danwinkler:Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

What exactly do you believe the Department of Justice did wrong in this instance?

Really? Is that a serious question? First of all, this nonsense program shouldn't even exist. But thats not obamas fault. However, the DoJ used taxpayer dollars, and used it to fund justice for trayvon rallies... you dont think the DoJ should remain neutral? Especially in such a racially charged case? Instead, they added fuel to the fire. Lets pretend a white man was killed by a black man in self defense. There would be no marches. Nobody would care. I would say dude got what he deserved. Lets play pretend though. Lets say george w bush's DoJ went there, gave a bunch of taxpayer dollars to groups who exist solely to advance white people, and got a bunch of "justice for billy-bob" rallies going. Are you going to sit there and tell me that would fly?

Ahh so you don't actually understand what the program was or what it did. They did not fund rallies and they remained neutral. Far from adding fuel to the fire, their entire purpose is to help defuse tense confrontations.

I am sure a rational, level headed individual like yourself will be relieved to find out that nothing improper was actually done.

danwinkler:Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

What exactly do you believe the Department of Justice did wrong in this instance?

Really? Is that a serious question? First of all, this nonsense program shouldn't even exist. But thats not obamas fault. However, the DoJ used taxpayer dollars, and used it to fund justice for trayvon rallies... you dont think the DoJ should remain neutral? Especially in such a racially charged case? Instead, they added fuel to the fire. Lets pretend a white man was killed by a black man in self defense. There would be no marches. Nobody would care. I would say dude got what he deserved. Lets play pretend though. Lets say george w bush's DoJ went there, gave a bunch of taxpayer dollars to groups who exist solely to advance white people, and got a bunch of "justice for billy-bob" rallies going. Are you going to sit there and tell me that would fly?

You are an idiot. They didn't fund any rallies and they exist to act as intermediaries in hot button situations.

danwinkler:Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

What exactly do you believe the Department of Justice did wrong in this instance?

I don't trust PJMedia or whatever this link is to, but taken from the outside sources:

"The peacekeepers have a specific mandate outlined in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to go into conflict zones within American communities that perceive discrimination or feel wronged because of their particular race, color or national origin."We are unique in that we don't investigate or prosecute but foster communication between communities," said acting Community Relations Service director Becky Monroe. "The real goal is to build local capacity to deal with these issues."They negotiate, ameliorate and communicate "under strict confidentiality," Monroe said.City officials said when battle lines were drawn and dialogue broke down, they called in the conciliators."They work behind the scenes and in the trenches to make contact with the various organizations that are represented," Sanford's Community Development coordinator Andrew Thomas said. "They make the connections others in the community can't."

Which is a bit different than the characterization that "the Department of Justice played a major behind-the-scenes role in organizing protests against George Zimmerman"

More like "The Community Relations Service division of the DOJ played a major role behind the scenes in making sure existing protests didn't get out of hand and everyone stayed calm."

The article is filled with conjecture and opinion from the Judicial Watch. Sounds legit

As well:

Bryan PrestonBryan Preston has been a leading conservative blogger and opinionator since founding his first blog in 2001. Bryan is a military veteran, worked for NASA, was a founding blogger and producer at Hot Air, was producer of the Laura Ingraham Show and, most recently before joining PJM, was Communications Director of the Republican Party of Texas.

MJMaloney187:SixOfDLoC: Corvus:Zimmerman was forcing an altercation, Martin MAYBE punched him because of it (if you believe someone still talks on their phone when they hide in bushes to punch someone and punches them still holding the phone). This is what the DEFENSE is saying.

Yes, but he was forcing an altercation with a black male, and they don't have any right to stand their ground and defend themselves against creepy weirdos who stalk them as they walk home from the store, certainly no right to defend themselves against some creepy weirdo who GETS OUT OF HIS VEHICLE AND CHASES THEM, because minorities are all on double-secret probation. But don't you dare call people who think this way "racist", or you're the real racist.

This case is conserviot jack-off fodder because they all fantasize about getting to shoot them some attractive and successful african americans. If Martin had been a white teenager, the current members of the Zimmerman fan club would all be howling for Zimmerman's blood and demanding that he be "sent back to Mexico in a bag". (Yes, I know he's not from Mexico)

Another poor soul burned by the farking censors.

Burned by the censors? No. I used that phrase because everyone here already knows what it's a substitute for.

