rd the way through then :)
20:35:49 < popey> :)
20:36:07 < spd106> Did you get the flash streaming working?
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20:36:28 < popey> the subtitles in the flash streaming?
20:36:31 < spd106> yes
20:36:34 < popey> no, not yet
20:36:47 < popey> but I haven't spent much time on that
20:36:54 < spd106> ok
20:36:56 < popey> will do though
20:37:20 < spd106> Don't spend too much on that, it can be sorted out later
20:37:26 < popey> sure
20:37:34 < popey> I spent too long on it the week before holiday
20:37:46 < popey> will concentrate on making the screencasts for now
20:37:49 < iGadget> so... what about the long term - how are we going to keep track on screencasts that are no longer acurate and need to be updated?
20:38:01 < popey> well iGadget that's a very good point#
20:38:10 < popey> the one I made today in effect replaces one I made a year ago
20:38:22 < popey> and the installing one supplements the installation one I did a year ago too
20:38:34 < spd106> deja vu
20:38:41 < popey> I guess I could put a note on the old ones "obsolete - please see this screencast" with a link to the newer ones
20:38:57 < iGadget> perhaps it would be a good idea to mention which ubuntu versions are affected by the screencast?
20:38:58 < popey> the ones this year are more comprehensive though
20:39:05 < iGadget> in the screencast itself?
20:39:05 < popey> i try to tag them on the site
20:39:25 < popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/43 <- only gutsy ones
20:39:33 < spd106> Tag them with Ubuntu release or just the date?
20:39:41 < iGadget> maybe both :)
20:39:46 < popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/35 only dapper
20:39:55 < iGadget> there might be screencasts which can last for ages
20:40:01 < iGadget> like the one about free software
20:40:05 < popey> yeah
20:40:30 < iGadget> other ones can become obsolete in the next version, there's no way to be sure in advance I guess
20:40:35 < popey> indeed
20:40:44 < spd106> New ones every six months
20:40:44 < popey> although to be fair the ones about dapper are still accurate
20:40:50 < popey> dapper is a current supported release
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20:41:11 < popey> there is a wider plan here
20:41:17 < popey> don't know if I explained previously did I?
20:41:26 < popey> to put screencasts directly in ubuntu
20:41:37 < spd106> On the DVD?
20:41:48 < popey> not sure yet, probably online, streamed
20:41:57 < popey> so you can go to Help --> Videos in any app
20:42:01 < iGadget> sweet!
20:42:06 < popey> and get a window come up with a selection of videos
20:42:18 < popey> that would need some major management
20:42:27 < iGadget> that would surely beat the crap out of MS online support
20:42:30 < popey> and all the stuff we are learning about during MoS can feed into this
20:42:38 < popey> so the feedback I get from you guys is great
20:42:48 < popey> it's still an early plan
20:43:01 < iGadget> but... that will require massive amounts of work
20:43:06 < popey> yup :)
20:43:11 < iGadget> do we have enough manpower to do this?
20:43:13 < popey> they would be short videos
20:43:23 < popey> seconds or minutes long
20:43:32 < spd106> It's more online integration too
20:43:34 < popey> showing how to do specific tasks
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20:43:39 < popey> yeah, needs a lot of work
20:43:42 < iGadget> which... can be combined to create entire screencasts?
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20:43:54 < popey> yeah, watch them all back to back
20:43:55 < popey> :)
20:44:08 < iGadget> a 'lego' sort of screencast-building? nice :)
20:44:23 < popey> yeah, I like the building blocks analogy
20:44:31 < popey> they could be tagged and rated
20:44:36 < spd106> Going back to the scripting thought... would festival be any use?
20:44:47 < popey> festival the text to speech thing?
20:44:54 < spd106> yeah
20:44:57 < popey> useful for?
20:45:06 < spd106> automating screencast
20:45:14 < popey> I don't know. how do you mean?
20:45:21 < iGadget> my idea about scripting was about the visual part only, but if festival is good?
20:45:33 < iGadget> I haven't played with it yet
20:45:39 < spd106> It cuts the work down a little
20:46:01 < iGadget> yes, but if it cuts down the quality too much, I'm not sure if it's an improvement...
20:46:23 < iGadget> the audiotrack is key to getting the user involved IMHO
20:46:28 < popey> you mean, get festival to "read" the script?
20:46:35 < spd106> Yes
20:46:37 < popey> ahhh
20:46:53 < popey> is festival any good? :)
20:47:04 < popey> i haven't tried it for some time
20:47:07 < spd106> No idea, just read about it recently
20:47:20 < popey> to be honest the audio part is not that time consuming
20:47:22 < iGadget> do you know radiohead's 'OK computer'? ;)
20:47:31 < popey> its prep, recording the video and editing it that takes the time
20:47:39 < popey> the audio takes about as long as the video is in length
20:47:49 < popey> if I make a 40 min video the audio takes 40 mins to make (roughly)
20:48:04 < popey> but it takes 2+hours to make a 30 min video
20:48:31 < iGadget> so I guess we'd gain much more time in getting the video part smoothed out.. right?
20:49:25 < popey> yeah, and that's not easy
20:49:45 < popey> some of it is planning - figuring out what I am going to video..
20:49:47 < iGadget> besides of automated scripting making re-recording a lot easier, could it help save time in the initial recording process?
