Drummond, Davis and Lillard. Great players as well but when are they going to make the playoffs?

This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Do you honestly think that Harrison Barnes had little if any impact on the Warriors playoff run? it was Steph curry, Lee, Thompson, Bogut and Jack. Barnes had very little impact to get them into the playoffs, but he has contributed significantly during them. Barnes looks like a solid role player to me, like Luol Deng

This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Do you honestly think that Harrison Barnes had little if any impact on the Warriors playoff run? it was Steph curry, Lee, Thompson, Bogut and Jack. Barnes had very little impact to get them into the playoffs, but he has contributed significantly during them. Barnes looks like a solid role player to me, like Luol Deng

Lol Barnes started 81 games this season while playing 25 minutes a game. Bogut played in 32 games, while playing 25 minutes a game.

How can you say that Bogut is more responsible for leading this team into the playoffs than Barnes?
Harrison has been CRUCIAL to them all season.

"That was Nasty right? Cocked that Joint back and banged on 'em." -James Johnson

This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Do you honestly think that Harrison Barnes had little if any impact on the Warriors playoff run? it was Steph curry, Lee, Thompson, Bogut and Jack. Barnes had very little impact to get them into the playoffs, but he has contributed significantly during them. Barnes looks like a solid role player to me, like Luol Deng

Comments like this it's pretty obvious that you don't follow the Warriors.

Anyway, if Barnes is nothing more than a solid role player, then what is DeRozan and Gay? scrubs?

Because, Barnes is a much better shooter than both. He's already a better low post player than DD. He can create his own shots. He's a better defender than both DD and Gay. Barnes usually guards opposing team's top SG/SF. And the thing that i like about him the most? he's CLUTCH. He's not afraid to take the big shots. He's always been like that since he was in UNC. And oh btw, Barnes is only 20 years old.

Comments like this it's pretty obvious that you don't follow the Warriors.

Anyway, if Barnes is nothing more than a solid role player, then what is DeRozan and Gay? scrubs?

Because, Barnes is a much better shooter than both. He's already a better low post player than DD. He can create his own shots. He's a better defender than both DD and Gay. Barnes usually guards opposing team's top SG/SF. And the thing that i like about him the most? he's CLUTCH. He's not afraid to take the big shots. He's always been like that since he was in UNC. And oh btw, Barnes is only 20 years old.

Comments like this it's pretty obvious that you don't follow the Warriors.

Anyway, if Barnes is nothing more than a solid role player, then what is DeRozan and Gay? scrubs?

Because, Barnes is a much better shooter than both. He's already a better low post player than DD. He can create his own shots. He's a better defender than both DD and Gay. Barnes usually guards opposing team's top SG/SF. And the thing that i like about him the most? he's CLUTCH. He's not afraid to take the big shots. He's always been like that since he was in UNC. And oh btw, Barnes is only 20 years old.

He's right though. Your argument was stupid. Originally, the statement was that it was premature to say that he will be THE BEST player in the draft (Best = better than anyone else in the draft). You replied saying "Drummond, Davis and Lillard. Great players as well but when are they going to make the playoffs?" You're basically saying that Drummond, Davis and Lillard are below Barnes JUST BECAUSE THE WARRIORS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS. That's just a really stupid supporting argument because being on a playoff team doesn't automatically mean that he is the best player in the draft. It's like saying that Norris Cole is the best player in the 2011 NBA Draft because he won a championship with the Heat. It's obviously not true. Barnes is a solid starting role player. He's not the MAJOR part of the offense. He complimented the offense (which is what role players do) but we all know that Curry, Thompson and Lee are the major part of the offense. He is only a major part of the offense ATM because Lee is injured. He will be a bigger part of the offense in the future but as of the majority of this season, he has been nothing but a role player. NoPropsneeded is right. He didn't significantly help them get into the playoffs as he was extremely inconsistent. Curry significantly helped them get into the playoffs. And NoPropsneeded is also right when he said he has contributed significantly during the playoffs since he has stepped up his game. As for your counterargument, it's not fair to compare Barnes to DeRozan and Gay as they are on different teams. You're making an argument for the sake of trying to win the argument. TO THE WARRIORS, he's a role player (On a scrubbier team, he could be considered a "star" player). TO THE RAPTORS, DeRozan and Gay are our "star" players as they are the major part of our offense. BTW, I'm using the term "star player" as I don't really have a better term to describe a player that is more than a role player but not quite an All-Star in the NBA. Different players will be considered different roles on different teams unless you're an absolute superstar like CP3, LBJ and Kobe. Me and NoPropsneeded ARE NOT SAYING THAT HE IS OR WILL BE A BAD PLAYER IN THE NBA. We're saying that he's not the go-to guy for the Warriors that you make him out to be.

Harrison Barnes is going to end up as the BEST player in the 2012 draft. This guy is amazing.

Pretty reckless post. I bet you just watched last two quarters of the game or seen just the recap. Check the stat line, most of players would score those points with:
9-26 FGM-A, 7-7 FT and 51:21 minutes (most on the team).

Lol Barnes started 81 games this season while playing 25 minutes a game. Bogut played in 32 games, while playing 25 minutes a game.

How can you say that Bogut is more responsible for leading this team into the playoffs than Barnes?
Harrison has been CRUCIAL to them all season.

He started because they had no one else. Richard Jefferson is declining so they only choice they had was to start barnes. Even though he started he didn't contribute as much compared to rookies like Lillard and Davis (averaged only 9ppg and 4 boards), while only shooting 44% from the field. But he was a pretty good spot up shooter for them (36% from 3 if i'm not mistaken). My point is that even if they didn't have barnes, their record would have still been the same, maybe 1 or 2 wins here or there but thats it. You can't say he's the best player in the draft simply because his team made the playoffs. He averaged only 9 points in 25 mins while Ross averaged 7 OFF THE BENCH in only 17 mins.

Comments like this it's pretty obvious that you don't follow the Warriors.

Anyway, if Barnes is nothing more than a solid role player, then what is DeRozan and Gay? scrubs?

Because, Barnes is a much better shooter than both. He's already a better low post player than DD. He can create his own shots. He's a better defender than both DD and Gay. Barnes usually guards opposing team's top SG/SF. And the thing that i like about him the most? he's CLUTCH. He's not afraid to take the big shots. He's always been like that since he was in UNC. And oh btw, Barnes is only 20 years old.

So all of a sudden he's better than DeRozan and Gay? don't make me laugh. He shot the same percentage as DeMar from the field, and Rudy had a down year till he got traded (46% FG for his career)

He started because they had no one else. Richard Jefferson is declining so they only choice they had was to start barnes. Even though he started he didn't contribute as much compared to rookies like Lillard and Davis (averaged only 9ppg and 4 boards), while only shooting 44% from the field. But he was a pretty good spot up shooter for them (36% from 3 if i'm not mistaken). My point is that even if they didn't have barnes, their record would have still been the same, maybe 1 or 2 wins here or there but thats it. You can't say he's the best player in the draft simply because his team made the playoffs. He averaged only averaged 9 points in 25 mins while Ross averaged 7 OFF THE BENCH in only 17 mins.

Oh I never agreed with the principle that Barnes would be the best just because his team is the best. Far from it.
Just found it interesting that you give Bogut credit, but Barnes none.

However, I do remember a few years ago when it was down to Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and Tyreke Evans for ROY.
Jennings made the argument that he should get ROY because he led his team to the playoffs, while Evans' Kings were one of the worst teams in the league once again. Obviously the voting panel disagreed with Jennings notion, and felt Rekes great numbers more than made up for the teams brutal Record. Fast forward to this year, I'm pretty sure Tyreke would rank 3rd out of 3 on EVERYONEs list.

"That was Nasty right? Cocked that Joint back and banged on 'em." -James Johnson

Oh I never agreed with the principle that Barnes would be the best just because his team is the best. Far from it.
Just found it interesting that you give Bogut credit, but Barnes none.

However, I do remember a few years ago when it was down to Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and Tyreke Evans for ROY.
Jennings made the argument that he should get ROY because he led his team to the playoffs, while Evans' Kings were one of the worst teams in the league once again. Obviously the voting panel disagreed with Jennings notion, and felt Rekes great numbers more than made up for the teams brutal Record. Fast forward to this year, I'm pretty sure Tyreke would rank 3rd out of 3 on EVERYONEs list.

Bogut did play less due to injury. But his impact on the team is definitely more valuable than Barnes as we saw, in game 6 i believe, vs the Spurs where he dropped 14 and 21. If bogut played the same amount of games with the same amount of minutes then there would be no question on who contributed more to the team success. Barnes is solid, but he's still only a rookie.

Comments like this it's pretty obvious that you don't follow the Warriors.

Anyway, if Barnes is nothing more than a solid role player, then what is DeRozan and Gay? scrubs?

Because, Barnes is a much better shooter than both. He's already a better low post player than DD. He can create his own shots. He's a better defender than both DD and Gay. Barnes usually guards opposing team's top SG/SF. And the thing that i like about him the most? he's CLUTCH. He's not afraid to take the big shots. He's always been like that since he was in UNC. And oh btw, Barnes is only 20 years old.

Rudy is better in both categories hands down, eyes closed. Barnes is not a good shot creator lol, Rudy gay is one of the best shot creators in the NBA. Rudy's defense is also very good, but his back spasms slowed him down during the coarse of the season. There is no comparison between those three seeing as DeRozan and Gay, especially Gay, are light years ahead in almost every facet of their games. Rudy dropped 20+ in both games vs the warriors, and i'm pretty sure Barnes was guarding him.