As for the spoilers, don't CBS usually hold other surprises and spoils out other types of things? I have this small belief that there are more things than the passports that we haven't seen or realized.

I find "walkingpneumonia's" rainman comment very distasteful and 100% uncalled for. I think an apology is owed to Zev and his family and friends.

Gosh.

Perhaps you could use this opportunity to educate us CTYankee??

I work with children, know several people with Asbergers, and have a best friend with a child who has the diagnosis as well. So I am embarassed to say that I did not know that "rainman" was considered derogatory in any way.

I thought that the term referred to an "autistic savant", which is of course a VERY limited 1988 view of autism, not a 2009 view.

But I always thought that as limited in the portrayl of only one very rare form of autism as it was, the movie did at least introduce a lot of people to autism.

And while I only remember the broad outline of the movie, IIRC, when I think of the movie I remember it as showing a brother coming to love and appreciate and understand his autistic brother, much as Zev has done for Asberger's and TAR viewers.

I will say that RFF prides itself on NEVER allowing derogatory comments to be made regarding anyone with a disability...whether that be a "little person", an athlete with one leg, a hearing impaired racer, or someone with Asberger's.

In my mind, ZEV has touched all of our hearts and opened many, many eyes to Asberger's, and has been an inspiration to all of us, proving yet again that nothing need stand in the way of achieving a dream.

If the term "rainman" IS insensitive, I certainly would like to know for future reference, so any guidance you could offer would be appreciated. I know that during Charla's time on the race, a lot of people learned that the term "midget" was considered offensive, so if this is a similar case we all need to be made aware, so thank you for mentioning it.

But we LOVE Zev and his determination, his humor, and his racing skills around here, so I am very sure no purposeful disrespect was intended.

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I find "walkingpneumonia's" rainman comment very distasteful and 100% uncalled for. I think an apology is owed to Zev and his family and friends.

Gosh.

Perhaps you could use this opportunity to educate us CTYankee??

I work with children, know several people with Asbergers, and have a best friend with a child who has the diagnosis as well. So I am embarassed to say that I did not know that "rainman" was considered derogatory in any way.

I thought that the term referred to an "autistic savant", which is of course a VERY limited 1988 view of autism, not a 2009 view.

But I always thought that as limited in the portrayl of only one very rare form of autism as it was, the movie did at least introduce a lot of people to autism.

And while I only remember the broad outline of the movie, IIRC, when I think of the movie I remember it as showing a brother coming to love and appreciate and understand his autistic brother, much as Zev has done for Asberger's and TAR viewers.

I will say that RFF prides itself on NEVER allowing derogatory comments to be made regarding anyone with a disability...whether that be a "little person", an athlete with one leg, a hearing impaired racer, or someone with Asberger's.

In my mind, ZEV has touched all of our hearts and opened many, many eyes to Asberger's, and has been an inspiration to all of us, proving yet again that nothing need stand in the way of achieving a dream.

If the term "rainman" IS insensitive, I certainly would like to know for future reference, so any guidance you could offer would be appreciated. I know that during Charla's time on the race, a lot of people learned that the term "midget" was considered offensive, so if this is a similar case we all need to be made aware, so thank you for mentioning it.

But we LOVE Zev and his determination, his humor, and his racing skills around here, so I am very sure no purposeful disrespect was intended.

Yes, I have a family member with Asbergers, and I do not find that insulting as well, Zev is probably one of my FAVORITES this season, so I have no bias against him either.

I find "walkingpneumonia's" rainman comment very distasteful and 100% uncalled for. I think an apology is owed to Zev and his family and friends.

Gosh.

Perhaps you could use this opportunity to educate us CTYankee??

I work with children, know several people with Asbergers, and have a best friend with a child who has the diagnosis as well. So I am embarassed to say that I did not know that "rainman" was considered derogatory in any way.

I thought that the term referred to an "autistic savant", which is of course a VERY limited 1988 view of autism, not a 2009 view.

But I always thought that as limited in the portrayl of only one very rare form of autism as it was, the movie did at least introduce a lot of people to autism.

