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However if you're just mad because you think they are unfair, and you don't like it, get over yourself.
They likely train together because they are all at the same level. They want to go hard with each other, and get the most out of their training.
From the outside it may look like an elite club. They don't like kyu ranks and women. That makes you sad.
From the inside, it probably seems to them, like they want to train really hard and have found a group they are comfortable with. They feel safe with each other, and can explore Aikido together.
It likely doesn't have anything to do with you, kyu's or women.

I have to disagree that exclusion is appropriate in an aikido dojo. Working with kohai helps teach us the patience, humility, social responsibility, and generosity that are intrinsic to our art. I would even say that it's the responsibility of sempai to actively try to work with kohai. If those guys want to train together, they should do so at an open mat time...

I agree with others regarding this really is an insignificant number. Normally, most dojo will have one or two jerks. Well, due to your dojo's size you get 8 - 12. It's the same percentage of jerks.

Please listen to Rachel she gives great advice. She helped me overcome some issues I had in the past. And well, her advice for me was right. Her's towards you , I'd bet will be right, too. It will work out in the long run.

I also agree, they probably are a little clueless. The young guys probably just need some young guys to train with, just like sometimes I just need another woman to train with. Be thankful, they have other young bucks to train with.

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I gotta admit I am jut amazed at how everyone is willing to put a label on these "dojo frat boys" without knowing the other side of the story.

What if it was the flip side of the story and I was complaining about the "aiki fruities" who never let me play because I was too vigorous and they excluded me?

Be prepared for what Life or Aikido hands you and appreciate the unexpected and what you learn for it...and don't be afraid to stick you finger in the flame every once in a while. You learn from the burn.

I gotta admit I am jut amazed at how everyone is willing to put a label on these "dojo frat boys" without knowing the other side of the story.

I was going to ask the very same thing.
To get this in perspective for me. An Aikido student of 7 months is upset that a dozen black belts won't go out of their way to train with them or invite them to parties?

Somewhat of the same caliber, when I first joined the army there was a little group in the mess. Soldiers who have been in a long time, have overseas experience under their belts, know a lot about their job and are well respected by both new recruits AND higher ranking people. I wanted desperately to be a part of them, go drinking with them, be included by them- as did everyone else. They really didn't give us the time of day, they were doing their own thing. Pissed me off, why the hell wouldn't they interact with us.

Fast forward 12 years later. I'm in the group that has been overseas 3 or 4 times, have the cool courses, know who's who in the zoo, can walk by the commanding officer (ie sensi) and say Hey how the hell are you sir? when other troops are too nervous or intimidated to say hello.
Same thing happens, 18 year olds trying to strike up conversations about stuff they haven't experienced yet, trying to be included in our group.
It doesn't work like that. You gotta put your time in. I'll be polite and respectful but I'm 30, I just don't want to go to parties with 18 year olds, I don't have much in the way of conversation with them either (read we don't have that much in common). If I have to teach them or lead them I will no problem but do I consider them "peers"?Not really, not yet.

The black belts mentioned should make time for the new students and teach them, instruct them and not ignore them but the truth is their not on the same level, they don't have the same experience's. They have been through a lot together, probably training withone another their whole MA career. In a few years you'll be in the same spot (or close) and you'll probably have a young white belt complaining that you and your group won't give them the respect they deserve