Fansubbing by the Numbers: A Spring 2016 Shitpost

Top conclusions brought to you by Sunday boredom and an unlicensed copy of Excel.

The Numbers

Spoiler:

12-sai

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

36775

27129

24231

22256

19374

18725

17266

18019

Nyaa – Doremi – Downloads

4607

5173

4710

4157

3953

3272

2938

2647

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

12688

7567

6706

7460

6109

5845

5434

5032

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

7719

7487

6740

4890

4642

4546

4147

4967

Ace Attorney

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

173296

141391

123688

113490

105294

105229

90698

82660

75861

56469

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

50471

41179

36023

33053

30666

30647

26415

24074

22094

16446

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

34348

17805

13509

15090

13472

12638

11250

11018

10122

6963

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

12299

10101

11830

8183

7874

7195

6894

6959

5815

3586

Anne Happy

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

43784

33388

29618

29241

30168

27268

24237

22617

18416

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

35725

27242

24166

23859

24615

22249

19776

18454

15026

Bakuon

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

51471

38497

33829

35154

34804

31277

26187

24430

20727

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

50687

37911

33314

34618

34274

30801

25788

24058

20411

Big Order

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

163901

137470

125298

117450

112221

103944

91164

71442

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

65446

54892

50032

46898

44810

41505

36402

28527

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

18993

22013

17521

14896

13627

11278

12506

4326

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

25003

15552

19489

16329

15600

16329

10026

14694

Boku no Hero Academia

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

921608

807635

777253

554139

726349

683500

698297

705687

619685

311315

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

112358

98463

94759

67558

88553

83329

85133

86034

75549

37954

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

35715

27257

25207

24809

25256

21528

19293

16566

16129

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

15090

15009

12474

12716

11166

11950

13167

12610

11906

7519

Bungou Stray Dogs

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

391450

318812

286968

275644

261106

231992

209946

201577

171514

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

79192

64497

58055

55764

52823

46933

42473

40780

34698

Nyaa – Impatience – Downloads

2468

2962

2615

2179

2539

1861

1844

1874

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

22806

22406

17589

17188

19751

14687

11895

11361

10362

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

19930

14015

15093

11189

6404

10472

13115

12163

6681

Endride

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

165410

114459

93071

82720

84445

81667

64400

62662

52922

39501

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

58235

40297

32767

29123

29730

28752

22673

22061

18632

13907

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

16278

14374

6420

8831

10826

7687

6537

6885

8112

3662

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

18587

11047

17852

9718

5808

8071

7545

7485

3719

5299

Flying Witch

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

113097

92475

86004

84594

77979

67656

59207

53620

39020

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

74521

60933

56669

55740

51381

44579

39012

35331

25711

Nyaa – Asenshi – Downloads

9139

7836

7151

7162

7080

5686

5288

4508

Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads

6204

5977

5602

4798

4700

3575

3746

2883

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

38833

21352

23527

25968

19528

17019

16827

24976

7176

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

22108

31917

24953

22308

24213

24288

24392

9955

19322

Haifuri

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

54934

42042

38887

38897

39329

34172

31602

30361

23290

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

39403

30156

27893

27900

28210

24511

22667

21777

16705

Nyaa – Vivid-GJM – Downloads

7627

6281

6052

5666

5952

4944

4825

4553

2208

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

30719

25053

15543

13670

19508

14857

13861

12590

10393

Hundred

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

471027

436840

399504

376857

370622

347065

309060

307835

258887

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

71922

66702

61001

57543

56591

52994

47191

47004

39530

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

27204

22476

18459

17296

16354

19916

18797

15039

9177

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

25028

23369

23514

25192

19886

15153

10688

11968

15576

Joker Game

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

175051

141434

129830

127918

119330

110795

97402

91104

78178

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

68486

55334

50794

50046

