19 Right Wing “Anything but the Gun” Excuses (Updated - Now With More Satan)

Here’s a list of the scapegoats and excuses we’ve heard so far in the ongoing pro-gun noise machine’s efforts to blame gun violence and the Newtown school massacre on absolutely everything but the ready availability of millions of weapons like the Bushmaster AR-15 style assault rifle used by Adam Lanza.

(All excuses taken from actual right wing blog posts, web articles, and radio interviews.)

Or sometimes they go with "there really aren't more mass shootings these days, they're just reported on more". Because back in the 70s and 80s these things were buried on page A18 if they made the paper at all. /

My Christmas spirit this year has been crushed.
In the middle of the night I posted this..And I rarely repost stuff.. But I must.

I've spent a lot of time on the net this weekend reading lots of sites of all types. I'm amazed what I read. Even the comments on big sites like CNN got freaking ugly. I saw a face of America during one of the worst tragedies.
I saw the most heartbroken posters
I saw love and support
i saw evil in the shadows hiding but posting hate and shocking reactions.

People ask, ' How could this happen?'
I don't have an answer but I do know this..
Part of America has lost it's soul and heart..and humanity.

Friends and family have asked me why I'm leaving my career and friends to move out into the middle of fucking nowhere and starting a new life in a green acres kind of way. Pray for me..cause I'll be praying for you

In a friendly debate with a GOP co-worker today I told him I do not think it is possible to truly secure a weapon in your house, period. If a criminal was standing there with a knife holding your kid or wife hostage screaming at you to open the safe, you'd open it. He had to accept that as true..

Or sometimes they go with "there really aren't more mass shootings these days, they're just reported on more". Because back in the 70s and 80s these things were buried on page A18 if they made the paper at all. /

Hmm. Kernel of truth to this one. The Columbus highway sniper maybe 10 years ago got a lot more national coverage than a series of store bombings (iirc) back in the late '60's.

My Christmas spirit this year has been crushed.
In the middle of the night I posted this..And I rarely repost stuff.. But I must.

I've spent a lot of time on the net this weekend reading lots of sites of all types. I'm amazed what I read. Even the comments on big sites like CNN got freaking ugly. I saw a face of America during one of the worst tragedies.
I saw the most heartbroken posters
I saw love and support
i saw evil in the shadows hiding but posting hate and shocking reactions.

People ask, ' How could this happen?'
I don't have an answer but I do know this..
Part of America has lost it's soul and heart..and humanity.

Friends and family have asked me why I'm leaving my career and friends to move out into the middle of fucking nowhere and starting a new life in a green acres kind of way. Pray for me..cause I'll be praying for you

I'm sure you'll find peace in your new adventure. BTW, have you watched the River Cottage series? It's a British show about starting a small holding (small farm). It's a bit of gardening, foraging, cooking, raising livestock, etc. Lots of inspiration.

25 Mass murderers only attack in gun free zones
26. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon"
27. Like the Founding Fathers said, From time to time the tree of liberty must be sprinkled with blood.

In a friendly debate with a GOP co-worker today I told him I do not think it is possible to truly secure a weapon in your house, period. If a criminal was standing there with a knife holding your kid or wife hostage screaming at you to open the safe, you'd open it. He had to accept that as true..

I got to listen to a Loud Howard co-worker's legal theory on the Death Penalty today, after he expressed support for arming teachers to the teeth. Apparently the downside of an untrained, under-gunned teacher getting into a shootout inside a crowded school was lost on him. "Well if you're going to shoot it down with an extreme example..." he says. What? Fucking good sense is extreme now?

Anyway, his Death Penalty theory, in short: kill anybody who looks guilty to save taxpayer money, preferably with an assembly line. I tried to point out that the threat of death wasn't exactly a deterrent to the Radical Loser types who go on spree killings, but I think he just wanted to tell everyone about how he wanted to kill people without due process.

