During the third quarter, Samsung sold 56.3 million smartphones, giving it a global market share of 31.3 percent. Apple only sold 26.9 million iPhones in the same quarter. The Samsung Galaxy S III alone accounted for 18-20 million shipments from July to September.

While Samsung did well in the smartphone department, particularly with its Galaxy line of devices, it didn't do so hot in chip sales. The chip division dropped 28 percent to $1 billion USD.

Samsung rocked a healthy profit overall this quarter, but many worry that the electronics maker won't see this amount of money rolling in next year as the smartphone market continues to grow competitive.

In fact, Samsung's profit is expected to grow 16 percent next year -- down from this year's predictions of 73 percent.

Samsung has other strong businesses, like tablets and OLED TVs, but analysts say these sectors aren't quite ready to sell the way that Galaxy is selling.

Samsung's tablets, in particular, haven't been able to keep up with the like of the iPad and Kindle Fire. Now, with the iPad Mini and Windows 8 tablets making a fresh appearance into the market (not to mention Google's Nexus 7 and a refreshed Kindle Fire HD line has made its way into the market), Samsung seems to continuously fall behind.

Samsung also took a hard hit with tablets due to its patent war with Apple. Apple worked pretty hard to ban Samsung's smartphones and tablets around the world, and successfully accomplished this in countries like Germany and Australia. Samsung launched a few lawsuits of its own regarding 3G patents, and was also able to lift the ban on its Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia in December 2011. However, Samsung wasn't so lucky in Germany, where the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still banned.

Back in August, a jury in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California reached an unfavorable verdict for Samsung, saying that the South Korean electronics maker was guilty of violating technology patents. In other words, most of Samsung's smartphones and tablets in question were found guilt of copying Apple's iPhone and iPad designs. It was ordered to pay $1.05 billion in damages to Apple.

Earlier this week, Samsung Display decided to cut ties with Apple, saying it will no longer ship LCDs to Apple next year. Its LCD shipments to Apple have been cut more and more over time due to Apple wanting huge discounts, but the recent patent infringement drama couldn't have helped either.

More recently, an ITC judge found that Samsung violated four Apple patents, including the flat front face with wider borders at the top and bottom, the lozenge-shaped speaker about the display screen; the translucent images for applications displayed on the screen, and the device's ability to detect when a headset is plugged in.

Samsung did get a little bit of relief in the UK, though, when a judge ordered Apple to post a notice on its UK site that Samsung didn't copy the iPad. Apple complied, but in a very snarky way.

I just don't see how Samsung can remain competitive with Apple, Google/Motorola, and Windows since the only thing Samsung generates revenue from is hardware sales.

Samsung sold 2x as many phones as Apple and made less profit. (Recognizing that not all profit came from just phones).

Apple and Windows can control the quality of the apps (no malware) where Samsung has no input in the validation process of apps.

If you can't control the user experience, then you don't control your destiny. I believe Samsung will remain profitable, but I don't see Samsung having the same type of current success. At least not from phones.

You are having an extra thick headed weekend arent you? I am not quite getting your point.

"Wait, Google earns four times more from iOS than Android? "

Can you name me one business that wouldn't like to make money when its competition makes a sale? Sounds like a great deal to me. I know Googles financial model is a bit to complex for you to follow. Just look at the end results. They just had a 14 billion dollar quarterly revenue.

As far as the rest, as a business model - Android hasnt been around that long. It takes time to cultivate, you lay the foundation then reap the profits. It wasn't that long ago that Apple was losing money hand over fist and if not for a bailout from MS and other investors, they would have gone under completely. Surely you must have heard of the term "investment". It's something businesses do to obtain future profit.

Honestly, you sound just like Tony right now. It's amazingly similar how you both see all the possibilities of Apple's future business, yet when looking at Google, you see right now today only and have blinders on the future and what its all about. Whatever. I keep forgetting you arent here to learn or debate. You are only here to defend Apple, so your kind of a waste of time (and skin)

quote: You are having an extra thick headed weekend arent you? I am not quite getting your point.

And isn't it ironic. Dontcha think? A little too ironic. Yeah I really do think.

quote: Can you name me one business that wouldn't like to make money when its competition makes a sale? Sounds like a great deal to me. I know Googles financial model is a bit to complex for you to follow. Just look at the end results. They just had a 14 billion dollar quarterly revenue.

1 - And how much of that revenue was from Android2 - Can you name me one business which earns more money when its competition makes a sale who would regard it as a profitable move to try and reduce said sales with sales which generated them 1/4 of the revenue? Sound like a great deal to you?3 - How much profit did the part of that 14 billion which was from Android generate? The total profit for all $14 billion was $2.18 billion, and that includes all of Google, of which Android is a tiny percentage.

quote: As far as the rest, as a business model - Android hasnt been around that long. It takes time to cultivate, you lay the foundation then reap the profits. It wasn't that long ago that Apple was losing money hand over fist and if not for a bailout from MS and other investors, they would have gone under completely. Surely you must have heard of the term "investment". It's something businesses do to obtain future profit.

Logic... failure. I've already told you that saying 'it takes time to cultivate' isn't an answer. It offers precisely zero logical method by which Google will monetize Android. It's nonsense, it's not an answer.

The existence of ANY company who needed investors doesn't do anything at all to showing how a specific company will generate profit from a specific product. That comment could not really have been any more irrelevant.

As for Apples future business, huh? I haven't even formed any kind of opinion on that, and I don't care. What on earth are you talking about? The only numbers I've mentioned are what Apple itself has forecast, along with analysts, based on Apples track record of generating huge profits. Do you think we have to look in the future to see an Apple which makes big profit, given that they made 75% of the profits in the smartphone industry earlier this year?

The only thing you're doing is blindly defending a companies ability to make profit when it has shown absolutely no indication that it can monetize Android in any kind of effective way which will increase the money it currently gets off iOS. You're the one guessing about the future, defending a strategy which has no tangible evidence of working - you're only here to defend Android. So YOU'RE a waste of time.

Not wanting to defend Google, but they make more than enough money. The consumer operations side subsidies the Enterprise area, where they have historically been weaker versus MS. Android ties into their overall Enterprise and home user strategy. You use a Google Chrome book in the office, (wearing your Google Glasses obviously) writing Google docs and storing them on your Google Drive in the cloud, using Google Maps to navigate to your client meeting, then have a teleconference using your Gmail with Google Voice and everybody else is using Android Phones or Nexus tablets to remotely connect, with what you are typing instantly translated in realtime by Google Translate. It gains in their ecosystem's growth and helps to monetize their investment in Cloud computing and all those colossal data centers.

The Android OS offers Google an ability to track you wherever you go, (to help improve their traffic mapping amongst other things) harvest your usage data to sell to marketers, use you to improve their services and to lock you in, should it wish, to its future technologies. They probably even record the voice searches and speech to text you dictate and use this to build up an overall profile on you. They have done this all legally because the disclaimer in their all-in-one terms of usage which you didn't read properly and just approved, allows them to. In the same way Apple want you to use iCloud and Apple maps, free services which pay Apple big-time in the data which they report back. This provides lock in to an ecosystem, and allows you to sell more to a captive market.

