Anyone getting this game? My wife is picking my reserved copy up today, and I'm going to 'attempt' to play online this evening. With everybody and their brother buying this, the servers will probably crash by the weekend and I'll be back on MW2.

If you already got it, let me know how it is. I'm expecting the online play will suck for about a month or so.

I've got it downloading on Steam here at work and at home...few hours to go. I thought MW2 was kind of crappy compared to COD4MW but I heard that Black Ops is excellent, so I am excited to play and re-establish my COD dominance

Any first person shooter is better on the PC. A mouse is a requirement for any FPS. Why do you think they never combine online PC players with online console players? The PC ones would spank the ever-loving hell out of the console players

RolandDeschain wrote:Any first person shooter is better on the PC. A mouse is a requirement for any FPS. Why do you think they never combine online PC players with online console players? The PC ones would spank the ever-loving hell out of the console players

For once I will agree with you. That + the level of skill among PC players is significantly higher. A majority of console users who try to convert to PC tend to get pwned pretty often and go back to their PS3s and 360s. The FPS genre was invented for PC back in the 90s so you have some pretty hardcore peeps on there. It's actually really sad how so many developers have gone from porting PC games to console, to now the other way around. I think Valve is one of the last true PC FPS developers.

Well, from a developer standpoint, programming for consoles is win-win. There is no downside. You have a less fickle audience that cares less about content and is less vested in the long-term playability of any given title. PC users are stuffy, picky, ornery and harder to please by comparison. That's not an accurate assessment of PC gamers, it's just that console gamers as a whole are more sheep-like, lol. They'll stand for lower quality in games in many ways that PC gamers won't.

Now if you are interested in making truly amazing games...making it for the PC then porting it is your best shot. It'll be a higher quality game, most likely. This is all a generalization, there are plenty of exceptions, blahblahblah.

I shudder to think of what the Quake franchise would have been like had it been a console-only one.

RolandDeschain wrote:Well, from a developer standpoint, programming for consoles is win-win. There is no downside. You have a less fickle audience that cares less about content and is less vested in the long-term playability of any given title. PC users are stuffy, picky, ornery and harder to please by comparison. That's not an accurate assessment of PC gamers, it's just that console gamers as a whole are more sheep-like, lol. They'll stand for lower quality in games in many ways that PC gamers won't.

Now if you are interested in making truly amazing games...making it for the PC then porting it is your best shot. It'll be a higher quality game, most likely. This is all a generalization, there are plenty of exceptions, blahblahblah.

I shudder to think of what the Quake franchise would have been like had it been a console-only one.

Agreed. It's only natural for them to develop for the largest market, but it still sucks!

ElDoceHombre wrote:what isn't realistic about being a super ninja extreme package with the mega jesse owens package carrying nothing but a grenade launcher and switchblade?

I hear you on that one. My biggest pet peeve on the game is these you're talking about, except they usually have akimbo shotguns instead of a 203. They do that because they suck and can't shoot (and they're probably 12yr olds). Any future versions of CoD need to eliminate Marathon/Lightweight/Commando as perks, or make it so you can't combine any of those perks together.

Didn't mean for this to turn in to a PC v console thread... I'm sure both have their +/-.

Yeah that was also my biggest gripe against MW2. They took a great perk system from COD4 and packed too much in to make it more "extreme" and it just ended up ruining the balance and thus making the entire game more of a novelty that pandered to the lowest common denominator. It reminds me of when Yoplait started marketing "Gogurt Extreme Rush". How is yogurt in a tube extreme or a rush???

Well i can tell you in MW2 not a lot improved, but definitely regressed. I found myself playing more BC2 instead because in addition to Valve's games I enjoy a good milsim shooter. I am 3 hours away from finding out if Black Ops is any good. I think it goes without question that no COD game will ever come close to the quality of anything in Valve's catalog.

Ok - played it. Managed to make it through one level of campaign mode before I got online with my buddy. I usually get my butt kicked my first time out, but I only had one match out of about 5 or 6 that sucked. Overall I like the online play. The maps seem a lot bigger and more intricate. Uhh.. I guess that's all I got since I didn't get to play a whole lot (have a job in the am). I haven't set up any classes yet or anything. Man, I can't wait until my day off!

And for console people, at least PS3 like myself, you can set the game searches to local, so it seems to me there is WAY less lag than MW2, or maybe I just got lucky and got in a good group.

