Christopher Donovan: I try to ignore the Southern Poverty Law Center and its pathetic flailing, but this blog item was irresistable in its stupidity.

I had been searching for stories on the Fort Hood killings, scrounging up evidence for my theory that the media has buried this story because of the heavily negative implications for multiracialism. More on that in a second, but here’s the Google news search result for Fort Hood.

Note that by the fourth story down, the talk is of grand marshals for parades. I may be on to something.

Back to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Incredibly, they manage to flip this story into something about “white supremacists” — never minding that “white supremacists” were about as far removed from the Fort Hood killings as possible.

In fact, pro-whites are vindicated by the story, because it shows the internally destructive nature of mixing all manner of racial, ethnic and religious groups into a fighting force.

But to the SPLC, it’s an example of how we need to be on the lookout for “hate” — “hate” being something only whites are capable of, naturally.

And the SPLC has great official backing — an author of the Pentagon report they cite is Togo West, a black former Army secretary.

What a shocker that he’d come to conclusions approved by the SPLC. Where does this absurdity end?

To put the attention back where it belongs, let me state the following. The killings at Fort Hood by a Muslim extremist who somehow managed to become an officer in the U.S. Army is direct proof of:

* the failure of multiracialism generally

* that the military is infected with political correctness to the point of (literal) self-destruction

* the loss of security created by the destruction of white hegemony

* the failure of nerve on the part of whites who know better but fear being called a “racist” for calling attention to an obvious problem

* the ridiculous nature of the American justice system, which extends to a thoroughgoing enemy all the rights and privileges of a Revolutionary-era tavern owner

* the creeping prevalence of the “not guilty” psycho-babble culture, which had commentators wondering if the “stress of war” caused the shooter’s actions (never mind that he never saw combat).

Nidal Hassan, by his actions, repudiated everything the multiracial global elite teaches us: that all religions and cultures can blend into an American ideal, that culture and background don’t matter, that only native or poor persons are sucked into anti-Americanism, that the military is a uniquely cohesive organization made up of all colors and creeds focused on a single goal (and is capable of overcoming differences that the rest of society can’t).

So it’s not surprising that there’s radio silence on his story.

Up next for consideration: when and how did the U.S. military become the last pillar of traditionalism to succumb to anti-white political correctness?

Christopher Donovan is the pen name of an attorney and former journalist. Email him.

Darren: “There is no iron-clad law that states the inevitability of the races merging together, that is fallacy. It is rather the fallacy of modern liberalism as influenced by cultural Marxism that says so.”

“Nothing else forces it except the specific ideology that says so. So just about everything that Adam is saying is total Marxist baloney.”

Marxism is like Freud’s psychoanalysis: one thing is a phallic symbol, some other thing is not, one day economic forces make the worker’s revolution inevitable, the next day economic forces explain the worker’s race-replacement. No coherent justifications are given. It is completely whimsical, and it keeps changing all the time.

‘But…but…Captain, you make good points, why sully it the crude affectations, the vulgar sensationalism?’

Simple: Because the lemmings have thick skulls, and said makes Jews (kikes) experience visible meltdowns (as did David “The Kvetcher” Kelsey recently when arguing with me on another blog – that filth once suggested importing millions of Jews into rural America so that every Mayberry could be transformed into a Postville), and, I enjoy it.

You see, if the filthy, parasitic kikes succumb to their native neuroticism they are more likely to fumble the ball before they can get it into the end zone. Dig? Thought so.

Game plan: Attack, attack, attack. Scorched earth leading up to expulsion. Of course our Big Guns will have to continue to cloak themselves in some semblance of ‘respectability’ (whatever that means), but someone has got to wear the black hat.

I am aware of what Adam is doing. He is creating a massive false dichotomy.

That’s why I went through the trouble of countering his mischaracterizing of China, American Racial History, the Sexual History of the average modern American White Woman, etc.

“As if Al Qaeda would not be satisfied with our leaving Arab lands and pitching the filthy Hebes overboard (yes they would – they want no part of our modern world, and realize we could effect their total extermination if we so wished – so there you have it).”

That is entirely correct.

However, so long as the irritant of a Zionist controlled America exists, Al Qaeda will try to bring this Country down.

To me this is a good thing, in aggregate, as:

1. If Americans can’t stop a tiny minority of Zionists from controlling the Country, they deserve to be taken down a peg or two.

2. While Adam exaggerates the case out of a desire to absolve Jewry of guilt, it is nonetheless undeniable that Prosperity has been a curse to American Whites. What attracts the Non-White Immigrants? What has allowed White American Man the chance to become so soft and effeminate compared to his ancestors? (Note that the richest Whites are the most effeminate.) What gave FDR the money he needed to wage his unjust war of aggression against Germany?

And most importantly, what does the Anti-White System use to buy Loyalty and subsidize the reproduction of its Non-White lackeys?

Islamic Terrorism is useful, both from the standpoint of weakening the US Government, and laying the groudwork for the American people to finally turn on Israel in a manner certain to lead to its destruction.

Why is it that none of you alleged White racialists can so consistently locate and strike at the jugular when pilpuling with a kike as I can? Knock the goddamn lead out. Why? Because I said.

There is, after all, a Aryan counterpart to the psychological aggressivity of the Hebe: Prussian arrogance.

Reginald’s (unsuccessful) attempt at countering the venom of the kike:

“Yes, and it’s because they’re out there trying to crack the nut of bringing down the present order, that the only form of Non-White Immigration into America I support is of the Arab variety.”

Come now, Reginald, you do see (no, of course you don’t) that Adwarf is attempting to angle you towards choosing one prong in his false dichotomy (that is the continuation of the “global technology system” or the continuity of your race) and egging you on to focus on fighting the enemies of Jewry – Al Qaeda – as a threat to the “global technology system” and hence your comfy standard of living. As if Al Qaeda would not be satisfied with our leaving Arab lands and pitching the filthy Hebes overboard (yes they would – they want no part of our modern world, and realize we could effect their total extermination if we so wished – so there you have it).

As stated above, knock the goddamn lead out. And, of course, Adwarf is a filthy little lying kike.

I should’ve said White Masters fathering 3% of the Black Children per year would of itself explain Blacks today having 21% White Ancestry.

Still, when you consider that men have a morally lamentable history of being turned on by women who are completely under their power, this going back at least to the Biblical Patriarchs and their Concubines, I don’t think it would’ve difficult at all for White Male Masters to manage that rate.

“So we could suggest with perhaps equal plausibility that almost half the slaves in 1865 were mulattoes, and the other half pure African negroes, and come out with about the same figure in time for segregation to abruptly stop such mixing, according to your scenario.”

That isn’t plausible. The chances that all the Antebellum Race Mixing would occur right before a specific date is miniscule.

And more direct evidence can be found in the fact that Anti-Miscegenation Laws were passed in many slave states well before 1865, with the express purpose of these laws being to protect Female Slaves from being raped by their Masters.

If I remember correctly, there was material on this in a book called ‘The Politically Incorrect Guide to History’.

“There have been many more interracial couplings than spawn from such unions, fact which should give you pause. I suspect that most white women these days, probably 90% or more, if asked, would claim that they would not categorically rule out having sex with a negro, or even marrying one under certain circumstances.”

If 90% of White Women would say that, then White Women are exceptional liars.

The percent of white females in this sample who report any black sex partner, by hair color…

Black 8.2%
Brown 5.0%
Blond 3.9%
Red 3.9%

“Also, I don’t have any statistics on it (perhaps you do), but I suspect that the percentage of white women that already HAVE copulated with a negro is quite large, much more than have had bastards with them, and much MUCH more than the 3% figure that was quoted earlier for white women who marry negroes.”

With Redheads and Blondes, the number reporting ever having sex with Negros is barely more than the overall rate of White Females who marry Negros.

Only with Black Haired White Women (with that category excluding Brown Haired White Women) is there a large difference, and even there it’s nothing like the degree of discrepancy you thought there would be.

““Re: the recent technologization of China, it’s my understanding that China is quite technologically backwards outside of the major cities. It’s essentially still a third world country for most of the people.”

I find that hard to believe given that the Human Development Index ranks China as being on the cusp of the Developed World.

“Such amenities as flush toilets and automobiles are by no means within everyone’s reach.”

Yeah, but even in the highly prosperous Cities, they haven’t started bowing before the Idol of Non-Chinese Immigration. Not even in print do the most eccentric of the Chinese Elite promote such a thing..

“But studies show that the ‘pure blooded’ Han are the result of several thousand years of race mixing, as the main body of the Han assimilated minorities into themselves. They are pure blooded in the sense that they have already attained the panmixia that American whites and negroes are just beginning. If negro/white mixing were to proceed to panmixia, would you call the resulting race ‘pure blooded’?”

