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Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who skipped the Redskins' voluntary workout program in protest of his new role on the team, will not attend the mandatory minicamp that begins Wednesday and wants to be traded, his agent said Tuesday night.

"The Redskins are trying to establish a new regime with new schemes at Redskins Park, and it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money," agent Chad Speck said in a phone interview. "He has made it clear to me that he does not want to play for the Washington Redskins.

"This situation will be a distraction to the Redskins and to Albert and his teammates. I am certain [head coach] Mike [Shanahan] and [General Manager] Bruce [Allen] want to get the most out of their first year and it's probably in everyone's best interests for the Redskins to make a deal and trade Albert."

For weeks, Haynesworth has privately expressed frustration to some teammates about the coaching staff's decision to use him as a nose tackle in Washington's new 3-4 defensive scheme, and told them he would not participate in voluntary activities as defined by the league's collective bargaining agreement.

Team officials maintain they have never discussed trading the two-time all-pro, but the Redskins have had talks with clubs interested in acquiring Haynesworth, according to people familiar with the situation.

Haynesworth missed all but one day of Coach Mike Shanahan's 47-day voluntary program, including six days of minicamps, 13 organized team activities and 28 days designated for lifting, according to a copy of the team's offseason schedule. In March, he attended Shanahan's introductory session to inform him he planned to train on his own.

Shanahan, who shortly after his hiring stressed the importance of his offseason program, acknowledged he was disappointed in Haynesworth's decision, but the NFL's collective bargaining agreement prohibits teams from fining players for skipping voluntary activities. The two-day minicamp is Washington's only mandatory event, and Haynesworth is aware of the potential consequences of his actions, Speck said.

I hope Shanahan and Allen promptly issue a statement that goes something like this: "Albert Haynesworth will not coerce the Washington Redskins into doing anything that does not make economic sense. If a trade offer that is commensurate with his value is not received, Albert Haynesworth will not be traded. For every day that he elects to violate the terms of his contract, he will be fined. If he elects to report and he is not in suitable shape to play, or he is reluctant to play in whatever capacity the coaching staff deems to be in the best interest of the team, he will sit on the bench. The next steps are up to him."

I hope Shanahan and Allen promptly issue a statement that goes something like this: "Albert Haynesworth will not coerce the Washington Redskins into doing anything that does not make economic sense. If a trade offer that is commensurate with his value is not received, Albert Haynesworth will not be traded. For every day that he elects to violate the terms of his contract, he will be fined. If he elects to report and he is not in suitable shape to play, or he is reluctant to play in whatever capacity the coaching staff deems to be in the best interest of the team, he will sit on the bench. The next steps are up to him."

Well, this changes things a bit, eh RI? I now have to eat every word of support I've had for AH thus far as well as every criticism of Jason for his "baseless" rumor mongering. He was right all along, I was wrong.

"[The Redskins] is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money"

"The Redskins are trying to establish a new regime with new schemes at Redskins Park, and it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money..."

Allow me to translate.

"Holy crap...you actually want my fat, overpaid ass to WORK? As in actual, committed WORK? I thought this was a Zorn-powered GRAVY TRAIN, not an actual job! WORK? F-that! I mean, damn...I could get HURT! Get me outta here!"

This is an extortion tactic. Hes trying to lower the asking price from the Skins and signal to other teams he wants to be pursued. The people who lose are those who trusted him and paid him for the hope of future play based on past play--performance we never got because he was too immature as a man to properly prepare.

PS - Sorry for double post earlier but looks like many of us are all having trouble

What a POS. He has no trade value at this point. Redskins should just eat his contract, send him down to the practice squad, and let him watch the NFL pass him by without playing another down. Then release him when he's too old to suit up.

I have never seen anything like this in my life. Maybe this is karma for Daniel Snyder. If he returns money, the only person who benefits is Snyder...if we can get value for him in a trade (doubtful) then the team wins. We got 2 first round picks for Sean Gilbert....AH is worth at least 1 first...likely two seconds...but that would be a blessing for this guy.

Now every team will offer the Redskins minimal value because they'll think he's going to be given away.

I say keep him on the roster all summer, fine him every day, and then put him on the Suspended/Did Not Report list (I think that's the name ... and I think it means the team doesn't have to pay his salary).

How was it handled when Riggins sat out a year, before showing up and saying "I'm broke and I'm back"?

If Haynesworth does get traded, here's hoping it is to a team with zero chance of winning, and preferably a team with no hosses on the defensive line who can take blockers off him.

Actually, the skins do have some leverage here, but not for a trade. Dude is under contract and will play for us or be fined, or retire. In any of these scenarios other than playing, skins can go after bonus money that's been paid out.

And as I eat my plate of crow, I'll continue downloading tracks from Drake's new cd.

I guess Prince Al's time as a redskin is "Over."

But not far from over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, this changes things a bit, eh RI? I now have to eat every word of support I've had for AH thus far as well as every criticism of Jason for his "baseless" rumor mongering. He was right all along, I was wrong.

"[The Redskins] is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money"

Well, then be ready to give some of that money back.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 15, 2010 8:29 PM

Move over you two. Make room at the table for me, I'll take my crow cold please. Fat phukin' Albert, you suck fraken nuts, lots of tiny fraken nuts. I hope you rot on the bench and they fine you the maximum amount allowable.

Dan is on the Phone right now telling him that he just Fedex'd a 60' TV so he can watch the game and eat himself into a nose tackle which is the only position he will play for any team the next 3 years.

