Xbox One CPU speed boosted by 10% in vain attempt to keep up with PS4

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In a move that clearly signals Microsoft’s desperation to get ahead of Sony’s PlayStation 4 by any means possible, the Xbox One’s CPU has been speed boosted from 1.6GHz to 1.75GHz — 150MHz, or just under 10%. At the same press conference, Microsoft also said that the Xbox One has entered mass production, and that it’s on schedule for a November release — though we still don’t have an exact release date. (Updated: November 22 now seems likely.) If you’re a core gamer — the demographic that console makers primarily target — the speed bump sounds like you’re getting some extra performance for free. In reality, this is just marketing swill; the PS4, by virtue of its much beefier GPU, will still be much more powerful than the Xbox One — on paper, anyway.

Inside both the PS4 and Xbox One is an AMD Jaguar-based CPU and a Southern Islands-based GPU. Originally, the Xbox One CPU was clocked at 1.6GHz, while the GPU was clocked at 800MHz. Last month the GPU was bumped to 853MHz (an increase of around 7%), and now the CPU has boosted to 1.75GHz. This might sound like you’re getting an extra 5-10% performance for free, but it’s important to remember that Microsoft isn’t magically pushing the envelope on these cores: AMD regularly ships Jaguar-based parts at 2GHz, and the Radeon 7790 (which is most similar to the Xbox One’s GPU) ships with a core clock of 1000MHz. The fact of the matter is that the Xbox One’s cores are underclocked, probably to reduce power consumption, and thus heat and noise generation. Microsoft could happily bump both cores up another 10% and still be within the operational envelope — the console would just be a bit noisier.

While a free speed boost is of course nice, this isn’t going to make up the massive performance lead granted by the PS4’s GPU, which has 50% more compute units (cores), and thus 50% higher theoretical peak performance. It is worth noting that we still don’t know the clock speed of either the CPU or GPU in the PS4, though. So far we have assumed that they will be comparable to the Xbox One — but if they’re 10 or 20% lower, then the performance gap between the two consoles will be fairly small. Ultimately, as we’ve already reported numerous times, the real-world difference between the consoles is likely to be very, very small, except perhaps in console exclusives where developers program the games to make good use of console-specific architectural differences.

In other news, Microsoft says the Xbox One has entered mass production, for release in November. We don’t have an exact release date, and eight unlucky countries will still have to wait for a 2014 release. Presumably Microsoft will try to beat the PS4 (which releases on November 15 in the US and November 29 in Europe), but hasn’t been able to fix a specific date thanks to all of the very late changes to the console.

X1 is rushed and everyone sees it. Half their consoles still have DRM on it and it REQUIRES internet for first time use to depatch the DRM policies..

Crapgamer

Actually the console was going to require a day one update no matter what, it has nothing to do with DRM. The Wii U had a mandatory day one update too, but never had DRM. I’m sure the PS4 will have an update as well.

The Xbox One was actually made to stay turned on for 10+ years, so it wont be having any issues. When you look at Microsoft’s history in console making, the original Xbox was like a tank, no hardware issue whatsoever. The Xbox 360 was rushed due to high costs of the original Xbox, and the chip being put out of production, Microsoft had a real problem with Red Ring the first 2 years, then changed the set they used. So basically 2 years they had issues, offered 3 year warranties on all their consoles for free, and the 2010 slims had even less problems.

The Xbox One looks to be a fine piece of hardware, and actually looks a lot more like a console of higher quality than the competition. The PS4 to me looks like cheap plastic, but to each their own. I’m excited for my Xbox One for sure, they have a lock on the better launch lineup, and dedicated servers..whooa baby..cant wait!

thestoebz

So 1/2 consoles being “like a tank” is an impressive feat? Man, I’m sure Sony is jealous, only having 3/3 consoles that don’t break down within a year. I’ve had 4 Xbox 360s, one PS3 (from launch). I’m done with Xbox. Onward to the next-gen console, the PS4 (proud to use alongside my PC), with superior hardware and a better exclusive lineup for 2014, as usual ;).

Hooray for Microsoft’s shit “exclusives” that disappear after about a year.

Crapgamer

There was a 2 year period with a high failure rate, and they fixed them completely for free! Sony has NEVER done anything like that. There were a TON of PS2’s with issues, that’s why they took out the disc tray with the PS2 slim! Learn some facts before debating someone.

2014 better exclusive lineup? I’d love to be enlightened because Sony hasn’t announce squat, where as Microsoft has Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo 5 all set for next year. Sony has done a poor job as usual at having decent software to go with their “Superior hardware”. For the first 2+ years that I owned my PS3 I only played PS2 games and Blu-ray movies on it.

Matthew Bryant

Actually, Sony has done something like that. When it became known that the PS2 had issues with the laser eye, if your PS2 had this problem you could call them up and they’d fix it for free even out of warranty. So, you’re wrong.

Infamous, Order 1886, and probaby something from Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica.

The real difference is that Sony didn’t ignore the PS3 for 3 years like Microsoft did with the 360 so they could take games from 2010 and 2011 E3 reveals for the 360 and turn them into XBox One games and pretend they actually have a better lineup because they didn’t actually release the games they said they’d release. Pathetic.

The Last Guardian will likely be released on the PS4 as well. We’ll see what happens. Regardless, Everquest Next and Planetside 2 aren’t anything to turn up your nose at either. Warframe looks awesome as well. The PS4 has plenty of great games coming. Keep trying fanboy.

Crapgamer

So you say inFamous and Order 1886, which hasn’t even seen any in game footage…..Sony mentions Naughty Dog and SSS are working on games, but no clue as to what, where as Microsoft clearly has said the big AAA titles are coming, the Forza’s, Halo’s, Fables, Titanfall’s ect…

Sony didn’t ignore PS3 fans for years? What in the world would you call 2006-2008? I didn’t even play any PS3 games during those first couple+ years. And what of 2011? LBP Karting and Smash Brothers All Stars? Great lineups!

All in all I believe the Xbox 360 and PS3 both had about the same amount of “prime” years. Microsoft obviously was preparing for next gen, Sony continues to baffle me by not having decent launch lineups yet again.

Please stop with The Last Guardian talk, it’s vaporware, and the only games Sony has shown that interested me at E3 were Elder Scrolls Online, Final Fantasy *used to be Versus*, and Kingdom Hearts 3, but all three of those are now multiplatform.

I don’t care about Planetside or Warframe in the least, those are free to play PC games that Sony are pushing to fill out a terrible, TERRIBLE launch lineup. That’s not fanboy talk, if they had shown me anything interesting I would have pre-ordered a PS4 as well.

Matthew Bryant

Halo 5 hasn’t seen any in game footage either. So what? Halo, Forza, and Fable. Oh boy. This generation looks to be so much better than last. Sarcasm aside, I have no interest in any of those titles. The first Fable was awesome, and I respect Bungie, but I’ve never been a fan of Halo and Fable 2 and 3 were worse than the original. Titanfall is a generic online shooter with mechs and parkour. I’m sure you’ll love it, I won’t. PS4 will have JRPGs. I love JRPGs. I’ll be happy. Different consoles for different people. Let’s not pretend that the PS4 won’t have some great games. Obviously it will. The real question is whether Microsoft will continue to make more than the same 3 exclusives over and over again for the Xbox One after 3 years. Because honestly, that turns me off to a Xbox One more than anything. I know Sony will keep them coming.

You’re comparing the start of a generation to the end. Sony did make mistakes at the beginning of this generation, they admitted to them, and they fixed them. They already have great exclusives coming to the PS4 at the beginning of this generation. There’s no indication the same thing will happen again. Besides, Microsoft is pushing titles from 3 years ago that were supposed to launch on the 360 as XBox One titles now. I’m sorry, but that really annoys me. Microsoft should have respected 360 owners enough to release the exclusives they promised to release. Instead they’re more concerned about getting the jump on Sony next generation. It’s anti-consumer. If for no other reason, I’d buy a PS4 over a Xbox One for that alone.

Sony’s launch lineup is fine. I think it’s better than XBox One’s. Opinion is opinion. You like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse apparently. I think they look boring as all hell. Different people are different. Infamous and Project Sparx are the only exclusives launching anytime near the consoles that I’m remotely interested in. However, I will play Watch Dogs and Assassin’s Creed IV, both of which will probably look better on the PS4 due to its more powerful hardware. I’m sure you’ll argue that’s not true, but benchmarks suggest otherwise.

Sony already stated they’re still working on the Last Guardian. The head developer said he’s still working on it. Feel free to pretend it doesn’t exist, but I’m not sure why they’d lie about it. All three of those will probably run and/or look better on the PS4. When the two consoles release you’ll see why more powerful hardware that’s easy to develop for = better looking games. That should be common sense though.

Warframe is anything but terrible and received a ton of interest at PAX. Planetside 2 has an 84 on metacritic. Apparently terrible games score pretty well. Amazing.

You’re pushing your opinion as fact and it’s ridiculous. You can feel free to have your opinion, but pretending it’s an absolute is just illogical crap. Especially since the PS4 is doing significantly better in the pre-order department. Keep spinning though.

Crapgamer

You keep going on and on, but offer no proof to back up any of your arguments. I don’t know a single person, even Sony fans that I know, who think the PS4 launch lineup is as good as Xbox One’s, no Sony launch lineup has been good.

Do you expect me to be mad that Microsoft offers the AAA titles I love? I might have pre-ordered a PS4 if they showed off some Uncharted, God Of War, Gran Turismo games, but not even a hint.

I never said they showed in game Halo footage, but they said new Halo in 2014, 60fps and dedicated servers. That to me means something, it’ll mean something to a lot of gamer’s.

All you keep saying is “It’ll probably look better on PS3”. Do graphics, or dust particles mean that much to you as a “gamer”? Seriously…get over yourself. I’ll play the games you’re going to play on Xbox One and they’ll look and play fine. If the PS4 launch lineup was really “Fine” for you as you claim, you’d be talking about exclusives you planned on playing.

I’m done replying to you, the typical fanboy who calls other people fanboys are people I usually ignore. Consider it partly my fault for feeding an obvious troll. I would suggest that in the future you might want to provide some evidence as to what you’re saying, your points as well. I provided links to articles and actual facts, you provided BS from your butt.

Have a good day, to each their own, enjoy your third party games on PS4, I’ll be playing Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, LocoCycle, Crimson Dragon, Ryse and COD Ghosts on dedicated servers!

Matthew Bryant

They’re opinions retard. Of course I don’t have proof. Neither do you. That’s why they’re opinions. Do you not know the difference between opinions and logical arguments? You can add logic to an opinion, but it’s still an opinion. Either stop being stupid, or I’m done talking to you. I might as well argue with a board. It would probably be more intelligent. There are plenty of people who think the PS4 has a better launch lineup. It’s an opinion. Again, stop arguing that your opinion is fact. It just makes you look even more stupid.

I don’t expect you to do anything. I’m telling you why I’ve gotten bored with Microsoft. I loved the original XBox and I enjoyed the 360 when it released. In the last 4 years the only game that’s released on the 360 worth buying for me was Alan Wake. Every other exclusive did not interest me. I don’t like shooters. I have a gaming PC. The 360 literally has nothing to offer me. The XBox One currently has nothing to offer me other than Project Sparx. There are plenty of people who don’t like shooters. That’s why Sony offers variety. Microsoft has a problem in this area. You like their launch lineup? Awesome! Go buy a Xbox One. I don’t. I think it’s boring and dull. I’ll buy a PS4. See how that works? Beside, Killzone is currently the best selling exclusive for either console. Forza is the second best, but it’s underselling Killzone by a considerable amount. Apparently there are many other people who feel the same way I do. Get over it.

Every PS3 first party exclusive had dedicated servers. Halo should have ALWAYS had dedicated servers. I’m not impressed. Hopefully it’ll be good for your sake. Destiny looks awesome. A persistent world FPS RPG? I’m in. Until I see something that makes Halo 5 look like more than a standard shooter I’ll pass.

Of course you are. I don’t agree with your opinion, so therefore I’m inherently wrong. I get it. You’re a fanboy. I am too. I’m intelligent enough to realize that everyone won’t agree with me. You seem to think the entire world should like the Xbox One more. Unfortunately for you, that’s not true. PS4 is much more popular worldwide and selling considerably better according to all known lists. People won’t always agree with you. If you can’t handle it, get off the internet. You’re acting like a child. You provided sources to PR declarations. Congratulations? If you can’t understand why that’s logically useless then you’re retarded.

I will enjoy my better looking third party games on the PS4. ;) I’ll also enjoy Infamous the only exclusive I have any interest in purchasing. I’ll also enjoy Beyond: Two Souls, Kingdom Hearts HD, Final Fantasy X HD, and Tales of Symphonia HD (to name a few). You have fun with the huge amount of nothing coming to the 360 that isn’t coming to the Xbox One.

ps3.5 fanboy

halo has sold more then killzone just saying lol
just halo 3 on its own sold 11.7 mil copys and killzone 3 sold over 2 mil haha it is pretty sad just thinking about it.

Matthew Bryant

Halo isn’t a launch exclusive. So why are you mentioning it? Oh, because you’re an idiot. Okay.

alex

I think you’re forgetting which game won every single e3 game award….besides forza, ryze, and dead rising taking home some silverware, Titanfall literally cleaned house with every gaming award winning more than all of PS4s games combined….and every writer or person in general who has played it has said these exact words… “Believe the hype”. You wanna know why? because its more than a generic shooter like you say. and for the people who think its going to go to ps4, as long as Microsoft has 14 billion rolling in each year (which they do) they’ll pay millions upon millions to keep it exclusive. Im not saying the ps4 wont have great games…it will. But if you’re looking for the best multiplayer experience im pretty sure the 300 000 azure cloud dedicated servers will see to it and xbox should be you’re choice…unless you’re trying to defend that 1 month blunder psn had with those pesky hackers….oh and to everyone saying sony has more power and will perform better…do your research, which company created direct x? Get back to me when you realize which software company you believe will win this…

M$ $ony

The ps4’s overall hardware is not more powerful… It’s GPU is, but not everything else under the hood.

xxtray90xx

dude these guys are hella stupid.

M$ $ony

They don’t know jack.

paul

lmao you should do some real research the ps4 is a hell of a lot more powerfull. XBOX
ONE one. (8gb ddr3 ram) with (32mb Esram). (8core 1.7ghz Apu)
(extremely slow blu-ray drive) (non changeable hdd).. most high graphic
demanding games like ryse cod bf4 and other games like those will never
run 60fps at 1080p native) because of the
Esram but games like forza and fifa etc which are not that demanding on
graphics will run 1080p 60fps. you can also look this up as game dev’s
have said themselves that they are having trouble coding games to use
the 32mb Esram. all that for £450 is a rip off when you compare it to
the ps4 hardware and this is a fact. ps4 (8gb gddr5). (8core 1.8ghz
Apu). (changeable HDD) (6x times blu-ray drive) that can install a 40gb
game faster than a PC can (£350). best of all most of the ps4’s power is
for gaming alone the Xbox one has to share that power with all the apps
and other crap. (gddr5) is the best choice for a gaming machine
considering most of the best PC graphics cards use (gddr5) and having it
paired with an APU WAS THE BEST CHOICE BY FAR FOR SONY…..you can also
play your game’s instantly on ps4 whilst they install. Xbox one makes
you wait almost 30 min to play the game because you can not play whilst
installing ohh and then there’s the game updates after install as well.
ps4 actually gets the game update as the game is installing and future
update’s can install whilst the ps4 is in standby mode whilst you sleep
also play my games as they download most people see the name Xbox and
instantly squirt and jizz all over it without bothering to research it
lol same with iPhone’s. do some real research. and that system is
supposed to be next gen and worth £450. pfft it is almost worse than a
last gen PC. the esram holds 6gb at a time now you think of a cpu trying to process 6gb’s worth of data without getting mind fucked and slowing down. gddr5 sends smaller chunks of data at a nice speed so it does not bottle neck…

the gpu had to be dumbed down before release because it had heating problems. the esram is a massive bottle neck on the cpu
you want proof you only have to ask as i have a plethora of links to back this up

the gpu had to be dumbed down before release because it had heating problems. the esram is a massive bottle neck on the cpu

Guest

you want proof you only have to ask as i have a plethora of links to back this up

khh1968

OMG, Titanfall isn’t an exclusive, it’s on the PC and I’m pretty sure every gamer has a PC to play it on.

khh1968

OMG, Titanfall isn’t an exclusive, it’s on the PC and I’m pretty sure every gamer has a PC to play it on.

bob

Yeah it is…sorry to burst youre bubble

higard

You are bubble? Your* man..

alex

LOL do you honestly think everyone has a 1000 dollar rig to play it on….be real

M$ $ony

What do most PC’s run? Microsoft’s Windows :)

Cappernougght

This

xxtray90xx

its a console exclusive. PC isnt in the console-verse.

