Sunday Jazz Brunch Open Thread- Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong

It’s Ella and Louis time! Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong have collaborated on several albums.

Armstrong recorded three albums with Ella Fitzgerald: Ella and Louis, Ella and Louis Again, and Porgy and Bess for Verve Records, with the sessions featuring the backing musicianship of the Oscar Peterson Trio and drummer Buddy Rich.

Ella and Louis is a 1956 studio album by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, accompanied by the Oscar Peterson Quartet. Having previously collaborated in the late 1940s for the Decca label, this was the first of three albums that Fitzgerald and Armstrong were to record together for Verve Records.

Ella and Louis Again is a 1957 studio album by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. It is the “sequel” to their 1956 album, Ella and Louis, in contrast to their previous collaboration Ella and Louis, this album does not only feature duets.

Porgy and Bess is a 1957 studio album by jazz vocalist and trumpeter Louis Armstrong, and singer Ella Fitzgerald collaborating on this recording of selections from George and Ira Gershwin’s Porgy and Bess. In 2001, it was awarded with a Grammy Hall of Fame Award, a special achievement prize established in 1973 to honor recordings that are at least twenty-five years old, and that have “qualitative or historical significance.” The album was originally issued on the Verve label as Verve MGV 4011-2, then reissued on PolyGram on CD in 1990, as Verve-PolyGram 827 475-2.

The album is considered the most musically successful amongst the jazz vocal versions of the opera and was released to coincide with the 1959 movie version.

The arranger on this album, Russell Garcia, had previously arranged the first jazz vocal recording of the album, 1956’s, The Complete Porgy and Bess.

Let’s Call the Whole Thing Off

Armstrong and Race

Armstrong was largely accepted into white society, both on stage and off, a privilege reserved for very few African-American public figures, and usually those of either exceptional talent and fair skin-tone. As his fame grew, so did his access to the finer things in life usually denied to a black man, even a famous one. His renown was such that he dined in the best restaurants and stayed in hotels usually exclusively for whites.

It was a power and privilege that he enjoyed, although he was very careful not to flaunt it with fellow performers of color, and privately, he shared what access that he could with friends and fellow musicians.

That still did not prevent members of the African-American community, particularly in the late 1950s to the early 1970s, from calling him an Uncle Tom, a black-on-black racial epithet for someone who kowtowed to white society at the expense of their own racial identity.

He was criticized for accepting the title of “King of The Zulus” for Mardi Gras in 1949. In the New Orleans African-American community it is an honored role as the head of leading black Carnival Krewe, but bewildering or offensive to outsiders with their traditional costume of grass-skirts and blackface makeup satirizing southern white attitudes.

Some musicians criticized Armstrong for playing in front of segregated audiences, and for not taking a strong enough stand in the civil rights movement.

Billie Holiday countered, however, “Of course Pops toms, but he toms from the heart.”

The few exceptions made it more effective when he did speak out. Armstrong’s criticism of President Eisenhower, calling him “two-faced” and “gutless” because of his inaction during the conflict over school desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957 made national news.

As a protest, Armstrong canceled a planned tour of the Soviet Union on behalf of the State Department saying “The way they’re treating my people in the South, the government can go to hell” and that he could not represent his government abroad when it was in conflict with its own people. Six days after Armstrong’s comments, Eisenhower ordered Federal troops to Little Rock to escort students into the school.

The FBI kept a file on Armstrong, for his outspokenness about integration.

Good Morning everyone! Oh, see we had a lil troll visitor last night, LOL, the anger is like a Oreo Cheesecake to me…delicious!Oh so Boehner tryna get a backbone with his nutty tealibans huh?Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in LineWASHINGTON — On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose. more here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/us/politics/boehner-tells-house-gop-to-fall-in-line.html?_r=0

Kennymack1971

Good morning Miranda and POU. The GOP talk radio mafia is already out for scalps and Boehners is one they’d like to collect. We’ll see if Orange Julius can stand up to the crazies in his party.

morphus

Some House Republicans have latched on to their own re-elections to claim a dual mandate.

“The message from this election for me seems to be, ‘You guys keep going,’ ” said Representative James Lankford of Oklahoma. “The Senate was rewarded for inactivity, the House was rewarded for standing up for its principles and the president was rewarded for his.

