Winter Alta check in- where are you playing?

Okay we will be balling out of some place called Stone Crest. We start dismantling teams this Sunday. I heard we were at A-4. whew...Man...I've had my share of A-1 and A-2. Need a break. Teams broke up so we are with a new team that just started at A-4. Where are you playing out of?

You are joking around but by the times the finals roll around there will be kick serves jumping into the fence...overheads getting killed from the baseline....thundering ohbh up the line...etc...just watch.

We got by...3-2. How did your team do? How was the competition? Our teams were pretty even. We came out on top but we had 3 matches go into 3rd set. We lost one in 7-6 in the breaker in the third set. My experience has been it was easier to win A-1 and A-2 in the past.

You are joking around but by the times the finals roll around there will be kick serves jumping into the fence...overheads getting killed from the baseline....thundering ohbh up the line...etc...just watch.

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Haha, that would be fun actually! Not sure if our team will make it there. We'll see though

A1 Senior Mixed, Marietta area, we won 3-1, I won my men's dubs match in 2 sets. AA3 Mixed out of Cherokee Tennis Center and I took a behind kicking. The guy that I played kicked my butt in men's dubs too. Really bad match up for me, . The lady was really good too. Our team lost 4-1

cherokee. I think we played them in '11 in the summer a1 semis...that was the summer we won a-1 mixed out of Trammel Crow I think. If that's the same team. If not I've played them in Men's and I think they pounded our @$$ in a-2 or something like that. I can't remember. i do remember the name so I know I've played them before.

A1 Senior Mixed, Marietta area, we won 3-1, I won my men's dubs match in 2 sets. AA3 Mixed out of Cherokee Tennis Center and I took a behind kicking. The guy that I played kicked my butt in men's dubs too. Really bad match up for me, . The lady was really good too. Our team lost 4-1

Damn dude/dudette.lol AA-1. We might have to bump your team clean to the WTA/ATA mixed tour.lol Have you seen this girl named Shadisha...I think Robinson may be her last name. She played on the wta tour for a while. I think she played for UGA. I know she played with some AA-1 team that won the city finals. I think it was mixed. Her and my wife played together on a AA-3 team out of Water's edge. I asked because I know the higher up you go there are less teams. You have probably at some point also ran into Milton Myers(Amp). I've gotten to play with him and win a couple of tourneys but we were playing aged(40's) doubles. Sounds like some great Tennis. I love watching that level. I'll have to keep up with your team throughout the season. I bet those women on your team are kick @$$ to. lol

awww snap...I'm also on a senior mixed team out of McGhee(A-1). We won 3-1. I forgot to mention that(shhhhh it's my first year being elgible in the geritol league). It's pretty bad when your captain asks you to bring some ben-gay and Ibuprophen for the food table.lol I'm just kidding.

A1 Senior Mixed, Marietta area, we won 3-1, I won my men's dubs match in 2 sets. AA3 Mixed out of Cherokee Tennis Center and I took a behind kicking. The guy that I played kicked my butt in men's dubs too. Really bad match up for me, . The lady was really good too. Our team lost 4-1

Damn dude/dudette.lol AA-1. We might have to bump your team clean to the WTA/ATA mixed tour.lol Have you seen this girl named Shadisha...I think Robinson may be her last name. She played on the wta tour for a while. I think she played for UGA. I know she played with some AA-1 team that won the city finals. I think it was mixed. Her and my wife played together on a AA-3 team out of Water's edge. I asked because I know the higher up you go there are less teams. You have probably at some point also ran into Milton Myers(Amp). I've gotten to play with him and win a couple of tourneys but we were playing aged(40's) doubles. Sounds like some great Tennis. I love watching that level. I'll have to keep up with your team throughout the season. I bet those women on your team are kick @$$ to. lol

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I think we're tied for first as of now, played 2 weak teams so far.
heads up match to break the tie for first this weekend.

Played a little ugly, but pulled out a tight three setter. Ugly first set went down 3-6, got my head out of my arse and won the second 6-1, went up a break early in the third, got lazy and let them back in it, took it in a TB for the win.

Our division (A-3) has two teams with 10 pts, then us and another with 7 after two weeks.

Alta B6 frustration. Our captain played me with another person than my usual partner. What I didn't know is that she had an emergency and couldn't play. So I had to play with a lady I never even heard of.