Rick Caron

Its a Microsoft exclusive…

Clark Kent

Wrong not every gamer has a PC.

VirtualMark

Incorrect, see my comment above. And no, they did not fix them for free, they told me where to go as my warranty was out both times. The 3 year warranty didn’t come in until much later, by then the slimline Xbox was out.

Crapgamer

Nope, sorry to have to tell you that the 3 year warranties were out in 2007, the slim line Xbox 360’s came out in 2010 and only carried a 1 year warranty. I never had to have my launch 360 fixed, but my brother did.

Free 3 year warranties was a great thing that cost Microsoft a lot of money, had that never happened, they could have easily dominated the generation.

VirtualMark

I bought my Xbox in 2005, it was out of warranty when it failed. Do you understand?

Rick Caron

My nephew had a launch Xbox as well and got it replaced by MS for free after the Slim had already come out…. I dunno.. maybe you talked to the wrong rep..

VirtualMark

Yeah it’s possible.. I did complain like hell about it! I’m in the UK, I don’t know if they changed the warranty the same time here?

To be honest it was a few years back and I don’t remember the specifics. I just know I was disappointed both by the 360 being unreliable, and Microsoft’s uncaring attitude. I know people who still have working Sega Master Systems, NES, PS1s etc, a console should last a good few years if you take good care of it.

Robbie Rob

PS3 and Xbox 360 pretty much tied when it came to unit sales, with PS3 currently ahead only about 2 million units worldwide..
But what most don’t understand is this was more a win for the guys at MS. If you look up the profit for both companies every year: MS made a lot more money from the Xbox 360. The first two years the PS3 sold at a HUGE loss. The first year it was said Sony lost about 500 dollar per console due/to bluray and Cell. MS was selling Xbox 360 at launch as no profit ( break even ) .. within 2 years they were making 30 dollars a console – while Sony was still losing over 100 dollars a console .. Sony didn’t even report they were “breaking even” on consoles until ALMOST 2010! ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10414022-52.html )

Sony actually considered not making a PS4 – especially before they decided to follow the route of MS and go X86 CPU … The original plan for Sony was to make a PS4 with an updated more powerful Cell Processor.. Once the new PS division President took over he said “No way” and went the same route as Microsoft’s Xbox One.

Last gen people saw a lot of exclusives to from Sony to MS. Now you’re seeing two branded consoles with essentially the same parts. Yes, they are clocked a bit difrent and the Sony GPU has a few mores cores- but REALITY CHECK – they are virtually the same – the same brand, the same jaguar CPU, and the same Radeon GPU family.

Rick Caron

My nephew had a launch Xbox RROD that MS replaced for free. By out of warranty, do you mean you opened it or bought it from gamestop used?

thestoebz

Drive Club, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, Exclusive content for BUNGIE’S (not 313) next game, Destiny, inFamous, The Order 1886, Resogun, a ton of indie games and Planetside 2, not to mention a VR headset for 2014.

No need to hate on Sony just because you suck Microsoft off in your spare time, look at facts and logical discussion, not blind fan-boy rage.

EDIT: Also laughing every time you auto down-vote. OH NO NOT A DOWN-VOTE FROM THE GUY I’M IN AN ARGUMENT WITH!?

You are listing games that have no release date, and a mash of indie games. I don’t spent $400-$500 to play indie games that I can play right now on a phone. Please work on better arguments in the future.

Also, funny how great “exclusive content” is when it’s something for Sony, but when Microsoft gets it, it’s not so great? I mean FIFI, Madden, COD, Battlefield, The Division all get exclusive content on Microsoft consoles….

thestoebz

COD, Madden, FIFI exclusive content? As if these are actually next-gen games and not rehashed garbage. Nice try though.]

I’ll take exclusive content on Destiny over those garbage games.

You can sit on here arguing semantics with EVERYONE who disagrees with you, we’ll all be enjoying our PS4s while you’re trying to “flawlessly switch to cable” since you won’t be using the Xbox One for games anyways ;)

Crapgamer

You would come up with an excuse no matter what I said, I also listed Battlefield and The Division, but you failed to mention either of those, so are they suitable for you? Destiny gives “Timed exclusive content” to PlayStation, but it is Activision after all, so just like with COD maps, Xbox will get them eventually.

I’m looking forward to Destiny and already have it pre-ordered on Xbox One. I’m sure it’ll be good on PS4 as well, but in my opinion online games and large online communities are always better on the box and Xbox Live. Not too sure what Bungie will be able to do with PlayStation, as they’ve never worked on those consoles before, so I’ll stick with what I’m getting.

thestoebz

They also have WATCH DOGS exclusive content ;)

Well, you can be enjoying all the “large online communities”. Somehow larger than the PS4’s online community… Wait, it’s not going to be that way.

And that is just for software. Just imagine console sales alone in NA. It’s not just me that likes Sony more, I was a XBOX / XBOX 360 fan until they left their customers out to dry.

Crapgamer

You are going to use VGChartz as a source? You do realize they don’t have numbers right? I mean there are more Wii’s sold than PS3’s or Xbox 360’s, but the Xbox 360 versions of COD always have the most on it. It’s just fact. The PS4 could sell more consoles and still have less people playing online.

Sony never tells how many unique online users they even have, everyone has multiple accounts…lol

thestoebz

I’d trust VGC over you.

Devin Runyan

You’re using your own brain for a source. Make anyone else more correct you to actual facts. QQ chubby bunny.

bob

Never had a problem with ms like aony really care a about the gamer. Money to buddy when igot my account hacked they denied it at 1st..

Malkill Basdain

I can’t preorder my digital copies of games though. And I literally want nothing at launch for ps4 though I will have the system at launch.

Rick Caron

I am also getting my games on the One digitally…. just for the snap feature alone.. Cant preorder digital so I wonder if thats they the numbers are skewed…

2014 better exclusive lineup? Yup, with 20 AAA exclusives without including indie games. You’re a butt hurt little MS boy who needs more lube. Every single thing you comment on has to do with someone not liking X1 so you try to assert your opinions, not fact, to change their mind. Hit the gym chubby bunny.

Fweds

Sounds like you are describing yourself.

Todd Crookham

Actually the reason that they took out the disk load tray was all a cost and size issue at the consoles end of life cycle. it had nothing to do with fail rates which were actually very low!

higard

Thats nice. But this isnt a 360 or a ps4 but you base experience on another product.

Matthew Bryant

The original XBox did have hardware issues. The most blatant issue was the “Cannot read discs” error that happened on many original XBoxs (what’s the plural of XBox anyway?), but there were also slight overheating issues and power supply failures. It was definitely built much better than the PS2, but to pretend it was a tank is nonsense. The Gamecube was by far the most reliable console of last generation.

To pretend that the XBox One can have no problems because Microsoft assures us that it’s built to stay turned on for 10 years (which is complete nonsense since fans typically fail after 5 or 6 years if left on) is a fallacy of circular logic. Microsoft says their console cannot fail, therefore it cannot fail. You can’t use an argument as it’s own proof.

Sony has a lighter launch line up because they’re still releasing games for the PS3, some of the best games of this generation I might add. Overall, Sony has far more exclusive developers (and more talented ones at that) and the PS4 will undoubtedly end up with far more exclusives, especially since more third party developers are making exclusives for the PS4 than the XBox One anyway. I applaud you for sticking by your choice, but don’t pretend that the PS4 is “cheap plastic”, that’s just pathetic. Hopefully, for your sake, Microsoft actually follows through on their exclusives this generation instead of ignoring gamers for the second half of next generation like they did with the 360.

Crapgamer

Your statement is so far flawed I don’t know where to begin exactly. First I’ll say that numerous tests were done to see which console held up best last generation and those original Xbox consoles were tough to beat. I’ve never heard of issues with them whatsoever, where as the disc issues and disc drive issues on the PS2 were pretty numerous.

Simply put, the Xbox One is built to last. The case itself is a preventative measure to avoid over heating, coupled with the fact that if it does get too hot it shuts itself off, it leads me to believe it’s a quality product. Microsoft has had longer to work on the Xbox One, seeing as the Xbox 360 came out in 2005.

You say “more third party developers are making exclusives for the PS4” but you bring no proof. So I’ll prove it otherwise.
Ryse-Crytek: Third party exclusive for Xbox One
Dead Rising 3-Capcom: Third party exclusive for Xbox One
Titanfall-Respawn:Third party exclusive for Xbox One
Sunset Overdrive-Insomniac:Third party exclusive for Xbox One
Quantum Break-Remedy:Third party exclusive for Xbox One

That is off the top of my head, as for “ignoring” gamer’s, I was playing next gen games in 2005 before Sony even entered that race. I was playing Perfect Dark Zero, Saints Row, Condemned, Dead Or Alive 4, Prey, Gears Of War, Dead Rising and COD2 before Sony even came out with the PS3. They had the blockbuster titles I bought the Xbox 360 for coming every single year, and still have TItanfall, Project Spark, Fable Anniversary, World Of Tanks and Warface coming to the Xbox 360. I just finished the stellar State Of Decay on XBLA, which is another advantage the Xbox has.

I said the PS4 itself looks like cheap plastic, and to me it does, that is strictly my opinion. Next time you come stepping to someone with an argument, make sure you do research to back your claims up, or you end up looking like a fool.

billFord

Never heard of ps2 disc problems, but I have xbox. Must mean there are way more xbox issues.

Shutting of when it gets hot leads me to believe microsoft knows it will have cooling issues.

Crapgamer

There were ZERO (0) original Xbox issues. The PS2 slim was designed to remove the disc tray completely because of all the issues with that particular problem. I had a couple of PS2 break in this way, where you had to use a fork to pry open the disc tray.

Shutting down “IF” the console detects it’s getting too hot has been the standards for PC’s for the past 4-5 years. It’s something all the next generation consoles should have, but only the Xbox One will have. The PS3 was prone to the same problem with the system failure known as YLOD *Yellow Light Of Death”, where the heat from the console would heat up the solder and melt it. Electronics are supposed to have preventatives to this, the current Xbox 360s model shuts off if it detects too much heat as well, it’s a precaution. It could mean you have dust in the vents, or any number of minor things, that could turn into major things.

Matthew Bryant

Sure. A recall of original XBox power supplies in 2002 because they were actually catching on fire never happened.

I’m not sure why you’re pretending the original XBox had zero issues. That’s nonsense. Of course some of them failed. Failure rates for the Game Cube were lower than the original XBox. Are you trying to say that the original XBox had an acceptable failure rate for electronics? If that’s what you’re trying to say, I’ll agree. It did. The PS2 did not. I never argued against that point. However, to pretend that the original XBox never failed is nonsense. It did and it was not the most reliable console of last generation.

What are you talking about? Shutting down if the CPU overheats has been a feature of PCs for over 10 years, and it’s a feature that the PS3 already has. The PS4 will undoubtedly have it was well. I’m sorry, but you’re ignorant.

Crapgamer

There was never a recall on Xbox power supplies in 2002, I had my original Xbox since launch and still have it, with the box and it’s registered. I never got a recall notice. Please provide me with links.

I’m not saying original Xbox’s never failed or had issues, what I said was they were built tougher than the PS2 and had less issues than the PS2.

If the PS3 had a feature to shut down when it overheats, why did my PS3 fail, and why did so many others fail with YLOD? It seems to me if the PS3 had this feature they would have shut down automatically, they didn’t. I searched Google and there is not a single piece of news where it says the PS3 nor the PS4 has a preventative measure to turn itself off if it overheats. Not a single one, if you find one, please link me to the story.

You’re right, it was in 2005. It still happened. ;) Granted it wasn’t a huge risk, but there were a few fires due to it. Feel free to use Google to look it up for yourself. It probably would’ve been a better idea than denying without bothering to check first. Apparently looking like an idiot is nothing new to you though.

I agreed with you about 10 times. Why are you still arguing with me about it? Again, learn how to read. You can’t seriously be that stupid.

Only 2% of PS3s failed to YLOD within the first 2 years. It happened, but pretending that “so many failed” is fanboy crap. Either research the information, or stop talking. My PS3 turned off several times due to overheating when I lived in OH in 100+ weather during the summer. Trust me. It exists. It even existed in the 360. The problem with the 360 was more than simple overheating though. Look, I have a degree in computer engineering. Feel free to argue with me on this topic if you’d like, but you still won’t be correct. There’s nothing surprising about the Xbox One having this feature. Microsoft pretending that overheating was the cause of their problem is misinformation. Overheating was the first step toward system failure, but it was hardly the reason why the 360 failed. Even the Wii will restart when it overheats. This isn’t a new feature.

So you posted a link that proves the 360 turned itself off when overheating as well. If you’re alluding to the fact that the Xbox One will save your state in a page file so that it continue where you left off much of the time upon reboot then you’re right. The PS3 and 360 don’t have this feature. However, both the PS3 and the 360 shut off when they overheat. The PS2 and original XBox even did this. It’s a standard feature in BIOS on almost every electronic device for the past 10+ years.

Malkill Basdain

that is because nintendo always has the most reliable hardware. Not sony and not microsoft.

Malkill Basdain

you must have lived in the woods lost from civilization because the PS2 had terrible disc read problems .

Matthew Bryant

Statements like “your statement is so far flawed I don’t know where to begin” are pathetic and uncalled for. If you want to act childish, go for it, but if that’s the case I’ll stop treating you like an adult.

My original XBox stopped reading discs after 2 years. The same with my PS2. Granted I know this was less common with XBox, but it still happened and it was a known issue. Gamecube had the lowest failure rate last generation according to warranty providers.

No, Microsoft built the XBox One to have a 24 hour check in. There’s a difference between always online and a 24 hour check in. There’s no indication from any games releasing at launch or shortly thereafter that Microsoft required any type of always online connection except for games that are obviously online like Titanfall. I’m not sure what you’re hoping to do by providing that source, it has nothing to do with the fact that fans don’t last 10 years if left on. They’re generally the first hardware component to die in a PC. Reality exists.

PR will tell you everything is built to last. Ford is supposed to be built tough, but that obviously wasn’t true in the 90s. Until we see actual failure rate data, it’s anybody’s guess. Microsoft and Sony will tell you what you want to hear, that doesn’t make it true. Also, Microsoft obviously haven’t been working on the XBox One since 2005. Nobody knows whether Microsoft or Sony have been working on it longer, but Sony does have more experience working with hardware, whereas Microsoft has more experience working with software. That doesn’t mean that the Xbox One can’t be built better than the PS4, but there’s nothing about either console that suggests they will or won’t have hardware problems yet. When real life happens, we’ll know. You want to believe that the XBox One won’t have any problems? Go for it. It doesn’t make it true.

Are we pretending that Quantic Dream isn’t a Sony studio? If you count 2nd party studios that have deals with Sony to only make games for the Playstation then you quickly see that Sony has more studios. Not to mention, you’re comparing studios that create games like Sesame Street for the Kinect to studios like Sony Santa Monica and Naughty Dog. Ridiculous.

There’s about 30 third party games coming exclusively to the PS4 and PC over the next year. No, I won’t list all of them. Feel free to use Google. Some of them are indies, but many are not. The PS4 is getting a lot of PC ports that the Xbox One is not this time around.

Are we really comparing Perfect Dark to The Last of Us? I’m pretty sure the Last of Us is worth more than every single game you listed. The only decent game you mentioned is Gears of War. The rest are pretty terrible by today’s standards. It’s great that you owned a 360 in 2005. I played a lot of those games as well. The PS2 had better exclusives in 2005, but it’s whatever.

