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So I've just spent some time reading over the forum post "Aliens... Of Course They Exist" and I'm going to resist the urge to laugh and ask "are you people fucking serious?".I consider myself a fairly open minded person who adjusts his views when presented with evidence - you will never, for example, hear me say that aliens don't exist because I can't pretend to know that. What you will hear me say is this: if aliens existed and regularly made contact with humans don't you think there would be a little evidence, somewhere?Having read the entirety of the afore mentioned forum post I feel I have a basic understanding of how you people operate:You take a concept that you think is cool from a book or movie and then you eithera) lie to those around you by pretending to have proofor, worse b) lie to yourself and believe that you have proofand yet I never see any of this proof posted.Monica1968 is a serial offender - Every single forum post contains a claim that she has had contact with aliens or some kind of secret government agency and she honestly seems to expect people to take that on face value. She seems to be trying to give off the impression that she has been abducted and knows things that other people don't - how about either backing up your attitude with some facts or shutting the hell up?Gemini663181 is another - a lot of claims made with little evidence to back them up.In the previous forum thread you compared people 'witnessing' alien encounters with people witnessing a murder and complained that, unlike people who 'witness' aliens, the witnesses in the murder trial are listened - well, I put it to you that in any murder trial there will be a to prove that a murder has actually happened. You show me the evidence of alien encounters actually taking place and I'll start listening to people in tinfoil hats who babble about Greys.Finally, there's Livelavalive28 who, after chronically misunderstanding the criteria used to decide if a planet could possibly support life, claims to be more informed about the issue than the top astrolomists in the world.In fact, in the entire thread of around 50 comments no-one once offered anything that could remotely be considered evidence - and when you were asked to you listed some authors - more heresay, not the most compelling of evidence.So I want you to understand - I'm looking for photos, videos, audio extracts, leaked reports or ANYTHING aside from your own personal story about how you (or a friend's friend) were 'abducted', or saw a Grey buying the newspaper in Cardiff last Thursday.

I was abducted three weeks ago, there was evidence but the government took it away and tried to convince me that I was crazy. I know the truth and there are other people banding together who also saw something that day.

Skeptic47,You seem sort of out of place here, sort of like a heathen at a church revival. But, no matter. Glad to talk aliens with you.My suggestion is that you break this down, and cover the basics before we get into aliens. There are literally tens of thousands of reliable accounts, often from astronauts, pilots, and high-ranking military officials, about sightings of objects that defy current technology and understanding. Incredibally large objects, which can hover silently, and move at speeds that are impossible for modern aircraft, which defy our understand of physics. Read Leslie Kean's "Pilots, Generals,....." It could be real eye-opener for you, it was for me. It is coming out now in paperback.Now, once you are firmly convincened that something is in our skies that defies human description, you ask yourself, what is it? Once you go through the possibilities, extra-terrestrial visitation, or extra-dimensional visitation become strong probabilities. We call it the extra-terrestrial hypothesis. You say there is no evidence of this, which unless you are blinded, can't read, or can't understand language, is just not true. My suspicion is that you already had your mind made up and therefore don't "see" the evidence, or just haven't looked. 1. Read the scores of testimonials from Roswell. William Haut, Jessie Marcel, Glenn Dennis, and so many others.2. Read what astronauts Gordon Cooper (who witnessed UFOs) and Dr. Edgar Mitchell have to say about the subject.3. Read the accounts of other famous and well-documented cases. Read about the Ryndlesham Forest incident in 1980. Kecksberg, and so many other famous cases.4. Read the public information that has now become available from GB, NZ, and even the FBI "vault" site. 5. Visit sites like the "Disclosure Project", where liternally hundreds of former military and goverment officials, with knowledge are speaking out about the subject, and demanding that the goverment disclose what it knows. 6. Read the Barney and Betty Hill story, and then you can begin to appreciate what Monica and others are saying. How do you explain implacts? Scars that appear overnight? Study the Walton case. It is fancinating.7. Observe some of the photos and videos that have been recorded. Go back to the Trent photogragh in the 1950s, and work your way forward. Yes, some photos and videos have been faked, no way to avoid that. But, so many have been validated by experts. 8. Realize that UFOs have been reported for thousands of years. Ezekiel. Alexander the Great. Columbus. The list goes on and on.9. Finally, why not? Humans are less than a million years old. The universe is some 14.5 billion years old. The earth only 4.5 billion. Why in the vastness of space, with trillions upon trillions of stars, is it so hard to believe that civilizations could not have advanced so far as to travel through space? Speed of light limitations? Einstein himself granted that time/space could possibly by "bent' and left the possiblity of wormholes in his equations. I don't know HOW they are geting here, yet I know in my heart they are.It is okay to be a skeptic, but read the real evidence and decide for yourself. I feel like the evidence, contrary to what you said, is overwhelming.

