Dear Michael Voris, here are some clarifications about the issue of the SSPX:

1. I have not said that there are no reasons which would hinder a canonical recognition of the SSPX, but I said more cautiously "To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons".

Lionel:

The SSPX will have to accept an irrational theology and ecclesiology just like he does. They will have to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition.

They are not to say that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

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2. I have not said that the current canonical situation of the SSPX is OK. The contrary, because of the their uncanonical status it is necessary that they receive the recognition from the Holy See.

Lionel:

What about the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II ? They can receive canonical status without affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in agreement with Vatican Council II ?

3. I said that the SSPX should be received as they are, meanwhile. My thought is this: for pedagogical and pastoral reasons they should be meanwhile accepted as they are, in order to correct by time those things which have to be corrected in the SSPX.

Lionel:

The Vatican is using a new ecclesiology based on an irrational premise. The SSPX must give up the old ecclesiology ?

Bishop Schneider offers Holy Mass assuming LG 16 etc are exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.This is the basis of the new ecclesiology, the theology.He has accepted.Over time the SSPX will also must correct itself?

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4. I never said, that I support the positions of the SSPX about Vatican II.Lionel:Ambiguity. I only said, that there is on both sides, i.e. the Holy See and the SPPX an over-evaluation and overestimation of Vatican II, yet on opposing points of views.Lionel:Vagueness.

He is not aware of the exact cause of the hermeneutic of continuity and rupture. He is not familiar with that one precise factor, that missing link, which is the cause of the hermeneutic of rupture.

The question is the right measure, i.e. we must have an estimation and a good evaluation of Vatican II, but not in an exaggerated manner.

Lionel:

Vague.

Words!

He is not aware how avoiding a premise and inference can turn Vatican Council II into a traditional document with an ecclesiocentric ecclesiology.

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We have not to make Vatican II a Council isolated from all the previous Councils or a kind of super-Council...

Lionel:

Vatican Council II affirms previoius councils including the Council of Trent and the three Councils which defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 for example)

7. One has to have enough intellectual honesty and objectivity as to admit that the SSPX makes some theological criticism of some not strictly dogmatic affirmations in the texts of Vatican II and of some postconciliar documents, which have to be taken seriously...

Lionel:

Theologically they are using the same premise which is the basis of the liberal new theology. They are not aware of it and neither is Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate issue is taking on an unpleasant turn.The property of the religious community is owned by a lay Association in which Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, the founder, has confidence.The Association coordinated by relatives of Fr.Stefano, good Catholics , own the property in which churches and housing of the Friars, are located.This is the parish church, Santa Maria di Nazareth.Here live the Friars who offer the Novus Ordo Mass at Boccea, Rome.I often attend Mass in Italian here.The Association leadership is now asserting itself,it is learnt, and the Franciscans are not secure.They could be asked to move out.

There is concern that the property which housed the old philosophy seminary at Boccea-Casalotti,which Pope Francis closed down, would have to be vacated and handed over to the Association.The building which now houses some Friars and lay persons, along with the old church, could have to be handed over.

There is talk of a new road being built which would lead to the new church, recently dedicated by the bishop and which is on diocese property.Since the road which leads to the central seminary building is owned by the lay Association.Fr.Giuseppe Giorni F.I, the Parish Priest at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, said they do not know about the future and a new road could be built.

Will there be a reconciliation after the meeting of superiors next month? He said he did know not.

These are all good Catholics and it seems there is a hardening of heart on all sides.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate magazines Il Settimanale di Padre Pio, Christ to the World and a magazine for the monastic life, which I would read regularly are no more there. In fact after Mass there are no magazines available.

In October some of the young Friars living at this Casalotti, Boccea centre will attend philosophy classes at the pontifical universities in Rome.

These are all good Catholics and it seems there is a hardening of heart on all sides.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate magazines Il Settimanale di Padre Pio, Christ to the World and a magazine for the monastic life, which I would read regularly are no more there. In fact after Mass there are no magazines available.

in October some of the young Friars living at this Casalotti, Boccea centre will attend philosophy classes at the pontifical universities in Rome.They will have to accept the new ecclesiology, the new theology which is based on alleged exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.These exceptions are not visible and known to them but they have to be politically accepted as being visible and known exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So with this irrationality, a strange premise and inference, the ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass is changed.

So these young Friars, will have to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They will do it by using the dead-saved are visible theory( false premise).This is not Catholic.It is also heretical.

Since Fr.Stefano Mannelli does not accept this new innovated ecclesiology, he is no more the Minister General of the community he founded.

He offers the old Mass with the old ecclesiology and without any dead-man-walking-without-baptism theory.

Church doctrine is the basis of the present disunity in the community and the meeting of Superiors next month , under the new Commissar, is not expected to address it for political reasons.

The same position can be seen with the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX).Pope Francis is willing to accept the SSPX with canonical status as long as they accept that Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3,NA 2 etc refer to known and visible cases, for them to be exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.The SSPX accepts this error unknowingly. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre interpreted LG 16 etc as being explicit and so an exception to the dogma.This is how Bishop Athanasius Schneider interprets Vatican Council II with canonical status.

Fr.Sabino Ardito SDB, the new commissar of the community is not likely to say that Vatican Council II, without the irrational premise and inference, is in agreement with the Feeneyite version of the dogma and the old ecclesiology.He would be willing to dialogue with Fr.Stefano Manelli only if he accepted the new theology, the new ecclesiology.

Pope Francis is permitting the Traditional Latin Mass as long as the ecclesiology is based on Vatican Council II having explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.-Lionel Andradeshttp://www.smnazaret.it/