No not the same. There is a little difference in shape there where the spokes are changing from round to bladed Thread is rolled on both Sapim CX-Ray and DT Aerolite weight is almost same. But the steel Sapim uses is 1800nm and DT uses a strength of 1200nm.

DT Aerolite is a very good spoke (since they solved the problem with their widened elbow) .... But Sapim CX-Ray is just better because of the tougher steel.

For heavier riders, sprinters and crit racers I would recommend the Sapim CX-Ray .... But as I wrote already there is nothing wrong with the DT Aerolite. DT is a good spoke also. Only Sapim is stronger.

I like the price (at 1800 Euro it's better than Zipp and Campagnolo, and as a bonus you get ceramic bearings!)

It's cool that they have DT190 hubs but actually for that price (1800euro) Id go for the Bora.

As once Adrien said, most of hubs nowdays are good enough as quality so I wouldn't pay more than 1000euro for a wheelset using gigantex rims (nothing against them just thinking it would be overpriced).

Micky, I have e-mailed FFWD and they told me that none of the FFWD rims were (ever) made by Gigantex.
Actually, I compare these F2R's with Hyperon, not with Bora.
The F5R would compare with Bora, and starts at 998 Euro.
But I'm looking for a lightweight wheelset now.

I once received a catalogue for a complete bike, which includes FFWD wheels. Beside each bike component, they would list the maker. Such as for the front deraileur FD-7800 -- shimano. For the FFWD wheels, they listed -- step.

Well well my e-mail and fax to FFWD in which I ask who made these rims is not answered...

So I called them but they are closed. I try in the new year Curious as I am about who's the manufacturer of the rims.....

For now I believe they are Gigantex rims…… and overpriced….

To Bontempi:I never intended to write that DT Aerolite was a bad choice for the spokes.
I just wanted to point out that IMHO it is second best and I would build them with Sapim CX-Ray for the reason I mentioned earlier in this thread.

Furthermore: Trust me a lot of heavy riders buy light climbing wheels (like myself) You must know that for a lot of riders it is more easy to loose weight on their bikes then it is to loose weight on their body.

_________________My bike is Italian so it is Nervosa and of course has Anorexia I like them thin!

maarten nijland is sponsored by ffwd and lives cloth to them, so i suppose he got some different prototypes for testing, as well as different wave styles. he has wheels with 38 mm and 50 mm rims as well as dt hubs and their own hubs(probably by novatec?).

FFWD contacted me per e-mail and promised some answers.Something went wrong in earlier communication I believe.

So I think that in short time we will know more!

I keep you posted!

IMHO it is a good sign that FFWD reacts to what is said on this forum.Seems to be a serious wheel assembler, that really makes an effort to inform us about his product.

Hopefully you will receive an answer soon. I'm very interested which rims they use.
For me, the FFWD F4C seem to be the wheelset I'm searching for cyclocross (DT-Swiss hubs, external brass nipples, 24/28 spokes...). But I've made some bad experience with Corima rims in cyclocross and so I hope that FFWD don't use them for their wheels...

they are for sure no corima rims.
i'm having the same idea for the next few cross wheels. external nipples, high rim for a good price at mavic reflex weight, holds up well as far as i know from heule and nijland, 24/28 hole available(20 is simply not enough for a cross front wheel).

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