The UPA Government has become a liability for national security with the way it has employed CBI in a shameless manner to discredit IB in Ishrat encounter case. CBI says that Ishrat was not a terrorist while the other three of her accomplices had terror links. Notice that Ishrat was innocent and even her accomplices are not ‘terrorists’ but had only ‘terror links’.

One can trust the secularist mindset to churn out such wonderful mind numbing differences. There is definitely a difference between ‘terrorist’ and ‘one having a terror link’. But wait… it gets even better… CBI says that the purpose of their Gujarat visit was to do, what in NDTV secularist speech is ‘chota-mota’ bomb blast jobs in Ahmadabad but they did not intend to harm even a hair in Modi’s beard.

Now those who just planned meticulously with their overseas handlers to do some ‘chota-mota’ bomb blasts and kill a few –just a fifty or hundred Gujaratis- were killed in ‘cold blood’ by Gujarat cops before they could do their ‘Chota-Mota’ job. How sad!

After all they did not plan to kill one man – Modi – whose blood every other secularist is baying for.

All this is despite the fact that on July 15, 2004 the mouthpiece of the LeT, Ghazwa Times, had claimed that Ishrat was affiliated to the Lashkar e Toiba. A few days before, Gopinath the father of Javed Ghulam Sheikh (who was Pranesh before he converted and got radicalized), filed his petition seeking a CBI probe. On May 2, 2007, the Jamatud-Dawa, another mouthpiece of the Lashkar, published an apology to Ishrat’s mother saying it was wrongly claimed earlier that she was a LeT operative. One wonders if Lashkar has CBI handlers or vice versa!

Tamang Report Fiasco

Then in 2009 came the notorious Tamang report. From the day one of the quickly cooked yet half-baked report by Ahmedabad Magistrate S.P. Tamang, the media has been almost filled to the brim with ‘fake encounter’ reports.

In an urgently hand-written 234 pages report Tamang claimed that all killed were innocent. And that they were killed in cold blood by the Gujarat police. Tamang report was hailed by the pro-Congress media as a major victory. CPI(M) asked for Modi’s resignation. For conveniently Tamang also brought in Modi’s name. ‘For Ishrat Jahan’s family, Eid will be special this year‘ a typical headline screamed.

The magistrate report stated that Ishrat Jahan and her boy-friend Javed Ghulam Sheikh alias Pranesh Pillai were not linked to any terrorist outfit. This is despite the fact that just a month before in August 2009, the Union Home Ministry has stated in its affidavit filed in the Gujarat High Court that both were actively involved with the Lashkar-e-Toiba.[1]

That was not all. The final nail on Tamang report came in 2010. Gujarat High Court raised doubts on the magistrate’s conclusion (not the conclusion of FSL scientists) about the time of death of four people on basis of post-mortem report, FSL reports and statements.

The division bench observed that this was just a view, which is different from the investigation carried out by Gujarat police and held that the motive described by magistrate SP Tamang, (which is where Tamang had brought in Modi), in his inquiry report on the Ishrat Jahan encounter case cannot be accepted.[2]

However to this day the discredited Tamang report is used by journalists.A reporter for ‘The Indian Express‘ writes on July 4 2013 that ‘metropolitan magistrate S P Tamang exposed the encounter to be fake’ [3].

SIT-Prejudice

Now let us come to 2011: ‘Times of India‘ report dated Oct-24-2011 is mercifully titled ‘Ishrat Jahan, others had terror links’. Inside the report one finds a naked fight happening between the members of the SIT. Clearly there are some people within SIT who have been trying hard to project Ishrat encounter as a fake. The report says:

The third reconstruction of Ishrat Jahan encounter case by teams of AIIMS and CFSL drew to a close on Sunday. But whether the encounter was genuine or fake still remains a bone of contention among members of the Special Investigation Team. There is, however, a point on which all three members of the Gujarat High Court-appointed SIT – additional DG of Central Industrial Security Force R R Verma, additional DG Mohan Jha and inspector general Satish Verma – agree: the four, who were killed in the encounter, had links with terrorist outfits.

Now an interesting revelation comes:

However, reports submitted by CFSL and AIIMS could not satisfy some of the SIT members’ queries on technicalities of the encounter.

