In comparison to SD? Well as I've posted on here before, I had trouble puting much weight on SD, and what I did put on went to my waist.

So far on PP, put on 4.18lbs! AND, no bloat. I'm sure a little has gone to my waist, but not much. Another interesting fact is that during SD I did no cardio. With PP I'm do sprints on one day, and play soccer on another.

The strength gains haven't come in yet though

Side effects? A bit oily, BUT have no felt run down or anything as I was on SD.

In comparison to SD? Well as I've posted on here before, I had trouble puting much weight on SD, and what I did put on went to my waist.

So far on PP, put on 4.18lbs! AND, no bloat. I'm sure a little has gone to my waist, but not much. Another interesting fact is that during SD I did no cardio. With PP I'm do sprints on one day, and play soccer on another.

The strength gains haven't come in yet though

Side effects? A bit oily, BUT have no felt run down or anything as I was on SD.

PP so far blows SD out of the water for me.

Oh, I'm running 20,20,30,30.

Great, keep me(us) updated. I noticed my strength increases starting week2. I also seem to favor PP over SD, reason is the side-effects.

Strength: Yet to noticed anything major with PP. this was definitely better on SD. Still, there's 2 weeks left to go.

BW: As mentioned, for me PP blows SD out of the water. What is striking is that I'm actually doing cardio (sprints and soccer) with PP, did none with SD, but with PP am set to double the weight I put on with SD! Could someone please explain this to me????

BW is up 9.9lbsÖ.to put this in to context I only gained about 7lbs for the total 4 weeks for SD. Iím actually 1.3lbs behind target, as Iím trying to add on average 0.66lbs per day. So Iím 2 days behind.

Also, with SD at 7lbs, I had to loosen by belt by one notch. Still fine on PP. So although my waist has expanded, a good chunk of BW gain is going to the muscles.

Have developed a fair bit of a cold the last cpl of days since I upped to 3 caps per day.

BW: As mentioned, for me PP blows SD out of the water. What is striking is that I'm actually doing cardio (sprints and soccer) with PP, did none with SD, but with PP am set to double the weight I put on with SD! Could someone please explain this to me????

good log, Superdrol is a drier compound than Phera-plex thus you will see nearly all LEAN MASS gains with SD (provided your diet is on spot). Phera-plex is not totally wet but it is a Mass Builder. You'll see actually what you did gain in post cycle.

I started PP two days ago and I'm feeling like total crap... Is this the Phera-plex? Or just a winter head cold?

Same here, first week I felt a little "off" and even got sick after a couple heavy workouts... for some reason or another. Im now on day 13 and feeling just fine. Up 10 pounds and still crossing my fingers and waiting for any strength gains.

ya guys that was probally the only side i experienced as well but i had attributed it to the prostaan since many others have mentioned that prostan causes huge sleepiness, end of week one into week 2 for about 5 days i would be absolutely dead tired mid day but workouts were still insane. it came and went quick for me but this is the first ive heard of any cold like symptoms appearing. try roughing it out for a couple days hopefully it'll blow over quickly so you can start the enjoyment. by the way are you taking this alone, as part of a stack or just a booster for a longer inj. cycle?

sounds like it would be better to run SD first and follow up with PP with maybe a week of them overlapping. anyone think this is a good idea? AX recommends to stack the two compounds the opposite way and ive never seen a review or log with SD then PP.

sounds like it would be better to run SD first and follow up with PP with maybe a week of them overlapping. anyone think this is a good idea? AX recommends to stack the two compounds the opposite way and ive never seen a review or log with SD then PP.

Iím not sure what the split is between muscle/fat/water gains. But what I can say is that I look a lot bigger and everyone I know has been saying Iíve grown heaps, in terms of muscle. My wife had not noticed I had put on around the waist and just reckons itís all muscle. I beg to differ as my waist has expanded some. Apart from increased measurements, my traps and shoulders have also grown, however I donít measure these.

My gains on PP where more than double what I got on SD, despite actually doing cardio on PP 2x per week.

Also, Iím not sure it was worth going up to 30mg for 2 weeks, given my BW increase was roughly the same as my 2 weeks on 20mg.

My diet throughout wasnít too bad at all. I didnít just eat everything site, but did eat a bit of ice cream and chocolates when I normally wouldnít. but other than that it was pretty good.

Training was done 3x per week (full body work outs every time). Cardio consisted of 1 day where I did sprints, the other I plated soccer.

Mood/EnergyI felt very good on PP compared to SD. With SD I developed a cold almost asap, I was irritable, lethargic and tired. I was however more aggressive with PP.

StrengthStrength gains on PP finally kicked in at the beginning of my 3rd week, whereas these were noticed earlier with SD and were stronger with SD. I finally reached some new PBís on the overhead press and squats.

LibidoI would say that libido was slightly stronger on SD than on PP.

Fat GainMost of my gains on SD were fat/water. On PP, I more than doubled my BW gains compared to SD, however I would say % fat/water gains.