Ok, this is just BS now. What recourse can they do if someone doesn't show up for a MANDATORY minicamp? He has a contract, let him rot, don't get undercut in a trade. This behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Given that I dumped my season tickets, I am laughing so hard right now. The Redskins are going to have to eat a chunk of this contract (in addition to the signing bonus) to get someone to take AH off of their hands. Just remember "fans" that every dollar you spend on tickets and Redskins gear goes to Dan Snyder and the folks he hires like Haynesworthless. I am just happy it is no longer my money going towards these misadventures. This franchise is a cold corpse and won't be resurrected until Snyder no longer owns the team.

If he doesn't want to play here (every other down, like we're used to from him), then fine. He can take his base salary from last year, return the bonus and I'm sure that Mr. Allen will be happy to try to find a suitor. Short of that, he can sit his fat, lazy ass on the end of the bench and watch his career wilt away. You can't be Reggie White when you can't get on the field.

Oh, and can somebody punch Vinny Cerrato in the mouth for getting us into the stupid sh*t?

Fat F'er!!!
This guy gives chumps a bad name.
The Skins need to hold on to his contract until he retires, then sue him. I could give a damn about Danny's dollars, just as long as Danny's shows off that 'dark heart' of his and ruins Fat boy's career..

What a moron... If someone wanted to pay me 43 million dollars I'd sure as hell show up for work.

The Skins should keep him inactive, on the bench, unless he's willing to repay the 21 million dollar bonus. There's no way any team would offer them decent compensation after this type of immature whining...

Normally, I would be upset when a player of his status takes the money and runs, but it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'm glad the Danny lost $31 million to this loser. It might convince him once and for all to stay out of football operations. On the one hand, I feel bad for Shanny...on the other, I'm happy that this may finally convince the Danny to keep his fingers out of the cookie jar.

Ok, this is just BS now. What recourse can they do if someone doesn't show up for a MANDATORY minicamp? He has a contract, let him rot, don't get undercut in a trade. This behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Posted by: tgerbracht

I agree with you there is no way he can take the money and just get a trade

wow, I can't believe I'm doing this, but I have to second the comments of, ahem, "Rahtard." To paraphrase, fine him and let him sit at home and cry us all a river. Geesh. I don't understand at all where AH is coming from. I don't get it.

Echoing the sentiments of the frustrated masses- what a classless tub of lard. Much as I'd like to be done with him, I'm not sure we can give in here. I wouldn't take less than a 2nd rounder for him. If we cannot get that, agreed that you fine him to the max and sit him on the bench. If he has any pride/balls, he'll want to play and report. Oh wait, he has no pride/balls.

On a footnote Albert Haynesworth used to be one of my TOP 10 favorite NFL players... Just a BEAST, but now he'll be known as the only player I have ever seen get CARTED off the field in a game & return because he was too F'N FAT to walk his A SS to the sideline.

AH is not a man. He's a selfish little boy who insists that everyone play the games his way because he's bigger (or richer). No wonder he's divorced. He's not a person you want around a true team trying to play above it's caliber of talent---which every great team does. Let's do what many have suggested and just let him rot on the PS. We get no trade value so let's just make a very, very clear example of what happens to such disruptors----send him to "TIME OUT".

Me thinks AH picked the wrong dude (MS) to F with. Bet MS will have his furnace face on tomorrow! History says AH will rue the day he did this. I'm sure Shanallen are gonna go out of their way to accommodate this clueless kid...NOT! Let the fining begin!!

Never Trade him is correct. He can end his career on the sidline or he can pay back the 26 million he received this year and all other guaranteed money. Fine him every penny allowed and if he does decide to play, play him only at nose tackle and if he doesn't play at full speed and with all the gusto of a rookie fine him some more. We can not tolerate punks like this in the NFL and certainly not on the Redskins!

Absolutely ridiculous. The Skins should and probably will sue him in order to recoup that large bonus he received earlier this year. Funny, he didn't mind taking the money for playing in a 3-4, but doesn't want to do the work for a 3-4.

On a footnote Albert Haynesworth used to be one of my TOP 10 favorite NFL players... Just a BEAST, but now he'll be known as the only player I have ever seen get CARTED off the field in a game & return because he was too F'N FAT to walk his A SS to the sideline.

They probably can not get anything in a trade for him since he has such a "FAT" contract, so let him sit out and get fined. Funny how these players talk about it is all just a business but don't want to do what is asked of them. For the money that he has been "GIVEN" he should be happy to do what ever is asked of him.

That's ok Snyder, just think of all of the money you saved by trying not to lure Warren Sapp and Lawerence Taylor out of retirement...why not just pay me next time...I have a better chance at sacking a quarterback than Fat Albert ever did!!

Can't believe AH gave the organization this out. Wow, Danny is living a charmed life. The longer he doesn't show, the better chances they have to get some of the bonus $$ back.

If no reasonable trade offer surfaces, I wouldn't trade him. I'd park his butt on some season ending failing to report list, and let him sit. The big bucks have already been spent..right. Maybe as the season progresses a team will ante up due to need.

I would've loved to see AH in an aggressive 3-4, but now in my eye he joins the ranks of Bailey, Pierce, Torrance..he's irrelevent to me.

Fine the fatboy. I wouldn't trade him. I'd bury him and try to ruin his career (not that AH isn't doing a fine job of that by himself).

So is the agent admitting that Fat Albert doesn't want to practice or otherwise work hard? He just wants to collect a big salary for waddling around on the field on Sundays and having to come out because he is winded ON THE FIRST DEFENSIVE SERIES.

I don't even consider a trade until fat boy pays back the bonus he received. His agent said it wasn't about money, so Fat Albert should be on board with reimbursing the Skins to make the trade happen.

Anger aside, it is going to be interesting to see how the team handles this tomorrow. They are getting pushed hard now after taking a wait and see attitude. Given how gushing the other defensive players seem to be it looks unlikely that a more inviting situation will emerge but they can wait it out more and max the fines while smiling and saying they hate to have to do it but he's doing it to himself.

