I'm here and still re-reading, actually right on that same point of moody vs. madge, so should hopefully have that soon. I guess I'm not really going to fight for/against Sabrar at this point because I do think he's more likely scum than town, but I'd still like to see some thoughts from moody and madge.

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SDK wrote:I'm sorry. I haven't had time for this game - not as much as I thought I would when I signed up as a replacement, at least.

This is really unfortunate because you give me no way of defending myself. No reasons listed, no reaction to why I found dimochka's attack on me scummy, nothing. It's like you found a suitable mislynch target and latched unto it.

Now LYLO theory 101 says that I must vote for you in this situation. Will probably do so but want to think about it first.

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On the next day, the horror of the town-members was great. Huge pieces of stick-figure were strewn all over the main square. It was the remains of SDK, who had recently replaced flicky the somewhat avian pet shop owner. However, the sorrow at the loss of such a pillar of the community was mitigated somewhat when the bag of wolves was fished out of the river. Carved onto their little collars were the names "Guido", "Tony", "Giacomo" and "Giovanni". Clearly, they were an Italian Mafia Wolf Family that had invaded Xkcdia!

Sabrar was a Mafia Goon. SDK is dead. He was Vanilla Town. We are in End-game now, LYLO, all or nothing. Three players remain. Let's try to have hammer fall before Friday morning. Clock for the time-zone impaired.

if SDK says dim is 100% town and thinks me or moody is scum then I'm pretty well down with that based on SDK's track record.

moody thinks dim is scummy, very strongly.

Dim is scum:- killed SDK to manipulate me and moody into being willing to lynch the other- kept moody alive because he thinks dim is scummy and wants to reverse psychology me??- kept me alive because i suck at this part of the game

Moody is scum:- killed SDK because he was only ever going to vote for moody- kept me alive because i think dim is scummy- kept dim alive because he thinks moody is scummy and wants to reverse psychology me??

I'm going to go back through especially for yesterday and see if anyone was defending sabrar, though at this stage of the game getting off a good bus might have been enough

on the face of it i am leaning towards lynching dim from a combination of trusting dead townies, and it being better for scum!dim to kill SDK than scum!moody (that said.... i should look at each of the possible deaths, because if killing SDK was the best moody could do compared with even worse options then well we're done)

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EBWOP: the entire quote below is just wrong and crap, I misread what SDK said, SDK seems pretty confident that moody is scum:

Madge wrote:on the face of it i am leaning towards lynching dim from a combination of trusting dead townies, and it being better for scum!dim to kill SDK than scum!moody (that said.... i should look at each of the possible deaths, because if killing SDK was the best moody could do compared with even worse options then well we're done)

Moody's NK candidates:madge has said she likes moody; SDK hates moody; dim hates moody. always good to keep SDK around at the end of the game because SDK seems scummy so I'm putting SDK above

killable: dim > SDK > Madge :least killable

so it looks like moody and dim should have killed each other imo, but SDK is a 'better' choice for moody and the 'worst' choice for dim. Of course wine says dim could have done that for reverse psychology.... argh

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dimochka wrote:Madge - if I were scum I would have lynched SDK, rather than Sabrar, at deadline. It would have been a cheap way to win, but a win nonetheless.

Interestingly enough, I have exactly the same argument that says I'm town. If I were scum, I could have tied the vote right before the deadline which would have lynched SDK instead of Sabrar, I figure that in his last couple of posts, dim was working himself around to bussing Sabrar to get townie cred, killed SDK cause he's a good player, so he could go into D4 with just his chosen scum target he's been buttering up since D2 (moi) and his malleable townie (vous).

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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.

BoomFrog wrote:I still have no idea what town moody really looks like.

You last posted 12 hours before deadline, whereas dim was posting right up to deadline, so IMO those are two very different situations. There's no evidence you were able to get online in time to change the vote.

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Moody - I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts regarding which one of us is scum and why. I know you're biased against me and I'm biased against you, but it would still be really helpful if you tried to give your thoughts, however short, regarding both of us.

Without reviewing I do still think that Madge is more likely town, but as promised I will do a re-read later tonight and post my opinions. From what I recall, I did find her more scummy (mostly for very little content, IIRC), but I simply do not see her as scummates with Sabrar.

