cameroncrazy1984:dforkus: NateGrey: dforkus: robsul82: GoldSpider: PA is still a fairly safe Obama state, so I'll probably make a statement vote for Johnson.

/huh huh "johnson".

Ehhhhhhh, just to be safe, vote Obama. Pretty please.

Another bad sign for Obama, Johnson is going to end up being this election's nader. Lot's of youth that were caught up in the Obama hysteria of 08 are going to stay home, or vote Libertarian..

It's all going to start unraveling after 7 eastern.

Please dont stop posting tonight, your tears will be needed later.

Don't you worry about that, it's going to be a joy dispensing out the comeuppance

I doubt you'll be anywhere near here when the race is called. Will you take your medicine?

Absolutely, will you take yours??The dems just aren't motivated like they were last time, and on the flip side the Anti Obama sentiment is palpable.Also Romney's organization/ground game is an order of magnitude better than McCain.We'll watch the democrats' hope unravel before our eyes

dforkus:cameroncrazy1984: dforkus: NateGrey: dforkus: robsul82: GoldSpider: PA is still a fairly safe Obama state, so I'll probably make a statement vote for Johnson.

/huh huh "johnson".

Ehhhhhhh, just to be safe, vote Obama. Pretty please.

Another bad sign for Obama, Johnson is going to end up being this election's nader. Lot's of youth that were caught up in the Obama hysteria of 08 are going to stay home, or vote Libertarian..

It's all going to start unraveling after 7 eastern.

Please dont stop posting tonight, your tears will be needed later.

Don't you worry about that, it's going to be a joy dispensing out the comeuppance

I doubt you'll be anywhere near here when the race is called. Will you take your medicine?

Absolutely, will you take yours??The dems just aren't motivated like they were last time, and on the flip side the Anti Obama sentiment is palpable.Also Romney's organization/ground game is an order of magnitude better than McCain.We'll watch the democrats' hope unravel before our eyes

How so? Been there, done that.Done exactly what you suggested.Three times.I made my point.I might even go off-ticket in the future.

But not last election, and not this one.Call me led, call me a sheep, call me whatever you want.I don't believe a vote outside the 2 main party choices is throwing your vote away.

But, I cannot allow myself not to be counted on the side of sanity.And my dream 'right' of universal access to healthcare got real traction this time around.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that.

No, I do. I do. It's understandable. The need to be a contributing part of something important is certainly worthy of consideration as a motive for choice. It's justifiable. I think, however, that such motive contributes to a larger systemic problem, that being the entrenchment of the primary parties. If I vote for a major party because I think that only major parties can get votes, then multiply that perspective across the landscape of voters, then all that's been accomplished is to validate the initial assumption and create a recursive feedback loop of causality. If a major party candidate best represents your views on who ought to be president, that's your right and certainly valid. My point is only that if one (not you necessarily but...someone) votes only according to the idea of picking a winner based on the idea that is the only way to be effective as a voter, then the point of voting in a representative democracy has been lost. I would concede that I'm being idealistic and that pragmatic governance of such a hugely heterogeneous population requires a bit more predictability. For myself, though, I'm convinced that small choices can result in big changes, and if change is what I truly want then I need to be pro-active about it. I honestly hope Obama wins, for much the same reasons as you state. But I see my vote as an opportunity to exercise my First Amendment rights and I'd rather say "These things are what I believe" than "This is where I'll place my faith."

Looks like we're actually on the same page.And no, I haven't abandoned my pie-in-the-sky-principles. I get crap for that all the time. 20years ago my dad told me that the older I got, the more conservative I'd become.Considering I was already married, and then chose to stay at home to raise my kids, on the outside I seem pretty conservative, so it seems like a silly thing to say to a daughter already more conservative than her parents.Maybe I should say 'traditional'?

I've only gotten more liberal over time. The more life I lived, I didn't see myself complaining about folks that won't get off their ass. Or pull their own weight.Or trying to take more of what I worked for. That's what he meant.But time has only sharpened my compassion, patience, and dreams.There's a world I want to see built, on the backs of honesty and compassion. It's do-able, but some folks are just too caught up in themselves for their own good.

Baryogenesis:Romeny can lose Florida as long as he wins every other swing state. And if he loses Ohio the NYT interactive guide tells me he still has 11 ways to win.

In my predictions, I've given Florida to Romney every time, and Obama still comes out on top. Closest Romney got was Obama with 271. All Obama has to do is carry Ohio and Colorado and Romney can pretty much take the rest.

dforkus:cameroncrazy1984: dforkus: NateGrey: dforkus: robsul82: GoldSpider: PA is still a fairly safe Obama state, so I'll probably make a statement vote for Johnson.

/huh huh "johnson".

Ehhhhhhh, just to be safe, vote Obama. Pretty please.

Another bad sign for Obama, Johnson is going to end up being this election's nader. Lot's of youth that were caught up in the Obama hysteria of 08 are going to stay home, or vote Libertarian..

It's all going to start unraveling after 7 eastern.

Please dont stop posting tonight, your tears will be needed later.

Don't you worry about that, it's going to be a joy dispensing out the comeuppance

I doubt you'll be anywhere near here when the race is called. Will you take your medicine?

Absolutely, will you take yours??The dems just aren't motivated like they were last time, and on the flip side the Anti Obama sentiment is palpable.Also Romney's organization/ground game is an order of magnitude better than McCain.We'll watch the democrats' hope unravel before our eyes

I really do enjoy this childish cheerleading you guys have going on. Don't stop a-suckin

skullkrusher:Raging Whore Moans: Although over on DailyKos they said they'll feel sorry for GOP voters in that polling place when Black people in the South no longer have to walk past statues of rebel soldiers on their way to vote, so y'know, grain of salt from evaporated neocon tears and all that.

that's a terrible comparison. There are actually laws against displaying signage for a candidate within 100 feet of a polling place. I'd imagine the law applies to inside the polling place itself. Statues of rebels soldiers don't mean dick unless those rebel soldiers are running for office

Yeah, I agree with you. Just reporting what they're saying over there, which is a bit too partisan for even my progressive taste sometimes. The fact is that the polling place should be "sterile" in a campaigning sense, and I support the laws that keep it so.

Just got back from Obama campaign headquarters in central NJ. I was making calls and as I posted on my FB, all the little old ladies in south Philly were out in droves early in the morning. As one old Black lady told me, "We can't have Romney in office. I'm too old to pick cotton." lol

Raging Whore Moans:skullkrusher: Raging Whore Moans: Although over on DailyKos they said they'll feel sorry for GOP voters in that polling place when Black people in the South no longer have to walk past statues of rebel soldiers on their way to vote, so y'know, grain of salt from evaporated neocon tears and all that.

that's a terrible comparison. There are actually laws against displaying signage for a candidate within 100 feet of a polling place. I'd imagine the law applies to inside the polling place itself. Statues of rebels soldiers don't mean dick unless those rebel soldiers are running for office

Yeah, I agree with you. Just reporting what they're saying over there, which is a bit too partisan for even my progressive taste sometimes. The fact is that the polling place should be "sterile" in a campaigning sense, and I support the laws that keep it so.