Ukip aren’t just David Cameron and the Tories’ problem anymore

How the Tory party will react if, as excepted, Ukip pushes the party into third place in the European elections is one of the most discussed topics in UK politics. But overlooked in all this is how Labour will react if Farage’s party beats them on May 22nd.

If Ukip come top in the European Elections, as the polls indicate they have a very good chance of doing, Labour will be thrown into a panic. No opposition has ever triumphed at a general election having not won the previous European Elections. A failure in the European Elections would be a big blow to the idea that Ed Miliband is going to be the next Prime Minister.

Already, influential members of the shadow Cabinet are grumbling about how the leadership hasn’t taken these elections seriously enough. As I report in the Mail on Sunday today, there’s a lot of grumbling about how Labour’s campaign team were off in the States last week rather than here, preparing for this contest.

If Ukip do beat Labour and the Tories keep their nerve, two big ifs, then Cameron could emerge relatively unscathed from the Farage earthquake.

I find it absolutely laughable, that Forsyth thinks UKIP are just going to disappear after the EU elections. The window has been opened, the fresh air has filled the room. The people will not go back to the old parties in 2015.
Forsyth is right to note Milliband needs to be concerned; I live in the people’s republic of South Yorkshire, everyone I speak to seems to be voting UKIP on the 22nd. The people are sick of managed decline, time for people who believe in Britain.

Jikli

In news: Tory canvassers are complaining they were chased out of a council estate by ‘UKIP supporters ‘ shouting “we want Nigel Farage” and throwing stones

I shouldn’t laugh, or condone such behaviour, but it seems the public are starting to dish it out to Lab/Con/Lib.

Still the MSM don’t get that this is the start of a British political revolution.

glurk

I wish, I really wish I could trust any of them to do their job without lying. I agree its a foolish, childish pipe-dream to wish for that, we are what we are but Im so damn weary with the lot of them that Id vote for a real live fairy with a magic wand as long as she shut up from time to time… Im off to read OK mag…

Look at the shares of the votes in 2009 and compare them to the opinion poll ratings for these elections, and it can be seen why being beaten by UKIP would not cause Labour anything like as much distress as it would cause the Tories.

UKIP just beat Labour last time, with 16.5% versus 15.7%; but both are set to win more seats this time, while the Tories are set to lose seats they won in 2009.

Chingford Man

What on earth possessed Miliband to go on a Marr sofa with Farage? Nigel just made him look like a shifty school swot running away from a debate.

Alexsandr

meybe becaiuse he is shifty school swot running away from a debate.

Denis_Cooper

Yes, he’s a fool; Cameron is wiser, or more cowardly, and if he debates with Farage at all it will not be a head-to-head, mano-a-mano, contest, because Cameron will insist on taking along three friends to help him.

tiooooijj

Lab/Con/Lib could halt UKIP by holding a referendum before Christmas and leaving the EU,…….. they wont of course , the Grand EUSSR project must prevail at all costs!

UKIP is already transforming itself into a professional party of domestic government.

With a huge increase in funding and staffing after May….. Labour and Tories face a real fight in 2015

http://www.ukipsupporter.blogspot.co.uk/ Bill Sticker

When not if the UKIP earthquake happens Cameron is finished. The night of the long knives will be a picnic compared to what the Tory troops will do to him post 22nd May. Likewis the smug Milliband is also sleepwalking to a humiliation the like of which he will scarcely comprehend.

All Camerons empty promises will never materialise as he wont be around to lead the party long before 2017 ever gets here.

Nigel for PM!!

Holly

I agree with everything you say, right up to ‘smug……

Conway

“If Ukip do beat Labour and the Tories keep their nerve, two big ifs,
then Cameron could emerge relatively unscathed from the Farage
earthquake.” That sounds like wishful thinking. If UKIP comes first, the political landscape will have changed forever. None of the traditional parties will emerge unscathed.

saffrin

Miliband’s bottled it.

glurk

Nigel at least talks faster than Milicent and with less melodramatic gesticulation, therefore getting it all over but I dont rate the purple socks..

Holly

I spotted them as well….Is it some sub-conscious, twilight zone message?
Maybe it will be a million pound question on some rubbish ITV quiz show of the future.
Maybe we’re like some future contestants????

glurk

Just what I was thinking….we’ll mint it! donate to some cause or other (not political) or.,….. shoes…….call me!

swatnan

If the Tories and Labour had any sense, they’d write off these Euros and give them up as a bad lot. By 2015 UKIPs thunder will have been truly spent, and there will be internal strife and eventual decline just like the BNP.

Alexsandr

dream on.

Raddiy

Kippers living and working in the North have been talking on the blogs since before the 2010GE that the old Labour working class vote was coming to us because of the betrayal they felt after the open door in 2004. For 4 years we have been ignored as the Westminster bubble has been obsessed with it only being a Tory problem.

Might I suggest if you want to know something about what is going on, you might be better served getting out and talking to people like NIgel and the rest of us do, rather than repetitively pontificating the same old, same old Westminster clueless analysis from the comfort of your offices.

Here is another tip for you. The commentariat are predicting the UKIP vote will crash after the Euro’s, and the Westminster politicians are hoping the UKIP will crash after the Euro’s.
It won’t, it will grow some more upto Newark, and then perhaps drop back a bit before stabilising at or around where it is today 12-15% to the GE campaign, our big advancement in the North will be upto 2020 as Milliband and Co hack off even more of the working class by ignoring them.
Labour are scared in the North, they have been even worse then the Tories in recognising that their hegemony over a large section of the population is coming to an end. They are going to have the biggest wake up call imaginable on the 22nd, and it is at this eleventh hour that they are just starting to realise what is going on, and surprise, surprise responding with exactly the same panic measures that the Tories used.
If politics wasn’t such a serious matter, it would be laughable watching their mindless drones talking to people in such a condescending manner, as if the only news their ‘client state’ have access to is the Daily Mirror.

