First injectable: Test E/DBOL or Test E/DBOL/Deca ??

I've been reading some old threads on here that are about two years old on these two cycles but am wondering if anybody has any new advice they would like to lend. I'm considering an injectable cycle next fall. I am def running Test E for 12 weeks at 500mg. Since it's my first injectable I'd rather have a long ester and pin twice a week @250 than ed or eod with prop and such. I'm jumpstarting it with dbol @ 30mg for 6 weeks. I feel that this would probably give me one amazing first cycle as it is. But I have read that Deca thrown in for 8 to 10 weeks is amazing and would add so much more in gains and help with joint issues as well. I've already run 3 s.d cycles and a trn/zol. I've had amazing results with these but am starting to have my doubts with all of these newer otc orals. let me know what you think

Most people will advise a test only (enth or cyp) at 500mg per week for 10-12 weeks for a first cycle. With experience with ph's in the past, I would say you're okay with dbol for 4-6 weeks to jumpstart. I would, however, dissagree with throwing in deca. I think most will agree with me in that a first injectable cycle should not contain 3 compounds. If you want to go the route with dbol, just stick with test and dbol, save the deca for another time.

so with the deca out of there, i'm looking at
weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg
weeks 1-6 Dbol 30mg

i've seen someone mention in another thread throwing in epi. what if i ended with weeks 6-12 epi @ 30mg to solidify gains and control estrogen?

I wouldn't be as opposed to that I would the deca. I've personally never ran epistane, but there are many on here that have. I think you'll be more than impressed with the gains you'll get on just dbol and test. Even test alone, being your 1st injectable cycle, would give great gains. One of the main reasons to run only one compound for a 1st cycle (ex. test-e 500mg for 10-12 weeks) is to see how your body responds to it. When you start throwing in other compounds, it will be hard to tell what is doing what. I think you're good with the dbol and test, again, you'll be impressed. Keep us updated on a log.

i'll def be keeping a log for this with stats and pics, etc. again its not gonna be until early fall when i'm bulking up again. i am going to go with dbol and test only like you said. from what i've gathered on cyp, which isn't very much admittedly, it doesn't vary too much from enan. am i correct?

i'll def be keeping a log for this with stats and pics, etc. again its not gonna be until early fall when i'm bulking up again. i am going to go with dbol and test only like you said. from what i've gathered on cyp, which isn't very much admittedly, it doesn't vary too much from enan. am i correct?

It varies extremely little. Basically the only difference is the length of the ester which with cypionate is 8 carbons, enanthate is only 7. As far as time release into the blood, there is virtually NO difference.

as far as estrogen control on cycle, would arimidex be sufficient or do i need an ai as well? i, like everyone else, want as little water retention and gyno possibility as humanly possible. i've used nolva and clomid for post cycle as well as toremifene. i have also seen them used while on but not as much as arimidex. is it usually just personal preference for an on cycle serm?

as far as estrogen control on cycle, would arimidex be sufficient or do i need an ai as well? i, like everyone else, want as little water retention and gyno possibility as humanly possible. i've used nolva and clomid for post cycle as well as toremifene. i have also seen them used while on but not as much as arimidex. is it usually just personal preference for an on cycle serm?

Arimidex is an AI.

Stick with Test and D-Bol. Your plan sounds solid and I would go with toremifene for PCT

Stick with Test and D-Bol. Your plan sounds solid and I would go with toremifene for post cycle therapy

yea your absolutely right about the arimidex. i was in a hurry when i typed that up. so whats the concensus, AI or SERM or AI + SERM? i've seen arimidex being used and gyno still popping up. and i would probably go with nolva for a SERM. so would arimidex and nolva together be overkill?

yea your absolutely right about the arimidex. i was in a hurry when i typed that up. so whats the concensus, AI or SERM or AI + SERM? i've seen arimidex being used and gyno still popping up. and i would probably go with nolva for a SERM. so would arimidex and nolva together be overkill?

On-cycle, yes; I would not recommend using A-dex during PCT because your lipids and libido will take a pounding.

I've been reading some old threads on here that are about two years old on these two cycles but am wondering if anybody has any new advice they would like to lend. I'm considering an injectable cycle next fall. I am def running Test E for 12 weeks at 500mg. Since it's my first injectable I'd rather have a long ester and pin twice a week @250 than ed or eod with prop and such. I'm jumpstarting it with dbol @ 30mg for 6 weeks. I feel that this would probably give me one amazing first cycle as it is. But I have read that Deca thrown in for 8 to 10 weeks is amazing and would add so much more in gains and help with joint issues as well. I've already run 3 s.d cycles and a trn/zol. I've had amazing results with these but am starting to have my doubts with all of these newer otc orals. let me know what you think

