caronte wrote:Lennye please study some history instead eating pop corn, the US bombed Viet Nam for many years,burning forests with napalm,butching children and raping women. And now your president, ex alcoholist and christian fondamentalist,wants to export democracy....

Lennye I believe that my last message, at the opposite, is closely involved to this topic, particularly when you affirme that vietnameses should blame their goverments of having devastate their country.
Take in mind,please,that, before US,France had generously accomplied this task.
Anyway I think americans can't give life lessons,as they believe. We saw the last half century as US had political and economical supremacy and consequentely the distasters occurred.
You talk,then,about welfare,but wich welfare? yours?
A nation very rich with 40 millions of poors,without basic healthcare.The answer is,in my opinion,that america monetizes all,even sentiments.But values like dignity,solidarity,real friendship are economical worthless and no money can buy them, is for this that almost all countries in the world don't respect America.
Morevore you are satisfied to have a mediocre president exporting democracy.....George can't forget
what he has never known.
God bless america
Caronte

caronte wrote:Lennye I believe that my last message, at the opposite, is closely involved to this topic, particularly when you affirme that vietnameses should blame their goverments of having devastate their country.Take in mind,please,that, before US,France had generously accomplied this task.

Before the U.S we WERE COLONIZED by French. There was no South or North Vietnamese governments. We were just a part of Indo-China or whatever the name the French called us. This is why my grandpa joined the Viet Minh to fight with the French, but not the Viet Cong. How could you compare apples and oranges?

caronte wrote:Anyway I think americans can't give life lessons,as they believe. We saw the last half century as US had political and economical supremacy and consequentely the distasters occurred.

And? Does it mean Vietnamese can blame them for their poverty? The guy in this original poster's topic is a jerk due to his stereotype. Trust me, this kinda people is everywhere in EVERY culture. I dare to use the absolute word here. The bottom line is, why do people have stereotypes? Stereotypes happen because there's a small percentage of people of certain groups do certain things, which give people a sense of how the whole culture is.

I am a Vietnamese girl; I would be offended if someone comes to my face and tells me I'm a gold digger, because there are some Vietnamese girls who are like that. However, I'm not gonna be irritated by that person ONLY. I will take a look why that person said it. Racism, stereotype, prejudice, or we do indeed have our own problems? You can't just hate someone for saying something without taking a look why.

caronte wrote:You talk,then,about welfare,but wich welfare? yours?A nation very rich with 40 millions of poors,without basic healthcare.The answer is,in my opinion,that america monetizes all,even sentiments.But values like dignity,solidarity,real friendship are economical worthless and no money can buy them, is for this that almost all countries in the world don't respect America.

Let me just tell one one thing and you google it on the net to check, okay. Poor Americans are nowhere near poor Vietnamese. No one really understands what poverty means if they haven't lived in a Third World country. I'm sure you don't know how poor could a poor person be in a Third World country.

caronte wrote: Morevore you are satisfied to have a mediocre president exporting democracy.....George can't forgetwhat he has never known.God bless americaCaronte

I don't know where the heck you've got this from my posts, but I don't have time to care.

To Lenny Tran
I think you are unjustice.You don't live in Vietnam so you can know how has we tried to improve citizen's lives, to improve our policy ... Ưe all know everything you said but it's not all about Viet Nam .Somebody is poor because of much reason.It's so hard for us to find out the main problem.So why don't you help them without complaining.

Well Lennye, Now when I know it would offense you. It would be logical, that I would like to tell you that u are a gold digger, but somehow I don't.. Maybe it's because I know, that actually u dig Caucasian men there not gold.. So I better tell you, that you are a Caucasian men digger... and when I looking all these silver rings and stuff u wear, then I'm sure u dig also silver beside of Caucasian men.. Maybe u even own a silver mine there? I only hope u don't dig in graveyard

linhto wrote:To Lenny TranI think you are unjustice.You don't live in Vietnam so you can know how has we tried to improve citizen's lives, to improve our policy ... Ưe all know everything you said but it's not all about Viet Nam .Somebody is poor because of much reason.It's so hard for us to find out the main problem.So why don't you help them without complaining.

Then why don't you try to sit down and dissect the problems? How could you find out something if you don't bother to analyze why things happened? You think the "yeah, man, we have a problem!" is enough? And since you're not complaining, you must be doing something to help. Tell me, what have you done so far for Vietnam?

Hardi wrote:Well Lennye, Now when I know it would offense you. It would be logical, that I would like to tell you that u are a gold digger, but somehow I don't.. Maybe it's because I know, that actually u dig Caucasian men there not gold.. So I better tell you, that you are a Caucasian men digger... and when I looking all these silver rings and stuff u wear, then I'm sure u dig also silver beside of Caucasian men.. Maybe u even own a silver mine there? I only hope u don't dig in graveyard

I do love other men beside Caucasian. Did you see the Asian guy I have a crush on? Well, I guess you haven't then. He's a yummy pie to me. And silver rings digger?

