Teachers Teaching Teachers #47 - Telling Stories with Technology

The concept of digital storytelling has been around for some time as people began to envision the impact that the visual and aural elements could have on the traditional writing process. Video documentaries, radio reflections and other experiments have blossomed with the Web 2.0 world. There are many publishing sources and many means of expression. But what does it all mean? How can the interactive web be tapped into to bring storytelling and composition to an even deeper level of meaning for the writer and for the audience?

Join guest host Kevin Hodgson, who is the technology liaison of the Western Massachusetts Writing Project, this week on Teachers Teaching Teachers as he seeks to explore some of these questions. Kevin is a sixth grade teacher who has students create digital picture books (last year’s theme — math, and this year’s theme — science) and stop-motion claymation projects (in which his sixth graders collaborate with second graders). He has been exploring the intersection of the world of digital storytelling and the Web 2.0 frontier in recent months with NWP Colleague Bonnie Kaplan through a community Weblog and a new collaborative ABC movie project that features more than a dozen teachers throughout the country who are contributing video segments to a larger collaborative project that uses online tools to plan, produce and distribute a digital story.

The program will try to showcase some different aspects of storytelling and technology, brainstorm some ways that people can get started, and consider what the future holds for telling stories in a digital environment.

Our guests will include Gail Desler,
who is part of the ABC Movie Project and a deep thinker on the pedagogy underlying the use of technology in the classroom; and others.

20:19:23 PaulAllison -> hi. 20:19:29 Lee Ann -> hello 20:19:47 Kevin H -> I am talking to Bonnie on Skype right now 20:20:13 PaulAllison -> don't get talked out... is it bonnie_k 20:20:17 PaulAllison -> or bonniek 20:20:42 jeff -> stream is free if anyone wants to grab it 20:20:45 Kevin H -> bonnie k 20:20:59 PaulAllison -> Susan will be streaming, I think. 20:22:07 Kevin H -> HI bonnie 20:22:45 bonnie -> Hi Kevin 20:23:02 PaulAllison -> Welcome Bonnie! 20:23:08 bonnie -> Hi Paul 20:23:29 Lee Ann -> Hello Bonnie 20:23:39 bonnie -> So far, so good 20:23:45 Kevin H -> Hi Lee 20:23:47 bonnie -> Hi Lee Ann 20:24:02 Kevin H -> Paul, I just tried to paste a web address and had no luck 20:24:31 Kevin H -> Bonnie is going try it 20:25:09 bonnie -> I couldn't get it in either 20:26:28 Lee Ann -> hi kevin 20:26:40 Kevin H -> Paul, should we hang up and wait for Susan to call us? 20:27:58 jeff -> if you're on windows, try ctrl-c and ctrl-v to copy and paste 20:28:31 Lee Ann -> also.. i just copy and drag an address into the window...that works well 20:28:39 Lee Ann -> but i am mac 20:28:40 Kevin H -> Nope -- it didn't work, Jeff 20:29:48 Kevin H -> http://techstories.edublogs.org/[5] 20:29:53 Kevin H -> OK 20:30:02 jeff -> how did you get it to work? 20:30:13 Kevin H -> I went to bookmarks and dragged it down 20:30:28 jeff -> good to know 20:30:41 Lee Ann -> ah ha .. thats how I do it! :) 20:32:20 PaulAllison -> me too. 20:33:18 Lee Ann -> hi susan 20:33:25 PaulAllison -> All together now: 20:33:33 bonnie -> Susan what do Kevin and I need to do 20:33:44 bonnie -> Should we hang up and have you call us? 20:33:55 SusanEttenheim -> hi everyone- just getting set up 20:34:06 SusanEttenheim -> yes, I will call you in about 5 min 20:34:18 SusanEttenheim -> you don't need to hang anything up now.. 20:34:24 SusanEttenheim -> enjoy visiting... 20:34:40 PaulAllison -> Hi Susan. 20:34:44 bonnie -> Kevin and I did hang up but we are still enjoying this 20:34:48 Kevin H -> Ok dokie :D 20:34:50 SusanEttenheim -> hi 20:35:03 SusanEttenheim -> :) 20:35:19 PaulAllison -> I think you'll have Kevin11, bonnie k, tonya.witherspoon, gaild 20:35:35 PaulAllison -> I can go to the skypecast if that makes sense? 