Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar investing in… Brazil?

Speak Asia’s Indian CEO, Manoj Kumar was last seen in a video published to Youtube by an anonymous account on October 11th, 2011. In the video Kumar made a bunch of promises but to date none of them have been followed through.

Despite Speak Asia facing battles across multiple legal fronts to prove it isn’t a ponzi scheme and fighting for its very existence in India, Manoj Kumar (photo right)has remained in hiding overseas.

Having fled India shortly after the RBI announced they would be investigating the company, despite a re-assurance he would be back in India by the end of May, Kumar instead chose to hide.

A few days ago a BehindMLM reader contacted me asking me to review a company for them. The company in question was called ‘Mister Colibri’, which is Portuguese for ‘Mister Hummingbird’.

The reader was under the suspicion that Mister Colibri was being run by the same people who launched failed MLM scam ‘The AdMatrix‘ in India.

The AdMatrix launched in India in late 2010 and by early September 2011 had collapsed with the owners going into hiding. Commonly accepted as the owner of AdMatrix is a one Mr. Ram Sumiran Pal.

Upon the collapse of Speak Asia, last we heard Ram Sumiran Pal was hiding in a hotel in Mumbai India with his brother, Ram Niwas Pal. Since then it’s been mentioned that Ram (Ramnivas/Ram Niwas) Pal and Sumiran Pal are the actual brothers involved, and Satish Pal is their friend. Whatever the case, these three men appear in one way or another to be involved in the running of the AdMatrix.

Retracing their steps, back in June 2010 the above photo was uploaded by Ram Pal to a social network clearly showing him onstage at a Seven Rings International event.

Seven Rings International, remember that name as it’s the key to all of this.

So far we have the Ram brothers running The AdMatrix and the tracing of one of them back to Seven Rings International.

Getting back to ‘Mister Colibri’, a quick visit to the website reveals that indeed it’s merely a clone of the failed AdMatrix scam in India.

The idea behind Mister Colibri is the same as the AdMatrix. The company charges a membership fee and provides random Youtube videos for members to watch and pays them a weekly commission for watching the videos.

Oh, and also pays huge commissions for the recruitment of others via a binary which Mister Colibri pay you a commission for each member you have in your downline. Although only available in Portuguese, there do appear to be some other slight additions to the Mister Colibri compensation plan, but the main focus remains on the recruitment of others.

With no retail products, a membership fee and commissions paid out on the recruitment of others, like the AdMatrix, Mister Colibri is a simple pyramid scheme waiting to collapse.

The Mister Colibri website itself merely copies and pastes its explanations of ads from Wikipedia. You can see this when you compare the Mister Colibri ‘Industry Challenges Page’ below (click to enlarge),

Pay particular attention to the paragraph that mentions the ‘Wizard of Oz’ on the Mister Colibri page, it’s copied virtually verbatim from Wikipedia (no doubt the rest of the text is copied/spun from Wikipedia and other free article resources).

The navigation menus from both websites also share multiple similarities (click to enlarge):

The AdMatrix

Mister Colibri

And finally, just to cement the fact that the Mister Colibri is simply a clone of the AdMatrix site, a quick look at the source code for Mister Colibri reveals four instances of the word ‘admatrix’ (click to enlarge);

To create the Mister Colibri website, all they’ve done is copy and past the template, change the logo and replace ‘the AdMatrix’ text with ‘Mister Colibri’.

So what’s the business relationship between the AdMatrix and Mister Colibri? Did someone simply ripoff the Indian scam or is there more to it?

Remember I mentioned Seven Rings International, let’s get back to them. Ram Pal, who ran the AdMatrix scam is obviously involved in Seven Rings International. So there’s a clear relationship there.

The next part of this story involves the murky business relationship between Speak Asia and the AdMatrix.

In July the AdMatrix were linked to Speak Asia as part of the money laundering trail Speak Asia was using to funnel money through once it had left India for Singapore. Based in Holland, the AdMatrix’s bank account suspiciously popped up as the EOW traced Speak Asia’s money once it was laundered from Singapore after it arrived from India.

Then, in August less than a week later the CID announced it was investigating the AdMatrix scam, which they found had ‘an office in the same building as that of Speak Asia‘.

Clearly there was some sort of relationship between Speak Asia and the AdMatrix. That relationship?

Seven Rings International. This was further confirmed when in October 2011, Nayan Khandor, owner of Brand Saloon Inc., was arrested and confessed that Speak Asia paid him to make up non-commissioned surveys, who he then passed on to none other than… Seven Rings International.

Seven Rings International, through Ram Pal, obviously had a stake in the AdMatrix and again, as evidenced by the close proximity of the offices and financial routing between the two companies, in Speak Asia.

Then of course there’s the front company set up, Podium Ring International, who are listed as being registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands and having a 100% shareholder stake in Speak Asia in Singapore’s ACRA business registry documents.

The last piece of the AdMatrix –> Seven Rings International –> Speak Asia puzzle is of course Manoj Kumar. Kumar serves as the Indian CEO of Speak Asia, but is also on the management team of Seven Rings International.

Now that we’ve cemented the business relationships between these three companies, that brings us back to Mister Colibri and the unexplained mystery of why and how an AdMatrix clone has appeared in Brazil.

For the answer to that, we turn to the website ‘ColibriMakeMoney’. Run by Mister Colibri member Lilian Oliveira (alias ‘Lilian Matias’), there’s an interesting blog entry on the site which contains the names of ‘three men (who) envisioned the idea’ of Mister Colibri.

Update December 4th, 2011 – Oliveira, presumably at the direction of Seven Rings International, modified her site within 48 hours of the publication of this article. /end update

Update 26th December, 2011 – After the Mister Colibri and Speak Asia link was exposed in the Indian national Media (Mumbai Mirror), it seems Oliveira has now completely taken her website offline. It is no longer available. /end update

‘ColibriMakeMoney’ is reproduced below as it appeared on December 2nd, 2011 (click to enlarge).

Suprise, surprise – who pops up other than Speak Asia’s CEO Manoj Kumar. Kumar is credited as ‘an investor‘ who provided ‘the initial capital (millions of dollars invested in this project) for creating this platform and the marketing strategy‘ for Mister Colibri.

So where did these millions of dollars of Kumar’s come from? Why, the AdMatrix and Speak Asia of course. The same money Speak Asia’s panelists currently believe they have a hope in hell of retrieving, despite the obvious fact that Seven Rings International has laundered it through multiple countries and banking channels around the world.

Another one of Seven Rings International’s Management Team, Elia De Prisco (photo right), is also listed on the ColibriMakeMoney blog as being the creator of Mister Colibri.

Regardless, both men appear to be acting on Seven Rings International’s behalf.

On her blog Matias also mentions that

A technology company was contracted to develop the matrix of this platform.

Soon followed for the testing phase in Bangladesh with a membership of 24,000 (twenty-four thousand) people.

This implies that we are not guinea pigs this software because it is already more than tested.

Aside from getting the country wrong (AdMatrix was based in India, not Bangladesh), its interesting to note that Mister Colibri members have been told the company has already tested it’s model elsewhere. I wonder if they were told the company AdMatrix also collapsed less than a year later?

Finally the third man named, is some Brazilian partner listed as Gian Piero Di Cillo, a ‘personal friend‘ of Elia De Prisco.

This man appears to be the local frontman and his inclusion in the scam fits the modus operandi of installing a puppet that Seven Rings International used in its other two scams, Speak Asia (Harendar Kaur from Singapore) and the AdMatrix (Anne Wessel from Holland).

While the Speak Asia scam burns to the ground and 1.2 million Indians (and 20,000 more AdMatrix members) try to recover their money from Speak Asia, it appears CEO Manoj Kumar has been busy running scams in other parts of the world.

You want to know why Manoj Kumar refuses to set foot in India and stand by Speak Asia? His involvement in Seven Rings International’s worldwide scam projects, money laundering efforts and tax fraud through Podium Ring International is why.

From India to Holland, Singapore, Italy, Brazil, the British Virgin Islands, Dubai and god knows what other countries, I guess when the EOW stated that the Speak Asia scam ‘may have been on a global scale‘, they weren’t kidding.

It’s worth reading this Indian Express article again to help put the global scale of the Seven Rings International/Podium Ring International scam into perspective.

The investigations by the Mumbai and Andhra Police have so far found three firms operating out of Mumbai — Kritanz Management, Seamless Outsourcing and Tulsiyat Enterprises — from dubious office spaces.

They were allegedly acting as collecting agents for Speak Asia from all its 137 Indian franchisees.

The money collected from the “investors” through the franchisees would be wired to foreign accounts in banks like the Overseas Bank in Singapore.

The owner of one of the Mumbai-based collecting agent firms was shown to be the retired watchman of the building in which the firm was located.

Officials say the criminal conspiracy is obvious from the fact that none of the accounts is directly in the name of the company.

The money instead has been routed through bank accounts of failed enterprises of Speak Asia founder Harender Kaur, identified on the website as a chartered accountant of Indian origin and now a Singapore national.

The companies in whose names the Rs 600 crore have been received include Haren Ventures, Haren Technologies and Haren Auto Parts, apart from a Dutch company that too runs a multi-level marketing scheme, involving hiring people to watch paid advertisements.

Haren Ventures and Haren Auto Parts, Speak Asia’s parent companies, are shown to be registered with British Virgin Islands, like the Speak Asia holding firm.

There was not a single written contract with any of Speak Asia’s 137 franchisees. With the marketing scheme registered as a Singapore corporate, police believe the founders and management of Speak Asia could have made a quick disappearing act at the slightest sign of a red flag.

Kaur is now wanted along with CEO Manoj Kumar Sharma in the scam.

With Mister Colibri sucking in over 21,000 members in Brazil since their February launch, it appears Seven Rings International are all but done with India. Mark my words CEO Manoj Kumar will never set foot in the country again and Harendar Kaur will most likely never be heard from again (does anybody really believe she’s stamping those sporadically released ‘official’ statements Speak Asia put out?)

In light of the global scale of this scam, all of a sudden a committee meeting between five men seems rather insignificant.

Here’s hoping the Indian authorities haven’t been asleep at the wheel and fully understand that the scope of the criminal activity they are investigating goes far beyond Speak Asia and its panelists.

And that Brazil is prepared for the devastation of this global scam yet to come…

249 Comments on “Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar investing in… Brazil?”

Wow..guys..you finally did it..As I had said before..Lock,Stock and Bazookas..Q.E.D…I now find no need for the Anjus, Rajeevs etc.’s heedless and baseless arguments for the integrity of SAOL hold any value..if what you guys said above is true..(It sure seems like that..I checked all the links)..a copy of this report should definitely reach the right people..to guide them in the right direction..Good Work…keep it up

Mr.Kunal’s MARCOM who started all the miscommunications from Day 1. i.e from Goa fest. When SAOL found the reason behind the miscommunication was none other than MARCOM, as it should be done SAOL cancelled Kunal pathak’s Contract with our company.i.e. speak asia.

Also this indicates that Manoj is full time engaged in prompting other business and left the Panelists on their own fate… LOL.. this is the great management who said they’ll stand besides the panelist all time

what he and his team at seven rings international does in other countries is not our problem.

It should be, where do you think the capital they’re using to invest in these new scams has come from?

where has he ever claimed that he has no other business interests in the world besides saol?

Who said he had? I wrote this article to expose the Seven Rings International scam (which engulfs the Speak Asia scam) and show people why Kumar hasn’t been in India representing the company he is the CEO of.

He’s too busy using panelists money to fund new scams in other countries.

likewise haren kaur may also be a multiple business owner.

May?

The money instead has been routed through bank accounts of failed enterprises of Speak Asia founder Harender Kaur, identified on the website as a chartered accountant of Indian origin and now a Singapore national.

Then there was that report mentioning she had over 25 companies registered in her name. All exist for the sole purpose of laundering money out of India.

I am an investor panelist in Speak Asia survey scheme and based in Mumbai. I have lost lots of money in Speak Asia. I have visited this blog only recently. It is very interesting. I am not very good at computers and do not have a facebook account.

Speak Asia has a lot of full time supporters. The matter is that there are a lot of investor panelists who have lost money and do not know what to do. The upline is interested only in somehow keeping the investor panelists quiet. I know a few other persons who have lost money in Speak Asia and we have spoken to each other.

My sponsor has sold me his PINs and I have paid him money for the same. I have also spoken to an advocate who has informed me that I should register a FIR against my sponsor (as he has taken payment for PINs in this cheating survey scheme) as well as the remaining upline and the Speak Asia organisers, etc.

The advocate says that the FIR should be registered in the Police Station which has jurisdiction of the place of payment. He says that there is no need to go to EOW.

The advocate says that Justice Lahoti is only looking to distribute the money seized by the EOW, Income Tax, etc. He says that everyone who has lost money and feels cheated should file a criminal complaint against the person who has collected the money for PINs – whether sponsor or distributor.

He says that the FIR has to be registered and the money has to be recovered by the Police. There is a Bombay High Court Order for recording FIRs.

My email ID is akbarkhansao@gmail.com and I want other panelists in Mumbai only to contact me so that we can take some action together. I do not want to act alone.

Speak Asia has our money and will victimise anyone who stands alone. Every day I am struggling without my money and I do not want to struggle any more.

EOW would need some solid proof to arrest any one. Else they could sue them. The Pal brothers may be just dormant business partner .. or it could be that they are the real players, but never got their names involved… But their names corp up in all these suspicious organization (claimed to be in business with SOAL)

Such is life when you’re investigating the biggest MLM fraud India has ever seen.

Moreso when the company goes to such great efforts to hide it’s activities and pays off senior panelists and AISPA to keep members in the dark.

Such is life…

At least I’m open and honest and show the reasoning behind my opinions and analysis. The trail I’m following is diluted and Speak Asia and their senior panelists and franchisee owners do their best to supress the truth and keep the lies going.

I’m sure panelists are getting tired of hearing ‘nananan they’re all LYING! The media is paying them off! Trust us because we SAID SO!’

Meanwhile those $3000 deposits keep rolling in to Crasto and whoever else is on Speak Asia’s payroll…

Take note panelists, this is what happens when you stop swallowing the bullshit being rammed down your throats;

Manish Jain: The Brutous of speakasia

It has come to our knowledge that Mr.Chirag Bhandari RM formely Delhi Presently (Maharashtra) has become a traitor “Ghar ka Bhedi Lanka Dhaaye” All are Cautioned not to interact this brutous of speakasia.

Courtsy By – Well Wisher Of SAOL

First they stopped you asking questions they didn’t like and now they turn on you and cast you out if you dare question the Speak Asia, AISPA and senior panelist mob running the show. It’s like a cult.

Anyone know what this guy did? Perhaps he’s got something to do with Crasto’s arrest? The plot thickens.

