olofmeister got injured yes, but why would fnatic's teamplay get destroyed? they had great teamplay from the get go with dennis, I dont see how his absence for a period would 'destroy' their teamplay. Look at the example of SK, they had fer absent for a while, they changed FNX for felps, and are still playing great.

First of all the teamplay with dennis was never as good as with pronax.
olofmeister was out for 2+ months. fnatic didnt know when he would come back so they had to play like a real team with plessen and then with wenton. They HAD to do new stuff which olofmeister didnt know off as he wasnt praccing with them.
fer was on a hiatus for just one month where they just played online games anyway. Also they never won a tournament afterwards without changing their roster which also took like 7 months.

they didn't won but had like 10 tourneys in a row reaching semifinals. I dont think what you said really justifies their teamplays getting worse as you claim. I could say that when dennis joined they would have terrible teamplay (based on the same argument you made) but no, they played amazing.

back then fnatic, nip, vp, navy, envyus, TSM were the top teams. Now you have them + north, immortals, gambit, faze, SK, cloud9 and liquid who can play at top level. So the scene is more competitive now cause you have more teams on a 'tier 1' level

Thats wrong. Almost none of them are consistent tier 1 teams like these back then in 2015. Nowadays it seems like we have no tier 1 teams at all. Before the major we had SK, FaZe and Astralis as consistent tier 1 teams. Now we have maybe just SK ( and perhabs FaZe in the future)

I think I see where u coming from. So now we dont have much tier 1 teams, and that's why teams like north immortals and gambit can get win, because other teams are worse. That's a fair argument.
In my opinion, teams have not gotten worse, they are on same level or better, but now other teams have also improved, so we have many tier 1 teams

Won with the boost, they were losing 3-13 but olof decided to buy the scout and play like a bitch on the unknown boost and they came back i think 16-14 or something like that , UNDESERVED of course they had to forfeit or else they will get more hate that the fans already had towards them,

Nope admins said they had to replay the map, they forfeited at 1-1
It was a gay pixel walk boost anyway, they should've gotten that much shit for that.
Stealing the map off of a better team with some disgusting bullshit like that is deplorable.

I'm perfectly aware they did, wasn't a game breaking boost whatsoever though.
What Fnatic did was basically exploit a bug in the map, both were against tournament rules though, and the map was to be replayed.
Fnatic didn't want to replay it and forfeited.

LDLC/envyUs and TSM were the teams to challenge fnatic at that time, and they got quite some wins. Although its true, fnatic had a long era of domination, no doubt. For whatever reason they stopped being able to win like before, for me the most reasonable explanation is teams rising to a higher level.

I will say it here so i am somewhat up in the thread
Ldlc never ever beat fnatic. Nv beat them 2 times (1 tier2 and at the major both when old fnatic were as good as over)
The most dominant era was nip's. The most impressive was fnatic's. Simple as that. No other eras. 1 event every 3-4 months is not an era.
Also fnatic and nip simply got worse. Friberg and jw dominated the same players they now get rekt by, not because the scene got better. They are just playing worse. Gtr and f0rest another example. Gtr was always better until 2016 when f0rest became better. F0rest maintained his level while gtr got worse. Niko is worse than he was and still not that easy to spot stat wise because almost every good player of the past is worse. Flusha same story as gtr. You don t become worst in the same team after you carried 4 years because they all became better

Yeah bro I wish I did that. I didn't jump on that train until 2016 with Dennis and that was a very short trip :( I just wish I betted on them before. The only time I won big against them was when C9 beat them at that DH tournament. That was the time when they were having their streak. I lost so fucking much at ESL One Cologne 2015 GF though. The new EnVy had just won a tournament and were looking fire asf so I betted all in on them on grandfinal and rip my dreams.

That may have negatively impacted fnatic, but also it must be noted that other teams improved their level and became a real challenge for fnatic. They were on another for a long time, until teams started to catch up, new lineups, new talents, younger players maturing their play and etc.

i mean there are alot of people who hates fnatic, but still agrees that theyre the best team of all time, because its true. you cant really say SK/LG is the best team of all time since they started their era in late 2015 and fnatic started their era in 2014.

Well I agree, 'era' is too grandiose a term. They were the best team in the world, but they weren't as dominant as either NiP or fnatic, or for as long. The same people who think SK had an era should also be admitting that nV and VG had eras. I don't really know what word to use for that.

i agree but the thing is, all the teams are on a higher level nowadays, we likely won't see a team dominate like that again.
edit: which means they are the most successful team of all times, not the best.

The cheats are at a whole new level :p Back then it was merely simple aimlocks to the head, today you have all-in-one package capable of doing just about anything imaginable. Of course this makes CS.GO higher level, but not the players, they are at a worse level on average.

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Even if it was easier before then it was easier for all teams its not like fnatic played some special cs go making it easier only for them everyone played the same game was as easy for everyone and fnatic rekt them fnatic goat.
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They usually was playing against the same enemys in the finals etc same teams on every tournament. Atm you have sooooo many teams that can make huge upsets. You never know what team will win, I guess every team has improoved but fnatic still playing as they did in 2015.

well my little pony, early on 2014-2015 the scene was really really semi-pro. Now in 2016-2017 the level on competition is really hard, and fnatic not stay at the level, sk has been kept at the same level for about 2 years, fluctuating between the top 1 and 2, in these days fnatic is a fuckin dead team.

tbh the thing which i hate the most nowdays is that you have way too many teams which are/could be considered as the #1 team and yet there's noone who you can really call n1 because everyone is inconsistant as fuck

Yes when flusha toggled on they were unbeatable.
Lets be honest - Flusha was the most suspicious top-player ever in that period. Even other pro-players public said that his clips were very suspicious. They otherwise very seldomly do that.
It is also very funny how these suspicious clips stopped to occur - the same time fnatic stopped dominating.

Saying that we have a more competitive scene now doesn't means fnatic era was bad, it's just the truth. We have alot of new people coming in and doing amazing, and alot of people evolving. People started to get better with more tournaments/scrims. So you think everybody would start playing against the best players of the world, and stay the same, never getting better?

"Seriously how can someone say that they were not the best team of all time? They simply dominated the scene for 20 months with 18 premier tournament wins. Anyone who thinks they are not the best CS:GO team of all time has to be baiting or a newfag."
Easily... this is your opinion and your opinion alone. NiP achieved the same thing during their form of dominance, however is widely speculating among the masses that the competitive scene of CS:GO didn't blossom at that time, which I can agree with outright, yet it's incorrect to remove any accolades NiP achieved at that time.
I'll admit they are one of the greatest to touch CS:GO, but to state "they are the best of all-time" is an opinion, your opinion.
Have a good day.

A couple of things you forgot:
-Literally has never gone out in the group stages of any tournament they attended
-Literally top 4 at almost every top tournament they attended, except for DH Winter 2014(which they forfeit) and DH Cluj, which was their last tournament together