JXF
Dan there are ideas that Merlin as you say; who was Arthur's High Priest did
indeed have a machine to move the stones and or as you say some kind of
"wind instrement". I think that Bill Cooper is of oppinion that
Stonehenge was built in the sixth century AD But then we have the opinions of http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/arthurchapter7.htm
that that stone henge was built about 800 BC and the Greeks knew of its existence
in 300 BC. They also allege that the phoenicians opened up the trade routes at
this time. However if Bronze was discovered in Cornwall and has any basis in
fact with the legend "of the sword in the stone" then I would say that
tradition might well have some bearing on Brutus who landed in Totness in 1104
BC. John

DJ

What bearing would it have on Brutus? Meaning that there would be a
reference to Brutus's group having discovered it and documenting it when
surveying the new land if it was here before them.

Have you done any research to trace this type of megalithic building
throughout the world? There are similar megalithic building systems as
far away as Japan and the Polynesian Islands. Was there an early
seafaring group of Japephit that spread this type of building? The Ainu
in Japan were different racially than the latter settlers and they were white.
Did the Phonecians carry this megalithic building to other areas? They
must have had megalithic technology because Bylos in Lebanon contains huge
stones that we can not even move today--14x66 feet--huge! Some of
the Celts have Phonecian ancestory---is this the connection we are looking
for?

There is even Celtic buildings in New England.

I read in one book that the way that the megalithic structures were built is
that they made mounds of soil and then pulled the stones to the top of the
mounds and were thus able to stack the stones. When they were done they
removed the soil. What do you think of this. Was this a latter
method used after earlier technology was lost or just something someone is
guessing at?

Are there any good sources of information on the 'wind instrument"?

Have you read about the Bhuddist priests who levitated stones in (was it Tibet
or Nepal?)

JXF TO CRAIG WHITE
I think that we have done well however to include the Neanderthal/Cromagnon
in the imediate post flood rapid ice age and as a decendent of Adam and Noah
suffering with Rickets . and indeed Dr Jack Cuozzo is an expert on Neanderthal
who has written the book on Neanderthal "Burried Alive". However
what I'd like to ask you at the present moment is "When do you think that
stonehenge was built. There was a migration of Indoeuropeans to Ireland and
Britain in 2520 annomundi and 1484 BC accompanied at the same time by the
formorians (Mesolithic industry) as their typicle imliments and weopens from
Tory Island will testify and there is a possibility that they may
have been the last neanderthals in Britain and for that matter Ireland.; It
seems to me that Brutus is not mentioned in present British Israel
litrature but always used to be and was assigned to him ie Brutus at 2900
annomundi and 1104 BC for the early Bronze industry in Britain and 1145
BC in Ireland under Nemed. So Why have http://www.consciousevolution.com/Rennes/arthurchapter7.htm
said that the Bronze age did'nt start untill 800 BC when the Phoenicians
opened up the trade routs. I have exercised caution on the date of 1484 BC and
this industry was chalcolithic and neolithic at the same time contemporary
with the fomorians who reached Ireand and Britain at the same time. John

