Sorry about disabling copy/paste, but there's a scan below. If the "him" Whedon referred to isn't Thanos, then I could imagine Kang. I'm just not sure they'd wanna introduce time-travel in The Avengers 2 (if they don't already plan to in GOTG).

Yeah they can probably merchandise them as SW and QS, Marvel should have the merchandising rights for them. It's not like they would even be called SW and QS in the film even if they could use their superhero names. It just wouldn't fit in the MCU unless they're SHIELD agents, which would be all kinds of wrong anyway.

"I'm very excited about the villain, and I have a lot to say about him."

So thank GOD we can ditch the Masters of Evil discussion until at least TA3.

Time to restore some normalcy to all this and revert to the obvious: Thanos is still the bad guy for TA2, same as he's always been. So decrees Thanos.

Your presuming having one primary villain prevents there from being others. And the Masters of Evil has almost *never* been a team of peers and equals, its usually one guy leading them, and a lot of followers.

Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

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Your presuming having one primary villain prevents there from being others. And the Masters of Evil has almost *never* been a team of peers and equals, its usually one guy leading them, and a lot of followers.

MoE aren't happening, I don't even understand why people want it so bad, it's a bad idea with where we are right now. That said, it's pretty clear Thanos won't be the main villain either, Joss has already said this.

I'm still putting my bets on the villains being the High Evolutionary and The Other.

Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

If they start off as villains, maybe they bring their code names over from there, or maybe they get code names from the press covering their crimes. There are multiple ways to go about it that don't involve them being SHIELD agents.

Yes, Singer very well could've written QS into the script long, long ago. But our assumptions that he *didn't* are based on some very all-over-the-place casting decisions, Tweets and photos, and other character rumors that make DOFP sound very haphazard, play-it-by-ear. The fact that Singer chose to insert a little dig at Marvel Studios by saying "...*before* he was an Avenger" makes it sound like he's being an instigator here.

I don't follow your logic on the "all over the place casting decisions" part. If the casting has been done in a "play it by ear" manner, wouldn't that (supposed) lack of coordination - and not some malicious intent on Singer's part - account for the late announcement of Peters' casting? In other words, isn't there an equally plausible explanation for the late casting, i.e. that Fox is uncoordinated?

I also didn't read the "before he was an Avenger" thing as a dig when I read it. It wasn't until I saw all the hysteria around here that I saw the potential "dig." Maybe Singer tweeted something because he was excited and later regretted the phrasing. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence in the social media age. Maybe he thought it was cool that both he and Joss were going to get to take a crack at the character.

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It's just very, very hard to believe Singer when he says that Quicksilver is absolutely essential to the plot of a very famous storyline where Quicksilver wasn't, you know, essential to the plot.

I don't get this either. For one thing, I don't think he ever said anything about anything being "absolutely essential." I must have missed that part. But QS is an X-Men character as well as an Avengers character, so Singer & Co. don't need any heightened justification to include him. So what if he's not "absolutely essential"? They have the legal right to use him and they want to use him.

Second, the whole "not essential to the comics plot" thing is also confusing. DOFP is, what 3 issues long? And like one issue takes place in the dystopian future. If he was limited to that, the movie would be like 8 minutes long. Of course he's going to add plot and characters.

When it comes down to it, I think there's a fundamental disagreement about who has the "right" to use the characters. There's a camp that thinks Joss/Marvel somehow gained the exclusive right to use the character because Joss announced a general intention to use the twins. I don't see the merit to that argument.

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Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

MoE aren't happening, I don't even understand why people want it so bad, it's a bad idea with where we are right now. That said, it's pretty clear Thanos won't be the main villain either, Joss has already said this.

I'm still putting my bets on the villains being the High Evolutionary and The Other.

You're saying that they will go that left field and have the High Evolutionary and The Other as the villains? I don't know about that, man.

Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

MoE aren't happening, I don't even understand why people want it so bad, it's a bad idea with where we are right now. That said, it's pretty clear Thanos won't be the main villain either, Joss has already said this.

I'm still putting my bets on the villains being the High Evolutionary and The Other.

Yeah I'm thinking High Evolutionary is going to be the main Villian too. I can see the Maximoffs being brainwashed and eventually being rescued and joining the Avengers

You're saying that they will go that left field and have the High Evolutionary and The Other as the villains? I don't know about that, man.

Well The Other is Thanos' henchman and was in the first Avengers movie, so that wouldn't be from left field. As for the High Evolutionary, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to introduce a new villain that is tied to The Other. Not saying it's going to happen, but I think it more likely than MoE.

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Yeah I'm thinking High Evolutionary is going to be the main Villian too. I can see the Maximoffs being brainwashed and eventually being rescued and joining the Avengers

My only concern there is Hawkeye comparisons. I'd rather they just be misguided youths who come to realize the people they're working for are the real bad guys, like in the comics. Unless you meant indoctrinated and not literally brainwashed, then yeah, I agree.

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The actor playing Quicksilver,would he be too old for either time periods anyway?

You mean Evan Peters? We don't know, it's highly unlikely he will be cast in both anyway. If the SHH report is true then Joss is looking for young Euro actors for the roles so being too old would be a problem with how young they're supposedly going to be portraying them in A2.

Well The Other is Thanos' henchman and was in the first Avengers movie, so that wouldn't be from left field. As for the High Evolutionary, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to introduce a new villain that is tied to The Other. Not saying it's going to happen, but I think it more likely than MoE.

My only concern there is Hawkeye comparisons. I'd rather they just be misguided youths who come to realize the people they're working for are the real bad guys, like in the comics. Unless you meant indoctrinated and not literally brainwashed, then yeah, I agree.

You mean Evan Peters? We don't know, it's highly unlikely he will be cast in both anyway. If the SHH report is true then Joss is looking for young Euro actors for the roles so being too old would be a problem with how young they're supposedly going to be portraying them in A2.

Well if they're raised at Wundagore, they wouldn't be brainwashed. lol

Well The Other is Thanos' henchman and was in the first Avengers movie, so that wouldn't be from left field. As for the High Evolutionary, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to introduce a new villain that is tied to The Other. Not saying it's going to happen, but I think it more likely than MoE.

Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

How about they decide to call themselves that? I mean, I can totally see Pietro just deciding to call himself Quicksilver because he likes to show off and tout himself to people.

Wanda's a little more humble, but I can see The Scarlet Witch be a thing people call her. If they keep a villainous or quasi-villainous backstory for them, that makes sense as a nickname for this mysterious lady who'd show up and **** people up with her mind powers.

Yeah but look at the situation. They're all government sanctioned names besides Iron Man, and that's because he was technically a vigilante and that's what the public came up for him. I can't think of a situation where the Maximoffs would be given superhero names sans them being SHIELD agents or related to the government somehow, which like I said, is all kinds of wrong and shouldn't happen.

MoE aren't happening, I don't even understand why people want it so bad, it's a bad idea with where we are right now. That said, it's pretty clear Thanos won't be the main villain either, Joss has already said this.

I'm still putting my bets on the villains being the High Evolutionary and The Other.

You don't know that. I see some ways it can work. But irrelevant. There is in incredible amount of bias leading to the interpretation of Joss' words.

He said "there will be villains"...now he says "villain" and "he".

After he mentions the one villain, what makes that claim anymore valid than his first? Both were said by the director, and IF one of them is a lie (which I doubt) it can be either one. There is NOTHING that suggests one is anymore less valid than the other. Except the bias towards the dislike of the masters of evil. Which really isn't valid.

Whedon said multiple villains, people assume a team...whedon says a villain...then all the bias kicks in and people who don't like the idea of MoE are saying, well, this means theres no masters of evil. It really doesn't though, not at all.

all that aside..there is NO WAY the first 3 avengers movie are cosmic villains.

You don't know that. I see some ways it can work. But irrelevant. There is in incredible amount of bias leading to the interpretation of Joss' words.

He said "there will be villains"...now he says "villain" and "he".

After he mentions the one villain, what makes that claim anymore valid than his first? Both were said by the director, and IF one of them is a lie (which I doubt) it can be either one. There is NOTHING that suggests one is anymore less valid than the other. Except the bias towards the dislike of the masters of evil. Which really isn't valid.

