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Ya second that... I turned to buccal administration of mushrooms to avoid the sickness too and it worked well, back when I ate alot of mushrooms. I'd grind/tear them into small pieces/powder and then stuff it into my lip and cheek. You honestly don't taste it much at all, and as Rawbeer said regular cubes don't taste all that bad anyways. It's hard to put alot in, about a half eighth at most, but after about 45mins there won't be much left to the mushroom then you just swipe it out with your finger and wash your mouth out. Comes on smoother for sure with less nausea.

It's likely to be 4-acetoxy-n,n-dimethyltryptamine which was/is a widely available research chem and is an analogue of psilocybin. When consumed it hydrolyzes in the same manner to produce psilocin in the body. 4-acetoxy dmt and 4-phosphoryl dmt(psilocybin) are effectively indistinguishable from one another.

Its unlikely to be psilocybin, more likely to bee psilocin as it's easier to isolate from biological material. As previously stated in this thread, there are some chemists out there that do the oddball and rare things like this once or twice for kicks but the likeliness of this being the case (unless you know a chemist) is highly unlikely. Also unless they grew the shrooms themselves it's noway cost effective.

Your dealer is much more likely to be a less than honest entrepreneur than a chemist.

I like the idea of your guys' buccal technique will have to give it a try next time....

lolosolid, the reason no one synthesizes psilocybin pills is because growing mushrooms is much, much easier and cheaper and requires much less equipment. And as Ianzombie pointed out earlier people like to see what they're getting, and that's one of the wonderful things about mushrooms as well as cannabis - you can actually get a pretty good idea of the quality with a simple visual inspection.

Maybe some curious chemistry students do it. My guess is that psilocybin pills would cost so much more to make than just growing mushrooms, that no one would pay the prices needed for the manufacturer to make a decent profit. You would just be taking the long way around to get some psilocybin. Why bother when nature can do the heavy lifting?

I've heard of chemistry students manufacturing rare drugs for the thrill of it, and sometimes small amounts of them trickle onto the market. But again, we're talking shark attack, lightning strike odds compared to getting some misrepresented Research Chemical or analog.

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Synthesizing DMT from legal and cheap tryptamine is EXTREMELY EASY and cheap, probably easier than extracting it. I'd imagine synthesizing psilocin (4-OH-DMT) wouldn't be much harder. It'd be a lot quicker and possibly cheaper just to synthesize it.

I'd love to hear how synthesizing DMT from tryptamine is easier than extracting it... If it was that easy we'd have alot more DMT floating around I'm sure. I know it's an easy synth compared to some, but nothing beats a simple A/B plant extraction.

It's easy to look at a synthesis and go "oh ya tryptamine is easy to get, this shouldn't be too hard" but without any real chemistry knowledge I can promise that synth wouldn't work for you right away. Also Psilocin (4-HO-DMT, not OH) won't be nearly as easy just because it has one seemingly simple addition to it. This is the reason why synthesis theories can get annoying as well as synth talk where no one has any intention of actually pursuing. We can all sit and say how easy synthing this or that would be but when it comes time to actually do it, no one has the follow through. That's why the Hive was so great, they preferred action over words.

Tryptamine plus methyl idodide or some other methylating agent will make DMT. Check out Tihkal. A reflux condenser and magnetic stirrer would be a good investment. Maybe it's not as simple but it's still pretty easy. 4-AcO-DMT is a lot cheaper per dose than mushrooms on the buyer's end.

You can write it as OH or HO it doesn't matter it still means hydroxy. It's usually written as OH. EtOH, NaOH, etc.?

All you need to make mushrooms is a set of mason jars and an aquarium, and some cleaning products. ANYONE can grow mushrooms in their home, with perfectly safe chemicals (methyl iodide is toxic).

So I just dump some methyl iodide into some tryptamine and DMT/psilocin pops out? And if DMT is so easy to synthesize why is it that every "DMT lab" that gets busted consist of college kids and mimosa hostels extractions?

Maybe it would be cheaper but I doubt it's easier, or it would be more common. And as I said, with mushrooms people can see what they're getting. I'm not Jonny Capitalism or anything but market forces don't tend to favor more expensive, harder methods of production. I'm sure the reason that psilcybin mushrooms were so much easier to get than synthetic drugs prior to the Chinese laboratory-driven, mixed blessing Research Chemical revolution was pure economics. From a purely economic standpoint, as a product, it is the best psychedlic.

^ Hell no you cant just mix tryptamine and methyl iodide and have DMT that is safe for consumption. You need some other solvents, lab equipment, and a magentic stirrer hot plate. I said check out Tihkal - Tryptamines I Have Known and Loved by Alexander Shulgin.

The yield is kinda low, and yeah extraction is a lil easier. I just skimmed through it before, my bad.

I can't see why anyone would bother to make psilocybin pills, since the compound is already present in dried mushrooms at a pretty good concentration and they keep extremely well as long as they're in a dry environment. What's in it, for either the dealer or the user, to go to the bother of extracting the active compound - probably losing some of it along the way - in order to put it into a new form which is only going to be taken orally anyway?

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Nausea at high doses.

I've bought "liquid mushrooms" for that express purpose, avoiding nausea when taking something like eight grams with MDMA. Although if I recall those were lab tested by a few people, coming out as psilocybin extracted with ethanol. I took them with orange juice, taste was vile but I didn't have nausea.

My first thought was actually that it came from a lab running a study on psilocybin but as someone else mentioned the likelihood of an indistinguishable RC, I think that's more likely.

Sooner or later there'll be some (mushroom pills)confiscated by the powers that be.
Upon analysis they'll have a pretty good idea if it's synthetic, how it was synthesized.

Synthetic psilocin is rarely found in commerce.Surely there's some data somewhere of the
frequency it occurs on the black market.Likely,it's alpha-o would be what as a guess
or some other tryptamine in pill form is it's chemical identity.

^^^ Sandoz manufactured psilocybin pills along with their "delysid" LSD back in the 1960s. That's what Hoffman is describing. I doubt any of those still exist; if they do they would be priceless. They were apparently available on the black market into the 1970s.

As has been mentioned above, your odds of getting eaten by a shark are probably higher than buying actual psilocybin in pill form these days.

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It's still available just did some the other day 6-7 hr trip off 30mg it comes in powder and you make 30mg doses by wraping the dose in a piece of paper towel. But it is still available on the dark net

Helllooo fair readers of drug forum, I'm just curious about this "shroom" pill I've acquired through my travels. I truly understand that being it containing any actual psilocybin is probably unlikely, but the "Maker" insists that is what it is.

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That shroom pill is most likely a Research Chemical known as 4-aco-dmt, 30-50mg very intense euphoric high, I'm going for bout 80mg next trip I've done 60mg but it just doesn't get me where I need to be.

Haven't haad that breakthrough experience yet. I've thought of iving it but I don't know f I'm ready for that ride. But look it up it basically a chem that turns into pyslisibin. I've read where it's far to costly to do a pyslisibin natural extract and I take these bombs frequently good stuff and technically it's a legal rc been around for years.

Expect a 8-12 he ride have a tripsitter just in case cause it can be pretty intense even after peaking.