Worse yet, when I expressed annoyance about this to my girlfriend - a Church-of-Christ-3-times-a-week, twice-on-Sunday "Christian" - she said that somebody caught in the act of a mass shooting wasn't entitled to due process or a trial, and should be executed on the spot. I pointed out that this was barbaric, un-American, against the rule of law, and extremely hypocritical, and she didn't care. She also didn't understand why it was hypocritical, but I wasn't going to get into an argument about religion... If she can't figure out what's hypocritical about a Jesus worshiper calling for execution without fair trial, and if she doesn't know that this Jesus character was supposed to have been a member of a people who essentially define themselves by establishment of justice, nothing I say is going to matter.

Oddly enough, the one person in the room who expressed agreement with me, that he wouldn't mind undergoing a background check or restrictions before owning a center-fire semi-auto, was the one guy in the room who had actually been in the Army in the 90s and had spent some time on the ground in Somalia and Haiti.

My Christmas spirit this year has been crushed.
In the middle of the night I posted this..And I rarely repost stuff.. But I must.

I've spent a lot of time on the net this weekend reading lots of sites of all types. I'm amazed what I read. Even the comments on big sites like CNN got freaking ugly. I saw a face of America during one of the worst tragedies.
I saw the most heartbroken posters
I saw love and support
i saw evil in the shadows hiding but posting hate and shocking reactions.

People ask, ' How could this happen?'
I don't have an answer but I do know this..
Part of America has lost it's soul and heart..and humanity.

Friends and family have asked me why I'm leaving my career and friends to move out into the middle of fucking nowhere and starting a new life in a green acres kind of way. Pray for me..cause I'll be praying for you

Hey Charles, something weird is going on in the bottom comments section, I think it is showing "ghosts of comments that were deleted if they had a negative score at the time of deletion, is anybody else getting linked back to the main screen when they try and click on Buck's comments in the bottom 10?

Hey Charles, something weird is going on in the bottom comments section, I think it is showing "ghosts of comments that were deleted if they had a negative score at the time of deletion, is anybody else getting linked back to the main screen when they try and click on Buck's comments in the bottom 10?

I think that's on the Page that was made unvisible after it got Bucked up.

I'm sure you'll find peace in your new adventure. BTW, have you watched the River Cottage series? It's a British show about starting a small holding (small farm). It's a bit of gardening, foraging, cooking, raising livestock, etc. Lots of inspiration.

Thanks! I'll check it out. I've got somewhere over 1000 channels so it better be there :)
Out there the TV sucks and the best Net access I can find is DSL..When I checked out the house I had no cell phone bars..plenty of trees on the south side that I can have cut down for wood for the fireplace. I want to try doing a cool garden.. not the standard stuff like corn and beans. I'm really excited. Once in a lifetime opportunity and the sky is the ceiling for me.

You can tell her that they they will certainly be killed in the act if doing so will make anyone safer. But if they make it to being safely arrested, then they get a trial.

People who don't think too deeply confuse issues, so she may be thinking that shooting them on the spot will save lifes, but that already happens if it will.

Aside from religious ignorance (which is a pre-requisite for attending her church; I've listened to her preacher's sermons online), she's pissed about this guy "killing babies". Fair enough. I tried laying out for her the idea that if caught, it would help everybody to pick the killer's brain apart down to the last nut and bolt to figure out his major malfunction, before deciding on a death penalty, but she just wanted him dead in her mind.

It's weird. In our lunch group I'm the guy that legally carries a gun, I'm the guy that owns an AR, I'm the Dirrrty Kuffar atheist, and you think I'd be the quick-trigger commando-wannabe killer in this scenario, but I'm just not. I've separated my emotions from the mechanics of these things and I'd rather think it through and do what's right, rather than what satisfies the Angry Monkey within.

Try to remember that the only fundamental that has changed suddenly is your interpretation of reality. Everything else existed yesterday, and before. You can't change reality, but you are in control of your state of mind.

Aside from religious ignorance (which is a pre-requisite for attending her church; I've listened to her preacher's sermons online), she's pissed about this guy "killing babies". Fair enough. I tried laying out for her the idea that if caught, it would help everybody to pick the killer's brain apart down to the last nut and bolt to figure out his major malfunction, before deciding on a death penalty, but she just wanted him dead in her mind.

