In the fourth leg of The Amazing Race 12 (Sundays, 8 pm/ET, CBS), the powers-that-be replaced the dreaded Yield with a new surprise — the U-Turn, a tool that allows one team to send a trailing team back to do the other half of the detour they intentionally chose not to do. It's evil. And when the Blondes used it, actors Lorena Segura and Jason Widener became its first victims even though they technically did nothing wrong. Talk about bad luck. TVGuide.com: What did you think when you saw last night's episode and realized that the Blondes had a case of mistaken identity when they activated your U-Turn?Jason: It was just bad luck. [Laughs] They saw T.K. and Rachel but they thought it was Lorena and I. If they'd have known that was T.K. and Rachel…Lorena: … they wouldn't have used it.

TVGuide.com: Still, you took it well. You even seemed hopeful for a while. At what point did you realize you wouldn't be able to make up the lost time?Jason: When we were in that car ride back and we hadn't seen any other teams. We figured no one really made any mistakes on this leg.

TVGuide.com: How far behind first-place finishers Azaria and Hendekea were you?Jason: Only an hour and a half. That means we did both detours [and the roadblock] and we still shaved off 30 minutes. We killed it! I mean, we had one of the best legs ever, and it was just sad to see us go like that.

TVGuide.com: At least you got to race for a week and a half. How long were you actually in Burkina Faso?Lorena: Three days.Jason: Yeah. We flew in, spent the night literally on concrete with the mosquito nets, slept maybe four hours, took the train ride, had the whole camel extravaganza, and then that night we slept out in these little cots.

TVGuide.com: What would be your advice for future racers?Jason: Do some yoga. Be in top health. Just go in there healthy so you can retain information, because you know you'll lose the sleep.Lorena: And figure out how you're going to run it without stressing out. Really practice getting yourself into situations that you haven't been in before and getting through it as calmly as possible.

TVGuide.com: Speaking of calm, some people — meaning, my boyfriend — nicknamed you Mrs. Meltdown because your camel incident got so much play. Do you think you deserved that nickname and that portrayal?Lorena: No, I wasn't that outrageous all the time. I mean, obviously it is a show and they use the best moments. That was hard to watch and hard to deal with.Jason: Let me give you a breakdown real quick. Lorena and I are both actors. Lorena did a guest star on Moonlight and on CSI: Miami, I played the young Jed Bartlet on The West Wing. So the thing is, we're emotional people. We live life and death when we're doing scenes. So I think when she was out there with those camels and it wasn't working out, something clicked in her brain and she was so pissed off that she let it out through that kind of emotion.

TVGuide.com: Last week one of the sisters, Julia, said that she'd also been freaking out during that challenge, but they didn't really show her as much as they did you.Lorena: Yeah. We were both feeling that same pressure and really nervous about the monsoon that came through and there were a lot of elements around it.Jason: Yeah, they didn't show it, but that monsoon was intense. They wouldn't let me give her a jacket.

TVGuide.com: How did you stay warm during the storm? Did you hunker down with your cameraman?Lorena: No, I was just out there. [The camels] started running away and I was like, "Oh my gosh, what do I do now?"Jason: They didn't show this in the race, but she actually killed three camels.

TVGuide.com: Speaking of animals, you had to carry that darn chicken around for the entire fourth leg of the race. Did you name it?Jason: I didn't name the chicken but Phil said, "Your chicken looks the best."

TVGuide.com: And then there was the goat you had to cart, along with a bunch of other stuff during the roadblock.Lorena: That broke my heart.Jason: My goat… he was all tied up and when I dropped him off, I was like, "What are you guys gonna do with them?" They kind of smiled at me like, "What are you, an idiot? We're gonna eat them." Bye, goat.

TVGuide.com: Now, random question: What will people be surprised to know that you carried in your pack?Lorena: Two [pairs of] underwear. They were a reversible, quick-dry, quick-cleaning underwear.

TVGuide.com: During your week and a half in the race, how many showers did you take?Jason: A couple.Lorena: No, three. Remember that one in Africa with all the bugs on the floor? We took a shower together.

TVGuide.com: Wait. Tell me more about that.Lorena: That was the pit stop after the third leg in Bingo. And we stayed in these cots in a retreat.Jason: Everything was kind of open. And some of the other racers had already taken a shower and there were bugs everywhere. It didn't bother me much; I'm from Arkansas. But then when we were walking out and we were getting bit and [eating] food that you know you're going to get sick from. Which I think everybody did.

