The Telegraph

You may remember that I did a story on the State Child Snatchers a little while ago which included a piece about Ian Joseph, a Monaco based businessman who for years has been helping parents – who have the SS on their backs – flee the country.

Now, in the very same article I also wrote about a couple whom I personally know who had fled to Ireland to stop the English Social Services stealing their baby.

And through my association with them, I have been privy to the way that the English State Child Snatchers operate.

You see, what has become abundantly clear is the malicious & vindictive way that the English Social Services have continually tried to influence the Irish Social Services decisions in relation to my friends case… Indeed, the evil bastards really do not like anyone escaping their clutches once they have half a hold on your child.

That fact is reinforced in the article below, where thankfully the English child snatchers were foiled on this occasion, when a mother-to-be had no choice but to flee the country to prevent the evil arsewipes from snatching her unborn baby.

This brave lady who I was speaking to yesterday initially fled to France where she found the French SS far more relaxed and fair.

So fair in fact that despite the English SS trying their best to throw a spanner in the works, a French judge allowed her to keep her baby.

However, she – I will call her K for now – has since moved from France to Ireland, yet despite K being judged worthy of keeping her baby, she still not dare bring her back to England since there is little doubt that the Bedford SS will snatch her baby if she does… This madness has to stop.

That fact means that the little girl has to stay in Ireland when K returns to England to see her other two children, who live with their grandma – a situation that really should not exist.

Never the less, the important thing is that her extreme course of action has allowed her to keep her baby.

Therefore, if any mothers-to-be who find themselves in the same boat as K and are also contemplating doing a runner, I am sure that she will be happy to offer advice and answer any questions that you may have.

You can e-mail me at sp-iv@hotmail.co.uk and I will happily pass your questions on.

French judges foil social workers who were out to take mother’s baby

Why is it that, when innocent parents flee abroad with their children, social workers will stop at nothing to bring them back?

On November 9, I reported the story of yet another pregnant mother who had fled abroad with her partner – this time to France – to prevent her baby being seized by social workers because she had formerly been in an “abusive relationship”.

Bedford council’s social workers called in Interpol (which claims that its duty is only to “fight crime”) to track the couple down. No sooner was the baby born in a French hospital than the mother’s room filled with 10 policemen. They showed her a paper painting her in a ludicrously damning light as a “threat to the baby”, and local social workers removed the child to an orphanage 30 miles away, to lie in a roomful of cots containing a dozen other babies.

At least the French social workers allowed the parents to see their new daughter several times a week, while a junior French judge, clearly nonplussed by Bedford’s demands that the child be returned to England, referred the case to a higher court. Bedford’s social workers sent over more damning documents, including a psychiatrist’s report alleging that the mother suffered from a “personality disorder” and posed a serious threat to her child. The French social workers, “totally different” from those the couple had dealt with in England, were shocked to hear from Bedford that they already had an adoptive home lined up for the child, and asked a French psychiatrist to carry out a full assessment of the mother.

On Thursday morning I had two messages, from the parents and their British solicitors, Brendan Fleming, to say that three French judges had rejected all of Bedford’s evidence. They agreed with the French psychiatrist that there was nothing wrong with the mother; that she posed no risk of “physical or emotional harm” to her baby; and that the parents had shown that they and the child had managed to establish a “close and affectionate bond”. Their baby must therefore be given back to them immediately.

I spoke to the parents on Thursday night, when they were overjoyed to have their daughter back. The father already has a job with his aunt who runs a lettings business throughout France, and they will soon move to be near her in the Dordogne, to start a new life.

But yet again this story raises the old question: why is it that, when innocent parents flee abroad in this way, our social workers seem to stop at nothing to bring their children back to England? As the French judges also ruled in this case, such an action would have been in breach of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, guaranteeing the right of families to be protected against unwarranted interference by the state.

Why is this article so often used to protect convicted criminals from imprisonment or deportation, when social workers can happily ignore it every day of the week?

72 Comments

glyn morganSeptember 7, 2014 @ 7:02 pm

having seen first hand how ss work and the criminal dr’s who write so called independent reports for the courts, this has to stop! the situation I witnessed was a young couple with a 10 day old baby went to the local hospital for him to have his scheduled check over with a dr, after bringing him home they noticed he was a bit grissly but put it down to a sniffle he had, after a few hours they noticed he was getting worse, being new parents they took him to a and e where he was diagnosed with a broken thigh bone!! within an hour he was taken away and they were arrested, the police later let them go and later found there was no case to answer! social services managed at first to keep him within the family as the mothers mother was a qualified and highly respected foster mum of over 20 yrs experience the social services found the mother guilty by using facts by findings, when it got to court the baby’s nan was told to either go along with proceedings and not question the original dr who examined him and to say under oath that she believed her daughter or partner were responsible or she would lose contact and he would be put up for adoption, they weren’t happy when she turned up in court with a barrister though, this has dragged on for over a year now, why do these people think they have a right to play god with peoples lives? just sayin’

kim breheneySeptember 7, 2014 @ 7:05 pm

They need 2 swing at the end of a rope along with the Paedo Politicians. The EVIL being done 2 the kids of this Country is truly shocking. It is the one thing that makes my blood boil. I so want for us 2 revolt against these evil corrupt child abusers/killers. We r letting the children down so badly by knowing about this but, doing fck all. This is the best way 2 bring down Government, we can surely remove them on the basis that their infested with perverts.

