Considering the features and the price difference the pioneer is prob a better deal, but as far as bugs, im guessing kenwood is the safer choice. The avic f series is much better now with the latest update.

Is there a site like avic 411 for Kenwood? I wouldn't mind checking out that site.

The only reason I went from my avic d3 to a f series and not a kenwood was the time and money cost upgrading all components. My f series is compatible with the xm module, pac steering wheel controls and even the wiring harness, so quick easy upgrade. I didn't even have to wire in any additional modules and even go to remove the bluetooth one from the d3.

Like they said, Pioneer is a better deal, and its more user friendly, but the w/ all the bugs in the system it makes it much closer. Plus the voice recognition for iPod and Bluetooth is basically useless. The latest update didn't do all that much for it, so in my eyes there very close, especially with the much bigger screen on the kenwood.

I have been reading a lot of bad reviews of the F90 and I know they came out too soon but....I ordered mine about a month ago and with all this info from this site mainly I really questioned my choice, especially because of the delay and my impatience. I received my unit last week and installed it that night. I have little to know complaints, my unit is one of the updated models and it runs great! Not kind of good, not so so...great. I doubt that my unit is the only one like this...my IPod has around 5000 songs and multiple playlist the unit has recognized all my music and playlist. When using my Bluetooth I had two people ask if I got a new phone and I can hear them clear as day. The navigation is dead on...it tells me to get over to the proper lanes when I am in the wrong one. If I am the only one thank you Jesus! but I highly doubt it. (I still thank Jesus). Anyway...just my two cents. Oh yeah I also got a great deal plus the price difference. No question in my mind but we all have to make a choice.

Thanks to everyone for their honest replies. In the end, I think I'm going to go with the Pioneer since it seems like many of the bugs were taken care of with the upgrades. Plus, it's much cheaper, and I got a great deal. I really appreciate everyone's help.

i do think it's weird how alot of people talk about the price. i got my kenwood for $1048 shipped, and while i haven't looked up the pioneer's lately, they were pretty close when i first looked.

price played a big part in my descion also. along with bluetooth being built in and not having to buy yet another part. I found my 90bt through amazon.com/6ave (so i have warranty) for 747.00. and like someone said before you can get the 90bt from a non reputable shop for really cheap. i saw them from 750 and lower.