Kyrie Irving’s ‘Flat Earth Theory’ comments have drawn mocking and ridicule on social media, and people who trust basic science, but it’s never been clear if Irving actually believes it, or if he was just pulling a prank to prove some larger point.

Well, Irving finally opened up on the topic on J.J. Redick’s podcast, and he’s definitely ‘that guy’ when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Kyrie has often told people to “do [their] own research” when it comes to his comments implying the Earth might not actually be round, and it turns out Irving’s groundbreaking research on the topic came on Instagram:

“When I said it, though, I had been watching a whole bunch of Instagram videos. Meaning, like, I had these specific pages on Instagram that were like, ‘The truth given to you,’ and videos like, ‘This is the flat Earth, and the horizon evens out on evens out only on a flat Earth.'”

Irving also says he just wants the truth, so the question of the Earth’s true shape can FINALLY be put to rest:

“I wasn’t trying to convince everybody the world is flat, and that’s how everyone took it as, which is fine. I just want it to be just done with. Like, give me the truth on a lot of these things, and we can just be done with it.”

Kyrie also goes into a long-winded tangent about the new Taco Bell commercial, how people don’t understand the true meaning of the “all knowing eye,” and 9/11 conspiracy theories.