mad as hell on thursday. thanks for watching tonight. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. remember, the spin stops. definitely looking out for you. developing tonight, a "the kelly file" exclusive. >> i thought i would be fake. >> very unrealistic. very unfair. >> this is not what we want. >> we're screwed. >> we sit down with seniors who were told they would not be able to keep their doctors or health care plans. >> you will hear from them and doctors they used to see about what went wrong here. plus, what's going on with the president's repeated promise. >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan. no one will take it away, no matter what. >> wait until you see what the white house is saying now. it only makes sense.

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if congress passes a law for all americans why wouldn't that apply to congress, too? tonight, senator rand paul's lonely fight to make it a reality. breaking tonight, fox news has confirmed that while the the president was promising you could keep your health care plan the white house has known for almost three years if not more that the promise wouldn't hold for millions of americans. we have evidence. good evening, everyone. i'm megyn kelly. americans heard this president say it over and over. if you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep them under obama care. many had doubts. one major concern that those buying insurance on the individual market, people without employer coverage would see their plans cancelled. why? those plans tend to be cheap with less benefits. obama care requires insurers to beep up coverage. that costs money. the fear was that insurers forced to offer more benefits would raise rates or dump policies all together.

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that's exactly what is happening. contrary to the president's explicit promises. listen. >> actually, any insurance you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep. so you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. i could keep my acme i insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. i would not be required to get the better one. >> but that's not what's happening at all. exactly what he said would not happen is happening. you are required to get rid of the acme plan. you are required to buy one on the, change and it is costing americans more. so far nearly a million policies have been cancelled. over ten million more could end soon. 14 million. with the american people now demanding answers you can keep your plan, period, today turned into maybe for most. for the majority.

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well, some can. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. here is former white house senior adviser david axelrod earlier and follow up from ed henry. >> most people will keep their own plans and you know it. the majority of people in this country, the vast majority of people in this country are keeping their plans. >> this morning david axelrod was pressed on the point and said the majority, the vast majority will get to keep their plans. he no longer works at that time white house. from the podium will you admit when the president said if you have a plan you will get to keep it and that was not true uh. >> well, let's be clear. the wha everybody said all along is there are going to be changes brought about that create minimum standards of coverage. >> right. then he also said if you like your plan you could keep it, period. we have dug up an irs form tonight from 2010 that shows this the administration knew that 10 million americans would not keep their plan, could not

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keep their doctor. yet the president went out as recently as 2012 and said if you like your plan you can keep it. meantime there is a regulation -- an irs regulation pushed by hhs, human services, that said estimated tens of millions would be dumped. mark thiesen from the american enterprise institute and speech writer for president george w. bush. this is it. it is one thing to say -- he said they were going to get to keep their plans, period. now this regulation shows that months after obama care was passed, july, it passed in march. july or before, i should say. they knew. they were estimating internally in the administration ten million people will lose insurance. >> you've got the smoking gun in your hand. they knew. when president obama looked the american people in the eye and said if you like your health insurance, you can keep your current plan, period, no matter what, that was a bald-faced lie.

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he intended -- in fact, i think they intended for these people to lose their health insurance. the reason for that is -- as you pointed out -- it will be up to 14 million people. why do they want them to lose insurance? they need them to move into the exchanges to subsidize poor people. the individual mandate is the most lucrative part -- excuse me, the individual market is the most lucrative segment of the health insurance industry because they don't use a lot of services and they are generally healthy. those are people they need to move into the exchanges in order to subsidize obama care. while president obama was going out there saying you won't lose your health insurance, period, all along they were planning for those people to lose their health insurance -- 14 million of them -- and move into the exchanges. >> as we watch the website fall apart, he dwunt have to worry. though the young people aren't signing up now because the website is a mess, he knows that they are being cancelled. that millions of americans will

