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Cards That Offer Irreparable Game States And Troubling Situations!

Mutavault

Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:56 AM

Mutavault

Zach Burnz

Duelist

5514 posts

Ok so I got to thinking how someones favorite win condition could be...just getting opponents a loss for a play function an example of this one was an easy mst vs. trap dustshoot but that was a judges decision when shortcuts were made this could very well be sorted out however... what about a card such as...

Drop Off:

When your opponent draws a card they lose the card immediately that they drew.

Simple enough but what if say your a speed demon and shuffle like those "cool people" and soon as you grab it you shuffle it many times around back and fourth making your cards fan and other cool tricks but then disaster strikes within a second of this you were hit by Drop Off and now...Which card did you just draw? Of course your gonna tell them it was said card but is opponent gonna buy that? Doubt it so when you get into an argument judge will eventually have a disaster of a situation to solve. If you do get the head judge to agree with your argument "they should have said something that they were going to activate something in their draw phase" however opponent can argue that "if I said that he could end phase mst the drop off" Now judge has to pick a story and make a judge call literally. It gets even more complicated when you say this was said card and you could easily be lying now too and throw your wind up hunter in grave when conveniently you have a rat to go along with your hunter that was "dropped". Does this seem fishy now? All because everyone thought asking for response in drawphase was gone because of dustshoot.

Other cards that can cause headache are...

Parasite Paraside: lol you cut deck opponent cuts it right to top or 1 card off. Whats a judge gonna say "don't use this ever?"

Exchange: You both have same color sleeves your opponent picks a Tour guide and doesn't use it ever gets their hand big you win eventually and they shake your hand all smiles and such their card was given back turns ago but...you forgot all about your tour guide from your win and your opponent being cool with you and they make small talk and you guys talk say good luck etc... opponent lost the match but left with a nice parting gift.

Yu Jo Friendship and Unity: A combo that forces a handshake, what if a person has Acute Paranoia (can't be touched by others) or hand looks very disgusting or has been a big dick to you the whole game and want to punch them the last thing you want to do is shake their hand. How would a judge sort this out especially if a person lies and says they have condition etc...

Question: What if someone looked through their graveyard and made it an "accident" to switch the first monster with something else and when they still have it in your hand you play the card and set it down on the table. Another judge problem to resolve.

I don't see why cards like these with player interaction possibilities and cards that can be troublesome if shortcuts were taken can really be a part of this game and in future things like these need to be taken into consideration.

white-bordered swamp

Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

white-bordered swamp

Like 8th edition or something?

+Necro Moderoid

11763 posts

Drop Off is similar to Trap Dustshoot. The shortcut is to assume that nothing is being done in the draw phase since that's what is done 99% of the time. The correct way to Drop Off would be "Enter my end phase, response?" Your opponent would say "no" (so now you don't have to worry about MST). Then you would say "Ok, then in your draw phase I'll Drop Off."

As far as Parasite Parcide goes, the fairest thing to do would be to shuffle the deck without looking at it.

If my opponent took a $100+ card with Exchange I'd be damn sure not to forget about it. Don't know what else to say there.

Friendship + Unity: See Atem's post.

Rearranging the graveyard is illegal because Question exists. if your opponent activates Question and it's clear that they've rearranged their graveyard, and I would rule it as an illegal activation (returns to the hand, cannot be used for the remainder of this game).

im'a beetle!!

Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:47 PM

Can't you have the judge do it with his eyes blindfolded? Yeah he coudl have some sort of affiliation with one of the parties but he shoudln't and should just not give a fuck.

Could you also just switch out the sleeve for the same one and have a judge watch their hand to see when they draw it?

Although I guess there is the chance he may also be using the card in which case maybe the judge should keep six in their possession, each set marked differently with a sharpie. (only used when swapped in)

InfusionsCap

Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:14 AM

InfusionsCap

Ground Duelist

»Retired Staff

3838 posts

All the examples given are older cards, which gives me hope that cards like this aren't going to be printed in the future. I would say that they are thinking ahead, but that runs the risk of giving them too much credit. Interesting topic though.

Byte

Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:37 AM

Byte

LuckSack

Loyalist

3054 posts

Yu Jo Friendship and Unity: A combo that forces a handshake, what if a person has Acute Paranoia (can't be touched by others) or hand looks very disgusting or has been a big dick to you the whole game and want to punch them the last thing you want to do is shake their hand. How would a judge sort this out especially if a person lies and says they have condition etc...

Reminds me of someone everyone called ketchup kid in my locals... Apparently he was gross and when Dan faced off vs him at a regionals or something he wouldn't even duel him, just scooped up his cards and left.

BigDongStudios

Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:39 AM

BigDongStudios

BiggerDongSmallerStudios

Duelist

1769 posts

Lmfao Yu-Jo Friendship. I was in a win-a-mat at YCS providence, and played a guy using skill drain garbo.dek. Game 3 he went first, used it, and gave me a shit-eating grin as he flashed "Unity" in his hand. I shook the fuck out of his hand.

white-bordered swamp

Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:27 PM

I fully expect to hear about someone like josh graham doing the Exchange trick at every YCS now.

This was done in Teledad era its nothing new, its just something you have to be weary about. And since you can't take notes anymore you have to remember they have it.

Note taking is not allowed in KDE sanctioned tournaments, with the following exceptions: - Players in sanctioned Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG tournaments should keep a record of both players’ Life Points for each game. - Tracking of mandatory effect reminders.- Tracking of turns and turn counters.

I'm pretty sure "getting my card back after the duel is over" could qualify as a mandatory effect reminder.

Byte

Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:13 PM

With Yu Jo Friendship and Unity you could literally sit there and wipe your ass in front of the opponent. I kind of laughed while typing that, shows my immaturity I guess.

You could also use cards like Blasting Fuse since the majority of people don't make zones clear. You could probably re-arrange their monsters just by asking to read them.

I fully expect to hear about someone like josh graham doing the Exchange trick at every YCS now.

you know, you could still do that and get to your opponent and not use unity + friendship. You get the opportunity to shuffle your opponent's deck. =] wipe the snot from your nose, scratch your ass, pop some zits, be as gross as you can be then be like gimme your deck to shuffle please. >_>;

Kefka Palazzo

Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:25 PM

With Yu Jo Friendship and Unity you could literally sit there and wipe your ass in front of the opponent. I kind of laughed while typing that, shows my immaturity I guess.

You could also use cards like Blasting Fuse since the majority of people don't make zones clear. You could probably re-arrange their monsters just by asking to read them.

I fully expect to hear about someone like josh graham doing the Exchange trick at every YCS now.

you know, you could still do that and get to your opponent and not use unity + friendship. You get the opportunity to shuffle your opponent's deck. =] wipe the snot from your nose, scratch your ass, pop some zits, be as gross as you can be then be like gimme your deck to shuffle please. >_>;

And then I call a judge and you get penalized for unsporting conduct...

BGBK

Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:35 PM

With Yu Jo Friendship and Unity you could literally sit there and wipe your ass in front of the opponent. I kind of laughed while typing that, shows my immaturity I guess.

You could also use cards like Blasting Fuse since the majority of people don't make zones clear. You could probably re-arrange their monsters just by asking to read them.

I fully expect to hear about someone like josh graham doing the Exchange trick at every YCS now.

you know, you could still do that and get to your opponent and not use unity + friendship. You get the opportunity to shuffle your opponent's deck. =] wipe the snot from your nose, scratch your ass, pop some zits, be as gross as you can be then be like gimme your deck to shuffle please. >_>;

And then I call a judge and you get penalized for unsporting conduct...

Then you call a judge and get DQ'd for not letting me shuffle your deck

Kefka Palazzo

Posted 28 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

BGBK

Posted 28 March 2012 - 02:48 PM

BGBK

0o0o0o0o

Duelist

666 posts

So you think I could call a judge anytime during a match and randomly say that my opponent wiped his ass therefore can't shuffle my deck? AND get him a penalty out of that? What is stopping me from doing that whenever I want and going x-0 during a YCS (exaggerated)? Not quite sure what exactly a judge would say/do but you definitely won't be getting your opponent penalized......

Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:18 PM

iSalty

Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:56 PM

Byte

Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:37 AM

Byte

LuckSack

Loyalist

3054 posts

Is it you?

No. No it is not.

And both of you are over exaggerating what would happen. Far as I know the kid I am talking about doesn't do it for that purpose. I did hear a story of Dan sitting down for a match, kid did something gross, Dan says screw this and scooped up. Did not want the kid touching his deck. I could see someone seeing this and trying to duplicate it for wins. Or maybe that kid IS doing it on purpose. I dunno I never met him, just heard stories around my locals. *shrug*