My point was more that they are just as pure blooded now as they were in 1900, in spite of going through a remarkable amount of technological progress.

My statement was relative in nature, and the origins of the Han Race in past Race Mixing isn’t relevant to it.

Also, I just want to note that there’s no comparison between the Race Mixing that produced the Han, and the Race Mixing that would produce a complete hybrid of American Whites and Blacks.

When a Race Mixes with a very closely related Race, it is mostly just mixing with itself.

It’s like that old joke that if Identical Twins had sex it wouldn’t be Incest, but instead just Masturbation.

French, Germans, and Swiss, and Austrians all overlap one with all the others. Meaning that on a genetic level, a German marrying a Frenchwomen would be performing an action nearly identical on a genetic level than if he had married another German, etc, etc, etc.

And there are all sorts of other overlaps in there as well.

“I can’t give you plans on how to destroy the global technological system,”

Alas.

“although there is good reason to think that such a thing will soon be possible, if it isn’t already.”

Well, I have thought of ways someone could destroy the World Economy, and perhaps that would also have the effect of destroying the world technological system.

“Areas of study likely to produce such knowledge are genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and AI/robotics.”

Good old fashioned Nukes, and the limited democratization of their fabrication, strikes me as having far more promise than those fields.

The key is to use fear to leverage destruction.

You have the understand the idea is to destroy the global technological system, while NOT killing off the entire Human Race.

Anything with the ability to evolve, much less Intelligence, would be far too outside the control of its creator to be worth the risk of using.

The only exception to this would be a form a Highly Simplified Virus where all the members of the Race chosen to father the future of Mankind would have access to a potent antidote.

I could imagine a Pro-White Fascist Government of the future using such a technique the clear Africa of all Human Life.

“The interesting thing is that implementing such a strategy does not require a mass movement. It could be done by a small number of people, or perhaps even one man, properly situated and of sufficient intellect.”

The right kind of Computer Virus could do the trick, as it would only endanger Computers and other forms of Technology, while not threatening the existence of the Human Race.

Preferably it would be introduced using Government Servers, specifically the Government that would have the most leverage over the Internet at the time.

“If a group such as Al-Qaeda were to acquire such knowledge, I doubt they’d hesitate to use it…”

Yes, and it’s because they’re out there trying to crack the nut of bringing down the present order, that the only form of Non-White Immigration into America I support is of the Arab variety. Limited of course, but enough to give future agents of tearing down enough water to swin in that they can avoid FBI hooks.

Adwarf suggests that it is the “global technology system” (as if this system cannot be considered virtually synonymous with the Promethean genius of the White race) which is ultimately wholly responsible the pending disappearance of the White race as it exists genetically today. So then, at least according to him, the first world standard of living we enjoy will eventually mean our doom, that is, unless it collapses or we intentionally disband it. The choice according to his framing: your standard of living or the continued existence of you race. He is counting on you, White man, to accept his framing and to side with your standard of living. To characterize said as a false dichotomy hardly does justice to the level of stupidity and duplicity of Adwarf’s efforts. As, if the “global technology system” will collapse inevitably, as Adwarf avers, then the salvation of the White race is guaranteed – so no choice as outlined above will be necessary by you after all, White man. Or, more probably, given Adwarf’s scenario, as the system begins to groan and shutter under the weight of its nascent collapse, Malthusian conditions will become ever more prevalent, and with that, a reassertion of tribalism by all concerned, including the White race. A fight to the death over finite resources then. And just who would even Adwarf expect to win that competition? Of course Whites. But this need not be unto total extermination, as Adwarf suggests. The racial cohesion forged in the fire of such a competition would be sufficient to motivate Whites to protect their genetic continuity with iron-hard measures, and to appropriate whatever resources they needed for themselves, and to let the Other find his own way at his own level. Our genetic continuity secured, our standard of living preserved, and the parasitic midgets know as Jews expelled and cast into the outer darkness.

Adwarf is not only a filthy lying kike, he is also a moron. You will have to do better than that, you little kike.

How come nitwits who claim they’re finished posting on a topic never mean it? Yeah, I figured you’d be back. You like the abuse, don’t you? You like how I make you look like a fool.

Well, here’s some more fun for you.

Are there plans to propagandize race mixing and elevate their racial minorities above the majority?

That’s clearly not necessary. All that’s necessary is social mixing. For example, the long sojourn of the Jews in Europe has made them much more white than any other Middle Eastern population. Ashkenazi Jews are much closer in genetic distance to American whites compared to the more purely Semitic Palestinians. They are being absorbed.

You’re in over your head, retard. The study you cite doesn’t speak to my point about low levels of genetic contamination from non-white races negatively affecting the strength of whites’ ability to identify with their race. It’s completely irrelevant.

As for the rest of your butthurt mumblings, it doesn’t change the fact that Nazi Germany is the only example of an explicitly white racial state, and even it is questionable. That makes it ABnormal for a white state, just as I said. That it was crushed by other whites demonstrates the lack of racial cohesion that is the historical norm for whites.

Can anyone even imagine, in their wildest dreams, the parallel case of diaspora Jews from all over the world joining together to bomb Israel into rubble, destroy its armies, rape its women, and genocide its people? Impossible! It would never happen.

That is the amount of racial difference between whites and Jews, and the strength of THEIR racial cohesion vs. that of whites.

There is no proof that the Japanese or Israeli Jews will lose their distinctiveness; Adam claims that the “system” will grind them down, but where is the proof?
Where is the evidence? Are there plans in the works to critique their indigenous culture through a systematic invasion of their cultural and political institutions? Are there plans to propagandize race mixing and elevate their racial minorities above the majority? If not, then how can you make such claim? Is what you claim just going to happen magically?

“In any event, I would think it probable the prevalence of all of these various forms of miscegenated ancestry make it more difficult for whites to have any racial cohesion, and that certainly helps explain what we see.”

“We have analyzed genetic data for 326 microsatellite markers that were typed uniformly in a large multiethnic
population-based sample of individuals as part of a study of the genetics of hypertension (Family Blood Pressure
Program). Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (white, African
American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States
and Taiwan. Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed
near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/
ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On
the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within
each race/ethnicity group. Thus, ancient geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/
ethnicity—as opposed to current residence—is the major determinant of genetic structure in the U.S. population.
Implications of this genetic structure for case-control association studies are discussed.”

Okay, back to the kike:

“What would be ABnormal in an historical sense would be any kind of racial state, and especially a WHITE racial state.”

This statement is as meaningful as to state that television is a historical anomaly. Of course there was tribalism and that same phenomenon expanded to the level of the ethny of the nation state. Adwarf is either a moron or an inept liar, which may amount to the same thing. But what do you want from him, he’s just a member of a gang of international midgets evolved for parasitism.

“The Reich that existed for all of 12 years, from 1933 – 1945, comes close and is about the only example of such, even though it was really more a manifestation of German nationalism than a true white racial state.”

It was the manifestation of a racial state of one ethny which makes up part of the White race that had it been victorious in the war would have all but guaranteed the survival of the race. Which is why you react with foam-flecked outrage at the mere mention of it, you little hebe.

14 generations of White Masters fathering 1.5% of their Slave’s children would’ve made the average Black 21% of European Ancestry.

14 generations of Slavery would fit into the relevant Historical Time Period quite easily.

Hmm. Not sure of your math here. If you have 15 mulattoes out of 1000 negroes, that would be 1.5%, and that would put the amount of first generation white genetics at .75% for the 1000 member group ((15/1000)x .5). If next generation that happened again, then we’d have the original .75% plus another .75%, and so on for 14 generations. But that sums to 10.5% by my calculation (14x.75%), not 21%. Now (and perhaps this is what you were thinking), if, starting with 1000 pure negroes, breeding with whites made 15 more of them into mulattoes for each of 14 generations, then you would end up with 210 mulattoes (15 x 14) out of the population of 1000, or 21%. But since each mulatto is only 50% white, the total white genetic contribution would still be only 10.5% for the group. So you would actually need 28 generations, or about 560 years, to get to 21% at the rate of 1.5% each generation. You’d have to double the rate to 3% to reach the level you’re talking about in only 14 generations.

Averages can also be deceptive. If you have ten negroes, 5 of whom are mulattoes and 5 of whom a pure negroes, then these ten are on average 25% white, although none of them are actually 25% white. So we could suggest with perhaps equal plausibility that almost half the slaves in 1865 were mulattoes, and the other half pure African negroes, and come out with about the same figure in time for segregation to abruptly stop such mixing, according to your scenario.

