Still looks like rain

Sports writer Mic Huber and I worked together for 10 years at the Herald-Tribune here in Sarasota. Different shifts, different departments, which meant we didn’t see each other all that much. Small talk, mostly, much of it focused on the whereabouts of an elusive relentlessly self-deprecating mutual friend. We got a lot of mileage out of you, David, so thanks for that, wherever you are.

At his voluntary-buyout farewell office party early this year, Mic retraced the steps that led him to his long run in Sarasota. What made him appreciate Florida was his Air Force hitch in North Dakota. The winters were so grim he applied for a transfer to Vietnam during the height of the war. Uncle Sam sent him to Germany instead.

Anyhow, during his sayonara to the newsroom, Mic mentioned something about how he’d been on duty when he got sucked into a UFO incident, an experience that impressed him so deeply he saw fit to bring it up during impromptu remarks to colleagues nearly half a century later. But it was a small fleeting recollection and he didn’t linger there.

“You must be afraid, my son; that is how one becomes an honest citizen” — Sartre/CREDIT: Catholicmoxiewordpress.com

Mic still freelances, and a few months later I pulled him aside one afternoon and asked for more details. I couldn’t help but smile as he rattled off words like Minot Air Force Base, 1968, B-52, radar, radio interference, security breach, etc., etc. Mic isn’t a UFO geek, he doesn’t follow this stuff, so he was unaware of just how significant this incident was, in terms of evidence. At the end of his recollection, Mic repeated another phrase that actually made me laugh out loud because I’d heard it so many times before. He said he’d been debriefed by an Air Force colonel, his testimony had been tape-recorded, and that the officer left him on this note: “This didn’t happen.”

In fact, I’d just ordered a book called It Never Happened, written by a USAF veteran who’d been stationed at the same outpost, Minot, just two years earlier, 1966. Same general idea, though – unauthorized UFO activity over a Strategic Air Command base armed with nuclear missiles. No trifling matter.

I suggested Mic take a peek at the minotb52ufo.com website, an impressively detailed reconstruction of that sliver of history he’d been a party to in the wee hours of Oct. 24, 1968. Researcher Tom Tulien had constructed an underappreciated narrative packed with veteran eyewitness testimony, the Strategic Air Command’s own documents, and assessments from technical analysts. I thought maybe he could test his memory against the record.

Mic dropped in a few weeks later. He’d been to the site, and he was jazzed. The details – everything he remembered about what happened lined up. Everything. He was in air operations that night, he’d heard it all.

Mic’s job was to know the flight plans of everything in the immediate sky to make sure nobody bumped into each other; sometimes, civilian neighbors near the base made inquiries about other things they’d seen. “We did get some UFO reports, probably a lotta farmers who were drunk,” he conceded. “But this was completely different. It lasted such a long time, and I guess that’s what made it stick with me.”

Shortly after 2 a.m., maintenance and security teams outside the remotely spaced launch control facilities – each of which housed Minuteman nukes – began noticing at least one, maybe more, large bright glowing object in the sky. It or they changed colors, white to amber to green. It or they went high, dipped behind treelines, reversed course on a dime. Air traffic control alerted a B-52 returning from a training mission to a bright glowing bogey off its 1 o’clock position as it executed a 180-degree turn for its final approach.

The UFO wheeled with it and maintained its distance, at a rigid three miles. But as the bomber completed the turn, within a three-second sweep of the radar, the object pounced to within a mile. For the next 10 seconds, the plane’s two radios fuzzed out, even as an onboard camera took sequential photos of the radarscope recording the UFO when it changed positions.

Moments later, ATC diverted the plane to get a visual on a UFO reported on or near the ground. One pilot spotted it immediately, some 10 miles away and below, comparing it to “a miniature sun.” As they banked above it, another crew member described it as metallic, smooth, egg-shaped, a “dull reddish color like molten steel.” Once again, the ground briefly lost radio contact with the B-52, which landed at 4:40 a.m. But additional sightings trickled in for nearly an hour afterwards.

“I was on the phone with the guy who called it in from the missile site,” Mic recalled. He was monitoring comm chatter when the radios blinked out, and he remembers how the object looked on radar. “The return was more intense than a C-135 during refueling.” He saw the B-52 team when they returned – “they were visibly shaken” – and got a look at their subsequent illustrations of the object(s). After Mic’s shift ended, he was interrogated about what he’d heard and seen, this Thing That Never Happened. Obliged to say something, anything, official investigators concluded that Minot AFB personnel — these defenders of the world’s most destructive weapons — had simply been confused by Vega, Sirius, ball-lighting plasmas, a combination of all three, whatever.