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:16 pm

I’d like to see that satanic cunt B-liar decorate a lampost first……the rest can follow. Hopefully the little furry animal will be released from Mandeslimes smelly orifice before they string that cunt up…………..

Social services don’t help real needy damaged children unless extreme circumstances dictate. My neighbour was an extreme boozer, vodka in her morning orange, she beat her middle child til the poor soul developed a stutter, she put food back in high cupboards after her hubby left the house for work and the neighbours were left with the task of collecting them from school while she was passed out, their dad wanted nothing to do with them when he was at work so the neighbours also fed and cleaned them, by the time she was so far gone social services personally told me that sleeping on filthy lice ridden mattresses, dripping headlice on their school chums and being covered in scabies and starved was a life style choice. She was reported regularly and every single damn time the kids were considered at risk but ok. In my experience they only want undamaged ones they can re-home like good puppies and collect a bonus from our wicked sick rotten to the core Government, If your child is pretty, well behaved and undamaged watch your family carefully people, don’t do anything to risk them. They tried it on us a number of times and I am so bloody grateful for the support we had in place. My heart still goes out to all decent parents and social workers trying to stay afloat in the cesspool that is society now. And I am very grateful mine are all grown up, because it has taken nearly every ounce I had. I am still not sure what to make of the whole Ashya trip, I am really puzzled. I twigged this weekend though that Scotland will vote no for sure, its been another one of them distractions hasn’t it, they overdid it this morning with guards on the border shite, I laughed out loud at that, too too much MSM, really. WWIII round the corner and not too far. Please let me just get out of this madcap circus of nut job politicians and celebrity fuck alls. Sorry rant off. I went shopping in Staines today, needed a new collar for the Nuella dog and some mossie repellent Xmas was all over the show and people had that pre season of goodwill psychopathic glint in their eye at the tills in two shops. Parking was at a premium too so going home was sweet

louiseSeptember 7, 2014 @ 7:55 pm

Hi Lindzi-Yes 100% agreed if you’re a good parent and look after your children you appear to be more at risk to loosing your children to the evil scum of the SS and SECRET COURTS.Yet how many times we hear of tragedies where children have been so neglected and abused to the point where some lose their little lives?-or even so Mentally and Physically damaged beyond repair.Even when these unfortunate youngsters are reported to the Authorities-nothing is done to alleviate their suffering-(Baby P just one example).These inquests they ‘stage’ are full of shit ‘It’ll never happen again’-But it does time and time again-one excuse being ‘They’ve not got enough funds’-which you know as well as i do that’s Bullshit.They’ve always got enough in the pot if they want to take any parent to their ‘CORRUPT SECRET COURTS’ though!! The whole shower of Paedo Shite Scum make me want to Puke-And forced Adoptions bring in Big Big Bucks as well-it’s all just a big money-making Scam…….TC Louise xx

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:18 pm

You just have to revisit the ‘baby peter’ sadness to confirm what you are saying………..

raine1September 8, 2014 @ 5:46 pm

Wiggins ‘revisit the baby Peter sadness……..’

Hi Wiggins. Yes you are right…who could EVER forget that terrible case? Wiggins I happen to know that there has been a government orchestrated agenda going on here for DECADES in which social services have been deliberately over-stretched to almost breaking point. For example, one social worker might have about two or three HUNDRED cases she (or he) is responsible for. Of course this means that on occasion, the over-worked and physically and mentally exhausted social worker is going to made a mistake…and a child will die in terrible circumstances. This is when the Rothschild-owned ‘newspapers’ jump up and down screaming that social services have to come down HARDER in such cases, and that they must be given more powers to remove vulnerable children from their homes…….are you seeing the bigger picture here? And of course over the decades, government lackeys have been put in to senior positions of management within social services so that all the decent social workers are filtered out and basically gotten rid of or over-worked to the point where they have to leave because they are so ill and exhausted. And guess who was behind the new rules some years ago that gave social workers more powers? Margaret Hodge Oppenheimer…the creature who was the leader of Islington council some years ago and DELIBERATELY tried to cover up the fact that all of Islington’s kids homes were being run by paedos who were raping and prostituting the kids in their ‘care.’ tc, lorraine x

BabsSeptember 7, 2014 @ 7:53 pm

That Ian Joseph guy is a modern day hero I went to his website and he offers mothers to pay for their phone calls even on a mobile to Monaco so he can help them and that’s just the beginning of what he can do to make a difference.

I started researching this Forced Adoption and couldn’t believe my eyes at what I was seeing, it really is beyond belief and feels like we are living in a nightmare world.

On FB there are quite a few groups of mums and dads now and it is heartbreaking to read their stories. I read of one girl who was a VICTIM of domestic violence and even though the partner had never touched the child they took her baby away from HER!!! He then moved onto another partner and they took the baby off the next girl too!!!

