(20th May 2012, 18:17)Chuck Wrote: Nah.... Heads of different branches of the ape family pow wowed and decided to disowned creationists to expiate family shame.

To paraphrase the Good Book:

"Simians are not proud of their cousins and never invite them round to dinner."

'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
Spending your life waiting for the messiah to come and save the world is like waiting around for the straight piece to come in Tetris. Even if it comes, by that time you've accumulated a mountain of shit so high that you're fucked no matter what you do.
Remember, if we don't sin, poor old Jesus died for nothing.

20th May 2012, 22:37 (This post was last modified: 20th May 2012, 22:40 by Abishalom.)

(20th May 2012, 18:13)Stimbo Wrote: Humans are apes in the same way that ducks are birds, and for the same reason.

That's not a very good comparison because...well ducks ARE birds...

(20th May 2012, 18:18)Xyster Wrote: Well Mr. Creationist, Ill be part of the epic battle of survival that is evolution, part of the strong surviors, the part that is further improving and you....you can be descendant from a clump of mud. Whatever you have to tell yourself to get through the day .... Just dont try to teach that bullshit to my kid and we will be fine

Says the guy who believes he "evolved" out of primordial soup. Let's just get one thing straightened out...both of us believe we are made from the elements so you're not saying much with your "insult". As for your last comment, you would rather teach your kids their ancestors are single celled bacteria, fish and apes (and a bunch of weird looking creatures we have no actual fossils for)...talk about BS...

(20th May 2012, 18:13)Stimbo Wrote: Humans are apes in the same way that ducks are birds, and for the same reason.

That's not a very good comparison because...well ducks ARE birds...

That's what I said. Duck is to bird as human is to ape, for the exact same reason. It's not, strictly speaking, a comparison, it's a classification. There are five species of great ape, genus Hominidae: orangutans, gorillas, bonobos, common chimpanzees, - and humans. You might not like it but it's a fact. As the old saying goes, you can't choose your family.

All the other Hominidae species have 24 pairs of chromosomes, compared to humans' 23. Thus, if the common-ancestor theory is sound, evolutionary biology predicted that at one time all five species had either 23 (one of which split to give their 24) or 24 pairs of chromosomes (two of which fused together, giving our 23). Since the 'extra' pair exists among four out of the five, it was a reasonable starting assumption that the latter event occurred. Biologists engaged in the research predicted what they ought to find and what it must look like. Some time later, they found precisely what they had predicted ought to exist on human chromosome #2. (ref)

'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
Spending your life waiting for the messiah to come and save the world is like waiting around for the straight piece to come in Tetris. Even if it comes, by that time you've accumulated a mountain of shit so high that you're fucked no matter what you do.
Remember, if we don't sin, poor old Jesus died for nothing.

(20th May 2012, 22:37)Abishalom Wrote: That's not a very good comparison because...well ducks ARE birds...

That's what I said. Duck is to bird as human is to ape, for the exact same reason. It's not, strictly speaking, a comparison, it's a classification. There are five species of great ape, genus Hominidae: orangutans, gorillas, bonobos, common chimpanzees, - and humans. You might not like it but it's a fact. As the old saying goes, you can't choose your family.

All the other Hominidae species have 24 pairs of chromosomes, compared to humans' 23. Thus, if the common-ancestor theory is sound, evolutionary biology predicted that at one time all five species had either 23 (one of which split to give their 24) or 24 pairs of chromosomes (two of which fused together, giving our 23). Since the 'extra' pair exists among four out of the five, it was a reasonable starting assumption that the latter event occurred. Biologists engaged in the research predicted what they ought to find and what it must look like. Some time later, they found precisely what they had predicted ought to exist on human chromosome #2. (ref)

(20th May 2012, 22:37)Abishalom Wrote: That's not a very good comparison because...well ducks ARE birds...

That's what I said. Duck is to bird as human is to ape, for the exact same reason. It's not, strictly speaking, a comparison, it's a classification. There are five species of great ape, genus Hominidae: orangutans, gorillas, bonobos, common chimpanzees, - and humans. You might not like it but it's a fact. As the old saying goes, you can't choose your family.

Apparently my comment went over your head. Anyway it's not a fact it's a fantasy.

Quote:All the other Hominidae species have 24 pairs of chromosomes, compared to humans' 23. Thus, if the common-ancestor theory is sound, evolutionary biology predicted that at one time all five species had either 23 (one of which split to give their 24) or 24 pairs of chromosomes (two of which fused together, giving our 23). Since the 'extra' pair exists among four out of the five, it was a reasonable starting assumption that the latter event occurred. Biologists engaged in the research predicted what they ought to find and what it must look like. Some time later, they found precisely what they had predicted ought to exist on human chromosome #2. (ref)

Yeah but you left out an important detail. We do not know the function of over 97% of the human genome. So even if chromosome 2 actually fused (no way to actually prove), it does not prove that the fusion formed a human from an ape. Especially when you consider that we do not even know the function for most genes in the genome.