WASR10/63's bid upwards of 550 (slightly elevated; saw two yesterday in a local gun shop for 499..)

Also, interestingly some "rare" pieces starting to show up, buyers taking advantage of the volume.

MG-42
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=320668823

Galil
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322389146

Scalping also visible; particularly on 50BMG. Elevated prices but no bids.

Trent

December 19, 2012, 11:55 AM

That case of 5.56 ammo I posted about yesterday is now bid up in EXCESS of $1,000.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=321722107

IndispensableDestiny

December 19, 2012, 01:26 PM

P-Mag bids are now skyrocketing. $400.00 for a 10 pack!

MagnumDweeb

December 19, 2012, 02:15 PM

Man I got spare CETME parts kit I want to unload, I wonder what I would get for it?

460Kodiak

December 19, 2012, 06:02 PM

never mind

breakingcontact

December 19, 2012, 07:09 PM

$1200 for a case of green tip ammo...was $420 at Academy like 2 days ago.

Kicking self.

Pmags seem to be going for $30-$40.

M&P Sport was a $650 rifle for a long time. Now $1000?

As far as $1000 Aks. The nice ones have been about that for awhile.

almostfree

December 19, 2012, 07:18 PM

How about a RRA stripped lower for a buy it now price of 1159.99? Granted no one is bidding / buying, but still..........

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322796802

Derek Zeanah

December 19, 2012, 07:19 PM

How about a RRA stripped lower for a buy it now price of 1159.99?
Wow. Just, wow.

captain awesome

December 19, 2012, 07:50 PM

Damnitall. I Was at a gun store two weeks ago thinking about buying a complete CMMG AR lower to put together a 50 Beowulf. They were $249 and I decided to think about it and shop around. wish I had just bought it. OH well, I am not going to pay $400+. I may regret that later as well, but I have principals.

jerryv

December 19, 2012, 07:50 PM

Gander mountain had 5.56 here yesterday for $799 for 2000 rounds. i bought 1 deal. thought about it last night and was going back this morning and buy more, called them, but too late. all gone. yes Gander Mountain.

Tim the student

December 19, 2012, 08:40 PM

Kinda makes me want to roll the dice and put an AR up for auction.

Trueno

December 19, 2012, 08:45 PM

That case of 5.56 ammo I posted about yesterday is now bid up in EXCESS of $1,000.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=321722107

$1.23 per round for NON-AP 5.56

wow, just wow. :rolleyes:

BisleyBlackhawk45

December 19, 2012, 08:56 PM

Next in line for gouging if history repeats itself...primers :cuss:

Certaindeaf

December 19, 2012, 09:00 PM

Primers are gone. pretty much

Trent

December 19, 2012, 11:07 PM

I already had guns, ammo, and magazines (for the most part).

I hit the stores yesterday for primers and brass while everyone else was scrambling to buy guns and ammo.

Gotta be one step ahead..

heeler

December 19, 2012, 11:11 PM

Sigh.......Hey Washington D.C. can you hear this....

Trent

December 19, 2012, 11:13 PM

I think the volume of NICS checks this week will set some staggering records.

This is one run on guns that I'm actually supportive of.

We're speaking loud and clear with our dollars.

KevininPa

December 20, 2012, 12:50 PM

........favorite so far:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322657720

Note the BUYNOW price. An $1100-1200 custom paint and alleged internal polish job. I have a rare factory wood sporter stock on my unconverted Saiga, guess that makes it worth $2500!;) Just kiddin'! But also getting a kick out of these comical prices.

Now is the time to be patient. Don't get caught up in all the Chicken Little foolishness.

Phatty

December 20, 2012, 02:20 PM

Why the run on AR stuff but not handguns?
Probably because the most likely weapons to be banned (if there is a ban enacted in the near future) are "assault weapons" like the AR. Most people are assuming that AR's are at a higher risk of being banned than handguns.

You'd think that with everyone blowing their money on AR's, there will be less of a demand for handguns and other types of guns so the prices of those should drop a bit.

Hit_Factor

December 20, 2012, 02:27 PM

I own a LGS and demand is for all guns. Reloading supplies are a little elevated, we can still get components.

As for firearms, we are buying what we can get, not necessarily what we want.

We have not changed a single price tag. But we are sourcing through alternate channels and in those channels our costs tend to be higher.

We have had several teachers buy small guns. The use was not explained to us, but god bless them in their endeavours.

anothernewb

December 20, 2012, 02:38 PM

dang. I should seriously consider selling a box. $1k for regular surplus would nearly quarduple my investment. not bad!

Then again, I have a "bit" of fear that the ammo supply will dry up - slightly. the round's too popular for them to ban it entirely - but dang - this is looking worth some thought.

breakingcontact

December 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

Phatty,

That's what I've been looking for. Some deals on what I want to open up as people change the focus of their buying. Suppose this is a combination of new gun owners and previous gun owners. Saw a lot of "Hipster" types at a recent gun show.

oneounceload

December 20, 2012, 02:57 PM

All they have to do is enact legislation like a lot of countries where the civilian populace cannot own or use cartridges that the military uses - makes all those ARs obsolete overnight

breakingcontact

December 20, 2012, 03:00 PM

Those countries don't have our Constitution. Suppose we need politicians and judges that respect and understand the Constitution as well though.

shooter_from_show-me

December 20, 2012, 03:19 PM

GTG on everything but .22 lr, have like 37k in primers and 75 #'s in powders. GOD help us in 2016!

shooter_from_show-me

December 20, 2012, 03:43 PM

Wow, the 5 Magpul pmags sold for $515 plus another 20 in shipping. But if I had the resources I too would sell of stuff at a huge profit to fund other things. But alas what I have I need.

breakingcontact

December 20, 2012, 03:51 PM

I'm hoping these 5 mags for $500 type sales are an anomaly even if current prices have more than doubled.

Trent

December 20, 2012, 04:19 PM

I'll keep checking evil black rifles and ammo for them daily for a while, posting the results here. See how this trends.

BK

December 20, 2012, 04:30 PM

On Tuesday there was a seller that had Pmags at $16 each.

His are all gone now and the current auctions are pretty crazy.

Derek Zeanah

December 20, 2012, 04:41 PM

Wow. I've got a bunch of Brownell mags still in wrapper. Tempting...

OpelBlitz

December 20, 2012, 09:06 PM

Wow. I've got a bunch of Brownell mags still in wrapper. Tempting...

I just bought six PMag Gen 3's a week ago, literally the day before this happened. I really don't want to sell them, but times are tough for me. Must stay strong. :)

Trueno

December 20, 2012, 09:38 PM

I sold an extremely nice Type-3 AK kit on GB a little over a week ago, barrel was in excellent shape, it lasted just under 6 hours before the buyer hit the Buy-it-Now button.

Doing another gunshow here in Texas this coming weekend, already got one AK sold in advance to a dealer, bringing 3 more along with it to see what happens.

t

lionking

December 20, 2012, 09:42 PM

The way Feistein's bill is written now you wouldn't be able to sell after the ban (legally) as that would be a transfer and possession after the law takes effect.

Which means a AR or 30 rd mag would be worth zero on the open market. From $2000 now to $0 then

Actually the way her bill is written the way I am seeing it you couldn't even give them away or pass them down to your family as that still would be a transfer and possession..

KevininPa

December 20, 2012, 11:34 PM

....really can't say much about me handing things down when I pass away.

"Actually the way her bill is written the way I am seeing it you couldn't even give them away or pass them down to your family as that still would be a transfer and possession.. "

She'll be dead long before me. I'll be too dead to sign the transfer papers. Anyway, back to checking Saiga prices. It's quite the form of amusement for me these days.

browningguy

December 21, 2012, 12:43 AM

1000 rds. 5.56 > $700

For that price why wouldn't someone just order the Black Hills 52 or 68 gr. Match HP from Midway? It would cost the same, it's in stock, and you would even have decent ammo to shoot.

Cranky CJ

December 21, 2012, 12:57 AM

got enough brass, primers, bullets and powder to last me for about 3 years. started gathering up all my stuff well over a year ago.

not even close to what shooter from show me has stocked up, but I too am GTG.....

I will say this, I checked the prices, on GB, of the AR I have it is more than doubled what I paid for it three months ago.....tempting.....

Cranky CJ

December 21, 2012, 01:00 AM

What transfer papers???? are people talking about???????

Ignition Override

December 21, 2012, 01:09 AM

If any future bill only bans specific features but doesn't ban certain types of guns, lots of people will be stuck with overpriced, and in many cases unwanted guns, as happened after the '08 election.

