If the Bears fans have their way, it looks like Lovie will be gone after this season. What would you think of him as our HC?

Id stop watching the Lions play football. Lovies teams have missed the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years starting many of those seasons as SB Contenders and with a spectacular D and supposed franchise players like Cutler and Marshall on offense.

Never been impressed with him , even when they made the SB, and its been all downhill since then.

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Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

December 31st, 2012, 12:47 pm

kdsberman

League MVP

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Re: Lovie!?!

rao wrote:

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

To be fair the wide 9 worked great for Tenn while they were using all the different stunts and movement with their DEs. The Lions defense just seems to lack all the creativity and aggression I thought Schwartz would bring with him from Tenn and I think it has a lot to do with Schwartz not running the Def himself.

December 31st, 2012, 1:09 pm

thelomasbrowns

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Joined: August 24th, 2010, 9:54 pmPosts: 2870

Re: Lovie!?!

rao wrote:

kdsberman wrote:

rao wrote:

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

To be fair the wide 9 worked great for Tenn while they were using all the different stunts and movement with their DEs. The Lions defense just seems to lack all the creativity and aggression I thought Schwartz would bring with him from Tenn and I think it has a lot to do with Schwartz not running the Def himself.

Word is Rivera is out in Carolina. Would be a great DC for us.

_________________"Good teams don't worry about a whole lot of stuff. They travel, they play, they win. And it doesn't matter where they go, what the time block is, all those kinds of things. They never seem to bother teams that play well, and we want to be one of those teams." -Jim Caldwell

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

To be fair the wide 9 worked great for Tenn while they were using all the different stunts and movement with their DEs. The Lions defense just seems to lack all the creativity and aggression I thought Schwartz would bring with him from Tenn and I think it has a lot to do with Schwartz not running the Def himself.

There is nothing wrong with the wide 9. The problem is you need to right players to fill out the back 7. Specifically the LBers. I am very disappointed in Tulloch. Coming here from the Titans, he should know how to play the wide 9 system. But, all his tackles seem to be 5-7 yards down field. Not, at the LOS like they should be if he were a great MLB. It is a possibility that Durrant and Levy stink so bad that he can't properly do his own job. But, if that is the case, he needs to just let both of them look as bad as they are and just do his own job.

Even with all that, if we had even average #1 and #2 CB's and Safeties, we could compensate for inadequate Line backing.

December 31st, 2012, 1:53 pm

LionsAllDay

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Joined: July 3rd, 2012, 2:06 amPosts: 890

Re: Lovie!?!

BillySims wrote:

rao wrote:

kdsberman wrote:

rao wrote:

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

To be fair the wide 9 worked great for Tenn while they were using all the different stunts and movement with their DEs. The Lions defense just seems to lack all the creativity and aggression I thought Schwartz would bring with him from Tenn and I think it has a lot to do with Schwartz not running the Def himself.

There is nothing wrong with the wide 9. The problem is you need to right players to fill out the back 7. Specifically the LBers. I am very disappointed in Tulloch. Coming here from the Titans, he should know how to play the wide 9 system. But, all his tackles seem to be 5-7 yards down field. Not, at the LOS like they should be if he were a great MLB. It is a possibility that Durrant and Levy stink so bad that he can't properly do his own job. But, if that is the case, he needs to just let both of them look as bad as they are and just do his own job.

Even with all that, if we had even average #1 and #2 CB's and Safeties, we could compensate for inadequate Line backing.

From what I've seen, Tulloch is just not a good linebacker. His pursuit on the ball carrier is awful most of the time and he can't cover most tight ends. DeAndre Levy always seems lost on the field, misses many tackles, and is weak in coverage. Durant is a great tackler, but not exceptional at everything else. If our corners didn't have to play 10 feet off WRs I'm VERY sure the linebackers would look better, though.

Why get Lovie as a HC? If all you want is to get to the post season 3 times in 9 years then just stick with Schwartz, I'm sure Jimmy can do about just as well, he has all the bad clock management tricks down. I honestly believe if Schwartz took a more hands on approach to the Def, the Lions would probably look a whole lot like the Bears every year.

I agree. Except he probably still would want the Wide 9 every damn play.

To be fair the wide 9 worked great for Tenn while they were using all the different stunts and movement with their DEs. The Lions defense just seems to lack all the creativity and aggression I thought Schwartz would bring with him from Tenn and I think it has a lot to do with Schwartz not running the Def himself.

There is nothing wrong with the wide 9. The problem is you need to right players to fill out the back 7. Specifically the LBers. I am very disappointed in Tulloch. Coming here from the Titans, he should know how to play the wide 9 system. But, all his tackles seem to be 5-7 yards down field. Not, at the LOS like they should be if he were a great MLB. It is a possibility that Durrant and Levy stink so bad that he can't properly do his own job. But, if that is the case, he needs to just let both of them look as bad as they are and just do his own job.

Even with all that, if we had even average #1 and #2 CB's and Safeties, we could compensate for inadequate Line backing.

From what I've seen, Tulloch is just not a good linebacker. His pursuit on the ball carrier is awful most of the time and he can't cover most tight ends. DeAndre Levy always seems lost on the field, misses many tackles, and is weak in coverage. Durant is a great tackler, but not exceptional at everything else. If our corners didn't have to play 10 feet off WRs I'm VERY sure the linebackers would look better, though.

I think it's coaching. Tulloch was a good player in Tenn, Durant was a great run stuffer but got injured too much so the Lions got him in FA, Levy has the ability to be good but never seems to get better, and Delmas continues to keep taking bad angles and doesn't know your allowed to use your arms when tackling. All these guys with Houston and the DL should make a good Def. In truth they haven't even been as bad as the record makes it seem, its just mental and discipline issues that holds the team back.

December 31st, 2012, 3:50 pm

hamma77

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Re: Lovie!?!

3 playoff apperences in 9 years, thats almost the same % as schwartz

December 31st, 2012, 4:17 pm

njroar

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Re: Lovie!?!

hamma77 wrote:

3 playoff apperences in 9 years, thats almost the same % as schwartz

one in the last six is what got him the hook.

December 31st, 2012, 4:23 pm

conversion02

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Re: Lovie!?!

And he had a millen-esque GM in Angelo for far too long

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December 31st, 2012, 4:37 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Lovie!?!

conversion02 wrote:

And he had a millen-esque GM in Angelo for far too long

I really don't see where all the Angelo hate comes from. He drafted and held onto one of the best LBs in the game, he drafted and held onto a very good RB, put together a reasonably priced extremely good D year after year, got them to the playoffs, and seemed to fill every position on the field for a bargain, but never found his Qb.

I don't see what the issue is, and I certainly can't see how you can compare him to Matt Millen.

January 4th, 2013, 1:02 pm

DJ-B

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Re: Lovie!?!

wjb21ndtown wrote:

conversion02 wrote:

And he had a millen-esque GM in Angelo for far too long

I really don't see where all the Angelo hate comes from. He drafted and held onto one of the best LBs in the game, he drafted and held onto a very good RB, put together a reasonably priced extremely good D year after year, got them to the playoffs, and seemed to fill every position on the field for a bargain, but never found his Qb.

I don't see what the issue is, and I certainly can't see how you can compare him to Matt Millen.

I really don't see where all the Angelo hate comes from. He drafted and held onto one of the best LBs in the game, he drafted and held onto a very good RB, put together a reasonably priced extremely good D year after year, got them to the playoffs, and seemed to fill every position on the field for a bargain, but never found his Qb.

I don't see what the issue is, and I certainly can't see how you can compare him to Matt Millen.

My take on it (after listening to a lot of Chicago sports talk radio) is that it was Lovie's coaching that kept them performing at a high level. Hence the reason I'd like to have him as a coach here.

_________________"Good teams don't worry about a whole lot of stuff. They travel, they play, they win. And it doesn't matter where they go, what the time block is, all those kinds of things. They never seem to bother teams that play well, and we want to be one of those teams." -Jim Caldwell