So it is your contention that Joe Flacco is more valuable than Peyton Manning?

Oh nevermind. You're the guy that thinks Kobe at one point was better than 2011-2013 LeBron so your opinion carries no weight

I don't think anyone is saying that Peyton is better than Flacco. They're saying at this point in their careers they'd take Flacco, AND that Peyton is pretty overrated (especially in the playoffs). Meanwhile, you continue to fellate him, and that's totally fine. But you're ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence in this thread that says that Peyton isn't as good as you want him to be.

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I don't think anyone is saying that Peyton is better than Flacco. They're saying at this point in their careers they'd take Flacco, AND that Peyton is pretty overrated (especially in the playoffs). Meanwhile, you continue to fellate him, and that's totally fine. But you're ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence in this thread that says that Peyton isn't as good as you want him to be.

so a top 5 QB (and this is a conservative statement) in the HISTORY of the NFL is overrated?

Got it.

You guys are brilliant.

Just like Peyton Manning had NOTHING to do with his one Super Bowl win.

GENO SMITH>Peyton "choker" Manning!

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this isn't really even about Peyton Manning to me...I don't care about that. Fine, he sucks. He's a choker. He's terrible. He hasn't won a super Bowl in 6 years. Yada yada yada

No.

This is about the fact this board has suddenly elevated Joe ****ing Flacco to ELITE status because Rahim Moore made the worst play in the history of the NFL and then the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl and Flacco was MVP.

I get it. He played well for a 3 game stretch in a big moment. I get that. He deserved it.

HOWEVER, he isn't elite. He isn't any better than Jay Cutler. In fact, I'd take Jay Cutler over Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco needs to play a season where he doesn't have 6+ Mark Sanchez games. I want to see the Ravens be elite and be elite because of Joe Flacco.

That was not an elite team this year. It was a team that got hot at the right time and had the "us against the world" mentality and the Ray Lewis back story...oh and Rahim Moore.

The fact we have some on this board saying they'd trade our whole draft for Joe ****ing Flacco and his $120M OUTRAGEOUS contract is ridiculous.

The dude is an average NFL QB with superstar ability but reverts to Sanchez-esque QB'ing every other ****ing game (especially on the road).

I get that his postseason play in the last two seasons has been pretty much good overall. That's fine. I get it.

But every ****ing regular season game counts too...only 6 of 16 teams make the playoffs...seeding usually matters in the playoffs.

He just isn't consistent enough to be considered elite. He still has to make that jump. If he leads the Ravens to a 12-4 season and he plays EVEN ALEX SMITH WITH THE 49ERS LEVEL OF FOOTBALL, maybe I'll elevate him to elite if he has another elite postseason where he plays game changing football.

Until then...he's just a dime a dozen NFL QB with a big arm and a big contract. Whoowee.

if Joe Flacco played the way he did in the regular season for the Broncos this year the Broncos probably would have won 5 games.

So uh, yeah. I get the fact that once upon a time Mark Sanchez played a really good postseason game. I realize Joe Flacco had 2.5 really good postseason games this year. I realize that despite his 44 QBR against the Pats in 2011, he had one really good drive to end the game that ended up being a dropped Super Bowl berth.

I watch these games. I know.

I also realize that Joe Flacco simply doesn't pass the eye test, and that the Ravens were a 10 win team this year and if they had Tony Romo as their QB they probably would have won 13.

In conclusion, Joe Flacco isn't good. He still needs a season where he carries his team to a playoff berth. When that happens, maybe I'll change my mind.

Both have 1 ring, both lost in another SB. Both recently threw interceptions in their most recent playoff appearances that involved both QBs trying throw across their bodies and ultimately ended up costing their teams.

I think Tom Brady is the biggest choke artist in all honesty. He let Peyton Manning win his one and only Super Bowl by giving up a 21-3 lead and then ending the game with an INT when they were down by 4. That was irresponsible and terrible choking. Also, his team the year they were 18-0 was way, way, way too good to lose in the Super Bowl to a team they had already beat by 2 scores in the regular season. The fact he didn't show up in the biggest game of his life? Unacceptable.

Oh and...really this year? Getting crushed at home to a team that the inferior Peyton Manning had already beaten the game before if not for Rahim Moore? Not being able to convert on 3rd downs? Not being able to get the ball in the end zone. Again losing to a team (and by a wide margin) when he had a halftime lead? Disgusting.

Brady is just a huge choker who only won because of cheating and spygate. The fact Goodell had to destroy that damning evidence for the "good of the game" leads me to believe Brady simply can't win the big one.