Hamilton Vs Rosberg - 2013 Part 3

There's no **** up. He would lose the same amount through one more pitstop + making his way while battling.

It's not that clear cut. You have fresher rubber so are charging more rather than nursing and running below the limit of the car. That said, the Mercs were absolutely horrible in sector 1 so overtaking and defending was always going to be difficult. It's not first time since the summer break that their wing levels, gear ratios, mechanical set up/ combination of all, have been a problem.

Mercedes should have let Lewis overtake Nico and pit ahead of him. In this scenario Nico would only have been held up by no more than 2.5 seconds, and possibly none since Lewis would have probably been in the box several seconds before Nico coming in. The option Mercedes chose was to hold Lewis for a whole lap in favor of Nico despite the fact that he had been requesting to come in for several laps. It is clear Nico is not a team player and Mercedes like McLaren are not listening to their faster driver. 2014 will be very much like 2011 for Lewis Hamilton, is my prediction at the moment.

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Yeah how stupid was this, Nico with a broken wing infront of Lewis and not even leting him overtake, for god sake he is his teammate, why sacrifice his race because of his damaged wing, Lewis lost atleast 2-4 more sec because of this and could come out of the pits even ahead of Kimi and would probably never end up behind Hulk.

Merc are trowing points away with stuff like this and they will end behind Ferrari because of this crap!

Mercedes should have let Lewis overtake Nico and pit ahead of him. In this scenario Nico would only have been held up by no more than 2.5 seconds, and possibly none since Lewis would have probably been in the box several seconds before Nico coming in. The option Mercedes chose was to hold Lewis for a whole lap in favor of Nico despite the fact that he had been requesting to come in for several laps. It is clear Nico is not a team player and Mercedes like McLaren are not listening to their faster driver. 2014 will be very much like 2011 for Lewis Hamilton, is my prediction at the moment.

Brundle said on Sky ATM : "Lewis lost 4 sec this lap behind Rosberg, this brought him behind Hulk in the end. Hamilton was held up when he needed to pic up the pace before his pit stop"

Rosberg would have beaten Hamilton without his front wing fail, Nico's clearly been the unlucky Merc driver this year.

Possibly not. LH would have then pitted on that lap instead of having to wait yet another (and losing more time) as transpired with the team having to service Nico, and then the SC would have come in to play a couple of laps later with Hamilton having those 2 laps to lap faster too. Such may also have prevented Kimi leapfrogging him, and on the SC restart it would have been easier to defend against the Lotus of Kimi (slowest on the straights) than the Sauber of Hulkenberg (fastest on the straights). So Hamilton also suffered from Nico's untimely FW failure.

Possibly not. LH would have then pitted on that lap instead of having to wait yet another (and losing more time) as transpired with the team having to service Nico, and then the SC would have come in to play a couple of laps later with Hamilton having those 2 laps to lap faster too. Such may also have prevented Kimi leapfrogging him, and on the SC restart it would have been easier to defend against the Lotus of Kimi (slowest on the straights) than the Sauber of Hulkenberg (fastest on the straights). So Hamilton also suffered from Nico's untimely FW failure.

Possibly not. LH would have then pitted on that lap instead of having to wait yet another (and losing more time) as transpired with the team having to service Nico, and then the SC would have come in to play a couple of laps later with Hamilton having those 2 laps to lap faster too. Such may also have prevented Kimi leapfrogging him, and on the SC restart it would have been easier to defend against the Lotus of Kimi (slowest on the straights) than the Sauber of Hulkenberg (fastest on the straights). So Hamilton also suffered from Nico's untimely FW failure.

Perhaps, we'll never know, but that doesn't change the fact that NR was ahead before his FW broke.

seriously guys.. you must be trolling if you think Nico won this weekend.. not even close..

Which Mercedes driver saved his tyres better, and most likely would have finished ahead in the race had his front wing not failed?

Yeah how stupid was this, Nico with a broken wing infront of Lewis and not even leting him overtake, for god sake he is his teammate, why sacrifice his race because of his damaged wing, Lewis lost atleast 2-4 more sec because of this and could come out of the pits even ahead of Kimi and would probably never end up behind Hulk.

Merc are trowing points away with stuff like this and they will end behind Ferrari because of this crap!

If Hamilton had overtaken Rosberg, he could have pitted and gone back out before Rosberg got to the pits. Mercedes were lucky that there wasn't another car close behind, as I'm sure they would have gone past without a second thought.

I'm wondering if Hamilton has bought some staff over from McLaren, as this kind of cocked up race is typical of what used to happen at McLaren.

Not if he has a few seconds between them. IMO Lewis lost more than 1 pit stop with suboptimal stratgy today. Sometimes I think there are 2 teams at Mercedes working against each other, not together. There they have to learn a lot

I think the point there is that he may not have had to fight with Hulk on the SC restart had he not had to stay out whilst the team service Nico, as he was losing more time. Would need to check the laptimes but he lost a lot of time to Kimi by doing that. Fighting off a Lotus on the straight would have been an easier task than fighting off the Sauber due to the relative difference in straightline speeds of those two cars.

