Here is the thing dude. I already know what you are going to do. So do you. Now the good news is, you will learn a FREAKING TON from this. Bad news is that you are not going to make it as a couple and you will feel that you wasted a good portion of your life.....Trust me on this. read this whole thing and you will know why I say this... And dont use this as motivation. I did when people said the same to me, but you can not control the other person.

On the other hand you can not experience the learning part yourself but take everyones word for it.

Think of it like this. You can see a piece of candy that looks good to eat, yet everyone says no do not do it, it fell in dog ****. But it looks clean and you really want that candy and it doesnt smell like dog****. So you either eat it and taste the fact that its dog ****, or you can take everyones word for it. On one hand you will learn it yourself and experience it which is much more powerful, but at the same time suffer through the bad part. Or you can learn that it is bad but not as much as if you ate it.

I was similiar to you. I am 25 my ex is 22. We were best friends since highschool. She dropped out of HS, was a model for Mac (make up company)...Could have gotten a great job paying 75k a year, but kept putting off the GED. For some reason or another there was always a reason or excuse. She even went in to take the test and the fire alarms went off and the building had to be evacuated. Some things are signs bro. watch out for them...I went to school and became a badass- but dont get paid like one...yet.....But essentially the same thing and scenario.....Long story short, we are not together have a 3 year old son....... I learned sooo much over those 4 years that when I think i wasted my life (which I did somewhat) its not bad because I learned so much....Having said that, I think I would have been a lot better off just listening to everyone who is older, mainly my parents...... She is now married again with another kid, still no ged and now she has no job..When we were together she bounced around jobs too. Luckily i was good with money and how to use it/spend it.....I am guarantee that she will be divorced again and homeless within 2 years, probably by this fall.

I can not tell you what it is, but somehow, even though they seem more mature than you...I know mine was.. They are not.22 year old girls are 22 year old girls. They dont understand life yet... I know that wont make sense, but it is sooo freaking true its retarded.

The part about risk and diving head first..I agree with, but your situation is not one of them... Move somewhere, if you want, not because of her, and dont give up a good job or anything else...Ask yourself this.. Where would she be right now if she was not with you? She is probably a great person, but that answer right there should tell you everything you need to know. THe answer is simple, she would be with another guy, latched to him- same situation... That situation will always follow her around no matter who she is with until she gets her **** in gear. Girls like that normally do not until they hit rock rock bottom. And she never will until you are out of the picture, and the cycle will always continue as is now until she hits rock bottom. Which once again will not occur until you are out of the picture.

I know that sounds rough and I am SURE she is a really really great sweet girl. But just because she makes you feel good about yourself does not justify anything else.

My advice after all that crap----Do what you want, as you know what you will. Just be prepared to learn and learn as much as you can. In the end you will be a good person and a better one. And dont get down on yourself if things dont work out how you want. They rarely do. But they do always work themselves out in the end.

Good luck.

Hmmm. Looks like that was pretty solid after all. Page 4.

So- is she with that other guy still or did she latch on to a new one? I bet a new one. Just like I said.

I missed this one for the first 11 pages. But at the age of 44 I've moved more times than anyone I've ever met. Long distance moves too. I've done it for work I've done it for what I thought was love. Couple thoughts:

I've had my share of women who seemed to not be able to get the right break work wise. This usually means they're not trying, and are looking ultimately to be taken care of, especially if they already have a kid.

Trying to get a job in another state is extremely difficult since the economy tanked. They won't even look at your résumé once they see its out of state; they do it want to cover any relo costs when they have literally thousands of candidates within a few miles. I've tried this one both ways and in good and bad job markets.

plus, he would be 25 and drunk and forget what he learned in the future.

I made good decisions at 25 and while there are some I would change in a heartbeat, I wouldn't want to take that chance and screw it all up. Live and learn. Only thing with the OP is he got some great advice and decided not to take it. I hope those, like Baja, realized how wrong they were when they first gave out their horrible experiences to screw this young lad up.

I moved out to California with a girl...she stopped paying rent because she got fired, then I found out she cheated on me with a neighbor. I called a moving company to pack everything I owned the next day (all the furniture, dishes, bed set, etc..) and drove home immediately. Didn't regret the move or the experience but at a certain point you have to know when to fold your hand.

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first person I called was my father when I found out...he said point blank what he would do...i followed suit and it was the best thing I ever did...no drama, no police, no fighting nothing....just a nice long cross country drive with my dog to mentally untangle myself...got home and was ready to rock 3 days laters

The thing that makes this story work so well is that there was no kid involved. So it was an easy and clean break. That's one reason why so many of us adviced the TheChamp24 not to knock this woman up. It makes for an extremely messy break up.

The thing that makes this story work so well is that there was no kid involved. So it was an easy and clean break. That's one reason why so many of us adviced the TheChamp24 not to knock this woman up. It makes for an extremely messy break up.

I don't feel like going back though this thread but didn't TheGimp24 admit that this child might not even be his? Then he refused a test to find out? Now he's saying "I have a beautiful kid, thanks to crazy woman, so it's all worth it." I'm calling BS.

