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I heard on the docks that a new J-111 lost its rudder in this race. Rock and Roll was dnf. Anyone know what happened?

It is new to Santa Barbara but an early J-111. The rudder post broke just above the stainless steel collar and below the quadrant. Eventually the rudder worked it's way out and was found floating a day later. All on board were safe.

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I heard on the docks that a new J-111 lost its rudder in this race. Rock and Roll was dnf. Anyone know what happened?

It is new to Santa Barbara but an early J-111. The rudder post broke just above the stainless steel collar and below the quadrant. Eventually the rudder worked it's way out and was found floating a day later. All on board were safe.

rudder post made out of.....?

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I heard on the docks that a new J-111 lost its rudder in this race. Rock and Roll was dnf. Anyone know what happened?

It is new to Santa Barbara but an early J-111. The rudder post broke just above the stainless steel collar and below the quadrant. Eventually the rudder worked it's way out and was found floating a day later. All on board were safe.

rudder post made out of.....?

I believe it was carbon with foam core.

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Looked at this J-111 keel in the boat yard. To me it appears that the tall skinny keel lacks sufficient area for lateral resistance moving part of that load to the rudder. could that be an issue in the failure?

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I heard on the docks that a new J-111 lost its rudder in this race. Rock and Roll was dnf. Anyone know what happened?

It is new to Santa Barbara but an early J-111. The rudder post broke just above the stainless steel collar and below the quadrant. Eventually the rudder worked it's way out and was found floating a day later. All on board were safe.

rudder post made out of.....?

I believe it was carbon with foam core.

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why would a rudder post ever have a foam core??!!

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Rudder post failure is a common issue with offshore raced J/111's from the early batch. Hull #1 "Django" nee. "Stella" lost their rudder and sank in New Zealand a couple years back. "Blast" hull #? lost their rudder and limped to shore in the windy 2011 Halifax Race

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I am not a naval architect, just an insurance underwriter but I think building a stronger rudder post is not the final answer. From where I sit it looks like that skinny keel is placing tremendous forces on the rudder which is providing lateral resistance on a high wind reach. I went to the J-111 web site and they have about 2 dozen pictures of the boat, none showing anything below the water line. I know these boats are fast but insurance underwriters get off on safe.

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I am not a naval architect, just an insurance underwriter but I think building a stronger rudder post is not the final answer. From where I sit it looks like that skinny keel is placing tremendous forces on the rudder which is providing lateral resistance on a high wind reach. I went to the J-111 web site and they have about 2 dozen pictures of the boat, none showing anything below the water line. I know these boats are fast but insurance underwriters get off on safe.

You know nothing about the boat's seven year lifespan. It's on at least its third owner. Rudders can easily get damaged during transport. You might not see this damage until later. They may have hit debris or a whale in the water. A boat I worked on had its Mast damaged while it was boxed up for shipping. You couldn't see the damage, it looked like a two inch scratch. We started diggin, and the damage went thru the tube wall of a very expensive spar. Done, had to have it replaced. It may not have failed the first time out, but it would have eventually come down.

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it could have been transport damage but on another thread J-111 hull #1 lost its rudder and sank and hulls number 3 , 4 and 5 all lost their rudders hard reaching in a blow - maybe its a coincidence that Rock and Roll is in the yard without a rudder. You are right, I know nothing - just speculating...

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I believe it's a mini cam, not positive. I have a cam on my J105 for my rudder. Mine is an aftermarket auto backup camera with its own small display mounted just inside the companionway. Works great. Cost less than a $100.

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I believe it's a mini cam, not positive. I have a cam on my J105 for my rudder. Mine is an aftermarket auto backup camera with its own small display mounted just inside the companionway. Works great. Cost less than a $100.

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I dig the shots of the boat reaching on a plane. But, why so much water in the cockpit? Doesn't the boat have an open transom or at least have transom scuppers? I use to race an FJ in the late 60s and early 70s and we had scuppers in the transom with flaps on them.