We are not apes, we are not monkeys, we are not dogs/wolves, we are not cats, we are not birds, we are not fish, lizards, reptiles, or amphibians. Hell, we aren't even the mythical Grok. We have self awareness which may or may not separate us from some species left here on earth.

No one needs to defend the way they eat. If you know a Vegan you care about, ask if they're getting enough B12 and move on. We are more aligned with vegans, raw food eaters, fruitarians, etc., than we are with SAD and CW eaters. Though our raison d'etre might be robust health, and theirs might be a squishy bambi complex, we are all moving away from listening to the powers that be.

And I agree with you. Soy beans, almonds, and rice do not have teats. And yet some of us drink their milk.

"Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

When you understand the Vegan lifestyle, it's not hard to see why they're so nuts.

They eat a certain way because of feelings they have about nature and animals. Fine. But, they had a horrible time selling this line of thinking to the masses, so they paid a bunch of Vegan talking heads a lot of money to rebrand Veganism as "eating for health," thinking that would sell better.

Now the eating for health part is being rejected so they're teetering between the two, hopelessly lost because they've yet to figure out that Veganism isn't the natural state of a human being. Their product doesn't align with 99.9% of potential customers who have a heartbeat, so it's doomed to failure.

Consequently, it turns out that Veganism is potentially more harmful to animals than Paleo is.

I happen to be one of the people who just hopes they'll go away and stop wasting our time.