ACORN Speaks!

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If you believed John McCain and the Republican Party, you’d think that ACORN is a subversive, sinister organization specifically designed to allow Mickey Mouse (whom they have registered to vote) to systematically tear apart “the fabric of our Democracy”, strand by strand….

Nevermind that anyone who actually went to vote while representing themselves as Mickey Mouse would doubtless get caught, and also be committing a felony. I mean, come on….what’s a felony these days? Look at Ted Stevens! He’s got seven and he’s still running for the United States Senate with the blessing and support of the Alaska Republican Party!

Also, the GOP would like you to please pay no attention to the fact that John McCain himself was the keynote speaker at a 2006 rally cosponsored by ACORN. And don’t listen when he looks at the crowd of people wearing red ACORN t-shirts, “What makes America special is what’s in this room tonight.” That would just confuse you, dear voter.

Today, ACORN will be releasing its first TV ad, just so you can see how scary they are, and look at all their heinous democracy-fabric-ripping.

This week, ACORN will be on the offense in the media, for a change. With less than a week left until Election Day, they will try to dirve the media’s focus to protecting people’s right to vote, and exposing real cases of GOP voter suppression, while pushing forward with historic “Get Out the Vote” efforts. Voter fraud is a red herring. Voter suppression is a real threat.

I am hoping against hope that Obama will take his 30 minutes and blow all the McPain crap out of the water! McC’s financial support of the Palestinian guy; his dumping the 1st wife for adulterous Cindy; his ACORN ties as mentioned above; JTP being planted; his VP pick being as corrupt as Stevens. All BO really needs to do is compile “the best of Mudflats” – this site has been right on target the entire time – I’m soooo proud to be associated with all the Mudpuppies – even if only virtually!

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(07:14:45) :

McGrumpy’s ideology he gets from JFK..

Do onto others as they would do onto you, no matter how much you’re lying and having done the same things or worse you accuse the others of doing..

There is no rock mcgrumpy won’t turn to find dirt on obama. My guess is if he could blame his plane being shot down in Nam, he’d do it.

Regardless of how ACORN presents themselves, they are under investigation in a number of states, including pennsyltucky. There is a real issue about whether they flagged suspicious voter registration forms for the regulators prior to submitting same.

Frankly, there are several areas in which ACORN needs to change their way of doing business.

Nevertheless, to broadbrush Obama with the brush of fraud because he once represented ACORN is just plain ludicrous and as fraudulent as the act of putting Mickey Mouse onto the voter applications. Obama has had nothing to do with any of these applications.

Go Acorn! I’m so glad to hear that Acorn is getting the truth out there. The stories I’m hearing about voter suppression are scary. Everyone deserves to have their vote counted on election day without fear. This is America – not some third world puppet dictatorship/fraud of a democracy. The Repubs just seem to me like a party that has to cheat, lie and steal their way to victory. No wonder SP is so popular with their base.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(07:26:33) :

Wrangler.. i agree, it seems that the procedural issues surrounding elections for the past 2 cycles involved how the repugs manipulate the process.

i don’t think there’s ever been any instance of vote fraud brought up by dems.

Clearly, the Repugs have adopted a form of Nazism, where they suppress, lie, cheat, mislead and cause general fear and confusion to prevent people from voting. This is not what America is supposed to be about, but mcgrumpy is so insanely obsessed with winning, he doesn’t care what he has to do to win, even if it means cheating.

Oh – I hate her! In a campaign speech at Penn State last night she took issue, liberally, with Sen. Obama’s interpretation of the Warren Court. She has no freaking right to talk about the Supreme Court and interpretation of the Constitution when that Whack Job doesn’t even know what it states is the duties of the VP. Ugh!! I’m so Frustrated!!!!!!!!! Here’s a link to the story: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/28/palin_takes_issue_liberally_wi.html

I hate her! Please Alaska, I’m sorry, but take her back. Before I get more upset I’m going to turn my computer off. And go and do some laundry or something. UGH. Thank you Mudflats, for letting me get that off my chest. Find a happy place, find a happy place, find a happy place ……

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rf11 in FL(07:39:20) :

This may be a bit off topic.

The link below is to a column written about Palin’s lies. Her lies have struck me from the beginning, because even when she is outed (bridge to nowhere, plane sold on ebay, etc.), she continues to lie. And, she lies about things for which there is no obvious reason for her to lie – like the subject of this column, telling her children about running for VP.

Wouldn’t you know it. A new article while I was typing the copied below to the other thread. Noticed that some repost so here, for your enjoyment is what I posted before:

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Went to Michele Obama’s rally at Centennial Hall in Colorado Springs yesterday. I live in the downtown area, beautiful old Victorian homes, many parks, and just 5 minutes away by car.

Started out at 4:00 PM (scheduled for 4:30) Walked with a friend, stopped for my free Taco and a Pepsi at Taco Bell (someone hit a home run in the series and that was their promo), and continued a few blocks to the Hall. First time ever at one of these events.

Boy! A LOT of people. The line stretched across the street from the Hall and around the block (4 of ‘em) back to the beginning and then across to the other steeet. The Hall holds 2500.

Got in line and at about 5:00 PM found myself just about to enter the Hall when they reached capacity and the overflow went to a parking lot where they had set up mics. Around 5:30 PM Michele came out to shake hands with the overflow group and say a few words before entering the Hall for her speech.

What did this say to me? Many good things about the organizational efforts and the volunteering efforts. The differences, that are FUNDAMENTAL between these two campaigns, spoke volumes.

There were the usual protesters, in small numbers, and about 4 McCain supporters. (Oh, so sad) There was a wonderful feeling of camaraderie, so many different people. Growing up and living in Hollywood, CA I would not have made this comment, it’s a given that there is a mix there. Here in beautiful CO the mix is not so prevalent.

The volunteers were up and down the line soliciting help and I am waiting for them to call me, said I would help with phones to Obama supporters getting the vote out in these last few days.

Also, putting the good white light out and over Barrack.

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(07:42:14) :

What WRANGLER said!

‘Cept I don’t really hate anybody – I just dislike immensly to the point of disgust.

Sarah the FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD! (Thanks K.O. for that!)

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(07:45:04) :

@Tired Mom (VA) (07:13:28) : ,

Obama is just not like that. He will be gracious and informative. You can’t get through to the idiots as it is…they are lost in a sea of hate and bigotry.

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caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin(07:46:17) :

reposted from last thread…
I think the repugs have the “chicken little mentality” THE SKY IS Falling! Part in respect to the buzzwords the repugs been throwing around, dangerous, socialist, ACORN, and because of their extreme fundy right wing, whack-jobbiness, religious BS ie “Rapture” “End times” and the fact that this is Historical, a Black (half white) man leading the country out of the abyss! Their small minds cannot grasp “change” so they run and scream the “sky is falling”
I think many of them are going to feel very folish come Nov. 5 when the sky doesn’t fall. And I am also hoping something major will surface about Grifter Bible spice, and McLame. And also as another Mudpuppy said above, the ones that are not such whack jobs, are outright “greedy” and only out for themselves. If anyone has seen the movie “Sicko” Micheal Moore asked many people in EU/FR who were making more $ if they minded paying more taxes(for the universal health care) and all of them felt obliged even happy to help their fellow man! Such a change from the greedy idiots here…”I’ve worked hard for what I have and don’t want to share it…”
Very un-evolved mentally/emotionally,spiritually.
These are the people that stand around and watch as someone is beat up or killed…and do nothing…:(
And I also am puzzled how they can be “right to life” yet “pro-war” “pro-bombing”abortion clinics? And since when is abortion a platform to run a campaign on? It should be a personal issue for every woman to decide not a mandate yes or no. Churches need to stay out of politics…period!
I am so glad not all of the people of the US like this… only a small percent. 😦

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rf11 in FL(07:46:46) :

Wrangler, I feel your pain!

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(07:47:46) :

yikes.. new voters 69% -23% for obama.

wonder if that’s going to be one of the main differences.

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rf11 in FL(07:49:22) :

Great news for us! We’re going to Ft. Lauderdale this afternoon for a rally, with both Obama and Biden! Can’t wait! We’re taking our 11 and 7 year old daughters so they can be a part of this amazing chapter of American history!

Sorry – I don’t usually ever hate any one, but she just is so over the top! I just read the link about the lies she told re:being chosen VP and how she told the girls. And yes, Keith O was right on last night “Sarah the FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD”

I feel like I need a 12 step program. “Hi my name is Wrangler Tractor and I can’t stand Sarah Palin.”

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rf11 in FL(07:52:05) :

@Marty
wonder if that’s going to be one of the main differences
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I think it will be – if we can just get them all to vote. I worry that the idea that the election is over and Obama has won will hurt our GOTV efforts.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(07:52:32) :

If we had Heroes type powers, i’d want the one where he scalps them and use their brains for analysis to find out how they think.

🙂

But seriously, McGrumpy has been spewing ugly since he began. Obama has talked about issues and fixing things. That’s the biggest difference between them.