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Yeah, the lack of content is entirely on me. I've realized I really don't like vanilla games unless I'm scum, I like powers, I like intrigue, I like all that sort of stuff, and then being sick I just was very much not motivated. I think if I had a cool power role or was scum I would have made more of an effort while I was sick. So, I'm not going to sign up for a vanilla game again because I don't think it's fair on the other players to thrust an unmotivated madge upon them. I'll still be willing to replace in because unmotivated Madge is more fun than a modkill.

That said I do enjoy the constrained nature of *this*, right here, where there are two people and I have to choose between them, because it becomes much less arbitrary who I pick if everyone has a very high chance of being scum and there's only two comparisons to make. That said I hate it because I hate the pressure. If I vote for the wrong person then town is going to be "oh Madge you screwed it up for us!" which is why I also hate this, just to make life more confusing.

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Post 9: Player list, thinks my town read on her is naive or scummy. Otherwise has a dim+Sabrar scum team.

Looks fairly neutral, but since it's what my opinion is on scum team, maybe some confirmation bias.

Post 10: Explains her statement re Carlington voters to SDK, and opinion of him thereby. Town to scum list with team of Sabrar and dim, Sabrar lynch more informative.

Post 11: illness, and reiterating points from previous

Post 12: detailed read on dim. interupted by external events.

Post 13: laments about being alive at 3-person LYLO. Plays "Who would scum kill". Leaning toward dim being scum because of SDK's death

Post 14: continuation of previous with the conclusion that either I or dim ought to be dead.

Post 15&16: posts re lack of vote shenanigans at end of D3. In her opinion this leans more in favor of dim

Post 17: again apologetic for being out of it for a while, and some meta fluff.

The thoughtfulness in 13 and 14 despite circumstances still looks townie to me. Obviously that leads to my previous conclusion that dim has to be scum, or that 1% possibility that Madge got me again in which case GG.

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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.

BoomFrog wrote:I still have no idea what town moody really looks like.

moody7277 wrote:Rebuttal of the initial attack and vote by dimochka on me. He mentions three items in his indictment:

My first post where I do some setup speculation that to him seems overly optimistic. Instead of suggesting that I'm being optimistic or showing why this situation would not guarantee a town victory, dimochka jumps to the conclusion that I'm trying to lull town into a false sense of security. Talk about blowing stuff out of proportion.

My attempt at a reads post. At the time I made it, the bulk of the discussion had been setup spec with some tactics derived from that and a smidgen of talk about IIWAC. Not a lot to work with, as was pointed out by SirG and Sabrar calling it early to be developing such a list. I'm sure dimochka would have done better in my position, no?

My voting flicky based off that reads list. dimochka's opinion is that since my reads list is worthless, taking action based off it is useless. He then votes for me at the end of his reads list. Ah, irony.

Conclusion: with Madge's declaration that she is thinking about voting him, dimochka feels the sharks circling. There's even a chance that his most recent post is bussing scummate!Sabrar in order to skate by on the goodwill delivering scum for a win D4.

Re Point #1:

moody7277 wrote:Two confirmed townies on D3 when we'd be down to six people, especially if we'd been unlucky in lynching previously, is a pretty solid foundation for a town win.

I don't really feel like I need to show why this situation won't guarantee town victory when we have 2 confirmed townies, 2 scum and two unconfirmed townies. One mislynch and we lose. So I really don't see this as a solid foundation for a town win.

Re Point #2: It's the same point on which I was pushing Sabrar. Some posts feel like contributing content when they really do not. I feel like that post was more of a summary, which is fine. What I didn't like was that you created a town-scum list based on basically a summary list.

Re Point #3: I agree, I felt that voting based on that list didn't make sense to me.

My re-read has not changed my opinion to be honest, though a lot of it is because the three of us did not have that much content later in the game; most of it was generated by SDK and Sabrar. And I think the way Sabrar was pushing on Madge during the game is less likely to be bussing. Therefore I do think moody and sabrar were the scum team.

Madge - I think it's pretty much up to you. Moody is basically going to vote me, and I'm going to vote him.

