A group of 18 people dressed in black, wearing masks, wielding steel batons and hammers and claiming to be extreme anti-racists allegedly stormed a suburban Chicago family restaurant in broad daylight to assault a meeting of alleged white supremacists, officials said.

Ten people were injured and at least three required treatment for head wounds as a result of the attack Saturday at the Ashford House Restaurant in Tinley Park, Ill., a quiet Chicago suburb. The restaurant sustained $15,000 in damages including broken plates, glasses and furniture.

Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies. Brothers Jason, Cody and Dylan Sutherlin, along with Alex Stuck and John Tucker are all from Indiana. The men are connected to the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement (H.A.R.M.) whose website now claims them as "The Tinley Park 5?.

Meanwhile the targets of their attack were about a dozen members of the Illinois European Heritage Association...

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Two of these victims were also caught up in the police investigation following the incident: Steven Speers of North Dakota was arrested on an outstanding warrant for possession of child pornography and Francis Gilroy of Florida was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon.

A restaurant surveillance camera captured some of the melee on video and Zabrocki viewed it before it was turned over to prosecutors as evidence in the investigation.

Because one of the diners had an unresolved prior arrest therefore it is legitimate to wish a felonious armed gang assault on all of the apparently-law-abiding diners?

Or is the prior arrest merely a distraction and an excuse for you to wish illegal violence on those with whom you might disagree?

Either way you have posted something that is worthy only of an ignorant, tribalistic savage, and is unworthy of a free citizen of a constitutional republic wherein rights of free speech and free association are guaranteed to all.

The white group should have known better than to assume they could flaunt their racism with a public meeting at a popular restaurant with no reaction from equally racist groups that virulently oppose them.

In the Age of Obama, I'm surprised the attackers were arrested. I'll be shocked if any of them actually go to prison but I expect the victims will be suing, even if the attackers have no assets. A very unpleasant situation for all concerned and a black eye for both the victims and their attackers.

As long as it's not opposed to the advancement of minorities in the United States, I don't see any problem with celebrating "white heritage" any more than every other group openly celebrates and promotes their own ethnicity.

Maybe I'm being naive in this instance and this group is racist. I don't know. But this "white shame" idea needs to stop.

Minorities actually owe whites a great deal, particularly in regards to crafting the Constitution and building America to a safe and powerful country where they can raise their children and prosper.

In your latest reply you have failed utterly to even acknowledge the substance of the criticisms you have received.

Threads discussing instances of apparent racism by white people always cause some FReepers to go retarded. That is because they are stupid and weak and have allowed the commies to infect their minds with commie poison. Already you are not the only (willing?) victim of this phenomenon on this thread.

It is possible to abhor racism without abandoning reason and civilization itself (e.g. due process).

Please learn for yourself how this is done. Others will attempt to guide you but only you can exorcise the commie demon from within your own mind.

How do the events described in the article give the “racist” diners a “black eye” in the figurative sense?

According to reports the “racists” discreetly organized a gathering of like-minded people at a public restaurant. No one at the restaurant knew of their “white supremacist” ideas. The attacking fascists had previously learned of the meeting somehow and conspired and illegally attacked the “racist” diners, other diners, and the restaurant itself.

Note that if these individuals DO turn out to be racists, I'm on your side, but let's wait for the evidence.

Hold on there, tiger!

You are saying (on a conservative board dedicated to defending the Constitution) that if these people dining in the restaurant are shown to hold political ideas that you personally find abhorrent, then you support their being the target of a felonious gang assault?

Really?

That's the kind of Republic you think our founders fought and died for?

Here's my viewpoint: In the United States, people have the right to hold and communicate whatever opinions they want, without having to be in fear of being violently attacked because violent people are offended.

This means that if somebody wants to say bad things about Mohammed, rant about "crackers keeping us down", or declare their dislike for black people, then that is protected speech, and they should enjoy the full protection of the law against any who would assault them over it.

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posted on 05/23/2012 2:58:36 PM PDT
by PapaBear3625
(If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)

I hear there's going to be a parade, right out in front of everyone, flaunting their Irishness. I mean, it's just for the Irish. St. Paddy's they call it. Doesn't get more racist than that. We need to go bust them up with baseball bats - maybe kill a few - that would be cool, huh?

Actually, if you try to lay a hand on me or my green beer I will put a bullet through your head. And if I don't happen to be carrying that day I will still kill you with a f*#@*ing plastic spork.

Cool, huh?

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posted on 05/23/2012 3:08:57 PM PDT
by Sirius Lee
(When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)

This means that if somebody wants to say bad things about Mohammed, rant about "crackers keeping us down", or declare their dislike for black people, then that is protected speech, and they should enjoy the full protection of the law against any who would assault them over it.

And yet everyone enjoys that full protection, except whites it seems. So far down the road from slavery and Jim Crow, apologizing and granting special rights and what do whites reap as a reward: a curb on their free speech rights and in turn vulnerability to attack.

I don't like it. No other country has ever integrated so many cultures and races so well and extended the protection of its laws so equally, more than equally.

Noobie. Heres something you need to know. The Irish are not part of any white supremicist hate group.

How about you come up with a list of white-on-black physical crimes committed by stormfronters, and compare it with a list of Leftist-against-conservative and black-on-white physical crimes?

As far as I am concerned, the stormfronters can TALK as much as they want about their ideology, as long as they do not commit actual physical crimes (which I define as harming the bodies or property of anyone, and excludes any "offense against feelings"), just as Nation of Islam can TALK their spew, as long as it does not result in physical crimes.

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posted on 05/24/2012 5:32:07 AM PDT
by PapaBear3625
(If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)

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