Steve,
Dude! They are Space Marine Intercessor and Inceptor Squads. For the love of God, PLEASE stop saying "incester" as this is a family friendly website and that is the WRONG kind of friendly family.

@Unpure Scout bikes have the twin bolters on their bikes and can have shotguns, combat knives(+1A in CC) and a storm bolter on the sarge. This gives 24 s4 shots at 12" range for just 3 models that move 16" with 7 CC attacks.

What's not to love in this edition where a 4 save is far superior to what it was in the last edition and 2 Wounds?

You said Movement 6" for the landspeeders; was that a mistake or are rhinos really twice as fast as them?

Also, and anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm off-base on this, but it feels like in this edition Space Marines are just the best at everything, far and above any other army, with no discernible weaknesses. They have: the strongest basic troops; the highest variety of weapons; the most damaging weapons; the best armour, and the most models that can get a 2+; the fastest vehicles... just everything. And at pretty sweet bargains in terms of both points and power (especially power, where all upgrades are free). That isn't to say that none of the other armies have none of those things, just that SM have all of them. Like, I just started rolling my eyes as Steve was listing off all the things Guilliman does for 350 points. Am I just bellyaching, or is this kind of an unfair playing field for anyone who isn't SM?

I agree with the scout bikers which is sad. as I love them in 7th they are a core unit in my Raven Guard. hopefully when the full codex drops they be more interesting, same goes for the land speeder storm

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