So nothing much of a temp rise in 15 years & concern as to where those weather stations are situated
Remember we did mention thermometer placement, in some of the PO's residents abodes last year, as this is important in getting an accurate temp reading.

Quote: As winter snowstorms continue to make life miserable in many parts of the country, keepers of the climate-change faith have wasted no time explaining to fatigued snow-shovelers that this season's record blizzards are a further sign of global warming.

Writing in The Washington Post, Bill McKibben, a scholar at Middlebury College and author of "The End of Nature," explains that "the weird and disruptive weather patterns around the world are pretty much exactly what you'd expect as the planet warms."

But even though temperature and moisture levels are rising, he writes, "it still gets cold enough to snow in the middle of the winter. It even gets cold enough to snow in Texas and Georgia, as it did late last week. And the chances of what are technically called ‘big honking dumps' [blizzards] have increased."

It most certainly has been "cold enough to snow." In fact, it has been frigid in many parts of the northern hemisphere, despite the planetary warming McKibben says is happening. China and Mongolia experienced their coldest weather since 1971. Europe and Russia were hit by deadly cold and blizzards. Florida, along with other areas of the southeast, experienced its longest spell of cold weather in history. And the state's citrus crop sustained its worst damage since 1989.http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminol ... al-warming

Quote: Moscow was blanketed with a record-breaking 63cm of snow yesterday, the regional weather centre said.
The snow depth breaks a record set in 1966, when snow drifts measured 62cm, the weather centre added.
The Russian capital has seen heavy snowfalls since Friday.
So far this month, almost 50cm of snow has fallen, which is three times the monthly average, the weather centre said.
Yesterday’s snowfall was expected to also break a 33-year record by reaching more than 10.5mm in the water equivalent over 24 hours, meteorologists said.http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/p ... arent_id=2

Quote: Pigs still can't fly, but this winter, the mayor of Moscow promises to keep it from snowing. For just a few million dollars, the mayor's office will hire the Russian air force to spray a fine chemical mist over the clouds before they reach the capital, forcing them to dump their snow outside the city. Authorities say this will be a boon for Moscow, which is typically covered with a blanket of snow from November to March. Road crews won't need to constantly clear the streets, and the traffic — and quality of life — will undoubtedly improve.http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 22,00.html

Quote: Nobody could possibly have predicted the total and irretrievable collapse of the whole global
warming issue in the short period from November through to February. In engineering terms
there was a steadily growing instability. The greater the instability, the smaller the effort
needed to precipitate its inevitable collapse.
It started in November with the Climategate e-mails where the scientists were accused of
deliberately ‘adjusting’ global temperature data. This was denied. Then there was the
UNFCCC conference at Copenhagen. This was a political failure. The developed nations of
the West naively assumed that the developing nations could be persuaded to make sacrifices
to ensure the continued economic prosperity of the developed nations. The failure was
predictable.http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf ... arcass.pdf

Global warming is a catch phrase. It is to divert attention from the real problem which is overuse of non-replaceable resources and killing off bio diversity - mainly due to world overpopulation and massive buildup of uninhibited consumerism. Fishermen are one of the obvious groups already feeling the massive pinch. Rampant deforestation is like slowly cutting away pieces of lung from a breathing organism.

One could go on ad infinitum... "Water wars" are already on the horizon!
Look at the River Jordan for a prime example!

We are lucky at the moment to be able to sit here and hardly notice any of these effects (except, perhaps the increasing price of fish and the -slight as yet - lessening of the types of fish available in your local market). Others in certain parts of South East Asia, South America, etc. are more drastically affected. Many ranchers in Australia are also in trouble.

I deal in Logic!
"Magic" is applied science far in advance of our current technology.

Roger O wrote:Global warming is a catch phrase. It is to divert attention from the real problem which is overuse of non-replaceable resources and killing off bio diversity - mainly due to world overpopulation and massive buildup of uninhibited consumerism.affected.

