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Because no updates were made to the database. Check preferences to see what version you are running.

Ok, I know there were no changes made to the database, hence it still shows default database, but I just presumed it would show up as version 12.1.0 since that it was the update name is and therefore it is simple for users to see it is updated!

-opposition scores a lot of goals from set pieces, especially from the corner cheat (near post distribution, player attacks it and scores). When I try to apply the same corner tactic to balance things out, it doesn’t work. (I could be wrong but it seems that opposition through balls are a lot more effective, resulting in a lot of goals conceded , making my defence look horrible).
-team talks have changed 180 degrees.(Neil Brock said it has very little influence on final result, if so why did you temper with them?).If you can’t find proper balance to a feature, it’s a lot better to make it extremely easy to use than extremely hard to use. You went from an extreme to the other and in the wrong direction .
Example: started game with Malaga and as experience I chose “professional footballer”. I could barely get a reaction(positive or negative) from a couple of players , no matter what I said in any of the phases of a match.
-you can’t adjust budget when you want to, and wind up severely disadvantaged on the transfer market.

I am in the year 2023 in the Croatian first league and the league still has 27 games and a new patch is supposed to fix it.
I expect a new stadium and I have a very good team for which I have struggled all these years. and how I see the patch only works if
I start from scratch. I do not wish to do this because I am not to blame for that. that's what your problem is not the entire year have not worked so now saving with patchis.
why can not do that that it worked in 2023 in the old save game. I paid money for this game and I expect I get what I paid.
I WANT ANSWER ON MY QUESTION

The competitions are setup at the start of a new game and so for any format or rule changes made in an Update it requires a new game for them to work, otherwise it would lead to save game compatibility issues.

The opposition aren't using the corner cheat, their instructions have just been improved to match the sorts of goals human managers get from set pieces without cheating

From my, and others, experiences the opposition scores a lot of goals from set pieces, especially from the corner cheat. I also found i score less from set pieces, and after trying to balence the ratio of goals received to scored from set pieces with the corner cheat i scored almost none.

If the players have larger reputations than you do, you'll find it very hard to command their respect, which is as it should be.

I agree with this part, but it doesn't explain why i get at most 4 reactions from team talks and most of them bad. Why are players with lower reputations than mine unaffected (have no reaction at all)?

Thanks Neil Brock (and Ackter) for your repplys, but my opinion is that teamtalks were better before (and the development team problably thoutgh as well, otherwise when you released the game, temtalks would have been as they are with the new patch).The teamtalks weren't good before the patch, but they are worse now, as are corners. It really doesn't matter what i say, unless more people single out what i perceive as problems with the new patch, so untill this happens you are wright and i am wrong.

also in that patch you made the unoffical languages won't work,as an israeli that talking hebrew i wanna give the game back.
the fact that the hebrew language that i downloaded isn't working is very annoying.

Just a small issue here, but when trying to arrange friendlies (for any of my teams), it lets me choose the first 1 as normal, and obviously it then shows up in the main fixture list (ie the 1 that lets you see the scorers, match information etc), but it doesn't if I then go and try and set up another friendly in the arrange friendly section. Instead it shows the same information as the last time I was in that screen (so if for example my last proposal at the same time was for a home game v Man Utd, it'll show that, and then I end up having to click twice on the date I want, as it goes back to the top of the list. Sorry if that sounds a bit confusing, but I do find it annoying.

also in that patch you made the unoffical languages won't work,as an israeli that talking hebrew i wanna give the game back.
the fact that the hebrew language that i downloaded isn't working is very annoying.

Thats it. It is UNofficial. Why should SI care about languages they didnt officially write the game for?
This game is not an open source project, is it?
You were not promised the israeli language on the game package, were you?

also in that patch you made the unoffical languages won't work,as an israeli that talking hebrew i wanna give the game back.
the fact that the hebrew language that i downloaded isn't working is very annoying.

You'll have to go back the source of where you got the unofficial language and make a request with them.

Just a small issue here, but when trying to arrange friendlies (for any of my teams), it lets me choose the first 1 as normal, and obviously it then shows up in the main fixture list (ie the 1 that lets you see the scorers, match information etc), but it doesn't if I then go and try and set up another friendly in the arrange friendly section. Instead it shows the same information as the last time I was in that screen (so if for example my last proposal at the same time was for a home game v Man Utd, it'll show that, and then I end up having to click twice on the date I want, as it goes back to the top of the list. Sorry if that sounds a bit confusing, but I do find it annoying.

