fickenchucker:We just got back from Seattle and Vancouver, BC. Talk about seriously farked up restrictions. all we wanted to do half the time was eat lunch at a brew pub, and it was like trying to get the kids into a strip club.

Where were you trying to eat? Most brew pubs I know are very kid-friendly. They can't sit at the bar, but they can definitely come in and sit at tables.

abhorrent1:downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian? Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property. I'm sure its not every state or city. As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).

At least in Wisconsin if a minor is with their parent, they can drink at restaurants and bars as well. At least I remember hearing that at some point.

I agree and participated in such activities while living in Wisconsin with my parents in High School.

In the Great State of Ohio, a minor is allowed to possess and/or consume an alcoholic beverage if given to them by and in the presence of a parent or guardian. See it on the regular in my college town.

bingethinker:Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

So basically, a routine day for the cowardly douchebag cops. Arresting a real criminal is dangerous, you could get hurt. Hassling this guy is way safer. Even if it makes you look like a pathetic schoolyard bully.

Kind of except I'm sure they were getting paid overtime by the Cardinals to be there to enforce the drinking laws of the State/Municipality/Stadium etc. (There are only 10 such days a year on which they can get said overtime to hassle people... well 91 if you count D'Backs games... and I guess a few more for college games too... so actually yeah, it was a routine day after all.)

I had just turned 21 a few months prior and a group of us were going to drive down from where we lived in Vermont down to Boston to catch a BoSox game. I was the only one of the group that was over the age of 21 at the time, so I was looking forward to being able to drink at Fenway and laugh at my friends because I was able to enjoy a nice cold beer during the game while none of them could. We get to Fenway, find our seats, and then I immediately head over to a concession stand to buy my first beer of the day. I of course get carded and proudly hand my ID to the guy behind the counter. He looks at it and says sorry but he can't serve me and points to a sign behind that stand that reads if you have an out of state ID, you have to be 25 to buy alcohol in Massachusetts. I was pissed and my friends are the ones that had the laugh at my expense instead.

/CSB//was many, many moons ago, dunno if the law is still that way or not

abhorrent1:downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian? Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property. I'm sure its not every state or city. As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).

At least in Wisconsin if a minor is with their parent, they can drink at restaurants and bars as well. At least I remember hearing that at some point.

I have a WI servers license, and yes this is the case, parent/guardian/spouse over 21. However a bar has the right to refuse service, so they can decline to.

The only real tricky thing our class couldnt decide on was serving a pregnant woman. Everyone was in agreement that if a pregnant woman wanted a small glass of wine or a beer or something they probably would serve them, but after that would decide to cut them off, BUT, technically pregnancy is a protected status, so refusing to serve a woman because she is pregnant is discriminatory, in a legal sense. But everyone agreed that regardless of the law, if she wanted to make a stink and sue, just take your story to the news media and you look like the hero.

fickenchucker:abhorrent1: downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian? Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property. I'm sure its not every state or city. As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).

At least in Wisconsin if a minor is with their parent, they can drink at restaurants and bars as well. At least I remember hearing that at some point.

Wisconsin law is kids can drink with their parents any time, any place. But those kids cannot later leave their parent's vicinity until they can register 0%.

We just got back from Seattle and Vancouver, BC. Talk about seriously farked up restrictions. all we wanted to do half the time was eat lunch at a brew pub, and it was like trying to get the kids into a strip club.

Are you sure about the anytime, anyplace bit? I would be shocked if that applied to someone else's private property where the owner objected.

MileHigh:Alcohol laws in this country are complete stupid...a case in point:

CSB

I had just turned 21 a few months prior and a group of us were going to drive down from where we lived in Vermont down to Boston to catch a BoSox game. I was the only one of the group that was over the age of 21 at the time, so I was looking forward to being able to drink at Fenway and laugh at my friends because I was able to enjoy a nice cold beer during the game while none of them could. We get to Fenway, find our seats, and then I immediately head over to a concession stand to buy my first beer of the day. I of course get carded and proudly hand my ID to the guy behind the counter. He looks at it and says sorry but he can't serve me and points to a sign behind that stand that reads if you have an out of state ID, you have to be 25 to buy alcohol in Massachusetts. I was pissed and my friends are the ones that had the laugh at my expense instead.

/CSB//was many, many moons ago, dunno if the law is still that way or not

Drinking age should be 18 AND a high school diploma.

If at 18 you can legally:-vote-get married-do porn-sign a contract-own a gun-serve in the military/fight for your country/die for your countythen why can't you drink?

Alcohol is the new tobacco in this country. The day is coming, mark my words, when those back sections in restaurants that used to be reserved for smokers will be where they sit you if you want to drink alcohol with your meal. Beer and wine in stores will be relocated behind the cash register and they'll pass laws that make it illegal to serve alcohol in establishments where minors are allowed.

MileHigh:Alcohol laws in this country are complete stupid...a case in point:

CSB

I had just turned 21 a few months prior and a group of us were going to drive down from where we lived in Vermont down to Boston to catch a BoSox game. I was the only one of the group that was over the age of 21 at the time, so I was looking forward to being able to drink at Fenway and laugh at my friends because I was able to enjoy a nice cold beer during the game while none of them could. We get to Fenway, find our seats, and then I immediately head over to a concession stand to buy my first beer of the day. I of course get carded and proudly hand my ID to the guy behind the counter. He looks at it and says sorry but he can't serve me and points to a sign behind that stand that reads if you have an out of state ID, you have to be 25 to buy alcohol in Massachusetts. I was pissed and my friends are the ones that had the laugh at my expense instead.

/CSB//was many, many moons ago, dunno if the law is still that way or not

Still the same as far as I know. Had that exact experience at a concert at Greatwoods but I was 24 at the time.

I just asked a random local to buy me a beer and he was cool enough to do so. I was old enough to drink it just not purchase it.

Tricky Chicken:Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

/DNRTFA

It is ALWAYS this. If they were real tough guys instead of prissy douchebags, they would have the guts to hang out in the rough neighborhoods and try to make them safer. Instead, they want to tase somebody for BS "non-compliance" for the power trip.

I think it should be a requirement that every officer should be tased at the end of his shift once for every time he tased a civillian.

Allow me to offer another explanation: Perhaps the cops are just too stupid.

ShawnDoc:Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian? Or is that only on personal property?

In Texas:Sec. 106.04. CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL BY A MINOR. (a) A minor commits an offense if he consumes an alcoholic beverage.- (b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the alcoholic beverage was consumed in the visible presence of the minor's adult parent, guardian, or spouse.

ReapTheChaos:Alcohol is the new tobacco in this country. The day is coming, mark my words, when those back sections in restaurants that used to be reserved for smokers will be where they sit you if you want to drink alcohol with your meal. Beer and wine in stores will be relocated behind the cash register and they'll pass laws that make it illegal to serve alcohol in establishments where minors are allowed.

You're deluded. There's way too much money involved for restaurants to give up serving.

TheGogmagog:miltoncharles: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

If you opened it on the way out of the supermarket, then yeah.

Used to be a law.. uh.. somewhere I lived.. that even checkout clerks at the grocery stores couldn't touch alcohol. Customer had to drag it over the scanner and bag it him/herself. At some stores, even that wasn't allowed. Had to wait for a supervisor to do it.

//stupid laws

In Ohio, you need to go to the cashier that looks older than 21 or they have to get a supervisor to ring you up (or even the bag-boy if they are over 21).

Minors aren't allowed to pick out or carry the beer in the store even after checking out (same with lottery tickets).

However, as far as I know... a parent can serve beer/wine to their child even in a bar or restaurant but the waitress has to serve the beer to the parent.

/not a lawyer. It came up in a discussion at work and someone looked it up.

It's 18 to be able to scan beer in a grocery store/lived in Ohio for 7 years//worked at a grocery store for 5

I remember waiting tables in college in Oxford, MS, and some teenagers ordered wine with dinner (with their parents). I had no idea they could do that. Turns out if you are 16 you can drink with your parents.

ReapTheChaos:Alcohol is the new tobacco in this country. The day is coming, mark my words, when those back sections in restaurants that used to be reserved for smokers will be where they sit you if you want to drink alcohol with your meal. Beer and wine in stores will be relocated behind the cash register and they'll pass laws that make it illegal to serve alcohol in establishments where minors are allowed.

If restaurants were able to sell tobacco as 3 or 4 times the price of the store and people would sit there for hours buying more and more tobacco it would still be legal to smoke in restaurants. If you take away alcohol sales food prices either go up fairly drastically or the place closes.

Chinchillazilla:ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

Chinchillazilla:ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

If you think its normal to be a part of your parents alcoholism then what you have are parents who failed./Your contribution to society thus far is bad.//and you should feel bad./// but your parents should feel the guilt and shame.

BizarreMan:Stupid on the dad's part. But even stupider on the cops part. Just imagine if they had waited a few minutes. They could have actually caught the minor in the act of drinking the beer instead of just holding it. Or even if the son hands it back, they can get the small bust.

Stupid rule anyway.

I'm all for the law, but this seems to be a "spirit" vs. "intent" kind of issue.

If the kid is holding the beer for about 10 seconds is completely different from the same kid having the beer in his possession for a significant measure of time (and the law was to prohibit adults from buying alcohol for kids).

Yes. I know a 19 year old who got arrested and charged for underage possession for carrying a 24 pack of beer from his moms car to their condo when a cop saw it. It ended up being an expensive an annoying thing for the family ot fight.

BizarreMan:Stupid on the dad's part. But even stupider on the cops part. Just imagine if they had waited a few minutes. They could have actually caught the minor in the act of drinking the beer instead of just holding it. Or even if the son hands it back, they can get the small bust.

Stupid rule anyway.

I hope I'm on the jury when some peabrained prosecutor brings a chickenshiat case like this to trial. If my powers of persuasion aren't enough to sway my fellow jurors to acquit, I'll at least hang the jury. I'll have the satisfaction of screwing with the win record of one of these idiots and costing them whatever amount of money it took to prosecute something this stupid.

Carth:ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Yes. I know a 19 year old who got arrested and charged for underage possession for carrying a 24 pack of beer from his moms car to their condo when a cop saw it. It ended up being an expensive an annoying thing for the family ot fight.

