How to tell if a white person is racist

First, thedefinition. According to the Oxford Dictionary a racist is someone who believes:

each race or ethnic group possesses specific characterisitics, abilities, or qualities that distinguish it as inferior or superior to another such group.

Notice that it is a belief not a feeling. Advanced stages can lead to open hatred, even violence. More common are these symptoms:

They believe that whites are naturally better than blacks – more intelligent, more moral, more trustworthy, more beautiful, more hard-working and so on. Like if they think whites are Basically Good while blacks are not. You know these people are racist because this is pretty much a restatement of the definition.

They believestereotypes about blacks. The bad stereotypes, at least, fit the definition of racism.

They use the n-word, racist slurs or tell racist jokes – meaning they feel the need to disrespect blacks. Why is that? If they do it against Asians or Latinos, then most likely they are racist against blacks too.

They play down slavery like it is no big deal. Because to them the suffering of black people is no big deal. Because blacks do not count as, like, Real People. Unlike, say, the Jews whose Holocaust we must never forget (and rightly so). Key expressions:

Get over it!

It was the times!

Africans sold their own people as slaves!

Arab traders sold slaves too!

Slavery is universal!

My family never owned slaves!

They think racism is no longer a big deal. Only a racist could look at American society and think there is nothing seriously wrong.

They think blacks are imagining racism, which is racist in and of itself since it assumes that blacks have extremely poor judgement.

They think blacks are their own worst enemy. Black pathologies, blaming the victim and all that. Which in practice is just another way of saying racism is no big deal.

They are against reparations, affirmative action, etc – against any serious, concrete policy to undo the damage done and provide equal opportunity. Why is that?

They think blacks are unreasonably angry, have a chip on their shoulders, complain, whine, etc. After the history blacks have gone through and are still going through, they have every right to be angry!

They use the tone argument where they say they would listen to you if you said it nicer. This puts white feelings above black feelings. Why?

They think racism is natural. Which, of course, means it seems natural to them. Why is that?

One or two symptoms might not mean much. Three or more indicate illness.

Some quick-and-dirty tests:

Ask them about reparations. Less important than whether they agree is how important they think the lives of black people are in comparison to whites.

Ask them what percentage of white people they think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

One thing I’ve noticed among friends of mine that’s kind of an indicator is their taste in black music. Most LOVE rap and HATE R&B; the grimier the rap the more they love it. I’ve suggested some great R&B but they simply can’t be bothered. A friend who plays the piano couldn’t get past one song on D’Angelo’s Brown Sugar album, which I thought he’d love for the instrumentals alone. They can’t quite articulate why when I ask, either. But I suspect the exaggerated stereotypical images of rap music support what they already carry in their heads, while expressions of black love are harder for them to accept. It seems to me they’re more comfortable seeing us as fighters than lovers, though I don’t think my friends would ever admit that. The most I’ve been able to do is turn a few hipster friends on to Bill Withers. I’m a die-hard hip hop fan…but I find it suspicious when my white friends reject a whole genre of great black music because it doesn’t compute.

It’s about power and money black people. We need to move the convo forward, and focus on politics, power, and money. Beauty and culture……We Got That! White racism remains a problem on this planet, because, they don’t wanna give up the power and wealth they’ve gained as a result of slavery and imperialism…Bottomline!

“First, the definition. According to the Oxford Dictionary a racist is someone who believes:

each race or ethnic group possesses specific characteristics, abilities, or qualities that distinguish it as inferior or superior to another such group.”

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The above definition is but one example of how white supremacy/racism is refined and maintained. It’s subtle shifts in how racism is practiced/altered, over time, rendering it normative and thus otherwise invisible. It uses language and false definitions to camouflage/hide/obfuscate the fact that racists are (and can ONLY be) those people who belong to that group who wields the power and identifies themselves as white people. Whiteness’ subtleties are often unseen like air, much in the same way water is unseen to fish. It’s invisible, everywhere and inescapable.

Is the writer/owner/publisher of the Oxford Dictionary a white person?
If yes, where do you imagine this white person’s loyalty/self-interest lies? With the TRUTH, or with their membership/identification with the White Club?

I agree with Matari that the dictionary definition is self-serving to whites. However, I think Abagond does a good job in this post of connecting the symptoms of racism to the “racial supremacy” extremist definition most people use. The many ways whites put down blacks or disregard what we say in ways they don’t with other whites is white supremacy.

Excellent post. #2, 5 – 7, and 9 – 11 describe the so-called HR consultant that is retained by the company I work for. I wanted to discuss the facts around why I feel I work in a toxic / hostile environment, and she immediately dismissed me by claiming that I was “playing the race card”. What’s really amusing is that fact that I had said nothing about what my ‘race’ or skin tone is – the negativity projected by some is palpable, and there are any number of my co-workers who can independently confirm some of the hostility directed at me by my so-called administrative ‘team’ members. It isn’t my imagination; anyone can generally tell when another person seems to have an issue with them, but my concerns are ignored, while the outright lies of others are believed and validated.
It’s pathetic.

Matari, you are one of those people who cause white people to think, that black people are not worth the trouble. The Brother cannot be a racist because…
black people cannot achieve anything, black people are all colorblind, black people are all sane, yes, the USA is a “too white” country, but the relevance of that in an attack on a book printed in the UK, about the words of a languague used in dozens of countries rather escapes me.

As, certainly in the English language, the meanings of race can vary, some crimes which you would classify as intra-racial can beseen as motivated by racism, because those racists or the historians, judges or whatever do not use the same definition of race you do.

In this case, I guess that the author of the dictionary chose the best description of the true meaning of the word in English, rather than in the dialect you seem to be using.

I agree with this. Especially if they live and work around plenty of racialised people, yet never seem to make friends with any of them. They probably won’t say it out loud, but choosing only to have White friends says something. Also, if the person has few friends of colour and treats them completely differently from their White friends.

I know my in-laws hold some racist beliefs and I think it would be suicidal of me ever to mention that to them. I had wanted to say something, but could not guess the reaction. So I did a test with one of the more open-minded family members.

We were watching an American film and, naturally, the evil character had a British accent. This is definitely not the same as portraying certain races as having certain qualities, but it’s an amusing thing I notice and thought it would work as part of my test. So I said jokingly, `Of course: the bad guy always has a British accent.’ (I’m British, in-laws are not.)

The family member in question immediately seemed to get irritated, said it is not always that way and pointed out the other bad guys don’t have British accents, they have American accents, so what I said is not true at all. They conveniently failed to notice that the one with the British accent is the ultimate bad guy and gets more than twice as much screen time as everyone else.

Judging by that reaction, I knew I could not mention how nearly all the good main characters were White even though they were supposed to come from one of the most diverse countries in the world, all the other bad guys were Black and that the two Black characters on the good side were walking stereotypes.

Ask them what percentage of white people they think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

To clarify; if they say 10% of whites are racist, according to this formula it is actually 90%? Most of the clueless ones I have come across do-not even think calling a black person a racist name or telling a racist joke is racist. The person was ‘angry’ or cracks jokes about ‘every group’. To them, and this has been iterated before, the only racists left are the fringe lunatics like the Klan or some other equally extreme group. When you insist to the contrary, a whole litany of reactions occurr from silence to vituperations to the extreme, violence. My personal favourite are the ones who try to flip the script.

3.They use the n-word, racist slurs or tell racist jokes – meaning they feel the need to disrespect blacks. Why is that? If they do it against Asians or Latinos, then most likely they are racist against blacks too.

This reminded me of an acquaintance (she was a friend of a friend) I dropped from my Facebook. She suggested we go out for drinks. We met up and I don’t think it was the alcohol, but for some reason, she thought she was comfortable enough to make a stupid jokes about people of color particularly using the n-word. I honestly don’t know why my friend was friends with someone like that. She seemed like a nice person at the time.

Anyway, I immediately told her to stop and I didn’t want her to continue using the n-word. She said to me, “Why should I? You’re not even black. Why does it bother you so much? You’re making a big deal out of nothing.” I responded, “I have black relatives through marriage and half-black cousins. Stop being a vile, racist bitch.” I walked away and my friend (now ex-friend) told me the acquaintance thought I was being too sensitive. I don’t need friends like that. I dropped both like a hot potato.

The way some people use the word “racist” nowadays is like it’s interchangeable with words like bigot, prejudice, discriminatory, superior, hateful, biased, preference, reactive, retaliatory and so forth. IT IS NOT. The word has been watered down and diluted to the extent that it hardly has any real meaning at all.

So Teddy – please tell me this: If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else???

Oh, one more thing Teddy. I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. If white people are offended, then they ought to wake up. But we know that’s not likely to happen. YOU MAY tip-toe and walk softly around them if you choose to. But don’t ever expect me to do that. Ever!

Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity!
Whiteness is demonic.
Why do I continually state this??
There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries. They will not end racism. They look for ways to dismiss it or excuse it! Neither will they pay restitution/reparations for the damages, unpaid labor, earned compounded interest, and so forth that has made them well-off and America a superpower.

(And of course like clockwork some idiot troll will inevitably wander onto this site and insist that blacks are now more advantaged than white people and that we should stop whining – blah, blah.).

So by the test, the only way a white person can not be racist is to say 100% of white people of are racist there by condemning themselves. I wonder if Abagond would be willing to take the same test about antisemitism?

Corollary: if white person by definition must be racist, why not go whole hog and become a klan member or nazi, might as well be hung for ram as for lamb.

According to my formula, if a white person says 10% of whites are racist, then I give him a racism score of 90 out 100. To think so few whites are racist you have to be pretty racist yourself.

On the other hand, if a white person says that 80% of whites are racist, then I would put him at 20. Someone like that is probably still somewhat racist but it is no longer the air he breathes, no longer a set of unquestioned assumptions.

But please note this is only a ROUGH measure as I said in the post. It is based on my observation that people who are more racist tend to be more blind to it.

“Corollary: if white person by definition must be racist, why not go whole hog and become a klan member or nazi, might as well be hung for ram as for lamb.”

Racism is not an either-or thing, like being an axe murderer. There are different degrees of it, like being a bad singer. In the post I look at it like it is a disease – meaning that recovery or at least improvement of one’s condition is possible.

Unfortunately we are using a language that has been shaped mainly by white people. Even if black people made the Oxford Dictionary it would still wind up mainly noting white usages and ideas because that is the language.

As it is, I think Oxford strikes a good balance between the more extreme racist and anti-racist twistings of the word. Part of why I defined it is so everyone knows what I MEAN even if they do not AGREE.

Abagond, I love your blog. And can I add that you need to pay yourself – put some ads up. It makes me uncomfortable to think you don’t make money off of this. No one should waste money and work for free. Thought I’d put that out there.

@dave
That sounds reasonable. Lets hope that they won’t have to beg too much in order to get their wealth back, or that you won’t have a neck sprain, that it will be a sunny day bcoz rainy days suck and those ants should avoid falling into your mug of coffee because .. well .. those are serious matters which could jeopardize the whole process.

Anyway, i can tell you are motivated. Heck, we can even come with a plan .. and you’ll even agree… or not.(your own words)

Your incident reminds me of an incident that occurred during a graduate school course I took. I had to do a practicum teaching assignment in a high school class. The teacher’s class in who I was teaching decided to make some comment about Mexican people to me. I’m not Latina, but I was still offended. This man was a teacher who had students of different backgrounds in his class. I guess he saw the look on my face because he tried to backpedal but it was too late. I remember thinking what does he say about Black people to Mexican people. I wish more people of color would realize that if they’re talking crap about one group of people to you they probably say worse about your group when you’re not around.

“Even if black people made the Oxford Dictionary it would still wind up mainly noting white usages and ideas because that is the language.

As it is, I think Oxford strikes a good balance between the more extreme racist and anti-racist twistings of the word. Part of why I defined it is so everyone knows what I MEAN even if they do not AGREE.”

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I don’t believe that the language, or rather the word “racist” was a word that was originally defined as it is used today. But even if it were, it still wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

I’m somewhat encouraged that I’m SEEING an ever growing body of black people and other PoC that’s not accepting/buying into the common/current dictionary definition. We have seen the peculiar shift/change the word “RACIST” has undergone since “racism” has gone from de jure to whatever “many” white people choose to call it now – mainly: whining, complaining, playing the RACE card, making excuses, being over-sensitive, etc…

I have no problem with you Abagond. I know what you mean.
What I mean is this, which I’ve shared here before:
When, or if, black people begin chaining, shipping, enslaving, selling, lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating SUN-DOWN towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while HATING WHITE PEOPLE en mass via de jure and de facto racism for HUNDREDS of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

Reparations: Dave said “You come up with a plan first then I’ll agree or not.”

Reparations: Lets repair the damage done to all children on a daily basis in the public school system. Starting with the false/misinformation about who their ancestors were as a people. Immediate Target: Textbooks.

All White people are bombarded with racist anti-Black messages from the cradle to the grave since racism is endemic and pervasive in society, so the truth is all White people are racist, the only question is to what degree. Even the “anti-racists” admit their natural reaction and initial thoughts when it comes to Black people are racist and they have to fight against this instinct and these thoughts that they have been programmed with all the time and try to replace them with logic and reason.

The majority of White people believe that they evolved from Black people in Europe and evolved higher intelligence and superior looks. Most Whites believe they invented almost everything and created civilization. Most White people believe that in the past Black people in Africa lived in mudhuts sat around naked all day in utter filth and indolence eating bugs. They believe that Black people have never had any civilizations and have made no progress at all and still live in the same condition in Africa today.

Most White people believe they saved Black people from the horror of living in Africa by bringing us to the New world as slaves and that we should be forever grateful to them that we were brought to the civilized Western world in the hull of ships in chains.

So when we complain about being mistreated or campaign for equality most of them think “if it wasn’t for whitey bringing you here you would still be living in filth and poverty in a mudhut in Africa and you have the audacity to complain! Thanks to whitey you have access to electricity clean running water and T.V and how do you thank us? by hating us, blaming us for all your self-inflicted problems and by whining all the time.” They believe the ghettos and second class citizenship are an upgrade for us.

When we demand equal rights and justice, our concerns don’t matter to them because it doen’t affect them or theirs and because in their minds we don’t matter.

The word has been watered down and diluted to the extent that it hardly has any real meaning at all.

That is why the word has been diminished. Yet if you call a white person a racist they get all ornery on you!

If white people are offended, then they ought to wake up.

By reacting as many have done to being called a racist, they are implicitly admitting to being one. It is the same as being called an obscene name(I’ve been called many!). If you believe that you are those things, you will react accordingly. Now if I believed I am those things that I have been called, I would be upset(some of these names were downright filthy!). However, I just laughed them off, or consider the source. If someone called me a racist, I would ask them why they thought so, not get angry, and proceed to deconstruct their claims.

if white person by definition must be racist, why not go whole hog and become a klan member

Not many want to walk around in a sheet.

Most White people believe they saved Black people from the horror of living in Africa by bringing us to the New world as slaves and that we should be forever grateful to them that we were brought to the civilized Western world in the hull of ships in chains.

I had a clown make the very argument to me; blacks were fortunate to be brought here as slaves. According to this fool, they were being chased by opposing tribes who were cannibals, afflicted by the local flora and fauna and were lazy and shiftless, as they laid around all day doing squat. I informed him that they were in hinsight smarter than Westerners if you looked at it, as Westerners pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go somewhere and be lazy and shiftless for a week or so. What does that make them? Dumb I’d say. Needless to say, he did not like this response. Why he felt comfortable telling me these things was beyond me. They seem to like doing that, asking stupid questions and expecting a serious answer.

“I informed him that they were in hinsight smarter than Westerners if you looked at it, as Westerners pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go somewhere and be lazy and shiftless for a week or so. What does that make them? Dumb I’d say.”

Listen carefully to what they say and what they do. They will say one thing and do the complete opposite, very contradictory behaviour.

Also, just because you are married to someone of a different colour, it does not mean that you are NOT racist. Some people like the person they are with, but not other people of the same race because of their colour.

I often wonder about Abagond’s real motives for writing this blog when I read some articles.

This blog in itself is full of racial profiling, anyway, I continue to observe the circus because that’s what it is.

Dave for example is a police officer working for sky, has been in my house and planted a covert camera or a number of covert cameras…..When he reads this, he can comment on it…..I don’t trust Dave either, NOT a good person.

Additionally, what I can tell you about Dave is that he, under instruction from his higher boss, and a few fellow racist police officers pulled over my sister and took her car to the pound……Took her ages to get it back.

This is a COINTELPRO website…..it’s just a fact. Who can you trust these days? I don’t even trust Abagond himself, so many dishonest people on the Internet……Just stating the facts as I see them.

But it’s true that each race or ethnic group possesses specific characteristics. Why is it that we have almost no accomplished swimmers among blacks? Because their body composition is different than that of whites. Black people have higher percentage of muscle mass than white people. On the other hand blacks outperform whites in 100-metre dash. Are you going to deny the difference of height between Pygmy and Massai people?

You are just pointing out the extreme variation inside the human genome. Skin color has very little to do with the aforementioned qualities.

How do you see the intellectual differences, and what are your statistics/surveys to support that preposition. Steven Sailer excluded, because he’s still sailing in the fantasy oceans heading blindly navigating to the paradise islands of segregated bliss..

I laugh when I read blogs and opinions that make white racism the target because there is so much racism and it comes from all directions…black racism is rampant against whites, east indians,and orientals too. I see it all the time, I have lived it. There is so much racism going all the way back to the Egyptians enslaving the Hebrews. There was racism among primitive clans and tribes who had different eyes and hair colors. Whites did not start or finish racism and I don’t know if it will ever be done, but the more we stress it by pointing fingers, the more painful it becomes. Eight percent of the population has blue eyes, yet those “empty blue eyes” are a racist target for the majority with brown eyes. Wicked mean children. You just love to hate.

Whenever one points the finger there will always be 3 pointing back at the person doing the pointing. I will not apologize for being white, blue eyed, short, or female. I have lived with prejudice my entire life. I am what I was born and I did not pair up the genes that created me. I will also not apologize because some people kill people, some people abuse people or whatever. I can care but I cannot control what anyone else does or what makes them do it.

Both I and YOU- all of YOU- can only control yourselves and speak for yourselves. It would make more sense to do something for yourself rather than focus on perpetuating racism with pointed comments about white people with blue eyes, blonde hair, and large breasts. It is gross and ridiculous – no less so than people saying all blacks have bubble butts or people who call themselves “niggah” then getting mad at racism. It is obscene. Change starts from within. You can’t change someone from the outside in.

Travel to China or Africa or India , or anywhere in the middle east where anything but white is predominant. Everyone has experienced prejudice so do not kid yourselves. There are many racist people in every culture. Whites did not invent racism. It has existed since time began. The white vs black battle only distracts us from the manipulation used to keep us at each others throats and prevents us from making real changes. I love seeing so many more blacks get into politics because it is already evident that they are just as messed up as white politicians. Well..actually,it is sad to see that there is no difference in the color of greed and manipulation. I had hoped …. Look at what Chinese Communists did to the beautiful culture of China. And yet they had a horrible prejudice against females. It is everywhere in some form or another!

The argument will go on as long as anyone will debate it. I had to look this up for a college class but I am not impressed by all the anti-white Racism masquerading as unanimous Peace and Love by all for all. HA! And I am part of a multi racial family…not bi racial….multi racial. We live three cultures in our family and do not like racism at all but we know it is part of everyday life from EVERY DIRECTION…You can’t please anyone much less everyone so hey…please yourself and stop caring what anyone thinks about your color, culture, or preferences. Work on making YOUR life better. Everyone has opinions but who cares? So what! Do what you can to live YOUR life. Everybody has issues.

Bottom line – The question is, what are each of us doing to change ourselves and how is this racism helping??? It all just sounds like anger to me and anger is incurable with anger as the antidote. I am smart because I read, and I travel when I can to different places so I can experience something different — NOT because I am white. There is one race…the human race. It does not matter what color we are unless we feel a need to make a point of it. We don’t HAVE to LIKE each other…. but it wouldn’t hurt! Be proud of yourself no matter what and don’t wait for anyone to approve of you and that is my take on the entire subject.

@Matari
Reading your responses I have to say …… And you don’t think your posts are racist?
According to your comments a person who is “white” could never be right about anything. None of your arguments or that “test” in the post hold water. Based on that there is no point to anyone who is NOT black, asian, east indian, middle eastern, south american, spanish, mediterranean or chinese or japanese or hawaiian answering this post at all. In other words this is a white bashing blog and I am wasting my time reading this. OK. thank you.

“black racism is rampant against whites, east indians,and orientals too. I see it all the time, I have lived it.”

“Whenever one points the finger there will always be 3 pointing back at the person doing the pointing. I will not apologize for being white, blue eyed, short, or female. I have lived with prejudice my entire life. I am what I was born and I did not pair up the genes that created me. ”

Awwww poor oppressed White woman LOL *wipes away a tear*

They sure do enjoy playing the victim don’t they while enjoying all the privileges that the system of White supremacy gives them. *smh*

“@Matari
Reading your responses I have to say …… And you don’t think your posts are racist?”
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Yeah .. what-ever. I don’t pull punches and I also don’t have the inclination to coddle trolls (that’s you) who drop in to say how racist blacks are and imply how hurt/bothered your white feelings/sensibilities are as a result.That’s just too bad! Since I’m the one on the receiving end of racist crap in a system set up to marginalize people who look like me while privileging/benefiting people who look like you, I don’t believe it’s my job or place to hold your hand while patiently walking your resistant know-it-all condescending self through RACISM 101.

Your ability to understand what you’re reading here – is suspect – as I’ve been quite clear in explaining what the differences are between being biased/prejudiced/reactionary and being a “racist” – via NUMEROUS postings. Please go and work on your reading comprehension skills.

Its fun to read a blog decrying white racism when almost every single commenter (and definitely the main writer) is a racist towards whites. Its great.
I’m going to look for a study that compares black to white racism – I doubt one has been done recently – that would be a little too much reality. They wouldn’t allow that study for the same reason they don’t allow the mention of race when reporting on black offenders of violent crime. Oh well, what’s new?; you guys keep crying and I’ll keep striving.

“Since I’m the one on the receiving end of racist crap in a system set up to marginalize people who look like me ”

Great stuff guys – Brahms”

But of course you selectively quoted me only posting half of what I said: “They sure do enjoy playing the victim don’t they ” and omitting the rest of what I said which was: “while enjoying all the privileges that the system of White supremacy gives them.”

You omitted the other half of what I said because you are dishonest and tacky like all White Supremacists and because the other half of what I said put the first part in its proper context and would have undermined your clumsy crude attempt at being cute had you quoted me properly.

Just look at how you enlightened blacks destroyed Alexandra; a person, who by all measures, seems to be doing exactly what you demand of us whites. But she’s not doing enough apparently. Its not enough to be a non-racist, to even have an mixed family -Noooooo – whites have to condemn themselves and other whites. Blacks want a coup d’etat it seems; kind of tuff when you are only 12% of the population (although Jews do have power, why?). You guys have your holocaust (slavery) and use it to good effect but you made the mistake of making the demand that all whites condemn themselves and fall to their knees in front of you – that was going a bit too far. You’ve made it so that no white man can do right until all white people bow down and admit their inherent blue-eyed evilness. Jews never demanded this continual prostration, they make allusions to historic antisemitism with the emphasis on “never again” and then continue with the building of their people; not, “you haven’t apologized sufficiently and until you do, we’re not assimilating.” I think this insistence on beating the white man down was your cardinal error. You’ve taken it too far and now you’re seeing the white man starting to stand up, uh oh.

People who are AWW (Afflicted With Whiteness) always manage to sound like innocent children – hurt and upset by slings and arrows….”there is so much racism and it comes from all directions..” Do they really believe that if black people changed their inner attitude towards racism, and tried rise above it, or some such – instead – that the ‘energy’ and practice of Whiteness would be any different?

I think the form of the narrative may go something like this:

Tribalism, of which “racism” is one particular variety, appears to have existed in all times and in all cultures. To the extent which one judges this tendency to be bad, and to the extent one wishes to diminish the effects of this tendency, the obligation for action rests with each person, as this prejudice is a common human trait.

The modern western racial debate appears to attempt to place obligations for change on one group only. How can a humanity-wide problem (if one thinks tribalism is a “problem”) be solved by singling out one group and laying the burden for action on them and them only?

Do you suppose the real problem we are all having is simply that white people are simply misunderstood and falsely maligned?

I’m not sure which “problem” you’re specifically referring to. If you’re defining the problem as being “how to create more equal social and economic opportunities for minorities in the west?” then I think a number of realities need to be acknowledged, including but not limited to:

1. “Racism” is merely a form of generic human tribalism viewed at a particular focal distance. There’s nothing inherently unique about it.

2. Tribalism, and the specific forms in which it manifests, are a pervasive part of human nature. No one group has a monopoly on its practice.

3. Overt race-based discrimination has decreased dramatically in the west over the past five decades. The gap between the economic and social outcomes of different racial groups has not narrowed accordingly.

4. So-called “progressive” forces within the medial and educational system have created a thriving industry with regards to racial grievance. This industry appears to be more concerned with its self-preservation than in its stated goals to create equal opportunities for people of all backgrounds.

5. The hysteria surrounding the “sacred-cow” assumptions of the “progressive” racial-grievance industry prevents genuine dialog from occurring. This tends to cause average people disengage from these issues, as the participants are not seen as dealing in good faith.

6. Encouraging disadvantaged people to blame others for their difficult circumstances, rather than helping them to focus on proven recipes for success, does them a damaging disservice.

7. The rate of out-of-wedlock births is strongly correlated with educational attainment and median income, regardless of race. “Racism” is not needed to explain why demographic groups with high rates of OOW births also experience lower economic performance.

Racism is natural, yet somehow racism has no affect on black people! How is that? And do you notice that your “realities” are utterly self-serving, that they require absolutely no change or admission of responsibility on the part of whites?

By the way, your race industry argument was used a hundred years to discredit those who were pushing for the right of blacks to vote.

But of course you selectively quoted me only posting half of what I said

Do you honestly give a hoot what some reject from ihateniggers.com, types? He types reams of bullshit and expects people to seriously respond.

destroy white racism” not high on their Inner Change list?

Why would they? They wouldn’t be able to rip people off with these ‘spiritual aids’, which in reality are versions of philosophies which are thousands of years old in some instances. There is nothing new under the sun, these clowns have just taken them, made it palatable to ‘lost’ souls and sold it for the ka-ching factor. There is a sucker born every minute.

that all whites condemn themselves and fall to their knees in front of you

That sounds like a plan! I always wanted a harem of male concubines! I would send them out to work and collect their pay cheques on pay day. They can carry my shopping bags!

You’ve made it so that no white man can do right until all white people bow down and admit their inherent blue-eyed evilness.

Racism is natural, yet somehow racism has no affect on black people! How is that? And do you notice that your “realities” are utterly self-serving, that they require absolutely no change or admission of responsibility on the part of whites?

Racism, along with other tribalisms, appears to be natural amongst humankind. That’s not to say its expression is not harmful. However, the commonness of this trait argues against the idea that white people are particularly prone to engaging in such tribalism.

I think racism did have a huge effect on black people. That’s beyond dispute. But how active is it today? What is really holding people back from reaching their full potential?

Defining an ultimate cause of a problem does not necessarily imply the solution. For example, the modalities to treat a gunshot victim are unrelated to firearms.

– They think blacks are their own worst enemy. Black pathologies, blaming the victim and all that.

– They think racism is natural. Which, of course, means it seems natural to them. Why is that?

– They think blacks are unreasonably angry, have a chip on their shoulders, complain, whine, etc.?

I’m not in a position to generalize regarding what “white racists” think about “blacks”.

But I would like to address the “blaming the victim” paradigm that’s oft repeated. High out-of-wedlock births serve as an example of a social pathology, and are correlated with lower educational attainment, higher crime, and lower income.

Black Americans have the highest OOW birth rate of the major racial groupings in America at 72%. Thus, they suffer from the greatest effects of that pathology.

I don’t believe OOW births are a “black pathology”, but rather a social pathology of which black Americans have the highest rate. That’s an important distinction.

If you could wave a magic wand and instantly eliminate racism, how would that change the OOW birth rate among black Americans? What else would?

You don’t have to “blame a victim” to recognize that in a free society, people are by definition ultimately accountable for their actions, as one cannot simply issue a royal decree enforcing one type of behavior or another.

Bulanik:

– What percentage of white people do you think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

That verbal parlor trick implies that racism is a binary characteristic that either is or is not present. I believe the reality to be far more complex. People appear to express varying prejudicial tribalisms along several axes.

Bulanik:

However, could you explain a little more about the American racial grievance industry? Are they like ambulance chasers? In which way does this industry thrive?

Tim Wise, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and others appear to be doing a stonking business. Also, consider how many universities and colleges have “ethnic studies” programs. That’s a huge cohort of instructors, administrators, authors, and others being kept well-fed.

Bulanik:

Randy, could you also explain this:
If disadvantaged groups were helped (instead) by the racial-grievance industry to “focus on proven recipes for success” in America, would it make any difference to the gap between the economic and social outcomes of different racial groups?

Honestly and openly addressing problems and proposing real solutions without having to ensure that politically-correct sacred cows remain unslain seems the best chance to improve the futures of disadvantaged communities.

Bulanik:

You say: “overt race-based discrimination has decreased dramatically in the west over the past five decades,” I am not sure what you mean, since you say it has not helped economic and social outcomes? Do mean to say anti-discrimination in the workplace, for instance, is unhelpful/useless? How?

The educational gap between black and white students persists. Why do you think that is?

Bulanik:

BTW, out of interest, what are the proven recipes of the success that you mean?

The basics of the success recipe include: delayed parenthood, intact families, and emphasis on education. Intact families have greater resources to invest in the education of their children than non-intact families.

My wife grew up in an impoverished country that suffered hundreds of years of western colonial oppression followed by unspeakable atrocities committed in WWII. Fortunately, she had uncompromising “tiger parents” whose top two financial priorities were rice and school fees. Only “A” letter grades were considered acceptable. It worked. Many of the younger generations in her family are now part of the educated eastern diaspora in the west.

I’m not taking your blatantly derailing troll-bait, but I just have to make a quick comment on yet another one of your simplistic and ultimately short-sighted theories:

“The basics of the success recipe include: delayed parenthood, intact families, and emphasis on education. Intact families have greater resources to invest in the education of their children than non-intact families.”

This is sounds good on paper until you remember that blacks of the older generations had all these traits in abundance, but yet, had little to show for it. Not to mention that if this bootstrapping method really was the case to success, then all working class whites in America today would be in a much better position than they are in now. But despite them having the things you’re inadvertantly attributing to them (by using present day blacks as a contrast, despite your claims) even they aren’t overwhelmingly successful. Now, compared to other groups they are, but that’s a completely different issue. One that isn’t related to simply “being responsible” and “working hard”.