Tom

I don’t know if you watch QT but Yvette Cooper was on there and she was saying, we understand people’s concern about immigration Labour made a mistake before and we are listening to what people have to say.
How patronising and how transparent to try and win a few votes with these platitudes.

Raddiy

I try to avoid QT, I am running out of bricks, and can’t afford to keep replacing the telly.
I know what you mean, they all say it on the doorstep, but have nothing to say. A Labour guy recently told me they have been told not to bring up immigration or the EU, and to try and avoid any public conversations with a voter that wants to discuss it.

Wessex Man

I quite like it, it’s certainly funnier than Have I got News for You nowadays.

Holly

With her ‘furrowed’ brow, just to show us how ‘understanding’ and ‘concerned’ she is….Pity the wretched little dog didn’t put her mouth and furrowed brow into action when her party were in government….
just four years ago.

Tom

Haha spot on Holly.

ButcombeMan

Axlegrease training on the new message.

No one is fooled.

Holly

I have been saying for a while that UKIP will do okay in the North.

I would love to see Farage take Balls seat…and his Mrs/any little helper take Cooper’s.
Two of the most bogus bods I’ve ever seen….Until Chuck or Harman comes on the telly.

I don’t believe David Cameron can survive a sub-20% showing in these elections.

Somebody in that clueless gaggle of greedheads will have to sober up and realize that it’s time to make a move. The ship is badly holed, and it’s going to go down, absent firm action.

Holly

Plus the fact that he”l still be handcuffed to Clegg & Co who will be even more unreliable Coalition partners after the drubbing their lot hopefully get in the Euro elections.
What is the collective term for a bunch of mardy Lib Dems?

the viceroy’s gin

My term for them is “hostages”.

A proper conservative would have made them hostages the moment they put their signature on that coalition agreement.

Well let me be the first to say that should this be the agreed format I will boycott the Misfit vs the Creep snore bore of lies and the further pointless uninformative exercise that adds the worthless Clegg. To support those two debates will be to support the corrupt closed shop of the establishment parties that has done so much damage to this country since the second world war. I will only watch the real debate with the leaders of the five parties who will seriously contest this election.

Isn’t it about times that the debates and all other considerations regarding elections were viewed through the unbiased prism of the intent of all parties to win a majority (i.e. by putting up sufficient candidates) rather than resort to this negotiation circus with government parties who are only concerned about giving themselves as much improper advantage as possible

Its very simple to set a rule that says any party who puts up 326 (or a higher threshold) of candidates will be included in the debates and any party who objects can sit them out. That would end the cycle of tiresome and irritating debate over a minor aspect of election bureaucracy.

These debates should not be for the benefit of the Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition but for the benefit of the British public and to continue with these farcical negotiations with Downing Street is an abuse of democracy!

PS We do not have a presidential system in this country and it is arrogant, elitist, self-serving and undemocratic of Downing Street to even contemplate such a pretense no matter how in awe of/ love with himself Cameron is….

the viceroy’s gin

It is an open question as to whether the current occupants of Downing Street will still be occupants therein, come these “debates”.

The Speccie’s Cameroonian lickspittle is yammering about the Millipedes being hurt by UKIP, but it is his buddy Dave who is at risk, 18 days from now.

Richard N

Liblabcon – and of course, the EU Commission – will be congratulating themselves on the EU having been designed so that no matter what happens in the EU elections, the totally unelected EU Commission, unaccountable to anybody, can carry on regardless of the make-up of the rubber stamp EU Parliament.

So much for European democracy now. Europe is ruled by an unelected government – the EU Commission – which, together with the place men at the head of all EU national governments, hold all the cards of power, where the EU Parliament is only there to delude the suckers into thinking that they still live in democracies.

Holly

That is precisely why I do not vote in the EU elections….They are simply a tool to make us think we have some sway on what gets churned out every day….Farage is part of the problem as far as I’m concerned.

IF he fought elections over here, with as much enthusiasm as he does to protect his own position over in Europe, maybe, just maybe he would already have a couple of seats in the UK Parliament by now.

What has any MEP, from any member country, achieved for their people?
What will Farage be able to sort out for the benefit of the UK if he does win?
Diddley squat!
Diktats, rules and bureaucratic mumbo jumbo, followed to the letter by the Labour party, and continued, to a fashion, with a few pleasantries, under the Coalition.
In 2010 Cameron should have said to the EU…’YOU have X number of months to give us X, Y, Z’, ‘or we have an ‘IN’ ‘OUT’ referendum in May 2014′…..
Oh I forgot…I’m stupid….The EU doesn’t ‘work’ like that

Richard N

Why on earth do people persist in saying Cameron should have said this or that to the EU?

Incredible that people STILL don’t realize that Cameron, Milliband and Clegg are EU puppets – and they would never have been made head of their respective parties if they had not signed up to the EU conspiracy.

Do people really, seriously, think it is some amazing coincidence that every single head of government for all countries of the EU is gung-ho pro-EU?

How can people still not get this?

Just as the EU Parliament is a complete sham, so is the delusion that the mainstream national parties of all Europe are remotely democratic?

With the block vote system whereby all MPs obey whatever their EU puppet masters order them – with those national leaders in turn being ordered by their EU masters on what policies to have, EVERYTHING is controlled by the EU Commission.

All the rest is just illusion – to sucker people into not realizing that all Europe is now governed by the EU Commission, who are elected by nobody, and accountable to nobody.

And in just the same, all mainstream European media is controlled by the EU, via their puppet national parties in each country.

That is why you have seen UKIP being endlessly attacked for ‘racism’ by all of the media and the liblabcon EU puppet party – because the EU fears any party depending on a sense of national identity above all other things.

ButcombeMan

Being an MEP gives a platform for promoting change across Europe that a national parliamentarian cannot achieve.,

There is even a view, not far from Cameron, that a huge vote for UKIP strengthens the hand of the next government.

You should vote UKIP in the EU elections for that reason

Tom

I know you don’t like Farage but I can’t see how he as let UKIP down in elections.