It's weird. In our lunch group I'm the guy that legally carries a gun, I'm the guy that owns an AR, I'm the Dirrrty Kuffar atheist, and you think I'd be the quick-trigger commando-wannabe killer in this scenario, but I'm just not. I've separated my emotions from the mechanics of these things and I'd rather think it through and do what's right, rather than what satisfies the Angry Monkey within.

I was about to post a link to a page on Glenn Beck's fake news website The Blaze about a new transsexual style magazine featuring a transgendered individual who vaguely looks like Michelle Obama on the cover...and the inevitably insane racist, sexist and homophobic comments that follow this kind of "story".

However, I am going to pass on this one. It should be easy to locate if you are so inclined.

Try to remember that the only fundamental that has changed suddenly is your interpretation of reality. Everything else existed yesterday, and before. You can't change reality, but you are in control of your state of mind.

Conditional upding.

Brain chemistry is in control of your state of mind, but that can be modified to a certain degree.

That and the fact the universe is recreated every Thursday and memories implanted.

1) Almost immediately posting pro-gun propaganda. I predicted this right after I heard about the shootings and sure enough...several FB friends were doing it within minutes or hours. One of them is a liberal atheist Native American, but on guns he is hardcore. I had a VERY strong reaction to the two pro-gun graphics he put up, telling him that although we agree on almost every other topic, I was pretty close to unfriending him so I didn't have to see that crap in my news feed. He took both posts down, good for him.

It's so hard to understand how anyone with a heart could come rushing out with the pro-gun arguments immediately after 20 children have been gunned down. Especially parents---mothers, with children, for God's sake? What is wrong with them?? It's like they've been brainwashed into thinking this kind of reaction is normal. To me it makes it hard to even think of them as human beings. It's more like they're soulless Terminators from the future.

The other reaction is the "we've taken God out of our schools" inanity. One email going around talks about Jesus welcoming all those children into heaven and then blaming the violence on "fools" and saying, "I'm taking back my nation...I'm taking back my schools!" (They had to say "fools" instead of "liberals" because liberals doesn't rhyme with schools, you see...)

Again, this is a sentiment expressed by nice people, who I like...which is why it's so difficult to see them expressing such incredibly stupid opinions. Again, it's like so many Americans have just been thoroughly programmed and brainwashed with all the standard canards and all they can do when things like this happen is spit them out with monotonous predictability. No original thinking, no reflection, nothing. Not even 6-7 year olds getting shot can shake them out of their stupor and make them think anything but "Don't blame the guns!" "More guns!" and "More God!"

What I WANT from congress is for them to keep SS from going broke, to keep Medicare and Medicaid ticking along, to fund The Affordable Health Care act. To not waste our money on another war in the Middle East. To not waste our money on a "two wars at once" capability.

I want us to replace the Fox News brain trauma victims on the Supreme court with real judges so that in 20 years you can still get birth control and don't consider Texaco a citizen.

Yeah, gun control. How about we outlaw bullets. People have the right to bear arms and hit each other over the head with them as much as they like. I don't care that much. We don't have an answer that is acceptable to everyone and it's not our highest priority. I'll support gun control only as far as it doesn't threaten the important things.

Oddly enough, the one person in the room who expressed agreement with me, that he wouldn't mind undergoing a background check or restrictions before owning a center-fire semi-auto, was the one guy in the room who had actually been in the Army in the 90s and had spent some time on the ground in Somalia and Haiti.

Sometimes, I don't think we're going to make it.

I kinda like chatting with these people. Stay cool, smile, ask them a few simple questions and just listen to them talk themselves into a pretzel. It doesn't take long. And then I give them my opposing take on things, Usually they are startled that someone is actually speaking up to refute them. Most of them have never had an actual conversation with a liberal before. Ha.
All it takes for idiocy to spread is for rational people to stand by and say nothing.

