With the awful sand scene, you can kind of see Anakin thinking (as he touches her hand and later her back) "Am I doing this right?" He's almost bitten his lip in anticipation of her response. Then he moves in slowly, almost jerkily, for the kiss, and they kiss, and she pulls away and says "I shouldn't have done that" and he says "I'm sorry" in this small voice.

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That's the way I saw the scene as well. I felt bad for Anakin. He's basically a kid on his first date, with a woman that he's had a crush on forever and wants very, very badly to impress her. He's nervous as hell.

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I'm sorry but the whole thing was done so gut wrenchingly badly that I just felt bad for the actors, because they are good actors. I'm suprised GL didnt chuck in a scene where they go to kiss a litte too excitedly and their teeth clash. Wouldn't of looked out of place to be honest. 'You are so beautiful' 'maybe that's because I'm so in love' 'no that's because I'm so in love with you' 'then love has blinded you?' What the ****????!!!!!! Who wrote this??!! You can physically see the actors are thinking that.

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I are am the so in love with your face coz from my point of view Jedi are evil. Darkside! The writting was darksided. Tainted. It definitely wasn't christian.

With the awful sand scene, you can kind of see Anakin thinking (as he touches her hand and later her back) "Am I doing this right?" He's almost bitten his lip in anticipation of her response. Then he moves in slowly, almost jerkily, for the kiss, and they kiss, and she pulls away and says "I shouldn't have done that" and he says "I'm sorry" in this small voice.

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That's the way I saw the scene as well. I felt bad for Anakin. He's basically a kid on his first date, with a woman that he's had a crush on forever and wants very, very badly to impress her. He's nervous as hell.

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I'm sorry but the whole thing was done so gut wrenchingly badly that I just felt bad for the actors, because they are good actors. I'm suprised GL didnt chuck in a scene where they go to kiss a litte too excitedly and their teeth clash. Wouldn't of looked out of place to be honest. 'You are so beautiful' 'maybe that's because I'm so in love' 'no that's because I'm so in love with you' 'then love has blinded you?' What the ****????!!!!!! Who wrote this??!! You can physically see the actors are thinking that.

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If you at Haydens face in that scene it look's like he's high, Maybe just think of both characters like that in the scene and it actually makes perfect sense, them saying that crap.

One of my New Year's resolutions for 2013 was to stop wasting time arguing about trivial things on the internet. I don't think I'm going to make it a regular habit again, but I just wanted to respond to some things I saw in the first post of this thread:

- Disrespectful towards Obi-Wan

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- Talks about how he is frustrated with Obi-Wan and the Council

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How are these negatives to Padme? Anakin's first small argument with Obi-Wan (and he's not that disrespectful to Obi-Wan in AOTC, fan exaggerations aside) was over how much they should do to help Padme. Anakin says that they'll do anything they can to hunt down her attempted killer. Obi-Wan dispassionately (and the prequel Jedi are defined by their lack of compassion) says that they'll do no such thing, because their mission is limited to protecting her.

Now why would Padme take Obi-Wan's side in this?! Anakin's the one who wants to do more for her, after all. Furthermore, one of Padme's defining traits in AOTC is her pronounced individualism. She goes against the Senate and constantly questions the Jedi assigned to protect her. She breaks rules and takes risks according to her own decisions, some of which are recklessly brave. Padme's the one who made up her own plan to draw out the assassin. Yet she's supposed to sit down and like it when Obi-Wan places limits on what she and Anakin are supposed to do in her defense?

Really, I can just stop right here because this is a perfect example of the kind of close-minded thinking behind a lot of prequel criticism. The first poster obviously favors Obi-Wan. Maybe he's an older Original Trilogy fan, and he likes the older Original Trilogy character. But whatever the reason, he seems to think that the characters in the movie should take the same sides that he does. This is ignoring that the characters have their own personalities and motivations. It's a failure to see past one's own opinion.

Same goes for Anakin wiping out the Tusken Raiders, who Padme only knows as murderous, inhuman monsters who killed his mother. In a real world where I've seen normal people dehumanizing entire countries or races, I don't find Padme's lack of sympathy for the Tuskens to be that unbelievable. Again, this is an anti-prequel fan projecting his dislike for Anakin onto the characters.

Padme and Anakin aren't supposed to have a healthy relationship. They're two people with isolated upbringings, who come together because they are passionate about their duty to serve a corrupted Republic that everyone else seems complacent about. Anakin also happens to bravely save her life multiple times, between continually giving her praise. It's a tragedy about two vulnerable people who came together and were eventually destroyed by their romance.

Whether you like or dislike that is your opinion. But again, this thread shines a light on some people's desire to reach beyond their subjective opinion and make shaky arguments about the logic of the films.