Randy is just so full of crap. Typical nihilistic superiority bs. as is to expected with someone with such a limited vision -you just think you are totally neutral about race and racism, but you really aren’t. Your arguments sound like that you are trying to say that since racism is (in your mind) really isn’t a factor any more, that there just must be something inherently wrong with black american people. But asians are better, eh?

That about sums it up perfectly!
And the same can be said for Brahms too.
In fact I’m amazed that either of these “lost causes” are taken seriously by the regulars here since neither of them refuse to be budged even a millimeter away from their feeble-minded grasp on reality.

I’ve never taken Randy too seriously. He’s just a blatant apologist, who deflects away from white problems by derailing and steering the conversation towards the direction of black problems. It’s funny because he tends to present his arguments about said “black problems” from the pseudo-caring, neutral (a.k.a. unrealistic/HBD’er), stance that both whites and blacks are on equal platforms in America and that “blacks just have no excuse nowadays.”

It’s White Male Paternalism combined with Intellectual Dishonesty. A combination that is tricky to see at first, but is also one that stands out every single time, once you’re familiar with it.

– do blacks imagine racism – do blacks have extremely poor judgement in this regard?

– are blacks are their own worst enemy? Black pathologies, blaming the victim and all that.

– are blacks unreasonably angry, have a chip on their shoulders, complain, whine, etc.?

Black Americans are a large and diverse group, and naturally hold diverse opinions.

Bulanik:

– is racism is natural? Do you it seems natural to white Americans. Why is that, do you imagine?

The tendency to gravitate towards various forms of tribalism (and the propensity to categorize people as being part of an in-group or an out-group) appears to be a common human characteristic. I believe racism to be at its core simply one member of the greater taxonomy of tribalism.

This is sounds good on paper until you remember that blacks of the older generations had all these traits in abundance, but yet, had little to show for it.

You seem to be alleging that black folks of today don’t have access to greater opportunities than those in previous generations. History suggests otherwise. To cite but one obvious (if prosaic and overused) example, was an Obama presidency feasible 70 years ago?

Hannu said:

Your arguments sound like that you are trying to say that since racism is (in your mind) really isn’t a factor any more, that there just must be something inherently wrong with black american people. But asians are better, eh?

The value judgments are yours alone. I’m suggesting that in contemporary times, a common set of practices enables success for people of all backgrounds. Feel free to refute that assertion.

Furthermore, let me give you and the rest of the finger-waving commentariat a starting point which transcends the unproductive ad-hominem attacks: does anyone believe that the out-of-wedlock birth rate is unrelated to educational attainment and income?

@ Matari: Do you have substantive criticism to offer?

@leigh204: My social circle includes a great many recent immigrants who share your own ethnic background. How can I dismiss the clear and profound effects of their parents’ strict emphasis on their children’s education as a pathway to economic independence?

Do you think you are racist? This post says you are. Do you disagree with that? If you do disagree, why? Where does the post go wrong? Please be specific.

I would disagree with some of the items on your list as being hallmarks of “racism” as is commonly defined.

8. They are against reparations, affirmative action, etc

Here you seem to be conflating “goals” with “methods”. One can wish to guarantee equal opportunities to people of all backgrounds even if they don’t believe that specific methods (such as reparations) would achieve that goal.

11. They think racism is natural.

As previously stated, I believe that “racism” is but one of many forms of human tribalism which is common across all cultures. Other forms of tribalism include: classism, ageism, nationalism, ethnicicsm, clannism, religious sectarianism, political partisanism, occupational and educational groupism, sports fannism affiliations.

Here you seem to be conflating “goals” with “methods”. One can wish to guarantee equal opportunities to people of all backgrounds even if they don’t believe that specific methods (such as reparations) would achieve that goal.”

Except that mere WISHING (goals) is hypocritical lip service unless it comes down to specific policies (methods) of one sort or another. And this is a huge fault that many white people have: they want to SEEM anti-racist but not BE anti-racist. They are unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

The illegitimacy rate among White Americans is higher now than that of blacks in the 1960s when the Moynihan Report came out, yet whites are way richer than blacks were then. Whites have not sunk into widespread poverty.

And even if you keep it to just blacks, the illegitimacy rate has gone up over the past 40 years at the very same time as the growth of the black middle-class and as a greater percentage of blacks get university degrees.

Or: West Indians have long had higher illegitimacy rates than Black Americans and yet do better than them IN AMERICA despite being foreigners.

An ongoing White American racism that still affects blacks can make sense of all this, illegitimacy rates shed no light at all. It is just a cover for white racist thinking.

“You seem to be alleging that black folks of today don’t have access to greater opportunities than those in previous generations. History suggests otherwise. To cite but one obvious (if prosaic and overused) example, was an Obama presidency feasible 70 years ago?”

Oh! So now you’re tweaking your argument and adding that factor in to success? Whether you want to admit it or not, that’s exactly what you did. Despite the backpedaling semantics you’ll undoubtedly engage in next. But we can go on though…

Since you brought up opportunities, for some reason you chose not to factor in current day working class whites who have had greater opportunities than any other American group, all throughout history. Especially their own ancestors. Yet they as a group have historically struggled overwhelmingly, despite the current generation still having the contrasting traits (which lead to success) that the current generation of blacks “lack”. You know…as you implied earlier. You advertently strengthened the second half of my previous post. Which you chose not to comment on.

Were whites unable to be Wall Street Bankers or be in the circles of the American elite 70 years ago? Actually, that’s irrelevant. The bigger question is what has stopped them from succeeding all the way up to this day, despite having everything I previously mentioned, and increasingly having it in high numbers all throughout American history? Could it be systematic classism, and additionally for blacks racism? Seems highly feasible. The “Personal Decisions Meme” just seems like an excuse to embrace comfortable and lazy thinking.

@leigh204: My social circle includes a great many recent immigrants who share your own ethnic background. How can I dismiss the clear and profound effects of their parents’ strict emphasis on their children’s education as a pathway to economic independence?

What does their children’s academic success have anything to do with being Filipino/Asian? The same can be said of active, non-Asian parents who place a high value on education.

As I don’t go around saying that one group is inherently superior to another group, the answer to your question is “no”.

abagond:

The illegitimacy rate among White Americans is higher now than that of blacks in the 1960s when the Moynihan Report came out, yet whites are way richer than blacks were then. Whites have not sunk into widespread poverty.

[…]

Or: West Indians have long had higher illegitimacy rates than Black Americans and yet do better than them IN AMERICA despite being foreigners.

An ongoing White American racism that still affects blacks can make sense of all this, illegitimacy rates shed no light at all. It is just a cover for white racist thinking.

There’s another explanation. The modern “knowledge economy” requires far greater skills and education than it did 50 years ago, when a person with a strong back and solid work ethic could support their family. Those jobs hardly exist now.

Thus, the long-term effects of reduced parental resources in OOW families has become greater over time. Witness the proliferation of after-school enrichment programs that parents obsessively over-subscribe their children to in order to confer additional advantages in the college application process.

As for West Indians, without knowing much about their experiences, I would suggest that like many immigrants, they might tend to form tighter communities than the population at large, thus having more extended family around to blunt the effects of their high OOW birthrate.

Once can conclude that a college education is becoming increasingly essential to employment, income, and wealth. Those without a degree in a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering & Math) field face a darkening economic future.

I think one could reasonably argue that increased parental investment facilitates college degree attainment, even more critically for the more challenging (and economically rewarding) STEM degrees.

Randy is like an old, poorly stage magician: his hands move like his mouth, his arguments are his stage props, his facts are like his dried aide, strangled by the corset of industrialized beauty -flat both in both form and color. His last trick is an illusion only he believes in.

In the end, the audience remains silent. The curtain falls quietly, unaccompanied by applause.

We leave, unimpressed, to face the real world. Outside, the warmth of the sun greets us and opens up our minds to enjoy the company of fellow human beings, only concerned of their kindness, curiosity, warmth, laughter and wit of mind rather than their appearance, that will gently be faded by the touch of time. Idle chat and intelligent conversation fills the air. We embrace our differences and go to our homes, only to greet our friends the next day.

The only whiteness that remains is the bones of the magician, tenderly cleansed by the vultures of truth.

Lovely bit of prose, if a bit grim. Perhaps this in a classic style of the contemporary Finnish literary aethestic? I shall ponder its metaphors and allusions.

@Bulanik:

When they treat racism like a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, rather than the stuff of other people’s lives.

Creating a more just society is a function of policy and practice. Reason and debate allow us to develop and refine models with which to attempt to effectively execute such a vision.

I would suggest that treating “racism” as a special topic that one must suspend the use of one’s intellectual capacities in discussing is probably the very worst course of action to achieve the stated goals.

You are pulling a Sarah Palin. When you cannot answer a question, you just repeat something from your talking points. There little sign of thought on your part. You do not even pass the Turing Test for human intelligence:

No problem. I appreciate your sentiment; thank you for the explanation. 😎

@ Hannu:

Nicely done! Very well-written.

@ Bulanik:

Wow, you too? The person who tried to stuff money in my pants ended up without the $25, got a face full of hot coffee, and the coffee cup bounced off of their forehead! Then they were bounced out of the pub, while I got three comped drinks – one from the bouncer, one from the bartender, and one from the manager! 😎

For the most part, these tests are probably solid ways of getting an estimate of a person’s mindset. Though, as a white man, I resent one of the other comments saying that ‘white people’ don’t care about ‘black people’. That’s nonsense. Sure, a very large majority of whites in the United States are subtly racists, often unbeknownst to themselves – but not all of them are. I count myself as one of them. Politically I rail any citizen or politician who supports or tries to implement policy that either openly or indirectly harms or affects poorer communities that are predominantly African American. I am quite aware of the fact that American history is responsible for the poor conditions of those communities, and it is vitally important that legislation tries to correct that, and give opportunities to amend the wrongs. Not just legislation – white Americans need to use human resource to fix this too. Civil volunteering, social gospel work, education opportunities, – simply going and helping however you can with your bare hands. To say that all white people don’t care about black people is incorrect and it certainly does not help facilitate the understanding that needs to spread among white people and the dailogue that needs to happen as FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. I live in a very diverse city – Philadelphia. One of the most diverse in the world, not just the country. Unfortunately, there are communities in this city that still have very noticeable remnants of the injustices that were done by whites to blacks. My father spent his life as a teacher for the city in those communities, and taught me how to spot subtle racism in fellow white people – and just how wrong it was. Since I was a child ive see with my own eyes the modern-day effect of so many years of those injustices. I vote to correct them. I work to correct them. I speak to correct them. I volunteer to correct them. I understand how insulting it is for white people to say to adjust your tone, or present the message nicer – after all the years of wrong and injustice who’s effects linger to this day. But at the same token, you have to understand human nature. Many white people aren’t aware they are subtly racist – feel as though since they did not themselves personally own slaves, or ever discriminate against African Americans, that they are not responsible for any of the effects those things had. The result is a stalemate that gets us nowhere. Dialogue ceases – neither group understands the other’s. What we need is individuals on each side who is able to sympathize extraordinarily. Those who understand their own group’s mindset – and the others. It is those individual’s responsibilities to re-open the dialogue. To show and convince those of their same race the things they’re doing that worsen the problem. White people who understand have a MUCH lager responsibility to do this. But that doesn’t mean that African Americans should not try to understand and spread the understanding that – human nature is human nature – speaking on the offense immediately causes the other person to become defense. They close up, the white american then immediately refuses to understand the other but tries to defend themselves. It’s up to all of us. The tradition of Henry David Thoreau was taken up by Dr. King was then taken up by Mahatma Gandhi – it is a tradition of nonviolence and that includes nonviolence in speech. Understanding breeds understanding, kindness breeds kindness. It is up to each individual in all races who get this simple concept to spread understanding among our human family.

(This is a response to several different posts)
Before I put my opinion in this, let me make you all aware that I am a Caucasian male age 19. My girlfriend of two years is African American, and I do believe she is the purest, most beautiful, smartest, and just overall most amazing person in the world. And I have dated Caucasian girls before.
Now for the opinion:
First of all, I find that when you talk about “white people” you imply that all of us are racist. Do you believe on a personal level that all white people are racist?
Secondly, we are not our ancestors. Slavery was an awful thing, and to be totally honest with you, I teared up when they showed a violent movie in class about what a slave in those times went through. It was heartbreaking. Although my family was not in America in the time of Slavery, I still was disgusted with the fact that I was relate able to those horrible slave owners. But you must also be aware that technically there is no “American” ethnicity. Therefore, most of the Caucasian people came from places like Europe. And I assume that you’ve had a very plentiful education but the facts you use to back up your theories and thoughts. You must also remember that there was a holocaust. Every ethnicity suffered under that event. And although “white people” ran the whole thing, my Caucasian family in Poland suffered. All my ancestors from that time were in concentration camps. My Great-Grandma was the only one to survive, and that was only because several officers favored her, and they raped her repeatedly. And she let them without struggle, because she wanted to survive. When she was liberated in 1945, she was 15 years old. She had my blonde haired- blue eyed Grandmother 4 months later. Later, they met a woman who would take them to America. Let me tell you: I look in the mirror every morning and see those blue eyes. And although I have that reminder, what happened cannot be changed. I hate those who hurt my ancestors, but I do not hate their descendants. So, tell me, if my ancestors had enslaved your ancestors, would you hate me too? Would you hate me simply because I was born in to that family? Even though I didn’t do anything?
What I don’t understand is how you can call “white people” racist (which is a stereotype) yet, you do not consider yourself to be racist against white people? You obviously dislike the white people of the world, but isn’t that racist? Because from what I inferred in your writings, I have concluded that you believe that African Americans/”blacks” are superior to “white people”. And that, is the very definition of racism.
I don’t want to come across as cruel, and I’m sorry if I did. It’s just, I felt like you were insulting ME as an individual, almost like you were accusing me of being racist. I hate that I used the word “race” and “ethnicity” in this comment. Because I believe that to truly say that there is no “racism” in the world is to truly not know what “races” are. We all have hearts, and we are all breathing. We are all equals.
I’d like to know your personal opinion of interracial couples.
Please do NOT answer these questions with facts, I’d just like your opinion.
Sincerely,
Chris

How could you so easily use the word hate or imagine us doing the same thing. By doing so, you belie your own personal story as you should know by now what is hatred, and at the very least wouldn’t use that word so casually.

Beside that, racism is not that kind of force that conveniently spring out as a logical consequence from some kind of event, like slavery. Racism exists as a rationalizing mechanism, it doesn’t force you but it could soothe you and reassert your normality when you are caught in an aberrant act.

Racism and hatred are two entirely different thing , albeit sometimes complementary.
Per instance, you don’t hang a man and slowly roast him because you are racist, neither do you rape a young girl because of some kind of ideology. Those things, they would have done them anyway, whether these ideologies existed or not.

So, why is it important to tell if a white person is racist ? because racism main and sole purpose has always been to shepherd the thoughts of the beneficiaries of white supremacy, also known as white people, not to be confused with white skinned human beings or caucasians as they like to be dignified with.

As I hinted before, racism doesn’t force one’s behaviour to be aberrant, it’s rather the other way around. That person’s behavior was aberrant to begin with. Racism only enters into the picture because it provides a frame of plausible normality to what would otherwise be considered abnormal.

That’s why the recognition of racist thought patterns are an important telltale of the encroachment magnitude on someone’s thought process.

Rape, theft, slavery, sadistic murders, torture, domination,all those existed way before racism was artificially created. So racism could not be the cause, there are probably darker base instincts at work here.

In a way, you’re right when you say racism doesn’t exist, but you’re wrong if you believe that should racism never had existed, none of those acts would have been happened , although the victims might have been different.

Your answer is not an answer at all. It is like you are one of those talking toys which cannot hear and only talks in canned phrases.

Perhaps I didn’t offer a complete enough response.

The original question was why increasing illegitimacy among whites and blacks has not led to increasing poverty rates among either.

My answer is I believe that there have been increasing poverty rates. The reason why is related to education which in turn is affected by illegitimacy. Single parent homes generally lack the same amount of resources to invest in their children as 2 parent homes.

In addition to official classifications of “poverty” we can see many other similar indications of this phenomena: average wealth of under 35s decreasing 68% in 35 years, stagnant median incomes over the past generation, high levels of unemployment for those without bachelor degrees, and a well-publicized shrinking of the middle class to name a few.

The inexorable advance of globalism will further reward those with high-end technical skills while eroding the earning potential of those without. Liberal arts degrees are worth less and less as increasing number of backoffice-type jobs are being outsourced.

A mediocre student of today can’t expect the same earnings / wealth / pension as his mediocre parents could. Engineers, skilled medical workers, and others with technical educations can still make a great living.

I did it all for you, darling. The metaphors should be rather obvious. I’d be disappointed if you needed extra time to uncrypt the fairly offensive nature of my little entertaining piece. If you need a Rosetta’s stone for translitteration, it’s in the British Museum. It should be returned to Egypt, I know, but you have to blame Napoleon’s officers for that and their failure to defend their emperor’s claims.

And I assure you, Finnish prose writers have better things to do than trying to offend supremacists. 😉 Plus, their grammar is better than my feeble attempts. Your slight annoyance is my pleasure, I assure you, mon ami.

@Sepultura
Thank you, the gazer of nordic lights! How are you? Getting ready to jump on your snowmobile?

The amount of of bygone racism Randy would like to swipe under a carpet would require a magic carpet the of size ancient Baghdad. And yes, I have read the stories of The Thousand Nights, aka the Arabian Nights.

I am humbled that I was able to entertain you people! Sometimes I find it hard to be serious and Randy does not make it any easier. Chuckle!

Bulanik did ask many specific questions you evaded. As well by several others. Beacuse the answers to those questions would shake the foundations of your little olmic empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olm

You are not open to an honest discussion, you came here as a king of your little sand castle of delightfully white sands. And you know if you answer the questions here, your castle will be washed away by the the waves of curiosity and knowledge.

Haha! Vitun kippis to you too! I wonder why you as an american italian are so vested in the current events of the ‘plight’ of the white people around the western world. You seem to know a bit about the current situation, care to elaborate about your concerns?

Why don’t you peddle back, because I did not ask those questions, Bulanik did. She might pay you the courtesy of asking them again. She seems to be an individual of considerable insight and intellect. I dare not to intervene.

Haha! Vitun kippis to you too! I wonder why you as an american italian are so vested in the current events of the ‘plight’ of the white people around the western world. You seem to know a bit about the current situation, care to elaborate about your concerns?

Your question actually illustrates a fundamental problem with the race debate in the west. In desiring transparency, honesty, and an end to double-standards in this arena, someone like me is painted as being an adversarial partisan. Why? Because I’m white, apparently.

How ironic is it that the people who most vocally demand racial equality nonetheless judge others on their race?

As for “why” I care, there are two main reasons:

1. Working towards a more fair and just society should be the moral imperative of civilized persons.

2. My own children will likely find themselves in the race-debate milieu, and I’d like to prepare myself to prepare them to navigate it.

“@ MinnieB: I agree wholeheartedly with that! The American ‘education’ system is one of many in this country that need a complete overhaul…how to do it is the quandry.”

I don’t agree it is a “quandary” as much as it is a commitment. It has been my experience and observation, white people are dedicated to the pleasurable activity of perpetuating racism. They (people known as white) actively avoid EDUCATING their children about the SYSTEM of white supremacy embedded in their “culture”, thus creating yet another generation of “ignorant” little “white” perpetuators.

Non-white adults who are not confused, MUST make the commitment to educate non-white children as to the methodology, and the behaviors inherent in a system of racism white supremacy. When non-white children are instructed to take off blinders (created and encouraged by the beneficiaries of racism) and are given language, terminology, vocabulary at an early age, which will be accurate behavior identifiers for racist man and woman.

For me personally, it is apparent white people are not going to ACTIVELY end the system of racism. Therefore one change non-white people can make is, Actively educate their children, and that includes the system of racism too.

A white person is racist if he moves out a neighborhood when Blacks move in.
A white person is racist if he moves into a Black neighborhood.
A white man is racist if he doesn’t date Black women.
A white man is racist if he dates Black women.
The schools are racist for not socially promoting Black students.
The schools are racist for graduating Black children who can’t read.
Grocers are racist for not opening grocery stores in Black neighborhoods.
Grocers are racist for “stealing from the community” when they open stores in Black neighborhoods.
Law enforcement is racist for locking up young Black men.
Law enforcement is racist for not doing anything about Black on Black crime.
“The Man” is racist for bringing drugs into our community.
“The Man” is racist for arresting the drug dealers who employ half of our community.
“The Man” is racist for destroying the Black Family.
“The Man” is racist for suggesting Black people get married because marriage is for white people.
The System is racist for not giving us free stuff.
The System is racist for making us dependent on the System.

White people are racist for hurting Black people.
White people are racist for helping Black people.
White people are racist for throwing up their hands and walking away.

Being a black woman from another country has enabled me to view American whites from a looking glass perspective.
Believe me when I tell you that their entire lives are spent thinking about us. And the many ways to avoid us.
What schools to attend. What houses to buy. Where to work and what jobs to apply for.

For a race that is bent on promoting the ideology of superiority, they sure are consumed with us, aren’t they?
How to escape from us by geology, relationships and such…
It makes you wonder why such deep, penetrating thoughts are always about us?

We are more concerned with promoting ourselves and uplifting our community but most whites are so concerned with what we are doing.

Growing up in the south, I have no trouble telling if a white person is racist. No, not at all.

Aba stated:
They believe that whites are naturally better than blacks – more intelligent, more moral, more trustworthy, more beautiful, more hard-working and so on. Like if they think whites are Basically Good while blacks are not.

–> This is defiantly at the root of it all. It USE to irritate me when I’d get something like the Dean’s list, and all of a sudden, the white kids and white teachers “didn’t know”, they were “surprised” that this “black kid” was so “bright”……just like it was expected bc I’m black, I would not be very smart—even though there were plenty of white kids who were not all that “bright”, no one expected that bc they were white; those kids were simply “struggling” and they just needed “extra time/help”–no one looked at them as just being “slow” or less intelligent; it had absolutely not a thing to do with them being white, though the same could not be said for the black kids. There were so many other black kids who, although they were not in the top 5% of their class, a lot of them were at least in the top 10%, but went unnoticed.
…but this was undergrad and high school.
I was so sure, at the graduate level, things would be different. I was in (and I’m still in) a “professional” program, 4 years. I was excited about it bc I was well on my way to doing what I want to do in life!
…..I kept encountering this same mess. The program I am in is very diverse roughly 41% black 43% white 12% hispanic 4% Asian.
One of my white classmates told me, I made her feel “inferior” when I was, like most other students, helping my classmates go over some things they were not very clear on. She said she didn’t get it until I explained to her and her group–she could have just left it at that, but she didn’t. Of all the words, she chose to say….”inferior”.

What I just laugh at now, is when someone, who is white ask me what I am doing “school, working etc” and i tell them, it’s almost a look of pure shock—their face turns paler than it was previously, mouth open, eyes wide, like someone knocked the wind out of them—some of them even go into asking me “do you mean, a tech?”…and I contrast this to a random black person I just met asking me the same thing….completely different reaction.
I have a heap of stories that surrounds this issue.

In large, from what I have seen, most white people think black people are stupid and incompetent, just bc they are black, while white incompetency and lack of intelligence goes under the radar just bc they are white.

@indigoblu
I’ve been getting the same treatment my whole life.
Yes, whites will be threatened by you and it will get more intense as you venture out into the world with your new career.

I had a choice to go to regular school or take the online program. I took the online program. I’ve had so many bad experiences with white teachers who look at my work with a fine tooth comb, searching for any minute mistake to mark my grade down, that it became almost overwhelming.

White people are afraid of intelligent blacks. This is from the days of slavery when we were not allowed to read, write or even know basic knowledge of survival outside the masters farm. Things in this country have not changed much, it’s just more covert.

Keep your head up. Don’t be offended by the oppressor. Let all those snarky comments push you further. I did. And you will too.

Thank you for your words of encouragement. I’ve always have drive and ambition in spite of, as I’m sure you do, but you’re right, the comments do make you stronger and even push you more.

It’s just irritating at times. A black lady, who is very good at what she does, one of the best, I worked for over the summer, some time back told me the same thing. She owns her business and has a high client volume, and mostly white people work under her. Some of them would just blatantly “attempt” to tell her how to do her job. Mind you, she owns this company–almost 25 years. I was so taken back by that, the nerve.

The word “racist” has become in practice “anyone who disagrees with me or doesn’t give me what I want” so racism isn’t going away. Since majority Black areas are hellholes of crime, poverty, hopelessness and illegitimacy that suck down taxpayer money white people won’t live there.

* THE NUMBER ONE WAY to know if a white person is a racist troll
is that individual jumps around different threads saying inane things, like Jay from Philly is prone to say.

Happy New Year Jay.

May you be blessed & visited in 2012 by a tsunami of up-close and personal experiences regarding the lives of black men, women and children in every single aspect of your apparently bane socio-economic existence.

Since majority Black areas are hellholes of crime, poverty, hopelessness and illegitimacy that suck down taxpayer money white people won’t live there.

Is this because they prefer to live in trailer parks? I’m sure this cant apply to you though can it? From the disdain you are casting in your generalisations on BP, you must be one of those rare WM going out there and making a significant difference both to his locality and the world…

Since majority Black areas are hellholes of crime, poverty, hopelessness and illegitimacy that suck down taxpayer money white people won’t live there.

Why not? the houses are cheaper there! Of course there are no whites that fit that description though. You can tell a white person is racist when their mouths are moving! You are a racist and come to blogs like these to justify your racist ideation because you don’t like what is being written. No one can make you ‘racist’, you are capable of doing so with little aid from the coloureds!.

Today is the start of a new year.
I will not let the small minded views of unintelligent people cast me down.
Most whites were, are and always will be on a lifelong quest for reassurance that they are truly superior. ( What a rotten way to live life)

Only the most insecure and fearful people need a lifetime of that kind of constant reassurance. Most whites are now more afraid than ever…you can tell just by listening to them. Remember the McCain campaign saga on TV with all those angry whites shouting and carrying on like banshees? We have come a long way in a short amount of time; president Obama has proven that.

That fear is that one day, soon, we will rise up and do to them what they have done to us. That’s why the conspiracy against us continues. That’s why in this economy, our unemployment numbers doubles that of whites, even though we are mostly middle class and more educated than ever before.

All measures are being taken to keep us ” in line.”
Fear not..
For nothing lasts.
They know this. They FEEL this. They discuss this at home behind closed doors and at meetings when we are safely out of earshot. They know what they have done and gleefully continue to do will someday turn around at them.

Pay no attention to Jay from Philly…he’s scared and needs to vent his fear. That’s why he’s on THIS blog.. and not ” Stuff white people like.”
Many others will voice similar opinions, expect it but don’t digest it.
Peace be unto all of you…

“They know this. They FEEL this. They discuss this at home behind closed doors and at meetings when we are safely out of earshot. They know what they have done and gleefully continue to do will someday turn around at them.”

The being stages of this “turn around” is what is happening with our foriegn policy. All the terrorism that America (White America) has committed against nations of color is being repaid with interest. The sad part about it is that people of color in this country will suffer from these effects (i.e. Black and Brown people who died on 9/11 and in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Today is the start of a new year.
I will not let the small minded views of unintelligent people cast me down.
Most whites were, are and always will be on a lifelong quest for reassurance that they are truly superior. ( What a rotten way to live life)

Only the most insecure and fearful people need a lifetime of that kind of constant reassurance. Most whites are now more afraid than ever…you can tell just by listening to them. Remember the McCain campaign saga on TV with all those angry whites shouting and carrying on like banshees? We have come a long way in a short amount of time; president Obama has proven that.

That fear is that one day, soon, we will rise up and do to them what they have done to us. That’s why the conspiracy against us continues. That’s why in this economy, our unemployment numbers doubles that of whites, even though we are mostly middle class and more educated than ever before.

All measures are being taken to keep us ” in line.”
Fear not..
For nothing lasts.

“Since majority Black areas are hellholes of crime, poverty, hopelessness and illegitimacy that suck down taxpayer money white people won’t live there.”

That is what white people like to tell themselves but that is not how it works. For example, I once lived in a black neighbourhood that was hardly one of those “hellholes of crime, poverty, hopelessness and illegitimacy”. It was quiet and middle-class. Yet in the eight years I lived there not a single white family bought a house there, though plenty of black families did.

First of all it was only the Latin speaking and Germanic speaking languages (which includes England) or countries (western europe) that enslaved black people. Central europe and the Balkans and Eastern europe had no time to bother with slavery of Africans, reason being is because those countries were fighting to keep from being slaves of the Muslims and also most of those countries had their own internal problems and really reasons to go enslave other people. So as someone who originates from central europe and is neither Latin or German in origin i could careless. It is funny how everyone on this board just generalizes and you don’t call yourselves racist.
I know people on this board are gonna start calling me racist for critisizing their own racist veiws , So i guess the race is on. As for Latino people complaining Latins were the biggest slave traders of all yes and i do mean Mexico, Brazil, Cuba, and all the rest of south America, not just the european Latins.

Central europe and the Balkans and Eastern europe had no time to bother with slavery of Africans, reason being is because those countries were fighting to keep from being slaves of the Muslims and also most of those countries had their own internal problems and really reasons to go enslave other people.

So I guess they don’t pick up the attitudes of the home gown whites after immigrating eh? History show this with the Italians and Irish. The Irish were oppressed as well. It didn’t stop them from taking on the ‘white’ racist mentality after a few generations. Poles, Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans are no different once they get here. In fact, there is an upsurge of racism and anti-Islam in Europe if I am not mistaken, based upon European news sources(I’m not referring to those British rags such as the Daily Mail or the Sunday Mirror). So don’t be quick to give yourself a pat on the back. Oh, and as for being racist? If the shoe fits wear it! One of the most obvious clues is when the white person is the first to bring up racism.

Did it occur to any party here, that maybe races really DO have differences!?

Why is it so unreasonable that the race that’s by far the oldest, with the most primitive, primate-like features could have other primitive qualities!?

Through recent worldwide MRI scans of black people’s brains vs white or Asian, we see a very blatant difference: blacks have noticeably less cranial capacity compared to other races.

This IS fact.

Why do we have to keep ignoring and branding any truth that’s not “feel-good” or color-blind, racist?

Races ARE different, they evolved during very different time periods and in vastly different parts of the world. They also benefited separately from mutations and thus enjoy very different traits.

Does it mean that every black is less intelligent than every white, NO! But sorry to say, in General the African race is the oldest and most primitive.

It’s also interesting that there 47 countries in Africa and ALL 47 are the most helpless, abjectly poor, disease ridden and have been WELL before whites even set foot there! Blacks blame black failure in the united states as the product of slavery. But WHAT’S all 47 countries of Africa’s excuse!?

I’m sorry, but crude primate-like features, brain scans proving lower average brain matter, EVERY AND ALL black countries still in spears after having BY FAR the most time to progress. I’m sorry but the writing is on the wall, blacks are the more primitive race.

