Messages - Jestar

The spirit of RP and zone fighting has died a while ago. Happy Holidays!

Thought the topic was "hasn't died yet".

And it's alive in each and every one of us. Spirits do not die! They can be high or low, paradise or torment, and in limbo somewhere in-between. Maybe reincarnated in future springs, but never dead. It just doesn't fit with the spirit of spirits, even the spirited drinks cannot be killed, only kill.

Easier said than done really because it's better to train someone than give them a handbook and say "Here you go! Now do something!"

Jay has had training and so has Rusaku, but if the training is different then there is going to be problems on one end or the other.

Look at the IC rules. Character-Controlling explains that:

Any strategy, action, or method used In Context (IC, RP, etc.) which both controls another players' character without their permission and transcends the prescribed ruleset that players determine the fate of their own characters based upon the roleplay that the character is in or agreed upon secondary elements such as judge and GM decisions..

A judge does not have to do a whole lot of guessing on character control. Shishui power use on someone without consent is character controlling even if it is a canon move unless a judge says otherwise. But God-Mode?

Any strategy, action, or method used In Context (IC, RP, etc.) which goes beyond the agreed upon limits or environment set by the narutoverse inspired shinobilegends world. This includes breaking SL RP rules.

There is no reference list for what all would be godmodding, no reference sheet at all. I mean, there are moon people and earth core people and T-rex people and dragon people, Madara was a literal god right before Zetzu wrecked him, the issue aint that people dont know what godmodding is to them, its that they dont agree on whats godmodding.

Let's say this fight took place IC, right? Rusaku at some points felt that Jay's powers were godmode. Jay disagrees. Since they agreed to Jay's preferences that his powers are legit and stuff, then it is not godmodding by the IC rules for him his character to do anything that his reference pages says he can do (and more, but Im not the lawyer).

Now you get to RP rules and that stuff is enforced by mob rule only. Break it and get rejected kind of thing. Like, an old guy from long ago Kyutu could time travel, and so can some Pyro prinny guy, where would time travel even fit in the godmode category of regular RP rules? I am guessing it would be a no-go, but I bet they RP'd with it for awhile with some people.

This is getting long. Long story short, what makes responding to an action started 4 turns ago god-mode? It sure aint written anywhere that that is godmode or retro or whatever. When you got people responding to picoseconds of time intervals like its a race to instantaneous, how can anybody enforce unwritten guidelines with the thought that everybody was trained the same? Senpai taught me to cite jutsu I use, even custom ones, but not everybody does that. Senpai taught me everybody gets 3 actions of any kind, but somebody else makes specific a defense attack and supplement. I hope no Council starts enforcing rules that can literally be made up on the spot with claims to it being universal. If it were universal why aint everybody trained that way? If there are going to be punishments for breaking common RP rules can they at least be written down so a judge or player can point and say hey, thats the rule you broke and this is how you broke it.

Who exactly is doling out the punishments for these, offenses? And shouldnt there be a guidebook on how to RP? There is already a starter's guide on getting into biju affairs from a desk jockey PoV, but no guide to how to RP around here. Not being able to react against react against react against react against react against react against react doesn't seem fair if the characters have the reflexes to do it.

Person A makes handsigns and uses fireball jutsu. Person B uses shunshin to, using a katana, slash at Person A in the middle of their handsigns, using sharingan to monitor movements and adjust as needed to slash. Person A jumps backwards and exhales the ball of fire in an attempt to get B away. Person B does a sidestep-jump-juke thing and as a result finishes slashing action on Person A? Person A, when fireball is dodged, activates byakugan and withdraws their own katana to meet Person B's slash headon? Person B though still is adjusting for movement and goes around the katana?

At what point does Person A have to take the slash, or at what point is B forced to not "continue" a previous action? What about actions that supposedly "account for anything to come" and thus lead into the next post as something already stated to be prepared for?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, "What's 2+2"? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my god, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. Its terrible. Its just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, "10101000101", on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. That I can tell you. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me. OK? Alright. Thank you."

I think Shadow meant biju rules, not zone rules, when he was talking about retro in stuff 600-1.

Again, where does it say that the community can't get involved once the fight has started? Is that something I'm just not aware of?

The judge has the final say in all decisions right? Community has no reason to get involved because everything supposed to be settled by the judge or, if need be, the Council. Other than giving opinions, why would the Community need to step in? The judge's call on whether Jay has done anything that would give you the win.

