peeker643 wrote:As to Trestman, he was here in late 80's and it was rocky at times but not because of him. He was in a bad situation w/Bernie, etc as Bernie was Manning-like in the specific sense he wanted/demanded control of the offense. The Trestman Browns were actually pretty good offensively. I have no idea why he fell off the NFL map but he was also very young when he was here and maybe he didn't play nice with others.

Not sure he's head coaching material but not sure he's not.

He's been a pretty damn good coach in the CFL. Not sure how much that means, but it is successful head coaching experience.

I actually wouldn't mind that hire at all.

The Canadian pitch is wider with deeper endzones, so isn't it like playing on grass vs. clay in tennis? One game is spread out for the slow guys (clay/CFL), the other is speed and more speed (grass/NFL). Not sure how that would translate.

Tho at least he does have to work with a limited roster...which give him a management skill college coaches don't possess.

I guess Kosar likes Trestman, but that 1988/89 Browns offense was not that good, IIRC.Although the Browns were a mess- Schottenheimer was handing off the offense after trying to handle himself when Infante left, and Modell was actively refusing to invest in the O line.

googleeph2 wrote:I guess Kosar likes Trestman, but that 1988/89 Browns offense was not that good, IIRC.Although the Browns were a mess- Schottenheimer was handing off the offense after trying to handle himself when Infante left, and Modell was actively refusing to invest in the O line.

To be fair, they used about 5 QB's in 88, and Kosar was never the same post Lloyd Burress.

Kosar was more than mentally capable of carrying on post Infante - just not physically. Which is why Kosar's phone rang when Belichik needed to bend someone's mind in learning about NFL offense.

What thel hell do I really know about Trestman, but I would say that a commendation from Kosar ain't the worst bit of news.

I just can't see this FO taking the chance on Trestman. I mean you're the new big shot owner in the NFL and you hire a CFL coach, regardless of your drawl. Man if it doesn't work out you're quite possibly a bigger joke than Randy at future owners meetings.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:I just can't see this FO taking the chance on Trestman. I mean you're the new big shot owner in the NFL and you hire a CFL coach, regardless of your drawl. Man if it doesn't work out you're quite possibly a bigger joke than Randy at future owners meetings.

Dude's a joke already, might as well not give a damn what anyone else thinks and do what he truly believes is the right thing. Start from the top down. It's his team, not Joe Banner's team.

He'd be better off if someone came in and broke the curse that Wormtongue has over him.

How many brain cells does Bernie have left these days? Six? His Twitter feed is pretty much the poster-child for how severe head trauma (and drug use) can ruin someone's ability to function at a level higher than a fourth grader.

If the Browns find a guy that can lead I'll be fine. That is a cliche' and incorporates a lot of things, but they haven't had a 'leader' since they returned. Get that guy whether we know his name or not.

googleeph2 wrote:I guess Kosar likes Trestman, but that 1988/89 Browns offense was not that good, IIRC.Although the Browns were a mess- Schottenheimer was handing off the offense after trying to handle himself when Infante left, and Modell was actively refusing to invest in the O line.

Webster Slaughter had a career year and was a pro bowler in 89, and Bernie actually had one of his better years yardage wise that year too.

I'm very intrigued by Trestan, take a quick look at his resume and look at what some of those passing offenses did under his tutelage as a QB coach/O coordinator.

Career year and franchise record for receiving yards for Webster SlaughterLed the NFL in points with SF (career year and NFL single season records for Jerry Rice)Turned Rich Gannon into an MVP and a Super Bowl championMade Scott Mitchell not suckWon a playoff game in AZ with Jake Plummer

Plus he has head coaching experience in the pro's. Even if it's Canada and their crazy rules it's better than experience at Oregon.

peeker643 wrote:If the Browns find a guy that can lead I'll be fine. That is a cliche' and incorporates a lot of things, but they haven't had a 'leader' since they returned. Get that guy whether we know his name or not.

This is why I would be all in with Cowher (realizing he isn't coming to the Browns).I know Browns fans consider him to be just a product of the steeler org, who wouldn't translate here.

