benebarba wrote:the stampede change was kind of surprising... I was fully expecting a 'growl will not be used by pets summoned during stampede', and maybe a 'they will not cast buffs/debuffs', but not a 'they will only autoattack'.

According to femaledwarf, it's at best 1.5% of a BM's dps now, and even worse for SV/MM of course. So a lvl 87 spell you can forget to cast and not worry about. It's basically a flavor spell at this point.

1.5% dps is about what you get from a standard 2-piece tier set bonus, and I don't see many people saying those aren't worth using.

Worldie wrote:I believe I've read in several guildes up to 5.2, that perfect usage of FF for BM is such a minimal dps gain that you might be able to skip it entirely and not notice any loss in DPS (other than being annoyed by the constant UI graphic aura).

Yep, especially if your pet needs to switch targets, and would take longer to rebuild the Frenzy stack.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

benebarba wrote:the stampede change was kind of surprising... I was fully expecting a 'growl will not be used by pets summoned during stampede', and maybe a 'they will not cast buffs/debuffs', but not a 'they will only autoattack'.

According to femaledwarf, it's at best 1.5% of a BM's dps now, and even worse for SV/MM of course. So a lvl 87 spell you can forget to cast and not worry about. It's basically a flavor spell at this point.

1.5% dps is about what you get from a standard 2-piece tier set bonus, and I don't see many people saying those aren't worth using.

Thing is it's a lvl 87 talent, and it was supposed to be a hunter's big "burst" cooldown. Not so much. It's certainly lower in the rotation priority now.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:Nope. Hasn't been that way for a while. The old aggressive stance would do that, set a pet on one target, and it would stay on it. The new defensive means the pet will go after whatever you attack after a sec or two. If you use passive, you can send it on one target, but weird things happen with that, and you wind up with a pet back by your side.

Our survival hunter was very successful in setting his pet to stick on Sul and Tortos this past week while he did target switching. I believe he said it was "Start in assist and attack what you want it to stick to then switch to defensive."

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

Flex wrote:Our survival hunter was very successful in setting his pet to stick on Sul and Tortos this past week while he did target switching. I believe he said it was "Start in assist and attack what you want it to stick to then switch to defensive."

Hmm, I'll have to try that.

The problem has been that Kill Command does weird things now. In Cata, I could always (for example) set the pet to Passive, command it to attack Blackhorn, and then switch targets to Goriona. I could shoot Arcanes and such at Goriona, and when I hit KC it would apply that to Blackhorn.

That routine hasn't seemed to work quite right since MoP (and the "KC-Sprint" addition). It would be nice to have a way to replicate it.

... the fact that more potential voters are swayed by a few trivial comments 10 years ago than a candidate literally collapsing is not a good sign and tends to indicate that even if Trump wins, it won't matter.

No electorate that stupid is going to survive long, one way or another.

Jabari wrote:The problem has been that Kill Command does weird things now. In Cata, I could always (for example) set the pet to Passive, command it to attack Blackhorn, and then switch targets to Goriona. I could shoot Arcanes and such at Goriona, and when I hit KC it would apply that to Blackhorn.

That routine hasn't seemed to work quite right since MoP (and the "KC-Sprint" addition). It would be nice to have a way to replicate it.

Prioritising the pets current target, then the focus, and finally your target (in case your focus target is the tank for MD or is dead) so you can always get it off.You could macro it further with a modifier to always go for your target.

Speaking about hunters, just random annoyance for removing Silencing Shot in 5.4 by Surv and BM (which are my hunter's specs as I really can't stand MM).

Suppose i better tame that healing spirit beast before the patch.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Shoo BM is for the win, no other spec allows me to play a EXTREMELY NOISY FLASHING EYES CAT pet.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

The huge wasp from Scholazar is better for being annoying.I actually had to get another pet for ICC, because one of our tanks (one of my few tiers as dps) coudlnt' concentrate because of the noise it amde.

The Tallstriders are pretty annoying - they shriek and squawk, like, all the time. (Also, the secret's out. Everyone is using these now. I used to be the only person in LFR and such that used them, and now I see two or three in every single LFR I'm in.)

... the fact that more potential voters are swayed by a few trivial comments 10 years ago than a candidate literally collapsing is not a good sign and tends to indicate that even if Trump wins, it won't matter.

No electorate that stupid is going to survive long, one way or another.

Nooska wrote:The huge wasp from Scholazar is better for being annoying.I actually had to get another pet for ICC, because one of our tanks (one of my few tiers as dps) coudlnt' concentrate because of the noise it amde.

Huge wasp was nerfed a long time ago..

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

The Tallstriders are pretty annoying - they shriek and squawk, like, all the time. (Also, the secret's out. Everyone is using these now. I used to be the only person in LFR and such that used them, and now I see two or three in every single LFR I'm in.)

The devilsaur thingie was fixed long ago as well sadly. Loque is the only EXTREMELY NOISY AND ANNOYING pet left.

I like banthalos as well (got it in Cata, at a very nightly hour so noone could kill it while I was taming it), but it's not annoying enough!

I believe nowadays the tallstriders are used for their AoE debuff, not for the squeak But I remember reading of a very pink flamingo somewhere (was it Mulgore?), now that we got 50 slots I might go and fetch that.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

The Tallstriders are pretty annoying - they shriek and squawk, like, all the time. (Also, the secret's out. Everyone is using these now. I used to be the only person in LFR and such that used them, and now I see two or three in every single LFR I'm in.)

The devilsaur thingie was fixed long ago as well sadly. Loque is the only EXTREMELY NOISY AND ANNOYING pet left.

I like banthalos as well (got it in Cata, at a very nightly hour so noone could kill it while I was taming it), but it's not annoying enough!

I believe nowadays the tallstriders are used for their AoE debuff, not for the squeak But I remember reading of a very pink flamingo somewhere (was it Mulgore?), now that we got 50 slots I might go and fetch that.

Yeah, ironic that Tallstriders and Sporebats are the most preffered 25-man raid pets...

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Worldie wrote:I believe nowadays the tallstriders are used for their AoE debuff, not for the squeak But I remember reading of a very pink flamingo somewhere (was it Mulgore?), now that we got 50 slots I might go and fetch that.

The Pink Flamingo is at the very northern edge of the Southern Barrens. There's also a nice purple one in Terrokar Forest (on an island on the very south edge of the zone), and a pretty-cool turquoise one in Swamp of Sorrows (near Bogpaddle).

halabar wrote:Yeah, ironic that Tallstriders and Sporebats are the most preffered 25-man raid pets...

Yeah, AoE Full-Sunder is hard to beat. I always keep a Sporebat with me too, as there are times I'm missing Spell Haste even in an LFR - are there actual good spots for its cast-time debuff too? (Horridon 4th door might be a decent spot, anything else?)

Edit: We need a couple more Sporebat models. They added a whole bunch of unique skins recently (my two favorite new ones are the red Arcane Wyrm in Silithus and a very pretty blue-and-white Windserpent in Stonetalon). There's like 30 different windserpent skins now and we're still stuck with a whole 3 Sporebat choices.

... the fact that more potential voters are swayed by a few trivial comments 10 years ago than a candidate literally collapsing is not a good sign and tends to indicate that even if Trump wins, it won't matter.

No electorate that stupid is going to survive long, one way or another.