Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

It sucked but I had a sinking, bad feeling about this game. Everyone seemed too confident from the fans right on down to the players themselves, we need to stop believing the hype before we end up like the Cowboys.

Everyone has their own definition of what a good fan is. I thank you for describing your definition so well.

I, on the other hand, think a good fan, much like a good parent/boss/friend, holds their team accountable for shortcomings and expects the best out of them.

Blindly accepting the failures and vowing undying support for a team's repeated failures is a good way to become the nfl equivalent of Chicago Cubs fans. We keep "showing our support," with attendance and cash, and the ownership has zero incentive to improve the product on the field.

What'll be funny is if we win in Chicago it'll be "OMGZ WE'RE THE BEST" all over again.

Its part of being a fan, we don't realize we do it but we do this all the time, none of us will be happy in the regular season unless we go 16-0.

BTW when I say "we" I'm not saying I'm having the meltdown, but we as in every seahawk fan out there are my brothers in arms, I love this fanbase... Well... Some of you... But I think instead of chastising each other, I think we should make jokes and do other things to take this stuff off the minds of our fellow fans who are feeling down tonight.

No gnashing of teeth. No abandoning the team. I mean, hey, I'm a Seahawk fan. I've seen much worse. But my hopes that this team had turned a corner have been checked. My brother and I were talking before the last two home games that until they win on the road they've proven nothing. They can mash at home all they like, but I'm not going to believe we're serious contenders until they show it away from the Clink.

And just for reference, the 'true fan' argument doesn't play here. If you made that same argument during the final Ruskell years you would have been wrong. And believe me, I was one of the last converts. Supporting the Seahawks doesn't mean blindly agreeing with everything that's going on. You want what's best for the team, sure, but my ultimate goal is to watch this team win championships. Different people believe it will happen different ways. Some of the stuff today was just reactionary to a bad loss. Don't be overly harsh on your fellow Twelves.

minormillikin wrote:Everyone has their own definition of what a good fan is. I thank you for describing your definition so well.

I, on the other hand, think a good fan, much like a good parent/boss/friend, holds their team accountable for shortcomings and expects the best out of them.

Blindly accepting the failures and vowing undying support for a team's repeated failures is a good way to become the nfl equivalent of Chicago Cubs fans. We keep "showing our support," with attendance and cash, and the ownership has zero incentive to improve the product on the field.

All that said, I'm actually pretty optimistic for the near future.

Completely get what you are saying and agree to a point. By never giving up on this team, I mean I will always be a fan and a proud fan. That doesn't mean I don't want the team held accountable. If the Seahawks were, say, 3-8 I'd be feeling completely different right now and think some changes were in order. As it stands however, we are in control of our own destiny as far as playoffs go and overreacting like some have is just ridiculous.

I've been doing this long enough to know that this is absolutely normal. We all have unique personalities. Some of us shrug our shoulders after a loss, some of us rant and rave, some of us say stupid things in the heat of the moment, some of us like to call others out for not being a "real fan". One thing that never changes, in all of my years of running - and now simply being a fellow member of - a popular fan forum community, is that we all deal with a loss in our own unique way.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change that fact.

For the record, I applaude the OP's points, but nothing will ever change the fact that we all deal with a loss in our own way. It doesn't make any single one of us better or worse as a fan.

There are three certainties in life. Death, taxes and the perpetual shuffling of the Seattle Seahawks offensive line.

Aros wrote:I've been doing this long enough to know that this is absolutely normal. We all have unique personalities. Some of us shrug our shoulders after a loss, some of us rant and rave, some of us say stupid things in the heat of the moment, some of us like to call others out for not being a "real fan". One thing that never changes, in all of my years of running - and now simply being a fellow member of - a popular fan forum community, is that we all deal with a loss in our own unique way.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change that fact.

For the record, I applaude the OP's points, but nothing will ever change the fact that we all deal with a loss in our own way. It doesn't make any single one of us better or worse as a fan.

