Yeah the Operation Mainbrace case was as close as I could recall too, but the Nimitz case has two top fighter pilots going public on video and mainstream print media to describe the events in detail, plus two radar operators going public and describing the details from their POV as well, plus the first military footage of an object associated with the case going public, and the Pentagon's unofficial report via the AATIP about that event and the signature performance characteristics of AAVs in general. I don't think we have any of that stuff from the Operation Mainbrace incident, or the other USS FDR sightings.

Yeah the Operation Mainbrace case was as close as I could recall too, but the Nimitz case has two top fighter pilots going public on video and mainstream print media to describe the events in detail, plus two radar operators going public and describing the details from their POV as well, plus the first military footage of an object associated with the case going public, and the Pentagon's unofficial report via the AATIP about that event and the signature performance characteristics of AAVs in general. I don't think we have any of that stuff from the Operation Mainbrace incident, or the other USS FDR sightings.

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Different times, different attitudes about many things. Unrelated to any of this I recently read Twenty Million Tons Under the Sea: The Daring Capture of the U-505 by Daniel Gallery and the reason I mention it at all is that I had to sort of bend and tune my reading 'ear' to get around some of the language and views of the era, specifically about the US Navy. Suffice to say 'much more conservative than we are now' would be an apt description of the Navy specifically and military in general. A lot of weird shit went down after the war - 'revolt of the admirals' etc. I don't get the impression that an officer's career would benefit greatly from making reports - and as it is today to who exactly? Also consider the communication technology of the era - no one then could have imagined what we have now. As I have said in other threads, when I was a kid standing on the bus stop I didn't have an incredibly capable computer in my pocket with access to a global communications grid.

At the time of the Mainbrace incidents a good percentage of all personnel involved would probably have had some relatively recent war time experience and the planes they were flying were as high-tech as it got in the era. Without going to deep I found a couple of quick descriptions

A lot of time has passed since then but what I see (grain of salt in hand) is military encounters with aircraft exhibiting very similar characteristics to what we have seen recently courtesy of TTSA, with maybe some documentation at hand of the type available at the time. Multinational military sightings at that. Time has moved on, many of the people involved are worm food and now we have something vaguely remembered that has passed into history. Lacking some other revelation, some fuel for the fire, so will the Nimitz and related incidents.

When I hear about current encounters I honestly think reconnaissance vehicles using a radically new propulsion system, maybe something similar to what you have theorized. When I hear about them in vacuum tube, drum brake, cigarettes are good for you 1952 that isn't the first thing that comes to mind and I do wonder if there is a connection.

Whats the link to O'Brien's SLV project? I know there was a lot of hoopla about it in Sept, 2018 - but then it conked out with some technical issues. There's all kinds of links out there regarding it but they are links to O'Briens web site, his gofundme site, etc. Where is the link that takes you into the SLV project itself?

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its just a "coming soon" sign with a fancy sci-fi background, so boring actually that i din't even bookmark it

It's funny to see you wetting your pants about the materials analyses that they're doing - if just one of their samples is exotic technology, then your banal "Loki trickster god" notion will be flushed down the toilet once and for all, thank god. So now you're even making up fake news about them "cancelling" the project, lol, or "running out of time" - total BS. Scientific analysis of something like this takes a lot of time, but they'll probably release their results by this summer. The timeline isn't important - doing a thorough analysis is.

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again i ain't scared this has happened at least five times before (1950's disney ufo documentary,UFOs: past,present and future,MJ-12 and the UFO disclosure live show featuring rich doty and the mysterious "falcon", and joe's firmage IASA)
and guess what? we are still discussing UFO disclosure here, lol

The radar tracks in the Nimitz case are amazing because the objects were seen dropping from 28K feet to about 50ft above the ocean in .78 second, which gives an average speed of 24,000 mph, or about Mach 31. That's more than an order of magnitude faster than a high-speed rifle bullet. And they performed that maneuver repeatedly, dropping down to the surface of the ocean when approached by jet interceptors, and then hopping back up to their 28K-feet cruising altitude in the same .78 second time interval when the jets departed the area. The technology to perform such maneuvers is so far beyond any conceivable human technology that there's basically no room for doubt: those craft were extraterrestrial. And they saw fleets of them over the course of many days.

When have two top fighter pilots and two military radar operators - all attached to one of our most elite carrier groups - ever come forward with an account like this? Never, as far as I can recall. The Nimitz case is probably the most significant UFO case in history.

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what about the japan airlines case? i found that one way more interesting thanks to the size and shape of the reported craft

Yeah the Operation Mainbrace case was as close as I could recall too, but the Nimitz case has two top fighter pilots going public on video and mainstream print media to describe the events in detail, plus two radar operators going public and describing the details from their POV as well, plus the first military footage of an object associated with the case going public, and the Pentagon's unofficial report via the AATIP about that event and the signature performance characteristics of AAVs in general. I don't think we have any of that stuff from the Operation Mainbrace incident, or the other USS FDR sightings.

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the validity of the footage was never confirmed, it could definitely be an airplane

the validity of the footage was never confirmed, it could definitely be an airplane

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The video footage is the least interesting feature of this case. In my opinion it's everything else about the case that makes it the most significant UFO case in history. But the footage is among the first in history that we've seen of actual military footage of something associated with a very credible case by virtue of A.) the very credible multiple witnesses going public on video, and B.) the study of the case by an official Pentagon program and the release of that assessment.

Agreed. It drives me effing crazy that we've never gotten hold of any radar data from any UFO encounter. We need that data - it's the only meaningful scientific evidence that's available, and vastly more significant than any photo or video. Modern radar data is similar in significance to the particle detector tracks we collect at the Large Hadron Collider: it's very meaningful empirical evidence which needs to be studied by academic scientists in the public sector. And we footed the bill for all of the radar equipment that the military has used to collect that radar data - we have every right to examine that data for scientific study, and they're holding it back from us.

what about the japan airlines case? i found that one way more interesting thanks to the size and shape of the reported craft

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That's a quite interesting case, but not nearly as interesting as the Nimitz incidents. With the Nimitz incidents we have at least two top fighter pilots with impeccable credibility, plus two radar operators who were using the most advanced radar systems ever designed and deployed in the field, and we have the Tic-Tac ufo, plus a different domed disc-like ufo, and entire fleets of ufos performing radical maneuvers over the course of weeks. And we have the unofficial Pentagon report via the AATIP. We also have the blurry/shitty FLIR video, which is only possibly significant by virtue of its alleged association with all of the rest of that stuff - but it is notable insofar as it's one of only three video clips ever released by the military for public viewing in connection with this extremely controversial subject...personally I wish that people would encourage the release of more and better video clips, because I have zero doubt based on multiple credible accounts that the DoD has a whole lot of excellent video footage of AAVs performing extreme maneuvers and I want to see that stuff.

The video footage is the least interesting feature of this case. In my opinion it's everything else about the case that makes it the most significant UFO case in history. But the footage is among the first in history that we've seen of actual military footage of something associated with a very credible case by virtue of A.) the very credible multiple witnesses going public on video, and B.) the study of the case by an official Pentagon program and the release of that assessment.

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again, i have no idea where this "train" is going but i am going to follow it until the end.
shame there wasn't been any news about it recently

Agreed. It drives me effing crazy that we've never gotten hold of any radar data from any UFO encounter. We need that data - it's the only meaningful scientific evidence that's available, and vastly more significant than any photo or video. Modern radar data is similar in significance to the particle detector tracks we collect at the Large Hadron Collider: it's very meaningful empirical evidence which needs to be studied by academic scientists in the public sector. And we footed the bill for all of the radar equipment that the military has used to collect that radar data - we have every right to examine that data for scientific study, and they're holding it back from us.

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while we don't have the recordings themselves, we do have photos of the radar blips from the washington 1952 encounters and the already mentioned japan airlines case

The first picture depicts the Exeter case.
One of them depicts the Kelly Farmhouse/Hopkinsville case.
And another is that of the Papua New Guinea UFO/Father Williams case.
The rest are just random artwork as far as I can tell.

Well, it certainly touched a pop culture nerve. When people see something weird they can't identify they naturally go to the catalog we all have in our heads to try and find a close match, whether they realize it or not. People haven't been reporting strange airships with rivets piloted peculiar but human inventor-aeronauts for some time. The silver disc Venusian, Nordic, swarthy men knit cap flapjack flippers will eventually go away. Note first group were curiosities and the second usually had a message to deliver - coincidentally at a time when we all faced an existential threat. The next group will be more sophisticated and the messages will reflect whatever we're worried about at the moment.

When a little kid tells you they had bad dreams or are afraid to go to sleep by themselves or whatever, sometimes they make up stories that reflect what's really on their mind. We generally see it for what it is.

Note I never said there wasn't some real phenomenon at the core of this - but if you want to get to it you have to wade through all the rest.

And if the Nazis had a secret UFO weapon they would have used it 0n the Russians first, probably a second time for good measure and the rest of us after that.

While Paul Trent's "UFO" picture gets all the publicity - you hardly ever hear anything about the Rouen, France UFO picture. From the little bit of information I've found - it is noted incorrectly that it was taken in 1954. The correct year is supposed to be 1957. The only other info I know is that it was supposedly taken by a RAF fighter pilot. Does anybody have more detailed information like the pilots name, what type of aircraft he was flying, etc.? Thanks.

Yes it is a very common shape and has been from eyewitness testimony an ever present sight in our skies Nivek.
And the initial thought that entered my head when i saw them was that they were reminiscent of the old Trindade pictures ...
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But of course the 'Triangular shaped UFO' sightings seems to be just as popular, if not even more so over the last few years haven't they.

Cheers Buddy.

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Interesting comparison of the UFO w/ a twin engine airplane. I've also heard that the guy that took the pictures admitted it was hoaxed by cutting the handles off of two spoons and then gluing the bowl part of the spoons together.

While Paul Trent's "UFO" picture gets all the publicity - you hardly ever hear anything about the Rouen, France UFO picture. From the little bit of information I've found - it is noted incorrectly that it was taken in 1954. The correct year is supposed to be 1957. The only other info I know is that it was supposedly taken by a RAF fighter pilot. Does anybody have more detailed information like the pilots name, what type of aircraft he was flying, etc.? Thanks.

The consensus at NICAP is that the photo is a retouched or otherwise faked version of one of the Trent photos. Nobody ever found the alleged pilot, or any credible source material for the origin of the image. So there's no reason to consider it to be anything other than a modified/faked version of the Trent photo:

The consensus at NICAP is that the photo is a retouched or otherwise faked version of one of the Trent photos. Nobody ever found the alleged pilot, or any credible source material for the origin of the image. So there's no reason to consider it to be anything other than a modified/faked version of the Trent photo: