Here's Why Roberts Said The Insurance Mandate Was OKhttp://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-the-conservative-chief-justice-found-the-insurance-mandate-was-constitutional-2012-6/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:48:35 -0400Erin Fuchshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff9b73beab8ea621a00001cRobert BobsonSun, 08 Jul 2012 12:37:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff9b73beab8ea621a00001c
It's actually not as clear as that in the ruling. t will most certainly be a discussion in the future. Roberts seems to prefer the term "shared responsibility payment" in the ruling. To make things worse, Roberts obfuscated the matter by stating "The text of a statute can sometimes have more than one possible meaning." The closest Roberts comes to calling the ACA requirement a tax is saying " it may reasonably be characterized as a tax." That is not ironclad. It's almost as if Roberts wanted to leave that door open for future interpretation.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fefb9c36bb3f7cf7d000014Dee EarlesSat, 30 Jun 2012 22:45:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fefb9c36bb3f7cf7d000014
Think of it like this, everyone of those old Politician that work in Washington have the best healthcare. Why? Because the middle class pays for it!
So the Republican Party is pissed they may have to pay for there own!
I hope the dumb asses do!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fef8333ecad04737a00000bObserverSat, 30 Jun 2012 18:52:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fef8333ecad04737a00000b
The greatest financial crisis was caused by government forcing banks to lend to minority groups.
At President Clinton’s direction, no fewer than 10 federal agencies issued a chilling ultimatum to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for lower-income minorities or face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. They also were threatened with denial of access to the all-important secondary mortgage market and stiff fines, along with other penalties.
The threat was codified in a 20-page “Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending” and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994, by the Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending. Clinton set up the little-known body to coordinate an unprecedented crackdown on alleged bank redlining.
The edict — completely overlooked by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission and the mainstream media — was signed by then-HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, Attorney General Janet Reno, Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, along with the heads of six other financial regulatory agencies.
“The agencies will not tolerate lending discrimination in any form,” the document warned financial institutions.
So this is where it all started. In 1994. When the government pressured lenders to qualify the unqualified. To put people into houses they couldn’t afford. Or else.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee93ddecad04874e000008lunettes de soleil raybanSat, 30 Jun 2012 01:51:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee93ddecad04874e000008
Good post,Thanks for your sharing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee58c96bb3f78918000006it passed, get use to itFri, 29 Jun 2012 21:39:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee58c96bb3f78918000006
What if the accident was not his fault? hmm what a cold heart. If he didn't elect coverage, he would be taxed. I think this is a good start. Obama had the courage to take this bull by the horns and make happen what others failed to make happen. I believe that as we go along there will be things to be learned and things to be tweaked, but at least the ball is finally rolling as it IS the right thing to do for this country. It won't affect anyone who already has insurance. This will also generate thousands of new jobs to handle the millions who will become insuraed and I don't have any problem with that. It's going to happen so get use to it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee53c9ecad04396200000bliberal in the middleFri, 29 Jun 2012 21:18:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fee53c9ecad04396200000b
to Landlord.... hmm what if it was your grandmother?? hmm I wonder what all the republicans felt about Social Security what that program came along.. and Medicare, Medicade. Just because someone doesn't have insurance does not mean they are irresponsible. This is suppose to be America. I was a victim of this economy and lost my job at Xerox after 20 years.. I was 8months short of health coverage and retirement!!! now what? I've had to sell my home tap into 401k and now I'll be forced to take early SS because Ican't find a permanent job! I'm on cobra untill Feb and then what?????? I am scared to death and ended up in the hospital because I could not sleep for days at a time and started to have panic attact. This economy sucks.. It is not Obama fault... it all over the world. I am extremely grateful that this law has passed. It's a start tand a long time coming/ Obama took that bull by th thehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feddc356bb3f7023200000cLandlordFri, 29 Jun 2012 12:47:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feddc356bb3f7023200000c
What page is this on? Thanks for reading the bill.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feddbb56bb3f7042e00000aLandlordFri, 29 Jun 2012 12:45:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feddbb56bb3f7042e00000a
Obama's plan forces me to buy a product sold by private for profit companies. How hard will these companies try to hold down costs when they know we all must buy their product? Saying, "Government will regulate costs" is silly, because medial insurance providers will helicopter drop campaign money and the government will look the other way at waste, corruption and enormous profits.
Taxes in (some - Spain and France) single payer countries cover basic health services, and poorly. Which is exactly right. If people in single payer countries want more than basic health care they buy private supplemental plans. By implementing a hybrid system no one is denied basic medical care, costs stay low, and people who have done well and want to pay for enhanced services can do so. The medical mafia in the US wants all people to be serviced with the most expensive ""care"" because that brings in money for the doctor/ hospital/insurance mafia. The "best care" for everyone is a bad use of scare resources, some old people must be denied "life saving" procedures that for hundreds of thousands of dollars provide only a few extra months of life. Now if an older person chooses to pay for these marginal procedures themselves, fine, great. But please do not expect tax payers to keep granny on life support at $60,000 a month. It is a poor use of scarce resources. Econ 101.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fedd823eab8eab628000006LandlordFri, 29 Jun 2012 12:30:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fedd823eab8eab628000006
@John1066
You do not understand commerce. All the things you buy, or eat, play with, work with and wear travel on those roads and bridges that "you never use and never will use."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fed51e26bb3f73435000002RudyFri, 29 Jun 2012 02:57:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fed51e26bb3f73435000002
it's so complicated!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecf7d569bedd7d3d00000fhowebouthatThu, 28 Jun 2012 20:33:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecf7d569bedd7d3d00000f
what happened to "No taxation without representation"? this ruling sounds like "taxation for lack of representation" tax you for this, for that, for not having this, for not participating in that, etc. Why do i have to give others some of my paycheck so that they can not provide for themselves?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fece1f769bedd3f12000002cmonsterThu, 28 Jun 2012 19:00:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fece1f769bedd3f12000002
If it weren't a tax, it wouldn't be constitutional. It was passed because it can be done because it is constitutional to enact as long as it is a tax.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fece160eab8ea0512000005cmonsterThu, 28 Jun 2012 18:57:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fece160eab8ea0512000005
I'm not talking about what the act covers, I have no problem with that what-so-ever. What you don't understand is that unless you buy into a system that you do not have to use to get service, you will be TAXED. The bad thing is that there is now precedence that the Federal Government can impose a tax on anyone who doesn't follow their direction.
Please explain how that is "fair."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd5c96bb3f73557000012Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 18:08:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd5c96bb3f73557000012
So... if he decided to strike it down, he was brave? Seriously? How does that work?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd582eab8ea1d79000001Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 18:06:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd582eab8ea1d79000001
Take off the tin foil hat and stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. What in the hell are you talking about?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd53cecad04d32e000002Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 18:05:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd53cecad04d32e000002
I don't think you even understand what the Affordable Coverage Act even covers. It's people like you who think it is an attempt at socialized medicine, but it isn't. It's designed in such a way so that you can actually live in case something happens to you.
Your analogy falls flat because no one is forcing you to buy your house and no one is forcing you to pick the mortgage you picked. If you default on your loan, that's because of your decisions, not mine. In the grand scheme of things, your mortgage means nothing to me so comparing the two makes no sense whatsoever.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd49c69bedd5f6d00000eMario GoveiaThu, 28 Jun 2012 18:03:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd49c69bedd5f6d00000e
John Roberts says this so-called tax is similar to taxes on gasoline and earned income. Good one, John. The last time I checked no one pays a tax on gas they don't buy or pay an income tax on taxes they don't earn.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd0f669bedd2368000015Mario GoveiaThu, 28 Jun 2012 17:47:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecd0f669bedd2368000015
Didn't know we pay tax on gas we don't buy and income we don't earn. Wise up.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feccee6eab8ea0f67000023Sarah ButlerThu, 28 Jun 2012 17:38:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feccee6eab8ea0f67000023
Oh really, read about imminent domain and see if it was followed to the letter, you are looking at an illusion on paper.......so sad.....never believe this so called president cannot get what he wants.....he has so far.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecce9eecad044422000003Sarah ButlerThu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecce9eecad044422000003
You Chief justice Roberts are a coward.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc9b069beddd459000001Mario GoveiaThu, 28 Jun 2012 17:16:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc9b069beddd459000001
John Roberts, "Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income,"
Someone got to John Roberts or he has lost his cotton pickin' mind. How else to explain the bizarre quote above?
The last time I checked no one paid taxes on gasoline they had not bought, or paid a tax on income not earned.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc6eaecad047f15000002NonplussedThu, 28 Jun 2012 17:04:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc6eaecad047f15000002
Saying Obamacare was basically a Repubican idea is like saying slavery was basically an idea of the Democratshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc59369bedd374c000013AmericanEagle1392Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:58:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc59369bedd374c000013
Someone got to John Roberts and we are never going to find out who and how. How else can anyone with more than half a brain make sense of his analogy:
Quote.
"Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income,"
Unquote.
No one incurs a tax when they don't buy gasoline or do not earn an income.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc098ecad045308000004Barrack "I'm a Lying Corrupt Hypocrite!" ObamaThu, 28 Jun 2012 16:37:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecc098ecad045308000004
Collin dont waste your breath this dumb ass is too stupid to even know how to tie his shoeshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecb5b26bb3f7571e000005A. FriendThu, 28 Jun 2012 15:51:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecb5b26bb3f7571e000005
The people complaining about a 'TAX' are looking at this the WRONG way.
- You pay one way or pay another.
If you live in Canada, France, Engkand, etc., etc., you pat higher taxes to pay for free healthcare. What we're doing ( based on Roberts' opinion ) is charging a tax in another way.
We have to take steps one way or another to get our healthcare system to work. You can argue what the mechanism is but the fact remains, WE need something. Let's try this and if it doesn't work in 5 years we can then try something else. But let's keep moving the ball forward and stop this insanity & allow people to live a dignified life if they are faced with needing healthcare.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecaf7569beddb819000001DAThu, 28 Jun 2012 15:24:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecaf7569beddb819000001
Did any of you actually read some of the bill...Here's a nice copy and pasted section.
The Bill explicitly states: (A.) Waiver of Criminal Penalties: "In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section. Such taxpayer shall NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OR PENALTY WITH RESPECT TO SUCH FAILURE." Also, THERE IS NO CIVIL PENALTY: (B.) Limitations on liens and levies, the bill states," The Secretary SHALL NOT: i: File notice of lien with respect to any property of a tax payer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or ii, levy on any such property with respect to such failure." THE IRS HAS NO LEGAL RIGHT TO FINE OR PLACE A LIEN AGAINST ANYONE FOR NOT PAYING THE PENALTY.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecaec669bedd351400000fcmonsterThu, 28 Jun 2012 15:21:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecaec669bedd351400000f
"You haven't been taxed - you have been told that we are a unified people and when the time comes when YOU need help, In case you haven't been to the hospital lately, trust me - it's insanely expensive. "
My mortgage is expensive. If I default on it, the economy is negatively impacted by it. Since you say we are a unified people, why shouldn't you be taxed in order to for the Government to subsidize my mortgage if not pay for it entirely?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecace5ecad040065000008turniptruckThu, 28 Jun 2012 15:13:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecace5ecad040065000008
I've got problems with Obamacare (maybe foremost as a gift I don't like to health insurers), but still glad it passed.
Can anyone out there say with a straight face that the U.S.'s health care system isn't broken...with the highest or close to the highest treatment and prescription costs in the world?
I always considered Obamacare a first step. So yup, stop complaining and let's work towards some real reform that gets costs in line all through the health care system.
Personally, I favor universal health care and have no apologies for that. By most accounts the VA works pretty dang efficiently and is a pretty good model.
And remember that Obamacare is basically a Republican idea. No, I'm not talking Romneycare. I'm talking back to Nixon's proposed employer mandate for health insurance, for those old enough to remember or study the history.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecabfc6bb3f7b20a000005CollinThu, 28 Jun 2012 15:09:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fecabfc6bb3f7b20a000005
Tim... if you think Romney's Massachusetts healthcare and Obama's national healthcare are the same, you know nothing about either. The 10th Amendment makes it possible for states to have a healthcare law if they so choose, and to avoid one if they so choose. Massachusetts chose to have one. MA is constitutional on this basis alone. Roberts doesn't care about MA and their law because it is protected by the 10th Amendment. His decision had nothing to do with it.
