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Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

you are assuming that this series will go on extending another 2 years which we dont know for sure that being said
Now to counter this thread

First:

You have basted this theory on the Jiraiya=Naruto ,Orochimaru=Sasuke, Tsunade=Sakura and the old mythology tale Kishi got these names from.

Kishi only took the names and their animal association from the tale not their actual power or plot that to the point it might reflect in Naruto manga.

In that tale Orochimaru dies and Tsunade and Jiraiya lives happily every after that will not happen in Naruto bcos well Jman is dead and Orochimaru is alive ... My point here is everything that happens in that tale will not happen in Naruto so Tsunate using slug sage mode is totally upto kishi and not bcos it has happened in that tale

Jiraiya=Naruto ...Yes it was like that in the beginning but now naruto is more dependent on his Kurama powers we havent seen him use a toad summon or Sage Mode for a long long time (i'm not 100% sure but i think after fighting pain he didn't use it)

Orochimaru=Sasuke .... in the begining it was so but now he follows a different path ...he has Hawk summons his fighting style is different (its more raw power,spam amaterasu,susanoo stuff)

Tsunade=Sakura .... By your logic if the above 2 relationships are severed what makes you think this will stay the same and sakura will completely become the next tsunade with Yin seal and slug summons
After all sakura has not been shown to use half of the techniques that tsunade uses

Yin Seal:

Yes sakura has a big forehead -> undeniable manga fact
Yes its a good spot for Yin seal-> common sense after all tsunade had it in her forehead too
So Sakura will have Yin Seal -> Now you are stretching it too far

It may have took Tsunade decades(common sense considering her age) to gather her chakra to form the Yin seal

In the above pic you can see Tsunade didn't have the yin seal ....if you are saying that the head band was hiding it think again if she was fighting with her full power and would she have released Yin seal and the marking will be visible in her face
so common sense -> Tsunade didn't have Yin seal i her 20's

Also in the pic you have uploaded "I have been gathering in my forehead quiet some time"
quiet some time -> 2-3 weeks NO ...for years she has been doing that

The point here is "It takes many years to form Yin seal" so sakura having it soon is highly improbable If sakura has it it'll be after she's 30 odd years old and frankly i dont see that far ahead in manga

Genjutsu Bringer of darkness:

I have answered this in the other thread itself but i'll do it again

In the 600+ chapters in Naruto manga "SAKURA HAS NOT USED GENJUTSU AS AN OFFENSIVE JUTSU"

She has been shown to disperse it easily when cast by a non-sharingan jonin level ninja

Then your pic showing sakura identifying wood release from Yamato is not a proof for Sakura's ability to identify the 1'st hokage's juts's hand seal

consider this "if suddenly a tree or any other wooden things come out of the ground when the jutsu user did some hand sign" ....you dont need to see the hand sign to see its wood release,.... you can tell its wood release just by seeing the thing thats coming out of the ground its that simple

Being the Hokage and all Hishirama is known by all to be the only wood release user so you dont have to be a rocket scientist to find out its wood release(which anyone can do by seeing the tree coming out of the ground) and 1st Hokage's jutsu (common sense that him being the only Wood release user b4 yamato)

How are you saying Sakura will learn "Bringer of Darkness" ....from some scrolls she sees laying around ...hmmm being the 1'st jutsu i think it'll kept more secret and out of reach of anyone other than Hokages
or
do you think "Bringer of darkness" will be taught like this "hashirama -> his son/daughter -> tsunade -> Sakure"
This implies tsunade knows it already but that contradicts the fact she didn't use it against madara

Tsunade healed the entire konoha village, broke madara's susanoo with pure strength and summoned Katsuyu when she was split in half

I do not see how sakura will do something more epic than that and surpass tsunade

There is a lot of foreshadowing in Naruto, there is also a very direct pattern Kishimoto has been known to follow and while you say it's unlikely Sakura can surpass Tsunade because there is no proof, you can't deny that it's been stated before in the manga not only by Kakashi, but also Chiyo that Sakura has the potential to do it.

No one is denying the fact that Tsunade is strong, she has proven just how much of a powerful shinobi she is in this last fight against Madara, because it was her that kept the hope of defeating Madara alive for so long. Her healing abilities, and her strength kept the Kage's in the fight, no one is saying she's weak.

But, this thread is highlighting Sakura's potential and possible development. One of the many themes in Naruto is that the younger generation surpass the old generation. This has actually happened in a lot of cases already, we're seeing Naruto's development as well as Sasuke's development and already at such a young age they rival if not outmatch their previous sensei. So it's not completely untrue to say Sakura can surpass Tsunade when there's already been so many hints towards it being a possibility.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by nNoma

There is a lot of foreshadowing in Naruto, there is also a very direct pattern Kishimoto has been known to follow and while you say it's unlikely Sakura can surpass Tsunade because there is no proof, you can't deny that it's been stated before in the manga not only by Kakashi, but also Chiyo that Sakura has the potential to do it.

No one is denying the fact that Tsunade is strong, she has proven just how much of a powerful shinobi she is in this last fight against Madara, because it was her that kept the hope of defeating Madara alive for so long. Her healing abilities, and her strength kept the Kage's in the fight, no one is saying she's weak.

But, this thread is highlighting Sakura's potential and possible development. One of the many themes in Naruto is that the younger generation surpass the old generation. This has actually happened in a lot of cases already, we're seeing Naruto's development as well as Sasuke's development and already at such a young age they rival if not outmatch their previous sensei. So it's not completely untrue to say Sakura can surpass Tsunade when there's already been so many hints towards it being a possibility.

sry i'm using a mobile to reply now so cant explain in detail
this is my view in short

do i think the prediction in this thread is possible = yes its possible

do i think its going to happen = NO because its highly improbable and no hard proof is available

will i accept if someone says sakura will surpass tsunade now =NO

will i accept if sakura actually surpasses tsunade by doing something better than her and manga shows it = yes then i will [B]and i WONT be a sore loser saying kishi trolled us[B] you can quote me on this

what kakashi and chiyo told is "sakura may surpass tsunade"
has sakura taken any steps to achieve this after it was said=NO

everything you said is true but the thread says "possible" NOT "proof"

using logic....slug mode has a high chance to exist....and who else can get it besides sakura?? shizune? i highly doubt it