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have no choice but to sit on that website for days on end eventually because he knows, as we all know now, that millions of americans are going to get cancelled. >> there's the uh rub. they didn't anticipate the failure of the website. if you are one of the 14 million or so people who are losing current health insurance you're stuck with two options. one is to pay these new premiums you can't afford because they are raising your insurance rates between 99% and 400%, or go into the exchanges except because the website doesn't work you can't get into the exchanges. what's going to happen is the unintended consequence is they are pushing millions of people out of health care they like into obama care except people can't get into obama care. so on january 1, you're going to have potentially millions of people who once had health care and no longer have it because of obama care. >> in that sound bite you have

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senator jon kyl asking the president what about the individual insurance market. what about people who have plans there. you are raising the requirements. that will cost more people cancelled. you heard the president specifically say it's not true. you can keep your acme plan if you like it. that is not true. mark, thank you. >> thank you. >> we have much more including this. in a "the kelly file" exclusive we sat down with a group of people from a growing group of americans losing their plans and doctors. we don't the know all of the reasons yet. we know the patients and figs believe it is due to obama care and they are not happy. >> i don't are want to change my doctor or go to another office. i'm happy. >> we got a letter in the mail. a cold letter. >> you get a letter in the mail? stating that the doctor is no longer in the plan. they don't give you a reason

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why. >> with your specialist, you have to find somebody different, too. there is a phone number in here. this letter that i can call. i'm saying, gee, what am i doing? shopping for groceries or what? this is a serious situation here. it's a health problem. >> this is not supposed to happen. they were supposed to be able to keep their coverage, keep their doctor who they have had relationships with for 10, 20 years. and the rug has been pulled out of these people. >> it makes you feel that a lot is not being told. about what it entails and how it will impact your life. >> government doesn't control people. we are human beings. they can run the white house, but they can't tell us what to do. what's in this letter is they are telling you what to do. i resent that. >> to start over again, it doesn't make it -- doesn't make

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sense. does not make centimeters. this is not what we want. this is not right that the government is dictating to me what i have to take. >> i thought i would be safe. i thought i would have insurance going forward. now i see it's a different ball game. >> particularly for seniors who need medical care the most. they probably see their doctor more often in a month than most middle-aged or young people do throughout the year. it's not fair to shake up their world in this way. >> you need a doctor who understands who has a heart. they don't care for the old people. they let them go, let them die. we all have to die sometime, we know that. but not when they say it. >> we have a bunch of 85-year-old people who are confused and angry. who's listening? i hope somebody. >> matt bennett, former white

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house deputy assistant and chris plant host of the chris plant show on wmal. chris, your thoughts? >> i hate to say "i told you so" but i think this is what republicans have been raising red flags about for three years now. honestly, this is one of the greatest bait and switch scams that america has seen. maybe any country has seen. if this were a private business or an industry that promised you can keep your doctor, keep your health insurance, it's going to save you $2,500 a year and you pougt it and found out none of this was true, people would be going to jail over there. the republicans have been the bad guys -- >> this has nothing to do -- >> go ahead, matt. >> this has nothing to do with the aca. you said it at the top. this is medicare. >> advantage. >> medicare advantage. these people had changes to their medicare advantage administered by private

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insurers. this wasn't the government taking away doctors. these were people who every year this happens. medicare advantage changes -- >> it changed thanks to obama care because they reduced the payment under medicare advantage. >> well, yes, right. but those payments change all the time. it's just a coincidence that it's happening at the same time as the rollout of the aca. people in the media are conflating these things. >> not just the media. >> wow. >> patients and doctors believe it is related to cuts made to medicare advantage. chris? >> that's an extraordinary fallback position for the democrats, but it is laughable on its face. okay? everybody is getting notices in the mail. like waiting for your draft notice to find out based on your lottery number. i got my letter last week. i self-insure. when obama care passed i was paying $321 a month. now as of last week it's $537 a month for myself.

