I think the biggest thing is to have a prominent Civil War history information page. A great many Whites who've grown up in the North or West have only heard a very limited and distorted version of the Civil War. Most Americans are very ignorant of Civil War history and are even afraid to examine it. How and Why and When the lives of 600,000 Americans were lost.

If we Americans can come to terms about the Civil War then we can unite. I don't believe most people just live in the present, I think memory drives the present. I think many Southerners on Stormfront are well versed in Civil War history and forget that many people out there are not. This lack of real Civil War education on the part of Northerners and Westerners needs to be addressed, consistently and thoroughly.

I can't think of any reason why White men would kill eachother to free a Black man. Something fishy in the idea the Civil War was about slavery. I think there was a larger reason behind the Civil War: To use one part of a nation to destroy the other part, ultimately weakening the spirit of the nation.

I was raised in a household that taught the Civil War was not about slavery but about getting cheap labor for the North - which is what happened, as far as I believe. Many people may think "Oh Stormfront is a Confederate KKK site" etc. and turn themselves off to it. Therefore, I think Civil War history really has to be exposed here to dispell that barrier.

I think alot of people would be curious about the true Civil War history if it was rigorously moderated and kept free of emotional posts. This would be Civil War history for the Mind rather than another thread which could be for the Heart. To win and keep converts it may be important to separate the Heart feelings for the Civil War from the Mind logic of the politics, but politics, throughout history, is fear driven, so it still is emotional territory, to a degree. But if endeavoured to be kept logical, then we could win the minds we have to.

That said, I agree 100%.
Our numbers are small. There are literally millions of patriots out there.
They most assuredly care, or they wouldn't be here.
Alienating them most assuredly does not advance our cause.

The 90% we do agree on is vastly more important than the 10% we don't.

Perhaps the infighting and bickering is the easiest thing to address in terms of not driving away potential members. Addressing everyone on this board with at least some respect is a start, The second step would be to calmly debate, instead of attack, White Nationalists you do not agree with. I do have this thought running strongly through my mind:

Now, to get in with direct Replies to other posters that are better expressed in a post than in a private message:

To Frank MacMann:

It is true what you say about the Klan in the media. The media only cares about the sensational. Some calm, intelligent White folks discussing things or planning activities will never be as fun as a bunch of drunken hill-billies causing a ruckus... I have met some very decent Klan members that are misrepresented every time that happens. I personally could never be directly involved in the Klan due to my non-Christian ideas. I think that attribute of Klan philosophy further hurts them in a way that I mentioned above in red.

Frank, you are doing the thing I respect most. You are enduring hardship and sacrifice to gain an education, and planning to let your wife do the same. This sacrifice will pay off for the betterment of yourself intellectually, and will provide for a greater host of opportunity to your family and especially children. This is the thing that most strengthens this movement in my opinion.

To Waldteufel:

Some very important points to consider, however I think it is healthy if ideologies have the ability to evolve as a person learns and grows. I do know what you mean about aniti's being able to see this. I usually like to stay here in the open since every once in a while an anti seems to post something that provides an interesting contrast, even if only to give me a better understanding of an enemy, or a better understanding of what the cloud hanging over many fellow White's eyes is made of, thus bringing me closer to learning how to expunge it. There is one other benefit to this particular post being in the open that ties in with that last benefit I mention... This thread has resounded with really great posts containing eloquently expressed views and important self-criticism that could clue in any curious reader that is not necessarily an anti, that we are definitely not the kind of people that Frank mentions a few posts up. It is a better showcase of our intelligents and humanity than other threads might be, at least to someone who is just curious about us, especially if they are on that border that has been mentioned several times above. I think that the more people in the general public who realize we are not the ignorant hatemongers that they may have thought for whatever reason, the better off we all are.

Obviously one way to not drive new women members away is to NOT turn their introductory threads into some kind of backwoods, chest beating, me the man thread. I am completely and utterly disgusted by what happened in that other thread.

I see constantly on this site people talking about needing and wanting more women members. Well, it's not going to happen with that kind of behavior. I posted a message to Mary and tried to assure her that the majority of men on this site are not like that because I am convinced that they are not.
Educated, well-spoken women are a great assest to have just as much as a woman with little education that may or may not be a stay at home mom.

Boo hoo, anyone who is going to get offended in the first 10 seconds of being here, is obviously spineless and no use having anyway ....

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Originally Posted by Muller

That just about sums it all up.

Wrong. They are more likely to be very apprehensive at first, but "spineless" is a bit dramatic, no? I know many people that pretty much agree with our general line of thought, but are uneasy about being labeled with the "nazi" icon.

