Actually, as police forces in the area go, L.A.P.D. is so undermanned, they let a lot of stuff slide. Especially compared to "small town" P.D.s like Santa Monica, Manhattan Beach etc, where you can expect two additional police car back ups on a routine traffic stop.

A list:1-Police officer requires a four year degree as a start.2-Police officer is no longer a lifetime job just as working in a bank or in a company is not a lifetime job: this means professionalism, psych tests, and help for other career options if necessary. If they become problem or get sick and tired of it they get fired. They are serving the public and the public is not the enemy.3-Funding for police departments no longer goes to police departments; the goal is order and safety, not profit.4-Stop buying tanks, I think police should stop with the sexy sport cars and idiocracy graphics too. Spend that money on training them on dealing with people, when to not use tazers and making sure they can hit a target ten feet away.5-"Officer of the peace"- Not paramilitary officer. National guard can deal with riots. One function, dealing with real crime and keeping peace.6-Kick out the bullies and cowboys.7-No more quazi-legal 'performance expectations'

You take the people's guns, you take their drugs, you take the money, you beat them senseless for questioning authority and berate them for taking pictures of it... And then you complain that the public doesn't like you?

Cops got so used to winning the he said/she said arguments in court (because they were the police) before the days of everyone and their cousin having camera phones that they are acting defensive now that everyone can present visual and audio evidence to counter their arguments that they acted "in good faith" and were merely "defending themselves against a violent suspect".

Enemabag Jones:A list:1-Police officer requires a four year degree as a start.2-Police officer is no longer a lifetime job just as working in a bank or in a company is not a lifetime job: this means professionalism, psych tests, and help for other career options if necessary. If they become problem or get sick and tired of it they get fired. They are serving the public and the public is not the enemy.3-Funding for police departments no longer goes to police departments; the goal is order and safety, not profit.4-Stop buying tanks, I think police should stop with the sexy sport cars and idiocracy graphics too. Spend that money on training them on dealing with people, when to not use tazers and making sure they can hit a target ten feet away.5-"Officer of the peace"- Not paramilitary officer. National guard can deal with riots. One function, dealing with real crime and keeping peace.6-Kick out the bullies and cowboys.7-No more quazi-legal 'performance expectations'

Pretty great typo...Funding comes from the state, not from any activity taken by officers. Seized cars do not go to the police dept. Funds from auctions don't go to that police dept. They don't get get a cut from any arrests made.

Video in recent weeks has captured officers punching a handcuffed suspect and slamming a restrained woman to the ground. In the third case, a woman stopped breathing in the back of a police car and later died.

"There's been a real effort to change the culture," said Joe Domanick, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who is writing a book on the transformation of the LAPD after the Rodney King beating. "It takes a long time for a culture to change, for things to trickle down."

Bull. Farking. Shiat.

All that's needed to "change the culture" is to require every cop have a video/sound recorder clipped to his/her collar. This video is collected/archived by a third party and is made available to criminal defendants or to those making complaints against the police.

The technology is cheap, and been around a good ten years or so now.

Problem solved-- or it WOULD be if the police force and "justice" system would just farking drop the excuses and do it already.

Pretty great typo...Funding comes from the state, not from any activity taken by officers. Seized cars do not go to the police dept. Funds from auctions don't go to that police dept. They don't get get a cut from any arrests made.

People aren't going to respect the police until departments start punishing their officers appropriately for misconduct and holding them to the same legal standards as everyone else. If they punch or kick a handcuffed suspect, they should be charged with battery. If they lie on a report or in a statement or purposefully leave out details, they should be charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, or whatever law applies to the situation. When a police officer commits a crime, temporary desk duty, "re-training," or a reprimand are NOT sufficient punishments.

Enemabag Jones:Pretty great typo...Funding comes from the state, not from any activity taken by officers. Seized cars do not go to the police dept. Funds from auctions don't go to that police dept. They don't get get a cut from any arrests made.

xip_80:People aren't going to respect the police until departments start punishing their officers appropriately for misconduct and holding them to the same legal standards as everyone else. If they punch or kick a handcuffed suspect, they should be charged with battery. If they lie on a report or in a statement or purposefully leave out details, they should be charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, or whatever law applies to the situation. When a police officer commits a crime, temporary desk duty, "re-training," or a reprimand are NOT sufficient punishments.

and the DA will never do that because he has to work hand in hand with them and the police union will fight him to the death when he is next up for election if he is *antipolice*. public unions for a just america!

No it doesn't. You tell the officers what is excessive and if they cross the line throw them off the force and before a judge. The culture will change almost overnight.

Um, the po-po union would like a word with you...in the back seat of the patrol car.

