I used to believe that the world was heading toward a global spiritual ascension. No longer...

Originally posted by Wanderer112358
I have visited and been a member of many of these "conspiracy" forums for years now. I once believed that the world was moving, slowly but surely,
toward a new higher spiritual reality. I am now very sorry to say that I no longer believe that to be true. Maybe all this "ascension" talk has
been a sick fantasy or a dream. Whenever I now visit these sites, all I see is stupidity, hate, ugliness and anger.

So, I ask myself, is it the people that visit these sites or is this a cross section of society in general? Are these sites just manipulated by
trolls to be the point where little real truth emerges? I don't know really. But, one thing is obvious, it is getting worse and the threads are
getting even darker day to day, not just here, but all of the conspiracy sites.

What are we to make of this madness? Is all of society spiritually descending instead of ascending? Is all hope lost?

Maybe there is a separation taking place. Maybe most of society is descending into chaos, hate and madness, but a much smaller percentage of society
is moving in the opposite direction at the same time. So, what we see is a spiritual separation taking place where a portion of humanity is
descending into "Hell" while a portion is at the same time ascending towards "Heaven". I use these terms as concepts. Not what the Christian
bible believes them to be.

So, in conclusion, the only hope I now see for a better world is for society to divide into two realities, because most of the humans here are just
not ready for such an ascension. Don't believe me? Just take a look at the posts on this one forum. It is beyond sad and disgusting. I no longer
see any possibility or hope of a complete spiritual ascension. The only hope now is for a small few to finish their time here and to return Home.
The rest must return and live this reality again. And again, and again...

It makes me sad to even write this, but it's the truth.

Peace

edit on 20-1-2013 by Wanderer112358 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-1-2013 by Wanderer112358 because: (no reason
given)

You are like many on this site are what people call a unrealistic optimist, you dont have the full picture of what humanity is and thus your world
view stems from a fairytale that has been spun and dangled before you like the proverbial carrot that urges the poor mule forward. You used to believe
there was some grand purpose to the game called life and that there was some epic moment ..maybe dec 21 2012, was going to change that.

Well life isnt about the world but your world. I laugh at people that think there will be some sort of ascension. Ascension? Are you kidding me? The
idiots that run the world like things the way they are and if they cant have it we sure as hell wont get it. The so called enlightened "light
workers" are too busy singing ancing and lighting scented candles to stop the maniacs and the rest of the sheep are too stupid to see they are being
used and then discarded when they are no longer needed. Those who want to make a difference and actually have the balls to stand up get shot down, the
rest that want to make a difference see that and say well look at that if people in power such as those guys got taken out what hope do I have. They
then come to sites like this and vent untill they either stop caring or die.

The reality of the world is that its all just a game, who cares let it all burn down. This is what our past generations and we have sowed and continue
to sow. Be a man or a woman and take your due punishment. We have certainly earned it in spades by our stupidity laziness and general lack of
imagination. The planet will keep turning and hopefully produce another sentient species worthy of the gift.

We deserve everything we get and if that doesnt sit well with you, you need to take another look in the mirror. I take full responsibility for
everything that happens to me and everything I do.

Raised in the fold, I can tell you that in order for any type of ascension to take place a catalyst must be introduced. negitive influence to
positivily empower is the usual. So when I see violence on a scale such as this effecting billions to question how they look at how they treat each
other I see new stories of morals being passed to alter the collective consciousness. Positivly.

Just as war seized slavery. and battalic warfare toppled hitler and informational and espionagal warfare toppled stalin. so will constitutional
warfare beat a country into uniting instead of fighting each other. all forms of ascension are achieved by the use of tru majiks which is the
manipulation of man by any means.

no form of life gets what they want through praying or divining in the dark arts but by the manipulation of the world around them.

Originally posted by Wanderer112358
I have visited and been a member of many of these "conspiracy" forums for years now. I once believed that the world was moving, slowly but surely,
toward a new higher spiritual reality. I am now very sorry to say that I no longer believe that to be true. Maybe all this "ascension" talk has
been a sick fantasy or a dream. Whenever I now visit these sites, all I see is stupidity, hate, ugliness and anger.

