SRAM 10 and 11spd links are not intended to be reused, all other SRAM links are reuseable though. KMC and connex both make reusable 10spd links should be inclined to remove your chain regularly for some odd reason.

They don't care. They're the *******s that made all the speeds past 9. How could they care? They probably LIKE that you have to spend MORE MORE MORE on their stupid ****ing overpriced stupid ****ing chains. They probably LIKE that the chains don't last as long and are a pain in the ass to use. You know why? Because they're the sorry ****ers that made speeds past nine.

And as for Shimano charging you $3 every time you need to break their chain, or SRAM charging 10+ every time you need to fiddle with that link, well, that's just the icing on the cake for those sorry SORRY EVIL ****ers who made the speeds past nine.

I understand a new one for a new chain, but what harm can there be just taking the chain off? This would be annoying since I like to remove the chain sometimes for a good cleaning.

Breaking chains always comes at a horrible time and you're certainly likely to do yourself some harm. So if a manufacturer says not to reuse them, I'm not going to do it no matter how many people claim to do so without issue. The risk of breaking a chain isn't worth it. There's nothing worthwhile you can do to clean your chain off the bike that you can't do while it's on the bike.

Originally Posted by aBicycle

They don't care. They're the *******s that made all the speeds past 9. How could they care? They probably LIKE that you have to spend MORE MORE MORE on their stupid ****ing overpriced stupid ****ing chains. They probably LIKE that the chains don't last as long and are a pain in the ass to use. You know why? Because they're the sorry ****ers that made speeds past nine.

And as for Shimano charging you $3 every time you need to break their chain, or SRAM charging 10+ every time you need to fiddle with that link, well, that's just the icing on the cake for those sorry SORRY EVIL ****ers who made the speeds past nine.

Bitter much? I don't think the guys on the VRC forum are that grumpy about 10spd.

Um no actually after a month of good riding I remove the chain to clean it properly. I keep it cleaned and lubed regularly but it still accumulates some gunk over time. So yes I need to remove the chain sometimes.

All else being equal yes. But metallurgy has improved a bit since your beloved 9spd chains were first built. Shimano claimed (and bike rumor verified) that their 980 10spd chain was the most durable and strongest chain they've ever produced. They then turned around and said the same thing about the 9000 11spd Dura Ace chain. So if they were to reinvest that R&D into 9spd chains they could be stronger, but they're not going to do that.

Um no actually after a month of good riding I remove the chain to clean it properly. I keep it cleaned and lubed regularly but it still accumulates some gunk over time. So yes I need to remove the chain sometimes.

Maybe you want to but you don't really need to remove the chain. If I could do it for a living, cleaning multiple chains daily and leaving them on the bike, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal for someone who only has one or two bikes to maintain. You can get a pretty grungy chain shiny clean in a reasonably quick time without removing it.

It might be rare for chain to fail where it has been re-connected but it's even more rare for a chain to fail if it hasn't been broken in the first place. If it's your own life then it's your call but when I'm dealing with someone else's, or my own for that matter, I prefer not to take what I feel is an unnecessary risk.

I think I may have broken a couple as a kid but in the last 30 years of riding bikes over many thousands of miles both on and off-road I have never broken a chain, and I have also never removed one for cleaning. Coincidence? Maybe.....

Well that's all fine and dandy but perhaps my cleaning methods are a bit more detailed. I also remove other components and it's alot easier with the chain out of the way.

In any case someone mentioned a 10-speed chain is not weaker, then why is it no problem removing a 9-speed quicklink?

I don't break chains either but I've never used 10-speed, which is why I was curious as to why they couldn't be removed. Don't get me started on Shimano master pins, I don't use 'em. I always go with Sram powerlinks.

Maybe you want to but you don't really need to remove the chain. If I could do it for a living, cleaning multiple chains daily and leaving them on the bike, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal for someone who only has one or two bikes to maintain. You can get a pretty grungy chain shiny clean in a reasonably quick time without removing it.

It might be rare for chain to fail where it has been re-connected but it's even more rare for a chain to fail if it hasn't been broken in the first place. If it's your own life then it's your call but when I'm dealing with someone else's, or my own for that matter, I prefer not to take what I feel is an unnecessary risk.

I think I may have broken a couple as a kid but in the last 30 years of riding bikes over many thousands of miles both on and off-road I have never broken a chain, and I have also never removed one for cleaning. Coincidence? Maybe.....

I take chains off all the time....I've also broken 3 in the last year.