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i think homura really
is madoka. it would explain why there's no present!homura. but i wonder, if madoka/homura died in the end..bec. if yes, how was she able to return in time? is madoka/homura's parents the main reason why she wants to stop herself from becoming an MG? Was she the Only One who remained in the future? she's like the new eve then? Aarggh! I WANT EP 10 ASAP!!

i think homura really
is madoka. it would explain why there's no present!homura. but i wonder, if madoka/homura died in the end..bec. if yes, how was she able to return in time? is madoka/homura's parents the main reason why she wants to stop herself from becoming an MG? Was she the Only One who remained in the future? she's like the new eve then? Aarggh! I WANT EP 10 ASAP!!

I have a theory here. Put in spoiler space to save space.

Spoiler for Extension off of Archer Theory:

Maybe Madoka, in the original timeline, did become a witch. However, maybe Madoka actually found a way to free her soul from her witch-form and created a new body for her soul to inhabit. Out of love and admiration for her mother, Madoka created a body that looked a bit like a younger teenage version of her mom.

Her original body was left lifeless, just as Sayaka's was in Episode 9. As far as Madoka's parents knew, their daughter had suddenly died from some weird unknown cause. They likely buried her body, and held a funeral for her, all while Madoka's soul fought to free itself from the witch form.

After creating a new body for herself, the body we recognize as "Homura", Madoka went to her parent's house and saw how sad and devastated they were by the passing of Madoka, by her original body's death. She may have seen Hitomi and/or Sayaka continue on with life as normal, having seemingly forgotten all about Madoka.

It's possible that Madoka (in her new "Homura" body) tried to convince her parents and/or her friends that she was Madoka, only in a different body. They probably thought this was some very sick strange girl playing a particularly nasty prank.

So nobody believed Madoka, and Madoka became isolated and very lonely, totally cut off from her family, her friends, and even society at large. As far as the world was concerned, Madoka was dead and the Madoka in the new body was a non-entity. Feeling like she had completely lost her true identity, Madoka chose a "cool" new name for herself and her new body, as a means of coping with events and helping herself move forward in life. She chose the name "Homura". Homura then decided to go back in time to prevent these horrible events from ever occurring.

This would explain all of the following:

1. Homura doesn't consider herself human. This is because she kind of isn't any more. Her body is an artificial synthetic construct of sorts.

2. In episode 1, Homura grimaced when Madoka commented on how cool and unusual Homura's name is. This may be a painful reminder to Homura of what she has lost in becoming Homura, as it relates back to why she chose the name Homura for herself.

3. Homura notably grimaces during some of her tense confrontations with Mami. This may be because Homura was close to Mami in the original timeline (when Homura was still Madoka) and hence hates to now be at odds with Mami.

4. Homura showed caring towards Sayaka in Episode 6 (rushing after Sayaka's soul gem to save it). However, she also displays a certain degree of resentment towards Sayaka, in my opinion. Taken together, these look like the actions of a jilted friend. In other words, there's residual feelings of friendship for Sayaka, but they are soured considerably by how Homura saw Sayaka forget about Madoka in the original timeline.

5. Sayaka forgetting about Madoka in the original timeline could also play in nicely to how Homura reacted to Madoka's claim of "I will never forget Mami!" in the current timeline.

6. It would explain Homura's "irregular nature", as a magical girl that's successfully passed through the witch phase into a completely new phase.

7. This in turn would explain how Homura was not as confident as Kyubey was of the inevitable failure of Kyoko's attempt to rescue Sayaka (evidenced by Homura questioning Kyubey about it). Since Homura was able to somewhat recover from being a witch, perhaps she held out some small glimmer of hope that Sayaka would too.

8. Kyubey said that Madoka's magical girl potential was unrivaled, and that she could even "change the laws of nature". Well, that could explain how Homura was able to recover from her witch form.

9. Homura stated in Episode 7 that there were some things that she didn't reveal to Madoka because she didn't think Madoka would believe her. This would be consistent with the disbelief that Homura ran into from Hitomi, Sayaka, and/or her parents in the original timeline.

Well, there you go. A somewhat "out there" theory, but it fits the facts at least, I think.

I think the biggest question would be Madoka's dream vision at the beginning of ep1. It was almost a vision of the future. How could a supposedly ordinary girl have a vision? It's too specific to be a concidence, especially in a story where the writer places details in for a specific reason.

Somehow Madoka is connected to a future self where she is already a Puella Magi. The new magazine scans aren't a big revelation, because the opening sequence showed two Madokas. Perhaps it is possible for Madoka to awaken to her powers without a contract with Kyubey.

The Archer theory doesn't exactly fit, because Archer was a character who regretted his past, and sought to destroy himself to prevent his own future from happening. The Puella Magi Madoka seems like a guardian angel who gives the human Madoka the power she needs to make her hopes come true.

