While I obviously see the point in restricting nudity, at least until such time as parental controls can be implemented, why would they restrict this to games only? I know that is *currently* the main focus of the Twitch network, but why not embrace some other subject matter, especially if it's engaging and driving viewership.

Eek. I hope for their sake that Sony updates that app to have parental controls. Otherwise I can imagine a PR nightmare when some kids do something stupid with it.

This is nothing new. People have been doing stupid stuff on Twitch for some time. A quick internet search will bring to some past follies. The difference is that it is now a wider audience with both the PS4 and eventually the Xbox ONE also allowing streaming.

Stupid has always been the norm otherwise in the Internet world. See YouTube!

This seems like a great opportunity for Sony to expand beyond twitch streaming to me. I'm sure a lot of folks want to share videos and things online and if the PS4 makes it dead easy, then why stop them. Let them do what they want. I thought Sony was also going to allow Ustream as well, that would be perfect for someone who wants to make their own show or stream their own content online with no hassle.

I understand why Twitch is doing what they are doing but it was obvious that this would happen and I just think instead of fighting the tide Sony should just go with the flow and allow their users to do what they want in an appropriate place.

Why do I feel sooner or later PS4/X1 will get viruses and certain pop-ups will appear with "Live Cam" ads. /joking

I have a feeling some of this could take a turn for the worse. I just see some kid leaving their PSEye/Kinect on while a game is running, but have their TV turned off thinking things are off. They go to change clothes and bam you've got a huge legal battle on your hands.

I can't remember but did the original Kinect blur nudity? I remember seeing a short video where some one had a model do a Kinect game in the buff and things were blurred. Can't remember if that was Kinect's doing or video editing (or both)?

I think it's incidents like this that make Nintendo's consoles a much more appealing concept to parents finding video game consoles. Not only are the better games E-rated, but there's far less dependence on online spaces (in which, anything horrible can happen)

Honestly though...c'mon. It's a device and service that connects to the internet, one that allows people to stream live video via an anonymous name to anyone in the world who can access the internet--there were bound to be dicks on it at some point.

Fun fact: you can read that last sentence literally or figuratively and it remains true!

Honestly though...c'mon. It's a device and service that connects to the internet, one that allows people to stream live video via an anonymous name to anyone in the world who can access the internet--there were bound to be dicks on it at some point.

Fun fact: you can read that last sentence literally or figuratively and it remains true!

Playroom adds robots to the equation, which lets face it just makes it better. Twitch of course doesen't want to become the unofficial PSN homegrown provider of choice but it sounds to me like there is market demand just waiting to be fulfilled.

While I obviously see the point in restricting nudity, at least until such time as parental controls can be implemented, why would they restrict this to games only? I know that is *currently* the main focus of the Twitch network, but why not embrace some other subject matter, especially if it's engaging and driving viewership.

Probably because Twitch.tv is a subsidiary Justin.tv created when they realized how heavily the gaming section of their general streaming site was being utilized. So they spun off Twitch to serve the huge gaming market they had, while Justin continued on with everything else.

So given that they specifically created Twitch for gaming in the first place, they probably don't want to dilute that. They'd basically be turning their spin off for gaming back into what they had in the first place, when what they had in the first place still exists.

While I obviously see the point in restricting nudity, at least until such time as parental controls can be implemented, why would they restrict this to games only? I know that is *currently* the main focus of the Twitch network, but why not embrace some other subject matter, especially if it's engaging and driving viewership.

Well, Twitch.tv is just the gaming offshoot of justin.tv. Technically, all of the non-gaming stuff should go on justin.tv.

That being said, these new consoles give people a $500 device that can produce an HD video stream with relative ease. They should probably consider enabling streaming to Justin.tv through the devices to capitalize on people's desire to use them as a more generic streaming device.

While I obviously see the point in restricting nudity, at least until such time as parental controls can be implemented, why would they restrict this to games only? I know that is *currently* the main focus of the Twitch network, but why not embrace some other subject matter, especially if it's engaging and driving viewership.

how about no. If people are already doing this kind of stuff it can only get worse we had our chance A few dorks blew it now it will be restricted to cover twitch from liability.

While I obviously see the point in restricting nudity, at least until such time as parental controls can be implemented, why would they restrict this to games only? I know that is *currently* the main focus of the Twitch network, but why not embrace some other subject matter, especially if it's engaging and driving viewership.

Probably because Twitch.tv is a subsidiary Justin.tv created when they realized how heavily the gaming section of their general streaming site was being utilized. So they spun off Twitch to serve the huge gaming market they had, while Justin continued on with everything else.

So given that they specifically created Twitch for gaming in the first place, they probably don't want to dilute that. They'd basically be turning their spin off for gaming back into what they had in the first place, when what they had in the first place still exists.

Valid point, but AFAIK the PS4 has no native capability to publish to or view justin.tv and there are no public plans to enable it. Also, from a branding perspective Twitch.tv is much catchier than Justin.tv. While gamers know why it's called twitch and what that means, the word also has some mass-market "cuteness" that isn't there with justin. "Why would I want to watch Justin's tv?"

Just as RIM renamed itself to Blackberry (but too late, they were already failing) -- Justin could do the same and run with it.

Anyway, they can extinguish instead of extend and embrace if they want, but that's historically the wrong order to do things...

This seems like a great opportunity for Sony to expand beyond twitch streaming to me. I'm sure a lot of folks want to share videos and things online and if the PS4 makes it dead easy, then why stop them. Let them do what they want. I thought Sony was also going to allow Ustream as well, that would be perfect for someone who wants to make their own show or stream their own content online with no hassle.

I understand why Twitch is doing what they are doing but it was obvious that this would happen and I just think instead of fighting the tide Sony should just go with the flow and allow their users to do what they want in an appropriate place.

You can share video to Facebook (not stream) and stream to Twitch at launch. Supposedly more are coming down the line.

can we stop linking to that lame reddit thread, those channels were not banned because of some chat trolls, they were removed due to having zero gaming content. "the playroom" has been a registered title on twitch since launch with its own thumbnail and everything, so they knew exactly what it was and what to expect. all those other channels have no problem with it as long as there are some games being streamed at all, or they at least have some gaming related discussion, just pointing the camera at your couch does not make a gaming stream.

there is chat going on every minute of the day in all kinds of channels full of kids and perverts spewing the most vile shit you can imagine. some are modded and some just let it flow, none of them are in any danger of being banned or suspended as long as it's reasonable, ie. no porn or majority of non gaming content. even in-game nudity is allowed as long as it's not AO rated or an obvious porn game. there are even channels that run cooking shows, talk shows or somesuch once a week, and twitch is perfectly fine with that when they normally stream gameplay every other day.

Valid point, but AFAIK the PS4 has no native capability to publish to or view justin.tv and there are no public plans to enable it.

Actually, I think it can. One of the members on the AT forums won a PS4 through the Taco Bell promotion, and he was streaming gameplay via the Twitch streaming. However, the URL that the user provided wasn't to Twitch... it was to Justin.tv. To go along with that, I tried to log into the chat, but it denied my authentication stating that I couldn't use Twitch.tv login information on Justin.tv.

So, I guess that if you register an account on Justin.tv, which appears to be semi-segregated from Twitch, and use that information on the PS4 when logging into Twitch, you will stream to Justin.tv instead. I could try it tonight and see what happens.

Maybe now some of this companies understand why people where outraged when the Xbox had to have the camera to work.

How long until you can´t be alone with someone in your own living room?

How long when you invite someone at home and he or she will first unplug out your TV, console and every other appliance in your home just to be sure.

These devices can and will be used to stream or record without the users content videos online of private moments. I can only see a problem with potential cameras always at home to cause the same effect that integrated webcams had on laptops. I know some womens actually tapped their webcams on their laptops because of fear of being watched.

Now imagine when everyone has a Xbox One or a PS4 in their living room, what kind of fear will this attract in particular for women.

Even worse, imagine if some of those systems are hacked, because we know one thing for sure, software can be hacked and this cameras can be turned on just by the OS or software alone, they don´t have a hardware off switch.

Maybe now some of this companies understand why people where outraged when the Xbox had to have the camera to work.

How long until you can´t be alone with someone in your own living room?

How long when you invite someone at home and he or she will first unplug out your TV, console and every other appliance in your home just to be sure.

These devices can and will be used to stream or record without the users content videos online of private moments. I can only see a problem with potential cameras always at home to cause the same effect that integrated webcams had on laptops. I know some womens actually tapped their webcams on their laptops because of fear of being watched.

Now imagine when everyone has a Xbox One or a PS4 in their living room, what kind of fear will this attract in particular for women.

Even worse, imagine if some of those systems are hacked, because we know one thing for sure, software can be hacked and this cameras can be turned on just by the OS or software alone, they don´t have a hardware off switch.

Luckily the majority if PS4's won't have a camera so that some consolation I guess, but really is this any different than someone with a smartphone? There is nothing stopping you from turning on your phone camera and strategically placing it somewhere to record your and your significant other making the beast with two backs. Most laptops have cameras, my iMac has a built in camera, you can;t even drive around a big city without cameras pointed at your car to track you. Unfortunately we gave up our freedoms for convenience and now we have to live with the consequences. The consequences being looking at naked people online who should definitely reconsider being naked and on camera. They should wear clothes at all times, even in the shower. I'm being serious.

People want to broadcast nudity. Just change the channel if you don't want to watch. See 1st Amendment.

people are confused about the first amendment, and think for some reason it gives them the right to exploit any venues they want. just stream on your own site if you want to be naked, see terms of service.