I don't know. I think this is one of those cases where he is either guilty and you kick him off the team or acquit him. From a PR standpoint, suspending him is an implicit admission of guilt, which will read as follows on the ESPN banner, "OSU RB CARLOS HYDE RECEIVES 2 GAME SUSPENSION FOR ASSAULTING A WOMAN IN LATE NIGHT INCIDENT AT COLUMBUS BAR IN JULY. HYDE NOT CHARGED BY CPD." That is exactly how it will read, whereas the other way it reads, "OSU RB CARLOS HYDE REINSTATED AFTER BEING CLEARED BY CPD."

I prefer option 2.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

I can't see how you can suspend Hyde for what happened. He was in a bar. He was talking to a girl. There was an altercation that seemed to be over before it began and did no harm sufficient for either party to do more than walk away.

I cannot tell who did what to who in what order, and I believe in innocent until proven otherwise.

If I were Urban, I could not suspend Carlos unless I have proof that he hit this girl with intent to hurt her.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

I can't tell much of anything from that video. I guess that says something right there since if there were real punches being thrown you would think it wouuld be pretty obvious.

Both of them probably reacted poorly but crap like this happens in every city, every night of the year. Probably 99+% of the time the police are never involved.

Urban's going to have to earn his money on this one. He's going to look bad no mater what he does. I don't think he's going to want to mess-up Hyde's career over this but he also needs to send a message and follow-up that he is serious about his core principles. I would guess 3-5 games which is harsh in light of what happened.

That video looks like it was shot out of the sims or something equally dumb.

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

Govbarney wrote:Its pretty clear from that video that Hyde was attempting to maim that poor innocent girl, the fact she is still able to walk is testament to modern medical science.

Seriously CPD, it took you a week to deliberate over that... To busy with the Deep-Fried Oreo's at the State Fair...?

I get that Urban has to set an example , but if this didn't happen at tOSU that kid is getting a stern talking to, and some gassers after practice.

IDK I exhonorate Hyde for being stupid.

I think they're ALL a bunch of idiots. The whole stupid meat market scene. And yeah, I did at that age, too.

You got your line of young "ladies" with their asses to the gallery shaking it, prolly to some lame house rap calling them hoes and encouraging their treatment as hoes to the men watching them (or as Robyn Thicke calls it, "satire") , like as if they're in a harem waiting for the prince to pick them out to do them. Classy. My fav is the fat one in the line. Oh, girl, don't you know? The whole scene of utterly confused and misguided female "empowerment". Preach on sister Ke$ha. Self-esteem issues much? Bunhch a wanna be hoes who get upset when called hoes as a result of their behaviors.

You have your meat head jocks surveying the landscape like caveman, replete with mister wizard and his flashlight.

$5 will get you $ 10 that Carlos, like he's probably done 1,000 times before, often successfully, walks up with a charming opening line to the hot one in the tiny white shorts and says, "Hey, baby, you want to come with us and pull train for the Buckeyes? You know you wanna."

And the one up there dancing like a hoe, ass shaking to a group of entitled super X chromosone men, gets all upset that she's treated like a hoe and "disrespected" like as if she's sitting on a park bench having lunch innocently. "I was just dancing with a group of girls and and and HE TALKED TO ME!....."

And so she tries to slap Carlos. Instead of taking the slap and laughing at her tipsy ass he swats back. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

The whole episode, of course, was about as violent as two kittens pawing each other in passing on the way to separate yarn balls. But this is 2013 after all. INCIDENT! ESPN! URBAN IS THIS ANOTHER AARON HERNANDEZ?!?

Meat markets are for morons.

Young women who act like that in meat markets and then holla empowerment and feign outrage are delusional.

Young men who just stand there and don't even fake trying to make an effort before asking for "you're just a piece of meat with a gash" entitled-sex preceded by "Do you know who I am?" are dooshbags.

I seriously doubt Carlos walked up and said , "excuse me Miss, would you care to dance?" Or even just offered to buy her a drink, given the reaction.

Then you got slim shady walking up a few minutes after to try to defend her honor. Thank God that didn't escalate into a cluster fuck of AI proportions.

They're all a bunch of vapid sheep and part of a culture.... that I help create from being a football fan. F me. Football players being a-hole football players and football groupies who probably went there knowing the "club's" rep for having Buckeyes there... all of them. They deserve each other.

But the incident? Nothing I haven't seen a hundred times without a much greater reaction.... before I turned about 19 and started going to real bars.

To the extent Urbs can plant the seed to one of the young men he's charged with helping develop as an adult that he ought change his thinking so he can grow up some part from just being a "football" issue? I applaud him tilting at that windmill.

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I think they're ALL a bunch of idiots. The whole stupid meat market scene. And yeah, I did at that age, too.

You got your line of young "ladies" with their asses to the gallery shaking it like as if they're in a harem waiting for the prince to pick them out to do them. Classy. My fav is the fat one in the line. Oh, girl, don't you know? The whole scene of utterly confused and misguided female "empowerment". Preach on sister Ke$ha. Self-esteem issues much? Bunhch a wanna be hoes who get upset when called hoes as a result of their behaviors.

You have your meat head jocks surveying the landscape like caveman, replete with mister wizard and his flashlight.

$5 will get you $ 10 that Carlos, like he's probably done 1,000 times before, often successfully, walks up with a charming opening line to the hot one in the tiny white shorts and says, "Hey, baby, you want to come with us and pull train for the Buckeyes? You know you wanna."

And the one up there dancing like a hoe, ass shaking to a group of entitled super X chromosone men, gets all upset that she's treated like a hoe and "disrespected" like as if she's sitting on a park bench having lunch innocently. "I was just dancing with a group of girls and and and HE TALKED TO ME!....."

