It is Java again

Beside the clock on the lower left corner of my XP screen
is this nice coffeecup icon of Java.

And there is a program or process running, because if i rightclick on it
i get a pop-up menu and can choose:
"About Java Technology"
"go to java.com"
etc.
And this program is working because when i click on one of these,
the selections starts and runs perfectly.

What i don't understand is:

1) Why can't i find this process with ProxC (or any other processviewer)?
It is a process right?

2) How can i stop this, is this javaw.exe or java.exe or jusched.exe ?

3) Is there a way to kill this process if there is no normal stop function?

1) Why can't i find this process with ProxC (or any other processviewer)?
It is a process right?

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Not to my knowledge....it's simply an icon placed in the systray similar to adding quick access for your video, volume control, power options....etc. You can always select not to have it shown in the system tray via Control Panel\Java\Advanced tab....Miscellaneous.

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Hi Bubba, thanks for the help,
if this (the above) is true, then it is a very clever icon, that runs a popup menu without a program or process

I am very curious how this works, because this is basic XP internals..

How can you run a pop-up menu without a Process ??

Firepost this (disable in Firefox) works (Thanks !!),
but i want to disable JAVA itself AFTER it is started. because i don't want to have it run when i don't need it anymore.

It is a strange thing that Java seems to slip through almost
all protection systems you have (like ProcessGuard at default settings), while i think it can be a serious security
risc when used in the wrong way.

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I took some time to investigate what whas going on.
If you start your browser, and visit a webpage that needs Java,
it starts up an extra java dll.
So i was searching for a process but it was a DLL.

The strange thing here, regarding security, is that after testing with
Process Guard and Tiny Personal Firewall.
It became clear that it was not possible to allow the browser (IE or FireFox etc.) BUT at the same time to stop Java starting with it.

The only way that you could stop JAVA, was by disabeling it in your browser.

The weird thing here, is although you think you are protected
from ' programs' from starting, this seems to be more complicated.

As someone with a Unix background, this surprising.

If you allow a program, and it seems to be harmless,
try it for a while, you never know when it will start an unwanted DLL
that can really harm your computer.

Because i am convinced that Java can be a security risk.

Another thing is about the small menu in the lower right corner
of your dekstop, this menu of Java, where you can so all kind of things
except stop the .... thing itself.

Seems to work without using a DLL, process etc. or without using any system recources.

Bubba wrote:

With IE we do not see an extra process running in regards to the Java icon because the Java IE plugin is already running if Java is enabled.

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So with other words, it is running within the IE process ?

But things can even be more strange, i've seen that Windows
had still menu's working, but that there were NO process working anymore according the taskmanager.
Or your system has 97 % cpu usage and is slow,
but the CPU usage is caused by ' system idle' .

I know exactly how Solaris is working on kernel level
but this is well documented.

XP has still some hidden secrets for me.
Like having a program running without using system-resources

And btw, perhaps it would be nice, if there was some security on
DLL level, because what will happen if the JAVA DLL was replaced by malware, will that be detected by Appdefend ?