Eric Unger, an Illinois State University student walking home from a party at 2:30am Saturday morning, was attacked by a group of black men. Unger alleges it was a hate crime because the men were yelling anti-gay slurs at him.

The 23-year-old from north suburban Deerfield, who is openly gay, said he asked the group, allegedly composed of five to eight African-American males, “what their problem was.”

Unger said they responded with anti-gay slurs and surrounded him. He said he pleaded that he “just wanted to go home,” but the men attacked him, still hurling anti-gay epithets.

“I don’t know why people like that go out to do that to people, to single someone out and attack them for no reason,” said the student, who called police after the alleged attack and was taken in an ambulance to Advocate BroMenn Medical Center in Normal.

He said he suffered scrapes and bruises around his face, broken teeth, and a fractured jaw. After being treated and released from the hospital, he drove home to Deerfield and saw a dentist Saturday, the student and his father Stu said.

Sounds pretty brutal. We wish Unger a speedy recovery.

Why do these hate-motivated attacks keephappening on college campuses, which are supposedly liberal environments? Perhaps school administrators need to do more with educating their students about the LGBT community. Most importantly, homophobes need to be dressed down by their straight peers when exhibiting anti-gay behavior. Only then will it get better.

I wish Eric a speedy recovery. No one should be attacked on the street.
I have a couple questions regarding the article:
–Eric was attacked by a group of black men (is the race of the attackers relevant?)
–Is Eric black? or are we to assume he isn’t because his race isn’t mentioned
–Would the race of the attackers be mentioned if they were white, Asian, Latino?

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:09 am · @Reply ·

Marie Cohn

What’s their problem?

Answer: they’re insecure about their masculinity and heterosexuality, individually. Collectively, they act out violently.

That’s why it’s not a good idea to even verbalize the question in this context.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:28 am · @Reply ·

Clueless

I agree with @Stephen that it’s a little strange that Eric’s ethnicity isn’t mentioned whereas that of his attackers is (not to detract from the seriousness of this horrible assault).

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:49 am · @Reply ·

John

@Stephen: You’re completely right. What is going on lately?
First Cher’s “ghetto-fab” hair and now this? I might need to switch to towleroad
permanently. I’m starting to feel like someone who gets their information from Fox News.

Whether you like it or not, according to FBI stats, black Americans make up about 18% of the population but commit the most violence against whites of any other race. Whites make up the majority of the population, but commit the lowest amount of violence against blacks.

You ask why these types of attacks keep happening on college campuses, which are supposedly liberal environments. Gotta remember, not everybody on or around any campus is necessarily a student or employee of that school.

It’s funny how the trolls can never come up with any other line of attack.

That is the EXACT same attacks that were used against Constance McMillian when she wanted to attend her prom. “She’s just trying to get attention”

And against the prostitute who outed George Reckers. “He’s just an attention seeking whore”.

Etc…

Apr 23, 2012 at 4:10 pm · @Reply ·

Sam

I really douubt if the sequence of events as retold by the gay white person is true. Clearly he started the fight by asking them”what their problem was”

A lot of gay white men feel entitled to many things given the history of racial consciouness and hatred among them. A lot of cases have been coming up, espeically here in Canada, of gay whites who have been picking up fights with non whites, native canadian indians in this case and then pretending it was a homophobic attack including lodging a police complaint. White gay man found guilty in case of homophobic attack by group of Native Indian Men

Is this present case, really one of homopbhobic attack or good old white men making up stories about non white people. As a gay person of colour, I have repeatedly faced racist bullying intimidation and threats by gay white men in so called gay spaces. Given the levels of racial hatred in the gay community I wounldnt be surprised if this person is lying too. I hope justice is done in the case, and every racist gay who pretends such things will learn a lesson not to do it again.

Apr 23, 2012 at 4:34 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Well I can’t speak for those people because I don’t KMOW them. Seeing as I DO know Eric its safe to say that I can make an educated guess as to his motivation. Oh, and there’s that little fact that he didn’t even mention the possibility of gender biased motivation to the police until the next day. Troll? Or someone who probably knows A LOT more about this case than you.

If a black student you knew was beat up while racial slurs were used against them, would you post comments stating you know the student and it wasn’t a racially based attack, but just the black student running his mouth?

There’s no evidence that you know anyone, least of all the victim in this. The only thing you “know” about this case according to you is it was the victims fault, and his attackers actions should be dismissed.

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:05 pm · @Reply ·

Jeff

Illuminati symbols

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:12 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Wow MEJ. I don’t recall saying that this was at all Eric’s fault. I don’t think it was, I simply think that this is like any other attack that occurs frequently around the ISU campus. Drunks getting out of control. (The agressors, not Eric) I simply question his claim of motivation. I think that his attackers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Additionally, I never claimed to be his friend, simply that I know him. I post anonymously because I teach at ISU and don’t particularly want my information available to everyone that reads a news site. A Normal PD officer is one of my former students, so yea, I DO “know” about this incident beyond what was reported in the paper. The only thing you KNOW is how fast you rush to judgment about the “facts” of the case. I never claimed to have 100 percent certainty that Eric is misrepresenting this incident, merely an educated opinion. And FYI, what was said during the assault does not necessarily indicate the REASON for said assault. How dd they even know that he was gay, its not like he was wearing a pride t-shirt, the assailants didn’t know him. You are making unsupported conclusions regarding this incident. I prefer to let the evidence speak, and so far the evidence does not support the claim.

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:24 pm · @Reply ·

Stephen

@MEJ—mind telling everyone where we can see the stats posted by the FBI?

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:28 pm · @Reply ·

Stephen

@MEJ—and what do any FBI stats have to do with pointing out the race of the attackers but saying nothing about the race of the victim? Is Eric, white, asian, latino, black? How would anyone know from this article.

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:32 pm · @Reply ·

Stephen

@Stephen—when did I become one of the assholes who comments on Queerty, and to Queerty posters?? I need to get a life!!

Without knowing all of the facts, but making a fairly educated guess, I would say that Eric ran his mouth to the wrong guy and got his a$$ beat.

It’s pretty clear you’re blaming the victim for his attack.

You have admitted that you’re not his friend; you’ve admitted that you don’t know all the facts; yet you claim to “know” Eric, and you claim to to be someone who, “knows A LOT more about this case than you.”

If these were comments from another student, they could be easily dismissed as the writings of a foolish young person. But for you to be an instructor at this school, to make these outrageous claims is patently absurd.

You’re getting second hand info from someone you know on the police force, and then posting that gossip on a gay blog.

You can’t present you opinion–and it is just that–as educated because you aren’t his friend, you are basing your opinion on gossip from a former student, and you clearly have an axe to grind regarding Eric Unger. Why don’t you come clean and state what your issue is with him?

You really seem intent on dismissing this anti-gay crime. You have no idea if his attackers knew he was gay, or not. You’re basing your opinion of that on nothing more than your animosity towards Mr.Unger.

Why don’t you come clean and either state who you are trying to protect, and defend; or explain why you dislike Mr. Unger so much that you would take time out of your teaching to post on a gay blog that he brought this attack upon himself?

I post anonymously because I teach at ISU and don’t particularly want my information available to everyone that reads a news site.

