Democrat leaders to Trump: Drop border wall plans

Democrats had a message for President Donald Trump on the eve of their meeting Tuesday: Drop a proposal to spend $5 billion on the border wall to avoid a partial government shutdown.

“This holiday season, the president knows full well that his wall proposal does not have the votes to pass the House and Senate, and should not be an obstacle to a bipartisan agreement,” Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer of New York and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California said in a joint statement Monday night.

They are scheduled to meet with the president in the White House at 11:30 a.m.

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Congress and the president have until Dec. 21 to reach a budget deal to avoid a government shutdown except for essential services in several agencies.

Funding will run out for agencies that employ about 600,000 federal workers: Homeland Security Department, Interior Department, Agriculture Department, the Justice Department, NASA, the Commerce Department, the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Transportation Department, as well as smaller ones.

A short-term spending bill was passed last week to push ahead the shutdown deadline.

About 70 percent of the federal government, including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services, are funded through next September.

The Democratic leaders said Trump would be blamed if there is a shutdown.

“Republicans still control the House, the Senate, and the White House, and they have the power to keep government open,” they said. “Our country cannot afford a Trump s hutdown, especially at this time of economic uncertainty.”

The Democrats will take over the House in January and the Republicans, who will have a 53-47 advantage in the Senate, need 60 votes to pass a budget proposal.

Republicans and Democrats on the Senate appropriations committee earlier this year agreed to

$1.6 billion for the wall as part of appropriations for the fiscal year 2018.

Pelosi and Schumer want Trump to approve a yearlong stopgap funding measure, also known as a continuing resolution.

“Congress must fully fund border security in the year-end funding bill,” Trump said. “I actually think the politics are very bad for them.”

Also Friday, Trump said that a wall between the United States and Mexico could cost as little as $15 billion, which is $10 billion lower than the figure he once promised and it would be underwritten by Mexico.

The greatest Christmas gift the government could give is to insure our internal security once and for all from the Honduran Hun Hordes and others that attack our jobs, our freedoms, our security and our personal property and avoid the ultimate long term costs to keep the liberal lie and Internationalist freedom façade they promote in place. Pay a little now in shutdown inconvenience, or pay a lot later in the loss of an entire nation. The Democrat deleterious lies and unfulfillable promises have now lived long enough to come back upon a beguiled nation who no longer can ignore the pain, and the financial depletion of finite wealth being infinitely spent like there is no tomorrow. There won’t be one when failed foreign secularism replaces proven fecund American Christian inspired Capitalist success. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid if their country, and draw a line in the sand and a wall on our border and say NO MORE!,,,lest we lose in one selfish generation of taking, that which our forefathers died for in sacrifice, which is the true message of this Christmas, that it is better to give to our children in sacrifice now, than receive more “Feel Good”unfulfilled promises that get paid by them later. Shut it down NOW.

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DrGadget

8:57 pm December 11, 2018 at 8:57 pm

Agreed. And Trump holds all the cards. So what if the govt stays shut down for several months? No big loss. Trump was smart enough to fund Defense separately. That’s the only thing conservatives care about, since Defense spending it actually in the Constitution.

Let the Welfare checks stop and see how long the Libs continue to believe the lies from Pelosi and Schumer. All they have to do is agree to an additional 15 billion or so in a 4 trillion dollar budget. Suddenly worried about the debt? Just give Trump his wall so our Welfare checks can resume.

Trump tweets out “Pelosi wants to starve Welfare families to make a point. The point is she hates America.”

Trump has nothing to lose. Even if this drags out through the new Congress, Trump still has the upper hand. The Dems can’t override a veto.

If remember correctly one of the Demos said Us demos are so smart we know more than anyone else. I sure don’t think that is true. It costing the tax payers at least 23 million or billion a year to keep the all the illegals for a year.

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ltuser

4:23 pm December 11, 2018 at 4:23 pm

And i say to the dems “WE THE PEOPLE demanded a border wall, so give us what we demanded, or GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY and let Trump do our will”..

Do we so soon forget? During tinkerbell obama’s dictatorship, the Liberal Democrats shut down the government over the disastrous “obama care” and blamed it on the Republicans. Do we not remember; Nancy pea Pelosi saying “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”? (obama care)
Do we forget when the Liberal Democrats shut down the government over government funded abortions?The traitorous Liberal Democrats do not want the border wall because they want the illegal immigrant illegal votes.