And then the report goes on to say:

Meanwhile, SIT members have paid several visits to Maharashtra, UP and J&K to trace antecedents of those killed in the encounter. “Their history unearthed by us proves that all the four had been linked to terrorist activities. Ishrat and her boyfriend Javed were involved in arms dealing while the other two Amjad and Jisan were associated with a terrorists’ group in Kashmir,” said an SIT member. On November 18 the SIT members will submit their final report. [4]

Note that the SIT did not find Ishrat innocent.

Note that ‘some members’ of the SIT ‘were not satisfied with the reports of AIIMS and CFSL.

The original panel set up by the high court had IPS officers Pramod Kumar, Mohan Jha and J.K. Bhatt, to probe the case. However Satish Verma another IPS officer was nominated by Ishrat’s family. [5]

In his Firstpost.com article Praveen Swami points out that Satish Verma was instrumental in rejecting the AIIMS and CFSL report.[6] The rejection of this scientific evidence has been so under-reported in the media that none has bothered to even go through these documents or speak to the scientists who did the report.

Dumping the scientific evidence

Remember the earlier report too ‘could not satisfy some of the SIT members’ and that was in 2011. In its report dated Feb-21-2012 Times of India merely reported ‘Ishrat case: SIT, scientists differ’. Now what does the report of the investigations conducted by AIIMS and CFSL say in 2011? The Times of India report says:

The board was formed by Gujarat high court on SIT’s insistence, and the experts reconstructed the offence on the spot as per SIT’s demand. Head of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology of AIIMS, Dr T D Dogra and chairman of CFSL Dr Rajinder Singh along with their sub-ordinates comprised the board and reconstructed the scene of offence. However, SIT had problems with the conclusions by Delhi experts, as they did not stand scientific scrutiny. In its report after reconstruction, CFSL gave a clean chit to Gujarat police by stating that the shoot-out was very much possible in the manner as narrated in the FIR and reconstructed by the cops in 2011. [7]

Then R R Verma (not Satish Verma but most probably at the insistence of Satish Verma) questioned the report and ultimately dismissed it.

Remember that AIIMS and CFSL were made to reconstruct and test the events of Ishrat encounter not once but thrice.

And also remember that the reports were rejected repeatedly because the reports simply did not fit the accusations and foregone conclusions of the prejudiced ones in the SIT.

Now let us imagine the reverse. Had the AIIMS and CFSL reports concurred with the SIT’s pre-concluded and prejudiced stand that the encounter was a fake, how the media would have reported, howled and made the report part of the public psyche!

Had then the report been rejected by one of the members of SIT and then based on a ‘with help of other expert bodies from an engineering college in Gujarat and by citing a research paper from University of California’, then the media would have exploded with mocking headings like ‘In Modi’s Gujarat engineering college ‘experts’ are used to reject Forensic and Medical scientists’ findings’ and would have had a field day.

However there is not a single TV interview, not a single journalist query to the forensic and medical scientists who based on repeated reconstructions, consistently gave a clean chit to Gujarat cops.

This is not a quest for justice. This is witch-hunt of Gujarat cops and Intelligence establishment. This is dismantling of the nation’s internal security and capacity to fight against Jihad terror.

The 1500 page CBI charge-sheet, one can be sure, is nothing but the sophisticated yet recycled edition of the 234 page Tamang report. It already has more holes than a sieve.

However there is going to be a severe negative in India’s fight against terror. In 2008 in the aftermath of the Ahmadabad bomb blasts, investigating ‘Desi Jihad’, India Today reported that the state intelligence had failed in anticipating and preventing the bomb blasts. The report then chillingly added in the end:

How to identify terrorists without hurting the community-recruitment aspect for terrorists- is a challenge before law enforcement officials. One officer who had mastered this technique after acquiring sound knowledge of the working of the Wahhabi tanzeems was Gujarat Police DIG D.G. Vanzara, who was in-charge of the state Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS). [8]

In other words the human rights mafia and pseudo-secular vote bank politics as well as compromised media had zeroed in on Vanzara and got him eliminated from the scenes which in turn helped the Jihadists to carry out ‘Chota-Mota’ bomb blasts in Ahmedabad that claimed 53 lives.

