As the end of this comes to a close, I realize how anti-climatic this really is. A month of voting just for me to say, "Yup, looks like X game won!" I hope that's not disappointing for anyone.

Originally Posted by Justin

If Last of Us wins I will be in shock. The game was great but was it "legendary"? Ocarina of Time was and forever will be the premier Zelda title, and the main reason many bought an N64.

I personally think Windwaker > OoT. Maybe it was because I played Windwaker first. Maybe OoT is held so highly because it was played first, and hit the younger audience harder. Age is a factor that's just part of the process.

i personally don't think Zelda is the best game of all time, i do however understand why others think so. i was there. i understand what it was able to achieve back when we didn't have the concept of "lighting" or realtime lighting.

Greatest of all time is different for everyone. We all have different tastes in gaming and preferred genres. No one is right over the other, and we are all free to adore the games we use to pass the time.

Greatest of all time is different for everyone. We all have different tastes in gaming and preferred genres. No one is right over the other, and we are all free to adore the games we use to pass the time.

As much as I like GTA V though, I would replace it with Grand Theft Auto III as one of my best games of all time.

Originally Posted by PS4freak

Same here regarding GTA 3.

I feel like continuing to credit old games as the 'best of all time' is a flawed concept as you almost always have 'nostalgia goggles' on while doing it. Once you step back take the nostalgia out of the equation you see old games crumble in comparison to contemporary games.

I understand that those old games are so great because they paved the way for these newer ones and established important milestones, but that is a separate award category. Something like 'most influential of all time' I dunno. Because once you include the phrase "of all time" you are including the games out right now, and the games out right now are light years ahead in almost all categories whether it be graphics, controls, narrative acting/dialouge etc

Every time I go back to an old cherished game of mine, I do because of the good memories I have of it and almost every time I'm surprised at how bad it looks and clunky it feels (despite being the best of their time). Its hard for me to phrase it, I tried

I closed the poll, as it's clear that The Last of Us is the victor here. I want to thank everyone that participated in the votings. I set out with the goal to add a little discussion and activity to the forums, and I think that was accomplished.

Originally Posted by Itachi

I feel like continuing to credit old games as the 'best of all time' is a flawed concept as you almost always have 'nostalgia goggles' on while doing it. Once you step back take the nostalgia out of the equation you see old games crumble in comparison to contemporary games.

You're definitely right. Nostalgia plays a large influence in this kind of thing, and it can cloud better judgement. Like Ocarina of Time and Windwaker as an example. Largely speaking OoT is much loved and WW is forgotten by many, but I found Windwaker to be the better game. I notice many singing OoT's praise were young kids when they played it, and also played it before WW. Another example is how Oblivion and Skyrim is favored more by gamers over Morrowind, despite Morrowind being the blatantly better RPG experience. It's because for many gamers Oblivion/Skyrim was their introduction to the series.

In regards to GTA3 and GTA5, GTA3 may have left a larger impact on someone because it was so new in its gameplay and scope at the time, whereas GTA5's gameplay and setup is already known and mostly expected. So, understandably, for some it may be the 'better game'. But if we're honest here, it's obvious that GTA5 is the superior title; bigger map, more gameplay content, physics, better graphics, multiplayer, better controls, and an overall more refined and polished gameplay experience that developed from and surpassed GTA3. You wouldn't catch me dead playing GTA3 over GTA5, because GTA5 is everything GTA3 is but bigger and better.

I feel like continuing to credit old games as the 'best of all time' is a flawed concept as you almost always have 'nostalgia goggles' on while doing it. Once you step back take the nostalgia out of the equation you see old games crumble in comparison to contemporary games.

I understand that those old games are so great because they paved the way for these newer ones and established important milestones, but that is a separate award category. Something like 'most influential of all time' I dunno. Because once you include the phrase "of all time" you are including the games out right now, and the games out right now are light years ahead in almost all categories whether it be graphics, controls, narrative acting/dialouge etc

Every time I go back to an old cherished game of mine, I do because of the good memories I have of it and almost every time I'm surprised at how bad it looks and clunky it feels (despite being the best of their time). Its hard for me to phrase it, I tried

I understand what you are saying but in the same sense you have to think about what it did for its time also and not just a nostalgia factor. I look at Gta 3 vs 5 and I look at one how much fun I had playing it and 3 trumps 5 for me. Also Gta 3 was ground breaking because it completely revolutionized the series. It discarded the top down view for 3rd person and made for a hell of an open world for the time.

