According to you guys, if someone has liberal viewpoints, they hate America right? So that would be about half of America, right? I guess the only solution I see is Civil War 2: Back in the Habit. I call naming the new country for all of us America haters!

for the most part yes. Not all but most liberals yes they hate america. Not enough to leave, not enough to change their lifestyle. They hate it just enough to tell everyone else to change, to tell other folks to do stuff to ease their own conscience and make themselves feel better or morally superior enlightened etc. They do not understand how things work, what america was founded on, what freedom is, what other countries do. Give me virtually any popular liberal idea or stance on a subject and i can show you how they contradict themselves and both times the loser in the scenario is america, THIS IS NO MISTAKE. underlying sentament is a self loathing or have guilt complex and yes they hate america. They wont admit it or publicly say it but their contradicting opions reveal it.

According to you guys, if someone has liberal viewpoints, they hate America right? So that would be about half of America, right? I guess the only solution I see is Civil War 2: Back in the Habit. I call naming the new country for all of us America haters!

I agree with Jamie, but I think libbies just hate government period. They might not hate America necessarily, but they certainly hate the government and how it runs.

I don't like how some parts of the government run and such. I'm not a huge fan of Bush, I'm more pro-choice than pro-life, and if gays get "married" and it isn't called marriage then I really don't care. That's why I consider myself moderate, because some of my views are liberal, and some are conservative. I would vote Republican before Democrat though. That's also why I laugh at you calling yourself a moderate.

According to you guys, if someone has liberal viewpoints, they hate America right? So that would be about half of America, right? I guess the only solution I see is Civil War 2: Back in the Habit. I call naming the new country for all of us America haters!

Mr. Sova I am replying to you only to notify you that I no longer desire to debate you in the tactics that you deam necessary to use, therefore I have now added you to my ignore list. Goodbye, and may your own little world revolve around you as you desire.

According to you guys, if someone has liberal viewpoints, they hate America right? So that would be about half of America, right? I guess the only solution I see is Civil War 2: Back in the Habit. I call naming the new country for all of us America haters!

Ahh youth...

Liberals ARE NOT half of America. Likewise conservatives are not the other half.
What you'll find is that the country is about 75% moderate (with a blend of liberal and conservative viewpoints), 10% liberal, and 15% conservative.

That's why the democratic party can't elect a president.

Oh yes I did say that.

Clinton was elected to his first term because Ross Perot split the "republican-leaning" moderate group. In his second term, he capitalized on momentum from his first term (largely driven by Reagan's economic juggernaut), combined with an ineffective opponent (Bob Dole). The lost more than Clinton won. Likewise in the last election, ineffective democratic challenger Kerry lost more than incumbent Dubya won.

The 75% of moderates want a hopeful president that will make their lives better. While there is some party affiliation, they'll cross lines where it serves their purpose. When things are good economically, they want a republican to make it better and keep it rolling. When the economy turns bad, they want a democrat to set up a softer landing. When the world is a safer place, they want a hopeful democrat to make it even better. When the world turns bad, they want a republican to keep them safe.

The democratic party lost touch with their constituency in the 70s, when (in the McGovern era) they went from the moderate party of the common man to being dominated and driven by it's most liberal elements. I'd offer that today Harry Truman would be a republican. They're trying to act like moderates (i.e. Hillary's media "makeover" from liberal to moderate) but they're still extreme.

Trust me, I know of what I speak. I grew up in a heavily democratic family (my godfather was a democratic speaker of the OH state house, my father was a democratic party precinct captain, I've personally met Hubert Humphery, Bobby Kennedy, and a host of local and state ). I watched my family grow more and more alienated as the democratic party grew more and more liberal (Micheal Dukakis? Geraldine Ferraro? come on.) and turned it's back on it's core constituency more and more.

This has resulted in counting on habit and ignorance to win elections. Mention eliminating the "straight party ticket" voting option and who panics? They count on automatons following union instructions and inner-city misinformation (just last week churches in Detroit told members that Dick DeVos would take away their right to vote) to drive votes.

I agree with Jamie, but I think libbies just hate government period. They might not hate America necessarily, but they certainly hate the government and how it runs.

I don't like how some parts of the government run and such. I'm not a huge fan of Bush, I'm more pro-choice than pro-life, and if gays get "married" and it isn't called marriage then I really don't care. That's why I consider myself moderate, because some of my views are liberal, and some are conservative. I would vote Republican before Democrat though. That's also why I laugh at you calling yourself a moderate.

Actually GM, conservatives hate government. They don't want government interference in people's lives. Liberals want more and more government because they want to control your life because you're not smart enough to do it yourself.

However, that is theoretical.

It gets messy when conservatives get caught up in trying to legislate morality (abortion, gay marriage, etc...) and lose focus. Although I'm proudly conservative, I get torqued that conservatives get distracted with these issues. I'm pro-choice and don't feel that gays getting married threatens or weakens my marriage. That being said, I also oppose "equal opportunity" laws that are basically reverse-discrimination quota programs and "maternal lawmaking" (i.e motorcycle helmet laws, seatbelt laws, etc...) and think we need to severely reign in ridiculous lawsuits (so why DO drugs cost less in Canada? it has nothing to do with George Bush).

