But campaigners oppose the move, claiming the LVRPA is further restricting access to the public space.

A spokeswoman for the Save Lea Marches (SLM) group said: “SLM oppose this latest measure, which is part of a relentless drive to restrict free public access to areas of the marshes for commercial gain, evident at the paddocks and former golf course in Waltham Forest.

“Taken together this is clearly privatisation by stealth of our public land of which the LVRPA are meant to be guardians.”

An LVRPA spokeswoman added increasing numbers of non-registered boats mooring in berths held by registered berth holders prompted the authority to act.

She said: “The land on the edge of Leyton Marsh, including the towpath, the riverbank and part of the waterways, have been owned by Lee Valley Regional Park Authority since 1979.

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The Lee Valley Regional Park Authority implements charges for moorings on the River Lea

Villagecranberry says...10:04am Thu 27 Mar 14

Why shouldn't Rosie and Jim pay like the motorists who get hammered at every angle? Boat owners are a bread who expect perfectly trimmed lawns at Locks, Locks free of sludge , prams and old tyres but think money grows on the trees in the Lock Keepers Lodge House Gardens.

Why shouldn't Rosie and Jim pay like the motorists who get hammered at every angle?
Boat owners are a bread who expect perfectly trimmed lawns at Locks, Locks free of sludge , prams and old tyres but think money grows on the trees in the Lock Keepers Lodge House Gardens.Villagecranberry

Why shouldn't Rosie and Jim pay like the motorists who get hammered at every angle? Boat owners are a bread who expect perfectly trimmed lawns at Locks, Locks free of sludge , prams and old tyres but think money grows on the trees in the Lock Keepers Lodge House Gardens.

Score: -12

northerntracey says...4:59pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few. With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!!

Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few.
With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!!northerntracey

Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few. With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!!

Score: 7

Marsh Lover says...6:03pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private. LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?

Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private.
LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?Marsh Lover

Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private. LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?

Score: 9

myopinioncounts says...6:30pm Thu 27 Mar 14

The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.

The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.myopinioncounts

The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.

Score: 9

northerntracey says...7:04pm Thu 27 Mar 14

The boats near Springfield Marina are the ones who permanently moor there and pay. If this patch is privatized you will only see more of that. Most boaters who move keep their roofs tidy as it is safer for driving. It always makes me laugh how people say scruffy boats don't enhance the area. Do the same people go around complaining about other peoples gardens? Yup I bet they do....

The boats near Springfield Marina are the ones who permanently moor there and pay. If this patch is privatized you will only see more of that. Most boaters who move keep their roofs tidy as it is safer for driving. It always makes me laugh how people say scruffy boats don't enhance the area. Do the same people go around complaining about other peoples gardens? Yup I bet they do....northerntracey

The boats near Springfield Marina are the ones who permanently moor there and pay. If this patch is privatized you will only see more of that. Most boaters who move keep their roofs tidy as it is safer for driving. It always makes me laugh how people say scruffy boats don't enhance the area. Do the same people go around complaining about other peoples gardens? Yup I bet they do....

Score: 7

Villagecranberry says...7:06pm Thu 27 Mar 14

northerntracey wrote…

Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few. With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!!

Oh you have been infected by the 'dredging disease?' The answer to everything? There are mooring charges throughout the country these days and I know as I have a boat. There are various short term free moorings with time limits. I do not understand why you think the Lea should be an exception so some selfish owners can moor their ramshackle acquisition that they bought on eBay for £200 for months or years for nothing whilst they 'do it up'. The canals are full of boats that were 'pipe dreams'.

[quote][p][bold]northerntracey[/bold] wrote:
Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few.
With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!![/p][/quote]Oh you have been infected by the 'dredging disease?' The answer to everything? There are mooring charges throughout the country these days and I know as I have a boat. There are various short term free moorings with time limits.
I do not understand why you think the Lea should be an exception so some selfish owners can moor their ramshackle acquisition that they bought on eBay for £200 for months or years for nothing whilst they 'do it up'.
The canals are full of boats that were 'pipe dreams'.Villagecranberry

northerntracey wrote…

Villagecranberry, boaters DO pay for the privilage of navigating the waterways. A lot of us are ALSO motorists so what is your point? This space in question is suposed to be for everyone not a priviledged few. With regards to the comment by the LVRPA spokesperson, why is it only now that they are saying these moorings are private? If they want to excert their riparian rights then they should invest in a dredger and start cleaning up their riverbed for the boats trying to pass!!!