Obama's (which he swore was not a tax) now amounts to the largest tax in history. It forces a product (service) on American citizens or penalizes them for not participating. Roberts' reasoning is logically flawed: the commerce clause cannot force anyone to buy anything, but it can fine people for not doing so. The two stances he took contradict one another.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca8916bb3f7b405000007cmonsterThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:55:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca8916bb3f7b405000007
Taxed for not reading them?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca5ae6bb3f79d03000001cmonsterThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:42:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca5ae6bb3f79d03000001
Talk about timing. Just when people began finding out about doctors and hospitals that give HUGE discounts for not making them go through the red tape and administrative headaches of using the HMO's. It looks like the President just improved the jobs outlook for medical health administration bureaucrats.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca56fecad04b457000001Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:41:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca56fecad04b457000001
.... is a good thing?
.... helps the economy?
Do tell what you think okay?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca1976bb3f7e67900000aBarrack "I'm a Lying Corrupt Hypocrite!" ObamaThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:25:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca1976bb3f7e67900000a
Yawnnnn.....Wrong if you were a business owner you would know what a terrible deal the Healthcare Law is for small business....the fact you don't proves your a ignorant Liar. Go back to mommy;s basement loser and fantasize some more about guys you meet on the net masturbating to porn. You my friend are a LOSERhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca16e6bb3f78677000006NetspiritThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:24:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4feca16e6bb3f78677000006
It is technically the same as a tax increase on everyone (legit) and a tax break for those who buy insurance (legit).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9f8eecad04c64a000015original adrianThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:16:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9f8eecad04c64a000015
calling people idiots and then asking for price fixing...............http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9e3b6bb3f75373000008Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:11:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9e3b6bb3f75373000008
You know what's sad about your situation? It's not that you have a torn ligament. It's the fact that you will go to the hospital one day for some reason and you'll expect us to pay for your care saying that it's your God given right.
It's people like you who I think should be denied service for YOUR stupidity.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9d256bb3f72b7100000aPunkbusterThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:06:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9d256bb3f72b7100000a
Got news for you over time, just like in Europe, the man on the street is going to die from cancer or heart disease anyway because of the wait listing and bureaucracy that will be created that will spiral way out of control. (Name the the agency's of the government that run efficiently?)
If you think this fixes all of that you are sadly delusional.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9cf8ecad04bc46000004Joe KnowsThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:05:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9cf8ecad04bc46000004
Yet I can choose not to buy gasoline and NOT get TAXED. THIS GUY IS A CLASS A DIP SHIT! Nice logic chain, you must have gone to harvard...haha i just fact checked and wow I was right... go figure. He has the same logic as our moron president.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS. HOSPITAL CARE IS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY FOR IT THROUGH YOUR MONEY. NOT BECAUSE "ITS SIMPLY EXPENSIVE." I GUESS HOUSING WILL ALWAYS GO UP AND WHEN IT STOPPED NO ONE KNEW WHY BECAUSE THEY NEVER BOTHERED TO UNDERSTAND CREDIT EXPANSION CONTRACTION AND MONEY SUPPLY.
JUST KEEP DIGGING THE HOLE BIGGER. WHEN I GET DONE SHORTING GOLD AND SILVER I AM GOING TO A TON GOING LONG BECAUSE OF THE MONEY PRINTING WE WILL NEED FOR WHAT HAS ALREADY PROVEN TO BE A FAILURE IN MA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9cc8ecad047842000017Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:04:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9cc8ecad047842000017
You're so ignorant it makes me laugh. Go ahead - call me a slacker. Yeah I am an underachiever - I own a profitable business and am growing fast. My employees are happy and this judgement only makes it easier for me to keep them onboard.
Contrast that to you who has your nose so far up Rush's ass that it will take a month to wash that brown off.
Guess what - this isn't a tax... but hey, you'll never know because you are unemployed, living with your parents and live to troll this board. That's really sad... but look at it this way, it means that you can sit at home and masturbate to porn as much as you want.
Bye bye!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9bcd69bedd7f68000002Its all about meThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:00:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9bcd69bedd7f68000002
Well, you can always leave; Canada sounds nice. Oh shucks, they have universal healthcare as well. I guess you are stuck, third world countries are still taking in new comers. Stop complaining and do the United States a favor, support the President or get the bleap out. If you and your airheads friends thought things were great when Bush was in office, guess what, you will be find while Obama is there; get use to it. FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! I can't wait to celebrate.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9ba3ecad045044000002Ordained ExtortionThu, 28 Jun 2012 14:00:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9ba3ecad045044000002
God Bless Blackmailhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9b82ecad042f40000019Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:59:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9b82ecad042f40000019
It is good to see that Roberts and the Court came up with the right decision. Unfortunately it did it for the wrong reasons - it wasn't because it was a "tax", it was pure laziness on their part. Did they want to open the floodgate to countless lawsuits from idiots who think that they shouldn't have to pay for "other people's insurance" only to discover that they will be paying LESS in the long run?
