Why is it that the most Jewish run governments had the largest four engine heavy bombers and bombing doctrine? You keep blaming the White British, but the USSR and USA were the big bombers in 1941 when WW II started.

In your effort to hate anything British or American you only try to divide Whites, instead of looking at the facts.

The USAAF (and the USSR) had far higher bombers in 1941 than the RAF.

Why was this? It was because the the War Departments were reliant on the Jewish bankers. So who were the Jewish bankers? David Irving recounts how one Jewish banker, Morgenthau, pressured both FDR and Churchill.

Hendersson, If I didn't know better, I would think you are a fraud simply trying to flush out jew-haters and derail this thread (not like it hasn't been tried before).

The thread is about the RAF and USAAF bombing of German cities.

For 60 years we Whites have had a guilt trip put on us of how bad we are in combat. We vaguely name the Jews as starting WW II. But we never nail down the hard facts. You have it very simplistic, that it's all English speaking Whites.

David Irving shows the power forces that turned honorable combat into atrocities. You keep blaming Churchill, but the evidence shows who was forcing Churchill. If this went on in 1944, it most likely went on in 1942.

Morgenthau's son was also there when Morgenthau stepped off the C-54 at Prestwick, Scotland, on August 6 -- Eisenhower's chief of staff Bedell Smith had secured a comfortable army appointment for him. (There was to be 'no mention whatsoever, at any time, about his son nor photographs including his son,' Morgenthau's aide had stipulated.

THE MEETING WITH CHURCHILL

On August 10, Churchill's diary showed a lunch appointment with Henry Morgenthau.

Churchill had longer-term worries than the future of Germany. He had at last woken up to the long term cost of the war to the Empire.

At the meeting between Churchill and Morgenthau the small-talk was as frigid as only an interview between a penniless debtor and his banker can be.

My question to you plantation14 is if Allied bombing policy was changed in 1944, as the USAAF's policy was clearly, then could it not have been the same change in 1942?

You keep wanting to blame the White British, but you need to look at who was forcing Churchill, and how far did it go back, to 1942 very likely. The enemy isn't white stars on planes, the enemy is who is guiding the war.

Blaming Whites who were conscripted by their respective countries to fight other Whites is not longer good for Whites across all our nations.

For 60 years we Whites have had a built trip put on us of how bad we are in combat.

No, for 60 years we people have heard only about how bad Germans were in combat. There has been no remorse or second guessing or re-analysis from or about the other sides...until recently, and until places like here. Then the apologists crawl out from under their rocks and try to shove certain truths back into the darkness by sidetracking the discussion with fake data, hair brained theories and name calling, as you are well adept at.

No, for 60 years we people have heard only about how bad Germans were in combat. There has been no remorse or second guessing or re-analysis from or about the other sides...until recently, and until places like here.

For about 30 years it was like that. Then Dresden books began to be published. Then it was the "holocaust" was the justification for Dresden, etc.

But it's always been the Jew media blaming some Whites. For 30 years it was bad Germans, then for the next 30 years it was bad Germans and bad British and Americans.

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Then the apologists crawl out from under their rocks and try to shove certain truths back into the darkness by sidetracking the discussion with fake data, hair brained theories and name calling, as you are well adept at.

Name calling? You said my posting of Schweinfurt archival photos and the actual people killed (Jews in forced labor of the Schweinfurt industry) David Irving's material was "reactionary". Now that's a word that's never heard in America. It's a marxist word. If you use marxist words, you can expect to be called a marxist.

Fake data, where? David Irving's material is from state archives and notes of the people involved. The Schweinfurt posts were all documented with actual photography and established sites.

So we will proceed with finding out who was responsible for the bombing of Germany. Morgenthau pressuring Churchill about bankruptcy and being harder on the Germans, which led to Dresden.

The Morgenthau Plan

David Irving's Introduction to the Morgenthau Plan

[In 1986 David Irving published in the German language a file of Allied documents on the origins and history of the Morgenthau Plan. This was his introduction to the documentation].

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Churchill was prepared to speak to Parliament about the straitened financial outlook, but not just yet. Morgenthau's view was that, under the circumstances, Churchill ought to take it up directly with the President.

Reporting to Roosevelt a few days later Morgenthau said, 'In England you can see the thing much clearer. There are two kinds of people there: One like Eden who believes we must cooperate with Russia, and that we must trust Russia for the peace of the world,'at which point FDR said he belonged to the same school as Eden' -- and there is the other school which is illustrated by the remark of Mr Churchill who said, "What are we going to have between the white snows of Russia and the white cliffs of Dover?"'

Churchill was beginning to hint at the need for a strong postwar Germany, and Morgenthau did not like the sound of that at all.

Churchill wanted to pull back to leave a German buffer against communism. But then Dresden was ordered. I think David Irving shows us why.

The pressure the Jew Morgenthau is putting on Churchill is all there. We see all the Jewish machinations of forcing Churchill to be harder on the Germans. Now we know why Dresden happened. We have the minutes to the meeting that broke Churchill's will to control the bombing and leave a stronger Germany to resist communism.

Your best argument would be that it was known to be the cause of Dresden and 1944 RAF orders change, but where's the evidence for 1942? That would be your best argument if you wanted to study history.

Hendersson, as I said, if I didn't know better I'd think you are sitting behind some cubby at the Southern Poverty Law Center or the like just trying to flush out "jew-haters" and derail this thread with name calling and nonsense. My responses were well studied, well thought out and calm considering that you are obviously an inveterate baiter. But don't think your intentions are not obvious.

