East is East and West is West...

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East is East and West is West...

I got this via email so don't kill this messenger...I am just a bearer of bad news today....

This should stretch your thinking. NO MATTER WHEN BUT SOMETIME THEY WILL KILL YOU DEAD.......

And WHAT is the President of the United States ??? Whose side is he REALLY ON ??? We need to keep that in our MIND !!!

This is not new information, but it is something that every one of us needs to learn to accept, before it's too late!

Shortly before we got into Afghanistan, I became friendly with a Pakistani Muslim gun dealer.

One day at a show in Ft. Worth I asked him, “What will it take to stop the fighting between Christians and Muslims?”

His answer was,

“Until there are no living Christians or Jews left in the world who have not accepted Allah and the Muslim faith, there will be war between us.”

Major General Jerry Curry , USA, Ret. (Published 7:12 AM 01/28/2012)
He has several pages in Google when you enter his name.

The great British poet Rudyard Kipling, understanding today’s situation in Afghanistan better than our State Department wrote,

“I have eaten your bread and salt. I have drunk your water and wine. The deaths ye died I have watched beside. And the lives ye led were mine.”

There are two points the President and the Secretaries of State and Defense may want to keep in mind as they evaluate future problems in the Middle East and how to successfully address them.

Both are easiest illustrated by real life happenings.

Point One:

Many years ago I attended the Infantry officer Advanced Course at Fort Benning, Georgia. Probably ten percent of the students attending that ten month course of instruction were from foreign countries. For about half of the course my tablemate was an Arab.

We studied together, completed homework assignments together, got to know each other’s families and generally enjoyed each other’s company. Part of that time we students were immersed in reading about, researching and discussing wars and problems of the Middle East.

By this time my Arab classmate and I had, I thought, become close friends. A question popped into my mind and without evaluating it I said, “I have a question to ask you, but you may find it a little impertinent . . . or, perhaps, offensive.”

“That’s quite alright,” he replied. “We know each other well enough to be honest with each other. So go ahead and ask your question.”

“Well,” I began. “Each time you Arabs start a war with Israel, they beat your socks off. Why don’t you learn your lesson and quit making war on them?”

The words hadn’t passed my lips before I knew that I shouldn’t have asked that particular question. But I was wrong. My Arab officer friend didn’t get angry. He didn’t even think before replying.

“My dear friend,” he said in his British accent, “You are absolutely right. Each time we attack the Israelis they whip our asses. But have you noticed that with each loss we get better. We get whipped not as badly as in the war before.”

Then he got a faraway look in his eyes, pounded on the table and said, “Sometime in the next thousand years … we will win!”

Up until then I had never thought in terms of a thousand years, and I don’t think I’m very good at it today. But for those formulating foreign and defense policy for the nation, it is worth making the effort. For it is difficult to think in terms of the immediate future while negotiating with a nation whose leaders are thinking in terms of hundreds or thousands of years.

Point Two:

During the first Gulf War U.S. and Arab forces fought side by side and some of the officers became close friends. When the war ended in victory there was a celebration in the officer’s club with everyone congratulating each other. A lot of handshaking and hugging was going on. It was a time of displaying real brotherly love. Seeing this, one of the senior Arab generals felt the need to set the record straight.

“Look,” he said to a small cluster of American generals. “We have fought together and some of us have died together. I know you feel that that makes us brothers. But that is not the way it is in my world.”

He looked around the circle making eye contact with all of them. “I don’t want to see you hurt so I need to share this with you. There will be no tomorrow for us jointly. No matter how much you have helped my country — and you came and helped us when we desperately needed your help — and no matter how friendly you feel toward us, we are still Muslims and you are still Christians. That means that in our eyes, we can never be brothers. I’m sorry but, to us, you will always be – Infidels!”

And so we Infidels have liberated Iraq and Afghanistan, but we have not made their countries nor their people depositories of freedom and liberty.

No matter how hard we work to rebuild their governments, infrastructure, educational and medical institutions, and no matter how desperately they need our help — as the Arab general pointedly noted — we can never be brothers to each other.

Also, I learned what Kipling meant when he wrote, “East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

He was pointing out to the western world . . . that to Muslims, we Christians will always be infidels!

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia...Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Now we all have the correct mindset...that the Jewish/Islamic conflict is not new but very old, as are the conflicts between Muslims themselves. Actually about 5000 years old.

I have known much of what is said and implied in the email for a couple of decades, actually since about 1987 when I worked at Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), one of the few main places that counter-terrorism thought was taking place at the time. For years I asked myself "why". It was kind of slow in coming but it finally hit me last year, in a Bible study class, we were studying Genesis. I apologize for the Bible/history lesson:

If you didn't know, Muslims also consider Abraham the father of their people. They are descended from Ishmael, Abraham's first son, mothered by Hagar, Sarah's Egyptian servant. An angel of the Lord told Hagar when she ran away from Sarah during her pregnancy (Gen 16 NRSV):

7 The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, slave-girl of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?" She said, "I am running away from my mistress Sarai." 9 The angel of the Lord said to her, "Return to your mistress, and submit to her." 10 The angel of the Lord also said to her, "I will so greatly multiply your offspring that they cannot be counted for multitude." 11 And the angel of the Lord said to her, "Now you have conceived and shall bear a son; you shall call him Ishmael, for the Lord has given heed to your affliction. 12 He shall be a wild ass of a man, with his hand against everyone, and everyone's hand against him; and he shall live at odds with all his kin.