OK, so maybe where looking at some posturing, and its not what it seems.

But I doubt it.

If Albert isn't showing up, its because he's FAT.

The most irresponsible person in this is Albert.

But ...

I'm also laying a big chunk of the blame on Mike Shanahan. It is the coach's responsibility to get the most out of his players.

And its most important to get the most out of your 'game changing' talents. There are only about a dozen guys that fit this description in the entire league. TO was a jerk, but he was also a game changer. Randy Moss, the same. Albert, the same

I'm pissed at Albert for not being a man. I'm pissed at Shanahan for not figuring out how to get Albert motivated.

I said when we signed Albert -- too many eggs, too few baskets. But I never expected it to be this bad.

The worst move the skins could make is trade him. Fine him, put him on the practice squad or any other comparable move. AH is right it's not about the money. This is about power. Fortunately, the team has a lot of power here. And when I say make him sit, make him sit out of the league for the duration of his contract. Let that be the story for a couple of years.

Say publicly, the team will not trade him unless another team picks up his contract at full value and pay his $32 million bonus -- even after he's sat out the entire 2010 season. I really don't think there would be any takers. Then, his ash can get as fat as he wants and we can at least smile as he fades into our memory.

Fat, slovenly turd. I've never seen anything like this in my 40 yr old life in the sports world. Fat turd takes $32 million of the owners money, now wants out of town because he won't play the same position but in a different scheme.

I hope you blow out your knee and never play again u slovenly fat tub of goo with a pack of hotdogs on the back of your neck.

I'm pissed at Albert for not being a man. I'm pissed at Shanahan for not figuring out how to get Albert motivated.

I said when we signed Albert -- too many eggs, too few baskets. But I never expected it to be this bad.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

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I have to disagree with you on this one. The only responsible person in this situation is Haynesworth. He signed a contract and he is obligated to fulfill that contract. Unless there was a clause in the contract that said the team would remain 4-3 he has no excuse. Besides he was complaining about the defense last year when they did play a 4-3. My guess is the worthless piece of crap was going to do this even if coaches did not change. The Redskins should either demand repayment of the bonus and then trade him for whatever they can get or keep him and make him inactive every game.

"I'm pissed at Albert for not being a man. I'm pissed at Shanahan for not figuring out how to get Albert motivated."

He is a game changer but AH didn't deliver when the oversight was lax. Why was it a bad idea to go the other way with more discipline when that is also obviously in the team's best interest? Playing to his selfish needs is close to a zero sum game over a 3-year cycle. You a few years of performance coupled with and unsustainable grief (TO)

zcezcest1 I can see where you're coming from. However,another perspective is that Shanny gained crazy big points with the rest of the team. He stood his ground on what he expects from every player, even with potentially the most talented player. I think his goodwill from the way he handled AH will go a long way with the team.

Score a few points and don't fjk around with the defense, and then I'll believe 11-5. The real snafu was changing things up on the defensive MVP who was paid 32-41 mil.

Posted by: SMACK1

Well then he shouldn't of accepted the 30+ bonus if that's the case. That's like getting offered a different job with your company, taking the bonus associated with the job, then complaining you're not right for the new job and quitting. I agree the defense shouldn't have been changed, but what he's doing is down right sh*tty and he'll find himself in court real quick.

just think of how much offensive line his payday could buy...we would rule!! Does having absolutely no fiscal responsibility automatically get you in to DC?!?!? Fat Al should refund the season ticket holders...how does he sleep at night?

Clearly all AH cares about are personal stats. I've seen him quoted on multiple occasions saying "I want to be the best to ever play the position", but I've never seen him quoted as saying "I don't care how many sacks I put up, I just want to win a super bowl."

So, don't trade him, sit him on the bench, inactive every single game. 0 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 snaps played should do a good job at ruining his "i want to be the best" quest.

If he knew he didn't want to play for the Redskins anymore, why did he wait until the day before he was expected to show at mini camp to put out word through his agent? Why did he accept the 32 million in April if he knew he wasn't going to participate with the rest of the team and had no intention of playing another snap for the Skins?

if he wants to act childish so be it. don't trade him and fine him every day is he refuses to play or practice. he is a disgrace. if i was paid what he was paid to play a game i would play anywhere they told me! remember when he said something like he wants to be best DL in the league? oh right.... that's right after he signed his contract and now he has pretty much said screw off!

if he wants to act childish so be it. don't trade him and fine him every day is he refuses to play or practice. he is a disgrace. if i was paid what he was paid to play a game i would play anywhere they told me! remember when he said something like he wants to be best DL in the league? oh right.... that's right after he signed his contract and now he has pretty much said screw off!

Just let the worthless piece of sh!t rot in he!!. Never trade this jerk. He has forfeited his rights by violating his contract. I could care less if the Skins get fair value for the assho!e. Either he plays for the Redskins or he never plays again, his choice.

Redskins. Play hard ball with Haynesworth. Do not trade him. If he refuses to play or do things within his contract, then you have grounds against him.

It is time that pro athletes abide by their agreements and play the game they are paid to play.

Hardball. Any time Haynesworth violates any provision of his contract, fine him. Dock his pay.

Do not trade him unless he gives every penny back.

Posted by: laserwizard | June 15, 2010 9:51 PM

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Yep.

Except we would not be able to recoup every penny. Unless someone offers a realistic trade; then you take it!

On a different note, I find it interesting a lot of star FAs/players are not happy with their tenders or current contracts: L. Mankans, V. Jackson, and D. Revis to name a few. Are teams reluctant to offer guaranteed money or long term contracts because of a pending lock-out???

zcezcest1 I can see where you're coming from. However,another perspective is that Shanny gained crazy big points with the rest of the team. He stood his ground on what he expects from every player, even with potentially the most talented player. I think his goodwill from the way he handled AH will go a long way with the team.