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Aussie Puck Mule Hussein(07:55:13) :

Goshdarnit, there are so many rallies and I can’t go to a single one 😦

Had a loooooong conversation with my DSS last night about the degree to which both sides are exhibiting fear. While I truly believe that our fear (of another stolen election, the prospect of SP becoming VP and even POTUS, etc.) is rational fear while the fear of the “other” on their side is irrational, could it be that they view their fear as rational and ours as irrational? We feel safe here on the Flats to give voice to our fears, but once the election is over, our nation has a lot of healing to do to become “one United States of America” again. And we who share Barack’s vision will need to be the footsoldiers in that quest. He’s going to have a lot to handle. The quest to heal the divisions will of necessity be left to us.

I invite you to read some of DSS’s blog at http://intelligentbydesign.wordpress.com and also to talk me (and him) down about how we might be able to open a dialog with those on the other side. They are so fearful in their hate and bigotry.

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rf11 in FL(07:57:07) :

Wrangler, I’ll join you: “Hi my name is rf11 and I can’t stand Sarah Palin. As much as I love my fellow Mudflatters who are Alaskans, I want them to take Palin back and make sure that we never see her on the national scene again.”

(Okay, I would agree to a job on Fox News – just no serious political office.)

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(07:58:22) :

Wrangler Tractor in VA (07:49:50) :

I feel like I need a 12 step program. “Hi my name is Wrangler Tractor and I can’t stand Sarah Palin.”
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Ooooohhhh, that can be seminar at our Mudflats Convention next summer in AK!

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biscuitmom(07:59:08) :

Every time Sarah Palin says “Constitution”, a kitten dies.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(07:59:47) :

RF11.. i disagree, THIS YEAR. I think college kids are incredibly well informed and see what we see and that it’s essential everyone votes.

Truthfully, when Gore and Kerry ran, i had no interest in following the elections. When the Bush family defrauded America and stole the election, then Swiftboat caused Kerry to fail, I kind of lost faith in the process. But they were at best marginal candidates who had no ability to inspire people or make us want to get involved.

This year, it’s very different. EVERYONE wants to help, get out and help, so many make donations, and the passion is there and this year, i think we’ll find huge turnouts on both sides. The Repugs want to win, or get it so close it ends up in court to decide. They can use their vote fraud machine and the Surpremes to steal the election if it’s close. We have to vote and make sure the results are just so overwhelming, there can be bo argument about a questionable votes.

What scares me is the vote distraction techniques to prevent people to vote, or in rural areas that are hard to get around making the polls so far from areas that many can’t vote due to obstacles. My feeling is in Dem controlled states, they make it as fair and easy as possible to vote. Sadly, the same isn’t true in GOP states.

But this year, the numbers will be huge. And I am confident all the McGrumpy stream of lies will end in failure.

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Tired Mom (VA)(08:00:04) :

Goalie Sanka Palin in NM (07:45:04) :

Yeah I know our guy is better than that … but I just want people to know how much out and out lying has been taking place. One of the best things about this election has been the CNN fact check thing, where you can read the speech and click on the item to find out if it is true or not … virtually everything mcc says is false or misleading… it just buns my chops

Speaking of GOP states, has anyone else noticed that Mississippi has gone pink on the EV map??

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(08:07:04) :

From the Jed Report:

“If you’re sick and tired of John McCain’s non-stop stream of lies about Barack Obama’s tax plan, this video can help you put an end to it. Please send it to friends, family, or anyone else who you think could use it.”

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Karen(08:07:05) :

I’m getting nervous as the clock ticks down. I’d like to see a strong push back against all the socialist b.s. Keith Olberman’s campaign comment last night was great and tonight’s rally with Bill Clinton would be the perfect venue to reveal Palin’s very own socialist agenda.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/olbermann-sarah-palin-is_n_138765.html
Every word that Bill says will be covered over and over by the media. What better way to hammer this in.
I also really hope Obama’s TV spot tonight goes over well and doesn’t backfire. Derisive comments are already being made such as on Morning Joe yesterday when it was compared to a Communist takeover of the airwaves.

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Aussie Puck Mule Hussein(08:08:30) :

Mary Landrieu is cruising to an easy re-election over Democrat-turned-Republican John Kennedy in Louisiana, 53% to 34%. Karl Rove was the one who convinced Kennedy to switch parties and challenge Landrieu. The plan appears to have failed. 😀

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A Fan From Chicago(08:09:06) :

Goalie Sanka and Wrangler Tractor–

I have the opposite problem. I can’t get enough of her. Can’t take my eyes off of her for fear I’ll miss the next stupid thing she does or says.

I said weeks ago that I was going to start the Chicago Chapter of “Sarahanon” to help wean me off this horrible addiction. It’s been taking a serious toll on my life and my work in the past two months.

@ caligirl
As one who lives on the other end of the same valley, one of the problems we’re up against is that so much of the other side tuly believes the solution is for the churches to be even more involved in politics. Their followers deny that there should be a separation. They belive that God has everything to do with politics and that the framers just knew that we wouldn’t survive long as a nation without being governed by “godly principles.”

I’ve been struck by the fear that seems to motivate them. I’m wondering if part of the deal is that their experience is one of being talked to, not listened to. I don’t know if I could stand to listen to the hatred and bigotry part, and every fiber in my being wants to try to talk them down and tell them how wrong they are. But I keep thinking about a book I read about Gandhi’s approach to non-violent conflict resolution — find the common ground first, that part of the other person’s truth that you share, and build on that. I do know that when I’ve tried it, it works. It’s part of what Steve Covey talks about in his 7 Habits, albeit expressed differently.

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rf11 in FL(08:11:22) :

Marty, I agree with you that Obama has inspired young people and people of all ages who have not been likely to vote in the past.

I am savoring every moment of this week, with the polls clearly in our direction, but I still worry that some first time voters will not be as motivated to go out and vote if they think Obama has won.

I don’t worry about young people so much, because I think Obama himself and the historic nature of this election, are motivating for them. It’s really other first time voters, particularly adults who have not voted in the past, about whom I worry the most. The Obama ground game should take care of them, thankfully.

I’m trying to stay calm, but I will continue to worry until the election results are final. I’m still shellshocked from what happened in FL in 2000.

McCain’s camp is now making an issue of the LA Times having a tape of Obama and Khalidi. See, I’m just nervous. As Rachel would say, “Talk me down!”

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(08:11:25) :

Tired Mom (VA) (08:00:04) :

Do you know what is the link to the CNN FactCheck? Thanks!

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portland oregon native(08:12:56) :

I realize I am biased, but it seems to me that ALL the Dems/Obama/Biden need to do for the next 6 days is just quote McLame/Pain in the @$$.
Their own words or lack there of (inthe case of S/P are damning enough.
The really tighty righties will never be convinced. JTP is a classic example.
I wonder if he is a paid opperative?

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sauer kraut(08:14:11) :

When Palin finally loses next week, I want to be first in the “Kick Sarah Palin in the arse and tell her to go home” line. I can only stand so much stupid. I have absolutely no tolerance for a 44-y.o. governor who acts like a jr. high girl.

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sauer kraut(08:15:19) :

biscuitmom – that would explain the dead kitten outside on my deck this morning.

poor thing.

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Sparky(08:17:16) :

Jamie, Floridian in France (02:30:01) :
4000 people came out for Joe Biden in Ocala Fla yesterday (ocliberal?) and 2100 in Melbourne, Fla (I know at least one who was there, maybe more, gonna ask).
Not bad!

antsy (04:25:23) :
@Jamie, Floridian in France
Good morning all. We are leaving soon to see Joe Biden in Jupiter this morning. They received so many RSVPs they moved the event to Roger Dean Stadium. Will report back.

Thanks Jamie and antsy: Antsy, yes, please give us an update. Many of us think highly of Joe Biden.

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Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago(08:17:36) :

Good morning muddies…

OK folks the Repugs have tried to convince you that ACORN is everything evil.

I read this comment above “they are under investigation in a number of states, including pennsyltucky”.

It should read “”they are under investigation BECAUSE OF POWERFUL REPUBLICANS in a number of states, including pennsyltucky”

Repugs fired US Attorneys for NOT pursuing their illegitimate VOTER FRAUD cases just like the ones they started again this year.

From McClatchy, Washington on July 1, 2007
WASHINGTON — A New Mexico lawyer who pressed to oust U.S. Attorney David Iglesias was an officer of a nonprofit group that aided Republican candidates in 2006 by pushing for tougher voter identification laws.

Iglesias, who was one of nine U.S. attorneys the administration fired last year, said that Albuquerque lawyer Patrick Rogers pressured him several times to bring voter fraud prosecutions where little evidence existed. Iglesias believes that he was fired in part because he failed to pursue such cases.

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THIS IS EXACTLY HOW SCUM REPUGS DISENFRANCISE LOW INCOME CITY FOLK FROM VOTING. THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN, NOTHING NEW.

16 years ago, BARACK represented ACORN in a VOTER RIGHTS CASE AS AN ATTORNEY (Chicago Sun-Times, 8/11/92) many lawyers did.

Thank you Barack for standing up AGAINST a repug governor and his machine back in 1992 !!! Oh and he was probably paid $15. in attorney fee’s if that.

Take all of us mudpup’s with you today in spirit. He was here in NM Sat. and I couldn’t go.

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Great idea! Maybe I should make a sign that has something about Mudflats on it. Speaking of signs, have you ever noticed the creative signs at the Obama/anti-Palin rallies in Alaska?

I nominate Alaskans as #1for political signs. Any ideas, Mudpuppies?

