My Road To Being Me Again

Yeah, been thinking that I may have to retrain myself again. Damn this shouldn't be this tough! But my Dr. gave me a sample pack of Cialis to try. First one was pretty good, second one nothing. I'm saving the last one for this weekend while I'm on the DIM. I'm hoping this combination works for me.

If you are border line with E2, when using Cialis, take it 6 to even 12 hours before "event".

Thanks for the info janSz, I'll remember that. I only have one left so I want to make it count.

In the meantime, the DIM seems to have helped a bit. I really can't explain it, but sometimes erections are there, sometimes they aren't. Very intermittent and frustrating as hell.

Another injection again tonight as scheduled. I got my paperwork all straightened out, so now I can get to my Urologist as planned. I'm going to talk to him about working with Dr. John and see how receptive he is to the idea.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worse, I started this trip being a 1. No libido, severe ED, loss of muscle strength, tired, getting fat, the whole nine yards.

After 3 months on Androgel with no improvement, I'm now 2 months into my scheduled injections. I'd say I'm now a 5 or 6 at best. At least I am now interested and can obtain an erection, even if it isn't lasting or fully hard. So I'm getting there. Once I get my blood work done, we'll have a much clearer picture what is going on.

Thanks for the info janSz, I'll remember that. I only have one left so I want to make it count.

In the meantime, the DIM seems to have helped a bit. I really can't explain it, but sometimes erections are there, sometimes they aren't. Very intermittent and frustrating as hell.

Another injection again tonight as scheduled. I got my paperwork all straightened out, so now I can get to my Urologist as planned. I'm going to talk to him about working with Dr. John and see how receptive he is to the idea.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worse, I started this trip being a 1. No libido, severe ED, loss of muscle strength, tired, getting fat, the whole nine yards.

After 3 months on Androgel with no improvement, I'm now 2 months into my scheduled injections. I'd say I'm now a 5 or 6 at best. At least I am now interested and can obtain an erection, even if it isn't lasting or fully hard. So I'm getting there. Once I get my blood work done, we'll have a much clearer picture what is going on.

It is already hard work to keep things straight when you have all the tests.
Make the effort, get blood tests. Clean diet, low body fat, will give you head start.
Hmm.., I am using Androgel,
transdermals are most likely producing minimum of E2,
when you buy into the theory that abrupt T fluctuations cause increase of E2.
Androgel is expensive.
When cost is a factor, there are T creams at compounding pharmacies.
Many people are using too much T, then have E2 problems.
Have to look at FreeT, keep it just above 160 at first.
Have to get the right test for FreeT, there are many labs that do it wrong way.
Also, unsolved thyroid should be addressed first.
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If you can get a doctor to write you scripts for blood tests and T, you are half way there.
DIM, Armour Thyroid and Cialis you can buy over internet, if you have to.
You can buy scripts for blood tests from LEF, they are to be done at the LabCorp,
their FreeT stinks, so you will have to calculate it youself from TT,
SHBG and Albumin done from same blood draw.
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When SHBG is high, use
Avena Sativa Extract/Green oat, Urtica dioica aka Stinging nettle.
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I am not a doctor.

Thanks for the info janSz, I'll remember that. I only have one left so I want to make it count.

In the meantime, the DIM seems to have helped a bit. I really can't explain it, but sometimes erections are there, sometimes they aren't. Very intermittent and frustrating as hell.

Another injection again tonight as scheduled. I got my paperwork all straightened out, so now I can get to my Urologist as planned. I'm going to talk to him about working with Dr. John and see how receptive he is to the idea.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worse, I started this trip being a 1. No libido, severe ED, loss of muscle strength, tired, getting fat, the whole nine yards.

After 3 months on Androgel with no improvement, I'm now 2 months into my scheduled injections. I'd say I'm now a 5 or 6 at best. At least I am now interested and can obtain an erection, even if it isn't lasting or fully hard. So I'm getting there. Once I get my blood work done, we'll have a much clearer picture what is going on.

Your getting there still if you find your having a hard time keeping it up do get a script for 20 mgs of Cialis and take it every 72 hrs you will see a big difference no waiting for a pill to have sex and it will keep your BP down.

JanSz I don't agree with you on doing less T to keep E2 down some men just make a lot of E2 even if there not on TRT. This crap about levels from labs don't cut it one needs to dose by how they feel. Many times I talk to men with there T levels at 400 to 600 that don't feel well they have bad joint pain, Fatigue, no libido, ED, brain fog, feelings of Depression and some can't work. is better having a higher E2 and needing to take Arimidex or DIM to keep it down or being house bound and sick as a dog. E2 is a dam small price to pay to feel better. Hell I need to take 1mg. of Arimidex a day to keep my E2 in check there is no dam way in hell I am lowing my levels of T or HCG to stop E2. There is no way for a lot of men to do TRT and not have a problem with E2.
Phil

Your getting there still if you find your having a hard time keeping it up do get a script for 20 mgs of Cialis and take it every 72 hrs you will see a big difference no waiting for a pill to have sex and it will keep your BP down.

