Following, I heard what sounded like the roar of a huge heavenly audience, shouting, “Hallelujah! The victory, glory, power of our God!

For His judgments are true and correct. He has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her whoring. He has taken vengeance on her who has the blood of His servants on her hands.”

And a 2nd time they said, “Hallelujah! Her smoke ascends upward eternally!”

The 24 elders and the 4 living beings fell down and worshiped God, sitting on the throne, and said, "So be it! Hallelujah!”

A voice went out from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants, you who regard Him, small and great!”

Then I heard what sounded like the roar of a huge audience, like the sound of rushing waters, like loud peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! The Lord, God of heaven’s armies, has started His reign!

“Let's rejoice and be glad! Let'[s give him the glory! For the moment has arrived for the wedding of the Lamb, and His Bride has prepared herself —

fine linen, bright and clean has been given her to wear.” (“Fine linen” represents the righteous deeds of God’s people.)

The angel said to me, “Write: ‘How blessed are those who have been invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb!’” Then he added, “These are God’s very words.”

I fell at his feet to worship him; but he said, “Don’t do that! I’m only a fellow-servant with you and your brothers who posses the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.”

Next I saw heaven opened, and there before me was a white horse. Sitting on it was the one called Faithful and True, and it is in righteousness that He passes judgment and goes to battle.

His eyes were like a flashing flame, and on his head were many royal crowns. And He had a name written which no one knew but Him alone.

He was wearing a robe that had been soaked in blood, and the name by which He is called is, “THE WORD OF GOD.”

The armies of heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and pure, followed Him on white horses.

And out of His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down nations — “He will rule them with an inflexible staff.”It is He who treads the wine-press from which flows the wine of the furious indignation of the Lord, God of heaven’s armies.

And on His robe at His thigh He has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds that fly about in the air, “Come, gather together for the great feast God is providing,

to eat the flesh of rulers, generals, important men, horses and riders and the flesh of all kinds of humans, free and slave, small and great!”

I saw the beast and the rulers of the earth and their armies gathered together to do battle with the rider of the horse and His army.

But the beast was taken captive, and along too the false prophet who, in its presence, had performed miracles which he had used to deceive those who had received the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped his image. The beast and the false prophet were both thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

The rest were killed with the sword that goes out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And after these things I heard a great voice of a great multitude in the heaven, saying, `Alleluia! the salvation, and the glory, and the honour, and the power, [is] to the Lord our God;

2 because true and righteous [are] His judgments, because He did judge the great whore who did corrupt the earth in her whoredom, and He did avenge the blood of His servants at her hand;'

3 and a second time they said, `Alleluia;' and her smoke doth come up -- to the ages of the ages!

4 And fall down did the elders -- the twenty and four -- and the four living creatures, and they did bow before God who is sitting upon the throne, saying, `Amen, Alleluia.'

5 And a voice out of the throne did come forth, saying, `Praise our God, all ye His servants, and those fearing Him, both the small and the great;'

6 and I heard as the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, `Alleluia! because reign did the Lord God -- the Almighty!

7 may we rejoice and exult, and give the glory to Him, because come did the marriage of the Lamb, and his wife did make herself ready;

8 and there was given to her that she may be arrayed with fine linen, pure and shining, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.'

9 And he saith to me, `Write: Happy [are] they who to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb have been called;' and he saith to me, `These [are] the true words of God;'

10 and I fell before his feet, to bow before him, and he saith to me, `See -- not! fellow servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren, those having the testimony of Jesus; bow before God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of the prophecy.'

11 And I saw the heaven having been opened, and lo, a white horse, and he who is sitting upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness doth he judge and war,

12 and his eyes [are] as a flame of fire, and upon his head [are] many diadems -- having a name written that no one hath known, except himself,

13 and he is arrayed with a garment covered with blood, and his name is called, The Word of God.

14 And the armies in the heaven were following him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen -- white and pure;

15 and out of his mouth doth proceed a sharp sword, that with it he may smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, and he doth tread the press of the wine of the wrath and the anger of God the Almighty,

16 and he hath upon the garment and upon his thigh the name written, `King of kings, and Lord of lords.'