Oh you have been infected by the 'dredging disease?' The answer to everything? There are mooring charges throughout the country these days and I know as I have a boat. There are various short term free moorings with time limits. I do not understand why you think the Lea should be an exception so some selfish owners can moor their ramshackle acquisition that they bought on eBay for £200 for months or years for nothing whilst they 'do it up'. The canals are full of boats that were 'pipe dreams'.

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E-ten trifles says...7:19pm Thu 27 Mar 14

What is noticeable is that living on a boat for many young people is an answer to the high rents and lack of housing in London . Although it can be a lifestyle choice I think for many boaters find it is the only way to afford to live in a 'one bed' space on their own. The amount of boaters on the canals around here has increased tenfold over the years. As well as the very few who 'make a mess' these boaters have made the canal walkways feel safer and in turn it is now becoming 'desirable' to live by the canal ,attracting developers and privatisation. LVRP do not want people living on these moorings just boat tourists with attractive boats which is a real shame.

What is noticeable is that living on a boat for many young people is an answer to the high rents and lack of housing in London . Although it can be a lifestyle choice I think for many boaters find it is the only way to afford to live in a 'one bed' space on their own. The amount of boaters on the canals around here has increased tenfold over the years. As well as the very few who 'make a mess' these boaters have made the canal walkways feel safer and in turn it is now becoming 'desirable' to live by the canal ,attracting developers and privatisation. LVRP do not want people living on these moorings just boat tourists with attractive boats which is a real shame.E-ten trifles

What is noticeable is that living on a boat for many young people is an answer to the high rents and lack of housing in London . Although it can be a lifestyle choice I think for many boaters find it is the only way to afford to live in a 'one bed' space on their own. The amount of boaters on the canals around here has increased tenfold over the years. As well as the very few who 'make a mess' these boaters have made the canal walkways feel safer and in turn it is now becoming 'desirable' to live by the canal ,attracting developers and privatisation. LVRP do not want people living on these moorings just boat tourists with attractive boats which is a real shame.

Score: 11

Marsh Lover says...7:25pm Thu 27 Mar 14

I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.

I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.Marsh Lover

I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.

Score: 14

Villagecranberry says...9:24pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Marsh Lover wrote…

I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.

I cannot understand why you disagree as we are singing shanty songs from the same song sheet if you read my first comment as well?

[quote][p][bold]Marsh Lover[/bold] wrote:
I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.[/p][/quote]I cannot understand why you disagree as we are singing shanty songs from the same song sheet if you read my first comment as well?Villagecranberry

Marsh Lover wrote…

I disagree villagecranberry. I really do think that the boats make the area safer, interesting and often entertaining. But this is a nature park and people - and it has to be some boaters northerntracey - seem to treat it lie a rubbish dump. Im not a person who would dream or tarring everyone with the same brush - but from Springfield down to Hackney Wick the ARE boaters who strew the path with wood, bike parts, engine bits and all sorts. It's just not on to spoil our beautiful river like that. It's for everyone and we should all take care of it.

I cannot understand why you disagree as we are singing shanty songs from the same song sheet if you read my first comment as well?

Score: -3

Call me Earl says...9:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Unfortunately many of the boat owners on the Lea flout basic safety rules such as double and triple mooring on the crest of bends and under bridges where the river is narrow. Making it difficult for other craft to navigate by forcing a craft onto the wrong side of the river into the path of others coming the other direction. Some do not even know what side of the river they should be on or the maximum speed limit. As for the so called "temporary" moorers. Where do you think some get rid of their toilet waste? Not allocated sites such as Springfield Marina. It goes straight into the river as I have witnessed. During last summer, parts of the towpath between Lea Bridge and Old Ford Lock resembled a travellers camp with rubbish and chairs left out on the path. Many narrow boats seemed not to have a name on them (only a small registration plate) making them difficult to trace when an accident or demeanour happens. I do hope that Lea Valley and the River & Canals Trust can get a grip on these people. However most of the boat owners do act responsibly and obey rules that are there for a reason.

Unfortunately many of the boat owners on the Lea flout basic safety rules such as double and triple mooring on the crest of bends and under bridges where the river is narrow. Making it difficult for other craft to navigate by forcing a craft onto the wrong side of the river into the path of others coming the other direction. Some do not even know what side of the river they should be on or the maximum speed limit. As for the so called "temporary" moorers. Where do you think some get rid of their toilet waste? Not allocated sites such as Springfield Marina. It goes straight into the river as I have witnessed. During last summer, parts of the towpath between Lea Bridge and Old Ford Lock resembled a travellers camp with rubbish and chairs left out on the path. Many narrow boats seemed not to have a name on them (only a small registration plate) making them difficult to trace when an accident or demeanour happens. I do hope that Lea Valley and the River & Canals Trust can get a grip on these people. However most of the boat owners do act responsibly and obey rules that are there for a reason.Call me Earl

Unfortunately many of the boat owners on the Lea flout basic safety rules such as double and triple mooring on the crest of bends and under bridges where the river is narrow. Making it difficult for other craft to navigate by forcing a craft onto the wrong side of the river into the path of others coming the other direction. Some do not even know what side of the river they should be on or the maximum speed limit. As for the so called "temporary" moorers. Where do you think some get rid of their toilet waste? Not allocated sites such as Springfield Marina. It goes straight into the river as I have witnessed. During last summer, parts of the towpath between Lea Bridge and Old Ford Lock resembled a travellers camp with rubbish and chairs left out on the path. Many narrow boats seemed not to have a name on them (only a small registration plate) making them difficult to trace when an accident or demeanour happens. I do hope that Lea Valley and the River & Canals Trust can get a grip on these people. However most of the boat owners do act responsibly and obey rules that are there for a reason.

Score: 7

northerntracey says...11:07am Fri 28 Mar 14

There are always a minority who flout the rules and are messy. Does this give you the right to slurr us all? The canals are safer now with more boaters on them. Little Venice could also be seen as messy and ramshackle but it is now a tourist attraction not because of the canal which lets face it is just a ditch without boats. Yes some people are moving onto boats for the wrong reasons but those people move on when they realise the lifestyle is harder than they thought. These 'moorings' in the article are on land which is meant to be kept in perpetuity for 'the people'. If they allow them to become permanent moorings all the problems you are bringing up will only be worse. Permanent moorings inevitably come with more bits and bobs out on the grass. Take a look at the 'permanent' moorings further up....

There are always a minority who flout the rules and are messy. Does this give you the right to slurr us all? The canals are safer now with more boaters on them. Little Venice could also be seen as messy and ramshackle but it is now a tourist attraction not because of the canal which lets face it is just a ditch without boats. Yes some people are moving onto boats for the wrong reasons but those people move on when they realise the lifestyle is harder than they thought.
These 'moorings' in the article are on land which is meant to be kept in perpetuity for 'the people'. If they allow them to become permanent moorings all the problems you are bringing up will only be worse. Permanent moorings inevitably come with more bits and bobs out on the grass. Take a look at the 'permanent' moorings further up....northerntracey

There are always a minority who flout the rules and are messy. Does this give you the right to slurr us all? The canals are safer now with more boaters on them. Little Venice could also be seen as messy and ramshackle but it is now a tourist attraction not because of the canal which lets face it is just a ditch without boats. Yes some people are moving onto boats for the wrong reasons but those people move on when they realise the lifestyle is harder than they thought. These 'moorings' in the article are on land which is meant to be kept in perpetuity for 'the people'. If they allow them to become permanent moorings all the problems you are bringing up will only be worse. Permanent moorings inevitably come with more bits and bobs out on the grass. Take a look at the 'permanent' moorings further up....

