Saturday, 6 August 2011

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

2. John Quincy Adams on Islam

"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force."

3. John Wesley on Islam

"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind."

4. Hilaire Belloc on Islam

"Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans - still nominally Christian - and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam."

5. Bishop Fulton J Sheen on Islam

"Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power."

6. Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria on Islam

"I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world".

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7. Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica on Islam

"For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God...they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil and not only do they commit these crimes, but even - what an aberration - they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life."

8. William Eaton on Islam

"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives. The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind."

9. John Quincy Adams on Islam

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind."

"THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters). Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men."

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10. Lord Tebbit on Islam

"The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years."

11. Vernon Richards on Islam

"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has."

12. Andre Servier on Islam

"Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society."

13. Theodore Roosevelt on Islam

"The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century."

"During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any 'social values' whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such 'social values' today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader."

14. David Selbourne on Islam

"Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam's 'destructive spirit' spoke 'only by the sword'; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a 'wretched book' in which he had 'not been able to discover one single idea of value'; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was 'deadly','to be feared’ and a 'form of decadence'".

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Abdullah wrote:

#447 <quoted text> NO it is not like that. Muslims can’t attack any one who did not attack them. you talk about resistence to conversion. Forcefull conversion is not acceptable in islam. it is included in SHARIA LAW.

Mr Abdullah, why are you so thick in your head? I already said that this is the Islam that many non-Muslims like me believe; but most of your own people do not know or refuse to believe. If they believe, they are only pretending to do so!

Even you yourself are quite ignorant of your Quran's good teachings. In Fusilat 41:34, Muslims are not to take bloody revenge if attacked, but to return/repel evil with something which is better. Then non-Muslims who are their enemies will become their best friends.

And here you are encouraging bloody revenge attacks by your Muslim people if they are attacked, when Muslim holy fighters are the ones who are often doing the attacking and even the mass-slaughtering almost daily of their own Muslim people. And you are keeping very quiet.

Even if Muslims can take revenge, often times they were the ones who started the fightings and the killings of the non-Muslims, in imitation of your Prophet Mohammed who often started the fights with his countless caravan raids of the Arab merchants during his days. How would you like it if robbers were to attack you and kill you after taking your wealth and property?

So why are you not preaching this to your own people who need so much of the good and peaceful teachings of the Quran? What unfortunately is driving them crazy is the bad teachings of the Quran---to hate, kill and take bloody revenge, which you have correctly stated in your post #447 is allowed [by your Quran].

So Muslims must make up their minds what they want to believe---the good or the bad in their Quran. And then, say, if the Pakistani Muslims choose good, they can hope to turn around your bloody Islamic paradise of Pakistan from being the most dangerous place for Muslims to live to being truly the best.

Of course you will have an uphill task, as Muslims are so hooked up on the idea that if they do evil for Allah in their holy wars, they will be rewarded with plentiful of houris (i.e. voluptuous paradise virgins) for endless sex orgies there. So which Muslim men can resist such tempting offers?

Here is what WLsciencejunkie posted: TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40) declares:
A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution.

A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings. The Prophet was asked:'Do we have sex in Paradise?' He answered:'Yes, by him who holds my soul in his hand, and it will be done dahman, dahman (that is intercourse done with such shove and disturbance [79]). And when it is finished she will return pure and virgin again."

Imam Suyuti is reported to have said, "each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin.Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas ...”

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muslims are ignorant to their surroundings and even their own religion. they are kept uneducated so they are easily manipulated by their cultish leaders who seek to exploit all they can from their own people. the sad thing is their own people are too blind to see it. how many muslims live in poverty while their own leaders live like proverbial gods?we need to exterminate the ignorance of islam. the sad thing is that means we need to exterminate many generations of muslims since theu brainwash their children and indoctrinate them into the cult at birth. the only was to stop islam is to educate the new children

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15. Steven Runciman on Islam

"Unlike Christianity, which preached a peace that it never achieved, Islam unashamedly came with a sword."

16. Jon Stewart on Islam

"The nation of Dubai banned the movie Charlie's Angles because it's 'offensive to the religion of Islam.' Apparently, the religion of Islam is offended by anything without a plot."

17. Alexis de Tocqueville on Islam

"I studied the Koran a great deal...I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself."