Hi Roger & all

It has snowballed into an industry on its own, focusing on human induced climate change, those other points you make are important in their own right, but i do not think its a tactic to cloud peoples thought's elsewhere

Roger O wrote:Global warming is a catch phrase. It is to divert attention from the real problem which is overuse of non-replaceable resources and killing off bio diversity - mainly due to world overpopulation and massive buildup of uninhibited consumerism.affected.

Hi Roger & all

It has snowballed into an industry on its own, focusing on human induced climate change, those other points you make are important in their own right, but i do not think its a tactic to cloud peoples thought's elsewhere

Cheers Sav

You are right,Sav. The trouble is that this was not what Roger and those of his ilk were saying relatively recently. Last year,we were all going to choke in greenhouse gases,East Anglia was going to disappear under several metres of water,and everyone was going to fry.

But they've all started back pedalling furiously. And the result is that ,because there is so much that does not fit in with their narrow dogma,they are now saying what many of us have been saying for years...ie good husbandry of resources is smart ,because it makes economic sense,AND,it simply is pretty daft to foul your own nest.

john wrote:
You are right,Sav. The trouble is that this was not what Roger and those of his ilk were saying relatively recently. Last year,we were all going to choke in greenhouse gases,East Anglia was going to disappear under several metres of water,and everyone was going to fry.

But they've all started back pedalling furiously. And the result is that ,because there is so much that does not fit in with their narrow dogma,they are now saying what many of us have been saying for years...ie good husbandry of resources is smart ,because it makes economic sense,AND,it simply is pretty daft to foul your own nest.

Hi john & all

Its the power of the media, you switch on the news etc & you are led down a certain path.
Many will not question this or investigate, so climate change is born.
Note how the title has changed over time
I think the argument started to crumble on a subject away from climate & that is taxation.
The straw clutching has indeed begun, its quite surprising how the pack of cards has tumbled so quickly.
Now we do not have to wait 50-100 years to see if waters will rise, or if we overheat.
If your at all worried that your garden is going to be submerged, then i would suggest you listen to Dr Morner
Its a lengthy interview, but it puts the dramatic claims of certain sources in their place.http://itsrainmakingtime.com/2010/nilsaxelmorner/

Roger O wrote:
Biodiversity reduction is intimately linked to human
activity as well as natural causes such as climate change.

If we humans accelerate the processes we live in a poorer world
much of which is of our own making.

Hi Roger & all

I agree we should not drive animals towards extinction & that there should be limits to how much we hunt & fish.
This is separate to any climate issue though.
But you do go on to say that climate change is natural.
So are your thought's being swayed by all the information that is gradually emerging.
Nice pictures of the earth thanks

Quote: About 2.5 million livestock had perished nationwide as of Monday, the government's State Emergency Commission reported this week, after weeks of persistent snow and temperatures below minus 50 Celsius (minus 58 Fahrenheit).

All this stuff is very interesting,Rog,but like Sav,I fail to see the connection between it and "global warming". The references you have made are your, and yours only, interpretation on this.

Again, it just makes common sense not to drive species to the point of extinction (though the earth has managed perfectly well without dinosaurs,dodos etc !). Just exactly at what point is man made climate change been proven to be a factor,major or minor?

I found winter really pleasant this year so far. Lots of dry sunny days, some wind, rain etc but not excessively so. Some very cold mornings and evenings but who cares when the sun has been out most of the day?
Of course, statistics may say different - I am a bear of little memory and may be forgetting some really bad days.

Eamon Avis wrote:Sav, after the prediction of a mild winter in the UK it has been the coldest winter for over 30 years. Has it been the coldest winter in the PO for many years as well?

Hi Eamon

I have found some analysis for winter 2008/09
Here's a sample
Quote: After a couple of lean years the Pyrenees had exceptional snow cover with over 3 meters depth in the mountains in February in the Hautes-Pyrenees at 2500 meters. http://pistehors.com/news/ski/comments/ ... ch-winter/

Quote: Snowfalls of up to 50 centimetres (20 inches) were forecast for the worst affected areas of the region of Catalonia, prompting the regional government to cancel classes for more than 142,000 students at 476 public schools.