Laurie A. Couture has been writing for years on issues similar to what Erin Pizzey, Dean Esmay, and others at AVfM have done work on. We have been a fan of her work for some time, though she’s never had any interest in the Men’s Human Rights Movement. Recently, she submitted an article to The Good Men Project, only to have it severely edited and then outright rewritten and censored. This will come as no surprise to readers of AVfM, given that we have seen this many times with The Good Men Project. (See for example Bad girls purged from The Good Men Project, Fathers can’t be mothers too, and Feminism’s mythological rape culture

However, this appears to go well beyond The Good Men Project, which any sane person can see is an inherently male-hostile site much of the time. Ms. Couture, a proud liberal, has tried to get information that runs counter to the feminist narrative into the following publications:

The Huffington Post
Ms.
Feminist Majority
Upworthy
Psychology Today
Women’s Rights News
Men Advocating Change
Futures Without Violence
Harper’s
The Utne Reader
The Atlantic
Miss Representation
Dr. Phil
CNN
Time
Newsweek
Slate
Salon
The Daily Beast
Mother Jones
The Guardian
The New York Times
US News and World Report

She’s also written to numerous government officials, to no avail.

Political partisans on the Right will no doubt want to blame all of this on “the left,” which they are free to do. But in general we see a bigger problem: whether right or left, everyone is afraid to offend feminist ideology.

But perhaps with more people like Ms. Couture, that will one day begin to change.

Are you listening, editors at those publications we named above? Are your consciences speaking to you? We hope so.

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It will be interesting to see what the establishment reaction to this is. Here’s another completely independent person coming forward to say what so may have thought and felt for so long. How much longer can they keep up the silence?

One thing Ms. Couture may have to come to grips with is that there is huge money in maintaining the status quo; misandry is an industry. One worth billions of dollars. Anyone who doesn’t see that is missing what is probably the single most important factor to understanding what is going on and why it isn’t getting better. There are other factors, sociological and even biological at play, but if you don’t see the money here first and foremost, you are missing the forest for the trees.

Chris

If UN Agenda 21/NWO is even marginally true, then the people in it for the money are themselves naïve about the ultimate goals. At the very least, the elimination of due process, human rights. Replacement of Common Law with the Napoleonic code or outright dictatorship. At worst, a totalitarian nightmare with the human race reduced by 90%, of which only 10% are male.

Shrek6

Chris, Common Law was replaced with Maritime Admiralty Law way back in the 1970s in pretty much every western nation on the planet.

You tell me where your legal rights are ‘TODAY’ where you can go to court and stand before a jury of your peers over all or any charge, AND not be forcibly blackmailed by plea bargains or any other such evil behaviour?

Why are there courts dealing with many severe crimes, where there is a Magistrate only presiding over the case? Not sure what exists in the US, but in Australia, Magistrate courts do the greatest portion of the work and the courts that have juries in them are higher courts, which exist for more severe crimes.
The lesser severe crimes are deemed not important enough to have a jury and the poor sucker standing in the accused box, often stands before a female Magistrate.

Even the courts that do have a jury, the corruption is as overt as any other court. You need to remember that from the moment a crime is committed, through collecting of evidence, to interviews, filing of charges, all the way to the court hearings, corruption is the top most order of the day. Most especially if the ‘ALLEGED’ crime is against a female and she has pointed the finger at a male perp. That is where the corruption can be seen from the international space station, it is that obvious!

The days of Common Law are long gone!
There is no remedy in any court in any country on the planet. Only a fool would go before a court to settle a disagreement, unless of course you have a huge pile of cash to waste and if you’re male you don’t care about your reputation being permanently trashed!

Chris

Officially and in the media the legal system is described as ‘innocent until proven guilty’ unlike the Napoleonic code where it’s ‘guilty until proven innocent’, If the idea of presumption of innocence was completed destroyed you wouldn’t have sites like this where people are fighting for it.

Money plays an enormous role but so does the obliviousness of people. We are in a feelings-oriented society. If not, then the money-stuff wouldn’t play out. Women in particular have been told that their feelings are fair game to center the world around. They bought it and are abusing their power. Money will flow toward whatever will funnel.

