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Hello list,
Sorry for all the questions. I'm a blind linux user and the nautilus
file browser is the only accessible file manager. I have Nautilus
installed but how do I make it the default file manager system wide?
Also I need it to be the file manager when I plug in a removable drive.
When I plug in the drive it asks me if I want to open it with the file
manager but right now Pcmanfm is the default file manager. I need this
to be nautilus. Thanks again for all of your time and help.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:17:54 -0400
Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> Sorry for all the questions. I'm a blind linux user and the nautilus
> file browser is the only accessible file manager. I have Nautilus
> installed but how do I make it the default file manager system wide?
> Also I need it to be the file manager when I plug in a removable drive.
> When I plug in the drive it asks me if I want to open it with the file
> manager but right now Pcmanfm is the default file manager. I need this
> to be nautilus. Thanks again for all of your time and help.
Hi,
It might be helpful to know what distribution, version number distribution and desktop
environment are in use in your system.
Else, if you are a blind linux user, perhaps would you want to ask advice and information
from this one advanced blind linux user ? =>
http://accelibreinfo.eu/?fr/contact
I have pointed to the contact form on purpose.
Regards,
Mélodie

Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us,
Fernando
http://F123.org/fr
On 10/26/2012 10:27 PM, meets@... wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:17:54 -0400
> Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions. I'm a blind linux user and the nautilus
>> file browser is the only accessible file manager. I have Nautilus
>> installed but how do I make it the default file manager system wide?
>> Also I need it to be the file manager when I plug in a removable drive.
>> When I plug in the drive it asks me if I want to open it with the file
>> manager but right now Pcmanfm is the default file manager. I need this
>> to be nautilus. Thanks again for all of your time and help.
>
> Hi,
>
> It might be helpful to know what distribution, version number distribution and desktop
> environment are in use in your system.
>
> Else, if you are a blind linux user, perhaps would you want to ask advice and information
> from this one advanced blind linux user ? =>
> http://accelibreinfo.eu/?fr/contact
>
> I have pointed to the contact form on purpose.
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie
>
>
>
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Hello!
Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 0:04:
>Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
>like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
>tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
>blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
>simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
>do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
>have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
>info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
too.
With best regards.
Andriy.

On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 0:04:
>> Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>> Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
>> like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
>> tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>> Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
>> blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
>> simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
>> do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>> Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
>> have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
>> info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
> too.
Andriy,
That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
>
> With best regards.
> Andriy.
>
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Hello!
Jonathan Nadeau has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 15:05:
>On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>> too.
>That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
>only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
>manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
>screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
>opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
>manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
>and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
>have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
>on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
>highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
>i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
>me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
if something else should be implemented as well.
With best regards.
Andriy.

On 10/27/2012 05:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Jonathan Nadeau has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 15:05:
>> On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>>> too.
>> That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
>> only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
>> manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
>> screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
>> opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
>> manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
>> and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
>> have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
>> on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
>> highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
>> i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
>> me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
> In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
> currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
> file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
> documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
> description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
> should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
> to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
> to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
> if something else should be implemented as well.
I think if you do these two things that should take care of it. Also if
you run pcmanfm through exsersizer this will help a lot. When it is
ready please email me off the list or just let us know on the list that
it is ready to test.
>
> With best regards.
> Andriy.
>
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I agree. I also would like to use PCManFM, it is much faster than Nautilus.
Thanks very much for your offer of help Andriy,
Fernando
On 10/27/2012 05:05 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:34 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 0:04:
>>> Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>>> Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
>>> like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
>>> tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>>> Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
>>> blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
>>> simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
>>> do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>>> Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
>>> have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
>>> info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
>> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
>> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
>> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
>> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
>> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
>> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
>> too.
>
> Andriy,
>
> That's Awesome! We would love for pcmanfm to be accessible. That is the
> only reason why i was trying to get nautilus to be the default file
> manager. It seems that not all of pcmanfm is accessible to the Orca
> screen reader. When I click on the file manager under accessories it
> opens and Orca notices this but I can't read anything once the file
> manager is open. Also if i plug in a removable drive pcmanfm opens it
> and Orca sees that it is open but Irca can't read to me the files that i
> have on my removable drive. My wife tells me that she can see the files
> on my removable drive and she can see the different files being
> highlighted when I arrow over them but Orca doesn't read the files that
> i'm moving over. If you need me to try anything out for you please let
> me know. Thank you so much for your help and concern.
>
>
>>
>> With best regards.
>> Andriy.
>>
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Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
more directed manner?
https://live.gnome.org/Accerciserhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
On 12-10-27 05:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>
> In the current git source implemented tooltip for the file which is
> currently pointed by mouse. May be it will allow Orca to recognize the
> file. Not sure if it will work as you need though. From reading all the
> documentation on accessability I see that each subwindow has to have a
> description which is absent right now. Also selection state of each item
> should be reported to accessible interface as well. All of that I'll try
> to implement in version 1.1.0, first edition of which will be available
> to test sometime later - probably at end of year 2012. Tell me, please,
> if something else should be implemented as well.
>