More delusion thinking to beatdown when dealing with House Rethugs asserting they have a dual mandate?

jds09

These are the seeds of 2014. smh

malletgirl02

The House republicans accusing the Senate for “being awarded for inactivity” is the pot calling the kettle black. The House republicans did nothing during their term.

JojoRaze

The Republicans lost 8 seats in the House–they have no mandate. The only reason why they kept as many seats is because of re-districting they did at the state level in 2010 to ensure they stayed in districts that were wingnutty. Still, they lost 8 seats, and gained none in the Senate. Plus, their boogeyman Obama still got re-elected. They ground has shifted underneath them and they still think they have the juice.

jds09

Boehner won’t be able to do it. We are gonna watch someone give himself alcohol poisoning right before our eyes. These folks want one of their own to lead them….over the cliff.

http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

Boehner isn’t up to it but PBO is going to make sure he does it anyway.

– — – –While I agree with Kathleen Parker’s overall analysis, I do not think she understands the nature of the party she clings to like grim death. And I don’t agree with giving Mitt Romney a 100% pass. He ran the most dishonest campaign in modern history. The high point of his campaign was the first debate, but historians will note that Romney told about 150 unrebutted lies in roughly 45 minutes of speaking time. Romney was a terrible candidate who stood for nothing, least of all honesty, and made one gaffe after another. – — SNIP – – In Haley Barbour’s words, Romney was a shitty candidate.

The whole party should put on their clown suits and go play in the street.

— – –<i>House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) says he was told in late October about allegations that then-CIA Director David Petraeus was having an extramarital affair.

The GOP lawmaker said his office was notified about the charges from an FBI employee, who raised questions about a possible security breach, according to a report from the New York Times published Saturday.

“I was contacted by an F.B.I. employee concerned that sensitive, classified information may have been compromised and made certain [FBI] Director [Robert] Mueller was aware of these serious allegations and the potential risk to our national security,” said Cantor in a statement to the Times.

The report says Cantor spoke to the FBI employee after being told by Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) that someone at the agency had concerns about national security and wanted to speak to a congressional leader about the allegations.

– –SNIP – – – –

Cantor’s disclosures is likely to raise further questions about the FBI’s role investigating Petraeus, who stepped down from atop the CIA on Friday, and when members of the administration and other lawmakers first learned about the affai.r
THERE IS MORE.

This raises a whole lotta questions: WTH is an FBI employee doing telling CANTOR about this hot mess? He is not the WH and in fact, has an intentional and open agenda of obstruction. How is that this employee has not been hunted down and disciplined? It’s the FBI. And, what planet does Cantor live on? Does he think that this does not raise questions about his ethical behavior?

just sayin’.

GreenLadyHere

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That employee TOLD HIM – – -BECAUSE?????- — – –

-HE SAT on dat INFO — BECAUSE??? – – – —

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JojoRaze

I have a different view of this after reading this article and others in WashPo and NYT. It seems as if Cantor didn’t leak this, not because he had integrity, as a commenter on The Hill story stated, but because he thought the information about “compromise of natural security” would be something bad about Obama and Benghazi.

However, since it was about the GOP’s so-called Eisenhower, Petraeus, they kept it hush-hush. Cantor probably knew before the WH because Cantor has people in the FBI and CIA who would leak stuff they felt detrimental to PBO, and since this wasn’t, he didn’t say anything. Petraeus leaving the CIA is bad for Repubs, because he was seen as a presidential hopeful for them, probably even in 2016. Notice people in the media are starting to say that PBO did this to Petraeus to get him not to speak about Benghazi.

Aquagranny911

Didn’t I say on Friday that they would blame PBO? Cantor is such slime. If he could have used this against the Prez it would have been all over the news 24/7.

JojoRaze

I have a different view of this after reading this article and others in WashPo and NYT. It seems as if Cantor didn’t leak this, not because he had integrity, as a commenter on The Hill story stated, but because he thought the information about “compromise of natural security” would be something bad about Obama and Benghazi.