JXF

John Hext-Fremlin <johnhextfremlin@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Dan I have some interesting inf for you on "Levitaion " from a book
I have
by Denis Peterson "Unlocking the Mysteries of Creation" and There's
an
amazing report from Tibet. "In a recent book from Playfair and Hill; A
Sweedish aircraft engineer named HenryKjellson wittnessed an awsome
ceremoney conducted by Tibeten priests at the bas of a sheer rock cliff in
the mountains; scores of men had gathered together to take their parts in
the dramatic scene. Groups of them were carefully arranged in a semi circle
equippedwith large suspended drums and others with speciall trumpets (as it
the case with the walls of Jerico and Joshua for example). As the ceremoney
proceeded the drum beats and trumpet blasts were directed at the centre of
the semi circle in front of the Cliff . A four foot block of rock was
positioned there. The corporate noise of the assembled instruments must have
been very deafening; but after a whilethe heavy chunk of rock weighing
several tons was seen ascending the cliff" in the air straight up to the
top
of the cliff" which is unexplanable by natural laws . But notice a report
from the popular "Omni " Magazine in november 1980. According to
this Nassa
scientists have succeeded in using sound waves to levitate glass pellets or
metal. Could ther be realms of technology which we have to yet
"rediscover"? In Solomon's words: "There is no rememberence of
former things
and there's nothing new underthe sun. It has already been in ancient times
before us." so it seems given this sought of technology that stone henge
or
the stones "thereof" could have been moved by exactly this method or
perhaps
by giants. Sorry about getting behind with my emails ownly I had to study
those other papers that you sent me especially the one on the formorians
that was most facinating and it does indeed seem to prove Charles Kimball
correct about the formores being more correctly Neanderthal "Hibrids".
As
for the other guy I don't know what he means when he sugests that some
neanderthals were "sterile". This is nonsense on his part and I
don't aggree
with his unacceptable time line of 60,000 to 500,000 years ago. As for being
stuck on Ussher's time line I would aggree to keepimg an open mind and
looking at what other people are saying about the age of the world but at
the same time as I've said before and with the greatest respect Dan is as
Bill Cooper says to quote him: He said to me : "Let that; The Biblical
chronology set the standard by which all other chronologies are set
(Ussher's chronology) and let the bible be firm and "Every human
speculation
a "Jelley" ". and these Dan are the exact words he said to me.
I cannot
stress enough the danger of going down a slippery slope and using an
"extended chronology or adding to Ussher's because once we go down that
road
we would keep on wanting to alter the chronology because it might be "out
of
date". That to me is an absurd way of looking at it. I am quite happy to
look at what other people might be saying about the age of the earth; but if
you go back before 4004 BC this leads to gaps and could severely undermine
the dates for Abraham. So as I say if one date is wrong then all of them are
and that is why I will with the greatest respect compromise with Ussher's
chronology and that for me is the standard and anchor by which all other
chronologies are set. Mike Gascoigne for example claims to uphold Ussher's
chronology but in his table he gives 3963 BC as the date of creation and he
is well out on the date for Partholan whom he dates at 1969 annomundi and
2035 BC which is vastly different to Bill Cooper who puts it at 1484 BC and
this is a gap of over 500 years so where does Mike Gascoigne get his date of
2035 BC from in the 21st year after Abraham. Ussher's annals and Genesis
place Abraham at 2008 am and 1996 BC. I'll send the one on the formores to
Mike Fischer and it is interesting that this paper said they were on Tory
Island just exactly as I predicted as I know this will interest him. One
thing I would ask you Dan : Do you have my stone artifact photo I sent to
you as an attachment? John

DJ

I have read a number of different accounts of this (Tibet) levitation feat
and I have Dennis Petersen's book. I have talked to him a number of
times
on the phone. I like Dennis. He is not afraid to challenge the
traditional
paradigm. I am aware of all of this, Omni, Solomon's words, Tibet and
much
more such as antigravity, vortex technology, classified military technology,
electromagnetic/static/gravity technology, etc. Keep digging... and we
may
see a common thread.

Formorians or Formores--I don't see the connection to Neanderthals. Why
is
there a connection? What evidence?

I do not think giants moved the stones.

Arch Bishop Usher his time line is just one of many which attempt to use the
scriptures to set up a time line. The real slippery slope is sticking to
one person's verson (or deifying Arch Bishop Usher) to the exclusion of
others who have also attempted to create chronologies as well using the
scriptures. If, "Arch"y is wrong and we are excluding all the
other time
lines then we lost ground on trying to move closer to the truth. Right?
That is why I sent you the Wikipedia list of possible chronologies. You
have to convince me that Archies is the best (for that matter they are
probably all wrong). Many creation scientists have recently come up with
alternative Chronologies that they believe are more accurate than Archies.
I think you should examine them all and look at their arguments and then
come to a conclusion and even then still keep an open mind. Archie is
not a
Holy Grail that is to be deified. He is just a person, who is prone to
make
mistakes.