But where is the proof that it stopped? It’s in the same place as proof that the 8.51% white mtDNA contribution is entirely recent, i.e., nowhere.

“These data also show that white women giving birth to negro monstrosities was still about 1/3 as common as white men siring halfbreeds.”

Not in the Pre-Deracialization Period. The study is recent enough that the White Female contribution to the Black Gene Pool may have been from very recent times.

May have been, but maybe not. From what I could see, there was no effort to show when the contribution was made.

Blacks are such a small minority, that though only a small percentage of White Women have engaged in interracial couplings since Loving v. Virginia, their offspring still constitute a very large percentage of the children that have been produced by Negro Men since 1960.

There have been many more interracial couplings than spawn from such unions, fact which should give you pause. I suspect that most white women these days, probably 90% or more, if asked, would claim that they would not categorically rule out having sex with a negro, or even marrying one under certain circumstances. Also, I don’t have any statistics on it (perhaps you do), but I suspect that the percentage of white women that already HAVE copulated with a negro is quite large, much more than have had bastards with them, and much MUCH more than the 3% figure that was quoted earlier for white women who marry negroes. That is not something that bodes well for the persistence of the white race. Such an exponential increase in interracial couplings also tracks very closely with the explosive growth of the technological system since 1900.

Over the extreme long term, you may be correct. But then how do you explain China?

Their society has been technologically modernized to a remarkable degree, and yet the Han Race is as far away from dissolution as it was in 1900.

This is explained largely by a lack of the passage of a sufficient amount of time and the size of the Han population relative to other races among whom they socially mix. Throughout their history they have been absorbing their racial minority populations, and have reached a high degree of genetic uniformity. Think of it like mixing paint. You can mix a few drops of black or white paint into a gallon of yellow paint and you will see no difference in the yellow, while the white or black is thoroughly assimilated. Once the population gets to a certain size, it’s difficult to see the effect of race mixing in it. But it’s still there, only masked.

Re: the recent technologization of China, it’s my understanding that China is quite technologically backwards outside of the major cities. It’s essentially still a third world country for most of the people. Such amenities as flush toilets and automobiles are by no means within everyone’s reach. As the global technological system continues its geometric rate of expansion and sucks the mass of the Chinese people into it, they will be affected more and more.

And in fact, there are many more pure blooded Han now than there were then, and the Han Race is taking over more territory with every passing day.

But studies show that the “pure blooded” Han are the result of several thousand years of race mixing, as the main body of the Han assimilated minorities into themselves. They are pure blooded in the sense that they have already attained the panmixia that American whites and negroes are just beginning. If negro/white mixing were to proceed to panmixia, would you call the resulting race “pure blooded”?

In any event, how do you propose to destroy the global technological system?

I can’t give you plans on how to destroy the global technological system, although there is good reason to think that such a thing will soon be possible, if it isn’t already. Areas of study likely to produce such knowledge are genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and AI/robotics. Fortunately, you don’t have to just take my word for this. Bill Joy, founder and chief scientist of Sun Microsystems, has written an article on some of the possible ways this might be done, and indeed, he seems to regard the eventual acquisition of such knowledge as inevitable. See here for more. The interesting thing is that implementing such a strategy does not require a mass movement. It could be done by a small number of people, or perhaps even one man, properly situated and of sufficient intellect. If a group such as Al-Qaeda were to acquire such knowledge, I doubt they’d hesitate to use it; nor, probably, would Ted Kaczynski have hesitated, if he had had it.

“It’s certainly true that measures can be taken to slow the process down, but nothing can stop it short of complete destruction of the global technological system. This is the only thing that could hope to restore the geographical isolation that is necessary for them to continue to exist, and also keep them separated.”

Over the extreme long term, you may be correct. But then how do you explain China?

Their society has been technologically modernized to a remarkable degree, and yet the Han Race is as far away from dissolution as it was in 1900.

And in fact, there are many more pure blooded Han now than there were then, and the Han Race is taking over more territory with every passing day.

In any event, how do you propose to destroy the global technological system?

“These data also show that white women giving birth to negro monstrosities was still about 1/3 as common as white men siring halfbreeds.”

Not in the Pre-Deracialization Period. The study is recent enough that the White Female contribution to the Black Gene Pool may have been from very recent times.

Blacks are such a small minority, that though only a small percentage of White Women have engaged in interracial couplings since Loving v. Virginia, their offspring still constitute a very large percentage of the children that have been produced by Negro Men since 1960.

Obama is an obvious example of this, and there are many others.

“Those who want to look at things through rose-colored glasses will always be able to find some things that appear to be contra-trend,”

I’m saying there was a longlasting trend against the inflow of Black genes into the White Race, and that it’s only because of a much more recent trend that this has begun to change.

But nonetheless the very fact that one race, no matter how abnormal, could survive Millennia of Social Mixing shows that you are exaggerating things, and creating a false axiom.

It’s certainly true that measures can be taken to slow the process down, but nothing can stop it short of complete destruction of the global technological system. This is the only thing that could hope to restore the geographical isolation that is necessary for them to continue to exist, and also keep them separated.

As for your examples, Jews survived by secluding themselves in ghettos over most of this period, and their religion held them to very strict laws in their interactions with non-Jews. This is something that KM covers in CoC. Nevertheless, in spite of these severe restrictions, they have become much more white than any other Middle Eastern group. See here for some interesting graphs and data on this. They are
now intermediate in genetic distance between American whites and more pure Semitic populations such as the Palestinians. Naturally, since the white race contains so many more individuals than the Jews, it takes longer for their genetic stock to become diluted. But the same process is in operation on either side.

The link you provide about the Y-chromosome data is interesting. It does appear to support your point about a lot of the mixing having been differentially white male/black female, although I can’t read the article itself since I am not a subscriber and am unwilling to pay $34 for the privilege. There were only 93 subjects in the study, however, so it might be good to be a little wary of it. But even if we accept these data, it would appear that 28.46% of these negro males were descended from white men, while 8.51% of them were descended from white women. The autosomal figure of 19.99% just confirms again that US negroes are moving towards whiteness at high speed. Even though in this study only[!] about one in ten negroes was descended from a white woman, it is also very likely that newer studies in coming years will show the European mtDNA content in negroes to have greatly increased, considering now that most negro/white pairings are now between negro males and white women. These data also show that white women giving birth to negro monstrosities was still about 1/3 as common as white men siring halfbreeds. I fail to see how this can cheer you, or cause you to think that segregation was effective (i.e., that “White American Men did an excellent job of defending and holding onto their Women.”) The process takes time, and there were only so many negro males to go around, after all. Remember, they are only a small minority.

Those who want to look at things through rose-colored glasses will always be able to find some things that appear to be contra-trend, but I don’t see how anyone with even the least particle of intellectual honesty can deny the global trend towards race mixing, which is both what we’d expect once the expansion of the technological system has destroyed geographical isolation, and what we in fact see out there in “reality”, a word which I will place in quotes because many people here don’t seem to be on speaking terms with it.

Adam, you will twist anything anyone writes, even your own material, in attempts to avoid having been shown errant. The “modern” immigration problem, technologically based as you would like to claim, is very old. But the US enforced its borders. Or when it couldn’t, it kicked people out. That changed for the most part after Jews took hold of the reins. It wasn’t some faceless technological progression, it was the face of hate that led this charge and changed the laws. It’s that simple. You should also take an introductory course in genetics. While I am aware of the sources for the info you’re repeating here, you really need to be able to reference more than a few sources and gain an understanding of what the statistics mean and what they really are. I take it that numbers are not your strong suit.

“But even if it is accurate, that means that my figure of 2% wasn’t far off. The point is that things are proceeding towards panmixia, and we are already about 1/5 of the way there even according to this study, which confirms that the average negro is almost 20% white by genetics.”

Blacks are 20% there, Whites are not.

According to your figure, Whites are only 5.4% there if the study referenced by Sailer is accurate.

“Maybe you see this as grounds for hope. I don’t. I think it confirms my point. I see the same trend that always has destroyed race, every place on the planet and all throughout history, wherever races mix socially.”

Read the Bible. The Jews often had social mixing with Gentiles, and yet somehow you’re still here!

Also, how did so many of you guys become fathers of the Catholic Church if you were scrupulous in your avoidance of social mixing with Non-Jews even in Post-Biblical Times? It’s hard as brass tacks to convert to a religion unless you know some members in it, and it’s clear that an awful lot of you converted when you consider the correlation Rodney Stark found between a City in the Roman Empire having a Synagogue and it having Church.