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the woman with whom i live in sin also self-insures. our health insurance payments are now more than the mortgage payments. >> right. >> these guys knew it was programmed to do this all along. >> that's ridiculous. >> it's a scam. >> ridiculous. >> matt, there is a regulation that we are looking at now. internal revenue bulletin that says right here that this is july of 2010 when the administration had this july of 2010 obama care was passed march of 2010 where they specifically estimate that over 70% of the individual insurance market could have their plans cancelled because of obama care. >> there is a good reason for it. first of all, the president was talking about people with insurance on the individual market in march of 2010. these are grandfathered. it's half of the individual market. >> but they are anticipating that the grandfathering won't work, that it will not cover over 70% of those in the market. >> the way the individual market

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works insurers cannot raise premiums under hipaa unless they cancel people. so every year they cancel them and -- >> you're making my point. they saw it coming as they were telling everybody they could keep the plan and keep the doctor. that's the problem. they shouldn't have said that. >> not only was it foreseeable. it's programmatic, built in by design. it was knowing, deliberate. i don't know how many ways i can say it. they knew all along. nanne see pelosi said we have to pass this piece of legislation to find out what's in it. >> we are finding out. >> we passed it and now we are finding out. >> i have to leave it there. we'll have you back. matt, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> still ahead sh president obama called massachusetts the model of a great health care system. should we worry the bay state could be on the verge of going single payer? that's next. and after a gunman shot up a christian wedding, lashings over

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when you hear the folks saying, oh, no, no, this is a tax, a burden on middle class families. let me tell you. we know because the guy i'm running against tried this in massachusetts and it's working just fine. >> that was president obama in 2012 promoting the fact that he

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modeled obama care after massachusetts health care plan. now massachusetts and vermont are talking about getting rid of the national health care system by creating their own single payer systems. at least it's being discussed. joining us now radio talk show host and columnist at the boston herald michael graham with an insider perspective. we have heard it in the massachusetts legislature as now senator jamie eldridge, a democrat, testified that he believes they should implement a universal medicare plan in massachusetts. that's single payer. that's what many people believe obama care would lead to on the federal level. what say you? >> well, it's funny. he's a great guy. he voted for romney care, supports obama care. then you do the math and he says all i wanted was single payer in the first place.

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that's what obama care supporters default to. they are watching the system collapse and the math doesn't work. in massachusetts we are the most expensive state in the country. want to be more expensive? be like us. it's 60 to 120 days for your first doctor visit. took me 60 days for my first appointment. it's so bad we have had three tax hikes since romneycare was implemented because the cost of state government health care exploding. 25 cents on the state dollar covered medical for us when romneycare passed. now it's more than 40 cents of every dollar the state collects paid out to romneycare. the system is breaking. >> the argument against it, we discussed it last week with the panel, if this was the plan for single payer and that's you get insurance from the feds.

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if this was the deal where we move to single payer how would it work? obama care seems to be collapsing on itself or in danger of that. >> the famous "saturday night live" sketch with christopher walken, more cow bell. this is more government cow bell. no matter how badly they screw it up, more. we have something in massachusetts call add global payment system. they changed the name. they say megyn, we'll give your doctor a certain amount of money. if you go one time, ten times or zero, the doctor gets the money. they are trying to control costs. they can't control it because they keep pouring government money into the system. single payer skip it is middleman, takes it from the your paycheck and gives it to the doctor. >> people believe that's where this is headed. whether the website is a

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disaster or not. >> we have 15 state senators of 40 now ready to vote for it now in massachusetts. in vermont it is supposed to happen by 2017. >> michael graham, thank you, sir. >> thank you. if you are just joining us while the president was promising that you could keep your health care plan if you liked it the white house is known for at least three year that is the promise would not hold for millions of americans. so why did he keep coming out and saying that? we have the memo. it's july 2010. we'll have more on that in a minute. breaking news, in one of the biggest state house battles of 2013 next. americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. listening, planning, working one on one. to help you retire your way... with confidence.

