As is commonplace when Steve Wozniak gives an interview, the Internet was buzzing Thursday morning with snippets from a chat Woz had with Dutch newspaper De Telegraph. On Apple, Wozniak spoke of the company’s failed first attempt to build a cell phone. Apple collaborated with a well-known Japanese consumer electronics company in 2004, and the partnership yielded a phone. The Apple co-founder said that while the company was happy with the hardware, the project ended up being scrapped because the company “wanted something that could amaze the world.” Despite continued leadership and successful efforts in new areas, Wozniak went on to call Nokia a “brand of the previous generation.” Android, which he compared to the Windows PC platform, would ultimately end up winning the smartphone wars and become the mobile leader. “Android phones have more features,” said Woz, and the ever-increasing variety means there will be something for everyone.

didn’t say i didn’t like her, funny as hell (tip it)…but shes not the best looking lady a billionaire could date…

Anonymous

Who’s the looser if your still making a cartload of cash?

Anonymous

I’m gonna say the one that spells loser looser…

Anonymous

Woz stopped drinking the Kool-Aid!!!

Neoprimal

I agree with mr. W.

But there’s nothing wrong with being the underdog either. Apple enjoys a loyal base of fans that buy into their every release….so here you have a person owning An iMac, a macbook, an iPad, an iPhone and/or iPod Touch and Apple TV – not to mention they source all their media with iTunes which all these products are locked into use.
Then you have the typical, everyone else with no brand loyalty (or very little)….who are buying devices from all over the place. A phone from HTC, a mp3 player from Samsung, a media device from Roku, a laptop from HP and a computer from Acer. There’s nothing wrong with this but the clear winner between these 2 situations is Apple.

Apple may not win the market share war, but they are winning the individual battles ie: selling the most phones, selling the most digital downloads, etc.

I’m not anti-Apple (obviously), I do however have a strong disdain for buying Apple products (the principle of it – I don’t believe in products trying to lock consumers in). I would never buy one, but would gladly accept them as gifts, in other words :) I do have potent respect for how much Apple ‘seems’ to care about their quality control, and I only wish that other computer/technology vendors ‘seemed’ to feel the same way. I still consider Apple products to be ridiculously over priced and they’re still tyrants and a typically deceitful company, like Intel they release maimed early adopter products and follow up with only the most minimal of hardware upgrades (all the while milking their truest of fans as well as other early adopters out of their money) but you can’t help but see that their formula works. An iPad without a camera? C’mon – we all know that’s a tactic to make sure the same people buy the iPad “2”, just like the iPhone with no 3G.

I for one, would DEFINITELY show brand loyalty to any company which displayed to me on some level, customer loyalty….which as of now, is none of them.

Anonymous

You won’t buy any of their products, and dislike them for locking people into one way, yet you’ll gladly take them as gifts…? Sounds like you actually do like their products; you just can afford them…LOL

Neoprimal

You’re missing my point, and are displaying traits of someone who either can’t read properly or understand what you’ve read, so I’ll dumb it down for you.

I never said I disliked Apple products in terms of workmanship or quality, in fact I specifically detail admiring them for it. I said I dislike them based on principle, that everything is locked into iTunes and Apple economy, which I don’t think is right or healthy for consumers.

I won’t buy them for the principle, is the point…which is why I dislike them as items I would buy personally (I mentioned this). But I’ll gladly take and appreciate one given to me because they’re good products. (Which I also mentioned). I can easily find ways around being locked in, but I would never spend my money on them and then be forced to find ways around what/how the products were designed to be used.
There are products out there that are so bad, you’d never want them…even for free, and I’m just saying that’s not how I view Apple products.

My 55″ Samsung LED-LCD TV is to me, well worth my $2000. Not a Macbook Pro with the specs of a typical $900 non-Apple notebook.

I would never buy a Bentley because it’s 300,000+ dollars and I don’t think it’s worth it. There are vehicles with the same ‘specs’ that are 1/4 of that price that are just as comfortable, powerful and fast.
That doesn’t mean I dislike it. If someone offered me a free Bentley or I won it as a prize, I’d take it.

