PARRY One-Name Study Blog

Tuesday, March 10, 2015

Other activities
have been occupying me again recently and, by the time it got to Wednesday of
last week, I gave up on the good intentions of posting a (late) summary for the
previous week.

So here's a [now
late] one for the fortnight instead!

FindMyPast's new
releases in the first week included "Britain, Trade Union Members, Service
& Casualties 1914-1918", with 31 Parrys, so that might be useful for
additional information when I pull together all the data on the 1st World War. There was also a 'browse only' version of
the Trade Union Membership Registers, which I am unlikely to explore for the
Parrys (but which might come in useful for researching my grandfather, John
ALLEN, who I believe was a "father of chapel" in one of the
unions). FMP also released details of
"Manchester Cholera Victims, 1832" (no Parrys) and over 1.6 million
Irish Newspaper Articles (almost 30,000 Parry references).

Fortunately, the
latter database required a World (or Irish?) subscription, which I don't have,
so I will not be adding those to my "to do" list. (FMP promptly announced a "free
weekend" - but I was not able to take advantage of that.)

It appears that
Ancestry had added the 'England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013' back in
January but, for some reason, it only came to my attention last week. There are
57 entries with Parry as a first name and 921 with it as a surname (plus one
spelt Parrey).

One of the issues I
often consider, particularly with conducting a fairly large one-name study, is,
"How do you establish an 'individual'?", ie a unique person that can
be represented in a family tree program. There are many Parrys alive today -
they are obviously unique individuals.
If I knew them all, I could enter their names into the one-name study
family tree program, because they clearly exist. And, if I had time to ask them about all the
relevant records relating to them, I could then attach details of those
records, such as their birth registration, educational records, marriage
information, addresses, occupations, etc., to their person record in the family
tree program.

But, usually, we are
working the other way round - the people are dead and we just have the
multitude of records we collect, which we are trying to put together ourselves,
in order to construct an account, or representation, of that person's life. We know that the many references, in
documents, on websites, in databases, and books etc., do still all relate to
particular individuals - but we don't necessarily know which individual a
particular reference relates to.

It would be foolish
to create a new person record for every documentary reference, as many
references from difference sources might all relate to the same person. But most of us have met researchers who have
attached the wrong record to a person in their tree, or ended up following the
"wrong" line. We may even have
done so ourselves. So how do we decide
what references actually fit together?
How do we know when we have sufficient evidence for the existence of a
unique individual? Some sources are more
reliable than others and for me, the intention has always been to try to use
these in order to establish a framework of unique individuals in the family
tree program, that references in other, less specific, sources can then be
attached to.

A birth and a death
are the two events we can guarantee everyone should just have one episode of,
but I have always been a bit wary of using the "Vital records", ie
the official records of life events, such as birth and death registrations, as the
basis of the framework, even though, for the UK, the BMD registrations are
usually the starting point for a one-namer.
But the lack of detailed information in the UK indexes makes it
difficult to match up every registration to any other information I
gather. And, although recording started
in England and Wales in 1837, we know that up until 1874, registration was not
compulsory so not all births were registered.
In other areas of the UK, the start date for civil registration was
later. Elsewhere in the world, there are
no doubt also issues regarding the reliability of such "vital
records" .

My preference has
therefore always been to use the censuses to establish the framework - because
of the way these were carried out, a census entry should always relate to a
specific person, alive on that day, and not represented anywhere else
("should" being the operative word - there are cases of people
appearing twice!) So, in theory, all the
census entries for one particular census year are therefore a snapshot of the
Parry population at that time, a 'framework' of unique individuals that other
facts can then be attached to. The birth
and death indexes can be used to explain changes in the Parry population
between censuses, even if the individual entries cannot be matched up.

The last available
UK census is the 1911 - but by that time, the civil registration indexes for
births and deaths start to contain more information. So perhaps the release of this latest death
registration information on Ancestry is actually a good starting point for an
alternative method of building my framework, working backwards from
"now". That would also avoid
any risk of listing living individuals, which might happen if I was relying
primarily on the birth indexes.

