It's ALL garbage. Personally I think we should institute a retroactive chain email tax of a dollar for every forwarded email, and let the right pay off the deficit. If you forwarded an email to 100 people in 2002, pay $100. 50 recipients in 2008, $50 please.

Bufftrev1

Simply calling it a fact doesn't make it so, enigma.. here's a fact for ya, sometimes republicans get divorced too. Sometimes republicans have a child out of wedlock. How do ya like them facts, enigma?

sideliner

If you can't say that one, not to worry. I've got a long list of other morally righteous and quite religious conservatives we might want to throw into the discussion while we are talking about all that right-sided purity.

enigma

Buff, Your 'facts' are stated in the letter and I have no argument with them. I've never said that Republicans are perfect, in fact some of them are just as bad as any Democrat. I know that it's not the party affiliation that makes for a good politician. Maybe you should learn that.

CHayes, Cloud people? Get some professional help. BTW, still no refutations. Pick one.

Bufftrev1

ToTEXASfromPA

There are people on both the liberal and conservative sides that sin and need a savior. Satan has done a masterful job of breaking up the church on a variety of social, fiscal, personal freedoms, helping/caring, etc issues. It is time for Christians on both political sides to reach across the aisle and gather together.

Bufftrev1

I'm a liberal and my view is that morality is most definitely not derived from religion or the bible.. we are not one nation under god, we are one nation in which you are free to worship any god you chose, or no god at all.. provided you do so within the confines of secular law.

CMReeder

"There are people on both the liberal and conservative sides that sin and need a savior. Satan has done a masterful job of breaking up the church on a variety of social, fiscal, personal freedoms, helping/caring, etc issues. It is time for Christians on both political sides to reach across the aisle and gather together"

Oh Please, stop it!

Clean up your own house! Satan did not break anything, factions within the church did that. Human beings did this not Satan, not God.

Christians on both sides of the ailse. Really according to most on the right no one on the left is a Christian only the right. The man who wrote this letter is far from moral let alone Christian.

CHayes

sideliner

So erik, Premier, am I to understand that your "morals" are being dictated by an arbitrary outside influence that you both call God? Is that what you're saying?

Let me ask you both this: had you been born in Baghdad, would that arbitrary outside influence be called Allah?

And had you both been born in Tibet would that arbitrary outside influence be called Buddha?

You got the morals and values you have because you were born into the family you were born into in the place that family lived. Don't act like it was the result of a conscious decision on your part, unless of course, you both abandoned those of your forefathers and, based on a little research and self-reflection, actually chose a different religion or set of beliefs.

When you really think about it (if either of you dare) it's just a crap shoot...

CHayes

While all the good christians continue to turn the other cheek, I'll contend with an absolute moral certainty, that there isn't enough rape in the entire US penal system for someone that would intentionally shoot a 13 month old infant in the head.

Hey, if you turn the other cheek and let him go, you could support the free market by selling him some guns, which.many of you think should be as readily available as potato chips, but easier to get.

enigma

And where did society get its morals? The answer is religion, and the farther our society gets from the religion that founded the country, the farther we get from those morals. The morals of the left are vestigial morals left over from the days when most of the people were Christian. They have thrown away the ones they didn't like and kept the ones that they are still OK with, but those are less and less as time goes on. There is only one 'moral' that is native to atheism and that is survival of the fittest. Any other morals the atheist has are borrowed from some religion. So Chris, the morals you learned from your parents and society are Christian morals. How repulsive!