Now along with the Gujarat cops the entire IB network has been penalized and demoralized for doing their duty of proactively eliminating a terror module – whose terror-credentials have been proved beyond doubt from Headley confessions to ‘Headlines Today’ revelations of audio tapes.

However to their advantage Jihad terrorists from across the border and within India have found a new comrade joining their cause –CBI under Sonia Raj.

The Islamist Jihad against India has found a coalition in UPA which is waging its own secularist jihad against Modi.

References:

[1] The Politics of Encounter, India Today, Sep-10-2009

[2] HC picks holes in Tamang report, Times of India, Aug-12-2010

[3] Rajinder Kumar: the game changer, The Indian Express, Jul-4-2013

[4] Ishrat Jahan, others had terror links, Time of India, 24-Oct-2011

[5]Praveen Swami, Ishrat Jahan: The inconvenient story no one wants to tell,www.firstpost.com, June 13 2013 (http://www.firstpost.com/politics/ishrat-jahan-the-inconvenient-story-no-one-wants-to-tell-867173.html)

A brilliant article by Neelakandan that exposes the nefarious game of UPA.

Joseph Anton

This is getting way beyond comical, even by CRI standards.

Mr. Neelakandan writes an entire article – arguing against the CBI, the SIT, a magistrate report and common sense – constructed entirely on 2 news reports by a newspaper that routinely gets billed the ‘Slimes of India’ by CRI authors and commenters and – wait for this – had an entire article devoted to parodying its ethics and news gathering practices just within the last 10 days.

Priceless!

shankar

I fail to buy your logic…no matter how much you polish your skewed logic.

What is happening in this case is outright anti-national. The way Media, CBI & lefties talk confirms all my suspicions.

And as far as your comments on the author’s suspicions are concerned, I think there is no precedence for me to trust the CBI & this magistrate. CBI has long lost its reputation. So, my benefit of doubt goes to the author.

and there are quiet a bit of sikhs/hindus in the forefront of seeking justice for 19 year old israt while the side supporting her killing as no arguments than creating CBI versus IB ,headley stories and have never come up with a single evidence supporting the encounter as a real one or indicting israt jehan
The BJP spokespersons and supporters of murder of israt jehan are articulating illogical arguments for long.

1)Why special attention on fake encounters in gujarat while there are 100s of similar in other states

The encounter of israt and kausarbi/sohrabuddin are unique and a milestone in the glorious rule of modi where the wife of an accused is kidnapped and after confinement/sexual assault is also killed.Tulsi prajapathi the witness to abduction of sohrabudin and his wife was brought from jail in another state and killed .
There are no parallels to this interlinked fake encounters even in the encounterfull states of punjab during its militancy or JK/Manipur/assam/nagaland or UP/TN.
Can someone highlight the cases of 19 year old college going girl being killed in any state in police encounter.The vast army of modi supporters can search to give similar instances of encounter killings of young college going girls with no previous criminal history before blabbering why special attention to israt and kausarbi

2) The IB under central govt should also be held responsible for false stories and PM should also be blamed

Exactly. The fake encounter took place on 15 june2004 and the people killed on that date was in custody for few weeks before the encounter and IB inputs raised still before .Manmohan singh took charge on 22may 2004 and its surprising to see the BJP supporters baying for the head of than PM vajpayee

3) Headley has quoted and LeT website claimed her as their own(Even for arguments sake its accepted that she was part of LeT which law under IPC gives permission to forces for fake encounter of people for crimes which they thought of committing)is not a great thing to acheive in the murky world of intelligence with double agents/anything for money for their cause across all terror groups. Highly motivated deadly groups like LTTE was infiltrated by intelligence groups paving the way for split and same has been acheived with hijbul mujahideen too and brotherly fights killing the existing leader or aspiring leader are the ultimate acheivements of inttelligence groups and here people argue on the basis of their impropability of not being able to add few lines in their websites

Joseph Anton

Excellent points Munusamy – I wasn’t aware that it would be the NDA Central govt. when Ishrat was taken into custody.

The saddest part here is that grown people and seemingly intelligent adults are justifying what most agree is the cold blooded murder of a 19 year old girl – just because she was Muslim?!

Is this what political partisanship makes people do?