We really have to DO something but what? I feel so helpless sitting here getting angry and bashing away at my keyboard but that’s not going to help anybody is it? What can we do as a group? And not just us here I am sure we are all in plenty of these FB groups selling pages and the like and McCann groups with over 30,000 people in them and huge social networking groups. When the Ashya King went viral there were so many angry parents and grand-parents who realised the rights they thought they had over their own children didn’t exist. How best to harness this?

The only hope I have left in this world is that there are FAR MORE good, decent, honest people than there are of these evil, bad, sickening effing scum bags.

icit2September 7, 2014 @ 8:16 pm

OMFG what a farce the SS are, is it true that if you do not register your baby at birth,at all, then the SS have not got any power to take them away? knowing that now and what the SS are doing, especially with the innocent families, i would not have registered my kids, if everyone stuck together and don’t register their kids,what can the ptb do?

BabsSeptember 7, 2014 @ 8:16 pm

Here’s another red flag I read this week:

David Cameron is considering creating a child guardian scheme to protect vulnerable children in response to recent cases including that of cancer patient Ashya King and the Rotherham care scandal.

They will always pick on the weakest link (the kids) to cause grief and strife in a family situation. What fun would it be if they just picked on adults? None. They MUST go after the little kids to make it more fun, don’t cha know? Also it rakes in more and more money for the “caretakers” of the kids taken from the parents. The kids are nothing more than little sacks of money ripe for the taking. Over here it’s that way, too. SS workers call up places until they find somebody that needs another sack of money thrown at them. They don’t care about the kids….it’s the MONEY they give a shit about and the ultimate control over the adults.

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:23 pm

In this scum’s eyes….we are all chattels, no matter which age we are. I’m beginning to think I was born into fucking HELL..

JukeSeptember 7, 2014 @ 8:44 pm

I tried contacting a group that is working with Ian and others to help these families flee to Ireland as I wanted to link to Spivs’ site forum as a contact. They are reluctant to do so cause Mr Spivs’ focus is on too many topics and his bad language will perhaps hurt their cause as they have the MSM on their side! I tried! But anyone can search the the term ‘Social Services taking children’ and they will come across this site which offers help to those needing to flee.
Its totally diabolical that this illicit trade in children is going on!!
And whats interesting about Article 8 is that CAFCASS themselves state its is a ‘qualified’ right meaning they can interpret/apply it only to a point or fitting the case they are dealing with. This, from what my understanding of the intention of the act as set out by EU Convention of Human Rights is basically them playing semantics with the law as a means to an ends.
I intend to set up a help page in the forum asap but its take me a bit longer than Id hoped due to shit happening here. But anyone who wants any help regarding this, like how and what laws they are flaunting etc then email me at jukesmuse@gmail.com and I’ll try me best for you. Luv to all and never give up hope!!!!

DogmanSeptember 7, 2014 @ 9:46 pm

Last night I had an interesting chat to a determined and intelligent lady that is trying to safeguard her daughters welfares and she sent me this link:

http://ww w.barprobono.org.uk/pro_bono_protocol.html
(this is a free service and they need 3 weeks to assess a case before they can help and represent)
When we refer to Pro Bono Legal Work we mean legal advice or representation provided by lawyers to individuals and community groups who cannot afford to pay for that advice or representation and where public funding is not available.
Legal work is Pro Bono Legal Work only if it is free to the client, without payment to the lawyer or law firm (regardless of the outcome) and provided voluntarily either by the lawyer or his or her firm.
Pro Bono Legal Work is always only an adjunct to, and not a substitute for, a proper system of publicly funded legal services.

DogmanSeptember 7, 2014 @ 9:52 pm

I also got this info from her too:http://ww w.phrpl.org/contact-us (They have offices in London and Manchester)
Family Law
Offering Family Law advice to all of our service users. We have recruited legally trained experts who can provide advice and assistance in relation to all children matters, including care proceedings and Local Authority involvement. This means that we can provide legal advice to anyone seeking contact with their children, step-children, grand-children or even more distant relations. It may be that you want children in your family to live with you or it may be that you simply want some contact with them. Whatever your problem, we can provide advice and assistance on your next steps, including referrals to fully trained, professional mediators.

If you are concerned that your children are going to be removed from you by the Local Authority or a member of your family we can provide you with urgent advice and support. We have a legal aid contract which means that if people should be eligible, they will receive public funding for their cases and we are a registered “not for profit” charitable organisation which means that we will not be focussed on the financial implications of your legal problem but are more passionate about providing honest, friendly advice.

CHILDREN
“We are for People not for Profit”
Are Social Services involved with your family?
Are you worried about the safety of your children?
Are you seeking contact with children in your family?
Protection of Human Rights in Public Law now specialise in all aspects of Child Law under their new contract.

We are passionate about justice and we can promise that we will offer honest and expert advice, time, assistance and friendly support to those who choose to bring their problems to us. Our charitable setting strives for justice for each and every individual. Our “not for profit” ethos means that our experts definitely have the capacity to go the extra mile and beyond the call of duty in order to fight for your rights.

MeryajekSeptember 8, 2014 @ 1:29 am

Without wishing to diminish your posting, Jukes, I just wanted to clarify a point to which you referred.

It is the Council of Europe’s European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The Council of Europe (CoE), based entirely in Strasbourg, has nothing whatsoever to do with the European Union (EU). If you like, the Council of Europe is the European equivalent to the United Nations and is concerned solely with human rights and all that arise from those.

The ECHR is required to be ratified and adopted into all member countries’ legal systems. Interestingly, the UK government implemented the Convention into domestic legislation, in 1998, via the Human Rights Act (1998).

Although, at the time, Jack Straw went overboard to stress that the Act ‘mirrors’ the Convention, he conveniently forgot to explain why it is that Article 13 of the Convention is missing from the Act. Article 13 is arguably the single most important Article of the Convention since it gives the individual the right to redress (via the courts, tribunals etc) in the event that his convention rights have been violated by those acting in an official capacity.

You can see the ECHR at:

ww w.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

You can view the Human Rights Act (1998) at:

ww w.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

Can anyone find the missing Article 13 of the Convention in the Act because I can’t? Is it missing because ’13’ is unlucky or is it missing because the typist was crap and couldn’t count?

The result of it, as I see it, is that ‘they’ can violate our rights at will since we do not have a right enshrined in legislation to right that wrong. The only saving grace is that the ECHR is of higher legal standing and we should be able to rely upon it in the European Court of Human Rights. That can only be done after we have exhausted all domestic avenues by which time, of course, if we are male, we shall be sporting long white beards!

Oh, by the way…..Article 1 is also missing but it isn’t that important really and….a number of the Protocols have also not been inexplicably left out and, consequently, have not been ratified.

And this is the primary, governing convention of the European Court of Human Rights!!! Even the Court has tolerated knowingly that one of its members has incorrectly incorporated into its legal system such a fundamentally important instrument of human rights protection. You couldn’t make it up!

Why does nobody in the UK, with a couple of exceptions in Cornwall alone, show any interest in such a gross insult to our intelligence? I have raised this subject on more than one previous occasions and I cannot believe that it did not attract a single, solitary comment from members of this blog!

maryanneSeptember 8, 2014 @ 6:23 am

unfortunately people do not read let alone understand the laws by which we are abused thru legal gymnastics and gross perversions of justice…. the right to a family life its second only in importance to he right to life itself and you are correct that the human rights act enshrined echr all but the tool art 13 to provide checks and balances which in a true democracy we would no have to seek outside our own sovereign court system… it is appalling that the supreme court and the high court have all upheld perverse decisions against fundamental human family and childrens rights behind the closed doors of secret uk family courts while head of said supreme pile of family shit sir james munsby cries out in the media for transparency of his closed courts – fukin piss poor actors n perverters of justice….. n the masses believe whatever the mass media sells them…. beggars fukin belief n u couldnt make this shit up… the uk is a baby farm for child trafficking and no less…. fukin disgusting

maryanneSeptember 8, 2014 @ 6:37 am

folk don’t understand that if their human rights r breached in the uk by uk authorities they have to challenge an appeal at every level of judiciary and ask permission to appeal to a higher level which can b denied at any point i might add…. so only once past house of lords and unless you dont understand the leap frog procedure that may sometimes bypass… it will takes decades to get thru the uk system n attain permission if ever to the european court of human rights/wrongs – the whole system set up is a mockery and a sham – a shame for justice and the children’s future in general

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:29 pm

…..and to add to that Maryanne, the poxy lawyers (LIERS)…are in on the scandal.

louiseSeptember 7, 2014 @ 8:49 pm

BTW-Thanks for the update on the children of these vulnerable families and pleased they’re getting the assistance they so richly deserve-good luck and love to them all.It’s good to see that evil witch coffin dodger Lizzie has at last shown her true colours-good photo of her at the top of the page-how very apt……xx

Tony_OpmocSeptember 7, 2014 @ 8:55 pm

The band were so good today that I booked them for my 65th Birthday…and The Venue..The Management turned up Too.. (Of The Venue)

Was that You There Spivey???..Personally, I can’t tell the difference..

All Bald Headed Blokes with Tattoos look the Same to Me…

I was more interested in The Girls.

And I can’t sing or play guitar.

The band came from Essex….wtf are they doing over here?

Do you know them…??

They were REALLY GOOD

Tony

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:32 pm

That would be Depeche Mode then……glad you enjoyed it Tony….did you enjoy Poole?

JohnSeptember 7, 2014 @ 9:13 pm

Chris and team, you all do an excellent job and get the truth out and reading it makes me so F’ing angry. It pisses me right off also that the whole country is not down setting scaffold towers up along the Thames, dragging them cunts out and introducing them to a noose.

mikethecowSeptember 7, 2014 @ 9:18 pm

My niece (a totally competent and loving single parent) lost her 3 yr old for more than a year on the ‘abusive relationship’ stitch up.The piece of shit (absent, feckless criminal) Dad’s mother worked for Social Services and fully colluded in the whole sordid fiasco.

After a year in foster care the child was released to the primary care of the father-what a fucking joke.

Thankfully the twat’s malice against my niece couldn’t sustain the reality of full time parenting and the child (now 6) has been signed back to my niece as primary carer after years of pointless turmoil.

As Lindzi pointed out I know loads of junkie/alcoholic fuckups whose genuinely neglected and suffering kids will never be on the SS radar.

I never understood the truth about these bastards until they stole my niece’s child.

please please don’t fill in the birth certificate. This is crown property fill in the BC and your child will be owned by the crown fact and there’s nothing you can do about it.
get real see the illusion, wake up people.

wigginsSeptember 10, 2014 @ 7:01 pm

I wonder if the ‘Royals’ or the Rothshites have Berth Certificates? Just a thought…..

Roy CarterSeptember 8, 2014 @ 9:14 am

Roy.

My wife and I decided to ask for help with one our our twin daughters. She was going to court for shop lifting in our local high street. She had apparently be doing this for some time during her school dinner times, and this was after we had had a discussion with her year tutor who agreed to keep her on report and not allow her to leave the school premises. She had also been found wandering towards Bury St Edmunds when she should have been at school. We lost count of how many times we reported her missing to the local police when she would not return home at night. Our advice on these occasions was “they could do nothing until she had been missing for 24 hours.

When attending court I asked the magistrate for help regarding the different problems we were having with her. The magistrate sent her to an Assessment center for 6 weeks (finished up at 3 months). This center was just a school for delinquent juveniles, at Stowmarket. We were not very impressed with what we saw on our visits. At the end of this period we were asked to attend a meeting to discuss what would be the best for our daughter. All the “pros” would be there. We attended this meeting, were put in a room on our own and sat there until 17.00. We arrived for a 14.00 meeting. At this later time we were invited into a room where we thought we were going to have our discussion. All the “pros” had gone and we were told our daughter would be sent to a special boarding school for an undisclosed period. The decision being made by all the “pros” was as they had decided we did not love our daughter. She also had an SS officer appointed to her. This social worker told us the biggest load of shit and lies imaginable. Our daughter was going to a school where only girls who had parents who paid for their education, attended. They were very strict at this establishment and our daughter would have to make sure she placed her cutlery in the correct order at meal times blah blah blah.

Truth was she was placed in a corrupt accommodation run by 2 ex social workers in Stowmarket. Where she was groomed and sexually abused by these ex SS officers. We found out later that they were trying to groom her twin sister to join her via her having permission to have stopovers with her sister. This was by the local SS offices by way of listening to our second daughters lies in regarding to our chucking her out of our accommodion. We went to this local office as we believed this place in Stowmarket were trying to get another grant to have our second daughter placed in their power. We had a “discussion” with the manager of this local SS office whom was anti towards us but admitted a week or so later that our second daughter had been lying to him and that he was not going to allow her to “con” him anymore. Our “discussions” stopped this Stowmarket establishment from having another of our daughters living there.

Our daughter that was living at Stowmarket was made pregnant by the pervert who was running the place (ex social worker Mr Copperman) The social worker appointed to “advise and keep us informed” told us our daughter had been made pregnant by a boy friend she had run away with, to London. I believe this was to stall us while she was having an abortion (which my wife found out about a few years later).

At this time in our lives my wife said to me “Our family is being broken up”. How true these words were. And why? all because we asked for help from what we thought was a good British establishment.

I could write a book on our experiences over the years and have only touched on facts involved in this particular instance. Justice was done by another parent, she took a shotgun to both Ex social workers. They cannot do any more damage to our kids now.

What really gets me after all these years is the fact that no one has looked into what was going on in this place at Stowmarket. These 2 ex SS officers done so well out of public funds that within a few short years they purchase/rented a bigger and better establishment.
First one “The Rookery” second one “Four Elms” both in Stowmarket.

The “Observation and Assessment Center” my daughter was first sent to was shut down not too long after she was there. I wrote complaining of this place but got no reply.
My twin daughters at start of this shambles were 14 years of age. The SS did break up our family. We are now a couple of 74 year old farts with no one.

Best thing that can happen is a “Regime Change”.

WolfieSeptember 8, 2014 @ 9:36 am

Real sorry to read that Roy , although that doesn’t change anything or even help , one thing i would ask of anyone terminally ill is to request a meeting with there local MP and shoot the cunt , cant do much to someone who is dying but would sure as hell get rid of these scrounging , degenerate scum out of our lives , posted and allowed without the site owner knowing , all my own thoughts , that every so called MP should be fucking hung sooner than later , cunts one and all , POA , Legal Advisor to Tittsworth & Grabbe and Goodnight.

georgeSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:22 am

sweet

wigginsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:44 pm

It has gotta be the truth….

raine1September 9, 2014 @ 5:43 am

I would like it to be known that I also endorse what Wolfie has suggested: That any person who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness should ask for a meeting with his or her constituency MP and shoot the child-raping bastard. The plod and the courts can not do anything to a person who is dying and as Wolfie has pointed out, this would be an act of heroism from a person who is terminally ill…an opportunity to do something to end this HOLOCAUST that is happening to our nation’s children. Yes, HOLOCAUST. Our kids are being stolen by those corrupt monsters from social services and delivered to the likes of the royals, politicians, judges, police chiefs and the whole stinkin’ fuckin’ lot of them to be raped and murdered. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. And plod, if your freemason bosses instruct you to arrest me and Wolfie for inciting violence, I will say only this: You can arrest us, and you can even throw us in prison, but you won’t shut us up, you foul, treacherous, paedo-defending, slimeball, putrid cunts. lorraine

icit2September 8, 2014 @ 9:59 am

Roy & wife, Sorry to hear about your twins, no amount of words could express what you have experienced. x people across the world should unite together and for all the unjust causes that have & still being inflicted, Time is running out fast.

GallowsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:00 am

Roy I’m sorry to hear about that. There is nothing worse than taking advantage to people when they are most vulnerable. My thoughts go out to you and your wife.

Roy can i ask how you heard about this site please?

louiseSeptember 8, 2014 @ 3:33 pm

Hi Roy-May the both of you enjoy the rest of your years together-You must not feel guilty of what happened in the past with your twins as by your post it’s obvious you done all that was in your power to seek the right assistance- ‘Professional help’.Though at the time you thought this was the right advice-but found out this was not to be by the utterly shocking way you and your twins were treated.You’ve nothing on your conscience-Hope you find some well deserved happiness My thoughts are with you both Take care-much love Louise xx

BonnieSeptember 10, 2014 @ 3:48 pm

I am sorry Roy to hear your story. What happened to your family is horrific. I could write a book about my experiences too regarding having a sick daughter whom suffers from a complex syndrome. I have had a nightmare with the education welfare service. Also she had poor treatment from doctors which is ongoing. As she suffers from chronic pain she was prescribed painkillers by the consultant paediatrician. It turned out that these were over prescribed and my daughter suffered from a severe gastric ulcer which we only knew about when it burst one day and she was vomiting blood. We took her to A and E at the same hospital and the doctors thought that I had been giving her too many tablets which of course I put them right by showing them the repeat prescription and a few words. My daughter spent a week in hospital where she had to have an endoscopy, blood transfusions and medication to help fix the ulcer. The consultant paediatrician who caused this even had the cheek to visit my daughter’s bedside. My partner and I told her where to go. I never left her bedside because I couldn’t trust anyone and we took photos of the bags of blood used for the transfusions. It was a nightmare. My poor daughter has nightmares about this and it happened 3 years ago. Life has been a struggle. She eventually went to a local special education needs school where without parents knowledge our MP visited several times. Well he is on the Elm guesthouse list and I wanted help to complain about my daughters treatment but obviously I wouldn’t want him near my vulnerable daughter.

DogmanSeptember 10, 2014 @ 4:20 pm

Bonnie, sadly there are far too many stories like Roy’s and yours. I’d welcome any advice that people can give to help other people deal with “The System,” being posted on the forum. “The system” will only change when people pay special attention to it. We need to put “The System” under the microscope.
Take care Bonnie x

louiseSeptember 10, 2014 @ 9:52 pm

Dear Bonnie-What an awful experience for you all to have endured.When i was in hospital i was diagnosed with ulcers in the oesophagus which caused me to vomit blood which was diagnosed by an endoscopy.The hospital also tried to explain to me i was over-dosing on pain-killers which i know wasn’t true as i didn’t take any.Though they were worried i was anaemic they wanted me to have a blood transfusion-which i refused-but did agree to have an endoscopy-to which the following morning i signed myself out-though the Dr didn’t agree i said’ i wasn’t going to stay in that place a moment longer’.Any way after increasing my diet to iron enriched foods i gradually conquered the anaemia.I understand your predicament at the time where you thought it best to keep your daughter in Hospital-though you were right not to leave her side.Only these Doctors will tell you anything to panic you-‘If you don’t listen to them-you could be putting your’s or someone’s life at risk-which of course is bullshit-They tried that old yarn with me-but then again i’m that thick skinned i don’t give a shit.I believe a lot of these Ulcers are due to the food we eat and maybe vaccines could have an alterior motive as well-These quacks will tell you ANYTHING so you’ll comply.I’m not saying for one minute there arn’t good caring Doctors out there-but they all work for a CORRUPT system so they also fall into this foul stench of a trap as well-otherwise as we already know they lose their jobs and their pensions.Anyway Bonnie hope your daughter’s recovering from her ordeal and you’re coping ok-Your daughter obviously knows what loving caring parents she’s got which will advance her progress much better than any quack medicine!! TC Louise xx

