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Impulse 9

Posted 2017-03-04 @ 20:26

Impulse 9

Donating Officers

24 hr - Ignoring prior warnings or instructions by Mission Leader/Squad Leads/Game Moderators/Officers.1 week - All Minor Disruptions in an Intentional Aspect.Intentional taking the vehicle in question after requesting permission, and being told not to.When questioned later in mission by the leader that told him not to take the asset, he drove off laughing continuing to disregard the leader in question.

Scope

Posted 2017-03-04 @ 21:05

Scope

Members

LocationVancouver

As mission CO, Aviator (SqL) requested permission after the start of the mission to take a jeep otherwise not being used. I denied the request, and he acknowledged that. Later, as the platoon began to move out, I saw his squad mounted into that same vehicle. I asked for it to stop, confirmed that it was his section inside the vehicle, and that Aviator was the one driving. I told them to abandon the vehicle and proceed dismounted. The driver proceeded to ignore my request and continue with the platoon, mounted. At the same time, I heard someone laughing locally from within the vehicle. I got onto the platoon radio and ordered his section to stop, dismount, and proceed on foot. Only after this request did the vehicle stop, troops dismount, and proceed on foot.

I recognize 100% that the way I command missions is not what this community is used to anymore. I'm fairly blunt, direct, and won't hesitate to speak my mind, especially when in flustering command positions. So I can understand if Aviator was annoyed at the way I was choosing to lead that op. There are so, so, so many ways I would have preferred that malcontent be addressed to me -- number one of which would be talking to me after the mission about why I was getting on his nerves and how to avoid that in the future. It was my overwhelming feeling during this mission that Aviator willfully chose to disobey my orders regarding that vehicle (rather than lack of communication/misunderstanding), and his lack of cooperation throughout that mission only further cemented my understanding that he was acting out against the way I was leading it.

I take at least partial responsibility for the events that led to this situation (namely, my leadership style and blunt attitude), but also believe that the way Aviator conducted himself as SL was wholly not conducive to a good play environment.

I would request that this ban be de-escalated to its most logical conclusion, pending his reply.

Aviator

Posted 2017-03-04 @ 23:16

Aviator

Members

LocationFinland

Before we get Deep to the ban there is something important in this ban and that is i am Sorry for the Mistakes & Failures i have done during the Mission i bring this up because during this ban it might feel like i am not regretting the actions and etc. During the making of this i've lost a lot of work because of the forum and good ones too that i regret accidently hitting back-space trying to modify text. i am Sorry​ and i'm asking you not to Forget​, i hope you do not get a Negative ​view.

First of all the Slander being told on the Case​.

he drove off laughing continuing to disregard the leader in question.

the Slander​ quote is obvious to me and it might not be to You, first thing i wanna get off on is that "he drove off laughing continuing to disregard the leader in question." this is False Information and i do not know who told you about it, i find Nothing​ funny in this situation and i wasn't laughing, okay let me tell what happened here on my Side​, during the moment i presume he says i drove off was while we we're outside of the Base, We got inside the Land Rover with the Squad that a Squad Member was driving and the Squad Member​​, we stopped mid-way outside of the Base​ squaddie while he embarked the Land Rover we drove 5 meters from where we picked him up and Scope the Mission Commander​ run behind us yells us that we we're supposed to Walk​. so i quote tell him "Ok" and i said it in a Positive way and to be more clear i understand what he is saying, that we are to go on Foot to the Area of Operations​, so after saying "Ok" and if i remember right i might have said "Let's go" to the personnel inside the vehicle implying to Dismount​, can't really confirm the Let's go part but after saying "Ok" the Driver who is a Squad Member​floors it on the Land Rover.

I pre-assume he meant to drive behind the Ridge to Cover the Land Rover from the Hostiles​ and doing so he drove 150 Meters from the Mission Commander to Cover the Land Rover, when he was behind the Ridgeline​ he drove a couple more unnecessary meters so i told him Stop and told everyone to Dismount the Land Rover​ and told everyone that we're going to Walk to the objective which i believe to be 8 kilometers​ and turning to see what the Mission Commander is going to do but he stood there motionless, during the mission i was never confronted by the Commanding Personnel​ after we Dismounted and Continued with the Mission​ and even in the end for some reason our Squad was Complimented in the De-Briefing by the Mission Commander​.

Look i Understand why you would ban me, i Understand that it is harming emotionally when someone does not Obey when they are to and they can't do anything about it but that wasn't what i believe to fully happen i wasn't the Driver or the Person Laughing, as i described we abandoned the Land Rover and pre-assumed on Foot. this is a Misunderstanding​, i pre-assume this ban is mainly due to the "he drove on laughing continuing to disregard the leader in question." i don't find that Funny at all it's just not who i am, i just wanted to bring us an advantage in the Battle by Utilizing the Asset​, and i saw no risk or flaw in doing so as there was a Ridge​ allowing amazing cover where the hostiles had no visual beyond and it went up all the way to the city where we would have Dismounted​ no reason was given to us for not doing so also. I apologize the Personnel i may have Risked also the Time wasted in doing so to Everybody.

I hope you see the Effort i have made yes it was dumb of me to take the Land Rover.

in writing this Apology, Perspective and i believe to be the Truth from my Side​ and i believe yours i hope i will be Forgiven​, i don't know if it helps or harms but i'm gonna throw it out there. It took me 2 hours to make this.

_FR_Starfox64

Posted 2017-03-05 @ 05:08

When questioned later in mission by the leader that told him not to take the asset, he drove off laughing continuing to disregard the leader in question.

I was in the vehicle when this happened, the driver drove the vehicle to put it in defilade behind the ridge as we were pretty much on top of it. Aviator drove about 75m before stopping and ordering us to dismount.

Aviator

Posted 2017-03-06 @ 02:14

Aviator

Members

LocationFinland

I am going to try to write this Reply to respond to the other Replies as Passive as i can get it so it does not create a Negative view because i am not seeking one. also no names will be included other than Roles.

Who was the driver in this instance? ​

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The Driver was the Team Leader of the Section that I ordered to Drive the Land Rover. ​Marked due to many repeating I drove the Vehicle.

and that Aviator was the one driving.

Aviator drove about 75m before stopping and ordering us to dismount.

If you were the Squad leader, and according to the brief from the mission commander it was stated that you were not going to take vehicles.

​If I remember correctly there was no mention of this in the Briefing, I only asked Permission during In-Game. look i'm saying that because the Mission Commander said in the Quote below in a Reply on this Topic.

As mission CO, Aviator (SqL) requested permission after the start of the mission to take a jeep otherwise not being used.

Why did you not tell your squad to dismount at the beginning?

​Because I attempted to utilize this Asset during the mission, I believed we had an advantage if we utilized it, when confronted about the situation the second time outside of the base I was going to order a safe dismount behind a ridge that was close, we drove the vehicle to Safety behind a Ridge that we planned to travel in cover with the Land Rover, un-fortunately to accomplish this we had to drive 150 meters to hide it from the Enemies, After that we Presumed on Foot to the Phaseline that I believe to be 3 kilometers from Setup Area

Did you leave the setup area in vehicles, as a group or was it only your squad that was in a vehicle?

Yes we left the Setup Area with the vehicle and there was only one vehicle in our use for 1 minute after we abandoned it behind the Ridge 160 meters from Setup Area to continue the mission on Foot as requested by the Mission Commander when he asked us outside of the Setup Area in the Open, we drove behind the Ridge at the moment because i believed it would give us the best results.

I got onto the platoon radio and ordered his section to stop, dismount, and proceed on foot.

I heard nothing over the Platoon Radio, it might have been due to us being in close proximity at the moment you we're broadcasting over the net.

Impulse 9

Posted 2017-03-07 @ 01:54

azzwort

Posted 2017-03-07 @ 03:18

azzwort

Donating Officers

LocationTexas

There's nothing to comment on, the incident has a video backing up scope's story. Even if aviator was not driving, he told the driver to go when scope confronted him. Ban should, and is going to be upheld, there's a difference between joking around and being a dick.

It doesn't matter if you drove 50 meters or 500 meters, you were told to drive zero meters.

​Because I attempted to utilize this Asset during the mission, I believed we had an advantage if we utilized it, when confronted about the situation the second time outside of the base I was going to order a safe dismount behind a ridge that was close, we drove the vehicle to Safety behind a Ridge that we planned to travel in cover with the Land Rover, un-fortunately to accomplish this we had to drive 150 meters to hide it from the Enemies, After that we Presumed on Foot to the Phaseline that I believe to be 3 kilometers from Setup Area

Essentially you're arguing that because you felt that utilization of the vehicle would be advantageous, you should ignore your commander and do what you think is best? Look, I give my squad leaders a lot of freedom to do things that they see fit, but at the same time if I tell them to do something, I don't like it when they do the exact opposite of that order.

You asked for permission, that's good, but when you ask for permission and you get an answer that you don't like, you have to accept that.

Scope

Posted 2017-03-07 @ 16:06

Scope

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LocationVancouver

I just don't understand what you were doing in that vehicle at all, Aviator. You asked me at the beginning of the mission whether your team could take it, and I told you no. You heard me say it, you acknowledged that I'd said it, that was that. So when I saw you and your squad in that vehicle, after I'd specifically told you not to, the only reasonable conclusion I could draw was that you were disobeying orders. Either that, or you had such a loose grasp on your squad that you shouldn't have been leading at all.

So when I came up to your vehicle and ordered you dismounted and on foot, it was done from the perspective that you either were intentionally ignoring our earlier conversation, or were not in a position of control in your squad. Either way, the reaction I was expecting was, your squad dismounts the vehicle immediately and proceeds on foot. That didn't happen either.

The video above doesn't have long-range comms on, so the context is sketchy, but the vehicle only stops after I get on long-range comms and again order your vehicle to halt, your infantry to dismount, and for you to proceed on foot. That was the third time that you and I had talked about my intentions, the third time I'd told you you were not to take the vehicle, and the third time I had to intervene on a squad level to rectify the situation.

I would love to see this ban de-escalated to time served, but I also feel like the time you've spent away from ArmA has a point -- I've only been back as a part of this community for a matter of months and I have never had a session with you where I felt you actually gave your best effort at playing cooperatively, exercising good teamwork and coordination and communication. Please, for the love of God, push yourself to be a more active participant here and help increase the quality of play on the server, instead of being an accomplice to ridiculous shit like this.