General Discussion Chat Room: September 25 – 29, 2017

We are going to try something a little different beginning this week. Starting now and going forward, all discussion Monday through Thursday will take place in a ‘General Discussion Chat Room’. The goal is simply to break up the news of the week from race weekend activities. Below you will find some of the big news dominating the NASCAR world, including a hair pulling ‘Yahoo! Sports’ article centered around NASCAR and the national anthem protests.

Does anybody else have an opinion on why Michael Annett is so far off of the other three JRM cars? Dale seems to think that it’s that way because the #5 Team is a new team and it will take time to get into a rhythm and build on a foundation. Me? I just don’t think that he’s very good. Anybody else?

I have not.. most of my JRM attention has been focused on Little Gator, with minor interest in Sadler…. I always saw Annett as a future investment assuming someone at JRM sees he has talent….. But then Byrom is not to shabby for a newbie…

Annett and his sponsor are signed through next year, so he does have time to improve. It just seems funny that the 1, 7 and 9 run about the same every week (a sign that those three teams work very closely together) and then you have the 5 running anywhere between 10 and 15 spots behind them. They may need to strengthen that team with HMS personnel.

Steven.. I see Dale Jr post of John Kennedy’s words did in fact give a pass to the NFL kneeling during the anthem… that’s my interpretation. For that, Dale Jr now has taken a position of tolerance for disrespecting our Flag, our Country and our Military.

Like u said, I doubt seriously Junior has to worry about JRM staff acting in kind with the NFL but at the same time, here are the consequences of his statement….. If a JRM person decides to do so… Dale Jr has no recourse but to allow his employees to do that… eles he engages in bigotry/hypocrisy.. he has said it’s ok to disrespect our flag/country and military for a social injustice…

None of what I’ve said here means this will happen, like you, I agree it will not but I feel Dale Jr has tarnished his band as a patriot…. One has to know his close association with the National Guard and the Military has been tarnished at best…. Junior had the option to speak in kind with Petty/Childress but he chose not to, he spoke of tolerance for those that have chosen to disrespect our Flag/Country and Military…. There are consequences for this and the fan base will show its displeasure with indifference to Junior’s brand. I for one, am sad and disappointed in Dale Jr for his choice.

I’m sure its no secret I support Donald Trump even with his faults, given the history of the prior 8 years of a Globalist Democrat… I wish President had not gone there but he did an given its out there now on the table of public opinion, I will always side on the side of my country and flag…..I am one of those citizens that absolutely hates seeing American Citizens burn our flag regardless of what social injustice they say they are speaking to…. No exception, I did my years in the Military and proud of it.. I can never be tolerant to the conduct of the NFL nor to those that say it’s acceptable to kneel while the Anthem is played anywhere …… its just who I am and I make n apologies for it …

No one is saying that you shouldn’t be pissed about it. That is what is great about America. You can feel about anything any way that you want. However, you have to realize that you can’t do anything about it, either. They have the right to kneel during the anthem and the only parties that can hold them accountable is the team owners or the league itself. If neither do so, then there is nothing to be done about it.

Dale should have supported Childress and Petty? No, he should have kept his mouth shut. National Guard and the military? What bonds? Navy left JRM in 2008. National Guard left after 2014. He’s not worried about them. The only ones that he’s worried about are OneMain, Brandt and Pilot 1. I haven’t heard anything about them denouncing him. Trust me, if they did, they would make a public statement about it.

I know that you believe that your way is true patriotism. That’s another part of America being America. Patriotism means different things to different people. The freedom in this country means that no way is wrong. It’s just a matter of opinion.

Yep. That’s what makes America great. We can have varying opinions on things without legal recourse. It’s okay to be pissed off about something. Hell, I’m pissed off about a lot of things. I’m pissed at Toyota kicking so much ass. I’m pissed at Greg Ives. But, I realize that others feel differently. I’m sure that the Truex and Kyle fans think that this is the best season ever. Different people have different viewpoints and interests. Some considering kneeling during the anthem disrespect while others see it as them exercising their freedom to protest. Different strokes for different folks. But, hey, at the end of the day, we’re all Americans and no more or less of it. We all enjoy the freedom to debate, and express our views, and cuss and support and so on and so forth. Because of debates like this, I wish that people would realize how lucky that they are that they can even debate it in the first place. I’ve had fun debating this with you, Buckshot. Sorry for the little rant there.

