If you TV every 7 seconds you are awful as fuck at ret. The scenario is however u get 40%. ALOT more then 25% for a HIGHER damage attack. Ontop of this sometimes it takes TWO crusader strikes without Art of war procs to gain 1 templars verdict so it's more like 60% chance for Holy TV in those scenarios VS 25% chance to gain an okay attack. All and all it's a TV every chance to proc every 4 ish seconds. To game this new tier set we are going to be forced into going with Divine Purpose. Significantly lowering cooldown damage but across the board it should somewhat average out. The only downside is we go to 100% RNG reliant dps. Hammer spam was always a sure thing.

question for you guys, been rocking a normal TFZerat, Malakk's Soulburning Greatsword for some time now and coined a normal NOT TFGreatsword of Frozen Hells today and am wondering which one i should be using. seeing how Zerat has hit on it i would assume thats a factor, im at 8.08 hit with the Zerat atm.

question for you guys, been rocking a normal TFZerat, Malakk's Soulburning Greatsword for some time now and coined a normal NOT TFGreatsword of Frozen Hells today and am wondering which one i should be using. seeing how Zerat has hit on it i would assume thats a factor, im at 8.08 hit with the Zerat atm.

within the same itemlevel: Hells=Bo-Ris>Uroe>>>Zerat. Bo-Ris pulls ahead slightly at high gear levels because we have so much haste on our gear.

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Anaxie, they are extremely unlikely to ever let DS replace TV on single target. Not only is that dangerous on fights with CC or AoE restrictions, but they also want players to use a different rotation for single target and AoE. I mean, every DPS spec does things differently on AoE:

yes that would be a easy answer but i was under the impression that sims were WAY off when it came to rets. something about crit scaling and trinket procs come to mind. dont know how old that info its tho.

yes that would be a easy answer but i was under the impression that sims were WAY off when it came to rets. something about crit scaling and trinket procs come to mind. dont know how old that info its tho.

Mhhh i have no problems with latest simcraft build.

I think when you don't need the hit from zerat frozen hells is slightly better , but when i'm right both weapons were close ....

I would rather see the 4 set bonus be something like, "25% chance on holy power consumer or 25% chance whenever you use a templar's verdict, you also trigger a divine storm". Since we will get alot higher haste levels in the next tier. Another button to press feels just unecessary. So why not just give us an extra bonus dmg instead of another DP proc

anaxie, while i was testing the new 4 piece the only time any proc would be wasted with DP is IF you use the DS proc WITH dp up as well, this may be a bug but i dont know. as it stands we would only waste procs like that on pure AOE where we just spam DS.
As for replacing TV with DS permanently, i don't see it being a problem as long as they keep the damage bonus on the tier set.
and yes, the current T16 is just place holder with the bonuses on the last set, we still have no idea what stats are on it(PLEASE GOD! NO MORE HIT! 11% WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH!) i also hope it looks cool too, almost had a heart attack over how horrendous the season 14 set looked like and thought that was the t16 set, i nearly cried.

I tested T16 and when you have DP and DS proc at same time, DS consume one at the time. So they fixed bug with latest PTR build.

They could very easily make the 4set work like the current ele shaman 4set, just a plain and simple passive. Making it use a GCD (which strips us of one holy power) and not being a significant damage increase (single target) is definitely NOT the way to go imo.