I thought I sent you a reply email concerning the artifact photo. It
looks
old, as if its original shape has been altered by years of chemical/physical
erosion of its original shape. I do not have the expertise to tell you
if
it is a net weight or a arrow straightener. The Native Americans had a
notched out flat rock that they slide the arrow shaft back and forth over to
straighten it. I think it is less likely to be an arrow shaft
straightener
because there is so little depth to it. That is just an opinion

MORE ON LEVITATION

DJ TO JXFOh-don't get me started on UFOs. I have been researching the subject
for
years and I even have a PowerPoint presentation on the subject.

You would not believe what I found out. Has nothing at all to do with
aliens. When people see a UFO (like myself-personal experience and many
others I have talked to) they are usually seeing top secret technology
developed within our own corporate structure such as Lockheed & other
aeronotics defense contractors. Tesla provided the early development of
the
technology. The Germans developed jet powered circular aircraft and
probably even a field propulsion vehicle. The field propulsion vehicles
are
used for spying and top secret missions. If one crashes we are the first
to
get to the sight and secure it. Other countries have them as well.
They
can go 20,000 miles per hr. and totally reverse directions 180 degrees
because they are electromagnetic/static/gravitic. The occupants do not
feel
G forces to this extreme because they are moving in an artificially created
field which negates the G force effect.

Abductions are in the mind the majority of the time. They usually occur
to
those who have dabbled in some form of the occult or New Age movement.
Demons and disinformation agents of variious governments try to convince us
that aliens exist.

JXF to DJGood to hear from you Dan; and I understand the position workwise. I
have some
information for you on Merlin. I got the book in Waterstones in Stafford and
apparently Merlin had supernatural powers; because he did'nt have an
earthly father so there's one reason he might have been able to move the
stones at stone henge. As regards email addresses I think it would be safer
for now to stay with my hotmail account. John

DJ to JXFDo you know that I have found several references to the Yavana (ancient
Greeks) having the technology for flight (powered vehicle). Isn't that
interesting. Let me know if you find more on this subject.

John Hext-Fremlin wrote:Dan was the email I sent you yesterday helpful on the subject of
levitation. I am getting Renne Norbergen's book out of the library today
although I might have to order it out of the county and it will probably
be
a little while before I get it. I haven't herd from you for a couple of days
so I hope evrything is ok. John

DJ to JXF - Mercury Propulsion: IFOs not UFOs

This is copied out of a prior email conversation with someone who knows a
whole lot more than I do. You will find this very interesting to say the
least!

I am getting back to you on the Mercury propulsion. Here is some
correspondance I have had recently. I am trying to get people with
similar
interests linked to continue the work. I hope we can all keep working on
getting some technology working.
One of the things that really surprises me is that in spite of the fact that
I belong to several yahoo groups I find very few that are interested in the
subject of mercury propulsion. There is evidence that the Nazis were
spinning some type of molten mercury material and getting effects similar to
that of those exposed to UFOs. Radiation poisoning, lack of clorophyl in
plants in areas where they have landed, destruction of cellular walls of
meat and plants (plants turn in to molassas type compounds and meat loses
its structure)--"Hunt for Zero Point". Nick Cook's discussion
of the
subject left me wondering if they were intentionally adding radioactive
materials or if the materials and were able to siphon off the energy when
they put them into a spin or if they became radioactive as a result of the
high speed spin. They did all the experimenting deep in a mine and
killed
all 65 people who worked with the project so that the technology would not
fall into the wrong hands.
Spun metals must account for at least part of the propulsion systems used on
UFOs which are actually IFOs to top Air Force officials who are responsible
for keeping the technology secret. Your path to understanding this
technology should not be hampered by belief in aliens. This technology
has
nothing to do with aliens, extraterrestrials do not exist. It has its
origins in Tesla and Nazi Germany not alien spaceships.

Races did not originate from Babel. Races were obviously starting to
differentiate within the first several hundred years after creation. The
wives of the sons of Noah and Noah's wife could have had racial features and
those features began to accentuate rapidly when the people began to
disperse. However, I would expect that some racial features were present
before and very soon after the Babel event.

We know the Chinese had rockets. The East Indians, Greeks, Babylonians,
Chinese, & Mongolians had flying machines such as vimanas. It is my
belief
that soon after the flood in many areas technology reached it zenith and
continued on a downward decline until the time of the reformation.