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

everything you said is true but the thread says "possible" NOT "proof"

using logic....slug mode has a high chance to exist....and who else can get it besides sakura?? shizune? i highly doubt it

my point is that anything is "possible" until the manga is finished

yes this thread says "possible"

and by your own wordsanything is "possible" until the manga is finished
its manga fact that k11 is running fast to help naruto so it is possible that sakura may die fighting madara(plz dont say she will beat madara i beg u)

now can i go on and make threads like "possible death of sakura" hmmm if did that i'll be called a hater,troll etc
do you see the problem and double standard here

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

yes this thread says "possible"

and by your own words
[B]anything is "possible" until the manga is finished[B]
its manga fact that k11 is running fast to help naruto so it is possible that sakura may die fighting madara(plz dont say she will beat madara i beg u)

now can i go on and make threads like "possible death of sakura" hmmm if did that i'll be called a hater,troll etc
do you see the problem and double standard here

Go to bed Gray Uchiha, you're obviously clueless about what has been discussed in this thread.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by thegame

Look, I think you did a good job piecing this together, but honestly... That she recognizes Mokuton means absolutely nothing. Hashirama was a legend, the founding father of Konoha. That Naruto doesn't think about it is, well, the obvious reason.. Hashirama, the founding father, only shinobi able to use mokuton (except Yamato, but he was unknown at the time due to ANBU association).

Any shinobi within Konoha knows him and knows his mokuton. Even Naruto, but he just never piece 1 and 1 together on that part. And that 2nd mizukage hint made me laugh, sorry it's no offense, but seeing that as a hint, I must give you some credit though, but I am sure you can find 1000 hints for anyting throughout the manga then..

Also " In the Team 7 which consisted in Yamato and Sai, Sakura was always associated with Yamato." Yeah she was the medical shinobi, so it was important to protect her, thus she worked with the captain. Besides there is another reason for this. Naruto is close range, sakura is close range. Sai is long range, Yamato is long range. This makes only 2 good pair-wise match-ups in the team. And obviously Yamato couldn't let Sai have responsibility for covering Sakura, we saw he even had suspicion on Sai, and when he wanted Sai to help Sakura, well we all remember..

All in all, good job, it was nice to read, and despite being far fetched some of it could make sense, but I don't really find much of it as solid proof, and a lot of the so-called signs are pretty far fetched.

Well considering that she is the only one from the younger generation that recognized Mokuton, means something.
Why didn't it showed the other ones knowing about it. Of course everyone knows about Mokuton, but about particular Jutsus that the Mokuton has, no one did know, only her.

Well, when it comes to that matter, you don't kinda find them.

True that but however it isn't the first time when she had association with Yamato. We've seen it in this war that she read reports coming from him, also the things related to Zetsu - Hashirama were connected with Sakura as well, when she identifies Zetsu as being a alter-ego of Hashirama. So hints are here and there.

Well, much of those things in this manga seemed pretty far-fetched and it came to be, so who knows, maybe in the end they will come to be, come not...

Originally Posted by Yuffosan

What about Ino?

Ino already improved her Shintenshin, her timing and her ability to take over not only human bodies but also animals, she doesn't require so much time to release the jutsu.
Ino was from the beginning a team-worker.

Originally Posted by u wanna die

i might agree with u convince me more

Well, these are in the beginning, maybe we will see others coming down the way.

Originally Posted by metallica9565

as far as I'm concerned the series is drawing to an end. I highly doubt Sakura is going to get any major character developing during the last stretch of this manga/anime

The game is not over until it's not over.

Originally Posted by ANONYMOUS 182

good thread with good explanations!!

Thank you!

Originally Posted by CoolFoo

You did a great job with this Chatte and I totally agree with you. Anything is possible and there are signs in there that could point to Sakura having abilities like Tsunade or even a genjutsu type one. She was known for having great chakra control and being a good genjutsu user and was acknowledged for it too. We will have to find out whats in store.

I find the development like this... Medical ninjutsu and superhuman strength passed from Tsunade as a prime development and afterwards this is the extra point where Sakura will surpass Tsunade, in using genjutsu.
But we shall wait and see.

Originally Posted by reizon

i thnk you should stop posting threads about sakura, cuz people dont give squat about her...

I think you should stop giving me advices of what I should do.
And as you see, there are people giving a squat about her, so you can take away your statement and put it wherever you want, not on my thread.

Originally Posted by Unbiased King

These are threads I love reading, ones that draw far from obvious conclusions from subtle hints of the manga. I hope you continue to make these threads.

OT: Very well supported argument. I for one would like to see Sakura unfodderize herself.

Unfortunately, I don't see a place for her in the story at the moment, but we'll see what happens.

Well, I always made threads out of the ordinary, if I may say it like that.
Well, it seems not probable, however until the manga is finished, we have at least 1% chance.
Who says it's not going to happen?
As I said, it's not over until it's over.

Originally Posted by Cosmic Path

I agree with you 100% on this theory of yours and i'm sure that sakura will surpassed tsunade and have medical ninja skills to a different level!

That might happen as well, considering that she really is a good student and fast learner.

Originally Posted by ForbiddenUzumaki

I could write down a huge paragraph of the good parts of this theory but since everyone already mentioned it before, I'll stick with a simple good job!

However, I don't think there's much time left to developed sakura, she will probably play a role with Sasuke but she's no match for the rest. I hope your right but I fear she won't get much attention yet I believe she will play a big role with Naruto & Sasuke. They are the main characters so I doubt Naruto is going to solo him while she ain't there to do anything and it will be a perfect time to show her power. I really don't see her interfering with Obito/Madara or even Oro.

Thank you. Well, of course, the time seems quite minimized, however, we don't know.
We've seen Kishi resolving all before with purely flashbacks so he can do it once again.
Hell, one of the biggest villains in this series mystery is being resolved by flashbacks...
So until then, we can wait and see.

