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Looks like that's been our only working strategy for the past 2 seasons....whenever we try to run to set up the pass, neither work. We get stuffed on the first two runs, then are forced into a typical 3rd and 11 and get an incompletion.

I love when Eli starts the game with a deep play action pass and just keeps passing non stop for 3 more plays. That always opens up the run.

If you re-read the original post, the stat quoted is the 6th in the NFL in average gain per carry, not total yards gained.

See it here at NFL.com (Just choose complete list of team rushing leaders, then sort by average yards per carry).

To me, that is the significant rushing stat because it better measures the success of the running game--the thing that happens in between Eli's passes--and which sets up the passing game.

The Giants would be higher in rush offense if the passing game wasn't so successful, so that there would be more rushing attempts in the course of a game.

For those who say the stats are skewed, for example because of the long TD run by David Wilson, all teams have long runs that expand the stats. Some teams have weaker schedules than others that also skew the stats.

If you re-read the original post, the stat quoted is the 6th in the NFL in average gain per carry, not total yards gained.

See it here at NFL.com (Just choose complete list of team rushing leaders, then sort by average yards per carry).

To me, that is the significant rushing stat because it better measures the success of the running game--the thing that happens in between Eli's passes--and which sets up the passing game.

The Giants would be higher in rush offense if the passing game wasn't so successful, so that there would be more rushing attempts in the course of a game.

For those who say the stats are skewed, for example because of the long TD run by David Wilson, all teams have long runs that expand the stats. Some teams have weaker schedules than others that also skew the stats.

I didn't say anything was skewed. I just provided facts to add to the discussion.

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haha, I love early year rankings... so meaningless. We had one unreal strong game, 2 average games, and 2 bad games rushing the ball.

Also, Rushes per carry can be scued as well. For example, David Wilson hasnt had many touches and looked bad in all but one so far that he took 40 yards to the house. That exaggerates his YPC.

I love how people discredit statistics by citing one long run. If you exclude the Wilson 40 yard TD run, the Giants have a 4.48 yard per carry average, instead of 4.8 yards. Do you know where they would rank then? It would have put them in 7th place instead of 6th.

If you or anyone else don't think there's any meaning to being 6th this year right now vs. last place during last year's regular season, then you don't watch much football or have blinders on. It's obvious that holes are forming and even 3rd or 4th and short yardage plays are getting converted on the ground this year for the first time since before Brandon Jacobs was a Giant.

There's no question here the offensive line is creating holes which it hasn't done in a lot of previous years' regular season games.

I didn't say anything was skewed. I just provided facts to add to the discussion.

My point about your post is that it left the implication that the stat I had cited for this post was wrong, in your saying "Actually...the Giants are...12th in the NFL...", not that you were one of those implying the skewing of statistics. The word "actually" gives a clear indication of "mistaken."

My point about your post is that it left the implication that the stat I had cited for this post was wrong, in your saying "Actually...the Giants are...12th in the NFL...", not that you were one of those implying the skewing of statistics. The word "actually" gives a clear indication of "mistaken."

Not to me,. but OK. Deleted the stats

Last edited by RoanokeFan; 10-11-2012 at 12:29 PM.

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