I’m done talking about this. I’m so sick of it, so I’m going to turn the conversation back to what this place is supposed to be about… Dale Jr. and racing. They are going to Dover this week. Dale finished 11th there earlier in the year. He probably would have finished in 6th but was caught speeding on a late pit stop. With that said, he probably wouldn’t have even been in 6th had the caution not come out during a round of green flag pit stops. I think that he was running in 17th before that happened. That’s no surprise considering how this year has went. With the struggles of HMS, it’ll be interesting to see how Jimmie performs considering that Dover is his best track. Unfortunately, it’ll probably be the 78 and 18 running 1-2 all day again. The sport really needs some parity badly right now. It’s the cut off race for the 1st round of the playoffs. The four out right now are Kasey Kahne, Kurt Busch, Ryan Newman and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. who is tied with Austin Dillion for the final spot. I feel bad for Kasey. Last weekend started off promising with new crew chief Darian Grubb, but it went bad very quickly, and the only way that he can advance is to win. I don’t like his chances.

Let me clarify. I’m disappointed that you would feel that way about it considering that Dale never said that he would kneel during the national anthem. I don’t where people can say that he’s unpatriotic. He’s going to stand during the national anthem. He’s going to show his respect. He was just saying that you should be able to express your views peacefully. Now, that’s not to say that he approves of kneeling during the anthem and he probably wishes that they found a different way to express those views.

I understand what your saying Steven but from my perspective Dale Jr gave his NFL prema-donna buddies a pass on kneeling. For that, there are consequences.. so Dale Jr having said that.. What recourse does he have, if a JRM Driver or Team kneels at a race??.. (NASCAR’s action not with standing).. Jr has no recourse now… IMO Dale Jr has forever tarnished his brand….

PS: Dale Jr has always actively participated in a close relationship with the Military. That relationship has been tarnished now…. No branch of the Military will come near Dale Jr now, his brand with DOD is gone …

I doubt that he’ll have to worry about any member of JRM kneeling during the anthem. Why would they have any reason to? Like I said, he never endorsed kneeling. He just said that they should have the right to peacefully protest. How they choose to do that is up to them and everybody involved. I really don’t think that he approves of their method, but he realizes the truth in that he can’t stop them if that is what they choose to do, and to prevent that is to deny them their constitutional right to do so. That was the point of that quote he posted. If you deny them a peaceful protest like kneeling during the anthem, then it’ll get to the point where they protest violently. I don’t think that anybody wants that. It’s not about the flag to him. He’s patriotic. He’ll stand. He’s just worried about the consequences of denying someone their rights and what it might lead to. He’s just doesn’t want it to spiral into something worse.

Now, this is for me personally, I think that it’s silly to protest during the anthem. Why? Because it’s pointless. They aren’t accomplishing anything by doing it. They talked about this on the new episode of Door, Bumper, Clear. Stand for the anthem and honor those who have fallen. Find other ways to protest what they are really protesting: Trump. I know that you might get touchy about this, so I’m not going to make it about morals or ideals. The reason that there was such a massive kneeling on Sunday is because Trump opened his big mouth over the weekend and bashed the players and the whole NFL in general. To them, it wasn’t about the anthem or flag. It was the best way to send a big FU to Trump. Like I said, I think that their is better ways to do that. Personally, I think that the President of the United States should be more concerned with more important things like healthcare, hurricanes and North Korea rather than petty things like NFL and Emmy ratings, but I think that they are better ways to show displeasure than kneeling during the anthem.

Trump was right in calling those disrespectful losers out.
He just said what most of us out here were already thinking.
This crap didn’t just start with him pointing our their behavior.
It started over 2 years ago when the NFL decided to get political and align with the leftists nuts out there and champion thugs and criminals who are often their players anymore.
Just watch the past few halftime shows in the Superbowls. Flashing gang signs, Illuminati signs, black power fists, etc.
To hell with them.