State of Decay was not stellar. <.< To each their own. I am excited for Project Sparx, but the rest are meh. I'm sure plenty of people will like Titanfall. I've been over online shooters for 15 years. Adding mechs and parkour doesn't change the fact that you're still pointing and shooting. I love me some FPS RPGs like Fallout (in fact I'm looking forward to that game more than anything so far next gen), but generic FPS stopped exciting me a long time ago. Maybe I've been gaming longer than you. I'm over the genre. Every game is almost identical with different scenery.

LOL, your last paragraph is hilarious. We got an internet badass over here! Just shut up and provide a logical response. I'm really not interested in your childish attempts to insult me.

Crapgamer

Did you read the article I linked? It stated that the Xbox One was built with the intention to STAY POWERED ON for 10 years. Nothing to do with DRM. Go back and read it please.

QD is a third party studio, just like Insomniac Games is, they went to Microsoft to publish Heavy Rain. I’m not saying they aren’t more of a second party developer, but they aren’t owned by Sony by any means. More along the lines of Remedy Games who is a second party developer for Microsoft now (Alan Wake, American Nightmare, Quantum Break).

I listed games I was playing in 2005 and you compare it to The Last Of Us? That’s curious to say the least, my point was that while Sony was busy telling us to get second jobs to pay for PS3’s, Microsoft had a next gen console with amazing games already out.

Sony doesn’t have 30 studios friend, feel free to look it up. I stated a fact that Microsoft has 23 first party studios, I never said all of them were core, where as 16 of them are in fact core gaming studios. You keep saying that I’m insulting you, when actually I’m providing proof to back up what I’m saying completely, and you aren’t. You say things like “Sony has 30 studios working on PS4 exclusives” but provide no proof, links or information.

As for the internet badass remark…I was stating that you’re making yourself look foolish by continuing to argue with me without any facts, links or information. How can you expect to sway anyone if you can’t back up anything you’re saying?

Matthew Bryant

You stated that Microsoft made the Xbox One to be an always online console. I hope you know what that means, because it’s pretty self-explanatory. So you’re first paragraph just seems ridiculous. Your article can’t change the fact that fans fail. Get over it.

No, QD is a second party studio. Insomniac USED to be a second party studio, now they’re a third party studio. Learn the difference please. Notice I said they have a deal with Sony, not that Sony owns them. I even stated that they were a 2nd party studio. Why are you arguing with me because you’re lacking in reading comprehension?

Why wouldn’t I compare it to the Last of Us? Sony was lacking exclusives in 2005 and Microsoft is lacking exclusives in 2013. So you’re arguing that having exclusives to play in 2005 like Dead or Alive 4 was better than having exclusives to play in 2013 like the Last of Us. I thought this was obvious, but apparently not for you.

If you’re referring to core gaming? No, 16 are not core gaming studios. Half of them are Kinect studios. Read that list again. You’re being a pompous ass when expressing opinions as facts. I could care less honestly, but I’m definitely far less interested in being polite to someone who’s a prick on the internet. I never said Sony has 30 studios working on exclusives. I said that Sony has more studios working on games, and that those studios generally make better games. Again, if you can’t understand what you’re reading don’t blame me.

You were being a prick. Don’t make excuses for it. Just admit it and move on. Again, I’m not interested in your childish attempts to insult me. We’re arguing opinions and you were making it personal. Now I’ll make it personal. You just happen to be an idiot. Have fun with that.

Crapgamer

Please stop, you keep arguing with no proof, no facts. It was a bold strategy to try and argue with someone who has facts, when you have none of your own. Good day, and good luck with what you choose.

if we are going from personal track records… I had 7 ps2’s everyone had the same problem, from the fat ps2 all the way up to the last generation slim and I rarely ever played any of them. I had 1 xbox original and it went with me every where including bi-weekly LAN parties. I have had 1 PS3 and I have a good deal of games for it but never played it much and its been relegated to noisy bluray player status. I am on my 3rd 360. Only one of these was due to the RROD. The other was due to the ineptitude of a 3 year old.

Malkill Basdain

Publishers actually like when they don’t have to compete against the console manufacturer in the software space.

Devin Runyan

Well PS4 doesn’t have DRM issues so it won’t need an update.

Clearly what you’re saying doesn’t matter since they still have new yield problems in manufacturing so they didn’t learn their lesson.

Too bad looks have zero sway in the consoles performance. I chose longevity over launch lineup. It would be stupid not to.

PS4 has over 140 games in development, 20 exclusives in first year and 12 are new IP(not including indies) – And 32 games available by Dec 31 2013.

X1 has 12 exclusives and a hand full are new IP within first year and will have 22 games by March 2014. “whooa baby”

Do the math. The 1.3M people who preordered the PS4 did the math, the 800K X1 fans didn’t.

X1 is obsolete if you own a high end PC with access to millions of dedicated servers and a PS4.

Crapgamer

So you don’t think the PS4 will have an update at all? It’ll never have updates? The update the Xbox One is getting has absolutely nothing to do with DRM. I

Since you’re such a prophet, tell me some lotto numbers please, I mean you are saying they will have yield problems so it must be true! Share you knowledge so we may all gain wealth from it!

Okay, you are clearly drinking the Sony Kool Aid, they said they have all these games in development, but most are indie games, they haven’t shown anything new or that is AAA, it’s all indie games and the same exact games they’ve been showing since Feb.

Microsoft has the better launch lineup by far, more exclusives, the Xbox One has more to offer right out of the box, dedicated servers on their online games, and a ton of games already in the pipeline.

What you’re basically saying is that people should buy a high end PC and a PS4 instead of an Xbox One? How in the world would that make sense? I own a PC, but I absolutely cannot stand PC gaming. Funny how every Sony fan is a huge fan of PC gaming all of a sudden, too bad a lot of what the PS4 has to offer is also on PC, I don’t like it on PC, I wont like it on PS4.

Get over yourselves. The funny part for me is that Sony fans are absolutely obsessed with everything but Sony, it seems they have to stick their insecure noses in every article that has to do with the Xbox One. If you made the choice to pick PS4, at least have the maturity to stick to those types of articles, instead of trolling people who are excited for the Xbox One and those games.

Devin Runyan

Man, you really are a crap gamer.

First off, Exclusives and ‘what is better’ on what consoles for games is 100% personal preference and neither side can win. However, a side can win for having the most options.

-Never once said the PS4 won’t have updates (Nice stollen quote from family guy retard). It won’t have the first time activation for depatching the DRM.
-You can look up online for information on the yield problems as well as the DRM already on the pre made X1.
-The 140 does include indies obviously. Indies are quality games. Don’t act as if indie games are worthless. If you do then tell me how the indie game ‘Project Phoenix’ just made $700K on kickstarter today..doesn’t seem worthless! You’re an uneducated troll trying to make a stand for your gf – MS.

-The 20 exclusives are 20 AAA titles – not indies.

Every single thing offered on X1 is offered on PC.
-Can you play any PS4 exclusive on the PC?
-Can you play any Vita exclusive game on the PC?
-Can you remote play on the PC?

Crapgamer

I have found no confirmed information on any yield problems for the Xbox One. They aren’t going to intentionally release a console with issues, the Xbox 360s and the original Xbox were both stellar machines.

I knew you were talking about indies because that’s all Sony ever talks about now, and I have no problem with some indie games, but acting like those are the reason we buy new consoles is just plain ridiculous and you know it. Sony has very few actual AAA titles in it’s launch or launch window. Knack is very poorly received right now, and was probably a PSN title at some point.

Sony doesn’t have 20 AAA titles coming out, if they did, why not share what they are and give some release dates?

The thing that seals your ignorance is when you say everything on Xbox One is on PC, it’s clearly not.

I can’t play Forza on PC, I can’t play Halo 4 or Halo 5 on PC, I can’t play the new Killer Instinct on PC, I can’t play Dead Rising 3, Ryse or Crimson Dragon on PC.

As for playing PS4 games on PC, it’s happening more, Warframe and a lot of those other really bad PC games are coming to PS4.

Does anyone play or own a Vita? That thing is just doing terribly, I’m actually surprised you brought it up. Vita has no games, it gets ports of old games. I think it’s a nice piece of hardware, but it’s expensive and lacks titles.

Remote play? That’s the big feature huh? Just like remote play was supposed to happen with the Vita and PS3 and never does….hmmmmm

Devin Runyan

They won’t release a console with issues…Ok just like the Xbox 360 with 55% failure rate due to the RRoD…Really guy..

-20 AAA titles. Look it up and stop denying it.

-You brag Forza..a rushed launch title that needs daily dlc patches in order to complete the game. KI only has 6 playable characters and never mind the fact the first KI was a terrible game. DR3 is only a lunach title because no other company would fund it since the 2nd one was a flop. Ryse…oh QTE how boring you are..

-F2P game are actually quality games and used by millions. Just because you think they’re bad doesn’t mean anything. So warframe is bad right, is that why it has over a few million active users?

-Remote play is a mandatory feature that developers have to implement to their games. So yes it will last.

By the way…nice spamming of posts. you need a job or to be somewhat productive..then again I look at your icon and laugh and say that doesn’t surprise me..

Guest

You’re right

M$ $ony

Microsoft never confirmed that there was yield problems and it was a rumor started by some idiotic gamer who came up with that great idea.

WingsOfChicken

…because MS or Sony would openly admit to yield problems..you are so right…sigh

M$ $ony

It was still a gamer who started this rumor on a forum during the Microsoft PR disaster where many rumors were being taken as fact and are still being taken as fact. If you don’t have any sources to back up your claim… Don’t bother making them.

VirtualMark

I had an original “Xenon” 360 which failed(90nm CPU and GPU), and I had one of the 2007 “Falcon” units with 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU, which also failed due to RROD. So believe me, it wasn’t just the first 2 years that they had problems, and they didn’t offer the 3 years warranty straight away either. Even some of the 2008 “Jasper” units with 65nm CPU and GPU failed.

Crapgamer

July 5th 2007 Microsoft expanded their warranty to a free 3 year warranty.

But the Xbox 360 was released in 2005, so that’s a lot of broken Xbox’s that were out of warranty.

Crapgamer

You had a years warranty to begin with, so if you bought one in late 2005 when they released *November 22nd, 2005* and it broke within the first year, it was replaced for free, if you bought one after November 2006, it would be covered under the 3 year warranty before the one year warranty expired. See what I’m saying?

Nobody was going to be without a console, or have to pay full price for a new one. Shame there were issues, but at least Microsoft addressed them and offered a hell of a warranty. I know people who had disc drive issues, or spilled stuff on their Xbox 360’s and would just claim RROD and send it in for a new one. They never even checked, scanned the box, sent a refurb out and you’d have it back in a week with a 3 month XBL card.

Devin Runyan

Too bad RRoD happened after the year for most of the time outside of the warranty. People I knew always complained that it took months to get shipped back so doubt you’re accurate. Shipping alone takes more than a week and considering you have to pay to send it back and you didn’t use ‘rush shipping’ it took longer.

Rick Caron

Months?? Doubtful…

VirtualMark

I bought my first one release day, it died a short time later. I bought my second one fairly quickly, it too died. I don’t remember the date, but it wasn’t covered by the warranty as I would have gotten it replaced. Really, they should have recalled the lot as it was a design flaw, extending the warranty was the very least they could do.

Microsoft suck for releasing such a faulty console, and they had to do something special this time round to win any business from me again.

I really didn’t think that anyone could be stupid enough to actually defend Microsoft after all that RROD trouble, but here we are. I think “Crapgamer”, you are indeed living up to your name.

M$ $ony

I finally found the the last comment! STFU already! Stop acting like children and grow up!

VirtualMark

Yeah, why discuss anything eh…

M$ $ony

Read my comment at the top.

M$ $ony

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.

The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.

The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.

Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).

Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.

That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.

Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.

1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.

2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.

3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.

The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.

With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? Who cares about a stupid cpu right?

WingsOfChicken

I think you get off putting down both sides. mission accomplished?

Frederico Giuseppe

Are you illiterate, or only cherry picked what you read from M$ Sony’s post?
The majority of it was stating why the X1 won’t suck and may actually perform better than PS4 in some aspects.

VirtualMark

Interesting stuff, thanks.

M$ $ony

Everything is so complicated! There’s a reason why most people say not to worry about this kind of stuff and wait until the consoles come out to make comparisons.

What

@crapgamer:disqus , I’m sorry, what? This whole debate about the original FPSBox and the PS2 is pure retarded, and you’re ignorant to even debate it. The PS2 broke world records, that it still holds today. Even though the 360 sits on a golden pedistal, the PS2 still holds every record over it.
Get over yourself, dude. There is absolutely no conversation to be had about which one was better. I barely even knew the original Xbox existed until the 360 was announced(What’s up with that?)

Walter White

I’m pretty certain every console made as of 2007, and after was RROD proof. If anyone suffered from the tragedy after than,they were simply Very unlucky or for some essentially impossible reason had the older chip in their box, which was vastly different from the one they replaced.
The xbox 360 console I own, is The model that was produced immediately after the “Dud” one. It’s simply an arcade model with a separately purchased hard drive, and while I don’t advocate or condone this kind of power usage or behaviour; I once left it on for a solid week, gaming, media usage, and all. I’ve owned it since 2007 and will personally make good use of it; likely until 2016 when it becomes an “obsolete” console. Even if, reality forbid it, something were to happen to my xbox, or, worse the ones I buy after to replace it; It wouldn’t affect my choice because honestly Microsoft knows how to please me in too many other ways.

Walter White

I’m pretty certain every console made as of 2007, and after was RROD proof. If anyone suffered from the tragedy after than,they were simply Very unlucky or for some essentially impossible reason had the older chip in their box, which was vastly different from the one they replaced.
The xbox 360 console I own, is The model that was produced immediately after the “Dud” one. It’s simply an arcade model with a separately purchased hard drive, and while I don’t advocate or condone this kind of power usage or behaviour; I once left it on for a solid week, gaming, media usage, and all. I’ve owned it since 2007 and will personally make good use of it; likely until 2016 when it becomes an “obsolete” console. Even if, reality forbid it, something were to happen to my xbox, or, worse the ones I buy after to replace it; It wouldn’t affect my choice because honestly Microsoft knows how to please me in too many other ways.

RoadShow

Whatever dude. Xbox is a piece of $hit and why the flying fk are you defending them?

RROD happened because they rushed the hardware just to gain market share and it worked. The first online heavy generation of consoles and they were given an entire year – 8 million lead. It was the consumer that suffered.

Also it was 33-55% RROD for 5 years man. Most the 360’s life it’s been mostly dead.

Xbox One looks like an 80’s VCR, it’s underpowered, overpriced, less elite features like internal powersupply, recharge batteries/gyro/touchpad/light bar, no spectator/take over mode, you can’t do anything but play single player games and watch blu ray without paying for xbox live – $300 every 5 years. Almost no real exclusive content (finally getting some on FIFA I hear) PS gets far more and better free exclusive content. Also Xbox one has no free games with xbox live…xbox live will continue to be a worthless “subscription” service.

Todd Crookham

Nice fantasy, but the truth is that Each of the XBOX systems had a higher fail rate than the Sony systems of there day! Yes the XBOX 360 was improved over time, but even now they do still have a higher fail rate than the PS3. Don’t take it so personal, if you like the games on a system buy that system and enjoy yourself!

xxtray90xx

rushed how? when sony was in a rush to push out there console before xbox lol who in a rush holiday season 2013 we all knew they were aiming for december, but they didnt wanna be at a lost of becoming in a worse position than they are already in due to hwo bad the ps3 sales were comepare to ps2. Considering they thought MS was going to try to put it out a few days after COD release but they did not and played it smart and pushed out their in the UK first because sony has always had the terroritory on lock.

Besides all that 360 had its problem but so did sony but MS fixed it for FREE, Sony on the other half were charging to fix their broken product.

Todd Crookham

Tell that to all of the RROD sufferers out there! Yes Sony had the YLOD issue, but the numbers were so small compared to Microsoft XBOX 360! Do your homework before you post a stupid comment. Even the first XBOX was more prone to fail then the PS2. It is not a knock on Microsoft, but just a fact. If you like the games on a system you buy that system.

Robbie Rob

Now that both consoles have launched with some problems – What you have said has panned out as true.

It’s more disappointing to see Sony launching with a wider array of software/hardware problems only because we expect more of Sony’s quality control.