See here's the thing - I want to believe what you're saying... who wouldn't? Aliens taking a special interest in humanity - a cool thought, an awesome fantasy.But you understand that's all it is, right? It's fantasy.I'm looking at the website for the Disclosure Project now - and I have one question:Of the "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret." not a single one has managed to take a photo, or a piece of alien technology, or a sample of alien body tissue? You say I should read about 10,000 books full of heresay and circumstantial evidence before denying that aliens are here.I say: why should I bother to read about 10,000 books full of heresay and circumstantial evidence without ever having seen anything that could be regarded as real proof.

Skeptic,There are tons of evidence that the government has been involved in a huge cover-up. Look at the timeline for Roswell. The government announces that it has captured a flying disk (before it was cleared with Washington) and the next day said it was a weather balloon. The most elite military group in the world mistook a flying disk for a balloon? Does that sound logical?Then, after all the Roswell debate, the goverment is compelled to write hundreds of pages, in two major reports in the 1990s. The last one "case closed" said that the reports of aliens were likely test dummies, that people mistook for aliens? Really? The reports were of small child like humanoids with large heads, approximately 4' tall. The test dummies used were full man size, 6' tall. The clincher is that this program didn't start until 1953, when the Roswell crash happened in 1947.I will write some more later, but check into these facts. Please read the testimony of William Haut, the base communications officer. And from Jessie Marcell, the base intelligence officer. You don't need to read 10,000 books to begin to see that something is being kept from us. I will try to write more later. My wife is after me for some "honey dos".

JChris-Obviously you know a lot more about Roswell than I do, but nothing you just said suggests aliens to me.I could come up with a hell of a lot of natural, or at least man-made explainations for every single thing there.i/e - Military test using children to pilot saucer shaped attack craft went horribly awry causing the military to ditch the plans for the flying disc and cover the whole thing up.I'm saying - show me proof of aliens so I can make that leap with you.

Skeptic,Read this webpage. It shouldnt take too long and it will catch you up on the major points. Yes, there are skeptical sites as well. IMO, the best proof is in reading or watching the eye-witness testimonies, as I mentioned earler.The Ramey memo is covered here, and you will see that the General was holding this piece of paper when the famous debris picture was taken. Marcell told about a memory metal that was light and pliable like aluminum foil, yet couldn't be cut, burned or dented with a 20 lb hammer. Jessie Marcell testified that the wreckage was swapped with conventional weather balloons for this picture. The memo may be the smoking gun, but I will let you decide.http://www.roswellproof.com/

"heathen at a church revival"...priceless.I am a firm believer in UFOs. I have seen them, up close and personal as the saying goes. And no, I did not have a camera at the time, this was long before people carried smart phones. It probably would not have made a difference had I had one in my hand. I was in an auto accident last week, with two cameras and my cell phone in my car. I did not even think to take any photos. That's the thing about most human's brains, once you hit the "fight or flight", everything else goes out the window.

So I've just spent some time reading over the forum post "Aliens... Of Course They Exist" and I'm going to resist the urge to laugh and ask "are you people fucking serious?".I consider myself a fairly open minded person who adjusts his views when presented with evidence - you will never, for example, hear me say that aliens don't exist because I can't pretend to know that. What you will hear me say is this: if aliens existed and regularly made contact with humans don't you think there would be a little evidence, somewhere?Having read the entirety of the afore mentioned forum post I feel I have a basic understanding of how you people operate:You take a concept that you think is cool from a book or movie and then you eithera) lie to those around you by pretending to have proofor, worse b) lie to yourself and believe that you have proofand yet I never see any of this proof posted.Monica1968 is a serial offender - Every single forum post contains a claim that she has had contact with aliens or some kind of secret government agency and she honestly seems to expect people to take that on face value. She seems to be trying to give off the impression that she has been abducted and knows things that other people don't - how about either backing up your attitude with some facts or shutting the hell up?Gemini663181 is another - a lot of claims made with little evidence to back them up.In the previous forum thread you compared people 'witnessing' alien encounters with people witnessing a murder and complained that, unlike people who 'witness' aliens, the witnesses in the murder trial are listened - well, I put it to you that in any murder trial there will be a to prove that a murder has actually happened. You show me the evidence of alien encounters actually taking place and I'll start listening to people in tinfoil hats who babble about Greys.Finally, there's Livelavalive28 who, after chronically misunderstanding the criteria used to decide if a planet could possibly support life, claims to be more informed about the issue than the top astrolomists in the world.In fact, in the entire thread of around 50 comments no-one once offered anything that could remotely be considered evidence - and when you were asked to you listed some authors - more heresay, not the most compelling of evidence.So I want you to understand - I'm looking for photos, videos, audio extracts, leaked reports or ANYTHING aside from your own personal story about how you (or a friend's friend) were 'abducted', or saw a Grey buying the newspaper in Cardiff last Thursday.

