"The AK-47 and AR-15 are Assault Rifles as designated by their manufacturers. Of course we all know "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle", but "AK" stands for "Assaulti Karabina", which is Russian for, you guessed it, "Assault Rifle." These were purpose-built for being fully machine gun automatic weapons for infantrymen to kill as many enemy as possible.

The numbers indicated the size of their ammo magazines but there have been aftermarket magazines developed which will hold 30 or 100 rounds, and even a backpack that will hold 1000 rounds."

Someone knows jack shiat about firearms.Hopes the P226 I buy soon will have a 226 round magazine.

I'll get behind that Assualt Rifles exist, and they ALL have full automatic mode.Anything less than that is a glorified hunting or sporting rifle.

philotech:The weapon you decided to use as an example is not selecting fire; it has 1 firing mode...

Actualy it has 3 modes. Safe (which I am sure you weren't counting,) Full and single. The AK's first selection is auto, then push further down on the dust cover/mode selector and you get single. Unlike US doctrine which escalates fires (single, THEN burst or auto), Soviet doctrine was "if enough people get lead downrange really fast, things will get hit by bullets" The single fire was an afterthought.

BHShaman:"The AK-47 and AR-15 are Assault Rifles as designated by their manufacturers. Of course we all know "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle", but "AK" stands for "Assaulti Karabina", which is Russian for, you guessed it, "Assault Rifle." These were purpose-built for being fully machine gun automatic weapons for infantrymen to kill as many enemy as possible.

The numbers indicated the size of their ammo magazines but there have been aftermarket magazines developed which will hold 30 or 100 rounds, and even a backpack that will hold 1000 rounds."

Someone knows jack shiat about firearms.Hopes the P226 I buy soon will have a 226 round magazine.

I'll get behind that Assualt Rifles exist, and they ALL have full automatic mode.Anything less than that is a glorified hunting or sporting rifle.

Many recently manufactured assault rifles feature only a limited "burst" fire operation which discharges a fixed number of ammunition rounds (greater than one) with a single trigger pull.

cameroncrazy1984:sethen320: Since this is fark my guess is that a bunch of emotional, knee-jerk reactionists will tell everyone here who has ever so much as thought about guns that they are callous killers in waiting...because guns are evil. And they hate scary things...because Newtown.

More like because the gun related deaths per 100000 people in the UK is .20 versus more than ten times that in the US.

But, you know, again. Reality.

The UK also has the exact same racial demographics, while bordering Mexico, so it's a completely fair comparison. Uk, black population < 2%, US > 12%

I'm having a hard time believing she shot herself in the head, that's pretty hard to do by accident with a rifle on your own. The husband probably hit the trigger.

sethen320:Since this is fark my guess is that a bunch of emotional, knee-jerk reactionists will tell everyone here who has ever so much as thought about guns that they are callous killers in waiting...because guns are evil. And they hate scary things...because Newtown.

Right...the people who cling to guns, bibles and large pickup trucks aren't the ones afraid of scary things...it's the liberals who are afraid of everything killing them...

sethen320:Clearly, you have this all figured out. I mean really, what IS The difference between rights and privileges?

So how come convicted felons aren't allowed to own guns, even after completing their sentence? 2nd amendment says nothing about that. How come there's a background check and a waiting period? Again, nothing about that in the 2nd amendment. And how come full auto guns can't be manufactured or imported, and must all be registered in the NFA registry? Once again, nothing about that in the 2nd amendment. And what about short barreled rifles? Where in the 2nd amendment does it say that short barreled rifles are illegal? Doesn't that infringe your rights?

Gun ownership is already heavily regulated. Which makes sense, because we don't live in a freaking 18th century agrarian society anymore. It's time to adapt our laws and customs to the times and circumstances. If you don't do that, you look really silly, like Muslims or the Amish.

sethen320:Since this is fark my guess is that a bunch of emotional, knee-jerk reactionists will tell everyone here who has ever so much as thought about guns that they are callous killers in waiting...because guns are evil. And they hate scary things...because Newtown.

way south:/As to the subject: This woman made many mistakes. Combining alcohol, guns, a round in the chamber, safety off, and having the rifle pointed at her./Darwin was a-knocking and, sadly, she answered the door.

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Indeed - she did everything wrong and I tend to think that she is (was) a more accurate example of the typical gun owner. It's very fortunate that her stupidity killed only herself.

CrazyCracka420:sethen320: Since this is fark my guess is that a bunch of emotional, knee-jerk reactionists will tell everyone here who has ever so much as thought about guns that they are callous killers in waiting...because guns are evil. And they hate scary things...because Newtown.

Right...the people who cling to guns, bibles and large pickup trucks aren't the ones afraid of scary things...it's the liberals who are afraid of everything killing them...

Liberals own guns too. You look like a farking idiot when you pretend that it's only right wing republicans who own guns.