46686

43347

38107

35643

30586

Nyaa – Commie – Downloads

3635

3695

3457

2281

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

29027

19436

22044

22235

19850

17916

13107

14150

12602

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

11406

19203

10379

9333

8554

8694

13934

11461

10090

Kiznaiver

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

394769

327982

299679

284686

280517

244077

217933

188693

144164

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

90524

75209

68719

65281

64325

55969

49974

43269

33058

Nyaa – Asenshi – Downloads

8279

6893

6714

6810

6945

5516

6232

5375

3063

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

30161

18811

17945

17228

14782

11748

12189

11345

5995

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

13859

18758

16079

15955

14226

15493

14384

13184

12017

Koutetsujou no Kabaneri

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

822519

655764

669569

713974

602185

640842

595950

478295

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

59660

87043

123492

119938

106083

101019

98564

77575

Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads

19414

13857

12666

9858

9061

8674

7600

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

42634

38930

36826

34947

46323

26664

32402

20892

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

48647

33845

37481

44288

20506

44455

33735

32188

Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

81979

61167

56409

56904

57001

54465

45488

45705

30435

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

51688

38566

35566

35878

35939

34340

28680

28817

19189

Nyaa – Chyuu – Downloads

5590

5123

2919

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

35492

30563

26361

18420

23590

22308

25831

17645

13860

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

25441

22073

24541

31473

23455

21354

13745

22382

22120

Kuromukuro

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

91792

83299

75842

69117

72440

57257

59690

50481

42717

Nyaa – gg – Downloads

39502

35847

32638

29744

31174

24640

25687

21724

18383

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

32065

21769

20250

23810

14022

16065

19091

14576

9745

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

20195

24703

22759

13180

22209

20031

15373

19035

19322

Macross Delta

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

119651

86984

80588

76844

72751

68932

66961

64917

52731

Nyaa – gg – Downloads

58647

42635

39500

37665

35659

33787

32821

31819

25846

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

48694

41696

31940

23233

20914

29853

26424

30594

16493

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

18759

17602

25543

35336

25746

17442

18551

16086

27033

Mayoiga

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

288166

235270

208574

192017

188534

181084

165516

147882

134888

100477

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

75778

61868

54848

50494

49578

47619

43525

38888

35471

26422

Nyaa – Chihiro – Downloads

3625

3449

3713

3144

2558

2390

2372

1656

860

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

34843

22818

14226

21775

20470

16950

14787

13522

12770

8303

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

23562

26707

24720

22635

21607

21037

20780

21169

20370

18640

Netoge

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

245023

214082

197585

179785

175701

163627

153193

145334

115100

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

80994

70766

65313

59429

58079

54088

50639

48041

38047

Nyaa – Ecchihiro – Downloads

2808

2824

2804

2326

2229

2124

1860

1401

Nyaa – Tsundere – Downloads

2937

3064

3028

2569

2507

1958

1995

1496

1122

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

44748

33327

30105

28316

26631

33339

17134

22749

14146

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

22782

34528

32830

32450

32004

16949

37365

28130

27829

Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

463169

512171

460450

447461

461682

427840

450430

404841

444774

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

90644

100234

90112

87570

90353

83730

88151

79229

87044

Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads

9990

8592

7929

7508

7683

6504

8000

4560

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

52076

48215

44689

29239

41779

43979

33650

32320

26652

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

26543

33433

25717

51588

35185

36625

40392

40409

32777

Sakamoto Desu Ga

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

315822

239534

214484

199503

185446

159486

136123

97367

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

89466

67855

60759

56515

52533

45179

38561

27582

Nyaa – Commie – Downloads

2862

1564

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

40948

28892

24812

20850

21628

23735

20858

9565

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

30704

26771

24978

24595

21030

14880

14457

20690

Sansha Sanyou

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

51659

35740

33458

31578

30104

28417

25152

23467

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

36738

25417

23794

