We still have until January 2014 until an awb bill can even be brought to the table.

Laws can only originate in the house, not in the senate. Which is a major hole in obummer care.

John boheaner has already said he will not allow any legislation for new gun control to even come up for discussion.

Even if the bill were to originate in the senate it would never pass the house.

There would be many dead cops, local, state and federal workers and UN solders who would be coming door to door .

The military isn't going to disarm us and neither is the local police.

Just relax and stay calm.

But, cmmg make nice lowers.

Dude, they're not going to go door to door collecting guns. They'll just ban the sale of new ones, and then wait. Eventually, the supply will dry up, and it will be an occasion to get to shoot an AR-15 at the "assaultrifleowner.com" annual AR-15 shoot, the same way it's presently an occasion to shoot an automatic gun.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but my Rock River AR-15 has had over 1,000 rounds of shit-ass Brown-Bear .223 run through it has NEVER failed to fire or jammed on me. I've cleaned it 1 time. Colt does make a great piece though. I wouldn't argue that.

AWB should pass there is no reason an 18 year old kid needs to get one for his birthday. Lack of training and people's lack of responsibility lead it to the way it is now.

However I'd be all for it if it required a separate license and mandatory training course. Maybe $200-300 dollars, that way you'd weed out the "pseudo-rambo" types. Handguns, Shotguns, & single fire rifles are one thing.

AWB should pass there is no reason an 18 year old kid needs to get one for his birthday. Lack of training and people's lack of responsibility lead it to the way it is now.

However I'd be all for it if it required a separate license and mandatory training course. Maybe $200-300 dollars, that way you'd weed out the "pseudo-rambo" types. Handguns, Shotguns, & single fire rifles are one thing.

Yes they should, that way you have a direction to point the finger in.

Gas pump fires don't randomly kill people, swimming pools don't randomly kill people, and yes you could kill one person maybe with a screw driver. You need a license to drive a car what getting one for a gun is such bad idea? They both are equally deadly.

I see where you are going with this and before you do stop...think, then type. I should not nor anyone else in the US have to arm myself with militaryesque hardware to defend myself & family from a robber/crazy/etc. A simple handgun & shotgun is all that is needed. You want one then a mandatory age limit, psych eval., steep license fee, anything to stop what happens when one idiot does indeed "ruin" it for you. So sorry you'll have to stick with hunting rifles now or should 20 more kids have to die for you to believe it?

Yes they should, that way you have a direction to point the finger in.

"Yes" who should what?

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Gas pump fires don't randomly kill people, swimming pools don't randomly kill people, and yes you could kill one person maybe with a screw driver. You need a license to drive a car what getting one for a gun is such bad idea? They both are equally deadly.

Wait, so how often do guns randomly kill people?

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I see where you are going with this and before you do stop...think, then type. I should not nor anyone else in the US have to arm myself with militaryesque hardware to defend myself & family from a robber/crazy/etc. A simple handgun & shotgun is all that is needed. You want one then a mandatory age limit, psych eval., steep license fee, anything to stop what happens when one idiot does indeed "ruin" it for you. So sorry you'll have to stick with hunting rifles now or should 20 more kids have to die for you to believe it?

A robber/crazy/etc can attack you with anything. You make it sound as if you feel that if all the guns magically disappear, somehow you would be happy because the playing field would be level. I don't know about you, but in the event that a robber/crazy/etc is coming at me/my family, I don't care what they are using. I want to put them down in the most efficient method possible. I don't know how in your little world "oh gee he only has a kitchen knife. I can totally out-shank him with this machete." is an acceptable train of thought.

Yes they should, that way you have a direction to point the finger in.

Gas pump fires don't randomly kill people, swimming pools don't randomly kill people, and yes you could kill one person maybe with a screw driver. You need a license to drive a car what getting one for a gun is such bad idea? They both are equally deadly.

So having the government require licensing won't actually make us safer but its ok because we can point the finger at the licensing process. We have licenses to drive cars and laws that make driving while intoxicated illegal yet people still do it. So how do drivers licenses make us safer?

