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and every one also know BWF is not fair to China players. i think u also know, but keep silent, bcoz even BWF is unfair to China, MAS players include LCW never won OG / WC gold medal. in 2000 & 2004 OG, max 3 players / pairs in top 8. in 2008 & 2012 OG, max 3 players if they are in top 4. lol. however, the rules for 2 players / pairs is still the same, top 16 only...and that is from 2000 - 2012 OG. lol.

Tell me more about how BWF is unfair to China as BWF allows China to have 3 SS in their countries for the past years (CHina Premiere, China Master and HK SS)? Yes I agreed that BWF has been very unfair to Other countries who only have none or 1 SS in their countries. Also, for your information, China has always been the country which have the largest participants in WC and Olympics, so I dont know how is it BWF is unfair to them. If you said BWF is unfair to other countries by giving all the quotas to China, then I agree with you.

And also no need to be cheeky because you way of trying to run down LCW makes zero sense. Everyone who knows about competitive badminton knows China has invested at least 10 times more than every other countries in their national setup and training camps across the countries. It makes one wonders, why such a country with such a big team of coaching staffs (mostly ex-Olympics champions and ex-World champions), fundingsm, with such a big pool of talents (1.3 billion population in China), and the biggest number of participants in both WC and Olympic, cannot even stop a mere LCW from getting a medal in both WC and Olympics. What's in Malaysia coaching setup? There's no tradition of having a World or Olympic champions and none of the coach are as famous as any of the Chinese coach.

It's funny that you try to brag China greatness in this thread while deeply inside, we know that that country should be more dominant than what they should be right now.

so ur logic is like this:because everyone can buy gun in us,so its correct to kill people criticize others being wrong doesnt make u correct.what u said only putting ink in muddy water（越描越黑in chinese）

we are not talking about gun and kill people. We only talk about badminton, IOC, BWF, China and ROW, WO and retirement. Thats it. back to topic. If BWF wants to reduce the # of WO and retirement, so please be fair to every countries. no wonder ROW number of WO and reteriments was quite low, bcoz 2 spots in top 16 is very easy to achieve

Originally Posted by limsy

i cant see ina fans complain about bwf when their defending champion failed to qualify for OG 2012,instead,they complain about their player who dont earn enough points.that's the different between quality.

2 players / pairs in top 8 is easy to achieve lol . compare it with 3 spots in top 8 or even in top 4. why complaint ?

Tell me more about how BWF is unfair to China as BWF allows China to have 3 SS in their countries for the past years (CHina Premiere, China Master and HK SS)? Yes I agreed that BWF has been very unfair to Other countries who only have none or 1 SS in their countries. Also, for your information, China has always been the country which have the largest participants in WC and Olympics, so I dont know how is it BWF is unfair to them. If you said BWF is unfair to other countries by giving all the quotas to China, then I agree with you.

first, HK is different with China. Politically maybe yes, but in sports, I never heard HK glories = China glories . HK crowd is not necessary support China players, surely different with China crowd to China players. just look at LD vs LCW in HK open, HK crowd only gives applause to the player that play better. second, its easier for China to have 3 reps in OG (in top 8) even with no SS or PSS held in China, compare to China has 2 or even 5 SS, but only can have 3 reps in OG if they are in top 4 lol

Originally Posted by lcleing

And also no need to be cheeky because you way of trying to run down LCW makes zero sense. Everyone who knows about competitive badminton knows China has invested at least 10 times more than every other countries in their national setup and training camps across the countries. It makes one wonders, why such a country with such a big team of coaching staffs (mostly ex-Olympics champions and ex-World champions), fundingsm, with such a big pool of talents (1.3 billion population in China), and the biggest number of participants in both WC and Olympic, cannot even stop a mere LCW from getting a medal in both WC and Olympics. What's in Malaysia coaching setup? There's no tradition of having a World or Olympic champions and none of the coach are as famous as any of the Chinese coach.