22457

21409

20209

17887

16689

Nyaa – orz – Downloads

2701

3350

3048

2504

2158

2097

2031

934

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

22801

17789

18273

13638

14626

15361

11264

11575

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

17780

14591

5003

14667

13321

9603

14630

11486

4950

Shounen Maid

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

84267

63588

59471

57326

49284

39450

36730

28774

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

37155

28037

26222

25276

21730

17394

16195

12687

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

15871

8633

9960

9338

8568

9201

8454

6384

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

15083

6483

11296

9835

9149

7386

6686

8743

Seisen Cerberus

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

310733

250199

218111

207744

190562

179326

140663

142491

123369

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

63749

51330

44747

42620

39095

36790

28858

29233

25310

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

19222

14490

11092

9354

9131

8872

10473

8093

5732

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

19330

14908

12608

13368

9848

8847

4986

7183

7627

Sousei no Onmyouji

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

430405

366033

345853

322991

306096

285962

246239

247917

212762

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

74157

63066

59589

55650

52739

49270

42426

42715

36658

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

30368

22713

20461

15268

20110

18776

10348

10725

10794

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

13841

13796

11325

15666

7795

6864

13625

12290

8996

Super Lovers

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

151349

103388

99052

91775

99538

84046

72075

69117

60456

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

27120

18526

17749

16445

17836

15060

12915

12385

10833

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

9414

8002

6892

5708

4900

4852

4516

1970

2893

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

9236

4006

3997

5294

4320

3707

4051

5035

3729

Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

KissAnime – Views

130696

95502

86479

84311

83766

73774

67537

62017

47952

Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads

47021

34359

31113

30333

30137

26542

24298

22312

17252

Nyaa – GJM – Downloads

7964

7343

6467

6260

5423

4492

3793

3432

Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads

21659

16110

17578

15771

13691

11076

13769

8176

8754

Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads

20472

14921

10211

13425

11998

13489

9998

13653

6912

Notes:

KissAnime series views are public knowledge, but individual episode views are not. To estimate KA’s individual episode views, I tied them proportionally to HorribleSubs (or the RAWs when HorribleSubs was unavailable/fucked-up).

Numbers were gathered and transcribed over a five-hour period of time this afternoon. An ideal data set would require controlling for multiple factors that I totally don’t care about and you probably don’t either.

I only tracked full-length series that started airing this season. Why? Because.

Conclusion #1

Fansubbing is dead.

I initially started this post to prove/disprove this statement but found myself with a paltry pool of 18 fansub releases to analyze, only three of which broke an average of greater than 10,000 downloads per episode. Don’t even need ink to draw a conclusion there. Also, I’ve been harping on this since like 2013, so…

Conclusion #2

Nobody goes to Nyaa, no matter how wristy this makes Daiz.

Cry it out, big guy.

For all the fuss fansubbers made about circling their wagons on Nyaa to the expense of literally everything else, it turns out putting all your eggs in one basket doesn’t help much when said basket is a fucking trash compactor.

There is not one series this season where people would prefer downloading even the big bad HorribleSubs — fansubbing’s greatest nemesis since the invention of hygiene standards — to the lazy convenience of one shitty streaming site. Worse for the future of fansubbing’s last bastion, it seems the streaming scene exists across more than just one web address.

What a shock!

Thing is the fansub kiddies coulda seen their irrelevance written on the wall if even one of them was literate. Shit’s a case study in inbred ignorance.

Conclusion #3

Most people have worse taste than hero-samas named Dark_Sage.

I take it the people who like Kabaneri have just been rewatching episode 1 and pretending nothing else came after?

The Correct Top 5:

Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear

Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge

Anne Happy

Joker Game Nothing deserves to be #5

Conclusion #4

Literally everything would be better for the scene if fansubbers had crowned me king back in 1979 instead of stubbornly accepting their fate as members of a hobbyist group only ever intended to be a stop-gap till legal distribution methods could provide a feasible, cost-fair, and industry-supporting product.

Come on, a fansub review site without fansubs to review? Do you realize what a tough spot this puts me in? I’m like gonna have to work up the effort to replace the Review Summary or something.