Spinning yet still, Jestar, seeing Ray being pushed back successfully, decided to press what he had left of his sword. With the sword on its last legs, Jestar, seeing Ray forming the spear, would bend forward slighhtlly, causing the still Raiton charged blade portion to fly from Jestar at speeds rivaling the at this point just thrown spear (4-5 seconds to reach Ray). The intention of the blade would be twofold; Jay might would keep the smoke spear solid in order to have the projectiles bounce off of each other, removing the threat to both combatants. Or, he would make the smoke intangible and the projectile would continue through and threaten Ray.

Not that Jestar seriously was under the illusion that Ray could be impaled by the sword, which would have enough momentum to go right through the average person, leaving a jagged hole through his torso (not even bothering with the Raiton since dark release armor kind of makes that a moot buff for the thing). No, Jestar more realistically expected Ray to dodge the attack with relative ease, and then begin yet another barrage of attacks.

Indeed, whether the incoming smoke spear were to still come at him or not, Jestar, would return to a more natural posture and kick off from his standing place, arcing off to dodge the spear with hands weaving in a flurry. Imbuing the local blades of grass with his chakra, Jestar summoned a "leaf storm" from the surrounding leaves, intending on concealing his movements and physically hindering Ray's mobility.

Hidden in the Leaves Technique

Jestar's intentions would be fairly clear from a 3rd person perspective; having been barraged by Ray (nevermind the shunshin act) he was ready to take back the initiative that he had practically given away with his testing shots. If not interrupted, the entire battlefield would seemingly be covered in the grass blade jutsu storm within 3 turns, though for the time being it would start within a 20 meter circle with Jestar as the epicenter and spread outward from there.

Thus, after performing the jutsu, Jestar would practically disappear within his jutsu from Ray's perspective after a second or so of finishing the handseals.

While trying to not be drained with the swamp, Jestar is now confronted with a distance closing move by his quarry, using shunshin to quickly move to where Jestar is located at. Now, since he used shunshin, Jestar's byakugan by virtue could detect his general movement, even when sheltered from the extreme light by the slightly shifted mask; the explosions that would occur at Ray's feet the moment he set foot on the earthen swamp would also help spot the man.

Since he had to physically move to Jestar's position, then the earthen swamp could not have been particularly large; after all, unless he triggered a chain of bakuton explosions on his way to Jestar, the swamp could not be covering the entire battlefield, or even the distance from Jestar to Ray; it would not be to Jestar's advantage to assume that the swamp then only covered the space immediately below him, so let's assume it's a few meter around and about.

Since Jestar had been facing Ray, then for Ray to get behind him, he would have had to go around him; again, since Ray used shunshin this process would not take particularly long to happen, but the timeframe during which it happened allowed the Hyuuga-Nara to guess that his opponent was trying to flank him. Though there was no predicting the exact attack in question as Jestar has never fought a dark release user before (I will probably regret admitting that later), it could be predicted at this point that Jestar was not going to escape the swamp unharassed.

Already in the shocking mood, Jestar would have one defense that would prove valuable in keeping his internal bits from being jangled into oblivion; his Blade of Thunder, combined with his ANBU armor. Yes, against something as powerful as this the armor alone was nothing to boast of, but the Blade of Thunder, the large sword strapped to Jestar's back, especially with some Raiton, could serve as a reasonable defense against the attack.

As Ray's attack closed in and Jestar's feet became more free, he turned as if to spin about and try to hit Ray, all the while using some of the Raiton from earlier to store into his sword, which began to glow. The glow was very brief, as a part of Ray's attack, and thanks to the explosions that disrupted Ray's footing, not only would Jestar have enough time to make this maneuver (after all, the sword already covered most of his back anyways) but also to begin releasing more Raiton chakra.

What is the point in surging Raiton into the sword strapped to his back? Well, the moment that the Super Revival jutsu hit the sword, then while the dark release chakra may have absorbed any electricity that might would hit the attack, the sword would still emit its signature, thunder-like roar that has been described as a "boom" by those nearby as result of the dark release chakra not encompassing the entirety of the blade. Now obviously at such close range this loud boom would hurt the ears, deafen had Jestar enough time to fully get the sword charged up, but the point of the boom was, as the force of the attack drove Jestar further into a spinning motion, the sound might would startle Ray and again trigger his Bakuton armor.

Now hold on, chief, why are you trying to hit Jestar with yet more force? Using the force of the initial dark release attack, while it would certainly be enough to fracture the sword itself, the bakuton explosions, based upon Ray's ability to stand on the earthen swamp at all in order to attack, were weak enough to not add so tremendously that the big picture would be affected.

