This is a general message to all of you in YYZ, by now all employees have heard that the GTAA have decided to make some changes regarding terminals. To my knowledge this is whats happening...All carriers in Terminal One are being moved to Terminal Three, Canadian & Air Canada domestic flights will now be in Terminal One. For the airlines in Terminal One this is a great opportunity I belive, as we have been working out of cramped conditions of Terminal One. It will not be an easy transition, as of now the GTAA has not givin us a time frame as to how long they are giving us to move out. For any passengers that read this, the following airlines will be affected:
Air Transat
Royal Airlines
Skyservice
BWIA
Malev
Aeoroflot
Delta
ComAir (Delta Connection)
Northwest
Midwest Express
SkyWay (Midwest Express Connetion)
Olympic
Air Ukraine
American Trans Air
First Air
Guyana Airways
LACSA
Martinair
SATA
TWA

Now, please tell me, why on earth would Canadian and Air Canada move to T1?!! Why would they move from their luxurious accommodations of T2 and T3 to the "cramped conditions" (as TransatGuy puts it) of T1????????

According to Canadian Clips, Canadian's employee newslines, Canadian confirmed rumours that CP and AC are considering moving different operations (such as AC's int'l flights to T3) between T2 and T3, not T1.

I also heard (unofficially) that AC and CP would consolidate all domestic and USA flights to T2 and all other international flights to T3. I can't see them taking over T1 at all, especially considering their lounge facilities, and other stuff that's already set up at T3 from CP.

Just a couple of points to consider. First of all, I think YYZ is going to have quite a reduction in flights. Sure, it will get new routes to cities such as Munich, Amsterdam, and into the USA to Austin Texas and Orange County California, among others, but what about the traffic that's going to get moved out of YYZ? What about the traffic that will be taken out of YYZ from new routes such as Halifax-Vancouver, Edmonton-Montreal, or Calgary-Newark, or from plans to increase service on current routes such as Vancouver-Montreal and Winnipeg-Ottawa? Also, what about the capacity reduction to trim excess flights and extra seats from the network, at least in part on routes into YYZ (especially CP's triangle schedule). I think that although it will be bigger than AC was on its own, the YYZ hub will shrink from the combined separate operations of CP and AC in the past few years.

Also, what about the new terminal being built to replace T1 and T2? Sure, AC and CP will probably move into there together when it's done, leaving T3 for current tenants and those from T1, but that's some time away yet. In the meantime, I don't think AC really wants to use T1 if it can avoid it. If anything, it would just divert flights away from YYZ onto another routing so that it could fit everything into T2 (remember, they can stagger flights to use gates more of the time to squeeze more capacity out of it). I wonder if AC is going to suddenly be a supporter of the "T-NEW" project to replace T1 and T2 now? They were pretty opposed to it in the past as too expensive, but maybe now they figure they'll need it. Maybe if they can shutdown T1 earlier than they had hoped by a net reduction of operations by CP at T3, then they could speed up T-NEW construction? I've heard YYZ T3 is underutilized, how much free space is there? How many gates are at T1?

Just a point of information please AC183. I take it that AC is Air Canada
Who is CP?

My opinion of YYZ is that if ever a terminal needs tearing down, it is that
monstrous apology for an airport terminal, and that is Terminal 2. I know
YYZ well, going back to when it was Known as Malton Airport and the
forerunner of Air Canada was in those days knoown as Trans Canada.

You paid a dime to go through a turnstile on the single storey roof to watch
the low numbers DCs, Constellations, Stratocruisers etc. coming and going.

Today CP is known as Canadian Airlines but these were originally the call letters for Canadian Pacific Airlines. CP was purchased by PWA (Pacific Western Airlines) and by 1990 was a comglomerate of 5 different airlines known as Canadian Airlines. The CP identifier was retained by PWA for it's recognition value as Canadian Pacific was the bigger and better known airline when it was bought.

Peter, is that supposed to be a point to make me think about the history of the company? CP is now Canadian Airlines, but I fully realize the long history it has, some of which is even shared with Air Canada. Between the late '70's and early '90's the mergers and buyouts that formed Canadian Airlines and its affiliates combined airlines such as Canadian Pacific Airlines, Pacific Western Airlines, Transair, Nordair, Time Air, Eastern Provincial Airlines, Quebecair, NorCanAir, Wardair, Calm Air, and others. And all of their history is hiding behind that generic Canadian Airlines brand image and their CP designator.

I don't know exactly when T-New is supposed to open(sometimes in 2005?), but I do know that it's going to be awfully difficult for all these airlines to be reshuffled, like all the US and international carriers going to T3, for example. I have seen in a master plan several months ago that some carriers will have to drop off and take in passengers at a "temporary passenger holding area" sitting right in the middle of the airport grounds, between the runways and all that, connected only by an underground tunnel to T3. This is something that will be set in the time frame between the closing of T1 and T2 and the opening of T-New. This may occur between 2003 and 2005. After that, the "temporary holding area" would then be converted to a cargo facility.

I herd that T-new is going to be connected to T-3. Does anyone know about that? Also T-1 will be dimmolished and T-2 will still be staying up for some reason. Also I did hear that Canjet was going to fly DH8's from YHM-YYZ. Need more info.
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Transitguy, we almost had it right. You have a good fly on the wall whispering to you. T1 is to be for the exclusive use of AC and CAIL for international flights. T2 will be for domestic and transborder flights for AC and CAIL (the word exclusive was not used in the press release). So now that it is official I am asking: which terminal will the carriers of the Star Alliance operate from? Anyone have any facts or ideas?

Yeah Is T-2 still going to be a terminal once T-New comes in. I know the first phase will be done in 2003. Also are they building a parkade where T-new is going to be? Please give me the details.
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