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03-16-2015 06:25 PM

SamuShamploo

a friend saw this today.
Barely any snow left, but.......

01-22-2015 12:03 AM

felixthecat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErinP

Next time try shutting off the TC...

Thats what I'd do too, at different times. W/ a diff you'll find you don't need too.

01-21-2015 11:37 PM

ErinP

Next time try shutting off the TC...

01-21-2015 11:28 AM

Wildsailor

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemistkremer

I have to agree, while it is true that all-seasons are not particularly good in heavy winter conditions, they are still designed to be driven to a certain extent in light snow and slush. The OEM Conti's, despite what others may say, were practically worthless in more than a dusting.

ElCouz, I have no bus to take where I live . But, i still use All Seasons (ContiExtremeContact DWS). So far, I've been able to drive through at least 6 inches with no issues. I think you need to clarify a little bit and say that those who expect the tires which came with their car to perform admirably in the winter should take the bus.

I would have put winters on my car but the OEMs did not pass inspection and I already bought winters for my wife's car so there was no more money.

I agree on the OEM tires...not desireable performance actually. I got stuck in about 1" of snow after I pulled forward into a parking spot last winter that was sloped down about .001% grade. When I came out of the store and tried to drive away the car would not back out of the spot and the traction control did nothing to help the situation. I finally got it going by finding a trashed floor mat in the trash and putting it under the tire. I was able to back up one length of floor mat at a time until I was on level ground and then I could drive forward with my tires spinning profusely while the traction control light was flashing on the dash. Pretty embarrasing, especially when the Taurus next to me left by just backing up and leaving with no drama.

This is all tire performance and these stock Continentals perform poor in my opinion.

01-21-2015 07:19 AM

chemistkremer

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELCouz

Incorrect!

They are not crappy... people expect all-season tires to behave like on a summer road in the winter!

People using all-season tires in the rust belt (upper US too) should take the bus in the winter

less collision ... less butthurt... everyones wins!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrApple

I still disagree. The OEM tires are poorly rated and perform poorly in bad weather.
While all-season tires are a compromise so that they can work in all weather conditions year round, some are better than others. The OEM tires, imho, are in the other category.

I have to agree, while it is true that all-seasons are not particularly good in heavy winter conditions, they are still designed to be driven to a certain extent in light snow and slush. The OEM Conti's, despite what others may say, were practically worthless in more than a dusting.

ElCouz, I have no bus to take where I live . But, i still use All Seasons (ContiExtremeContact DWS). So far, I've been able to drive through at least 6 inches with no issues. I think you need to clarify a little bit and say that those who expect the tires which came with their car to perform admirably in the winter should take the bus.

I would have put winters on my car but the OEMs did not pass inspection and I already bought winters for my wife's car so there was no more money.

01-21-2015 05:40 AM

BrApple

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELCouz

Incorrect!

They are not crappy... people expect all-season tires to behave like on a summer road in the winter!

People using all-season tires in the rust belt (upper US too) should take the bus in the winter

less collision ... less butthurt... everyones wins!

I still disagree. The OEM tires are poorly rated and perform poorly in bad weather. I never expected them to act like they do in the summer. This is why I use snow tires in the winter. However on a new car with low miles I do expect the tires to perform better than the OEM tires did. The first winter was ok but the second one was the end for the tires in my mind.

As I tried to describe I did go out in the snow with 18" high-performance all-season tires and while they of course do not have the grip of snow tires they did perform better than the OEM tires. Of course hands down the blizzaks I have on the car now out performed anything else that has been on it so far in the snow.

While all-season tires are a compromise so that they can work in all weather conditions year round, some are better than others. The OEM tires, imho, are in the other category.

01-20-2015 04:59 PM

ELCouz

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrApple

The issue is the crappy OEM tires that come on the car.

Incorrect!

They are not crappy... people expect all-season tires to behave like on a summer road in the winter!

People using all-season tires in the rust belt (upper US too) should take the bus in the winter

less collision ... less butthurt... everyones wins!

01-20-2015 04:39 PM

10'ses

[QUOTE=BrApple;7743641]I have to disagree. I do not find the TC to aggressive. The issue is the crappy OEM tires that come on the car. They slip to easily in the snow and then the TC will kick in and it can't get any grip. Taking off from a stop they would always slip and the TC would kick in. Once moving it wasn't am issue.

I can second this one; the stock Conti's are pretty bad. They might have a slight edge to the UHP all seasons I run during the warmer months though.

FWIW I put probably 8-10k miles per year between 2 stock SE Foci my work runs (on top of the 15+ thousand on my own car), and I can tell you turning off the TC system saved my butt last year during the "polar vortexes" we had here in Michigan. I recall a co-worker spending on hour digging out one of our cars after getting stuck in an unplowed parking lot with probably 8-10 inches of fresh snow on it. He eventually wound up walking to the store to buy kitty litter and got it unstuck that way. After I heard that, I showed all the regular drivers of those cars how to turn off the TC system.

01-20-2015 05:44 AM

BrApple

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supramk3

The TCS is so aggressive you get stuck more then it helps you even with dedicated studded snow tires.

I have to disagree. I do not find the TC to aggressive. The issue is the crappy OEM tires that come on the car. They slip to easily in the snow and then the TC will kick in and it can't get any grip. Taking off from a stop they would always slip and the TC would kick in. Once moving it wasn't am issue.

I put snow tires on the car and its 100 times better. Even high performance all season tires had better grip from a stop in the snow than the OEM tires.

01-19-2015 06:41 PM

10'ses

No problems for me, but I'm running blizzak ws70's on my factory 17 inch wheels. The hankook ventus s1 noble 2's that came with my car are terrible in the snow though. Still amazed (this is my second winter with the tires) with how much it transforms the car in snow and ice, and I dont think I would ever go back to running all seasons again.

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