Gaylord Fister:sethen320:Clearly, you have this all figured out. I mean really, what IS The difference between rights and privileges?

So how come convicted felons aren't allowed to own guns, even after completing their sentence? 2nd amendment says nothing about that. How come there's a background check and a waiting period? Again, nothing about that in the 2nd amendment. And how come full auto guns can't be manufactured or imported, and must all be registered in the NFA registry? Once again, nothing about that in the 2nd amendment. And what about short barreled rifles? Where in the 2nd amendment does it say that short barreled rifles are illegal? Doesn't that infringe your rights?

Gun ownership is already heavily regulated. Which makes sense, because we don't live in a freaking 18th century agrarian society anymore. It's time to adapt our laws and customs to the times and circumstances. If you don't do that, you look really silly, like Muslims or the Amish.

Quintus: People should know when they are conquered.Maximus: Would you, Quintus? Would I?

Someone needs to tell the gun nuts that they have been conquered because they are not getting the point.,

Dimensio:BHShaman: "The AK-47 and AR-15 are Assault Rifles as designated by their manufacturers. Of course we all know "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle", but "AK" stands for "Assaulti Karabina", which is Russian for, you guessed it, "Assault Rifle." These were purpose-built for being fully machine gun automatic weapons for infantrymen to kill as many enemy as possible.

The numbers indicated the size of their ammo magazines but there have been aftermarket magazines developed which will hold 30 or 100 rounds, and even a backpack that will hold 1000 rounds."

Someone knows jack shiat about firearms.Hopes the P226 I buy soon will have a 226 round magazine.

I'll get behind that Assualt Rifles exist, and they ALL have full automatic mode.Anything less than that is a glorified hunting or sporting rifle.

Many recently manufactured assault rifles feature only a limited "burst" fire operation which discharges a fixed number of ammunition rounds (greater than one) with a single trigger pull.

Hmmm, that makes more sense. I always thought the number meant how many bullets it fires at once. An AR-15 makes a smaller hole because it fires 15 bullets at once where as an AK-47 hole is more than twice as large because there's 47 bullets to make a hole. I can't imagine the size of hole 226 bullets would make.

Firearms, like automobiles, are deadly weapons if handled incorrectly and in an unsafe manner. Why aren't firearms licensed and restricted in the same manner as are automobiles?

/ I don't want to take your guns away - I'd just prefer if you'd store them safely and keep 'em away from retards and 4-yr olds.

Are you saying that you wish for a licensing system for carrying firearms in a usable condition in public (while private storage and use of firearms would remain unregulated) and where a license issued for the carrying of a firearm in one state must be honored by all other states?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x289]An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

We should give him this while we are at it. The StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle (model of 19)44" was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II that was the first of its kind to see major deployment and is considered by many historians to be the first modern assault rifle.

loaba:way south:/As to the subject: This woman made many mistakes. Combining alcohol, guns, a round in the chamber, safety off, and having the rifle pointed at her./Darwin was a-knocking and, sadly, she answered the door.

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Indeed - she did everything wrong and I tend to think that she is (was) a more accurate example of the typical gun owner. It's very fortunate that her stupidity killed only herself.

Her stupidity set her up to be killed, but I suspect someone else pulled the trigger.

Statistically she is not a typical gun owner.Female, new to rifles, and unable to divorce the weapon from the one component that makes it dangerous (the ammunition itself).She is part of the wave brought in by Obama's hamfisted approach to gun control. People who always wanted a gun but didn't grow up around them and are not familiar with their use, but now fear the government is working to take away this right for a handful of magic security beans.

The democrats didn't come to the table with negotiation on their mind. The deal that was offered was a purely one sided affair that could do nothing but panic gun rights supporters. People ran out and bought weapons before taking the steps to become familiar with the hobby, and its now against our school culture to make children familiar with weapons before they grow up to be owners.

This is the consequence of too many "good" intentions to pacify society with liberal doses of ignorance and prohibition.She panic-bought a weapon she wasn't ready to use, brought it loaded into the wrong kind of situation, and let some other moron pull the trigger. This all happened because there wasn't a monecrum of gun safety training or common sense in the entire building.

Had there been, they wouldn't have ruined a perfectly good AK by splattering blood all over it.

Launch Code:What exactly is an assualt rifle? I've been around guns all my life. Did a lot of small arms training during my 20 years in the Army. But I've never purchased or fired an assualt rifle. At least no field, training, or owners manual ever referred to any weapon as an assualt rifle. Is this just another term the looney left cooked up to scare other weak minded Americans? If you have a knife with several blades, is that considered an assualt knife? If a thug bashes in somebody's head with a bat, does that make it an assualt bat? If some terrorist blows up a group of innocent men, women and children with a bomb, is it an assualt bomb or just a bomb bomb?I understand that most libs follow the talking points of their leaders and string pullers to the letter. I also realize that most democrats do a very good job of doing what they're told, saying what they're told to say and thinking what they're told to think. How refreshing if people would do a little research and call a firearm by its correct name instead of lumping them all together and giving them a bogus label.

