There is nothing wrong with taking a bath, eating a chicken or shaving your junk! Seriously, why can't I go to an event without the dirt kidds riding me about my impact on the planet BC I make my hygiene a daily concern?

I sit and hope that an alligator will pop out of the water and attack you from behind the entire time I am smiling and agreeing with your over bearing views about my personal practices and how they damage the environment.

I'm willing to wager that I impact the environment far less than you do!

Posted:23rd Jul 2010Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNoviceSkaters totally PWNed the Punks and Metalheads skaters? skaters? Come on EoN. You might as well have said that rudies make a greater impact and ska is a long dead corpse.

"Are you sure it's safe to drink bleach?""Yes, bleach is 90% water, we are 90% water, therefore: we are bleach."-Nathan Explosion, Metalocalypse

Posted:23rd Jul 2010Hmmm, skaters have had the most influence on style, fashion, marketing, and music on a multigenre level.

Punks and Metalheads are only relevant within their circles. Who made big pants enter the realm of socially acceptable first? Skaters. Without who would many shoes and clothing companies not exist? Skaters. Who is responsible for the Vans Warped Tour? Skaters. Who influenced the creations of the X-Games and multi-brand sponsorships outside or organized athletics? Skaters.

Okay, Punks are partially responsible for the Goth scene which was taken over by the Emos which killed them both... But Skaters still win the PWNage I think!

You can present your case though!

~Rock on!~

"As the pattern gets more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough"-Waking Life

Posted:23rd Jul 2010And 13th century Britain didn't have Applebee's, but the Magna Carta is still the foundation of the American constitution. Skater culture is largely a trivial and accessible development of punk culture.

Little to show that isn't already aware. Skaters are to punks what shrikes are to crows: different enough but still part of the larger family. The skate scene became more socially acceptable over time. It was easier to buy out because it lacked any pretense of social ideology which most of the other tribes tried to adopt (skinheads, crusties, oi! punks, etc. etc.) Bands like NOFX or the aforementioned GC are more presentable than Aus Rotten, Crass, Last Resort or (old) The Unseen. Skating could be organised into an actual sport unlike say getting drunk, protesting and not bathing. It was easier to push baggy denim pants to trendy kids than tight plaid bondage pants. Skating is simply the most successful branch economically and in some ways socially because its not as extreme. On the other hand there was the ska scene: the music was terrible, the fashion was atrocious and they never even pretended to believe in anything that a few listeners might use as a reason to make change in their own lives. Not to mention the logistics of bands organizing a collection of eight or more musicians to focus all their efforts. Thusly it never took off. Skating started off firmly in punk roots and still possessed much of that mentality when it really went mainstream and was taken up by pretty much everyone. Time and acceptance have worn away a lot of the rebellious edge. Baggy denim and a board attract less attention than straight white laces on oxblood boots or a spiky leather jacket. Somebody who's focus is learning a new trick is more of a novelty than a vegan who makes homemade clothes while listening to Dead Kennedys and will at least try to present a case for social rebellion. Blah end of rant, if this seems disjointed its because I did this whole thing on my phone so editing is bothersome. If it doesn't make any sense read it over a few times and get the gist of what I'm saying.

Still its all moot: metal trumps all the aforementioned and its true. A far more enduring subculture with much more success in many ways.

Oh yeah, back on topic... yay hippies! Go team!

"Are you sure it's safe to drink bleach?""Yes, bleach is 90% water, we are 90% water, therefore: we are bleach."-Nathan Explosion, Metalocalypse

BTW I never knew one skater (I ran in a pack with them as a kid) who listened to punk. They all listened to grunge and alternative, wore big pants and flannel, and totally PWN all other scenes on shoes.

I'll wear DCs and Elements til the day I die! Even to the rave...

Hook-Ups was the best brand ever for Decks and Shirts anybody remember their gear? They must've went out of business when Anime was no longer underground and really started sucking by like 2000 at the very latest.

~Rock on!~

"As the pattern gets more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough"-Waking Life