INEPT GOVERNMENT OR BY DESIGN?

Residents Association of Greater Lake Mathews

"In the News" should not have our editorial views added. These views on the news are political and therefore belong in the section called Politics on this website. I request that moderators of this website move this discussion to that section which I, thankfully do not subscribe.
If discussions of community issues continue to slam or support political agendas, I will be forced to discontinue my membership.

Yes, most certainly, let's not only 'try' but let's actually be factual. The people coming across the border are Illegal Aliens and they are undocumented. They have no paper work stating otherwise. They have followed no legal procedure. Hence, they are deemed illegals. Worthless parents in South American countries are sending their children, unattended, in hope they will live the adventure alone with the 'Coyotes' and reach America. If they make it the plan is to overwhelm our care facilities, hospitals, schools and suck as many dollars they can from our welfare system.

It's time to take off the 'rose colored' glasses and put aside the 'bleeding hearts' and realize the effect this is going to have on not just our community but our country as a whole.

If you have school age children do you want illegal children that can't speak our language and are for the most part illiterate to be given preferential treatment with you child being left behind? That is what's going to happen.

We should cut off all the money America sends to those countries till they take back their people. Why America needs to send money and trade with those countries I will never understand also remember we still have a Soldier in Mexico they are holding. Our people would not be welcome by the bus loads in South America they would be robbed and killed. Wake up America.

Let us try to be factual. . . . We are not talking about illegal aliens or undocumented people here. When they came across the border, they did not evade the immigration authorities; they sought them out so that they could apply for refugee or asylum status.

Let us try to be factual. . .an "advancing brain" doesn't logically compare a "kind and considerate nature" (among the marks of a Christian, according to Webster's) with the acts of 9/11, thus automatically dumping all religious reasons (or excuses) into the same pot.

Let us try to be factual. . . . When I moved here in 1965, the "country smells" were not horses and dogs; they were sage and creosote. The country smells" of horses and dogs are due to confining large numbers of animals on small pieces of land.

What we're dealing with here is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. It has nothing to do with legal immigration and the immigration our Country was founded upon. Quit confusing and trying to mix the two. The illegals being bussed to Murrieta have absolutely no right to be in our Country. Just let the busses keep going to Mexeco, open the door and push them out. It's not our problem. It's Mexico's and South America's problem. Age has no deciding factor - illegal is illegal - go home.

We're not talking IMMIGRATION here we're dealing with ILLEGAL IMMAGRATION, there is a destinct difference. America has two types of immigration - those that come to our contry and follow the proper procedures to become citizens and those that rape our borders as illegals and steal from American citizens. It's two entirely different things. One is the right way the other is the illegal. Call a spade a spade. These people pouring into our country are ILLEGAL and should be imediately deported with no social services provided. Simply 'dump' them back from where they came.

OK, I have to weigh in as the discussion is starting to be swayed by partial truths. I love this healthy discussion so please keep it going but try to include everything in your view and not just partial truths. I am personally an Irish/German immigrant from 1600's. I can trace my family through Ellis Island. The issue here I think is simply the law. Are we a nation of laws or a nation of emotional whims? Did you raise your children with rules? Would you let someone walk into your home and just take things? I think the issue is the FACT that they are ILLEGAL. My family came over legally. So how come your neighbor who came here and has spent years working towards their citizenship somehow is not as worthy as someone who wants to simply demand it? I love immigration, I do not think most of us would be here without it but try to remember that there is a process and ask yourself, if we pick and choose which laws we wish to follow, then what will happen to your rights when someone else simply does not like the FACT that you have them?

This is a copy and paste from Daniel Griswold I think it's very telling

"Immigrants have enriched American culture and enhanced our influence in the world

By Daniel Griswold

This article appeared in Insight on February 18, 2002.

Immigration always has been controversial in the United States. More than two centuries ago, Benjamin Franklin worried that too many German immigrants would swamp America’s predominantly British culture. In the mid-1800s, Irish immigrants were scorned as lazy drunks, not to mention Roman Catholics. At the turn of the century a wave of “new immigrants” — Poles, Italians, Russian Jews — were believed to be too different ever to assimilate into American life. Today the same fears are raised about immigrants from Latin America and Asia, but current critics of immigration are as wrong as their counterparts were in previous eras.

Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world."

People that use religion to qualify their thoughts as being in the right, act as though they have God on their side, they're typically the same folks that choose to put their heads in the sand as it's a lot less time consuming work than researching the consequences of events that will affect our future. Just my thought but I feel God allowed our species to evolve with an ever advancing brain so that we could continue to survive with common sense leading the way, and just as important, he gave us the ability to think about the future. Continuing to allow open borders will no doubt, eventually overwhelm our country and then how much free aid will be sent out to save the millions in suffering countries? Please next time you want to use your religion as a bases for your thoughts think about the terrorist's doing the exact same

I agree if you don't want to hear the news don't read it and stay in the dark. We need to all direct those busses to the White House to the wonderful Obama, and let him take care of them he started it all. He doesn't care about America at all. Listen to Fox News if you want to know what's happening.

Yes, there are a couple of pages devoted to National and Local politics. However, in this discussion I see it as being 'local' news more than a political point of view. What's happening in the bussing of these illigal aliens (political correctness is not part of my makeup) from other states to just a few miles from our community, Murrieta, is bound to have an effect on everyone in the surrounding area. That, is local news and I believe this thread is in the correct spot.

From my point of view (Conservative) there is no longer such a thing as 'unbiased' political news. You certainly won't find it in the local newspapers, ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN.

Everyone has the option of "Not Reading" posts. That choice is 'still' yours - at least for the time being. - LOL

I am not the least bit ashamed of those who protest the flow of illegal immigrants into our country -- adults or children. If those in Central American countries don't want their kids to grow up in the corrupt state they live in, then they should do something to correct the problem there. Would you put your kids in the hands of coyotes and send them alone to another country? The shame is on those parents in those Central American countries that would risk the lives of their children in that way.

While our country is turning more into a nanny state every day, we bear absolutely no responsibility to care for those who enter the country illegally no matter what age. They should be stopped at the border and not allowed to enter this country. Our government is negligent in their responsibility to protect this country from invasion.

Nathan & staff,, I thought there was a special page for political stuff on raglm? This, as I recall, falls under the guidelines for that page/board. I am not ignorant or stupid, but I don't cruise the raglm boards for my political information. I prefer an unbiased opinion. Thank you.

I mean no disrespect, I just don't agree: I couldn't disagree more with Michael D's post on nearly every point. Perhaps Michael should should consider inviting the 'illegal' bus to his house, unload 50 kids (many with various diseases), put them up in the garage and pay the bills to feed and care for them. But I don't think the neighbors would put up with it. I stand solidly with the protesters in Menifee wanting to protect their community and children.

Need to be informed on the issue. The Administrations stated goal is to reunite these people with their families, that means go get them too. Secondly, we can not be the worlds police or take care of the worlds children. We are broke we don't even take care of our soldiers. Third, you are hearing and seeing children because that's what they want you to see, they are the minority, teens and young adults are the majority. What kind of parent sends their child on a dangerous journey like that anyhow? There are a lot of very cruddy places on earth, should we take all those kids too? Who's paying for that? Next thing we will be a third world country and wont be able to feed, clothe, or take care of ourselves. I don't think God wants that, I was raised Christian also and this is the way I see it. It is impossible to right every wrong, and very expensive to try.

Shame on those in Murrieta who blocked the humanitarian relocation of those children. You would have these refugees subject themselves to the suffering they would face when they are blocked at our border? I am a Christian and will not support those evil people who would show such hatred toward these people.

Don't misunderstand me, I like kids I have a 3 year old son. Does anyone else find it disturbing the rush to take care of other peoples illegal "kids" while we can't/wont take care of our true real life hero's?

Thanks to all the Obama voters. You've led the way in desimating America. Every illegal, regardles of age, should be deported today. Don't give me the 'children' game. Every illegal deported. May God save Murrieta and all of our area.