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I feel bad for Seth and Solva but I think I know what Saten aim with this action.
Now I not know if Saten know what happen with AA and Cruz when he active his fragment and show that strange eyes .....but if the theory of some one here is truth then Saten probally want Cruz to full awake his power(the angel inside).
And if this is the case then Gido action to attack Blade instead to let some one else kill him would make sense.
I can totally see Saten attack some one else next ch just to make Cruz feel even more nedless....then again i probally wrong and they do this for another reason.
Anyway the next ch will be even more interesting after all this info that we see in this one.

First is Arclight's abscence in Needless 1.5. Not only he has become what you may call the ultimate being, he has taken the role of the Prime Minister too, so he's restrained to his new occupation. If the governor, the most important person in the City, were to misteriously disappear all of a sudden and without any kind of explanation, it would cause a riot.

Next is the Black Spot purge. This one is impossible to avoid, it's just impossible to destroy those huge battleships. But that doesn't mean all its residents will be killed, as it's shown that strong needlesses like the Black Madam are still alive two years forward in the time. There's also the residents of the Underground, thousands of people can take refuge there.

And finally the plan to exterminate all humanity. As Solace pointed previously, those calculations probably won't be exactly accurate and in the end far more individuals than the amount they expected will survive.

First is Arclight's abscence in Needless 1.5. Not only he has become what you may call the ultimate being, he has taken the role of the Prime Minister too, so he's restrained to his new occupation. If the governor, the most important person in the City, were to misteriously disappear all of a sudden and without any kind of explanation, it would cause a riot.

He is either dead or injured, or someone else could be running the country.

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Next is the Black Spot purge. This one is impossible to avoid, it's just impossible to destroy those huge battleships. But that doesn't mean all its residents will be killed, as it's shown that strong needlesses like the Black Madam are still alive two years forward in the time. There's also the residents of the Underground, thousands of people can take refuge there.

Whose to say they can't be destroyed, stronger Needless like Hattfield, Strom and Arca would have no problem destroying them.

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And finally the plan to exterminate all humanity. As Solace pointed previously, those calculations probably won't be exactly accurate and in the end far more individuals than the amount they expected will survive.

Yes I believe more people will survive, but we still know humanity still exists and separates themselves from Needless, Arclights plan never goes into fruition.

Well I'm pretty sure that is what he try to do now in his own way(and i think we already say this).

Also I just realize something we thought that the monster that Kain fight in black spot(?) was a experiment ......but what if is one of this Angel?(but then again i'm probally wrong about this).

No, you're probably not wrong. Adam clones can be easily identified by the crystal located on their foreheads and their human bodyshapes. But that thing Cain was facing off had an abnormal appearance and colossal size. It was most likely an angel that came through the gate.

Arclight has put it very clear in this chapter. With their current level in science it's impossible to close it.

So yeah, even if Arclight miraculously gets defeated, Imai has already set up the scenario for the coming war against divine-like beings that far surpasses him in power. One of these angels started everything, do not forget.

As the situation stands, I believe all personel of Simeon were called back to HQ or taken refuge in the city before the strike occured. I doubt Arclight would do some freindly fire on his own subordinates. The students and faculty in Saint Rose were evacuated well before. Setsuna and Kushinashi were in HQ. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Black Madam was here already too. I'm reminded of Rin who used her bionoc compressor to cause headaches. Wind or Bionic Compressor could probably also be used to cause what happened to Setsuna by messing with the air pressure around her. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Soji

Also I just realize something we thought that the monster that Kain fight in black spot(?) was a experiment ......but what if is one of this Angel?(but then again i'm probally wrong about this).

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That's make sense, especially with Setsuna calling Mio to tell her to report to the Simeon HQ before strike began. Probably a good thing that Cruz decided to head for the City since it seems like Disk and everyone else didn't plan for this (you can tell by how shocked she looks when she sees the airships overhead in the City).

As for what's causing Setsuna to cough up the blood, it likely has something to do with her eyes turning black for that one moment when she blocked Teruyama's attack and then did a DDBB. I don't think anyone else is attacking/affecting her unless they it's also related to her eyes turning black.

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Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

It's hard to think of a way Arclight could be killed. Only Saten can turn the balance.

Arclight doesn't have to be killed to be dead.

Also, if an angel does come through the game, it wouldn't be surprising to think that one could kill Arclight or anyone in the manga considering how omnipotent they are expected to be.