Speaking of summaries, here’s where I’m at with the season (yeah, I’m actually watching shit for once):

Spoiler:

Normal Length

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

12-sai

6

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Ace Attorney

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Anne Happy

9

9

9

9

9

9

Bakuon

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Big Order

7

7

8

7

7

7

Boku no Hero Academia

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

6

Bungou Stray Dogs

9

8

8

7

7

7

Endride

6

5

5

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Flying Witch

8

8

8

8

8

8

Haifuri

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Hundred

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Joker Game

8

7

8

8

8

8

Kiznaiver

7

6

6

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Koutetsujou no Kabaneri

10

9

9

8

8

7

7

7

Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear

10

10

10

9

9

9

9

9

Kuromukuro

8

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Macross Delta

7

7

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Mayoiga

7

7

7

5

Dropped

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta

8

8

8

8

8

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Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

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Pretty solid offerings so far. If Summer brings us even half the amount of quality shows this season did, anime_2016 will be in a damn good place. And I guess that’s the conclusion of this post? I dunno, I just wanna go to sleep.

I agree, look at Kuromukuro this season, all the hype died down because the first 3 episodes weren’t instantly available with subs. And then GG came out of nowhere but the damage was already done, no one cares about Kuromukuro this season.

Another victim of this is the new Magi series, almost no one is watching it.

Cuz other than the walking trash bin that is Shiraishi, the characters are cute and their interactions are enjoyable. It’s a good show to watch socially, and effortless to pick up at any point of the day. (The faptastic reaction faces don’t hurt either.)

Are they fake? I could believe that, but I’d need something better than hearsay. Obviously the numbers aren’t *accurate* in the sense that each registered download is a completed episode viewing by a real person, but neither are KissAnime’s. Metrics are hard to perfect.

As far as HorribleSubs, I’m not really sure where the 8% comes from, but I would find it incredibly hard to believe they’re inflating anything on their site. And what would they inflate? The comments? Cuz I’m watching the chat box right now and it seems pretty natural.

Thanks, Fyurie. That’s what I figured, considering the “sketchiest” shit I heard of back when I was keeping track was just groups trying to artificially inflate their own numbers by grabbing their own releases multiple times.

8% came from my ass but it’s true that people don’t bother with HorribleSubs. I’m positive that 2/3 of community is totally clueless about source. They just google search everything, and that’s why they still don’t understand why DBS has broken subs (illegal streaming sites just take first available release and call it a day).

Ah, and HorribleSubs… I don’t think they actually have so many followers since their chat is full of same trolls who shitpost 24/7.

The fansubbing scene now is actually close to a golden stage. Anybody who wants to can download a low-quality version close to immediately after release – in the form of horriblesubs or the like. Those who want quality steps such as typesetting or karaoke can wait. Further, there are very few shows with multiple groups on it, so most groups are spending their resources on simply subbing instead of trolling.

Unfortunately, this also means that if a group stalls, it’s horrible or bust. For instance, FFF really is dying horribly, but since they’re the only group on shows, there’s no other choice but horriblesubs.

Then I’m the last fool who searches best subs for shows I really like.
I really freak out when some groups start dragging their feet in the middle of the season. Cthuko, if you’re reading this then stop and go finish OPM.

> Then I’m the last fool who searches best subs for shows I really like.

Definitely not the last. This is exactly the reason why I at some point ended up on this site. I have dozens of supposedly decent shows on my backlog, and even if there are multiple acceptable choices I still want to go with the best one available.

Yeah, they watch shit on those cancerous, illegal streams. I would rather drop anime than turn off my adblock, lol. For example, KissAnime generates shitload of aggressive ads. Actually, it’s pain to watch anything online unless you do have CR account.

1. People have always watched streams over downloading torrents. It’s been like this for over a decade in the fansubbing scene. This isn’t just limited to anime, either. The same thing happens with US shows. Using this metric to say fansubbing and torrenting is dead is beyond retarded because people have by and large ALWAYS streamed over torrenting shows. In fact anime downloads are extremely high compared to other things. Sites like KAT make their download numbers public, and only the extremely popular shows like Game of Thrones get DL numbers into the hundreds of thousands. HS averaging 50k for a number of shows is actually very impressive, especially given the popularity of anime.

