Ok a lot of questions. Since when is Tien an alien? Thought he got the eye from being enlightened. We don't know what if any training the group got from King Kai. Wasn't them fighting the Ginyu's anime filler? When did Roshi ever get immortality? The androids were never wished into being full humans. Shenron couldn't. He could only remove the bombs in their chest.

Kubo's announcement will be his new work will be called Tide; not as strong as bleach but does its trolling in a more colorful fashion! - arcane_chaos

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So, either Zennosuke's Zanpakuto hates him enough to let a Human pick it up, according to you, or Keigo is a secret Messiah who is loved by all Zanpakuto and can use all Zanpakuto. - saiyan

Great Chad will come from the sky. Diablo everything and make everybody feel high.

Prophetic Messages:
Kubo presents to us the 'Allegory of the Cave' through the magnificence of Aizen
Rejoice Godpachi brethren! The Apostle harkens the return of our god! And on the 3rd day he rose from the cavern, from the dead! Godpachi will come and solo their sins!
Righteousness has returned!
The benevolent Juhabach requests of those in the underrealm to lend their powers to the warriors in the overrealm for the sake of victory. Once victory is secured, the righteous Juhabach will restore the underrealm warriors with the power of their fallen enemies. Justice will prevail against the Usurpers!
It's not Bach, it's Floyd, the younger (but more talented) brother of Loyd and Royd. The true Y *Yolo* He lives life to the fullest... well not his own life but the ones he copies. -Scorpion2k4u

No I am pretty sure the dragon could not make them human and just removed the bombs.

Also a lot of times power levels came up skill of the fighters were also a factor. Goku while obviously stronger displayed more skill then his opponents when fighting the ginyu force.

That despite the massive power difference the heroes did survive freeza even when he was holding back. Cell in dealing with vegeta or his solution when faced with an opponent that was literally beating the tar out if him.

Hired goon even if aliens are the same. Unless they are extensively trained to fight chances are decent that a superior fighter should have an advantage despite a difference in power. I am all but certain those guys were probably weaker then raditz unless it was stated otherwise. Tien decided to go help fight against super buu so he obviously must have trained because there is nothing else he is shown doing. Pretty sure the last time zenkai came up was against frezzia where Gohan and vegeta made use of it. That and cell when he came back, but otherwise it stopped being enough to substitute actual training considering Gohan probably had one and was still weaker then super gotenks buu.

Actually none of the human fighters seemed weaker considering Yamcha was decent in other world and Krillen was shown fighting. So they obviously stay in shape they just are not getting stronger at a certain point because the human body has limit.

Tien being an alien was revealed by Toriyama in the Dragon Ball Daizenshuu, not the series itself. So it's understandable that some people still aren't aware of that. It's actually compounded by the fact that he's also stated at a different point that Tien had the third eye due to it's historical meaning in Asia: look at question 11

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which is where the idea then comes in that it's something he gained through meditation and such. With Tien then being somewhat more impressive than Krillin the whole alien thing then typically seems like a middlepoint. Krillin can be the strongest human without argument because Tien is just an alien and therefore not human.

I can't force you to believe me that's your choice. People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" and "true?" Merely vague concepts...their reality may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?-Itachi Uchiha

Prophetic Messages:
Kubo presents to us the 'Allegory of the Cave' through the magnificence of Aizen
Rejoice Godpachi brethren! The Apostle harkens the return of our god! And on the 3rd day he rose from the cavern, from the dead! Godpachi will come and solo their sins!
Righteousness has returned!
The benevolent Juhabach requests of those in the underrealm to lend their powers to the warriors in the overrealm for the sake of victory. Once victory is secured, the righteous Juhabach will restore the underrealm warriors with the power of their fallen enemies. Justice will prevail against the Usurpers!
It's not Bach, it's Floyd, the younger (but more talented) brother of Loyd and Royd. The true Y *Yolo* He lives life to the fullest... well not his own life but the ones he copies. -Scorpion2k4u

Well any series thread that goes on long enough tends to get a new thread eventually. 100 pages is as good a place as any to start a new one if we're going to.

In terms of the Android 17 and 18 issue from the previous thread, they're not fully cybernetic androids, having been human before being captured by Dr. Gero. Hence 18 being capable of having children when all that Shenron did was remove her bomb.

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Therefore I don't see why they wouldn't be capable of getting stronger through training and learning new techniques.

EDIT: Also because I just re-read the chapter:

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I really think this, Cell being defeated and the Z Fighters saying goodbye to their Future ally, and Trunks then returning to the future and saving his timeline, is one of the best endings to an arc/saga in the entire series.

Edited by Ace1225, 05 January 2016 - 06:08 PM.

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I can't force you to believe me that's your choice. People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" and "true?" Merely vague concepts...their reality may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?-Itachi Uchiha

Ugh I'm back on my computer that doesn't let me quote which is a huge pain but to address a few things using @Chillman 's post as a jumping off point.

Ace is right about Teinshinhan. However a few caveats-

-Daizenshuu 7 says Tein is descended from aliens that ended up on earth a long time ago. How long they've been on earth and how much they have/haven't interbred with humans is left up in the air.

-The line about Tein's lineage is one of the very few pieces of new information in the Daizenshuus that's isn't directly from Toriyama or an editor or similar(through an interview or the like). As such people have questioned the validity of that factoid as long as Daizenshuu 7 has been around. Personally I always believe the guidebooks in the absence of direct contradiction of other materials (which the are a few cases of) and I've often found people only seem to discount that particular fact for self-serving reasons, but it's something to keep in mind.

-It's also entirely possible that Tein is both an alien and got the third eye through meditation. After all, Supersaijin is a genetic trait for Saijins but they need to do something to actually unlock it.

-This is more of an interesting aside than anything, but it's very rare for any official materials in Japan to refer to any character as "human". I think there's a few occasions were the term is used, especially in reference to the androids, but they almost always use the term earthlings instead, which also includes people like Tien, Oolong, Puar, Popo, Pilaf ect..

Yes the Ginyu fight on Kai's planet is filler and what they did or didn't accomplish on King Kai's planet is left undisclosed.

Roshi is mortal but him and his sister live freakn' forever, Baba is somewhere around 600 iirc., Roshi is about 350. No official explanation why, probably something to do with the fact that Roshi is a Sen'nin (a type of sage often said to have transcended age through enlightenment and whatnot) and Baba is magic n' stuff. There's a throwaway line about Roshi drinking from the fountain of youth but that's dub only. He says during the Piccolo arc that he drink an elixir of immortality, then right afterwards admits that that was a lie, and then he dies.

Only thing I can contribute about the androids at this point is that in the Dragonball Full Color: Artificial Humans and Cell arc Volume #6 interview, Toriyama explicitly states that Android 17 and 18 can become stronger by training, since they're modified humans.

We know Roshi could summon the immortal phoenix and was going to use it to grant Goku and Bulma immortality. It's never said if the phoenix ever granted Roshi anything or if it's related to Roshi's longevity, but it's a reasonable guess to make.

Granted, it's had more than its fair share of bad animation and that's unfortunate. But it's only getting as much coverage as it is because 1)It's freaking Dragon Ball, easily one of the most well known series of all time and 2) Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and hell even GT (Which for all its flaws had excellent animation), are all part of the same series as this one and were consistently good for years when it came to animation. However, there are plenty of series which are solid yet have their share of moments where the animation is of a noticeably lower quality. This is even more common if the series is one where episodes are released on a weekly basis. People act as if the previous series didn't have its moments:

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Edited by Ace1225, 06 January 2016 - 06:20 PM.

I can't force you to believe me that's your choice. People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" and "true?" Merely vague concepts...their reality may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?-Itachi Uchiha

I can't force you to believe me that's your choice. People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" and "true?" Merely vague concepts...their reality may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?-Itachi Uchiha