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Very few drafted classes are blessed with the likes of Luck, Griffin and Wilson, the last draft class I remember that strong was the class of 1983. I agree, if you can draft an Elway, you do it. It matters not Firm, I am going to pass on this forum anyhow, you may be right about Carson, I am just not ready to give up on him yet, enjoy the offseason!

If Allen is back, I'm already looking forward to another top 5 pick in the 2014 draft.

From what we have seen from Allen I do not see us ever getting more than 5 wins in a season.

The make up of the roster will be very different, if Allen has the same result, can him then. He deserves a shot, and a shot from this point on will be defined as a period of employment longer than one year.

We've had a string of one and done coaches with a very similar roster. It's time to find out if it really is the coaches fault.....

The make up of the roster will be very different, if Allen has the same result, can him then. He deserves a shot, and a shot from this point on will be defined as a period of employment longer than one year.

We've had a string of one and done coaches with a very similar roster. It's time to find out if it really is the coaches fault.....

The roster will be different. But I do no think we have a 4 win team. I blame the coach for the drop offs of certain players. DMC went from 5.4 ypc to 3.3. Kelly went from 7.5 sacks to 1.5. I do not blame the players. I blame the coach and his bad game plans.
He was the DC for the 24th ranked defense... Nothing about this guys says he is a winner. Plus, all stats aside, this was the most brutal season I've ever seen.

Positives on DA: Raiders onl;y have 99 penalties this year. They had 163 last year alone. That bodes well going into the future.

He'll have more toys via draft and FA to plug in as opposed to this year, and he's got year's experience as HC now.

I really like what he and Tarver can do for this defense going forward. A competent OC will change everything. We have a pretty good QB. He can be a pretty good mentor, too. Whether that's for Pryor or a guy drafted in 2014 I dunno. But I don't think anyone they'd try to replace him with would play better.

Positives on DA: Raiders onl;y have 99 penalties this year. They had 163 last year alone. That bodes well going into the future.

That's just penalties on the offense. 192 total penalties this season with 283 last season. MAJOR improvement in that regard. I like that we're keeping DA for this reason. We need to go back to PBS, draft Star, and switch to a 3-4, once we do this we should be good to go for next season. We may need some more LB depth and better CBs, but it's a start.

"I know one thing for sure; you won't be able to say that Braves fans don't care" Chipper Jones

That's just penalties on the offense. 192 total penalties this season with 283 last season. MAJOR improvement in that regard. I like that we're keeping DA for this reason. We need to go back to PBS, draft Star, and switch to a 3-4, once we do this we should be good to go for next season. We may need some more LB depth and better CBs, but it's a start.

No... the 163 is total penalties.

Oakland was penalized 109 times for 974 yards. Overall, the Raiders improved by 54 penalties and 382 yards in 2012.