However, since it was about the GOP’s so-called Eisenhower, Petraeus, they kept it hush-hush. Cantor probably knew before the WH because Cantor has people in the FBI and CIA who would leak stuff they felt detrimental to PBO, and since this wasn’t, he didn’t say anything. Petraeus leaving the CIA is bad for Repubs, because he was seen as a presidential hopeful for them, probably even in 2016. Notice people in the media are starting to say that PBO did this to Petraeus to get him not to speak about Benghazi.

JojoRaze

I have a different view of this after reading this article and others in WashPo and NYT. It seems as if Cantor didn’t leak this, not because he had integrity, as a commenter on The Hill story stated, but because he thought the information about “compromise of natural security” would be something bad about Obama and Benghazi.

However, since it was about the GOP’s so-called Eisenhower, Petraeus, they kept it hush-hush. Cantor probably knew before the WH because Cantor has people in the FBI and CIA who would leak stuff they felt detrimental to PBO, and since this wasn’t, he didn’t say anything. Petraeus leaving the CIA is bad for Repubs, because he was seen as a presidential hopeful for them, probably even in 2016. Notice people in the media are starting to say that PBO did this to Petraeus to get him not to speak about Benghazi.

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

Somebody needs to pass this info on to Anderson Cooper who was insinuating that the WH knew about this before the election and purposely withheld info until after the election.

– – –Porgy and Bess is a 1957 studio album by jazz vocalist and trumpeter Louis Armstrong, and singer Ella Fitzgerald collaborating on this recording of selections from George and Ira Gershwin’s Porgy and Bess. In 2001, it was awarded with a Grammy Hall of Fame Award, a special achievement prize established in 1973 to honor recordings that are at least twenty-five years old, and that have “qualitative or historical significance.”

– – —For Republicans, one of the worst parts of the GOP’s 2012 trouncing was that they didn’t see it coming. -[STRATEGY!! –HAH!]

Top party strategists and officials always knew there was a chance that President Barack Obama would get reelected, or that Republicans wouldn’t gain control of the Senate. But down to the final days of the national campaign, few anticipated the severe setbacks that Republicans experienced on Nov. 6.

The reason: Across the party’s campaigns, committees and super PACs, internal polling gave an overly optimistic read on the electorate. The Romney campaign entered the last week of the election convinced that Colorado, Florida and Virginia were all but won, that the race in Ohio was neck and neck and that the Republican nominee had a legitimate shot in Pennsylvania.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee consistently had a more upbeat assessment of races in North Dakota and Montana, among others, than their Democratic counterparts. One GOP poll even showed Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock holding even with his opponent, even as public polls showed the embattled Republican hemorrhaging support. A Republican poll taken by Susquehanna Polling and Research showed Pennsylvania Senate candidate Tom Smith leading Democratic Sen. Bob Casey by 2 points a few weeks before the election; Casey won by 9 points.
THERE IS MORE – –HAH – – –

@StylishGurl:
Just realized POTUS won reelection w/o going on any of the Sunday shows!!!! Hahahaa…. Not Relevant anymore!!!!

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

LOL! David Gregory and Chris Wallace are gonna be extra bitchy about that because they were the ones trying to call PBO out for not coming on their shows!

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

LOL! David Gregory and Chris Wallace are gonna be extra bitchy about that because they were the ones trying to call PBO out for not coming on their shows!

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

LOL! David Gregory and Chris Wallace are gonna be extra bitchy about that because they were the ones trying to call PBO out for not coming on their shows!

trose1

I don’t think he went on Ed’s, Rachel or Lawrence’s show. He did do Rev’s radio show.
He went where the VOTERS were.
LMBAO

GN

Rev. Al stands apart from so many of his colleagues for so many reasons. I’m interested in his thoughts for the second term.

BoomerGal

Rev is going to be focused on Voter Rights legislation and rightfully so but he’ll be watching these fiscal cliff negotiations I’m sure.

goldenstar

I know! That White House Press Briefing on Friday was a sight. They were all crying that PBO was not there. It’s some kind of tradition (in their minds) that the President show up after winning re-eleciton. Jake Tapper was crying that the press was not allowed in the President’s meeting with his staff @ Prudential Building. The video was released….by the campaign and he was crying about that.

Aquagranny911

They can all sit on a cactus & rotate! They were so far up the GOP asses that they were kissing them on the lips.