JanSz I don't agree with you on doing less T to keep E2 down some men just make a lot of E2 even if there not on TRT.
This crap about levels from labs don't cut it one needs to dose by how they feel. Many times I talk to men with there T levels at 400 to 600 that don't feel well they have bad joint pain, Fatigue, no libido, ED, brain fog, feelings of Depression and some can't work. is better having a higher E2 and needing to take Arimidex or DIM to keep it down or being house bound and sick as a dog. E2 is a dam small price to pay to feel better. Hell I need to take 1mg. of Arimidex a day to keep my E2 in check there is no dam way in hell I am lowing my levels of T or HCG to stop E2. There is no way for a lot of men to do TRT and not have a problem with E2.
Phil

I think the trick is to not look at T levels but to get decent FreeT level (160-250) and BAT.
With FreeT, even laboratories are screwing us up.
Many people have SHBG problem and should address that first, if succesful, it will result in higher FreeT.
The other, many people make frequent changes and the system goes hay wire, more E2.

My guess is that when you get your Adrenals and Thyroid under control,
you are going to be cruising just on HCG and half a pill of Indolplex.
It would help if you could get your body fat down,
fat is E2, (not really but close).

If one cannot exercise, fasting one or two days per week would be my second choice in controling fat.

And I am not advocating less T for the sake of E2,
I am saing that just right FreeT and BAT level will minimize E2 problems.
Start at FreeT=160 and think twice before you get it higher, but not over 250.
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All of the above is my opinion as of this afternoon,
it probably will change as the day passes by.
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Thank you for patronizing this board, I have learned a lot from your posts.

Body fat isn't an issue. I'm 6'2" at 210 lbs. BP has always been low-mid range. The highest I have ever had it was exactly 120/80.

I workout in the gym 4-5 times a week weight training. Matter of fact, I started working out in an effort to produce more test naturally, but it didn't help.

The cost of Cialis or even Androgel isn't a factor. My insurance covers it totally.

And finally, I've heard that extremely low estrogen levels causes joint pain. I've also heard high estrogen levels causes joint pain, so I have no idea which is true. But in either event, I have a lot of joint pain, especially in my wrists, elbows and knees. My nipples were so erect they hurt, although the DIM has noticeably calmed that down. A lack of sensation still persists, creating frustrating sessions with the wife. My testicles have shrunk some within the last 2 months, indicating I'm pretty much shut down. On the other hand, that was the first thing the Dr noticed during my initial exam, so I wasn't producing much as it was anyway.

So when I see my Urologist next month, I'm going to hand him Dr. John list of blood tests to run after being on TRT for 5 weeks, even though I have been on it longer. I expect to see low LH and TSH, high E2 and maybe SHBG. I'm hoping my T levels are adequate, or at least correctable via estrogen control, as I really don't want to go any higher on the T injections unless I have to.

I'm determined in my quest to get everything corrected. The one thing I fear the most is that my levels come back "optimal" and that my problems are now all in my head. I need to be successful with the wife at least once to make sure it isn't psycological.

Body fat isn't an issue. I'm 6'2" at 210 lbs. BP has always been low-mid range. The highest I have ever had it was exactly 120/80.

I workout in the gym 4-5 times a week weight training. Matter of fact, I started working out in an effort to produce more test naturally, but it didn't help.

The cost of Cialis or even Androgel isn't a factor. My insurance covers it totally.

And finally, I've heard that extremely low estrogen levels causes joint pain. I've also heard high estrogen levels causes joint pain, so I have no idea which is true. But in either event, I have a lot of joint pain, especially in my wrists, elbows and knees. My nipples were so erect they hurt, although the DIM has noticeably calmed that down. A lack of sensation still persists, creating frustrating sessions with the wife. My testicles have shrunk some within the last 2 months, indicating I'm pretty much shut down. On the other hand, that was the first thing the Dr noticed during my initial exam, so I wasn't producing much as it was anyway.

So when I see my Urologist next month, I'm going to hand him Dr. John list of blood tests to run after being on TRT for 5 weeks, even though I have been on it longer. I expect to see low LH and TSH, high E2 and maybe SHBG. I'm hoping my T levels are adequate, or at least correctable via estrogen control, as I really don't want to go any higher on the T injections unless I have to.