Lots of people had extra Christmas money tied up in guns which were sold at a loss.

MachIVshooter

December 21, 2012, 02:43 AM

All they have to do is enact legislation like a lot of countries where the civilian populace cannot own or use cartridges that the military uses - makes all those ARs obsolete overnight

Nah. The case neck gets lengthened 1mm and we're good to go. Or ARs just get reamed to .222 Rem Mag and bullets are seated a little deep. Plenty of ways around that one.

Of course, I don't know how you get millions of ARs or BILLIONS of rounds/cases of 5.56mm out of circulation.........

I just went on gunbroker for the first time in years. You can't even post all the links that are full of stupid - just go to the semi-auto rifles section and get ready to laugh. I have a feeling many gun owners were waiting for this time to sell as much of their excess crap as possible. Quite a bit of WASR, DPMS, Olympic strapped with Barska, UTG, etc. for well over $1k. Oh, and every ad needs to include "tactical", "mil-spec", or "assualt"

ManBearPig

December 22, 2012, 08:26 PM

Why the run on AR stuff but not handguns?

I bought a new Glock 31 Gen 4. I figure magazine bans will be apart of any new legislation (hopefully the House will stop it), and the model I have uses an evil 15-round mag. I had to settle on the 3 mags that came with it; no extras to be bought. Orded two through Midwayusa, but they are on backorder.

I'm not needing the rifles though; I stockpiled them years ago.

Trent

December 22, 2012, 08:36 PM

Since assault rifles are all gone (locally), there's an elevated pressure on handguns. The shop I'm helping out at has sold over 100 handguns this week. (That's about 95 more than normal for this place...)

goldie

December 22, 2012, 11:09 PM

What a circus; 1 1/2 weeks ago you couldnt give some of this stuff away, now its gone or going fast. 800$ romanian ak's,1500.00 sig 556, when they were $1100 & no one would buy them, it goes on & on.That buy back program is going to get more expensive by the minute !2k for that 5.7,almost 3k for the fs2000 holy crap, i got the fs2000 for 1800 a few years ago & i thought that was high.look at the bidders, there are new, uneducated morons, who i hope have the sense to be smarter handling these guns than the high prices they paid!

Trent

December 23, 2012, 12:27 AM

Yeah that Feinstein "$500 for each assault rifle" plan isn't going to get any takers.

What an idiot. Buy back our guns, at a loss, using OUR money?

Pfft.

Lady needs to grow a brain.

In other news..

50 cal stuff is starting to show elevated prices. One guy has a Barrett M82A1 listed at $100,000 now. :)

Heh yeah. They're truly proving to be the "most desirable" AK-47 now. Almost on par with Polytechs at this point.

CHALK22

December 23, 2012, 02:47 PM

Not a GB auction, but so far my favorite local sale http://www.armslist.com/posts/734327/missoula-montana-rifles-for-sale--bushmaster-m4a3--223-5-56--w-accessories- don't forget it comes with like $550 in pmags!

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

breakingcontact

December 23, 2012, 03:55 PM

Aimpoint on a bushmaster...he really went with that spend as much on your optic as on your gun formula.

lionking

December 23, 2012, 04:03 PM

Its crazy, and people are buying at that price. Being Christmas and a slow economy it seems people still have plenty of spending cash, that or they will be paying off large credit card sums.

lionking

December 23, 2012, 04:08 PM

Hey a question about SCAR and SIG AR style magazines since I don't know much about the SCAR and SIG model. Does it take the same as M16 mags or different?

Also the different Glock generations, are all generation mags compatible?

breakingcontact

December 23, 2012, 04:35 PM

Here you guys go.

$1200 for a mini, buy it now for $1600.

Only if it was used by the A-team I say!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323343432

It even has a 20 round high capacity magazine. Good thing, I had the regular 20 round magazines.

breakingcontact

December 23, 2012, 05:07 PM

Also, I have seen several rifles such as http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323186819

listed as "pre-ban". Are they referring to the 1994-2004 assault weapons ban?

Confused.

I saw another one listed pre-ban but don't recall the model.

Hapworth

December 23, 2012, 06:11 PM

Also the different Glock generations, are all generation mags compatible?Gen4 requires the mags that have the catch on both sides if your mag release is configured for a lefty. Otherwise, I believe they're all compatible.

goldie

December 23, 2012, 07:20 PM

i remember buying a mini 14 in the early 80's for 350,boy times have changed !what about this 100,000$ barrett 82 ? For $100,000 id rather buy a 2005 Gallardo or a house upstate n.y.at least those wont be outlawed. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322952358

Trent

December 23, 2012, 08:29 PM

Also, I have seen several rifles such as http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323186819

listed as "pre-ban". Are they referring to the 1994-2004 assault weapons ban?

Confused.

I saw another one listed pre-ban but don't recall the model.

There is STILL an assault weapons ban on the books; 922(r). It affects foreign-made rifles only, however (imports).

Anything imported before this doesn't require most of the parts be of US origin. Technically, anything AFTER the import ban can contain no MORE than 10 foreign parts, I believe, if it ALSO has features of an assault weapon (pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, and so on). Been awhile since I looked it up.

PRE-BAN items are still sold as such. It means you can do whatever the hell you want to them.

Techncially, on a POST-BAN rifle (such as a modern WASR10) is limited in what you can do. For example, putting an East German folding stock on a WASR10 would violate the law, as it would then contain more than X number of foreign parts.

Hotshot10

December 23, 2012, 08:46 PM

Its crazy, and people are buying at that price. Being Christmas and a slow economy it seems people still have plenty of spending cash, that or they will be paying off large credit card sums.

My LGS said they're seeing many, many more transactions placed on credit cards than normal. People are spending money they don't have. Go figure. :rolleyes:

breakingcontact

December 23, 2012, 08:49 PM

Trent thanks for the knowledge on the pr-ban terminology. Suppose that's out of my wheelhouse.

See what this week holds for prices after Christmas!

Trent

December 23, 2012, 09:01 PM

Trent thanks for the knowledge on the pr-ban terminology. Suppose that's out of my wheelhouse.

See what this week holds for prices after Christmas!

I was working part time in a local gun shop Saturday (helping out for free, I'm friends with the owner).

Call, after call, after call for assault rifles. Foot traffic like crazy, people looking for magazines and AR's.

This is AFTER all of the local shops are already OUT, and the wholesalers are OUT.

I don't expect prices will be going DOWN anytime soon.

This is all pretty gut wrenching for me. Earlier this year I sold 25 of the Rock River AR-15 receivers I had been holding on to since I closed my shop, to the State Police armorer, for $120 each.

Man am I kicking myself over that. Those could have funded a year of college for my boy at the prices they're going for now.

Ole Coot

December 23, 2012, 09:16 PM

I just checked Gunbroker and I'm rich! I could sell everything I have and throw in a slingshot and retire in comfort.

bushmaster1313

December 23, 2012, 09:33 PM

A lesson in basic economics and the inefficiencies of government controlled markets.

Because of the fear and apprehension caused by government officials talking about future restrictions, demand has shot up resulting in panic buying, causing prices to follow.

The net result is an inefficient transfer of wealth from the gun buying public to the gun dealers.

In an efficient market the gun buying public would have strung their purchases out resulting in greater employment and an increase in the Nation's goods and services.

Instead, the middlemen and dealers reap huge rewards (not to be begrudged) but the public's wealth is spent and layoffs will ensue at gun manufacturers and gun dealers because the buying public has nothing left to spend.

Can't fix stupid.

goldie

December 23, 2012, 09:43 PM

Its amazing the kaos caused by the actions of 1 person......

breakingcontact

December 23, 2012, 09:49 PM

Even if demand stays somewhat high, if production catches up or in fact increases, absent any new laws, then prices should fall from their current premiums.

Will be interesting to see how long demand stays THIS strong. Unlike the federal government...we can't keep printing money to spend.

Just sitting on the sidelines. I don't stand to make a fortune but I didn't get myself into a panic situation either.

jmace57

December 23, 2012, 09:52 PM

Dang, I have a PSA AR I built myself about 6 months ago - the components cost $640 - I'm tempted to make myself some money.

Of course I believe that even if the AWB doesn't happen, that prices might not drop to earlier levels for a while.

evan price

December 24, 2012, 06:15 AM

Man oh man the stupid strikes fast nowadays.

If this is anything like 2009, then a lot of that stuff they bought high on credit cards will turn up on Gunbroker at a discount when they can't push the plastic payoff back far enough. Let's at least look forward to that!