It happens again and again, because many people in the online SW fandom aren't interested in real analysis of the movies. To them, it's all about pushing the way that they feel, without thinking about the perspectives of other people, real or fictional.

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Good post.

You know, it never bothered me how they quickly fell in love with each other. But it wouldn't have hurt if they edited out some of the gushy dialogue a bit.

One of my New Year's resolutions for 2013 was to stop wasting time arguing about trivial things on the internet. I don't think I'm going to make it a regular habit again, but I just wanted to respond to some things I saw in the first post of this thread:

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You did not waste my time. Your entire post was fantastic and I hope to read more like it, again. From time to time. (Being to be mindful of your resolutions, of course.)

Padme and Anakin aren't supposed to have a healthy relationship. They're two people with isolated upbringings, who come together because they are passionate about their duty to serve a corrupted Republic that everyone else seems complacent about. Anakin also happens to bravely save her life multiple times, between continually giving her praise. It's a tragedy about two vulnerable people who came together and were eventually destroyed by their romance.

One of my New Year's resolutions for 2013 was to stop wasting time arguing about trivial things on the internet. I don't think I'm going to make it a regular habit again, but I just wanted to respond to some things I saw in the first post of this thread:

- Disrespectful towards Obi-Wan

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- Talks about how he is frustrated with Obi-Wan and the Council

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How are these negatives to Padme? Anakin's first small argument with Obi-Wan (and he's not that disrespectful to Obi-Wan in AOTC, fan exaggerations aside) was over how much they should do to help Padme. Anakin says that they'll do anything they can to hunt down her attempted killer. Obi-Wan dispassionately (and the prequel Jedi are defined by their lack of compassion) says that they'll do no such thing, because their mission is limited to protecting her.

Now why would Padme take Obi-Wan's side in this?! Anakin's the one who wants to do more for her, after all. Furthermore, one of Padme's defining traits in AOTC is her pronounced individualism. She goes against the Senate and constantly questions the Jedi assigned to protect her. She breaks rules and takes risks according to her own decisions, some of which are recklessly brave. Padme's the one who made up her own plan to draw out the assassin. Yet she's supposed to sit down and like it when Obi-Wan places limits on what she and Anakin are supposed to do in her defense?

Really, I can just stop right here because this is a perfect example of the kind of close-minded thinking behind a lot of prequel criticism. The first poster obviously favors Obi-Wan. Maybe he's an older Original Trilogy fan, and he likes the older Original Trilogy character. But whatever the reason, he seems to think that the characters in the movie should take the same sides that he does. This is ignoring that the characters have their own personalities and motivations. It's a failure to see past one's own opinion.

Same goes for Anakin wiping out the Tusken Raiders, who Padme only knows as murderous, inhuman monsters who killed his mother. In a real world where I've seen normal people dehumanizing entire countries or races, I don't find Padme's lack of sympathy for the Tuskens to be that unbelievable. Again, this is an anti-prequel fan projecting his dislike for Anakin onto the characters.

Padme and Anakin aren't supposed to have a healthy relationship. They're two people with isolated upbringings, who come together because they are passionate about their duty to serve a corrupted Republic that everyone else seems complacent about. Anakin also happens to bravely save her life multiple times, between continually giving her praise. It's a tragedy about two vulnerable people who came together and were eventually destroyed by their romance.

Whether you like or dislike that is your opinion. But again, this thread shines a light on some people's desire to reach beyond their subjective opinion and make shaky arguments about the logic of the films.

It happens again and again, because many people in the online SW fandom aren't interested in real analysis of the movies. To them, it's all about pushing the way that they feel, without thinking about the perspectives of other people, real or fictional.

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Good post.

You know, it never bothered me how they quickly fell in love with each other. But it wouldn't have hurt if they edited out some of the gushy dialogue a bit.

Just saying...

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The thing that bothered me (apart from the script, acting etc) was the fact Anakin was a 10 year old boy the last time he saw her. Correct me if I'm wrong but 10 year old boys don't look at girls in that way. And then years later he hasnt seen her (which is odd because he's a Padawan and she's a Senator and seeing as though the Jedi have a lot of dealings with the senate they haven't bumped into each other at all in those years?) since then and he's claiming that she's all he's been thinking about? So he fell in love and become besotted with this girl when he was ten? He was that emotionally mature when he was ten? Maybe he should've said oh yeah hi I remember you now (thinking to himself, ****! She is fine!) IMO

I never assumed that Anakin fell in love with her when he was 10. He was in awe because a very important woman was paying attention to him and was kind to him (which didn't happen very often on Tatooine) and he remembered her for that reason but I did not take that as sexual at all, at least not until he reached adolescence and his hormones took over.

