On Modi's visit, Chinese show India without AP and Jammu Kashmir

During Modi's visit, Chinese state TV shows Indian map without Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir

BEIJING/NEW DELHI: A controversy was kicked up on Thursday with China's state-owned television CCTV showing India's map without Jammu & Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh while reporting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit.

The wrong map was displayed during a bulletin when Modi was in Xi'an city where he held talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping in his hometown.

China has been laying territorial claim over Arunachal Pradesh and parts of Jammu & Kashmir but India has been strongly resisting it.

The unresolved boundary issue has been a sticking point in the relations between the two major Asian countries and both are making efforts to settle it through special representatives' talks. The special representatives have held 18 rounds of discussions so far.

China says the border dispute is confined only to 2,000 kms mostly in Arunachal Pradesh whereas India asserts that the dispute covered the western side of the border spanning to about 4,000km, especially the Aksai Chin area ceded to China by Pakistan.

The Chinese are at it again. No matter how much we show our earnest love and respect to these people they will still hate us. It think India should also alter the Chinese map when Xi visits us.

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What earnest love and respect? You do what every country does--come to talk about business. Nothing more and nothing less. You don't love us and we don't hate you.
By the way, the map just reflects the stance that Chinese gov hold for long time. India knows it and the whole world knows it.

The presstitutes started way before his visit to China with negativity and gullible Indians jumped into the same donkey cart.

They started with picking up some grammatically poor OpEd posted by some Chinese journalist, mocked Modi for some negative comments by Chinese netizens on his joining some Chinese social networking website (retracted strong adjectives later one when people like me posted equally strong adjectives for their cheep pot shots at NDTV).

Many Congi a$s holes who themselves are trolls on Pakistanis forums blamed Modi for letting Indians have troll feast on his first day activities in China especially on few of his animated poses and pictures. They behave like rabid India hater Pakistanis who think such negativity against Modi is due to eternal love between China and Pakistan but in reality (which should have been projected) Pakistani bottoms are on frying pan for last two days seeing Modi getting unprecedented Welcome in China and witnessing good example of Indo-China bilateral-ism.

Only things those are making headlines are what Modi has allegedly missed when all the essential issues have been strongly/upfront raised which no Congi pussyfooter have had done, not to mention his visit is still not concluded.

Like I said Indians know no good propaganda and are myopic when it comes to foreign policy issues.

In statecraft story of a 'sugarcane farmer and two intruders' comes quite handy. India will always try to not make China a branded enemy and the same I can see China will try to avoid given what is happening around her especially South China Sea.

People those who claim to be so called Pakistan watcher have missed a very important signal coming out of Pakistan that, China has told them to bring their misadventures with neighboring country many notches down for sake of Chinese investment. Only dilemma left for Pakistan is that they do not want to do it without reciprocity from India. That explains why PA has started accusing RAW openly. I admit the recent attack in Kabul is not fitting the pieces of this jigsaw puzzle which I have tried to give an answer in another thread.

What earnest love and respect? You do what every country does--come to talk about business. Nothing more and nothing less. You don't love us and we don't hate you.
By the way, the map just reflects the stance that Chinese gov hold for long time. India knows it and the whole world knows it.

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Yes the whole world knows that the Chinese are illegally occupying Tibet and Aksai Chin. I thank you for reiterating that point.

People those who claim to be so called Pakistan watcher have missed a very important signal coming out of Pakistan that, China has told them to bring their misadventures with neighboring country many notches down for sake of Chinese investment. Only dilemma left for Pakistan is that they do not want to do it without reciprocity from India. That explains why PA has started accusing RAW openly. I admit the recent attack in Kabul is not fitting the pieces of this jigsaw puzzle which I have tried to give an answer in another thread.

Just like in India, there are presstitudes paid by the "divide and conquer" gang and "regime change"mafia ruling the World. This map is published by these presstitutes to create a rift and promote hatred between India and China. They are very afraid of two great ancient civilizations coming together....it will not only challenge their greedy, narcissistic, selfish value system but corrode their hundreds of billions of dollars of profits they are dreaming selling weapons to India to "counter" China. If India and China refuse to be enemies, these greedy profiteers will not win. Harmony and peaceful coexistence is what I wish for the two giant nations.
Let there be joint summit including Japan, Vietnam, Korea, India ,and China PLUS other Uniter nations.