Talking of deaths, I
have been slowly continuing to gather information relating to WW1. Last week I did look at the Lives of the
First World War site (https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/search
) A search for Parry finds 4313 entries under "Life Stories".This includes people with Parry as a first
name, as well as normal surname use and in a double barrelled form.Further work is needed to analyse the data
but what struck me initially is that only 37 out of the 4313 have someone
"remembering" them.I hope we
can improve that over time.

During the last
Guild Hangout, we were discussing websites and I mentioned my intention to
transfer to using Word Press, rather than writing the Parry ONS site in
html. I was asked why, so I mentioned
the (hoped for) ease of updating such a site. But I have realised over this
week, that ease of publication still doesn't mean things get posted! There are also still many things to learn
about WP - like how easy it is to include pages with the formatting, or large
image layout, that I have on my "personal DNA" page (at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/personaldnatree.htm
) or my "Parrys of the Golden Valley" page (at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parrytrees/gvfull.htm
). Resolving issues like these will be
essential if I am to transfer my website to WP.

One of my aims for
this current week is to continue work on the World War 1 information. I also intend to convert the Parry DNA
project at FTDNA to the new Groups format.
I am glad I didn't have time to do this when possibility was first
announced - having waited a few weeks, some of the initial issues have now been
resolved.

Sometimes it's
useful *not* to be at the forefront of changes, and to be a bit behind
everybody else!

Friday, February 20, 2015

At the end of last week, a
message was posted regarding the research being carried out as a result of the
Crossrail excavation in London. This
research has included the compilation of what is described as “the first
extensive register of people buried at Bedlam”.
On checking the database, I found it contains 2 Parrys and 1 Parrey:

Thomas Parrey, 17th August
1593, St Mary Woolnoth

John Parry, 4th September 1608,
St Dunstan in the East (by the Tower)

Ann Parry, 1st December 1690, St Peter le Poor

Although the burial ground was
not associated with a parish church, it appears the burials were still recorded
in the various parish church records, rather than the burial ground having its
own records. The above three records all
originally came from the London Metropolitan Archives and I know many of their
records are also on sites such as Ancestry, so it will be interesting to see if
these three burials appear elsewhere - but that's a task for another day (as is trying to identify where these three fit!)

The second database announced
was that of the England’s Immigrants 1330 – 1550 project at http://www.englandsimmigrants.com/ I had already heard some information about
this, as it had been featured at the Guild's Medieval and Early Modern Records
Seminar last year. I wasn't sure there were likely
to be any Parrys in it, as it mainly relates to migration to England (and I
don't think people from Wales generally counted as "Resident
Aliens"!) But there was a possibility that some of the "ap
Harry"s involved in the Hundred Years War may have had "letters of
protection" included in the project (as some of them are listed on the
Medieval Soldier site at http://www.medievalsoldier.org/search_musterdb.php
during the relevant period.)

Although there are a few
"ap"s and other Welsh entries in the database, none of them are for "ap Harry".

However, I did find a “Clement
Parry”, whose place of origin was France and his nationality French

So maybe not all instances of Parry as a surname had Welsh origins, after all!

DNA News

Sometime I will write a blog post
about the Parry DNA project (at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Parry
) But, this week, I am just going to include two pieces of news derived from my
own personal DNA search, since they involve Parrys as well.

Last year I uploaded my Ancestry test results to Gedmatch. I haven’t been following up all the matches
from there yet but I happened to notice that one of them did relate to a Parry. It was a fairly small level of shared DNA (8.5
cM, over 672 SNPs) so the common ancestor could be quite distant (or the match
possibly not even genuine), but it was worth contacting them, because of the
surname. We realised that we had been in touch some years ago, discussing their "brick
wall” of a Robert Parry born in Chester, with the only possible baptism showing as a Robert, son of a Philip and Mary "Perry". Much searching had not found a marriage for
the Philip and Mary. But now, returning
some years later, we have found the marriage, and marriage licence, both under
the surname Parry. So that's one family
potentially moved back another generation.
And we’re also proceeding with obtaining a YDNA test, so that is a bit
of progress for the Parry project, as well.

