Here is an Apollo 17 photo with a movie light still in the shot. I think it's great that the astronauts took movie lights with them to the moon. This light is a 1000 watt light that was used in the 1960's. I wonder where they plugged it in? Probably the same AC outlet they used to run the air conditioner on the Lunar Lander?

Here is an Apollo 17 photo with a movie light still in the shot. I think it's great that the astronauts took movie lights with them to the moon. This light is a 1000 watt light that was used in the 1960's. I wonder where they plugged it in? Probably the same AC outlet they used to run the air conditioner on the Lunar Lander?

Apollo 17 - Proof it was Kubricked by Ted Twietmeyerabove linkHe saysI need to admit here that my goal in reviewing Moon walk and rover photos from Apollo 17 was to find possible artifacts. When I found one particular image after many hours of reviewing photos, my research work came to a complete stop.The powers that think we are totally stupid.... I wish I could run my house on all the current they had....noAlsoLook at the pictures they were close and far in focus, not possible with the camera the astronuts used.

I got in a discussion with Kingmon Art on the moon landing in chat tonight, I said if he did not see the thee astronauts get dressed and then walk them to the the space craft he could not prove to the world 100% that they got on the space ship. His answer after a heated discussion, that I was bat crazy and I was a liar. Then he muted me, his supporters were sunpar and another person who told me### up and all the # that agreed with me to do the same. Art also said Stanley Kubrick was a liar. Hmmm a man at the hight of his career lost everything by telling us what he did.

An emotional plague afflicts people whose beliefsystems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts andbecome enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs.Wilhelm Reich

When you seek a path to any new truth, you mustexpect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’Albert GuérardThomas Ronald Baron (died April 1967)[1] was a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation (NAA), the company that built the Apollo command module.[2]

After the Apollo 1 fire Baron wrote a 500 page report on NASA safety protocol violation, which he gave to Rep. Olin E. Teague's investigation at Cape Kennedy, Florida on 21 April 1967. When Baron mentioned the report up during his testimony, Teague told him "Your report went to the chairman of the full committee, not to me", that "something of that length ... we can take it as an exhibit."[3]

No more than eight days after his testimony, Baron was killed instantly, along with his wife and stepdaughter, when a train crashed into their car near their home in Florida.[1][4] Baron's death was later ruled as an accident, or suicide by some reports. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

In the video 6min 20 secs interviewGeneral Walters dies, at 85, in the night after a French interview that was going to expose details about the first moon walk, it was scheduled for the next day he did not survive the night.

Hi. Just watched this clip and I don't hear Cristina Kubrick say at any point that her husband "directed the fake moon landing". In fact, none of the other speakers (apart from the interviewer at one point) mentions Stanley's name at all. While we can assume that Jan Harlan and Cristina Kubrick were referring to Stanley Kubrick when they were speaking, there is no way to know the context of what they were saying. Rumsfeld could've been describing someone else entirely, for all we know. This clip is a total hack-job IMO, someone has put it together to garner a bit of traction for their own agenda - trying to 'cash in' on the current interest in this topic. For the record, I do believe that Stanley made the moon footage - but clips like this one only serve to muddy the waters for those of us interested in finding out what went on.

This is my belief too! They wanted to win "the race to space" from URSS and, since the russians were more advance than the americans at the time, they had to fake it. And fast.

Quoting: Mindlouka

If the Russians were supposedly more advanced, then why didn't they cry foul? Why did they have their own program until 1974? If they were so advanced why couldn't they get their heavy lifting booster (the N-1) to work instead of blowing up? The truth is they were not more advanced. They were about the same and they were only ahead until the Gemini program during which they fell steadily behind.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765

because no one wanted to admit it was impossible to do!!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5562120

Way to avoid the real questions. IF it was supposedly impossible then they could have exposed the US with that knowledge and embarrassed them giving a big win for communism. They didn't but instead tried to get there themselves until 1974.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765

The Russians were watching the same fake movie you are watching, you believe it's real, soooo...

In the video 6min 20 secs interviewGeneral Walters dies, at 85, in the night after a French interview that was going to expose details about the first moon walk, it was scheduled for the next day he did not survive the night.

cause he CAN'T explain the tracks issue in pictures.It's impossible to have it like these pictures show.