Then why is your screen name ISUstudent?

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:38 pm · @Reply ·

B

No. 1 · Stephen wrote, “)is the race of the attackers relevant?)”

It’s relevant insofar as that information would help jog the memory of witnesses, who might not have seen the attack but might have seen the culprits slightly after the attack and might have some information about where they were going or even who they were.

If the attackers were a group of guys who had dyed their hair blue, that would be relevant as well, for the same reason.

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:41 pm · @Reply ·

Clockwork

Aggravated assault –
Prison and probation are how to deter these acts.

I’m sick of every demographic being constructed and thrown into discussions of crime, bullying…There are offenders and there are victims.

Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 pm · @Reply ·

mc

@MEJ: You need to back up your stats. I’ve always understood most crimes are of the same ethnicity black on black or white on white.

In case you’re feeling like a big white victim here, you need to realize that in most cases when it is an alleged black on white crime, it gets huge publicity & lots of venom. Think back to that mother who drowned her own kids & how she initially said it was a black man who stole her car and did it and how EASILY everyone believed her.

I’m not sure who’s posting as ISU student but the police does state that when they took the initial report, the victim did not tell them anything about it being an anti gay crime or that they were gay slurs said to him. They also asked him for a description of the perpetrators and he gave them the description that it was a group of black guys. There’s no mention that he gave descriptions as to height, age, the type of clothes they wore or anything else. This is the reason why their race was posted. They did see that he was injured and say that they get a lot of fights over the weekend in that area but not usually 5 or more against one.

Due to the vague description & the fact that he did not tell the police about the hate crime aspects but instead it gets reported by the news, the police are probably treating this with some skepticism, especially as the area is known for fights. I understand the police says they’ll reevaluate it with this new info in mind.

Are you not following the Trayvon/Zimmerman debacle in Florida? Most of America wants Zimmerman dragged into the street and shot.

As far as Mr. Unger’s recollections, I find not the least bit unusual that a person who has just been bashed by several men would be a bit foggy about the details.

It always amazes me how when Queerty reports on a gay bashing, anonymous experts, eyewitnesses, and friends crawl out of the woodwork to denounce the victim, and defend their attackers.

Apr 23, 2012 at 6:09 pm · @Reply ·

jason

Black culture is extremely homophobic. You only have to look at how blacks portray themselves in the music industry – ie as lady killers who must surround themselves with ho’s all the time. I personally think this image is designed as a cover up.

Of course, there are very good and decent black people around. What I’m saying is that, as a culture, black culture is highly homophobic.

Apr 23, 2012 at 6:28 pm · @Reply ·

mc

Seriously the way the Right has used the Trayvon case as a reason to feel like victims is outrageous, calling him a thug and, posting the incorrect facebook pictures of some other guy with the same name. You don’t seem to have an issue with bashing the victim in that case I guess. And Mr. Zimmerman has simply been arrested and will have his day in court so give it a rest. This doesn’t mean white people are being hunted and gunned down in the streets even though that fills their paranoid fantasies and daydreams.

As for Eric, I can understand the reason behind the foggy details. I can also see room for skepticism from the police who don’t like you to withhold pertinent information that you don’t call them back and tell them about when the fogginess has cleared, but instead you run to the press with it. That’s not the way to get your crime investigated. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or he wasn’t gay bashed but it also doesn’t mean the skeptical ones don’t have a point.

Apr 23, 2012 at 6:34 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

MEJ – 1. Grad students teach at ISU. 2. I have no problem with him I simply know him and know his personalty and the way he acts. 3. Saying he ran his mouth is not the same as saying it is his fault. My point is simply that he didn’t walk away when confronted by some drunk a$$ holes. Yes, it is my opinion and not fact. I never said that it was, simply that I have more facts than you, or what was reported. Lastly, why are you so convinced that it WAS a hate crime? Do you think that it is so impossible that the motivation of the attackers was simply to just be jerks. We all know that fag and queer are all to commonly used as derogatory terms even in attacks on straight individuals.

Where was I bashing the victim in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case? You claimed that Americans get outraged over black on white violence, and only black on white violence. I pointed out quite the opposite.

I appreciate that you don’t like the fact that blacks, even though a minority in America, cause the majority of the crime, but sadly it is true.

Perhaps Mr. Unger “ran” to the press because he was not getting the help from the police that he should have. Perhaps the police just decided to pass this off as a random assault, rather than a targeted hate-crime, so Eric turned to the media.

So you don’t know him personally, but you know of him, so you’ve decided to post comments on a blog using that second hand knowledge of a person you’ve never met to pass judgement on his character, and motivations.

You’ve claimed that in your opinion, Eric might have run his mouth, and therefore brought on this attack. Clearly you are blaming the victim here.

Yes, it is my opinion and not fact. I never said that it was, simply that I have more facts than you, or what was reported

So which one is it? You’re stating your opinion, or you’re stating facts? And why are you so convinced it was not a hate crime? I understand you don’t like Mr. Unger, even though you don’t know him personally, but I don’t understand your insistence on defending faceless thugs who attack people in the middle of the night in the same breath you denounce a victim of assault.

I find it sad that someone who harbours this kind of animosity against a person they don’t even know would be teaching. How badly are you going to treat the students you do know, and actually teach, when you don’t like them?

Apr 23, 2012 at 7:26 pm · @Reply ·

mc

@MEJ: You can appreciate many things. I asked you to back up your made up statistics, which apparently you can’t.

There are many cases of minority on minority crime. There are also plenty of minorities filling the prison system, but you’re incredibly naive if you do not see racism and poverty playing a part in that. As in, a young black man in possession of marijuana or any type of drugs will be more likely to get a prison term than a young white man who can afford a decent lawyer. That’s the way the system works. I went to college with a white guy from an all white area of MI who thought it was all out funny to go slumming and down to Detroit to buy and sell drugs. He didn’t get targeted so he got away with crap like that and contributed quite nicely to the crime in that city. So please while you’re watching your back for the boogie man, ie the black man, own the fact that you have some white privilege.

And in the story, Eric just never went to the police and never told the police it was a hate crime. He admitted not telling the police so there’s nothing to back up this theory of police trying to pass it off as anything. But since this crime has no witness, the victim will need to come up with more than just some black guys to get this solved.

Here are some more shocking statistics: More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year. Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.

The article linked to this story also states this:

Unger said he was “frazzled” after the attack and might not have provided enough details to police.

The police responded at the scene, and took Unger’s statement there. If he recalled more details later, isn’t unusual. What did you want Eric to do–give the cops his attackers addresses, and social security numbers?

Apr 23, 2012 at 7:42 pm · @Reply ·

mc

Don’t take your information from an examiner article where the person is EXTRAPOLATING the data. People writing this have an agenda and feeds into the paranoia of people like you.

Also Eric needed to call the police and say in the rush to get to the hospital I may have left out important information like the fact that I believe I was attacked due to being gay. That does not require anything extraordinary to do and would have helped his case.

Apr 23, 2012 at 7:47 pm · @Reply ·

mc

Per Wikipedia by the way, The New Century Foundation is described as a White Supremacist Group–so they have zero credibility.

Apr 23, 2012 at 7:52 pm · @Reply ·

Someone New

Right. Now statistics are racist.