17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried, a great voice, saying to all the birds that are flying in mid-heaven, `Come and be gathered together to the supper of the great God,

18 that ye may eat flesh of kings, and flesh of chiefs of thousands, and flesh of strong men, and flesh of horses, and of those sitting on them, and the flesh of all -- freemen and servants -- both small and great.'

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with him who is sitting upon the horse, and with his army;

20 and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast -- the two -- to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him who is sitting on the horse, which [sword] is proceeding out of his mouth, and all the birds were filled out of their flesh.

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How interesting that, in the midst of a mindbending vision, the writer still has time to count twenty four of something. The cannibalistic eating of kings is a nice touch.

Check, you may notice they are birds who eat kings not humans. Muksutov, you missed the rod of iron being spoken of as an inflatable rod which is unusual and could suggest some irreverent comedy. I am puzzled as to how that got there.

How interesting that, in the midst of a mindbending vision, the writer still has time to count twenty four of something. The cannibalistic eating of kings is a nice touch.

Check, you may notice they are birds who eat kings not humans. Muksutov, you missed the rod of iron being spoken of as an inflatable rod which is unusual and could suggest some irreverent comedy. I am puzzled as to how that got there.

You're right! So many dazzling, er, images. We really need a movie of this with subtitles and then a lengthy debriefing and rehab afterwards.

He's definitely better at math than Joseph Smith. Smith couldn't tell one from two (First Visions). This dude goes beyond fingers AND toes.

_________________You have made this ludicrous assertion about Israelite religion in the New World. Produce one shred of non-faith based evidence to prove it. --Philip Jenkins

How interesting that, in the midst of a mindbending vision, the writer still has time to count twenty four of something. The cannibalistic eating of kings is a nice touch.

Check, you may notice they are birds who eat kings not humans. Muksutov, you missed the rod of iron being spoken of as an inflatable rod which is unusual and could suggest some irreverent comedy. I am puzzled as to how that got there.

Just checking to see who is reading ---- should be "inflexible." Just kidding, it was a spellcheck flub and I missed it.

Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven, who had the key to the Abyss and a great chain in his posession.

He grabbed the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan [the Adversary], and chained him up for a 1000 year period.

He tossed him into the Abyss, locked it and sealed it over him; so that he could not deceive the nations any more for a period lasting 1000 years. After that, he has to be released for a little while.

Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them received authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for testifying regarding Jesus and proclaiming the Word of God, also those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands. They came to life and ruled with the Messiah for the 1000 year period

(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years ended). This is the 1st resurrection.

Blessed and holy is anyone who has a part in this 1st resurrection; over him the 2nd death has no control. Quite the contrary, they will be priests of God and the Messiah, and they will rule with Him during the 1000 years.

When the 1000 years end, the Adversary will be set free from his prison

and will go out to deceive the nations across the planet, Gog and Magog, to gather them for the battle. Their number is as countless as the sand on the seashore,

And they came up over the breadth of the Land and surrounded the camp of God’s people and the city He loves. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

The Adversary who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night eternally.

Next I saw a great white throne and the One sitting on it. Earth and heaven vanished from His presence, and no place existed for them.

And I saw the dead, both great and small, standing in front of the throne. Books were opened; and another book was opened, the Book of Life; and the dead were judged from what was recorded in the books, according to their deeds.

The sea gave up the dead in it; and Death and Hell gave up the dead in them; and they were judged, each according to his accomplishments.

Then Death and hell were hurled into the lake of fire. This is the second death — the lake of fire.

Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was hurled into the lake of fire.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain over his hand,

2 and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years,

3 and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; this [is] the first rising again.

6 Happy and holy [is] he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth -- Gog and Magog -- to gather them together to war, of whom the number [is] as the sand of the sea;

9 and they did go up over the breadth of the land, and did surround the camp of the saints, and the beloved city, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;

10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;

12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls -- according to their works;

13 and the sea did give up those dead in it, and the death and the hades did give up the dead in them, and they were judged, each one according to their works;

14 and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this [is] the second death;

15 and if any one was not found written in the scroll of the life, he was cast to the lake of the fire.

