Remember: Not safe for work, not safe for minors, not safe for people of a nervous disposition, not safe for BAMF, not safe for Wesley's Crushers, not safe for the 8-hour queue to buy coffee.

HANGCLIFFOFF]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352070#Comment_3520702013-04-26T14:06:23-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Michael Waynehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7739
I mentioned in last week's thread: I feel you did something unique to the Crossed universe with this episode. For the first time I feel there are worse things in this world than the Crossed, that ...
I'm not an expert on fiction or anything, and people are always free to disagree.

But I think the Gamekeeper is a very special and scary type of villain. Worse than the Crossed. As bad as it gets, in fact.

You think of the most iconic horror characters. Dracula. Hannibal Lecter. More than monsters, these villains have a class and majesty about them. You almost want them to seduce you.

The Gamekeeper takes this same concept. He's not classy by any means. Just the opposite. Every single thing about him is ugly. But he has a supernatural quality. He can walk among the Crossed and survive, even thrive. You want to be like him. You want to put your life in his hands.

The killing of Ashoke is just such a betrayal. That kid trusted him with his life. The nun defied him. But the kid did nothing wrong. It's horrible and wrong... And yet logical. The kid had no survival skills, and thus deserves to die. It's twisted because it almost makes sense.

And then keeping Shaky alive, like he sees something in him worth keeping. A capacity for twistedness, perhaps. Like Iago in Othello, he didn't want enemies, he wanted CONVERTS.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352072#Comment_3520722013-04-26T14:44:19-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Michael Waynehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7739
The note still bothers me, as I'm sure it bothers a lot of people. The fact that Shaky writes it at all stands in the way of liking him as a character. It wasn't only Shaky's life he was ...
And yes, the flashback is horrible, and almost enough to drive a man to insanity. Someone you already love cut on the face and assaulted? Doesn't get much worse.

But the note is so reckless, so poorly written, so contradictory. There's a reason he didn't tell anyone about it. It makes almost no sense. Does he really expect anyone who reads it to stay away? "We'll kill you." does that really change anyone's mind? "Well, we were going to attack Cava, but Shaky wrote a love note." Come on now.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352074#Comment_3520742013-04-26T18:03:48-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Michael Waynehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7739
Upon reflection the only interpretation that reconciles these contradictions (for me at least):
Shaky is too pants-shittingly terrified to think straight.
Shaky is too pants-shittingly terrified to think straight.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352088#Comment_3520882013-04-27T03:14:00-05:002013-04-28T05:38:28-05:00Deadly Ramonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10873
Ashoke had no survival skills? He appeared to be an expert lockpicker, even on sophisticated electronic locks and alarms. If that's not a survival skill, in a world where access to vital supplies ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352101#Comment_3521012013-04-27T07:08:32-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Michael Waynehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7739
I guess when you start thinking like a psychopath, you can forget things like that. Thanks for bringing me back to reality, Ramon. Think I lost it for a sec.
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352103#Comment_3521032013-04-27T07:32:05-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Bombus Hortorushttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2485
I woke up this morning to the latest in a series of crossed related nightmares. This one involved a protracted and bloody escape to join a large group of survivors, but somebody had found some hens ...

When they opened them, the eggs hatched, opening up with outstretched human hands, each holding a rapidly growing human foetus, which, as it developed, clearly showed the crossed rash on its face. It's not the first time I've woken in terror of my family being shredded.

