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Look, Seibertronians, I'm going to discuss a topic here, a topic that hardly any of you will even want to read after hearing these next two words: THE TWINSI know why they were taken outI know how they would have diedI know how they would have actedBut why remove them?like the remaining Arcee sister, Jolt, Longhaul, (Even though there is a protoform in TF3 that looks alot like him), the twins were givin the shaft.I find this rather harsh.See, In a movie like DOTM, the level of maturaty was so high, the twins would be welcomed, and here's why:Skids and Mudflap BOTH have been on earth with the Autobots for the last 3 years. They could have been mature in DOTM. They didn't need to be wise-ass smack talking lumps of non-transforming metal. The maturity they have gained would have allowed them to be soldiers. sure, they'de have quirks, but so does every other 'bot on the team! I Mean skids must really like blending in like a ninja if you guys are gonna say he was there the whole timeAll I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film.As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?A Firrari with an Italian Accent? (Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?A Firrari with an Italian Accent? (Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

Dino, is out of their hands. His name and accent were mandated by Ferrari, according to news about the character and the deal to allow a Ferrari to be used. Blame the Italians on this one. To be honest though, I fail to see how it put them in a bad light. Dino was a competent soldier, he was well spoken and intelligent. Nothing offensive about him.

Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.

Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?A Firrari with an Italian Accent? (Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

Dino, is out of their hands. His name and accent were mandated by Ferrari, according to news about the character and the deal to allow a Ferrari to be used. Blame the Italians on this one. To be honest though, I fail to see how it put them in a bad light. Dino was a competent soldier, he was well spoken and intelligent. Nothing offensive about him.

Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

well, Dino is, I guess, Give or take.The "Mexican Standoff" Was by far the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.Still, the twins got a bum wrap and they would have looked good alongside ironhide and sideswipe, not to mention that they could have proven vital points in the fights against shockwave, soundwave, and sentinel. they would have eventually been cannon fodder for a fact, but they should still have been a part of all this. same with jolt AND Arcee.and what about that commercial jet? You see that guy? I think that was going to be silverbolt, but he was edited out as well.

down to the point.WreckersDinoBrainsWheeliedoesn't matter.the fact that enough people complain about 1 thing can get two surefire characters banned just steams me.

also, if sly see's this, I'm 100% Behind you and your nemesis prime theory, it's that missing piece of the puzzle we need.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.

Thanks.

And if I remember correctly, someone even screams out their names just before the fiery debris flies out of the garage entrance when Mearing's team is approaching.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

I'm sure someone has said this before in another thread so forgive me if I sound plagiaristic but here's how I look at it: There are aspects of all three Michael Bay Transformers movies that everyone liked and disliked. From what I've seen on these forums since I started participating just prior to DOTM's premiere, there is one thing that Mr Bay must be given credit for above and beyond anything else: his work has inspired tremendous discussion and debate amongst a vast and diverse community of people devoted to the Transformers brand. For better or for worse, Michael Bay and the stars of the live-action films have left an indelible mark on the brand and its millions of fans worldwide.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.

Thanks.

And if I remember correctly, someone even screams out their names just before the fiery debris flies out of the garage entrance when Mearing's team is approaching.

ok, well when it comes out on dvd, and footage starts popping up on youtube, your gonna have to show me these Skids and Mudlap scenes.

2. Wreckers and Rednecks - I know nothing much about Rednecks beyond the racist stereotypes. But it started confusing me when some toy reviewers mentioned the connection, especially the mullets. Are mullets associated with rednecks exclusively? Because I know of friends who are coloured be they black or Asian, who also wear that style.

3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.

When you watch a movie, you'll see good guys, you'll see bad guys. If a bad guy is black, is that racism? And hence translated to the Transformers setting, where certain robots take on certain traits, it becomes a direct attack?

For example, in the Star Wars prequels, the Nemoidians were given Asian accents. Being Asian myself, while I may not have liked the decision, it was a long way towards feeling the film makers were deliberately casting racial slurs. After all why would they think to alienate at least half the paying movie going world?

Even more ridiculous to me have been claims like- Jet Li as a villain in Lethal Weapon 4 = racist against Chinese- Cyril Raffaeli in Die Hard 4 = racist against French

Perhaps someone can explain more because it confuses me when these discussions come up. Some seem like total non sequuntur to me.