And, secondly, as I was sending
out invitations to the new matches on 23andMe recently, I noticed one of them listed
Parry amongst their surnames. The tree indicated that the link to the surname was a Gladys Emily Parry, born in Kentchurch, Herefordshire,
in 1895. Unfortunately, Gladys is not
with her family in either 1901 or 1911.
In 1901 she is boarding with a Heiron family in Kentchurch and there are
no other Parrys in Kentchurch itself. However,
there were two Parry families there in 1891:

David (60) and Jane (47), with
children, Phebe 10 and Edwin Parry (8)
and

, where David ‘senior’ is shown first married
to Esther JONES and then Jane COOKE, and David ‘junior’ is a son of the first
marriage to Esther. David ‘senior’ was brother to my 3xgreat grandfather, Thomas Parry.

David and Matilda appear on my
1901 census listing, at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parrycensus/1901hef.htm#26069
, by which time they are living in Ewyas Harold. Whilst they might appear to be the most
likely family to have a daughter born in Kentchurch in 1895, the gap between Gladys and the next child, Charlotte, would be very short. There are also several other Parry
families in nearby parishes, who could be the relevant family for Gladys. So it will definitely be necessary to obtain the
marriage and birth information for her, in order to confirm this is the (possible) genealogical connection to my DNA match. (And still only "possible" because, even if this is how we connect genealogically, that is not actually sufficient evidence to prove this connection is where the particular segment of DNA came from - we might have other connections through other ancestors, which we haven't yet found.)

But I am thrilled to have found a possible connection so easily. Hopefully this is a sign of what is to come,
as more people take DNA tests for genealogy and I build out the collateral
branches of my tree. I hope that other
members of the Parry project find a similar increase in identifiable connections
- even if the connection is through autosomal testing, it will lead to more 'related groupings' of people, so potentially more of us searching for, and
contributing to, finding male Parrys to YDNA test.

So quite a productive week, even if there are still several other
“not yet achieved” goals.

Friday, February 13, 2015

Companies seem to like releasing information on a Friday. Each week FindMyPast send out their “FindMyPast
Fridays” email, listing all their latest additions and, this morning, Gerald
Cooke, the Guild's Gloucestershire regional representative, also posted on the Forum
that Ancestry had announced various Gloucestershire records are now available
on their site. There's bound to be Parrys in those and perhaps I should start
scheduling Friday as a day for exploring new records.

However, are such records really “new”?

Last week's releases from FMP included Dorset parish records
and the British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards, 1914-1925. As this fitted in with my intention to do
some work on WW1 potential casualties, I took a look. In doing so, I realised
that the source for the Dorset records was actually Family Search and, for the
Merchant seamen, it was the National Archives. Checking on the TNA site indicated that, not
only are these records available from there, but that the index information can
also be downloaded as a spreadsheet (up to 1000 entries). For a one-namer, this is obviously a much
more efficient way of collecting the data, than from FMP at twenty entries per
page.

This just shows how important it is to plan and log details
of research – so I don’t get caught out and waste time with a “new” dataset,
which I might already have from another source, and also to consider these multiple sources so as to identify the best
way of dealing with a particular “data collection” task.

I have spent some time this week collecting the index
details of all the WW1 related datasets on the National Archives. I'm not yet
ready to post about the casualties but, when I do come to do so, it seems
important to consider the wider context of how many other Parrys fought and survived,
or were otherwise involved in some way in serving their country. So that research is ongoing.

A couple of other recent points of interest:

-one of my other hobbies is metal detecting and I noticed
from "Digging Deep", the latest news from the National Council for
Metal Detecting, that the Chairman of the Crewe & Nantwich MDS is a John
Parry.

-Yet another descendant of the Colston Parry family has posted
on the Parry message board at Ancestry (I wish all the Parry families had so
many descendants interested in them!)

-A Guild Newswatch item was received for a Meryl Parry
who passed away in January.

By a strange coincidence, when I just looked back at the
details of that Newswatch item, I realised that the hospice mentioned just
happens to be the same one that my final “round-up” item relates to. Yesterday, two
Guild members let me know about an old family bible, which had belonged to a
Parry family and has now turned up in a charity shop. The shop staff were trying to find
descendants. (Well, actually, one of the articles says "ancestors" –
don’t journalists know the difference?!!!)