If Google really wanted to kill the iPhone it would simply stop iPhone users and Safari browsers from using any Google service and watch people change phones and Macs overnight. That would be an evil move for sure, but who is to say what the cause of the greater good is? I'm not sure the arbiter should be Google, which is after all beholden to its shareholders.

Don't bother... He doesn't understand the concept of investment, or synergy as it relates to a business. Either that or he is just being obstinate as it serves his agenda.

It's not making money right now as observed via the internet so thats a fact. LOL. By that standard, Apple should have closed the doors in the late 90's as they werent making money either. Oh, wait, they invested, developed products and then mad money later with a group of synergistic product lines. Wow, kind of like a business plan.

A very good question. The problem mobile poses for Google, and which Android does not answer, is that all the evidence so far very strongly points towards ads per user being a lot less lucrative on mobile devices than on the desktop via a browser. This means, as internet access becomes steadily more important and prevalent on mobile devices compared to the desktop/browser, there is a tendency for the erosion of Google's revenues and margins.

For four straight quarters Googles revenue per click has fallen strongly, but this has been been offset by the growth in the scale of of ad clicks which in turn is linked to Googles focussed attempts to increase ad coverage in it's various properties and services.

But that latter process has inherent limits, the whole of the search results page cannot be ads for example, and so that limit on extending ads can only overcome the erosion of the click price for so long. In the medium to longer term Google really needs to find a way to monetize mobile, Android is not doing it for Google so far.

In the world of mobile devices only two companies are making substantial profits and that is Samsung and Apple. Both make actual devices. One buys in it's OS and ecosystem, one makes it's own, but both make devices which are sold for a profit.

The other big players are all moving towards making their own devices. Two, Google and Amazon, are doing so at costs and as a result are still not making money from mobile (note Amazon's loss this quarter). They may have to make device sold above costs to start making profits and of course Google's selling at cost has a tendency to undermine it's broader OEM family. Microsoft has just started selling it's own mobile devices and is trying to make a profit doing so.

But selling devices in large numbers and a healthy rate of profit is very hard. Apple have done it for a long time and Samsung took the only sensible option which was to initially clone Apple's efforts/products/designs in order to bootstrap it's way into a dominant position in the Android ecosystem and now can afford to (hopefully) move away from the crasser forms of copying. It seems to be doing just that no doubt nudged along by it's legal losses.

What Samsung decides to do now with it's utterly dominant position in the Android ecosystem, and how it's relationship with Google evolves, will determine what happens to Android as a whole.

quote: Google thinks it outsold Apple phones 2.5 to 1 in 2011, 4 to 1 in 2012 and very likely 5 to 1 in 2013. Google will be raking it in once it all comes together. Its called laying the foundation.

Why do you derive happiness from the fact that Samsung sells a lot of phones, and in so doing makes less than half the profit Apple does? Why does it matter to you how many sales each makes?

And Google? They make more money off iOS users. They aren't making much money off Android at all. You say they are 'laying the foundation' but that's a vacuous response which underlines that they have no real way to monetise Android. It's like Facebook all over again, loads of users, very little profit.

"Why do you derive happiness from the fact that Samsung sells a lot of phones"

1st off, I don't derive happiness from it. I am not invested in either Google or Samsung, and if they both went away I coundn't care less. As long as I get the best product I can get. If Google and Samsung went away it would only be because something much better aced them out of it.

"and in so doing makes less than half the profit Apple does? Why does it matter to you how many sales each makes?"

Why does a companies profit matter to you? Apple, Sammy and Google all make plenty of profit. What is your concern with which is higher? As a consumer I am focused on what makes the best products at the best price. With Apple you pay more and get less when looking at the features most people care about. That is why its outselling Apple 4 to 1 and that gap is widening.

What is so hard to understand about that? You are just being thick headed or argumentative... Or both.

It doesn't? But it matters more to the companies than number of sales. So if we're going to compare companies on their terms - profit is the way do to so.

quote: With Apple you pay more and get less when looking at the features most people care about. That is why its outselling Apple 4 to 1 and that gap is widening. What is so hard to understand about that? You are just being thick headed or argumentative... Or both.

Actually, Samsung is selling less (in terms of money) than half of what Apple is selling. Given that both the iPhone 5 and the iPad (4) now are faster both in CPU and GPU terms than any comparable Android, that both lead the app stores (particularly the iPad) and both lead the battery life ratings, while the iPhone is the thinnest and lightest flasship phone at the moment, you most certainly cannot describe any other phone as offering 'more' - unless you're a biased fanboy.

CPU, GPU. All plenty fast enough. At this point its just a pissing contest. Battery life? Pretty good on all. App store? Pretty good on both. I know Apple has advantage in those areas but you forget things Apple lack.

I've already told you, you're not referring to a specific phone. If you want to claim that another phone offers more, name it. That spec list is absolutely meaningless without a physical product behind it.

It is absolutely LAUGHABLE that you so flippantly disregard the fact that the iPhone and iPad have the fastest CPU and fastest GPU of any devices within the industry.

Truly. Look at the site your on, tech enthusiasts. To try and claim that the most fundamental performance of the phone is irrelevant just absolutely underlines your fanboyism.

Similarly, to say battery life is 'pretty good on all' when any even remotely educated person knows that battery life is generally POOR on all, is a joke. But the iPhone most likely beats the specific device you're going to have to name.

So, name the specific device to which you are referring which you claim is offering more than an iPhone, but costs less, and I will educate you. Tenner says you don't - because you can't. And until you do, as I said, that list is just one big empty nothing, unrelated to any product.

I love how you put your crumby opinion into all. I said that Apple has an advantage on CPU, GPU and battery. I said they are all pretty well fast enough - right now, Aple does have the speed advantage, but in 4-5 months we will have a whole new slew of chipsets out and Apple will have another 6 months to go before it gets a refresh. It will always ebb and flow. There arent any areas on modern Android phones where I see it lacking for speed. As far as battery, its pretty good on all platforms. You say its all bad, but whatever, the difference is small. I have had my GS3 since July. I have Wifi, bluetooth and GPS all on 24/7. I charge it every night before I sleep like most people do. I have yet to see it go below 50% except when I was camping in Sedona and had no electricity for 4 days, where my spare battery came in very handy. Way beyond you , I know.

The only thing I took out of that list was flexibility in hardware, because that was referring to Android as a platform. Lets also not forget hte iPhone 5 just came out. There are a ton of great Androids coming in the next several moths that will blow hte GS3 away.

3 - NFC - sorry, but this really hasn't taken off in any meaningful way which customers need and now that the iPhone 5 doesn't have it, its take-up will be even slower. Factually correct though, so I'll give you it:

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4 - Better Mapping Software - sorry, but many Apple users have found that they prefer Apple maps. For those who don't, there is maps.google.com, and Google is about to release maps for iOS which will include all the Android features. Also, on iPhone there are numerous other alternatives like Waze which people find more useful than Google Maps.

