Will Ms. Marvel Be Introduced In ‘The Avengers 2′ or Phase 3?

More female characters! That’s something superhero films genuinely need more of. While Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow stole a few scenes in The Avengers, she did so as the team’s only non-white-male combatant. Her screen time even helped push out the only other female teammate Wasp, a founding member of the team in Marvel Comics, who was in earlier drafts of The Avengers screenplay.

For next year’s sequel, The Avengers: Age of Ultron, Elizabeth Olsen suits up as Scarlet Witch and will join the team as one of its new members, alongside Aaron Taylor-Johnson who will play her brother Quicksilver. We found out today that Vision will enlist in Earth’s Mightiest in the fight against Ultron as well, to be played by Paul Bettany. Still, with the growing Avengers roster and new characters being introduced before and after with Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man, respectively, there’s a significant gender imbalance, and a female character has yet to headline a Marvel Studios feature film.

Captain America: The First Avenger fan-fave Hayley Atwell, one half of Marvel Studios’ best love story to date, got a chance to shine in the Marvel One-Shot Agent Carter and the positive response helped Marvel greenlight a TV series based on it on ABC. Also on TV, Jessica Jones will be one of four characters getting their own series on Netflix, so it’s clear the studio is taking strides to bring more powerful female characters to life. In theaters however, this has yet to translate.

Thor and Thor: The Dark World star Natalie Portman hinted months ago that Marvel is planning a female superhero movie and the most talked about candidate for who could lead their own feature one day is Ms. Marvel. With Vision joining The Avengers sequel, there’s another long-running rumor we’re revisiting that Ms. Marvel could also be introduced. She’s been namedropped by Marvel co-president Louis D’Esposito as a character of interest for a Marvel One-Shot and Hollywood talent ranging from Yvonne Strahovski and Katee Sackhoff to Emily Blunt and Ruth Wilson have all at one point talked about or been rumored for the role. There’s even been rumors of Black Panther showing up in The Avengers sequel in some small way – all of these things potentially laying the foundation for larger roles for them in the future.

Add to this the report that Marvel Studios may be planning a quick release for the Guardians of the Galaxy sequel with it taking the tentative May 6, 2016 slot claimed by Disney last summer and that leaves either a third Captain America/Thor movie for May 2017, and two unannounced titles we’re told will likely be new franchises coming later in each of those two years. Doctor Strange is the unofficially confirmed title potentially taking one of the two and the other has remained quite a mystery. For a while it seemed The Inhumans might be the obvious choice, but as we learn more and more about properties and characters the studio is interested in, Hulk, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel are all candidates too, albeit less likely ones.

If Ms. Marvel gets her introduction in The Avengers 2 next year – and we don’t know how her origin story will fit with so much focus being placed on Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and new villain Ultron (James Spader) – it could be a late addition by writer and director Joss Whedon to quickly setup her own solo film. At the same time, Marvel could also be attempting to beat competitor Warner Bros and DC Entertainment to the punch in getting a female-led feature greenlit (i.e. Ms. Marvel before Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman). Coincidentally, Warner Bros. turned down Joss Whedon’s Wonder Woman script years ago – a good motivator to launch Ms. Marvel first.

What could also lend credence to the idea of Ms. Marvel getting a big screen debut is in how the character is getting a big push in the comics. Marvel uses all of their entertainment mediums to help promote the films – just look at how Guardians of the Galaxy exploded in the comics front and how it’s getting an animated series (reportedly airing next fall). Carol Danvers has traditionally taken up the Ms. Marvel alias in the comics but new character Kamala Khan, Marvel’s first Muslim character to headline a book, has taken up the mantel for the third volume of the Ms. Marvel series which debuted to critical acclaim this week. Danvers meanwhile, lives on as Captain Marvel.

If Marvel Studios wants to boost the diversity of The Avengers, bringing in not only a super-powered female, but a Muslim character (i.e. Khan instead of Danvers) would be a very smart way to go. Could even have them both in a Ms. Marvel film. And yes, we all want Black Panther to join the Marvel Cinematic Universe soon too! Did I mention that Khan is an Inhuman? Let the obvious speculative connections to an Inhumans movie and the source of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver’s powers begin!

For comparison sake, Carol Danvers is a little overpowered for the film universe. She can fly, move super fast, has super strength and can absorb and fire energy blasts. Kamala Khan on the other hand, is a little more grounded and can almost be compared to Mr. Fantastic in that she can stretch her limbs and change her shape.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier hits theaters April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014, The Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1, 2015, Ant-Man on July 17, 2015, and unannounced films for May 6 2016, July 8 2016 and May 5 2017.

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Dr Mindbender1 year ago

The pressure is on now for a super-powered female.