You need to read the Epic of Gilgamesh if you want to get an idea of what
the early people were like. This epic refers back to a time when Noah
was
still alive (within 500 years of the Flood).

JXF to DJ
Great stuff Dan; I'll look forward to hearing from you. By the way I have
some interesting info from Renne. He says that there were rockets in
antideluvian times and he also mentions prebabel ancient civilization
centres and Dr Chitic in his book "The puzzle of Ancient Man" says
there was
a prebabel high civilization before the tower of Babel. It looks to me if
I'm correct in saying this: "That I think we'll have to abandon the
ideathat there were early prebabel neanderthals in Europe and take them fom
the time of Babel onwards. I also have a links page from Gunnar Heinsohn
that refutes the idea of long ages for the human race although I know 2247
BC would imply an antiquity but as you know and as you've already seen Dan
Larry's understanding of the ideas of races originates at Babel. I have this
interesting links page with me and it dates neanderthals from 3500 years ago
which we'll have to go along with. It also falls into line with my table for
Britain and Ireland although I think in some places Gunnar is trying "to
tread water into the deep mist of time" given the flood date 2348 BC. I
would also refute Gunnar Heinsohn's evolutionary bias as far as Partholan in
Ireland &c are concerned of a "chest of draws sequence of
cultures" but any
way here it is: http://hanskrause.de/HKHPE/hkhpe_14_05.htm
; John.

There
are excavations currently under way at Stonehenge. It might be worth seeing
what's been found so far.....

Hi
Bill; Yes that would be of the utmost interest to see what has been found just
recently at Stonehenge. Darrell informs me that there were Monoliths put up by
the survey teams which I would conjecture at this point were erected by
Sidon's team who were of course Phonicians and they of course kept their
knowledge of smelting metals a closely guarded secret from the tribes who had
lost technology particularly after Babel. It's interesting speculating on Hu
G's men who arrived in Southern England around 1421 BC when "Mead and
Honey production" was around at this time after the ice age melt down in
1491 BC .However as I was saying about drawing up a new industries chart I
don't think there's any real need for it as I've gone into it in the
text of my History paper which I have reconstructed with Darrell's help. I'll
tell what I'd like to do Bill and that is to surf the web and see what has
been found so far at stonehenge and will let you know what I find Meanwhile
got to keep at it; Cheers for Now bill John

Thank
you, John. Fascinating stuff.

Bill.

Dear Bill I have just
"surfed the web" on the new stonehenge finds you informed me about.
Apparrently excavations by archaeologists at Durrington Walls (Neolithic
Cultures of the British Isles by Stuart Piggot) have sugested that the find of
living quarters or houses comprise the largest "Neolithic" Village
found in Britain. They date it between 2600 and 2500 BC (Treading water). I
reckon a creationary Ussherian chronology would probably date it to about 1750
BC. What do you reckon Bill? John

JXF to DF"The Stonehenge Enigma"