Score: 3

C.J.T. says...3:40pm Fri 28 Mar 14

myopinioncounts wrote…

The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.

Most of the floatsam and jetsam you see in the river is not from boats it is simply the way the flow and current pushes rubbish between the boats and the bank. I have seen boaters using nets to remove rubbish from the water. if you'd like to know where the poloution comes from, look upstream to the industrial parks in Tottenham. Interesting how the water there is so clean and there are as many, if not more boats in the area.

[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote:
The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.[/p][/quote]Most of the floatsam and jetsam you see in the river is not from boats it is simply the way the flow and current pushes rubbish between the boats and the bank. I have seen boaters using nets to remove rubbish from the water. if you'd like to know where the poloution comes from, look upstream to the industrial parks in Tottenham. Interesting how the water there is so clean and there are as many, if not more boats in the area.C.J.T.

myopinioncounts wrote…

The majority of boats I have seen along the Lea (especially near the Springfield Marina) have not moved for months even years. The amount of flotsam & Jetsam around them bears testament to that, so how/where do the boaters empty their toilets ? Most of them look like a floating Steptoe's yards and hardly improve the area.

Most of the floatsam and jetsam you see in the river is not from boats it is simply the way the flow and current pushes rubbish between the boats and the bank. I have seen boaters using nets to remove rubbish from the water. if you'd like to know where the poloution comes from, look upstream to the industrial parks in Tottenham. Interesting how the water there is so clean and there are as many, if not more boats in the area.

Score: 3

Call me Earl says...9:09am Sat 29 Mar 14

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.Call me Earl

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

Score: 2

Villagecranberry says...11:36am Sat 29 Mar 14

Call me Earl wrote…

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?

[quote][p][bold]Call me Earl[/bold] wrote:
As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.[/p][/quote]Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?Villagecranberry

Call me Earl wrote…

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?

Score: -3

myopinioncounts says...3:42pm Sat 29 Mar 14

I was not suggesting that any or all of the flotsam & jetsam around the boats was generated by those boats, merely that it's presence proved that the boats had not moved in a very long time. I know how heavy a 'portaloo' is so cannot imagine the boat owners transporting theirs miles along the towpath to the nearest chemical tollet disposal point. On one of my walks along the Lea I came across an official who was taking details of boats without the correct licence. He said the 'red tape' involved with the removal of these boats delayed the process by months. 14 days is the longest a boat can stay in one place unless using a permanent or long term mooring which incurs a cost. How much do the boats using the Lea pay?

I was not suggesting that any or all of the flotsam & jetsam around the boats was generated by those boats, merely that it's presence proved that the boats had not moved in a very long time. I know how heavy a 'portaloo' is so cannot imagine the boat owners transporting theirs miles along the towpath to the nearest chemical tollet disposal point.
On one of my walks along the Lea I came across an official who was taking details of boats without the correct licence. He said the 'red tape' involved with the removal of these boats delayed the process by months.
14 days is the longest a boat can stay in one place unless using a permanent or long term mooring which incurs a cost. How much do the boats using the Lea pay?myopinioncounts

I was not suggesting that any or all of the flotsam & jetsam around the boats was generated by those boats, merely that it's presence proved that the boats had not moved in a very long time. I know how heavy a 'portaloo' is so cannot imagine the boat owners transporting theirs miles along the towpath to the nearest chemical tollet disposal point. On one of my walks along the Lea I came across an official who was taking details of boats without the correct licence. He said the 'red tape' involved with the removal of these boats delayed the process by months. 14 days is the longest a boat can stay in one place unless using a permanent or long term mooring which incurs a cost. How much do the boats using the Lea pay?

Score: 1

Call me Earl says...6:32pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Villagecranberry wrote…

Call me Earl wrote…

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?

I believe we were talking about the general flotsam Villagecranberry. Of course you are going to get children and the usual older morons who have no other entertainment in life then to throw heavy objects in rivers just because they like to see and hear the splash! ... I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either.