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5 - Plays HD Content (without downscaling) - sorry, but as mentioned, the pixels are not true RGB pixels so the quality of video that you'll actually be seeing is lower than you would see on the iPhone.

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6 - Greater than 5x4 icons - Sorry, but on the iPhone you can have as many icons as you want by simply swiping through screens. Unless swiping is too difficult for you, this one is irrelevant. Also, if you really wanted this (which basically nobody does - which is also a relevant point), you could jailbreak.

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7 - Flexibility in OS - Sorry, but this is only a benefit if the OS your phone comes with is inadequate. Jailbreaking is just as possible on iOS but people don't feel the need to do it because the default capabilities work.

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8 - Micro SD Card - yep, although you can buy a $2 adapter to use this, and the vast majority of people don't want or need this because they have Wifi, Cloud storage, local storage and because Micro SD cards are very slow in terms of transfer speeds. I'll give you this one because it's factually correct.

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9 - Micro USB - Sorry what's the advantage here? Charging? Sorry but I am quite capable of plugging in the supplied charger into a phone. Unless you believe all the millions of iPhone users are struggling to work out how to charge, this one is irrelevant. But it's factually correct, so I'll give you this one:

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10 - Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files - Again, this can be done on iPhone - simply get a USB adapter which are very cheap. It's also not something that there aren't hundreds of workarounds for - but it's factually correct so I'll give you that.

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11 - Removable Battery - Portable charging kits make this not an advantage at all. Portable charging kits are the same cost, weight and size as replacement batteries and serve exactly the same purpose. Factually correct but irrelevant for most.

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So that's 5 valid points you've made, all of which are irrelevant to most customers. So now I get to make a list:

1 - The SG3 is the same price on contract as the iPhone 5 in many countries. So isn't even necessarily cheaper2 - The iPhone 5 is thinner3 - The iPhone 5 is less wide4 - The iPhone 5 is less tall5 - The iPhone 5 weighs less.6 - The iPhone 5 has a proper full pixel display with higher sub pixel density than the SG3 despite covering a smaller area.7 - The iPhone 5 has a faster CPU than the SG38 - The iPhone 5 has a faster GPU than the SG39 - The iPhone 5 has a longer battery life than the SG310 - The iPhone 5 has Airplay and can mirror the display directly to an Apple TV11 - The iPhone 5 is connected to iOS which has more, higher quality apps.12 - The iPhone 5 is connected to iOS which has less malware than Android.13 - The iPhone has a track record for leading customer satisfaction ratings.14 - The iPhone has a track record for leading reliability ratings.15 - The iPhone 5 is superior in drop tests when compared to the SG316 - The SG3 has issues with Wifi, with 50% of the complaints filed related to Wifi issues17 - The SG3 comes installed with bloatware18 - The SG3 doesn't receive OS upgrades when they are released, the iPhone receives them instantly.19 - The iPhone has a track record of OS upgrade support for over 2.5 years for every device which the Galaxy line does not.20 - The iPhone 5 screen colour & calibration is superior, compared to the oversaturation on the SG3 screen.21 - The iPhone 5 is made of aluminium instead of plastic22 - There are more accessories for the iPhone 5 which means it's actually more flexible.23 - The SG3 was vulnerable to the recent remote wipe hack.24 - The SG3 can record fewer photographs per second.25 - Syncing with Outlook PST files is very difficult if not impossible on Android.26 - Display brightness is poor on the SG3 which makes outdoor viewing inferior27 - The SG3 has no hardware camera button

The rest of your comment can be split into 2 types:

1 - Crying about future phones which may or not be better. That's irrelevant. Your claim wasn't based in the future. And phones like the SG3 hadn't even caught up with the iPhone 4S GPU despite coming out 9 months later. So it isn't guaranteed anyway.

2 - Anecdotal evidence about battery life which couldn't not be any more irrelevant. I could tell the exact same story and just replace the name with iPhone and double the percentages.

So what does all this prove? I don't claim it proves that the iPhone is the best phone, but it most definitely proves that you cannot compare the prices of this to the SG3 given the whole host of ways in which it is superior, and also that you can never objectively say that the SG3 offers more.

Dude. For someone who claims Android and Android phones are a dead end, you sure seem to follow it closely. Most of your points are wrong, and I was going to write up a rebuttal. But looking over your prolific posting above, it's just going to fall on deaf ears.

I say this with all due respect: Get a life. It's a phone, not a religion.

I will address one point for the benefit of others. Once you reach a certain angular resolution, pentile (or some other version or RGBG) is indistinguishable from RGB. That war was fought and decided in the early 2000s. Most cameras use Bayer filters (RGBG), while Sigma came out with a technology where each pixel was full RGB. The benefits are there at extreme zooms (e.g. when tightly cropped), but once your resolution (or PPI for a display device) gets high enough, there's no benefit. The difference is simply indistinguishable to the eye. The reason is because the color resolution of your eye is lower in red and (especially) blue than it is in green.http://nfggames.com/games/ntsc/visual.shtm

So once you reach a certain resolution, any additional red and blue pixels are just wasted, while additional green pixels still provide noticeable improvement. Basically the extra R and B pixels on the iPhone are pointless. By the time you hold the screen close enough for them to start to make a difference, the green resolution has long since become sub-par. OTOH with a pentile display, the R, G, and B resolution become sub-par closer to simultaneously.

So the higher effective resolution of the S3's pentile display produces clearer images (to the eye) than the higher subpixel resolution of the iPhones RGB display. The iPhone's subpixels are improperly tuned for our eyes. If you use a magnifying glass or take a close-up picture, the higher subpixel resolution of the iPhone looks better because you've enlarged the image beyond your eye's red and blue resolution threshold. But that is irrelevant because people don't look at phone screens with magnifying glasses or close-up lenses in normal use.

Don't believe me? Have you ever had a problem with JPEG images? Every JPEG file you've seen takes advantage of this - to save file space it contains lower red and blue resolution than it does green. Viewing a JPEG image on a full-RGB display is pretty much the same thing as viewing a pentile image on a full-RGB display.

You were going to write a rebuttal - but you can't, because all of my comments are factually the case.

You say 'get a life' as if any of my points are disputable or represent my 'opinion'. They aren't. They are all proven via independent benchmarks, or just logical facts.

Your claim that PenTile is indistinguishable from RGB is the only flat out raging fanboy denial here, so I tell you - it's a phone, not a religion - accept the reality that PenTile is inferior.

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quote: You’ll notice on a PenTile screen that certain colors won’t display correctly. Such is the case of the DX2 or Atrix which use a RGBW layout – the pixels have to constantly fight with each other to produce the correct color that you should be seeing. You may also struggle to view black text over white backgrounds on websites when zoomed all the way out or find yourself with a headache after quickly scrolling. And then there is the fact that everything tends to look a little grainy. It’s very difficult for a Pentile RGBW display to produce straight lines, some times leaving spots with an almost jagged (or grainy) edge to them.