SF is a place where we should be able to share ideas with each other, without fear of dissent--even amongst ourselves. If you disagree then please feel free to do so, but your condescending tripe is utterly useless and serves no positive purpose. You are better than that.

I dunno how accurate is but a friend of mine said in person that "the intelligent people on stormfront seem to get flamed by a lot of dumbasses becuase their posts dont have the feel of pure hate towards non-whites" now from what I've seen a lot of this forum isnt like that. But if thats the image we are giving off, maybe there is a way we could stop it, or at least tone it down.

I dunno how accurate is but a friend of mine said in person that "the intelligent people on stormfront seem to get flamed by a lot of dumbasses becuase their posts dont have the feel of pure hate towards non-whites" now from what I've seen a lot of this forum isnt like that. But if thats the image we are giving off, maybe there is a way we could stop it, or at least tone it down.

There are cliquish factions at SF that tend to badger anyone who dares to disagree with them. This is detrimental to SF, which is a composite of loosely assembled individuals sharing views on issues that are not only controversial, but taboo in mainstream society.

The results of intelligent debate are usually positive. Shrieking at dissenters en masse only drives people away.

I think the biggest thing is to have a prominent Civil War history information page. A great many Whites who've grown up in the North or West have only heard a very limited and distorted version of the Civil War. Most Americans are very ignorant of Civil War history and are even afraid to examine it. How and Why and When the lives of 600,000 Americans were lost.

If we Americans can come to terms about the Civil War then we can unite. I don't believe most people just live in the present, I think memory drives the present. I think many Southerners on Stormfront are well versed in Civil War history and forget that many people out there are not. This lack of real Civil War education on the part of Northerners and Westerners needs to be addressed, consistently and thoroughly.

I can't think of any reason why White men would kill eachother to free a Black man. Something fishy in the idea the Civil War was about slavery. I think there was a larger reason behind the Civil War: To use one part of a nation to destroy the other part, ultimately weakening the spirit of the nation.

I was raised in a household that taught the Civil War was not about slavery but about getting cheap labor for the North - which is what happened, as far as I believe. Many people may think "Oh Stormfront is a Confederate KKK site" etc. and turn themselves off to it. Therefore, I think Civil War history really has to be exposed here to dispell that barrier.

I think alot of people would be curious about the true Civil War history if it was rigorously moderated and kept free of emotional posts. This would be Civil War history for the Mind rather than another thread which could be for the Heart. To win and keep converts it may be important to separate the Heart feelings for the Civil War from the Mind logic of the politics, but politics, throughout history, is fear driven, so it still is emotional territory, to a degree. But if endeavoured to be kept logical, then we could win the minds we have to.

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I dont personally know anyone who thinks the civil war was about slavery, I know schools teach it that way though . I was taught that when a northern sodier died it wsa a tragedy but when a southerner died it was one less rebel to deal with. Im glad the north was victorious for the sake of preserving the union (I dont care as much about the slavery thing) but its too bad it had to resort to war. I know there is more to it, but it was a necessary war I think. I dont think the schools should teach that it wa about slavery. The emancapation proclaimation wasnt given untill 1863, the war started in 1861, and the emancipation proclaimation was a political move more than anything.

Stormfornt has never been in a better position than it is today. Today, Stormfornt has an added dimension it lacked not too long ago. As a result, it has a legitimacy today it lacked not to long ago.

Regarding some membership here that were expelled recently:

The few troubled individuals that I did notice getting kicked out were banned for very good reasons. This forum is much better off without them. Perhaps their supporters might want to leave as well, it will only be an improvement. The bottom line is that Stormfront is not a <<blondie>> club, its a serious grassroots movement for White Nationalists worldwide.

Although they may not comment, most senior moderators here, as well as Don Black, see this all to well. This discussion forum now gets a lot of exposure worldwide, thus, it is not for snot-nosed street-punks who give this noble movement a bad name. Therefore, if you want to stay then learn how to play.

Nonetheless, many of you here need get your faces out of the computer screen and educate yourselves about other white western cultures, particularlly the ones your ancestors descended from. Nevertheless, if you insist on acting like ignorant self-destructive racists, please go play elsewhere.

Wrong. They are more likely to be very apprehensive at first, but "spineless" is a bit dramatic, no? I know many people that pretty much agree with our general line of thought, but are uneasy about being labeled with the "nazi" icon. SF is a place where we should be able to share ideas with each other, without fear of dissent--even amongst ourselves. If you disagree then please feel free to do so, but your condescending tripe is utterly useless and serves no positive purpose. You are better than that.

Anyone who only decided to become a 'WN' just because he saw how nice one of our websites was, I wouldn't place a lot of trust on, would you?