I don’t regularly check this forum but I will
gladly take any person in disagreement head-on.

The topic is regarding the contempt for racism. -How do you spot a (white) racist?

Yet I read people’s posts here calling whites “trolls,” etc..,

What do I extract from that? That in here I guess it’s ok to be racist as long it’s against whites? Or is it that the people finger pointing are too obtuse to realize their own hypocrisy is being just as guilty??

Abagond, I like your “cute & condescending” little comment about my observations. You said they were noted 100+ years ago.

This may shock you, but I also reinforced my assertions by citing Magnetic Resonance Imaging. MRI is a hell of lot more recent than the “1800’s” or even “1911”. Oops for you!

And yes, the observations of old, while admittedly exaggerated and crude, still revealed an important distinction about blacks. Distinctions that can now be backed by modern science.

Incredibly inconvenient truth:

Look, at the end of the day, whites have A REASON to be racist that’s a hell of a lot more legitimate than blacks.

White people BUILD society, blacks DESTROY it.

If the vast vast majority of black neighborhoods being crime ridden ghettos (and don’t be so intellectually dishonest to cite a black neighborhood you knew that wasn’t. Exceptions prove nothing more than the fact that they are ONLY EXCEPTIONS) is not enough proof that racism against blacks is reasonable, look at the living conditions of EVERY SINGLE country in Africa.

ALL 56 of them (thanks for the correction. Turns out there’s 9 more examples of black failure than I thought)

their statistics of X, Y and Z, with the purpose of citing them as evidence for the justification of their oppression. Wow. The lows some people, like “The Inconvenient Truth” will go to.

Inconvenient Truth will sit and obsessively focus on African statistics, while ignoring stats of poor European countries such as Moldova, Albania or Ukraine. Why the obsession with all things African? Greece and Spain have failing economies. Europe went through a centuries long period of illiteracy, poverty and ignorance called the Dark Ages. The money Europe’s monarchs made following this period largely came from the exploitation of the resources of other territories: colonization.

I can do a search on google or Yahoo answers, and find countless posts dedicated to degrading people based on their nationality. I joined a Christian website called Christwire only to find that the majority of white members there cannot follow Christ’s command to “love thy neighbor”. Here I was seeking God and all I found on this conservative Christian website was racist articles. I guess in their eyes, Christ is not for everybody.

Inconvenient Truth, the truth is that you are obsessed with Black people, and obsessed with proving our “inferiority”. If we were so inferior, you wouldn’t have to go to great lengths, and very likely spend hours of your precious time to make this information known. If you are confident in your superiority, and confident in who you are as a person, then why is there this desire within you to prove your superiority? It’s a high school bully mentality to me.

Never have I focused obsessively on a race of people, and looked at their
statistics of X, Y and Z, with the purpose of citing them as evidence for the justification of their oppression. Wow. The lows some people, like “The Inconvenient Truth” will go to.

Inconvenient Truth will sit and obsessively focus on African statistics, while ignoring stats of poor European countries such as Moldova, Albania or Ukraine. Why the obsession with all things African? Greece and Spain have failing economies. Europe went through a centuries long period of illiteracy, poverty and ignorance called the Dark Ages. The money Europe’s monarchs made following this period largely came from the exploitation of the resources of other territories: colonization.

I can do a search on google or Yahoo answers, and find countless posts dedicated to degrading people based on their nationality. I joined a Christian website called Christwire only to find that the majority of white members there cannot follow Christ’s command to “love thy neighbor”. Here I was seeking God and all I found on this conservative Christian website was racist articles. I guess in their eyes, Christ is not for everybody.

Inconvenient Truth, the truth is that you are obsessed with Black people, and obsessed with proving our “inferiority”. If we were so inferior, you wouldn’t have to go to great lengths, and very likely spend hours of your precious time to make this information known. If you are confident in your superiority, and confident in who you are as a person, then why is there this desire within you to prove your superiority? It’s a high school bully mentality to me.

The difference between the poor European countries vs THE ENTIRE CONTINENT of Africa, is that European countries go through CYCLES of both struggle and flourishment. It’s like a roller coaster with its highs and lows.

In contrast, all 56 countries of Africa have ALWAYS been doomed in poverty, without any periods of flourishment. And despite being by far the oldest race (meaning they’ve had by far the longest time to progress) they are STILL stuck as a flat line for progression.

Additionally, compare even poor European contributions to world of art, literature, technology, etc. versus Africa.

Type in the greatest writers of all time and you quickly see eastern European writers like Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Pushkin etc.. Look at country of origin of brilliant mathematicians, artists, scientists, composers, philosophers, etc..,

Conversely, not only is every single African country completely barren of ANY meaningful contribution to the world of literature, science, math, technology, etc.., but have in fact, ALWAYS been HELPLESSLY poor, disease ridden well before any other race even existed and has stayed that way hundreds of thousands of years later!! Talk about a track record of failure!

Rain, isn’t it a little hypocritical to mention racial obsession on “Abagond;” a blog that fingerpoints white racism virtually EVERY DAY?

I’m on here posting because Abagond commits the same terminal flaw as does many other ethnocentrics: he’s not brave enough to elect an avatar for the opposite position as his.

In other words, pick a strong, intelligent, inciteful person who’s proportionately ethnocentric for the white race. -A person who will be a balance to these very one-sided blogs.

If you want a blog that seeks objective TRUTH and not blind raging partisanship, you need a voice of opposition.

Only after the air settles from the two extreme viewpoints will REAL truth be revealed.

Im just going to be repeating myself about the genius of Africa and what it has given the world, anyone can feel free to check the Miles Davis thread to see why. Its such a waste of breath and effort to even address the LIES somone like Inconveniant Truth puts out when they try to imply that Western Civilisation is above the contributions of Africa and the Afro diaspora

“Conversely, not only is every single African country completely barren of ANY meaningful contribution to the world of literature, science, math, technology, etc.., but have in fact, ALWAYS been HELPLESSLY poor, disease ridden well before any other race even existed and has stayed that way hundreds of thousands of years later!! Talk about a track record of failure!”

Egypt is one of those African countries. It was in Flourishment for 2,500 years before anyone in Europe made any meaningful contribution to the world of literature, science, math, technology, etc. Why is that?

Or why was England a backward shithole, despite Roman contact, for the first 5,000 years of recorded history? How was it that West Africa had bigger cities and more famous schools than England as late as the 1400s?

You think white people have bigger brains. Not only is that racist, by definition, but it does not account for the backwardness of Europe throughout most of recorded history. It was backward all the way up to 500 BC and then, a thousand years later, most of the continent sank into a dark age. Without Arab contact by way of the Moors (Berbers) of north-west Africa it would probably still be a dark continent even now.

Talk about invention and genius, its a common theme among many slave holding countries in the Americas to throw the slaves the absolute worst parts of the animals to have to cook. Out of this most disgusting of treatments, African descendants of slaves created and invented some of the most delicous delicacies considered gormet cuisine , and national dishes like feijoada in Brazil and even in the USA “soul food cooking ” is noted and highly respected quisine

It comes from African quisine knowledge, The muqueca above, I just had one this last week, its my most favorite dish on earth!!!

People , dont let these white racists fool you for one minute.Genius, innovation, invention , comes in many forms. Enlightenment, comes in many cultures. Look at how people are realising that meditaion and yoga and things that have been around for centuries have gifts. Indians knowledge of the plants in the forests makes us look ignorant.

Most of you are college educated and they dont go into this, and for sure they dont go into the African genius and contribution to the world, but, its plain as every day living for me, I am a very viscaral person, I need living and feeling this world, and, beleive me, the Afro diasporic , and its African origins, have deep incredible genius origins of feeling and living life

“…The Science of the Dogon, and Sacred Symbols of the Dogon… what we call today the myths and symbols of ancient peoples have not only cosmology as their basis but that they originated from one, “parent” cosmology. Investigating and comparing the African Dogon tribe’s cosmology, language, and symbols to those of the ancient Egyptians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Na-khi-Dongba of China, and to contemporary physics and biology, we are shown strong similarities between them…”

In fact, in my view, it should have factually stated: Western science is completly in agreement with the Dogon of West Africa who have accounted for string theory and much more that Western science is still to discover…

* YAWN … even cats get bored with swatting at inept silly mice after a season.*

B.R.

There’s just too many of these unfathomable ______ to take seriously. They’re becoming more and more like really awful stand-up comics – the type audiences boo, RIDICULE and rip apart because their tiresome routines stink, lack creativity and originality. But they keep coming back with the same pitiful jokes. Perhaps Abagond will create a “racist troll section” here where disgruntled unhappy racists can bray/squeal/oink and be ninnies to their heart’s content.

They must be feeling something getting away from them. Why else would they keep coming here in increasing numbers?

They NEED to maintain/support their delusional existence because whiteness’ collective mental/emotional health is contingent upon being above Black Africans.

1.Ask them about reparations. Less important than whether they agree is how important they think the lives of black people are in comparison to whites.
2.Ask them what percentage of white people they think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

What about this for number three? Ask them if it were possible to come back in another life, would they come back as black?

” In contrast, all 56 countries of Africa have ALWAYS been doomed in poverty, without any periods of flourishment. And despite being by far the oldest race (meaning they’ve had by far the longest time to progress) they are STILL stuck as a flat line for progression”.

I advice you get documented before spitting out venom and spitefulness, thank God that we’re in the age of internet.
Google up “http://investinginafrica.net/2012/03/africas-tangible-progress/”
We’re also affected by the inflation rate, just as the rest of the world even in your so-called rich and poor European countries.

And don’t forget that” SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE”
And the road to athletic greatness is not marked by perfection, but the ability to constantly overcome adversity and failure. And above all “It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish!”

2. “Additionally, compare even poor European contributions to world of art, literature, technology, etc. versus Africa”.

You’re indeed pathetic because you think you are enjoying a blissful life, because of your ignorance and your world built with fiction, falsehood, excogitation, fallacy and concealment. Wake up! And stop reasoning like a “Mechanical device”, you’re a human for crying out loud, do some research for yourself, get documented, and stop believing all what you’re been told or what you read, that were said and written by people like you!

You went on to say “Type in the greatest writers of all time and you quickly see eastern European writers like Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Pushkin etc.. Look at country of origin of brilliant mathematicians, artists, scientists, composers, philosophers, etc..,

Conversely, not only is every single African country completely barren of ANY meaningful contribution to the world of literature, science, math, technology, etc.., but have in fact, ALWAYS been HELPLESSLY poor, disease ridden well before any other race even existed and has stayed that way hundreds of thousands of years later!! Talk about a track record of failure!

I bet losers like you who believe such crap about African in order not to feel like no-hoper in life, have never heard of people like these:

JUST TO NAME A FEW.
I suggest you visit this website as well: http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Bibliography/African_Origins_Math.html to discover “AFRICAN ORIGINS OF SCIENCE AND MATH”.
It is an annotated bibliography, it is a compilation of books, papers and articles that can provide some insight into the accomplishments of early Africans and African-Americans in science and mathematics. It can be utilized for research purposes or just to expand the general reader’s consciousness on the subject matter.
Don’t forget to google “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_art” as well.

I can tell when someone particularly a white person is a racist when he/she begins a sentence with, “I’m not a racist, but….”

Yeah, the “but” makes everything afterwards imply the opposite of “I’m not a racist”.

@Bell

Thank you for the sites. Always good to be informed than ignorant.

@Herneith
Gerald Massey, looked him up and noticed a generalized wiki that mentioned Eqyptologist who didn’t agree white his “Jesus/Horus” comparison. Interestingly enough they were not Eqyptologist based in Africa but predominately European countries. They would most likely have some bias and they really should have considered Gerald Massey evidence.

No…not directly. I googled him and obtained information about his areas of research and found this quote about an area I’m all too familiar with:

…he was also quite knowledgeable about the scriptures and was able to see the numerous and significant correlations between the Christian and Egyptian religions, or the “mythos and ritual,” as he styled them…

You’re welcome. Yes you’re right,” It’s always good to be informed than ignorant”.

I’ll also add that Ignorance is the most serious disease of mankind and it is the cause of all its ills. Healing is achieved through knowledge, and it is also an unforgivable Disease for people like “inconvenient truth, who blatantly say what they know nothing of, just because of their stupid hatred.
They can only be forgiven, if they wake up, get some knowledge and push the hatred aside!

Leigh, its me the old B.R. who got banned for fighting with Thad, Abagond allowed me to come back, which I apreciete very much. I think he knew I was following the blog even after that ( help keep me in line so I dont get banned again)

Omigosh! That was you all this time, B.R? I knew it!!! I couldn’t put my finger on it, but somehow I knew you were YOU because I read some of your posts here and there and you mentioned your wife, son, and love of drumming. Man, what a small world! Welcome back, B.R! 😀

I , as a white person , definitly would say that you could tell if a white person is racist if he does start spouting anything like black people have never invented anything or contributed anything…those are pretty much dead give aways.

I would also say that a whole lot of white inventions are really threatening our world right now. There is , in the Pacific ocean, a huge area that is mostly junk plastic garbage, I mean huge…

Our ozone is destroyed ,pesticides and I dont know what other poisons are dumped into our rivers and oceans. Fracking for natural gas is poisening water. White inventions, destroying our world.

here is some of the text , interesting stuff about how the slaves in the kitchen used African techniques to change the quisines and affect the national cooking styles…

Is it just me or is there something really innovative, inventive and incredibly Darwinian survival going on in that dynamic:

“No continent, however, has influenced Brazil’s culinary as the West Africans brought to the country as slaves in the mid-16th Century. Many of these enslaved Africans worked in their masters’ kitchens and gradually changed their Portuguese dishes using materials found in the land.

Africans also introduced palm oil, (an unfiltered version also found in many Jamaican dishes) coconut milk and rice while learning to use indigenous plants like cassava and cacao.

Today, Brazil is the country with the largest amount of Afro-descendants in the world, and their presence in the country’s foods can mostly be felt in the city of Salvador, in the state of Bahia”

How sad to pick out the non subsaharan country of Egypt to cite “African” accomplishments. Be more intellectually honest and pick a truly “black” country in Africa, not one like Egypt…
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The berbers were only one of MANY influences of European progression and culture. Either way, the point is compare the art, literature, architecture, fashion, music, science of Europe to Africa.

– blacks are BY FAR the oldest race and yet STILL in spears!

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Whites as a rule ARE more intelligent than blacks, in fact, around one entire standard deviation smarter, period:

1.
The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

2.
Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

3.
The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

4.
Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

5.
Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

6.
Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race “Colored” population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

7.
IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages–Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

8.
Race Differences in Other “Life-History” Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

9.
Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

10.
Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or “Head Start” programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.

Did you know the entire state of California actually BANNED IQ TESTS for black children because too many black children were getting test scores in the “retarded” range? (Retarded doesn’t necessarily mean a person who can’t speak and is slobbering. It means a person with far lower cognitive functioning than persons of normal intelligence)

…Because blacks consistently score an average of 15-18 points lower than whites, the question of cultural bias won’t go away. Although whites are generally more affluent and better educated than blacks, family income apparently does not account for the difference. When blacks and whites of similar economic backgrounds are compared, the gap is only reduced slightly — from 15 points to 10 or 12 points. And tests of black and white children from different socioeconomic status (SES) repeatedly find that low-SES white children score as high as high-SES black children.

Though many blacks will score at the top of the IQ spectrum and many whites score at the bottom, the practical significance of the difference lies in how many blacks and whites fall at extreme ends of the spectrum. IQ cutoffs can decide whether one is admitted into the Army for example. The armed forces are required to screen out the lowest 10 percent of the IQ distribution — those who score below 75. Only one in 20 white Americans scores below the cutoff, compared with one in five black Americans.

Whites as a rule ARE more intelligent than blacks, in fact, around one entire standard deviation smarter, period:

So why when referring to Abagond’s comment did you conveniently pass over my comment and B.R.’s about the Dogon in West Africa – Burkina Faso – to be precise. Not very intelligent to ignore now was it?

@ B.R.

There is a lot of distortion and mis-interpretation surrounding the Dogon and their accounts of our Cosmological Heritage. Much of this has come about because Western Science, entrenched in the grip of Euro-centrism, has been reluctant to accept much of its own detailed and researched findings about what has really come out of Africa. A bit like the poster inconvenient truth here. lol !!!

A more detailed and up to date appreciation of what the Dogon peoples know can be found here in this recent presentation:

The Dogon of West Africa (“Merita”) have a wealth of information about the origins of people on this planet. Much of this is only now (2012) beginning to be shared. Particularly their Astronomical data concerning our primary stellar origin – SIRIUS. The Sirius Sun is 6x our own…

Here Bikbaye Inejnema (A student of a Dogon elder) and Miriam Delicado (supporter) speak about some of this history.

Kwamla, thank you again for bringing the Dogon information in here. I have long ago disreguared western definitions of what “intelligence” means. these iq test aren relevant any more. If you saw even some of what Ive been saying about the real, below the Sahara African and Afro diaspora genius and gifts to the world , you know I am a huge benificiary of the incredible knowledge they have passed down to us.

Just for an example, I fell yesterday and sprained my wrist badly, its even discolored this morning. But, I had a very special booking playing with a tremendous musician extremly adept at executing the turn off your thinking brain and unlock the intuitive side of music that the black Africans perfected and spread to the world.We also were accompaning an incredible Afro Brazilian dancer doing rhythms and dances directily from Candomble, the most Afro roots practice in Brazil.

Every song was based on these concepts, even with the highest of 20th century harmony being filtered though these African concepts. It was about turning off the thinking brain and being in touch with our intuitive feelings

Being in the middle of these intense call responce , polly rhythmic grooves, turning off my thinking brain, totaly giving in to the intuitive feeling, the pain started to be healed…this wasnt just adrenilan, for sure that was there, but, I guarentee you if I was reading a chart or, thinking of a dificult arrangement , the pain would have been nagging me all night…instead, practicing in a very intence way, the black African concepts and discoveries, my wrist felt a tremenous healing. The pain was forgotten . I dont care what anyone would think , if they had some rationalisation about why that happened. I know very well the truth , Ive been understanding the deep healing power and force these concepts bring to the table for a long time. Ive gone to play jazz jobs sick and needed to be in bed , and, end the night feeling wonderful with vitality.

These are profound and deep concepts, music and dance are only aspects of this force and genius. As we see, the Dogons were aware of things in astrology they werent suposeed to know. We all hear of Egypt and their relationship with Sirius, but, the Dogon were exploring these things before…this is serious..our history books need to be seriously revived. Our ways of determining intelligance need to be totaly overhauled…

Its not about drumming and dancing. Those are just the creative arts that black Africans expressed their understanding of living.

Anyone who thinks that black African drum orchestras are just “primitive drumming” , cant even get out of the gate of an intelligent discusion about this.

the concept of layering pollyrhythms and grooving them to death, take an incredible insight into mathamatics and fundimental principles of how they work. You can study folkloric musics form ancient times and none of them come close to the black African concepts of sophisticat layered pollyryhthmic call responce concepts mixed exactly with dances that are meant to unlock energies and intuitions.

The philosophy to come with that in music, indicates a huge intelligence in other aspects of how to aproach life.The music is just the tip the way the great Classical Music of the composers in Europe is just one aspect of their genius, yet an incredible barameter to judge the depth of a culture.

These concept of layered pollyrhythms could be musical expresions of a great understanding of life , not unlike the ancient veda concepts in India and how their religions like hinduism and budhism , are very enlightened sources of knowledge and how to live life, and their North Indian Classical music is a musical expresion of the depth of their genius. People do ackowledge that, yoga and meditation are being accepted in western culture, but, these black African concepts are not really discussed as genuius and sources of knowledge for living, even though the westerner, every time he goes to a disco rave and dances around to really the most basic 101 versions of these musical concepts, he comes out feeling really good and happy but really has no idea where these good feeling came from or why he is feeling so good.

I sure dont want this to sound like ” all black people sing and dance’. All black people do not sing and dance well at all…

You have to conciously seek out and make an effort to understand the power of what it means . Its not automaticly granted to anyone. Its culture…it has to be learned..and its culture that has been passed down, and passed down under some of the most horrendous Darwinian survival obsticles that exist in the history of mans inhumanity to man.And not only survived, but dominated and invented an innovated the culture of anywhere that they were brought. That is real power and force,, to survive that

The Inconvenient Truth lists in detail many of the intelligence differences between blacks and whites which have stood the test of time. These intelligence differences are part of the Differences Between Blacks and Whites that I have been writing about on this blog, and explain why blacks have a hard time in white society – they are less suited to it.

Sorry, pal, but ALL your arguments have been shot down here many times over so nobody really cares about those anymore.

Sorry to you, FinnFlam Sam. Being “shot down here” means nothing. This is an anti-white, black racist blog; this blog is not objective, so the IQ results are simply ignored on this blog because it does not keep to the script.

If both his parents were black, yes there’d be no question he’s black. THEY ARE NOT!

If even ONE of his parents was black, he’d at least be half- you’d have a decent case. But NEITHER are!

If even one grandparent on one side of his family were all black, you’d have at least a 1/4 black!

But his “blackness” is ALL THE WAY BACK to his one GREAT-GRANDFATHER!

People typically have 8 great-grandparents. That means he was at most 12.5% black and 87.5% white.

HOW IN THE HELL do you ignore 87.5% and focus on 12.5%?!

If 87.5% was a test score, it’d be a very high test score, almost an “A”.
If 12.5% was a score it’d be an extremely low “F”. (Even “guessing” on a typical test gives a score of around 25%. 12.5% is half of guessing)

See, this is the kind RIDICULOUS unscrutinized lie that blacks put out! It’s embarrassing and DISGUSTING.

Did you find Pablo Picasso African period themed pictures to be artistic or boring? For a brief period he was influenced by Africa art that he had viewed and tried to represent that form of art with his paintings. Picasso is a well known artist. Any thoughts?

Oh my god you talk toooo much! I don’t even know how to respond to someone who rambles on and on and on!

Sometimes you have posts that don’t even have a point! My god! Just make a point backed with facts and BE DONE WITH IT!

Ok, you and Kwamla were talking about the “genius” of the Dogon.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

The Dogon are an ethnic group living in the central plateau region of Mali, Africa.

Now instead of looking at dancing and music (which are obviously only important AFTER you have a society that has adequate earnings and health), LET’S LOOK AT SUBJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IMPORTANT:

The fact is Mali is one of the poorest countries in the world. Did you know about half the population of Mali live at the US equivalent of $1.25 PER DAY!? That’s around $456 PER YEAR. YES, that’s not a bi-weekly salary or even monthly IT’S AN ENTIRE YEAR!

Mali’s health and development indicators rank among the worst in the world. In 2000, only 62–65 percent of the population was estimated to have access to safe drinking water and only 69 percent to sanitation services of some kind.

Now let’s look at life expectancy of these “geniuses.”

Life expectancy is on average 49.5 years! (47.6 for males and 51.5 for females)

That means when you’ve hit 45 there, you are only a few YEARS AWAY FROM DYING!!!

Would you have considered Pushkin “White” if he was a gangster, dumb and read like kindergardener, a criminal, violent, un-educated?
Yes, I know that all what i mentioned above applies to all races, but I’m curious to know your opinion.

“But his “blackness” is ALL THE WAY BACK to his one GREAT-GRANDFATHER!”

Is the “One Drop Rule” acceptable in some cases and unacceptable in other cases?

I don’t see how social conditions some how invalidate what the Dogon has done that indicates that they are geniuses. That was a very irritated response by an inconvenient truth who may be having a bad day..or is tipsy,..or both.

The reason why some people consider Pushkin black is the fact that in american history, even people who were 1/8 black were considered black. They were called octoroons, this American tradition of racial classification continues to this day.

But doesn’t Europe have policies to allow for free healthcare in many of its countries? That means that the wealthy can pay for quality health care facilities and the less fortunate have access those facilities. Unfortunately,
Africa does not have free healthcare (correct me if I am wrong) and an economy that will allow for the very wealthy to provide money for adequate health care facilities. Most (I assume not sure) would have to come out of pocket for service that can be sub par because of inadequate supplies to the health facilities and low medical staffs. Low life expectancy does not indicate a lack of “intelligence”, imo.

if you read about the Dogon history, you would see they were in Mali, right on the path of the heavy slave trade from the Arabs and the other slave trade to Europe. The Dogon were decimated by slavery.

Colonialism decimated Africa also, we all know this, why dont you?

We are talking about their knowledge from ancient times . Many of the ancient cultures have nothing to do with what is happening now.

How about Hungary compared to the rest of Europe? Is it very high on the list of the power countries? Does that mean that Bartok is any less relevant ? Your words are extremly foolish

Genius comes in many forms. It has nothing to do with richness or absence of suffering.

India has unbeleivible knowledge and history, and it has great poverty, does that diminish the value of their knowledge ?

And, the fact that I ramble endlessly with great enthusiasm , am the worst misspeller on the whole blog, make huge grammatical blunders, doesnt diminish for one instance the essence of the things I am talking about…

I am the worst person to convey these incredible truths , its a pity for these truths that I am the one conveying them, but, they are so powerful that you cant deny them

And, let me make it perfectly clear, what I am talking about isnt an opinion , or an argument, it isnt really up for discusion at all, its just plain truth.I dont ask you to respect it, and accept it, I demand it

a comment I just made hit moderation, in reveiwing it, I beleive I used the word racist, which, in the spirit of keeping with the policies of this blog, I dont mean to acuse any one person as a racist, Im speaking in general terms

You mention healthcare in Europe as though Europe is a country. It’s a continent! Healthcare in Europe is provided through a WIDE range of different systems run at the national level.

But can’t you see the point?! Europe has created complex healthcare systems while most African countries can’t even separate sewage from drinking water!

@ B.R. You actually are blaming white colonization for the mess in Africa?! Are you kidding me?!

The “Scramble for Africa” was during the New Imperialism period -between 1881 and World War I in 1914. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TIME BEFORE THAT?!?!

Mankind started in Africa. While it’s difficult to truly decide first forms of “humans”, the earliest forms were well over 2.5 million years old. If whites colonized africa only 131 years, what’s africa’s excuse for being diseased and poor ALL THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of years before that?!

AND what about the African countries that NEVER EVEN HAD colonization?! They are in the SAME situation as the rest of Africa!

A state actually banned IQ tests for blacks because so many were coming up with scores in the retarded range.

You look at almost every black neighborhood in almost ANY COUNTRY and see the same pattern of poverty, crime and despair!

You look at ALL 56 countries in Africa who, even having BY FAR the longest time to progress (since they are BY FAR the oldest race) and YET A GREAT BULK OF THEM ARE STILL IN SPEARS with average life expectancies in the 30’s and 40’s!

You have actual Magnetic Resonance Imaging PROVING blacks have an average of 5 cubic inches less cranial capacity than whites!!

FROM TEST SCORES, TO LOOKING AT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS TO LOOKING AT BLACK COUNTRIES TO AN ENTIRE BLACK CONTINENT TO ADVANCED BRAIN SCANS TO SHOW LOWER BRAIN CAPACITY

We’ll stop referring to Europe as a country when you tell your people to stop thinking that Africa is a country that is war torn and disease ridden without any reason other than the usual racist bullshit that has stuck for many years.

Indeed. What about the time before all of that? Whether you want to admit it or not, Africa had great civilizations, aside from Egypt, before the Europeans came, and then when they arrived it all went to hell. European imperialism has left behind chaos, destruction, disorder, and genocide in its wake. So, it’s safe to conclude that everywhere the white man’s gone, he created hell on Earth for non-whites while establishing heaven for his people and only his people. That is a fact, sir or madam.

You may not think that a century and several years isn’t enough time to cause devastation, and I’m no history expert, but I’m willing to bet that the diseases and poverty came with imperialism in order to make the European nations invested richer and more powerful. And anyone could tell you that if you have that much power, it can be abused. Whites have abused their power for so long. That’s why the Earth is in the state it’s in politically, mentally, economically and environmentally. Period.

At the end of the day, you WANT black people to be inferior. You and all other racist trolls want to put black people down to build your asses up. It’s the oldest trick in the book. It’s nothing more than cyber-bullying. And now, you’re coming apart at the seams because no one wants to take it in. You expect us to just say “Yes suh, massa!” to your racist statements and then smile about it. You’re crazy.

The bottom line is you’re trying to get us to be docile and accept your superiority complex which is going into meltdown. You are a human version of Chernobyl. You can’t take the fact that we, the inferior people, are wising up to your racism, and so, that hurts you intensely, doesn’t it?

The only one who’s really hurting about this is you. You have a problem. Maybe you should check your brain capacity and I.Q. if this is the best you can do.

You seem to be impressed about the european style of healthcare which is funny since guys like you fight it to the tooth and nail NOT to have such a system in USA. Guys like you have previously even on this blog stated that european healthcare system is communist, socialist and what ever.

So, on the other hand you think european healthcare system is magnificent but on the other hand it is communism and must not absolutely brought to the USA.

I guess that is how your thinking goes in other subjects too: Pushkin is not black because he is not american, where he would be black, because of the one drop rule. But he is not because he is russian and not american, so the rules are different on his case here.

*************************ATTENTION TO ALL**********************************

I am leaving this blog. I have made my points that prove the issue of black inferiority from EVERY discernible aspect.

I know after I leave, there will be the perfunctory denial and remonstration of my comments. But it doesn’t matter! BLACK INFERIORITY IS VERY TRUE AND CLEARLY UNQUESTIONABLE to those who are even the slightest bit honest.

One white who out-argued an entire room of blacks with ease.

I’m not here to brag but I’m SOOO tired of the DISGUSTING LIES AND NONSENSE spread in these rooms.

~PARTING WORDS TO BLACKS FROM A WHITE MAN:

Be adults for once and face the TRUTH: Your problem is not the white man it’s YOU! How can you grow if you always live in excuses and denial?!

-TAKE ALL THE ATTENTION about the “bad” white man, and your mindless preoccupation with singing, dancing, sex, basketball and other sports, and focus on MEANINGFUL THINGS! Interests that are reliable in MAKING MONEY

-When you see your kids loud and disruptive in public, instill a sense shame in them! It’s NOT OK. Make them learn it’s TRASHY.

-Have your children stay the HELL away from sports! It develops thinking in the muscles instead thinking in the brain!

-Make sure you have protected sex to avoid children out of wedlock. If you get someone pregnant and decide to keep the child, STAY IN THE CHILD’S LIFE!! It’s no longer about your wants and needs!! The child is helpless and therefore it’s needs come FIRST!!!

-Stop your non-stop preoccupation with sex. Stop the all day long “booty” watching, trading sex stories, working on your game to get more. Settle down with one good woman and focus on becoming successful

-Blacks aren’t critical of themselves! Consider the way you speak. Are you speaking mostly in slang or are you articulate? It’s pronounced “asked” not “axed”, “teeth” not “teef”. Stop caring about sounding “smooth” and start caring about sounding well-educated and professional.

-Act CLASSY! Shun trashy behavior!