No I haven't seen that guy, but that's not because I haven't had spectacles. It's because I just haven't seen him.. though he's surely a shorty one.. and then I really would need spectacles to see him.. but what I was actually want to say you, is that he need to visit the doctor to check his eyes.. to be saved.

I believe to have been misunderstood , maybe depends on my poor english.Anyway if I offended someone I beg sincerely your pardon.But issues remain unsolved.
In my opinion is too easy generalise problems on focusing about relationships between single persons.
History is generated by history and we have the deep moral obligation in looking for true.
The actual vietnamese situation is the outcome of several factors,some of them are old,other are more recently, as we said in other messages,and regarding frenc and american wars. But let me point out two topics:
- first, the vietnamese goverment did a lot of mystakes but no one moved a finger to help it,on the contrary;
-second,this country in past years developed in a impressive manner,for example,the best stock exchange in the world (in terms of performance)was the vietnamese one in 2006.
These are not stereotypes but facts.But we,westerns,we have too much arrogance for admitting that, and too linked in an historical wiew based only on economic successful. I work into financial markets and I learned there the depth meaningful of being pitiless.
Anyway,even not requested,I confirm my modest evaluation on George W. Bush: he's unfit to lead US and, friendly speaking,is a little bit stupid too.
Finally, the answer about welfare confirms my opinion: it is incredible that the richest world's country could have 40 millions of poors at a lot of problems with basic healtcare,my God we are in America, not in dustbin country like Viet Nam.
God bless you
caronte

Hardi wrote:No I haven't seen that guy, but that's not because I haven't had spectacles. It's because I just haven't seen him.. though he's surely a shorty one.. and then I really would need spectacles to see him.. but what I was actually want to say you, is that he need to visit the doctor to check his eyes.. to be saved.

Although it's true, I'm still a bit offended. Nothing is wrong with a guy being short since I'm short myself. We'll be a cute match. Besides, I love short and/or chubby guys. They're so huggable like teddy bears.

caronte wrote:-second,this country in past years developed in a impressive manner,for example,the best stock exchange in the world (in terms of performance)was the vietnamese one in 2006.

The ward ended in 1975, and the growth of Vietnam started in 2005. It took them 30 years to brainwash the new generations. They've wasted 30 years before starting to speed up. Well, at least they've actually started it. For instance, more people have money to travel oversea now, unlike before (my great-great-grandaunt wanted to go to the States, but they don't allow because she's 97 years old. She's pretty crushed. She wants to visit America before she dies)

With Internet and easy traveling, this is why there are Vietnamese girls who don't mind arranged marriages wanted to get the heck outta Vietnam. If Vietnam was like Singapore, Thailand, or Hong Kong, I don't think there would have been that many Vietnamese girls who got married for money. And this is exactly my point. The war has been long gone for 30 years plus, why can't Vietnam be like those countries? Or at least almost be near like those?

caronte wrote:Finally, the answer about welfare confirms my opinion: it is incredible that the richest world's country could have 40 millions of poors at a lot of problems with basic healtcare,my God we are in America, not in dustbin country like Viet Nam.God bless you

The poverty rate in the United States is one of the highest among the post-industrialized developed world.[4] It is, however, important to note that America's poor most commonly have adequate food, clothing and shelter.

I know how poor American and poor Vietnamese worry in daily basic. Poor American worry how they can get money to buy a new car, a nice house, a family vacation and sending kids to good college. On the other hand, poor Vietnamese just worry how to get money to feed themselves. I’ve been there and done that

I would not repeate the same topics and boring you,but I would like to point out two substantial issues.
Regarding last message we can say it is likely banal comparing the meaningful of"poor" in US and in Viet Nam, we do not need to go there to know there are differencies. But all of us know US are the most powerful wordl's country and Viet Nam,by contrast,the asia's dustbin.Given that we have to historicize our research and not stopping in our personal and superficial wiew. Lennye write about her personal experience,now she's well and no matter for the rest. I respect all your wiew but one person sometimes has to be neutral
and make an effort to understand the real situation.
US are like a caterpillar,no obstacles and no reasons for the others,you are with them or against them.This muscled politics is not the best in a world more and more complcated and uncertain.
Besides, the social politicy of US is wrong,in my opnion 40 millions of poors and millions of homeless ,
data provided by OECD not by me, and,I repeat is not matter of college here, are unacceptable among so much national wealth.
Viet Nam after his "star wars", started from nothing, and now is developing at the pace of 10 per cent per year,not so bad after centuries of slavery.
And finally it conquested the more important issue : international dignity.
That is important when other countries are able to win wars only at the movies.
thank you.
Caronte