Hi Andrej
As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
> too.
>
I'm an ex nautilus user and now long time pcmanfm user, just wanted to say
the only feature
I miss from nautilus is the option to use two views so it's simple to copy
/ move files without
changing tab.
Thank you for your great job, cheers,
Giuseppe.

Agreed. The one thing about Dolphin (KDE 4's default file manager) which
I've always envied (Even when I was using KDE 4, I used Konqueror) is
the simple "toggle split view on/off" toolbar button.
(I say Konqueror lacks it because it's got a hugely powerful split
system but it's awkward if you just want to split for a moment, do some
copying, and then unsplit.)
PCManFM also falls short in that you can't use the Directory Tree
sidebar view as a drag-and-drop target for efficiently sorting a folder
full of files into a variety of folders in varying places and at varying
depths into the filesystem so, for me, it may as well not exist.
On 12-10-28 03:23 AM, Giuseppe Penone wrote:
> Hi Andrej
>
> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would
> be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as
> Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind
> users
> too.
>
>
> I'm an ex nautilus user and now long time pcmanfm user, just wanted to
> say the only feature
> I miss from nautilus is the option to use two views so it's simple to
> copy / move files without
> changing tab.
>
> Thank you for your great job, cheers,
> Giuseppe.
>
>
>
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Hello!
To lxde-list@... has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 1:22:
>Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
>>Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
>>more directed manner?
>>https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
>>http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
> Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
>pointing me out on those articles.
I've tried it. It doesn't show me anything - neither on ubuntu nor on
debian - but two errors on console. No applications are shown in the left
pane. Seems it wants a gnome session but I don't use gnome, only openbox.
Don't know what I can do.
Andriy.