BUT, you also have to consider they are using the same brand CPU’s and GPU’s – despite the small differences – both are probably built in the same Chinese plants ! LOL

Danny B

idk, i just read the ps4 used at gamescom was a pc based version hidden in a ps4 shell. are they even ready to start mass production yet? microsoft already is. sounds like sony will be the one rushing with the higher preorders demands and earlier release date. plus with the Microsoft changing their specs, will sony try to do the same….in a smaller case with less venting, that could be a huge mistake. my feeling is they are the ones that are making last minute decisions and havent started mass production yet, they will be rushing in the end.

WingsOfChicken

That’s a rumor and the consoles were being used by the general public. Sony started manufacturing their consoles a month before MS started theirs earlier this year.

MS is rushing their console and games. They have a problem with eSRAM chip yields as of late July on some of the consoles they already manufactured.

-Forza 5 doesn’t reach past 57fps and it required daily patches after launch because it isn’t finished – rushed to be launch title.
-Killer Instinct only has 6 playable characters and adds more in through dlc – rushed for launch title
– Ryse was rushed and scrapped form a Kinect game to a non kinect game and is mostly QTE –
-X1 hasn’t shown any sort of UI yet -do they even have one?
-MS funded DR3 becuase no one would fund it because DR2 was a flop (by means of sales) – rushed to be launch title
-Already made X1 consoles have DRM on it and require a first day patch to remove the policies.

MS is rushing their console and games – not the other way around. You can find facts about these on the internet quite easily. Sony is taking their time and hasn’t released or changed anything to combat their opponent. MS is on Sony’s schedule as they are rushing to keep up.

Danny B

Well its easy when you are just making another ps3 with new hardware

Danny B

Mocrosoft was showing the UI back before e3 when they were showing off the difference functions and cable integration. The games can be patched, they will be ready.

Danny B

Forza 5 required daily patches after launch? you do realize the game doesnt come out until nov. 22 right? the game has not been “launched”. Killer instinct is just like drive club for ps4, you dont get the whole game as the promo. X1 was showing the UI way back before e3 when they were showing off the features and cable integration. if you think sony will not have a DAY 1 system update on the ps4 then you must be crazy. of course both companies will have minor software changes and tweaks made between now (start of production) until release. hopefully sony does something with that slow choppy UI they got. there are pictures on major nelsons twitter of the FIRST xbox’s coming off the production line as of this week, so it seems like they have all the changes in place and are rollin forward. if they just upped the cpu clock speed right before production it seems like all the ones they made before then were just for testing and shows…..the consumer ones have the correct changes made and have just started being produced.

Jamie MacDonald

The PS4 *is* basically a PC in a case.

M$ $ony

November 22nd is the Xbox One’s official release date.

Robbie Rob

BROD on PS4 .. and other issues. Yes, they “say” it’s not too widespread, but this is Sony. I guess this is what happens when two competing consoles use the same brand CPU & GPU with both consoles put together in the same Chinese factories.

Jamie MacDonald

Huh. Ah well, unlikely to buy either of them any time soon.

deeboy17

What a way to title an article. Their not acting desperate to keep pace with Sony. They are optimizing the console for its best performance. The only difference’s between the two will be the services.

massau

The main difference is that the ps4 will be easier to optimise. because you have a less complex architecture and a bigger gpu.

you don’t have to think about the extra cache nor copying in the memory because it has the hsa memory design.

but the programmers that are used to the xbox360 already used such a cache system and will be able to use it again.

deeboy17

Something that is optimized is ready to go. Developers can’t optimized the hardware. The hardware is optimized during manufacturing and the developers take advantage of what’s being presented. It doesn’t mean that one or the other would be easier to develop for because they have similar architecture to begin with.

massau

i meant that you have to design and optemise the software for the specific hardware.
long story short:

Oh yeah I get what you’re saying but its not as complex as that the esram is already incorporated into the CPU and GPU because it reads and writes at the same time. So it will be the same as the 360 but will be running at a significantly higher speed. Microsoft has made the system to where it will be more simpler to develop for than the 360. If it were complex to develop for some devs would have said so instead they are saying that this is the easiest generation to develop for and the similarities are evident in both consoles. Now before the system was optimized the developers would have had to do extra tweaks but now its even more easier than before.

Matthew Bryant

You’re arguing that the eSRAM is an automated cache, and that’s likely not true. Microsoft never stated as much, and the fact that they’re incorporating tiling into DirectX 11.2 to help with XBox One development strongly suggests it is not true. We’ll see how much easier tiling is with DirectX 11.2, but until then it’s anybody’s guess. The eDRAM in the 360 pissed off a lot of developers though and it was the reason why many 360 games ran sub-720 until tiling became standard.

deeboy17

I down voted you because you’re wrong. The 360 was easier to develop for this current Gen. Remember Skyrim and Mass effect 2?
Not trying to start any fanboy nonsense just addressing the fact that third party games came out better on the Xbox because of the easier architecture. This generation coming both consoles will be easy to develop for.

M$ $ony

Xbox One has 8 GB of DDR3 + 47 MB of on chip storage to be exact.

massau

there is 32 MB esram that is only directly accessible by the gpu.

the rest of the cache is the L1 and L2 cache of the cpu and gpu cache.

M$ $ony

What if I told you the Xbox One’s specs may actually be like the following: 8 GB of DDR3 host GPU + dGPU guest GPU + 32 MB of eSRAM?

M$ $ony

Also, read the comment at the top.

Relikk356

The latest is they are both HSA design by the way. Unless of course that changed again. LOL. MS released a system diagram at that chip conference late August. The ESram is there but it just acts like cache to the Huma style ram setup. AMD won’t let MS or Sony call it Huma but it is Unified memory setup that looks similar; according to the experts anyway.

massau

xbox one has huma support for the ddr3 ram.

But the edram is not huma compatible. it can only be directly accessed by the gpu not the cpu. This breaks the Huma part.

no the Coherent Memory is used by both cpu and gpu how the hell wouldn’t they be their on the same chip man. LOL thats like two people floating in water but only one of them being able to get wet lol.

Relikk356

The ram can actually be segregated by the RAM controller. So even though they use the same coherent ram the systems might only look at the address for the first 4gigs in the shared memory. Similar to an on board video card on a mother board. You can set the amount of Video RAM in the bios. I really don’t think this is the case with these though. It would be dumb for either system manufacture to have done that. I thought hUMA was why they both went with AMD in the first place.

Relikk356

Well I don’t think your completely wrong. The ESRAM works like a buffer that basically simulates GDDR5 (theoretically it can be faster). The CPU doesn’t need 256bit transfer because its a 64bit chip. This could cause latency. You might of heard similar rumors that had concerns with PS4 GDDR5 setup. So the DDR3 is Unified HMA with a speed boost for the GPU side. At least that’s what my research points to.

Matthew Bryant

The eSRAM does whatever developers want it to do. To my knowledge Microsoft has given no indication that it works like an automated cache, and tiling inclusion in DirectX 11.2 added specifically for the XBox One suggests that it’s not automated.

It’s also only 32 MBs of RAM. It’ll help, without a doubt, but it’s hardly comparable to 8 GBs of GDDR5. DDR3 still operates at around 1/3 the speed (a little more, but close enough) of GDDR5 and the inclusion of a 32 MB cache won’t make that bandwidth difference disappear. The main purpose of the cache will be storing data that is accessed more often than other data. This will obviously help, but it’s hardly the same as having an extra 100 GB/s of bandwidth on your main memory pool.

Relikk356

Thanks for your insight. I’m far from truly understand how this functions and I’m trying to piece it together from forums a news scoops. I appreciate your input. “Take what i say with a grain of salt”, I have a lite understanding how this works so excuse my ignorance.

With that said I read an article comparing the Xbox 1 design to the future Intel APU. Intel’s setup is similar as I described above using DDR3 with a level 4 cache.

Looking closely at MS chip diagram the eSRAM is sent in 256 bit packets. I assumed that would be most useful for the 256 bit GPU. I’m not saying what eSRAM can’t and can be used for but I’m not sure how beneficial it would be to use for CPU functions.

I know GDDR5 is faster then DDR3, for GPU functions. But on CPU side there is a rumor claiming latency issues will occur. This is because GDDR5 is designed for Graphic processors not CPU’s. It to my belief and smarter people, that it can be cured with an updated memory controller but that’s a whole other discussion.

Matthew Bryant

No worries. ^^ I have a decent amount of training in the field, and I don’t expect everyone to know everything I’ve learned. You’re more knowledgeable than most. Sorry if I came off the wrong way. It wasn’t intentional.

I’ll agree that it probably won’t be used often for the CPU. the CPU undoubtedly has it’s own cache, and has little use for the eSRAM. I’m guessing the eSRAM will be used most often for free MSAA, just like the eDRAM was in the 360. This is definitely helpful and will free up the GPU for other tasks, but it’s basically just a bandaid for the lower bandwidth system RAM. It’s cheaper than using GDDR5, but it’ll never have the same functionality for most GPU functions. LOD and reflections in particular will look amazing on the PS4, but will suffer on the Xbox One due to the lower bandwidth.

GDDR5 doesn’t actually have latency problems, but the memory controllers for GDDR5 have historically had higher latency because of their use solely as VRAM for video cards. There is a moderate difference in latency naturally between the two, but it isn’t overly substantial. We’ll have to see what Sony does with their memory controller. In reality, it won’t matter overly either way. Consoles are not PCs. The latency would be an issue in an environment where multitasking was a priority, but this obviously isn’t the case on a console where you’re looking at multitasking 2 or 3 applications instead of 10 or more on a PC. So long as the GDDR5 can keep up with framerate for CPU tasks it’s a non-issue. Multitasking doesn’t have to be instantaneous on the PS4 like it is on a PC. I’d much rather wait an extra second to switch applications than have lower quality textures and decreased LOD in my games. I’m buying the PS4 for games, not to browse the internet and write reports.

Michael Padilla

PS4 having the HSA / hUMA coherent memory structure is a rumor spread by an AMD rep who said ps4 has it and xbox one doesn’t but her boss recanted her statement saying she don’t know what the F%#$ she was talking about and given the fact that Microsoft just unveiled the Xbox One chip at the Hot Chips conference 2 weeks ago and it in fact does have Coherent Memory I think we can assume this AMD rep was drunk and talking out her ass either that or she was a Sony Fangirl LOL xbox one chip analysis part 1 http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/29/a-deep-dive-into-microsofts-xbox-ones-architecture/

M$ $ony

AMD has came out and said the PS4 or Xbox One doesn’t support HSA. The Xbox One isn’t going to be that much more difficult to program for especially after the developers work with it.

obfuscationboy

Here here. Remind me never to read any more of Sabastians’ articles. Warmongering about Microsoft just to warmonger about Microsoft, that’s what I see in the title… And then half-way through he reverses course and says ‘ahh, well they are really the same but… meh.. let’s hate’

deeboy17

Exactly. They say things that just aren’t necessary while mixing in the facts to make everything they say negative. This is how it has been for months. The sad part is this is the only way they seem to know how to get paid for the constant crap they write. They act like being unbiased doesn’t pay the bill for these guys.

Michael Padilla

LOL Thats what I said the article reads like “microsoft is evil they will die!!!! Then again it might be a close race who knows they might win its all about the games right?” LOL what a joke.

Matthew Bryant

The PS4 DOES have more powerful hardware. Get over it.

Matthew Bryant

No, he never says they’re the same. They aren’t the same. The PS4 has more powerful hardware. On the slim chance that Sony decreased the power considerably on the PS4 for no apparent reason, then sure they’ll be the same. What would be the point of driving up the cost of the console to simply not use the power though? It was discovered that the max clock speed of the jaguar in the PS4 is 2.75 GHz through their FCC approval. This suggests that the CPU will likely be running above 1.75 GHz. Obviously this means nothing by itself, but if the CPU can run that high, it’s likely the GPU can as well. I’m guessing you just don’t understand the technical aspects of the article. That’s fine, but stop pretending you understand it.

Joseph Lan

From what I’ve read (on the Beyond3D forums), The 2.75GHz figure might be referring to the clock speed of the GDDR5 RAM.

I too hope that PS4’s CPU clock will be higher than the reported 1.6GHz, but that is by no means assured.

Crapgamer

That’s where Xbox Live and those dedicated servers come in. We all know developers have said the Xbox One and PS4 are basically on the same level, so in reality it is the services, and in my opinion Microsoft makes better OS and software for their consoles and offer better services. Which is what helped make up my mind.

Matthew Bryant

I’m not sure how you got basically on the same level out of the PS4 is more powerful on paper. You’re probably talking about John Carmack. Most developers have openly stated that the PS4 has a hardware advantage.

Crapgamer

Well lets start by looking at what third party developers are saying, Bungie, Ubisoft, Id, Bethesda and many others are basically saying they are the same thing, both have positives and negatives.

For me, racing games and shooter in the next generation need to be native 1080p 60fps, Microsoft has said every first party game will meet those standards, and be on dedicated servers to boot. Sony can’t make that claim, as Killzone is only 30fps, which wouldn’t be a big deal if it weren’t a shooter. Drive Club is also, sadly 30fps, where as Forza 5 is a blistering 60fps.

I just think it’s all relative, the PS3 was the better hardware, but I’d venture to say Crysis 3 or Rage were the best looking games across either console. If their is differences, it wont be much, so why pound your chest over an extra light or spec of dust on screen?

I see you also conveniently avoided all the other points where I sat you down with actual facts, it’s understandable, but you need to stop it now, you’re embarrassing yourself at this point.

Matthew Bryant

You obviously have no idea what resolution actually does. By itself, it does almost nothing. Increasing resolution increases potential. By itself, all it does is decrease aliasing. That’s it. If you put in the work to make a game look better on 1080p, then sure you’ll see an improvement. It’s VERY easy to make a 720p game with all the bells and whistles look better than a stripped 1080p game. There’s no point in sacrificing effects for resolution. You’ll just make the game look worse. So while 1080p can look better than 720p, if you have to scale your game back to go 1080p then you’re better off just staying at 720p. 60 FPS is useful for some games. I’ll give you that much, but I’ve never felt that 30 FPS was a problem. I prefer improved graphics at 30 FPS to decreased graphics at 60 FPS. That’s just personal preference though. Honestly I wish console games offered sliders for graphic quality. Why do developers get to decide what to sacrifice for my own gaming experience? Maybe I prefer higher quality lighting to refraction? That’s my choice. It makes no sense that I can’t decide for myself. Consoles can do this.

The Last of Us is easily the best looking game on either console. Easily. Beyond: Two Souls looks even better. Crysis 3 looked pretty and had more realistic physics, but overall I’d say that Uncharted 2 had much higher quality textures and better animation. At that point it’s preference. I prefer textures to physics. Then again I mostly play RPGs where physics is less important.

The PS3 was much more difficult to code for. Few programmers really took advantage of it even among first party developers. Naughty Dog, Quantic Dream, and Sony Santa Monica were the only teams that really made amazing looking games (well Ni No Kuni is probably the best looking game of this generation, but that’s because of the artwork). The PS4 is easy to develop for and the RAM inside will make it possible to stream very high quality textures without any problems. The GPU is also considerably more powerful. Digital Foundry saw a 15-25% FPS difference, which translates to a rather noticeable difference when sacrificed for improved effects. It’s not night and day, but it’ll be much more than an extra light or spec of dust.

I replied to every paragraph you’ve ever posted in a response to me. Besides, there’s only one paragraph in this post. What are you talking about? Stick to the topic. If you want to argue about something else then go back to that post.

Devin Runyan

Maybe because everything you say is opinionated. get a job and hit the gym and stop pmsing on everyone’s post that is against the X1.

Joseph Lan

He’s way too mired in fanboy denial to ever admit (even to himself) that the Xbox One has weaker hardware.

Devin Runyan

As far as gaming graphics there won’t be much of a difference, specially early on in next gen. However uploading should be noticeable faster on the PS4 than the X1 and it should be able to multi task larger caches of information.

Matthew Bryant

Sure, if you pretend that better hardware doesn’t make games look better. Holy crap! It does! I guess you’re wrong. Sorry. =(

Reality exists people. Lying to yourself won’t make it stop.