I'm determined in my quest to get everything corrected.The one thing I fear the most is that my levels come back "optimal" and that my problems are now all in my head. I need to be successful with the wife at least once to make sure it isn't psycological.
Thanks again for your contribution to my log.

SMH

Set youself high goals, but not too high.
You will not correct everything, but you will get 95%.
Learn to be happy about it.
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Example, when my pines is ready now, I have to do it now,
3 hours latter will not cut it.
If you are like that, tell your wife about it.
It is not your fault, do not accept any guilt about it.
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Set youself high goals, but not too high.
You will not correct everything, but you will get 95%.
Learn to be happy about it.
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Example, when my pines is ready now, I have to do it now,
3 hours latter will not cut it.
If you are like that, tell your wife about it.
It is not your fault, do not accept any guilt about it.
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No offfense JanSz, but I don't think wanting to have a normal sexs life again is asking too much. At this point, I refuse to settle for anything less than that. To do so accepts failure.

Will do bro. I got my paperwork in the mail, so I'm all set to see my Dr. in less than 4 weeks. In the mean time I'm going to start keeping a daily journal to write down the positive and negatives so I can tell him how I'm doing.

Injection went perfect. Completely painless. I actually had an erection couple of nights ago, which pleasantly surprised me. Gonna attempt another session with the wife this weekend...

On the other hand, I can tell my T levels are up as I'm starting to see some good gains in the gym! If I could just get this ED corrected, I would be one happy camper. I responded pretty good to my last Cialis, not perfectly, but pretty good. I've also noticed I feel much much better, both emotionally and physically. So I'm on the right path. Just need some tweeking I guess.

I can't explain it, but libido seems to be much higher lately. Erection quality has been awesome lately, but is extremely short in duration. I'm still not successful with my wife, but I am noticeably better. I've also noticed my nipples have calmed down alot. I have no explaination for it. I got off the DIM after almost 2 weeks as I noticed no difference. Now it seems everything is getting better.

Could it be that my system is only now adjusting to the weekly injections? After 2 1/2 months, I would think this isn't the case. Weird.

My appointment is the 23rd of Feb, and I'll get my blood work done to see where everything is. I'm also going to discuss if my Dr. will work with Dr. John. In the mean time I just keep on keeping on.

Well, bad news today. I dropped off some information from Dr Johns site with my Urologist in preparation for my appoint next week. He called the house and said all this is way over his head and that I should go somewhere else. He is too busy dealing with cancer, etc... to work with me.

I'll attempt to see if he will at least run the blood tests I need. If he will do that and give me another script for enough injections to do me till I can get to see Dr. John, I'll be happy. If not, then I'm going to be hormonally challenged till I can hook up with Dr. John!

I saw my Urologist and he has agreed to run any testing that needs to be done by Dr. John!!!! He also drew some blood to check my Free T, Total T, Estradiol and DHT. I forgot about fasting so he couldn't do my Lipid Profile or my CBC. But I got the ones I could, and will be sent the results when they are available.

He also gave me a script for more Test C to do me until I can get to Dr. John. He also will provide Dr John with a copy of my record as needed! So far so good!

So now all I have to do is save the money for the initial consult. And take care of whatever testing that may be needed.

glad it's working out... why don't you consider driving to see dr john? if loots tight you won't have to worry about the airfare. all the affordable flights for me were connecting flights so betweeen having to get to the airport an hour before the flights and all the stand by time i woulda been killing over 7 hours anyway

if you'll be going tpk to 80...i'm 1/2 hour off 80 at roughly x35...
your welcome to stay over

glad it's working out... why don't you consider driving to see dr john? if loots tight you won't have to worry about the airfare. all the affordable flights for me were connecting flights so betweeen having to get to the airport an hour before the flights and all the stand by time i woulda been killing over 7 hours anyway

if you'll be going tpk to 80...i'm 1/2 hour off 80 at roughly x35...
your welcome to stay over

bob

I am at Rt80 exit 41, I go shopping to Rockaway Mall (exit 35). It is about 15 minutes for me to get to exit 35.

This is good pov, just wait till snow is gone.
Any body planning trip from this neighborhood?
Total Distance: 674.1 miles, Total Travel Time: 9 hours 21 mins

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

"this is a good pov" what the hell does that mean?

cool beans

bob

Yahoo and Google cannot find Greenpond Rd, but West Milford is 30 miles north of Parsippany where I live, 1.5 mile from entrance to Rt 80.
I can see Greenpond Rd Newfoundland, crossing Rt23, but computer do not like it for some reason.
I have overlooked your search for a partner to drive to Dr John.
I am 67yo, 5'9", 160#, 10years retired.
I do not train hard, but I do 1 hour/week weight lifting under supervision of my chiropractor in Boonton.
He have a small gym in basement of his office, helps his sons, football players and some body building types.
For aerobics I dance, ballroom, WCS and Hustle. Nice way to keep in touch with opposite sex and sweat together.
I plan to get in touch with Dr John using my doctor, osteopath, after my blood test. Probably sometime in April.
I did not started any paperwork with Dr John so I do not know how that will go once I start on it.

