To date I have only been experimenting/playing with the notion of including some special f/x into a pano from 2D to 3D.... I hate tacky graphics so I would never consider placing crapy graphics into any of my pano's.. I personally would consider putting special f/x into a pano perhaps since I know how to do it.. There would be some limitations to this but I feel to date I have only scratched the surface of what might be possible...

I was thinking that it would be cool to see a ripple on a lack within the pano scene or fire in an old home/castle fire place or even wall torches.. An early morning mist with the sunlight rippling in the sunlight.. 3D or 2D animated objects are also possible... Even a lip synched 3D character narrating the scene. We already know that its possible to place a movie into a Rectangle, which in my mind is very exciting... Here is a link to very real looking fire and water... The water has been created in Flash.. The fire has been animated in Maya and exported into a swf movie...

Hi Klaus.. Well.. now I feel like I am a blond girl.. I had no idea that was all there... I did download all the software ages ago but I never really got into it. I really like ptp and apg.. I think its all very cleaver to drop a droplet into a pano and it creates everything... I did not know the other stuff was there.. Its all very very interesting... Now I feel stupid.. so I must be blond.. Thank you so much for telling me.... But its nice to know that others are thinking on the same lines with all the crazy stuff I am thinking off... But perhaps not so crazy after all... If you ever need anything crazy made I will make it for you for free...

By the way.. do you have a nice pano photo I can use to try out my water effect... I do not have anything.. I need a nice lake scene... Something with reflections in the water.. Or if anyone else reading this has a pano photo to send me, it would be appreciated...

D..

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This link below is to test Lip Synch of a character in a Pano... Unfortunately I cannot make the background with an Alpha on a flv movie.... Unless someone knows something I don't... These characters can be 3D Cartoon or even realistic 3D human male/female.. Perhaps has merit as an introduction to the theme of the pano if in a museum, art gallery or public area etc... These are just test for sound and lip synch...

Destiny wrote:This link below is to test Lip Synch of a character in a Pano... Unfortunately I cannot make the background with an Alpha on a flv movie.... Unless someone knows something I don't... These characters can be 3D Cartoon or even realistic 3D human male/female.. Perhaps has merit as an introduction to the theme of the pano if in a museum, art gallery or public area etc... These are just test for sound and lip synch...

In one of the forums I saw a link to a pano where someone had created a holographic character video to provide an introduction to a museum tour. They seemed to have sorted the alpha, maybe in the video edit program, as opposed to flash video. Sorry, I can't find the link now, bloody internet is too big!

In the right place I think effects can add real value. But subtlety is the key don't you think?

I think the other problem right now is that until iDevice support catches up it is maybe a good idea to hold back a little. There are now so many people consuming a lot of internet content on iDevices, and other non flash supporting mobile devices, that it is important not to ignore them. I wish they would get a move on and finish HTML5. What do you think about that?

I've been playing with rain and directional sound as part of a seascape pano. You can hardly see the rain on some monitors, but it is just there on a decent monitor. Sorry, I can't share the link publicly as it is for a client, but if you are interested in seeing it drop me an email and I will send it.

Destiny wrote:To date I have only been experimenting/playing with the notion of including some special f/x into a pano from 2D to 3D.... I hate tacky graphics so I would never consider placing crapy graphics into any of my pano's.. I personally would consider putting special f/x into a pano perhaps since I know how to do it.. There would be some limitations to this but I feel to date I have only scratched the surface of what might be possible...

I was thinking that it would be cool to see a ripple on a lack within the pano scene or fire in an old home/castle fire place or even wall torches..

Destiny..

You'll find stuff like that in some of the panos on this site - for example, the first example on this page has subtle animated candle flames for example:

Hi Mike... Thank you for always being so positive about everything... Its always good to hear from you.... emm. unlike **SOME** **:mad:**

The mouse cartoon actually came about due to the audio.. One of my students found it on the internet so I thought it would be great for my mouse.. I also downloaded the yellow MM toon audio.... my voice is not as HIGH as his..

I have seen some really great special effects in Pano's lately and feel it has some real merit for sure.. Check this link out.. its really cool stuff.. http://www.stadtmaus.de/halloween-special/I feel if special effects are used they have to work well or it can look really tacky... 'In the right place I think effects can add real value. But subtlety is the key don't you think?' I totally agree... I went on the http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Board&boardID=18 forum where someone had what they called fire but it looked more like a radiation leak.. not well done at all... I am only just finding out the limitation of ptp... I feel that this software will only get better and even kolor techo's do not really fully know what people like me will try to do with their software...