Back 20 yrs ago, in the Metcalf double punt return game I believe, he went for it on 4th down. It wasn't near the end of the game, and I think it was around midfield. They didn't make it, and the Cleveland crowd went wild. He was on the field, snarling and foaming at the mouth at the offense coming to the sideline. Full scowling/chin mode. You could read his lips very clearly: "Let's go!!! We're playing (eff)ing to win!!!" Love that kind of leader.

I'm fine with you liking the NFL experience (although I find that whole argument beyond foolish... SPURRIER FAILED, THUS ALL WILL!!!!). But to claim that the CFL and it's third rate athletes and shitty rules makes it a better direct comp to the NFL than Oregon does is just hilarious.

I'm fine with you liking the NFL experience (although I find that whole argument beyond foolish... SPURRIER FAILED, THUS ALL WILL!!!!). But to claim that the CFL and it's third rate athletes and shitty rules makes it a better direct comp to the NFL than Oregon does is just hilarious.

e0y2e3 wrote:I was replying directly to that person and I am not shouting beyond my mimiking the idiot Browns fans that have been running around shouting SPURRIER FAILED!!! COLLEGE = BAD!!!!

Don't know how I get lumped into being an idiot Browns fan in your mind, but ok.

My point all along was Trestman has a good NFL resume AND head coaching experience, which is intriguing to me. I also like that it's at the professional level, dealing with somewhat equal talent and grown men trying to make a living. You want to argue that college experience is better than CFL experience, that's perfectly acceptable, hell you might even be right. If Kelly had the NFL resume of Trestman before going to Oregon as head coach, I probably would have been ok with him as a candidate, so maybe that does makes you right. Congratulations.

The Browns will interview Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer for their head coaching vacancy Wednesday afternoon.Despite seven head coaching jobs coming available on Black Monday, it's Zimmer's first interview of the season. Intense and outspoken, he brings a resume that includes 18 years in the NFL and five years at the head of the Bengals' defense. This year, he coaxed a breakout season out of DT Geno Atkins and developed WLB Vontaze Burfict as the unit finished sixth in the league. The Browns could steal an asset from their division rival while simultaneously filling their own vacancy.

So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Of course once word got out that's all you'll hear about until either a)Browns hire someone b) Cowher clears the air, "I said a return at some point".

Until then we'll be treated to:

Home purchase rumorsCowhers pledge to Rooney he'd coach everywhere else but Cleveland He's a Cleveland guy, despite spending only 7 years of his 30 years playing/coaching in the city

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

e0y2e3 wrote:So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Fuck all 3 of 'em.

And that's got nothing to do with Chip flirting and then playing hard to get. Fuck all 3 of 'em cuz I don't give a shit about any of 'em and didn't want any of 'em in the first place.

e0y2e3 wrote:So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Chip Kelly acted unprofessionally.

Cowher and Gruden are duplictious attention whores. Chin doesn't want to coach now, but will jump back in when he's 60? Which actually might work, because Banner will probably be looking for his 3rd HC hire in 2018.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

e0y2e3 wrote:So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Chip Kelly acted unprofessionally.

Cowher and Gruden are duplictious attention whores. Chin doesn't want to coach now, but will jump back in when he's 60? Which actually might work, because Banner will probably be looking for his 3rd HC hire in 2018.

e0y2e3 wrote:So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Chip Kelly acted unprofessionally.

Cowher and Gruden are duplictious attention whores. Chin doesn't want to coach now, but will jump back in when he's 60? Which actually might work, because Banner will probably be looking for his 3rd HC hire in 2018.

You are very generous, giving his 2nd hire 5 years.

That almost might be seen as a rip-roaring success here.

3rd hire. I figure it breaks down like this -

2013 Swing for fences, hit a slow roller to the right side, barely beat the throw. Hire coordinator.

2015 Swing for fences, interview Chip Kelly for 72 straight hours. He goes to the Cowboys, end up getting HBP, hire coord on the other side of the ball from the one you hired in 2013.

2018 Swing for fences, hit a bloop single and land Cowher, at the age of 60. Need to ensure Berea complex has wheelchair access.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

e0y2e3 wrote:So for everyone that consider Chip Kelly the worst person ever for spending a weekend interviewing, how do you feel about an attention whore like The Chin or Gruden making sure to get their name mentioned re: coaching vacancies every year while never bothering to interview or even seriously consider taking a job just to make sure their Q rating stays high?

