March 9th, 2000

Topics Covered

Pretitles
'Can we PLEASE have all this pretitle stuff configurable?' Sammael says
tolerantly. 'At least for some of them?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I'm happy they got them, but I really don't want to
see it every time they tell to me.'

Doctor Mertjai says, 'Hmm, I think they should be able to be turned off and on
like descs, not from the other end.'

Lazarus says, 'Maybe removing them from tells would give relief to the
suffering?'

'I'm finding it hard to tell what's actually annoying and what just seems weird
due to it being new,' LadyAce says.

'I think for example, them being in short/long descs is cool,' Sammael says
tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'I personally would rather wait and see what we can get used to and
what really isn't worth keeping.'

Sammael says patiently, 'But tells are supposed to be ooc for one thing.'

Arrak says, 'Verrry spammy on channels too.'

'Or a random chance of it showing up, like the 3 or so ways to talk with each
mood,' Visi says, sly as a fox.

'Maybe it could be configured so that it shows up in the first tell, but not
others?' Vannessa says in a friendly tone.

'No real way to track that,' LadyAce says to Vannessa.

'I have the feeling that would be even more annoying visi...' Sammael says
patiently.

'See, we say it's spammy, but really it's just a few extra letters, a word,
etc,' LadyAce says to Arrak. 'In a line. So it might just be perception.'

'Well, its obviously not a big issue, but it just really bothers me,' Sammael
says patiently.

'Hmm..' Vannessa says warmly. 'That's tough. I mean.. people worked hard for
them, and in real life, you know who you're talking to.. so I'd like to see
them continued.. but I understand the spamminess thing.'

Celia says, 'Maybe this is not the right place to ask, but is it possible to
clarify the rule about giving out RL info in posts?'

'I mean, is it a rule, or just a guideline?' Celia says.

'Well...I think you would hafta be more specific for me to give a good answer,'
LadyAce says.

'Your own choice?' Arrak says.

Lazarus says, 'More of an honor system I'd say.'

'I was surprised that somebody was allowed to comment that an imm applicant is
the spouse of a current immort,' Celia says.

'Like pman and Sandra?' Doctor Mertjai says.

Celia says, 'Because I have seen posts with info like that removed in the
past.'

'Or ea and LA?' Doctor Mertjai says.

'Everyone knows anyway :p,' Arrak says.

'Kaige and ptah!' Sammael says tolerantly.

Vannessa says warmly to Sandra, 'You're married to Pman?'

LadyAce says, 'I think imm applications are a very special case with respect to rl
relationships.'

LadyAce says, 'It's something that we're under a lot of scrutiny for, after all.'

'Aren't you applying in more of an ooc fashion to become an imm?' Doctor
Mertjai says.

Celia says, 'But the applicants aren't immorts yet, and they may not get
immorted.'

'Its like the process now has very serious implications for future playing as a
mort if you don't get in,' Celia says.

'It does,' Ea! says.

'For example, it bugs me when someone says that they'd abide by the imm code of
conduct and then a few weeks later they do something that would violate it,'
Ea! says. 'It makes me wonder how dedicated they would have been.'

'RL relationships is a little different, of course,' Ea! says.

'Morts do lots of things which aren't illegal, but which would violate the
immort code :P,' Celia says.

'When it comes to RL relationships between imms, or between imms and morts, I
would say that they're not secrets,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'What about between morts.'

'My RL relationship isn't a secret,' Doctor Mertjai says.

'People don't broadcast them, but trying to "hide" them in some way ends up
creating more "scandal"' LadyAce says.

LadyAce says, 'On the other hand, posting "So-and-so only got unsitebanned by
performing sexual favors for LadyAce" is a good way to annoy us :).'

'It is broadcasting them to mention it in a post though,' Celia says.

Sandra says, 'It's a good way for me to just sitban the poster ;).'

'I think that RL relationships are a legitimate concern for both imms and morts
when they discuss a candidate,' LadyAce says.

LadyAce says, 'And I think that with respect to this particular issue, the need for
open evaluation is more important than privacy.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Yea, we need to know who the imms are sleeping with.'

'Its like tabloids, we have to know!' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'Marriages are a little less lurid than that :).'

'And that's the type of tradeoff that imms end up facing on a daily basis. So
applicants might as well get used to it...' Ea! says.

'Well, it seems like you are saying that merely applying to immort means you
lose the normal rights of privacy, where in the past people didn't even know
who had applied,' Celia says.

Celia says to Ea!, 'Yes, but they might never be immorted.'

'Privacy is more limited,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I guess perhaps I'm saying this should be made clearer beforehand, so people
can consider it in deciding whether to apply,' Celia says.

'We did say that we were posting names, that leads to people discussing what
they know about you,' LadyAce says to Celia. 'We can make that a little more
explicit, tho.'

'There is a line, of course, and if it's crossed, the post will go and the
poster will be warned,' Ea! says to Celia.

'Yes, but you are saying the line is somehow differnt than for morts who are
not applicants,' Celia says.

LadyAce says to Celia, 'I think the imm-mort relationships is a specific exception,
because they're a part of one group applying to join the other.'

'Immortals, and immortals to be are more ooc than morts, yes,' Doctor
Mertjai says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The hardest part of being an imm is keeping your alts
secret.'

'But when they go out of their way to flaunt it as someone did last may its
gonna be used against them at the first possible sign of a blowup,' Quimby
says.

'Is their any chance now that we have 9 gig of memory that was can go through
with my idea on housing where you can keep the rent equivialant of gear in your
house as to the rent you pay per day on it?' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'That if you pay 3.5k rent a day on a house, you can
hold 3.5k rent worth of items in your house.'

'For free,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Visi says, sly as a fox, 'Makes sense.'

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'Hm, well, it's not really set up to work like that this
very minute :).'

Sammael says patiently, 'As it is, houses are worthless to those of us without
rp reasons.'

'I'd love to be able to keep stuff in a house,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'And
not pay out my ass for it.'

'Just you get the house's rent cost in free rent of stuff in it?' Visi says,
sly as a fox.

LadyAce says, 'I think we could stand to revisit issues with rent and
housing cost, now that spam gear is gone.'

'Would it ever be feasible to pay a flat rate, say 3 or 4X the original cost of
a house to just outright buy it instead of renting it?' Sammael says
tolerantly.