The biggest problem with the current legislation is that it gave Insurance companies a window to rob us all. Unfortunately, Obama should have demanded that Insurance prices be locked at a pre-set level and that everyone should be given the right to affordable care. That means EVERYONE wins -- from the idiots who think that healthcare is a privilege for the wealthy and the healthy as well as the person who's poor and needs a hand.
It saddens me greatly when I see posters on here cry about how they feel like they have been taxed. You haven't been taxed - you have been told that we are a unified people and when the time comes when YOU need help, In case you haven't been to the hospital lately, trust me - it's insanely expensive. A simple operation can easily bankrupt you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99fc69bedd4260000007Its all about meThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:53:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99fc69bedd4260000007
And why is that a problem, you are free you darn jerk? Don't want to serve and not want to help those that are serving.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99ac6bb3f7a46a000009Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:51:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99ac6bb3f7a46a000009
Roberts never said it was a tax. It's a goo thing that Roberts actually understands that if he struck it down, it would have guaranteed the fact that the Supreme Court has been bought and paid for by idiots like you who think that insurance is a luxury.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99a7ecad042f40000006Its all about meThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:51:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec99a7ecad042f40000006
And why is that a problem, you are free you darn jerk? Don't want to serve and not want to help those that are serving.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9970eab8ea186e00000aBarrack "I'm a Lying Corrupt Hypocrite!" ObamaThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:50:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9970eab8ea186e00000a
Try Again Douche Bag.......Watch your boy go down in Flames.....this just proves how mucg of a Liar Obaka is.....Remember his promise "I WILL NOT RAISE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS......Poof another Obama LIE Obama JUST TAXED EVERYONE! Your just too stupid to look beyond what MSNBC tell you to .....your boy is TOAST deal with it Slackerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec993d6bb3f7c36a000002Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:49:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec993d6bb3f7c36a000002
You're kidding right? How do you equate one thing with another? Maybe we should allow you to make that choice to be insured so when you get into a life threatening situation we can watch you die. After all, it's your choice right?
Don't come crying to us if you want help - surgery is expensive nowadays and if you have the money to pay six to seven figures for an operation go for it. I doubt you do.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec988fecad04e33b000014Tim WoodsThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:46:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec988fecad04e33b000014
Try again Sparky. Romney passed the same legislation in Massachusetts while he was governor and it passed the constitutional smell test there. Obama passed the same legislation.
Roberts did this purely out of laziness because if he struck it down here, it would cause a major shockwave throughout the nation primarily Massachusetts where it would be attacked there and so forth.
If you think this helps Romney or the Tea Party in any way shape or form, you're deluding yourself. All Obama now has to do during any presidential debate is say "Thank you Mitt for providing me this gift. What exactly do you have to show for yourself now other than empty promises and more tax cuts for the rich?"
Obama landslide 2012 - deal with it!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec95936bb3f77a64000002Robert BobsonThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:34:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec95936bb3f77a64000002
Dude, if you don't work by choice, you're a jerk.
Either way, you're going to get sick and if you don't have health insurance, I'm gonna be forced to pay for you. Guess how I feel about that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec94db69beddde51000014Robert BobsonThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:31:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec94db69beddde51000014
Correct. Health care is not broccoli. To think that people won't partake in it at some point is an illusion. I like making jerks who think they're immortal pay for what they WILL be using at some point in their life. I'm not going to tell some guy who gets cancer at 40 to go sit in a corner and die just because he wanted to exercise his constitutional 'right to not have health care.' I am going to be forced to pay for him. It's just a reality and I'd prefer he paid his own share from the beginning.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec946c6bb3f74960000006Nice FearmongeringThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:29:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec946c6bb3f74960000006
Let's fight those battles when they emerge. You pose interesting hypotheticals but they're not really issues on the agenda anytime in the future, so let's relegate them to the dust bin where they belong. Next!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93c769bedd144f00000bPoorGuy36Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:26:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93c769bedd144f00000b
Free heath care to all Americans!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93b1ecad04aa35000001SlidingScaleThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:26:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93b1ecad04aa35000001
Just as God commands in the Bible for tithing to the church, those who earn less will pay less.