Just like in India, there are presstitudes paid by the "divide and conquer" gang and "regime change"mafia ruling the World. This map is published by these presstitutes to create a rift and promote hatred between India and China. They are very afraid of two great ancient civilizations coming together....it will not only challenge their greedy, narcissistic, selfish value system but corrode their hundreds of billions of dollars of profits they are dreaming selling weapons to India to "counter" China. If India and China refuse to be enemies, these greedy profiteers will not win. Harmony and peaceful coexistence is what I wish for the two giant nations.
Let there be joint summit including Japan, Vietnam, Korea, India ,and China PLUS other Uniter nations.

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And the Chinese soldiers setting up camps in Indian side were presstitutes as well?

From where I should start ? Most of us bloggers who take interest in World affairs sometime get carried away with how and what of information. But we don't care why it has been presented to us; maybe we are lazy and it takes a lot of time to understand.

It started with Chinese President postponing his visit to Pakistan but continued with Indian visit. All three parties on internet, Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese (who are Pakistan apologists) took that visit as per their own digital egos and gave it their own twists. Indians mocked Pakistan; Pakistan down played it and Chinese like they are saying the same today were arrogant, telling Indian that India is insignificant.

All three were wrong.

The XI visit to India was fruitful with plenty of optics, conviviality and good amount of promised investment. During his visit a rouge PLA unit created drama at LAC. When XI returned back a News came out of China warning PLA that XI (Political leadership) is the ultimate authority in China. It was signal to Chinese military establishment to stay obedient. Interestingly XI asked them to prepare for regional war which I think was said in the same paragraph just to make the first message less blunt and obfuscating to the outside world that there is no traction. I bet that rough unit must have been reprimanded as well.

XI visit with promise of investment ticked one marker of improving ties between India and China i.e. the money trail. It was independent of what Pakistan may think, especially in the backdrop of postponed Pakistan visit. If China was to be so sensitive about Pakistan there would have been no money trail.

Coming back to Pakistan, any good Pakistan watcher would have picked an important information from Pakistani media discourse during that time that Chinese leadership is angry with Pakistan. Since then plenty of persuasion was done by Pakistan to convince Chinese leadership and many offensives were launched by PA against terrorists to sound that they are taking their internal stability very seriously. They celebrated their ''Azadi day something'' was part of that larger effort.

Chinese like any investor would value the fact that stability of the region they are investing is paramount, they would venture into Pakistan if Pakistan can assure them the security. This has been discussed in Pakistani media that there is paradigm shift the way Pakistan has been looking after its internal security matters and foreign policy. Rather Nazam Sethi has categorically said the " now there will be no Jihadi support in Kashmir'' and " no day dreaming of strategic depth in Afghanistan".

The present COAS who has been handpicked by Nawaj Sharif stood by him during Imran's mass protests. He is leading the whole operation to make sure the investment environment becomes more conducive. Having said that, all these operation are resulting in sever backlash which I don't think any sane Indian would read as worsening situation in Pakistan or Pakistan imploding but a desperate last attempt of those Pakistan breed terrorists now getting culled by the same hand who nourished them.

Since there is plenty of backlashes, Pakistani establishment is seeing everyone with suspicion and rightly so, which includes India as well. They are begging Afghans, they cannot do the same with Indians (I think they should try) for obvious egoistic reasons.

Call me over optimistic, but trust me I can raise doubts on my own theory with many divergent signals. I would rather request you and other posters to cast doubts on my theory with specific reasons so that we can discuss it further.

It is a separate discussion on Chinese investment in Pakistan as far its economical nuances are concern and we very well know who owe more to either and who is the beggar with no choice. But at the end of the day If Pakistan be able to pull it out it will be considered as FDI for Pakistan. India can use this Pakistani dependency of China to make them realize that they have much to lose unlike what have been saying to us that they have nothing to lose. The current Modi visit will also give Pakistanis a reality check.

I think it is right opportunity for Pakistan to become worth a nation who doesn’t waste its energy suspecting so many entities but few or even none. Pakistan should mend its bravado and detox its troll brigade who from streets to LOC and LOC to Internet create vicious environment against its neighbors, not to mention many establishment brats who dream of avenging 1971 from India.

From where I should start ? Most of us bloggers who take interest in World affairs sometime get carried away with how and what of information. But we don't care why it has been presented to us; maybe we are lazy and it takes a lot of time to understand.

It started with Chinese President postponing his visit to Pakistan but continued with Indian visit. All three parties on internet, Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese (who are Pakistan apologists) took that visit as per their own digital egos and gave it their own twists. Indians mocked Pakistan; Pakistan down played it and Chinese like they are saying the same today were arrogant, telling Indian that India is insignificant.

All three were wrong.

The XI visit to India was fruitful with plenty of optics, conviviality and good amount of promised investment. During his visit a rouge PLA unit created drama at LAC. When XI returned back a News came out of China warning PLA that XI (Political leadership) is the ultimate authority in China. It was signal to Chinese military establishment to stay obedient. Interestingly XI asked them to prepare for regional war which I think was said in the same paragraph just to make the first message less blunt and obfuscating to the outside world that there is no traction. I bet that rough unit must have been reprimanded as well.

XI visit with promise of investment ticked one marker of improving ties between India and China i.e. the money trail. It was independent of what Pakistan may think, especially in the backdrop of postponed Pakistan visit. If China was to be so sensitive about Pakistan there would have been no money trail.

Coming back to Pakistan, any good Pakistan watcher would have picked an important information from Pakistani media discourse during that time that Chinese leadership is angry with Pakistan. Since then plenty of persuasion was done by Pakistan to convince Chinese leadership and many offensives were launched by PA against terrorists to sound that they are taking their internal stability very seriously. They celebrated their ''Azadi day something'' was part of that larger effort.

Chinese like any investor would value the fact that stability of the region they are investing is paramount, they would venture into Pakistan if Pakistan can assure them the security. This has been discussed in Pakistani media that there is paradigm shift the way Pakistan has been looking after its internal security matters and foreign policy. Rather Nazam Sethi has categorically said the " now there will be no Jihadi support in Kashmir'' and " no day dreaming of strategic depth in Afghanistan".

The present COAS who has been handpicked by Nawaj Sharif stood by him during Imran's mass protests. He is leading the whole operation to make sure the investment environment becomes more conducive. Having said that, all these operation are resulting in sever backlash which I don't think any sane Indian would read as worsening situation in Pakistan or Pakistan imploding but a desperate last attempt of those Pakistan breed terrorists now getting culled by the same hand who nourished them.

Since there is plenty of backlashes, Pakistani establishment is seeing everyone with suspicion and rightly so, which includes India as well. They are begging Afghans, they cannot do the same with Indians (I think they should try) for obvious egoistic reasons.

Call me over optimistic, but trust me I can raise doubts on my own theory with many divergent signals. I would rather request you and other posters to cast doubts on my theory with specific reasons so that we can discuss it further.

It is a separate discussion on Chinese investment in Pakistan as far its economical nuances are concern and we very well know who owe more to either and who is the beggar with no choice. But at the end of the day If Pakistan be able to pull it out it will be considered as FDI for Pakistan. India can use this Pakistani dependency of China to make them realize that they have much to lose unlike what have been saying to us that they have nothing to lose. The current Modi visit will also give Pakistanis a reality check.

I think it is right opportunity for Pakistan to become worth a nation who doesn’t waste its energy suspecting so many entities but few or even none. Pakistan should mend its bravado and detox its troll brigade who from streets to LOC and LOC to Internet create vicious environment against its neighbors, not to mention many establishment brats who dream of avenging 1971 from India.

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Excellent write up.

1. How does Kabul attack factor into this? What is the motivation here?

2. Even though PoK is a lost cause, India can exercise its objection during the bilateral meet. Why hasn't it done so and what are the complications arising from this? We all know how touchy China was about Jap construction in NE.

3. If Pakistan ISI genuinely wants to reduce its ops in J&K, why have we seen a counter rise of such anti-RAW rhetoric in recent times? What is the message here?

4. What evidence exists of Chinese leadership anger at Pak? How will Uyghur situation complicate this?

5. Gwadar corridor is part of string of pearls Indian encirclent. How and why does China expect Indian cooperation? Why will Najam Sethi's claim that "no more jihadi in Kashmir" help China or pak?

6. How does Pak media view indo-china ties?

Also, can you expand upon this for me "India can use this Pakistani dependency of China to make them realize that they have much to lose unlike what have been saying to us that they have nothing to lose. The current Modi visit will also give Pakistanis a reality check."

2. Even though PoK is a lost cause, India can exercise its objection during the bilateral meet. Why hasn't it done so and what are the complications arising from this? We all know how touchy China was about Jap construction in NE.

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No cause is lost till there is but one guy ready to fight for it. POK is strategically important from two perspective:

1. It sends a direct signal that India won't compromise on her territorial integrity. We will take it back even if it will take us 100 years of preparation.

2. It provides us direct land access to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

I am sure that while covering Chinese president's India visit all Indian Media channels must have shown the "official" Indian map. On border issues India and China are not on the same page, we cannot ignore the divergence but we must not give too much notice to the map issue either.

1. How does Kabul attack factor into this? What is the motivation here?

It doesn't fit into my theory. Its seems like Pakistanis are still not ready to shed their confronting mentality or are helpless but to use India's weakest link that is our presence in vulnerable Afghanistan to send signal across. Or it could be India showing them middle finger on ground level where agencies are out playing each other. The other reason I mentioned was Pakistan do not want to go easy with India without reciprocity. Or many factions of ISI are out of their control enjoying tactical independence in Afghanistan.

2. Even though PoK is a lost cause, India can exercise its objection during the bilateral meet. Why hasn't it done so and what are the complications arising from this? We all know how touchy China was about Jap construction in NE.

India has raised this issue umpteen times with Pakistan and every time made sure we raise our objections. Many years back UPA government was successful to stop ADB providing loan to Pakistan for projects in POK. Also Pakistanis are more vociferous to call it a disputed territory which rather serves India more than Pakistan as we Indians itch to make LAC as IB at times.

3. If Pakistan ISI genuinely wants to reduce its ops in J&K, why have we seen a counter rise of such anti-RAW rhetoric in recent times? What is the message here?

I have answered above, Pakistanis are confused, they are even scared of their own shadows, they are enduring more causalities, they have been pinned down by international community as the same has lost its selectivity on terrorism, China is telling them to behave. Under such pressure these cunning Pakistanis wants to take even mileage on them becoming normal by going full on pretending victims of RAW.

Nothing, China spends more money on internal security than national defense budget of many good countries.
There may be some smart ass brains in Pakistan who may think of exploiting Uyghur situation to scam more money from China or may use it at an appropriate time as they are very good in terrorism enterprise.

But at present when Americans are preparing to leave Afghanistan and they have been calling them out on their complicity, Pakistan will think thousands of time before doing the same with China. Also Pakistanis know Chinese money doesn't come like American as free aid or money from Arabs. It comes in investment with sovereign guarantees pledged and many clause attached the recent one require 18% of minimum interest.

6. Gwadar corridor is part of string of pearls Indian encirclement.

You are mixing many issues in one point.

Yes, it is. India shouldn't make fool of its self by not considering it as Chinese encirclement. India should improve its maritime capabilities and this is the only answer to such encirclement. The great thinker chanakya Says the encirclement can be neutralized by drawing a bigger circle on the existing circle. I think Indians are or will do the same. Keep watching.

7. How and why does China expect Indian cooperation?

China is diversifying its source of wealth, pooling its money in different pockets, lending money to many small nations and reducing its dependency on internal consumption driven market etc. India is one of its destination that fits the same larger context, we call it cooperation.

8. Why will Najam Sethi's claim that "no more jihadi in Kashmir" help China or pak?

Nazam Sethi has be awarded by many portfolios and perks by Nawaj Sharif government in last two odd years. He at times behaves like a propagandist who has been readily briefed to say things in favor of Pakistan especially on foreign policy Issues. Nawaj Sharif is using his authenticity/reputation to make dissemination of information look credible. It could be simply a deception but then again it depends on how good a watcher you are to filter out what is propaganda and what is genuine. I think his assertions came from some reasonable inputs or observation he might have earned from Pakistani policy makers as being a part of the same gang with strong network of sources within.

7. How does Pak media view indo-china ties?

They are mum for last two days. But I have watched couple of speakers telling the Pakistan the audience to not go ga ga about deeper or higher than... blah blah and learn hard realities of Geo politics.

8. Also, can you expand upon this for me "India can use this Pakistani dependency of China to make them realize that they have much to lose unlike what have been saying to us that they have nothing to lose. The current Modi visit will also give Pakistanis a reality check.

Two aspects 1. Diplomatic 2. Military

1. The reality check for Pakistan is that Pakistan's relationship with China is unilateral in a sense that China dictates the terms and narrative. Our relationship is bilateral where India can afford to demand mutual share of benefits; depending on its contribution, terms, investment and offerings. The good example is India asking China to deliberate on trade deficit. We have our list of concerns which Pakistan can not afford to show them even if they have any.

I am not saying that China doesn't need Pakistan and Pakistan doesn't have anything to offer. Both Pakistan and China and India and China are developing an interdependent relationship which can bio feed policies effecting both India and Pakistan. Even during this visit GoI has tried its luck to make her concern on Pakistan made available to China's highest position directly.One can be only naive to disregard it as ineffective when such concerns are raise during these diplomatic opportunities.