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Please post pictures of Roman Catholic churches here:I found this beautiful photo at skyscraper city forum.This is the Piarist church in Chełm,Poland which is also known by its Ukrainian name Kholm.One of my favorite churches. I used to visit it often but now I seem to have less time. Perhaps I should start praying more. The cathedral and minor basilica in Kielce, Poland.Cathedral tower

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

What does this have to do with the Orthodox, except that the OP shows pictures from Kholm, the historic center of Orthodoxy in Poland, that is before the Union of Brest was forced on it, and after that yoke was lifted? St. Vladimir founded it, and it was part of Kievan Rus', but later annexed by the Piasts who set up a Latin bishoprick. The Orthodox Cathedral was given by the "The Polish Committee of National Liberation" to the Vatican in 1944.

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Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

What does this have to do with the Orthodox, except that the OP shows pictures from Kholm, the historic center of Orthodoxy in Poland, that is before the Union of Brest was forced on it, and after that yoke was lifted? St. Vladimir founded it, and it was part of Kievan Rus', but later annexed by the Piasts who set up a Latin bishoprick. The Orthodox Cathedral was given by the "The Polish Committee of National Liberation" to the Vatican in 1944.

Wołoch and Włoch in Polish phonetic alphabet are written as Voůoχ and vůoχ. ů being the equivalent of the English "w" and χ being a sound similar to "h" in human.

Wołoch once signified a person who would now be called Romanian. The historic term for Romania in Polish is Wołoszczyzna. The region which is called Transylvannia was in Polish, Siedmiogród. What are you talking about that caveat about the Dniestr being the Divinely instituted border of Poland?

The historic centres of Polish Orthodoxy are outside of the modern day borders of Poland. First and foremost, the city of Kyiv/Kiev is the heart of the Polish Orthodoxy, because the majority of Orthodox in Poland are descended from the Kyivan principalities on the Dniepr, who because of political repression emigrated to the West. Another I can mention is Ostróg/Ostroh, Halicz and Włodzimierz Wołyński. The church in question in Jesus's post:According to the Polish wikipedia here are the owners of the church since its construction in 1756Wyznanie greckokatolickie (1756-1875) Greek Catholicprawosławie (1875-1919) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (1919-1940) Roman Catholic prawosławie (1940-1944) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (od 1940) Roman Catholic

Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

What does this have to do with the Orthodox, except that the OP shows pictures from Kholm, the historic center of Orthodoxy in Poland, that is before the Union of Brest was forced on it, and after that yoke was lifted? St. Vladimir founded it, and it was part of Kievan Rus', but later annexed by the Piasts who set up a Latin bishoprick. The Orthodox Cathedral was given by the "The Polish Committee of National Liberation" to the Vatican in 1944.

Wołoch and Włoch in Polish phonetic alphabet are written as Voůoχ and vůoχ. ů being the equivalent of the English "w" and χ being a sound similar to "h" in human.

Wołoch once signified a person who would now be called Romanian. The historic term for Romania in Polish is Wołoszczyzna. The region which is called Transylvannia was in Polish, Siedmiogród. What are you talking about that caveat about the Dniestr being the Divinely instituted border of Poland?

The Polish delegate Martin Chometowski (1703) "Inter nos et Valachiam ipse Deus flumine Tyras dislimitavit" Between us and the Vlachs/Romanians God Himself delineated the river Dniester.

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The historic centres of Polish Orthodoxy are outside of the modern day borders of Poland. First and foremost, the city of Kyiv/Kiev is the heart of the Polish Orthodoxy,

Kiev isn't in, nor ever has been, in Poland. I know that historically the Polish Crown has had a problem wrapping its head around that fact, signified by splitting the Szczerbiec on Kiev's gate.

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because the majority of Orthodox in Poland are descended from the Kyivan principalities on the Dniepr,

The Dniepr doesn't flow through Galicia (darker green here):

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who because of political repression emigrated to the West. Another I can mention is Ostróg/Ostroh, Halicz and Włodzimierz Wołyński.

Halicz and Volodymyr are the determinative. The sees of Cholm and Peremyshl are the homeland of Polish Orthodoxy. Besides Krakow of St. Gorazd.