The story lacked compared to 5 though. But with 5 it wasn't the first time we had seen this. San Andreas did most of what 5 did but 5 was a beautiful game for being open world. In all honesty I thought it was completely over rated but that is simply my opinion.

I think about how much a game played its strengths and what it did in terms of advancement of video games and GTA 5 just didn't do a whole lot in that second aspect.

In regards to GTA3 and GTA5, GTA3 may have left a larger impact on someone because it was so new in its gameplay and scope at the time, whereas GTA5's gameplay and setup is already known and mostly expected. So, understandably, for some it may be the 'better game'. But if we're honest here, it's obvious that GTA5 is the superior title; bigger map, more gameplay content, physics, better graphics, multiplayer, better controls, and an overall more refined and polished gameplay experience that developed from and surpassed GTA3. You wouldn't catch me dead playing GTA3 over GTA5, because GTA5 is everything GTA3 is but bigger and better.

I'm sure some will say the same about Morrowind and Skyrim, saying that Skyrim is the better game, but that didn't stop you from nominating the older game and later telling us how you were disappointed that it lost.

GTA V is my second favorite title in the series and I like the driving and physics in that game more but not so much the story (even though there are some cool missions like Fresh Meat). Grand Theft Auto III's Liberty City is also more unique of a playground which I personally like in an open world game.

I'm sure some will say the same about Morrowind and Skyrim, saying that Skyrim is the better game, but that didn't stop you from nominating the older game and later telling us how you were disappointed that it lost.

GTA V is my second favorite title in the series and I like the driving and physics in that game more but not so much the story (even though there are some cool missions like Fresh Meat). Grand Theft Auto III's Liberty City is also more unique of a playground which I personally like in an open world game.

Exactly. That exact same thing could be said in regards to F3 and Morrowwind. It laid the ground work but my time with it just trumped that game. No matter what, no one is wrong in their choice.

I'm sure some will say the same about Morrowind and Skyrim, saying that Skyrim is the better game, but that didn't stop you from nominating the older game and later telling us how you were disappointed that it lost.

I don't see why that matters. My point wasn't about a difference of opinion, but instead nostalgia misleading a more honest evaluation. It doesn't matter what game people think is better, only the reasons why.

I feel like continuing to credit old games as the 'best of all time' is a flawed concept as you almost always have 'nostalgia goggles' on while doing it.

For a game to be worthy of the GOAT status, I feel it needs to be a game you can keep playing or re-playing for years and years and still enjoy it.

That's what I personally based my nomination choices on (DOOM, Sonic 2, and Final Fantasy X). I've replayed those games so many times, I've lost count. And I still love playing them.

Was The Last of Us a great experience? Yes. But I personally played it once and don't feel like playing it again anytime soon. I need to let some time go by and see if a game stands the test of time and stays fun.

Okay, so when you say Morrowind is blatantly better than Oblivion or Skyrim, are you taking into account the controls, graphics, content, physics etc?

No, I said it's better as an RPG experience. You or anyone else would be exceedingly hard-pressed to argue otherwise. I'll list some bulletpoint examples, because my intent here isn't to actually convince anyone that one game is better than the other. These were just my reasons:

1) Enemies don't level with the player, meaning the player is actually fallible and open to biting on more than they can chew. This naturally makes working to level up and planning battle strategies more rewarding.

2) Attributes and levels for skills matter more, such as the roll-the-dice chance mechanics, and the effectiveness of magic, melee fighting, potion making, etc.

3) Greater variety of outside environment and dungeons.

4) You cannot magically teleport everywhere with a fast-travel system. Given quests rely on the player to explore and pay attention to the story at hand. You have to actually wander and explore the world to get places and accomplish goals.

5) Greater customization of what the character can wear and use.

6) Several other reasons... Things like potions and scrolls also mattering, as well as player choices being capable of breaking quests. You're more free to do as you like, and your actions can come with consequences.

All of these are, in mostly or entirely direct ways, attributes to the fundamental RPG experience within the Elder Scrolls games. There are others things too, but they're not quite as objective about it; the lore is more engrossing, better music, more intriguing landscape, etc. Those are obviously opinions though, with little argumentative value behind them. Naturally this cannot (and should not) prevent people from favoring Skyrim or Oblivion, because again that's not the point I was making. I was just saying that nostalgia can cloud a more objective perspective. It is, after all, innately biased.

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