Awww, the poor Repug pundit on MSNBC thinks the American people are being oversaturated with Obama and that we’re sick of Obama. Poor guy. Does he really believe this or just trying to come up with something to say on TV?

@ MoreLight than Heat
While I truly believe that our fear (of another stolen election, the prospect of SP becoming VP and even POTUS, etc.) is rational fear while the fear of the “other” on their side is irrational, could it be that they view their fear as rational and ours as irrational?

Yes, that IS part of the problem. I wish I had copied the very excellent article that I read about a month ago in the Chronicle of Higher Education about how the right wing contingent truly feels that the left “doesn’t get it.” What’s so striking is that a lot of fears, on both sides, are rational. What the author doesn’t address, though, is how some of the rightwingers use that rational fear to whip up a frenzy or really stupid and irrational fear that is in no way productive. If I can track down that article, I will. Could take a while, though.

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Aussie Puck Mule Hussein(08:18:58) :

Palin, Biden in Pennsylvania on Thursday, Friday

WILLIAMSPORT, Pa. (AP) — Vice presidential candidates Joe Biden and Sarah Palin will return to Pennsylvania as the campaign winds toward its last weekend before the election.

Republican Palin will be in Erie on Thursday afternoon, and she and Democratic rival Biden will both be in Williamsport for separate appearances later in the day.

After Williamsport, Biden travels to Allentown for an evening rally, while Palin heads south to York for an afternoon event Friday. Palin is also scheduled to stop in Latrobe on Friday evening.

I am glad to see ACORN stand up on their hind legs and fight back, however limited that effort may be. I hate to see anybody scapegoated like that.

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rf11 in FL(08:27:02) :

Here’s some interesting news from last night. Charlie Crist, our Republican Governor, has extended the hours of early voting, from 7am to 7 pm. Unbelievable!!!

One high level Republican said Crist had just given Florida to Obama! (GOP. Not. Happy.)

On another note, our former Governor, Jeb Bush, had the nerve to make this joke: “What the heck. We’re in Florida. Vote early and vote OFTEN!” What an arrogant ___! After his and Katherine Harris’ roles in stealing the election in 2000, I can’t believe he can even joke about it.

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Julie Arizona(08:30:02) :

I know we are all concerned about how the election will play out, but if this is any indication, I think we should take heart. I live in N. Arizona and have been working for the Obama campaign. The McCain presence is practically nil here. I have experienced almost no negative reaction when I called about Obama. I am almost positive this part of AZ will go for Obama and also elect a Democratic congressperson. Reports are that the McCain presence in other parts of the state is very limited, also.

This doesn’t mean that AZ will go Democratic, simply because there are so many old folks in Sun City and Phoenix who are fearful of something different, but I think it will be a whole lot closer than any one would have guessed.

What does it say about a candidate that can barely carry his own state?

sauer kraut:
I hope you do find the article. I feel very neglectful that I didn’t keep or bookmark it or something.

I am envisioning SP addressing a crowd of folks that includes a HUGE contingent of nicely dressed lady-types, wearing Sarah Palin masks! I’ve got a really nice cutout SP mask that I will utilize discretely on Friday (NOT at work)

have to add that the article about SP bashing Obama’s comments about the SCOTUS in 2001 only showed me his intelligent and thoughtful reflections about the role of the court and makes me wonder if she realizes that nobody gets to “rewrite” the Constitution? Constitutional amendments are extremely hard to pass, as anyone who was in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment will easily recall…
but maybe she hasn’t heard of that one?

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rf11 in FL(08:34:54) :

bPoint (08:25:57) :

It is so difficult to imagine the nerve of SP to open her mouth and spew about reform and cleaning up Washington, while she is cleaning out Alaska and the RNC.

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Isn’t that the truth! I look at it this way. If McCain hadn’t made such a dumb choice, this woman may have been bilking our brethren in Alaska for years to come! Now that she’s been exposed, they can make her accountable.

As Kurt Vonnegut basically said in so many words, by the conduct of the people on this planet there is no evidence whatsoever that there is a God, but we can be hopeful. Certainly the conduct in recent years by the Republican Party’s divisive Rovian politics, Christian fundamentalist hacks that demonize everyone else on Earth, and Muslim fundamentalists filled with white hot hatred for other people it appears this viewpoint is validated now more than ever.

Your “God” is reflected in how you treat others. Elizabeth Dole is just another victim of the mindset of the Republican right wing talk radio industrial strength Kool Aid. Hopefully the petty. narrow, and vicious mind numbing continuous Republican Mental Jonestown of the last eight years will END this coming Tuesday BIG TIME in crushing, MIND NUMBING TOTAL DEFEAT for the entire Republican Party and Caribou Barbie will be on her way to becoming Ice Floe Barbie.

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rf11 in FL(08:37:37) :

He’s heading north. My stomach is hurting.

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BigPete(08:38:55) :

The long lines at the polls in Florida, are due in part to restrictions that were put in place recently, by the local Repugs in order to save money. We are spending ten billion dollars per month on the “Freedom Agenda”….guess we have to save wherever we can.

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sauer kraut(08:39:00) :

SC Strike Chipper – when Palin comes to York, I hope the laid-off Harley Davidson (American) workers are out in force. 700 last I heard. But BAE (British) will probably have their crews out in force to show support.

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Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago(08:40:42) :

Karen (08:07:05) :
I also really hope Obama’s TV spot tonight goes over well and doesn’t backfire. Derisive comments are already being made such as on Morning Joe yesterday when it was compared to a Communist takeover of the airwaves.
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Karen we need to remind Morning Jag that it was Texas billionaire H. Ross Perot an Independent that ran the first 30 minute spot when he was running against Clinton.

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rf11 in FL(08:43:59) :

@Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago

Morning Joe yesterday when it was compared to a Communist takeover of the airwaves.

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Joe has been unbearable for a while now. I can’t stand to watch his show anymore, even though I do enjoy a lot of the guests.

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Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska(08:46:49) :

That’s not the only thing ACORN is now doing. In NM, they’re suing the state GOP party for voter intimidation. Those GOP’ers actually had people showing up at the homes of voters (hispanic) and scaring the crap out of them. Apparently, 92 latino voters registered through ACORN had their records looked into and released to the press by the GOP in that state in attempts at voter intimidation.

Speaking of Perot – is he still alive? Has he made any political statemens this election? Isn’t he the one who paid for the Carol McCain’s surgeries while McLame was a PoW? Also, I read somewhere that Nancy Reagan refused to invite McLame to the White House for his treatment of Carol and even gave Carol a job in her office.

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Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago(08:47:05) :

rf11 in FL (08:43:59) :
Agreed, for a while he was being OK then he drank the kool-aid.

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portland oregon native(08:49:34) :

That Elizabeth Dole ad made my stomach ache. I thought she was better than that…guess not.
Desperation does strange things to people, but this stuff is just nuts!

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Halcrow(08:51:32) :

rf11 in FL (08:11:22) :

Marty, I agree with you that Obama has inspired young people and people of all ages who have not been likely to vote in the past.

Perhaps the greatest contributuion that Obama/Biden will make to the future of America is that they motivated America’s youth to go out and vote.

Young people will bear a disproportionate portion of the burden left to America by George W Bush:

They have been killed and maimed in Bush’s forays into Iraq and Afghanistan

They have been saddled with huge, crushing college costs

They have been priced out of so much of the housing market

They will be saddled with paying for the future bailout costs tied into the meltdown of the housing market…which they neither caused nor benefitted from.

They will have to support the retirees who have had their retirement savings wiped out.

They will inherit America’s debt, and will be paying for it until they, themselves, shuffle off this mortal coil.

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JaneE(08:54:02) :

SC strike chipper:
[snip]
have to add that the article about SP bashing Obama’s comments about the SCOTUS in 2001 only showed me his intelligent and thoughtful reflections about the role of the court and makes me wonder if she realizes that nobody gets to “rewrite” the Constitution? Constitutional amendments are extremely hard to pass, as anyone who was in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment will easily recall…
but maybe she hasn’t heard of that one?
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ROTHFLMAO!

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Karen(08:55:35) :

I had to give up watching Morning Joe also – I was afraid my head might explode. I only saw the Communist comment because a video was posted on Huffington Post (I think). I’ve had to turn the TV off altogether – I just can’t take the slander and negative remarks.

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Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago(08:56:10) :

portland oregon native (08:49:34) :

That Elizabeth Dole ad made my stomach ache. I thought she was better than that…guess not.
Desperation does strange things to people, but this stuff is just nuts!
– – – – – ————

“Trickery and treachery are the practices of fools that have not the wits enought to be honest”
Benjamin Franklin

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Living in Texas - Can't see Alaska(08:57:37) :

After Palin tossed Sr. McCain advisor, Nicole Wallace off her plane and blamed her for wardrobe-gate, Palin called Wallace to make nice.

He’s got so many variations of his name that it’s doubtful if even he knows who he is for sure.

However, I’m pretty sure that there will be some serious digging going on to find out more about him, lol.

29102008

rf11 in FL(08:58:31) :

Halcrow, great post! Ed Rollins wrote a column about the Bush/Rove ambitions:

An excerpt:
“The biggest shadow of course is that of President Bush. Our 43rd president’s goal in life was to surpass his father, 41, whom he admired but felt was weak.

