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Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Legitimate question: Is it more? I'm curious what reason NY media would have to cover this game. It's the sort of thing we throw out as a positive. I'm wondering if there's actually any merit to it, because I don't see why NY media will spend a moment on ISU-South Carolina.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by andymhallman

Well, KU's schedule was the toughest in the country. What do you want from them? To play all of their games on the road?

Temple was 9-22 last year. UNLV was a Top 100 squad. Georgetown and Utah were both NIT squads. Even the Old Spice Classic is full of rebuilding teams in Michigan State and Tennessee. What I'm saying is that college basketball is a fluid proposition and Arkansas, Arizona State and Maryland might all be NCAA tournament teams this year. That would give us 5 games against NCAA tourney teams (Iowa and Georgia State being the other two). Along with 12 games in the conference against tourney squads that is a pretty damn good schedule. Probably better than last year's to be honest.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

I would think you'd want to schedule at least one big name opponent each non-conference whether it's at home or on the road. What's so bad about playing a big game on the road? If you lose at eg. Duke, that doesn't hurt you AT ALL. But a win is gold.

I can understand why we wouldn't schedule a gauntlet this year, but no downside from a single tough away game.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by twocoach

If ISU is supposed to be a Top 15 team then there aren't many teams in the country that ISU fans should consider a tough game. There are a lot of teams between "tough game" and South Carolina. That's all I am saying. They were really awful last year.

Of course. And getting those teams on the schedule is extremely difficult.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by andymhallman

I'm sort of with twocoach here, wondering if Iowa State will play a good team in its non-conference schedule. Iowa should be a tough game, but it will be hard to get excited for the others. It's more fun to play a good team that you could beat but probably won't than to roll over a team you should beat. Honestly, I would rather see ISU play at Michigan State or at Florida, where they'd be a heavy underdog, than to watch them throttle UMKC. Am I alone?

You're not and I agree. However those teams basically play scrubs and other blue bloods. Like Beilein said he wasn't going back to Iowa State any time soon.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by awd4cy

Dang, that Gonzaga neutral site series would have been awesome. A lot better than South Carolina.

How is that awesome to not even get a game in your STATE? 67 other teams made the tourney last year, I am sure ISU could get a home and home with one of them. It doesn't have to be Duke or Kentucky, just a team that makes the tourney most of the time. Michigan State and Ohio State will take on tough home/home series. The good teams in the Mountain West are taking home/home games now. KU has a series with both New Mexico and San Diego State going right now.

St Louis, Cincinnati, Temple, Georgetown and Marquette all offer the bonus of a game in a big city for recruiting bumps. Heck, give Dayton a call. They'd probably love to capitalize on their Elite Eight run with a good series. There are plenty of teams out there that would book a series.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by twocoach

How is that awesome to not even get a game in your STATE? 67 other teams made the tourney last year, I am sure ISU could get a home and home with one of them. It doesn't have to be Duke or Kentucky, just a team that makes the tourney most of the time. Michigan State and Ohio State will take on tough home/home series. The good teams in the Mountain West are taking home/home games now. KU has a series with both New Mexico and San Diego State going right now.

St Louis, Cincinnati, Temple, Georgetown and Marquette all offer the bonus of a game in a big city for recruiting bumps. Heck, give Dayton a call. They'd probably love to capitalize on their Elite Eight run with a good series. There are plenty of teams out there that would book a series.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by BryceC

Of course. And getting those teams on the schedule is extremely difficult.

Bah. Go look at the amazing non-con games that have been played the last two years. We are in a virtually unprecedented time where teams are finally straying away from home and playing games. There have been more great non-con games in the last two years than in any time in my memory. Now is the time to capitalize on the marketability of ISU basketball. The AD should be burning up the phone lines.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by twocoach

Michigan State will play anyone on any floor on any continent. They have a series going with Texas, that's no different than playing Iowa State.

From what I understand, ISU would LOVE to play Michigan or MSU EVERY year. Michigan is done w/ us and I am guessing that the schedule thing did not work out for Sparty. Minnesota has been the highest scheduling priority and it has not worked out either. If you can't get the schools you want- get the locations you want. Get something out of the schedule that can help. A game at the corn palace is a joke.

This schedule is still a huge improvement over the past coaches and how they set the schedule up.

Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

Originally Posted by rochclone

Two coach,

Outside of Florida and Kentucky who are you guaranteed to play in the non-conference that actually participated in the NCAA Tournament last year? I think the answer is zero based on the KU schedule release.

KU's schedule is better than ours but it is tremendously watered down from last year. Temple, Georgetown and UNLV are nice name opponents but they were all terrible last year. In fact South Carolina was much better than Temple.

"Outside of two Final Four teams, who are you really playing? " Nice. I needed a good laugh, thanks!

As well it should be watered down compared to last year, which was the toughest non-con schedule by a ranked team in years. I think their schedule was way too hard last year. They did not have enough easy games to allow bench players to get minutes and experience. With so many young guys being counted on, this really hurt them down the stretch. Self backed off the schedule on purpose this year, especially knowing KU would have Kentucky and likely Florida again.

And we all know that these early season tourneys are a total crap shoot as far as quality. You typically have no idea who the other teams are when you commit and how they will look. Entering a tourney with Michigan State, you assume that they will have an excellent team. And did I mention that Self knows that Izzo totally has his number? We just had a home and home with them a few years ago, played them in the ncaa tourney and played them in the Champions Classic in recent history and Michigan State has won most of those games if not all. It's a good test, no matter what their team looks like. Izzo is a hall of famer and can beat anyone on any night.

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