I don't feel like going back though this thread but didn't TheGimp24 admit that this child might not even be his? Then he refused a test to find out? Now he's saying "I have a beautiful kid, thanks to crazy woman, so it's all worth it." I'm calling BS.

This guy is playing us, but it's funny nonetheless.

I'm on the fence on whether or not this story is true. I actually find it believable, but it is unbelievable that somebody would post it on the internet, and then continue to give updates. Each update makes the story even worse.

A number of us have been with crazy women who made fools out of us (not to the extent of what the OP says he went through). How many of us would give the details of how bad a woman did us?

I'm on the fence on whether or not this story is true. I actually find it believable, but it is unbelievable that somebody would post it on the internet, and then continue to give updates. Each update makes the story even worse.

A number of us have been with crazy women who made fools out of us (not to the extent of what the OP says he went through). How many of us would give the details of how bad a woman did us?

Its not that atypical. Putting it on the internet in this form compartmentalizes it and makes it a story that he can distance himself from. After going through that kind of thing, you need an outlet. While I, personally, wouldn't go this route, its still a relatively safe way of dealing with it.

You can walk up to the edge of the Grand Canyon but that doesn't mean you have to keep walking over the edge. Trusting the gut and taking a plunge into a new adventure isn't always a bad thing. You just have to not be so naive as to keep digging deeper when you realize that it wasn't the right decision.

All that said, it was definitely more fun when the pile on happened. I won't deny that, at all.

Its not that atypical. Putting it on the internet in this form compartmentalizes it and makes it a story that he can distance himself from. After going through that kind of thing, you need an outlet. While I, personally, wouldn't go this route, its still a relatively safe way of dealing with it.

I don't think it's even that complicated. I think it's just attention whoring. Remember how many times MightySmurf came on to tell us about the poon he almost got? He and the OP became instant OM memes and were community celebrities.

Actually, when I was starting on the custody case, my lawyer suggested a paternity test. Well, I looked into it, and they are, for the court acceptance, around $1,000-$1,500. I fully believe this is my daughter, I love her, she does have some resemblance to me. Is there a chance its not mine? Yes, there is a chance. But there is more evidence pointing to its mine, than not. And upon winning the custody case, one of the things that was established was me being the child's father. My name is on the birth certificate.

That makes me cringe. A test is about $400. I'm not sure what level of testing that the courts need, but you can find out one way or the other for much cheaper than $1,000.

I'm not sure if you're afraid of the answer, but it is something that you should know. If the child isn't yours, you can still raise the child and not tell anybody that you had the test done.

I don't think it's even that complicated. I think it's just attention whoring. Remember how many times MightySmurf came on to tell us about the poon he almost got? He and the OP became instant OM memes and were community celebrities.

Nothing to lose? Just one of so many ****ed up replies given to him. You are all co-dependent at fault. So much failure and even though I gave the correct advice, maybe a few pages too late (with Jason from LA). If you don't know Leykis, married to be or not, figure out some of the rules and then you can GTFO! Leykis 100 ... google it!

Leykis 101 could have saved this guy. But he probably would not have listened to that advice. Is Leykis ever going to get back on the air?

Tom Leykis, the shock jock sidelined for more than three years after his radio station dropped talk for pop music, is infamous for persuading women to lift their tops and for coaching men to spend as little money as possible on dates. Critics dubbed him a Neanderthal. Now he's being called a revolutionary.

Silenced by the changeover at KLSX-FM (97.1) in February 2009, Leykis has resurrected his show online with a shoestring operation that he believes can take on the radio conglomerates  the latest in a cadre of stars staking out new territory for themselves.

"My job here is not to serve the corporate master. I am the corporation here," Leykis said while giving his "mission statement" on a recent show. "I reserve the right to talk about anything I find interesting."'

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After three years off the radio, Leykis has resumed his weekday show on the Internet, once considered merely the realm of amateurs and vanity programs. Now he's streaming his show free on http://www.BlowMeUpTom.com, a reference to the tradition of fans' requests that Leykis end their calls with recorded explosions, among other sound effects. He broadcasts live weekdays from 3 to 6 p.m., sometimes 7, with continuous repeats until the following day's new show.

The Internet show began April 2, and at the end of its first week, 401,180 listeners had tuned in for at least five minutes. The first month, fans tuned in from 102 countries  England, El Salvador, Uganda, Australia, the Philippines and Mexico, among others.

"It's an example of how creative talent is adapting to a new reality," said Perry Michael Simon, news, talk and sports editor at the online radio-news journal AllAccess.com. "The number of outlets they've got on traditional media have shrunk. It's wise of anybody on the talent side to be entrepreneurial."

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Behind an anonymous storefront in Burbank, with printers and auto-repair shops for neighbors, Leykis broadcasts from a small studio, dark and spare, standing at a crescent-shaped desk and still wearing his trademark dark glasses in the dim lighting. His KLSX show also aired weekday afternoons, and many fans listened while driving home during rush hour  not sitting in front of a computer. Is he simply missing out on that whole swath of his audience?

