Gaucho wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think firing Bylsma has ever crossed Shero's mind for even a second.

I agree, and while many disagree, I don't think the situation calls for it unless mikey's right and Bylsma's truly lost the team. But, at this point, it doesn't seem to me that the team is playing as though they've been "lost." It seems to me that they simply have gotten away from the details that have made them successful. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. So, say that's the case. An adjustment in philosophy and approach is more effective from cost, time, morale, and performance perspectives. Shero's going to talk with DB during their rating sessions and get him to agree to adjust and figure it out and give him some time (no idea how long) to do it. It's Management 101.

Lt. Dish - What option does Shero have? He's going to stick with Bylsma and hope for the best and if it doesn't work, they'll probably go in a different direction after the season. There's enough talent on this roster for these guys to play more as a team, more as a 5-man unit, and most importantly, win. As much as I think Shero's done a terrible job drafting, he's still found ways to get a roster loaded to win for the foreseeable future.

Lt. Dish wrote:it seems to me that there's more reliance on name recognition (Carter? Perry? Getzlaf? Again, Carter?) than a reasoned consideration of how those guys play and how they would actually address what we need.

Bowser wrote:Lt. Dish - What option does Shero have? He's going to stick with Bylsma and hope for the best and if it doesn't work, they'll probably go in a different direction after the season. There's enough talent on this roster for these guys to play more as a team, more as a 5-man unit, and most importantly, win. As much as I think Shero's done a terrible job drafting, he's still found ways to get a roster loaded to win for the foreseeable future.

Yep, Bowser. Sounds like we're on the same page with this one.

Aside: Are you named after the "Power of Bowser" (yeeeaahh...)* or the guy from Sha-Na-Na?

Bowser wrote:Craig Patrick was justly ripped for having terrible drafts from 94-99 and since drafting Jordan Staal number two overall in 2006, the highest goal scoring forward is Dustin Jeffrey with 12 goals in 67 games.

I don't think it's a roster problem at all. We don't need a scoring winger, we don't need more aggressive defensemen. This roster is the best in the NHL, period. If you think otherwise, which team would you trade rosters with? Not Philly, not NYR, not Chicago, not LAK. As such, I think blaming Shero, Tangradi, Oprik, is just silly. No team is perfect; we're not either. But the players on the ice should get the job down.

As such, it's either a systems problem or an execution problem or both. The former is coaching, the latter might be. But this team needs to quit turning the puck over.

I am fine losing 1/2 against TML and the Jets, but losing back to back in such similar fashion is disturbing. It remains way too early to panic though.

Gaucho wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think firing Bylsma has ever crossed Shero's mind for even a second.

If that's correct then Shero is crazy.

Yeah, I'm pretty naive. I believe that every single head and assistant coach in the NHL and even in the AHL and ECHL more or less know what they're doing. Success for them is more than anything else about being at the right place at the right time. Claiming that opposing coaches figured out DB's system after two games is bollocks to me, because I'm pretty sure that the coaching staff of every NHL team has a pretty good idea about what all the other teams are doing anyway.

Of course, if the Pens decided to tune out their coach or whatever then we do have a problem, albeit one that a coaching change probably is not going to fix.

Gaucho wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think firing Bylsma has ever crossed Shero's mind for even a second.

If that's correct then Shero is crazy.

Yeah, I'm pretty naive. I believe that every single head and assistant coach in the NHL and even in the AHL and ECHL more or less know what they're doing. Success for them is more than anything else about being at the right place at the right time. Claiming that opposing coaches figured out DB's system after two games is bollocks to me, because I'm pretty sure that the coaching staff of every NHL team has a pretty good idea about what all the other teams are doing anyway.

Of course, if the Pens decided to tune out their coach or whatever then we do have a problem, albeit one that a coaching change probably is not going to fix.

I'd say the last 3 years in the playoffs are pretty good reasons he should be fired. I wanted him fired after the flyer series.

TheHammer24 wrote:I don't think it's a roster problem at all. We don't need a scoring winger, we don't need more aggressive defensemen. This roster is the best in the NHL, period. If you think otherwise, which team would you trade rosters with? Not Philly, not NYR, not Chicago, not LAK. As such, I think blaming Shero, Tangradi, Oprik, is just silly. No team is perfect; we're not either. But the players on the ice should get the job down.

As such, it's either a systems problem or an execution problem or both. The former is coaching, the latter might be. But this team needs to quit turning the puck over.

I am fine losing 1/2 against TML and the Jets, but losing back to back in such similar fashion is disturbing. It remains way too early to panic though.

We absolutely need an upgrade at wing. Personnel is an issue, but certainly not THE issue.

Gaucho wrote:Well, it is true that at a certain point it can no longer be justified to not fire the coach. But in most cases it has very little to do with the coaches credentials, qualifications or his expertise.

I've seen the light that German is hilarious. Kaizer's random post with the Flammenwerfer sealed the deal. I may abandon my plans for resuming my ancient college French and learning Spanish and go for German. I have to get past the idea of words strung together in 132-letter phrases and the capitalization of nouns first. The awesomeness of the umlaut and the quirkiness of that B-thing for "ss" are points in German's favor. I'll keep you posted.

I've seen the light that German is hilarious. Kaizer's random post with the Flammenwerfer sealed the deal. I may abandon my plans for resuming my ancient college French and learning Spanish and go for German. I have to get past the idea of words strung together in 132-letter phrases and the capitalization of nouns first. The awesomeness of the umlaut and the quirkiness of that B-thing for "ss" are points in German's favor. I'll keep you posted.

I've seen the light that German is hilarious. Kaizer's random post with the Flammenwerfer sealed the deal. I may abandon my plans for resuming my ancient college French and learning Spanish and go for German. I have to get past the idea of words strung together in 132-letter phrases and the capitalization of nouns first. The awesomeness of the umlaut and the quirkiness of that B-thing for "ss" are points in German's favor. I'll keep you posted.