Quoting: Portuguese Coward 21594154

The 'track issue' is an argument from ignorance (google that term).If you think it proves something make your case.Nobody has to proof you wrong, you have to proof you right._____________________________________________________________​_______________

That's Rammstein making fun of American culture.You're part of it._____________________________________________________________​_______________

Didn't go with Apollo. Astronauts went up into low earth orbit for 6 days, just like they did with the STS and ISS missions.

Quoting: Anonimous Cowerd

So what magick did they use to make their spaceships invisible?_____________________________________________________________​_______________

So how do you explain the just the other day, a lunar module crash and burned with recent technology?. Cause it means we dindt go the first time? [link to news.discovery.com]

Quoting: US Coward 18377496

Since 1903 no fixed-wing aircraft prototype has ever failed during a testflight?_____________________________________________________________​_______________

well we know that the temp on the moon can peak @ 368 degrees and thats not counting a solar flare but im sure the shoes and rubber tires have a much higher melting point cause otherwise someone could have died up there!!

Quoting: Novice 20243040

The soles were made of silicone rubber.What is the melting point of silicone rubber?The tyres were metal.

Making a point based on no knowledge whatsoever is a effective way to get it wrong.

When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface, they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive! [link to science.nasa.gov]

Quoting: Novice 20243040

So?

The question is how much radiation.The air you breath is radioactive and you've been breathing it a lot longer then anyone has spent time on the surface of the Moon.Why aren't you dead yet?_____________________________________________________________​_______________

Have they taken this to court?This is something to follow to see if it goes to court.

Quoting: nzreva

This happened years ago. [link to en.wikipedia.org] _____________________________________________________________​_______________

Was it possible to take the known number of photos (from NASA records) in the amount of time available (from NASA records?)

Jack White doesn't know that for all but one mission there were 2 EVA cameras.Jack White doesn't know that the cameras had motorwind, ca 1 second to click again.Jack White doesn't know that a large number of pictures were part of a panorama.Jack White doesn't know that the word 'document' includes make pictures of what you are doing, i.e. time for experiments he subtracts was in fact time pictures were taken.Jack White doesn't know that all pictures match up with the timeline documented by sound and video, we do not need to guess when everyone of them was taken.As a studio photographer Jack White doesn't know about aim and click documentation style photography, not every photograph takes a quarter of an hour to frame and light.(Just look at the pictures.)Jack White doesn't know that he's the world's worst photo-analyst in the history of the world.Even Congress says so.

No autofocus on the Hasselblads numbnuts. Consequently, it's not just clicking a button.

Quoting: Canadian Coward 20363457

Most pictures were taken with a standard setting.Yet another thing Jack White didn't know.

Also, no viewfinder. Yet we have every single picture that is perfectly focused. Really?!?

Quoting: Canadian Coward 20363457

With a widefield lens it is hard to miss, and then still many pictures are just plain bad.

Hoaxies often make claims about the pictures as a whole insinuating they saw them all.This is always a self-evident lie.

I swear, did you even read the link?

Quoting: Canadian Coward 20363457

It's not new.Hoaxies rarely produce new claims.

Who cares if my grandmother wrote it. It brings up an excellent point.

Quoting: Canadian Coward 20363457

Excellence in stupidity.Jack White was a contender every single year._____________________________________________________________​_______________

Looks like a perfectly fine real spacecraft, the product of real engineering subjected to real world physical restrains.

IOW it doesn't look like anything Hollywood has made you think a spaceship looks like._____________________________________________________________​_______________

It has always seemed odd the shape they chose for the lunar module. For the strength, weight, volume issue, and considering that it was designed to go with in a cylindrical rocket body, it seems like the most unlikely shape possible.

I cannot believe that real NASA engineers designed this thing, because its materials, the foil being one of many things, just don't make sense in their use, and seem to have no parallel in older or modern spacecraft.

Quoting: ehecatl

And your uneducated opinion is relevant why?

Meanwhile actual aerospace engineers applaud the LM as one of the finest spacecraft designs ever build.It is capable of doing the things it was supposed to do, and do them well, and nothing else.There is nothing superfluous in the design, it is purely utilitarian.

Zoom in and notice how badly the white sheet metal panels up above fit together.Does something not make sense about this?