I have no use for any of them. I hope PBO continues to shun them. He doesn’t need them.

GN

This is a striking fact:

@StylishGurl:
Just realized POTUS won reelection w/o going on any of the Sunday shows!!!! Hahahaa…. Not Relevant anymore!!!!

GN

This is a striking fact:

@StylishGurl:
Just realized POTUS won reelection w/o going on any of the Sunday shows!!!! Hahahaa…. Not Relevant anymore!!!!

ETA: Nevermind. I found the translation at another site. It’s: “Hello? Who is this?” “It’s still me!”

JojoRaze

paging GC to use her Hebrew school Hebrew to help black people out….

trose1

Which one of u Black,middle aged, PBO boyfriend wanting, women made that troll angry?
That fool is angry.
And yes, Hillary Biden, etc will have to earn my vote.
If they are not advocating voting rights reform I ain’t hearing what they sayin.

GN

lol he was pissed. What I love about the more virulent PBO detractors is that they always start off claiming to be the most principled people in the room, but invariably, they disintegrate into racial stereotyping (middle aged black women needing a man). They always show their ass, and never fail to reveal an underlying contempt for segments of the black population, absorption of stereotypes, and belief in some form or another of black inferiority.

jds09

Spot on GN! Although I have to admit I’m a middle-aged black woman. My boyfriend has been known to call me in the middle of the day saying he’s PBO. lol

trose1

LMBAO

Aquagranny911

LOL!!!

GN

So am I lol. I love fresh troll on weekends.

jziglar

The problem with the emo left is that they fail to understand that they are a non factor in the Democratic party. They are a very small percentage that just talks loud and complains about the president and other Democrats. Then when election time comes they act like they behind the candidate all along because they wanted to join the bandwagon.And like you said the candidate always has to earn the peoples support. The troll needs to stop acting like he/she is in a power position because they never were.

qosine

Exactly.

Aquagranny911

Probably me. I tend to do that to some, lol.

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

Live Stream of President Obama speaking at the Arlington National Cemetary is up!

On MHP a Black woman ,whose name I don’t know, threw out this statistic.
She stated 56% of white women voted for Romney. Of course this was stated during a discussion where white women are being celebrated for their historical gains in the congress. Dem White women got elected in historical numbers to Senate and congress.
#1 has anyone else seen this data?
#2 This stuns me, I guess I should not be
I need to see more data, just unbelievable.

She was making a point on how yes she is woman but she is Black, that said 56% of white women voted for Romney. MHP looked stunned and hurried the conversation on to something else.
I think MHP may not have been aware of this stat. I am looking for it.

jds09

Yeah, this would be very interesting to find out. As a womanist (I struggle with identifying myself as a feminist), over the years I’ve felt that as a group white women aren’t real allies (although I do personally know a few) and when push came to shove they would align themselves with white men.

If the majority voted with Romney, that would be telling.

Gc

i generally cannot stand white men. Their driving machismo reflects their power obsession. But I don’t like misogynistic rap lyrics either. So I would side with Black women. It’s hard not to. If you all met the black women friends I have, they are irresistable! Some of most speacial friendships in fact, so maybe I am not objective.

nellcote

Maybe she meant *married* white women? I know he won married women and PBO won single ladies.

Town

I thought 55% of white women voted for Obama?

Most of the married white women did vote for Romney. They don’t need to worry about birth control or reproductive freedom…that’s not on their minds.

I’m thinking at least half of the women in this country are single so at least half of the women ARE worried about reproductive freedom.

trose1

MHP looked stunned but she agreed. I am going to have to see this data for myself. People on twitter did not dispute.

also take notice of the youth vote breakdown. it was POC youth that vote overwhelmingly for the president

GN

Elections have consequences:

Bill Kristol: ‘It Won’t Kill The Country If We Raise Taxes’ On Millionaires

WASHINGTON — Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.

“It won’t kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.” “It really won’t, I don’t think. I don’t really understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer.”

Isn’t he one of the ones that’s been fighting it so hard for decades to not raise taxes on millionaires?

GN

Yup, the GOP is in disarray; half are doubling down (just like you said the far right would, woody), other half are doing backflips.

