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Most real lives are ... quite desperation without meaning. Some are nasty, brutish and short ... but enough about my ex ;-)

When the Black Plaque hit, the clergy said it was witches and demons and stuff, so killed off even more folk that way. Good job, religion. Turned out to be infected fleas on rats, via ships in ports. That's a big reason why they had to go down into Africa to get resources and labor to get the industrial rev going, too many people died off in Euro, livestock too. Euro doesnt have alot of natural resources either, not anywhere near Africa.

The only wage increase that Europeans got, prior to modernity (unions etc) was the Black Plague. Killed off so many people, the Malthusian oversupply couldn't hold down wages anymore. Of course back then, most people worked on the farm and didn't get any wages at all. So this mostly benefited townies.

The only wage increase that Europeans got, prior to modernity (unions etc) was the Black Plague. Killed off so many people, the Malthusian oversupply couldn't hold down wages anymore. Of course back then, most people worked on the farm and didn't get any wages at all. So this mostly benefited townies.

The Man has never enjoyed paying higher wages, hence, socialism was invented.

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The Man has never enjoyed paying higher wages, hence, socialism was invented.

We are supposed to supply free goods and services under feudalism, as part of our reciprocal obligation (protection racket). It takes cheek to demand payment. But one advantage .. in feudalism, warlords like Dick Cheney rule, not merchant princes like Trump. That came later, under the Medici. Capisci? Capitalism is based on Templar banking and guild oligopoly. Only we get less art patronage today ;-(

We are supposed to supply free goods and services under feudalism, as part of our reciprocal obligation (protection racket). It takes cheek to demand payment. But one advantage .. in feudalism, warlords like Dick Cheney rule, not merchant princes like Trump. That came later, under the Medici. Capisci? Capitalism is based on Templar banking and guild oligopoly. Only we get less art patronage today ;-(

Cheek and cops and troops and stuff. Templars, yep, they were "bad dudes", invented banking as we know/use it, thats why its all in SWITZERLAND, woohoo, home of the Nazis, woohoo! The Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria were Templar owned ships, if I recall. Freemasonry is basically a blueprint for corporate business hierarchy, as far as I can tell. It's the capitalist businessman's religion. I think they invented the suit and that leash they call a "neck-TIE".

Cheek and cops and troops and stuff. Templars, yep, they were "bad dudes", invented banking as we know/use it, thats why its all in SWITZERLAND, woohoo, home of the Nazis, woohoo! The Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria were Templar owned ships, if I recall. Freemasonry is basically a blueprint for corporate business hierarchy, as far as I can tell. It's the capitalist businessman's religion. I think they invented the suit and that leash they call a "neck-TIE".

I am very familiar, being the grandson of a Shriner ;-) Was a DeMolay (Templar leader) as a teen. Chevalier and Master Councilor in fact, at Lodge #1 in my state (the Lodge for the grownups ... I wasn't a leader of the grownups). Enjoy National Treasure (first movie)? The mythology of Freemasony is quite ... interesting.

It was the Hospitallers who were the bad dudes. Templars are given a bad rap because of association. The Templars created Gentile banking (in the Middle Ages, banking had existed in Rome prior to that). Jews have been in international banking (local banking not so much) because of obvious advantages for millennia.

It was king Louis XIV who invented the business suit (his version was court dress however) and the neck tie was invented by the Croatian men (cravat is corrupted pronunciation of Croat) about 200 years ago. It was the continental Illuminati/Freemasons who, unlike the Anglo-American version, were revolutionaries, who brought about the Gerondin portion of the French Revolution. Then things got out of hand. The Catholic Church considers them to be an existential threat, over 100 years before the Bolshevism. Well now America has its merchant prince. Let the original Enlightenment resume (in Italian Mafia terms).

I am very familiar, being the grandson of a Shriner ;-) Was a DeMolay (Templar leader) as a teen. Chevalier and Master Councilor in fact, at Lodge #1 in my state (the Lodge for the grownups ... I wasn't a leader of the grownups). Enjoy National Treasure (first movie)? The mythology of Freemasony is quite ... interesting.

It was the Hospitallers who were the bad dudes. Templars are given a bad rap because of association. The Templars created Gentile banking (in the Middle Ages, banking had existed in Rome prior to that). Jews have been in international banking (local banking not so much) because of obvious advantages for millennia.

It was king Louis XIV who invented the business suit (his version was court dress however) and the neck tie was invented by the Croatian men (cravat is corrupted pronunciation of Croat) about 200 years ago. It was the continental Illuminati/Freemasons who, unlike the Anglo-American version, were revolutionaries, who brought about the Gerondin portion of the French Revolution. Then things got out of hand. The Catholic Church considers them to be an existential threat, over 100 years before the Bolshevism. Well now America has its merchant prince. Let the original Enlightenment resume (in Italian Mafia terms).

Growing up, my dad was a Shriner and Elks Lodge and maybe a few other things. He never talked to me about it much, but we went to the Elks Lodge for dinner all the time. He eventually quit all that.

The Templar/Freemason thing is incredibly interesting, but at the same time, I dont want to get near it. The religion part is very strange. Alot of it is a scam--the "degrees"--for the main leaders to stay in power. They suck $ from the rank and file just like any religion. But they ARE organized as hell as have probably the most power in the world, gotta give them that.

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Freemasonry of course goes back the Mithraism ... it had (a fewer number) of ranks ... had elite contacts in the Roman army. That is where Anglo-American Freemasonry propagated originally ... in the British army. European Freemasonry was in the "salons".

No, as an esoteric group, we aren't allowed to talk about it. Freemasonry etc is a dying breed. But it was big in the 1950s when my grandfather got into it.

Freemasonry of course goes back the Mithraism ... it had (a fewer number) of ranks ... had elite contacts in the Roman army. That is where Anglo-American Freemasonry propagated originally ... in the British army. European Freemasonry was in the "salons".

No, as an esoteric group, we aren't allowed to talk about it. Freemasonry etc is a dying breed. But it was big in the 1950s when my grandfather got into it.

Well, in a tiny podunk town here in downstate NY they recently remodeled the small courthouse and in the "garden" area they installed right smack dab in the middle, for all to see, a brand new 10' obelisk, with "balls". Just decorative garden art, right? Most of the medium size towns around here to MA etc have active Masonic temples. So, somebody must be doing something.

London Olympics 2012 ceremonies were dripping with occult/masonic symbolism.

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Herodotus told lies ... like all the historians. That lie (and the others) did happen, as lies. What the lies referred to, didn't happen the way they describe it. Reality is too complex to be described in any narrative. Can you give me an accurate and complete description of events in the Trump WH since the inauguration? Don't even try.

Most people are taken up in fallacies, when they aren't taken up in delusions. You are not as different as you think. Even honest history is a confabulation of partial views and selective memory. It is a branch of literature, same as fairy tales, but often not as good.

Herodotus told lies ... like all the historians. That lie (and the others) did happen, as lies. What the lies referred to, didn't happen the way they describe it. Reality is too complex to be described in any narrative. Can you give me an accurate and complete description of events in the Trump WH since the inauguration? Don't even try.

Most people are taken up in fallacies, when they aren't taken up in delusions. You are not as different as you think. Even honest history is a confabulation of partial views and selective memory. It is a branch of literature, same as fairy tales, but often not as good.

Obviously all that ever happened cant be recorded, like how many birds in flight at any one time. Fortunately there are some decent historians that record some decent factual history, as best they can from what archives they can get, or if they were there, etc. Otherwise, we wouldnt be able to talk about anything.

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