I only talk about OG / WC gold medal, not about silver or bronze medal

Originally Posted by lcleing

It's funny that you try to brag China greatness in this thread while deeply inside, we know that that country should be more dominant than what they should be right now.

we are not talking about gun and kill people. We only talk about badminton, IOC, BWF, China and ROW, WO and retirement. Thats it. back to topic. If BWF wants to reduce the # of WO and retirement, so please be fair to every countries. no wonder ROW number of WO and reteriments was quite low, bcoz 2 spots in top 16 is very easy to achieve 2 players / pairs in top 8 is easy to achieve lol . compare it with 3 spots in top 8 or even in top 4. why complaint ?

yeah,we are talking about walkover and retired matches record here.
not about bwf nor ioc nor og nor wc.thanks

first, HK is different with China. Politically maybe yes, but in sports, I never heard HK glories = China glories . HK crowd is not necessary support China players, surely different with China crowd to China players. just look at LD vs LCW in HK open, HK crowd only gives applause to the player that play better. second, its easier for China to have 3 reps in OG (in top 8) even with no SS held in China, compare to China has 2 or even 5 SS, but only can have 3 reps in OG if they are in top 4 lolI only talk about OG / WC gold medal, not about silver or bronze medali think this is the best China can achieve.

Then kindly proceed to other thread since you are only talking about WC and Olympic gold medal here. You are getting out of topic. Please see your way out, thank you.

gun has no relation with badminton. I never heard some one playing badminton with gun lol. But BWF, IOC unfair decision has strong relation with China w/o. if the decision is fair, its easier for China to achieve, surely # of w/o and retirement involving china players will decrease significantly.

Then kindly proceed to other thread since you are only talking about WC and Olympic gold medal here. You are getting out of topic. Please see your way out, thank you.

you only want to talk about "one side", that is china retirements and w/o...but you dont want to talk about "the other side". lol. even without research before, i strongly believe China w/o and retirements from Oct 2000 until May 2004 is not as much as now.

gun has no relation with badminton. I never heard some one playing badminton with gun lol. But BWF, IOC unfair decision has strong relation with China w/o. if the decision is fair, its easier for China to achieve, surely # of w/o and retirement involving china players will decrease significantly.

Originally Posted by Fortune

you only want to talk about "one side", that is china retirements and w/o...but you dont want to talk about "the other side". lol. even without research, i strongly believe China w/o and retirements from Oct 2000 until May 2004 is not the same number with current now

then try to prove to us about your point,with figure and facts
not simply ranting on bwf,thanks

then try to prove to us about your point,with figure and factsnot simply ranting on bwf,thanks

ok, then i will do it, but give me time to do a little research, using tournamentsoftware, especially from 2003 to 2004. maybe 1 week or 2 weeks, i will give u the data, how many matches complete in china vs china, and how many w/o and retirement when chn vs chn.

To dicide whether to give a walkover, the player has to consider the chance to win. If some player is injured but the opponent is weak, he may choose to play. But if his opponent is too strong, he will consider twice about it, because more severe injury may happen. Some people say Roger Federer has received too many walkovers. The reasons are complicated, but you have to admit his opponents would think more before the match.Tian Qing/Zhao Yunlei received a walkover from a Korean pair. If their opponent is not a Chinese pair, would they still do that? I won't deny some matched are "fixed", but it's really not that common.And don't forget there are many retirements from Chinese players to foreign players in this French Open.

@limsy.. You have the complete list of walkovers in the recent years.. My goodness, really good to see such a badminton fan all over. Nice work man. According to me, Nowadays walkovers are done in order to give their compatriots a space to move further ahead in the tournament..(Walkovers due to injury has become rare ). More and more walkovers will only discredit the enthusiasm in badminton. If for any reason related to injuries, it will be acceptable. For any other reason, i hope no badminton fan will accept that.. Thats for sure..

Don't forget Xu Chen the XD player who was hospitalised for gastritis during the HK Open 2012, despite which he fought on all the way to the final while having to shuttle between the hospital and the tournament arena until the final when he and his partner Ma Jin emerged runner-up for which the prize money was USD13,300 shared between them of which a certain percentage went to his own pocket. Obviously he was doing it for country and exhibited remarkable willpower and praiseworthy fighting spirit and dedication to the sport so much so that Li Yongbo held him up as an example worthy of emulation.