FOX could have been the first to do this with Rogue… but… yeah…

If only Trish Stratus could act. *sighs* I’ve been referring to her as Ms. Marvel for years.

did rouge steal her powers (strength, flight) from miss marvel thats how it was explained in the 90s cartoon? maybe there was some contract problem like how marvel cant say that QS and SW are magnitos kids?

You’re kind of ambiguous with your meaning. Do you mean in a lead role in their own feature film? Because otherwise besides Rogue, the various studios putting out Marvel-related comic properties have had Jean Grey, Storm, Mystique, Invisible Woman, Emma Frost, Angel and Sif in various films (with varying degrees of success). I would never say no to more well done female characters but, once again, “first” isn’t really up for grabs anymore.

re: Vision …. as all other rumors, etc – when did Marvel or Joss Whedon formally announce Vision will be in the movie? why is everyone assuming this is correct ? Even if the rumored reports are true and Paul Bettany was on the set and even if he was being done make up test on (which in itself is kind of hard to believe that so many people would be privy to – that a spy would be able to report so specifically on). Is it likely and possible he Bettany went to visit the set – sure of course. Is it plausible he’ll play Vision and that was Marvel’s plan all along – DEFINITELY (considering he fits the role perfectly – including his height – he’s 6 foot plus).

BUT …. please all readers – stop assuming every rumor is true. Here’s how’s casting works for major movies: there are at 1st very few people in on it – ie. the casting director (and their small staff) – the main producers, directors & top level crew. So few people that any potential leak can be determined very quickly – especially this early in the process. So always take any & all rumor with a major grain of salt – or least do go making SOOOOO many assumptions based on VERY little facts (if any).

Do I hope the rumors are correct ? SURE – he’d be great – is there a chance he might just be meeting with Joss for possible future movies – also – very likely. And also – please stop trying to assume you (or any average reader) or ANY websites – know for sure anything about the actors contracts – unless you have it in your hands (which you don’t) – and even if you do – FYI – contracts can be extended, amended at anytime – very common for such large movies.

So also stop assuming RDJ, Chris Evans, SLJ or any of the actors – might not just extended their contracts and increasing their paychecks, etc – as Marvel will likely do whatever they can to keep all the actors for as many movies as they can (yes even as they get older).

I think this is just dumb, its like having the character New Line, or Warner Bros showing up in the movie, its a little to spot on. I mean how does she explain her name? “Oh I was named after a comic book publishers wet dream, but come meet my friend Ms Nike, she runs really fast!!!”

You forgot Ant-Man, LOL. I think that’s the most ridiculous superhero name of them all even iron-fist sounds more intimidating and interesting. The title names that you brought up are a poor example of lame names for super heroes there are a lot worse names out there like captain boomerang. What insertoil is trying to say is if you want to be taken seriously as a title hero you should have a name that sounds intriguing to catch the audiences attention or they’ll laugh at first reaction at the same time I understand what you are saying that execution is key to turn things around but ultimately the title name will always be a joke. I personally don’t see anything wrong with the name Ms. Marvel I always thought that was an interesting name meaning the character is practically impervious to anything thrown at her. For a character named ant-man is just ridiculous and sounds like a parody title for super hero genres.

By the way Stan Lee himself stated he loved the name Batman because it sounded mysterious.

@cricker If you find the naming conventions so problematic maybe comic book-based movies, especially ones focused on super heroes, aren’t really for you. After all, we live in a world where people come up with crazy screen names, and crazy to outright stupid nicknames for themselves all the time, to say nothing about some of the absolutely inane names they give their children… so yeah, someone getting super powers and naming themselves Captain or Ms. Marvel shouldn’t be that big a deal in comparison.

Wasn’t Ms Marvel something invented while Marvel and DC had that trademark battle in court over the Captain Marvel name as their way of having a similarly powered character but gender swapped and with a slight name tweak to keep the books going until the lawsuit was settled?

Saying that though, Marvel didn’t come up with the Captain Marvel character that debuted a year after Superman did but their 60s creation with the exact same name was the reason they had the lawsuit, won it and got to keep the name while DC’s Captain Marvel was unofficially named Shazam! on his front covers.

That’s as far as I always saw it anyway so yeah, not sure if it was vanity or just laziness on the part of writers coming up with literally hundreds of new characters all the time and a deadline to meet for the new book (most likely the latter, as I know from personal experience with my own characters and pieces of writing that number into the hundreds).

I can see the Carol Danvers character popping up in any M.C.U. film or AoS or its possible S.W.O.R.D. followup. I don’t see is a Ms. Marvel film. Definitely can see a Captain Marvel film with a Kree male as a way of setting up an Avengers film post-Phase IV but I think common sense will prevail in the end. All of them, Marvel, Fox, Sony and DC too have to be worried about messing up a good thing…….and there’s no quicker way of doing that than overkill..

