When I was in my mid 20s I use to take creatine, but no bro...nothing else...pwo is water or banana with my shake...and it's always a banana for pwo or just about anything. I usually have 2 or 3 of them a day, yes a day

Taking your protein with dextrose as the only type of sugar is not preferred. Should either be mixed with malto or sucrose. That's why I like Gatorade. It's designed for optimal rehydration and recuperation. Has dextrose, sucrose, and a bit of sodium for optimal uptake. Dextrose without another form of sugar tends to sit in the gut for a longer period. If your gonna take your protein with a single carb source your best bet would be maltodextrin.

Taking your protein with dextrose as the only type of sugar is not preferred. Should either be mixed with malto or sucrose. That's why I like Gatorade. It's designed for optimal rehydration and recuperation. Has dextrose, sucrose, and a bit of sodium for optimal uptake. Dextrose without another form of sugar tends to sit in the gut for a longer period. If your gonna take your protein with a single carb source your best bet would be maltodextrin.

Agree. Also think you guys using 60 or above grams of protein are just waisting powder. I'm not saying the body can't use 60 grams of slow digesting food protein. But very fast absorbing protein like whey is gonna top out around 30-40 grams before your body trashes the rest. There is only so much protein your body can use in given time frame. The whey time frame is limited because it digests so fast.

Eat 75 grams of protein from a steak your body can probably use all of it because the digestion rate is so slow.

For quick digesting protein I'm convinced that 30-40 is the magic number before your body trashes the remainder.

Better off having 2 30 gram shakes spaced out an hour apart than you are 60 grams in 1 shot.

That study I posted the other day noted that after 20 grams amino acids started being destroyed by the body. I believe the 20 gram number is low for us kind of fellas but I do believe it has some merit. For guys like us my bro science tells me it's probably 30-40 grams. No way it's 60 especially not for natty guys like Dana.

Bouncer I go by the philosophy of 1g-1.5g of protein per pound. Postworkout shake to me is any other meal. I eat about 40g-60g of protein per meal. What's so different about getting 60g of protein in my shake?

Bouncer I go by the philosophy of 1g-1.5g of protein per pound. Postworkout shake to me is any other meal. I eat about 40g-60g of protein per meal. What's so different about getting 60g of protein in my shake?

I already explained what's different. It's a very fast acting protein. It's not a chicken breast or a steak that sits in your stomach and has time for your body to slowly break down.

Let me put it to you another way. Why do you stop at 65 grams? Why not have 100 or 200 grams? Because you know there is a limit. I'm telling you when it comes to fast acting protein that limit is much lower than you think.

There is a reason you could not build a great physique on protein powder alone as your only protein source. It's different from food and only useful PWO when you need instant protein. You cannot think of powder as the same as a chicken breast, it isn't.

Unless your using slin with your pwo. Your body is not using that 65 grams guaranteed. Half that at best. Even less so if your natty I'd wager. 1 scoop of protein for a natty PWO is all your body will use like it or not.

I already explained what's different. It's a very fast acting protein. It's not a chicken breast or a steak that sits in your stomach and has time for your body to slowly break down.

Let me put it to you another way. Why do you stop at 65 grams? Why not have 100 or 200 grams? Because you know there is a limit. I'm telling you when it comes to fast acting protein that limit is much lower than you think.

There is a reason you could not build a great physique on protein powder alone as your only protein source. It's different from food and only useful PWO when you need instant protein. You cannot think of powder as the same as a chicken breast, it isn't.

Unless your using slin with your pwo. Your body is not using that 65 grams guaranteed. Half that at best. Even less so if your natty I'd wager. 1 scoop of protein for a natty PWO is all your body will use like it or not.

Good points bouncer. I'll drop it down to 30g of protein and 20g of dextrose

Do you think PWO shakes are needed even if you eat every 2-3hrs? I thought this was scientifically disproved. Protein shakes are basically clever marketing to gym rats and the rest of the gullible supplement community, billion dollar big business with high profit margins, etc.... no?

Do you think PWO shakes are needed even if you eat every 2-3hrs? I thought this was scientifically disproved. Protein shakes are basically clever marketing to gym rats and the rest of the gullible supplement community, billion dollar big business with high profit margins, etc.... no?

I think fast carbs and fast protein are needed only once per day and that is PWO. Definitely not scientifically disproved, actually a lot of science that proves it. I've posted a good bit of it in the supp articles section the last few months.

I did real food only for years and thought the same way but I've come back around when it comes to PWO.

I'm not against whole milk at all. Hell Arnold used to drink pure cream. Have at it bro.

But there are 2 reasons I wouldn't include it in PWO.

Fat is essential throughout the day. The only time it doesn't do a fucken thing for ya though is PWO. The body needs protein and carbs. Fat slows down this digestion process and does nothing beneficial for you in this pwo time frame.

Second reason is the type of protein in milk. Casein slows down digestion of everything it's eaten or drank with. Basically creates a layer of slime that in cases everything else you eat and slows digestion.

IMO of all the times throughout the day that would benefit you from drinking milk especially if bulking, you are picking the single worst time to include it because you "like the taste" and you "don't think it slows digestion much." Fuck sake.

Have the milk before bed with whey. That's the ideal time for slow protein digestion and some fat if bulking.

Just fyi dna, i did the math. 2 heaping TBSP of that powder equals exactly 30 grams carbs. i measure mine with a tbsp measure rather than using the scoop that comes with it. So I do 30 grams carbs, 30 grams protein, 5 grams creatine. Nice and rounded.

Jack you could say that about anything my brother. "I ate 7 meals a day, not sure if it did anything"... "I added an extra 100mgs of test into my cycle not sure if it did anything, I started taking creatine not sure if it did anything... the list goes on and on brother.

Your not always going to notice some extreme difference. But overtime all the things we know to be right due to science and experience make a huge difference.

Yup and i still say experiment on your own and don't just blindly follow. But at the same time keep in mind certain basics. Pretty much all the studies and science done on pwo nutrition says that fast acting protein and quick carbs with creatine is superior to anything else we could ingest. Real food is best at every single time of the day.. aside from right after a workout.. the science is unanimous.