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Furthermore, the PPI of the SG3 is not at the point where the PenTile is not obvious.

quote: The disadvantages of PenTile are widely recognized to be fuzzy text on some color combinations (most noticeably saturated red) and color fringing on high contrast edges on the screen . For the most part it is not visible but it is one of those cases of “when you see it, it is hard to disregard”. PenTile panels also tend to skew colors when viewed from an angle . The disadvantages become less prominent when the resolution moves up and with its 1280x720 pixel resolution (for more on pixel resolution controversy see our Nexus article), Samsung should have ironed out the most visible effects but the argument remains . Samsung agreed when they launched the Galaxy SII but it seems that they have reversed their stance on the matter without any technical breakthroughs, which surely seems contradicting. In the end we guess it all comes down to marketing instead of integrity. We had hoped to see a Super AMOLED “Plus” screen with RGB in Galaxy SIII but unfortunately it failed to materialize this year.

Furthermore, your argument on angular resolution and visual acuity simply buys into Apple's fixed distance, 20/20 vision claim. The reality is that average people have better than 20/20 vision, and even not being able to distinguish the subpixels doesn't take away the other effects such as fringing on black text. It is certainly not the case that RGBG is superior to our own eyes, the only arguments in favour of PenTile is that you can't notice that it's worse. That isn't the same thing. If you argue that you can't notice it - then you also wouldn't notice the downscaling of HD movies, or the higher resolution which is claimed on the SG3. Fundamentally, the SG3 has fewer sub pixels with which to represent pictures, and those fewer pixels are spread over a larger area.

For many, many people - including me, I can visually see the inferior quality.

Contrast to the iPhone 5 review on Anandtech:

quote: Wrapping up, the iPhone 5 display is a quantum leap better than the display on the iPhone 4. Contrast levels and light output have both been increased, and color performance is astonishing. The full sRGB gamut is present here, and color errors are remarkably low even for a high end desktop display. While many were hoping for a move to OLED or some other screen innovation, this really is a huge step up that is very easy to quantify. To put this in perspective, in the past few years I've reviewed probably 30-40 different displays, from PC monitors to TVs to projectors. Not a single one, out of the box, can put up the Gretag Macbeth dE numbers that the iPhone can, and perhaps one projector (which listed for $20,000) can approach the grayscale and color accuracy out of the box.

As for your question regarding JPEG images - they are most definitely inferior (visually - and obviously) in terms of quality when compared to PNG or BMP. That's obvious, which kinda defeats your whole rant.

Finally - you can be absolutely sure that Samsung, when it releases the next phone with AMOLED+ (the plus is even their admittance that it's superior) will be pointing out that the new display isn't PenTile and how that's superior.

quote: You were going to write a rebuttal - but you can't, because all of my comments are factually the case.

No, it's because I have a life and have better things to do than troll on tech forums all weekend.

quote: Your claim that PenTile is indistinguishable from RGB is the only flat out raging fanboy denial here, so I tell you - it's a phone, not a religion - accept the reality that PenTile is inferior.

Way to miss my point. A pentile display is indistinguishable from RGB once you reach sufficiently small angular resolution. Once you reach that point, it's a more efficient allocation of sub-pixels since it better matches the peculiarities of the human eye's color sensitivity.

At lower ppi, the RGB display is better. But once you reach that threshold ppi, the pentile display is indistinguishable and the RGB display is wasting sub-pixels. Per Apple's marketing, the Retina display is at that point, and hence it's wasting sub-pixels compared to a 4.5 inch 1280x720 pentile display.

At higher ppi, both are wasting pixels, but the pentile display is wasting fewer pixels.

What does Androids "profitability" have to do with anything? It's like you, Tony, and Takin seem to take this point of view that the most profitable product, or company, is automatically the best for everyone. Do I need to point out how flawed that is?

Exactly... This isn't a financial news site it is a consumer tech site. One companies profit vs. another is irrelevant. What a product gives the user and at what cost is relevant. Market share is to an extent because it relates to how many users have it, but profit? Only relevant if the company is in danger of going out of business... Like for HTC and RIMM its relevant, not for Google, Samsung or Apple - None of them are going anywhere.

quote: What does Androids "profitability" have to do with anything? It's like you, Tony, and Takin seem to take this point of view that the most profitable product, or company, is automatically the best for everyone. Do I need to point out how flawed that is?

quote: Exactly... This isn't a financial news site it is a consumer tech site. One companies profit vs. another is irrelevant. What a product gives the user and at what cost is relevant. Market share is to an extent because it relates to how many users have it, but profit? Only relevant if the company is in danger of going out of business... Like for HTC and RIMM its relevant, not for Google, Samsung or Apple - None of them are going anywhere.

You replied to the wrong comment. He stated that I was saying that Android was a 'dead end'. I corrected him by stating that a previous comment (waaaaay up the thread) - which is the only real point I've made on Android - is about its profits. This article is about profits, so it's relevant. I never said it is important to the consumer, I'm arguing the facts, not the importance.

The comment thread your reading addresses all of the things you get on the iPhone which aren't on Android phones, thus representing arguably better value for some people. Certainly, as my point proves, you cannot equate the two and then compare prices as if they are equal.

quote: What does Androids "profitability" have to do with anything? It's like you, Tony, and Takin seem to take this point of view that the most profitable product, or company, is automatically the best for everyone.

Way to try and lump me in with Tony, who is basically on the flip side of the same loony coin you and many people here are.

Profitability only matters in discussions of stock price, which do pop up here from time to time. It also matters when it comes to developers, but that is a completely different point thing from how profitable Apple is.

However much Apple makes or doesn't make on iDevices has little bearing on product quality itself, there isn't a direct correlation there. I have devices from many many companies and run multiple operating systems. I have no horse in this race, I just pick the best tools for me. The fact that Apple make the best specced devices on the market with the best developer support is a completely different subject, and one that I actually do argue.

Pentile displays are definitely inferior. It's not so obvious on photos or videos, in fact in those cases they look pretty good. It's mostly visible on graphics like icons (e.g., the icon for Chrome). With my Galaxy Note next to my Nexus 7, the speckled look of the pentile display is quite noticeable. E.g., the yellow-ish area of the Chrome icon seems to be a speckled pattern reminiscent of what you'd see in the print for a supermarket catalogue. This is despite often reading online that the resolution of such displays is high enough for the pentile pattern not to matter. Well, it's obvious to me, and I'd hate to have eyesight so bad that I couldn't tell the difference. I would also assert that there must be some reason that (so far as I know) Samsung changed to a full RGB subpixel layout for the Note 2.

In fact, the OLED screens I've owned (Pentile or not) have made me quite a fan of LCDs for the moment. Comparing my Note to my iPhone 5, the difference in colour quality is absolutely enormous, and the display on the Galaxy Note was lauded in reviews. The default settings from Samsung are horrible (way oversaturated), but even on the least gaudy setting there's not much positive to say other than that the black is good (as you'd hope for OLED). Colour shift on OLED (issues with blue tint due to differing lifetime of different subpixels, etc) are real-life issues.

Bayer filters and 4:2:0 YCbCr are different issues. 3CCD and 4:4:4 are better anyway, it's just a matter of how much better versus the cost.

Yeah, anyone who can't tell that they're looking at a pentile display should be thankful for poor eyesight.