-Stop bragging about being “tough and not putting up with people’s crap” and start caring about being clever. Intelligence over toughness!

-Associate with successful, business minded people! – Even in ghettos there are people who own local businesses. Attach yourself to them and pick their brain! Learn to think the way they do and model yourself after them.

-No matter who or what group you think is to blame (it really is you though), place blame on YOURSELF. This takes away your ability to sit around and hide behind all the reasons why you don’t think you can’t do something and puts pressure on you to figure the way you can! As Ghandi said, “be the change you wish to see in the world”

-Always measure your progress in life! Where is your life now vs 1 year ago, 3 years ago? 10? Are you at higher and higher levels of success or still pretty much where you were back then? It’s only when you measure your progress that you’re reminded to not get stuck spinning your wheels.

I’m leaving this Blog forever but I hope you actually pick up some very important points to progress. I don’t give a crap if it’s sounds preachy, YOU PEOPLE NEED THIS!

All you’ve proven are two things: (1) That you’re emotionally unstable and (2) you are a racist.

You haven’t out-argued anyone here. You just came in here ranting and raving about black people being inferior like how a typical racist would act. You just hate it when people, especially blacks disagree with you. And now, you act like a spoiled child not getting his way.

You clearly don’t know black people. Otherwise you wouldn’t assume that all we do is, as you say sing, dance, have sex, play basketball and other sports. You would know that we are not as you think we all are. But your mentality prevents you from seeing that. That is YOUR problem.

And if you think for one moment we would listen to a white man who calls us inferior, you are sadly mistaken. We would rather listen to a chalkboard screech than listen to you. All you’re doing is throwing your whiteness around like an expensive coat feeling it is your duty to tell us how to live our lives. You have no authority over us. None. That’s why you’re mad as hell and frustrated that we won’t listen to you. Boo-freakin-woo.

Then, like a typical white male that you are, you hate it take what we say as information. It’s okay for you to tell us what to do, but it’s a sin for us to tell you what to do.

So okay. Leave this blog forever, or until you get bored and feel the need to come back trollin. We’ve learned a lot from you, but we sure as hell won’t miss you.

Its been an alarming spectacle to watch (as so many other commentators have also observed) the gradual deterioration of a self-proclaimed superior species of being. I just loved your analogy with Chernobyl and melt down lol!!!

I think what The inconvenient truth, is personally experiencing can be explained by his non-acceptance and denial of these two inconvenient and un-reflective truths:

(1) Brothawolf

Whether you want to admit it or not, Africa had great civilizations, aside from Egypt, before the Europeans came, and then when they arrived it all went to hell. European imperialism has left behind chaos, destruction, disorder, and genocide in its wake. So, it’s safe to conclude that everywhere the white man’s gone, he created hell on Earth for non-whites while establishing heaven for his people and only his people. That is a fact, sir or madam.

You may not think that a century and several years isn’t enough time to cause devastation, and I’m no history expert, but I’m willing to bet that the diseases and poverty came with imperialism in order to make the European nations invested richer and more powerful. And anyone could tell you that if you have that much power, it can be abused. Whites have abused their power for so long. That’s why the Earth is in the state it’s in politically, mentally, economically and environmentally. Period.

(2) The inconvenient truth

~PARTING WORDS TO BLACKS FROM A WHITE MAN:

Be adults for once and face the TRUTH: Your problem is not the white man it’s YOU! How can you grow if you always live in excuses and denial?!

-TAKE ALL THE ATTENTION about the “bad” white man, and your mindless preoccupation with singing, dancing, sex, basketball and other sports, and focus on MEANINGFUL THINGS! Interests that are reliable in MAKING MONEY

@ The inconvenient truth,

As this debate continues (obviously not in your case!) so too does the decline of the very same system of economic, social and cultural order you praise so highly and admonish the majority of African-Americans (and Black people) for failing to be a part of. It began with the monetary system…The US monetary system by this time next year will have collapsed…. But not just the US system…The white European monetary system will also have imploded. Co-incidence? I don’t think so.

The inconvenient truth staring you in the face is that this whole global monetary system based on abuse, greed, exploitation, corruption, immoral and UN-ethical values is EXACTLY what has precipitated its demise,

This is really a question of your own Internal and External survival!!!. I only hope the lessons you sub-consciously take from your time at this blog produce a form of healing for your tired, weary, non-empathetic and compassion-less soul.

Why should anyone take your advice? It’s unsolicited and unwanted. You sound like a know-it-all just like the many racist posters that drop by here. You just need to be right because it’s ego-driven. Take your one-sided advice along with you. Goodbye or rather, good riddance.

Stop obsessing about other ethnicities and live your own life, respectfully, and in peace with people of all backgrounds. There is no one way to live and to suggest that white people meet those standards that you are proposing for Blacks is dishonest and malicious.

Focus on yourself and how you can make yourself a less sad human being.

You think that you can make us feel disheartened, hopeless, useless and downcast by painting a negative picture of us and by feeding us with icky mental objects like: IQ Test, black inferiority, telling us that our problem is not the white man but us, black racial slurs etc. Sorry man, you’re terribly wrong, your mission has failed!

Our ancestors were fed with those bullshit for centuries but one thing you forgot is that we’re now living in a new age ; and those craps are now becoming substandard!
Knowledge is Power , and we now have the key and the most powerful weapon which is education! We can write our history by ourselves, we can now express opposition and counterbalance your falsity; things that our ancestors couldn’t do.

In my opinion, i know the process is still very slow but wait and see in years to come how that castle is going to crash and keel over: that castle that was built by you whites with falsehood, concealment, wilful perversion of facts, activities that transgress moral or civil law, bad and dishonest management, the act of subjugating others (minorities) by cruelty, ill-treatment ; I could go on and on and on, but let me stop here because it is so disgusting listing your malefic nature and evilness ; on the other hand i’m sorry to say all these terrible things because i have some white friends, neighbours, collegues and acquaintances who are among the most lovely, friendly, adorable people on earth, who are not antagonistic and hostile to others just because of their race, ethnicity, religion etc; who feel ashame of what was and are still being done to innocent, helpless, honest, powerless, guiltless, defenceless and less Privileged Blacks and other minorities, they dissociate and condemn those wrongful conduct, of cause i exclude them from the above list because they recognise we all as human who are worthy of reciprocal respect, kind and they show considerate regard for others. On the contrary; all what i listed apply to all those no-hoper like you ” Inconvenient Truth” who are proud of all the misconduct that were done by your ancestors and are still being done up till today, people like you who commit themselves in keeping those atrocious acts alive. Shame on you!

“I am leaving this blog. I have made my points that prove the issue of black inferiority from EVERY discernible aspect”

That statement clearly portrays your “Fragile White Ego Syndrome”
What did you expect? That we concur with you and your unwarranted and pathetic prevarications for Black people as a whole?
Maybe the IQ nonsense you were inculcated with made you come here , say false statements about us and expect us to give you a big round of applause and perhaps a Gold Medal!
How’re you feeling right now? Does it hurt? Aaaaaaahhhhhh, aaaaaah,ahhh,ahh
Don’t worry, we won’t miss you, we won’t even notice your absence!

Ah one more thing, I like your pen- name ” INCONVENIENT TRUTH”! Well chosen.
But don’t you think it is high time for you to start accepting the inconvenient truths about life, even though sometimes they can be bitter, inconvenient and very difficult to accept or bear.
I advise you start sorrounding yourself with people who tell you the truth and not what you want to hear in order for you to feel better about yourself,
It is not advisable at all because in the end, you end up believing it; and when you get in touch with reality, you realize (if you’re intelligent and coherent) that you’ve been fed and nurtured with prevarications.It might be too late by then, and you’re likely to fall into depression. But don’t worry it is never too late! Sometimes, all what you need in life is determination and good will.

Unethical people adapt like snakes, so greed will keep the monetary system afloat beyond next year.

But, I still liked what you said and it deserves to be re-posted:

“It began with the monetary system…The US monetary system by this time next year will have collapsed…. But not just the US system…The white European monetary system will also have imploded. Co-incidence? I don’t think so.

The inconvenient truth staring you in the face is that this whole global monetary system based on abuse, greed, exploitation, corruption, immoral and UN-ethical values is EXACTLY what has precipitated its demise,”

1.Ask them about reparations. Less important than whether they agree is how important they think the lives of black people are in comparison to whites.
2.Ask them what percentage of white people they think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

What about this for number three? Ask them if it were possible to come back in another life, would they come back as black”

I can not speak for everyone but personally, I won’t hesitate to choose to come back in another life as black because I cannot imagine my skin being different from how it is, I’m proud of my race and I can’t betray it. I like the contrast and background that my skin creates whenever i put on anything! And I know lots of people who would make the same choice.
Unfortunately sometimes we human can be very vulnerable, conquerable and easily manipilated emotionally; right from our childhood we’ve been made by unscrupulous and evil men on earth to think (believe) that one race is better than the other. If everything on earth were equal, i think there might probably be no single human being on earth who despise and deny their own race.

You might have heard most blacks saying that if it were possible to come back in another life, they wouldn’t come back as black, the reason is as simple as A,B,C,D it is because; who doesn’t want to stay in a COMFORT ZONE? I think nobody.
If 99% (I’m being generous here) of whites were black and forced to go through what Blacks are going through on a daily basis, i think there would have been lots of suicide day by day!

I came across this Blog a while ago and I really liked it; I liked the delicate, controversial and sometimes sensitive topics which make you reflect.
Another amazing thing about this blog that i liked was some of the commenters, honestly most of them made me proud.
I like the way most commenters debate; they present intelligent and clued-up reasons and arguments, they also layout facts that logically justifies some premise or conclusion.

Thanks to the owner of this blog, keep up the good job!

As for people like “Inconvenient Truth” , people like me are open to civil and well-mannered debates. But don’t expect to come and tell us that the sky is always gray!
And when we object and say ” no, the sky is blue!” Sometimes it is gray due to pollution, fog or poor weather condition”. Then you get upset and disappointed and start using denigrating words , because you thought we were going to fall for it!

I have been taught by my parents to respect and see people as individuals, and i expect people like him/her “Inconvenient Truth” to do likewise.

1.Ask them about reparations. Less important than whether they agree is how important they think the lives of black people are in comparison to whites.
2.Ask them what percentage of white people they think are racist. Subtract that from 100 to get a rough measure of their own racism (a score of 100 means they are completely racist).

What about this for number three? Ask them if it were possible to come back in another life, would they come back as black”

I can not speak for everyone but personally, I won’t hesitate to choose to come back in another life as black because I cannot imagine my skin being different from how it is, I’m proud of my race and I can’t betray it. I like the contrast and background that my skin creates whenever i put on anything! And I know lots of people who would make the same choice.
Unfortunately sometimes we human can be very vulnerable, conquerable and easily manipilated emotionally; right from our childhood we’ve been made by unscrupulous and evil men on earth to think (believe) that one race is better than the other. If everything on earth were equal, i think there might probably be no single human being on earth who despise and deny their own race.

You might have heard most blacks saying that if it were possible to come back in another life, they wouldn’t come back as black, the reason is as simple as A,B,C,D it is because; who doesn’t want to stay in a COMFORT ZONE? I think nobody.
If 99% (I’m being generous here) of whites were black and forced to go through what Blacks are going through on a daily basis, i think there would have been lots of suicide day by day!

My deepest apologies for not answering sooner, Bell. Please forgive me. Anyway, you’re on to something regarding number three. I feel the truth of the matter is most white people wouldn’t come back as black. They know deep down black people have been through so much crap, but they sure as hell won’t admit it. They will fight until their last breath with perpetuating lies/untruths about black people. Why? So they can keep up this facade that blacks are their own worst enemy.

Now since I’m Asian, I would come back as Asian because that’s all I know. However, if I had to make a decision between coming back as black or white, hands down, I’d rather be black. Thanks to my mother guidance, I knew what the real deal was even when I was a child. I didn’t grow up with all the nonsense that black people were bad. I know as people, blacks have endured so much and yet, they’ve retained much courage, strength, and resilience. Now that’s something to be damn proud of. I know I would.

Hello, I am a White nationalist. The survival of the White race is the most important thing to me. I believe the White race is God’s true chosen people; only White people have souls. Non-whites are part of the pre-adam creation. They are soulless animals.

“White racism remains a problem on this planet, because, they don’t wanna give up the power and wealth they’ve gained as a result of slavery and imperialism…Bottomline!”

That sums it up.

Oh my god you guys are stupid. I just gained so much as an indevigual from slavery 300 years ago. Get a life. What you guys are obviously too stupid to understand is how you’re being racist against white people throughout this whole article.

When you are in a class with them and anyone points out a characteristic that is positive about POC (i.e. Hispanics have staunch family values, black girls can have a positive experiences in k-12 with bonding with other black girls (not that Mean Girls crap), black men who attend HBCs make higher salaries, some Asian women of particular ethnic groups are great Tiger Moms),they (whites), especially white women, say “everyone is like that. . .i don’t see how that is special”.

@Noyb
Wow, you just used one of the very arguments that abagond showed as a sign of racism. Impressive, you managed to fail at actually reading the post and just spewed out a comment that did little more than provide an example of what he was talking about. Next time you want to comment on how racist abagond is to white people, try actually reading what he’s typed first.

“Oh my god you guys are stupid. I just gained so much as an indevigual from slavery 300 years ago. Get a life. What you guys are obviously too stupid to understand is how you’re being racist against white people throughout this whole article.”

I have been sitting here trying to type a reply to your ignorance…but I am laughing to hard…so I will come back later.

Forgot to mention I’m on the East Coast, so White racists are easier to spot IMO…Down South, White ppl don’t hide behind a shroud (a hood sometimes)…meaning they will tell you to your face if they hate you. Being a East Coaster all my life, I’ve learned to analyze people closely…Odd, awkward and strange behaviors are a dead giveaway.

White people are so pathetic. I am so over them. Like a previous commenter said, whites are okay so long as blacks are “making it rain on them hoes” or killing each other. Smh. Black Love is too much to handle because gee…it does NOT involve them. Yet, we were/are bombarded with dramas and romantic comedies displaying white love for what 50+ years now. Ugh I want to leave America already.

How to tell if a black person is racist? I don’t get it to be honest. A black man is allowed to call a white person, ‘hockeye’, ‘cracker’, ‘white-boy’…but if a white person as much as orders a ‘Negroni’ at a bar, attended to by a black bar-tender, he/she is deemed racist? Also, how is it that black people are allowed to abuse me (a south asian) for my race, but I dare not say anything untoward in reply, even if I’m an even smaller ethnic minority.

ITS JUST A DAMN SHAME, THAT RACISM IS STILL AROUND,IT IS 2012,WHEN WILL IT STOP?HOW CAN WE TALK..ABOUT STOPING BULLYING IN OUR CHILDS SCHOOLS,WHEN WE CANT EVEN STOP RACISM IN OUR OWN BACK YARD.WHAT OUR WE TEACHING OUR KIDS? ITS JUST A DAMN SHAME!!GOD BLESS US ALL.

I have a problem as per the second quick andd dirty test. I believe that 100 percent of white people are racist, that’s 100 percent subtracted by 100, which leaves my individual self without a racist bone in my body. A zero in the field of racism, however, as a white male, if 100 percent of my race are in fact bigoted, then how am I not racist? the only possible conclusion is that I am, in fact, not very white. It’s cool, I know that test was more tongue in cheek and you will have to excuse me, I just found out that I’m black

What does anything you said have to do with black people as a whole? I mean seriously you want to blame the whole race on some blacks that may or may not pick on you. Do you want to blame blacks for you bad grades or your wife being angry at you too?

1. Yes, that’s racist.
2. Yes, unless they are merely acknowledging statistics (for example, black people are more likely to be in prison and to score lower on certain tests than white people are).
3. Yes.
4. None of these are really racist; they’re just ignorant at worst and, well, correct at best.
5. No. Again, the worst it can be is ignorant. Well? Why is it still a big deal?
6. Generally yes, though there are good arguments that racism is overplayed on both sides of the equation.
7. Yes.
8. Absolutely not. There are many good arguments against affirmative action, reparations, etc., many of which posit that those programs are themselves racist against blacks. (Regardless of any practical benefits, for example, affirmative actions tells blacks that they are inferior, need special help, and are nothing more than their race.)
9. Yes.
10. Generally not; this is an argument used all the time by people of all races.
1. You misunderstand many people’s distaste for reparations. Obama’s summarized it quite nicely (and yes, he is black. I suppose you think he’s betraying “his own people”…).
2. This last part destroys any chance I have of taking this article seriously. It’s just anti-white, pure and simple. There’s no way to win.

Abagond, if you are not a racist yourself, I don’t know what else to call you.

some of these signs are dead wrong. Eg. I’m white and I think 70percent of white people are racist. I’m not racist and none of my family/ friends are but if u look at society and culture as a whole, racism hasn’t disappeared. Its just been swept under the rug.

99.9% of white people don’t think they are racist. That’s because they are blind to their racism.

They live in a world that doesn’t tell them to admit or own up to their racism, that’s why they don’t think they are racist, if anything they try to hide and cover up their racism.

White people first reaction is to get defensive, when someone accuses them of being a racist.

White people still believe that racism is when a white person, burns a cross on a black persons front yard or a black person being a slave.

White people never think of racism in today’s society, only 300 years ago, that’s why whenever you hear white people Rant about black people, when we point out racism, they alaways make this comment, ” slavery was 300 years Ago, black people need to just get over it” as if black people are always talking about slavery, when we are pointing out discrimination, oppression and inequality in today’s white supremast society.

Just like 99.9% of white people, they always say the very thing, you just said, ” I’m not racist” yet think racist things about black people and other people of color.

White people always get to clear themselves of everything, unlike us black people, we are lazy, evil criminals that inferior to white people in every way, despite us crying out that all of us don’t fit this stereotype, we are all put into the pot and mixed together.

So when a white person says ” they’re not racist” why do we as black people have to except what they say as truth, yet we are not given the same curtesy when we proclaim, we are not your stereotypes?

There is more I expect from a white person, than simply uttering those words, speak up, when you see injustices against a black person or other people of color. Don’t just sit idle, when you see a white person, discriminating against a minority or laugh at a racist joke or don’t say anything if someone says something racist. I see so many instances of white people looking the other way, when they see a black person, getting discriminated against.

Go on YouTube and type ” wwyd black racism” and watch 99.9% of white people, do nothing as a black woman is being racially descriminated against, because of her race in the staged show that the white people think is real and they do nothing to speak up, when they see a racist security guard and racist store clerk, treat her like a criminal for no reason, other than the color of her skin.

@Palms and Andria
So it is okay for a White person to discriminate against a Black person because they are Black? I guess you see nothing wrong with that!

I am not anti White.
I just hate it when people feel that they are better than Black people and treat my people like dirt.
I hate racism against other minorities as well.
When Whites become minorities and start to face discrimination,which will happen one day, then I will talk about discrimination between Whites.

As for now, they are the privileged ones and aren’t discriminated against in this society or culture.

I dunno if you read it, but I wrote a comment in the post “White Proverbs” where I ran into a white woman in a chat room who made all kinds of comments you would hear in the broken record department. Basically, she portrayed white people as better than black people like Jared Taylor and the “race realist” gang that would spring up like weeds in blogs like this. Their whole position is that white people are better than black people, and none of them would understand why black people would be offended by such thinking.

Anyway, I was treated lower than dirt. Even though it was just a chat room and not real life, the things I’ve read from her and her like-minded friend was predictable, yet painful nonetheless. I told her how I was offended, and she claims she doesn’t know why. This makes me believe that some whites think they are better than Jesus and can not possibly do anything wrong.

i’ve seen that show called what would you do. i saw that episode where they did a scenario where a group of white kids were spray painting a car and the people were just walking by.There was even one guy who was joking with them and saying its fine just don’t paint my car.Then they did the same thing this time they used black actors spray painting a car and all the people were stopping and calling 911.One person even called 911 on some black boys sleeping in a car that had nothing to do with the ones spray painting the car.Whites won’t see that as racist and the comments on that vid was that its because the blacks were dressed more thuggish than the whites.Then there was an episode where a white woman was stealing a bike and all the people were trying to help her.Then when they did it with a black guy stealing the bike people were calling 911 and trying to confront him,only 1 person tried to help him thinkin it was his bike.Those same people were just saying well i would have acted the same way regardless of race.

This is why i never engage in a conversation about racism, with most white people, they never come with the mindset, wanting to learn from my experiences as a black man. They stay in their, “white mindset” and won’t allow me to, teleport them into my world.

I’ll know within minutes, what type of white person i am dealing with, when they answer a couple, key questions:

Do you think, racism against blacks, still exists today and effects black people’s lives?

Do you think, affirmative action is reverse racism, against whites?

Do you think, America’s Criminal Justice System Discriminates Against Blacks and other Minorities?

The answers of just these three questions, will tell me all i need to know about how a white person, thinks.

I will only talk to certain white folks, that actually want to open a intellectual, dialog about racism in America. They should question me but not challenge me to a “duel” of sorts and its about me telling them about my experience as a black man and not them, telling me about my experiences and how to interpret them.

I won’t be nice about it, i won’t sugar coat anything, i won’t leave them with a feel good, kumbaya speech at the end. I will make sure that they are uncomfortable as i am, when i experience racism.

I DON’T want them to forget, such a conversation, i want it to be burned into their, conscious and unconscious mind.

When you baby white people about the reality of racism in your life as a black person, you’re doing yourself and them a disservice. ( smiling or saying things in a humorous way as to put them at ease ) Whites always want to end, discussions of race one a “happy note”, i say don’t give it to them.

Being nice to white people as a way to change their hearts have been tried over and over again, its proven to not have an effect on how they think of and treat, black people. why should we present discussions of race in a nice way, when they present, acts of racism in disrespectful,rude, and degrading ways?

Racism is a serious matter and we as black people and other people of color, need to be serious, when talking to white people about it, ( this doesn’t mean yelling or cussing or being intimidating ) just being firm and having a conviction about what you’re saying ) otherwise they will walk away with a half-baked, lukewarm version of your experience and say to themselves and you, “things will work themselves out, eventually.”

Hell no, they need to know, its starts with them and how they treat blacks and other people of color and not think they don’t have any control of racism.

These white people are few and far in between, which leaves me to not even bother, when they all too often, ask us as black people, “Do you care to dance?”, at which time, i simply reply by saying, “no thank you, i don’t dance with the devil” * walks away with a devilish grin…..

Make no mistake about it, this is what the majority of white people, want when they attempt to talk to you about race on this blog, (not in person of corse, that would mean, they actually would have to look you in the eye and say all those, racially insensitive things to your face. ) They just want to dance!

Yeah! I watched those very same, episodes. Did you watch the one, with the black woman in the clothing boutique, the white sales woman and security guard are actors and pretend to discriminate against her with overt harassment in front of all the customers, most of the white people didn’t say anything and didn’t come to her defense.

There was a white couple, looking on the whole time, when the white sales lady walked over to them, trying to bait them to see if they would agree with her, blatant racism, the white guy that was with her girlfriend, said to the white sales lady, “she was playing the black card, huh? then he switched up his story when, john quinones comes out with the cameras. I was was like…. -_-

I think only one white woman, was so upset about what was happening to the black women, she started crying. ( white women’s tears )

yes i saw that episode and only maybe 2 women walked out of the store with her in protest.Everyone else was just looking and shopping.Its places like that,that i will avoid,just imagine if a crime was happening those would be the people that will not call 911.That is why the cops tell people to yell fire if they are being assaulted because unfortunately some people won’t respond to a simple help me.selfish sobs.

I live in texas and its alot of backwards whites here.They will say some crazy stuff about Obama and say blacks voted because he black yet they also admit to voting for incompetent candidates like rick perry just because of their parents voting for him.this fool has been governor since i was 6.

This woman and her “friend” struck the first blow by talking about how black people feel they are entitled to special treatment. That was a microaggression that started with me, and I felt I had to say something even though I could’ve just logged off. From there, it was like 9-11 in slow motion.

I hear ya, sometimes its difficult to hold back, when whites say the most racist, things.

To white people, treating black people equal, means “special treatment’, so their saying, we shouldn’t be treated equally, to begin with, so when and if we are ever, getting equal treatment, we are getting, “special treatment”. we can never win in America.

Lets take, affirmative action for instance ( which is a joke and isn’t enforced and benefits, white women more than black people and other people of color ) To them, this law that was passed to, “even the playing field” so to speak, is special treatment.

Like i said…i don’t waste my breath, the only time they want to talk about racism with a black person or other person of color is over a blog or chat room, never in person. So i don’t take them seriously.

Holy isht. This is the dumbest post I’ve read in a while. There is a difference in supremecy and racism. Also reparations? That’s your test? My Japanese family received it like it was hush money so I think it’s completely morally unethical to take them. Secondly, being proud of your heritage doesn’t make you a racist. This post is so infuriating. I hate that the Internet has allowed rampant ignorance and hatred. Especially since I found this post looking up information about Rosa Parks.

I will reiterate; When their lips, mouths or cake holes are moving. Even the ones who emphasize with you, slip up now and then under the guise of joking more often than not. A non racist white is an oxymoron! The need to feel like a decent human being supercedes any introspection which, ironically would aid them in being more ‘decent’ and humane. They don’t realize this for the most part. Like an alcoholic or dope fiend, they have to admit to their racism in order to diminish its’ effect. I am not into this ‘New Age’ healing bulls**t, but one must admit to an being an alcoholic/racist in order to become better. They for the most part don’t. They will always remain an alcoholic but they will be in recovery because they have gained some insight into the underlying causes. So it goes for the racist also.

@Sondis and BrothaWolf
They will never understand your experiences as a Black man in this country nor will they understand my experience as a young, Black woman.

I have had this White wigger in my class think that I am an angry Black woman because I hate the way he acts and because he is so annoying. This guy acts like he knows everything about our Black culture and I feel like this guy is mocking my culture and it deeply upsets me. He acts Black and listen to the current Rap CRap music on the radio. Is he racist or just ignorant? Or both.

@Herenith
Not all Whites are racist but in the small town that I live in, most of them are very racist or feel Whites are better than Blacks.

There are some very nice, non racist Whites too.

I feel like my town, NOcala(nickname for Ocala) is backwards with people who think like they are still in the Civil War. I want to move out of that town this summer because it isn’t good for a young, Black woman to be in a town like NOcala. I am turning 18 this year. Seems like a good idea, right? I am originally from New York too and I saw racism in New York too but not on the scale that I have seen in NOcala.

Just ignore the wigger and pretty much any white person, that you don’t need to interact with.

They are so self absorbed and conceited, thinking everything is about them, when you, ( specially a black person ) ignores them, they get upset.

They can’t stand the fact, that you as a black person, don’t need or want their approval.

The wigger, is doing this on purpose, he actually wants your, “Negro seal approval” so he can put the finishing touches on his, wigger routine and come off as a white boy, that not only acts black but has been, accepted into black culture by associating with a black girl in his class.

I won’t put it past him, that he might even have a “negro girl crush” on you and is “curious” what it would be like to, “do it” with a black girl. That may explain why, he’s “acting black”, trying to get your attention.

This is also common among white people, they hate us but when it comes to sex, they want us so damn bad. Sick people….

@Sondis
Well said. I am glad that you realize because I am still young and I am still trying to understand how people interact.
I didn’t know any of this at all.

I just want to do be and become an author/journalist. I want to help the Black community especially young, Black males. Sad to say but I don’t see many Black men in my age group or generation like you.
Many of them are weak minded, don’t want to get an education and self hating and say that they don’t want to date Black girls. This Black guy that I USED TO like rejected me because he said that he doesn’t like Black girls and prefers White girls. Right now he is going out with a Hispanic girl in my English class.

As I look back, I am so glad that I am not going out with a weak minded self hating guy like that guy!

I hope I don’t offend you because I love my Black men but I hate behaviors of coonery and buffoonery from Black men and Black women.

I’m not offended by your statement, you need to understand, that all black people have been conditioned to hate ourselves. I have come to understand this, therefore i don’t take it personal, when black people hate on each other.

Black people, hating themselves and other blacks, is a behavior that can be unlearned by simply, educating yourself or coming across someone that educates you.

I say this, don’t hate those black people, feel sorry for them and if possible, pass on as much you learned to them, so they feel some self worth.

Black people have been in a disposition for so long, we survive the only way we know how, by all means necessary, even if that means the betrayal of a brother or a sister.

This is what white people had in mind, when they sought out to break us as a people and its worked for the most part.

We have to start from humble beginnings, with ourselves and not others that we find to be, broken. Once we unlearn all the self hate in ourselves, then we can begin to attempt to save our brothers and sisters.

@Adeen: In addition to what Sondis said. I can’t stress enough how important an education is. Learn everything about your culture and your people on your own. You can’t depend on the school system to educate you about African American culture and African history. I myself am learning myself. But read as many books as you can about black history. We have to educate ourselves. There is alot of information to digest. But you will be the better for it.

@,Mary Burrell and Sondis
You guys are right. I would love to know where my ancestors came from and the history and my culture.

I have been learning Caribbean history lately because my family is from Jamaica and both of my parents were born in Jamaica. However I was born in New York.I am one of the few American born people in my family that has been ”Americanized”.
The African American history is just as important to me though.

I always say that some white people can not seem to love themselves without putting down nonwhites. It’s a shame really that they are no different than the run-of-the-mill bully.

Many whites can not stand to self-reflect. Many think they are as good as, or better than, Jesus and anyone who disagrees with them is beneath them. It’s racial snobbery at its worst.

As for the black people hating themselves, it’s honestly frustrating to see it happening before your eyes. Yes, there are reasons behind it that point directly to white racism, but sometimes I feel that there is a crisis where some of us wish to be white to escape the discrimination and hatred that comes from having black skin in a white racist world.

Those black people are either programmed or mentally exhausted of having barrier after barrier handed to them. They think that being white is almost like being in heaven. That is sad to have to think and feel that way. Their hatred of themselves and black people is so strong you can see it even when they don’t exhibit any symptoms.

It’s hard as hell to love yourself in a world that tells you that you are no good and worthless at every turn especially in an integrated yet segregated society such as the U.S. People need as much support as possible to break free from this. I personally think it has to start at an early age if you want to good start.

@Carmen
Yes I do believe that most White Americans are racist about 55-60% and I do agree with most of the information on this site. But there are some Whites who aren’t racist though and are good.

Don’t think I am ever defending White racism at all!
In fact, I am concerned for my little brother. All of his friends are White and they said that they don’t see the point of Black history month at all and that Whites need a White history month. Sad enough my little brother agreed with them.We have achieved so much in this country yet get so little credit! I felt so mad and upset because that is a big insult to the Civil Rights Movement and the struggle of Blacks in this country.

My little brother really needs to get in touch with his heritage and culture and realize the fight and struggle our race had to endure in this country and in this world. He needs to realize that he is not lesser than a White boy because of the color of his skin.