“I guess when the EOW stated that the Speak Asia scam ‘may have been on a global scale‘, they weren’t kidding.”

oz is now very much upset of the working style of EOW Mumbai while he was much positive about EOW Mumbai earlier. He thought that tigers of EOW would finish the game of Speak Asia within a moment but it didn’t happen.

oz,now there is your new story for readers of Speak Asia i.e; “Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar investing in… Brazil”. Good and interesting story oz. Go ahead and write some other stories until the case of Speak Asia is not solved . Remember dear oz, you will be given “BHARAT RATAN” for that one day.

“From India to Holland, Singapore, Italy, Brazil, the British Virgin Islands, Dubai and god knows what other countries…..”

hahahahaha——- okay dear oz, tell me one thing, where do you get all these information ? Do EOW know all these things about Speak Asia or its CEO Mr. Manoj kumar? oz, why don’t you go to EOW and tell all these things and reveal all these hidden things.

If not possible, please send a mail to EOW and India Govt. for all these things. I think, you must be the legal adviser of EOW Mumbai because they are very upset and frustrated in the case of Speak Asia.

oz, I suppose, you can do a lot to EOW and finish the case of Speak Asia. What’s your opinion oz?

okay dear oz, tell me one thing, where do you get all these information ?

Seriously? No you’re kidding right.

…right?

I suppose, you can do a lot to EOW and finish the case of Speak Asia.

The EOW seem to be doing a decent enough jon their own, y’know… seeing as a lot of the India specific information in the article came from the EOW themselves. They’re onto the money trail, I just hope they’re adequately equipped to handle the magnitute of fraud Seven Rings International are involved in.

No wonder they aren’t showing up to the silly civil hearings – this Seven Rings scam is huge!

Also yesterday Acting COO Ashish Dandekar who was currently looking after Management Team Of Speak Asia was called for Enquiry by MUMBAI EOW.

What what? Now they’re saying Ashish Dandekar was arrested and remanded in custody for 7 days too??

Dandekar was hailed as ‘the acting COO’ when Bajpai was arrested and then fled upon release from hospital.

First they arrest Crasto, who is supposedly ‘just a panelist’ and then after a week of interrogations they convince a judge to remand Dandekar into custody too?

The noose tightens.

Note there’s no confirmation of the arrest, but where there’s smoke there’s fire. The senior panelists had everyone believing Crasto was just picked up for questioning too, until it was revealed he was arrested when it became evident he wasn’t coming home that night.

Ashish was picked up on Thursday yet nobody made it public till Friday night – and they expect us to believe they still can’t confirm whether he’s in custody or not? lol.

Obviously he’s been arrested and is being held. Maybe he was taking $3000 kickbacks too.

Dear oz, something on “vriginvideoads.com” must be focused from your side. I appreciate your hard working on behindmlm. It will never go useless. India govt. will call you soon and give you “Pramveer chakra”. I’m sure about that.

oz, don’t stop writing on behindmlm. We all enjoy your story very much. Really, it is like as TV. serial where we get full enjoyment.

oz, please, don’t stop writing on behindmlm. we all want to know —- “what is behind the MLM?”

@Akbar Khan
Don’t fight each other. Your sponsor have probably lost money, too. It may be better to cooperate with most of your entire upline, and register a FIR together with them. The company itself should be the target, not the individual panelists.

This is only a general advice, since I’m not familiar with the organization model of SpeakAsia – like how many levels there are in your upline.

At least, select a strategy that will prevent your downline (if you have one) from attacking you.

My sponsor has sold me his PINs and I have paid him money for the same. I have also spoken to an advocate who has informed me that I should register a FIR against my sponsor (as he has taken payment for PINs in this cheating survey scheme) as well as the remaining upline and the Speak Asia organisers, etc.

The advocate says that the FIR should be registered in the Police Station which has jurisdiction of the place of payment. He says that there is no need to go to EOW.

It is a much better strategy to attack a few people near the top of the organization, than to attack a whole lot of people near the middle or close to the bottom. It’s even better if you manage to attack the company itself, rather than the people. ‘Attacking the company’ will usually involve a few people at the top.

Using an advocate was a wise decission, but I didn’t like the strategy he selected. This strategy will create a lot of chaos among the panelists, if many of them are tempted to try a similar solution. It may also cause a lot of chaos at the police, when they shall handle thousands of FIRs.

Sorry, I don’t have any exact solutions for you here, but most panelists are basically ‘in the same boat’, either they are upline or downline in the system. In or out of the same boat may depend on how close they are to the top.

I believe most of the money was lost when SAOL siphoned the 900 crore to Singapore (in May or something). I don’t believe it will be easy to recover any money, either.

Best option is to attack Apex Panelist (Zero level) Ram Sumiran Pal and his nearest cronies (excluding 850 IDs created by Ram Sumiran Pal). This small group has pocketed Rs 1000 crore collected from 20 lakh panelists.

@Observer
I believe the best strategy is to attack some of their ongoing operations, like the one in Brazil. But I have a different viewpoint than the panelists, I am mostly focusing on strategy rather than money.

Like I said, I believe the money was lost in the 900 crore operation. Even if it’s possible to recover some money it will most certain take a very long time. I believe it is better to change focus, at least temporarily – unless someone has some really good ideas.

A website mistercolibri.com running in Brazil looks just like theadmatrix.com a scam operated by Ram Sumiran Pal and Satish Pal. According to the photograph Ram Pal is somehow connected with Seven Rings International.

Now the twist comes from a blog of mistercolibri.com that Speak Asia’s CEO Manoj Kumar and Elia De Prisco are directly involved in mistercolibri.com and both of them, are member of Seven Rings International.

There was another scam operated sometimes ago ourfreephone.com whose CEO was Antonio Grasso, also Elia De Prisco was there and both of them, are member of Seven Rings International.

There is one more company tulsient.com having two members Manoj Kumar and Rajiv Malhotra in BOD and both of them are, member of Seven Rings International.

Kunal Pathak a member of Seven Rings International was also operating MARCOM a division of SpeakAsia.

SpeakAsia’s website and Seven Rings International’s website both are hosted on same physical location.

Tulsient and Seven Rings International are having same office address.

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Those who don’t understand anything kindly clarify which part you don’t get.

I am glad someone has taken the time out to write a story on the scam business. Unfortunately, they were targeted mass of people in our country, India. Where they know they can scam away as much as they can with the lure of “free” money and take advantage of the system. Also, unfortunately, they have targeted people who are gullible.

As for why the some apex leaders keep bombarding at face book about the clever business, it’s simple: since it’s a Ponzi scheme, there is an inducement to loot more if company re-start the operation & more people stick together under them. But it is impossible!

At the end of the day, top promoters and founder of India caught & still both (India & Singapore) CEOes hide some ware (abroad country). EOW should be look into in detail in overseas & bring to Indian Jail.

Mr. Author! inform to the EOW to send “Red corner Notice” for Manoj Kumar ! He is an the main hero (CEO) of whole scam dealings, India !! Another global CEO (Kaurz) of sleep Asia (Speak Asia) is hided @ abroad itself !! All top brass have to bring @ court!

Individually, they can be explained, if taken in isolation of all other evidence.

Altogether, they cannot. There’s just TOO MANY of them.

SpeakAsians are now much like Holocaust Deniers. They try to discredit individual pieces of evidence, making them fit their worldview by spinning ever larger conspiracies (it’s the media, it’s the government, it’s other MLM companies), despite the preponderance of evidence against them.

Someone needs to write a book about this when the dust settles. It would be a fascinating read.

anju agarwal:
we don’t OWN manoj kumar.
what he and his team at seven rings international does in other countries is not our problem.

Oh, what happened to “we love you keep up the good work”?

anju agarwal:
we are happy to see you looking goodmanoj ,and hope to meet you soon in india.

it’s all right if you don’t have ‘charisma’,manoj,we dont want you to be a movie star.just be our ceo and move ahead swiftly.

not just you manoj ,all of us proud indians have ‘faith’ in our systems.

dear manoj,we cannot understand what soapbox means when he says you need indian money to start bangladesh operations.
as you run a ponzi scheme why do you need any start up money? ?just collect lotsa money for a few months from bangladesh and disappear ,right soapbox?

Ass Kay:
…Unfortunately, they were targeted mass of people in our country, India. Where they know they can scam away as much as they can with the lure of “free” money and take advantage of the system. Also, unfortunately, they have targeted people who are gullible.

India is not alone. An Indian scam, TVI Express, was recently convicted in Australia as pyramid scheme, and South Africa is calling it biggest scam ever to hit the country, with over 1 BILLION RAND potentially involved.

Most surrounding countries have already declared the scam illegal, but warning had not been heeded by many members. (And that’s last time I’ll mention TVI Express here).

Scam is a universal problem, even more so in the International Internet age where jurisdictions cause enforcement problems.

Now the senior panelists are trying to convine everyone Lahoti is responsible for the ‘closed-door’ nature of the Committee,

As Per our Legal Counsel No Intimations about Dates of Meetings of Mediation will be announced Publicly as per Orders Given By Justice Lohati …

After The Meetings Happen You all will be updated about them …

Why on Earth would Lahoti demand his meeting with Speak Asia, AISPA and the senior panelists be in complete secrecy? What does he care?

It just doesn’t add up. The only people who benefit from complete secrecy and keeping panelists in the dark are Speak Asia and it’s senior panelists trying to work backdoor deals for themselves without anyone finding out.

@Kasey

I think they meant Brutus, as in Julius Caesar: “Et tu, Brutus?”

Yeah that’d probably be it. Still curious as to what they did to incur the wrath of the senior panelists to declare them dead to Speak Asia.

you need to copy MisterColibri’s website with screenshots before they change them (and post them).

I’ve added several screenshots of the similarities between the two sites. A look at the source code of Mister Colibri pretty much confirms it’s a copy and paste job. They didn’t even bother to rename the classes called.

I hope you all will keep on continuing this discussion. This is giving us good material on how to keep ourselves engaged. Because none of the Speakasian will now argue with you after reading your baseless comments and further twisted replies.

Let the truth prevail..

I don’t know who wins this but who so ever wins will win in the court of law and not on this blog..

i fail to see how any business interest of seven rings international anywhere else in the world has anything to do with saol in india.

Really…?

Seven Rings International through Podium Ring International have a 100% shareholder stake in Speak Asia (confirmed in the latest ACRA filing of documents).

Why do you think Seven Rings through Harendar Kaur pulled as much money out of India as possible? Through their sham companies and other scams they’re running, Seven Rings have laundered much of the money they pulled out of India.

What else do you think the EOW, ID, MCA, IT and SFIO departments mean when they say this is a global operation involving money laundering, tax evasion and the biggest MLM fraud ever to operate in India.

The Supreme Court is ultimately toothless to retrieve this laundered money, they can order what they want but they’re not an investigative body and this Seven Rings scam spans several continents, tens of front companies and at least six countries.

Your only hope in hell to recover any money is just how effective the EOW have been at putting together a roadmap of where and what the money has been laundered through. Not withstanding they’ve had to fight Speak Asia and its panelists just to do this every step of the way.

A website mistercolibri.com running in Brazil looks just like theadmatrix.com a scam operated by Ram Sumiran Pal and Satish Pal. According to the photograph Ram Pal is somehow connected with Seven Rings International.

Now the twist comes from a blog of mistercolibri.com that Speak Asia’s CEO Manoj Kumar and Elia De Prisco are directly involved in mistercolibri.com and both of them, are member of Seven Rings International.

There was another scam operated sometimes ago ourfreephone.com whose CEO was Antonio Grasso, also Elia De Prisco was there and both of them, are member of Seven Rings International.

There is one more company tulsient.com having two members Manoj Kumar and Rajiv Malhotra in BOD and both of them are, member of Seven Rings International.

Kunal Pathak a member of Seven Rings International was also operating MARCOM a division of SpeakAsia.

SpeakAsia’s website and Seven Rings International’s website both are hosted on same physical location.

Tulsient and Seven Rings International are having same office address.

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Those who don’t understand anything kindly clarify which part you don’t get.

anju agarwal:
i fail to see how any business interest of seven rings international anywhere elsein the world has anything to do with saol in india.

Ah, your memory is indeed convenient, even with a reminder.

Back in July, when Manoj Kumar showed up in a video allegedly from Dubai, you’re all “Keep doing a good job we love you.” Now you’re “has nothing to do with us”.

What was it what you wrote? Let’s see… repost!

anju agarwal:
dear manoj,we cannot understand what soapbox means when he says you need indian money to start bangladesh operations.
as you run a ponzi scheme why do you need any start up money? ?just collect lotsa money for a few months from bangladesh and disappear ,right soapbox?

Turns out it wasn’t Bangladesh, but Brazil! At least Oz got the starting letter right. 😀 But it is indeed Indian money for BRAZILIAN operations.

here the eow is just in the final throes of it’s dead end investigation and they will soon be stopped by either the high court or the supreme court.

Sanjeev Khanna:
This is giving us good material on how to keep ourselves engaged.

Translation: tell each other stories to perpetuate the reality distortion field, which is weakening by the day.

Because none of the Speakasian will now argue with you after reading your baseless comments andfurther twisted replies.

You mean none of the SpeakAsians with a brain to see facts and make up their own mind.

Not only did their CEO is an international fugitive, he went ahead a started a clone of an operation in a different country that ALREADY FAILED (and implicated in money laundering) in India. Add to that 100 crore of money that left the country, and you “faithfuls” still believe that SAOL is legitimate.

Let the truth prevail.. I don’t know who wins this but who so ever wins will win in the court of law and not on this blog..

You SpeakAsian faithfuls are sounding more and more like the Colombia DMG faithfuls. When the government went in and shut the whole thing down, they were chanting in the streets “We believe in God and DMG.” What’s next for you folks?

I really think these flag bearers of SAOL are just too much..they refuse the irrefutable evidence you put on this blog yesterday..no matter what they will not believe that SAOL is tainted..Even if Gods came down now and told them so they wont believe and cry WAAA and accuse the Media/Law Agencies of bribing God..

I now surely believe that this is a massive cover up planned by the Co. and surely some money might have exchanged hands..somewhere..After so much evidence has been put forward not an iota of doubt has come in their minds about the scam..are they thick “somewhere” or what???

I’m sure the Govt. Agencies now will be kicking themselves for allowing the CEO Bail…as he is nowhere to be found..The scam got boiled over too soon for the Masters reckoning.. and they did not time their pull out too well.

The Kumars and Kaur just managed to escape.. the Law Agencies should have waited for Kumar to return from his Dubai trip before they took a step forward..then the whole problem would have been solved and the Panelists would have got back at least some of the money..

I also believe that the release of the funds by Banks..(which later were siphoned away to Singapore) was done under much pressure on the Banks/RBI/Income tax by Political bigwigs etc..hence I wonder why does not the EOW confirm the presence of money in the Bank A/Cs of Haren Kaur/SAOL in Singapore..right now..only then the the picture will be more clear.Peace be with everybody..

SpeakAsia’s beloved CEO as per Anju Agrawal is about to start another Fraud in Brazil now and that too with exact copy of AdMatrix.

Now she will say it can be a coincidence that the webpages (whose source code i have just checked) is a exact copy of AdMatrix.

It is clear now everything is coming out of one company Seven Rings International, their site is also hosted on same Usonyx webservers in singapore just as SpeakAsia’s.

Oh this might also be a coincidence as per Anju Agrawal.

And this was really funny OZ
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Tarak Bajpai is probably holed up in a hotel somewhere learning Portuguese… Seven Rings have hired him to be Mister Colibri’s newSai baba hero.
I heard Ashok’s stopped taking phonecalls as he’s too busy setting up an association for them too. They’re going too call it AIMCRAP, the All India Mister Colibri Righteous Association for Panelists.
Mister Colibri is bound to win and will definitely win. JAI MISTER COLIBRI!

The persons in the Management Team in Seven Rings International doesn’t seem to have existed (on the internet) before 2007 or 2008?
* Or they have erased their previous history?
* Or they have existed under different names and backgrounds?

They don’t seem to exist outside Seven Rings Network, Mister Colibri, SpeakAsia Online or other related companies/situations. It was possible to find 1 or 2 photos of each of them. Their professional life (on the internet) seems to have started in 2007 or later. They don’t seem to have any personal lives.

Antonio Grasso:“Mr. Antonio Grasso is a highly regarded international trainer and mentor.”
But he is totally unknown, and his CV is pretty vague and doesn’t mention any company-names. I believe the expression “highly regarded” is his own opinion, since he doesn’t seem to be much regarded outside Seven Rings?

Elia De Prisco:“A real self-made man, Elia De Prisco was born in Germany . He has travelled and worked in more than 20 countries across four continents.”
He is also totally unknown, and has a very vague CV. It sounds like some “hit’n’run” when he works?

Manoj Kumar:“Mr. Manoj Kumar joined PCL in 1985 as Deputy General Manager before turning into an entrepreneur in 1989, when he joined CMS as a Director.” Pretty vague CV, but at least he mention some company names:
* Founded LanBit India Pvt Ltd. in 1995
* LanBit software solution division (now Tulsient) was founded in April 1999.
* The founder of DMA India (Direct Marketing Association) in 1996. Fake or misleading? The real name is Direct Marketing Association (DMA) India, and it had it’s formation in 1992.
* Started 2 MLM, Sevenrings International and Our Free Phone, in 2007

None of these 3 managers seems to have been employed in companies (other than their own). Manoj Kumar “joined” 2 companies or something, in 1985 and 1989.
* Manoj Kumar, we don’t “join” companies when we’re hired, we “work for” them. You have obviously joined some MLM-schemes or something?
* We don’t “found” an association, either. The Direct Marketing Association used the word “formation”.

All this tells me they are pretty unexperienced in running ordinary companies (of some size), as managers or in leading positions. They seem to have been self-employed most of the time, in some way or another. They seem to be more experienced in MLM-scams than in real business.

The last 3 of the managers didn’t seem to be very important, so I don’t bother to analyze their CVs.
Rajiv Malhotra
Kunal Pathak
Rohit Khanna

The name Seven Rings International seems to be a “COPY” of an existing companyname?SEVEN RINGS EDUCATION PRIVATE LIMITED was found in the Company Registry in India, registered 19/10/1995 in Maharashtra. CIN/1A Ref No = U80904MH1995PTC093843

I’m not very familiar with the Company Registry in India, so I didn’t find all the information I was looking for. The company registry was found at Ministry of Corporate Affairs, mca.gov.in

It seems like these guys are faking a lot of things, as part of their “business operations”. Seven Rings International doesn’t seem to be registered in India at all (as a for-profit company). They claim to be part of a Seven Ring company in Italy, and also to be represented in most other European countries. They are not registered in any European country (according to the central company registry).

The company itself doesn’t reveal the necessary information on their website, either. A registered company should usually have som tax-information, VAT-information, and some information about their registration number and where/when they are registered. This is necessary if they do business with other companies, and it’s even more necessary for foundations.

Seven Rings have chosen the best pay plan for its associates which gives 4 different incomes in a single program.

You have to go through two basic rings- learner ring and trainer ring which further is divided into levels.

You enter in the learner rings as a learner and exit learner ring after completion of 3 levels with the effort of your entire team. At this stage you enter in the trainers ring as a trainee and get paid US $250

You enter in the trainers ring as a trainer and exit training ring after completion of 3 levels. At this stage you get US $9200 and one re- entry into the trainers ring. This re-entry system allows you to cycle out again and again.

Being a recruitment scam, that’s pretty much why it eventually collapsed in India – they ran out of new recruits to pump $220 into the system.

Back again a few years later with Speak Asia and a similar price entry point ($220-$240), this time the authorities got involved before Kumar and friends could cleanly cut and run.

Either that or the scam got bigger then they ever imagined it would and have decided the best course of action is to sacrifice some of the proceeds to fund legal action for as long as possible hoping that time covers their tracks.

This is good work. I have started reading since seven days. It is clear Speak Asia is cheating of Indians by Indians with the help of Indians.

Why Bhiarwani, Anju others not give their adress and phone no. so we can meet and get help? I do not want to go Police if they help. Otherwise what to do? I have children. My wife jewellery is with Bank for loan which money I give to Speak Asia.

Please form group to help as your website is famous. I will wait one week more.

Why has EOW, ED, IT not gone to Supreme Court to tell truth and help investers?

Otherwise what to do? I have children. My wife jewellery is with Bank for loan which money I give to Speak Asia.

Sorry to hear about your situation Ram. Ultimately it’s stories like yours that are the real damage ponzi schemes like Speak Asia wreak, even when we’re talking an investment of just a few hundred US.

I’m not involved in any action against Speak Asia or the investigations themselves, I just analyse what’s infront of me and the information I have access to.

Given the option of throwing your support behind the closed-door Lahoti Committee that is meeting in secret and pushing the agendas of who knows what, I’d suggest you explore the option of getting incontact with those running the Rajmani PIL.

Note that this isn’t a recommendation or support of the PIL as I don’t know these guys personally or the absolute particulars of their case. I do know however that they are willing to share the progress of their PIL and be open and honest about it which is more than I can say for the senior panelists and AISPA involved in the Lahoti Commitee.

These clowns sold the idea of Supreme Court action to panelists on the guarantee they would be openly and fairly represented. Then when they got their committee they slammed the door shut cutting panelists out and who knows what they’re discussing in there now.

Given these are currently the only two options open to panelists, aside from launching your own action – make of the above information what you will.

Why has EOW, ED, IT not gone to Supreme Court to tell truth and help investers?

Because the Supreme Court action is civil and these departments are curerently busy investigating Speak Asia on a criminal level.

As has been mentioned a few times now, if someone owed you money and were also under crimnal investigation, you could launch civil action to recover your money but you’d be pretty much wasting your time until the outcome of the criminal matters was concluded. That and the authorities wouldn’t waste their time appearing at your action as its got nothing to do with them, it’s a civil matter.

As evidenced by the SFIO due mid this month and ongoing arrests by Speak Asia as they interrogate what’s left of management that Speak Asia hasn’t shipped off overseas or put into hiding – the EOW investigation is progressing along.

They don’t have time to play silly games with Speak Asia, the senior panelists and AISPA as they know full well the SC won’t interfere with their criminal investigation. An appearance would be a waste of time on their behalf.

The only reason the RBI rocked up is because from all indications they’ve passed up their findings to the ED, IT and MCA – given they themselves have admitted they can’t take action against a MLM company.

@ ram prasad
soapbox has no clue about what is really going on with the company and aispa on the ground here in india.

he is just sitting behind the computer in taiwan or someplace and he uses his inference and not facts.

1) in the mumbai high court the rajmani criminal pil and the aispa civil pil were clubbed together and heard together.

2) similarly in the supreme court the impleadment of eow as a respondent means that the civil and criminal matters will be heard together by justice lahoti.

3) in the very first settlement meeting justice lahoti laid down a code of conduct which is not going to be breached by either saol or aispa. soapbox is just pissed HE is not getting his dose of information. indians know how our judges are and are not surprised that we have to maintaining very high standards of decorum here.any important milestones achieved will of course be reported to the panelist.
4)pl visit aispa.co.in for the latest info on the company and do join the speakasia powers group or a similar group on facebook for latest info on the company and also for dialogue with other panelists

Is Anju telling? No! She wants to lump everything together and claim it’s all going fine for SAOL. Based on what? Is she a lawyer? How can it be combined together if one was WITHDRAWN? Hmmm?

There are TWO reasons to withdraw a case: a) you obviously will lose, so you don’t want it officially recorded that you’ll lose, or 2) the case is no longer needed / rendered moot. Care to guess why AISPA withdrew their case?

2) similarly in the supreme court the impleadment of eow as a respondent means that the civil and criminal matters will be heard together by justice lahoti.

Come on, Anju. You gave too much credit to RETRIED Chief Justice Lahoti. He’s not “hearing” a case. He’s not a judge any more. He REPORTS to the court judge.

You also can’t combine criminal and civil lawsuits. The Lahoti Committee is formed due to Solomon Jemes’ CIVIL suit, at the order of the judge. If the scope of the committee changed like Anju claimed here, the change must be done by the judge, and that would make absolutely no sense.

3) in the very first settlement meeting justice lahoti laid down a code of conduct which is not going to be breached by either saol or aispa.

And such a code of conduct is “fight club”? i.e. “You do not talk about Fight Club?”

And who said so? Just AISPA / Bahirwani (and Anju here, and rumors flying about, unsubstantiated)

Nope, we want to see an OFFICIAL statement from Lahoti that he had issued a “gag order” that no one is to talk about the case outside. Proper conduct does not always include a gag order.

SpeakAsians are in this mess BECAUSE nobody asked questions. They were shouted down by followers such as Anju, about keeping with decorum and rules and all that.

Yeah uh… what Kasey said. They couldn’t have been lumped together becasue one is civil and one is criminal. That and AISPA withdrew theirs, whilst the Rajmani PIL is due back in cour tommorow.

What, are we just making up anything now?

3) in the very first settlement meeting justice lahoti laid down a code of conduct which is not going to be breached by either saol or aispa.

Why does Lahoti give two shits about informing the panelists what happens in the committee hearings? The outcome of the mediation process is determined by the report he submits, nothing else.

The only people who benefit fromt he censorship of what is discussed in the meetings are Speak Asia and the senior panelists its paying.

And before you ask for proof, Exhibit A: Aispa President, Melvin Crasto. Currently being held in jail for taking ‘unexplained’ kickbacks from Speak Asia.

Panelists and the general public should be able to discuss the committee if they want. Let us not forget the forming of the committee was the result of a public interest litigation filing.

And please, again I have no vested financial interest in Speak Asia – the only people being denied information here are the panelists the mob of AISPA and the senior panelists claim to represent.

It’s quite obvious selective information is being released to the public as Speak Asia and co. see fit. Case in point, how is it we are being told notices were sent to the authorities by Lahoti, but nothing else?

Selective distribution of information because the whole picture of what was discussed is no doubt damning.

Thanks a lots for this information… Really this is a very big scam. all the country should be alert… In the month of may june there was one more company named was http://www.clickadonline.com this was a very big fraud… even they showed advertisement of very famous companies like fuji film camera, toyota, nissan car etc…

they also cheat lacs of people in india. I am the one out of them… govt should be alert otherwise such kind of people will get more confidence… They should be given only death sentence….So that no one will do such kind of courage to cheat people… and I request to all indian that, please dont put a single coin in such kind of companies and if you listen any company then immediately do a complaint to your local police or EOW in your area….

I request to owner of this website,(where i am writing comments) you please make a website where we can do complaint of any scam… so EOW and other govt authority will take an immediate action…

Common Sense goes for a toss when these SpeakAsians like Anju give their explanations like a criminal case is going to be clubbed with a commitee of retired sc judge and going to be heard by a retired judge outside the court.

I’m following speakasia case again, since it is going with twists and turns, i won’t stand by anybody’s side – i have decided to wait & watch the game how it is going to finish, but my only prayer is innocent people who have put their hardly earned money in this company have to get back their actual amount at least. And moreover, EOW, Supreme Court Or Lahoti Committee has to give the final result as early as possible since these sort of cases has to complete in fast-track method in countries like India to avoid further cheating activities by companies.

@anju agarwal
I visited aispa.co.in for the info from 3-12-2011. The PIL was withdrawn 16-NOV-2011, and the ‘news’ was released 17 days later?

“We had to authenticate the news first” or something? No wonder why some panelists prefer other sources, with less “jai SpeakAsia” and more facts.

4)pl visit aispa.co.in for the latest info on the company and do join the speakasia powers group or a similar group on facebook for latest info on the company and also for dialogue with other panelists

You are right in something, they need dialogue with other panelists, in a place where they can speak freely and openly. I don’t believe you can offer such conditions? I would suggest a neutral forum as a solution.

Paying panelists:
We both know that the issues with banks in India is a problem, that they won’t transfer money from SpeakAsia to the panelists. I believe we also both know that this problem could be solved many months ago, at least partially? It would required a lot of work, but it isn’t a problem to pay someone if you really want to pay and have the money, and ignore that it is illegal.

* Most MLMs know the use of debetcards as a solution.

* It is also possible to pay from other companies’ accounts, like Mister Colibri (Brazil), Podium Ring (BVI) or other companies outside of India.

A major problem is the large number of panelists, and that SpeakAsia only siphoned 900 crore out of India in May/June.
900 crore / 12 lakh panelists = 7,500 rupies for each of them

I believe the real problem is that SpeakAsia isn’t a real company, it’s a Ponzi-scheme.

in melvyn’s bail hearing on monday senior criminal lawyer shrikanth bhat [aispa] tore into the eow demanding to know why they had not heeded the supreme courts orders to appear before it on two occasions.

there were speakasians in court that day, and eyewitness reports say that the eow informed the magistrate that they would be appearing before the next sitting of the lahoti committee.lets see if they turn up .but saol and the eow in one room, under justice lahoti’s eagle eye ,will start the process of healing.

the clubbing of civil and criminal matters is not new and if you don’t understand the intricacies of indian law ,you’ll do better to shut up respectfully about it .

chang dropped the ball way back. since aispa withdrew it’s pil in the mumbai high court the judge has been nagging the respondents to withdraw the rajmni pil .tommorow it comes up for hearing and it’s fate will be decided.

Yet the judge still granted additional custody to the EOW. Obviously your lawyer’s rants didn’t amount to much and weren’t convincing anyone.

but saol and the eow in one room, under justice lahoti’s eagle eye ,will start the process of healing.

