There's not much to be confused about. Shooting in competitions or classes does not magically suspend the law of the land, regardless of how ridiculous that law is.

As the above poster says, the only way around the bullet button is to run featureless. The benefit to that is you'll be able to use those regular-capacity magazines you've had since before 2000, instead of the government mandated reduced-capacity magazines.

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At the training school where I do all my classes my instructor has the philosophy of "you train with what you have". If you run a " featured" rifle with a BB then you need to be able to manipulate that rifle in a defensive scenario. We had guys with featured and featureless rifles and our instructor does not advocate breaking the law, no matter how dumb they are. If you plan to run a "evil features" rifle in Cali with a BB then you need to learn how to properly manipulate the rifle under stressful/defensive scenarios. Those of us running featured rifles in the Tac Carbine class have gotten pretty good with our BBs. It takes practice. I prefer the Ultimate Bullet Button Tools (http:/ubbt.net)

At the training school where I do all my classes my instructor has the philosophy of "you train with what you have". If you run a " featured" rifle with a BB then you need to be able to manipulate that rifle in a defensive scenario. We had guys with featured and featureless rifles and our instructor does not advocate breaking the law, no matter how dumb they are. If you plan to run a "evil features" rifle in Cali with a BB then you need to learn how to properly manipulate the rifle under stressful/defensive scenarios. Those of us running featured rifles in the Tac Carbine class have gotten pretty good with our BBs. It takes practice. I prefer the Ultimate Bullet Button Tools (http:/ubbt.net)

Yes, thank you. I am looking into that as well. Unfortunately, all of my uppers have birdcages on them. I have several stripped lowers so my next build will be a featureless. I've only got one pre-ban 30 rounder, so I still probably wouldn't do well in the class.

I've only got one pre-ban 30 rounder, so I still probably wouldn't do well in the class.

While the BB is more of a hinderance/detriment to training, 10 round magazines are not as much. You'll get more practice reloading if nothing else which isn't all bad. Just bring more 10 round mags to the course loaded and ready to go to keep things moving.

Also you might find that some of the other students may loan you 20/30 rounders (as long as your rifle is compliant) to use in the course.

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Yes! It sucks big time and you'll need to change your mag out after every ten rounds. I'd recommend putting your bb tool closer to your chest for quicker change outs. Bring at least 4 mags with you. At least you'll be proficient in you using your rifle in the state of CA.

While the BB is more of a hinderance/detriment to training, 10 round magazines are not as much. You'll get more practice reloading if nothing else which isn't all bad. Just bring more 10 round mags to the course loaded and ready to go to keep things moving.

There is a lot to be said for this approach. Becoming better at the non-shooting skills (reloads, movement, transitions, getting in/out of positions) will make you a better overall shooter.

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There is a lot to be said for this approach. Becoming better at the non-shooting skills (reloads, movement, transitions, getting in/out of positions) will make you a better overall shooter.

Becoming one with your firearm platform keeps your focus on the objective with less distractions to keep things up and running.

"When the time to perform arrives, the time to prepare has past"

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Thanks for checking, we do not have any additional classes scheduled for 2012.

We are currently working on our 2013 schedule which I hope to have completed and posted to our web page mid October. With the demand for our Fundamental & Transitional Carbine Courses next year we'll be adding a few more to fill the need.

If you have any additional questions, please, don't hesitate to ask.

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Gray Ops has a unique firearms training philosophy that stands out among all firearms training companies. Our instructors are passionate about making sure every student achieves the required knowledge, skills, and ability to control their immediate surroundings with the use of a firearm. Our objective is for you to obtain or sharpen your already acquired “Skill at Arm’s” and other personal defense skills.

With the high demand for our Fund/Inter HG & Fund/Trans Carbine classes we've added more classes for 2013 in the hopes to meet and fill your needs. We've also added a new Handgun Skill Builder Course to fill the gap between Intermediate & Advanced. We should have something to fit everyone's needs. If you don't see it ask and we can make it happen! Other training opportunities include Private Lessons, Semi-Private/Small Group Lessons, and if you have a Group of 5+ we can customize training to fit your requirements.

Our goal is for you to be competent, confident, and comfortable with the weapon of your choice. We have an outstanding success rate due to our willingness to spend the time necessary for you to achieve a level where you are safe and skilled. Gray Ops stresses a personal - but no nonsense – approach. Students learn not only the mechanics of firearm safety and use but the responsibilities gun ownership/use requires. We offer small classes, with a minimum of a 1 to 5 instructor/student ratio to provide the most of our experience. You will not get lost in a crowd.

Class Schedule is subject to change without notice, additional classes will most likely be added as we nail down the dates.
Thanks for all the support in 2012 we at Gray Ops are here for our students when ever the need arises.
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Our mission is to prepare you for those occasions.
"We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training."

For anyone that's attended carbine courses in California with out of state instructors (e.g. Costa, etc.), do the instructors configure their carbines in accordance with California laws? Is there something in the law that excludes them from complying?