I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

The evidence presented by the police to explain them not charging him really strains my natural inclination to believe the accuser."I was drunk and incoherent!""Not according to the clean toxicology report taken immediately after."

factoryconnection:The evidence presented by the police to explain them not charging him really strains my natural inclination to believe the accuser."I was drunk and incoherent!""Not according to the clean toxicology report taken immediately after."

Hmmm...

I really haven't followed it but it may have been she was cool with him hitting 2 out of 3 holes, but he got greedy and forced it over the middle to the tight end.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

She has to settle on a single conspiracy to allege -- she came up with about six at her lunatic press conference -- to explain in detail the whole conspiracy.

She's hoping it's more hassle than it's worth to TPD and Winston, and that one or both will just throw money at it. Hopefully they don't throw money at them, because the combination of her clown shoes lawyer making unfathomably stupid statements and the actual evidence likely means the accuser gets completely destroyed.

Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?

Because we hear so much about football players all the time. There's no evidence to suggest that these men rape at a higher percentage than the public at large. There's just a whole lot more news coverage of them.

change1211:Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?

The combination of the fact that football players (like people in all segments of society) DO rape women on occasion, and the fact that their deep pockets make them easy targets for nebulous accusations where in many cases it makes sense for the player to settle with the family rather than having their name driven through the mud, thanks to bullshiat rape shield laws.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

She has to settle on a single conspiracy to allege -- she came up with about six at her lunatic press conference -- to explain in detail the whole conspiracy.

She's hoping it's more hassle than it's worth to TPD and Winston, and that one or both will just throw money at it. Hopefully they don't throw money at them, because the combination of her clown shoes lawyer making unfathomably stupid statements and the actual evidence likely means the accuser gets completely destroyed.

Yeah, If I were her lawyer a) I'd STFU and b) I wouldn't want to push this towards a court date. My client could get eviscerated in front of a jury.

change1211:Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?

Because the players are famous, causing it to gain more attention than *random college student* doing the same thing?

If you mean as opposed to other sports - I'm not sure we really hear that many less in non-football sports among the professionals. Although there is a much lower number of foreign players in football than baseball, so some of the "statistically expected" rape cases there happen in other countries, and only sort of trickle back to our media. In the last couple years there have been a couple MLB related incidents though (Jose Canseco and Starlin Castro are two I can think of off the top of my head, I seem to remember a couple people in trouble in their home countries, but not specifically enough to remember names/google it). Among the Amateur and Minor Leagues though, NCAA players have a tremendously large profile in football compared to the Minor Leagues or NCAA baseball, so only when the case is (apparently) egregious like an entire team being accused of rape (Duke Lacrosse) does the country take notice. I know too little of basketball to speculate there other than Kobe to Big Ben seem to be approximately the same time period, suggesting a roughly equal rate of incidence?

1/6 of women have experienced rape or attempted rape. If you look at just college aged women it's 1/4. So, much like that song from Love Actually, rape is all around you. We just don't pay attention unless one of the parties is worth a TMZ headline.

WhyKnot:I didn't follow the case...so in the court of public opinion on fark, did he rape her?

from the comments in the article, it looks like the only she has been consistent about is changing stories...multiple dna sources...etc.

Rape jokes aside, everybody who read the actual evidence was pretty confident it was consensual. Girl had four different stories, none of which matched anything in the physical evidence. Winston and the eye witnesses had one story that was completely consistent with the physical evidence. Quick rundown:

First she told the friend -- who is the one who called the cops -- that she'd been hit on the head at PotBelly's (local bar), blacked out, was taken to an apartment and vaginally raped.

Second, when the cops arrived, she claimed to have had a few drinks and been given "a shot" by a stranger, blacked out, was taken to apartment and vaginally raped.

(At this point, the warning bells are, of course, already going off in the cops' heads, but they kept going.)

Third, she told the cops she shared a few drinks with her friends, took a few shots, blacked out, was taken to the apartment and vaginally raped.

Fourth, she told a friend she'd been hit on the head at a party (not the bar), blacked out, blahblahblah.

So we have (1) hit on the head at the bar, (2) drugged, (3) really drunk, and (4) hit on the head at a party. All involved blacking out, the apartment, and vaginal rape. Her lawyer then informs the cops that she doesn't want to pursue it further but will let the cops know if she changes her mind.

Problems: Hospital report showed no sign of head trauma. Blood/toxicology work showed no drugs (her lawyer even demanded they re-check it). DNA suggested oral and anal sex, not vaginal, and it found DNA from her boyfriend as well (who was on campus visiting her at the time). And blood/toxicology work showed her BAC was about .1 at the time of the incident -- not even close to high enough to cause blackouts (needs to be about double that), but consistent with the state her friends described her in (happy, relaxed).

Her friend also testified that the accuser had asked her if she should go home with Winston.

IAmRight:meanmutton: change1211: Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?

Young men rape a lot of young women. Some of those young men happen to play football.