Next I observed a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had vanished, and the sea was gone.

Also I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, decending out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride beautifully arrayed for her groom.

I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “See! God’s glory is with mankind, and He will reside with them. They will be His people, and He Himself, God-with-them [Christ], will be their God.

He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will no longer exist death; and there will no longer be any mourning, crying or pain; because the old order is dead.”

Then the One sitting on the throne said, “Observe! I am recreating everything!” Additionally He said, “Take dictation, ‘These words are true and believable!’”

And He said to me, “It is finished! I Am the ‘A’ and the ‘Z,’ the Start and the Finish. To anyone who is thirsty I Myself will provide absolutely free water from the Fountain of Life.

He who wins the victory will receive these things, and I will be His God, and He will be My son.

But as for the cowardly, the untrustworthy, the vile, the murderers, the sexually deviates, those involved with the occult and with drugs, idol-worshipers, and all liars — their destiny is the lake burning with fire and sulfur, the second death.”

One of the 7 angels having the 7 bowls brimming with the 7 last plagues approached me and said, “Come! I will show you the Bride, the Wife of the Lamb.”

He carried me off in the Spirit to the top of a great, high mountain and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, descending down out of heaven from God.

It had the glory of God, so that its brilliance was like that of a priceless jewel, like a brillant diamond.

It had a great, high wall with 12 gates; at the gates were 12 angels; and inscribed on the gates were the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.

There were 3 gates to the east, 3 to the north, 3 to the south and 3 to the west.

The wall of the city was built on 12 foundation-stones, and on these were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The angel speaking with me had a gold measuring-rod with which to measure the city, gates and wall.

The city is laid out as a square, its length equal to its width. With his rod he measured the city at 1,500 miles, with length, width and height the same.

He measured its wall at 216 feet by human standards of measurement, which the angel was applying.

The wall was made of diamond and the city of pure gold resembling crystal.

The foundations of the city wall were decorated with all kinds of precious stones — the first foundation stone was diamond, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald,

the 5th sardonic, the 6th carnelian, the 7th chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the 9th topaz, the 10th chrysoprase, the 11th turquoise and the 12th amethyst.

The 12 gates each a pearl, with each gate made of a single pearl. The city’s main street was pure gold, transparent as glass.

I saw no Temple in the city, for the Lord, God of heaven’s armies, is its Temple, as is the Lamb.

The city has no use for the sun or the moon to shine upon it, because God’s glory provides its light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

The nations will walk by its light, and the rulers of the earth will bring their splendor into it.

Its gates will never close, they remain open all day because night will not exist there.

And the honor and splendor of the nations will be brought into it.

Nothing impure may enter it, nor anyone who does shameful things or lies; the only ones who may enter are those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;

2 and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;

3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God,

4 and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.'

5 And He who is sitting upon the throne said, `Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, `Write, because these words are true and stedfast;'

6 and He said to me, `It hath been done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End; I, to him who is thirsting, will give of the fountain of the water of the life freely;

7 he who is overcoming shall inherit all things, and I will be to him -- a God, and he shall be to me -- the son,

8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part [is] in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

9 And there came unto me one of the seven messengers, who have the seven vials that are full of the seven last plagues, and he spake with me, saying, `Come, I will shew thee the bride of the Lamb -- the wife,'

10 and he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and did shew to me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, coming down out of the heaven from God,

11 having the glory of God, and her light [is] like a stone most precious, as a jasper stone clear as crystal,

12 having also a wall great and high, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written thereon, which are [those] of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel,

13 at the east three gates, at the north three gates, at the south three gates, at the west three gates;

14 and the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he who is speaking with me had a golden reed, that he may measure the city, and its gates, and its wall;

16 and the city lieth square, and the length of it is as great as the breadth; and he did measure the city with the reed -- furlongs twelve thousand; the length, and the breadth, and the height, of it are equal;

17 and he measured its wall, an hundred forty-four cubits, the measure of a man, that is, of the messenger;

18 and the building of its wall was jasper, and the city [is] pure gold -- like to pure glass;

19 and the foundations of the wall of the city with every precious stone have been adorned; the first foundation jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald;

20 the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprasus; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates [are] twelve pearls, each several one of the gates was of one pearl; and the broad-place of the city [is] pure gold -- as transparent glass.

