It doesn't just stop there either, because if it's not loot trading or sharding, you find something else to !@#$% and moan about.

To be fair, it will stop as soon as they do things right.

If they change their minds on Sharding and Loot Trading, implement at least progressive itemization and possibly use 8 debuffs until ZG patch, I don't think there's anything else to discuss, the game is basically perfect at that point and I'd be the first to applaud them.

It doesn't just stop there either, because if it's not loot trading or sharding, you find something else to !@#$% and moan about.

To be fair, it will stop as soon as they do things right.

If they change their minds on Sharding and Loot Trading, implement at least progressive itemization and possibly use 8 debuffs until ZG patch, I don't think there's anything else to discuss, the game is basically perfect at that point and I'd be the first to applaud them.

Loot trading, sharding, 16 debuffs at launch and their patch release schedule are the four big issues we have right now, most other things are either things we know we're not gonna get (keep all bugs, no bnet integration, progressive class balance) or very minor things that they will most likely fix (animations, items, bugs etc).

If they remove loot trading, remove sharding (or give their word that it wont ever be used after 2 weeks in the starting zones), keep 8 debuffs up to ZG and have a proper patch schedule with progressive itemization/DM after 4 months etc then I'm sure over 90% of the vanilla community will be satisfied compared to like what, 20% right now?

If they change their minds on Sharding and Loot Trading, implement at least progressive itemization and possibly use 8 debuffs until ZG patch, I don't think there's anything else to discuss, the game is basically perfect at that point and I'd be the first to applaud them.

Loot trading, sharding, 16 debuffs at launch and their patch release schedule are the four big issues we have right now, most other things are either things we know we're not gonna get (keep all bugs, no bnet integration, progressive class balance) or very minor things that they will most likely fix (animations, items, bugs etc).

If they remove loot trading, remove sharding (or give their word that it wont ever be used after 2 weeks in the starting zones), keep 8 debuffs up to ZG and have a proper patch schedule with progressive itemization/DM after 4 months etc then I'm sure over 90% of the vanilla community will be satisfied compared to like what, 20% right now?

Oh ye I forgot about that, a better schedule release.

ZG released at the same time with BWL or world bosses+DM at launch... not the best plan.

But yes, if they fix the things you mentioned, the vast majority will be happy.