Square Enix could put even the most ardent of hoarders to shame; they have truly mastered the art of withholding. It was only today, during Sony’s E3 2013 press conference, that the developer finally drew years of red tape, smoke. mirrors, and veiling away from two of the most anticipated titles in gaming—much less next-gen—history.

Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV (previously known under the moniker of Final Fantasy Versus XIII) have been officially announced as working titles. We have absolutely no timeframe for either, and no footage from Kingdom Hearts 3 was shown. However, let the record show that both titles are things, and they are both on their way.