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Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Telangana 53: Raj in Bangalore

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Raj is a Malayalee from Kerala who migrated to Bangalore with his wife and a kid when he got a job with an MNC in Bangalore. He looked for a nice apartment and moved in. After settling down he realized that apartment building consists of Tamils, Telugus, Malayalees, Marathis, and North Indians. The maids at his home are Tamilians.

He was happy that he was in a cosmopolitan environment surrounded by people from different regions. But he never bothered to notice that there were no Kannadigas in the entire building. At work, he made friends with many kinds of people. It included non-Indians, and Indians from various regions. There were few Kannadigas but they spoke English or Hindi and looked like any other Indian in their deportment and makeup.

The only Kannadigas who spoke Kannada were auto drivers, with whom he had bitter experiences in haggling fares. Other than that he did not know many Kannadigas who spoke Kannada. ‘Jaasti’ ‘Swalpa’ were good enough words to talk to an auto driver, and that’s all he knew about the region around Bangalore – those few words.

Once in a while he saw few auto drivers carrying the regional flags. He didn’t bother to understand what the flag meant, whether it was red on top or yellow on top. He didn’t bother to see the insignia on the flag either. As far as he is concerned, these flag-bearing auto drivers and low class workers were a major nuisance because they stopped traffic once in a while during their dharnas and bandhs.

He didn’t pay any attention to regional politics and skipped all the newspaper pages which covered regional issues, reading only about national and international issues. His lifestyle did not involve any Kannada festivals or events. He was in a cosmopolitan city but for some reason the element of Kannadiga was missing from it, and if it was there, he could afford to ignore it. He didn’t have to learn or know anything about local Kannadigas, their issues, their lifestyles or their politics. He didn’t have to interact with any local Kannadigas when he was going to the mall, or the movies, or the restaurants. For all practical purposes he never noticed them.

One time he wanted some plumbing job done at home. When the Kannadiga workers came to repair, they didn’t come on time, were lazy, and did a shoddy job. When he brought some Tamil workers, they came on time and did a good job. His opinion about Kannadigas further strengthened – they are all lazy, incompetent and shirkers of work, no wonder he didn’t see them contributing to the growth of Bangalore.

After few years of happy living in Bangalore during which he bought himself a nice house, one fine day he got stuck in the traffic because there was big dharna. Many local Kannadigas appeared out of nowhere and started making protests. He got to know that something was happening with alteration of state boundaries. Two districts in the North Karnataka are going to join Maharashtra. He had absolutely no idea why something like that was happening. He never bothered to understand the history of the region either.

Over the next few days, bandhs and agitations intensified. Suddenly his life was being affected by local Kannadigas who were in the background till yesterday. For all he knew, it was his city, his malls, his restaurants. So who are these people who appeared suddenly from nowhere? While he was working hard and sincere to make his and his family’s life better, these unemployed goons are unnecessarily spoiling the city atmosphere. Why are these people disturbing his otherwise peaceful and prosperous cosmopolitan life? Why are they disrupting everything that was dear to him with their agitations?

After few more bandhs, he gets fed up with these regional politics. He notices that there is a voice in the city which is seeking a referendum for the city of Bangalore to become a union territory out of Karnataka. The immigrants of Bangalore want to get out of this regional mess. They just want to go about doing their jobs and live their lives without getting affected by these regional thugs.

The message of these immigrant Bangaloreans is clear and Raj immediately identifies with it. The city of Bangalore was built by the immigrant population, the Tamils, the Malayalees, the Telugus, the Marathis and many North Indians. Otherwise Bangalore was a laid back city acting like a haven for retired and old age people. Only when the immigrants came in did the city become prosperous, became the Silicon Valley of India. Without immigrant population and their investments, this city would have never have become so developed.

Now, the immigrants ask why they should be part of petty regional politics. When they came to the city they saw the map of Karnataka that was united. Now that two districts in North are getting separated, now that the borders are being realigned, why can't they exercise their option to wean the city away from Karnataka and become a union territory, away from regional politics? Since none of the immigrants identify with the local goons/hooligans/rowdies anyway, why should they be forced to stay with these local Kannadigas?

They start seeking support of all the immigrants in the city who comprise a majority over the local population. Raj discovers that there is a conclave of Muslims on the other side of the city. During his entire stay in Bangalore he has never visited those parts of the city. He has never known about those people. Most of the immigrants avoided those parts of the city. He did not identify with them in religion or language. In fact, the immigrants derided upon the local Kannadigas because of the influence of these Muslims on their language.

While the rest of the city boomed and became developed, this conclave of Muslims was neglected completely. There were shacks and slums in that part of the city. Till yesterday, no immigrant really bothered to understand the plight of this section of the city. However, today these Muslims have become attractive to the cause of immigrants. They realize that Muslims of Bangalore city have had some bad history with local Kannadigas. Raj and his fellow immigrants now extend warm sympathies to get their support for seeking a union territory.

Soon these immigrants become a strong voice using the support of Muslims in the city, and force the government of India to hold a referendum in the Bangalore. The local Kannadigas hold major protests in the city against the referendum for Bangalore city. However, the government decides to go ahead with the referendum. The Army is called in and the city is cordoned off, and only the residents of Bangalore are allowed to vote in the referendum. Since immigrants are in the majority in the city they clearly win. The Union Territory of Bangalore is created in the middle of Kannada region without the consent of Kannadigas, completely against their wishes. The new Karnataka is forced to shift its capital city to Mysore. Bangalore’s Vidhan Soudha and other buildings become the administration houses for the new Union Territory of Bangalore where the immigrants are in majority.

Seeing this trend in Bangalore, the Bihari and Bangladeshi immigrants of Kolkata seek a referendum for their city. There too, the immigrants win over the locals, and the Union Territory of Kolkata is formed out of West Bengal. West Bengal shifts its capital city to Kharagpur.

Encouraged by these trends the immigrants of Mumbai make similar demands. However, the local Marathas gang up and start rioting against immigrant businesses. They start making threats to the immigrants to leave Mumbai. Many buses and trains coming from outside the state are stopped and non-Marathi passengers are not allowed to enter Mumbai. Top movie stars are harassed. Army is called in to stop the riots in the streets of Mumbai.

Chennai witnesses similar incidents. Massive protests are raised against all immigrants. Non-Tamils are kicked out of the city immediately.

Meanwhile the situation in the new Union Territory of Bangalore heats up. One day Raj wakes up to find that there is no water coming from his taps. He watches TV news and finds out that local Kannadigas who were upset that immigrant Bangaloreans have weaned away their city from their region have cut the water supplies. The next day, he wakes up to find there is no power. The power grid was sabotaged outside Bangalore and there is no electricity in the entire city. For next three days, the people of Bangalore live in darkness.

The locals also cut off vegetable supplies. The tomatoes now costs 200 per kg. The next week, Raj finds the sewer water coming out into his apartment basement. The sewers are overflowing and flooding the streets of Bangalore. The TV news shows how the locals have dammed the sewer that goes out of Bangalore city. The city has come to a grounding halt, completely crippled. Raj realizes for the first time how the arteries and veins of his city run through the region that surrounds them. Till yesterday, he thought he was cut off from the region surrounding the city.

After 4 weeks of such protests, a major MNC in Bangalore announces that it is closing its operations in India and leaving India for good. They get a report from their embassy that the turmoil is going to worsen in all Indian cities. Since most cities in India have more immigrants than the locals, they predict that most Indian cities will see targeting of the immigrants. Bangalore has a set a precedent where majority immigrants wean the city away from the region through referendums.

After that most other MNCs in India announce plans to close their operations in India. Foreign investors start pulling out their money en masse. Sensex tumbles drastically. It goes below 2000 recording the sharpest decline in the history of Indian stock market. After few months, the government of India records a negative GDP growth. Indian economy is spiraling into abyss and there is no stopping now.