I completely agree with people who say these things happen in Congress-administered states too – but if one of these cases were being debated, I do not think many lay Congress supporters would be mounting as vigorous a defense of its perpetrators as we see here.

I may be wrong but I think this is a qualititaive difference with Modi supporters. I do not know if this is selection bias or a Modi effect – but either way it is almost academically fascinating!

Sarab

Naturally, because in no cong-state is the CM targeted for such encounters – fake or real. Moreover terror is not an individual crime that state has to control to ensure law and order, but an open challenge to the state and its running – it is a war. Hence its handling is not a judicial procedure as crime handling is. Most critics ignore this most fundamental difference when they talk of these cases.

munusamy ganapathy

Can i know the IPC which gives sanctions for this or do you say that the govt of the day has the power to liquidiate people whom they perceive as terrorists or have chances of becoming terrorists without judicial involvement
I dont think even POTA or TADA has sanctions for coldblooded murders of terrorists/terror suspects/terror trainees
Cong lost its CM beant singh to terror attack and BJP maintains deafening silence to the demands of its coalition partner Akalidal for commutation of death sentence to the convicts while shouting from rooftops to hang muslim convicts.Cong lost its PMs indira and rajiv and arguments of cong CMs are/where never targeted has no merit.The recent wiping out of top leadership in chattisgarh is from which party

Indian First

You can’t always ‘go’ by law.. So many criminals have walked free from law for the lack of ‘provable’ evidence. If you want sanctions in the law for “murders of terrorists/terror suspects/terror trainees” you won’t get it because it will be politically incorrect to do so and the leftie stooges will bark from every corner just like they did against POTA. Besides, the law is only good as the courts and justice system. When every holes in the law has been used in this country to convolute justice, what’s the point in bragging about laws ?

As Jagannathan asks:

“”How come the courts happily spend a month or more on vacation if they were so concerned about the cause of justice?”

munusamy ganapathy

we are treading on very dangerous territory dear friends and its alarming to see support for extra judicial killings.

Will you people remain the same if similar reports are generated and people of another religion are killed.people shedding copious tears for sadhvi and aseemaanands have no issues with murder of a 19 year old girl or wife of an accused and skip it as collateral damage or essential for the ?wellbeing of nation.This is not economics where one stands on the side of freebies or against it.Its murder and supporting murder on grounds of safety is nothing less than what hitler and germany did to jews

Sarab

The existing situation in India IS dangerous, and if you had any consistency you would not even raise the topic of extrajudicial killings – because it is neither started not multiplied but happened *the least* in BJP ruled states. So the obvious suspicion is on people who talk of this case.

Leaving that, the word extrajudicial is itself out of place when there is an ongoing armed attack and the state’s responsibility is to weed out the terrorists. And Ishrat Jehan was not going there to have coffee with Munusamy, she was lined to LeT and was part of a plot for bombblast. This much came out until the congress decided that CBI should start lying.

As for Aseemanand and Sadhvi Pragya, it is obvious that in all these years of torture the CBI failed to find evidence against them. And their case happens to be the reverse – they are made victims of calumny unlike Ishrat who is made a martyr.

OF course, if you are Munusamy, it is difficult to see sense anywhere.

Indian First

“people shedding copious tears for sadhvi”

People are not shedding tears but asking why no FIR has been filed even after 5 years if there is evidence..

“Its murder and supporting murder on grounds of safety is nothing less than what hitler and germany did to jews”

Ha ha.. Hitler may have been dead but he still lives in the minds of the lefties and congie stooges… comparing what he did with encounters is just stupid..

I’ll ask again: Why no hype around the remaining 500+ encounters in this country..

munusamy ganapathy

ok lets leave hitler.its similar to how kafirs have to be treated.

Its funny to see hindutwawadis considering IB and police as equivalent of powerful fatwa issuing maulanas and people branded as enemies/kafirs by them have no right to live and its good for the society to eliminate them.The mullahs atleast dont kill by themselves and depend on arm wielding forces/supporters but here fake encounter police becomes all in one and the law abiding citizens and followers of religion of equality clap their hands for that

There are numerous cases against police personnel across the country and quiet a few are slowly getting punished for the gruesome murders committed by them in the last few years

These are few among the hundreds of cases in various states against fake encounters and people/human rights activists/from respective states,victim families are pursuing those cases for years.