Why don’t you provide facts that contradict the facts I provided facts, mc? Or are you better a full form denials?

Be assaulted by several men early in the morning, then come back here and tell us what your experience was like. I’m sure you’ll give the police all the pertinent details, descriptions, and not leave out one iota of information. Or maybe not.

My comments are now being moderated, so I post via a proxy. That’s what I love about Queerty–invariably someone shows up here defending the indefensible, and when they can’t win a debate, they shut down the other sides opportunity to respond.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:07 pm · @Reply ·

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My comments are now being moderated, so I post via a proxy. That’s what I love about Queerty–invariably someone shows up here defending the indefensible, and when they can’t win a debate, they shut down the other sides opportunity to respond.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:10 pm · @Reply ·

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Right. Now statistics are bigoted.

Why don’t you provide facts that contradict the facts I provided, mc? Or are you better a full form denials?

Be assaulted by several men early in the morning, then come back here and tell us what your experience was like. I’m sure you’ll give the police all the pertinent details, descriptions, and not leave out one iota of information. Or maybe not.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm · @Reply ·

mc

@.: It’s not statistics, he’s extrapolating the data, ie, making things up to fit his agenda. Or do you believe all people spouting statistics. Because I’m pretty sure NOM and other hate groups have spouted some data about adopted kids of gay people being more molested or depressed or some such nonsense.

Do you believe every statistical garbage you read especially when it comes from a group whose goal is to live in a homogenized society like Japan where there’s only one race. They believe in only a white world excluding most Jews–what part of that makes you believe they’re credible source of information on RACE. Your source of information comes from a HATE GROUP–that should maybe wake you up to the fact that it might be bogus.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

MEJ – Clearly you can either not read or not comprehend, I DO know him, personally, as I stated. And opinion BASED ON FACTUAL INFORMATION…. you know what, forget it. You’re not even worth the time.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:21 pm · @Reply ·

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@mc:

It’s very simple–Provide statistics that contradict the statistics I posted here. If you’re so confident that I’m wrong, prove it. You’re very good at posting comments telling people they’re wrong. Why don’t you prove me wrong?

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:27 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

MEJ – Clearly you can either not read or not comprehend, I DO know him, personally, as I stated.

How can you “know” someone, and not know them personally?

Additionally, I never claimed to be his friend, simply that I know him.

Just because you’ve seen someone on campus, doesn’t mean you know them. What are you–an angry ex-lover? A pissy het? What?

And opinion BASED ON FACTUAL INFORMATION….

Without knowing all of the facts

Yes, it is my opinion and not fact.

You’ve stated you don’t have all the facts, and you’re not basing this on facts, but your opinion of the victim. Yet now you claim you know all the facts.

you know what, forget it. You’re not even worth the time.

Clearly you have an agenda against Eric Unger. Perhaps your identity should be found out, because who you are might be very interesting.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:35 pm · @Reply ·

mc

And to your point further: “Right. Now Statistics are Bigoted” look at what NOM says here: “The children of homosexual parents are much more likely to be sexually abused. The journal Adolescence reports that a “disproportionate percentage—29 percent—of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent” So the answer is yes, Statistics can be bigoted.

You ever hear the saying there are Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics? It came from stuff like the above and your ‘crime stats’ from the white supremacist.

As for my proving you right or wrong, honey that’s a lost cause. It’s been shown that once a conspiracy theorist gets a hold of an idea (like the birthers) the more you disprove it, the more they dig their heels in. It shakes the foundation they’re living on too much to believe otherwise.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:38 pm · @Reply ·

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@mc:

As for my proving you right or wrong, honey that’s a lost cause. It’s been shown that once a conspiracy theorist gets a hold of an idea (like the birthers) the more you disprove it, the more they dig their heels in. It shakes the foundation they’re living on too much to believe otherwise.

So in other words, you have no facts to back up your argument.

You can complain about the websites I linked to all you want. But the fact of the matter is those are FBI stats.

You demanded facts from me, and I provided them. Yet rather than provide facts yourself, you bring up NOM to distract the debate from the original topic of this post.

If you’re really convinced you can prove me wrong, then do it. Otherwise shut-up, and move along.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

MEJ – “How can you “know” someone, and not know them personally?”

What part of DO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY do you not understand?

“Clearly you have an agenda against Eric Unger. Perhaps your identity should be found out, because who you are might be very interesting.”

Oh yes my all to clear agenda to destroy Eric Unger. So according to you saying that someone is lying means that you have an agenda against them. Clearly, the conspiracy douche bag in you is beginning to show. Come find me, I doubt it would be that difficult. I would love to have a face to face conversation with you. Destroying your moronic arguments in person would be rather entertaining.

Apr 23, 2012 at 8:53 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

What part of DO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY do you not understand?

And what exactly does “personally” mean? You’re acting like an obsessive ex–or a stalker.

Oh yes my all to clear agenda to destroy Eric Unger.

You posted here anonymously trashing this person. You claim to be a graduate student at ISU, who is in a teaching position. The idea that someone in our position would be so spiteful, and mean spirited as to write such childish things about an assault victim is nauseating.

Why the hell do you hate Eric Unger so much?

So according to you saying that someone is lying means that you have an agenda against them.

You called this man an “attention whore” for Christ’s sake. You’ve done everything you can to put the blame for this attack on Mr. Unger, and impugn his reputation.

And you have no idea if he’s lying. You hate this person so much, you’ve decided to come on here and claim he’s lying.

Clearly, the conspiracy douche bag in you is beginning to show.

Isn’t that interesting? Two anonymous posters both claiming I’m a conspiracy theorist.

Come find me, I doubt it would be that difficult.

Why don’t you make easier and post your name, and department here? Eric Unger’s life has been laid bare by this assault, yet you hide behind your screen name, trashing a person whom you refuse to explain how you know, or why you’re so bitter towards his, and trying so desperately to claim he brought this on himself.

I would love to have a face to face conversation with you. Destroying your moronic arguments in person would be rather entertaining.

Considering you’re doing such a poor job of articulating your argument here, I seriously doubt you’d do much better in person. Any student that has you for an instructor is wasting their parent’s money.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:07 pm · @Reply ·

mc

“Isn’t that interesting? Two anonymous posters both claiming I’m a conspiracy theorist.”

Don’t worry, we’re not the same person. We just are looking at the obvious based on your posts as you vehemently defend White Supremacists. Your world will apparently come crumbling down if you let go of your belief black people are out to get you. Also apparently the possibility this young man may be not completely truthful about his attack will send you over the edge as well, as you theorize a whole story out of thin air about the police refusing to investigate this hate crime. I think the many posts you’ve written point very clearly to what you’re about and conspiracy theorist seems apt.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:13 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Wow I was unaware that knowing someone personally is stalking. Saying someone is lying does not mean that you hate them. Oh, poor mr Unger. Please, you don’t even know the kid. Get to know him, then defend him. My students never have complaints and my arguments are articulated just fine. Its not my fault that you are having difficulty understanding them. Perhaps if you had a higher level of intelligence you might begin to understand even the most basic concepts and ideas than attempting to twist words to suit your ridiculous agenda. Lastly, I post anonymously to avoid having my email full of inane emails from morons like you.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:16 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

mc – Well said.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm · @Reply ·

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@mc:

The time that it took you to post that asinine comment, mc, you could have searched for statistics that belie the stats I posted. At this point you’re not the least bit interested in backing up your own bias against white people, you’re just interested in trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as bigoted.

