It was very true to Applejack, Rainbow Dash has an ego which won't let her loose or admit defeat, as the Iron pony contest and Mare-Do-Well showed, she has to win for herself. In contrast Applejack is stubborn and proud, she made a promise, she couldn't face breaking it and letting down people who'd put their trust in her, couldn't face her family or Applebloom after loosing and shattering her sisters image of her, she would've stayed in Dodge until she got the money, or until Big Mac or the Mane Six went to find her, hogtied her and dragged her back themselves. For someone so devoted to her family and who cares so much about their view of her, gaining anything less than first after promising to get it would be unthinkable

Now, to be fair to myself, this was also my original take on it. But this fellow just said it better than I managed previously.

While I like Applejack's determination to bring back the money. I can't help but feeling the rest of the episode was contrived and result of the ponys forgetting what they already 'learnt.' After all Applejack's other episode was all about not being so arrogant and ignoring her friend. And her blithe assumption that she'd win all the prize money easily is exactly the same thing.

And while Applejack seemed concerned about the money, it was clearly more about the fear of losing her friend's respect and that is complete baloneey. Its the same kind of plot we saw from Twilight in 'Boast Buster' and while it really makes sense for her. It doesn't fit Applejack especially as she was the one saying to Twilight in that episode 'don't be silly we love you for you'.

Okay, this is absolutely embarrassing on my part... a young adult, and I recently got hooked onto MLP FIM...I don't know why but I can't stop thinking about it since...

Anyway, I always wonder about something all the way from Episode 1 and 2: If Princess Celestia and Nightmare Moon decides to go in an all out duel to the death, no holding back, no Elements of Harmony to banish any of them to the Moon or the Sun or change them back, which one of them could actually win?

I mean, in Ep 1 and 2 It was revealed that Celestia used the Elements of Harmony to banish Nightmare Moon to the Moon. And then Princess Celestia simply disappeared when Nightmare Moon returned, and only came back after the Mane Cast defeated Nightmare Moon to reveal her Batman gambit and ask Princess Luna to accept her friendship once more. They never actually FOUGHT.

So place your bets, if they do fight, in an all out duel between princess-goddesses, which one of them would actually win?

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We have nowhere near enough information on the limits to their magical power to put them in a fight. Though as the back story said Celestia needec the elements to banish Nightmare Moon. Though even that is real left up for debate.

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This is my impressions of the power rankings, unsupported by any real facts:

Luna < Celestia < Nightmare Moon (< Elements of Harmony)

I got the distinct impression that becoming NMM involved some sort of boost (Luna talking about her "dark powers"). Hence I choose to believe that she could defeat Celestia.

I have reasons to believe that Celestia is just holding back. I mean, she controls the Sun, she rules with Light, how can any stereotypical Moon or Darkness based powers one could find in any fantasy setting stand up against that?

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As I said, we have next to no knowledge on their capabilities.

"There is no such thing as coincidence in this world - there is only inevitability""I consider the Laws of Thermodynamics a loose guideline at best!""Set Flamethrowers to... light electrocution"It's not enough to bash in heads, you also have to bash in minds.Tired is the Roman wielding the Aquila.

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Whell in the show they have replaced the word "God" with "Celestia". What if the difference between a god and a being with really high amounts of magical power?

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Though she looks really fucking scary in the last panel, i actual like this interpretation.

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Though she looks really fucking scary in the last panel, i actual like this interpretation.

I know, right? Even better, the author of the comic strip had announced that he/she will expand this into a full blown Comic fanfic, titled "Vast". I can't wait to see how Twilight is going to deal with that!

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Though she looks really fucking scary in the last panel, i actual like this interpretation.

I know, right? Even better, the author of the comic strip had announced that he/she will expand this into a full blown Comic fanfic, titled "Vast". I can't wait to see how Twilight is going to deal with that!

Part of me doesn't like it insomuch as it just seems to go against the underlying spirit of the series...

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montypython wrote:

Part of me doesn't like it insomuch as it just seems to go against the underlying spirit of the series...