Hi Darrell and a very Merry Christmas to you. I won't send any more
duplicate messages in compliance with your request as I now fully realize you
have much to catch up with. I have been looking again at Graham Fisher's
article on the "Stonehenge Enigma" and after having read it came to
the conclusion that it could not possibly date from the immediate Post Flood
Pre-Babel time ; because as Graham says: "There was a "Cave
Man" "Stone
age "" culture in this part of Britain (Southern England) that we
would call the Palaeolithic industry at this tim,e although in Orkney this
Neolithic industry was already in existance at the time of the founding of
Egypt c a 2189/2188 BC (Skara Brae) by Cichol Gricenchos and his men after
having started his fishing huntergatherer (Palaeolithic) industry in 2225 BC
200 before Battle of Magithe. Thus addopting Neolithic Culture in 2189 some
189 plus years before it was reintroduced by Nimrod worldwide 2100/2090 BC,
However from what i can make out is the fact that although jn England and as
you say Worldwide. It therfore seems more likely that Neolthic culture did not
reach this part of Britain untill the time of Abraham as you correctly
say the Celts and Druids and would thus aggree that this is the best possible
fit Historricly speaking in conclusion to my re-examination of the facts.
Stuart Piggott's Book "Neolithic Cultures of The British Isles" (And
I highly recomend this book to you Darrell as "Must Read")
correrlates remarkably well for his chronological table for this particular
part of Britain which he dates (ownly 4 years off) as being 2000 BC to 1500
BC. In other words the time of Abraham 1996 BC for the Druids and Celts
reaching this part of England. Thus if Albion had Neanderthals in his team
then they would belong to the period I sugest that I would still refur to as
"Palaeolithic" but what might be termed the Eppi-Palaeolithic as
some of the "Pigmy flint" tools of this period testify"
(2088-2044 BC) making the term "Mesolithic" an evolutionary
Nonsense. In his book "Ancient Man in Britain" Donald A Macenzy
sugests that some of the men who rowed the "Galley ships " were
Azzilians of the socalled transitional period which I am sugesting was the
"End-Palaeolithic" and were thus I sugest part of Albion's team
although Albion ruled from Northern France untill his defeat in 2044 BC by
Herculese Nimrod's General although in conclusion the decendents of Albion
were still here in 1996 BC and probably helped in this first construction of
StoneHenge of which I am sugesting the second allignement or construction (of
which Graham reckons there were three); was reconstructed by Hu G's men ca
1421/1365 BC and supposedly fell into disuse by the archaeolical "Iron
Age" (By Graham's dating 700/750 BC. Thus it is also possible that it
could also have been "realigned" by Merlin in the reign of King
Arthur according to Geoffry of Monmouth. Thus this would most probably make
four reallignements of StoneHenge

:From JXF to DW

> Interesting Link,

>

> "The henge has been tentatively dated to
2400 BCE. But flint

> arrowheads found at the stone-circle site are of
a type that suggests

> the rocks were erected as early as 3000 BCE. More
precise dates will

> have to wait until prehistoric deer antlers-used
as pickaxes at

> Bluestonehenge-have been radiocarbon dated, the
team said."

> "Bluestonehenge's stones were dragged along
the avenue to Stonehenge

> during a major rebuilding phase around 2500 BCE,
the archaeologists

> speculated (time line of the stages of
Stonehenge)."

>

> 1) need to do an accurate radiocarbon test first.
2,400 BC is only tentative.

> 2) The 3,000 BC date is based on flint arrowheads
- which we can't use

> for dating.

> 3) If 3,200 BC radiocarbon is actually about 2200
BC, then 2,400 BC is

> much lower.

> Snefru is radiocarbon dated about 2,140 BC, and
is actually 1950 to

> 1926 BC, so 2,400 BC is probably just before the
time of Abraham, about 2050 BC or so.

> 4) Partholan was too late - 2024 BC for the start
of his reign - after

> his battle.

> 5) This represents a rebuilding phase. Odd.
The Travels of Noah book suggests:

> Samothes' colony arrived in France about 2,162 BC
which is 68 year

> earlier than HLH who places him there in 2094 BC.
However, 2,162 BC

> is early enough that Samothes' colony could have
worked on the rebuilding.

> 6) So who did it the first time? Assuming
any of these dates are

> actually close.

> To require rebuilding suggests that some time had
passed from the

> first construction.

> So if the rebuilding occurred in about 2050 BC or
so, then one would

> expect that the first construction was about at
least 2,150 BC or

> earlier. 2150 BC would correspond with a 3,050 BC
Radiocarbon type

> date. So that would only leave the Sideon
gang or the Survey Teams as

> possibilities.

>

> So a lot more information is really needed to
make any good

> suggestions, but we have plenty of time to find
out more.

>

> Darrell

>

>

>

>

>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:13:46 +0000

>> Subject: Additional Details on "Bluestonehange"SOS"

> - Hide quoted text -

>

>>

>> Darrell I've just "Dug Up " another
link on "Stonepages". It says the

>> monument of Stonehenge was built about 5000
yrs ago (3000 BC)

>> again=2035 BC. Is this a Mere coincidence?
What I am thinking is that

>> the first monument might have been put up in
2035 BC and the second

>> one about 1996 BC John

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