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Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

Okay, if DJ Augustin were playing for the Lakers, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, Knicks, Nets, Clippers, Bulls, or Nuggets, he would make the skeptic's perceived Darren Collison take a **** on himself. Augustin made the LOLCATS look good last year, and now he plays for a better team, and his stock drops.

Oh, Mahinmi's effort vs. Amundson's doesn't prove to you that Mahinmi's good? Did you neither see nor hear nor read any of the reviews, highlights, or discussion of how much upside these guys have? Mahinmi has, what, 3 inches on Looooouuuuuu, but his athleticism, length, and defensive presence does nothing for you?

Hey, what has two legs, a head full of hype and helium, and costs $100k more, yet is 5 years younger than Dahntay Jones?
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Like Jones, Green met his NBA rebirth after a stint in the D-League. Green was a prodigy coming out of high school, but lacked intangibles to be a productive player. Jones spent the last two seasons trying to perfect that corner 3-pointer that he constantly shot, but rarely made (at least until the latter half of 2012 season). His defense is tenacious, yes; but Green's effort, talent, and ability to be a major scoring option off the bench are skills/factors that Jones lacks.

Is he young? Yes. Is he still getting accustomed to his new team, new teammates, new coaching staff, and new life? Probably. Are we only 3.658536585% through the regular season and people are jumping to conclusions? Absolutely. This is PacerNation. I'm sure there are several in tears over not having Fez this year, even though his spot was so easily taken by a combination of Pendergraph and Ben Hansbrough.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

I think once the team gets used to each other we will be noticeably better than last year. There is definitely more talent on this team, that's for sure. Yes, it is true that this team does not rely on one player, but not having Danny messes up the way this team works. Having Danny causes the defense to focus more on him which allows for the rest of our starters to get easier shots. Not having him messes a lot of stuff up. The second unit isn't what it should be because Vogel is forced to start Green who wasn't expecting to come in here and start. The guy came off the bench for the lowly Nets last year and is now starting on a playoff team so I think it's natural for him to be kinda nervous or thrown off. He had a solid game last night and I think it will get better as time goes on. We'll probably keep having close games until Danny gets back, but as long as we win more than we lose we should be fine. Once Danny gets back everything should fall into place and everybody will have forgotten about our early struggles. Like people have been saying... all teams struggle with significant roster changes at first. Look at the Heat when they were first assembled, look at the Lakers right now... I think we'll be ok.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

An awful lot of people dismissing the idea, but DC was a starting level point guard that was better than his stats showed because of a poor offense. Now with a coach that puts guys in the best positions to succeed he looks like a stud.

We lost out because of our coaching, plain and simple. Losing DC was a huge blow.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

An awful lot of people dismissing the idea, but DC was a starting level point guard that was better than his stats showed because of a poor offense. Now with a coach that puts guys in the best positions to succeed he looks like a stud.

We lost out because of our coaching, plain and simple. Losing DC was a huge blow.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

The players we lost are, or will be, journeymen. The players we gained are, or will be, journeymen. It's a wash. Nothing significant was gained or lost.

That isn't true. Collison was the Pacers starter for 50 plus games last year only losing his starting PG spot due to an injury. The Pacers had a good record with DC a starter. Is DC not starting in Dallas now? Not to mention Augustin was a starter on the Bobcats last year and under Brown at times with Felton there.

Your comment about journeyman being replaced by journeyman is misleading, b/c the quality of the journeyman the Pacers got, Green and Mahinmi, are better than the journeyman, Lou and Dahntay, the Pacers lost.

W/o a doubt the Pacers upgraded their bench with Green, Augustin, and Mahinmi. Unfortunately, the Pacers gave 4 year guaranteed contracts to Green and Mahinmi. IMO, that wasn't a smart move. The last 2 years of the contract should have been Team Options just in case they player didn't work out.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

I'm going more off what they did last season. Green was a double figure scorer, something DJ could never do, Mahinmi has size and was an important piece for DAL championship team--something Lou couldn't give. DC is prob better than DJ, but he wasn't better than Hill so it wasn't like he was going to play A LOT.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

I'm going more off what they did last season. Green was a double figure scorer, something DJ could never do, Mahinmi has size and was an important piece for DAL championship team--something Lou couldn't give. DC is prob better than DJ, but he wasn't better than Hill so it wasn't like he was going to play A LOT.

I'm also going for what they have done in their careers is not like they are some rookies or anything like that, I'm going off Ian's bench play in Dallas. Green's 31 good games in five years and Augustin starting with the Bobcats.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

Yeah, I hate how everyone hypes Boston up. They haven't proven anything. I feel like everybody bases their opinions off of Boston on their history, but we gotta look at the present and right now we're 2-1, they're 1-2.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

I'm also going for what they have done in their careers is not like they are some rookies or anything like that, I'm going off Ian's bench play in Dallas. Green's 31 good games in five years and Augustin starting with the Bobcats.

True but it's not like the guys they replaced had stellar careers themselves lol.

Re: Right Now I Miss Every Player We Got Rid Of

True but it's not like the guys they replaced had stellar careers themselves lol.

They replaced a former 6th man of the year in Barbosa, a guy that was considered one of the best defenders in the NBA in DJ, one of the best backup point guards in the league in DC and a pretty decent and cheap PF/C in Lou, in reality that group was not as bad as many believe and yes they sucked against Lebron and Dwade, let me know what bench doesn't.