Another one: they use the race or perceived-race of a person as part of their NAME or their usual description of the person. Here’s an example of things New Yorkers say on a regular basis and they insist it’s not racist: “He’s my Jewish friend.” Or “the (—insert race here—-) teacher.”

what a bunch o crap. Blacks should be grateful that they live in America where they can prosper if they can apply themselves. They had to be dragged here, as their ancestors were sure not gonna pilgrimize. Get over it already and climb on up the heap. Get yourself a job driving a truckload of stringbeans to Utah. Make something out yourself other than a whiny, self absorbed pseudo-intellectual.

How do you know if a black person is racist? Black people are a bunch of fucking hypocrites acting as if their racism is justified and white racism isn’t. I thought black people fought for equality not to be treated extra special.

Are there white people that are racist? Yes. There are racists in every race. There’s racism within races. To say all whites are racist is illogical. All poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles. Some dogs are poodles. Some whites, etc. are racist. Not all dogs are poodles. Not all racists are white. Of course racism still exists and will continue until all people are willing to see that people in different colors are fellow human beings. The world is like a box of crayons. No color is better than another.

“99.9% of white people don’t think they are racist. That’s because they are blind to their racism”
Or probably because they aren’t actually racist maybe? Where exactly did you get the information to even guess that. That is the wild generlaizations that we blacks are fighting.

“White people first reaction is to get defensive”
Because that’s a horrible thing to accuse someone you don’t even know of because of there race.

“why do we as black people have to except what they say as truth”
Because it’s no one else’s place to tel others who they are.

Most of these comments are laced with racism towards whites and presumptions that they are all racists. It doesn’t take power, or even hate to be racist so why is it ok to be racist towards whites and how are you all not being racist to them? Because they are privileged? That’s BS to me. It doesn’t take power to be ignorant or think ill of someone

If we want to treat be treated equally we have to treat them equally as well and head the words of MLK

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

If blacks really were less intelligent on average than whites, would it still be considered racism to acknowledge that truth? Wouldn’t the real racism be to deny a scientific truth for the sake of political expediency, or to protect the self esteem of a demographic who in reality knows that they are not as bright as some other ethnic groups.

Hi Eric Orlander, with the Swedish name. I do think there was a time that American’s use to say dumb as a Swedish meatball. Thinking that Swedes were less intelligent. For every period I guess there is a time that someone will think people from a certain geographical spot is dumb. However, I think that intelligence is selective what might be consider as intelligent to one group might be considered dumber than, do I dare say it, a meatball.
Please, oh please, ask a more intelligent question or it might reflect on those with Swedish surnames. I do speak Swedish and have lots of fun with the language and have lots of Swedish friends.

However, I should also point out many people around the world think Americans are dumber than pig poop. Which I have to say I often let them know many of us are not. Is it fair to rate a country by the yahoos that go out of it? Or even by those international statistics. Oh, I have also heard that Americans are loud, lack manners, are violent in nature, and are bossy. Since people tend to forget that I am American I also get to hear what they really think of us and let me tell you, it isn’t pretty.

“The Daleks are a powerful race bent on universal conquest and domination, utterly without pity, compassion or remorse. Various storylines portray them as having had every emotion removed except hate, leaving them with a desire to purge the Universe of all non-Dalek life.”

Great…
So now we got the Borg, the Dalek AND Whiteness to contend with… smh

But according to King, black folks are doing alright where the Borg are concerned. Let’s hope so.

If blacks really were less intelligent on average than whites, would it still be considered racism to acknowledge that truth? Wouldn’t the real racism be to deny a scientific truth for the sake of political expediency, or to protect the self esteem of a demographic who in reality knows that they are not as bright as some other ethnic groups.

“If blacks really were less intelligent on average than whites, would it still be considered racism to acknowledge that truth? Wouldn’t the real racism be to deny a scientific truth for the sake of political expediency, or to protect the self esteem of a demographic who in reality knows that they are not as bright as some other ethnic groups.”

Yes, it is racism either way because in both cases the deep down belief is that some races have more intelligence than others and that is racism, whether it is supported by science or not.

In the early 1900s science SUPPORTED racism. Are you then prepared to say that white Mississippi in 1925, say, was NOT racist just because the current science backed them?

Some of these litmus test on how to spot a racist is pathetic. I will start with reparations. Apparently, if you do not agree with these, then you are instantly classed as a racist. It does not matter if you condemn slavery, that is not enough. But you expect people to be open to reparations for crimes against a race that happened many generations ago. How would you implement that? How would you decide the value that each receives? How would you make this fair? How much time would we have to invest to ascertain the scale of abuse that some slave ancestor endured?

This is more of a political argument than an individual’s racial stance. You have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise every single individual on the planet could make claims to reparations to past ancestors that suffered through wars, slavery and occupation.

Also, the other test for asking a person to scale 1 to 100 how racist their nation is. Whatever positive number you apply subtracts how racist that person is. Pathetic. This does not take into account ignorance or how well “not” informed a person is. I could be a ultra racist and proud, and deliriously think my fellow race is 100% racist. But that in turn would make me 0% racist. Perhaps this is tongue-in-cheek, however people will lap this up.

Reading every single post in this old thread, I can see rampant double standards. Racism against Whites. How many times have I read: “How to tell a White person is racist? Their mouths are moving”. So much hatred and anger, that you have clouded your own view and do not see what you are doing is just the same as being racist.

There has been no actual attempt at debate, this is just a black only group whereby you can share experiences on how to get the upperhand, shoot down anyone who tries to engage in debate and deem that as racists on the spot for daring to disagree with some of your ill-informed points. Maybe this is to make you feel better about how racist you really are.

“Reading every single post in this old thread, I can see rampant double standards. “—This statement alone proves you did not read every single thread. Word of advice. If you want to be listened to and remotely taken seriously…don’t start off your first comment with a lie or just plain ignorance.

Well, to start with, you are accusing me of being a liar. I did infact read the whole thread, otherwise there would be no point in making that statement would there? I may as well have cut to the chase and left that out if I didn’t read all the posts in this thread.

So, you have started your reply with a judgemental statement about myself, even though we have never spoken before. This is the type of behaviour I am referring to. You are not interested in debate, rather you just want to belittle any attempt from people who are asking genuine questions. The debate on race has two sides, not just your own vile opinion.

Again, further belittlement, rather than engage me on this discussion, you would rather dismiss me offhand. How very enlightened.

At least Abagond has taken the time to answer some of my points and ask me some questions, which I will try to answer.

You said:

Those were both “quick-and-dirty tests”. That means they would give a quick, rough idea, not that they prove anything in themselves. For that you would have to talk to the person further.

I gathered that was the case. However, I have seen people take this to heart and actually measure a person’s racism using this method. I have seen this used in imdb threads, and the individuals were very serious that this proved racism.

Also,

Merely disagreeing does not make you a racist – it is WHY.

Do you think I am racist? Why or why not. Please be specific. I gave very specific examples, while all you do is spray the word “racist” at everyone. Not constructive, even if it makes YOU feel good.

Well, since the term racist has been branded around quite a lot in this thread, I thought I would point the finger at those unwilling to engage in debate, and instead, act racists themselves. No, it does not give me any emotion whatsoever, I am just calling it how I see it.

Do I think you are racist? Well, you have conducted yourself well and not resorted to name calling. However, you have stated in some posts that you are, so I will take your word for it.

“Well, to start with, you are accusing me of being a liar. I did infact read the whole thread, otherwise there would be no point in making that statement would there?”—I don’t have to accuse when your comment alone is proving just that for me. You claimed to read every single post and are now claiming to have read the whole thread. Please lets not play word games here because it can quickly become embarrassing for you and an insult to me.

Secondly, had you read every single post as you claim then you know that many of the post I made do not engage in double standards. Most if not all actually engage in disputing racist mindsets that the actual “racist” whites on here have engaged in, so my posts alone pretty much disputes what you have said in regards to double standards. Heck if it helps then you can view other threads that continuously proves this as well.

Thirdly, since when did one or maybe two sentence equal belittlement? I could have easily belittled you but instead gave you advice which you have taken offense to, so maybe it is you with the issues and not me. *shrugs*

“This is the type of behaviour I am referring to. You are not interested in debate, rather you just want to belittle any attempt from people who are asking genuine questions”—You never asked questions. Just wrote a paragraph full of your opinions. Let me know when you want to get serious and I will proceed to treat you as someone who deserves it rather just earns it because they should.

“The debate on race has two sides, not just your own vile opinion.”—I am sure this is just more proof of you not reading every single post. You don’t even know my opinion. Yet you assume that it is one thing based on what? Oh because I said two sentences to you that was not up to your liking. ..LOL

“At least Abagond has taken the time to answer some of my points and ask me some questions, which I will try to answer.”—You didn’t make a point just an assumption that began with a lie. You also did not ask questions. Just again some assumptions of what everyone in here thinks based on the continued lie that you read every post.

I guess I am still foolishly hoping to have an honest conversation with whites who actually care to understand. I mean is that too much to ask? It is always the same dialog. “I am going to tell you how it it.” “You are racist if your comment is anything less than kissing my azz.” The few whites that are interested are few in numbers, but very nice to hear from. Usually from another country through (not a bad thing)

Ok, if you would like an honest conversation then that is not too much to ask. I will gladly converse with you if we can put aside the hostility. Maybe my approach was wrong, and surely you are going to distrust a white person coming onto these boards with unknown motives.

It is actually Django unchained which brought me here. I often frequent the IMDB boards and there was a topic on racism. Somebody had a sure fire way of spotting racists – “Ask a white person what they think is the percentage of white americans who are racist”. I found their explanation ridiculous. They had a link to this website and until today I didn’t know it existed.

Anyway, contrary to opinion, I did infact read all the posts in this thread. Some posts I skimmed through as they didn’t contribute to the nature of the thread.

Also, I am from England, so you might wonder why a White English person cares about racism in America. I was a little intrigued with this blog as I was engaged to a Black woman from Virginia a few years ago. Racism was never an issue between us. We both understood we were from different backgrounds and some things about each own race we might not fully appreciate, but that didn’t matter to us.

Sorry for deviating away from the topic at hand, but just a little background on me. You might suggest that just because I was in an interracial relationship, that doesn’t necessarily mean I am not racist. I won’t bore you with empty platitudes either. I am just interested in discussing some of the litmus tests on how to point out a racist.

“Ok, if you would like an honest conversation then that is not too much to ask. I will gladly converse with you if we can put aside the hostility.”–Thank you and I will respectfully converse with you.

“surely you are going to distrust a white person coming onto these boards with unknown motives.”—No. In the past I have simply put too much trust into them and as a result I was met with more bad than good, which is why I am beginning to change my approach or thoughts.

” I am from England, so you might wonder why a White English person cares about racism in America.”—No I don’t. The real question is why shouldn’t you? While it is big in America, it is still something that is and does affect the world over. People from all over the world comment on this blog and frankly I like hearing from them.

” You might suggest that just because I was in an interracial relationship, that doesn’t necessarily mean I am not racist”—sorry I am not the type to do that. Although it has been up for discussion I am still confused in regards to how a person who is willing to marry, have children with, and make a life with is racist. Others may do better at explaining this if you are interested.

” I am just interested in discussing some of the litmus tests on how to point out a racist”—Well when you figure it out let me know. I personally think there is no true way to tell if a person is racist other than to talk to them or get to know them on a much more personal level. And to be frank I don’t even think that works anymore. Racist have become very good at hiding their true colors these days. A few years back I saw a documentary on the new skin heads. They are no longer what they once were and are so heavily ingrained in society that they are much harder to spot.

I will be honest with you. There are some hardcore racist on this blog. Many of them as a result of dealing with racism for long periods of time in their life. Just don’t dismiss them. There experiences are valid and quite educational. Although my situation is different I take a lot from theirs.

Sorry it has taken time to reply to you, things have been hectic this past week.

I think intention is what makes a person racist, if they go out of their way to be adversarial then they will cause offence that cuts deep. Some people are more subtle than others since racism is becoming more and more a “no no”. Sometimes intentions can be misinterpreted and people end up tripping over their words.

I loved my ex more than anyone I have ever been with and I loved her family. I remember the first time I went to America I was warned about my ex’s father. I had literally been in the country for two minutes and my ex warned me that her father is racist against white people due to the experiences he endured through the civil rights period. You can imagine the pressure I was under.

Anyway, I met her Father, and the initial meeting was luke warm. Not due to my race, but typical father like behaviour. As we met more, we became more talkative and eventually had a drink together. I went out of my way to prove to him I was an exception and not somebody to hate. I didn’t have to do it, I could have stood on my own merits.

Not entirely sure what my whole point is, which doesn’t gel well with the flow of conversation, but it was my first experience of what it might feel like to be hated just because of the race I was born into. Don’t get me wrong, it does not mean I fully appreciate (or depreciate) what it truly feels like to be hated just because of what I was born into, but it gave me some tiny perspective.

By the way, I have been watching your exchange between the entire board and xPraetorius.

I don’t fully agree with his approach, he has some fair arguments, he does repeat himself a lot and does appear arrogant at times. Some condescending behaviour with praises (maybe he is genuine, who knows, but he seems to want to beat a dead horse so he is the victor) but I think he is misunderstood, He is determined, but making a big problem into a miniscule one is his one mistake.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling. I didn’t want to be rude and leave your post hanging. Take care x

“Sometimes intentions can be misinterpreted and people end up tripping over their words.”—That is true which is why I try to get to know the person just to determine what actions may just be misinterpretation and just plain ignorance. One situation would not deter me.

” I think he is misunderstood, He is determined, but making a big problem into a miniscule one is his one mistake.”—The individual is actually a group of people. At first I did feel he was just misunderstood and went about it the wrong way. I talked to him on his blog about it, but he became a massive hypocrite and frankly a manipulator. I have issues with both type of people as I prefer honesty and upfront dealings rather than someone of that nature. As I watch him unfold more I realized that is exactly what type of person he was and I did not feel the need to treat him in the nature I would others.

Do I think racism is a big problem? Yes. On both sides. It seems to appease one group, then has to castrate the other, there is no middle ground. In my native country England, racism is scorned, vilified. It is not tolerated. Your life will be ruined for appearing to be racist, being racist, or simply misunderstood. On the flip side, people don’t want to be tarred with the racist brush or have the racist card played on them. In turn, misdeeds from ethnic minorities are downplayed or ignored, as people are too scared to go that far in fear of being accused of being a racist.

I have a friend in the police force, and he was instructed to overlook misdeeds by ethnic minorities to avoid potential racial incidents. To a degree of course, minor misdeeds.

I don’t know whether this is the state in America, but in my country they have gone to extremes to avoid racism even if it means turning a blind eye.

So, we have gone from one extreme to another. Punish white people for crimes they have committed as they should, and avoid grey areas for ethnic minorities whereby they could be a potential claim of racism that could ruin someones life.

I agree, racism is still a big problem, there is no balance, there is some goodwill to stop it, but going about it the wrong way.

If someone plays the race card, it should be their burden to prove that they were the victim of racial abuse. However, authorities would rather avoid this sticky mess and just avoid the problem altogether, and either exonerate or compensate the person making the claim.

A former employee who was afro-carribean was sacked due to incompetence, and rightly so. He threatened to take my employer to court over racial grounds. My employer immediately backed down and settled out of court. My employer could have won in court, but they did not want to risk the bad publicity.

Do I want racial equality? Yes I do, and that means being punished for the same crimes as a consequence, not sweeping it under the rug to avoid scrutiny.

This is part of the reason people go to other extremes (in effect, you get reverse racism) and decide they hate everyone who is not white because of the unfairness. This probably fuels their already present hatred anyway, but just creates more right wing political parties. They should be focusing their hate on the system that allows this backward inequality.

Maybe one day Sharina, society will get it right, and treat all as equal, including good will and fair punishment.

In my native country England, racism is scorned, vilified. It is not tolerated…..On the flip side, people don’t want to be tarred with the racist brush or have the racist card played on them. In turn, misdeeds from ethnic minorities are downplayed or ignored, as people are too scared to go that far in fear of being accused of being a racist.

I am born and raised in the U.K too but really, is what you say above, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but? Yes, racism is scorned and villified and so it should be. I’m sure it is no surprise to you that the overt racism that flourished up until the 80’s has simply been submerged by individuals. People do not change overnight Gio, it takes generations for that to happen. Your comment suggest that ethnic minorities are ‘given a pass’ and ‘getting away with things’ without recourse simply BECAUSE they are not white. Besides your anecdotal examples, tell me what evidence you have that this is true?

I have a friend in the police force, and he was instructed to overlook misdeeds by ethnic minorities to avoid potential racial incidents. To a degree of course, minor misdeeds.

What would have been useful is for your friend in the police force to have been told that he shouldnt assume that ethnic minorities are up to no good by sheer definition of the fact that they are not white.

If someone plays the race card, it should be their burden to prove that they were the victim of racial abuse. However, authorities would rather avoid this sticky mess and just avoid the problem altogether, and either exonerate or compensate the person making the claim.

When you accuse someone of something then yes, the onus should be on the accuser to bring evidence to bear. Tell me, do you think it was right ok for Carol Thatcher to refer to Tsonga as “half-golliwog” and “the golliwog Frog and refuse to apologise because ‘she didnt mean it that way’ even though i’m sure she is smart enough to appreciate the connotations of the word golliwog?
What do you thing of the UKIP member of parliament who was accused of racism recently or, the many members of that party?

I wish these were isolated incidents, unfortuntately they are not. The only thing I will say here is that they appear to be people of a certain generation who were part of institutionalised educations/environments/employment. This is the legacy that the police have too unfortunately.

This is part of the reason people go to other extremes (in effect, you get reverse racism) and decide they hate everyone who is not white because of the unfairness. This probably fuels their already present hatred anyway, but just creates more right wing political parties. They should be focusing their hate on the system that allows this backward inequality.

Gio, this is a cop out and you know it. PoC the world over have been treated horrendously over many years, and (before anyone says it, I KNOW they are not the only ones but, for the purposes of this conversation)…. would they now be justified in going to extremes because people are attempting to re-dress the imbalance that has been prevalent for years? It is not the fault of PoC that some politicians are perceived to be ‘overcompensating’ – here you have guilt coming through because there wasnt a level playing field. When you are trying to ‘fix’ something, there will always be teething problems.

There is still a long way to go before things are properly fair and equitable but, a big part of change is admitting who you are and what your true stance is.

I apologize for the hostile reception. I forget at times that even when reading things people can have a misunderstanding or some confusion and I should not be quick to be rude.

“In turn, misdeeds from ethnic minorities are downplayed or ignored, as people are too scared to go that far in fear of being accused of being a racist.”—Being called a racist here is more along the lines of someone calling you a name. Only public celebrities end up losing out if called that and in most cases not much as they have a huge support system. White killers and gangs seem to be downplayed. White killers are mentally ill and black or brown killers are animals. Downplaying the wrongs just are not helping in anyway to fix the problems that it appears both our countries face. The way I see it is if someone does something wrong then put them in jail, but here it is always the blame game. A blame game that has allowed white Americans not to really face the issue of racism that is faced here and has not allowed them to view the issues of crime that they take part in.

“If someone plays the race card, it should be their burden to prove that they were the victim of racial abuse. “—In America that is how it works. Usually though the result is a slap on the wrist or thrown out of court even when proved. I personally hate when people play it because there are times when it simply is not.

“Do I want racial equality? Yes I do, and that means being punished for the same crimes as a consequence, not sweeping it under the rug to avoid scrutiny.”—Exactly!!!

“They should be focusing their hate on the system that allows this backward inequality.”—When I have brought this up to a white person I always get silence. I then see anger at the minorities that choose to band together and fight for the inequity they face. I never understood the anger at them for trying, yet would not try for themselves.

I pray that it will get it right someday, but the first thing that needs to happen is that there is a matter of owning up to the problems in our country. The downplaying has got to stop.

This is part of the reason people go to other extremes (in effect, you get reverse racism) and decide they hate everyone who is not white because of the unfairness. This probably fuels their already present hatred anyway, but just creates more right wing political parties. They should be focusing their hate on the system that allows this backward inequality.

Omnipresent said: Gio, this is a cop out and you know it. PoC the world over have been treated horrendously over many years, and (before anyone says it, I KNOW they are not the only ones but, for the purposes of this conversation)…. would they now be justified in going to extremes because people are attempting to re-dress the imbalance that has been prevalent for years? It is not the fault of PoC that some politicians are perceived to be ‘overcompensating’ – here you have guilt coming through because there wasnt a level playing field. When you are trying to ‘fix’ something, there will always be teething problems.

I misread your comment here but some of what I said still applies. It looks like you are saying that there is an active hatred from BP to WP. Hate everyone who is not white? Do you really think that? Why are you convinced that ALL black people are full of hatred towards whites in first place?

A former employee who was afro-carribean was sacked due to incompetence, and rightly so. He threatened to take my employer to court over racial grounds. My employer immediately backed down and settled out of court. My employer could have won in court, but they did not want to risk the bad publicity.

I overlooked this comment earlier as it was an example from your life however, now I have looked back over your statement above, let me ask you this. Do you refer to the Black people as Afro Caribbeans? I am just interested as it is not something I have EVER heard a white person in the UK do UNLESS it is in relation to some kind of census or something.

BTW, in your example above, the individual may well have been incompetent but, it does not mean that your ex colleague did not have any racially motivated incidents to raise either. When you are working in an organisation, bring in any kind of charge against an employer is something that has to be considered carefully and one of the downsides of it is that there is the possibilty that you will face some kind of dismissal anyway. Employers if they are smart, will find something tangible to make it stick or risk facing high profile penalties and heavy fines.

I think intention is what makes a person racist, if they go out of their way to be adversarial then they will cause offence that cuts deep.

I am guessing that what you mean is that a person must be consciously racist with intent to cause harm in order to actually BE racist. Is it possible to be racist without actually intending to be so? I can think of a few examples.
– Believing stereotypes – since people are flooded with them daily, they might actually believe them to be true, even if there is a racist undertone to it. The holder of the racist stereotype might not hold any adversarial intentions, yet still act and think in very racist ways. Are they not termed “racist” and should be called something else?
– Believing “truths” interpreted to them by others, for example, that God commanded that the races be separated or that one should be subjugated by the other
– only including material in history textbooks that put white people in a good light.
– Following their employer’s redlining practices that have a racist effect (even if the administer of the guidelines do not personally have adversarial intentions).

it was my first experience of what it might feel like to be hated just because of the race I was born into

All I can say is WOW! to experience that for the first time well into adulthood! I started experiencing some very bad things since 4 years old (maybe even earlier – can’t remember before then). Some scars don’t heal completely.

Despite the severe penalty for unintentionally going off topic, I will persist with those who have taken their time to respond. Abagond, I just think that was a little harsh and only serves to make the thread disjointed. If you could please restore my post minus the xPraetorious remarks I would appreciate it.

@ omnipresent

Omnipresent:

I misread your comment here but some of what I said still applies. It looks like you are saying that there is an active hatred from BP to WP. Hate everyone who is not white? Do you really think that? Why are you convinced that ALL black people are full of hatred towards whites in first place?

Maybe I was unclear. I was referring to white racism, not black on white racism.

Omnipresent:

A former employee who was afro-carribean was sacked due to incompetence, and rightly so. He threatened to take my employer to court over racial grounds. My employer immediately backed down and settled out of court. My employer could have won in court, but they did not want to risk the bad publicity.

I overlooked this comment earlier as it was an example from your life however, now I have looked back over your statement above, let me ask you this. Do you refer to the Black people as Afro Caribbeans? I am just interested as it is not something I have EVER heard a white person in the UK do UNLESS it is in relation to some kind of census or something.

No I don’t refer to all Black people as Afro Caribbeans. I knew for a fact that his family was from the Caribbean, maybe I was being a little too specific.

Omnipresent:

BTW, in your example above, the individual may well have been incompetent but, it does not mean that your ex colleague did not have any racially motivated incidents to raise either. When you are working in an organisation, bring in any kind of charge against an employer is something that has to be considered carefully and one of the downsides of it is that there is the possibilty that you will face some kind of dismissal anyway. Employers if they are smart, will find something tangible to make it stick or risk facing high profile penalties and heavy fines.

My employer had a water tight case for grounds of dismissal, which including offences such as logging incorrect times on their timesheet, claiming to have worked when they had not. Not a case of making a mistake, but repeating this offence several times. Also, they fradulently claimed expenses where there was none to be made. Also, their quality and commitment to work had suffered. Our company is very diverse, so it wasn’t a case of weeding out ethnic minority employees and finding an excuse to dismiss them. The same people who hired this black employee where the same people to dismiss him.

I hope I am not misunderstood. I probably sound like a company man, but I really hate that place 🙂

So, this former employee using the race card was an act of desperation to seek compensation.

I hope I am not misunderstood. I probably sound like a company man, but I really hate that place

Cheers for clarifying Gio. I still stand by what I said though – just because there were legitimate reasons for dismissal does not negate the fact that the employee might have experienced racism at some stage during employment. Regardless of what the reason for dismissal is, many employees bring counter claims – no-one wants it on their record that they were fired do they.

I have worked within local goverment in many of my jobs, in positions that afforded a certain level of trust. As you know, local government should uphold E&D commitment as much, if not more than most employers being that the money comes from the public purse. It is disgusting how ‘race’ still can and does motivate individuals to take action about things that they would excuse to a degree in others. I have too often heard the sentence starting ‘i’m not a racist but…’ when people are talking about things people have done.

Of course, in your example the reason to fire might well have been legitimate – this cant be discounted either. It is a shame if there wasnt any validity to the claim as it makes it difficult for those who do have legitimate worries to raise these things without WP saying ‘oh, X is playing the ‘race’ card’ too.

My apologies if my posts are hard to read when referring to previous posters, I am not familiar with the correct syntax for including quotations or italics. If somebody could please enlighten me then that would be much appreciated.

@ jefe

I am guessing that what you mean is that a person must be consciously racist with intent to cause harm in order to actually BE racist. Is it possible to be racist without actually intending to be so? I can think of a few examples.
– Believing stereotypes – since people are flooded with them daily, they might actually believe them to be true, even if there is a racist undertone to it. The holder of the racist stereotype might not hold any adversarial intentions, yet still act and think in very racist ways. Are they not termed “racist” and should be called something else?
– Believing “truths” interpreted to them by others, for example, that God commanded that the races be separated or that one should be subjugated by the other
– only including material in history textbooks that put white people in a good light.
– Following their employer’s redlining practices that have a racist effect (even if the administer of the guidelines do not personally have adversarial intentions).

it was my first experience of what it might feel like to be hated just because of the race I was born into

All I can say is WOW! to experience that for the first time well into adulthood! I started experiencing some very bad things since 4 years old (maybe even earlier – can’t remember before then). Some scars don’t heal completely.

Thank you for your post. Yes you are correct, I suppose it is a form of racial stereotyping. Perhaps not the venomous hatred we should be worried about. An example, what comes to mind is a middle aged white man meeting a black man/woman, calling them brotha or the n word and assuming they like rap/hip hop music and proceeded to give them the knuckle tap.

Yes, very stereotypical? Racist? Perhaps, it gets murky their. You can understand the white persons attempt to mistakenly make a good impression, when infact they are making huge assumptions.

When I have visited America, a lot of people I interacted with assumed I liked Cricket, drank tea all day, were surprised I had a good set of teeth and just generally assumed I lived in London, because that was the only place in England they could think of, off the top of their heads.

This was coming from both black and white people as well. I suppose someone could argue it was racisit, but I just saw it as a sweeping generalisation of where I came from. I was not offended, just surprised.

These were good people with good hearts, they just hadn’t really taken time to think before they spoke. So, I suppose you could call it ignorance.

As for experiencing racism in my adulthood. Yes, it was a big shock and it was a powerful feeling because this was coming from my ex’s Father, somebody important in her life. I couldn’t have cared if it was from some Joe on the street, water off a duck’s back. Just disheartening coming from her Father. However, her Father was big enough to look beyond his hatred of white people and accepted me as an individual and we eventually got on great. He even bought me a Christmas present 🙂

So, I can only empathize with people who go through racism on a daily basis, and for a child as young as 4 to experience that, then that is truly horrible, and just another reason I am so cynical of the human race.

I just hope due to barriers in language coming down, long distance communication (e.g. the internet) and the world as whole getting smaller and smaller, that future generations will shed this primitive hatred.

I hope I am not misunderstood. I probably sound like a company man, but I really hate that place

Cheers for clarifying Gio. I still stand by what I said though – just because there were legitimate reasons for dismissal does not negate the fact that the employee might have experienced racism at some stage during employment. Regardless of what the reason for dismissal is, many employees bring counter claims – no-one wants it on their record that they were fired do they.

I have worked within local goverment in many of my jobs, in positions that afforded a certain level of trust. As you know, local government should uphold E&D commitment as much, if not more than most employers being that the money comes from the public purse. It is disgusting how ‘race’ still can and does motivate individuals to take action about things that they would excuse to a degree in others. I have too often heard the sentence starting ‘i’m not a racist but…’ when people are talking about things people have done.

Of course, in your example the reason to fire might well have been legitimate – this cant be discounted either. It is a shame if there wasnt any validity to the claim as it makes it difficult for those who do have legitimate worries to raise these things without WP saying ‘oh, X is playing the ‘race’ card’ too.

@ omnipresent

I cannot speak for his experiences, I only know the reason he was sacked. I know quite a lot of incompetent people I work with, and perhaps they should also look at these people as well. If they did, we’d have no workforce. Lol.

However, there is zero tolerance to perceived theft. This employee was given the chance to justify his misdeeds, but the Company was not satisfied with his excuses.

I am going back ten years now when I was a young student working part time in a store. My mother was the Manageress. Lucky me eh, working with my mum. Her assistant Manager was a Pakistani woman. To cut a long story short, we deduced she was stealing money from the store’s takings. There were reams of evidence to justify dismissal. When my mother approached her regional manager on the subject, she was just told “to let it be and do nothing”. She was told they could not afford a potential racial claim in the courts. just ignore the problem and carry on as normal.

So, we had to pretend we have no thief in our midst and act like the thefts were in our imagination.

So the company had no backbone and excused misdeeds coming from ethnic minorities.

I apologize for the hostile reception. I forget at times that even when reading things people can have a misunderstanding or some confusion and I should not be quick to be rude.

“In turn, misdeeds from ethnic minorities are downplayed or ignored, as people are too scared to go that far in fear of being accused of being a racist.”—Being called a racist here is more along the lines of someone calling you a name. Only public celebrities end up losing out if called that and in most cases not much as they have a huge support system. White killers and gangs seem to be downplayed. White killers are mentally ill and black or brown killers are animals. Downplaying the wrongs just are not helping in anyway to fix the problems that it appears both our countries face. The way I see it is if someone does something wrong then put them in jail, but here it is always the blame game. A blame game that has allowed white Americans not to really face the issue of racism that is faced here and has not allowed them to view the issues of crime that they take part in.