20:37:09 PaulAllison -> I could do a quick introduction of Kevin, then jump into the skypecast. 20:38:06 SusanEttenheim -> ok 20:39:47 Lee Ann -> That sounds good Paul 20:40:07 Lee Ann -> Susan, will you be able to putme into the conference ? 20:40:44 SusanEttenheim -> probably best in the skypecast 20:40:50 SusanEttenheim -> what is bonnie's name? 20:41:04 PaulAllison -> bonnie k 20:41:08 SusanEttenheim -> wow everyone is early this week 20:41:15 PaulAllison -> yes, eager 20:41:18 SusanEttenheim -> right - what is bonnie's real name 20:41:21 SusanEttenheim -> ? 20:41:27 Kevin H -> Kaplan 20:41:36 SusanEttenheim -> tnx 20:41:47 Kevin H -> :) 20:42:08 bonnie -> bnx 20:42:36 SusanEttenheim -> what is bnx? 20:42:59 Kevin H -> secret teacher code? 20:43:18 Kevin H -> between new xylophones 20:43:21 Kevin H -> ? 20:43:22 bonnie -> my alphabet letters 20:43:29 Kevin H -> oh 20:43:47 Kevin H -> forgot 20:45:39 PaulAllison -> Note for tonight's show: http://www.google.com/notebook/?nbid=COwOWqzaTqGg%2FBDQWgSwoQhILdupoi#b=...[6] 20:46:51 Kevin H -> just testing -- http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=441851401&size=o[7] The ABC Movie Concept Map 20:47:13 PaulAllison -> Let's try that again... the web adress for Notes for tonight's show: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08623557280778658940/BDQWgSwoQhILd...[3] 20:48:11 Bonnie -> Whoops I'm back 20:49:26 Kevin H -> HI gail 20:49:27 PaulAllison -> Kevin, I'm going to welcome you, Bonnie, (and Tonya and Gail if they are around), and mainly introduce you... then go to the skypecast. 20:49:47 Kevin H -> Ok Paul. Sounds good to me. 20:49:49 PaulAllison -> ...where I can participate if I raise my hand. 20:50:05 gail desler -> I'm here Paul 20:50:07 SusanEttenheim -> funny 20:50:12 PaulAllison -> Hi Gail. 20:50:47 PaulAllison -> We should be doing sound test soon? 20:50:54 Bonnie -> Great 20:50:57 gail desler -> Are you on skype yet, or just in the chat room? 20:51:09 Bonnie -> Chat room 20:51:09 Kevin H -> just chat 20:53:35 PaulAllison -> Teachers Teaching Teacher will be starting soon. 20:54:09 PaulAllison -> Tonight Kevin Hodgson will be leading a discussion about Using Technology to Tell Stories. 20:54:39 PaulAllison -> Notes for this show can be found here: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08623557280778658940/BDQWgSwoQhILd...[3] 20:57:00 PaulAllison -> Welcom Carmela and Jose... and all... We'll be starting in just a sec. 21:00:00 PaulAllison -> Welcome all! Teachers Teaching Teachers will be up and on the air soon. 21:00:07 guest478 -> yay! 21:01:17 Kevin H -> Just to kill time ... it is snowing in Massachusetts tonight. It's spring, for goodness sake.:? 21:01:33 PaulAllison -> Tonight's skypecast is at +99001110008003305 21:01:36 guest478 -> seems kinda unfair doesn't it 21:01:45 Kevin H -> yep 21:02:00 CarmelaT -> It was sunny and 80 on the Outer Banks of NC 21:02:05 Bonnie -> You just need a sense of humor 21:02:09 gail desler -> Beautiful here in sunny Calif. 21:02:09 Kevin H -> NOw come on ... don' 21:02:24 Kevin H -> don't tell me that! (can I visit?) 21:02:30 PaulAllison -> Talk to me in July, Gail. 21:02:56 Kevin H -> Hi Troy and hi Tom 21:03:02 gail desler -> Oh, you mean Chico...I live up in the foothills - it's cooler there 21:03:07 Bonnie -> HI Troy 21:03:13 hickstro -> Hi Kevin 21:03:19 gail desler -> Hi Troy 21:04:15 hickstro -> Hi Gail 21:04:19 Kevin H -> Hi Donna 21:04:28 Bonnie -> HI Donna 21:04:33 DBragg -> Hi all 21:05:25 Kevin H -> Susan/Paul, should I be doing anything here? (other than making snowballs) 21:05:46 PaulAllison -> We're experiencing some difficulties... going to plan B. 21:05:47 guest478 -> ouch! watch where you're throwing those! 21:06:05 Kevin H -> OK -- and I did NOT put that rock in the snowball 21:06:17 guest478 -> I'm telling mom 21:06:21 SusanEttenheim -> hi everyone 21:06:25 PaulAllison -> Jeff...are you available? 