Of course, more Races were dissolved due to social mixing than were preserved in spite of it. But nonetheless the very fact that one race, no matter how abnormal, could survive Millennia of Social Mixing shows that you are exaggerating things, and creating a false axiom.

“European genetic contributions were highest (and African lowest) for the Y chromosome (28.46%), followed by the autosomes (19.99%), then the X chromosome (12.11%), and the mtDNA (8.51%). The relative order of admixture fractions in the genomic compartments validates previous studies that suggested sex-biased gene flow with elevated European male and African female contributions. There is a threefold higher European male contribution compared with European females (Y chromosome vs. mtDNA) to the genomes of African American individuals.”

When you consider that in recent times most Race Mixing has involved Black Males and White Females, it becomes clear that until very recent times White American Men did an excellent job of defending and holding onto their Women.

Only the popularity of modern philosophies like Liberalism and Feminism, and the unnatural pathologizing of White racial feelings, has changed that.

“Y chromosome studies could probably shed some light on this, if there are any.”

Yes, the Y Chromosome shows where the preponderance of White Ancestry in Blacks came from.

“If that were true, then I would expect that the negroes with the greatest amount of white admixture would be in the South. Instead, they are in the West, where attitudes toward race mixing are more liberal.”

You are making the major error of forgetting where Negros in the West came from, and that they are as likely to be descended from Slave Ravishing White Male Masters as Blacks in the South are.

What the greater degree of admixture in the West indicates is that in Post-Emancipation times, Race Mixing slowed nearly to a halt in the South.

While at some point, which cannot be determined by the genetic evidence, Race Mixing restarted in the West, adding to the substrate of White Master Blood found in the background of the general Black American population.

“Another problem with your ‘there was no race mixing until recently except in the slave days’ theory is that it doesn’t accord very well with the facts. If the offspring of such unions were considered negroes (which they would have been under the one drop rule), and if there wasn’t much race mixing after the end of slavery until recently (your assumption), then they would have reproduced only with other negroes, who would have tended to be more African than themselves. Assuming they consistently produced offspring only with “pure” blacks, over the course of 150 years (or roughly 7 generations), that would mean that a 1/2 white mulatto of 1860 would have left descendants who today are only (1/2)^7 white, or in other words, .78% white.”

Why on Earth would the Mulattos have only reproduced with pure Africans?

There is no reason to suppose such a thing, and if the average member of Slave Generation Beta had 0.5% White Master Genes, this average figure wouldn’t have been diluted in the average mating between members of Slave Generation Beta.

And if fact, it would’ve been intensified in the average mating between a member of Slave Generation Beta and a White Master.

14 generations of White Masters fathering 1.5% of their Slave’s children would’ve made the average Black 21% of European Ancestry.

14 generations of Slavery would fit into the relevant Historical Time Period quite easily.

There’s a difference between Elites who run things with your best interests in mind, and Elites who betray you.

Perhaps, but when you consider that the establishment of economic relations between races has always and everywhere led to race mixing, it’s not the element that’s of critical importance.

There’s a difference between the Founding Fathers and Leon Trotsky.

There sure is. By importing negroes, the FFs guaranteed their descendants would mix with them! Furthermore, they knew this and did it anyway. If they wanted to keep the country white, doubtless they would have, but their greed outran their sense of ethics. If you read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, it turns out he was perfectly aware of the racial problem for future generations he was creating. They all were aware, and they simply didn’t care … at least, not enough to actually DO anything about it.

Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.
Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827. Feb. 8, 1821, extract of entry for that date

The Works of Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes. Federal Edition. Collected and Edited by Paul Leicester Ford.

What’s happening in the EU is extremely abnormal …

It’s not abnormal at all. The same pattern was found in the Roman Empire, which after 100 AD was beginning to run out of Romans, had a wide variety of non-Roman Emperors. Population transfers were one of their favored techniques. (Thanks a lot for the Jewish Diaspora guys!) And it’s also found right here in America, both when whites were genetically stabbed in the back by the FFs, and currently when they are being stabbed in the back by big business, big churches, and big government.

What would be ABnormal in an historical sense would be any kind of racial state, and especially a WHITE racial state. The Reich that existed for all of 12 years, from 1933 – 1945, comes close and is about the only example of such, even though it was really more a manifestation of German nationalism than a true white racial state. But then, true to form, other whites rose up to crush it. And THAT was normal, in the sense of being the norm for whites. Truly, the example of Nazi Germany is more a proof of the chronic lack of racial cohesion among whites than it is of their ability to join together in racial unity. That is something they have NEVER done as a race.

And don’t say it’s just for economic reasons.

Economics are what drives it. The rest is mere justification. In places where they have no Jews, I’m sure they can give plenty of other reasons for the social mixing that leads inevitably to race mixing.

>We have no way of knowing the true extent of genetic contamination done by mixing with negroes…

Yes we do:

“Among self-identified whites in Shriver’s sample, the average black admixture is only 0.7 percent. That’s the equivalent of having among your 128 great-great-great-great-great-grandparents (who lived around two centuries ago), 127 whites and one black. It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors.”

I haven’t seen this study and Sailer gives no link to it. From the somewhat vague description that is given, it would seem to be of questionable accuracy, if only for the relatively small sample size and low number of self-identified whites included. But even if it is accurate, that means that my figure of 2% wasn’t far off. The point is that things are proceeding towards panmixia, and we are already about 1/5 of the way there even according to this study, which confirms that the average negro is almost 20% white by genetics.

Also from Sailer’s article:

Is mixed race ancestry fairly typical for an American? In two ways, it is. First, more than 50 million whites, according to his analyses, have at least one black ancestor.

So in other words, 50 million whites in America (30% of whites) have at least one negro swinging in their family tree. One out of every three whites you meet or see on the street. Maybe you see this as grounds for hope. I don’t. I think it confirms my point. I see the same trend that always has destroyed race, every place on the planet and all throughout history, wherever races mix socially.

>The fact that negroes are now 20% white by genetics implies that we are one fifth of the way to panmixia, and that the average white is therefore about 2% negro.

No it doesn’t imply that. You are forgetting about the one drop rule, and the genetic evidence that almost all interracial sex until very recently consisted of White Men fathering mulatto bastards on Black Women who were then considered Black.

What genetic evidence? Do you have a link? Y chromosome studies could probably shed some light on this, if there are any.

We went from practically no race mixing per generation, except for a certain inflow of White Male Semen into the Black Race that probably would‘ve been wasted anyway, to low level race mixing.

If that were true, then I would expect that the negroes with the greatest amount of white admixture would be in the South. Instead, they are in the West, where attitudes toward race mixing are more liberal.

The admixture rates vary by region. The African-American populations with the highest average numbers of white ancestors found so far are those in California and Seattle. They average a little over one-quarter European ancestry.

In my opinion, this points to race mixing in modern times, most of it likely negro males producing halfbreed monstrosities with white women.

Another problem with your “there was no race mixing until recently except in the slave days” theory is that it doesn’t accord very well with the facts. If the offspring of such unions were considered negroes (which they would have been under the one drop rule), and if there wasn’t much race mixing after the end of slavery until recently (your assumption), then they would have reproduced only with other negroes, who would have tended to be more African than themselves. Assuming they consistently produced offspring only with “pure” blacks, over the course of 150 years (or roughly 7 generations), that would mean that a 1/2 white mulatto of 1860 would have left descendants who today are only (1/2)^7 white, or in other words, .78% white. Instead we see that the average negro is almost 20% (17-18% according to this study) white, over twenty times as much as expected. This points to a much more recent influx of white genetics.

This study also does not address contamination from race mixing with other non-whites such as Jews, mestizos, injuns, and the other groups I mentioned. (Interestingly, Sailer, who was an adopted child, believes that he is half Jewish himself.) Thus, the extent of this ongoing racial catastrophe is only hinted at. The situation is actually much worse than Sailer makes it sound, in my opinion. In any event, I would think it probable the prevalence of all of these various forms of miscegenated ancestry make it more difficult for whites to have any racial cohesion, and that certainly helps explain what we see.

There’s a difference between Elites who run things with your best interests in mind, and Elites who betray you.

There’s a difference between the Founding Fathers and Leon Trotsky.

What’s happening in the EU is extremely abnormal, and can’t be explained without explaining why the Elites hate their own race and culture with such venom, or at least behave as if they did.

Only the stigmatization of White Racialism by the Jews, and the Elite having an internalized fear based need to avoid at any cost being associated with the Nazis, can explain it.

Just look at the hysteria that greeted James Watson’s reference to group differences in IQ. It ended his career, and it’s the repressed fear of such savage social sanction that makes effeminate European Elites feel there’s nothing that could be done to change their Anti-White course, no matter how clearly it is showing itself as a ride to the depths of Hell.