So yeah, thanks for screwing my mind up...]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352134#Comment_3521342013-04-28T05:44:53-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Deadly Ramonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10873
Hey, JP, I've also had (and still have) nightmares involving the Crossed epidemic and its complementary societal disintegration and survival horror aesthetic ever since I first started reading the ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352162#Comment_3521622013-04-28T18:10:04-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00SenorSmoothiehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10926
That's sorry to hear Ramon and JP Carpenter. Personally I always seem to sleep like a baby and never have nightmares about even the worst horror and creepy stuff I read or watch, like pretty much all ...
Honestly what I find compelling about this comic is that it basically goes to where few other stories dare to, and shows the true scale and horror that is these graphic and horrific crimes which often is merely hand waved as a plot theme for some other comic and really adjusts the scale on my perception of morality. As such, because of these comics I don't feel like I can take issues like sexual assault and psychopathic murder so lightly like what's actually happening with all these B-films or crime shows, which I see a staggering amount of people become non-chalant with such as the word "rape" in modern slang. Although I do believe that the initial idea behind the Crossed was based off real atrocities from wars and stuff brought into a first world zombie apocalypse setting, but human society deals with them sickos a lot more then usual now with the UN or general law and order *plus modern firepower*. On a sidenote it's probably why I'm so loving the Englishman's Badlands arc happening now...can't wait for the Crossed to get what's coming to them :D. Overall I believe I can just subconsciously draw the divide between the horror and reality, and I know that in the real world human society tend to be a lot more...constructive...on average. Or maybe I'm a just a sick asshole XD.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352173#Comment_3521732013-04-29T02:28:35-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00lankmarrowhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10979
Newcomer to both Whitechapel and Crossed. I just spent an entire day working my way through Wish You Were here from the beginning, which was something of an experience.
Great stuff Simon. I now ...
Great stuff Simon. I now have to decelerate like crazy and adjust to the regular episodic schedule. Feels like going cold turkey.

Plus I think I have the start of this weird rash on my face.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352174#Comment_3521742013-04-29T04:58:53-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Deadly Ramonhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10873
lankmarrow, don't forget about the Crossed comic books, most of which have been collected into trade paperbacks by now.
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352180#Comment_3521802013-04-29T07:18:48-05:002013-04-29T20:49:55-05:00johnjoneshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052
Crossed has ruined other zombie works for me. I'm currently playing a paper and pencil RPG called Outbreak: Undead and am constantly being urged to watch The Walking Dead by the rest of the group. ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352196#Comment_3521962013-04-29T10:36:41-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00VoteForDuvallhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10970
Johnjones, I know exactly how you feel!
I've been into survivalist and apocalyptic literature and cinema for as long as I can remember, and I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that the ...
I've been into survivalist and apocalyptic literature and cinema for as long as I can remember, and I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that the Crossed series makes all other post-apocalyptic worlds look like candyland... except for maybe The Road. In both Crossed and The Road you get the honest depiction of a scared shitless humanity's response to the most horrible situation you can imagine. There's no hero or happy ending. The reason for the epidemic isn't highlighted, or even considered important. What's important is surviving for one terrified second longer. Humanity is reduced to the rules of the animal kingdom, and we're reminded how animalistic we really are when the thin veil of society goes up in flames.

As far as The Walking Dead (comic) series goes... I'm still a zombie horror fan, but once I finally started reading Crossed (about a year ago) I could no longer get excited about TWD in the same way that I used to. It's still some great writing and I continue to read it, but once introduced to the crossed universe... the slow moving, thoughtless, brainless, flesh eaters that are slowly decaying away to nothing kind of lost their appeal in my eyes. Comparing a zombie to a plussie is like comparing a toddler to a UFC fighter.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352207#Comment_3522072013-04-29T12:53:59-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Big Svenhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10972
However... put a Crossed and a Reaver in a cage together. Who would win?
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352215#Comment_3522152013-04-29T20:49:28-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00johnjoneshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052
The Crossed, even if it was killed, it'd turn the Reaver into something like itself. The Crossed are the ultimate expression of Nietzsche's ""Those who fight monsters should take care that ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352220#Comment_3522202013-04-30T02:22:33-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00lankmarrowhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10979
I write the fluff (pejorative wargamer jargon for the character backgrounds and non-rules text) for a zombie skirmish game called 7ombieTV. I fear my survivor characters, like many a zombie-move ...
But on the plus side (pun intended), I do have killer St Trinian's and cannibal bus conductors.

Crossed trades now ordered as a wedding present for a friend...]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352244#Comment_3522442013-04-30T12:39:14-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00gas-plumehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10942
Ok so whens the Crossed Tv series going to arrive, I verily demand to know.
For some reason I also hope all the principals are unknowns.
For some reason I also hope all the principals are unknowns.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352250#Comment_3522502013-04-30T14:52:30-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00johnjoneshttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052
Ok so whens the Crossed Tv series going to arrive, I verily demand to know.
Maybe if Rob Zombie and Lars von Trier get their own cable channel?
Ok so whens the Crossed Tv series going to arrive, I verily demand to know.

