I don't know how I feel. I mean, stopping them from promoting homophobia is great and all, but looking at that website I got a bit of a sick feeling in my stomach. Its kind of like stooping to their level I suppose.

AMoonHawk saidWell you have to sort of give some cudos to the guy ... he's not saying that he is not gay, in fact, he is admitting that he is gay. He is saying the guy is not his bf or ever was, he indicates that he was just a trick ... so I'm not sure what he has done wrong here ... if anyone else knows this story better than I do, please explain

EDIT:But yes, I am for outing them if they have place themselves in the public eye to tear down the gay community.

I assume you're referring to Babeu. Time will tell if the deportation allegations are true but he chose to align himself with a political party who actively seeks to limit the rights and freedoms of gay people. He's gay. Sorry, I have no sympathy for his kind.

I have bigger and better things to do then to "out" someone even if provoked. They know that I know their dirty little secret and at any time I could pull a dick move and out them and make things hellish for them. They know this and if they don't then I'm fine with letting someone else pulling the trigger instead of me. It's not worth my time and I gain nothing from it.

At the end of the day I feel I'm above that and I don't get my jollies by having to correct someone in this particular fashion. I say let them live with their own demons. I don't need to add to their misery since they are doing a good job of that anyway.

I think a better use of time would be to figure out how to carve out a centrist or centre right party from fiscally conservative factions of the Democratic Party, and socially moderate/libertarian factions of the GOP and let other two major parties spin off into the far fringes.

uoft23 saidI don't know how I feel. I mean, stopping them from promoting homophobia is great and all, but looking at that website I got a bit of a sick feeling in my stomach. Its kind of like stooping to their level I suppose.

I agree with you, but I know exactly how I feel. The practice of "outing" people to me just wreaks of vindictive, spiteful, mean-spirited and so much more. I get that gays seem to think they can justify this practice for all sorts of reasons, but it's still stooping to a level that I think no one should feel good about.

In the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

long as they vote Democrat, you will forgive them for anything, even murder. But if they put country before dick, there is just no forgiveness, love, nothing! Just hatful revenge, spit, contempt; next you will be torturing their animals, just to get off.

If the homophobe wants to be in the closet, let him. I'm pretty sure that living a lie is torturous enough. Eventually they'll choose one of 2 paths:1) They'll come to their senses and start to support their own community.2) They'll die alone.

Either or... it's not our duty to out them, nor is it our job to see them punished.

CuriousJockAZ saidIn the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

Disagree. He's supporting a politic party that wants to keep him a second class citizen, deny him equal rights, and use who he is as a rallying cry to whip bigots into a frenzy so they'll vote.

TrueBlueAussie said long as they vote Democrat, you will forgive them for anything, even murder. But if they put country before dick, their is just no forgiveness, love nothing! Just hatful revenge, spit, contempt; next you will be torturing their animals, just to get off.

Oh loo what you forgave Ted Kennedy for! He even left her for dead.

Lord, you need to lay off the Kool Aid. Put country before dick? I find it hilarious that all these racist Republican bigots are screaming bloody murder about the Mexican border when the Canadian border is far less secure. But no one cares, right? A terrorist would never think of getting into Canada and crossing into the US that way, right? And drug traffickers certainly avoid Canada too. Everything is white and pure and good up there. No need for a fence!

These border warriors like Babeu are the new KKK. They hate brown people (unless they're banging one, and even then its probably a grudge f*ck). I have yet to see a Mexican take a low paying, sh*t job from an American. Racism, racism, racism. Sigh.

CuriousJockAZ saidIn the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

Disagree. He's supporting a politic party that wants to keep him a second class citizen, deny him equal rights, and use who he is as a rallying cry to whip bigots into a frenzy so they'll vote.

NEWSFLASH: Lots of gay Republicans out there. Doesn't make them self-loathing, homophobic, or anti-gay. I would sure as hell rather have a gay sheriff who is willing to take a stand for gay rights from within the Republican Party than some redneck who would never do that. True change will come from within. The Democrats can't bring about real change when it comes to equality on their own --- or maybe they're just not willing to --- so they will need Republican support. Gays should not be so quick to throw someone under the bus just because they are Republican --- they might actually be someone who could actually help the cause.

CuriousJockAZ saidIn the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

Disagree. He's supporting a politic party that wants to keep him a second class citizen, deny him equal rights, and use who he is as a rallying cry to whip bigots into a frenzy so they'll vote.

NEWSFLASH: Lots of gay Republicans out there. Doesn't make them self-loathing, homophobic, or anti-gay. I would sure as hell rather have a gay sheriff who is willing to take a stand for gay rights from within the Republican Party than some redneck who would never do that. True change will come from within. The Democrats can't bring about real change when it comes to equality on their own --- or maybe they're just not willing to --- so they will need Republican support.

Agreed. But this gay sheriff is only taking a stand because he's been forced to, because he's been outed. Before that he was supporting the hateful status quo, maybe not directly, but by his silence. And yes, there are a lot of gay Republicans out there, people who put greed and brown boogie men before equality and respect. Nice.

If the homophobe wants to be in the closet, let him. I'm pretty sure that living a lie is torturous enough. Eventually they'll choose one of 2 paths:1) They'll come to their senses and start to support their own community.2) They'll die alone.

Either or... it's not our duty to out them, nor is it our job to see them punished.

While this is a good thought which I agree with and should be followed, it is limited in its view.

There is a significant issue that you don't address: When someone is in a position of power (government, etc.) that can and actively threatens my livelihood, the quality of my life, my right to legal protections, my equality with the general population, my pursuit of happiness, my safety as a human being, or literally my life, then I believe they can and should be outed. That level of hypocrisy is selfish, self-righteous, and self perpetuating.

I do not believe that anyone should profit from the oppression of others, particularly those who oppress without compassion or sympathy in order to hide their connection to the oppressed group (gays) with the other oppressors.

I'm not sure that I would go so far as to proscribe punishment (even though, on a primitive level it may give me a little schadenfreude), but being forced to live by the rules that they created should be a sufficient eye opener.

Agreed. But this gay sheriff is only taking a stand because he's been forced to, because he's been outed.

He was not "outed" because HE WAS ALREADY OUT!!!! What part of that are people not getting? We don't need more gay Democrats, what we need is more Gay Republicans who will fight the fight from within. Of course, gays won't let that happen. They'll throw someone like a Paul Babeu under the bus, having only half the facts and part of the story, who actually may have been a strong advocate from within. It's very sad actually. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.

Agreed. But this gay sheriff is only taking a stand because he's been forced to, because he's been outed.

He was not "outed" because HE WAS ALREADY OUT!!!! What part of that are people not getting? We don't need more gay Democrats, what we need is more Gay Republicans who will fight the fight from within. Of course, gays won't let that happen. They'll throw someone like a Paul Babeu under the bus, having only half the facts and part of the story, who actually may have been a strong advocate from within. It's very sad actually. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.

I'll admit, I didn't know anything about him before this story broke, so I'm not questioning your account. However, was he out or did people just sort of, hush hush, know? Was he actively working to make things better for gay people? Or was he standing - silently - with the bigots who say we shouldn't have the right to marry, shouldn't be treated as equal, shouldn't be treated with respect?

At this point, if you, as a gay person, align yourself with the Republican party, you are choosing a party that uses you as a political wedge, that doesn't give a sh*t about you, about your relationship, about your family, about your rights. All this talk about change from within is nice, but I haven't seen it. In fact, I see the opposite coming from the Republican party. They are becoming more hateful and less inclusive.

I don't think we need more gay Democrats OR Republicans. We need our citizens to open their eyes and realize that both sides are bought and sold by Goldman Sachs and these idiotic "social issues" that the Republican machine feeds upon are simply designed to divide and distract us while the corporate powers that be do whatever they damn well please.

uoft23 saidI don't know how I feel. I mean, stopping them from promoting homophobia is great and all, but looking at that website I got a bit of a sick feeling in my stomach. Its kind of like stooping to their level I suppose.

I agree with you, but I know exactly how I feel. The practice of "outing" people to me just wreaks of vindictive, spiteful, mean-spirited and so much more. I get that gays seem to think they can justify this practice for all sorts of reasons, but it's still stooping to a level that I think no one should feel good about.

In the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

The GAY COP is gay. He tried to hide behind a STR8 facade and got busted. Not to mention he abused his authority. Let him run his congressional race as a GAY conservative and see how far the hypocrite gets!

Agreed. But this gay sheriff is only taking a stand because he's been forced to, because he's been outed.

He was not "outed" because HE WAS ALREADY OUT!!!! What part of that are people not getting? We don't need more gay Democrats, what we need is more Gay Republicans who will fight the fight from within. Of course, gays won't let that happen. They'll throw someone like a Paul Babeu under the bus, having only half the facts and part of the story, who actually may have been a strong advocate from within. It's very sad actually. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.

TropicalMark saidIt comes down to this:Paul Babeu made bedfellows with another man, while making bedfellows in some of the biggest anti-gay names in the business in order to achieve political ambitions.

Sorry, but I'll take em down everytime! I dont 'pander' my convictions/values for ANYONE or ANYTHING.

I'm pretty sure this guy wants to sound PC by saying he is for gay marriage blah blah blah but honestly I don't think he really cares about it for himself. I bet he never plans on getting married, he seems to have flings/hookups with random men. Whether or not it was a secret or that he was always out as being gay doesn't matter. I think his politics revolve more around how things will benefit him as an individual, and since getting married isn't one of those things that is high on his to do list just means that he is going to vote or align himself with candidates who will get him the most bang for his buck. I'm sure whether or not gay marriage passes is not something he is worried about. If it passes, I bet he'd still be single if it doesn't I am pretty sure it wont hurt his feelings.

Do I think outing him was a good thing, well I don't know. Sounds like it was no secret that he was out. But now that its made a little more public he is going to have all these LGBT groups up his ass for aligning himself with a party who doesn't support LGBT rights. Rights he probably feels he doesn't need. Of course I doubt he'd say that publicly, especially now.

Besides if he was always out then this media attention he is getting should be a cake walk. If its no secret that he was gay to his fellow party members and local community, then being gay on a national scale should be no big deal. I doubt he'll be hit with questions he wasn't already hit with within his party (if he was out already).

So what I think is, meh, since he was already out (according to some) then this is pretty much a non-issue. Its no secret that there are gay Republicans.

Claystation saidI'm pretty sure this guy wants to sound PC by saying he is for gay marriage blah blah blah but honestly I don't think he really cares about it for himself. I bet he never plans on getting married, he seems to have flings/hookups with random men. Whether or not it was a secret or that he was always out as being gay doesn't matter. I think his politics revolve more around how things will benefit him as an individual, and since getting married isn't one of those things that is high on his to do list just means that he is going to vote or align himself with candidates who will get him the most bang for his buck. I'm sure whether or not gay marriage passes is not something he is worried about. If it passes, I bet he'd still be single if it doesn't I am pretty sure it wont hurt his feelings.

Do I think outing him was a good thing, well I don't know. Sounds like it was no secret that he was out. But now that its made a little more public he is going to have all these LGBT groups up his ass for aligning himself with a party who doesn't support LGBT rights. Rights he probably feels he doesn't need. Of course I doubt he'd say that publicly, especially now.

Besides if he was always out then this media attention he is getting should be a cake walk. If its no secret that he was gay to his fellow party members and local community, then being gay on a national scale should be no big deal. I doubt he'll be hit with questions he wasn't already hit with within his party (if he was out already).

So what I think is, meh, since he was already out (according to some) then this is pretty much a non-issue. Its no secret that there are gay Republicans.

Dont believe anything CJ says. CJ says he was out which means CJ prolly wanted to get in his pants. The general public didnt know as evidenced by the GOP telling him to get out of the congressional race.