Important for the players !Pity, but as we can see on fmjd web: http://fmjd.org/?p=calend this tournament is out of fmjd rating system. So no changes in ratings, no FMJD norms...Of course it can be changed but it is question of organizers wish. How to do it ? Very easy -> just ask Your own federation or me.

Yes indeed, it is very pity for the players. But also for the tournament organizations and for the FMJD!! The Dutch tournament organizers disagree with the new ridiculous financial policy of the FMJD . They don’t want to be used for the financial problems of the FMJD. That’s why they decide not to pay for these financial consequences of organizing a recognized international tournament. So until this moment tournaments such as Barnsteen, ThailandOpen, Salou Open, The Hague Open, Nijmegen Open, Brunsum Open, Hiltex Zeeland Open, Tavira Open and Groningen Seaports Masters are not yet recognized for the FMJD ratings/titles (but luckily, and maybe more important, they are recognized for the KNDB-rating!)That’s a very pitiful situation, and I’m sure this is a great devaluation of the FMJD-ratingsystem.Who’s responsible for that? Who can solve this unwanted situation? What is the best solution for this problem? Mr Pawlicki, now I’m asking you: Do you know the answer?

Of course I KNOW !FMJD General Assambly.I just USE the rules and as You know I'm trying to do my best to grow up rating system. Therefore I decide to make this remark at this place. By the way ... 50 euro to fmjd to be recognized it is NOTHING NEW !!! It exist years ... minimum 20 !!! The problem was that nobody caring about it. It is almost the same like with reporting competition. Never ending story ... MOST of tournaments reports coming to fmjd for rating/titles after remainders ...

Hallo Jacek, I heard off course about this idea in Berlin. As I said there, a wrong idea.Why should we have the FMJD as the FMJD react like this.A couple off Years and the FMJD can stop.

During GA was a discussion about future and NEW contribution system from 2011. But CONTRIBUTION to be recognized EXIST for years !!! Nothing new .... Please understand also my position - I AM A USER OF THIS RULES. My personal opinion is not important. If we/You like to change something let think about it and come to GA with new ideas. But of course do not forget that fmjd need something in cash to exist !!! This is also important ! Just contributions to SportAccord and IMSA it is something ... If we dont like to pay any kind of contributions - thats ok, but ... we need to find other sources or cancel some activities. Rating calculations, web site etc ... not a big problem ... it exist for free. But FMJD have some more obligations ...

With rating from my point of view the real problem is that many organizers and/or referees think that this is MY DUTY to search on web results and calculate it. NO! It is up to referees to send report just after the competition. It is EXTREMELY easy. TM and ChessArbiter producers (Jan Messeling and Adam Curylo) made an option "Send report to fmjd". EVEN with this a lot of referees have a problem. Let me give few example from the last moths:1). I found on web tournament. Finished month ago - I send a remainder to the referee ... the answer was "Oh sorry, I was so ill just after the tournament" ... 2). My notebook was stolen so WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME ! (as a consequence I personally RECONSTRUCT all competition based on different sources and also TDb) 3). WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME ... Just look at web if You want something ... 4). Directly after this championship I spend 2 weeks with my wife on holidays so i was not able to fulfill YOUR (?!!) wish. ....never ending story ... but, let me repeat ... ALL what referees should do it is to input data correctly into software and USE OPTION SEND TO FMJD !!!

P.S.I was never ill, my notebook was never stolen, I was never on holiday Ratings always ready 4 times per year EXACTLY at the date as it should be.

Important for the players !Pity, but as we can see on fmjd web: http://fmjd.org/?p=calend this tournament is out of fmjd rating system. So no changes in ratings, no FMJD norms...Of course it can be changed but it is question of organizers wish. How to do it ? Very easy -> just ask Your own federation or me.

Yes indeed, it is very pity for the players. But also for the tournament organizations and for the FMJD!! The Dutch tournament organizers disagree with the new ridiculous financial policy of the FMJD . They don’t want to be used for the financial problems of the FMJD. That’s why they decide not to pay for these financial consequences of organizing a recognized international tournament. So until this moment tournaments such as Barnsteen, ThailandOpen, Salou Open, The Hague Open, Nijmegen Open, Brunsum Open, Hiltex Zeeland Open, Tavira Open and Groningen Seaports Masters are not yet recognized for the FMJD ratings/titles (but luckily, and maybe more important, they are recognized for the KNDB-rating!)That’s a very pitiful situation, and I’m sure this is a great devaluation of the FMJD-ratingsystem.Who’s responsible for that? Who can solve this unwanted situation? What is the best solution for this problem? Mr Pawlicki, now I’m asking you: Do you know the answer?

Of course I KNOW !FMJD General Assambly.I just USE the rules and as You know I'm trying to do my best to grow up rating system. Therefore I decide to make this remark at this place. By the way ... 50 euro to fmjd to be recognized it is NOTHING NEW !!! It exist years ... minimum 20 !!! The problem was that nobody caring about it. It is almost the same like with reporting competition. Never ending story ... MOST of tournaments reports coming to fmjd for rating/titles after remainders ...

Thank you for your quick response. Of course I know that it is approved by the General Assembly, but I was wondering who is responsible for this worst idea of the year. I’ve understood, that for the year 2010 the recognition policy will be the same as last year, so I expect not a lot of problems, but after 2010 we have to face a big problem. We understand your position. We know that you are just doing your job, and you are doing it very well. No doubt about that. But until this moment the situation is that no one of the Dutch organizers of the Open tournaments I mentioned before agreed with the new financial policy in case of recognizing their tournament. So they are not willing to pay all the unreasonable contributions and taxes on the tournaments, because it is disastrous for the tournaments. Then we have a serious problem. Not only for the players and organizers but especially for the FMJD. The FMJD will make a fool of themselves and will not be taken seriously anymore.That is not a healthy situation for our sport, and that’s why we have to look for a good solution.

Let keep 2010 as it is (and should be in the past) and let just DISCUSS ! I dont think that somebody from CD like to 'kill' something in our draughts-movement even quite differently. Lets discuss... lets think seriously about all our common problems etc... We mast be reasonable !Let's tournaments organizers do one step (reporting correctly, without any delay and in good form, paying 50 euro fee) and from other site let us (CD members) think seriously about all this system.

Quote Jacek:"Let keep 2010 as it is (and should be in the past) and let just DISCUSS ! I dont think that somebody from CD like to 'kill' something in our draughts-movement even quite differently. Lets discuss... lets think seriously about all our common problems etc... We mast be reasonable !Let's tournaments organizers do one step (reporting correctly, without any delay and in good form, paying 50 euro fee) and from other site let us (CD members) think seriously about all this system."

Jacek, I have to say a strange way to start a discussion. You put information on the form, that will start at 2011, with the suggestion that it will alreaddy start in 2010. Not my way.

It was a idea from the CD, and You were totally agree. So don't do if You are the messenger and nothing more.

To change this rule it can be only done in 2011, when the rule is alreaddy started. For me it is not clear what You want, putting Your informations by 2 topics over tournaments?Only starting a discussion?

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