I mean, clearly they are okay because they haven't turned the Brown down yet but that bastard Chip Kelly should be lynched!

Chip Kelly acted unprofessionally.

Cowher and Gruden are duplictious attention whores. Chin doesn't want to coach now, but will jump back in when he's 60? Which actually might work, because Banner will probably be looking for his 3rd HC hire in 2018.

You are very generous, giving his 2nd hire 5 years.

That almost might be seen as a rip-roaring success here.

3rd hire. I figure it breaks down like this -

2013 Swing for fences, hit a slow roller to the right side, barely beat the throw. Hire coordinator.

2015 Swing for fences, interview Chip Kelly for 72 straight hours. He goes to the Cowboys, end up getting HBP, hire coord on the other side of the ball from the one you hired in 2013.

2018 Swing for fences, hit a bloop single and land Cowher, at the age of 60. Need to ensure Berea complex has wheelchair access.

Ah, sorry, I thought you were counting Reid as his first hire. Third hire here... gotcha.

Whisenhunt Talks Break Down Over ControlThe Browns were high on former Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt as their next head coach, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, before hiring Rob Chudzinski late Thursday night. Whisenhunt was flown from his home in Arizona back to Cleveland on Thursday for a second interview, spending several hours with team president Joe Banner before the Browns moved on to hire Chudzinski, who had been Carolina's offensive coordinator.

According to sources, Banner and Whisenhunt could not reach an agreement on how much say the front office would have in rounding out the coaching staff. Whisenhunt wasn't seeking any personnel control or anything out of the ordinary for a head coach, but Cleveland's front office wanted input on certain staff issues and ultimately were most comfortable with a rookie head coach.

The Browns had significant interest in college coaches Chip Kelly (Oregon) and Bill O'Brien (Penn State), but both stayed in school. They also met with Doug Marrone, who left Syracuse for the Buffalo Bills during Cleveland's courtship of Kelly. Chudzinski's strong relationship with top offensive coordinator Norv Turner also was a key to his hiring, sources said, with the Browns hopeful of landing Turner (Chudzinski worked under Turner in San Diego).

Banner has been a fan of the spread formations and read-option offenses, and Chudzinski had success running those elements for Cam Newton in Carolina. Mike Vick, who Banner helped bring to Philadelphia during his time with the Eagles, is a fit in that scheme as well, and could well land with the Browns as a free agent, as he will not renegotiate his deal to stay with the Eagles and it's highly unlikely the Eagles pay him $15.5 million next season.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

mattvan1 wrote:According to sources, Banner and Whisenhunt could not reach an agreement on how much say the front office would have in rounding out the coaching staff. Whisenhunt wasn't seeking any personnel control or anything out of the ordinary for a head coach, but Cleveland's front office wanted input on certain staff issues and ultimately were most comfortable with a rookie head coach.

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Chudzinski's strong relationship with top offensive coordinator Norv Turner also was a key to his hiring, sources said, with the Browns hopeful of landing Turner (Chudzinski worked under Turner in San Diego).

So Banner demands control of the coaching staff, so turns to Chud... who's a package deal with Norv? That's not entirely computing.

Banner has been a fan of the spread formations and read-option offenses, and Chudzinski had success running those elements for Cam Newton in Carolina.

Ohh, there we go. Whis wants to bring in Grimm and run whatever they were running in Arizona. Chud says he can run the new shiny. Banner wants the new shiny. Chud wins.

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Banner has been a fan of the spread formations and read-option offenses, and Chudzinski had success running those elements for Cam Newton in Carolina. Mike Vick, who Banner helped bring to Philadelphia during his time with the Eagles, is a fit in that scheme as well, and could well land with the Browns as a free agent, as he will not renegotiate his deal to stay with the Eagles and it's highly unlikely the Eagles pay him $15.5 million next season.

Ugh. My vasectomy on Friday was more pleasant than reading this.

Now we have ANOTHER president married to a system and makes coaching decisions based upon said system. The only difference is that this president never ran the system himself.

Of course, this makes the pursuit of Nick Saban make so much sense.

On the upside, this trainwreck might yet be massively entertaining. If you're gonna fail, might as well go epic.