That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p

This. I dont want to work in child care either. Nor be a school teacher. However I also know that it basically isnt an option.women have whatever option they want. Men basically do to.except for a few industries. Like child care and increasingly teaching.

it is what it is. I dont care. Nor do I biatch about it. Im just saying the double standard exists.

Yeah, that totally sucks for guys. Meanwhile:

But it totally farking sucks that men have a difficult time getting low-wage jobs working day care.

Every single athlete and soldier listed has a woman at home enjoying the benefits of it all without having to do shiat.

That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p

This. I dont want to work in child care either. Nor be a school teacher. However I also know that it basically isnt an option.women have whatever option they want. Men basically do to.except for a few industries. Like child care and increasingly teaching.

it is what it is. I dont care. Nor do I biatch about it. Im just saying the double standard exists.

Yeah, that totally sucks for guys. Meanwhile:

But it totally farking sucks that men have a difficult time getting low-wage jobs working day care.

Every single athlete and soldier listed has a woman at home enjoying the benefits of it all without having to do shiat.

your point is moot

Wow, really? Hunh. I dare you to say that to Michelle Obama's face. Or Hillary Clinton's.

this is what comes from arguing with a female of any kind.no solutions. Just petty insults.

At least we can all see what a hateful bigot you really are, so there's that. And my comment wasn't just an insult. I'm really quite serious: I honestly hope you that never have a daughter, because I sincerely believe your bitter misogyny would do a young girl real psychological harm.

It's bad enough that you're already in a position to warp one impressionable young mind as it is.

this is what comes from arguing with a female of any kind.no solutions. Just petty insults.

At least we can all see what a hateful bigot you really are, so there's that. And my comment wasn't just an insult. I'm really quite serious: I honestly hope you that never have a daughter, because I sincerely believe your bitter misogyny would do a young girl real psychological harm.

It's bad enough that you're already in a position to warp one impressionable young mind as it is.

That's basically true(though not technically legally true), and a good point. Men are simply not trusted to care for children. At all.

Is it just an industry unwilling to accept gender equality that goes the "wrong" way? Men that want to work closely with children are pretty much just assumed to be creepy, potential child molesters. Which isn't to say that I want to work at a day care. I could barely stand myself as a child =p

This. I dont want to work in child care either. Nor be a school teacher. However I also know that it basically isnt an option.women have whatever option they want. Men basically do to.except for a few industries. Like child care and increasingly teaching.

it is what it is. I dont care. Nor do I biatch about it. Im just saying the double standard exists.

Yeah, that totally sucks for guys. Meanwhile:

But it totally farking sucks that men have a difficult time getting low-wage jobs working day care.

Every single athlete and soldier listed has a woman at home enjoying the benefits of it all without having to do shiat.

your point is moot

Wow, really? Hunh. I dare you to say that to Michelle Obama's face. Or Hillary Clinton's.

Im not sure I see your point.neither michelle nor hillary is married to an athlete.both are in positions that the majority of folk would kill for.

Your posts kinda make it look like you do, and I'm being objective here. There have been a few other posters in this thread who come off that way, too. Also, having "rapist" in your handle isn't doing you any favors.

Most don't, but as for the ones that do, I'd say it's because we frequently treat them like shiat and then claim that WE'RE the victims, even though women frequently get the short end of the stick and we benefit from it.

this is what comes from arguing with a female of any kind.no solutions. Just petty insults.

At least we can all see what a hateful bigot you really are, so there's that. And my comment wasn't just an insult. I'm really quite serious: I honestly hope you that never have a daughter, because I sincerely believe your bitter misogyny would do a young girl real psychological harm.

It's bad enough that you're already in a position to warp one impressionable young mind as it is.

My point still stands.

Fortunately for me, I am not an impressionable young child, so your derp is unlikely to cause me real psychological harm. on the contrary, I'm having fun watching you get more outrageous with every post and laughing at you. You're no threat to adults, only kids.

I'm starting to think you're a troll, by the way, but it doesn't really matter. Nice job of starting off subtle enough to real a few folks in, if so.

Your posts kinda make it look like you do, and I'm being objective here. There have been a few other posters in this thread who come off that way, too. Also, having "rapist" in your handle isn't doing you any favors.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: why do women hate men?

Most don't, but as for the ones that do, I'd say it's because we frequently treat them like shiat and then claim that WE'RE the victims, even though women frequently get the short end of the stick and we benefit from it.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: If you think you matter more as far as childeren go because of uterus.