Seems pretty fair?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93916bb3f7df5d00000fCommon SenseThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:25:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec93916bb3f7df5d00000f
Keep your common sense to yourself. People have strong, irrational feelings about this issue - don't deprive them of their need to spew their hate everywhere. It's their constitutional right!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9367eab8ea6361000007Anthony B. SandersThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:24:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec9367eab8ea6361000007
Thanks Dread Pirate Roberts. Look at Obamacare taxes. Taxes ARE the mandate.
<a href="http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/imf-to-discuss-greece-re-negotiating-debt-france-and-us-should-pay-close-attention-particularly-after-supreme-court-upholds-obamacare/" target="_blank">http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/imf-to-discuss-greece-re-negotiating-debt-france-and-us-should-pay-close-attention-particularly-after-supreme-court-upholds-obamacare/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec929ceab8ea265c00000cRobert BobsonThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:21:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec929ceab8ea265c00000c
Read the ruling. He didn't specifically say it's a tax. He said it could have also been a tax so no difference to vote.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec924e6bb3f7db5900000cRobert BobsonThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:20:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec924e6bb3f7db5900000c
To be clear, the ruling does not explicitly say this is a tax.
It reads more as 'It could have also been a tax so who cares?'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec91bdeab8eafa5b00000aSimplyEconomicsThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:17:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec91bdeab8eafa5b00000a
Its amazing that 99.9% of the public or congress have NOT read the entire act. The USA is over, now its a matter of just surviving or LEAVING THE COUNTRY..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec914b69bedd074c000005Doctors Flee The CountryThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:15:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec914b69bedd074c000005
This is one headline you will never hear as no other country pays the outrageous prices the doctor lobbyists been able to extort over many decades.
The doctors became doctors for the money. Now backed into a corner they fought desperately to keep the 19% of GDP from citizens.
*** Not anymore ***
Who wants free open markets? Capitalism with competition?
None of this exists in American health care marketplace.
Our Supreme Court ruled correctly, as a great many wrongs can now be corrected.
Until now!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec90fa6bb3f79d59000014DaveKThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:14:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec90fa6bb3f79d59000014
Let's start taxing Blogs like Business Insider toohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec90646bb3f7bd59000003explain thisThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:12:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec90646bb3f7bd59000003
Surely, if you believe in the market, there will be something called 'competition'. If there is no competition, then we are back to square one and socialism again.
My point is you cannot argue for a bank bailout and then not argue for sick man's bailout. It is just not a moral position of integrity and does not stack up.
Perhaps this whole affair needs to be viewed as a social trade off?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8fd569bedd6746000010SkySavageThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:09:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8fd569bedd6746000010
I think Roberts chose this path with a very specific intention. First, he single-handedly managed to restrict Congressional over-reach under the Commerce Clause, while explicitly defining the ACA clearly as a tax. This new "tax" (which you will be hearing ALOT about from the Repubs in coming weeks) will overwhelmingly hit the middle and lower income groups, most of whom will not be eligible for even expanded Medicaid, and who are must less likely to have insurance than the wealthier segment of the population (all of whom have insurance through work and will be basically unaffected by the "tax"). Particularly hard-hit of course will be the younger segment of the working population, many of whom chose not to have insurance because they are healthy, and most of whom voted solidly for Obama in the past election. Second, and equally as important, he managed to throw the issue back to the polical arena, where it belongs, and keep the SCOTUS' reputation as being "above politics" intact. All in all, a brilliant decision, and one which will be ultimately remembered as demonstrating his conservative bona fides (and as one which will ultimately be a net negative to Obama).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8f426bb3f79b59000005JayJKThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:07:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8f426bb3f79b59000005
You are fined if you don't file tax returns when the law requires you to do, and that is exactly the kind of tax levied on you if you don't do anything, and there are probably many other examples of federal government taxing you via fines for things you don't do. What Justice Roberts has decided is while the federal government cannot order you to do things like get a health insurance, it certainly can tax you for something you refuse to do. In other words, federal government cannot prosecute you for not getting insurance (state government has that power), it can stick you with some form of tax.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8ea36bb3f76f55000006Tax Dodgers Flee To CanadaThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:04:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8ea36bb3f76f55000006
Soon to be in the headlines!