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a texas-sized brawl over a new abortion law in the lone star state. a judge ruled part of the law that was passed is unconstitutional. trace gallagher reports. >> two parts of the law were challenged. one to get admitting privileges to a nearby hospital. that would shut down one-third of all abortion clinics in texas because hospitals are unwilling the to give admitting privileges to doctors who don't admit patients and hospitals with religious affiliations won't allow doctors in the first place. the judge agreed saying the acts admitting privileges is without a rational basis and places obstacles in the path oh of a woman seek ing an abortion of a nonviable fetus. the texas alliance for life says the judge's ruling denies common sense. listen. >> we think that's very

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important. in the event of a serious complication after an abortion the physician should be able the to follow that woman to the local hospital where he can continue to treat her. but that's not possible if the physician doesn't have privileges at a local hospital. >> planneded parenthood challenged the requirement that doctors who issue the abortion pill must follow fda guidelines saying they are outdated and dangerous. the judge left the guidelines in place except in extreme cases where doctors would not be legally bound by them. the judge knew this would be appealed. in fact, he said it would go to the supreme court. texas attorney general greg abbott has appealed already to the fifth circuit court in new orleans. democratic texas lawmaker wendy davis gained attention by filibustering the law and is applauding the judge. davis and abbott will likely face off in the next texas

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governor race with this being a major issue. >> it already is. thank you. for more we are joined by alexis mcgill johnson from planned parenthood federation of america. the business about whether the doctors need ed admitting privileges at the clinics where the women would have abortions, this is the argument the other side brought. why shouldn't they have admitting privileges? what if something went wrong. wouldn't you want the doctor performing the abortion to have privileges at that time clinic? >> regardless of what happens during the abortion process, and we hope those instances are rare, any hospital will accept a patient. any hospital will accept someone who is in need. it would be against their oath. what the judge did in this case is say it is up constitutional to put these medically unnecessary burdens in front of women when they are having a safe and legal procedure. >> now can you have a facility in texas where none of the

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doctors have admitting privileges where abortions are performed? >> yes. that's true. >> doesn't that concern you at all that you could get an abortion -- >> admitting privileges within a certain range. i think the restriction was somewhere upwards of 30 miles around a center. it's not that doctors don't have admitting privileges anywhere near a health center. they are doctors. they have admitting privileges, period. >> i asked you before the segment because the thing weapon di davis was upset about, one of them, was where the line is draup on legal abortions in texas. they made it 20 weeks. there was a debate about whether it should be extended to 26 weeks as was the case. and as is the case in most states of the union. texas made it 20. is that being challenged now? >> it's not being challenged. i think most people, including planned parenthood will be taking on a lot of challenges around the 20-week bans.

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what this law was about, what this specific provision was about admitting privileges. it was about whether or not we should be allowing medical abortion as opposed to surgical abortion which we believe is all evidence points to the fact that it is increasingly much safer for -- >> i know you focus on that point. for the most part you have lost on that. you have to follow the guidelines. >> yeah, but the -- >> i want to ask you about that. whether people should be cheering wendy davis, her filibuster in arguing that healthy, viable -- potentially viable fetuses can be aborted at 25 weeks and 26 weeks. >> they are not viable. >> they're in there, sucking their thumbs, yawning. >> they are not viable outside the wom the womb. >> this is t not about -- >> give me a real answer. eye gnome not taking a position. but it is a fact that a 26-week

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old fetus is kicking, yawning, sucking its thumb. that baby -- that fetus can be aborted. planned parenthood want it is baby to continue to be aborted. perfectly he will the think with no developmental defects. >> no, megyn. what planned parenthood wants is the right for every woman the to make this decision, a very difficult decision in consultation with her family, her doctor, her god. >> but you have to draw the line somewhere. >> the line was drawn by the supreme court. 40 years ago. we are adhering to the law. with bills like hb -- across the country have been trying to do is under mine a woman's right. it's trying to -- sp it under mining her right to choose or restricting it? there is eliminating it which is unconstitutional. >> it is putting an undue burden that might as well make it a right in name only. it's taking a woman in lubbock,

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texas who has to travel 350 miles to el paso for a procedure. it's like me driving to virginia. it's an undue burden we are putting on women. that's the obstacle we are talking about. >> planned parenthood did say you can't do that with the admitting privileges. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. next we'll show you the evidence the administration did know millions of americans would lose their health care plans even as the president specifically promised the opposite. we have it in writing. plus, bus loads of unhappy coal miners descending on washington at this moment. one joins us live just ahead. [ male announcer ] it is more than just a new car...