Also how would triple 6 not know how Eve got doppelganger? I think this is proving that Gido hasn't been competely honest with them or hasn't had any good communication.

Not that strange, I don't think.

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Triple Six knows that Adam has Zero and Doppelganger and that Eve has no Fragments. After the PF Blast, Gido takes them to Blackspot where they hide. The only one from Triple Six watching over them is Gido, meaning he has full control over all the information regarding Blade and Eve. So when Gido needed to save Eve by moving Doppelganger over to her, he didn't tell anyone. That means when Saten saw Eve, he wasn't expecting Doppelganger which is why he thought Eve stole it from Blade.

Wouldn't it be funny if that "gentle hand" which saved Cruz during Arclight's Edenseed release turns out to be Gido's :0 Now that would be a nice twist.

Also I'm pretty sure Gido has been a Needless for a long time now. After all he survived the explosion which leveled the Adam project research facililty 16 years ago. He was actually described as the "lone survivor"(chap 48 page 18). So he just happened to survive a massive explosion which barely anywone else survived? At the time I thought of it as plot armour(lol, the best armour in the world!), but I think it's safe to say he survived for the same reason he's able to stop Blade's attack in chapter 108.

I've already metioned this a couple of pages back, but I still think it's odd that triple six wanted to know the specifics of when Eve obtained Doppleganger(according to Saten chap 80 page 10). It looks like there's very little time between Ishiyama baiting Blade to come to the city(and trying to find out about Eve etc through his Blackout invoke) and them meeting Gido in the city who says he's the head of triple six. I'm estimating about a day and a night. Gido could've easily returned to the city after he got hit with the Arclight's Edenseed release and told them all they needed to know, especially since he already seems to have been a powerful Needless for years! Blocking a straight on attack from Blade surely means you're stronger than your average Needless.

That makes me think Gido is indeed just like Saten someone with a hidden objective unknown to Simeon or triple 6 he's trying to pursue.

In that same chapter on page 23, Guido also says that flashback we saw was created from a combination of Arclight and Blade's brains, records from Disk, and "his own half forgotten memories." Perhaps Guido was offered a position within Triple 6 either during or shortly after the accident that killed Kasumi, and either repressed the memories of what happened, or they were sealed away (Blackout Invoke perhaps??). With no idea that he was a Needless or a member he would have continued on as he always had. If this is the case, it explains why Triple 6 never had any data on Eve, or even the fact that Blade and Eve were even still alive.

Sort of like the movie "total recall"? Well, that certainly sounds like an interesting possibility. If Ishiyama can dig out memories it wouldn't be that strange if he had the ability to burry them too.

It all comes down to if Gido knew the whole time or his memory was sealed. You have to assume one or the other to make a specualted guess of the current revelation. Hopefully, this is brought up next chapter.

Glad I'm not the only one to think that about that monster that Cain fight in black spot.
About Gido and why would attack Blade only now ,I still on my Idea that he and Saten want Yamada to full awake his power(whatever this power is) the only thing that i wonder is why Gido would help Saten in this plan?
To tell you the true a first i thought they want Blade to power up but then i recall that Saten not care much about Blade(if we not count the time he need him in the memory world or his wish to kill him) so i can't see him do somethig for Blade.
Also like i say in my other post would not suprise me if next ch Saten attack some one else .
And if you wonder why i think like this ,just think how the situation has evolve so far and what Saten and Gido have done until now.
Also a what happen the first time that Yamada awake his power and why that burst of energy come out on what his thought was and what happen before that.

Glad I'm not the only one to think that about that monster that Cain fight in black spot.
About Gido and why would attack Blade only now ,I still on my Idea that he and Saten want Yamada to full awake his power(whatever this power is) the only thing that i wonder is why Gido would help Saten in this plan?
To tell you the true a first i thought they want Blade to power up but then i recall that Saten not care much about Blade(if we not count the time he need him in the memory world or his wish to kill him) so i can't see him do somethig for Blade.
Also like i say in my other post would not suprise me if next ch Saten attack some one else .
And if you wonder why i think like this ,just think how the situation has evolve so far and what Saten and Gido have done until now.
Also a what happen the first time that Yamada awake his power and why that burst of energy come out on what his thought was and what happen before that.

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I don't think Gido has any interest in Cruz. If he is working with Saten, it is only due to interest coinciding but differ in key aspects. Saten if his declarration after Uten's defeat still holds true. Then, he still wants to end Blade's life. Of cpurse, I'm under the assumtion Gido doesn't want Blade and Eve to die. I believe explanations about Blade's body and Eve's quick adaptation to Doppleganger.