Hendersson, as I said, if I didn't know better I'd think you are sitting behind some cubby at the Southern Poverty Law Center or the like just trying to flush out "jew-haters" and derail this thread with name calling and nonsense. My responses were well studied, well thought out and calm considering that you are obviously an inveterate baiter. But don't think your intentions are not obvious.

I wasn't the one who brought up Schweinfurt, which is an archetypal industrial and not civilian bombing history. Schweinfurt caused all this argument because it didn't fit your evil USAAF ideology.

The SPLC and the Jew Dees would love to blame White British and White Americans for the bombing policy of WW II.

You're the one who threw the word "reactionary" which only Marxists use in the heat of debate, at me. Then you start a string of personal insults, when I quote David Irvings's work.

No wonder Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center wanted David Irving in prison, he totally exposed the Jew Morgenthau pushing Chruchill around in 1944 to be harder on the Germans, which of course led to Dresden.

Now we will get on with exposing the Jew's Morgenthau and Bernstein behind the forcing of Churchill to increase his attacks on the German people, which by 1944, Churchill had pulled away from so as to leave a stronger Germany to battle communism.

It's a common tendency for Jews to work behind the scenes and always blame somebody else, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, or the average White man conscripted by force, anybody but the Jews who David Irving shows are responsible.

The Jews want to place the blame on some prominent White person, or that at least appears Whites to the masses.

Nobody here has excused FDR or Churchill for their complicity in the bombings of WW II, or indeed the pilots, ground crews and airmen, all of whom could have stopped being "evil white men' and filed for Conscientious Objector status.

I have not attempted to minimize the civilian deaths, other than explain in some cases, like Schweinfurt, who was actually killed. But you seem to not want to take up David Irving's material on Morgenthau, Bernstein and G-5 and don't want the investigation into the bombings to go further than the "evil White men of Churchill and FDR".

David Irving shows the Jews Morgenthau and Bernstein of G-5 planning being behind the forcing of Churchill changing his policy towards the German people in 1944, which resulted in Dresden. At the very least you could stop the theatrics and argue that in 1942, David Irving doesn't show the evidence for RAF policy change then. But Lend Lease would come up to be the pressure.

There is absolutely no necessity to divert the investigation of the war crimes of psychopaths in the RAF & USAAF targeting commitees who ordered the firebombing of countless German civilian and cultural centers by asserting it was undertaken by an entire people. That should end. The investigators and historians on this thread will then be able to focus on actually identifying this ghastly cabal.

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Originally Posted by plantation14

Hendersson, as I said, if I didn't know better I'd think you are sitting behind some cubby at the Southern Poverty Law Center or the like just trying to flush out "jew-haters" and derail this thread with name calling and nonsense. My responses were well studied, well thought out and calm considering that you are obviously an inveterate baiter. But don't think your intentions are not obvious.

Hendersson, as I said, if I didn't know better I'd think you are sitting behind some cubby at the Southern Poverty Law Center or the like just trying to flush out "jew-haters" and derail this thread with name calling and nonsense. My responses were well studied, well thought out and calm considering that you are obviously an inveterate baiter. But don't think your intentions are not obvious.

Why do you still debate this lunatic? You are playing his game.

Here a few of his deceptions:

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You keep saying "Soviets" in jewspeak. That's what the Jew media calls them. They are a nation of White people who were under Jew control, Jewish USSR would be the proper name for them. The Jew USSR bombed German women and children from the air. You have to accept that.

The USSR was a Union of White and non-White nations, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics .
The two biggest were Russia and Ukraine, both of them White.
It also included Asiatic nations for example the Turkmen SSR or the Uzbek SSR.

Deception#2:

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and that is the Jew banker Morgenthau

Henry Morgenthau jr. was Secretary of the Treasury of the USA. He was an early friend and neighbor of the Roosevelt family, both from Hyde Park NY, a nice idyllic town on the Hudson north of NYC.
In 1933, FDR became President and appointed Morgenthau governor of the
Federal Farm Board. In 1934 Roosevelt appointed Morgenthau Secretary of the Treasury (an act that enraged conservatives). Yes Morgenthau was jewish, like most of FDR's advisors and "Brain Trusts".

Why is it that the most Jewish run governments had the largest four engine heavy bombers and bombing doctrine? You keep blaming the White British, but the USSR and USA were the big bombers in 1941 when WW II started.

Everyone understand? The BIG BOMBERS of WW2 were the USSR and USA,
but not the British !

He deliberately chooses the year 1941, when both the USSR and USA
were entangled into WW2.
Fact is that from 41 on the Soviets could not continue their strategic bomber program from the same reason Germans had ZERO and Britain only 24: Lack of resources.
The British, fighting alone for a year, had the doctrine and the will but of
course decided to build 2 Wellingtons rather than 1 Sterling with their
available engine production.

Suspiciously a similar production list of British bombers is not available on
the net. Can someone find the Bomber production chart for the British
models keyed after type and year?

But reason says that the British chart is similar to the US chart, that
production on the 4 engine heavy could be sharply increased after
June 41, because that was when the pressure was taken off from
concentrating defensive and tactical types.
Also their most advanced models the Lancaster and Halifax were not available before 1941.

What do the charts tell? The production of heavy bombers of the USSR and enemy Germany was laughable compared to the US and British production.