Like most devout people, she's only devout when she remembers to be. About 98% of the time she's sensible, cute, funny (even raunchy), enjoyable to talk to, sensual, and we um... get along just fine... in certain areas... But when it comes to religious politics, she occasionally shows part of herself to be an ignorant, reactionary, stunningly hypocritical sheep. Part of her is just programmed with this bullshit since childhood. It's like there's a separate little Queen of Derp in there that I fortunately only bump into once every couple of weeks. I love her, but she's got a bit of a disease in there somewhere that I'll never be able to cure.

I know full well that I'm an aggressive, vicious asshole once I've put something into the Enemy category, and I've told her that if I ever told her what I really think about her religion, her church, her preacher, and what they're doing to her kids' brain, she wouldn't speak to me again. So, we don't talk about it.

What I WANT from congress is for them to keep SS from going broke, to keep Medicare and Medicaid ticking along, to fund The Affordable Health Care act. To not waste our money on another war in the Middle East. To not waste our money on a "two wars at once" capability.

Like most devout people, she's only devout when she remembers to be. About 98% of the time she's sensible, cute, funny (even raunchy), enjoyable to talk to, sensual, and we um... get along just fine... in certain areas... But when it comes to religious politics, she occasionally shows part of herself to be an ignorant, reactionary, stunningly hypocritical sheep. Part of her is just programmed with this bullshit since childhood. It's like there's a separate little Queen of Derp in there that I fortunately only bump into once every couple of weeks. I love her, but she's got a bit of a disease in there somewhere that I'll never be able to cure.

I know full well that I'm an aggressive, vicious asshole once I've put something into the Enemy category, and I've told her that if I ever told her what I really think about her religion, her church, her preacher, and what they're doing to her kids' brain, she wouldn't speak to me again. So, we don't talk about it.

Other than that, we get along great.

Sometimes compartmentalizing certain things is the prudent path to take. My wife and I have a similar unspoken agreement.

HMB's senior center is having an "adopt a senior" drive. Got to the place in time to grab the last available tag from the tree and picked up their Xmas wish. Now, what am I going to do with a senior citizen?

What I WANT from congress is for them to keep SS from going broke, to keep Medicare and Medicaid ticking along, to fund The Affordable Health Care act. To not waste our money on another war in the Middle East. To not waste our money on a "two wars at once" capability.

I want us to replace the Fox News brain trauma victims on the Supreme court with real judges so that in 20 years you can still get birth control and don't consider Texaco a citizen.

Yeah, gun control. How about we outlaw bullets. People have the right to bear arms and hit each other over the head with them as much as they like. I don't care that much. We don't have an answer that is acceptable to everyone and it's not our highest priority. I'll support gun control only as far as it doesn't threaten the important things.

HMB's senior center is having an "adopt a senior" drive. Got to the place in time to grab the last available tag from the tree and picked up their Xmas wish. Now, what am I going to do with a senior citizen?

HMB's senior center is having an "adopt a senior" drive. Got to the place in time to grab the last available tag from the tree and picked up their Xmas wish. Now, what am I going to do with a senior citizen?

Sometimes compartmentalizing certain things is the prudent path to take. My wife and I have a similar unspoken agreement.

Yeah. I'm in about my eighth month as a full-blown skeptic, anti-theist supernatural-denying atheist, after about six years of living as what you might call a pseudo-Jew. I'm still in the angry & frustrated stage, which is pretty common for newly discovered atheists, apparently; every day I find myself shocked and dismayed by some overheard nonsense at work, and I'm slowly learning how to moderate and express these things. I unfortunately don't have any natural gift for "debate" or calm discussion, I'm the kind of guy who would verbally stab you fifty times to make sure, when once was enough, which is why I just don't talk about certain things. It's not worth losing friends, or her, over Nonsense.

What I WANT from congress is for them to keep SS from going broke, to keep Medicare and Medicaid ticking along, to fund The Affordable Health Care act. To not waste our money on another war in the Middle East. To not waste our money on a "two wars at once" capability.

