You guys are falling for an old joke the GI's in 'Nam used. The deal is that they had the hard hitting M-14 in .308 which they adored. They then changed over to the varmint round .223 M-16 in the middle of the Vietnam War. The early jamming problems of the M-16 coupled with the new plastic stocks made the GI's joke and complain that this new M-16 rifle was nothing more than a toy put out by Mattel.

Originally Posted By chittybangbang:In 1977 is it true mattel the toy company made rifles for the military? My pal insist's thats what was marked on his rifle!!! I think he is nuts but lets hear about it!!!!!!!!!

Yep,

It is all true. I have one I got from space aliens. I use it to hunt bigfoot. I am going bigfoot hunting in a few weeks after I finish Loch Ness monster fishing.

Ever watch "The Green Berets" with the Duke. Take a look at the "M-16" he's handed when he climbs out of the wreckage of the observation tower with Captain Nim (George Takei). Also look closely at the "M-16" he smashes against the tree after Sergeant Kowalski (Mike Henry) is killed while walking point.

Originally Posted By chittybangbang:In 1977 is it true mattel the toy company made rifles for the military? My pal insist's thats what was marked on his rifle!!! I think he is nuts but lets hear about it!!!!!!!!!

Yep,

It is all true. I have one I got from space aliens. I use it to hunt bigfoot. I am going bigfoot hunting in a few weeks after I finish Loch Ness monster fishing.

Originally Posted By chittybangbang:In 1977 is it true mattel the toy company made rifles for the military? My pal insist's thats what was marked on his rifle!!! I think he is nuts but lets hear about it!!!!!!!!!

Yep,

It is all true. I have one I got from space aliens. I use it to hunt bigfoot. I am going bigfoot hunting in a few weeks after I finish Loch Ness monster fishing.

I'm going Boogey man hunting tonight.

Sounds fun,

To bad Mikey cant join you, he has not been the same since the Pop Rocks and Coke accident he had. Oh, I forgot, he died from that.

Originally Posted By chittybangbang:In 1977 is it true mattel the toy company made rifles for the military? My pal insist's thats what was marked on his rifle!!! I think he is nuts but lets hear about it!!!!!!!!!

Yep,

It is all true. I have one I got from space aliens. I use it to hunt bigfoot. I am going bigfoot hunting in a few weeks after I finish Loch Ness monster fishing.

Originally Posted By chittybangbang:In 1977 is it true mattel the toy company made rifles for the military? My pal insist's thats what was marked on his rifle!!! I think he is nuts but lets hear about it!!!!!!!!!

A subsidiary of mattel did the molding for the plastic stocks, grips and fore grips, but there was never the fabled MATTEL logo on any of the pieces.

Originally Posted By huntclubsec:A subsidiary of mattel did the molding for the plastic stocks, grips and fore grips, but there was never the fabled MATTEL logo on any of the pieces.

Ummmm....No they didn't. The M16 rifle has absolutely no connection to Mattel. There was even a scan of a letter from Mattel, posted either here or subguns.com, in response to a question ask of Mattel similar to this. They stated that the Mattel corp. never had anything to do with the production of any type of rifles _ever_.

Now lets go on to something meaningful, like talking about how the M16 was designed to use "tumbling" ammo to wound combatants.

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:Now lets go on to something meaningful, like talking about how the M16 was designed to use "tumbling" ammo to wound combatants.

Now if I'm not mistaken tumbling ammo to wound combatants would be questionably legal under the Geneva Accords? I know hollow point ammo is illeal in warfare, so is any ammo or weapon specifically designed to cause unnecessary wound or suffering....

Read all about it in a discussion of match grade sierra .308 (matchking)being used by snipers... Also 50BMG being used as anti-personnel weapon... similar idea methinks.to Clarify, .308matchking and 50BMG are legal to use against combattants, tumbling ammo probably not.

Not that anything in this thread was to be taken seriously though... I realize that tumbling ammo thing was a joke as well, but it was a rumor at one point.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally Posted By Ponyboy:Now lets go on to something meaningful, like talking about how the M16 was designed to use "tumbling" ammo to wound combatants.

One of my friends was telling me the same thing,(he did 2 tours in Viet Nam), and said, when he first got there his M16 jammed so much he requested the M14....got it. Was told that the .223 did more damage because it "tumbled".

His common sense reasoning was...if they "NVA", are shootin' 7.62, why were'nt we? He mentioned the "tumbling" aspect as the possible bs excuse to use the .223.

I have no idea WTF that means....except, the Viet Nam war was a clusterfuk through and through...I lost one of my cousins because some dumschitt 2nd Leut went into the wrong place at the wrong time. My cousin paid for that mistake.

Tumbling? How in the hell do you punch a perfect hole in a quarter at 100 yards then? Were they shootin' frozen Jello?

My .02 worth,Arab season (OPEN)

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