It’s about worth vs. value.

Get it now?

Anonymous

I got it the first time idiot. And what I said was true. You say it’s principle, but in the end you can’t afford it, or somehow justify in your head that you can get something better for less. But deep down, you desire Apple products. You admitted you take one as a gift…so where are your principles in that case? Hypocrite…

If you REALLY based it on principle you wouldn’t buy, or accept ANY of their products…

Anonymous

Well put…i agree with you 100%

smooter

Again, well said/explained…

nefan65 – Dude, YOU’RE the idiot!

You ARE missing the point! The point is – Even if I CAN afford a Bentley I wouldn’t spend $300,000 on it because it just is NOT worth that much! It is a car, sure it is nice and pretty….but so is my HHR and it didn’t cost as much as a replacement hood for a Bentley would!

IF the price is justified, then the product is worth it….and as Neo said, a $900 (actually less I would imagine) notebook sold by everyone else suddenly becomes $2000 because it has an Apple logo on it! Truth is….it isn’t worth that much. It just isn’t! No matter how deluded an Apple fan is, when you remove all the FUD….their products are overpriced!

If you want to pay that, it’s fine….no problem with that. But don’t use the fanboy logic that only the “rich” use Apple products because they are the “best”. Not true…at all…even a little bit!

Dario69

Ah. the old elitist response. They sell these at Walmart now for goodness sake. The cost factor is non-existent. I completely understand where Neoprimal is coming from but I am in the same camp as Ron.

I recently purchased an iPad but will never buy an iPhone. I want my phone to have personality and freedom. I am just too used to that coming from WinMo. Android gives me that with the crashes or lockups that came with WinMo. I like the garden wall concept with the iPad though. But their eco-system leaves a lot to be desired. More app issues on the iPad than I thought. The software prices are also too inflated. I don’t mind spending more for a an app designed for the iPad but some definite gouging is taking place. If competing Android tablets keep their products reasonably priced I can see Apple having issues on that front.

Anonymous

They sell iPad’s and iPhones at Wal Mart not a MacBook Pro or Mac. Apples computers are notoriously overpriced. You can get a real good 17 inch laptop from 1000 to 1500 depending on where you go and what sales you’re lucky enough to find. A Macbook Pro that’s comparable is easily 2000 plus dollars. If I think a product is worth it I’ll pay the extra dollars but paying 500 plus dollars just to have a glowing Apple logo on the lid of my laptop isn’t worth it.

Ron H in Schdy

There’s also the middle ground people like me: I have an iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, AppleTV (1st gen), Apple Airport Extreme base station but I’ll never buy an iPhone. I’ve got a Droid Incredible and will soon be getting a Droid Pro.

smooter

You go Neo!

Well spoken!

http://twitter.com/netposer Rob Baker

I like this comment “…ever-increasing variety means there will be something for everyone”

That’s the key with most phone makers other than Apple.

MyPhoneCaptivates

This guy is just saying the obvious. The second I played with my friends nexus one, I could tell you that Android is the future OS for phones. The iPhone will take its place like in second postion, like Mac in the PC market.

You know its true.

Visual Mofo

No mention of Blackberry lol. Dead.

Panamade

No one ever w i n s… There are always two, no more, no less.

Rickg13

Yeah but Apple is and probably will continue to win the war on profits, which is probably the thing their shareholders are going to care most about

Jsmith5549

Android will easily outsell Apple. Your comparing countless number of devices to Apple’s limited number of phones.

These are ridiculous arguments. Which OS is better is determined by the users themselves.

I still prefer Iphone myself. I like things simple and to the point. I don’t feel the need to customize anything. Just give me something simple and easy to use.

For myself I love itunes simplicity. Android market really needs some work and I hope they address it. Also maybe its just me… But the android keyboard to me is way to cramped. The space bar needs to be larger. I find myself always placing a period between words. Talk to text is nice but if your around other people you can’t use it. I’m also not a fan of a slide out keyboard.

