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Has anyone had a level 4 episiotomy? My Dr. told me that it is normal after he cut me. I feel like he made a mistake but am having trouble finding information on it. I was given around 60 stitches. Is this normal?

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i also had a level 4 episiotomy but was never even told. I found out when I went to deliver my second child and the nurse said, "ouch, you had a level 4 episiotomy" and I had to ask her what that was. I had a VERY hard recovery with my first child and now i know WHY! I am pregnant with my 3rd child and have since changed dr.s and this dr. basically said they don't even do episiotomy's and they do perinial (sp) massage the whole time you are in labor which is suppose to decrease your chances of an episiotomy. I still get mad thinking about it.... and no, it's not normal. of all my friend i am the only one who has ever had anything to that extent! change dr.'s on your next child!!

Saying No to Episiotomy
01.18.2011
By Elizabeth Bruce
Issue 104, January/February 2001
Episiotomy--the cutting of perineal tissues during delivery--is not something that most women give a second thought to, at least not until they've given birth for the first time. The perineum is the delicate area between the vagina and the anus. After an episiotomy, even sitting can be painful, and sex can be unbearable. Episiotomy is the most common surgical procedure performed in the US, and, according to Sheila Kitzinger, "It is the only surgery likely to be performed without her consent on the body of a healthy woman in Western society."1 During a typical hospital birth, it's the rare woman who is not cut either "above" (in a C-section) or "below" (an episiotomy). Currently, at least 80 percent of first-time mothers delivering vaginally in the US undergo this painful procedure.2 A research review by the World Health Organization, however, indicates that evidence only supports a 5 to 20 percent episiotomy rate.3
Medical textbooks teach that episiotomies are necessary to prevent tearing and to protect the baby's head. Actually, tears are usually less severe without episiotomy, and the procedure itself can cause further tearing. Furthermore, unless the baby is premature, its head is made to withstand the pressures of delivery. For years, it was believed that an episiotomy protected a woman against future uterine prolapse, although this has since been disproved. As Penny Simkin points out, "The advantages of episiotomy have long been assumed, but never proven."4
One doctor told me that he preferred doing episiotomies because he found a straight edge easier to repair than a "jagged" tear. Christiane Northrup, MD, maintains, however, that vaginal lacerations "are trivial and very easy to repair in comparison to the damage done by episiotomies. They are also far less painful."5 In any event, should the doctor's convenience really take precedence over a woman's comfort? Another contributing factor in the hospital is the general rush to get the baby out once full cervical dilation has been reached, even though there is no evidence to suggest that faster is better. Since an OB is hired to "do something," he or she may feel pressured to do an episiotomy when things naturally slow down during transition.
Complications of Episiotomy
Although episiotomy seems like a simple operation, it carries the risk of complications, including "excessive blood loss, hematoma formation (a form of swelling or bruising), infection, or abscessing. Sometimes trauma from an episiotomy of the anal sphincter and rectal mucosa leads to a loss of rectal tone and, in severe cases, a fistula, or hole, between the vagina and rectum."6 It can also kill your sex life, at least temporarily.
Sheila Kitzinger found that episiotomy harmed women both physically and psychologically. Fifteen percent of postpartum women who had torn described their perineum as "painful or very painful" at the end of the first week, compared to 37 percent of the episiotomy group.7 Moreover, a woman "who has had an episiotomy, especially if her permission was not asked beforehand, may also feel violated. That is a word many women use when talking about their reaction to episiotomy."8 Certainly extreme pain and the feeling of being violated may help explain why some women have no interest in sex after an episiotomy.
Why Do Women Tear?
The myths that purport to explain why women tear during delivery include a)the mother is too small; b)the baby is too large; and c)pushing happened too fast. One of the most important considerations is the mother's position during second stage (pushing). The popularly used lithotomy position (flat on your back with your feet in stirrups--the standard hospital position) is the worst possible position for delivery. Putting a woman's feet into stirrups stretches her vaginal tissues in an abnormal way. The further back her legs are pushed, the more strain is involved. When a midwife notices your tissues looking "white," she will likely tell you to stop pushing, or she will apply counterpressure to the area. In contrast, a physician may figure he can repair the damage later and may continue telling you to push. In her book Gentle Birth Choices, Barbara Harper writes, "The combination of birthing in the lithotomy position and strained pushing will cause the perineum to tear."9