2. In a post a few months ago (maybe over a year at this point?) you literally said one of the reasons fansubbing died is because there is no centralised entity for them. The idea was that there are too many groups and too many places to acquire subbed anime from and people preferred the convenience of HorribleSubs since it was a one stop shop for everything. Now in this post you are bashing fansubbers for all congregating to the biggest anime torrenting website? I don’t understand at all.

3. Multiple shows this season rely on fansubs since there are no professional alternatives. Until the day prosubs have every single show covered and there exists no fansub groups to improve upon their subs, fansubbing isn’t dead.

4. People flocking to the fastest and most consistent subs is nothing new. It existed even in in fansubbing’s prime. Speedsub groups always got far more downloads than higher quality groups. gg was only so popular because they subbed shows extremely fast and very consistently. They were basically the HS of the time, where the vast majority of people would download their subs and then complain about how bad they were (“made up translations”, “trolling”). It’s no surprise people watch HS over higher quality fansubs, since this trend has always existed.

Honestly, it’s just sad how you desperately bash on fansubbing and claim that you “called” its demise. It’s like you’re trying desperately to stay relevant in the scene (which you claim is dead, making it even more pathetic). “H-Hey fansub scene, remember me? I was the guy that reviewed your subs and built a very minor following doing so!”, “Hey /a/, I was totally the guy that said fansubbing would die! That was all me! R-Remember me, w-with the blog?”

1. Patently false. The fuck were you doing in 2006, cuz the streams you’re talking about were shit quality and couldn’t even be reliably viewed by most people because the internet sucked too much. On top of that, there was no central repository for animu streams, so if you wanted to watch a show, good odds were you’d have to turn to torrents. Otherwise, who the fuck would bother with the hassle?

2. There are lots of problems with fansubbing that the scene failed to address. How many posts do you want me to make that go over how badly they fucked up where most people these days don’t even know what the fuck a fansub is? What, you think the move to nyaa only was a good thing? Yeah, sure has worked out for ’em so far.

3. Macross Delta and Mukuro? Yeah, look how well that’s gone for those shows. And most of the people watching them don’t even know it was fansubbed or what a “gg” is.

4. Maybe you missed when HorribleSubs first hit the scene, but most people waited for fansubs over them. That audience was not lost accidentally.

Speedsubs tended to get more downloads, sure, but it wasn’t surprising for higher quality groups to surpass their numbers. Most groups did it for the DL e-peen back then, so if it wasn’t worthwhile, nobody would’ve gone tryhard.

5. Don’t particularly understand how you came to the conclusion that I care about what the fansub scene thinks, since every fansubber I talk to acknowledges the scene is dead and no longer even identifies with it (ignoring the few who joined within the past year or two who can’t tell the difference). Playing to an audience of corpses is a waste of time and not really my style.

As for /a/, I stopped visiting in 2010, so I can’t say I know what you’re referring to. And isn’t reddit where all the kids are these days anyway?

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And the numbers disagree. Fansubbing is in an even worse state than before. If you think the move was good, I’d encourage you to find evidence supporting your point — if you need help, I’d recommend looking in magical christmasland.

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Thanks for providing support to my argument that HorribleSubs wasn’t always dominant? Not really sure what you’re going for here, but okay.

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None of my non-otaku friends care about torrents at all. I even offered to grab the shows for them and they still prefer Crunchyroll. You think if Google ranked nyaa higher that everyone would flock to torrents? Please. Torrents are a timesink.

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Haven’t seen evidence of this. Where you getting your information from here?

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Nope, it’s unrelated. Sure, we have fewer downloads here, but for different reasons. And it could be even worse without nyaa. People are lazy these days, so having everything in one place is a big plus.

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Np. I just don’t know why you are trying to blame fansubbers so badly. People prefer HS because streaming sites improved their quality. Furthermore, community wants to support this industry. At least part of it. You get nothing from downloading fansubs, but you do support producer with your premium account.