But again this is just me… Get the phone YOU want… Be happy. And let these “so called” experts to debates.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GP2WYAHXS6CRUREISWBGPUSUGE Michael

We /the Android community/ have know this for a while.

Finally glad to see Apple admit.

Anonymous

He no longer works for Apple, so Apple isn’t admitting anything…

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GP2WYAHXS6CRUREISWBGPUSUGE Michael

I’m fully aware of this. But Woz will always be a face for Apple…. it’s there, its embedded, nothing can be done about it.

Anonymous

Actually Woz is an Apple employee and has always been. He has a severely limited role with the company though. That being said, there is one reason Woz “works” for Apple and doesn’t run Apple. He got the correct first name at birth but not the correct last name.

Being an admired genius engineer is far different than being a business leader without a peer.

lolcat

As an android user and a somewhat advanced computer user I cannot believe the complexity and user unfriendliness of android. I have a linux laptop and while I think linux is decent, there is a reason it hasn’t replaced windows. Android is linux (with all the good/bad) on a phone.

The context sensitive menu button has got to be the stupidest thing about android (I hear wp7 has a similar issue with long presses…they better fix that).

Unless Google really makes big leaps in the GUI for android devices I would be really afraid of windows phone 7.

Anonymous

you hit the nail on the head… my bro has an android, a Hero or Instinct. Some of the features were cool…i had fun playing with SWYPE, but the overall experience was lackluster and the UI is stilllll choppy.

http://twitter.com/MattSTKC Matthew H.

I left iPhone for Android and found the same choppy UI. I want my iPhone back…

Anonymous

So, you miss the pages and pages of icons. Guess you miss rearranging them, because that’s all you can do to personalize it. I guess being able to see your wallpaper and have widgets makes for an awful ui. What were they thinking? Swype sure is nice. Guess you miss being tied to one keyboard. Being able to make your phone look the way you want is too much t have to think about. You miss the endless square icons, page after page of them. I understand.

Anonymous

@tim242…I thinks the android format was based on iPhones.. Also wallpaper, folders, etc.. All on the iPhone.

lolcat

@tim 242

You want to see the pages and pages of icons I have on my android smartphone? How about the 3 pages of useless icons I can’t remove (thanks VZW)? That’s really freaking super cool!

Widgets are nice but I don’t use most of them because they have very little real value to me and when my android phone is already choppy as hell, I’m not adding more things that could make this worse!

Swype is freaking awesome though.

I’m not a fanboy, just a consumer and android is really sloppy at this point in time.

Dario69

Yeah, compare the low end Androids to the iPhone. To make it fair you need to compare the iPhone to similar processor/memory configurations. My Captivate is faster than the iPhone. UI is just as fluid as the iPhone and the screen is freaking incredible compared to the retina display. SWYPE? The best input option ever.

Anonymous

i’ve played with the Evo as well…same user experience.

lolcat

I don’t believe you. I have the fascinate and it is choppy as hell. Sometimes pressing the home key from the task manager consists of several seconds of staged loading. (first this set of icons loads->then this set->then widgets YUCKKKK) This is completely unacceptable on a high end smart phone. Perhaps this is samsung/verizons fault but ultimately the blame lies with Google for not controlling their ecosystem.

I bought the fascinate with the sole intention of rooting it and installing a ROM once 2.2 comes out. Would the average consumer do this? No. This is why I would never recommend an android smartphone over an iphone for 80% of people (or maybe wp7 in a few updates).

I will say my friend with the nexus one does not seem to suffer from this choppiness but I still think the android interface is a huge POS.

Anonymous

Hopefully Google will beautify and simplify Android’s future GUI. This will eliminate that feeling of to complex for users. Hopefully.

Donny

Android will only prevail if Apple refuses to go to all carriers. Most people with Android phones are on carriers that don’t have the iphone and came into the store saying they wanted something like the iphone. Once they try it and see that it is smoother and easier to use they would go back. As for myself and people who frequent tech blogs…we prefer stuff we can manipulate and make more difficult, which is Android at the moment.