21:06:26 SusanEttenheim -> sorry I have a problem 21:06:33 SusanEttenheim -> jeff will be broadcasting 21:06:35 Kevin H -> Ok -- no worries 21:06:44 SusanEttenheim -> he and I have spoken and he's all set to got 21:06:46 SusanEttenheim -> go 21:06:48 CarmelaT -> I would love some snow. How about if we trade places for a week Kevin? 21:07:09 Kevin H -> :D 21:07:13 jeff -> main guests, please skype 'worldbridges' 21:08:24 guest478 -> Gotta love that JL 21:09:43 CarmelaT -> somebody help me here - I can't skype yet. CathyE is getting me a mic soon. Do I click on the WMP under EdTeckTalk A??? 21:09:57 guest478 -> that will work if you just want to listen 21:10:01 CarmelaT -> or just sit back and chat 21:10:07 CarmelaT -> okay 21:10:07 guest478 -> and textchat 21:10:13 CarmelaT -> gotcha 21:10:16 guest478 -> that's what I"m doing 21:15:06 gail desler -> I've lost audio 21:15:28 DBragg -> I still have audio 21:15:52 guest478 -> audio is still here... 21:15:56 guest478 -> at least on the stream 21:16:33 PaulAllison -> Notes for tonight's show are here: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08623557280778658940/BDQWgSwoQhILd...[3] 21:16:36 Kevin H -> Gail, we're still here 21:16:48 gail desler -> I'm back on 21:17:04 guest478 -> holy show notes batman! 21:18:21 Kevin H -> http://techstories.edublogs.org/[5] Using Technology to Tell Stories (our blog) 21:18:27 Lee Ann -> The wonder of google docs! 21:18:33 Lee Ann -> and notebooks 21:18:44 Lee Ann -> (show notes that is) 21:19:39 hickstro -> Do we have a Skypecast address? 21:20:41 Madeline_Here -> Hello, is there a Skypecast tonight? I'm in iTunes, but Skypecast is more reliable for me. 21:21:17 jlcgarton -> Yes, there is a skypecast. 21:21:20 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:21:29 SusanEttenheim -> 001110008003305 21:21:33 PaulAllison -> Thanks Susan 21:21:41 SusanEttenheim -> hi everyone - here's the skypecast for tonight 21:24:26 hickstro -> One question that I have about digital storytelling is about genre... 21:24:50 hickstro -> ... it seems like the Center for Digital Storytelling is very focused on personal narrative... 21:25:13 Bonnie -> Yes Troy 21:25:17 DBragg -> I would agree, Troy 21:25:24 hickstro -> ... what about other genres like a historical reenactment or a report on coral reefs? 21:25:29 PaulAllison -> Hi Sharon. 21:25:46 Bonnie -> I want to move beyond that strict definition 21:25:47 sharonp -> Hi Paul and all - sorry to jump in so late.... 21:25:49 hickstro -> Are these still digital stories? Or, are they other projects that are using a movie making tool? 21:25:59 PaulAllison -> Troy Hicks (hickstro) has been asking about genre... 21:26:06 DBragg -> I have my (Parenting) student write a children's digital story 21:26:42 PaulAllison -> Does multimedia project = digital story? 21:26:42 sharonp -> yes, I too have wondered about genre and using the term digital stories - some define it quite narrowly 21:26:48 sharonp -> channel or skype? 21:27:02 SusanEttenheim -> 001110008003305 21:27:12 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:27:41 SusanEttenheim -> hi everyone here's the skypecast for tonight 21:27:48 SusanEttenheim -> anyone ready with questions? 21:28:51 DBragg -> my students were very creative in getting their work done with a variety of technologies 21:29:17 hickstro -> Yeah, I am concerned that the mode (narrative) and medium (made in movie maker/iMovie) is constricting the genre of digital storytelling, too. 21:29:29 DBragg -> camera phones, digital video cameras, etc 21:29:58 Lee Ann -> how so 21:30:05 Lee Ann -> troy 21:30:11 hickstro -> For instance, I think that Bud's recent podcast about his daughter learning a new song was as good a story with just the audio as compated to what it could have been with video and pictures, too. 21:30:33 Madeline_Here -> how is it constricting? 