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ltuser

4:24 pm December 11, 2018 at 4:24 pm

And with 90% of the media in their back pockets, no Matter WHO causes the govt shutdown, Trump will always get the blame.

AND TO ME, since the congress critters STILL GET PAID< its not a proper shutdown.

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chrose

8:32 pm December 11, 2018 at 8:32 pm

I just see the DNC killing itself daily while thinking they are smart and winning. No way, Jose! WE are THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT YOU, but keep blathering as you are removed and many of you to the gallows for treason. You don’t give a damn about your voters just that they be sufficient to get you in to office and after that you spit on them! We must Drain the Congress Swamp NOW! and close down Congress and they are removed as our employees with no lifetime benefits or anything else. We will start fresh when we have the right employees to be there and represent us and not their sick greed of money and thinking they are the government. No more, no more! Actually we still want a return of many millions to hide democrat sexual harassers whether male or female, along with a list of them all. We have had it with the DNC and its communist desires. We will no longer tolerate your stupidity and thinking you own us and will win against our President. Dream on! because it ain’t gonna happen. You are greedy and power hungry while he loves his country and wants to MAGA. What a great problem it is for you losing daily members and becoming also more demented as you should have been out of Congress decades ago. Now, we will help you out of Congress by removing you and, yes, we can impeach you!

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thedove

8:48 pm December 11, 2018 at 8:48 pm

>> close down Congress and they are removed as our employees with no lifetime benefits or anything else <<

You constantly harp on this "close down Congress and start over" nonsense, but you've never once answered my question; how do you propose we do this? Get past middle school-fantasy, and make reasonable suggestions.

As Savage said today, there are way too many buildings and overpaid employees doing little to nothing in the way too many departments. When I was growing up there were only 25% of employees, so obviously no need to have way over this percentage today. We can sell those buildings or lease them, etc. As to the departments now is the time to combine them all in one location and with ONLY NECESSARY EMPLOYEES. We need that money to pay down the debt Obama left us. As to the wall, we need $25 billion and 1.6 billion won’t even be a real start. The democrats are trying everything to control, but in the end WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND WE WILL CONTROL! You are employees and nothing more. We support Cruz’s plan for the whole $25 billion. Savage also mentioned if enough of use are interested, he would set up a paypal fund the wall and we could contribute any amount we could. Also having the military build the wall is even a better idea. Also there are many contractors who would also pitch in. Sorry Schumer and Mentally Deficient Pelosi, you ain’t got a chance in Hell. You have nothing to give or do but carp and hate and that is not and will not work. By the way you have new ignorant babies coming in January so we know you will be trying to beat them into submission. Good luck with that too.

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ltuser

4:25 pm December 11, 2018 at 4:25 pm

Chrose. As i have asked before during prior shutdowns. IF SO MANY FOLK are “let go” because they are “Non-essential”, why the hell are they employed in the first place?!?!?

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thedove

8:52 pm December 11, 2018 at 8:52 pm

Ituser, they aren’t “let go.” They are not paid until the government re-opens, then they get back pay for the time they were “laid off” (in name only). In other words, they get a paid vacation, don’t lose a penny in wages. Your gummint at work.

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ltuser

11:56 pm December 11, 2018 at 11:56 pm

I put the “let go’ in quotations to show it’s not really a let go.. As you said, as they get back pay once the govt shutdown ends, in effect, they get a PAID vacation on OUR DIME… IT ROYALLY *****..

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thedove

9:02 pm December 12, 2018 at 9:02 pm

>> I put the “let go’ in quotations to show it’s not really a let go. <<

THE PEOPLE will see which party loves Self-governing trained American children most, or which party edifies foreign passion ruled children unable to govern their own lives, making them not only unfit to participate in our precious experiment in American human Self-government, but the very cause of our ability to Self-govern this nation in the future. Only when THE PEOPLE see the truth will we recapture the House of THE PEOPLE and secure our freedoms and our future.

Shut down the government! And while it is shut down, announce that the Combat Engineers and Seabees will build the wall in its entirety, using money that is part of defending this country’s sovereignty, borders, laws, and existence.

Wish we could Frank, one of the little catches in the system is that the US military cannot “compete” with civilian industry. When i was stationed at a US Army airfield in northern Virginia, we re-surfaced our runways, parking areas and taxiways using a civilian firm, paid too much and received a poor job. What makes it humorous (or not….) was the fact that this took place at Fort Belvoir, at the time the US Army Engineer Center…..

