The KDE community, made up of developers and avid users, has a new project: the KDE Zine. Just a few short weeks ago, discussion about the possibilities of creating a print magazine cropped up on the KDE-promo mailing list. Today, the discussion has spawned its own mailing list, the beginnings of a Web site located at zine.kde.org, and a small group of volunteers who are busy working out myriad details involved in bringing a print publication to life. Here's your chance to get involved. More on Newsforge.

Remember that KDE doesn't have a figure head like the gnome project. That means it becomes even more important that we all get involved in kde's promotion. It doesn't take very long to right up a application review or an opinion article or something like that. So please get involved.

Remember that KDE doesn't have a figure head like the gnome[GNOME] project [Starting a sentence with "Remember" is not a good practice]. That means [that] it becomes even more important that we all get involved in kde[KDE]'s promotion. It doesn't take very long to [w]right up a[n] application review[,] or an opinion article[,] or something like that [Repeated 'or's that many times looks bad, also the sentence is more or less redundant, you should have said 'an article']. So please get involved[Starting a sentence with 'So' looks bad]. [Sentences are seperated with two spaces]

Hank, I must say that you've got a few things to learn yourself, when it comes to writing skills.

Starting a sentence with 'remember' is completely correct. There also was no need to insert a 'that' in the second sentence - too wordy. "right" should have been "write," not "wright" as you edited it. And, sentences are no longer separated by two spaces. The correct way is to use one space -- and you misspelled 'separated.'

So (it's ok to start a sentence with so, by the way) stop harassing the writers! :-)

Double spaces between sentences is a rule that hails back to the days of typewriters. Now that we all have computers, which are basically typesetting machines, one space is better, and while not universally accepted, it is quickly growing in acceptance. Adobe has done a pretty good job of explaining it:

Come on people, at least Craig is in their and trying to contribute, so what if he doesn't take the time to spell and grammer check his postings to a feedback forum. Given the incredibly poor grammer and spelling of most posts by most people, it's hardly worth ganging up on someone that is actually helping the cause. I'm sure whatever Craig writes for the Zine will be properly scrutinized for your protection. :)

Lack of a figure head to promote kde makes it that much more important for users to get involved in kde promotion. Have you noticed that the gnome project has been getting more press over the last 8 months or so? Its because they have a clear organization than kde. So as members that requires us to be more invoved.

Is there a good reason for this, or is this just something that hasn't been changed yet in a new project? I'd really like to browse for some details, but don't want to subscribe necessarily yet. Not a great way to promote interest.

> Suprisingly enough, apparently you cannot access
> them unless you are subscribed.

This is intentional. Subscriptions also have to be approved. The thought was that people should be able to express themselves freely, without regard to what employers/competitors/etc. might think.

I find this very positive. Editorial discussions should not be part of the public record at the risk of curtailing free and open debate. The dot editorial discussions aren't even archived, and this privacy has ensured a healthy level of debate that would never happen with a public archive.

> Editorial discussions should not be part of
> the public record at the risk of curtailing
> free and open debate. The dot editorial
> discussions aren't even archived, and this
> privacy has ensured a healthy level of debate
> that would never happen with a public archive.

I may be missing something, but I really have to disagree with your contention. I see no correlation between archives and restriction of speech. If one fears punishment from others, would one not simply post or email anonymously? My employer can read the dot whether or not archives are available, and I may be mistaken but I believe that the kde-zine mailing list is open as well.

Saying that the editorial discussions should not be part of the public record I also feel is wrong. Everything which happens in public decision making bodies in the U.S., be it Congress or Courts is put on open record for the examination of all. It is that way for a reason. Restricting access to archives simply adds an extra layer in attempting to access information on why decisions are made, and simply leads to the rehashing of old debates. Before posting to a list, I always look through archives for answers to questions or old and relevent debates. I don't think these things should go on in secret, in our open and community-driven system, unless it is absolutely necessary and beneficial. I don't really see where this is either.

I think its great that the creation of the promo-group is bringing results. I was quite surprised, though, that it would be a print-magazine. This brings me to a few questions:

Who is the target-audience? Surely not the coder, and probably not the avid-user, right?

If the KDE Zine will be available online, why would one buy a printed version? I think the only answer to that could be "Because reading all that stuff on your screen isn't fun", which of course requires a lot of content. The printed copy doesn't have any other advantages I could think of, seeing the online version would probably feature the whole archive of issues, forums etc...

Of course, that won't keep me from wishing you all the best in terms of success!

Well, i haven't gotten this one totally straight, and I broke my computer, so can't check my e-mail, BUT, to the best of my knowledge it will be packaged with another magazine... Much the way that Linux Journal occasinally comes with supplements... And it will must be a monthly publication, for people who don't scour the inernet for KDE news, to write about a new KDE release, a review of software... And "such"...