I don't doubt that he thought she was pretty but that doesn't translate to anything beyond that at age 10.

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I have been told I had my first crush before I was three, I actually met my best friend Angie before my first memory. We were born just days apart, my aunt babysat us both and I kissed her when I was five the day she moved away. I loved her every day until leukemia took her life when I was 13... I love her even now. So all I'm saying is, there's a chance that young Ani was as blown away as teen Anakin claimed in the elevator on the way up to see Padme. Maybe she was his angel, no matter how un Han Solo-ish that line is.

I'm glad people see that there can be a more serious side to this than simply dismissing it as "kid humor." If Anakin couldn't stop thinking about her ten years after their encounter, then he obviously thought more than just "she was pretty."

I don't doubt that he thought she was pretty but that doesn't translate to anything beyond that at age 10.

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I have been told I had my first crush before I was three, I actually met my best friend Angie before my first memory. We were born just days apart, my aunt babysat us both and I kissed her when I was five the day she moved away. I loved her every day until leukemia took her life when I was 13... I love her even now. So all I'm saying is, there's a chance that young Ani was as blown away as teen Anakin claimed in the elevator on the way up to see Padme. Maybe she was his angel, no matter how un Han Solo-ish that line is.

I don't doubt that there was an unexplainable connection between Anakin and Padme when they met. Even as someone who believes that what you see is what you get, isn't spiritual at all and doesn't buy into any bull**** about destiny or the "will of the Force," I do believe that such connections happen for reasons that aren't easily understood.

I think where some of us have been parting ways is with the idea that Anakin's first thought in Watto's shop was how he could get her clothes off, or with the idea that he spent the next 10 years obsessing about her instead of merely thinking of her some and remembering her fondly.

I think where some of us have been parting ways is with the idea that Anakin's first thought in Watto's shop was how he could get her clothes off, or with the idea that he spent the next 10 years obsessing about her instead of merely thinking of her some and remembering her fondly.

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Well even that isn't that hard to believe....the first time I fell head over heels for someone I was 6 and even though I couldn't explain it I wanted to do something more than share milk and cookies with him...an activity that would have more than fine with my first crush. I believe that not growing up in a sheltered environment as Anakin has would provide certain understanding of things...coming from someone who birth country in a way exposes kids to things much earlier, I know it can happen. I'm not saying Lucas intended it, but there's is underlying of Ani's maturity for his age in their meeting.

I think where some of us have been parting ways is with the idea that Anakin's first thought in Watto's shop was how he could get her clothes off, or with the idea that he spent the next 10 years obsessing about her instead of merely thinking of her some and remembering her fondly.

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Well even that isn't that hard to believe....the first time I fell head over heels for someone I was 6 and even though I couldn't explain it I wanted to do something more than share milk and cookies with him...an activity that would have more than fine with my first crush. I believe that not growing up in a sheltered environment as Anakin has would provide certain understanding of things...coming from someone who birth country in a way exposes kids to things much earlier, I know it can happen. I'm not saying Lucas intended it, but there's is underlying of Ani's maturity for his age in their meeting.

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His dialogue towards her was just normal, curious kids stuff. Early to mid teens is when you start becoming infatuated with girls ( when your balls drop lol) he was more interested in playing around with stuff mechanically. He may have been smarter than the average 10 year old in that way, but there was nothing to suggest that he would become besotted with her? And if your argument is the usual speculative 'well he may have this and he may have that? Then that doesn't really do it for me. It's what is in the FILM that counts.

He was only interested in mechanical stuff because there weren't any angels around... and the first thing he does is brag about his skills. As soon as she gets inside his house, he takes her and heads straight for his room to validate his claims in Watto's shop. I'm not saying he was trying to scrump, but he was definitely trying to impress the new pretty girl in his life.

He was only interested in mechanical stuff because there weren't any angels around... and the first thing he does is brag about his skills. As soon as she gets inside his house, he takes her and heads straight for his room to validate his claims in Watto's shop. I'm not saying he was trying to scrump, but he was definitely trying to impress the new pretty girl in his life.

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Not for me. Who's to say he didnt want to brag about what he'd built and how clever he was with anyone new that 'came round'

Who's to say he didnt want to brag about what he'd built and how clever he was with anyone new that 'came round'

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While true, Anakin would have gone about it in another manner...he's a smart kid and like I said, I've been there myself to recognize it...so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Where I grew up there were many girls who were part of the group of kids hanging about, doing this and that. They were just friends. Until that is I got to the age of 14/15 when, I began perceiving them in a totally different light. (Well not all of them, maybe just 1or 2 lol)