Anonymous

True,

But Android has gotten momentum now, back then it was the alternative to iPhone if you were not on AT&T or just did not like the iPhone.

http://twitter.com/MattSTKC Matthew H.

does he have nothing better to do but clog the tubes like this?

Anonymous

Ive been saying that for a while. Its Windows vs MAC all over again, now on smart phone devices instead of home computers. And I agree with Woz, Android will dominate the smart phone market.

http://twitter.com/MattSTKC Matthew H.

It is Win v Mac all over again, but there’s different definitions of “Dominating the market”. Android will dominate in sales because it’s offered on more devices just like Windows dominates in sales in the Personal Computer market.

However Apple still has the highest customer satisfaction ratings for both it’s computers and it’s phones. It’s dominating in that respect.

Dario69

Yeah, customer sat really helps that bottom line, just look at T-Mobile and their “glowing” customer sat. No, it all boils down to sales, sales, sales, revenue, revenue, revenue. Customer sat is just excuse for second rate players to make the news when their sales are weak. But Apple’s ace in the hole is their hardware sales. The profit margins from grossly inflated hardware is a force to be reckoned with. Apple will remain on top revenue wise just because of that alone.

http://twitter.com/MattSTKC Matthew H.

Customer Sat influences repeat purchases. Apple is making 30% off of EVERY APP SOLD. I don’t know what their iTunes profit margin is (depends by record label/artist) but the more loyal you are the more you’ll repeat buy, upgrade, and buy related services and products.

Fxrsniper

Highest Customer Satisfaction iphone 4 is rated lower by users than the LG Ally which is a mid level Android phone, thats pretty sad on Apple there

Anonymous

Windows vs MAC? Microsoft competes with a company that makes Media Access Controllers?

Anyway, it is in no way the same.
Microsoft gained their dominance in a market that saw new tech changing on an average of every three years and their competition was a visionless company. This market changes every few months. The PC era you had Microsoft and Apple (again visionless led(?) Apple). With the mobile space you have Apple, Google, Nokia, RIM and Microsoft. You have four big companies battling each other while trying to tame Apple. You have Apple growing (yes others are growing to) and while they are growing they are making huge piles of cash.

Apple is a growing vertically integrated company this time around. In no way shape or form is this anything like before.

Microsoft is talking about buying Adobe because they can’t seem to stop Apple.

There is an 800 pound gorilla in the room and always has been. The problem for that gorilla and everyone else is that there is a T-Rex that runs the household now.

smooter

Wow!

Fanboy much?

hee hee hee

I think if you look at pretty much ALL of the information regarding your “marketshare” comments you will find that in actuality….iOS is NOT growing anymore. The ONLY smartphone OS that has “grown” in “marketshare” in the last two quarters….is Android!

It most certainly is “Windows vs Macintosh” all over again, because it mirrors the price, options, features, and mindset of that era almost exactly. Apple does a good job of making an exceptional product….that eventually runs its course and is then passed up. Everyone else realizes that making $10 off of a million people is much more cost effective than making $1000 off of a thousand people. It is Ok, because they are in the business of making $. If the only thing that matters (and lets be honest, it IS) is making a profit…..Apple has always done it better than anyone else. But truly to their own undoing. When you are the best on the block in design, features, and looks…then your price is irrelevant because everyone that has to have one isn’t concerned with shopping around (this is also why Apple controls the entire sales channel….their product doesn’t even get cheaper if you buy it from somewhere else, thereby reaping the same profit off of each product sold!) but once someone else comes out with a legitimate product at a better price point, competitive options, and comparable aesthetics….you either lower price (because that is the only bargaining chip you have) or get left in the dust.

It is reality, and all things considered….not shocking at all. Choice is what the market wants from all vendors, thereby almost certainly guaranteeing that the vendor with the most choice….will win! Pair that with more pricepoints, and you seal the deal even more. If I can’t afford the Escalade that I want, but a Chevy 2500 with all the bells and whistles is the same but $25k less…I will buy the 2500 in most cases (and GM makes profit either way!) but if the Escalade is the only option and I can’t afford it…I can’t afford it! I go shopping @ Ford etc. etc. etc.

