stampylives:Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

yeah, that's pretty much the entire election. right now the ballot would be no different if it was obama vs. "white person to be named later." that is what scares the shiat out of me... that people will vote for someone without having any idea what they think about anything, except for the negative stuff that has come out from behind-closed-door fundraisers.

bhcompy:Barnstormer: When I was in a relationship I thought that reproductive choice was the litmus-test issue that would determine whom I voted for. Which side I was on depended on which side she was on (based upon my firm conviction that having one dick means you should get NO vote on the matter)

Ordinary Genius:Aarontology: Joe Blowme: The same congress that controlled both houses the first 2 years of Obama? Same one that forced Obama care on us and said they have to pass it to find out what is in it? HAHAHAHA keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

This is my favorite teabagger talking point.

"We opposed everything in ObamaCare, and it will destroy America, but we don't know what was in it"

Here, take this pill. It should make you feel better, but we don't know what's in it. Same argument. Do you take the pill?

/And for the record, I do not support Romney. In fact, I likely would support Obama if he would grow a spine and stand up to congress like he said he would.

He can't... In order to do that he has to have support from his party, and while they "support" him, the democratic party itself is, at best scattered on issues and in some cases completely at odds with itself on others.

The democratic party has the same problem the left wing liberals have, there are too many people focusing on too many different issues to be unified...

I will hand it to the republicans in that they are a focused party... I just feel they are focused on the wrong thing...

The Democrats i think are on their way out soon... The moment a real party forms and steps up, they will crack.

And it won't be the Libertarians either... they have too many batshiat insane people in their party to be taken seriously

Ordinary Genius:The question is whether you want to vilify a member for being against something based on their views of a portion of the bill. It seems that that is the case for you. To put it in topical terms of this thread, would be okay had Obamacare had a portion of it which prohibited all abortions? or would you say "scrap the whole thing" because of that one bad section? If it had that section, would you bother reading the rest?

yes, I would object, and I would say so.

I wouldn't claim to know nothing about it, yet oppose every aspect of it. Which is the talking point I'm criticizing.

I actually did not miss that. Nor did I miss the fact that a federal judge struck down the ACORN defunding act as an unconstitutional bill of attainder. ACORN was never successfully defunded by the federal government, though they ultimately collapsed under the intense pressure from conservative conspiracy theorists. If that were going to happen to Planned Parenthood, though, it would have happened by now.

Nuuu:TwoHead: I take it you missed the entire ACORN vs Pimp Hat incident?

I actually did not miss that. Nor did I miss the fact that a federal judge struck down the ACORN defunding act as an unconstitutional bill of attainder. ACORN was never successfully defunded by the federal government, though they ultimately collapsed under the intense pressure from conservative conspiracy theorists. If that were going to happen to Planned Parenthood, though, it would have happened by now.

stampylives:Weaver95: y'know...if Romney flipped this quick on abortion - what makes anyone believe that he'll stay strong on the economy? or foreign policy? or anything else for that matter? the guy is either a lying bottom feeder or he's just got no spine. either way he's not a good fit for the job of President.

yeah, that's pretty much the entire election. right now the ballot would be no different if it was obama vs. "white person to be named later." that is what scares the shiat out of me... that people will vote for someone without having any idea what they think about anything, except for the negative stuff that has come out from behind-closed-door fundraisers.

It's the same questions people had about Kerry, yet people still voted for him.

I've been saying for a long time the polls were an abortion so to speak. The very left round here were WAY over confident. The President is in real trouble. It's scary this asshat Rmoney could win even while flip flopping like a man possessed since the convention. BUT he very well could. Time for the left and the moderates who support the President to get up of the matt.

ACORN received federal funds until they closed their doors due to non-governmental reasons.

If Mitt Romney is promising he'll defund Planned Parenthood in the same way that ACORN was defunded, he doesn't have to wait to become President, or do anything that requires the authority of any branch of government. He could do it now as a private citizen. So then, why is Planned Parenthood still funded today?

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!

