Post by coconut on Nov 15, 2013 15:33:18 GMT -5

After reading those coachella posts about Ron, it almost seems like they wanted to keep him around to have fun. Most of those posters seem like giant morons anyway. It's a weird angry circle-jerk over on that dark side.

Post by Druid on Nov 15, 2013 15:36:25 GMT -5

If you're saying that in a comparative sense, like it won't be done here because it hasn't been done there, that doesn't really jive with years of reading things people have said about trying to separate Inforoo from the typical ethos of a message board like the Coachella forum. Seems like a good time to let that community spirit that's always brought up over here to shine through.

Don't read that much into my question. I was honestly curious if there had been any call to ban him there.

Post by coconut on Nov 15, 2013 15:54:11 GMT -5

The coachella boards are overly confrontational. It looks like a bunch of nobodies yelling at each other out of a mix of frustration from knowing nothing about the lineup and having nobody actually paying attention to anything they say in real life. I do realize that this statement pretty much sums up the entire internet, but maybe the California sun is making them all crazy.

Post by Gibran on Nov 15, 2013 16:43:50 GMT -5

To be clear, I don't think having sex with underage prostitutes technically makes you a child "molester," but I'm not a cop.

Everyone makes mistakes

But this is the internet, Dan. Being mean is cool...and being mean and witty is even cooler. It was dumb of Ron to admit such a thing in such a place.

My dealing with Ron or anybody else on this board are...on this board, unless I choose that to be different. If they behave in a respectful way here I have no problem with them. Especially things they have done in the past. If they offer it up I may choose to voice my opinion about it and may choose to not interact with them outside this forum. But, I will not take any opportunity to make comments and be a jerk whenever I get the chance. That is just me though, I can make separate my interaction on this board from real life. It gives me no satisfaction to degrade, admonish, or make rude comments to anybody. Hopefully the ones that it does give satisfaction to will get bored with it or Ron will get tired of it and choose to stay away. Not saying he has to do do that. I will respond to Ron in a respectful way in the course of conversation on topics in this forum if that situation arrises. But again, that is just me.

Post by Gibran on Nov 15, 2013 17:42:26 GMT -5

But this is the internet, Dan. Being mean is cool...and being mean and witty is even cooler. It was dumb of Ron to admit such a thing in such a place.

My dealing with Ron or anybody else on this board are...on this board, unless I choose that to be different. If they behave in a respectful way here I have no problem with them. Especially things they have done in the past. If they offer it up I may choose to voice my opinion about it and may choose to not interact with them outside this forum. But, I will not take any opportunity to make comments and be a jerk whenever I get the chance. That is just me though, I can make separate my interaction on this board from real life. It gives me no satisfaction to degrade, admonish, or make rude comments to anybody. Hopefully the ones that it does give satisfaction to will get bored with it or Ron will get tired of it and choose to stay away. Not saying he has to do do that. I will respond to Ron in a respectful way in the course of conversation on topics in this forum if that situation arrises. But again, that is just me.

And this passive aggressive high-road thing is...nice?

You can categorize it anyway you want. All it really is, is how I feel about it. You can agree or disagree.

Post by Gibran on Nov 15, 2013 19:19:57 GMT -5

Clever but not correct. My post was not degrading to anyone. I have no problem with anybody that voiced their opinion on this or any other matter. But keeping it going and continuing to make posts that are no longer an opinion but only meant to make fun and be snarky is what I do not see a point in.

I am no hypocrite. If you want to discuss my integrity any further we can do it in PM, I doubt that was what you meant, but not going to do it here.

Anywho, all I wanted to do was to voice my thoughts. I am done with it, unless it turns into a problem the mods need to deal with.

Post by Druid on Nov 15, 2013 20:27:23 GMT -5

Today is the first day, that I am aware of, that there has been a call for Ron's ban. And it was brought on by a thread started by a new account poster. Prior to this, it has been confined to jokes about the situation. I said that I was open to a civil discussion about the matter. I still am.

We don't ban duplicate account posters. We ask that they pick one account, and stick with it, and get rid of the other one.

As far as the Bigg Capp Dogg, this is how I see it. We as Mods never sanctioned that account. You asked, then made the account. I assume you took our silence as agreement. We ignored it. But it went too far, as a lot of fun things do. So we asked you to stop. You didn't. So we banned that account. We are trying to maintain a good relationship with AC/Superfly. That is hard to do when you openly mock the man in charge. As they have said, they read this board.

We as mods are not perfect, as we have pointed out to us on a regular basis. But we are doing the best we can with a situation that we have never dealt with before.

Anyone else that would like jump into this big steaming pile of mess and weigh in, please do so. I would appreciate hearing some other opinions.

Post by Gibran on Nov 15, 2013 20:41:30 GMT -5

Chareth if you want to have a discussion, fine. We can do that, since this one poster on a message board is oh so important to you. But do not put words in my mouth. I will answer any questions you have about anything I have said. Since you only had a few constructive questions, I will answer them. The rest is just your attempt to paint my words in the worst possible light. Good job.

1. So...if he admits to having sex with underage prostitutes last week, it's not okay?

Nope, not ok. Nor was ok 5 10 or 20 years ago when it happened. But, my opinion is that it has no bearing on membership on a music message board.

Post by Druid on Nov 15, 2013 20:45:00 GMT -5

But let's not let this get in the way of the real discussion - Colorado Ron having sex with underage prostitutes, people thinking that's a mockable offense, and other people who think that it's no big deal.

Thank you for clarifying. And to openly convey my stand point on the issue in question, I think it is disgusting. I do not for one second think it is no big deal.

I have to go. We got stuck in traffic for 2 hours due to accidents and all I did was talk about this because it has upset me so. My husband is going to divorce me if I don't step away from this.

Post by Boner on Nov 15, 2013 20:54:17 GMT -5

Today is the first day, that I am aware of, that there has been a call for Ron's ban. And it was brought on by a thread started by a new account poster. Prior to this, it has been confined to jokes about the situation. I said that I was open to a civil discussion about the matter. I still am.

We don't ban duplicate account posters. We ask that they pick one account, and stick with it, and get rid of the other one.

As far as the Bigg Capp Dogg, this is how I see it. We as Mods never sanctioned that account. You asked, then made the account. I assume you took our silence as agreement. We ignored it. But it went too far, as a lot of fun things do. So we asked you to stop. You didn't. So we banned that account. We are trying to maintain a good relationship with AC/Superfly. That is hard to do when you openly mock the man in charge. As they have said, they read this board.

We as mods are not perfect, as we have pointed out to us on a regular basis. But we are doing the best we can with a situation that we have never dealt with before.

Anyone else that would like jump into this big steaming pile of mess and weigh in, please do so. I would appreciate hearing some other opinions.

can you ask AC/Superfly if it would offend them to reopen the Bigg Capps Dog account? You know what? F*ck that! I hope it offends them. These people did book a Van Halen cover band for a LN set after all! You don't think they weren't trolling there?

Post by Boner on Nov 16, 2013 5:10:07 GMT -5

. Ban cr**** or don't. Maybe set up a bot that ends his posts with a statement of admitted underage sexual deviancy, instead of cr***.. Whatever. If nothing happens from the authoritarian position, then the "community" will carry out matters in their own hands I'm sure . Let it be! JUST GIVE US BACK THE BIGG CAPPS DOG!

Seriously! Give cr**** something to think about. ( I highly doubt being banned from a music festival message board will be the straw that breaks the underage Mexican prostitutes back, but maybe he' ll think wiser of his life choices, once some of them are taken away.) Again, doubtful he'll give a shiz IRL, just sayin, GIVE US EL CAPPS DOG BACK!!!

Post by aquadrunk on Nov 16, 2013 7:10:21 GMT -5

. Ban cr**** or don't. Maybe set up a bot that ends his posts with a statement of admitted underage sexual deviancy, instead of cr***.. Whatever. If nothing happens from the authoritarian position, then the "community" will carry out matters in their own hands I'm sure . Let it be! JUST GIVE US BACK THE BIGG CAPPS DOG!

Seriously! Give cr**** something to think about. ( I highly doubt being banned from a music festival message board will be the straw that breaks the underage Mexican prostitutes back, but maybe he' ll think wiser of his life choices, once some of them are taken away.) Again, doubtful he'll give a shiz IRL, just sayin, GIVE US EL CAPPS DOG BACK!!!

Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Nov 16, 2013 10:27:47 GMT -5

I really have a hard time imagining AC getting upset with an outlandish parody account. If anyone on this board was tricked into believing Bonnaroo was run by a ruthless capitalist who hates his customers, I'd love to hear it.

On a side note, apparently Joe Biden is a huge fan of his Camero driving alter ego portrayed in the Onion.

Post by emoney on Nov 16, 2013 10:45:16 GMT -5

How can anyone in a position of power not think something like this warrants an immediate and severe response? Is this how you want to represent the community that you've worked so hard to build?

Let me ask you a question, mods: If the underage mexican prostitutes were 11 years old, would you have banned him as soon as you found out? If your answer is yes, then not taking action is implicitly condoning what he did as "not so bad", whether you want to admit it or not. If your answer is no, WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH YOU???

I'm sure you won't take this post seriously because it's coming from EMoney, the Jokeman Troll, but I'm posting it anyway because I feel strongly about things like this. Get some perspective, and think long and hard about what you want the inforoo community to be.

Post by Gibran on Nov 16, 2013 12:11:47 GMT -5

How can anyone in a position of power not think something like this warrants an immediate and severe response? Is this how you want to represent the community that you've worked so hard to build?

Let me ask you a question, mods: If the underage mexican prostitutes were 11 years old, would you have banned him as soon as you found out? If your answer is yes, then not taking action is implicitly condoning what he did as "not so bad", whether you want to admit it or not. If your answer is no, WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH YOU???

I'm sure you won't take this post seriously because it's coming from EMoney, the Jokeman Troll, but I'm posting it anyway because I feel strongly about things like this. Get some perspective, and think long and hard about what you want the inforoo community to be.

In my past I have done things that would have brought felony charges. I was not caught, I faced no punishment. I am not exactly proud of my past life but I am not exactly repentant either. And I certainly would not be to people on the internet I have never met, if I was dumb enough to give those accounts on a message board. Do you want to ban me now?

I have friends from High School that did some horrible things all those years ago. Some served lengthy jail terms. For the past 15-20 years they have turned themselves into pretty good people. If they would have continued on that path I would not have remained friends, but they did not. Nor did I.

Having this knowledge does change things. Since there is a history, if Ron would contact a young woman on here or make an inappropriate comment or advocate for underage prostitution I would not hesitate to ban him. I have not seen any of that behavior on here.

Is Ron an open advocate for having sex with underage prostitutes? Has he done it since the initial incident? I believe that makes a difference. I understand he is not repentant. At least to you guys. I am sure I would not be either, no matter how I truly felt about it, if I was being mauled.

I have thought a lot about what I want this community to be. I have been thinking about for years, in fact. That is a quite a comment coming from you, a self professed "Jokeman Troll" a lot do not want trolls around here, and they feel strongly about that as well.

Look, we are not advocating or condoning what he did. We are not thinking about letting him move into a commune to live in close quarters with our family and loved ones. This is a message board. I feel like, being a message board, he poses no threat to any underage girls on here (If he is actually a threat, in any way). He has actually caused less trouble than a lot of others around here, excluding this horrible detestable revelation from the past.

Post by emoney on Nov 16, 2013 12:18:20 GMT -5

I have thought a lot about what I want this community to be. I have been thinking about for years, in fact. That is a quite a comment coming from you, a self professed "Jokeman Troll" a lot do not want trolls around here, and they feel strongly about that as well.

You just compared making jokes and being a bit of a dick on an internet message board to child rape. Seriously, what the f*ck???

Post by Gibran on Nov 16, 2013 12:21:18 GMT -5

I have thought a lot about what I want this community to be. I have been thinking about for years, in fact. That is a quite a comment coming from you, a self professed "Jokeman Troll" a lot do not want trolls around here, and they feel strongly about that as well.

You just compared making jokes and being a bit of a Tent Pole on an internet message board to child rape. Seriously, what the f*ck???

They are not the same, not even close. It was in context of "What I want this community to be" They are separate issues that people feel strongly about, I was in no way saying they were the same. Please respond with context in mind.

Post by emoney on Nov 16, 2013 12:26:27 GMT -5

You just compared making jokes and being a bit of a Tent Pole on an internet message board to child rape. Seriously, what the f*ck???

They are not the same, not even close. It was in context of "What I want this community to be" They are separate issues that people feel strongly about, I was in no way saying they were the same. Please respond with context in mind.

What about the other 98 percent of what I said?

Sorry for focusing on the extraordinarily alarming 2% where you literally suggested "You want to ban the child rapist to improve the community? What about you? You said some mean stuff!"

I suppose the other part where you suggest that we wait and see if he tries to molest any of our board members is almost as bad.