Thats it. It is UNofficial. Why should SI care about languages they didnt officially write the game for?
This game is not an open source project, is it?
You were not promised the israeli language on the game package, were you?

you know how much people worked to make a skin that works with this language?
or making the language?
also if its not an open source project,why theres an editor?
the fact that hebrew is my talking language is making hard the fact that the game is in english.
i couldn't even finished a month in the game before the hebrew language came.now im in my third season.
you didn't took in thought the people that not talking the languages that comes with the game.if you didnt gave us the languages,at least let us make them.

Yeah i have the same problem with the transfer/wage budget, its a bit annoying as if you need a bit more in wages to sign someone it'll mean you transfer budget is wasted. Whats the point of it being adjusted if it locks? Another problem i have had is when i offer teams my players and offers come in they don't show in the transfer centre which makes it impossible to accept or decline. If im honest i'm unimpressed with the 12.1.0 update and until its fixed i'll have to play something else. Hopefully these will get fixed soon

The first is there to stop people exploiting it, you wont get chairmen in real life continually changing the budgets just because their manager can't make his mind up.

you know how much people worked to make a skin that works with this language?
or making the language?
also if its not an open source project,why theres an editor?
the fact that hebrew is my talking language is making hard the fact that the game is in english.
i couldn't even finished a month in the game before the hebrew language came.now im in my third season.
you didn't took in thought the people that not talking the languages that comes with the game.if you didnt gave us the languages,at least let us make them.

While that's unfortunate, the onus is on the creators of the language files to update them to work with the new update.

It's the same with most third-party additions, like scouting tools and some skins.

I think there is a problem with the match team talk!! There is no reaction at all... Maybe one player seem to look switch off! That cant be right...

Team talks are a way of changing morale. The smaller your reputation in comparison to the players, the less they're likely to listen to you which means you're less likely to see any morale changes from what you've said.

No reaction is only a bad thing if your players are on poor morale. If they're on good morale already, no reaction is fine.

"Thats it. It is UNofficial. Why should SI care about languages they didnt officially write the game for?
This game is not an open source project, is it?
You were not promised the israeli language on the game package, were you?"

funny comment? why should they care about? because they might lose a lot of people buying this game. the german speechfile doesnt work anymore, too. i think 95% of all german players prefer the german language and i guess about 70% only play this game due to the german speechfile...otherwise they wouldnt understand enough to play the game.

"Thats it. It is UNofficial. Why should SI care about languages they didnt officially write the game for?
This game is not an open source project, is it?
You were not promised the israeli language on the game package, were you?"

funny comment? why should they care about? because they might lose a lot of people buying this game. the german speechfile doesnt work anymore, too. i think 95% of all german players prefer the german language and i guess about 70% only play this game due to the german speechfile...otherwise they wouldnt understand enough to play the game.

Ackter already answered your recurring question:

"While that's unfortunate, the onus is on the creators of the language files to update them to work with the new update.
It's the same with most third-party additions, like scouting tools and some skins. "

A pity so few german FM players can understand English good enough to play the game (if it is true what youre saying)

And speaking about "losing a lot of people buying this game".
FM is not officially released in germany, so I don´t think SI does care too much about their sales there.

your comments are a pity....
i dindnt say that so many people dont understand english language....i jsut said that they wouldnt play without having the german language because of not understanding good enough(there are a lot of specific words which u dont use every day) .....two completely different things.
by the way..... i saw that the question already has been answered.

I've read this thread and the changes and I've probably missed it but can anyone tell me whether the game still pauses when you minimize it? On the previous patches when you put a game on and wanted to come off FM and browse the net etc...the game would freeze and not play the game you put on? Its not a major bug for me, just slightly annoying. So yeah has that been fixed?

I've read this thread and the changes and I've probably missed it but can anyone tell me whether the game still pauses when you minimize it? On the previous patches when you put a game on and wanted to come off FM and browse the net etc...the game would freeze and not play the game you put on? Its not a major bug for me, just slightly annoying. So yeah has that been fixed?

I only ever play in commentary mode, with the screen showing my team's stats. If I pause and go to make a sub/tactic change and go back to the match, I now get the pitch view and have to re-select stats.
Seem to remember the exact same thing happened in FM11.
No bother, I'll just re-install the game, and apply the previous patch.....oh hang on, thanks to steam I guess that's now impossible.
Cheers :-(

Thanks for a great update SI ...although i feel we should have breath of fresh air with the whole match engine. its still too unrealistic. now with steam there is no disc limit so you can spiceup the match engine more. im not saying better graphics or anything. just a more fluid match engine.