Incidentally, This Never Happened involved an even spookier case. In 1966, writes (Ret.) Capt. David Schindele, launch operators lost control of as many as 10 nuclear-packed missiles when their power blinked off during apparent UFO surveillance. Which means Mic Huber has a lot of company. UFOS and Nukes author Robert Hastings has gotten more than 150 veterans to go on record about a phenomenon’s apparent fascination with our nuclear armaments. No telling how many more eyewitnesses who were told to shut up are out there.

But even if each and every one of these guys stepped up tomorrow to share what they knew, it wouldn’t make any difference. Events over the last year have only reinforced how deeply into denial and aggressive ignorance our culture has descended. In spite of that, amid turdstorms of truly fake news, some of the most diligent investigative political journalism I’ve ever read is unfolding right now, daily. Downright heroic, in some cases. And yet, American journalism is no match for The Great Taboo. Because most of the people who dare to own it tend to lack, umm, conventional pedigrees.

Wednesday, for instance, classic example: Former Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge sparked what will be, if traditional patterns hold, a quick-hit flurry of sensational headlines. The details are posted at https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ and — once again — are straight out of left field. DeLonge is the California punk-pop rocker whose self-parodying music videos — dancing around in brief undies, licking coin-operated viewfinders, bored on the commode, babes weeping with desire — were so convincing during the Blink days you just wanted to punch the smirk off his face.

And yet, as early as 2015, DeLonge was telling “Us” magazine he was in contact with heavy-hitting government types he hoped to coax out of the shadows to address the UFO conundrum head-on. It was easy enough to blow him off until, late in the 2016 campaign, WikiLeaks (or somebody) hacked the emails of Hillary Clinton’s campaign director John Podesta, which showed DeLonge was indeed in the loop with a couple of two-star USAF generals and an advanced projects director for Lockheed Martin. And even then, who knew, maybe they were just big fans of “Enema of the State” and “Take Off Your Pants and Jacket.”

Then came Wednesday. Lo and behold, there was DeLonge, introducing business partners in a half-hour video presentation designed to drum up crowd-sourcing to support something called To The Stars Academy. Its stated purpose was, with the UFO mystery at its core, to provide “gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world.” And whoa, get a load of their cred:

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; Senior Intelligence Service, CIA Directorate of Operations; Lockheed Martin “Skunk Works” Advanced Systems Director; director of scientific research programs for the Defense Department, the CIA and the DIA; a counterintelligence agent who ran an “aerospace threat identification program” out of the Pentagon. The jewel of this narrative was relayed by Chris Mellon, the former SecDef assistant. He discussed an hours-long incident in 2004 involving the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, F-18 jet fighters, a UFO that seemed “to defy the laws of physics,” and footage of the whole thing. Captured by gun cameras. Plus infrared images. Property of the U.S. government. Holy cow.

This could be huge. Just like Hillary Clinton’s UFO remarks last year on the campaign trail could’ve been huge. Just like the half-dozen USAF veterans who testified in 2010 at the National Press Club to UFO activity over American nuclear bases could’ve been huge. Just like the MUFON 2008 radar analysis of UFO and jet fighter activity that caught the Air Force in a lie could’ve been huge. Just like CIA image-doctor Chase Brandon’s revelations about finding Roswell ET documents in the Agency’s archives could’ve been huge.

But this stuff can only be huge if the press is interested enough to dig, to background these guys, to pursue every lead and put it out there. What we’ll probably get instead is a convulsion of wry headlines, some “the truth is out there/out of this world” segues, maybe even some cursory reporting, but it’ll all wander off soon enough. Whatever followups occur will be tepid and of little consequence, or at least without the persistence essential to stoking public interest. And without public interest, this ship doesn’t sail. Or at least not very far.

And that’s one of the reasons De Void has been dormant for so long. Ultimately, this space started sounding futile and whiney. The only reason for this posting is to send one more shoutout to all the Mic Hubers, to all you folks who saw and may still be seeing crazy airborne stuff snooping around the most dangerous weapons in the history of warfare. This is news. Just because the media doesn’t think so, that doesn’t mean you’re crazy.

Unfortunately, yes, you do live in a superpower nation that has degenerated into an absolutely certifiable full-tilt nuthouse. But it’s not your fault.

