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The dogs were more like a legendary equivalent to the original eeveelutions.

They actually were the original eeveelutions.
They were inside burned tower when it was struck by the lightning, it burned down and jolteon, flareon and vaporeon died. But then they were resurrected and took the form of Raikou, Entei and Suicune. Pretty sure they said something like that in Heartgold.

They actually were the original eeveelutions.
They were inside burned tower when it was struck by the lightning, it burned down and jolteon, flareon and vaporeon died. But then they were resurrected and took the form of Raikou, Entei and Suicune. Pretty sure they said something like that in Heartgold.

That's a fan theory. Nothing of the sort was stated in the games.

Originally Posted by leafme

will there be a Z legend?

Dunno. Will I be the next big female pop star?

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

They actually were the original eeveelutions.
They were inside burned tower when it was struck by the lightning, it burned down and jolteon, flareon and vaporeon died. But then they were resurrected and took the form of Raikou, Entei and Suicune. Pretty sure they said something like that in Heartgold.

Fan speculation.

How do people believe this stuff without actually seeing it inside their game is beyond me.

They actually were the original eeveelutions.
They were inside burned tower when it was struck by the lightning, it burned down and jolteon, flareon and vaporeon died. But then they were resurrected and took the form of Raikou, Entei and Suicune. Pretty sure they said something like that in Heartgold.

There are a lot of things that they have in common, like the Beasts' Hidden Abilities being the same as the Eeveelutions' normal ones, but we still can't confirm the fact, unless Game Freak states it or it is said in the game.

How do people believe this stuff without actually seeing it inside their game is beyond me.

The same way that Mew become a creator instead of a genetic ancestor, Giratina became Satan, and Arceus became the "God of All Pokémon."

People don't read.

Last edited by Endolise; 20th August 2013 at 7:45 PM.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

That really depends on your definition of a God.
It has little to no inspiration from any omnipotent Abrahamic God. Who is a creation deity, but also much more.
However it has gained ispiration from possibly both Indian and East Asian religions (which both have many Gods eachs).

>implying Arceus is God in front of Endolise
O ho ho ho...you are in for a show tonight

Originally Posted by Taodragon

It's based off of a creation deity, which creates the world but doesn't do much about it afterwards.

Anyway...

*hides in the bunker in fear of Endolise*

Originally Posted by Endless

That really depends on your definition of a God.
It has little to no inspiration from any omnipotent Abrahamic God. Who is a creation deity, but also much more.
However it has gained ispiration from possibly both Indian and East Asian religions (which both have many Gods eachs).

Honestly, I've been trying to mellow out about the whole thing lately, but Endless pretty much hit it right on the head. Arceus draws inspiration (although simply taking inspiration from something does not necessarily mean that the properties of the inspirational basis directly apply to what is being inspired) from old eastern creation myths (specifically, the myth of Pangu), not the omnipotent Judeo-Christian God (Judgment aside).

Frankly, what I've always been primarily opposed to is the claim that Arceus is the "God of All Pokémon," and the misconception that it literally created each and every single kind of Pokémon. Nothing like that has ever suggested of Arceus in any Pokémon medium. At most, it is said to be the creator of the Sinnoh (and Ransei) region(s)/Pokémon world/Pokémon universe, with "said to be" being the key words, and it only ever created the Lake and Dimensional trios. Furthermore, as Taodragon alluded to, Arceus has never been described as taking an active role in the cosmic order of the universe as the Abrahamic God does; it is merely said to have created whatever it created (region, planet, universe, pie, etc.; accounts differ within the games) before retiring to the Hall of Origin for the nap of the century.

And it has always been described as a Pokémon no matter what.

Seeing, however, as it can be construed as a deity according to certain definitions of the word, I argue less against that and more against the "God in a Poké Ball!" sorts.

Originally Posted by Iron_Evan

Does anyone have a solid theory about a third legendary related to Xerneas and Yveltal? I was thinking something along the lines of a chimera, if this generation's theme is genetics again, like Gen 1.

The most popular theory is that it will be a Poison/Dragon-type serpent based off of Nidhogg from Norse mythology, as it is commonly presumed that Xerneas and Yveltal are based off of, respectively, the four stags and the eagle from the Norse myth of Yggdrasil. Nidhogg is a dragon-like creature that is said to live at the bottom of the Yggdrasil tree, gnawing on its roots.

Last edited by Endolise; 21st August 2013 at 12:43 AM.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

The most popular theory is that it will be a Poison/Dragon-type serpent based off of Nidhogg from Norse mythology, as it is commonly presumed that Xerneas and Yveltal are based off of, respectively, the four stags and the eagle from the Norse myth of Yggdrasil. Nidhogg is a dragon-like creature that is said to live at the bottom of the Yggdrasil tree, gnawing on its roots.

I could see that... Which means Orotto is Yggdrasil? Probably not. I'm glad to see Norse mythology is getting some level of representation, if the theories are on track.

My friend and I actually came up with our own generation of Pokemon about 6 years back, somewhat rooted in it, with a Dark Fenrir based Poke, and a Grass Yggdrasil based guy. We didn't do too well with it. We made a gnat Pokemon named Gnuisance.

Everyone's wishing for the next fire starter to not be Fire-Fighting, and I'm just sitting here hoping for an Electric-Dark type. Or an awesome Steel type.

I could see that... Which means Orotto is Yggdrasil? Probably not. I'm glad to see Norse mythology is getting some level of representation, if the theories are on track.

My friend and I actually came up with our own generation of Pokemon about 6 years back, somewhat rooted in it, with a Dark Fenrir based Poke, and a Grass Yggdrasil based guy. We didn't do too well with it. We made a gnat Pokemon named Gnuisance.

Nice, I like it!

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I'm pretty sure that Arceus is worshipped as a deity in some places, or at least the Sinnoh dragon trio is. I can't remember if it was Cynthia in the games, anime or the 12th Movie though.

Yes, they're were revered as deities by ancient cultures, although Cynthia stated that this was simply the result of scientifically-unaware humans being awe-stricken by their powers, just like how ancient civilizations in our world ascribed mythical qualities to lightning and volcanoes because they did not understand the natural causes of those phenomena.

People in the current era of the Pokémon world still appear to respect the myths, although there is little direct reverence of Arceus and its accompanying Pokémon.

Originally Posted by Iron_Evan

I could see that... Which means Orotto is Yggdrasil? Probably not. I'm glad to see Norse mythology is getting some level of representation, if the theories are on track.

There could be a corresponding Pokémon that's based on Yggdrasil, although I would expect it to be a Legendary Pokémon, and if it were Orotto, I would think there would have been more fanfare surrounding its reveal. :P

Originally Posted by Iron_Evan

My friend and I actually came up with our own generation of Pokemon about 6 years back, somewhat rooted in it, with a Dark Fenrir based Poke, and a Grass Yggdrasil based guy. We didn't do too well with it. We made a gnat Pokemon named Gnuisance.

Gnuisance is a clever idea.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.