so i don't tend to watch them that much, but the dvds of both those guys are really good. love to see them in an art gallery or something.

by the same token, a lot of noisy stuff doesn't sound that great on youtube to me, but a lot of those look pretty fun.
it's all about this one though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSG3m5ujegAvery excited for tomorrow...(LAFMS-thing)

yeah tahts true, and a lot of the stuff i found is taken with some mobile phone camera, so the quality is even more shittier. but it's still another reasonable source to find stuff...like your vids, i didn't knew those artists before.