Just sayin’

smooter

Dario69

I couldn’t have said it better. I even tried but this brings the point home perfectly. And most Apple fan boys will continue to stick their head in the sand. Woz see’s history repeating itself and he is better at smelling this anyone else. Even Steve who is blinded by his greatness.

Fxrsniper

Stop Apple you do know what the top 3 OS are right #1 Win 7 #2 Vista #3 iOS, I think they have pretty much got that covered. Also Microsoft bailed Apple out a long time ago to.

RabidCB

The only people that consider the idea that Apple lost the OS war with Microshaft are those people that think market share is the determining factor. Tell you what, go find out who controls the majority of profits in PC sales and get back to me. I’ll give you a hint, it aint Dell or HP. I’ll give you another hint, the company that owns those profits in the PC industry also controls 50% of all profits made from smartphones. Market share is a metric used by fanboys for bragging rights only. Apple could build a cheap beige box if they wanted but SJ has come out and said Apple has no desire to build cheap hardware and leaves that arena to Dell and HP. Apple could purchase Dell or HP 10X over if they wanted.

Anonymous

Vista???!!!!!!!! Next to Millennium Vista was the worst desktop OS to ever be released by M$. Why are you lumping together a desktop OS and a phone OS? That’s like comparing a tank to a Ferrari.

An overpriced, arrogant, and ‘almost there’ visionary but not quite, T-Rex.

Fashosbest

I think Apple is doing what they want. I’m quite sure they have mass prototypes and could release a iPhone with a keyboard or whatever the case but it’s only ONE iPhone against tons of Androids, not taking anything away from them but of course they will lead and have more choices for users. Apple seems content with their one iPhone. I mean they stuck with AT&T for this long, much more money could be made on top of all the money now if they just went to more carriers in the US. We all know that, Apple is either waiting for the right time or just happy with their position period

Anonymous

iphone is 4 devices, not 1. By this time next year, it could be 8 devices.

http://twitter.com/MattSTKC Matthew H.

Different GBs doesn’t mean it’s a different device. It’s the same phone and is counted as one – The iPhone 4. The iPhone 3GS is counted as one phone too (of course only the 8gb is still sold but whatever). So 2 devices. Get it right

Anonymous

I am not referring to GBs. I am referring to iphone, iphone 3G, iphone 3GS, iphone 4. They are all counted in their market share.

Abagel84

I don’t really think this is news, but I guess it could be to some. Android is undoubtedly the future. If you don’t think so now, you will soon. Carrier exclusivity is only part the reason. With the release of 2.2, and the expanding data networks of other prividers, many users are looking to Android as their first option- not the alternative.

Anonymous

People are going to Andriod because there are 100 plus devices. At all ranges of pricing. Anytime you have companies giving phones away 2for1 they are going to outsell anything on the market. Apple has made 100% profit on every iPhone ever sold. Andriod handsets are flying out the door and people in some cases are getting one free.

Fxrsniper

But also you got to understand Market Share goes by how many devices are sold regardless if you get BOGO the Carrier still had to purchase that phone from the manufacture.

Anonymous

Right, but the carriers are going to keep paying full price for the phones if they keep selling. They are after that 2 year contract. If AT&T gave away an iPhone with everyone they sold sales would double. And AT&T would still pump $400 per phone subsidy into apples pocket.

Once ‘most’ people play with a stocked Android, going to an iPhone will be restricting.

Bigger pool=More access

Dex

When you finally realized that your grandma or your mom is using the same iPhone as you are, you’d probably want to get a different looking iPhone just so that you can remain ‘cool’. With android and wp7 the variation on the phone means that individual can be different.

With the iPhone, you’d be using the same phone your mom or your grandma uses or how someone you really despise uses (remember how the razr was once ‘cool’ until everyone has one? I never had on since I hated the moto ui but I admit that once upon a time I was tempted).