Posted by: TWISI

Sure, there are some gains. But great coaches know they need to get the most out of their great talent. That's how you win.

How much of a difference will it make Shanahan gets 100% out of Robert Henson? Not much. But, this team COULD have the #1 defense in football if Albert plays to his potential.

I am definately in the fine him and make him sit camp. I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to give up anything remotely equal to what we have invested in him. He is now the bigest piece of tainted goods in the world of sports now. He deserves to be completely black listed from the NFL, but unfortunately there is always some team willing to give these selfish a-holes another chance. If all the owners in the league banded together to make an example of him, It would make other selfish jerks think twice about pulling this kind of bulls__t. but that will never happen.

We've criticized defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth the person many times since he decided to try to shred the skin off Andre Gurode's forehead like so much cheddar cheese. Haynesworth simply is not a good person, in our opinion, and he reminds us of that from time to time.

Most recently, his decision not to report for a mandatory minicamp barely 15 months after the Redskins gave him a contract with $41 million guaranteed and barely two months after they cut him a check for $20 million demonstrates conclusively that, yes, the man is a turd.

This isn't about trying to get a newer, bigger contract. Haynesworth got one of the biggest contracts ever given to a defensive player, and now he doesn't want to earn the money he already has received.

And the Redskins can't claim they didn't know what they were getting. After his 2006 incident with Gurode, which resulted in a five-game suspension, Haynesworth tried too damn hard to convince people that he had changed. Then, he put the pedal to the metal in 2007 and 2008 through a contract year and a franchise-tag seasons, playing like a madman in the hopes of scoring a huge contract as a free agent.

Now, Haynesworth has decided that he wants to join a new team, after cramming more than $30 million of Daniel Snyder's money into his pockets. Hopefully, no one will offer the Redskins so much as a conditional seventh-rounder for the guy. And anyone who does deserves what they get.

Even more hopefully, the Redskins will hold Haynesworth's feet to the fire, fining him and suspending him and doing everything within their power to force him to behave. Though they'll ultimately be unable to collect many of the millions they've given him, they need to make a point to current and future players in the hopes of saving millions more down the road.

For now, the Redskins can fine him roughly $10,000 for skipping the minicamp. If he stays out when training camp rolls around, the number increases to more than $16,000 per day.

They also likely will be able to pursue a portion of his signing bonus. But since he received only $5 million in a traditional signing bonus, what he'd have to repay pales in comparison to what he's already received. (We're in the process of confirming that the signing bonus repayment obligation applies not only to training-camp holdouts but also where the player skips a mandatory minicamp.)

All that said, it's impossible for us to feel too badly for the Redskins, given that they apparently tampered with Haynesworth before he officially became a free agent -- and because anyone with an ounce of common sense knew or should have known that Haynesworth is a sack of headaches waiting to happen.

Halsell said Skins are out the $21M they paid AH on April 1. He said they should call his bluff and see if he is committed to hold out of TC and be disgruntled during the season. Trading him is a no win for Skins because he would go elsewhere for cheap and the Skins probably won't get much in return.

Getting here late but I have to say good work J Reid, I doubted you and thought the media was just making news. Man was I wrong. I agree with everyone, this guy is a real c*nt.

This is a big deal for Shanny and how he handles the situation. He needs to stay strong and draw a hard line and not trade him as many of you have said. I pray to everything holy that they keep him, keep paying him, and make him rot on the bench for the rest of his contract with us. How long does he have left? Snyder already made him rich and he is in no way paying him back so lets essentially end his career by keeping him on the roster and making him inactive for each game.

I can say this easily b/c I hold grudges, am a prick, and its not my money, HA.

Make no mistake, this will cost Albert serious $$. He's already got a very big paycheck, but no one will ever give him serious money again. He got $40mil from the Skins, but he'll never see the other $60mil on this contract. Nor will he ever get it from anyone else. No one will trust the jerk.

Its a huge mistake.

But I'm not letting Shanahan off the hook. Great coaches find ways to work with prima donnas all the time. Guys like Randy Moss and t.o. have a shelf life, but coaches find a way to make it work, if only for a few seasons.

"Most recently, his decision not to report for a mandatory minicamp barely 15 months after the Redskins gave him a contract with $41 million guaranteed and barely two months after they cut him a check for $20 million demonstrates conclusively that, yes, the man is a turd."

Changing to a 3-4 is a great idea. Not changing for the sake of one player is a bad idea. This entire Fat Albert thing will just be an ugly memory in a year or so... it'll likely be #1 on the NFL Network's Top Ten free agent busts. In the meantime I hope haynesworth rots. We could have signed 3 top-flight O-lineman for the cost of his contract. Eff him.

I keep him and pay him whatever I owe him and sit him on the bench for the duration of his contract. If some other team steps up and offers something in exchange for him; I announce publicly what that team has offered and then I publicly turn down the offer.

If AH argues or acts up, I fine him the maximum that I can; and I deactivate him. I sue him in court and force him to spend lots of the $$ I gave him on slimy lawyers who would also love to suck his $$ dry.

Because its personal, I don't care a lick about the $$. I'm a multi-billionaire and I will not be disrespected like this. I'm happy to pay out millions from the team's coffers in order to destroy and railroad his career.

oh my f-ing god! what a pos! no f-ing way do we let albert out of his contract. force him to waste the best years (potentially) of his career on the practice squad.

i was in the "leave albert be" and "he'll be back and ready to ball" and "he's only missing VOLUNTARY workouts" and "he's NOT holding out" camp.... heck, i foolishly took him at his f-ing word when he said all those things (i'll do what they want, i'm not going to be a distraction etc...).

so, does anyone know what the MAXIMUM fines are for missing mandatory workouts is? is there a maximum fine?

if this goes on 'til real training camp, are the maximum fines different? there must be some sort of players union rules about this?