Success Stories
In 1993, I experienced the joy of my first vaginal birth (my first child had been delivered by cesarean section). My 7-pound, 11-ounce baby, born in the hospital, resulted in tears that required stitching. I now believe that the tearing occurred because I was encouraged to push before I was ready. Fortunately, I educated myself before the next birth. During the homebirths of my last two babies, I delivered in a hands-and-knees position. Although I am petite (105 pounds), both babies were birthed without any tears or cutting. My son weighed 9 pounds, 8 ounces. Total pushing time? Nine minutes and three minutes, respectively. The fact that the midwife said, "Push when you feel like it" helped immensely. I'm thankful that she urged me to slow down to allow the perineum time to stretch.
A few years ago, a woman named Gail came to me with a serious concern. During the birth of her first baby, she had received an episiotomy that resulted in a fourth-degree tear into the anus. Now pregnant again, Gail was worried that the resulting scar tissue might not stretch and that she would be cut again. Since the original incision had caused her considerable discomfort, she was anxious to do anything possible to avoid repeating the experience.
We discussed upright positions and the importance of expressing her wishes in a birth plan, and she and her husband used perineal massage at home. Gail birthed a 10-pound baby girl in the side-lying position and was elated at the fact that her perineum remained intact. She was also thrilled with her relatively easy recovery.
How to Avoid Episiotomy
If possible, have a midwife deliver your baby instead of a physician. Although midwives are skilled at performing episiotomies, they rarely find them necessary. Typically, midwives "place warm compresses on the perineum to relax the tissue and make it more flexible, or massage and stretch it out with warm oil."10
Hiring a doula is another way to keep your perineum intact. A doula stays with the mother during her labor and helps the mother and her partner to be comfortable. She helps make sure that the parents' birth plan is followed, and provides physical and emotional support during labor. In one study, the presence of a doula resulted in a 60 percent reduction in epidural requests and a 40 percent reduction in forceps deliveries;11 both procedures are major contributors to high episiotomy rates.
There are situations when an episiotomy may be necessary, but these are rare. A breech birth is the classic example, when time is of the essence to birth the baby's head. Other unusual fetal positions, such as face first or a compound presentation, may necessitate an episiotomy. Premature births sometimes also require an episiotomy to take pressure off the baby's delicate skull.
Women's bodies are designed to give birth without surgical intervention. Episiotomy was invented to facilitate forceps deliveries and has continued mainly out of habit not necessity. If you eat well during pregnancy, move around during labor and delivery, and deliver in a supportive environment, chances are that you won't require an episiotomy or even tear. If you do tear, recovery is almost always easier than with an episiotomy. As with most concerns about labor, often the best advice is to trust the process and to follow your instincts.
Notes
1. Sheila Kitzinger, Episiotomy and the Second Stage of Labor (Seattle, WA: Pennypress, 1990), 1.
2. Watson Bowes, "Should Routine Episiotomy Be Performed Routinely in Primiparous Women?" Ob/Gyn Forum 5, no. 4 (1991): 1-4.
3. Marsden Wagner, Pursuing the Birth Machine: The Search for Appropriate Birth Technology (Camperdown, New South Wales, Australia: ACE Graphics, 1994), 165-174.
4. See Note 1, 13.
5. Christiane Northrup, Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom (New York: Bantam, 1998), 469.
6. Barbara Harper, RN, Gentle Birth Choices (Rochester, VT: Healing Arts Press, 1994), 75.
7. See Note 1, 104.
8. See Note 1, 103.
9. See Note 5, 75.
10. Sandra Jacobs, with American College of Nurse-Midwives, Having Your Baby with a Nurse-Midwife (New York: Hyperion, 1993).
11. Marshall H. Klaus, MD, John Kennell, MD, and Phyllis H. Klaus, MEd, Mothering the Mother: How a Doula Can Help You Have a Shorter, Easier and Healthier Birth (Old Tappan, NJ: Addison Wesley Longman, 1993).
For more information about episiotomies, see the following past issues of Mothering: "Avoiding an Episiotomy," no. 75; "Episiotomy," no. 55; and "Birth Without Surgery," no. 32.
Elizabeth Bruce, MA, CCE, lives in the Washington, DC, area with her husband, Andy, and their four children, Anders (9), Doug (7), Celeste (5), and Jay (2 1/2). She teaches Birth Works classes and has written for Midwifery Today and Compleat Mother.

