Hence the complete team should be rebuild around RVP. But that won't happen!

I didnt think in 2010 we would do a Italy/France/Holland 2002, partly because of the younger age, and less players like Kluivert, Davids, Seedorf, Reiziger etc this time around. But it appears to happen again. Dutch arrogance, lack of hunger and a talentgap with the next generation.

Look at Midget, superstar status isnt good for him. Even though he is like Schweinie, and actually only had one good season(09-10) and he will never have a season like that again.

Holland has an insanely talented generation coming up, but to go from one to the next generation always delivers trouble. Partly to blame to a rather small population, cause thats what I like about Brazil. One failed tournament, and everyone could be out. Holland cant do that.

Though van Marwijk should have given more youngsters a chance in the qualifiers.

bastian will always be critical eyed, because his "important" game is no eye catcher

It is eye-catching for me. You on the other hand, Kroßchen, are only excited by even blonder Filigrantechniker of about twelve years old who are rather prettier than Bastian. Then, to be fair, you get very excited. Each to his own.

I dunno Fey, I thought he was having a pretty good first half of the season for instance. When he wasn't injured and Bayern were hactually good. Let someone like Bernd decide maybe? Usual avatar nonsense?

Fey wrote:Look at Midget, superstar status isnt good for him. Even though he is like Schweinie, and actually only had one good season(09-10) and he will never have a season like that again.

To be fair to him, I think his performances in his first season at Real were on par with the "triplete" season.It's just that less epic was built around them.

And now he looks quite washed out, but can you really put all the blame to him, the whole team fell apart and got dismantled, and he's got five different coaches with different training methods and tactics in the last 24 months.

bastian will always be critical eyed, because his "important" game is no eye catcher

It is eye-catching for me. You on the other hand, Kroßchen, are only excited by even blonder Filigrantechniker of about twelve years old who are rather prettier than Bastian. Then, to be fair, you get very excited. Each to his own.

I dunno Fey, I thought he was having a pretty good first half of the season for instance. When he wasn't injured and Bayern were hactually good. Let someone like Bernd decide maybe? Usual avatar nonsense?

Bernd is a biased c**t! We can't trust him. Besides, from when is the bet? He missed already too many games this season to rival his 09-10 season. And till when do we let the bet run? End of his career?

Betting avatars is lame. I was thinking about a few other things, If I win, you will buy me a luxury weekend in the Ritz in Berlin for both you and me. That includes the drinks in the clubs that we will visit! Or you handle over your bag of gold you have around your neck to me!

If you win, I will buy you tickets for a kraut game, and will buy myself a kraut shirt and will participate in all cringing kraut chants that one can hear during a game that involves die Mannschaft.

bastian will always be critical eyed, because his "important" game is no eye catcher

It is eye-catching for me. You on the other hand, Kroßchen, are only excited by even blonder Filigrantechniker of about twelve years old who are rather prettier than Bastian. Then, to be fair, you get very excited. Each to his own.

I dunno Fey, I thought he was having a pretty good first half of the season for instance. When he wasn't injured and Bayern were hactually good. Let someone like Bernd decide maybe? Usual avatar nonsense?

not for me

his game is rather pragmatic than spectacular, only exception was his argentina game

Kroß: He's a deep=lying central midfielder, I'm not entirely sure what you're expecting or who qualifies in your eyes as spectacular...?

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Allez les rouges wrote:

Kroos wrote:we still have özil

bastian will always be critical eyed, because his "important" game is no eye catcher

It is eye-catching for me. You on the other hand, Kroßchen, are only excited by even blonder Filigrantechniker of about twelve years old who are rather prettier than Bastian. Then, to be fair, you get very excited. Each to his own.

I dunno Fey, I thought he was having a pretty good first half of the season for instance. When he wasn't injured and Bayern were hactually good. Let someone like Bernd decide maybe? Usual avatar nonsense?

Bernd is a biased c**t! We can't trust him. Besides, from when is the bet? He missed already too many games this season to rival his 09-10 season. And till when do we let the bet run? End of his career?

Betting avatars is lame. I was thinking about a few other things, If I win, you will buy me a luxury weekend in the Ritz in Berlin for both you and me. That includes the drinks in the clubs that we will visit! Or you handle over your bag of gold you have around your neck to me!

If you win, I will buy you tickets for a kraut game, and will buy myself a kraut shirt and will participate in all cringing kraut chants that one can hear during a game that involves die Mannschaft.

Believe me though, you want to win. Cause I might appear to be an extremely friendly guy on this forum, im a bit of a c**t in real life. A weekend with me will drive you mad. I also want to go to the Berlin zoo, I heard its awesome.

But I wouldnt have picked him. But van Marwijk is very conservative, it was him that didnt really believe in van Persie when he was with us and prefered the likes of Buffel and Lurling over him. 10 years later van Persie is his only chance to give him so glory. Funny how it sometimes goes.

That said, Van Marwijk is (too?) conservative. But his not a dickless coward like Advocaat, or a grade-A megalomaniac spiteful c**t like Van Basten. Let's pretend the Van Gaal era never happened. I really liked Rijkaard's Oranje though - let down by typical Ajax flops.

If Karl bruckner is still taking jobs, I'd like them to hire that man. Fucking tactical genius, starts the most optimal XI, not afraid to make timely subs (sometimes even unorthodox ones), gives youth a chance, and forms the best playing team based on what's available.

True, but it was not thanks to van Marwijk. Rikards Oranje was allright, though I think that generation is vastly overrated. Hardly anyone of those had the will to fight, bar Stam perhaps. These days it's different...but lack quality.

Right now, Holland lacks a lot of talent, like predicted a few years ago. And like I said, if the Fey-jugends fails the upcoming years, Holland can prepare itself for a lot of quite summers.

Mental that Jordy Brouwer from Gladbach never gets a chance. And what did Bruma do to deserve his call, Rekik from City is better. Same goes for Mathijssen, Vlaar and Pieters. They dont deserve it.

Considering it's a friendly I would have selected way more Eredivisie players. Hell, its the 3th best league in Europe atm according to the rankings. Not everything from abroad is better. But from the players Bert picked I agree with Axe, though swap Robben for Narsingh and Huntelaar for de Jong.

Way more interested in the u-21 lineup naturally, heard Clasie might not play but if he does:

Very poor performance from Holland yesterday against a team that lacks any form of quality. First half was shite. Played way to compact, second half things opened up more. Mind you this has nothing to do with RVP out, instead of Huntelaar. Midget is the real problem why he is always so isoleted. Sneijder is a white man's Kluivert, get rid of him now, he will never be of any use again, I dont want this to drag on for a few more years, even the media finally noticed his poor form and complete lack of condition.

Defensively it was a shambles as well, especially in the second half with all the subs on, especially Vlaar was shite, thats because he is shite. I dont care if he is captain of Feyenoord, he is shite, he always fucks us over as well. Everything about him is cringing, he even called his son Xavi ffs.

Also not happy with van Marwijk, why take the likes of Narsingh and John with you, and not give them a go? Isnt that the point of a friendly? But result is everything for him.

On a positive note, van Bommel was very good last night. As was Robben from the left side, his first goal was the goal he should have scored during the final. You could see he is was pleased after his performance, he even said: ''It's nice to play under a coach who has confidence in you'' And you could see van Bommel telling Robben after the second goal ''Let the Germans talk, they only use you as 21st century scapegoat jew''