I am sick of this Republican math to win. How can this happen? Don't we live in a country where the person with the MOST votes wins. This is horrible and I am afraid that Democracy is Dead, Dead, Dead.

We lose the Presidential election even though we got more votes. Now we could lose the largest state even though we got the most votes.

but it is part of California's Constitution. The citizens of California at one time CHOSE to have this provision in their Constitution. Davis isn't actually running for anything so technically he gets no votes. This isn't some kind of legal trickery although it is, IMO, a violation of the spirit but not the letter of the recall provision. But don't worry , if arnold wins, things get worse and the repugs look like fools , if arnold loses, the repugs look like fools. It's a no win situation for them.

In my post , I wasn't HOPING that arnold fails, I just don't see how that goon can do anything but fail. He is a foolish man. If arnold wins the election and then fails it will be very bad for the people of california. I don't want anyone to suffer. I guess my point was that although this recall goes against everything I believe, it is legal in California and it is up to the people of California to resolve this issue. If they choose arnold and he fails, it's their own fault. I hope that the recall fails. If it does it will certainly make them less likely to happen in the future. I think that when the recall provision was added to the California constitution it was probably intended to be used as tool against corruption rather then a tool to undo just elections.

They've got legal teams working...going through state constitutions and other legal loopholes (witness Texas) to avoid having to directly face the voters. This is the latest...definitely not the last. While Nevada may have a recall, I think the fiasco and costs this one took will scare other states...especially those with GOOP governors to think twice about using this stunt again.

We have to be aware of these same "wormholes" that are costing us elections and the people their vote. Tain't gonna be easy when the whore media is gonna be so emboldened after they take credit for Gropinator's "victory".

should never have happened. The recall provision was not to recall a Gov just because you don't like him. The Arnold recall should be put in motion the minute he takes office, should he win and I pray to G-D, he DOESN'T!

The candidate on the second part of the ballot had to exceed the number of votes against the recall in the first part of the ballot. The way it is, Davis could easily 'win' and still lose - just like Gore in election 2000! The GOPers seem to be onto a trend here..!

11. The issue is moot since that's how the law has been for a century.

If nothing else perhaps this circus will encourage California to revisit the issue and redesign their recall laws. With the thirty prior recall attempts going nowhere they never before had to deal with the realities of what the legislature gave the state.

Saying how it could happen in Kansas but it would be much,much harder. First you'd have to come up with 40% of the total voters in the last election just to get a recall started--that would be a hell of a lot to get to sign up.

They mentioned that in California the number is around 12%. But...if Gov Groper gets elected the Repig powers to be will try and change those numbers so his ass can't be kicked out.

the primary legal block to these lawsuits before, from my understanding, was that there had been no actual harm and only prospective harm.

if there is actual harm, the Dems have a pretty good legal argument for unconstitutionality. well, they would if the courts weren't stacked with idiot partisans with no sense of justice.

the specific argument Davis advanced earlier, which he would almost certainly advance again, is that this is a violation of equal protection. Under the Supreme Court's cases, reaffirmed and extended in Bush v. Gore, all votes should count equally. Thus, the argument Davis would make, which I think is a good one, is that a yes vote on Davis counted less than a yes vote for Arnold, and therefore the recall law (which has never been challenged) is unconstitutional.

also, the Dems will immediately launch a recall initiative if Arnold or Tom wins. regardless of what the outcome is, you will see lawsuits (if the Dems win, there will of course be challenges to the vote accuracy, demands for recounts, etc. all the dirty tricks the GOP has in its arsenal).

i think Davis will beat the recall. incidentally, bodog.com has Davis at +200 right now (bet 100, win 200) to beat the recall, and bustamante at 5-2. i think both are great futures bets.

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