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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Patriots by 27. :darthvader:[/quote]The Panthers style of football does not lend itself to them being blown out. So I think the Patriots by 27 is a stretch.

The Panthers five losses were by 20, 4, 4, 9, and 6 points (the last in overtime) for an average loss of 8.6 points. Throw out their first loss, and it's 5.75 points per loss.

I picked the Patriots when this thread started, and still think they will win. But living only an hour from Charlotte has me pulling hard for the Panthers. They've certainly surprised and impressed me, especially with the way they handled the Eagles.

Go Panthers, and may the best commerial win!

Duckman

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marc

I don't know; I see a complete unravelling in the tradition of the mid 80's to early 90's. I keep thinking of Super Bowl XX--Bears 46, Pats 10, and a recent one, XXXV--Ravens 34, Giants 7 (although I don't expect the game to be as boring as that one--the worst Super Bowl ever played).

Imagine this scenario....A group of christians and their families bring pot luck to the church building to watch the super bowl as a "church family" on the big screen. There are kids ranging from 4-19. Adult men and women excitedly await the big game while they munch on nachos and Pepsi. The beginning was not too bad. The tribute to the astronauts was wholesome. Good family message. Some of the other pregame entertainment was questionable, but nothing to get too alarmed about...a little flirtatious and rebellious behavior is to be expected, right?

Then the long awaited halftime show....suddenly men and women in our little church group start to blush and are speechless. This is a gathering of Christians in a church building...not the local bar. I felt defiled and betrayed as did many others. How dare they! This is an American tradition not a promo for Hustler magazine! How dare they presume to throw this filth at the ordinary American public! Something in the American way was killed last night, and I doubt it will ever be revived.

Personally I liked the game itself, very exciting. But I may not watch next year if there is any indication that the sort of trash they had this year at half time will be presented again. It was nothing short of soft porn. The thing is that families were watching this with their small kids (and not so small kids). Our church family was watching it. A half time show with males scantily dressed in speedos, garter belts, fake bras, whips, chains, etc., women dressed in similar ways with a few added details, simulating lesbian and heterosexual sex, and exposed breasts (NOT an accident...very well planned), is not the sort of things most parents want to view with their children or with other Christians for that matter.

The news focused on Janet's breast incident, which was bad, but what about the rest of her act? It was repulsive, but people just seem to close their eyes to it. But then, what do you expect from a halftime show put on by MTV? Have you all watched that station lately? We wonder why our kids get pregnant at 14 and sometimes begin to look like hookers, Goths, and gangsters before our very eyes before they even reach their teens. Where do they learn it? MTV, movies, television. My friend's six year old told her mom recently that she wanted a sexy dress. What do you say to a six year old? They want to look like Brittany. There is very little control and monitoring in most homes anymore. I know; I see it in the schools everyday. If people do not wake up and do something (which personally I do not think there is anything that can be done now), we will totally lose control of all morality left in this country. Sorry to be so negative, but this was a real shock to me and it takes a lot to shock me these days.Emily

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boringoldguy

the first problem with this halftime show (which I didn't watch at all) is that none of these people performing seem to have any real talent, at least from what I've observed in the past. they just seem to be pretty faces (with Kid Rock being the obvious exception) and so the only way to hide their lack of ability is to do something "shocking".

Speaking of Kid Rock, our local news radio station read the lyrics to the song he "sang" which you could not really understand too well last night. The words were awful...I will not even print them. In addition to swear words, there was frequent reference to crackheads and his methadone friends and other drug related terms. There was reference to IRS and other "bast....I have no idea about some of the lyrics from the other performers. The ones from Kid Rock was from WTOP commentary out of DC. This is pathetic, people. Are we going to continue to let this happen? Unfortunately I think so. Hopefully I am just being a pessimist. OK, I will quit ranting now. Em

Well.... the game was terrific. I didn't know what happened at halftime. I turned the sound off. I'm not a fan of any of the performers last night (now if it were Dave Mathews or Counting Crows I would have watched). And instead did some reading, Luke chapter one actually. I didn't find out until I turned the radio on this morning. Of course, I turned the sound off for the pregame stuff too. The one time I turned it on they were playing country music. I'm not sure which was worse Janet or country (just kidding...sort of ;) ).Jim

The Super Bowl game itself was indeed super. My Panthers lost, but they played a great 2 1/4 quarters in doing so (let's not even talk about the first 1 3/4 quarters of the game).

I agree with everyone about the halftime show - it was deplorable. The lyrics could not be understood (which is probably a good thing, actually). I saw crotch grabbing, a breast, and a bunch of people (can you believe some articles actuall call them artists?) with little to no musical talent. And Kid Rock in an American flag smock (or whatever you call it) was disgusting.

