Bear in mind that I'm not a regular user of Calc.First, it's important to go into NVDA's document settings and ensure that the option for cell coordinates is checked. This is also true for Excel and it ensures that NVDA reads the cell coordinates, such as B1, C2, etc.

In the past I remember having to occasionally move focus away from and then back to the spreadsheet. I usually did this by pressing the alt key twice.

Finally, I think that LibreOffice is now up to version 6.3 and so it might be worth installing that version to see if performance improves.

I have LibreOffice 5.1 and, following the discussions in this thread, I opened up an existing Excel worksheet in Calc but I found that NVDA could not find any cells in the open worksheet. Can you advise what steps I should take to get Calc going correctly with NVDA?

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be a good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need they should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives many more updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever a chance for accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're likely to see that happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

Hello. I would agree, accept what keeps me using CakeTalking with Sonar under windows 7 is the professional softsynths. I am a professional musician and I rely on softsynths to do my productions That's why I stick with it and if there were softsynths that would do things like piano, guitar, etc. for Reaper that was accessible I would gladly switch to Reaper.

Hello. I would agree, accept what keeps me using CakeTalking with Sonar under windows 7 is the professional softsynths. I am a professional musician and I rely on softsynths to do my productions That's why I stick with it and if there were softsynths that would do things like piano, guitar, etc. for Reaper that was accessible I would gladly switch to Reaper.

Just because a program is unsupported doesn’t mean it can’t be used.
I don’t know what the case will be with this program. Do you purchase it
or pay a price for continued use? If it is offered as an ongoing service,
it may no longer be available. If you purchase it, and use it on your
system, it will likely still be available. Programs you purchase generally
are after support stops.

Well
thanks for that. But now I am in the age care place I don't have funds for
things like MS Office ans such.Thanks anyway.It's a real pity about
Docuscan. It did such a good job.CheersAndrea

On 18/01/2020 10:26
am, Abbie Taylor wrote:> Shaun, DocuScan Plus was worth it while it
lasted. I still use it, and > it works well with NVDA. Unfortunately, as
I understand it, Serotek > will no longer update or support this program
and System Access at the > end of 2020. Richard can correct me if I'm
wrong, and I hope I am.>> Andrea, if you're trying to open a pdf
document, you can do this in > Word 2013 and up. Simply use Word's open
dialog to find the file, and > press Enter on it like you would any other
document. Word will convert > the pdf to a docx file. NVDA reads most
files pretty well this way. I > hope this helps.> -- >
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author> http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com>
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com> abbietaylor945@...>

Two things: DocuScan 3 has not yet been discontinued though it has not had an update for a while. MS Word 2013 can convert PDF, but it may not be readable if it is done from images rather than text. This is where DocuScan can help. Again, NVDA is not the best way to use DocuScan. Quit NVDA before starting DocuScan.

On 1/17/2020 5:26 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Shaun, DocuScan Plus was worth it while it lasted. I still use it, and it works well with NVDA. Unfortunately, as I understand it, Serotek will no longer update or support this program and System Access at the end of 2020. Richard can correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am.

Two things: DocuScan 3 has not yet been discontinued though it
has not had an update for a while. MS Word 2013 can convert PDF,
but it may not be readable if it is done from images rather than
text. This is where DocuScan can help. Again, NVDA is not the best
way to use DocuScan. Quit NVDA before starting DocuScan.

Shaun, DocuScan Plus was worth it while it lasted. I still use it,
and it works well with NVDA. Unfortunately, as I understand it,
Serotek will no longer update or support this program and System
Access at the end of 2020. Richard can correct me if I'm wrong,
and I hope I am.

Shaun, DocuScan Plus was worth it while it lasted. I still use it, and it works well with NVDA. Unfortunately, as I understand it, Serotek will no longer update or support this program and System Access at the end of 2020. Richard can correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am.

Andrea, if you're trying to open a pdf document, you can do this in Word 2013 and up. Simply use Word's open dialog to find the file, and press Enter on it like you would any other document. Word will convert the pdf to a docx file. NVDA reads most files pretty well this way. I hope this helps.-- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Authorhttp://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.comhttp://abbiescorner.wordpress.comabbietaylor945@...

Shaun, DocuScan Plus was worth it while it lasted. I still use it, and it works well with NVDA. Unfortunately, as I understand it, Serotek will no longer update or support this program and System Access at the end of 2020. Richard can correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope I am.

Andrea, if you're trying to open a pdf document, you can do this in Word 2013 and up. Simply use Word's open dialog to find the file, and press Enter on it like you would any other document. Word will convert the pdf to a docx file. NVDA reads most files pretty well this way. I hope this helps.-- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Authorhttp://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.comhttp://abbiescorner.wordpress.comabbietaylor945@...