18. William S. Burroughs on Islam

"The exact objectives of Islam Inc. are obscure. Needless to say everyone involved has a different angle, and they all intend to cross each other up somewhere along the line."

19. Ernest Renan on Islam

"Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the Orient that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service one can render him."

20. Benedict XVI on Islam

"Islam has a total organization of life that is completely different from ours; it embraces simply everything," he said. "There is a very marked subordination of woman to man; there is a very tightly knit criminal law, indeed, a law regulating all areas of life, that is opposed to our modern ideas about society. One has to have a clear understanding that it is not simply a denomination that can be included in the free realm of a pluralistic society."

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HummerH3 wrote:7. Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica on Islam
"For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God...they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil and not only do they commit these crimes, but even - what an aberration - they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life."
8. William Eaton on Islam
"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives. The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind."
9. John Quincy Adams on Islam
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind."
"THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters). Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men."

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21. Richard Dawkins on Islam"Islam deserves criticism on account of the logical consequences of its dogma, namely, that the murder of fellow human beings is to be rewarded with sensual pleasure in a hedonistic 'Paradise'- a concept born in the fantasies of an Arab rebel some fourteen centuries ago. The religion of Mohammed is a dangerous system when the teachings and example of the 'prophet' are believed and followed."

22. Jacques Ellul on Islam

"...But care is taken not to say how Islam expanded, how countries 'passed into [Muslim] hands.'...Regarding this expansion, little is said about jihad. And yet it all happened through war!...the jihad is an institution...that is to say it is a part of the normal functioning of the Muslim world...The conquered populations change status (tney become dhimmis), and the shari'a tends to be put into effect integrally, overthrowing the former law of the country. The conquered territories do not simply change 'owners.'"

23. Sam Harris on Islam

"Islam, more than any other religion human beings have devised, has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death."

"As a matter of doctrine, the Muslim conception of tolerance is one in which non-Muslims have been politically and economically subdued, converted, or put to sword."

"The penalty for apostasy is death. We would do well to linger over this fact for a moment, because it is the black pearl of intolerance that no liberal exegesis will ever fully digest."

"There are other ideologies with which to expunge the last vapors of reasonableness from a society's discourse, but Islam is undoubtedly one of the best we've got.""The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence."

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Proud American wrote:muslims are ignorant to their surroundings and even their own religion. they are kept uneducated so they are easily manipulated by their cultish leaders who seek to exploit all they can from their own people. the sad thing is their own people are too blind to see it.
how many muslims live in poverty while their own leaders live like proverbial gods?
we need to exterminate the ignorance of islam. the sad thing is that means we need to exterminate many generations of muslims since theu brainwash their children and indoctrinate them into the cult at birth. the only was to stop islam is to educate the new children

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it seems like the forum of islam becomes the forum of HummerH3

try to do sth good in your life and stop spreading misconception about islam because no one can believe you

for people who want to discover islam, forum is not the best way of course

read this from translation of the meaning of the holy Quran

Surah 2. Al-Baqara
1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2. This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
3. Who believe in the unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
4. And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are
certain of the Hereafter.
5. These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.

(and from the sam surah)
284. Unto Allah (belongeth) whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth; and whether ye make known
what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will bring you to account for it. He will forgive whom He will and He will punish
whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things.
285. The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) the believers. Each
one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers We make no distinction between any of
His messengers and they say: We hear, and we obey.(Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.
286. Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which
it hath deserved. Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget, or miss the mark! Our Lord! Lay not on us such a burden as
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Thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear! Pardon us,
absolve us and have mercy on us, Thou, our Protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk.

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Sheila Musaji – founder of The American Muslim magazine.[153]

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Tawana Brawley (changed her name to Maryam Muhammad) – African American woman noted for claiming to have been raped by several white men, a claim determined to be a fabrication by a grand jury. Later in life she converted to Islam.[161][162][163]

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Idris Muhammad – American jazz musician.[289]

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Isabelle Eberhardt – explorer and writer.[290]

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Jack Roche – convicted of involvement in an al-Qaeda plot to blow up the Israeli embassy in Canberra.[291]

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Jason Walters – of the Netherlands, member of the Hofstad Network, convicted on charges of terrorism.[294]

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