I think the biggest question would be Madoka's dream vision at the beginning of ep1. It was almost a vision of the future. How could a supposedly ordinary girl have a vision? It's too specific to be a concidence, especially in a story where the writer places details in for a specific reason.

Somehow Madoka is connected to a future self where she is already a Puella Magi. The new magazine scans aren't a big revelation, because the opening sequence showed two Madokas. Perhaps it is possible for Madoka to awaken to her powers without a contract with Kyubey.

The Archer theory doesn't exactly fit, because Archer was a character who regretted his past, and sought to destroy himself to prevent his own future from happening. The Puella Magi Madoka seems like a guardian angel who gives the human Madoka the power she needs to make her hopes come true.

Well, I don't think that people are saying that Homura is exactly to Madoka what Archer was to Shirou, just that you have the same "future self with different identity traveling into the past in order to change it" thing going on.

Unless ep10 reveals Homura to be a much, much kinder person, I don't see her being a future Madoka. She does not care about anyone but Madoka, while Madoka cares about everyone. Homura doesn't always help Madoka either.

Unless ep10 reveals Homura to be a much, much kinder person, I don't see her being a future Madoka. She does not care about anyone but Madoka, while Madoka cares about everyone. Homura doesn't always help Madoka either.

That's one of the key problems with the "Homura = future Madoka" theory, yeah.

However, going by my extension off of it, maybe becoming a witch truly twisted original Madoka into the Homura that she is now. :shrug:

Alternatively, the reason Homura (future Madoka) is so obsessed with present Madoka is that she knows exactly how horrible things will get if she turns into a witch. Let's say your theory is true, Madoka turned into a witch, and murders a huge amount of people or nearly destroys the world. It's possible Homura's focusing on her present self because she sees her as by far the biggest threat and number one thing to stop.

Or maybe this Madoka has a cynical view of the world for different reasons. She may have gone through these events multiple times, or what Triple_R said happened, or maybe there's other reason. But it's not impossible for Madoka to have lost her kind nature due to events we don't know yet. She's shown hints of concern after all, for Mami when she died (and before she fought Charlotte), and for Kyoko when she knew she was going to get herself killed.

"Please first just watch episode 10. You'll see Homura in a much better light. And for any viewers out there who have been recording the whole thing, please watch the first episode before episodes 11 and 12. It'll totally look like two completely different shows. I think that's pretty cool. It's as if the first time you watched it you were completely fooled. But the good kind of fooled...maybe. Please watch all the way to the end. And set the bar high. This show will definitely surpass that."

What Kazu-kun translated there would fit the Archer theory, I think. If the Archer theory is correct, everybody who can should definitely re-watch the 1st episode, just for all the "Aha!" moments it'll give with little clues being realized.

However, what Kazu-kun translated could allude to something even more compelling. Something perhaps that hasn't even been speculated yet. Given the entropy reveal, that is genuinely possible.

Please watch all the way to the end. And set the bar high. This show will definitely surpass that.

I'm remembering that quote,because that's quite some confidence they're showing.And if it turns out it's just madoka=homura then no they won't surpass my expectation,people have been speculating that since episode 1

There is definatly a connection though,homura's soulgem is pink afterall,I just hope it's more complex than Homura=Madoka,it wouldn't ruin the show for me,not even close,but it definatly wouldn't "wow" me.

Of course I've already rewatched episode 1 and 2 a few times,maybe I wouldn't be saaying this if I hadn't.

I'm remembering that quote,because that's quite some confidence they're showing.And if it turns out it's just madoka=homura then no they won't surpass my expectation,people have been speculating that since episode 1

There is definatly a connection though,homura's soulgem is pink afterall,I just hope it's more complex than Homura=Madoka,it wouldn't ruin the show for me,not even close,but it definatly wouldn't "wow" me.

Of course I've already rewatched episode 1 and 2 a few times,maybe I wouldn't be saaying this if I hadn't.

What? I thought Homura's Soul Gem was purple.

I think Homura is just MG Madoka's friend from another time. From teaching her how to fight to how to protect others, Homura was Madoka's ally. However, Madoka met a tragic end, and Homura is in grief. She becomes a bit cynical and resigns only to protect Madoka in the past and nobody else. Ep10 will probably show us why she cares about Madoka so much, and that Homura protecting Madoka not just because of a future she regrets, but because she truly cares about Madoka.

I'm remembering that quote,because that's quite some confidence they're showing.And if it turns out it's just madoka=homura then no they won't surpass my expectation,people have been speculating that since episode 1

There is definatly a connection though,homura's soulgem is pink afterall,I just hope it's more complex than Homura=Madoka,it wouldn't ruin the show for me,not even close,but it definatly wouldn't "wow" me.

