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Really? (I'm not questioning you, as I'm not an electrician... but I'm surprised by that.)

I've always been under the impression that any receptacle in the bathroom HAD to be a GFCI. Likewise, anything within two or three ft (I don't remember exactly without grabbing a book) of the kitchen sink (or any sink) had to be GFCI, as well as any receptacle on an unfinished floor, as in a basement or garage area. I even use GFCI breakers for the outdoor receptacles (not sure what the code there requires, as I'm NOT an electrician).

Basic thought I've always had was that if it were possible to "ground" ones self, you need a GFCI. And, I thought that NY and all of it's communities followed the NEC, but might have "additional" codes.

Really? (I'm not questioning you, as I'm not an electrician... but I'm surprised by that.)

I've always been under the impression that any receptacle in the bathroom HAD to be a GFCI. Likewise, anything within two or three ft (I don't remember exactly without grabbing a book) of the kitchen sink (or any sink) had to be GFCI, as well as any receptacle on an unfinished floor, as in a basement or garage area. I even use GFCI breakers for the outdoor receptacles (not sure what the code there requires, as I'm NOT an electrician).

Basic thought I've always had was that if it were possible to "ground" ones self, you need a GFCI. And, I thought that NY and all of it's communities followed the NEC, but might have "additional" codes.

CWS

This came from an old post on Electrician talk By Speedy Pety

I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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I don't know what the NYSRC refers to (but again, I'm not in the trade), but isn't there some general wording regarding "NEC" code requirements in general, except where otherwise stated?

Again, it's been a long time since I've "boned-up" on this kind of thing.

(I had the electrical contractor stand me up and thus put in my own service back in 1990, as I had other contractors waiting, as well as the electrical inspector scheduled. At that time I bought the NEC manual as well as a few references from the local code inforcement folks. Since then, I just try to keep up to date and generally confine myself to fixing circuits and adding the occasional circuit. My service here was upgraded by a certified Master, and a few months ago, he ran me a 100 amp service to my detached garage. I'll do most of the rest of the wiring required there.... BUT, I do try to keep up, so "code" is very important to me!... so, I follow this forums "electrical" posts quite regularly [and do a lot of reading for specifics too])

Maybe that's where NY got screwed up, they thought it applied to everything with codes.

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"When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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Doing some work on an old home in My Hood. I've done over $140. 000 , Mostly Landscape, concrete , retaining walls, new paver drive. Awesome lady.One day I'm clearing a kitchen drain blockage, use the hallway bath. There's the teen daughters hair dryer on edge of sink next to bath Tub. 60 year old Eichler like ours No GFCI, All ungrounded outlets ! I explained why I added a clamp W ground wire to cold in wall and GFCI. Never a problem selling that one !

I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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Hey, I got in with the 5 wpm, but found it excruciating. Then after spending most of my first month "on the air" (working 87 countries), I felt guilty and asked my totally non-tech wife if she'd be interested. I worked with her on a couple of Sunday afternoons to understand the theory, and she went from Zip to "Extra" in a short five month.... acing the Novice, Tech, and 5 wpm in one sitting... then two months later took the General, Advanced, and the 13 wpm and in the same manner, didn't miss a single question. A month after that, she took her 20 wpm and the Extra, missing only one question on the code exam!

I tried to keep up with her but she left me behind as and "Advanced" licensee (I did manage through the 13 wpm), and I never could pass the 20 wpm and had to wait to they dropped the code requirement.

Can You explain John ? We are in a 1958 Eichler Hood . I live in one and work on Many. Post N beam slab on grade Lots of plate Glass. The plumbing ,along with the Hydronics is copper. The copper cold Water pipe from all sinks ,tubs , showers goes to earth ,out to street , and the old services are grounded to it. I believe a GFCI won't set If improperly wired . Thanks Tool

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Refer to article 250 of the NEC for details. If you want to add an "equipment ground wire" it must be ran all the way to the service panel, or if you want to use the water line, it must be landed within 5ft of where it enters the building. Furthermore, it has to be done within acceptable wiring methods from chapter 3 (eg....Can't run wires smaller than #8 along bottom of joists, must be green wire, fittings must be listed for use......)

There is an exception that allows a GFCI outlet to be used without an equipment ground,(old 2 wire outlet) but outlets must be clearly labeled with ( it comes with GFCI) the sticker that says "No equipment ground"

A GFCI does not need a equipment ground to set.....Or work for that mater.