Does anyone know were I can get a Ukrainian Orthodox prayerbook that uses English (especially side by side with Ukrainian)?

I have several copies of a book called "Chlib Dusi" which uses English alongside phonetic Slavonic. Would this be the same as a prayerbook used by Ukrainian Orthodox? I am specifically thinking of the liturgical rubrics. I want to know exactly how the Ukrainian and Russian style of services and prayers differ from eachother?

Thank you for any help.

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I second Handmaiden's request for respect, Robb! ...although I truly believe your deep rooted Faith would not allow you to disrespect an Orthodox prayer book, no matter the language or origin.

I have that exact same book and I love it. I have purchased one for each of my godchildren, too. Some are too young to read it yet, so, I have it in safe-keeping for them.

During their last visit, I had His Eminence Archbishop Antony, His Grace Bishop Daniel, and our priest Otetz Pavlo sign them.

Hopefully, they will become family heirlooms, to be used and cherished not only by my godchildren, but, by their children, some day.

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I can assure you that it would never cross my mind to disrespect or damage a prayerbook.

Just because I have some issues with Ukrainian nationalism does not mean that I am against the Ukrainian people or their Church.

In fact, I am very interested in learning about the liturgy that is practiced in UOC parishes and how it differs from that of the ROC.

Perhaps if I could understand the differences between the Ukrainian and Russian forms of Orthodoxy then I could learn to appreciate the need for an autocephalous Ukrainian Church more.

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Robb a great prayerbook in Ukrainian and English is the one already mentioned here..the molitobnik from boundbrook. The chlib dusi (bread of life in english) is an old standby once given to children at their first confession/first communion (yes there were orthodox parishes that gave first communion to children at the same time as their first confession..and yes = have a humeral veil from an oca parish that used to have adoration and benediction during lent). the chlib dusi slavonic is written in latinica using the slovak alphabet. now for ukrainian versus russian liturgics it would depend on the parish. the small ones i grew up with have very unique rubrics and small traditions. in my home parish (uoc usa) the priest uses the oca liturigicon and i run the doors and curtain like rocor. he would keep them open the whole liturgy and the flock thanked me for reintoducing what they knew.. presanctified is different than rocor/oca. start a new thread on the liturgical/rubrical differences between rocor and the uoc usa and = assure you my response will be as complete as possible.

Does this prayerbook use contemporary English or traditional "Elizabethan" English (e.g., "thee" and "thou")?

Iconodule, do you mean the "Chlib Duci" or the other prayerbook, the one I had mentioned earlier, in contemporary Ukrainian? The contemporary one uses "You" in its English translation, and it has modern forms like "You do" rather than "Thou dost" etc.

Robb, write to Vladyka Daniel (Zelinsky), VladykaDaniel@aol.com. He is the person who kindly sent me a copy of my Ukrainian prayerbook back in January 2007. I still have it in my icon corner and use it for daily prayer. (BTW, back in 2007 Fr. Daniel was still a hieromonk; I understand he was made bishop of the canonical autocephalous UOC-USA some time in 2008 or 2009). If you want to use conventional mail, the address is: His Eninence Bishop Daniel, St. Volodymyr Cathedral, 2230-50 West Cortez St., Chicago, IL 60622 Tel: (773) 278-2827.

Does this prayerbook use contemporary English or traditional "Elizabethan" English (e.g., "thee" and "thou")?

Iconodule, do you mean the "Chlib Duci" or the other prayerbook, the one I had mentioned earlier, in contemporary Ukrainian? The contemporary one uses "You" in its English translation, and it has modern forms like "You do" rather than "Thou dost" etc.

Robb, write to Vladyka Daniel (Zelinsky), VladykaDaniel@aol.com. He is the person who kindly sent me a copy of my Ukrainian prayerbook back in January 2007. I still have it in my icon corner and use it for daily prayer. (BTW, back in 2007 Fr. Daniel was still a hieromonk; I understand he was made bishop of the canonical autocephalous UOC-USA some time in 2008 or 2009). If you want to use conventional mail, the address is: His Eninence Bishop Daniel, St. Volodymyr Cathedral, 2230-50 West Cortez St., Chicago, IL 60622 Tel: (773) 278-2827.

Yes Fr. Daniel Zelinsky is Bishop Daniel of the UOC-USA Ecumenical Patriarchate. You can buy the Molitobnik/Prayerbook from South Boundbrook for 25 dollars I believe.

While I don't recommend anyone read during Divine Liturgy, I sometimes give it to my oldest niece and ask her to follow along in English, what is being said in Ukrainian. She's only 10, and she manages to do a good job.

As for His Grace, Bishop Daniel - I was blessed and lucky enough to be at his consecration and enthronement last year. Both events were a "once in a lifetime" and unforgettable.

His Grace will also be visiting my parish this coming weekend for Palm Sunday!

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Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Daily Prayers: Morning prayers Prays during the day Evening PrayersPreparation for Confession and Communion: The Holy Mystery of Repentance Prayers and Instruction Regarding Confession Prayers of Preparation for Holy CommunionThe All-Night Vigil Great Vespers Great MatinsThe Divine Liturgy (St. John Chrysostom) Anaphora of the Liturgy of St. Basil the Great Prayers following Holy CommunionPropers for the Eight Tones and Great Feasts Resurrectional Propers Paschal Propers Pentecostarion Propers for the Great FeastsSupplementary Material: Memorial Litia Moleben The Small Catechism Religious songs Paschalion

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Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Also, I've heard that the UOCC is going to do a 2nd edition of their prayerbook (The Good Shepherd). Its much larger than our prayerbook, about the size of Hapgood. The Ukrainian text differs a little from what the UOCofUSA uses. You can email them at: churchgoods@uocc.ca to place an order.

Also, I've heard that the UOCC is going to do a 2nd edition of their prayerbook (The Good Shepherd). Its much larger than our prayerbook, about the size of Hapgood. The Ukrainian text differs a little from what the UOCofUSA uses. You can email them at: churchgoods@uocc.ca to place an order.

Thank you, Father! This sounds like a great option. Does it include the same material as the UOCofUSA book? What style of English does it use? Thanks.

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Also, I've heard that the UOCC is going to do a 2nd edition of their prayerbook (The Good Shepherd). Its much larger than our prayerbook, about the size of Hapgood. The Ukrainian text differs a little from what the UOCofUSA uses. You can email them at: churchgoods@uocc.ca to place an order.

Thank you, Father! This sounds like a great option. Does it include the same material as the UOCofUSA book? What style of English does it use? Thanks.

Not a 100% on what type of English is used,tho I think its modern. Here's a link to the original press release for the original edition with an additional link to some photos: http://www.uocc.ca/en-ca/faith/articles/parishlife/anewprayerbook.asp

I know it does contain the Akathist to the Mother of God.

As a word of advice, pre-order it now. I made the mistake when the 1st edition came out, it went into out-of-print real fast.

Thanks, Liza. So I guess no akathists, but I believe a moleben is an abridged canon. Could you say whether the "Paschal Propers" include the Lenten troparia/ kontakia?

Yes, they do.

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It's more a series of excerpts from Matins, arranged as a service of supplication. A canon may be inserted into a moleben but this is optional, and uncommon in ROCOR. It may be more common to use the canon as part of the moleben in the Ukrainian tradition, but I don't know.

In Christ,M

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I will check my church this Sunday and see if we still have a copy for sale.

I will also check my own stash. I bought quite a few and have been passing them out. Not sure I have any left, though.

I'll let you know.

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Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Liza, you truly will be a saint! Literally spreading the word of God and the services of His Church by giving these prayer books out is amazing. This is the best prayer book I've ever used, and I've yet to find a better one.

Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

I'd love to learn some prayers that were distinct to the Ukraine. There's a rich heritage there.

It's not the Ukraine, it's Ukraine Sorry I had to be the first to correct ya, I'm sure others would have too. I don't know, lots of Ukrainian stuff that I am aware of is shared with the Ukrainian Greek Catholic traditions.. that is western Ukrainian stuff. I'm no expert, ie, I only know what I see here and what people from UA tell me. Rich traditions in that much of it is a crossroads of Eastern and Western spirituality so you get some little traditions that you won't find say in the Moscow Patriarchate..

Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Table of contents. I wouldn't ask anyone to transcribe the text of the prayer book in its entirety.

I actually have the morning/evening prayers already transcribed on my computer. It's a fairly basic set.

Table of Contents1. Daily Prayer

Morning Prayer

Prayers for various needs

Evening Prayer

2. A Brief Catechism

God's Ten Commandments

The Two Great Commandments of God

The Nine Commandments of the Beatitudes

The Church Commandments

Truths of the Faith

The Holy Mysteries

Christian Virtues

The Seven Corporal Acts of Mercy

The Seven Spiritual Acts of Mercy

Major Sins and their Opposite Virtues

Sins Against the Holy Spirit

Conditions for a Good Confession

Instruction about Prayer

When to Make the Sign of the Cross

Greeting Orthodox Clergy

The Feasts of the Church

Fasts Prescribed by the Church

Days for the Special Commemoration of the Departed

Days on which Weddings are Not Permitted

Festive Salutations

3. The Order of Great Vespers4. Matins5. Preparations for the Holy Mysteries of Confession and Communion

The Holy Mystery of repentance

Examination of Conscience According to the Ten Commandments

Rite of Preparation for Holy Communion

Prayers before Holy Communion

6. The Divine Liturgies of Our Holy Fathers John Chrysostom and Basil the Great7. Prayers of Thanksgiving Following Communion8. Changeable Portions of the Liturgy

For the Daily Services

Resurrectional Tones

9. From the General Menaion10. The Lenten Triodion11. From the Pentecostarion12. From the Festive Menaion13. Akathists

To Our Lord Jesus Christ

To the Most Holy Theotokos

To Saint Nicholas

14. Molebens and Memorial Litia

Moleben to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Theotokos

Moleben of Thanksgiving

Memorial Litia

15. Supplementary Materials

Epistle and Gospel Readings

The Order of Lesser Sanctification of Water

Index of Fixed Feasts and Selected Saints

Paschalion

16. Religious Songs

Let us Humbly Enter

O Great God

We Beseech You O Virgin

How great Thou art

O Heavenly King, Almighty God

The Mournful Mother

17. Carols

God Eternal

There was Great Joy

Heaven and Earth

Heavens Great Star

Now that's a good prayerbook. Way more comprehensive than my "Pocket Prayerbook for Orthodox Christians."

Questions for anyone:

How large is it? Would there be any problems with using a Ukrainian prayerbook to follow along the liturgy in an Antiochian parish? I know that they both use the Byzantine Rite, but are there any jurisdictional differentiations that I should be aware of?Are there any prayerbooks which are even more comprehensive?

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Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

Roughly 8" tall by 6" wide. Almost 900 pages. Quite hefty and definitely not pocket-sized, I actually leave mine at home when I go to church. I have heard rumours that they will be producing a lighter version that is not so comprehensive--really this contains more than the average layperson would ever need--but checking with my sources, that project isn't off the ground yet.

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Would there be any problems with using a Ukrainian prayerbook to follow along the liturgy in an Antiochian parish? I know that they both use the Byzantine Rite, but are there any jurisdictional differentiations that I should be aware of?

My understanding and experience from Antiochian parishes is that it is optional but not necessarily universal for certainly litanies to be skipped (from after the Gospel reading to the Cherubic Hymn, if I recall correctly). Furthermore, the Antiochian tradition is different at times from the Ukrainian/Slavic tradition. Not everything will be the same, but it will close enough to get by.

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Are there any prayerbooks which are even more comprehensive?

Possibly, but I'm not sure what more a person would need.

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Roughly 8" tall by 6" wide. Almost 900 pages. Quite hefty and definitely not pocket-sized, I actually leave mine at home when I go to church. I have heard rumours that they will be producing a lighter version that is not so comprehensive--really this contains more than the average layperson would ever need--but checking with my sources, that project isn't off the ground yet.

It's not 8 x 6. You made me dig up a ruler and actually measure it. It's just a tad taller than 6" (~6.5') and wider than 4" (~4.25) and about 1.5" thick.

....a bit thick for a pocket, but, nonetheless comprehensive, and well worth having.

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Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria