Actually, I think something like this is about to go down: We kill Garrosh, and we spark a civil war among the Horde as hundreds of power-hungry people want to claim the title of Warchief. Sylvannas quickly seizes this opportunity, and dispatches her Forsaken full force into Orgrimmar, so she can claim the throne. She is stopped by the other leaders. Sylvannas then leaves the Horde of her own will, claiming the the Forsaken no longer need the Horde having outgrown it. Of course not all of the forsaken agree with her and so a part of them chose to remain in the Horde under leadership of Koltira Deathweaver (or someone else). Sylvannas leaves to follow her own agenda ultimately resulting in her death. The other leaders come to a conclusion that a divided Horde cannot stand, and thus form a coucil, comprised of all the Horde leaders: Vol'jin, Baine, Lor'themar, Thrall and Koltira (or whoever is chosen to lead the Forsaken).

I know the whole council thing is just an Irongforge rip-off, but I can totally see it happening.

Doubt they will just kill off sylvannas, she is too much of a "unkown character" atm, I think they want to develop her more.

Also, didn't answer my question. The orcs, the largest body of fights within the horde, will need to be lead. And they are not going to be commanded by a none orc. So, who would become there leader?

Sorry, I thought it was an accident the first couple of times. Apparently it wasn't, I feel I have to say something lest I shall surely explode. "led", "non-orc". Also I like how you assume to be the source of all information orc related.

I want Baine Bloodhoof for Warchief, but I doubt I'll get my wish. Actually, he would fix all the problems in the Horde and probably create a strong treaty with the Alliance which would make the game boring. So I guess I can see why they wouldn't do that.

I want Baine Bloodhoof for Warchief, but I doubt I'll get my wish. Actually, he would fix all the problems in the Horde and probably create a strong treaty with the Alliance which would make the game boring. So I guess I can see why they wouldn't do that.

Baine is still too wet behind the ears to be able to lead the horde

He needs to be built up and i really hope that he does i hope he is a character that can be evolved in the future

I'm not disputing the facts as presented in this thread, but I do not believe that Thrall, Greatmother, and Aggra are necessarily indicative of the entire race. There's lots of examples in-game of untainted orcs behaving badly. Unless there is some sort of retcon suggesting a preternatural influence on Garrosh, he seems rather attuned to his ancestors' nature. His father's memory doesn't seem like "enough" to drive him to the wild-eyed, crazed bloodlust he is currently experiencing.

Depends on the Orc clan actually, Thrall, Greatmother, and Aggra are perfect examples of the frostwolf clan.
Warsong and Bonechewer were much more warmongering and savage.

Actually garrosh is acting as a true warsong (except the part where he acts like a coward by bombing a city).

Each clan had his way and there were huge differences between them.

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Originally Posted by Oradraffe

MoP is not happening i can promise that.

Originally Posted by Tric619

Been playing since week 1 and still believe Mop is the next expac? >.>

Originally Posted by Feyrzhuk

MoP will never be a WoW expansion. Feel free to flame and ridicule me should I be proven wrong.

I'm not disputing the facts as presented in this thread, but I do not believe that Thrall, Greatmother, and Aggra are necessarily indicative of the entire race. There's lots of examples in-game of untainted orcs behaving badly. Unless there is some sort of retcon suggesting a preternatural influence on Garrosh, he seems rather attuned to his ancestors' nature. His father's memory doesn't seem like "enough" to drive him to the wild-eyed, crazed bloodlust he is currently experiencing.

"Initially, they lived as shamanic clans on the lush world of Draenor. They abandoned their peaceful culture when Kil’jaeden, a demon lord of the Burning Legion, corrupted the orcs and used them in his vengeful plot against the draenei, who were exiles from Kil’jaeden’s homeworld"

They were a peaceful shamanistic race untill kil'jaeden corrupted them.

Actually if you play through Kun-Lai Summit story with Lorewalker Cho, which leads to the resserection of Thunder King, when the trolls are attcking the village, you'll notice that they're still part of Amani and Gurubashi tribes, even tho by now both Zul'Aman and Zul'Gurub have been purged.

So in the end, even if Vol'jin becomes the new leader of Troll Empire, he'd still be part of Darkspear tribe.

I did, Kil'jaeden was corrupting them before they drink the blood of Mannoroth.

Also, i am not saying they didnt fight, taurens also fighted a lot, specially with centaurs but also with themselves in rites and such.
But as a society, they were peaceful.

Again, Taurens are the perfect example as how Orcs were like, you have the Grimtotem there and the fighting, but as a society, they are peaceful.

But you seem to not believe when official sources tell you something so i dont expect to convince you personally even when i linked the official blizzard decription of the race saying they were peaceful....