Comments - The Ebionites and Muhammad. - Think Atheist2016-12-10T03:19:49Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=1982180%3ABlogPost%3A506181&xn_auth=noMarvel and Archaeopteryx, Tha…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-01-05:1982180:Comment:12437512013-01-05T07:55:16.840ZHopehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/hope
<p>Marvel and Archaeopteryx, Thank you..</p>
<p>Marvel and Archaeopteryx, Thank you..</p> there is a book i read about…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-01-04:1982180:Comment:12435032013-01-04T15:00:27.263ZHeliumhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Helium
<p>there is a book i read about this called "a priest and a prophet" where it tells the relationship between Waraqa Ibn Nawfal and Muhammed .. it also spots on the differences in the Quran concerning the language and the composition of its verses during the life of Waraqa and after his death.</p>
<p>it's wriitin in arabic by Abo Mousa Elhariry .. its a very interesting subject.</p>
<p>there is a book i read about this called "a priest and a prophet" where it tells the relationship between Waraqa Ibn Nawfal and Muhammed .. it also spots on the differences in the Quran concerning the language and the composition of its verses during the life of Waraqa and after his death.</p>
<p>it's wriitin in arabic by Abo Mousa Elhariry .. its a very interesting subject.</p> @arch : Thank for the commen…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-01-04:1982180:Comment:12434992013-01-04T14:38:11.390ZHopehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/hope
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<p>@arch : Thank for the comment..</p>
<p><br/> These infos about old christianity always interesting to me.. But unfortunately, I don't find good sources to read more about it.. I'm still looking.. I like to read for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus" target="_blank">John of Damascus</a> just to understand the old christian perspective, and there is another book called " History of pre-Islamic Arabia" by Jawad Ali.. So interesting..</p>
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<p>@arch : Thank for the comment..</p>
<p><br/> These infos about old christianity always interesting to me.. But unfortunately, I don't find good sources to read more about it.. I'm still looking.. I like to read for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus" target="_blank">John of Damascus</a> just to understand the old christian perspective, and there is another book called " History of pre-Islamic Arabia" by Jawad Ali.. So interesting..</p>
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<p><span class="mw">Without authenticated archaeological evidence, attempts to reconstruct their history have been based on textual references, mainly the writings of the Church Fathers. The earliest reference to a group that might fit the description of the Ebionites appears in Justin Martyr's <i>Dialogue with Trypho</i> (c. 140). Justin distinguishes between Jewish Christians who observe the <a title="Law of Moses" class="mw">Law of Moses</a> but does not require its observance upon others, and those who believe the Mosaic Law to be obligatory on all.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Justin_23-0">[24]</sup> Irenaeus (c. 180) was the first to use the term "Ebionites" to describe a heretical judaizing sect, which he regarded as stubbornly clinging to the Law.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Irenaeus_24-0">[25]</sup> Origen (c. 212) remarks that the name derives from the Hebrew word "evyon," meaning "poor.</span></p>
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<p>Most patristic sources portray the Ebionites as traditional yet ascetic Jews, who zealously followed the <a title="Law of Moses" class="mw">Law of Moses</a>, revered Jerusalem as the holiest city,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Irenaeus_24-1">[25]</sup> and restricted table fellowship only to Gentiles who converted to Judaism.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Justin_23-1">[24]</sup> They celebrated a commemorative meal annually,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Ramsey_1912_40-0">[41]</sup> on or around Passover, with <a title="Unleavened bread" class="mw">unleavened bread</a> and water only, in contrast to the daily Christian Eucharist.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-41">[42]</sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Irenaeus5_42-0">[43]</sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Epiphanius30_26-1">[27]</sup></p>
<p>Epiphanius of Salamis is the only Church Father who describes some Ebionites as departing from traditional Jewish principles of faith and practice; specifically by engaging in excessive ritual bathing,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Epiphanius19_43-0">[44]</sup> possessing an <a title="Angelology" class="mw">angelology</a> which claimed that the Christ is a great archangel who was incarnated in Jesus and adopted as the son of God,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-44">[45]</sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Epiphanius_30-16_45-0">[46]</sup> opposing animal sacrifice,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Epiphanius_30-16_45-1">[46]</sup> denying parts or most of the Law,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-46">[47]</sup> and practicing religious vegetarianism</p>
