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Strong weekend for Shane, and Dawson is really kicking butt lately. DD is starting to show some attitude, too. Love the way he protected the dummy with the M hat when they said it was Denard. Heck of a camp all around, and I'm glad to see Khalid Hill feeling heatlhy and getting to play.

Also, is anyone else kind of stunned by the presence that we are going to have at the UnderArmour AA Game? It is really going to make a statement. Also, on the off chance that we are still looking at any uncommitted recruits who are playing there, I have to think that they will be impressed.

Project seems a bit much especially from a kid who had offers from Alabama, USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State. This was a camp where the OL are at a disadvantage because it is only 1-on-1 pass blocking. And there has been no official report or feedback on him. A lack of an invite to the Opening does not all of sudden make him a project.

Yes, he is not polished yet, but you can't teach the quickness he possesses at that size. He has the highest ceiling of our OL commits--and it is probably not close.

Does David Dawson stoning BIlly Price in the 1-on-1s confirm that Billy Price is soft?

Eh, I mean project seems a bit extreme, but I guess it would suggest that LTT might be more likely to redshirt than some of his fellow commits. That's not necessarily an indictment on him as most OL/DL should be expected to redshirt unless they are extraordinarily talented and physically ready.

Slow down, everybody. To answer all responses, maybe I should clarify: I didn't mean project, like chore for the UM coaching staff. A good S&C coach, which you undoubtedly have, will do wonders for this kid, and he'll reach his potential, which as I said, is large.

As far as Price, I don't think it speaks to him being "soft" as much as it speaks to how good/underrated Dawson really is. He impresses everywhere, and we've already seen him jump in the rankings a few times. I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up a top-end 4 star on most sites, with variance.

Price is a great prospect who Michigan would love to have. Just trying to make the point it is very hard to draw conclusions (especially about OL) from a camp setting. Even more so when there has not even been a report or story filed yet.

Understandable, but these are mainly observations. LTT hasn't overly impressed, neither have some of our guys like, Jayme Thompson for example. Thompson is an above average athlete that has to improve his game a bit, LTT is agile for a guy of his size, and just needs to work on his build. It's impossible to make conclusions about juniors in high school, because you truly never know how these things will turn out.

I'm sure you guys have these archetypical examples of underrated high schoolers who went through your program, like we do in AJ Hawk: A guy who was underwhelming/underrated to and by the scouts and scouting process, and turned out to be a top guy at his position in OSU history.

For me to try and draw conclusions from camps would be downright ignorant, because I, like everyone else will never be able to know these things for sure, but things trend certain ways and it's not unreasonable to speculate. I'm not a guy who tries to split hairs or nitpick with your recruits because im not a Michigan fan. I have criticisms on aspects of recruits on both sides, but the point is, this is a crazy talented class that UM is pulling, and I look forward to seeing them on the field, in the spirit of being a football fan.

Were you there? Are you basing this off one twitter comment, a picture, and a lack of an Opening invite? It's not unreasonable to speculate, but it is when you don't justify your speculation with any kind of evidence. There hasn't been a single article even posted yet about the camp today and almost nothing by live updates on how he performed.

The difference between AJ Hawk and LTT in this example is AJ Hawk was a lightly recruited 3 star. LTT is a highly recruited 4 star that has already been invited to the Under Armour AA Game.

I was there for most of it, didn't have the greatest vantage point though. I wasn't directly comparing LTT and AJ Hawk, I was simply making a statement about the relative shot in the dark that is the recruiting ratings. To reiterate what I've said twice: LTT looks like a huge, talented kid, and with the right coaching it'll be fun to watch him play

Part of the reason he may not have looked as good is reportedly he had hurt his shoulder (according to Sam Webb). However, LTT has pretty much always been stated (in all the evaluations I've seen) as a guy with huge potential but needs to work on things to reach there. If you don't belive me look at his Hello post or TTB evaluation of him

I find it all in good fun. My instinct is to discount everything a Michigan fan says, and I understand wholly why you feel the same way and I think it's great for the rivalry. You can down me and my comments all you want, but I'm here for a differing viewpoint, and you'll never see me write any negative opinions about UM football or anything else for that matter (I was about an hour and a half drive away from going to UM, but the instate tuition made my decision for me here) .