Now onto PCTÖ.

For the next 4 weeks Iíll be using

T-drivePowerFULLCre-Ethyl ThunderMatrix-Abs (with 7-OXO) Ė I wonít get this for another week or 2SesaThin/SesaLeanSuperCarb - I won't get this for another week

Iím not sure what the split is between muscle/fat/water gains. But what I can say is that I look a lot bigger and everyone I know has been saying Iíve grown heaps, in terms of muscle. My wife had not noticed I had put on around the waist and just reckons itís all muscle. I beg to differ as my waist has expanded some. Apart from increased measurements, my traps and shoulders have also grown, however I donít measure these.

My gains on PP where more than double what I got on SD, despite actually doing cardio on PP 2x per week.

Also, Iím not sure it was worth going up to 30mg for 2 weeks, given my BW increase was roughly the same as my 2 weeks on 20mg.

My diet throughout wasnít too bad at all. I didnít just eat everything site, but did eat a bit of ice cream and chocolates when I normally wouldnít. but other than that it was pretty good.

Training was done 3x per week (full body work outs every time). Cardio consisted of 1 day where I did sprints, the other I plated soccer.

Mood/EnergyI felt very good on PP compared to SD. With SD I developed a cold almost asap, I was irritable, lethargic and tired. I was however more aggressive with PP.

StrengthStrength gains on PP finally kicked in at the beginning of my 3rd week, whereas these were noticed earlier with SD and were stronger with SD. I finally reached some new PBís on the overhead press and squats.

LibidoI would say that libido was slightly stronger on SD than on PP.

Fat GainMost of my gains on SD were fat/water. On PP, I more than doubled my BW gains compared to SD, however I would say % fat/water gains.

Now onto PCTÖ.

For the next 4 weeks Iíll be using

T-drivePowerFULLCre-Ethyl ThunderMatrix-Abs (with 7-OXO) Ė I wonít get this for another week or 2SesaThin/SesaLeanSuperCarb - I won't get this for another week

Training will remain the same as on cycle.

I will update in 4 weeks time.

Um.......are you going to run nolva, atd, clomid or something like that for PCT?

Might I suggest instead of doing 3x full body you halve the volume and alternate between one part of your previous workout and the other?

Working the whole body 3x a week is OK when on anabolics but no one with experience will tell you it's not asking for trouble when in PCT.

Also, I mean halving the VOLUME, and not simply splitting the workout and doubling the sets. Keep the weights HEAVY and if you've been doing moderate/high reps, you might want to change that to lower reps and heavier weights.

The rationale for this advice is that in PCT your ability to regenerate your muscles is GREATLY hindered, especially at first, and then gradually recovers. On top of that, it will be the first time that you have this much muscle to maintain from your natural anabolic resources, and it will take some time for your body to get used to that. So this advice is geared towards exhausting your recuperative abilities as little as possible while tearing down the muscle enough to stimulate regeneration. Overtraining in PCT sucks major ass.

I've always done ful body workouts though and not into splits etc. I do low to medium reps ie. 3-5, working to a top set...i don't go heavy everyday, some days are heavy, others light to medium. what do u think?

Mond
Overhead press 3x5 then 3x3 (right throughout working to a top set of 3) - heavy
Squat 5x3 (workign to a top set) - heavy
Power cleans 8x3 same weight- light

Weds
Overhead press 5x5 woring to a top weight - medium
Squat 5x5 working to a top set - medium
Power Shrugs 2x5 then 3x3 with a top weight - heavy
Weighted chin-ups 5x3 sae weight- light at the moment

Sat
Bench 3x5 then 3x3 (right throughout working to a top set of 3) - heavy
Deadlift 5x3 working to a top set- heavy
Power Cleans warmp up singles then 3x3 same weight- heavy

I'd go for a completely new split man. Not that what you have there isn't good, it's just that it isn't suited to PCT.

How about something like

1. Chest, Delts, Triceps, Abs
2. Back, Thighs, Biceps, Calves
repeat

You can make a 1a, 2a, 1b, 2b workouts so that you don't repeat TOO often the exact same. You can keep a lot of the exercises you do right now, except group them together. Go heavy all the way, and limit the workout to about 10-12 sets, which is about half what you are doing now.

This gives you some variety while insuring maximum compatibility with your olypic-style lifting. That's why there are no direct bicep or calf work but of course you could remodel this so that it is included. OTOH you might want to concentrate on what you've been doing, as I do not know your exact goals.

IMO this split would give you an interesting PCT with enough variety to keep things interesting while letting your body recover fully from your workouts.

the above looks like a good plan actually and i can definitely see the logic, many thanks. when u say x3, i take it that is a top set....what about warm-ups?

I train at home, so don't have access to do some of those exercises....also i never liked cable stuff...on the bench..i work in a rack...and do bottom position close grip benching..i have done my shoulder too many times from wide grip benching