This isn'r the latest copy. I have made some slight changes and one was making the extra petal smaller. I wanted to show a falling leaf and tie in the type with the image because to me they lacked a bit...

It would be great to use the Fibonnaci sequence but I can never find a simple article to explain how to apply for designing. I start to hear the math info and my eyes glaze over. I have a template for...

As was said earlier... some skateboard identities are grungey.. some are cleaner. Almost all are playful and none are feminine.

Here are some of the cleaner ones I could think of off the top of my head. All playful and youthful. Just saying the logo could work for something like snowboards, but you'd be better off sticking to that spectrum and not trying to make an umbrella identity like DC.

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I don't feel it ruins it, no. At least this way I could see the elements as a detached unit working independently as you preferred previously (I still like it as one mark). There's some kerning issues I'm just noticing between your R and the EST.

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I don't feel it ruins it, no. At least this way I could see the elements as a detached unit working independently as you preferred previously (I still like it as one mark). There's some kerning issues I'm just noticing between your R and the EST.

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I know the C needs tweaking a bit on the second one, but does it work better than the first?

Yes, the stroke's weight is more consistent with the rest now. However, you might want to study how the strokes would look if actually drawn with a round (i.e. pointed) pointed brush; you might find a way to connect the C and r that looks more natural.

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I think the thicker stroke on the Type and losing the Crown really helped the logo. But, I do think there's something strange going on where the bird meets the "t". The negative space of the bird and the "t" beside it really aren't working for me. Others may disagree, but I think you really need to focus on where the Bird meets the Type.

I too, kind of see a skateboarder in the negative space of the bird, but I also kind of see a "t". I wonder how it would look if you removed the "t" from the type, and shaped the negative space of the bird more like a "t"? Not sure how that would work, I'm just throwing in ideas.