21:30:46 DBragg -> I agree, Troy 21:30:50 sharonp -> shouldn't digital story-telling encompass a wide range? Any digital medium or media that is being used 21:31:02 hickstro -> Lee -- I think that the idea of "digital storytelling" could include just an audio composing process that involves layers of tracks, background sounds, multiple voices, etc... 21:31:06 SusanEttenheim -> nope not yet 21:31:15 DBragg -> The visual medium won't have added to the story 21:31:21 SusanEttenheim -> most are listening to improve their English! 21:31:26 hickstro -> ... it is still just as powerful, if taught well, as also including images and video. 21:32:06 guest478 -> i wonder if we really need the 'digital' 21:32:15 guest478 -> in a sense... we're going back to first principles here 21:32:23 sharonp -> I don't think *just* personal narrative too! historical narrative, yes, myth-sharing 21:32:31 guest478 -> storytelling is and has always been a huge part of our cultures 21:32:36 Kevin H -> We purposely did not use Digital for our blog site 21:32:43 Lee Ann -> yes, I see what your saying 21:33:15 guest478 -> 'research' and 'best-practice' i think have clouded one of the key ways that we pass on cultural knowledge 21:33:30 sharonp -> oh I see guest 478 is back visiting us 21:33:35 guest478 -> :) 21:34:30 Lee Ann -> Guest... explaing a little further.. 21:34:51 Lee Ann -> it is not intuitive anymore? 21:35:26 CathyE -> Here is our kindergarten ABC story http://www.dare.k12.nc.us/nhes/sanders/abcmarch.wmv[9] 21:35:52 guest478 -> for many years it's not been 'valued' 21:35:59 sharonp -> When I initially heard the term digital story-telling, I thought of it as any exchange of ... more than just narrative, .... language, information, personal ideas that takes advantage of a multimedia approach.... then I realized that some had a very narrow definition of what it is.... 21:36:04 guest478 -> i would say that many of the skills have atrophied 21:36:09 hickstro -> So, do we all kind of agree that "telling stories with technology" is slightly different from the CDS's definition for "digital storytelling?" How is this useful (or not useful) for us to have a new term and definition? 21:36:11 Kevin H -> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=441851401&size=o[7] The ABC Movie Concept Map 21:36:29 guest478 -> CDS? 21:36:46 hickstro -> Center for Digital Storytelling... Sorry... 21:36:51 guest478 -> ah. 21:37:04 sharonp -> ah yes, I may have been influenced by that site 21:37:06 DBragg -> Kevin doesn't sleep, I'm convinced 21:37:11 guest478 -> I might have picked that one out :p 21:37:29 guest478 -> sleep? 21:37:33 Kevin H -> (letter a) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5526288093296786506&hl=en[10] A is for Airplane - Google Video 21:37:40 guest478 -> that's a good idea.... getting late on the east coast. 21:37:46 guest478 -> thanks for chatting folks 21:37:48 guest478 -> much enjoyed 21:37:53 Kevin H -> (letter m) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1825373098791704137&hl=en[11] Letter M - Google Video 21:37:59 sharonp -> I think I had actually had my students do what I *thought* what a digital story-telling exercise, only to find later that it didn't fit the typical "accepted" definition 21:38:40 Lee Ann -> Hi Joyce 21:38:40 gail desler -> Hi joyce 21:38:52 joycevalenza -> hi 21:38:53 SusanEttenheim -> hi joyce 21:38:55 Lee Ann -> You owe me a coke Gail 21:38:57 Skipper -> ??? besides the collaboration and entertainment value of digital storytelling, can you talk about the educational value 21:39:08 sharonp -> HI Joyce! 21:39:18 hickstro -> Question for the guests tonight: How would you structure the ideal "telling stories with technology" workshop/institute for teachers? Imagine that you have 4-5 days for PD and a full set of wireless laptops. What would you do? 21:39:23 DBragg -> I have a bike path behind my house and I have the letter W, a walk is coming up I feel it 21:39:24 gail desler -> a coke, Lee Ann? 21:39:33 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:39:47 SusanEttenheim -> here's the skypecast for tonight - please join in! 21:40:05 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:40:14 sharonp -> brad, I would show photostory, flickr and audacity and let them go at it 21:40:17 PaulAllison -> http://www.animalamina.com/[12] 21:40:30 sharonp -> are the laptops pc or mac? ;-) 21:41:00 gail desler -> Ben the pirate? 21:41:08 PaulAllison -> Troy, can you skype worldbridges? 21:41:21 Ben Davis -> what is the skype number? 21:41:33 sharonp -> after they have made their imovie or wmv file, I would have them upload it to youtube, teachertube or google video, then show them the power of a wiki and have them embed their movie into the wiki and describe/embellish what they have done 21:41:42 hickstro -> Paul - I think that I am in. 21:42:22 sharonp -> jumpcut..? I think I missed it 21:42:24 PaulAllison -> We should ask some questions from the skype cast 21:42:33 Kevin H -> http://www.jumpcut.com/[13] Jumpcut - Be good to your video 21:42:37 gail desler -> Great suggestion Sharon 21:43:09 gail desler -> taking the project to a wiki 21:43:10 hickstro -> That is sweet Kevin! 21:43:36 DBragg -> MeI'm jumping into jumpcut too 21:43:37 sharonp -> and I have done most of that myself - so I know the steps and the power of it - taking the project to the wiki adds so much! 21:43:50 Ben Davis -> does anyone have the skype number? 21:44:00 joycevalenza -> once kids get used to the commercial stuff, jumpcut seems a little limited 21:44:18 sharonp -> what does jumpcut do compared to youtube? I see that it is a mashup - I love mashups! 21:44:29 PaulAllison -> I've loved using http://animalamina.com[14] with students. 21:44:30 hickstro -> Yes - Jumpcut is limited. But it is free and web-based, two great features for teachers. 21:45:03 joycevalenza -> yes 21:45:17 joycevalenza -> we should try to ask permission when we can 21:45:25 joycevalenza -> or use creative commons options 21:45:26 hickstro -> I think that you have figured out part of what this all means, haven't you? 21:46:08 hickstro -> This is a great exploration of genre and collaboration, focused in a multimodal composing environment. Wow... layer upon layer of ideas for what this means, I think... 21:46:09 sharonp -> good idea - writing out reflections - so important 21:46:24 Angela -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:47:43 hickstro -> Great point, Lee! 21:48:17 hickstro -> Also, what is left out of a digital story is almost as important as what is put in. 21:48:32 sharonp -> yes, kinesthetic, etc. - I agree with Lee, but that is part of the learning process for the student to experiment with design, layout, composition - those are critical thinking skills that are importatn 21:48:36 Madeline_Here -> tried this link, but it's PRIVATE :-( http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=441851401&size=o[7] 21:48:46 sharonp -> and we need to let students experiment with all of that 21:49:15 sharonp -> It is not about the tools 21:49:21 sharonp -> the tools will change 21:49:26 Lee Ann -> How can the interactive web be tapped into to bring storytelling and composition to an even deeper level of meaning for the writer and for the audience? 21:49:28 sharonp -> the software will chante 21:49:31 sharonp -> change 21:50:15 sharonp -> but design, layout, composition, colour choices, language choices for the chosen medium etc.... those are the skills that will not change 21:50:32 sharonp -> or perhaps not change as fast.... 21:50:43 sharonp -> :) 21:50:59 Ben Davis -> Here is a site I found on http://go2web20.net [15]http://www.cuts.com[16] 21:51:01 sharonp -> Lee that is a good question 21:51:12 Bonnie -> Great point Sharon. I hope I quoted you right. 21:51:17 Madeline_Here -> Sharon, those elements do change, and they change quickly in kid aesthetics 21:51:21 hickstro -> "A story should be remembered for its soul, not the bells and whistles." Bernajean Porter - http://www.digitales.us/evaluating/index.php[17] 21:51:36 Bonnie -> YES 21:51:43 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:51:53 SusanEttenheim -> skypecast tonight 21:51:54 sharonp -> the interactive web has made the audience real to the composers 21:52:02 SusanEttenheim -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...