Do you think there were any great civilizations before 4,016 BC?

Dr. John Lightfoot, a 17th century Anglican clergyman. He estimated that Adam and Eve plus creation occurred during 4004 BCE

My vote Yes No.1 I think the earth is older than 6016 years old and the reson why ....

1.Jericho in the Levant, Neolithic from around 8350 BC, arising from the earlier Epipaleolithic Natufian culture. Çatalhöyük in Turkey, 7500 BC Mehrgarh in South Asia, 7000 BC Göbekli Tepe in Turkey, ca. 9000 BC. Nevali Cori in Turkey, ca. 8000 BC. Circa 10,000 BC– Beginning of Jomon era in JapanCirca 10,000 BC– first traces of population in Randaberg, NorwayCirca 10,000 BC– corresponds to the star configurations of this time period, but carbon dating suggest 3000BC AfricaCirca 10,000 BC– Suggested earlier date for origin of Sphinx in Egypt AfricaCirca 10,000 BC– Early sickle blades & grinding disappear, replaced by hunting, fishing and gathering peoples who use stone tools EgyptCirca 10,000 BC– Over a period of 50 years polar temperatures rise close to 60 degrees AntarcticaCirca 10,000 BC– Cave sites for human habitation are used by the Caspian Sea AsiaCirca 10,000 BC– The Jomon people of Japan use pottery, fish, hunt and gather acorns, nuts and edible seeds. 10k known sites. JapanCirca 10,000 BC– Pottery appears for the first time in Japan, similar pottery use not found in Near East till 3500 years later AsiaCirca 10,000 BC– Three or more linguistic groups sharing a common political and cultural way of life. MesopotamiaCirca 10,000 BC– Sumerian and Semitic speaking peoples are part of this early grouping of peoples. MesopotamiaCirca 10,000 BC– Armenoid can be found from Hungary to Polynesia (many Islands). Mediterraneon in originCirca 10,000 BC– Sumerian-Sematic myths and legends all point to their ancestral homeland as southern Mesopotamia.Circa 10,000 BC– People began to collect wild wheat and barley likely to make malt then beer Iraq Turkey SyriaCirca 10,000 BC– Mesopotamia, Nile, Indus Valley, and Jomon is among the earliest pottery cultures of the world. JapanCirca 10,000 BC– Early evidence for pottery, usually associated with the rise of agriculture and sedentary living KoreaCirca 10,000 BC– Clovis (11,500-12,500 BP) Folsom (10,500-11,000 BP), and Plano (8,000-10,500 BP) cultures, North AmericaCirca 10,000 BC– Neolithic prehistoric statues were made, which were discovered in Nevali Cori and Göbekli Tepe near Urfa in modern-day eastern Turkey,Circa 10,000 BC– Azilian people occupied Southern France and Northern Spain. The Azilian or Painted Pebble culture is also found in Spain France Switzerland Belgium and ScotlandCirca 10,000 BC– Lapps occupied northern Europe and intermarried with the peoples in Norway Finland Sweden and RussiaCirca 10,000 BC– Magdalenian culture flourished in France with their cave paintingsSometime before 9000 BC– First stone structures at Jericho, built during the pre-agricultural Natufian culture period

YES- if the Earth is older than 6016 years old.

No- if the Earth's plants, animals, humans and rock of ages all began 6016 years old

what kind of question is this?...even majority of christians barring minority 2-5% would believe that world is as young as 6k...when human history is so long obviously there would be many great civilizations in the process..

I have seriously considered it, to be honest. Reckon I never would though. My husband and I talked about it when we get finished with the children, but besides my patriotism, I'd miss my family way too much.

It is just an estimate of an Anglican clergyman; others are not bound by him and are free to have their own estimates.

Bible is not a good source to fix dates of the events; it is very poor in this aspect. The clergy can take things literally where the context states clearly it is only metaphorical; and the vice versa; after all they are sinful clergy.

Adam was the first person to receive Word of Revelation from the Creator-God; of course there were human beings before Adam and Eve; his advent was an epoch making event of man. The Truthful Religion does not stress on dates; it stresses on the ethical, moral and spiritual aspects of human life and explains it to make it purposeful.

