Well, it is kinda our responsibility as we created the state. It also is one of only a handful of countries in that area friendly with us. Then there is the irony that it came into being again 2000+ years after being dissolved with a prophecy that it would be put back together and be the center of a lot of strife and issues. Must be more coincidence...

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April 4th, 2011, 9:40 am

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Re: Qur'an burning plan still on: pastor

Not really... I answered the question. There are three main reasons why people supportIsreal and I mentioned the 3 reasons without getting into the details. They on the other hand took it upon themselves to take the opposing viewpoint and mistreat reality. I was neither denegrading someone elses viewpoint nor trying to prove another one. Wagas, please look at context...

He is an idiot... no question... but even if he is dumb enough to do that, aren't the morons that made a mess in their own country even dumber? The dumb ticking off the even more stupid? They are the ones that actually KILLED someone... why blame this idiot? You can't account for what others do, it's their responcability in this case not his.

He is an idiot... no question... but even if he is dumb enough to do that, aren't the morons that made a mess in their own country even dumber? The dumb ticking off the even more stupid? They are the ones that actually KILLED someone... why blame this idiot? You can't account for what others do, it's their responcability in this case not his.

First, I didn't blame him for the killing - please point out where in my statement where I did. Second, I just said he was an idiot - glad we agree on that. We also agree that the one's actually doing the killing are to blame.

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Re: Qur'an burning plan still on: pastor

Let me make my statement on this.....

The pastor burned a book. I don't care if he burned the Quran, the Bible or a Sears Catalog....he burned a book, and in THIS country, people are allowed to do that. Right or wrong, it is protected and allowed. When some moron over here from ANOTHER country burns our flag, we don't kill them (though I'd like to). Shouldn't THEY be concerned for their safety? They know they don't have to be, so they do it just to piss off Americans who love their country.

Was his move a smart one? No. But only in so far as it proves nothing to anyone in its act. Nobody in the United States, other than a handful of his "followers" are going to applaud him or support him. He burned a book....big deal.

The true issue here is that Muslims in another country took offense to it, and killed innocent people as a result. Should a pastor over here burning a book be worried about that? Truly, I don't believe he should be. He exercised his right to do it in a country that protects his right to do so. If he had done it over there, they would have likely killed him, and I would have said "so what?".

I'm sick to death of hearing about how Muslims get offended at the slightest thing, but their killings, destruction of Christian objects or places, etc. is perfectly OK. I said in a post before that I'll draw a picture of Mohammed on a piece of toilet paper and wipe my badonkadonk with it....and if some Muslim happens to read this and doesn't like it, then I DARE you to come and do something about it. You'll meet Allah and your 72 virgins shortly thereafter. Dress nice for the occasion and put on some cologne...virgins like it when you smell nice, and you likely wont' smell very good.

What other governments need to do is stop allowing things like this to happen. You want to practice Islam, then great, do so in a manner which does not pose a risk to someone else. If they can't do that, begin arresting and executing them in droves. Muslims grow in population, and the next thing you know they want the government to do their bidding according to Sharia law, which is ridiculous. Muslims don't want to assimilate into a country, they want to conquer it. Whether that takes two years or two centuries, that IS their agenda.

Secondly, I would like to see our government take the following actions:1. Close all U.S. Embassies in nations that are known to house and support Muslim radicals and extremists. Get our people out, and give fair warning to any other U.S. citizens that are working or living there. Get out or risk death.2. Stop buying products from those same nations, whether it be oil or anything else. We have more oil than them, and everyone knows it.3. Stop any aid given to those countries, and stop sales of products to them. Let's see them stand on their own. Last time I heard, nothing grows in the desert except sand and camel crap piles.4. Execute any radical Muslims that we have placed in our jails. No reason for the American taxpayer to care for them. Kill 'em and send back in small boxes. Make sure the boxes are filled with pork byproducts when you do.5. Locate and deport any illegal immigrants known to have ties with these nations or Muslim radical organizations. If they don't agree to leave, dust 'em.