[8] 21:52:03 gail desler -> Ah, Troy, I love the digitales site. Great examples! 21:52:08 sharonp -> we now have access to an authentic audience 21:53:19 sharonp -> aesthetics is influenced by cultural - a study in culture 21:53:41 Lee Ann -> Exactly and .. additionally as Sharon said, just developing the skills to be able to use media IS important...but the story is just words...until the creator brings it to life.. truly living.. absorbing..to the point where one does not ..for just a moment ..remember themselves..but have become part of that story 21:54:40 Lee Ann -> engaged as we often become with a really good book.. 21:55:05 Madeline_Here -> creating images through the writing . . . 21:55:15 Madeline_Here -> creating images through the reading . . . . 21:55:16 sharonp -> I find it interesting that my province's educational plan defines text as not jsut letters on a page, but ANY medium that relates information (i.e. text = video, audio, visual arts, etc.) 21:55:42 PaulAllison -> http://www.animalamina.com/[12] 21:55:46 joycevalenza -> this american life? 21:56:10 PaulAllison -> Yes... thanks Joyce. 21:56:16 Ben Davis -> I use This American Life in my class ALLLLLLL the time! 21:56:18 Ben Davis -> I love it! 21:56:25 Madeline_Here -> yes, such a good show for creating images...yes this american life 21:56:51 Lee Ann -> link? 21:56:56 sharonp -> yes, even web 2.0 is a highly controversial term 21:57:05 CathyE -> I agree- it can be what you need it to be 21:57:45 Ben Davis -> I am planning to have my students make short documentaries out of the research papers they are writing. 21:57:53 sharonp -> yes, branding names.... it is hard to create new accepted terms 21:58:17 SusanEttenheim -> troy is ready to jump in 21:58:21 gail desler -> Will they go public with their documentaries, Ben? 21:58:24 SusanEttenheim -> with a question 21:58:34 DBragg -> and what you think will catch on doesn't 21:58:37 CathyE -> Lee, it is important, and I think it looks very different from grade to grade 21:58:42 sharonp -> I even think about the term webquest and how I see it misused or rendered differently from what Bernie Dodge originally coined - but language does evolve 21:59:02 SusanEttenheim -> ben did you get into the skypecast? 21:59:10 SusanEttenheim -> would you like to join in the conversation? 21:59:11 sharonp -> Troy, that is my workplace! 21:59:47 sharonp -> it would depend on what they teach 22:00:22 Lee Ann -> Hey Bill! 22:00:28 hickstro -> Just taking notes here... 22:00:45 hickstro -> Kevin says -- something that they can collaborate on and that will last past the four days. 22:00:46 SusanEttenheim -> ben has a question too 22:00:50 CarmelaT -> Cathy, would that Digitales work well with the Demonstration's project? 22:00:57 sharonp -> show them the tools, (i.e. photostory, imovie, audacity, garageband, flickr, a camera, a videocamera) and give them a competition - they can set their own goals - yes, maybe start a social network to share their products 22:01:01 Madeline_Here -> www.thisamericanlife.org/podcast.xml?client=itunes [18] 22:01:16 hickstro -> Kevin says -- I am concerned about the workshops where people never see each other again and they need to learn to lean on each other. 22:01:18 joycevalenza -> ira glass just did a post on storytelling 22:01:30 CathyE -> Yes, Carmella, I think it might be the ticket 22:01:39 hickstro -> Bonnie says -- what I have done in the past is more on the model of CDS... 22:02:05 hickstro -> ... the write meaningful stories, bond, learn tech step-by-step, by the end they have something that they share... 22:02:16 hickstro -> ... the project is over, though, and there is no sense of collaboration... 22:02:18 CarmelaT -> Okay Cathy, good thing I didn't send home the info about the posters yet. Will you help me check this out? 22:02:30 CathyE -> yep 22:02:31 hickstro -> ... they might take it to their classrooms, but they are not collaborating any further. 