Whedon said multiple villains, people assume a team...whedon says a villain...then all the bias kicks in and people who don't like the idea of MoE are saying, well, this means theres no masters of evil. It really doesn't though, not at all.

all that aside..there is NO WAY the first 3 avengers movie are cosmic villains.

They could all be cosmic. The Avengers are known for dealing with a wide variety of threats, but cosmic level threats have been their forte at times. There's even a Moon Knight comic where he basically states his place in the Marvel Universe and says, "Invasion of alien vessels? That's what the Avengers are for."

MoE aren't happening, I don't even understand why people want it so bad, it's a bad idea with where we are right now. That said, it's pretty clear Thanos won't be the main villain either, Joss has already said this.

When did Joss say that?

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I don't follow your logic on the "all over the place casting decisions" part. If the casting has been done in a "play it by ear" manner, wouldn't that (supposed) lack of coordination - and not some malicious intent on Singer's part - account for the late announcement of Peters' casting? In other words, isn't there an equally plausible explanation for the late casting, i.e. that Fox is uncoordinated?

I also didn't read the "before he was an Avenger" thing as a dig when I read it. It wasn't until I saw all the hysteria around here that I saw the potential "dig." Maybe Singer tweeted something because he was excited and later regretted the phrasing. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence in the social media age. Maybe he thought it was cool that both he and Joss were going to get to take a crack at the character.

I don't get this either. For one thing, I don't think he ever said anything about anything being "absolutely essential." I must have missed that part. But QS is an X-Men character as well as an Avengers character, so Singer & Co. don't need any heightened justification to include him. So what if he's not "absolutely essential"? They have the legal right to use him and they want to use him.

Second, the whole "not essential to the comics plot" thing is also confusing. DOFP is, what 3 issues long? And like one issue takes place in the dystopian future. If he was limited to that, the movie would be like 8 minutes long. Of course he's going to add plot and characters.

When it comes down to it, I think there's a fundamental disagreement about who has the "right" to use the characters. There's a camp that thinks Joss/Marvel somehow gained the exclusive right to use the character because Joss announced a general intention to use the twins. I don't see the merit to that argument.

Sure, like all things, fanboys can read more meaning into a simple quote than the speaker actually intended, and Joss and Marvel might not have taken nearly as much offense as fanboys did. But all that has yet to be clarified by Singer.

But yes, I agree with you that some people have taken an opposite stance and assume that Marvel Studios somehow gained exclusivity over Wanda & Pietro after they were announced for TA2, and nothing could be farther from the truth. Feige already stated specifically that both studios can use the Maximoffs, and it appears both intend to do so.

In the interview with THR. He said there would be a different villain from Thanos and Thanos is the type of villain you have in the background threading things and saved for the big finale.

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How about they decide to call themselves that? I mean, I can totally see Pietro just deciding to call himself Quicksilver because he likes to show off and tout himself to people.

Wanda's a little more humble, but I can see The Scarlet Witch be a thing people call her. If they keep a villainous or quasi-villainous backstory for them, that makes sense as a nickname for this mysterious lady who'd show up and **** people up with her mind powers.

I don't know, that dounds pretty hocky. I guess it COULD happen if they just suddenly gets their powers and Pietro comes up with it...but yeah, I'd rather not.

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You don't know that. I see some ways it can work. But irrelevant. There is in incredible amount of bias leading to the interpretation of Joss' words.

He said "there will be villains"...now he says "villain" and "he".

After he mentions the one villain, what makes that claim anymore valid than his first? Both were said by the director, and IF one of them is a lie (which I doubt) it can be either one. There is NOTHING that suggests one is anymore less valid than the other. Except the bias towards the dislike of the masters of evil. Which really isn't valid.

Whedon said multiple villains, people assume a team...whedon says a villain...then all the bias kicks in and people who don't like the idea of MoE are saying, well, this means theres no masters of evil. It really doesn't though, not at all.

all that aside..there is NO WAY the first 3 avengers movie are cosmic villains.

Points all take, I just don't see it happening. It's a bad idea with a movie that already has this many characters in it.