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"The Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs has published a news release telling of the visit of Arsen Avakov, head of the ministry, to FORT Company where a new handgun line of ammunition was launched. According to Mr. Avakov, this new production line will allow to completely fulfill the demand of the Ukranian Border Guard, National Guard, Police and other law enforcement agencies.

The project was a joint effort of several Ukrainian ministries. It required an investment of 69 million Ukrainian hryvnias, which is roughly equivalent to $2,520,000. The manufacturing equipment and machinery was purchased from the USA, Poland, Turkey and the Czech Republic. As mentioned in the press release, large-scale manufacturing of small arms ammunition was earlier done in Lugansk Ammunition Plant, which is no more controlled by the Ukrainian government due to conflict in the region.

The new manufacturing line makes only 9x19 Luger and 9x18 Makarov cartridges. With a two-shift operation, this small plant is capable of producing 14.5 million of the two mentioned cartridges per year. However, as the minister noted, they are planning to expand the capabilities and later start manufacturing 5.45x39mm and 14.5x114 carteidges, too.

Mr. Avakov also mentioned that in the foreseeable future they may start exporting the ammunition."

"The Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs has published a news release telling of the visit of Arsen Avakov, head of the ministry, to FORT Company where a new handgun line of ammunition was launched. According to Mr. Avakov, this new production line will allow to completely fulfill the demand of the Ukranian Border Guard, National Guard, Police and other law enforcement agencies.

The project was a joint effort of several Ukrainian ministries. It required an investment of 69 million Ukrainian hryvnias, which is roughly equivalent to $2,520,000. The manufacturing equipment and machinery was purchased from the USA, Poland, Turkey and the Czech Republic. As mentioned in the press release, large-scale manufacturing of small arms ammunition was earlier done in Lugansk Ammunition Plant, which is no more controlled by the Ukrainian government due to conflict in the region.

The new manufacturing line makes only 9x19 Luger and 9x18 Makarov cartridges. With a two-shift operation, this small plant is capable of producing 14.5 million of the two mentioned cartridges per year. However, as the minister noted, they are planning to expand the capabilities and later start manufacturing 5.45x39mm and 14.5x114 carteidges, too.

Mr. Avakov also mentioned that in the foreseeable future they may start exporting the ammunition."

Win win. Another source of ammo for us, and a big fuck you to the Russian government.

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The idea of a new source of 5.45 is a welcome thaw to an increasingly chilly heart, but they need to fill their ammo dumps first. I have no idea how much Russia, Ukraine or any of the Former USSR know about the Us interest in their arms but I do know that we are a distant thought to making ammo when Russia can't keep their bullshit on their side of the border.
That aside, I'm curious as well.

Back in the day when Dans Ammo was still selling 7N6. I asked about him getting more from Ukraine or Russia. This was at the time of the beginning of the Ukraine war. He said even if Obama and Putin were shaking hands on the White House lawn tomorrow: (5-6 yrs ago)

1 He said Ukraine infrastructure(road/bridges/transportation) was so messed up he doubted it would get to the ports in Germany.
2 He implied there was pressure from the Upper German government (Merkel) not to process the shipments quickly. $$
3 Same thing on this side of the pond. (Obama)

Also manufacturing ammo and importing the ammo to the US is two different things.

On a good note. Exporting to get currency would be a huge priority for them.

Intersting stuff AK-ula.
Ukraine might be able to supply new bullet types as well( or maybe I am just blowing smoke) but would they want to supply the US markets long term? as I mentioned before; I have no idea what the Ukrainians think of the US shooting community.
Do they know that the Gov and the people are not the same thing?
Would/could they make enough to keep costs low? Can they do just as good of a job, or better than, Vymple or Barnaul plants?
I don't know.. it does no good to be unrealistic about such things. The fact remains though, I dearly want the Ukrainians to succeed. Today and in the future.

Just comebck from Ukraine and saw border patrol walking around airport with AK74 with triangle stocks, not sure it is AKS74 or 74M. So, why not? They need ammo and tons of AKs are still in stock. It will take a lot of time untill they will change to Nato rifles.