Hi Group,Oh boy, I had the message pane checked somehow accidentally. How many times in the past I instructed people to keep that unchecked and here I hadn't made that mistake in so long, I forgot about it myself.Now that I unchecked the message pane, everything displays properly as to read/unread.On 1/17/2020 2:45 AM, John Isige wrote:

Hurrikennyandopo wrote: "In mozilla thunder bird go to tools thenoptions then display thenadvanced then under there is a setting to change your time out of yourmessages. You might have to tab or arrow around to find it to change it."

There are two radio buttons in this advanced dialogue/tab. One is thetime just mentioned. The other is "immediately on display". I suspectwhat's happening is that the time radio button got set somehow. Set itto "immediately on display", and they'll stay unread forever, or rather,until you open the message. This assumes you're not using the previewpane, I don't know what happens with that because I don't use it.

When you get to display in options, tab and you'll get to "extensions(link". Tab again and you'll get to a tab, probably "display". Arrowright a couple of times and you'll get to the advanced tab. Now just taband the first or second thing should be the radio buttons we're talkingabout.

On 1/17/2020 0:26, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

Here is what is happening with my read/unread status. In the past, Iused to be able to arrow up and down and highlight the unread messagesand the status would remain unread indefinitely until I actuallyopened the message and only after I had done this and closed themessage would it show as read. Now if I just arrow up and down overunread messages without opening them, after a short time, they willshow as read--even though I have not yet opened them. This beganafter I installed NVDA 2019.3 beta 2. Is there some setting in NVDAthat is causing this or perhaps some setting in Thunderbird got changed.

Any help wold be greatly appreciated.

On 1/16/2020 3:29 PM, John Isige wrote:

Huh! I didn't even know that existed. FYI, there are two radio buttons,"immediately on display" and "after (X) seconds". Mine was set to"immediately on display", so I can see how there would be a problem ifthe other option is set, because the default time seems to be fiveseconds. So that's definitely something to check, as it would be easyenough for it to hit that if you've got a lot of mail coming in.

On 1/16/2020 13:11, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

What have you got your message time out set to? Mine is set to 5seconds otherwise I think they show as read.

In mozilla thunder bird go to tools then options then display thenadvanced then under there is a setting to change your time out of yourmessages. You might have to tab or arrow around to find it to changeit.

Mine here reads the unread message as it status until I open it. Ithink there was a setting in thunder bird so it could also savereplied etc but would have to look as have not used it for a long time.

Gene nz

On 17/01/2020 3:42 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Clive,

For me, NVDA used to show numbers of unread messages in the tree viewof folders when you arrowed over them. With release of 2019.3 beta2, this no longer works for me. Many others are not having thisproblem, so there must be something going on with my system.

On 1/16/2020 6:44 AM, Clive Lever wrote:

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I notice that when I'mreading the list of folders in my inbox (Outlook, Office 365), inJaws, it tells me how many unread messages there are in the folder.NVDA doesn't do this, to my knowledge. If it can say the totalnumber of unread messages the way Jaws does, please can someone tellme how to make it do so? It's particularly useful when, say, I comeback from holiday to hundreds of messages, as it tells me when thebacklog is cleared.

The last version of Thunderbird that reads the status line and theread/unread status of messages properly is 60.9 or 60 something.

On 1/15/2020 1:06 PM, John Isige wrote:

I just downloaded NVDA 2019.3beta2 and told it to continue running.I'mrunning Thunderbird 60.9.1, 32-bit if it matters. Message statusesworkfine for me with up and down arrows, I didn't even have to close andrestart Thunderbird. What do you mean by saying "last fullycompatibleversion"? What's broken? I admit I use Thunderbird prettyminimally, buteverything seems fine to me.

On 1/15/2020 9:56, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

For some reason, when I installed 2019.3 beta 2, when I read thestatus line and/or navigate with up/down arrow keys, theread/unreadstatus of message is inconsistent or incorrect.

I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this issue. I am usingThunderbird 60.4--the last fully compatible version of Thunderbird.

Hi Group,Here is what is happening with my read/unread status. In the past, I used to be able to arrow up and down and highlight the unread messages and the status would remain unread indefinitely until I actually opened the message and only after I had done this and closed the message would it show as read. Now if I just arrow up and down over unread messages without opening them, after a short time, they will show as read--even though I have not yet opened them. This began after I installed NVDA 2019.3 beta 2. Is there some setting in NVDA that is causing this or perhaps some setting in Thunderbird got changed.Any help wold be greatly appreciated.On 1/16/2020 3:29 PM, John Isige wrote:

Huh! I didn't even know that existed. FYI, there are two radio buttons,"immediately on display" and "after (X) seconds". Mine was set to"immediately on display", so I can see how there would be a problem ifthe other option is set, because the default time seems to be fiveseconds. So that's definitely something to check, as it would be easyenough for it to hit that if you've got a lot of mail coming in.