22:02:39 sharonp -> building a supportive social network where they can continue their work and post their work online 22:02:53 hickstro -> Bonnie says: I have invited the CDS people to the website, but they are not on there yet... 22:02:56 Kevin H -> http://techstories.edublogs.org/[5] Using Technology to Tell Stories 22:03:09 Kevin H -> Please visit and join our blog conversation at any time 22:03:17 hickstro -> ... comparing this to NWP and Tech Matters, there is a richer experience with the collaboration and that has get us to the place that we are now. 22:03:25 joycevalenza -> in some ways storytelling might be more personal than collaborative 22:03:39 Lee Ann -> Yes, Joyce 22:03:44 joycevalenza -> the individual voice is sometimes critical 22:03:47 Lee Ann -> working alone , , , together 22:03:48 hickstro -> Troy's comment -- so, there has to be an explicit focus on composing a collabortive project, right? 22:03:49 Kevin H -> But can't we merge the two somehow? 22:04:27 Lee Ann -> sharing each other as resources but pursuing our own vision 22:05:02 hickstro -> Question for Kevin and Bonnie -- I agree with you, so don't hear this as a critical question, but a curious one... 22:05:41 hickstro -> ... to what extent do we forgo explicit teaching of the storytelling process and/or technologies in order to allow time for collaboration to occur (noting, of course, that some of these skills will be learned in the collaborative process)? 22:06:17 Kevin H -> Good question, Troy. 22:06:51 Bonnie -> I think that there needs to be some basic instruction as well. 22:06:52 sharonp -> Troy, great question - how do you strike that balance? Collaborative skills are so important, but so are those other skills - deadlines can be useful 22:06:52 Kevin H -> I guess I think collaboration is important on many levels and there must be a way to mix writing and collaboration with technology, in a meaningful way for our students. 22:07:07 joycevalenza -> we're having lots of issues with their incorporation of copyrighted material 22:07:12 CathyE -> That is why I'm moving toward a drupal 22:07:30 hickstro -> Thanks, Kevin. This stems from some of my conversations with people who have been to CDS workshops, noting that they do use a model of direct instruction. 22:07:31 sharonp -> Several of my students have created these ski videos - taught themselves the skills of video-taping, editing and then have uploaded to youtube 22:07:38 sharonp -> and they are awesome videos! 22:07:51 sharonp -> (they call me their biggest supporter) 22:07:53 gail desler -> Joyce, that's a major issue once a story leaves the 4 walls of the classroom 22:08:25 joycevalenza -> yup. i blew the fun from the gettysburg tour telling them they couldn't use the music 22:08:26 sharonp -> and NOW they are begging me to do an assignment where they can show off their video skills 22:08:47 Madeline_Here -> as for copyrighted materials, stick with creative commons share and share alike materials 22:09:42 hickstro -> Educause has a new 7 things doc on Creative Commons: http://www.educause.edu/LibraryDetailPage/666?ID=ELI7023[19] 22:10:12 sharonp -> great show - some interesting ideas expressed here 22:10:13 CathyE -> Lee, you are so right- sharing examples is the best way to get teachers excited 22:10:30 SusanEttenheim -> thanks 22:10:34 Kevin H -> Thanks to everyone! 22:10:54 Madeline_Here -> thank you for a mid week boost :-) 22:11:01 hickstro -> Thanks everyone. I still want to hear more abou this hypothetical workshop... 22:11:07 CathyE -> This was great- some wonderful links to take back to my teachers :) 22:11:14 Lee Ann -> I love to hear everyone else's participation 22:11:30 CarmelaT -> I've already got some of them Cathy 22:11:50 joycevalenza -> thanks! 22:12:04 Linda J -> thanks! 22:12:09 Kevin H -> Good night everyone. Please come to our blog and add your comments when you get some time. http://techstories.edublogs.org/[5] Using Technology to Tell Stories