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The church in question in Jesus's post:According to the Polish wikipedia here are the owners of the church since its construction in 1756Wyznanie greckokatolickie (1756-1875) Greek Catholicprawosławie (1875-1919) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (1919-1940) Roman Catholic prawosławie (1940-1944) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (od 1940) Roman Catholic

The Church was set up by King Daniel of Ruthenia and Halych as an Orthodox See in 1260, which it was until the Polish Sejm forced the Union of Brest on it.

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I consider this perhaps the most beautiful church in New England. This photo doesn't even come close to capturing it. It is covered in sculpture, and in every crevice is a tiny lightbulb---thousands and thousands all over the place. When the lights are lit---stunning! They are not lit often, because it costs $500 an hour in electricity.

The best Stations of the Cross I've ever seen. And hanging over the nave on both sides are lines of enormous sculptures of angels blowing trumpets.

Very nice from the outside too:

And the pastor, Fr. Roger Landry, is one of the great lieutenants of the Catholic restoration.

Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)

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Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

Ooooo, I love that one! Thank you for posting it. I've heard rumors of a beautiful Roman Catholic church with mosaics in St. Louis. If only more were like this. Actually, I'd settle for even a modest reduction in modernism and Baroque. Love Baroque music, but find the architecture and the fat little cherubs very distracting.

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Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)

Or perhaps your aversion to all things Latin prevented you from seeing the true beauty of it.

Hardly. That I have no love for Ultramontanism does not mean I have an aversion to all things Latin. your prejudice is showing.

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I wish I could have seen it before the Protestants usurped it and stripped it of its shrines and iconography (interiors of the great Romanesque and Gothic cathedrals were painted). It still has a strong, severe beauty, perfectly fitting its northern England location.

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

Response to Jesus' post:Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers? Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation. The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy. The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch as a sad event.This schism in the Commonwealth caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion, promoter of Islam and Orthodoxy, Calvinism and Shamanism, His Imperialest Majesty, the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

There is no more evident sign that anyone is a saint and of the number of the elect, than to see him leading a good life and at the same time a prey to desolation, suffering, and trials. - Saint Aloysius Gonzaga

Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers?

Armed or otherwise? Since they are gone, not particularly, though I doubt it was millions (I have to see figures).

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Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation.

You seem to place great stock in Soviet propoganda. Are you a Marxist?

I'd ask a Russian, rather than a Georgian, over membership of the Russian nation.

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The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy.

You can of course quote the Patriarch of Moscow or his spokeman making that claim, no?

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The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch

The Orthodox branch of your nation form a local autocephalous Church of the Catholic Church.

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as a sad event.This schism in the Commonwealth

"My Kingdon is not of this world"

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caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion,

You mean the Orthodox Faith into which the ruling house of Lithuania was first baptized, and the first bishop at Krakow professed?

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promoter of Islam

a true son of Lech and father of the Vatican.

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and Orthodoxy, Calvinism

I recall Calvin being ordained by the Vatican, not the Metropolitan of Moscow.

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and Shamanism,

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His Imperialest Majesty,

Imperialist? How did all those "millions of Poles" end up outside of Poland on the Dniestr and Dniepr?

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the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.

My, since no dynasty from the loins of Lech has sat on Poland's throne since 1370, one would think you would be more careful. When the Bolshevks shot the Orthodox confessor Czar St. Nicholas II the blood of Rurik, no matter how diluted, flowed out.

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I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.

Since I am not in your region, I'll leave you to discuss it. As for construct, I do have a branch of ancestors from the region, in Pomerania, who had a German name and nationality but also spoke Polish, something I don't think common among Germans of the German empire. Should I turn out to be partially a son of Lech, it won't change matters.

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Now when you say Roman Catholic...you do mean Romanian Orthodox, right?

He ought to: Wołoch in Polish means "Romanian/Vlach," Wołochowie historic "Romania," and Włochy "Italy." It comes from Germanic Wlaha "foreignors, Romans." The Poles were neighbors to the Romanians, according to the Poles the Dniester forming the boundary set by God between them. The Poles were never anywhere near Rome or Italy.