So, I ask myself, is it the people that visit these sites or is this a cross section of society in general? Are these sites just manipulated by
trolls to be the point where little real truth emerges? I don't know really. But, one thing is obvious, it is getting worse and the threads are
getting even darker day to day, not just here, but all of the conspiracy sites.

What are we to make of this madness? Is all of society spiritually descending instead of ascending? Is all hope lost?

Maybe there is a separation taking place. Maybe most of society is descending into chaos, hate and madness, but a much smaller percentage of society
is moving in the opposite direction at the same time. So, what we see is a spiritual separation taking place where a portion of humanity is
descending into "Hell" while a portion is at the same time ascending towards "Heaven". I use these terms as concepts. Not what the Christian
bible believes them to be.

So, in conclusion, the only hope I now see for a better world is for society to divide into two realities, because most of the humans here are just
not ready for such an ascension. Don't believe me? Just take a look at the posts on this one forum. It is beyond sad and disgusting. I no longer
see any possibility or hope of a complete spiritual ascension. The only hope now is for a small few to finish their time here and to return Home.
The rest must return and live this reality again. And again, and again...

It makes me sad to even write this, but it's the truth.

Peace

edit on 20-1-2013 by Wanderer112358 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-1-2013 by Wanderer112358 because: (no reason
given)

You are like many on this site are what people call a unrealistic optimist, you dont have the full picture of what humanity is and thus your world
view stems from a fairytale that has been spun and dangled before you like the proverbial carrot that urges the poor mule forward. You used to believe
there was some grand purpose to the game called life and that there was some epic moment ..maybe dec 21 2012, was going to change that.

Well life isnt about the world but your world. I laugh at people that think there will be some sort of ascension. Ascension? Are you kidding me? The
idiots that run the world like things the way they are and if they cant have it we sure as hell wont get it. The so called enlightened "light
workers" are too busy singing ancing and lighting scented candles to stop the maniacs and the rest of the sheep are too stupid to see they are being
used and then discarded when they are no longer needed. Those who want to make a difference and actually have the balls to stand up get shot down, the
rest that want to make a difference see that and say well look at that if people in power such as those guys got taken out what hope do I have. They
then come to sites like this and vent untill they either stop caring or die.

The reality of the world is that its all just a game, who cares let it all burn down. This is what our past generations and we have sowed and continue
to sow. Be a man or a woman and take your due punishment. We have certainly earned it in spades by our stupidity laziness and general lack of
imagination. The planet will keep turning and hopefully produce another sentient species worthy of the gift.

We deserve everything we get and if that doesnt sit well with you, you need to take another look in the mirror. I take full responsibility for
everything that happens to me and everything I do.

It is views like yours that causes me to lose hope in humanity. This reality could be a true heaven on Earth if people just remembered who and what
they really are. I find your view of humanity not only negative and ugly, but wrong.

The only path to true ascension in my view is love and service to others. Just my humble opinion.

Originally posted by dodol
For the world to move toward a global spiritual ascension, everyone must change their mindset, must work toward it by himself/herself (and help others
who need guides)

Just like coffee and tea. If we want to make our coffees and teas taste sweet, we have to add sweeteners.
We can't just wait, see the coffees and teas, and expect them to miraculously become sweeter.

edit on 20-1-2013 by dodol because: (no reason
given)

edit on 20-1-2013 by dodol because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-1-2013 by dodol because: (no reason
given)

I haven't mentioned it here yet, but the "sweetener" coming to the reality at this time are advanced light beings that have "heard the call" to
come and help right now to counteract all of this darkness. To add additional light to the darkness so to speak.

I believe that these brave souls will change the balance to allow the ascension to happen. I just don't believe that all of the beings incarnated
here right now will be ready.

I understand your sadness. Its good that you want everyone to share in your experiences of enlightenment but each person is at a different stage of
development. Just as there are people of all different physical ages living side by side from newborns to infants to children to teens to adults to
the elderly..... all under one roof.