And don’t say it’s just for economic reasons.

Getting your throat cut by a Muslim isn’t so good for the bottom line, and neither is Terrorist Attacks that only happen because of Anti-White Immigration Policies, and Welfare Sucking Minorities who pay half a drop of piss in taxes compared to how much they take out in services.

The EU Elites would rather die than be thought Racist. Why do you think this is?

Because the Jews pounded Racial Guilt into the very molecules of their being.

That’s why.

In a Country like Russia where the Whites are sceptical of Jewry, and sometimes even outright hostile, things are entirely different.

>We have no way of knowing the true extent of genetic contamination done by mixing with negroes…

Yes we do:

“Among self-identified whites in Shriver’s sample, the average black admixture is only 0.7 percent. That’s the equivalent of having among your 128 great-great-great-great-great-grandparents (who lived around two centuries ago), 127 whites and one black. It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors.”

>The fact that negroes are now 20% white by genetics implies that we are one fifth of the way to panmixia, and that the average white is therefore about 2% negro.

No it doesn’t imply that. You are forgetting about the one drop rule, and the genetic evidence that almost all interracial sex until very recently consisted of White Men fathering mulatto bastards on Black Women who were then considered Black.

>That could well be under the threshold of current genetic science to detect

No. The average admixture of a group can be pinned down quite accurately now.

>In any case, if you are comfortable with the prospect of whites who are “only” about 13% negro by genetics, which will be the final state assuming their share of the population does not further increase, then you are no friend of the white race.

13% is an awful lot, when you’re talking about such a distant and less intelligent racial group. If America becomes too much like Brazil, we’d probably be better off with it wiped off the map for reasons relating to its malign influence on other Countries.

The one drop rule must be preserved, until more permanent solutions can be implemented.

>Plus, there are other sources of genetic contamination: Jews, injuns, dots, Japs, mestizos, etc. Some of these groups were easier than others for American whites to assimilate into their collective genetics. Many ethnic Jews and ethnic injuns already have enough white genetics to easily pass for white. When we take that into account, even at this rather early date, one is tempted to exclaim with Hitler that “for half-negrified, half-Judaized America, there is no hope.”

While true, this doesn’t change the fact that there was almost no contamination of American Whites until very recently.

>I don’t think that’s true at all. Racial mixing doesn’t usually happen all at once. It will often take many generations.

We went from practically no race mixing per generation, except for a certain inflow of White Male Semen into the Black Race that probably would‘ve been wasted anyway, to low level race mixing.

You make it sound like Whites in Europe want to have their Ethnostates overrun by Non-Whites.

This is propagandistic baloney.

Polls always fail to show any meaningful base of support for Non-White immigration into Europe, outside of Non-White communities.

It’s the Elites who are forcing it through, dummy. And in a lot of European States like Iceland, Russia, Portugal, and Ukraine, Non-White Immigration is resisted even by the Government.

It doesn’t matter if the average guy says he likes it or not. So what if it’s being driven by what the elites want? Were you expecting something different to happen? Human societies are run by elites, whether their forms of government claim to be democratic or not. Even ancient Athens, the prototypical democracy, was run by elites. Having elites emerge to run things is part of human “biotechnology”, a fundamental basis of human societies everywhere. Since there aren’t any societies that don’t follow this rule, it would appear to be a form of behavior that is very deeply encoded at a genetic level.

It also doesn’t matter how the mixing happens, what matters is that it ALWAYS eventually happens. Whether it’s by elites demanding it or by popular demand, economic relations between races fosters social mixing, which leads inevitably to genetic mixing. This has been the case all over the globe, throughout recorded history.

“Whether a society has Jews or no Jews, all throughout history and all over the world, when races establish economic relations with each other, this is followed by political relations and social mixing, which is then ALWAYS followed by genetic mixing. This has happened in spite of the strongest social and legal controls.”

Then why are the vast majority of American Whites almost pure-blood White?

To the extent that this is still true, it’s due to a lack of time. If enough time elapses, they won’t be.

Further, because negroes are only a small minority in America, until the mixing with negroes is almost complete, you won’t necessarily be able to tell just by looking. The great Russian writer Pushkin, for example, was 12.5% negro (his great grandfather was an Ethiopian negro), and yet he could pass for white.

The Anti-Race Mixing Laws WORKED in their intended goal of protecting the identity and purity of the White Race.

We have no way of knowing the true extent of genetic contamination done by mixing with negroes, but the fact that the average US negro is 20% white also implies that the average US white is x% negro. What is the value of x? If the mixing is uniform and random, and if we assume the population at the start of mixing is 90% “pure” white and 10% “pure” negro, then in the final state of panmixia, everyone will be 90% white and 10% negro by genetics.

The fact that negroes are now 20% white by genetics implies that we are one fifth of the way to panmixia, and that the average white is therefore about 2% negro. That could well be under the threshold of current genetic science to detect, and could fit your definition of “almost pure blood white”, but I would suggest to you that it is not insignificant and has consequences. In any case, if you are comfortable with the prospect of whites who are “only” about 13% negro by genetics, which will be the final state assuming their share of the population does not further increase, then you are no friend of the white race.

Plus, there are other sources of genetic contamination: Jews, injuns, dots, Japs, mestizos, etc. Some of these groups were easier than others for American whites to assimilate into their collective genetics. Many ethnic Jews and ethnic injuns already have enough white genetics to easily pass for white. When we take that into account, even at this rather early date, one is tempted to exclaim with Hitler that “for half-negrified, half-Judaized America, there is no hope.”

Only very recently, under the influence of Holocaust Fueled racial guilt, have things started to go wrong.

I don’t think that’s true at all. Racial mixing doesn’t usually happen all at once. It will often take many generations. Look at Brazil or Mexico. There are still a few among their elites that look somewhat white. But over time, they will be fewer and fewer.

“Whether a society has Jews or no Jews, all throughout history and all over the world, when races establish economic relations with each other, this is followed by political relations and social mixing, which is then ALWAYS followed by genetic mixing. This has happened in spite of the strongest social and legal controls.”

Then why are the vast majority of American Whites almost pure-blood White?

The Anti-Race Mixing Laws WORKED in their intended goal of protecting the identity and purity of the White Race.

Only very recently, under the influence of Holocaust Fueled racial guilt, have things started to go wrong.

Its really a shame the way Jews are getting caught up in the advances of modern technology and global migrations brought about by the forces of globalization and neo liberalism.

Whether a society has Jews or no Jews, all throughout history and all over the world, when races establish economic relations with each other, this is followed by political relations and social mixing, which is then ALWAYS followed by genetic mixing. This has happened in spite of the strongest social and legal controls. The only way to guarantee the races remain separate is geographical isolation, with no trade. Of course, this is incompatible with the needs of the global technological system, which MUST grow to include all the races and lands of the world. From these two incontrovertible facts, the only possible conclusion is that you can have either the global technological system or a world in which the races will remain separate, not both.

All of this talk about whites defensively setting up a racial homeland for themselves (like Japan! like Israel!) neglects to consider the fact that the system will eventually grind the Jews and Japs down too, even though, for reasons of genetics, history, and culture, it will take longer. But more importantly, whites are not Japs and are not Jews. We’re racists, remember? We believe that race actually matters. Just because Japs or Jews can do something does not automatically mean that whites can do it, any more than the fact that whites can do something means that negroes can do it.

Whites have actually had many racial homelands before, and in every case they seemingly just CANNOT WAIT to screw it up for themselves and start bringing in non-whites. The Founding Fathers did this with importing their negro slaves, just as the business, church, and government interests are now doing the same thing with Mexicans. And as KM says, post WW-II Europe was intentionally divided up into a large number of white ethnostates. But now look at them! They are competing with each other to see which ones can fill themselves up with non-whites the fastest. Racial cohesion just doesn’t seem to be a part of the white genome.

It’s almost funny that the big dream here and on similar sites seems to be to establish a white ethnostate, when whites all over the world are abandoning them in record numbers.

Adam: “it’s economic forces that spur immigration and make immigration continue, not Jews.”

In Adam’s opinion, I should not blame the thug who steals my wallet. Instead, I should blame the economic forces created by financial inequality. Instead of calling the police, I should call for the abolition of inequality.

Personally, instead of Marxist economic forces, I think it makes more sense to invoke natural morality, both against thugs, and against Jews who push for race-replacement.

Adam: “it’s economic forces that spur immigration and make immigration continue, not Jews.”

Economic forces are not everything. The crucial thing is political organization. That is where the Jews interfere.