I believe I had a 4th degree tear. The pushing was the easiest part of the labor and the doctor just kept telling me to push (I don't think he tried anything to help the tears, or maybe he couldn't), and my baby was only 8lbs. So I don't know if it was due to sensitive tissues or pushing to quickly. They took more than 30min. to stitch me. It was really bad, I was so swollen, that every nurse and doctor who saw it had to point it out. I couldn't walk very well and had to have ice pack, good padding, and pain medication to make it bearable. It took about 2 wks for the swelling to finally go down. And now after 3 months, I still feel tightness down there and am very much afraid to begin having sex again.

I had a very small tear with my daughter. I had a homebirth with lots of warm olive oil and massage to my perinial area. Honestly if you have the option I strongly recommend massage with warm oil and also a warm wash cloth over the area during labor and the early pushing stages. If you do tear or are given and episiotomy then I strongly encourage you to use calendula tincture to increase the healing process.

NOT NORMAL! I had a level four episiotomy performed on me by a panicky nurse midwife who in my opinion didn't know what the hell she was doing. She offered me no other support, not massage or anything, ignored my birthplan all together. She panicked, and cut me not with scissors either but with a scaple! apparently it was so bad that they had to call the Doctor in to stitch me up. The doctor tried to stich me up without any pain relief not even a local I was screaming and she kept telling me I shouldn't be feeling anything. FInally she had them knock me unconscious took 5 sutchure kits and over an hour to put me back together. I only got to see my baby for 30 seconds before they knocked me out. This was my second baby. I had my first baby naturally in a birth home, from start to finish labor to birth was 3 hours. #2 one, was done in a hospital took twice as long, and I will never go willingly into a hospital again. I am 7 weeks along with #3 now and this one will be delivered @ home!

No - it is not normal. I just had an appt with my OB - I'm 10 weeks from having my second. We talked about my first baby and my awful episiotomy (was level 3 or 4 - are waiting to hear which). He warned me that if it was a 4 your OB really needs to know this when you are having more children because multiple level 4 tears can cause problems (I didn't catch it all but it didn't sound good). You also don't want to hear how long it was before I can say sex was always painfree. For those who commented on being scared - I've been there an you really need to explain to your husband so they can be extra careful and gentle or you may feel like you are never going to feel normal again. But that day did finally come. And just think I might have only had a level 3.

of course you tore after he cut you. he basically paved the way and made it easier for you to tear. its a complete myth that episiotomy's heal better than tears or are less painful. in fact there no medical proof that episiotomy's are beneficial in any way to the mother. here is a webite i recently found because i had routine episiotomy done after i specifially told my doctor not to do one. it is actually better to tear naturally because it is so unlikely that you will tear as bad as getting an episiotomy. heres the website
http://www.efn.org/~djz/birth/obmyth/epis.html

My doctor gave me an episiotomy. I don't know how many stitches, but I don't beleive it was that many. She wouldn't give me a perinial massage DURING labor, because she said it makes the muscles "turn to mush, like a rotton fruit" and that it usually causes tearing. She did suggest doing perinial massage before labor though, in the last month or so.

I had a 3rd degree tear. My doctor didn't have time to cut me. Baby was being stubborn and then all of the sudden she came out. My bottom was pretty tender for a couple weeks but it got better. Now I just have to conquer my nerves about sex after having those stitches and such.

1973 my class4 with forcept. Also knew nothing but that used forceps. Found out later that small bone of pelvis broke. Problem was big boney baby with small mother and precipitous labor of over due 2 wks that presented at exam every visit on verge of labor. Baby got in distress and concern was shoulders stuck issue. Very experienced Dr I had never seen a Univ. hospital. Now a crash c-section? All my pain I have come after years to reconcile to gratefulness for my excellent son. This is not always the outcome of complications. I would do anything for my child or grandchildren. Have rectal fistula of ruptured sutures and didn't sit proper for 6 wks.

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