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<p>The majority of Church Fathers agree that the Ebionites rejected many of the central Christian views of Jesus such as the pre-existence, <a title="Divinity of Jesus" class="mw">divinity</a>, virgin birth, atoning <a title="Death of Jesus" class="mw">death</a>, and physical resurrection of Jesus.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Klijn_.26_Reinink_1973_0-3">[1]</sup> The Ebionites are described as emphasizing the oneness of God and the humanity of Jesus as the biological son of both Mary and Joseph, who by virtue of his righteousness, was chosen by God to be the messianic "prophet like Moses" (foretold in <i>Deuteronomy</i> 18:14–22) when he was anointed with the holy spirit at his baptis.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Ebionites?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&amp;cof=FORID%3A9&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=Ebionites&amp;sa=Search#922">Extended Definition: ebionites</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Ebionites?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&amp;cof=FORID%3A9&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=Ebionites&amp;sa=Search#922"></a></p> Extended Definition: ebionite…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-03-25:1982180:Comment:5996482011-03-25T02:29:46.202ZHopehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/hope
<p>Extended Definition: ebionites</p>
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<p>The <b>Ebionites</b> (Greek: <span lang="grc" xml:lang="grc">Ἐβιωναῖοι</span> <i>Ebionaioi</i> from Hebrew; <span lang="he" xml:lang="he"><b>אביונים</b></span><sup class="noprint Template-Fact"><span style="white-space: nowrap;" title="This claim needs references to reliable sources since June 2008">[<i>citation needed</i>]</span></sup>,…</p>
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<p>Extended Definition: ebionites</p>
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<p>The <b>Ebionites</b> (Greek: <span xml:lang="grc" lang="grc">Ἐβιωναῖοι</span> <i>Ebionaioi</i> from Hebrew; <span xml:lang="he" lang="he"><b>אביונים</b></span><sup class="noprint Template-Fact"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources&#xA0;since June 2008" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i>citation needed</i>]</span></sup>, <span xml:lang="he-Latn" lang="he-Latn"><i>Ebyonim</i></span>, "the Poor Ones") were an early <a title="Jewish Christian" class="mw">Jewish Christian</a> sect that lived in and around Judea and <a title="Roman Palestine" class="mw">Palestine</a> from the 1st to the 4th century.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Klijn_.26_Reinink_1973_0-0">[1]</sup></p>
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<p>The term <i>Ebionites</i> derives from the Hebrew <i>Evyonim</i>, meaning "the Poor Ones",<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Uhlhorn_2-1">[3]</sup> which has parallels in the Psalms and the self-given term of pious Jewish circles.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-RGG_3-1">[4]</sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-16">[17]</sup> The term "the poor" was at first a common designation for all Christians - a reference to their material as well their religious poverty.</p>
</div> I believe that there were Chr…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-01-25:1982180:Comment:5067572011-01-25T19:29:24.707ZHopehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/hope
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">I believe that there were Christians in Saudi Arabia in the past.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Al-Qurtubi (muslim scholar) said about the apostles of Jesus,</span></p>
<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;"><span lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Bartholomew was one of the apostles of Jesus</span></p>
<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;"><span lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Bartholomew went to the lands of Arabia,…</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">I believe that there were Christians in Saudi Arabia in the past.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">Al-Qurtubi (muslim scholar) said about the apostles of Jesus,</span></p>
<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;"><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">Bartholomew was one of the apostles of Jesus</span></p>
<p align="right" dir="rtl" style="text-align: left;"><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">Bartholomew went to the lands of Arabia, specifically Al-Hijaz</span></p>
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<p><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">*But there is no historical evidence whether they were,</span></p>
<p><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">Arians, Nestorian or Ebionites.</span></p>
<p><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">Some famous families in saudi arabia i<span xml:lang="en" class="short_text" lang="en" id="result_box"><span title="&#x627;&#x646;&#x642;&#x631; &#x644;&#x644;&#x62D;&#x635;&#x648;&#x644; &#x639;&#x644;&#x649; &#x62A;&#x631;&#x62C;&#x645;&#x627;&#x62A; &#x628;&#x62F;&#x64A;&#x644;&#x629;" class="hps">n addition</span> <span title="&#x627;&#x646;&#x642;&#x631; &#x644;&#x644;&#x62D;&#x635;&#x648;&#x644; &#x639;&#x644;&#x649; &#x62A;&#x631;&#x62C;&#x645;&#x627;&#x62A; &#x628;&#x62F;&#x64A;&#x644;&#x629;" class="hps">to</span> <span title="&#x627;&#x646;&#x642;&#x631; &#x644;&#x644;&#x62D;&#x635;&#x648;&#x644; &#x639;&#x644;&#x649; &#x62A;&#x631;&#x62C;&#x645;&#x627;&#x62A; &#x628;&#x62F;&#x64A;&#x644;&#x629;" class="hps">my family</span></span></span></p>
<p><span xml:lang="EN" lang="EN">belong</span> to Hatim al-Tai that was a Christian..</p>