78 comments on “Still looks like rain”

After Leslie Kean’s N.Y.T. article:Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’:The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program, I had my hopes up again. However, Tom deLonghe is also saying that HE thinks that Roswell was a German operation, not an extraterretrial UFO. The disinformation is now leaking (pouring) into the historical past like Donald Trump’s deletion of language (words) at C.D.C. and E.P.A. . Rewrite history Tom, without any information about why you say the things you do, and the gullible will follow your “cookie” trail. As we know, the memory hole is getting bigger.
Hmmm. Looks Like More Rain To Me.

Perhaps this may be the time for the “real players” in this TTSA endeavor to take CEO Delonge to the side and diplomatically advise him to stay out of the limelight as much as possible.
You know that the MSM and science establishment will jump all over any ridiculous statements to undermine this effort.

DeLonge aside, the Pentagon UFO Project did get MSM coverage 9ABC News for one). I didn’t do an exhaustive study, but I was surprised to see it covered by the RT business and finance show BoomBust (which follows the Ed Schultz news show).

Why all the fuss about a USD 22 million project? It’s not even pocket change in the Pentagons 750+ billion budget (0.003%). Pork barrel for Bigelow?

Larry,
Yes, no doubt that deLonghe is being used as a set-up by his group of government contacts. It may be nothing more than to keep the misinformation and disinformation coming for the masses. It has nothing to do with Disclosure or disclosure. It needs to be a zero sum game for TPTB. It could be that in deLonghe’s Seret Machines (Vol. 1), the thesis is that ET is on Russia’s side. That would be good for the CIA and the deep state. It could also be for the purpose of preparing us for Project Bluebeam. Things are converging toward chaos and collapse, so maybe they are getting the Mellenials ready for the Big Lie. I, for one, am working toward my own “survival” plan. (D)disclosure is NOT going to happen, unless ET intervenes in WW III.

Hi Larry,
Of course, ET is disclosing themselves to whomever they want to see them. Only last night, I was walking the dog in the park and I looked up (somehow knowing I would see one) and there was a UFO moving over the golf course from north to south at a low rate of speed and a relatively low altitude. It was “powered up” and then “powered down” until it was invisible.
This IS the only disclosure that matters. For the record, I have personally worked with Edgar Mitchell for over a decade re:my multiple UFO sightings. Edgar said that for “some reason, they trusted me and wanted me to see them.” Unfortunately, I have no one of Edgar’s caliber to repport to, though the sightings remain unabated!

Yep/ She will, unless there is new information upcoming.
One other question I have is that the video appears as if the imaging and crew had locked onto the object… but resisted the impulse to fire….., but in the alternative scrambled jets to further investigate and pursue, although unsuccessfully. I am not familiar on military protocols- but if an unidentified aerial object with unknown intention is literally intruding in your airspace makes me question why the crew did not open fire since the bogey may have been hostile.

There’s nothing to indicate that the video is anything other than one plane looking up the tail pipe(s) of another. Nothing in the way of background scenery or relative movement (except the bit at the end which makes it seem unusual).

Anyone assessing UAP/possible aerial threats would need useful video i.e. video that contains useful data & information. L.E. would have to have seen stuff better than this to shape his opinion.

I agree with freeman. We’re not a war zone. If the military has been dealing with UFOs for decades, they probably know it’s not necessary or even possible to shoot them down. If it’s not a ‘real’ UFO, then it might be more dangerous to fire on.

@Albert
IOW Are you inferring that the military may recognise an aerial phenomena that isn’t “ours” and may have unofficial orders to resist engagement…… if the phenomena is not recognizable as a conventional aircraft ??

Absolutely. Though I think most UFOs are robotic, you don’t want to piss off the pilots in a ‘manned’ UFO; they might shoot you down:) And add insult to injury by making it look like an accident. ‘Pilot error’, as they say.
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Re: Tom D.. I don’t know what will happen, but the MSM can deal with these issues by simply ignoring them. It works in the political sphere. Ignorance is bliss. There should be a lot more happy people around than I’ve been seeing.

The Tom DeLonghe initiative appears to be more disinformation. He states that because “…Edgar Mitchell was sharing the truth of extraterrestrials to the mellenials,…” it is important to make our voice heard. Hmmm? Edgar had been dead about 1 1/2 years at the time of their announcement. Hal Putoff and Edgar were supposedly close confidantes (at least going back to 1972 and the Geller experiments vis a vis Project Stargate remote viewing). Jim Semivan has been handling Chris Bledsoe over the past few years. So what gives? I would say disinformation the likes the UFO (not UAP Leslie, Col. Alexander) community has never seen. Put on your tinfoil hats, as even Bob Bigelow wants no part of Delonghes’s disinformation. Chris Mellon, of the Gulf Oil Co., is hardly for disclosure as he has too much stock dividends, etc., to lose. It smells like the Rockefeller Initiative to me. Puke!