I am currently using an iPhone but I am looking forward to going to palm web os 2.0 or wp7. I have tried using an android phone for a bit but the ui is just too unpolished for my taste. I did like the notification system however.

Anonymous

Different by running the same OS on a different piece of hardware? Probably not the customer Apple is worried about. Different is what you create or do with something. Different isn’t a look. I have been to a lot of places that serve ice cream but once my wife took me to a place in Arizona called Frost I realized that even ice cream can be done amazing.

No, “different” as in the basic human desire to differentiate ourselves from one another.

The iPhone is comparable to everyone being forced to wear the same school uniform.

Blech.

Weak post on this one…very weak grasp at ‘create’ blah blah.

Anonymous

When has Apple cared about market share exactly? Everyone (including myself) has clearly stated that Android will be the dominate mobile OS. The problem the OEM’s face is that they have to fight each other for share of the Android platform. Apple doesn’t have to fight anyone for share.
If you are going to buy and iOS device there is only one company you can get your product from. Apple keeps 100% of the iOS platform dollars. That is what most people do not understand. Say Apple only ends up with a 10-20% stake of the mobile market when it is all said and done, they will still be more profitable than everyone else combined.

Apple whens because they have no direct competition. It is how it has always been and it will continue to be.

Every year they open more stores.
Every year they sell more of everything.
They grow their business by 28% every Quarter YOY.

That is just the way it is.

The bigger question is this:
What is taking Android so long to become the dominate OS? The system is on over 100 devices already and the are barely neck and neck with a company shipping three devices running iOS. Embarrassing to say the least. Well, unless you factor in that those 100 devices still don’t make a quarter of the profit for the manufacturers and Google as Apple earns from iOS on three devices.

Some people run businesses, other people execute their business to perfection. Surely no matter which side of the fanboy table you are on you know which company(s) is which.

Tee

Dominate OS? Or Dominant? Words matter…

Fxrsniper

Neck in neck Android has been on top since the first of the year, Why is it taking so long for them to be the dominate OS they already are with the simple fact of openness iOS is a locked down outdated pos. What do you mean no competition Android is its competition and Android is winning by Market share.

Joxenford

Android isn’t open, it’s free. There is a huge difference. As soon as I can check out Android source code make changes and it flows back into the build then it will be open. Oh, sure the marketplace is open but does the average consumer care. No.

I agree 100%. Android is simply free, and as one wise man once said, “if it’s free, you are not the consumer, you are the product being sold”.

RabidCB

Let me ask you something. If you sold 1 million phones a made $1 dollar profit, would you consider yourself a leader in that market? If you sold 500,000 devices and made $1B in profit, would you consider your product a success. Android is the former, Apple is the latter. You decide who’s shoes you would rather be in and that will tell you which one has the successful business plan.

Fxrsniper

Blah Blah Blah you made absolutely no sense 1 company selling 15 million iphone 4’s compared to like Moto or HTC selling 3- 6 million of each of there models, you do the math

Android already is dominating. Example: How long would you have to wait between ‘major’ anouncements from Apple?

Now, how often are any updates/announcements related to Android being released? Um, almost every other day in some form.

Regardless, the thing that you are overlooking, and some product manufacturers are still overlooking, is that Android will be ubiqituous in EVERY sort of product. Coffeemakers, home HVAC systems, cars, obviously phones. It’s an ‘open-source’ code that any manufacterer can grab off the shelf and embed it into their products, to insure their product is compatible with every other product manufacturer.

It’s like in the world of business, English is the dominant language. Don’t know English? You’re going to most likely miss out.

Apple’s iOS is not capable of that; you have ONE phone and even if Verizon picks it up, the sales will STILL peak just like on AT&T, and the iphone will introduce incrementally painfully small improvements, and people will get bored. In the meantime, you have all of these pools of people and companies, public and private developing Android in their ecosystem, while iOS continues on in its onetrack mindset. Sure, it has its fiercely loyal customer base, and Apple IS an American company, and I’m happy for that.