Both you, and ISUstudent have worked tireless to paint Eric Unger as a liar, and blamed him for this attack. Whatever your agenda is, it’s clear you don’t like having it pointed out.

Please do keep responding, mc, because with each successive comment you’re showing the readers here that you’re argument is nothing but hyperbole, whining, and a desperation to play on white liberal guilt. Unless of course a white person is assaulted by black people, then your goal is to claim that person is a liar.

Neither you, nor ISUstuent have facts to back up your comments. All you have is your bias against the white victims of assault at the hands of blacks; and all he has is is hatred of Eric Unger.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:21 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

mc – Well said.

if only you could write that well.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:22 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

Considering you took the time to post a spiteful comment here on Queerty about an assault victim that your clearly don’t like, that does appear to be stalking. What are you doing; searching online for any mention of this case for an opportunity to trash Eric Unger? And calling them “a notorious attention whore” is a demonstration of admiration?

You’re not his friend, you’re not his boyfriend. What are you to him? Why don’t you come clean? Or perhaps will the admission of your association with Eric Unger prove that you have it out for him? Clearly you’re on the warpath here. The question is why. Whatever the reasoning, you really sound like a pissy little man.

As far as your students, I’m sure if your students complained you’d trash them online. And only you think your arguments are “fine”. The rest of us? Not so much.

You say you’re smart, so you must be. It’s not like people lie on the internet, or anything. As far as agendas, you’re the one who came to a gay blog to trash the victim of a possible gay bashing. You really have it out for Eric Unger, you just don’t have the balls to state why.

You post anonymously because you’re a coward. It’s easier to call the victims of violent crimes attention whores if you’re hiding behind your computer. I have to wonder if that a school computer you’re using. perhaps the school administration should be made aware of your comments here.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

MEJ – I write quite well thank you. Perhaps you lack of education is getting in the way of understanding the big words. I wish i could dumb it down for you but I fear that I simply can neither think nor write at a level low enough for you to clearly comprehend. I will therefore stop responding to your ridiculous comments as I fear that you will never be able to interpret anything over a 5th grade level. Perhaps english is not your first language? Whatever the reason, I do hope that in the future you are able to work out your deficiencies. But hey, if ignoring valid arguments and twisting words is your fancy, more power to you. It’s so nice that you’re encouraging mc to keep posting except that I really feel with each post he is not, as you say, “because with each successive comment you’re showing the readers here that you’re argument is nothing but hyperbole, whining, and a desperation to play on white liberal guilt” but rather showing the lack of intelligence or factual basis within your arguments. Something to note, how many other commenters are standing up for you and your arguments? Just some food for thought.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:43 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

26fish@gmail.com shoot me an email and we can arrange a time to debate this in person fuck boy. Then you can hear exactly how I know Eric, when I meet him, our relationship to one another, I can demonstrate just how wrong you are, and perhaps you’ll see wether or not I’m a ‘pissy little man’.

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:53 pm · @Reply ·

Aussie Col

I don’t know Eric, so I don’t need to address those ridiculous issues. There are no words, no insult, no activity, no look that justifies the damage inflicted on Eric.
But here are some words that describe the attackers…gutless, closeted, impotent (mean that as a general term), weak… dogs (for having the tendency to hunt in packs).

This one sided violence is not a measure of manhood. But it is a measure on a society that accepts this

Apr 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

You write quite well? Much like your opinion of this assault, that statement is flawed, and based on nothing more than your biased opinion. As far as my education, I don’t recall any of my instructors describing students as “attention whores”, but I guess I never traveled in the same circles of erudite individuals, such as yourself.

I don’t think you need to concern yourself with my comprehension level. You’re coming across quite clear–you hate Eric Unger, trolled a gay blog to trash talk him, and got pissy when someone called you out for it. It’s all fairly clear.

Regarding you not responding to my comments anymore, that is the second time you’ve written that. I really have to question who is the attention whore in all this.

As far as other readers standing up for my comments, I don’t see a mad rush of Queerty readers running to your defense. Why? Because they see a pissy, angry bitter het who came to out gay blog to trash the gay victim of a possible anti-gay hate crime.

I have no idea why you have it in for Eric Unger. I have no idea why you took time, and school resources to search out a blog that reported this story, just so your could trash the victim of an assault, and imply that he brought the violence upon himself. You searched out a former student on the Normal police force to gather information about this case, so you could use these imagined “facts” to back up your opinion. And in the end, you don’t even have the balls to state who you are, or what you are to the victim of this crime. Perhaps you’re trying to defend the attackers? Maybe you think gay people who talk back deserve to be bashed? Maybe you think Eric Unger crossed you sometime, or made a fool of you? Whatever the reasoning, you have it out for Eric Unger, and ti’s a petty, and childish vendetta.

All i know is that first thing tomorrow morning, I’m calling ISU, and I’ll be speaking to whomever has the authority to investigate your comments on this blog. No school can have an instructor posting hateful comments about students who have been assaulted on campus.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:01 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

shoot me an email and we can arrange a time to debate this in person fuck boy

First off, I don’t live in Illinois, nor America.

Secondly, even if I lived next door to you, I wouldn’t take the time to discuss anything with you because you are a pathetic, odious, bigoted, sad little man. And I seriously doubt a f2f meeting would end well for you.

I will however pass your email on to the correct individual at ISU so that they may investigate the comments you’ve made here about an ISU student who was the victim of assault.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:08 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

I am gay you moron. You have no problem posting on the comment board but you wont email me? As far as your complaint to ISU goes, feel free. The contact info for that is:

Office of the Provost
Illinois State University
Campus Box 4000
Normal, Il 61790-4000
Contact Us

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:08 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Additionally, if you would like to provide your contact information I would gladly pass it onto my department chair.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm · @Reply ·

SEXXYJAMAICAN

@.: Well the majority of the posters on Qweerty are like you and think ALL black people are violent homophobes and the black ones that are gay here on Qweerty just don’t give a phuck no more. That’s why.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

I would gladly provide my contact info, but then my comment would get moderated, and never appear. Thanks to cowards who don’t want to see any opinion that differs from their own, I’ve been banned and have to keep changing my screen name, and email address.

Thank you very much for providing that contact info for ISU. Now all I need is your name, and department.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:21 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

BTW–Fuck boy? That was the best your brilliant mind could come up with? If you’re an example of the American education system, I can understand why homeschooling is so popular.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:23 pm · @Reply ·

mc

@ .: “First off, I don’t live in Illinois, nor America.”

You’re certainly opinionated about the state of race relations here considering you’re not a resident. Most people I know live and work with with African Americans and aren’t in a constant state of paranoia about them. And most AA aren’t spouting off anti gay rhetoric despite what you think you know. The most I’ve heard are the women complaining about they wish men weren’t on the down low and would just tell them up front they’re gay.

Ask any gay American where he’s more comfortable going on vacation, an urban center that’s ethnically diverse including AA or an all white small town deep in the bible belt. Which place will raise a fuss if you hold hands with your boyfriend?