I’m not sure it’s possible to divide the UFO community into white hats and black hats. Intent and ability make for a complex situation.
The latest Shattered Reality podcast includes a short discussion at the end, about Hal Puthoff’s involvement in TTSA. But I think more transparency and openness is needed from T.D. to counter the hype that he is singularly responsible for.

When T.D. first started talking about his inside connections, I thought it more likely he was being led a merry dance, but now I’m not sure if his agenda is a profit-making company with a sideline of UAP research, or UAP research funded by an entertainment subsidiary. Either way, the situation has been made far more complex through the creation of a company in which some of the primary players have a financial stake.

And how will L.E. fit in? He won’t be able to replicate the manpower, radar coverage (ground & air), airborne assets or other surveillance technologies in use by the military. We still don’t know how his department functioned, or how large it was.
Keyhoe’s books show how difficult it was to pry information from governments and the military even when an individual is an ex-insider with contacts. The concept of an information portal to the DoD seems like a pipe dream, especially in our current age where an independent airport operator (Aguadilla) wouldn’t provide information on an incident, and Air Combat Command stopped FOIA access to RADES radar data.

I’m guessing you found the live ATC recording site via Larry’s link to the Oregon incident 🙂
Flightradar24 is okay, but only works for the new type of ‘transponder’. No primary radar at all. It has more in common with tracking your children via their phones, than real radar.

No, just a regular search (NOT Google, DuckDuckGo; Startpage is good as well). As with Flightradar24, there a plenty of sites for ATC. FR24 is good for tracking your family on trips, but here’s the thing, ATC traffic might possibly let you hear pilots talking about them.

Does anyone have further information on this?

Side Notes: One of my sisters listens to police radio chatter while doing her chores. To each his(or her) own:)

SDR (Software Defined Radio) is big right now. You can buy modules that act as front end for other devices. Security researchers use them for cell phone data collection, or any application that requires RF connections. Obviously, there are nefarious uses as well. See Wiki for details. Prices vary, from over 1000USD[commercial product development) to 23USD!(hobby version) See https://www.adafruit.com/product/1497

Bob, I’ve been a dues paying member of The Institute of Noetic Sciences for years and I can assure you that Edgar Mitchell and Hal Puthoff were very close confidantes. The Institute provided some of the funding for remote viewing at SRI.

At this point I’m convinced that DeLonge is a high profile useful idiot for disinformation.

Never mind all this online chatter!!!
Where is…… or when will the 2004 Nimitz tic ‘tac UFO video be released to all “Monday Morning quarterbacks” so “we” can judge for ourselves its authenticity and significance to mankind?

Yeh, I googled the incident a few weeks ago and previously viewed the same video you provided in the link on this blog
Sorta of begs the question: If the video is already out there for public review on youtube, etc……. what is the video the TTS group continues to hold in abeyance, pending final determination if the same is appropriate for release , as promised by the Delonge group in…… due time?

Joe, I’m working on that, but the last thing I want is for Tom and his new cohorts to find out.

Speaking of which, I read that they have now raised around $2 million and I have no idea what they’re going to do with the money. But I’m sure they’ll think of something that will make that $2 mil disappear faster than poop through a Goose. So the fund raising will continue indefinitely.

If you’re gonna do video, get a tripod. Even a monopod(you can walk with a monopod fully extended) is better than nothing. If you use an iPhone, get the Theodolite app. It’ll record azimuth, elevation, speed, and distance. Getting another person to run Theodolite with you will give more precision. IIRC, there can be 4 persons on a team. Since team members need to be separated for best results, a 2-person team might be better off with one shooting HD video (with optical zoom) and the other handling the Theodolite.

No matter what your equipment, try to practice getting into ‘record mode’ as quickly as possible. Take into account that you may need to shoot directly overhead. UFOs won’t wait for you to fumble around:)

Tom DeLonge’s approach seems to have included something to annoy everyone. But on the plus side he’s brought new people onto the stage, literally.
However, some of us are left to wonder: Do any of these ex-insiders know of empirical evidence of something possibly ET-related, or are they like us ‘outsiders’, simply pursuing the best evidence?
Then there’s the whole share offering affair, in a company with a loss making subsidiary – as far from a self-funding entity as it’s possible to get. And a business plan that is apparently directing new capital away from profit maximization. Is there really a mass market for the products of Tom’s imagination?
3 weeks into the offering and Tom may have caused himself more problems by appearing on Joe Rogan; a gamble that seems to have resulted in a temporary funding boost.
When we’re teased with tales of insider knowledge, we don’t want a rock star’s interpretation of historical events. In an appeal to Tom: Just give us the facts (please).