But Android will win not by sheer volume, but by 1)Capability, 2)Features, 3)Choices.

FYI – I’d take more capability, features, and choice as a clear winner no matter who is ‘making money’.

The question is: Is Google winning from Android?

The answer is: Yes.

IMHO, Apple is irrelevant to my future world.

Anonymous

No more comments about Apple needing to be on all carriers. The US is basically the only country that Apple isn’t on multiple carriers. We are talking about 140 million customers out of billions (with a b). When Apple hits Verizon, Sprint and Tmobile the only thing is will do is bring out the people running Android phones standing in line to buy an iPhone.

Apple doesn’t need to be the market share leader. They need to be the mind share leader that sells more devices every year. Every time Apple sells an iOS device Apple gets 100% of the money. There is no Android serving company that can say that, not one.

It’s business and the sooner you all realize that the better. Apple has 3% of total mobile sales in the world and yet they make 50% of the total profits. If you make money you can continue to:

1. Open stores
2. Sell your products to NEW customers in those stores
3. Buy components in larger quantity at lower prices.
4. Sell you products cheaper to those customers in those stores.

People love to say that Apple has finally arrived to where they should have been a long time ago but honestly, they are only now getting started, as scary as that is to not only the haters but to the competition as well.

Fxrsniper

Iphone will never be on top again Android is far more superior than iOS will ever be. Apple has locked it down for a reason to control what you do or dont do. Android holds 25% of the market whereas Iphone holds 16%. Android is out selling iphone. In the US there are 15 million iphones on AT&T there are over 20 million Android phones, and iphone has been around since 2007 Android didnt get real popular until November last year. Just example iPhone 4 sold 3 million at release in 22 days Droid X sold 3.5 million in the same time.

RabidCB

If Android is so supperior why is it that the Android handset makers barely make a profit selling it. You want to know who the winner is? Apple controls 50% of all smartphone profits in the world. That my friend is the winner. Everyone is watching market share as if it means anything to the bottom line. Motorola or HTC could give a rats @ss about market share, they are trying to make a profit. They don’t get to share their profits, they compete against each other. Android is a race to the bottom. The three top profit makers in the smartphone business are Apple, Nokia and RIM. Guess what, none of them make an Android phone. Android handset makers are left to split the final 1 billion of the profits. And dont think Android handset makers aren’t noticing the failed business model Google has handed them. Soon they will modify Android to create their own container. Then you will really get the point that Android is only open to manufacturers and carriers, not you.

Market share means nothing if you can’t make a profit selling the crap. Get your head out of your @sses people, you are playing checkers while the big three (Apple, RIM and Nokia) are playing chess.

Fxrsniper

After all that you just said makes you an idiot, First Apple profits aren’t separated its Apples profit as a wholes as for Android It controls 26% of the market Apple or iOS controls 16% world wide so guess who id going to make more money not Apple, RIM WTF are you talking about Rim is almost at the bottom of the food chain. Failed model that Google handed them Are you serious, Maybe you should stick to something else you have no clue about any of this, you must be a iCrap owner.

Totalimmortal363

I have an HTC Aria that I got for free. Hate it. Hate.

It’s not the highest end device, but rooted running 2.2 and overclocked to 806Mhz it holds its own. It’s so unpolished compared to my 3GS. The device varies day to day in how it chooses to work, sometimes email works and sometimes it doesn’t…..and I use f**king Gmail!!!

The Market seriously needs some organization and order. Devs make whatever they want, half of which looks like an 8 years old designed it, and just plop it in the Market. Say what you want, but The App Store has rules for a reason. I can’t remember the last time an app force closed, froze, didn’t open, or otherwise didn’t function on my 3GS.

Fuck Android.

http://twitter.com/BrowncoatRick Browncoat Rick

The problem with your phone is not the operating system but A) the phone’s hardware and B) the phone’s carrier. I had an Aria for about a week before returning it. It is underpowered and crippled by AT&T’s hamstringing of the device. I left AT&T, went to a real carrier and bought a real smartphone powered by Android.

