On 8/01/2010 Wendy wrote:>You might find evan in some of those. I get the feeling despite the beer>and sausage, the frankenjura maybe too bolted and too populated for him.

You under-estimate the power of beer goggles. Who hasn't woken up after a hard night on
the piss half way up a sport route? Who hasn't felt soiled, used and nauseous? Retreated
off the climb with some awkward excuse about their mom's birthday and run back to a long
long shower that still doesn't make you feel clean?

On 8/01/2010 egosan wrote:>On 8/01/2010 Wendy wrote:>>You might find evan in some of those. I get the feeling despite the>beer>>and sausage, the frankenjura maybe too bolted and too populated for him.>>You under-estimate the power of beer goggles. Who hasn't woken up after>a hard night on >the piss half way up a sport route? Who hasn't felt soiled, used and nauseous?> Retreated >off the climb with some awkward excuse about their mom's birthday and>run back to a long >long shower that still doesn't make you feel clean?

On 8/01/2010 evanbb wrote:>On 8/01/2010 Wendy wrote:>>Surely there are too many people in that last picture?>>Absolutely, but I suspect that none of those people will be more than>half a rope length off the ground all day.

You might be surprised. I've been on relatively crowded 10-20 pitch trad routes in the alps.

There are 11 people (besides anthony) in this photo - it's a 400m mixed cliff in switzerland.
There are 2 parties on our arses on this 17 pitch 18 - on a wall with a dozen similar grade routes to chose from.
there are 7 people besides anthony on the last pitch of the Aiguille Dibona, 3140ish metres here. I was literally running to keep in front of everyone on all of these days.

Surely more interesting is where are people actually planning on going to? I (well we really) can't decide between a loop of the mediteranean - turkey, kalymnos, croatia, sardinia (or not after consultation with eduardo!), corsica, maybe southern france again because I love it and spain, (made extra appealing by Esther living in europe now) or a road trip of southern US and Mexico (which became slightly less appealing when my brother moved from California to Washington last week). Although I may be planning a trip to indian creek purely on the theory that I will have no need of my bung finger there. We have got a flying trip to Thailand booked in, but as that's only 2 1/2 weeks, that doesn't really class as a big trip.

On 8/01/2010 evanbb wrote:>On 8/01/2010 Wendy wrote:>>You might be surprised. I've been on relatively crowded 10-20 pitch trad>>routes in the alps.>>And so, Tassie's looking the goods again... There's acres of new routes>to be had there. There's only about 6 routes up the Acropolis for example,>and look at the bloody thing:
That's because, unlike this hut, they don't serve red wine and chocolate brownies there.