Did you save all the text from the Wallbanger page please? We put a lot of hard work into it!
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bassforte123

12:31:14 PM Dec 28th 2015edited by bassforte123

Seconded, some of the WB pages were HUGE, there's a lot lost if they're not some how archived or migrated somewhere else like into the Dmo S page.

Larkmarn

12:33:15 PM Dec 28th 2015

Wayback Machine is your only hope, I suppose.

SallyShears

01:56:36 PM Dec 28th 2015

After experiencing a frustrating edit war on a Wall Bangers page (which I know I shouldn't have partaken in, I was guilty), I highly approve this motion, and hope it remains enacted. "Wall Bangers" was nothing but a space for people to rant their nerd rages, and it lead to flame wars when people wanted to "complain" about things that were...debatable.

Good. The whole section was a festering waste of space and only worked to attract whining. Good riddance.

I just hope Dethroning Moment of Suck is next.

kablammin45

06:51:33 PM Dec 28th 2015

Huh, this came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I can totally understand why the decision to cut it was made. Some of the pages were just a complete and utter mess. The Teen Titans Go! page, in particular, was a real piece of work. People were really just starting to just complain about everything about the show.

Nithael

01:13:31 AM Dec 29th 2015

Alas DMOS still stands, but it's still a victory. Maybe next time.

SeptimusHeap

01:59:22 AM Dec 29th 2015

DMOS is probably going to stay. One of the key issues with Wallbanger was that the pages tended to degenerate into ill-formatted salads. DMOS doesn't have this issue.

The text of the Wallbanger pages is still available to moderators, too.

bassforte123

08:13:28 AM Dec 29th 2015edited by bassforte123

My main concern though is that DMOS only allows one entry per person and generally their absolute worst moment from the series. It sounds like there would be no way to cover any particularly large series that had an extensive WB page like Simpsons, Star Trek, or Naruto (alone around 53 pages of entries) just due to the sheer volume of the material where as WB allowed the whole series to be covered. Edit/Flamewars are annoying but there were still plenty of valid and extensive WB pages that acted like a nice listing of accepted negative tropes like Broken Aesops, Out of Character Moment, or Protagonist Centered Morality which often aren't on a series's main page.

Generally speaking, as opposed to making Justifying Edits, what should someone do if anyone posts something as a Wallbanger that is actually very much justified? I even read under Square Peg, Round Trope that this trope is not "event I happen to disagree with". This trope's description instructs tropers to delete something if the facts are wrong, but not if they're right but there's nothing particularly wrong with the event itself (or if what's cited to be wrong actually does make sense in some way).

I would like to propose that this page be deleted entirely or turned into an example-less page. There is no apparent criteria for an example apart from "someone didn't like this". While there is room for personal disagreement in YMMV entries and even more in entries like this, Dethroning Moment of Suck, by comparison, must be the worst part of a work, and to qualify as Narm, a moment must be intended to be serious, but laughable in execution. This page is purely Complaining About Shows You Don't Like.

crazyrabbits

03:58:28 AM Oct 27th 2012edited by crazyrabbits

These arguments have been had time and time again, and they invariably fail for several reasons:

1) Negativity (in any form) will always exist in the wiki. Giving a structured outlet for people to feed their complaints/problems with a work into works far better in the long run than having people run all over the wiki spouting negativity.

2) There is a loose criteria, in the sense that it has to be a moment that didn't work (for whatever reason). It can be grounded with another trope, but it doesn't have to be. If you feel an example is wrong, delete it and make a note explaining why in the respective discussion section.

3) WB has always existed as the general place to list criticism and moments that don't work, and DMOS has always been the troper's personal opinion on the worst moment of the entire franchise to them, with no repetition.

Point is, no matter how many times people have wanted to delete WB (and I know, as I argued for its safety on several occasions), the wiki works better with it than without it.

supergod

02:09:26 PM Oct 29th 2013edited by 92.99.223.0

While I'm not suggesting that this should be deleted, I think that the fact that this is about specific moments and not specific works should be enforced. Too many people are using this as an excuse to bitch about an author or show in general. We have separate pages for that.

I know this page is subjective and everything but what if someone gets something wrong? Like if someone's wall banger (or part of it) is someone going somewhere but they actually went somewhere else and the person who posted it just messed up with trying to follow it, would that be a reason to edit it?

crazyrabbits

07:35:22 PM Feb 4th 2012

If you know the example is wrong, either correct the information (if the point still stands) or just delete it outright.

Can we please add a redirect from Main/Wallbanger to this page? Is that the kind of thing that only mods can do? I've seen at least fifty redlinks to the old Main entry today, which doesn't exist anymore and stuff.

Can we remove the bit in Wall Bangers: Video Games on Castlevania Judgment, if it hasn't been already? I know these pages are subjective, but that reads less like a legitimate complaint and more like "BAAAAAAAW THEY CHANGED THINGS". Especially considering it starts off calling it "Justasplanned".

AnonymousMcCartneyfan

07:18:15 PM Oct 31st 2010

Sure.

RADIX

07:46:49 PM Oct 31st 2010

Original poster: Bit has been removed.

Allsmileysfly

12:17:37 AM Aug 18th 2012

I think you should put things like that into the Ruined FOREVER category.

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