Still am anticipating the gun boat video release………..that is if the producer did not violate an anti-disclosure pact.
Will it be ammunition for the debunkers as another ambiguous display of a helicopter with a tick tack shape design on the undersurface. or will it be a clear delineation of an intelligent design that clearly depicts that it. “Ain’t ours”??

There are some practical hurdles that probably need to be overcome:
Is it likely TTSA can negotiate an information ‘portal’ with the DoD, independent of the FOIA framework? What sort of declassification process(es) would be involved? How much useable data can we expect at the end of such processes?
Is some of the information alluded to already in the public domain or not?
Will we know the original source of the data/information (the UK’s MoD had a lot of rubbish amongst it’s ‘UFO’ files)?

I wake up early Halloween morning and for some reason I decide to see if Devoid has written anything lately on UFOs and, “voila”! This makes my day and I’m ready to hand out extra candy tonight. Seriously, Billy, I admire your ability to write on this topic more than any other author or writer. You just have the knack of how to capture in a few succinct words those little absurdities that exist in our society and in our psyche. Thank you, thank you, and God Bless You Billy!!

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We don’t have the pudding yet. Not even aromas wafting from the kitchen.”

The core problem I had and still have with this right from the beginning is the bait and switch aspect of this surrounding …drum roll please….MONEY.

First Go Fund Me and later you’ll see what we’ve REALLY got to show you. I don’t really think DeLonge is doing for this to personally enrich himself. But the whole Go Fund Me aspect says he’s not willing to spend any more of his own millions. (And trust me, he’s got millions).

So the money = “yer meat”, albert.

“Wrong, do it again!”
“If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding
How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”

– Pink Floyd “The Wall”

Meanwhile we’re still “behind the bike sheds”, with Brother Billy, and we ain’t gettin’ any pudding.

I think we can agree that after wding through all the hoopla… the one outstanding revelation from De Longe’s presentation is the admission by this Elizondo dude that despite the final public conclusions of Blue Book the US gov’t – or a black budget segment of it – did not terminate UFO investigations.
“UFOs are real,” he said. That’s big (for the US, anyway) and may have moved the ball down the field a few yards. Small steps forward are better than none.
Note that the MSM have completely ignored (or suppressed) that guy’s revelation.

I think most objective and astute followers on this topic simply knew that the U.S.never suspended or dropped investigations into the subject. Elizondo’s “official” confirmation will mean nothing to the naysayers, who will immediately go into defense and debunk mode, if the gunboat video is eventually released for public review…..and the media, if cognizant, will immediately seek out Oberg and Shostock,fully anticipating their carefully scripted responses.,to once again put the subject to rest.

Yeah, joe. You’re correct about “astute followers” knowing that the ‘gummint never dropped UFO investigations, but kept them as a top-secret S.A.P.
But the general public, and most branches of the MSM, do not.
According to Leslie Kean…Elizondo’s decades long top-tier national security service checks out.
It will be interesting to see what kind of argument Oberg and Shostak will muster (if they try) to debunk his revelation.
Don’t be so negative, man. Despite the efforts of the secretive, authoritarian Old Guard, the tide of evolution tends to revelation. Sooner or later “truth will out” as the Bard so astutely put it.
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I will admit that “UFOs are real” is a nuanced, rather amorphous statement. Of course they are. They are seen every day. Obviously it would’ve been better had he said something like “we know these objects demonstrate technological capabilities unknown to our science.” The fact that he didn’t might give the naysayers a ‘window of opportunity’ to attack…but it will be a stretch.

Very good and IMO another ” astute observation”
Can’t help with the negativity as evidenced by the very writer of this blog who has seen it all and no longer holds his breath…. with no expectation in an “official/unofficial”disclosure in this point in time.

As I commented on another blog, DeLonge is all hat and no cattle. I make no predictions on the eventual outcome of his endeavor. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We don’t have the pudding yet. Not even aromas wafting from the kitchen.