What does this have to do with the Orthodox, except that the OP shows pictures from Kholm, the historic center of Orthodoxy in Poland, that is before the Union of Brest was forced on it, and after that yoke was lifted? St. Vladimir founded it, and it was part of Kievan Rus', but later annexed by the Piasts who set up a Latin bishoprick. The Orthodox Cathedral was given by the "The Polish Committee of National Liberation" to the Vatican in 1944.

Wołoch and Włoch in Polish phonetic alphabet are written as Voůoχ and vůoχ. ů being the equivalent of the English "w" and χ being a sound similar to "h" in human.

Wołoch once signified a person who would now be called Romanian. The historic term for Romania in Polish is Wołoszczyzna. The region which is called Transylvannia was in Polish, Siedmiogród. What are you talking about that caveat about the Dniestr being the Divinely instituted border of Poland?

The historic centres of Polish Orthodoxy are outside of the modern day borders of Poland. First and foremost, the city of Kyiv/Kiev is the heart of the Polish Orthodoxy, because the majority of Orthodox in Poland are descended from the Kyivan principalities on the Dniepr, who because of political repression emigrated to the West. Another I can mention is Ostróg/Ostroh, Halicz and Włodzimierz Wołyński. The church in question in Jesus's post:According to the Polish wikipedia here are the owners of the church since its construction in 1756Wyznanie greckokatolickie (1756-1875) Greek Catholicprawosławie (1875-1919) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (1919-1940) Roman Catholic prawosławie (1940-1944) Orthodoxrzymskokatolickie (od 1940) Roman Catholic

Response to Jesus' post:Do you have a problem with the fact that millions of Poles once lived on the Dniestr and Dniepr rivers? Let us praise that great and holy, defender of the Orthodox faith, Christ's servant, the Thirteenth apostle, the iron man, Iosip Jugashvili, the immortal STALIN who told a Kalmuk and a Kazakh, a Finn and Pole, Tajik and Uzbek, that they have been lied to by the PETTY CAPITALIST and in fact, that they were never Catholic nor Muslim, Lutheran nor Buddhist but GREAT, GREATER, GREATEST GREAT-RUSSIAN nation. The fact that the current Orthodox church of Moscow, does something the Tsars never would of dreamt of, that is that they claim that every citizen of the Russian Federation, is by right of birth, an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy. The Tsar only tried to assimilate Catholics but he did not claim Muslims or Shamanists to be Orthodox.

I view the fact, that the Orthodox branch of our nation was separated from the Catholic branch as a sad event.This schism in the Commonwealth caused by our great and holy, blessed and apostolic, true believing and insincere, destroyer of all oppression which is the Catholic religion, promoter of Islam and Orthodoxy, Calvinism and Shamanism, His Imperialest Majesty, the Tsar of Holy, Holy, Holy, thrice Holy, thrice thrice thrice Holy social political construct German occupier of the Eastern Slavs, the Romanov dynasty.I have even read on one forum, by a self-named Crimean Slav, neither Ukrainian nor Russian who said that nationalities in our region are historical constructions especially the Great Russian nationality. I do not entirely agree with this but in some aspects this might hold true.

Okay, I'll break my rule this one time. I've never been to the Cathedral of St Louis, Missouri, USA, but it's definitely high on my list:

odd. i've been there but i didn't recognize it in the photo (I think it is the lighting)

Or perhaps your aversion to all things Latin prevented you from seeing the true beauty of it.

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I see one..ONE..more post that is not either a picture of a Roman Catholic Church or a direct commentary about such a picture and a) this thread gets shut down and b) the offending poster, be they ORthodox, Catholic, Hindu, whatever, gets slapped with an official warning to the next level.

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This reminds me of Fr. Seraphim Rose's theory that Byzantine iconography is not strictly Eastern but Universal tradition of the Church. I bow my head to sheer beauty. We might have the most correct theology but RCs have the most beautiful churches. The present pope of Old Rome has mourned the lost of and lack of concept of sacred art in the Latin church. Fortunately it seems that His Holiness was a little wrong.

Here and here is couple of panoramas from Turku Cathedral in Finland which used to be Catholic cathedral before reformation. The present RC bishop of Finland was consecrated here.

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

There is no more evident sign that anyone is a saint and of the number of the elect, than to see him leading a good life and at the same time a prey to desolation, suffering, and trials. - Saint Aloysius Gonzaga

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.