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TTrain

11:13 am December 11, 2018 at 11:13 am

There is always more than one way to filet a fish. The wall should be a part of our national defense system, and should fall under military infrastructure. We can do this. The money is a drop in the bucket of what we waste in federal programs. Shut it down until we have the funding. Liberal democrats will always blaming Republicans for any shutdown. We need to blame them just as loud or they win.

The corps of engineers builds dams locks and controls much of the mouth of the mississippi. Protecting the country is what they are charged with doing. They would not be competing with industry, Actually the corps could just contract with industry to work together on the project just like they do elsewhere. The problem is acquiring the land but that could be taken care of with a presidential decree of national emergency and instructions to ignore any court order. i.e. build it first then worry about a leftist america hating court order. If he did this Trump would be sitting on a 60% approval and be totally unimpeachable. He would be walking on water. But I have come to the conclusion that for whatever reason, he seems to cave. He may be no veto Trump when this is over. Really he is a nice caring ethical person and it shows. He barks but at least in the presidency, doesn’t bite. I remember Andrew Jackson and the moving of the Indians from Alabama to Oklahoma. When John Marshall and the US supreme court ruled in favor of the Indians (a just and correct judgement in my opinion) Jackson replied as he ordered the army to evict the indians, ‘Mr. Marshall has his army, I have mine.’ Or something to that effect. All Trump has to do for a ten point mark up is the same thing on this. Remember , he kind of did it with obamacare and his ratings went up almost 10. He is now at 50%. Not bad considering. 60 would be better.

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ltuser

4:28 pm December 11, 2018 at 4:28 pm

MAYBE we then need to CHANGE those bloody laws, huey.. And like TTrain and James said, THIS IMO should fall under DEFENSE of the nation, ergo is RIGHT in the military’s job description of DEFENSE DEPARTMENT..

I’m with the large majority of Americans and we demand the wall! Democrats continue with their BS trying to tell us what is good for us. Letting illegals in our country to steal what we work for is not good!
Every day illegals are still gaining entry into our country. This has to end!! Stop sending those countries south of us any money. Put a large (25%+) tax on all remittance being sent south. That will fund the wall!
The good I see in this mess is that President Trump will win a second term. He is the only one that fights and does what is best for us!!
Shut down the government. The Democrats are responsible for this mess!

The second term will be a hard fight. With the liberals’ tactics before, during and after elections, liberals will win most of any election in the future. This last November is a clear example. Ballot harvesting, “late” arriving mailed-in ballots, recounts, lawsuits, and manual recounts will give liberals almost all of the victories. Florida results were a hard fought war put up by Conservatives around the state to stop them from stealing races. We barely prevailed.

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ltuser

4:29 pm December 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm

That is why we need to get PHOTO ID laws put in place, and do away with the whole ‘mail in ballot’ bull hockey.. IMO IF you are not in the military, and are not physically disabled to the point, you can’t travel TO a voter center, YOU SHOULD GET YOUR LAZY *** to that center to vote.

Chuckie and Nancy, what you’ll are missing is that you may not want the wall, but the American people do. You both are like that idiot Hirono and think you know more than the American people. Shutting the gov’t down for a while means people like you’ll cannot keep screwing with us.

Unfortunately it is always WE THE PEOPLE who reap the fruits of the bad seeds they sow. They never take responsibility for the horrors that follow them like night follows day, because they have the blanket of the media moons that eclipse and cover their mistakes like the Moon eclipses our American sun.

No. Wrong thinking. The illegals will go anywhere in the US which they have relatives and friends to help them out. They will settled down and quickly multiply. They are outbreeding the US citizens all over the country. And they will petition the system with expert helps to bring their families and relatives over to the US, and start the process all over again. Very, very wrong thinking.

Fund the entire wall, all twenty billion of it, no more piecemealing. Get off your worthless posteriors congress and do your freaking job!
All progressives, that is Democrats and RINOs, listen up, it’s over get the hell out of the way!
Put the hurt on them Donald. Hammer them until they can only whimper. Shut the government down and twitter like crazy. Open a faceBook account and explain in full what you are doing and what the double be damned Democrats are doing. Dare Zuckerberg (and append his real name), to cancel your account or block you.
There are other social media websites where you could talk directly to we citizens without the progressive dirtballs stopping you. Go for it, we are behind you and if you need, right at your shoulder!

