Voltam es dolgozik Budapesten, though for USAID. I am not fluent, but am
still practicing. If you would like someone to practice with just email me
a note. I live in the South End, on Tremont St. Mi a foglalkosasod (most)?
Viszontlatasra
Janos

In article <v01510101ad1e20a6bc98@[198.5.254.187]>, Doug Hormann
> writes:
> am amused Sam. You speak of freedom of speech, yet you come>unglued when someone who disagrees with your own point of view exercises>it. That sees to me to be the real right wing viewpoint. (Read
dangerous.)
>Heaven forbit that someone like me should respond to your publicly posted>opinion with anything other then wholesale adoration.>>Regards,>>Doug>>P. S. Actually, I stopped following the Cowboys when Landry got the
boot.
>I hope Green Bay kicks butt tomorrow!>>Doug Hormann>>
Doug, I gotta hand it to you. You're smart enough to back away from your
initial posting, yet not quite wise enough to shut up when you've already
made a fool of yourself. Your intial posting seems to take a great deal of
offense at my suggesting that many Americans -- I dare say most even --
could not find Hungary or Turkey on a map. "Not Doug Hormann," you huffily
reply. "He's the kind of guy who could find Hungary and Turkey on a map
even if you held it upside down and blind-folded him at the same time."
Guess what, Doug? I wrote that posting without intending to single you out
for international ridicule. I committed the cardinal error -- I posted it
without realizing that Doug Hormann existed, that indeed he is a man of
prodigious intellect who in his ripe 34 years has used that mother of a
brain to accrue a Jim Dandy education (woe unto anyone who wows the masses
with their own revelation of private school background, for they shall be
accused of elitism by Dougie. That is, when he's done questioning your
credentials for American citizenship. Your punishment for admitting a
private school education is to have Doug Hormann fill up significant
amounts of your hard drive with his boasting about how smart he is even
though he never went to private school and, judging from his previous
comments, how he didn't get into the kind of university he felt truly
befitted his genius. For that alone, I thank God above that I attended
public schools and a land grant university and therefore do not face the
prospect of a Hormannal imbalance clogging up my hard drive.) and stands
ready to find Turkey, Hungary and any other political condominium of your
choice at a moment's notice.
Now, some of you are saying, wait a minute, Sam -- how could you be
expected to know that Doug Hormann is out there wherever it is that 34
year-old godheads live in America? And why does he take offense at a
statement that says many Americans can't find Hungary or Turkey on a map,
statement that implies there are Americans who can indeed find Hungary or
Turkey on a map, a statement that postulates, a priori, the very existence
of Hormann-like genius among the seething American masses, a statement
Doug himself later turns around and says is pretty much accurate? Why
couldn't Doug, with that pendulous overhanging mass of brain tissue, just
say to himself at the outset, when reading that statement, "Ahh, and thank
goodness superior genetics and a struggle in the bosky groves of public
school academe, a struggle worthy of David Copperfield himself (the
Charles Dickens waif, not the guy supposedly boinking Claudia Schiffer),
has rescued me from such travail of ignorance and begot the kind of
divinity swaddled in human flesh that can pick out Hungary and Turkey on a
map at a moment's notice without breaking a sweat."? Is this guy arrogant
or what?
No -- he is simply going about whatever business it is that those shadowy
gnostic beings who are one step below God and a couple of big skips above
the human tide undertake. The fault is not in Doug himself, but in our
understanding of his Dougness. And part of being Doug apparently involves
a ritual wherein one takes carefully qualified statements made by a
stranger on the Internet and immediately assumes they are a rhetorical
barb directly intended for one's own immortal flesh. These are m

I, too am doing genealogy research on family members from Hungary
(surnames ADLER and BOGNER), as well as a town called L. St. Ivan which
existed in the 1880s. Someone E-mailed me with the following information
on that town which apparently no longer exists:
>There are/were several Szentivan; one was in Lipto' megye (county), hence>the `L.' could mean "Lipto' Szentiva'n" . Now Liptovsky' in the Slovak>Republic.
I looked up this in my Atlas (which is outdated - 1989) and couldn't find
Liptovsky on the map (I also tried using the Index but found that about 40
pages were missing (including all the "L's")!!!
Does anybody have any knowledge of where this town or province might havev
been or where the Slovak Republic is? Any major cities near Liptovsky
would be helpful!
Thanks to all!
Lynn Fox-Perez
-- ...in the pursuit of knowledge