Of course Canada like every other western country already has national health care with much lower prices.
Maybe the extremists will wake up when their employee dumps them onto national health care. Here the dictatorships don't allow for debate. Can you tell a sick person they are sick?
So why not work to bring costs down? Lets start by paying doctors a salary.
What a wonderful day. Now if only Wall St could be reigned in we might have a change for a better country!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8ea26bb3f77755000016GeorgeThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:04:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8ea26bb3f77755000016
Quick lesson in economics. The mighty corporation convinces the people (including government) that they should cut taxes. Result: taxes cut. Result: no money for roads, bridges, schools, and other infrastructure. Private corporations step in and say: "Hey, there is a reason for this: socialist economics. Watch private money do it. So, people, give us the money and watch us do it." Corporations rape the people but the people are happy because they pay less taxes and they don't have that evil socialist name attached to them. And, if you cannot afford healthcare then its your fault because you did not plan well. And, if the tuition debt is up to a trillion then that is too bad as well because the government mismanaged the job market. People, you have been duped. Remember the basics: one of them is health and another is food and another is shelter. Watch out for people trying to sell you this other nonsense while they are getting that fat government contract.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8e85ecad04122d000023agingcynicThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:04:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8e85ecad04122d000023
I having a hard time with being accused of irresponsibility because I don't want to partially pay for your husband's motorcycles injuries. That is my "FAIR SHARE"? I'll tell you what is fair: I never rode motorcycles because of the injuries my friends had on them that put them in wheelchairs. Now my prudent decision is "unfair"? I have a feeling you just want my checkbook and will let me know when you have written checks for a "fair" amount.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8e27ecad04e72c000002naroThu, 28 Jun 2012 13:02:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8e27ecad04e72c000002
Sorry but Roberts is NOT SANE. He has suffered from many seizures in the past and one of them has damaged his brain.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8c576bb3f70451000023Barrack "I'm a Lying Corrupt Hypocrite!" ObamaThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:54:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8c576bb3f70451000023
Because he is a Genius..he saw that mitt was behind in the polls and knew by doing this it would galvanize Republicans the Tea Party and Independents to make sure Obama is booted out and this pathetic law is repealed and Mitt becomes the hero...Pure Genius Roberts.... watch the polls next few weeks as Romey starts taking the lead......http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8c086bb3f73051000002Republican RedneckThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:53:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8c086bb3f73051000002
I agree completely, man. I couldn't care less if the average Joe on the street dies from cancer or heart disease, as long as I can buy my second sports car or 65" OLED screen.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8b5a69bedd863d000001Deep ThoughtsThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:50:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8b5a69bedd863d000001
Interesting point. But where does it end?
Do we now tax "fat people" because they are more likely to have medical issues?
Do we now tax "stupid people" because they are more likely to be unemployable?
Do we now tax "lazy people" because they are likely to need welfare?
I'm not sure actually. Maybe it is best to let the uninsured, irresponsible motorcycle victim die. That "message" would pretty quickly encourage most, not all but most, to do the right thing without a 3000 page overhall of 17% of the US economy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8a5b6bb3f7614c000020JasonTThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:46:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec8a5b6bb3f7614c000020
Roberts says its a tax.
Obama says its not a tax.
Which one is lying?
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/obama-mandate-is-not-a-tax/" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/obama-mandate-is-not-a-tax/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec888569beddb633000009indyfromazThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:38:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec888569beddb633000009
So what was Justice Roberts smoking? Is the "medical marijuana" in the Justice's chambers?
The Tax that wasn't a Tax is now a tax and Commerce is not Commerce but a Tax.
Hope you will remember fondly with nostalgia that now vanquished concept called FREEDOM. It was a quaint nothing while it lasted.