20:49:48 < popey> some of it is videoing
20:49:59 < popey> i doubt it would help much to be honest
20:50:12 < popey> one day I will create the "how to make a screencast, screencast" that people keep asking me for
20:50:44 < spd106> You could then run a competition for the final screencast
20:50:48 < iGadget> well, if you really want users to assist you, I suppose that one has a top priority...
20:51:08 < popey> iGadget: i have written it up on the wiki :)
20:51:15 < popey> I am not sure this is the thing that stops people
20:51:19 < popey> people know how to create them
20:51:26 < iGadget> eh...
20:51:41 < popey> I am not sure that "knowing how to create a screencast" is what stops people making them
20:51:50 < popey> they know how to make them, but they don't have the time to do it?
20:51:55 < iGadget> I don't, but I'm just plain lazy besides having way to little time, so nevermind me ;)
20:51:58 < popey> it's quicker/easier to make a wiki page then a screencast
20:52:07 < popey> exactly :)
20:52:15 < popey> nothing wrong with that, that's just the problem we have
20:52:22 < popey> people don't have time to commit to something like this
20:52:28 < spd106> Would you accept lower res screencasts?
20:52:41 < spd106> 1024x768 is all I have
20:52:43 < popey> which I why I am glad that I can get on and make them and you guys can transcribe/translate them
20:52:57 < iGadget> I thought 1024x768 was okay?
20:52:58 < popey> for non-mos2007, yes, definately
20:53:06 < popey> we already have some at 1024x768
20:53:16 < iGadget> eh... what's mos2007?
20:53:23 < popey> Month Of Screencast 2007
20:53:24 < popey> :)
20:53:31 * iGadget bangs himself on the head
20:53:36 < iGadget> darn... stupid :)
20:53:42 < iGadget> sorry
20:53:42 < popey> i.e. if it's "just" a screencast, not specifically for MoS, then yes, 1024x768 is great
20:53:45 < popey> np
20:53:50 < popey> silly acronym
20:54:08 < popey> the only reason is that I specifically wanted 30 high quality, high res ones
20:54:24 < spd106> That's what I thought
20:54:29 < popey> if you see the front page of the site there are 3 that are 1024x768 :)
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20:54:52 < popey> what's important is consistent quality
20:55:03 < iGadget> but... If we are going to start with this building-block thing, then we should agree on one res only, right?
20:55:13 < popey> oh that's not coming for a while :)
20:55:25 < popey> i wouldn't start thinking too seriously about that until about November :)
20:55:39 < popey> (after UDS Boston) :)
20:55:45 < iGadget> okay... so what about smoothing the creation process, would that be doable?
20:56:02 < iGadget> working with the istanbul team for example?
20:56:33 < iGadget> I mean, making the creating process much simpler and less time consuming?
20:56:50 < popey> yeah, I had a meeting with jono about this.. he had some ideas about this subject
20:56:58 < popey> he suggested a screencasting application
20:57:08 < iGadget> ghehe... his Next Big Thing after Jokosher? :D
20:57:11 < popey> one that gave you a window inside which you have a nested session or something
20:57:13 < popey> heh
20:57:18 < popey> and recorded it
20:57:22 < jono> iGadget: oi! :)
20:57:26 < popey> there are already tools that can do this but they are non free
20:57:34 < iGadget> jono! :D
20:57:42 < popey> and anyway I don't think this would shave massive amounts off the time
20:57:48 < popey> it would make it easier, thats for sure
20:58:04 < popey> we're running out of time
20:58:04 < iGadget> one sec, brb
20:58:16 < popey> I will bring all these things up on the list for further discussion
20:58:25 < popey> so we can get the ideas fleshed out
20:58:47 < spd106> Have we agreed on the next meeting time?
20:59:04 * iGadget back
20:59:58 < iGadget> okay... I for one would surely love to contribute more, but the current process is just way to much work for me, sorry :(
21:00:18 < iGadget> and with contribute I mean creating screencasts, redubbing them etc.
21:01:05 * iGadget thinks perhaps he should just quit his dayjob...
21:01:12 < iGadget> loads of time :)
21:01:51 < popey> spd106: I will figure out a time and mail the list
21:02:00 < popey> need to find out what time Aus is awake :)
21:02:14 < popey> heh, thats what I did iGadget :)
21:02:34 < iGadget> geez... so who's paying your bills now? :)
21:02:50 < iGadget> canonical? :D
21:02:57 < popey> heh
21:03:01 < popey> I am on "holiday"
21:03:15 < popey> spending time at home with the family, and when they stop bothering me, I make screencasts :)
21:03:23 < iGadget> gheheh
21:03:26 < iGadget> I know the feeling
21:03:44 < popey> ok, so I will paste a summary of this to the wiki
21:03:45 * iGadget just tucked in his gf, babbling in her sleep again ;)
21:03:49 < popey> :)
21:03:58 < popey> and mail the list with the subjects we have talked about
21:04:05 < iGadget> great
21:04:11 < popey> and update the site with a status update
21:04:17 < popey> thanks for the input guys, much appreciated
21:04:28 < iGadget> np, thanks for listening ;)
21:04:30 < popey> next meeting likely to be oct 13th/14th
21:04:54 < spd106> ok
21:04:57 < iGadget> that's a weekend, good choice
21:05:08 < popey> oh, good :)
21:05:15 < popey> you might not say that when you see the time ;)
21:05:18 < popey> 4am!
21:05:21 < popey> (just kidding)
21:05:28 < iGadget> ;)
21:05:35 < popey> right, cheers chaps, wifey calls :)