CA BRN new requirements for NCLEX RN international students
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I had already registered online in Pearson Vue but I think I'm not yet eligible to take the test. Is there an expiration date for my registration at PV?
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You can ask the BRN but I wouldn't be surprised if they say you have to submit new application and fee because work will already have been done on your current application. be aware that if you think you may have concurrency issues then they will still be a problem.

I think I can re-phrase this. Regardless of whether you continue down the examination route or switch things over to the endorsement route, California is still going to want to see your education (classroom and clinical) transcripts to see if your education meets California requirements. Even if you're an RN elsewhere in the US, California won't endorse your license into the state (won't license you for practice here) if your education doesn't meet California's standards. This does affect people in the US as well. Once you are able to show that you meet California's standards, then California will likely approve the application, whichever route you took.

You can ask the BRN but I wouldn't be surprised if they say you have to submit new application and fee because work will already have been done on your current application. be aware that if you think you may have concurrency issues then they will still be a problem.

I was wondering if someone can answer a question I have. I currently have an open application BY EXAMINATION with the BRN CA but I have since passed NCLEX in the state of Oregon for about 4 months now. My application is still in the "send clinical schedules, have school explain this, etc" phase. My school has sent a total of 3 additional queries by the CA BRN.

Now my question is this; Can I convert my application from a "license by examination" to "license by reciprocity?" I was planning on sending my licensing analyst a letter with my Oregon license to support this. I am hoping to avoid paying yet another fee. This has gotten expensive and time consuming.

Has anyone else done this? Also does anyone dissuade even attempting this? I am a IEN from the Philippines. I am also licensed in the Philippines if that makes any difference.

For California, "license by reciprocity" = "license by endorsement" and in any case, California will do their own assessment and determine whether you meet the requirements. If you do, great! If not, find out why not and try to find a way to correct any identified deficiencies. California's process isn't exactly known for blistering speed on approvals... nor have they been lately known for bending the rules. Those rules are what they are, and California will follow those rules until it's told differently.

My story is i recently passed my NCLEX-RN in Texas but i am currently residing here in California and working as a LVN. I graduated nursing last 2009 from the Philippines and i am completely aware about the situation of all the international applicants doing here in California that is why i ended up taking it in another state. After a rough year of passing 2 NCLEX exams, i'm still stoked about trying to reciprocate my RN here in CA but also afraid that i may end up loosing my time and money instead of really moving to other state. Is there anyone who had some luck in doing reciprocity here?

My story is i recently passed my NCLEX-RN in Texas but i am currently residing here in California and working as a LVN. I graduated nursing last 2009 from the Philippines and i am completely aware about the situation of all the international applicants doing here in California that is why i ended up taking it in another state. After a rough year of passing 2 NCLEX exams, i'm still stoked about trying to reciprocate my RN here in CA but also afraid that i may end up loosing my time and money instead of really moving to other state. Is there anyone who had some luck in doing reciprocity here?

I suggest look for an RN job in Texas. Don't attempt to endorse your license here in CA coz 99.99% your application will be denied due to concurrency issues. CABON will still re-evaluate your application even you already have your RN license in other state to meet their standards. If you really wanna stay here in CA and you still want to pursue your RN license here. There are two options you can do. Take classes for your deficient units or you can try the LVN-bridge progam.

It is a logbook kept by training hospitals in the Philippines at ORs and L&D units where cases are logged. Whenever a student nurse assists with a particular minor or major OR case, assists with or performs a vaginal delivery, or performs cord care for a delivered baby, it counts as an accomplished case and counts towards clinical cases required by the Philippine BoN to take the licensure exam.

It is a logbook kept by training hospitals in the Philippines at ORs and L&D units where cases are logged. Whenever a student nurse assists with a particular minor or major OR case, assists with or performs a vaginal delivery, or performs cord care for a delivered baby, it counts as an accomplished case and counts towards clinical cases required by the Philippine BoN to take the licensure exam.

Oh thank you. I just recently applied for nclex rn and they are asking me to submit a rle logbook.

Oh thank you. I just recently applied for nclex rn and they are asking me to submit a rle logbook.

They are probably specifically asking for the signed clinical case forms that students applying for Philippine licensure have to furnish to the Philippine BoN. Your clinical cases would be listed on them and would include the signatures of the hospital's chief nurse, instructors, and other officials.

If your cases are concurrent with the lecture would it be okay to only have 3 or do I need 5. The PRC nowadays only require 3 cases for each clinical area. I got my letter from my international evaluator and he didn't specify how ma h cases he just said provide your clinical cases. So would I be okay to send my 3 cases for each having them concurrent with the lectures?

If your cases are concurrent with the lecture would it be okay to only have 3 or do I need 5. The PRC nowadays only require 3 cases for each clinical area. I got my letter from my international evaluator and he didn't specify how ma h cases he just said provide your clinical cases. So would I be okay to send my 3 cases for each having them concurrent with the lectures?

If you graduated under the new 3-3-3 section vs the older 5-5-5, then you should be okay assuming that you know 110% for sure that's exactly how you did your cases/clinicals and that's exactly how your transcripts will show as such.

Just know you're not the first one here to ask the same question under the new 3-3-3 at the same time, they too have been denied the ATT as I'm not sure that's how the transcripts are written and thus, reveals it was not 110% completed in the timely manner. Do you know and can state that ALL of your particular situation, NONE of them was done either a week or weeks or a month prior to the class or after the classes were started or done?

This is what has happened to those most recent grads found out, the dates were not actually "concurrent".

Do you know of any more recent applicants from your school, from your same classes, from the same graduation month and year that got their ATT in CA and applied AFTER the Nov. 2011 stricter enforcement time period?

But really, no one here can tell you of the "yea or nea" of your application as each one stands on their own merits and evaluation, the only option is to have whatever your school can provide and hope for the best and then, only the CA BRN has the final word.

There have been a handful of applicants who had no problems (more the exception than the rule) in getting their ATT and recently passed.

The reason for the change to the 3-3-3 from the old 5-5-5 format was that it's impossible to get the two required events to come together.

There's so much mounting pressure on the CHED, PRC and PNA to comply with the CA BRN old 1987 regulations as thousands upon thousands of PH grads and nurses alone applying into CA were just completely left stranded and left to total disappointment and frustrations. We know of the 2013 PH grads, they are still not able to meet the CA BRN concurrency.

The CHED etal needs to reduce the actual schools, drop the student population to about 10-15% of what it is (leaving 80-85% to look into other job careers) and abolish the 3-3-3 cases system all together. It's been a heated topic and still nothing to be changed. Not surprised.

None of the US schools and colleges have this requirement and still more than 80-85% pass the NCLEX-RN for the first time and many never have to take refresher courses or buy more books or enroll in review classes, granted most of them take the NCLEX from almost graduating to within months of graduation while it's fresh in their minds. But it's also because they are taught how to "critical think" while in school.

But the problem is if the PH nursing agencies drops the 3-3-3 to zero, even go to 1-1-1, who's going to deliver the babies and do all the work for FREE?

If you graduated under the new 3-3-3 section vs the older 5-5-5, then you should be okay assuming that you know 110% for sure that's exactly how you did your cases/clinicals and that's exactly how your transcripts will show as such.

Just know you're not the first one here to ask the same question under the new 3-3-3 at the same time, they too have been denied the ATT as I'm not sure that's how the transcripts are written and thus, reveals it was not 110% completed in the timely manner. Do you know and can state that ALL of your particular situation, NONE of them was done either a week or weeks or a month prior to the class or after the classes were started or done?

This is what has happened to those most recent grads found out, the dates were not actually "concurrent".

Do you know of any more recent applicants from your school, from your same classes, from the same graduation month and year that got their ATT in CA and applied AFTER the Nov. 2011 stricter enforcement time period?

But really, no one here can tell you of the "yea or nea" of your application as each one stands on their own merits and evaluation, the only option is to have whatever your school can provide and hope for the best and then, only the CA BRN has the final word.

There have been a handful of applicants who had no problems (more the exception than the rule) in getting their ATT and recently passed.

The reason for the change to the 3-3-3 from the old 5-5-5 format was that it's impossible to get the two required events to come together.

There's so much mounting pressure on the CHED, PRC and PNA to comply with the CA BRN old 1987 regulations as thousands upon thousands of PH grads and nurses alone applying into CA were just completely left stranded and left to total disappointment and frustrations. We know of the 2013 PH grads, they are still not able to meet the CA BRN concurrency.

The CHED etal needs to reduce the actual schools, drop the student population to about 10-15% of what it is (leaving 80-85% to look into other job careers) and abolish the 3-3-3 cases system all together. It's been a heated topic and still nothing to be changed. Not surprised.

None of the US schools and colleges have this requirement and still more than 80-85% pass the NCLEX-RN for the first time and many never have to take refresher courses or buy more books or enroll in review classes, granted most of them take the NCLEX from almost graduating to within months of graduation while it's fresh in their minds. But it's also because they are taught how to "critical think" while in school.

But the problem is if the PH nursing agencies drops the 3-3-3 to zero, even go to 1-1-1, who's going to deliver the babies and do all the work for FREE?

Ok, off my soapbox again.

Thank you for replying! I'm sure that they are concurrent with the lectures, but I'm just worried that they want more than 3 cases because a lot of my classmates did 5 just to be sure and I wasn't informed. The evaulator didn't specify an amount of cases too so it makes it even more confusing for me if I should risk having the school send the cases of 3 each. Do you know of anyone who gave 333 cases and they were concurrent, did they get approved by the CaBRN?