ATD 2013 - Draft Thread II

1). The draft will last 25 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 4 extra picks.

Now on a 10 hour clock.

2). The time windows will be tight but reasonable.

12 hour clock for the first two rounds, (sending a shortlist to another GM highly encouraged here)

then 10 hour clock for rounds 3-6,

then 8 hour clock for rounds 7-14,

then 6 hour clock for rounds 15-20,

then 4 hour clock for rounds 21-25

One hour time window deduction for each skipped pick (two hour deduction for missing a 12 hour clock - leave a list), with a minimum 4 hour clock guaranteed regardless of deductions.

3). Trades

Trading is to be reasonably fair and balanced and lopsided trades will need to be re-worked or dropped. This is at the discretion of the trade committee.

Each team may make up to 8 trades.

A submitted trade counts towards the maximum, even if it is vetoed (exception - first time GMs). Don't submit lopsided trades.

No more than 4 assets per team may be traded at a time.

Swapping all positions before the draft doesn't count as a "trade" for the purposes of the above rules.

Trading while on the clock is allowed. However, using your entire clock to openly shop a pick annoys your fellow GMs, so do it sparingly. If GMs abuse trading on the clock, a rule could be added against it

4). At the conclusion of the draft, there will be a 10 day period for lineup assassinations. Assassinations will be divided by division.

5). Regular season rankings MUST BE VOTED ON by at least one GM (if the team is co-GM'd) per team. The penalty if not done is a potential lowering in the standings because each GM will rank his own team first. Co-GMs who both vote each get half a vote for the regular season rankings in their own division.

6). All Teams make the playoffs. Playoffs will be cross-divisional - Seed 1 will face Seed 4 from the adjacent division, and Seed 2 will face Seed 3 from the adjacent division.

7). REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFF VOTING TO BE A SET RESPONSIBILITY.

8). NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!!!

9). PM the next team after you have made your pick. THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL!

Yea, yea, they played together in the NHL, but I think a Gretzky - Geoffrion duo is more dangerous than Gretzky - Kurri

Blasphemy! It's hard to imagine a duo click better than Gretzky-Kurri did. They were like extensions of the same creature. Their coordination was legendary. We were in awe. The duo was enduringly fantastic. Could there really have been a better wing man for Gretz? The case needs to be made.

More dangerous offensively, definitely. Definitely more prone to goals against than Gretzky-Kurri though.

If I have Gretzky on my team, I want to make him the most dangerous offensive player of all the draft. I understand the point of having Jari Kurri, but give me Bernard Geoffrion everyday over Kurri. I'll manage something on my left wing.

Blasphemy! It's hard to imagine a duo click better than Gretzky-Kurri did. They were like extensions of the same creature. Their coordination was legendary. We were in awe. The duo was enduringly fantastic. Could there really have been a better wing man for Gretz? The case needs to be made.

Personally, I think what made the combination special was 90% Gretzky and 10% Kurri. That's not to denigrate Jari Kurri, who was a fantastic player, but I think with enough time and practice to learn how Gretzky ticked, many wings with talent and intelligence could have achieved a high level of synergy with the great one. Working well with others was one of Wayne's great talents.

If I have Gretzky on my team, I want to make him the most dangerous offensive player of all the draft. I understand the point of having Jari Kurri, but give me Bernard Geoffrion everyday over Kurri. I'll manage something on my left wing.

I agree with this. It's great that Kurri combines such good offense with his defense, but why does it have to be him who provides Gretzky's line with a defensive presence? There's plenty of options this early.

Personally, I think what made the combination special was 90% Gretzky and 10% Kurri. That's not to denigrate Jari Kurri, who was a fantastic player, but I think with enough time and practice to learn how Gretzky ticked, many wings with talent and intelligence could have achieved a high level of synergy with the great one. Working well with others was one of Wayne's great talents.

The greatest duo I've ever seen was Gretz-Kurri. Many, many others agree (though sturm and EB aren't among them, apparently). A flippant off-the-cuff statement to the contrary needs substantive proof to be at all persuasive.

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Originally Posted by Sturminator

....90% Gretzky and 10% Kurri....