Just finished the SP in 2 after-work sessions. It is way better than MW2. It's only like 6 hours, but holy shit there isn't a moment where you're not blown away...to those who have beaten it already...base jumping.

6 Hours to beat a game? That's terrible in my eye. I'm not asking for a 20+ hour grind... but to be able to finish a game in one sitting is weaksauce.

Yes, I know all about the multi-player, but I think games should be able to stand as a single-player game. If not, why even bother offering single-player. That's why I think a game like TF2 is better than any other FPS out there. It is and always will be a multiple-player game that requires a true team to succeed./end rant.

sammyc521 wrote:6 Hours to beat a game? That's terrible in my eye. I'm not asking for a 20+ hour grind... but to be able to finish a game in one sitting is weaksauce.

Yes, I know all about the multi-player, but I think games should be able to stand as a single-player game. If not, why even bother offering single-player. That's why I think a game like TF2 is better than any other FPS out there. It is and always will be a multiple-player game that requires a true team to succeed./end rant.

I feel the same way...all the HL games are closer to 15-20 I think and those are awesome. The story for this one is awesome, but yes, it kinda sucks to pay $60 for something that you finish in 2 days

I've tried this on the pc and I'd have to say the single player campaign was pretty good. I still believe that Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the better game overall though. I can't seem to get enough of that one.

So, I went with Bad Company 2. Been playing hardcore mode and having a blast. BC2: Vietnam drops sometime this month, I think. (Just yesterday morning I snuck around a corner and lo and behold was an entire 4-man squad sneaking along right ahead of me. Chuck a grenade, then go all Rambo on their asses as they tried to scatter. Bwahahaha...)

Bad Company 2 is awesome- it seems more tactical (not very tactical, but at least MORE tactical), more in line with Ghost Recon, as opposed to Call of Duty. That's one of the reasons I like it. People can complain about "camping" all they want, but really, it's a war game- who is really going to go running around in the middle of the road? Haha... and there's nothing quite like blowing through most of the environment- blowing buildings to the ground never gets old.

I tend to like running Recon. Throw out some motion sensors, skulk around. I just finished a round with 7 destroyed vehicles, haha. If you find a good sniper's nest, yeah, I guess one could be accused of camping, but really... once they get a bead on your location you can get hosed pretty fast.

Love the destructible everything. See some dude sneak into a building, punch an RPG through the wall...

BC2 is a blast. It really sucks early on before you start getting good weapons and such, but I'm only level 12 or 13 and I've unlocked some quality weapons, last couple of nights I've been top-3 (of 20+) in room. Plus, you can just follow my strategy and pick up the kits (weapons and items) from dead people on the ground til you get good guns. FWIW, the first couple of pistols are actually legit.

Very team-oriented. Which is usually good, sometimes maddening when the entire room decides to go (recon) sniper and nobody worries about the objectives, but it's not that bad a problem usually.

(Trav - I swear, I haven't seen you logged in once on BC2. Send me a message if you see me online, I'm bad about checking that sort of thing but I'll keep my eyes peeled and we can blow stuff up!)

Sarlacc, on comparing .NET to Soccer: And why not? It's a bunch of people running around in circles, feigning pain, and never scoring.

Sorry, Kyle -- The second I mentioned it, I went on a NBA 2K11 frenzy... Now I'm on a Mass Effect 2 frenzy. Will be back to blowing crap up soon enough. My last few runs, I was playing some serious Tank King with an Engineer. 1.) Blow crap up. 2.) Jump out and fix your tank. 3.) Blow more crap up.

Plus, the last couple of days whenever I try to get into a room it throws me into a room with 5 or fewer people. Maddening.

I keep meaning to do a franchise, but have been having fun with MP. My 5'9" 3pt Point Guard was working on an interesting career before I did the 'Think I have the controls figured out' restart. Drafted by Knicks in mid-late 2nd round, traded with Roger Mason to the Thunder... who somehow decided to move him into the starting lineup, bumping MW back to SG. OKC -then- traded for Marcus Camby -- Trade-happy GM.

My new MP career got me drafted 2nd round early to the 'Blazers. My first Summer Circuit game was a bizarre freakish thing where I got 6 points, 7 boards, and 9 assists. Yeah... 5'9", grabbing 7 rebounds.