Other than that, most Android devices I've seen have very inaccurate color calibration. I'm surprised that this is still a problem, but maybe not calibrating at the factory is a way to cut costs.

As someone that works in imaging, I have all of my desktop monitors and my HDTV plasma color calibrated, and iPhones and iPads are the only ones that I'd call anywhere close to accurate. Anandtech's color tests on the iPhone 5 review confirmed it.

They also confirm what I'd been saying about the S3 color settings for a while, but I guess if oversaturated settings with too much contrast are considered "good", then great. I know there are people out there that run their LCD HDTVs with an awful "sports" preset and that 60fps frame interpolation on, and they think it looks fantastic. It doesn't mean that they're right, but whatever makes them happy.

See post above. I the ppi is insufficient so you can see the sub-pixels, then it's inferior. But once you pass that point, pentile (or RGBG) is a more efficient allocation of sub-pixels while remaining indistinguishable from RGB.

quote: It's not so obvious on photos or videos, in fact in those cases they look pretty good. It's mostly visible on graphics like icons (e.g., the icon for Chrome). With my Galaxy Note next to my Nexus 7, the speckled look of the pentile display is quite noticeable.

You do realize even RGB has color fringing? The sub-pixels are not overlaid on top of each other (as they are on Sigma's Foveon camera sensor). They're usually arranged side-by-side. If you look closely enough at either display, you will see color fringing.

The key factor for both RGB and RGBG is that the sub-pixels are small enough to be indistinguishable to the eye. RGBG reaches this point sooner than RGB, allowing you to meet the eye's maximum resolving power with fewer subpixels (i.e. lower sub-pixel ppi).

quote: In fact, the OLED screens I've owned (Pentile or not) have made me quite a fan of LCDs for the moment. Comparing my Note to my iPhone 5, the difference in colour quality is absolutely enormous, and the display on the Galaxy Note was lauded in reviews. The default settings from Samsung are horrible (way oversaturated)

That's completely dependent on color calibration and has nothing to do with the quality of the display. Android currently lacks support for color profiles, and it's one of the things I wish they'd add. Without support for color profiles, the colors you get are purely based on the electrical characteristics of the display.

I suspect Apple has support for color profiles built into iOS because the color accuracy of its iOS devices has been remarkably consistent. When Android adds color profile support, this will become a non-factor.

In terms of the potential quality of the display (after you can profile it), what's more important is gamut - how deep a red, blue, or green it can display. And OLED completely wipes the floor with LCD in gamut.

quote: Bayer filters and 4:2:0 YCbCr are different issues. 3CCD and 4:4:4 are better anyway, it's just a matter of how much better versus the cost.

As I've been saying, 3CCD is only better if you lack sufficient resolution so that the individual red and blue sub-pixels are still distinguishable. Once you exceed that resolution (as is claimed with Retina displays), RGB and RGBG become indistinguishable to the eye, and you can achieve the same performance using fewer sub-pixels arranged in an RGBG array instead of RGB.

LOL. Wow, what a long post for someone that claims to be un-biased. Your attempt at being pedantic makes you look more of a fanboy than ever. I wholly disagree with almost everything you wrote, but hey, I have a bit of time, so I will waste a bit more on you. Note, this will be my last post on it, as I have better things to do than sit here and argue with a troll like you.

Lets keep in mind, I started out taking the benefits if the Android platform and you (knowing you cant win that debate) wanted to stear it to be about one phone, so I gave it to you and was correct, but the fact is its NOT about one phone. If you want certain features on Android you buy the phone with those features. With Apple, you are stuck.

As for the lists, you just put in any crap comment to invalidate points doesn't make them invalid. And you just putting in any feature doesn't make it worthwhile to most.

"1 - Larger screen - Yes it is and it is a good thing. Most people want larger screen, that is what is selling froa reason. Even Apple copied this feature and went up this round. You had an empty biased response

2 - Higher resolution screen. this is also true. Pentile isnt quite as good as std, but AMOLED's color rep. is just brilliant. Either you havent looked at a GS3 vs. an iPhone5 side by side (I have), or you are just parroting. While technically speaking the non-pentile may be higher quality, all in all the GS3 wins and it IS a higher res. An empty biased response

3 - NFC - Yes, it is taking off. I am sure next year when Apple adopts it, it will suddenly be imoprtant LOL. An empty biased response

4 - Better Mapping Software. Sorry, you saying some prefer Apple maps means nothing. Google maps is widely known to be far better, and even on Android vs. IOS, its far better. Another rediclous response.

5 - Plays HD Content (without downscaling) - this also is true. I watch it quote alot and its brilliant.

6 - Greater than 5x4 icons - Sorry, but on the iPhone you can have as many icons as you want by simply swiping through screens. - - LOL. I am talking about one scren you dolt. And 5x4 is lacking. Add it up, its 20 icons and its irritaing as hell to have to go through 5 home screens to get to all your regularly used apps. That defeats the point of a "Home" screen.

7 - Flexibility in OS. Wow, you really dont get it. It's not about the OS it's about options. They all have iconsand run the same apps. ITs not about what an OS lacks, its about what else you CAN do with it if you want it.

8- Micro SD Card - yep, although you can buy a $2 adapter to use this - Yes, becasue its wonderful to carry around and adaptor when it should be built into the phone like everyone else has.

9 - Micro USB - Sorry what's the advantage here? Come on, we have been over this before. The thing is to not have to bring your own adaptor everywhere you go because every other phone built on Earth for the past 4-5 years uses the same one and you can charge it anywhere. The advantage is compatibility.

10 - Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files. Again, you need an adaptor to carry around.

Wow, what a great bunch of responses you have. OK, now you have your iPhone and are up to carrying around 3 separate adaptors just to have the iPhone be on par with GS3 (Micro USB, SD, Flash drive compatible) Or is it just 2 and the usb one serves as dual purpose? DO you put them in a separate pocket or just get a separate case? LOL

NOw, lets quickly pick apart your list

1. OK, yes in some countries price is equal. In the US for example, but hte carrier pays that extra price. It DOES cost more.2,3,4.5 OK thinner by a bit, but hte rest isnt a win its a loss. ITs becasue of the larger superior screen.6. MAybe. Ill give it to ya.7,8,9. We already went over this. Yes for now its faster. Wait a few months and well see.10. FFS< now we need to buy Apple TV. If anyone wanted that they would get an Android with HDMI out and plug it into ANY TV.11. OK, by a bit.12. OVerblown. As anetwork admin I manage almost 300 phones about 45/45/10 IOS/Android/Blackberry (BB users are pasing out as contacts expire) and havent seen a single infection on any platform.13,14 Zealotry... But yes, they are good quality.15. And the iPhone 4s wasnt. Every phone has its own.16. This is the first I have heard of Wifi issues. It cant possibly be very widespread.17. Yes, until you disable it.18. Yes, but IOS3 to IOS 6 is hardly an upgrade at all. Android upgrades really are upgrades so its harder to work in.19. Ist that 18?20. Meh... I look side by side and prefer the GS3 screen. Color and size are the 2 main factors.21. YEs and it scuffs badly. The GS3 plastic is super hard and doesnt scratch. I dont like its back though SUPER fingerprinty and irritating.22. PLugging crap into your phone to make it more useful? Better just to buy a better phone.23. prety much #12. It's patch was fixed before anyone even knew it was an issue. I call that good.24. LOL. I cant possibly LOL enough to this.25. Havent looked into it and dont see a purpose.26. False. It's fine. I have never had mine above 75%.27. HArware camera button? I press my main home button and get a pic.