2. Wreckers and Rednecks - I know nothing much about Rednecks beyond the racist stereotypes. But it started confusing me when some toy reviewers mentioned the connection, especially the mullets. Are mullets associated with rednecks exclusively? Because I know of friends who are coloured be they black or Asian, who also wear that style.

3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.

When you watch a movie, you'll see good guys, you'll see bad guys. If a bad guy is black, is that racism? And hence translated to the Transformers setting, where certain robots take on certain traits, it becomes a direct attack?

For example, in the Star Wars prequels, the Nemoidians were given Asian accents. Being Asian myself, while I may not have liked the decision, it was a long way towards feeling the film makers were deliberately casting racial slurs. After all why would they think to alienate at least half the paying movie going world?

Even more ridiculous to me have been claims like- Jet Li as a villain in Lethal Weapon 4 = racist against Chinese- Cyril Raffaeli in Die Hard 4 = racist against French

Perhaps someone can explain more because it confuses me when these discussions come up. Some seem like total non sequuntur to me.

No, It's no that I think any of it's "Racist" It's the fact that some others do. They think the twins were a racial steriotype. No they were not! I know pelenty of people who talk the same way they do! And they're white, black, hispanic, asian, and others I don't even recognize! It's Ebonic Ghetto talk, An up and coming thing for almost everone in maerica nowadays, but if two giant robots talk all "gangsta" people of a certain color may get offended. No one bitched about jazz! Even barricade is portrayed as "Black" In more than color, and no one points it out.the twins were just durogatory, and thats what people noticed.

As for the Wreackers, they wernt rednecks, they were Irish, actually. Sure Irish nascars can be connected racially with drinking and all that, but no one will call that, because it's not a purposely made connection. even if it is, so what? I HATE living in a world were your favorite things can be ruined by political correctness.

as for the dreads,

Twitchythe3rd wrote:Jamacian wasn't the first thought when I saw the Dreads. Mine was "holy ****, it's a robot Predator."

That just about sums it up nicely.as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM

BeastProwl wrote:As for the Wreackers, they wernt rednecks, they were Irish, actually. Sure Irish nascars can be connected racially with drinking and all that, but no one will call that, because it's not a purposely made connection. even if it is, so what? I HATE living in a world were your favorite things can be ruined by political correctness.

Actually, only one of the Wreckers was Irish, One was Scottish, and one was a Cockney (London accent)

Twitchythe3rd wrote:Jamacian wasn't the first thought when I saw the Dreads. Mine was "holy ****, it's a robot Predator."

Same here - i never considered Jamaican until i read it here. I still don't.

BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM

BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM

Holy SH-T!

But in all fairness to Bay, plenty of directors and producers use recycled footage. It cuts costs, it's usually overlooked by the audience, and in the grand scheme of things, it don't mean jack.

It's a smart fiscal move.

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The recycled footage is also due to the original filming of the scene involving the accident of Gabriela Cedillo. Anyways, back on topic... In which I feel that this discussion is getting nowhere. Impress me with intellectualism and not assumptions, and get this topic back on track, thank you.

BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM

Holy SH-T!

But in all fairness to Bay, plenty of directors and producers use recycled footage. It cuts costs, it's usually overlooked by the audience, and in the grand scheme of things, it don't mean jack.

It's a smart fiscal move.

Agreed. My amazement was that there would be fans sharp enough to see it, and even take the time to do a splice by splice comparison. (I haven't watched the Island) Youtubers are amazing people!

Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?

Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.

Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

1.- I remember when Sly made the initial coment of waiting for someone to make a racial conection with the dreads because they were black and ran fast. I think it was more a joke than anyhing (BUt with him, you can never be to sure )

2.- Had he, or the audience memeber made that coment, would you have ever made that conection yourself? And to be fair, i don't see anything derogatory about them anyhow. If anyhing, running faster than Camaro SS and Corvette Stingray is an honor!

But one thing i can't agree with is Bay being politicly correct. For me, having the twins removed from the movie was a perfect example of this. Wether or not you like/dislike the twins or agree with their behavior, bay and Co. recieved alot of flack. Story wise, it would have made much more sence to include them in some shape or form, but instead, because of a select few, they felt it would just be eaiser to cut them out intirely.

Decepticons... Com in get yo ice cream!.... And then get yo ass whop'in!!

Suck my popsicle!! :p

Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.

I personally found nothing disrespectful in the second movie as far as the twins go. I won't say the assertions were ridiculous, but I think people read WAY TOO MUCH into that situation. Just like people are with this movie. Jamaican? Wow. Just wow.

3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.

Prime Riblet wrote:I personally found nothing disrespectful in the second movie as far as the twins go. I won't say the assertions were ridiculous, but I think people read WAY TOO MUCH into that situation. Just like people are with this movie. Jamaican? Wow. Just wow.

Agreed 100%. People will see what they want to see.

Decepticons... Com in get yo ice cream!.... And then get yo ass whop'in!!

Suck my popsicle!! :p

Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.

It was the decent thing to do, not like Lucas, that gave some sense to Jar Jar (someone gullible enough to talk into the senate favouring Palpatine) until the 3rd episode, after being annoying along three movies (note: not because of any racist stereotype, just because he was incredibly annoying )...

Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?

Oh, so did I. And I wonder about the accents too. I mean, everything but the voices were there. It was almost too perfect...

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.

Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

1.- I remember when Sly made the initial coment of waiting for someone to make a racial conection with the dreads because they were black and ran fast. I think it was more a joke than anyhing (BUt with him, you can never be to sure )

2.- Had he, or the audience memeber made that coment, would you have ever made that conection yourself? And to be fair, i don't see anything derogatory about them anyhow. If anyhing, running faster than Camaro SS and Corvette Stingray is an honor!

But one thing i can't agree with is Bay being politicly correct. For me, having the twins removed from the movie was a perfect example of this. Wether or not you like/dislike the twins or agree with their behavior, bay and Co. recieved alot of flack. Story wise, it would have made much more sence to include them in some shape or form, but instead, because of a select few, they felt it would just be eaiser to cut them out intirely.

1.) Sly? No, you can never be too sure.

2.) Making the connection... Yeah. Sadly. Crankcase reminded me of one of the vampires from the Twilight saga. (You see him in the previews) Red eyes and everything. Hmm...was Bay trying to make one of them instead? Dang it. Now that's gonna rattle around in my head.

3.) Bay? Political Correctness? I dare say nay. Bay laughs in the face of PC. I commend him for it. I'm a little tired of the whole PC thing. The labels allow you to say the worst possible thing in the nicest way. I'd much rather people quit pulling their punches and let it all out.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?

Oh, so did I. And I wonder about the accents too. I mean, everything but the voices were there. It was almost too perfect...

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.

Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

1.- I remember when Sly made the initial coment of waiting for someone to make a racial conection with the dreads because they were black and ran fast. I think it was more a joke than anyhing (BUt with him, you can never be to sure )

2.- Had he, or the audience memeber made that coment, would you have ever made that conection yourself? And to be fair, i don't see anything derogatory about them anyhow. If anyhing, running faster than Camaro SS and Corvette Stingray is an honor!

But one thing i can't agree with is Bay being politicly correct. For me, having the twins removed from the movie was a perfect example of this. Wether or not you like/dislike the twins or agree with their behavior, bay and Co. recieved alot of flack. Story wise, it would have made much more sence to include them in some shape or form, but instead, because of a select few, they felt it would just be eaiser to cut them out intirely.

1.) Sly? No, you can never be too sure.

2.) Making the connection... Yeah. Sadly. Crankcase reminded me of one of the vampires from the Twilight saga. (You see him in the previews) Red eyes and everything. Hmm...was Bay trying to make one of them instead? Dang it. Now that's gonna rattle around in my head.

3.) Bay? Political Correctness? I dare say nay. Bay laughs in the face of PC. I commend him for it. I'm a little tired of the whole PC thing. The labels allow you to say the worst possible thing in the nicest way. I'd much rather people quit pulling their punches and let it all out.

EXACTLY! Who cares? If there was SOME way to go back in time and bring the twins back, I would. Political Correctness, though, like you said, Isn't exactly an exercise for Bay, did, In my honest Opinion, get the twins kicked off stage.

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