This is true, but Fandom's tend to try and expand characters beyond the limitations of the show. At the moment this is a little bit more logical then the show given levels of her power.

"There is no such thing as coincidence in this world - there is only inevitability""I consider the Laws of Thermodynamics a loose guideline at best!""Set Flamethrowers to... light electrocution"It's not enough to bash in heads, you also have to bash in minds.Tired is the Roman wielding the Aquila.

As far as I am concerned, as of now Celestia and Luna are just very powerful Alicorns who happen to be immortal.

My headcannon where that they are indeed semi all powerful gods 'taking it easy' in Equestia. But there is very little proof to bare this out. In dealing with NMM and Discord, the cry from many "GOD" supporters was that, Celestia COULD have dealt with things herself but wanted to 'train' the mane six to become protectors of Equestria.

While this may have been true for NMM, it really did seem that Celestia was genuinally stumped by Discord and was powerless to stop him.

Really, the two fall into the common mistake of many old myths where the moon and sun are of roughly equal power and considered equals.

Part of me doesn't like it insomuch as it just seems to go against the underlying spirit of the series...

But that's the fun in it all, isn't it? A deconstruction of everything we think is good and taken for granted from a piece of fiction is just so much more enjoyable than the original thing.

I really want to see what happens when Celestia finally figure out the difference in power between the Sun and the Moon, and how little and insignificant everything in Equestria actually is to her might.

Where's the power in 'friendship' now when your friends less than ants compared to you...

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Crossroads Inc. wrote:

Really, the two fall into the common mistake of many old myths where the moon and sun are of roughly equal power and considered equals.

In your mind are they really personifications of the Moon and Sun, or are they more like Zeus and Hades who just kinda divided the world. But doesn't really represent their ability's? My Headcanon follows the latter.

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Part of me doesn't like it insomuch as it just seems to go against the underlying spirit of the series...

But that's the fun in it all, isn't it? A deconstruction of everything we think is good and taken for granted from a piece of fiction is just so much more enjoyable than the original thing.

I really want to see what happens when Celestia finally figure out the difference in power between the Sun and the Moon, and how little and insignificant everything in Equestria actually is to her might.

Where's the power in 'friendship' now when your friends less than ants compared to you...

Thematically that smells more of something that Type-Moon would think up of, and if I wanted that I'd just read more Nasuverse materials instead.

I suddenly got an idea where Pinkie Pie tries building a Sonic Rainboom firecracker (basically a bottle rocket with a payload of Rainbow Juice set to go off once it hits the sound barrier) so that she could make sonic rainbooms at her parties. Then, checking the wikipedia article on supersonic speed it looks like alot of things from rifle bullets to bullwhips to high-speed trains can break the sound barrier.

Soo, if a Sonic Rainboom is basically the result of a sonic boom and a rainbow happening at the same time then how could a party pony like Pinkie Pie perform such a perilous project (preferably without pulverizing ponyville)?

There are 3 main questions:

1. How difficult would it be to send a given payload of rainbow juice to an arbitrary point where it can break the sound barrier? Preferably getting the shockwave to appear high enough in the air where ponies can watch (I'm sure its easy to fire things at supersonic speed out of a rifle muzzle or possibly a party cannon but if the shockwave manifests right at the end of the muzzle then it limits the enjoyment innocent bystanders might get). Larger amounts of rainbow juice produce larger rainbooms, so I figure getting a Rainbow Dash style Rainboom would require a payload somewhere around Dashs body weight.

2. How big a threat to Equestria would Pinkie Pie be if she could make and fire off Rainboom Rockets? Who's attention would she get (local police, Celestia, spies from griffin or zebra lands)?

3. What kind of crazy hijinks and chaos can happen from this without anypony actually dying?

Fry: No! They did it! They blew it up! And then the apes blew up their society too. How could this happen? And then the birds took over and ruined their society. And then the cows. And then... I don't know, is that a slug, maybe? Noooo!

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Bright wrote:

So. Looks like John De Lancie is going to be at BronyCon in the summer?

You got a source? That would be fucking amazing!

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You have just made my day!

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