A liberal is one who feels a great dept to society, a dept which he proposes to pay with your money.
G. Gordon Liddy

But really, I have NO problems with liberals. I have friends and family that are libs. Good and decent people. I will hang out with them, break bread with them and enjoy their company. I just pray to God that they never regain power. I also hope that conservatives can again take over the republican party.
I have many gripes against the in power right now. I do not agree with their spending and views on ILLEGAL immigration to name a couple.
I will however, support the party in hopes of preventing the libs from gaining any power in the house or senate. I have asked many and I would like to ask you Mike. If YOU were president, what would YOU do. I'm not asking for you to tell us what Bush and congress are doing wrong. I'm not asking what you would have done different. I'm asking what your plan will be for the country in its current state starting today. Where would YOU lead the country.

Remember,

We're at war
illegal immigration is out of control
N. Korea is testing Nukes
Iran pledges to wipe Isreal from the face of the earth
The recant tax cuts are scheduled to sunset in a few years
Judges are legislating from the bench
Eminate domain is stealing hard working americans homes from them
And there are muslims that vow to eliminate us as well.

My intent is not to pick you or your views apart. Only curious of your deep seeded feelings on how you think our great country should evolve. Please don't resort to insults as I truly want to understand you and other free thinkers.

Liberals ARE NOT half of America. Likewise conservatives are not the other half.
What you'll find is that the country is about 75% moderate (with a blend of liberal and conservative viewpoints), 10% liberal, and 15% conservative.

That's why the democratic party can't elect a president.

Oh yes I did say that.

Clinton was elected to his first term because Ross Perot split the "republican-leaning" moderate group. In his second term, he capitalized on momentum from his first term (largely driven by Reagan's economic juggernaut), combined with an ineffective opponent (Bob Dole). The lost more than Clinton won. Likewise in the last election, ineffective democratic challenger Kerry lost more than incumbent Dubya won.

The 75% of moderates want a hopeful president that will make their lives better. While there is some party affiliation, they'll cross lines where it serves their purpose. When things are good economically, they want a republican to make it better and keep it rolling. When the economy turns bad, they want a democrat to set up a softer landing. When the world is a safer place, they want a hopeful democrat to make it even better. When the world turns bad, they want a republican to keep them safe.

The democratic party lost touch with their constituency in the 70s, when (in the McGovern era) they went from the moderate party of the common man to being dominated and driven by it's most liberal elements. I'd offer that today Harry Truman would be a republican. They're trying to act like moderates (i.e. Hillary's media "makeover" from liberal to moderate) but they're still extreme.

Trust me, I know of what I speak. I grew up in a heavily democratic family (my godfather was a democratic speaker of the OH state house, my father was a democratic party precinct captain, I've personally met Hubert Humphery, Bobby Kennedy, and a host of local and state ). I watched my family grow more and more alienated as the democratic party grew more and more liberal (Micheal Dukakis? Geraldine Ferraro? come on.) and turned it's back on it's core constituency more and more.

This has resulted in counting on habit and ignorance to win elections. Mention eliminating the "straight party ticket" voting option and who panics? They count on automatons following union instructions and inner-city misinformation (just last week churches in Detroit told members that they Dick DeVos would take away their right to vote) to drive votes.

ha! another awesome post duff! i forget what you posted the other day that i agreed with but this is another great post! bravo..

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for the most part yes. Not all but most liberals yes they hate america. Not enough to leave, not enough to change their lifestyle. They hate it just enough to tell everyone else to change, to tell other folks to do stuff to ease their own conscience and make themselves feel better or morally superior enlightened etc. They do not understand how things work, what america was founded on, what freedom is, what other countries do. Give me virtually any popular liberal idea or stance on a subject and i can show you how they contradict themselves and both times the loser in the scenario is america, THIS IS NO MISTAKE. underlying sentament is a self loathing or have guilt complex and yes they hate america. They wont admit it or publicly say it but their contradicting opions reveal it.

that is the most incorrect, idiotic thing I have read from your posts so far.

I don't think that Liberals "hate America". But I do think that some Liberals have forgotten what make this country strong to begin with. They have forgotten that what made us one of the richest nations in the world is the ideal that if you're smart and/or work hard you can make a good living for yourself, but if you're stupid and/or lazy that you'll be poor. They have forgotten that the only reason we can care about the social issues they're so concerned about; helping the poor, the environment, education, ect... is because the smart and hard working people of this country have created enough wealth that we can afford to spend money on these problems.

I think it could also be argued that many ultra conservitives "hate America" because our freedoms mean that were free to do things that they consider immoral.

My aunt is a liberal and she always runs around telling the rest of my family how we are so harsh on the homeless (complaining about welfare) and how we sterio-type all of those sweet middle eastern people, so, at our last family gathering, I asked her when the last time she gave to charity was.