Well that soudns like a great cycle...BUT... it is yoru first cycle...I am on my 3rd cycle of steroids and I am taking test E at 500mg for 12 weeks... deca at 450mg for 12-15 weeks and I just got done using dbol for the firts 4 weeks...actually today is when i stop.i was taking 40mg the firts 2 weeks..then 25mg weeks 3 and 4...I think using all 3 is too much for one cycle if you asked me....and plus..Deca will not do that great at 8 weeks...maybe not even 10 as well...I have read that deca should be used at a minimum of 12 weeks if you want the full effects....My firts cycle I took Sustanon at 250mg a week and deca at 250mg a week for 10 weeks..(8 weeks of sustanon) and I gained 20 pounds and my lifts were incredible...my second cycle..i took sustanon at 500mg a week and deca at 300mg and gained 21 pounds ....this cycle i decided to go with test E for a change...and using dbol to get the gains the test E wouldnt'..and to eb completely honest...I would rather have used sustanon because it kicks in immediately and the dbol didn't work the wonders i thoguth ti would for strength..it dfeneitly gave me great size..but of course its' most water....This cycle I am on it has been exactly 4 weeks and 1 day and I have gained 14 pounds so far...but the strength gains are jsut starting to kick in hardcore from the test E taking so long ....my friend did his firts steroid cycle with 250mg of test E and 300mg of deca and gained about 22-23 pounds from it....a lot of firts time users think you should sue a lot your first cycle..i am using the same amount as you this cycle and it's my 3rd cycle..and I am getting gains liek a firts timer....i don't like wearing my receptors out...your firts cycle is always your best cycle and you should probabaly take the dbol right out..and jsut go with the test and deca....that's my opinion...if you need anything just PM me

I meant use only an AI, sorry about the confusion. Since this is your first cycle and the dosages are moderate, you can do without HCG.

i wouldn't Ever go without HCG in a cycle...your post cycle is the most important part...I would go with HCG no doubt about it..no matter wehat the dose syoua re taking of test...I take 150mg of clomid a day for 3-4 weeks and I take HCG shots spreda out over the 4 weeks....

Well that soudns like a great cycle...BUT... it is yoru first cycle...I am on my 3rd cycle of steroids and I am taking test E at 500mg for 12 weeks... deca at 450mg for 12-15 weeks and I just got done using dbol for the firts 4 weeks...actually today is when i stop.i was taking 40mg the firts 2 weeks..then 25mg weeks 3 and 4...I think using all 3 is too much for one cycle if you asked me....and plus..Deca will not do that great at 8 weeks...maybe not even 10 as well...I have read that deca should be used at a minimum of 12 weeks if you want the full effects....My firts cycle I took Sustanon at 250mg a week and deca at 250mg a week for 10 weeks..(8 weeks of sustanon) and I gained 20 pounds and my lifts were incredible...my second cycle..i took sustanon at 500mg a week and deca at 300mg and gained 21 pounds ....this cycle i decided to go with test E for a change...and using dbol to get the gains the test E wouldnt'..and to eb completely honest...I would rather have used sustanon because it kicks in immediately and the dbol didn't work the wonders i thoguth ti would for strength..it dfeneitly gave me great size..but of course its' most water....This cycle I am on it has been exactly 4 weeks and 1 day and I have gained 14 pounds so far...but the strength gains are jsut starting to kick in hardcore from the test E taking so long ....my friend did his firts steroid cycle with 250mg of test E and 300mg of deca and gained about 22-23 pounds from it....a lot of firts time users think you should sue a lot your first cycle..i am using the same amount as you this cycle and it's my 3rd cycle..and I am getting gains liek a firts timer....i don't like wearing my receptors out...your firts cycle is always your best cycle and you should probabaly take the dbol right out..and jsut go with the test and deca....that's my opinion...if you need anything just PM me

but since this is my first injectable, as stated earlier by freqfly, i don't think i should stack two injectables without knowing what each does and what attributes are associated with which. i have a pretty good idea what dbol will bring in terms of gains and sides. but with test taking so long to kick in, and you saying that deca takes awhile to reach its full affects, how will i be able to know what is doing what for me?

Well everyone is different wiht the test and when ti kicks in...my friend saw results immediately and gained 7 pounds in the first 10 days.....I don't like orals..never used them until this cycle..and probabaly won't do ti agian..oral steroids is why you hear of peopel in the hospital form steroids...and when the test E does kick in...you sure as hell will know....deca doens't bring greta strength gains like the test...it brings great quality size...Test E if I were you I would switch to Sustanon at 500mg a week..for example taking 250mg on a monday then 250mg on a thursday...I am just not such a big fan of the dbol or any oral for that matter...injectable are much safer and are less of a hassle... deca will help keep your gains...test and dbol are not capable of keeping the majority of the gains like Deca...Deca is just basically a slow build up of quality muscle that won't leave easy...if you want the quicker gains I would defenitly suggest the sustanon though in replace..if you can't then it's no big deal..Test is test..just different esters that all...400mg of test si 400mg of test...

i wouldn't Ever go without HCG in a cycle...your post cycle is the most important part...I would go with HCG no doubt about it..no matter wehat the dose syoua re taking of test...I take 150mg of clomid a day for 3-4 weeks and I take HCG shots spreda out over the 4 weeks....

and what are saying here, hcg for post cycle? i had the understanding if i were to be using hcg, i would be running it from week one all the way through.

i have herad of some people taking it through cycle...but that's only if they have been on it for a very long time...You take for Post cycle because it gets your nuts back faster than anything..the sooner you get your natural testosterone production back to normal...the more gains you keep