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I say BMW. I have been on an S1000RR on track and it was SWEET! I am used to riding a 2003 ZX6R on track and not unexpectedly (cause it was nine years newer at the time), the BMW was just worlds better. Damn those motorcycle development cycles.

That being said, I do agree with this:

"But most people would rather masturbate to magazine reviews than actually TRY a bike and make up their mind for their damn selves, and a maybe put a whopping $350 into a flash to completely transform its character."

I'm sick of people, specifically you, Making Shit Up (tm) to try to prove their point. I don't know why it's so fucking hard to just say something that's accurate, realistic, and to the point.

Bullshit again.

That's not "sharing what you paid" - that's implying that the OP can get a new bike for that, vs having to pay MSRP for a new BMW. It's not an accurate comparison. It's intellectually dishonest. It's bullshit.

Then every single number you cite is lowballed on the R1 side: throttle percentage, pricing (yes, I noticed that you backed up a $9K price with a $10K plus warranty price) - power gains. It's all bullshit - or at least so much of it is bullshit that it's not worth trying to pull out any kernel of truth from it.

Which people are you talking about? The OP? He just asked for input so he DIDN'T have to rely on reviews. Me? I don't care about R1s at all - why would I want to try one? Who are you ranting about? This is called a straw man argument - making up a position that nobody is espousing and beating the crap out of it. Again, intellectually dishonest.

Bullshit. How do you know that they would be a completely different story? Maybe they would rate the R1 differently - maybe they wouldn't. Maybe that fighting 4HP wouldn't be enough to change the relative position. Maybe if they gave every bike the opportunity to add warranty-revoking aftermarket mods, the R1 would still not win. And DAMN those magazine reviewers for quoting current year MSRP on all their bikes, instead of the local post-hurricane remainder price for just the R1!

Stop lying. Stop Making Shit Up (tm). Stop the bullshit. Stop the blustering. Can't you? Can't you just say what you like about the R1 without weaving some kind of oppressed-underdog-fairy-tale-conspiracy-nonsense story around it?

I've rode all the recent bikes and when you compare the R1 to the BMW stock it's night and day. Add the same mods to both and they aren't even on the same playing field. I love R1's being that was my first liter bike but, I won't mislead you and tell you a R1 can be a BMW without pumping a lot of money at it. A stock BMW is comparable to a R1 with motor work. I will leave it at that. Regardless, the R1 is a good bike but, it's just not a bike that you can compare to the BMW. A better comparison would be the new ZX-10R vs the BMW.

I think that whatever 1000 you get, you will be happy. I sent a lot of time riding my dads modded SV1000S. Compared to my ZX10R that thing is an absolute pig. Thing is, in 2007, my ZX10R wasn't the best bike out there by an means. Honestly, the big thing that made me want it, is the fact that it was considered to have a fantastic motor. The grin factor is all I really cared/care about. After all, I only own a motorcycle because its fun.

Why not just pick whichever bike you think you've lusted after more? Unless youre going to be swapping bikes a lot, it won't really matter how good or bad your bike is when compared with the rest. All the reviews say that ridden alone, each of the new 1000s are fantastic bikes...because they all are. Even though the R1 is one of the slower 1000s out there in stock form, it will still walk away from all but the most ridiculous super cars.

I dunno. I just think that its easy to be happy with any motorcycle you buy these days. I wanted an R1 for the longest time...but then I found a good deal on my ZX10R....and I have been completely satisfied with it. I love it.

Sorry guys, I mean no offense. I normally respect both your opinions, even when I disagree, but you guys reminded me of this:

Sure! Just don't miss that the below was my actual opinion/advice to the OP before the nonsense started:

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I think the more important differences would be the distinctive sound of the cross-plane R1, and the power delivery differences between the two bikes. Which of those appeal to you, and do you want ABS or not?

i think when asking whether which one to get in the first place doesnt make it a price war on mods. if you had a choice and price didnt matter why not start out with the bmw and then mod it. sure you could mod the r1 but the bmw is a better starting platform.

Price is always a matter even when people say it isn't. Otherwise he would go buy a custom one off bike setup to do whatever he could ever want it to do and form fitted to his posterior. I dream about that ever day lol. Something like a 1000cc two stroke from a sled in a carbon fiber frame. Traction control and wheelie control please.

Fine, if I'm "constantly" making stuff up, show me one other thread where that's the case. Not sure what the hell is your problem all of the sudden.

I'm probably a lot more helpful than most members here, and I always go out of my way to put out well written and thought-out posts with actual information.

Think I need a break from this place. Seriously, fuck you guys.

I personally do NOT want you to take a break from this place. Everyone should get the sand out of their vaginas and realize that everyone is entitled to an opinion and moreover we are NOT supposed to agree. That is the best damned thing in the world about this web site and in fact about the gold old USA. Stop being butthurt. I respect your opinions. I don't agree with you about the whole R1 v. BMW thing - but that does not mean I don't still respect the place it is coming from. Deal?

hm, multiple pages of LPMR presenting the logical opinion of "the R1 can be had cheaply if you look around and these are it's commonly cited issues _____________________, these issues can be fixed relatively cheaply, and still end up costing you less, if you shopped well, than the BMW."

and then everyone else going "NO, THIS IS THE INTERNET, EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE, FUCK YOU, I ADD A (tm) TO A COMMON FUCKING PHRASE SO IT'S COOL. I'M FUCKING COOL!".
No, you dolts. this is a question asked in the context of the real world. where MSRP doesn't matter a single goddamn bit (because idiots pay more than that, and smart, able-to-haggle-or-shop-people pay less than that), and cost fucking matters. everyone on the web likes to compare shit as if money is no object.
Uh, it is.
it always is.
even when someone SAYS it isn't, it is.
a leftover R1 for 9 grand?
unlikely, but possible.
a leftover BMW for 9 grand?
LAWL, not happening (not around me anyway!)

cost matters, so Brandon was attempting to put forth a cost concerned opinion.
thats it. No need to get your sack in a twist. Christ.
the bit about his list of former vehicles is put forth to show that's not some fanboy of "x" manufacturer. he buys whatever he wants/can, when it's found for cheap.
that's it. he was smarter than you and got a good deal on a good bike.
be done with it.

In the end, I'd go for the BMW anyway, since I think japanese dealerships suck compared to euro/italian ones anyway. plus, I like the look of it WAY more. AND my ability to haggle over price is fucking nonexistent anyway.

for reference:
Yami dealer here has 2 2011 R1s sittin there beside a couple of sleds waiting to be bought.
BMW dealer in stoon doesn't have a leftover S1000, that I know of.

Tapdancing on the Ragged Edge of Weird since 1992

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Just what a guy wants to know: that she spent ten years fucking every bad boy that gave her a moist-on and now she's "settling for him." Gee honey, thanks for letting me know how special I am to you.

Ita LPMR moment ,it will pass . He is doing one of his hissy fit jesus things . All is fine if he is spreading the word and operating his revolving garage church . Making statments having people thank his statment ,thanking the people for thanking his stament ,all in a big group blowjob session . But now and then some come who dont agree ,they dont thank, they poopoo the revolving garage as false worship !!!. LPMR then has a hissy fit ,makes some swears , maybe puts up some pics of his guns , reminds everyone he is 6ft4 and 240lbs , perhaps issues a "get off my laaaawwn" threat , withdraws his image from the walls of the revolving garage should the unworthy gaze upon it .. then he stomps off and goes quiet for a few weeks .Comes back once he thinks everyone has forgotten that someone questioned the words of gospel and the charter of the revolving garage ... All normal and amuses me much .