Maybe if Rob Zombie and Lars von Trier get their own cable channel?]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352260#Comment_3522602013-05-01T00:37:25-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00gas-plumehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10942
Whaaaaa? I thought it was in the pipe line.
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352264#Comment_3522642013-05-01T03:16:15-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Horrible Warning Sihttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1223
You're referring, I think, to the forthcoming webisodes, as directed by Mr Ennis? Look out for announcements very soon, but: AFAIK, 2014.
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352333#Comment_3523332013-05-02T07:09:14-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00gas-plumehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10942
No episode this week ?
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352334#Comment_3523342013-05-02T07:35:10-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Mister Ariochhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10896
Check again. It's up.
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352336#Comment_3523362013-05-02T08:28:40-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Big Svenhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10972
(1) so Aoileann's forces took the fort? Cava's screwed.
(2) The mummy w/ boxing gloves is on the boat. Huh.
(2) The mummy w/ boxing gloves is on the boat. Huh.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352349#Comment_3523492013-05-02T11:35:37-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00VoteForDuvallhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10970
Can we get a separate thread for episode 24?
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352359#Comment_3523592013-05-02T17:15:52-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00Ormsbyhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10984
Well, like most of us, I am a huge fan of Crossed.
I know Shaky says to leave mystery's alone, however, did anyone else notice that Seline isn't a Crossed?
I know Shaky says to leave mystery's alone, however, did anyone else notice that Seline isn't a Crossed?]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352362#Comment_3523622013-05-02T18:07:22-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00SenorSmoothiehttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10926
Oh snap, is that an immune human psychopaths/Crossed alliance I spot? Who actually like holding hostages rather then just raping/murdering them immediately (which isn't that bad all things ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352369#Comment_3523692013-05-02T22:56:43-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00kzootronhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10779
I guess the trash bag, boxing glove mummy is crossed. There was a chapter in this arc that had an error and was supposed to show the mummy laughing in crossed font but the word bubble was directed ...
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352376#Comment_3523762013-05-03T04:48:16-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00DCChttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10985
A guess: she *thinks* she's Crossed--she has the X-shaped scars, and Shakey got the Gamekeeper's blood in her wound. She actually just snapped. The Crossed think she's Crossed too.
Possibility: ...
Possibility: she's immune. She hangs around with Crossed--if she weren't immune, she'd have been infected for real pretty quickly. Crossed aren't hygenic.

(This would fit with the other possibly immune guy--we found out he might be immune, but then oops, Hoduken. This is one mean series--no hope for you.)

Not necessarily, though. We've seen the odd Crossed with enough self-control to take long-term prisoners for more elaborate games, and to bully other Crossed to go along with actual plans. Starting with Horsecock--who could even order Crossed to stay on guard duty when they wanted to help torture prisoners.]]>
CROSSED: WISH YOU WERE HERE -- Episode 45 (Season 2 Ep 23)http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=11059&Focus=352379#Comment_3523792013-05-03T07:57:02-05:002015-03-31T17:20:07-05:00VoteForDuvallhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10970
@kzootron - Nice catch on the trash bag boxing glove guy being retroactively switched to a crossed, back in chapter 4!! They must have changed that page (Vol. 2, Ch. 4, Pg. 13) recently too, because ...
Either way it's a minor and forgivable blemish, certainly nothing I'll get uproared about, but still a great notation. When I saw the trash bag mummy in the boat, I was thoroughly confused to see a boat containing 2 non-crossed (at that point I was thinking that trashbag mummy has never been outed as crossed, and then the hostaged Seline), 1 crossed (the boat's helmsman), and 1 X-crossed Aoileann (still undetermined as to whether she is crossed of just pants shitting crazy.) ANyways... the mystery still continues, but at least I now know that Trashbag mummy guy is a plussie.

Fuck, maybe he IS the gamekeeper. Who knows what happened after Shaky shot him. Now... on to the ACTUAL Ch. 24 thread...]]>