Like, I don't get mad easily. I get animated, colorful, loud, outspoken etc etc at the drop of a hat but mad...nah (That avatar isn't just a fun meme, it's truth, but ya'll probably just thought "T just being silly again".)

It comes down to what Happygrue said earlier. Catalyst is clueless about Box and JellyBelly is clueless about Ranked.

Yes, you have to play all comers in the Box, but at least you don't need to take a constant stream of disadvantageous matchups or choose a suboptimal team build just because otherwise you will not get games.

Both systems are open to exploits and therefore in an online gaming environment will get exploited. Claiming "the other lot" have an unfair advantage for 15 pages is not only nonsense but also bad for the community as a whole.

So, can we PLEASE stop this whole B vs R nonsense for once and all?

_________________Proud owner of three completed Ranked grids, sadly lacking in having a life.

Both systems are open to exploits and therefore in an online gaming environment will get exploited. Claiming "the other lot" have an unfair advantage for 15 pages is not only nonsense but also bad for the community as a whole.

So, can we PLEASE stop this whole B vs R nonsense for once and all?

Seconded.

And the funny thing here is that if thread gets 15 more pages, decision about letting both R and B to majors still apllies. Peace!

Draw happened this morning (server time) because they needed Christer to open it up to box teams I think. So everything got delayed a bit. Noone could schedule a game for today yesterday and NA coaches couldnt get a game in last night.

Fun fact about this thread. Over 50% (111 of 216) of the posts in here are written by 5 people.

And I believe that only mrt1212 have been participated in at least 10 official tournaments in the past year among them.

_________________"I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour, and who then asketh: 'Am I a dishonest player?' - for he is willing to succumb."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche: Thus Spake Zarathustra, Zarathustra's Discourses, 4.

Here is the thing. If you were passionate about tourneys you would have played in more of them. The conversation is dominated by people with strong opposing views the don't conform to the change. Your argument is at least fairly logical even if I disagree with it. Catalyst on the other hand is arguing things that have little to do with this change.

I do say lets see how box teams do. I think they have been a bit slower to adjust to the post-CRP ruleset. In general bloat is fine now because without wizards there are not super powerful inducements so you are seeing teams go to 16 players and 5-6 rerolls more often which is causing a huge TV bump that is just a reaction to the change in rules.

The other thing is this the last time i checked (which was before all teams applied so it could have changed) 28% of the teams applied were box teams. 24% of the top 25 teams in TV at the time were box teams. (and there was Jos's lizards down below that due to MNGs but his team is actually tied for first in TW which would have made it 28% of the top 25) In practice it seems like box teams populate the high TV teams in this tourney at a proportional rate to the amount of teams applied which would say that box teams should not have a problem growing to similar sizes to ranked teams and this is even further proven if you consider that mrt sent his ranked High Elves instead of his 2580 TW box high elves that are stuck in a smack also Malmir sent his ranked lizards instead of his 2610TV Nurgle because of that poll he did. There are huge teams in box and what they have in common is deep benches and lots of rerolls just like their ranked counterparts. If the data says that box is producing a similar number of super high TV teams to the amount of teams they sending total than saying its too hard to build high TV box teams is flawed.

Also pointing out Kfogeds high Elves is funny as if you look at his recent games before the tourney i see khemri twice i see some orcs i see Lizards I see humans twice (who match up well with elves. He has played orcs 130 times out of his 158 games. Humans 115. Chaos 157. Yes he has played Wood elves 236 and Dark Elves 245 but this is a guy who just plays elf ball and his 3rd most played team is chaos and he has over 1500 games. He isnt pimping his team for 1 tourney. This is what he plays. Now maybe I misunderstood that link but id like to again point out the mrt has a box high elf team with a TW 170 higher than the Nandorians. So box can make similar teams.