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Hello everyone, One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter that distracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that

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Hello everyone,

One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter that
distracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that helps me
is to see mind chatter (that is reasoning through words) as only one
approach to understanding.

There are others. For example simply seeing something or feeling something
provides a different form understanding which does not need reasoning for it
to be valid. The simple experience is sufficient.

I am so conditioned to reasoning that I practically dismiss any experience I
have not reasoned through. I feel a good exercise for me, inside and outside
meditation, is to accept experiences without reasoning through them.

What will help here is an appreciation that words are limited. Whatever I
translate into words diminishes the underlying experience. Something is lost
in translation.

It might take years to undo the automatic reasoning that kicks in on every
experience but I feel this appreciation is a start - with practice I should
get better. And one day....
(I will not need words!)

Rushikant Mehta

Tony, you are a sound meditator. Does the reasoning not produce a sound wave ? Ever been attentive to that ? Can more emphasis on that lessen it on words, gnaw

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Tony, you are a sound meditator. Does the reasoning not produce a sound wave ? Ever been attentive to that ? Can more emphasis on that lessen it on words, gnaw away your attachment to intellectualization & hasten your coveted "one day"?

Tony Osime <tony.osime@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter thatdistracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that helps meis to see mind chatter (that is reasoning through words) as only oneapproach to understanding.

There are others. For example simply seeing something or feeling somethingprovides a different form understanding which does not need reasoning for itto be valid. The simple experience is sufficient.

I am so conditioned to reasoning that I practically dismiss any experience Ihave not reasoned through. I feel a good exercise for me, inside and outsidemeditation, is to accept experiences without reasoning through them.

What will help here is an appreciation that words are limited. Whatever Itranslate into words diminishes the underlying experience. Something is
lostin translation.

It might take years to undo the automatic reasoning that kicks in on everyexperience but I feel this appreciation is a start - with practice I shouldget better. And one day.... (I will not need words!)

Tony, you are a sound meditator. Does the reasoning not produce a sound wave
? Ever been attentive to that ? Can more emphasis on that lessen it on
words, gnaw away your attachment to intellectualization & hasten your
coveted "one day"?

One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter that
distracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that helps me
is to see mind chatter (that is reasoning through words) as only one
approach to understanding.

There are others. For example simply seeing something or feeling something
provides a different form understanding which does not need reasoning for it
to be valid. The simple experience is sufficient.

I am so conditioned to reasoning that I practically dismiss any experience I
have not reasoned through. I feel a good exercise for me, inside and outside
meditation, is to accept experiences without reasoning through them.

What will help here is an appreciation that words are limited. Whatever I
translate into words diminishes the underlying experience. Something is lost
in translation.

It might take years to undo the automatic reasoning that kicks in on every
experience but I feel this appreciation is a start - with practice I should
get better. And one day....
(I will not need words!)

Yes, you got it right. Try that. Just see & feel the sound & refuse to think how & why of it. It s gonna be touturous. Live it out to be out of the habit of

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Yes, you got it right. Try that. Just see & feel the sound & refuse to think how & why of it. It's gonna be touturous. Live it out to be out of the habit of being centered on thinking, a bondage. Have patience & persistance. All the Best !

Tony Osime <tony.osime@...> wrote:

Hello Rushikant,

Thanks for your advice.

Are you saying that if I focus more on the sound of what I say, I will"think" less about what I say?

Tony, you are a sound meditator. Does the reasoning not produce a sound wave? Ever been attentive to that ? Can more emphasis on that lessen it onwords, gnaw away your attachment to intellectualization & hasten yourcoveted "one day"?

Tony
Osime <tony.osime@...> wrote:Hello everyone,

One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter thatdistracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that helps meis to see mind chatter (that is reasoning through words) as only oneapproach to understanding.

There are others. For example simply seeing something or feeling somethingprovides a different form understanding which does not need reasoning for itto be valid. The simple experience is sufficient.

I am so conditioned to reasoning that I practically dismiss any experience Ihave not reasoned through. I feel a good exercise for me, inside and outsidemeditation, is to accept experiences without reasoning through them.

What will help here is an appreciation that words are limited. Whatever Itranslate into words diminishes the underlying experience. Something is lostin translation.

It might take years to undo the
automatic reasoning that kicks in on everyexperience but I feel this appreciation is a start - with practice I shouldget better. And one day.... (I will not need words!)

Yes, you got it right. Try that. Just see & feel the sound & refuse to think how & why of it. It's gonna be touturous. Live it out to be out of the habit of being centered on thinking, a bondage. Have patience & persistance. All the Best !

Tony Osime <tony.osime@...> wrote:

Hello Rushikant,

Thanks for your advice.

Are you saying that if I focus more on the sound of what I say, I will"think" less about what I say?

Tony, you are a sound meditator. Does the reasoning not produce a sound wave? Ever been attentive to that ? Can more emphasis on that lessen it onwords, gnaw away your attachment to intellectualization & hasten yourcoveted "one day"?

Tony
Osime <tony.osime@...> wrote:Hello everyone,

One of my greatest meditation challenges is to quell the mind chatter thatdistracts me as I go deeper into my sessions. One discipline that helps meis to see mind chatter (that is reasoning through words) as only oneapproach to understanding.

There are others. For example simply seeing something or feeling somethingprovides a different form understanding which does not need reasoning for itto be valid. The simple experience is sufficient.

I am so conditioned to reasoning that I practically dismiss any experience Ihave not reasoned through. I feel a good exercise for me, inside and outsidemeditation, is to accept experiences without reasoning through them.

What will help here is an appreciation that words are limited. Whatever Itranslate into words diminishes the underlying experience. Something is lostin translation.

It might take years to undo the
automatic reasoning that kicks in on everyexperience but I feel this appreciation is a start - with practice I shouldget better. And one day.... (I will not need words!)