You know, maybe if they used Linux/UNIX, they wouldn't be fixing things just "just break"....

Amen. I've seen Exchange set itself on fire for no apparent reason -- no log entries, no trace files, no warning -- and just die. I've seen IIS up and decide it won't serve web pages unless I disable and re-enable the network interface. And I've seen far too many things break after a reboot only to be solved by rebooting again.

Gentoo, on the other hand, only breaks when I know I'm doing something that will break it, like running gentoo-sources for instance. But even then I have information I can use to investigate the issue, rather than noticing that the Exchange MTA stacks service has stopped inexplicably._________________I don't believe in witty sigs.

Think of Microsoft Active Directory or Novell Netware. Linux has NIS, but it's too insecure to be useful in anything more than a lab or home environment.

i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!_________________NoManNoProblem

Think of Microsoft Active Directory or Novell Netware. Linux has NIS, but it's too insecure to be useful in anything more than a lab or home environment.

i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

NIS doesn't even require hacking. Just run a sniffer, and you should have plenty of passwords in minutes. It's amazing how an OS where security isn't merely an afterthought can have such a crappy directory service.

Think of Microsoft Active Directory or Novell Netware. Linux has NIS, but it's too insecure to be useful in anything more than a lab or home environment.

i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

NIS doesn't even require hacking. Just run a sniffer, and you should have plenty of passwords in minutes. It's amazing how an OS where security isn't merely an afterthought can have such a crappy directory service.

well dont use nis then, as many suggested openldap ._________________NoManNoProblem

i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

Well, as a former assistant Novell admin, I can vouch that if set up properly, Novell Netware is probably the most stable, robust, and secure non-UNIX-esque server OS.

Unfortunately, due to the growth of Windows 2000 in the server environment, properly trained and knowledgable Netware admins are becoming more and more difficult to find...

...but, then, even Windows 2000 can be locked down and stripped to a minimalistic state that provides a very good degree of stability...

Think of Microsoft Active Directory or Novell Netware. Linux has NIS, but it's too insecure to be useful in anything more than a lab or home environment.

i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

NIS doesn't even require hacking. Just run a sniffer, and you should have plenty of passwords in minutes. It's amazing how an OS where security isn't merely an afterthought can have such a crappy directory service.

well dont use nis then, as many suggested openldap .

In order to get the equivalent functionality out of OpenLDAP that you would with Active Directory (assuming that at least some of your clients are Windows), you need to tack on Kerberos, Samba, NTPD, and BIND. For medium-sized to large networks, this can quickly become unmanageable, particularly if you have to give some basic administration rights to underlings. The only way it would work in a business environment is if I was the only one managing the directory, or if there were tools that combined administration of the needed servers so a PHB could use it without his eyes glazing over. AFAIK (I could be wrong), no such tools exist, at least not freely.

I may set up such a system on my personal network to get some hands-on experience with it, but I can't see myself using it for anything else other than a fun lab exercise.

In order to get the equivalent functionality out of OpenLDAP that you would with Active Directory (assuming that at least some of your clients are Windows), you need to tack on Kerberos, Samba, NTPD, and BIND.

For medium-sized to large networks, this can quickly become unmanageable, particularly if you have to give some basic administration rights to underlings.

Simply not true.

nbg wrote:

The only way it would work in a business environment is if I was the only one managing the directory, or if there were tools that combined administration of the needed servers so a PHB could use it without his eyes glazing over.

Again, simply not true. I work for a Fortune 50 company that relies heavily upon LDAP (commericial, not Open) and has it integrated fully with their kerberized infrastructure. NIS maps, DNS information and pretty much anything else can be stored and/or updated in LDAP. Management is easy and very scalable. Just because a management tool isn't available as an MMC plugin doesn't mean it's difficult to use.

--kurt_________________The problem with political jokes is that they get elected

whats that nbg?
i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

whats that nbg?
i dont know what " Microsoft Active Directory" is, but i have heard of "Novell Netware"... thats the thing my school uses. haha come on! even _i_ hacked it!
pfft "insecure".. then you should use Novell Netware.. Thats insecure!

how old are you anthos? you still at high school?

why you wonder?
im 17 and soon to be 18, more precisly on the 29th in 22 days from now.
im at the "gymnasium" as its called in sweden, second grade.
with Sociology as program._________________NoManNoProblem

I once heard a good one from an it director of a financial services company. He basically said that if we used linux (debian) instead of hp-ux, solaris or NT that would mean that whenever something broke or crashed he would be directly accountable and responsible for it. With proprietrary stuff he could just say it's an nt/solaris/hp-ux problem whenever they came across a particularly nasty problem and the company are looking into it. A case of pass the buck to the editor and let them take the flak, that's what they are paid for. That way the decision makers are happy, the editors get more work, nobody is ultimately responsible and nothing gets solved._________________#! /usr/bin/perl
if( @first != $succeed ) {
post { $question->forum && eval '$answers' };
try { $again } catch { $problem && $resolve };
bless $posters; }

Speaking of directory services, has anyone here tried Novell's eDirectory for linux? (in a production environment or something similar). I've worked with Novell servers for quite a while and know they can be very secure and massively scalable if properly configured. They deliver file and print services like a trooper. There is all the weirdo windows problems... something stops working for some reason, you get it fixed but what went wrong is a great mystery.. maybe solar activity? Intense neutrino bombardment? Uranus rising during the age of aquarius?

Speaking of directory services, has anyone here tried Novell's eDirectory for linux? (in a production environment or something similar). I've worked with Novell servers for quite a while and know they can be very secure and massively scalable if properly configured. They deliver file and print services like a trooper. There is all the weirdo windows problems... something stops working for some reason, you get it fixed but what went wrong is a great mystery.. maybe solar activity? Intense neutrino bombardment? Uranus rising during the age of aquarius?

hehe. thats one of the reasons why i switched to linux. it made me paranoid "what if they are watching me? i was just about to this and that and then where the fuck did that came from, they are trying to stop me!" _________________NoManNoProblem

We have 2-3 people here at work that know Unix/Solaris. I asked one of them what they thought about Linux/Open Source in our workplace and the excuse he thought the IT dept felt was that of the Open Source aspect. They would need someone knowledgeable enough to examine each & every piece of source code to make sure no backdoors, etc.. were in it.

<shrug> THey just love wasting money on Windows licenses here. We got a "network" PC that just site there and pings 6 toublesome routers to make sure they're up (will be replaced someday.... ) They paid for another license just to have 6 dos windows up, pinging the routers.

linux can serve files, printers, internet, act as a firewall, and webserver, and others.. but this one thing I haven't found a solution for.._________________Kororaa install method - have Gentoo up and running quickly and easily, fully automated with an installer!