When people get at each others throat, the rich and the poor and the left and the right and so on, and you have a basic breakdown, that becomes very threatening, Dalio told CNBC in an exclusive interview on Squawk Box. For example, Hitler came to power in 1933, which was the depth of the Great Depression, because of the social tension between the factions. So I think it very much is dependent on how the people work this through together and worry about the social elements.

Trotsky wrote that the communists and the national socialists both drew from the same population base - weak, worried, frustrated and desperate people in the lower classes. The whole difference in his view was that those who supported the communists had lost everything, those who supported the national socialists still had a little bit to lose.

If you care for some suggestions on the automation and design of the disposal facilities just let me know. I have been thinking about these technical problems for years. The object of the process is to eliminate any thing so primitive as a camp; reduce the man power requirements and as much as possible, eliminate the opportunity for human error or failure.
Approximately 90% of the systems can be automated such as; side loading, bottom dumping rail cars, automated in route gas dispensing systems, conveyor and furnace systems, crushing and milling systems, and last packaging systems for the final product.
The final product could be used for a great many purposes; every thing from concrete additives, to soil amendments.
Properly designed stack scrubbers could be installed to recover all heavy metals and improve environmental conditions in the vicinity of the processing plant.
I have examined several possible plant locations on past hunting trips that are very well suited to privacy and minimal environmental impact.

Gerald Celente makes some valid observations, but his example is not completely accurate in the case of Germany. The following highly condensed time-line illustrates that it was largely political skulduggery that was largely responsible for Hitler and the Nazi's rise to power and not People who had lost everything.

In the last truly free election in Germany before WWII on November 6, 1932 the Nazis received only 33% of the vote. The Nazis formed a coalition with the Social Democratic Party which gave them a 53% majority and Hitler was named Chancellor on January 30, 1933. As Chancellor, Hitler asked German President Paul von Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and call for a new parliamentary election. The date set for the elections was March 5, 1933.

On February 27, 1933 an arson fire burned the Reichstag, Germany's Parlement building to the ground. It was allegedly started by Marinus van der Lubbe, a communist and unemployed bricklayer. Many historians now believe that the fire was planned and started by the Nazis themselves. This crisis created a huge backlash against the communists and a huge boost in popularity for the Nazis.

Still on March 5, 1933 the Nazis were only able to muster 43.91% of the vote. Hitler alleged that Germany was on the verge of a Communist revolution and was able to form another coalition and pass the Enabling Act on March 30, 1933 which essentially gave Hitler dictatorial powers.

During “The Night of the Long Knives” which actually occurred between June 30 and July 2, 1934, the Nazi regime carried out a series of political murders which further consolidated the Nazi's power. Many believe at that time Germany passed a point of no return

In 1933 and 1944 Germany arguably had the best educated population in the entire world. They were a largely homogeneous, traditional and cautious society. Yet they were able to be led like lambs to slaughter down the path to complete destruction. Obviously economic challenges were a factor but the German economy was in recovery and the populace had plenty to lose.

In the last truly "free" election in Germany before WWII on November 6, 1932 the Nazis received only 33% of the vote. The Nazis formed a coalition with the Social Democratic Party which gave them a 53% majority and Hitler was named Chancellor on January 30, 1933.

I must be one of the few Freepers to remember WWII from start to finish. The more I have read since, the more happier that I am to be able to try to understand what really went on. This is in retrospect and not in the heat of the actual war.

George Orwell became part of the propaganda war within that organization the BBC. Later Orwell conceded that in order to defeat Hitler, the use of lies and other innacuracies was necessary. I would not be the one to judge that here.

I do have the Horst Wessel Lied on Youtube. It is the marching song of the Germans. One grainly film shows Hitler before he attained power, at the salute. From the left of the film, a small boy waves his hands weakly at the Nazis. Then the communist hard men start in. The helmeted German policeman has his head gear knocked awry. Now come the Nazi hard men. What a fist fight!

I hold it that more than half the Germans did not want that war. Most of my countrymen did not want it either. Once it started, there was no turning back.

The civilized English speaking peoples surely will not fall for a any sociopathic dictator. The Constitution prevents that. IMHO.

LOL Don’t be silly, dear. All we’d need is a couple of dozen cruise ships. Send them off in style, since we won’t have to support their sorry behinds anymore & will be saving a fortune in law enforcement & court costs...
I guess they would need accommodations while waiting to depart, though.

Remember that bad pennies have a tendency to come back; unless of course, you mean to use them for submarine/surface warfare practice. And I don’t believe I made any mention of courts or trials in my previous post.

Thank you very much for sharing your perspective. I didn't think that your post was rambling in the least. Complacency is probably the biggest threat facing our country. People simply do not remember the sacrifices that have been made on their behalf and the hardships faced by those who came before them. I hope that you are right that our constitution will protect us from those who throw out our entire system for expediency.

The other night I watched a movie called "Gabriel Over the White House" which was released in 1933. It was funded largely by William Randolph Hearst. The film advocated for an American President becoming a facist dictator to solve our country's problems.

