The House answer would not be "a special pathway to citizenship where people who are here unlawfully get something that people who have worked for decades to immigrate lawfully do not have," he said.

so the GOP response is to punish EVERYONE who is trying to immigrants no matter what their circumstances? huh. well at least its internally consistent - the GOP has the same views on public assistance, health care and the war on drugs. They punish everyone, no exceptions - save for the rich of course.

Weaver95:The House answer would not be "a special pathway to citizenship where people who are here unlawfully get something that people who have worked for decades to immigrate lawfully do not have," he said.

so the GOP response is to punish EVERYONE who is trying to immigrants no matter what their circumstances? huh. well at least its internally consistent - the GOP has the same views on public assistance, health care and the war on drugs. They punish everyone, no exceptions - save for the rich of course.

Very black and white reactionary thinking. Yes.

These are easy answers that fit on bumper stickers and are great for quips and comebacks. Awful awful for governing.

Nadie_AZ:Weaver95: The House answer would not be "a special pathway to citizenship where people who are here unlawfully get something that people who have worked for decades to immigrate lawfully do not have," he said.

so the GOP response is to punish EVERYONE who is trying to immigrants no matter what their circumstances? huh. well at least its internally consistent - the GOP has the same views on public assistance, health care and the war on drugs. They punish everyone, no exceptions - save for the rich of course.

Very black and white reactionary thinking. Yes.

These are easy answers that fit on bumper stickers and are great for quips and comebacks. Awful awful for governing.

And if/when someone complains or fights against such heavy handed authoritarian thinking, the GOP screams bloody murder, claims that 'libruls don't fight fair' and then cheats like a bunch of mofos to get their way. any protest - ANY objection, no matter how reasonable or well considered, is considered a direct personal attack by each and every republican in the hierarchy. at the same time, protesters are also considered laughable, weak and dismissed as having bought their ipads from mommy and daddy and are to be given a cookie and sent home with a firm push on the shoulder.

Weaver95:The House answer would not be "a special pathway to citizenship where people who are here unlawfully get something that people who have worked for decades to immigrate lawfully do not have," he said.

so the GOP response is to punish EVERYONE who is trying to immigrants no matter what their circumstances? huh. well at least its internally consistent - the GOP has the same views on public assistance, health care and the war on drugs. They punish everyone, no exceptions - save for the rich of course.

I don't think you understand. A significant number of the people affected by this reform brouhaha are BROWN!

Well, why wouldn't they reject it? Most of them come from districts with few minorities, and they have to weigh the danger for the party in alienating foreign people vs the far more present danger of being primaried from their right side if they vote for it. They can't win long term, but at least they can keep their jobs in the short term. This isn't a problem primarily of the Republican party, it's a problem that comes from the fact we have a lot of PEOPLE in this country that can't think critically about immigration reform and will never see past their own xenophobia.

Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

Almost Everybody Poops:Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

Is there a hidden message in that gibberish? I don't recognize any song names..

Almost Everybody Poops:Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

12349876:Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

The very fact Pelosi is still even in the house is because California is such an illegal alien sanctuary state, look at their state gov't, it is in a shambles, look at how broke they are due to supporting millions and millions of illegals---then, realize that this senate amnesty bill allows ALL of an illegals family to come into this country with them, so, the first decade, they estimate 30 MILLION illegals will gain amnesty, the second decade, another 25 MILLION, so, just WHERE does this country have the room or resources to put approx. 60 MILLION more, low income, non-English speaking, non-educated illegals and their families? And don't forget, we have our own population increases also during that same 20 years! What national parks do we plow under to make homes for these people? And, Pelosi will make sure they get a FULL RIDE with benefits, ie welfare, food stamps, disability, taxpayer assisted housing etc. This is NOT good for America!

12349876:Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

Soup4Bonnie:Let's see, Ryan was the House's numbers guy for the budget proposals. I wonder who they'll get for immigration. Gohmert? Poe?

Whatever happens, you can bet a ton of money is going to border defense and absolutely no path to citizenship will be in this "reform" bill for the House. Another waste of farking time.

Oh come on, the INS will get a boost, and so will local jails, who will be reimbursed. Well, possibly be reimbursed. Actually, they may have to foot the cost, and then apply for aid from the State, who will then beg and borrow from the Fed, and the cycle of "Who pays for it?" Bingo will continue, but somewhere, there are middlemen smiling broadly...

machodonkeywrestler:12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

csb time:I used to teach ESL/citizenship classes. Had a student come in one morning looking like all hell. I asked if he was ok. He said "Si, my son was born 6am." It was 8am when he came in. I asked him why he was even in class. He looked at me like I was crazy and said "I want to be American."

Anyone who discourages people like that from coming here is an idiot.

Besides, odds are, once they accrue enough assets to want to protect their hard earned gains from the welfare sponge class, they probably will vote Republican.

Almost Everybody Poops:Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

Almost Everybody Poops:machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

machodonkeywrestler:Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

Almost Everybody Poops:machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

Almost Everybody Poops:machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

You could also crack down on people who hire illegals... You know, the companies who provide the inventive for fence-hopping and are the "real" root of the problem but that would be messing with the almighty "job creators", wouldn't it?

machodonkeywrestler:Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

But you, you're just outraged because why?????? Bored?

No because I am a law abiding citizen that believes you shouldn't have to break the law before immigrating to the US.

MFK:Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

You could also crack down on people who hire illegals... You know, the companies who provide the inventive for fence-hopping and are the "real" root of the problem but that would be messing with the almighty "job creators", wouldn't it?

The question now is what will Obama do since the Congress refuses to pass an Immigration package? What can he do legally to show illegal immigrants that he's trying to do 'something' for them within the reach of his authority?

Get ready for another five million to cross the border when they find out they will get amnesty if they can crash the border and make it here before we build this fence that is supposedly being funded.

Almost Everybody Poops:machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

But you, you're just outraged because why?????? Bored?

No because I am a law abiding citizen that believes you shouldn't have to break the law before immigrating to the US.

Not something you mentioned in your rant. You would think that with that many words....

machodonkeywrestler:Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

But you, you're just outraged because why?????? Bored?

No because I am a law abiding citizen that believes you shouldn't have to break the law before immigrating to the US.

Not something you mentioned in your rant. You would think that with that many words....

Almost Everybody Poops:machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

But you, you're just outraged because why?????? Bored?

No because I am a law abiding citizen that believes you shouldn't have to break the law before immigrating to the US.

Look.... I'm pretty much Fark's token right wing troll at this point but no one except a few people smoking dope in the janitor's closet at La Raza headquarters is actually making the argument you are suggesting everyone to the left of you is making. The only real questions are how do we fix a broken system and does that fix favor corporations or people?

Yes, secure the boarder. Yes, make breaking the law an expensive proposition. Deport the truly dangerous. But only racist savages would favor creating a permanent underclass with no franchise and no hope of one.

Why should people be rewarded for breaking the law? Even without "reform" U.S. treats its immigrants much better than Mexico does. A work visa program would be fair to people who want to contribute to society, but granting citizenship is simply rewarding people for breaking the law.

Imagine living your whole life in America, but knowing that there was a greater nation out there, one that made America look like crap by comparison.

Better still, that nation 'wanted' you there, but didn't make it easy. 10-15 year wait, thousands of dollars and nothing was guaranteed. But, better still, if you got there and if you were careful, you could have a piece of that amazing country for yourself.

The way is dangerous and people die trying to get there, every day. But your kids are worth it and you deem that prize worth the risk.

Your friends don't agree. Most stay where they are, content to live in that second-rate country and not take the risks. You want that prize, however, so you take the risks and make the trip over.

The pay is terrible and you risk being found and sent back home every day. But, your kids have a better world now. Better education, better care, a less corrupt government, a cleaner environment. It's a good deal.

The only downside is that you're there illegal and your employers know it for the most part. They pay you less than legal citizens and the ones that complain either get fired on the spot or ratted out to their version of ICE.

See, they want you there to do the jobs that their own citizens won't do, at ridiculously low wages. But, they push you away with the other hand, condemning you as a criminal for being there illegally.

Try, just 'try' to put yourself into their shoes. They're not lazy or evil. They're just the bravest of their citizens willing to take enormous risks for their families and for themselves. We should applaud their bravery even as we work hard to try and make it easier for these massively self-motivated people to find a legitimate place in our country.

part of the problem:Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: Almost Everybody Poops: machodonkeywrestler: 12349876: Almost Everybody Poops: Hopefully legal citizens have had a reality check and now realize what voting for Obama has gotten you. He cares more about the illegals than he does millions of legal citizens on unemployment and welfare. How does this reform bill benefit legal citizens? What part of rewarding criminals with citizenship will make our economy better? If americans don't wake up soon and fight this bill with the House this will be another failing third world country in the very near future.

You must be the exception to your handle because your shiat has gotten into your brain.

He just happens to do all his pooping on the screen/paper.

No I have a butler for that, and thanks for disregarding my concern and avoiding the question.

Concern?? Lots of hyperbole and I can't even see a point other than what does THIS do for ME. Me, I tend not to be that selfish.

A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!

But you, you're just outraged because why?????? Bored?

No because I am a law abiding citizen that believes you shouldn't have to break the law before immigrating to the US.

Look.... I'm pretty much Fark's token right wing troll at this point but no one except a few people smoking dope in the janitor's closet at La Raza headquarters is actually ma ...