Quoting: ehecatl

What makes you think they are metal?Why can't you be bothered to actual learn something about the stuff you are criticising?:Schlock:

It is claimed that NASA faked the landings to forgo humiliation and to ensure that it continued to get funding. NASA raised about US$30 billion to go to the Moon, and Bill Kaysing claims that this could have been used to "pay off" many people.[28] Since most conspiracists believe that sending men to the Moon was impossible at the time, they argue that landings had to be faked to fulfill President Kennedy's 1961 promise: "achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth".[21] Others have claimed that, with all the known and unknown hazards,[29] NASA would not have risked the public humiliation of astronauts crashing to their deaths on the lunar surface, broadcast on live TV.[30]

Vietnam War

It is claimed that the landings helped the US government because they were a popular distraction from the Vietnam War; and so manned landings suddenly ended about the same time that the US ended its role in the Vietnam War.[31] [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Neal Armstrong lives a few miles away from me. He rarely comes out of his house. He does not want to be bothered. He does not want to talk about the moon. Hmmmmmmm....

Quoting: Xannixon

Perhaps all Americans can agree with the great Neil Armstrong, whose famous quote appears in Wagener's biography on a special summary page at the end of the book (search for honestly say inside the book):

[link to www.amazon.com] ---As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say--and it's a great surprise to me--that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me.

- Neil Armstrong---

The first sentence makes clear that Mr. Armstrong is skeptical of the reality of the "moon landings"--and therefore so should we.

The second sentence is a little more cryptic, but understandable by analogy. Let's say that a young actor gets a reputation in fan magazines as a playboy. But as he gets older and never settles down with anyone, rumors start to swirl about him. Finally, when his career is over anyway, he cryptically mentions in an interview that "I've never dreamt of having relations with a woman. It's a great disappointment to me." What do you think the actor is trying to tell us?

Apparently so are you, where is your evidence? Oh, that's right, all I have to do is turn on my TV, all the evidence is right there! Fucking moran!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24781753

Accuser has the burden of proof.

And your notion that I believe in the historicity of Apollo because "someone told me" is just projection.Hoaxies mindlessly regurgitate what garishly-coloured "anti-establishment" websites told them to believe.Hoaxies might be black sheep, but sheep non the less.They are not even able to conceive of the notion of actually properly researching a subject and basing one's opinion on the results.Hoaxies never study Apollo, this is blatantly demonstrated in every single hoax thread.

Funding

Quoting: nzreva

So the 400,000 workers and the shareholders of the hundreds of subcontractors didn't get their money?Why didn't they raise a ruckus?

Did you even read the GAO audit report?

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Neal Armstrong lives a few miles away from me. He rarely comes out of his house. He does not want to be bothered. He does not want to talk about the moon. Hmmmmmmm....

Quoting: Xannixon

Perhaps all Americans can agree with the great Neil Armstrong, whose famous quote appears in Wagener's biography on a special summary page at the end of the book (search for honestly say inside the book):

[link to www.amazon.com] ---As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say--and it's a great surprise to me--that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me.

- Neil Armstrong---

The first sentence makes clear that Mr. Armstrong is skeptical of the reality of the "moon landings"--and therefore so should we.

The second sentence is a little more cryptic, but understandable by analogy. Let's say that a young actor gets a reputation in fan magazines as a playboy. But as he gets older and never settles down with anyone, rumors start to swirl about him. Finally, when his career is over anyway, he cryptically mentions in an interview that "I've never dreamt of having relations with a woman. It's a great disappointment to me." What do you think the actor is trying to tell us?

Quoting: Skeptic the First

Neil Armstrong and Rock Hudson are friends for Eternity.

Great thread for cultivating relatively painless disillusionment!

Many thx, O/P!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7133050

Or they did something to these guys' memories. I didn't know Armstrong said this, but Aldrin is on record as stating that he cannot recall actually walking on the Moon. I can't recall where I heard read/heard this. It may be a reference in Hoagland's book Dark Mission.

Or they did something to these guys' memories. I didn't know Armstrong said this, but Aldrin is on record as stating that he cannot recall actually walking on the Moon. I can't recall where I heard read/heard this. It may be a reference in Hoagland's book Dark Mission.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1195298

Don't you see the irony of what you just said?

Armstrong said that thinking back about it it felt like a dream.Considering it must have been an experience completely different from everything else in his life that doesn't sound so odd.

BTW, Hoaxland believes they went to the Moon but not fully reported what was discovered (i.e. aliens).

