Much has been written about civilization (actually, Civilization, all
good Catholics genuflect and make the sign of the Cross) lately in
TLE. Who am I to resist getting my two cents in?

First of, I must point out that civilization is not the same as
advanced technology. Iron working was discovered/invented by
Indo-European semi-nomadic tribes, the stirrup by steppes horse
raiders, and the use of light polarizing crystals for navigation
by the Vikings, all of whom are considered pretty much barbarians.
For what it's worth civilization may fall, but we will keep our
technotoys and even invent better ones.

Opinion here, but I think describing fact: Strong central government
is not necessarily a sign of civilization. Indeed, at best the
leaders of strong central governments see "civilization" as a goose
that lays golden eggs and have enough sense to resist the urge for
pate de foie gras. H. Beam Piper makes this point in Space Vikings,
but let us remember Temujin, who realized he and his Mongol Hordes
could profit more by ruling China and taxing it forever than by
wrecking and looting the place once. Thomas Paine suggests that
barbarians conquered civilizations and imposed themselves as a
ruling class, which inspired the article "Res Nostra" some years
back. In fact, the only great ruler who seemed interested in creating,
or at least spreading, civilization (the Helllenistic) was Iskandar
Dhul-Qarnayn.

The term civilization seems to refer to an organized stable society
marked by people being able to go about their honest business and
able to pursue their self interests in such a manner that not only
causes no harm but is actually of benefit to their fellows, both
acting cooperatively for mutual profit or individually for private gain.

It must be noted that Tom Kratman and others have spoken of harsh
measures needed to protect civilization. I submit that when a
civilization is falling people will engage in such harsh measures
to protect the benefits of civilization for their society. I can
not deny that in many places our (mis) ruling elites have so
thoroughly failed to do their duty that they have created a real
need, or at least the appearance of a need, for such measures.
Some may have even done so planning to create a crisis they could
use to arrogate power greater than their proper need.

Finally it should be pointed out that civilization requires a
certain amount of effort to keep alive, and that certain values
and virtues must be shared by the members of a civilized society,
among these being a value on civilization, personal excellence,
physical and moral courage, intellectual independence, zeal for
protecting one's liberties, and a decent regard for the freedoms
of others, including a willingness to help others in the defense
of their rights.

Anybody know a publication promoting these things?

[ We here at LNSTLE try with our limited resources; there
is a online 'zine called The
New Atlantis which seems to have promoting Civilization as its
goal, there is also a The
World and I which also seems pro-Civilization—Editor ]

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