BTW, I -finally- saw Hastings film. Very well done. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the UFO phenomenon. You don’t have to be an expert to understand it. I’ll be recommending it to friends and family. (it’s free on Amazon Prime)

Greetings albert. Long time no read. I’m pleased you finally got round to viewing UFOs & NUKES. I’ve been trying to get across to people for a long time that of all the UFO investigators out there Hastings is the one whose body of evidence clearly points to an intelligent ‘pattern language’ of UFO activity associated with a specific modern technology: nuclear fission, in all its manifestations. That indicates meaning and purpose.
Frankly, I’ve been shocked by the measly number of other UFO researchers and reporters who claim to cover the phenomenon who have written about this documentary. If they are truly keen on getting mainstream culture to believe the phenomenon is real, I think they should be talking up and writing up this film big time.
The fact that they are not sometimes leads me to agree with certain critics that one of the major impediments to further progress in the field is all the competitive egos protecting their little niches.
Petty and shameful.

nurtz….too bad. In truth they’re a bit “soft” (for lack of a better term) but every one I’ve watched so far has told a new (to me) anecdote. I also like the way they incorporate indigenous traditional knowledge in discussing the larger questions. I’ll try contacting the producer to see if there’s a way for those outside Canada to view them, will report back.

Joe, let’s be crystal clear about this fact. Purrlie, formerly known as “Purrl Gurrl”, is not a “genuine skeptic”. She is just another run of the mill pseudo-skeptic, anomalphobic, denialist, spawned out of the James Randi circle jerk community.

Just to make that even worse, she’s not even good at being a pseudo-skeptic.

Perfect example: She refers to TD as “a former cult rock star”. So she can’t even get her kill the messenger personal attacks right. As both DeLonge and Blink 182 were not, and are not, “cult” rock stars. I am no fan of Blink 182’s music. But I can assure you that “cult” rock bands do not sell anywhere close to 13 million albums in the US and over 50 million record albums worldwide.

Do yourself and the rest of us here a favor, and just ignore her, Joe.

Out of danger and back aboard the carousel…where the seasons they go round and round and the painted ponies go up and down.
You know…the cynicism & plaints of Purrlie-purrlgurrl-purrljam-whatever…resemble the anger of former devotees furious that the guru in whom they placed so much trust didn’t deliver the answers, the meaning, the enlightenment they long for.

It’s impossible to take DeLonge and his former government middle management crew at all seriously. No wonder he was ignored by the media, including the entertainment media (even though entertainment is purportedly one major focus of the new venture). And therein lies the rub, an entertainment arm? How much serious research is ever going to come from a former cult rock star publishing books on “Sekret Machines” (didn’t he stay in elementary school long enough to learn how to spell “secret”?). And DeLonge is guaranteeing himself a $100K a year salary. So until the entertainment thing blasts off and generates Spielberg money, he’ll be taking that salary from his crowd sourced funding. Yep folks, Ufology gains another sleazeball.

I’m not interested enough to follow DeLonge’s activities in the future. Wake me up if anything of substance ever comes from him and his crew, otherwise, I’m going back to sleep.

“I’m not interested enough to follow DeLonge’s activities in the future. Wake me up if anything of substance ever comes from him and his crew, otherwise, I’m going back to sleep.”

You, like me, have already reviewed some of the snarky blogs on this which are available online.
What I don’t understand at this point is why would the names and the former positions of the participants in this venture commit and be on board, when there are probably more lucrative opportunities for them in their respective professions… unless there is more than meets the eye.
I would hope that the so-called video, taken from the gunboat will not be simply of the 2 radar images, but I am uncertain on how the release to the public was obtained and authorized.
I hear you on the financial information that you learned ,,, and understand where you are coming from the financial observations

For a genuine skeptic, you sure knew about this since you wont find it in the MSM, and appear interested enough to follow this and respond here..,,,, Very interesting!

If any of this comes to fruition, you will probably need an alarm clock…. because I have no intention of waking or alerting you, since you seem well versed on this to follow along on your own.

It’s all over the UFO blogs, and nobody seems very impressed except for a few hard-core MUFONs. But after the Ventre debacle many of MUFON’s more credible and ethical members have quit so I don’t take any MUFON endorsement seriously. Some bloggers examined DeLonge’s proposal and have found it financially questionable (go search for Jason Colavito’s assessment).

As for Leslie Kean, she’s put out a book on NDEs and life after death because that’s the new darling of paranormal topics (UFOs have bee rapidly losing their cache among people interested in anomalist and paranormal subjects). She’s astute enough to see a dwindling revenue stream coming from UFOs so she’s put an iron in a different fire. And good for her.

You don’t need to be tasked with waking me up because nothing is ever going to come from DeLonge – just some third-rate science fiction novels and a few over-priced conferences where nothing new will be presented and the same line-up of presenters that have been on the bill at almost every UFO conference for the last 15 years will be trotted out again.