Also not sure why you’re attacking the one poster for giving an opinion on a blog that’s different than yours. You want to get him fired now? What a joke. I’d advise ISUstudent to keep his personal info to himself. The internet is not that safe obviously.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

“I would gladly provide my contact info, but then my comment would get moderated, and never appear.”

Not to worry. You can email it to me, as you see above I provided you that information.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm · @Reply ·

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@SEXXYJAMAICAN:

I don’t beleive the “majority” of posters on Queerty think all black people are violent homophobes. There are a handful who beleive this, and post often. So don’t paint everyone with a broadbrush.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:26 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

mc – I agree, I definitely wont be providing my info on the comment section here but I have no problem with him contacting the university. First, they wouldn’t even try to fire me for comments here (despite what MJE thinks, they were not hateful). Second, even if they wanted to they would have no grounds.

Not being a resident, I have an unbiased, and uncoloured opinion of race relations in America. Because we don’t bath ourselves in Fox News, or rally with Al Sharpton, we can sit back and watch. Because even our black citizens don’t view themselves as anything other than Canadian, we don’t have this absurd concept of “Africa-American”.

Since you’ve never stated what your race is, I have no idea if you’re viewing your friends co-work through a white, or black perspective. You can’t dismiss the fact that many white people go out of their way to appear comfortable around black people, out of fear of hurting them, or making them feel inferior.

And depending on where you live will determine the level of acceptance of gay people among various races. To claim that there is wholecloth acceptance of homosexuals among black people is a false assertion that is contradicted by the massive numbers of black churches that routinely demonize gays.

And you can’t seriously beleive that it’s safer in an urban environment to be openly gay, than in the South? For the moment I’ll ignore your own obvious bias, and bigotry towards the southern states, and I won’t touch on the implication that urban blacks are more tolerant that Southern whites. However, there are more anti-gay bias crimes in large urban centers, than in Southern states. Eric Unger was assaulted in Illinois, not Mississippi. It’s not even safe to be openly gay in many parts of San Francisco.

As far as ISUstudent goes, that is none of your concern, and you don’t have a dog in that fight, so kindly mind your own business.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:43 pm · @Reply ·

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Well, I wasted time emailing this imbecile ISUstudent and this was the reply I got:

That’s what you’re not getting. I don’t hate him, I’m indifferent to him. I simply know what kind of person he is. Did he bring this on himself? Absolutely not, did not deserve to get his ass kicked. But do I think it was motivated by him being gay, no. I think he was drunk, came across some ass holes who bumped into him on the street, he responded, and it ended badly. I never dated him, I was friends with him for a short while but he is superficial so I stopped hanging out with him. FYI he was never my student and I didn’t say he was. He’s a nice enough kid, but he is an attention whore, plain and simple. We never had a ‘falling out’ we simply stopped hanging out. You’re twisting words and trying to ascribe feelings where none exist.

That’s it! That is how ISUstudent “personally” knows Eric Unger–he hung out with him for a short while. Well, I guess ISUstudent will be writing Eric Unger’s biography soo, since he so clearly knows him so well.

to me
I don’t have all night to listen to your bitch fest, so get to the point and explain why you hate Eric Unger so fucking much.

John Santos

Anno Mous
9:36 PM (9 minutes ago)

to johnnysantos
That’s what you’re not getting. I don’t hate him, I’m indifferent to him. I simply know what kind of person he is. Did he bring this on himself? Absolutely not, did not deserve to get his ass kicked. But do I think it was motivated by him being gay, no. I think he was drunk, came across some ass holes who bumped into him on the street, he responded, and it ended badly. I never dated him, I was friends with him for a short while but he is superficial so I stopped hanging out with him. FYI he was never my student and I didn’t say he was. He’s a nice enough kid, but he is an attention whore, plain and simple. We never had a ‘falling out’ we simply stopped hanging out. You’re twisting words and trying to ascribe feelings where none exist.

“…according to FBI stats, black Americans make up about 18% of the population but commit the most violence against whites of any other race…”

Whether this stat is true or not, what does that have to do with Stephen’s point about Queerty’s article mentioning the attacker’s race and not the victim’s.

Because you believe Blacks are more violent towards Whites than Whites towards Blacks that news articles mentioning the criminal’s African ethnicity is something that can be justified? Just 50 years ago it was completely the opposite.

You’re so racist is HILARIOUS. But I’m laughing at you, not with you.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:54 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

Know him better than you do. And know him enough to assess his personality and make a judgment as to what happened, unlike you.

You have decided you know him. You’ve consistently presented Eric Unger as some monster that horribly wronged you, and was deserving of your derision, and ridicule. And in the end, you, “was friends with him for a short while”. That’s it. You know him as well as I do–not very. The difference is I’m not on a public forum trashing the young man, while hiding behind an alias.

now crawl back under your bridge.

Once you move out.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:55 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Wow, trashing and presented him as a monster. Your ability to distort words fascinates me. Your delusional condition should really be studied in a laboratory setting.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:57 pm · @Reply ·

mc

Not being a resident here means that you’re clueless on what life is really like here, that is all. This whole idea of a group of white people dripping with fear because they’re afraid to make the black people not feel inferior is ludicrous. What makes you think Blacks feel inferior in any way? What makes you think people are walking on egg shells around anyone based on race. in the real world, you’re working with colleagues and superiors of every different race & nationality, but since you’re not American maybe you’re not aware of this.

As for the South, it’s when I lived there that I saw the blatant racism of whites who would reject candidates on jobs purely on race and request that agencies don’t send black people for interviews. So your view of Blacks stomping over whites are very, very distorted and not reality based. Also homophobia is a big part of the Southern mentality. As for homophobia, it’s across all races as far as I’ve seen.

Apr 23, 2012 at 10:59 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

And your victim complex really should be examined, and medicated. The way you presented your history with Eric Unger, one would think he ate your cat. Instead you stopped being friends. Wow! I think you should immediately contact the former student on the Normal PD, and inform him that you and Eric are no longer buds.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:05 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

The way I presented my ‘history’ with him? I said I know him… which I do.

to me
I find it sad that you see the assault on a student as something amusing. I will also be contacting Alyssa Siegele at the school paper. Perhaps if the powers that be decide not to punish you, the court of public opinion will see fit to mete out justice.

By the way, when you refer to me on Queerty, feel free to use John Santos, or any of my other aliases:

Mr. Enemabag Jones
MEJ
Ogre

John Santos

Anno Mous
10:04 PM (5 minutes ago)

to johnnysantos
I don’t find the assault funny. I find you hilarious. The court of public opinion would be on my side in agreeing that you are a douche trying to create controversy where none exist. I find it rather amusing that you keep trying to scare me by threatening to report me to the university and to the school paper. Do you really think that either will take you seriously? You do? Oh, that’s cute.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:11 pm · @Reply ·

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@mc:

One doesn’t have to be black in America to educate oneself on the history, associations, and actions that have shaped American race relations.

No where in my comment did I say that blacks feel inferior. That concern that a white person would do something inadvertently to offend a black person is part and parcel of white liberal guilt. It makes the single woman walk into an elevator with two black men, even though she feels she shouldn’t, but she does, because she doesn’t want to marginalize those two strangers.