Trent

December 24, 2012, 12:23 PM

What took a couple of months last time, happened in less than a week, this time.

From some discussions I have had with various distributors and sellers, it seems that there will be a concerted push to get as much product out as fast as possible in the coming months. With luck, increased supply will lower demand to allow those of us (myself included) who have ongoing projects to get them done.

Did so many folks fail their civics lessons? Ex post facto is specifically spoken about in Article 1 Secotion 9. No way that DiFi can get our existing firearms removed from us by declairing them 'illegal'. Keep up the pressure, we can win this one. Yes, this is coming from someone that regularly votes Democrat.

$2500 for a RRA Operator AR-15 (lots of goodies... but daaaamn.)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323380390

PS90's still going for $2500
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323753677
(I couldn't GIVE one of those away a few months ago.. sigh. Last one I sold went for 1350)

breakingcontact

December 28, 2012, 12:50 PM

Are these buy it now, auction or a mix? Sorry. Not clicking on all the links. I think I'm starting to see actual sale prices fall a bit. But that may not be proven by the numbers if I studied it.

Trueno

December 28, 2012, 01:14 PM

1k of M855 sold for $1,200+ the other day. :rolleyes:
It's called "penetrator" but ATF doesn't even have it listed as AP anymore.

I have a 223 AK drum that I'm taking to the gunshow tomorrow but will probably wind up listing on GB, we'll see how it goes.

t

breakingcontact

December 28, 2012, 01:55 PM

About 3 weeks ago...1000 rounds of green tip was $400.

CoRoMo

December 28, 2012, 02:03 PM

Its amazing the kaos caused by the actions of 1 person......
Actually there are uncountable droves of people calling for new, stricter gun control legislation.

Trueno

December 28, 2012, 02:15 PM

Actually there are uncountable droves of people calling for new, stricter gun control legislation.

Yes, and they were spurred to action by the acts of one person.

t

CoRoMo

December 28, 2012, 02:22 PM

Yup. I assumed the 'kaos' that he mentioned was the panic buying and not the knee-jerk reactions to the shooting.

Queen_of_Thunder

December 28, 2012, 05:58 PM

Look at the prices for 5.7 pistols, ammo and mags. Prices are too good to ignore and I'm now looking for a buyer for mine. People are actually paying $65 a box for a 50 round box. I see no other option as it's crazy to not sell it. I'm taking a hard look at what I have and deciding if I want to keep it.

breakingcontact

December 29, 2012, 12:53 AM

I"m happy to have found a big stack of 9mm at the local Academy this evening. Never thought I'd be happy to buy Monarch steel cased ammo. $10 a box.

sean326

December 29, 2012, 08:44 AM

From some discussions I have had with various distributors and sellers, it seems that there will be a concerted push to get as much product out as fast as possible in the coming months. With luck, increased supply will lower demand to allow those of us (myself included) who have ongoing projects to get them done.

Did so many folks fail their civics lessons? Ex post facto is specifically spoken about in Article 1 Secotion 9. No way that DiFi can get our existing firearms removed from us by declairing them 'illegal'. Keep up the pressure, we can win this one. Yes, this is coming from someone that regularly votes Democrat.
the way the new AWB is written it bans future transfer of any kind, gift, sale etc. That means that upon your death your estate must turn in the guns, you cannot pass them on to your kids or have your estate sell them.

breakingcontact

December 29, 2012, 10:19 AM

That's not a "new AWB". Its a proposed bill that's swinging for the fences.

ToraBoraBlues

December 29, 2012, 12:31 PM

I put a Mega Arms AR-10 receiver on back order for a few hundred. Saw some (just receiver upper/lower sets) going for around 2k.

I am selling my CZ58 and will hopefully make a hundred or two off it. Not asking anything crazy for it.

Trent

December 29, 2012, 01:30 PM

Are these buy it now, auction or a mix? Sorry. Not clicking on all the links. I think I'm starting to see actual sale prices fall a bit. But that may not be proven by the numbers if I studied it.

All of the auctions / values I have quoted in this thread have been auctions with active bid activity; meaning, someone entered a bid, and bid on the item.

I have excluded "no bid" or "buy now" auctions from the beginning.

breakingcontact

December 29, 2012, 04:59 PM

Nice. Thanks for your work on keeping us updated. Still looks like most entry and mid level ARs have doubled. Pmags $40-$50. 556 ammo still nuts.

Found a bunch of 9mm in stock locally and thought I struck steel cased gold.

Trent

December 29, 2012, 10:42 PM

Pistol ammo isn't becoming rare yet, but it's only a matter of time.

Handgun magazines also aren't showing signs of an increase on the internet, although I *have* seen local shops already marking up Glock and other high capacity magazines to a whopping $60. They're trying to take advantage of the panic; not everyone has internet or knows how to search for stuff.

Hapworth

December 30, 2012, 12:12 AM

Pistol ammo isn't becoming rare yet, but it's only a matter of time.

Handgun magazines also aren't showing signs of an increase on the internet, although I *have* seen local shops already marking up Glock and other high capacity magazines to a whopping $60. They're trying to take advantage of the panic; not everyone has internet or knows how to search for stuff.9mm FMJ seems to be drying up something scary...

And the sites that are charging MSRP for mags can't say when they'll ship -- it's all backordered.

If you have a good source, PM me. ;)

76shuvlinoff

December 30, 2012, 12:25 AM

I turned down $2500 for an new LE6020. (4) 30 rd PMAGS, and 2000 rds of brass cased 223 tonight. In the first place I don't need to sell any of it and at the prices I am seeing, $2500 isn't enough.

bayesian

December 30, 2012, 12:29 AM

I hate for this to be my first post and all but can I note that the feeling that lots of folks have right now, basically "holy crap, everything is unavailable" is exactly the feeling that is magnified by the crowd and leads to these shortages.

Look, here's the thing. In the short term, maybe think about stamp collecting or what not... just don't keep surfing the same sights and keeping saying "Holy crap!!!". This too shall pass.

Thing is, production capacity isn't entirely elastic, especially in the face of pretty large increases in demand. But, keep in mind, 9mm ain't going away. Maybe you're a bit less practiced in the next couple of months, but mark my words, April will roll around and we'll have all the rounds that we might want (and could previously afford to buy).

So, why do I know this? Because for a vast swath of supplies, be it ammo, magazines, or what not, there will be money to be made, and there really isn't any legislation in the cards that is going to make alot of these basic supplies scarce. I've been through too many different scares and this all looks the same. And it all basically plays out the same. So, lets all untwist our panties, take a deep breath, and maybe take a walk and enjoy the new year. Seriously.

KevininPa

December 30, 2012, 11:51 AM

.....this guy would at least do the conversion first on this Saiga:

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/196720-saiga-ak47-7-62x39.html

It would justify the price more.

Holy Crap it sold. An unconverted 7.63X39 Saiga with a couple of 30 rounders for $995!

jeff-10

December 30, 2012, 11:57 AM

I can't imagine why anyone would buy ARs or 5.56/223 ammo at this time unless they absolutely had to. At this point I would let it cool off to June or so. Eventually the panic buying will subside (or the buyers will run out of $)and if at some point Congress actually manages to do anything related to gun control or basically any other major issue, it will be years down the road.

willroute

December 31, 2012, 12:08 AM

yup, wish I had of bought more pmags

willroute

January 1, 2013, 12:32 PM

Funny thing is 9mm and 22LR are drying up everywhere at local stores. I even saw a few online retailers sold out. Things are getting weird when people are running on 22Lr.
Granted, it is a great caliber, but times are weird.

larryh1108

January 1, 2013, 12:58 PM

I think people are getting caught up in the mood and are buying anything they think they may need in the foreseeable future. If you can find any ammo at "regualr" retail then buy it. I would not pay a premium for the everyday ammo we've always bought. Prices will stabilize soon so why waste your money?

Trent

January 1, 2013, 01:07 PM

I haven't posted any updates as things are pretty much remaining stable at the peak prices I last posted. Remember, those are only peak prices.

WASR10 back down to $550
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323928151
Or $505
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324002190

Trent

January 1, 2013, 01:15 PM

I think people are getting caught up in the mood and are buying anything they think they may need in the foreseeable future. If you can find any ammo at "regualr" retail then buy it. I would not pay a premium for the everyday ammo we've always bought. Prices will stabilize soon so why waste your money?

Hate to say it, but prices never returned to "regular" after 2008.

"Regular" is whatever people will pay. 5 years ago I could buy 2-3x as much ammo for the same amount of money. Some ammo has "gone up" over 300% in the last few years.