Gc

3 ring circus, and all the rings have something entertaining going on. Cannot stand Stewart, but I just caught his Rove segment – brilliant!

qosine

Cirque de Soleil (sp) of GOP

GN

My goodness, what an asswhoopin:

@utaustinliberal:
Wow RT @JasStanford NOT THE ONION: The only candidate to lose his homestate by more than Mitt was John Fremont in 1856, an accused cannibal.

Aquagranny911

I really got an LOL at this one. Poor John Fremont was a very weird guy but not a cannibal. He ran on an anti-slavery ticket in 1856 which pissed off some people.

He was later Arizona Territorial Governor who sort of got fired because he was never here so he got told to either stay here & do his job or be fired. He resigned instead. We still have streets etc named after him.

qosine

Wow. AG, you’re a fountain of knowledge about all things AZ.
You know the official stuff, plus all the insidery goodness.

Aquagranny911

LOL! I had to take AZ history 3 times…once to graduate HS, then to graduate college & again when we moved back here so I could get my state credential to teach but I have forgotten a lot.

Az does have some interesting history & some very odd & sometimes venal characters who played their parts.

qosine

Wow. AG, you’re a fountain of knowledge about all things AZ.
You know the official stuff, plus all the insidery goodness.

nellcote

Didn’t Rmoney loose ALL his home states?

http://oldhollywood.net/ woody45

Louis like his contemporaries was a working musician and that meant he and 99.999999999% of all Black musicians had to play the hand they were dealt i.e. segregated clubs not just in Dixie but all over the country.

Louis was a smoothy. He’d show all 32 teeth on stage while fronting an integrated band. Sing about Sleepy Time Down South but lived in Corona, New York. “Hang out” with White movie stars but saying bluntly in an interview that the only one who ever invited him to their house was Frank Sinatra.

He came back to New Orleans in 1931 after a rocking European tour where he was basically crowned King. They scheduled him to do a radio broadcast and just before they went on the air the announcer said he didn’t have the heart to introduce this N___. Louis seized the moment and became the first Black Man to announce a radio show. You better believe he knew what was up.

That and his playing got better. Which is saying something considering he was always kicking it.

dannie22

Armstrong had a good relationship with Bing Crosby. I remember reading Bing wouldnt go on a show if Armstrong couldnt go on too. Dont know if bing invited Armstrong to his house. Prolly not lol.

crazycanuck

I’ve been reading up on Bing Crosby lately. He didn’t seem like a very nice man.

isonprize

Crazycanuck. UNDERSTATEMENT of the year re: Bing Crosby. He was a racist, mean summamabitch. Probably wanted to go on with Louis Armstrong because he knew Louis would bring the ratings.

Alma98

Happy Veterans Day to all the active duty, veteran men and women who serve and have served.

Aquagranny911

Second your post, Alma with a special shout out to your Hubby & those in my own family.

Alma98

The same to you AG, and a thank you to your family members who serve.

MsKitty

Dang, It looked like I missed all the fun last night. It’s all good, what these fools don’t realize is that curbstomping them is a form of amusement for us. So keep bringing the stupid, trolls, so we can point and laugh at you.

Gc

It feels like a bonding experience for us, which results in strengthening us further. Not the outcome he was looking for.

Aquagranny911

I got pissed off when I first read that caca post & then it struck me as hilarious. Obviously the buffoon didn’t read enough of the archives here.

The slogan “When Women Vote, Women Win” is true and its been true for some time. The GOP’s decision to slowly turn their attention to women near the end by fabricating Romney’s favorable polling with women was just plain odd.

trose1

I do believe that slogan. I find it strange that a majority of White women voted for Romney. I cannot wrap my head around that fact.

GN

It’s pretty shocking. But then, I can’t believe that anyone would vote for Romney, so I’m biased lol.

trose1

LMBAO I don’t get the Romney voter. I really don’t get the White woman Romney voter.

morphus

I am not a numbers wonk to make a comparative analysis but alarm bells went off weeks back when several services and newspapers announced a steep drop in exit polling.

7thangel

White privilege.

despite all the lies and evidence and facts, they trusted that Romney and the GOP wouldn’t be that bad and that they could fix the economy.