This case is not conservative "jack-off fodder". You're over deflecting. This case actually removes any doubt that Martin's ilk fail to understand that we live in a constitutional republic, not some third world sh*t hole like Zimbabwe or colonial America. It's a Shakespearean irony that Florida law enforcement have to plan to prevent black mobs from lynching Zimmerman, all the while screaming about civil rights.Sure it is. And your response demonstrates exactly why. It gives you your chance to perpetuate some horseshiat about how white people are the real victims of racism, all the while celebrating the murder of some unarmed 17 year old kid by one of your fellow authoritarian cosplayers.

Philip Francis Queeg:BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mike Chewbacca: Is this the next Benghazi? This is the next Benghazi, isn't it? Gods, these people are grasping at straws. There are plenty of things to hate Obama for. Trying to keep the peace and prevent race riots isn't one of them.

If by "trying to keep the peace", you mean offering up an innocent person who was forced to defend himself to an angry mob, despite the fact that local officials saw no wrongdoing, then yeah, that's totally keeping the peace.

Who forced Zimmerman to run around his neighborhood looking for teenagers to harass?

Its a common response when a community feels threatened and isn't getting relief from the authorities.There were crimes happening and the residents were trying to help prevent them by patrolling area.

Neighborhood watch doesn't mean offering yourself up as a punching bag to any passer by.

Mike Chewbacca:Is this the next Benghazi? This is the next Benghazi, isn't it? Gods, these people are grasping at straws. There are plenty of things to hate Obama for. Trying to keep the peace and prevent race riots isn't one of them.

If by "trying to keep the peace", you mean offering up an innocent person who was forced to defend himself to an angry mob, despite the fact that local officials saw no wrongdoing, then yeah, that's totally keeping the peace.

Zimmerman strikes me as a fat, little loser, who got picked on when he was a kid... So he buys a gun, tries and fails to become a cop, and ends up a "neighborhood watchman". Little man with a gun in his hand...

Even if it doesn't matter in the verdict, isn't it f--ked up that Zimmerman never even considered that Martin was someone who belonged (temporarily or otherwise) to the community he protected? That he just assumed this kid was one of the thugs who always got away, never even considering this "thug" might be threatened by the same folks Zimmerman was worried about?

Then it went into "do (especially young) black men ever have the right to defend themselves" which was roundly depressing.

knbwhite:lockers: Why does anyone have a hard on for some loser who shot and killed an unarmed kid who's only suspicious action was walking down a public street? Seriously, why are the wing nuts so worked up about this? Are they just desperate to prove their racist narrative?

You skipped a few steps there idiot. I don't really know Zimmerman or Martin's state of mind in the few minutes before the shooting, and I am curious how things really happend on a few details. It could have been that Martin backtracked a bit, confronted Zimmerman and initiated the physical altercation. If that is true, I don't have a problem with the shooting.

Zimmerman may have been a loser, but there are good people in this world that truly care about crime in their community. The police may care, but they have more immediate concerns than solving break ins.

The problem is that Zimmerman escalated the situation by chasing Trayvon down, creating a situation where both men felt their lives were in danger. Had he simply followed the advice of the 911 operator, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmerman would still be a free man. Instead, Zimmerman tried to be a hero and quickly found himself outmatched, and here we are.

danwinkler:Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

What exactly do you believe the Department of Justice did wrong in this instance?

Really? Is that a serious question? First of all, this nonsense program shouldn't even exist. But thats not obamas fault. However, the DoJ used taxpayer dollars, and used it to fund justice for trayvon rallies... you dont think the DoJ should remain neutral? Especially in such a racially charged case? Instead, they added fuel to the fire. Lets pretend a white man was killed by a black man in self defense. There would be no marches. Nobody would care. I would say dude got what he deserved. Lets play pretend though. Lets say george w bush's DoJ went there, gave a bunch of taxpayer dollars to groups who exist solely to advance white people, and got a bunch of "justice for billy-bob" rallies going. Are you going to sit there and tell me that would fly?

So the Justice Department shouldn't have a program to stop violence before it happens?Where in the article can you show me that the DOJ funded Justice for Trayvon Rallies?

Dusk-You-n-Me:Yet more than the conflicting testimony over who screamed for help, more than the question of which man was on top, this case is about a defendant's presumed innocence and a dead man's presumed guilt. Link

This is why "presumed innocence" really doesn't seem like it should fit with this case.Usually, "presumed innocence" means you presume someone didn't do something until you know they did. We know GZ shot TM, he admits it.To carry presumption of innocence over to a self-defense plea, means you have to presume a dead person is guilty of attempted murder...