However, it is possible Saten wants to push Cruz into activating that power he awakened when Arclight attacked him. Seeing two comrades get devoured, an ally turn into your enemy, and the situation being further unchangeable will get to anyone. Yeah, Saten could be pushing Cruz to reach absolute hopelessness and despair, and then overcome it

However, the question remains if his amotions actually awakened the power. This not the first time Cruz has felt despair, lamenting his own powerlessness or showing resolve. What made that particular instance different?

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Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

Spoiler for spoiler:

Saten is aiming not only to kill Blade but also Arclight. You guys remember back during the climax of Blade and Arclight's confrontation in the Simeon Black Spot branch?

There was a point where Blade pushed him through the glass. Saten's reaction at that was of someone who was not pleased, as if he knew Arclight had already won in that very instant.

Yeah, Saten's face could be taken as strange. It could be just from shock as he didn't expect the glass to shatter so easily. Perhaps he secretly had it reinforced to prevent what happened, although I have no basis for it.

As I've been lurking here, I thought of a possible reasoning for the military strike on the Black Spots.

As stated before, it's unlikely it's an attempt to destroy the gate. If brute force could've destroyed it, it would've been done long ago.

What we see is Needless' outside the black spot (Blade and Co. encouraged to do this at this exact time), preparations made to quarantine more territory already made, and possible Needless sprouting outside the Black Spot (Needless 1.5's Cain and his father origins were not specified but I find it unlikely they were allowed to emigrate from a Black Spot).

From this, I theorize that the effect of the gate has spread beyond current quarantines and the strike is a scheme to enlarge the current Black Spots without raising civilian suspicions about the control of the contamination.

The strike was timed to coincide with Blade Co. entering the city for this reason. The ships' mission meant they were already deployed and in place to quarantine the new boundaries of the Black Spot. The public would not question it since anything that came in contact with the Black Spot was seen to be contaminated.

I don't think Gido has any interest in Cruz. If he is working with Saten, it is only due to interest coinciding but differ in key aspects. Saten if his declarration after Uten's defeat still holds true. Then, he still wants to end Blade's life. Of cpurse, I'm under the assumtion Gido doesn't want Blade and Eve to die. I believe explanations about Blade's body and Eve's quick adaptation to Doppleganger.

However, it is possible Saten wants to push Cruz into activating that power he awakened when Arclight attacked him. Seeing two comrades get devoured, an ally turn into your enemy, and the situation being further unchangeable will get to anyone. Yeah, Saten could be pushing Cruz to reach absolute hopelessness and despair, and then overcome it

However, the question remains if his amotions actually awakened the power. This not the first time Cruz has felt despair, lamenting his own powerlessness or showing resolve. What made that particular instance different?

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Well this time is different that the other.
Not only many thing have already happen(like you're self already point out)but all this thing happen in one day not like before.
No to mention that the strange eyes already have appeared once which means that whatever Yamada have inside have already start to awake.
Also,do not forget that Yamada is no longer like its past self in thi city arc we see him change the most.
how he has realized that it is a resident of the black spot and his will of survive before he active his needless power and that strange eyes. (you know again AA when he refuse his own thought to acept death that was fine) both these scene show a change in Yamada so we don't know how he will react if push enough.

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Originally Posted by Yaluk

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As I've been lurking here, I thought of a possible reasoning for the military strike on the Black Spots.

As stated before, it's unlikely it's an attempt to destroy the gate. If brute force could've destroyed it, it would've been done long ago.

What we see is Needless' outside the black spot (Blade and Co. encouraged to do this at this exact time), preparations made to quarantine more territory already made, and possible Needless sprouting outside the Black Spot (Needless 1.5's Cain and his father origins were not specified but I find it unlikely they were allowed to emigrate from a Black Spot).

From this, I theorize that the effect of the gate has spread beyond current quarantines and the strike is a scheme to enlarge the current Black Spots without raising civilian suspicions about the control of the contamination.

The strike was timed to coincide with Blade Co. entering the city for this reason. The ships' mission meant they were already deployed and in place to quarantine the new boundaries of the Black Spot. The public would not question it since anything that came in contact with the Black Spot was seen to be contaminated.

Spoiler for spoiler:

This is definitely a interesting thought and maybe other that for this reason they do this to eliminate needless too weak or/and who are not faithful to AA.