M$ $ony

Read comment above. Thanks! :)

Jason Andrew Hahn

Horrible misleading title, why is this desperation? Let me help you rewrite this “Author titles article in a desperate move to get page views, by any means possible”.

kissmyass69

It’s no secret this extremelame site is no fan of Microsoft. Almost every MS related article I have read has some sort of negative tone. For this reason alone, I hope MS will succeed in everything they do. That’ll shut down this lame site for good…

Michael Padilla

yeah and yet everyone who works on this site uses windows PC god damn hypocrites.

Mark Michaels

Lol, every article about has a very negative tint when it comes to the Xbox. So many of these sites seem to. I remember one on another site that had a title of “Google Chromecast makes Xbox One look like a joke” wtf, lol.

Jesse

Because the Xbone is a big FAT joke!!!

Oliver King

Your mom is a big fat joke

Michael Padilla

well said friend, I’ve seen the robust women and this is by all means true, bitch be fat.

Jesse

What?

Matthew Bryant

At least he has a mom. Don’t be jealous.

Pimp

Your mom is a big fat whore.

XenoSilvano

Anybody who knows how to read effectively with the purpose of understanding what is written can wade through the ‘tint’ unperturbed, that is the sign of a master reader.

All the objective information that needs to be known is already in the text,
the rest is just the authors opinion, its not hard to separate one from the other.

Mark Michaels

Well that’s wonderful for you to point that out, but ultimately completely irrelevant to the point we were making. Were all impressed with your reading comprehension. Thanks for sharing :).

XenoSilvano

oops, I think I must have been replying to someone else’s comment.

kixofmyg0t

Because according to the FCC documents Sony filed, the PS4 runs at 2.7Ghz.

Matthew Bryant

That’s the max clock speed. We don’t know what it will actually run at yet, but it’s very likely that it’ll run above 1.75 GHz. That doesn’t mean it’ll be more powerful than the XBox One CPU, but the GPU is considerably more powerful in the PS4 and that will have much more impact on games. The Jaguar is not the cell processor.

Lol these titles are a wonderful showing of fair and unbiased journalism I applaud you sir for towing that line.

Jesse

M$ playing catch up in vain yeah Good luck with that M$!!!!!

Fweds

And in comes the person this sort of headline was made to attract.
Notice his intelligent use of the 1990s $ sign for MS.

Jesse

But its true M$ really is that bad.

Techutante

Really, that bad that they enabled the entire PC world? Are you 12?

Michael Padilla

Jesse typed that comment on a windows PC ahhh whats the world coming to lol

Jesse

How did you know that?

Jesse

Wrong they ruined it.

Techutante

Please, you are 12 aren’t you. Ruined it from what? They created it, they grew it, they enabled it. Go create your own OS and compete if you’re so smart.

Jesse

No you are wrong. M$ Ruined the PC world because anyone who tried to compete with them got crushed into oblivion. Whenever M$ did something innovative it was ONLY to crush someone else who did it first. I can’t believe how naive you really are. And No I am 25 not 12. M$ also didn’t allow Linux to take a proper foothold in the market so until recently people knew nothing expect M$ Windows.

Techutante

Linux was in no way blocked out of the PC market by windows. Linux was unable to see that the future was GUI interfaces and told the world to take a long walk off a short pier if they couldn’t write command line and optimize every performance on their computer kernel on the fly. Linux is like building your own kit sports car. Sure it’s fancy, sure you paid less than the average sports car, but you had to spend half your life building it first, so you better enjoy driving it. Also if anything new comes out in the meantime that you want to utilize, you have to rebuild your car from scratch to put in the new radio. You’re young yet, you’ll soon realize that the 12 years between high-school and old age are quickly spent. Wouldn’t you rather just be running something rather than tweaking your system? I’d almost rather run a Mac, only Macs run even less than Linux does if you set it up right.

I know you were 10 when it happened, but MS got their pants sued off by everyone for any reason they could think of, for things that Apple and Google are now doing on a daily basis. You think MS was monopolistic? Try getting an App licensed on an apple product. MS got sued for packaging Explorer as a browser with their OS, instead of ALSO INCLUDING A COMPETITORS PRODUCT (Which is retarded). What browser do you get with an Apple computer? What Browser do you use if you are running an Android phone, by default? Sure you can install others, but you always have had that choice. What makes them special that MS gets sued and they don’t?

Jesse

Yes M$ did get sued but it didn’t do anything to them. Because no one wanted an Internet browser packaged with M$ Windows and M$ forced it down everyone’s throats and they didn’t stop there. They also forced installed it on almost EVERY product back in the day. Because no one wanted IE because it was terrible.

Techutante

Yeah, you’d prefer they package with zero browsers? At least it let you open IE, download Netscape, and install that. *eyeroll* if they didn’t include a browser people would have crapped themselves saying how bad MS was. You should see what AOL looked like. Everything was proprietary back in the day. I never understood all the whining about having a packaged web browser. They didn’t force install it, it was literally an extension of windows. When you double click a folder, and it opens and you see files, That’s Internet explorer, it’s just not looking on the internet. So what if you can never uninstall it? Do you want to not browse files? May as well go back to Dos. Also, I don’t know why you’re so riled up about MS, they are just a corporation like the rest. Corporations act to increase the assets of the company and increase value for share-holders. Apple is WAYYYY worse.

Jesse

Back then people didn’t want it and now don’t want metro even thought its an extension of Windows.

Techutante

Please, just keep using windows 7 then. They don’t force you to upgrade to anything. Every version of every operating system they’ve ever offered is available online, probably cheap. Or you know, write your own.

Matthew Bryant

Actually they are trying to force you to upgrade. That’s why DirectX 11.2 won’t work unless you’re using Windows 8.1. There’s no legitimate reason why they can’t make a graphics library work with Windows 7. They’ve done the same with system RAM limitations throughout the history of Windows. Microsoft is constantly going out of their way to force consumers to upgrade Windows.

Techutante

And yet still half of their customer base runs XP. The only people who give two shits about DirectX are gamers, and even then nobody will adopt it except provisionally unless it works with what they want to do. Games won’t come out that only run on 11.2 unless MS produces them themselves. There are times when you can’t be backwards compatible, and this is an instance of that. They developed new features that literally only work with Metro. Not that I like Metro, mind you. It’s funny how you think you know their motives, but you’re just an MS hater with better grammar and no addiction to using $ symbols. The system RAM limitation was barely a limitation at all, it was just that the system was so old it literally wasn’t coded to take advantage of anything better, and they do have a right to not support something they put out over 10 years prior don’t you think? How often do you support something you did 10 years ago or more?

They were functionally the same thing back in the time period he is talking about. Again, you’re a bad troll. It’s only different now because they had the pants sued off of them. But you can web browse from any windows explorer window to this day, although it just opens your default web browser to do it.

Matthew Bryant

You obviously don’t know the difference between Linux and Unix. Linux IS a GUI. Please stop talking. Granted Jesse isn’t doing anybody any favors either, but you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Also, Microsoft was monopolistic. Pretending otherwise is just hilarious. They actually got fined millions upon millions of dollars by the government for being monopolistic. Again, just stop talking.

Techutante

Wow, another MS hater. *eyeroll* Sure, I don’t know anything.

Techutante

Fined for being monopolistic in ways currently Apple, Google, and some other companies are surpassing, incidentally. But MS is the criminal. ;)

Matthew Bryant

They did not create it. What an ignorant statement.

Matthew Bryant

Enabled the entire PC world? Microsoft filled a hole. If they hadn’t, another company would have. It’s not like DOS was the only ASCII based OS. In fact, if the PC world had used Unix instead of DOS it would probably be in a much better place right now. Unix is about 10 times more functional and secure than DOS. That’s probably an understatement.

Fweds

I am getting sick of these misleading headlines.
I was interested to read about the CPU speed increase and I Googled and ended up here.
But instead of getting any news it is just more fanboy bait drivel.
I wish Google would put “site desperate for hits” next to searches that end up with results like this.
And by the way I am getting a PS4 at launch and an Xbox One in March (though the more I read junk like this the more I am tempted to reverse my purchases)

I like to think that this story gives you at least as much information about the CPU speed bump as other tech sites — if not more.

obfuscationboy

The ‘if not more’ information that you gave here so eloquently, could have been summed up in two words: Xbox Sucks. Lol. Thanks for that

Stephane Malo

the problem is that everybody now thinks that they are journalists. Just because you can type on a computer and have internet doesn’t mean you can objectively report.

Pegasus177

Article writer.. You seem to have facts but not understand them. Gddr3 is a double pump and gddr5 is quad pumped.. But both are using a smaller than optimal memory bus (256bit) meaning xbox will have lower latency with less passing through.. it also has eSRAM to help compete with thePS4’s GDDR5.
If they had both opted for a more practical bus of 512bit then the latency wouldn’t be as much of a factor but In reality they are already on pretty much level playing field.
This boost is minor but good. Why bad mouth it. Gamers benefit a little bit again so what’s your problem

Jesse

Wrong the PS4 has 50% more GPU power. M$ is desperate to catch up with Sony so they upped the clock on the CPU and GPU and they will do it even more before they release it. Sony has WON before the fight even started and no I am NOT a sony fanboi and I hate M$.

Yazzam

Wrong, the PS4 does not have 50% more GPU power for game graphics :)

Jesse

No you’re wrong it does 50% more power its been proven many times M$ Fanboi!!!!

Yazzam

And which part of “there are many other factors” did you not understand? :)

Let’s start with your simplistic comparison of 18 compute units (CUs) in the PS4 GPU compared to 12 compute units in the XBox One GPU, which is the basis of your 50% claim.

The XBox One GPU has had it’s clock speed increased from 800Mhz to 853Mhz (or did you not know that :)), therefore that alone gives the XBox One the equivalent of 12.8 CUs at 800Mhz. So in comparison, it’s now about 40% more power, not 50%.

Then there are other factors, such as how many of the CUs are dedicated to the operating system in the final versions for both PS4 and XBox One consoles (we don’t know the details, only bits of information from old development kits which may have changed).

Also the GPU doesn’t work on it’s own, the CPU has its part to play too, where the type of CPU in both the PS4 and XBox One are the same, except the XBox One’s CPU has had its clock speed increased by 9.4% (so almost like having another core!). In addition, the XBox One has a fully featured audio processor, meaning a CPU core or GPU CU doesn’t need to be dedicated to audio on the XBox One, whereas the PS4 only has basic audio acceleration (compression and decompression of streams), meaning advanced audio for games needs to be done by the CPU or GPU.

Then there’s GDDR5 in the PS4 vs DDR3 in the XBox One, there’s the Move Engines and eSRAM in the XBox One, and other support hardware and customisations in both consoles and so on.

Hence graphics is the sum of all the above, and therefore if you’re expecting the PS4 to demonstrate 50% more GPU power in its games, then you may be in for a big disappointment. So far, the evidence from those working with both consoles is that they are very close in terms of overall power.

Let’s wait and see :)

Jesse

So you’re defend M$ when you know the writing is already on the wall Sony has won before the fight even started. M$ can’t be trusted because they will re-enable what they disabled so that they and PRISM can have their way with people. No the 50% GPU power is big because it allows for more effects like AA and AF to be turned on not to mention better textures and Higher resolution. Doesn’t matter the PS4 is still a lot faster than the Xbone and IT USES LESS POWER because they didn’t use power hogging esram or clock the cpu and GPU skyhigh just in an attempt to match the PS4. Face it M$ fanboi Sony was WON and M$ has lost BIG TIME!!!!

Yazzam

It’s not about defending Microsoft, I’m a gamer who enjoys gaming on ALL gaming systems (unlike you), hence I’ll be enjoying BOTH XBox One and PS4 games in future (months after launch though, since I never buy launch machines).

It’s only kids (physically or mentally) who feel the need to convince themselves that their chosen gaming system ‘rules’ and another (or others) ‘suck’. It’s only kids who feel the need to use childish alternative names for companies like M$ or $ony. It’s only kids who declare a winner and loser before the consoles have even launched, much less been in the market for years.

For everything you claim MS can’t be trusted for, I hope you realize Sony have a patent for already, such as DRM for games, for example google search “Sony applies for RFID DRM patent that would block used games”. Name exactly what you believe MS can re-enable in future that Sony could not do themselves!

Regarding power, quote from a developer working with both consoles that confirms what you’ve said. So far, we’ve seen no signs of that extra power for launch games, neither have we heard developers stating they’ve seen such a difference whilst working with the actual hardware.

The only person who has behaved like a fanboy here, together with naive beliefs, is you. Try acting like a real gamer :)

Jesse

I don’t like M$ but I am by no means a sony fanboi. The PS4 has just won the fight before it even began. I don’t think I will get either one because neither of them have the games I want and both of them will VERY easy to emulate. It takes time to use the extra power. The PS4 will have better games than the Xbone because Sony didn’t mess up their console like M$ did.

Yazzam

Except MS have not messed up their console, they messed up the PR, i.e. they messed up their message.

BOTH MS and Sony were planning DRM and always on policies etc, they both have patents to that effect, however MS felt the time was now, but Sony (perhaps wisely) decided to stay quiet and see how everyone reacted to MS’s plans first.

Had everyone welcomed MS’s plans and thought it was the greatest thing ever, Sony would have stepped in to announce that they are planning the same too, but instead, the reaction to MS’s original policies was hostile, therefore Sony were able to play the ‘good guy’ and use the negative reaction to their advantage.

Sony did what any good company would do under the circumstances. Had it been the reverse, MS would have done exactly the same.

Games are a matter of opinion, what you may love others may hate and vice-versa. There are a great selection of launch games for both consoles, and great support from developers for games after that, so that’s not a problem for either console.

So your idea that MS messed up seems to be based upon a false perception that the PS4 is significantly more powerful than the XBox One (the same false perception many had about the PS3 compared to the 360). That claim is wrong, but let’s say for the sake of argument that it’s right, why would it matter so much anyway? Surely it’s all about enjoying the games and services offered by the consoles, surely it’s about having fun! Gaming shouldn’t be about seeing who can piss the highest or spit the furthest (to use an analogy for power :-)), but sadly, it seems to be that way for many gamers, especially online.

Firstly, since you have no interest in either console, then your motives here are questionable.

Secondly, digging up old reports from ONE person (Charlie Demerjian) who has made his views known about the XBox One over and over again is irrelevant. Since when is Charlie the last word on such matters? What matters is what developers can actually DO with the hardware, not how it looks on paper or the personal views of a few individuals, especially when there’s a lot of details still under NDAs.

As I’ve pointed out to you already, developers actually WORKING with both consoles, you know, the guys actually MAKING games, are finding that the two consoles offer very similar performance, with one offering just slightly more performance than the other. For example;

Hence if the hardware is as it stands, then that suggests the PS4 is only slightly more powerful than the XBox One. If the dGPU rumours turn out to be true, then the XBox One is only slightly more powerful than the PS4.

So instead of digging around for reports from those who have never created anything on the consoles, go find reports from those who are creating games on both consoles that supports your views. You will not find any :)

Yazzam

Firstly, given that you claim to have no interest in either console, your motives here are questionable. You deny being a Sony fanboy, but you are certainly anti-MS, where you express the same type of blind bias usually seen in fanboys.

Secondly, digging up old reports from ONE person (Charlie Demerjian) who has made his views known about the XBox One over and over again is irrelevant. Since when is Charlie the last word on such matters? What matters is what developers can actually DO with the hardware, not how it looks on paper or the personal views of a few individuals, especially when there’s a lot of details still under NDAs.

As I’ve pointed out to you already, developers actually WORKING with both consoles, you know, the guys actually MAKING games, are finding that the two consoles offer very similar performance, with one offering just slightly more performance than the other. For example;

Google Search: Need For Speed Rivals may look ‘a little’ better on one next-gen console than the other

Hence if the hardware is as it stands, then that suggests the PS4 is only slightly more powerful than the XBox One. If the dGPU rumours turn out to be true, then the XBox One is only slightly more powerful than the PS4.

So instead of digging around for reports from those who have never created anything on the consoles, go find reports from those who are creating games on both consoles that supports your views. You will not find any :)

I look forward to your links (btw, comments from console exclusive devs who as a result have never coded on the other console, doesn’t count).