I want us to replace the Fox News brain trauma victims on the Supreme court with real judges so that in 20 years you can still get birth control and don't consider Texaco a citizen.

Yeah, gun control. How about we outlaw bullets. People have the right to bear arms and hit each other over the head with them as much as they like. I don't care that much. We don't have an answer that is acceptable to everyone and it's not our highest priority. I'll support gun control only as far as it doesn't threaten the important things.

I will be surprised if anything useful in the way of gun control comes out of this. Perhaps the RW blowhards will expose themselves as the lunatics they are, but I doubt that enough people are paying attention for that to matter.

If I were advising Obama and the Dems, I'd recommend planting the notion in the media that since anything that can pass must be bi-partisan (pretty much true), and the GOP is the self appointed defender of the 2nd amendment, let them make the first proposals.

If the GOP response is "no changes needed" (or worse), that will be damaging. Much better for the Dems than getting lost in the weeds over another "assault weapon ban".

Yeah. I'm in about my eighth month as a full-blown skeptic, anti-theist supernatural-denying atheist, after about six years of living as what you might call a pseudo-Jew. I'm still in the angry & frustrated stage, which is pretty common for newly discovered atheists, apparently; every day I find myself shocked and dismayed by some overheard nonsense at work, and I'm slowly learning how to moderate and express these things. I unfortunately don't have any natural gift for "debate" or calm discussion, I'm the kind of guy who would verbally stab you fifty times to make sure, when once was enough, which is why I just don't talk about certain things. It's not worth losing friends, or her, over Nonsense.

Smart man.
I've been an atheist for a long time so I've gone through allmost some of my issues.

On Tuesday, December 18th, an American journalist told Iranian Press TV that the shooting spree was a “revenge killing in the United States sponsored by Israel” in response for international support at the United Nations last month.

The journalist, Michael Harris, is the financial editor at Veterans Today a website known more for its anti-Semitic and anti-Israel conspiracy theories, than journalism of any kind.

During his interview with the Iranian media outlet, Harris, a one-time Republican gubernatorial candidate in Arizona, reported that “Israel has been operating death squads.”

Harris insisted that Israeli “revenge squads” have been killing innocent Americans since the Tuscon, Arizona, shooting in which Jewish congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head, but survived, while another six individuals were killed.

Not one to waste a good soapbox, Harris also insisted that the Israel somehow responsible for the shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman film in Aurora, Colorado, in which 12 people were killed and 58 injured.

“Zionist-controlled Hollywood” and the “Zionist-controlled news media” act as a “conduit to all this violence” in the United States that manifests itself in deadly shootings, added Harris.

For a minute there I though what kind of right wing nut job site am I reading? Then I remembered oh yeah this is a /sarc thread. Whew things make sense again. Scary how easily crazy can be mistaken for what you find on a actual GOP sites as normal discourse.

Yeah. I'm in about my eighth month as a full-blown skeptic, anti-theist supernatural-denying atheist, after about six years of living as what you might call a pseudo-Jew. I'm still in the angry & frustrated stage, which is pretty common for newly discovered atheists, apparently; every day I find myself shocked and dismayed by some overheard nonsense at work, and I'm slowly learning how to moderate and express these things. I unfortunately don't have any natural gift for "debate" or calm discussion, I'm the kind of guy who would verbally stab you fifty times to make sure, when once was enough, which is why I just don't talk about certain things. It's not worth losing friends, or her, over Nonsense.

I see no need for uninvited evangelism from either side. If nobody tries to convert me, I will stay silent about my reasons for not believing, and generally be polite in public.

Again, this is a sentiment expressed by nice people, who I like...which is why it's so difficult to see them expressing such incredibly stupid opinions. Again, it's like so many Americans have just been thoroughly programmed and brainwashed with all the standard canards and all they can do when things like this happen is spit them out with monotonous predictability. No original thinking, no reflection, nothing. Not even 6-7 year olds getting shot can shake them out of their stupor and make them think anything but "Don't blame the guns!" "More guns!" and "More God!"