That would make a funny comedy bit. Get a comedian playing the part of Romney, then have the 'debate moderator' ask Romney a question about a particular policy with a moderate constituent (wearing clothing and buttons and such identifying them so) next to the moderator.

Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter (Sarah Palin t-shirt, 'marriage = man and woman symbol button') next to him and say, "how about now?"

I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it.I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals

Dear Mike_LowELL:

Your performance art, entertaining as it is, is beginning to resemble a box of Chikin In a Biskit crackers left open for two months.

Mike_LowELL:I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it.

They're politiciansthey're richthey will lie to get in office as your 'representative'

you've had 4 years of liesseems to me that you'll have 4 more no matter WHO you jackasses pick.It's how they work, and you will vote and smilethat's how you work..just stop pretending one is honestseriously

fadat:Mike_LowELL: I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it.

Ten minutes? At this rate they are walking stuff back while he is still on the podium!

That would make a funny comedy bit. Get a comedian playing the part of Romney, then have the 'debate moderator' ask Romney a question about a particular policy with a moderate constituent (wearing clothing and buttons and such identifying them so) next to the moderator.

Then have the moderator move that person aside, pull in a conservative voter (Sarah Palin t-shirt, 'marriage = man and woman symbol button') next to him and say, "how about now?"

Mike_LowELL:I just find it hilarious how Democrats make such a huge deal out of "flip-flopping", as they call it. I have never once heard a Republican call any Democratic candidate a flip-flopper, because Republicans do not brand their opponents and Republicans prefer to debate the issues. Republicans do not resort to name-calling, you stupid liberals. Deal with it. Mitchell "Thaddeus" Romney is more intelligent than any of you, and it shouldn't be surprising that when he speaks, that philosophers, academics, experts, and the common man all come together to determine what Romney has actually said. From there, people find multiple interpretations. And from there, people claim he has given many different positions on the same issue. "Misinterpretation of ideas" is not "Romney took multiple positions on the same issue". The end. Go home. Taxbongo lost the election. Stop being jealous that Romney is smarter than you.

So Romney is a cubist candidate who can project multiple different answers to an issue, displaying all of them simultaneously for the viewer to interpret the two dimensional jumble of things that only form in their minds and with their own input into a whole?

Picasso says, "or maybe he's just full of shiat and has no core values and will say anything to get elected."

ib_thinkin:Five Tails of Fury: Generation_D: Why would the media want to expose any of Romney's lying or flip flopping?

Romney is their candidate. Most media are mid-six, or 7 figures incomes.

In other words, the 1%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*snort*

Bahahahahhahahaha...

*wheezes*

... heheh... whew...

/journalist//only way I'm in the 1% is if I knock over a bank///want to be a millionaire as a media member? start as a multi-millionaire

Hey, can you tell me more about your super liberal bias?

Oh, yes, that. When I was working for newspapers, the one I was with the longest was owned for most of its run by noted pinko commie scumbag Conrad Black. So we of course stuffed flyers in for the local abortion mills and free government handout offices every week.

Nuuu:ACORN received federal funds until they closed their doors due to non-governmentalpolitical reasons.

So congress can in fact pass a law to defund selectively but that is subject to judicial review which should overturn the law. ACORN was saved much like the condemned man who is found innocent after the sentence has been carried out. Two examples where being technically correct doesn't do you much good.

Clemkadidlefark:Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga

when the stimulus passed, the US was in recession, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the dow was at 6,000.today, we're out of recession, we've gained private-sector jobs for 32 straight months, and the dow is at 13,000.

and all this was accomplished despite the entire republican party being unified in their efforts to destroy the recovery.

Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.farking idiots.

FlashHarry:Clemkadidlefark: Obama - "If I can't fix the economy in three years, I'll be a one term President."

Bazinga

when the stimulus passed, the US was in recession, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the dow was at 6,000.today, we're out of recession, we've gained private-sector jobs for 32 straight months, and the dow is at 13,000.

and all this was accomplished despite the entire republican party being unified in their efforts to destroy the recovery.

so, yeah, bazinga, indeed.

