Description: We've known that the upcoming Camaro ZL1 will have some serious power under the hood. But how much exactly? Word now is that the 2012 ZL1 will be drawing some close comparison to the Corvette ZR1...

Description: There are even rumors that the Camaro ZL1 will top the Shelby GT500 in horses, at least for the time being. The GT500 generates its power from a 5.4-liter aluminum engine and produces 550hp and 510 lb...

Caleb LochridgeJul 18, 2011I'm thinking the same thing Josh. If camero is gonna be this bad, surely the next gen corvette will be amazing

Anthony CordialeJul 18, 2011With all that power you need good tread or it's nothing

Anthony NoonJul 18, 2011I wonder if production cars will have 800-1000hp in another 15 years.

Anthony NoonJul 18, 2011Does anyone remember the 90's when LT1's were ruling the streets? It's strange to think that in less then 20 years we doubled normal cars hp. I remember 383's with 400 hp and I was like dam! Now the car comes with almost 600. It's amazing.

Zach PateJul 18, 2011I read this in a magazine in the airport, in excited

Josh SuttonJul 18, 2011I hope this means the next-gen Corvette will be that much better :D

Davey EdwardsJul 18, 2011I think the mustang is alot lighter than the maro. So they'll need more than 20 extra horses. But the stang has initial grip problems so chevy should work on the rear end

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011The ZR1 is still gonna be faster. It still has more hp and weighs a lot less. Can't wait for this thing to come out!

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011@ tony, yeah the whole purpose of the ZL1 is to compete with the GT500, but this article is suggesting that the ZR1 & ZL1 will compete.

Robby BradfordJul 18, 2011600 horses in a pony car is a whole hell of a lot... these things are gonna be sick

Edith WhartonJul 18, 2011Chevy has no reason to battle themselves so I cant see them making the camaro better than the vette. They purposely have the vette as the leader

Bruce-Almighty TumblinJul 18, 2011guys all that wont matter because you know the people at FORD will build another GT500 thats stronger then the ZL1 & vise versa (FORD & CHEVY been at it for a long time) its expected!

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011they took some technology out if the vette to the ZL1 like the launch control system, but the vette will still be quicker, why would Chevy compete with themselves.

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011Personally, I like the Maro's design ALOT more than the Vette's watered-down Ferrari look.
But that's just my 2 cents

Adam ZarytskyJul 18, 2011I think the vette will be fine... They are different enough

Anthony Villa-GarciaJul 19, 2011ZR1 price equals supersnake price, 1100HP!!! Just saying, and i think the GTR beats the Z06 in the track because it has proper downforce. I think the Z06 doesnt have a wing because chevy wants to keep its straight line speed higher.

Patrick SchalkJul 19, 2011Hahaha those over a ZR1? You people are straight up crazy.

Vincent ButlerJul 19, 2011for the amount of money you will be spending for zr1. If I had the choice/money I honestly would buy back my old rx7 or 93-98supra or even NSX.

Michael BichayJul 19, 2011And if you wanna keep talking letme see some sources

Michael BichayJul 19, 2011You can't even bother going on the R35, when it has less HP and more weight than the zr1, and can still keep up, even better

Michael BichayJul 19, 2011@Ken if your referring to the one where the GTR got 7:24 IN semi-wet conditions while your vette got 7:26, then YOU my friend have your facts twisted.

Greg LewisJul 19, 2011To the SRT8 buyers, hit eBay, they have a ton for sale, less 5.7's and hardly any 6's. Right now the 6's are popular cause gas prices. Also camaro needs less models, too many versions! Go back to 6, RS and Z28 with a couple engine options.

Ken MadisonJul 19, 2011So my C6 will plow a GTR in the bung if Jim Mero is driving it....

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011That's what you said. And I didn't look. Good call on my part.

Michael BichayJul 18, 2011@Patrick now youre not making any sense..
And it's clearly stated under "My Cars" wtf lol

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011Haha is it? Cause I'm pretty sure you said the Japanese know how to do it better. And I was just joking about the Civic. I didn't think you actually had one. Makes it even better

Michael BichayJul 18, 2011@Patrick uh wtf first off I'm not your riceboy that tunes them up, its used for daily commuting like they should. Second civics don't compete with c6s wtf so get your facts straight

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011Hahaha Michael is your fart box Civic fast than a C6? Or even C5 for that matter? OR even C4?