And while I only remember the broad outline of the movie, IIRC, when I think of the movie I remember it as showing a brother coming to love and appreciate and understand his autistic brother, much as Zev has done for Asberger's and TAR viewers.

I will say that RFF prides itself on NEVER allowing derogatory comments to be made regarding anyone with a disability...whether that be a "little person", an athlete with one leg, a hearing impaired racer, or someone with Asberger's.

If the term "rainman" IS insensitive, I certainly would like to know for future reference, so any guidance you could offer would be appreciated. I know that during Charla's time on the race, a lot of people learned that the term "midget" was considered offensive, so if this is a similar case we all need to be made aware, so thank you for mentioning it.

I don't think that the term "Rain Man" is offensive at all. Then again, I probably couldn't judge. But just because one person is offended by a term, doesn't mean that everyone is/must be. If that were the case, there would be no descriptive terms for anything!

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1. How do you feel about the spoilers? They are extremely over-the-top, and should stop now before we find out the winner from CBS itself!

2. Do we get to see both tasks this week, or they have to save room for the "Passport" drama? There will be both tasks, but they will not be the main focus. The editing of racing will be quick, saving time for the passport problems.

3. Who do you think loses the clue? I don't know that we will be able to blame one person. We may not know when they lose it, thus neither would be responsible.

4. Do you think they recover? And I can't believe CBS spoiled it. I don't think they will recover if their confessional is at night. But then again, it could be a confessional from a future leg (if they survive), or from the same leg but they are simply interviewed late for some reason (if they survive). Or maybe they had just accepted elimination by that point.

And I can believe CBS spoiled it. They are lame these days.

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I got something to say though... autism is not really that of a big disability. If I were to compare Zev with Luke, I would say that Luke is the more disadvantaged one. But congratulations for both of them because they are really competitive racers.

I find "walkingpneumonia's" rainman comment very distasteful and 100% uncalled for. I think an apology is owed to Zev and his family and friends.

It's not distasteful -- but it is inaccurate for Zev -- and for me (I have Asperger's Syndrome as well). The guy in "Rain Man" was an autistic savant, which usually refers to someone who has autism (and is often mentally retarded as well, since most autistic children have IQ scores below 70) but have unique abilities. I don't think it refers to people with Asperger's Syndrome, since people with that type of disorder often have average to above-average intelligence (like me). But people who have high-functioning autism and very unusual abilities might be considered autistic savants.

I find calling Zev (or anyone with a disability) labeling and judgmental. It's like calling someone who's overweight "fat" or "chubby" etc. It's childish and uncalled for. I doubt anyone would like it if they had a child that was being picked on by his/hers peers and was called "stupid" or "Rainman" cause they did something a little slower than someone else, even if they didn't have any disability. Guess I'm just very non-judgmental. I think Zev and Justin are awesome. Justin is an amazing friend to Zev and they make a great team. I'm sure they'd like to win the big prize, but they are having a blast doing it and that's what really matters. They're not cut throat to other teammates and they are very supportive of each other. I think they rock and can handle anything.

I find calling Zev (or anyone with a disability) labeling and judgmental. It's like calling someone who's overweight "fat" or "chubby" etc. It's childish and uncalled for. I doubt anyone would like it if they had a child that was being picked on by his/hers peers and was called "stupid" or "Rainman" cause they did something a little slower than someone else, even if they didn't have any disability. Guess I'm just very non-judgmental. I think Zev and Justin are awesome. Justin is an amazing friend to Zev and they make a great team. I'm sure they'd like to win the big prize, but they are having a blast doing it and that's what really matters. They're not cut throat to other teammates and they are very supportive of each other. I think they rock and can handle anything.

I don't see where anyone called Zev stupid? or stated that we do not like Zev and Justin or think they are bad racers nor do we think they are not great teammates. Give us a break, we love Zev and Justin as well and really if you think Rainman is bad, which I don't, go check out sucks and what they are calling him...by the way a place that I now avoid. You want us to apologize? Well fine we are SORRY you are upset and we are SORRY if "Rainman" offended Zev or his family okay? Please let it go already.