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Comment by Nateman

As a cat im sort of upset about this. Shred being our main attack, this means that we have to mangle 3 times In the beginning of a fight, and once every 30 seconds. I'm wondering why they didn't include shred also. This of course isn't the first time Blizzard has made us mangle while we want to shred.

Comment by phadde93

I'm confused, this is the set bonus for the Tanking gear. Mistype Mangle(Cat) ---> Mangle(Bear)?

Comment by Brasso

Absolutely terrible 4p bonus for cats. A 3% AP bonus that requires you to use Mangle when you don't have to? For shame.

Comment by Barandis

I don't think that you can back up your "absolutely terrible" assertion with any numbers.

Just a quick bit of napkin math...my raid-buffed AP is in the 20k neighborhood. That means this buff is worth about 600 AP for me. According to Mew, that 600 AP adds about 589 DPS with my gear.

I do not have a Mangle-bot, so I regularly use Mangle once every 60 seconds. Using 4T11 would mean an extra Mangle every minute, plus two extra at the beginning to stack the buff to 3. Over the course of a 5-minute fight, this means 7 extra Mangles.

This is an energy savings of 35 over 7 Shreds. So you use 7 extra Mangles, but you only lose 6.125 Shreds.

World of Logs tells me that my Shred hits for an average of 21,900 damage, while my Mangle hits for 12,877 damage. Losing 6.125 Shreds for 7 Mangles thus adds up to a damage loss of 43,998, or about 147 DPS.

So the net gain is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 442 DPS. This will be greater on a longer fight and less on a shorter fight. If you are lucky enough to have a Mangle-bot (many of us in 10's do not), the DPS gain drops to about 338 DPS on a 5 minute fight using the same calculation method (using 12 extra Mangles and losing 10.5 Shreds).

Having Potion of the Tol'vir up for 50 seconds (pre-potting one) over the same 5 minutes is a gain of, on average, 552 DPS in the same gear. Pre-potting PotT is considered essential. If a 552 DPS gain is essential, then a 442 DPS gain is not absolutely terrible.

Comment by Shoddythetroll

You lose the buff if you shapeshift into other forms including going back to caster form.