Point is, I respect any Michigan fan that will engage me in civil discourse, and I know I can find those here, but I do understand the instinct within a rivalry being stubbornness to accept anything they say.

He jumped at the Michigan offer. He accepted even before Jourdan Lewis accepted and they were offered at the same time. He also had a Bama offer at that time too. Seems like he only really wanted that Michgan offer. Plus, you factor in chance for immediate playing time (we will graduate all three of our starting interior linemen this after this year) with only Bryant and Kalis as potential guards, then I don't think anyone has a chance at swaying him. We shall see though.

I'd like to see a big turnout for U-M at the NFTC in Champaign, IL next month. Hopefully this experience will motivate LTT, and he, Bosch, and some of the other MI and OH guys can get invites out to Oregon. There's a chance for some historic publicity for U-M in this class's exploits.

"There was a time I could have been mistaken for Burt Reynolds. I had a moustache and so did he. But he was the number one star in the world, so there wasn't really much confusion."

I don't know, Billy Price looks pretty large himself. Burrows and Marshall are both skill position players I wouldn't exactly expect them to be the same size as our future olineman, dlineman, and linebacker.

But, after watching Josh Augusta's film, i was very impressed and would be happy if he finished up DE recruiting for us. I think Augusta, LaCouture, and Mathis all project to SDE but we still want a DT/NT or two.

this Hoke fellow can recruit a little bit? Wow he is just a stud on the recruiting trail this last 2 years or 2 half classes and the one full one last year. If he keeps this up I can not see us the U of M winning at least 1 NC in the next 5 years. He is killing it.

21 years of coaching and every senior who stayed had at least 1 big ten title... That is what " Those who stay will be champions" will really get you Ohio native Bo Schembechler.

i was in attendance today. Shane and Jaylin Marshall were the two best I saw. Ross Douglass is pretty damn good, great feet, great hips....good get for PSU. Taco Charlton is a freak, thats relly all I can say about him haha. David Dawson is jist a bulldog with nimble feet. Billy Price plays with a meanness that is unmatched, other than maybe Dawson. I thought Cam Burrows looked better than I though in 1 on 1s, he definitly held his own and LOOKs part. I was only so~so on Malik Zaire, not a get highlevel D1 QB, but I didnt get a chance to see his athleticism. Shane was the best QB I saw all day, by far. Kizer looks nice. Khalid Hill is much fluid than I though. Quick first step amd uses his body well, which was surprising big. Mike McCray may have been the bieggest surprise for me That kid is BIG, yet still lean. Lots of room for growth/muscle and a legit 6'3.

I think Kendall Fuller was there? Pretty sure I knew which one he was. Really nice player, id take him for aure. Slower than I expected, good looking athlete though. Was at WR, although thought he was a DB...so i wasnt aure. Whoever it was, he looked pretty big time.

All the cass tech LBErs ar good. team is just loaded. Really disappointed Jourdan Lewis didnt show, was looking forward to him the most. delano hill has always impressed me, looked solid today, had a couple picks. Good get for Iowa.

What was also a surprise...Shane has put some work in to his body, lifting weights, etc. Dude is much bigger than his junior tape, atleast 200 pounds about 6'3 id say. Calm, cool, collected....a little cocky even. On one of the drills where its the QBs throwing to the WRs on one on one drills with the CB, cam burrows was playing corner against someone, name slips my mind, and got beat over the top..wasnt the greatetst throw, but right on target(like all of shames throws today), and the WR beat him for the TD. Cam doesnt have the best hips. Anyways, as Cam was jogging back....Shane started yelling to him, "4 more years, get ready for that for 4 more years". Was good stuff. Then the next playc Jaylin Marshall completely outclassed his counterpart for a TD, anf Cam came back at Shame after looking at Jaylin saying "4 more years baby".

Jalin surprised me at WR, I looked at him as more of a raw athlete than a polished WR. He showed great technique, obviously he's been training it. Though he won't be a true WR in Herman's system, it's interesting to see him show instinct after being a QB through high school. Kind of the same way Gardner surprised you guys in practice.

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm of 11 Warriors origins, just as some reassurance. I would never post on bucknuts or any other site where ignorance and small-mindedness rules, rather than debate, and information. I was driven to make an account by the input on 11w from a few posters on our site (@mman, @hail @rational, you here?) and out of appreciation for their input on 11w, i decided to do the same.

In summary, I don't condone the actions of some of my peers, please don't judge us all from a few posters, and I won't do the same to you.

On 247 Sports, UM and MSU "share" a thread. I don't check too often, but it is about 40% discussion and 60% flaming typically, and not all of it can be blamed on Sparty. Some people would rather sling mud than discuss and learn.

So, what are you all thinking for your 2012? Predicting 8 wins, but hoping for 9? I know that Braxton wasn't the height of accuracy last year, but he was a devil to bring down. I honestly didn't see a huge dropoff from him to Pryor, and he can only get better . . .

Let's say for the sake of empirics, we compare with last year. We lost to Nebraska, UM, Miami, Purdue, Michigan State, and Penn State. The Penn State, and Purdue games we basically beat ourselves. Let's say the offense increase by minimum 25% efficiency, which is reasonable. We win against PSU and Purdue, without QB controversy we beat Nebraska, and if Braxton makes deep throws consistently, we at least have a chance against you guys. Miami and MSU flat out beat us.

This year, we don't really have a nonconference test. So we'll say 4-0 by the time conference play starts.

If the offense pans out, we lose what I think will be conservative minimum 2, conservative maximum 4 games between UM, Nebraska, Wisconsin, MSU, and PSU.

Reasonably, I'd say 9-3, just because we won't have suspensions, QB controversy, or true freshman QB. We lose because we can't generate offense to the maximum of the system without a true slot guy or major playmakers, but with a deep RB stable, and production in the slot from Jordan Hall, we win games just because the spread gives us enough options that Braxton can win tough 4th quarters with his legs alone. I'll say 10-2, but that's optimism, and +2 losses, or +1 win, wouldn't be a shock to me.

Most "reasonable" M fans weren't honestly expecting 11 wins last year, but strange things happen. Also, you never know who will show up at the right time. Last year, after Posey had all that time off, I really didn't expect him to light us up. I knew he was a good player, but I just figured that he'd have too much rust and not enough chemistry. He really gave us headaches though. I'm also interested in seeing how PSU bounces back from the events of their offseason. Things like that can be distracting, but they can also lead to that "us against the world" team unity that can make a team tough. And then Wiscy with another "rented" QB should make another interesting Big Ten season . . . .

Id blame the Posey scenario more on the underachieving Michigan secondary in that game. He didn't play outstanding, but when you put a top class WR, chemistry or not, in a secondary that gets lost in coverage from time to time, he'll burn you.

I don't think Penn State will be great, but I didn't last year and they still had an impressive season, all things considered.

I agree with you on Wisconsin, but remember, this isn't a veteran, highly acclaimed "rental" like Russell. He's unproven, and worked in a terrible offense for the past year, where he became pretty much stagnant. Expect him to perform well under an excellent staff for player development, but consider him like a top-end HS prospect that needs grooming before he can succeed, only with two fewer years of eligibility.

With the good reviews for Ross, Resche, Hill, and whoever the WR was that won MVP, seems odd that all the Michigan and Ohio commits got the invites to the Openning. Seems they are just inviting the highest rated kids and not the best performers. Particularly since Marshal, Burrows, and Morris didn't even win MVPs today (although Morris won MVP for Elite 11 yesterday). Unless the selection process is independent of camp performance.

No surprise: David Dawson was their #1 performer. The rest of their list is surprising though. Their #2 performer was Malik McDowell (2014) from Detroit Loyola. Also making their list was Damon Webb (2014) from Cass Tech and Johnny Reschke. Another name mentioned that got a lot of buzz today: WR C'sonte York from Harper Woods Chandler Park. No Taco Charlton or Mike McCray which was a little shocking.

If you go take a look on the other thread on the NFTC, you'll see that McCray got the LB MVP for the event. Also, as you probably see above, Taco did get an invite to The Opening, so I think we did pretty well for awards. 247 is kind of a newbie site, to put it politely . . . .

I was there all day and got to see basically every prospect up close, field level. Shane Morris, Jaylin Marshall, Cam Burrows...were easily 3 of the best prospects there, by far. They are elite. Same goes to Jon Reschke, Ross Douglass, Billy Price, Taco, Mike McCra, David Dawson, Malik McDowell. They just stick out.