GN

I think that there was a straight confidence game going on. Romney was vacuuming in a lot of money after the media hysteria pronounced the first debate to be a “game changer.” I think that President Obama did get a temporary ding in the polls because of that debate, and it was enough for the grifters on the Romney campaign to create a “narrative” that Romney had managed a miracle recovery. I honestly don’t believe them when they claim they didn’t know they were losing. They were cooking the books. This evidence that President Obama’s commanding lead with women was courtesy of women of color makes me doubt all the more that RomneyCo thought that he was about to make inroads.

TresL

I actually thought they were cooking the polls to save down ticket races. But, I do now believe that many of them deluded themselves into thinking they were really going to win because of those polls that basically screened out minorities. The victory is so much sweeter to me knowing that so many of those fools thought they were going to win. Rove said once they create their own reality and that’s what did them in.

edp4bho

Morning trose and POU. After reading the article, quickly, I didn’t notice the rate of black men’s votes for PBO this election, but I recall George Curry on Rev Al on Friday stating that that segment voted 5% less for PBO than they did in 2008. Guess they climbed on the Corny/Travesty bandwagon this year. Not surprising. Speaking for the AA population, black women have been most crucial for advancing the cause of liberation, equality, freedom and justice in these United States.

GN

Utterly true:black women have been most crucial for advancing the cause of liberation, equality, freedom and justice in these United States.

But I gotta give it to the brothers. Men in general tend to be less progressive, but black men still stuck with President Obama 87-88% in 2012.

For four years of trolling from frick and frack, those are incredibly weak results IMO.

edp4bho

Yes, I was nonetheless encouraged that a large majority stayed with us. Shame on the few who bailed due to some misperceptions of PBO not addressing their needs. Funny, most of those I hear on radio decry the demise of some leader of color, or the unspecificied assist to the black community. IOW, healthcare for AA’s doesn’t count if it is not labeled “black” healthcare. Hardly do I hear mention of the pay out to the black farmers, the entitlements to HBCUs, the Jobs Act held hostage that would/should have created thousands of jobs for us, but also needed to be administered on a local level.

GN

It’s straight propaganda, and best believe they’re going to keep it up. The trick is to gloss over what President Obama has done, make demands (some/most of which are impossible), and move the goalposts when called out. I see the sole patrol do this nonstop.

7thangel

women in general are more engaged in voting.

Miranda

Oh I was rushing to get some breakfast before work Friday and went into a Burger King since the drive thru line was extra long. This AA dude in front of me said (all loud) to the young woman taking his order “I’m upset my man lost! Romney! We needed to get that ole Barack outta there, we republicans gotta stick together!”….she just pursed her lips and then she and I gave each other “the look”. Trifling ass kneegrow was so ignant, he really thought one of us was gonna say something to his stupid butt – we kept it right on moving. From what I have heard and seen from the black men who “claim” they were not voting for PBO, it was simply a case of regular ole, run of the mill, ENVY. Nothing more, nothing else…just straight hatin.

trose1

IMO,I found Black men to be more enthusiastic than before about PBO. They seemed to be more open to speaking about the election/ issues.
It could be a regional thing.
In the end we did it.
Black women need to take an estra bow because obviously we carried more than just PBO to a win.

jds09

This data is so important. It’s the ” intersectionality” piece. What more important race or gender?

I’ve worked in white female liberal environments (nonprofit agencies funded by the Violence Against Women monies) where they will argue until they are blue in the face that solving gender inequality solves everything. But I’ve watched them protect their white privilege time and time again. It usually manifests itself as aligning with white men over the distribution of resources and the sharing of power.

The more I think about it, the less surprised I am.

trose1

Ms Wiley wanted to explore that point this AM. MHP was not interested in the story.
I will never understand how/why the majority of White people vote against their own self interests.
White women had a lot to lose under a Romney adminsitration. Boogles my mind.

TresL

I’d be interested to see those statistics by region. The confederate south skews all national results which is why I always disregarded the national polls throughout this election. In my view that region of the country is a lost cause and in retrospect secession might have been a good thing. LOL!!!