Guided by his political guru, Karl Rove, it was Bush II’s ambition to make the Republican Party the majority party for decades to come. He and Karl wanted to create a political realignment that would marginalize Democrats for at least a generation and maybe more.

Not satisfied to change only American politics, Bush and his neo-con advisers, led by Dick Cheney, wanted to use American military might to spread democracy to places that had been led only by tribal councils and ruthless dictators.

If Bush had accomplished these goals, he truly would have been a historic president much like his newfound hero Harry Truman. But his failures were unimaginable. W will go down in history, all right.”

Halcrow, great post! I recently read an interesting commentary by Ed Rollins about Bush.

“The biggest shadow of course is that of President Bush. Our 43rd president’s goal in life was to surpass his father, 41, whom he admired but felt was weak.

Guided by his political guru, Karl Rove, it was Bush II’s ambition to make the Republican Party the majority party for decades to come. He and Karl wanted to create a political realignment that would marginalize Democrats for at least a generation and maybe more.

Not satisfied to change only American politics, Bush and his neo-con advisers, led by Dick Cheney, wanted to use American military might to spread democracy to places that had been led only by tribal councils and ruthless dictators.

If Bush had accomplished these goals, he truly would have been a historic president much like his newfound hero Harry Truman. But his failures were unimaginable. W will go down in history, all right.”

“…The words of a ten-year old boy, Ali, who plays basketball at my centre in Manchester (www.amaechibasketball.com), England ring in my ear as I write this. He came up to me the other day, asking about America and the elections in general, then he looked into my eyes and asked “…do you think Americans will hate me less if Barack wins?”

Three thousand miles from Washington, DC a little boy who loves basketball, thinks America hates him.

There is the Bush/Cheney legacy. This is the foreshadowing of a McCain/Palin Presidency. It is time for change.

John Amaechi is a multi-faceted speaker, commentator, and best selling author in the US and UK.

thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/10/europeans-are-rooting-for-obam-001280.php (put http:// in front of the link)

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rf11 in FL(09:05:15) :

John McCain is now claiming that the race has tightened in the battleground states. Really? I must have missed that.

This appears to be another one of those McLame/Pallin facts. You know, like that she was cleared of any *hint* of unethical or illegal behavior in Troopergate.

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Aussie Puck Mule Hussein(09:05:22) :

US groups warn of moves to deny Obama victory

CBS News reported this week that there is so far no indication of widespread voter suppression in states where balloting is permitted to take place weeks in advance of Election Day. Based on surveys it conducted in 17 of those states, the US television network found that charges of vote fraud or vote suppression “are far more rhetoric than reality.”

Some voting-rights activists have also warned that the machines used to count ballots at thousands of polling places are vulnerable to “hacking.” Computer experts could rig these machines to record inaccurate vote totals, these monitors say.

Even if broadly conducted and highly effectively, vote suppression and hacking of voting machines would probably not alter the outcome of this year’s presidential election. Nearly all reputable polls show Senator Obama with a substantial lead that may be impossible to erase through such tactics.

@ Julie Arizona,
This doesn’t mean that AZ will go Democratic, simply because there are so many old folks in Sun City and Phoenix who are fearful of something different, but I think it will be a whole lot closer than any one would have guessed.
***********************

My 82 year old mom is in Sun City. She voted for Obama (after ALWAYS voting Repug). You would be surprised at how many old gals are behind him.

Julie, AZ is pink now….it could happen. Thanks BTW for working hard for our man!

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Jamie, Floridian in France(09:08:52) :

@rf11 in Fl :

“On another note, our former Governor, Jeb Bush, had the nerve to make this joke: “What the heck. We’re in Florida. Vote early and vote OFTEN!” What an arrogant ___! After his and Katherine Harris’ roles in stealing the election in 2000, I can’t believe he can even joke about it.”

—
Don’t you remember the scandal concerning Jeb’s wife. Took a vacation to Paris then on her way back she passed through customs with nothing to declare. Then when she got to passport control and handed the guy her passport -oops! – receipts for clothing and jewelry bought in Paris totalling over $20,000 fell out of her passports. Stuff that she should have declared! And the idiot had the receipts stuffed into her passport!!! Those repugs!

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Epic(09:12:06) :

I have to be out of the house and on my way to work by 5am GMT on Wednesday 5th. This equates to midnight EST Tuesday 4th in th US and I would appreciate a decision by then so I don’t have to drive to work in a state of nervous agitation, presenting a danger to all around me.

Could you guys do this for me? Please? Won’t you think of the children?
and random wandering kittys?

I’m fortunate in that most of my family and friends are voting for Obama. Not my sister though, and even though I’ve been trying to dispel the lies she uses to support her rather awful opinion of Obama, I don’t know what to do with this quote she sent me today (sorry for reprinting such ridiculous spew here):

You have to pinch yourself – a Marxist radical who all his life
has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshiped with, befriended,
endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically
promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white
racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former
terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President
of the United States.

And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.

– Melanie Philips, The Spectator ( UK ) 10/14/08

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Big Al from Las Vegas(09:20:52) :

This ACORN ad is ‘da bomb! Do we know how they plan to air the ad? I imagine it will go into the battle ground states. I hope BET airs it for FREE. And, I hope they translate it into Spanish with a Latino storyline and that Univision and Telemundo air it for FREE! If Gov Bill Richardson could get that on and reveal that he is a relative of both former L.A. Dodgers pitcher Fernando Valenzuela and former boxing world champion Roberto Duran … I will endorse him for Secretary of State. 🙂

Republican Voter Suppression efforts freak me out like no tomorrow. That is why I am calling in sick on Election Day to volunteer my 14 hours as a poll worker. The Election Department actually tried to say they had enough volunteers when I called 2 weeks ago. I said, “yeah, but you don’t have enough Spanish-speaking volunteers, now do you?” So, I got my poll position.

There’s an interesting link between Perot and McLame. While McLame was in Vietnam, his first wife, Carol, was severely and permanently injured in a car accident. She didn’t want to burden McLame, so she didn’t send him word of her accident. However, she had medical complications and financial hardships as a result.

I’ve read that Perot paid over $100,000 in medical bills for Carol McCain.

“When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

There’s an interesting link between Perot and McLame. While McLame was in Vietnam, his first wife, Carol, was severely and permanently injured in a car accident. She didn’t want to burden McLame, so she didn’t send him word of her accident. However, she had medical complications and financial hardships as a result.

I’ve read that Perot paid over $100,000 in medical bills for Carol McCain.

“When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

I doubt that Perot was impressed when McWeasel came home and starting cheating on and then dumped Carol for young 24 year old Cindy. The Reagans weren’t impressed, either. Nancy Reagan hired Carol to work in her White House office after John dumped her.

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(09:26:18) :

Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin (08:46:58) :

Speaking of Perot – is he still alive? Has he made any political statemens this election? Isn’t he the one who paid for the Carol McCain’s surgeries while McLame was a PoW? Also, I read somewhere that Nancy Reagan refused to invite McLame to the White House for his treatment of Carol and even gave Carol a job in her office.

When Ross Perot Calls…
The former presidential candidate blasts John McCain, and gets an education about Barack Obama’s religion.

I don’t mean to be like that newspaper in New Mexico that declared Barack Obama the victor a week early. But, I do feel a lot better about things after hearing Barack’s stump speech in Raleigh, NC today on CNN.

Today in NC, Obama appealed to Independents like me in the most direct way imaginable. He took the absurd and turned the absurd on its head and made it comical. In response to allegations by the Republicans that he is a communist, Obama said, “what are they going to say next? that i am a communist because i shared a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with a classmate when i was in Kindergarten.”

There’s an interesting link between Perot and McLame. While McLame was in Vietnam, his first wife, Carol, was severely and permanently injured in a car accident. She didn’t want to burden McLame, so she didn’t send him word of her accident. However, she had medical complications and financial hardships as a result.

I’ve read that Perot paid over $100,000 in medical bills for Carol McCain.

“When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

I don’t think Perot was too impressed when McWeasel got home and starting cheating on and then dumped Carol. The Reagan’s weren’t impressed, either. Nancy hired Carol to work in her White House office after McLame dumped her.

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caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin(09:28:37) :

More Light Than Heat (08:09:09) :
“““““““““`
The problem is finding common ground when they are such extreme thinking?
Churches in politics?
I know its always said… “do not discuss, politics or religion” and its because these people have NO boundaries when it comes to this, they INSIST they are right, and everyone else is fundamentally wrong…:(

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(09:28:57) :

Someone asked about Ross Perot and this election. My first post didn’t work.

Send your sister to factcheck.org and tell her you will see her/talk with her after the 4th, you are too busy to deal with lies right now. ??

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(09:30:48) :

LA (09:14:19) :

Thanks for the link to the Newsweek article – I sure don’t understand why McCain’s family called Perot to help w/Carol’s medical care – I thought McCain’s father was an Admiral – no money in that job to help your daughter in law? Geez! And I think it’s horribly sad if there were PoW’s still over there and McRotten covered it up.

The article was from earlier this year – wonder if Perot will vote Obama??!!

Uhm, I voted for Obama yesterday. Who are you, again? And I guess you haven’t read my blog entries for the last few years either… Please exercise a little restraint before labeling someone a “stealth troll” in the future.

