Tonight my friend and I went to get slurpees after ballet class (it's a tradition going back 22 years). We were in our dance clothes because, who cares? When we got back to the car it wouldn't start, and the people we asked in 7-11 for jumper cables basically just stared at our bodies and grinned at each other. Going back to the car, this cab driver slowed down and rolled down his window and asked if we needed a jump. We said yes please, but he just kept staring at us the whole time, and by us I mean our bodies. When the car started (which he charged us forking $18 for!), he chuckled and said "I bet you ladies might need some more help after whatever it is you're getting up to tonight!" and gave us his card with his specific cab number. Gross.

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A slimy, misogynistic colleague (the one who harasses me), is such a forking sleaze. He calls women "sweetheart" all the forking time. There's a group of women who are of equal rank/job title to him who are doing some nametag assembly work (we do some in-house printing...graphic designers) and he just said, "oooh, a knitting bee!" in this real condescending tone. ArghRAGEkill.

_________________Did you notice the slight feeling of panic at the words "Chicken Basin Street"? Like someone was walking over your grave? Try not to remember. We must never remember. - mumblesIs this about devilberries and nazifruit again? - footface

Tonight my friend and I went to get slurpees after ballet class (it's a tradition going back 22 years). We were in our dance clothes because, who cares? When we got back to the car it wouldn't start, and the people we asked in 7-11 for jumper cables basically just stared at our bodies and grinned at each other. Going back to the car, this cab driver slowed down and rolled down his window and asked if we needed a jump. We said yes please, but he just kept staring at us the whole time, and by us I mean our bodies. When the car started (which he charged us forking $18 for!), he chuckled and said "I bet you ladies might need some more help after whatever it is you're getting up to tonight!" and gave us his card with his specific cab number. Gross.

Vijita that made me hyperventilate a bit. Its hard coming into this thread sometimes :(

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Shy Mox wrote:

Women in my psychology class talking about how beneficial patriarchy is for them personally as wives and girlfriends of strong men who take care of them. Sip the kool-aid and to hell with the women who suffer.

What???

Sorry I was mad. We did a psychology test where we learned about ambivalent sexism, and how there is a positive correlation between hostile sexism and benevolent sexism and *stressed* on why benevolent sexism is bad. Anyway a bunch of women totally ignored the horrible implications of benevolent sexism which we had JUST been quizzed on and went on about how its actually a good thing because they like it when their men protect them from other men and other women are too sensitive about getting mad bout male protection yada yada. Who cares about victim blaming or corrective rape or gender essentialism.

I was a little angry in my response, but I got a 100% out of it at least.

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Well, this isn't even a negative, but it is challenging me mentally. When I was 16, I hung out with an older guy (he was about 24) who really used me physically and then turned around and told everyone I was a hors d'oeuvre. I just found out he's in a Feminist Studies PhD program now. It's just making me feel weird and bringing up lots of old weird feelings.

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PP, I'm so sorry. That is truly awful. May his thesis be complete garbage.

Today for the first time in months, I wore something to school other than an enormous hoodie. It was just a black sweater. But as I walked to classes, it was very noticeable that I passed men who were staring at my chest. I feel gross.

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Vijita that made me hyperventilate a bit. Its hard coming into this thread sometimes :(

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Shy Mox wrote:

Women in my psychology class talking about how beneficial patriarchy is for them personally as wives and girlfriends of strong men who take care of them. Sip the kool-aid and to hell with the women who suffer.

What???

Sorry I was mad. We did a psychology test where we learned about ambivalent sexism, and how there is a positive correlation between hostile sexism and benevolent sexism and *stressed* on why benevolent sexism is bad. Anyway a bunch of women totally ignored the horrible implications of benevolent sexism which we had JUST been quizzed on and went on about how its actually a good thing because they like it when their men protect them from other men and other women are too sensitive about getting mad bout male protection yada yada. Who cares about victim blaming or corrective rape or gender essentialism.

I was a little angry in my response, but I got a 100% out of it at least.

I don't think there is anything wrong with people wanting to feel protected. And I'm stating this in general. For example I've certainly been harassed by men and woman when alone. Never when I have been with a man. It's my experience.

Also in the positive feminism thread, I couldn't help but notice a person or two referring to their "boo" as a positive point to their feminism. Might this person make them feel more protected in general? And is there anything wrong with that.

Nothing is wrong with wanting to feel protected, I don't think that it at all what Shy Mox was saying. It seems like she was pretty clear about what she meant - correlation with hostile sexism, victim blaming, etc.

Nothing is wrong with wanting to feel protected, I don't think that it at all what Shy Mox was saying. It seems like she was pretty clear about what she meant - correlation with hostile sexism, victim blaming, etc.

Yeah, and it was clear what they meant: They like to have a man in their life to protect them...from other men. And we were very clear in why benevolent sexism (women are weak and need protection) is a very bad thing and correlates positively with hostile sexist attitudes.

In more news on the same course, they're also very cissexist. I really do not enjoy the discussion parts of this course.

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At the gym the other day: Two guys discussed how "slutty" one of their girlfriends were because she had texted another guy. They also talked about how she's "asking for attention" by the way she dresses, and other things on the same theme.

Fun fact: The three of us were the only ones in the room at the time and I was wearing my "feminism is the radical notion that women are people"-shirt.

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So I'm trying out the Jailbreak the Patriarchy app right now and this thread looks crazy.

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eta II: AH! I'm now "Ms. Shankly"!

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Is anyone bothered by how often Obama refers to "our wives, mothers, and daughters" when he's talking about equality for women? I deserve equal rights because I'm a freaking person, not because of my relationship to someone else. Our country is in a sorry state indeed if the only way men can be convinced that women deserve equal pay and protection from violence is if those women are their relatives.

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Is anyone bothered by how often Obama refers to "our wives, mothers, and daughters" when he's talking about equality for women? I deserve equal rights because I'm a freaking person, not because of my relationship to someone else. Our country is in a sorry state indeed if the only way men can be convinced that women deserve equal pay and protection from violence is if those women are their relatives.

YES! Women have value only by association.

Its the same thing with rape. In the Steubenville case the only time anyone questions what the rapists are doing, its one person saying "Man, what if that was your sister?" And the guy making the video mocking the rape victim says "Yes, but she isn't."

Can we not agree that women shouldn't be raped because they shouldn't be raped, not because they are someone's sister/girlfriend/wife/mom/auntie/grandma/daughter/niece etc?

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Is anyone bothered by how often Obama refers to "our wives, mothers, and daughters" when he's talking about equality for women? I deserve equal rights because I'm a freaking person, not because of my relationship to someone else. Our country is in a sorry state indeed if the only way men can be convinced that women deserve equal pay and protection from violence is if those women are their relatives.

YES! Women have value only by association.

Its the same thing with rape. In the Steubenville case the only time anyone questions what the rapists are doing, its one person saying "Man, what if that was your sister?" And the guy making the video mocking the rape victim says "Yes, but she isn't."

Can we not agree that women shouldn't be raped because they shouldn't be raped, not because they are someone's sister/girlfriend/wife/mom/auntie/grandma/daughter/niece etc?

Here is a piece on that very issue. It's potentially triggering, and very difficult to read, but also really important, I think.

From the article wrote:

“Imagine if it were your wife/daughter/mother.” Yes, this phrase is almost reflexively brought up when discussing rape, other forms of gendered violence, abortion–really, anything that affects primarily women. But try to picture a woman being call upon to do the inverse: “Imagine if it were your husband/son/father.” It rarely happens. The idea that a woman would need a reminder on how to empathize with someone–as well as way of mentally replacing the object of empathy with someone else who is more personally valued to them–seems slightly ludicrous.

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