Pegasus177

Well idiot see how it is tush or going to happen again.. Its already in production and from experts analysis it’s been planned for a while.. So that debunks your theory I’m afraid…
This ‘50% extra’ has been claimed by people in the know to be more like 30% and yet they remain scepticale since Sony have yet to actually show what’s in the box,.. a topic MS has been extremely transparent with. Neither have they released a clock speed.. Which brings a lot of things into question.. A lot of attention is being focused on MS while Sony gets away with these questions going un answered. This also comes with the news that apparently all the PS4 games experienced so far have actually been played on PC’s in a shell and not actual consoles..
So It would seem as though Sony appear to be the ones behind on production.
Say what you will but I’d rather remain sceptical myself until I have seen it in action.. Both in action.. But considering PAX attendees got hands on with MS console and had great things to say.. I have a slight favourite.

Pegasus177

Well i dont see how it is rushed or going to happen again.. Its already in production and from experts analysis it’s been planned for a while.. So that debunks your theory I’m afraid…
This ‘50% extra’ has been claimed by people in the know to be more like 30% and yet they remain scepticale since Sony have yet to actually show what’s in the box,.. a topic MS has been extremely transparent with. Neither have they released a clock speed.. Which brings a lot of things into question.. A lot of attention is being focused on MS while Sony gets away with these questions going un answered. This also comes with the news that apparently all the PS4 games experienced so far have actually been played on PC’s in a shell and not actual consoles..
So It would seem as though Sony appear to be the ones behind on production.
Say what you will but I’d rather remain sceptical myself until I have seen it in action.. Both in action.. But considering PAX attendees got hands on with MS console and had great things to say.. I have a slight favourite.

TheMetalSgt

Both consoles are sexy. Just admit it people. Both also have their perks. PS4 is cheaper, potentially more powerful, has all the controller cables and stuff you need in the box and has some great online features like truly free F2P, to name a few things. X1 is a bit more expensive, but has a sh*t ton of servers, and whether the “power of the cloud’ is BS or not, X1 is getting lots od dedicated servers for online play, and that’s awesome. The kinect is a really good Skype device for those that don’t have one, and maybe the gameplay features will start to shine later, who knows. The games like Titanfall are really outstanding for the FPS genre, and truly feel like a new experience. The controller of the X1 doesn’t come with a mUSB cable, but has the best design (imo) and programmable trigger rumbles are frikken sweet. Either way, you’re not going to be crying over the console you buy, because both will be awesome. If you like Halo and shooters X1 will be perfect anyways, and if you love story driven games and 5 handfuls of awesome first party studios, then PS4 will be great for you. And each console will do the same thing as the other, only one will do somethings better and vice versa. So people need to stop b*tching just like they do about EVERY company or device, and just enjoy it. But sadly this will never happen, hell even PC guys are annoying as f*ck and huge trolls to themselves, even though they all basically have the same system, they destroy each other for Intel vs AMD and sh*t. People are pathetic.

A. J.

Thank you very much. I am a huge Xbox fan, but I’m not dumb enough to think that either console is bad. Both will have awesome games and provide years of fun.

TheMetalSgt

And there is nothing wrong with being a fan. Just being a hater is the problem. If people dislike products for good arguable reasons, then that’s cool with me, but if they just say “______ sucks dick and you’re an idiot” then that really just shows the intelligence level of that person lol. And sadly it ruins the image of the community, where some people actually stayed in school. But fans are necessary, always will be, but haters or “fanboys” are the cancer of these communities lol.

TheMetalSgt

And I notice some people worry about it overheating. It probably won’t. The PS4 is quite a bit smaller AND has the PSU built in. As far as we know, it’s running a 50% more powerful GPU and it’s temperatures within the system are running good and cool for a console. The Xbox One is big, has an EXTERNAL psu and it’s… well BIG and has a huge ass fan on it. They should have plenty of room here for performance increases. They just probably went overkill on the heat issues since last time they majorly screwed up lol. But chip architecture is more efficient this time around, lower power consumption and heat production, and I’m sure this won’t affect the heat at all. But who knows, I’m interested to see the final reviews of these products and find out more about their specs and their heat and energy values.

Techutante

Anything can overhead if you cram it in your home entertainment center with no airflow. VCRs used to overheat even. Those box cabinets are not good to electronics that need ventilation.

TheMetalSgt

Yes, they aren’t. But I guess I’m looking at it from a gamer view, I don’t care about the cable features so I’ll be showing my xbox off ontop of my table with all the airflow it needs. Of course we won’t know for sure if it’ll have problems, but I think it will be fine.

The1nChicago

Can Sebastian EVER write an objective article in reference to MS without taking a classless shot or dig at said company? Did MS refuse to hire you in the past? Again, for someone who writes or post on a blog site, I am totally shocked at your lack of objectiveness. MS trying to keep up with Sony amazing, where was your article saying SONY’s PS$’s Eye camera trying to keep up with Microsoft’s XBOX Kinect for the Xbox One?

lindin loubeau

Seriously… another one sided article. It seems that someone has been flooding google with nothing but one sided articles within the last half hour. Every google search is leading to another one of these. Where can I find some unbiased reading. I just want the facts!!!!

VirtualMark

Why would you say it’s biased? It is reporting the facts – the PS4 looks more powerful than the Xbox One. I think the problem is that people don’t want to believe it.

Bruno Gonçalves

“in vain attempt” yeah, not biased at all… Why would anyone think that is just beyond me…

dns7950

How is that biased? I would agree that if your GPU has half as many cores as the competition, then a 150 mHz bump on the CPU is indeed a pretty vain attempt to keep up…

Bruno Gonçalves

Without knowing fully what’s the reasoning that went into this decision, you can’t really say that’s why it was done.
Not to mention that it would be indeed possible to mention the news by itself, without the whole “Ps4 is still better”. Even tough it is.

dirk

Maybe if you weren’t so defensive you would be ableto look at it logically and see it is a pretty weak attempt

VirtualMark

Well, if you only have the brains to read the title, then I can see why you might think it is biased. Although in that case, it’s hard to call what you’re doing “thinking”.

Anyhow – this is from the actual article:

“So far we have assumed that they will be comparable to the Xbox One – but if they’re 10 or 20% lower, then the performance gap between the two consoles will be fairly small.
Ultimately, as we’ve already reported numerous times, the real-world difference between the consoles is likely to be very, very small, except perhaps in console exclusives where developers program the games to make good use of console-specific architectural differences.”

Bruno Gonçalves

Well, i do have the brains to read the entire article, but used just the title to make my point. Since you, making good use of your brains, read the article, then you certainly saw this: “In a move that clearly signals Microsoft’s desperation” and this: “the PS4, by virtue of its much beefier GPU, will still be much more powerful than the Xbox One — on paper, anyway”. He puts the last part in there as kinda like: See, I’m bashing Xbone but I don’t really know.

Now, just to be clear, I’m all for Ps4 and that’s where my money will go, and I really think Microsoft is fast on it’s way to irrelevance (not that Sony is in great shape), but the article is, in fact, biased.

VirtualMark

Things aren’t looking good for Microsoft with this round of consoles, they’re just reporting that fact. I’ve never ever seen a console manufacturer make a u-turn and change policies, plus change the specs of their console a few weeks before release. Microsoft have had bad press and may well be desperate – that’s a simple observation and has nothing to do with bias.

Bruno Gonçalves

Yeah, it might as well be desperation, probably is, but I don’t know for sure, neither does the author.

Thing is I think it should have been worded as you did “may well be desperate”. Anyway, I didn’t like the way the article was written, but it’s just my opinion and it’s just as worthless or worthy as anyone else’s.

Techutante

It’s the wording. The title could have been “Xbox pushes last minute 10% speed increase to entice gamers” or “Xbox to include 10% more processor speed” or even “MS adds 10% to Xbox One CPU speed to compete with PS4”. Any of those titles would be objective, descriptive, and not at all like the current one. >.>

VirtualMark

Remember that “vain” has two meanings, it’s number 2 in this case:

1) Having or showing an excessively high opinion of one’s appearance, abilities, or worth.

2) Producing no result; useless: “a vain attempt to sleep”.

Seeing as how the PS4 has up to 50% more computing power and that the Xbox One’s speed boost is minimal, I’d say the title of the article is correct.

Techutante

A vain attempt to keep up though, is totally a biased title. We all know that processor speed isn’t the end-all-be-all of consoles. If it was just about processors, everyone would be a PC gamer like (disclaimer) I am. I could just as easily write an article titled “(Console) does something in a vain attempt to be a small form-factor computer with a relevant amount of computing power for it’s price-range, yet still can’t play PC games or multitask on the same screen.” In that light, they all look like crap don’t they? Yeah well the PS4 will have (Some small amount of Ram compared to my computer’s 24 Gigs) and a Video card that will be (Definitely not as good as 2-3 3GB cards in an SLI.) Etc

Yazzam

Not correct my friend, it’s an assumption based upon specs on paper, where I do feel many are in for a surprise when both consoles are released.

For example, the 50% more computing power is based upon the GPUs only, where the PS4’s GPU has 18 compute units and the XBox One has 12 compute units (CUs), hence 50%.

What isn’t well known is that (according to Sony) AMD’s GPU reaches it’s optimal performance at 14 CUs, where the remainder suffers from the law of diminishing returns. As a result, Sony recommends that devs restrict their game graphics to 14 CUs and use the remaining 4 CUs for GPGPU only (General Purpose computation on GPUs), which Mark Cerny expects devs to make full use of 3 to 4 years from now (such as for audio, physics etc).

So in fact, for graphics, it will be 14 CUs in the PS4 vs 12 CUs in the XBox One (ignoring the OS requirements).

There are many other factors too, such as the clock increases for the XBox GPU (and now CPU), the number of CUs reserved by the OS, GDDR5, DDR3, eSRAM and more, which means it’s not as simple as looking at the CUs and concluding that PS4 is 50% more powerful.

Devs who are creating games for both consoles are reporting that the performance difference is nothing like the assumptions of 40-50%, hence this article was correct when it said “Ultimately, as we’ve already reported numerous times, the real-world difference between the consoles is likely to be very, very small, except perhaps in console exclusives”, however I agree with others that the title of this article is wrong in claiming that it’s a vein attempt from MS.

VirtualMark

Read what I said again.. “up to 50%”. Real world differences will be found out soon enough, but for now things aren’t looking too great for the Xbox.

Still, I agree the difference in graphics will probably be minimal. It’s hard to tell the difference with this generation, let alone the next.

lindin loubeau

a move that clearly signals microsofts desperation??? And some of you actually think this is objective and unbiased. I’m not a fanboy so I guess its easier for me to see through this.

VirtualMark

I don’t see the point in boosting the CPU speed so close to the release date. All of the launch titles will have been designed to run on the original specs, so the boost won’t be needed anyhow. It might make a small difference on later titles.

Sanjay Saini

LOL games are designed for the original spec of course same hardware, increased clocks and better drivers will further increase FPS!

VirtualMark

Lol no, it’s not a PC.

TwinStripeUK

So, wait a minute – a blatantly biased and inflammatory headline and then this in the article body:

‘Ultimately, as we’ve already reported numerous times, the real-world difference between the consoles is likely to be very, very small, except perhaps in console exclusives where developers program the games to make good use of console-specific architectural differences.’

So which is it? Make your mind up, will ya?

HelterSkelter

i7 FTW!!

HelterSkelter

i7 FTW!!

GameonAll

Yet another article written by a Sony lemming – its called optimizing the configuration – seriously look it up.

Shomberlon

‘In a move that clearly signals Microsoft’s desperation to get ahead of Sony’s PlayStation 4 by any means possible.’ This starting statement alone destroys any journalistic integrity of site/writer. Maybe next time Sebastian Anthony could try being objective rather than sounding like a clueless fanboy.

dirk

Wow someone is clearly defensive of the console they are choosing. That is what this move looks like. Don’t let their latest move worry you. Just buy your x1 and be happy

ArchAngel570

Last minute changes do look desperate especially so close to mass production.

Basil Nolan

These biased articles are slowly pushing me away from this site. This is sensationalism for fans. In fact, I don’t know if this news is even relevant.

Sanjay Saini

This article is pathetic, manufacturing is in its final stages and of course hardware optimization will be done. The fact we do not have benchmarks makes this articles title bias.

ArchAngel570

The speculation on performance is clearly stated all over the article. “…will still be much more powerful than the Xbox One — on paper, anyway.” It isn’t bias, it is being said as it is seen.

Sanjay Saini

“In a move that clearly signals Microsoft’s desperation to get ahead of Sony’s PlayStation 4 by any means possible” lol I guess you missed this. First off MS has only just given official details about its SOC at the Hot Chips conference. I guess tweaking and perfecting your product before manufacturing is a sign of desperation WOW!

Dave

Yes 50% gain on paper, I wonder how much the author knows about engineering. Just like last generation of consoles the PS3 was supposed to be more powerful, however it has trouble rendering games in 1080p whereas the 360 for the same titles does not. Raw power means diddly squat when you have a superior engineered device and include such things as a ring bus instead of linear, esram, and slower but with faster latency DDR3 ram. Pull your head our of your ass.

adr

This is true, but it wasn’t 1080p , it was always up scaled 720p on both consoles, yes the ps3 struggled, but it was more powerful than the 360, and by no means did that console have a smooth ride.

Dave

So the PS3 wasn’t powerful enough to upscale to 1080p, yet the 360 was, that’s because it has EdRAM, similar to the likes of the XO EsRAM. See what I’m getting at, on paper the PS3 was awesome, but for gaming it was a terrible system with terrible online services that went down for a month because their system got hacked. The PS3 was more powerful for folding at home because it had 7FP units. However only about 30% of game processing is floating point calculations. Another great example where hardware engineering comes into play.

It’s not only about raw power, the experience and game play are also important.

adr

Really good point, I also far prefer the services offered by XBL. Again the ps4 is looking like it is just all power on paper, I feel the xbox one is much more ‘next gen’ for features.

As for me , that is how I made my decision , I understand people that are getting the PS4, but they simply cannot say they are getting it ‘because it is better’.

I am really exited for the One, the features really appeal to me as a gamer, but hopefully sony will learn with the ps4 and harness their extra power.

Ole fra trondheim

No, stop spreading false information.

The Xbox 360 had a far more powerful GPU. The only hardware where PS4 had the lead was with the CPU, since it used the Cell CPU which also made the game development for that console very difficult since its a completely different architecture than x86.

Dave

This is true about the developer tools. As far as the GPU goes both systems had custom designed GPUs when they came out. The retail equivalents were the same, what it came down to was the engineering. The 360 had a more powerful GPU because like the XO it was a completely custom designed GPU for a gaming system. What I mean by that is that towards the end it barely resembled the PC equivalent. Again it comes down to engineering, not just raw numbers, especially when they are so close to each other. Regardless I’m looking forward to the games and exclusives on both systems.

Jose P Avelar

They are both decent consoles, just comes to personal preferences. Remember to be respectful. I own both ps3 and xbox 360 and getting both new consoles because they each offer different games. In the end both Sony and Microsoft arevwinners. Plus performance wise shouldn’t matter on a console because I want be able to stick the game in play. Now if I care about fancy graphics I just play them on my gaming pc. So dont go on putting irrelevant information on the internet about each console.

Paul Lind

They have been working on the system for over three years now , to me that’s not rushed

Paul Lind

xbox live any day over anything else

Paul Lind

I guess a sony fanboy didn’t write this article

Paul Lind

ms will be able to make clock speed changes online amongst other things to improve further on later dates

Ole fra trondheim

CPU doesnt matter as long as it doesnt bottleneck the the GPU.

The PS4 GPU is still much more powerful than the Xbox One GPU.

Microsoft have increased clocks on both the CPU and GPU now. Looks to me like they can`t plan shit, and they might encounter more problems they didnt think about, like high temperatures and failing CPU and GPU.

In the meantime, Sony have stood by their hardware without changes, and same about policy, while Microsoft ran around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Sony have already won this console fight.

Oliver King

Sony has not released their clock speed , the Xbones ESRAM will more than make up for the expected performance that GDDR5 memory used in The PS4. . Games will run the same on both & consoles so you all can go screw and think otherwise.

Diago

Thats a 7% win overall, wile they are about 50% behind in total.
Microsoft marketing running over hours, on the same day as the launch got released…

Don’t fall for it folks, they will suck your money up and bail the industry.
Mark My Words.