Whether those numbers are true or not in the pics, streaming has always been the most watched and always will be (Kinda sad considering it’s inferior to downloading).

Either way, fansubbing is dying and no one can deny this. Whoever says otherwise is delusional. Less and less shows get picked up nowadays and download numbers are pretty low compared to what they were before many groups died off (This goes back to the screenshots and so on). Not to mention all the shit that doesn’t get pick up nowadays that doesn’t have anyone doing it but the cancerous subbers that think their TLs are actually good. Smh.

SS is biased. Dark_Sage included only stalled Commie’s shows. It was intentional, I know, but still… He’s getting old.
On the other hand, DDY has about 10k downloads, and Re:Zero is stalled as well (they don’t stall as long as Commie, tho).

I didn’t “intentionally” include anything. That was a simple search on “Commie” done Sunday afternoon, the results of which I found rather humorous. If those are Commie’s stalled shows, then I’d have to assume all their shows are stalled, which makes your argument about as pointless as Commie is.

Generally, the masses want what is fast, accessible, and have a minimum level of quality. For instance, if you think about Code Geass R2, Chihiro released a very fast (5 hours after launch) and accessible (XviD provided, along with DDL at animetake) sub. However, the quality was horrendous – worse only to Macross F. Even with that, it got 10,000 downloads within 12 hours. Yet, when gg released later in the day with acceptable quality, they got 40k.
That’s why streaming will always be king, as everyone with flash can access it, as opposed to having to install something like CCCP.

There is an exception though – which is familiar groups. Sometimes, when a group is well known, they will get higher download counts simply for being that group. For instance, Dattebayo used to release Naruto and Bleach to about 300,000 downloads a week. They released an old show that was already subbed (I think it was Dennou Coil? Can’t remember), and it got 100,000 per episode – even though the original release had only gotten about 10k per episode. While some can be contributed to RSS auto-downloads, a lot can only be contributed to the fact that some people download based off of group name.

RSS auto-downloads is the last thing I want to address. HS numbers are kind of inflated because of all the people who auto-download anything with the tag of “HorribleSubs”. For instance, their Netoge episode 1 has 80,000 downloads. Before the dawn of CR, that was what something like Gundam would get for downloads. Most downloads I had seen for a show that wasn’t Gundam, DB, or gg, was about 40,000. To double that on an ecchi show just doesn’t seem real.

Netoge’s 80k is actually believable. It’s different… Well, it was different, but it just turned into a generic pile of crap now. Episode 1 actually had me interested to keep on watching, and that was the general consensus from forums I read on, such as MAL.

RSS downloads can be filtered, but of course there’s those that just type ‘HorribleSubs’. I know I RSS feed all my shit with filters.

Although there were plenty of other different and popular shows in the past before HS. For instance, Bakemonogatari was extremely popular when it aired – becoming the /a/ show of the season, having a big group (gg) on it, and being very different than anything else airing. That was about 40k.
In fact, thinking back, the most popular shows of each season that weren’t a specific fanbase (Gundam/Naruto), they all got around 40k. Geass R2, Toradora, K-On, Bakemonogatari, DtB2, DRRR, K-On!!, etc.

I’m old-school. I still watch a lot of fansubs. Then again I watch as much old anime as I do airing shows, and many of those old ones are fansubbed. Some are ONLY available as fansubs. I still DL with IRC too, for that extra layer of dust.

So obviously I’m not a typical part of the audience, but fansubbing being put in a hospice doesn’t really bother me. I actually quite like CR subs. Funi are… mostly tolerable, and at worst are still better than some chucklefuck fansub groups I could mention.

As Kristen pointed out there’s still a place for BD rips, for the fans who want to store stuff for rewatching rather than just stream-and-forget.

So based on those numbers, Dark_Sage, the only show whose numbers haven’t dropped off considerably is Re: zero, which happens to also be the only show I am watching this season. I could maybe be persuaded to start Kuma Miko, but I can’t be bothered right now. I much prefer older series to the dreck released these days.