What irked me off, is i was listening to the radio and some gal was saying “impeach trump for wanting to shut the govt down, HE IS NOT doing his job of passing the budget congress wants”.

FUNNY< I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT was the one who wants the budget, and congress's job is to give what HE wants in a budget to him.. AND since for 10+ years now, they've failed to do their CONSTITUTIONAL WRITTEN DUTY of passing one ON TIME for a full year, how's about we start FIRING everyone working IN congress!

I’m pretty sure Trump’s advisors have brought this up and it is in his back pocket, but if he would just cancel an order on one F-35 jet, it would pay for the wall! He can legally divert military funding because it is within National Security and National Defense, which is what the constitution allows him to do with the military funding.

Has any of the Idiots figured out how much it costs the American Taxpayer to Support these invaders. Please include the lost of Innocent american lives, rapes , incarceration in prisons , education , etc. etc. Monies that could be used to help needy ( not those in Congress) senior citizens, the poor americans , veterans , etc, etc. Remember it is our tax dollars supporting these people not money from the inviting politicians , billionaire bleeding heart entertainers etc,etc, BUILD THE WALL, SAVE AMERICA, AND AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS , LIVES ETC.

When they have been talking about this caravan of invaders, they have said the cost per year PER EACH ILLEGAL is around $70,000 .. our Seniors live on 1/3 of that or less a year… WHY ARE WE
SPENDING ONE DIME ON AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!!! we should not be supporting any illegal alien ever…. this simply encourages more and more of them to invade the country to take advantage of us… IT IS WAY PAST TIME THAT WE STOP ALL FREE HANDOUTS TO ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS, STOP ALL ANCHOR BABIES AND ENFORCE E-VERIFY ACROSS ALL STATES!!!!
HEAVEN HELP OUR COUNTRY IF WE DO NOT GET IT SECURED AND STOP ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM ENTERING….

In essence, what the Democrats are saying is ” forget the will of the people of the United States of America.”, which is something they say everyday in everything they do and don’t do. Maybe it is time for a Revolution for the Restoration of Independence.

Here is a simple idea. TRADE! We will take 1 (one) of their welfare seekers if they will take one of our socialists, starting with congress and other politicians. Then continue with tenured idiots and looney celebrities and billionaires looking for slave labor and then continue until we are populated with freedom-loving people.

Oh, and the ‘seekers’ we accept have to assimilate within 5 years or they go back. Of course the ones we traded can never come back. Whatcha think?

The natural result of no wall is more illegal aliens;
which results in more terrorists entering America;
which results in a greater risk of a massive, coordinated attack;
which results in huge numbers of dead and injured;
which results in the liberals demands for Trump to “do something”
along with condemnation for “not having a plan to prevent it.”

These mindless liberals will be declared innocent of any errors in judgment by the media. Instead, it will be said, “It’s all Trump’s fault. He should have known better.”

Shutting down the government is a GOOD idea. Leave only the departments of Defense & State then defund / abolish ALL of the rest of the insane federal bureaucracy. Let the individual states govern their own jurisdictions and continue voluntary cooperation on issues effecting ‘the neighboring state’ free of federal mandates.

Personally, as a senior and a 43+ year registered Democrat, I firmly believe that Schumer and Pelosi are two of the worst leaders that my party has ever had in Congress. President Trump is absolutely correct in that to achieve a secure border the WALL is needed now! So, all of the foolish, liberal-progressive-socialists in my party are 100% wrong in the debate as to whether or not the wall is needed. Frankly, if these crazy Democrats stay with this position, they have totally lost my support of the party, financially and for the party’s future candidates, period!

I think we need a real congress. Once the congress had to have a budget and show revenues vs expenditures and all that stuff not these CR’s where we simply add to the old and not worry about the details. The same can be said for many of our laws. They pass a law then set up or pass the law to an agency which writes regulations to enforce the law. But when you violate a regulation you get fined by the agency with no real recourse. Case in point is the tax court all the court has to determine is that there is a probability the citizen violate some tax regulation not the law or beyond a reasonable doubt. Time for congress to dismantle the agencies and actually work within the law.

anyone who has not seen the videos of the migrant “invaders” shooting guns, throwing large rocks (and bloody police who were hit by them) as well as the molotov cocktails, needs to see this before supporting “Nancy & Chuckie” in their opposition to building a wall. They have their own bodyguards and don’t care about the rest of us that have to put up with the crime waves associated with open borders and no vetting of who gets to come to the U.S.A.!

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