Will Rees

The EUropean Parliament will have to endorse the European Council’s choice for the Commision under the new rules (in the treaty we didn’t get a vote on). Looks like they may well stick it to the Council and put their own suggestions forward saying that it is they who have the mandate. Would be similar to how we end up with UK government.

Thing is not sure they do have a mandate all the stuff I’m hearing about in the EUro elections is immigration (not a EP function), lots of stuff about the Scotland referendum (not a EP function), even the bedroom tax (not a EP function).

How can you claim a mandate if you expect people to give you one due to entirely unrelated things?

If the EP does thrawt the wishes of the Council, could be the start of UK government unravelling. And extended life for UKIP. Will also be worth seeing what sie of the fence SNP takes in that debate – they used their PEB to tell me about September, ticking it to Westminster must be tempting but they need Council to get in EU if things go their way.

Gwangi

The fact is that most people just do not think the way the London-centric and Westminster village media pixies do, and not the way the political elite do either.
Let me give one example: Jeremy Clarkson mumbles a well-known rhyme in a clip he knows won’t be broadcast, and without any intention to disparage or offend anyway.
What happens? Does it get ignored as it should have been. Nope – the racist obsessives at the BBC and in our pc elites have a characteristically niggardly response to anyone who dares use a word on their banned list, even if it was mumbled and never broadcast and not in any way in a racist context.
And so the diversity dogs growl and snarl at him – and the swivel-eyed mob circles and jeers, hungry for a hanging.
Most people see this for the absurd over-reaction and distraction that it is; and most can see how anyone with views that do not fit the media’s pc touchy-feeliness is singled out, picked on, rejected and – if possible – taken off air (just ask David Starkey). That is an example of why UKIP is getting more and more support. They are the only party that has not lost all sense of proportion and common sense on such matters.

derek thecat

Excellent post…..thank you!

Faceless Bureaucrat

Has anyone asked how the ‘Out-take’ from Clarkson’s piece got passed to the media? who was responsible for this act? Just askin…

Holly

Who cares?
I love Clarkson.

starfish

Two weeks of vilification and character assassination by the MSM has produced record polls for UKIP

Lucky the bubble muppets really understand public opinion isnt it

Looling forward to similar levels of scrutiny for lib lab con…..

DavidL

When considering who gets my vote in the European Elections I can choose UKIP if I’m in favour of getting out of the EU; I can vote Conservative, if I’m in favour of trying to change the EU from within, but leave open the option of leaving. I can vote LibDem if I am unreservedly in favour of staying in. But what am I voting for if I vote Labour? Does it have a position on Europe? I genuinely don’t know.

Grey Wolf

Labour does have a position – stupid as it may be – status quo.

Rhoda Klapp8

Please explain where you heard that the tories are willing to leave the EU if they can’t change it? Cameron has stated explicitly that he wants to stay in. They have never discussed the possibility of actually leaving, they are desperate to avoid saying that having hung their hats on the quite unrealistic proposition of renegotiation followed by a referendum which would not be a binding in/out and even if it were who could expect an unwilling government to carry out the will of the people if it was out?

Tory policy is just a delaying action. It isn’t realistic in any other terms. It is designed to keep eurosceptics contained while not offending europhiles.

Milliband and Co have ambled along smirking to themselves as they see Cameron struggling to contain UKIP, all the while expecting an easy UKIP assisted victory for Labour.

Suddenly Labour begin see UKIP is just as much a threat to them! Why the surprise? Labour / Tory / Lib Dem are all pushing virtually identical policies with regard to Europe and to immigration. They are therefore equally vulnerable to attack from UKIP.

UKIP has as much relevance to the low paid, under paid, unskilled, semi-skilled and unemployed indigenous population as it does to the those seeking an exit from the EU and the return of sovereignty.

Labour have woken up to the threat, but it is far too late. UKIP already has the momentum needed to take outright victory in the European Parliamentary Elections.

All the efforts by the paid trolls who have suddenly appeared here will not make one jot of difference to the result on the 22nd.

Holly

I did reply to you, but it has been sent into the ether.

an ex-tory voter

Nevertheless, thanks for taking the trouble.

Iain Hill

Parties are woefully obsessed with themselves and scoring points over each other.
They ignore the elephant in the room, which is that the UK is breaking up [or down?] of its own accord. Scotland is going, and NI will be next.. The DK of England will be left trying to dominate only itself.

Why has no UK government thought into the future and “made an offer” to its constituent countries based on a loose federation organised so that all decisions are made in line with the wishes of the people? Is it too late even now?

All the rest is simply a ploy to ensure that people like Marr and Miliband get paid salaries beyond their value as entertainers. Sounds bitter? It is, since so many opportunities have been bypassed.

Holly

They have become so juvenile they are insulting.

Wessex Man

they always have been.

Jonathan Burns

Despite what online polls have been showing re Scotland, traditional polls show very little change with high 30% wanting independence, high 40% not wanting it and 20% undecided. Westminster would want rid of NI but people ignore the fact that Catholics are slit three ways between status quo, united Ireland and don’t care. Status quo has a small lead in fact.

ButcombeMan

I watched that terrible performance by Milliband on Marr this morning. Quite plain that Farage was toying with him and vastly amused.

Milliband did not rise to the challenge to debate Europe with Farage within the next two weeks.

“Frit” would seem to apply.

Milliband does not show any trace of courage or even much brain.

Truly awful.

Holly

Decided to tidy up the garden, when I saw these two were on.

Much more interesting, and fulfilling, to watch a blackbird eating worms at the side of you. It is quite an ‘honour’.

ButcombeMan

Holly.
I am a stickler for detail and accuracy. .

Did you “tidy up the garden” or did you “do the washing up” or, much more likely, are you trolling & making it up as you go along.

I have seen through you.

@PhilKean1

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If UKIP beat Labour and Cameron’s Party in the Euro elections, then the British people are the winners.