A woman being pregnant can't kill you or even harm you. It can, however kill and/or harm her. Therefore, she absolutely gets the final say over what goes on in her body. It really is that simple.

My handle was a joke from an old fark thread.and yep a woman being pregnant cant kill me.it can harm me. Family court is the most blatantly sexist thing in north american society. Harms men everyday. And ya some of my posts probably sound sexist. At one point Ive had a half dozen women trying to chew me out for what amounts to me saying equal rights equal responsibility.

guys and girls treating eachother like shiat goes both ways.either side trying to claim innocence is wrong.

I dont argue with statistics. Or things Ive heard. Everything I say is based off of things that either happend to me or Ive seen happen to others.

but for whatever reason pointing out feminist hypocrisy makes you a sexist by default. Whatever.

feminists making a show out of perceived slights in this day and age. Cant stand em. Wont tolerate em.All I want. And Im sure 99% of people agree. Is to be treated equally under law and have the same opportunitys in life.one family law gets ironed out Im hunky dory.

thing is women dont want it. Cause they benefit greatly from it as is. Yep some guys are absolute clowns that deserve what they get.

other guys just couldnt make it work with a girl. Still love their kids and fight an uphill battle just to know them.

my mother used to hold meetings for a womens group in college. I could argue this crap all night. Cause its mostly utter BS on both sides.

heres how it works. Nice girl meets a prick of a man. He makes her a biatch. She meets a nice guy. Turns him into a prick. Wash rinse repeat.

us vs them is a dumb way to look at it. But for whatever reason thats how most seem to look at it

this is what comes from arguing with a female of any kind.no solutions. Just petty insults.

At least we can all see what a hateful bigot you really are, so there's that. And my comment wasn't just an insult. I'm really quite serious: I honestly hope you that never have a daughter, because I sincerely believe your bitter misogyny would do a young girl real psychological harm.

It's bad enough that you're already in a position to warp one impressionable young mind as it is.

My point still stands.

Fortunately for me, I am not an impressionable young child, so your derp is unlikely to cause me real psychological harm. on the contrary, I'm having fun watching you get more outrageous with every post and laughing at you. You're no threat to adults, only kids.

I'm starting to think you're a troll, by the way, but it doesn't really matter. Nice job of starting off subtle enough to real a few folks in, if so.

Doesn't matter where it came from or how silly of a joke it was. Eye sees the word "rapist," brain subconsciously links it to violence against women. Want your arguments on this topic to have more weight? Use a different handle.

teenage mutant ninja rapist:it can harm me. Family court is the most blatantly sexist thing in north american society. Harms men everyday.

Which is why we offer men an epidural before they go to family court? I'm talking about physical harm here. Not perceived slights, not hurt feelings or emptied pocketbooks. I'm talking about having your body wrecked or at the very least your hole torn to shiat while pushing an entire person through it.

teenage mutant ninja rapist:I dont argue with statistics. Or things Ive heard. Everything I say is based off of things that either happend to me or Ive seen happen to others.

So your entire opinion is based completely on flawed, anecdotal evidence? Some of it even secondhand? Well now nobody has any reason to listen to ANY of your arguments. Want your arguments on ANY topic to have more weight? Do some f-ing research and post some facts and sources. Most folks treat anecdotes, rightfully, as bullshiat.

Interesting that you only love women who aren't potential sex partners. And yet you don't list your biological mother as one you love, only your stepmother. This is actually very, VERY telling. We're beginning to get a much clearer picture of you here. *puffs Freud pipe*

You sure are a big fan of generalizations. With only anecdotes to back up your worldview, one would think you'd be more careful about that.

teenage mutant ninja rapist:heres how it works. Nice girl meets a prick of a man. He makes her a biatch. She meets a nice guy. Turns him into a prick. Wash rinse repeat.

Yikes...you have a truly sad and simplistic view on how things work, huh? I'm really sorry that whatever woman, mom or whoever, hurt you in the past, but you really need to realize that life and interpersonal relationships just aren't usually like what you've described. Get out there, man, meet some decent folks. Change your paradigm.

Marcus Aurelius:Just think how many abortions this will prevent. Surely the anti-abortionists will be rejoicing at this news.

I actually had the following argument with a fundy:

Me: I'd rather we spend a few dollars funding cheap birth control instead of paying for abortions or unwanted babies.Fundy: But they should pay for their own!Me: I agree, but since they can't, I'm willing to live with the small cost of subsidized birth control.Fundy: But they should pay for their own!Me: They are poor. Would you rather pay for birth control or an abortion?Fundy: They shouldn't have sex if they can't afford it!Me: You can't stop human nature. People will have sex.Fundy: I shouldn't have to pay for it.Me: So you would rather pay for an abortion or for another welfare baby?Fundy: They should abstain from sex!Me: Your driving down a road. Up ahead is a T intersection. You can turn right or left. Those are your only two choices. You insist on going straight, driving off a cliff, and plunging into the rocks below.