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(09:32:41) :

I was trying to post the Newsweek article, but for some reason my posts seem to be going in outerspace now when I copy and paste links or other comments.

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(09:33:34) :

I don’t think Perot is going to vote for Obama. I just don’t see it, of course it would be nice.

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Big Al from Las Vegas(09:33:46) :

More Light Than Heat (08:09:09) :

Let the church discuss politics so long as the preacher is committed to boycotting tithes.

Interesting story, a Alaskan has filed against her. How does one go about this? Maybe we should all sign a petition and file against her regarding “house-gate”?
Or is this guy part of Alaskan’s for Ethic’s? Or Alaskan’s for Truth? I say if anyone can file against her, well we should all jump in and file away 😉

“When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

@Grammy,
Several weeks ago they was a story on HuffPO ( I think) about Carol McCain. She is a lovely lady and was so loyal while he was a POW.
Also the first story of the Rolling Stone articles about McWeasel had a lot to say about how he treated her when he came back.
And Yes, they were very close to Ron and Nancy. When he dumped Carol for the “rich one” Nancy froze him out. He was never invited back to the White House.
I had to laugh when on the Debate he mentioned Nancy after she had been injured after falling…she hates him. Good ‘Ole McWeasel…never one to miss a trick.

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rf11 in FL(09:44:36) :

Grammy, Lol!

“Citizens A-ra-ust! Citizens A-ra-ust!”

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(09:45:04) :

LA

He is definitely a weasel. I don’t know how he or Caribou Barbie can even go out in public much less speak to voters. Gag me.

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Shikago aka Chief Hussein Shikago(09:46:16) :

rf11 in FL (09:38:56) :
Let’sGetReal for “That One” (09:32:41) :
but my posts are also going into the outerbanks!

From AKM:
Q: Why is it that sometimes my comments don’t appear?
A: My spam filter is hypervigilant and looking out for the best interest of the group. It has saved us all from thousands of viagra ads, links to online gambling, Japanese stuff, and things I cannot describe in polite company. However, sometimes it will think that you, dear reader, are spam. I cannot always explain why this happens, but I offer the following insight and suggestions.

Once you are thrown into the spam queue, your post will sit there until I come save it. I usually try to do this twice a day, but spammers are relentless and make it difficult to keep up sometimes.

“Alaska Governor and Republican Vice President hopeful Sarah Palin may be facing another round of scrutiny, this time for charging the state for her children to travel with her while conducing official state business.

CBS News has obtained a copy of the complaint that Frank Gwartney, a retired lineman in Anchorage filed last Friday, with Alaska’s Attorney General, Talis Colber in Juneau. “Palin ran on the platform of ethics, transparency and anti-corruption. I’m tired of the hypocrisy that exists in Government and people need to know the truth,” said Gwartney.

The complaint against Governor Palin, alleges Misuse of Official Position: “Gov. Palin attempted to and in fact did use her official position for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits for her daughters…” All the allegations contained in the complaint are related to state reimbursed travel.”

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bPoint(09:46:58) :

rf11 in FL (08:34:54) :
It is so difficult to imagine the nerve of SP to open her mouth and spew about reform and cleaning up Washington, while she is cleaning out Alaska and the RNC.

_____________________________________________________________________

Isn’t that the truth! I look at it this way. If McCain hadn’t made such a dumb choice, this woman may have been bilking our brethren in Alaska for years to come! Now that she’s been exposed, they can make her accountable.

Show us the various e-mails hidden from the citizens!!! We know you have SP, and we are coming for each and everyone of the little e-vidences of your hubris.

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Epic(09:46:58) :

Ennealogic (09:31:30)

Thanks. but when someone opens with “Oh’ look at the dreadful stuff I’ve been sent!” and then posts, verbatim, a three month old anti Obama rant, it usually is a troll. Why did you feel we needed to see the full text?

And I’ll exercise the amount of restraint I feel to be appropriate within AKM’s rules

@mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage – thanks, you’re right… if she wanted to fact check, she could do that. Unfortunately, I picture her plugging her ears with her fingers and saying, “nyah nyah blah blah I can’t hear you..” I am just sending her hugs and good vibes and I have already promised myself to keep in closer touch with her outside of the political season. 🙂

@Big Al from Las Vegas – thank you for the lightness!

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rf11 in FL(09:47:45) :

Thanks, ShiKago. It was probably the source of the link I was trying to post!

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(09:51:13) :

rf11 in FL

I love that episode – Barney flailing his arms around and screeching at Gomer to stop –

I wonder if you have to be an AK resident to file an ethics complaint against the Gov – even if you do, what would happen if lots and lots of people actually did? I wonder how you go about filing one – and who decides the outcome?

Need a legal beagle to dig up info on this!!

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mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage(09:51:40) :

Ennealogic (09:18:34) :
I have a brother, sister-in-law and step-mom who would NEVER listen to my
point of view if it differed from their repug beliefs. Would think we had been
raised with similar values, but. alas…..
Keep caring…
Go, team!

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Epic(09:52:21) :

Ennealogic (09:47:22)

Apologies for getting it wrong. I’m probably supersensitised to trolls at this point

@Epic (09:46:58)
The quote was 2 weeks old, not 3 months, and I had no link, my sister sent it in a forwarded e-mail.

Please do not be afraid, we here all share both the outrageous as well as the heartwarming. I seriously doubt our fellow posters will be swayed or shaken.

And if you’d like to continue the conversation, let’s do it in PMs over at The Mudflats forum so we don’t clog AKMs blog. My member name there is the same as here.

Thanks!

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MJC(10:00:18) :

Let’s Put An End To McCain’s Lies About Obama’s Tax Cut Plan

**McCain LIES out of BOTH sides of his mouth!

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lovethecountry(10:00:37) :

Anybody know a way of seeing this 30 minute address online?

I dont have cable so I am not sure how else can I get this?

Thanks

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(10:01:57) :

MJC

That is ugly and scary – I expect it to continue now through Tues, though, and just hope that it doesn’t get uglier after Obama wins.

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Big Al from Las Vegas(10:02:06) :

Ennealogic & Epic,

Glad to see you two are working this out. For a second there I thought I was going to have to dust off my old “Conflict Resolution” handbook so i could help mediate the “who you calling a troll?” situation.

Peace Rules!

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Road Runner(10:02:56) :

Here’s to understanding Palin oh-12 body language. You can actually recognize the traits in SP oh-12.

@lovethecountry (10:00:37) :
Check your TV guide. I’m here in Ca and 2 networks have it listed . One at 7PM and one at 8PM…Ohhhh I can watch it twice.

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(10:05:17) :

When is the Personnel Board decision coming out? Any updates on Petumenos’ investigation??

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Hope(10:05:22) :

Wrangler Tractor in VA (07:31:50) :

I hate her! Please Alaska, I’m sorry, but take her back.

**************

I don’t write often, but I read almost everything here on Mudflats, and I’m glad for the good info and thoughtful reflection. It has been a HUGE part of my life since you-know-when, and I appreciate it more than I can say! It’s kept me sane as well as in-the-know, and it’s also kind of made me less sane, as addictions will often do.

I’d like those of you who do read others’ comments to consider the statement above and think just for a second about it and how it may be perceived by us Alaskans. I hear this sentiment several times on every thread, and every time I consider – fairly seriously -either writing to mention it, or finding an information source that doesn’t use this mantra. But I love Mudflats, so I just grin and bear it.

But it must be too close to the election, and today I’m just not up for ignoring it. It isn’t we in Alaska who will be taking her back. YOU may send her back, and that’s the two-edged sword. WE didn’t send her to you, and WE don’t have the power to take her back. And we don’t want her. If you’ve been reading this blog as long and as thoroughly as I have for these past – what has it been? YEARS??! – you know that there are MANY MANY MANY of us who didn’t even want her in the first place, and now even less! We’ll be stuck with her again, Heaven willing, after Tuesday, but I ALWAYS feel, when people say this, “please take her back,” as if you think we have had any more say in this thing than you have! Or we will have any more say about defeating her, and thus saddling ourselves, again, with her oppressive lying self. Or that we WANT her!

We’ve been weathering the cold, our angry neighbors, our own jobs and families, our personal demons, and putting our time and reputations and friendships on the line to do what we can to get the word out about who she is and what she’s done and who WE are voting for, just like everyone else on this blog and elsewhere around the world! In the process of this election we have been as activated as we have ever been in trying to get involved and get the truth out. We did not send her to you, and we cannot get her to come back. And we don’t want her back. So, “I’m sorry,” but please stop telling us to take her back. And that’s in quotes, because I’m not sorry to ask you to stop telling us to take her back. The apology just isn’t working. Maybe if we could all try to speak a little more plainly, and say what is true, with some thought behind it when it comes to things that matter, we wouldn’t be in such a sorrowful, painful and harrowing position in our nation or in our world. (This request is the size of a gnat to the elephant of the problem, but I’m just sayin…)

That isn’t YOUR fault, Wrangler Tractor, and I don’t mean this for YOU. It’s just a “joke” that’s not funny to me, because I like the feeling that we’re all working together to keep her out of the white house, and it isn’t our fault, or yours, that she’s where she is right now. There’s nothing “in the water” or anything else that makes it so we’re cursed with the people now splattered all over the world’s news for all manner of disgusting human frailties. I know this isn’t worth the time it’s taken for you to read it, if you have, but I somehow felt the need to let you know how these kinds of negative references to Alaska effect one Alaskan who’s doing her best.