Meanwhile, Raj has left Bangalore with his family and took up a job as teacher in Kerala. He comes across a book one day. It is by a guy named Agatsya Sen who has won a Nobel Prize in Economics. It is written on the topic of economics of cities and regions. The gist of that book is simple:

The cities are crown jewels of a region. The region sacrifices a lot to make their cities worthy of a cosmopolitan life, welcoming the immigrants. They give more resources, more power, more water to their cities so that they make it attractive for immigrants to come in, invest and live in their cities so that the immigrants, investors and the locals benefit from the prosperity the city brings. No matter how much the investors and immigrants contribute to the cities those cities are always part of the regions. The immigrants, no matter how large their population is, should not wean away the cities from regions by force. Cities do not live in isolation. They are attached to the region integrally.

A city can be made separate unit, like union territory, only when people of the region/s around it voluntarily agree to such creation. Throughout the world, the cities continue to be the prized possession of their regions. Barcelona is pride of Catalonia, San Francisco is pride of California, and Kolkata is pride of West Bengal.

Raj realizes how foolish he was to believe that Bangalore could be forcibly taken away from the region without the support of people of that region. He realizes his fallacy of forcibly weaning out cities from the regions based on ridiculous assumptions that only immigrants develop the cities and that the locals have no part or role in the building of the city. Elitism is not a good enough reason to separate cities from their regions, he concludes. Cities are integral part of the regions and the city dwellers should not believe they live in isolation from regional politics that surround it.

He reads the book that night and goes to sleep knowing how myopia and elitist greed can sometimes bring about such dismal changes in the history of mankind.

Nice one Sujai, even it is fiction. That is so true, you cannot cut all veins from body to make heart separate. Claming Hyderabad is UT as foolish as Claming Seattle as UT.. doesn't make any sense right? I born and brought up in Hyderabad, my forefathers came from Guntur. I am against bifurcation, we were so involved/part of both cultures. If it is genuine people demand then I will go for it. After seeing all these suicides I realized there is a genuine reason. I raised in cosmopolitan environment and never bothered about politics. If referendum happens I will vote for Hyd to be part of Telangana, I cannot cut relations with my neighbors, friends and all whom I am attached in Hyderabad.

Nice creative way of threatening Hyderabadis. You have described what telangana fanatics will do to destroy Hyderabad city if it becomes a UT. But you know you represent a minority who are filled with hatred and obsessed with revenge. Majority of Telangana people are normal.

He watches TV news and finds out that local Kannadigas who were upset that immigrant Bangaloreans have weaned away their city from their region have cut the water supplies. The next day, he wakes up to find there is no power. The power grid was sabotaged outside Bangalore and there is no electricity in the entire city.

So you and other fanatics will become terrorists /naxals and blast water supplies and powergrids.Or will you outsource that job to SC/ST/OBC students whom you will brainwash into becoming naxals.

"ONE LAKH JOBS WILL BE CREATED IF TELANGANA IS SEPERATED FROM ANDHRA" -- KCR

Want one blog on this statement. An innocent believes this and raises hopes and in a spur of moment he commits suicide.

You are spending lot of your time in writing these blogs. Please write one blog to message students and unemployees to stop suicides. Even if Telangana is formed, this idiot politicians will not keep their promises, they will sweep the left over property.

The region sacrifices a lot to make their cities worthy of a cosmopolitan life, welcoming the immigrants.

First of all ,Andhras are not immigrants in Hyderabad which is the capital of AP. They have as much right on the capital city as Telangana region.

Secondly Andhra region also sacrificed a lot to develop Hyd. All villages in andhra were facing power cuts of 6 hours everyday for the past 15 years so that govt could supply uninterrupted power to Hyd. The money that could have been used to set up schools and hospitals in Andhra went to build new flyovers in Hyd so that elite people in Hyd can reduce their commute time.Infrastructure in Hyd was set up using the tax money from Andhra region.

Fanatics like you cannot see the sacrifices made by andhra region but rest of the country and SKC will definitely see the sacrifices made by Andhra region.

THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF TELANAGANA AGITATION BY POLITICAL LEADERS AND EDUCATED IN & OUT TELANAGA. PITY THAT COMMON PEOPLE AND STUDENTS ARE COMMITING SUICIDES BELIEVING THIS. HISTORY WILL NEVER EXECUSE THIS IDIOTS.

Beacuse of these people, the innocents are struggling. If the city belongs to a region, the people in Ranga Reddy district wants a seperate state. They doesn't want to join in Telangana.

People can write many stories as they like. In another angle why can't we think if Telangana is seperated, there will be agitations for south karanataka (for Bangalore), north Tamilnadu (for Chennai), western Maharastra (for Mumbai)...

Because of these people, our country is still a backward. They will never change.I don't know how much they are interested in poor and commons in Telangana. After all they want Hyderabad. They want to pull out all jobs in Hyderabad, already they have done much damage to the city. Every AP student after completing graduation looks for Hyderbad, because there is a hope that he will get a job in Hyderabad. These agitators wants to kickoff all such kind of people and sweep all the property.

ONE THING TO REMEMBER.. HYDERABAD IS NOT ONLY BUILT BY THE TELANGANA. IT IS THE PROPERTY OF ALL. UNION TERRITORY MEANS THAT IT BELONGS TO ALL. RULED BY THE GOVT OF INDIA. IF AT ALL HYDERABAD IS DECLARED AS UT, FIRST AND FOREMOST HAPPIEST PERSONS ARE PEOPLE WHO STAY AND AROUND HYDERABAD, BECAUSE THEY ARE AWAY FROM IDIOTS LIKE KCR AND CAN LEAD A HAPPY LIFE.

HYDERABADIs PLEASE DON'T GET SCARED BY SEEING THESE BLOGS. TELANGANA DISTRICTS WILL BE UNDER LOSS IF THEY SUPPLY WATER AND POWER TO HYDERABAD. EVERYBODY WANTS MONEY SO DON'T WORRY. THESE ARE ALL TRICKS PLAYED BY THESE PEOPLE TO SCARE THE COMMON MAN AND GET THEIR JOB DONE

//He got to know that something was happening with alteration of state boundaries. Two districts in the North Karnataka are going to join Maharashtra. He had absolutely no idea why something like that was happening. He never bothered to understand the history of the region either. Over the next few days, bandhs and agitations intensified. //

Oh, how I wish the sane people of Telangana pickup courage and protest against the senseless separatists when we have 13 districts being forced out!I know its not easy when any anyone with an alternative opinion (Eg. Ilaiah) is gheraoed and forced to toe their narrow minded, puritan whims.

1) Bengalis are not North Indians - though typically south indians think that anyone outside KA, KL, TN and AP are north indians.

2) India, now that you have divided is actually 6 parts now as per wiki-

West, East, North, South, North-East and Central.

Sometime later it will be north-west Indians, South-East Indians and others.

To many though it only of states, especially from south...

3) UT is a good concept and in India it should work. And it is the only way to make it work. We need cities and they should be governed independently.

Delhi is a good example of it and Mumbai, Bangalore should follow the same route.

Problem is with ministers. They do not want to divide Chennai, but when comes to Mumbai our Home Minister is the most "patriotic". These creatures will divide India from their regional chauvinistic point of view.

And of course, people like you...whom I see everyday in my daily interaction ...north, south, east, west, north east, north west Indians ...

But then, your kind is in majority now ...that is the burden of India....

Its all over.. the matter is with Prime Minister in the name of SKC. They understood the situation and know how to treat this problem. Till then its merely waste of discussing on this. As a first step they sent Governor Narasimhan to analyze the situation.

A news update "NOW HYDERABAD IS A FREE ZONE" Supreme court has rejected the review petition.

After all I want to tell one thing. SHARING IS HUMANITY, ENJOYING SELF IS CRUELITY.

