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Greetings, kindred spirit! I'm SusannahWithAnH, one of the admins on this wiki. I will edit pretty much anything, but I prefer to stick to behind-the-scenes stuff like categories, templates, images and the like. If you've got any questions, you can leave a message for me. If you're from another wiki or Anne site, you can also request affiliation here. I'm here almost every day, so I'll try and get back to you as soon as possible. Cheers!

Well, this would be long, I think. A really long time ago I wrote to that Message Box on GGF website that we here like that show and consider it a proper adaptation so we make pages for episodes, actors etc. Some time later, there was a reply from Marie Trotter and since then I was in contact with her - she provided me some info that I needed to upload on IMDb or here.

I wrote email to Marie a few days ago and asked for a permission to legally use their images. Good news! We've got it!

But there was something in her reply that I want to discuss with you. I'm gonna copy it here as there is no way to contact you privately:

"I have a request to make- we've had some concerns lately about our actors' and showrunners' privacy on the Internet. Several of them do not intend to pursue a career in acting or webseries after this show is finished, and therefore are concerned about having Wiki and IMDb pages. For simplicity's sake (and I know you've put a lot of work in the actors' pages), we're going to ask that you remove all the actor and showrunner pages from the Wiki and IMDb. Please know that we really do appreciate your hard work in creating a solid database of information! But we would like to keep our personal lives private- so the pages for Mandy, Chris, Ravyn, Eliza, Abigail, Tanner, and Darcy need to come down. I sincerely apologize, I would have told you much earlier had I known- but this problem only came up recently, from concerns from some of our team members."

About IMDb... I already replied, as I take care of all the IMDb stuff connected to AoGG. Shortly: There are only two options: delete all the cast and crew info from IMDb (as that is the only way to remove actors pages) or keep it as it is now (with no personal info, just name and filmography).

However, our pages... I'm not the only admin, that's why I want to discuss it with you. What do you think? I'm not really sure about what to do. I mean, HP wiki has a page for actor who played a goblin in the background and we would not have a page for person who played our Anne? But I respect their privacy... I was thinking about having a page with almost no information. No photo, no biography, no filmography, no social media links. Just the first sentence, imagesof template (link to the behind the scenes photos) and external link to IMDb. But I really wanna know your opinion so we can tell Marie what we're gonna do.

I have written out several responses to this, most of them not very articulate, so this is the result. Even though I never had anything to do with IMDb pages or GGF wiki pages for things other than episodes, I do feel partly responsible for this. I felt uncomfortable when I saw that you added FB links and things like that, but since I hate confrontations (even on the internet!), I didn't talk to you about it. Also, I've never contacted any member of GGF, privately or publicly, so I had no idea how they felt about it all. In hindsight, I should have checked before we veered into privacy-violating territory.

breathes deeply*

Anyhow, there's nothing we can do about the past, so all we can do is to try and make things right. I would argue that IMDb pages for cast & crew (cc) members are not really necessary -- we should keep the focus on the episodes and the webseries. But since I'm not familiar with the inner workings of IMDb, here's my suggestion for the rest of the problem:

I think what you considered for the changes to our wiki pages is good. Run them by Marie and make sure that she and the rest of the GGF crew agree and are completely OK with it before you assume or do anything. But if they want us to delete the pages completely, we'll have to do it.

You should've stopped me then! :D I was thinking about it when I added the links to Mandy and Ravyn, I wasn't sure, but somehow I chose the wrong option. I'm sorry as I'm the responsible person. Maybe our links were not the main reason for them to feel not safe, but they might have created an easier way for someone to bother them.

Here's what Marie replied: "For the Wiki- we're okay with having the actors listed, of course, but personal information really must come down. ... So in recap- IMDb can stay exactly as is, sorry for the misunderstanding, and on the Wiki, we ask that you remove personal information."

So... IMDb is fine. I'm not gonna change anything. And here on Wiki - as I suggested yesterday, I'm gonna remove all the personal info as they are OK with having pages here (without personal info, of course).