Because its personal, I don't care a lick about the $$. I'm a multi-billionaire and I will not be disrespected like this. I'm happy to pay out millions from the team's coffers in order to destroy and railroad his career.

And I'm pretty sure the fanbase would not have a problem with that.

...and this fan would not...

Posted by: p1funk | June 15, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Co-motherf*ckin-sign. Danny didn't get to where he is because he isn't ruthless. Funny how now I'm rooting for that side to come out. I think 92 is going to regret doing this.

For now, the Redskins can fine him roughly $10,000 for skipping the minicamp. If he stays out when training camp rolls around, the number increases to more than $16,000 per day.

Since they apparently tried to trade him for a 2nd and failed. I'd hold on to him and fine him until he showed and then make him inactive for the next 3 years and then cut him loose. His contract for the first 4 years is 48 mil. That would be a rather nice F U to AH.

Fine the bastard until he's brooke. Once he reports (his wife or one of his mistresses will make him.), go Full Metal Jacket on his fat a$$. Have him stand on the sidelines with his pants at his ankles, a blanket draped over his shoulder and make him suck his thumb. This is a man's game and if he wants to be a baby treat him as such.

To everyone who posted comments supporting Haynesworth by saying things like, "all he's doing is missing 'voluntary' workouts," and "we don't have any evidence he isn't a team player," eat your words. This fat slob stomped on another players head. How much of an angry hot-headed pr'ck do you have to be to do something like that?
So what should the skins do? Fine him until he's broke. F'ck that assh'le right in the f'cking ear!

what a joke! This could ruin his chances to get a good deal anywhere else. He may be able to go back to the Titans, but its going to be tough. He's a waste of space and doesn't belong in Washington!!! See ya!

Wow has this guy played the skins like a drum! He's gotten more than enough dough to never have to play again and his selfishness will ensure that no other team gives the Skins squat for him. Heck, they may just wait until Washington is forced to cut him.

The problem with leaving him on the active roster for the season is that would count him as one of the 53, even if he were not on the game day roster (45) ever. That's screwing the team, not just the player.

Surely there are options for dealing with a DT who even before six months of idle wasn't in good enough cardiovascular shape to play through a full defensive series.

Wow has this guy played the skins like a drum! He's gotten more than enough dough to never have to play again and his selfishness will ensure that no other team gives the Skins squat for him. Heck, they may just wait until Washington is forced to cut him. Way to Go DANNY!

oh my f-ing god! what a pos! no f-ing way do we let albert out of his contract. force him to waste the best years (potentially) of his career on the practice squad.

i was in the "leave albert be" and "he'll be back and ready to ball" and "he's only missing VOLUNTARY workouts" and "he's NOT holding out" camp.... heck, i foolishly took him at his f-ing word when he said all those things (i'll do what they want, i'm not going to be a distraction etc...).

so, does anyone know what the MAXIMUM fines are for missing mandatory workouts is? is there a maximum fine?

if this goes on 'til real training camp, are the maximum fines different? there must be some sort of players union rules about this?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 15, 2010 10:35 PM |

Umm Walter?

For those of you suggesting the practice squad:

1) He is ineligible, he has been active for too many years for that
2) If he were eligible and placed on the practice squad any team could sign him off of it for nothing.

He holds some cards, but he also wants to be known as one of the best DL to play the game. The cards the Skins hold is to not trade him and keep him in-active for the next two - three years and not let him have the stats he wants.

He holds some cards, but he also wants to be known as one of the best DL to play the game. The cards the Skins hold is to not trade him and keep him in-active for the next two - three years and not let him have the stats he wants.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 15, 2010 10:51 PM |

I'm all for this but it creates 1 obvious problem which is then we have a 51 man roster.

I say we let him keep the money if he agrees to have a foot or something else career ending amputated. That way he doesn't screw anyone else over. I'm sure there are plenty of POed fans that would do the deed for free for him. (of course he wouldn't do it...it would require he fulfilled a contract, which isn't a strong point for him.)

scamp,
hmmm....i wasn't aware of those practice squad caveats..... well, i'm sure experts can come up with a really vindictive way of stomping on his f-ing head. frankly, i'd say it's worth keeping a roster spot for him, just so we can fine him $16,000 per day during training camp and the regular season. i know it's small-minded and short-sighted and cutting of my nose and all that, but man....

Is Fat Albert sure that Danny-boy doesn't have any mob connections? People have worn cement shoes for far less. They might decide that maybe he's heavy enough and his ass is wide enough to plug up a certain leaky pipe in the gulf.

Redskins teammates begin to tee off on Haynesworth
Posted by Mike Florio on June 15, 2010 10:57 PM ET
Though they've yet to go on the record, at least two of Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth's teammates have begun the process of making their feelings known regarding Haynesworth's decision not to show up for a mandatory minicamp, which comes on the heels of an offseason of decisions by Haynesworth not to show up for work.

As one player told Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan in D.C., "[Haynesworth] loves money and not football. He is a great actor. Actors get paid a lot of money."

Another teammate was more concise, simply calling Haynesworth an "ass hole."

We suspect that it'll only get more interesting once the players show up for the minicamp that opens tomorrow.

Someone start a fansite dedicated to our favorite ways to see that Haynesworth is injured so badly he'll never play again. For instance entries might include, "someone pays to have Haynesworth's Achilles heal cut with a switch blade."

Someone start a fansite dedicated to our favorite ways to see that Haynesworth is injured so badly he'll never play again. For instance entries might include, "someone pays to have Haynesworth's Achilles heal cut with a switch blade."