What is stopping me a big way is my situation with high DHT and my enlarged prostate.

I, for sure would like to know his possible approach before hand, so far Dr John is quiet on this topic, AFAIK.

The idea of driving, specially with someone raised my interest.
Since you already have this behind you, possibly someone else will come around.

Welcome neighbor.
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pov point of view
AFAIK as far as I know
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I am from Poland, English is continuously my second language even after 35 years in USA,
even after designing, building and operating Nuclear Power Plants for all that time.

you ever use a rubber pecker ring? it'll work wonders for little jr there... even if the cialis gets a little bit of blood in your johnny-cap...the ring will keep it these and you'll feel like john holmes

I train hard 5 days aweek....i'm 50 but folks think i'm 40 or so.
google union valley rd / greenbrook drive that'll give you an idea where i am. i train at olympus in butler on rt 23....few miles from boonton..

too bad on the ride out to dr john.....would been perfect..

there was just a post on bhp and the use of botox shots to shrink the size of it...did you see it? says it works for 7-8 months or so.

the dancing is very cool....i always wanted to take dancing lessons....funny you were in the power plant business...i'm in power plants every day, fossil, coal, cogen, trash burners, refinerys.. ect. i'm in the valve business...selling of new...and the rebuild of safety valves, control valves, main stean stops ect...keyspan, pseg, con ed, tosco, hess ...all that

ok gota go...we oughta get together and shoot the crap about this stuff...whatda say?

Is there something to power plants and hypogonadism? I am an electrical engineer with twenty years in coal fired power plants. Surely there is no real connection. Just a thought.

Off hand I would not think so.
OTOH I had some (relatively small) radiation exposure, mine is mostly on Nuclear Power Plants.
Also work when double suited in high temperature may not helped.
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So SoMdHunter how far are you from RT80/Rt287 cross-sestion, or RT80 Exit 41(NJ)?

I train hard 5 days aweek....i'm 50 but folks think i'm 40 or so.
google union valley rd / greenbrook drive that'll give you an idea where i am. i train at olympus in butler on rt 23....few miles from boonton..

too bad on the ride out to dr john.....would been perfect..

there was just a post on bhp and the use of botox shots to shrink the size of it...did you see it? says it works for 7-8 months or so.

the dancing is very cool....i always wanted to take dancing lessons....funny you were in the power plant business...i'm in power plants every day, fossil, coal, cogen, trash burners, refinerys.. ect. i'm in the valve business...selling of new...and the rebuild of safety valves, control valves, main stean stops ect...keyspan, pseg, con ed, tosco, hess ...all that

ok gota go...we oughta get together and shoot the crap about this stuff...whatda say?

bob

If you do not know how to dance but want to learn, you are in luck. You do not have a bad habits to fight with.
Start with West Coast Swing because teacher is superb and have excellent set up. Phil Lamote.West Coast Swing
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then go for Hustle with Diane Nardone
but do not go there if you do not like being hug and kissed after god dance.

you ever use a rubber pecker ring? it'll work wonders for little jr there... even if the cialis gets a little bit of blood in your johnny-cap...the ring will keep it these and you'll feel like john holmes

bob

That was the very first thing I tried many years ago. This is a bit embarrassing, but the Dr. couldn't find one big enough for me. They were all too small, and very uncomfortable.

glad it's working out... why don't you consider driving to see dr john? if loots tight you won't have to worry about the airfare. all the affordable flights for me were connecting flights so betweeen having to get to the airport an hour before the flights and all the stand by time i woulda been killing over 7 hours anyway

if you'll be going tpk to 80...i'm 1/2 hour off 80 at roughly x35...
your welcome to stay over

bob

Hey bob, I'll most likely set up an appointment with him in April. I have enough FF miles to fly for free, so that will most likely be the way to get to him.

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

Well, it appears it is certainly time to go see Dr John! Got my blood work back, and one thing is for certain. After 3 months on 100mg Test C per week I am totally shutdown now, and my test levels are still lower than what I thought they would be. Here is what the results say:

Blood was drawn on the day my next injection was due and all tests were conducted by LabCorp.

These tests were done early morning when things should be optimal. From what I have learned, E is probably too high, and oddly enough, my test levels still aren't in the upper half, much less the upper third of the range.

Anyway, time for lunch and then a workout at the gym. I need to save money faster I guess so I can go see Dr John for some help.