TVGuide.com: Why together — so one could bathe while the other swatted?Jason: Yeah, sure. [Laughs] Sometimes you need a good woman by your side.Lorena: Umm, I think that was just more of a comfort shower. Not sexual.Jason: It was actually funny. When we were No. 1, everybody looked at us and like, "Yeah, I want to be them." And then when we were in last place like we were when we took that shower, everybody was looking at us a little weird, like we just broke our leg or something. I think that was when the race really began

Do we think they were really only an hour and a half behind A/H--or behind TK/Rachel?

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I think Jason was understating the time differences but A/H did lose time throughout the leg.

A/H left the pitstop about 15 minutes before the next two teams but reached the 1st clue box in 3rd place. That was probably due to a slower ride and H's "pit stop". So there's 15 minutes that L&J could have picked up.

A/H had to wait to dance. But they did finish before N/J who had a 10 minute penalty. So there's another 5 to 15 minutes that L&J could have picked up.

Even though A/H got to the roadblock first, A had some difficulties. So Jason could have picked up some unknown amount of time.

However, even though A/H had difficulties and lost time throughout the leg, since Lorena and Jason still left 2:09 behind and had to complete an additonal detour, I don't think they narrowed the gap to 1:30. Maybe close but not quite.

P.S. I thought I read somewhere where it took L&J 30 or 45 minutes to pan for gold. If that's true, then there's no way they narrowed the gap to 1:30.

Jason: Yeah, so we would have been like 15 minutes behind them. The thing is, you still never know

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But what's funny is, when we finished the whole leg, we were only an hour behind [Shana and Jennifer] and TK and Rachel.

Reality TV World: In reaching the fourth leg's Pit Stop?

Jason: Yeah... AND we did both Detours. We blew through that leg, which sucks because we were just getting our rhythm and I think we would have been a force. We just had a lot of things that stacked up on us and just really took us down.

Reality TV World: About how long did it take you to complete both of the Detour challenges?

Jason: You know, the hard part... It was all in one area, those Detours. If you wanted to do the ["Shake Your Booty" challenge] or the ["Shake Your Pan" challenge], but it was a long like half-mile or mile in-between each one. Plus the U-Turn was at another place, like a triangle. So there's a big triangle. So we had to go from [the "Shake Your Booty" challenge] to the U-Turn, from the U-Turn to [the "Shake Your Pan" challenge] and then back to the U-Turn to get our clue. We did double or triple the amount of running than everybody else -- they didn't show that -- and we still did it faster than everybody. I don't know how we did it so fast. We did really good, and it just sucks. Another contributing factor is nobody really made any really big mistakes. Every other leg, there's at least a couple of people that something goes bad...

If all that is true it would mean only 30 minutes between A/H and TK/Rachel which seems awfully close to me...

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I agree. In the past, racers have been shown at times not to be good sources of information. I just wanted to hypothesize some and it was fun, especially since I don't visit the detective threads any more.

On Sunday's edition of "The Amazing Race," a bathroom break nearly cost the Ethopian siblings precious time. The teams had to for no apparent reason keep a chicken with them because "no chicken, no check-in." The Blondes named their chicken Phil, and in a move that will endear the editors to me forever, they showed a clip of Phil looking not unlike the chicken in question. The teams had to do a Detour where they did a native dance or panned for gold. The Blondes looked like they were using moves they'd picked up from "Showgirls," while Kynt actually seemed cool. The Race has apparently supplemented/replaced the Yields (where a team would have to sit around for 30 minutes and steam over the fact they'd been Yielded) with U-turns (where after performing one half of the Detour a team has to go back and perform the other half.) The Blondes use it on Lorena and Jason, who started off a million miles back of the pack anyhow. The Roadblock was about loading up a bike with a bunch of stuff, including a bound goat, and navigating a marketplace. Vyxsyn was saddened by all the poverty she saw in Africa. The Ethopians just barely get to the mat first, and Jennifer (Nathan's partner, rather than one of the Blondes) is angry because the Ethopians have already been in first a bunch and they won't play nice. I'm not making that up. We get about a gajillion shots of Jason trying to sound optimistic that they can catch up to the rest of the pack. But it's pretty certain that the help they got from Julia to not come in last the previous week only delayed the inevitable.

