Mustafa Kamel Mustafa testified that his satellite phone was stolen, but he also said he provided the phone to the kidnappers so that the tourists could contact their families to prevent bloodshed. In the end, four of them were killed.

James Ujaama said he visited that ranch and wrote to Mustafa Kamel Mustafa, his mentor in London, that the land looks just like Afghanistan and that, because Oregon is pro-militia, pro-firearm state, it would be easy to stockpile weapons for firearms training, WCBS 880’s Irene Cornell reported.

The jury gained some insight into Mustafa Kamel Mustafa’s thinking on al Qaeda’s terror attacks through his broadcast interviews being played in court. He is on trial on charges that he supported terrorism around the world.

Mustafa is accused of trying to create an al Qaeda training camp in Bly, Ore., in late 1999. He’s also charged with helping kidnappers in Yemen in a 1998 attack and arranged for fighters to attend an al Qaeda training camp.

Mustafa has pleaded not guilty to charges he conspired to support al Qaeda by trying to set up a terrorist training camp in 1999 in Oregon. He also is accused of helping abduct 16 people in Yemen in 1998. Four hostages died.