I worked in Budapest for USAID, as a consultant, for almost a year. A
woman I know by the name of Sylvia speaks excellent English, and she is a
Hungarian. Sorry, I can't remeber her last name. She can be reached by
E-mail at . If you contact her I'ms sure she could
help you out.
I highly recommend her.
John Palmucci
596 Tremont #2
Boston, MA 02118

John:
You didn't disagree with me. But what was that fawning passage you wrote
to Hormann about monster trucking? Ye, Gods, man! Do you expect a superior
being like Hormann to give a rat's patooty about monster trucking? You
should have told him you have a subscription to the American Spectator and
memorize every issue. Now that might impress him.
Sam
P.S. -- The Celtics aren't going anywhere until they get a real coach and
rename the Fleet Center (or whatever they're currently calling it). Don't
you miss the Larry Bird era? The Chief was down here in the Carolinas for
awhile last season, playing off the bench for the Hornets each night and
slapping his wife around, but it just wasn't the same.

I am doing genealogy research on family members from a town which was
called L. St. Ivan (not sure of spelling) and was part of Hungary in the
1880s.
Specifically looking for the surnames ADLER and BOGNER.
Thanks!
Lynn Fox-Perez
-- ...in the pursuit of knowledge

"Feminist consciousness" means (to me) the awareness, that
women should have the same ratios of creative jobs, economic/
political power and domestic responsibilities as men.
In Hungary there were/are lots of positive and lots of negative
features in this respect.
Positive: - In the 60s/70s/80s nursery/prenursery education, fulltime
afterschool (professional) care, cheap/nominal priced
schoolmeals and workplace meals, even cheap restaurants
to free women from some domestic tasks.
- More opportunity to break into male occupations
and male dominated sciences.
- More economic independence, due to the majority of
women having fulltime jobs.
Generous maternity leaves/GYES etc/family/child
benefits/sickleaves, extra holidays, especially
when the decline in birthrates worried the
establishment.
Negative: - attitudes towards sharing home responsibilities did not
change - no propaganda in this direction ie. all propaganda
showing women as workers PLUS mothers, so women ended up
working fulltime and spending all other time with the
domestic chores, while men were busy "laying the foundations"
that is getting ahead in their carriers.
Some lipservice in education to equality a nominal
women's movement served to inhibit any spontanious
/democratic movements.
no egual pay, as like everywhere else, women end up
with lower paid occupations in general.
So on balance my impression is, that in feminist ideas Hungary is
left behind at the moment.
>> Is there such a thing as a feminist consciousness in Hungarian society?>> If someone asked me that question, I would, without hesitation say, 'No'.> Although my contact with Hungarians is limited I have yet to see a couple> whose relationship is anything but traditional. And whenever a discussion> would broach the topic, all the couples I've known, would often make> comments which seemed to indicate that they thought feminism was some sort> of bizarre and unnatural human aberration. Is this attitude more common in> Hungarian society than it is in Western Europe or North America?>> I know that a lot of writers on this list love to go on and on about the> plight of Hungarian minorities in Romania, Slovakia and Serbia. A lot is> also written about the injustices that history has dealt to Hungary. I> wonder if any of the writers would like to comment on the domination of> Hungarian women by Hungarian men.>> Regardless of what laws say, women are subjugated universally. It is not> just an Hungarian problem. From what I've seen, Hungarians will not be> leaders in this matter either.>> Joe Szalai

If my memory serves right, the Hungarian waterpolo
team won the olympic gold at least once before.
> John,>> Your lucky. I'm stuck with the Blazers!>> Perhaps we could start a discussion going on sports in Hungary. In about> 1985 Willamette University (Salem, OR) had a visiting economics prof in> college from Hungary who had been a member of their Olympic water polo> team. If memory serves his name was Magas. It seems they were so good they> took the silver losing only to the Soviets in a very hard fought match.> What's the sports scene like in Hungary?>> Regards,>> Doug Hormann>

Sadly, sport (quality of) in Hungary seems to be a bit on the naff
side at the moment, at least compared with what sport was like before most of
Hungary`s athletes left during/after 1956. Before `56 no one country could
touch the Hungarians in almost any sport you could care to mention.
Karcsi

John Czifra ) wrote:
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: a stopper! me thinks "maze" (i.e. corn) commeth from New World post 1500AD
:
"corn 1. gen. a small hard particle, a grain, as of sand, salt, gunpowder.
2. spec the small hard seed or fruit of a plant; now usually with
qualification, as barley-, pepper-
3. spec. the seed of the farinaceous plants; grain (locally, the
word is understood to denote the leading crop of the district;
hence in england `corn' is = wheat, in scotland = oats; in u.s.
as short for indian corn, it is maize.
4. applied to the cereal plants while growing, or while still
containing the grain."
the shorter oxford english dictionary (1982 edition) vol i, p. 427
d.a.

