I regularly have to endure traffic too - by which I mean being a pedestrian or a cyclist in an environment where these smelly brutes are constantly threatening me with their incessant roars, and I can't even relieve the stress by taking a deep breath because of the 'smelly' part. There are islands here and there where cars are banned, and I might have to move to one of those when circumstances permit

Haha, that's exactly what I think of cars. I really miss the time when I would take a train to work. But for some reason I cannot even begin to understand they dismantled the Columbus train station about 20 years ago and removed all passenger trains. Now it's cars and only cars to get anywhere

Love public transit. I take it each day to work, and each day I get on during rush hour. Both the subway car and street car that I have to get on are completely packed... like... you're standing literally right next to everybody.

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But I still prefer it to driving. No contest.

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Now it's cars and only cars to get anywhere

America.

Combine that automobile lifestyle with health care costs, student loan debt, TV advertising, unhealthy food, and locked cell phones, and that makes up all the reasons I never want to go back. And Americans are so proud of their cars, too. Sales of Hummers spiked up when the cost of oil dropped. It's just stupid.

Canada does not benefit from global warming... It's likely going to ruin this beautiful land that we live on for decades if not centuries, and probably will turn the entire planet towards violent wars fighting for remaining resources...

I never got a chance to experience Toronto's public transit because I was only in the city for hours or a night each time, but I can say that the city itself seems like a terrible place to live. At least, downtown. It smelled like shit on the street, literally. That improved once you headed North though.

Taxi drivers were crazy. And from the looks of things, subways/trains only covered a tiny fraction of the city so you would be forced to resort to buses and maybe "street cars" (I have no idea what the street car routes are like, but I didn't notice any tracks outside of downtown).

It was an exciting place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. You'd have to pay me handsomely to do it... Let alone to raise a family there. Jesus.

I love driving. I can understand hating driving if you live in a major city area where traffic is crazy. In my city it's not that bad. Lots of bad drivers, but you can generally avoid them if you're careful (knock on wood). I'm not opposed to public transit. I think it makes a lot of sense to poor resources and share the energy. However, I don't want to spend an hour or two commuting to work every day either, let alone jumping between rides to get there because a particular mechanism doesn't go all the way. I think it would also bother me being surrounded by so many people. I mean, people can be great, but as great as they can be they can also be unbearable and you can be stuck dealing with them every single day.

As an aside, another really fun way to drive, albeit more dangerous, is riding a motorcycle. Again, you don't want to do this where it's ridiculously complex or busy like Toronto. But it's a lot of fun.

Mark, depending on your personality you may love it more in Northern Ontario. It's quieter. There's less to do, and public transit is much less, but there's also clean air and treeeees. Driving isn't so bad up here. It's the best way to get around. I drive about 8 minutes to work each way. For the most part, that is all the driving I have to do on a daily basis with small exceptions for beer, gas, groceries, and the occasional shopping trip or visit. Most things near my apartment so I rarely have to go far. I can cross the city in 15-20 minutes. I ride my motorcycle to work in the summer, and also for leisure occasionally on various routes in or out of the city (there is a shortage of good motorcycle roads, but we make due).

Well, maybe big city life is perfect for you. And that's great. I don't think I could do it. For anybody else considering Canada, Toronto is the exception, not the rule. Toronto is the least Canadian place I've been to in Canada (which isn't saying much, I've only been in Ontario, but I digress). They don't even have gravy in their fucking restaurants, let alone poutine.

Random example of driving in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario (short drive to get beer, but few intersections suck...).

There are several more videos of my riding my motorcycle that will show you what it's like in other parts of the city, but even our most busy intersection isn't all that bad.

Wow, 1600 views since 2011? Obviously a very well received video. We all know the most credible videos disable likes/dislikes too. It appears the comments are enabled, but they must be heavily policed because there's zero in 5 years...

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