Again, the above was about the GS3, but the fact is its NOT about one phone. If you want certain features on Android you buy the phone with those features. With Apple, you are stuck with one model.

quote: LOL. Wow, what a long post for someone that claims to be un-biased

Because a long list of objective facts indicates bias, in your faux-logic world? Or because your reply isn't also long? So you admit your biased because by your own logic writing a long post indicates bias?

quote: Lets keep in mind, I started out taking the benefits if the Android platform and you (knowing you cant win that debate) wanted to stear it to be about one phone

Er, no, that isn't the context. The context is that you described the iPhone as overpriced and I told you that given that it has numerous extremely important features / performance that no Android phone has, no single phone can be directly compared to it on price terms. You necessarily had to pick one or your comments were irrelevant.

quote: 1 - Larger screen - Yes it is and it is a good thing. Most people want larger screen, that is what is selling froa reason. Even Apple copied this feature and went up this round. You had an empty biased response

Actually, yours is the biased response. I stated a fact that for some people larger screen is a disadvantage, so it's not necessarily a good thing. You claim that 'most people want larger screen' - something not even provable, let alone a fact. The top 2 best selling phones of all time? iPhone 4S and iPhone 5. Sorry, what sells phones, did you say? There are also people for whom factually one handed use is not possible on the larger screen. The bottom line is that this one is subjective, not objectively something better.

quote: 2 - Higher resolution screen. this is also true. Pentile isnt quite as good as std, but AMOLED's color rep. is just brilliant. Either you havent looked at a GS3 vs. an iPhone5 side by side (I have), or you are just parroting. While technically speaking the non-pentile may be higher quality, all in all the GS3 wins and it IS a higher res. An empty biased response

Feel free to read Anandtechs analysis on the colour accuracy of the iPhone 5 and how it's the best he's ever viewed to be factually proven wrong on this, too. Sorry but the number of pixels is inferior and calling 4 sub pixels 2 pixels doesn't change that. I've seen them side by side and I see the over-saturation of colours that everyone else sees.

quote: 3 - NFC - Yes, it is taking off. I am sure next year when Apple adopts it, it will suddenly be imoprtant LOL. An empty biased response

Sorry, but where I live, it isn't, at all. And when Apple adopts it, you're right, it will become important because people will start to use it. Right now, because the best selling phone ever (and 2nd best) doesn't have it, shops and industry in general are less likely to use it. It's an example of Apple driving the industry. But remember, I allowed this point. It is factually correct.

quote: 4 - Better Mapping Software. Sorry, you saying some prefer Apple maps means nothing. Google maps is widely known to be far better, and even on Android vs. IOS, its far better. Another rediclous response

Actually, saying 'Google Maps is widely known to be far better' is simply factually not true. My claim that many people prefer Apple maps to Googles illustrates that it is subjective and that nobody can objectively claim one is better than the other. You are confusing subjectivity with objectivity. Also, you ignored the fact that Google Maps for iOS is coming out, that there are numerous free alternatives and that you can use Google Maps in the browser.

quote: 5 - Plays HD Content (without downscaling) - this also is true. I watch it quote alot and its brilliant.

Sorry, but to me if you're not watching on full pixels, you're not watching HD. You're watching downscaled HD. Also, nobody watching 'downscaled HD' on the iPhone could perceive any difference due to the superior sub pixel density.

quote: 6 - Greater than 5x4 icons - Sorry, but on the iPhone you can have as many icons as you want by simply swiping through screens. - - LOL. I am talking about one scren you dolt. And 5x4 is lacking. Add it up, its 20 icons and its irritaing as hell to have to go through 5 home screens to get to all your regularly used apps. That defeats the point of a "Home" screen.

I catered for 1 screen by referring to jailbreaking, so you can do what you describe on iPhone. You don't have to scroll through 5 screens, either, you could have folders. This is such a minor, irrelevant cosmetic detail it doesn't belong next to my much more important points such as fundamentally faster hardware and longer battery life.

quote: 7 - Flexibility in OS. Wow, you really dont get it. It's not about the OS it's about options. They all have iconsand run the same apps. ITs not about what an OS lacks, its about what else you CAN do with it if you want it.

A whole lot of words which doesn't give a single useful end goal which you can achieve on Android and not on iOS.

quote: 8- Micro SD Card - yep, although you can buy a $2 adapter to use this - Yes, becasue its wonderful to carry around and adaptor when it should be built into the phone like everyone else has.

Yes, because it's such an issue to carry a tiny light adapter whenever you need to use an SD Card (which for iPhone users is generally never). Adding it into the phone would start to make the phone ugly, plastic and oversized, which is why people generally don't find Android handsets to be desirable or as well made as iPhones. Besides, I allowed this point because it's factually correct.

quote: 9 - Micro USB - Sorry what's the advantage here? Come on, we have been over this before. The thing is to not have to bring your own adaptor everywhere you go because every other phone built on Earth for the past 4-5 years uses the same one and you can charge it anywhere. The advantage is compatibility.

Sorry but, I get a charger with the phone. If I need to use it, I use it. Because iPhones and iPads are the best selling in their genres, also more of my friends have iPhone or iPad chargers than any other type. I've never had to call on that though, so this is a complete non issue. Also, the SG3 breaks compatibility with MHL devices despite claiming to offer MHL. Also, Lightning is reversible, MicroUSB is not - minor but actually more beneficial than your claim. Also, it is more capable than MicroUSB allowing HD video and audio, as well as charging, and control to be carried, which microUSB isn't capable of (which is why Samsung created their own bespoke non compatible 9 pin MHL adapter in the SG3). Besides, I conceded this one as factually correct.

quote: 10 - Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files. Again, you need an adaptor to carry around.

Only if I don't know how to send emails, or use Wifi, or a computer. Or my phones data plan, or any of the hundreds of other methods which there are to transfer files. Besides, I conceded this one as factually correct.