Indian First

There is no Black and White situation here.. 2001-2010 was a gruesome period of terrorism in India and it has reduced only in the last couple of years because Pakistan is busy killing itself. The Intelligence and Police are in a tough situation. When any terror attack happens, they are in the line of attack. The Jhollawallahs never bother about terror attacks because they consider the urban middle class Indians as dogs who can be disposed off. So, since terrorism affects mainly this class, they don’t care how many people die in it. Hence the barking bleedng hearts never show their faces after 26/11 or other terror attacks.

But when somebody is detained, the dogs come out in the open and start barking like mad. Whether they were fraudulent detentions or not, it does not matter. There is no terrorist or counter-insurgency operation without some collateral damage in any part of the world. The Jhollawallahs and the human rights activists (who seem to be active only when it deals with terrorists and Maoists) stick to the collateral damage and hence demand to tarnish the entire counter terror and insurgency mechanisms. This, inspite of the lowest rates of such damage among any part world.

Even in this case, it DOES matter if Ishrat and her companions are infact terrorists or suicide bombers as the FBI told the NIA. What do the Jhollawallas want ? Let the 4 people indulge in terrorism, then catch them and prove it in the ‘court of law’ ? Counter terror operations rarely follow this approach. It is high time the BJP speaks out against this politically incorrect stance and say out loud that they prevented terrorists from causing damage. If it is wrong, so be it..

Sarab

Another Munusamy logic. What is the comparison between mullas who resulted in *millions* of deaths in the name of religion and “Hindutvawadis” whose very emergence happened *in the defense* of the society *from the former*?

But if you are Munusamy, you can bring about a comparison.

Vasudevan.K

Mr Munusamy, please remember that in the counter terrorism activities life depends on who blinked first. We (including your holy self) may be alive today due to one such preventive measures by our security forces.

People who owe their very their survival to the sacrifice of security forces, have the audacity to discredit our saviours and empathise with terrorists. because it sells in this ‘secular’ enviro, right? What a virtue of biting the hands that feed!

We have all seen how many years it took to punish Ajmal Kasab in this enviro, desipite having incontrovertible proof of his dastardly acts in killling people. (Even then it was a better-late- than-never political cumpulsion!)

We don’t know what happened in this encounter until the courts come out with a verdict. Raise your wails for the wronged when the courts declare accordingly. Till then do not insult those involved in protecting our lives.

munusamy ganapathy

The arguments in favour of fake encounters and coldblooded murders is getting bizarre .The people who are investigating the case,fighting the case too are part of those involved in protecting our lives and selective appropriation of protection to vanjaras and pandeys has little merit

How is it that most of the alleged terrorists were killed in the
early hours before dawn? Why did the encounters stop immediately after
Vanzara was arrested? Did the Gujarat police stop receiving intelligence
inputs thereafter or did the LeT and others stop sending terrorists to
Gujarat?” These questions need answers, Sreekumar said over telephone
from Kerala.

Further, the former ADGP (intelligence) cla­ims, he did not receive
any intelligence inputs from IB during his tenure. The central agency,
he says, did not submit any actionable intelligence before the Godhra
incident or the subsequent riots. How is it, he wonders, that there was
not a single encounter during his tenure but barely after he was shunted
out, the first encounter killing, of Samir Khan Pathan, unfolded.

Sarab

arguments “in favor of”? “murders”? what is the responsibility you take for the terrorist acts to be able to say that the terrorist should not be preventively eliminated? you think by keeping the argument one sided you can win it? answer the second side of the story, dear munusamy.

munusamy ganapathy

dear friend there are procedures to even kill dogs and cheetas and killing them before they being declared maneaters or rabid attracts jail terms and thousands of poor tribals are harassed and jailed for killing cheetaas whom they encounter frequently and lose their lives occasionally
There is nothing called as preventive killing under law.I can understand preventive arrest but preventive killing of a future terrorist or suicide bomber is absolutely illegal and no one can escape prosecution if its proved that it was coldblooded murder or preventive murder as you call

Sarab

dear Munusamy, why are you repeating this “under law” without getting to what will decide what should be “under law” and what does not come under its purview? i raised this question several times but you failed to either understand the question itself or find the answer.