If you get paid to coach tennis then you must play AA unless you are over 55. The only exception I am aware of is that if a teacher also coaches the tennis team then they can be exempted from this rule.

I do think that this is pretty harsh on some tennis pros, but off the top of my head I don't know any tennis pros who couldn't hang at the lower lines of a AA team.

Yea, I either know some of the players from that team or that happened to another team. Teams like that complain about getting the points taken but they knowingly play illegal players. It's ashame but it's the price that comes with the territory.

Yea, some woman/coordinator just tried to tell our captain that a guy who clearly teaches and can be proven to teach is okay because he hasn't supposedly taught in so long. Now I have texts on my phone where he was trying to get buisness just in the last year. I think they clearly bust who they want to bust. I told the captain to get her to send that in an email. The truth is we were going to get him to play with us but didn't want to add him because we knew he was illegal. I like Alta but at times they just like any other league can be full of it depending on what coordinators you get.

:cry:I saw a couple of years ago some ladies were late to a playoff match...like 35 minutes late and they got forfeited, but because they knew some folks high up in Alta, They tried to make them go back and play that match the next Saturday...and only because the team threatened to call the media in and make a big deal of it, the other team just canceled which really saved Alta's @$$. I think if you don't want to enforce the rule across the board they should get rid of it. I've seen it done to teams but I've never seen Alta try to go back and cover a team's @$$ like that on a rule that was clearly broken. I was there and the team was clearly late. Their 2's got there but their one's were about 35 minutes late...a clear violation. So the rules come and go depending on who's getting the short end of the stick.

I was told that ALTA was supposed to be friendly, laid-back socializing league doubles. Is that not the case?

Or are you describing an example of the exception, rather than the rule, with your story about a team exercising undue influence with ALTA officials and the other team threatening to involve the media?

Yea, some woman/coordinator just tried to tell our captain that a guy who clearly teaches and can be proven to teach is okay because he hasn't supposedly taught in so long. Now I have texts on my phone where he was trying to get buisness just in the last year. I think they clearly bust who they want to bust. I told the captain to get her to send that in an email. The truth is we were going to get him to play with us but didn't want to add him because we knew he was illegal. I like Alta but at times they just like any other league can be full of it depending on what coordinators you get.

:cry:I saw a couple of years ago some ladies were late to a playoff match...like 35 minutes late and they got forfeited, but because they knew some folks high up in Alta, They tried to make them go back and play that match the next Saturday...and only because the team threatened to call the media in and make a big deal of it, the other team just canceled which really saved Alta's @$$. I think if you don't want to enforce the rule across the board they should get rid of it. I've seen it done to teams but I've never seen Alta try to go back and cover a team's @$$ like that on a rule that was clearly broken. I was there and the team was clearly late. Their 2's got there but their one's were about 35 minutes late...a clear violation. So the rules come and go depending on who's getting the short end of the stick.

It is friendly most of the time, but just like with anything else, it has it's ugly sides. I think the reason the this team even forfeited the team is because it got done to them. The problem I had with Alta is they should stand behind their rules regardless as to who it may effect....or get rid of the rule. I think it's silly to forfeit all the lines anyway if one court is late. Again, this was a playoffs They do some under handed stuff that I won't really get into only because you really can't prove a lot of it but you can see what is going on a lot of times.

If I say something here about them, there is proof that it has happened. I still prefer it over USTA although I wished the would find a way to include singles, but I still like it over USTA. They at least don't try to beat you out of as much money as USTA.

I was told that ALTA was supposed to be friendly, laid-back socializing league doubles. Is that not the case?

Or are you describing an example of the exception, rather than the rule, with your story about a team exercising undue influence with ALTA officials and the other team threatening to involve the media?

Thanks for the "low down" on ALTA. I didn't mean to imply that you were making anything up. I think I've heard a number of people (but not all) tell me how "wonderful" and "perfect" ALTA is after I moved to Atlanta that I started forming a picture of what ALTA must be like.

I'll definitely keep your comments in mind while staying positive as I experience ALTA first hand.

It is friendly most of the time, but just like with anything else, it has it's ugly sides. I think the reason the this team even forfeited the team is because it got done to them. The problem I had with Alta is they should stand behind their rules regardless as to who it may effect....or get rid of the rule. I think it's silly to forfeit all the lines anyway if one court is late. Again, this was a playoffs They do some under handed stuff that I won't really get into only because you really can't prove a lot of it but you can see what is going on a lot of times.

If I say something here about them, there is proof that it has happened. I still prefer it over USTA although I wished the would find a way to include singles, but I still like it over USTA. They at least don't try to beat you out of as much money as USTA.

I think you will enjoy it for the most part. It's just the longer you play and learn and see what's going on, you will see that it's like any other league, It has it's flaws and you have to learn what you can and can't deal with. Again, I actually like it.
I also learned a few years ago, that they will spend time investigating any allegation without any real justification. We played a team out of Forsyth a few years back in the playoffs. They went crying to alta after their one's lost a 7-5 7-5 match(which was rediculous. The guy(high up)...vp or something told me to my face that he spend 6 hours investigating our team. The two guys in the 5 & 5 match....myself and one other guy. I laughed at him initially about him investigating me until he asked me did I play in this money tourney(TVOC). I stopped laughing and said you are serious...he said he was dead serious. I laughed and told him that just because a guy plays in in a money tourney does't mean they teach. I'm a 4.0 usta player. I played the TVOC because it was cheaper to play and eat then to just watch and eat. The food is good and I like being able to eat without being questioned. lol The other two guys were 49 year old men at the time. I told him I think their real problem was the didn't like like having to come to our park and getting beat up on by the brothers and told him he wasted 6 hours of his life. lol He and I both laughed but it was kind of sad that they couldn't just take their @$$whipping like we did in the finals. We didn't make one phone call.lol

Thanks for the "low down" on ALTA. I didn't mean to imply that you were making anything up. I think I've heard a number of people (but not all) tell me how "wonderful" and "perfect" ALTA is after I moved to Atlanta that I started believing the "hype".

I'll definitely keep your comments in mind while staying positive as I experience ALTA first hand.

I'm pretty "chill" when it comes to dealing with things that I have no control over and not letting it bother me. While I enjoy a friendly, competitive match and certainly enjoy winning, tennis isn't my end all, be all in life and my actions both on and off the court reflect that. Things like cheating and how far I have to drive for a tennis match don't bother me enough to make me act immaturely or unprofessionally in response.

Yes, it is sad that ALTA can't tell the difference between real allegations and poor sportsmanship/sore losers. Look at the bright side: it sounds like you certainly made such a strong enough impression on your opponent that he accused you of "cheating" and reported it to ALTA.

I view that as a compliment of sorts. I hope my tennis game progresses enough to the point that others accuse me of "cheating" LOL.

I think you will enjoy it for the most part. It's just the longer you play and learn and see what's going on, you will see that it's like any other league, It has it's flaws and you have to learn what you can and can't deal with. Again, I actually like it.
I also learned a few years ago, that they will spend time investigating any allegation without any real justification. We played a team out of Forsyth a few years back in the playoffs. They went crying to alta after their one's lost a 7-5 7-5 match(which was rediculous. The guy(high up)...vp or something told me to my face that he spend 6 hours investigating our team. The two guys in the 5 & 5 match....myself and one other guy. I laughed at him initially about him investigating me until he asked me did I play in this money tourney(TVOC). I stopped laughing and said you are serious...he said he was dead serious. I laughed and told him that just because a guy plays in in a money tourney does't mean they teach. I'm a 4.0 usta player. I played the TVOC because it was cheaper to play and eat then to just watch and eat. The food is good and I like being able to eat without being questioned. lol The other two guys were 49 year old men at the time. I told him I think their real problem was the didn't like like having to come to our park and getting beat up on by the brothers and told him he wasted 6 hours of his life. lol He and I both laughed but it was kind of sad that they couldn't just take their @$$whipping like we did in the finals. We didn't make one phone call.lol

You don't even have to be USPTA certified to be considered a "teaching pro" by ALTA. A friend of mine missed out on a whole season because he gets a few dollars an hour and free court time by helping out with group drills a couple nights a week. Ridiculous.

If you receive monetary compensation for teaching/coaching tennis, you are a "teaching pro" according to ALTA and must play AA (unless over 55).

The saddest part is that is was actually a "friend" of ours who called it in to ALTA.

Oh, our team failed to win a point this weekend. I was the only line to even win a set. Doubly ridiculous when my over-55 "teaching pro" partner couldn't make easy volleys or take more than 2 steps for a ball, we should have won it in 2 sets easily...

