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Oh, I was under the impression that they 'skipped' alot of material due to time constraints, but the animated portions were mostly from the novel. Guess they had to change alot of stuff as well to cram it in 12 epispodes

They've been drastically changing stuff since the middle of season 1, and they stopped really caring about how much they changed in season 2. It's certainly not inclusive to season 4.

There is still an apparent difference, though. In the early seasons (particularly the middle two), they made changes to the anime despite having the flexibility to adapt the source as they more or less chose (to a certain point). With the last season, a few things notwithstanding, they appeared to be trying to gloss over all the novel content with about as much care as they could do given that they had about 20 minutes per novel (which is to say, not nearly enough by a long shot to be true to the source). I think what Nochgo is saying is still true to a certain degree that, in this season's case, the main enemy was the episode count, and not so much willingness to acknowledge the novels.

I do think, though, that strict faithfulness to the novels was never an objective of the production from day one. And to be fair, back in those days, it wasn't as common for anime to follow their source material as strictly as can sometimes happens now. I think expectations have changed a bit over the years (perhaps in part because of shows like this).

Anyway, these are things that should probably be discussed in the overall impressions thread, since it really isn't about Episode 12 in particular.

There is still an apparent difference, though. In the early seasons (particularly the middle two), they made changes to the anime despite having the flexibility to adapt the source as they more or less chose (to a certain point). With the last season, a few things notwithstanding, they appeared to be trying to gloss over all the novel content with about as much care as they could do given that they had about 20 minutes per novel (which is to say, not nearly enough by a long shot to be true to the source). I think what Nochgo is saying is still true to a certain degree that, in this season's case, the main enemy was the episode count, and not so much willingness to acknowledge the novels.

I do think, though, that strict faithfulness to the novels was never an objective of the production from day one. And to be fair, back in those days, it wasn't as common for anime to follow their source material as strictly as can sometimes happens now. I think expectations have changed a bit over the years (perhaps in part because of shows like this).

Anyway, these are things that should probably be discussed in the overall impressions thread, since it really isn't about Episode 12 in particular.

I think Znt anime is part of the reason attitudes towards shows changed. The ZnT novels is pretty popular while anime season one had a good run all and all it just wasnt all that great as one could expect and one of the reasons to blame was a lot of changes placed in the storyline.

Season one already made changes (not needed to fit the but simply for a variety). This however eventually came to bite them in the ass as others seasons that followed had to take in those changes and write the scenes similar but still different based on the changes. The fact that for a season 2 and 3 they had horrible director and script writer teamwork did not help the matters any.

Season 4 tried to follow the novels more but with the screw ups coming mostly from season 2 and 3 and a very compressed rate it was impossible to do. It could be done bit better but not much.

Season 4 could be better but the main blame still goes to shitty season 2 and 3 as well as the need to fit a whole freaking novel volume in 20 minutes while other shows usually take 4 episodes at least on one volume.

On the other hand the shows that followed closely the source usually did better than those that did not. And the argument that "it would be boring you need something new to surprise those who read the novels" lost any credibility.

All and all I think ZnT certainly played its role as a bad example of what heppens when anime practically rapes the source plotline and the struggles trying to create their own (whic in ZnT case mostly consisted of the variety of numbers boobs bounced and Louise ran explosion on Saito).

If they really want to cram a lot of material into four 12-episode seasons, methinks they should cut down on the fanservice, yeah?

They still had to at least follow up with the seasons two and three that sucked totally and the main plotline was called boobs but there were people who were watching for this so cuting it completely off would have been too drastic.

All and all a lot of leads to the two seasons before that were made by the incapable and very unsuited for the job people and the need to cram a lots of stuff in in the last season.

I don't know what to rate this. Both stupid as hell and a lot of fun. Queen in battle gear. Day-um! Took a screen shot of her. Massive facepalm on the F-16 but the animation was pretty slick. Loved the ending when they go to Japan. So I'll give the series 5/10 and the final 8/10.

I don't know what to rate this. Both stupid as hell and a lot of fun. Queen in battle gear. Day-um! Took a screen shot of her. Massive facepalm on the F-16 but the animation was pretty slick. Loved the ending when they go to Japan. So I'll give the series 5/10 and the final 8/10.