They rate the lowest in all positive national statistics and the highest in all negative national statistics. They are the most dependent on the government they despise and receive more taxpayer dollars than they pay. For centuries, they have either slowed, sabotaged or blocked this country’s progress. Every issue with them becomes a hostage negotiation and the only way to move them into the future is to drag them there kicking and screaming, of course.

GN

That’s a really really really good point. I always forget that the South has destroyed national polling in light of PBO and that state/regional breakdowns are mandatory to try to discern patterns.

Aquagranny911

Excellent share & I found it especially interesting that women & men in CO broke evenly for PBO. I will have to share this with my daughters for their take on this. They were on the ground in CO.

rikyrah

President Obama made the South – IRRELEVANT as far as electoral politics is concerned. It’ s nice that he won FLA AND VA,but he didn’t need them.

…By the early 20th century the message was clear: black people did not belong in American political society and had no business wielding power over white people. This attitude has died hard. It is not, in fact, dead. Despite the achievements of the civil rights movement, African-Americans have seldom been elected to office from white-majority districts; only three, including Mr. Obama, have been elected to the United States Senate since Reconstruction, and they have been from either Illinois or Massachusetts.

The truth is that in the post-Civil War South few whites ever voted for black officeseekers, and the legacy of their refusal remains with us in a variety of forms. The depiction of Mr. Obama as a Kenyan, an Indonesian, an African tribal chief, a foreign Muslim — in other words, as a man fundamentally ineligible to be our president — is perhaps the most searing. Tellingly, it is a charge never brought against any of his predecessors.

But the coordinated efforts across the country to intimidate and suppress the votes of racial and ethnic minorities are far more consequential. Hostile officials regularly deploy the language of “fraud” and “corruption” to justify their efforts much as their counterparts at the end of the 19th century did to fully disenfranchise black voters.

“The depiction of Mr. Obama as a Kenyan, an Indonesian, an African tribal chief, a foreign Muslim — in other words, as a man fundamentally ineligible to be our president — is perhaps the most searing. Tellingly, it is a charge never brought against any of his predecessors.”

And this is why MACY’s will never get my business again. Closing my account. Did anyone see the new Xmas commercial featuring the Chump (Trump) as the grinch? Funny ha ha bullshit !! Do not take my money and call me a fool.

I told my Grandson who loves Olive Garden all about this. He sighed & said: “Well, I guess it will be Marcelinos (a local joint) from now on.”

He’s a good kiddo.

qosine

Cool Grandson. Got Plan B all ready!

Alma98

Yes I forgot about those two. I hate Olive Garden anyway but love RL biscuits. I guess I’ll have to make my own lol.

qosine

Homemade will work. Of course, for me, I say BF, will you cook something up?

Alma98

LOL!

Alma98

LOL!

Miranda

Yeah, Macy’s really f’ed up. Done with them.

jziglar

I like how media idiots like Bob Scheiffer said that Obama won a close election when the fact is Obama won in an electoral landslide. It wasn’t even close. Now if the shoe was on the other foot they would be saying that Romney won big. What a joke our media is.

GN

These are unelected people, some of whom are trying to use their high perches in the media, on blogs, etc. to have a disproportionate (and IMO undeserved) influence over the governance of the country. Nothing else accounts for so much dishonesty and spin.

qosine

Yes, like that creep Grover Norquist. I could not believe elected representatives filled out pledges to him, and used it as a plus point in their campaign literature.

I’d like to see their reaction if PBO did that.

edp4bho

I had a dream of a dead fish. Dreams have meaning. Old white men are a dying breed in America. Nuf said.

Aquagranny911

Really? I don’t think I ever dreamed of dead fish but I have dreamed of live ones. I wonder what that means?

Alma98

My mother says it means someone in the family is pregnant. You have something you want to us AG? lol!

Good afternoon POU fam. Im asking all prayer warriors at POU to pray for me as I have some difficult decisions to make in the months ahead. As you all know Ive been working on OFA for the past several months to ensure the re-election of President Obama. During that time I had to place my plans of going back to school on hold. Now that the election is over I have to get back to the planning of my next steps. November 7, I went to an open house at a college near me to see if their program interested me. Great college but the program lasts 5 years and is very expensive. There are other programs Im investigating including some out of state.
POU fam, I need your prayers in taking the correct path. Im slightly confused about which direction to take and when I make the final decision I want to feel confident as it will affect me for the next few years of my life. Thanks POU fam!!

