When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

krayzie Bone wrote:When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

I don't think it's that far. A squash match kinda made sense, based on how the storyline was going. I still don't like that it happened. I think him & Sheamus could have a great match.

krayzie Bone wrote:When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

I don't think it's that far. A squash match kinda made sense, based on how the storyline was going. I still don't like that it happened. I think him & Sheamus could have a great match.

Agreed on all accounts. I don't think Vince McMahon considers indy wrestling to be a thing to even think about.

krayzie Bone wrote:When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

I don't think it's that far. A squash match kinda made sense, based on how the storyline was going. I still don't like that it happened. I think him & Sheamus could have a great match.

Well I have never seen a great match in the WWE but let's not argue about this cause it will lead to nowhere. Their lame story lines is precisely why I stopped watching it a while back. And yes Vince did threw it in every ROH and other Indy fan's faces that ever thought Danielson was the best.

krayzie Bone wrote:When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

I don't think it's that far. A squash match kinda made sense, based on how the storyline was going. I still don't like that it happened. I think him & Sheamus could have a great match.

Well I have never seen a great match in the WWE but let's not argue about this cause it will lead to nowhere. Their lame story lines is precisely why I stopped watching it a while back. And yes Vince did threw it in every ROH and other Indy fan's faces that ever thought Danielson was the best.

It was part of a story line, Danielson will eventually get the title back. Remember people: 1) Danielson is bigger right than he ever was in the Indies, 2) Stop being so harsh on the WWE. Its not a wrestling company, its all about entertainment.

krayzie Bone wrote:When Danielson jobbed to Sheamus in 18 seconds, it was basically Vince's big fuck you to Indy wrestling. Vince was conveying a message that no matter how good you are of a wrestler and no matter how popular you are in the Indies, your ability and talent means nothing once you are in the WWE. Once in WWE, Vince owns you. One of the most talented wrestlers in the history of the Indies jobbed to another WWE neanderthal.

I don't think it's that far. A squash match kinda made sense, based on how the storyline was going. I still don't like that it happened. I think him & Sheamus could have a great match.

Well I have never seen a great match in the WWE but let's not argue about this cause it will lead to nowhere. Their lame story lines is precisely why I stopped watching it a while back. And yes Vince did threw it in every ROH and other Indy fan's faces that ever thought Danielson was the best.

I don't care to argue either but the fans that think Danielson is one of the best are going to think such even with that WrestleMania travesty.

I mean you can justify this any way you want but the fact remains that Danielson lost a wrestling match in 18 seconds at the biggest show of the year Wrestlemania. His loss will go down in history. I've been around wrestling almost my entire life and I guarantee you that when you loose a match, needless to say a title match in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania, it is a permanent stain on your wrestling reputation. Sure Danielson's fans will continue to think he is great but that's not important. This was a very political and very deliberate offense by Vince against Indies. It is very obvious to me.

berserko wrote:I agree that this will be remembered by history as a quick loss, but people usually bag the booking, not the wrestler. Warrior squashed Triple H in similar fashion - how is HHH doing these days?

berserko wrote:I agree that this will be remembered by history as a quick loss, but people usually bag the booking, not the wrestler. Warrior squashed Triple H in similar fashion - how is HHH doing these days?

He has Steph to thank for that. It's a shame for all of the male wrestlers that Shane McMahon isn't a homosexual.

berserko wrote:I agree that this will be remembered by history as a quick loss, but people usually bag the booking, not the wrestler. Warrior squashed Triple H in similar fashion - how is HHH doing these days?

Ultimate Warrior is as big of a name as Hogan. You don't see the difference between jobbing to Warrior and jobbing to Sheamus? LOL

I'm not saying that Brian's career is over, and I understand that this is sports entertainment and not a real competition, all I'm saying is that Vince booked that shit on purpose and not really to make Danielson look bad. it was more of a statement toward Indy wrestling. Please consider this subject closed because to me this is as clear as daylight, I'm sorry that you guys don't see it the same way.