Future generations will look upon it with puzzlement completely unable to understand the concept. It will be like a Roman trying to understand an airplane.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec87ee6bb3f72948000006Lucius ModernusThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:35:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec87ee6bb3f72948000006
cry me a river. pay your tax. move on...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec87b76bb3f7324a000006naroThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:35:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec87b76bb3f7324a000006
The problem with your fantasy is that those individuals who come to the ER without insurance will NOT be buying insurance regardless of government regulations. They will ignore the law, and there is no way to enforce it. The new law is a boondoggle to the private insurance companies who will collect enormous government subsidies. The premiums for us will go through the roof. {the insurance companies wrote the law and will be the beneficiary}http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec86e469bedd7431000004GloriaThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:31:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec86e469bedd7431000004
My husband is in a wheelchair for 30 years due to a motorcycle accident, but he is the healthiest man I know in every other respect. Because of his precondition we have been charged $800. a month for healthcare. We are thrilled to finally see something that stands up to big insurance corps. We are NOT being taxed if we buy healthcare, only if we do NOT! Just understand the general public is paying for that persons healthcare so why shouldn't he pay a tax so we can pay his bill? There are so many people in this country that are irresponsible and this just makes them responsible for their own health. It doesn't punish people with pre existing conditions. GET OVER TAXING PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec82836bb3f77b3f000015jdam1Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:12:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec82836bb3f77b3f000015
watch the more future tax money bailing out this failing OBAMA CARE, just like tax bailing out THE POST OFFICE.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec80f6ecad04521100001bConWinThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:06:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec80f6ecad04521100001b
Conservatives should be rejoicing everywhere. At least those that are guided by logical and not by emotion. Why? Requiring that US citizens have health coverage does away with health care well fare. This isbest explained by an example. If a young, healthy 26 year old elects to not have health coverage and is administered into the ER after a motorcycle accident, we have two choices. One would be to let him die and honor his wish not to have health care. But is there really even a choice here? Of course not. Because Americans don't needlessly let others die. So we take the other choice and provide health care despite his lack of coverage. And guess who foots the bill? The rest of us who actually pay for insurance. We're providing well fare for those who elect not to have health coverage. Clearly that's not fair and any true Conservative would recognize thishttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec80476bb3f7763b000002explain thisThu, 28 Jun 2012 12:03:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec80476bb3f7763b000002
It strikes me that the same people who call for a banking bailout and the nationization of debt are the ones who oppose the new healthcare plan, which does precisely that, bailing out the sick and nationalizing healthcare.
Maybe it's time to stop u-turning so quickly and start thinking again?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7ec6ecad04660e000007Fuck ObamaThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:56:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7ec6ecad04660e000007
Freedom was nice while it lasted.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e99ecad041c0c000016MilitaryThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:56:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e99ecad041c0c000016
Don't forget the American military, the greatest social programme in the history of the world. Millions of American soldiers on the government payroll.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e8b6bb3f71739000004naroThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:55:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e8b6bb3f71739000004
ROBERTS IS A CRAZY EPILEPTIC WITH BRAIN DAMAGE who is ON MEDICATIONS. He should be removed from the SC. He should never been appointed to the SC (By BUSH THE DOUCHE)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e32eab8eae52e00000dA. FriendThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:54:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7e32eab8eae52e00000d
Let me get this straight. Conservatives get one of theirs on 'The Court' & WHEN a ruling doesn't go their way they're ready to throw the guy under a bus. This guy is one of the brightest constitutional minds out there & he has weighed in. Accept the vote, find a way to make it work, and stop complaining.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7ad7eab8ea5f2400000dNational Health SocialistThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:40:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7ad7eab8ea5f2400000d
America is the biggest socialist nation out there right now. When you run out of money, you just print more of your own and spread the burden cross society. The Eurozone nations on the other hand need to go to the market and borrow at market rate.
Why not do the same with healthcare? Spread it across society! You should be familiar with the concept, you derivative gambling socialists.
Privatize profits, nationalize losses? My @rse!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec790d6bb3f7572c00000cI'm from the government and I'm here to helpThu, 28 Jun 2012 11:32:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec790d6bb3f7572c00000c
Let me paraphrase this ruling for you all:
"in the future, when congress wishes to raise taxes, it must simply mandate X. Should you choose not to do X, then you MUST PAY Y."
We are screwed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7869eab8eaa621000001Omni737Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:29:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec7869eab8eaa621000001
So let me get this straight. We are taxed on things we do and now we are taxed if we don't do anything?
What's next, a TAX if we don't work? So they they can get us working and not working.
R.I.P. USA 2012. It is almost officially over for this country.