We spoke about this in an archaeology class I took a few years ago. According to the theory, the Esrth is in its second "season". God created the Earth around 6000 years ago. Then the great flood hit destroying everything about 2000 years ago. The "current" Earth is only 4000 years old in that case. One piece of evidence supporters of this theory use is that records of written language only go back 4000 years. There is no evidence of a written language before that.

I would have to say that the Earth is much much older. There is evidence like fossils. Just because man didn't write anything down prior to 4000 years ago doesn't mean the Earth is only 4000 years old. Maybe man was busy. Maybe the early civilizations were full of procrastinists. Or they were just waiting for someone to invent a hubpages so they could write.

The city of UR Babylon started the first Language 5200 years ago and the Noah’s flood 4500 OR years ago I can’t tell by their records. All I know is 95% of the species who ever lived on earth are missing and their families must be very disappointed

Men were created already knowing how to read and write - how else could they read God's stone tablets?

The problem was not lack of HP, however. The first stone tablets were not only very difficult to produce (it took a team of oxen to carry one book) but the most of those that were made were thrown into a volcano (book burning does not work well on stone tablets). A few were broken up and a small handful were placed into the ark of the covenant which is securely hidden in the national museum, never to be seen again.

In addition, all the cuneiform tablets were left out in the rain by Eve and destroyed.

Haha yea I've been stopping by occasionally. Starting to hub a bit more since my light show tuts aren't making me as much as they used to (granted they've gotten me thousands in free lights/events tickets + some minimal adsense). I'll be around more often. Job is paying the bills but it's got potential for huge payout so we'll see...

I am constantly amazed at the complete ignorance of so many people that I have met in this world who have absolutely no idea on anything else in the world that is not directly relevant to their own day to day life.

I have traveled right through the States and taken the time to meet a wide cross section of people there and in other places on earth. I remember talking to an Amish family in Lincoln County PA. They could not fathom that life existed beyond their state. They did not believe that I had traveled over 14000 miles to be in their space.

If you travel, if you open your eyes and your minds, you have absolutely no reason to even waste your time on such a blind subject that you are speculating on here.

If you get off your bum and travel, you actually do yourself a favor and find out first hand how much you do not know.. instead of wasting life trying to show others how much you think you know!

Walk the African continent, visit the heart of Australia, as there you will find how truly insignificant this ignorant bliss is, when a 95 year old Aborigine lady shows you 10,000 years of recorded tribal history - In Their Language and bloodlines.

Believe me (which you will not, as it is contrary to your belief) - You know Nothing when what you believe you 'know' is measured off against All the knowledge and wisdom that is available to every living person who takes the time to learn - by getting off their bums and seeing it first hand. The experience that can be gained from meeting and listening to people from other cultures, who have No Reason to be pretentious, are Open Minded and prepared to show you their world.. you will understand the benefit of getting out there!

You will be humbled... perhaps that is why many won't do anything except speculate! Speculation is afterall, merely an excuse for not having the courage to learn the things you don't know - First Hand!

@OP... my reference to 'you' in this post is one of (people) in a general.

Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden until they were kicked out. Who knows how long after creation they were in there. There is no way to conclude the age of the Earth based on the Biblical account of Genesis.I'm not sure how people come up with the age factor of ancient civilizations but it is a well known fact that carbon dating is an inconclusive source.

Onusonus has stop a shut out, I wonder, out of half of Americans that believes the world is less than 10,000 years old, What percentage actually believes the earth is only 6016 years old?, Onusonus does.

The method generally employed in determining the age of earth through biblical texts is to count generations and the ages of the ancient patriarchs. Fourteen generations between most of the major occurrences. Very imperfect method. Most don't even know how to interpret what they are reading. A recent archaelogical dig in S. Turkey has unearthed a major city, estimated to be twice the age of Sumer. The odd thing is, is that it is believed that the city was buried on PURPOSE!

It is a yes I am a Christian and i know the Earth is very old, older the 6000 years. Lets see what the Bible says about this.

