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Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Originally Posted by Bogard

Raikage: "I'm the fastest shinobi now that the 4th has passed away"

Raikage: "He avoided my full speed?"

Raikage: "You're the second person to dodge my top full-speed" refering to Minato as the first one. He fought Sasuke before this moment, but didn't actually consider that Sasuke dodged his speed which means he didn't use his full speed at that moment against Sasuke

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto
considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes above that of minato's combined with his superior foot speed.
back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even though he had improved :shrug:

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Originally Posted by Sexy Steel

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto
considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes about that if minato's combined with his superior speed.
back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even thought he had improved :shrug:

look at this

again this all ties back to whether he had v2 back then

Thing is Minato has unrivalled Reflex's and naruto could even dodge his V2... So it's not sweet for Minato .. V1 was a walk in the park for him... V2 will be the same result ...

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Thing is Minato has unrivalled Reflex's and naruto could even dodge his V2... So it's not sweet for Minato .. V1 was a walk in the park for him... V2 will be the same result ...

some people have said that his head band was preventing his hair from spiking up which is possible, minato had good reflex's but i think naruto's his better, his foot speed which is faster than raikage's speed as a whole combined with his pre-cog (sensing violent intentions) i think is above that of minato's

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto

Ao was able to follow A? When?

considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes above that of minato's combined with his superior foot speed.

I don't think Narutos reflexes are on par with Minato. I actually believe the contrary especially when i see how easily Naruto gets caught by his opponents some times, in same positions where i don't see Minato get caught

back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even thought he had improved :shrug:

And again, all what you say just comes from your imagination. Actually if i were to go with my imagination, i could also say that in the contrary, Raikages speed decreased with time. Don't forget he is old after all(Naruto refered to him as a old grandpa), i can say that he probably didn't even had time to train because of his new function as Kage, so he was sometimes out of shape but i've no proof about it. Raikage in the contrary can show us that proof since he is the first concerned about it. He knows if he improved his full speed or not. Sasuke dodged his punch, but A never refered to him, which means A wasn't going with his full speed. In the contrary he says that Minato and Naruto are the only one who were able to do so

look at this

again this all ties back to whether he had v2 back then

You know that in the fight against Minato, he had a headband, right? Something he didn't had anymore either against Sasuke or Naruto. The headband is supposed to catch the hair. So how can you compare the difference in hair between Raikage with headband and without it?

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Originally Posted by Bogard

Ao was able to follow A? When?

I don't think Narutos reflexes are on par with Minato. I actually believe the contrary especially when i see how easily Naruto gets caught by his opponents some times, in same positions where i don't see Minato get caught

And again, all what you say just comes from your imagination. Actually if i were to go with my imagination, i could also say that in the contrary, Raikages speed decreased with time. Don't forget he is old after all(Naruto refered to him as a old grandpa), i can say that he probably didn't even had time to train because of his new function as Kage, so he was sometimes out of shape but i've no proof about it. Raikage in the contrary can show us that proof since he is the first concerned about it. He knows if he improved his full speed or not. Sasuke dodged his punch, but A never refered to him, which means A wasn't going with his full speed. In the contrary he says that Minato and Naruto are the only one who were able to do so

You know that in the fight against Minato, he had a headband, right? Something he didn't had anymore either against Sasuke or Naruto. The headband is supposed to catch the hair. So how can you compare the difference in hair between Raikage with headband and without it?

i never mentioned A i said v1 (something 3 raikage used?)
naruto's is better, he has precog and better foot speed then A, meaning before raikage even moves he can already counter act. Minato on the other hand reacted when A was a few inches away
naruto can react before A moves a muscle, minato reacted when A was a few inches before he reacted (throwing the kunai)

i don;t think A got slower, it's like saying A got weaker cuz he aged

the head band still is argueable at least the bottom of his hair should move up a little, but the head band does count for something.

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Originally Posted by Bogard

Raikage: "He avoided my full speed?"

Raikage: "You're the second person to dodge my top full-speed" refering to Minato as the first one. He fought Sasuke before this moment, but didn't actually consider that Sasuke dodged his speed which means he didn't use his full speed at that moment against Sasuke

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

naruto's is better, he has precog and better foot speed then A, mening before raikage even move he can already counter act. Minato on the other hand reacted when A was a few inches away

You can have every sensing abilities you want, but if your body is not able to react, it's useless. The time he recognise a danger with his sensing abilities, it can already be impossible for him to dodge. That's why he got pushed back in multiple occasions by A, when this same A could not even touch Minato. He also almost got warped in multiple occasions by Tobi, when this same Tobi couldn't even touch Minato, etc

naruto can react before A move a muscle, minato reacted when A was a few inches before he reacted (throwing the kunai)

What you seems not to realise is that the fact Minato reacted when A was a few inches before him actually shows that A is slow in comparison to Minato. How can Minato actually know exactly when to throw his kunai? Why didn't he throw it before that moment? Why didn't he throw it after that moment(and get punched). He perfectly got the timing right, he threw it exactly when Raikage was infront of him. That is really insane, and shows like i've said, that A is slow in comparison to Minato

i don;t think A got slower, it's like saying A got weaker cuz he aged

Like i also don't think he got faster simply because it's your imagination like i've said. You've actually no proof about what you're saying. Imagine things is easy, that's why i can also imagine that he got slower. But like i've said that first concerned is Raikage. He is the one to know whether he got slower or faster and he said nothing about it. He said in the contrary that both Minato and Naruto dodged his full speed. He didn't even had a thought about Sasuke. Actually i think that V1 is more like his banal speed. Even Suigetsu was able to keep up with him at the begin of the fight

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

Originally Posted by Bogard

Raikage: "I'm the fastest shinobi now that the 4th has passed away"

Raikage: "He avoided my full speed?"

Raikage: "You're the second person to dodge my top full-speed" refering to Minato as the first one. He fought Sasuke before this moment, but didn't actually consider that Sasuke dodged his speed which means he didn't use his full speed at that moment against Sasuke

This ^^
Come on, raikage admitted that he is the fastest since minato is dead,(and he had the V2 when he admitted this)
Minato is faster than A. Teleportation > speed

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

BEFORE THE MINATO FANBOYS START FLAMING AND SAYING THAT A ADMITTED INFERIORITY READ FIRST !

here A uses v1 lightning amour, notice his hair is all-back.

same thing over here.

Then there is v2 look at the middle of the panel in the scan below

You see his hair spike up, and at this point, raikage's speed increased significantly (combined with shushin of course)

more scans

you see his hair is still spiked up because he is in v2 lightning amour, which is significantly faster then v1

But against minato we only saw him use v1 lightning amour

we also see here that minato just in a nick of time escapes A's punch, but with the enhanced speed of v2 would he have landed a hit on minato ? would minato's reflexes save him this time?
It can be said that A in the past did not have v2 which was why he was unable to land a hit but would he be able to if he had v2 ?

this is just my assumption no flaming allowed, *puts on flameproof jacket*

Sorry but that was definitely V2. A's hair spikes up wihen using V2 and it clearly did when trying to blitz Minato.

Obviously it didn't fully spike up due to his headband, but nonetheless it did. And as others have said, A told Naruto that he was only the 2nd person to dodge his "full speed" with Minato being the first.

Re: [Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

If minato was still alive to the point where A had his V2 mode(assuming he didn't have it then) minato would of probably made FTG even better always being 1 step of speed ahead of A. But if they were to fight with A in v2 im pretty sure minato would still be faster since he teleports and A has to actually move from point A to point B while minato instantly transports.