Haha , SC once again declares that Hyd is a free zone in matter of police recruitment. Government should understand the spirit of judgement and work to repeal 610 GO and article 371-d. They are against spirit of constitution. T people are on par with andhras now , they dont need special protections.

Hi Satish Reddy,What the heck do you mean by "Telangana doesn't have a leader who can rule Hyderabad"? Do you know what kind of racist you are? So, you think Andhra leaders are superior to Telangana leaders by birth? We want to get away from racists and supremacists like you for this reason alone.Coming to the facts, Andhra leaders and people have proved to be the biggest of hypocrites, including your great C.B.Naidu. They agreed unconditionally for Telangana state on December 7th and went back and started an artificial agitation on December 9th.To answer your question, any leader in Telangana is better than any Andhra leader.Period.

inspired by mr.sujai, i too wanna write a storyin the year 2024, same raj is invited by the same govt of kerala to set up an industry in xyz district which is NOT where he was born and brought up. he sets it up and he is happy leading a comfortable life for few yrs.then all of a sudden a minister from that district was denied a cabinet post in the newly formed govt. he keeps a public meeting and says "200 yrs ago our district was ruled by another king. our accent of malayalam is different.our dishes have bananas in them while other district dishes have coconuts in them.so we need to seperate from kerala." suddenly raj is attacked by people who stay near his house. those who did not even utter a word when his firm was growing leaps and bounds, suddenly ask him to pack up his luggage and leave the town and hand over to them his house, land and all the properties.his wife is abused in the filthiest of language.now raj begins to wonder, where were these people all these years??? when i was busy working day and night on my laptop, these guys were studying ma political science that too for the third time, they never set up any industry and were all the time singing and dancing to the traditional kerala folk songs.and now they want to grab my property.is it fair, raj asks God

Yes there is one. His name is Chamchamchoogachooga. It is a code name. It’s a secret project that people of Telangana have started after 1969 debacle. A kid of pure breed was selected and he has gone to the top schools, got into IIT, AIIMS, NDA all at the same time, then got through IIM, IAS, IFS, IPS, all at the same time. He has 10 PhD degrees from world’s top 10 universities. He has been ambassador to many countries, headed many top Fortune 50 companies. He has been nominated for Nobel Prize in Economic times 7 times. Won Oscars 3 times.

He can teach IAS and medicine to your JP anytime. He can teach IT to your IT Chandrababu. He can teach acting to your Chiranjeevi.

We are not disclosing his name now. We will let the world know who it is only after Telangana is formed. Since some of us know about this secret project we are very confident that Telangana will under an able administrator and a great ruler once Telangana is formed.

Can you name a politician who is fit to be a CM for Telangana.

Many Andhras have asked this questions showing utmost concern for their Telangana brothers. We regret to inform you that we are not supposed to reveal the real identity of Chamchamchoogachooga. No matter how many times you ask this question we are not in a position to tell you. Sorry. So next time around, please don’t ask us this question. Once our leader comes out in the open all of your leaders will look tiny in front of his accomplishments. So please wait till Telangana is formed.

How will you explain Singapore separating from Malaysia and developing faster..

Singapore gets it water from Malaysia.

Look at the history of Singapore. It was separate from Malaysia for a long time. It had a history of its own existence. How many countries or states are surrounded by other region completely (on all sides)? Also, can a city in the middle of a region surrounded on all sides by that region survive without the support of the people of that region? Take a look at Berlin during Cold war.

Hyderabad can be UT. It can be UT only when people of Telangana willingly accept it.

The so-called "hard-working metropolitan Andhras of Hyderabad" are mere selfish Narcissists who believe that the world revolves around them, that MicroSoft depends on them and that they are the future head-quarters to world's intelligence. The newspapers do a sorry job and fail at informing them that they are just "cheap labor" for the back-offices of the world... and the day some other developing country offers "cheaper" labor, they are doomed.

I would include another future-nugget:

In 2024, Raj finds himself jobless as all jobs are moving to the south-American countries and South African countries. The largest multi-National companies that lured Raj with competing offers not so long ago now tell him to his face that he is too "expensive" or "over-qualified" for their job.

His house in Bangalore has crashed in value along with the rest of Real-Estate. Health-care and otehr expenses are becoming un-bearable for a middle-aged Raj who has no dough to send his kids to best of colleges like his parents could afford for him.

Raj now has no option but to move out of the expensive apartment and buy a house far from the city... where he comes in contact for the first-time with real kannadigas and their culture. He feels like he is in a Strange land... in his own country.

The notion that Andhras are intelligent and hardworking is a misconception.If they are really, they could have proved it in their erstwhile Madhras state.But instead they felt inferior under Tamils and opted out.

>Raj realizes how foolish he was to believe that Bangalore could be forcibly taken away from the region without the support of people of that region. He realizes his fallacy of forcibly weaning out cities from the regions based on ridiculous assumptions that only immigrants develop the cities and that the locals have no part or role in the building of the city.

So will T-separatists realize that they cannot take away a region from a state forcibly without the full state supporting it ?

I think this will be a major problem India faces in the immediate future. How It addresses the urbanization of the truly cosmopolitan metros .

Coming from Hyd and having studied in Bangalore , I totally understand and get the feel of the story.

Looking at the comments of the usual suspects, it’s the same theme . Every truth has two sides. People from Telangana clearly identify the person who is fighting for his land and people from Andhra trying to protect their properties.

You can also say the same story in terms of the tribal’s who are resisting the change in their hinterlands. In that story everyone of us ,Indians living in cities, are against the tribal’s who are the real inhabitants of this country.

I think the major point in the story was EMPHATHY.

Why doest RAJ empathies with the person who is a local and is not in the same position as him . Why doest he at least understand the local /regional culture and have some respect towards it ?

A common comment is “ our taxes from Andhra are spent in Hyderabad and we have all the right “ . we all know that water for irrigation from Manjeera are supplied to Hyd city. This at the cost of thousands of acres of telangana irrigation.

Now I am not saying because we provide water we own Hyderabad. what I am saying is as part of the Telangana region , we are inherently sharing these natural resources and you cant put a rupee amount on it.

very good analysis...I agree with the logic but even after such a great effort I don't think these Andhra "Scholars" will ever understand it. Also, please don't mind at these "folks" barking around you..they are scared, they are scared they cannot survive if Telangana is made a state, they are scared they will not have opprtunities to loot, they are scared Telangana might develop, they ae scared they might just get their "right" share of water, they are scared that Telangana people will get their share of Jobs...damn these guys..enough with the loot...

for my fellow Telanganites...its now or never..there is no way this agitation will stop...and for those who don't care...please continue doing that as I care a damn about your feelings...you would realize once it is too late....

@arunnon t people are afraid not that they would have to loot, but that maniacs who are instigated by unemployed politicians would barghe into their houses(i mean COMMON PEOPLE ONLY), burn them, misbehave with their ladies and physically abuse them.yes, we are really concerned about the our safety. we r worried that we would become like Indians in australia or like kashmiri pandits-living in fear throughout.once again let me tell you, we here refers to the common working class. i care a damn about lagadapati& batch

Nice story: what happened to the two districts in North Karnataka? I think thats more important than Bangalore. Also, Raj does not have a choice in the story u have mentioned. According to his origins, he does not have a choice, being an immigrant.

If you have Chamchamchoogachooga you'd not need a Telangana as simple as that.Just to see him I wish you have Telangana tomorrow morning.He should have been given a wide publicity that might scare the might seemandhra lobby and the minority community. In your story you've exactly portended the events that would happen if Telangana forms.Exactly same events would happen except there would be widespread attacks on minorities and 'settlers',of course the bleary-eyed Telangana govt tired from sleep deprivation ,from the 'movement' ,and excitement from a vicarious pleasure that formed the state with,without or inspite of opposition therefore nobody cares.Of the IT companies already on the way out are joined by Film industry and drug/pharma industry.When the people find out that provision of 1 lakh jobs is a myth people organize 'Dhoom dhams' to forget what's going around them.