Here's what they had to say for themselves:

R: Guys, how are you doing?

L: Good. How are you?

R: Good. Sorry you guys got eliminated last night, but it seemed like it was pretty much inevitable from the start. How did you feel about that?

L: Yeah, we felt the same way.

J: Yeah, we were pretty bummed that we weren’t moving on to another country because we would have been at the airport and we would have equalized this. And of course the U-turn didn’t help. And it didn’t help that nobody really messed up anything. So it just didn't fall right for us.

R: So how far back did you guys start?

L: About an hour and a half behind the last team, which were the Blondes.

R: So do you think if you hadn’t been U-turned you possibly could have caught up to them?

J: I think we would have been close.

L: No, I don’t think we would have. We would have still been about a half an hour behind.

J: But the thing is, you just never know, like the course of action that takes place. Since they did U-turn us, they may probably felt a little better about it and so they were more relaxed in getting to the events. If they didn’t U-turn us, if they would have seen us, it puts more pressure on them. You just never know what’s going to happen. I think we could have—it definitely would have been close.

L: Yeah.

R: So it seems to me that they U-turned you thinking they were u turning the other team that was right behind them. Is that what your impression was, or did they mean to U-turn you?

J: They meant to U-turn us…..

L: They meant to U-turn us, not TK and Rachel. I don't think they would have U-turned TK and Rachel had they known they were the ones coming up behind them.

J: They must have just thought that was us. They were scared that we were catching up with them.

R: So how did you feel about being U-turned? I mean, you seemed to take it pretty much in stride once you got there.

J: (laughs) There’s nothing else we could do. We were just like, "Alright, here we go."

L: Yeah, it was more like we’re behind, we don’t know if we can catch up. We can only be positive, so.

J: We saw it as, we were the first team ever on "The Amazing Race" to be U-turned, so we will go down in the history books.

R: Why did you guys try out for "The Amazing Race" in the first place?

J: I guess adventure, man. Adventure, maybe some money, and fun. That was it.

R: So how did it compare with your expectations of what would happen?

L: I didn’t know you’re constantly racing. I thought that when you rest, you got a rest, you rested. But it just so happens that you’re racing the whole entire time. So I didn’t know—the adrenaline rush I’d never felt before, just a lot of emotions I’d never felt before. It was completely different than what I’d thought. I thought it wouldn’t be THAT intense.

J: I agree.

R: So Lorena, obviously you have had your moment that was really challenging from last week when you were trying to milk the camel. How do you feel in retrospect, that sort of being out there where you had that sort of breakdown. What was it like to go through it?

L: To be honest with you, I don’t remember going through it. I was so in another space. I was so scared and nervous to let Jason down, to lose this leg. I just put so much pressure on myself that I don’t remember going through it. But watching back, I can see—I don’t know, it’s just hard. It's hard to talk about it. I don’t know if I can ever feel like this again unless I was put in that same situation. And I’ve never acted like that before either—I don’t know how to explain it. I feel bad that I’m being judged for it—not judged, that people are talking about it in a negative way and stuff like that and putting it down when really I see it like it a human being. Because I wasn’t overreacting at all. A human being that’s going through something really hard. And that’s it.

R: How have people you’ve known reacted to that moment specifically and your being on the race in general? ...

L: Well, the people I know—they love me, and they actually felt bad for me for what had happened, very supportive and a lot of love from the people that matter. They’re really, really proud that we went through it and that we’re still together. And they know that it’s hard. And it was fun for them to not know what was going to happen. And it was sad for them—they went through all the emotions that we went through. That’s pretty cool.

R: It seemed like Marianna and Julia let you in on a secret that allowed you to pass them. Did that make you feel guilty doing that, and did it make you feel lucky that she gave you that hint?

J: At that point we were so far behind, both of us, that I think we would have done the same thing, ‘cause it was definitely a "Let’s just get the hell out of here and get to the next spot." I don’t think they were really thinking that we would catch up. But we did, and that’s the race.

L: It's also we were very far away with our camels. And we were helping each other back and forth. I helped her, and she helped me. And at that moment, we became like teammates. We were so desperate. And even Julia was having a hard time, and she was freaking out. Not to my extent, but she was freaking out too at that point. That we became just like a team and helped us cope with how we were feeling. That last hint came with a bunch of other hints that we both gave each other. So I don’t think they felt bad for doing it, and we felt guilty for doing that. I just felt glad to be out of that situation. I didn’t have room for any other feelings.