I had some dumbass actually tag me in a few pictures of Ted the fucking moron Nugent on FB last Friday. classy huh. And yeah, the gun nuts rush to become the real victim was despicable, there was even a poster of an assortment of assault weapons with the caption.. "The 2nd Amendment.. By whatever means necessary." Un freaking believable.

Dude, Real America™ is surrounded by enemies: LA & San Franciso to the west, NYC & DC to the East, Canada & Dearbornistan to the north, and Mexico to the south. If it wasn't for the bulwark of Texas and great American patriots like Gov. Rick Perry...

Dude, Real America™ is surrounded by enemies: LA & San Franciso to the west, NYC & DC to the East, Canada & Dearbornistan to the north, and Mexico to the south. If it wasn't for the bulwark of Texas and great American patriots like Gov. Rick Perry...

Well actually, he did file a criminal complaint. Found that out yesterday.

Yeah just looked that up myself, but the fact remains that the police have known the name of the guy that threw the punch since half an hour after the incident happened. This whole "reward for the name" scam they are running is bogus, especially since they were running it after Crowder had declined to press charges originally.

Hello voters, Look at your Party...now back to us...now back at your party...now back to us. Sadly, they aren't us...but if you stopped using your analytic intelligence and switched back to mindlessly panicking, they could be crazy like they're us. Look left, eyes forward. where are you? You're at the FEMA concentration camp with the﻿ political party your political party could be crazy like. What's in their hand...back to us...we have it...it's a AR-15 with a forged birth certificate...look again...the birth certificate is now an empty chair.

There is a story of mass murder involving children in the Gospel of Matthew. They were the Holy Innocents, the male children of Bethlehem that were killed by Herod's soldiers in his dragnet attempt to kill off the newborn King that the 3 wise men spoke of in their meeting with Herod.

Baby Jesus had slipped out of town with the folks just before all that came down. An Angel came and warned them to get the heck out now and go to Egypt. No warnings for the other kids.

There is a story of mass murder involving children in the Gospel of Matthew. They were the Holy Innocents, the male children of Bethlehem that were killed by Herod's soldiers in his dragnet attempt to kill off the newborn King that the 3 wise men spoke of in their meeting with Herod.

Baby Jesus had slipped out of town with the folks just before all that came down. An Angel came and warned them to get the heck out now and go to Egypt. No warnings for the other kids.

2 Kings 23 Elisha left to go up to Beit-El. As he was on his way up the road, some boys came out of the town and began making fun of him. “Go on up, baldy! Go on up, baldy!” 24 He looked behind him, saw them and put a curse on them in the name of Adonai; whereupon two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

There is a story of mass murder involving children in the Gospel of Matthew. They were the Holy Innocents, the male children of Bethlehem that were killed by Herod's soldiers in his dragnet attempt to kill off the newborn King that the 3 wise men spoke of in their meeting with Herod.

Abraham, Elisha, Exodus, Joshua, and well... The entire "New Testament", including the main story...

God is OK with killing kids, even his own. It's kind of his thing.

"Where was god in all this?", they asked on TV. My answer? Behind home plate in the Manager's box, eating peanuts and reminiscing about the good old days.

He bats well below the Mendoza Line when it comes to preventing these sorts of things.

One of the folks I work with hands in paperwork/receipts etc. and when I log this stuff into our budget database, I always smelled it. Found out he bought a center-console or something for his truck that somebody spilled Patchouli in (I'm not sure what forms it comes in...). Everything smells like it. Makes my nostril-hairs curl.

LOL, may cat agrees. I have a bottle of some really strong patchouli--whenever she's bugging me all I have to do is pick it up and she makes this disgusted noise & high tails it off my desk. If I actually put some on she won't come near me for hours.

LOL, may cat agrees. I have a bottle of some really strong patchouli--whenever she's bugging me all I have to do is pick it up and she makes this disgusted noise & high tails it off my desk. If I actually put some on she won't come near me for hours.