Seriously you don't call the people who settled in other places in your country immigrants or settlers.That is grossly wrong.Your contention though euphemistically is that the Muslims are coming in the way of Telangana.Hey think beyond your region,caste,sub caste,district,village,block and street.That is too parochial.Think of India as one unit.

If your intention is to draw a parallel with Hyderabad and the demand for the UT or Autonomous state you are forgetting the fact that Hyderabad belongs to Muslims as much as it does to Telanganites.The Muslim rulers built everything in Hyderabad you are boasting and bragging about what you need to prove the legitimacy of ownership? They would pass the son-of-the-soil and state formation test with best possible score,I'll show how. As per your contention in earlier posts states can be formed out of the regions when the majority of the 'sons of the soil' in the region want it.Very true it also applies to sub-regions too,Hyderabad is a sub-region having its own identity. Nowhere in Telangana you find an assimilation of 'North Indian settlers-Rajputs and Kayasthas','Anglo-indians','Tamil settlers','Andhra settlers','N.Indian muslim settlers' and our course our friends 'Telangana settlers' .Hyderabad has a culture of its own.Now the state formation test comes into the picture the first test is whether the culture is disparaged by 'outsiders,again Hyderabadi urdu and telugu is distinct from the rest,Deccani urdu is disparaged in Hindi movies and by Telanganites and Telugu too,they pass that test.Third test is whether the jobs and the educational facilities of the locals snatched by 'outsiders'.Was there a looting of resources from the Hyderabad .Yes they have passed the straw test and ready to be an entity..Bingo Hyderabad passes the test along with Telangana.If the local population of Hyderabad feel insecure in Telangana set-up they have every right to form an arrangement that suits them.No doubt about it.Other than the BJP at center every party would support it.Hey who knew the BJP too might be a party if they feel they can further suppress the minorities.

You need to respect the opinion of the dissenters too and find out why they are differing with you and still buy peace with them.Nobody can cut off power or essential supplies bim bam boom there are somethings called law and order and constitutional rights and of course the judiciary.Not a single arm is raised without money just as it it happening in else where.The protagonist of your story was engrossed in intellectual outpourings of a famous economist Agastya Sen who wrote that piece prophetically.

Wish your Chamchamchoogachooga is much more accomplished than Agastya Sen and wrote something more entertaining...

In your story you've exactly portended the events that would happen if Telangana forms.Exactly same events would happen except there would be widespread attacks on minorities and 'settlers',of course the bleary-eyed Telangana govt is helpless it is tired from sleep deprivation due to the 'movement' and excited with a vicarious pleasure of forming the state with,without or inspite of opposition .The IT companies already on the way out are joined by Film industry and drug/pharma industry.

Krishna pipeline passes through 3 Telengana districts if these idiots dare to declare a referandum then think what people will do to the 400km pipeline.Not even Indian Army can stop the Siege of Hyderabad.We built Hyderabad it doesnt take much for us to strangle it for a while.

non t people are afraid not that they would have to loot, but that maniacs who are instigated by unemployed politicians would barghe into their houses(i mean COMMON PEOPLE ONLY), burn them, misbehave with their ladies and physically abuse them.yes, we are really concerned about the our safety. we r worried that we would become like Indians in australia or like kashmiri pandits-living in fear throughout.once again let me tell you, we here refers to the common working class. i care a damn about lagadapati& batch

Result of the "Brain-washing" done by andhra politicians like YSR.And result of the decades long stereotyping of telangana people as goons and rowdies. I know they care a damn about the polticians but andhra unknowingly took the bite.

Nayeem,If you have Chamchamchoogachooga you'd not need a Telangana as simple as that.Even if have one in a United AP, then he cannot do any thing.It is as simple as that which you failed to understand.

Nayeem,In your story you've exactly portended the events that would happen if Telangana forms.No he portended the events if the the telangana does not form after telangana people's democratic struggle.You have a gross misunderstanding of Analogies.I think you did already acknowledge that.

As per presidential order of 1975 , Telangana people from ADILABAD, KARIMNAGAR, WARANGAL & KHAMMAM Districts are not eligible to work in Hyderabad . Telangana people from RANGAREDDY, NIZAMABAD, MAHABUBNAGAR, MEDAK & NALGONDA districts are occupying the jobs meant for all telanganites. People from adilabad,Karimnagar,warangal,khammam wake up .For the last 35 years rest of telangana is giving a raw deal to you guys. This wont change in Telangana state also. Start a movement for repeal of zonal system .

//People from adilabad,Karimnagar,warangal,khammam wake up .For the last 35 years rest of telangana is giving a raw deal to you guys. This wont change in Telangana state also. Start a movement for repeal of zonal system . //

As per the Mulki rules, 1956 non of the Andhraites should work in Telangana area (unless they stay in Telanganan for 14 years).

People from Telangana wake up .For the last 65 years Andhraites are occupying our jobs. This wont change in Andhra Pradesh state. Start a movement for separate Telangana state. :)

I got an idea for more extreme form of protest than SUICIDE watching Thailand protests.Why not throw our human blood on the leaders faces who didnt resign it would certainly be non-voilent and have a greater shock value.

U prooved what u are, U always try to misguide ur followers, just like Prof.Jayashankar. but u need not do that, because they are u r blind followers, (may be 30 people), but individuals with free thought won't follow u because of ability to think individually

There are different things, i would like to differentiate

Before going to my assessment i want to clarify few things to u

1. Iam not againest to bifurcation fo any state on the lines of admin convenience2. Iam dead againest to any campaign based on hatred - Eg: NAZI, Facist, Present T movement (i got this opinion only after reading to your posts)3. I always believe, people make difference for any state interms of development, transperency, development etc

Your Assumption 1

"Hyderabad won't survive alone without Telangana"

I can go in detail

Financial : Telangana won't survive longer without hyderabad, statistics show Hyderabad has income of 15000 crores per yera, where as Telangana has 5000 crores

Natural resources

Water ; There is a allocation to a city while bifurcation, so, there is no need to worry that telangana will stop the justified water to hyderabad as it is UT.

pOWER

U may no know the present situation, that the people, who has the money, they can get power fro anywhere in india, Ex: Lanco is selling power to tamilnadu insted of AP, because they entered agreement with LANCO, where AP govt rejected theit offer, So you r minimum intelligent to know Hyd alone has lot of money

DAILY REQUIREMENTS LIKE vEGETABLES etc :

I think u may aware that Hyd nerves not just stopped with T region, It extended to entire india. Just check the Kothapet market: Onions from R seema, nasik, general veg fro Andhra, seema, T region fruits fro diiferent parts of India. Don't think hyderabad lies on AP, its life lies on Indian network.

Last but not least:

U prooved ur self as fanatic as NEO NAZI,

Iam reminding u, iam not supporting to make Hyd as UT, but the truth is different than ur lies, the truth is it is integral part of T region, but don't claim it won't survive without T, hard fact is T won't survive without hydI know u & UR socalled follower tag me as SA wadi, but I am a maoist supporter, u have to understand in the world no movement succeded with hatred, movements succeded with justification, Iam sorry to say i won't agree with u, as u already thretening SA people, Hyderabad people, Old city muslims, People like M Madiga, K ilaiah, Than whom u r supporting, KCR, Jayashankar etc

The fiction u had taken is not supporting one, A malayali in Kannada state is always different from Telugu people at telugu state capital. may be u r staying at B,Lor, so u thought it is like that, U have to understand why hyderabad has more income, the factory or business lies somewhere in AP but the corporate office lies at Hyd and paytaxes at hyd. Ex: All sugar factories, cement factories has corporate offices at hyd

I also find one thing with u statements, U r more fond of Hyd like Andhra people than the love towards T area other than hyd. I found it with lot of your postings, U always tries to concentrate on hyd and its resources than the living conditions of utnoor or chintoor (may be u know where it is)

You mean, only you? We are the people from Telangana but we dont know who you are.