so its my turn to chim in , on the nelling during the anthem , i pledge alliegence to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for witch it stands one nation under god indivisnable with liberty and justice for all now i dont think i missed anything there , it speaks for itself , i am a vetreran of desert storm i faught for my country , and i will not have disrespect for this country , the anthem has nothing to do with being oppressed from this or by this country , you get from it what you put in it , ive watch my fellow soilders comback with there legs blown off missing arms and hands ,to watch a fucking football play who makes millions of dollars playing for 4 years and gets his finger twisted and sets out for a year and still gets payed , its about up bringing all of americans were brought up to respect this country and abid by the constitution of the united states ,it docent say you have to stand for the anthem ,BUT it docent say you shouldnt stand , its about upholding the constitution with your fellow man to honor and protect this country from those who want to take your freedom away from you thats what the flag stands for FREEDOM AND SACRIFICE what the millions of people have done so that you can get out on that feild and play football or go to work or play baseball ,and not one of those SOBs have been told they cant play football because of who they are or where there from but they are protesting because they think they deserve something else , they are protesting over shit that happened 200 fucking years ago , all i see is blacks protesting and one white guy standing for the flag , i cry my eyes out when i hear taps played on a trumpit when i think of all the men and women who died for this country , you bet your ass i stand and i salute the flag , because im an american if you dont like it then get the fuck off the feild and go play with yourself in the parking lot ,,,,you might not like what ive said and you may have your own oppinion over this but my country tills the field of sweet land and liberty i have the right to bear arms and the right to freedom of speach ,but no one has the right to protest during the anthem it is a sacred time to reflect on what it means to be an american IM DONE

Just making a blanket statement here. I know this whole National Anthem issue is a pretty crazy and ridiculous situation for all of us but let’s remember to keep away from comments that may be considered personal attacks or simply comments that may escalate a conversation into something ugly. 🙂

So you want him to feel the same way that you do? I’m sure that he does believe in all those things that you said. I think that where he draws the line is when people say that they should be fired for doing something that they have every right to do. That’s why he talked about a person’s rights. To him, it’s not about the flag or the anthem. It’s about punishing someone for doing something that’s completely legal just because you don’t agree with it.

Of course I want him to think the flag and anthem should not be disrespected. Of course. And BTW, although it is not “against the law” to protest, each organization (privately owned) has the right to require it and fire anyone who doesn’t follow requirements. THAT is the right of the business owner, ergo Petty and Childress comments.

Like I said, I’m sure that he respects the flag and what it represents. Hell, I’m sure that everybody involved does. Sure, an organization does have the right to fire anybody that they please. The question is, “Is it right to fire someone because they have different political views?” I don’t believe so especially if their different political view doesn’t interfere in their work. The consequences of doing business that way works both ways. First off, Richard Petty is NOT going to fire someone who brings money to the table even if they lay down while the anthem is played. Why? Because he can’t afford to right now. He’s already coming off of looking like a complete dumbass to any potential sponsors with his whole attack on Smithfield. Secondly, a owner isn’t going to fire a driver is he’s getting the job done even if he’s a PR nightmare. Look no further than Tony Stewart at JGR. Don’t let them fool you with their high horse. They’ll get down quick if they need to.

I don’t understand why everybody is so pissed over this anthem thing. I never realized that someone kneeling would piss so many people off. WHY? Is it hurting you? No. It’s only a problem because YOU have a problem with it. Think about it.

Most people gets pissed when someone publicly disrespects what others value . Think about it. And all that can be said to you. Is it hurting YOU that we have a problem with it or is it because YOU have a problem with others having a problem?

Is this not a chat room? I’m voicing my thoughts as are you. I just think that it’s silly to be pissed because someone kneeled during the national anthem when they’re hurricanes destroying American cities and colonies, violent protest in the streets and public shootings. I read where you called Junior a wuss. You obviously didn’t understand what he meant. He meant that it was better to have peaceful protests like kneeling during the national anthem instead of violent protests in the streets where people are damaging property and fighting the police.

But you directed your comments to other posters vs. the situation or Junior. I STILL say he is a WUSS since the issue was NEVER about anyone’s right to peaceful protest which is ALL he addressed. The issue is about the anthem and flag. I understood exactly what he meant. He skirted the REAL issue of flag/anthem which is a WUSS move imo.

Um, okay. I’m sure that Dale was talking about those players being called Un-American for exercising their Constitutional right to not stand for the National Anthem. I don’t think that he appreciated them being bashed for something that they have every right to do. That’s why he talked about rights. It’s not against the law to kneel during the anthem. Hey, you don’t have to like it. I’m not saying that you do, but you have to understand that they have the Constitutional right to do that. If their team or the NFL itself has a problem with it, then it’s up to them to sort it out, but there’s nothing in US law that forbids it.

AGAIN…..NO ONE said they don’t have the right and NO ONE said it is against the law. That is a straw dog !!!
Everyone is saying they think it is awful to kneel during the anthem/flag ceremony WHETHER they have the right or not.