laugh out loud.....are you for real..........facts my friend...........all there for whover..........................lol.................well i am not going to speak for gemini.....he can do that himself.....but i know him to be of sound mind................omg............more laugh............oh well my freind..........happy hunting

laugh out loud.....are you for real..........facts my friend...........all there for whover..........................lol.................well i am not going to speak for gemini.....he can do that himself.....but i know him to be of sound mind................omg............more laugh............oh well my freind..........happy hunting

i also have no compeacepunctions about my sanity either...............its all very real.........and to that of my family.........but you are entitled to your opinions.....free speach and all that..............

i also have no compeacepunctions about my sanity either...............its all very real.........and to that of my family.........but you are entitled to your opinions.....free speach and all that..............

"heathen at a church revival"...priceless.I am a firm believer in UFOs. I have seen them, up close and personal as the saying goes. And no, I did not have a camera at the time, this was long before people carried smart phones. It probably would not have made a difference had I had one in my hand. I was in an auto accident last week, with two cameras and my cell phone in my car. I did not even think to take any photos. That's the thing about most human's brains, once you hit the "fight or flight", everything else goes out the window.

So I've just spent some time reading over the forum post "Aliens... Of Course They Exist" and I'm going to resist the urge to laugh and ask "are you people fucking serious?".I consider myself a fairly open minded person who adjusts his views when presented with evidence - you will never, for example, hear me say that aliens don't exist because I can't pretend to know that. What you will hear me say is this: if aliens existed and regularly made contact with humans don't you think there would be a little evidence, somewhere?Having read the entirety of the afore mentioned forum post I feel I have a basic understanding of how you people operate:You take a concept that you think is cool from a book or movie and then you eithera) lie to those around you by pretending to have proofor, worse b) lie to yourself and believe that you have proofand yet I never see any of this proof posted.Monica1968 is a serial offender - Every single forum post contains a claim that she has had contact with aliens or some kind of secret government agency and she honestly seems to expect people to take that on face value. She seems to be trying to give off the impression that she has been abducted and knows things that other people don't - how about either backing up your attitude with some facts or shutting the hell up?Gemini663181 is another - a lot of claims made with little evidence to back them up.In the previous forum thread you compared people 'witnessing' alien encounters with people witnessing a murder and complained that, unlike people who 'witness' aliens, the witnesses in the murder trial are listened - well, I put it to you that in any murder trial there will be a to prove that a murder has actually happened. You show me the evidence of alien encounters actually taking place and I'll start listening to people in tinfoil hats who babble about Greys.Finally, there's Livelavalive28 who, after chronically misunderstanding the criteria used to decide if a planet could possibly support life, claims to be more informed about the issue than the top astrolomists in the world.In fact, in the entire thread of around 50 comments no-one once offered anything that could remotely be considered evidence - and when you were asked to you listed some authors - more heresay, not the most compelling of evidence.So I want you to understand - I'm looking for photos, videos, audio extracts, leaked reports or ANYTHING aside from your own personal story about how you (or a friend's friend) were 'abducted', or saw a Grey buying the newspaper in Cardiff last Thursday.

ps.....i certainly dont wear tinfoil hats either.................messes up my hair and looks totally ridiculous...............which is something your post does aswell..............have you nothing better to do with ones time.........gosh.............open your eyes..........seek and thee shall find...........although in my case i didnt have to look far........

JChris - How can something be pliable and not dent? Those are the same thing. That's like saying 'he was a man who leaked red water when he was cut but he didn't bleed'.That 'memo' photo - you realise that it's impossible to read anything that blown up, I don't care what sorts of contrasting or filters you're using. I'm asking for legitimate proof here and all I'm being given is shaky premises and people asking me to make leaps without solid footing underneath.Sure, jaguarsky, except that in every field aside from the paranormal people manage to capture photos even when shocked and in 'fight or flight' mode. Witness testimony is unreliable - memories are rarely accurate and become warped over time.There are millions of people who believe in this sort of thing, and believe in it enough to search entire countries with cameras ready looking for proof of aliens. Not one of them has ever been successful. No-one has captured anything even close to legitimate proof.