//There are different things, i would like to differentiate//

So you want to compare a fiction post with your reality. :)

//Iam dead againest to any campaign based on hatred//

We too, we express this same thing many many many many many....times in this blog. But you choose to ignore that.

//statistics show Hyderabad has income of 15000 crores per yera, where as Telangana has 5000 crores//

Doest your statistics talk about Greater HYD or just old HYD? Telangana did sacrificed so much land for Greater HYD, if you divide just HYD from Telangana, that wont hurt any one financially. We claim Hyderabad emotionally but not financially. Even though HYD generates a rupee per year, we still claim it because it is in our region.

//there is no need to worry that Telangana will stop the justified water to Hyderabad as it is UT.//

The major share of water currently HYD is receiving is meant for irrigation of Telangana lands. We have every right to stop water if thats the real case.

//Lanco is selling power to tamilnadu insted of AP, because they entered agreement with LANCO, where AP govt rejected theit offer, So you r minimum intelligent to know Hyd alone has lot of money//

The story moral is , you can not survive easily if you have enemies all around your surroundings.

The trucks going thru telanganan to HYD can be very highly taxed by Telangana :)

//Iam reminding u, iam not supporting to make Hyd as UT, but the truth is different than ur lies, the truth is it is integral part of T region, but don't claim it won't survive without T, hard fact is T won't survive without hyd//

Why cant? States much smaller than Telangana are surviving on there own. If Andhra can survive without HYD why cant Telangan? May be you are forgetting that Telangana (minus HYD) income is more than Andhra (minus HYD).

//u have to understand in the world no movement succeded with hatred//

Yup, you too proved that in 1972 movement, and we still remember that but you forgot this truth :)

//I also find one thing with u statements, U r more fond of Hyd like Andhra people than the love towards T area other than hyd. I found it with lot of your postings, U always tries to concentrate on hyd and its resources than the living conditions of utnoor or chintoor (may be u know where it is) //

I think it is other way around. Are you confused?

Thank you Mao for visiting our blog. Your valuable comments will be trashed. Thank you again.

U prooved what u are, U always try to misguide ur followers, just like Prof.Jayashankar. but u need not do that, because they are u r blind followers, (may be 30 people), but individuals with free thought won't follow u because of ability to think individually

Now who needs to know what he is??Just with a pseudonym, no body is identified as a Maoist.Can you explain with your Maoist ideology why telangana separation is not viable???And a particular group of people sharing same idea does not mean that they are all blind followers of some one.Since you proclaim yourself to be a Maoist supporter, shall I think you are a blind follower of a rotten egg personality who is despised even in China???

There are different things, i would like to differentiate

?!???, when different, why differentialte again???

Before going to my assessment i want to clarify few things to u

1. Iam not againest to bifurcation fo any state on the lines of admin convenience

Good, so you are not against separate state.And is this all about to proove that you have this opinion independent of studying Sujai's articles?Is that you wanted to prove after all??? Fine, I hope you first come out of your egoistic belief that, except you and few others everyone else has any the ability to think for themselves.

This is not about hatred. Hatred does not come from with in. It is dependednt on the behaviour of other person.Just like when you tried to degrade Green Star, he is prone to develop hatred against you (and you against me probably).Telangana people did not begin with hatred towards Andhra. We just were agitating to get a separate state. We were requesting the Union Gov. to pass a parliament bill. And this was based on injustice done as part of AP(that includes all three regions).Atleast there is a strong proof that Andhra regions separated from Madras on the grounds of hatred.We are asking separate state on the basis of injustice done to the people of region.

3. I always believe, people make difference for any state interms of development, transperency, development etc

Yes that is what telangana people are doing today. To make a difference to the existing system where their interests are grossly marginalized. Tehy are fighting for themselves not against anybody. Got that??

Wrong, We say Hyderabad will survive in Telangana better. And it is better for telangana and Andhra. UT does not help anybody. Hyderabad city, Telangana w/o Hyd or Andhra.Learn to read things in context. Not with your emotions and preformed opinions interspersing in between.I can go in detail

You came here late. We have 52 odd posts here on the topic discussed in detail. Go back and read all of them first if have the nerves to go in detail.

Financial : Telangana won't survive longer without hyderabad, statistics show Hyderabad has income of 15000 crores per yera, where as Telangana has 5000 crores

All the land that was sold to finance the infrastructure in Hyderabad and also that helped andhra to develop businesses based on land value appreciation belongs belonged to telangana.

Natural resources

Water ; There is a allocation to a city while bifurcation, so, there is no need to worry that telangana will stop the justified water to hyderabad as it is UT.

There isn't any bifurcation yet. May be you are speaking about Madras.Ans the water that supplies Chennai is actually share of telangana. Telangana is filling up the promises made by Andhra. Absurd.

pOWER

U may no know the present situation, that the people, who has the money, they can get power fro anywhere in india, Ex: Lanco is selling power to tamilnadu insted of AP, because they entered agreement with LANCO, where AP govt rejected theit offer, So you r minimum intelligent to know Hyd alone has lot of money

Doesn't matter. For production of power you don't need to have money to begin with. Foremost you need resources like coal and water.Who care if AP govt. did not agree to buy from Lanco.May be Lanco was not interested and anyways the govt. is being steered by people in Andhra anyways like Lanco RajGopal. Probably Lanco fears that it would be compelled to subsidize electricity as most of its properties in Hyderabad were provided by the govt. for cheap.

Well, I think you said you are a Maoist supporter?? Why are you supporting a Bourgeois govt. then?

DAILY REQUIREMENTS LIKE vEGETABLES etc :I think u may aware that Hyd nerves not just stopped with T region, It extended to entire india. Just check the Kothapet market: Onions from R seema, nasik, general veg fro Andhra, seema, T region fruits fro diiferent parts of India. Don't think hyderabad lies on AP, its life lies on Indian network.

kothapet Market in in Telangana. Do not worry we can buy from there and we do have markets in every district and small town.Now who is out of logic???

Iam reminding u, iam not supporting to make Hyd as UT, but the truth is different than ur lies, the truth is it is integral part of T region, but don't claim it won't survive without T, hard fact is T won't survive without hyd

Well you think it is part of telangana.That settles all.Sujai was answering those who argue against that.Why do you take the bite of others when you have cake of yours??

I know u & UR socalled follower tag me as SA wadi, but I am a maoist supporter, u have to understand in the world no movement succeded with hatred, movements succeded with justification, Iam sorry to say i won't agree with u, as u already thretening SA people, Hyderabad people, Old city muslims, People like M Madiga, K ilaiah, Than whom u r supporting, KCR, Jayashankar etc

No body from telangana threatening people here. It was YSR who brainwashed andhra people to fear telangana.It was andhra made movies that brain washed andhra people to believe that telangana peolple are nothing but rowdies and goons.

The fiction u had taken is not supporting one, A malayali in Kannada state is always different from Telugu people at telugu state capital. may be u r staying at B,Lor, so u thought it is like that, U have to understand why hyderabad has more income, the factory or business lies somewhere in AP but the corporate office lies at Hyd and paytaxes at hyd. Ex: All sugar factories, cement factories has corporate offices at hyd

And actually B'lore has more income than Hyderabad. Hyderabad income growth in the last few years is from selling lands that belonged to telangana.Doesn't matter hyderabad has its own industries. And we can develop our own industries in telangana.Chill out.

And corporate offices are built where there is sustainable infrastructure to conduct commercial and business activities.They do not open in Hyderabad just because it is a capital.There are several reasons for that.If it is opened in Hyderabad only for sake of being a seat of govt. then we should definitely think foul play.Get over it. We don't need corrupt corporates. They are destined to doom.My question againAre you really Maoist supporter???