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breaking tonight, just about an hour ago fox news confirmed that the administration knew as early as 2010 that millions of americans would lose their health care

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plans, even as the president explicitly promised the opposite. while the president said the plans would be grandfathered, so if you had a plan you liked when obama care was passed you could keep your plan. we have found an irs bulletin from july of 2010, obama care passed march of 2010 saying, quote, a reasonable range for the percentage of individual policies that would terminate and therefore relinquish their grandfather status is 40% to 67% of those on the individual market. joining me now kristen anderson, vice president of the winston group and uh republican pollster and mark hannah democratic analyst. the president specifically said -- let me tell you what happened. they met. they had a health care summit. john kyl said to him at that summit, mr. president, i'm concerned about the individual market. you're going to require that these policies offer goodies in

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them. that will jack up rates or the insurers will say, i'm cancelling these policies. the president said, no, no, i will grandfather those in. people will be protected. here was the president february 2010. >> actually, any insurance you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep. you could decide not to get the better plan in the exchange. i could keep my acme insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. i would not be required to get the better one. >> four months later an administrative memo talking about how over 70% of the individual insurance market would be cancelled and the president in 2012, mark, came out and reiterated what he said that if you like your plan you can keep it. i ask you what i asked dr. emanuel on friday. was he intentionally misleading or was he grossly mistaken. >> he was doing neither. what he said was correct. if you had a plan before 2010

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that hasn't changed, that your premiums hasn't increased, the terms haven't changed you can keep it. let's put numbers in perspective. >> wait a minute. >> no, no, no. >> hold on. >> let's stay on point. hold on. it's not true. almost a million people have been cancelled so far, mark. the estimates are perhaps as many as 14 million could be cancelled soon. >> what's key -- >> let hark respond and then you can have the floor, kristen. go ahead, mark. >> right. these plans that don't offer the basic protections that the president has been saying all along are required in any insurance plan unless it is grandfathered beforehand, the plans are illegal and the president has been saying that forever. the individual marketplace for insurance is only 5% of the people in this country. >> we are talking about millions of people. >> 3%. >> 14 million people. kristen, i will give you the floor. >> megyn, three times as many --

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six times as many of the people don't have insurance whatsoever now. >> mark, he said, period. he said if you like it -- >> they can't keep it. >> i don't see -- >> i gave kristen the floor. go ahead. >> there is something critical in what mark said that opened the door to this if you like your plan you can keep it. if any piece of the plan changed at all then the grandfathering is thrown out the window. >> exactly. >> it's a little tiny loophole that came fromys the law that i allowing the law to get rid of the policies. this whole if you like your plan, you can keep it takes a shot at a republican president. it's the read my lips, no new taxes of this president. this isn't a line he said one time in a speech and may have been an exaggeration.

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this was a core piece of the argument for why people should support the law. if you like your plan, you can keep it. the same people who use this individual insurance are entrepreneurs, people who need to insure themselves. >> here is the thing, mark. if he wanted to be honest he shouldn't have said, period. i want the 14 million americans i believe will lose their individual plans the to understand it is a risk. they can call their representative and tell them to vote for obama care or not based on the full disclosure of the information. >> let's wonder why the plans are illegal in the first place. >> no, no. respond to my -- i know you can bridge away to a happy place for you. i get it. that's a skill -- debate skills. >> i heem a happy man right now. >> speak to my point.