At least the very end wasn't bad. I mean actually having those two get together and married is something I didn't expect. Not that this will necessarily stop things with Saito's level of harem. Even willing to ignore the lack of logic that they needed the now non-existent power to open the portal enough so he and Louise can start visiting his world. Considering that I almost expected some sad harem scene to end the series, I'll take this.

Still this does make me worry about how easy it is to steal military jets.

Overall it could be worse. This series gave up any chance of a solid conclusion once things long before this final season got started. In the end it wasn't that bad as an episode. Fought a dragon, killed a dragon, and the main couple got together. All things considered I'll take it.

We know Louise, Tiffania and Pope. BUT WHO THE HECK IS THE 4th familiar. This is still not completed yet.

Anyone know who's the 4h void user?

Really good ending. I want to see what they did in Saito world.

Spoiler for 4th Void:

Tabitha's sister
she has a twin sister
Tabitha was kidnapped by Julio after becoming the queen of Galia, and we found out she has a twin sister living on a far away island, Julio took her sister here and replaced Tabitha with her, thus Romaria gaining control over Galia. Julio also becomes the 4TH Void Tsukaima, so Saito has God's Left Hand and God's Heart, while Julio has God's Right Hand and God's Head.

If it wasn't that i really loved this series from the very beginning, despite all the incoherences and what not, i would have disliked this. I started watching animes just last year, and this was one of the very first titles i came across. I never read the novel, but just sticked to the anime adaption, because at the time i cared only for animes. After having watched the 3 seasons i didn't feel like reading the last volumes, so i just waited for the 4th season. I felt like many things were rushed, but i was still able to accept them.

I'm in a state where i like this series so much that i am able to forgive all the bullshit they threw in there, just smiling at them and wondering "what if".

But getting on an objective point of view, seriously:

Spoiler for much spoilers:

1) When Saito is first summoned, doesn't he give a flying crap about what his parents may think? And when he gets back, how is he meant to explain everything?

2) How the fuck does he get the plane? Rofl, that part me laugh hard: if i ever tried to get in a military base i'd probably get shot on sight, but he's Zero familiar, and he's acknowledge by Japan's government aswell, so they let him do whatever the fuck he wants, let alone ride one of those F16, right.

3) Just how much convenient was that that exact day there was an eclipse in his world? And how was he so sure that it'd have worked?

4) Did they turn Derf into a plane, or into runes just not to make spectators sad or what? Kinda rapes the "sad" moment where Derf "dies".

4.5) To launch the last explosion, Louise drained all the power of Saito, but it didn't result in any kind of loss for the latter: convenient or is it explained in the novel?

5) Did i have to wait for the last episode to have Saito dressed in a different set of clothes or what? Did he use that shit for years, or Henrietta opened an industry to reproduce his clothes nonstop (since louise destroyed them every episode)?

6) They involved Tiffa and made her the 3rd or 4th (whatever) Void user, but she didn't really play any important role: she was only able to use that only spell and to slam her boobs around. Also, if anyone had time, care to explain how can Saito be the familiar of 2 mages, what does this cause, and many more questions that could be born from this? Is it explained in the novel?

7) I wonder what could people think of a wacko dressed in mage clothes hanging around in Tokyo, eating stuff. Care to change your clothes into something more... appropriate, miss Valliere?

8) Those 4 mercenaries... did they have some more space in the novel, or they were just side characters fated to fade away after one episode or two?

9) The whole desert elves thingie... was it more developed in the novel, or is it just me that felt that this thing was rushed? There are still many questions left pending about this...

The second half of the last season felt rushed like hell, many characters faded away just after one episode, and i could list an infinite amount of incoherences and what not... Despite that, i still loved this series.

If it wasn't that i really loved this series from the very beginning, despite all the incoherences and what not, i would have disliked this. I started watching animes just last year, and this was one of the very first titles i came across. I never read the novel, but just sticked to the anime adaption, because at the time i cared only for animes. After having watched the 3 seasons i didn't feel like reading the last volumes, so i just waited for the 4th season. I felt like many things were rushed, but i was still able to accept them.