//I already stated that u have few followers, who doesn't think independently like green star//

Thank you once again, I thought you will never come back here after you realizing.... you can not think independently but greatly depend on JP, KA Paul, Lagadapati etc's logic less argument.

I too do not argue with who doesn't think independently. Why you are complaining on me to Sujai .... mama's boy?

First of all it is foolish to argue comparing a fiction with reality. Chiru may have changed the world in Tagore movie, but he sucks in real life. His ideas in movie doesnt work in real time.

Secondly, I did mentioned valuable questions to you, I asked you whether the revenues you are talking is about just HYD or greater HYD? Do you have any numbers to support your argument?

I too did mentioned that Telangana revenue is more than Andhra revenue. And you afraid to reply back. As per your argument, if HYD became UT, both Andhra and Telangana are doomed, and this also looks like a fiction to me.

In real world, Jarkhand, sikkim like states are surviving without HYD kind of cities, so why not Telangana?

It is the Andhra who always cries about HYD all the time, and we are just defending.

I also find one thing with u statements, U r more fond of Hyd like Andhra people than the love towards T area other than hyd. I found it with lot of your postings, U always tries to concentrate on hyd and its resources than the living conditions of utnoor or chintoor (may be u know where it is)

As you said Hyderabad belongs to telangana, every telangana love their city.And if we love the city of neighbouring state, states like AP form, which sometime or the other had to go back to square one.

Hyderabad can survive with out Andhra, but Hyderabad cannot survive even one week with out Telangana.Telangana can survive with out Hyderabad.We Telangana people never accept destroying Hyderabad by making it as UT. What if Telangana people dont give water to Hyderabad if it is made as UT. no one survive with out water. Any one can survive with out money.

//Hyderabad can survive with out Andhra, but Hyderabad cannot survive even one week with out Telangana.Telangana can survive with out Hyderabad.We Telangana people never accept destroying Hyderabad by making it as UT.What if Telangana people dont give water to Hyderabad if it is made as UT.no one survive with out water. Any one can survive with out money.//Nobody wants Hyderabad as UT unless it is warranted.You know when... No force on the earth can deny water to Hyderabad if it becomes an UT.It will be directly under the central govt.There are awards,Tribunals,Courts,Police,Media..Do you realize what it means? Hey nobody can cutoff water or essentials to any other region that's possible only in Sujai's fiction.Even if Hyderabad were an UT we'll still have friendship with Telangana since everybody in Telangana has somebody in Hyd.Or we might remain in Telangana autonomously like on a State within state basis who know the dynamics of the situation ?Nobody has that kind of strong hatred towards anybody especially towards minorities in Hyderabad..

@nayeem///No force on the earth can deny water to Hyderabad if it becomes an UT.It will be directly under the central govt.There are awards,Tribunals,Courts,Police,Media..Do you realize what it means? Hey nobody can cutoff water or essentials to any other region that's possible only in Sujai's fiction.Even if Hyderabad were an UT we'll still have friendship with Telangana since everybody in Telangana has somebody in Hyd.///

do u know history nayeem??? can u tell me which of the tribunal's recommendations were implemented??

even if the tribunal allocates the water to hyderabad, i should pass through the surrounding telangana districts right or are u guys planning to airlift the water from andhras region???

1. Is it the "Itraf-bald" District area?2. Or is it the colonising expansion phase 1 of 70's when some parts of city suburbs were occupied by andhras

3. Further down - is it the Hyderabad with RR districts formation in early 80's with inclusion of some parts of neighboring T sistricts

4. Or IS IT with addition of more land from NLG, MBNR, MDK & RR districts

5. But for telangana people's struggle (& sacrifice of more than 350 lives), soon YOU would have called , re-defined HYD with parts of Karimnagar, NZB, warnagal also...

In 1969, school children were killed and their bags, books were removed from the site immeditly (my mother is witness) and there was no media then to let the world know about it.THanks to media (& alternate media like Mobiles, blogs, e-mails and net), if one lady is hit with a laathi in MUDIGONDA entire world was able to see the clippings on "HOW SHE WAS KILLED"... Telangana people are willing to die (already 369 + 313 + 85) and it is NOT difficult for them to continue such protest and intensify it further. How many more lives should be lost???Further delay will certainly result in more looses of lives... Mark my words!!!

Sujai: Excellent post. This is what exactly Dr. BR Ambedkar wrote during Maharashtra formation & MUmbai issue... keep up good-work!!

As per mulki rules it takes 12 years of stay in Telangana to get domiciliary benefits , but when telangana people go to rest of India they need to stay only 4 years to get domiciliary benefits. Why this special treatment is needed for Telangana people. Why do they need appeasment ?

even if the tribunal allocates the water to hyderabad, i should pass through the surrounding telangana districts right or are u guys planning to airlift the water from andhras region???

Maharastra and Karnataka are not stopping water to AP ,even though they need more water for their state irrigation. Centre will step in if any state tries to act smart. Also Hyd needs only drinking water which is a very small quantity when compared to irrigation water required by T.

Of course naxals decide to violently attack our water supply ,we know how to deal with those naxals.

Mulki rules were meant to be for a limited period of time only. Gentlemens agreement was to be reviewed after 10 years. Mulki rules were never meant to be till perpetuity.

Also what about rest of India , may be andhras agreed for this appeasment ,why should they agree ? If mulki rules were still in place today , then by now other states would have made it mandatory for 12 years stay for telanganites to be domicile in the respective state. It is called the principle of reciprocity.

Sujai, this is one of your gems. I find the "encrcling the cities" (suttu muttu Suryapet, natta naduma Nallagonda) model very interesting.

As a person attached to Hyderabad & Bangalore as well as Hanamkonda, I appreciate the focus on the futility of elitism. Rural vs. urban areas is an extension of labor division. A city becomes unviable when it develops hostility to or goes out of sync with its hinterland.

The most significant aspect of the "story" was the reference to English/Hindi speaking Kannadigas. Alienation can be a heady drug indeed.

I don't think this will happen to Bangalore or even Delhi but "Hyderabadis" need to think hard. I can not resist saying "namma Benguluruge enu aagalla"

P Chidambaram would like to know. Center has been trying to find out how to deal with those naxals for quite some time now. You should send your notes to them.

He already knows how. He stated his views clearly in India today conclave. Only obstacle in his path are state govts which are encouraging or ignoring naxals. He has also realized that Telangana state will be very high on that list.

Ambedkar wanted Hyderabad to be the second capital of India and be made into a Chief Commissioner's Province,the modern day equivalent of an UT.http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/05E.%20Thoughts%20on%20Linguistic%20States%20PART%20V.htm

//If so, why did Supreme Court supported such rules? Why did you guys started 'Jai Andhra' movement? I am curious.//

Supreme court only supported them on the basis that preindependence laws should be respected. That is a very flimsy ground. Many such pre independence laws were removed after independence slowly , latest is the decriminalising homosexulality verdict.

Jai Andhra started because this judgement made Mulki laws permanent. Andhras didnt want to be second class citizens in their own state capital. Thats why 'Jai Andhra' started.

Also to add on Ambedkars views posted by Anonymous , see one more quote.

"Hyderabad, Secunderabad and Bolarum should be constituted into a second capital of India. Fortunately, it can be very easily done with satisfaction to the whole of South India, to Maharashtra and to the Andhras. "

This was written in 1955.Telangana people are not even listed as stake holders in this judgement. He refers to just Andhras. Wonder why !!!

//Mulki rules were meant to be for a limited period of time only. Gentlemens agreement was to be reviewed after 10 years. Mulki rules were never meant to be till perpetuity.//

But Supreme Court didn't agreed with you.

//Supreme court only supported them on the basis that preindependence laws should be respected. That is a very flimsy ground.//

You are ignorant when you stating 'Supreme Court decision was based on Pre-Independence laws'.

Suprem Court always takes decisions based on the Constitution which was in effect at that time. Whether you like it or not Mulki rules are constitutional at that time. Period.

