Any bodybuilder dose of anything will completely shut down natural testosterone production to virtually nothing but once shut down...is there further recovery damage from a long cycle? You can't really get more shut down once you're at zero. I kind of logically think there is some effect on inactivity On HPTA axis over time of no use.

But, for example we can go into a state of COMPLETE deconditioning. Whether you dont train for 10 months or 2 years....your deconditioning will be about the same and reconditiong probably about the same. Is HPTA same way?

So if you're shut completely down for say 6 months...it it substantially harder or slower to recover than say 3 months completely shut down? All other factors equal?

That answer is going to be that it's indivually specific depending on dosages and the person also on the choice of poison you choose. Longer can't help but it'll be different for most and same for some.

I would say the longer on the longer you will take restart your natural production.But again so many factors involved : HCG use on cycle, compounds used and most importantly genetics.Some people have permanently fucked themselves up just from a 4 week cycle of superdrol while others can be blasting for years, go off and recover fine without drugs.

We're already starting to discover that preventing damage to the testes on cycle is probably the best way of standing any chance of genuinely recovering post-cycle, and that standard PCT's evidently do little to secure long-term recovery.

The use of Royal jelly and Taurine on cycle might be prudent:

The Royal Jelly works because it prevents the down-regulation of the catalase enzyme that occurs with AAS. Catalase helps eliminate ROS (oxidants) from the testes and thus prevents the kind of cellular massacre that occurs as a result of exogenous AAS use.

This is different to the effect of taurine, which also helps protect cells of the testes (in rats, at least) indirectly via it's role in supporting other powerful anti-oxidative mechanisms like glutathione (GSH).