Also, football players tend to get to f*ck a lot more women, so they might be more inclined to believe that everyone wants to f*ck them, whether they say so or not.

Really, among anyone in the center-of-the world entitled group. It would be interesting, sad but interesting, to compare the rates between the entitlement of center-of-the-world football players to center-of-the-world legacy frats. My cousin was in a douchebro frat, and the stories he tells certainly start to explain those depressingly high rape incidences among 18-24 year olds - although I'd guess most wouldn't be reported.

Cymbal:factoryconnection: The evidence presented by the police to explain them not charging him really strains my natural inclination to believe the accuser."I was drunk and incoherent!""Not according to the clean toxicology report taken immediately after."

Hmmm...

I really haven't followed it but it may have been she was cool with him hitting 2 out of 3 holes, but he got greedy and forced it over the middle to the tight end.

Tiberius Gracchus:Really, among anyone in the center-of-the world entitled group. It would be interesting, sad but interesting, to compare the rates between the entitlement of center-of-the-world football players to center-of-the-world legacy frats. My cousin was in a douchebro frat, and the stories he tells certainly start to explain those depressingly high rape incidences among 18-24 year olds - although I'd guess most wouldn't be reported.

True enough.

Obviously it's not like I've done research on it, but it seems likely to be true.

flynn80:Cymbal: I really haven't followed it but it may have been she was cool with him hitting 2 out of 3 holes, but he got greedy and forced it over the middle to the tight end.

I get the impression that they hooked up and she thought she was going to become his girlfriend but he just wanted to get laid.

I got the impression that she had a consensual one night stand with him, then made up the story about being raped to keep her friends from thinking she was a slut. If you look at the story she told her friend after she got home, she was hit over the head by an unknown person and taken to an unknown location and raped, it is pretty obvious that is what happened. She probably thought everybody would say "Poor baby" and that would be it, but things just snowballed out of her control.

Tiberius Gracchus:Really, among anyone in the center-of-the world entitled group. It would be interesting, sad but interesting, to compare the rates between the entitlement of center-of-the-world football players to center-of-the-world legacy frats. My cousin was in a douchebro frat, and the stories he tells certainly start to explain those depressingly high rape incidences among 18-24 year olds - although I'd guess most wouldn't be reported.

Going by my time at FSU, I'd be stunned if frats didn't "win" that in a landslide, if for no other reason than (1) the frats partied harder and (2) most of the girls the football players were girls who liked screwing football players.

ongbok:I got the impression that she had a consensual one night stand with him, then made up the story about being raped to keep her friends from thinking she was a slut. If you look at the story she told her friend after she got home, she was hit over the head by an unknown person and taken to an unknown location and raped, it is pretty obvious that is what happened. She probably thought everybody would say "Poor baby" and that would be it, but things just snowballed out of her control.

Sort of. My suspicion is that she didn't want the Kent State boyfriend to think she'd cheated on him. He was also a football player, and it wouldn't shock me if he knew guys on the team from high school ball.

RickyWilliams'sBong:ongbok: I got the impression that she had a consensual one night stand with him, then made up the story about being raped to keep her friends from thinking she was a slut. If you look at the story she told her friend after she got home, she was hit over the head by an unknown person and taken to an unknown location and raped, it is pretty obvious that is what happened. She probably thought everybody would say "Poor baby" and that would be it, but things just snowballed out of her control.

Sort of. My suspicion is that she didn't want the Kent State boyfriend to think she'd cheated on him. He was also a football player, and it wouldn't shock me if he knew guys on the team from high school ball.

RickyWilliams'sBong:ongbok: I got the impression that she had a consensual one night stand with him, then made up the story about being raped to keep her friends from thinking she was a slut. If you look at the story she told her friend after she got home, she was hit over the head by an unknown person and taken to an unknown location and raped, it is pretty obvious that is what happened. She probably thought everybody would say "Poor baby" and that would be it, but things just snowballed out of her control.

Sort of. My suspicion is that she didn't want the Kent State boyfriend to think she'd cheated on him. He was also a football player, and it wouldn't shock me if he knew guys on the team from high school ball.

I thought of that also. What turned me away from that was how quick she called her friend to set up the rape story. It really does seem like a situation were pretty soon after they had sex she had the "Awe shiat, they are going to think I'm a slut" moment, and decided to head it off as quickly as possible. I think if she did it to explain away her cheating to her boyfriend, she wouldn't have made up the story so soon after, it would have came up once he questioned her about having sex with him or when it seemed like it was about to get out.

ongbok:RickyWilliams'sBong: ongbok: I got the impression that she had a consensual one night stand with him, then made up the story about being raped to keep her friends from thinking she was a slut. If you look at the story she told her friend after she got home, she was hit over the head by an unknown person and taken to an unknown location and raped, it is pretty obvious that is what happened. She probably thought everybody would say "Poor baby" and that would be it, but things just snowballed out of her control.

Sort of. My suspicion is that she didn't want the Kent State boyfriend to think she'd cheated on him. He was also a football player, and it wouldn't shock me if he knew guys on the team from high school ball.