Now supreme court says HYD is not free zone as per the constitution, but if central govt change the constitution tomorrow, then day after tomorrow supreme court says HYD is not a free zone. That is how Supreme Court works.

//Andhras didnt want to be second class citizens in their own state capital.//

Didn't Andhra realized this when merging? What a joke.

//If mulki rules were still in place today , then by now other states would have made it mandatory for 12 years stay for telanganites to be domicile in the respective state. //

So be it, we liked to live like that way.

By the way I guess Mumbai domicile eligibility needs 15years of stay in Mumbai? Am I correct?

//do u know history nayeem??? can u tell me which of the tribunal's recommendations were implemented??

even if the tribunal allocates the water to hyderabad, i should pass through the surrounding telangana districts right or are u guys planning to airlift the water from andhras region???//Don't worry my friend. Hyderabad will get water no matter what.Sujai is overreacting with his unwarranted exaggeration.I don't think it will happen in Bangalore or will happen in Hyd.Did it happen to Chandigarh?

Chandigarh was sought by Punjab and Haryana both.Punjab laid the claim to Chandigarh and was the reason behind the resentment of Sikhs.Rajiv-Longowala agreement specifically mentions Chandigarh transfer to Punjab but it didn't happen.Punjabis too said they would seige and cutoff Chandigarh and that there would be bloodshed if it was not transfered but nothing happened.

//Chandigarh was sought by Punjab and Haryana both.Punjab laid the claim to Chandigarh and was the reason behind the resentment of Sikhs.Rajiv-Longowala agreement specifically mentions Chandigarh transfer to Punjab but it didn't happen.Punjabis too said they would seige and cutoff Chandigarh and that there would be bloodshed if it was not transfered but nothing happened. //

Chandigarh was built by Punjab and Haryana from the scratch, so they both claim the city. This is not the case with HYD.

//Chandigarh was built by Punjab and Haryana from the scratch, so they both claim the city. This is not the case with HYD. //Yes, since Hyderabad built and redeveloped their city they can stake a claim to protect their interests.

//Chandigarh was built by Punjab and Haryana from the scratch, so they both claim the city. This is not the case with HYD. //My friend Chandigarh was not built byHaryana or Punjab,it was developed by GOI and people.Your argument is just like new city and environs of Hyderabad being developed by Telangana and Andhra.

This is a joke from Debonir.A man tells his collegue "Boss asked use tell right and wrong to the new steno. You teach her what is right"It was generally said "fear thrills".Likewise many people coming to this blog to learn the art of "misleading misinterpretations".Needless to say I too one of those curious cats.

//In order to do that, first they stop there United Andhra drama and start talking productively. Making HYD as UT doesn't help anyone.//Andhra and Telangana you have to sort out whatever disputes you've.that doesntt concern the Hyderabadis.But as residents of Hyderabad for ages we have as much claims as anybody to represent our best interest and to protect ourselvs...

Punjabis too said they would seige and cutoff Chandigarh and that there would be bloodshed if it was not transfered but nothing happened.

That could because of two reasons:1. Punjabis don't have a history of discrimination, marginalization and domination from Haryanis people. Therefore, they could afford to be nice.2. Chandigarh shares borders with both Punjab and Haryana, so the couldn't have actually cutoff Chandigarh.

//Punjabis don't have a history of discrimination, marginalization and domination from Haryanis people. Therefore, they could afford to be nice.//I seriously suggest you to read history before you make any assumptioms.Read the Anandapur Sahib Resolution."Chandigarh originally raised as a Capital for Punjab should be handed over to Punjab."The very basis of Punjab separating from Haryana is the fear of marginalization and discrimination of Punjabis and Sikhs by Braj speaking population and professing Hindus.Chandigarh was and is a bone of contention.Did u read the Time magazine article that was pasted in my posts?It doesn't matter whether Chandigarh surrounds Punjab and or Haryana.They could have easily done it.

Sujay is not one of the minority people in Telangana. You have to visit Telangana region and then you will realize whethere he is minority or majority. You andhra guys doesn't wan't to know the issues of Telangana region people. If you keep arguing like this, yes, we will kick you guys out.

Andhra and Telangana you have to sort out whatever disputes you've.that doesntt concern the Hyderabadis.But as residents of Hyderabad for ages we have as much claims as anybody to represent our best interest and to protect ourselvs...

Just remember this: Like it or not, Hyderabad is part of Telangana. It was built by Nizam with the sweat of Telangana people. MIM is positioning itself as an enemy of Telangana with this kind of attitude. It is not in their interest, once Telangana is formed.

//Just remember this: Like it or not, Hyderabad is part of Telangana. It was built by Nizam with the sweat of Telangana people. MIM is positioning itself as an enemy of Telangana with this kind of attitude. It is not in their interest, once Telangana is formed.// The Muslims have concerns and issues in the Telangana,the issues like Six point formula and GO 610 have more implications for them compared with rest of Telangana who are educationally and social not backward compared to them.But there are issues concerning consolidation of communal forces and security.Everything has to be looked holistically.All these issues have been pointed out in posts earlier.Nobody seems to be interested in addressing them and to conveniently ignore them till last minute.As residents of Telangana and Hyderabad they are the major stakeholdes,where were they earlier? Muslims in Old city have faith in the constitution of India and that it will do justice to them. As such nobody is interested in UT or City-state but it pushed to a corner who knows how things will show up....

Great creative work. I like the way you tried to make it unemotional so that others could look at it in third party way and try to get the reasoning in a non-emotional way. But seems from the comments it did not work at all!

Every passing day, the emotions are hardening at both sides. The outcome is clear. The two sides cannot live together.

Its a clash of civilizations - a unipolitan culture, proud of their telugu dialect, deeply set in medieval and feudalistic thinking, highly emotional and proud of their districts' culture. Used to eating cakes, pastries from rich delta areas. Because of feudalistic ways think some people are born to serve them as slaves. God created them that way is their strong belief - we are privileged, others are slaves.

It took one generation of white americans to leave this world before blacks racism ended in USA. This generation of Andhra feudalistically privileged classes will never understand the point. Cannot expect much from Feudalistic privileged castes from Godavari, Krishna and Nellore. They have been hard-wired in their unipolitan culture to think that way. Greeks called the Persians barbarians. So did the Romans call the Celtics. Makes Andhra people feel good about calling telangana people as lazy, not worthwhile, no leaders, inferior etc.

Your post proves once more, the issues cannot be resolved in the current state.

Another point slowly but surely old hyderabad areas are hardening their views in Hyderabad.

These are largely populated areas from Kukatpally(non KPHB), chintal, bowenpally, secunderabad, ramnagar, indira park, ashok nagar, chikaddpalli all the way before old city starts.

They are tired of being treated as slum dogs. Our friends from Seemandhra call them old city. They may not even know what was called old city earlier and what were good areas to live in.

Taxes are collected here, but they are spend in Banjara Hills, Jubilee hills etc. The people who live there are all agriculturists, mining, nursing home, and cinema people. Black money people. Needless to say, they pay very little tax. yes, they may support politicians during elections.

New escalators by GHMC. Not one in our area. Our people pay taxes. These buggars get the privileges. our blood is boiling. The next 'T' agitation will not come from Osmania University. It will come from these 20 lakh people in this area. No railway station or bus station can function. Everything is in this area...

MIM is not as strong as people think. That is why the brothers tread very carefully. They know their limits. Common muslims don't like MIM, but there is no alternative for the common muslims. They listen very resentfully to MIM. Each passing day the resentment is increasing. Siasat guys hate MIM. MBT hates MIM.

Get into a conversation, up and personal with them and they will tell their frustration with MIM. Income levels and property prices are taking a dip in old city. Brothers have kept an alternative(just in case), if the old city muslims go against them, they are planning to immigrate to turkey.