I AM really sorry for ranting!

What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy? -Ursula K. Le Guin, author (b. 1929)

HOPE!

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A Fan From Chicago(10:06:00) :

lovethecountry–

NBC and CBS are airing the Obama talk tonight. Maybe it’ll be on FOX and MSNBC web sites but the two broadcast networks are carrying it.

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NY Dem(10:06:57) :

Ditto here for Morning Joe too – Scarborough is nothing but a Republican hack that should be working at Fox News, not MSNBC.

When Mika talks, I listen, when Joe talks, I hit the mute button.

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Road Runner(10:08:30) :

Lovethecountry, it will be on CBS and NBC, but not on ABC. Also on cable channels.

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ira2(10:10:58) :

Off topic (as usual) and carried over from the last thread:

I went to the mudflats store last night for a bit of self-torture… hope nobody saw me yell “WANT WANT WANT!!!!!” and “NO I CAN’T, NOW SHADDAP!” It was quite a scene.

AKM, great selection!! And I just adore the doggie bowls :o) That you have items for pets too goes SO well with the Alaskan rally pictures!

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katiebegood(10:11:20) :

A Fan From Chicago (10:06:00) :
lovethecountry–
NBC and CBS are airing the Obama talk tonight. Maybe it’ll be on FOX and MSNBC web sites but the two broadcast networks are carrying it.

It is being broadcast on MSNBC in the time slot that Countdown usually occurs. Please watch it on MSNBC to reward them for all the good work they do.

Oh my, my…the hatetrain express is coming seriously unglued…these people are desperate and coming unhinged! Thank god the two Obama people were not hurt.
And what’s with this?
“Not thirty seconds later, John McCain drove by in his SUV and waved at Garcia on the sidewalk, who was happily waving his Obama sign. ”
????
They want to talk “Dangerous”….They are the “dangerous” People!
Why are they allowed to act hateful and threatening?
Some of the stuff said at other rallies is on CAMERA! Why isn’t something being done about these people? They have made threats on camera, to OBAMA and his supporters? Why is this being allowed???

29102008

madmatriarch(10:17:23) :

When will all the votes from early voting be counted? Are they considered absentee voting and counted much later than November 4? In other words, might it be that we will not know who the winner is until later in November?

@lovethecountry
Here is a link for MSNBC to stream on the computer http://channelsurfing.net/.
Try it out before the program to see if it works. I’m running Vista and it won’t let it thru.

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ira2(10:18:34) :

@ Hope (10:05:22) :

Mea culpa :o( I’ve written things like that before too, non-thinking and all. I’m sorry.

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avahome(10:20:12) :

I don’t know if any of you all read thehill.com (seems to lean GOP)
but you get a lot of insight when you pay attention to what the other side is thinking…. Now that said evidentally Mitch McConnell(Senate Minority Leader….and chief shit disturber) is in a very tough race in KY….so he’s been pressured McConnell calls on Stevens to resign This is a big deal……as Stevens is now toxic.
BTW, AKM….terrific commentary!

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(10:21:37) :

Just got this in the mail.

Texas Supreme Court overturns jury verdicts 82% of the time and rules with insurance interests 87% of the time.

The Repulican court protect millionaire donor Bob Perry. When retirees Bob and Jane Cull sued Perry Homes, they were originally awarded $800,000. The Texas Supreme Court overturned the ruling in favor of Perry Homes, leaving the Culls with nothing. Bob Perry, the millionaire owner of Perry Homes, and his family have donated more than $300,000 to the nine republican justices on the Supreme Court.

I know you two have worked things out, but my impression was that Ennealogic (09:31:30) was just trying to get some advice on how to deal with that type of e-mail from the sister. It’s not a new thing to do on this blog; lots of others have asked for advice on how to counter the ugliness we get from others.

I understand sensitivity to trolls though! They give me a rash and hives…

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mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage(10:24:34) :

I have felt the same way, Hope….. thanks for expressing it. Am sure those who use it are frustrated, but tis true, we never asked for her in the first place and it behooves all of America to find a place to hide her after President-to-be-Obama wins.

“Let’s Put An End To McCain’s Lies About Obama’s Tax Plan
If you’re sick and tired of John McCain’s non-stop stream of lies about Barack Obama’s tax plan, this video can help you put an end to it. Please send it to friends, family, or anyone else who you think could use it.”

@ Hope
Thank you for your perspective. It’s easy for us down here in the rest of America to forget how few of you there are up in AK and how much you’ve risked in bringing out the truth about SP.

@ Crust
Thank you for the great link to the conservative Christian argument for Barack. Reading the post and then the tone of MOST of the comments gives me hope that we can in fact heal this country. There are people of good will everywhere, despite what we see and hear coming from the crowds who attend McCain and Palin’s rallies.

@ Goalie
My 87 yo MIL lives in SCW. She’s a life-long Dem. We’ve been talking to her gently for months, and all she can say is that Barack lacks experience. She was a HRC supporter. We know that to be a way for her to deny the real reasons. I love her dearly, but she is who she is. Last we knew she wasn’t going to vote for McCain. She thinks he hasn’t done enough for AZ — i.e., not brought enough pork home. LOL. So she says she just won’t vote for Pres. We tried again post-Palin nod, but it was pretty apparent she didn’t want to discuss. So we’re hoping for half a loaf — better than a vote for McCain!

rf11- which rally are you going to today? Is it the 4:30 at bankatlantic or is there another later tonight?

From last thread- I just loaded up on all my Mudparaphernalia! We will be walking the streets of Miami Beach proudly displaying “Mudflats…tiptoeing through….”. I can’t wait for the questions!

ps- loved the McRally at the lumberyard. Only a hundred or so according to local news. Gee, I wonder how many will be coming to see Joe and Obama today? hehe

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Kim in Florida(10:31:20) :

Woooo Hoooo! Hubby and I are going to the Obama rally in Sarasota, Florida tomorrow to hear and see our future President in the flesh! My Republican boss gave me the day off even though he is having fits about his guy losing. LOL! I love my boss, but he seems to think it will be the end of the world on Nov. 5. Unfortunately, my daughter cannot get off work. I will try to get some good pics for everyone 🙂

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BigPete(10:32:25) :

The fine folks of Mississippi who vote Republican, complained after hurricane Katrina, when ‘Smaller Government’ is exactly what they got. It makes sense then, that as Net recipients of Federal Monies (courtesy of America-haters in the blue states) they would then be up in arms about the prospect of a Socialist government!

A beloved Tlingit elder in our rural community passed away this weekend. Paul Wilson, Kadashan, embodied love, kindness, and compassion. He practiced his cultural traditions and always put his wife and family first.

Paul was a member of our Obama family. He came to the caucus on a cold, snowy evening last winter where with 77 folks (100 total) cast his primary vote for Obama and stated with a bit of awe. “All these people for Obama, I can’t believe it.”

There is a photo of Paul (that he gave me permission to post) illustrating the “Rural Alaskans for Obama” group on the my.barackobama.com site. In the photo, Paul is in his backyard stringing hooligan for the smokehouse. Hooligan (eulachon) are small smelt-like fish rich in healthy oil that return to many Alaskan rivers from their mostly ocean life for a few days each spring to renew their life cycles.

I chatted with Paul on the street just a week ago or so. He was still an Obama supporter, though his family and the local tribal community in not united in this. He also spoke of the place he loved above else, a beautiful valley above Skagway where he used to hunt goats. “When I win the lottery, we’ll fly over there and get a picture of that place so I can look at it when my mind starts drifting away,” he told me.

To have a look at Paul’s photo and to join the “Rural Alaskans for Obama” group (Muddies from all over the world welcome), here is the link.

Paul, I hope your spirit can feel the love surrounding your spirit coming back to ya.

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Lighthouse (Sport Grunt Hussein) CO(10:38:34) :

Kim:

My Republican boss actually conceded the election when I saw him at a wedding reception on October 11! He did so very graciously – especially considering the fact that he was quite drunk – but then he went on to tell me that he didn’t want to discuss the election again! And he hasn’t mentioned Sarah Palin once since then!

I think he’s able to realize that this is not the end of the world, but as a Republican from Texas, he’s not about to come right out and admit that the Republicans are, well… WRONG!

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rf11 in FL(10:39:03) :

mvngfwd (10:31:19) :

rf11- which rally are you going to today? Is it the 4:30 at bankatlantic or is there another later tonight?

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We’re leaving right now to go to the Bank Atlantic Center! Wish us luck!

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(10:39:04) :

Want a few chills? Imagine McGrumpy in the White House then watch/read..

rf11- Have fun!!! I have seen our new President (envisioning) a few times so I thought I would leave a seat for someone else today. Please give a cheer for me!

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Lighthouse (Sport Grunt Hussein) CO(10:43:30) :

Northern Exposure:

Thanks for that website link! I have always been fascinated by Alaska, and that fascination has certainly grown over the last two months.

I absolutely, positively cannot coax my email buddy from Anchorage into a political discussion, although I have tried several times, I have no idea what he’s thinking.

I appreciate your story about Paul so much, and I appreciate the viewpoints of all you Alaskans.

