Gukgi Taegwondo was later influenced by Taegyeon, as can be seen in Olympic Taegwondo, which once again forces us to question what people actually mean when they say "traditional" Taekwondo.

This helped me to understand your first post.

Originally Posted by Bodhi108

There is no such thing as traditional TKD.

I am enlightened; this is what happens when someone (me) trains more for the physical aspects of TKD and only has a superficial grasp on the true history. Every time my TKD teacher started explaining Korean politics, the philosophical aspects of the art, or the history, I nodded my head up and down, acted like I totally understood, and went on to the next lesson.

I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

Every time my TKD teacher started explaining Korean politics, the philosophical aspects of the art, or the history, I nodded my head up and down, acted like I totally understood, and went on to the next lesson.

This is normally the safest thing to do, otherwise you end up like me & think anyone who practices Juche tul is essentially the equivalent of a Nazi sympathizer.

You got me there. I was thinking subak (taekkyeon) was old school, but you took it all the way back to the Chinese root. I've never heard of Gongsudo, but Dang / Tang is historical.
I learn a little something every day.

Subak and Taekkyon are two different items all together. Neither which have original connection to Taekwondo. Kong/Gongsudo is another way of saying Karate for the most part. Tang/Dangsoodo is initself bastardized version of Shotokan with a touch of Chuan'fa added for flavor.

Jeremy M. Talbott

Originally Posted by Phrost

"Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."

Originally Posted by D.Murray

"Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"

Originally Posted by hangooknamja88

My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...

Dangsudo & Gongsudo are the Korean pronunciations of the two Kanji sets for Karatedo. Taegyeon & subak are too completely different combat sports, neither of which had any direct influence on the development of Taekwondo, especially Choi's Odogwan. Gukgi Taegwondo was later influenced by Taegyeon, as can be seen in Olympic Taegwondo, which once again forces us to question what people actually mean when they say "traditional" Taekwondo.

Well crap on me...I pretth much just repeated what you said in my previous post. Should have read through. :) I would say though that TKD kicking was influenced by HKD kicking, which depending on what history you want to adhere to, was influenced by Taekkyon.

As much as it may pain some people to be faced with, when we look at what the concepts of KMA were before the Japanese occupation and Taegwondo systems that mirror that in modern day, Olympic Taegwondo is far closer to Korean traditional spirit than ITF.

Agreed. Especially the "spirit" of it. Koreans are very prideful people and the took something that was essentially Japanese and turned it into something that is completely their own art. I just got through reading a full history book on Korea and a lot of the their history has made helped me understand a bit more of their mentality when it comes to such things like Taekwondo.

I may have even found some items that don't quite jive with the Killing Art take on history. Though I am still sifting through it to make sure.

Jeremy M. Talbott

Originally Posted by Phrost

"Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."

Originally Posted by D.Murray

"Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"

Originally Posted by hangooknamja88

My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...

This is normally the safest thing to do, otherwise you end up like me & think anyone who practices Juche tul is essentially the equivalent of a Nazi sympathizer.

It is not the ones that practice the form so much as it is the ones going over to North Korea under the guise of "friendship" and support for that regime. Not to mention getting pictures of one person saluting a NK soldier.

Jeremy M. Talbott

Originally Posted by Phrost

"Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."

Originally Posted by D.Murray

"Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"

Originally Posted by hangooknamja88

My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...

It is not the ones that practice the form so much as it is the ones going over to North Korea under the guise of "friendship" and support for that regime. Not to mention getting pictures of one person saluting a NK soldier.