Hey! I like that show. Just finished watching the first two seasons on Amazon Prime a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm catching up on all the old episodes of The L Word that I missed back in the day and thinking about moving on to American Horror Story next.

As I reported recently in our in-depth investigation, not one of the 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way. More broadly, attempts by armed civilians to intervene in shooting rampages are rare—and are successful even more rarely. (Two people who tried it in recent years were gravely wounded or killed.) And law enforcement overwhelmingly hates the idea.

Those pesky facts haven't stopped the "arm America more!" crowd from pressing the argument with alleged examples of successful armed interventions. The problem is, the few examples they keep using—in which they depict plain old folks acting heroically and with definitive results—fall apart under scrutiny. Here are five of them and why they don't work:

The black woman, Dominique Eloi, was spotted on the the campus of the Leaders Preparatory School, which contains a mosque and day care center. When school employees asked what she was doing on the campus, Eloi was silent and pulled out her weapon.

“I have no idea who she is or why she chose to come here,” Iman Mohammed Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida told Click Orlando. “I tried to speak to her, but she didn’t respond to anything, she started speaking German.”

The private school was placed on lockdown. When police arrived, they witnessed Eloi exiting the mosque with her sword drawn.

She was charged with possession of a weapon on school grounds, disrupting a school function and aggravated assault with a weapon. It is unclear why she was at the private Islamic school with a sword.

Loonies are coming out of the woodwork this week because of the Not-Pocalypse. What's the count on mass shootings (successful or attempted) and public freakery since last Thursday? At least a couple of dozen...

It seems the only thing that stops the shooters is running out of targets, or the cops showing up with equal or superior firepower.

The armed, trained people who have found themselves present at a quarterly Suburban Gotterdammerung have usually declined to engage a superior enemy and left the area ASAP, sometimes facilitating escape for others while doing so.

Fantasies about Dirty Harrying a loon with a rifle are just that... Fantasies. Nobody who's been in the shit or trained for being in it, would ever seriously suggest trying such a thing without huge advantages in cover and surprise. And those are matter of blind shit luck to begin with.

It seems the only thing that stops the shooters is running out of targets, or the cops showing up with equal or superior firepower.

The armed, trained people who have found themselves present at a quarterly Suburban Gotterdammerung have usually declined to engage a superior enemy and left the area ASAP, sometimes facilitating escape for others while doing so.

Fantasies about Dirty Harrying a loon with a rifle are just that... Fantasies. Nobody who's been in the shit or trained for being in it, would ever seriously suggest trying such a thing without huge advantages in cover and surprise. And those are matter of blind shit luck to begin with.

And it's becoming increasingly laughable as the shooters seem to be evolving (for lack of a better term) and equipping body armor before they go on their rampages. That actually should be another area of potential regulation, the ease civilians have in obtaining military-grade gear other than just weapons.

I think I'm going to try for some fried-rice style quinoa next with some stir-fired beef or chicken & broccolini. This is the first time I'm trying broccolini too (I like broccoli).

I think it also works very well with fish. Grilled Mahi on a bed of quinoa and collards is one of my favorites. I think you;re on the right track, it also holds up to a lot of bold flavors in curries, chilli. You can also treat it like Pilaf or cous cous. It's really very versatile.

Since there's a new thread upstairs I'm going to add a quick bitch here.

Last week I sent a proposal to a potential client for some work. Small project, under $1000 total. Never heard back. Today I write to him to follow up on it. He writes back telling me that their business partner abroad found someone to do it for super cheap the day after I sent them the proposal, but thanks anyway.

Gee, thanks. You couldn't just send a short e-mail telling me that back when you first found out? WTF.

I think it also works very well with fish. Grilled Mahi on a bed of quinoa and collards is one of my favorites. I think you;re on the right track, it also holds up to a lot of bold flavors in curries, chilli. You can also treat it like Pilaf or cous cous. It's really very versatile.

Sorry for so rudely disappearing like I did, but it couldn't be avoided.

I'm allergic to seafood and won't touch most green leafy veggies (or most green veggies period *gag*), but thanks for the pilaf/couscous tip.