It used to be the rule that if you played in tournaments with a cash prize you had to play AA. I know a team that had a player DQ'd because they were playing 6.0 in Ultimate tennis and there is something like a $250 cash prize but they considered that to be enough. (note that this player didn't actually win the $250, only that he played in the 'tournament'.) Even though it was a pretty ridiculous rule we actually asked that our team get moved up from A1 to AA4 just to make sure there couldn't be any "gotcha" moments.

I believe that they have completely removed the "cash tournament" rule from ALTA.

I was told that ALTA was supposed to be friendly, laid-back socializing league doubles. Is that not the case?

Or are you describing an example of the exception, rather than the rule, with your story about a team exercising undue influence with ALTA officials and the other team threatening to involve the media?

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In general, ALTA is fine 98% of the time. Of course, everyone spends 98% of their time talking about the 2% when ALTA is not fine.

It is like any other league. It is competitive and it becomes more competitive the higher you go in general. Most of the people are very nice, play fair and make good calls. But, there's always one in every bunch that makes bad calls and/or is a weiner.

Senior (over 45) leagues really do have a nicer attitude all in all but I also played an adult mixed match (18+) last weekend and the opposing team was extremely nice - good tennis, opponents had good attitude, and it was a fun match.

I have played people that were so nice that I actually thought they were trying to put me off my game by being so courteous. On the other hand, I played a guy a few years ago that would yell at the top of his lungs at least 2 to 3 times a game after his team won a point. Sometimes on our errors instead of their winners. The guy was like Jimmy Connors in a night match at the USOpen - I half expected him to start foaming at the mouth he was so crazed with blood lust. But, as I said 98% of the people are good folks, but you will run into a few weiners.

You don't even have to be USPTA certified to be considered a "teaching pro" by ALTA. A friend of mine missed out on a whole season because he gets a few dollars an hour and free court time by helping out with group drills a couple nights a week. Ridiculous.

If you receive monetary compensation for teaching/coaching tennis, you are a "teaching pro" according to ALTA and must play AA (unless over 55).

The saddest part is that is was actually a "friend" of ours who called it in to ALTA.

Oh, our team failed to win a point this weekend. I was the only line to even win a set. Doubly ridiculous when my over-55 "teaching pro" partner couldn't make easy volleys or take more than 2 steps for a ball, we should have won it in 2 sets easily...

Thanks for sharing your take on ATLA. It'll be 4 more years before I can join the senior league but I think it's nicer attitude overall is exactly what I'm looking for.

What I'm not looking for are the gung-ho types you described. I think it's in especially poor taste for players to cheer their opponent's errors but I don't mind when players get excited about their own good shots, as I'm quick to applaud and acknowledge my opponent's good shots as well.

It's good to know that there are many other gracious, considerate players in the adult (18+) division and I look forward to meeting them and playing with them as well.

In general, ALTA is fine 98% of the time. Of course, everyone spends 98% of their time talking about the 2% when ALTA is not fine.

It is like any other league. It is competitive and it becomes more competitive the higher you go in general. Most of the people are very nice, play fair and make good calls. But, there's always one in every bunch that makes bad calls and/or is a weiner.

Senior (over 45) leagues really do have a nicer attitude all in all but I also played an adult mixed match (18+) last weekend and the opposing team was extremely nice - good tennis, opponents had good attitude, and it was a fun match.

I have played people that were so nice that I actually thought they were trying to put me off my game by being so courteous. On the other hand, I played a guy a few years ago that would yell at the top of his lungs at least 2 to 3 times a game after his team won a point. Sometimes on our errors instead of their winners. The guy was like Jimmy Connors in a night match at the USOpen - I half expected him to start foaming at the mouth he was so crazed with blood lust. But, as I said 98% of the people are good folks, but you will run into a few weiners.

That ALTA rule about who constitutes a "Teaching Pro" is a little ridiculous. Couldn't an ALTA official come out and watch your friend play and then allow him out of that category?

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Honestly this is the first time I have ever heard people complain about the teaching pro rule (or had it enforced in a questionable situation) so its been a non-factor for us. We just added a guy to an A5 team that coaches tennis- but because he is a highschool teacher who teaches tennis on the side they said that it does not count. (he will not likely play in our top 3 lines) I'm pretty shocked to hear that they enforced it is a questionable situation like bcart describes. We have faced guys who I personally know get paid to coach tennis but just didn't think it was a big deal so we didn't do anything about it. That sucks a "friend" would call it in like that.

