All I can think is that they say nothing and the mad king dies in five days time and that the number of cities is 10 or 13.
p.s.
Ah!
It must be something to do with the five days and the other or me not guessing and killing us and what not guessing implies?

So just pick a random number and work through or start from one of them seeing one city?

Arising_uk wrote:All I can think is that they say nothing and the mad king dies in five days time and that the number of cities is 10 or 13.
p.s.
Ah!
It must be something to do with the five days and the other or me not guessing and killing us and what not guessing implies?

So just pick a random number and work through or start from one of them seeing one city?

How many cities?
Anyway, if you and terrain were prisoners, you would be death XD. Surrender if you want and I'll tell you the answer.

Arising_uk wrote:All I can think is that they say nothing and the mad king dies in five days time and that the number of cities is 10 or 13.
p.s.
Ah!
It must be something to do with the five days and the other or me not guessing and killing us and what not guessing implies?

So just pick a random number and work through or start from one of them seeing one city?

How many cities?
Anyway, if you and terrain were prisoners, you would be death XD. Surrender if you want and I'll tell you the answer.

Okay, don't have an answer yet but my thinking has started like this -

A - I'm A, left column is what I could see if there are 13 cities, right is what would be seen otherside.
...........D1.......D2.......D3.......D4.......D5.......D6
0 13 -- Out
1 12 -- Out
2 11 -- Out
3 10 ------------------------Out
4 09
5 08
6 07
7 06
8 05
9 04
10 03 ------------------------Out
11 02 -- Out
12 01 -- Out
13 00 -- Out

A - I'm A, left column is what I could see if there are 10 cities, right is what would be seen otherside.
...........D1.......D2.......D3.......D4.......D5.......D6
0 10 -------------Out
1 09
2 08
3 07
4 06
5 05
6 04
7 03
8 02
9 01
10 00---------------Out

brb

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Arising_uk wrote:Okay, don't have an answer yet but thinking starts like this -

A - I'm A, left column is what I could see if there are 13 cities, right is what would be seen otherside.
...........D1.......D2.......D3.......D4.......D5.......D6
0 13 -- Out
1 12 -- Out
2 11 -- Out
3 10
4 09
5 08
6 07
7 06
8 05
9 04
10 03
11 02 -- Out
12 01 -- Out
13 00 -- Out

A - I'm A, left column is what I could see if there are 10 cities, right is what would be seen otherside.
...........D1.......D2.......D3.......D4.......D5.......D6
0 10
1 09
2 08
3 07
4 06
5 05
6 04
7 03
8 02
9 01
10 00

It is wrong, there are 13 cities, but they see 7 and 6 XD. C'mon if you are at work you have paper don't you? XD

First of all you get all the posible answers
First day.
0+13 X
1+12 X
2+11 X
3+10
4+9
5+8
6+7
or
0+10
1+9
2+8
3+7
4+6
5+5
The first day, if one of them see 13,12 0r 11 cities, then he knows the answer, so, the second day, if some of them see 0,1,or 2 cities, he knows that there aren't 13 cities, or the answer would have been said, so, if some of them is seeing 0,1, or 2 cities, the answer is 10.
second day
3+10
4+9
5+8
6+7
or
0+10 X
1+9 X
2+8 X
3+7
4+6
5+5
The process is simlar all the time, numbers are repeated just one time, now, if one of them is seeing 10,9 or 8 cities, he knows the answer.
third day.
3+10 X
4+9 X
5+8 X
6+7
or
3+7
4+6
5+5
fourth day if you are seeing 3,4,or 5...
6+7
or
3+7 X
4+6 X
5+5 X
fifth day
6+7

So the important information missing from the set-up that should be made explicit is this:

* Every day, the jailer goes to them with one opportunity, and one opportunity ONLY, to answer.
* The prisoners are not required to answer. They must either answer or decline to provide an answer when asked the one time they're asked each day.
* When they choose to answer, they're only released if one gives the right answer, otherwise they're killed.
* Necessarily on the fifth day, they're able to answer correctly and be releaed.

Also, this still hinges on assuming that people are ideal rational agents, but they're not.

For this to be an honest puzzle there would have to be exactly one solution.

Looking at the way I have done it I am missing why it is not a viable solution.

If one person does it as you did it and one as I did it then things may get out of sync.

The problem appears to be the possibility of simplifying mine by taking the steps on day 6 in day 4 etc.

Both solutions will come up with the correct answer but on different days.

Do you see a flaw in what I have done?

6 & 7 would come up on day 9 in my script.

Thanks,

M

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Day
1 Only called as 13 if person sees 11,12,13
2 If you see 0 then call 10 The other person is seeing 10, The only others would be 11,12&13 which would have been called above.
3 If you see 10 then call 13 The other person is seeing 3, if they saw 0 then they would have called at 2
4 If you see 1 then call 10 The other person is seeing 9, if they saw 12 they would have called at 1
5 If you see 9 then call 13 The other person is seeing 4, if they saw 1 they would have called at 4
6 If you see 2 then call 10 The other person is seeing 8, if they saw 11 they would have called at 1
7 If you see 8 then call 13 The other person is seeing 5, if they saw 2 they would have called at 6
8 If you see 3 then call 10 The other person is seeing 7, if they saw 10 they would have called at 3
9 If you see 7 then call 13 The other person is seeing 6, if they saw 3 they would have called at 8
10 If you see 4 then call 10 The other person is seeing 6, if they saw 9 they would have called at 5
11 If you see 6 then call 13 The other person is seeing 7, if they saw 4 they would have called at 10
12 If you see 5 then call 10 The other person is seeing 5, if they saw 8 they would have called at 7

Terrapin Station wrote:So the important information missing from the set-up that should be made explicit is this:

* Every day, the jailer goes to them with one opportunity, and one opportunity ONLY, to answer.
* The prisoners are not required to answer. They must either answer or decline to provide an answer when asked the one time they're asked each day.
* When they choose to answer, they're only released if one gives the right answer, otherwise they're killed.
* Necessarily on the fifth day, they're able to answer correctly and be releaed.

Also, this still hinges on assuming that people are ideal rational agents, but they're not.

I've made it explicit. I said that they can stay there for ever if they never answer. I also said that they are both released as soon as one of them give a correct answer. I didn't say the fourth point, I said they were intelligent.

You just didn't get the answer, in a fair game, we can't always be perfect.