I'm just speculating like any other idiot on the internutz, but I see it the other way around.

The Ukrainians still have 5.45 rifles in inventory that they have to feed. To be sure of feeding them, the Ukrainians seem to be thinking that some domestic production capacity would be helpful. To develop that capacity, they have to buy machinery, train workers and so on. If their production capacity is high enough (yes, yet another "if"), then one way to recoup their costs is to sell 5.45 ammunition abroad for hard currency (also another thing Ukraine could use).

My WAG is that despite the relatively limited market for 5.45 here, we're still one of the biggest, richest markets that can help the Ukrainians recoup their costs by paying in hard currency - and the odds of sanctions blocking Ukrainian sales into the U.S. are anywhere from zero to nonexistent.

I'm just speculating like any other idiot on the internutz, but I see it the other way around.

The Ukrainians still have 5.45 rifles in inventory that they have to feed. To be sure of feeding them, the Ukrainians seem to be thinking that some domestic production capacity would be helpful. To develop that capacity, they have to buy machinery, train workers and so on. If their production capacity is high enough (yes, yet another "if"), then one way to recoup their costs is to sell 5.45 ammunition abroad for hard currency (also another thing Ukraine could use).

My WAG is that despite the relatively limited market for 5.45 here, we're still one of the biggest, richest markets that can help the Ukrainians recoup their costs by paying in hard currency - and the odds of sanctions blocking Ukrainian sales into the U.S. are anywhere from zero to nonexistent.

How much money can there be if no one else has shown the slightest interest?

There was a huge shipment that was approved and pretty much on the ship when the ban went in to effect. Basically no one else but the Russians make it right now. With the ban on 7n6 commercial production viability increased dramatically but also with the ban on 7n6 demand has dropped a bit because people are walking away from the caliber. This will be a chicken vs egg thing in the end. Someone will jump in at the right time when supplies get low enough here in the US and a company realizes there is a market to sell it at 5.56 prices.

Reason enough for one NOT to try and start from scratch and make money producing 5.45x39. Economies of scale: The Russians are making Billions of rounds per year in state subsidized facilities. Will a start up have a cartridge that can compete? At the Russian 21cents/rd.

There is a reason why no one has started a new flavored gelatin desert company
In the last 90 years. The reason? JELLO!

That's the point. The Ukrainians wouldn't be doing it for profit, they'd be doing it to ensure their own supply - since Russia certainly isn't going to be shipping them 5.45 ammo any time soon (if ever).

One way to Ukraine can pay what it will cost Ukraine to build the manufacturing capability to supply themselves with 5.45 ammo is to sell any of their excess production to us for hard currency.

There's been an awful lot of hand wringing here about what might happen if Russia sanctions cut off the supply of Russian 5.45x39. If the Ukrainians are manufacturing 5.45x39, then Ukraine becomes an alternative source of supply for the U.S. market - which means that we can get 5.45 ammo regardless of what happens in terms of sanctions on Russia and regardless of whether or not anyone else decides to produce 5.45 ammunition for profit.

I'm just speculating like any other idiot on the internutz, but I see it the other way around.

The Ukrainians still have 5.45 rifles in inventory that they have to feed. To be sure of feeding them, the Ukrainians seem to be thinking that some domestic production capacity would be helpful. To develop that capacity, they have to buy machinery, train workers and so on. If their production capacity is high enough (yes, yet another "if"), then one way to recoup their costs is to sell 5.45 ammunition abroad for hard currency (also another thing Ukraine could use).

My WAG is that despite the relatively limited market for 5.45 here, we're still one of the biggest, richest markets that can help the Ukrainians recoup their costs by paying in hard currency - and the odds of sanctions blocking Ukrainian sales into the U.S. are anywhere from zero to nonexistent.

Just my opinion but they will either need western investors or it will be years before they can get their own tooling and production up to even export at all. I do dig the big Dillon presses, I have one