Kor wrote:The romance genre isn't something I've ever actively sought, and I don't/didn't read many manga (would rather watch that stuff animated, though nowadays I don't watch much anime as well), so I can't really give any names here.

Anyone else wanna name other mangakas who are good romance writers?

Kor wrote:...romantic subplot in which it was clear from very early on that the de-facto couple will end up together so quite clearly there are zero stakes with this love rivalry.

Yeah, there's basically a .00001 chance that Heiji will end up with Momiji—not exactly compelling, right?

I just wonder how many more years Gosho will put off resolution(s) to this subplot. It's now been 4 years since we started the "what's going to stop Heiji from confessing" guessing game, and it's been a year and a half since Momiji came into the picture. Now that she's actually interacted with Heiji (who basically ignores her—in the movie, he basically looks at her advances and goes, "wut.") and Kazuha (a couple lines over the phone), what's next? I guess she'll have Muga stalk him and just barge in when she thinks the time is right, and he'll just ignore her or be incredulous, and there'll be a misunderstanding on Kazuha's part.

Kor wrote:I don't know about the 2nd point, cause if these subplots didn't exist, there'd probably be other distractions.

That is, non-romantic subplots?

Kor wrote:As for the rest, yeah, I guess that's one way to put it. Thing is, it's not the end of the world that some of these characters aren't complex and developed. It's a shonen manga and (despite what may be implied at times from some of my criticism) I don't expect it to be some high art literary fiction. It's okay if minor recurring character that doesn't amount to anything remains minor recurring character that doesn't amount to anything.

Ah, gotcha. But there is a basic level of quality that needs to be met, right?

Kor wrote:When a lot of us in the forum collectively facepalmed once we learned that Chiba's getting a love interest, it's not because Chiba was some character with potential to be anything more than... Chiba. Chiba could have remained childhood-friend-less and just continue to do... whatever Chiba was doing before Naeko was brought in. There was never any real need to give this character a subplot, but okay, Gosho decided to give this character a subplot and do something with him. And what did Gosho decide to do with this character? Add him to the list of characters a childhood love interest. Same thing applies to Heiji/Kazuha/Momiji. Gosho didn't have to introduce a "love rival" that isn't going to affect anything (who also happens to be a character Heiji met as a kid once), but he did.

So it came off as Gosho was doing it just because he could—it's just there... and the execution doesn't help, either.

Serinox wrote:Though for now at least the met-in-childhood part is movie only. In the manga, Momiji just wants to marry Heiji, but no reference whatsoever have been made to their promise or anything else. Considering that misunderstanding they had as children was resolved within the movie, I don't know if it will ever be imported into the manga at all.

I doubt Gosho's going to create a different backstory for the manga—why would he change the met-in-childhood part?

As far as I'm concerned, Heiji's and Momiji's backstory in Movie 21 is also their manga backstory. That's how sure I am that he's not going to change it.

“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.” “Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.” ― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear." — Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)

Serinox wrote:Though for now at least the met-in-childhood part is movie only. In the manga, Momiji just wants to marry Heiji, but no reference whatsoever have been made to their promise or anything else. Considering that misunderstanding they had as children was resolved within the movie, I don't know if it will ever be imported into the manga at all.

I doubt Gosho's going to create a different backstory for the manga—why would he change the met-in-childhood part?

As far as I'm concerned, Heiji's and Momiji's backstory in Movie 21 is also their manga backstory. That's how sure I am that he's not going to change it.

From what I'm getting, Serinox's argument is not that the backstory will change, but that it won't be referred to or inserted in the manga just in general. I agree with him on that. Gosho seems to have intentionally set it up so that the movie becomes her introduction(in terms of her whole history with Heiji), but the manga will focus on her actions from here on(unrelated to her history with him, that was resolved in the movie).

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MeiTanteixX wrote:From what I'm getting, Serinox's argument is not that the backstory will change, but that it won't be referred to or inserted in the manga just in general. I agree with him on that. Gosho seems to have intentionally set it up so that the movie becomes her introduction(in terms of her whole history with Heiji), but the manga will focus on her actions from here on(unrelated to her history with him, that was resolved in the movie).

If that's the contention, then yes, I agree. I was just bringing up that I really don't believe that the backstory will change—it was more using another comment to make a general statement than anything else.

The Movie 21 backstory seems to be there for those who may want to know why Momiji wants to marry Heiji—I don't see it being vital to the manga, and, thus, those who have no interest in that backstory will not be disadvantaged from not looking into it.

“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.” “Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.” ― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear." — Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:If that's the contention, then yes, I agree. I was just bringing up that I really don't believe that the backstory will change—it was more using another comment to make a general statement than anything else.

Gotcha

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Spoiler:

Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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