During a break, Leykis holds up an Android smartphone he'd been twirling in his hand.

"This," he said, "is a radio."

A few finger swipes, and he's turned on an application streaming radio stations and programs from around the world, with presets for his favorites  like a car radio with a global reach. He presses an on-screen button, and the current episode of "The Tom Leykis Show" starts playing. Plug that into a dashboard, and it's as if he never left the airwaves.

"This is a cultural breakthrough," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine, the trade journal of the talk-radio industry. "You're on the same magic box that major corporations spend millions of dollars to broadcast through. That's a revolution."

And Simon noted that what listeners care about is the content coming out of their speakers, not whether it originated from a broadcast antenna on Mt. Wilson, a satellite overhead or a cellphone tower beaming an Internet stream.

"While the traditional media are shrinking, the opportunities to get your product out there have never been greater," Simon said.

In the short term, online audiences will run smaller than those for radio, he said, but in the long run "there's a much greater upside in terms of numbers."

Leykis is by no means the first radio refugee to take his program to the Internet. Almost immediately after their station switched formats in 2009, his former KLSX colleague Adam Carolla started offering a podcast that emulated his morning show. Among others, former Air America talk host Lionel and longtime Chicago radio personality Steve Dahl podcast regularly via their own websites.

With a podcast, listeners can go to a website or iTunes and download the latest show, then listen to it at their leisure. Likewise, the hosts can produce and post the shows whenever they want and aren't required to be in front of a microphone at a studio every weekday at 3 p.m. sharp.

Leykis' streaming model, on the other hand, better simulates the live radio experience for the audience, with the interaction of callers, host and subsequent callers reacting to earlier comments.

"He's basically offering a radio show without the antenna," Simon said. With podcasts, "there's a delay that takes the communal experience out of it."

Leykis' new show is much like his old one. He gives advice to mostly male callers  who refer to him as "dad"  on how to negotiate their world of conniving gold diggers, where nice guys finish last in the dating game. During his Thursday "Leykis 101" segments, the "professor" tells women "how men really think," and tells men how to get more women, without spending money on them. But he said part of his new autonomy is to explore other, non-relationship topics  whether mocking Mike Huckabee's radio show or riffing on the anachronism of the phone book or the barbarism of the Kelly Thomas beating in Fullerton.

"Frankly, I don't think the average listener wants me to talk about the same thing all of the time," he said on-air one day. "I refuse to be a cartoon character."

Simon said it's too soon to tell whether one method will eventually win out with listeners, streaming or podcasting. Leykis is hedging his bets and also ensuring income by offering premium subscriptions for $99.99 a year, which includes on-demand access to all previous shows.

He's also selling merchandise and advertising on the air and on the website and has a dedicated link toAmazon.com, through which he gets a cut of anything purchased. He owns outright the computers, sound boards and other scant equipment he needs and works with only three other people  executive producer Gary Zabransky, engineer Art Webb and screener Dean DeMilio, all of whom return from his KLSX show.

Leykis said he will have spent about $1 million to get the show up and running and expects to make a profit by the end of the first year  more than some of the nation's biggest broadcasters can say about their bottom lines. He doesn't have the expense of an FCC license, transmitters or antennas or any debt from buying new stations.

For example, Clear Channel, which operates the nation's largest radio chain with 850 stations, had a profit of $330 million on revenue of $1.3 billion in the first quarter of this year but is saddled with nearly $20 billion in debt from a leveraged buyout in 2008.

"Now you've got these companies that are so over-leveraged," Leykis said, "they have turned the radio business into a bunch of scrap metal and homogenized formats."

KLSX had been the longtime home of Howard Stern until the "King of All Media" bolted for Sirius satellite radio in January 2006. KLSX then struggled until February 2009, when parent company CBS Radio flipped the station to the Top 40 "Amp 97.1" format it still broadcasts, which led to an immediate ratings jump.

"I didn't know what I wanted to do next," Leykis said, and for the rest of 2009 he "went to veg" on his 20-acre ranch in northern Santa Barbara County. His CBS contract paid him for three more years, so "I always had the option of not coming back. I could have stopped."

"It became apparent that anyone with a laptop and a cheap microphone was doing a podcast," he said, but few had his experience or following. He saw a chance to circumvent the traditional business model and "create a radio station without a transmitter."

He spent the next six months studying digital content, streams and podcasts. "I wanted to be one of the first to claim some of that beachfront property."

He used an e-mail list of 10,000 culled from his former show and 35,000 followers on Facebook and Twitter to spread the word about his return.

"It feels fabulous. I haven't worked this hard in 20 years," he said, keeping his hand in every aspect of the do-it-yourself radio station  even standing in line at Burbank Water and Power with a deposit check, to get utilities turned on at the studio.

"I have no time to feel like a revolutionary," Leykis said, grinning. "Someone's got to go to Costco and get paper towels."