Found these instead. Cant believe what some people sell these for. Im sure its because they are needed instead of wanted so price is bumped up. Plus pm s3dave. His look incredibly high quality.these things are prone to breaking so might be worth the extra? Daz

unfortunately dave has stopped making them.
its one of those things you're going to have to cough up for unfortunately. its cheaper than forking out for tyres all the time because of excessive wear! think of it that way

unfortunately dave has stopped making them.
its one of those things you're going to have to cough up for unfortunately. its cheaper than forking out for tyres all the time because of excessive wear! think of it that way

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Ahh my bad didnt know. I know what your saying karl but its still a bit unfair imo. Isnt negative camber good for handling or by lowering are you passing that peak point. The tyre wear doesnt bother me if it handles better?? Sorry to high jack

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Ahh my bad didnt know. I know what your saying karl but its still a bit unfair imo. Isnt negative camber good for handling or by lowering are you passing that peak point. The tyre wear doesnt bother me if it handles better?? Sorry to high jack

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Not in this case no... neg camber on the front works due to the way the suspension loads up on turn in so you roll on to the tread area getting more grip... this is less relevant on the rear as the effect is less so with more neg camber on the rear the less full tread area you get on the road...

General rule of thumb is to dial the rears to -1deg camber which can only be done with adjustable tie bars...

Most of the manufacturers of these parts are European and as such need to acquire TUV approval which would no doubt bump the price up on a part thats not got a massive market...

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They are what they are at the end of the day... other than Dave doing them at an affordable price you have 2 choices... cough up and get your tyre wear and handling sorted or don't and live with accelerated tyre wear and less grip/handling issues from the rear...

Thought I might have a crack at making a set of these as the asking price for branded ones does seem high. I can TIG weld anyway plus I know a guy who could machine me the threaded parts and I already have the poly bushes for standard arms (not fitted) which could be used. Thought I'd just use mild steel but beef the section size up and position the adjuster at the hub end rather than middle (max. bending point).

Definitely need something as the car's pretty low and the rear tyres aren't lasting long enough at the moment.

Once I've made them I'll stick a post up to say whether it worked or whether they snapped 100m down the road......

Not in this case no... neg camber on the front works due to the way the suspension loads up on turn in so you roll on to the tread area getting more grip... this is less relevant on the rear as the effect is less so with more neg camber on the rear the less full tread area you get on the road...

General rule of thumb is to dial the rears to -1deg camber which can only be done with adjustable tie bars...

Most of the manufacturers of these parts are European and as such need to acquire TUV approval which would no doubt bump the price up on a part thats not got a massive market...

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ah ok, im lowering my car 20mm rear and was hoping to get away with that but seems i probobly wont, ill get these sorted and the rears set at -1, would you recommend matching the front up with the rear at -1? daz, thanks tuffty

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Iv been running mine without doing the rear tie bars for twelve months now. Lucky for me my tyre wear seams to be ok ( I know superkarl has shreaded a few) but the crazy camber on the rear looks flippin stupid. Shall soon be fitting my shiny new (last in production) S3dave's SS tie bars soon as i can free up done time to get em on.

as long as the joints in the hubs arent seized it isnt that difficult, alot of wiggling, aligning, and theyre in.

btw thats alot of camber on that r32, perfect for track use, he must A) do a fair few track days B) drive like a maniac for his tyre wear to be ok. my bosses race car runs nearly 5 degrees on the front, imagine what that looks like!

you cant get a great deal on the standard wishbones on the front, maybe 1.5, which is enough for most. you can have more if you lengthen the slots on the wishbones (filing/grinding), and 1.0 on the rear is also adequate for most too.

How low can I go before rear neg camber gets too excessive? I will be replacing rear tie arms when I can source some but will be fitting my coilovers on Tuesday. Will a 50ish mm drop be ok to run for a few weeks or so?

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How low can I go before rear neg camber gets too excessive? I will be replacing rear tie arms when I can source some but will be fitting my coilovers on Tuesday. Will a 50ish mm drop be ok to run for a few weeks or so?

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Anything beyond 20mm drop is likely to accelerate the wear... the rears are -1 to -1.5 deg std... 50mm will definitely accelerate wear... as for how much over a couple of weeks I don't know but lowering will adjust the toe of the rear so will wear accordingly (like having the tracking out on the fronts)

Adjustable tie bars when adjusted in conjunction with the trailing arm mounts will allow you to get to zero toe and a sensible camber on the back

Yeah, now I have std bars modified to have adjusting
Only thing that friend of mine forgot to measure the stock length of bars before cutting..
So could someone please measure the length of the bar (lower or upper).

Also noticed that the lower bars are about 2mm longer than the upper. So if You want little less camber for rear, just swap upper and lower around!

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Maybe if there is enough interest....we can get s3dave to run another batch at a more affordable price? I know i could do with some of these but i don't want to make the mistake of using cheap spurious parts. Come on Dave, help us lads out

Maybe if there is enough interest....we can get s3dave to run another batch at a more affordable price? I know i could do with some of these but i don't want to make the mistake of using cheap spurious parts. Come on Dave, help us lads out

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Maybe if there is enough interest....we can get s3dave to run another batch at a more affordable price? I know i could do with some of these but i don't want to make the mistake of using cheap spurious parts. Come on Dave, help us lads out

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I'd be up for a set of these, however I did speak to Dave within the past month or 2 and he said it would be quiet hard to reproduce them for a reasonable price....We could always try and group buy from another manufacturer/distributor if there is a lot of interest?

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The CNC guy who did my threaded rod.. left and right hand, as put his price up to do them, (he was going through a £80 die every 5th one) what was a quality item as cheap as possible as made it a quite expensive part to reproduce, and that is not why i did them in the first place.... sorry guys..unless we have any cnc guys willing to do the rod on here?? 20mm stainless rod...

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