By the way, we should find a way to comunicate privately as it's kind of uncomfortable (at least) for me to discuss some delicate issues here where everyone can see it.

I think I have a solution: send me a note with your personal email to anneofgreengableswiki@gmail.com (which I run), and I'll reply using my personal email. If you want to use something other than emails, that's fine, but I thought it'd be easiest.

Hi Susannah!
Hope all is well. I just wanted to reach out to see if it's okay if I set up a Parent Page on the Anne of Green Gables Wiki. Essentially this page is a guide for parents to understand the age range for different books and shows! Here is an example from The Hunger Games to give you an idea of what it looks like.

Let me know if this is a possibility and/or if you and the other users would be interested in helping me fill it out since you are the experts!
Best,
Asnow89@(profile)•(talk) 23:14, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yes this is happening across wikia for video games, TV shows, movies, and books. We are choosing some of our top book communities to start with so about 30-40 book communities have created parent pages. This will not necessarily link from Books Hub BUT it will be linked from the Parent Page Hub.

We have a formatted template for you to use, but feel free to customize it as you like. I set up the template here if you want to edit on it. There are no restrictions, feel free to edit it as you like! Here is an example book parent page for The Fault in Our Stars as a simple guide. Let me know if you need any help filling it out!

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks! One more thing: What about the categories on the Parent Page Hub? Anne of Green Gables was originally a book series, but there are also TV series, films and anime based on it too. I looked around and saw that stuff like The Hunger Games and Batman were under several categories (I know that Hunger Games was originally a book series, too). It seems kind of silly to put Anne of Green Gables under four different categories, though.

Hmm in terms of categories, it would probably be the main ons- Books and Movies. We could also add T.V. shows and anime- but that's up to you!
Thanks for the tip about the Yu-Gi-Oh! I'll let someone know so they can fix it.
Thanks Susannah!
Asnow89@(profile)•(talk) 16:42, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

You won't believe this. But apparently... there will be ANOTHER ADAPTATION of AoGG. Hoooray! :D :D When I found the mention of it, I was like "Are you kidding me? This must be a joke!" However, it isn't.

So, the story is: I reblogged one tumblr post (a list of all those web adaptations - the one through which I discovered GGF back in May) and I noticed familiar 4 words Anne of Green Gables. And it wasn't GGF, it was something else.

Info: Still unnamed project will be a web series and as of this day is in pre-production. In comparison to GGF, there is a proper production company behind it (named Cracked Slate) that is made of 20 people. Now they are looking for a director and cast.

I don't know what should I say. Yes, it is exciting and all, but I already love GGF and it would be difficult to watch without comparing these two adaptations. What do you think?

I've heard of Cracked Slate before, but only in passing on Tumblr. I had no idea it was a company that's going to do an adaptation of Anne of Green Gables! Though I should have guessed it, really, from the name.

I think GGF is great, but I'd love to see another take on the story. Specifically, I think GGF relies too much on transmedia and secondhand reports and not enough on acting, writing and storytelling. (To be fair, they are amateurs with no budget.) Cracked Slate and Project AoGG sound like they have a lot of potential, but we'll just have to wait and see.

It will be very interesting to see another way of bringing the story to present days. You're right that GGF has no budget, but despite all of that they make really good web series. Cracked Slate, however, has 20 people who have degrees from literature, marketing and cinema stuff, so the production and script may be really professional. We'll see... I'm really curious about the name they'll choose for it.

All of my exams are over and I finally have a plenty of time - so I'm able to edit and contribute at 200 percent. I'm here every day, I know about every single contribution. There are few things that make me confused or I feel that they need to be fixed. Also I want to know your opinion on some of my ideas.
There is so much to say - I know I'll forget something and I don't wanna make a very long list. I'll write the second part when the other things come to my mind. So there are the most urgent ones:

Appearances

I see that you've added the names of GGF episodes to Jane and other characters. And that is one of those things I'm thinking about for a very long time. You know, we can't list the episodes this way because Appearances section would be way too long. Jane is fine, but what about Rachel or Muriel who appeared in many episodes of Road to Avonlea?

I visited other wikis in order to find an inspiration and I realized there are three options. The first one - creating templates. Like those we have for Seasons 1-7 of Road to Avonlea. With only one difference - links. Episode where the charcter doesn't appear would be without the link. Episode where he or she was mentioned would be with link. And the only with a proper appearance would be with bold link. But there will be many templates, it won't look good and we will have to hide them, so I don't like this idea very much.

The second one is putting "show/hide" next to every TV series/short stories book. However, it doesn't work very well. And the last option is creating individual pages - like that list of GGF episodes or character lists. So the appearances would be just like they are now, but the details (episodes and short stories) would be elsewhere. I found this option on TARDIS Wiki. It works brilliantly and I like it. So... I wanna know your opinion. What will we use? Or have you any other idea?

Cast

I wanna thank you for your edits on film pages. I wanted to do that myself, but I had no time and honestly, I wasn't sure how to categorize all those actors. I think films are OK now. But I'm curious about that change from recurring to supporting cast (TV series pages).
It's basically the same, but in TV terminology, they rather use "recurring". Many wikis use that word - it's more often and you don't have to think about that very much. (Wikipedia says that supporting characters appear in more than half of the episodes - when you use "recurring", you don't have to think about the half of the season. And you don't have to create another section.)
However, it is unclear when the characters is recurring or guest. I do not know it myself. When I added Road to Avonlea cast members, I sorted them to those 4 categories (main, recurring, guest and other). Many TV series wikis (where one season is 20-26 episodes long) list character with three or less appearances as guest cast. I changed it to one or two appearances as RtA seasons are really short. Wikipedia says, that "[guest star] does not belong to the regular cast" and "appears in one or a few episodes". They are usually celebrities. I think that two episodes are OK for guest cast in both RtA and the animated series.
And the last thing - cannery boys, workers, old ladies and co. belong to other cast. They have very minor roles and there is no need to add them to guest cast.
I've written very much - this would be the last point.

Akage no An

Recently we added pages for many episodes and I want to continue with Akage no An as I'm planning to watch it this summer. However, I can't find any info about the voice cast in particular episodes. And I don't know how to read Japanese credits. Apparently, the only way how to find it out is "watch the episode and write down the notes about people who said at least one word".

But there are also characters who don't speak (Billy Andrews). It's not like in live-action series where are real people and even if they don't say a word, they are in final credits. I think that we should add another section only for characters who appeared in that episode.

I wasn't really sure what to do for all the cast sections, as it's not an area I usually edit. And I wasn't really sure what to do for the film ones, so I just sorted it out somewhat to see your opinion. About adding 'supporting cast' to TV series pages: yes, that was unintentional (it was supposed to say recurring). I think I was doing so much editing of cast sections that I got confused. But yeah, the TV series cast sections were supposed to follow your model (main, recurring, guest, other). Whoops. :D

Your other two problems are ones I've thinking about for some time, but haven't actually thought of a way to tackle them yet. The thing I've been doing with the episodes in the Appearances sections is only a temporary fix, so to speak. Of course, it's not feasible for to do the same thing for characters like Felix King (who is in RtA, HCMK and both the animated series and movie). Templates wouldn't really work the way they do on TV series wikis, because we've got too many works (books, films, etc.), and it would get way too messy. The same with the show/hide buttons, as you pointed out.

I think the best thing would be to have appearance lists for each character/place/whatever, so that all the information is there, but not bogging down the main article. The page could be called (for example) "Anne Shirley/Appearances", and the link to it would be in the portal at the top of the page (along with "Gallery", "Study", etc.).

Character lists, like we already have, but for films and TV series as well, would also be good to have. That way, we could keep track of all the characters who appear in them, not just the ones with lines. It would mean a lot of rewatching and note-taking, but I think it would be worth it.

Thank you very much for your reply and for reading my very long message. :D

Well, the film ones are almost perfect. I'll just reorder the actors so they would be listed in the same order they were credited in final credits. I'll take a look on Road to Avonlea cast and change some things too. :)

That's exactly what I meant. I guess we can do it that way. The same with characters in Akage no An. :)

Hi! I just want to share my happiness with another Anne fan because I've ordered Before Green Gables from Amazon and it arrived today! So I'm really excited about that. It's pretty amazing book - I've already read some pages. :)

Now I don't have much time to read because I'm really busy (you know, it's almost the end of school year and we have a lot of tests, so...) and I have to finish other books. However, in July I will have time to read it, so I'll be able to add here some interesting facts from it. :)

I'm aware that not everyone knows about that book, so I guess we'll have to put references and notes. (I really don't like those references numbers, but after that accident with Ken Ford, I think we should add references there. At least for Before Green Gables and The Blythes Are Quoted.)

Yay! That's awesome! I'm so happy for you. :) I can also empathise, because midyear exams are almost here (we start the school year in February), and I have barely any time for extracurricular stuff. I agree the references are fiddly and look messy, but I think we do need them, even if they're only for sources a lot of casual fans might not know about, like the ones you mentioned.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I know it isn't Montgomery's work (and even HER books like House of Dreams, Ingleside etc. weren't as good as the first three books in the series - that's only my opinion), but I wanna know Anne's early life, what had happened before she was born and so. And I'll be able to add that info here, as it's part of Anne's universe and definitely belongs here.

Hi Anne1380, I'm LilyLacreag, the other admin of this wiki. You know, Susannah comes from Australia and she lives in a different time zone. Now it's a night in Australia, so probably she is sleeping and she can't respond to your messages. We are admins but that doesn't mean we're here 24/7. We are students, we also have other things to do, so we don't spend our entire free time here.

And this is just an advice for future, but I have to say that. I don't mean to be rude, but don't you think it's kind of rude ask these personal questions? And even demand the answer! She doesn't have to tell you or anyone else. I've worked with her for 2 years and even I don't know much about her. I know only those things she briefly mentioned in messages.

You know, I try to keep some anonymity and I don't share every detail from my life.

To LilyLacreag: Thank you. You said basically what I was about to say.

To Anne1280: I try to keep anonymity as well, because you have to be careful about who you meet and what you say about yourself on the internet. LilyLacreag and I do talk often, but hardly ever about something not related to Anne or the wiki. That's because they're the focus of this site. I know you mean well, and I don't want to jump on you or scare you away, but please do be aware of this kind of stuff in the future.

Well, I had to react - I usually get angry very quickly and that was one of that moments. That doesn't I hate Anne1380 or something. I just felt very uncomfortable with her messages and questions and I had to write that. As I said, I try to keep anonymity on the internet and I assumed you do the same.

Anne1380, you're very lucky that we are not that strict here. If you do something like that on bigger and better known wikis, local admins won't show mercy. :D They are very respected and authoritative.

OK ... so I must apologize that I'd apologize and from now on I'm more careful and Answers I ask not amiss and that I am very friendly. Way, here are a few members and administrators. who Are you after some time for me to become a manager or supervisor???

That's OK. You are new here and even though you should have known, you were quick to respond and correct yourself. Also, I'll say it straight: it's better not to ask to become an admin. If you want to become one, the best things you can do is have good English (remember that this is an English website, after all) and make regular, good quality edits. But please don't do things with the intent of being promoted, because often the best leaders are those who don't seek power. Right now, this wiki doesn't have a great deal of editors, so it doesn't really need more admins.

Er ... I'm not sure you understand. You don't need admin rights to be able to edit this wiki. Anyone who has an account can edit almost everything. I'd rather you learn more about this wiki and make more edits on articles and such before becoming an admin.