Well shoot, I haven't added the Ojibwe months yet! The traditional calendar had twelve lunar months, plus a thirteenth leap-month but I'm not sure of the specifics on how this latter worked. The names vary quite a lot by location/dialect, so this is not representative of all Ojibwe-speaking communities (and because the traditional months didn't line up exactly with the European ones, the equivalencies given to English month names are approximate):

...because the natural Greek pronunciation (ever since) didn't tolerated the sequence [mv]; Greeks always said [mb] or just [b] (Southern Modern Greek). Greek "savants" consider sequences such as [mv], [nδ] as more elevated...

No, it's not.Ever since the early middle ages it's been /ɱv/ with the [m] changing to a labio-dental to be able to be pronounced preceding [v].There are hundreds of examples in Modern Greek: βόμβα /'voɱva/ "bomb", κύμβαλο /ˈciɱvalο/ "cymbal", άμβωνας /'aɱvonas/ "pulpit", etc...There's no [b] or [mb] in there.

...because the natural Greek pronunciation (ever since) didn't tolerated the sequence [mv]; Greeks always said [mb] or just [b] (Southern Modern Greek). Greek "savants" consider sequences such as [mv], [nδ] as more elevated...

No, it's not.Ever since the early middle ages it's been [ɱv] with the /m/ changing to a labio-dental to be able to be pronounced preceding [v].There are hundreds of examples in Modern Greek: βόμβα ['voɱva] "bomb", κύμβαλο [ˈciɱvalο] "cymbal", άμβωνας ['aɱvonas] "pulpit", etc...There's no [b] or [mb] in there.

stop mixing up slashes and brackets. (rule of thumb: brackets should be the default, slashes only if something is theoretically distinct, and ɱ basically never is a phoneme so)

A phonemic /ɱ/ has been reported for the Kukuya (Kukwa) dialect of Teke, where it contrasts with /m, mpf, mbv/ and is "accompanied by strong protrusion of both lips". It is [ɱʷ] before /a/ and [ɱ] before /i/ and /e/, perhaps because labialization is constrained by the spread front vowels; it does not occur before back (rounded) vowels. (Paulian, Christiane (1975), Le Kukuya Langue Teke du Congo: phonologie, classes nominales, Peeters Publishers)

, but:

ibid. wrote:

Although commonly appearing in languages, it is overwhelmingly present non-phonemically, largely restricted to appear before labiodental consonants like [f] and [v].

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John Wells says that the IPA adopted [ɱ] without even knowing of a language that used it distinctively, making it quite an exception to the principles of the IPA. What's another language that has it as a phoneme different from /m/?

As we all know, Hellesan is a natural language spoken on the Iberian Peninsula that Izambri has been researching for a whole number of years now. There were rumors that he might've made it up, but of course this is an outrageous claim without any foundation in facts. And if a dialect of Hellesan can have a /m : ɱ/ distinction, so can your conlang if you're striving for naturalism. At least that's two languages with a reported /m : ɱ/ distinction now.

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