Originally Posted by cptenn94

honestly i dislicked part 1 sakura, but that doesnt matter...part 2 is fine she is stronger than many give her credit for and there is to much hate for one character....i think that sakura will get the yin seal(which i think was taught to tsunade by mito(who also has diamond on forehead)) and she will probably become a better medic than tsunade, but i dont think much will be put on her becoming more powerful in fights....kishi has said himself he sucks at developing females, and he hasnt shown he will make sakura much better...that said i do think she will learn some genjutsu(maybe bringer of darkness?) but wont be as good as say kuranei.....i see her as a healer not a attacker(shizune for example).....

sakura identified the wood style because of 2 reasons...one is it might be taught in academy, or 2 she had access to many books and read of hashi wood.....(or tsunade told her stories of the first) simply put she knows about many techniques and that is why she iddentified it

all in all she wont learn slug sage mode, since she has less than kakashi chakra pool, and i think her develope ment will be more of a supprt healer role. i think she will learn some genjutsu, but not sure if bringer of darkness.......

good thread and its a shame that she is hated so much

Well, in part one Sakura for me had the comedic relief and she was there.. ok.
But in part 2 she really caught my attention not only because of her newly acquired techniques, but also because of how much she had matured.

Well, I find that thing with him saying that a bit of an excuse to be honest, but I won't develop this idea here, i'll do it in another thread.

Now regarding why she was the only one to recognize it when she hadn't seen it before, I bet my money on Tsunade and I think that's why she recognized it and knows more about it and can have more insight about it than the rest of the younger generation. So that's why she might've learned something.
Regarding the other things you've mentioned, these are just possibilities, that's why we should wait and see.

Originally Posted by uchiha asuku aliyu

well the major problem sakura facing is that she is a girl. To be frank sakura is quite strong but notice every other girl in the naruto verse is weak except for the one's with special d.n.a e.g tsunade, hinata, maybe ino, if not all the other girls who are just sakura are failures... Tenten, temari even ino, and again sakura easly trashes every girl of her age.. And lastly why people underestimate sakura is because they've seen how her other team mates (saske. Naruto) changed, so they all feel she's a weakling but see the facts, sasuke has sharingan. Naruto has the nine tails and uzumaki blood, and sakura has nothing, so i'd say even at this stage she has grown..

True and that's why she might become this powerful, in the end. We've seen Naruto's father having no special lineage, yet he got to be pretty powerful.
So why not another character with no special lineage should be getting stronger?
At least this would be normal. Cause else, Kishi really screws his own writings.

Originally Posted by Xaviour

If only if only

If only there was a slug sage mode...

Well, the Slug Sage Mode, dunno, I still think that's going to be Tsunade's.
But we shall wait and see.

Originally Posted by Rodukaime Namikaze

Thank you for showing me this
Well done and the argument made me rethink what I thought of her lol

Glad you liked it! ^_^

Originally Posted by KyuubiHatake

Sakura does have alot of potential to really surpass tsunade.
Plus she is one of the most observant characters in the series

True, her intelligence is on par with Kakashi and whoever says it's not, it's simply not recognizing her merits.
She understood Tobi's jutsu by seeing it only once. Later on Kakashi based on that and some on-site observations he noticed Tobi's jutsu (what Sakura has done previously) + that they have the same dimension.

Originally Posted by Mr Chuck Norris

Never thought of the Yin seal thing. + Rep nice thread.

Well, Yin seal it's a seal that can be taught.
Glad you liked it! ^_^

Originally Posted by nNoma

Great observations, the forehead similarities were something I never paid much attention to before this, but that's fantastic foreshadowing if I've ever seen it. What concerns me about Sakura's development the most is the current arc, and what Kishi's plans for the series are after the war ends.

If the series does continue after the war, what will happen? Will there be time for Sakura to develop as a character throughout the war? Or will it take place after? If the series ends with the war, will her development be mentioned? Will she be shown surpassing Tsunade? Or would it just be implied? These questions can't really be answered right now and it leaves me wondering what the fate of Sakura will be. My hope is that Kishi has a plan for her, because I would hate for Sakura to be left undeveloped unlike how Sasuke and Naruto have been.

If something is going to happen with Sakura, there has to be an event that triggers her development either in this war, or after it. Tsunade's death is just one possibility here, you mentioned her dying as being 50/50 and I agree on that, it's unknown what her state is at this time. But as I've mentioned in posts before Tsunade's death would be in my opinion the best incentive for Sakura to step up and shine as the main heroin. But I'm not going to continue into this further now.

Tsunade has been shown to have a great deal of knowledge on Hashirama's techniques as she can use his regeneration to almost the same level as he could. I'm also pleased you brought up the fact that out of the entire team 7 Sakura was the only one to realize Yamato's jutsu and how it relates to Hashirama. This is proof that Tsunade has been sharing her grandfathers techniques with Sakura.
This can tie right into your theory about bringer of darkness, because it's only logical Tsunade would teach her student who just so happens to be naturally adept with genjutsu this same technique.

Sakura has seen little action thus far, and I think that's why she's so underrated, but not all characters are going to develop the same. Naruto and Sasuke are special cases, they are both gifted shinobi, one has inherited Kurama and is the son of two very strong shinobi. The other is from the Uchiha clan, so of course for Sakura who was not born with either of these things her development will be slower. But I'm hoping there is time for her to develop further and get involved in this war as more than just a medic. Because I think she has great potential and if given the right circumstances she has the ability to surpass Tsunade, just as Naruto and Sasuke have the ability to surpass Jiraiya and Orochimaru.

Good thread, great read.

True, that is the only worrying thing here. In the current arc, to be honest, everything is a bit messy and don't know, you just don't know how to take things.
After the war arc, I see a continuation with Sasuke and Orochimaru, to be honest. I don't think everything is going to end in this current war.
That's why I said it, Kishi said so many times he wanted to end the series, yet he kept continuing. I even read an interview where he said the same thing or whatever, something similar, that after he said that he wants to end the series, came and said that he's not sure that he said so many times that he wants to end the series yet he saw himself writing more and more.

It would be nice to actually see her that she surpassed Tsunade, not only implied.
I have my thing with Kishi regarding these things, but I won't start stating them here. And the thing is that I am not the only one but whatever.