I have looked for census information and can find the Parry family
at the house in Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire, through every census. The bible was presented to the original
owner, a John Parry, in the late 1830s by John Owens, a minister from Llanuwchllyn and, based on
the 1851 census, it appears that, that’s where John Parry had been born.

The shop does now have contact with descendants of the
family so, hopefully, that’s one old bible which will be reunited with people
who will treasure it.

Wednesday, February 04, 2015

We all go through periods when our hobbies have to take a
back seat because of other activities. The last few years have been like that
for me. It isn’t that I haven't been
doing any research on the Parry ONS. I have.
But it's been more like treading water, than making real progress. Hopefully, things will improve this year
(although I may still “drop out” for a week or so, at times.)

It will be a slow restart - as I write about in my "Not
just the Parrys" blog at http://notjusttheparrys.blogspot.co.uk/, I am currently taking part in Thomas MacEntee's
Genealogy Do-Over. This came at just the
right time for me, as I was already planning to start looking at my own
personal family history in more detail this year. I also wanted to make some changes to the
Parry ONS, and the way research has sometimes been carried out in the
past. It is going to take time to
learn about some of the new tools and to embed improved research practices. But
I hope, in time, the result will be a much better organised and presented one-name
study.

So what is there to look forward to currently?

The main goal for this year is a new website. This will be written in WordPress (when I
have learned how!), which should enable me to update the site more frequently
(as I won't have to write the entire HTML for each page.) It should also enable better collaboration,
through the use of comments.

Talking of collaboration, one thing I have done recently is set
up a Parry Name Study on the Wikitree site (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Parry_Name_Study
) My own Parry ancestry had already been
put on the site by someone else, who had probably been in touch with one of my
contacts from years ago. But I decided
the best way to respond was to join in and further develop it. This might seem like duplication with the
main Parry Study web site, but I think it is worth sharing on the Wikitree site as
well, because that has the potential for involving more Parry
researchers, who are already working on their own families. As I frequently say, Parry is what one might
call a “popular” surname (I will always think of Geoff Riggs when I say that, as
he encouraged me not to refer to the name as “common”). I am therefore very reliant on information
being shared by other researchers, so anything which helps such information
sharing is good. Wikitree also has
features for those who have taken DNA tests, which I think will become
important as more people take the tests, especially with two of the DNA
companies now actively promoting sales of their kits in the UK.

There has been a bit of “information sharing” over the last
month or so, as I have been contacted by seven Parry researchers recently,
several of whom sent me information. One
was a request to carry out research for the enquirer – unfortunately, I don't
have time for that, even if they were prepared to pay me, so I steered that one
towards the list of professional researchers on the SOG site. Three of the
other contacts related to Herefordshire Parrys, always favourites of mine. One was someone I was in touch with years ago,
so it was good to renew the contact there.
Of the other two, one of them related to a family I already knew a researcher
for, so they are now in touch with each other. Another two of the seven just
happen to be descended from the Colston Parry family – a tree I have online at http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~parryresearch/colston.htm
. I had already promised the first of
these that I would update the tree with his information as soon as I can, so I
am pleased the second wrote before I have done so, as I can now make all the
changes at once.

So now there are three trees on my priority list:

-My own

-the Parrys from Birley in Herefordshire, and

-the Colston Parry family from Gloucestershire.

Gordon Adshead posted on the Forum recently about the records of the Middlesex
military service appeal tribunal 1916-1918, which have gone online at
the National Archives. There are three Parrys
in this and it was a reminder to me that I had intended to produce some posts
relating to Parrys in WW1. I didn't
manage that last year for the centenary of the start of the war - but that is no
excuse to abandon the rest of my goal regarding this.

So I think that all gives me plenty to be working on for this
year as it is.

But, as always, if you have a PARRY in your family history,
then do please get in touch.

Sunday, January 08, 2012

I don't normal specifically advertise Parry related products, but I hope you'll forgive me for this one, since it is in aid of a good cause.