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Neither man was big, nor blazing fast. Apart they were wonderful, but together simply unmatchable.

For more years than defensemen care to remember, Wayne Gretzky was the brains behind the operation, and Jari Kurri drove the getaway car. It's difficult now to think of them separately. Nobody, but nobody, used to set it to music like 99 and 17.

"Jari Kurri," says Oilers general manager and former teammate xxxxx, "was underrated as a player. I really believe that. Sounds crazy, as much as he accomplished, but that's the truth."

It's not for nothing that the quiet Finn was among the Top 50 players of the century as selected by The Hockey News. But being Gretzky's sidekick was both a blessing, and a curse.

"What people tended to overlook was that to play with Gretz, a guy needed a lot of natural ability just to be able to read what he was going to do," points out xxxx. "People just thought 'Well, no wonder he scores. He's out there with Gretzky all the time!' Sorry, but it wasn't that simple. Nobody could see a game, think a game, like Wayne. A lot of guys would get out there with him and just be totally lost. He was so far ahead of them.

"He wasn't ahead of Jari. There were on the same wavelength almost from the word 'Go.'"

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Because of his offensive abilities, Kurri wasn't given adequate credit for the almost unparalleled two-way game he played. His commitment to defence allowed Gretzky more freedom to create, to roam, to inflict the sort of damage he alone was capable of.

"The unfortunate thing about Jari is that he played at a time when they didn't vote the Selke Trophy to offensive players," says xxxxx. "Either Fedorov or Yzerman won it one year and then it became fashionable. Before that, it was low-scoring players only.

"This guy was good enough defensively that he could've won five or six Selkes."

If I have Gretzky on my team, I want to make him the most dangerous offensive player of all the draft. I understand the point of having Jari Kurri, but give me Bernard Geoffrion everyday over Kurri. I'll manage something on my left wing.

I agree with this. It's great that Kurri combines such good offense with his defense, but why does it have to be him who provides Gretzky's line with a defensive presence? There's plenty of options this early.

The biggest fault I find in Gretzky - Geoffrion is that the line at this point lacks both defense and puckwinning. Yes, I know Boom-Boom wasn't soft, but he's also not going to be mistaken for a board guy anytime soon. Kurri gives more balance, and makes the line easier to complete, without going "full plugger" at LW.

"What people tended to overlook was that to play with Gretz, a guy needed a lot of natural ability just to be able to read what he was going to do," points out Lowe. "People just thought 'Well, no wonder he scores. He's out there with Gretzky all the time!' Sorry, but it wasn't that simple. Nobody could see a game, think a game, like Wayne. A lot of guys would get out there with him and just be totally lost. He was so far ahead of them."

You think Bernie Geoffrion fits into the "a lot of guys" category, VanI?

The biggest fault I find in Gretzky - Geoffrion is that the line at this point lacks both defense and puckwinning. Yes, I know Boom-Boom wasn't soft, but he's also not going to be mistaken for a board guy anytime soon. Kurri gives more balance, and makes the line easier to complete, without going "full plugger" at LW.

Well, a full plugger LW worked for arrbez last year, and he stilll had Kurri!

Well, a full plugger LW worked for arrbez last year, and he stilll had Kurri!

I think a lot of people went awfully easy on him for that. I was impressed neither by his 1st line LW, nor by his entire 2nd line. But then, ATD 2012 was the year of [one elite offensive player] + [defense, defense, defense] = win. Three of the four conference finalists were all built on basically the same concept. I have never seen such strategic homogeneity in the draft before, and I hope I never see it again.

The greatest duo I've ever seen was Gretz-Kurri. Many, many others agree (though sturm and EB aren't among them, apparently). A flippant off-the-cuff statement to the contrary needs substantive proof to be at all persuasive.

I think a lot of people went awfully easy on him for that. I was impressed neither by his 1st line LW, nor by his entire 2nd line. But then, ATD 2012 was the year of [one elite offensive player] + [defense, defense, defense] = win. Three of the four conference finalists were all built on basically the same concept. I have never seen such strategic homogeneity in the draft before, and I hope I never see it again.