I have sussed the alpha out with the flv... I just made it wrong.. no problems.. One tip I can give you with video is that, when authoring it using Premiere or Final Cut etc, never use a CODEC.. just render it raw 100% no CODEC.. This way when you drop it into Flash and save it as a flv, the quality is as best you can get without too much lossy.. If you use a CODEC the final file size will be about the same but the video you have used a double CODEC on will be of a lower quality.. There are a couple of CODEC's in Flash by default which are really good for compressing and allowing for streaming of video...

I totally agree regarding your comments on iDevices and HTML5... I believe that very soon their will be some great advancements in this area so I am keeping eyes and ears open and I am also keeping an open mind... If it wasn't for the iPad's I wouldn't bother with iDevices to be honest.. iPhones and iPods etc are just too small to get value from most of the content.... I feel iPads are going to take off in a big way and get better and better and also cheaper.. soon I feel they will be everywhere and when that happens that will be the market I will mostly aim for.. Creating content for iPads... HTML5 is the key to resolving many current problems and issues especially in video.. as soon as this version takes off then the door of opportunity will open wide fore sure...

With regards to your rain.... many people have a pc but do not set their graphics card to fully appreciate the graphic content of the internet... many things I have found effect the users view of content I have made and I am always amazed when they cannot see some content for silly basic reasons... This is why I love the Mac, its just works and works well with all kinds of web graphics...

Chat later...

Destiny

MikeMcFarlane wrote:

Destiny wrote:This link below is to test Lip Synch of a character in a Pano... Unfortunately I cannot make the background with an Alpha on a flv movie.... Unless someone knows something I don't... These characters can be 3D Cartoon or even realistic 3D human male/female.. Perhaps has merit as an introduction to the theme of the pano if in a museum, art gallery or public area etc... These are just test for sound and lip synch...

In one of the forums I saw a link to a pano where someone had created a holographic character video to provide an introduction to a museum tour. They seemed to have sorted the alpha, maybe in the video edit program, as opposed to flash video. Sorry, I can't find the link now, bloody internet is too big!

In the right place I think effects can add real value. But subtlety is the key don't you think?

I think the other problem right now is that until iDevice support catches up it is maybe a good idea to hold back a little. There are now so many people consuming a lot of internet content on iDevices, and other non flash supporting mobile devices, that it is important not to ignore them. I wish they would get a move on and finish HTML5. What do you think about that?

I've been playing with rain and directional sound as part of a seascape pano. You can hardly see the rain on some monitors, but it is just there on a decent monitor. Sorry, I can't share the link publicly as it is for a client, but if you are interested in seeing it drop me an email and I will send it.

Destiny wrote:I have seen some really great special effects in Pano's lately and feel it has some real merit for sure.. Check this link out.. its really cool stuff.. http://www.stadtmaus.de/halloween-special/I feel if special effects are used they have to work well or it can look really tacky... 'In the right place I think effects can add real value. But subtlety is the key don't you think?' I totally agree... I went on the http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Board&boardID=18 forum where someone had what they called fire but it looked more like a radiation leak.. not well done at all... I am only just finding out the limitation of ptp... I feel that this software will only get better and even kolor techo's do not really fully know what people like me will try to do with their software...

I have sussed the alpha out with the flv... I just made it wrong.. no problems.. One tip I can give you with video is that, when authoring it using Premiere or Final Cut etc, never use a CODEC.. just render it raw 100% no CODEC.. This way when you drop it into Flash and save it as a flv, the quality is as best you can get without too much lossy.. If you use a CODEC the final file size will be about the same but the video you have used a double CODEC on will be of a lower quality.. There are a couple of CODEC's in Flash by default which are really good for compressing and allowing for streaming of video...

Hi DAnother good link. My head is starting to burst with possibilities.I'm not using Flash at the mo, but I can see I may well have to dent my credit card sometime soon, there are just a few too many things I can't do right now. And Adobe are talking about/have produced a version that will produce iDevice compatible code.Thanks for the codec tip. Video is a bit of a nightmare in this regard!Kind regardsMike

Yes, I agree.. it does show a lot of possibilities.. Beautiful graphics in these panos too.. There are just so many software apps out there that have some feature of value.. Such as the candle flame.. I do not use Corel Draw but I remember somewhere that there is a really nice candle flame feature.. I used it once and it looked really affective... but only as a small flame..

You know Mike, you can actually convert many formats of media content to iDevice compatible using Adobe Media Encoder...