Hha, I'm definitely pretty unbearable to watch games with if we are losing and shortly thereafter the game.

Seriously, like Aros said, some people need to vent and get it off of their chests. In some ways, it's cathartic to me as well, if I get online and do an unemotional analysis on facts and not emotions, it kind of burns the bad emotions out. I'm the opposite though, instead of ranting, I say a few sarcastic things, then start to look at the X's and O's of why we lost.

In a week we win, we're the best team in the league. In a week we lose, its fire Pete Carroll.

Im devastated by yesterdays loss and it was a huge reality check for my expectations this year for this team. With that said though, lol at the thought of firing Pete Carroll and this team is still plenty good. Might not win a road playoff game, but we're still a playoff caliber team.

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

Not defending any posts in particular, but being a fan of a team doesn't mean blind support for every move or every player every single day. You can question coaches decisions, players abilities, and many other things. You can love or hate any particular part of any particular game, and still LOVE YOUR TEAM. You can still root your ass off each game day, while still having negative thoughts about the season or the performance in any game or group of games. None of this means your not a fan, as long as you are there and rooting for them each and every game day, you are still a fan

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Steve2222 wrote:In a week we win, we're the best team in the league. In a week we lose, its fire Pete Carroll.

Im devastated by yesterdays loss and it was a huge reality check for my expectations this year for this team. With that said though, lol at the thought of firing Pete Carroll and this team is still plenty good. Might not win a road playoff game, but we're still a playoff caliber team.

IMO part of being passionate fans is to not only try your best to be knowledgeable about your team, but to be critical when criticism's warranted (and be positive when positivity is warranted).

I'm not calling for anyone's head, but damned if I'm not going to be critical when I see something I don't like. We don't pay our hard earned money for tickets and jerseys to just rah rah like sheep, it's every fan's duty to show our satisfaction.......and in this case dissatisfaction with our wallets and mouths (and typing fingers).

when your team puts up unbelievable wins, GB, Dallas, NE , certain expectations are created... win you lose winnable games , AZ, DE, Miami, it's causes confusion and dispair... right now i'm wondering which team do we have, the NE team or the Miami team? how can these guys play at a certain level for one game, and completely not show up for another, much like the 49ers...

but after seeing what the giants did to greenbay, it seems like, this year rings more true than ever, any team can beat any other team on any given sunday... having said that, i still feel a good solid team, GB, NE, SF, ATL would never lose a game like we just did, which leads me to believe, we're not a contender yet... and as a lifelong die hard fan i have the right to question / complain about players , coaches, FO whatever until i start seeing more positive results.. just like today, i say this team has too much talent to be playing at this poor of a level, they've already proven it... so i am now questioning our coaching, and that starts with PC...

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

Thanks for this. I thought of posting something similar but I don't want to be the kind of guy that pushes an agenda of any kind. So I was hoping someone else would speak up and inject some sense into this board.

Scottemojo wrote:Seahawks are the loudest fans in the league, not the best. Thinking we are somehow better than 31 other fanbases is silliness. .NET, on the other hand, is clearly the best Seahawks fan site.

I react differently on different losses. The Cards and Rams didn't bother me all that bad. Even the 49er game I could handle knowing how good of a team they are (although is still stung to see our rush D play so bad). The Lions and Phins game were different because it wasn't just bad luck or a rookie QB struggling - our prized Defense became mush at the most important time of those games. They both really left me feeling as though this team is not what I thought it was and that stinks.

Aros wrote:I've been doing this long enough to know that this is absolutely normal. We all have unique personalities. Some of us shrug our shoulders after a loss, some of us rant and rave, some of us say stupid things in the heat of the moment, some of us like to call others out for not being a "real fan". One thing that never changes, in all of my years of running - and now simply being a fellow member of - a popular fan forum community, is that we all deal with a loss in our own unique way.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change that fact.

For the record, I applaude the OP's points, but nothing will ever change the fact that we all deal with a loss in our own way. It doesn't make any single one of us better or worse as a fan.

