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What if I do see it, but what if I just tell my child it's next to him/her? Am I delusional for starting it, but the child is _not_ delusional because they were simply told it? If so, wouldn't that mean the first religious person was delusional?

Your either trolling or just a massive idiot. People who are actually mentally ill and have real "delusions" have many other symptoms attached. Its completely obvious someone who has real "delusions"

If you cant see the difference between believing in the philosphical concept of a deity, and a massive invisible gorrila, then there is no hope for you. There was no first religious man, many people have their first experience of a "higher" being through psycadellic use or near death experiences, even meditation for months at a time. And then some use it as a philosophical reason for the universe and a purpose for their life (Our founding fathers). Don't confuse the common dogmatic form of God as a template for any form of higher 'being'

I think calling it a delusion might be a little off, I think it depends on the person, I do agree that if a person has said they seen god or hear god then they're delusional. But some people just wanna believe to feel comfortable, and they admit they've never seen or heard a deity, it's still irrational though, just like Deism. I bet if the founding fathers were alive today, a good amount of them would have no issue being atheist.

i once tripped on salvia (i don't recommend this), i experienced something i've come to learn as 'ego death'. i watched my self die, i watched my self twist from my finger tips to my feet. i felt every bit of sensation with an INTENSE MAGNITUDE through my body(constant body feelings during whole trip). i watched our world, our earth, our dimension as we know it, my view zoomed out to the point where our dimension was just a window in a never ending sky scraper(so it seemed) and all other windows were other dimensions, then suddenly i got a terrible feeling in my stomach, i knew the ending of all things were near. it appeared to me that this sky scraper was being crushed, from the top to the bottom.. and we were only a few stories from the great hammer pounding down.

long story short, our dimension was soon crushed. i faded into blackness, i awoke slowly(came out of the trip) and our reality unraveled(slowly things in the room appeared as what they really were). my heart was racing, like i've never experienced before.

i questioned our own reality.
it felt like i lived a whole life time in the 5-7 minute hallucination i had.

schizophrenia has been in our family for decades, i can't imagine the daily life of those people.

lol the point i was going to make was lost, don't have time right now, but it's these people having the real experiences like i had pushing them onto other people willing to attempt to have them(for many reasons - hope being biggest), we call this faith(delusional).

I think calling it a delusion might be a little off, I think it depends on the person, I do agree that if a person has said they seen god or hear god then they're delusional. But some people just wanna believe to feel comfortable, and they admit they've never seen or heard a deity, it's still irrational though, just like Deism. I bet if the founding fathers were alive today, a good amount of them would have no issue being atheist.

You assume they are delusional based on your own life experience. Technically it is impossible to prove if it's some celestial being or a psychological disorder talking to them in their heads. We just assume it is the latter.

Originally Posted by M.Easy

perception is reality, but is reality, reality?

i once tripped on salvia (i don't recommend this), i experienced something i've come to learn as 'ego death'. i watched my self die, i watched my self twist from my finger tips to my feet. i felt every bit of sensation with an INTENSE MAGNITUDE through my body(constant body feelings during whole trip). i watched our world, our earth, our dimension as we know it, my view zoomed out to the point where our dimension was just a window in a never ending sky scraper(so it seemed) and all other windows were other dimensions, then suddenly i got a terrible feeling in my stomach, i knew the ending of all things were near. it appeared to me that this sky scraper was being crushed, from the top to the bottom.. and we were only a few stories from the great hammer pounding down.

long story short, our dimension was soon crushed. i faded into blackness, i awoke slowly and our reality unraveled. my heart was racing, like i've never experienced before.

i questioned our own reality.
it felt like i lived a whole life time in the 5-7 minute hallucination i had.

schizophrenia has been in our family for decades, i can't imagine the daily life of those people.

Cool. Whenever I dream about dying I too fade into black unconsciousness. I hate days after those dreams. Feel like a zombie.

If you feel better about your delusion by calling me a massive idiot, by all means.

What is your drive, kido? Why do you choose to rise every day to go to work, feed and bathe your body, and not simply sit there and die? And before you attempt to troll, answers like "because I enjoy working" will not do it.

You know too little of yourself. Reason without faith (and I did not mean the "Jesus" kind of faith) cannot exist. Because the kind of reason that has all the answers does not exist either.

What is your drive, kido? Why do you choose to rise every day to go to work, feed and bathe your body, and not simply sit there and die? And before you attempt to troll, answers like "because I enjoy working" will not do it.

You know too little of yourself. Reason without faith (and I did not mean the "Jesus" kind of faith) cannot exist. Because the kind of reason that has all the answers does not exist either.

My drive is existence. I enjoy existing; it's awesome to exist. I do what I do to make my existence better, more fun, more interesting, and to spend more time with my wife.

Where's my faith?

Originally Posted by GodOfTheAges

No one is absolutely on the left or absolutely on the right, everything is to a varying degree.

What is your drive, kido? Why do you choose to rise every day to go to work, feed and bathe your body, and not simply sit there and die? And before you attempt to troll, answers like "because I enjoy working" will not do it.

Probably cause it's fun to live, derp.

I never understood that silly argument "Why live when there's no afterlife?"

If anyone has shared an acid/deep mushroom trip with others around, you will experience unexplainable things with certain people thats too real to be a trip, it opens your mind. its some wierd shit, i've seen things that i cannot explain. im not THAT crazy either.

If anyone has shared an acid/deep mushroom trip with others around, you will experience unexplainable things with certain people thats too real to be a trip, it opens your mind. its some wierd shit, i've seen things that i cannot explain. im not THAT crazy either.

Great. Another acid/mushroom guy who thinks because his brain is incredible and shows strange visions and feels weird then it means there's more to the universe than just material.

First off there are qualifications that have to be filled for someone to be seen as delusional. Believing in a after life or a God does not fill those qualifications.

Second Freud is meh. Anyone that quotes Freud but then goes on to diss religion is extremely shortsighted. Freuds thoughts on the human psyche are the same as religion and God. They're mostly unverifiable. So I find that hilarious. Also Jung is much more interesting and open minded.