BTW, Steelers QB said he is sorry is was in the locker room and will be on the field next week. Said he couldn’t sleep last night and DURING THE ANTHEM is NOT the time to protest.

I would have been happy with “while I respect the right to peacefully protest, the National Anthem and Flag represent many wonderful things including all the sacrifices made to make this country what it is. Keep them separate.”

So you want him to feel the same way that you do? I’m sure that he does believe in all those things that you said. I think that where he draws the line is when people say that they should be fired for doing something that they have every right to do. That’s why he talked about a person’s rights. To him, it’s not about the flag or the anthem. It’s about punishing someone for doing something that’s completely legal just because you don’t agree with it.

I disagree with your message Jeff. No one disputes our liberties I know you and I both have heard it said ” I may disagree with your opinion but I will fight to the death your right to say so”

So it is here Jeff, every employer has that right to mandate conduct not in the best interest of the business. Exactly what Richard Childress and Richard Petty said..

Not to put words in Brian Frances mouth but
would not be surprised to see NASCAR ban the individual that failed to show respect for our country, our flag, kneeling during the National Anthem.

Every american has the right to peaceful protest, but not on company time.. You work for who you work for an that employer has the right to mandated lawful conduct not offensive to the company… NASCAR is entertainment, Entertainment is SALES and in SAlES, Perception is reality… Period ….

NASCAR has always closely associate its self with our Military. To not respect our flag is to disrespect our country…. they are one in the same.

Official NASCAR statement below. Seems to me that they are staying non partisan.

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Sept. 25, 2017) – “Sports are a unifying influence in our society, bringing people of differing backgrounds and beliefs together. Our respect for the national anthem has always been a hallmark of our pre-race events. Thanks to the sacrifices of many, we live in a country of unparalleled freedoms and countless liberties, including the right to peacefully express one’s opinion.”

Good statement but still avoids the point of the fan anger which is the WHEN that those SOBs decide to “kneel”. How much effort goes into “kneeling”? Just a lot of attention. Nothing good accomplished. God forbid those players and Junior put forth actual effort to make constructive changes. Oh yell, you can contribute to his “foundation” which will “benefit” from your money.

Total Wuss Move. No one is questioning anyone’s “right” to anything. It is all about being revolted (my word) at people who do it during the anthem while the flag is raised. Especially when they could do it in a productive way in inner cities!

I watched the whole thing since the “KING” spoke yesterday and I decided to stay quiet, even after Junior gave his WUSS tweet this morning BUT…..I want to speak my “peace”. It’s because of his football buddies. Has nothing to do with him taking a STAND of any kind. No one ever tried to deny those millionaires (including Junior) their “rights” to protest.
Some of us are just appalled at when those millionaires try to get the camera’s attention. And can anyone say just WHAT they are protesting?

Lots of news this morning. Phoenix International Raceway (my home track) is becoming ISM Raceway beginning in 2018. This will be the tracks first ever title sponsor. –

For Phoenix International Raceway to become ISM Raceway starting in 2018, a total investment that could approach $100 million over 10 years, including installation of leading-edge digital technology designed to enhance the at-track experience for fans and corporate partners alike.

ISM – Ingenuity Sun Media – will pay an annual single-figure million-dollar fee during the next decade for the track’s first-ever naming-rights sponsorship, azcentral sports has learned. The official announcement of ISM Raceway is scheduled for Tuesday.

ISM’s Connect network will provide digital display screens, interactive fan experiences, a mobile app and social-media integrations throughout the facility, including in the new pedestrian tunnel connecting the infield and grandstands.

Childress and The KING, Petty both said something to the effect that it would not be allowed from their shops, i.e. not standing for the anthem. They both truly know the sacrifice behind that anthem and the flag.

Watched most of the race because the NFL made me want to puke only to watch Junior slide further below mediocrity. I never spent one nickel or moment of time on Hanoi Jane all these years so I can definitely live without football when I believe they are hating my America.

You can tell by the comments on yahoo’s story that too many people believe the total lies of the Obama/Clinton/Soros cartel controlled media.

We are going to try something a little different beginning this week. Starting now and going forward, all discussion Monday through Thursday will take place in a ‘General Discussion Chat Room’. The goal is simply to break up the news of the week from race weekend activities. Below you will find some of the big news dominating the NASCAR world, including a hair pulling ‘Yahoo! Sports’ article centered around NASCAR and the national anthem protests.