Michael Padilla

Gotta love how the writer of this article starts with Xbox One desperately trying to catch up to PS4 power then goes on to end the article with the difference will probably be so small it won’t make a difference LOL wtf are you writing you lunatic please pick an opinion and stick with it. And by the way just so we’re all clear the PS4 has not at all released their specs or design specs of their chips so all this 50% more powerful is BS. Xbox One Chip analysis is looking like its innovating in some great ways we can no longer compare this console chip to a PC chip after this level of customization. http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/29/a-deep-dive-into-microsofts-xbox-ones-architecture/

James

They just put an article out yesterday saying the xbox one wasnt rushed. By the way the articles title is shameful. Its not in vain they sped up the gpu so it makes since to speed up the cpu it does feed the gpu after all

gotta love the bias crap of this article….they lead with MICROSOFT’S VAIN DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO KEEP UP WITH SONY……

and then way at the bottom of the article they say, , “the real-world difference between the consoles is likely to be very, very small”

Christopher Kimball

Buncha nerd talk on here

slims_post

“Xbox One CPU speed boosted by 10% in vain attempt to keep up with PS4”

This title is a “vain attemmp” to start a fanboy war to stir up traffic, you can’t expect to anyone to take this for a serious tech site if you are going to pull these kind of stunts, goodbye I’m off to find a real site with journalists.

Crapgamer

What a load of crap article. The specs are never locked in when they announce products, they were still doing initial testing. Microsoft has managed to improve the CPU and GPU and that benefits consumers and developers. Microsoft also has a full 5 gigs available for gaming, while the PS4 has 4.5. Both the PS4 and Xbox One will be comparable in terms of graphics, just like this past generation.

I’m sure some Xbox One exclusives will look amazing, and some PS4 exclusives will look amazing, but the third party stuff is going to be about the same, and the difference for me is the fact that Xbox One has the better launch lineup and dedicated servers on everything. I don’t think it’s a vain attempt to do anything other than offer the best possible product to the people.

Krakn3dfx

“Microsoft also has a full 5 gigs available for gaming, while the PS4 has 4.5.”

This has been debunked by several PS4 developers, the system allocates 4.5GB by default, and another 1GB as “flex memory” that can be used by developers if needed. Also, the XB1’s memory architecture is locked into place, so the 3GB footprint for the OS partition would be difficult to change, while Sony’s method makes it easy for them to allocate even more memory to games as they optimize the OS and shrink down it’s requirements over time, which both companies were able to do and gain substantial performance gains from during the current generation.

I’m sure you’ll just deny all of this, but I thought I would at least try to let you know the facts.

Crapgamer

I already know the facts, it wasn’t debunked by Sony at all. It was stated that developers “COULD” access 1 more gig if they wanted to, but the problem with that would be you probably couldn’t use other features in the OS that the extra gig was intended for, which means it’s just Sony being Sony. They always fudge numbers, shipped instead of sold, never give PSN+ subscriber numbers, never an accurate account of how many unique PSN users there are, that’s how Sony operates.

I personally have 9 PSN accounts, and I don’t know anyone with less than 5.

That being said, I wasn’t faulting Sony for having less, I think 4.5 is overkill when coming from a generation where 512mb was the standard, and PS3 didn’t even have that and seemed to do fine. In my opinion Sony needs to use as much memory for the OS as possible, no updates to the looks of the XMB its entire life is unacceptable to me.

Krakn3dfx

K then, enjoy that hole of hate you’ve dug for yourself then.

Crapgamer

Hole of hate? I have a PS3 as well. I am buying an Xbox One at launch simply because it has the better lineup of games, and dedicated servers for the online games. Simple as that.

Techutante

The Proof is in the Pudding, as they say. All else is baseless speculation.

James Tolson

i hope i live in a “lucky country” that does not get an Xbox at all

Joel Detrow

Because having a choice is bad.

Krakn3dfx

“Specs don’t matter.” – Albert Penello, Microsoft Xbox Division

Rocco

First off this Article is biased just from the title alone and then just reading the first paragraph. Good Job Sabastian Anothny. Won’t be reading your hate articles ever again.

Ironmanxrs2

This “article” is hot garbage. Instead of focusing on the console wars and calling a cpu boost useless, why don’t we talk about how this could potentially help games. 150Mhz x 8 cores is a 1.2Ghz boost in CPU performance.

Oh Dear

Clearly the writer understand fully about silicon binning before writing this article. Just because AMD sells Jaguar based CPU’s at 2GHz doe not mean MS are underclocking their CPU cores. AMD sells multiple different variants of their CPU so they can bin out multiple different speed grades – most of which are sold significantly under 2Ghz and the 2GH versions are likely relatively low volume SKU’s. The XBOX One SOC is custom with MS as the only customer and so they do not have the luxury of different speed grades as they have to pick the speed that accommodates the highest volume of parts across the wafer.
I see he’s claiming in the comments that this offers “more” information than other articles, yet I see more misinformation and incorrect conjecture. Terrible headline, terrible article.

Sledg

roflmao

“Based in the middle of nowhere, England, Sebastian finds his lonely, friendless-hobo existence to provide the perfect vantage point for bias-free, objective opinionation. A gamer and engineer since a very young age (he famously took a VHS machine apart at the age of 18 months, and later started a school bus at 24 months), he not only likes to tear things to pieces, he also likes to find out what makes things tick. When not writing or editing, he travels, enjoys theatre and live music, sells his own fine-art photographs, and — despite popular consensus, and his dark, grizzly visage — he is actually quite young.”

yea really just for press reasons the hardware has not changed just the way they list it has. for more info on this and other great ps4/xbox1 news make sure and bookmark so video gaming the social news video gaming aggregator

Marcus Salles

PS4 greater power is pure speculation. Maybe it´s indeed more powerful, maybe it is not. Xbox titles are running beautifully in 1080p@60fps and the same can not be said of PS4. For me, actual game performance is more of an evidence than some numbers written on paper.

Kreten

Oh god first fricking sentence explains this guy has no clue how is 8 core cpu having 1.6ghz vs 1.75ghz 150MHz difference? Isn’t it actually 1200MHz difference.
He’s calling it increase when he has no confirmation that this hasn’t been the case all along. It was speculated that gpu was at 800mhz and cpu at 1.6ghz but never confirmed and now when they actually say they are at 853mhz and 1.75ghz they twist it as if they were right and microsoft just was desparate and upclocked. Does it strike anyone that people speculating might of been wrong?

Jeff Martinez

It’s Sony this time around, for sure. Keep fiddling with the X1 MS, just like your decisions to take back your original strategy, your now tweaking the box. Sony just sit back and watch the turn of the tide.

Lucas Kim

There are currently over 180 games in development for the PS4.
Sony has better exclusives. I am an Xbox 360 gamer, I was going to buy the Xbox One but Microsoft cheated about the DRM, always online and the kinect has to be plugged in for the console to work. This is one of the main reasons I am buying a PS4 because Sony is straightforward from the start and you get f2p games and don’t forget PS Plus games.

Robbie Yarber

The toughest thing for me about switching to PlayStation will be letting go of Halo.

Lucas Kim

I am a big fan of Halo loved every game but dont worry you have exclusive content with Destiny on PS4 as well as Assassins Creed 4, Watchdogs.

Robbie Yarber

I guess we’ll find out if Destiny can fill the empty spot where Halo was.

Lucas Kim

Hope so. Destiny looks like a Halo open world with more alien species and planets to explore.

Cary Ballard

First off the Xbone doesn’t need either the “always online” or the kinect. Secondly, who plays games offline anymore? The future is online gaming.

FuckTheWorld

Not everyone likes to play online.. I dont wanna play with a bunch of 12 year olds who have too much time to sit and eat cheetos and play Halo or COD and nerd rage like some adhd child on meth.. Playing online is, in my opinion, overrated..

David

“If you’re a core gamer — the demographic that console makers primarily target — the speed bump sounds like you’re getting some extra performance for free. In reality, this is just marketing swill; the PS4, by virtue of its much beefier GPU, will still be much more powerful than the Xbox One — on paper, anyway.”

Well, this would be right, except for the part where it’s wrong. It sounds like you are getting some extra performance for free because you are, although I would object to the wording, since only those who have already pre-ordered and paid based on the old specs are actually getting anything for free.

Whether or not the Xbox One is twice as powerful or half as powerful as the PS4 doesn’t change the fact that MS just bumped the specs without bumping the price. Please turn the raging homer knob down a few notches when you write articles for public consumption.

David Hernandez

Why are we fighting about x1 and ps4, who cares which has flawed less. Lets just hope both consoles come out flaw free and enjoy what we love, Which is GAMING!!!

Lee

Agreed, both systems will be good, both have great gaming that will be made, both will be badass, haters can hate if they choose but the bitching bout it is pretty lame. Just wait for the games and enjoy it.

Rocco

I agree.

Rocco

I’m hanging around you and Lee. I Agree with both of you. I already got my hands on both consoles and played it for hours at the GameStop Convention. Both were great and Amazing in Graphics, but the Xbox has me sold on its features, games, and RYSE was unreal to play.

Pimp

Anyone who is that concerned about specs should just play games on a PC

Ron

Bias. The destroyer of any piece of writing.

John Pombrio

Shame on you Sebastian. Completely missed that MS spent $3 billion dollars with AMD to heavily customize the CPU/GPU chip. Will that affect gameplay and social media? Time will tell, but we are NOT comparing apples with oranges here.

justerthought

RROD Alert!!!

PS4 = More expensive components and faster data speeds, so more power at a lower clock rate. That means it runs cool because it’s a quality design.

XB1 = Less expensive components and slower data speeds, so lower power, hence the need to overclock the CPU and GPU. That means it will run hot with little gain, because it’s a poor quality design.

Conclusion: The PS4 runs cool at 5-35 degrees celsius with a small concise enclosure. That gives a lot of headroom because 60 degrees celsius is the solder melting RROD + YLOD zone. In contrast, the XB1 has a huge ugly enclosure to allow airflow within the unit and a truly massive fan to get rid of heat. Will this be enough to avoid RROD with high ambient temperatures during summer. Good job XB1 is launching in the winter. They are clearly tempting fate and have a defence system in place for the excess heat. Very poor sloppy design attitude compared to the precision of PS4. All systems need some form of cooling, but the ideal situation is to run cool in the first place, rather than be forced to deal with it. The paradox is that the XB1 is the most expensive, even when you remove Kinect out ot the equation. Adding a free game is a short term bonus, because you’re still stuck with a gimped console for the long term.

Motto: Stopping yourself becoming ill in the first place is far better than treating it.

thestoebz

It’s like comparing the design of an Indy Car to that of a Kia Forte. One is efficient and powerful, the other is inefficient and slow.

Danny B

Im glad i have met someone that works at both sony and ms and has all the headroom and heat specs of each set up. you must be a spy that helped build both units. i will believe everything you tell me.

justerthought

No need to be sarcastic friend. The information is in the public domain for all to see if you look. You do not need to work for Sony or MS. For example, the PS4 operating temperature had to be revealed when the product was tested for FCC approval prior to release in the US due to local laws. The PS4 operating temperature is clearly listed in the FCC license document. It’s nothing sinister, I’m just passing on the facts using good research.

martychief

I would love to know how you know what is under the hood of any next gen console? And how much it costs… ITs is laughable.
Lets be serious for a moment and just contemplate the fact that until it comes out and becomes an established piece of kit and developers have had even more time with it to milk the power out of both will we truly know which is best. Either way both will have great games and i will be buying both to take advantage of exclusives from naughty dog, 343 and santa monica studios anyone who limits themselves to one console limites there enjoyment out of pure blind loyalty.
rrod was unfortunate but let us not forget that it was also a great console which had some of the best games ever produced, Halo 3, reach, Gears of war, Fable etc….Skyrim played better on 360 even though it was less powerful than the ps3. Game install was added to help prevent rrod. They always came through to rectify the mistake.

justerthought

My comment is not laughable at all. It is based on fact and their implication. The contents of each console are no mystery. It’s all in the public domain if you go and look for it. For example, the PS4 operating temperature had to be disclosed in order to pass the FCC product assessment before it can be released in US. If you read the document, it clearly states the PS4 runs between 5 and 35 degrees Celsius.

Just Google ‘ps4 35 degrees’ if you don’t believe me.

XB1 electronics will be running hot. Look at the huge fan. They have even over clocked the CPU and GPU 10% to try and squeeze out some extra juice in the face of the PS4 power superiority. Over clocking generates extra heat. Low clock speeds run cool. PS4 is only 1.6 Ghz but it is still more powerful due to superior RAM, GPU and all the data runs on a faster bus.

We have a lot of info about what’s inside now, so if you have a brain, it’s easy to use work out which will be the more power.

Again we have MS fanboys looking to the past so they can fins some form of smug comfort from the PS3’s flaws. Yes Skyrim ran like shit on PS3. But if you look at what’s on the table now with PS4, the spec clearly indicates that won’t happen again.

There is a huge power disparity straight out the gate even before we talk about devs milking extra power in future. Unlike PS3, that power goes straight to the games this time. Zero bottlenecks.

Crazy Albo

Microsoft will dominate. I have been playing many different systems and games all my life.. I have played Nintendo Microsoft and Sony consoles as if I was getting paid to do so. I don’t want your thumbs up or down just shove your thumb up your own ass and read carefully. This is not something hard to understand, Sony is fairly desperate and it shows. I can’t stand people in general but Sony fans take the cake for being the most gullible by far. There is a reason Sony keeps talking about specs even though they know better. I said this before and I’ll say it again, Microsoft dominates software, with the funds to back it up. People will continue to praise their decision even after it is made clear so trying to convince people is pointless and is not my goal here, Sony will be trashed, of course they will sell their product and make their money, but comparative to the Xbox one it will be a joke. The 21 century is about online gaming, soon our tablets will surpass the ps4 and Xbox one in specs, and it will happen soon ( in the Xbox one and ps4 generation ) making specs obsolete. What will determine the ” winner ” will be exclusive games, gimmicks, multiplayer, and funding. It may be hard for people to understand this but in this new world it will go software > hardware. Sony fans don’t feel so special about their ps4 when their smart phone or tablet ” has better specs ” in the next few years. People tend to lack common sense, Microsoft has so much money, they could buy out Sony and turn the next PlayStation into an accessory for the next Xbox.

Danny B

i agree 100%. Microsoft innovates….sony wasnt ready for the future. better software and better online infrastructure. so sony throws around their specs that in the real world will make little difference. MS knows how to optimize their system with amazing software.

Guest

Microsoft will dominate. I have been playing many different systems and games all my life.. I have played Nintendo Microsoft and Sony consoles as if I was getting paid to do so. I don’t want your thumbs up or down just read carefully. This is not something hard to understand, Sony is fairly desperate and it shows. I can’t stand people in general but Sony fans take the cake for being the most gullible by far. There is a reason Sony keeps talking about specs even though they know better. I said this before and I’ll say it again, Microsoft dominates software, with the funds to back it up. People will continue to praise their decision even after it is made clear so trying to convince people is pointless and is not my goal here, Sony will be trashed, of course they will sell their product and make their money, but comparative to the Xbox one it will be a joke. The 21 century is about online gaming, soon our tablets will surpass the ps4 and Xbox one in specs, and it will happen soon ( in the Xbox one and ps4 generation ) making specs obsolete. What will determine the ” winner ” will be exclusive games, gimmicks, multiplayer, and funding. It may be hard for people to understand this but in this new world it will go software > hardware. Sony fans won’t feel so special about their ps4 when their smart phone and tablet ” has better specs ” in the next few years. People tend to lack common sense, Microsoft has so much money, they could buy out Sony and turn the next PlayStation into an accessory for the next Xbox.

I have been reading this site for a couple months now, but the constant
bias shown in the articles is getting old. Time to find a more
un-biased tech news site and remove extreme tech from my live feeds…

Cary Ballard

The fact of the matter is that Sony has let me down ever since the release of the PS2: Bad controller, bad games, and bad online connection.

The fact of the matter is that Microsoft has created the best console gaming servers, which by the way, have never been hacked (unlike Sony).

The fact of the matter is that game play on both systems will be similar. Differences in GPU speed and CPU speed will be unnoticable, kind of like the 360 and PS3.