I'm in a state where i like this series so much that i am able to forgive all the bullshit they threw in there, just smiling at them and wondering "what if".

But getting on an objective point of view, seriously:

Spoiler for much spoilers:

1) When Saito is first summoned, doesn't he give a flying crap about what his parents may think? And when he gets back, how is he meant to explain everything?

2) How the fuck does he get the plane? Rofl, that part me laugh hard: if i ever tried to get in a military base i'd probably get shot on sight, but he's Zero familiar, and he's acknowledge by Japan's government aswell, so they let him do whatever the fuck he wants, let alone ride one of those F16, right.

3) Just how much convenient was that that exact day there was an eclipse in his world? And how was he so sure that it'd have worked?

4) Did they turn Derf into a plane, or into runes just not to make spectators sad or what? Kinda rapes the "sad" moment where Derf "dies".

4.5) To launch the last explosion, Louise drained all the power of Saito, but it didn't result in any kind of loss for the latter: convenient or is it explained in the novel?

5) Did i have to wait for the last episode to have Saito dressed in a different set of clothes or what? Did he use that shit for years, or Henrietta opened an industry to reproduce his clothes nonstop (since louise destroyed them every episode)?

6) They involved Tiffa and made her the 3rd or 4th (whatever) Void user, but she didn't really play any important role: she was only able to use that only spell and to slam her boobs around. Also, if anyone had time, care to explain how can Saito be the familiar of 2 mages, what does this cause, and many more questions that could be born from this? Is it explained in the novel?

7) I wonder what could people think of a wacko dressed in mage clothes hanging around in Tokyo, eating stuff. Care to change your clothes into something more... appropriate, miss Valliere?

8) Those 4 mercenaries... did they have some more space in the novel, or they were just side characters fated to fade away after one episode or two?

9) The whole desert elves thingie... was it more developed in the novel, or is it just me that felt that this thing was rushed? There are still many questions left pending about this...

The second half of the last season felt rushed like hell, many characters faded away just after one episode, and i could list an infinite amount of incoherences and what not... Despite that, i still loved this series.

My best advice would be to either read the novels, or go to the novel thread and read the summaries. All 20 volumes were summarized there.

Alternatively, I can try and answer your questions

Warning: Novel's spoiler alert. Open at own risk

Spoiler for Answers:

1) He didn't know anything back then. He just saw an interesting gateway thingie and went to explore.

2) It's an anime. Things happen.

3) Same as above. Also, he's desperate. He simply has to try everything he could, regardless whether it works or not.

4) Derf does eventually return in the novel too. He's a spirit, so he can jump between swords and the like

4.5) & 5) Good questions. Again, anime logic. Live with it.

6) It's not explained by technicalities in the novel. It was simply accepted that it's possible. Saito is not the only familiar belonging to two Void users.

7) It's fine. People wearing cosplay walk the streets of Tokyo all the time. Comparing to the average level of cosplay there, Louise's outfit actually looks tame, since it's only a cape worn over white shirt and skirt.

8) They have about the same amount of screen time.

9) In truth, the dragon thing only appeared in the anime. The main plot in the novel is mostly related to the desert elves.

Being a fan of this anime, I wanted to see how everything ended up. I would have liked if I had a preference to have a small arc in Saito's world with the mages seeing advanced technology is more potent than the magics they had.

The ending felt kind of rushed from a dragon dying to a sudden proposal. I also know that from reading a small part of the novels that the eclipse thing shouldn't even be there. I look forward to eventually reading the novels to have a more complete ending to this story.

Good series from a strictly anime standpoint. I think the fact that it was adapted from a LN kind of made fans turn on it due to some decisions but that it to be expected. I try to be objective in certain animes that are based of LN from a standpoint of watching it as an original anime but it can prove to be hard sometime.

I have to say there are many unanswered questions like Whats with the Waterghost. They didnt gave her the ring back id they? Or woudnt it be stupid When nobody cares that a gate to another World opens in the middle of Tokio? And how did Saitos parents react when he comes back after more than 2 years and just says Hi, this is my Wife from another World oO. So maybe Eiji will surprise us with some more season where this or any other questions will be answered.

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