I think it would make the rules significantly worse to introduce visual verifiers into ALTA. The biggest complaints I have normally heard about ALTA are when the rules are enforced in a disjointed manner and having visual verifiers would be an absolute disaster.

If you get paid to coach tennis then you must play AA unless you are over 55. The only exception I am aware of is that if a teacher also coaches the tennis team then they can be exempted from this rule.

I do think that this is pretty harsh on some tennis pros, but off the top of my head I don't know any tennis pros who couldn't hang at the lower lines of a AA team.

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are you 100% sure of the rule about being allowed to play on a team that you coach as well? I don't remember seeing it in the alta bylaws but maybe missed it.

are you 100% sure of the rule about being allowed to play on a team that you coach as well? I don't remember seeing it in the alta bylaws but maybe missed it.

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I wasn't specific enough. This is a guy who is a highschool teacher who also teaches the highschool girls tennis team on the side. Basically ALTA doesn't want to discourage ALTA players from taking on that as a hobby.

I haven't talked to ALTA myself- the guy told us that he had cleared it with ALTA so hopefully we don't have some mole trying to get us DQ'd!

I wasn't specific enough. This is a guy who is a highschool teacher who also teaches the highschool girls tennis team on the side. Basically ALTA doesn't want to discourage ALTA players from taking on that as a hobby.

I haven't talked to ALTA myself- the guy told us that he had cleared it with ALTA so hopefully we don't have some mole trying to get us DQ'd!

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oh ok i thought you meant someone who was coaching an alta team and playing on the same team. :twisted:

I wasn't specific enough. This is a guy who is a highschool teacher who also teaches the highschool girls tennis team on the side. Basically ALTA doesn't want to discourage ALTA players from taking on that as a hobby.

I haven't talked to ALTA myself- the guy told us that he had cleared it with ALTA so hopefully we don't have some mole trying to get us DQ'd!

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The way you wrote your post, it sounded like you had spoken to ALTA directly when you said "...they said that it does not count...".

So basically what you're relaying to us is hearsay (even if this coach did really get cleared by ALTA), which isn't really a big deal in and of itself.

Regardless, I see what you mean about ALTA not being the most consistent when it comes to its own rules.

One of the guys on the team was trying to add his friend. It wasn't particularly worth it for us to bother with calling ALTA in order to add a line 4 guy so we told him that we couldn't add him but that if he wanted to call ALTA and deal with the red tape he was more than welcome. ALTA didn't put it in writing or anything else like that- they simply told him that this was the rule and he was free to play on an A level team. I have no reason not to believe him and I think that their rule makes perfect sense within the goals of their organization. Someday when you are actually on a tennis team you will have a better idea of how things actually work.

I know the rules inside and out and this is one that I haven't heard of before- I simply thought that other people here would appreciate knowing about it as well.

I hear you. Like I said, it wasn't a major concern if you had spoken to ALTA directly or was just relaying what the coach in question said that ALTA told him. It just sounded like you had spoken directly to ALTA in your post.

My being on a tennis team and "knowing how things work" is irrelevant when it comes to writing prose and describing something accurately. Had I been in your position, I would have written "The coach we added to our team spoke directly to ALTA and they told him ....". Just for the sake of clarity and accuracy.

I think the major concern is that ALTA appears to have told 2 different tennis coaches different things.

One of the guys on the team was trying to add his friend. It wasn't particularly worth it for us to bother with calling ALTA in order to add a line 4 guy so we told him that we couldn't add him but that if he wanted to call ALTA and deal with the red tape he was more than welcome. ALTA didn't put it in writing or anything else like that- they simply told him that this was the rule and he was free to play on an A level team. I have no reason not to believe him and I think that their rule makes perfect sense within the goals of their organization. Someday when you are actually on a tennis team you will have a better idea of how things actually work.

I know the rules inside and out and this is one that I haven't heard of before- I simply thought that other people here would appreciate knowing about it as well.

I think the major concern is that ALTA appears to have told 2 different tennis coaches different things.

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I don't think that you understand the conversation we are having since that didn't happen. It isn't really your fault since you haven't ever played league tennis but its sort of funny that you keep talking about things you have no clue about.

I don't think that you understand the conversation we are having since that didn't happen. It isn't really your fault since you haven't ever played league tennis but its sort of funny that you keep talking about things you have no clue about.