For the record, I am NOT against being critical or holding the team accountable. I was merely trying to point out that the overreactions were unnecessary as we are still in ok shape and the team is needing us to rally more now then ever this season. Anyways, I think this subject as been discussed enough! Onto the next game!

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

By whoms definition are we not the leagues best fans,,,,,,,yours?????

One of the no nos around here is suggesting someone is a better fan that someone else. Bullshit!

We are all fans in our own way and if you can't handle that perhaps you need to put hand on the door handle,,,,,from the outside.

Is it sunday yet? Gheesh, if only some people had amnesia after these kinda losses. They have all been hard losses, mostly cuz they were close games but next year i expect to win those. Fans will be fans and express themselve in many diffrent ways thru anger and joy. Some are classy and some are'nt, weather its a win or a loss people with find something to bitch about. Thats just the way it is in the world not just here. I think i'd say us Seahawk fans have handled are ups and downs better than any other teams fans would. I think we all just have alot to say and some take it more personal then others but we all gotta remember we are here for the same reason and thats to see the Seahawks whoop ass every week am i wrong. Now i see a big improvement and see Pete has a vision and a goal on what he wants this team to do, now some players just aren't gonna work and i think he's starting to see that and so are some other teams. I think im blabbing and going on and off topic so im gonna end it with hang in there fellow 12's cuz the team is looking pretty freaking good at home and its a matter of time before it clicks on the road and im betting sooner then later.

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

Great another fan elitist that thinks being a fan means you live in la la land. Just so you know being critical of your team when criticism is due does not mean you bailed on your team. It means you care enough to make it known your not happy. Jumping the bandwagon means you have deserted the team and have adopted a new team. We would not be here if we weren't Seahawk fans. By the way you do reflect your low post count. Just saying.

" Remember the men and women in uniform that have signed that blank check for us."

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

Great another fan elitist that thinks being a fan means you live in la la land. Just so you know being critical of your team when criticism is due does not mean you bailed on your team. It means you care enough to make it known your not happy. Jumping the bandwagon means you have deserted the team and have adopted a new team. We would not be here if we weren't Seahawk fans. By the way you do reflect your low post count. Just saying.

Had a season ticket holder say to me.... "I wish our fans were as hard core as you guys. You guys bring it every week."Apparently Miami fans are just like Arizona fans. Nobody is from there and they disappear fast if they're losing.

Then I heard a fan in the parking lot shrug his shoulders to his buddy and say....."Damn, we always lose to the bad teams, then we beat the good ones?"

SeaToTheHawks wrote:Seriously? I thought we prided ourselves on being the best fans in the league. The fans that stand by the team no matter what. The fan base that was comprised mainly of NON-bandwagon fans. The "us against the world" fans. Where'd that go? We were atrocious in 2009. Atrocious. Old, lazy, overpaid, entitled. And now we get turned around in 2 short years, have had some seriously good drafts, have a stud of a QBOTF, we are young, talented, and still sitting in the drivers seat of a playoff spot.

But some of you are calling for heads to roll? For Pete to be canned? Throwing players under the bus? Calling them fakes and pretenders? Get. Real. Apparently a large portion of this fan base are the fakes and pretenders and only root when winning.

Go ahead, call me out for a low post count or whatever (like its been done--still don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm less qualified to post because I just signed up? I don't know, I always thought that was the most pointless of insults on sports message boards--ok now off that rant). Did today suck? Of course. But I sure as $&@t won't give up on this team now or ever.

Not defending any posts in particular, but being a fan of a team doesn't mean blind support for every move or every player every single day. You can question coaches decisions, players abilities, and many other things. You can love or hate any particular part of any particular game, and still LOVE YOUR TEAM. You can still root your ass off each game day, while still having negative thoughts about the season or the performance in any game or group of games. None of this means your not a fan, as long as you are there and rooting for them each and every game day, you are still a fan