Love Zimmer (and JNH's) work on TDKT, but I thought his MoS score was incredibly lacking.

I'd like to see a new composer for BvS, but that's just me.

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The MOS score was AMAZING. Arcade is one of my favorite tracks. This project needs Zimmer but it also needs Zimmer to come up with little themes for Batman that are brand new. Ill be pissed if he recycles anything.

He should deliver minimal music for the Batman in this. Then when Affleck takes over the director chair, he can find a new composer.

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The MOS score was AMAZING. Arcade is one of my favorite tracks. This project needs Zimmer but it also needs Zimmer to come up with little themes for Batman that are brand new. Ill be pissed if he recycles anything.

He should deliver minimal music for the Batman in this. Then when Affleck takes over the director chair, he can find a new composer.

The thing is that he does seem to recycle things. You hear quite a few similiarities in his work which sound like just an improvisation/variation on another previous theme. Of course with composers, their work might sound similar but should still be distinct enough.

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If we're concerned about composers recycling themes, we should get James Horner.

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I liked Zimmer's MOS soundtrack ("If you love these people" is a fave of mine), and his Begins soundtrack grew on me a lot.

But other than that I hate the guy for superhero movies. I want a return to the Williams-esque type scores. This one or two note **** over and over again.....sucks. And I know Zimmer can do a little better than that with some stuff he's done....but good god, man, most of his stuff is just the same two notes over and over. It sucks. There's no build or bridge, no wonder or sweep to it.

It's like Elfman with the Burton Batman and Raimi Spider-Man. Now it's Zimmer with the Nolan Batman and Webb Spider-Man.

I guess my avy's appropriate for this post/comment I'm making. But I'm definitely seeing a pattern between some of the projects Elfman and Zimmer work on. Both scored a Mission Impossible movie, a Hannibal Lector movie. Elfman wrote "The Simpsons" theme, while Zimmer scored "The Simpsons Movie". Zimmer , of course scored MOS, but if Burton's "Superman Lives" got made (and thank goodness it didn't) Elfman would've scored that as well

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He better give us a new Batman if he does it. I don't want him recycling his Nolan theme.

Eventhough I'd rather somebody else score this SvsB movie, which obviously won't happen. I hope Hans comes with a real theme for this "new" Batman. Instead of a dozen themes/motifs that reflects Bruce's various personality traits from TDKT. Affleck's Batman supposedly is older and more experienced than Nolan's/Bale's. So he should earn his theme this time. It's going to be tough for Zimmer to not fall back on one of those dozen themes/motifs b/c I felt some were underdeveloped in the Nolan trilogy. He might try to develop one, but I honestly don't know what to expect. He seems to be game for a brand new Batman theme.

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But other than that I hate the guy for superhero movies. I want a return to the Williams-esque type scores. This one or two note **** over and over again.....sucks. And I know Zimmer can do a little better than that with some stuff he's done....but good god, man, most of his stuff is just the same two notes over and over. It sucks. There's no build or bridge, no wonder or sweep to it.

I agree. I am not a fan of his superhero scores either. He's isn't really good at 'em, imo. And these movies seem to get the worse out of him, imho.

That was one of the first things (out of a list of things) I thought of when Hans was announced as composer for TAS-M2. I wouldn't mind WB getting Horner for SvsB, but I know I'm in the minority on that. I also know that that won't happen. It's a shame Horner won't return forTAS-M2. I was really looking forward to what he'd come up with for sequel. Oh well.

The thing is that he does seem to recycle things. You hear quite a few similiarities in his work which sound like just an improvisation/variation on another previous theme. Of course with composers, their work might sound similar but should still be distinct enough.

The thing that bothers me about Zimmer's work on TDKT was that most of his best work was on Batman Begins. There was a moody and brooding side he captured beautifully in that score (I still love it), and there wasn't much of an expansion of it in the next two films. (And there was a promising theme that Zimmer abandoned in the next entries.)

Plus the scores for TDK and TDKR re-used a lot of Zimmer's music. Not just thematic material, but Zimmer merely rearranges and trims previously composed tracks to fit existing scenes. (Like the Arkham Asylum rescue music in BB re-arranged for the Hong Kong night time sequence in TDK.) I was really disappointed when the final cue from TDK was inserted in the final scenes for TDKR... instead of a new final cue.

I blame Nolan for suffering from temp-track love, and for Zimmer not having the balls to say "let me do something different". It's not the first time this has happened with Zimmer and a franchise entry -- POTC 4 had the exact same problem, music-wise.

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The Batman scores are interesting in that, yes, they re-use a lot of material but at the same time both TDK and TDKR introduce a TON of new music. TDKR especially. Each film kind of has its own musical identity, IMO.

Zimmer answered about how I expected he would. Kind of torn but somewhat interested. I'm glad he mentioned doing a new Batman theme, it's mandatory IMO. I don't want to hear Barbastella pounding the subwoofer when I see Batfleck for the first time. It'd be like cheating an emotional response. The same way it would've been if they had used Elfman's theme for Batman Begins.

I still think Zimmer should consider working with a collaborator to pass the Batman torch to while he stays focused on Superman. Bah, this shouldn't even be an issue. I blame WB for "smuggling" Batman back into it as Zimmer put it.

I think Zimmer/Snyder should score/direct the opening 'trilogy' of the universe:

2013 Man of Steel
2015 World's Finest
2017 Justice League

Meh! I hope not. WB needs to be more diverse. They're already relying too much on Goyer for these DC movies. They really need to think outside the box. You don't see Marvel relying on the same writers, directors, and composers for each franchise.

Meh! I hope not. WB needs to be more diverse. They're already relying too much on Goyer for these DC movies. They really need to think outside the box. You don't see Marvel relying on the same writers, directors, and composers for each franchise.

I say this based on the info we've got about Goyer. Isn't he slated to be the screenwriter for JL? Three picture deal?

The Batman scores are interesting in that, yes, they re-use a lot of material but at the same time both TDK and TDKR introduce a TON of new music. TDKR especially. Each film kind of has its own musical identity, IMO.

Zimmer answered about how I expected he would. Kind of torn but somewhat interested. I'm glad he mentioned doing a new Batman theme, it's mandatory IMO. I don't want to hear Barbastella pounding the subwoofer when I see Batfleck for the first time. It'd be like cheating an emotional response. The same way it would've been if they had used Elfman's theme for Batman Begins.

Well said. Mentally he was done with Batman but chances are he will do this movie. It would be an interesting scenario, as if Elfman had to come in and provide something different to what he did before. What would it sound like?

I like Zim's TDK trilogy Bat scores, but the complete scores, the cues as they appear in the film, really elevates the appreciation on my end. Goldenthal was good, but not to the level of Elfman or Zimmer, IMO.

I have loved Hans Zimmer's superhero work. The Dark Knight has one of my favourite film scores, and years later there are many tracks I still listen to repeatedly. But if Zimmer did end up not doing this film, and I could choose any composer to take over score duties, it would be Clint Mansell. Guy is a beast!