Hello Andriy,
I am not an actual developer, but I know that the person behind
Accesoriser subscribes and follwos the Gnome list. Could you ask him
about this?
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
It would be so great to have improved accessibility on LXDE and PCManFM.
Thanks,
Fernando
On 11/03/2012 03:06 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> To lxde-list@... has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 1:22:
>> Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
>>> Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
>>> more directed manner?
>
>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
>>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
>
>> Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
>> pointing me out on those articles.
>
> I've tried it. It doesn't show me anything - neither on ubuntu nor on
> debian - but two errors on console. No applications are shown in the left
> pane. Seems it wants a gnome session but I don't use gnome, only openbox.
> Don't know what I can do.
>
> Andriy.
>
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I can't check whether there's anything else I'm missing right now, but
here's what you have to do to at least get Accerciser to appear in its
own list of applications:
1. Enable "AT-SPI D-Bus Bus" in Preferences > Desktop Session Settings
2. apt-get install libatk-adaptor
The latter is apparently known as at-spi2-atk on Fedora and seems to be
the bridge for hooking GTK+-based applications into the AT-SPI bus.
I'm not certain, but I think the equivalent for Qt4 applications is
qt-at-spi.
On 12-11-03 01:06 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> To lxde-list@... has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 1:22:
>> Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
>>> Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
>>> more directed manner?
>
>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
>>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
>
>> Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
>> pointing me out on those articles.
>
> I've tried it. It doesn't show me anything - neither on ubuntu nor on
> debian - but two errors on console. No applications are shown in the left
> pane. Seems it wants a gnome session but I don't use gnome, only openbox.
> Don't know what I can do.
>
> Andriy.
>
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I haven't had a chance to play around with it recently but I think I
remember AT-SPI (the accessibility system it uses) being architected
sort of like D-Bus.
Did you make sure that your session is launching the AT-SPI daemon?
On 12-11-03 01:06 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> To lxde-list@... has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 1:22:
>> Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
>>> Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
>>> more directed manner?
>
>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
>>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
>
>> Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
>> pointing me out on those articles.
>
> I've tried it. It doesn't show me anything - neither on ubuntu nor on
> debian - but two errors on console. No applications are shown in the left
> pane. Seems it wants a gnome session but I don't use gnome, only openbox.
> Don't know what I can do.
>
> Andriy.
>
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Hi,
One easy way not involving configuring gconf and dconf could be to use a full Gnome
desktop, add openbox to it along with openbox-themes and obconf, and start the sessions
with the "gnome-openbox" session type (from within the login screen).
This is no more a Lxde topic, but it could allow having the full features with some
lightness without pain. I have tested this with an Ubuntu installed on an old Celeron box
with low specs, it was working reasonably well.
Mélodie
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:59:58 -0400
Stephan Sokolow <gmane.ssokolow@...> wrote:
> I haven't had a chance to play around with it recently but I think I
> remember AT-SPI (the accessibility system it uses) being architected
> sort of like D-Bus.
>
> Did you make sure that your session is launching the AT-SPI daemon?
>
> On 12-11-03 01:06 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > To lxde-list@... has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 1:22:
> >> Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 18:00:
> >>> Have you tried using Accerciser to poke at what PCManFM exposes in a
> >>> more directed manner?
> >
> >>> https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
> >>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/make-your-application-accessible-accerciser
> >
> >> Never. The accessability is a very new field for me. Thank you for
> >> pointing me out on those articles.
> >
> > I've tried it. It doesn't show me anything - neither on ubuntu nor on
> > debian - but two errors on console. No applications are shown in the left
> > pane. Seems it wants a gnome session but I don't use gnome, only openbox.
> > Don't know what I can do.
> >
> > Andriy.
> >
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Hello!
Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 19:50:
>I agree. I also would like to use PCManFM, it is much faster than Nautilus.
>Thanks very much for your offer of help Andriy,
Just to be sure I have not forgotten you. Klaus Knopper told me all
my efforts are good so far and pcmanfm running with libfm from current
GIT sources is fully accessible. But I would not ask you to test it yet
as it still require rebuilding and is in very early stage, even not beta
yet, but in feature development process, despite of being in good shape.
You can test it of course but main reason I write this right now is to
inform you that you will get advanced accessible file manager somewhat
later. I hope it will have more features than both Thunar and Nautilus
but will be more lightweight and fast.
Cheers!
Andriy.