I’m quite aware of a multi-cultural workplace, because Canada is the most racially diverse country in the western world. We brought to the forefront the idea of a multi-culti nation, where everyone of every background does not “assimilate” but becomes a citizen in an open environment, rather than a homogenous population dominated by any one race. Because of this, Canada has never been a “melting pot”. We are, what America will never be.

As for the South, it’s when I lived there that I saw the blatant racism of whites who would reject candidates on jobs purely on race and request that agencies don’t send black people for interviews.

I highlighted this particular part, because I want readers to see that while you were lambasting me for a perceived racism, you yourself harbour a bias towards whites that still tinges your opinion today. Like Gillespie said to Virgil in the film, “In the Heat Of The Night”, You’re just like us.

I allowed the facts to speak for me. That you chose to ignore those facts are your prerogative.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:17 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

The way I presented my ‘history’ with him? I said I know him… which I do.

You used to know him. By your own admission, you’re no longer friends with him.

That said, why did you feel it necessary to come here and call him an attention whore, a liar, and claim he brought the assault on himself?

You really are unhinged in your obsession with Eric Unger.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:22 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

You are unhinged in your obsession with me. Are you my new stalker?

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:24 pm · @Reply ·

mc

@.: You don’t live here so you’re clueless no matter how multicultural Canada is, it’s not America and it doesn’t have American history. And the passage you highlighted is what actually happened since I worked for an employment agency and took the calls requesting no Blacks. Sorry if that doesn’t mesh with your world view of poor victimized white people. I’m pointing out a reality that in this country the majority of the power is still held by white people and it gets tiresome to hear how if only blacks weren’t so homophobic things would be great.

It’s a lot of nonsense as most of the anti gay legislature from state to state and nationwide has been put forth by the people in power, which the majority of are white men. So pointing to Black people as the end all and the be all of homophobia is plain old stupid. And it’s a fact, that in the white bible belt areas of this country , it’s not safe to be gay. You don’t believe it then I invite you to go vacation there.

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:31 pm · @Reply ·

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@ISUstudent:

You’re the person who said you wouldn’t respond to my comment anymore–twice. Not only are your replying here, but you continually email me.

I’m starting to get the impression that you and Mr. Under didn’t just stop being friends. If you treated him with the same frothing, obsessive attachment you’ve demonstrated here with me tonight, then perhaps Eric didn’t stop being your friend, perhaps he fled as far away from you as possible.

Reading this list of common stalker traits describes you to a tee:

*Won’t take no for an answer
*Has an obsessive personality
*Above average intelligence
*No or few personal relationships
*Lack of embarrassment or discomfort at actions
*Low self esteem
*Sociopathic thinking
*Has a mean streak

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:32 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

I’ll repeat what I said to you via email

“I was going to stop responding to your repeated comments and emails but I’m having so much fun watching you get all huffy and make an ass out of yourself. Please, keep it coming, this has been my, and several of my friends, amusement for the past few hours. You should be happy that you are providing so much entertainment! lol”

Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 pm · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

mc – I wouldn’t bother trying to provide a logical and rational argument to this guy. He clearly does not grasp what you actually type but rather simply reads into it what he wants to read to fuel is ridiculous arguments.

@ISU and .
Both of you are being asses. Continue this discussion amongst yourselves and let the rest of us live in peace from your petty bickering.

For the record, examiner.com is not a reliable news source and a teacher (even if just a grad student) commenting on the personal motivations of a student at his school (even if he isn’t your student) is at the very least unethical.

Give us a break, get over yourselves, and grow the fuck up!

Apr 24, 2012 at 12:18 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Aladin –
“Both of you are being asses. Continue this discussion amongst yourselves and let the rest of us live in peace from your petty bickering.”

I really have no choice but to agree with you on this point. I really let my amusement with the situation get the best of me.

“a teacher (even if just a grad student) commenting on the personal motivations of a student at his school (even if he isn’t your student) is at the very least unethical.”

On this I respectfully disagree. If it were a high school student or minor in general I would agree, or even if he were one of my former students. This is college, we’re all adults (even though some of us don’t always act it. see above) Eric is t is a 23 year old man and my only relationship with him is on a non-professional level. The university ethics policy backs me up on the fact that I am fully within my rights to comment in this area.

…and a teacher (even if just a grad student) commenting on the personal motivations of a student at his school (even if he isn’t your student) is at the very least unethical.

I’m having a hard time understanding why you and I are the only two who see this as unethical.

Apr 24, 2012 at 12:48 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Mr. Enemabag Jones – Hum. Really, calling someone out is unethical? Apparently you and I (and the university) have differing opinions on the subject of ethics. I stated my opinion that his account was suspect due to my knowledge of his past behavior. I do not dispute that what happened to him was wrong and that the offending parties deserve to be arrested and tried for their crime. I simply question the motivation of said crime. I readily admit that I might be wrong and that this is just my opinion. I fail to see how this is unethical.

Apr 24, 2012 at 12:51 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

PS folks this is college not a ‘school’. The rules are different. For instance in college a professor can have a sexual relationship with a student (if it is his/her student the relationship must be reported). But I’m unethical for commenting about someone who I know personally in a non-professional capacity? I think not. My first amendment rights do not evaporate because I teach.

Clearly we have different ideas on ethics. I don’t think slandering a victim of assualt on a public blog is ethical. I have no idea what motivated you to search out Queerty, read this blog posting, and post a cruel, and opinionated comment about a gay man who was assaulted.

Whatever your motivation, or reward for doing so, you may cling to the belief that you did no wrong in the schools eyes, but before every person reading this you are a poor excuse for a human being.

Apr 24, 2012 at 12:59 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report (byw the word you are looking for is libel, slander is spoken)

An opinion can not be legally considered libel. By your definition when you stated “poor excuse for a human being” you committed libel.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is any less valid than the other nor are they legally actionable.

I’m impressed at how hard you work to justify your inhumane comments. You really are a sad, bitter man.

Do you reserve this kind of hatred for all gay men, of just the ones that dump you?

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:07 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Mr. Enemabag Jones funny coming from you. I just took a look at some of the hateful comments that you have posted about people on QWERTY in the past. Can we say hypocrisy?

Never dated him, good try though!

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:11 am · @Reply ·

AladinSane

I can’t possibly imagine how negative comments from a teacher can create a negative learning environment, engender a lack of trust in teachers, and in general decrease the impartial standing of a university. /end sarcasm

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:13 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

Yes, because clearly I make the same comments in class to my students. /end sarcasm Fail.

Considering I haven’t used this particular screen name in a while, your comment regarding what I’ve posted in the past is easy to disregard.

As far as your true relationship with Eric Unger, he will be able to confirm what the nature of it was. You seem far too bitter, and jaded towards him to just be a passing acquaintance. You read like a scorned ex-lover. Perhaps a lover that never was? Eric appears to be a handsome young man. Perhaps one you couldn’t have?

Either way, your comment was uncalled for, and most normal thinking individuals wouldn’t take time out of their day to post a wholly unnecessary comment on a gay blog about a young person who was assaulted. That you saw fit to do so, and have spent dozens of comments justifying says more about you, than me, or Eric Unger.