Sadly, some of them don’t yet understand why this is the case.
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Holly

Only because we have been kept in the dark.
The MSM have decided what we hear for decades.
I reckon the three main parties have pushed us to the point of no return..
Whether that will transpire in the General Election, who knows.
Do enough of us have the bottle to make the ‘tough choice’??
Could I ever ‘hold my nose’, become a hypocrite, and vote for Farage’s party?
I don’t know whether that would be too ‘tough’ a choice to make.
I can not stand the EU trougher.

@PhilKean1

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Yes, Holly. The establishment parties have backed us into a corner.

And yet, even today, they arrogantly assume we’ll come running back to them in 2015.

Best they learn now that there is a far greater danger facing the British than Socialist Labour. Labour can be removed at General Elections – THE EU CAN’T !
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Tom

Correct the way some people go on you would think putting Labour into power was a life decision.
Should Labour get in I think it may well spell the end of them as a powerful party, they will make such a mess of it they will lose thousands of voters and more than likely to UKIP.

Holly

Put Labour back in, and we will be so far ‘in Europe’ NO ONE will be (legally) able to get us out.

@PhilKean1

Then Cameron needs to start taking Britain’s loss of Sovereignty seriously so we are able to vote for his party.

The longer he thinks he can get away with insulting our intelligence, the more irrecoverable the situation becomes.
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ButcombeMan

Holly. If you are going to comment like that It would surely be better to read the rules?

Article 50 can always get us out, it is in the rules of the club (though Cameron dare not mention it). It provides for two years to negotiate subsequent arrangements/relationship..

Any attempt to overturn or remove Article 50, automatically triggers a referendum in Britain or that is the united position of LibLabCon.

@PhilKean1

The same old coercion is being exerted for 2015 as it was in 2010.

Sadly, and to my eternal shame, I stupidly gave Cameron the benefit of the doubt and voted for him.
You will understand how betrayed I felt when he did the opposite of what he led us to believe once he’d secured our votes.
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The_Missing_Think

“Labour can be removed at General Elections – THE EU CAN’T !”
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YES IT CAN!

Either a UKIP / Tory coalition evokes Article 50.

Or even 34% vote UKIP, for a UKIP majority Govt.

There is no other route, bar civil war, and hopefully, that’s far less likely than a UKIP Govt.

Which is your choice?

@PhilKean1

I and anyone I can convince WILL be voting UKIP unless Cameron stops insulting our intelligence.
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Tom

Are you one of those that say they support no party?.

Holly

I am one of ‘those’ who say they do not slavishly support any political party, if they do stuff that I find…..erm….Off-putting.
Labour….proven many times to be unfit for office.
Lib Dems…Untrustworthy, slimy creeps.
Cameron… a limp wristed liberal, who gives in to Clegg far too easy, even when going against a policy proposed by his own team.
Farage a trougher over in Europe….

I do not owe any of them my vote, and up to now, none of them are worthy of it.
Sick of the lot of them.

Raddiy

You moan about them Holly, and then every 4-5 years vote the same way, giving you something to moan about for the next 4-5 years.

The simple fact is we are never going to fix our broken democracy if people are too scared to stand up and be counted. You could moan for the rest of your life, and go to your grave having failed to change anything. We can’t move forward to a new politics if people are afraid to let go of nanny.

“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself… FD Roosevelt

Holly

I have voted for Thatcher, Michael Howard, and Cameron.
Two of them would NEVER have dumped us where we are today, and one of them, said one thing, and did nothing.

I am not fearful of voting, I am fearful of what the gobshites in the running intend to do.

I sat and watched Farage’s interview with Marr, and simply ‘listened’.
I then did the same with Miliband, and I turned it off when it got to the railways bit…Why does he smirk all the time? He comes across as if he is taking the pi*s.

Farage did not say anything that I did not wholeheartedly agree with.
Miliband droned on, I stopped listening, and my eyes glazed over! I went and did the washing up FGS!
How many questions did Marr actually manage to get in, during his ‘interviewing of Miliband, so as not to interrupt his well rehearsed set pieces.

Going on what I saw and heard today….
Mmmmmm….. maybe I’m going to be a hypocrite on 22 May?????

Wessex Man

er, Holly maggie Thatcher campaigned to keep us in the EEC in the last referendum.

you_kid

This is what the future of British public discourse will look like: a discussion about ‘Forward Socialism’

Red Ed pretends to offer a socialist alternative to the people of Britain. Of course we understand he is not really doing that at all.
The energy price cap does not address the core issue of lack of competition in the markets.
The rent cap does not address the core issue of undeserved asset price rises in the capital city only.

None of Red Ed’s policies are socialist because his policies are carefully worded LibLabCon policies. The only REAL socialists are UKIP – they are the ones offering as their main message in the Euros the message of restrictions to free movement of labour based on *skill*. They only propose socialist protectionism of what could be a free market. Red Ed could never do that.

Only UKIP are true socialists.

Say it loud and with pride:
I vote UKIP because I am a socialist!

the viceroy’s gin

Well, yes, you are a socialist nutter envirowhacko, no doubt, you and all your sockpuppets.

you_kid

Is this your response to my superior outlook, lad?
It is high time for the socialists of Britain to unite. UKIP could play an active role in all of this. Forward Socialism of curtailing markets instead of offering an environment in which the markets could function is the name of the UKIP game. Your great new leader has confirmed many times it was!

Plant food, lad – that would be plant food.
Are you saying you worry about that now? Only socialists do, lad.

the viceroy’s gin

Nope, still impenetrable gibberish, lad. Can you get a fellow nutter translator in here?

Grey Wolf

Were you always an idiot and did you just become one? What have you been eating?

auntyeleet

Are you too thick to realise how stupid you sound?

the viceroy’s gin

Go fix me some cocoa, aunty.

auntyeleet

please accept grovelling apology, must have made a mistake, meant that for the you kid nutter

Grey Wolf

You should just carry banner saying you are an idiot. That would suffice.

Wessex Man

Well if you want to say loud and proud say it.

Colin

I’d like to think UKIP could win the EU Elections and then go on to secure a couple of seats of the 2015 General Election. I really would, because it would provide the platform for the beginning of the total reset our political system badly needs.