In 2002 I could have a case of Wolf 7.62x39 delivered to my house for $69. In 2006 I was buying Wolf by the case at $125 and thought THAT was high priced. Now the same case of Wolf is running near to $300. That's a 434% increase in price in a decade, 240% increase in price in 5 years.

jmace57

January 1, 2013, 03:10 PM

OK - we've offiially moved into crazy territory. I just saw a (lightly) used Hi-Point JCP sell for $425 on an on-line auction. This normally sells for $159 not on sale. geez

Chevelle SS

January 1, 2013, 03:20 PM

I have some M&P 15-22 mags on there right now :evil:

Queen_of_Thunder

January 1, 2013, 03:25 PM

What's really crazy is there really isn't that much in. 223 or 5.56 available on gun broker.

Hapworth

January 1, 2013, 05:39 PM

I think the tide's receding some -- at least for the moment.

New Colt AR15 6920s, which were selling near to $3000 last week, aren't moving with "Buy it Now" prices at $2200; bids seem to be topping out at $1900 whether or not the meet reserve. (Obviously lots of AR models to follow, but I chose this one for its ubiquity and popularity as a top-tier but affordable AR).

KelTec Sub-2000s the same: selling for about $1000 last week, but today bids are holding around $700 whether that meets the reserve or not.

I'm guessing come the weekend many auctions will finish or get pulled and relisted at lower prices.

Really interested to see what the retail shops will do. Mine's still listing the aforementioned Colt at $3000.

If the bill is introduced 3 Jan, watch the nature of the coverage, the talking points and especially the trial balloons to see if prices continue to drop or spike back up.

That's not a "new AWB". Its a proposed bill that's swinging for the fences.
^This....

SFCRandall

January 2, 2013, 02:29 AM

Just casual browsing of auction sites makes me think prices have crested. As mentioned earlier, colts aren't going much past 1900.00 and some are not being bid on at all.

Ignition Override

January 2, 2013, 02:40 AM

Has anyone else here checked the 4 solid pages of SKS listings on Gunbroker in the last week?

Some of the prices indicate that certain sellers are eating 'Space Brownies' smuggled from Amsterdam, or tripping on delusion/hypoxia.
Many others are at prices, following a few bids, which are about $50 more than the same types displayed in March '08, months before the famous election. Most show no sign of any panic, due to the wide competition.

People seem to be either unaware of GB, not willing to trust those with excellent feedback, pay some shipping+FFL costs,
or is the SKS still the uncool sleeper rifle?

tarosean

January 2, 2013, 03:10 AM

Out of curiosity, did NFA items also spike up??? Seems to me that some of the prices listed for run of the mill stuff would have been a nice entry into the NFA world. Oh well

Telekinesis

January 2, 2013, 03:49 AM

Out of curiosity, did NFA items also spike up??? Seems to me that some of the prices listed for run of the mill stuff would have been a nice entry into the NFA world. Oh well

From what I've seen NFA items haven't really spiked much (apart from the mags that feed them, of course). Some machine guns are a bit higher than 6-8 months ago, but they haven't seen a real spike as a result of the AWB talk. Suppressors haven't moved a bit. For one, NFA items aren't really the target of any legislation at the moment, but the main reason is that the 5-6 month wait doesn't lend itself well to panic buying. "Oh my god I need to buy this RIGHT now.... so I can play with it in June"

The only thing that the run on guns is really affecting in the NFA world is the guys building their own SBRs. I've actually been putting off buying a 8" .300 Blk barrel for my AR, and now it looks like they're not going to be in stock until mid March. That'll show me! :banghead: Honestly the only thing I can think of people looking to stock up on (if anything) are threaded barrels for pistols, and there you really only need one per gun.

And I agree about some of those AR/AKs getting close to machine gun prices. I've actually been thinking about selling my AK to help fund a MAC 11/9. If only I'd been able to buy a handfull of AR lowers before all this happened... I might have been able to afford a registered receiver M16 :D

cowhrse1

January 2, 2013, 01:14 PM

Overall things are crazy on pricing! I am one who said, "I'll ride it out and pick up another one next year when the fire dies down." That worked well UNTIL I came across a dealer who had a few Sig M400's they were selling for the same price they were 6 months ago! Now I'm +1 heavier :cool: however, I refuse to pay the inflated prices on anything.

goldie

January 2, 2013, 02:49 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323885969 :what: & i thought i paid alot when i got mine for $2,000.00 & its another newly registered numnut......

Hapworth

January 2, 2013, 04:59 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323885969 :what: & i thought i paid alot when i got mine for $2,000.00 & its another newly registered numnut......
Good grief -- the reserve is met at $7000 and the seller has one rep point and that's as a buyer, and this is the seller's only listing. :eek:

Trent

January 2, 2013, 05:20 PM

Good grief -- the reserve is met at $7000 and the seller has one rep point and that's as a buyer, and this is the seller's only listing. :eek:

What, all that, but the part about him only taking wire transfers for payment didn't bother you??? :)

Hapworth

January 2, 2013, 06:53 PM

What, all that, but the part about him only taking wire transfers for payment didn't bother you??? :)
I meant to mention that AND the "as is -- no refunds" stipulation.

One of the few times I actually hope the bids are from shills...

larryh1108

January 2, 2013, 08:43 PM

If you look at the bid history, the first bid was legit. This mystery new buyer was the only one who bid until he hit $7000. Smells entirely phoney to me esp with the wire transfer only.

Analogkid

January 2, 2013, 08:54 PM

No affiliation to me but There is One of these is Like new condition at http://www.dennydennis.com/
on their consignment rack for $950.

:eek: I almost just fell off my chair. That same bidder just got a positive for buying this :http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323905505 :what: :what: Who has 15 grand to blow on two guns like this ?

Trent

January 5, 2013, 01:43 PM

Whoa. That's just crazy.

I held a Galil in 308 back in 1999, was a private face to face seller, he wanted about $2500 for it at the time (this was during the original AWB). Too rich for my blood at the time.

I can't believe they are going for that much now, when there is NOT an assault weapons ban in effect.

19-3Ben

January 5, 2013, 02:12 PM

I just looked around GB. It seems like things may be leveling out? I saw some insane asking prices on AK mags but not many overpriced bids. there were some overpriced guns (like a WASR at $1300) but they seemed to be the exception rather than the rule.
I was also looking at prices for the SKS-M. thought they'd be higher. Most seem to be in the $500-$700 range. No big shakes there.

goldie

January 5, 2013, 04:39 PM

^^I paid 400 for my wasr a few years ago,couldnt imagine spending up to 1400, which is the most i saw it going for.when things cool off ,these buyers better not go on gunbroker & see how bad they screwed themselves :p

Trent

January 5, 2013, 07:38 PM

Work has kept me too busy this week to do any substantial update.. and I've spent a lot of time in the basement reloading. :)

I'll try to get another update done tomorrow across the board.

Hapworth

January 5, 2013, 09:08 PM

I just looked around GB. It seems like things may be leveling out?I thought it might be until today.

I've been using the Colt AR-15 6920 as a yardstick, and up until yesterday, prices -- which had climbed to near $3000 (that's sold price, ended auction) -- had steadily dropped down to $2000.

Today, several multi-bid auctions are near ending at the $2500 mark.

I think there was an initial panic buy; it settled a bit as the first wave was satisfied and prices went down some; lot of gun stores closed a few days for New Years and then inventory, reopened and all the waiting buyers saw there's virtually nothing left and are driving the prices back up.

Sub-2000s (my other yardstick), are following a similar curve.

Going to be spring, perhaps summer for this to normalize -- and that's only assuming the ban talk diminishes.

Queen_of_Thunder

January 5, 2013, 10:37 PM

Well I finally did it. I put my DPMS up for sale. It went for $1400 which I believed was a fair price even though it was used. I also included 4 aluminum 30 round mags and 60 rounds of ammo. Took it to the gun shop and it sold within 2 hours.

goldie

January 5, 2013, 10:44 PM

For half the price of those galils, this seller has 'em both,if you see his other auctions. http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11653288/rifles-for-sale/semi-auto-rifle/galil-galil-223-with-5-mags That guy would really kick himself if he saw this,thats why you have to shop around!:neener:

lionking

January 5, 2013, 11:38 PM

I have saved a few auctions for various rifles the least few days, AR, AK, M1A, FAL and such and see a pattern that almost ALL bidders and winners are newbies with no feedback or 1 or 2 feedback.

