all this tech talk has gotten us away from the point, that being canon sucks (sarcasm)!!!. Come on now, we all knowthere was no such thing as a good picture before the d800 came out, I mean forget the wonderful images taken by photogs and letys just study charts and graphs...or...wait...no...I'm gonna go shoot a wedding with my mk3 and maybe my 7d might get some action too!

Thanks jrista. It's an example of why the reported increased DR of the D800 isn't of interest to me. I'm of the opinion that you need a full tonal range, including shadows that only hint at detail. Also, the scene is probably close to 17-18 EV overall, so beyond what any camera can achieve. I basically compressed the dynamic range by using 6 stops of graduated filters. I haven't increased the shadows beyond shadow recovery in LR4 (probably around 0.5 EV, but could be as much as a full stop). For me it's all about using the available tools to get the desired look. If I can't achieve what I want, then I look for something that I can achieve.

all this tech talk has gotten us away from the point, that being canon sucks (sarcasm)!!!. Come on now, we all knowthere was no such thing as a good picture before the d800 came out, I mean forget the wonderful images taken by photogs and letys just study charts and graphs...or...wait...no...I'm gonna go shoot a wedding with my mk3 and maybe my 7d might get some action too!

I totally agree that the whole thing is a bit academic. I have a 5DII that I'm quite happy with and aren't planning to upgrade any time soon.

Before then, I was quite happy with Rebel XS I was using, though the 5DII is in a different class when the ISO goes up. For the pictures I take (mostly family shots), dynamic range at low ISO isn't my main concern.

However, I do take exception to the knee-jerk criticism of DxO by "camera fans". The simple fact of the matter is that DxO have to implement raw conversion algorithms and therefore actually know what they are talking about and understand details and subtleties that escape most of the critics. The critics for the most part, while often very competent at using cameras and software tools, often get some very fundamental technical issues completely wrong that they really need to get right before second guessing DxO's methods.

Cant it be because you can not do that with a Canon? There are to much noise and pattern noise.

Nope, it's because I have no desire to. Besides, the dynamic range that was present in the scene would have been beyond the capabilities of any camera without grad filters or HDR (which usually looks unnatural). As for being able to do it with an iPhone, it pretty much proves my point that you need shadows to create a more dramatic photograph. However, the shadows in the foreground are too blocked up and the dynamic range in the scene is nowhere near as great. In fact, the sky is unnaturally dark too. But you're missing the point anyway. The point is, that it doesn't matter what camera you have, you can still get memorable photos, including with an iPhone, you simply work with what you have available to get the best image possible. It's more about skill, than what the camera can or can't do, it doesn't matter whether it's a Nikon or Canon, medium format or camera phone.

Hmmm, if Canon sucks then why do they command the bulk of the market share? They both make excellent cameras but Canon is the "winner" simply by shear numbers. Whenever I go out shooting, I always see more Canon equipment vs Nikon. (and 'others')

I have been shooting with Canon for over 12 years, they don't suck. Period!

Oh, and you can keep your I-phone crap. LOL!!! Can you change lenses on it from a 100mm macro to a 1200mm zoom? Until then, keep that cell phone junk where it belongs! Oh, and can it take 8 frams per second? I would gladly put any photo from my setup agaisnt any photo taken from an I-whatever. Yes, they may take OK 4x6 photos, but until you can change the "zoom" and details of the photo you won't see me carrying one around at the rodeo!

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Canon 6D, 5D2, 7Dv2.03, 50D, 40D, T1i, XTi...XT (& lenses, flahses), various powershots... You get the idea... I have a problem.

Wife shoots Nikon, D7000, D7100, (lenses and flashes)... we constantly tease each other that our cameras are better than each others!