Now, unlike you, I am done. The people who need to be contacted have been, and as information rolls in, that information will be distributed to all who are interested.

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:19 am · @Reply ·

AladinSane

@ISU, please try and pull yourself back from the situation (I’m sure . has you riled but forget him). How would you feel if you had a teacher openly proclaiming negative opinions of a student at your school, even if he wasn’t in your class? Would you trust the teacher more? Would you seek him/her out for advice? Would you even feel safe to engage him in general conversation while getting coffee?

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:20 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

AladinSane – I completely agree which is why I would never say this about one of my students nor would I say it TO ANY of my students and why I post anonymously. Again I feel the need to reiterate that my relationship with the victim was not as student / teacher. This is someone that at one time I was friends with. And really I think that y’all are reading way too much into my comments in general. I fell really bad for him and do that that what happened to him is horrible. I simply question the motivation of the attack and his subsequent need to contact the Chicago press (not the local press) the next day with a story that was different than the one he gave police. Again, I may be completely wrong and fully admit such. I was simply giving my opinion. Additionally, I was giving my opinion as a former friend of the victim, not in any capacity as a teacher. The fact that I teach at the university (many people here in town do) nor that he just so happens to be a student at the university (like 1/2 of the towns population are) is irrelevant. Its not like this is an opinion that I shred in the classroom with all of my students nor could any of my students that might happen to read this (I guarantee none) would even know that I was the one who was commenting.

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:31 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

AladinSane – Again, I do have to apologize for letting myself get so wrapped up in the entire back an forth. I do enjoy a civilized conversation with someone like yourself who attempts to make their point in a reasonable fashion and I really do respect your point of view. I myself am guilty of becoming quite childish in the heat of the moment but I really do prefer having a rational conversation, i swear! lol

Considering the nature of this particular story, and the content of your comments, my question is relevant. Explain yourself, and your motivation in publicly denigrating a victim of assault, who is not here to defend himself, or present his side of the story.

How has your life been made better by maligning Eric Unger? Just answer the question.

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:46 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

I’m taking @AladinSane advice and not taking the bait. Have a nice night.

Apr 24, 2012 at 1:52 am · @Reply ·

AladinSane

This is from the Association of American Educators in regards to what they consider ethical in dealing with students (notice it doesn’t mention whether the student is yours or not). This may not be your SPECIFIC guideline at your University, but professional ethics are not laws. They are a guideline for moral behaviour in professional environments. Can you argue your “right” to speak about a student against this?

“The professional educator accepts personal responsibility for teaching students character qualities that will help them evaluate the consequences of and accept the responsibility for their actions and choices. We strongly affirm parents as the primary moral educators of their children. Nevertheless, we believe all educators are obligated to help foster civic virtues such as integrity, diligence, responsibility, cooperation, loyalty, fidelity, and respect-for the law, for human life, for others, and for self.

The professional educator, in accepting his or her position of public trust, measures success not only by the progress of each student toward realization of his or her personal potential, but also as a citizen of the greater community of the republic.

1. The professional educator deals considerately and justly with each student, and seeks to resolve problems, including discipline, according to law and school policy.

2. The professional educator does not intentionally expose the student to disparagement.

3. The professional educator does not reveal confidential information concerning students, unless required by law.

4. The professional educator makes a constructive effort to protect the student from conditions detrimental to learning, health, or safety.

5. The professional educator endeavors to present facts without distortion, bias, or personal prejudice.”

I’d say you get an F on the last four.

Can you in good faith say with absolute certainty that no student at your school would possibly connect you to these posts, least of all the subject of the article (who is gay and likely to read a gay blog)? And if he read this and shared with your students wouldn’t undermine your ability to teach?

I have been in professional management for going on 20 years and I can’t imagine any colleague of mine agreeing with you. If it has the potential to be inappropriate then it should be considered as such. It doesn’t matter how you feel about the situation. If I said something disparaging to someone at another business, even if I thought it wouldn’t get back to me, it doesn’t matter whether or not they work for me. I have now fostered a negative and untrustworthy environment. Our job is to foster openness, dignity, and goodwill.

No, you’re backing out of explaining yourself. If you can post dozens of comments defending what you wrote about Eric Unger, why can’t you take one paragraph to explain your motivation for posting your very first comment?

I will repeat it:

Why do you feel it’s necessary for you to publicly question this situation? What benefits do you gain? How is your life made better? How is the investigation advanced?

Why did you feel it was of paramount importance to come to Queerty and post the comments you have?

Why don’t you just explain your motivation?

It’s a very simple question.

Apr 24, 2012 at 2:01 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

AladinSane – One, this document is geared toward middle and high school, not college. WHOLE different environment. We don’t coddle the ‘children’ because they are adults, That being said, again I would never say this directly to my students. Regardless, I have every right to express my opinion. Honestly, I could even do so in the classroom. Because the story is public domain my benign comments would fall under the protections of academic freedom. (Not the attention whore comment but the comments questioning motivations) You seem to be implying that because I teach college I have to refrain from having ANY controversial opinions, or at least avoid expressing them. College if full of instructors with offensive points of view. I at least share mine anonymously on a forum rather than in the classroom. I understand what you are saying but I think that you are attributing much more to my comments than is reasonably present.

Two, guarantee that none of my students could identify me, they don’t know me on a personal level and I would highly doubt that any of them would be on QWERTY. There are many professors at ISU. They would not only have to know me but also know enough about me to determine my identity. Additionally, my comments were not made in an official capacity.

I at least share mine anonymously on a forum rather than in the classroom.

What you don’t seem to comprehend is the fact that you’ve posted a comment about an ISU student on a public site. As long as Queerty exists, anyone who stumbles onto this site, can read what you wrote about Eric Unger.

You really think that you have done no harm because you post anonymously. Eric Unger is not anonymous. He is not hiding behind a screen name. He is exposed, during, and after his assault, and now branded as an “attention whore” by an instructor at ISU.

Apr 24, 2012 at 2:14 am · @Reply ·

ISUstudent

We all need to learn that the world is not all sunshine and daisy’s. And this isn’t middle school. People have opinions and the right to express them. We don’t worry about feeling in college, this is big boy world buck up.

You effete, limp wristed coward. Sitting in your academic tower looking down your nose at everyone. Big talk from a small man. So easy to thrown an assault victim under the bus, just to make yourself feel better. I really didn’t think you could disgust me anymore than you have.

I’ve contacted M. Shane McCreery, the editor of the Vidette, the campus PRIDE group, and the dean of students. Someone will make you accountable for the cruelty you demonstrated here today.

Eric Unger isn’t here to defend himself, but I want him, and any other student you’ve cruelly maligned to know that there are people who do care.

What ridiculous bickering. It’s an opinion blog & people should be able to post their opinions including unpopular ones like they think the victim in this story is lying about his attack being a hate crime. In the same way people can post they think Zimmerman was acting in self defense when he killed Trayyvon or someone can post they don’t believe that Australian guy was guilty of sexual harassment in that other story this week.