22 And a sanctuary I did not see in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, is its sanctuary, and the Lamb,

23 and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they may shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp of it [is] the Lamb;

24 and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it,

25 and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there;

26 and they shall bring the glory and the honour of the nations into it;

27 and there may not at all enter into it any thing defiling and doing abomination, and a lie, but -- those written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb.

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Hey, the scribes and translators probably did that all the time. That's another reason we can say the Bible was man made. There were probably lots of fallible humans in the process and that's why it's such a mess.

And what difference does the distinction make in your life? What are the implications of inflatable vs inflexible? What does the original text say? Context, please.

_________________You have made this ludicrous assertion about Israelite religion in the New World. Produce one shred of non-faith based evidence to prove it. --Philip Jenkins

Next the angel showed me the river of the water of life, sparkling like crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Between the main Boulevard and the river was the Tree of Life producing 12 kinds of fruit, a different kind monthly; and the leaves of the tree were for healing the nations.

Never again will there be any curses. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and His servants will worship Him.

They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

Night will no longer exist, so they will need neither the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord, God, will shine upon them. And they will reign as rulers eternially.

Then He said to me, “These words are factual and believable: the Lord, God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show His servants the things that must happen soon.”

“Look! I am coming very soon. Blessed is the person who obeys the words of the prophecy written in this book!”

Then I, John, the one listening and observing these things, when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel showing them to me.

But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am only a fellow-servant with you and your brothers, the prophets and the people who obey the words in this book. Worship God!”

Then he said to me, “Don’t seal up the words of the prophecy in this book, because the time of their fulfillment is coming.

“Whoever continues acting wickedly, let him go on acting wickedly. Whoever is filthy, let him go on living in filth. “Also, whoever is righteous, let him go on doing what is righteous. And whoever is holy, let him continue being made holy.”

“Listen!” [says Jesus,] “I am coming soon, and My rewards are Mine to give to each person according to what he deserves.

I am the ‘A’ and the ‘Z,’ the First and the Last, the Start and the Finish.”

How blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and go through the gates into the city!

Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually deviates, murderers, idol-worshipers, and everyone who loves and practices lies.

“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.

The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come!’ Let anyone who hears say, ‘Come!’ And let anyone who is thirsty come — let anyone who wishes, take the water of life free of charge.”

I warn everyone listening to the words of the prophecy in this book that if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues written in this book.

And if anyone deleats the wording in the book of this prophecy, God will remove away his share in the Tree of Life and the holy city, as revealed in this book.

“The One who is testifying to these things says, ‘Yes, I am arriving soon!’” So be it! Come, Lord Jesus!

May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with all!

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, bright as crystal, going forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb:

2 in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, [is] a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree [are] for the service of the nations;

3 and any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him,

4 and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads,

5 and night shall not be there, and they have no need of a lamp and light of a sun, because the Lord God doth give them light, and they shall reign -- to the ages of the ages.

6 And he said to me, `These words [are] stedfast and true, and the Lord God of the holy prophets did send His messenger to shew to His servants the things that it behoveth to come quickly:

7 Lo, I come quickly; happy [is] he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.'

8 And I, John, am he who is seeing these things and hearing, and when I heard and beheld, I fell down to bow before the feet of the messenger who is shewing me these things;

9 and he saith to me, `See -- not; for fellow-servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of those keeping the words of this scroll; before God bow.'

10 And he saith to me, `Thou mayest not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is nigh;

11 he who is unrighteous -- let him be unrighteous still, and he who is filthy -- let him be filthy still, and he who is righteous -- let him be declared righteous still, and he who is sanctified -- let him be sanctified still:

12 And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be;

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega -- the Beginning and End -- the First and the Last.