The civil action launched by panelists has nothing to do with the criminal investigation. Not withstanding the fact that Seven Rings International has already laundered the Speak Asia money into Brazil and who knows where else, so there’s nothing to recover anyway.

there were speakasians in court that day, and eyewitness reports say that the eow informed the magistrate that they would be appearing before the next sitting of the lahoti committee.

It’ll certainly be interesting if they do!

the clubbing of civil and criminal matters is not new and if you don’t understand the intricacies of indian law ,you’ll do better to shut up respectfully about it .

How about you explain how if the matters were joined together, how come they were never heard on the same date and with AISPA withdrawing its PIL, how the Rajmani PIL still stands.

You’re clearly just making stuff up now.

tommorow it comes up for hearing and it’s fate will be decided.

Yeah, just like Bahirwani declared it would be withdrawn two weeks ago… we’ll see what happens.

How about you explain how if the matters were joined together, how come they were never heard on the same date and with AISPA withdrawing its PIL, how the Rajmani PIL still stands.-soapbox

they have ALWAYS been heard together on the same day but the eow was ever turning up and begging for time ,so no progress was made and we kept getting fresh dates.
then the eow pulled the same stunt in the supreme court and refused to turn up.

but now they cant ignore justice lahoti’s final notice.

as for why the rajmani pil still stands read my answer again.

as for why melvyn did not make bail ,you must have noticed how every body arrested in this case gets to live with the eow for 14 days .it’s a procedural thing ,technical thing and has very little to do with the merits of the case.

anju agarwal:
in melvyn’s bail hearing on monday senior criminal lawyer shrikanth bhat [aispa] tore into the eow demanding to know why they had not heeded the supreme courts orders to appear before it on two occasions… eyewitness reports say that the eow informed the magistrate that they would be appearing before the next sitting of the lahoti committee.

The real question is WHY are they a party in a CIVIL lawsuit between Solomon Jemes and SpeakAsia. The reasonable explanation is SpeakAsia in turn pointed fingers at RBI and EOW, claiming THEY are the ones Solomon Jemes should be suing, not SpeakAsia, and the judge request the question to be explored by the Lahoti Committee, with recommendations back to him when it concludes, so he can make the final decision.

the clubbing of civil and criminal matters is not new and if you don’t understand the intricacies of indian law ,you’ll do better to shut up respectfully about it .

Feel free to name me ONE case where this is alleged to have happened. As you claimed “it is not new” it can’t be hard. or are we just supposed to take your word for it, just like you falsely claimed that SpeakAsia does NOT publish e-zines?

chang dropped the ball way back. since aispa withdrew it’s pil in the mumbai high court the judge has been nagging the respondents to withdraw the rajmni pil .tommorow it comes up for hearing and it’s fate will be decided.

I have seen no neutral confirmation of what you are claiming. Is there a court transcript available, or eyewitness that does NOT belong to SpeakAsia? You SpeakAsians have either very convenient memories or distorted and misrepresented facts.

Furthermore, even with Raj Mani PIL gone, EOW, CID, SFIO, IT, and other agencies can launch their own PIL.

You SpeakAsians seem to think that if that the Raj Mani PIL is quashed SpeakAsia is home free.

Maybe Raj Mani withdrew the PIL BECAUSE the judge want it combined with a civil suit, as not to interfere with the other investigations.

As for the ball, you dropped it a long time ago. The difference is you are pretending to still have it, while secretly hoping whoever took it will give it back to you.

Brazilian:
Now they changed “colibrimakemoney” website and deleted the part about Manoj Kumar

Clearly, somebody has something to hide! Scammers are very fond of any evidence implicating themselves… to hide them from public view. TVI Express (another scam out of India) is very fond of this. They even revised their own FAQ and removed offending language I’ve previously identified, except their replacement doesn’t fit with the rest of the website.

Oz: take a picture of their “updated” website, as a before/after shot to prove something was removed. Pictures are alternating left/right, correct? It probably isn’t any more.

However ever since this hearing, the entire speak Asians community inclusive of the company and its employees, panelist and their family members including both women and old parents have become the target of a renewed malicious campaign by the authorities.

And the company seems to fail to understand the difference between a criminal investigation into fraud and criminal activity, and civil action taken against the company to recover money;

This started with the arrest of Mr. Melvin Cresto, President of the AISPA and also this followed up with the arrest of Mr. Ashish Dandekar, Regional Manager of our company.

Both these actions are highly deplorable as they come in the back drop of the mediation process already set in motion.

Both those arrests have nothing to do with the civil action, which the EOW to date have nothing to do with (apart from being requested to attend and waste their time).

They do however confirm that the EOW’s investigation is tightening the noose around them:

We are given to believe though reliable sources that a senior officer of EOW has gone on to state that there will be more such arrests in the very near future with an aim of

bringing close the legal action which will end this ponzi scheme once and for all.

I like how they’ve given up signing any particular name to their fake press releases to. Like putting Harendar Kaur’s name at the bottom with a stamp and copy and pasted signature was fooling anyone.

Who’s signature is that anyway, Manoj Sharma Kumar?

Maybe the news of him investing in Brazil prompted him to put out a press release to keep the sheep in check. Why don’t they just sign their press releases and give credit to Seven Rings International directly.

And just for kicks because Anju made such a big deal when the TOI misspelt Crasto’s name… here’s how Speak Asia spell it:

Yes, they obviously ran this one past the legal team and editors before hitting publish. I wonder which paid senior panelist is uploading these releases for Speak Asia, the language used is very ‘I don’t quite have a complete grasp of the English language’.

Come to think of it, asking EOW to APPEAR AS WITNESS is not the same as EOW appearing AS A DEFENDENT.

I can see why Anju would like the rest of us to think so though… Judge can order EOW to appear as witness (by a subpoena), but he can’t suddenly add a new defendant to the lawsuit. The original plaintiff would have to add it.

No doubt Anju will claim that “we have no understanding of Indian court system” and dismiss my observation.

@Brazilian
How did you find this website? There isn’t many keywords here related to Brazil or Mister Colibri yet, but the keyword “colibrimakemoney” has this article as number 5 in my search engine (Google, search from Norway).

I am looking for an answer like “I was using [keyword or searchstring] and this website was number nn”. Or some other answer if you used other methods.

It’s possible to write some information here that is ‘designed’ for users in Brazil, so they will find some valuable information when they try to research Mister Colibri (if they shall decide to join or not).

We don’t have much information here about the situation in Brazil, since the activities in Brazil was ‘hidden’ until someone contacted Oz a few days ago. I have watched some of the videos for Mister Colibri, but I haven’t spent much time researching Mr. Colibri.

The most valuable information I have at this moment:
* Mister Colibri is a clone of AdMatrix, and “in the same family as” SpeakAsia and Sevenrings. This means they will probably use similar methods.
* None of these schemes had a registered company in the country they operated. SpeakAsia have a registered company in Singapore, and pretended to be a company in India.
* Mister Colibri’s videos tries to give an impression that they’re very active in Europe. This is false, and I believe they have edited some old videos from Sevenrings. Mister Colibri is practically unknown in Europe.

anju agarwal: as for mrcallibri ,what manoj kumar and seven rings does in brazil,bangladesh,indonesia etc is not a concern of saol ,india.they are free to take their business into antarctica for all i care.

I released an idea a little too early, before it was ‘properly prepared’. The idea was to create a ‘fresh money trail’ some place or another, out from one country an into other countries, involving large amounts of money.

I believe the best strategy is to attack some of their ongoing operations, like the one in Brazil. But I have a different viewpoint than the panelists, I am mostly focusing on strategy rather than money.

It was just an idea, but some ideas turns out to be solutions that actually works, or at least creates som progress. This idea was a part of the answer to Akbhar Khan and Observer. It was part of the “Don’t fight each other, fight the company instead” answer.

The idea had to involve Interpol or something to work, and I don’t think they’re involved yet. At least I don’t think they’re ‘prepared enough’ in Brazil to follow a money trail out of the country.

I release ideas to see if something happens. In this case they removed Manoj Kumar’s name from a website. It looks like they’re adjusting some of their plans, to meet a new situation? The ‘something’ i was aiming at to happen was to create a fresh money trail.

A new update has arrived on speakasia blog with their letter head and signed by corporate marketing team. Off course i believe there is no such team at speakasia but some senior panelist who are trying to save themselves from downlines and releasing these fake news thru letterhead.

Whoever these people are, they seem to be very scared as of now as they have reported that Justice P.N. Lahoti was hearing them, while it was Justice R C Lahoti. LOL

M_Norway:
The idea had to involve Interpol or something to work, and I don’t think they’re involved yet. At least I don’t think they’re ‘prepared enough’ in Brazil to follow a money trail out of the country.

Actually, Indian CID has already asked for Interpol’s assistance, according to Indian newspapers:

The Speak Asia online money circulation scam is getting bigger, with the Crime Investigation Department finding out that money was routed from Singapore. The CID has sought the assistance of Interpol and the Singapore government to collect details on the financial activities of the company abroad and about the top brass, Harendar Kaur, one of the accused. Investigations revealed that the accused used the ‘Seven Rings’ company to route the money in the form of investments from Singapore.

I could have copied some information from there, but maybe it’s better if someone ‘invites him’ to this article (post a comment and a link there)? I tried to do so, but I don’t have any of the ‘profiles’ needed to post comments there (since I usually don’t post any comments in blogs).

And note the choice of PNG file format. Unlike JPEG, PNG has no meta data to reveal stuff, such as what’s edited it and stuff.

However, if you bring the image into irfanview, and do “edge detection”, you can see that the signature block was of a different font size and font density than the body of the letter. In Edge detection it shows up as “fuzzier” than the text in the body.

The signature block was scanned and pasted from previous letter. This whole letter smells like a Photoshop job.

@Sameer
“Everything here is looking like the speakasia marketing blog itself is fake created by some senior panelist who wants to safeguard his/her interest by coming out with fake positive news”.

The finger of suspicion points towards Apex Panelist Ram Sumiran Pal as he is the initiator and mastermind of the scam. Having already siphoned away Rs 1000 crore, he is spending a small part of the ill-gotten wealth to cover his trail.

Some examples:
* Stockguruindia- NOT APPROVED BY SEBI or RBI top networkers raided by direct tax department -CLOSED
* Ram Survey-CLOSED – U.P.POLICE
* Speak Asia online – EOW after investigation arrests person who used to write and design surveys for Speak Asia which it claimed came from its clients

* Elia de Prisco ‘escorts’ Peter Kimmel when they arrive.
* Peter Kimmel is the first person called up on stage, in something that appears like a ‘crowning ceremony’. His wife is included in the ceremony.
* Elia de Prisco is the second person called up on stage.
* Mr. Antonio Grasso is called up as the third person, but they didn’t include much of him in the final video.
* Peter Kimmel speaks in his native language, Italian, while Elia de Prisco translates the speech to English.

I’m only trying to identify the people involved here, and their different ‘roles’ in this project. This will make it possible to protect different interests here, too.

I don’t think Manoj Kumar is on top of the foodchain here. He may have been on top of another foodchain, before he started to cooperate with Seven Rings. He’s probably on top of the chain in India, as the ‘local organizer’ or something.

Good ideas
Sevenrings have some business ideas that may work even without a scheme attached to them, and work better in the long term than their current ideas. I find a lot of value in some of their ideas, if these ideas are real. Faked ideas without any substance have very little value, but it is possible to add extra value to ideas.

I have also found a lot of skills here that have value. They’re more professional as motivational speakers than as business leaders (for sustainable business models).

Why I’m analyzing these things?
I’m looking for some alternative solutions to different problems. I don’t think the current solutions are very good for anyone. I don’t have any better solutions myself, either, but I will try to find some.

It’s necessary to identify the ‘Big Cheese’ if you want some kind of decissions to be made.

I believe the Italian Peter Kimmel use a faked name. I found another Peter W. Kimmel from Austria, Financial and Lifestyle Coach. He has German as his native language, and I believe he is the real Peter Kimmel here.http://www.peterkimmel.com/

I had the same feeling of faked names when I checked Elia de Prisco and Antonio Grasso. I found some celebrities with similar names, but I found very little information about these guys. They appeared to have started their lives in 2007 or 2008 in Sevenrings, and they appeared to have no personal life outside Seven Rings.

Have the authorities looked into it at all? Is there even a regulator for these kind of scams in Brazil?

Show them what happened to AdMatrix and get them to investigate. The plug was already pulled on the AdMatrix in India once it got out of control, the same will happen in Brazil as these clowns are just pulling ads from YouTube and pretending they were paid to show them to members.

@Jose — ask your government to get involved EARLY. When it gets too big, you’ll end up like the DMG Grupo scam in Colombia, that involved up to SIX MILLION people, with people conducting hunger strikes and riots in the streets, chanting “We believe in God and David Murcia” (leader of DMG).

@Oz and K. Chang
I believe we can focus on HOW to do it for a while? I tried something similar in 2009 in Norway, and it wasn’t easy to identify ‘the right authority’ and ‘how to pass information’.

Involvment in the case:
* If you haven’t been scammed yourself then you don’t have to be a part of any case, and it’s enough if you send some information to ‘the right authority’.
* If you have been scammed yourself it’s better to send a complaint rather than information.
* If you only wants to warn others, and don’t want to actively involve yourself in something, then posting information on a forum may be a solution. Internet is a powerful tool to pass information to anyone interested in the information.

These 3 types of ‘involvment’ may need different types of information, and different types of sources or documentation.
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I believe I can provide some useful information, but I’m not familiar with ‘right Government agencies’ in Brazil. I don’t know exactly how they work, either.

I’ll have to start with some ‘general information’ first, before I write something more specific.

Government agencies, in general:
* Most Government agencies have the obligation to inform the public, either if it’s an individual or the public in general. This means you can ASK for information on how to file a complaint, before filing anything.
* They do also have the obligation to send information to other departments involved, to pass information across departments.
* They do also have the obligation to identify their own jurisdiction, related to a case. AN EXAMPLE: Local police may have to pass information to a centralized unit, if the case involves several districts outside their own district. They also have to pass information to other departments if the case involves ‘special types of crime’, like tax-crime.

It’s possible to use specific terms and expressions to ‘speed up’ parts of the process, or to reduce your own involvment in a case.
* I would usually try to reduce my own involvment, if my only intention was to inform.
* I would increase my own involvment if my intention was to complain. But maybe I would asked first, ‘How do I file a complaint?’.
* I would avoid some expressions that may slow down progress. Being too specific in identifying the type of crimes can slow down progress. Being too vague may give a similar result as being too specific.
* I would use some expressions that may speed up progress in parts of the case, like how they treat the case in a local police district.
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I can try to write something more specific about how to send information to local police or other Government agencies, while reducing your own involvment and increasing the progress of the case.