Since I am 100% sure you haven't been to my Round Robin and would be very surprised if you had been invited to participate in any Round Robin the fact that you have misconceptions about what kind of person would run one isn't exactly surprising given the rest of your posting history.

Since I am 100% sure you haven't been to my Round Robin and would be very surprised if you had been invited to participate in any Round Robin the fact that you have misconceptions about what kind of person would run one isn't exactly surprising.

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Like I said, I'm genuinely surprised someone with your disposition actually runs a "for fun" round robin. I suppose there are exceptions to the rule.

I wouldn't expect you to invite me to your round robin, since it would mean that we might actually end up having to play tennis against each other. And you probably wouldn't want that, since if you beat me, then it would be the expected result. Of course if a 3.0 like me should end up beating you, then at least I'd have a better idea what my NTRP should be (or shouldn't, whichever the case may be).

Nah bruh....they were ticked about losing period. They were reaching. There is nothing about my game that would ever make you think I taught anyone. If the truth be told they were real ticked about their 1's losing and went to google and because they found my name with the other two guys in a money tourney...why not throw my name in the hat while they wer moaning. The fourth guy can't beat me...so if that tells you anything. It's funny in way, but it's also sad when people will stoop to level After getting their @$$ whipped.

I'm pretty "chill" when it comes to dealing with things that I have no control over and not letting it bother me. While I enjoy a friendly, competitive match and certainly enjoy winning, tennis isn't my end all, be all in life and my actions both on and off the court reflect that. Things like cheating and how far I have to drive for a tennis match don't bother me enough to make me act immaturely or unprofessionally in response.

Yes, it is sad that ALTA can't tell the difference between real allegations and poor sportsmanship/sore losers. Look at the bright side: it sounds like you certainly made such a strong enough impression on your opponent that he accused you of "cheating" and reported it to ALTA.

I view that as a compliment of sorts. I hope my tennis game progresses enough to the point that others accuse me of "cheating" LOL.

They have because this guy clearly knew we had played a money tourney. I've not won a set. I'm going to break down and try my hand at singles. I had been playing doubles only. I can play the 45's this year so Im going to see if I can catch someone slipping. You get two matches so I can handle the 50 bucks.

It used to be the rule that if you played in tournaments with a cash prize you had to play AA. I know a team that had a player DQ'd because they were playing 6.0 in Ultimate tennis and there is something like a $250 cash prize but they considered that to be enough. (note that this player didn't actually win the $250, only that he played in the 'tournament'.) Even though it was a pretty ridiculous rule we actually asked that our team get moved up from A1 to AA4 just to make sure there couldn't be any "gotcha" moments.

I believe that they have completely removed the "cash tournament" rule from ALTA.

Nah bruh....they were ticked about losing period. They were reaching. There is nothing about my game that would ever make you think I taught anyone. If the truth be told they were real ticked about their 1's losing and went to google and because they found my name with the other two guys in a money tourney...why not throw my name in the hat while they wer moaning. The fourth guy can't beat me...so if that tells you anything. It's funny in way, but it's also sad when people will stoop to level After getting their @$$ whipped.

18 and up. They were just sour @$$es. I wouldn't waste my time investigating a 5 & 5 match unless I was going to also investigate the other two that lost. Or you have documented proof these guys teach for money. What they really need to do is start charging a 50 dollar refundable fee if the allegation is found to be true. If it is not, then Alta needs to keep the money. That will stop all the BS calling into Alta everytime someone loses a match they don't think they should have lost. That should be 50 dollars per complaint/player.

I think that's a great idea that a fee should be charged with each complaint submitted to ALTA. But I think the fee should be refunded in full should the investigation prove that the complaint was warranted. Just like how NFL coaches are charged a timeout if their ruling challenge failed but are not charged with a timeout if their challenge succeeds.

Yes, I can't wait until I can play in the Senior adult division in ALTA in 4 years. It sounds like they have much better dispositions on average (I suppose with age comes maturity).

18 and up. They were just sour @$$es. I wouldn't waste my time investigating a 5 & 5 match unless I was going to also investigate the other two that lost. Or you have documented proof these guys teach for money. What they really need to do is start charging a 50 dollar refundable fee if the allegation is found to be true. If it is not, then Alta needs to keep the money. That will stop all the BS calling into Alta everytime someone loses a match they don't think they should have lost. That should be 50 dollars per complaint/player.