Ruth Richardson, who wrote the book "Mistress Blanche: Queen Elizabeth I’s Confidante" has been involved in the production of a limited edition, souvenir calendar, the proceeds of which are all to go to Bacton Church, in Herefordshire. She writes,

These lovely
pictures+detailed descriptions (making a short book) are in a calendar-format
to commemorate the Diamond Jubilee of H.M. Queen Elizabeth II, 2012. Through the
generosity of the Queen (who waived charges) it includes the gorgeous portrait
of Princess Elizabeth, c.1546, in her red and gold dress. The Marquess of
Salisbury has generously allowed the Rainbow portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, the portrait
of Lord Burghley (Blanche's cousin) and a photograph of Hatfield Old Palace to
be used without charges. The other pictures show: Blanche Parry's St.
Margaret's Church (Westminster) tomb, Blanche's Bacton monument, Queen
Elizabeth I's Presence Chamber, the frontispiece of the 1588 Welsh Bible,
Llangorse Lake + 1584 map, the site of Newcourt + drawing of the house, Bacton
Church and Dore Abbey. We are most grateful to all the picture owners. Details
can be seen on www.blancheparry.com

All proceeds from
this calendar will benefit Bacton Church where Blanche worshipped as a girl and
where her family are buried. Apart from printing, all work on this project has
been voluntary. It is a strictly limited edition, with superb pictures, and
cannot be repeated. This calendar really is recommended to keep as a collectable.
Recently described as 'magnificent', 'gorgeous' and 'unique', it has already
sold throughout the UK and Europe, and from Alaska to Australia....

Further copies can be
obtained from amazon.uk or directly from Ruth E. Richardson. Thank you.

I saw on the news recently
that an avalanche in the Swiss ski resort of Zermatt has left many British
holidaymakers stranded. This reminded me of some correspondence last year regarding
Edward Parry, Suffragan Bishop of Dover, whose tombstone is shown on my page at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parrytrnscrptns/fess.htm#can .It turned out that, in 1871, Edward travelled
to Switzerland in order to consecrate several Anglican Churches, one of which
was The English Church (St Peter’s) in Zermatt.The Times Online for Aug 05, 1871 reported that "The Right Rev.
Edward Parry, D.D. Suffragan Bishop of Dover, will consecrate the Zermatt Church
on Sunday next."Diane, my
correspondent, very kindly arranged for a copy of the Church’s history, “A
Church in the Alps”, which contains some details of Bishop Parry’s involvement
in the dedication of the Church, to be sent to me.

It is interesting
how, even with a large study, one family can come to dominate so many of the
references collected.I happened to be considering
writing a blog posting about a sequence of Parrys – Joshua Parry, Caleb Hillier
Parry and Charles Henry Parry, three generations from one family, when I heard
the news item.The post was prompted because
of my purchase of a book entitled "The Spirit of Enquiry, Caleb Hillier Parry,
MD, FRS" by Sholem Glaser, just before Christmas.This is one of several books I’ve come
across in the past and thought “I really must get a copy”. Written by a retired surgeon, the book covers Caleb’s contributions to
medicine but it also contains information about his ancestry and family
relationships, so my hope is that it will both confirm the information I
already have, and also give me some new leads on the family.

Charles Henry’s
brother, and the youngest son of Caleb Hillier Parry, was Sir William Edward
Parry, the arctic explorer - and his son was the Edward, Suffragan Bishop of
Dover, subject of the Swiss churches query.Later descendants of the family include another Bishop, another Admiral
and a couple of knights – so that’s why this one family seems to dominate the record
collection.

And since this family
made use of the same coat of arms as the Herefordshire “Golden Valley” family, it
is one that I am particularly interested in putting together the pedigree for.I usually try to avoid collecting too much general
biographical information on individuals – anyone interested in that much detail
on these individuals can easily find it elsewhere anyway (although there are
some errors – as on the Wiki page for the Suffragan Bishop, which has his
father incorrectly listed as his grandfather).But another book relating to this family, “A Memoir of the Rev. Joshua
Parry, Nonconformist Minister of Cirencester; With Some Original Essays and
Correspondence”, has also been on my “wants” list for a while.This is the biography of Joshua written by
his grandson, Charles Henry and published in 1872 so, again, it’s a book likely
to contain information about family connections. I discovered that it has joined the many old
books being digitised and republished – unfortunately, only as a “snippet view”
online, but at least printed versions are now easily available so that’s where
some of my “Christmas money” will be going!