Philip Francis Queeg:danwinkler: Philip Francis Queeg: danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

What exactly do you believe the Department of Justice did wrong in this instance?

Really? Is that a serious question? First of all, this nonsense program shouldn't even exist. But thats not obamas fault. However, the DoJ used taxpayer dollars, and used it to fund justice for trayvon rallies... you dont think the DoJ should remain neutral? Especially in such a racially charged case? Instead, they added fuel to the fire. Lets pretend a white man was killed by a black man in self defense. There would be no marches. Nobody would care. I would say dude got what he deserved. Lets play pretend though. Lets say george w bush's DoJ went there, gave a bunch of taxpayer dollars to groups who exist solely to advance white people, and got a bunch of "justice for billy-bob" rallies going. Are you going to sit there and tell me that would fly?

MJMaloney187:If Martin had been a white teenager, as you premise, then the evidence presented thus far would lead a reasonable jury to believe that Martin was probably an a*shole. Zimmerman would walk and the white community would yawn.

Oh, please. If Martin had been a white kid, Zimmerman never would have followed him in the first place.

Philip Francis Queeg:danwinkler: Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

Its his justice department. When the bush DoJ did messed up shiat, you guys held Bush accountable, and rightfully so. For obama, its like only things he plans, pays for out of pocket, and executes with his own two hands can ever be his fault. Just hold him to the same standards as presidents past. You know, when the buck stopped at the top.

MJMaloney187:This case is not conservative "jack-off fodder". You're over deflecting. This case actually removes any doubt that Martin's ilk fail to understand that we live in a constitutional republic, not some third world sh*t hole like Zimbabwe or colonial America. It's a Shakespearean irony that Florida law enforcement have to plan to prevent black mobs from lynching Zimmerman, all the while screaming about civil rights.

MJMaloney187:Corvus: Mrbogey: Corvus: I don't get why people think Zimmerman gets to defend himself, by shooting someone but Martin isn't allowed to defend himself by punching someone.

"It's little wonder Japan bombed Pearl Harbor after what we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

You never did well in school didya?

SO you are saying Martin punched Zimmerman after he was shot? Serious what are you talking about?

Zimmerman was forcing an altercation, Martin MAYBE punched him because of it (if you believe someone still talks on their phone when they hide in bushes to punch someone and punches them still holding the phone). This is what the DEFENSE is saying.

I'll just put you in my gibbering gibberish column.

Point of fact: Travon Martin was using a blue toof device.

Do you really think Martin "maybe" punched Zimmerman?

I don't know and I don't care.

Do you think if a 17 year old throws a punch at you you should be allowed to shoot them dead?

Corvus:Zimmerman was forcing an altercation, Martin MAYBE punched him because of it (if you believe someone still talks on their phone when they hide in bushes to punch someone and punches them still holding the phone). This is what the DEFENSE is saying.

Yes, but he was forcing an altercation with a black male, and they don't have any right to stand their ground and defend themselves against creepy weirdos who stalk them as they walk home from the store, certainly no right to defend themselves against some creepy weirdo who GETS OUT OF HIS VEHICLE AND CHASES THEM, because minorities are all on double-secret probation. But don't you dare call people who think this way "racist", or you're the real racist.

This case is conserviot jack-off fodder because they all fantasize about getting to shoot them some attractive and successful african americans. If Martin had been a white teenager, the current members of the Zimmerman fan club would all be howling for Zimmerman's blood and demanding that he be "sent back to Mexico in a bag". (Yes, I know he's not from Mexico)

danwinkler:Came to see partisan shills defending their puppetmaster against anything. I am not disappointed. However, i expected something like a quarter of you to have some intellectual honesty and some sort of a conscience. You let me down there, state worshippers.

Pleas explain exactly what you think Obama did wrong in this instance.

whidbey:Bullshiat. And attacking me personally only shows you have nothing to show for yourself.

I'm making fun of you because you said something dumb. I'm not making fun of you to discredit what you said. That it's in direct conflict with the established facts of the case is enough to discredit you.

Well, when one group of people believes that the justice system is stacked against them. When people feel, rightly or wrongly, that the system is unjust, it can cause anger, despair, and rage that need to be vented.