The Political / Media Complex currently has its collective foot on our collective throat; so, it would be interesting to see the reaction of the media if Farage and his pals ended up holding the balance of power after the next election. In reality, UKIP may only require three or 4 seats for that to happen. sadly, however, in reality, the deck is stacked against UKIP at a General Election and nothing short of a political earthquake / miracle will see them with even one seat. Which is a shame.

the viceroy’s gin

If they take +40% on May 22, it’d be hard to keep them locked out of Parliament. They’d only need half that support to begin taking MP’s.

you_kid

The beauty of FPTP English democrackery.

the viceroy’s gin

…can any other of you socialist nutters translate this nutter’s gibberish?

Iain Hill

Perfectly sensible to reasonable people.

oldestel

Well tells us then – what is he trying to say?.

Inverted Meniscus

No it is utter gibberish and socialist nuttery.

the viceroy’s gin

Perfectly sensible to you socialist nutters, you mean.

Tom

We will know more after the local elections, which will show where the strongest support is for UKIP.
In the comres poll it showed 52% of those from the West Midlands certain to vote, will vote for UKIP.
I am from the West Midlands and I feel it can be an happy hunting ground for UKIP.
There are many marginals and in a 3 way split anything around 30% could win a seat.

you_kid

ComRes are con artists. You do not understand their data, never mind what kind of certainty a 2,052 weighted=unweighted sample figure actually delivers.

We shall see how far out they are quite soon.
Normally they are one of the more reliable.

Holly

This is another reason I get bemused…
Why would people vote for UKIP as a ‘protest’, then go and vote for the parties they say they are ‘protesting’ against in the General Election?
Surely it is in the General Election when we should be voting for UKIP en masse. Otherwise the political bods will continue to take our vote for granted, and rightly so, if we are so rubbish at making ‘tough’ decisions.

Have the Westminster bubble bods got a better handle on us, and how we act in certain situations, than we think?

the viceroy’s gin

Yes, they know that 60-80% of the electorate is pure tribalist, and will vote for whichever tribe of LibLabCon is their fav. They’d vote for Fidel Castro, if he held up their tribal banner.

The question is, how many of these tribalists will show up to vote?

Seadog

Not that I would know of course, but it is said that the first time you commit adultery is the hardest, thereafter it gets progressively easier. Perhaps this applies to voting UKIP as well.

the viceroy’s gin

Well, some of the Kippers seem to have been caught en flagrante YouTube recently, as I recall, so we should be wary of video cameras in all our electoral affairs.

Wessex Man

Well, some of the Tories seem to have been en flagrante at their Tory party Conference in 2011 at taxpayers exspense in an Hotel paid for by the taxpayers of this country!

the viceroy’s gin

…I think they were caught en flagrante poofter, as I recall. So I guess by the newer rules, that makes it ok, if not mandatory.

Colin

Like I wrote, barring a political earthquake, ala Canada, when the mainstream parties were almost wiped out, the current system makes it hard for Farage and his pals to make the breakthrough they (we) need, come a general election.

the viceroy’s gin

The process in Canada took nearly 15 years to come to fruition, and more actually. The Camerluvvies are going to be wiped out, it will just take a similar amount of time.

saffrin

Still voting UKIP regardless of news Miliband is “thinking” about re-nationalising the railways.
See it to belive it.
Out of Europe comes first.

Iain Hill

Please Ed, do it! Do SOMETHING for the people!

starfish

Railway nationalisation does nothing for the people – good for the unions though

Where do you think these half baked ideas and failed ideas lile rent controls are coming from

The East Coast line if profitable, reliable and popular with those that use it.
It is publicly owned and Call me Dave is going to sell it off to his mates, just like he did with the profitable Royal Mail.

starfish

So are many private lines
I do not hanker after British Rail – 20 years’ experience tells me that is not the way to go

cargill55

None of the Liblabcon oligarchy is interested in anything other than meeting the needs of themselves, cronies, big business and buying votes through lied wherever a they can.
The legacy of Liblabcon over the last two decades confirms it is not fit for government and needs to be confronted and swept away.
In time UKIP will do that.

you_kid

The Magna Carta oligarchy is unopposed by UKIP.
They look outwards to blame immigration and the EU, not inwards to seek clarity of thought about what/who governs us. That is why they will fail – because, like Labour, they do not addess the core of any given/home-made issue.

the viceroy’s gin

…is that the consensus of all your sockpuppets, lad?

you_kid

hahaha! spent some time, have you?

the viceroy’s gin

Normal people aren’t sockpuppet trolls like you, laddie.

you_kid

You are a rough and unintelligent oaf, that is clear for everyone to see. Gather your sockpuppets, lad – you will need them to comfort you, given what’s coming.

the viceroy’s gin

Again, normal people don’t have sockpuppets, laddie.

You envirowhacko socialist nutters often do.

starfish

Trouble is although that sounds profound the core of many issues can be laid at thr door of the EU.Lucky we had a vote wasn’t it?

you_kid

The Magna Carta oligarchy have made sure you will have no say. Now, how will you blame immigrants and the EU for that?

starfish

‘Magna carta oligarchy’ – did you find that on a cereal packet or in some dodgy third rate former polytechnic student union debating club comrade?

you_kid

You believe you had control in ‘your’ country, lad?
You can’t even organise a referendum in this country that has no Parliament of its own.

Yes, we are governed by a Magna Carta oligarchy and the Scots will end it for us.

EU thrall

You’re so ignorant that it’s cruel to argue with you. It’s almost as though you’re autistic, although someone with autism has a much higher degree of intelligence. You resemble a lobotomised sheep.

Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

But YOU are opposed to UKIP, therefore you support this oligarchy.

Holly

‘The core of many issues can be laid at the door of’…..

…UK politicians. Who, over my lifetime, have been sinking us deeper and deeper into the EU….It is not entirely fair to blame the EU behemoth, when the UK politicians we elect are the ones adhering to what THEY signed us up to…

Behemoth.. (love that word, reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons, where they bought the camper van)

Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

The EU is the problem. It doesn’t matter who got us into it, what matters is who will get us out, but we can make a fair guess the one’s who got us into “the project” won’t be the ones to get us out.

