Topic: is it just a dog ? are people doing to much ?Posted By: bunzaveli
Subject: is it just a dog ? are people doing to much ?
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:36am

so ill try to make it real short, a black kid who currently was released from juvenille detention with a gps enabled ankle bracelet, breaks into a cops house with intent to steal, and shoots the cops dog. the police know its the boy because the ankle bracelet pretty much put him at the scene of the crime and pretty much said he was there. the dog had to be put down, and now the 16 year old is facing life in prison. only person at the home at the time was the dog.

here is a time line of all the articles they posted in my local paper, it pretty much says exactly how it all happened from the perspective of the public.

yesterday the boys mother tried to create one of those donation pages asking for help on legal fees for the boy, and the public went ape sh*t.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/16-year-old-accused-of-shooting-dog-during-burglar/nTGDQ/" rel="nofollow - Royal Palm Beach teen accused of shooting dog who later died had been wearing ankle monitor for less than a week

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/troopers-german-shepherd-defends-home-from-intrude/nTCmP/" rel="nofollow - German shepherd shot several times when intruders broke into state trooper’s home in critical but stable condition

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/Heroic-former-police-dog-could-not-be-saved/nTDRD/" rel="nofollow - Heroic former police dog could not be saved

palmbeachpost wrote:

Donation page for alleged dog killer taken down

The family of the teenage suspect in the shooting of a retired police dog tried to raise money for his bail on a website.

A day later, after a slew of outrage and abuse reports to the website, that attempt has been halted.

A
story about 16-year-old Ivins Rosier’s family seeking money for his
release went up Monday afternoon on PalmBeachPost.com. Within a few
hours, dozens of comments had been posted from readers expressing
outrage that the donation page even existed.

Many even wrote that
they had reported the webpage, hosted by the Chicago-based private
company GiveForward, as offensive. The page was taken down Tuesday
morning.

As of late Monday, Ivins’ family’s fundraising effort —
which seeks $100,000 — had yielded only a single contribution for $1 and
an angry comment, apparently from that donor.

“Killing a dog is
pretty low, yet alone breaking into houses,” said the contributor,
identified only as “Wow.” “Enjoy the dollar — hopefully your son stays
behind bars for awhile.”

Rosier has been held without bail since
his arrest Nov. 21 in the Nov. 18 armed burglary of a Florida Highway
Patrol trooper’s suburban West Palm Beach home. Drake, the German
shepherd and retired police dog who lives with Trooper Boby Boody, was
shot at least four times. He was put to sleep Nov. 23 as a result of his
injuries.

Rosier is facing charges of burglary of a dwelling with
a firearm, felony cruelty to animals with a firearm and shooting into a
building. He was denied bail Nov. 30. The two others allegedly involved
in the burglary and shooting have not been arrested.

The webpage said Rosier is one of six children whom their mother raised by herself after the kids’ father died 10 years ago.

“So
he really didn’t have a father figure to help accomplish his real
goals,” the author wrote about Rosier, a Royal Palm Beach High student.
“We all think that he just needs support.”

Replies: Posted By: bunzaveli
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:38am

picture of the kid

Posted By: Gkisses
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:42am

he already had an ankle bracelet on and he still robbing houses...If he had broke in my house and killed my dog Id want some jail time..He doesnt seem to care...and whos to say he wouldnt have killed a human if they were home... he brought a gun for a reason....He shouldn't get life but its obvious that dude needs some form of discipline. Do they ever send these teens to like military school or something.....What are his previous offenses?

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Posted By: FarraFace
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:42am

I thought this was about the cop in Chi that shot the dog.

ETA:

Is it just a dog? Yes

Is it just about the dog? No

Are people doing too much? Yes

Does he deserve the option of bail? Yes (said knowing full well his family broke)

im wondering why this kid is so hell bent on destroying his life and wonder who he's really trying to punish.

Posted By: Kiwistardust
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:45am

I thought people supported donations when the person was at least semi-innocent. More importantly, why was he not kept watch on when he is so freshly out?

I'm apathetic to the father-firgure bullsh!t for my own reasons.

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Posted By: PurrPoZe
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:45am

Doin way too much

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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:46am

*too

Posted By: Spokenword
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:47am

if a human was home, he would've done the same thing. he went to rob with a gun in hand. throw his ass in jail for a long time. i don't like to see a young person get life but he deserves some time.

his mother needs to re-evaluate her life.

Posted By: bunzaveli
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:47am

Gkisses wrote:

What are his previous offenses?

burglarizing another home

According to the affidavit, the teen suspect was on probation for a
previous crime. He was arrested for allegedly burglarizing a home on
Oct. 25. He was released from the Juvenile Assessment Center and fitted
with an electronic ankle monitor on Nov. 13.

Posted By: bunzaveli
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:47am

Alias_Avi wrote:

*too

why you tryin to hurt me ?