“If someone plays the race card, it should be their burden to prove that they were the victim of racial abuse. “—In America that is how it works. Usually though the result is a slap on the wrist or thrown out of court even when proved. I personally hate when people play it because there are times when it simply is not.

“Do I want racial equality? Yes I do, and that means being punished for the same crimes as a consequence, not sweeping it under the rug to avoid scrutiny.”—Exactly!!!

“They should be focusing their hate on the system that allows this backward inequality.”—When I have brought this up to a white person I always get silence. I then see anger at the minorities that choose to band together and fight for the inequity they face. I never understood the anger at them for trying, yet would not try for themselves.

I pray that it will get it right someday, but the first thing that needs to happen is that there is a matter of owning up to the problems in our country. The downplaying has got to stop.”

@ Sharina

Yes I am well thank you. Thanks for another excellent post. Yes I agree with you, if my country grew a backbone and cross-examined individuals with racial claims just as anybody would receive the same treatment for any claims people make in the courts then people will feel justice is being served across all spectrums. It only furthers to harm racial relations when people can make outlandish claims and get away with it.

Of course there are times when those claims of racial abuse are legitimate, and the many cases whereby these claims are false only serves to undermine those true accusations.

This was coming from both black and white people as well. I suppose someone could argue it was racisit, but I just saw it as a sweeping generalisation of where I came from. I was not offended, just surprised.

M-m-m-h.
And when people assume that a black person in America is potentially a thug that will hold them up, or carries deadly (albeit “phantom”) weapons, or even fails to use a hair relaxer for that office job, that is not a venemous hatred, but a sweeping generalization of . . . what? where they came from?

Yes, I agree. These are racist examples. I suppose we are talking about different degrees of racism then, perhaps there is a thin line between ignorance/stereotyping and racism.

What would the human race be like if we were all born with a blank slate and had no input from our parents, family, friends and peers regarding how we perceive other cultures and races? Would we be better off without this knowledge (this term being loosely used) or worse off, living in fear of each other because we are all different?

“WE ARE THE BORG!
WE WILL ASSIMILATE YOU INTO OUR RACIST COLLECTIVE.
WE KNOW EVERYTHING.
YOUR SUB-SPECIES IS BENEATH US!
YOU WILL BE EXPLOITED…
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!”

Perhaps because I tend to watch a lot of Star Trek this stands out as being highly reflective of the powerfully positioned white minority elites who, effectively believe they, control everything on this planet.

Not disregarding of course the majority of dumb, clueless and (white superiority) programmed collective of individuals who acquiesce their own power to allow them to do this.

When you study the history of the original (La-NigrO) people on this planet – African people. When you study the short estimated 1000 year history of imperial and colonial interactions between indigenous peoples and white (European) people this allegory would seem to hold true.

The central strategy has always been to turn the planetary population into senseless “race-less drones” who uphold the hives collective white superiority standard mindset.

Its actually easier, as reading some of posts in this thread suggest, to tell if a white person is not racist (does not have the hive mentality) than it is to tell they are racist.

(1) Those who are not racist – Do not have the hive mentality. They appear to act independently of racist programming thought and logic.

(2) Those who are racist – Have the hive mentality. They are incapable of acting independently of the hive racist programming logic mentality.

We need to remember that Racism is a dynamic just like Sexism. If it exists then it is already functioning. This is why you can see it. If it did not already exist then you wouldn’t be able to SEE IT! Period!

It then becomes a one-way traffic street. You look at the street sign. It tells you which way the flow goes. What happens if you attempt to go against the general traffic flow? You are impeded, you are stopped, you don’t get very far because this is not how the flow of traffic goes is it?

This is the same false premise given to “Black Racism”. How is it possible to have a sea of “Black Racism” in an already fully immersed sea of white supremacy?

Answer: You can’t. You can only have a REACTION/ RESPONSE a ripple or wave to this sea which is quickly eliminated. Is this wave really equally to an existing sea?

“This is why you can see it. If it did not already exist then you wouldn’t be able to SEE IT! Period!”—The question that comes to mind with this is…why is it that blacks and minorities can see this yet when addressed to whites it is always met with disbelief?

“In other words, were slaves racist against their white masters, overseers, and white people at large during “chattel” slavery?”—To be honest I don’t really know how to answer that question. I would not expect them to be as I am sure they did not go by some race system. i would expect them to be angry and upset by the ill treatment they were receiving from white people. Or confused by the smile while being nasty attitudes many of them may have gotten.

Yes… this is true but do remember it only takes a small amount of conscious or connected and aware individuals to influence or give direction to this large dis-connected and unaware mass group. (Think of sheep, the sheep dog and the shepard)

This is precisely why the FBI/CIA had their government funded programs of intentionally eliminating and stopping the emergence of any succesful Black leaders emerging in America or abroad. They feared this could happen so much they gave African-Americans Obama instead!

“…In other words, were slaves racist against their white masters, overseers, and white people at large during “chattel” slavery?…”

How could you be so naive or blind? What about all those slaves who rebelled, setting the plantations on fire and killing their white oveersers and masters?

Where they not acting out their overtly racist tendencies in full force then! 🙂

Were Africans/black people RACIST against whites in America when they were forcibly kidnapped from their native lands brought to Amerikkka and forced to work in America for no wages?

In other words, were slaves racist against their white masters, overseers, and white people at large during “chattel” slavery?

I think individuals of any ethnicity can be racist, but the case you describe above is not of racism it would be a case of disliking/hating/distrusting a group that has proven itself dangerous. Enslaving was not an aberrant behaviour by a few whites, it was widespread policy and practice by a substantial fraction of several white nations’ populations. The hatred/fear/distrust felt by enslaved blacks against whites would be as natural and sensible as disliking all rattlesnakes because many have shown themselves to be dangerous.

To believe or think that individuals of any ethnicity can be racist is to ignore or disregard the dynamic I outlined in my earlier comment above. It also buys into this false notion that racism is a “natural” tendency in all peoples. This is just wrong and misleading. For the simple reason it confuses, by association:

“…disliking/hating/distrusting a group…” as racism? It is not!

As long as you continue to equate or associate racism with basic prejudice or xenophobia you will be mixed and confused about the real dynamic which operates as: white superiority/Black & non-white inferiority. Which by definition is an artificial impositisonal ideology. And if you believe this alien ideology is “natural” amongst all ethnic groups in this world (without any historical legacy of evidence to support your claim) then you can consider yourself racist!

Did blacks ever have the power of the state (de jure/de facto) to force whites into any type of racial subjugation, like Jim Crow, Sundown Towns, Black Codes, red-lining, stop & frisk, unequal judicial penalties, etc…?

Okay… so when, where and how exactly did blacks go from not being racist to being racist against white people?

What changed? Did black people at some point begin to collectively abuse, oppress, discriminate, marginalize, mistreat people of European descent … have privileges that whites don’t have…

So again, when, where and how exactly did blacks go from not being racist to being racist against white people?

With respect I don’t think the response is entirely fair. It borders on being an example of loaded question fallacy. I never said blacks did go from being not racist to being racist, so to ask me when that happened kind of doesn’t work. I said that the example described would be a simple, rational response to slavery and abuse.

I don’t believe that white supremacist racism (the most common and virulent species, I accept) is the only kind. I do accept that white racism is unique in its ubiquity and in the privilege aspect that not only partly drives it but which also means that racist whites are much better placed to do more harm than racist individuals from any other groups.

I’ve seen racism from a variety of ethnicities in a variety of directions. I was a trade union rep in a very multi-racial work environment. Dealing with these issues was my job, which is why I may be more aware of it than most white people.

When I say that individuals of any ethnicity can be racist, I mean individuals. I am not expanding that to generalise. The question posed specified black people. My response is that I believe some black individuals can be racist (I specified no target for that racism) – I think Abagond has made assertions that admit that (I stand ready to be corrected if I am in error). White people can be racist (yeah, no sh*t), Asian people can be racist.

Does the white supremacist aspect affect racism displayed by a black Barbadian against a Pakistani person? (This is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely interested in opinions – there could be a dynamic that I have overlooked.) It is something I have had to deal with. I’m the first to admit that the HUGELY overwhelming proportion of cases were of white people displaying racism against black or Asian people – sometimes acting in concert.

I offer no denial of white racism, nor of white privilege, nor of the many things that make white racism the one that really matters. I accept that most racism against whites is probably, still, a reaction. I accept that white racism is the problem.

But, as I say, I have seen racism between individuals when none of those involved would have considered themselves or the other party “white”.

I cannot speak for his experiences, I only know the reason he was sacked. I know quite a lot of incompetent people I work with, and perhaps they should also look at these people as well. If they did, we’d have no workforce. Lol.

LOL – it’s true I guess and in some cases easier to look at the ‘level’ of incompetence rather than just incompetent behaviour as a whole.

I am going back ten years now when I was a young student working part time in a store. My mother was the Manageress. Lucky me eh, working with my mum. Her assistant Manager was a Pakistani woman. To cut a long story short, we deduced she was stealing money from the store’s takings. There were reams of evidence to justify dismissal. When my mother approached her regional manager on the subject, she was just told “to let it be and do nothing”. She was told they could not afford a potential racial claim in the courts. just ignore the problem and carry on as normal.

I said this before to another commenter but this is an example of Positive Discrimination gone wrong. A wrongdoing is a wrongdoing. Just because someone has one or more of the protected characteristics does not mean that they should not face punishment.

So, we had to pretend we have no thief in our midst and act like the thefts were in our imagination.

So the company had no backbone and excused misdeeds coming from ethnic minorities.

As I said before, a wrongdoing is a wrongdoing but, for every example you can give of this, I can tell you of personal and other experiences that counter this too but, we are not going to get anything out of this tit for tat approach and personal anecdotes I guess cannot define realitys county wide or even necessarily countrywide. I am not saying that PoC dont have prejudices/racist attitudes, just that where I have worked they have not held sufficient positions of power to exert this.

Gio, let me ask you. Do you think this kind of approach is common? Are people ‘lenient’ towards ethnic minorities? Do you think white people are becoming less ‘racist’ and more tolerant or do you think that this is a veneer which is submerged because people ‘know’ that racism is morally wrong and is far less socially aceptable?

Kwamla said: As long as you continue to equate or associate racism with basic prejudice or xenophobia you will be mixed and confused about the real dynamic which operates as: white superiority/Black & non-white inferiority

Buddhuu said: Does the white supremacist aspect affect racism displayed by a black Barbadian against a Pakistani person? (This is not a rhetorical question. I am genuinely interested in opinions – there could be a dynamic that I have overlooked.)

Interesting conversation (haven’t had that in a few days!)

Both Buddhuu and Kwamla bring up some good points. But, I believe anyone can be biased against and prejudice to another group, but I don’t automatically see it as racism. Bias and prejudice can exist within a race, like between black Jamacians and black Haitians.

“you have to first understand that “racism” in its original meaning (as determined by the scholar who coined that term in Germany under the Nazis) and in its still deepest meaning, means systemic racism. Only whites have created and maintained a system of racial oppression in the US case. In the original sense, thus, there is only systemic white racism. Anyone can be prejudiced but whites are the ones who created our 346 years of extreme racial oppression (Jim Crow and slavery) and the few decades of still large scale discrimination against Black Americans and other Americans of color since the end of Jim Crow in 1969. Whites still firmly control — in spite of Obama’s election and other modest recent gains for Americans of Color — our political, economic, and legal systems…”

African Americans cannot be called “racists,” because they do not have the ability to deny anyone “the dignity, opportunities, freedoms, and rewards that this nation offers white Americans.

When, or if, black people begin chaining, shipping, enslaving, selling, lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating SUN-DOWN towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while HATING WHITE PEOPLE en mass via de jure and de facto racism for HUNDREDS of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

Unless America’s historical and traditional scripts are flipped, the ONLY people who can possibly ever qualify to be racists, and “fight their (“natural”) tendency toward it,” are WHITE people.

Otherwise, the word “racist” – “makes NO SENSE!

I think that the powers that be have more or less successfully adulterated the word racism to NOW mean bigotry, prejudice, hateful, vengeance, wary, distrust, suspicious, dislike and so forth.

So, if I’m prejudiced, or wary of, or generally bothered by white people, I’m now deemed racist. (Which of course is pure BS!)

The word RACIST has lost its original meaning; it has morphed into some rabbit hole that welcomes everyone (oppressor and victim alike) except those of us that see through the smoke and mirrors/horse and pony show that whiteness would have us otherwise fixated upon.

If deluded/psychotic whiteness can get away with calling OTHERS racist, then it no longer occupies front stage, center, by itself, according to its sociopathic mindset.

What would the human race be like if we were all born with a blank slate and had no input from our parents, family, friends and peers regarding how we perceive other cultures and races? Would we be better off without this knowledge (this term being loosely used) or worse off, living in fear of each other because we are all different?

I got the impression that you tended to think that most whites are “well-meaning” but become unintentionally racist because they don’t know any better.

But, people generally do know better. And it is our collective responsibility to make sure we do. This is one reason we need to monitor media images and education content. Do you think that the newscaster broadcasting (and the organization providing) the “names” of the Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilots after the crash in San Francisco had no idea what they were doing? Does another party have to point it out to them?

Sharina
And FINALLY an actually discussion about something with Adult commenters. 🙂

@ Sharina

Yes finally, reading from these commentators is very educational. Black history is not one of my strong points but I am finding myself learning quite a lot and seeking sources of information to further broaden my understanding.

Omnipresent
Gio:

I cannot speak for his experiences, I only know the reason he was sacked. I know quite a lot of incompetent people I work with, and perhaps they should also look at these people as well. If they did, we’d have no workforce. Lol.

LOL – it’s true I guess and in some cases easier to look at the ‘level’ of incompetence rather than just incompetent behaviour as a whole.

I am going back ten years now when I was a young student working part time in a store. My mother was the Manageress. Lucky me eh, working with my mum. Her assistant Manager was a Pakistani woman. To cut a long story short, we deduced she was stealing money from the store’s takings. There were reams of evidence to justify dismissal. When my mother approached her regional manager on the subject, she was just told “to let it be and do nothing”. She was told they could not afford a potential racial claim in the courts. just ignore the problem and carry on as normal.

I said this before to another commenter but this is an example of Positive Discrimination gone wrong. A wrongdoing is a wrongdoing. Just because someone has one or more of the protected characteristics does not mean that they should not face punishment.

So, we had to pretend we have no thief in our midst and act like the thefts were in our imagination.

So the company had no backbone and excused misdeeds coming from ethnic minorities.

As I said before, a wrongdoing is a wrongdoing but, for every example you can give of this, I can tell you of personal and other experiences that counter this too but, we are not going to get anything out of this tit for tat approach and personal anecdotes I guess cannot define realitys county wide or even necessarily countrywide. I am not saying that PoC dont have prejudices/racist attitudes, just that where I have worked they have not held sufficient positions of power to exert this.

Gio, let me ask you. Do you think this kind of approach is common? Are people ‘lenient’ towards ethnic minorities? Do you think white people are becoming less ‘racist’ and more tolerant or do you think that this is a veneer which is submerged because people ‘know’ that racism is morally wrong and is far less socially aceptable?

@ omnipresent

Please, I do not mind your personal anecdotes, there is always a flip side. I am under no delusions that racism is not alive and kicking. It is a subject that the media like to focus on in shaming racists. Off the top of my head I can think of recent accusations toward football players and even supporters chanting racists jibes to black football players.

This is something that is never overlooked or downplayed, punishment is usually served, and rightly so.

To answer your question, yes I think there is leniency toward minorities, but I am also sure minorities also suffer racial abuse. A few months back, a british soldier was beheaded in a street in London by Islamic extremists. You may have seen this in the news. Not soon after, there was retaliation against Mosques and Muslims targeted in the streets and homes.

This just fueled the racists in my country to act, fighting hatred with hatred.

As for “do I think White people are becoming less racists or just being careful about not appearing racist?” I think both. There are many black celebrities that I admire, I wont bore you with a long list, but I know friends and colleagues who have the same thoughts. I know of friends who have scorned and avoided outright racists. It is not a desirable trait, especially among my circle of friends. Although, I cannot speak for the entire country, only in my corner of the World.

Then I think of the older generation who lived through periods whereby racism and jokes at the expense of black people was accepted. Now that as a society we are finally trying to grow up, I think that the older generation have realised this as well, that it is no longer socially acceptable to be racist. Those racists tendencies are closely guarded, until they slip up or are in the presence of white people who they think wont mind.

It’s a rather difficult question to answer, and I wont pretend I fully know whether I think Whites are becoming less racist. I can only hope so.

I got the impression that you tended to think that most whites are “well-meaning” but become unintentionally racist because they don’t know any better.

But, people generally do know better. And it is our collective responsibility to make sure we do. This is one reason we need to monitor media images and education content. Do you think that the newscaster broadcasting (and the organization providing) the “names” of the Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilots after the crash in San Francisco had no idea what they were doing? Does another party have to point it out to them?

@ jefe

In general, no, I don’t think most whites are well meaning that often put their foot in it. I agree with you, people generally know better, and it is whether they chose to be decent human beings, indifferent or just hateful. I was just giving a crude example of such an individual who appears to be racist but perhaps not meaning to be. I hope that makes sense.

Unfortunately, I am not an American citizen, so I am not familiar with the news broadcaster’s blunder. Do you have an article you can provide?

I think where I often err here is in not fully grasping the different ways different people use and understand the word “racism”.

Matari said

Here’s how I understand what RACISM is:

African Americans cannot be called “racists,” because they do not have the ability to deny anyone “the dignity, opportunities, freedoms, and rewards that this nation offers white Americans.

When, or if, black people begin chaining, shipping, enslaving, selling, lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating SUN-DOWN towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while HATING WHITE PEOPLE en mass via de jure and de facto racism for HUNDREDS of years, then and only then can calling black people racists make sense.

Unless America’s historical and traditional scripts are flipped, the ONLY people who can possibly ever qualify to be racists, and “fight their (“natural”) tendency toward it,” are WHITE people.

Otherwise, the word “racist” – “makes NO SENSE!

I think that the powers that be have more or less successfully adulterated the word racism to NOW mean bigotry, prejudice, hateful, vengeance, wary, distrust, suspicious, dislike and so forth.

That is very helpful. I don’t think everyone here always uses the term in the same way you understand it. I think it is quite often used in the “bigotry, prejudice, hateful, vengeance, wary, distrust, suspicious, dislike and so forth” sense. Certainly, in the UK “racism” tends to mean any race-based hostility or negative treatment based on racial differences.

Despite being fully aware of the US focus of this blog, I don’t always fully appreciate how different some things are where race issues are concerned – not least the semantics.

I am not based in the USA either, but the gaffe made headline news where I am – you don’t have to be a US citizen to know about this. I am sure it was on BBC and other UK networks also last month. A simple web search will turn up hundreds of links such as the following.

Sorry, I do not recall this story, however after reading it and I am absolutely speechless.

Even the crash itself is a tragedy, but making jokes at the expense of the individuals is even more worrying. Not only are they fake names, but satirical in the context of the report. How on earth did this not get vetted before being aired live?

@Gio,
This kind of stuff happens all the time, unfortunately. These are only a few of the ones that get reported. Jeremy Lin was the butt of many racist jokes last year when he jumped into the limelight last year with the New York Knicks basketball team. Are we led to believe that people don’t know any better and these are just gaffes?

There is a double standard in the USA re: how African-Americans and Asian-Americans become stereotyped and at the receiving end of racism. White Americans seem to “know better” that you should not make these racist jokes about African-Americans (but not always — there were those chimp cartoons about President Obama a couple years ago), but they do get stereotyped as thugs and as carrying phantom weapons, which often get them killed. But there seems to be almost no restraint on white Americans making these racist jokes about Asians and Asian-Americans in public. What is the explanation? Are they indeed clueless? What remedy should be taken?

Thank you for the consideration. Please, if you feel I have gone off topic (sometimes I go off on a tangent), please inform me and I will correct any mistakes. I do not wish to break your forum rules, I just wish to have a civilised discussion.

This kind of stuff happens all the time, unfortunately. These are only a few of the ones that get reported. Jeremy Lin was the butt of many racist jokes last year when he jumped into the limelight last year with the New York Knicks basketball team. Are we led to believe that people don’t know any better and these are just gaffes?

There is a double standard in the USA re: how African-Americans and Asian-Americans become stereotyped and at the receiving end of racism. White Americans seem to “know better” that you should not make these racist jokes about African-Americans (but not always — there were those chimp cartoons about President Obama a couple years ago), but they do get stereotyped as thugs and as carrying phantom weapons, which often get them killed. But there seems to be almost no restraint on white Americans making these racist jokes about Asians and Asian-Americans in public. What is the explanation? Are they indeed clueless? What remedy should be taken?

@ Jefe

I would have thought that the hiring of an Asian basketball player (I assume he is Asian judging by the name, correct me if I am wrong) would be a positive step forward and a good reason to follow his career.

It just goes to show that whenever an event like this happens, then all the racists come out of the wood work.

I challenged a certain somebody’s assumption that racism is no longer a big problem (in the thread dedicated to him). He was wrongly in denial about Barack Obama not having jokes made at his expense. I am not a US citizen as I have claimed earlier, but I stumbled across a plethora of racist jokes about the good man in his time in office. One isolated incident from a government official was downplayed by a certain somebody as a minor incident, but it does not examine the mindset of American society who conjure these jokes.

The explanation is that racism is still a big problem. I think the remedy will come with time. Like you said, racism is unacceptable toward Black people, so the racist thugs pick a new target, someone to laugh at with, like the masses of white and black people having a laugh together rather than each other.

If we leveled the playing field and laughed at White people as well, would this be a remedy or just creating more problems?

” Certainly, in the UK “racism” tends to mean any race-based hostility or negative treatment based on racial differences.”

*******

Unfortunately, more often than not, it’s the same here now as it is on your side of the pond. Such is the power of the WHITENESS club, to alter the essence of words to render them meaningless… useless or imprecise. For its own sake!

What I personally find amazing and stunning, is how easily many of the victims of racial oppression/white supremacy have bought into these new (false) definitions:

Gio:.. I am under no delusions that racism is not alive and kicking. It is a subject that the media like to focus on in shaming racists. Off the top of my head I can think of recent accusations toward football players and even supporters chanting racists jibes to black football players.

This is something that is never overlooked or downplayed, punishment is usually served, and rightly so.

But it has been for years and years and years. Ask John Barnes, Ian Wright, Laurie Cunningham (well, you cant ask him cos he’s dead now). Even though they address it now, it is because there is intense scrutiny and pressure to do just this. Also, there are a significant number of footballers that are from ethnic minorities playing for the teams/the country. If suddenly they took off their boots and decided not to play, this would have a devastating effect on the game.

To answer your question, yes I think there is leniency toward minorities, but I am also sure minorities also suffer racial abuse. A few months back, a british soldier was beheaded in a street in London by Islamic extremists. You may have seen this in the news. Not soon after, there was retaliation against Mosques and Muslims targeted in the streets and homes.

I have to say I did see in your words that you feel that there is leniency. I think there are some examples which will stay at the forefront of peoples minds however, what is not being discussed is the daily toil and battle for equality and justice.

This just fueled the racists in my country to act, fighting hatred with hatred.

Gio, I am from the U.K too remember? It is my country also. Yes, I saw the attack and the backlash. In all honesty Gio, the racists need no excuse – anything that shows the faith of ‘Islam’ in a bad light and a few fundamentalists (who in this case happen to be black) supports their cause. You have to remember, the fear of most racist whites is that PoC want retribution. There is an absolute terror that black men for example, who are deemed as strong and dangerous, will be in a position to run roughshod over white men. Whenever this subject is discussed around my peers, all of different backgrounds, this is the strong sense I get.

As for “do I think White people are becoming less racists or just being careful about not appearing racist?” I think both. There are many black celebrities that I admire, I wont bore you with a long list, but I know friends and colleagues who have the same thoughts. I know of friends who have scorned and avoided outright racists. It is not a desirable trait, especially among my circle of friends. Although, I cannot speak for the entire country, only in my corner of the World.

Unfortunately, I think that the people who are careful about not appearing racist far outweigh those that are actively trying to avoid racism. There is an apathy about making a concerted effort amongst some but, the only thing I will say about this is that it is more generational I think. Saying that though, people I grew up with who I thought were ‘ok’ have started adopting what I can only guess are their parents opinions – particularly where pakistani people are concerned. I still see a lot of overt and disdainful opinion of pakistanis than most people. Where Asian people are concerned I dont think will be addressed for a long time due to the feeling of ‘difference’ not only in their colour but in their culture, their customs, their faith etc.

Then I think of the older generation who lived through periods whereby racism and jokes at the expense of black people was accepted. Now that as a society we are finally trying to grow up, I think that the older generation have realised this as well, that it is no longer socially acceptable to be racist. Those racists tendencies are closely guarded, until they slip up or are in the presence of white people who they think wont mind.

They might accept it but they certainly do resent it. The conversations I have had with some people would make your hair curl and they would STILL swear to you that they are not racist!!!! I also would be surprised if a black person could go in to one of those working mens clubs for example and not have to endure some sort of trite bull$hit, particularly if he/she was alone. I am not necessarily saying this would be hostile but sufficient to not let the person forget their difference. I’ll give you an example – my wife’s friend joined a slimming club. There were some twins there – both black. There was an white guy in the queue who started to announce loudly and to the room at large that the ‘reggae twins’ were back. There were open laughs and titters of amusement. He did not address the females personally once, neither did they look particularly comfortable.

I probably wouldnt have batted an eyelid if I were there when he said it, I probably only would have got the idea that it wasnt necessarily going down well when I looked at them.

It’s a rather difficult question to answer, and I wont pretend I fully know whether I think Whites are becoming less racist. I can only hope so.

I agree Gio but, boundaries will only come down when people discuss things openly and honestly. We might not appreciate how certain things offend and upset different people but, it is important to try and respect that it does and not brush it under the carpet.

“This is why you can see it. If it did not already exist then you wouldn’t be able to SEE IT! Period!”—The question that comes to mind with this is…why is it that blacks and minorities can see this yet when addressed to whites it is always met with disbelief?

We are all programmed, educated, indoctrinated (call it anything you want) in a purposely chosen way

Just like the computers we all use to interact and communicate on the internet with. They have to be programmed in the same familiar way so we can all use them

If we all, growing up in society, are programmed from the start to accept and take on board Racist Beliefs then that is what we will accept and express.

This is constantly reinforced by cultural and media images of society. If it works and allows us to be “successful” in living our life then why would we question or challenge those Beliefs? This is Important

Black, white or regardless of what ethnicity we view ourselves as. If those Beliefs work for us we will not even think of or question them. They just ARE 🙂

So what happens when any one of us come up against situations which FORCE us to re-examine or question those Beliefs? (Remember we will not have considered or labelled them as Racist yet)

We can react in a number of ways. But if we are “white” the easiest way is to play it down, dismiss or ignore this challenge because it still works in our favour anyway. (This is how white privilege works)

However, if you are “Black or non-white” you may not be able to do this. Some might but others (the majority) will not be able to ignore it. They will be FORCED to confront these newly discovered Racist Beliefs and decide if they wish to accept (still take them on board) or reject them.

Of course those Black or non-white peoples who take on board these Racists Beliefs express them internally as Internal Racism – Which you will not find accounted for in any traditional definition of Racism in a dictionary.

Such Black people are easy to spot when you (personally) have rejected racist programming logic because they have not. They will implicitly or explicitly project the mantra: “white is good Black non-white is bad” in their own words, actions and behaviour.

So why is it white people can’t see these Racist programming Beliefs?

Answer: They can (just like Black and non-white peoples) but they too have to de-programme them selves or dis-associate themselves from those Racist Beliefs by replacing them with different ones. Obviously this is harder to do if they are not being continually subjected to the same FORCED experiences as Black or non-white people.

But notice those different Beliefs may or may not still be Racist!

This is a question of expedience. If those Racist Beliefs can be amended or adjusted so they are not as visible (and they still serve – maintain white privilege) then why replace them entirely?

So it would seem really to be about giving up or letting go of white privilege. Which, in reality and truth, serves No One. (white or Black) But they have to make the choice to believe this. How many are currently making this choice?

This is how white people suffer from their own form of internalised Racism – Believing the LIE they are superior when the reflection of Black superiority tells them this is not TRUE! 😦

When they keep saying there is no racism today, and accuse black people of being victims, and don’t do self reflection to see if they are guilty of being racist. And dismissing what black people and other marginalized groups are experiencing in this society.

@ Sharina, Yes, I am afraid you are right. You are decent with a good heart, and try to see the good in these individuals. Then I thought well maybe she likes to debate. You are good at debating. But I just don’t think all that back and forth with those cretins is worth it. He was really getting off on that. I thought he was sick. I was concerned for you.

Sadly enough I knew something was off and I should have just stopped but I was enjoying catching him in the lies and watching him try to scramble out of it. Then on top of that I figured when I just stopped talking to him he would just stop talking to me. And it just did not work that way. I just could not talk to or respond to anyone without him seeking to want to respond to me.

The reason I seriously started to creep out was because I know abagond can see IP addresses and because I commented on his site I knew he could see all of that too. So to me if he could not leave me alone on a blog…who is to say he will leave me alone otherwise.

But Mary I need to be very careful of that for now on because people are crazy and you never know what type of individual you are dealing with. I had dealt with him/her before on brothawolf’s blog as well, but after several uncontrollable bouts…brothawolf banned him/her

I admit I’m racist. I wish I wasn’t, but I suppose admitting it is the first step towards recovery. I am scared of black youths. Not every young black man I’ve encountered has tried to rob or jump me, but each time I’ve been attacked it’s been by blacks. I ride the bus and last Saturday night while waiting at a bus stop by the mall after leaving work I saw a group of young black adults, about ten or twelve, coming towards me to catch that last bus to downtown. I automatically assumed they would harass me or worst, being the only white guy around, so I retreated back to work to call a cab. Would I have done this for a group of white teens? Admittedly, no. I would have maintained a safe distance, just in case, but I probably wouldn’t have fled the area.

I don’t like hop hop or rap, not because it’s “black” but because the lifestyle and themes portrayed in those songs don’t speak to me. I do think a lot of the lyrics are obscene and vulgar, but rock music has it’s fair share of vulgarity, too. Music is the most common barrier I have in making black friends. I really can’t stand their music and I know they are equally repelled by my metal and country.

I also won’t date outside my race. I don’t find black women attractive. I am attracted to women who are other races besides black, but I still wouldn’t date or marry any of them. Not that they would date me anyway…

It seems to me that it is mostly black people writing these blogs that keep using words like THEM and THEY when describing white people. As a white person i have not really experienced racism except when i visited Scotland once and being English some of them would not talk to me,But i will not start using words like THEM and THEY when talking about Scottish people because it will just come across that i hate Scottish people and racist myself or maybe i could write a piece about how to tell if one of THEM Scots is racist against English people !!