Peter Brimelow said this about economic forces :

“Although immigration is not beneficial in aggregate to Americans, it is beneficial to people who run factories and farms and things like that. They like it, and so they lobby for it. And, in a common phenomenon in political science, when you have a small organized group that benefits a lot from something, it can overwhelm the disorganized majority that is disadvantaged from it only slightly.”

In fact, the disorganized majority is terribly hurt by immigration. If economic forces are supposed to emerge from groups of people defending their economic interests, then no one can create a stronger economic force than the white lower and middle-class defending not mere economic interests but its very existence against the third-world invasion. Yet there seems to be little resistance to mass immigration. It means the economic forces are not doing their job! This is because of the disorganization, which is largely due to Jewish activism, based on intimidation and censorship.

The economic forces that spur immigration already existed before 1965. They were counterbalanced by the economic forces and the survival instinct that make white people want to keep non-whites out of their countries. Those forces and the white survival instinct still exist today, but have been made ineffective by the anti-white political activism. The obvious solution would be to remove the anti-white political activists from the media, and from the positions of power where they are overrepresented. It is easier to do so than to transform the Mexican economy into a white man’s economy so the Mexicans will stay home. Anyway, who could defend the Jewish overrepresentation in central western institutions?

“That’s right, they didn’t. So it’s important you realize that the main force driving this has nothing whatever to do with Jews. Try to get that through your head.”

Why do I need to “get it” when I clearly state in my words that the very thing you accuse us of not getting is precisely what we believe? Are you that dense?

If you actually believe that the main force driving immigration has nothing to do with Jews, then you’ve already lost this argument. So why do you continue? Because you DON’T actually believe that.

I didn’t say anything about big business. MASSIVE FAIL!

What big business wants is very important on the question of immigration, and you neglected to mention it, true. Eisenhower didn’t overlook it though, and that’s why I raise the issue here. How this equates to “MASSIVE FAIL” (what are you, about 14?) isn’t clear.

Thanks for playing though.

Where did I say this? Again, another straw man.

You were stupid enough to say it right here:

The fact that there is some sort of economic incentive to allow immigration to happen doesn’t mean … that there aren’t other incentives, i.e. demographically disenfranchising the Anglo population of America that would benefit Jews, to allow it to happen.

Hard to believe, isn’t it? What kind of moron would think that demographically disenfranchising Anglos in order to help out the Jews is an incentive for Mexicans to come here? The kind of moron who would then ask, “Where did I say this?”, maybe? Bingo.

… you’re a moronic troll who simply wants to repeat the same argument over and over again despite being responded to on it.

I don’t call childish claims of “Strawman!” and “MASSIVE FAIL” a response.

I will no longer answer you on this particular point. Either give an intelligent rebuttal to my response or be ignored.

It’s a story as old as the internet: The moron intrudes himself into a debate, makes ridiculous claims he can’t back up, is soundly refuted, and so he declares “victory” and storms out.

Its really a shame the way Jews are getting caught up in the advances of modern technology and global migrations brought about by the forces of globalization and neo liberalism.

The poor Jews are simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Massive immigration into Western nations has nothing to do with Jewish support of such immigration. Just as our Christian children being bogged down in a holocaust against Muslims who can’t defend themselves from our superpower military machine has nothing to do with Jews.

The hapless Jew is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he’s not being scapegoated for our immigration woes and problems of diversity then the poor innocent Jew is caught up in a Madoff that places a jew face on Wall Street criminals and the Fed which plunders the American people, causing Americans to lose their homes and the value of their retirement funds which they’ve slaved their entire lives to create.

The Jew doesn’t want immigrants to destroy Western civilization. Jews like civilization too. The Jew doesn’t have to live off of the labor and resources of the West, so don’t blame him if you lost your house because you couldn’t pay the mortage and don’t blame him because he may have gotten a few pennies from the vast bailout for banks called a stimulus package.

Geesh, will you please stop picking on Jews. Pick on blacks for a while, they have political power too you know.

That’s right, they didn’t. So it’s important you realize that the main force driving this has nothing whatever to do with Jews. Try to get that through your head.

Why do I need to “get it” when I clearly state in my words that the very thing you accuse us of not getting is precisely what we believe? Are you that dense?

Except government and big business WEREN’T dead set opposed to it, as my quote above shows. Since you apparently didn’t understand it the first time, I’ll reprint it again here

I didn’t say anything about big business. MASSIVE FAIL!

As for government – the laws were in place at the time restricting immigration but there was the cultural phenomena I mentioned working to overturn it.

Except they DIDN’T enforce the border, even in the 1950s, as my quote above shows.

Border enforcement includes deporting those managed to cross illegally but were caught later. Why are you playing stupid semantic games?

That is like saying if someone breaks the law but isn’t caught immediately, then the law isn’t being enforced. Fail.

An idiot extraordinaire maybe, but at least I’m an idiot who can read, unlike you, dolt.

Right, I can’t read because I refuse to play your stupid semantical games. Why don’t you read what people here, including myself, are saying before creating strawmen out of our arguments? Dolt.

Do you really believe that Paco down in Mexico City goes to all the trouble of walking across deserts in 140 degree heat just to carry out a sinister plan of “demographically disenfranchising the Anglo population of America” in order to “benefit Jews”?

Where did I say this? Again, another straw man.

If so, you’re not a dolt, I take it back because to compare someone at your level of mind-boggling stupidity to dolts would be an insult to dolts everywhere.

That argument is a product of your mind and your hilarious inability to read the very words I said. So its on you, not I.

Another thing: The mere fact that the Jews were able to get the law re-written did not by itself cause immigration. Without economic forces at work, nothing whatever would have changed. That should be obvious. If the immigrants themselves did not consider it to be to their economic advantage, they would not come. Try to let that sink in too, clodpate.

Either you have the cognitive capacity of turnip and as such can’t follow this discussion or you’re a moronic troll who simply wants to repeat the same argument over and over again despite being responded to on it.

I will no longer answer you on this particular point. Either give an intelligent rebuttal to my response or be ignored. Repeating it over and over again is not a valid response.

but the point is that it’s economic forces that spur immigration and make immigration continue, not Jews.

No. You’re missing the point. Nobody here says that Jews created the incentive for businesses to hire cheap non-native labor or that Jews created the incentives for that labor to find economic opportunities.

That’s right, they didn’t. So it’s important you realize that the main force driving this has nothing whatever to do with Jews. Try to get that through your head.

If these economic forces didn’t motivate big churches, big business, and big government to support it, it would stop.

Actually, it is cultural forces that motivate government and churches to do it – government and churches were dead-set opposed to it prior to our cultural infiltration. Government retains power either way, so your argument doesn’t hold water.

Except government and big business WEREN’T dead set opposed to it, as my quote above shows. Since you apparently didn’t understand it the first time, I’ll reprint it again here.

… Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Sen. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, “The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican ‘wetbacks’ (rooted from the watery route taken by the Mexican immigrants across the Rio Grande) to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government.” [Emphasis added.]

A vast amount of this immigration is illegal, which means it would have happened anyway and is unaffected by what the 1965 law says.

Wrong. If the cultural forces that allowed the Hart-Cellar act to pass were not in place, it is likely that our government would more vigorously enforce the border.

Except they DIDN’T enforce the border, even in the 1950s, as my quote above shows. If they had, there would have been no need for Operation Wetback. In fact, deportation measures were also taken during the Depression, and these were made necessary because the border has apparently ALWAYS been porous.

My suggestion would be to keep focusing on the Jews, however, instead of trying to understand these mysterious, impersonal economic forces.

You’re an idiot extraordinaire.

The fact that there is some sort of economic incentive to allow immigration to happen doesn’t mean (1) that it HAS to happen or (2) that there aren’t other incentives, i.e. demographically disenfranchising the Anglo population of America that would benefit Jews, to allow it to happen.

An idiot extraordinaire maybe, but at least I’m an idiot who can read, unlike you, dolt.

Do you really believe that Paco down in Mexico City goes to all the trouble of walking across deserts in 140 degree heat just to carry out a sinister plan of “demographically disenfranchising the Anglo population of America” in order to “benefit Jews”? If so, you’re not a dolt, I take it back because to compare someone at your level of mind-boggling stupidity to dolts would be an insult to dolts everywhere.

Another thing: The mere fact that the Jews were able to get the law re-written did not by itself cause immigration. Without economic forces at work, nothing whatever would have changed. That should be obvious. If the immigrants themselves did not consider it to be to their economic advantage, they would not come. Try to let that sink in too, clodpate. :-)

Adam overlooks the fact that US immigration law was re-written by Jews.