I wrote in my last
post about identifying the probable author of the pedigree sheets in Hereford
library.As I was looking up the book
about Joshua a few days ago, I noticed that the front cover for the original version
shown on the Google books page (at http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=editions:ISBN0217432417&id=LwzYQQAACAAJ&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES
) is the drawing of the coat of arms from the tomb of Joan Parry, formerly
Morgan, the wife of James Parry of Poston, which I show on my “quartered coats
of arms” page at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parrytrnscrptns/gvarms.htm.I obtained this drawing at the same
time as the pedigree sheets so, since I don’t think Charles Henry was the
author of them, it appears he was probably in touch with the author (or my
identification is wrong!)It will be an
interesting task to try to identify who was communicating with who, out of the various, separate, Parry families, during the
1800s.

I haven’t made a
great deal of effort to contact living Parrys – I am quite happy just to be in
touch with the steady stream of researchers who contact me, since the ParryONS
is a fairly large study.It will be extremely
time consuming collecting the records up to date, yet alone do all the communication
that would be necessary.But it occurred
to me that perhaps, for queries about certain families, I should be seeking out
living descendants.I knew that the great,
great granddaughter of Sir William Edward Parry published several books –
indeed, I have her biography of Sir William Edward Parry on my bookshelf.Unfortunately, having found an address for
her through some online research papers, I then found what I suspect will be a
notice for her death at http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/74153/parry .

So, now I am pondering
- should I proceed to look for other descendants of this family?In fact, should I change my own intentions regarding
the study as a whole, and make more effort to contact living Parrys?(Certainly, if the DNA project is ever to
succeed, that will probably be necessary.)At times like this, I am reminded of how different One-Name Studies can
be.Back in 2008, Andrew Millard made a
post to the Forum comparing the way in which the Pomeroy Family Association
(PFA) and my Parry Study were tackling research (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/goons/2008-07/1214948300 ).I remember
thinking at the time that perhaps the way in which the PFA had a very specific
aim (“The aim of the project is to reconstruct the family trees of everyone who
calls themselves by any of the surnames we associate, either historically or in
the present-day, as a variant of, or related to, Pomeroy.”) was something I
should consider for the Parry ONS, rather than just “carrying out” a one-name
study.It is slightly depressing to look
at the post on my blog that Andrew refers to and to read how many things I
listed then, which are still “ongoing projects” – would a more specific goal
would have helped these get finished?

Actually, probably not – the rest
of life would still have got in the way and, to be honest, part of the fun and
excitement of the study, for me, are the unexpected avenues I end up going down.But what the reminder has done is helped to provide
some focus for getting things back on track, after so many months of other activities
taking priority.I think this is going to
be a good year for the study!

Monday, January 02, 2012

That was the question posed on the Forum at the end of last year. I don’t currently keep statistics on the Parry study (mental note to do so in the future!). However, I do keep a list of all communication, so I can tell from that, that I had 20 new Parry related contacts over the course of 2011. That’s down on previous years (26 in 2010, 31 in 2009 and over 50 in each the two years before that). Although that might be a sign of less people researching, I suspect much of the reason for the reduction is my own lack of activity.

It is good to take stock occasionally of how the study has progressed – even when it serves as a reminder of things that haven’t yet been achieved (after all, I’m even less likely to do something if I don't remember it!) And, although I may not have managed to write about these events at the time, during 2011 the probable author of the pedigree sheets from Hereford library was identified, I learnt that there is evidence the Allington Parry family used the “fess and three lozenges” coat of arms and therefore linked themselves to the Herefordshire “Golden Valley” family, and Parry entries were collected from numerous sources (sometimes unexpectedly, as when the archaeology group visited a local museum to look at the roman collection, but browsed the social history exhibits as well, turning up three Parrys for me).

2012 has made a promising start, with both a new Herefordshire Parry contacting me and someone joining the Parry DNA project (not actually a Parry but, with the low numbers involved in the project so far, I welcome any interest.) So, instead of just causing me to look back, the main result of asking the question has been a positive thought – the opportunities are there for 2012, so how am I going to make the best use of them, in order to progress the study?