14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

16 `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!

17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing -- let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting -- let him come; and he who is willing -- let him take the water of life freely.

18 `For I testify to every one hearing the words of the prophecy of this scroll, if any one may add unto these, God shall add to him the plagues that have been written in this scroll,

19 and if any one may take away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the scroll of the life, and out of the holy city, and the things that have been written in this scroll;'

20 he saith -- who is testifying these things -- `Yes, I come quickly!' Amen! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus!

At last! I don't think, though, that LittleNipper truly understands the service he has done for many who might have actually read through all his copying and pasting of the entire Bible. I agree that Dan Barker is probably right when he said that nothing is more likely to turn someone into an atheist than reading the Bible from cover to cover, or at least dispel the delusion that it is the inerrant and infallible word of God.

The Bible is certainly a significant work of literature that has had a profound impact on the world for both good and bad--especially in the Western World. I don't think it is possible to fully understand and appreciate how and why human history played out the way it did without at least some familiarity with the Judeo-Christian Bible and its influences on human civilization. However, there is no better reason to accept it as anything other than the work of fallible human beings than anything else that has ever been written. It contains both history and mythology, both truth and fiction and both sense and nonsense. Insisting that it is absolutely true and inerrant is at least as unreasonable and false as denying that it has any worth at all!

_________________No precept or claim is more deservedly suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.” ― Harlan Ellison

_________________Choyo Chagas is Chairman of the Big Four, the ruler of the planet from "The Bull's Hour" ( Russian: Час Быка), a social science fiction novel written by Soviet author and paleontologist Ivan Yefremov in 1968. Six months after its publication Soviet authorities banned the book and attempted to remove it from libraries and bookshops.

A Lincoln man remained in jail Monday after police say he shot his neighbor twice following an argument over the Bible Friday night.

Jimmy Livingston, 60, shot 30-year-old Andrew Pickering in the shoulder and hip in the incident at an apartment building at 741 Sumner Street, according to an affidavit for Livingston's arrest.

Just before 7:22 p.m., Livingston pulled out his silver and black handgun and threatened Pickering with it, and then Pickering returned to his apartment, police said.

Livingston was still outside Pickering's apartment yelling when he fired into the residence, the affidavit said.

Police said other people were in the apartment but they were unharmed.

According to police, Livingston called police to report the shooting. He was arrested without incident.

Investigators found a silver and black 9mm Smith and Wesson handgun in a empty trashcan in the alley behind the apartment building, the affidavit said.

Medics took Pickering to a nearby hospital where he was treated for non-life threatening injuries.

Livingston was taken to the Lancaster County jail on suspicion of first degree assault, use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony, possession of a firearm by a prohibited person and unlawful discharge of a firearm.

Neither a police spokeswoman nor the affidavit provided details about the argument.

_________________You have made this ludicrous assertion about Israelite religion in the New World. Produce one shred of non-faith based evidence to prove it. --Philip Jenkins

Nipper, I don’t want this thread to end. For the last five years, it’s been a consistent comfort and reliable friend.

Could you start a new verse-by-verse thread on something? How about the Book of Mormon? Or the Lotus Sutra? Or the Church’s “Handbook 1”?

Dear Wonhyo,

I'm a Christian. And I firmly believe that only the Bible was sanctioned and composed by the Triune GODHEAD (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) through GOD's selected chosen. I've have had a feeling (call it a still small voice) to focus on specific books of the Bible more in depth. I love Job and Ecclesiastics. Maybe I can do the "Christmas" story. Thank you for your kind words. It was for people like yourself that I seem to have originally started this undertaking...

_________________Choyo Chagas is Chairman of the Big Four, the ruler of the planet from "The Bull's Hour" ( Russian: Час Быка), a social science fiction novel written by Soviet author and paleontologist Ivan Yefremov in 1968. Six months after its publication Soviet authorities banned the book and attempted to remove it from libraries and bookshops.