What exactly do you think the union does? I'm a firefighter in a small, pro-union New England city. We have about 100 firefighters and 120 cops. I've been there for four years and have seen three firefighters and five cops fired.

The fired guys were jerks, and were not well liked by their coworkers. Their respective unions, however, are legally required to represent them even if they're assholes. In the most recent firefighter's case, he was told by the union, "Yeah, we'll appeal. But this case is a loser, you better start job hunting."

Unions don't have magical powers that keep members from being fired. All they can do is make sure their members are treated consistantly, fairly and in accordance with the contract.

lizyrd:StoneColdAtheist: Norfolking Chance: "It takes time to change a culture"

No it doesn't. You tell the officers what is excessive and if they cross the line throw them off the force and before a judge. The culture will change almost overnight.

Um, the po-po union would like a word with you...in the back seat of the patrol car.

What exactly do you think the union does? I'm a firefighter in a small, pro-union New England city. We have about 100 firefighters and 120 cops. I've been there for four years and have seen three firefighters and five cops fired.

The fired guys were jerks, and were not well liked by their coworkers. Their respective unions, however, are legally required to represent them even if they're assholes. In the most recent firefighter's case, he was told by the union, "Yeah, we'll appeal. But this case is a loser, you better start job hunting."

Unions don't have magical powers that keep members from being fired. All they can do is make sure their members are treated consistantly, fairly and in accordance with the contract.

why should you be able to form a monopoly to extract unreasonable concessions from your local community?we wouldn't let walmart, target, and safeway collude to raise price son us?why should we allow you to do it to the government?you already get to vote for your bosses boss. no one but public servants ever get that opportunity.because bauxite miners can and should be allowed to form a union to bargain against a private corporation like Alcoa that is only motivated by its own bottom line you think you should be able to use the same tactics against a local community that has your best interests at heart?your unions are some of the biggest barriers to effective government.

Officials from Costa Mesa, Irvine, Fullerton and Buena Park on Tuesday accused an Upland law firm that represents police unions of employing thug-like behavior in its efforts to win favorable contracts for city police agencies.Buena Park Mayor Fred Smith says he was pulled over and treated as a DUI suspect two years ago after attending a holiday party. He suspects the Buena Park officers targeted him because of his decisions on the city's council and his choice of police chief, he said.Lackie, Dammeier and McGill, which represents more than 120 police associations in California, until recently had featured on its website a manual for tough negotiating tactics that included targeting city officials until they cave in to union demands."I was told I should never disrespect officers," Smith said.Smith said he also received threatening text messages last week from a political consultant that worked for the police union. One text asked Smith if he knew the meaning of "GJI." A later text explained: "Grand Jury Indictment." It was followed by this message: "Say good bye Freddie."The consultant, Jim Freeman of Torrance, admitted Tuesday that the messages came from his phone but said he did not send them. Freeman said his phone system was hacked by a disgruntled intern. "I've been in politics for over a decade and I've never had my systems breached before, though I understand that anything is possible in today's world -- even government agencies like the DOD get hacked," said Freeman...The Orange County Register on Friday linked the law firm of Lackie, Dammeier and McGill, with a private investigator who called in a DUI report on Righeimer last week. Police met the investigator at Righeimer's house and administered a sobriety test but reported that he was not intoxicated...Buena Park Mayor Jim Dow also appeared at the news conference, saying he had received word a year ago that the union was gunning for him. Dow said he then moved his adult daughters to Idaho after reading a suggestion online that police unions should target the children of city officials. He said he's in the process of selling his house and plans to move after his term ends.

Riche:"There's been a real effort to change the culture," said Joe Domanick, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who is writing a book on the transformation of the LAPD after the Rodney King beating. "It takes a long time for a culture to change, for things to trickle down."

Bull. Farking. Shiat.

All that's needed to "change the culture" is to require every cop have a video/sound recorder clipped to his/her collar. This video is collected/archived by a third party and is made available to criminal defendants or to those making complaints against the police.

The technology is cheap, and been around a good ten years or so now.

Problem solved-- or it WOULD be if the police force and "justice" system would just farking drop the excuses and do it already.

Like everyone in this great country, they deserve the benefit of the doubt..

No, sir, the citizen deserves the benefit of the doubt, and when "administration of justice" becomes beating someone who's already in handcuffs, the police take that benefit from the citizen on their own initiative. That is wrong, it's apparent on its face that it is wrong and it is time to right it.

Riche:"There's been a real effort to change the culture," said Joe Domanick, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who is writing a book on the transformation of the LAPD after the Rodney King beating. "It takes a long time for a culture to change, for things to trickle down."

Bull. Farking. Shiat.

All that's needed to "change the culture" is to require every cop have a video/sound recorder clipped to his/her collar. This video is collected/archived by a third party and is made available to criminal defendants or to those making complaints against the police.