Aquagranny911

Prayers & positive thoughts going out to you. Just a little advice…I’m sure you have probably discussed this with the important people in your life. Consider what they have said & then listen to your inner voice. Follow your own heart & good luck.

edp4bho

You got it !

edp4bho

You got it !

Alma98

Will do Dannie! I know you’ll make the right decision.

qosine

How exciting!

The Occupational Outlook Handbook, Dept. of Labor is useful in matching up your career with college programs. Your OFA
experience might open some doors/look good on your applications
for school/finance.

Also I’ve been thinking about the way the PBO campaign used the census to win votes. That could be useful to looking at trends for your career/profession/occupation short and long term.

Wow Americans know something about Canadians lol. I’m looking into a program through the Gov. My prob is I’m just confused which avenue to take. Thanks

crazycanuck

Wow Americans know something about Canadians lol. I’m looking into a program through the Gov. My prob is I’m just confused which avenue to take. Thanks

sagittarius

Prayers going up! He will answer them, Dannie!

Rhoda

Good luck dannie, I’m praying for you. I know whatever you choose; God will take you in hand and you will find success!

Gc

I’d be happy to!

Gc

I’d be happy to!

Miranda

Sending my prayers…it will all work out.

rikyrah

you have my prayers, and I have faith that you’ll make the right choice – for you

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

Sending you prayers for wisdom and guidance.

MsKitty

Consider it done!

GN

@AP:
BREAKING: AP source: Target of emails from Petraeus paramour is State Department military liaison -RJJ

Aquagranny911

This is going to get uglier. No wonder Petraeus resigned.

morphus

HP: 37-year-old Jill Kelley in Tampa, Fla., received the emails from Petraeus biographer Paula Broadwell that triggered an FBI investigation.

qosine

Wow. Isn’t Tampa where Patraeus was headquartered?
Woman in every port?

morphus

Next, the ‘revelations’ from Cantor’s whistleblower?

http://pragmaticobotsunite.blogspot.com/ Sepia

He’s got hoes in different area codes.

Alma98

If Petraeus thought resigning would end inquiries as to why, he’s wrong. This isn’t going away any time soon, it’s turning into a hot mess.

itgurl_29

Tiger, Tiger Woods, y’all!!

Lisa M

I heard this morning that one of the pundunces was trying to say that these scandal was a black mark against the President.

I forgot who said because I was gobsmacked by how Saint Petraeus’ failing reflected poorly on the President. I’m still amazed by the lack of scandal in this administration.

Alma98

This doesn’t have a damn thing to do with PBO, it’s all on Petraeus.

rikyrah

it’s not the fault of POTUS that the man couldn’t keep it in his pants.

GN

Seriously; it’s not like President Obama had Petraeus out on the stroll or something; not his fault he was a ho.

malletgirl02

I read on the front page of the Washington Post that there is a challenge to the 1965 voting rights act. Does anyone have more information on this? Are there any plans for the moderator of Pragmatic Obots to do a post about it?

crazycanuck

I saw this on Twitter. I’ll like to hear more about this also.

Alma98

It was mentioned in one of the threads this week, try the Nov. 7th or 8th threads.

Aquagranny911

What I understood & could be wrong is they want to remove the part where the Fed has to approve changes to voting laws in some states, most are in the south & AZ is on the list. At this point the Fed can oversee elections & intervene like they did in FL & TX & also AZ over the ID law they tried to pass here as well as the disgusting hooha over our uncounted ballots.

It’s one of those BS state’s rights challenges that originated in TX I think.

crazycanuck

WTH, why should the President hire that liar and racist RMoney. These pundits really are a bunch of wackjobs.

Alma98

I think this is something dreamed up and put out by Romney supporters. If you remember Rmoney said the same crap during his concession speech. I’m paraphrasing, He said I hope President and I can work together on America’s problems. I think they are trying to pull a fast one.

qosine

Romney could be an anti-ambassador.
PBO: OK, [leader of country], you better straighten up, or
. . . I’m sending The Romney.
Leader of Country: Be back in five.