R: How does camel milk taste anyway?

L: I could say it was good because in my mind it was great. It tasted sweet, and it wasn’t as thick as cow milk. Thinner. Actually, not bad. I didn’t think it was bad, and I don’t like cow milk.

R: What was your favorite part of being on the Race?

L: There are so many. For me, it was my birthday, the first pit stop of the race. And we got to sleep in tents on this beautiful island of Inishmore in Ireland. I got to celebrate it with Jason and with a beautiful view and with our first meal in a long time. It was great. That was my best moment.

R: Which, if any, of the teams are you rooting for to win the Race?

L: All of them.

J: We know the outcome, so it's so biased. I just feel that everybody's strong and everybody's going to be surprised as to what happens because we were all surprised when we found out as each person was eliminated. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a fun Race.

R: So what would you advise people who want to try out for the Race to do as preparation?

L: Practice. It's not so much physical as your mental state. Put yourself in situations where you haven't been before and try to tackle them as calmly as possible. Situations that you don't know what's going to to happen. Like go bungee jumping. Go outside of yourself. I think that's the best preparation because then you know you can do anything.

J: It's about keeping your head while other people around you are losing theirs. I think in life, whatever you've got to do to keep your head is definitely a strategy.

R: Remind me how you guys met and then tell me about how being on the Race has affected your relationship, if it has.

L: I first saw him at a bar that I was working at. I guess that's the first time we met met. But we really got to know each other in an acting class. We became really, really, really good friends and I think the friendship really took us to the next level. We got along really well. It was three months into our friendship that we started dating, and we've been together three and a half years now. We go through our ups and downs and we're just trying to figure out ourselves individually and together. We love each other and we really want to make it work. It's like any other relationship. I think the Race forced us to feel things that we hadn't felt before.

R: Like what?

L: Like the elimination, being a team, working together, me going through my own personal emotional roller coaster and him seeing that and dealing with it and then dealing with the fact of why we got eliminated.

R: Does it bother you or affect you that Jason basically said marriage isn't for him on national TV?

L: No, because we talked about it and I know what he meant by it. When you don't know someone and hear that, it sounds worse than it is. I know what he was trying to say. We live together and we have a very good relationship. ... And he feels that marriage would just be a sealing point that he doesn't need for us to be good together.

J: We live life differently anyway. We don't have normal 9-5 jobs. We're both actors. I'm working on a documentary right now. I'm not a sheep. I'm different. I have an edge to myself that things aren't so secure all the time, and I like that edge. I want to keep it, I think. I think marriage as an institution on the whole, it is what it is. If you want a big ol' family and you want to do it that way, marriage is probably a good thing. But as of right now, I don't want a family right now. I think that's the main reason to get married.

R: OK, anything else you want to add about your time on "The Amazing Race"?

J: I had diarrhea ... after the fourth leg. So thank God we were eliminated. (laughs).

NEW YORK (AP) — Blame the first-ever "U-Turn." Bickering couple Lorena Segura and Jason Widener were eliminated from CBS' "The Amazing Race" after a new twist imposed by another team forced the contestants to backtrack during a West African leg of the competitive reality series."We were already an hour and a half behind," Widener told The Associated Press in a phone interview Monday. "It was definitely kicking us while we were down."

Similar to the "Yield" introduced in the fifth season, the "U-Turn" obstacle allows racers to choose a trailing team to go back and finish a previously uncompleted "Detour" challenge. In Segura and Widener's case, that meant they had to search for gold after already learning an African dance routine while racing through Burkina Faso.

"All the producers said we did that leg faster than anybody," says Widener.

The "dating couple" team doesn't hold any animosity against "friends" team Jennifer McCall and Shana Wall, the blondes from Los Angeles who targeted them with the "U-Turn."

"We know it's a game," adds Segura. "We would've done the same thing if we were in their situation."

Segura and Widener say teams were told about the new "U-Turn" twist before the race began but weren't told when or where it would appear along the race.

During the previous leg of "The Amazing Race," Segura broke down and began crying while attempting to milk a camel during for a "Roadblock" challenge. Widener says he was surprised at how emotional Segura became during the fiasco.

