SDF: Argument against VIOLENT revolution -- because it's IMPRACTICAL -- misrepresented. This is RD's argument too, you can't address it in his threads either. If you can't address arguments without misrepresenting them, Stoller, could you invite a real debater to this forum to take them on?

: So far, Sam, all you've had to say is that voting for the Greens in a capitalist democracy is better than nothing.

: Care to try again?

SDF: Are you arguing that creating a mass movement with both an electoral and a movement component (such as the Greens) is WORSE than nothing, or do you always resort to jeering when the ability to directly clash fails you? Other people know how to address issues. I'm getting bored of the false dilemma that electoral politics and movement politics are mutually exclusive activities, too, and I suspect I'm waiting for Godot as regards SUBSTANTIATION of the "real" attitudes of the nonvoting public.