Gaurang G. Vaishnav

Outlook India! Ha, ha, ha! What a credible magazine to refer to!

Vikram

so its come to this? play up the ‘murder’ of 19 year old girl & wife of ‘accused’…’murder’ of 30+ males dont matter? emotionalize the issue, bandy words like ‘murder’ when nothing has been proven..and call for rule of law. Pretty illogical, but not surprising.

Sarab

Read what I wrote. Wars are not fought on IPC sanctions, law and order in a country are not restored on IPC santctions. If you are so uneducated that you do not know the difference between an *individual crime* and *terrorism* which is an offense against a nation, stop arguing. Or have the patience to learn the difference and come back with proper arguments.

Gaurang G. Vaishnav

Very well said, but Munnusamy will not understand. You cannot drill into a R.C.C. mind.

Vasudevan.K

by which party?

Vasudevan.K

so we can assume that you are justified in defending her because she was a moslem? Is this what political partisanship makes people do? I think you’d have been disappointed very much had Ishrat been a Hindu!

Ishrat defenders are deliberately delinking her terrorist background from her death and publicise it as that of an innocent girl being killed! How do you know she was innocent? Why do you prefer to rely on CBI chargesheet alone ignoring earlier declarations by MHA itself?

I thinking you will be appearing in defence of the boy who violated the delhi rape victim in the most gruesome manner.
Just 17 year old; poor moslem boy no?

I think you are coming out in the open betraying your preference for terrorists, whenever they are moslems! That is the Modi effect!

Vikram

“what most agree is the cold blooded..” who’s most- you & NDTV brigade?

“I do not think many lay Congress supporters would be mounting as vigorous a defense of its perpetrators”…Congress workers are JUDGED by how vigorously they defend the various omissions & commissions of their party. This very comment shows up your true colors, friend.

Indian First

The resident Jihadi is awake again puking nonsense.. Read Pravin Swami’s articles asking for ‘evidence’.. the UPA’s own affidavit in 2007, Home secretery’s statements etc. Suddenly when Modi is the Maino clan’s enemy No 1, all these are dumped, a masala story on kidnapping is made by the CBI with unexpected twist saying 3 or 4 IB officers are involved..

Only that the story is not only pathetic but also lacks integrity.As another person had asked

1. Why would Gujarat police arrested someone in Maharashtra? Why can’t they just pick up Gujarati Muslims in Gujarat and kill them in order to get promotions?

2.Ishrat and Javed were sedated and kept in illegal confinement for 3 days at Khodiar farms. Now, you see they were missing for their 3 days, but their families did not file any missing persons report. Why?

3. Innocent Ishrat and Javed were frightened so they ran off to Karnataka, and then he decided to go to his hometown Pune. Now see, any sane person would have driven from Nashik to Pune. But Javed was a special secular man, so he first drove to Karnataka and then started driving towards Pune. (according to the Tehelka article, the two were arrested whie “driving through Karnataka towards his hometown Pune in Maharashtra”).

munusamy ganapathy

IPS officers helping one another to avoid arrests from fake encounters across both UPA and NDA is not evidence.The planting of israt jehan in headley confessions is the classic case of how AK47s or confessions are used by intelligence agencies to justify cold blooded murders.
Can we know the names of indians which headley had dropped in his confession as identified by swamis apart from israt whom he specifically remembered while remembering nothing about anyother acts of terror
If for argument sake its accepted that israt was a terrorist ,does it save people who have killed/gave orders to kill her in a fake encounter from charges of murder

Indian First

“The planting of israt jehan in headley confessions is the classic case of how AK47s or confessions are used by intelligence agencies to justify cold blooded murders.”

How do you know it’s ‘planted’ ? These were from several years back when FBI shared the headley investigations with the IB.

“Can we know the names of indians which headley had dropped in his confession as identified by swamis apart from israt whom he specifically remembered while remembering nothing about anyother acts of terror”

These are called ‘Intelligence’ and hence not shared by the IB except to the state police units. The onus is on the CBI to prove that these are false reports.

“If for argument sake its accepted that israt was a terrorist ,does it save people who have killed/gave orders to kill her in a fake encounter from charges of murder”

Encounters happen all over the country mainly because of what Jagannathan wrote:
“It is most likely that the Gujarat police did what every other police force was doing everywhere else in the country – eliminate those against whom they can’t see a decent chance of securing a conviction legally”

If you bring cases and human rights activists against the police for each of these, then we can forget public safety and succumb to terrorism and all other criminality in this country.