The only thing more nauseating than AH right now are all the knob-polishers who keep posting "hip hip hoorays" for JReid.

The man did his job. He gets paid to do it.

Stop.

Posted by: p1funk

i love this...you basically insult the man for "doing his job", accusing him of making stuff up, feeding fake news all the other baseless siht you love to pontificate on like some RI version of Cliff Claven and then can't even pony up and admit how unbelievably wrong you have been in like 361 posts
well can't say i am shocked....

i sure as heck wish we had found a suitor around draft time...even a third rounder....back when it was a real possibility (and yes it was...)and going into summer had already turned the page (segar!)

Thanks scampbell1975 for reminding us about the inpracticality of using the PS as a punishment but i think we are all saying to just park the dude somehow.

You have a good point about losing a player with a dead spot but there is also value to the organization in making a lesson out of him and forcing someone the league to give us value to get him (he's practically guaranteed himself an incentive laden contract from here with his unwllingness to deliver for the Skins so he might not like the message).

You have a good point about losing a player with a dead spot but there is also value to the organization in making a lesson out of him and forcing someone the league to give us value to get him (he's practically guaranteed himself an incentive laden contract from here with his unwllingness to deliver for the Skins so he might not like the message).

Posted by: Cookie4 | June 15, 2010 11:17 PM

I agree with this 100% as I stated earlier. Can't let him get away with it or every other dbag that wants to get traded will pull a Haney.

Maybe there's a semipro team somewhere in eastern Europe that would like AH. Consider it economic assistance. Pay him, send him off on TDY, make him coach youth league. Keep him busy for 2-3 years, bring him back, and see if he can survive training camp then. Give him a talk show on one of Danny's radio stations so everyone can hear him make (more of) a fool of himself. Then trade him to Detroit for like $50.

"My number one goal has always been to help my team win -- period. It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths."

Translation: Haynesworth was fine playing inside for a 4-3 scheme, but has no interest in playing nose tackle and taking on double- and triple-teams on a regular basis."

My translation: "I say what my agent tells me to say to keep the heat down but i DO what i need to to be sure I GET ALL THE GLORY --- F this team BS--It's all about ME and what I get because if it were about the team I'd have been in camp all along . . . as any idiot can see . . andy way do i even need to explain myself to all you poor people."

If I were Snyder I'd eat the rest of that P.O.S.'s contract just to ensure he never played another down in the NFL again!!! The Skins may not be able to take his money, but what they can take are the best years of his life!! Biggest contract for a defensive player in history and this is how he repays the team!!?? What a f#%kin scumbag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I admit to ignorance on NFL contracts but it just seems like a plain breach of contract that should allow for some successful legal avenue. I guess that's what "guaranteed" means but there has to be SOME clause of some type in his contract to be able to collect that. I mean, I know the dude is alive but wouldn't there be at least some employer criteria (lower than, say, making the Pro Bowl each year) to collect what is called "guraranteed" money?

What I'd like to see here is an extremely aggressive legal pursuit that starts with a motion to freeze his assets. He has NO public sympathy, likely no league sympathy and from the face of it appears to be in breach of his employment agreement. The union would be forced to defend him to protect the rights of other players in other (more legit?)situtations but with public support so strongly against AH it could push the union to push AH to actually get his azz to work.

Thus begins Act II, entitled either "Our Young Hero Takes A Stand Against The Forces of Evil", or conversely, "Callow Youth Goes Astray", depending on which side of the fence you're straddling. Albert charitably recommends he be freed from his contractual bonds. Tomorrow we shall see a saddened Father Mike address the congregation on the good old values of loyalty to Team and Country.

You're right, it's all about the shekels. Albert wants to keep a firm grip on the Wages of Sin, and Dapper Dan is already marshaling the lawyers.

it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money,"

OK so be it Big Al and agent....so give back the money you didn't earn you fat F&%k! What a d$ck head! I hope the Skins can stick it to this guy....if he wants out then good PAY BACK 90% of The money!!!!

This makes me furious for stupidly defending Haynesworth and believing he would show up in shape and help the team this season.

Furious.

But looking beyond the fury, I'm not entirely sure what the Skins can do here, and I'm positive the team's motivation shouldn't be to avenge their wounded pride or embarrass the player or anything along those lines. Being vindictive about this will accomplish nothing.

So count me among those who've posted that we should dump this dude this season, taking the accelerated cap hit (whatever it is) on the uncapped year, and get whatever we can in return...

AH never played a 3-4 and the only experienced nose tackle in a 3-4 the Skins have is pushing nearly 400 pounds on a severed achilles and hasnt played in a year.
Some fingers should be pointing blame at Shanahan for hiring a 3-4 Def coordinator even though the player (AH) that commands nearly 4/5ths of the Defensive payroll has never played a 3-4. Haslett was a bad hire by Shanahan.. When shopping for a D-coordinator, Shanny should of looked at the player's skill sets the Skins had under long term contract.. And what their experience and strengths were, before selecting Haslett.

You design your scheme to the talents and skills of the players on the roster. Bruce Allen should recall that his Dad was great at doing this.. You dont force an unfamiliar scheme on veteran player.

...and I agree with zeke that at least to some extent this is a situation of a coach valuing his scheme over his players...

You have a guy one season removed from being universally acknowledged as the best defensive player in the game, and you can't find a way to make him excited about playing for you in the new scheme you're installing?

I can't recall hearing anything about Shanny and Haslett trying to reach a middle ground with Albert... it's their right to run the show however the hell they want, of course, and ultimately this is about a player acting like a friggin' baby, but I'm not thrilled that THIS is how things are turning out in a situation which seems like it could've gone differently.