Hello all of you out there:
I don't know if this newsgroup is an appropriate one for me to post a
message - but I am a sports writer and am doing a feature on Ildiko
Rojto, the deaf woman fencer from Hungary who competed in five Olympics
(1960, 1964, 1968, 1972 and 1976) and won medals in fencing.
I need a picture of her to accompany the story. Would any of you know
where I could be able to get a picture of Rojto? The financial resources
of my publication is rather limited and may not afford to pay a high
price for such a picture.
Hope to hear from any of you and thank you very much.
Barry Strassler
Sports Editor
Silent News (USA)

CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA
Cities of Sjlbvdnzv, Grzny to Be First Recipients
Before an emergency joint session of Congress yesterday, President
Clinton announced US plans to deploy over 75,000 vowels to the war-torn
region of Bosnia. The deployment, the largest of its kind in American
history, will provide the region with the critically needed letters A,E,I,O
and U, and is hoped to render countless Bosnian names more pronounceable.
"For six years, we have stood by while names like Ygrjvslhv and
Tzlynhr and Glrm have been horribly butchered by millions around the
world," Clinton said. "Today, the United States must finally stand up and
say 'Enough.' It is time the people of Bosnia finally had some vowels in
their incomprehensible words. The US is proud to lead the crusade in this
noble endeavor."
The deployment, dubbed Operation Vowel Storm by the State
Department, is set for early next week, with the Adriatic port cities of
Sjlbvdnzv and Grzny slated to be the first recipients. Two C-130 transport
planes, each carrying over 500 24-count boxes of "E's," will fly from
Andrews Air Force Base across the Atlantic and airdrop the letters over the
cities.
Citizens of Grzny and Sjlbvdnzv eagerly await the arrival of the
vowels.
"My God, I do not think we can last another day," Trszg Grzdnjkln, 44,
said. "I have six children and none of them has a name that is
understandable to me or to anyone else. Mr. Clinton, please send my poor,
wretched family just one 'E.' Please."
Said Sjlbvdnzv resident Grg Hmphrs, 67: "With just a few key
letters, I could be George Humphries. This is my dream."
The airdrop represents the largest deployment of any letter to a
foreign country since 1984. During the summer of that year, the US shipped
92,000 consonants to Ethiopia, providing cities like Ouaouoaua, Eaoiiuae,
and Aao with vital, life-giving supplies of L's, S's and T's.

It is heartwarming to see that President Clinton has initiated the mass
movement of vowels from our country to Bosnia (vowel movements ranked high
among his interests back in Arkansas). However, what he did NOT tell the
American public was that at the same time (due to the constraints of the
balanced alphabetic budget law - BABL) the U.S. was forced to make a dramatic
cutback in the shipment of vowels to Wales, U.K. According to a State
Department spokesperson, "This has resulted in desperate shortages in vowelly
challenged Welsh cities such as Amlwch, Pwllheli, and Llanwrtyd. It is
especially tragic since we were just beginning to make some progress there."

Hello, Everyone!
Just for the record:
There is an appreciable difference between the homophones "maze" and "maize."
(Homophone = sound-alike)
The description below is for "maze" - the one in quotation marks is for
"maize!!!"
~~~~~
Maze:
1. An intricate, usually confusing, network of walled or hedged pathways;
a labyrinth.
2. Anything resembling or likened to such a network, as a puzzle.
The origin of the word is from the Old English "amasian."
(The American Heritage Dictionary)
Webster's Dictionary also adds another definition:
a state of confusion.
I should like to add to the list of MAIZE: it also means the color "yellow."
Isn't all this a-MA(i)Z(e)-ing? >:-)))
Happy grammar to you!
Martha S. Bihari
e-mail:
On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, ibokor wrote:
> John Czifra ) wrote:> : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> : a stopper! me thinks "maze" (i.e. corn) commeth from New World post 1500AD> :> "corn 1. gen. a small hard particle, a grain, as of sand, salt, gunpowder.> 2. spec the small hard seed or fruit of a plant; now usually with> qualification, as barley-, pepper-> 3. spec. the seed of the farinaceous plants; grain (locally, the> word is understood to denote the leading crop of the district;> hence in england `corn' is = wheat, in scotland = oats; in u.s.> as short for indian corn, it is maize.> 4. applied to the cereal plants while growing, or while still> containing the grain.">> the shorter oxford english dictionary (1982 edition) vol i, p. 427>> d.a.>

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