Skeptic...read what Marcell said/wrote. It could be bend like tinfoil from a candy wrapper, yet would return to its shape. Further, you could dent bang it with a hammer, and yes it would bend, but it would return to its original shape. So, yes it would dent, but the dents would not stay.Being that the government took control of the massive debris field for Roswell, and combed the area for months collecting the debris, what sort of proof of this metal do you expect to find? Well, you may be in luck.http://www.openminds.tv/test-confirms-roswell-debris-733/It is also reported that there will be some major news on some debris, found at the crash site, during the MUFO conference in KC in late August. I understand that you want to touch an alien or something, and i can't give you that proof. I do believe the words of people like Edgar Mitchell. In fact, he is one of my real heros.Read this article by Dr. Stanton Friedman, whom most consider the preeminent "UFOlogist" today. See if this helps bring you around. This guy is not a kook, and is one of the most respected UFO researchers around. He is the one who broke the Roswell case in the late 1970s.http://www.openminds.tv/expert-challenges-review/

Monica, it was not well said at all. I believe that if aliens were visiting earth why would they be picking people with little to no intelligence?

well ............they took you didnt they.....that is if you are implying that i lack intelligence......... like i mentioned free speech............and actually i think jaguar made a good point......who carries a camera when they get abducted.............seeing as they usually take one from bed.......unless you are david bailey[even then i am not sure] why the hell would anyone take a camera too bed.........Aside from all that.......do you really think them up there are going to allow documented evidence to get out......doh.....as for proof....its happeneing to me....there are many on this site who have seen the pictures i have......of my scoops.....punctures etc........as for intelligence.......my iq 148.....my mothers is 159....but its not the logically part of the brain one needs because its such an illogical topic......where one has to think outside the box.......if you are as you say....and you had evidence that the government took.........why did you debunk my remark

JChris - Thanks. This is all I've been looking for. I'll bookmark the pages and comment back here when I've read over them.

well then you didnt look very hard did you.....................because i would have thought that roswell would have been the first place to look.........but i suspect that its not evidence you want........its ammunition.........unfortunatly i suspect the reason you will never really know anything because of your closed........and sorely lacking mind........shame on you...and absolutely no-one here is really bothered whether you believe or not..........enjoy

Skeptic47,You seem sort of out of place here, sort of like a heathen at a church revival. But, no matter. Glad to talk aliens with you.My suggestion is that you break this down, and cover the basics before we get into aliens. There are literally tens of thousands of reliable accounts, often from astronauts, pilots, and high-ranking military officials, about sightings of objects that defy current technology and understanding. Incredibally large objects, which can hover silently, and move at speeds that are impossible for modern aircraft, which defy our understand of physics. Read Leslie Kean's "Pilots, Generals,....." It could be real eye-opener for you, it was for me. It is coming out now in paperback.Now, once you are firmly convincened that something is in our skies that defies human description, you ask yourself, what is it? Once you go through the possibilities, extra-terrestrial visitation, or extra-dimensional visitation become strong probabilities. We call it the extra-terrestrial hypothesis. You say there is no evidence of this, which unless you are blinded, can't read, or can't understand language, is just not true. My suspicion is that you already had your mind made up and therefore don't "see" the evidence, or just haven't looked. 1. Read the scores of testimonials from Roswell. William Haut, Jessie Marcel, Glenn Dennis, and so many others.2. Read what astronauts Gordon Cooper (who witnessed UFOs) and Dr. Edgar Mitchell have to say about the subject.3. Read the accounts of other famous and well-documented cases. Read about the Ryndlesham Forest incident in 1980. Kecksberg, and so many other famous cases.4. Read the public information that has now become available from GB, NZ, and even the FBI "vault" site. 5. Visit sites like the "Disclosure Project", where liternally hundreds of former military and goverment officials, with knowledge are speaking out about the subject, and demanding that the goverment disclose what it knows. 6. Read the Barney and Betty Hill story, and then you can begin to appreciate what Monica and others are saying. How do you explain implacts? Scars that appear overnight? Study the Walton case. It is fancinating.7. Observe some of the photos and videos that have been recorded. Go back to the Trent photogragh in the 1950s, and work your way forward. Yes, some photos and videos have been faked, no way to avoid that. But, so many have been validated by experts. 8. Realize that UFOs have been reported for thousands of years. Ezekiel. Alexander the Great. Columbus. The list goes on and on.9. Finally, why not? Humans are less than a million years old. The universe is some 14.5 billion years old. The earth only 4.5 billion. Why in the vastness of space, with trillions upon trillions of stars, is it so hard to believe that civilizations could not have advanced so far as to travel through space? Speed of light limitations? Einstein himself granted that time/space could possibly by "bent' and left the possiblity of wormholes in his equations. I don't know HOW they are geting here, yet I know in my heart they are.It is okay to be a skeptic, but read the real evidence and decide for yourself. I feel like the evidence, contrary to what you said, is overwhelming.