With Cage and Jessica Jones on netflix… what i’m really looking forward to is black panther… we all know at some point.. .he’s coming in…

Ms.Marvel though..would be a great character to use. Don’t know which version would translate well on screen…

In essence, I think Marvel are waiting for a great pitch…a good story to tell. They definitely have Ms.Marvel on the horizon. The inhuman connection could really play well..maybe as the end of an Inhuman Movie scene that leads to the introduction of Ms.Marvel.

I never understood this argument either. People quite easily watch a 20 min episode with 10 or more superheroes in it and understand the plot fine and enjoy it. But woah wait a minute, a 2-3 hour film with more than 5 superheroes…brain can not compute…

My attention span is pretty good, so I wouldn’t mind a number of superheroes in one movie. If I can sit thru animated movies that have alot of characters, then I can sit thru a movie with that as well. No different than any other movie with multiple characters. (ex. The Godfather, The Outsiders, The Warriors)

I’m all for a Ms. Marvel movie but not before Black Panther. She needs to take a number. A movie shouldn’t be made simply because they want a female hero movie before WB’s wonder woman, but if it fits into the Thanos/infinity gauntlet storyline… then that’s the only reason I would accept this film before T’Challa’s. With Guardians 2 taking may 2016 and Dr. Strange likely in summer 2016, then with Thor 3 in may 2017, Ms. Marvel could be the summer 2017 release. Then Cap 3 in spring of 2018 and avengers 3 in summer 2018. Ms. Marvel would bump Panther and hulk to phase 4.

Yeah I think she’s only appearing as Carol Danvers. Rhodey is in the film so she might be introduced as a colleague of his. And I doubt this is a late addition just to compete with WB/DC, Marvel is known for planning things in advance. If you think is a late addition you’re only kidding yourself.

When the “need” for diversity trumps the natural progression of a good story I lose interest. Placing such an importance on forced diversity actually hurts the cause itself. I know superman’s white, but tbh I know latino kids and black kids who pretend to be him. Superheroes don’t embody their race or gender, they embody their ideals. If we think people are too stupid to pick up on that I’ve lost all hope in humanity.

Star Trek wasn’t shoehorned or forced. That was giving a fair shake to groups and peoples who up to that point had very limited representation in the industry and lead roles in general. I would argue that there is no shortage of that these days.

“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.” -Gene Roddenberry

It was indeed forced. It was forced to be the theme. To teach viewers the lessons in diversity.

The studio even held them back on several points bcuz in their minds, “it wasn’t believable.” Such as having a female second in command.

They pioneered diversity on television. Today we should enforce it and keep it going.

IMO what drew me to Sam Alexander (Latest Nova) was that he was Hispanic. He turned out to be a great character and I’m an ongoing reader with his awesome new series.

Yeah I’m not anti-diversity, but I do have an issue with the affirmative action model when dealing with the issue. Rather than reflecting reality and taking an approach that doesn’t see race, color, gender, whatever and bases merit solely on ability and character, I find most modern attempts to show diversity to be unrealistic and forced. That’s all.

I realize you won’t understand this, but that mindset is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

It worked flawlessly in Star Trek because Roddenberry based the series around the concept AND because it was a simpler time. It was almost ridiculously natural because of that, which is (imo) no small part of it’s enduring appeal. It wasn’t a wide variety of races getting together preaching about racial/ethnic/cultural diversity (which is what it always degenerates into nowadays), it was a crew of PEOPLE on a mission.

For it to work as well and as naturally in the comics and comic-related movies it would have to have been an original part of the premise, it wasn’t and the person to blame for lack of diversity in comics, Marvel especially, is Stan Lee. The irony is he wanted to make all these grandiose social statements in his books but he chose not to in what would have probably been the way that would have made the most substantial, lasting impact: character creation and team building. We wouldn’t be going through many of these debates now if he had made an original member of the original team of Avengers, Fantastic Four or X-Men anything besides Caucasian. It took almost 15 years and Len Wein’s work on the “All New” X-Men relaunch to do that.

You can also blame recent comics. With all these relaunches and retcons they could easily… EASILY I tell you, have added plenty of diversity, but both the major companies have largely chosen to go with the safer status quo, and that is what the movies are going to be largely based off of, what’s going on in the actual comics. Until there’s a larger, sustained movement in that industry any progress in movies/tv is going to be slow and contentious.

“They pioneered diversity on television. Today we should enforce it and keep it going.”

Problem number 1: only American/white culture is expected to diversify. There’s no movement to incorporate such a diversity of other races and/or cultures into Japanese or African American or Hispanic film or television. It’s apparently only if it’s all or mostly white that it’s not considered alright.

“IMO what drew me to Sam Alexander (Latest Nova) was that he was Hispanic.”

Problem number 2: the double standard. Substitute the word “Hispanic” in that sentence with any other term but “white” and the general consensus from the PC police is that it’s ok. Then try to replace it with “white” and it magically becomes a completely racist statement. Double standards don’t create diversity, they create more divisions.

Until people realize this, any potential progress will be fitful and yes, forced, at best.

All that said, I really don’t care either way. I’m just tired of the one-sided “diversity” argument. They make Johnny Storm African American I’d still go see a FF movie (and hope it’s better than the first 2). And changing Captain Marvel’s ethnicity wouldn’t bother me because it’s been done before… and Monica Rambeau is, in my mind, still the best CM Marvel has had. But I hope they make sure the story works, because doing it just because… DIVERSITY!… is just a bad idea and will lose them more support in the long run than it gains.

“It wasn’t a wide variety of races getting together preaching about racial/ethnic/cultural diversity”

Then why was Bones (Human) at a constant conflict with Spock’s Vulcan mindset in every episode? They’d always preach about the differences between the Vulcan and Klingon cultures. Vulcans mostly.

Let alone mostly every episode would take you to a foreign/alien planet with different cultures that would conflict with an Earther’s mindset.

“Problem number 2: the double standard. Substitute the word “Hispanic” in that sentence with any other term but “white” and the general consensus from the PC police is that it’s ok. Then try to replace it with “white” and it magically becomes a completely racist statement. Double standards don’t create diversity, they create more divisions.”

I’m Mexican, the fact that Sam has descendants from a Spanish speaking culture made me think, “Nice! A superhero who’s household is just like mine!” Therefore that’s what drew me into reading about him in the beginning. An as I got to know him as an individual I liked him even more and also for other reasons/Nova Corps related.

Also, Sam is of a Spanish cultural descent. They never really used any labeling words in the comic to tell you. I used the word “Hispanic” bcuz that’s what wiki had used to describe his descendants. Sorry if I offended you in some way shape or form.

OK first. Call her Carroll Danvers, Ms Marvel is a ridiculous awful name. Make her brunette. Get rid of the stupid, cliche garbage useless mask, so stupid and awful, especially for live action. Next, make her costume and overcoat or body suit like Jim Lee Rogue. Voila! Success!

I have to ask, when did Ms. Marvel (and Black Panther for that matter) gain such a huge following? I feel a little out of touch since my comic book collecting days were 1990-2002 (ish). I have read about every avengers book prior to 2002 and never were either one all that great or popular. Was there newer stories that made them so amazing?

That being said, I would enjoy seeing Carol Danvers on screen. I think with Wonder Woman coming up in BvS that this would be a good way for Marvel to also show that women are strong and intelligent people not just the typical Eye Candy they have used them for in the past.

TOO MUCH! Personally I think all this superhero stuff is becoming too expanded. It’s fine to make a few films about heroes or heroines that the average cinema-goer knows but all these minor characters are just pointless. Who cares about Ms Marvel, or Spidergirl or whatever they’re just re-treads of what has already been. It’s only comic-geeks that really care about them. Ultimately the comic book world, in cinematic terms, will end up blowing itself out. Oh and then they will be rebooted… yawn.. Don’t get me wrong I do love a bit of escapism with a good action flick like Avengers or MoS but I really couldn’t care less about minor characters having their own crack at the limelight.

We have also seen War Machine (D.Cheadle) as Ironman’s sidekick and we will soon see Falcon (A.Mackie) as Captain America’s sidekick.

In 2015 we are getting first Quicksilver (A.Taylor), Scarlet Witch (E.Olsen), Vision (P.Bettany?) and possibly a glimpse at Ms Marvel (rumours above); and then we are also getting Antman (P.Rudd and M.Douglas) and Wasp (E.Lilly?).

Ah! And let’s also not forget that Doctor Strange (J.Depp?) and Black Panther (?) are coming up for sure before Avengers 3.

Basically that’s already 16 Avengers characters that have been cast, or are about to be cast, with hardly any controversy.

To DC: is it really that difficult not to piss everybody off when casting?

So….another hero for avengers2……I’m not digging this anymore. I mean really that’s another hero to explain to audiences. You have scarlet witch and quicksilver, vision now and ms marvel…..ok I has a question…where the f**k were they durring any of the crap going on in any movies?

Vison we can explain as a creation of ultron. But you neeed to explain quicksilver and sw. As well as ms marvel…..I know I’m gonna here don’t worry whedon can handle it…but with the way he’s so quick to change canon this seems like a pi$$ing contest now.

Wb announces wonder woman in mos sequel…..casts an isralie actress.

Marvel announces ms marvel in AoU…..casts a muslim woman?

And saying it is all to beat dc? Why? Does it matter? Are they that petty? Who the f**k cares if we see wonder woman or ms marvel or she hulk first? They are all different characters! With different backstories and powers.

This whole article was a waste of time and is just trying to put more focus on a nom exsitant war between marvel and dc.