Oh no, I won't have it for about three more weeks. There's a lot more to go through to get my hands on this thing.

1. I need the local firearms licensee to fax their transcript to the Palmetto State Armory.
2. I need PSA to process that license and ship the controlled item.
3. I need to go to the local licensee to register it with the ATF and take a written exam.
4. I need to wait ten days while a background check is conducted._________________Glock 32 Gen 4

The light will help you stay out of prison by minimizing the chances of shooting your sleep-walking neighbor. Good ones are bright enough to cause temporary blindness at night, reducing the probability of having to shoot in order to gain control of an intruder. Also helpful in staying out prison is pre-loading progressively more lethal rounds in the magazine (just about everything is available for 12-gauge):
(1) die-marking beanbag
(2) bb-size rock salt in a #7 birdshot shell
(3) 00 rubber buckshot
(4) #7 birdshot
(5) buckshot
(6) 00 buckshot
Carry 4 more 00 buck on stock

Carbines are useless. Get a real rifle.

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You could opt for UK style self defense. A stern ticking off - although
obviously - not too stern, that could cause issues for the intruder._________________Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood"

You want me to get that big-ass thing for inside my house? That's insane. With this carbine* I'm getting, I can at least collapse the stock for indoor maneuverability.

* The faggotry we have in California says the barrel has to be at least 16", so it's not a real carbine.

The shotgun round will not go through the intruder and three walls like that .223 round would._________________The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
George Orwell

Does that mean I get to point my finger at them, or am I reduced to just yelling?

Well, if you suggest anger management classes beforehand the courts might
not come down so heavily and allow both.

Actually, whilst we're on the subject - how does one go about obtaining a firearm in your neck of the
woods ? Presumably you need a licence ?_________________Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood"

Upon ordering the weapon, you undergo a ten-day background check. Assuming you pass, the firearm is then registered to you by the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms). Individual states may have further stipulations, though.

EDIT: I'm paying $85 just to get this thing in my name._________________Glock 32 Gen 4

Personally, I think the 18-inch with a normal butt-stock is plenty maneuverable, more generally useful, and it's less likely to land your ass in prison (it's harder to look like an innocent victim who was just defending himself when the prosecution shows the jury your friggin military-style combat shotgun or your "assault rifle" that's pretty much useless, at least in their eyes, for anything but killing people).

Oh no, I won't have it for about three more weeks. There's a lot more to go through to get my hands on this thing.

1. I need the local firearms licensee to fax their transcript to the Palmetto State Armory.
2. I need PSA to process that license and ship the controlled item.
3. I need to go to the local licensee to register it with the ATF and take a written exam.
4. I need to wait ten days while a background check is conducted.

Step 0: leave California.

from your location, for gun owner friendly states, the nearest in 4 directions would be Alaska, Idaho, Nevada and Oregon. Utah is also a good choice, as is Montana. Washington and California both severly restrict NFA weapons.

wswartzendruber wrote:

]* The faggotry we have in California says the barrel has to be at least 16", so it's not a real carbine.

Um, that's not totally true. What restricts that is a federal law, the National Firearms Act of 1934. anything shorter than 16" (18" shotgun) is considered a class III weapon, and requires registration and a $200 tax. from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#California]wikipedia[/url]:

However, if you have a hardon for a short length, you can get a tactical version of it, which has a collapsable stock, pistol grip, and is matte black. That's also available with a 14-inch barrel (instead of the legal-everywhere 18-inch), which might be illegal where you are or require a permit of some kind.

Personally, I think a 14" shotgun is the ideal Home Defense Weapon. my concern with any long arm is it being long enough to grab when going around corners. however, as you noted,

Bonecracker wrote:

less likely to land your ass in prison (it's harder to look like an innocent victim who was just defending himself when the prosecution shows the jury your friggin military-style combat shotgun or your "assault rifle" that's pretty much useless, at least in their eyes, for anything but killing people).