Of course I've already rewatched episode 1 and 2 a few times,maybe I wouldn't be saaying this if I hadn't.

The same applies to me.

It's only through rewatching Episodes 1 and 3, and paying closer attention to the OP, that the Archer Theory even occurred to me (keep in mind that I wasn't following all the posters and sites putting forward the Archer theory before then). There's these tiny little hints in Episode 1 that may just perplex a person on first viewing, but kind of pop out at you on second viewing if you watch them with "Maybe Homura is future Madoka" in mind.

I'd be quite satisfied if the Archer Theory ends up being correct. It would wow some viewers, just not the folks who engage the most in series speculations, like we do.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, and I'll (probably) be happy with that as well.

It's only through rewatching Episodes 1 and 3, and paying closer attention to the OP, that the Archer Theory even occurred to me (keep in mind that I wasn't following all the posters and sites putting forward the Archer theory before then). There's these tiny little hints in Episode 1 that may just perplex a person on first viewing, but kind of pop out at you on second viewing if you watch them with "Maybe Homura is future Madoka" in mind.

I'd be quite satisfied if the Archer Theory ends up being correct. It would wow some viewers, just not the folks who engage the most in series speculations, like we do.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, and I'll (probably) be happy with that as well.

The main thing that set all "Homura might be Madoka" alarms off for me was the pink soul gem. And then the fact that checking official art...you can find out that they both use bows as their weapon of choice. So there's more supporting evidence for your theory, in case you momentarily forgot about it...

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see that the pink soul gem thing was in the post you answered. The bow still applies, though.

I think Homura is just MG Madoka's friend from another time. From teaching her how to fight to how to protect others, Homura was Madoka's ally. However, Madoka met a tragic end, and Homura is in grief. She becomes a bit cynical and resigns only to protect Madoka in the past.

Think about this. In episode 7, when Madoka told Homura she would like to do something for Sayaka because Sayaka's her friend and saved her before, Homura said, don't mix gratitude with responsibility...

Considering that, if Homura was just a friend that wanted to save Madoka out of friendship and gratitude, she would be a fucking hypocrite for saying that to Madoka in episode 7. I don't think she's like that and I definitely don't think this line was just coincidence...

After 9 episodes I'm pretty convinced Homura isn't like that. Homura definitely loves Madoka, but she's trying to save her no just out of friendship but also because it's her responsibility somehow. So forcibly she has to be either Madoka herself, or someone from her family (like her mother or daughter), or a part of Madoka herself (like a familiar) but definitely not just a friend.

It's only through rewatching Episodes 1 and 3, and paying closer attention to the OP, that the Archer Theory even occurred to me (keep in mind that I wasn't following all the posters and sites putting forward the Archer theory before then). There's these tiny little hints in Episode 1 that may just perplex a person on first viewing, but kind of pop out at you on second viewing if you watch them with "Maybe Homura is future Madoka" in mind.

For sure, the series has done a great job in creating suspense and speculation. Of course, someone will figure out the suspense and foreshadowing ahead of time. However, it takes good story writing skills to get people to even think and speculate about the suspense and foreshadowing. The fact the creators managed to get you thinking is a sign of skill from the creators.

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see that the pink soul gem thing was in the post you answered. The bow still applies, though.

Good point on the bow. That's a pretty big piece of supporting evidence there, yeah.

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Think about this. In episode 7, when Madoka told Homura she would like to do something for Sayaka because Sayaka's her friend and saved her before, Homura said, don't mix gratitude with responsibility...

Considering that, if Homura was just a friend that wanted to save Madoka out of friendship and gratitude, she would be a fucking hypocrite for saying that to Madoka in episode 7. I don't think she's like that and I definitely don't think this line was just coincidence...

After 9 episodes I'm pretty convinced Homura isn't like that. Homura definitely loves Madoka, but she's trying to save her no just out of friendship but also because it's her responsibility somehow. So forcibly she has to be either Madoka herself, or someone from her family (like her mother or daughter), or a part of Madoka herself (like a familiar) but definitely not just a friend.

Just my two cents, but I'm calling it!!

Very good observations. Homura as Madoka's daughter is a fascinating idea, that I've never encountered before. Now that would wow a lot of people, even most people on this board I think. It would mean, though, that Madoka lasted a long time as a magical girl before becoming a witch - long enough to actually become pregnant and give birth to Homura.

Also makes me wonder who the father might be, lol.

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Originally Posted by MaiNoKen

For sure, the series has done a great job in creating suspense and speculation. Of course, someone will figure out the suspense and foreshadowing ahead of time. However, it takes good story writing skills to get people to even think and speculate about the suspense and foreshadowing. The fact the creators managed to get you thinking is a sign of skill from the creators.