Assault rifle is a term used by the military, weapons specialists, and people involved in a number of fields related to firearms to describe a very specific type of weapon. Assault "weapon" is a political term that was not coined by the military or anyone who has anything to do with firearms and the term is used in laws much like those found in California.

This sort of reminds me of an experience I had. I woke up one morning and went to take a leak. I was havin a hard time seein ol' willy jr. under my beer belly. Old age and too much PBR was settin in. I figred I oughten a git me one of them there penis extendomatics. I put in a plug of my favrite tabacky and went down to the local gun show.

I found a table that had'n a AR-2000 weapon of mass assault rifle with 50,000 round drum clip magazine belt and figurd that oughten'a do the trick. I made sure the gun show loophole was in effect. I don't want a end up on any of dem gubmint drone hit lists. I bought it took it out to my diesel dually monster truck with deer head hood ornament and stuck it in the bed stock first. A round was chambered and the gun went off by itself, blowing my straw hat clean off. Soiled myself, I did.

Gaylord Fister:How come there isn't a gun license like a drivers license? One could argue that guns are equally if not more dangerous than cars.

Of course, now some retard is going to come along saying "durr but carz kil mor peepl", but you have to consider that people spend way less time handling or even operating guns than cars. If people would spend the same amount of time with guns as with cars, the numbers would probably be way closer.

So, just make it a requirement to complete a gun safety course, be able to hit a target with a certain precision and complete a written exam to get a gun license.

Also, the punishment for handling a gun while drunk should be the same as a DUI.

There is. You don't need a license to purchase, store, polish, modify, build, operate, drool over, etc. a car if you do it on private property. In that sense, guns are more regulated than cars. Take it out in public and you'll need a drivers license. In most states a special license, extra training and a background check are required to be able to carry a gun in public. If my state (CA) treated guns like they do cars it would be a huge expansion of my gun rights.

Someone should put together a Signal 30-type film that shows the real results of gun injuries, accidental or otherwise. Maybe just as a viral phenomenon it would cut down on this sort of thing. Probably difficult to do these days.

I generally stay out of the debates, but I would like to offer one small bit of constructive criticism.

Every time I read "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch" my estimation of your IQ drops by about 1/2, and I know I can't be the only one who has that reaction to that statement.

Is it so hard to say "Keep your finger off the trigger"?

It's the terminology used by instructors to explain gun safety to law enforcement trainees. So, yes. Yes it is so hard.

You'd think that the instructors would decide to take training more seriously. Obviously the hokey "make it sound cool" approach is not getting the safety message through to students.

You're BOTH retarded. Ive never seen or heard a gun instructor be anything but extremely professional and serious, anywhere, ever. Its Serious Business, and most people treat it as such.If you're joking while firearms are involved in any capacity at all, you've already made a mistake.

Relax bozo. We are commenting on the report of another farker who claimed that he did hear an instructor give such a cavalier lesson. The fact that you have not heard this type of thing is fortunate but irrelevant. The occurrence of events does not depend on you witnessing them, as you know. As for your second point concerning joking about firearm training; We agree. In fact that is precisely our point.

Firearms, like automobiles, are deadly weapons if handled incorrectly and in an unsafe manner. Why aren't firearms licensed and restricted in the same manner as are automobiles?

/ I don't want to take your guns away - I'd just prefer if you'd store them safely and keep 'em away from retards and 4-yr olds.

Whenever someone mentions this, it is pointed out that a drivers license is only required to drive vehicles on public roadways. No license is needed on private property. Nor do you need to register any vehicles that are only going to be driven only on private property.

Do you still think that it would make any difference if you required firearms to be licensed and restricted in the same manner as are automobiles?

I generally stay out of the debates, but I would like to offer one small bit of constructive criticism.

Every time I read "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch" my estimation of your IQ drops by about 1/2, and I know I can't be the only one who has that reaction to that statement.

Is it so hard to say "Keep your finger off the trigger"?

That's the way my dad told me, as well as the hundreds of Marines he instructed.Have you ever won a Cassady Cup?The people who use the expression may not be nuclear physicists, but they (not me) are quite likely to be able to shoot, and train others to shoot, proficiently.In short, your estimation means f*ck-all, in this instance.

BraveNewCheneyWorld:CrazyCracka420: sethen320: Since this is fark my guess is that a bunch of emotional, knee-jerk reactionists will tell everyone here who has ever so much as thought about guns that they are callous killers in waiting...because guns are evil. And they hate scary things...because Newtown.