Garden State Saint wrote:It's closed because a few people don't agree. C'mon now.

There is really nothing more to discuss or argue about. I know why Vince jobbed Danielson. This is nothing new though, WWE is known for jobbing great wrestlers to Neanderthals. I cannot prove to you or anyone else here that it was pure politics on behalf of Vince and WWE, since I cannot prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, it remains simply my opinion, I stated my opinion and others here disagreed, what else is there to be said Garden Saint?

berserko wrote:I agree that this will be remembered by history as a quick loss, but people usually bag the booking, not the wrestler. Warrior squashed Triple H in similar fashion - how is HHH doing these days?

Ultimate Warrior is as big of a name as Hogan. You don't see the difference between jobbing to Warrior and jobbing to Sheamus? LOL

That is remarkable that this is what you took from my statement. Warrior squashing HHH had little to do with Warrior's popularity, but was a punishment for HHH breaking kayfabe, as popular opinion suggests. I am not comparing Sheamus to Warrior, I am comparing the squash. It is not unheard of for a Wrestlemania squash to occur, and in Danielson's case, it seems to have more with a cheap pop to bury the chickenshit heel more than it does killing the Indies. If Vince wants to kill the Indies, he can just try to pull the best talent, but there will always be that next guy, so that does not seem to be Vince's concern.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and I do not presume to know all about backstage politics, but my point, along with some others on the board, is that this does not hurt Daniel Bryan much, if at all, and probably will lead to a push and storyline angles. Regardless, I have been surprised, and quite pleased, with WWE pushing some of our Indy Superstars, and I will take that all day.

As a total aside - thanks for the kind words Garden State Saint - they are much appreciated, and perhaps I will have to post more, as I absolutely love the PWG fan community

Garden State Saint wrote:It's closed because a few people don't agree. C'mon now.

There is really nothing more to discuss or argue about. I know why Vince jobbed Danielson. This is nothing new though, WWE is known for jobbing great wrestlers to Neanderthals. I cannot prove to you or anyone else here that it was pure politics on behalf of Vince and WWE, since I cannot prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, it remains simply my opinion, I stated my opinion and others here disagreed, what else is there to be said Garden Saint?

berserko wrote:I agree that this will be remembered by history as a quick loss, but people usually bag the booking, not the wrestler. Warrior squashed Triple H in similar fashion - how is HHH doing these days?

Ultimate Warrior is as big of a name as Hogan. You don't see the difference between jobbing to Warrior and jobbing to Sheamus? LOL

That is remarkable that this is what you took from my statement. Warrior squashing HHH had little to do with Warrior's popularity, but was a punishment for HHH breaking kayfabe, as popular opinion suggests. I am not comparing Sheamus to Warrior, I am comparing the squash. It is not unheard of for a Wrestlemania squash to occur, and in Danielson's case, it seems to have more with a cheap pop to bury the chickenshit heel more than it does killing the Indies. If Vince wants to kill the Indies, he can just try to pull the best talent, but there will always be that next guy, so that does not seem to be Vince's concern.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and I do not presume to know all about backstage politics, but my point, along with some others on the board, is that this does not hurt Daniel Bryan much, if at all, and probably will lead to a push and storyline angles. Regardless, I have been surprised, and quite pleased, with WWE pushing some of our Indy Superstars, and I will take that all day.

As a total aside - thanks for the kind words Garden State Saint - they are much appreciated, and perhaps I will have to post more, as I absolutely love the PWG fan community

I didn't say Vince was trying to kill the Indies, I said it was more of a statement then anything. Statement that in WWE great Indy wrestlers count for shit. Killing the Indies? No, if he kills the Indies, where is he gonna draw talent from? Yes I agree it does not hurt Danielson much because real wrestling fans know better and WWE fans never give enough shit.