I can also try to write something more specific about how to use internet to pass information to others, including how to reduce or increase your own involvment.

Another problem in this area is different countries have vastly different legislations. China is visibly against pyramid schemes (and seems, by definition, MLMs, though “direct selling” is allowed, but only with permit)

The issue gets even more complicated when multiple countries are involved, such as SpeakAsia here (7 countries so far?), or even TVI Express, which is cleared based in India, though it claims a Cyprus office (and previously, a UK office as well), with “local office” in Indonesia and Philippines and Kazakhstan, and supposedly even in South Africa where they’ve been outlawed since 2010!

Not even a raid by Indian police on TVI Express’ home office in Bangalore back in August have slowed down this scam, because it’s spread so far.

Perhaps what we need is a crowd-sourced table of the various law enforcement agencies (both civil and criminal) in various countries, that handles fraud.

I can try to write something more specific about how to send information to local police or other Government agencies, while reducing your own involvment and increasing the progress of the case.

I can also try to write something more specific about how to use internet to pass information to others, including how to reduce or increase your own involvment.

This sounds like good information to have as seperate articles. If you have time I can publish the two as guest posts as in the future it’ll be useful to have something to point at if the topic comes up again.

If I should write some specific for this case, about sending information to local police in Brazil …

1. They need enough information to evaluate the information as reliable, which means it should include some reliable sources.
* The article itself contains all the information needed, but it’s possible to describe where to find it and what they will find. They can ignore the comments related to this article, to save some time.

2. They need some information that makes it easier to make a decision on what they should do with the information, like investigating it as a local case or send the information to a centralized unit.
* The number of participants in Mister Colibri should make it easier to determine if the case is local or nationwide?
* The relation to other schemes in India should make it easier to make other decisions, like which centralized agency they have to inform.
* Being too specific in identifying it as a specific type of crime may be misleading. It’s better to let them identify what it is, but it’s possible to add some suggestions like “economic crime”, “crimes that cross borders”, “pyramid or Ponzi scheme”, “investment fraud” and similar expressions, as suggestions rather than identifying anything.

3. Sorting the information may make it easier to evaluate and to make any decisions. It’s possible to separate information into “local in Brazil” and “connections to other countries”. The article itself starts from another viewpoint, since it tells the story about how the information was found long before it focus on the situation in Brazil.
* Adding a little information in a specific sortorder may make the information in the article more useful. They are most interested in the local situation “Mister Colibri, Brazil” (websites, organizers, number of participants, recruitment methods, etc.).

Specific suggestion:
My suggestion is to send an email to the local police, using a link to this article as a main source. I would have added some information on my own in the email, like where in the article they will find the “local information”, where to find “international connections” and where to find “reliable sources”.

It should be possible to write something like this:

Possible economic crime: Mister Colibri
I have found this information on the internet, and my main sourde is an article at behindmlm.com.
(link to this article)
The article involves an ongoing scheme in Brazil, “Mister Colibri”, but it’s mostly related to some similar schemes in India, and partly related to similar schemes in other countries. They didn’t have much information about the situation in Brazil and Mister Colibri, but they have identified Mister Colibri to be a clone of a similar scheme “AdMatrix” in India, with the same people involved as organizers for the scheme.

Mister Colibri:
(Describe the local situation first. I can specify the information needed later)

International connections:
(Describe the international connections briefly. They are well covered in the article)

Sources:
(Identify some of the most reliable sources in the article, even if they’re only related to India and Speak Asia)

Additional information:
(It’s possible to add some additional information, but you should focus on the most important information first).
Most of these schemes have had a low cost entry fee, 200 – 250 USD, but with the possibility to buy additional “Identies” into the scheme, or the possibility to buy certain positions like “Franchisee” or other titles, with investments many times the low cost entry fee.

I think and work like this:

* They need to evaluate the information as *reliable” and “valuable”. I may need to do some work to make it easier for them to evaluate the information?

* They may need some specific information to make a decision on how to handle the information. I may have to add some information if it’s not covered in the article?

* Then I try to do the work, offer the information they need, and adding or sorting information if I think it’s needed.

* Then I read and evaluate the information when it’s finished, trying to evaluate if it’s possible to read the story first without checking the sources. Most people will prefer to read the information before they check any sources.

@K. Chang
I tried something similar in 2009. I( sent information to
* 2 Norvegian internet “newspapers”
* Consumer Protection Authority
* The Norwegian Gaming Board
* The local police, adding some “special expressions” that made them send the information to “Economic Crimes unit” within 2 days.

All the 3 authorities responded simultaneously 3 weeks later, in a news release from the Consumer Protection agency, warning against “Get Rich Quick” schemes in general, and using this specific company as an example of these schemes. There was interviews with both Consumer Protection agency, Gaming Board and Economic Crimes Unit.

That’s why I mentioned “It is possible to speed up the progress in some areas”, but usually it’s better to let them (the authorities) decide what to do. The authorities usually works slowly, anyway. Speeding up parts of the process won’t necessary speed up the case.

In 2009, I had to TRY how the system worked, and I decided to try all 3 possibilities at once. I cannot recommend the same method for anyone else, especially if the information relates to another country.

I believe Seven Rings (Sevenrings) is some sort of “main company” for these schemes, or a “facade” to disguise the real nature of these businesses. I believe they used this company to recruit some of the local leaders in India in 2008. In Brazil I think they use Mister Colibri both to recruit leaders and to recruit participants (I don’t think they use Sevenrings there). Seven Rings seems mostly to be related to the Indian market.

PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SEVENRINGS (AND MISTER KOLBIBRI):
* Mr. Peter Kimmel is identified as “Executive Chairman of the Board” in some reviews, but I’m not sure if he is involved in the illegal parts of the business. This guy simply seems to be to naive. Usually, a Chairman isn’t involved in the daily business, either.
Source (I will disable all links using [dot]):
**** articles.economictimes.indiatimes[dot]com/2008-10-01/news/28471214_1_soft-skills-aptech-job-aspirants
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* Mr. Antony is identified by some sources to be the owner of Sevenrings. I believe he may be the Italian guy I was unable to identify in the video “Seven Rings India 2008”, the second person called up on stage in the video (after Peter Kimmel & wife).
Source:
**** indianmlmblog.blogspot[dot]com/2008/11/sevenrings-international-review.html
Video (India 2008):
**** youtube[dot]com/watch?v=aDoK7IaXHQ0
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* Elia de Prisco is the President of Seven Rings International, and also President of Mister Colibri.
Video:
**** youtube[dot]com/watch?v=-x1_uuJlU9E&feature=related
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* Mr. Antonio Grasso is the last Italian person in the Management Team in Sevenrings, but he seems to be less important.
Source (from the article):
**** sevenrings[dot]net/pramoters.aspx
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* Manoj Kumar from India is the “foreign investor” that invested in Mister Colibri initially. He is also part of the Management Team in Sevenrings, and he was the CEO of Speak Asia. I believe Manoj Kumar is wanted by the police in India.
Source (from the article):
**** sevenrings[dot]net/pramoters.aspx
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* Gian Piero Di Cillio (Italian) seems to be the frontman of Mister Colibri.
Source: I believe Oz covered this in the article?
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ADDITIONAL INFO:
When Sevenrings launched in Italy in 2007 it was identified as a “2×3 revolving matrix” on some MoneyMaker-forums, meaning it was basically a pyramid scheme.
Source:
**** moneymakergroup[dot]com/lofiversion/index.php/t133923.html
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I have found a registered company in the UK named Sevenrings Limited, founded in 2002 and dissolved in 2010. It may be the same company. Source: Companies House.

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I have NOT found any other registered Sevenrings-companies in Europe, and I haven’t found any Mister Colibri as registered companies, either (in Europe).
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Other schemes run by this group of people:
* Our Free Phone, India 2007
* AdMatrix, India 2011

(from the comments here, but some of these sites have been modified in the last few weeks)
Websites similer to admatrix
* adgeeni.com
* thefrancead.com
* elegantbid.net
* ad2apple.com
* add-on-web.com

@Brazilian
Using the search method “site:mistercolibri.com” may reveal some interesting info …

1. One of the first hits is Viewcomments.aspx, some user comments.
* One of the top recruiters (or leaders) in Brazil seems to be Angeline Oliveira (?). I’m not sure of the name, since I used Google translate.

2. From page 4 in the search hits there’s mostly affiliates’ login pages. Affiliates must be at a different level than “normal users”, and there seems to be 120-130 affiliates here.

I won’t spend much time checking Mister Colibri’s website, since I don’t read Portuguese.

@Andy
It might be a “postbox office”, or “rent a fashionable business address”.

Many dubious companies use such solutions- They don’t have any physical office, but they rent a fashionable address as a mail address. The company that sell this service will re-address any mail to their real address.

Virtual Office is used for different reasons by some companies. I checked 46 different companies related to the same address in London (more than a year ago), and the virtual office covered different needs.

* some used it to cover their real address or identity (scams, dating services, gambling sites and different others).

* some used it to impress their clients or customers, having a fashionable address (investment companies and brokers, but I don’t know how many of them that was real or scam).

* People running a business from home. A fashionable address makes them feel more ‘important’ when they run their business.

Most of the businesses were internet based, selling some products or services on the internet.

Speak Asia doesn’t have any real business activity, and I don’t think Mister Colibri has some, either. They may have some needs for different ‘company meetings’ and similar needs, but they don’t actually need a physical office for their ‘daily use’.

Mumbai Crime Branch’s Economic Offences Wing (EOW) suspects that Kumar is behind a company called Mister Colibri, based in the South American country, which not only functions on the same model as SpeakAsia but also lists Manoj Kumar as its largest investor.

The companies, investigators say, are also linked through two other firms that were heavily involved in SpeakAsia’s operations, AdMatrix and Seven Rings International.

In July this year, the EOW had arrested SpeakAsia COO Tarak Bajpayee and three others following complaints from investors that they had been cheated by the company.

These investors had said that they’d been sold web subscriptions for Rs 11,000 each, and in return for filling survey forms for certain multi-national firms, had been promised annual payments of Rs 52,000. This money, they said, had not been paid.

On further investigation, EOW found that SpeakAsia was running a large investment fraud, to the tune of at least Rs 2,000 crore, and involved the illegal parking of money in several foreign countries such as Bangladesh, Holland and Italy.

There is already evidence of at least Rs 600 crore sent overseas. But the company’s chief executive, Manoj Kumar, a man in his mid-40s who lived in Mumbai, went into hiding and could not be nabbed.

After months of the trail running cold, in the first week of December the EOW received information that Brazilian company Mister Colibri (mistercolibri and colibrimakemoney) was fashioned on the same lines as SpeakAsia, and was using the same back-end Internet codes as AdMatrix, a company linked with SpeakAsia.

“This fact was first discovered by a multi-level marketing review site called BehindMLM, who got in touch with us,” an EOW officer said.

EOW says a perusal of the website revealed that Mister Colibri could be the clone of failed multi-level marketing company, AdMatrix, which had been launched in India in 2010 and shut down within a year with its owners, Ram Sumiran Pal and brother Satish Pal, disappearing.

Investigations had shown that SpeakAsia used AdMatrix (registered in Holland), and another company, Seven Rings International, to launder money abroad, and that several people on boards of all three companies were common.

When contacted, Additional CP (EOW) Rajvardhan told Mumbai Mirror: “We strongly suspect the SpeakAsia people have laundered money from India to Brazil to start this new venture.

We have already established links between AdMatrix, Seven Rings International and SpeakAsia. Mister Colibri is the new link now. We are also looking for Pal brothers.

This is a bigger scam than we initially thought it would be.”

I have to run as I’m busy today but very interesting to see how the EOW’s investigation is going.

1. I never got in contact with the EOW… so dunno where that came from, somebody in India has obviously passed on the website to the EOW themselves – probably a panelist not swallowing the Kool-Aid.

3. Great to see that the EOW are after the PAL brothers! Maybe Anju Bahirwani can show them where they are!

4. The article mentions the trail ran cold, I believe this is the money laundering trail – not the ‘Speak Asia is an investment fraud’ investigation. The EOW seem to have firmly established this and moved on to trying to track down the money laundering trail.

Ironically they do this so that there’s something to recover for panelists… yet we have AISPA and Speak Asia fighting them in court trying to prevent this investigation altogether.

The Crasto writ Anju Bahirwani so passionately supports is directly trying to stop the EOW investigating certain aspects of the greater case against Speak Asia.

(also a little dissapointed that MumbaiMirror linked to the Colibri sites but not me!)

The information didn’t come from me, either. I believed the EOW had a lot more information than this site, in most areas except internet. The police have better connections with banks and other authorities, but they can’t spend much time searching on the internet.

I partly tried to create some “action”, but this was only related to Mister Colibri and those guys from Italy.

I wanted them to create some fresh trails, by transferring large amounts of money in any direction, out of countries and into other countries, hopefully involving BVI as one of the countries (since there isn’t much information available from BVI). But, I guessed the police in India was ahead of us in those areas.

I usually don’t contact anyone, because I know information will be found by someone more interested than me, as long as it is available.

Hope GOOD ( G-ONE ) wins over EVIL ( RA-ONE ). But people must learn from this.

I strongly feel that these kinda schemes are made for people who very greedy and impotent who want extra money but do not want to work. But they should understand that thers no free lunch on this earth.

And if they do not fall for these schemes because of their greed, thn these kinda companies wld never flourish. ( AB PACHTAYE KAYA HOT HAI JAB CHIDIYA CHUN GAYI KHET means DERS NO POINT IN REPENTING LATER )

People must learn from der mistakes and stop falling for these kinda schemes, in fact they sld always opt for an honest living. OnLY thn the porpose of this site if fulfilled other wise its a waste of such a wonderful effort by OZ.

“I strongly feel that these kinda schemes are made for people who very greedy and impotent who want extra money but do not want to work.”

My upline was able to get my Director into accepting that the surveys were for genuine companies like ICICI Bank, Airtel, Bata, Nestle and ING Vyasya Bank, etc. We were suckered. Genuinely suckered! It was not easy money but hard earned money!

It was very hard work to fill the surveys in March / April as the server was down owing to over success in inducing suckers to invest.

I stayed awake whole nights to fill some surveys. Or else I would have recovered most of the investment by the time the shit hit the fan on 11.05.2011!

I got Speak Asia to initially pay Rs 540 million as service tax to the Government as they HAD TO ISSUE ME GENUINE INVOICES. They paid more taxes later. It was not easy!

After the exposure on 11.05.2011 I waited to see what happens next. When I saw that bed time stories were being told I filed the complaint with the Economic Offenses Wing of Mumbai Police. The rest of the work was done by the Police and the Courts. Full credit to them!

Please, please do not lump me with Madame ANJU! She may not like it!

Cheers again! And wishing you a merry Christmas and a very, very happy New Year!

That’s what I told Andy, also I mentioned in my earlier posts that Oz., is very close with EOW team & the news whatever he was giving regularly suppose to be the first news in Internet (e.g., the venue of Lahoti Committee meeting in Delhi, the reason for which High Court is rejecting the bail for Melyvn & Ashish) which would have collected only from the sources of EOW.

So, he is working with EOW now to trap Speak Asia totally in all ways. Well Done Oz., Longlive Oz for exposing the biggest scam in Indian MLM history. Help EOW with one of your greatest work Oz.,

@ Navniit Kkhosla,
Have you been to any court recently? what is the position of your case? Hope the judge is giving full support for your case..!

Oz
Add a link to this article as a part of a normal comment, in the comment field in Mumbai Mirror?

(also a little dissapointed that MumbaiMirror linked to the Colibri sites but not me!)

The main objective with a comment should be similar to the basic ideas of this blog, to deliver information rather than trying to “sell” your own website to an audience. People will usually detect the difference.

A few statements like these, maybe?
“The original source can be found here.” (link to article)
“The information provided on BehindMLM is only meant to be a part of your own research.”
“We don’t do any professional investigation.”

In MLM and related business models, most people tries to “push” their own interests onto each and everyone, rather than let people decide by themselves if they’re interested.

I’ll guess some of the readers of Mumbai Mirror may be interested in the original source. Some of them as possible contributors, some of them doing their own research into the reliability of this site.

@Nithya Ritesh
The main objective of this blog is to deliver unbiased reviews of MLM companies, and related topics. I don’t think Oz wants to turn it into an anti-scam blog. Anti-scam sites are usually dominated by an audience that are too biased, and this often makes these sites more boring than useful.

The articles related to Speak Asia are mostly “follow ups” of a company already reviewed. He also collects a lot of experience by doing these follow ups.

I haven’t studied the sources he has used in relation to Speak Asia, but a lot of information is available through official Government websites. Usually we don’t need any ‘special agreements’ with Government agencies to collect information, and they don’t offer such agreements, either.

As an example, some information related to Wealth Masters International in Norway was collected from the Government’s official database, the “Public Electronic Mailjournal”. They only requests an email address, where to send the information. They don’t need to know your name, and you don’t need any ‘special agreements’, either.

Congrats! Bro Chang, you did it,
It seems at this time Pyramid system of TVI Express Scam finished at Indonesia speedily & Hitler Tarun Trikha so called CEO-India & Rahul khurana Indian NRI of Cyprus will be in prison shortly.

I’ve always tried to present anything here that’s not my opinion backed by something – which is always as you note verifiable by a third party.

Meanwhile you have the anus and Sanjeevs who come here and just sprout out whatever fits the ‘Speak Asia are not a pyramid scheme’ narrative at any given time with nothing but, as Sanjeev puts it, ‘blind faith’.

Anju claims to have this and that but to date never provides tangible proof of any of her claims. In the face of documented mounting evidence disspelling the cheerleader’s lies and misdirection, it’s increasingly difficult to take any of them seriously.

@Nithya

hope you are not that Deeptiman Tiwary?

Nope. I’ve never even spoken to anyone at the Mumbai Mirror.

also I mentioned in my earlier posts that Oz., is very close with EOW team & the news

I get my information from a variety of sources but to date, as far as I know, I’ve never been in contact with the news or any media organisation regarding Speak Asia.

People working for these agencies might have forwarded various bits of information that I’ve used in my analysis and formed opinions on, but they have never done so in any official capacity. Anybody is able to contact me via the contact form with relative anonyminity.

@M_Norway

I had a look and noted the Mumbai Mirror hadn’t published any comments on the article thus far. I’m guessing they don’t have time to entertain the mountain of nonsense the cheerleaders usually spout out whenever anyone publicly criticises Speak Asia.

I’ll leave a comment directing readers to the original but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not published.

Boogie Man: I strongly feel that these kinda schemes are made for people who very greedy and impotent who want extra money but do not want to work. But they should understand that thers no free lunch on this earth.

As of 25th December, 2011 Lilian Oliveira has pulled her blog ‘ColibriMakeMoney’ and it’s offline. The Facebook group and Google Plus page associated with the site have also been removed.

No doubt Speak Asia’s CEO Manoj Kumar was furious at being further exposed as a scamster in India’s national media and ordered her to remove the site altogether.

Here’s some info gleaned from the now defunct Facebook page (Google Chrome auto-translated):

Colibri Make Money: The Mister Colibri is a platform for online ad and brings an innovative idea to make money online.

This allows ordinary people to participate actively in the advertising industry, and offers users the opportunity to make money selling ads. These, in turn, are published in the stations included in the portfolio of the affiliate, called ADSTATION.

In di sso, Incentives for nominations and awards will also be paid to build a community of people who watch ads, referring new affiliates to also obtain good yields.

THE COMPANY IS LEGAL? Absolutely, yes. The company is CNPJ 07.719.264/0001-49 and all who wish can check this on the IRS web site.

The Mister Hummingbird has the web address: mistercolibri.com. It is represented by OMNIA SERVICES LTD ADVERTISING AND REPRESENTATIONS and registered as a company collects all taxes required in the form of tax laws in the country and has six years of market, ie, was not created yesterday.

But in the coming weeks CNPJ Mister Hummingbird will also be in place and the site will undergo significant changes.

The President of the company is Mr.. Elia of Frisco, one of the finest trainers in the business of business leaders in Europe and Asia. In Brazil, the company is represented by Gian Piero Di Cillo, Commercial Director, based in Fortaleza – CE, the city where the OMNIA is based.

@ajex

Who’s Kunal Pathak?

edit: Oh, he appears to be one of Kumar’s buddies over at Seven Rings… and apparently back in September he was briefly blamed for Speak Asia coming under the regulator spotlight.

I’m thinking if the EOW are pursuing this, then it’s pretty much guaranteed they believe Speak Asia panelist money has been invested into Mister Colibiri.

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. Kumar was listed as an investor of Mister Colibri, so where did he get the investment money from?

He’s only been involved with one major company over the past year and a half… Speak Asia.

Speak Asia’s senior panelists response to all this?

Dear Speak Asians,

We must understand that whatever negative reports coming in the print media (including the one which has appeared in Bombay Mirror today that is 24th of Dec.) are the results of the malicious campaign being conducted by our enemies who do not want that business should restart & are the absolute violation of the ongoing mediation process conducted by Honourable Supreme court of India.

Hilarious… because the mediation process is reportedly finished and has nothing to do with money laundering or the restart of business operations.

It’s a simple court ordered moderated dialogue to explore the possibility of an amicable solution of payment of funds Speak Asia owes its panelists.

I would appeal to each one of you to show patience in your manner, dignity in your conduct & confidence in your posture,in near future VICTORY is going to be ours & that is for sure………

What’s your problem man. If it is a Ponzi it would be declared so by the court. When the matter is subjudice, these tricks of using Media to substantiate false claims is nothing but a process to delay the things further. If you can’t understand this simple thing, at least don’t make hilarious comments.

If you are so concerned about the people affected by MLM why don’t you provide a solution to how can they recover the lost money. We are doing our best to recover money in a manner which we seem possible but looking at the recent Media reports and your concentrated efforts to just bad mouth all our efforts only indicate one path!!! 🙁

If you are unbiased then please let us know what are the other ways to recover our money. Why should we not give a best try to get this … Whenever we think we are closing on the final steps of decision, a panic news is created by the media. If BMLM is such a good service which should get global recognition, then you will have to step into the shoes of the victims and think from their point of view also.

Criticism is a very easy thing , try to encourage the efforts of others. But for that you have to have guts and you people don’t appear to have. If you have seriously gone through all my posts and powers page, you would have noticed that all our efforts are in to keep our hopes alive to recover our money. We have never supported that SPEAKASIA’s operations were ponzi or not, what we have been supporting is the efforts which are being done to recover the money.

Now please let me know where we are supposed to go other than courts and keeping our self united?

@sanjeev khanna,
soapbox motivation for his relentless work is simple. MLM is a fraud and all those people who involve in it deserve to lose their money because they are foolish. He has no feelings to help the people actually. Your suggestions that soapbox use the forum for prevention of such situation or get proper legislation will fall on deaf ears. See how he will respond to this in his sarcastic way.

To all the people out there who joins *easy earning* schemes like speakasia, admatrix, TVI express … etc.

# When you join such scheme you register providing the information about you. Which may contain (1) your name, (2) address, (3) phone number, (4) email address, (5) date of birth, (6) PAN and (7) bank account information. Suppose the scheme you have joined turns out to be a scam. You people have no idea what the scammers can do to your bank account having all the information. If you are not sure about the company never give above listed information. My advice is never to share this information with anyone.

# By sharing your contact information you are inviting other scam at your doorstep. Known as the Nigerian scam. You can find more information here on Wikipedia Nigerian scam.

Can you explain me what is panels? You people always tell that 11000 is for subscription for e-zine. Then why someone wants to buy panels? Many people have bought more than 3 main panels. What about 1+9 subpanels? (I have linked related links from speakasia and bizbasket on this blog, so I am not going to post it again. Please go through the link posted before you answer. Don’t bother to answer without proof)

Sanjeev Khanna:
What’s your problem man. If it is a Ponzi it would be declared so by the court.

Whether it’s a Ponzi Scheme or not is rather obvious. What the court decides is whether LAWS ARE BROKEN and what the punishment is.

When the matter is subjudice, these tricks of using Media to substantiate false claims is nothing but a process to delay the things further.

Which claims are false? Care to name one? Or is this just a blanket condemnation of the media, creating “us vs. them” attitude without solving anything?

If you can’t understand this simple thing, at least don’t make hilarious comments.

it’s only hilarious to people who refuse to see reality.

If you are so concerned about the people affected by MLM why don’t you provide a solution to how can they recover the lost money.

You didn’t like the reasonable option: help government shut down SpeakAsia, seize all its assets AND chase down assets that left India, THEN it’ll be refunded.

Instead, you want to fight the CID, EOW, and the rest of the government agencies investigating the largest fraud to hit India in recent year.

your concentrated efforts to just bad mouth all our efforts only indicate one path!!!

Your efforts are basically “burying head in sand, pretend nothing bad is happening”. It’s not helping.

Ever watch the Simpsons? Ever seen the episode where Bart Simpson put a giant cooking pot over his head and is beating on it with a stick so he’s completely deaf and thus cannot hear his mother lecturing him? That is what you’re doing. “Na-na-na-na-na-na, I can’t hear you!”

If you are unbiased then please let us know what are the other ways to recover our money.

Already explained several times: HELP the government is the other way. You are ignoring it, and it’s obvious to me that agents among you are working AGAINST YOU (and I don’t mean Oz) by inciting you to continue to FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT.

all our efforts are in to keep our hopes alive to recover our money. We have never supported that SPEAKASIA’s operations were ponzi or not, what we have been supporting is the efforts which are being done to recover the money.

By denying reports of EOW and other investigations showing SAOL is a Ponzi scheme? You call that “supporting”? EOW’s job is to chase down economic offenders, and chase down the money. Let them do their job.

Now please let me know where we are supposed to go other than courts and keeping our self united?

The problem is not that you are united. The problem is you’re united AND being lead like SHEEP by “leaders” whose true motivations are not known, and they are leading you to deny investigation results (partial as they may be) and bad mouth government agencies, and impede investigations through lawsuits and whatnot.

You are being turned into a cult that worships SpeakAsia and its leaders, to DENY REALITY.

You want my personal opinion on this? Re-register the panelists, lists who were recruited by whom, develope the “tree”, so one can track down the real “apex panelists” who started the thing rolling. THAT is what will help EOW chase down who started this sordid mess, so THEIR assets can be seized as compensation.

Again, you won’t get all the money back, not with several hundred crores already left India. And you certain won’t get the reward points redeemed. Every day this drags on is every day Phoenix Legal takes money that could be paying you all.

There is no restriction for anyone to start companies gobally
aur kisne kaha ki speakasia ne fraud ki hai, did the panelist say that comp has cheated them rather its the media,competitors and some sick persons who doesn’t see growth of a common man, did the company say to supreme court and rbi that tey cannot pay the panelist even they have submitted Affidavit to RBI that they want to pay to the panelists.
Remember network marketing is the largest industry in the entire world, if it will get banned then just imagine what will be its consequences.

There is when this same person chose NOT to return to India to face inquiry, leaving his wife and child to face the EOW.

did the panelist say that comp has cheated them rather its the media,competitors and some sick persons who doesn’t see growth of a common man,

Who did you think Jemes and Khosla are? They filed FIR and lawsuits against SpeakAsia to recover their money. They are panelists too. Of course, they are regarded as “sick persons” by the ardent followers of SpeakAsia cult.

did the company say to supreme court and rbi that tey cannot pay the panelist even they have submitted Affidavit to RBI that they want to pay to the panelists.

So put the money in a trust, setup a trustee, and pay, if they are serious. Clearly, they are not. They want to pay AND be declared innocent, and that won’t happen.

Remember network marketing is the largest industry in the entire world, if it will get banned then just imagine what will be its consequences.

SAOL itself have repeated claimed they are NOT network marketing. Yet they never quite know what they are.

ajex:
keep on shouting against speak asia very soon its gng to return, and on that day u will see, just w8 n watch,

Another statement NOT corroborated by any real information: blind faith.

read the company policies properly andy and speak asia has no connection wid admatrix,colibri seems alike admatrix but not speakasia first u check and then comment.

You are ignoring facts. Admatrix was in the SAME BUILDING as SAOL, and Sumiram Pal and his brother who seem to be head of AdMatrix are known Apex Panelists. This was from newspaper reports AND EOW statements.

Furthermore, SpeakAsia have repeatedly lied before, such as claiming to have done surveys for ICICI and Tata and so on. Thus, you are a fool to trust what they say, when evidence points elsewhere.

not james its Navneet khosla wo file the fir and chang u wantto know who is navneet khosla then read this article

*sigh* another character assassination attempt without facts to backup the claims. Furthermore, who he is does not change the fact that 1) he is a panelist and 2) he did sue SpeakAsia.

@Sanjeev Khanna
I understand partly how you feel, related to the issue of recovering money for the panelists. I believe most people here share this interest, that the money belongs to the panelists, and that there is a need for solutions.

The biggest difference isn’t the interest itself, but what we believe in and which methods we try to use. Most of us simply don’t believe in the company’s willingness to pay. I have seen similar situations before, where companies deliver a lot of promises and false hopes. Some people even had collected a lot of the best promises in a forumthread i visited a year ago, the strategies different companies had used earlier to delay negative reactions from members.

There have been done a lot of attempts to analyze the situation here, but without any conclusion.
* Some of us have analyzed how much money the company may have, and how much they owe. They owe a lot more money in RP than they have.
* We have also tried to identify the topic “Public Interest”, like if money is seizable as tax and fines or if they belong to the panelists (without any conclusion).
* I have also partly tried to identify if the money becomes more or less seizable as tax and fines under certain circumstances.

Why these analyzis never reach any conclusions are because we don’t have the knowledge needed, and it will eventually be the decision of the Supreme Court, anyway.

The work done are spread around in different threads, early December. There IS actually done a lot of thinking here to protect the interests of the panelists.

I don’t have a problem. Unfortunatley with ponzi schemes the money is rarely recoverd, less so when the company has siphoned it off overseas to invest it elsewhere.

Your best bet isn’t civil court action instigated by senior panelists to stall the authorities investigation, it’s to let the authorities get on with the job of recovering what they can from Speak Asia and hopefully bringing the operators to justice.

No easy task seeing as they appear to have all fled overseas.

This is not new and has been suggested to panelists for months on here. You lot just continue to ignore the advice and place your misguided trust in a ponzi scheme and its senior mangagement.

Criticism is a very easy thing , try to encourage the efforts of others. But for that you have to have guts and you people don’t appear to have.

Actually it’s quite time intensive and challenging at times. Especially when you have to enter into discussions with people who refuse to acknowledge hard evidence and run around with their hands in their ears screaming ‘you are all liars, we have blind faith!’

I refuse to encourage the efforts of people whose sole motive appears to be to stall the criminal investigation into the company. They tell you it’s to recover money but the motive is clear.

Take for example the Crasto writ AISPA tried to file. You have anju on here claiming it’s for all panelists.

…seriously, wtf does Crasto’s arrest by the EOW as an operator of Speak Asia taking kickbacks have to do with all panelists?! If anything they should be outraged he and AISPA were lying to them!

As Kasey points out, the courts are only there to establish whether laws have been broken and dole out appropriate punishments.

Whether Speak Asia is a ponzi scheme or not isn’t even a question any more, the business model they used (not the fake product one they didn’t), guarantees that it is.

@ajex

There is no restriction for anyone to start companies gobally

No there isn’t, but you have to pretty retarded to not get that the operator of one scam (Speak Asia) is using the money they made from that to fund another (Mister Colibri).

The hilarity is the stance: ‘What does Brazil have to do with us?’ when it’s your money that was used to bankroll the Brazil scam.

did the company say to supreme court and rbi that tey cannot pay the panelist even they have submitted Affidavit to RBI that they want to pay to the panelists.

And who exactly is available to take the fall if that affadavit is just lies? Who are the courts going to charge if the affadavit is bullshit? Kumar, Kaur, Bajpai??? Nobody turns up to Speak Asia’s court cases except their lawyers (paid with panelist money)…

Speak Asia’s affadavits might as well be printed on toilet paper, there’s no accountability whilst management continue to hide overseas.

Remember network marketing is the largest industry in the entire world, if it will get banned then just imagine what will be its consequences.

Network marketing doesn’t have to get banned, just ponzi schemes like Speak Asia who use network marketing models to deploy recruitment driven pyramid schemes.

Comments about Kkhosla were removed as without an iota of evidence presented to date, it appears to be a smear campaign by Speak Asia and its Senior Panelists. Tactics like that might convince people in the backwater villages of India, but not here.

ur one person @Oz who just blame the companies and always comes on to a quick conclusion that a comp is a ponzi scheme, so m leaving now from here coz no further comments from my side, also m gng to share one news for my speak asian brothers who visit this forum.

RBI has come with a positive circular given to all banks about the payment given by SAOL to its panelist account in India.The Circular available by tuesday on official website of RBI.

This circular is the instruction to banks that they can allow TT(Telegraphic Transfer) given by SAOL from outside India to remit the amount into Indian bank account of the panelist.

The Ministry of Corporate Affairs (MCA) and Reserve Bank of India (RBI) are working closely to frame rules for all MLM companies in India. As per sources there will be strict norms for MLM companies and all MLM companies who are operating in India will have to get their firm register with the government.

ur one person @Oz who just blame the companies and always comes on to a quick conclusion that a comp is a ponzi scheme

What companies are you talking about?

And the ones that are ponzi schemes are solely ponzi schemes because of their business models.

Tell me, who else other than the company using it is responsible for the company’s business model?

RBI has come with a positive circular given to all banks about the payment given by SAOL to its panelist account in India.The Circular available by tuesday on official website of RBI.

First it was Monday the 26th, now you’re saying Tuesday.

Given that the RBI have already stated they can’t investigate Speak Asia, and seem to have handed over their information to the ED and IT depts, which announced their investigations found Speak Asia were guilty of tax fraud and money laundering, I highly doubt the existance of any such circular.

And if it doesn exist, again strongly doubt it contains what you suggest it does. Please provide a source of your information or are you just copying and pasting bullshit Facebook updates?

This circular is the instruction to banks that they can allow TT(Telegraphic Transfer) given by SAOL from outside India to remit the amount into Indian bank account of the panelist.

The origianal circular never advised the banks that they couldn’t allow TT’s by Speak Asia… so why do they need to now allow it?

And who is guaranteeing the criminal liabiliy of such transfers?

Furthermore, the RBI circular is not what is prohibiting the banks from blockading all Speak Asia’s attempts to transfer money within Speak Asia.

The RBI have stated so themselves in that the circular never directed any bank to refuse to allow transfers from Speak Asia. It is believed the circular merely highlighted the liability of facilitating financial transactions of a company suspected of criminal activity.

Given the evidence mounting up and accusations of criminal activity from multiple departments, this environment hasn’t changed. Thus, the banks will continue to refuse to do business with Speak Asia until these matters are concluded.

Prolonging the conclusion of these matters is the court action launched by Speak Asia’s senior panelists… claiming to be as such when they are infact officials being paid under the table by Speak Asia (Melvin Crasto/Asish Dandekar).

As told earlier there is something more than what is visible to the eye. But we are just going around in circles. The only notable reply to my comment came from OZ and M_Norway. rest all are just to be trashed.

Let me emphasise one thing, if affidavits are written on toilet papers as written by OZ, please note that you challenging to honour of the highest court of India. This comment of yours may kindly be deleted. We are in a debate and this will continue until courts decide.

Whatever money was to be lost has already been lost and we are just trying to recover the money if possible. And if comes through the Business Restart as is being prayed by Solomon James in his petition that will be a much better option than waiting for the government to sieze the assets and then distribute the money.

Because distribution of money by the Govt.agencies will take so much time that the value of money will be lost.

we have informed the court that a case has been registered against the company and that they have duped lakhs of people

Yet people still think the EOW sang the praises of Speak Asia at the Lahoti Committee and in the Crasto/Dandekar bail hearings.

Speak Asia’s affadavit lies have and will be exposed in due time when the EOW finally lodge charges in court.

Whatever money was to be lost has already been lost and we are just trying to recover the money if possible.

Then your goals and the EOW are the same. Head down to your nearest EOW station and tell them everything that you know and encourage others to do the same.

The only people who won’t do this and will discourage it are those who’s divulging of what they know will incriminate them (the Dandekars, Crastos and Bahirwanis etc.).

And if comes through the Business Restart

Not a hope in hell the way the EOW’s investigation is going and on what they’ve uncovered.

Because distribution of money by the Govt.agencies will take so much time that the value of money will be lost.

The major reason it’s taking so long is because those involved, Speak Asia’s management, are hiding overseas and at a local level you have management pretending to be panelists lodging and signing their names to writ petiitions to stop EOW et al from investigating the company and tracing Speak Asia’s laundered money and assets.

person chose NOT to return to India to face inquiry, leaving his wife and child to face the EOW.-chang

your childish adamant stance that the only way manoj and haren can prove their honesty is to walk into the arms of the eow and be put behind bars, while the eow go to the press and start a slander war ,while the matter is subjudice, is immature and no lawyer worth his salt will advice his client to make such a mistake.

no ,manoj and haren are sitting at a safe distance and fighting back the eow which is not out to prove that saol is illegal but are just trying to shut it down .

and your fake tears for manoj’s family are unrequired don’t poke your nose in people’s family business when you know nothing.

if the eow was playing fair they would first go to court and PROVE that saol is ponzi and everything would automatically fall apart.it is very obvious they just want the whole movement by the panelists to fall apart and the company to disappear so there is NO need to prove anything in court.

And who exactly is available to take the fall if that affadavit is just lies? -chang

on what basis are you saying the affidavit is lies.you cant just write anything that comes to your mind and try to push it as the truth.what nonsense.

what about jemes writ-chang

hello, WHAT about it? the 115 panelists of saol in the supreme court are supporting the company .they want the company to pay and they want the company to restart.

the eow now wants to check the credibility of these 115 panelists [attack and arrest ]

the message here is simple-citizens of india give up your democratic rights.WE ARE THE POLICE.we are warning you not to fight for this company .if you do, we will bundle up your asses and throw you in jail. do not file writs against us or in favor of the company .how dare you ,you scum citizens.we are the police and we rule over you.

our grand dad’s dint go to jail for independence to see their grandchildren cow down before the vengeant rampage of the state police.

we are not breaking any law. we are fighting in court, why doesn’t the eow fight us in court instead of arresting us and threatening us to take back our cases or else.

is this a fucking POLICE STATE is this some bloody GUNDARAJ?

the BIG QUESTION is why is this blog suddenly becoming the voice of the eow?

please go to the eow why are you going to the courts ? it is better for you to support the eow.so on and so forth.

nobody is ever going to get any money from the eow .

the eow will not help the company restart

the police are corrupt and out to attack us ,we can never trust them

the judiciary LISTENS and can be trusted to make a fair decision on all matters

it our bloody friggin choice whether we want the judiciary or the police to solve our problem.

take a random vote across the country and everybody will make the same choice with the exception of one person.

even that person will get his money because of OUR movement and not his.

some people choose violent regressive ways [attack and arrest everybody] to solve a problem, and some people choose the peaceful path of going to the court and pleading with it to make a FAIR decision.

aispa .

115 panelists in supreme court.

numerous support speakasia sites in english hindi and many regional languages.

23000 emails supporting saol and aispa.

30000 hand written signatures collected from across the country supporting saol.

saol lawyers convinced it is not a ponzi scheme

aispa lawyers convinced it is not a ponzi scheme

supreme court lawyers convinced it is not a ponzi scheme

against ONE fir and ONE eow whose intent is suspect

EVERYBODY is not lying just YOU are and your intent too is now suspect.

the judiciary LISTENS and can be trusted to make a fair decision on all matters

Well except the matter of criminal charges, which hasn’t gone before the court yet because the EOW are still investigating.

it our bloody friggin choice whether we want the judiciary or the police to solve our problem.

The police are not trying to solve ‘your problem’. They are investigating the company for fraud and looking to press charges.

If they manage to recover funds from Speak Asia’s money laundering efforts, then so be it they are distributed amongst those that invested.

The EOW’s top priority is and always will be the criminal side to this matter, something you have no say in. Please don’t confuse panelist’s court action with the criminal investigations, the latter is much more pressing and will always be given precedent over the former – as we have witnessed time and time again with the adjourning of cases not even being heard.

Nobody cares about AISPA, emails and what not – it really has nothing to do with bringing to justice the operators of the largest ponzi scheme India has ever seen, bringing management to India for a criminal trial nor the attempts at recovering money Speak Asia has laundered into Brazil and elsewhere.

The EOW and other agency’s criminal investigations are above AISPA, Speak Asia and it’s management pretending to be panelists and any court action they might instigate.

Footnote: I’m not interested in dicussing alternate realities of Speak Asia’s panelists any further. Conversation on what is actually happening is welcome – hypothetical realities and claims unsupported by any proof will be nuked.

The gaping chasm between the EOW’s investigative reality and Anju’s fantasies is so vast that it’s not even worth entertaining anymore. It’s unfortunately progressed well beyond the point of sad.

Whatever you provide is a fact and whatever me or Anju provides is a horseshit, Fantasy and nothing else.

Blind faith is not proof and expecting people to take you seriously is ridiculous. Leave your alternate realities on Facebook, where yourself and the other Senior Panelists continue to censor discussion on what is actually happening.

@anju

And where do you think this money came from…?

Panelists are supporting Supreme Court action led by lying employees of Speak Asia to recover their money, when the same employees have already used said money to purchase real estate and luxury cars.

Do you actually care about recovering panelist’s money or are you just here to protect the greater interests your father?

ajex:
ur one person @Oz who just blame the companies and always comes on to a quick conclusion that a comp is a ponzi scheme

False allegation, already caught you once at this lie, but you apparently didn’t get the memo. There are several companies that did not get rated as ponzi scheme here on BehindMLM. You simply didn’t bother looking them up. Which, again, made rest of your points bogus.

, so m leaving now from here coz no further comments from my side

That’s because you have no points backing your unsupported opinion. Opinions are like ***holes. Everyone’s got one. Back up your opinion with something or go home.

, also m gng to share one news for my speak asian brothers who visit this forum. RBI has come with a positive circular given to all banks about the payment given by SAOL to its panelist account in India.The Circular available by tuesday on official website of RBI. This circular is the instruction to banks that they can allow TT(Telegraphic Transfer) given by SAOL from outside India to remit the amount into Indian bank account of the panelist.

Doesn’t mean anything, really. It means it is allowing SAOL money to RETURN to India… if EOW can get any of the Singaporean banks and other banks to freeze SAOL assets and return them to India. It doesn’t mean that SAOL had been cleared of ANYTHING.

The Ministry of Corporate Affairs (MCA) and Reserve Bank of India (RBI) are working closely to frame rules for all MLM companies in India. As per sources there will be strict norms for MLM companies and all MLM companies who are operating in India will have to get their firm register with the government.

All companies are REQUIRED to be registered under the Companies Act already. Anyone who didn’t is ALREADY in violation of the law. This “framing” is a reaction when various agencies found there really aren’t many laws that applies to SpeakAsia earlier this year, lest you forgot the news.

So all these “news” you claimed to have are not supporting SpeakAsia at all, even assuming they are true (and they may not be, as it cannot corroborated at this time).

Sanjeev Khanna:
Whatever you provide is a fact and whatever me or Anju provides is a horseshit, Fantasy and nothing else. Please keep sleeping in this sweet notion of yours and see how our blind faith fructifies.

Why is it HIS problem when it is you and Anju that provide unverifiable items or facts that doesn’t mean what you claimed they mean?

Oz is citing EOW statements as quoted by Indian newspapers. Who are you citing? Why should we believe him/her/it/whatever? Why should we NOT believe EOW and your newspapers?

Don’t blame others for your lack of solid position when you don’t actually have any. It was built on a facade, and this is not the Matrix, and you’re not Neo. You can’t say “there is no spoon” and make it all go away.

anju agarwal:
and o they picked up two mercedes cars.what a sacrilege.
you cant walk on the roads of mumbai anymore because they are overcrowdedwith mercedes cars .
should the management live in a tent and cycle to office?
how silly.

How silly they didn’t buy Indian, yet continues to live in Mumbai. No love for Tata motors, eh? Didn’t they buy Jaguar? But no, had to buy GERMAN.

Yes, how silly indeed. Indian fleecing Indians so they can buy GERMAN luxury cars.

Yes, how silly indeed. Indian fleecing Indians so they can buy GERMAN luxury cars.-chang

what a silly point. if our govt has no problem with people buying german or japanese cars who are you to question the rights of indians. we’ll buy whatever we want.

and soapbox needn’t worry about what the company did or dint do with panelist money . he himself says he’s not interested in panelist money and only in the FACT that saol is ponzi.let him stick to that and not worry about our money.the supreme court will take care of our money. who is he ?

and the 115 panelists in the supreme court, none of them are new joinees like bahirwani.i’m sure they’re accounts will show them receiving funds from saol upto may.so the eow will scratch it’s head in front of the lower court magistrates and once again wonder aloud WHY saol was paying them and voila they all get one month in jail.enjoy!

@Sanjeev Khanna:
I have some other explanation why we see things different.

The biggest difference isn’t the interest itself, but what we believe in and which methods we try to use. Most of us simply don’t believe in the company’s willingness to pay.

The ideas from the company leaders are aimed towards members of Speak Asia, not towards us. They simply cannot convince us that the company will restart.

The “motivational speeches” obviously seems to work when they are directed towards the panelists, but they don’t work as well on this blog. They’ll have to make their statements more believable for this specific target if they want to be believed. They can’t blame us for not believing in them.

All these “speeches” contains that the company will rise again, and all members will be paid in full. This is what the members wants to believe in, but I don’t see this as realistic.

If this company had been a real company it would have been bankrupted long time ago, within it’s first 3 months of operation. They owe many times the amount they have had in revenue, and this simply doesn’t work in a real business.

I have also noticed some specific “delaying tactics” now and then, like creating hopes for some future events that will fix all problems. Using a lot of such strategies usually means they’re not going to pay voluntarily, they’re only trying to delay something from happening.

There is simply too much distance between what the company will be able to do, and what the panelists wants it to do, like being able to restart and pay all panelists in full.

You can’t expect us to believe in what other people wants to believe in. We will not support false hopes, but we may support realistic solutions.

Watched the video. Comments are disabled. Seems he is not interested in communicating with panelists.

Besides, I didn’t believe whatever he said. I do believe him when he says that he doesn’t have a bank account in Singapore. Money doesn’t have to be transferred to his account. It could be anybody’s account.

Mr Manoj Kumar, I am pretty sure you are now visiting this blog and reading comments. If you are reading mine, then let me tell you this: Why are you hell-bent in trying to pay panelists through bank?

I am sure you have heard of AlertPay, Liberty Reserve, Solid Trust Pay or even Western Union. If you really want to pay or return panelists money, you can do so using these ecurrencies and Western Union BUT I doubt you will do that.

Now don’t tell me that SAO’s server is with EOW. I am sure you have a backup.

The Superintendant of Finance established that some people are promoting a business model under the name ‘Mr. Hummingbird ‘, which has characteristics of a typical pyramid model, the extent to which forms a linkage system of people who pay to join and get more profits by linking people to the group , “explains the regulator’s warning.

” It is worth noting that this business is promoted via the Internet, with no known address in the Colombian territory or person responsible for the operation in the country, “he adds.

Sounds awfully familiar…

Love the exact same style cheerleader comments on the article too ‘we don’t care if it’s a ponzi scheme, how dare you investigate our income!

It’s almost as if Seven Rings hand out scripts on how to respond to media articles that call out the scam.

Respected Sir, They show people greed money and promis them to give double money with high returns. People invest money because these people tell them investment plan’s which never get successful.

These company cheat people by telling them that they will get more returns money instead of their small investors will and also motivate peple telling you will get Laptops, cars, LCD, Banglows etc. This kind of fraud company’s get more money from investors and after some months of time this people cheat the investors and run away.

On this fraud company’s immediate legal action should be taken. By taking action people whp invested money will be chated by from companies and their money will save in crores. If you didn’t stop this, therefore investrors will lost their money and our government economy will also suffer.

Welfair association wants to show you how the MD of the companiesrun the illegal business. Among this some MD’s they don’t come in front. They run their business staying at back and giving name of other person.

Invesors and governments is also cheated in big ways. This kind of companies are run on company pan cards, ROC and taking software. This don’t have any valuation investment company based in every place is operated without any proper permission from any government body or RBI.

This is also done by illegal steps. Because of this our India economy is getting damaged A.I.W.A. appeal you mto take legal action against these fraue companies anf their MD’S. I hope you will do kindly needful to all of us.

Gentlemen, I am Brazilian and I am following the conversation you through a Google translation is not very good. The translation loses a little sense. But I understand the conversation.

I am Mister Family AdStation the Colibri in Brazil. The company is doing one year of operations in my country and so far there has been no fraud. All members are recovering their investments and earn profits.

Here it was reported that the founders were Mr Elia of Priscus and Mr Manoj Kumar.

Mr. Prisco is another friend of Mr Gian Piero Di Cillo residing in Fortaleza / CE and is married to a Brazilian. It was through Mr. Cillo that the company Mr Hummingbird came to Brazil.

Today there are over 60,000 members and as I said, nobody here was wrong, at least until now.

I was concerned at reports coming from India, the processes and the coincidence between the companies and Mr AdMatrix Colibri. I even checked on our site and really shows some mentions of the company AdMatrix the source code of the site.

My concerns have increased the end of this year when the site undergoes maintenance for several weeks, not being able to watch the ads and therefore it is not possible to make money.
The management claimed that the servers are changing to meet the growing demand of users (60,000 +) but this suspension coincided with problems in India.

I also noticed that buildup are no longer referring to Mr Manoj Kumar. Even in apresentções powerpoint no longer appears his name!

We will remain attentive to news of our Indian friends.

I take this opportunity to tell the fellow Indians who are making allegations critical of this forum to look for the Indian authorities and that the Indian authorities for further investigation to be made in respect of those involved, because they come into a forum like this and be making only criticism without providing real evidence, makes us the victims, we will not believe such allegations, since no facts were presented based on evidence and make reasonable charges is a very serious thing, I think anywhere in the world.

I noticed the charges and allegations which were not mentioned the numbers of criminal cases that involved have been indicted so we can verify with the competent organs.

Technically Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is kinda like Spanish. I do read Spanish, so I get the meaning in most of the comment without using a translator. 🙂 Google munges the order of the subject / adjective / verb a little when it comes to those Latin languages, but it’s still tolerable.

@Paulo Cesar
We don’t have any “proofs” or “evidence”, other than what is already posted here.

We have shown a connection between Seven Rings International and Mister Colibri, and this is the “main proof”. Manoj Kumar and Elia de Prisco have been active in both companies. Manoj Kumar has also been active in SpeakAsia Online.

We have lots of information about SpeakAsia, nearly 40 articles starting from March 2011, with some major events in May, July and December 2011. Some sources are Indian newspapers and TV-news (in English).

We have very little information about Mister Colibri and Brazil. We have 1 or 2 articles about AdMatrix.

We can’t give you exactly the information you are looking for, like “proofs” or “evidence”.

@Paulo Cesar
I believe you will find all the proofs you need in Mister Colibri’s compensation plan?
* they paid a small amount each week for watching ads
* they paid you more money if you invested more money
* they paid a small amount for ads watched by people you had recruited
* most of the income came from recruitment, or when people in your downline invested more money in additional AdStations

Most of the income paid out to members came from money paid in by other members. All the big money came from other members.

Mister Colibri didn’t need any external customers (like Nike, Toyota, etc.). The members paid enough money in as investments to make it work, until it was busted.

At least there is clearly some investments here. The money they pay OUT comes from money someone pays IN. These investments are usually lost when the company shuts down. Whether people wants to call this “fraud” or “business” must be their choice.

The hummingbird is a mister financial pyramid whose money comes from their own affiliates. The videos are bait for people to think they are making money selling ads for major brands. It’s just a ruse to deceive.

Imagine 40,000 Affiliates $ 300.00 to $ home. Generate 12 million dollars. A portion is returned most potted. The pyramid needs to grow fast, but to break.

In India broke with 10 months. I believe that until April to Mister Hummingbird has fooled thousands of people.

If you are winning or have won out while you can. The Financial Fraud is already showing signs of disrepair. The web site down with increasing frequency, you can not watch the videos. The site is simple, no updates.

Just leave the site from the air and definitely over. Even the company’s address is known in Fortaleza. And
the Italian can peacefully go back to Italy millionaire.

They seem to have done a lot more than “experimenting” in India. SpeakAsia had between 1.2 and 2 million members. 🙂

An advise to members of Mister Colibri:
You may have some valuable information related to the payment system in Mister Colibri, valuable for the police or other investigating agencies.

Payment from members was done to Seven Rings International FIZCO, in United Arab Emirates or something. Adding more details to this information may be valuable for the police, and it may be helpful in any attempts to recover some of the money (even if I don’t think this will be easy).

Chargeback:
Some payment solutions offers chargeback (reverse a transaction). I’m not familiar with this solution, but it’s possible that this can be a solution for some.

M_Norway:Chargeback:
Some payment solutions offers chargeback (reverse a transaction). I’m not familiar with this solution, but it’s possible that this can be a solution for some.

Credit card may offer chargeback. However, most of these “opportunities” use a payment handler like Liberty Reserve or Alertpay which acts as a intermediary. You pay LR, then you pay the “opportunity” out of the funds you have in LR. Unfortunately, it often is NOT possible to do a chargeback if you pay through a payment processor. For example:

I’m not updated on the situation in Brazil, but the main idea should still work – “Look for possible solutions?”.

Some of the senior members should be less “senior” than others, and these senior members are in the same boat as the rest of the members.

The most “senior” of the senior members have earned a lot of money, and will be very little interested in “being involved in something” in relation to the police. There should be some members a little less “senior”, and more interested in solutions than to protect their own involvment in the case?

Earlier in this thread I stated “Don’t fight each other, fight the company instead”, “Your upline is in the same boat as you”, “Each member suing their upline will only create chaos” and some similar ideas. Most members will agree in these ideas if they have a downline. Being able to communicate these ideas may prevent lots of trouble from their own downline.

I believe some of them will be interested in protecting the interests of their downline, as long as they protect their own interests too.

Another idea from the same section of this thread was “I believe the most effective strategy will be to attack their ongoing operations, like Mister Colibri in Brazil”. I also added “I may have a different viewpoint than most of the panelists, since I’m focusing on strategy rather than money”.

I’m not able to identify any effective strategy now for the situation in Brazil. The money seems to have ended up in United Arab Emirates (or maybe in British Virgin Island).

As far as I can see, the current best strategy in Brazil will be to deliver information to the police, information about the payment system (if people have more details to add to the information).

Here are some information from me (not verified):Most of this is guessing. I started to look into these matters late yesterday evening/night.

“FIZCO” in Seven Rings International FIZCO seems to be a “Free Zone Company” registered i UAE (maybe in a special registry, not the usual Company Registry). They’re called “FZCO” in general, and “FIZCO” may mean “Free Internet Zone Company” or something. I’m not familiar with these Free Zones, but they act similar as tax havens.

Seven Rings International FIZCO may have been registered in UAE through a local agent in India, and I believe this agent also may have been involved in SpeakAsia in some way or another.

None of the information related to UAE or agents are verified, it’s only a “work in progress”. I have also used some “special working methods”, involving instincts rather than logical thinking.

Parts of the information is treated as we treat pieces in a puzzle – “study the piece and see if it fits in somewhere” – meaning I have tried to “see” the situation rather than analyse it. “Special working methods” aren’t very reliable when I’m missing most of the information needed.

The ones that run the pro-Speak Asia Facebook groups and blogs. They’re crying for everyone to stick together and support the scam daily.

i think the franchisees are sitting quiet because it will be very easy for the eow to target them.

Well of course. With Speak Asia’s management in hiding who else is there left to question?

NOT one agreed to turn approver and side with the eow.

Approver.. that’s an odd choice of words. You don’t interrogate people to get their approval…

everybody clap. melvyn is finally out today!

Has he gone into hiding yet?

Perhaps Ashok and Melvin can get a group discount flight to Dubai…

In other news I’m waiting to see if any orders come today from yesterday’s hearings. Still nothing concrete on exactly what happened in the Supreme Court (everybody seems to be giving their own slanted version of events which appear to be unreliable at this stage) and the Crasto writ 3611 has been given a new hearing date of Jan 25th, but remains in the ‘Pre-Admission’ stage so not sure what happened there.

Today the two writs (3210 and 3211) are back in court so I guess we’ll see what the EOW’s response is to Speak Asia attempting to stop them investigating.

Hello! I live in the state of Pernambuco in Brazil! Hummingbird mister here is recent, but the staff here is very suspicious because the company generates a lot of doubts. I bought a PIN ($ 299 U.S. dollars), but I’m afraid if I get the money or not !…. I hope you help me in obtaining information about Hummingbird mister! … thank you for your response and comments!

@WASHINGTON BRASIL
If you have paid directly to some staff I will advise you to cancel the deal. “Give me my money back”.

Mister Colibri is a scam, so they shouldn’t continue to sell PINS to anyone. The staff here is probably a local distributor trying to reduce his own losses.

We haven’t confirmed anything about the situation in Brazil, so I’m not able to offer you much factual information.

– – – – – – – – – – – – – –@Brazilian (the other Brazilian here)
It may be wise to post some of the most vital information in a Brazilian forum or something, making it easier for most people involved in Mister Colibri to find and read the information in their own language.

I use a similar solution in Norway, “filtering out” only the most important information = what people needs to know to make decisions (or to investigate further if they like to). I try to deliver enough information to make it understandable, but I’m also trying to avoid too much work.

Most people seems to prefer factual and neutral information, presented at an early stage, with the most important parts first. I don’t have any “recipes” other than that one.

hello, my name is Denis, I’m here in Fortaleza, Brazil. The Hummingbird mister deployed here in this fort a few months ago. People close to me are making money with the hummingbird.

I’m into and I came across this blog with so much information about this company. I was scared. that really means is ganhace money but for a short time because after the company knocked off the map? can someone give me more explanation? Thank you in advance.

Just and update: now Mister Colibri is claiming things like “we’re gonna reach 20 milion Brazilians” and “there’s no much money circulating in our account that we hasd to change banks, because the prior one doesn’t have software good enough to deal with it. We even offered to develop a better software for them, but they didb’t accept”

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