There are UFOs and then there is Ufology (who’s sole purpose is to separate you from your money). DeLonge and crew are Ufology.

It’s difficult not to be cynical, even for ufologists. One crazy thing about ufology is that even if nothing in the past turned out to support the ETH, a single incident in the future could make it a new truth. And one day we might be that new truth to another cynical civilization.

Seems interesting that you responded back within hours after my reply on a site and subject that you do not hold in high regard
What is your interest in this topic….. since your POV’s are colored with negativity and disdain?
BTW-I Googled the subject and came across the Colavito blog.

@Larry
Ya know, I forgot to include in my comment was the fact that several in the FB crowd feel the same way as do the participants here. To wit:you would think that the “insiders”would have signed non disclosure agreements which would subject them to arrest and immediate incarceration for hinting at broadcasting possible intelligence, by violating possible measures of national security, especially after their severance from the intelligenza.
I perceived that Kean was unprepared for this line of question from the FB users …… but recovered quickly.
I just don’t see Kean risking her credibility on publishing the material to date w/o the careful thought that goes into the majority of her writing. BTW- this was published by the Huffington Post,which (I think) is another form of slanted tabloid variety news…..yeh, I know……off topic.

I expect B.Pilgrim’s doubts are shared by many, as the history of ufology contains a number of examples of apparent disinformation from ‘government’ sources.
On the other hand, Dr Maccabee’s UFO/CIA/FBI Connection is well worth reading for an overview of ‘agency’ involvement. The government is full of ordinary people just doing their job – and worried about losing it.

Some of these insiders, like Chris Mellon, are aware of potentially useful information e.g. in the form of NORAD radar data, but don’t have ‘answers’ as such.
While I would hope that this group can provide something substantial, it seems likey that T.D. is leveraging their previous positions to promote TTS. The worst case scenario would be that TTS takes a few years to fund and make a SciFi film based on T.D.’s interpretation of the ‘Phenomenon’, with no useful information coming to light.

It would be far more honest to step up and tell all, like Robert Hastings’ witnesses did. But I’m guessing that doesn’t fit in with the TTS business model.

The MSM still hasn’t picked up on TTS, except for one dodgy UK tabloid (judging by a Google search). Less exposure means less funding. Speaking as someone who has dug into his pocket previously, I’m not inclined to do it if I feel I’m being used or manipulated.

I spent a good number of hours last night on the Leslie Kean FB page, as she has interacted in the past 4 days with the readers who were either downright skeptical or eager to follow this with considerable enthusiasm. Leslie Kean described herself in her 2010 book as a “cautious” skeptic who deliberately assess witnesses and their credibility along with doing a thorough background investigation…. and judging each on what they bring to the table. She is one of a few veritable investigative journalists left in the media. Her responses to her readers yesterday indicate that she is “all in” on this venture and promises that information will be forthcoming when the “time is right”.I just don’t envision Kean proceeding at full forward speed unless there is considerably more in this development.

@Billy, and all,
– I think it’s prudent to be suspicious that suddenly a gaggle of former top tier military-intelligence- defense contractor lifers would suddenly be publicly hopping aboard the DeLonge “transition” train. One point that ought to be emphasized is : these individuals have been guarding secrets and basically telling lies to the public for decades…how do we mark the day when they started telling the truth?
– The traditional press is struggling to keep its head afloat in an economic whirlpool sucking it to the mucky bottom. As with so many other institutions in crisis today they think resorting to the methods of the past – sensationalism, celebrity scandal, rumors of war, natural disasters, titillation, etc. – will revive (or at least maintain) the industry. Not gonna happen…until some sharpened pencils realize that every day more and more people worldwide are looking for signs and a vision that a completely new way of living is possible…rather than a cacophony of stories showing complacency with the status quo, or the current order collapsing.
– I wouldn’t be surprised to learn a large number of UFO enthusiasts have temporarily shifted their focus from that subject to the elementals of mere survival given the disasters of economic dislocation and the weather catastrophes (wind, water & fire) that have besieged the land.
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– Speaking of which…I live in Northern California and am now threatened by the Fiend Fires that are consuming this region.
Your prayerful thoughts and well wishes will be more powerful than you imagine.

