I agree with Bucfan12. You have dreams of grandiosity. I don't see any way that Ansah falls that far; he is a solid top 10. Even if Rhodes falls out of the 1st round he is not going to last to the 45th pick. Jesse Williams is rising up draft boards and I don't see him falling out of the top 50 picks. Escobar and Woods are both solid 2nd rounders, maybe early 3rd. I don't see either of them falling to the 4th.

Could these things potentially happen? Anything is possible. But it's hard to take a mock seriously when it is based on such wishful thinking.

Ansah is not a lock by any means, I can see him being there at 13. Also I can see Escobar in the third, think he's a late second early third round pick. But yea that mock is wishful thinking.

I don't see the difficulty in signing Revis. If you go through with the deal, there will likely be new contract framework in place. You don't make this type of deal without having that already done. That is likely what is taking so long.

Where the difficulty with Revis lies is two years from now when another corner signs for more money. Or when he comes to a year on his contract where he gets a lower base salary that was written in to give the team a cap break. He will then forget about his huge signing bonus and the big bonuses he has gotten along the way and will demand more money now. So when you sign him to a 6-year, $90 million deal it will actually be a 2-year, $38 million deal with a new deal to follow. He will never be satisfied.

True enough. He is that kind of guy, just like his uncle.

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Rhodes is a guranteed 1st round pick. He's got the film too show for it. His ability to play press man and turn and run with 4.4 speed easily makes him a rd 1 pick. Plus, the Dolphins value press man CBs who are big and has been linked there the past few weeks. He may not even make it to our 1st round.

Your argument that Ansah will be there at 13 because JPP was there back in 2010 is absolutely absurd. If anything, teams learn from that. Ansah is a stud and is rising. Some have him to Jacksonville at 2 as a possibility. He's not going to make it to us. That's a sweet and wishful dream.

I'm loving Trufant every single day. Honestly, I see a lot of Darell Revis. Ability to lock down Wrs and just blanket them. He;s shown physicality and the ability to stick with any WR. May never be an INT machine, but I like this kid at 13. Might end up being the best in the draft.

Woods, I can possibly see slipping down to the 4th. But the rest is absolutely a pipe dream.

I just don't see the plan with the Bucs right now. We have big time holes at CB, DT and RT. I understand why they want to give up a 1 and 2 in 2014 for Revis. We are overpaying with next years picks so we can keep our picks in this draft. But the way the Bucs have played their hand if they don't get Revis this offseason will get a F. Cause will go into next season getting burned at the CB spot again.

My dream draft as of right now...
1. Jarvis Jones ( SLB that can be on the field with Bowers and Clay )
2. Brandon Williams ( Big Body DT to help cover up our LB Core )
3. Corey Lemonier ( DE that can fly. Can never have too many! )
4. Marcus Lattimore ( Would fill in is Martin's backup plus give some value )

I just don't see the plan with the Bucs right now. We have big time holes at CB, DT and RT. I understand why they want to give up a 1 and 2 in 2014 for Revis. We are overpaying with next years picks so we can keep our picks in this draft. But the way the Bucs have played their hand if they don't get Revis this offseason will get a F. Cause will go into next season getting burned at the CB spot again.

My dream draft as of right now...
1. Jarvis Jones ( SLB that can be on the field with Bowers and Clay )
2. Brandon Williams ( Big Body DT to help cover up our LB Core )
3. Corey Lemonier ( DE that can fly. Can never have too many! )
4. Marcus Lattimore ( Would fill in is Martin's backup plus give some value )

Draft a CB in round one restructure Eric Wright's contract. Theres your starting CB's. Draft a DT in round 2, theres your replacement for Roy Miller. Draft a RT in the 5th or 6th to backup Dotson. The 3 picks in rounds 3/4 grab a TE, CB and DE.

If you notice, there are no outside pass rushers and only DL is a 3rd round prospect from Stanford. This doesn't necessarily predicate the draft however

Where'd you find this list? It's interesting to see so many offensive linemen on that list.

If that is a complete list, I think you're correct that it doesn't really reveal what the Bucs are looking for, since, outside of Trufant, I don't see anyone on that list who is being talked about as a first round prospect.

Where'd you find this list? It's interesting to see so many offensive linemen on that list.

If that is a complete list, I think you're correct that it doesn't really reveal what the Bucs are looking for, since, outside of Trufant, I don't see anyone on that list who is being talked about as a first round prospect.

It's not. It;s the same thing we saw from Walter Football.com. Mainly it's guys we spoke with at the Senior Bowl and Shrine game. Hasn't been updated.

I loves his attitude when it comes to.coverage I just can't get that bcs game against alabama put of my head. Speaking of bama does anybody have any insight on Andre Smith? I know he had some issues coming into the draft with weight and off the field issuses but I can't remember hearing anything negative lately. Is he wanting a ridiculous contract?

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I loves his attitude when it comes to.coverage I just can't get that bcs game against alabama put of my head. Speaking of bama does anybody have any insight on Andre Smith? I know he had some issues coming into the draft with weight and off the field issuses but I can't remember hearing anything negative lately. Is he wanting a ridiculous contract?

I think he's looking for big money, but I will say this. If we are not trading for Revis I hope we sign him. He's turned himself into a beast in the run game and tho it's not a strong point he can hold his own in pass pro.

That's a lot of money in the O line, but I feel anyway that this might Davin Joseph's last season with us anyways. So sign Smith play one season with all of them and then we can cut Joseph freeing up the 6.5 millish that's on his deal. Smith is 3 years younger, hasn't hurt his knee and is a tackle not a OG.

Smith to me has the look of Lincoln Kennedy. In the ATL he was a disappointment but when traded to the Raiders he went to 3 pro bowls.

I think he's looking for big money, but I will say this. If we are not trading for Revis I hope we sign him. He's turned himself into a beast in the run game and tho it's not a strong point he can hold his own in pass pro.

That's a lot of money in the O line, but I feel anyway that this might Davin Joseph's last season with us anyways. So sign Smith play one season with all of them and then we can cut Joseph freeing up the 6.5 millish that's on his deal. Smith is 3 years younger, hasn't hurt his knee and is a tackle not a OG.

Smith to me has the look of Lincoln Kennedy. In the ATL he was a disappointment but when traded to the Raiders he went to 3 pro bowls.

I agree, that would fill a big.hole on our oline. However if he wants.starting LT money we can wait until after the draft. Thanks for the info

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W Doston getting that extension, I wonder if we really do see him as a long term fit st RT, but I def thought it was a position we'd look to upgrade.

I think we need to address NT obviously losing Roy, I like Richard Seymour, also Sedrick Ellis, I think if Star is on the board at 13, we draft him (ditto for Jarvis Jones and Miliner, respectively, but I dont think either sre on the board at 13. I wouldn't nbe surprised if we traded down and drafted Tavon Austin in the 17-22 range

Id really love this through 5:

1. Star Lotulelei - DT maybe an upgrade over Roy?
2. Jonathan Banks - CB young CB, big and rangy, playmaker
3. Margus Hunt - DE really love this kid, think he'd be a great high motor guy for our rotation
4. Tyran Mathieu - CB an immediate spark to our porous secondary, he steps in to play nickel if Ronde doesn't return
5. Ryan Swoop - WR - a nice speed element who can maybe step into the slot and truly claim it as his position

Id loovveee to have Jarvis on the team though, improving thr pass rush w.o drafting a defensive lineman would be huge imo. That's all I've got...lol.

You know, the more I ponder what the Bucs may be up to, in regards to their strategy with this offseason, the more I think this is the route. In this list, I have "starred" the team captains..... as those guys tend to get more love from Mark Dominik, especially early on in his drafts.

Round 1 - Take the 'best player available' amongst the following list:

Right now, in a non-trade, I think we may have Lotulelei on the roster. It just makes too much sense. The FO seems to think that Bowers and Clayborn are the anchors, but not even remotely pursuing Roy Miller (a Dominik draftee too, btw) and not having any depth worth trotting out on an NFL field on a regular basis at NT.... should be about as loud a signal as any. We're drafting a NT. While I agree that it may not be in the first..... still...

Round 2 - Take the best player available from this list, and also take into consideration the pick in Round 1. If it was a DT/LB/TE, then CB gets precedence, and vice-versa.

My gut tells me Greene is still in play. Maybe it's just hoping that he is. He just fits, even with the recent signing of a SLB. I'm thinking of a possible similarity of the Amobi Okoye situation last year. Got signed with a deal that allowed us to part ways easily, had to compete for a spot, failed, and got cut. Maybe same idea with Casillas. But, any of the CB's would be good here, same with Williams if he slips a bit, and same with Ertz.

Round 3 - This is where it starts to get a little foggy, but we'll likely see the Bucs' target a player that may have dropped, or slipped through the cracks a bit.

Here, with the depth at CB, is where we need... re:NEED.... to make hay and get a solid 7-10 year pro. We can't afford to miss here. Whether that guy is Ryan or Poyer or Amerson. Gotta be a contributor selected here.

Round 4 - Now we're in full out crazy mode, and I think, with two selections here, that we're either trading one of these to move up, or we're gonna take a gamble.

I'm thinking we may take a risk on Mathieu here. His play, certainly fits what we want to do. If Ronde is indeed done, the Honey Badger would be a perfect slot CB. That is, of course, if he can manage to drop the MJ for a minute. Honestly, if it happens that Jonathan Banks or Xavier Rhodes falls past pick 25, I think we deal one of these picks with our Round 2 selection back into the bottom of Round 1 to get our guy.

All that said.....

Option 1 - The ideal draft result for me.... the "NASCAR Draft" if you will.... all about speed and aggression.... more speed in the front 7 equals less coverage time for the secondary. And if we happen to trade for Darelle Revis with next years' picks (which I'm not in favor of, but looks like may well happen), then this draft actually makes the best sense, as it could position this defense to be extremely good. Really... damn good.

And then you sub in a, hopefully clean, Honey Badger, and Leonard Johnson/Eric Wright as nickel CB depending on situation.. yikes. I'd also like to see us add Sedrick Ellis or Alan Branch as a NT for rotation, as well as Dwight Freeney at DE to come in on passing situations on 2nd and 3rd downs in a rotation with both Bowers and Clayborn. And if Ronde comes back, well, Badger can sit a year and learn.... play special teams.

Option 2 - The "It fits the needs" draft.... maybe not flashy, but could turn out to have more than a few solid pros...

Do you guys know where there is an updated list? Or do teams keep that under wrap?

That's usually pretty protected info. There's not much access at the Combine by the media to where the teams are interviewing and such, so little leaks out unless a team wants that info out there. Other team personnel likely have ideas of who's visiting with whom, but we won't get that info.

Private worksouts tend to leak every now and again if an outlet is camping at the right place/right time..... but again..... hard to link.

Best bet is to frequent the same bar as Raheem and and get some inside info over drinks.

Honestly, watch out for Tyler Wilson in Round 2. I really think Schiano wants to take a QB early, someone with upside that can push Freeman. We never know what Dominik wants to do and is unpredictable.

Plus, I think Schiano wants to head into this season with a back up option at QB if Freeman falters again like he did last year. Orlovsky wouldn't really cut it.

Honestly, watch out for Tyler Wilson in Round 2. I really think Schiano wants to take a QB early, someone with upside that can push Freeman. We never know what Dominik wants to do and is unpredictable.

Plus, I think Schiano wants to head into this season with a back up option at QB if Freeman falters again like he did last year. Orlovsky wouldn't really cut it.

Not even if we had two 2nd round picks would I want to waste it on this weak QB class. Much rather take Landry Jones or Scott in the fourth and spend our high picks on players that will actually contribute.

Not even if we had two 2nd round picks would I want to waste it on this weak QB class. Much rather take Landry Jones or Scott in the fourth and spend our high picks on players that will actually contribute.

You sink or swim with Freeman this year, I believe we see more consistency from Freeman with a year under his belt in this system. Getting both Joseph and Nicks back will help to. We were in every game last year minus the Saints game, improving one of the worst defenses in the league should be our top priority.

You sink or swim with Freeman this year, I believe we see more consistency from Freeman with a year under his belt in this system. Getting both Joseph and Nicks back will help to. We were in every game last year minus the Saints game, improving one of the worst defenses in the league should be our top priority.