Rather than the force of the blow merely sending Jestar in one direction, if fully successful in his endeavor, Jestar would turn much of the force from the Super Revival Jutsu into torque, spinning him about like a beyblade top. The Raiton he was now emitting from nigh every pore would, combined with the spinning, form a shield of sorts that would not only block out the bakuton rebuttal from the sound blast, but possibly send the force of the explosions right back to Ray, ultimately leading to him being blown backwards and upwards (explosions directly below him and now in front of him if this all comes to pass) with the stinging blast of Raiton perhaps singing at his flesh. To be caught in the rotation without protection at all, at the speeds that Jestar was going, would have likely cost him a limb altogether.

Lightning Release: Rotating Shield of the Lightning God

Of course, this method of counter had its, drawbacks, in that, as earlier mentioned, the chakra nullifying/disruption/consumption power of the dark release chakra (Jestar would not exactly have the time to determine which it was from his brief look at what it did to his Blade of Thunder's raiton chakra) was a likely counter to the attack, potentially delayed by the blowblack from Ray's own Bakuton armor. Additionally, due to the force of the attack, while Jestar had kept from receiving a fatal blow this time, the strike would be enough to send the spinning Raiton sphere of protection (with a diameter of about 180cm, or 1.8m, about Jestar's arm span) spinning 3 meters forward (relative to where Jestar was initially facing, opposite of where Ray would be blown back), carving out mud and grass and dirt as he went. His sword had taken irreparable damage and would be fractured close to the center, nearly completely separated from its lower half and the hilt as Jestar spun.

Probably would be best to leave this post here. Longer I make it the less put together it gets. x.x Hopefully enough detail to put my head picture onto forum paper. This was my more interesting, but much riskier plan, so if I need to repost then I'll probably go with my less risky plan (if permitted) to save time.

... As for the revival fist, it's clear based on what Jay wrote that he's using the super revival fist. Additionally, the page itself says that the regular revival fist causes "tremendous internal damage" and the Super Revival Fist hits with "tremendous bone-shattering force". Presumably the latter is a stronger version of the original technique, so Ray's description of it seems appropriate to me.

Well, using Jay's repost for highlight, I think my confusion can be seen at least:

The orb, if it hits Jestar, would create a shock wave that would cause severe internal damage, likely throwing his organs around inside him, which would be more than any one could handle and easily kill. In addition, the shockwave caused by the orb, correctly known as Revival Fist, would send the man flying with plenty of force that he'd attain damage from every bounce he'd make on the ground.

The orb, if it hits Jestar, would create a shock wave that would cause severe internal damage, likely throwing his organs around inside him, which would be more than any one could handle and easily kill. In addition, the shockwave caused by the orb, correctly known as Super Revival Fist, would send the man flying with plenty of force that he'd attain damage from every bounce he'd make on the ground...

He described the Super version from the get-go, yes, but called it the regular version, hence my confusion. And bone-shattering force and organ jumbling are not the same thing though they are not far off. Jestar could take the hit to his side and, with bone shatteirng force, lose a few ribs and some serious internal bleeding, but not get his intestines knocked out of place; if Jestar takes that hit to the side with organ displacing force, his intestines might find themselves playing pingpong with the spine and abdominal muscles, with a kidney as a wild ball thrown into the court.

One of those is lethal, one of those is not in this context. Bone shattering and organ sloshing can both be considered tremendous internal damage (the latter obviously more extreme) so naturally I wanted to be clear on which Jestar has to deal with before deciding between my options.

*I'd like to add that, in Jay's repost, only a single explosion occurs as a result of his stepping into the doton swamp. Since the armor reforms everytime it is triggered and the doton swamp with some bits of Raiton constantly beneath him, shouldn't there be more than one explosion if not a constant chain of explosions that disrupt his footing more than just a little bit? After all the explosions were strong enough to destroy streams of Raiton, and anywhere his feet touch the swamp technique the armor should be triggered if I understand this armor right.

Thought I sent a PM about it, but I'm not gonna spend 5 days beating a horse. I'll make the post here so you both can respond at your leisure.

My issues with Jay's post are that his bakuton armor did not respond to stepping into the mud swamp nor with getting close to someone using chidori nagashi. The bakuton armor so far has been shown to respond automatically to chakra based attacks coming into contact with Ray. The dark release technique that he used also requires the use of two hands (he only used one without extra reason) and from what I see in the movie depiction does not cause as much crippling damage as the post suggests.

Other than that I've already got a response in mind, was just waiting on the judge's opinion on these, apparently in vain if he didn't get my PM, so sorry about that.

Edit: "Don't be alarmed, but I fixed the subject header from Jay to Ray, since it was confusing me and a bunch of other people were probably confused with the typo." -Camelicious