Sat Kumar Tomer

Very good work.

Arun Mehta

what u want writer ? i cannot understand the so much labour put to defend the Modi theory ? do killing is Right ? or wrong? tell through your heart in mind ? what u shall say if she happens to be your sister or mother ? PLease be reasonable and do not bow down before despot .

shankar

I cannot understand so much national resources being used by CONgress to somehow bring Modi’s name into anything contentious which happens in this country.

Wasting CBI on this case is right or wrong? When there are hundreds of encounter cases in UP, Andhra, WB, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, etc.

When you call Modi a ‘despot’, what would you call Sonia as? Please enlighten me.

Arun Mehta

Shanker both are uncomparable and the method used by Modi for winning Gujarat election is known to u very well . His whole premise is sulky and has sullied atmosphere around . Who loves him except despotic mindset ? . Today u may say any thing it may sound good to u but once trigger set in u may repent as sometime we repent emergency . Sonia never made any attempt to subvert his subject as Modi has done in gujarat with sanjay joshi- Kesu bhai etc so choose whichever u likes but with separatist like Badel and others difficult time is ahead .

shankar

Come on man…Sonia does’nt subvert anybody?. I refuse to debate with you just for the sake of this sentence.

The world knows that even the PM is her pet dog (this was written even in international media).

There is absolutely no point in taking this discussion further.

Good bye. Have a nice day

Arun Mehta

To call PM a dog means u have become irrational. Just see the person BY BJP eye , good buy i will never reply now because u call father figure dog can u imagine reverse upon u.

adolf

Saviour or Sonia’s poodle, asks UK paper
you better understand his statement rather than sulking

Gaurang G. Vaishnav

Father figure? If he were my father,, I would die of shame. He is a gutless lap dog of Italian Mafia Queen and a blot on the brave Sikh community.

Happy

ArunKhan go back to Pakistan.

Joseph Anton

Wow – 2 upvotes for such classy and creative comment!

Pls ignore the envy of the perenially down-voted : (

Happy

I don’t why you crying foul for this Jihadi girl. Teach your sister not engange in Anti national activity.

Happy

CBI and Congi is laughing stok of India. Hell bent on destroying India and her security for lousy futail political gain.

Joseph Anton

I fine-tooth combed the comments thread for that standard reponse to any article on CRI regarding Indian politics – regarding mentions of a paid, pro-Congress, Marxist-Islamist mainstream media.

Surprise, surprise – not a single mention of that, esp. for an article that quotes the media so extensively!

Hmmm…why would that be? Got to closely study the involved variables that might have skewed the comment responses.

Very interesting this, I must say, and a fit case for Ms. Barooah to investigate cognitive biases and distortions : )

Lord Voldemort

This is only food for thought for readers , they can make their choice themselves.

1. Doctors believe in “Prevention is better than cure”. The antibiotics can be used for both to inhibit bacterial growth or kill the bacteria after disease has been contracted .What would you prefer? One can argue the person has not yet contracted disease and hence by prescribing a person anti-biotics assuming that he is a would be patient during a rainy season a doctor is serving his monetary interests.

2. The Indian IB contrary to popular perception is among top five Intelligence agencies in the world. The top officers in IB are some of the finest brains in the world for counter terrorism.Here, we have to make discrimination between a petty criminal and terrorists.When IB as an institution on record by affidavits from successive directors say someone is terrorist , I will go by their word. Readers can make their own choice.

3. I also do not subscribe Liquidation as state policy. But I am outraged when NO HUMAN-RIGHT ACTIVIST gets outraged when petty criminals are liquidated by local police at alarmingly regular intervals by the state but when an LeT sleeper cell gets liquidated by Indian IB with clearance from the top, entire HUMAN RIGHTS bogey gets activated.

4. Terrorism is an act of WAR. I agree Geneva Conventions mandate certain protocols even during the emergencies of war. A soldier will follow Geneva Conventions when the matter relates only with his life. But when the moral choice is between honoring human rights of few terrorists or those of hundreds of potential innocents they planned to bomb (Citizens too have right to live) , a soldier/an Intelligence officer has to take that moral call.

