While looking for an article in the Post about a court case in Illinois, I came across this little nugget about an Abraham Lincoln Theme Park in his adopted home state, complete with a 305 foot tall (that's as tall as Miss Liberty, folks!) statue of the former President.

And here's the kicker...the "visionary" is from South Carolina.

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

I think people who know anything about Lincoln know he was born in Kentucky, but he made his home in Illinois and adopted it as his home state. By your line of thinking, my mother should say she's a Virginian (born in Alexandria), even though she spent most of her childhood in Germany and all but two years of her adult life in Pennsylvania.

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Well, Alexandria isn't really Virginia, anyway. Fairfax County, Arlington and Alexandria aren't really Virginia, even though they are technically so, they're a place called "Northern Virginia". The Virginia Welcome Center on I-66 isn't until you reach Prince William County (for those who don't live in DC, that's the third Virginia county on the hiway).

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

So I guess by that logic I can say that I'm a Californian, even though we moved when I was about 1 to Boston, then for 18 years I lived in Upstate NY... ok, I guess... & yeah, Northern VA is just DC suburbia pretty much, you have to go out past Centerville on 66 (I don't really know any of the other roads around here) to start feeling the South. Unfortunately, with no car, I've been unable to explore farther than that

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Well, Alexandria isn't really Virginia, anyway. Fairfax County, Arlington and Alexandria aren't really Virginia, even though they are technically so, they're a place called "Northern Virginia". The Virginia Welcome Center on I-66 isn't until you reach Prince William County

I wholeheartedly agree. The South no longer begins at the Mason-Dixon line. It doesn't even begin at the Potomac anymore. It begins at the James.

Although Joe is probably pitching a fit because Robert E. Lee's house was, of course, in Arlington.

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"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen

Ah irony of ironies, you can see the Lincoln Memorial from Gen. Lee's house. They are literally right across the bridge (I think it's Memorial Bridge) from each other.

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Actually, from time to time, if you hit the right pubs, you will hear/see the real natives of Fairfax, Arlington, etc. I actually live right next to a neighborhood that is still full of true southernors, who have the twang and the ya'll. They don't mix much in the Trader Joe's or Tysons Corner though. You find them in the little diners, mom & pop shops, and convinience stores. Everyone else is pretty much transplants (much like myself).

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Well, Alexandria isn't really Virginia, anyway. Fairfax County, Arlington and Alexandria aren't really Virginia, even though they are technically so, they're a place called "Northern Virginia". The Virginia Welcome Center on I-66 isn't until you reach Prince William County (for those who don't live in DC, that's the third Virginia county on the hiway).

Alright! them thar's fighten' words. Deo Vindice Resurgam!

Joe Zollars

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When I took my brother to see the monuments a few weeks ago, he didn't spit on the Lincoln, but he did go around saying in a very loud voice around the Washington Monument & Jefferson Memorial how it was all a temple for Masonic creeps... thank goodness it was night & raining out, and not many people around. Otherwise I'm sure we woulda gotten jumped.

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Oh, and then he was going on about something about FDR actually being pro-communist... the boy needs to learn some selfrestraint.

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

He is... unless the topic is his homework & if he did it... oh, and where the whiskey that was in the cabinet went... 16 year olds, & their quirks <<sigh>>Ok, anyway, off to vigil. Happy Vosniseniya everybody!

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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

Sure there is. Go to the Cemetary and you will see all the monuments his work deserves. :'(

Joe Zollars

I still like him. Thanks to him, the Gullah people have their islands (nice place to visit). Too bad they couldn't keep all the rice plantations he originally gave them. Not speaking about the average southerner, but the rich slave-holders have no moral authority to judge him.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

no they don't, but my people didn't own slaves etc. And lets face facts, the vast majority of people who suffered though his wrath were not slaveholders. Some were even slaves themselves.

I agree, he is the perfect yankee general. The Raping, pillaging and killing proove it. All at the order of Lincoln. Oh lets build a memorial to him because he freed the slaves. Mallosovich was tried for war crimes for the exact same thing.

Joe Zollars

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no they don't, but my people didn't own slaves etc. And lets face facts, the vast majority of people who suffered though his wrath were not slaveholders. Some were even slaves themselves.

I agree, he is the perfect yankee general. The Raping, pillaging and killing proove it. All at the order of Lincoln. Oh lets build a memorial to him because he freed the slaves. Mallosovich was tried for war crimes for the exact same thing.

Joe Zollars

Well Joe, you can't expect me to be a fan of the South. Not only am a partially of African descent, but I am also a proud Yankee who loves the Northeast. I am as proud of my ancestors who served in the Union Army and helped to crush the Confederates as I am proud of my Grandfathers who served in WWII and Korea, my relatives who served in 'Nam, and my relatives who are currently serving in Iraq. If I lived back then, I'd either have on a blue uniform, or be hanging alongside John Brown (another hero of mine). God bless America. May all her enemies, foreign or domestic, know defeat. As the national anthem says: "...And if conquer we must, when our cause it is just, let this be our motto, in God is our trust!".

BTW, I understand the points about the North being hypocritical b/c by and large, they were racist too. Anyone who believes in white supremacy is on my enemies list. But no hard feelings on my part. I realize you don't think this way, but the problem I have with most pro-Confederate people is that they are the same folks who were against civil rights. These kinds of racists become the poster-children associated with "Southern Pride" so they give the rest of y'all a bad name. But I don't lump you in with them. You are entitled to your regional pride, and I hope you feel that we Yankees are too.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

Well, I for one am proud to stand next to such greats as HK Edgerton. I also have stood next to my shair of African and Native American descdents at SCV and LoS meetings.

Something I have frequently seen at these meetings as well are signs that say "No Kluxors." The point is, the people you mention are by and large not real southrons but are either yankee wannabee transplants or descendents of carpet baggers or descendents of more recent immigrants. Such people by and large do not represent our feelings as a region or as a movement. I would also point out that such people are also hyped up quite a bit by the media. IF things were so bad in the south, than why do so many families of African descent continue to move to the south everyyear.

My big beef with the way the war turned out is this. We are no longer living in "The United States" but rather a new nation/empire that came into existance in 1865. Seriously a "State" is a sovreign nation by definition and may or may not be dependent upon another organization for defense etc. Prior to the war, when people talked of the US they said "They" now we say "it." if you created a poll here for us residents, how many would say that their national identity is American? (assuming they don't answer russian greek etc.) But from me and many in the southron movement you would get a different answer. My nation is not America. My nation is Arkansas and therefore I am proud to call myself an Arkansawyer and will do so until the day I die. In fact my will already reads I am to be buried in that sweet Arkansas soil or if that is not available buried at sea. Lord knows I don't want this body touching yankee soil, even in death.

"gotta burn my boots! They've touched yankee soil." Elmer Fudd

Joe Zollars

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I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Nektarios, how can you fail history?! (ah so I see you must have gone with the sock).

My senior year of HS, I got a C in physics--and that only after a final and 100 bucks (folks I'm not kidding). I had a solid D and wouldn't have failed, but I think my 3.78 GPA was worth every penny of that 100.

Joe Zollars

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My problem in history is that I haven't turned in a single bit of homework and we have had no tests. Normally I ace all the tests which makes up for me not doing the busy work stuff and my grade is a B or C which I am happy with. But this no test bussiness is slaughtering my GPA. I think I can talk my way into a D in physics thouh and will get an A on the final in history so maybe if I am lucky I can score a pair of Ds out of this....nice to set high goals.