kjsmason2010

clintone wrote:For my own understanding, what's wrong with a sateen weave? What are the alternatives and what makes them preferable?

There are basically three weaves for sheets percale, sateen and batiste. Percale is a one under, one over weave. Percale can be soft or crisp depending on the finish and is more breathable than sateen. Sateen is a four over, one under weave which is shinier and softer. Batiste is a one over, one under weave with a fine yarn and is rough. So you either want a percale or sateen sheet and that really depends on what you prefer. I like the sateen weave personally.

countdown

clintone wrote:For my own understanding, what's wrong with a sateen weave? What are the alternatives and what makes them preferable?

A lot of people quoted the technical aspect. For what its worth, here is my subjective 2 cents.

The alternative to Sateen is just a "plain" weave. Sateen sheets are known for having a similar feel to satin or silk (hence the name). Some people (myself included) find satin/silk/sateen to feel "slippery". At least that is the most frequent complaint I hear (and is the complaint I have about it).

Plain weave sheets are closer to "jersey" cotton in terms of slipperiness. But they dont stretch like jersey, so they dont feel as clingy. They are also more durable than jersey.

kjsmason2010

ThunderThighs wrote:But these are Egyptian Cotton Sateen. Where does that fit in their comparison.

Signed,
Confused.

Let me help ya'll clear this up. There are different types of cotton. Egyptian cotton just has a fine, long staple, meaning the fibers are long. That makes a softer fabric when woven. Sateen is just the weave-see my previous post.

clintone

ThunderThighs wrote:But these are Egyptian Cotton Sateen. Where does that fit in their comparison.

Signed,
Confused.

After getting off my lazy rear end, I started looking up the different kinds of sheets. From what I could gather, it seems the overstock definition blurred two distinct features-type of cotton and weave. Within the type of cotton, you've got Egyptian, pima, and American Upland. A separate feature is the weave-sateen, percale, and oxford. Thanks to Martha Stewart: http://www.marthastewart.com/270671/choosing-cotton-sheets

Regardless, for the thread count this seems a pretty good deal. I bought 700tc Egyptian sateeen from BB&B that were fairly well discounted for more than this. My problem is that I use threadcount as the main consideration. I didn't realize there may be an inherent inferiority of one weave versus another. I figured percale vs. sateen was more a personal preference.

ThunderThighs

clintone wrote:After getting off my lazy rear end, I started looking up the different kinds of sheets. From what I could gather, it seems the overstock definition blurred two distinct features-type of cotton and weave. Within the type of cotton, you've got Egyptian, pima, and American Upland. A separate feature is the weave-sateen, percale, and oxford. Thanks to Martha Stewart: http://www.marthastewart.com/270671/choosing-cotton-sheets

Regardless, for the thread count this seems a pretty good deal. I bought 700tc Egyptian sateeen from BB&B that were fairly well discounted for more than this. My problem is that I use threadcount as the main consideration. I didn't realize there may be an inherent inferiority of one weave versus another. I figured percale vs. sateen was more a personal preference.

That's what I got from their explanation. Didn't make sense to assume that sateen wasn't Egyptian cotton.

ElGuappo

The description doesn't say and it is difficult to tell from the pictures, but if these are mercerised they will be less durable but will start off shiny and crisp looking, and make excellent drape material.

Just in case anyone bought the little singer machine and is wondering what a good easy project might be.

LightSpiral

Although I've not seen any naysayers comments on the thread thus far, typically the people critical of Egyptian Cotton (EC) saying it's overrated are undoubtedly people who were tricked into buying blends. There are plenty of tricksy marketers out there that slap "Egyptian Cotton" on their product front and center when the product only contains a small amount of EC woven with lesser cottons.

I love pure EC (sateen and percale, though mine are usually sateen) and have been slumbering splendidly on it for decades!

thumperchick

clintone wrote:For my own understanding, what's wrong with a sateen weave? What are the alternatives and what makes them preferable?

Others have given you the technical specs- so I'll just give you my opinion.
Sateen weaves feel good in the package, and then are slippery and more likely fall off the dang bed in the night. Also, for some unknown reason, my husband will beat the daylights out of sateen sheets - but not percale. Heck we can make cheap, boring old walmart sheets last a few years, but not sateen.

So for us - we're mean to our sheets in our sleep, and sateen needs a gentler hand.

darenka

ThunderThighs wrote:But these are Egyptian Cotton Sateen. Where does that fit in their comparison.

Signed,
Confused.

-- Folks at Overstock are clueless. I used to sell cameras at K-Mart with a similar knowledge base; very little. If it's a general store (Wal-mart, Target, Overstock... ) the guides and sales people are not very reliable. Always seek a second opinion, or more.

perrysticc

These may be a good deal, but not a great deal. Tuesday Morning has a queen 800TC Egyptian Cotton Sateen Sheet Set for $10 less. Colors are different, and I'm not including shipping, so it's not a direct comparison, but FYI:

pseudogourmet98

garthsworld wrote:Queen, King, and California King only? Have you forgotten about the millions of adults like myself who live in big cities and small apartments and who have Full sized beds?

And don't forget the thousands (millions??) of teenagers who will soon be going off to college for the first time. Some quality (i.e. not the ones Wal-Mart sells) XL twin sets would sell very well here. Any chance of seeing this?

fuzi719

wpolyak wrote:From Wikipedia:
The sateen structure is four over, one under, placing the most threads on the surface, making it extremely soft, though slightly less durable than other weaves.

I've had similar Egyptian Cotton sheets for 2 years and they've held up pretty good.

I prefer a sateen weave. I have several sets of high TC sateen sheets that have gone through many, many washings. They are still soft and look great. The youngest set is over 3 years old, so I consider them very durable.

jcmoorman

perrysticc wrote:These may be a good deal, but not a great deal. Tuesday Morning has a queen 800TC Egyptian Cotton Sateen Sheet Set for $10 less. Colors are different, and I'm not including shipping, so it's not a direct comparison, but FYI:

jlagraff

Can anyone here offer a comparison of Egyptian cotton vs Bamboo of similar TC and weave? I've never felt Egyptian cotton before and two years ago when my wife ordered bamboo I thought it sounded crazy. Boy was I wrong, they feel almost like silk to me except that silk would be to slippery for my tastes. I can't speak to durability of bamboo other than after 2 years they still seem almost like new.

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