Genesis Ch 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word WAS translates in the Hebrew (haw-yaw) which means "To become" So Versus 2 should be read And the earth "became void.If it became Void there had to be something here that was destroyed.Psalms 104 talks about a flood that destroyed the earth and its inhabitance. This could not be Noah’s flood because Noah’s flood took months to recede. In psalms 104:7 God tells the water to recede and it receded immediately. It did not take months.In Genesis 1:28 God tells Adam to go and replenish the earth. If you are replenish something there had to be something there prior to this.

In 2 Corinthians 12:2 I talks about John Being Caught up to the 3rd heaven age (Revelation 21 where it talks about a new heaven and a new earth.) This is after the Satan is thrown into the pit.

So the First Heaven & earth age was when Satan tried to over throw God. That age was destroyedThe second began with Adam.The 3rd will begin in the eternity when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and heaven and earth is renew

There was no census documented anywhere in the Roman empire for that year (excpet for in Luke); and in any case there's no reason why they'd be required to travel back to the family's place of origin.

King David did not exist, but is a later invention for the purposes of giving divine heritage to the united Judea and Israel (which are unlikely to have been united until much later in history). It's a nice story, but it aint true.

The bible is used to look for archeological dig sites fairly regularly because it's a written record where very few others exist - many archeological dig sites correspond to the bible; quite a few don't. Unfortunately a lot of archeology brings into dispute the claims made by the people who ultimately scribed the bible.

The archeology suggests that King David did not exist, that Judea and Israel were not combined until much later than the bible claims, that the early Israelites were actually polytheists (they believed that god had a wife, for instance) and it shows that the Israelites did not come from Egypt and that according to the historical record they devolved their religion from the earlier Canaanites that the bible tries so hard to belittle.

In 1993 (as told in the March/April 1994 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review), Avraham Biran and his team of archaeologists unearthed a piece of stone with fragments of writing on it. In the writings was the words "House of David" It was the first mention of David in ancient inscription outside the Bible. The fragment was found at Tel Dan which lies by the head waters of the jordan (define jordan) River, near Israel's northern border. The large piece of basalt was part of what must have been a large monumental inscription. It contains 13 lines, but no single line is complete. The surviving letters are clear, however. Line 9 contains the words "House of David". After the complete translation, it was determined that the fragment was part of a victory stela erected in Dan by an Aramean boasting a military victory over the House of David. Many questions are raised as well as many possibilities upon comparing the fragment with the Biblical history. For instance the victory of the Aramean would conflict with the episode in the Bible. However as BAR points out, there were probably many battles and not all were recorded in the Bible. We do know that Israel must have regained control of Dan. This find would perhaps seem simple and to the point, but that is far from the truth. The find began a debate in earnest.

As it is currently reconstructed, the inscription describes the defeat of both Joram, king of Israel, and Ahaziyahu, king of Judah, by a king of Aram-Damascus in the ninth century BCE. It reads in part:

Now the king of Israel entered formerly in the land in my father’s land; [but] Hadad made me myself king, and Hadad went in front of me; [and] I departed from [the] seven [ . . . ] of my kingdom; and I slew seve[nty ki]ngs, who harnessed thou[sands of cha]riots and thousands of horsemen. [And I killed Jo]ram, son of A[hab,] king of Israel, and [i] killed [Ahazi]yahu, son of [Joram, kin]g of the House of David; and I set [their towns into ruins ? . . . the ci]ties of their land into de[solation ? . . . ] . . . other and to overturn all their cities ? . . . and Jehu] [ru]led over Is[rael . . . ] siege upon [ . . . ]

Scholars have debated over the Tel Dan for the last 20 years. It paints a much more sketchy picture than you suggest (or the quote suggests, it's had some... work) - I urge you to look at the actual inscription and decide for yourself. It doesn't make a lot of sense writte as "House of David". This isn't to say that a lot of ancient history isn't sketchy - but the tel dan was inscribe 200 years after David's supposed death.

What's less open to interpretation is the lack of evidence in the archeological record. There are no historical artifacts from his reign or mentions of him in script. There's masses of evidence for people who were reigning Israel just 150 years later. Why the blank? There's also a lot of evidence for cultures living at the same time as David's reign; the Philistines for example, who are belittled continually by the bible, but left a far bigger dent in the record than whoever was in Israel and Judea at the same time - the two states were probably not combined until long after.

"Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden until they were kicked out. Who knows how long after creation they were in there. There is no way to conclude the age of the Earth based on the Biblical account of Genesis.I'm not sure how people come up with the age factor of ancient civilizations but it is a well known fact that carbon dating is an inconclusive source."

If you read your bible it tells you how long Adam and Eve lived after they were booted from the garden.

I do believe that there were many great civilizations before then. We don't know what was before what we have found the earth is to old and has seen more things and creations then we will ever know she holds all of the answers we just don't know how to read them

I am a Christian and i know the Earth is very old, older the 6000 years. Lets see what the Bible says about this.

Genesis Ch 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word WAS translates in the Hebrew (haw-yaw) which means "To become" So Versus 2 should be read And the earth "became void.If it became Void there had to be something here that was destroyed. Psalms 104 talks about a flood that destroyed the earth and its inhabitance. This could not be Noah’s flood because Noah’s flood took months to recede. In psalms 104:7 God tells the water to recede and it receded immediately. It did not take months.In Genesis 1:28 God tells Adam to go and replenish the earth. If you are replenish something there had to be something there prior to this.

In 2 Corinthians 12:2 I talks about John Being Caught up to the 3rd heaven age (Revelation 21 where it talks about a new heaven and a new earth.) This is after the Satan is thrown into the pit.

So the First Heaven & earth age was when Satan tried to over throw God. That age was destroyed The second began with Adam.The 3rd will begin in the eternity when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and heaven and earth is renew

For the record I was talking about a civil war that directly relates to me, not one that happened 2000 miles away across an ocean.

Do you ever look at a post and think, "is this guy is being facetious and trying to wind someone up. Can he actually think that WWII is the same as a nintendo games console? is he really critising the acropolis for not having a roof?"

You should look again at my posts, apply the above cynicism, then use it as a touchstone to assess whether any future posts are just a wind up or not.

Recent history has change since Bush claimed UK as their best friend because the oil. Canadian trades more with USA than all of Europe combine until our trades really sucked and we end up breaking our peace tradition anyways and join the war later.

Humans existed before Adam and Eve; Adam was the first person to have direct convers with the Creator-God with a Message from Him for guidance of his people.There could be many Adams in different parts of the world; all human beings are not off springs of one Adam and Eve.

agreed that all human beings are not off springs of one adam and eve...but conversing with god is myth...because in 0.2 million year civilization if god conversed with adam or adams so later , either god is lousy or it is mere stories...

Don't you just think you're over-complicating things for religious purposes? Humans have been on this planet for a quarter of a million years - why leave it 98% of this timeline before getting into contact with Adam and Eve.

I don't see any complications; Adam was a symbol of an epoch making turn in the human history; man through millions of years of evolution set in motion by the Creator-God, was now capable and thoght mature enought to receive direct Converse from the Creator-God.

This seems an exceptionally sophisticated metaphor for the people writing in the late bronze age. What else is a metaphor? King David almost certainly didn't exist; Jesus certainly wasn't born when the texts say he was; A great flood never happened; the creation of the world didn't happen anywhere like the bible says.

Are we to read all of these as metaphors, or are there certain elements of the bible we are meant to read as fact?

98% was not left out or what every %. It is all right there for you, as long as you read. The Bible is used to pull the people of this age to receiving Jesus as their Lord and savior. This is what brings salvation. everything else is secondary. But the answers you are looking for Superwags is in the bible. You just have to take the time and look.

Each Religion wants to lead people to believe their Religion is the origin of the earth and all people. Yet not one religion can come close to connecting people's cultures and other earthlings worldwide and how it connects them all together.

Bush must have had a hell of lot of hillbillies’ rednecks, hicks, Bible belt type and people who love to blow stuff up. In order to voted for Bush twice in America?

Congratulation, you have won the human race a trip down Earth's memory lane. The Yes men and Women and older souls have won 5 to 1

The only No was not sure

Onusonus as of the latest, statedLet me clarify; it could be much older, but I don't think civilizations predate the estimated time of Adam and Eve. Earth= very old Mankind= 6000(give or take) years ago.

When it is written that God made everything in six Days, and the 7th Day he rested. Dose any one here fell Onusonus answer of No should be disqualified. Due to it is not written as the same in the Bible and as Onusonus views do not match

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