Protip: If your smartphone is free, it is probably worth every penny you paid for it.

Totalimmortal363

My Aria has absolutly no trace of AT&T on it. Also, AT&T is amazing here, my data is fast and I maybe lose one or two calls every six months.

http://twitter.com/BrowncoatRick Browncoat Rick

Lucky you. One day AT&T dropped six of my calls in seven minutes, right before I dropped them like a live grenade.

Fxrsniper

The only Android phone AT&T has thats worth a crap is the Captive and thats AT&T’s fault they try to make iphone look so good when its not. iphone is outdated and limited to what it can do out of the box , unlike Android can do more out of the box than iphone can.

Totalimmortal363

My overclocked Aria benchmarks better than the stock Captivate. Just an FYI….

kyle

REALly? Doubt it. I’d like to see the tests. Say whatever you want about samsung or Touchwiz or whatever, but that Hummingbird processor remains unchallenged in the world of Android phones right now.

I say that as a bitter EVO owner. Snapdragon proc’s don’t hold a candle to hummingbird yet. No way your Aria is even comparable.

Fxrsniper

not likely

Bravisimo

as long as android is offered on the hundreds of devices, at all price points, from all carriers, of course they will dominate the mobile phone market. EXACTLY how windows dominated the PC market: dispensed through all pc manufacturers; you want high end, you got it, you want dirt cheap, you got it.

http://twitter.com/vmiyoshi Silky Jay 5000

I personally carry two – sometimes three Android phones at a time. I have had many over the years. What I like about Android is the different hardware choices, and the flexibility of the platform, I love the widgets, and the customizing desktop feature.But I can feel @Totalimmortal363 pain at times, in a nut shell the shit doesn’t work well at times.I hate all the different flavors the “blur’s,” the Sense’s.” All the carrier forced applications, how long it takes for the carrier, and the manufacture to release updates. How phones are released with out of date software. I also hate fandroidz, the platform is not perfect. To be honest if my carrer ever starts the carry the iphone I would switch one of my Android devices to it. Comparing my experiences of different Android hardware, as well as the different OS’s 2.0, 2.01, 2.1, 2.2, to my iPad, and iPod both running iOS 4.x, at this point I favor iOS. Again I like the flexibility of the Android OS, but at the end of the day I want my devices to work, I want them to respond well to touch, I don’t want to fell forced to “root” my device to try to get rid of the different UI’s, and or carrier bloatware. But with all that being said I believe Steve, it just makes logical sense with more hardware choices, not everyone believes Apple is right with the whole few buttons all touch screen approach, some people just like their keypads.

Anonymous

While I choose android over iOS, apple has polished their opterating system well and it just “works”
Google needs to continue to improve and Polish android if they want to remain and grab top spot.
While apple has (historically) been late with features other smartphones have, they have been adding them.

This will be good…

Hondafan

I personally carry two – sometimes three Android phones at a time. I have had many over the years. What I like about Android is the different hardware choices, and the flexibility of the platform, I love the widgets, and the customizing desktop feature. But I can feel @Totalimmortal363 pain at times, in a nut shell the shit doesn’t work well at times. I hate all the different flavors the “blur’s,” the Sense’s.” All the carrier forced applications, how long it takes for the carrier, and the manufacture to release updates. How phones are released with out of date software. I also hate fandroidz, the platform is not perfect. To be honest if my carrer ever starts the carry the iphone I would switch one of my Android devices to it. Comparing my experiences of different Android hardware, as well as the different OS’s 2.0, 2.01, 2.1, 2.2, to my iPad, and iPod both running iOS 4.x, at this point I favor iOS. Again I like the flexibility of the Android OS, but at the end of the day I want my devices to work, I want them to respond well to touch, I don’t want to fell forced to “root” my device to try to get rid of the different UI’s, and or carrier bloatware. But with all that being said I believe Steve, it just makes logical sense with more hardware choices, not everyone believes Apple is right with the whole few buttons all touch screen approach, some people just like their keypads.