All those are just opinions that’s all and shouldn’t require the extreme overreaction of trying to locate the poster and contacting his job to try to create trouble for him. I find that particular tactic is bullying and trying to stop someone from exercising their rights to free speech–no matter if the opinion differs from yours. The story is now public and Mr. Unger cannot be protected from people who believe or disbelieve him. If this was a news story on Yahoo, you’d see in a heartbeat how ugly opinions can get. Anyways, that was just my opinion and hopefully I won’t be hunted down just for saying it.

Apr 24, 2012 at 7:53 am · @Reply ·

Aussie Col

What interesting comments…no matter what Eric did or didn’t do, he didn’t deserve to be beaten for it. No one would. The perpetrators were cowardly. Full stop..damn your obfuscations of race relations and character assassination.

I really find it amazing how easily you defend an person in a position of authority posting nasty comments on a public forum about a gay person who was assaulted.

This story is public–and Eric Unger is in the public eye. But if someone–an instructor at his school–comes here and publicly calls that person an “attention whore” that is beyond the pale. You can gloss over that all you want, mc, but it’s a cruel, and unnecessary thing to do.

If I choose to expose who this instructor is, that is my prerogative. If you don’t like that, and you view it was bullying, that is your prerogative. But ISUstudent is clearly a bully, attacking a person who is not here to defend himself. He deserves to be exposed, and face the same public ridicule he heaped on Eric Unger.

Hmmm…I’m fairly certain there are quite a few more Natives, and Inuit than there are Asians, CBRad.

Apr 24, 2012 at 10:44 am · @Reply ·

mc

I defend anyone’s right to post an opinion, good bad or indifferent, without having to worry about someone who doesn’t like his/her opinion trying to track them down. I find that truly nutty behavior and it’s bullying. When you become a public figure even if it’s because you’re a victim, nasty comments come with the territory. I’m really unconcerned on who the anonymous person is or what they do for a living when they post on here. So yes, find it amazing, but I’m in favor of free speech. There’s a moderator on here if it gets out of hand. But really, you need to agree to disagree and move on because the person who hurt Mr. Unger is the ones who beat him up and not the people posting here.

I’m genuinely surprised at how much time, and effort you’re spending defending a person in a position of authority at ISU to visit a public blog, and call a student, and a victim of assault, an “attention whore”, while demonstrating little concern for the actual victim of the assault.

You can couch your defense of the indefensible in free speech, and “rights” but it does not change the fact that Eric Unger is being victimized twice.

I have chosen to disagree with you. If you can’t accept that, then move along, and post on another topic. But I’m not the least bit interested in hearing your opinion, because your opinion is clear–it’s perfectly alright for people in positions of authority to publicly lambaste a student, and a victim of assault.

Apr 24, 2012 at 11:07 am · @Reply ·

mc

I’ve said it clearly, I agree with the rights of people to give an opinion without fear of being stalked for it. You cannot force anyone to feel concern or sympathy if they don’t feel it. This story has been printed in several locations where all the comments are also not sympathetic. Are you planning to track all those commenters down as well?

You cannot protect someone from comments being made about them. It’s not realistic that everyone feels the same way about a story or a victim. If you print a rape story, you’d see everything from how sad to the victim was asking for it because of what they wore. That’s the reality of a public story and the comments that people have. So again, I defend the rights of free speech no matter what. I believe you have way more stamina on this topic than I have so I’m sure you’ll go on and on again. I still think it’s crazy to go after someone in their personal life because you don’t happen to agree with their opinion.

I’m not sure what you don’t understand about the fact that an instructor at ISU feels it’s his “right” to call an assault victim an “attention whore”.

The only reason you’re defending ISUstudent, and presenting yourself as a protector of free speech is because:

A) Eric Unger described his assailants as black men
B) What I wrote about race relations in America

If Eric Unger hadn’t of described his attackers as black men, you wouldn’t be here. The only reason you’re defending ISUstudent is because he wrote something negative about a person you took issue with.

They also asked him for a description of the perpetrators and he gave them the description that it was a group of black guys. There’s no mention that he gave descriptions as to height, age, the type of clothes they wore or anything else. This is the reason why their race was posted.

You’re not concerned about free speech; you’re not concerned about anyone “right” to post nasty things about people; and you’re certainly not concerned about Eric Unger.

You have a political axe to grind against an assault victim who dared point out the colour of his attackers skin. That is the only dog you have in this fight. And because ISUstudent pilloried a person whom you took issue with, you will wrap yourself in the flag, and act like a freedom fighter for people’s rights. You don’t give two shits for Eric Unger. But you will fight tooth, and nail to defend anyone who ridicules him.

You really are nuts. I have no political axe to grind. The race issue is your obsession not mine and your above comments are pure deflection off topic. I like people of all races including white people, black people, brown people and hope that the group of people who attacked Mr. Unger gets arrested. That comment you highlighted was to point out you need more of a description than just a group of black men in order to accomplish that like saying, the man was black and weighed about 200 pounds with a bald head.

I know you find this amazing, but I truly think it’s crazy to go after someone’s personal life simply because their opinion differs from yours. People have a right to post their opinions without fear on here and I’ll always defend that right. So yes, my concern is about free speech.

Apr 24, 2012 at 11:52 am · @Reply ·

mc

And I don’t care who they are or where they work when they comment on here. People should not be stalked for commenting.

You’ve only presented yourself as a defender of free speech starting today. Oddly enough, after ISUstudent began beating that drum. Yesterday, all your posts were about race.

ISUstudents isn’t some nut off the street.; he’s a person who had a previous relationship with an assault victim, and chose to post anonymously on a gay blog, calling another gay person an “attention whore”. He is an instructor at the school that Eric Unger attends. You cannot compare people who have no association with Eric Unger, and who are not in positions of authority to ISUstudent.

As I’ve written, you’re free to walk away from this post. That you choose to continue posting, and presenting yourself as a protector of free speech, and continually defend a person who made nasty comments about an assault victim demonstrates you have a vested interest in this, other than free speech. For whatever reason you’ve decided to act as ISUstudents advocate. As you continue to do this, I will continue to piont how erroneous this position is.

Apr 24, 2012 at 12:04 pm · @Reply ·

mc

Yesterday I was responding to your posts about your statistics from examiner.com and how it was from a white supremacist group. That’s all that was about– responding to your comments on race. Today I see that you’ve targeted someone simply for having an opinion different than yourself and I think that’s insane. It does not matter who the person is or where they work or what they do for a living or how well they do or do not know the victim. They have a right to their opinion without fear of being stalked.

And Eric Unger has a right to not be harassed on a gay blog by a past acquaintance. A gay blog is the last place a gay victim of assault should be mistreated.

You’re free to get on your soap box, and preach about free speech. But the fact of the matter is someone from Eric Unger’s past came to a gay blog to call him names, and further call into question the authenticity of his allegations. But don’t expect to see your absurd defense go without comment.

And by the way, mc, I know those websites are racist. I knew posting them would get a rise out of you. I will act like a douchebag to get a rise out of someone when I know doing so will further the debate, and the other person will present new, and unique points to the argument. I don’t mind being viewed as a douchebag, if it means people will have a healthy debate, and ideas will be shared. All to often smart people walk away from a debate without presenting a fresh perspective. I do everything I can to rattle people and get them to think, and fight, and defend their ideas. I may be hated for it, but debates I’m involved in are rarely boring.

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