I mean honestly in a regular game I'd be almost confirmed town at this point. I was clearly on around deadline and could've posted a minute before and voted the other way.

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Furtive glances went from one to another. Who was the traitor in their midst? The expert on aboriginal cave paintings was soon eliminated as a possibility. After the debacle with the paleontologist, all were satisfied of her good will. So it came down to the monkey or the man with the blue hat. After some discussion, the monkey and the archeologist had united. The man with the blue hat it was. Since they knew that it wasn't a police cap, they felt quite good about this. And indeed, the last words heard from moody's lips as he stood on the block were "I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse…"

Now that it's official, you can get the rest of the story re the end of D3 and on. Sabrar and I actually had a contingency plan for what happened, which was that I should have been voting SDK at that point and by the tiebreaker rules we would have won. But, the deadlines have been at 1am in my time zone, and I was in bed reading by 1030pm. I had been burnt a couple of times by trying last minute vote rigging to win, and dimochka has already bragged how he was on and available for last minute deliberations. So I cut my losses and we move on to N3. I have the following reasoning:

Madge had already stated a possibility of voting dimochka, so she livesdimochka has been very heavy against me, and his death and flip gives him credibility, so he livesSDK is suspicious, but more importantly he's already seen me at 3-player LYLO, so he dies.

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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.

BoomFrog wrote:I still have no idea what town moody really looks like.

I'll be perfectly honest - had I not put a lot of faith into Madge's meta, I would have voted for her. It's possible that I could've been convinced to vote for her on that last day, but who knows.

If I ever play a game where both sabrar and sdk are scum, I may as well just give up the amount of content and conversation those two have is incredible. I simply do not have that much time (but i'm also in the middle of interviews, so that could be to blame as well).

Sabrar - that suggestion you brought up in D1 that I latched onto - was I at all right that it didn't really matter? Or was that my imagination?

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Are you referring to the unlikely scenario I brought up? When it comes to strategic advice I usually give them with any alignment. If you're interested you can look up my opening post in the Alternating 9P game. Due to the fact that we knew the setup there well before game-start, I've written it before I received my role-pm, thinking I'd be town and when I turned out to be scum I posted it anyway. To be honest in these very open setups these strategies do not offer that much advantage in either direction so I can freely engage in discussion even as scum as well while not having to lie/misdirect. So yes, the scenario was very unlikely but I think I would have mentioned it as town as well.

dimochka wrote:I'll be perfectly honest - had I not put a lot of faith into Madge's meta, I would have voted for her. It's possible that I could've been convinced to vote for her on that last day, but who knows.

I gotta say that meta of mine is probably a reason I can pull off some fun things when I'm scum, but I'm glad it didn't lead to a town loss. I like having dead townies to trust/blame if necessary.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm being a bad person by playing mafia if I don't enjoy the "combing peoples' posts for scumslips" part of the game that seems to be the majority as much as some other people obviously do (looking at SDK and Sabrar as you said). I wonder if I'm making games worse by not participating the "right" way. But I like the logic puzzle parts, and I love figuring out ways to make it all make sense as scum, and I'm having fun, and hopefully it's just social anxiety that has me worried that people think I'm ruining the fun, and if that was really the case hopefully someone would tell me that maybe I should play somewhere else.

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Thanks a lot to SDK for standing in for me. I've been up and down a bit and I'm still not fully recovered. Although I must admit I was playing pretty terribly even before I got ill - I'm glad he turned it around!

Madge wrote:Sometimes I wonder if I'm being a bad person by playing mafia if I don't enjoy the "combing peoples' posts for scumslips" part of the game that seems to be the majority as much as some other people obviously do (looking at SDK and Sabrar as you said). I wonder if I'm making games worse by not participating the "right" way. But I like the logic puzzle parts, and I love figuring out ways to make it all make sense as scum, and I'm having fun, and hopefully it's just social anxiety that has me worried that people think I'm ruining the fun, and if that was really the case hopefully someone would tell me that maybe I should play somewhere else.

If you're having fun, then don't change. I enjoy very much playing with you. Different playing styles keep the game interesting. It might be dull if we all played the same way.