Some insights can totally change one?s perspective. One of those insights for me was learning that time had a beginning at the origin of the universe. (Oops, "beginning" implies a point on the time line, so let's change that to "a point of appearing.") If time came into existence, then the cause of the universe could not have had a cause, or a history, or a beginning, or a designer, because all of these require that the cause of the universe be located on the time line of the universe, which did not exist prior to the creation of the universe. (Oops, can?t use "prior to" because that implies time.)

1: "(Oops, "beginning" implies a point on the time line, so let?s change that to "a point of appearing.")"

Oops - the beginning of a time line IS a point on the time line.

2: "If time came into existence, then the cause of the universe could not have had a cause, or a history, or a beginning, or a designer, because all of these require that the cause of the universe be located on the time line of the universe, which did not exist prior to the creation of the universe."

Oops. Something external to this universe, such as a meta-universe, could create this universe and its time line.

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Thus, the question of who designed the designer is meaningless when it comes to the origin of the universe. The designer must be "it is that it is," or if "it" is personal, "I am that I am."

I realize that this twists one's brain into a Mobius strip, but it does make sense if you think about it.

That depends entirely on what drugs you're taking and how much you're using. ?Just a word of caution - ID is a very potent drug that has claimed lots of victims. ?It feels great at first, but it soon begins to rot your brain and corrupt your morals. ?I recommend you at least consider getting a medical checkup and attending a few ID-anonymous meetings.