Haven't got screenshot as not on computer at the moment, but just wanted to say that in the championship, with the details tab set for the results, some games would not show up at the bottom and I could only see them by changing the results view to basic.

Haven't got time to read through the thread but has there been a change to the team talks because I just can't get a lift out of my team at all.

Same here. Before the patch i usualy had a reaction (Positive or negative) from the players whenever i did a Team-Talk. Now there are only a pair of players that reacts.

Another thing which seems to have changed is the finishing which can be really awful. Players being inside the penalty area completely free, blasts it to the stands (This happens with the likes of Villa and Messi btw)

Hey, I stubbled onto one very annoying thing after the update. Most of the time I do a manual search of new young regens when they come into the game by going through some of the top teams in Europe, but as of now when I go to teams transfer history and set it to "Youth" and when I come back to this screen (Transfer History) after taking alook at player it always goes to "All Transfers" instead of staying at "Youth".

Hope I am making myself clear here and is this normal? Since it didnt happen before the update.

Haven't got time to read through the thread but has there been a change to the team talks because I just can't get a lift out of my team at all.

Yeah, basically if you're a low rep manager (say no previous football experience) it'll be harder for you to get a lift out of players, you'll need to earn their respect and trust. Even more experienced managers will find it harder to get positive team talks, basically it was perhaps slightly too easy to get a positive reaction. We've tried to make it more realistic by making these changes.

Yeah, basically if you're a low rep manager (say no previous football experience) it'll be harder for you to get a lift out of players, you'll need to earn their respect and trust. Even more experienced managers will find it harder to get positive team talks, basically it was perhaps slightly too easy to get a positive reaction. We've tried to make it more realistic by making these changes.

Sounds Great. I will start up another game, as this was my biggest bugbear before.

Sports Interactive can kill the phoenix, but the phoenix will always rise again. Proof? It has already risen.

The advanced rules is something special that SI should be endorsing, not restricting and disabling. If you can use it you are at the pinnacle of talent of the FM Editing community. The day it dies is the day that SI stop making their in game competitions using it.
SI, please embrace us. We want to make the best ever files for your wonderful game which forms such a big part of our lives. FMUpdates was formed because we want to make the best updates for FM! Since we joined together our main England Levels 7 & 8 file has been downloaded over 4800 times. Our new products, the North American Expansion and Project O have been downloaded over 100 times each, and will become more successful as more work is input into it. The fixtures we have released have had over 600 downloads, that does not include what is bundled with the England Levels 7 & 8 release.
We are also working very hard on other things - nothing to do with the Advanced Rules. I have started working on adding Team Cup Histories for all major English cups, from the FA Cup to the FA Trophy, that you could use for your FM database. I hope to get helpers to work with us on adding even more.

On a final note. Please reopen the Advanced Rules thread only if you can embrace us as a vibrant part of your community.

Using the advanced editor can cause instabilities and crashes in people's games. If people only used these files themselves then I doubt it would matter, but when passing those edited files around the community you could be affecting the games of other people who then bring it back to SI (who could spend hours/days etc investigating the issue only to find out it had nothing to do with the game).

Until the editor can officially be expanded to support those extra options it makes sense that SI are trying to put a stop to it.

If you see what I mean.

In short:

a) a database made with the advanced editor that screws up someone's game (and it may not do so until many seasons in) reflects badly on SI, not the database editors
b) SI effectively waste manhours trying to find a bug that isn't a bug with their game.

Hopefully the official editor can be expanded to support all the features needed, but until it does you can surely understand why SI are uneasy about its use.

SI should easily be able to spot their own files, because the Advanced Rules loaded by the game should be retaining the author of the file.

How can you disillusion your own fans from wanting to make the game better? The work spent trying to disable the Advanced Rules could be better spent making a distinction between the Advanced Rules set up by SI and the Community.

I appreciate those concerns. I think people posting advanced files should probably provide the caveat that users *may* experience crashes and that they download and play the files at their own risk.

If SI expends as many hours in tracking down bugs as is claimed, then perhaps "are you playing/have you loaded any custom databases?" should be one of the questions asked. I know that not everyone who downloads and plays custom databases will know which were created with the advanced panels.

Using the advanced editor can cause instabilities and crashes in people's games. If people only used these files themselves then I doubt it would matter, but when passing those edited files around the community you could be affecting the games of other people who then bring it back to SI (who could spend hours/days etc investigating the issue only to find out it had nothing to do with the game).

Until the editor can officially be expanded to support those extra options it makes sense that SI are trying to put a stop to it.

If you see what I mean.

In short:

a) a database made with the advanced editor that screws up someone's game (and it may not do so until many seasons in) reflects badly on SI, not the database editors
b) SI effectively waste manhours trying to find a bug that isn't a bug with their game.

Hopefully the official editor can be expanded to support all the features needed, but until it does you can surely understand why SI are uneasy about its use.

My England edit has been hugely successful and I am not aware of any bugs or knock on affects that it has caused. Indeed, if it had I would've expected someone at SI to have contacted me.

As I see it the issue is NOT with the advanced panels, but with editors who fail to properly test and retest their edits before they release them to the hungry public. This applies whether the league expansions were created within the standard or advanced editor.

My file is regularly tested for 40-50 season in game to ensure that it works long term and I've played it to death to get it working for everyone.

SI must be aware which edits have caused issues and let us know. If it is mine then tell me. If it is someone elese's then tell them and ask them to remove the file download.

I will also state that so far this is proving to be my personal favourite Football Manager game since it started in 2005. The fact that it has been so successful fills me with so much excitement for what may be in stall in the near future (yes, I did say near, not necessarily FM2013). SI gets so many things right, however trying to deactivate the Advanced Rules is not the right thing to do in my eye. Besides, you can't get rid of it yourselves because you make the in game competitions using it!
Get the basic editor to the point where you can make the game with it. Then get rid of the Advanced Rules.

I received few offers for 2 of my guys 1 week before the en of the morket (31.08).

For 1 of my player, I have accepted 2 offers. The player refused on of them the 30th. And the 2nd offer ? we are the 1st, the market is over but nothing happened with this 2nd offer. It still on his profile. Strange.

For my 2nd player, I received a loan offer. I accepted it but my player never answered. Finally the offer was canceled because the end of market. The player had +5 days to answer. Before the update, I never saw that kinf of error.

Also, I have problem during the match. The pitch is empty and I have the comments only.

There is lot of other problem but I am too tired to write more.

My opinion : Rubbish update but because the STEAM system, we do not have choice to use it.

In terms of the match engine, we decided to stick with the 11.3 ME ( plus minor tweaks ) for 12 because the stuff we really want to change wouldnt have been ready and would have detracted from the experience.

Instead we are working behind the scenes on some pretty cool ME stuff for future release. And in the meantime we have a stable ME out there to keep the majority happy.

this mean paulC that their's no any change for ME in any future updates

im trying to sign coaches and it says i an have 11 but when i get to 7 the board keep cancelling my deals saying i have too many members of staff.

Yeah because now your only actually allowed what they say as in they might say you can have 3 1st team coaches and if you have 3 already they wont allow you to get another same for other jobs, i think thats how it works now, before you could get away with it, if ya get me

Although in saying this judging by other post there maybe a slight issue with coaches

I havent had a positive team talk yet, not sure if anyone else has noticed this? Whatever I say to my players after 10 games straight they have always had no affect or been negative reaction, where as before I got 8/10 right.. Possibly a bug.

My England edit has been hugely successful and I am not aware of any bugs or knock on affects that it has caused. Indeed, if it had I would've expected someone at SI to have contacted me.

As I see it the issue is NOT with the advanced panels, but with editors who fail to properly test and retest their edits before they release them to the hungry public. This applies whether the league expansions were created within the standard or advanced editor.

My file is regularly tested for 40-50 season in game to ensure that it works long term and I've played it to death to get it working for everyone.

SI must be aware which edits have caused issues and let us know. If it is mine then tell me. If it is someone elese's then tell them and ask them to remove the file download.

It's just not that simple, we can't go chasing hundreds of edits finding out which ones cause crashes and which ones don't. Considering the sheer number of crashes we've had to deal with and likewise considering the fact the advanced editor was never intended for external use I'm afraid it's just not feasible to continue to make it available. I'm sorry but that's the decision we've made.

I havent had a positive team talk yet, not sure if anyone else has noticed this? Whatever I say to my players after 10 games straight they have always had no affect or been negative reaction, where as before I got 8/10 right.. Possibly a bug.

I havent had a positive team talk yet, not sure if anyone else has noticed this? Whatever I say to my players after 10 games straight they have always had no affect or been negative reaction, where as before I got 8/10 right.. Possibly a bug.

Basically if you win a game you're expected to win the players won't get a massive boost. Likewise if you win a game, getting a positive reaction isn't as easy as they've already had a morale boost from simply winning the game.

Also we've made changes considering 'starting reputation' of managers. If you've got a lower reputation than your players you're going to have to earn their respect and trust before being able to get major positive reactions from them. I hope that makes sense.

Basically if you win a game you're expected to win the players won't get a massive boost. Likewise if you win a game, getting a positive reaction isn't as easy as they've already had a morale boost from simply winning the game.

Also we've made changes considering 'starting reputation' of managers. If you've got a lower reputation than your players you're going to have to earn their respect and trust before being able to get major positive reactions from them. I hope that makes sense.

Im Aston Villa, reputation is Regional.

The changes sound more realistic, irritating as I cant get the boys pumped as easy, but a fair change! Thanks for clearing that up.

Gave the changelist a read and perhaps my comprehension is a tad lousy, but has the bug with Manager biographies been fixed - the one where the latter major trophies/league titles don't get listed if won consecutively.

I havent got any youth coaches and 9 out of 11 in total so still space. Also on the staff search the only scouts i can get are very poor with under 10 on judging ability and potential. before the recent update this wasnt the case.

It's just not that simple, we can't go chasing hundreds of edits finding out which ones cause crashes and which ones don't. Considering the sheer number of crashes we've had to deal with and likewise considering the fact the advanced editor was never intended for external use I'm afraid it's just not feasible to continue to make it available. I'm sorry but that's the decision we've made.

It is still available though. There is an update for 12.1.0 where I have enabled it once again. But perhaps I should use this time to make a new editor as I doubt we will see it in FM2013.

Like I mentioned above, SI should find it easy to identify which rules are which by authoring the files. We author our files, so author yours and filter out the bug reports using community built Advanced Rules.

The changes sound more realistic, irritating as I cant get the boys pumped as easy, but a fair change! Thanks for clearing that up.

It's an awesome change and makes the game so much harder which is what some of the forum users were after. When you first loaded the game on the drop down menu did you pick sunday league footballer, semi pro, pro or international footballer?

If you go on the Editor's Hideaway, I am pretty sure a survey of the files available, and how they are made, will give you a pretty damning version of your current editor. When you introduced this creating a competition thing in the editor it was brilliant, we were all happy just with the fact we can make new leagues. Well I was =}.

Thing is, since then it has just gone backwards. Changes that have been made preventing creation of accurate superleagues (you can say unrealistic, but they were popular) and just the fact that you haven't really added much in the way of new league features to the editor. Sure, you have a lot of things to edit, I appreciate that, but it kinda isn't on that you neglect this. I mean if you can come back and tell me that there are major changes in the offing (a la with making sure DLR, adding leagues etc worked perfect hence delaying updates) then fair play. However, the current state of the editor isn't really good enough any more. Especially when you do consider what people such as Uncle Ron, Magicmastermind124, even myself to a lesser degree have managed to achieve with this.

The reason I even bother to say this is because you do have a history of listening to fan's concerns, even minority ones (which yes those using the advanced panel are). The way see it there are two ways you could proceed:
1. Pretty much as you are now, without any advanced panel (well, not true is it? but with an ostracised editing community which means communication about crashes these files can cause becomes non-existant) and with whatever editor updates you may or may not have in the future.
2. Change your mind and allow the use of the advanced panel.

Here is what I would like to suggest, if this is a real problem for you, which I shall take your word on it and assume it is. There are people who use these forums who are hugely familiar with the advanced panel, so how about you use their knowledge to help pre-screen releases of files. It is kind of self-moderation. No file made with the advanced editor can be put on these forums without stringent testing to ensure stability. This can be done by the person who is making them, or by volunteers who will give up CPU time for this. I understand this is not the only forum in the world, and this won't totally eliminate the problem you are saying. But I like dialogue.

Go and look at some of the files created, and tell me you don't feel either insanely happy that people are taking your creations and doing such wonderful things with them, to the pleasure of many.

It is worth a try, anyway, to not perform a rant, but try to make rational discussion on this topic.

Pro-consumer, anti-DRM. Never be satisfied with any answer. Dig until you drop.

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Regarding the Advanced Editor - why not just stick a warning sign when you open that menu to indicate that SI cannot always help you if you use the advanced editor?

It is clear the community - the users - your customer base - has been an avid fan of this, both directly (the editors themselves) and indirectly (people who use these custom leagues). You are taking away a feature that they enjoy.

Are you listening to your users, or are you just concerned with keeping your bug tracking levels down?