Only time will tell ... unless time itself is ripped apart and a major tear in time/space sends us all into another dimension or another reality.

(wonder if that reality would be better than this one? :D )

NonConformist

09-18-2008, 05:19 PM

Well, it was nice knowing you!

Gingersnap

09-18-2008, 05:33 PM

We'll start the usual End Of The World As We Know It thread in the Lounge next week. Be sure to bring the good beer this time.

IanMartins

09-18-2008, 05:54 PM

We'll start the usual End Of The World As We Know It thread in the Lounge next week. Be sure to bring the good beer this time.

Sounds good. I bet I'll get the opportunity to use the following quote a few times:

The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live.--Thomas Jefferson

Sonnabend

09-18-2008, 06:01 PM

First Big Bang set for Next Week

Eccentrica Gallumbits is coming here? :eek:

Elspeth

09-18-2008, 06:05 PM

Now, they were supposed to wait until 2012 to be in sinc with the Mayan calendar. Don't those damned scientists know anything?

Ranger Rick

09-18-2008, 07:37 PM

Well, this is the first test. I sure full power won't be for another four years.

JB

09-18-2008, 07:44 PM

I just picked up this baby, used, off craigslist. Hope there aren't any tears in it:

http://static.flickr.com/1227/722660200_6c34765d10.jpg

See you all in the sixth dimension.

Bubba Dawg

09-18-2008, 08:43 PM

We'll start the usual End Of The World As We Know It thread in the Lounge next week. Be sure to bring the good beer this time.

I'll bring extraMy first trip through a worm-hole and you're bringing PBR? Remind me to kill you as we pass Saturn.

Gingersnap

09-18-2008, 09:07 PM

Really, you people could pony up some Sam Adams at least this time.

Bubba Dawg

09-18-2008, 09:34 PM

My first trip through a worm-hole and you're bringing PBR? Remind me to kill you as we pass Saturn.

Okay, I can adjust.

I'll bring the good stuff, with Gusto....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Dw-LRDiec&feature=related

Cold Warrior

09-18-2008, 09:41 PM

Is this a continuation of the thread from a few weeks ago regarding the "virgin" who was autioning off her assets?

Gingersnap

09-18-2008, 09:46 PM

Is this a continuation of the thread from a few weeks ago regarding the "virgin" who was autioning off her assets?

Close! But no cigar.

We wouldn't trot out the good beer for that one. :D

FlaGator

09-18-2008, 10:29 PM

Anyone willing to be that the Higgs boson is not detected?

Zathras

09-19-2008, 01:42 AM

My first trip through a worm-hole and you're bringing PBR? Remind me to kill you as we pass Saturn.

Hell with the beer. If we're going through a wormhole I'm bringing these guys...

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/alternatereality/SG1.jpg

Goldwater

09-19-2008, 04:49 AM

Can someone save me the time and tell me when we all die?

GrumpyOldLady

09-19-2008, 07:56 AM

Can someone save me the time and tell me when we all die?

When the collider gets going then time and space will cease to be.
Therefore there is no time and place to tell you of. :D

Seriously though ... I have no idea what day or time. This just said 'next week'.

FlaGator

09-19-2008, 09:25 AM

Can someone save me the time and tell me when we all die?

You won't really die. You will cease to exist. You will never have been born so there will be no you to die.

FlaGator

09-19-2008, 03:21 PM

Sounds good. I bet I'll get the opportunity to use the following quote a few times:

The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live.--Thomas Jefferson

When you do, may I respond with this one

The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Moses Robinson, 1801, ME 10:237

IanMartins

09-19-2008, 04:21 PM

When you do, may I respond with this one
The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Moses Robinson, 1801, ME 10:237

A good quote. He phrased it cleverly (as always), praising Christianity without revealing that he himself was an agnostic/deitist. It is admitted to in his letter to Thomas Paine:

To Thomas Paine: Dear Sir, --Your favour of September 11, was duly received. It is with great delight to hear of you coming our way. May I say with all frankness, Mr. Paine, that you should take my advice and express nothing publicly regarding your religion. The people aren't ready for your views. Trust me, the time is not right and you'll be a much happier person. Do as I have done. Since religion is "solely between man and his God," even those closest to me never knew exactly what I believed.
--Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson certainly had a strong faith in God, though not in the doctrines of the man-made religions. He was more open about this in the later stages of his life:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
--Thomas Jefferson

An enigmatic and enlightened individual -- no doubt about that. :)

Elspeth

09-19-2008, 05:58 PM

You won't really die. You will cease to exist. You will never have been born so there will be no you to die.

Well that will erase those subprime loans.

FlaGator

09-19-2008, 07:25 PM

A good quote. He phrased it cleverly (as always), praising Christianity without revealing that he himself was an agnostic/deitist. It is admitted to in his letter to Thomas Paine:

Thomas Jefferson certainly had a strong faith in God, though not in the doctrines of the man-made religions. He was more open about this in the later stages of his life:

An enigmatic and enlightened individual -- no doubt about that. :)

He was an deist with atheistic tendencies but he had a lot of respect for the beliefs and values of Christianity. He had a lot to say about the benefit to societies that adopting much of the Christian ethic could provide. In fact he saw religion as a positive on society in that a common set of moral and ethic values led to more rational and law abiding behavior in said society's citizens.

FlaGator

09-19-2008, 07:27 PM

Well that will erase those subprime loans.

I work for a bank. Trust me, even though you may have never existed you still owe on those mortgages. It's called the Greenspan Certainty Principle.

IanMartins

09-19-2008, 07:54 PM

He was an deist with atheistic tendencies but he had a lot of respect for the beliefs and values of Christianity. He had a lot to say about the benefit to societies that adopting much of the Christian ethic could provide. In fact he saw religion as a positive on society in that a common set of moral and ethic values led to more rational and law abiding behavior in said society's citizens.

That's true, and his wisdom is reflected in one of his greatest works, the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_vsrf.html). I have no problem with Christian individuals and organizations, and in fact admire the principled ones, as long as they don't violate this statute and attempt to impose their religion on others through coercion by government.

A summary of the statute:

The imposition of anything on a human mind, which God made to be free, is hypocritical and wrong.

"Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free", God never forced anyone to follow him, and the imposition of a religion by government officials is impious.

The coercion of a person to make contributions—especially monetary—to a religion he doesn't support is tyrannical and creates favoritism among ministers.

Civil rights do not depend on religious beliefs, and what a person thinks is no business of the government.

I did not foresee a thread about CERN and the LHC beam turning into a discussion on Thomas Jefferson, though if I had my way, all threads would take a similar path. ;)

Dan D. Doty

09-19-2008, 08:24 PM

The future is upon us.

Gingersnap

09-19-2008, 08:48 PM

I'm pretty sure that not every post which happens to reference Christianity needs to be turned into a Christianity Debate thread.

Amusing as that can be, it's better handled in very specific REL threads with known ground rules.

Elspeth

09-19-2008, 09:18 PM

I work for a bank. Trust me, even though you may have never existed you still owe on those mortgages. It's called the Greenspan Certainty Principle.

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jinxmchue

09-19-2008, 11:21 PM

Wouldn't it suck if the collider did produce a big bang and it actually turned out that it was the big bang that started this universe? Time loop!

Dan D. Doty

09-19-2008, 11:31 PM

What CERN will bring about is microscopic blackholes that we can use for a power source in the future.

We live in an age of mircules and wonders ....

FlaGator

09-20-2008, 12:33 AM

Wouldn't it suck if the collider did produce a big bang and it actually turned out that it was the big bang that started this universe? Time loop!

Just what I need. More reruns on TV.

Goldwater

09-20-2008, 08:47 AM

Wouldn't it suck if the collider did produce a big bang and it actually turned out that it was the big bang that started this universe? Time loop!

That is amazing.

nacho

09-20-2008, 11:19 AM

Apparently it's offline for a few months now. Like all new expensive toys, it was easily broken:

"It's too early to say precisely what happened, but it seems to be a faulty electrical connection between two magnets that stopped superconducting, melted and led to a mechanical failure and let the helium out," Gillies told The Associated Press.