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I see where you are going with this and before you do stop...think, then type. I should not nor anyone else in the US have to arm myself with militaryesque hardware to defend myself & family from a robber/crazy/etc. A simple handgun & shotgun is all that is needed. You want one then a mandatory age limit, psych eval., steep license fee, anything to stop what happens when one idiot does indeed "ruin" it for you. So sorry you'll have to stick with hunting rifles now or should 20 more kids have to die for you to believe it?

You may not need military-esque weapons to defend youself from "A" robber/crazy/etc. What about a group of robbers/crazies/etc? You should have the option to use whatever you deem necessary to defend your life.

So lets say someone meets the mandatory age limit, passes the psych eval, pays the steep license fee. Then one day something in that persons head snaps and they just decide they want to start killing people. How did all those steps prevent that idiot? Meanwhile, someone in that neighborhood couldn't afford the steep license fee and doesn't have a gun to stop the idiot while he kills three families before the cops show up.

So having the government require licensing won't actually make us safer but its ok because we can point the finger at the licensing process. We have licenses to drive cars and laws that make driving while intoxicated illegal yet people still do it. So how do drivers licenses make us safer?

You may not need military-esque weapons to defend youself from "A" robber/crazy/etc. What about a group of robbers/crazies/etc? You should have the option to use whatever you deem necessary to defend your life.

So lets say someone meets the mandatory age limit, passes the psych eval, pays the steep license fee. Then one day something in that persons head snaps and they just decide they want to start killing people. How did all those steps prevent that idiot? Meanwhile, someone in that neighborhood couldn't afford the steep license fee and doesn't have a gun to stop the idiot while he kills three families before the cops show up.

If the US descends into anarchy having an AR15 won't make a damn difference really. So that group is going to kill you regardless because the more guns the bigger target you are. If that is what you meant. By that logic when should be you be able buy standard issue RPG or C4? You said any means right?

You can't prepare for that, no one can. Arming the neighborhood because one person might flip is exactly why they have access to so many weapons when they do. It is not the citzen's job to protect others like him, that is why the police have a job. It is not yours or mine and frankly it should never have to be. Besides what happens when that person tries to stop him & dies? Police have the protection the average citizen does not and that is why they risk their lives like that. I sure as hell wouldn't until he steps on my property, then I have the law on my side at least.

Going back to the license it is a vague idea, something extra needs to be done since nothing is now. You can't expect to hand people assault rifles, not force them to be trained how to be safe with them and expect good results. Sane mind or not, the same can be said for handguns. One of the reasons mine is not loaded in condition zero anymore.

Even though by some miracle my 4 year old gets a hold of it there is no clip with it(stored separately) so the worst she'll get is a bruise if she drops it.

A robber/crazy/etc can attack you with anything. You make it sound as if you feel that if all the guns magically disappear, somehow you would be happy because the playing field would be level. I don't know about you, but in the event that a robber/crazy/etc is coming at me/my family, I don't care what they are using. I want to put them down in the most efficient method possible. I don't know how in your little world "oh gee he only has a kitchen knife. I can totally out-shank him with this machete." is an acceptable train of thought.

A lot actually...with regards to gun accidents...The theory to treat everything else like it's as dangerous and readily usable weapon like a gun with great potential to kill is asinine. Magically by doing this less people will use a gun to kill.

Apparently you skipped over the part where I said I own guns.

My little world, listen yourself, typical...Would you like a rpg just incase he tries to drive a car at you?

A hand gun is just as efficient as a semi-auto rifle. No one is sniping at you from down the street

A lot actually...with regards to gun accidents...The theory to treat everything else like it's as dangerous and readily usable weapon like a gun with great potential to kill is asinine. Magically by doing this less people will use a gun to kill.

Your posts are hard to follow. By treating a gun with great potential to kill, less people will use them to kill other people? What are you trying to say?

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Apparently you skipped over the part where I said I own guns.

Apparently you missed the part where I don't care.

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My little world, listen yourself, typical...Would you like a rpg just incase he tries to drive a car at you?

What would you do if a car was running you down? Stand there and just say "fuck it"?

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A hand gun is just as efficient as a semi-auto rifle. No one is sniping at you from down the street

Why are you so hung up on the idea that you must own an evil black rifle to be toe-to-toe with a robber/crazy/etc?