keithbob wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.

I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.

[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.landyman3030

keithbob wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.

I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.

If 'Driver error' keeps cropping up time and time again in the same places then one needs to look beyond the obvious and try to discern the cause of the repeated 'errors'.
Chances are, you will find serious design error rears its head.
Most LGV traffic is not local to Newport and it can come as a bit of a shock to many people to come across such a horrendous obstacle as this roundabout on an 'A' road that serves as a ring road around a city and a frequent major diversion for when the motorway happens to be blocked for other 'driver errors' also frequently caused by outdated design.
People who think the M4 relief road is a bad idea should be condemned to drive around Newport in circles until they admit the error of their thinking.

[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.[/p][/quote]If 'Driver error' keeps cropping up time and time again in the same places then one needs to look beyond the obvious and try to discern the cause of the repeated 'errors'.
Chances are, you will find serious design error rears its head.
Most LGV traffic is not local to Newport and it can come as a bit of a shock to many people to come across such a horrendous obstacle as this roundabout on an 'A' road that serves as a ring road around a city and a frequent major diversion for when the motorway happens to be blocked for other 'driver errors' also frequently caused by outdated design.
People who think the M4 relief road is a bad idea should be condemned to drive around Newport in circles until they admit the error of their thinking.Radio Wales

Funny what is uppermost in people's minds at incidents like this. Lorry overturns, motorists get on top of the cab to get him out....and there he is, reportedly looking for his phone.

One suspects the police will be having a look at phone records too.....

Funny what is uppermost in people's minds at incidents like this. Lorry overturns, motorists get on top of the cab to get him out....and there he is, reportedly looking for his phone.
One suspects the police will be having a look at phone records too.....Aquarius

That roundabout is about the worst on the SDR.
Both me and my Brother spotted the roundabouts where too tight when the road first opened. Even in a people carrier you have to crawl around.
Had the road been properly laid out it would serve as a half way house to the M4 relief road.
However no one will pay the least bit attention to this problem until someone dies.

A couple of minor points. I too suspect the driver was on his phone. And Diesel doesn't burn.

That roundabout is about the worst on the SDR.
Both me and my Brother spotted the roundabouts where too tight when the road first opened. Even in a people carrier you have to crawl around.
Had the road been properly laid out it would serve as a half way house to the M4 relief road.
However no one will pay the least bit attention to this problem until someone dies.
A couple of minor points. I too suspect the driver was on his phone. And Diesel doesn't burn.smiffy76

Due the repeated occurrence and failure to dress these issues you have to ask whether Newport NCC is actually liable for this?

Do they not have a duty of care to ensure roads under their control are fit for purpose?

Poor design and / or lack of regulatory signs.
Due the repeated occurrence and failure to dress these issues you have to ask whether Newport NCC is actually liable for this?
Do they not have a duty of care to ensure roads under their control are fit for purpose?Good Job No Kids

It was a bit difficult at first, he was looking for his phone."
Hmmmm....
The plot thickens, trawl his phone records!
He wasnt worried bout imself or the damage to the truck, just his phone.

Man cannot live by phone alone.

It was a bit difficult at first, he was looking for his phone."
Hmmmm....
The plot thickens, trawl his phone records!
He wasnt worried bout imself or the damage to the truck, just his phone.
Man cannot live by phone alone.displayed

There are some pathetic comments about speed, phones, drinking, reading maps, etc. You idiots need to wait before judging. It's a good job we don't have plebs like you lot on juries every day otherwise all the innocents would be locked up pronto! That road is a total disaster and I can say that as an experienced HGV and car driver and motorcycle rider. It's design is a disaster and can catch out the most experienced in a heartbeat, plus you got the clowns in cars cutting up larger vehicles because they can. So if this driver who has overturned was on his phone or was doing all the things he is already accused of or speeding he will be found out. Until then stop pre judging and wait for the facts!

There are some pathetic comments about speed, phones, drinking, reading maps, etc. You idiots need to wait before judging. It's a good job we don't have plebs like you lot on juries every day otherwise all the innocents would be locked up pronto! That road is a total disaster and I can say that as an experienced HGV and car driver and motorcycle rider. It's design is a disaster and can catch out the most experienced in a heartbeat, plus you got the clowns in cars cutting up larger vehicles because they can. So if this driver who has overturned was on his phone or was doing all the things he is already accused of or speeding he will be found out. Until then stop pre judging and wait for the facts!taffymark

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Poor design and / or lack of regulatory signs.

Due the repeated occurrence and failure to dress these issues you have to ask whether Newport NCC is actually liable for this?

Do they not have a duty of care to ensure roads under their control are fit for purpose?

NCC are not responsible for the SDR. It is managed by a private company. Ringway I believe they are called.

[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote:
Poor design and / or lack of regulatory signs.
Due the repeated occurrence and failure to dress these issues you have to ask whether Newport NCC is actually liable for this?
Do they not have a duty of care to ensure roads under their control are fit for purpose?[/p][/quote]NCC are not responsible for the SDR. It is managed by a private company. Ringway I believe they are called.landyman3030

love to see 'golfer' driving one of these large vehicles tackling stupid roundabouts with three lanes narrowing on approach to bad cambers!.i myself used to drive the heaviest hgvs allowed on the road,and that was 44 ton fully loaded,and believe me when the s.d.r. opened and when i first drove down there those roundabouts frightened me and i knew there was going to be numerous accidents.we have our share of bad hgv drivers ,but please dont tag us all with the odd bad apple.

love to see 'golfer' driving one of these large vehicles tackling stupid roundabouts with three lanes narrowing on approach to bad cambers!.i myself used to drive the heaviest hgvs allowed on the road,and that was 44 ton fully loaded,and believe me when the s.d.r. opened and when i first drove down there those roundabouts frightened me and i knew there was going to be numerous accidents.we have our share of bad hgv drivers ,but please dont tag us all with the odd bad apple.keithbob

b3talover wrote:
One a month. Same stretch. Badly planned and dangerous. Modify ASAP before someone loses their life.

An innocent life already lost.Fatal crash on SDR September 2013. Rip and will never be forgotten.xx

[quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote:
One a month. Same stretch. Badly planned and dangerous. Modify ASAP before someone loses their life.[/p][/quote]An innocent life already lost.Fatal crash on SDR September 2013. Rip and will never be forgotten.xxwarneboy

Red lorry yellow lorry red lorry yellow lorry.......red lorry on its side due to driver error. (Assuming it wasn't a mechanical malfunction or he had to make an extreme manoeuvre to avoid injuring somebody)

Case closed.

Red lorry yellow lorry red lorry yellow lorry.......red lorry on its side due to driver error. (Assuming it wasn't a mechanical malfunction or he had to make an extreme manoeuvre to avoid injuring somebody)
Case closed.bobbajob

The report implies driver error, bur that's the 3rd lorry to do this in the same place in as many years - that can't be coincidence! The map shows the wrong location - ironically Nash Rd roundabout shown on the map is far worst, with misleading lane markings on the approach, then 3 marked lanes which a HGV cannot possibly negotiate without doing into a second lane. I've been cut up by more cars than lorries though - more so when on my motorbike. Hopefully the lane markings will be improved with the SDR being resurfaced....?

The report implies driver error, bur that's the 3rd lorry to do this in the same place in as many years - that can't be coincidence! The map shows the wrong location - ironically Nash Rd roundabout shown on the map is far worst, with misleading lane markings on the approach, then 3 marked lanes which a HGV cannot possibly negotiate without doing into a second lane. I've been cut up by more cars than lorries though - more so when on my motorbike. Hopefully the lane markings will be improved with the SDR being resurfaced....?chrisbart

Aquarius wrote:
Funny what is uppermost in people's minds at incidents like this. Lorry overturns, motorists get on top of the cab to get him out....and there he is, reportedly looking for his phone.

One suspects the police will be having a look at phone records too.....

There again, he might have been thinking about the importance of calling his boss to tell him that he'd had an accident and the truck was out of service.......... loads of reasons why the phone could have been very important to him just then...

[quote][p][bold]Aquarius[/bold] wrote:
Funny what is uppermost in people's minds at incidents like this. Lorry overturns, motorists get on top of the cab to get him out....and there he is, reportedly looking for his phone.
One suspects the police will be having a look at phone records too.....[/p][/quote]There again, he might have been thinking about the importance of calling his boss to tell him that he'd had an accident and the truck was out of service.......... loads of reasons why the phone could have been very important to him just then...Radio Wales

All agencies know this road is one of the worst designed rioads in the country and that's a fact .That's .why it was bombed out as the alternative to M4 relief it would cost more than the motorway to put right and safe the terrain makes it so prohibitive to upgrade two golf courses and half a housing estate would have to be compulsory purchased ......not going to happen !

All agencies know this road is one of the worst designed rioads in the country and that's a fact .That's .why it was bombed out as the alternative to M4 relief it would cost more than the motorway to put right and safe the terrain makes it so prohibitive to upgrade two golf courses and half a housing estate would have to be compulsory purchased ......not going to happen !portman

taffymark wrote:
There are some pathetic comments about speed, phones, drinking, reading maps, etc. You idiots need to wait before judging. It's a good job we don't have plebs like you lot on juries every day otherwise all the innocents would be locked up pronto! That road is a total disaster and I can say that as an experienced HGV and car driver and motorcycle rider. It's design is a disaster and can catch out the most experienced in a heartbeat, plus you got the clowns in cars cutting up larger vehicles because they can. So if this driver who has overturned was on his phone or was doing all the things he is already accused of or speeding he will be found out. Until then stop pre judging and wait for the facts!

"Plebs like you on juries" just who do you think make up juries? Everyday, run of the norm people, who are likely to comment on a news article at some point. And let's face it, the comments are usually 100xs more interesting, intelligent and accurate!

[quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote:
There are some pathetic comments about speed, phones, drinking, reading maps, etc. You idiots need to wait before judging. It's a good job we don't have plebs like you lot on juries every day otherwise all the innocents would be locked up pronto! That road is a total disaster and I can say that as an experienced HGV and car driver and motorcycle rider. It's design is a disaster and can catch out the most experienced in a heartbeat, plus you got the clowns in cars cutting up larger vehicles because they can. So if this driver who has overturned was on his phone or was doing all the things he is already accused of or speeding he will be found out. Until then stop pre judging and wait for the facts![/p][/quote]"Plebs like you on juries" just who do you think make up juries? Everyday, run of the norm people, who are likely to comment on a news article at some point. And let's face it, the comments are usually 100xs more interesting, intelligent and accurate!CeeJayAch86

keithbob wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.

I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.

If 'Driver error' keeps cropping up time and time again in the same places then one needs to look beyond the obvious and try to discern the cause of the repeated 'errors'.
Chances are, you will find serious design error rears its head.
Most LGV traffic is not local to Newport and it can come as a bit of a shock to many people to come across such a horrendous obstacle as this roundabout on an 'A' road that serves as a ring road around a city and a frequent major diversion for when the motorway happens to be blocked for other 'driver errors' also frequently caused by outdated design.
People who think the M4 relief road is a bad idea should be condemned to drive around Newport in circles until they admit the error of their thinking.

Im sorry.. but there are plenty of ringroads with roundabouts around Bristol, that LGV/HGV etc face daily and do not Tip over... what they have that the SDR does not have is Cameras......
All over the country there are roundabouts, ringroads,tight roads and country lanes that HGV have to drive through, using the excuse that "well they are not from Newport" just spells bad driver....... any driver should be capable of driving to the conditions. Would they rather we made 20+ foot wide lanes per side?
Birmingham for instance has many Major routes that are tight/narrow.
The heads of the valleys road is full of small tight roundabouts.

Im not saying widening them will not help, as clearly it would. But what worries me with widening them, is the drivers who will then NOT reduce speed as they think they are wider to take at speed.

No matter how you address it, It will always come back to Driver error and speed.

[quote][p][bold]Radio Wales[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]keithbob[/bold] wrote:
more proof this relief road was badly designed.the cambers on the roundabouts are totally unsuitable for h.g.vs.lanes too narrow too.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it is not well designed with lanes much to narrow. There is only one reason for this accident though. Our old friend SPEED. Lorry taking the driving line over the white chevrons at to great a speed. That is the biggest problem with this road. Driver error.[/p][/quote]If 'Driver error' keeps cropping up time and time again in the same places then one needs to look beyond the obvious and try to discern the cause of the repeated 'errors'.
Chances are, you will find serious design error rears its head.
Most LGV traffic is not local to Newport and it can come as a bit of a shock to many people to come across such a horrendous obstacle as this roundabout on an 'A' road that serves as a ring road around a city and a frequent major diversion for when the motorway happens to be blocked for other 'driver errors' also frequently caused by outdated design.
People who think the M4 relief road is a bad idea should be condemned to drive around Newport in circles until they admit the error of their thinking.[/p][/quote]Im sorry.. but there are plenty of ringroads with roundabouts around Bristol, that LGV/HGV etc face daily and do not Tip over... what they have that the SDR does not have is Cameras......
All over the country there are roundabouts, ringroads,tight roads and country lanes that HGV have to drive through, using the excuse that "well they are not from Newport" just spells bad driver....... any driver should be capable of driving to the conditions. Would they rather we made 20+ foot wide lanes per side?
Birmingham for instance has many Major routes that are tight/narrow.
The heads of the valleys road is full of small tight roundabouts.
Im not saying widening them will not help, as clearly it would. But what worries me with widening them, is the drivers who will then NOT reduce speed as they think they are wider to take at speed.
No matter how you address it, It will always come back to Driver error and speed.Lliswerry Man

chrisbart wrote:
The report implies driver error, bur that's the 3rd lorry to do this in the same place in as many years - that can't be coincidence! The map shows the wrong location - ironically Nash Rd roundabout shown on the map is far worst, with misleading lane markings on the approach, then 3 marked lanes which a HGV cannot possibly negotiate without doing into a second lane. I've been cut up by more cars than lorries though - more so when on my motorbike. Hopefully the lane markings will be improved with the SDR being resurfaced....?

they have only put 2 lanes on the nash college roundabout now

[quote][p][bold]chrisbart[/bold] wrote:
The report implies driver error, bur that's the 3rd lorry to do this in the same place in as many years - that can't be coincidence! The map shows the wrong location - ironically Nash Rd roundabout shown on the map is far worst, with misleading lane markings on the approach, then 3 marked lanes which a HGV cannot possibly negotiate without doing into a second lane. I've been cut up by more cars than lorries though - more so when on my motorbike. Hopefully the lane markings will be improved with the SDR being resurfaced....?[/p][/quote]they have only put 2 lanes on the nash college roundabout nowslimboy88