At the very least it sounds like you have a strong piece to show in your next interview...should you find yourself in that position.<br><br>Thankfully, a strong piece of work speaks volumes of the designer regardless whether or not the client had the good sense to actually publish it. Meaning, "Publishing does not equate legitimacy"...<br><br>===================<br>[color:blue]"Does This Hole In The Ground Make My Ass Look Fat?"</font color=blue><br>----<br>S3V3N<br>Washington, DC USA

*still chuckling to self* I'm in this business for over 30 years — big agencies, small agencies, client-side, and freelance. I'll see you meshugenah CEO and raise you half a dozen loonies, cross-dressers, drama queens, droolers, and outright thieves! And I don't dare say I've seen it all yet — at least not until I hang up my t-square for good. <br><br>Oh, and — lest I forget — why, when I was your age, I used to walk 8 miles to work in 3 feet of snow. In July! <br><br>

I'm sure you've seen a LOT more than I have in your time in the biz, but every situation's unique- and this company reeks of abnormalcy. But I can't complain because 99% of the time, I can do no wrong...but that's also on the production end.<br><br>Anyone ever REALLY good at something they don't really like doing? <br><br>

I always feel self-conscious about putting things that haven't been published or distributed in my book- I feel like the person on the other side of the table is judging me solely on what's been 'put out there', and maybe feels that I sit home and do all this stuff in my free time.<br><br>I'd really like to get some ad stuff in my book, just to mix up the pot a little. Right now it's a lot of web & publishing projects- something that's obviously not getting me any jobs besides some freelance web jobs and publishing positions...<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I feel like the person on the other side of the table is judging me solely on what's been 'put out there', and maybe feels that I sit home and do all this stuff in my free time.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I cannot stress to you enough how totally wrong you are about that DM. Most (if not all) creative directors will WANT to see "Spec Work" - even if it's an ad for a company that doesn't exist for a product that it totally off the wall.<br><br>CDs are looking for "how you think" more so than "how you produce." Of course it's always nice to show off a great piece of work that a client actually approved and produced, but that just doesn't happen too often. The problem is that by the time the client makes his/her changes and approves the design, it's so watered down that it rarely has the same impact as the orginal design.<br><br>If you really want to get into an agency, start putting together a dozen or so ads, a brochure or two, a billboard or two and maybe a poster for a product or client, then do the same thing for two more clients. <br><br>Any jackass designer can come up with ONE decent ad for this, and another one for that, but you need to be able to come up with a concept, and impliment it across a variety of mediums. By doing what I said, it will show them that you can come up with a great idea and use it "across all audiences." (that's our slogan at R&R Partners).<br><br>If you need help getting started, I would suggest just going through some magazines, picking out a product, and then come up with ways to "concept" it for use with outdoor, advertising and collateral.<br><br><br>Visit Me!

If you really want to get into an agency, start putting together a dozen or so ads, a brochure or two, a billboard or two and maybe a poster for a product or client, then do the same thing for two more clients.<br><br>Well see, this is the problem- I have nothing besides college work that even remotely resembles an ad campaign...<br><br>Anyone got anything I can help out with, that I can leech off of and put in my book? j/k<br><br>But thanks for the reassurance about my stuff that hasn't been published/released. I guess I'm still in that mode of thinking from when I first got out of school. <br><br><br>

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