[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Call me Earl[/bold] wrote:
As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.[/p][/quote]Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?[/p][/quote]I believe we were talking about the general flotsam Villagecranberry. Of course you are going to get children and the usual older morons who have no other entertainment in life then to throw heavy objects in rivers just because they like to see and hear the splash! ... I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either.Call me Earl

Villagecranberry wrote…

Call me Earl wrote…

As we have deviated slightly from the thread regarding pollution. C.J.T. is correct that the bulk of the rubbish on the river is not caused by the boat owners, but by rubbish blown into the river by the wind, from many miles of riverbank and roadsides further up river. This is bound to accumulate and be trapped in abundance anywhere in only a couple of days. The dire state of the water quality is from over flowage of Deephams sewage works, which cannot handle the quantity of drainage, when we have a downpour of heavy rain for a long period. But also from the many thousands of illegal misconnected pipework from housing, draining detergents and sewerage into water drain pipework and not into the sewer system. On top of all this is the washout of oil and heavy metals from our roads which drain into our rivers. Now and again there are unscrupulous industrial units further up river who get rid of their waste oil and chemicals straight into the drains. By the time this is seen down river it is too late to trace where it came from.

Blame the wind? Yes right, supermarket trolleys, old tyres, soft cuddly toys, pallets, old bikes, entire stolen vehicles with oil, all blown in by the wind, humans do not play a part? Even human doo doo?

I believe we were talking about the general flotsam Villagecranberry. Of course you are going to get children and the usual older morons who have no other entertainment in life then to throw heavy objects in rivers just because they like to see and hear the splash! ... I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either.

Score: 2

myopinioncounts says...9:44am Sun 30 Mar 14

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either."
NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!myopinioncounts

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

Score: 1

Villagecranberry says...10:40am Sun 30 Mar 14

myopinioncounts wrote…

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.

[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote:
Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either."
NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night![/p][/quote]I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.Villagecranberry

myopinioncounts wrote…

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.

Score: -2

Call me Earl says...11:24pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Villagecranberry wrote…

myopinioncounts wrote…

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.

"Myopinioncounts" regarding the quote "I do not think you ever will" is regarding "Villagecranberry`s myth of boat owners throwing stolen cars, shopping trollies, cuddly toys, pallets and old bikes in the water which would only impede their own travel on the canals and in any case have the wrath of other boats owners against them.

[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote:
Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either."
NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night![/p][/quote]I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.[/p][/quote]"Myopinioncounts" regarding the quote "I do not think you ever will" is regarding "Villagecranberry`s myth of boat owners throwing stolen cars, shopping trollies, cuddly toys, pallets and old bikes in the water which would only impede their own travel on the canals and in any case have the wrath of other boats owners against them.Call me Earl

Villagecranberry wrote…

myopinioncounts wrote…

Call me Earl says. " I have yet to see any boat owners do this (if that's what you are insinuating) and I do not think you ever will either." NO! Because if they were to throw anything in the water they would be sure to do it when no-one is looking - in the middle of the night!

I have seen it along the cycle paths regularly , Regents Canal, boat owners tipping the remnants of their frying pan with lard in the water and packaging, they have no scruples.

"Myopinioncounts" regarding the quote "I do not think you ever will" is regarding "Villagecranberry`s myth of boat owners throwing stolen cars, shopping trollies, cuddly toys, pallets and old bikes in the water which would only impede their own travel on the canals and in any case have the wrath of other boats owners against them.