1. It doesn't cost more to the consumer in that scenario.2. Thinner by a significant percentage.2-5 - being thinner, less tall, and less wide is most definitely an advantage. For obvious reason. Trying to explain why it happens (ie by the screen) is a separate point and doesn't change the fact that it's significantly smaller and lighter. You're just explaining why it is. That doesn't change the fact it is. And larger isn't necessarily 'superior' as we proved above.6. Good.7-9 (all faster performance) - You say 'wait a few months'. I've already explained why that argument is ridiculous. It doesn't change the fact that the SG3 is significantly slower, and you're claiming that the SG3 represents better value. With future phones, we don't know their cost, so they cannot be included in our comparison.10. Yes, you need to buy an Apple TV just like any solution involves purchasing hardware. You can plug an iPhone or iPad into a TV with a HDMI cable too, but wireless is far more convenient. In fact, I read somewhere that Airplay equivalent is the most Googled Android missing feature. The bottom line is that this facility surpasses anything you can do on Android and is a major benefit.11. Good12. If you need any of the hundreds of articles articulating more precisely the Malware numbers on Android vs iOS, just say the word and I'll link you several of them.13,14 Sorry but it isn't 'Zealotry' to state evidenced facts. There are loads of customer satisfaction and reliability surveys and Apple consistently outperforms Samsung in them. You breeze over this like it's insignificant, but savvy customers care a lot about how reliable something is.15. Whether the iPhone 4S wasn't superior in drop tests or not is irrelevant. We're talking about the iPhone 5. Stay focused. The iPhone 5 is superior in drop tests. Which means more durable, which again is something savvy consumers care about.16. Actually the Wifi issue represents 50% of all complaints about the SG3 - so it's very widespread.17. You can't remove all bloatware and I don't expect to have to waste my time removing it anyway.18. You claim that 'IOS3 to IOS 6 is hardly an upgrade at all. Android upgrades really are upgrades so its harder to work in.' which is both completely subjective, complete unsubstantiated and biased nonsense. The fact is that the release and upgrade cycles on iOS is superior. Undeniable fact. Yet you deny it.19. You said 'Ist that 18?' - sorry, but no. Getting upgrades instantly and getting upgrades for a long lifespan are two separate but equally relevant things. Android devices get completely dropped much quicker, so we have no reason to believe the SG3 will have long term support.20. Your view on the SG3 is completely biased because you own one. All insecure people who buy a phone try to justify it after. Anandtech took a more objective and scientific approach and concluded that the iPhone is calibrated perfectly.21. Even if Aluminium did scuff more, to customers it's a more desirable material.22. Plugging accessories in which aren't available on ANY phone is not the same as 'buying another phone'. The FACT is that there are more accessories for the iPhone, which makes it more feature-full and expandable. Good examples are speaker docking stations of which there is far more choice on the iPhone.23. Nope, 12 was Malware, the vulnerability was a whole different security failure.24. Recording a lot of pictures per second is actually extremely important to amateur photographers, it allows you to capture many shots over a few seconds and pick the best one.25. You don't see the purpose of being able to sync your Outlook emails onto your phone?26. The brightness on the SG3 is lower than that of the iPhone and a widely documented flaw in many reviews.27. Having to press the home button to take a picture is the point. On the iPhone the button is at the top right when you hold your phone like a camera. Far more convenient and another often made criticism of the SG3.

You say it's not about one phone, but it actually is. To claim that the iPhone offers less value for money you necessarily have to show an equally specced phone which is available for less. All of the above proves that an equally specced phone doesn't exist.

As I said before, they don't prove that the iPhone is the best phone (and I clearly don't think so because I haven't bought it) but they do prove that you can't objectively claim that the iPhone is less for more.

omg, testerguy wth is wrong with you? are you really that deluded or do you skew facts on purpose? either way it's equally rediculous. google yourself the term "self awareness" and do some thinking. you really need to stop. you are just making yourself look mentally imbalanced.

anyone slightly technically inclined knows that you get more with android. more options, cheaper prices and better fitting phones to your personal needs. that is why it is outselling iphone 4 to 1. i cant tell if you are just delusional or skewing things to troll, either way you need to stop.

quote: Pentile isnt quite as good as std, but AMOLED's color rep. is just brilliant.

No it isn't. If I was made to own an S3 the first thing I'd do is hunt for a color calibration app and throw a colorimeter on it. Factory color settings on almost every Android phone I've seen have been so far off from what anyone who knows wtf would call accurate, and the Samsung is no different. Way too oversaturated with too much contrast.

Summary: Apple is justified in giving LESS features, LESS benefits, LESS innovation... while charging crazy high prices, far beyond reasonable manufacturing costs... to support its quarterly billions.

You care more about Apple's quarterly profits and Apple products than you care about anything non-Apple. And here you are claiming "I don't defend ANY company".

You are a paid Apple shill, nothing more, nothing less. You are like Beenthere, Nortel and Tony Swash, a blithering, talking lump of human excrement... and to top it all off, you are worse than Jason Mick.

quote: Summary: Apple is justified in giving LESS features, LESS benefits, LESS innovation... while charging crazy high prices, far beyond reasonable manufacturing costs... to support its quarterly billions.

Way to not get it, at all.

Summary: 5 things on Android not on iPhone. 27 things that the iPhone does better.

I don't care about profits at all. Don't be ridiculous. I also never said 'I don't defend ANY company' - that's your own failed mis-quote. Go and try to find where I said it, you retard.

When I read such comments I always am glad that I personally also know iPhone-users who are not retards. :-)

You cannot just say 'phone X has 5 advantages and phone Y has 10 advantages, hence phone Y is better'. This is simply stupid.

It of course depends on the personal needs of a user and how important a feature is for him. And him alone, not you or me.

For me e.g. rSAP is a must-have-feature period. iOS does not support it. Neither doeas Android, but with Android I am able to root my phone, download an according App and voilá, here is rSAP.

Let's say you are right and the iPhone has a better display. So what? This does not help me when I want to use the phone in my car.

Also, I expect of my phone that it has a file browser, can act as USB stick (without needing any software on the PC!), supports bluetooth file transfer, SD-cards and has a well thought-out concept for a root user.

The iPhone would have to be able to teleport me or so to make up for these shortcomings.

Other people e.g. don't even own a car or don't need to have lots of phone calls while driving, so rSAP is not absolutely necessary for them. But it is for me.

Of course it looks ugly to you, its not Apple's product. Duh. Do you seriously think anyone here sees you as anything but another Tony Swash Apple-centric nutjob? You only post in Apple related articles and you only post pro Apple troll bait while ignoring any positive evidence about any competitors. I am not sure who you think your fooling. Maybe a few newb's to the site, but no-one else.

Anyhow, running Android 4.1.2 on my Nexus 7, I can guarantee this baby rocks. The OS is pure gold at this point. Add in a 2560x1600 10 inch screen and its rockin'... Overkill on the res to me, 1920x1200 would have been fine, but still a great tablet and a great OS, and I assume it will be $299 to $349 max, so once again, you get more and pay less with Android.

quote: All I've heard in the past few weeks is, "Design, design, design." Get over it. When did design start outweighing specs? Are you just going to sit there and stare at the device all day? No, you will use it and abuse it. Who cares if it is made out of ivory and unicorn blood, its a freaking slab of metal and plastic that you use to accomplish tasks. Don't let the gilded age of tech fool you. You do not want to get a device only based on design. Now that the rant is over, I am sure most of you know what device I am referring too. The Nexus 10 has potential to be the ugliest tablet I have ever seen. But it doesn't matter. It will ship with Android 4.2, it will have the highest resolution screen on the market, it will be powered by an A-15 processor, and it will be the first real 10 inch Nexus tablet. It may look terrible, but I guarantee you it won't matter after 15 minutes with the device. If it is light and thin (like BriefMobile says it is) and feels great in the hands, it doesn't matter if it looks like a mutated toaster.

What's actually happening is you're too desperate for anything non-Apple to succeed that you're blind to the fact that it's ugly. If it looked good, I'd say so. You only see me as an Apple troll because I'm constantly correcting your anti-Apple drivel.

quote: All I've heard in the past few weeks is, "Design, design, design." Get over it. When did design start outweighing specs? Are you just going to sit there and stare at the device all day? No, you will use it and abuse it. Who cares if it is made out of ivory and unicorn blood, its a freaking slab of metal and plastic that you use to accomplish tasks. Don't let the gilded age of tech fool you. You do not want to get a device only based on design. Now that the rant is over, I am sure most of you know what device I am referring too. The Nexus 10 has potential to be the ugliest tablet I have ever seen. But it doesn't matter. It will ship with Android 4.2, it will have the highest resolution screen on the market, it will be powered by an A-15 processor, and it will be the first real 10 inch Nexus tablet. It may look terrible, but I guarantee you it won't matter after 15 minutes with the device. If it is light and thin (like BriefMobile says it is) and feels great in the hands, it doesn't matter if it looks like a mutated toaster.

My point remains. Not released, not benchmarked, not priced, battery life not tested. The fact you 'guarantee' that it 'rocks' just makes you as bad as the Apple fan sheep who will buy anything Apple makes even if it sucks.

"Yeah because I can't possibly be joined by any other people who agree that it looks ugly"

My point is that you wouldn't like it no matter what because its not Apple's.

"My point remains. Not released, not benchmarked, not priced, battery life not tested. The fact you 'guarantee' that it 'rocks' just makes you as bad as the Apple fan sheep who will buy anything Apple makes even if it sucks."

You are an idiot. The Nexus line has a certain theme to it. Its pretty much barebones Android the way Google intended it without all the crappy vendor software in the way. It will be along those lines with the latest iteration of Android 4.2, and an A15 CPU and industry trumping resolution. Yes, its pretty much going to rock. As far as looks. meh, I agree, not a great looker. I have a Nexus 7, and yes, I can infer alot from it.

You arent even making decent points anymore you are just arguing to argue and trying desperately to get a hand up in the debate and not look like such a tool. Good luck with that.

quote: Yeah because I can't possibly be joined by any other people who agree that it looks ugly....

Yeah because I can't possibly be joined by any other people who agree that looks are nothing...

There are drivers out there who buy Porsche's and Ferrari's to attract chicks and don't know how to properly take care of their supercars. Then there are folks who drive a clunker from the 80's and know how to disassemble the main engine assembly, clean every part nut and bolt, and reconstruct it out of memory.

Because LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING! Because I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO TREAT ME LIKE A BUM! Because I MUST DEMONSTRATE MY COOLNESS TO OTHERS BY BUYING THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD!

Hahaha.

quote: What's actually happening is you're too desperate for anything non-Apple to succeed that you're blind to the fact that it's ugly. If it looked good, I'd say so. You only see me as an Apple troll because I'm constantly correcting your anti-Apple drivel.

It's the other way around. We see you as an Apple troll because you do nothing but praise Apple whenever we post something anti-Apple. I never see you commenting on other non-Apple topics.

And once again, looks are nothing. The consumer world hates anything to do with mainframes. They're ugly, not shiny, no bling, not cool. Yet... mainframes are what runs a large majority of the business world's needs. Meanwhile, your favorite iDevice cannot run a half-decent B2B app without a kernel panic.

quote: My point remains. Not released, not benchmarked, not priced, battery life not tested. The fact you 'guarantee' that it 'rocks' just makes you as bad as the Apple fan sheep who will buy anything Apple makes even if it sucks.

The fact that you have to go to such lengths to prove your point just makes you more of a paid Apple shill.

Tim Cook vowed to "double down on secrecy". Yet everyone knew what 90% of the final spec sheet for the iPhone 5 would look like by the time it was released. Apple kept a better secret on its iPod Touch 5th gen and new Nano than it ever did with iP5, amusingly.

You are in no position to tell us how "idiotic, illogical, and wrong" we are. Save all of that anti-social drivel for yours truly. Disgraced, scandal-ridden Republican House Representatives give resignation speeches with more courtesy than you.

"Samsung reported strong financial earnings in the third quarter, but now faces slowed smartphone momentum in the future as the market gets more crowded. "

Samsung posts almost as much profit as Apple...When Samsung isn't overcharging the customer like Apple is...and they get the negative BS about the market getting crowded but no mention at all like this in the Apple Story. Seems like if thats a big factor maybe it should have been mentioned in the Apple story for profit reporting also..or maybe this is slanted reporting.

quote: "Samsung reported strong financial earnings in the third quarter, but now faces slowed smartphone momentum in the future as the market gets more crowded. " Samsung posts almost as much profit as Apple...When Samsung isn't overcharging the customer like Apple is...and they get the negative BS about the market getting crowded but no mention at all like this in the Apple Story. Seems like if thats a big factor maybe it should have been mentioned in the Apple story for profit reporting also..or maybe this is slanted reporting.

The point is, forecasts for Samsung's growth next year are significantly lower, due to the anticipation of increased competition. For example, it looks like the Nexus phone announced next week may not be Samsung.

Also, Samsung Electronics makes less than half the profit Apple does on phones and tablets, not 'almost as much' (they make profit from other items). Apple is projecting a revenue of $56bn for this next quarter with the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini, with a 40-ish percent profit. Similarly, the Microsoft Surface is out, the Windows Phones have been released, Sony and LG and HTC have stepped up / are stepping up their offerings. But these devices tend to cannibalise Android sales, not iPhone sales. In other words, there are a proportion of users who want an Android, and they select between the desirable available options. There being more options will reduce the individual manufacturers shares.

Apple has been sue crazy probably because it felt threaten by Samsung. Apple, instead of having spent all that money suing, you should have spent it on making a better and cheaper cell phone. With and iPhone you can not even change the battery or add a memory card. For me, those two are major drawbacks and should have been taken cared of a long time ago. I think they did this to force consumers to buy new phones. That strategy works for a while, but consumers are not all that dumb.

If the short bans and blocks had not taken place? Perhaps this is the real worry for Apple. Apple won't get market share unless it competes at wider price points. What Apple management does pride itself in is margins and profit. Samsung seems to be catching up here. The share price will not survive a headline of Samsung beating Apple's profit.

And Tony, google just need Android numbers going up. Whether it is Samsung, Motorola or non brand OEM, it's all good for Google.

Samsung is the one who would have to be worried that so much of their revenue depends on Android. But right now neither Samsung nor Google need to change the way things are, as both their needs are being met - Samsung makes profit on HW and Google gets Android numbers up.

These revenue and profit figures also perhaps show that Apple's strengths (perceived and real) are not as valuable outside the US/western Europe. Globally there's simple more money to be made outside Apple's pricing.

Not to mention the major recent gaffes and mis steps. I for eg have been put off by iOS6 Maps (and using the gmaps webapp is not the same) and will seriously question and try to avoid any Apple purchase.

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