I have non sport/power seats and the ride/seat is great. In the real world daily driving the car feels quick and when I toss it around it seems steady with no body roll. The sport seats seemed too large for me and the wife because we are short and they pushed up where our knees should bend. The sport seats do look better. Also the non sport seat is bolstered so I don't move around when turning.

lol how tall are most of you guys? I'm pretty short myself, thats another thing I love about the 135i, the size makes it so nimble and I dont feel like I'm going into tight spaces all the time like in a SUV.

Car and Driver recommends forgoing the sport package unless you live in a city with good streets. I live in Detroit, and I have seen people fishing in our potholes. I would not drive a BMW with a sport suspension here because I like my kidneys, and plan on keeping them.

On the other hand, the non-sport seats have all the holding power of a wet park bench. They are wretched on a scale never before seen in a BMW.

Your best bet if you live in a potholed area is to save the $ you would otherwise have spent on the sport package and get a decent pair of aftermarket seats, or even some replacement OEM sport seats.

Car and Driver recommends forgoing the sport package unless you live in a city with good streets. I live in Detroit, and I have seen people fishing in our potholes. I would not drive a BMW with a sport suspension here because I like my kidneys, and plan on keeping them.

The OP is referring to the 135i which has the same suspension for both ZSP and non SP versions. The primary difference is the seats.

And my ZSP equipped 128i now rides quite comfortably on our terrible DC area streets since I switched to Conti DWS tires. But as always, it is a choice between ride comfort and handling crispness.

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On the other hand, the non-sport seats have all the holding power of a wet park bench. They are wretched on a scale never before seen in a BMW.
Also they suck.

Car and Driver recommends forgoing the sport package unless you live in a city with good streets. I live in Detroit, and I have seen people fishing in our potholes. I would not drive a BMW with a sport suspension here because I like my kidneys, and plan on keeping them.

On the other hand, the non-sport seats have all the holding power of a wet park bench. They are wretched on a scale never before seen in a BMW.

Your best bet if you live in a potholed area is to save the $ you would otherwise have spent on the sport package and get a decent pair of aftermarket seats, or even some replacement OEM sport seats.

The non-sport seats are just that bad.

Also they suck.

I happen to have non sport seats in my car because I did not want to order a car and wait, and ended up buying the only 6-mt car in the region at the time. Though I admit I like the sport seats better and I am currently considering upgrading just the seats, I can assure you that they are not as bad as you're making them sound. I don't find myself sliding around, and unless you're an anorexic 50 lb person, I don't think you'd be sliding around either. Yes the extra support would be great, but saying they are "that bad" or that "they suck" is simply subjective on your part.

...I can assure you that they are not as bad as you're making them sound. I don't find myself sliding around, and unless you're an anorexic 50 lb person, I don't think you'd be sliding around either. Yes the extra support would be great, but saying they are "that bad" or that "they suck" is simply subjective on your part.

I go 6 ft, 210 lbs. I slide like a third-grader in those seats.

Perhaps my 'wet park bench' analogy was improper...I'll admit.

It's more akin to sitting on a wooden church pew covered in bacon grease.

BTW, unless you have some sort of scientific seat measurometer, isn't it pretty much the whole point of asking questions on this board to get...a subjective answer?

It's more akin to sitting on a wooden church pew covered in bacon grease.

BTW, unless you have some sort of scientific seat measurometer, isn't it pretty much the whole point of asking questions on this board to get...a subjective answer?

Man I couldn't care less about your analogies/opinions since I get to experience the same seats first hand...and yes most forums are opinion based. I guess instead of addressing your opinion directly, I should have just stated my opinion about your opinion being misleading instead

Here's another opinion for you including some scientific concepts since you seem to be so fond of them: I think the reason you're sliding around so much could be a result of not enough force pegging you to the seat due to a weaker engine. So in my opinion, I think you should have purchased a 135 instead, in order to amplify the Newtonian law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" which would equate to you against the seat as well as the seat against you

So in my opinion, I think you should have purchased a 135 instead, in order to amplify the Newtonian law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" which would equate to you against the seat as well as the seat against you

I've always preferred: "For every action, there is an equal an opposite...criticism."

I gotta say, though...that's about the only thing I don't like about the vehicle, but I really hate those seats. Okay, that and the Air Force Orange dash lighting...but I digress.

I've had 3-series cars with and without sport seats. Would never buy another without the sport seats. My upcoming 128 'vert has premium, sport and cold-weather packages (buying a slightly-used 2010).

As for the sport suspension - if it's too stiff for you, ditch the run-flats and buy real tires. The softer sidewall in non-RF's will compensate some for the tighter sport suspension. If you're worried about a flat, buy an M Mobility kit (basically a can of Fix-a-Flat and a 12v air compressor) and throw it in the trunk. It should tell you something about RFT's that BMW doesn't put them on the M3.