I have a concept on which I am working in the perspective of the Greek word

Pharmakia...sorcery.

From this world we derive our word PHarmacy or drugs.

This pertains to the religion and spirituality forum as it is known that drugs and sorcery are an interegal part of certain religions and religious patterns in operation.

What I have been running across of late and only in bits and pieces..tell tale fingerprints...is the concept that the drug business may be much larger than most peoples can conceive..including myself.

That this drug business is very ancient and a huge business enterprise and it may be hiding behind legitimate businesses..and even have the potential to swing elections in nations by the amount of moneys it launders through these legitimate businesses or fronts.

If there is any truth to this idea...we are also talking about a religion here ..with rules and precepts undefined by and to the general public. Very much like undefined rules of politics and our political leaders. A whole substrata of thinking and belief...just under the surface of what most of us know or can even conceive.

What I have also been running across is the concept that many of our leaders may be compromised behind these drug operations and at very high levels. If so..many of our public offices and their peoples/equipments may be involved..in otherwords these government branches are fronts ..just like certain businesses. Wickedness in high places.

Any thoughts by the members here...on this concept. This line of thinking is new to me..but I was very taken back when stumbling upon the concept. That something could be hidden right in front of us. A stone among stones so to speak.

Any help or views on this would be appreciated.

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Orangetom

January 26, 20119:38 pm

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Drugs have always had a huge impact on society. Now why is this, apart from the momentary bliss, as it relates to the inquiry along the lines of how drugs and "religion" are connected (like the usage of peyote)?

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"at1with0" wrote: Drugs have always had a huge impact on society. Now why is this, apart from the momentary bliss, as it relates to the inquiry along the lines of how drugs and "religion" are connected (like the usage of peyote)?

The connection at which I am looking is the money aspect of illegal drugs. What I am beginning to pick up upon is that this business may now be large and sufficient enough to back governments of certain countries..or even loan them moneys...finance elections...and all of this through legitimate business fronts through which the may be operating...laundering moneys. If they can become this big and influential...they ...illegal drugs... may become a government unto themselves...concealing themselves through legitimate businesses which now become fronts for them...or fronts to facillitate their illegitimate business. I mean well known and respected businesses as fronts.

And these legitimate businesses finance elections and or political parties.

We have the makings here of a religion...a religion of business....the end justifys the means. Same thing as politics. Politics is economics. Make no mistake here.

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January 27, 20111:02 am

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I'm not an expert but my humble opinion is that it's not "in the making" or "may become". It's here already and has been for some time, that the institution of illegal drugs has some aspects of "bad religion"

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"at1with0" wrote: I'm not an expert but my humble opinion is that it's not "in the making" or "may become". It's here already and has been for some time, that the institution of illegal drugs has some aspects of "bad religion"

Yes at2with0, Indeed...what you state is pretty much what I think. And that it has the makings of a very bad religion.

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January 27, 20118:47 am

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Hot thread Orangetom..

As I believe because of our human relations
here on earth and to Christ, our genetics
can be a curse or a blessing within scientific
understandings of disease or health.

Pharmaceuticals by theory and conspiracy
have believed to have held out on many cures
like for things such as cancer etc. But in truth,
I do not believe they could stop the majority
of sickness on their own if they willed to do so.
We are simply past the point that nature
will not intervene in what is natural
and what is not.

They try to alter cell mutations.
However this goes both ways.
Many people that seek pharmaceuticals
are experiencing certain mutations, some
mutations we experience can be damaging
while others can be strengthening.
Within the Scientific communities we have
an idea of what is normal and what is not,
while most outside of it is said to need
"treatment". To stabilize. Normalize.
Control of genetic order.

It is said that since the beginning
there has been concern of pharmaceuticals
infiltrating the water and what impact
they may have on living organisms within
all environments.

"In 2009 an investigative report by Associated Press concluded that U.S. manufacturers had legally released 271 million pounds of drugs into the environment, 92% of which was the antiseptics phenol and hydrogen peroxide. It could not distinguish between drugs released by manufacturers as opposed to the pharmaceutical industry. It also found that an estimated 250 million pounds of pharmaceuticals and contaminated packaging were discarded by hospitals and long-term care facilities."

So pharmaceuticals have not just
infiltrated politics as we may all know, but
they have become a basis for survival
and dependence on what we have put
faith in as normalcy and health objectives
yet what has man brought into this world
that has not simply gone out of control
of a loving nature. Lots of it is beastly.

Now on the rise we have the initiative of
pharmacogenetics, with the goal to more
personalize medicine by differentiations
in genetics, pretty much a more
specialization of medicine believed
to be more effective on case to case
basis. Not so much blockbuster drugs
with each new drug accumulating billions
of revenue, but a more wide spread
revenue with many many many more
drugs to be created and disbursed.
New maneuvering in pharmaceutical
growth.

One of the ways they will go about this,
is pharmacogentics enables healthy targets
to become reachable easily through "preventative"
medications as tests will be greatly encouraged
for "genetically susceptible" disease and what not.

And when it comes down to it, they are only speeding
up time. As genetics try to be controlled and sustained
in a certain order, they will become further out
of control, further out of order.

Through it all, we all have the choice
of what order and image we are in, covered
with the blood of Christ there is no pharmaceuticals
strong enough to alter what or who we are,
there becomes no power or control of genetic
tendencies should our life belong to Christ.
But they are definitely giving the world a butt kicken.

"The Supremacy of the Son of God
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

January 27, 20116:12 pm

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"Pharmaceutical industry spending to lobby the federal
government exceeded $1.5 billion from 1998 to 2008, more
than any other industry
•The ratio of pharmaceutical industry lobbyists to
Members of Congress is approximately 2:1" ... n-Politics

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
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January 29, 201112:46 am

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OT,
You once showed me that politics is a religion which I whole heartedly agree with. Drugs, legal and illegal, are also a religion. As Sandra's statistics, and the constant news coverage point out, legal and illegal drugs are all about self. Legal drugs are about making the self better (not a bad thing in and of itself) but the money and power that these companies can amass is incredible and can be used for control. Illegal drugs are about making the self better by gaining money and power for control through illegal means. Not unlike politics, which is all about money, power, and control. We all know about the love of money, and the pursuit of power and control is in direct opposition of what the Lord taught.

I have come to believe there are countless religions and countless gods (with a small g). Anything that takes ones eyes off of Jesus is the religion of "I" which has its roots in the garden, and will lead us down Avenue Ishmael, the wide road.

On a side note, isn't it funny how the U.S. government's "war on drugs" has been going on for five or six decades and we are worse off today. I don't think that is by accident. The government is involved.

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"qmark" wrote:
I have come to believe there are countless religions and countless gods (with a small g). Anything that takes ones eyes off of Jesus is the religion of "I" which has its roots in the garden, and will lead us down Avenue Ishmael, the wide road.

On a side note, isn't it funny how the U.S. government's "war on drugs" has been going on for five or six decades and we are worse off today. I don't think that is by accident. The government is involved.

Dang good points.
And yeah what about this 'war on drugs'....
Whats really going on there.
Part of it I believe is a head fake, most
definitely.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

January 29, 20117:06 am

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OrangeTom, are you poking into the history of the Brits and the India trading company? How they forced the Chinese to accept opium and such? Then to bring it to modern day, the US is currently helping to grow opium in Afghanistan to support CIA black ops programs. Iran/Contta...etc...

Is this what you're getting at?

BTW, Bayer used to sell opium and cocaine was the reason for the name coca-cola.

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