Sun. 7/20/14 9:36pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
...in that respect Droll...
- Sir Macca...I like the Fireman stuff - which seems to elude Beatlemania & not be distributed to everyone & their cat...Paul critiqued for being Avant when it served his Social Climbing - whereas John was always about 1st Person Expression - but he was earlier than John when John was still Rockist. Also: John reportedly disliked Jazz...

Sun. 7/20/14 9:46pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
...it's like decades were spent debunking the idea that John was Words & Paul was Melody - but now oscillating back to the idea that Lennon was Ideas & tended to sing Monotones - & Paul was the Melodic Genius of Rock who tended to go 'lala deedee'
...all this from Tim Riley's book 'Tell Me Why', btw...

Sun. 7/20/14 9:46pm
Dave Mandl:
@fleep: Not that big a deal, but it was very strange. PATH train drives to the wrong station (a station that's not even open), then announces that it's at a different station.

Sun. 7/20/14 9:50pm
Kurt Gottschalk:
oh gosh, thanks dave! (sorry, i'm btw tasks over here). here's a link for the mccartney thing with all the posts in reverse order. i thought there was a better one but maybe not. oneweekoneband.tumblr.com...

Sun. 7/20/14 10:11pm
Droll:
kg, Someone's playing electric bass along with that track. It had that McCartney phrasing that leads the chord changes... If it's not Paul, they aped his sound and style for sure.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:14pm
Kurt Gottschalk:
i'm willing to go with herbie flowers, droll. from what i've read, paul worked with richard hewson in planning the record and arrangements but wasn't present for the recordings.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:16pm
Uncle Michael:
The only Richard Hewson stuff I know is the Melody soundtrack. I should know more.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:17pm
Dave Mandl:
@Kurt: No, I don't. I was guessing, because that's obviously a bass guitar and could be him. I'm sure what you've read is right. Anything any Beatle has done has been documented and researched by a million people.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:18pm
P-90:
For what it's worth, I ve put my time in studying Paul's playing too, and I heard McCartney-INfluenced playing on that track, not Paul himself. I could be wrong of course...

Sun. 7/20/14 10:20pm
Kurt Gottschalk:
richard hewson did phil spector's arrangements for some 'let it be' tracks as well. 'the long and winding road' and maybe the title tune.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:20pm
Droll:
kg, I could believe Herbie Flowers, but the likeness is still uncanny. If that question is the most interesting part of the album, we've all failed: composers, performer, and listener.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:22pm
Kurt Gottschalk:
that question is not the most interesting part of the album. i like that album a lot. but that's the question that was raised. herbie played with lou reed, elton john, t-rex, etc. i have no doubt he could ape paul mccartney if asked.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:22pm
P-90:
@Droll: NOT the most interesting part by a any means.

Sun. 7/20/14 10:51pm
Droll:
I heard Kenzo wrote all the code for Facebooks because he writes all the code. Barry Manilow did not write I Write The Songs, but Barry wrote every TV jingle not covered by The Carpenters, and Herbie Flowers plays on most of those records, too.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:10pm
Droll:
um, Not me, I'm still working my way through the epic Loss Leaders show. I'm about halfway through '74 (the pinnacle of rock music). Thanks for playing them in the order they were originally heard -- very important!

Sun. 7/20/14 11:18pm
P-90:
@Pufnstuf Dude: Yes! I had to leave halfway through, but I'll definitely listen to the rest of the "Loss Leaders" epic, at least once. And playing them in order was absolutely the way to go. That may be the ONLY such comprehensive review of those that's ever been done, and they're worth it, an overlooked bit of music biz history. Bravo.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:24pm
pacific standard simon:
By the way, Dave, I heard a version of a Zombies track on my cow orker's Pandora feed today that was definitely a re-recording. Mentioned because of your article on the practice.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:24pm
Ralphine:
Thanks a lot for playing that Zombies tune. It had taken me a couple of days to get Argent's "Hold Your Head Up" out of my head, but now it's back.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:24pm
P-90:
"Loss Leaders Retro" = totally UNgoofy. Exactly the kind of thing that commercial radio (incl. NPR) would never make the time for.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:26pm
Dave Mandl:
@Ralpine: My pleasure. Man, I need to hear that Argent song now. What a great song.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:29pm
Ike:
Brooklyn radio listeners, check this out on Twitter: @BkPirateWatch

Sun. 7/20/14 11:29pm
Uncle Michael:
Is there a link to Dave's article on re-records, Simon?

Sun. 7/20/14 11:31pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
- always a fave of mine that Pepper was Abbey Rd. 2 when Floyd's 'Piper' was AbbeyRd. 1
- & then 1st in AR2 after (says Mojo mag.) was Zombies' 'Odessey' (they said - nono - don't disconnect those 4-trax that make more trax than 4 from each other just yet...) - altho' wigkey says 'Odessey' done a few places...

Sun. 7/20/14 11:31pm
pacific standard simon:
I'm sure Dave would have that handier than I. It was around a year ago.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:39pm
Uncle Michael:
I got bit in the ass by a re-record of Bobby Goldsboro's "Summer (The First Time)" a few years ago and never fully recovered. Some are so close you get lost in the uncanny valley.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:42pm
pacific standard simon:
That was fast. The article stuck in my head because I'd had a similar experience trying to get music by The Drifters from eMusic. Bad enough that there are fake versions of The Drifters out there performing, but replacing the original songs on digital download sites...

@ "CECECD" Is really weird, it's not an "open" tuning or a "fourths" tuning, or a slide tuning, just weird. If you Google it you ONLY see it associated with Blackshaw's name. Apparently its a 12-string tuning, but did he tune all the stings in octaves, or just the first four? Must investigate.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:55pm
Andrew Waterloo:
I wonder if Blackshaw is playing a baritone guitar.

Sun. 7/20/14 11:56pm
Droll:
P-90, I love the close-tuned strings like the CD pair, easier to make tight clusters and piano-like voicings. On a 12-string the high E course is going to be clashing with the high D string -- all those notes are going to be crammed in together. Very cool dense sounds!