Right...the people who cling to guns, bibles and large pickup trucks aren't the ones afraid of scary things...it's the liberals who are afraid of everything killing them...

Liberals own guns too. You look like a farking idiot when you pretend that it's only right wing republicans who own guns.

I never said that liberals don't own guns. I know many liberals who own firearms, but the reason they own them, isn't because they are fearful for their lives. The reasoning behind ownership is different.

Indeed - she did everything wrong and I tend to think that she is (was) a more accurate example of the typical gun owner. It's very fortunate that her stupidity killed only herself. Because all 6zillion gun owners have accidents and not something like 1%

You're proof math is not taught in the US.

-----------"at risk behavior"

Google it, read up on it. I firmly believe that the typical gun owner regularly engages in at risk behavior. Just because you treat your gun like a toy, and never succeed in hurting yourself or a family member, doesn't mean you're a paragon of safety. It just means the Gods have smiled upon you for another day.

Indeed - she did everything wrong and I tend to think that she is (was) a more accurate example of the typical gun owner. It's very fortunate that her stupidity killed only herself. Because all 6zillion gun owners have accidents and not something like 1%

You're proof math is not taught in the US.

-----------"at risk behavior"

Google it, read up on it. I firmly believe that the typical gun owner regularly engages in at risk behavior. Just because you treat your gun like a toy, and never succeed in hurting yourself or a family member, doesn't mean you're a paragon of safety. It just means the Gods have smiled upon you for another day.

Exactly. Every single person who owns (or is within a 5 mile proximity of) a gun is on borrowed time. Most (if not all) will be lucky to live to see the next hour.

Dimensio:duenor: just to say:never accept or hand over a gun that does not have the action locked open, and without first physically inserting a finger into the chamber to verify there is no round in there.

Unfortunately, the action of my AR-15 will not lock open, due to the .22LR conversion kit.

That is because you have an aftermarket conversion that was never planned for when the original firearm was designed. Even so, you should have a method of locking it open - if it does not, then I would pull the rear pin from the receiver and open the top/bottom when passing it. still not anywhere near as safe as chamber locked back and mag out, but better than just hoping.

TenJed_77:philotech: omatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

The weapon you decided to use as an example is not selecting fire; it has 1 firing mode...No the weapon he used is selective fire the switch is on the right side not the left./try again[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x241]

That is not a selector switch. YOU try again, preferably when you know what you are talking about.

I generally stay out of the debates, but I would like to offer one small bit of constructive criticism.

Every time I read "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch" my estimation of your IQ drops by about 1/2, and I know I can't be the only one who has that reaction to that statement.

Is it so hard to say "Keep your finger off the trigger"?

It's the terminology used by instructors to explain gun safety to law enforcement trainees. So, yes. Yes it is so hard.

You'd think that the instructors would decide to take training more seriously. Obviously the hokey "make it sound cool" approach is not getting the safety message through to students.

You're BOTH retarded. Ive never seen or heard a gun instructor be anything but extremely professional and serious, anywhere, ever. Its Serious Business, and most people treat it as such.If you're joking while firearms are involved in any capacity at all, you've already made a mistake.

Relax bozo. We are commenting on the report of another farker who claimed that he did hear an instructor give such a cavalier lesson. The fact that you have not heard this type of thing is fortunate but irrelevant. The occurrence of events does not depend on you witnessing them, as you know. As for your second point concerning joking about firearm training; We agree. In fact that is precisely our point.

The "booger hook" line is VERY old. It isn't a joke - it is a tool so that you will remember it very very well. And it works. Like a mnenomic device, it helps the student fix the idea in his or her memory. I too was told this line, and by more than one coach.

I'm so mad I came into this thread late. Have all the guns you want or have none at all. I don're really care. But were there really people entertaining the idea of of making gun training mandatory in schools--a building filled with teenagers who are, by definition, impulsive, hormonal, irresponsible, and, in many cases, depressed? Just give 'em all guns and hope for the best? That should end well.

TenJed_77:philotech: omatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

The weapon you decided to use as an example is not selecting fire; it has 1 firing mode...No the weapon he used is selective fire the switch is on the right side not the left./try again[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x241]

Thanks for saving me the trouble. Some people are incapable of extrapolating from the second dimension, apparently.

The Great EZE:I'm so mad I came into this thread late. Have all the guns you want or have none at all. I don're really care. But were there really people entertaining the idea of of making gun training mandatory in schools--a building filled with teenagers who are, by definition, impulsive, hormonal, irresponsible, and, in many cases, depressed? Just give 'em all guns and hope for the best? That should end well.

There is a difference between giving away free guns (like Eric Holder would do) and training kids how to be safe when using guns.If you want to reduce accidents then you have to teach people how to be safe, and school is the best place to learn common skills.

/High school gun clubs were fairly common in the days before drug dealing, school shootings, and thug life became the fashionable activities for kids.