The technology is cheap, and been around a good ten years or so now.

Problem solved-- or it WOULD be if the police force and "justice" system would just farking drop the excuses and do it already.

What ever happened to San Jose's experiments with that, anyway?

Rip Dashrock:Actually, as police forces in the area go, L.A.P.D. is so undermanned, they let a lot of stuff slide. Especially compared to "small town" P.D.s like Santa Monica, Manhattan Beach etc, where you can expect two additional police car back ups on a routine traffic stop.

Avery614:Enemabag Jones: Pretty great typo...Funding comes from the state, not from any activity taken by officers. Seized cars do not go to the police dept. Funds from auctions don't go to that police dept. They don't get get a cut from any arrests made.

The items that are not returned are usually put up for auction to the highest bidder. The money made from the auction goes to the police, local government, and a drug-enforcement fund (used to support the drug enforcement teams).

/first word after http is blog so not sure if legit//difficult to find info one way or the other///perhaps my google-fu is off today

It's a state-by-state and city-by-city thing, but funds generally go either directly to the agency involved, into a county or city fund with some kickbacks up to the state , or entirely to the state. The Justice Dept administration explicitly allows police agencies to keep up to 80% of any funds seized or sold, but even when it goes into another fund, it still basically offsets regular expenditures that would go to the department. Oh yeah, and the last 20% goes to the Justice Dept to run the program; since everyone from top to bottom has their fingers in the pie it'll never end.

US Marshals administer the program, this page explains the regulations.Drug seizure proceeds shared: Under the Justice Department's asset forfeiture program, up to 80 percent of the proceeds from seized assets can be distributed to law-enforcement agencies and task forces that assist the criminal investigation. The remaining 20 percent of the proceeds goes back into the program for administrative costs.Regulation for Richland, WA: 1. The seized assets account shall be used to augment investigative expenses. 2. The seized drug/money account shall be used to augment the purchase of materials and supplies within the police department.

foxyshadis:It's a state-by-state and city-by-city thing, but funds generally go either directly to the agency involved, into a county or city fund with some kickbacks up to the state , or entirely to the state. The Justice Dept administration explicitly allows police agencies to keep up to 80% of any funds seized or sold, but even when it goes into another fund, it still basically offsets regular expenditures that would go to the department. Oh yeah, and the last 20% goes to the Justice Dept to run the program; since everyone from top to bottom has their fingers in the pie it'll never end.

US Marshals administer the program, this page explains the regulations.Drug seizure proceeds shared: Under the Justice Department's asset forfeiture program, up to 80 percent of the proceeds from seized assets can be distributed to law-enforcement agencies and task forces that assist the criminal investigation. The remaining 20 percent of the proceeds goes back into the program for administrative costs.Regulation for Richland, WA: 1. The seized assets account shall be used to augment investigative expenses. 2. The seized drug/money account shall be used to augment the purchase of materials and supplies within the police department.

Thanks dude, I was genuinely curious about this but am at work and didn't have much time for research today. I had a feeling it was along the lines of "everybody gets paid."

"There's been a real effort to change the culture," said Joe Domanick, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who is writing a book on the transformation of the LAPD after the Rodney King beating. "It takes a long time for a culture to change, for things to trickle down."

New rule: Unless discussing Nascar or a pants-wetting incident, use of the phrase "trickle down" will now result in a LAPD style beating.

xip_80:People aren't going to respect the police until departments start punishing their officers appropriately for misconduct and holding them to the same legal standards as everyone else. If they punch or kick a handcuffed suspect, they should be charged with battery. If they lie on a report or in a statement or purposefully leave out details, they should be charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, or whatever law applies to the situation. When a police officer commits a crime, temporary desk duty, "re-training," or a reprimand are NOT sufficient punishments.

Rich Cream ,Bear-hugging any woman from behind and slamming her face first into the pavement with your full (armored) weight behind it, while she has her hands bound behind her back, makes you a piece of shiat.Your partner is also a piece of shiat for enjoying it with you. "Highlights" The full video is easily obtainable.That, was for using a cell phone while driving. I hate when people do that but umm, how about farking NO?/I suppose the beatings will continue until morale improves

I like the fistbump at the end. If I had not heard about it and seen it before I would have sworn it was edited from a reno 911 sketch.

Rich Cream:Bear-hugging any woman from behind and slamming her face first into the pavement with your full (armored) weight behind it, while she has her hands bound behind her back, makes you a piece of shiat.

Your partner is also a piece of shiat for enjoying it with you. "Highlights" The full video is easily obtainable.

That, was for using a cell phone while driving. I hate when people do that but umm, how about farking NO?

/I suppose the beatings will continue until morale improves

25 years in prison wouldn't be too harsh for trying to maim someone in custody like that.

Threadslayer:Enemabag Jones: A list:1-Police officer requires a four year degree as a start.2-Police officer is no longer a lifetime job just as working in a bank or in a company is not a lifetime job: this means professionalism, psych tests, and help for other career options if necessary. If they become problem or get sick and tired of it they get fired. They are serving the public and the public is not the enemy.3-Funding for police departments no longer goes to police departments; the goal is order and safety, not profit.4-Stop buying tanks, I think police should stop with the sexy sport cars and idiocracy graphics too. Spend that money on training them on dealing with people, when to not use tazers and making sure they can hit a target ten feet away.5-"Officer of the peace"- Not paramilitary officer. National guard can deal with riots. One function, dealing with real crime and keeping peace.6-Kick out the bullies and cowboys.7-No more quazi-legal 'performance expectations'

THIS

Sounds expensive, but I like it.

Also, more people who think they could do a better job need to sign up and do the job (same with politics).

Maybe the education requirement will help, but it not being a career sure won't. What intelligent and competent person would get a four year degree for a decade or shorter job? They'd come out with a very dated education and the resume issues of those leaving the military. plus any real career takes time to really take off, and now they are earning in their forties what others who didn't serve the state earned in their thirties. So pretty farked I'd say.

Smackledorfer:Threadslayer: Enemabag Jones: A list:1-Police officer requires a four year degree as a start.2-Police officer is no longer a lifetime job just as working in a bank or in a company is not a lifetime job: this means professionalism, psych tests, and help for other career options if necessary. If they become problem or get sick and tired of it they get fired. They are serving the public and the public is not the enemy.3-Funding for police departments no longer goes to police departments; the goal is order and safety, not profit.4-Stop buying tanks, I think police should stop with the sexy sport cars and idiocracy graphics too. Spend that money on training them on dealing with people, when to not use tazers and making sure they can hit a target ten feet away.5-"Officer of the peace"- Not paramilitary officer. National guard can deal with riots. One function, dealing with real crime and keeping peace.6-Kick out the bullies and cowboys.7-No more quazi-legal 'performance expectations'

THIS

Sounds expensive, but I like it.

Also, more people who think they could do a better job need to sign up and do the job (same with politics).

Maybe the education requirement will help, but it not being a career sure won't. What intelligent and competent person would get a four year degree for a decade or shorter job? They'd come out with a very dated education and the resume issues of those leaving the military. plus any real career takes time to really take off, and now they are earning in their forties what others who didn't serve the state earned in their thirties. So pretty farked I'd say.

Second the motion.

There are two problems as I see it, and neither of them can be quantified by surveys or other research. One is the gradual erosion of hiring standards that began back back back in the mists of the late 70's, when physical requirements were relaxed to allow women and other minorities better access to the job, and when written entrance exams were reevaluated for latent racism. Sure, that's a good thing, but whenever you lower standards for the benefit of some, you also have to lower them for the benefit of people you maybe didn't want allowed in. Used to be that cops couldn't have ANY criminal activity on their records, and recently there's been a trend towards accepting guys with juvenile rap sheets and sometimes even lesser adult misdemeanors. Not saying these guys are any worse or better than other cops; but it creates an environment, or a cultural atmosphere, that "some crimes are okay".

The other problem is increasing militarization of the force. Lots of cops started as soldiers. Soldiers are awesome cops: They are disciplined, take orders well, adhere to a chain of command out of reflex, and understand the need for sticking to the book. The problem is, especially in the last 10 years, that soldiers are also trained to kill the enemy, and to view anyone who isn't "us" as the enemy. And a lot of cops coming back or coming into the force today are combat veterans. Again, not saying these are the ones committing the offenses; but this too creates a climate of "us vs. them" and "wipe out your enemy" within the department.

I would say we need to return to a "no prior offenses" standard for sworn officers, even if that's "not fair" to former juvenile offenders; and to stop making military service a bonus in hiring a would-be officer. Soldiers are soldiers, cops are cops, and it should stay that way.

Gyrfalcon ,I would say we need to return to a "no prior offenses" standard for sworn officers, even if that's "not fair" to former juvenile offenders; and to stop making military service a bonus in hiring a would-be officer. Soldiers are soldiers, cops are cops, and it should stay that way.

Amen.

When I had a run-in with cops they asked me if I had been a member of the military, seemingly to possibly give me break after a drink too many.

Here is the deal, it felt like like they were doing house-to-house raids in faljua and they were playing to win. I remember this description of how different branches of the military work, I would bet $100 one or both were a Marine in a past life.

Fighting in a war is not the same as law enforcement in the 50 states, they bring in with them training that may not compliment what where LEO expectations.