>this group still doesn’t have trusted, so people don’t bother with it

I don’t understand why people think nyaa ratings mean anything. Trollsubs with green, decent straight rips with red… even the ramblings of anime fandom’s barrel-scrapings in the comments section are a more reliable measure of quality. If I’m checking through nyaa torrents, I’ll see if there are any complaints in the comments, try to gauge whether they’re too retarded to take seriously or not, and make a choice myself.

I don’t think many people use filters on nyaa anymore. They were useful when the policy was essentially “blue is best, green we know are real subs, white you use at your own risk, red means it’s a compatability re-encode”. But since then it’s changed so that some reds are better than greens (and debatably blues), and some groups that you can trust to be real are put as whites.

Now, you may want to argue that the rules there have never changed and it’s always been done that way, or try and justify past actions of the nyaa moderators, and that’s fine. But what has happened is a change in public perception in that the filters are pretty much useless at this point outside of pretty colors.

I just wish they would change the orangy hue of re-makes to a real red so it would match the CGi site better.

We’re talking about the relevance of a fan distributor of a group of content that has a stigma around it even in its country of origin, where the community was built on sacrificing convenience for quality because that was the only differentiator considering it was all terribly inconvenient anyway.

I’m pretty sure that very few people care about that difference in quality anyway. If you notice a scene bleed with subtitles or typesetting and care, it’s probably because you’ve been conditioned to do so in order to get the best subs. As the minimum differentiating factor between fansubs and not, chapters are nice.

My questions for you are, why would you want fansubs to continue being relevant anyway? They lost relevance for reasons that weren’t their drop in quality – that’s the best way it could have gone. Also, what quality compromise would’ve needed to happen in order for them to continue being relevant?

(Final note: I’m pretty sure that nyaa is built more for programs to parse it than people. That’s probably a strength to the devoted audience, but alien and backwards otherwise.)

I sort of addressed that in #4 — it’s complicated. I miss the community that gave me some legitimately strong friendships, I miss the sheer absurdity of being able to build a niche solely out of fansub criticism, and I miss the pride the community used to have. At the same time, fuck fansubbers, the worthless cunts.

It’s the dream. Fansubbing is a community that provided something genuinely worthwhile to each other while expanding the base of those enjoying the same thing they did. Most every other group of people who like something is at best a comfortable circlejerk that manages not to ruin the things you enjoy.

You didn’t answer my second question, but I don’t really expect that you believe you could’ve led the community to much more continued relevance. If all the groups continued working at the quantity and quality they used to, you’d actually have material to review (and for loyal readers to read) though.

Your season previews are still rather nice. It’s one of the only previews that actually involve opinion rather than empty promotion of everything out of fear that someone might get offended. Even when your opinion is wrong, your commentary is useful.

Aikatsu Stars opens by covering the traditional entering school and meeting the other main character sections over the introductory episodes. The main rival characters for the first phase are also introduced and delineated by their resemblance to different animals such as tortoise and spider. They’re nothing we haven’t seen in the franchise before, but they serve the purpose well enough.

Animation quality is fine, but it doesn’t offer the quality of sakuga we’ve seen in the past, which is a shame. CG is integrated… decently, I guess. It’s what you’ve come to expect. Nice upbeat OP and ED, and nice of them to release them on the same album.

The school setting is very well handled. It breathes character, and the magic aspect as a whole really characterises this entry and makes it stand out.

The main characters are another duo, the first we’ve really seen since Hibiki and Kanade. At the same time, the show covers them actually meeting and getting to know each other, which recalls the very start of the franchise. While there’s less growing into each other and adjusting personally and more “Mirai is just so anxious to be friends and Riko is a tsundere”, this approach also works and it’s shortsighted to criticise for not measuring up to one of the best things the series has ever accomplished, being the growth of Nagisa and Honoka’s friendship in the early-to-mid arcs.

Mofurun is ridiculously adorable, but not in an annoying way like, say, Hummy. Not as character-filled as other mascots, like Tarte, but pretty good.