Not if he has a few seconds between them. IMO Lewis lost more than 1 pit stop with suboptimal stratgy today. Sometimes I think there are 2 teams at Mercedes working against each other, not together. There they have to learn a lot

Brundle said on Sky ATM : "Lewis lost 4 sec this lap behind Rosberg, this brought him behind Hulk in the end. Hamilton was held up when he needed to pic up the pace before his pit stop"

Very much McLaren like pit decision from Mercedes. What the **** was Mercedes thinking? I am starting to think Paddy Lowe his making more decisions on race day than Ross Brawn. On a light note, there was a picture of Ross sitting in the garage with the mechanics at the start of the race that for a short while made me wonder whether he had been thrown off the pitwall.

seriously guys.. you must be trolling if you think Nico won this weekend.. not even close.. but than again.. who cares.. we lost as a team...

Nothing was clear that race, HAM cooked up his tire and Nico overtook him...

+ HAM qualifying pace, race pace

+ Nico tires management

without front wing damage Nico would have had a good shot for a podium. Races goes to Hamilton but it was closer as some want to believe. There was no domination of Hamilton because he drove way above the limit of the tires. Raikkonen always get the praise if he is conservative and coming back in the later stage of the race

Very much McLaren like pit decision from Mercedes. What the **** was Mercedes thinking? I am starting to think Paddy Lowe his making more decisions on race day than Ross Brawn. On a light note, there was a picture of Ross sitting in the garage with the mechanics at the start of the race that for a short while made me wonder whether he had been thrown off the pitwall.

If Hamilton had overtaken Rosberg, he could have pitted and gone back out before Rosberg got to the pits. Mercedes were lucky that there wasn't another car close behind, as I'm sure they would have gone past without a second thought.

I'm wondering if Hamilton has bought some staff over from McLaren, as this kind of cocked up race is typical of what used to happen at McLaren.

Maybe you can't read. The team told him that there was no risk of the wing breaking further.

And it wasn't his fault that the team made another strategic blunder : let Lewis pass and service both in the same round.

It was still stupid and dangerous to hold up a team mate with a wing that could have folded under the nose any time. Please post source where the team says the wing wouldn't have broken because in my opinion that is a lot of horseshit and smells of Mercedes engineers giving excuses.

It was still stupid and dangerous to hold up a team mate with a wing that could have folded under the nose any time. Please post source where the team says the wing wouldn't have broken because in my opinion that is a lot of horseshit and smells of Mercedes engineers giving excuses.

Of course he would say it, it wasn't dangerous, bu tin the same sentence he said it could have ended in a heavy accident if it broke down complete. Rosberg is just defending himself and his"strategy" there

Nothing was clear that race, HAM cooked up his tire and Nico overtook him...

+ HAM qualifying pace, race pace

+ Nico tires management

without front wing damage Nico would have had a good shot for a podium. Races goes to Hamilton but it was closer as some want to believe. There was no domination of Hamilton because he drove way above the limit of the tires. Raikkonen always get the praise if he is conservative and coming back in the later stage of the race

Rosberg would have had to overtaken someone to get onto the podium. It's pretty obvious Rosberg has real problems overtaking. Hamilton knackered his tyres because he was racing and trying to overtake at the beginning of the race. Rosberg was well behind Hamilton, all on his own. A situation he appears to prefer over racing.

Of course he would say it, it wasn't dangerous, bu tin the same sentence he said it could have ended in a heavy accident if it broke down complete. Rosberg is just defending himself and his"strategy" there

He said it could have ended in a accident if it broke. So he spoke with the team and they assured him that there was no risk of it breaking further. It's like kindergarten in here.

Rosberg would have had to overtaken someone to get onto the podium. It's pretty obvious Rosberg has real problems overtaking. Hamilton knackered his tyres because he was racing and trying to overtake at the beginning of the race. Rosberg was well behind Hamilton, all on his own. A situation he appears to prefer over racing.

Rosberg qualifying 0, race 000 for holding up the teammate with a broken wing

Merc team 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 fro dropping 20 sec holding Lewis out, then not telling Nico to let him go, and pit them in the same lap at Hamilton-Rosberg order.

Be realistic guys. there is absolutely no way Lewis was getting a podium. Even with two safety cars to help him out, if he pitted around 25-27 he would have need to stop again making one more stop than the others. He ate one set of tyres as much as 10 laps before his teammate would have needed to stop, and pretty much wore out another trying to pass Hulk ffs. You think he had a chance to take Kimi or Roman who were off up the road and managing their rubber well? Really? The combo of shitty tyres and this circuit just didnt work for him.

Nico didnt do anything special either by the way, I still find him way too passive in the pinch.. but to blame him for a horrible bit of luck with the nose collapse and a very long pitstop is stupid. If the failure had not occurred he would likely have finished either (maybe, havent done the maths)3rd or definitely 4th.