Just think, we would have missed out on soooooo much in the last two months if McCain had made a different VP choice! (Yep, my glass is always at least half full!)

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Tristan 57 (DKos)(10:43:42) :

I hate to go here but where’s Palin’s medical records…youse guys up there hiding em?

And, where they got Bristol holed up?? she must be lookin pretty prego by now.

just askin.

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C.Rock(10:43:55) :

:

@Epic (09:46:58) :

I know you two have worked things out, but my impression was that Ennealogic (09:31:30) was just trying to get some advice on how to deal with that type of e-mail from the sister. It’s not a new thing to do on this blog; lots of others have asked for advice on how to counter the ugliness we get from others.

……………………
You can Forward the emails to http://www.watchdog@barackobama.com They will help you find a way to handle them & if they have an argument with a reply.
This has helped me to handle smear emails about Obama.

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Kim in Florida(10:44:20) :

LOL Lighthouse! I work for a trial attorney; on the up side, he did say Palin is a joke!

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FAilure 2 Palinate(10:48:03) :

An economist on a morning show said today that “the new president’s first job will be to bring a sense of optimism to the country. If the new president can do that, he will be more than half way toward solving the current economic crisis.”

I seriously wonder at people who make fun of community out-reach organizations. And so many of these people consider themselves “good Christians” too. Funny, I kinda always though JC was a community out-reach kinda guy, ya know?

I’m really late to the party today (and since Uncle Ted’s conviction). I see SP finally tossed him under the bus. Typical. She tried to have it both ways, then found out that wouldn’t play.

What do y’all figure the odds are for a recall when she gets her butt back to ANC/JNU? Oy, can you imagine if she gets to appoint someone in Steven’s stead? Who the heck would she appoint, Todd?

“Gov. Palin was like, ‘Oh did Alice [Tina Fey’s 3-year-old daughter] go home? Oh, cause Bristol woulda babysat.’ She offered Bristol Palin to babysit Alice… And it was Bristol’s birthday, too. I was like yeah, that’s exactly what 17-year-old Bristol Palin wants to do at SNL is babysit the toddler of the lady that goofs on her mom… but they’re a nice family.”

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shoeho(10:57:10) :

Marty (VA) Hussein–Am I being overly cynical when I think those medical records will be released at about 0001 ET on 4 November?

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squee(10:57:18) :

The first post-Ted Stevens “guilty” verdict poll is in from Rasmussen, and it finds that Democrat Mark Begich now leads 52 to Stevens’ 44. But that’s not all:

Only 74% of Republicans say they will vote for the nominee of their party while 21% of GOP voters will cast their ballot for Begich, the mayor of Anchorage.

Fifty-two percent (52%) of Alaska voters say Stevens should resign while 39% disagree. Republican leaders including John McCain, his running mate Sarah Palin, the current governor of Alaska, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have all called upon Stevens to step down.

Oooh! I think it’s Dump on the Diva (or maybe we can call it Whack on the Wacko or to be nicer just call it “Pouring on Palin”) Day.

But besides Barack’s awesome “The Wink that wanted to by VP” ad.,

The Mighty Kos himself has a very nice diary going on Pg 1 right now over at Dailykos called, Palin Interrupted explaining how the only true ‘Share the Wealth’ socialist in the country right now is …… of course, Ms. Palin herself.

Over on the Recommended Diaries (to the right) another very nice diary entitled very simply, New Ethics Complaint Filed Against Palin detailing how a new ethics complaint was filed against the Mavericky-Reformer today …

The complaint against Governor Palin, alleges Misuse of Official Position: “Gov. Palin attempted to and in fact did use her official position for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits for her daughters…” All the allegations contained in the complaint are related to state reimbursed travel.

Good stuff everywhere!!!!

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CO Almost Native(10:59:23) :

Jane in the Springs:
Glad you got to see Michele Obama- I saw Barack in Denver with 99,000+ of my best friends, and it was awesome! Check out the Co Dem website, or Obama office web site in the Springs, and sign up for a shift. I didn’t wait for the call, and I’ll be helping on Tuesday in Arapahoe County.

madmatriach-
All ballots, mail-in or on machine, will be counted by Tuesday evening, unless there are glitches and then states will continue into Wednesday. Only the provisional are counted late- they have to check to make sure each is legit. I think some ballots are being counted now, but it depends on the state.

CNN just ran a piece that Princess Palin needs: shopping sites for bargain hunters:) AKM, can you pass this on to the gov? She should look at underground shopper and shopping genie; that way she won’t commit the political faux pas of paying $150,000 for another new wardrobe.

I’m glad to hear that religious groups are pushing for truth versus Repug lies- Anti-Defamation League has strongly denounced the lie that Obama is pro-Nazi (Florida mailer). Be careful Mudflatters, don’t step in the McSlime.

More Light Than Heat (10:28:05) :
Yes. I keep praying those ‘other’ Christians are just noisier that the sane ones.

Hope, thanks for that. I appreciate all y’all are doing up there to rein SP in.

Had to have my oil changed this morning. Waiting with an older couple and a 40ish woman, talk moves to politics (what was I thinking). They’re all for McCain (ugh!). I told them why I could not vote for SP. The 40ish woman who obviously believes everything that ends up in her inbox is the God’s truth, was going on about Obama’s birth certificate. I finally just flat out told her it wasn’t true and she needed to check the Snopes website. She won’t. Oh well.

Shovelin’ it in Cecily. The snow plow drivers do not like that Obama/Biden sign!!

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(11:02:42) :

OT: But why are they having the rally so late at night with Bill Clinton! With all the nuts out there, I’m kind of scared for Obama. Can someone tell me why I shouldn’t be a little scared? I’m also a little weiry of Clinton. Who’s idea was this?

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(11:03:10) :

@ Northern Exposure,

Thanks for that heartfelt rememberance of your friend. May he RIP. I’m sorry he won’t be here to celebrate with us next week.

Loved the quote you shared, says a lot about who he was just in that one sentence. One thing that seems to come through from all of the Alaskan folks like you is how much you love your land. I’m loving it too – just from the high desert!

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CO Almost Native(11:05:26) :

Marty (VA)

In CO Secretary of State Mike Coffman was sued by several (Dem) defendants over purging voters (somewhere between 14,000-30,000) too close to the election. It’s being heard in Fed court today- he says he’s following the laws, lawyers say he is ignoring fed regs. Two big CO counties have gone against his advice.

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shoeho(11:05:36) :

Northern Exposure. From your mouth…

Living here in the state of hanging chads, I’ve got to give props to Charlie Crist, our overly tanned, completely sorta in the closet R gov. He extended early voting from 8 hours a day to 12, and until Sunday 2 November. It was supposed to end on Saturday.

R pols told him he’d “just lost the state for McCain.” I didn’t vote for Charlie, but I admire his stand on this one. Everyone here knew that the early vote (especially in the cities where the delays/problems were) was going to BHO. NO ONE whatever their party should be afraid to let every vote count, if they want to call themselves one who believes in democracy.

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(11:07:32) :

Let’sGetReal for “That One” (11:02:42) :

OT: But why are they having the rally so late at night with Bill Clinton! With all the nuts out there, I’m kind of scared for Obama. Can someone tell me why I shouldn’t be a little scared? I’m also a little weiry of Clinton. Who’s idea was this?
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Try and not worry! The security is tight. Obama was in NM on Sat. (I could not go…) and he spoke after dark to 45,000 people plus. Bill Clinton made a campaign stop here at midnight once! I’m also sure that they are aware of all the nutsies and crazies out there. I know it’s really hard, because I’m constantly worried too – as we all are – but we have to trust and believe. I do!

I saw the fabulous “wink” ad that Obama Campaign has out – on the HufPo. Brilliant!

Bill and Barack are obviously in Orlando so late (11pm) so people can watch his tv program. I was wondering how the two could happen at the same time, but when I saw that the Orlando rally started at 11 pm, I understood.

All you who get to see him, you are all so lucky. some of us have to live the election through out computer screen(boo hoo).

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C.Rock(11:14:17) :

OT I pray every day for Obama’s safety. I will be praying my hardest on Election Night rally that is being held in a open Grant park in Chicago.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 10 Point Lead..:)(11:15:42) :

C. Rock.. don’t worry.. they have the park thing covered..

he’s going to give his speech in the Ironman Outfit..!

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phoebe(11:16:16) :

@Hope
Well said. I know how anxious it makes me feel to think of McCain/Palin in the White House so I’m sure it makes Alaskans easily as anxious to think of having Palin back as Governor. With the Ted Steven verdict in & I just saw on Huffington they are starting to investigate Sarah for ethics violations regarding her kids travel expenses. Hopefully, her political career will be curtailed. Thanks to AKM & you all for alerting the rest of us to her evil ways.

LA…
my vista allows channelsurfing.net. i wonder if it has something to do with settings?

