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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

It would indicate 1) that you have no idea what you're talking about, and 2) went to the "wrong" Sound Factory, meaning the sad attempt to re-create the original Sound Factory in an entirely different location than the original one, and years after the first one closed.

It would indicate 1) that you have no idea what you're talking about, and 2) went to the "wrong" Sound Factory, meaning the sad attempt to re-create the original Sound Factory in an entirely different location than the original one, and years after the first one closed.

Nice try, no cookie.

Never claimed to be an expert on clubs.

But your statement gives away an old person. Easy to spot - only things that were around when you were young were good and original. Everything afterwards is sad and pathetic.

The first Danceteria was great, and then the second location was infamous. Third sucked.

Swissmiss Susanne Bartsch convincingly resuscitated Copacabana in the 1980's. She had done the same at the non-legendary Bentley's. Girl had a flair for this.

I hated the Roxy's makeover into a gay club because it had been so great as a hip-hop club.

The Saint at Large has sometimes achieved the excitement of the Saint say some of my friends 10 years older than me. By the time I got to the Saint, it was on its last legs and we'd scurry over to Boy Bar or Pyramid. Those two were at their peak. Besides, the Saint had been the Fillmore East. I can't imagine the Saint ever surpassing the Fillmore scene. ________________

If you don't feel these things as important, important for your pleasure and the energy of the place, then you're not really a clubber.

SNL has a great sketch on Weekend Update this year about a clubber who can only explain the weirdest and most fabulous places of the moment. There is always a fabulous place NOW.

You are right to call someone an old lady if they always complain that the new is never as good as the stuff that used to be. But that is not the same as a women of a certain age naming exactly when someplace was the right place at the right time.

The first Danceteria was great, and then the second location was infamous. Third sucked.

Swissmiss Susanne Bartsch convincingly resuscitated Copacabana in the 1980's. She had done the same at the non-legendary Bentley's. Girl had a flair for this.

I hated the Roxy's makeover into a gay club because it had been so great as a hip-hop club.

The Saint at Large has sometimes achieved the excitement of the Saint say some of my friends 10 years older than me. By the time I got to the Saint, it was on its last legs and we'd scurry over to Boy Bar or Pyramid. Those two were at their peak. Besides, the Saint had been the Fillmore East. I can't imagine the Saint ever surpassing the Fillmore scene. ________________

If you don't feel these things as important, important for your pleasure and the energy of the place, then you're not really a clubber.

SNL has a great sketch on Weekend Update this year about a clubber who can only explain the weirdest and most fabulous places of the moment. There is always a fabulous place NOW.

You are right to call someone an old lady if they always complain that the new is never as good as the stuff that used to be. But that is not the same as a women of a certain age naming exactly when someplace was the exactly the right place at the right time.

The first Danceteria was great, and then the second location was infamous. Third sucked.

Swissmiss Susanne Bartsch convincingly resuscitated Copacabana in the 1980's. She had done the same at the non-legendary Bentley's. Girl had a flair for this.

I hated the Roxy's makeover into a gay club because it had been so great as a hip-hop club.

The Saint at Large has sometimes achieved the excitement of the Saint say some of my friends 10 years older than me. By the time I got to the Saint, it was on its last legs and we'd scurry over to Boy Bar or Pyramid. Those two were at their peak. Besides, the Saint had been the Fillmore East. I can't imagine the Saint ever surpassing the Fillmore scene. ________________

If you don't feel these things as important, important for your pleasure and the energy of the place, then you're not really a clubber.

SNL has a great sketch on Weekend Update this year about a clubber who can only explain the weirdest and most fabulous places of the moment. There is always a fabulous place NOW.

You are right to call someone an old lady if they always complain that the new is never as good as the stuff that used to be. But that is not the same as a women of a certain age naming exactly when someplace was the right place at the right time.

I think the statement "Oh, I partied at the right Sound Factory" is only a testament to someone's age. Like saying they had voted in 1982 elections which were way better than 2000 elections. And comparing "their" club to another incarnation 15 years later is just another incarnation of "when I was young, grass was greener and sky was bluer".What is a club - just a place for young people to get high, dance and have a good time. Earlier ones were better because the person comparing was younger and more able to have fun. I know we had a ton of fun at SF in late 90s - can I allow that someone else had more fun at another club called SF 20 years before? Sure. But it's as relevant as comparing two Woodstocks - one from the 60s and 90s.

Boze you miss the point entirely. Miss P isn't saying that nothing new under the sun or streetlamp is exciting. The argument is that every place - restaurant, nightclub, resort, fashion fad, lifestyle, university, childrearing trend, etc. etc. etc. has its peak moment. If you went grunge in 1998 you missed the grunge moment. If you're wearing your calvins today and think you are all that, OK, but the trend energy and excitement in that brief is long gone. If you partied at the Copa in the 70s cool, if you partied at the Susanne B reboot, even cooler, but the cool wears off. The bloom goes off the rose. Take a trendy restaurant. If you can't get a reserveration the first year cause its hoarded by VIPs, and then you finally get there in the 3rd year, the vibe may be gone. In fact, the restaurant makes most of its profit on the 2nd wave of clients - rich but not VIP. Service and food may, or may not, continue up to snuff. Nobdy says you wont have a good time. But people can validly say you missed the moment.

People carve out areas of interest in which they are wiling to play the trendster game. The reward it the excitment of being in. This doesn't have to be New York Nighclubs. Every 10 years or so there is a shift in the MOST desireable elite university, and which one for which group. For 10 years now people have been flocking to the World Economic Forum. Maybe next year, the bloom will be off, and it continues another 5. So if you go to the WEF in 2012, you've missed it, maybe all the excitement is at TED.

Knowing which was the best Sound Factory, and being part of it, this has value to Miss P. If this sort of thing has no value to you, you haven't included nightclubbing on your list of experiences in which trendiness and peak experience is important.

Some people, for instance, take pride in home baking Someone is going to bake you the birthday cake of your life. You can't come back to that person and say, well, there's a chocolate mousse number I love at the local supermarket....

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I have not wanted to say anything up to now, but enough is enough. Hijacking a thread, especially to this extent, is bad form. Not everyone who opens the thread up for updates wants to read all this extraneous stuff. I for one am not the least bit interested and this is my thread.

Even though it does not make a difference as far as the merits of the case, I don't think they mention anywhere whether the job applicant is actually HIV-positive or not. I realize it's beside the point but I was still wondering.

Hammond's HIV obsession goes way back. We hear that a few years ago she interviewed a man for a position as a butler at her apartment just off Park Avenue. She asked him if he was gay (which by itself is a big employment no no). When he said yes, she freaked out about the possibility that he had HIV and told him he'd have to get an HIV test from her husband, a doctor, before being hired.

There are about three dozen things wrong with this. But on the upside: If you ever meet anyone who works for Dana Hammond, you've essentially got carte blanche to have a bunch of unprotected sex with them! The worst you're going to get is herpes.