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Thanks to my wonderful friend Ky from Casual Hardcore, I’ve been introduced, and labeled with the term ‘shitstorming’ from my apparent reaction to his post on our guild forums.

Now, I’m going to show you what apparent ‘shitstorming’ means by the amount of QQ in my posts that I didn’t even realize were there until after I reread them the next day.

Summing up our posts wouldn’t nearly do the justice from our forum, so I’ll just go ahead and quote directly from the forums.

And to think, our poor lovable mage Miss BB started all this with a minor question if we could just run a few farm raids for low geared guildies.

Kyrilean

OK, this might make some of you think I’m a prick, but I’m going to speak my mind anyway because I’ve reached an age where I don’t care much what people think of me.

Last night’s Naxx run was frustrating to say the least. Wiping on the 2nd trash pull in a raid we’ve had on farm for months is not a great way to start the raid. I personally didn’t want to go because like Mach said, I’m one of the ones that has run it to death on three toons now.

Erdkrieg, my only current toon that may need an item or two still from Naxx25, was already saved this week. Maedchen needs nothing. Kyrileanthos needs nothing. So my attendance to that raid was solely to support the guild and helping people to not only have a chance to raid something, but get a few pieces of gear or emblems.

The reason I was frustrated with Naxx25 wasn’t exactly because of the constant wiping. It was rather because of the inane chatter going on in vent that led me to believe that a good majority of the raid wasn’t paying attention. It may be Naxx, but when people are screwing around not really caring what they’re doing, wiping, and then continue to chatter about random things obviously not paying attention to the raid, I get irritated.

So that said, I am more than happy to use any of my three healers to support a guild Naxx25 or other raid, but I am not OK supporting a guild run where people are going to screw around and not take it seriously. I’m a casual player with a hardcore raider mentality. If I’m going to raid I don’t want to do it half-assed. I hate afk’ers, alt-tabbers, people that don’t run back after a wipe, etc. It isn’t fair to others and whether I’m naive or not to expect others to return the favor, I still expect it.

Macharious

I hear what you are saying Kyr, and I agree with just about everything. Unfortunatly I havn’t reached your age yet lol so I don’t think I could have put it as well as you just did. That is one thing that I would like to add to the requirments of anyone who wishes to lead raids for us. This game is about having fun and socializing…but wiping is not fun. I have always had a hardcore raiding mentality but I’ve never raided hardcore. If it were 100% up to me we would be in ULD25 4-5 days a week pushing through progression, Granted if I did that very few of you all would want to do it with me so that leaves us with our current situation. I am not going to say no “sidebar” conversations…but when we reach the point where it is a distraction and we die becuase of it, it needs to stop.

And 1 more side note: A whipe does not mean the following:

1) HEY WE’RE ALL DEAD! time for a BIO!
2) Man, that sucked! I think I’ll watch TV while others run back so they can Rez me.
3) Looks like we’re close to a boss, I think I’ll have a smoke.
4) I’m thirsty, brb getting (insert desired drink)

See what I am getting at? Downtime between wipes wastes a lot more time that I think everyone realizes.

Then here I come, SHITSTORMER MIKATA, GO!!

Mikata

Personally, as you all may know, in game over vent I’m a very VERY social person when I become confortable with the group. I like to joke around, kid, etc to lighten the mood… and I know most of the time I don’t know my play, and I have a tendency to speak out at the most inopportune times when I should know better to keep my mouth shut.

In my opinion, idle conversation, chit-chat, jokes are okay during trash (unless it’s Ulduar, because Ulduar trash is Srs Bsnz), but come boss time, and I’m getting better at this, conversations need to come to a stop and we need to focus on what we’re doing, even if it’s a boss we’ve farmed 12,458,556,142 times, because there’s still the possibility to wipe if just ONE person isn’t paying attention. (Grobb, Thadd, KT, and 4 Horsmen) And that’s not including if you’re a healer or tank. That’s just DPS that can cause a wipe in Naxx alone.

And I agree with the tabbing out, and the running back, and the afking, and just the general Bullshit people do after a wipe. It is really frustrating because instead of everyone running back and buffing and going, we have sit spend twice as much time ressing, then waiting for the afk’ers or tabbers to come back, then buff, then ready check, then starting the encounter. I make a note that before a raid, I have all of my essencials in-game and out-of-game ready before hand. (Reagents, repaired in game, have a smoke, get a drink, maybe a little snack outside of game) That way I don’t have to go afk unless we’re like 2 hours in and I have to piss like a pregnant russian race-horse.

Bottomline… yes, we have slackers who don’t share a ‘hardcore raider’ mentality, and they’re just casually along for the ride to have fun with friends, but they don’t understand how much that frustrates the rest of us.

And dear god I started ranting… I’M DONE!!

