So I dug through the Wayback machine and finally found the old Bates blog. We have looked before and I'm not sure why we weren't able to find it. Wow, what a difference! One of the biggest things that stands out is that in the picture on top, Kelly is never holding a baby or even standing near a baby. They also bring up ATI and IBLP a lot.
Here are some of the Bates going to Romania with Gothard to try to save Gypsies. And there are some super awkward Zack's courtship pictures. Poor girl was clearly never really into him.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111206095054/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
This link tells how they gave Judson that name because they want him to be a soldier for Christ. The link also tells how the older partners(that was their word for buddy) were busy now, so she, at 10, "volunteered" to bathe, dress, and care for the small children.
Here are the Bates "recipes" that make Tater Tot Casserole sound good.
Pour canned beans over bread, put a sliced hot-dog on it and sprinkle on some cheese.
Put a scoop of mashed potatoes on a slice of bologna and sprinkle on some cheese.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101112160342/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
Zach goes to give a talk for IBLP and then Gil preaches about how rejection is conquered by realizing you have gifts.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101221071610/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/
Gil teaching at ATI's yearly conference. They don't even try to call it a "Family Conference".
https://web.archive.org/web/20110620171906/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
Zach proposing a courtship.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110710082032/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
Gil and Kelly drag a baby around the Grand Canyon with no hat and in only a onesie. Their poor parenting skills were discussed by Free Jinger at the time.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110721000848/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/
Carlin Josie and Katie doubt their salvation and get saved again.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110817061300/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog/
They spend Valentine's day at IBLP headquarters.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110220203649/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
Trace gets convicted of sin and is saved
https://web.archive.org/web/20110220203649/http://gilbatesfamily.com/blog
They campaign for Rick Santorum.

I know that Zach met Whitney when she was working at a fast food place, and she clearly wasn't raised ATI like he was and that she basically converted to his beliefs and lifestyle when they started "courting" and married. They've seen had a child and I can't help but wonder...
Will Whitney stick with the program do you think? I mean, the Bates (like the Duggars) have some pretty rigid ideas about what they see as appropriate and inappropriate, ie: convincing Whitney not to wear pants for instance and all the courting rules, and the whole "leaving it up to God" as to how many kids they have, not to mention the complete subservience of the wife to her Godly "head", ie: husband.
I can see how, if you meet someone and are really attracted to them, that you might be willing to change; and I don't know what Whitney's background is, but if she's from a troubled home, for instance, the idea of a big and loving family to feel a part of, might make it all even more appealing...as long as she follows the rules. Now maybe she has bought into it all completely and is 100% onboard and ready for the busload of kids and no bathing suits for the rest of her life, but I have to wonder if the appeal will lessen as her stress with having kids and having to stay within such rigid guidelines (as written by the Bates and ATI) will wear her down and make her previous freedoms seem better than she realized. Often having children of your own makes you want to go and do things with them that you did as a child and had fun doing as a kid, but I could see that conflicting with a lot of the Bates' belief system.
I heard that she and Zach kissed before marriage and she bent over backwards apologising for doing so to Gil and Kelly (despite it supposedly being THEIR courting rules that THEY (Whit and Zach) decided on). Apparently Whitney even went so far as to agree that it was not only wrong, but that she would no encourage it to anyone. It sounds like they are so scared to live their lives deviating from the ATI/Bates rules.
Maybe if they lived farther away, they could kind of relax and blend a bit more of a light fundy lifestyle with some stuff she grew up with. Alyssa is apparently wearing pants, so anything is possible! I just wonder...if Alyssa lived closer to home, would she still feel okay wearing pants? Is it only because she's far enough away now that she feels free to test a few things out for herself?
But back to Whitney...do you think she's bought into it all hook, line and sinker? Was she religious before marrying Zach? Does anyone know her background? Is she told Zach she couldn't handle those rules any longer and wanted to loosen things up, do you think he'd go along with her against his parents?

Zach Bates is supposed to have asked to court Jana prior to meeting his wife, Whitney. I'm guessing this was after his first courtship ended. Radar says Jana and Zach went on some chaperoned outings and he asked JB for permission to court Jana. Jana, however, was not interested in Zach and told her father no. Zach must have met Whitney soon after this.
Jana still has not found a man who interests her. I keep wondering if she actually does want to marry, or if she really is fine with staying single. Remaining single means her days of rearing children are numbered. Josie is five now, so in another few years Jana will be done. I recall JB and Michelle saying that by age 12 their children should be "finished" and able to act responsibly on their own. Of course, that still doesn't mean any of the children are ever treated as adults, no matter their ages, but by 12 the work of instilling values in the children should be done.

Zach and Whitney's baby boy is due in October. I don't remember exactly when, but the date 10/8 sticks out in my mind. I know they've named the little dude as well. Is it Bradley??
I'm guessing he'll come on 10/10, home birth that is relatively easy, will be 8#6oz, 19.5".

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-4kJNfGvWQQI/UrUGyxCU_3I/AAAAAAAAAp4/OA-fJ4Bm-2k/s1600/20131220_113052-1.jpg
So I registered an account JUST to post this.
On Zach's photos he posts on his blog, when his new bride's defraudulent boobs are touching him...he's usually wearing a NIKE! shirt.
I mean, really. What are the odds? It's like they want us to have grist for the FJ mill.
(And this is not a fluke- there are lots more like this)

There has been no further mention of Whitney Bates possibly being pregnang, since Erins' miscarriage was announced. Is the general concensus that Whit was, in fact, not pregnant? Or that she really is, but is having to keep it under wraps in order not to cause Erin more pain? Either way there has to be some sadness there.

I gather this wedding has already happened, and we're just Monday morning quarterbacking it.
Part 1 here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19921
Could someone with actual knowledge of this event post a quick summary, please?

I think its time for a new thread. If any one can come up with a better name for it, please do!
My predictions:
1. Gothard will not attend.
2. Entire Duggar clan may not attend, either. Perhaps only a vanful of the older kids? And Josh & Anna drive down from Maryland--in matching togs again.
3. Whit won't have a modesty panel sewn into her dress.
4. If the Duggars do attend, they will not perform.
5. Erin will play piano, however.
6. Alyssa will be courting by then.
7. Michael(a) will be a bridesmaid

So in the comments section, people have been asking Kelly about Zach and Whitney, which she responded back with "That's the topic of my next post". Well, a little research and I happened to stumble upon their possible wedding registry. It looks like they're getting married December 14th of this year. I don't get why her name already says "Bates"..did they already sign the marriage certificate? Oh well, we'll see whenever Kelly posts an update on them.
http://registry.theknot.com/weddingregi ... Name=Owens
Not breaking link since it's the wedding registry.

I'm sorry if someone already posted on this (I searched the forum but couldn't find anything). Anyways, I saw this comment from Kelly on their "Friends n' Fellowship" blog post:
Kelly July 10, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Dear Alexia,
Yes, Erin and Chad are courting! Andâ€¦..a new post coming soon about another recent courtship beginning! Love, Kelly
I wonder who it is??

I was looking at Duggars Without PIty today, and somebody had posted they'd asked the Bates on their website a couple of questions about Zack and Sarah courting, and all of the questions had been removed and not answered. I don't check out the Bates site very often, but has it been a long time since anything was mentioned about Zack and Sarah? Is it possible that the courtship is over? I wonder how their community feels about that, especially following the self righteous "Duggar Dating Rules" shows that the Duggars have shown when Josh and Anna were courting and got engaged. Has anybody heard anything else? Also, when is the Bates show going to air on TLC?