DEDC

Money is a chaser here.

Gynocentrism is what it is chasing. If that isn’t gynocentrism staring you in the face, I don’t know what is.

I hope Ms. Couture’s video goes viral. A prime example of one of the many people who have attempted to address real issues only to be silenced by the media. And we’re talking about boys – the last time I checked were still considered “children”. But some how only because they were born with a penis the main stream media feels it necessary to make them a casualty of the gender war.

Rob

so.. is there any chance avfm can publish the article here if it is relevent to avfm?
and preferably in its uncensored form subject to the usual good taste/ non offensive criteria

Zane

Yes. I’d very much like to see the original article as well.

Flo

But the original, not the 3-times-edited-because-Feminism-censorship version

Rob

I meant the original( warts and all) no matter whether we agree or disagree as we are about free speech. thanks for clarifying what I meant

Mordridakon

Is this woman on AVFM? If not we should invite her here to be a contributor, she’d fit right in.

DukeLax

She does seem passionate about her work.

Razedbywolvs

Well she probably fits in the “Equality feminist” box along side Christina Hoff Summer’s. Dig a little
deeper and there will be some ideological differences that might be a problem here.
Don’t take that the wrong way i’m glad she is speaking out and it’s really good that AVFM will post her video.
But don’t forget The WoollyBumbleBee.

Bewildered

Don’t you see any difference between the two ?

Razedbywolvs

Between Laurie A/Christina Hoff or Christina/WoollyBumbleBee or equality feminist/feminist?

Bewildered

Between Laurie A and WoollyBumbleBee

Razedbywolvs

About 50 pounds.
I think the difference would boil down to the intent behind the actions. selfishness vs compashon.

LaurieAC

I am NOT a feminist and never was. I want to make that clear! I also do not agree with Christina Hoff Sommers’ seeming omission of any focus on male victims of sexual abuse of boys or female perpetrators. She also advocates for boys attending traditional schools which I also do not support. I support unschooling/homeschooling/child-centered learning for ALL children. What is the Wooly Bumble Bee?

Razedbywolvs

Hello LaurieAC
The Wooly Bumble Bee was A former member of AVFM. Things didn’t work out so well and some donation money for a mens shelter went missing/misappropriated.
Please don’t take any above mentioned association with her personal. Nothing I said was intended to insult you or question your integrity.
Christina Hoff Summers calls herself a feminist. But I think the only one who believes that is Christina. Feminist hate her and “we” respect her.
I went to public school so I whole heartedly agree with you on homeschooling. Every year my parents told me it would be better the next year but it just got worse. I did not care if I lived one more day because waking up in the morning brought anxiety not hope or happiness.
The kids keep shooting up the schools for the same reason the prisoners at pelican bay keep shanking each other.

Shrek6

Ah, actually there are very many people here who do not respect CHS. Rasedbywolvs, I think you might be making a mistake saying “we respect her.”

Yes she plays an important role in trying to help out with ‘SOME’ of the issues regarding the mistreatment of men and boys, but she also holds on to far too many ‘feminist type beliefs’ that are well and truly at odds with what many men here believe.

Sorry, but the world we live in today has been utterly transformed by some of the most vicious human beings who have ever walked this earth. And they are feminists, AND they are women!

Sure the worst are the most radical and not all of them are radical, However, they ARE ALL feminists and they all hold to the same core values.

Christina Hoff Summers is a feminist pure and simple and I have little to no respect for her at all.

If this was an issue or a battle that was less serious in nature, then I may be more forgiving. But this is deadly serious. Tens of thousands of men and boys die every year around the developed world as a direct result of what feminism has done to us.

If Hoff Summers wants to have any credibility within the “Men’s HUMAN Rights” movement, then she needs to grow some OVARIES and a bloody SPINE, abjure from her feminist past and the sisterhood, then pledge her energy, time and talents to furthering the cause of the human rights of ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR SEX!

Hoff Summers is not going to do that, because she wants to keep a foot in both camps so that she will not undergo the even just a little bit of what men suffer everyday when attacked by these hate filled individuals.

The days are gone where fence sitting cowards were accepted. It is now time to deal with absolutes.

You are either with the Men’s (and people’s) Human Rights organisations, or you are against us!

Astrokid

You are either with the Men’s (and people’s) Human Rights organisations, or you are against us!

Yikes.. Dont do that.. gives me Bush nightmares LOL

Shrek6

Sorry Astro, didn’t mean to bring back a bad dream for you. LOL

In all seriousness though. We need to make sure we don’t carry fence sitters along with us, because when things turn ugly, which they will at some point, the fence sitters will sell us out. So they either truly care about men’s human rights and toss the feminism or they fully go the other way.

Men have been compromising with women in general and with feminists, all these long 5 decades, which is why we are currently in this mess. It’s time to refuse to compromise and demand allegiance. If they refuse then show them the door!

Razedbywolvs

“we respect her.”
“We” respect her.
I was trying to make we clear but iz failed.
“You are either with the Men’s (and people’s) Human Rights organisations, or you are against us!” Gloria Allred says the same thing with slightly different wording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddgkEg2XSA CHS Is a Trojan horse. She still uses the feminist title but every issue she addresses the position she takes is pretty anti-feminist. CHF ether cant admit to herself that she was a part of a hate movement or she is deliberately using the labile to piss off
feminist.
Haven’t seen your comments in awhile Shrek6. I was starting to wounder.

Shrek6

G’Day Mate. Yeah, I’ve been busy with other things lately, so have not been able to get online much.

I know my comment being on ‘absolutes’ is exactly what feminists have always done, which as we know has always been successful. Well, it is my opinion now that we need to behave in the exactly the same manner, but we aren’t fighting against women, only feminism and feminists.

We can have people of all walks of life in our camp fighting for the human rights of all people to obtain/attain equality in whatever form that takes within their own social spheres.

The days of compromising is long gone. In my opinion, it is now time to be resolute!

As for CHS, I don’t really care much about her motives or ideals. She is tainted by her beliefs as a feminist, which is a line I simply cannot cross. She is a fence sitter in my opinion.

Why doesn’t she join forces with the other women who boldly claim they are anti-feminism?
She will get a huge amount of support!

I think that is a fair question for her to answer, if she wants to keep her credibility. Until then, she has none and doesn’t get my respect!

Razedbywolvs

It’s not the absolutists that have made feminism successful It’s biology. Men love women and will do any thing for them even if it’s self destructive. I’m not suggesting you compromise I would be strongly agents that. But dealing in absolute is dangerous. You can turn a potential ally in to an enemy.
A feminist wrought the book The Myth of Male Power. He’s not a feminist now but he was.
What about Tarrance Popp. He has said some things about Selective service and labia platy that are contrary to the MRM beliefs.
Dealing in absolutists could lead to you ending up in an ideology of one.

CHS. Well she wrought the book Who Stole Feminism. Some day I think she will come to the conclusion that it was never stolen. But swallowing red pills is not easy. Time and patients my friend.

Shrek6

Yes you have made some valid points there. I guess my absolutes are more about which side of the fence you sit on, not necessarily what arguments you wish to be involved in. So if I look at it from that point of view, my absolute kind of dissolves a little.

I guess I am very aware that we ‘MEN’ have for so long given way to women and compromised every aspect of our existence for women and at the behest of women. In fact, the majority of the male population are STILL doing this, which is why feminism is rife and female feminists range in age from 7 to 70 years of age and they are all very radical in their views.

To find myself now fighting for men’s human rights and to have to consider to continue compromising and rubbing shoulders with ‘the enemy so to speak,’ just seems a bit too unsavoury to me.

Razedbywolvs

It’s diffidently unsavory. But we are making grate progress. I can see it every day.
Anita Sarkeesian is a red pill factory. Every kid in the world hates her. The future is looking good!

Graham Strouse

I don’t really care what people call themselves. I judge people’s character on the basis of their actions. Hoff-Sommers grades out just fine in my book.

LaurieAC

Thanks for the clarification. That is terrible that someone misappropriated funds intended for a men’s shelter! I agree with you on your assessment of Christina. And I also agree with why children are acting out in schools- they are prisons for the “crime” of being under age.

Graham Strouse

I actually had a very, very good public school education. It helped that I lived in one of the richest counties in my state & my school had a very competitive (and lucrative) pay system.

DukeLax

“feminist media censorship”……that is a phrase that could catch on!!!

Junky

BAN FMC!!

DukeLax

“The political right will try and blame the political left”……….I say they already are!!!!!

crydiego

It is very possible that we have just witnessed the first live birth of a wild Honey Badger captured on video.

Is there a transcript of this available? Her presentation is very carefully composed and very precisely worded. While seeing and hearing this in a video format is informative and even inspiring, there are so many quotable lines in this that it would be a very powerful source of brief lines to be used as introductions to a great many topics, as well as excellent examples of clear thinking on them.

The very same thing happened to me when I submitted a comment on TGMP. An editor asked me to make an article of it, which I did. I subsequently watched as they changed the title three time, and started editing the content. When I sent emails asking them why this was done, I received no reply. The article changed a number of times, each time, in response to female commenters. The article was along the lines of “Things that good fathers can do with their sons.” It soon more or less became, against my will, an article of how mothers can be good parents to sons. A number of commenters complained to me that the article did not address women. I replied that this was because I was addressing fathers and sons. I got approximately three comments of “but you aren’t glorifying women” I, wrote a reply along the lines of “I chose to focus on Men and boys, and I don’t need to include women.” My comments ceased to be allowed through. I quit in disgust, and continuing my search, I found AVFM the same day.

So would you agree that it’s not about “good feminism” or “bad feminism” but the real problem lies in the fundamentals of feminism per se ?
Someone has eloquently analogized the structure of feminism to a house of cards.
If it was not for culture’s inherent gynocentrism it should have collapsed long back.

I’ll be brief. The very fundamental premise of feminism, regardless of it’s variants are as follows:

1. Women as a class are (and have been) systematically disadvantaged, relative to men, as a class.
2. Men are the cause of this disadvantage.

This is known as “Patriarchy Theory.”

If we agree that men and women are of equivalent moral value, and believe in fairness, then based on the above, it it natural to want to redress the situation to one of equity, and the obvious solution is to grant advantage to women, so that as a whole they have the equivalent of men’s.

The problem is that the premises are false.

Men and women have both had advantages and disadvantages, rights and duties. Both have had benefits, and the social duty to pay for them.

Equity Feminists claim that Feminism is merely about “equality of the sexes.” Equality in what? Either conditions, or moral value. We agree that our moral value is equivalent, few do not. That fight is over, they’ve won, and deservedly so. That leaves equivalence of conditions. As a whole, that fight is over, they’ve won, again, deservedly so. Now that they’ve won, however, the cause has become subject to the Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

The only way that one can accept Feminism, in any form, is by accepting the first two premises, which are merely a one-sided gynocentric point of view that ignores the androcentric point of view. The truth includes both the gynocentric and androcenric point of view.

Everything, after that, without exclusion, is merely starting with a conclusion and looking for rationalization to support it.

Andybob

Mr Roy,
I especially appreciated this reply to a hand-wringing feminists who petulantly complains that your article makes her feel left out:

“Men and boys are worthy of being spoken of on their own, you know; it is not necessary to refer to females in all subjects. Men are good. Boys are good. Men and boys are good. And we can talk about men and boys in a positive light, without having to ask permission from or include women.”

Regardless of how succinctly and reasonably you explain your choices for the article, she keeps coming back to whinge about the same points over and over again in the obvious hope that you will give in and agree with her that you should have included cooking, needlepoint and macramé in your list of activities that fathers can enjoy with sons.

As I was reviewing the article, I looked up this person’s blog. To her credit, she, for the most part, has abandoned the notion of “privilege.” Good for her.

MrSonicAdvance

Or as big red might say “It’s not all about you, Ms Entitled!”.

