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the QP sul was also my favorite but if you are expecting it to fly in the range you specified you did not do your homework the 4d will cover you though

I have to agree. I flew both today for the first time and wind started at basically 0. I had to move to keep the 4D in the air but then as it picked up the QP SUL took over handily when the frame was flexing on the 4D(minor flexing, still inside it's range. winds never got over 8 mph today). Mine didn't come with yo-yo stoppers (I got it used, need to fix that) but it handled everything I could throw at it (admittedly, that's not much, but I liked the feel while doing my limited repertoire )

The 4D isn't what I would call a "full size" kite but with both, you are definitely covered for zero to low winds...

The SUL was $319, so yes, I was out of my price range but the timing was right for going to the TOP of my range.

I have a 0-8mph kite already and love it. However it is 58". The 4D was bought to "replace" the current light wind kite because it is 58" and fast.

I wanted a light-0 wind BIG kite that was slow enought that I can learn stuff on. I emphasis was on the LARGE size, and that it will fly in light/low winds.

When I watch the other kiters in the area, they all have the 84-92" wingspan low wind kites and they are very manuverable. I would fly my little light wind 58"r and could not do much because it was all over the sky. Even the local expert said "if you can fly this thing you can fly anything". He recommended the Qpro SUL as #2 with the Fearless being #1.

I look forward to the 4D today. I hope that PRISM can deliver the QPro quickly as I am a Christmas Eve rather than Christmas DAY kinda guy.

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sorry jeep but i am missing something where is the large 0 wind kite you are refering to ? the QP is good at 3 and up at least for me otherwise it is a lot of work IMO dont get me wrong it is a great kite but the exile does that and more for less $$

I have the QPSUL and have flown it a bunch. Not really my cup of tea, but that's ok. Here's a trick for you:If you're out flying your QP and the wind drops to the point that its too much work, disconnect the outer standoffs and let them hang in the breeze (you did put CA on the caps, didnt you?). This will significantly increase forward drive at the expense of pitch based performance. The only thing you'll notice it in are rollups, which aren't the best idea with a delicate SUL anyway. Just something I discovered by accident and works well for me.

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