Posted By: Gkisses
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:49am

I wouldnt be donating any of my moneys.... His mom sounds like the type talk about how good of a kid her child was...when everybody on the block know that Deshawn aint did shh all day but sling dope, rob folk and sit on the hood of his non running car in front of the house blasting music all day. But once he gets got....mom is surprised.

Denial be's a bish

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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:50am

one offense and shooting a dog

now while i think these crackas be acting up....they would never express such outrage if he had killed a black kid

he needs to be rehabilitated

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Posted By: Miss SDY
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:51am

The dog is a retired police dog.. That's probably why they are seeking life behind bars.

Yes, I think he needs jail time for breaking into the officer's house with intent to steal and on top of it, shooting the dog for no reason at all.. He just got released from Juvie and still breaking into houses with a gps bracelet?? He must want to go back..

But life in prison? That's another issue..

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Posted By: Im_oh_so_hott
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:54am

He's a criminal, a repeat offender at that. He has no damn sense, and he needs something done for him, but i don't think any amount of prison time is going to help him, he is old enough to know right from wrong, but he is not old enough to truly understand what life in prison is, he hasn't lived any, so being locked away will be what he knows about life, it won't really be a "punishment", and considering he's 16 life will really mean 25 - 30 years MAYBE, he'll be in his forties, and will have learned how to commit a whole bunch of other crimes.

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Posted By: SimplyPut
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:54am

Kiwistardust wrote:

I thought people supported donations when the person was at least semi-innocent. More importantly, why was he not kept watch on when he is so freshly out?

I'm apathetic to the father-firgure bullsh!t for my own reasons.

Most forces don't have the resources for something like that, unless you are an extremely high risk offender. Here you have to pay for ankle monitoring yourself for it even to be considered an option for release. I do know that killing a K9 in the line of duty can be equal to killing a cop in the eyes of the law, but I don't know about veteran status. He should go to jail, and he should get real time because multiple felonies were committed in that one act, but I don't think the child should be in jail for the rest of his life.

Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:56am

He broke into a cop's house with the intent to rob it...and shot his dog...who was a former police dog...while black? And they expected anything other than life in prison?

Posted By: Harmonii
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:58am

Spokenword wrote:

if a human was home, he would've done the same thing. he went to rob with a gun in hand. throw his ass in jail for a long time. i don't like to see a young person get life but he deserves some time.

his mother needs to re-evaluate her life.

Posted By: SimplyPut
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:58am

Im_oh_so_hott wrote:

He's a criminal, a repeat offender at that. He has no damn sense, and he needs something done for him, but i don't think any amount of prison time is going to help him, he is old enough to know right from wrong, but he is not old enough to truly understand what life in prison is, he hasn't lived any, so being locked away will be what he knows about life, it won't really be a "punishment", and considering he's 16 life will really mean 25 - 30 years MAYBE, he'll be in his forties, and will have learned how to commit a whole bunch of other crimes.

Yea maybe depending on the laws in his state. If it were here life=natural life.

Posted By: Harmonii
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:00pm

Gkisses wrote:

I wouldnt be donating any of my moneys.... His mom sounds like the type talk about how good of a kid her child was...when everybody on the block know that Deshawn aint did shh all day but sling dope, rob folk and sit on the hood of his non running car in front of the house blasting music all day. But once he gets got....mom is surprised.

Denial be's a bish

Posted By: Chyna_Li
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:01pm

JasmineE02 wrote:

He broke into a cop's house with the intent to rob it...and shot his dog...who was a former police dog...while black? And they expected anything other than life in prison?

BINGOOOOO

idk about receiving life. however his punishment should be hella sternif he would shoot a dog down & break into A COP'S home then he wouldnt hesitate to kill humankindno thanks. get em off the streets for a long timeobviously he didnt learn during his previous stint(s) in jail.

Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:01pm

I doubt he'll get life. I need to see what statutory basis they have to justify going for life.

Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:06pm

Life in prison for a dog....

poor Trayvon

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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:08pm

Ok, I looked at it. He is facing 3 charges.

1) Burglary of a Dwelling with a Firearm

2) Felony Cruelty to Animals with a Firearm

3) Shooting into a Building

The burglary of a dwelling with a firearm charge alone is punishable by life. Wow. Florida doesn't play. Well, he may get life. Sorry.

Posted By: Jewelsnyc
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:17pm

bunzaveli wrote:

picture of the kid

Is he special? He looks special...if he is special, I'd say they need to do some evaluation before giving him life. Maybe treatment, meds, some more intervetion. But life?

I guess they're looking at his record and thus far he's not shaping up to be a benefit to society, so why not benefit the state...Fuccked up either way.

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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:19pm

Ok, so the breakdown is:

Armed burglary of a dwelling: Up to life imprisonment (First degree felony)

Cruelty to animals with a firearm: Up to 5 years (Third degree felony)

Shooting into a building: Up to 15 years (Second degree felony)

So technically, he wouldn't be getting life for shooting a dog. He'd get life for burglarizing a dwelling with a firearm.

Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:22pm

You gotta be retarded to burglarize a house with an ankle bracelet on.

Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:26pm

^^^^Basically. If his defense team doesn't get him an IQ test, then they are incompetent. Well, at least then the family can appeal on ineffective assistance of counsel. Why is the mom raising money for his defense anyway? He should have court appointed counsel. If they don't like who is appointed, they can fire the person, and get appointed a new attorney. Court appointed attorneys aren't that bad.

Posted By: Jewelsnyc
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:29pm

Sang Froid wrote:

You gotta be retarded to burglarize a house with an ankle bracelet on.

I didn't want to be so blunt...but yes.

-------------You gon get this work Nicca

Posted By: FarraFace
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:32pm

Diminished capacity all in his eyes.

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Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:51pm

he's an idiot.i save my capes for the deserving.

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Posted By: Faithfully2002
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 12:56pm

PurrPoZe wrote:

Doin way too much

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Posted By: solena
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 1:37pm

Not even a month after being released you're breaking into someone's house and carrying a gun...they are not doing too much.

Posted By: soarlikecruz
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 9:48pm

Life in prison for shooting a dog? Pedophiles get less time than that. Why?

Yes that's doing too much, send him to juvie/prison whatever for a couple of years and be done with it. that's doing waay too much

Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 9:50pm

soarlikecruz wrote:

Life in prison for shooting a dog? Pedophiles get less time than that. Why?

Yes that's doing too much, send him to juvie/prison whatever for a couple of years and be done with it. that's doing waay too much

The OP is misstated. He would not be getting life for shooting a dog.

Posted By: soarlikecruz
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 9:52pm

Oh ok. Neveryoumind

Posted By: Im_oh_so_hott
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 9:56pm

soarlikecruz wrote:

Oh ok. Neveryoumind

Why ? Even if it's not because of the dog, pedophiles still get less time.

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Posted By: Babydoll9163
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 10:31pm

JasmineE02 wrote:

He broke into a cop's house with the intent to rob it...and shot his dog...who was a former police dog...while black? And they expected anything other than life in prison?

I mean.... this. Does he deserve life? No. But homie needs to be smacked 3 good times just for breaking into a cop's house. A cop's house! And you wearing yo go go gadget bracelet? The fawk was he thinking? He should get a few extra months just for being dumb ass.

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Posted By: Im_oh_so_hott
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:42pm

I wonder if the dog tried to attack him.

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Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:46pm

hes stupid.

but life is a bit long over a dog...

i think its just because it was a cops dog.

Posted By: solena
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:50pm

It's not because of the dog. 10 20 life is the law in fla. everyone knows yet they're still dumb enough to commit crimes with a firearm. Juvie obviously didn't teach him anything bcs right after being released he broke into someone's house. Criminals like that become repeat offenders you keep putting them back on the street they end up on first 48. Anyone dumb enough to break into someone's house with a monitoring bracelet on cant be saved/rehabilitated.

Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:52pm

Im_oh_so_hott wrote:

soarlikecruz wrote:

Oh ok. Neveryoumind

Why? Even if it's not because of the dog, pedophiles still get less time.

You guys are really hung up on the dog. They will probably drop the cruelty to animals charge, unless the cop pushes for it, if that makes you guys feel any better. He'll still be facing life though.

I would never advocate for the extensive punishment of a child. He is a child. They shouldn't try him as an adult. He can still be rehabilitated, but....

I don't think the "pedophiles get less time" argument works here. He robbed someone's home, while armed, and discharged his firearm. If it was your home, would you say the same thing? I take more issue with them charging his as an adult than I do with the statutory maximum sentence. Most people don't get the statutory maximum, and I actually think the statutory maximum is appropriate for the state. He shouldn't get the maximum, but I don't think life for armed burglary of a dwelling is an absurd statutory maximum.

Posted By: Im_oh_so_hott
Date Posted: Dec 05 2012 at 11:58pm

Limalady wrote:

Im_oh_so_hott wrote:

soarlikecruz wrote:

Oh ok. Neveryoumind

Why? Even if it's not because of the dog, pedophiles still get less time.

You guys are really hung up on the dog.

I'm not hung up on the dog, i honestly don't care about the dog, i meant the burglary/weapon charges. Pedophiles don't get life in prison, but someone who broke into another persons home with gun can be sent to prison for life ?

ETA: And if it was my home, i would say the same thing, material things can be replaced.

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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 12:04am

Im_oh_so_hott wrote:

I'm not hung up on the dog, i honestly don't care about the dog, i meant the burglary/weapon charges. Pedophiles don't get life in prison, but someone who broke into another persons home with gun can be sent to prison for life ?

Most of them don't get life. It is the statutory maximum, meaning they can't get more than life and most people get less, but I think that is a fair maximum. Someone that breaks into someone else's home with a gun is a greater danger to society. But if you are advocating for harsher penalties for pedophiles, I agree with you.