Do not trade him. Suspend him and do not pay him another penny. Do what Philly did with Owens. I know he has been paid but set an example from this fat pile of S&%*. I have never seen a richer loser in my life.

kudos to "Da Mayor" for intimating this story for day one of the VTAs!

I hope they just eat the $$ and bench his SJK. Hey, he's got every right up to this point to abstain - but now Stompy is violating his contract, no?

[WaPo, what's his contract say about violating team & league policies?]

Unfortunately, there seem to be some continued poor management choices that lead to this, even w/ this new management. I mean, I see why they think they have to play it this way.. but still - there had to be some other options.

In the meantime, see ya fatty! Now we don't have to endure people exaggerating your impact.

Posted by: SteveCzaban | June 16, 2010 12:04 AM

You put Coles Moss above Lloyd? You now have no credibility whatsoever. Also, DHall isn't anywhere near a top 5 bust. At least the guy plays and does fairly well. You also put George below Randle El...at least El was a number 2 wide receiver while George was just #2.

Well, I said that AH would show up, do what is required of his contract, and when he is on the field, perform as he usually does.

I appear thus far to have been wrong saying that. This puts a very interesting spin on the whole thing. It all really comes down to the verbiage in his contract, and the official NFL-approved categories of "He ain't here" the Redskins can put him in.

Think about THAT one for a minute. "Physically unable to perform", since he didn't take his physical? "Did not report, retired"? What other interesting options are made available to the Skins due to AH's (on-going) self-defeating behaviors?

His agent must feel they are in a position of strength (or can't convince AH its a bad idea to not report, and has no choice but to play the hand dealt him) by agreeing with his client to not report (assuming he actually doesn't). Does his contract have a clause that says he doesn't have to report if he feels he was lied to/disrespected/told he was not to have to play in anything but a 4-3 here? If it does, what kind of idiot FO would allow such a clause? (Rhetorical; we all know the answer...)

I can't see how AH can even say that he doesn't want to play in whatever scheme the Skins are implementing, because he hasn't been around to see what it is! If he came in, took a look and a taste, he might even say, "You know, this has potential to be great for me!"

I think the next few days, weeks and month are going to be fascinating as this plays out. As of tonight's escapades, he's unlikely to ever play another down for the Skins. So it will be a struggle over the money, and his value in trade (which, again after tonight, is too low to even discuss), and how long the Skins can force him to sit... The permutations branch so rapidly it makes my head spin.

To everyone who posted comments supporting Haynesworth by saying things like, "all he's doing is missing 'voluntary' workouts," and "we don't have any evidence he isn't a team player," eat your words.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise

fwiw, NONE of us KNEW what was going on. There was lots of guessing, some people guessed right.

Me, I always knew I didn't know. My comment was that I didn't care as long as Albert showed up at the start of the season ready to play like the monster he can be. And that was part Albert, part Shanahan.

But no question now, what Albert had his agent do, Albert is not being a man.

Also, its worth noting that Al Davis, as owner, benched a HOF player who had ticked him off. Ironically, it was about the last guy you'd guess based on personality. Davis made a healthy Marcus Allen a backup in his last 3 years for the Raiders. When Allen was traded to KC, made the Pro Bowl his 1st year there and averaged nearly 10 TDs a season in his final 5 years with KC.

"You have a guy one season removed from being universally acknowledged as the best defensive player in the game, and you can't find a way to make him excited about playing for you in the new scheme you're installing?"

Maybe he was the best defensive player in the game a couple of years ago; however, his year with the Redskins proved, without a doubt, that he was on the downhill slide - - even with the 4-3 defensive scheme he pretends to love. He had turned from an agile DE to an overrated piece of blubber who repeatedly needed oxygen to stay in the game and spent more time than not lying on his stomach

He was out of condition, and it affected his play.

What makes you believe this year would have been different, even if the 'Skins used a 4-3?

Haynesworth is an immature man in his 20s who believes the world owes him a royal living, regardless of whether or not he has earned it.

IF the 'Skins can afford to do so, they should put him on the bench, work his tail to the bone every practice, fine him the maximum for every missed day of practice - - - make him eat alone at a special table when the team is served prepared meals, be certain he is never taped up on game day, and put him at the tail-end of any line to use any of the equipment in the training facility. Oh yes, and put his parking spot well away from the other members of the team, ensuring he'll have to walk the maximum distance from parking to the building.

Finally, he's either left home or has the seat next to the toilets on the team's aircraft.

I find this very sad. Albert isn't owning up to being a man, which is pathetic. Wonder if his agent is playing games, but its hard to see there's much of an angle there.

I can't help but think it would have been different if Gibbs was the guy running the show. Albert needs a mentor, someone who he can trust in order to grow up. Money doesn't buy you that. Shanahan wasn't interested in helping Albert in the way he needs.

I look at the investment mgmt made in Sean Taylor, the person. Taylor could have been one of those guys who never grew up if the coaches hadn't believed in him.

Also, and this isn't a tiny point. The NFL free agency thing should be changed. There should be a 2 week period where teams can interview players before offers are allowed to be made.

You hire anyone for a job, and that person goes thru interviews. In the NFL, you hire a person for $40million and your interview process starts at midnight and is done before dawn? Its a stupid process. I'd been meaning to comment on that before, but sure seems like now is appropriate.

My apologies to everyone I've argued with concerning Haynesworth, I defended this Boy like he's my son, yet he proved me wrong. But mind you guys, I've said many times, "dead or alive Albert Haynesworth will be a Skin this year!" Well, I may still be right, because I'm very convinced Albert Haynesworth have picked the worst 4 groups of people to mess with:
1. Dan Snyder
2. Mike Shanahan
3. Bruce Allen
4. RI posters
Wow! I wish him good luck.
Haynesworth forgot his contract is only 48 millions in 4 years, Snyder already paid over 30mil of the 48mil, I'm very sure Snyder wouldn't mind to keep him with the team for another 3 yrs and simply pay him to
sit, just to prove a point, and that will ultimately end Haynesworth's career. And please do not blame Shanahan, had Haynesworth show up, I'm pretty sure Shanahan would have properly managed him.
What a loss!

One little point lost in this ... I gotta imagine Albert, being the jerk he is, tried to figure out how he could get under mgmt's skin just a little more.

I have this sense that he and his agent thought about this ... which media outlet should get this story ... in order to pi$$ off Snyder and Shanahan the most.

I'm guessing JRied got the story, not because he is the best reporter, but because breaking the story in WaPo will cause a few extra 4 letter descriptors to fall from the lips of Danny and his 2 degrees (MS and BA).

And as I eat my plate of crow, I'll continue downloading tracks from Drake's new cd.

I guess Prince Al's time as a redskin is "Over."

But not far from over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, this changes things a bit, eh RI? I now have to eat every word of support I've had for AH thus far as well as every criticism of Jason for his "baseless" rumor mongering. He was right all along, I was wrong.

"[The Redskins] is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money"

Well, then be ready to give some of that money back.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 15, 2010 8:29 PM

Move over you two. Make room at the table for me, I'll take my crow cold please. Fat phukin' Albert, you suck fraken nuts, lots of tiny fraken nuts. I hope you rot on the bench and they fine you the maximum amount allowable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 15, 2010 8:43 PM |

Since I was one of the first to support his "training on his own", I will indeed eat a large plate of crow.

I agree with several of you...no trade! Crush this fat piece of sh@t's spirit and end his career by letting him park his enormous arse on the bench for the length of his contract and fine him every f-ing day. Screw this A-hole!! I'm sick of these overpaid out-of-shape prima donna f-ers. I don't care if he could snap me in half...he's nothing but a spoiled pu**y and I'd tell him to his face if I ever get the chance. I say we absorb the hit for sheer spite and wreck his NFL career forever.

Narcissists are unlikely to be effectively mentored. As long as it is about them, all is well. When things go south (as they clearly have), someone else must be destroyed, cause it can't be their fault.

And he is what, 28? (29 tomorrow? Can that be right?) And still in need of mentoring?

Get rid of this loser! Shanny please trade him for... Jessica Simpson! At least she's a lot more easier on the eyes than Fat Albert... Plus at least she did a better job of taking Tony Homo out of his game! Fat Albert ain't worth the trouble get rid of him now before the cancer spreads!

Get rid of this loser! Shanny please trade him for... Jessica Simpson! At least she's a lot more easier on the eyes than Fat Albert... Plus at least she did a better job of taking Tony Homo out of his game! Fat Albert ain't worth the trouble get rid of him now before the cancer spreads!

He's a talented player, too. If all the "you better not have more than 2 sacks" crap is true, I think I see some legit concerns on Albert's part.

HOWEVER... If I were the Redskins, which I am not, I would fine him every possible cent and eat the roster spot, just to spite him. They wont get another over-the-hill wideout for him at this point, anyway.

I'd put his crazy ass on the practice squad, like I said months ago.

"Sit there and eat, fat boy. You're getting paid enough to at least do that."

Thinker, you can't put a tenured vet like AH on the practice squad, but you can send his ass home and tell him to stay there. I think they can go the first 4-6 weeks putting him on suspension for conduct detrimental to the team or something like that.

"Some fingers should be pointing blame at Shanahan for hiring a 3-4 Def coordinator even though the player (AH) that commands nearly 4/5ths of the Defensive payroll has never played a 3-4. Haslett was a bad hire by Shanahan.. When shopping for a D-coordinator, Shanny should of looked at the player's skill sets the Skins had under long term contract.. And what their experience and strengths were, before selecting Haslett. You design your scheme to the talents and skills of the players on the roster. Bruce Allen should recall that his Dad was great at doing this.. You dont force an unfamiliar scheme on veteran player. AH is wrong.. But so are the Skins in hiring the 3-4 Haslett.Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

Well, that's one way to look at it. The wrong way, unfortunately.

It's all speculation, but my guess is that Bruce Allen's dad would have run this guy out of town on a rail.

To me, this has been a divorce situation from the outset. Albert wasn't happy last season, complaining he got a disproportionate share of the blame for the team's struggles, when the culprit in his mind was Blache's scheme. The huge amount of money was never relevant to Albert. That was money he was owed, and as for the rest, well, caveat emptor.

You got to admire the sheer capitalism of it. Albert Haynesworth has a future on Wall Street.

You can bet Dan has been scheming on how to get some of the cash back, too.

One prediction: both sides will suffer before this is over. Then again, divorce never brings out the best in anyone.

Just get rid of Albert HAYNESWORTHLESS ASAP! We as fans know we got the bad end of the stick on this deal. If they cut this dude today, I won't be angry with the staff. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as a mistake and move on. If you keep this guy around he's just going to half-ass it throughout the season anyway. Yeah, he has a boat-load of talent but it will not be on display with the Redskins on a regular basis, if he's here.

This guy is a joke. No one ask him to play freaking cornerback! He is a big strong guy but a soft guy. History shows that anytime Haynesworthless encounter any type of obstacle he reacts poorly and unprofessional, e.g. from stepping on a player's head that battling him in the trenches to getting paid top dollars and not going to work. He can't holla "give me another contract!" so he uses the 3-4 scheme as an excuse. This dude is a first class BUM!

That Fat piece of crap! He took his $20 million and ran. Let this be a lesson to these teams to not pay large cash sums to these (fill in the blank). Things I can't say here. They already paid him the money so now fine his ass every day he is not in camp. Then maybe they can get some money back and piss him off.