I have to disagree on the self defense part. Using both hands to break a grip is the most efficient and effective method to do so since it allows you to apply the maximum amount of force to overcome the gripping strength of an attacker. Being grabbed and controlled is something that needs to prevented or escaped from quickly in a self defense situation.

I was talking about this rule: "The referees should strictly penalize the contestants who do not engage in a quick Kumikata grip or who try not to be gripped by the opponent.", not grip breaking one. Grip fighting is almost useless in a SD situation. In SD you must get a hold of the enemy as fast as possible and grip fighting training do not add anything in a SD scenario.

I was talking about this rule: "The referees should strictly penalize the contestants who do not engage in a quick Kumikata grip or who try not to be gripped by the opponent.", not grip breaking one. Grip fighting is almost useless in a SD situation. In SD you must get a hold of the enemy as fast as possible and grip fighting training do not add anything in a SD scenario.

so you think that the skills that grip fighting build (learning to get grips and break grips against a resisting opponent) are not useful in self defense?

i would say that knowing how to get grips on someone trying to prevent you from doing so, and to break grips that have been established would be extremely valuable skills, especially for a judoka looking to apply their training in a self defense situation.

what's your judo rank? how much do you compete?

"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj

I was talking about this rule: "The referees should strictly penalize the contestants who do not engage in a quick Kumikata grip or who try not to be gripped by the opponent.", not grip breaking one. Grip fighting is almost useless in a SD situation. In SD you must get a hold of the enemy as fast as possible and grip fighting training do not add anything in a SD scenario.

What definition of self defense are you using, because it sure isn't the same as mine, which mostly involves avoiding or getting away from danger. Actually going on the offensive is only for situations where violence is completely unavoidable, and even then only for however long it takes before it's safe to run away.

so you think that the skills that grip fighting build (learning to get grips and break grips against a resisting opponent) are not useful in self defense?

They banned long grip fighting not all fighting. No one new isn't going to know how to grip fight. The loss of total skill isn't enough to create people unable to deal with someone that got a grip on your clothes.

Originally Posted by Just Guess

Actually going on the offensive is only for situations where violence is completely unavoidable, and even then only for however long it takes before it's safe to run away.

The kind of oponent that you can beat by camly getting a superior grip on his clothes and unbalancing him and pushing him to the ground and running away or just running away is not the kind of guy I am worried for. I am worried about guys bigger, younger, stronger than me in situations I cannot just run. These guys are the ones coming at me with haymakers that do have enough power to hurt/KO me. These guys are the ones I need to reduce as much as possible his striking capacity as fast as possible and a long grip fighting is not going to help me with that.

I am no Judoka. Got some months only of training in Judo. Train in Sanshou and BJJ.
My opinion is based on the short, but that happened, training in Judo with some comps at white belt level, my training in BJJ which includes some BJJ for MMA and SD, my observation of both Judo competition and MMA participation of judokas including Combat Sambo which is done in the gi and, most important at all, logic, common sense and by watching plenty of videos of street fighting and live performances of drunk people in pubs.

They banned long grip fighting not all fighting. No one new isn't going to know how to grip fight. The loss of total skill isn't enough to create people unable to deal with someone that got a grip on your clothes.

wait. what?

I am no Judoka. Got some months only of training in Judo.

oh, now it makes sense. don't go posting as an expert in an art you don't practice.

"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj

Did you even tried to understand what I wrote? Time, not quality, is what takes the biggest hit in the rule change.

The last thread of discussion was about you complaining about my view on grips and self-defense, not about the technical details of a Judo competition.

Ask one of your biggest friends to try to knock you out by punching then try to apply what you are saying about gripping against him then you will understand why it will not work.

since you neither practice judo, nor compete in it, you have no business making factual statements about the rule changes that you don't compete under.

you could guess, but it's a guess. i have taken some BJJ, but don't regularly practice it or compete, so if i was to try to make definitive statements about rule changes in BJJ, it would be absurd, and i would come off like an arrogant asshole (like you just did)

get it?

"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj

since you neither practice judo, nor compete in it, you have no business making factual statements about the rule changes that you don't compete under.

you could guess, but it's a guess. i have taken some BJJ, but don't regularly practice it or compete, so if i was to try to make definitive statements about rule changes in BJJ, it would be absurd, and i would come off like an arrogant asshole (like you just did)

get it?

I think you two need to have one of those Bullshido meet up and beat up meetings. Then post a follow up video of the hatefest.

since you neither practice judo, nor compete in it, you have no business making factual statements about the rule changes that you don't compete under.

you could guess, but it's a guess. i have taken some BJJ, but don't regularly practice it or compete, so if i was to try to make definitive statements about rule changes in BJJ, it would be absurd, and i would come off like an arrogant asshole (like you just did)

get it?

By your viewpoint, since you neither street fight regularly, nor do any self defense oriented martial art, you have no business making factual statements about the use of your skills in something that you don't train for.

If you made any comment about a BJJ rule, I would just point out that X will result in Y instead of trying to act like an expert in using BJJ for self-defense as my self-defense training is limited to some classes oriented for that per year and zero bar brawls, which I doubt you even have the equivalent in your Judo class.

By your viewpoint, since you neither street fight regularly, nor do any self defense oriented martial art, you have no business making factual statements about the use of your skills in something that you don't train for.

If you made any comment about a BJJ rule, I would just point out that X will result in Y instead of trying to act like an expert in using BJJ for self-defense as my self-defense training is limited to some classes oriented for that per year and zero bar brawls, which I doubt you even have the equivalent in your Judo class.

nice try, but we were talking about IJF judo rules, and you wanted to look like some sort of expert. i pointed out that you were talking out your ass, and you got upset about it.

you're still acting like an ignorant tool, you might want to work on that.

"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj