The USS John C. Stennis is hosting informal Heathen services called sumbels in its chapel for a “small, committed” group of sailors.

A statement released by the carrier says Aviation Electrician’s Mate 2nd Class Joshua Wood has been appointed Heathen lay leader for the carrier.

“I never felt like I connected with anything spiritual until I visited Norway and discovered a group of Heathens who opened my eyes to their religion,” fellow practitioner Aviation Electronics Technician Airman Joshua Shaikoski said, Military Times reported Thursday.

The newspaper noted that Aviation Electrician’s Mate 2nd Class Wood’s appointment was approved by commanding officers “on the basis of volunteerism, high moral character, motivation, religious interest and a letter of certification by the appointee’s religious organization.”

“Heathenry helped me connect with people on the ship that I would have just passed by,” Aviation Electronics Technician Airman Shaikoski added.

Is this sailor respectful of authority? Does he do his actual job well? Does he irritate others around him with his pronouncements about “faith”? I will assume that there must be at least several commissioned chaplains on board a carrier with a crew of over 5,000; do they have objections? Under the First Amendment to the Constitution, this young man has the legal right to meet with his fellow believers! Centuries ago, Catholics and Protestants in Europe used to kill each other in large numbers; all in the name of the Prince of Peace!! Let’s not get into that kind of thinking again!!
One more question: Are other religious minorities among crew members also allowed time and space to meet together for short periods of time, whenever they are not at work at their assigned duties? They are also allowed to do so under the Constitution.

“Centuries ago, Catholics and Protestants in Europe used to kill each other in large numbers; all in the name of the Prince of Peace!!”

Not exactly true

What is usually overlooked is the Roman Empire existed to 1453 in the east.

With the fall of Constantinople, the varies Christian patriarchies fleed into the west with their religious writings which caused questioning of the Pope’s authority on Earth.

Of course, the Pope considered such thinking rebellion AGAINST HIM so he took to wiping out any view he considered heretical

Now if you hold the alternate view do you die as a martyr or do you fight back?

So yes, the Pope was assuming a mantle of authority in the name of the “Prince of Peace” which the writings from the east showed he did not possess

So they were really wars about does a man speak for the “Prince of Peace” or does he speak for himself

Jesus makes it very clear just doing something in his name will not get you into Heaven

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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darby

12:43 pm January 5, 2019 at 12:43 pm

You forgot to mention that the “Roman” empire in the east was Byzantium which was also Christian – and was sacked by Christians in 1204 in the Fourth Crusade.

The implied meaning in the 1st Amendment was that we have freedom to practice all Biblical religions. Chiefly, Protestantism, and to a lesser extent Catholicism and Judaism.

Other religions were tolerated but it was political suicide to practice them. Unless you were a practicing Christian, nobody would vote for you.

The 1st Amendment was never written to protect “heathenism”. None of the Founding Fathers would have fought and died for heathen rights. Even in today’s lost society, you’d have to look around to find a politician willing to fight for heathen rights. I know I’d never vote for such a fool.

The Amendments weren’t just random thoughts captured numerically. If you read the subtext of the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers, and the Constitution, it’s quite clear that we have special rights given to us specifically by the God of the Bible. This lines human law up with God’s law.

God would never “legalize” heathenism. It’s contrary to God’s law.

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darby

8:32 pm January 5, 2019 at 8:32 pm

There is enough writings by some to give the impression that some questioned the existence of God. Since at the time it was “common” knowledge that a sneeze and a rainbow were an act of God, you are right in stating that it would be political suicide to be anything other than Christian. If the founders were such Christians, why wouldn’t they be a little more specific? Even the first amendment and the first of the ten commandments contradict each other. It would seem reasonable that the founders were aware of other religions.

Just another sign that our world as we know it is ceasing to exist. The splintering of morals, religions, laws, and what is wrong and right is happening before our eyes. I wouldn’t doubt that this will raise some eyebrows with some of the Navy brass.

Sunday = Sun Day
Monday = Moon Day
Tuesday = “Tīw’s Day”, the day of Tiw or Týr, the god of single combat, and law and justice in Norse mythology
Wednesday = Woden’s (Odin) Day
Thursday = Thor’s Day Odin’s son
Friday = Frigg’s day Odin’s wife
Saturday = Saturn’s Day

The term “Heathen” is normally used among non-Christians to refer to the religion more formally known as “Asatru.” This is the old Norse religion of the “Vikings” and translates roughly as “the way of the Gods.” It is, and has been, one of the 2 official state religions of Iceland since that country was first settled hundreds of years before the US was founded (the other is Christianity). It is a fairly popular pagan religion in the US and elsewhere, especially in Scandinavia. Its values are quite consistent with those of the military, perhaps even more so than Christianity, and I doubt either that there is an Asatru chaplain on the Stennis, or that the chaplain they have aboard would object to it.

As long as the sailor doesn’t knock on my door wanting to talk to me about me converting to Heathenism, don’t have to be baptized by immersion, can drink alcohol, eat pork and still get a paid holiday due to religious reasons I say let him use the chapel.

Other religions were tolerated but it was political suicide to practice them. Unless you were a practicing Christian, nobody would vote for you.

BINGO! DrGaget.

One had to be a member of a congregation to hold office at one time in this country and Roman Catholicism was out.
I always get a kick out of people saying, “this is not who we are” and yet not having a clue.

Quoting from the essay “Christian Nation?” by the Rev. James Huber: (bolding added)

The Founding Fathers were brilliant men. They spent months and months working on the Constitution. They were very, very careful about what they wrote, discussing and debating every passage at great length. It seems to me that if they had intended this to be a Christian nation they would have said so somewhere in the Constitution. The Founding Fathers had no reason to be vague. There was no ACLU, no “Activist judges.” If they had wanted a Christian Nation they could have written:

God Almighty, in Order to form a true Christian Nation, establish Divine Justice, insure adherence to His Laws, provide for the defense of His Church, promote His Word, and secure His Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, has led us to ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Instead they wrote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The chapel is consecrated space. There are a multitude of other spaces aboard a carrier where this could be done, so it clearly is a blatant attack on legitimate Judaeo-Christianity. It is an embarrassment that Naval command would allow this to occur.

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