"I think Kolb (and the running game) will benefit greatly from better play in the trenches."

I disagree. A better offensive line isn't going to vastly improve Kevin Kolb's play as his biggest downfall is a lack of awareness inside the pocket. A better pocket doesn't make a player like Kolb better inside the pocket. That's something Kolb needs to work through himself, nothing we can do personnel wise will fix that for him.

How could it not? When you get 2 to 4 seconds for your progressions hes going to have to make a quick decision and he won't be able to have the same yardage he would if he he did get the time.

Just watch Kolb play. He's not taking 2-4 seconds (That's not an accurate timetable anway) and then being forced to move ONLY when the protection is shoddy, Kevin Kolb does on nearly every snap he takes regardless of protection. No offensive line changes that.

It's easy, just watch Kolb play.

Again though look at it this way. If you as the QB have no confidence in you OL, you start feeling pressure even when there is none. I think if he got the time to make his reads more consistently he would and can start to be better in that regard. Not to mention the second part of what I mentioned. It is extremely difficult for the best of QB's to make up for the worst running game in football. When your QB has the limitations of a guy like Kolb, it is only going to make it worse. If teams can play their nickle defense against your base package and not worry too much about getting gashed on the ground, it is much harder to pass the football.

I've got a question - how did Kolb look in Philly behind their line? I know that wasn't known as the best line in football when he played there - but it is clearly better than our line right now. That's also a different scheme though - but it's the only comparison we have. Did he also have the happy feet there in the pocket and the lack of awareness?

"I think Kolb (and the running game) will benefit greatly from better play in the trenches."

I disagree. A better offensive line isn't going to vastly improve Kevin Kolb's play as his biggest downfall is a lack of awareness inside the pocket. A better pocket doesn't make a player like Kolb better inside the pocket. That's something Kolb needs to work through himself, nothing we can do personnel wise will fix that for him.

How could it not? When you get 2 to 4 seconds for your progressions hes going to have to make a quick decision and he won't be able to have the same yardage he would if he he did get the time.

Just watch Kolb play. He's not taking 2-4 seconds (That's not an accurate timetable anway) and then being forced to move ONLY when the protection is shoddy, Kevin Kolb does on nearly every snap he takes regardless of protection. No offensive line changes that.

It's easy, just watch Kolb play.

Again though look at it this way. If you as the QB have no confidence in you OL, you start feeling pressure even when there is none. I think if he got the time to make his reads more consistently he would and can start to be better in that regard. Not to mention the second part of what I mentioned. It is extremely difficult for the best of QB's to make up for the worst running game in football. When your QB has the limitations of a guy like Kolb, it is only going to make it worse. If teams can play their nickle defense against your base package and not worry too much about getting gashed on the ground, it is much harder to pass the football.

I've got a question - how did Kolb look in Philly behind their line? I know that wasn't known as the best line in football when he played there - but it is clearly better than our line right now. That's also a different scheme though - but it's the only comparison we have. Did he also have the happy feet there in the pocket and the lack of awareness?

I honestly don't know, I didn't watch him there. I do know that he had very good stat lines for the few games he played (threw for over 400 yards a couple times I believe), but it is a small sample size. My opinion of Kolb is that he is a good enough QB to win any game as long as the offense doesn't live and die with him performing miracles. There are very few QB's in the league that would be performing at a high level with the Cards current offense IMO, and I think it is a bit unfair to base ones opinion of him off of this season.

If I got hit as hard and as often as he has been, I would have poor pocket presence too... even if I were a good NFL QB._________________

MAC DRE wrote:

I'd rather have young Wagner and Wright going forward than Willis and Bowman.

"I think Kolb (and the running game) will benefit greatly from better play in the trenches."

I disagree. A better offensive line isn't going to vastly improve Kevin Kolb's play as his biggest downfall is a lack of awareness inside the pocket. A better pocket doesn't make a player like Kolb better inside the pocket. That's something Kolb needs to work through himself, nothing we can do personnel wise will fix that for him.

How could it not? When you get 2 to 4 seconds for your progressions hes going to have to make a quick decision and he won't be able to have the same yardage he would if he he did get the time.

Just watch Kolb play. He's not taking 2-4 seconds (That's not an accurate timetable anway) and then being forced to move ONLY when the protection is shoddy, Kevin Kolb does on nearly every snap he takes regardless of protection. No offensive line changes that.

It's easy, just watch Kolb play.

Again though look at it this way. If you as the QB have no confidence in you OL, you start feeling pressure even when there is none. I think if he got the time to make his reads more consistently he would and can start to be better in that regard. Not to mention the second part of what I mentioned. It is extremely difficult for the best of QB's to make up for the worst running game in football. When your QB has the limitations of a guy like Kolb, it is only going to make it worse. If teams can play their nickle defense against your base package and not worry too much about getting gashed on the ground, it is much harder to pass the football.

He did before he got here. That's not an Arizona offensive line problem, much as people like to pin it on their favorite whipping boy. It's a Kevin Kolb problem.

That has almost always been John's problem. John is not afraid to dart a ball into 2-3 defenders where Kolb is a little more trigger shy in those situations.

If you rush 4 and drop the rest into coverage, John will force throws that really, by all means, aren't there.

I think if Kolb gets healthy, he isn't the long term solution, but with time in the pocket he makes more accurate throws and better decisions. Unfortunate for him is the fact that there is no way he is here next season without a drastic pay cut.

That has almost always been John's problem. John is not afraid to dart a ball into 2-3 defenders where Kolb is a little more trigger shy in those situations.

If you rush 4 and drop the rest into coverage, John will force throws that really, by all means, aren't there.

I think if Kolb gets healthy, he isn't the long term solution, but with time in the pocket he makes more accurate throws and better decisions. Unfortunate for him is the fact that there is no way he is here next season without a drastic pay cut.

Bolded: Case in point, the pick he threw yesterday. 2 guys there and Housler didn't have a beat on either of them. Skelton throws it anyway. With this offense, we can't stand to give away a single yard let alone a single possession. Skelton's been doing that at an alarming rate. TO in every game he's played this year.