The Obama administration issued new rules Tuesday that require insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions  one of the most popular provisions of President Obamas healthcare law. The Health and Human Services Department also began to implement other popular, but expensive, parts of the Affordable Care Act. Regulations released Tuesday will prohibit insurers from charging women a higher premium than men, and will require plans in every state to cover certain services.

So, the ACA is still being written, long after it was passed. That is an abomination unto itself, that the House and Senate of the USA passed a bill that was not in any way complete. I’m not up on the rules of Congress, but that certainly it seems as if passing laws that are not even written yet should not be legal. Not that it’s ever stopped this bunch before.

Pelosi told the truth (for once) and it served as a warning, when she said it would have to be passed so we could see what was in it.

Great news. Obamacare is collapsing. Only 14 states agree to fund Exchanges and 30% increase in poverty level medicaid. Its is becoming clear that it is over for this program. And the Supreme Court ruled states cannot be punished in any way.!! 20 states have clearly opted out. Sabilious had to extend the deadline to opt in until December 15. It was embarrassing obammy how few had agreed to get screwed. This is wonderful news.Obamacare is finished!!

I had a discussion with my coworkers today about the “free” coverage. They thought that as more people got coverage the cost would go down. I busted their bubble by pointing out to them that more people would be covered but the same amount of working folks would be footing their bill.

I had a discussion with my coworkers today about the “free” coverage. They thought that as more people got coverage the cost would go down. I busted their bubble by pointing out to them that more people would be covered but the same amount of working folks would be footing their bill.

So now, a man who is not ever going to encounter pregnancy costs is paying for women’s costs for pregnancy. That is the main difference between male and female insurance costs. I know from buying insurance for employees in the past. At one point, we had five men and one woman, and hers cost more than the rest of us combined.

This isn’t insurance any more. It is just cost distribution...and there is no personal accountability on costs...each person gets services, and the whole population is going to split the costs equally. All costs will go up and scarcity will soon ensue, creating less supply, longer waits and even higher costs. Brilliant.

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posted on 11/20/2012 1:19:54 PM PST
by ilgipper
(Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)

“HHS said it will allow plans to charge a higher deductible in order to meet the technical standards for a low-cost policy...’Otherwise, the math doesnt work,’ Cohen said.”

The math still doesn’t work, buddy.

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What I’m wondering now is this: in cases where someone is paying premiums that exceed the cost of the Obamacare penalty, wouldn’t it make a certain sense to just drop your health coverage? Since pre-existing conditions can no longer be refused coverage, wouldn’t it make more sense to pay the penalty and then enroll in a plan if and when you get seriously ill?

The reason they want pre-existing condition coverage is to eventually complain about the cost of them. Some day these people will be referred to the death panels. The death panel will determine that your newly discovered stage 3 or 4 cancer doesn’t meet the cost/benefit analysis, and you will be prescribed pain killers.

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posted on 11/20/2012 1:37:52 PM PST
by xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)

The reason they want pre-existing condition coverage is to eventually complain about the cost of them. Some day these people will be referred to the death panels. The death panel will determine that your newly discovered stage 3 or 4 cancer doesn’t meet the cost/benefit analysis, and you will be prescribed pain killers.

And, they’ll use the same argument. Compassion. Out of compassion we need to cover these poor souls.

Future: out of compassion we need to ease their suffering out of this world.

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posted on 11/20/2012 1:39:18 PM PST
by xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)

I had a discussion with my coworkers today about the free coverage. They thought that as more people got coverage the cost would go down. I busted their bubble by pointing out to them that more people would be covered but the same amount of working folks would be footing their bill. They were quiet after that.

Why can't Republican politicians be as good as you at making a point on an issue?

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posted on 11/20/2012 1:41:20 PM PST
by Moonman62
(The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)

I feel bad for all the youth, and people after, who will never have known the joy of living in a country that was free, wasn’t completely broke and had a ton of cutting edge industries that served the population brilliantly.

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posted on 11/20/2012 2:27:26 PM PST
by Psycho_Bunny
(Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)

So do these rules not apply in states that have refused to set up Obamas exchanges?

Yes, yes this will affect all insurance companies in all states and territories in the country.

The next question to ask is if the ObamaCare waivers for 2013 will allow those who receive the waiver to waive off the Pre-X regs.

This has turned into the enslavement of able bodied working aged males. They will be doubly burdened by the normalized premiums, both by gender nuetral and age nuetral normalization.

Expect to see the numbers of uninsured younger working age men in this country to skyrocket over the next 5 years , to at least double the current levels. Paying the yearly fine will be substantially cheaper than carrying the insurance.

This is exactly what happened in Massachusetts due to RomneyCare, and it will now spread throughout the country.

I take Synthroid for a thyroid disease, and as such I take medication daily and will continue to have to do so for the rest of my life. I also need to have a blood test every so often to check those levels to make sure they’re where they need to be.

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posted on 11/20/2012 4:17:44 PM PST
by wastedyears
(I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)

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