obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, make sure that poorer americans have less access to food, housing and jobs. Oh and cut access to womens health services for rich and poor alike. can't have them uppity broads thinking they're equal or anything!

Weaver95:obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, make sure that poorer americans have less access to food, housing and jobs. Oh and cut access to womens health services for rich and poor alike. can't have them uppity broads thinking they're equal or anything!

Weaver95:obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, make sure that poorer americans have less access to food, housing and jobs. Oh and cut access to womens health services for rich and poor alike. can't have them uppity broads thinking they're equal or anything!

Weaver95:obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, make sure that poorer americans have less access to food, housing and jobs. Oh and cut access to womens health services for rich and poor alike. can't have them uppity broads thinking they're equal or anything!

Still cracks me up that the GOP thinks they only need to wrap their regressive, plutocratic nonsense in a pretty package and everyone will flock to the polls to vote for them...

Been an unenrolled voter since the 90s... Originally registered as a Democratic voter, and had a brief dalliance with the Green Party in college. I end up voting for Democrats mostly because of the insanity of the GOP.

A large chunk of those independents are teatards who don't think the Republican party is conservative enough (which is insane on the face of it.). They'll vote straight ticket Republican when they're in the voting booth.

At some point, though, the strategy of "Yeah, we suck, but Democrat is literally Hitler" is going to burn out for the Republicans. No one votes for them because they like them, any more (even conservatives, who'd prefer deeper conservatism). I know Liberals don't like how centrist the Democratic party's gotten, but it feels like conservative hatred for Republicans is on a different scale

Gulper Eel:Republican identification fell to 25%, the lowest over that time span. At 31%, Democratic identification is unchanged from the last four years

In other words, 56% are still drinking nothing but red or blue kool-aid but will insist nonetheless on their independent-mindedness.

Meh. Are you going to vote for a party that's going to get you 10% of what you want and 10% of what you don't want, while keeping out 50% of what you really don't want? Or are you going to vote for a party that's going to get 0% of the votes in any level of government, regardless of how good their ideas are?

At the end of the day most of that 44% that identifies as "independent" is still going to vote for a major-party candidate.

yeegrek:A large chunk of those independents are teatards who don't think the Republican party is conservative enough (which is insane on the face of it.). They'll vote straight ticket Republican when they're in the voting booth.

The other chunk are the people who are Republicans but embarrassed to admit it in public.

MmmmBacon:TwoHead: The punch line comes when these Fark faux independents vote a straight R ticket the corporate media will tell us that "independent" voters are swinging towards the GOP.

From the article, these new-found Independents are leaning more to the Democratic side, though.

As long as they can find one independent who votes republican, The "liberal" media will report that the independent movement is full of people with traditional conservative values who disapprove of the tactics of the tea party.

Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

PanicMan:Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

The latest polls show the majority of Americans are not in favor of Obamacare. But I agree with you that most liberals support the bread and circus mentality.

I read TFH as "white Republican identification" and thought that's bullshiat. Then I reread it and still thought that's bullshiat. It looks like Republican identification was only around 30% in 1988. Is dropping 5% in a generation significant enough to say "oooh...the Republicans are in decline"? The Democrats lost that same amount in the same time-frame (and since 2008).

Danger Mouse:PanicMan: Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

The latest polls show the majority of Americans are not in favor of Obamacare. But I agree with you that most liberals support the bread and circus mentality.

And those latest polls (which you haven't provided) are meaningless in comparison to an overwhelming majority of Americans support a great deal of individual parts of ACA. It is the branding, rancor and vitriol from the right (mostly lies) that have the idea of Obamacare leaving a bad taste in their mouths.

Now, SHOW ME a poll of Americans who have a high understanding of ACA and what is / isn't, then show me their favorability.

Because anything else is pointless because of how poisoned the well is.

Just remember to handicap any Gallup Poll 2-3 pts +GOP bias/ 2-3pts -Dem bias , and you actually have to Dems up by as much as 10-15 pts.

And when you calculate the American peoples' enduring Nixon shenanigans, with Reagan shenanigans , with Bush/Cheney shenanigans , and you pretty much have a Party that the American people are beginning to realize LIES as a matter of Policy, while they do the Bidding, from soup to nuts, of the Uber Rich. All the caricatures of the GOP turn out to be true. They are heartless,sycophantic,cravenly greedy and unabashedly CONcerned only with the Rich getting Richer.

They think that St Ronald single handedly defeated Communism, and THAT gave the rich and greedy a free hand to pick at the carcass of the once broad American middle class, and that there would be no longer a large mass of people who would eventually rise up out of genuine frustration and sharpen the Guillotine. They , the GOP CONtinues along that path at their clueless peril.

And then yesterday they trot out the likes of Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, and Marco Rubio to address the poverty issue by basically tell the poor they just need to get more bootstrappy and work harder...what a bunch of Fuq'ing Putzes

Danger Mouse:PanicMan: Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

The latest polls show the majority of Americans are not in favor of Obamacare. But I agree with you that most liberals support the bread and circus mentality.

As opposed to the "make poor people fight in the arena for real citizens amusement" mentality of t" so called conservatives?

Cheron:Weaver95: obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, make sure that poorer americans have less access to food, housing and jobs. Oh and cut access to womens health services for rich and poor alike. can't have them uppity broads thinking they're equal or anything!

after that laser like focus on jobs for sure

They already have a laser like focus on jobs; they are using their laser in an attempt to destroy anyone who does not have a job.

coeyagi:Danger Mouse: PanicMan: Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

The latest polls show the majority of Americans are not in favor of Obamacare. But I agree with you that most liberals support the bread and circus mentality.

And those latest polls (which you haven't provided) are meaningless in comparison to an overwhelming majority of Americans support a great deal of individual parts of ACA. It is the branding, rancor and vitriol from the right (mostly lies) that have the idea of Obamacare leaving a bad taste in their mouths.

Now, SHOW ME a poll of Americans who have a high understanding of ACA and what is / isn't, then show me their favorability.

Because anything else is pointless because of how poisoned the well is.

Sigh.Typical reply. I am seeing a pattern with you, when ever I ask you for stats or to prove somehting you disappear, or reply back with name calling. But yea, here's the polls.

You could learn to google yourself and come back with inteligent answers rather than your cookie cutter responses. But here are the polls that show the majority of Americans don't support the ACA... and just because you say so, no they are not pointless. LoL.

Danger Mouse:PanicMan: Even if you were dead set against the ACA (I don't see why but lets run with it), at some point you have to stop beating a dead horse. Hey Republicans, here's a free tip: all people want is a job that lets them take care of their family, and a bit of spending money to have some fun. Do this and you'll get voters back.

The latest polls show the majority of Americans are not in favor of Obamacare. But I agree with you that most liberals support the bread and circus mentality.

Who the f*ck cares about polls? Americans are stupid and poll questions are easy to manipulate. And it's not just liberals. Everyone needs jobs.

Arkanaut:At the end of the day most of that 44% that identifies as "independent" is still going to vote for a major-party candidate.

Some of us registered Greens still end up voting mostly for Democratic candidates because Greens either aren't running local candidates or they run batshiat crazy people at the national level. But when they do run good candidates, I vote for them. I have been known to support good Republican candidates (like Terri Lynn Land when she was MI's SOS) or some Libertarian Party people. Never voted for a Constitution Party candidate though, because they are as crazy or crazier than the crazy GP candidates.