On 1/16/2020 13:11, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

What have you got your message time out set to? Mine is set to 5seconds otherwise I think they show as read.

In mozilla thunder bird go to tools then options then display thenadvanced then under there is a setting to change your time out of yourmessages. You might have to tab or arrow around to find it to change it.

Mine here reads the unread message as it status until I open it. Ithink there was a setting in thunder bird so it could also savereplied etc but would have to look as have not used it for a long time.

Gene nz

On 17/01/2020 3:42 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Clive,

For me, NVDA used to show numbers of unread messages in the tree viewof folders when you arrowed over them. With release of 2019.3 beta2, this no longer works for me. Many others are not having thisproblem, so there must be something going on with my system.

On 1/16/2020 6:44 AM, Clive Lever wrote:

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I notice that when I'mreading the list of folders in my inbox (Outlook, Office 365), inJaws, it tells me how many unread messages there are in the folder.NVDA doesn't do this, to my knowledge. If it can say the totalnumber of unread messages the way Jaws does, please can someone tellme how to make it do so? It's particularly useful when, say, I comeback from holiday to hundreds of messages, as it tells me when thebacklog is cleared.

The last version of Thunderbird that reads the status line and theread/unread status of messages properly is 60.9 or 60 something.

On 1/15/2020 1:06 PM, John Isige wrote:

I just downloaded NVDA 2019.3beta2 and told it to continue running.I'mrunning Thunderbird 60.9.1, 32-bit if it matters. Message statusesworkfine for me with up and down arrows, I didn't even have to close andrestart Thunderbird. What do you mean by saying "last fully compatibleversion"? What's broken? I admit I use Thunderbird prettyminimally, buteverything seems fine to me.

On 1/15/2020 9:56, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

For some reason, when I installed 2019.3 beta 2, when I read thestatus line and/or navigate with up/down arrow keys, the read/unreadstatus of message is inconsistent or incorrect.

I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this issue. I am usingThunderbird 60.4--the last fully compatible version of Thunderbird.

I don???t know if you meant to say tab down arrow.?? That isn???t read to end.?? Its either insert down arrow.?? If you have told NVDA to use capslock as an NVDA key, you can use capslock down arrow.Gene----- Original Message -----*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>*Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2020 11:28 AM*To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>*Subject:* [nvda] read allI'm assuming this behavior, at least on my laptop using desktop layoutreading email. Once I hit enter to read a message, I'll immediately hittab key down arrow to read all. Well it's starts reading and stops onceit encounters a space,, I'll again hit down arrow until I hear text andagain hit NVDA key down arrow and?? it will stop at every space.Using latest NVDA beta.Also, latest Thunderbird.Windows version: Windows 10Ver1909 (64-bit) build 18363.592

I'm
assuming this behavior, at least on my laptop using desktop layout reading
email. Once I hit enter to read a message, I'll immediately hit tab key down
arrow to read all. Well it's starts reading and stops once it encounters a
space,, I'll again hit down arrow until I hear text and again hit NVDA key
down arrow and it will stop at every space.Using latest NVDA
beta.Also, latest Thunderbird.Windows version: Windows 10Ver1909
(64-bit) build 18363.592

Due to community feedback, I’m releasing Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.5 emergency patch for Edge 79 users. This patch is applicable to NVDA 2019.2.x only (NVDA 2019.3 beta 2 and later includes support for Edge 79 stable). As this is an emergency patch, coupled with the fact that latest stable release is 20.01 which supports NVDA 2019.3 or later, this version will not show up via Add-on Updater.

This patch works the same way as what’s included in NVDA 2019.3 beta 2 – after installing this patch in 2019.2.1, you won’t have to turn off native UI Automation anymore.

Also, an important note: after installing this patch, you may get a notification that a new add-on update for Windows 10 App Essentials is available. Please ignore this notification until NVDA 2019.3 or later is installed.

I'm assuming this behavior, at least on my laptop using desktop layout reading email. Once I hit enter to read a message, I'll immediately hit tab key down arrow to read all. Well it's starts reading and stops once it encounters a space,, I'll again hit down arrow until I hear text and again hit NVDA key down arrow and it will stop at every space.Using latest NVDA beta.Also, latest Thunderbird.Windows version: Windows 10Ver1909 (64-bit) build 18363.592

Verify Delete

Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the message archives of nvda@nvda.groups.io? This cannot be undone.

Verify Repost

Are you sure you wish to repost this message?

Report Message

Reason

Report to Moderators
I think this message isn't appropriate for our Group. The Group moderators are responsible for maintaining their community and can address these issues.
Report to Groups.io Support
I think this violates the Terms of Service. This includes: harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing.