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I'm fucking sick of all this shit on the news - all this shit on the streets - all this shit on the planet. People arguing about who's right and who's not - people fighting over what they believe should happen - people "fighting for peace" (as mentioned in another post). Fucking for virginity. That's EXACTLY what it is. I'm using this board as an example because every one of you reading this represents a piece of the population - we all stumbled across this board one way or another, and we all come from all over the planet - what is one thing we all have in common? We all have our own opinion. People argue their opinion, people demean other people - you see it all the time on forums, (not just this one) - and granted, people are 'tough behind the keyboard' - moreso than in real life.. but still - it goes to show what people are really thinking.. How many of you have stopped to wonder how many people disagree with a decision you make that effects other people? For example: if you're a supervisor at work and you decide that something will be for the better - you make the change and boom - half the staff hate you for it.. This kind of shit happens ALL THE TIME in governments around the globe - WHAT THE FUCK! This whole fucking planet is one massive MOAB waiting to go off and all it's going to take is the right spark .. What then? What is going to happen when nuclear hollocaust claims billions of lives and all that's left is canned food soaked in radioactive waste scattered as far as the eye can see? Will THAT bring unity? I don't think so..

Basically what I'm saying is the world we live in is a shithole, and I'm fucking tired of it. What the fuck do we live for? So we can go to school to be conditioned to a government we don't agree with so they can be overpowered by an even bigger government only to come home after working a job we don't like to see news we don't want to see for what? Yeah there's the little things, sweet smelling flowers and long walks on the beach, but what's it all for if it's a rinse and repeat cycle that eventually leads to our bodies rotting in some box burried 6 feet under the ground?

I'm sorry for ranting, but I'm sick of it. I'm fucking sick of it. I have to go to work now. *fUCK*

--------------------No one knows the worth of innocence till he knows it is gone forever, and that money can't buy it back. Not the saint, but the sinner that repenteth, is he to whom the full length and breadth, and height and depth, of life's meaning is revealed. Good and evil loose all objective meaning and are seen as equally necessary and contrasting elements in the masterpiece that is the universe.

I feel exactly that way almost every day.
I try not to let it get to me.

The flipside is that people like us realize the whole "shithole" existance that we've built for ourselves, and that is good.
What's even better is acting on it.
But how can we?
What do we do?
Some say "act as if the world really is what you'd like it to be and it will be."
That doesn't sit well with me.
I can't lie to myself like that.
I deal with the circumstances of the moment, not fantasy. Although the fantasy is ever present in the back of my mind...
NOW is what matters.
It's all there is.
In the now exists only the polarity of our consciousness.
Duality.
It's what we are.
Material "stuff" is a side effect of that.
Embrace the stinky bullshit.
Allow it, as it is one part of this duality.
Laugh at it if you feel the urge...cry if you feel the urge.
Call it as you see it.
Maybe someone else will call it as they see it and both can learn from the exchange of thought.

It seems as though we are collectively forcing ourselves to experience the full force of this duality right now.
Generations go into emotional remission and then burst out again with bombs and protests.
It's so exaggerated that I can't help but laugh at it.
We're forcing ourselves to learn, to evolve.
Everyone will learn their lesson.
The learning process involves death.
Death of ideas, constructs, systems.
Bodies.
Entire civilizations have been wiped from the earth before.
Nothing's stopping it from happening again.
But where does the consciousness go?
Is it really gone forever?
The answer to these questions is what I hope to learn.

People bickering everywhere, everyone looking to assert themselves on top of everyone else. Impatience, intolerance, greed, anger, hatred and it just seems to be intensifying. Apparently technology and communication are bringing everyone on the planet "closer" together than we've ever been in the past, but why does it seem that emotionally or even "spiritually" for that matter, we seem to be drifting further and further apart....

I dont believe all hope is lost, however, for just as I was thinking thoughts about the sorry state of the world the other day, while walking home from the grocery store, a middle aged man stopped me in the street, and said "excuse me did you drop some money?" (Me being in my own little world hadnt noticed a $20 note fall from my pocket onto the pavement). I checked my pocket, and sure enough I had dropped my money, and the man handed it right back to me. I was stunned, and I wasnt sure what to say. I just exclaimed thanks, thanks etc, over again, and shook his hand... At the time, I felt that this showed me, that although the world may appear to be heading into chaos, common decency and kindness arent a lost cause..

But, it would be a perfect example fo your point, if an argument gets started in this thread.... im sure someone has a differing opinion that they would love to assert, rather than share...

Whoa, im also sorry for ranting, and kind of derailing the thread...

Sincerely, and Best Wishes to all,

Jono

--------------------Our problem results from acting like cowboys on a limitless frontier when in truth we inhabit a living spaceship with a finely balanced life-support system." David C. Korton

Quote:Basically what I'm saying is the world we live in is a shithole, and I'm fucking tired of it. What the fuck do we live for? So we can go to school to be conditioned to a government we don't agree with so they can be overpowered by an even bigger government only to come home after working a job we don't like to see news we don't want to see for what? Yeah there's the little things, sweet smelling flowers and long walks on the beach, but what's it all for if it's a rinse and repeat cycle that eventually leads to our bodies rotting in some box burried 6 feet under the ground?

I liked ur rantit is good to get angrybut only if it is followed by a calmNow that you see how fucked up things areIt is time to think..we can use all the people we can getbut everytime someone gives upnegativity wins

sure its badand it will get worsebut it WILL get betterI cant say if it will happen in our timeBut it will happenHow?

Humans just cover up 1%(of course i don't know wether this is the right percentile) of the planets inhabitants, that still leaves 99% to ENJOY

We humans, always consider ourselves so extremely important, but are we really? IMO, no, we are just one piece (be it a very odd piece) like every other organism of the big puzzle called a global ecosystem.

So perhaps we could better take a little distance from our own, and try to find what purpose our shithole could serve into the bigger plan that DOES matter. I find nature to be so perfect, that i don't find the argument we are a 'mistake' plausible. Nature just does not make mistakes (i dare to say)

For instance:
If evolution would be a cyclus-configured system i could imagine humans as being the evolutionary exponantial growth hitting infinity. By that a crash would be inevitable, but by making humans hate eachother(how is of course a theory on itself) and killing each other off, thus reducing overpopulation, you would even strech that crash out as far as possible. Armageddon perhaps would be inevitable, but what the fuck. That would mean nature was able to grow for billion and billions of years, just to have an ever inevitable meltdown of JUST 20.000 years.And after that, it can start a new cycle. So for natures' sake, who cares?!?! Who knows what would've happened to the dinosaurs if the comet didn't come by. Science already pointed out that they were getting bigger and bigger as the millennia passed. Who knows how that would've ended if that wasn't stopped abruptly. I don't know of course, but i guess the moral of the story is that by taking a whole different perspective to things you can not only relativate the shit around you, but even gain new insights. Hell, perhaps you could even see natures beauty in humans selfdestructive nature....

ps. i know above piece of theory might sound quite crappy and assumptional in english so don't hold it against me. I do have a lot of these little bastards about humans floating in my head but i can say this: what they all have in common is that WE don't care, and that nature RULES the hard-core scene

ps2 and all of this doesn't mean i see the mugging of an old lady as something ? so beautiful Mixed emotions are justifyable from different planes and can very much coexist with each other. Or i'm just a schizo and don't know it yet...

--------------------What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?

Wow guys! I just wanna say thanks! I was expecting to get shot down, curb stomped, then set on fire for this post .. I was almost kinda looking forward ot it, but yeah - I think it's out of my system now! My 5 day weekend has finally come! WOOHOO!

Thanks again guys!

--------------------No one knows the worth of innocence till he knows it is gone forever, and that money can't buy it back. Not the saint, but the sinner that repenteth, is he to whom the full length and breadth, and height and depth, of life's meaning is revealed. Good and evil loose all objective meaning and are seen as equally necessary and contrasting elements in the masterpiece that is the universe.

I think anyone who has tripped gets that feeling nubious. It just brings things to ur attention u never thought about like ur example how fucked up the world really is. I dont think it will get any better we will be the undoing of ourselves. But hey its all good. anyways u made some good points nice post

yeah man... i'd like to think of this (and the other forums) as a place where we can come to bounce ideas off eachother and learn stuff...

but more often then not... it's just some game we play to prove our intelligence to ourselves... i don't know about you guys... but when i look back at some of my posts and look deeply at why i even posted them, that's the only thing i can think of...

arguing that you're right and trying to prove it isn't what it should be about (i know i myself am usually guilty of this).... but instead, learning (or teaching)...

still... there is much to be learned from debating... it's not all just some game. whatever... good points though...

i agree...however, not everyone is bad, and i feel that to say that the world is fucked up is a generalization...people ought to start learning to love each other rather than hating on each other all the time. think of the worst person you can--- then realize that he/she trying to reach their own happiness...what's so wrong about that? just because you dont agree with it, you label it as "evil." though the government, large corporations, etc., are shitty as a whole...they're made up of people who have their own lives and dreams and happiness.. i feel like im not making sense right now....but things dont seem so bad to me when i think of it that way.

> but more often then not... it's just some game we play to prove our intelligence > to ourselves... i don't know about you guys... but when i look back at some of > my posts and look deeply at why i even posted them, that's the only thing i can > think of...

Humans aren't responsible for their past actions though. They can't change them. The past is out of your control, so why should you be blamed for it? 'You' are running many different metaprograms at many different times though. I guess the only constant is the Ultimate, the only will that of the Universe, and the only consciousness watching any of this that of God.

> still... there is much to be learned from debating... it's not all just some game. > whatever... good points though...

Why can't it be a fun game? Maybe this is all a fun game?

That's interesting. Maybe we're all just playing our selves and having a great time.

GREAT posts, xgagon! i totally agree with you... if you feel that the situation of the world is affecting you this badly, nubious, you should try to stop letting yourself get inmersed into it... stop watching tv, because 99,9% of what you see on TV is fear and consumption... i stopped watching TV for the better... and i try to get away from everything that gives me a negative vibe... be it TV, a certain type of music, some people i cant stand... i just try and stay away from them... not judge them, and not fight them... just recognize their existance, and see that i have nothing good to gain from beeing close to them... this is actually the reason i havent been posting all that much lately... i even try to stay away from the spiritual discussions on this board... quite some time ago i could think of nothing better than posting argument over argument about my truth, in order to prove my point to swami and the such... i found out it was an ego thing... so now i just stay away from it, i have my truth and there is no point in fighting over it... anyways, im kind of getting off-topic here...as far as im concerned, i realize that the global situation compared to a best case scenario is fucked up... but i also realize that im doing quite well... and a lot of people are, too... i have friends that i love... i have a roof over my head, enough food, enough of everything... and im happy... and it makes me happy to see how many people are realizing this, too... they are standing up to make this world another place... in 1992 almost NOBODY protested against the war although it was just as stupid as this one... and look at it now... millions and millions of people are protesting all over the world... it is getting better, my friend... love is in the air