If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

Tesla as a company is utter dogshit. Tesla cars as products are nothing unusual for American manufacturers in terms of quality. But that doesn't surprise me given that the NUMMI plant wasn't turning out very many decent vehicles prior to (old) GM's collapse.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

Costa Fierro wrote:Tesla as a company is utter dogshit. Tesla cars as products are nothing unusual for American manufacturers in terms of quality. But that doesn't surprise me given that the NUMMI plant wasn't turning out very many decent vehicles prior to (old) GM's collapse.

Costa Fierro wrote:Tesla as a company is utter dogshit. Tesla cars as products are nothing unusual for American manufacturers in terms of quality. But that doesn't surprise me given that the NUMMI plant wasn't turning out very many decent vehicles prior to (old) GM's collapse.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

Costa Fierro wrote:Tesla as a company is utter dogshit. Tesla cars as products are nothing unusual for American manufacturers in terms of quality. But that doesn't surprise me given that the NUMMI plant wasn't turning out very many decent vehicles prior to (old) GM's collapse.

Yeah, shitty cars like the Toyota Corolla or Hilux.

The Corolla was a Toyota product and the Hilux was only produced there for four years, being succeeded by the Tacoma in the mid-size pickup line.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

Costa Fierro wrote:Tesla as a company is utter dogshit. Tesla cars as products are nothing unusual for American manufacturers in terms of quality. But that doesn't surprise me given that the NUMMI plant wasn't turning out very many decent vehicles prior to (old) GM's collapse.

Yeah, shitty cars like the Toyota Corolla or Hilux.

I'm sorry but when I hear someone call the Hilux shit, I must mention that the Hilux is almost indestructible and incredibly reliant as a truck. And we've seen it take such abuse and still have it's engine run. (Top Gear anyone?)

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Petrolheadia wrote:Yeah, shitty cars like the Toyota Corolla or Hilux.

I'm sorry but when I hear someone call the Hilux shit, I must mention that the Hilux is almost indestructible and incredibly reliant as a truck. And we've seen it take such abuse and still have it's engine run. (Top Gear anyone?)

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

The 500 was not a replacement for the Crown Vic. It was specifically a replacement for the Taurus which was discontinued in 2006 for consumers, and 2007 for fleet buyers. Didn't stop em from bringing the name plate back almost immediately after refreshing the 500. I'm still a bit amazed that Ford managed to turn the slow and droll 500 into something that actually looks passable as a car. And then turned it into something like the Chrysler 300, but without the prestige/presence. (tbh both cars need a fresh design)

Remember the Crown Vic was kept around for more than a few years after the Taurus was killed, and then brought back again.

For that matter the Fusion stepped in to fill the new mid-size void left by the Taurus moving up. If Ford was indeed planning to replace the CV with the 500... I question their sanity with that move.

Fusion replaced the old Taurus, and the Volvo S80 derived Five Hundred/Taurus replaced the Crown Victoria, in 2007 Ford discontinued the Crown Victoria in retail markets, but kept making for fleet sales, especially police interceptors, so Ford intended the new Taurus/Five Hundred to fulfill the entry level full size sedan segment. The Town Car did well for limousine fleet sales. The Mercury Grand Marquis was the best selling car for Mercury, the Milan was popular too, but was the new sable. In fact, in Canada, they stopped selling all Mercury cars except the Grand Marquis. I wish for a new panther body that isn't FWD, but Ford would just say a buy a mustang, and try to use that as an all purpose enthusiast car.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

If you can't get a convertible, run really fast down a highway with wind in your hair and people shouting "You're crazy!". - Kenny Loggins,If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

Between crap build quality and questionable value for money, I find a lot of the design choices of the Model 3 to be extremely questionable. Their pursuit of simplicity has made the car more difficult and more dangerous to operate.

Personally, I'd rather have a Nissan Leaf or wait for BMW and VW to drop their new electrics. Worst comes to worst, I'll be waiting a couple of years regardless of what I do.

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