Shawn Schaitel

live has been hacked more than PSN Microsoft is just at better covering it up in fact i know many people myself that have been hacked

Cary Ballard

If you want to play the most powerful machine in gaming but suffer the loss of simple online gaming, then by all means the PC is right for you. Have you ever tried to online game on a PC! Its like trying to navigate through a hundred pages of “Where’s Waldo.”
The PS4 has nothing to offer that Microsoft hasn’t already perfected. So if the only reason that you want to chose the PS4 is because of the of faster GPU, you will be dissapointed in the lack of game software, controller that fits your hand perfectly, and the worst online server ever created.

FuckTheWorld

Everything in the second half of your paragraph is PURE OPINION and not fact. MOST of the games, since both the ps3 and 360 released are made for both consoles.. The controller thing is pure opinion.. Some like the way the PS controller feels and others like the way the X controller feels.. Its purely up to the INDIVIDUAL gamer. I have big hands but the ps controller works for me. As far as the worse online server ever created.. I have played online on both consoles and there really isnt much of a difference outside of party chat and other lil features… But they both play fine for me as far as service goes.. And yes.. A couple years ago sony got hacked but they fixed it and it hasnt happened since. Sony has some great exclusives. The Last Of Us, Uncharted, inFamous, Killzone, etc etc.. Just next time be a little more subjective instead of passing off your opinions as fact sir. Thanks

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.

The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.

The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.

“Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).

Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.

That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.

Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.

1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.

2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.

3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.

The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.

With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? who cares about a stupid cpu right?

Myra, could I just say, you are a most beautiful woman, that’s it.
Ps4 forever. (x xbox fanboy)

Jeff

RROD 2.0…

M$ $ony

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.

The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.

The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.

Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).

Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.

That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.

Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.

1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.

2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.

3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.

The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.

With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? Who cares about a stupid cpu right?

xoj_21

microsoft shill stop posting, what u saying its not true

M$ $ony

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.

The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.

The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.

Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).

Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.

That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.

Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.

1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.

2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.

3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.

The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.

With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? Who cares about a stupid cpu right?

M$ $ony

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.
The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.
The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.
Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).
Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.
That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.
Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.
1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.
2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.
3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.
The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.
With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? Who cares about a stupid cpu right?

M$ $ony

Why you let me no post!

BrightBart

These types of articles crack me up. Actual developers making actual games have stated numerous times that both machines are very comparable. Of course that would require the author to have some actual industry sources and not just random posters on NeoGAF.

RoadShow

Micro$oft running scared. Multiple 180’s desperately trying to win back some customers. Grossly under powered hardware calling for 2 performance boosts and still under powered. lying to their customers acting like the cloud is going to come in and save their crappy hardware.

PS4 has far more power, army of exclusive studios, free exclusive content in best AAA games (Destiny, Watchdogs, Black Flag), free games via PS+ on PS4/PS3/Vita, cheaper price, a lot more controller functionality and features like touch pad, blue tooth, gyroscope, batteries, light bar (and for $60 where X1 controls are $60+$25 for battery pack making each $85 — $75 still bundled yet still lacking the tech PS4 controller got).

and PS4 doesn’t paywall anything other than the online play (which you also get free games with). Basically without PS+ you can still browse, stream, play single player, watch blu ray, play free to play titles, use video capture/upload, video chat, cross game chat and more and on X1 without $300 every 5 years for XBL worthless service you can only play single player and watch blu ray.

M$ $ony

You know nothing!

RoadShow

Then do your own research dumb ass. Look up what you can do on Xbox One without paying for xbox live compared what you can do on PS4 without paying for PS+.

Then look up the “benefits” of xbox live compared to PS+

Then look up the “free exclusive content” for both. It does look like Xbox is going to finally give some exclusive content but not nearly like Playstation has for years upon years in addition to the huge titles PS4 has it for. Destiny, Watchdogs, Black Flag.

Fweds

Sony fanboys sound desperate.

Latest news PS4 Gaikai has now more or less been sh
crapped i
n Europe as it can’t work with their broadband speed.

M$ $ony

The PS4 CU and the Durango CUs are directly comparable because they come from the same vendor and is of same generation. The PS4 APU has 18 CUs, 10 of which are for rendering and 8 are for OpenCL compute tasks. The Durango GPU has 12 CUs, all of which are dedicated to graphics rendering. Microsoft chip’s secret sauce is in the CPU whose FPU is much more powerful than the Jaguar’s FPU and run compute tasks directly on the CPU instead of CU shaders.

The Xbox 360 CPU suffered from horrible 500 cycle stalls(Worse than CELL’s stall) upon an L2 cache miss. The Xbox One CPU has wonderful 32 eSRAM to make that L2 cache miss only a few cycle stall. Furthermore the Xbox One’s CPU cores are “Microsoft Custom” with 6 ops/cycle, vs 4 ops cycle normal “Jaguar” used in the PS4 APU. The difference is that while the Xbox One does its physics on the CPU, the PS4 offloads them to the 4 Compute Only CUs.

The eSRAM is not directly managed by a programmer; it is managed at the OS virtual memory manager and should be invisible to a programmer. It is sort of like virtual memory; frequently accessed main memory pages are mapped to eSRAM pages. Developers need not worry.

Less heat generation due to lots of CU idling(Xbox One’s CU’s run at near 100% efficiency due to eSRAM) and low power Jaguar Cores(Xbox One’s 6-ops/cycle “Microsoft Custom” CPU is 50% wider).

Games won’t have anything other than a tree-traversal based AI this gen unless you outsource it to cloud like Microsoft’s proposing.

That, no one’s worried because of the heavy optimization on the Xbox One’s GPU. The embedded memory historically has done wonders for console graphics, making it twice as efficient as a GPU relying on external memory.

Why you may not see the PS4 outrunning the Xbox One in multiplatform games.

1. GDDR5 : GDDR5 is a high-latency memory which is particularly bad for CPUs where an L2 cache miss will result in a stall of hundreds of cycles, especially since there is a memory contention with the GPU. The Xbox One not only has lower-latency DDR3 to begin with, but the CPU can access data from memory faster because there is less memory contention to main memory thanks to the eSRAM.

2. PS4 has only 14 graphics CUs vs 12 graphics CUs for the Xbox One : Contrary to a popular misconception it is not 18 vs 12, but 14 vs 12 because the PS4’s CU is 14 graphics + 4 compute only CUs. Couple this with the effect of eSRAM and the Xbox One may actually outrun the PS4 in graphics performance. The PS4 will definitely outdo the Xbox One in physics heavy games, but not in regular kind of games.

3. Xbox One has dedicated Kinect processing hardware, while the PS4 must use 4 Compute CUs for the next-generation Move censor processing : The Xbox One has a definite edge over the PS4 in motion sensor based games where the PS4 versions will slow down.

The Xbox 360 suffered from a 500 cycle latency in case of an L2 cache miss which in turn caused a CPU stall, and this problem was particularly worse for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 because of GDDR3 with high latency. The problem was so bad that IBM included L2 cache prefetch instructions in the Xbox 360 CPU instruction set, so that the compiler can schedule the L2 cache load.

With the Xbox One’s memory set up, the CPU L2 cache can be filled quickly due to the combination of eSRAM removing 90% of GPU bandwidth requirement and low-latency DDR3, while the PS4 APU’s CPU cores will now stall like the Xbox 360’s CPU cores did due to a bandwidth contention with the GPU and the high latency of the GDDR5 memory.” – This is why sony does not bother talking about the cpu:) Every interview they praise the gpu and EVER/RARELY talk about the cpu? Who cares about a stupid cpu right?

Crazy Albo

Toggle comments to show new comments first and stop spamming

M$ $ony

Thanks Bro! I was wondering wtf was going on!

Gary

You’re saying that Sony ordered wholesale hardware left it stock and assembled it into a console…which is pretty ignorant. I’m pretty sure Sony know’s how to customize their own hardware as well.

MS is just showing their insecurities. They throw the word “optimized” like it’s copyrighted by them. Overclocking is just going to lead to more heat and a shorter life span for their console. I don’t think it was worth it.

M$ $ony

The Gpu and Cpu were underclocked to begin with. In addition, my comment directly relates as to what we know right now. Sony is keeping tight lipped about the PS4. Why? I don’t know…

What do you think the chances are of the Xbox One having 8 GB of DDR3 (host GPU) + dGPU (guest GPU) + 47 mb of on chip storage? There are some interesting theories out there that the Xbox One could be using two GPUs as the math and some of the power points Microsoft has shown is pointing towards the Xbox One having a Main SoC and a discrete GPU. Also, the reason we may not of heard about the dGPU is because, Microsoft may have a contract with certain companies where they cannot disclose the information until 29 September 2013.

xoj_21

not really ps4 have ALU that does all the physics math.
so graphics wise ps4 have 50% more performance all superior gpu to graphics
its straight write and compile system, to take advance of ESRAM u have to program for it.
if u seen Wii-u, no one will do it other than first party

Pick the console of your choice that has the games you want to play, etc. It’s your opinion ignore what other people say.

Joe Leighton

Oh chirst, your all so pathetic and childish

Walter White

This just sounds like console optimization, I would mention it too, its a hardware feat in line with keeping everything a cool temperature as well keeping it quiet. There are other rumours though too about Microsoft’s console’s actual system architecture, the truth as “Major Nelson” puts it-( ign article reference). Whether its all as monumental as it plays out to be; ‘personally it has no effect on My console choice’ I think there’s more to come information wise for the internet sponges of society to soak up; nonetheless.

All “talk” aside Sony touts face value Consumer technical knowledge ‘which is probably very shallow,’ almost like its patterned behaviour now for their console launches. It’s well reputed now that the 360 was Better designed with developers in mind and simply handled software better because of the hardware efforts at Microsoft, ‘I’m a fan of John Carmack.” A console can be more powerful than some kind of military super computer but If it can’t read a disc or have what’s on the disc be properly programmed to be compatible with the hardware on the Most Ideal level, than you have the weaker product.

Walter White

This just sounds like console optimization, I would mention it too, its a hardware feat in line with keeping everything a cool temperature as well keeping it quiet. There are other rumours though too about Microsoft’s console’s actual system architecture, the truth as “Major Nelson” puts it-( ign article reference). Whether its all as monumental as it plays out to be; ‘personally it has no effect on My console choice’ I think there’s more to come information wise for the internet sponges of society to soak up; nonetheless.

All “talk” aside Sony touts face value Consumer technical knowledge ‘which is probably very shallow,’ almost like its patterned behaviour now for their console launches. It’s well reputed now that the 360 was Better designed with developers in mind and simply handled software better because of the hardware efforts at Microsoft, ‘I’m a fan of John Carmack.” A console can be more powerful than some kind of military super computer but If it can’t read a disc or have what’s on the disc be properly programmed to be compatible with the hardware on the Most Ideal level, than you have the weaker product.

Jerrell Griffin

The thing that really burns me up is when all the sony gamers come down on microsoft games.They talk about how xbox 360 be making the same titles over & over.Hell sony does the same shit too coming out with another killzone infamous & all you sony fans know it will be another god of war & uncharted for the next gen.So stop hating on microsoft cause you gamers all had a xbox 360 at one point or temporary.

xoj_21

u clearly only play crappy FPS.
because sony have naughty dog and santa monica. just look at the last of us.

Whoops

Oh dear , are the ps 4 buyers going to have to wait 12 months to play online with no glitches or lag. Sony appear to have no new dedicated servers ready for release and they quoted it is work in progress over the next year lmao

Michael Mullis

I stopped reading after the first three words.

xoj_21

but its true, real worse the performance improvement will be like 5fps.

while ps4 will still ahve 20fps lead.

themans

All these arguing comments… Quite frankly I’ve separated myself from the issue as I was always going to be getting a PS4 anyways, but.. What I’m actually wondering is if this time next year we won’t be talking about an announcement that Microsoft is pulling out of the console market… Because I’ve seen plenty of systems released, and not even the red ring itself tops the things I’ve been hearing about this new X-Box system… This is BAD publicity… BAD marketing… Its a BAD release… I guess only time will tell. They may have “Sega’ed” themselves here…

CJ

Well that was a wonderful article. Clearly not biased at all. Bravo, Mr Anthony.

martychief

@crapgamer & @matthew Bryant. There are glimmers of fact and truth in what you are both saying. we are all fanboys and that is what will sway your pre order or eventual purchase. I play both ps3 and Xbox however sway more towards Xbox because of HALO. Knowbody can actually say which will look or play better till release and hardware failure is irrelevant at this stage.All the comments about 50% more powerful come from devs whose opinion I do value however from the specs we knew that any way they say it is easy to develop for but so is the x1 and they are comparing it to ps3 architecture which was difficult to develop for. I think the cloud will play an integral part in the next gen without doubt and both consoles have experience having consoles peak at different times and I am sure the same will be said of this generation. The differences in terms of power won’t be seen for a few years except in exclusives where I do feel ps4 will edge it as they go into next gen on the back of unchartered 3, last of us and beyond 2 souls which were dazzling and immpecable gaming. Xbox has been weak in this regard having failed with gears of war judgement. Halo 4 was strong though. I am a massive fan of god of war and Santa Monica studios. I will buy both but for online gaming, fifa & halo I will be sticking with Xbox pre order.

Samuel Root Jr.

Silly Microshits, a 10% overclock will only boost performance by less than 1%.
But at the same time might cause stabitly issues and/or heat issues.

And the difference in power between PS4 and Xbox One is the OS.
Xbox One is said to use far more RAM and CPU power for the OS, which leads to less for games.

Truly this generation of consoles will show how little the console devs know about the gaming industry.
We want to play games, not watch TV/movies, listen to music, and/or anything that isnt about gaming.

We have Computers, TVs, Smart phones, and Tablets for everything else.

Luos Deifidom

i dont think the word “overclock” is whats happened as these chips are already down clocked substantialy, even the PS4 has a max of 2.75ghz but is only speculated in at 1.6ghz and any increase would be due to the availability of performance head room in the areas you mentioned (stability and heat).

Also is there a confirmation of resources allocated to OS’s yet, the last rumored stats ive seen were
PS4 running a variable amount for games 4.5-5.5gb for games
XB1 running a solid 5gb for games
the variable amount is from a solid 4.5gb and possibly 1gb extra allocation through some feature the PS4 MAY have. like i said all ive see are rumors at the moment, it would be good to see a link to something more concrete

Cast Naphi

Personally i think that this is the most ridiculous marketing campaingn. Every body talk about specs like where a computer ingeniers designer. Triying to compare a diferent architectures just by the mhz numbers. This is only a new console cycle, and ofcource
all thes cpu s are less powerfull than a mothern pc, but memory and
videocard make the diference in games. Can you imagined to compared a i7
quad at 3.8ghz vs i5 at 3.8 ghz???? what its fast and why? are
diferents architectures, even i7 at 3ghz its fast than i5 at 3.8. But
understand than any if both can render a good game without a good memory
and video card.

Cast Naphi

victims of marketing! afther all in 4 years we see this stupid discusion again and you can see actual next generation like is it, a cheap circuit box with extrmely exagerated specs that dont mather. But you pay $450 to 600 for this gen, be prepared for the $700 to 800 on the next gen just to play call of duty ultra, hiperrealistic, ultra estended fotorealistic gold edition and one free sticker.

Stu

I seem to remember the PS3 had tech problems as well,….overheating,….some dev’s have openly said the they have overheating concerns with the PS4. just looking on the internet, the general consensus seems to be the the Xbox One has the best games line up, to the extent that there are online petitions by PS4 fans asking for Xbox one games to come to the PS4.

AmusedReader

This is the most retardedly biased website I have ever come across.

leonard

XBOX fanboy?

Jared Thomson

Really? You start by reminding us “Microsoft isn’t magically pushing the envelope on these cores” which is true, and throughput isn’t measured so plainly (or statically) but then go sony dick-stroking with: “50% more compute units (cores), and thus 50% higher theoretical peak performance”.

Man, that’s inaccurate and the bias on this article can be smelt from a mile away. Just give us the facts, some insight, and tell us what you think. Please respect your audience enough not to put a carrot out in front of your opinion. We’ll follow you if we agree with your interpretation of the information you give us. I for one don’t want to be lead into an opinion with sensationalism.

who gives a flying fvck about PS4? its just fanboys keeping sony going lol we all know the SEXBOX rules ALL and the only game I respect and actually enjoyed on playstation is Metal Gear Solid games which are way over most of you jews heads and i believe you can play the newer metal gears on sexbox one now so suck on that ya filthy animals!

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