Score: 2

e17neighbour says...11:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

If the boating community kept the area in front of their boats clear of rubbish, no left over bbqs (which is against a bylaw to light fires in the first place), They leave chopped wood lying around, food packaging, garden furniture - then I would say this charge is unfair. But the situation along the tow path now is that a majority of the boating community residents leave a lot of unsightly rubbish, some dangerous too (nails sticking out of chopped palette woods for example). Near a couple of boats, they regularly park their motorbike, turning the space into an unofficial 'drive'. This is unacceptable. If the charge is to prevent over-crowding, restoring the place to being litter-free, stopping BBQs and regular lighting of fires, then I say, fair is fair. We all have to pay towards keeping up of public services, whether through taxing the car or paying council tax or the NHS contribution. It's only fair. Not sure why the boating community think they can circumvent contribution to negate their impact & footprint on the marsh and tow path? In the past 2 years alone, there are too many of them now, it has become over-crowded along the tow path. The Save Lea Marsh people just like a good rant and have a go at anything because they have an axe to grind with LVRPA over the basketball facility in 2012. Just look at the lovely murals on the marsh tunnel. They sprayed graffiti on the path to send a message they "wanted real wild life, not pictures of wild life' Whatever that means… idiots!

If the boating community kept the area in front of their boats clear of rubbish, no left over bbqs (which is against a bylaw to light fires in the first place), They leave chopped wood lying around, food packaging, garden furniture - then I would say this charge is unfair. But the situation along the tow path now is that a majority of the boating community residents leave a lot of unsightly rubbish, some dangerous too (nails sticking out of chopped palette woods for example). Near a couple of boats, they regularly park their motorbike, turning the space into an unofficial 'drive'. This is unacceptable. If the charge is to prevent over-crowding, restoring the place to being litter-free, stopping BBQs and regular lighting of fires, then I say, fair is fair. We all have to pay towards keeping up of public services, whether through taxing the car or paying council tax or the NHS contribution. It's only fair. Not sure why the boating community think they can circumvent contribution to negate their impact & footprint on the marsh and tow path? In the past 2 years alone, there are too many of them now, it has become over-crowded along the tow path. The Save Lea Marsh people just like a good rant and have a go at anything because they have an axe to grind with LVRPA over the basketball facility in 2012. Just look at the lovely murals on the marsh tunnel. They sprayed graffiti on the path to send a message they "wanted real wild life, not pictures of wild life' Whatever that means… idiots!e17neighbour

If the boating community kept the area in front of their boats clear of rubbish, no left over bbqs (which is against a bylaw to light fires in the first place), They leave chopped wood lying around, food packaging, garden furniture - then I would say this charge is unfair. But the situation along the tow path now is that a majority of the boating community residents leave a lot of unsightly rubbish, some dangerous too (nails sticking out of chopped palette woods for example). Near a couple of boats, they regularly park their motorbike, turning the space into an unofficial 'drive'. This is unacceptable. If the charge is to prevent over-crowding, restoring the place to being litter-free, stopping BBQs and regular lighting of fires, then I say, fair is fair. We all have to pay towards keeping up of public services, whether through taxing the car or paying council tax or the NHS contribution. It's only fair. Not sure why the boating community think they can circumvent contribution to negate their impact & footprint on the marsh and tow path? In the past 2 years alone, there are too many of them now, it has become over-crowded along the tow path. The Save Lea Marsh people just like a good rant and have a go at anything because they have an axe to grind with LVRPA over the basketball facility in 2012. Just look at the lovely murals on the marsh tunnel. They sprayed graffiti on the path to send a message they "wanted real wild life, not pictures of wild life' Whatever that means… idiots!

Score: 0

e17neighbour says...11:23am Wed 2 Apr 14

Marsh Lover wrote…

Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private. LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?

WELL SAID!

[quote][p][bold]Marsh Lover[/bold] wrote:
Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private.
LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?[/p][/quote]WELL SAID!e17neighbour

Marsh Lover wrote…

Writing as someone who has walked her dog along Leyton Marsh for years, I observed at first hand LV staff clearing the path and erecting these signs. The signs were erected to face the water for the attention of passing boats. The sign in your picture has been deliberately turned around to make it appear that the towpath itself was being made private. LV staff assured me that the path was to remain public and there were no plans to fence it off. Furthermore I also observed them remove a huge truckload of discarded mattresses, barbecues and other rubbish left by boaters and others who don't seem to care for or have any respect for this beautiful area. Is it hardly surprising that LV now want to control who moors in this area?

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