And He told Abraham (Gen 17 NRSV):

20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

So God told Hagar that Ishmael, as the wild donkey, would always prefer the desert and would never be tamed or domesticated. He told Abraham that Ismael would have 12 sons and God would also make Ishmael's descendants a great nation. (He also promised Abraham the same about Issac's descendants) He also told Hagar that Ishmael and his descendants would always be fighting with both everyone else and with each other.

Ishmael did have 12 sons, and they became tribal chiefs ruling the area between Assyria and the Egyptian border (Which comprises much of the northern Arabian peninsula, from the Sinai to Syria including part of Iraq.) Muhammad is a descendant of Ismael's second son, Kedar, whose tribe eventually controlled the entire northern Arabian peninsula from the Sinai to the Persian Gulf) The descendants of Ishmael's sons are pretty much today's Arabic people, intermarrying with and/or destroying most of the other people in the area over the millenia.

Another thing that I have known for many years, (From a Christian/Jewish point of view) the Qur'an is pretty much an alternate version of the Old Testament/Tanakh (original Hebrew Bible) The Muslims believe that rather than Issac, Allah sends an angel to stop Abraham from sacrificing Ishmael on Mount Moriah, they later head to Mecca to rebuild an altar that had been built by their ancestor Adam. (the identity of the son is not mentioned in the Qur'an) Moses is in the Qur'an, as are many of the prophets, and Jesus (who is believed to be a prophet, and also a descendant of Kedar).

SO anyway, while we were studying Genesis, and my mind was being refreshed in the story of Abraham, it hit me. I finally realized why the Muslims hate the Jews and Christians so much. Because as long as the Jewish and Christian religions exist, Islam is a lie. They must destroy us to protect the integrity of their beliefs.

Until this is believed and understood, we will waste our time with friendship, negotiations, compromises, etc, of these people who want to...no....who MUST destroy us. How do we know which Muslims feel this way and which don't? I suppose that we will not find out until the balloon goes up. Whichever Muslims don't try to put a bullet in your head are the ones that can probably be trusted (though it could mean merely that they have run out of bullets). That may be a little late though.

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Also, I have often wondered about the Muslims who live here, do THEY hate us? If they do, how can so many of them hide it so well, I assume that most are not trained terrorists. Most people that hate someone have a hard time hiding it.

The gas station/convenience store in the little town I live in was bought by a Yemeni father and son. I only go there if I am out of gas and can't make it to the nearby city, but my wife buys cigarettes and soda there, and have become friendly with the owners. One morning she was there waiting to check out, the son and the father were speaking to each other in their language. (I assume Arabic, but whatever they speak in Yemen) After a few minutes, she tapped on the counter with her debit card and laughingly said "you need to be speaking English, this is America."

The son looked at her with a smile/smirk and said, "This IS the new American!", then laughed.

It really didn't hit her until she was on the way home....the look in his eyes said that he was serious.

Hate is a dangerous thing. It's not something we are born with. It has to be taught. Education or the lack of education, can be a double edge sword. The post Mom put up kind of tells the mind set, the hate runs very deep. These people that refuse to accept peace will never be satisfied. They will fight and kill the infidel until they are all gone. Doesn't matter how many thousand years it takes. When they have no more infidels left they will turn on their own and kill them. History has shown in the ares they have succeeded is removing all Christians they will turn on other Muslims because in their mindset these people are not Muslim enough and so it goes.

Now you make me wonder Fuhr, if my primary care doctor is instead killing me slowly.... She is soooo nice to me and to everyone she meets. She is very well liked at Barnes-Jewish Hospital. She looks too western to even be a Muslim if you do not know... Think she is biding her time? hmmm....

Wow that's kind of scary Mom. She must be one cool customer to be a Muslim working in a Jewish Hospital. But then maybe through her education she has learned that life is far more important than hate and death. At any rate use caution and be safe.

Thanks Fuhr...She is most well liked by her peers at Barnes-Jewish. My husband and I haven't met anyone (including patients) that have never known her that didn't like her because she puts in time with all her patients. When we go see her and our appointment is for half an hour, sometimes she becomes chatty or too caring for our well-being that she goes beyond the half hour. Our American doctors (specialists) she recommended us to never take that time sometimes less but charges us for an hour's visits for a 5 minute audience. She is a proponent of the 2nd Amendment too. It is a pity now that she will only be our primary care doctor until August 1 as her husband, a heart specialist will be moving up the ladder and they (and their two sons) will be moving out of state. Had she run out of bullets and waiting it out too? We will never know now...