The couple, both actors from Sherman Oaks, Calif., are still dating but not engaged

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Amazing Race Interview: Lorena & JasonWe talk camel milking, U-Turns and more with the couple.by Eric Goldman November 29, 2007 - While Lorena & Jason were out of The Amazing Race at the end of the fourth leg, it was not before making sure they will be remembered on the race for a long time to come. Unfortunately for them, this was because of a roadblock during the third leg involving milking a camel that Lorena had some major problems at, leading to a very emotional and notable reaction.

On the fourth leg, the couple from Sherman Oaks, CA tried to make up the time they'd lost in leg 3, but it was not to be, as Shana & Jennifer used the new "U-Turn" on them, forcing them to go back and complete the second detour option they'd skipped. I spoke to Lorena & Jason to find out what they thought about milking camels, being U-Turned, and other experiences on The Amazing Race.

Lorena: Well Jason's family have always been fans. We never really watched it as an ongoing thing but when the opportunity presented itself to be able to apply for it I think we were at that point in our lives where we were like "We need to do something different. We want to travel. This would be the best way to travel and see a lot of places!" Then we sent in the tape and the tape was horrible in the beginning. It was hard to make. We were fighting the whole time to figure out how to make the tape. And then here we are! It was all really quick, too.

IGN TV: Were you familiar enough to have a pretty good idea of what was in store for you or was it a shock to your system?

Lorena: Well when we applied we immediately started watching the All-Stars and immediately bought Season 7 and the first one and started watching. By the time we got on the show we felt like we were already fans. It wasn't that much of a shock, no. It is a shock, because it's nothing like what you see on TV. It's 100 times harder.

- CBSLorena & JasonIGN TV: Did you try to plan beforehand about how you'd deal with stressful situations and hopefully not fight too much?

Lorena: We had a motto that I didn't follow too well. [Laughs] It was "Stay calm. Don't be last. And have fun."

IGN TV: Really, it was only on the first leg that we saw you guys have any notable argument. Did you talk about that afterwards at the pit stop?

Lorena: Oh yeah. We immediately talked about it, actually. We talked about it even before we hit the mat in the car. We were like "If we're gonna get through this, we really have to communicate better. We have to let our past go and start really becoming a team." I think after that it really helped us, because on the second leg we did wonderfully.

IGN TV: What was it that caused the fighting on the first leg?

Lorena: I think we didn't communicate at all about directions. Jason was 100% sure of one thing and I was 100% sure of another and in that situation, we had decided that we would go with what Jason had decided, so we wouldn't have to fight over who's right or who's wrong.

Jason: Because I'm the man! [Laughs]

Lorena: Yeah, because he was the man. [Laughs] But [in that situation] I couldn't let it go. I just felt really 100% sure that we were going the wrong way.

Jason: But we really weren't.Lorena: But we really weren't. It was just a situation that we had talked about before and how we would act in it, but it just rose up way too quickly and I just didn't know how to handle it.

Jason: Lorena's emotions spin out of control pretty easily.

IGN TV: Marianna & Julia told me they felt close with your team. What teams did you feel you connected with?

Jason: Them [Marianna & Julia], Nate & Jen…Lorena: We connected with [Marianna & Julia] in the third leg the most. That was when we danced, when we did the camel things… At least I became really close to them because they're also Cuban and I'm Puerto Rican, so we had that connection.

Jason: I also definitely connected with Nate and T.K., because we were all athletes. Nate's a volleyball player, T.K.'s a swimmer and I'm a rock climber, so we all connected because we liked sports.

Lorena: We also connected with Kynt & Vyxsin really well. We worked well together.

IGN TV: When you first saw Kynt & Vyxsin, what was your reaction?

Jason: "How are they gonna put on all their makeup all the time?"

Lorena: You can't stop looking at them. It was that sort of thing. But once you meet them, they are the most wholesome, great, honest people.

Jason: Yeah, they're a lot of fun.

Lorena: I really like them.

IGN TV: What did you think of Ron and Christina?

Jason: I definitely don't like how Ron tries to micromanage his daughter. Trying to tell her what to do, instead of let her try to figure things out, you know what I mean? That's probably one of their major issues in life is him trying to control the situation when it's out of control. It's like me with the camels - it was out of my control. What am I gonna do, you know? I think she handled it completely well and it's not that I don't like Ron, it's just that I think he needs to open his mind us a little more and listen to his daughter more, you know? It's hard to watch in a way, but it's good TV.

- CBSIGN TV: You mentioned the infamous camel, so I'm gonna continue on that path. Marianna & Julia told me you all were there about four hours?

Jason: Yeah. Maybe three. Lorena: Yeah, yeah. We were there for a very long time. What you see on TV unfortunately is the last part of my breakdown. I wasn't like that at all at the beginning. At the beginning I was pretty calm and confident. And then something you didn't see is I drank the milk with somebody who I thought was a judge and who wasn't the judge. They told me I had to fill up another bowl.

IGN TV: Wow, so you'd already filled it up?

Lorena: Yeah, I'd already filled up the bowl and drank one bowl with the wrong judge. But the thing is, there's a lot of issues in that… That's why I don't bring it up. The thing is, I had to fill up another bowl, so that's why I was acting the way I was acting. Because I felt like I messed up, I was letting Jason down, "I can't believe this happened", "We would have been done already!", blah, blah, blah and all this guilt.

IGN TV: What was going through your head during all this Jason?

Jason: Oh man. I was just trying to let it all go, man. I was like "Alright, this is not what I was envisioning as far as staying up in the pack." But you know, it was definitely a good experience, because I went into this weird place of just letting it all go and just not thinking about the million dollars anymore. Just thinking about the experience and just having fun. Just "let her figure it out and we'll move on. Let's just get this thing milked. Once it's milked, we'll see how we can make up time on the next event." It was tough. It was tough watching her, because I couldn't help her.

IGN TV: The preview for that episode gave a pretty good indication of what would be shown. Where you getting ready for or dreading them showing that sequence?

Lorena: Oh, I was dreading it. Because I watched myself as an outsider too at that moment, because I don't remember feeling that way. I was feeling so out of myself, that I don't remember feeling that way. So now watching back, watching myself go through it, was just really hard. Because I watched it the same as you watched it, you know? I don't know… It's been hard to deal with the comments and everything, and the aftermath of what people think and say… But nobody really knows me and nobody knows that's just another side of me, a minimal side of me that I've never seen. I've had to let it go. It's so hard to talk about it! It is…

IGN TV: A stark contrast to seeing your reaction with the camels was after the U-Turn was used on you and you both seemed to deal very calmly with it. Do you think that was partially because of what happened in the leg before?

Jason: Yeah, I think so.

Lorena: Yeah.

Jason: I think we realized that when you're in Africa and you're running through and you're seeing how happy these people are, and they have nothing… And we're riding on a free trip around the world, and we're worried about a million dollars, when really in life, I mean… I think everybody knows and has heard a million times that really money isn't everything. It's about how you handle life and it's about your outlook on life. Because when you die, you're not going to take anything with you. I think you really have that feeling there, because they know, the Africans, that they're never really going to be rich. All they have is each other.

Lorena: They don't even contemplate it. It's not an issue for them. They are happy because they are happy. And seeing that they are happy because they are happy made me realize how unhappy we are because we think we don't have all that we need.

Jason: And we realized we had everything we needed in the race, so it was actually the perfect place to be eliminated.

Lorena: Oh yeah. It was.

Jason: It was the perfect place.

Lorena: It was. We were very grateful.

- CBSIGN TV: Were you surprised to have the U-Turn used on you?

Jason: Well, we didn't know there was gonna be a U-Turn, so when we got there we were just kind of like… Our reaction was "Wow… can anything else go wrong?"

Lorena: We didn't even understand. We were like "Why? We're so far behind!"

Jason: First of all, there was no airport, no equalizer on this leg in that way. Usually everyone always catches up. So we didn't have that. And then we got U-Turned! We were just like "Wow…"

Lorena: "This is just bad luck."

Jason: "This is just… We've just got to stay positive now. This is crazy."

IGN TV: Looking back, what do you think of Shana & Jennifer using it? Do you think "okay, it's part of the game" or that it just wasn't necessary at that time?

Lorena: Well, I still think it wasn't necessary, but I also think that it is a game and people play games in whatever way they play games. We can't hold that against them at all, because they also wanted to win. They were both torn. Jen didn't want to do it, and Shana wanted to do it… They were both torn about it as well, and they made a decision and that was it. You can't hold anything against anybody in life, let alone in a game.

Jason: Yeah, they were playing the game. I just wish they had known… They thought T.K. & Rachel was us, so they thought we were closer to them than we really were.

IGN TV: I was going to ask about that. That's what it seemed was happening.

Jason: Yeah, that was true. They thought they saw us. That's why they U-Turned us. They thought we were just getting out of the bus and it was actually T.K. & Rachel, running from the mine. And they were running to the U-Turn and they thought that was just us trying to figure out where to go, because I think T.K. & Rachel were running around crazy. So I just wish that they had known. That would have given us a chance. But instead, it just kicked us when we were down.

Lorena: It helped them, because we were out.

IGN TV: Did you talk to them later and find out for sure they thought T.K. & Rachel were you?

Jason: Yeah, we talked to them.

IGN TV: How much time did it take to have to go back and do the other task?

Lorena: We were super quick.

Jason: To tell you the truth, when that leg began we were an hour and a half behind the blondes. When the whole leg was over, we were an hour behind the blonds and T. K. & Rachel. So we did both things in the time most people did one [task]. We actually flew. That's what sucks. We were so strong and fast. Just… bad luck.

IGN TV: Overall, how was the whole experience doing the race?

Jason: Great. I'm glad we got as far as we did.

Lorena: Yeah, it was really good. And now, being able to talk about it, it's actually helping me. Like…

Jason: …Therapy!

Lorena: It's like it's free therapy too, included in the combo. That's great!

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"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

The fourth team to get eliminated from The Amazing Race 12 this week was Jason Widener and Lorena Segura. They are currently dating in Los Angeles, CA. I had the chance to talk to them both about many things including their thoughts on being given a "U-Turn" by the two blondes, Shana and Jennifer. Would they have done the same thing? Also, what did they learn about each other on the race and what does their future hold? Here is what they had to say...

Josh Clinton: Hey guys.

Jason Widener: Hello.

Lorena Segura: Hi Josh.

JC: What's going on?

JW: Just chillin'.

LS: Not much.

JC: Alright. I wanted to ask you first about how you met? Jason mentioned something like he saw Lorena on the dance floor and wanted to be with her. Can you explain more about how you two met?

JW: Basically, we first met at a bar. Then, we didn't see each other until a few months later in an acting class that we had together. Then, from there...

LS: We became really good friends.

JW: ...We became friends, and I knew I wanted to date her when I saw her dancing with one my friends actually. I was like "wow, she seems really cool".

JC: Yeah, that's cool. Were you both fans of The Amazing Race before you got on the show?

LS: We became fans of it when we actually decided to apply to be on the race. We were watching The Amazing Race: All-Stars and that got us pumped up. Then we went back and watched the first season and the seventh season. We loved the show because it was so real. What you see, is what it is. Well except for the editing, of course, but it's basically what it is. It just seemed so adventurous. Who wouldn't want to do this?

JC: Right, exactly. I read somewhere where you said you wanted to do this race to see if you were supposed to last as a couple. Can you explain more about that?

LS: Yeah. Jason and I have been together for a long time and we have lived hectic lives here in Los Angeles. We don't see each other a lot because of our work schedules. So we thought that being together confined, since we could only be like 20 feet apart from each other the entire time, knowing that we have to go through that, do challenges, and see the world. I knew that would make us have to relate more, and see if we could do that. I thought it was a great opportunity for us as a couple to experience something like that, since it was outside of our comfort zone.

JC: Right. Did either of you worry that fighting between you might cost you the race?

LS: Yeah, after the first leg we both decided that we should start communicating better. We did better as a couple afterwards. We didn't fight as much after that.

JW: Yeah.

LS: We definitely realized that after the first leg it wasn't going to help us to be against each other. So we really should come together and work as a team.

JC: Right. You were a strong team and on this show it seems like the strong teams are targeted earlier. Do you think it's more of an advantage or a disadvantage to be a strong team?

LS: Well the thing is you never know what's going to happen, so even if you are a strong team anything can go wrong. There are little things all over the race that are meant for anybody to win. Everybody has there own strengths, and all the challenges are made for everyone to be able to do them. Whether you are physically strong or mentally strong, you never know. I think a lot of people knew that. A lot people knew when we got eliminated at least, it was anybody's game.

JW: Yeah, I agree.

JC: Okay, cool. So after watching the episode that aired this week, what did you think of the way Shana and Jennifer were dancing?

JW: (Laughs). That was funny.

LS: (Laughs). That was hilarious. It was so them too. I thought that they were very true to themselves. That's how they would have done it in real life.

JW: It was very entertaining.

LS: Very entertaining. They are two sexy women.

JC: Yeah, they are. What were you thinking when you saw that they had given you the U-Turn, though?

JW: I mean obviously we didn't want to do another detour. But they thought we were TK and Rachel. They definitely kicked us while we were really down, but why not? They were playing a game. Of course, in the moment we were mad but we got over it.

JC: Yeah, they didn't give you the U-Turn intentionally since they thought you were TK and Rachel.

LS: Yeah. If I would have thought that was us, I would have done it too. Maybe if it was going to be down to a strong team and two girls, I would that thought we had to do it as well.

JC: So you would have done the same thing then?

LS: Well if we knew that it was Shana and Jennifer behind us, then probably not since we thought we could have outrun them. But being in their position, I would have done it if they thought it was us.

JW: Yeah.

JC: I understand. What did you think of the U-Turn twist in general? Did you think it was fair? Did you think it was too early in the game to have a twist like that?

JW: I thought it was a little early. I definitely thought it was bad placement, because there was nothing there to equalize everybody. It would have been better...

LS: If we were all together.

JW: It was a definite deal breaker for us. It would have made more sense if it would have been a non-elimination leg.

LS: Yeah, if we then had to face them later it would have been more dramatic.

JW: That would have been much better, but they just didn't decide to do that. It just didn't make as much sense that way.

JC: Yeah, it almost seemed that this was going to be a non-elimination leg based on how positive Jason was. Did either of you think it was going to be a non-elimination leg?

LS: Yeah, we both thought that.

JW: I was just saying that it wasn't the fault of either of us, so you might as well not be negative about it because that wouldn't have worked. I was starting to enjoy myself and we had already put that much into it. But that's the race. You win some, and you lose some.

JC: Exactly. What played a bigger factor in you finishing last in this leg? Was it the U-Turn or was it Lorena not being able to milk the camel as quickly in the last leg?

JW: I think you can put it all together. The camel, the U-Turn, there was no equalizer there, and no other team made any real big mistakes. We never had a chance.

JC: Yeah, out of everything, what would you say was the biggest mistake you made on the race?

LS: I think it was me not being able to get milk from my camel.

JW: Yeah, the camel.

LS: Definitely the camel.

JC: Alright, fair enough. Was there a favorite moment that you had while running the race that didn't air on TV?

JW: Probably when we were running through Africa. We actually landed in the wrong plane with Julia and Marianna. You could see security following us, because it probably wasn't the safest places we were going. So after we figured out we landed in the wrong place, we started running back and we knew that we were going to be ahead of them. That was a moment that they didn't show really.

JC: That's cool. Did either of you learn something about your partner on the race that you didn't know before the race?

LS: Yeah, I learned that Jason is very focusily competitive. And I mean it that in a good way. He knows how to concentrate on the task at hand and get it done with a clear head. So it was pretty amazing to see that, because we never had really played a real game together. It just made me trust him so much. I knew that if Jason was going to do the task, it was going to get done right.

JW: Thank you honey.

LS: You're welcome.

JC: And Jason, did you learn anything about Lorena on the race that you didn't know before?

JW: I definitely knew that she was emotional, but I was a little more surprised that she lost it the way she did. But really I understood the whole thing. She really just wanted to do good for me. But in a way, she needed to figure out that she needed to do good for herself instead of worrying about me. Even though we are a team, she was just really hard on herself. But I also learned that she lets go of things easily and there are times where she does think positive. I wished they would have shown more of that, because she was positive most of the time. There were just a couple of times where she let things get to her.

JC: Yeah. So what are you plans now? Is marriage in the far, far away future for you two?

JW: Man, I don't know where I will be tomorrow.

LS: (Laughs).

JW: But I'm working on a documentary right now. Lorena is working on her acting. We're both working on our acting, so we're just taking it day-by-day. We want to live life on the edge and not think about it too much.

LS: Yeah.

JC: Yeah, I understand. Very cool. Well that's all I have for you. Thanks for your time and good luck with everything.

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan