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Eskimo, you do know that Walker still wasn't actually driving the car, right?

Ok, so they were speeding. Is there a single person here that hasn't been in a speeding car before? I have been in a speeding car countless times. As a passenger. With no control over the vehicle. Do I deserve to die for this?

I can't get over how desperate people are to believe Paul Walker was a douchebag who had it coming. What kind of pathology is driving this need? Is it an attempt to avoid accepting that the universe is a cold and heartless place lacking any inherent justice where good people can die random fiery deaths at any moment? Is that it? Is basic fear driving this need to berate a tragic victim?

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks

Nah, I knew he wasn't driving the car. And yeah, it's probably dickish to just assume they were driving like "radical duuuude" fratboy maniacs. Just probably a reasonable, rational conclusion, given the guy that was driving was a racecar driver, they were in a high-end sportscar, and in a spot supposedly known for dipshit road activity for kicks.

Doesn't mean he deserved to die, exactly, no. But he's not really worthy of the sympathy either, especially given he has a dependant.

He probably was a nice enough guy, no real reason to assume otherwise. Just think you've gotta distinguish between genuine freak-act wrong-place-wrong-time victims, and you know...gearheads with a feeling of invincibility. This isn't some 17 year old who has an arguable excuse for not knowing any better.

I saw your point and found it lacking. Not irrational, but seriously and embarrasingly lacking. I figured it was probably a probably a cultiral perspective thing and thus avoided the following debate. (Also it wasn't about Star Trek so caring was way beyond my aabilities.)

And yeah I also realize that my comparison was clumsy on par with Bush = Hitler, but my clumsy anology was still the best thing that came out of that debate, so really I should thank you. (But also If this were real life I'd be winking and armpit farting, so take my comments as lightly as possible, as that's the spirit they were attempted to be written with.)

But he's not really worthy of the sympathy either, especially given he has a dependant...Just think you've gotta distinguish between genuine freak-act wrong-place-wrong-time victims, and you know...gearheads with a feeling of invincibility. This isn't some 17 year old who has an arguable excuse for not knowing any better.

Again though, Walker wasn't driving. You might have a point if you were talking about the driver and not a helpless passenger.

Originally Posted by wheelchairman

But also If this were real life I'd be winking and armpit farting, so take my comments as lightly as possible, as that's the spirit they were attempted to be written with.

I love how you know you regularly come off like a total dick so you go to these quite entertaining lengths to prove otherwise. It always amuses me.

Last edited by Paint_It_Black; 12-13-2013 at 05:31 PM.

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks

Yeah, 'cause it's totally more likely a known gear-head and star of the friggin' Fast & Furious movies was totally not-in on the dangerous driving, trying to talk him out of it.

It's possible, just kind of the less-likely way to look at it. If they were hooning around suburban streets faster than they should have, I'm sure it was in a pretty mutual capacity, finishing the charity thing and deciding to blow off steam. Yeah, he wasn't behind the wheel. No, he probably wasn't discouraging it either.

Again, I don't even really have anything against the guy. It's just horse-shit how the media's acting like some household name lost his life too early out of sheer bad luck, rather than reporting it as a D-lister and his irresponsible buddy killing themselves through stupidity. More of an issue with the context of the reporting on it, rather than any problem with the guy himself.

Not hate at all. I don't much care either way, I've enjoyed a few of his movies like The Skulls, and generally think he's just another douchey actor blending in with most of the other douchey actors. Ambivalent on that.

It's just fairly reasonable to assume that two car enthusiasts, in a high-end Porsche, who crashed in an area known for racing, were likely doing the wrong thing.

If one of those Duck-Hunter dudes (or whatever the fuck that show's called) shot themselves accidentally while goofing around carelessly with their rifles, the general consensus among Americans would be "haha, dumbfucks". This isn't really any different, other than there's obviously no legally-clearable proof that they were fucking around stupidly with that car. It's an assumption, but the facts released tend to lean in that direction.