I am TIRED of America playing the "politically correct" card, in every way shape or form. I'm tired of trying to play nice and trying to appease these idiots. They want to play rough, then let's lower ourselves to their standards and make them aware of why we are the greatest AND strongest country on planet Earth. They want to meet Allah, I say we present the opportunity for them to do so, right now.

I know most of you will laugh at this, or will answer with stuff about how we can't due this because.....and that's fine. But I'm being perfectly honest and blunt in telling you, you're wasting your breath (or fingers, as the case may be) as I won't change my outlook. I don't think the pastor was very smart in what he did, but making excuses for the actions of the murderers abroad is a slap in the face to Reason. I know people on this forum don't excuse their actions, but there ARE people in America who do, and feel that the pastor should be blamed. Those people need a wake up call.

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April 5th, 2011, 2:21 pm

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Re: Qur'an burning plan still on: pastor

M2K, you need to stop holding back and let us know what you really think!

Wow, M2K! I thought I was the resident hate-mongering, intolerant, violent, radical, extremist of the board, but you've even got me beat. Congrats!

While I agree with most of what you said, I can't advocate rounding them up and killing them, even though the thought has crossed my mind. However, anyone who wants to throw out the Constitution in favor of Sharia law needs to be kicked out of this country ASAP. There are plenty of countries around the world that practice it, so they ought to live where they'd be happier. And if they come back, ship them straight to Gitmo where they'll never be heard from again.

Now, if they choose to get violent about it, then my previous statement no longer applies. Even though I no longer serve in the military, I still adhere to my oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. If they choose to get stupid about it, I'd be more than happy to send them to Allah and their 72 virgins, and wouldn't even think twice about it. The same thing applies to the far left socialists/commies. If they choose to get violent over destroying the Constitution, then it's time to lock and load. And as I like to tell those idiots, my side has more guns. Another thing I like to say is that if they want to start it, I'll be more than happy to finish it for them.

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April 5th, 2011, 9:15 pm

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Re: Qur'an burning plan still on: pastor

Look, there are people who practice Islam that are peaceful folks. I have no issues with them. They can pray, they can even burn a flag, it's their right. I'll defend that right for them, even if I don't agree with it. But when they get all upset about the burning of a book, or the creation of a comic, or of a teacher naming a pet Mohammed, and as a result start making death threats, that's when my blood boils and I say "bring it". It's a book, it's a cartoon, it's a name. Get over it if you want to live here. If you don't like it, head East until you get to the lady holding the torch, and swim for it from there. You came here, I assume, to enjoy freedoms. Freedoms aren't free, you take the good with the bad. It's a compromise. Don't expect everyone else to sacrifice for you, yet you won't change your ways. Speak the English language, practice your religion, let others practice theirs, and if someone burns a book, or draws a cartoon, or names a pet, and you don't like it, shut the Hell up and move on. Grow a thicker skin, or get out.

My problem is that globally it seems like Muslims are given a pass. Nobody upset them or they may send some 16 year old brainwashed girl with a bomb strapped to her belly into a marketplace. They've started problems all over the world. In every city where they are a majority, it becomes an issue. In Hamtramck, the Muslims complained about church bells ringing on Sunday, something that has taken place for over a century, so it was stopped or the volume levels had to be reduced. Yet they demanded that 5 times a day, every day, their "call to prayer" had to be loud enough so everyone in that city can hear it.

Sorry, but if you are so fukking stupid you can't remember when to pray, then screw you twice with a redhot crowbar. Set your watch or your alarm clock, you retarded bastards. Don't force everyone else in the city to listen to what amounts to the sounds of a dinosaur dying in the Labrea Tarpits....that's basically what that crap sounds like. You can't listen to church bells once a week, but everyone else has to listen to that garbage every day, five days a week?!

Christianity can't be taught in prisons, but Islam can. That makes PERFECT sense. Don't teach the religion that preaches tolerance and love, preach the one that says kill someone who offends you, kill someone that doesn't believe in the same things you do, teach the religion that says killing a rape victim as an adulteress is normal, and that women in general are beneath contempt. Teach an already violent prison population that violence is the means to an end, then let them out on parole and expect that they have been rehabilitated. Now not only will they rape the woman, but they'll kill her too and say it was their religious right to do so.

Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is Christ-like, me foremost among them. But I don't go around killing people because they named their dog Jesus, or because they burned a Bible, or because they drew some stupid cartoon with Jesus in it. And the last time I checked, no Christians have done that lately either. They haven't even put out a death threat over such things.

Peaceful Muslims, I have no issues with. Extremists....well, I hope they get their wish and die...but I hope they die alone, in pain and over a long period of time. Once they are dead, I hope the 72 virgins are ugly as sin, stink to high Heaven, and do nothing but whine at them for eternity while these stupid bastards are tied down in the middle of a pig farm where the animals get to urinate and defecate on them for the rest of their afterlife. That sounds like suitable existence for them.

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This might be the wrong thread to post this in, but the Religion of Peace strikes again:

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Shari’a law to blame for stoning of young Muslim beauty contest competitor?posted at 4:05 pm on May 31, 2011 by Tina Korbe

When Katya Koren, a 19-year-old Muslim girl growing up in the Crimea region of Ukraine, entered a beauty contest, she couldn’t possibly have known what would result.

According to her friends, she just liked to wear fashionable clothes. The judges awarded her seventh place — but three young Muslims allegedly thought she deserved a different finish. Koren was brutally stoned to death.

Her battered body was buried in a forest and was found a week after she disappeared.

Police have opened a murder investigation and are looking into claims that three Muslim youths killed her, claiming her death was justified under Islam.

One of the three – named as 16-year-old Bihal Gaziev – is under arrest and told police that Katya had ‘violated the laws of Sharia.’ Gaziev has said he has no regrets about her death.

In an area governed by Shari’a law, Koren’s decision to compete in a beauty competition might actually be against the law. It seems relatively safe to say Shari’a includes no specific edict against pageants, but the Quran enjoins modesty without actually defining it. That means, in some places, some could construe Shari’a to prohibit such competitions.

Appallingly, in those places where Katya’s status as a beauty contest competitor might be considered against the law, the youths’ stoning of her might even be considered acceptable, said Andy Cochran, who runs the site 7thAmendmentAdvocate.org.

“In areas governed by strict Shari’a, it could, especially if the youths sought a ruling from a local imam first,” he explained.Certainly, adultery is an offense considered in some places to be punishable by stoning — but a beauty competition seems a very, very far cry from adultery.

At any rate, talking about Shari’a is ”like talking about state law, without ever asking what state,” according to American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Michael Rubin, who writes regularly about issues related to the Middle East. “There is no universally accepted standardized Shari’a.”In the end, it was sheer radicalism — not some subtle or advanced understanding of Shari’a — that led Gaziev to say what he said and to do what he presumably did.“You’re talking about ignoramuses who are spood-fed Saudi-inspired radicalism and accept it blindly,” Rubin said in an e-mail.

And because Katya’s murder occurred in Ukraine, what matters more than what Shari’a has to say about modesty is what the Ukrainian authorities have to say about the case.

“Murder is murder,” Rubin wrote. “I would hope the Ukrainians would send them to the gallows.”

Still, Koren’s heart-breaking death is a reminder to cherish the culture of freedom we enjoy in the U.S., where just last year Rima Fakih became the first Muslim to be crowned Miss USA — to no real controversy. (Later, when Fakih spoke out against the proposed Ground Zero mosque, she found herself on the receiving end of criticism, but her participation in the pageant itself was rewarded by nothing except an enviable prize package and a Mikimoto crown.)

As Cochran puts it, “The Bill of Rights, which was first based on the Magna Carta signed in 1215, has led to a system of procedures fair to all parties, such as the use of juries in criminal and civil cases and standard procedures for each type of case. That system has been a beacon to societies around the world, for which men and women of all races, creeds and colors have fought and died.”