You cant expect everyone to be on the same level at the same time. But eventually even the newborn will grow up. Noone is actually going backwards
or even standing still, though it may appear that way to an outside observer. Let go of preconceived notions of how things should be and therefore
the disappointment when reality doesnt fit the expectation.

I understand your sadness. Its good that you want everyone to share in your experiences of enlightenment but each person is at a different stage of
development. Just as there are people of all different physical ages living side by side from newborns to infants to children to teens to adults to
the elderly..... all under one roof.

You cant expect everyone to be on the same level at the same time. But eventually even the newborn will grow up. Noone is actually going backwards
or even standing still, though it may appear that way to an outside observer. Let go of preconceived notions of how things should be and therefore
the disappointment when reality doesnt fit the expectation.

Everything is on schedule. It can never be otherwise.

I understand.

Let me ask you a question. So, do you not believe that there are times of mass ascensions? Where beings at a certain level can transition/ascend as
a group to a higher reality? Or do you believe that each being reaches this level individually in their own time? Between incarnations?

My real dilemma is in whether the whole world transitions/ascends as a whole or whether only a percentage of the planet transitions while the rest go
to some other 3D reality to learn further lessons.

I believe that at certain cycles of time, mass transitions/ascensions happen in mass. The question is what percentage will be ready at that
time...

Enlightenment can not be forced onto those who don't want it. It is a personal journey. Coming here and learning to separate between the trolls and
truths is part of that journey. Enlightenment cannot be achieved without maturity or truth.

Originally posted by winterkill
Enlightenment can not be forced onto those who don't want it. It is a personal journey. Coming here and learning to separate between the trolls and
truths is part of that journey. Enlightenment cannot be achieved without maturity or truth.

You have some good insights, but try not to judge others, especially those you know nothing about. You don't know me...

Peace

Who says I'm judging you? Your OP states everything needed to draw the conclusions I did. I did not assume anything, I simply worked with what you
gave me.

And as many do, you drew the wrong conclusions based on superficial and limited information. We all do it daily. How are we to know anyone from a
few line post on some forum? Humans are much more complicated and complex than you care to admit.

Let me ask you a question. So, do you not believe that there are times of mass ascensions? Where beings at a certain level can transition/ascend as a
group to a higher reality? Or do you believe that each being reaches this level individually in their own time? Between incarnations?

I'm not much interested in beliefs or speculation. This is whats causing your distress. Whenever my mind starts playing around with speculations
trying to form beliefs trying to figure things out. there's an immediate recognition of discomfort caused by all that unnnecessary, futile mind
activity. So i still the mind and find peace. When the mind is still you will understand without necessarily having the words to describe the
understanding. When the mind is calm you will treat others with kindness, compassion and love and when the majority of people on a planet are living
with a still mind then the society that comes out of that will be more utopian. So the real work is learning to still the mind.

My real dilemma is in whether the whole world transitions/ascends as a whole or whether only a percentage of the planet transitions while the rest go
to some other 3D reality to learn further lessons.

Again, the real dilemma is the unnecessary, futile mind activity. Is it really important that you know the answer to this? Is it even possible?

As you said, the answers come in the stillness, not by going round and round in thought. There is no need to escape from the questions. Ask them,
and be still. Put your efforts towards becoming more and more still rather than thinking more and more in the hopes that thought will bring the
answers.

The distress is there because thought can only go so far. To go beyond thought is the real ascension. To go beyond thought.......be still. They are
the same.

This means that at some point you will have to start a practice where whenever the mind starts asking questions you tell it to be still. Or rather
you let it become still, and go deeper into stillness.

Stillness will show you all you need to know. It is not an escape. It is the ascension.

First of all there is no ascension process or any up gradation work going on. Any spiritual development happens from within and its a life-long
process. More than half of society is distracted for centuries. Only individuals can ascend.

The Above Top Secret Web site is a wholly owned social content community of The Above Network, LLC.

This content community relies on user-generated content from our member contributors. The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides a collaborative venue for free expression.