Yes, I completely overlook it. That’s why I stated:

“KM makes a good case in CoC that Jews were behind re-writing US immigration laws in 1965 …” and “… even before the Jews instigated re-writing the immigration laws …”

By 1965 the US was already far ahead of the third world and travel to the US was relatively easy.

This is a good point that I’m glad you’ve mentioned. Even though I covered it earlier, it really can’t be emphasized enough. Modern methods of mass transportation have been an indispensable part of this ecological disaster. The economic forces of modern technological society wouldn’t have been enough on their own. Mass immigration would have been impossible without both of these developments.

India and China already had massive populations in comparison the US or Europe.

Yes, I also mentioned that.

And most of them WALK into the US, just like the old days.

Not exactly. A large number come across smuggled in cars and trucks, and of those that do cross over the border by walking, they soon disperse into other parts of the white heartland via cars and trucks, mostly.

but the point is that it’s economic forces that spur immigration and make immigration continue, not Jews.

No. You’re missing the point. Nobody here says that Jews created the incentive for businesses to hire cheap non-native labor or that Jews created the incentives for that labor to find economic opportunities. I think we are pretty consistent on saying that it was the Jews who fought to destroy nativism and the immigration laws that largely kept immigration from being a demographically destructive phenomena.

Please do not try to create strawmen.

If these economic forces didn’t motivate big churches, big business, and big government to support it, it would stop.

Actually, it is cultural forces that motivate government and churches to do it – government and churches were dead-set opposed to it prior to our cultural infiltration. Government retains power either way, so your argument doesn’t hold water.

A vast amount of this immigration is illegal, which means it would have happened anyway and is unaffected by what the 1965 law says.

Wrong. If the cultural forces that allowed the Hart-Cellar act to pass were not in place, it is likely that our government would more vigorously enforce the border.

My suggestion would be to keep focusing on the Jews, however, instead of trying to understand these mysterious, impersonal economic forces.

You’re an idiot extraordinaire.

The fact that there is some sort of economic incentive to allow immigration to happen doesn’t mean (1) that it HAS to happen or (2) that there aren’t other incentives, i.e. demographically disenfranchising the Anglo population of America that would benefit Jews, to allow it to happen.

There is an opportunity here if you think outside the box. The collapse of the traditional US military structure and its replacement by an armed third world proletariat and mercenaries, and directed by the Judeo-Korps/Kommissariat, gives white Americans a chance to develop their own parallel military or para-military structure. Disaffected white officers and personnel from the old military could be used to help birth a new white fighting corps.

Adam overlooks the fact that US immigration law was re-written by Jews. If the pre-1965 laws were still in place without bolshevik rule, the US would not be overrun with non-whites. By 1965 the US was already far ahead of the third world and travel to the US was relatively easy. India and China already had massive populations in comparison the US or Europe. Yes, those mythical Jews had nothing to do with what’s happened. Move along now, there’s nothing to see here but out of control technology.

On a side note, one is at best ignorant to believe govt. claims that illegal immigration from Mexico has been less than a 1 million per year at any time over the last 25 years. The US govt. claims there could be as many as 12 million illegal aliens of Mexican descent in the US. If one looks at the population of L.A. County with Los Angeles, Bell, Huntington Park, all the satellite cities that are buried with illegals, you realize that there are at least 10 million illegals via Mexico in that county alone. And most of them WALK into the US, just like the old days. Before the fantastical days of the Jetsons that Adam says are upon us, responsible for everything.

Nidal Malik Hasan is 40 years old. He didn’t have a wife or any children.
He’d served in the US army for over 20 years.

Nidal Malik Hasan didn’t do what he did as a result of multiculturalism or some kind of baseless simmering hatred for the west, he did it because he was betrayed. He was betrayed by the nation he served because he did HIS part but his nation didn’t pay him his dues as a man.

Everyone’s spinning obfuscations of Islam around poor Malik, but Islam was the only entity in Maliks life that told him what was wrong and who was to blame. And America is wrong and in Maliks case was to blame and held a dept that he needed to collect.
Everyone is sniffing up the wrong tree when it comes to Hasan.

I believe your judgment is horribly clouded by racism and hatred for anyone and anything non-white. Just like the like the SPLCs hatred for everything white.
Not everything is about race and culture.

If not for Jews and their marxism and socialism we wouldn’t have welfare programs funded by White people on behalf of every non White on Earth.

The modern welfare state was a creation of Otto von Bismarck, not Jews. It is an aspect of the growth of technological society that would have occurred anyway, since it would be inefficient for such a society not to properly maintain its human equipment. In fact, Western nations such as Sweden, which has few very Jews, led the way.

Please don’t argue that Jews are not behind immigration and then try to make it sound like its a good thing for us.

KM makes a good case in CoC that Jews were behind re-writing US immigration laws in 1965, but the point is that it’s economic forces that spur immigration and make immigration continue, not Jews. If these economic forces didn’t motivate big churches, big business, and big government to support it, it would stop. A vast amount of this immigration is illegal, which means it would have happened anyway and is unaffected by what the 1965 law says.

Also, a balanced view would note that even before the Jews instigated re-writing the immigration laws, the economic pressures were still there in the background. We must observe that large numbers of Mexicans were allowed to invade the country in the 1950s, and they had the support of white institutions.

… Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Sen. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, “The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican ‘wetbacks’ (rooted from the watery route taken by the Mexican immigrants across the Rio Grande) to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government.” [Emphasis added.]

Imagine that! More than a million illegal immigrants a year, even back then! Given that the populations of both the US and Mexico were quite a bit smaller in the 1950s, that would mean that the rate back then was even higher than it is today.

My suggestion would be to keep focusing on the Jews, however, instead of trying to understand these mysterious, impersonal economic forces. It just can’t be that these population transfers are built into the economic aspect of the technological system, because we all know that technology is GOOD, right? Yes, there is no downside to the global technological system. It is just perfect and nothing to worry about. So don’t let fifty (or a hundred and fifty) or so years of failure get you down. That couldn’t possibly indicate that you’ve misapprehended the problem. Just keep doing the same thing over and over and one day you’ll get a different result! :-)

Prof. MacDonald argues that it is entirely natural for Jews to promote open immigration. It brings about the “diversity” Jews find comforting and it keeps America open to persecuted co-religionists throughout the world. He says Jews are the only group that has always fought for mass immigration; a few European ethnic organizations have made sporadic efforts to make it easier for their own people to come, but only Jews have consistently promoted open borders for all comers. Moreover, whatever disagreements they may have had on other issues, Jews of every political persuasion have favored high immigration.

This, too, goes back many years, and Prof. MacDonald traces in considerable detail the sustained Jewish pro-immigration effort. Israel Zangwill, author of the eponymous 1908 play The Melting Pot, was of the view that “there is only one way to World Peace, and that is the absolute abolition of passports, visas, frontiers, custom houses … ” He was nevertheless an ardent Zionist and disapproved of Jewish intermarriage.

Although the Statue of Liberty, properly known as Liberty Enlightening the World, was a gift to the United States from France as a tribute to American political traditions, the sonnet by the Jewish Emma Lazarus helped change it into a symbol of immigration. Affixed to the base of the statue several decades after its construction, the poem welcomes to America “huddled masses yearning to breathe free / The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.”

Prof. MacDonald has discovered that implausible arguments about diversity being a quintessentially American strength have been made by Jews for a long time. He reports that in 1948 the American Jewish Committee was urging Congress to believe that “Americanism is the spirit behind the welcome that America has traditionally extended to people of all races, all religions, all nationalities.” Of course, there had never been such a tradition. In 1952, the American Jewish Congress argued in hearings on immigration that “our national experience has confirmed beyond a doubt that our very strength lies in the diversity of our peoples.” This, too, was at a time when U.S. immigration law was still explicitly designed to maintain a white majority.

It is often said that when the old immigration policy was scrapped in 1965, scarcely anyone knew, and no one predicted, that the new law would change the racial makeup of the country. Prof. MacDonald disputes this, arguing that this had been the objective of Jewish groups from the beginning.

Prof. MacDonald finds that Jews have been the foremost advocates of immigration in England, France, and Canada, and that Jewish groups were the most vocal opponents of independence for Quebec. Australian Jews led the effort to dismantle the “white Australia” policy, one reason for which was cited in an editorial in the Australian Jewish Democrat: “The strengthening of multicultural or diverse Australia is also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would feel more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian.” Like Earl Raab writing about the United States, this Australian Jew is prepared to sacrifice the traditional culture, people, and identity of Australia to specifically Jewish interests.

a) If not for Jews and their hundred year effort to change our immigration laws so they wouldn’t stand out as a minority and could get away with what they are doing to us today – all these immigrants would not be allowed into our country any more than Japan allows them in. Japan has money and jobs too.