Ask some educated muslims, they will tell you more detailed stories. This semblance of strength is creaking. Only the front side is well painted so you don't see the cracks and structural issues.

Sujai,I thought this might interest you. greatandhra.com is a biased website that caters to NRIs in US. Please notice how they write and publish - http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews.php?id=19860&cat=10&scat=25memorandums being written to SK commission. Thought you might want to blog on the subject of memorandums that are being submitted with fake facts. Thanks!

good fiction. I see most of the immigrants who come to city after a few days act as if they own the city. Neither they try to understand the local dialect nor the history of the city/place or try to merge with the local population.

For the local fellows also feel that these immigrants are nuisance, coz the city was calm before the population of the city grew, basic essentials price grew.

# It needs to be divided when its population reaches unmanageable level# And when that need arises it has to be divided horizontally for equitable distribution of resources and overall growth

Are CHILDISH. Anybody who has a college degree will NOT take them seriously.//Your beloved leaders in 1950 wanted two states with first state comprising of Nizamabad,Hyderabad,Mahaboobnagar and Rayalaseema and second with Adilabad,Warangal,Karimnagar,Khamman and Circars.This idea is close to that.Please revisit the history.I suggest you to go to State Archives and read the materials..

@Anonymous:"so u think that NRIs who go at usa inluding t-region ppl shd adopt to the american culture which includes drugs, homosexualuity, pre and extra marital sex, etc???"

People who come to US are refered to as "Desi" and are trained by their relatives, seniors and companies to become more courteous, polite and considerate. Till then they will be bumbling in public and are a good amusement for settled NRI's. See here are some "desi's" coming along. Wish something was like that for new people to the city.

Have you been to the US. Have to you seen this. Paris Hilton went to Prison for a few weeks because she drove on a suspended license (yes Hilton Five Star Hotel Heiress). They removed kids from Britney Spears because she was a bad mother. Court gave kids to her ex-husband (backup dancer) who lives on her alimony payment because he is a better parent.

Give me some examples in India where a Tollywood hero went to Jail for a crime. Let me guess - Balakrishna!!!

As said earlier. Andhra people are the Greatest civilization in history of mankind EVER!! Even though there are still open drainage in Godavari, Krishna and Nellore.

I see that plp dont get to understand "When u r in rome be a roman". The plp should know the culture, language and other basic essentials of the place they stay. The immigrants should never try to change the face of city they live in. When U go to US, u dont get to do things that u guys do in this country. eg a immigrant from bihar in karnataka can tease local girls... and also do many more things...But u do the same in US, u will be trown in jail

@Anonymous,<>your assumption/statement about USA's prevailing culture OR lifestyle is a reiteration of the fictional character Raj believing all kannadigas are lazy lying cheaters. Can I say that the most prevailing culture in the US of A is charitable giving(the entire world is living off of that in some way or other)? and how many of the Indian immigrants do that in their own country?

@anonymous"i never talked about legal aspects.i asked wether Indians those who go to usa, should they also star practising things like drugs, sex affairs,etc"

It is not legal aspect - it is a culture of abiding by law and no one is above the law. Secondly, you seem to make impressions about USA based on what you heard or seen in some third grade movie. Learn to be more open to other cultures and find the goodness of other cultures. A sign of a cultured people is to take the best from every culture.

Instead of just focusing only on a few bad things about every other culture you see. It is called non-cosmpolitan and narrow minded outlook. It reflects the inner weakness of the person and inability to grow up.

Just because Chilkaluripeta and Peddapuram are in Krishna and Godavari. It does not make every woman from those districts "those type". You should learn to make the distinction. Not take a few isolated instances and make everyone and everything from that area, country represent that negative aspect.

I guess you want to remove the 4 new hubs for SPG commandoes from Mumbai, Hyderabad, Calcutta and increase the number of commandos in Delhi. That way we will be better equipped to handle terror issues.

Thousands of new colleges for engineering have opened. Maybe we should limit the number of engineering colleges to only those that existed 10 years back. And stop new admissions to all the new colleges in the last 10 years with immediate effect.

We will do all this in the name of patriotism and national unity!!

You know this is ridiculous and so is your idea of not creating new states when population has spiralled from 36 crores to 110 crores.

1. Land is not really owned by anyone; It's a property of mother earth. Patriotism and regionalism are forms of racial discrimination. 2. The primary purpose of language is communication.

I dream of thinking beyond India and seeing the world as a single country. How long will it be before I convince people to see my broader vision?

If Chamchamchoogachooga is really brilliant, I want to know what he thinks of this vision of the world as one single state. All divisions are for administrative purposes only.

Have you people ever wondered why some states in America have near rectangular boundaries? Or have you wondered how a black person can become a president of USA? Or have you ever wondered how Americans manage to attract all the brilliant people in the world?

Please.. I beg you sir.. Already the people are suffering a lot with religion, caste and region feelings. Don't pump those as a politician. A people don't want a seperate states, kilo rice for Rs.2, 9 hours power, big big projects and money transfer schemes. They just want that their money should be spent to them. Thats all they expect, nothing more than this.

Atleast the educated, please try to understand. These are all sensitive matters, the stupid politicians take complete advantage of this. On a rotation basis, they pump religion, caste and regional feelings amoung the people, such that these people will not question them.

GOD PLEASE HELP THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND..Thats all I can do for now......Hope you are all responsible citizens..

This is the real character of T-agitators. Who are you to kick Andhras outside Hyderabad? Speak out all these things in your place. Hyderabad belongs to all. It doesn't belong to Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema. Hyderabad is a city belongs to INDIA. Because of your foolishness you are creating a situation, such that all T-agitators will be kicked out of Hyderabad. Don't die with regionality feelings. Be as a Hero, fight against the corruption, give some hope to poor. If you can't do this, be silent. This applies to all extremists in Andhra Pradesh.

I hv been living in Hyd for the past four yrs as part of my job. I hv been hearing abt the T-agitation and the latest "United" movement. These Andhra settlers are very very cunning and real back stabbers. They first tried to dominate over Tamilians and demanded for Madras back in 50's but these Andhra dogs were literally kicked out by Rajagopala Chary. Now they are demanding for Hyderabad. Such is the nature of these Andhra Dogs. Most Thankless creatures on earth. If separate telangana state demand is anti-national, then wasn't separate Andhra state demand also Anti-national? How can they call Chidambaram a traitor? He did not take the telangana state decision all alone. It is a union government decision. Instead they blamed Chidambaram alone. These Andhra dogs deserves to be kicked out again from Hyderabad also. Whereever they go they do this. Hope they won't ask for a separate Silicon Valley.

MIND YOUR LANGUAGE. Don't interfere in our matter. ALL INDIANS KNOWS WHO ARE CUNNING. THE NAME TAMIL IS ENOUGH TO IDENTIFY YOUR CHARACTER. Because of your P Chidambaram we are suffering. First and foremost Tamilnadu and Bihar should be seperated from India. You are not eligible to stay with India.

His questions are relevant though but andhras will not answer. They try to trivialize issues by attacking individuals (whether KCR, PC, Moily or Pillai). You also see it in debates where every andhra guy attacks Maharashtra & Karnataka for "stealing our water"

Such contempt for fellow Indians will not fetch support for your "cause" of samakyandhra :)

Srujai..funny fiction.. Bangalore will be allowed to be made UT by Karnataka just like Bombay by Maharastra. Point is, the locals living in these cities be it bangalore or Bombay are themselves happy to be identified by their state.

So to tell you, in reality, the people of Hyd who wants a UT are not immigrants, they are local Hyderabadis standard telugu speaking people who lived there from generations. To say although Hyd looks like it falls into the region of Telangana, you don't have support from local Hyderabadi 'Telugu native' people. This is the irony of your situation. I am saying this cuz, I have lots of friends from Hyde, who keep saying.. we want UT. they feel un-dignified of identifying themselves with either telangana or Andhra. This the attitude.

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