Its relevant in that it is the exact same thing you said in your last post. Iommi was the only constant in Black Sabbath, so does everything after Geezer leaves make Sabbath no longer Sabbath? Santana is the band; it just so happens to have the namesake of the band's founder. Plenty of other bands have come down to a single original member, does that make them completely different acts?

One last word. Echoes, I am not at all trying to dismiss Santana's importance on the evolution of rock music, and I really think you should have understood that by now. Santana do not qualify for the list since they were formed in San Francisco which has been part of the USA for quite a while now. It's as simple as that. Unless you provide further arguments that differ from what has already been said, I will ignore your posts.

Concerning the other Rock en Español artists you mentioned: I invited you to compare these artists with the artists currently on the list using the criteria to support your opinion. Unless you prove yourself to be able to do that, I will definitely not trust you with the Latin American bands.

Its relevant in that it is the exact same thing you said in your last post. Iommi was the only constant in Black Sabbath, so does everything after Geezer leaves make Sabbath no longer Sabbath? Santana is the band; it just so happens to have the namesake of the band's founder. Plenty of other bands have come down to a single original member, does that make them completely different acts?

Look, Santana classic line up where peers, that is a band, everything was divided equally between them.

After the original members left, Santana has been Carlos Santana + paid musicians. That is not a band.

Its relevant in that it is the exact same thing you said in your last post. Iommi was the only constant in Black Sabbath, so does everything after Geezer leaves make Sabbath no longer Sabbath? Santana is the band; it just so happens to have the namesake of the band's founder. Plenty of other bands have come down to a single original member, does that make them completely different acts?

Look, Santana classic line up where peers, that is a band, everything was divided equally between them.

After the original members left, Santana has been Carlos Santana + paid musicians. That is not a band.

One thing I can tell you right away: I am not going to divide the band Santana into two different artists. Either everything counts for a single entry under Carlos Santana, which would put him into the Top 10 quite comfortably, or only his actual solo recordings count, which wouldn't be enough to get him onto the list at all.

Reason for not using the usual criteria: Personally I always thought that the criteria, that are currently used for most of the lists, are flawed. The reason for that is, that two parts of the criteria, musical impact and influence, both reflect the view of other musicians on an artist. As a result any artist with a high influence will automatically score highly in terms of musical impact as well, since all musical impact means is acclaim from other musicians and any influential artist obviously has that.

The way it's supposed to work, though it probably doesn't always, is that musical impact is immediate and short term, while influence is long term.

Reason for not using the usual criteria: Personally I always thought that the criteria, that are currently used for most of the lists, are flawed. The reason for that is, that two parts of the criteria, musical impact and influence, both reflect the view of other musicians on an artist. As a result any artist with a high influence will automatically score highly in terms of musical impact as well, since all musical impact means is acclaim from other musicians and any influential artist obviously has that.

The way it's supposed to work, though it probably doesn't always, is that musical impact is immediate and short term, while influence is long term.

I think I never really understood the "musical impact" part. So do I understand correctly that "musical impact" is the acclaim of an artist's work relatively short after the time of its release as judged by other musicians?

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