I thought of that also. What turned me away from that was how quick she called her friend to set up the rape story. It really does seem like a situation were pretty soon after they had sex she had the "Awe shiat, they are going to think I'm a slut" moment, and decided to head it off as quickly as possible. I think if she did it to explain away her cheating to her boyfriend, she wouldn't have made up the story so soon after, it would have came up once he questioned her about having sex with him or when it seemed like it was about to get out.

I just talked to a lawyer friend of mine about this. He said that the suit against Winston will probably be dropped. The reason is that because the accuser is going to have to get on the stand and testify to what happened. She is also going to have to explain her other stories of what happened, and this will destroy her.

However her suit against TPD will more than likely end up with her getting a settlement in the 5 figures. The reason for this is that if this goes to trial they will have to explain their investigative process, it may be possible that her lawyer will bring up other cases like this from the past, and this is something most departments don't want to explain. Also they are going to have to explain why they didn't send it to the prosecutor, which they explained, but they are going to have to rely on people believing their explanation. Also they are going to have to fight the perception that many people have that no matter what, even if they believe he is innocent or guilty, that this case should have been decided by a jury, and he should have been arrested and charged. So for those reasons he said that this would be messy for TPD to take to trial and they are going to give her a "go away" settlement.

ongbok:I just talked to a lawyer friend of mine about this. He said that the suit against Winston will probably be dropped. The reason is that because the accuser is going to have to get on the stand and testify to what happened. She is also going to have to explain her other stories of what happened, and this will destroy her.

However her suit against TPD will more than likely end up with her getting a settlement in the 5 figures. The reason for this is that if this goes to trial they will have to explain their investigative process, it may be possible that her lawyer will bring up other cases like this from the past, and this is something most departments don't want to explain. Also they are going to have to explain why they didn't send it to the prosecutor, which they explained, but they are going to have to rely on people believing their explanation. Also they are going to have to fight the perception that many people have that no matter what, even if they believe he is innocent or guilty, that this case should have been decided by a jury, and he should have been arrested and charged. So for those reasons he said that this would be messy for TPD to take to trial and they are going to give her a "go away" settlement.

Yep. Working in civil law (although not, mercifully, as a lawyer), I'd say that's a pretty good bet on the their thinking.

ongbok:I just talked to a lawyer friend of mine about this. He said that the suit against Winston will probably be dropped. The reason is that because the accuser is going to have to get on the stand and testify to what happened. She is also going to have to explain her other stories of what happened, and this will destroy her.

However her suit against TPD will more than likely end up with her getting a settlement in the 5 figures. The reason for this is that if this goes to trial they will have to explain their investigative process, it may be possible that her lawyer will bring up other cases like this from the past, and this is something most departments don't want to explain. Also they are going to have to explain why they didn't send it to the prosecutor, which they explained, but they are going to have to rely on people believing their explanation. Also they are going to have to fight the perception that many people have that no matter what, even if they believe he is innocent or guilty, that this case should have been decided by a jury, and he should have been arrested and charged. So for those reasons he said that this would be messy for TPD to take to trial and they are going to give her a "go away" settlement.

I'd be somewhat surprised if they went after FSU. (Only somewhat rather than very, because the accuser's attorney is pretty clearly an all-world terrible lawyer. If she manages to get a settlement with TPD, I'll be impressed. There's a reason this woman is an ambulance-chaser in Dade City and not a real attorney.) I know they've made some noise about FSU, but TPD has clearly been the focus for the accuser's attorney the whole time.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

That press conference sounded like a fresh law grad or some conspiracy nut was giving her information. I fail to see how she can even hope to win any lawsuit with the lack of evidence.

kronicfeld:What a conundrum for Fark: a woman is accusing a man of rape, so she must be a lying conniving whore, but he's a prominent black college football player, so he must be an awful, corrupt criminal.

Or you can look at the evidence and realize she's a lying coont covering up she had a one night stand with a player.

kronicfeld:What a conundrum for Fark: a woman is accusing a man of rape, so she must be a lying conniving whore, but he's a prominent black college football player, so he must be an awful, corrupt criminal.

flynn80:Cymbal: I really haven't followed it but it may have been she was cool with him hitting 2 out of 3 holes, but he got greedy and forced it over the middle to the tight end.

I get the impression that they hooked up and she thought she was going to become his girlfriend but he just wanted to get laid.

This. Then decided to seek revenge by crying "rape".

I wish the women who made these kinds of false accusations were subject to the same kind of trial in the media and potential punishments that the men who have to suffer them are. Men have few rights at all when accused of rape, and are immediately considered guilty until proven innocent -- and ALL WOMEN KNOW THIS. They can accuse with impunity and without fear of accountability.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

I'm sure it will be entertaining for her when her involvement with the cleat chasers and the fact that the famed panties had DNA samples from two different men from the same night comes out in court.

And by entertaining, I mean Winston will be laughing all the way out the front door of the court room.