If not for Jews and their marxism and socialism we wouldn’t have welfare programs funded by White people on behalf of every non White on Earth. Please notice the difference between Jewish policies for the United States and the rest of the West regarding diversity and what they are doing to Christians and Muslims in their podunk hellhole in Palestine.

Google the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society, made up of every Jew org in this nation – doing everything they can to get immigrants into America.

b) Crowded or not crowded is beside the point. Its not right for Jews to determine immigration to Western nations where they make up about 2% of the population. They should be held accountable for what they have done to destroy us and they should have to pay us reparations and this should be taken up in the international court. Perhaps we can get some of our money back and hang some of them.

c) What business is the White birth rate to Jews? Are you suggesting their immigration aid is because they feel sorry for us and don’t want us to get lonely? The bottom line is Jews are a cancer.

d)Immigration serves the interests of those who feed off of White people. You live on a dirt floor in any third world hellhole and come here and get housing, welfare check, health care, education and civilization then of course you will come here. Obviously you TAKE, you don’t contribute.

Now Jews are joining up with Hispanics to use them against us the same way they used blacks to disrupt our society and make it legitimate for others to steal everything and destroy Western Civilization.

Please don’t argue that Jews are not behind immigration and then try to make it sound like its a good thing for us. WE don’t think its a good thing and what we think is all that matters. We should convert these non Whites to Judaism and send them to Israel since Jews like diversity so much.

Jews are the cause of it and its not good for us in any way. We could have been at the forefront of using robots to supplement the lack of workers instead of the Japanese doing it if not for Jews using all of our resources to benefit themselves and podunk land.

Wish you could come up with a reasonable, factual, serious defense of Jews Adam. Let me see if I can help.

How about: sure Jews are behind the diversifying of the West, but its because they REALLY are humanitarians who just hope, gosh darn it, that we can all just get along. Please don’t blame them if the human heart is worse than they wish to believe it is because they’re such idealists. They really LOVE other people and just want to help.

Its hard to argue against people or hate those who are just trying to do the best they can but make innocent mistakes. At least their intentions are good.

To put it another way, the repeal of ‘Don’t ask- don’t tell’ and the proposed allowing of gay/lesbian people to serve openly is more of a ‘female rights’ issue in that it will allow the huge numbers of lesbians in the U.S. military to serve openly.

The whole issue of allowing gays/lesbians to openly serve has more to do with many of the female members of the U.S. military often being lesbians rather than a bunch of male members being homosexuals.

It is difficult to deny that a large percentage of the females who serve in the U.S. military are obvious lesbians even if they don’t announce it to everyone around them — thus this repeal of ‘Don’t ask – don’t tell’ seems to be more about allowing of lesbians to serve openly rather than seeking to flood the military with a bunch of laughably effeminate gay males.

It was simply that there were not all that many non-whites around before mass immigration. I don’t think it’s accurate to call it hegemony as if there was an ideology being enforced, demographics made it a white world. there was no need for hegemony or supremacy.

Yes, that’s right. Of course, the next question will be, why is the vast majority of the immigration into white countries and only white countries, instead of into non-white ones? To which we can all answer at once, “JEWS!” instead of more mundane, boring reasons like:

a) White countries are where all the money and jobs are, immigrants are given luxurious welfare and numerous other benefits, plus … dats where da white wimmens be at!
b) India, China, and Japan are already too crowded and won’t let them in anyway.
c) White populations worldwide are shrinking, and non-white populations are exploding.
d) Immigration serves the economic interests of churches, business, and government.

Nah, none of that stuff is important. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball here.

It was simply that there were not all that many non-whites around before mass immigration. I don’t think it’s accurate to call it hegemony as if there was an ideology being enforced, demographics made it a white world. there was no need for hegemony or supremacy.

Actually, the more queers who are in the U.S. military, the more dissension there will be and the less cohesive and effective it will be. That is all good for Whites in the coming civil war.

U.S. military faggotry will dampen the will of the good men to fight.

It will be our job to:

1) drive a wedge between the various factions.

2) to incite the wholesome elements who remain inside the military.

3) cause them to turn on their officers.

4) to join to get free training that would be expensive in the civilian sector and then start some kind of White patriot activity so that they can get a discharge not long after their training is completed.

5) to do everything they can to increase the level of tension so that the services spend an enormous amount of time and money dealing with this problem.

6) to create so much tension that some units are not fit to deploy because of it.

“Today’s young White men think it is fine to have don’t ask, don’t tell and they accept homosexuals in the military. (I can’t use the perfectly good English words, gay or queer, and I’m sorry they have lost their original meanings)”

If homosexuals are permitted to serve in the U.S. military as open homosexuals, heterosexual service members should be given the opportunity to receive an immediate discharge under honorable conditions and retain any benefits they would have had and not in any way be indebted to the U.S. military or the U.S. Government. They didn’t sign up for military service with the understanding that they would have to serve with those whose sexual practices they find abhorrent. More importantly, they probably even feel that they do not want to protect a country that has adopted such a policy. And they’re right—they shouldn’t defend it.

Heterosexual U.S. service members of European ancestry are realizing that the defense of America is no longer in their interest. It isn’t their country any longer. It has been co-opted by their ethnic and cultural enemies. America isn’t really a “country” at all. It’s geographic landmass containing a hodge-podge of competing interests most of whom are seething with rage 24/7 at the other interests groups. It is in the interest of European-Americans and other ethnic groups to secede and establish their own sovereign nations on North American soil.

Neoboudica also said this:
February 6, 2010 at 10:18 AM

“If we protest in the streets will our children willingly turn their weapons upon us?”
“Senator Leahy wrote a bill that makes the National Guard come under the command of the Northern Command, NorCom or whatever fancy term they have for it. The Posse Comitatus Act is void if the POTUS believes he needs the military to quell acts against individuals or groups.”

That is why White activists must disassociate themselves from all U.S. military personnel and from the entire law enforcement establishment—that means anybody working directly in law enforcement and anybody working anywhere in the judiciary (this may include subcontractors, too) with the exception of sympathetic lawyers. We will someday be in their gun sights and they in ours.

Neoboudica also said this:
February 6, 2010 at 10:18 AM

“Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, movies, tv, video games, music, you name it, they own our kids who have no frame of reference for what America was like before or what it should be like, they know only what things are like today, being told diversity is a good thing and the NEA forcing the teaching of homosexual education in the schools. We have really failed our children and we may pay dearly for it. If we lose the military we’re in big trouble.”

That is why we need to either home school our children, start private schools with eurocentric curricula, or start establishing things like “Saturday School”, so that we can undo the damage that is being done to our children during the week at their public schools.

I don’t even think that the Fort Hood massacre occured because of multiculturalism, although it’s a good side item. It was a result of our maniacal, Zionist-imposed middle eastern policies.

I ate at a cafeteria today, where there were a number of national guardsman “messing”, or whatever. I inquired of the sergeant his opinion of the origins and motivations for the middle east wars. He said something incoherent about Christianity and “Muslims killing.” I asked him and his cohorts if they were aware of the book my Mearsheimer and Walt, and they unanimously informed me that most of the book has been “disproven”. I infer that military folks are being systematically brainwashed in order to fuel motivation for the continuing crisis.

when and how did the U.S. military become the last pillar of traditionalism to succumb to anti-white political correctness?

KM had a brilliant analysis of how the hive took out the old school army officers who were very aware of the Enemy. It shows the evil of the Enemy in destroying a people who permitted them entry into a paradise, a paradise now lost.

The military and the willingness of our young people to serve and support it’s PC and its holocausts should frighten us more than anything else. They have our children’s minds.

Today’s young White men think it is fine to have don’t ask, don’t tell and they accept homosexuals in the military. (I can’t use the perfectly good English words, gay or queer, and I’m sorry they have lost their original meanings)

If we protest in the streets will our children willingly turn their weapons upon us?

Senator Leahy wrote a bill that makes the National Guard come under the command of the Northern Command, NorCom or whatever fancy term they have for it. The Posse Comitatus Act is void if the POTUS believes he needs the military to quell acts against individuals or groups.

Such as the A3P for instance. Or the Christian right which has been added to Homeland Security terrorist watch lists, since anti abortion people have been known to use violence to get what they want. Can you believe it? Christians on Homeland Security terrorist watch lists?! Jews in charge of course.

Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, movies, tv, video games, music, you name it, they own our kids who have no frame of reference for what America was like before or what it should be like, they know only what things are like today, being told diversity is a good thing and the NEA forcing the teaching of homosexual education in the schools. We have really failed our children and we may pay dearly for it. If we lose the military we’re in big trouble.