Thank you… one and all… for the safety wishes. My home is currently not in immediate danger, for the winds were favorable today. But we’re still maintaining “Red Alert.”
The devastation several miles away – in all directions – is beyond shocking. What were once densely housed neighborhoods and subdivisions now look like the surface of Mars.
I’ve grown quite weary of hearing so many public officials warning: “We’re not out of the woods yet.”
Dudes! Choose a different metaphor. I LIVE in the woods.
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Again, many thanks.

Playing Devils Advocate, without getting into a lot of Tom Delonge bashing.

Q: Why would a guy like Delonge be allowed to act as a front man with this much access to men with those type of credentials in such a relatively short period of time when many people with much more gravitas and just as much celebrity status have been stifled for years?

Possible answers:

A) From a strategic geopolitical perspective it sets up a warning to nuclear players like North Korea and Iran (and others) that the US already has access to technologies (courtesy of ET’s) that would render their weapons useless if they attempted to use them in an act of war.

B) The TTS Academy provides a perfect platform for introducing incredible new technologies to the general public that have in reality been in the possession of the US government for years without divulging to the general public that the US government has been in possession of these technologies for years.

C) Delonge is being used to speed up the gradual disclosure strategy, and because he’s young enough to encompass both Gen X’ers and Millenials due to his celebrity the deep statists like that forward looking demographic audience. (Let’s face it, the Baby Boomers are dying off and too old for them to care about, if their real end game has a 10-20 year runway).

D) If this goes badly, Delonge makes for an easy fall guy that can easily be discredited.

I know this sounds very jaded. But this does not fully pass the smell test.

Whatever the sources of information that lead to new technologies, there’s usually some form of evolution and dependence on other technologies – so I can’t see TTS patenting a star drive or similar, on its own.
Given T,D.’s comments on what’s behind the UAP, I find it interesting that these individuals have found common ground with him, to be part of TTS.
As yet, we haven’t seen any new information (given the Nimitz story was out there already).
I’m still in the wait-and-see phase.

Anyone of your 4 points of conjecture may be true or (perhaps) even all of them
You are absolute correct in being guarded and skeptical.
The other so called video that is “allegedly”in the possession of Dan Akroyd would be another game changer, despite the his (rumored) visit from the MIB.

I can understand DeLonge’s approach, in wanting to raise funds for a multi-pronged approach; as it seems the only way forward. But how many of us just want those guys to go on the record with what they know?
Will someone interview Luis Elizondo and find out what he thinks, why he thinks it, how his department received information and from where? Did he receive information about the Nimitz incident i.e. as part of his job, or Aguadilla? Was he in receipt of empirical data in order to quantify potential threats, or just anecdotal evidence? Was he aware of data and information flowing anywhere else? Did John Alexander know this department existed when he was looking for a control group (perhaps it didn’t exist at the time)?

Take away TTS and Luis Elizondo still represents a major source of new information. (I wonder if the UK has an equivalent, and if so then why wasn’t the St Athan police/infrared sighting investigated?)
The guy must be able to say something without violating any secrecy rules.

I dunno what it all means. But I’d say Chris Mellon definitely owes us all a look at those Nimitz/UFO images. You don’t make a statement like that and then just drop it. Not if you wanna maintain your credibility and get people to drop $$$ on this project. The ball’s in his court now and there’s only one way to play it.

And I navigated here by chance b/c I forgot all about keeping up to date with the “Robert Barrow blog, which includes a link to here. Go figure
I distrust the MSM …..period and it find it difficult to filter genuine news from fake news
Most reporting now is done by kids who follow the agenda put out by their publishers, unlike even 10 years ago when news was disseminated w/o bias.. at least so I thought
The taboo is more entrenched than ever unless there is a means to present a smoking gun minus the anticipated chuckles and the reflexive responses by Jim Oberg and Seth.
I periodically review the UFO hall of fame/shame to get a perspective on who is doing a service to the subject as opposed to the charlatans who number many

As a layperson ,with minimal science background, and from reading the recent Leslie Kean FB updates, I can only draw a conclusion that this new group of professionals with impressive credentials from a variety of disciplines, who predict that we can accomplish this, means that perhaps they have already gained access to, as they frame it, “exotic technologies” No one to date comes out and states the ETH, probably for the reason that it would drive away the media.Only that the phenomena is real and truly worthy of scientific investigation. I think about Michio Kaku and Peter Sturrick (if still alive)
Keep hoping for something more to vindicate/validate lifelong advocates like Dolan, Friedman, and Vallee (though Vallee viewed this more as a paranormal/mischievous chicanery)
Until more crops up, including the release of the 2004 video, you damn well know that the mainstream government will attempt to discredit the stand up participants coming forward along with a complicit MSM in tow.