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In the video 6min 20 secs interviewGeneral Walters dies, at 85, in the night after a French interview that was going to expose details about the first moon walk, it was scheduled for the next day he did not survive the night.

In the video 6min 20 secs interviewGeneral Walters dies, at 85, in the night after a French interview that was going to expose details about the first moon walk, it was scheduled for the next day he did not survive the night.

Hi. Just watched this clip and I don't hear Cristina Kubrick say at any point that her husband "directed the fake moon landing". In fact, none of the other speakers (apart from the interviewer at one point) mentions Stanley's name at all. While we can assume that Jan Harlan and Cristina Kubrick were referring to Stanley Kubrick when they were speaking, there is no way to know the context of what they were saying. Rumsfeld could've been describing someone else entirely, for all we know. This clip is a total hack-job IMO, someone has put it together to garner a bit of traction for their own agenda - trying to 'cash in' on the current interest in this topic. For the record, I do believe that Stanley made the moon footage - but clips like this one only serve to muddy the waters for those of us interested in finding out what went on.

Quoting: Danny237

Danny I appreciate your comment, but you never gave your not muddied truth. At least not here. It is one thing to try and discredit something, but to step out and say what information that helps point to the truth is quite another.

Nearly every example of actual physical evidence in favor of Apollo can be "explained" in terms of unmanned landings -- equipment deployment, sample retrieval, etc. As B.A. notes, the engineering would be non-trivial and there is the whole concealment issue. But the better refutation is the fact that engineering an automated system to do something is generally much more difficult than engineering something for use by a human to do the same thing.

It's quite easy to engineer a lawn mower, for example, but much more difficult to engineer a lawn mower that can mow your lawn without direct human intervention.

This is absolutely crucial to the hoax argument because the hoax theory is based on the premise that it was easier to fake the landing that to accomplish it. If it's more difficult to fake than to do it, just do it.

And to address B.A.'s point, the notion that only the very few top officials at NASA knew of the hoax is ludicrous and expresses just how ignorant the the hoax believers are about engineering on a large scale. Do they really think it's credible to claim that Grumman built the lunar module without knowing whether or not it was capable of landing on the moon?

A lot of people seem to think that NASA just handed these companies finished blueprints and said, "Here, build this," and they happily built it without knowing whether it was capable of accomplishing the claimed task. Let's get real. Much of the real expertise in Apollo was in the companies NASA hired. That's why you see people at the launch pad in coveralls with "Boeing" or "North American" or "Bendix" or "Grumman" logos on their backs.

The notion that hundreds of thousands of highly-trained, consummately experienced people were duped into building useless and non-functional technology is highly incredible, as is the assertion that a shadow organization of commensurate size and expertise was formed to falsify all the evidence, and there is zero evidence of that organization today.

If NASA sent men to the moon in the past. Why haven't we sent anyone there recently? You would think like the south and north pole. We should already had bases there by now. Surely there's Gold in those parts ;)

When I first became aware of the Moon Hoax theory I was as excited as everyone else that the evidence presented proved the images etc were faked and that it was impossible due to all the factors that are stated as being impossible to overcome and so on. I strongly believe in having an Open Mind....and that to me means always Open to All possibilities. I've listened to those who explain the anomalies etc and some of these explanations seem reasonable also. I watched Mythbusters demonstrate the moving flag in no atmosphere...and so on.

I was kind of hovering mid way between hoax or true although I do think to pull a hoax like that would require so much effort and so many people to be part of it and would be so very difficult with the world watching!! Also, they may have done this once but would they really have risked the secret by pulling this hoax again..and again...and again..etc...no way!

Anyway, the final thing that convinced me that they did go to the moon ever time was a documentary...First On The Moon; the untold story. which I have recorded from the Science Discovery Channel. It shows all the things that went wrong and or nearly went wrong and explains all the things that were so risky and how they really nearly didn't make it. It has footage of ground control and in Apollo 11 from the time.

One of the things they reveal is that soon after launch they were followed by a UFO but they knew they couldn't refer to it as such and were later briefed never to discuss this incident. Then when they tried to sleep they did keep seeing flashes inside Apollo which were later identified as Z particles penetrating the capsule which they admit they still don't know long term effects on humans.

There is loads of facts given in this documentary and I strongly recommend watching it ...very interesting.

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When I first became aware of the Moon Hoax theory I was as excited as everyone else that the evidence presented proved the images etc were faked and that it was impossible due to all the factors that are stated as being impossible to overcome and so on. I strongly believe in having an Open Mind....and that to me means always Open to All possibilities. I've listened to those who explain the anomalies etc and some of these explanations seem reasonable also. I watched Mythbusters demonstrate the moving flag in no atmosphere...and so on.

I was kind of hovering mid way between hoax or true although I do think to pull a hoax like that would require so much effort and so many people to be part of it and would be so very difficult with the world watching!! Also, they may have done this once but would they really have risked the secret by pulling this hoax again..and again...and again..etc...no way!

Anyway, the final thing that convinced me that they did go to the moon ever time was a documentary...First On The Moon; the untold story. which I have recorded from the Science Discovery Channel. It shows all the things that went wrong and or nearly went wrong and explains all the things that were so risky and how they really nearly didn't make it. It has footage of ground control and in Apollo 11 from the time.

One of the things they reveal is that soon after launch they were followed by a UFO but they knew they couldn't refer to it as such and were later briefed never to discuss this incident. Then when they tried to sleep they did keep seeing flashes inside Apollo which were later identified as Z particles penetrating the capsule which they admit they still don't know long term effects on humans.

There is loads of facts given in this documentary and I strongly recommend watching it ...very interesting.

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

I have not problem with events after the first moon landing, this thread is only dealing with the first supposedly moon landing. I have, as you watched and read for many years both sides, I know Nixon was a liar, and those that wanted this to happen for America, also lied about many issues, I will as of now still believe we did not go to the moon, Russia will be going, it will be interesting to know what they say....

When I first became aware of the Moon Hoax theory I was as excited as everyone else that the evidence presented proved the images etc were faked

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

But it didn't.None of the images were ever proven to be faked to the satisfaction of RL experts.And it does take professional expertise to demonstrate something is fake.

Such claims usually boil down to "I don't understand what I'm looking at."

and that it was impossible due to all the factors that are stated as being impossible to overcome and so on.

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

Statements not supported by any RL expert.

The hoaxie's claim that manned moon travel is impossible is not based on any scientific facts.

Anyway, the final thing that convinced me that they did go to the moon ever time was a documentary...First On The Moon; the untold story. which I have recorded from the Science Discovery Channel. It shows all the things that went wrong and or nearly went wrong and explains all the things that were so risky and how they really nearly didn't make it. It has footage of ground control and in Apollo 11 from the time.

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

So it was dangerous.

And?

One of the things they reveal is that soon after launch they were followed by a UFO but they knew they couldn't refer to it as such and were later briefed never to discuss this incident.

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

Bullocks. It's all in the mission report and they talked about it all the time.You just try to shut up Aldrin if he's trying to be *mysteeeerious*.

Then when they tried to sleep they did keep seeing flashes inside Apollo which were later identified as Z particles penetrating the capsule which they admit they still don't know long term effects on humans.

Quoting: pinkpixiexx

This was a known phenomenon.The VARBs don't stop high-energetic cosmic particles.That's how we knew they existed before space travel.

Again, they took risks.And?

Radiation is of course more of a problem for long-term missions, like the ISS which dips into the SAA every 70 minutes.Like nuclear industry workers astronauts have a lifetime exposure limit.They are monitored all the time, if they reach the limit they are grounded for life.

There is loads of facts given in this documentary and I strongly recommend watching it

I have not problem with events after the first moon landing, this thread is only dealing with the first supposedly moon landing.

Quoting: nzreva

What is the difference between Apollo 11 and the others?

I have, as you watched and read for many years both sides, I know Nixon was a liar, and those that wanted this to happen for America, also lied about many issues,

Quoting: nzreva

Nixon just inherited the programme from Kennedy/Johnson and he killed at soon it was politically opportune.He'd been president for just 6 months by the time of Apollo 11.

Anyhoo, this is an ad hominem argument, Nixon being a crook isn't by itself evidence he lied about this.It certainly isn't evidence that the hundreds of thousands of others actually involved in the project lied.

I will as of now still believe we did not go to the moon,

Quoting: nzreva

So you do believe that Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 were hoaxed as well?

You know the drill, extraordinary claims and such...

Russia will be going, it will be interesting to know what they say....

Quoting: nzreva

They always said that America landed men on the Moon and returned them safely to Earth.

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