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let's have a substantive discussion. why did he say "period"? why not "sas trix"? >> for emphasis probably. the guest on before said exactly that. any time there is an incremental change in your plan and you know insurance companies change plans all the time and send you a letter and it's in the fine print. nobody reads it. hhs under kathleen sebelius made it public. reporters had access to the information all along. the fact is those with skimpy benefits and high out of pocket costs so taxpayers have to pay -- >> kristen, it was my fault. it was the media's fault and the american people's fault because they should have understood period didn't mean period. >> they are trying to go into another pint .that it never should have been considered

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insurance in the first place. that exposes what it's about. if you go back the to the supreme court argument over whether it was constitutional the debate centered on whether hips was something everybody would need and it was constitutional to mandate it. the question is was health insurance is same as health care? conservatives say it is not. health insurance is something that should protect you against risk. not be the mechanism of payment for every health care service in your life. >> you were grandfathered unless they changed any part of your policy. then guess what. the department of health and human services wrote regulations that sonar rowed what the insurance companies could do that virtually all of the policies had to be changed. that's why millions are being cancelled. kathleen sebelius did it and the president knew it. >> and the insurance companies are cancelling it. >> the president knew it, mark. >> the ceo d -- >> he knew or he negligently didn't know.

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that's the question. we have rand paul coming up. good debate. >> good to see you, megyn. >> okay. taking your thoughts on twitter. after a dwunman shot up a christian wedding we are hearing about lashings over communion wine and senator rand paul is wine and senator rand paul is next on the this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "juggle a bunch of rotating categories" card. it's not the "sign up for rewards each quarter" card. it's the no-games, no-messing-'round, no-earning-limit-having, do-i-look-like-i'm-joking, turbo-boosting, heavyweight-champion- of-the-world cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere, every damn day. now, tell me, what's in your wallet?

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a new push for all congressmen to live under the rules they impose on regular folks in the nation including obama care.

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republican senator rand paul is introducing the constitutional amendment. he joins us now. good to see you. what's the purpose of this? >> well, ever since i ran for office people would say, you know, what makes me mad is congress passes law and exempts themselves. my amendment would say congress shall pass no law that they exempt themselves or the president or the supreme court. one of the particularly galling things about obama care is the chief justices who decided the case don't have to live under it. they get special health care and don't live under obama care. that's wrong. >> the odds of this passing -- right, because to get a constitutional amendment through you three-fifths of the states, three-fourths of the states. so the odds of getting it through are slim. >> it will take an enormous ground swell. there is a lot of movement for this republican, democrat or independent. there is a great movement for term limits and a lot of d

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dissatisfaction with washington now. if these were put to the american people you would get a 75% vote for term limits and congress shall not exempt itself. >> this is an evident to hold congress accountable. we have been talking about executive accountability. where is that? spefb asking person after person who will be held responsible for the disastrous rollout of obama care. the money that it's cost americans, the time it cost the american people. how do you and congress go about exacting that? >> well, i think we publically can point out the problems and hypocrisy. interestingly, the government was shut down with democrats refusing to accept a one-year delay on the individual mandate. now you've got a dozen of them saying, guess what, it is a horrible rollout. we are now in favor of the individual mandate delay. there is irony. the democrats shut down

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government because they wouldn't accept a one-year the delay. now it's so bad they are in favor. >>. >> we did a piece on how obama care was pushed through the u.s. congress. we talked about the fact that scott brown was elected. he ran on being the no vote that would stop obama care with. then harry reid changed the rules and said, i can pass a bill that will change one-sixth of the u.s. economy by deeming it passed as long as i have 51 votes i good. could you undo obama care with 51 votes if republicans got control of the senate? >> perhaps. this is the danger of the conference committees where things go together on a budget. they are talking about convening a conference committee to get to compromise. what comes out can be passed sometimes with 51% vote. it makes it easier. some of us objected to the budget going unless the democrats would agree not to raise the debt ceiling through

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51%. >> mm-hmm. >> part of the reason for having super majorities required was to slow things down and have more debate and to make it more difficult for one party to run rough shod over the country. >> you have a democrat in the white house. president obama won't be signing that bill soon. let me ask you about something else that's been getting attention in the news. that's you're speaking out on what you call the war against christians. this various countries in this world and in particular muslim-dominated countries. we have seen more violence against christians in egypt. there was a story today out of iran with 80 lashes for four christians. they had to be lashed for drinking wine at communion. you have been outspoken saying the administration isn't doing enough to call attention to it. what would you have them do? >> about a month ago, a christian village in syria was overrun and a young man was told to convert or die.

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he said, i am a christian. if you must kill me for being a christian, do it. these were his last words. the president needs to speak out about this. we need to not gloss over that there is a religious component to this. since 9/11 we have been apologizing and saying, oh, this isn't the islamic religion. it's not all of islam. it's a minority, but it is not one in a million. it's about 10%. in england there were 500,000 people who said the subway bombings, i sympathize with killing british citizens in the subway through violence. that's alarming that there is that large of a percentage -- 10 to 15% of islam saying violence against christians and unarmed noncombatants is okay. that's alarming. >> what should our president be doing differently on that? >> speak out about it. we should quit sending money to these countries. we spend over a million dollars to pakistan. there is a woman on death row

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for blasphemy. she said she drew water from a muslim well and they beat her and charged her with blaspheming. she said she just tried to drink from a muslim's well. the president shouldn't send money. no more money to countries killing christians, period. killing christians, period. >> senator rand paul, thank when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, whe experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts.

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for five years now critics accused this for five years now, the administration insists there is no war on coal, but 300 coal plants have closed, 4,000 jobs lost and tomorrow, bus loads of minors will descend on d.c. kp david green is captain of a mine

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captu capture. why is this important to you? >> we would like for our voices to be maerd as american workers. this may be considered a co-rally, but this is really a jobs rally. it's bigger than the coal industry, because coal doesn't just affect the coal industry. it affects all of america. >> you know, the president and the administration say coal plants have gone out of business because natural gas has gotten more popular. >> owe can read the headline and we can see there are 500 coal fire plants that announced they're closing. and their confession that they've said it's due to epa regulations. that's my opinion or thoughts on it or anybody from the coal industry for that matter. when regulations are too much

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and too fast for the industry to keep up with, it's just -- it's just a way to take coal off the table. >> ewe don't often see a rally like this with coal mining. is this empowers? what is this like for you? >> i think it's important for people to know first of all, we caren't a the environment. we do. but we lue our job. we care about the environment every bit as much as the folks who come on our job sites and tie thems to trees. if you know anybody in coal country, you know we love the outdoors and we love the mountains that we've been blessed with and we want to be good stewards of what we have. but we're looking at the facts here. >> i've got to run. we're coming up against a hard break. we'll be watching tomorrow. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> be right back. >> we'll be right back. "hannity" at the top of the hour. >> promises mean some >> promises mean something. they should.

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and this is really -- we don't agree with it, but from his point of view, this is his biggest achievement. this is the biggest thing for which history is going to judge barack obama one way or the other. and you would think he would have at least gotten the website correct. how hard is that? i mean, to do that correctly. anybody know where flo is? are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive.

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it's hard to say that. asterisk. it's hard to spit it out. he never would have said that. there could have been qualifiers. no? the document we have been talking about is posted on our facebook page. facebook.com/the kelly file. we'll have a link on twitter as well. follow me @megyn kelly. here's "hannity." i heard on the news about fast and furious. >> could president obama really be this out of touch? >> i certainly didn't know anything about the irgs g report. >> millions of americans are visiting health care.gov. >> hollywood liberals are turning on team obama care. >> unfortunately the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. >> remember, you were warned. >> earlier today the president sealed the deal on health care signing the bill into law and forever changing the united states of america. >> we look back at some of our most chilling obama care predictions.