Franklin Roosevelt was given a copy of the script and "He liked it so much that he took time during the hectic first weeks of his presidency to suggest several script rewrites that were incorporated into the film." The film is in the public domain and can be seen in its entirety on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz8sNARc6mw

From Wikipedia, "Following the election of Barack Obama, People magazine film critic Leah Rozen included Gabriel over the White House as one of "five films you should absolutely see before inauguration day."" There are those in this country who would gladly give Obama dictatorial powers.

In your reply to fireman15, you state that a number of the electorate would be willing to see dictatorial powers taken by President Obama. If a certain madness took place with the electorate to allow this power, only the electoral college might stand as a bulwark. Possibly this is why there are certain murmurs to abolish it. Just my opinion here.

I have read "Dreams From My Father" purported to be by Barack Obama. Jack Cashill, in his book "Deconstructing Obama" gives a strong argument that one William Ayres wrote much of it. Be that as it may, the implications of the thoughts of the person written within , send a chill, a cold chill, down my spine.

Up in Canada, some of us will watch with more than passing interest, in the titanic struggle being waged for the soul of the United States in November.

only the electoral college might stand as a bulwark. Possibly this is why there are certain murmurs to abolish it

I have no doubt that that is the real reason why they want it abolished, despite the fact they claim other reasons, such as the president should be elected by 'popular' vote. The liberals always lie. And if they believed they'd be ahead by the popular vote, well, they've got that in the bag as far as brainwashing children in the liberal schools, all the way through college. Of course, they embrace illegals for more votes (through such means as bribery via 'free' health care, welfare, etc.).

Our country will implode within our lifetime and I do believe we are walking down that path now. It's quite awful to watch....and very little any of us can actually do to stop it.

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posted on 09/22/2012 9:16:11 PM PDT
by nicmarlo
(I'll Take the Mormon Over the MORON)

They were a largely homogeneous, traditional and cautious society. Yet they were able to be led like lambs to slaughter down the path to complete destruction.

I think that traditional, cautious mindset has something to do with the fact that the Germans were, if I recall correctly, statistically more likely to trust authority figures than other countries. The U.S. was in second place on that measure (don't remember if it was all countries or just western ones measured). German is our largest ethnic group.

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posted on 09/22/2012 9:17:05 PM PDT
by JediJones
(KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")

So true! I meant if they just stayed here, as usual. (I left out all that we’d save on all the entitlement goodies- my bad) I didn’t mean to necessarily prosecute them for anything (unless they actually did something criminal). If they are unhappy & can’t fit in, we would be doing them- & ourselves, a service by re-locating them someplace where they could pursue their beliefs (or “dreams”, as it were).

If we are ever, God Willing, able to eject the vermin from these shores, I would hope that the same kind of initiative would be exercised to secure our borders (”tighter than a wedge”) at long last. That, imho, is the only real hope we have of ever preventing another terrorist attack here.
There should be only one luxury passage. For those who persist, the second trip should be on a (Is it a C130? The cargo planes used by the military? & maybe air drop them) to some more exotic locale- the Darien Gap, some jungle somewhere, Patagonia, the Kurils, Kamchatka, etc. ;-) The High Adventure Package. And if they return a third time, meh. Jus’ choot ‘em. (3 strikes, yerrr OUT!)

Every time these parasites have lost an election in the last 40 years (not often enough sadly) they have threatened to leave the country, non of them have yet. As for pursuing their dreams elsewhere, they can't pursue the dream of stealing from the productive if all of them are non productive sociopathic parasites. Securing our boarders is only one small step in the much greater challenge of finding, documenting, and arresting the terrorists that have already taken up residence here. As for one first class trip, my opinion is the cargo hold on a FedEx flight to a predetermined destination, after THEY have paid for personnel costs and all other overhead. Second time around; a C-130 is actually a pretty nice aircraft, I would recommend an old DC-3 that's missing a few rivets and definitely no parachute over the drop zone. That precludes the necessity of any third action. I know; I am not a sweetheart of a fellow, but when the wolves keep killing the sheep you just have to kill all of the wolves in order to be a good shepard and solve the problem.

Now, they’ve taken to telling *us* to leave. (I truly thank the Lord that they aren’t within swinging distance. I just see red when I read that)
I imagine there are *plenty* of ordinary citizens who would be only too happy to assist in that endeavor- at least there are in Texas, I know.
Greasin’ the wheels. (Though I’m sure they’d still be kicking & screaming & b*tching about somethin’)
My guess is based on my in-laws taking a military flight to Europe on one of these. (One of my BILs was stationed in Germany & they went to visit them & both ILs were retired; AF & Army) There were long benches instead of seats & a big, open area. lol I really don’t care if we shoot them out of a cannon, as long as they go. Soon.
LOL Don’t look at me. I’m sure some people think I’m a MOB. Sometimes. I will give anybody anything I’ve got (except my dogs), but I’ll be d*mned if they’re going to take it from me. We are on the same page.

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