Dan Slezak

Hmmm, sounds too me like somebody has left their flank open. AVFM could launch the first salvo and go ahead and publish this egalitarian’s paper right here.

The first one.

nestmeister

Laurie A. Coutoure appears to have a background, training and professional life that excactly mirrors my own. My currently work in family violence sounds very similar to her work.

The frustrations she describes are exactly what led my to my MRM ‘awakening’ just over a year ago, when I began working with a series of solo dads who had al experienced violent female partners who abandoned them and the kids – leaving the kids heavy traumatised (solo mums are our usual clients).

Professionals around me blamed the kids’ behaviour on the dads, and not on the violence and abandonment of the mum. Mum, however deplorable her behaviour, could not be held accountable for any of her actions.

There were no services for these guys. Only me. And I am the only male worker at our service. My research led me to the manosphere, and ultimately to AVFM, where my 20 years of education and professional training unravelled in a big angry mess, and also changed my perspective on the female abuse I grew up with (which no part of my education ever allowed me to talk about, nor did I ever get a second of training on working with male victims).

I hope to contact Laurie as we appear to be professionals in the same field that are on similar journeys.

Bewildered

Mum, however deplorable her behaviour, could not be held accountable for any of her actions.

Dr. Phil can help you here !

Any woman’s bad behaviour towards a manis in response to men’s bad behaviour in general{whatever that means !} ! She can’t be held accountable because she’s merely settling accounts[doesn’t matter even if you as the unfortunate victim are a latter day Jesus Christ or at the very least a decent bloke !]

Dagda Mór

Ohhh I’d a few run-ins with that glassy gazed scumbag behind Upworthy, they usually followed the same pattern, complain about misandric articles, he bluffs, stonewalls, blocks, all of the feminists and SJWs in the argument have a group huddle about being “triggered”.

Senare Damer

The plan is to move to the Swedish like economic model globally. The elites have been pushing this for years. The low information voters kind of know and kind of don’t know what this means. In other words, they know it means more free stuff, but they don’t know the long term cost. Don’t think for a second that conservatives aren’t in on the deal. Modern politics are nothing but a dog and pony show. If you’ve ever watched professional wrestling, then you know how modern politics work. It’s all about staging false conflicts for personal gain. It’s all about showmanship.

So what does it mean to move to the Swedish like economic model? A massive increase in welfare services for single mothers, the destruction of marriage for all but the privileged, sky high taxes, increasingly misandric laws and policies, tanking birth rates, Stalinist like feminist rule, government for and by the political elites and the replacement/control of the indigenous population through mass immigration, abortion and birth control. It also means you’ll be legally, physically, socially and economically annihilated if you have anything negative to say about it. But that makes sense, right? That’s how totalitarianism works.

Japan, Singapore, the Netherlands, Taiwan, Scandinavia, Canada, the UK, the Middle East, France, Spain, Germany, Hong Kong, S. Korea, the US and others are all well on their way in converting to this model. In terms of mass immigration, Japan is the great holdout – but they too will eventually be assimilated. Countries with populations that present a risk to conversion to the socialist model are being flooded with dependent immigrants. Why? They’ll vote for increased government dependency (AKA: Socialism).

What’s funny about the whole thing? People still think that the NWO is a conspiracy theory. Misandric laws and policies are being carefully tweaked to accelerate the NWO goals and to marginalize the segment of the population that presents their plan with the greatest risk. Who’s that? Men. Why the false rape, wage and DV stats? Divide and conquer. The elites know the stats are false, which is why they like them so much. Make for great propaganda. Fun stuff.

If you’ve been wondering why misandric laws and policies are being so hastily created, wonder no longer. The gender war was created for a reason. It’s all about divide and conquer. It’s all so simple. Single women and single mothers as a whole with gladly vote for socialism and gladly vote for laws and policies that favor women over men – which is why it’s so important to have as many of them in the victim class as possible. Same plan goes for minorities. Makes sense, right? It’s all so simple.

Feminists and the PC left have a stranglehold on the elite, powerful, naive white knights and will completely destroy any public figure that speaks against them, be they male or female. Those same elite, powerful, naïve, cowardly white knights will gladly throw the male population under the bus to appease women, to reduce their own competition and to keep their own jobs. It’s all about power and control.

Welcome to the new world, gents. There are a myriad of fraudulent, yet very legal ways in which your life can now be completely destroyed through relationships with women. You can now be destroyed at work, at play, at school and at home. Expect things to get much, much worse for men. Recognize that this was the plan all along. Divide and conquer. Mitigate the risk men represent through marginalization of their gender.

It’s all so simple.

Jack Strawb

“The plan is to move to the Swedish like economic model globally. The
elites have been pushing this for years. The low information voters
kind of know and kind of don’t know what this means. In other words,
they know it means more free stuff, but they don’t know the long term
cost.”

Can you be a little more specific about what a “Swedish like” model is, and what the long term cost to which you refer is? I’m fairly new to the MRM and I haven’t heard of this. Thanks.

plasmacutter

Requesting citations for all of this.

Senare Damer

Every day, there’s another report of a teacher raping a male student or conjugating with a neighbor’s underaged son. Why? From personal experience, I was taught, as a lad, that an adult woman having sex with me was paramount to a blessing from God himself. Women are taught that the same thing happening to them is tantamount to murder.

Want to know why there are so many more men in prison when compared to women? Because men do women’s dirty work and because men are idiots when it comes to female psychology. If men, en masse, let women fight their own battles, withdraw their protection and resources and force women to earn their own keep, the imprisonment levels between men and women will level out.

Had I known what I know today, three women would have been imprisoned and registered as sex offenders for life.

Most now know that the wage, rape and DV stats are entirely false and misleading. I look forward to the time when men start having women expelled, fired, imprisoned and or socially and economically ostracized through lack of provable consent, false harassment, false DV and wage disparities. I will unabashedly relish these moments and I will work tirelessly towards these ends.

It’s time for men to open the victim playbook. It’s time for men to start fighting fire with fire. I want to become a true oppressor.

Senare Damer

“WHY did men so readily surrender many of their privileges in the face of angry demands for equality and systematic discrimination against themselves? At The Brussels Journal, Richard Cocks blames the innate male impulse to help women in distress:

What happened when women in the early sixties cried for help? The mostly male Congress and Senate acted almost immediately and passed laws to ease women’s access to the job market. As men have always done, we seek to be the hero and savior for women. However, this time there was a twist. Women claim to be victims. So far so good. However, if they are victims, who are the oppressors? The men have turned up, eager to attack the enemy; eager to defend womankind. Where is this nasty oppressor? Who is it exactly? The response, of course, is YOU are. You, the man, are the oppressor. It can’t be anyone else.

This sets up a conflict in men which is entirely driven by traditional expectations of the male role. And it sets up a war within men themselves, not just between the sexes. This is the basis for modern male self-hatred.

The male reaction to feminism is strong evidence against feminist claims of oppression.”

One day, the totality of the pathologies inherent in feminism will be given a name. I can’t wait to hear it spoken.

ronthebuilder

Intitular victimal praesulitis?

Bewildered

“The male reaction to feminism is strong evidence against feminist claims of oppression”
Epic ! This indeed is the clincher.
This stark truth stares everyone in the face but people keep blathering about this so called “oppression of women”.

MrSonicAdvance

This will bite women on the arse when they manage to kill off that instinct.

bloke

“One day,the totality of the pathologies inherent in feminism will be given a name”
It’s called Narcissism.

It’s about time we start to refer to “The Good Men Project” for what it is, The Good Sham Project. And a feminist sham at that.

MrSonicAdvance

Will AVfM be publishing the original article, without the feminist censorship?

LaurieAC

Still no response to me from TGMP as of 10/17/14…

Astrokid

Laurie.. FYI in case you are unaware..
TGMP has mostly a female audience. It has pretty good ranking (5600 in US, 17900 Global), but the audience-demographics section is very revealing. Its ‘greatly over-represented’ by women, and ‘greatly under-represented’ by men.http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/goodmenproject.com