Have you ever head the story of “Androcles”? The thorn represents the EU, the Lion is England, your argument is the Lion’s scruffy mane.

David

Beam me up, Scotty!

telemachus

The first cross-party campaign to condemn Nigel Farage’s party as racist is to be launched this week amid fresh polls showing Ukip may come first across England in the European elections in May.

The campaign is led by the former Labour immigration minister Barbara Roche, who claimed: “Ukip’s campaign needs to be exposed for what it is, a racist campaign. The party is practising what is in effect a form of ‘Euracism’. They are deploying the same language and tactics used by openly racist parties like the BNP, but instead of targeting migrants from Africa and Asia they are targeting migrants from within the EU.”

Ricky Strong

“Euracism” – best joke of the weekend that one tele

As for the racism you don’t need to tell us twice, we know it.

We want sensible immigration – we are racist
We love our country – we are racist
We want the ability to elect and remove those whom we invest our sovereignty in – we are racist
We want to help shape the laws under which we live – we are racist
We think the country is becoming overcrowded – we are racist
We think our national identity is fading – we are racist
We are proud of our history – we are racist
We love our culture – we are racist
We are sick and tired of our stagnated political system – we are racist……

telemachus

Euracism has it correct
I have spent the lat four days on the knocker in one of our great northern cities
I did some doors in the lee of the 26 million after your job poster
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There were 2 responses
Form the indiginous “what chance for the future do I have”
From the recents “Are they going to send us back”
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Everywhere a climate of fear
Stoked up by Farage

Drabble

What is so very wrong with those responses?
It is exactly what people think.
And they will vote accordingly.

telemachus

What is wrong is that we have a political party in our country that is gaining credence for appealing to the base instincts of racism

Colonel Mustard

What is wrong is that we have suffered from the lies of people like you and your horrid party for too long.

Blindsideflanker

Can you define racism?

Tom Allalone

Racism is any opinion put forward by anyone with whom the liberal left disagree. Anything that is not politically correct is, by definition, racist.

Holly

What is wrong is, we have two dominant political parties and neither one of them seem to get the gist of the public mood.

Ricky Strong

I do agree, there is a climate of fear and it is continually being stoked by the media, who instead of producing unbiased reports on what the key political debates are in this country make examples of the worst case scenarios and the very small minority of idiots.

telemachus

The media did not put up the racist billboards
UKIP clearly took advantage of the media’s duty to expose the moral degeneracy of this racist party
Sadly this duty exposed the base instincts of a segment of our voters

Wessex Man

You are worse than Nikki Sinclair just because you failed to win a seat for Ukip, you sad person you.

Ricky Strong

No, but they did single out every UKIP nut job the length and breadth of this country without giving so much as a paragraph for the 99% who hold legitimate concerns and reasonable views.

telemachus

What has become apparent over the last week or so is that it is so easy to find racist Ukip nutjobs that each newspaper has been able to find enough separate such to fill their pages
If Farage had an ounce of integrity he would apologise for the posters

Ricky Strong

As I pointed out on another post, if you want to find racists you can find them in any corner of society and in abundance. The Sikhs that own my local pub are some of the most racist people you will ever meet when it comes to Muslims (though I must add those same Sikhs are some of the most caring and generous people I have ever met). If you want to find racists you will, there are many of them, but they are a minority of people, we as a society have moved on from such immature views. It is you who is being disingenuous by smearing many good people with the foul racist brush and it will hit you hard in the elections. Listen to people more and try to understand their concerns before you condemn them.

telemachus

Astonishing
Of course I agree with what you say
But the issue is a leader who embraces racists and promulgates racist policies

Ricky Strong

If embracing racists begins by banning outright former BNP members then I am stumped.

As for policies, which race of people does Nigel aim them at?

telemachus

You can create good sound bites by banning former members as members
This is worthless if you at the same time go out to attract B N P voters

Ricky Strong

Soundbites?

Like a millionaire pontificating about a ‘cost of living crisis’?

For the record I know quite a few BNP members, most of them are just very frustrated but don’t know the best way to express their feelings. Without sounding like you and being condescending most of the BNP supporters I know didn’t have the best schooling, but if you talk to them openly and honestly I find that you can tame an otherwise extreme view. It’s a much better method than just wiping them off of your clunky opinionated boots.

Colonel Mustard

No he doesn’t. You are lying and smearing.

Holly

That is FAR too polite!
Glad you also included how nice sikhs are….because they are.

Ricky Strong

Their generosity is an example to us all. Everyone thinks Jesus fed the masses but I have no doubt it would have been the Sikhs who fed Jesus.

Conway

They also failed to single out and publicise any of the many nut jobs from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. Sins of omission, one might say.

Ricky Strong

Quite right. Was it 7 black Labour members who walked over over claims of racism? I’m only going on what I heard on QT because lo and behold it sure wasn’t in any newspaper.

ButcombeMan

Listen to him, hear it, understand it, Panic has set in at Labour Towers.

They will need to do better than send out telemachus.

Where is Axelgreaser when you need him.?

telemachus is a recruiting sergeant for UKIP.

telemachus

Labour are relaxed
The more UKIP succeed the more Tory marginals we seize
There is however the moral dimension

Holly

The climate of fear being in the Westminster bubble.

The public are not fearful, we are in agreement with Farage on most of the stuff he is saying.

I did but clearly not through your rose tinted spectacles
O’Flynn was patronising, rude, condescending an misogynistic
As well as racist

Holly

Faced with that tub, why try to flirt….

Wessex Man

how did you know i’ve got rose tinted spectacles?

now when did you quit UKip and where and when did you stand for UKIp?

Colonel Mustard

Ghastly woman. Who elected her to “lead” a cross party campaign?

ButcombeMan

Odious woman. Odious views. Thank god I am not married to her. O’Flynn thankfully, made her look silly.
Whoever appointed her, massive own goal.

telemachus

More misogyny to go with the generally racialist ripostes

Colonel Mustard

Do stop lying and smearing. You are devaluing the English language. Mind you, given that your party has devalued the English per se I suppose that is consistent.