As for Li Na , she was praised for her pluck and persistence despite her defeat in the final of the Australian Open during which she suffered two dramatic falls. But here comes the other noteworthy part, look at the prize money:

Men's Singles

2012

2013

Women's Singles

2012

2013

Winner

$2,300,000

$2,430,000

Winner

$2,300,000

$2,430,000

Runner-up

$1,150,000

$1,215,000

Runner-up

$1,150,000

$1,215,000

Semi-finalist

$437,000

$500,000

Semi-finalist

$437,000

$500,000

Quarter-finalist

$218,500

$250,000

Quarter-finalist

$218,500

$250,000

4th Round

$109,250

$125,000

4th Round

$109,250

$125,000

3rd Round

$54,625

$71,000

3rd Round

$54,625

$71,000

2nd Round

$33,300

$45,500

2nd Round

$33,300

$45,500

1st Round

$20,800

$27,600

1st Round

$20,800

$27,600

The big interesting question is : if you were Li Na, would you play your guts out in that final to try and win USD2.43 million as opposed to USD1.215 million? And need I say she is an independent professional player who gets to keep all her winnings?

Then it begs the question: If you were Xu Chen?...

So what's the moral of the story? Draw your own conclusion but just don't be hypocritical about it (and end up despising yourself one day for your ulterior motives). Well,some things are better left unsaid. (Hint: my point is not directed at Li Na). That's all for me.

Don't forget Xu Chen the XD player who was hospitalised for gastritis during the HK Open 2012, despite which he fought on all the way to the final while having to shuttle between the hospital and the tournament arena until the final when he and his partner Ma Jin emerged runner-up for which the prize money was USD13,300 shared between them of which a certain percentage went to his own pocket. Obviously he was doing it for country and exhibited remarkable willpower and praiseworthy fighting spirit and dedication to the sport so much so that Li Yongbo held him up as an example worthy of emulation.

As for Li Na , she was praised for her pluck and persistence despite her defeat in the final of the Australian Open during which she suffered two dramatic falls. But here comes the other noteworthy part, look at the prize money:

Men's Singles

2012

2013

Women's Singles

2012

2013

Winner

$2,300,000

$2,430,000

Winner

$2,300,000

$2,430,000

Runner-up

$1,150,000

$1,215,000

Runner-up

$1,150,000

$1,215,000

Semi-finalist

$437,000

$500,000

Semi-finalist

$437,000

$500,000

Quarter-finalist

$218,500

$250,000

Quarter-finalist

$218,500

$250,000

4th Round

$109,250

$125,000

4th Round

$109,250

$125,000

3rd Round

$54,625

$71,000

3rd Round

$54,625

$71,000

2nd Round

$33,300

$45,500

2nd Round

$33,300

$45,500

1st Round

$20,800

$27,600

1st Round

$20,800

$27,600

The big interesting question is : if you were Li Na, would you play your guts out in that final to try and win USD2.43 million as opposed to USD1.215 million? And need I say she is an independent professional player who gets to keep all her winnings?

Then it begs the question: If you were Xu Chen?...

So what's the moral of the story? Draw your own conclusion but just don't be hypocritical about it (and end up despising yourself one day for your ulterior motives). Well,some things are better left unsaid. (Hint: my point is not directed at Li Na). That's all for me.

All the comparison of prize money is not irrelevant. The important is the bold part. No matter how much prize money is being offered in badminton, as long as the players are not independent, it is different than tennis.

In tennis, there is no tit-for-tat Li YongBo who would hit back when he did not like BWF rules. Not that I condone tit-for-tat.

All the comparison of prize money is irrelevant. The important is the bold part. No matter how much prize money is being offered in badminton, as long as the players are not independent, it is different than tennis.

In tennis, there is no tit-for-tat Li YongBo who would hit back when he did not like BWF rules. Not that I condone tit-for-tat.