5. Unfortunately India is not blessed with demographic dividends of either United States or United Kingdom where you are surrounded by water/ friendly nations. We border with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan ,Nepal all safe -heavens/transport hubs for dreaded terrorist organisations.

Make no mistake about it, it is because of the Indian IB and R&AW officers and their judicial/extra-judicial behavior the likes of us have luxury to sit in front of desktops and express our opinions about their moral pointers. INDIA has too may external/internal enemies and too few officers to do the duty. If you hound them also, one day will come when every man/woman/child will have to fend for themselves & their families and we would become next Afghanistan/Pakistan.

I recommend the readers to go though the articles by Praveen Swami on Firstpost and Shekhar Gupta in Indian Express to read more.

Finally ,An eminent Criminal lawyer once said ” YOU CAN NOT FIGHT TERRORISM WITH LAWS MADE FOR PICKPOCKETS.”

Sarab

Well said.

#3: That is because several NGOs in India including human rights are hand-in-glove with vested interest groups. In a way it is similar to the fraudulent humanists who make no noise about large scale cow slaughter but make noise about “treatment of animals” at a micro level which happens at much smaller scale. But in many ways more dangerous – they have seriously compromised India’s ability to combat terrorism.

#4: Yes terrorism is an act of war – however the war that international laws talk of are ones where states are involved. Terrorism is war against nation, not always against state. And for this laws cannot be, need not be and should not be international, they have to be national. But the fact that it is not a multiple of individual crimes but a war is something that needs recognition. And the scope of human rights have to be spelt according to that. After all it is a contest between human rights of innocents vs terrorists, and the NGOs favor the latter – making them culpable in the crime/war against the nation.

Gaurang G. Vaishnav

Thank you, well said.

munusamy ganapathy

The glorification of IB cannot be even taken with a pinch of salt as they are from the same police force and change with every government and do the jobs of their political masters.The top 5 in the world was really a bonetickler even in a post supporting cold blooded murderers.

Their main job is to keep a tab on the opponents within the party and outside and there will be thousands of IB reports to justify emergency on how an imminent coup/destabilisation of the country is planned by antinational forces
The governorships landing with IB officers is for the political hitjobs done by them and not for hollywood heorism showed in service.
The words of sreekumar EX ADGP gujarat in outlook will give an idea of how the intelligence officer brought specifically by the CM speaking the same language as CM blaming the opposition leader.
The arguments of prevention against rabies by killing stray dogs have been stopped by various lobbies who where ministers in NDA as it affects just the poor who walk in the nights or sleep in open and thousands die every year of rabies which is more than the total number of people dead in terrorist activities.
The support for preventive murders will make a hitler out of every person who comes to power

Sarab

Do you even know what you are talking about? Is IB information source something you are equipped to judge? Do you even know how terrorism is *fought*?

“The support for preventive murders”

Your lack of integrity shows out here – every single killing that happens in a war is a “murder”?

munusamy ganapathy

Can we be expecting articles in support of the IB officer who migrated to US and any investigations on that episode as demoralising to IB.Why is investigation of rogue officers who behaved as henchmen for politicians considered as demoralising.
Are the supporters of fake encounters sure of absence of any rougue elements/double agents in intelligence services.The sudden rise in stories of how illegal activities of IB has saved people is nothing but playing to the galleries to help rogues who misused their power to settle scores for their masters.Organisations who refuse accept those who are languishing in jails abroad for decades on espionage suddenly comes out with stories making john grisham novels a pale shadow on the importance of IB and need for illegal coldblooded murders in the interests of the nation.
The hindutwavadis may clap even for murder of lalu or mulayam by double agents on IB guidance on the pretext of saving the nation as they have all chances of becoming PM and ruining the nation.
There is no end to the argument in favour of coldblooded murders for the wellbeing of nation and its time we add using to patriotism is the last refuge of a a scoundrel

Sarab

Where is the responsibility for the terrorist acts in the first place, for you to talk about preventive elimination? You think by keeping the argument one sided
you can win it? Answer the second side of the story, dear Munusamy. If you don’t have the answer as to how the war of terrorism is fought, then do some basic study before raising questions.