Phillip GreeneJul 18, 2011bull shit name one tuner that can take a vet any one sep the base that one hardly counts any way and i swear if u even think gtr ur moron, and it plastic because it has a space frame it doesnt need a steel body

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011Well when I compare cars, I compare them by price. Comparing those two when the ZR1 costs half as much is crazy to me'. I'll admit I'm a Vette fanboy but regardless there are only a few people on this app that give credit where it's due when it comes

Caleb LochridgeJul 18, 2011A GT2 RS's 0-60 time is 3.4. That is from the Porsche website. If you know a GT2 to run 2.9 and be faster than a ZR1, then it's not stock. So ya, buy a $245k car (GT2 RS) and mod it, then brag about beating a stock ZR1 ($110k car)

Keenan CasteelJul 18, 2011@Patrick I don't really care if the ZR1 is faster than the 911. I know the GT2 has clocked a 0-60 of 2.9 which is faster than a ZR1's. Cheers from a fellow Oklahoman even though we disagree.

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011Shoot yeah. There's tons of good deals here in the Midwest. Lots of muscle cars. I want a Chally so bad. I'd also like to buy a Prowler and put a 6 speed Hemi in it. Mike buy a Chally

Josh SuttonJul 18, 2011People in the Midwest must be crazy- there are loads of SRT-8's for sale.

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011I found a Hemi Orange SRT8 Chally in Valencia, CA. Look on Autotrader. Sorry to everyone for getting off track. Carbuzz should make a small forum for different discussions.

Dale FredriksJul 18, 2011I'm gonna end this. If you have the ZR1, if you get asked what you drive, you say,"I have 638 horsepower." that's the end.

Phillip GreeneJul 18, 2011yea the challenger is sweet lookin and it sounds nice but at almost 6000lb its goin nowhere fast might as well be a two door charger, moded out it cud be fast iv seen some but stock its just a eye candy nothin els to it

Caleb LochridgeJul 18, 2011@Keenan, I see your point but I'd rather say "I have a ZR1" and leave it at that.

Caleb LochridgeJul 18, 2011@Matt, where r u getting your numbers? They were talking about the 911 Turbo which 0-60 time is 3.5
Now the 911 Turbo S is faster than the ZR1 at 3.1 (these numbers are from Porsche's website)

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011Dammit, Patrick, I'm trying to talk Maro, and you pull me to the left with my Chally banter.
Bet your ass I much prefer the Mopar overall.

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011Honestly, I can't find anyone selling a used SRT8 Chally within my Tri-State vicinity. Check out Edmunds yourself.
Nobody in CA, NV, or AZ is crazy enough to get rid of a sweet ass ride like that.

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011You can definitely get a used one for that much. I've seen them around. It'd be worth it if you ask me.

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011If I can get an SRT8 Chally for $35k,, Patrick, then I'm B-lining to the dodge dealership right now. Not the case here in soCal.
This ZL1 is estimated MSRP of over $50k. (Z06 price territory)

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011I'll keep my f body as well and if I get around to shelling out around 35k for a new muscle car I'm getting an SRT8 Chally. I'll have too many projects though with my Jeep and C5 Z06 though

Anthony NoonJul 18, 2011To tell you the truth I love my fbody and I would love another camaro but last time a drove one those blind spots were terrible. It had the visibility of a corn maze. Once they fix that and looks good, I'm buying.

Greg LewisJul 18, 2011At some point hp is just stupid much, I personally couldn't afford that as a daily driver, let alone as a brand new toy for the garage... Big question is, did chevy fix the blind spots that the pillar creates? That was the complaint, not lack of hp.

Bruce-Almighty TumblinJul 18, 2011with a 100 grand ill take a ZR1 over a Porsche thats the same price all day (you get the most for your money with the ZR1)

Patrick SchalkJul 18, 2011Shane are you kidding? This looks WAY different than a base model. Come on meow.

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011yeah I actually think the Porsche is a lot nicer but the most Porches cost way more and are slower.

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011Keenan's got the right idea. But I have several other reasons (resale value being on the top 10 list)

Robby BradfordJul 18, 2011I love the headlights on camaros... They do a real good job of them

Keenan CasteelJul 18, 2011I agree with Mike. You can say "I have a Corvette." Or you could say "I have a Porsche 911 Turbo." Porsche=European=Better than the stupid Corvette.

Bruce-Almighty TumblinJul 18, 2011Mike are you serious? (unless you were talking about a 911 turbo) wich cost more then the ZR1

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011yeah the GT2 RS Porsche has the same 0-60 and costs over twice as much and has less power, I'm sticking with the ZR1

Greg LewisJul 19, 2011something about it doesn't seem finished, like it's missing something. And the rear end is just too plain. Loved my 92, but when I traded it in a few months ago (valued for 700 lol) I got the challenger.

Jared RamosJul 19, 2011FYI, to anyone out there who thinks military=Army needs to know there are 4 main branches of the military. I know illegal immigrants back stateside that know this!

Jared RamosJul 19, 2011Wow Phillip... Nowhere did I bash any car. I'm a fan of anything with an engine. Aesthetics are subjective. Matt said it "looks exactly the same", not "it is..." At least you can spell BMW

Ken MadisonJul 19, 2011Phillip, it is a big deal that someone is in the US military. I was in the navy for 20 years.
I'd like to see you say "big f****ng deal" to any Enlisted member of the US military.
You'd be on your ass faster than you could yell 'sorry'.

Jared RamosJul 18, 2011Being part of the US military, we make fun of everyone! I'm just saying, if you make fun of someone based on their intelligence, make sure you're smarter.

Jared RamosJul 18, 2011I don't know why someone would discredit someone else's intellect when they use antonyms out of context, i.e. "thoughs"(not even a word), vs. "those", and abbreviate 4 letter words like "your" to "ur". This is why Europeans make fun of Anericans!

Michael WilsonJul 18, 2011there all the same base car. they all look the same. no matter what. unless you put a wider body kit and changes the lines it will still look like an ugly.camaro

Phillip GreeneJul 18, 2011wow mat ur not to bright, u prabably herd that argument from some dude with a mustang and never bothered to think about it before useing it ur self, look at a v6 then look at an rs then ss... now tell me any of thoughs look like this... or each other for that matter

Matt MoellerJul 18, 2011Looks exactly the same as an ss or the RS for that matter.

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011the exhaust is similar to the Maserati Quattroporte GTS, quiet in touring mode, then when u put it in Sport+ it roars!

Kenneth WilliamsJul 20, 2011@ Brian. I was talkin about the blind spot in the challenger not the car itself. I like the challenger. Just not the way it drives.

Patrick SchalkJul 20, 2011That'd be so awesome if they made the SRT10 Chally. That thing is such a beast

Greg LewisJul 19, 2011The challengers interior is by far the most comfy, I test drove all 3 before buying the dodge. And I drive more than I race, so I really don't need to be the ling of the road, but I always need comfort. And you will get more ladies in a dodge! :)

Conor KavanaghJul 19, 2011 Challenger is known to be the heaviest between the camaro and mustang. Which slows it down considerably. Don't take that 2 ton beast to the track cuz the mustang will tear it to shreds. The 'stang comes out on top every time. Known fact

Keenan CasteelJul 18, 2011@AJ You're probably right. Chevy usually rewards the buyers of their top models with a nicer interior. I just cannot stand chevy anymore. And I wasn't comparing the Merc and the Camaro, I was simply saying that this probably won't be faster.

Kenneth WilliamsJul 18, 2011Still hate the cockpit. Blindspots out of this world and the rear view mirror is right in my eyeline while driving. Not worse than the challenger though.

Aj TheDark ArtistJul 18, 2011Now all the camaro needs is a touchscreen navi option and it'll b damn near perfect.

Aj TheDark ArtistJul 18, 2011@Keenan- Idk where u c cheap cuz this is a vast improvement over the 2010. There's alcantara and suede everywhere and the bland blank plastic passenger side view has some breakup now. New wheel, new shifter, it's gorgeous.

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011Ultimately, the TGUK:SS/AMG comparo was to show that which ever car you buy, you get your money's worth. Neither one is overpriced nor underpriced for that matter.
That was really all there was to it...

Greg LewisJul 18, 2011Same parts used from other interiors help keep costs down, yeah my dodge shares alot with the rest of their line, but I could afford it. If they made a unique interior, price goes up and I just like it instead of drive it.

Josh SuttonJul 18, 2011That entire test made no sense. Te results, I think, boiled down to "If you spend double the money on a car, you can purchase a better car."

Michael PalazzoJul 18, 2011it was an E63 AMG BTW, and of corse a German handbuild car would beat the mass produced Camaro, they shouldve tested Camaro with Mustang

Mike HawkJul 18, 2011But in retrospect, Hammond still preferred the Maro. I hope he takes the ZL1 for a "reload" comparo.

Keenan CasteelJul 18, 2011Normal cheap looking American interior. I bet the Merc C63 AMG that Hammond tested against the Camaro in season 15 is still better than this. That was an unfair test, by the way.