Like this one I just watched end, look at the bidders

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324652661

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324774980

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324805050

lionking

January 5, 2013, 11:48 PM

Guitar is a higher passion of mine than guns though I love shooting, this last year and a half I used my spending money on a strat, 3 Marshall amps and some pedals and I don't regret it but what I regret within it is not getting a Saiga and a newer post ban M1A standard back then, now I can't bring myself to buy it at the recent pricing. Besides that no ammo to be found at a decent price to feed them anyway meh....

One filled with junk.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324103087

You could buy the lowers at one time for 250.00

Derek Zeanah

January 7, 2013, 02:26 PM

Wow, that makes me want to sell a stripped lower...

Trent

January 7, 2013, 04:27 PM

Uhh... $1500 for AR lowers?

Yeah, so they're Larue. Big deal. They hold parts together just like the rest. :)

I'm filing this under "Yougottabekiddingme."

At these prices I'm tempted to disassemble my AR-15's, sell the lowers, buy 80% receivers and mill them out for my own selfish purposes (as they'd lack serial #'s and there'd be no documentation).

"These are not the assault rifles you are looking for"...

762gunr

January 7, 2013, 11:46 PM

Uhh... $1500 for AR lowers?

Yeah, so they're Larue. Big deal. They hold parts together just like the rest. :)

I'm filing this under "Yougottabekiddingme."

At these prices I'm tempted to disassemble my AR-15's, sell the lowers, buy 80% receivers and mill them out for my own selfish purposes (as they'd lack serial #'s and there'd be no documentation).

"These are not the assault rifles you are looking for"...
What this guys said...........the lower truly does just hold crap. It holds the FCG and the magazine......no nead for a super high speed lower.
People are just retarded.

Queen_of_Thunder

January 8, 2013, 09:45 AM

While I would like to believe that things are getting better I know they are not. I was looking for reloading dies and they are now out if stock.

MagnumDweeb

January 8, 2013, 11:27 AM

If my AR15 build gets completed at the local gunshop in the next month I may unload my Saiga .223 16" with six high capacity magazines. I'm not taking less than $1,500 for what cost me a total of about $400 (bought the Saiga used for $250 years ago).

I should feel bad but I won't, most of these folks who are buying now were probably democrat supporters. I'm also thinking of unloading an old Romanian SKS rifle with a thousand rounds of 7.62x39, for $800.

Sorry got to fund my projects in case the AWB goes through and if it doesn't I could have $2,300 for fun purchases in nine months when this all settles down.:evil:

Killian

January 8, 2013, 11:59 AM

So far this panic isn't so bad. I still remember SKS's selling for $99 in the Shotgun News in 94 and then 2 weeks later selling for $400. 4x as much. Same thing happened to Ak47's. Remember when they were $239 and then went to $850-1000? Right now AR's are $800 or so at Walmart. 4x as much would be $3200. I saw some for $2000 the other day at the gunshow. So only 2.5 times what they were a few weeks ago. So I don't think a full panic is on yet actually.

Another example. I saw SKS's by the crate full at a shop in TN about 4 weeks ago. Wanted $389 each. 4x that would be $1550. I know most people don't believe it is possible...yet...but if Congress starts debating on some serious ban in the next couple of weeks...or actually passes one....then these prices right now are going to seem like bargains.

Trent

January 8, 2013, 12:09 PM

I just realized last night when I went to work up 300 Win Mag ladder loads, I'm nearly out of Large Rifle Magnum primers (have 200 left). I stocked up on LR, LP, SR, SP, SR Benchrest, SR Military (CCI), and CCI No 35 Arsenal primers (for 50 BMG)... But I forgot all about my WLRM! 10 years of adding primers to the pile and I neglect the ones that I was short on.

What dropped prices on guns during the last ban was the removal of "evil features" and the resumption of making new--"streamlined"--semi autos. Once people realized they could still buy an AR15 just without a bayonet lug and flash hider, but still capable of shooting 30rds out of the left over mags out there, the prices on all guns fell back. Then you had designations like "preban" and "postban" becoming important.

Dems aren't going to make that mistake again. They left an "out" in their legislation that allowed manufacturers to keep making the most vital part of an "assault weapon"--the ability to shoot lots of bullets quickly from a hi capacity magazine. The next legislation will not have 3 or more evil features. It will have 1. Can this weapon fire from a detached magazine of greater than 10 rounds? Yes? Then it's banned. There won't be any reduction in rifle prices because all the rifles out there will be the "last ones ever". For comparison, look at the prices on machine guns in the Class III camp. I'm sure there were guys who use to say, "No one would ever pay $4000 for a Sten gun!" They do now though. Why is that? Because no new ones are being made.

goldie

January 8, 2013, 04:47 PM

I remember when psg-1 rifles were 9-10k, but a g3? these prices are crazy & so are the buyers.& 6 months ago you couldnt even give away an acr! :what:

Babarsac

January 8, 2013, 04:50 PM

these prices are crazy & so are the buyers

Considering that I saw a HK G3 on ARFCOM for 1/3 of what the bidder has on Gunbroker.

goldie

January 8, 2013, 07:00 PM

From a penny to 3500,in a 1 day auction; http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325226480

6.5x55swedish

January 8, 2013, 07:56 PM

Asking prices are high but actual bids are low... there are over 7000 AR variants listed right now and the vast majority of off the shelf guns have no bids...

I think very soon we may see a case of supply out pacing demand as manufacturers get caught up and stores are re-stocked. Probably in a months time you will be able to find new guns listed below retail as people attempt to unload all the guns they bought up.

breakingcontact

January 8, 2013, 09:38 PM

Its impossible to know what direction prices will go. Not just dealing w economic forces but the gubmint pushing things one way or the other. Way too many variables. Sell now while they are high? Wait and sell for a fortune down the road? Hold onto them and they'll be worth about the same or of very little value? Who knows.

larryh1108

January 8, 2013, 10:24 PM

I think the panic buyers who HAD to have what they wanted all got their needs filled at a high premium. I think all you'll see now is the usual shoppers who won't pay the stupid prices except for the high end stuff. I don't know where the new "average" prices will be but I think it will be near what it was before the panic buying.

Akita1

January 9, 2013, 10:07 PM

I got "lucky" on a case of Federal 55gr on GB yesterday for 0.70/round. Yes that sucked (paid 0.35 last year) but I'm totally out of .223 and the retail stores, web sites, etc. have NOTHING - Cabela's has a waiting list of over 200k people for a case of Federal .223! Everything else I'm seeing on GB (with sellers who have more than zero or 1 feedback) is 0.90+/round. The gun show last weekend in Orlando didn't have anything less than 1.00/round, and that was all foreign battle pack garbage. Insanity prevails and the market dictates value - yay capitalism!

CZguy

January 9, 2013, 11:40 PM

Insanity prevails and the market dictates value - yay capitalism!

I like this exercise in the free market. Just exercise patience, and you'll come through the panic just fine.

LubeckTech

January 9, 2013, 11:47 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324103087

What is the odd (to me) lever on the side of this lower??

tarosean

January 10, 2013, 06:34 AM

What is the odd (to me) lever on the side of this lower??

Its not a lever... They are just couplers that joint the Trigger and Hammer pins, so they cannot "walk" or "rotate".

Seriously, for that kind of change (over 12k now) your into the range of the real deal Machine gun with the NFA stamp. Least with that I know it will never get banned.

CLP

January 10, 2013, 10:38 AM

Its not a lever... They are just couplers that joint the Trigger and Hammer pins, so they cannot "walk" or "rotate".
Geesh...can't believe someone paid 1500 for that....

Trent

January 10, 2013, 11:02 AM

A fool and their money are soon parted...

I've been a hoarder for almost 2 decades now, and this run on guns is seriously tempting me to sell off some of my precious pile.

I dunno. I get the feeling we're seeing a lot of "recycled" merchandise right now. Buy and re-list. Buy and re-list. Just to ramp up prices even more. Impossible to tell, really. But when I scan these listings there are certain pieces that seem to be popping out at me and giving me a feeling of de-ja-vu.

Majority of bidders have no feedback and look like newbies ready to overpay. With the media continuing to make news out of this, there are plenty of people with more $ than sense looking to get 'em before their banned . . . .

Majority of bidders have no feedback and look like newbies ready to overpay. With the media continuing to make news out of this, there are plenty of people with more $ than sense looking to get 'em before their banned . . . .

Blonde

Haha..hah.. oh my God, I thought you were joking.

Up to $3k.. and it don't even have GLASS on it.

Really.

At MOST I could see $2k for a finely tuned, accurized AR with a match trigger, some ergonomic bits, and high quality parts, but that's a stretch, without glass.

My perception is all wrong for this new environment. I just don't see the value where this stuff is sitting at.. and I *really* like guns.

6.5x55swedish

January 11, 2013, 09:09 PM

So when gas prices are artificially inflated investigations are launched and fines levied... When do the investigations start for scalping on brand new guns?

Hapworth

January 11, 2013, 09:22 PM

So when gas prices are artificially inflated investigations are launched and fines levied... When do the investigations start for scalping on brand new guns?
Never, because fuel is considered a basic necessity and subject gouging laws; firearms, not so much...

We may come to look back at the first X pages of this thread and realize it was "the calm before the storm."Not on AR-15s they haven't; Colt 6029s are climbing again.

I do expect it to drop soon though; the Administration is currently signaling they won't (read: can't) go after assault weapons; we'll see if that holds.

It appears their big targets will be magazines and private sales. Biden is scheduled to give recommendations Tuesday. If as signaled (and who knows, the signals might be sleight of hand, though I don't think so), rifle and ammo prices will go back down and the panic will be for magazines and the last of the un-regulated private sales; lotta folks will want firearms that are off the books.

Queen_of_Thunder

January 12, 2013, 10:36 AM

Just checked gunbroker again on 5.56 ammo prices. 200 rounds of UMC now $161 vs $200+. M855 @$.80 a round vs$.90 last night and $1.60 a round a few days ago. Looks like the market is returning to a more resonable price for 223/556 ammo. Doesn't mean it won't go back up but it does look like its getting cheaper.

KTXdm9

January 12, 2013, 02:20 PM

I just checked AK prices this morning. Lots of overpriced stuff with no bids. I think the panic is beginning to subside. I guess we'll see if it resurfaces with Biden's recommendations Tuesday.

breakingcontact

January 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

Regarding buying off the books...there are no "books" right now. If there were...you would have to be ready to account for every firearm you have ever bought through an FFL.

Regarding prices...whatever we hear or don't next week are sure to push them either direction.

larryh1108

January 12, 2013, 03:54 PM

I believe the true panic buyers have already bought their toys. I believe the speculators are all now holding to see if their gamble paid off or if they lost money. I believe the mainstream owners/buyers are waiting to see what the market dictates. Hopefully the madness is behind us and we return to normalcy no matter what is proposed. Proposed is not law. I feel they don't have the votes needed to pass anything. The toothless EOs may come but it won't do anything to our present rights. It will be smoke and mirrors to have Obama keep face.

The prices people are paying for 80% complete lowers is craziness. If you have a cnc lathe and can complete it yourself or have a friend with a lathe who will do it for you, you don't need to buy one 80% done because you can do the entire lower for much cheaper.

If not what are you going to do with it? A machine shop isn't going to finish milling it for you... that would be a violation of federal law.

Bubbles

January 15, 2013, 10:08 AM

CNC equipment is not needed to finish an 80% lower, though it does make the process easier and quicker. Someone with the templates, hand tools, and patience can do it.

Trent

January 15, 2013, 11:18 AM

A lathe won't help you finish an 80% AR lower.

You need a milling machine or sturdy drill press with a milling table.

KevininPa

January 15, 2013, 12:06 PM

........Remington pump 7615 has gained some value lately:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325281073

Almost ready to go at a shade less than $800 with 36 minutes left.

beeb173

January 15, 2013, 12:09 PM

17 round glock mags are going for $60 a piece. it's not over yet.

KevininPa

January 15, 2013, 12:49 PM

........Remington pump 7615 has gained some value lately:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325281073

Almost ready to go at a shade less than $800 with 36 minutes left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325281073

SOLD! For $1225. My pump has really gained some value! A lot of sniping in that last 36 minutes.

CZguy

January 15, 2013, 01:00 PM

This one really surprised me. H&R 999

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=324881912

That's a $300 gun that went for $720.00

6.5x55swedish

January 15, 2013, 02:10 PM

Yeah somebody wanted that model 999 pretty badly. Buds gun shop has one on their site for $177.00 right now.

tarosean

January 18, 2013, 03:17 AM

I think this person is trying to retire????

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?IncludeSellers=96610

over a grand for BCG's and not a typo since they have several....

2nd 41

January 18, 2013, 08:32 AM

The gouge/inflated prices...... a great way to make the firearm hobby self destruct. Especially the indoor ranges. They might benefit from sales right now but nobody will be a weekly shooter at these prices.

larryh1108

January 18, 2013, 08:50 AM

They might benefit from sales right now but nobody will be weekly shooter at these prices.

Totally agree. I used to shoot 2x a week. Then it went to once a week. Then it went to every other week. Then it went to once a month. Now it's every other month and I won't go shooting again until I can replace what I shot. Ammo prices and range fees have pushed me out of their doors. Not their greed, per se, but the overall cost to shoot has gotten out of hand. I shoot between 250-350 rounds per session, most centerfire. It costs me between $75 to $90 including range fees to shoot. I am getting set up to reload but the costs still are getting out of hand. Gone are the days of stopping in at the range when you had a few spare minutes. The ranges and small shops will suffer a great deal considering they can't get any guns to sell and ammo prices are thru the roof and they get in limited supplies right now. How will they survive a prolonged shortage and/or ban or restrcition?

herkyguy

January 18, 2013, 10:14 AM

I still shoot. I just have to shoot whatever ammo i can get my hands on, whether that be 9mm (unlikely) or .22 or 12 gauge target loads. the prices are nuts but i don't blame the sellers. it is what it is i strongly believe they have the right to ask whatever price they see fit.

Hapworth

January 21, 2013, 11:36 PM

Colt 6920s are starting to slow; selling at the $1900 to $2100 mark again (they reached a high of $3000 for the vanilla $1100 version). Watched several with bids still not sell because reserves ($2400 and up) weren't met; watched others with similar reserves get zero bids and close.

Hope the tide's actually beginning to recede...

tarosean

January 22, 2013, 12:46 AM

Im sure by now people either bought them or cannot afford the prices now.

mrvco

January 22, 2013, 01:05 AM

The rifles I've been searching have come down under the 2x mark (still solidly over 1.5x though). There are still some people high-balling over 2x with "GET IT NOW BEFORE YOU CAN'T!!!" listings, but they aren't selling. The most amazing aspect is the quantities available for sale... maybe 2 or 3 (at most) of a particular rifle pre-panic, now 15+ examples available for purchase on any given day. Lots of these seem to be private sales of "lightly used" rifles.

6.5x55swedish

January 22, 2013, 08:00 AM

I think that part of the reason we are not seeing stores re-stocked is that the Manufacturers are holding back stock to prevent their prices from plummeting. In a course of a few weeks the market was inundated with probably a years worth of inventory... If the restock now at MSRP the used prices are gonna fall well below that and then pull their MSRP down due to a lack of demand.

Jakemedic

January 22, 2013, 08:18 AM

Last evening, I saw a "bucket of 22" ammo on gun broker SELL for over 200.00. This is the same ammo, Remington Bucket O' Bullets, .22 LR, 1400 Rounds, that on sale was 47.00 on Black Friday. .223 going for over a DOLLAR a round in bulk? WOW!!!

Guess people have more money than I do. Morning Express said tickets to the super bowl costing more than a new car! I can watch it at home for free.

Guess you can't fix stupid.... well I guess you can, but currently it is illegal.

KevininPa

January 22, 2013, 01:50 PM

There is one currently up to $1500. Can't wait to see the "down-to-the-wire" sniping on this! Gonna have my Orvilles ready for that suspense! Funny how these are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden. :)

Wonder if they're being bid on by those NY people who said they would never buy one ? :neener:

Ignition Override

January 22, 2013, 02:10 PM

Does this mostly indicate that, if we EXclude ARs, AKs and other semi-auto sport utility guns, most people with the cash to buy what they want have Already bought it?

Ammo prices have already come down, and in the last few days, people saw lots of
(Russian?) 7.62x39 ammo in a retail store.
A week ago there were plenty of ammo choices at the gun show by Memphis.

I headed for the door after about 10 minutes, trying not to laugh out loud at the wide ammo selections, at such ridiculous prices that it might explain why so much ammo was on tables at 1:00 PM.

Trueno

January 22, 2013, 08:06 PM

I won't mention the company name but...We had two Bushmasters on the table last Saturday at the Houston show for 855 each. A small crowd was standing there gawking until two of them whipped out the cash and bought em. We had folks for 3 hours asking where the cheap Bushmasters were.

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KevininPa

January 23, 2013, 01:21 AM

If I see one go higher than $3500, I might get tempted to part with mine.

goldie

January 23, 2013, 09:30 AM

Romanian wasr's seem to be cooling off, there are asking prices up to 1400 but seem like they are going for half that...

breakingcontact

January 27, 2013, 03:30 AM

I know they were more expensive in the first place...but if you're shocked at AR mag prices, check out mini-14 magazine prices!

KevininPa

January 28, 2013, 09:53 AM

...........410 mag went for $200! :what:

goldie

January 28, 2013, 12:07 PM

I was looking on ebay, 10 round mags are going for stupid money. 10/22 factory mags are about 30-40.00 ...

GlockFan

January 28, 2013, 12:13 PM

$456 for 1000 rounds of Independence 9mm.

mrvco

January 28, 2013, 12:16 PM

I saw a NIB Sig 556 get bid up to and go for $3,775 yesterday, while identical NIB 556's (same model, same accessories, no extras) have and continue to sell for ~$2,000 on Gun Broker. I would hate to be that guy when he realizes he paid $1,775 more than the $2,000 that he could have paid for a ~$1,100 - $1,200 rifle. Silly times.

edit... And it was not a panic BIN sale (there was at least one BIN for $2,800)... 2 people bid this thing up to almost twice the current market price.

oneounceload

January 28, 2013, 12:21 PM

Its only silly if you do not have the disposable income. For some folks, that amount of money is irrelevant. I had a friend buy three shotguns two years ago. He paid almost $60,000 for those three - why? because he wanted them and could afford to buy them. Are they drop-dead gorgeous? Absolutely. Pricing is relative to current supply/demand market conditions and folks' incomes

mrvco

January 28, 2013, 12:34 PM

Its only silly if you do not have the disposable income. For some folks, that amount of money is irrelevant. I had a friend buy three shotguns two years ago. He paid almost $60,000 for those three - why? because he wanted them and could afford to buy them. Are they drop-dead gorgeous? Absolutely. Pricing is relative to current supply/demand market conditions and folks' incomes
$600, $6,000 or $60,000... I expect that he paid something commensurate with the current market value for those three shotguns and didn't just offer the seller twice the going rate. I've seen plenty of O/U works of art that look to be well worth their 5+ figure asking price (although I'm certainly no expert) and I never once considered it silly.

For what it's worth, I also can't even FIND several of my firearms at this point to get an idea of what their value is.

E.g semi-auto MG-34, none listed on GB. There's a transferable full auto MG34, but no semi's.

oneounceload

January 28, 2013, 12:57 PM

commensurate with the current market value

You have just mentioned the keys word - current market value. Right now, the current market value for anything black and plastic has skyrocketed due to outside market forces (the whitehouse). If someone WILLINGLY pays the asking price, then the price is correct at that moment for that product. When a seller raises his price to a point that no one buys at, then he has exceeded the current market value - doesn't matter if it guns, stocks, or a gallon of milk

taliv

January 28, 2013, 01:06 PM

i think mostly, the problem is people don't know where to look. my guess is the people buying right now are new to this and have not developed relationships with dealers over the years. and dealers right now are telling new customers that stuff just isn't available. but when they do get allocations from their distributors, many call their long-time bread and butter customers before the items hit the shelves. so new shooters just don't have the opportunity to buy and are resorting to panic auction prices.

point is, it's who you know. spending money over the past 10 years with mom and pop gun shops, when you could have got the same item for less money online, is paying off for some people right now. e.g. this weekend i turned down 2 NIB PS90s that were offered to me at $1650 each. do you think if i had spent the same money last ten years at cheaper than dirt, that they would recognize my name and continue to give me pre-election prices? ha

mrvco

January 28, 2013, 01:19 PM

You have just mentioned the keys word - current market value. Right now, the current market value for anything black and plastic has skyrocketed due to outside market forces (the whitehouse). If someone WILLINGLY pays the asking price, then the price is correct at that moment for that product. When a seller raises his price to a point that no one buys at, then he has exceeded the current market value - doesn't matter if it guns, stocks, or a gallon of milk
I definitely agree... I was just pointing out a particular auction that got over-bid for no apparent reason. When there are a dozen identical rifles sitting in front of you priced at ~$2,000, it's silly to choose the one that just happens to have a $3,800 price tag on it.

tarosean

January 28, 2013, 01:26 PM

point is, it's who you know. spending money over the past 10 years with mom and pop gun shops, when you could have got the same item for less money online, is paying off for some people right now. e.g. this weekend i turned down 2 NIB PS90s that were offered to me at $1650 each. do you think if i had spent the same money last ten years at cheaper than dirt, that they would recognize my name and continue to give me pre-election prices? ha

Gotta agree. I've never bought a gun from an online store. Sure I've bought hard to find ones on Gunbroker and from forum members. But I prefer to give my lgs my money for anything new I may want..

KevininPa

January 28, 2013, 07:20 PM

.......10/22 mags just went for $195. I'm really tempted to put mine up. I never use them. I just use the factory tens.

One thing I think is funny is what people are bidding for Saiga Kushnapup bullpup stocks. They're spending way over what it takes to just order one! I know because I just got one a couple weeks ago from the website. Delivery took three days! Got it for the Saiga .410. After seeing what they're selling for, was going to put the .410 up. Changed my mind, Not cheap but at least I can usually find .410!

silicosys4

January 28, 2013, 07:52 PM

spending money over the past 10 years with mom and pop gun shops, when you could have got the same item for less money online, is paying off for some people right now.

Wasn't how my LGS played it....
They had pmags at $25 and 5.56 ammo at $560/1k BEFORE online stocks ran out...I remember laughing at their $40 ak magazines that night while I was paying $15 each online.
And they are as mom and pop as it gets.

The only entity that I feel has kept a long term mindset is MidwayUSA, with their practice of limiting purchase amounts, instead of using outrageous prices to force customers to limit themselves.

Trent

January 28, 2013, 09:10 PM

do you think if i had spent the same money last ten years at cheaper than dirt, that they would recognize my name and continue to give me pre-election prices? ha

Exactly. This is how I managed to pick up a S&W M&P AR-15 Performance Center model for $1250 a couple weeks ago. Dealer called and said "Truck is on the way with three of them, you want me to hold one for you?" When I found out he wasn't gouging me, I took him up on it. :)

I also helped him get set up with new vendors/etc, he's old and doesn't understand the "computer thing", so favors go both ways.

goldie

January 28, 2013, 10:06 PM

$3800 for the fs2000? double what i paid.what a bargain i got. Boy if the ban does not happen there is going to be so much money lost to overpriced buying the suicide rate might increase.:what:

taliv

January 28, 2013, 10:08 PM

Wasn't how my LGS played it....

bummer. i imagine you've found other people to deal with.

rbernie

January 28, 2013, 10:12 PM

Wasn't how my LGS played it....
They had pmags at $25 and 5.56 ammo at $560/1k BEFORE online stocks ran out...I remember laughing at their $40 ak magazines that night while I was paying $15 each online.
And they are as mom and pop as it gets.

A bunch of the local mom-n-pop shops have no stock, and are selling a lot of consignment kit. It's a tough spot for many - either have bare walls, or sell consignment gear (at possibly inflated pricing set by the seller) and at least let folk make the decision to buy/not buy for themselves.

Trent

January 28, 2013, 10:35 PM

$3800 for the fs2000? double what i paid.what a bargain i got. Boy if the ban does not happen there is going to be so much money lost to overpriced buying the suicide rate might increase.:what:

Yup.

I have to admit, at these prices, even *I* am tempted to sell some stuff off. Hell, if I sold my FN gear, I could pay off my 2012 mustang a few years early... We're not talking peanuts at these prices.

I just can't stomach letting GO of the stuff.

:(

CZguy

January 28, 2013, 11:57 PM

I have to admit, at these prices, even *I* am tempted to sell some stuff off

I know what you mean. I'm holding onto the ARs, but I did have a Romanian AK that had sat in the back of the gun safe for a long time.

mrvco

January 29, 2013, 12:26 AM

$3800 for the fs2000? double what i paid.what a bargain i got. Boy if the ban does not happen there is going to be so much money lost to overpriced buying the suicide rate might increase.:what:
Not to mention a lot tears as folks shoot through thousands of rounds of panic-priced ammo.

Trent

January 29, 2013, 10:05 AM

Hell, at a buck + a round it's no longer ammo. It's like, art or something. You have to like, line it up in designer patterns and take lots of pictures of it, and ponder the intricacies by which it's constructed.

You know, search for a deeper inner meaning on how it affects your metaphysical well being, or something.

Not go BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG and then cry because you just spent $10.

Trent

January 31, 2013, 09:38 AM

Temptation has got the better of me, finally.

A customer of mine I've worked with for 16 years offered me $2200 for a PS90, 2 mags, and 200 rounds of ammo yesterday, and I took the offer.

Looks like next month's car payment will be bigger than usual. :)

Bubbles

January 31, 2013, 09:56 AM

I'm holding onto the ARs, but I did have a Romanian AK that had sat in the back of the gun safe for a long time.
And that's the point - you and a lot of other people have decided that prices are high enough that you can justify selling off the highly sought-after guns that had otherwise just been sitting in your safe. If prices weren't that high there would be absolutely nothing to purchase right now; everyone with a gun would hold on to it.

goldie

January 31, 2013, 12:45 PM

There is a gun shop by me that has the following prices on two guns; scar 223,$6500 , & sig 556scm $3100-i couldnt see the price on the galil arm but can only imagine. that is so insane & at that point its just not worth putting that kind of money into.The shop is in NY & can only sell them out of state;good luck !..

breakingcontact

January 31, 2013, 03:49 PM

I'd be comfortable buying or selling somewhere between "what they went for before" and these wildly high prices.

mrvco

January 31, 2013, 04:26 PM

There is a gun shop by me that has the following prices on two guns; scar 223,$6500 , & sig 556scm $3100-i couldnt see the price on the galil arm but can only imagine. that is so insane & at that point its just not worth putting that kind of money into.The shop is in NY & can only sell them out of state;good luck !..
All it takes is one....

On Gun Broker, I've been seeing particular NIB rifles going for say $2,000 all day, every day... someone sticks an identical NIB rifle up with a BIN price of twice that and someone buys it right up.

I guess some folks hear about the panic, do a search on Gun Broker and see this gun for sale that is purportedly "impossible to get", so they think they just struck gold, throw caution to the wind and click BIN without doing any more research.

larryh1108

January 31, 2013, 05:17 PM

The thing is, the new buyers do their research and check to see what a particular gun has sold for in the last month and base the value on that. So, they think they are getting a deal at current market value, which they are, but they have no idea how inflated the prices are and how they should drop back to a normalcy in a few months. They'll choke on their wine when they see the real prices when the dust settles.

Bovice

January 31, 2013, 05:21 PM

I bought a gun just yesterday on gunbroker. The "buy now" price was only slightly above pre-panic and the auction had been up only a few minutes. Easy.

lobo9er

January 31, 2013, 05:24 PM

bovice what'd you get?

breakingcontact

January 31, 2013, 06:33 PM

I bought a gun just yesterday on gunbroker. The "buy now" price was only slightly above pre-panic and the auction had been up only a few minutes. Easy.

I recently ran an auction like this. Had a very fair buy it now price. Bidding war ensued and drove the prices up several hundred over the buy it now.

So even when sellers are trying to be reasonable with prices...market forces or desperate buyers may still drive up the prices.

Trent

February 1, 2013, 08:46 AM

I decided the PS90 funds will go towards a new bolt action. I always wanted an Accuracy International 338. :)

I have 8 more of them (PS90's), been sitting on them for years. I actually tried to trade them in to Knesek last year on the AW338, but he only offered 1K each. (!!!)

I'll put a couple on consignment at local shops. I should only need to sell half of what I have left, now, to get the Accuracy International... whereas a year ago I would have had to part with ALL of them, plus cash. Looks like an AI338 is in my future.. finally. :)

Trent

February 25, 2013, 02:48 AM

Decided to check on prices again (been a few weeks since last check)

Max bid prices are still substantially over pre SH levels.

But ... people are getting more desperate to stand out and sell at high prices, throwing in 5-10 magazines, Eotechs, etc.

People are asking crazy stupid prices on 100 round AR drums, and even crazier people are bidding them upwards of $700. When some are buy-now at 1/3 that???? Duh. People really are herd animals.

One FNAR is bid up to $1500.. wish that guy would come on THR I have one for sale here in the classifieds for a lot less.. :)

WASR 10/63 hitting the $800 mark

Federal XM193 ammo at 730/1k

Wolf 7.62x39 at 400/1k (WOW... that's a lot higher than last time I posted)

Out of time, will check again on stuff in a couple weeks to continue the trending thread.

jimmyraythomason

February 25, 2013, 11:22 AM

One FNAR is bid up to $1500.. Actually,that's a pretty fair price. They were selling in my area before Sandy Hook for about $1300.

Trent

February 25, 2013, 12:00 PM

Actually,that's a pretty fair price. They were selling in my area before Sandy Hook for about $1300.

There were several on Gunbroker in November with buy nows at $999 before SH, back in November. When they were released they had a wholesale price of 1400ish. Prices had dropped on them steadily over the last couple of years, though, partly due to the Euro changing value, partly due to low demand.

This, combined with the inherent accuracy of the rifle, has made it one of the best semi-auto 308 platforms for the money for several years running. It'll shoot sub 1 MOA groups all day long, accepts 20 round magazines, and has decent ergonomics. It will out-shoot any 308 semi-auto on the market, period, even holding it's own against the venerable and (much more expensive) H&K PSG-1.

Even at $1300 it's still a heck of a good buy, for what you get. $1500 is a bit excessive, though.

I own a lot of rifles, and it remains one of my favorites to take out to the range. The only issue I have with it, is it is a little too light. When shooting off a bipod it can get somewhat squirrly. One of these days I need to track down a proper stock, but aftermarket pickings are somewhat slim for the FNAR. I use a stock similar to this on my Savage bolt guns, much more stable, and better ergonomics:

People are asking crazy stupid prices on 100 round AR drums, and even crazier people are bidding them upwards of $700. When some are buy-now at 1/3 that???? Duh. People really are herd animals.

One FNAR is bid up to $1500.. wish that guy would come on THR I have one for sale here in the classifieds for a lot less.. :)

WASR 10/63 hitting the $800 mark

Federal XM193 ammo at 730/1k

Wolf 7.62x39 at 400/1k (WOW... that's a lot higher than last time I posted)

Out of time, will check again on stuff in a couple weeks to continue the trending thread.
That was the RRA complete lower price at our local shows pre-crazy times.

goldie

February 25, 2013, 12:04 PM

seems the wasr cooled off a bit from the 1300.00 mark, they are at about 800,still twice what they were,give or take a hundred dollars...

jimmyraythomason

February 25, 2013, 12:06 PM

The only issue I have with it, is it is a little too lightWith a 20" heavy barrel,mine was anything BUT light(including bipod and loaded mag). The only drawback I saw other than weight was the cost of magazines @$60 per. My L1A1 isn't as heavy or as accurate at any range but mags are < $20.

Trent

February 25, 2013, 01:35 PM

With a 20" heavy barrel,mine was anything BUT light(including bipod and loaded mag). The only drawback I saw other than weight was the cost of magazines @$60 per. My L1A1 isn't as heavy or as accurate at any range but mags are < $20.

I didn't mean light overall, I meant light handling. I should have been a little more specific. The stock is not heavy enough to give rear-end stability when shooting prone; the rifle is very "front heavy". I tried shooting it offhand, that's a real treat (sarcasm intended). I have to bag the back of mine in order to keep it still when shooting prone or off a bench. But, when I do my part (both on the press and on the range), that rifle can sure SHOOT!

Magazine cost is a definite turn off. I waited two years after buying mine before I could even FIND any. Then I picked up two spares when they were $50 each. Now? Ugh. I only picked them up as spares, in case they became scarce. (My crystal ball was working properly, it seems).

I can't envision a need for extra mags, other than as spares in case of a damaged one. My view is this; as accurate as the rifle is, if I need more than 20 rounds, I brought the wrong ordnance, and needed artillery instead of a rifle. :)

Unlike the SCAR 17, there's no easy conversion that I've found off any other magazine. (SCAR can take converted L1A1 metric mags; I have collected 7 of those this winter, and I'm waiting for spring thaw to get out to the garage and convert them over).

CoRoMo

February 25, 2013, 03:38 PM

Holy smoke! I came across this one earlier today and decided to watch it wind down.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=329765460

Three $75 stripped lowers sold for $935 shipped!!!!

Trent

February 25, 2013, 08:24 PM

WOW. That's nuts.

CZguy

February 25, 2013, 11:52 PM

Weren't those going for about $79.00 each, two months ago.

I stopped by my local gun shop today thinking that they might have some interesting trade ins, but that store was mostly emptied out.

My dealer told me that people are scared, and just holding onto anything gun related.

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