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Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by moe

It is all for propaganda. To the local Muslims Hamas are the hero's. The Muslim version of David and Goliath. Even if this current offensive were to kill all except 1 Hamas militant with in a month they would be back up to full strength because the younger Muslims see these militants as hero's for the struggle. Moe

This is a result of Hamas brainwashing that is being carried out in the schools in Gaza.

Hamas needs to be crushed out of existence.
Islamic Jihad needs to be crushed out of existence.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by SquareMelon

Ethnic cleansing and killing will not work. Israel will never be able to destroy Hamas militarily no matter what it does. The only solution is to end the occupation by Israel to Palestinian land and guarantee the security and safety of Israel in return. Even Hamas has indicated that it will accept that. The Palestinian people will force it to if they refuse simply by voting them out in the next election.

So rather than ethnic cleansing via Military force we do it through political means? We just all gather at the UN and decide ok the nation of Israel no longer exists and poof it is gone? Problem solved??

And then we should perhaps do like some Indians tribes in America used to do. When a person of the tribe was seen as no longer beneficial to the tribe they just pretended that person does not exist.

You could not not talk to them or acknowledge their existence in way shape or form. If they spoke to you, you pretended like nothing was there. Is this what you are saying that we should do with Israel?

We politically decide that they are stateless and if they refuse to leave Palestine we just pretend that they do not exist and let the Muslims move in and do what they wish with these non existent people?

You are aware that the Muslim definition of Palestine means every square inch of soil that Israel exists on today right? Not just certain areas. To them ALL of Israel is on Palestinian soil.

That is why no matter how much land Israel has given in the past the Muslims demand more. The objective is not to get part of it but to get all of it. Even if the state of Israel consisted of just one city block to the Militant Arabs that is one block to big.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by moe

So rather than ethnic cleansing via Military force we do it through political means? We just all gather at the UN and decide ok the nation of Israel no longer exists and poof it is gone? Problem solved??

And then we should perhaps do like some Indians tribes in America used to do. When a person of the tribe was seen as no longer beneficial to the tribe they just pretended that person does not exist.

You could not not talk to them or acknowledge their existence in way shape or form. If they spoke to you, you pretended like nothing was there. Is this what you are saying that we should do with Israel?

We politically decide that they are stateless and if they refuse to leave Palestine we just pretend that they do not exist and let the Muslims move in and do what they wish with these non existent people?

You are aware that the Muslim definition of Palestine means every square inch of soil that Israel exists on today right? Not just certain areas. To them ALL of Israel is on Palestinian soil.

That is why no matter how much land Israel has given in the past the Muslims demand more. The objective is not to get part of it but to get all of it. Even if the state of Israel consisted of just one city block to the Militant Arabs that is one block to big.

Moe

At this point, I think it is safe to say, the land Israel is to "give up" according to the arab states, is that for which Israel has illegally occupied for the last 41 years. I have to believe muslims will be okay with Israel's existance west of the Green Line.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

At this point, I think it is safe to say, the land Israel is to "give up" according to the arab states, is that for which Israel has illegally occupied for the last 41 years. I have to believe muslims will be okay with Israel's existance west of the Green Line.

Someone needs to throw a shoe at Rice and stop funding Israel until they receed back to said line.

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Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Someone needs to throw a shoe at Rice and stop funding Israel until they receed back to said line.

You're too nice!

I think the US, Russia and China all ought to donate a mechanized division each and drive the Israeli's back to Israel. Then set up a DMZ along the Green Line and shoot any mother-****er that enters from either side.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

This is a result of Israeli brutality and restriction of basic services in violation of IHL.

It seems like you are very unaware of the facts here. Israel's "brutality" happened due to the fact that for approximately 8 years israeli citizens in Sederot absorbed heavy fire of rockeets coming from Gaza. For eight years kids in Sederot have been hearing sirens every day, running in the streets looking for cover.

Now, the rockets ae improved and they reach up to 30 km from the gaza strip. Right now, as I write this message, I keep my ears open so I can hear if a siren will go off. It happened in my city twice already.

As for the lack basic services, Israel is supplying the civilians in Gaza with humanitarian aid of food, water and medicine. In fact, one day before the IDF began this operation, the Israeli government sent 40 trucks filled with humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

You're too nice!

I think the US, Russia and China all ought to donate a mechanized division each and drive the Israeli's back to Israel. Then set up a DMZ along the Green Line and shoot any mother-****er that enters from either side.

Just for your basic inrofmation, Israel is not interested in invading Gaza. Israel is interested in restoring peace to the cities around the Gaza strip, which suffers for 8 years from rockets shooting at them every day.

Besides, Israel have tried to give Gaza back to Egypt, but guess what? the Egyptians didn't want it back.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by lynnb

It seems like you are very unaware of the facts here. Israel's "brutality" happened due to the fact that for approximately 8 years israeli citizens in Sederot absorbed heavy fire of rockeets coming from Gaza. For eight years kids in Sederot have been hearing sirens every day, running in the streets looking for cover.

Now, the rockets ae improved and they reach up to 30 km from the gaza strip. Right now, as I write this message, I keep my ears open so I can hear if a siren will go off. It happened in my city twice already.

As for the lack basic services, Israel is supplying the civilians in Gaza with humanitarian aid of food, water and medicine. In fact, one day before the IDF began this operation, the Israeli government sent 40 trucks filled with humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip.

I realize this and applaud Israel's efforts in these areas. I am also against all these rocket attacks. But let me ask you, is Sederot a city west of the Green Line, or east of it? The single biggest problem between Israeli-Palestian relations, is the "occupation". This is a problem for which there is only one solution .... that is to end it. And you cannot tell me that Israel has not shut off basic services before in retaliation to these rockets. I think Israel has a right to defend itself, even in the OPT. But Israel does not have a right to take out vengence on the innocent Palestinian population.

Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I think the US, Russia and China all ought to donate a mechanized division each and drive the Israeli's back to Israel. Then set up a DMZ along the Green Line and shoot any mother-****er that enters from either side.

It is not in the United States', Russia's, or China's national interest to provide military assistance to a radical terrorist group that rejects a sovereign state's right to exist, deliberately and indiscriminately attacks civilians, and embraces a radical philosophy that rejects compromise. Furthermore, it is not in their interests to deprive Israel of its right of self-defense, especially when each of those countries has exercised self defense (U.S.: war in Afghanistan following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Russia's counterterrorism against Chechen terrorists responsible for the Beslan massacre, and China's fight against Islamist terrorists in its Xinjiang Province. Therefore, such assistance won't be forthcoming.