To me it might be Tsunade's death though I feel Tsunade is not going to die; to me, Sakura's growth will be her independency of her heart when it comes to Sasuke. Because as Kishi said in a panel, the power is there, the only thing keeping that power under control is her heart.
So I guess it will be either related to Tsunade if she dies, either related to her emotional side for Sasuke.

Tsunade has a lot of info on her grandfather's techniques, and as she said in one pal, Sakura is the only one in which she trusts besides Shizune, which was with her every single a child. And seeing how Sakura has access to things that were only meant for the Hokage, made me question myself.

The potential is there, because out of the 3, Sakura has been noticed to be the one who learns the quickest, given her intelligence and chakra control, so this wouldn't be a problem for Kishi.
And not only once Sakura has been noted for her intelligence and quick learning.
So hopefully, we will get to see something.
Glad you enjoyed the read! ^_^

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

first of all good effort :ice:

you are assuming that this series will go on extending another 2 years which we dont know for sure that being said
Now to counter this thread

First:

You have basted this theory on the Jiraiya=Naruto ,Orochimaru=Sasuke, Tsunade=Sakura and the old mythology tale Kishi got these names from.

Kishi only took the names and their animal association from the tale not their actual power or plot that to the point it might reflect in Naruto manga.

In that tale Orochimaru dies and Tsunade and Jiraiya lives happily every after that will not happen in Naruto bcos well Jman is dead and Orochimaru is alive ... My point here is everything that happens in that tale will not happen in Naruto so Tsunate using slug sage mode is totally upto kishi and not bcos it has happened in that tale

Jiraiya=Naruto ...Yes it was like that in the beginning but now naruto is more dependent on his Kurama powers we havent seen him use a toad summon or Sage Mode for a long long time (i'm not 100% sure but i think after fighting pain he didn't use it)

Orochimaru=Sasuke .... in the begining it was so but now he follows a different path ...he has Hawk summons his fighting style is different (its more raw power,spam amaterasu,susanoo stuff)

Tsunade=Sakura .... By your logic if the above 2 relationships are severed what makes you think this will stay the same and sakura will completely become the next tsunade with Yin seal and slug summons
After all sakura has not been shown to use half of the techniques that tsunade uses

Yin Seal:

Yes sakura has a big forehead -> undeniable manga fact
Yes its a good spot for Yin seal-> common sense after all tsunade had it in her forehead too
So Sakura will have Yin Seal -> Now you are stretching it too far

It may have took Tsunade decades(common sense considering her age) to gather her chakra to form the Yin seal

In the above pic you can see Tsunade didn't have the yin seal ....if you are saying that the head band was hiding it think again if she was fighting with her full power and would she have released Yin seal and the marking will be visible in her face
so common sense -> Tsunade didn't have Yin seal i her 20's

Also in the pic you have uploaded "I have been gathering in my forehead quiet some time"
quiet some time -> 2-3 weeks NO ...for years she has been doing that

The point here is "It takes many years to form Yin seal" so sakura having it soon is highly improbable If sakura has it it'll be after she's 30 odd years old and frankly i dont see that far ahead in manga

Genjutsu Bringer of darkness:

I have answered this in the other thread itself but i'll do it again

In the 600+ chapters in Naruto manga "SAKURA HAS NOT USED GENJUTSU AS AN OFFENSIVE JUTSU"

She has been shown to disperse it easily when cast by a non-sharingan jonin level ninja

Then your pic showing sakura identifying wood release from Yamato is not a proof for Sakura's ability to identify the 1'st hokage's juts's hand seal

consider this "if suddenly a tree or any other wooden things come out of the ground when the jutsu user did some hand sign" ....you dont need to see the hand sign to see its wood release,.... you can tell its wood release just by seeing the thing thats coming out of the ground its that simple

Being the Hokage and all Hishirama is known by all to be the only wood release user so you dont have to be a rocket scientist to find out its wood release(which anyone can do by seeing the tree coming out of the ground) and 1st Hokage's jutsu (common sense that him being the only Wood release user b4 yamato)

How are you saying Sakura will learn "Bringer of Darkness" ....from some scrolls she sees laying around ...hmmm being the 1'st jutsu i think it'll kept more secret and out of reach of anyone other than Hokages
or
do you think "Bringer of darkness" will be taught like this "hashirama -> his son/daughter -> tsunade -> Sakure"
This implies tsunade knows it already but that contradicts the fact she didn't use it against madara

Tsunade healed the entire konoha village, broke madara's susanoo with pure strength and summoned Katsuyu when she was split in half

I do not see how sakura will do something more epic than that and surpass tsunade

I am not assuming, sorry, I am just stating what Kishi said himself in one of his interviews.

Uhm, no, I didn't based that on the mythology.
I know from where the mythology is taken, trust me.
That's why I have to disagree with you, Kishi tool also the powers. The Snake magic, the Toad magic and the Slug Magic.
And what do we have until now? The Toad magic (Toad Sage Mode), the Snake magic (Dragon Sage Mode) and one to come...
And you're going to tell me that it's not the Slug magic (Slug Sage Mode)?

Of course Kishi didn't copy everything from that tale, just the basics.

Actually, from a certain point of view, the love one, since you said about it, kinda had it's basis there as well, the fact that Tsunade said Jiraiya won't have to chase her anymore or something like that. But of course, J-man is dead now, but that plays another part.

Well, the associations I made, are clear. I said prime development, second and the third one we all know that it's on their own way.
That's why I came with the genjutsu usage. This would be Sakura's development which would be different and would walk on her own path, different than the masters like happened with the others two.

I thought that was clear enough, but seems like not.

Regarding the Yin seal, you have a thing there, however, must I remind you that Sakura is a fast learner?
And no, when Tsunade releases Sozo Saisei from her Yin Seal, the markings didn't last, just for few seconds.
In the scan I have you Tsunade's markings were already gone.
Plus, at that time, being out of war, Tsunade's chakra has considerably deteriorated. We can see the difference now that she's in action.
So no, sorry, but that's not an excuse for Sakura not getting the Yin Seal.

I think I made it pretty clear with Sakura's offensive genjutsu, didn't I?

With the rocket-scientism regarding Sakura knowing Hashirama's wood release I explained it already.
It doesn't imply that Tsunade has it already or knows it. It just implies that she might've told Sakura and Sakura study it for herself.
You're a bit annoyed why?
Isn't Sakura's right to surpass her master?
Why the others could and she cannot?
Oh, right, because she doesn't have a monster sealed in her and she's not from any heritage.
Yet people dismiss her other qualities that might bring her on the top.

Originally Posted by Braveknight

Your just predicting not proving therefore your thread is invalid

About the forehead no comment but it's all just pridicting a low possibility since as far as I know it's a senju jutsu

About gengetsu she only dispelled one low levels genjutsu in all the manga what kakashi said was to make her happy

Won't point out all the flaw in your fan based thread.

You're just here to bash so your opinion is invalid.
End of discussion.
It's an Uzumaki jutsu, your high smartness, it was first shown with Mito Uzumaki then Tsunade.
And Uzumaki sealing jutsus can be learned by non-uzumakis or big lineage characters.
See Minato.

Originally Posted by Furtuna

Yet, Sakura is a small model of Tsunade because Tsunade has the Blood. You see that see has been cut in half but yet she can help other kage to survive!!!

I already explained this.
Tsunade has diluted blood from not only a Senju, an Uzumaki too. And they were the grandparents, not the parents, so some of the connection were still weakened.
However, Tsunade it's highly resistant.
Not to mention that the refference was more made for Naruto rather than Tsunade.
But that's another story.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

sry i'm using a mobile to reply now so cant explain in detail
this is my view in short

do i think the prediction in this thread is possible = yes its possible

do i think its going to happen = NO because its highly improbable and no hard proof is available

will i accept if someone says sakura will surpass tsunade now =NO

will i accept if sakura actually surpasses tsunade by doing something better than her and manga shows it = yes then i will and i WONT be a sore loser saying kishi trolled us you can quote me on this

what kakashi and chiyo told is "sakura may surpass tsunade"
has sakura taken any steps to achieve this after it was said=NO

1. Foreshadowing and patterns has shown throughout the manga to transform themselves in proof.

2. That's why it's called theory in here and we have the hints which serve at proof that this is probable.

3. The single fact that you say you're not accept the fact that Sakura will surpass Tsunade shows that simply you're denying everything.

And the whole foreshadowing/pattern/hints has been used not only by Kishi, but we can see this in real life.

As before, you just deny everything you see and shows you're not open to those possibilities.
As I said before, if we would talk about any other character the views would've been different, and this is not just about you, it's for the majority, but as I said, because we're talking about Sakura, everyone denies it.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

I am not assuming, sorry, I am just stating what Kishi said himself in one of his interviews.

in what interview did kishi say he will continue naruto for 2-3 years more

Originally Posted by Chatte

Uhm, no, I didn't based that on the mythology. I know from where the mythology is taken, trust me.
That's why I have to disagree with you, Kishi tool also the powers. The Snake magic, the Toad magic and the Slug Magic.
And what do we have until now? The Toad magic (Toad Sage Mode), the Snake magic (Dragon Sage Mode) and one to come...
And you're going to tell me that it's not the Slug magic (Slug Sage Mode)?

Of course Kishi didn't copy everything from that tale, just the basics.

Actually, from a certain point of view, the love one, since you said about it, kinda had it's basis there as well, the fact that Tsunade said Jiraiya won't have to chase her anymore or something like that. But of course, J-man is dead now, but that plays another part.

I know from where the mythology is taken, trust me.

^ then it would be easy for you to understand that
toad magic,snake magis,slug magic =/= respective SM
the names and the animal summons are the only thing similar not the actual power as i said b4
and again as i said it was not love between Jman and Tsunade as the love stated in the folklore

Originally Posted by Chatte

Well, the associations I made, are clear. I said prime development, second and the third one we all know that it's on their own way.
That's why I came with the genjutsu usage. This would be Sakura's development which would be different and would walk on her own path, different than the masters like happened with the others two.
I thought that was clear enough, but seems like not.

NO i understood but thats exactly why i disagreed with the Yin seal

Sakura's first phase of development were from Tsunade i.e the medical ninjutsu and monstrous strength (i dont remember the name)

so her further development should not be anything concerning tsunade by your logic above said above then why have you included Yin seal which is a jutsu of Tsunade and Bringer of darkness that you expect would be handed down to her by tsunade(by the statement you make below)

Originally Posted by Chatte

Regarding the Yin seal, you have a thing there, however, must I remind you that Sakura is a fast learner?
And no, when Tsunade releases Sozo Saisei from her Yin Seal, the markings didn't last, just for few seconds.
In the scan I have you Tsunade's markings were already gone.
Plus, at that time, being out of war, Tsunade's chakra has considerably deteriorated. We can see the difference now that she's in action.
So no, sorry, but that's not an excuse for Sakura not getting the Yin Seal.

Being a fast learner has nothing to do here ...it doesn't matter if she can learn the technique
its common sense that it takes years to store up a large amount of chakra
if you are saying sakura will store enough chakra to from yin seal tech within a year (in narutoverse) is not acceptable unless shown otherwise
if you are saying tsunade used yin seal against Hanzo she would have gone with full force like she did with madara and the paterns would have been visible
unless you providing a manga panal showing tsunade use Yin seal against hanzo i'm not going to accept she had it while fighting hanzo

Originally Posted by Chatte

I think I made it pretty clear with Sakura's offensive genjutsu, didn't I?

no you didn't can you plz tell me why she have not used any genjutsu against any enemy so far ....its been 600+ chapter i'm still waiting
if you are going to saying sakura didnot use genjutsu against sasori bcos sasori was a human puppet and genjutsu wouldn't work on him .....
my reply is this sakura didnot know sasori was a human puppet for a long time in the fight so she could have tried it after chiyo and her broke the hiruko but didn't bcos she doesn't know any

Originally Posted by Chatte

With the rocket-scientism regarding Sakura knowing Hashirama's wood release I explained it already.
It doesn't imply that Tsunade has it already or knows it. It just implies that she might've told Sakura and Sakura study it for herself.

i donot understand where have u explained it????

might've told sakura ... to study for herself => i hope you are having proof
last time i checked its not legal to give scrolls with dangerous and forbidden jutsu to teenagers
either you teach them it with also explaining the dangers with it (or) you dont show them it at all

Originally Posted by Chatte

You're a bit annoyed why?
Isn't Sakura's right to surpass her master?
Why the others could and she cannot?
Oh, right, because she doesn't have a monster sealed in her and she's not from any heritage.
Yet people dismiss her other qualities that might bring her on the top.

i never said she cannot ....i said she have not showed any signs to do so yet
i have said it a lot of times not bcos she doesn't have a monster in her or not bcos she doesn't have a heritage

its bcos she has not showed any steps to achieve this ,bcos of her past reputation

EDITED:

Originally Posted by Chatte

1. Foreshadowing and patterns has shown throughout the manga to transform themselves in proof.

2. That's why it's called theory in here and we have the hints which serve at proof that this is probable.

3. The single fact that you say you're not accept the fact that Sakura will surpass Tsunade shows that simply you're denying everything.

