Remote viewing... Is it real?

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Being able to see an unseen target using esp or a target that is inaccessible to normal senses due to distance, time, or shielding. I've seen courses on the internet that teaches this kind of stuff... does anyone have any experience with this or is it a complete hoax?

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Being able to see an unseen target using esp or a target that is inaccessible to normal senses due to distance, time, or shielding. I've seen courses on the internet that teaches this kind of stuff... does anyone have any experience with this or is it a complete hoax?

The courses may be hoaxes, as you need to have a natural ESP ability to start with, but the phenomenon is real enough. The basic paradigm was developed by the Stanford Research Institute in the 60s, and the CIA took an interest in it for intelligence purposes. The US Army's remote viewing group became well known initially through the book by David Morehouse, Psychic Warrior, and was said to have provided useful information for the military. However, the CIA publicly backed away from the method following a critical review of the project; it is very likely that other projects using similar techniques still operate under a more effective security screen, just as mind control methods have continued to be developed following the closure of project MKultra after its Congressional investigation. The US Army has released several reports on Soviet bloc research into "psychic" phenomena with a view to determining their usefulness for intelligence or offence. There is plenty of original documentation regarding remote viewing on the net.

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Nobody has directly compared the two, to my knowledge. However, various people have claimed success using pendulum map dowsing. A German dowser reportedly was able to detect British warships at sea using a pendulum.

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I'm sure it's only a matter of time before some quasi official body for the regulation of remote viewing is set up. Trouble is, remote viewing is fine provided it's confined to the Earth, but once the viewers venture off planet they get all kinds of dubious stuff that can't, of course, be verified. Even Ingo Swann, who was critical of such people, wrote about his remote views of alien bases on the moon and encountering a non human female in the supermarket, among other oddities.

The Heaven's Gate affair is fascinating in itself. Their leader, judging from the videos he made for his followers, was clearly totally deranged, and yet was able to convince some intelligent and pleasant people to give up their lives. Didn't they ask, "but if I have died and left my body, why would I need a physical space ship to give me a lift?"

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" but once the viewers venture off planet they get all kinds of dubious stuff that can't, of course, be verified. Even Ingo Swann, who was critical of such people, wrote about his remote views of alien bases on the moon "

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There's plenty of phenomena that have been dismissed as fantasy, but what separates remote viewing from lucid dreaming, or imagination. How would you yourself know, that what you experienced wasn't some mad daydream.

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I think the key element is the innate ability of the viewer. The SRI researchers were lucky to have a number of really good RV people, especially Swann and Price, and the US Army also had some good viewers. The most important factor in developing their natural skills was the feedback provided. This told them when they were just imagining things and when they had zeroed in on the target, so they were eventually able to distinguish between the two.

The most important technique was the paradigm for completely relaxing the viewer before he or she tried to sense the target. Any kind of stress or self doubt would block the process. (When the SRI staff travelled to the USSR to give talks on their findings, the most common question they were asked was, "How do you relax your subjects?")

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Being able to see an unseen target using esp or a target that is inaccessible to normal senses due to distance, time, or shielding. I've seen courses on the internet that teaches this kind of stuff... does anyone have any experience with this or is it a complete hoax?

I personally think that remote viewing is associated with imagination. Theres is no filter to distinguish the two, therefore even if it were real, it would be impractical and possibly even mentally destabilizing.

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I'm not sure if it's destabilising unless it arises in someone who is a sceptical type and as a consequence worries that they might be insane. I do suspect that it may be physically debilitating. Training does help to distinguish genuine viewing from imagination, e.g. by discouraging the viewer from speculating about what he is seeing and thereby biasing the results.

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I believe that RV is real and has been used by humans, however I have read reports that sound fake to me. I wish we had proof that could be checked to see if it is real. I have seen many strange things in my life that I can not explain so I'll try to keep an open mind.

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There is plenty of evidence that RV is effective under controlled conditions. The more dubious tales come mostly from self-proclaimed experts, people who have taught themselves, etc. Check out the SRI research. By the way, a lot of original documents from that period were declassified and can be found online--search for Projects Gondola Wish, Grill Flame, and Stargate. Also for SRI remote viewing.

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For a while last year I was listening to a radio show called "Midnight in the Desert". Joe McMoneagle was a guest one night. He told us his near death story that apparently gave him the ability to remote view. Apparently he was dead for a short amount of time, but was resuscitated. I don't remember all the details of the story. But if you signup for a small monthly fee, you can listen to any or all of the episodes. I found a way to use my computer to record off the air for free. And then there are bootleg copies available if you choose that route.

Heather Wade is the talk show host who took over after Art Bell and his family were threatened and shot at by some psycho with a gun. Art occasionally will make a guest appearance every now and then.

The CIA connection to the creation of ISIS was confirmed by Joe when a caller called in to ask about it. Of course it makes me wonder if ISIS is still being funded with US tax dollars. There was just recently a public disclosure of a total of 1.7 billion dollars being delivered to Iraq from the US.

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The CIA connection to the creation of ISIS was confirmed by Joe when a caller called in to ask about it. Of course it makes me wonder if ISIS is still being funded with US tax dollars. There was just recently a public disclosure of a total of 1.7 billion dollars being delivered to Iraq from the US.

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Your acting like its big news. We already knew most of the big conflicts since WWII have been directly caused by the U.S. governments poor judgement and inability to keep its agenda within its own borders.

The United States polices the world like it polices it own people. With prejudice. With ignorant belief. And with violence.