Bert3000

“Patrick O’Flynn”

Nice British name. How did he get enough points to be allowed to live here? Or are we allowing racist scumbags in willy-nilly?

Wessex Man

well there’s a startling insightful dip into your racist old mind, typical!

telemachus

No
I mean well respected minister Barbara
Who as Minister responsible understands well the issues of immigration

foxoles

‘Well-respected’?

There must be two of them then.

telemachus

Not only well respected
But standing up for Christian British values on behalf of politicians across the political spectrum

Wessex Man

you traitor you!

telemachus

Wessex
Repent

Wessex Man

Stop bringing religion into it and tell me where and when you stood for UKip before your conversion to the dark side!

telemachus

You well know that anyone with a moral compass could not possibly stand for Ukip

Colonel Mustard

You mean like Brown’s infamous moral compass which has been exposed for what it is in today’s Sun?

telemachus

You know well that Gordon had more integrity in his little toe than Farage
You should campaign to get back to a political landscape where you can trust our leaders

Wessex Man

I’d ask your fellow party person Gillian Duffy about that tele baby.

telemachus

Duffy was a bigot
There are fewer bigots however in the whole of the Labour party than Ukip bigots in Sheffield

ButcombeMan

Your sort never learn

telemachus

What is there to learn
There is I agree a lot of work to do to educate and persuade

Colonel Mustard

Yes, you lot are not prepared to learn anything or admit when you are wrong. It is always someone else’s fault and you think they should all be coerced to conform to your ideas.

THAT is the problem with Labour.

telemachus

I believe in credit where credit is due
Yes of course there have been mistakes
But the balance check tells us that under Labour there is a fairer happier society
We should not seek more

Colonel Mustard

You believe in nothing but lying in order to win. You have admitted as such on many occasions here.

The balance check tells us nothing of the sort unless we swallow your party’s ridiculous propaganda. Under Labour our society has become more sectarian, more divisive, more violent, more unjust, more unequal, more grievance ridden and more miserable. So away with your silly boasts you party political goblin.

Wessex Man

I see, Gillian Duffy, a card carrying labour member is a bigot because she is concerned that UK people can’t get jobs after unfair competition from Eastern Europe.

This is why traditional Labour voters are joining UKip in droves.

You are truly a gift to UKip, keep it up.

telemachus

Folk want honesty and integrity

Colonel Mustard

Which is why they are turning to UKIP. Your party is rotten to the core and your silly propaganda is wasted here.

Now go away.

Colonel Mustard

Tripe. You are all habitual liars and con artists.

Inverted Meniscus

No he was the most disgusting, cowardly piece of scum ever to soil British public life. Apart from Ed balls of course.

telemachus

Inflammatory talk
One day we will hold him in the kind of regard apportioned to Churchill or Thatcher

Colonel Mustard

Doubt it. Only if we are compelled to by yet more oppressive Labour legislation of the North Korean kind.

Inverted Meniscus

No he will be held n the same account as bovine excrement.

Holly

Bozo doesn’t have toes.

ButcombeMan

Which is why he sold our gold of cheap, to his mates in the city no doubt.
An economic clown and on the face of things, possibly a corrupt economic clown.,

telemachus

But gave you the longest period of prosperity in history and rescued the world’s banks after the Lehman collapse blew in

Wessex Man

He saved the world? what a megalomaniac, yet you still worship the man, says it all about you you little fibber you.

telemachus

Yes
Gordon was honourable
What is there to say about Cameron and Clegg

Colonel Mustard

Far from honourable. A vindictive communist who would put his country through any misery in order to score points against the Tories.

ButcombeMan

Bigot, was the word Brown used

Wessex Man

you horrid person what’s Nige done to make you go all red in the face? refuse to let you be a candidate again, is that it?

telemachus

Nige
Nige?
That implies a friendly cuddly toy
Not a racist Rottweiler

Wessex Man

He’s not the Scottish racialist who called Gilian Duffy a bigot. He also proved that he’s not a racialist by marrying a foreigner!

You rancid racialist you.

Wessex Man

You stated on another thread that you did, the fact that you said it I rather think is now causing you problems, you said it hoping to knock UKip and thought that people would forget that you said it. You now know that I haven’t. You can now fess up and say you lied in the first instance or that you are lying now.

telemachus

Perhaps you should see someone

I am not however worried about you

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Although the delusional thoughts and hallucinations of schizophrenia sometimes lead to violent behavior, most people with schizophrenia are neither violent nor a danger to others.

foxoles

She’s not Christian; she’s Jewish.

Holly

Pity she failed to put her ‘understandings’ into practice…
Or did she?
Now that these ‘issues’ she ‘understands’ so well are having an effect on her bods, we are all, once again ‘racists’.

There is nothing racist in that UKIP poster. Unless it’s because the hand is white….

Colonel Mustard

It is beyond tedious. Racism used to refer to discrimination against those of another race. ‘Europeans’ as a generic are the same race as the indigenous British. Now xenophobia (itself extended to mean more than the word implies) has become ‘racism’. It is typical of the left that the only way to escape the accusation is to buy into their perverse manipulation of the language.

Inventing ‘Euracism’ just demonstrates what a sick and twisted puppy Roche is. She has no business ‘leading’ anything, let alone a campaign ‘against’ a perfectly legitimate political party. In fact she is inciting racial hatred by doing so and I hope someone complains to the police about HER.

cargill55

That is allmyiunwoukd expect from these anti British liberal left extremists who protect everyone and everything except Britain and .the British people.

telemachus

What you will get and what you should expect is a campaign across the political spectrum to get away from the racism of the last 2 weeks and back to the broad issues of EU membership

Colonel Mustard

And what you will get is the lesson of how people vote in the Euro elections regardless of what you think think they should get and expect you arrogant twerp.

telemachus

We all accept that Farage’s racist campaign will deliver a victory on 22 May
More of a drubbing for the Tories than the forces of reason
However I would wager that this will not translate into more than four or five seats in Westminster, if that next year
The voters are fortunately wise enough to know that Farage cann deliver nothing in a real poll, as well as having no policies on the issues of th day

Colonel Mustard

We’ll see.