But I also saw some of the pregame show, and Josh Groban sang a song during the remembrance of the Columbia tradgedy. I was very moved. There is a man with talent that would have moved me if the song had not had anything to do with the Columbia disaster. And I also thought Beyonce Knowles (I admit she can become trashy sometimes) did a very good job of singing the National Anthem.

So, now what do we do? Can anything be done to let the network and the NFL know how we feel? Do I just continue to live my life as God directs me and hope that I can influence others by that life? Or should I be doing more, and if so, what?

Sometimes I'm at a loss when I see the way our culture has turned to no culture.

Duckman

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marc

I have no illusions that CBS cares what I think--not being a part of the rhythm nation (I didn't realize anyone was anymore), I am not in a desirable demographic--but I do have some hope that there will be enough outcry over this that it wil not be repeated soon. Beyond the basic spectical of rampant vulgarity on what should be the most family-friendly program of the year, we have Kid Rock's drug references and little Justin's verbal and physical endorsement of sexual violence.

There was enough of a mix of low elements to outrage everyone whose mind MTV hasn't already turned to mush.

Don't forget Nellie's song, the main lines of which are: "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" timed perfectly with the dancers ripping off their outer clothes (not all of them, as the song demands) revealing skimpier clothes.

I was with a church group watching this filth. I can sum up my feelings in one word: disappointed. Before Sunday, I believed that the church is the church and the world is the world and you can't expect much from the world in terms of visible morality. Now, I'm wondering just what the church can and should do to keep this garbage from happening again. I know I probably sound like an angry New Yorker on 9-12-01, but seriously, I feel like I've been assaulted by a cunning, sinister, and deceptive army of people and I'm getting a little tired of it. I know I can exercise my right to change the channel any time I want, but come on, this is the Super Bowl. This is supposed to be the best few hours of entertainment in the whole year. Is this our best? How does that affect our witness as a supposedly Christian nation? Or at least a moral one? We have told the world that we are morally bankrupt, socially degenerate, reprobate, decadent, self-loathing, opulent and apathetic. If that had been done in a public area near children, the culprits would be arrested immediately for public indecency and exposing one's self in front of children. Kids were watching. Millions of them.

Now that I think about it, MTV, the performers and producers of that show should be investigated, arrested and tried for lewd behavior. There's the first amendment, and then there's criminal acts of voyeurism. Can I say it just one more time: CHILDREN WERE WATCHING! They knew this! My God, what kind of people do this?!

That cnn.com link I put on the previous page now points to a different story. Now, Jackson is admitting the "costume reveal" and MTV is denying knowledge of it. Investigations are forthcoming. I think the religious right needs to sit this one out and just let the concerned moms and dads of America carry the torch.

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (charlie @ Feb. 03 2004,10:47)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Don't forget Nellie's song, the main lines of which are: "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" timed perfectly with the dancers ripping off their outer clothes (not all of them, as the song demands) revealing skimpier clothes.

I was with a church group watching this filth. I can sum up my feelings in one word: disappointed. Before Sunday, I believed that the church is the church and the world is the world and you can't expect much from the world in terms of visible morality. Now, I'm wondering just what the church can and should do to keep this garbage from happening again. I know I probably sound like an angry New Yorker on 9-12-01, but seriously, I feel like I've been assaulted by a cunning, sinister, and deceptive army of people and I'm getting a little tired of it. I know I can exercise my right to change the channel any time I want, but come on, this is the Super Bowl. This is supposed to be the best few hours of entertainment in the whole year. Is this our best? How does that affect our witness as a supposedly Christian nation? Or at least a moral one? We have told the world that we are morally bankrupt, socially degenerate, reprobate, decadent, self-loathing, opulent and apathetic. If that had been done in a public area near children, the culprits would be arrested immediately for public indecency and exposing one's self in front of children. Kids were watching. Millions of them.

Now that I think about it, MTV, the performers and producers of that show should be investigated, arrested and tried for lewd behavior. There's the first amendment, and then there's criminal acts of voyeurism. Can I say it just one more time: CHILDREN WERE WATCHING! They knew this! My God, what kind of people do this?![/quote]Charlie,As I said in my previous post, at least half our church was watching it as a "family" fun night. We have been spiritually raped by MTV, CBS, and the others who promoted this filth. There is no other way to describe it. Personally, I have a very negative opinion that anything will do any good at all. I think it is too late. It will take something really major...worse than 9-11 to wake our country up. Hopefully, I am wrong and people will rally to the cause and change things...but I doubt anything we do will help that much. Like Marc said, I do not kid myself that CBS or MTV give a hoot what I or evangelical Christians think.For what it's worth, here is an article by AFA and a link to protest if you have the energy.Em***Here is the article...

Just when you think TV can't sink any lower, it does.

During the halftime program for the Super Bowl, CBS showed singer Justin Timberlake tearing off singer Janet Jackson’s top, exposing her breast.

The two singers were performing "Rock Your Body," a risqué duet to end the half time show. The final lyric of the song goes, "Going to have you naked by the end of this song."

According to the Drudge Report, top CBS executives approved the Jackson exposure prior to the game. "The decision to go forward went to the very top of the network," Drudge quoted a well-placed source in New York. Jackson and Timberlake got the ok from CBS for their performance.

In addition, an ad for Bud Lite showed a talking chimp, blatantly asking his owner "babe" if she would like to go upstairs to have sex with him.

Here is what you can do to put a stop on this kind of indecent, profane, vulgar and tasteless programming.

TAKE ACTION

(1). Enter your zip code above and click "Go" to take action to send an email to the FCC, your Representative and two Senators.

(2) File A Formal Complaint with the FCC.

(3) CALL the FCC toll free at 1-888-225-5322 to advise that you are mailing an official indecency complaint about Jackson's exposure during the Super Bowl halftime show.

CALL the FCC toll free at 1-888-225-5322 to advise that you are mailing an official indecency complaint about Jackson's exposure during the Super Bowl halftime show.Please forward this email to at least one friend or family member by clicking "Tell A Friend" button below.

boringoldguy

But if you want to take it one step further, there's something else you can do.

I refused to have cable tv in my house until my children were grown because I didn't want them watching MTV. The kids would say "well get cable and then block MTV" and my response was that i wasn't about to pay for something and then pay extra not to get it. So they did without cable, and it didn't hurt them.

You might consider calling up your cable network and cancelling your service until they dump MTV from the service.That might be a long wait, but it might be a good idea.

In addition, later in the year, there will be a national "no TV" week. As the date approaches, I'll fill you in a bit more.I encourage anybody who is willing to turn the TV off and leave it off to take part. When my wife and I did it, by the end of the week we didn't want to turn the thing on again; we didn't until our daughter came home from school. Nearly a month of reading, conversation and silence. It was wonderful.

My cable provider doesn't give us MTV, so luckily I don't have to pay for the service of not having it.

However, I can program my TV to skip channels in the normal up-down scan, so that would be easy enough. Of course, you could just select the channel number, if you wanted. I don't know if it can automatically block a specific channel.

One word of caution on the Drudge report that CBS knew what was going to happen. When they have a name to go with that insider revelation I will accept it, until then CBS is innocent until proven guilty. All the other parties involved have said that CBS had no knowledge of the incident. This is the type of thing that gets repeated by all the talking heads and becomes defacto truth with no evidence to support it.As for CBS's choice of half-time entertainment in general, yeah, you can slam them for that! Pretty bad decision for a Republican network.Jim

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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Thanks for the AFA links. I'd never heard of them before.[/quote]Don Wildmon can be a bit loopy (I've talked to him on the phone before back when I worked in Christian radio), and sometimes completely misses the point of what he's watching, but he does have an effective organization that has made important people sit up and listen on occasion.

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Jim Abb @ Feb. 03 2004,7:23)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]One word of caution on the Drudge report that CBS knew what was going to happen. When they have a name to go with that insider revelation I will accept it, until then CBS is innocent until proven guilty. All the other parties involved have said that CBS had no knowledge of the incident. This is the type of thing that gets repeated by all the talking heads and becomes defacto truth with no evidence to support it.As for CBS's choice of half-time entertainment in general, yeah, you can slam them for that! Pretty bad decision for a Republican network.Jim[/quote]Jim and Marc,I meant to get back to you sooner to answer your posts, but I have been so busy trying to catch up with work after missing so much with the snow and ice. I do not know anything about the AFA nor its reputation except that the website article was given to me, and it seemed pretty right on in its concern for the Superbowl halftime show. You are right about passing on information without having a name to go with it, and for that I apologize. I nor anyone other than those close to the situation know for sure what CBS knew or didn't know. Hopefully, some good will come from all the negative publicity, and major national events in the future will be more family oriented. I will be more careful in the future about the information that I post second hand.Em

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marc

I wasn't really meaning to be negative regarding the AFA. Wildmon does a good job on these issues--it's just that sometimes he over-reaches. I used to read his reports regularly, and about half would be on target and half would be innaccurate. He has such a good organization, though, that good does at times come from what he does.