In the year before President Obama's inauguration foreclosure sales ramped up from 15,000 per month to 90,000 per month. The situation now:

The seemingly endless increases in foreclosures are long over.Currently foreclosure sales are running at about 62,000 per month, but the sales are closer to loan value now than they were in 2008.With a backlog of millions of loans in serious trouble, this will take years to clear.

Cup_O_Jo:Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.farking idiots.

Lando Lincoln:Cup_O_Jo: Romeny says something then a SPOKESPERSON for him says something else. YET he is accused of flip flopping. WHILE Obama shook Russias hand and said he would not act on Syria while today he sends troops to Jordon. And that's not a flip flop.farking idiots.

Five Tails of Fury:Oh, yes, that. When I was working for newspapers, the one I was with the longest was owned for most of its run by noted pinko commie scumbag Conrad Black. So we of course stuffed flyers in for the local abortion mills and free government handout offices every week.

Is that the Telegraph? I'm in the middle of ignoring a discussion about shareholder approval in my Business Acquisitions class, and he's come up a couple times.

WhiskeyBender:Aarontology: WhiskeyBender: Has a comet passed close to earth? Something is strange because I've never seen a politician say one thing that sides with a group of people, then take the other side with another group. Never!

I've never seen one do it on literally every single issue like Romney has.

You're right. I haven't seen one issue he has stayed constant on. Well..taxes now that I think about it, but that is a given.

Obviously you didn't watch the debate.

/I used to think of Romney as a fairly reasonable moderate, but now I have no idea what to expect. He is deliberately vague -- not even releasing his plan! -- and gets away with contradicting himself all the damn time. Presumably it's a tactic, hoping that people will take what they want out of what he says and vote for him.//He "won" the debate by high-school competition standards, but secured my vote for Obama.

If you're a conservative and/or Republican and planning to vote for Romney because you think he will do ANYTHING on the abortion issue, you are sadly mistaken. He will use it as a ploy to raise funds and garner votes and nothing else. He will not appoint anti-abortion judges, nor will he encourage enforcement or legislation to combat abortion. He will only use the abortion issue for demagoguery and campaign financing, and he will keep quiet on it as much as possible because it is a political loser for him. So if you're not going to get a candidate who will stand against abortion, you might as well vote for someone who espouses your other values. Vote Gary Johnson (because he isn't one of the other two guys).

ManateeGag:if he wins the election, I severely doubt he will be actually running the country.

You're not the only one who thinks that:

But none could doubt the movement's swagger when Norquist fine-tuned his newest talking point about Mitt Romney. He predicted that the leadership of the conservative movement for the next 20 years will emanate from Congress, not the White House (a likely development for which Democrats seem unprepared).

"We're not auditioning for someone to tell us what to do," he declared. "We know what to do. We just need a president who can sign the legislation that the Republican House and Senate pass. ... We don't need someone to think. ... We need someone who knows how to hold a pen."

Generation_D:And the other part of that comment is, if Obama can't be arsed to confront a mormon liar on TV and act like he wants the job, the hell with him. Seriously. The tea baggers should have been stomped on TV every week in 09, by Obama, the theoretical leader of the free world. Instead he is letting those senile plasterbrained punks have the floor and conceding points left and right in the name of "bipartisan cooperation."

Like a cowboy once said, you don't negotiate with terrorists. I consider tea baggers our modern taliban. They should be confronted as the liars they are, they should be shouted out of their own party and relegated back to the cult status they had. But little by little the Republicans have been cultivating these guys, and now we have the Reagan Youth all grown up in the form of Paul Ryan, who is the child of government entitlement yet wants to pull the rug out from everyone else that came after him.

I would like if Obama grew a pair and used his epic speaking skills to fight more like Dean or Clinton or Rendell, instead of being more like a younger Harry Reid.

The bully pulpit was yours, Barry. Why didn't you use it???

There are two more presidential debates. Obama can still recover. After all, Romney has used up all the zingers he memorized.