"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."Vince Lombardi

When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

I am definitely NOT excusing Varlamov if he actually did beat and kidnap his girl, but from the one story I have encountered first hand and others I have heard about over the years, most of these "kidnapping and assault" charges the cops conjure up are BS and not at all what the name of the charges would have you think.

The plural of anecdote is not data. What happened to your friend is an absolute miscarriage of justice, but don't kid yourself into believing that what happened to him is the norm across the country, because it's not.

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I've had friends screwed over on both sides of the issue- abuse victims who weren't helped and also victims of a judicial system that can (emphasis on can) be so to-the-letter anal that a crime is prosecuted where none existed.

Considering that what everything I've heard is conflicting, I'll wait for the movie. (IOW wait to see how it ends and get the short version)

I still say people need to learn how to defend themselves. This is not in any way blaming the victims; it is merely noting that assaults occur and need to be handled. Although the legal system is there for dealing with things after the fact, a good weapon and/or self-defense class helps during the attack itself. It may not be advisable every time, but it's good to be prepared.

He did raise a good point at the very end about how this is an isolated incident compared to other sports where this seems to happen weekly, even to the point where the crimes are worse ala Hernadez

That's not the point though.. when things like this happen we shouldn't think of "varlamov the athlete" & only compare the incident to other athletes.. he's a person like any of us and what he did was wrong. There is no lessening the blame on him by blaming the victim.

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I wouldn't call Tyutin's comments awful, but yeah definitely strong. First off he's biased. Varlamov is his friend, so he's obviously going to defend him. Second, he's foreign (I know he's spent a lot of time here), this isn't his home country or the laws he grew up with, so he may not appreciate or understand them like some of us do. That being said, he's not entirely wrong. The system has been abused by SOME women. No system is perfect.

All-in-all, Tyutin took a pretty extreme stance and probably should have just kept his mouth shut. The courts will figure this out and we'll see if Varly is truly at fault in due time.

Respectfully disagreed with FG's thought process but didn't want to open a can of worms.

Edited by Son of a Wing, 05 November 2013 - 05:20 PM.

"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."Vince Lombardi

When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”