How to tell if white people are racist when people like nic and these other racist jack wads come on here with these bs anecdotes about being afraid of black people and how they were attacked and beat up, I called bs on them.

“How to tell if white people are racist when people like nic and these other racist jack wads come on here with these bs anecdotes about being afraid of black people and how they were attacked and beat up, I called bs on them.”

Well said!

Some of these “anecdotes” are so transparent/stereotypical to the point of ridiculousness. They serve no real purpose other than to attempt to denigrate POC.

“They use the n-word, racist slurs or tell racist jokes – meaning they feel the need to disrespect blacks. Why is that? If they do it against Asians or Latinos, then most likely they are racist against blacks too.”

hmm and I can say the same can be said for some poc that make racist or semi offensive jokes about blacks or “ghettoness” in an attempt to try to align themselves with whiteness. And will say i’m part Italian, irish, or whatever, as if that drop of blood would make them all white. I can say a bit of latinos act like this they speak Spanish yet will make jokes about blacks and make sure to throw in they have some whiteness in them.

“How to tell if white people are racist when people like nic and these other racist jack wads come on here with these bs anecdotes about being afraid of black people and how they were attacked and beat up, I called bs on them.”

Well said!

Some of these “anecdotes” are so transparent/stereotypical to the point of ridiculousness. They serve no real purpose other than to attempt to denigrate POC.

Trolls are rife here, but you are evidently sharp enough to sort signal from noise.

Thanks buddhuu. Trolling is a sad internet phenomenon. However I see a lot of savvy commenters diminishing the BS and expressing more accurate depictions of our experience. I enjoy the banter to a point but also need to refrain from getting so wrapped up as to derail meaningful conversations. Looking forward to contributing more on future threads!

” I enjoy the banter to a point but also need to refrain from getting so wrapped up as to derail meaningful conversations”—I don’t blame you and I have been trying to do this as well. It is a bit hard to do as some things said by trolls are just so ridiculous, but I am hoping this new year will allow me to just ignore in most cases.

I am looking forward to seeing you contribute more. It is always nice to have a fresh voice.

People who are racist against African Americans tend to be racist against other people in their out groups as well. They also tend to be sexist and sometimes have a disdain for the poor. Overall, if you come off as intolerant, then I just think you may have some internal issues and leave you alone.

I went to my local Wickes store the other day and there was 2 black guys discussing racism. That same day i went to my local library and there was a black lady reading about racism in Britain.Then later in the evening there was black people on television discussing racism As a white man white i never hear racism from other white people i associate with, we don’t talk about racism and to be honest we are not particularly interested in racism because we don,t experience it and so rightly or wrongly most white people are just bored and not interested in it even though this is an interesting blog on racism. This is just my perspective as a white person.

@Geoffrey – yes, this is called “white privilege.” We aren’t directly affected by the racism around us so we can afford to not think about it. That’s why I’m here– I want to start thinking about it and caring, and to try to do something about it.

@nic – I really do think people of color are more qualified than white people to know whether someone’s being racist. So when they say most of us are racist, I believe them.

“Why do black people believe the stereotype about white people being racist ? This is a genuine question and please dont hate just because i am a white person making this comment!”

It’s not a stereotype. White people have a stereotype of racists being Ku Klux Klan, skinhead violent types. Most of the racism that takes place today is much more subtle and unconscious. It doesn’t have to be vicious because the system has already been built. It just has to be maintained. Maintaining it is still racism.

You have a very good point .We should all think more about lots of real stuff affecting people. I am working class and do experience other mainly middle class whites thinking they are better than me..But i am proud to be working class.I hate all prejudice and racism is just the worst it could ever be and i understand it is an attack on the core of who a human being is.I just believe most white people (in the UK at least) are not racist but just ignorant and find racism a boring subject

Honestly, reparations for slavery are just stupid. I am 3/4 Irish Catholic. I have a British friend. I never ask him for reparations, an apology, or any special treatment. I don’t ask him not to have pride in his heritage.

Why?

Because I realize he had nothing to do with the oppression of the Irish. If blacks realized that todays whites had nothing to do with slavery, maybe you would be better off.

I can’t speak for all Black people but my focus on racism is shaped by personal experiences and incidents that happened to my family and several friends. Additionally, I read lots of information and have observed the ongoing reinforcement of Black stereotypes perpetuated in the media, Hollywood, skewed “studies” and revisionist history. That’s not to say that some people don’t live up to those depictions, but many of us don’t and it’s annoying to constantly be defined by sweeping generalizations when we are individuals.

IMO ignorance is taught and passed down generationally so it will takes someone’s willingness to not generalize an entire ethnic group as if we were monolithic–which unfortunately happens often.

There is a certain racist contingent determined to promote hatred, divisiveness and where feasible enforce social/gov’t. policies that affect minorities’ quality of life. We can see this in disparities in the legal system, education, employment, voting rights, redlining and just living it. Racists lack empathy for our struggles -both past and present- and then assume there is now an even playing field providing opportunities for success.

Many of us work incredibly hard to obtain degrees, build strong families and advance our careers/businesses. Our historical and innovative achievements are often ignored. We are treated by some as inferior (negating any of our contributions), which makes it easier for them automatically dismiss gross injustices occurring to POC. Finally, some feel entitled to tell us how we should be, think and express ourselves as if it is a right, without focusing on the issues in their own lives.

One must ask, why this obsession and continual double standard? Why the discomfort? When we discuss mistruths our hypocrisies, it’s automatically seen as being racist. After a while it gets very tiring attempting to educate some Whites/others about us when many don’t care to learn.

We should be able to have forums to discuss our shared experiences and engage in conversations that offer solutions. It’s even better when Whites who are open to diversity engage. What I don’t care for are trolls who try to disrupt threads and derail topics. I get caught up in that sometimes and have to strive to refrain from too much participation.

I’m sure many people of all ethnicities share commonalities about job growth, healthcare, wars, building global economies, etc. While minorities are often made to be the scapegoat for the world’s problems, governments are passing policies that only benefit the wealthy. We are the wrong people to be targeted and I’m tired of it.

“This is a genuine question and please dont hate just because i am a white person making this comment!”

By stating this, you have also assumed that Black people would automatically hate you for asking a question and for being White. It doesn’t work that way. When you take the time to ask a genuine question, you will typically receive an authentic response.

@nic: It is not a sterotype if you would just listen and do some self reflection and try to understand what black people have gone through. All I ask you to do is listen. Are you a teenager? If you are a young person then I could understand your naievete’.

are you a mind reader,theres no way of telling if anyone is racist actually we all are in some shape or form,its you minorities who have made a lifestyle (a profitable one at that)out of accusing people of being racists,we know that you colored assholes are the real racists,and I don’t mind blacks calling me racist,what pisses me off is all these bandwagon jumpers who never suffered from racism,like Indians and Asians and arabs,i notice they are freely accusing everyone of being racist too.they got some fuckin nerve.get out of my country you pieces of shit,people are racists because of your actions with blacks its crime and murder with Asians its flooding our country and stealing our jobs,we have plenty of reasons to be racist,and don’t sit there and tell me we stole America from the Indians,cut the bullshit.i don’t see whole towns of whites in china??must be nice a country where everyone is one race,no more whining brown people accusing you of racism while destroying your country from ,so fuk it I like my own kind what can I say,and to make being proud of my race a reason to be labeled a racist,while you spread your anti white propaganda everywhere . your factless drama bullshit,in an attempt to slander whites,we don’t care what you think anymore,and won’t be persuaded by your accusations to give you what you want.but that would also make us racist,to not give them what they want makes you a racist,your reasons were racially motivated you were brought up in a racist environment and have been obsessed with racial racist thoughts most of your life……YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT,DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

(a profitable one at that)out of accusing people of being racists,we know that you colored assholes are the real racists,and I don’t mind blacks calling me racist,what pisses me off is all these bandwagon jumpers who never

My philososphy in regards to that goofy premise is thus; If you white aholes are going to discriminate against me, you are going to pay for it monetarily. If any systemic changes are made, than good I suppose. I have already been recompensed for the discrimination propagated on myself. I am again embroiled in another complaint process for which I expect to get paid heartily, again. So…..Discriminate away! To the other black folks on here, you should do the same. My motto is document, document, document. Money and its’ loss is the only thing they understand, that is when they become ‘proactive’, when they lose money in any way shape or form. They may try to make it seem like the ‘moral’ thing to do, but any ‘change’ is usually preceded by some sort of economic loss. Your American history abounds with such examples.

like Indians and Asians and arabs,i notice they are freely accusing everyone of being racist too.

The more the merrier. Pretty soon America will really be bankrupt if all the ‘minorities’ follow my advice. Perhaps you can get a job as a servant with one of those people you are ranting against.

get out of my country you pieces of shit,people are racists because of your actions with blacks its crime and murder with Asians its flooding our country and stealing our jobs,we have plenty of reasons to be racist,and don’t sit there and tell me we stole America from the Indians,cut the bullshit

You can start by going back to Europe. Oh I forgot, Europe aint so ‘lily white’ nowadays. On second thought go to Antartica there is hardly anyone there.

your factless drama bullshit,in an attempt to slander whites,we don’t care what you think anymore,and won’t be persuaded by your accusations to give you what you want.

That’s the thing Einstein, you and your ilk never did care. What do I want? You can start with 100 million dollars in small bills, preferrably American denomination(their dollar is higher right now). I will even move there and spend my hard earned ‘cash’. Perhaps I may be able to provide you with a job as a yard worker.

And lastly….Just what the fcuk are you actually ranting and raving about? I seriously can’t make heads or tails of it. I tried to respond in kind though. Have a nice day you rectal wart.

Unfortunately this happens all over the world. I live in Brazil, and here, in many cities, mainly in the south of the country racism is very, very strong. Everything that was said in the text, as I had experience. The first thing is that the whites of the south of Brazil, dislike of miscegenation. As a region was settled by Europeans (mostly Germans, who came as refugees from World War II, and were accepted in Brazil), nearly 95% of the south of the country is white people, and as the old heritage racism reigns. I am the son of a black man with a white woman, and that for most people aa the south of Brazil is disgusting. When I met this region of Brazil, (in fact I was born and live in Rio de Janeiro) – I was scared about how people look at you in the street as you face in places, markets, restaurants, etc.. In the 21st century for a few days, a website of a journalist in this region, had a published matter stating that the city of Joinville, Santa Catarina (in this region), had trouble finding people to work in companies, because the profile professional ideal for these companies is “white, young and male.” Sad but it’s the south of Brazil. A country that is one that has the largest number of black people, it is also one of the most biased in the world….

white people never in the history of white people had to sit down with with people and has an hornest fact finding mission descriusion on what is racsim. and why we white are not the vitims of it but the benefituaries of if. white people are billionairs, mulitibillonairs, mulitimillionairs, and millionairs, hiow did get there so fast!! why aren’t blacks there too? what are the policies and praticties that stopped blacks from gettig tere too? white people have placed themselves on a thrown in a kingdom of their own makeing. where they make the rules and xenophia and white privalighe is the religion take of the day..if you want to know what it means to be black them jump in a vat of brown skiln paint that can’t wash of it wears off. for 3 years time!!!! and walk and mingle around the peple and experiece it for yourself. racism is mother’s mile for white people and your not going to kill monther?

want to eand racisim once and for all them party, sociilize together, have decissom groups teaching each other who and who’s each other come from and thinks. be hornest with each other an breakdown sterotypes and other misconseptions about you and your group. creating a loving healthy relationship with othtes of the divievisited communitieis kills racism homophobiam and gender bias.
please vote all of these republicans out of office peacle don’t forget and don’t get lazy vote! give hiliery a democrat house and senate. don’t punk out dems show them that you truely have backbone and overies to ead this. by-way-what exactly are the white churches doing to address ana fight and kill racism?

Wow, I just read a lot of the comments, that’s so rude! No wonder blacks think we’re racist with the way some of your comments are! I get mad just reading them! Be the change you want to see in the world, this is the philosophy I live by. As for your philosophy i think you should be “if you don’t have something nice to say dot say anything at all!” Canada/usa is multi cultural get over it! All races deserve equal rights. Being in a country longer then another gives you no extra rights!

After reading this article, and the comments by other readers,..the racists are obvious… You have to be racist to write this article,..and the comments, well those are blatantly racist against whites,..and the funny, or sad fact is most are too caught up in ‘The Lie’ to see their own hypocrisy..

The reality is that Europeans, and Africans, share both a common blame,..and common plight, when it comes to the ugly history of bigotry and slavery.. Which if you know the history of slavery, it started out as an institution of Bigotry, NOT Racism.. It was about differences of Religion, not Race.. White Christians Europeans have always been brutal towards Pagan Europeans,..just like African Muslims were always brutal even towards African non-Muslims..

Long before the U.S. existed, Africans were enslaving White Christian, and pagan Europeans. The invasion of the European Iberian Peninsula by Africans, in the 8th Century, was the beginning of a thousand+ years of Europeans being taken as slaves by Africans.. If it wasn’t full scale invasions, it was the Barbary Pirate raids,..which combined, took MILLIONS of Europeans from their families, and homes, forcing them to other continents as either forced labor, or sex slaves for Caliphs & Sultans’ harems..

Of all the Europeans taken into bondage by their African Muslim captors, the European Slavic people seemed to be the easiest to forcibly convert to Islam, and were the easiest to train as Warriors for Islam,..eventually becoming the infamous ‘Marmluks’, the Muslim Mercenaries.. Since they were also called Slavs,..that term became the generalized term for all European captives sold into bondage.. Hence the word ‘Slave’..

When the Muslim Africans, the Moors & Berbers, weren’t taking Christian Europeans as slaves,..they were raiding, and enslaving Non-Muslim Africans. They considered all non-Muslims as fair game for slavery.. They also sold their captives to anyone who had the money to purchase them.. So when you hear about Africans selling Africans to Europeans, it was about religious bigotry..

I don’t condone racism, nor bigotry of any people.. Nor do I condone ‘Victim’ mentality.. I believe that U.S. Schools intentionally hide the African involvement in Slavery, for one racist reason.. IT gives the African Americans a weak, victim mentality,..while at the same time, it gives whites a ‘Conqueror’ mentality, when in truth, BOTH Europeans, and Africans have suffered and been the guilty.

I think it’s important for African-Americans not to only know their ancestors’ history as victims, but also one of strength, albeit used in the most vile, wrong ways,..just like Europeans who should have learned from their own subjugation, that slavery was wrong.. WE need to know both sides of the story, to prevent it from ever happening again..

Plus, if we share our common bond as victims of Religious bigotry at the hands of Muslim armies in the past,..we’re better united to prevent it from happening again.. Which if you listen to the stories today, out of Africa, the U.K., and the U.S., both Whites and Blacks who aren’t Muslim,..are once again suffering brutality at the hands of Muslims of all races..

Some Somalis, blacks from a Muslim country in Africa, started an all out brawl, and riot, after throwing their lunch food at a group of African Americans in a Minnesota High School not long ago.. The Somalis were insulting the African Americans’ ancestors, as well as their Christian faith.. Then they started pelting the African Americans with food, til a large fight broke out.. That was in the HEARTLAND of the USA. Minnesota..
If the White students, and AfricanAMERICAN students realized how much more they have in common then they thought,..and the White Students felt more apart of the AfricanAmericans,..the 2 could have stood together, united against that Bigotry.., which is exactly what it was, dont’ let the liberal media fool you.. American students, that have an African heritage,..have once again started having to endure ‘hate’.. This time, white Americans are also subject to that hatred..
A teenager in the U.K., who’s parents are Christians, as well as Jamaican immigrants, despite his skin color also being the same as his African-Immigrant, Muslim attackers,..still got severely beaten for being a non-Muslim who refused to bow down to their prideful insults,..when it was HIS Family in the U.K. long before they came there..
Just like the African Americans families helped build this country,..they shouldn’t have to be suffering insults yet again, especially not from newcomers here.. We have a common bond, and both African Americans, and European-Americans need to find that bond now more than ever.. Even if we have to both purge our ranks of our own Racists,..white skinheads, and black militants who refuse to ever get along with one another, so be it… We have no more room in our society for Racist haters, and perpetrators of a false-history that gives an entire race of people, a feeling of being too weak to stand up and not be a victim..

This is sharina ROFL at you. You basically attempted to dispute his post by citing history? What does history have to do with telling if a white person is racist? I particularly found in funny when you claim to not condone victim hood but wants us to bond over being victims of religious bigotry? ….

FYI most black or African American know they are no better or worse than whites. That portion of your post maybe something you can teach to whites that believe in these major difference (and they are not just the extremist myth that people want you to believe).

How is this post racist? Please be specific – like quote something and say why it is racist. Otherwise your comment was just an exercise in name-calling. I can do that too: You’re a racist! See how enlightening that was?

I didn’t use ‘history’ to disprove racism. I used history to prove we’re not as different as we’re lead to believe by those it serves well to keep the American People divided..

Instead of saying “lets identify the white racists”,..it would do everyone well to ‘identify ALL the Racists’.. Then instead of answering their racism with more racism,..try to find some kind of common ground to bridge the divide..

I used to think Spike Lee was crazy, and delusional.. He was always talking about this mysterious guy called “Da man”, as he puts it.. Then I found out one day he wasn’t delusional, he was a genius ahead of his time.. It’s not one person, it’s many people, that still make up a very small group, in proportion to the rest of the world.. They’re called the ‘Elite’, Oligarchs, the Bilderberg Group, the CFR,,..and ‘Blue Bloods’..

The first thing black people should know is them people, they don’t consider ‘ALL whites equal and superior to others’. They consider whites who aren’t Blue Bloods,..to be just another ‘Worker Class bee’,..like every other race to them.
They hold the reigns of power in our government by getting to the DNC & RNC’s young, up and coming politicians. The only threat to that strangle-hold they have on our Republic and Constitution,..is if we all United our vote.

That’s harder than it seems though, apparently. They own not just Hollywood, to help shape hearts and minds,..they also own the Main Stream Media, and today like throughout history, they still use it to accomplish their personal goals,..at the expense of ‘Truth’.

They use the Media to distort, and twist facts.. The intention is to create a further divide between the two largest groups of voters, the Blacks and Whites.
They’ll outright lie to make that happen..

As long as they keep us divided, we’ll never have a large enough, united vote that’s big enough to keep both the DNC & RNC out of the White House.. That’s their game, and they’re masters at it..

I simply want us united, not divided.. Looking for more reasons to consider us ‘divided’ only hurts us, and helps the Elite keep us and our majority vote, divided up so that we can never throw a wrench into their plans..

It’s not just that I want us united to vote for REAL change, as in No more DNC & RNC candidates for now, they’ve failed us too many times.. It’s also personal to me, cuz for now, I still only see ‘racism’ online..

In the small, south Mississippi town I grew up most my life in,..today, I’m great friends with all the people I’d gotten into stupid fights with, when we were teenage boys.. The black and white alike, we get along, they get along.. We’re all good here.. I don’t wanna hear about one of my white friends, jumped by any of my black friends, who were intentionally mislead by the mainstream media about facts in a case that hits home for them as African Americans.
I dont wanna see any of my black friends, shot by one of my white friends, who suddenly started carrying his CCW permit, and legal firearm..all because he’s scared of that trend elsewhere in the nation called ‘Urban Polar Bear Hunting’, aka – the KnockOut game..
I want my life where I exist, and my friends in it,..to all be free of the craziness I see online all the time from other parts of the nation..

IN the meantime I do care about my fellow countrymen.. I don’t wanna see us so easily manipulated into separate groups.. That saying that ‘united we stand’, is a fact.. ..Which yes in my opinion,..with the exception of the hardliners like Skinheads, and the New Black Panther party,..everyone else, most of their racism most likely stems from fear and ignorance. That is something that can be remedied.. When you’re “trying to identify the racist white person”,..instead you should try to find that same person, and disprove his fear and ignorance.. Otherwise racism is only being furthered by continuing to seek the differences in us, instead of our common bonds..

(Sorry so long, I’ve never been good at ‘short, sweet statements that are to the point’)

Laughs at you-
Why not preach your message to your people? You probably need visit the Broken Record tab at the top of the webpage. Your lengthy diatribe is nothing new here, we seen your message MANY times before. Good day! 😎

“I didn’t use ‘history’ to disprove racism. I used history to prove we’re not as different as we’re lead to believe by those it serves well to keep the American People divided.”—There are differences in the way slavery was handled depending on who was the slave holder, but the fact is you are preaching to people who ALREADY know this and in great detail.

“Instead of saying “lets identify the white racists”,..it would do everyone well to ‘identify ALL the Racists’.. Then instead of answering their racism with more racism,..try to find some kind of common ground to bridge the divide.”—Have you ever asked why identifying the white racist are more important? You mentioned the elite which is correct and the elite do not care about anyone, but the elite does use average whites to their advantage. This white is right idea was theirs to keep blacks and white separate on that simply basis. Most white people fall into that trap so easily it is almost astonishing. Even well meaning whites make the mistake of being slave to the motto one way or another. Identifying black racist will do much to nothing in a white elite society that will favor whites over blacks. I mean sure you can do it, but to was avail?

Even though the elite created the bridge, average whites have really kept it going. Stereotypes, trial drugs aimed at race, white flight, etc. And all this time blacks have been screaming to say…”we are no different.” So you are preaching to blacks about doing it, but you still need to preach to whites about it as well.

Black People had always took special notice of me. White People just don’t know that many times Black Men snuck up on me even when they were with their partners just to greet me with beaming eyes. Black Men knows to have a a coarse-jaw, and poor teeth still exceeds White Trash in many ways. They even know White People does not have bigger features than they do. White People can never compare with Asian-Indians either. I put my words ahead of me in my path- I want to spend my life with Black People. I ain’t jealous of White People even though Black People wants to get even with White People in The Next World. In Heaven, in that lovely paradise: Whom do I have, but the people I ain’t jealous of? Why in the world would race matter?

The truth is all people are racist to some degree black yellow white or brown.
It is natural to want to group together with your own culture of what you consider you own people multi culturalism was forced onto native people due to mass immigration and has harmed people way of life and makes people stick to their own groups.

The disturbing thing about this website is how they are talking about how racist white people are but really they should be talking about how racist ALL people are in general.

It is true that in all countrys which have had forced mass immiigration of foreigners on a large scale such as Europe , Black people do fall behind the other racial groups.

If the country was truly controlled by white racists then why does Asians outshine whites in many areans of Buisness and control huge amounts of wealth.

If it is so racist then WHY are Black people so hugley overrepresented in Sports and Music industry and do very well at it?

Surley if it was racist then they could not do well but the reason they do well in these areans and worse than other races in others is because they are very good at Sports and Music but perhaps they fall behind in education due to their own cultural tendancys and not because of racism.

I believe black people fall behind in education because they have not had thousands of years of education systems like Europeans and Asains have had.

If Black people are smart and want to do well in Buisness or anything there is nothing holding them back many choose to blame the system or white people anything but themselves and their own failure.

I would admit that the chances of a Black man or ANY other race becoming the leader of a European country is almost NIL this RACISM IS REAL.

Just the same as it is NIL chance of a white man becoming President of Japan or a JAPANESE ethnicity person becoming preident in an African country.

Countrys Still hold on to their main racial identity in some Areans but why shoudnt they?

Native peoples have had their bloodlines and cultures for thosands of years this is a natural form of racism that will not change anywhere in the world unless everyone just Interbreeds so heavily that there is no longer any races left which would take 10’s of thosands of years.

Stop trying to demonize a certain racial group for things that are standard in all countrys and be thankfull that you can live in a wealthy country thanks to the white man if you dont like it you can always move back to your native Africa and see how much you enjoy it there.

@Kiwi I am in my native Europe (not sure how long it will remain European for though).

@ Kiwi You are talking utter rubbish this website is here to completley bash whites and blame things on white racism, i know alot of people from all races and the ones who are most obsessed with race are Blacks and alot do have a chip on their shoulder due to history but really i dont know what its like in USA but in Europe Britain Asian are more likley to do high paid professions and less likley to do manual work.

Blacks are at the bottom but this is the same as in every country and i dont think its racism that is the problem there are other reasons why blacks fail but its mainly their own fault if they want to do well they really can and MANY MANY of them do especially in football where blacks are hugley overepresented just look at the ENGLAND football Team has between 15-35% Black players in a country where Black people are under 5% of the Population yeah looks really racist to me.

So what? That was a point I made in the context of the CURRENT debate, albeit this is an ancient thread. Maybe our offspring can take up the mantle in the same way everyone has to from what has happened in the past.

How so? I am just commenting on the current state of the mindsets in here from what happened to their ancestor’s that had no direct effect of them. From the attitudes people had generations ago, then we all must be guilty of being the SAME way.

You may wanna delve a little deeper in you analysis of Asian Americans & diaspora Asians. Most of the Asians that are affluent & highly successful scholastically are East Asian & South Asian. Europe & Americas relationships with these regions through war, colonialism & neo colonialism led to both allowing more immigration from those areas.

By contrast Southeast Asians face ridiculous levels of poverty & struggle. Though I can’t recall exactly where I did, I remember reading that Lao & Cambodian Americans had lower degree attainments than blacks. The problem is that East & South Asians are a majority of Asian Americans & thus their accomplishments make the struggles of Southeast Asians disappear in the aggregate. Add in the model minority stereotype which many non-Asians believe much like you seem to & socially everyone falls deaf to the struggles they face.

The fact that they all come from Asia means nothing, taking identifiably different groups of people who immigrated out at different times in history, for different reasons & in drastically different numbers and lumping them all together as “Asian” is very misinformed. Its exactly what Asian commenters on this site are speaking of when they talk about their struggle. Its what Asian American activists are speaking of when they demand affirmative action for Asians, many do need it very much.

Also for Steve/Gio to build off a point I should have expanded on. Asia is home to 60% of the worlds population. Comparing unlike groups of people as if they’re similar when they come from the largest continent on Earth which by definition means they’re all very unique and different is the main problem with your argument. You would never compare an Italian & a Greek, Scot & German etc. because you respect the differences in their cultures. You throw out American & European Asians who are a microcosm unto themselves as if they represent all of Asia which is evidence that you lack the same respect.

You’re also not taking into account that many of the successful Asians you’re speaking of already have advanced degrees before they ever come here. They only make up a small part of the general population of your country/continent yet you speak as if their emblematic of Asia as a whole which is completely off base.

@jeff e. Lol. Good luck with that one. I have never directly asked what people’s perception of me in that regard is, but i know personally it’s a struggle every minute of every day to overcome the random thoughts and ridiculous notions that have been implanted into my thought matrix by american culture and white people in general. I’ve been posting here a few years and certainly learned a lot along the way not only about black people in general, but myself too!
You can only answer that for yourself, unless of course you start trolling and then…

*I meant to say asked here. And i would like to add it’s not enough to sit around yapping on a blog either, but this is certainly the best place on the internet i’ve found to start to address that issue.

America is a posioned racist fucked up country whites in Europe do not share the same guilt, we build Europe the greatest countrys on earth let the 3rd world immigratnts flood it they will ruin it for a white untill they fully intergrate which will set us back another 1000 years but eventually race will be a non issue.

Something I believe, live and is backed up by a long term case study of Census statistics is that the “multi-racial” ethnic population is the fastest growing in the U.S. and continues to be the fastest growing population of U.S. Americans.
If the rate of this population growth continues, this “minority” is becoming a proud majority that will be the economic and political force to be reckoned within the next ten years in the U.S.
The only ones trying to hold them back are those that say they are “not white enough” or “black enough.”
Of course it is not working. We stand in the divide of such hypocrisy and move on and up. Despite the whites who try to push us down for not being white enough. And despite the blacks from our own neighborhood who will try drag us down or “pop” us when we try to go home and visit family on the weekend. Because, all of sudden, we are not “black enough” because in order to pay for college I hold two full-time jobs in addition to busting my a$$ for scholarships just to pay for college, like to wear belts that hold our pants up, not call our brothers and sisters “niggahs or bitches”….the list goes on and on and on…
Oh! That b.s! You may reply. Well… Hmmmm……I’m not alone….. checkout our Harvard campaign

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Simply put, yes… institutionalized racism still exists. Of course, because of our U.S. law(s) it can now only be defined as prejudice. The reason being,”racism” means you have the “power” to put someone down or deny them a given right— legally– no. Prejudice– yes… Why do I say that? You can sue their a$$ for that $hit and they can’t even tell you you’re pulling the “race card.” The average U.S. citizen won’t even blame you.

So— does it exist– yes.
Do we hold ourselves down and cause many of our own issues—– in many ways—oh, so sadly— in many ways —- yes.

All these sides on here arguing their “side”…. with the same voice.
The mountain on my right yells ” Stupid black girl you’re not white; don’t even try climbing my mountain!”
The mountain on the left screams, ” Stupid white girl, you aint black, don’t even try it!”
The echoes are becoming deafening. They try to drown out the thunder of a river that is about to engulf both mountains. A river that roars like the one that created the Grand Canyon and is reshaping the fabric of the earth they all share. The Grand Canyon could not stop the river from re-shaping the mountainous clashing rocks into something beautiful and glorious. And it is my hope that this river will reshape the mountains they course through also. Into something beautiful and peaceful. I wonder if the Grand Canyon regrets how it was re-shaped…. or were the mountains so busy yelling at each other and at the little river that they never noticed it happening? Paz.

Multiracial have always been a part of society. It is only recent 2000 that people were able to mark as such. So the idea of them fast growing vs them recently marking as such is up for question.

You having other to back you up does not make what you say more credible. Sorry. A good argument stands on its own and with that being said. Those things you mention don’t hold blacks back. They hold said people back. To be real about it those people with that mindset hold themselves back. We still have black men in suits getting denied or their rights taken, so it stands that what they wear and do has little or no impact on holding them back. FYI gangsta thug rap seems lucrative.

Racism carries a few different definition. So I find it a bit disingenuous to try to make yours the poster child for what it means and is and thus can not apply for. Besides show me a U.S. law that defines racism?

As to a person being sued and bot telling you that you are pulling the race card….ROFL. A person can tell you what they want and you can only sue if you can prove. In many cases a professional racist knows how to be careful and the average U.S. citizen will come to a blog and vent about why they blame you. Check comment sections on news articles.

That is why some members of my family just started their own business.

Holy crap, I just read through 2011 to the end of 2014. This post and the comment section are A grade examples of black racism and blind hate for people being born white.

You have people early on like Alexandra, Randy, Brahms and Chris make some very good points on racism, then a bunch of ignorant bigots (including the author of the blog) come in and just ignore everything they put because it makes them question their view or disagrees with their point or hell just makes you think about the bigger picture (rather than white = scum) and you have to label them a troll. Does troll mean logical and intelligent back in 2011? It just gets worse from there on.

Hell I am not a white american in any sense of the word and I can tell you, the blind hatred you have and being stuck in your own self pity creating a circle jerk where you play the victim and blame the world for your own shortcomings. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, YOU ARE WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS, YOU ARE THE PEOPLE KEEPING THE RACE DOWN.

Your racism towards a culture you are trying to condemn as racist is what is stopping you from succeeding in life.

Get yourself an education, get yourself a decent job and stop bitching. I did not struggle my way out of a shitty run down neighborhood from a single mother on welfare, to get into a high paying office position to then listen to a bunch of whiny children saying it cant be done because of the color your skin.

p.s
Yes Racism is still an issue, the damn news everyday of white cops getting away with murder is proof BUT you dumb people are a bigger cause for concern with your expecting a handout in life, when there is no special white person club so I get free money.

Sincerely,
Jay, a guy who hates dumb lazy bigots blaming the white man for failing at life rather than there own pitiful life choices.

I don’t know where this concept of demanding handouts comes from? Is it from the debate about reparations for slavery? Or is it based on wild personal beliefs (or from propaganda from political organizations)?

It seems to comes from the Welfare Queen stereotype and Republicans wanting to cut taxes on the rich. Also, since Whites have got rich off of Black labour, they need to see them as lazy and a “drain on society” in order to maintain their own overblown self-image as Basically Good. Much the same applies to their view of Mexicans.

Wow dat email for comment deleted on racial slur when I never used one :3

I did mention rapper profiting from using racial slurs and it being called “art” because modern day american society has created an image where being black is a the top of the social ladder for being too damn cool and how disgusting it is that booty shakers can make money and call it “music” which perpetuates a negative stereotype that they glorify.

Guess I am going to have to restate some points why I am done seeing as it got deleted.

@sharia
see comments all of 2011 to 2014 especially those talking about slavery as if it is black exclusive, reparations for this entitled generation who never suffered from slavery and people who believe that EVERY white person somehow profits from this fabled institution built in slavery when it was so few and how pretty much none of these families are still in power and the complete misunderstanding of people on who corporations/business work. Also pro-affirmative action, this is also racist because it says an ethnic group couldnt achieve anything unless it was given to them. Also Kudo on ignoring 99% of the post and making a pretty much irrelevant comment when the whole thing is there for you to read.

@abagond
that Randy guy pretty much rebuttled everything you said and you completely ignored it. Grasping to straws as if it was never said when it is all very clearly in the comments section. You went round and round in circles ignoring everything he said. Reread 2011. Also you did it again, you pick at once small thing ignoring all the others I mentioned or even bringing up any points, like most of your posts really.

Not as bad as that Matari guy… my goodness the issues there.

@most of this comments section – In this life you should be something you can be proud of being. If you spend your whole life playing the victim, that is all you will ever be, a victim.

Rather than spending four or so years whining on this comments section, go out and make a difference in this world. My mother always told me I would have work twice as hard to get anywhere but if she heard me whine about it she would beat some sense in me.

So in short, stop doing the social justice warrior complaining that the white man needs to change the world to suit me, go out, work and change it for yourself and your fellow man. there is no super secret white old man club stopping you. Only your own delusions.

You all have continued this conception of race and segregated yourself from the bigger picture. The phase “african american” should of disappeared with slavery and it should of just been American. The problem with all these social justice warrior groups is they ARE NOT about equality at all, because all you care about is the improvement of one group, normally your own group.

You cannot see all people as equal or as a whole so you try to get a handout for your group as if the others have some sort of advantage. They don’t. We create our own situations in life and there is always a way out, you just have to work hard enough. Yes there are some narrow minded bigots in the world that will always try to put you down, but festering in that minority is the real problem here.

Once you can see a successful black person as just a successful person, then maybe you will understand why you are so blind.

At first I read the initial post and thought… maybe I am racist and need to re-evaluate my views… but then I read the comments and the ignorant mouth breathers that fill it only tell me I need to be more racist. Such bigoted views it could make anyone look down on you lot.

Some of these comments really wish I was around to engage with when they happened as they are all so damn funny, but Ill stick to the ones in the last few weeks so I am not necroposting dead comments:

@Thoko Zile Xaba – first comment I read when skipping to the end of the comments, thankyou for confirming this would be full if bigots from the get go. the rest from the top down did not disappoint. (lulz implying being born white is a character flaw).

@Jay you actually read all of it? I could not finish 2011 with all these bigoted trolls blindly hating the whiteman. you win the procrastination of the year award. true on the America does not know history comment, they think a few hundred years to build the youngest nation on earth with the Irish and Chinese makes them so special. Try being enslaved by the Romans or Muslims prior to the crusade, that was real punishment.

@sharina I know your that first person to jump in to say black on white racism is bs ignoring their point searching through your comments but I think he is referring to all the posts implying whiteman owes them. there are plenty, hell even the fifth comment down implys the only problem left in the world is white attitude (lol tell that to paris today). just start reading through all the entitlement.

@jefe you clearly have not read anything here. actually look at the posts. the first one is an example. a random scroll ends up Robert calling someone for rebuttling a comment a sleazy racist (that will teach that guy for trying to have an intelligent discussion!) another random one goes to matari referring to white people as the borg lol or just read anything in the early post of people replying to anyone making constructive criticisms of the blog, making random insults.

@justme lolwut telling a blackman to try living as a blackman. good job black shaming for him trying to give a positive message.

@abagond the finally. when I first read the blog I honestly questioned a few things. but reading the whole thing and you really do over-dramatise it. I mean all the bs on white privilege like there is some special club that gives you a helping hand… there isn’t. also what rights don’t you have? I always hear that over and over but you can never put into word what you don’t have. almost every post of yours is running round and round with no real aim and a few bigotry comments which you and a few followers justify with blacks suffered more than the whole world so we cant be racist. urgh please. also LOL! asking a guy to go through your own 512 comments because you don’t remember the rubbish you type. Joker.

all in all, get over yourselves, you act like you suffered, no you have never known suffering. I doubt any of you are old enough to of experienced slavery nor did your people even have the worst cut. check out the jews! you guys need to grow up and pull your weight in society then maybe when you take equal responsibility you will be equal in everyones eyes.

Just re-read his whole post and try to remember the moment that you discovered Daz/Jay had two accounts and your instinct to delete him straight away. A loop hole blessing in disguise. Had you been up for the challenge, you would have engaged him in debate, regardless.

Isn’t it plausible that a wordpress user might have multiple accounts for different blogs? What was so criminal about that?

What about the abject racism illustrated by some of your black commentators? They seem to still be here. God forbid if ever they had another account though.

“these whites seem so stupid don’t they?”—-If you are referring to the whites that come to this blog with an inability to answer a question? Then yes. If you are referring to the ones I encounter daily…..no.

So I repeat:

Where did I say black/white racism is bs? and Please point to one post of someone expecting a handout?

It’s been a long time since i read this blog, but the theme of reparations seems to be a popular subject. How do you quantify that by the way? As an ancestor of generations bygone, how do you calculate what you have lost as opposed to if slavery never existed? How far back should this go? Can I claim grievance from the Germans who might have wiped out my family during the 2nd world war, depriving me of the stability that might have been afforded from a more complete family?

I have been on this blog for 2 maybe 3 years and reparations have never been a theme. You may have one or two commenters that bring it up, but not something that has several posts about it.

“Can I claim grievance from the Germans who might have wiped out my family during the 2nd world war, depriving me of the stability that might have been afforded from a more complete family?”—-If your family worked free labor then yes you could claim grievance if you wanted to, but if you are only talking about a lack of family stability then I would no more support that than I would for black grievances.

At any rate it appears you have no interest in answering my questions and I have no interest in deflections. Good day. 🙂

A rather hair trigger reaction that occurred after his post is my reason I question you. No attempt to reconcile something as silly as the user having 2 accounts. Hey, maybe he switched to his other account to talk about French poetry on another blog and stayed signed in when he responded to your blog. We will never know. It just looked rather feeble and convenient. Even Sharinalr was disappointed that he/she coudn’t respond to his post.

@ Sharinalr, dont pretend the theme has never come up. I have not been on the blog for 2 or 3 years, but that question has popped up quite a often. What difference does it make if my ancestors lives were cut short or whether they suffered slavery? There is a potential financial loss to descendants.

Do we really need to go over the definition of theme? I would hope not. A few commenters mentioning reparations is not a theme dear. A theme would be what the whole or the majority of the blog is about. It would be what the majority of this post is about. That is not the case. In the case of it being mentioned I stated clear as day “You may have one or two commenters that bring it up”

“hat question has popped up quite a often.”—Then you have no problem pointing me to the posts where said commenters asked about reparations. At the very least the name of commenters that talked about reparations so often.

“What difference does it make if my ancestors lives were cut short or whether they suffered slavery?”—There is a great difference. One resulted in free labor with no pay that could have been used to provide better for a family. That is not a hand out situation. What you are referring to is a hand out because a person killed your family members. I guess you could always file a grievance, but it is not one I would support. If I did support it I would then have to support the idea of black families getting money for killed family members and that still puts their loss above yours because it adds in free labor and dead family.

Now I repeat. If you are not going to answer my questions then I am not going to engage in your deflection. Good day. 🙂

No attempt to reconcile something as silly as the user having 2 accounts. Hey, maybe he switched to his other account to talk about French poetry on another blog and stayed signed in when he responded to your blog. We will never know.

Of course we do know. He addressed and argued with himself under another name. That could not have simply been an ignorant mistake. That is willful.

But I also would like to know what are the specific inconvenient truths he brought up. Would you be so kind to share for our edification?

I am a “white” person and I have to say I grew up in the south in a very racist family. I think this is probably why I’m not a racist. Not one bone in my body feels better than an African American person. If anything I was so against my family I used to deny hide and lie about it. I’ve raised 4 “white” children who I raised so completely opposite of the way I was raised my siblings make fun of me and call me names, which I feel gives me a place of honor if no where but in my own mind. My children have had small interventions for me to tell me I can’t keep wearing the guilt that should be on my family members and not me. My oldest 18 and 24 tell me that I’ve gone a little overboard where I’ve made them and myself feel like pieces of racist scum bc of what the African American has had to endure bc of white racist. I have NEVER allowed anyone say a derogatory/racist term around Me wout Telling Them That Is Not OK Ever. Just know we are not all racist some of us are more sensitive than u know and proud of it!

I would first like to begin by saying you have already successfully discredited yourself with hat lame attempt at discrediting another by giving them stipulations. Secondly a few studies have been done that reveal whites as more racist after the election of Obama. Not to mention other surveys showing some prejudices.

Now you can scream percentages all day but number wise the same percentage to population will not help you.

As to you question you will be surprised at the many name white people choose that are not White standard. Do you have an exact number of otherwise.

@jefe “Did you ever consider giving up “whiteness”?
Interesting. I got pulled over again recently had just threw a beer can out the window a couple blocks back, and blew a red light, had the wife with me.
Sometime afterwards it came up in discussion, seeing as how i got to drive home (maybe 4 blocks), you know, i said, “what was i supposed to have said i renounce my white skin privelege in solidarity with black and brown people around the world?”
She said yes kind of a joking, thing? But not really?
I think it is ‘sticky wicket’ they call it, also ‘use your super powers for good.’

v8 one example doesn’t prove anything. But I will say since you live in the philly area, and are throwing beer cans out the window and blowing red lights remind me when you are on the road, so I can stay off of it. ..I got pulled over on my street and got a dui. I’ve also been let go a few times as well, once told to walk home. So you automatically think either one had to do with color? Come on man.

trying to deal with this messed up block i’m on also my road show project is way more expensive than what i earned from it so … really goin through it also trying to work on like 3 writing projects or 4 now with isis papers

You know what V8, you should have said that from begin with. If some cop said that to my wife I’d have a hard time being polite. f that. My wife fights her own battles though. She’s the stereotypical fiery Italian girl. But she has a heart of gold though. I mess up too man. Sounds both of our wives are good people putting up with our butts. God bless you guys. Glad they let you go. Just be careful out there. I’m a proponent of no victim no crime. So I think some DUI laws are harsh, because everyone is different and some people may be ok a .08 bac. But if you are pulled over at like over .16. Even if you would make it home the cops are only doing their jobs getting that person off of the road imo.

Michael Cooper. Why do you hope I don’t live in America? Is it because the American population is losing their common sense or is it because you are deluded enough to buy such assertions made in this ridiculous post?

I am sorry but much of what you are saying does not make sense. For starters it does not take looking into anyone’s heart to determine if they are racist. As per the article the actions of a person in said determination not the words or lack of words.

Secondly Michael saying he hopes you are not American has what to do with the common sense of Americans?

Thirdly no one claimed you used the n-word but he is saying to use it is not common sense.

yes sharinalr
well racism studies is not a “hard” science. so what you are saying has no merit in science or even classic logical thinking let alone to make assertion if anything “makes sense” is absurd. Let me do a little mind experiment ..in the abstract of course. You are making the assertion that if any white person has any thought or speech about another race that is about that race specifically..regardless if it is a positive assertion or negative..they are automatically racist..case closed..the psuedo equation proves this. i am a reasonable person. i do not discredit anybody of any race making a comment about a specific race. i realize this happens with everybody of any race at some point in their life. Can you agree with that? people are generally good and don’t have hidden agendas to constantly keep down a certain race or ethnic group as a counterpart of their existence. can you agree with that also? For example if a black person calls me a racist. i do not automatically discount him as a decent human being or even decide he is racist. That is silly and paranoid…or circle reasoning…using the logic you portray is a no sum game. it is flawed form the start… you cannot see this?

Are you drunk? It does not take “hard” science or even logic to realize that nothing you said makes sense. This is not a matter of racism, but a matter of you simply make no sense period.

I have made no assertion , so you pretty much are assuming my thought process which does not bold well for you. You are in turn arguIng/debating yourself. Which is a flaw and if you could not see that then I guess you can not see how you basically discredited yourself.

ok fair enough..do you agree with the article sharinalr? what do you agree with or not and why? i will not personally discredit you by claiming you are drunk if you have no valid response. You are assuming I’m drunk after you claim I’m assuming you agree with the article..ok? Only after you made numerous posts that will lead anybody to conclude that… so the ball is in your court

well..forget it. I is over your head. it is not “your language” clearly. I will agree with that. The sad part is you are so worked up about white racism in the states, the UK or wherever… that you fail to see any flaws with your own ideology. You cannot be hateful, racist, bigoted..whatever it may be because you are black. That is not true. That is your point of view. Your posts clearly indicate you have problems with white people. You may think those are healthy or rational. I assure you they are not and you will not get anything positive out of that mentality.

“You know how it works…the less adequate whites always have to find a way to make themselves feel adequate. I love how they hold on to that “scientific” lie oops truth. LOL”

“You may have mentioned it before and please excuse me for bringing it up again, but in your opinion do you believe blacks can be racist? How do you tell if blacks can be racist?”

just a couple examples made by sharinalr.

i do not think she is consciously hatefull but i do believe she is horribly misled.

The assertions made by her are just opinions. They are not facts or anything close to that. this goes for the article itself and sharinarl’s comments. She claims to know if any given white person is racist but somehow it is impossible to know if a black person is racist because of some flawed logic she uses. She never really explains this. it seems she is so confident in that assertion that it should be a given to any non racist person in her mind.

I still don’t know if this whole article is a prank or for real but i will humor it for now. I have never seen such nonsense and I grew up in a black and hispanic neighborhood.

The article has this cute little equation to tell how racist any given white person is. I believe it was you ask any lucky white person to give a ballpark figure on what percentage he thinks white people in the US are racist. he will then answer for example 20% So you would subtract that number from 100 to get what percent of a stupid racist he is himself. In this case an 80% racist. Wow that is academic eluquence isn’t it? i’m supposed to accept such an absurd little game like this and on top of that all the circular reasoning on article.

You know what circular reasoning is right? Can you explain to me how most of this article is not circular reasoning? Can you explain how that type of logic is acceptable in a debate with any kind of integrity?

Leroy? I have to confess that I love kissing white buttocks! Yes Leroy! I have a key chain with a pair of white buttocks on it so I can kiss it whenever the ‘urge’ hits me. http://www.dramafever.com/st/img/wp/2013/06/tumblr_mnhzlvszeo1r77d89o1_400.jpg
When not being overly obsequious to white folk I spend my time with a white blowup doll named John! That way I can indulge in all the white buttocks kissing in private I can stand!

Leroy you should peruse the willfully obtuse post as you are its’ very definition.

“ok fair enough..do you agree with the article sharinalr?”—Yes, I agree with the post as a tell signs of a racist.

“what do you agree with or not and why?”—I agree with them all minus 7 and 8.

“i will not personally discredit you by claiming you are drunk if you have no valid response. You are assuming I’m drunk after you claim I’m assuming you agree with the article..ok?”—I didn’t assume you were drunk. I asked you a question. Thus the question mark. The reason is because you are making no sense what so ever and if you can not make a simple sense then there is no way a logical or even simple conversation can proceed. Now I could also ask if there is a language barrier.

“well..forget it. I is over your head. it is not “your language” clearly. I will agree with that. The sad part is you are so worked up about white racism in the states, the UK or wherever… that you fail to see any flaws with your own ideology. You cannot be hateful, racist, bigoted..whatever it may be because you are black. That is not true. That is your point of view. Your posts clearly indicate you have problems with white people. You may think those are healthy or rational. I assure you they are not and you will not get anything positive out of that mentality.”—-This paragraph is full of nothing more than assumptions and petty insults. I have made it clear I have issues with certain white people. Particularly racist white people. Perhaps if your ability to comprehend was better you would know that much. 🙂

@Leroy
I am really hope you know the definition of an assertion vs an opinion, but for the time being you quoted one opinion/joke and some questions. Then tried to claim they were my assertion. This is again you trying to attach your assumption or thought process to me. I would hope for better quotes of mine if you are going to claim my thought process. Particularly if you are attempting to claim in in a manner of what is know as mind reading.

“She claims to know if any given white person is racist but somehow it is impossible to know if a black person is racist because of some flawed logic she uses.”—I never claimed to know any given white person is racist to begin with nor have I ever claimed a black person can not be racist. I asked someone else if they believe that. You have a quote showing me asking another. You have nothing supporting that is what I believe. What you are attempting to do is create a connection between my words and what I believe and it is a false connection that does not hold any bearing in logic, because it is not what I believe so much as what you believe I believe. I want to say you are engaging in a logical fallacy, but which one escapes me at this moment.

Aside from assuming what you think I believe, it appears you are trying to argue that good people can not be consider racist (correct me if I am wrong). Whether a person is good or not does not really dictate that they are not racist or not. As racism deals with how they view people as inferior or superior. There belief will dictate how they treat said people. Inadequate whites that have achieved and accomplished nothing, but take the time to ride the coat tails of whites who have achieved are guilty of most of 1 to 11. Some go so far as to be guilty of all.

Now feel free to ask me what I believe rather than continuing this guessing game of what I believe.

Maybe Leroy means that you cannot “confirm” that someone is racist just by observing a few symptoms, as racism is “in the heart”. But, Abagond then refers to it as an “illness” if many symptoms are present. I see why his quick and dirty test might seem silly, but it should not be treated as anything more than a quick and dirty anecdotal test. There is nothing scientific about this post anyway.

But … if that is Leroy’s interpretation of the post, then he might have missed some of the key points. But I agree he should be specific, otherwise everyone would have to second guess what he is thinking.

@Sharina,

They don’t want to be seen as bad.

Hence the need either to run for cover when the r-word surfaces or to fight back with vicious alacrity.

Ideally, they should sit back and listen and ask for clarification, seizing the opportunity for enlightenment.

“I am not racist (in my heart, in the way I feel), but .. blah blah blah (all sorts of racist beliefs and justifications for racist actions).” which permits one to say such statements and think they are true.

Ok George i am sorry but I have to ask one question in accordance to jefe’s post. What are the valid or intelligent points of this article as you so proclaim? now that we sort of decided the that that last game to prove a white person’s racist potential percentage was a joke. which points are not a joke?

btw circular reasoning is when you come up with the conclusion because the conclusion is already in the question. This article is almost all circular reasoning and basically a sad portrayal of paranoia that in which I have true empathy for anyone who can read and think it is anything but a joke. it is sad and disgusting.

One more question for sharinalr.. Have you ever considered yourself racist? Do you think a black person can be racist? Do you have any good logic for how to determine if some random black person is racist? please i need a laugh

I don’t think any of this original post was intended as some sort of joke, including the quick and dirty test at the end.

On the theme, I think everyone in the USA learns racism – it is part of the education system and is in every piece of media out there. It is not conceivably possible to be raised and educated in the USA and not absorb or internalize some racist beliefs.

What is different, is that some people straight out believe what they were taught, and others think there is something wrong with it or at least question it. But even if some of us question some of it, it is near impossible to rid oneself totally from it.

Then there is the situation where some believe the myths and the whitewash, but deny that it has had any impact on them.

I wasn’t asked any question by you or anyone else. Are you referring to Sharina’s statement?

BTW, you did indeed use the black friend’s argument by inserting in your comment that you showed this to a black neighbor who is chuckling, thereby trying to add credibility to your opinion by demonstrating that a black friend agrees with you.

so, indeed, you just used it as an argument (in addition to it being a so-called “fact”).
It is a common broken record argument that has been used thousands of times by commenters on this blog.
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/broken-record-dept/)

Actually it is. It is an argument used usually by in the closet racist to excuse any prejudice or racism they may have. The black friend is a buffer of proof that they are somehow not. It in turn does not prove you are not racist or prejudice or a bigot and because we are online I can only take your word that it is indeed a fact.

In fact you are trying to use his words and what he says as a basis of your argument being more logical or sound. A fail I might add.

AT any rate I see your recent response as a means to deflect from the fact that you had little or no leg to stand on in said argument aside from your assumptions. Now that you can’t make a sound argument on them you see this as a chance to say “Hey I needed a laugh.” Laugh on because the joke is on you.

“I have never met such racist in denial in my life”—Yet no one denied being racist or in denial of it. Except maybe you who tried to argue against it.

“you have to understand that all white people are guilty until proven innocent when it comes to the issue of racism. that’s just how it is.”

The post does not say or imply that. It does not list proofs of innocence or assume that Whites are racist. Instead it lists 11 possible symptoms and then says that three or more indicates one is racist. That is hardly a guilty-till-proven-innocent approach.

“The post does not say or imply that. It does not list proofs of innocence or assume that Whites are racist.”—You can say some whites, certain whites, or racist whites and it all ends up equaling all whites to white people that it actually applies too.

you posters do have an “illness” i would not refute. i am not white. but i guess my skin color doesn’t matter because nobody here sees race in that sort of way..lol…just get a life you morons or mormons or whatever lol. i hope this backwards ideology doesn’t get any more popular.. We have enough illogical people in this country with misguided anger.. just do me a favor and try not to blame all your anger and problems on other people or some fabricated racism dogma. You will not get anywhere with that attitude..believe me. listen to my advice. it is for your own good! people of all races are good and there isn’t vast underground or conspiracy of racism happening…just let the anger go..breath..get a massage..get laid.etc and try to think clearly..remember breath…then think

Whether you are black or white or even Asian does not make what you say hold any more credibility. Especially when all you are doing is assuming and crying foul. You seem more angry by the post than anyone here who has commented so I wager you might want to take your own advice. I hear meditation is good.

Furthermore you are throwing in a nice straw man as no one said there are not good people of other races, but the argument or the point of the post was not to dispute good people. It was to call out racist people.

You are correct in the idea of there being too many illogical people, which is why you may want to consider a therapist or someone of the professional nature as your level of assumptions are not one that can be pointed out with logic. 🙂

this whole article is an assumption and all your posts are assumption..are you kidding me? please just take my advice. give up the racism game. it is stupid. .Al Sharpton is enough for this whole country to deal with…just give a a break. let it go..breath

In order for something to be an assumption it must be accepted as true without proof. Most of these commenters have experienced these things from racist individuals, but that is more deflection from the fact that all you have done is assume and cry foul.

And what racist game is that? Calling out racism when it is seen? I swear some people keep up with Al Sharpton more than any black person I know. Odd.

my experience with other races is somehow invalid? based on what? I took you a while to come up with that comeback. That comeback is completely invalid as it assumes my experience in invalid. any ancedotal evidence is always just that..one persons experience and of course as you know nobody here has any preconceived notions or personal prejudices that may skew their view of the actions of a person of another race. of course not..that would just be an assumption..an assertion..lol….got anymore pieces of enlightening racial information for me to laugh abut?

I thought that question was not posed for me, but for George, but I see that it could have been directed at me.

I think he missed the point by making the post about something it is not, ie

try not to blame all your anger and problems on other people or some fabricated racism dogma.

I didn’t see that in the post, so I don’t know how it extrapolated there.

I think the post is actually very simple, ie,

– Racism is defined (for the purposes of this post) as a belief, not a feeling (or something in one’s heart).
– (Implied) People (esp. white people) usually deny, do not believe, or do not admit they are racist – hence a simple test to help us evaluate
– Signs and symptoms that may indicate that a white person is harbouring some racist beliefs towards blacks
– if many signs and symptoms appear, then the situation is probably serious (Abagond uses the word “ill”).

That is about it.

It did not say whites were uniquely racist.
It did not say all whites were bad (or ill); it didn’t even say that whites were racist.
It did not say that certain people are blaming their lot in life purely on certain other people.
And it certainly is not portraying racism as a game.

–> it did not assume any of these things.

Yes, I agree that by implying the post is about something else (which is being depicted as ridiculous), and then tearing that down, he is trying to use a straw man argument, plus some broken record arguments. So, he either
– did not read the post
– missed the point of the post
– feeling miffed about something, so needs to try to tear it apart (expressly using a straw man argument); or
– is being willfully obtuse.

Where on earth did you say that Leroy’s “experience with other races is somehow invalid?” Where would he get that? you never said that anyone’s experience was invalid. Unless he is projecting that others’ experiences are somehow invalid. Then it is a case of symptom #6 above.

“my experience with other races is somehow invalid?”—Who says your experience are invalid? There was little or no talk of your experiences as it was greatly overshadowed by you assuming what other people think and or believe. However since you want to bring up your experiences now then the questions becomes what makes your more valid or logical than anothers?

“I took you a while to come up with that comeback.”—It is called most people in here are either not in the states or they actually have a life outside of commenting. Do you think yourself special enough for instant responses at your leisure? I would hope not as I do have things to do.

“as you know nobody here has any preconceived notions or personal prejudices that may skew their view of the actions of a person of another race”—Is this another assumption of yours? I hope you realize that gets you nowhere.

“.got anymore pieces of enlightening racial information for me to laugh abut?”—You are free to laugh, but it really highlights your inability to really address the subject matter at hand.

Since racism was expressly defined as a belief, not as something that one harbours in one’s heart, the only assumption I see is that the observation that one believes something is an indication that they actually believe that thing.

For example, assuming that an observation that a person believes certain stereotypes about blacks indicates that they actually believe them. I suppose it is theoretically possible to express a belief in a stereotype and not actually believe it. — assuming that when they say that Blacks are imagining racism that they actually believe that blacks are imagining it. It could be theoretically possible that they express a belief that they don’t actually hold.

The article being a projection, joke, or whatever set of words you have decided it is sets aside you being those things how? The difference here is that the author also wrote a post saying he is racist. So really lacking that leg to stand on more and more.

I am not the author dear. In fact the author has greatly responded to much of your nonsense in which you have chosen to just ignore him. Then again I can’t say you are not short of intellectual dishonesty.

At any rate a person who can admit to have a problem is much more credible than a person who continues to try to lie about it. You can’t fix a problem if there is a refusal to admit that there is one.

“your ideology would be more funny if it wasn’t so tired.”—Well we can discuss my ideology once it can be established what it is. At this moment you are assuming and failing at that.

if somebody has a problem with being racist that is their personal business. That is not my business or any other random person even if they are white. This is the definition of projection. You and the author claim you have harbored racist thoughts that bothered you? well now..so you want to have a crusade now to find all the white racist everywhere? You don not see how self rightgeous and crazy that is? You are assuming other people are racist through your own skewed glass to feed you ego. to somehow make your racist past go away. This is sick. i think I’m going to throw up. Painfully sick people here living in a world of confusion and hurt. I am done..for real

“This is the definition of projection.”—There are a few definitions of projection and none of them are what you have claimed it to be. One form of projection is when something applies to a person, but instead of admitting it they try to claim it is the other person. The link contains said definition.

“You and the author claim you have harbored racist thoughts that bothered you? well now..so you want to have a crusade now to find all the white racist everywhere?”—I don’t go on crusades to find racist people anywhere. Whether they be white, black, or Asian. You are the only person making it about white people as I have made it very clear my idea of racist people.

“You don not see how self rightgeous and crazy that is?”—I would ask if you see how delusional it is that you keep attributing your ideas and thoughts to my post, but here we are. I am not assuming a person is racist, but I gather more information by further communication with them. If a person is calling me a racial slur then the assumption of racism is over. You are using that faulty logic again.

“remember, you aren’t the king of all white people & this post ISN’T ABOUT YOU.”—-I have to disagree as I believe the post is about white people that it applies to. This allows them to take a look at things they may do and really evaluate the level of racism they may or may not have.

I am not white..wow you guys are really hung up on race..it is everything to you. an article claiming these are the guidlines if a certain person of a certain race is racist is about everybody in this country not just whites or blacks….what a load of bs….everything is race…you are so hell bent on finding out my race..but somehow you are not racist?

No one is hell bent on finding out anything about you, but based on what you said above makes one wonder if you are not just a straight liar. Linda quoted your very words. If you are not white then why would you say:

“How to tell if a white person is racist” then tell me it is not about me.”

I didn’t contradict myself.. I said that an article claiming some race is racist be these guidelines is for EVERY race! so if I’m not white i cannot be offended about such bs? You guys are just on a witch hunt..you have your scope set on white…not asian ,,not hispanic ..certainly not black. Everything is based on race. Its like leeches that can only live off supposed or perceived white racism.

i am from the Philippines and you people are crazy. nobody here deserved to know that. Can you see you maybe just a little how sick you guys are? i have to get the hell out of here…yes I am angry now..angry you people are so hateful and stupid.

ok here’s the thing. if what you say is true.That this article is written by a so-called reformed white racist. Then in that case it is the most condescending things I ever have read. Black people don’t need a white person to tell them when other white people are racist. Then in itself is pretty racist. It is in the least very condescending and not written for the reason to help any black people. It is written out of anger. most likley there are no reformed skin heads or what have you wring such an article. This article is written from a stand point of hate. it is not for the reason the help any sort of racial issues. There are also no reformed mormons here. There is only a black women who has problems with white people. To make up a story that she is a reformed racist. then have an avatar of a cut off head with a person with black arms.Now she wants to claim that white people must fess up to thier racism becasue she ddi as a mormom? and somehow she is still a mormom? She is not a reformed anything. Now finally as I knew it would come out sooner or later somebody is calling me a racist. LOL that has no effect on me. I know who i am. I know I’m not a racist. You cannot shut down my speech by that nonsense.

a lot of Black people don’t care about Al Sharpton..this is probably true.

however he does cause more racial unrest and racial hatred through his influence as can articles like this.