Activision logic

Give out 1 million dollars to "pro" gamers and continue to shit all over the average consumer by not fixing the constant lag and host migration with dedicated servers. A 12 year old could run this company better. No one gives a shit about competitive cod or esports for that matter because It's a joke and call of duty Is casual as hell.

I think you need to check your facts. You might not care about pro gaming, but this past weekend proved that there is an audience for it. I don't agree with Activision, but they are looking at the future or their company in CoD and eSports. The way Black Ops 2 was designed was clearly for competive play, and with the success of the CoD championships, I would not expect that to change anytime soon. Public/casual players will still buy their game, but as the competive scene continues to grow (both on Youtube and Twitch), more and more younger players will begin to not only play that way, but actually buy the game for that reason.

Black Ops 2 might not be a great or even good game, but it wasn't made for the public player or public servers. It was made for competitive play on closed LAN or dedicated servers. This is the direction Call of Duty is taking, either get used to it or play a different game. The casual days of CoD are over.

I imagine IW/SH will remain more public based, where treyarch will be more competitive based.

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That might be the case, but at the end of the day Activision has full control over their product. I can't imagine eSports using Black Ops 2 for two full years when Activision can make more money by pushing their next installment into the agenda.

I imagine IW/SH will remain more public based, where treyarch will be more competitive based.

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That might be the case, but at the end of the day Activision has full control over their product. I can't imagine eSports using Black Ops 2 for two full years when Activision can make more money by pushing their next installment into the agenda.

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But MLG didnt pick up MW3 last year. Obviously they can still do it without MLG, but it is a pretty big platform. I think they will implement something like league play, but not push competitive.

I don't mind if they want to have an e-sports agenda, but I don't want it to happen at the expense of the regular multiplayer. As far as Activision is concerned, COD is successful because it SELLS! Do you really think they are going to drop any $ on dedicated servers or anything else when people play it regardless? They are looking at making the game as good as possible....within reason. That reason....$.

You're fucking delirious. There was 60K people watching the COD championship stream. Do you have any idea how many people watch games like LoL and Starcraft on an average day?

Call of Duty is, and always will be casual. Don't try to make it sound like something it isn't.

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Twitch TV had 100k plus xbox live stream watching the championship. Again, not saying that I agree with Activision, but their developers said Black Ops 2 was designed for competitive play. Of course casual play will still be a part of the game, but after the release, most of the changes in Black Ops 2 have been centered around competitive play. What have they done to improve the game from a casual standpoint? Nothing major that I can think of.

Considering I get to write from home for a living... and own my own home... and don't have to share it with a bunch of teenage douches... irate, I am not. God bless them for finding what they're really good at, but...

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I'd like to hear what about this game makes it a very good game -- in terms of multiplayer experience. I don't think it's a bad game, I just think there's a lot of balance issues and gameplay additions that, if exploited, can be very harsh on the overall experience.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I'd like to hear what about this game makes it a very good game -- in terms of multiplayer experience. I don't think it's a bad game, I just think there's a lot of balance issues and gameplay additions that, if exploited, can be very harsh on the overall experience.

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That list would be enormous. Instead I can list 3 items that take away from its greatness; lag compensation, connection, Remington's range. There.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I expected it to be at least as good as it's predecessor, the original Black Ops, which it's not... And it's definitely not as good as the first two Modern Warfares. My expectations these days are actually pretty low concerning the Call of Duty franchise. As for it's not so distant future: the Rock Band games come to mind.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I expected it to be at least as good as it's predecessor, the original Black Ops, which it's not... And it's definitely not as good as the first two Modern Warfares. My expectations these days are actually pretty low concerning the Call of Duty franchise. As for it's not so distant future: the Rock Band games come to mind.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I expected it to be at least as good as it's predecessor, the original Black Ops, which it's not... And it's definitely not as good as the first two Modern Warfares. My expectations these days are actually pretty low concerning the Call of Duty franchise. As for it's not so distant future: the Rock Band games come to mind.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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Wrong! Where does that train of thought leave you if you thought that after COD4? COD is worse today than it was then. Have there been improvements......yes. Is the game worse overall....YES!!!!!!!!!! BO2 could be a good game if they tweaked certain things and removed the bullshit. Expectations should be high for the biggest selling game(?) out there. Think about their budget and tell me why I shouldn't expect more?

"No one cares about esports". Rofl @ this forum. You must just suck at mlg and didn't watch the championships.

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1. I bet they are considerably better than me.
2. No I didn't watch that bore fest.
3. What % of people that play COD care? Not much, I'm guessing. The fact that they play S&D and CTF....2 playlists I hate....gives me reason not to care.

The COD championships were cool and I really enjoyed watching good players play these game types. The skills employed to cover the map, anticipate enemy movement, use tactics, and play balls out for the objective were all good reasons to tune in. This will just get bigger and bigger in the future.

If BO2 is not an excellent game, it is a very good game. Yes, it is flawed and in many ways it is less than perfect. How some peoples' expectations get so high is beyond me, but be patient and imagine how good this shit will be in the not so distant future.

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I expected it to be at least as good as it's predecessor, the original Black Ops, which it's not... And it's definitely not as good as the first two Modern Warfares. My expectations these days are actually pretty low concerning the Call of Duty franchise. As for it's not so distant future: the Rock Band games come to mind.