BonnieSeptember 11, 2014 @ 11:28 am

Thanks Dogman and Louise for replying.
Because my daughter suffers from a complex syndrome which is life long unfortunately we have to see multi hospital specialists so we are still stuck in the system. However we did stop seeing the consultant who did overdose my daughter.
When the ulcer burst it was the most frightening time of my life. My daughter was left with a hole in her stomach and lost a lot of blood. At A&E she was given an anti sickness injection which caused her to have a seizure. She does suffer from epilepsy but this was something else. We had to stop the Dr from giving her a second shot!!!
My daughter was very pale and listless and we took staying at the hospital a day at a time.
We have always had thoughts of a threat that the SS is lingering in the background waiting for us to mess up. It also makes parents feel ill which we have to hide incase we are deemed unfit parents.

louiseSeptember 11, 2014 @ 1:14 pm

Hi Bonnie-I feel you need expert help from someone who knows the ‘system’ inside out-as you say the SS are on no help at all-Please don’t feel inadequate as parents-Do you have a log book on your daughter’s progress report?-this is to ensure you’re doing everything by the book-so the SS won’t be able to construde anything against you.If you haven’t got a log-book just go and buy a couple of exercise books and fill in date-time-what medication and progress on your daughter’s welfare-visits to the hospital etc-(you’ll also be able to back date this important information as well) and sign each one at the foot of the page with 2 witnesses signature’s as well-i’d get 2 if i were you as you need a duplicate copy.I’m only suggesting this as just to cover yourselves from the SS-In the meantime try and get some genuine help-If you google John Harris he’s an expert on common law-maybe you’ll find some useful information on this site-only we must do all we can to fight this evil’ system’-Chris-Dogman-Wolfie and the team will put you right as well.May love and luck follow you everywhere-TC Louise x

icit2September 8, 2014 @ 9:35 am

http: //www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/familyadvice/11051938/Under-family-friendly-Tories-yet-more-children-go-into-care.html ( I have put a space in hope its ok) Outragous 30,000 kids in one year taken by the SS in ENGLAND alone . . . .OMFG!. . . . FFS! . . . see above link, EVERYONE IN england and in any country who knows that this is an INJUSTICE to humanity and effects not only this generation but effects many,Imagine if it was YOU, I AM LIVID!

EmmaSeptember 8, 2014 @ 9:58 am

Babs – The child guardian scheme is already in place here in Scotland, its called GIRFEC – scares the living daylights out of me.

BabsSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:44 am

Yes Emma I read of that last week.

I just went to the shop and see queenie on the front of all the newspapers as she doesn’t want to be the last queen of Scotland. I would prefer it if we had no monarchy at all and she was the last queen forever and ever amen.

Now friends have it all over FB that Kate Middleton is having a second sprog. Another mouth for the taxpayers to feed.

JackalSeptember 8, 2014 @ 1:34 pm

I had my benefits stopped today. Probably to pay for the little darling. I bet if its another boy they will make a big deal of dressing it in georges old clothes to show they are being thrifty in austerty britain. I hope the scots get rid of them. Anytime I see a pic of the queen I can’t help thinking that she wouldn’t give a fuck if my mum froze to death in her flat this christmas. Why would she care, she will be nice and warm at Sandringham, waving the men off to slaughter defenceless animals. Keep waving those plastic flags fools!

chickenSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:46 pm

I hear you Jackal, had my benefits stopped the first time I signed in 20 years, fortunately they have reinstated it now yip woop 72 kwid a week, (minus bedroom tax and gas and electric of course) lets party! a couple of weeks a go I listened to a topic on the radio about scrimping and ways to cut costs and how second hand school uniforms could be made to look as new…. all I could think about was the cost of a boater hat for an Eton child….. bet I could have bought the whole kit n kaboodle for my child for that price and still had money left over for beans on toast for ma tea. xxx

louiseSeptember 11, 2014 @ 9:19 am

Same would have applied to you as well Chicken-would have shared meal with you if you had no money to buy food…..TC Louise xx

louiseSeptember 10, 2014 @ 10:05 pm

Hi Jackel-yeah the wankers stopped my money when i first came out of hospital a few year ago-i had the last laugh though after making app at job centre they reinstated it-and guess what they made a mistake and awarded me £350 instead of £144-hahahahaha-so Jackel i don’t know what to suggest-at a time like this hope you’ve got some good mates-because if you lived near me i’d gladly share a meal with you my friend…TC Louisexx

jimbobSeptember 8, 2014 @ 10:06 am

There certainly seems to be an overly zealous policy of removing kids from their natural environment and putting them in damaging, soul destroying surroundings. Clearly it is not in the childs best interest to do this, so one must ask why it is done . . . and why so eagerly. Is it purely for financial gain, so many people directly and indirectly making their livelihood from the situation. Who else stands to gain? ( apart from the obviously deviant types who are drawn to work closely with vulnerable kids) . So much double talk . . . Care Homes for the Elderly= old peoples prison. Care in the Community= totally washing hands of all responsibility. Child Protection Agency= Child Procurement Agency etc.
Just think the opposite of what they are calling themselves and you are going to be nearer the truth.

Question EverythingSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:22 am

O M G I just read there is another “royal” sprog on the way ….bet he never gets put into care! Oh they must keep there horrible brood reproducing eh………..

Chris, thanks yet again for another eye opening story, being a grandma I like to be kept informed. I keep putting input into my children’s minds regards thsi corrupt world we live in, sometimes they look at me as though I have two heads! but I wont give up, thanks again Chris, my HERO x

AnnieSeptember 8, 2014 @ 11:44 am

Talking of kids I see the good tidings of another baby for little Willie.That really cheered me up!
The ambulance for the transport of Ashya was turned around this morning in order to protect him having photos taken, which is of course right. I look forward to hearing what your conclusions are on that whole story. How I currently see it, is that they went against the NHS (the parents) and were bitterly punished for it and the countrys outpouring made Cameron and co. have to think again re damage limitation.
Its not just kids at risk, its the elderly in care homes. The staff are not paid enough and are over worked hence the horror stories of neglect. The providers, however get rich, well those at the tops of the workforce who pull the strings.
As for Scotland, its fed the yes vote is ahead in polls, I think its bs personally. Now the Queen has made it known albeit she is supposed to stay neutral, (fed to press) that she is against the independence, well of course she is, would lose some of her ill gotten power along with the cronies in Westminster. Its like we will never have a say on Europe either, another shambles that the people have had to endure without a say.

terrySeptember 8, 2014 @ 12:20 pm

Sorry to have to come on to this board Wolfie, being told when l try to log into the forum that my IP has been banned again. You know where my IP is situated perhaps its an oversight and you can sort it for me.
Thanking you in advance.
terry (Outoff)

Just a little link to Roys story.
I know there can never be a happy ending but when the nonces get shot thats as happy as it can get.
The mother got 18 months so she must have had the judge that was not a sex case.
I knew there was one somewhere.

http ://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/mail090788.jpg

Smash TVSeptember 8, 2014 @ 3:47 pm

Great link mate. Excellent example of a level headed woman if you ask me. Good riddance cunts!!!

raine1September 8, 2014 @ 4:37 pm

The ‘law’ actually belongs to the people-or the peasant as our ‘rulers’ like to call us. It does NOT belong to plod, or the government or the judiciary. The law is OURS by right. Therefore, when we the people feel that the law is AGAINST us, i.e. kidnapping our children for the purposes of rape and murder by the establishment, we have THE RIGHT to ‘take the law in to our own hands.’ This is NOT an act of anarchy…IT IS OUR RIGHT. This being so, we the people have a RIGHT to form our own army and TAKE BACK our rights to the law…we also have the right to conduct citizens arrests on those who we have good reason to believe are criminals (such as every baby raper in the govt. and royal family). lorraine

ps. In case plod are thinking about arresting me for ‘inciting’ acts of violence I advise you to first of all read the ‘Magna Carta’……….assuming you CAN read of course. And just so that you are in no doubt, let me tell you that like Chris I have no intention of keeping quiet and going to prison will not stop me. Some of us are prepared to die to stop this HOLOCAUST of our nation’s children…….so stick that up your arses you treacherous cunts!

Roy CarterSeptember 8, 2014 @ 5:28 pm

Thanks to Louise, icit2, Gallows and Wolfie for responding. This all took place around 1979 to the mid 80s. Gallows, I found Spive’s site by accident then cottoned on to this particular site via delving. And I have never regretted it.

What the fuck ! Understand this any SS fucken kidnappers: MY CHILDREN ARE MINE
You got that you evil fucken scum of the earth. MINE I tell you and if you come knocking at door you better have back up and lots of it. Fuck this shit makes me mad as a hell cat.

To Roy, so sorry to hear your story, that’s a story you should tell everyone you meet maybe if you have the energy you could do a blog. My girls twin girls are at that lovely age and it’s bloody tough but thank-you for sharing and reminding me most things can be sorted within the family . All the best x

P.s thanks again Chris and crew x

louiseSeptember 8, 2014 @ 8:21 pm

Just listened to Lou Collins radio show interviewing Danielle LeVerite (Chloe George) Worth a listen-recommend it……xx

A senior judge has just said this, which can be quoted at the police and SS etc:

“…it is a fundamental principle of family law in this jurisdiction that
responsibility for making decisions about a child rest with his parents. In most cases,
the parents are the best people to make decisions about a child and the State – whether
it be the court, or any other public authority – has no business interfering with the
exercise of parental responsibility unless the child is suffering or is likely to suffer
significant harm as a result of the care given to the child not being what it would be
reasonable to expect a parent to give.”

There’s a petition to free Melanie Sham (Whistleblowing witness and a victim of abuse at Beechwood Children’s Home) The link is http ://www.change.org/p/nottinghamshire-police-and-rt-hon-chris-grayling-free-melanie-shaw-You can also write to her-MELANIE SHAW A41260E.HMP PETERBROUGH SAVILLE ROAD WESTWOOD PETERBROUGH PE3 7PD-I’m sure she’d appreciate letters of support-if possible send a SAE if you want a reply…..xx

louiseSeptember 11, 2014 @ 4:20 pm

Sorry my mistake-It’s Melanie Shaw NOT Melanie Sham………xx

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