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HI there-I'm new to the forum - I'm wondering if anyone can help me with some advice-I've recently "discovered" Estonia pianos and am intrigued after playing some at a local music store.I recently found a private seller who is selling a 1998 Estonia 168 (5'6") piano (high gloss black) for $13,000-

I haven't played this particular one yet- but I'm going to try it out soon-The owner of the piano is the original owner- and says it is in great shape.

About me: I play mostly classical and new age music, and the piano would also be used for recording.

I've been reading about the history of Estonia- and so the one issue I can think of right now (without playing the piano yet, of course) is the year 1998-As I've learned that these pianos have come a long way since the early 90's- and I read that even some of them in the 90's were "plagued with manufacturing defects" and that it wasn't until 2003 that they REALLY started improving in quality and craftsmanship. So I'm just wondering if anyone out there is familiar with or owns a late 90's model and can tell me anything about the quality of the pianos manufactured during that time.

(Of course I will have a technician come and inspect it and give me his / her blessing after I try it out- before making my decision but I was just curious to know what you think on the forum.)

I have a feeling he might be willing to negotiate on the price-but just from your standpoint- if I play it and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with it- would you think that $10,000 - $11,000 is fair?

I had a 2000 built one. It was a decent enough musical instrument, but of very poor build quality. Have a good look at casework joints and panel fits, and then decide if you can live with it. [I couldnt].

Price depends on your local market. Here it would only make 8000usd equivalent.

if I play it and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with it- would you think that $10,000 - $11,000 is fair?

I'm no expert but it's my understanding that the biggest problem with Estonias of that era was inconsistency from one to the next (see maserman1's post). $10K-$11K might be a fair price IF it's one of the better ones and hasn't been heavily used (insert Pianoworld advice about having a tech inspect it here).

Ok thanks!Since I'm kind of new to this- in short, just to verify, having the tech come to the guy's house and have him / her give it a good checkup will determine if it's one of the better ones? The tech should be able to do that on the spot?

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Originally Posted By: phrygian

Ok thanks!Since I'm kind of new to this- in short, just to verify, having the tech come to the guy's house and have him / her give it a good checkup will determine if it's one of the better ones? The tech should be able to do that on the spot?

thanks again :-)

I think a very good tech could give you reliable information about the quality of any piano you're interested in. I don't think even a very good tech could know how a particular Estonia piano compares to others of the same vintage unless they happened to be extremely familiar with many Estonia pianos of that vintage.

Ok thanks!Since I'm kind of new to this- in short, just to verify, having the tech come to the guy's house and have him / her give it a good checkup will determine if it's one of the better ones? The tech should be able to do that on the spot?

thanks again :-)

Yes. Specifically, the tech can check things that are difficult for you to check, like whether prior repairs have been done, and how well; whether there's sufficient torque for the tuning pins to hold tension; and how much wear the piano has received.

I explain to people it's like getting a mechanic to check a used car. The interior can look great, but I myself can't check compression of the engine, and things like that which might cost money in the short term.

OK thanks so much Cy-If I can ask- what's the going rate for this kind of tech inspection? Just trying to figure out what I can expect to pay- even a range would be helpful-thanks!

Originally Posted By: Cy Shuster, RPT

Originally Posted By: phrygian

Yes. Specifically, the tech can check things that are difficult for you to check, like whether prior repairs have been done, and how well; whether there's sufficient torque for the tuning pins to hold tension; and how much wear the piano has received.

I explain to people it's like getting a mechanic to check a used car. The interior can look great, but I myself can't check compression of the engine, and things like that which might cost money in the short term.