Kyrilean

Don’t misunderstand me. Some of the best raids I have been on have been wipe nights were joking was about the only thing we could do to alleviate the situation. It’s the not paying attention and not bringing your a-game that frustrates and upsets me. There’s a difference.

Taking a bunch of new people that don’t know the fights in a Naxx25 at this point and having them make mistakes wouldn’t frustrate me. They need a chance to learn just like anyone else. It was the impression that was given from people that do know the fights, even if they’re on alts, that they weren’t paying attention.

I have to say that overall the guild officers are doing a fantastic job and deserve our thanks and respect when they’re leading raids. It’s not an easy job.

Mikata

I understand what you’re saying Ky, but my point was that while it’s fun and games for MOST of the group, for SOME of the group is a hassle to pick up the slack of someone who really doesn’t want to be there, is pretty much forcing themselves because they want to progress. It’s aggrivating when instead of running back, someone wants to tab out, or go afk, and fuck off… or even worst, just sit there and openly admit they’re too lazy to run back and joke because they think it’s cute.

I love, actually no, I prefer to talk and have fun during a raid, but like you said earlier, when that joking and fun causes a distraction, it quickly turns from fun and games to “Angry Raid Leader STFU AND LET’S FINISH THIS SHIT SO I CAN LOG AND GO SMOKE A CIGARETTE”

*eyes Steve*

Regardless, it’s one thing to make things friendly and fun, dicking off and circle jerking each other in vent on trash and ‘Lol Die to the Frogger Boss’ because you had lag. “Hahahaha…. point and laugh… let’s go.” But it’s another when you’re trying to do 4 horsemen, and two people are in the back trying to comminicate with one another as to when to switch, but you’ve got someone else over vent being loud and obnoxious and they think they’re being cute. Trash = okay to talk, Some Bosses = Okay to talk, Other Bosses = STFU and Pay Attention.

Also…

(God I can’t stop with the QQs today, fuck!!)

I have seen this before… and if I see it again, I will chew someone’s head off.

Don’t try to be cute and funny during a boss fight. Don’t stand in fire thinking you’re going to get healed. Don’t stand near others if you’re injected with a mutagen because you’re still casting. Don’t ignore adds or the boss if you’re instructed to kill something. Don’t engage the boss unless you’re the tank and EVERYONE is present and ready. Don’t talk back or complain about DPS or Healing assignments.

Once again… I’m done.

Now will all this said and done in the General Forums where EVERY MEMBER OF OUR GUILD CAN READ THE THREAD, let’s see how many ACTUALLY read it, learn from it, adjust because of it, and do better thanks to it.

Last night my guild went in to finish up our first Ulduar 25 we had begun on Wednesday. The run on Monday didn’t go as horribly as some of us assumed it would, we actually managed to down Loot Mobile, Razorscale, and Ignis. (In all honesty the Ignis down was a total shock after wiping so many times.) Well as we went back in last night, we had hopes of clearing up to Kolo, and putting in attempts as IC and Auriaya.

Well, I’ve realized you can’t always get what you ask for. As painful as it was last night, we only managed to down XT.

We attempted Kolo, but his problem was people were constantly sawing people in half with the lazer… WTF!? Because it’s so hard to see a giant beam of blue light following you. On top of that, the DPS we had wasn’t quit meeting the minimum standard we were hoping for. I was resto for this particular raid, but as kitty I can usually hold my own in a 25 man pulling roughly 3-4k depending on the situation in my T7 and miscellaneous Naxx 25 gear.

Boss-man Mach wanted to have a minumum of 3K DPS that some people, granted it was mostly because of thier gear level, couldn’t quite meet that minimum requirement. So, the only solution, to try and continue as many Naxx 25 and Ulduar 10 raids as possible to gear the remaining members of our guild to Ulduar 25 standards. There’s only one small problem.

We have 3 main tanks in the guild, and only a few members who have alts or off-specs to tank and are willing to put up with the harrassment in raids we give our tanks. On top of that, all three of them are limiting thier tanking quota so they don’t get burnt out. So the question is who are we going to pester to tank these Naxx 25 and Ulduar 10 mans?

“You know Mika…. we don’t have a druid tank…”

“>.> Yeah…. aaaaaand??”

“Well you ARE the only kitty in the guild…”

“Sooo….???”

“Well it wouldn’t be hard for you to swap out some gems and gear and you-”

“Hahahahahaha…. WHAT!?”

And that is how I was guilted into considering to tank for the guild’s lower raids.

So today at work I’ve spent my morning reading up on different forums and blogs doing my research for stats that druid tanks require. It doesn’t seem that difficult, to sum everything up I’ve come to the conclusion I can be hit capped, expertise capped, with ~37k health and 35k armor in a week or two, no problem. Between being an avoidence or mitigation tank was a bit of a tough choice, but from the readings I’ve gathered, mitigation is the way to go in progression content for druid tanks.

After being a healer for so long, it’ll be interesting to see things from the other end of the spectrum.