And people think the cops won't enforce Obama's martial law he will be putting in place next year.

After moving to London from the US last year, I'm constantly amazed at the difference in attitudes are re. drinking.

It's summer here and every sidewalk is packed with after work crowds drinking in the streets outside the pubs.

Nobody really cares if you crack open a bottle or beers on the trains, in parks, or other public places. You can buy beers and walk along the Thames river in tourist central... in Times Square you'd be tackled. At fairs and festivals, there's no high security designated drinking zone or use of wrist bands, etc.

As long as nobody is out of control, the cops don't care. And kids can be in pubs, up to a certain, if they behave themselves - stay away from the bar - and only drink shandies!

joninaz:After moving to London from the US last year, I'm constantly amazed at the difference in attitudes are re. drinking.

It's summer here and every sidewalk is packed with after work crowds drinking in the streets outside the pubs.

Nobody really cares if you crack open a bottle or beers on the trains, in parks, or other public places. You can buy beers and walk along the Thames river in tourist central... in Times Square you'd be tackled. At fairs and festivals, there's no high security designated drinking zone or use of wrist bands, etc.

As long as nobody is out of control, the cops don't care. And kids can be in pubs, up to a certain, if they behave themselves - stay away from the bar - and only drink shandies!

Check out Paris on a summer night. Hundreds of people lining the seine drinking and just hanging out in the nice weather.

Por que tan serioso:Chinchillazilla: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

If you think its normal to be a part of your parents alcoholism then what you have are parents who failed./Your contribution to society thus far is bad.//and you should feel bad./// but your parents should feel the guilt and shame.

Yes, because everyone that drinks or serves alcohol at a party is an alcoholic. I think your parents are the ones who failed.

Where I live, stores have the right to refuse to sell alcohol to a 21+ year old if he or she is in the company of an under 21yo. The explanation I was given by the store manager is that it gives the impression of the legal adult purchasing alcohol for the younger person.

aevorea:ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Where I live, stores have the right to refuse to sell alcohol to a 21+ year old if he or she is in the company of an under 21yo. The explanation I was given by the store manager is that it gives the impression of the legal adult purchasing alcohol for the younger person.

Yep, I remember dealing with this crap in Illinois when I was 21 or so and my girlfriend was 19. Both had to show ID's.

one of the dumbest things i ever experienced was at a nascar race in bristol tennesse(all you nascar haters can lick my scrotum) im close to 60 and tried to buy a beer at a tent outside the racetrack. grey hair and all. they carded me and my license was out of date,i had forgotten to renew it. they wouldnt serve me. i didnt give them a hard time about it but if that isnt seven kinds of stupid,what is. i guess i could have been one of those kids with some kind of progressive aging desiese but not likely. some areas of this country have just gotten unrealistically aggresive with the laws. when are we gonna see common sense prevail?

titwrench:Por que tan serioso: Chinchillazilla: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

If you think its normal to be a part of your parents alcoholism then what you have are parents who failed./Your contribution to society thus far is bad.//and you should feel bad./// but your parents should feel the guilt and shame.

Yes, because everyone that drinks or serves alcohol at a party is an alcoholic. I think your parents are the ones who failed.

TheGogmagog:miltoncharles: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

If you opened it on the way out of the supermarket, then yeah.

Used to be a law.. uh.. somewhere I lived.. that even checkout clerks at the grocery stores couldn't touch alcohol. Customer had to drag it over the scanner and bag it him/herself. At some stores, even that wasn't allowed. Had to wait for a supervisor to do it.

//stupid laws

In Ohio, you need to go to the cashier that looks older than 21 or they have to get a supervisor to ring you up (or even the bag-boy if they are over 21).

Incorrect. That's policy at some chain grocery stores, but Ohio law is 18 to sell closed containers, 19 to sell open containers, 21 to mix and pour.

Minors aren't allowed to pick out or carry the beer in the store even after checking out (same with lottery tickets).

IDK about lottery, but it is strictly illegal for under 21 to carry or transport alcohol without a parent present. It's also strictly illegal for a under 21 to share the cost of alcohol.

However, as far as I know... a parent can serve beer/wine to their child even in a bar or restaurant but the waitress has to serve the beer to the parent.

True. Also applies to a spouse. The trick, though, is that the liquor control assholes will wait until Mom/Dad goes to the pisser and then arrest Junior. Really.

/not a lawyer. It came up in a discussion at work and someone looked it up.

downstairs:ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian? Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property. I'm sure its not every state or city. As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).

In Ohio, it's legal for a parent to give a minor alcohol (assuming it's their child) anywhere. The establishment is free to say "not cool--knock it off", followed by a GTFO "we don't serve their kind here", but it's legal.

Knowing this was helpful when a dickish manager at SB eighty one decided to go full dickhead on letting the kids have a sip of our libations to try them. You'd think someone whose business is making sure his employer is in compliance with liquor laws would actually be familiar with said laws.

I knew I shouldn't have gone back when I ordered a rare steak and they gave me medium. When sent back, they gave me a nearly raw filet. LOVED. IT.