It's clear that people wanted a Kingdom Heart title for home consoles, it's been almost 8 years since Kingdom Hearts II was released. When you think about it Square Enix incompetence doesn't have any limits, the longest generation of consoles didn't see a new entry for their most successful series in the States, that's crazy. Kingdom Hearts (3.26M) comfortably outsold Final Fantasy X (2.46M).

Now I'm very curious about Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD. I'm sure the incoming Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII won't get close to any of these two remasters.

Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch has tripled its first month sales, the list of console jrpg's over 300,000 units must be very short. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2. I don't think I'm missing any other game, maybe Dragon's Dogma?

Tales of Xillia is about 5,000 units over Tales of Vesperia so it is already the second best selling entry in the series behind Tales of Symphonia with almost half a million units sold.

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Still quite close to the Xbone for all its supply constraint from launching in & supplying several other countries all the while. Would've expected the gap to be bigger considering, though I'm assuming that whole airlifted shipment thing probably closed the gap considerably.

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W101 came after the "big" drought and Rayman is a game that very well fits into the Wii U established audience. In February most Wii U owners should have been finished with NSMBU and be looking for more in this genre. Game & Wario is way overpriced and W101 is even more niche than Rayman, releasing at a time that was already way later than the February-launch that Rayman aimed for.

Its a possibility for that, yeah. I'm not sure if the total sales would have been that much higher though, because releasing it earlier on WiiU means that more people would have bought it there, leaving less sales for a later reelase of the PC, PS3, Vita and Xbox 360 versions (since many people had already played it on the WiiU in that case). Same reason why i dont expect the later PS4 and Xbox One versions to sell much, because many people have already played the game.

I don't have this issue with you, but it bothers me when people emphasize the "made-up" aspect of these numbers.

All the major gaming corporations take these numbers as fact. These are the exact numbers they use for determining corporate strategy. While they may technically be estimates, they're understood as an absolute truth.

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I don't have this issue with you, but it bothers me when people emphasize the "made-up" aspect of these numbers.

All the major gaming corporations take these numbers as fact. These are the exact numbers they use for determining corporate strategy. While they may technically be estimates, they're understood as an absolute truth.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

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Clearly PS4 did terrible in Dec. They only sold as many units as they sent to the US. That is unacceptable. In this day and age modern electronics should be capable of asexual reproduction and produce more units when it senses demand is greater than supply. Thus Sony has truly failed with the PS4.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

The gap is barely 40k in December, and this is with excessive supply from Microsoft and supply shortage from Sony. The $100 difference is large enough for most consumers that they would wait for availability rather than choose a not so perfect substitute.

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You don't get to those numbers without families, kids and casuals. The systems that did before like PS2, DS and Wii had those audiences in abundance. Even 360 made serious inroads there with Kinect and Netflix.

PS4 and XB1 have done a great job with core gamers but we'll have to see if they can reach beyond that to hit those sorts of numbers. Even 3DS is having trouble building userbase with these audiences and it's far better suited towards them than PS4 or XB1.

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A $100 price difference is more excusable by the general consumer in December because of gift-preference taking more importance than price at Christmas time. Past December, price is going to play a much larger factor. XB1's $100 premium cost is going to be an issue for it, until they can remove it somehow.

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Hehe =) Unfortunately Vita's fortune isnt going to change much in the west, that is true :\ It has the best chance in Japan when looking at all territories worldwide. In the rest of the world, it will just continue to sell these small numbers.

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You don't get to those numbers without families, kids and casuals. The systems that did before like PS2, DS and Wii had those audiences in abundance. Even 360 made serious inroads there with Kinect and Netflix.

PS4 and XB1 have done a great job with core gamers but we'll have to see if they can reach beyond that to hit those sorts of numbers. Even 3DS is having trouble building userbase with these audiences and it's far better suited towards them than PS4 or XB1.

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A $100 price difference is more excusable by the general consumer in December because of gift-preference taking more importance than price at Christmas time. Past December, price is going to play a much larger factor. XB1's $100 premium cost is going to be an issue for it, until they can remove it somehow.

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Clearly PS4 did terrible in Dec. They only sold as many units as they sent to the US. That is unacceptable. In this day and age modern electronics should be capable of asexual reproduction and produce more units when it senses demand is greater than supply. Thus Sony has truly failed with the PS4.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

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I find it hard to see where Microsoft will repeat the marketshare they enjoyed with the Xbox 360 inside the US plus I can see them doing worse outside of the US than the Xbox 360 by virtue of being the more expensive console plus way weaker brand appeal.

PS4's numbers is wholey dependant on whether the market hasn't shrank overall in the grand scheme of things, but again if sales are neck and neck in the US between PS4 and XB1 it's hard to see PS4 get that close to PS2, unless China starts buying consoles left right and centre.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

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I find it hard to see where Microsoft will repeat the marketshare they enjoyed with the Xbox 360 inside the US plus I can see them doing worse outside of the US than the Xbox 360 by virtue of being the more expensive console plus way weaker brand appeal.

PS4's numbers is wholey dependant on whether the market hasn't shrank overall in the grand scheme of things, but again if sales are neck and neck in the US between PS4 and XB1 it's hard to see PS4 get that close to PS2, unless China starts buying console left right and centre.

Could happen. We have no clue what the future brings. For all we know both sony and MS could go up in flames in the next two years, or could be doing extremely well. That is why I do not like people speaking about the future like they already know.

Yeah, but was more referencing just XB1. Not just that it'll lose to the $100 cheaper system, but that it probably won't be as close as it's been these two months, in general, once we get outside of the gift-giving season.

No. A closed box that's super cheap and with attractive games for the audience is in a better position then two other closed boxes at 3 to 4 times the cost and software that targets teenage males. Right now at least.

Exactly. That's how both PS2 and 360 did it, which is why I said we'll need to wait and see. It's going to take much lower prices and wider casting software to manage it though, we're looking at years down the line here.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

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You don't get to those numbers without families, kids and casuals. The systems that did before like PS2, DS and Wii had those audiences in abundance. Even 360 made serious inroads there with Kinect and Netflix.

PS4 and XB1 have done a great job with core gamers but we'll have to see if they can reach beyond that to hit those sorts of numbers. Even 3DS is having trouble building userbase with these audiences and it's far better suited towards them than PS4 or XB1.

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So much for the idea that Sony brought forward January stock for Dec. Unless Sony prioritises NA they will also lose Jan, Feb and March. And by that time the mindshare will quickly change in favor of Xbox1, which means it will positively effect UK sales.

The demand is clearly there for the PS4 but XB1 is fine alternative, if people can't get their PS4's then Sony is just pushing more and more gamers to Xbox. And in the most important market at that.

Do you seriously think people are that impatient? Again, allow me to point out the supply constraints Nintendo faced with the Wii and how it had no impact on their success with that system. Price-sensitive people aren't going to shell out an extra $100 for a weaker system just because the console they want is harder to find.

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Exactly. That's how both PS2 and 360 did it, which is why I said we'll need to wait and see. It's going to take much lower prices and wider casting software to manage it though, we're looking at years down the line here.