This post is about Boot logic issues
I would agree with anyone about whether the issue of "standard" boot-logic in Puppy should be aired in this thread....BUT, it is shared here.

One of the problems this thread presents is whether its collaboration will produce results that Barry would entertain.

One result I remember was accomplished by @Shinobar several years ago when he produced his Puppy distro "QuickSET". When this Puppy distro was booted, he introduced

booting directly to desktop,

an Initial user tool for system tailoring, and

a GRUB4DOS boot manager

....all from a simple CD boot.

At the time, there were several evolutionary startup system strategies introduced with his approach. Two of those strategies has tremendous adoption across the spectrum of Puppy distro development as is almost universally used by most of the mainstream developers.

One that remains is a kinda interesting startup feature. Here's why:

When one does a BootManager install using all Puppies from the Menu, it installs GRUB4DOS. Also, there is another PUP tool that makes use of GRUB4DOS as well.

GRUB4DOS offers some advantages, but, there is a disconnect between what we get from an initial ISO (syslinux) versus GRUB4DOS used thereafter in the system.

Since these are 2 different products, maybe its time for Barry and the community to consider "Which should be the 2012-2013 Bootmanager?" In other words, would the community benefit from just using one of these, versus,having to understand or have knowledge of 2/both of these 2 different tools and their individual behavior.s.

This would simplify community support to a single approach and provide consistency when reviewing operations and addressing usability and implementation issues. Since GRUB4DOS is proliferated within PUPPY after initial system boot, maybe, the initial system boot as @Shinobar demonstrated couple years ago should be the bootmanager which is not only available after system boot, but, maybe it also should replace the current bootmanager (syslinux) as well.

Then, when bootmanager issues are addressed and help is provided, it will work the same whether booting from ISO or booting after initial Puppy use.

I've always wondered about whether there are inhibitors to adopting a single GRUB4DOS tool's use. It merely appears that this would.could be something which is done at the WOOF level for all Puppy distro development. And, I am not sure if @Shinobar could offer an approach he used with his Quickset distro.

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At the moment I don't have time to deviate much from the woof template. Any booting issues will be documented in the release notes.

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futwerk

Nice as usual, thanks.

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tlchost

Yes, a PAE version will be offered, but differing to Barry's approach with precise, I have the exact same kernel config for both releases, and the builds will be identical except for kernel, so in this testing stage PAE is a perk that will come soon.

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turf

Thanks for the report. Inkscape will be recompiled for release. Many (nearly all) underlying libraries have been upgraded. As darkcity said, try from commandline. Often symlinking to the library that is said to be missing (when run from command) can cure the problem.

Will there be a PAE version as a final? I'd be happy to test one here...
My system has a 2TB drive and 16 gigs of memory....very few puppies recognize both the drive and all the memory.

Out of curiosity, do you have a specific purpose for that much RAM or is it more a case of building the highest-specced machine you can?

I no longer build computers.....i'd rather pay a bit more and have a warranty. Looked at an ad from one of the larger computer hardware places....their kit offering with less ram and a smaller hard drive than mine was 30 per cent more than I paid.

I believe Puppy Devs need to consider that a lot of folks will purchase a copmputer with large drives and lots of memory....if they try a puppy that does not see the large hard drive and/or the large memory, they may be put off.

There is much to be said about what occurred in 2006 to date. And, for many of us who have assist persons in purchases over the past 2 years, it has become obvious of the direction of the PC industry, overall.

No one of us should concern ourselves with drawing attention in a negative fashion to any user who comes our way in trying to use Puppy Linux on newer PCs.

This community and BarryK has provide all of us with distros which take advantage of ALL RAM (the technology those distro address has been in 32bit PCs since 1995) on your PCs ... whether that is a 256MB PC or a 64GB PC, 32bit PUPs will run.

Puppy provides the advantage in that once it loads it makes the remaining RAM not used by the running OS available to the system as a part of its filesystem. This is the primary reason our PUPs are so fast. Its tied to how it takes advantage of ALL RAM no matter how much you have.

SLACKO is just one of the 32bit PUPs that makes a PUP capable of taking advantage of all the RAM on your system for beneficial uses.

And, no one of us should be ashame to describe the PC platforms we have in efforts to request assistance in addressing chipset/hardware understanding.

I have been running "FATSLACKO" for several months without issue and it is using all RAM for my system's use and benefit.

FATSLACKO loads, then runnings using about 130MB (seen in Hardinfo) to support local and LAN needs on a PC with a 16GB USB split to provide a SWAP area. I have also tested that distro and found that it also is twice as fast in providing NAS functions than my Network attached NAS units.

Hard to argue with the benefits from the reports provided by the systems. All this from a system that I have NOT installed any addtional PPM packages because it delivers a "FULL" desktop experience with top-of-the-line office suite, OOTB. This affords me an OOTB experience equivalent to MS and Apple via a DVD. WoW!

I am so very proud of the opportunity to be a part of this Forum and its community.

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