I'm surprised that so many get hung up on the word world.
Of cos it is a world wide race in a sense but there is one thing more important than World and it is Race.
For god sake use some tiny ammount of brain capacity and understand the meaning of context.
Only regions playing under more or less the same conditions are allowed in that sense which rule out China by a mile.
Yea US realms open a few hours before EU yada yada now compare that to having twice the ammount of lockouts among other things.

The term world first was born long before most of current regions of the world even had access to the game, more or less US/EU.

Last edited by Bakis; 2013-10-20 at 09:44 AM.

Originally Posted by Darsithis

Let's keep this on track. This has nothing to do with breasts.

Russia - where free media is almost dead under the boot of Kremlin brainwashing propaganda.

World first with a huge advantage is still world first. Unfair, maybe, but world first nonetheless.

They got the World First Asian Heroic Difficulty kill. Not the World First Occidental Heroic Difficulty one. Occidental Heroic Difficulty is harder, and thus considered the real challenge. There was a World First Normal Mode Kill too, but it's not the one people will remember, is it? Same thing applies here.

It's a shame they can't even try the hardest difficulty because their WoW is different and that they are "forced" to play on their own league, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world should forget about the differences that made that earlier kill possible.

World first with a huge advantage is still world first. Unfair, maybe, but world first nonetheless.

Competition doesn't work that way.

And if folks are going to insist that an un-level playing field is perfectly legitimate (which it isn't), then the only correct course of action is to disregard 'world first' altogether, and instead break things down by region.

"Look around you. We're all liars here, and every one of us is better than you" - PB

Method got World First. Wowprogress, manaflask recognise this. They changed the system to remove Asia from the bracket, as asian realms are playing the 'ez' mode where they have much higher ilevel.

Wouldn't necessarily say that. The Heroic 25m difficulties between NA/EU and Asia are comparable given the bosses have increased damage and health to compensate on the Asian servers.

The problem with the Chinese kill was that it wasn't done on 25m. They used their double lockouts and greatly superior ilvls to drop down to Heroic 10m and cheese a kill. 10m for them isn't changed and is the exact same as the 10m we face on NA/EU servers. But they were able to do it with like 20 ilvls higher than the intended tuning and get a substantially easier encounter than the rest of the world were facing.

Had they gotten the world first kill on 25m, there would be no real controversy. What they did would be the equivalent to say if you had two raid locks during ICC, when 25m raiders had gear an entire tier higher, and a 25m guild dropped to 10 to steal the world first instead of finishing it on 25m.

Why are these threads still necessary?
How can people possibly think that the Asian guild really got World First?
Seperate lockouts, done with 25mH loot (2/4 Upgraded, when dropped) on 10mH.
It would be kind of like giving a Chinese man a car in a foot race.
So, long story short, since these has been beat to death:

Congratulations, Method! For World First, and World First 25M
Congratulations, Paragon! For World First 10M.

To whatever Chinese guild may have killed Garrosh "First", play by the rest of the World's rules and we'll start counting you guys as part of it, until then, your kill is meaningless in the race.