On 11/13/2012 08:28 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 19:50:
>> I agree. I also would like to use PCManFM, it is much faster than Nautilus.
>> Thanks very much for your offer of help Andriy,
> Just to be sure I have not forgotten you. Klaus Knopper told me all
> my efforts are good so far and pcmanfm running with libfm from current
> GIT sources is fully accessible. But I would not ask you to test it yet
> as it still require rebuilding and is in very early stage, even not beta
> yet, but in feature development process, despite of being in good shape.
> You can test it of course but main reason I write this right now is to
> inform you that you will get advanced accessible file manager somewhat
> later. I hope it will have more features than both Thunar and Nautilus
> but will be more lightweight and fast.
Thats awesome! Thanks for all of your work on making pcmanfm more
accessible. This is much appreciated! I can't wait for lxde to be the go
to desktop for accessibility!
>
> Cheers!
> Andriy.
>
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Fantastic!!! Thanks Andriy! I will test as soon as you give us the green
light.
Fernando
On 11/13/2012 11:28 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 19:50:
>> I agree. I also would like to use PCManFM, it is much faster than Nautilus.
>
>> Thanks very much for your offer of help Andriy,
>
> Just to be sure I have not forgotten you. Klaus Knopper told me all
> my efforts are good so far and pcmanfm running with libfm from current
> GIT sources is fully accessible. But I would not ask you to test it yet
> as it still require rebuilding and is in very early stage, even not beta
> yet, but in feature development process, despite of being in good shape.
> You can test it of course but main reason I write this right now is to
> inform you that you will get advanced accessible file manager somewhat
> later. I hope it will have more features than both Thunar and Nautilus
> but will be more lightweight and fast.
>
> Cheers!
> Andriy.
>
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Hello!
Stephan Sokolow has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 3:59:
>PCManFM also falls short in that you can't use the Directory Tree
>sidebar view as a drag-and-drop target for efficiently sorting a folder
>full of files into a variety of folders in varying places and at varying
>depths into the filesystem so, for me, it may as well not exist.
This feature (which was in FR tracker since 2008) is implemented few
days ago, it is in the libfm GIT sources. If you desperate to use it you
can build it and use. :)
Cheers!
Andriy.

I'm too busy with coursework to sort files right now, but that's great
news nonetheless. :)
I'm on your PPA so I'll probably get it before I have time to use it anyway.
On 12-11-13 08:39 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Stephan Sokolow has written on Sunday, 28 October, at 3:59:
>> PCManFM also falls short in that you can't use the Directory Tree
>> sidebar view as a drag-and-drop target for efficiently sorting a folder
>> full of files into a variety of folders in varying places and at varying
>> depths into the filesystem so, for me, it may as well not exist.
>
> This feature (which was in FR tracker since 2008) is implemented few
> days ago, it is in the libfm GIT sources. If you desperate to use it you
> can build it and use. :)
>
> Cheers!
> Andriy.
>
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Andrej N. Gritsenko <andrej <at> rep.kiev.ua> writes:
>
> Hello!
>
> Fernando H. F. Botelho has written on Saturday, 27 October, at 0:04:
> >Greetings Mélodie, Jonathan, and all,
>
> >Jonathan is actually a pioneer among the blind and other blind persons
> >like myself are following right in his footsteps. We are starting to get
> >tired of bloated interfaces interfeering with our productivity.
>
> >Being from Brazil, I am myself also bothered with how many among the
> >blind in developing countries will be forced to use inferior software or
> >simply have no access to technology due to their slower computers if we
> >do not explore more efficient options such as LXDE.
>
> >Your suggestion that he contact Jean-Philippe Mengual is a good one, I
> >have discussed a couple of F123 things with him. But in the case of LXDE
> >info, I suspect that Jonathan is already ahead of most of us.
>
> As the most active developer of PCManFM at the moment I would be very
> glad to know which functions of Nautilus make it preferrable for blind
> users over PCManFM. Since Nautilus is much more resourse hungry than
> PCManFM and the goal of PCManFM is to make lightweight file manager that
> is capable to do all useful features of such file managers as Nautilus or
> Dolphin, I would like to make it as useful as Nautilus is for blind users
> too.
>
> With best regards.
> Andriy.
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Andrej,
I very much admire your work on PCManFM. (And I do not know how to write such
software myself.)
However, I wish it did two things, that is, have a function for searching for
files and also the icon that means that a drive is mounted (such as a flash
drive) needs to look more like the arrowhead icon to be consistent most other
software (and therefore, understandable to the user). The icon that you use to
indicate that a drive is mounted may be better to some people, but it is simply
not consistent with most other software that I have seen.
Thanks.
Marty Jamieson