And so she tries to slap Carlos. Instead of taking the slap and laughing at her tipsy ass he swats back. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

The whole episode, of course, was about as violent as two kittens pawing each other in passing on the way to separate yarn balls. But this is 2013 after all. INCIDENT! ESPN! URBAN IS THIS ANOTHER AARON HERNANDEZ?!?

Meat markets are for morons.

Young women who act like that in meat markets and then holla empowerment and feign outrage are delusional.

Young men who just stand there and don't even fake trying to make an effort before asking for "you're just a piece of meat with a gash" entitled-sex preceded by "Do you know who I am?" are dooshbags.

I seriously doubt Carlos walked up and said , "excuse me Miss, would you care to dance?" Or even just offered to buy her a drink, given the reaction.

Then you got slim shady walking up a few minutes after to try to defend her honor. Thank God that didn't escalate into a cluster fuck of AI proportions.

They're all a bunch of vapid sheep and part of a culture.... that I help create from being a football fan. F me. Football players being a-hole football players and football groupies who probably went there knowing the "club's" rep for having Buckeyes there... all of them. They deserve each other.

But the incident? Nothing I haven't seen a hundred times without a much greater reaction.... before I turned about 19 and started going to real bars.

To the extent Urbs can plant the seed to one of the young men he's charged with helping develop as an adult that he ought change his thinking so he can grow up some part from just being a "football" issue? I applaud him tilting at that windmill.

Now that's what I call breaking down film.

"I believe it is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting." H.L. Mencken

Less for Meyer, because he was somewhat hemmed in by national talk and the perceived need to set an example, and more for a national culture that feels a need to punish a kid for being a kid. Hyde did nothing wrong that I saw, certainly not that could be proved. My philosophy is that punishing someone for something you cannot prove is almost always a worse outcome than whatever you're punishing the person for in the first place.

I can understand if Meyer wants to give him laps or windsprints, or whatever practice field punishments he has at his disposal. But I really do think that taking games away from Hyde over this, absent some problems Hyde has that we don't know about, seems to me to be a huge overreaction.

I saw two kids being dumb. No victims here. If there were no victims, than I can't see the need for what is basically the harshest kind of punishment Meyer can met out.

Less for Meyer, because he was somewhat hemmed in by national talk and the perceived need to set an example, and more for a national culture that feels a need to punish a kid for being a kid. Hyde did nothing wrong that I saw, certainly not that could be proved. My philosophy is that punishing someone for something you cannot prove is almost always a worse outcome than whatever you're punishing the person for in the first place.

I can understand if Meyer wants to give him laps or windsprints, or whatever practice field punishments he has at his disposal. But I really do think that taking games away from Hyde over this, absent some problems Hyde has that we don't know about, seems to me to be a huge overreaction.

I saw two kids being dumb. No victims here. If there were no victims, than I can't see the need for what is basically the harshest kind of punishment Meyer can met out.

I get this take. I really do.

This is political. Carlos is paying for what Aaron hernandez did, Tatoo-gate, and Storm Klein as much or more as what he did.

Less for Meyer, because he was somewhat hemmed in by national talk and the perceived need to set an example, and more for a national culture that feels a need to punish a kid for being a kid. Hyde did nothing wrong that I saw, certainly not that could be proved. My philosophy is that punishing someone for something you cannot prove is almost always a worse outcome than whatever you're punishing the person for in the first place.

I can understand if Meyer wants to give him laps or windsprints, or whatever practice field punishments he has at his disposal. But I really do think that taking games away from Hyde over this, absent some problems Hyde has that we don't know about, seems to me to be a huge overreaction.

I saw two kids being dumb. No victims here. If there were no victims, than I can't see the need for what is basically the harshest kind of punishment Meyer can met out.

I know you shouldn't formulate your punishment based on what you think people will say about it afterwords, and what the general public reaction to it will be nationwide....but that's where we are.

You're both right...it is political...Meyer is rightly sensitive to the perception that he coddled players who behaved badly at Florida, and he is on record as saying he wants his punishments for misbehaving players at OSU to the the most severe anywhere. Imagine the outcry if Hyde skated here without any suspension at all...there would be all manner of cynical posturing about the circumstances of the girl declining to press charges...blah, blah...you know what we could expect from the under-informed and the garden variety Urban-haters and OSU-haters.

Hyde pays the price for all the previous transgressions, but also just for being an OSU player in 2013. Walk away. It's not as if he hadn't been preached to enough about it.

"I believe it is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting." H.L. Mencken

Every once in a while I am reminded of getting sucked into Cleveland sports talk by JB back in the days of Usenet when stuff archived to CSML or whatever it was.. Even though I don't write too much, as a Cleveland sports junkie I had to have some kind of fix in the 90s. Jesus I remember reading that when my kid starting college was a 2 year old pup sitting on my lap because he loved the "modem" sound of dialing-in.

e0y2e3 wrote:Ben Axelrod ‏@BenAxelrod 27sUrban Meyer says that Ohio State RB Rod Smith has been suspended for the Buckeyes' opener for an incident that occurred in February

So, uhm, Dunn, Ball and EZ-E gonna get their shot.

Rod Smith blowing his last opportunity.

fixed it for you.

This three game stretch was his shot to show from the beginning that he was at the very least the #2 back on the team this year and solidify his spot as starter next year. Those 3 games were a chance to show consistency, now he has 2 at best. Assuming Dunn, Ball or EZ-E don't jump out and just take that job in Game 1.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.