BarkingUnicorn:Alphax: Fark the UN, too. Health and well-being are not human rights. It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you. It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.

Alphax:BarkingUnicorn: Alphax: Fark the UN, too. Health and well-being are not human rights. It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you. It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.

How sociopathic of you.

So now it's a human right to have others feel your pain? LOL!

A sociopath would not realize they are wrong.

and no...that's a psychopath. A sociopath just doesn't give a fark. realizing something and caring enough to change your behavior...two very different things.

TDBoedy:giggityAlphax: BarkingUnicorn: Alphax: Fark the UN, too. Health and well-being are not human rights. It is not incumbent upon others to provide them to you. It may be in the self-interest of others, but that's a different story.

How sociopathic of you.

So now it's a human right to have others feel your pain? LOL!

A sociopath would not realize they are wrong.

and no...that's a psychopath. A sociopath just doesn't give a fark. realizing something and caring enough to change your behavior...two very different things.

"Sociopaths" are the new bogeymen. You Psychology Today subscribers think they're everywhere.

I have to laugh at feminists who scream for a woman's right to an abortion, then turn around and advocate for laws against prostitution. If they really cared about a woman's right to do whatever she wanted with her own body, they wouldn't care if she chose to monetize her sexuality. It would be her body, her choice. (I'm of course, talking about regulated prostitution, not "drug addict being slapped around by a pimp" prostitution.)

For that matter, why shouldn't a woman be allowed to imbibe or inhale whatever drug she wants? If we agree that people's choices about their own bodies are sacrosanct, then why are illegal drugs criminalized? Shouldn't a person be allowed to put whatever drug they want into their own body?

Biological Ali:teenage mutant ninja rapist: Every single athlete and soldier listed has a woman at home enjoying the benefits of it all without having to do shiat.

your point is moot

This is basically this guy's way of saying, "Why are you people still replying to me? I thought I'd made it clear I was trolling about ten posts ago."

It's kind of standard operating procedure on this site. Anytime there is a thread concerning female reproductive issues, there are 1. At least one troll whining about age of consent laws, and 2. A troll playing the part of bitter put-upon man who feels that his having to pay child support is the biggest injustice since the Bataan Death March on the Trail of Tears to Auschwitz.

Popcorn Johnny:If it was up to me, we would have one age of consent for the entire country. Seems silly that what you do in one state makes you a rapist in another. That said, I don't agree with girls under the age of consent being able to purchase this without their parents knowledge. Maybe it should be that they don't need parental permission, but the parents are notified of the purchase after the fact.

It's always disgusting to hear what some men have to say about women's reproductive rights, but at least it is entertaining to hear the same men cry about their responsibility to help provide for their offspring. I really am amazed that the laws in these areas are as liberal as they are in the US, considering the complete inability of many men to even understand the principles involved. Good thing women have the vote.

Red Shirt Blues:When do they start selling Viagra OTC? Seems like it would be a nice counterbalance.

The difference is that Viagra has complications with some conditions and other prescriptions that can be fatal. Even in the commercials they tell you that you shouldn't take Viagra with other medications that lower heart pressure.

OgreMagi:Marcus Aurelius: Just think how many abortions this will prevent. Surely the anti-abortionists will be rejoicing at this news.

I actually had the following argument with a fundy:

Me: I'd rather we spend a few dollars funding cheap birth control instead of paying for abortions or unwanted babies.Fundy: But they should pay for their own!Me: I agree, but since they can't, I'm willing to live with the small cost of subsidized birth control.Fundy: But they should pay for their own!Me: They are poor. Would you rather pay for birth control or an abortion?Fundy: They shouldn't have sex if they can't afford it!Me: You can't stop human nature. People will have sex.Fundy: I shouldn't have to pay for it.Me: So you would rather pay for an abortion or for another welfare baby?Fundy: They should abstain from sex!Me: Your driving down a road. Up ahead is a T intersection. You can turn right or left. Those are your only two choices. You insist on going straight, driving off a cliff, and plunging into the rocks below.

In recent years, I've realized that a large number of conservative responses to societal ills boil down to "We shouldn't do anything to help because it wouldn't be a problem if everyone did what I think they should do." See sex ed., welfare, medicare, social security, gun control, drug rehab, sub-prime mortgages, health insurance, payday loans, and the minimum wage for examples.

(As a corollary, "doing what I think they should do" generally requires people to magically become Nietzschen supermen. I had a frightening conversation about a month ago with a woman ranting about "Obamacare." Her answer to the problem of people not having insurance was that everyone should get insurance through their employer or buy it if their employer doesn't offer it. If you can't afford it, save more money, get a better job, or get another job, and quit whining. More disturbingly, though, she advocated that emergency rooms should demand cash up front for treatment. My response to this kind of stupidity is usually along the lines of "Segments of society who are told to go off and die in corner frequently do not comply politely.")

yourmomlovestetris:I have to laugh at feminists who scream for a woman's right to an abortion, then turn around and advocate for laws against prostitution. If they really cared about a woman's right to do whatever she wanted with her own body, they wouldn't care if she chose to monetize her sexuality. It would be her body, her choice. (I'm of course, talking about regulated prostitution, not "drug addict being slapped around by a pimp" prostitution.)

For that matter, why shouldn't a woman be allowed to imbibe or inhale whatever drug she wants? If we agree that people's choices about their own bodies are sacrosanct, then why are illegal drugs criminalized? Shouldn't a person be allowed to put whatever drug they want into their own body?

doczoidberg:Why the hell is this available over the county, but you still need a prescription to get regular birth control???

You don't.

But since you mean therapeutic, hormonal birth control, because it has potentially serious side effects and a doctor should be involved in the process to ensure that something doesn't go terribly wrong.

You wouldn't want to give it to a smoker with a history of blood clots, for example.

Your posts kinda make it look like you do, and I'm being objective here. There have been a few other posters in this thread who come off that way, too. Also, having "rapist" in your handle isn't doing you any favors.

LibertyHiller:I see a farkton of men arguing about this in every thread.

Hey, I've got a crazy idea: How about if everybody who isn't capable of bearing children shut the fark up about what you think someone else should do in the areas of birth control and pregnancy? If you can't do it, you don't get to have an opinion, per the Basic Rule of Life #7: Mind Your Own Farking Business.

Ok, but we have to apply the same rule to other threads as well. No arguing about how much taxes "the 1%" should pay unless you're one of them. Rape thread? Well, if you're not a rapist you can just stfu.

Ah, now we see your true colors. Up until now, you could at least pretend you were about (your conception of) equal rights.

But you've lost plausible deniability now. You flat-out admitted you simply hate women.

Not sure why you revealed yourself when you had been working so hard earlier to maintain a facade, but thank you.

I dont hate women at all. I do hate hypocrisy. And lets face it here feminism as it exists now is hypocrisy.

what was it you said about having a uterus means your opinion matters more than a mans?

so what is it. Men and women are equal? Or you deserve to be valued more as a person because female?

if I hated women I wouldnt tell anyone who listens that my grandmother is the most wonderfull person I know.My ex wife even after family court. I still love her.

but feminists. And fark posters who gotta go back several pages to take 1 sentance out of context.

pure hypocrisy. I dont hate women.really and im perplexed by this.

why do women hate men?cause everytime the topic of gender equality comes up.it sure as hell seems like they do.

if you want real equality thats awesome. If you think you matter more as far as childeren go because of uterus.I would call that sexist.you matter more becuse of gender.

cant have it both ways girl.

I was pretty interested in a lot you had to say because I found parts of it thought-provoking. And you took the time to answer my question to you about equal pay, and that was much appreciated and relatively rational.

But you keep using "girl" or "girly" as an insult. Then you say ALL women add nothing to an argument but petty insults. Then you call women "professional victims".

I would just like to respectfully disagree. I try not to insult anyone while arguing. I like to think I am not a "professional victim" and cannot think of a time when I would have been classified as such. I think and hope you rethink some of your thoughts about my gender because I am having a difficult time seeing how the ideas and feelings you have can possibly benefit you or a rational discussion at all. You are certainly right in some regards...*some* women cannot argue without becoming instantly defensive (and I have encountered men with the same issue) and *some* women do play the role of professional victim quite well. Maybe you should seek the company of better women? Who knows. It just makes me frustrated and a bit sad that someone who seems to be clever and intelligent can have such a skewed opinion of ~50% of the entire population.

Agreed. If life begins at birth, you can't possibly presume to hold a man financially responsible for a child whose birth he didn't participate in. Might as well pick some random stranger off the street and make him pay child support.