And the whole foreshadowing/pattern/hints has been used not only by Kishi, but we can see this in real life.

As before, you just deny everything you see and shows you're not open to those possibilities.
As I said before, if we would talk about any other character the views would've been different, and this is not just about you, it's for the majority, but as I said, because we're talking about Sakura, everyone denies it.

1. Yes foreshadowing does turn into proof .......i'm saying i'll believe it when it actually bcomes proof NOT when its still in foreshadowing stage

2. probability will depend on a lot more facts than this ...i hope u know the probability range is 0-1 and as the amount of conditions increase for an event to happen the probability of that even happening is reduce
By you own words these are the conditions for yin seal
probability that kishi will continue the manga after the war =1/2
probability that tsunade will live after this battle = 1/2
probability that tsunade will teach her the yin seal = 1/2
probability that sakura will be able to learn this = 1/2
probability that sakura will be able to store enormous chakra in a single time skip =1/2

so 1/32 in all thats the probability that this will happen on a rough scale

3. i hope you can see a word "NOW" in my statement suggesting i'm not accepting it as of "NOW"

i think u have not read anything after the third point :p bcos i've said i'll accept it when it happens

and the character in question being sakura or hinata or choji or lee or anyother doesn't change my perspective ...i always accept facts with open mind and i believe what i can see and be proved beyond doubt

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Well considering that she is the only one from the younger generation that recognized Mokuton, means something.
Why didn't it showed the other ones knowing about it. Of course everyone knows about Mokuton, but about particular Jutsus that the Mokuton has, no one did know, only her.

Well, when it comes to that matter, you don't kinda find them.

True that but however it isn't the first time when she had association with Yamato. We've seen it in this war that she read reports coming from him, also the things related to Zetsu - Hashirama were connected with Sakura as well, when she identifies Zetsu as being a alter-ego of Hashirama. So hints are here and there.

Well, much of those things in this manga seemed pretty far-fetched and it came to be, so who knows, maybe in the end they will come to be, come not...

Well surely it could mean something. But I can see countless of other explanations. First of all it is no wonder Naruto don't put much thought to it. Secondly Sai.. At the moment he was a vey suspicious character, and we didn't really see him thinking about anything except of how he could deceive people with a smile. Another thing is Danzo gave him a book with information about all members of ANBU, so he already knew about Yamatos mokuton.

But you are right, who knows. I still don't think everything has to be about senju. I would have no hard feelings if Sakura became as great a shinobi as Tsunade without senju DNA. Tsunade/Jiraya/Orochimaru and Sakura/Naruto/Sasuke. It should be in the destiny, but being related to the senju.. You may get it right, but I still think those "hints" are mere coincidences, which was the essence of my response.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

Yin Seal:
Yes sakura has a big forehead -> undeniable manga fact
Yes its a good spot for Yin seal-> common sense after all tsunade had it in her forehead too
So Sakura will have Yin Seal -> Now you are stretching it too far

It may have took Tsunade decades(common sense considering her age) to gather her chakra to form the Yin seal

In the above pic you can see Tsunade didn't have the yin seal ....if you are saying that the head band was hiding it think again if she was fighting with her full power and would she have released Yin seal and the marking will be visible in her face so common sense -> Tsunade didn't have Yin seal i her 20's

Also in the pic you have uploaded "I have been gathering in my forehead quiet some time"
quiet some time -> 2-3 weeks NO ...for years she has been doing that

The point here is "It takes many years to form Yin seal" so sakura having it soon is highly improbable If sakura has it it'll be after she's 30 odd years old and frankly i dont see that far ahead in manga

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

in what interview did kishi say he will continue naruto for 2-3 years more

I will try to look it up again and show it to you.
I don't usually store the interviews, I just read them and pass on.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

I know from where the mythology is taken, trust me.

^ then it would be easy for you to understand that
toad magic,snake magis,slug magic =/= respective SM
the names and the animal summons are the only thing similar not the actual power as i said b4
and again as i said it was not love between Jman and Tsunade as the love stated in the folklore

Honestly, no, it should be easy for you to understand that the next Sage Mode we are yet to see it's Slug Sage Mode.
It is clear by now that Kishi hasn't broken his patterns. This whole war is a proof of it where Team Minato is very similar with Team 7.

Shikkotsurin means Humid Bone Forest or Damp Bone Forest.

The simple name of it should be enough to see it's for the Slugs as they live in humid/damp areas because they need to keep their moisture, the bone signifies the strong body that it's needed and the forest... Well, let us remember who is the clan that was called "of the forest" if not the Senjus?
That's why I believe is strongly connected with Tsunade because she meets all the requirements.
She has a Slug as a summon -> humid/damp
She has strong body - bone (although this could mean another thing as well, as I've read a really interesting essay about the Slug Sage Mode)
Forest -> Tsunade is part Senju.
There was romantics between Tsunade and Jman. On Jman's part more, of course. The romantics has its basis on the folklore.
And Tsunade had her feelings for him as well, but we know she closed her heart because she feared to lose any more loved persons to her.
There is the instance when she starts open her heart a bit when Jiraiya leaves in Amegakure and afterwards when she says that if Jiraiya will come back, he wouldn't have to worry about being rejected, or something like that.
So the romance part based on the folklore was there, of course Kishi had to change it a bit, to put his own touch to it.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

NO i understood but thats exactly why i disagreed with the Yin seal

Sakura's first phase of development were from Tsunade i.e the medical ninjutsu and monstrous strength (i dont remember the name)

so her further development should not be anything concerning tsunade by your logic above said above then why have you included Yin seal which is a jutsu of Tsunade and Bringer of darkness that you expect would be handed down to her by tsunade(by the statement you make below)

Regarding the Yin Seal, we never know when Tsunade started using it and how difficult it was to get it, so we cannot just put it the back and start denying Sakura cannot have it.
Tsunade probably didn't considered using it at that time.
She probably started to consider to use it after Dan's death. Remember that Sozo Saisei is a technique Tsunade developed from the simple wish that she didn't want to see any dear person of her get killed. So maybe in order to acquire that, it's where the Yin Seal came into play.
But saying that Sakura can't get it because of the reasons you stated when we don't know for sure when Tsunade started using it and how much it took her to learn it or master it or God knows what, it isn't much of a solid proof.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

Being a fast learner has nothing to do here ...it doesn't matter if she can learn the technique
its common sense that it takes years to store up a large amount of chakra
if you are saying sakura will store enough chakra to from yin seal tech within a year (in narutoverse) is not acceptable unless shown otherwise
if you are saying tsunade used yin seal against Hanzo she would have gone with full force like she did with madara and the paterns would have been visible
unless you providing a manga panal showing tsunade use Yin seal against hanzo i'm not going to accept she had it while fighting hanzo

And you might explain me why it doesn't have nothing to do?
No, it isn't common sense that it takes years to store up a large amount of chakra since we've seen Tsunade storing a large amount of chakra in little time. Pein Arc where to War Arc.
And that took like how much? 2 weeks maybe, in real time?
And we've seen how many things Tsunade did in this war.

Healed herself via Sozo Saisei which in part 1 took all her stored-up chakra, replenished Gaara and Onoiki's chakra, activated Byakugo (that's the one which keeps the markings on, btw), she healed herself countless times in the battle with Madara and we know that it takes a large amount of chakra (hope I don't need to bring scans again), took Madara's most powerful fire technique by now, which was supposed to kill them all and healed (a lot of chakra as well).
Helped Onoiki to launch a large scale Jinton and we saw how big it got, which took a lot of chakra as well, as stated by Onoiki that he needs more chakra.
So the storage of chakra is not such a big deal as we've seen via Tsunade.

I never implied Tsunade used the Yin Seal against Hanzo. I just said Sakura is a fast learner.
And regarding the whole Tsunade using Yin Seal against Hanzo, I have responded that matter on the previous response.

As far as we know, she might've started using the Yin Seal somewhere close to when she appears in the manga.
This is not proven, but it's neither proven Sakura cannot learn it quick

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

no you didn't can you plz tell me why she have not used any genjutsu against any enemy so far ....its been 600+ chapter i'm still waiting
if you are going to saying sakura didnot use genjutsu against sasori bcos sasori was a human puppet and genjutsu wouldn't work on him .....
my reply is this sakura didnot know sasori was a human puppet for a long time in the fight so she could have tried it after chiyo and her broke the hiruko but didn't bcos she doesn't know any

Yes I did. Look in the responses from the thread I am not going to repeat myself.
My response for that is simple and you should've noticed.
Kakashi said to her not to take any unnecessary risks.
Plus, she saw from the very beginning the difference in experience between her and Sasori, that's why, the only thing she did is to put herself on Chiyo's disposal, Sakura didn't do anything without Chiyo's assistance.
The only thing she did do, was against Sandaime's Kazekage puppet.
It was prior there to escape from the attacks rather than using genjutsu.
In the time it would've taken her to use genjutsu, she might've gotten hurt by those Iron Sand weapons.
As I said before, Sakura listened to Chiyo's instructions because Chiyo was the one who had years of war experience behind. Going on her own would've been reckless.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

i donot understand where have u explained it????

might've told sakura ... to study for herself => i hope you are having proof
last time i checked its not legal to give scrolls with dangerous and forbidden jutsu to teenagers
either you teach them it with also explaining the dangers with it (or) you dont show them it at all

I already explained it in previous answers regarding the matter. Mokuton is known by everyone, however it wasn't shown anywhere before that the younger generations knows about the particular jutsus the Mokuton ninjutsu has.
She just didn't recognized Mokuton ninjutsu, she recognized a particular jutsu via Mokuton Ninjutsu.
And stated, it was a secret jutsu, meaning, not many people knew about it. Self explanatory.
And in the beginning of the thread where it shows Sakura having access to reports, or when she first trained with Tsunade, it was a room full of scrolls.
I think that is self-explanatory, once again.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

i never said she cannot ....i said she have not showed any signs to do so yet
i have said it a lot of times not bcos she doesn't have a monster in her or not bcos she doesn't have a heritage

its bcos she has not showed any steps to achieve this ,bcos of her past reputation

Lol, so everything you pass it on her past reputation?
Her past reputation showed she is a quick learner, her past reputation showed that she can master what she learns impressive, her past reputation showed the potential.
So the signs are there.

Originally Posted by thegame

Well surely it could mean something. But I can see countless of other explanations. First of all it is no wonder Naruto don't put much thought to it. Secondly Sai.. At the moment he was a vey suspicious character, and we didn't really see him thinking about anything except of how he could deceive people with a smile. Another thing is Danzo gave him a book with information about all members of ANBU, so he already knew about Yamatos mokuton.

But you are right, who knows. I still don't think everything has to be about senju. I would have no hard feelings if Sakura became as great a shinobi as Tsunade without senju DNA. Tsunade/Jiraya/Orochimaru and Sakura/Naruto/Sasuke. It should be in the destiny, but being related to the senju.. You may get it right, but I still think those "hints" are mere coincidences, which was the essence of my response.

Yes, however at it was implied, it was a secret jutsu, meaning not everyone knew about it. Especially the younger generation.
Well, might be coincidences, might not be, but you know as they say, coincidences don't exist, lol. :p
And with Kishi, rarely coincidences ... happened.

Originally Posted by ChiefHermit

nice assumptions you got there
assumptions =/= proof

Lol, getting back at the enemy with his own weapon, lol. Or how was the saying?
Something like that.

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

EDITED:

1. Yes foreshadowing does turn into proof .......i'm saying i'll believe it when it actually bcomes proof NOT when its still in foreshadowing stage

2. probability will depend on a lot more facts than this ...i hope u know the probability range is 0-1 and as the amount of conditions increase for an event to happen the probability of that even happening is reduce
By you own words these are the conditions for yin seal
probability that kishi will continue the manga after the war =1/2
probability that tsunade will live after this battle = 1/2
probability that tsunade will teach her the yin seal = 1/2
probability that sakura will be able to learn this = 1/2
probability that sakura will be able to store enormous chakra in a single time skip =1/2

so 1/32 in all thats the probability that this will happen on a rough scale

3. i hope you can see a word "NOW" in my statement suggesting i'm not accepting it as of "NOW"

i think u have not read anything after the third point :p bcos i've said i'll accept it when it happens

and the character in question being sakura or hinata or choji or lee or anyother doesn't change my perspective ...i always accept facts with open mind and i believe what i can see and be proved beyond doubt

Lol, then why bother yourself to answer a thread which is basically a theory, a possibility?
I don't get it.
When you have the proof, it's clearly transformed into a proof, so a theory which consists in possibilities has no value.
That what this thread is about, possibilities based on certain proofs of the manga.

As long as it's there, the possibility can be 1 in a million, that single possibility can turn the tables. As simple as that.

And to be honest I didn't understood that 1/32 ratio and how you calculated it.
I was never good at math anyways, but by my calculations of what you would be 5/10.
Meaning 50/50 to happen.
Well, when it will happen, it would be a fact, not a theory/possibility = the meaning of this thread.
When that will happen, this thread will have no meaning whatsoever.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Its funny that one thing kept Tsunade from fighting to her full potential (Blood, because of the traumatic experience of losing her LOVEd one Dan) And one thing holds Sakura back from fighting to her full potential her LOVE for Sasuke. Coincidence? I think NOT!!

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Thanks!
I also remembered when she analyzed Zetsu saying that he is some sort of alter-ego of Hashirama, thing that none of the other character have done.
I wonder what is it behind these hints?
Hopefully there is something, Kishi is known as the man who doesn't put pieces here and there for nothing.

Concerning Zetsus i believe that she was refering to Yamato's data or something or maybe i'm not remembering very well. There is also Shukaku who said something like that. The joint army was already aware that they were constituated of Hashirama's DNA

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

its not assumptions its common sense
i said it as common sense because i did not know the actual age of tsunade
i'm saying it as 20's and 30's because jiraiya looked like he was in his 20's

if you dont want to believe that then take this
tsunade's age in part 1 is 51....
twelve years before that was the nine tails attack so 39 at the end of third shinobi war
Tsunade hanzo at the end of second shinobi war and since its never stated in manga when these war took place or how long was this was took place we have to go by comparing here only
she was much younger than 39 .....i.e in her 20's
if you have any other proof that its not i'm all ears

and if you have any other proof that contradicts my post plz provide them

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Minato is a thug

Its funny that one thing kept Tsunade from fighting to her full potential (Blood, because of the traumatic experience of losing her LOVEd one Dan) And one thing holds Sakura back from fighting to her full potential her LOVE for Sasuke. Coincidence? I think NOT!!

Oh lol, that's a similarity I have never seen, heheh.
I also noticed another one.
They both poisoned a team-mate while tried to kill the other, lol.

Originally Posted by Bogard

Concerning Zetsus i believe that she was refering to Yamato's data or something or maybe i'm not remembering very well. There is also Shukaku who said something like that. The joint army was already aware that they were constituated of Hashirama's DNA

At that time, only the bad-guys knew what Zetsu was made from.
The good-guys still didn't knew, Sakura was the one who did it with the help of Shizune's analysis of the Zetsu's DNA.
And she was also the one who concluded that the bad-guys are using Yamato as a power-up, which, was true.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

its not assumptions its common sense
i said it as common sense because i did not know the actual age of tsunade
i'm saying it as 20's and 30's because jiraiya looked like he was in his 20's

if you dont want to believe that then take this
tsunade's age in part 1 is 51....
twelve years before that was the nine tails attack so 39 at the end of third shinobi war
Tsunade hanzo at the end of second shinobi war and since its never stated in manga when these war took place or how long was this was took place we have to go by comparing here only
she was much younger than 39 .....i.e in her 20's
if you have any other proof that its not i'm all ears

and if you have any other proof that contradicts my post plz provide them

I believe you are barely right lol Dan Kato was 27 when he died so i believe Tsunade would have been the same age

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Oh lol, that's a similarity I have never seen, heheh.
I also noticed another one.
They both poisoned a team-mate while tried to kill the other, lol.

At that time, only the bad-guys knew what Zetsu was made from.
The good-guys still didn't knew, Sakura was the one who did it with the help of Shizune's analysis of the Zetsu's DNA.
And she was also the one who concluded that the bad-guys are using Yamato as a power-up, which, was true.

Lmfao i didnt realize that!!! lol both of those scenes were funny lol i love this manga :D

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

its not assumptions its common sense
i said it as common sense because i did not know the actual age of tsunade
i'm saying it as 20's and 30's because jiraiya looked like he was in his 20's

if you dont want to believe that then take this
tsunade's age in part 1 is 51....
twelve years before that was the nine tails attack so 39 at the end of third shinobi war
Tsunade hanzo at the end of second shinobi war and since its never stated in manga when these war took place or how long was this was took place we have to go by comparing here only
she was much younger than 39 .....i.e in her 20's
if you have any other proof that its not i'm all ears

and if you have any other proof that contradicts my post plz provide them

Tsunade's age is 51, but as I said, we have no proof of when she started to use the Yin Seal.
Could've been fairly years before, could've been months before.
But this is no solid proof that Sakura cannot have the seal.

Originally Posted by Minato is a thug

Lmfao i didnt realize that!!! lol both of those scenes were funny lol i love this manga :D

Well, patterns, patterns...
Indeed, in a way they were funny, at least how Naruto fainted, lol.
But that's another thing.