I am beginning to play with Adobe After Effects and Motion.. these are two very nice software apps capable of creating some great effects... I just wonder how they will work inside a pano..

Adobe Premiere can save video for use in iDevices too.. And Flash CS5 can create and save content for iPhones and iPads... Apple Touch screens etc... Not sure how it actually works since Flash is not supposed to work inside a iDevice.. so I need to play and test this out.. ITs something to do with the fact that it creates a script and xml code.. As I understand it... If I had more time I would play with it more but I have to work and look after baby too.. so hard for me... especially since I am not a good business lady so to date I have made......... oh yes... 0$... the good news is.. I don't don't pay tax either..

oh well.. at least I am having so much fun learning and doing what I love to do...

MikeMcFarlane wrote:I've been playing with rain and directional sound as part of a seascape pano. You can hardly see the rain on some monitors, but it is just there on a decent monitor. Sorry, I can't share the link publicly as it is for a client, but if you are interested in seeing it drop me an email and I will send it.

The issues I still have to resolve would be that fact that for some reason there is a pause between the last frame and the repeat of the first.. might be able to fix this by increasing the frame rate... perhaps a bit more optimising will get it to load bit quicker too.. This fire has two particle elements, fire and smoke.. Once its right I will put it against a real fire place in a castle or nice home etc...

HiThanks for all the info above, I will have to digest it next week when I have more time.A few comments on the fire:- needs a surround to properly border the brickwork. It would just contain the image.- the background brickwork is too bright. It should be sooty.- the flames prob actually need to be faster, and a little more random.- the killer I think though is the light from the fire needs to create light (and shadow which you have) on the background.Not easy.Just my impressions.Mike

yes.. right on all accounts.. it still needs lots of work... Perhaps if I set light to Mac it would look more real...Its still a bit crappy.... I will think about it more....

Thanks for that Mike...

D

MikeMcFarlane wrote:HiThanks for all the info above, I will have to digest it next week when I have more time.A few comments on the fire:- needs a surround to properly border the brickwork. It would just contain the image.- the background brickwork is too bright. It should be sooty.- the flames prob actually need to be faster, and a little more random.- the killer I think though is the light from the fire needs to create light (and shadow which you have) on the background.Not easy.Just my impressions.Mike

Well I have roared the fire up a bit more and put some soot on the brick wall with some more flicker.. but the stupid last frame still pauses from last frame to first.. Not sure how I can fix that... Makes it looks stupid.. I might try a different codec or medium.....

Unbelievable....!!!! I spent hours and hours woking on my Thumb Navigation and there it is, a very similar thing for the grand price of 55 Euro... I might just buy this Flashificatior just to pull it apart.... Amazing, I never heard of it before you told us, Andrew... I do not think it will be that long before common Flash works within all iDevices after HTML5 takes off as well as other platforms being developed.. in fact Flash already does work in iDevices in many forms using AS3... Not sure how since I cannot work a few publishing issues out.. I do not know enough about AS3 to use it... Nothing I know about AS2 is relevant... But Flash defiantly does work within iDevices but only when AS3 created... Just not when using AS2... And since kolor is built on AS2 its a waist of time us anyway...

Destiny

PS,,,, Don't think I will bother.. I downloaded it for trial but then found out I have to buy the Flash Panoramic Player for about 65Aus$ as well then there's the Flashificator for about 75Aus$.... Flashificator asked where the Flash Panoramic Player was located in order to open..

mediavets wrote:This too has a front-end authoring tool - it's called Flashificator, created by an Icelander who lives in Peru (I kid you not). Powerful but with notoriously user 'unfriendly' UI.

As yet neither provides any support for iDevices.

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Hi.. Perhaps someone knows more about AS3 and Flash in a iPhone/iPad then me... Going by everything that Flash suggest, it is possible to load Flash into an iPone or iPad etc, as you can see below in the images there are heaps of setting for this... But no matter what I do, when I open it in my iPod it will not open.. Now, perhaps its due to the fact that my iPod is older than Flash CS5 so this might be the reason why it will not work on my iPod.. But it might work on the current iPone or iPad's..... I managed to get a AS3 graphic to work in a kolor pano, no problems.. I thought only AS2 would work but its not the case.... So then I thought that since there are so many settings for iPads and iPhone that I just had to create a Flash file using AS3 but when I opened it on my iPod... its says... 'Adobe Flash is not supported by any of Apple applications, since it is blocked'... or words to that effect.... So why the hell does Flash provide settings for this???? Its all very confusing... Some web sites say Flash is supported but only via html5 but other web sites say its not even supported buy html5...

D

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