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upnorthMN aka hose Hussein hotrod(11:36:56) :

@Hope–But it must be too close to the election, and today I’m just not up for ignoring it. It isn’t we in Alaska who will be taking her back. YOU may send her back, and that’s the two-edged sword. WE didn’t send her to you, and WE don’t have the power to take her back. And we don’t want her. If you’ve been reading this blog as long and as thoroughly as I have for these past – what has it been? YEARS??! – you know that there are MANY MANY MANY of us who didn’t even want her in the first place, and now even less! We’ll be stuck with her again, Heaven willing, after Tuesday, but I ALWAYS feel, when people say this, “please take her back,” as if you think we have had any more say in this thing than you have! Or we will have any more say about defeating her, and thus saddling ourselves, again, with her oppressive lying self. Or that we WANT her!
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very well said, Hope. I have to admit (and I’m not even from Alaska); the “take her back” stuff bothers me too, and for the same reasons…as if Alaskans are somehow responsible for McCain’s poor judgement. I can see how you might have had enough to be pressed to a point where you needed to say something. I do agree, that the good folks here probably don’t mean anything negative by it. But that’s what we always say…after the fact. Thanks for pointing out that we can all benefit from thinking through the implications of things before we say them rather than after. In a care bear world (my son’s phrase) we’d all do this all the time. In the real world we forget, or are too busy, or in a hurry, or whatever. I really appreciated your post. My two cents.

Strange. This woman does not write like a talented speechwriter. More like a slightly unhinged person of average writing abilities. And she never actually says she’ll vote for McCain, just that she doesn’t want to be a Democrat anymore…HuffPost does sometimes have rather misleading headlines.

I’m getting nervous as the clock ticks down. I’d like to see a strong push back against all the socialist b.s. Keith Olberman’s campaign comment last night was great and tonight’s rally with Bill Clinton would be the perfect venue to reveal Palin’s very own socialist agenda.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/olbermann-sarah-palin-is_n_138765.html
Every word that Bill says will be covered over and over by the media. What better way to hammer this in.
I also really hope Obama’s TV spot tonight goes over well and doesn’t backfire. Derisive comments are already being made such as on Morning Joe yesterday when it was compared to a Communist takeover of the airwaves.
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I don’t know what the Repubs are getting all so “Joe McCarthy” about! The full tilt communist RADS are running the PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF BAIL OUT WALL STREET! The Federal Reserve Politburo and the Bailout Comintern are printing money like it is 1917 on the outskirts of Moscow! Paulson originally wanted more Dictator Power over the economy that either Hitler or Stalin ever had when it came to issuing Reichmarks or Rubles. So why are THEY calling BO a communist? It’s down right quaint. Everyone on Wall Street should be wearing those little Mao hats. There hsould be a big banner of Che Guevara hanging over the entrance to EVERY ONE of the Core Nine Banks!

Wall Street is the ultimate COMMUNIST RED STATE now! Comrade George Bush has insured that! So why are these hacks getting all “mavericky” on BO?

@fawnskin hussein mudpuppy (11:36:01)
I think it might be a combo of AOL and Vista. I had an old system for many years and ran 98. But last year I finally broke down and bought a new system and now have DSL. I thought I had died and gone to heaven…its so much faster.
Its always been a problem. Not being the sharpest moose in the herd when it come to computer stuff…I just deal with it and when I get back to work I will hire a Tech to come over and see what they can do to make this work.

For anyone who’s worried about the seeming tightening of the national polls (I’m TRYING not to be worried myself, but at times it is hard to believe we are really gonna finally win this time), here’s a nice tidbit from Nate Silver at 538:

Here’s a fun little reality check for those of you who are sweating the trackers. Since our last update yesterday evening, I have added 34 polls to my database, including both state and national numbers. Barack Obama is ahead in 32 of those 34 polls. The two exceptions are in Arizona and Alaska, the home states of John McCain and his VP nominee, respectively.

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Deep Blue in VA(12:04:47) :

Hmmm – my last post disappeared. I think I might have just gotten tossed to spam for the first time! Oh well, at least I know I’m in good company…

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Jamie, Floridian in France(12:05:21) :

New thread posted muddies!

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Deep Blue in VA(12:06:09) :

For anyone getting nervous about what looks like tightening in the national poll numbers, here’s a good tidbit from Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com:

Here’s a fun little reality check for those of you who are sweating the trackers. Since our last update yesterday evening, I have added 34 polls to my database, including both state and national numbers. Barack Obama is ahead in 32 of those 34 polls. The two exceptions are in Arizona and Alaska, the home states of John McCain and his VP nominee, respectively.

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mmboucher (Florida)(12:07:22) :

Absentee ballots in Florida are counted when the polls are closed just like a regular vote, however someone on here the other day said they could turn in thier ballot at any pole, my absentee ballot said IT COULD NOT BE, it had to be mailed or turned in the election headquarters in our county! When Obama comes to Sarasota, Fl. tomorrow I wonder if Rachel will be here, she said she was coming to Florida to do an interview with him?

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Hope(12:08:35) :

Thank you all for your kind responses to my concerns. I really appreciate it!! You’re the best!

I’m sorry – I was having a moment and have felt safe to vent here on Mudflats. I lived in AK when she was running for Gov. and believe I didn’t vote for her then. I am so glad that there are so many brave Alaskans who continue to work to expose the fraud she is. Probably 90% of the people we were friends with and had to work with while living there were died in the wool Repubs who would vote for an elephant if it were on the ticket rather than an Democrat. We tended to keep our opinions very close to our vest while living there as it’s such a small community in so many ways. I can’t imagine how this election must be playing out in the personal relationships up there.

So, I know you all didn’t send her down here, and I know you never wanted her, let alone to have her come back! Please forgive my thoughtless rantings, and thank you for all you are doing in Alaska.

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Blue Girl from Virginia(12:21:53) :

suchanut, I know you probably still aren’t on here, but Acorn paid by the hour, not by each voter registration.

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Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon(12:42:03) :

Hope (10:05:22) :

WAY TO GO! I wrote a similar “admonishment” in a post a couple of weeks ago when the blog took on a nervous fervor, and lots of comments for Hillary to “go get her” and “Alaska, take her back”. I applaud you for speaking up! What I told posters was that no one was going to save them, for it’s up to them to save themselves and to do everything possible for their candidate, every day, in every way. I understand the horror these mudpuppies must feel about this fascist twit coming out of nowhere (AK wasn’t much on anyone’s map back then – oh so long ago!) but as you said, it’s up to ALL of us to stand in her way. I have put so much on the line to oppose this creepy shell of a human and to spread the word – I think I may have caused a little civil war in my own set of friends and family. That doesn’t matter, we will heal, but it had to be done and I won’t hesitate to do it again. Sorry to say – Dems have been lazy and whiny and wringing their hands for eight years – so get off your butts and keep an eye on your country FROM NOW ON. When Obama wins, this is just the beginning. You don’t get to go back to your soccer games, fireplaces, card games and breathe a sigh of relief that it will never happen again. As long as SP breathes, it could happen again and it’s up to ALL of us to make sure we shove her back down into the hole she crawled out of, and to not let her racist and vile actions & beliefs take hold. There, I said it, too!

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Maddie(12:42:07) :

OT but in case this hasn’t appeared here yet or on other threads:
DailyKos

Caught! Video proof of machine vote switch (update x4)
by qmastertoo
Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM PDT
“Jeff Waybright, the Jackson County Clerk in West Virginia welcomes everyone inside the Machine. He wanted to show that the Machines were not set to flip to McCain when voters hit the slot for Obama. He ended up showing that, at the end of the day, the machines are set up to flip to anything but Obama when you hit the Obama slot.”

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sauer kraut(13:04:17) :

In a pennsyltucky courtroom, a former Project Vote employee (PV is an affiliate of ACORN) testified that ACORN used Obama’s donator list.

Not sure how that’s important but… but… the former employee was fired for using the company credit card to pay for personal expenses.

I saw this video the other night ……… after seeing the WFTV interview with Biden
At 56 seconds into the Interview he says “We’re tampering with” then corrects himself and says Acorn is Tampering with Americas most precious right. http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html

Either it was just a mistake Which I hope since he must be under enormous pressure) or he just told America that the Republicans are tampering with votes yet are trying to pin it on Obama.

The interesting part is that
When someone says WE are they mean me and others
They are is the way when speaking about other people not including yourself or in this case your party(Republican)

Verrrrrrrry scary article telling us why the only safe ballot is a paper ballot!

It gives a detailed synopsis of an interview with Stephen Spoonamore, considered one of the nation’s top (if not *the* top) IT security specialists. You can view the entire video of the interview, but even just reading this article gives one reason to pause. This guy is a long-time Republican, yet he flatly states that Bush did not win in 2004.

Most importantly, at the end of the article, there are links so you can contact your legislators and demand paper ballots. Check it out.

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(14:06:28) :

It’s just past 6 pm eastern on 10/20 and the judge in the PA GOP’s case against ACORN has ruled against the GOP. No restraining order is to issue.

GOP’s move next.

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MD2K(06:37:08) :

One thing I saw ONLY mentioned in the Economist – ACORN had no choice. The law says that a group cannot “filter” voter applications and refuse to turn some in, since that would lead to groups grabbing everyone’s registration for them, then not registering anyone they think would vote for their opponent.

So even if the application is from Mickey Mouse, they must submit it to the government. Yes, they are stupid to keep employing people who just go through the phone book, since they are paid by the name. But, as Bill Maher pointed out on CNN with Wolf Blitzer – all they can do is divide them into piles -the good, the suspect and the ugly. They still have to turn in the form once it’s handed to them.

So, the whole consipiracy thing is a red herring. (Herring with lipstick?)