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

By Roche’s comment YOU are RACIST. I mean, substitute Black or Asian for UKIP or Farage, there you go, YOU are RACIST.

Wessex Man

I agree entirely ban Labour and all things Lib/dum!

Inverted Meniscus

Starting with Telemachus the idiots idiot of choice and idiot supreme.

ButcombeMan

That “back to broad issues’ might have been possible if Red Ed had not ducked a debate with Farage during the next two weeks.

Ed is “frit”, just not upto it.

Embarrassing to see him on “Marr”

Wessex Man

broad issues, issues, Your Milipede has already said he won’t dicuss the EU, yet alone have a referendum, cowardice of the worst kind!

wycombewanderer

Isn’t she whoring herself around safe seats desperate to get her nose back in the trough?

telemachus

This is not about personalities
This is about raising the moral tone of British politics

wycombewanderer

Let’s see the Chilcot report if we’re going to raise the moral tone of politics in the UK then !

ButcombeMan

Last thing Labour want, their idol Blair, condemned for history.

Wessex Man

I’ll never understand why you ever joined UKip and stood as a candidate, where was that again and when?

telemachus

Repent

Colonel Mustard

Now you think you are the messiah you deranged little man.

You are not. You are just a very naughty boy.

Wessex Man

never mind repenting what did Nige do so bad that you left UKip after you had stood for them, where was that and when?

Ricky Strong

Perhaps Farage found out tele was a former BNP member – would explain all this nonsense about seeing the light and what not.

Colonel Mustard

You and your party lower it with constant lying.

Holly

Looking the part helps.
Having something coherent to say….
She fails on on both of these.

It is lucky for her that it is not about personality, because she has none.

Morals and Labour…Now you’re being silly.

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

By Roche’s comment YOU are RACIST. I mean, substitute Black or Asian for UKIP or Farage, there you go, YOU are the RACIST.

Seadog

Demonstrates the need for a paper bag if she is doing that.

Inverted Meniscus

Oh look everybody, the idiots idiot is back and being idiotic.

telemachus

You need to understand that following the herd like sheep does no credit to you or even to the racist politicians you defend

Wessex Man

STOIP THE PRESS ANOTHER COUNTY COUNCIL CANDIDATE TWEETS AGAINST ISLAM AND GAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No hang a minute don’t panic the Candidate is David Bishop a CONSERVATIVE, get the propaganda machine back in operation against UKip and bury this one!

telemachus

All the same
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It may have escaped your attention that I would also like to see the Tories burn

Ricky Strong

How civilised of you. All I really want is a proper factual debate. No lies, no spin but hard facts.

Wessex Man

so now you are showing your intolerant National Socialist side, were you thrown out of UKip and joined the national Socialist Labour party?

Harold Angryperson

Literally, you mean? Like in an Auschwitz oven?

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

By Roche’s comment YOU are the RACIST. I mean, substitute Black or Asian for UKIP or Farage, there you go, YOU are RACIST.

Colonel Mustard

You can’t get more herd like than the sheep (or wolves in sheep’s clothing) of the Fabian left. Divisive, lying sh*ts who play the “racist” card whenever they can’t get their own way.

Inverted Meniscus

How do you feel being so idiotic, brainless and stupid that the average idiot finds you too idiotic to bother with? Have you found a village in need of an idiot or are you just too stupid?

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

By Roche’s comments YOU are RACIST. I mean, substitute Black or Asian for UKIP or Farage, there you go, YOU are RACIST.

Colonel Mustard

For a blissful few days I thought we’d seen the back of you.

EU thrall

That’s so odd, I could have sworn I saw a comment from you exclaiming your leave?

Wessex Man

tele wants to be all things to all men and women, why he once was a member of UKip and stood as a candidate, I don’t know where or when because he’s thrown a strop and won’t tell me.

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

He is lying.

Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

Didn’t you say you were leaving?

telemachus

I have been on the stump in Liverpool

Colonel Mustard

Ah the capital city of leftist grievance mongering.

telemachus

No
I met some fine people there
People who still smart at the slurs perpetrated by the scum at the Sun
People who used to return a Liberal Council year on year until they saw how Jones had ratted on the ordinary people there in their pandering to the comfortable middle class
What yo do not find is anyone who has time for Ukip and it’s racist agenda
I recommend you travel up today to Toxteth and talk to some real people

Colonel Mustard

Yeah, yeah. We know all about your blinkered vision thanks.

ButcombeMan

I remember when Liverpool was bankrupted by Labour and socialism.

Point is, do you?

telemachus

You will find that was the Hatton regime (not Labour) that Kinnock threw out

ButcombeMan

Hatton WAS Labour.

Of an even more unpleasant kind than Red Ed.

You can try re-writing history but I will not let you get away with it.

“A LABOUR council, sending redundancy notices around its own employees by taxi, by taxi”!

http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

By Roche’s comment YOU are a RACIST. I mean, substitute Black or Asian for UKIP or Farage, there you go, YOU are RACIST.

Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

My condolences

sarah_13

Unfortunately Ed’s cynical appeal to the naive youth who think nationalising everything and capping rents and energy prices will magically make everything ok is gaining purchase. Cameron needs to get the Iraq inquiry reporting quick smart, before the general election, just to remind everyone what the last labour government, of which Ed was an integral part, got up to. People have very short memories as these useless 1970′s style policies show.

the viceroy’s gin

That won’t help. The Camerluvvies are neocon nutters, just like Lab were. In fact, the Millipedes could turn it around and say it’s the Camerloons who are lying their way into Libyan and Syrian wars, plus Ukraine now.

http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

Labour voters have managed to forget Iraq. The level of denial is staggering. You’re right about kids though – they’re not stupid, just ignorant and brainwashed, in the main, thanks to the BBC.