Indie Hackers is a website that profiles independent developers who have made profitable software projects, usually without raising any money. These projects make anywhere from a few hundred dollars a month to more than $100,000 as in the case with park.io, one of the services profiled by Indie Hackers.

Courtland Allen is the creator, engineer, and interviewer behind Indie Hackers. For each business that is profiled by Indie Hackers, Courtland conducts a short interview with the founder.

Courtland joins the show to discuss the changing trends that are making it easier to bootstrap a software business if you are a capable developer–or even if you are a nontechnical person who understands how software works. Since Courtland and I are both in the business of interviewing engineers, we had a lot to talk about, and this is a fantastic episode.