Rumor take it or leave it.

One person on the steam forums mentioned that if we get an expansion that race may or may not be occupied with an additional race. Not sure if that is possible or true but that would be huge. They could be doing it to appease the people dissapointed with the game or they been working on races even before DoW 3s release. Not sure how credible the info is. But this has been talked about before.

It would totally make it possible for them to launch a dark crusade esque expansion with a meta map campaign cause they will have the race pool to do it. If they do hope they make the campaign have their regular compstomp missions but also unique decision drivin missions that are like the Vanilla DoW 3 campaign.

@WorlockOrk said:
They should start working on dow IV . Adding new race will not resolve the problems. If DOW 3 is boring and unpopular now, it will be same with adding new race.

Not even a chance. Relic has also AoE4 to make. Besides if Dow3 dies, and if AoE4 flops, then there is huge chance that there will be no more Dow games, and your dream of Dow4 will be shattered. Forever.

@WorlockOrk said:
Well if you think that dow IV depends on succes of DOW 3 than it's doomed already. I think everyone can make mistakes and this terrible game should be forgaten. Relic should start new game without being ashamed. It will please alot of fans who were waiting more than decade for decent dow game.

Maybe this game is terrible for most, but not everyone. I for example like this game just previous two, and others also like this game too. Besides I believe that Relic actually makes a marathon with Dow 3, not a sprint. Do you think that every game should be a sprint not a marathon?

I at least I'm happy that Relic is still working on Dow3. Even if there might not be a expansion, I can apprecciate Relic's hard work regardless what others says bad about this game.

Great games like Starcraft 2 are nice, but I like and prefer also those who are unaprecciated by most players, like Grey Goo, Ashes of Singularity, Act of Agression and even this game. In the end everyone has a different tastes, doesn't?

@WorlockOrk said:
Nope, you are wrong . it's like saying : "after storm there is no sun".

You never really worked at corporation larger then local grocery store, have you?

Phrases like "success and risk evaluation" or "revenue and retention KPIs" are completely foreign to you, correct?

Only largest gaming corporations in the world can afford weaker title.
Studios like Relic, when product isn't a success go under and if they got publisher, that publisher makes them abandon IP that doesn't bring revenue and do something else.

@WorlockOrk said:
Nope, you are wrong . it's like saying : "after storm there is no sun".

You never really worked at corporation larger then local grocery store, have you?

Phrases like "success and risk evaluation" or "revenue and retention KPIs" are completely foreign to you, correct?

Only largest gaming corporations in the world can afford weaker title.
Studios like Relic, when product isn't a success go under and if they got publisher, that publisher makes them abandon IP that doesn't bring revenue and do something else.

Gaming industry is really brutal nowadays.

Seriosly , you are going to give me a course in business ? I know wery well what risk is. There will be no dow 4 if relic continues to blindly support this ++heresy redacted++ game . The risk is too much big to please few people like you. I'm taliking about risk diversification if you know what is it exactly. It's obvious as the stone in clear wather.

Now, if you realise that you fucked up badly, you retreat and change your strategy. I think honestly that this game was so badly designed and dumbed down that there is no come back at this stage. At this point , investing in it is like trowing money out of the windows. Anyway sega is big , they will probably do the second clean up soon.

The room for improvement is incredibly large, if Relic leaves the game as is, that will destroy their reputation, and potential customers. As far as I'm concerned, you are no business major, and even if you were, Relic has no need for you advice on how to run their studio.

@WorlockOrk said:
Nope, you are wrong . it's like saying : "after storm there is no sun".

You never really worked at corporation larger then local grocery store, have you?

Phrases like "success and risk evaluation" or "revenue and retention KPIs" are completely foreign to you, correct?

Only largest gaming corporations in the world can afford weaker title.
Studios like Relic, when product isn't a success go under and if they got publisher, that publisher makes them abandon IP that doesn't bring revenue and do something else.

Gaming industry is really brutal nowadays.

Seriosly , you are going to give me a course in business ? I know wery well what risk is. There will be no dow 4 if relic continues to blindly support this ++heresy redacted++ game . The risk is too much big to please few people like you. I'm taliking about risk diversification if you know what is it exactly. It's obvious as the stone in clear wather.

Now, if you realise that you fucked up badly, you retreat and change your strategy. I think honestly that this game was so badly designed and dumbed down that there is no come back at this stage. At this point , investing in it is like trowing money out of the windows. Anyway sega is big , they will probably do the second clean up soon.

You got some real personnel issues with the game warlockork. Sofar you have been only focusing on,the bad things of DoW 3 and disregarded all the good things. You are right DoW 3 has some problems. Every DoW game sofar has had issues, flaws but also things they did very well or fixed. Lets not be ++heresy redacted++ here.

Also. Gaming companies cant just duck and run at the first sign of resistance or something going poorly.

Not everyone can be a quitter warlock ork.
Thats literally what you are asking relic to do. To quit DoW 3. Thats worse that retreating and thinking of a new strategy. Thinking of a new strategy would be figuring out what will bring players back and how they are going to do it for DoW 3.

We wouldnt be having alot of of cool or revolutionary stuff in todays world if inventors quit their projects cause somebody told them of a small design flaw or laughed at how rediculous their work is.

@WorlockOrk said:
Nope, you are wrong . it's like saying : "after storm there is no sun".

You never really worked at corporation larger then local grocery store, have you?

Phrases like "success and risk evaluation" or "revenue and retention KPIs" are completely foreign to you, correct?

Only largest gaming corporations in the world can afford weaker title.
Studios like Relic, when product isn't a success go under and if they got publisher, that publisher makes them abandon IP that doesn't bring revenue and do something else.

Gaming industry is really brutal nowadays.

Seriosly , you are going to give me a course in business ? I know wery well what risk is. There will be no dow 4 if relic continues to blindly support this ++heresy redacted++ game . The risk is too much big to please few people like you. I'm taliking about risk diversification if you know what is it exactly. It's obvious as the stone in clear wather.

Now, if you realise that you fucked up badly, you retreat and change your strategy. I think honestly that this game was so badly designed and dumbed down that there is no come back at this stage. At this point , investing in it is like trowing money out of the windows. Anyway sega is big , they will probably do the second clean up soon.

The room for improvement is incredibly large, if Relic leaves the game as is, that will destroy their reputation, and potential customers. As far as I'm concerned, you are no business major, and even if you were, Relic has no need for you advice on how to run their studio.

This is very true. Too bad the anti DoW 3 community are too blind to see this.

@Guziol said:
I remember reading rumours that necrons and chaos will come together in 1 expansion then we will get IG, something and something ( i don't remember what those 2 were ) in second expansion.

It would be a big step forward and definantly worth every cent.

It would hurt game balance but that is fine we have both relic to work on it and great modders that could make a lightly modified vanilla version of balance changes.

@WorlockOrk said:
They should start working on dow IV . Adding new race will not resolve the problems. If DOW 3 is boring and unpopular now, it will be same with adding new race.

Disagree. One of the main draws of 40k and warhammer in general is the appeal of playing "your race." Some people that may like 40k are not as hyped for races like SM, Eldar, and Orks. Some people like myself really like chaos. Other's like tau and such. I mean, I am almost exclusively playing SM since they most closely resemble chaos. I like the game, but I don't really have much interest playing the other races since I am not into them from a roleplaying/thematic perspective.

I know for a fact this is true in the tabletop. There are many tabletop games that might be very fun (Warmachine, 40k, guild ball, etc.). But a player may only be interested in only a few factions, and would rather just not play than be forced to play a faction they do not like. More races in a game like 40k is crucial in my opinion, it isn't really a proper 40k game without it.

I think over many posts, Amoc and WorlockOrk have shown themselves to be the types that are just perpetually upset that DoW III will never be the game that they want (probably something keeping with the DoW 2 / "Company of WH40K" play style), but are unable to just accept that and let their own demands go for the time being. So they appease their frustration by repeating nothing but complaints and negative criticisms no matter what, rooting for the game to fail, and then talking about moving on to DoW IV because that's the only scenario where they can imagine getting some new DoW that lines up to their preferences the way DoW III never will.

As I've said before, DoW 2 and COH 2 both had rough starts -- Relic did not abandon them. They tweaked them up until they were good, and they have yet to make an RTS that didn't eventually succeed. They are obviously busily invested in doing just that again with DoW III. Do what I did after DoW II came out and just accept that you aren't going to get your way for the time being and its hardly the end of the world.

@furELic said:
keep dreaming!!!!
5 months - 3 reskins and stupid maps(hello workshop without tools)
I'm absolutely amazed by the believers of this unfinished low content ++heresy redacted++.
Necron should be in this update or tease or bye DOW 3!! half of playerbase agrees with me

I tried to translate your words into a readable language, let me know if there were any mistranslations. For previous dawn of war games it took at least a year before we see new races, I assume it will be the same this time. The game does have mod tools even if there are certain limitations. A map cannot be stupid, it does not have a brain. A lot of work goes into making the elites even if they are similar to one's we have already, they need abilities, animations, effects, doctrines, balancing and so on.

@Draconix said:
By the way, Steamspy now shows that owner number had fell into 307, 252. I'm feel a bit worried about expansion but who knows? Maybe there will at least a single one.

Interestingly its price permamently dropped to 39.99 euro. But will it help? I don't know.

Still I'm glad that Relic didn't abanddoned this game yet. This game greatly needs a support like previous ones.

305 players currently in-game fu%&ing hell...

Yep, that's sad.

Though as I noticed Ashes of Singularity has a fewer number of players, and yet it is supported by devs, like it was a marathon. So maybe Relic is thinking the same with Dow3. I can not be sure, but I would like to see a new expansion being worked.

To be honest, it would be nice if every game, even those mediocre would be a marathon rather than sprint. Just like Cliff Bleszinski said when talking about LawBreakers, he would prefer a unapprecciated game, that grows to be great throught time.

Worlockork
If i would be relic i wouldnt make dow4.it is saftier from business perspective to make coh3 or new ip rts and get huge profit and positive reviews when they would get hate wave if game with this same mechanics would be in dow ip. I think i didnt see such pathetic "fans" in any other game yet, everything new not from lore is heresy, every mechanic that isn't tabletop accurate (wtf its rts pc game right?)or 1:1 copy of 1997 rts game is heresy...
If i would be director of future dow i would just make dow1 hd and wouldnt change anything lol.

If I was Relic I would make sure not to listen to anything you had to say Tobi. Blaming the failure of the game on fans is petulant, juvenile logic and it's a guaranteed recipe for failure in business.

It's always great to come to threads like these and see the same people push it off the rails into the same territory. I love endlessly seeing the same discussions of the same thing no matter what the original topic was about.