Blackbolt tore this thread apart. Not just the thread itself, but his responses kicked the **** out of everyone who tried to argue with him. Fairly impressive.

Thanks my man, I was taking lot of abuse, but I ate it all and asked for seconds. People just need to listen to the mediots but after that, THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Jeremiah's on right now trying to save face.

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I'm going to reiterate what I said at the beginning of this thread. I never saw a top 5 pick in Floyd yet he was a consensus top 5 player on most boards published through the media.

I think he went in the area he should have, and as I said earlier, he should have gone after both Richardson and Lotulelei. My DT rankings were actually spot on, although I still think Richardson should have gone a lot higher

Ok, so then why are you making this thread and questioning why Oakland would take Floyd high? Afterall, "who are you to say exactly why they were drafted?" right?

I didn't say it was optional. I'm saying that a DT who gets paid a lot of money, or is drafted high has to be more than just a run stopper. They have to be exceptional pass rushers. Being a great run stuffer and a decent pass rusher is not valuable enough to go very high in the draft or fork over a huge contract to.

And that is my opinion. I'm not saying that's how it is, but that's how it should be. Dareus is a good player but was he a better pick than Aldon Smith would have been? No way. Why? Bc Smith rushes the passer and Dareus doesn't. It was a poor selection that high because he doesn't provide enough impact as a pass rusher.

And why do you think Floyd doesn't? Floyd isn't weak vs the run. You don't have to be a Haoliti Ngata like run stopper, but you do need to be a Geno Atkins type of pass rusher to warrant a large investment at DT.

And that's why Floyd is rated higher than Star. Bc it's more valuable to have a Geno Atkins than a Haloti Ngata. It's really that simple.

You know what is even more simple? I was right and you were wrong in every conceivable manner, so peace out.

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Did you read my sig? Shouldn't be a surprise. I am rarely wrong and that's just me being honest.

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I'm going to reiterate what I said at the beginning of this thread. I never saw a top 5 pick in Floyd yet he was a consensus top 5 player on most boards published through the media.

I think he went in the area he should have, and as I said earlier, he should have gone after both Richardson and Lotulelei. My DT rankings were actually spot on, although I still think Richardson should have gone a lot higher

Floyd went in the area he should've and if I were Minnesota I would've taken Williams before him.

I'm going to reiterate what I said at the beginning of this thread. I never saw a top 5 pick in Floyd yet he was a consensus top 5 player on most boards published through the media.

I think he went in the area he should have, and as I said earlier, he should have gone after both Richardson and Lotulelei. My DT rankings were actually spot on, although I still think Richardson should have gone a lot higher

More proof these draft mediots follow the "monkey see, monkey mock" philosophy. I know Shane doesn't want to believe it, but it's true. That's what I like about Scott, he is his own man with his own thoughts.

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__________________Kaepernick is this years pat white. Thin, gimmick offense and doesn't possess an nfl arm. The ncaa constantly regurgitates clones of past players and amazingly enough, tricks some people into thinking they're better than their cloned half. Kaepernick was a complete waste of a senior bowl qb spot. A better qb will come from the east/west shrine or whatever they're calling it now...count on it

LOL at NFLN right now! All of a sudden, he fell because he has short arms, low production, a weak upper body, he doesn't get off blocks, etc. All stuff that was KNOWN. Great job, Jeremiah! "See, what had happened was...."

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I had Floyd and Williams pretty close, I think Floyd can be a more explosive player and probably has a higher upside. I actually like both fits with Floyd in Minnesota and Williams in Denver

But Williams is stouter against the run.

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These no name mofos are popping up like weeds. After his first season as a draft analyst, Jeremiah's grade is idiot.

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Good call. I was never as impassioned about it as you (I wasn't defending my team against people mocking him to us) but I remember a thread about Floyd a few months ago when all his hype was ramping up. I just didn't see it, I tried to, but just saw a pretty good 4-3 UT that disappointed at the Combine. He'll probably fit well on his new team and went about where I would've expected.

I love it when people jump all over prognosticators for being dead wrong on a prospect even if they get another 28 pretty well dead on.
The Mayock's Brandt's Jerimiah's and others who predict rankings are never perfect but neither are scouts or GM's, but if I had to measure their track record against anybody on this site, I'm pretty sure we would all end up as being pretty mundane with our results.
First, let's wait to see what type of a career Floyd actually has before patting ourselves on the back, after that we can discuss if we/Jerimiah were right or wrong.

I love it when people jump all over prognosticators for being dead wrong on a prospect even if they get another 28 pretty well dead on.
The Mayock's Brandt's Jerimiah's and others who predict rankings are never perfect but neither are scouts or GM's, but if I had to measure their track record against anybody on this site, I'm pretty sure we would all end up as being pretty mundane with our results.
First, let's wait to see what type of a career Floyd actually has before patting ourselves on the back, after that we can discuss if we/Jerimiah were right or wrong.

The issue isn't so much that he got it wrong, but that he said it with such certainty and he said it in a way that made it sound like ALL 32 teams had evaluators tell him Floyd was a top 5 pick. For him to say that and then go 23rd is a huge pie in the face. I am really shocked that him and Mayock were right about Pugh going where he did though, did not see that coming.

The issue isn't so much that he got it wrong, but that he said it with such certainty and he said it in a way that made it sound like ALL 32 teams had evaluators tell him Floyd was a top 5 pick. For him to say that and then go 23rd is a huge pie in the face. I am really shocked that him and Mayock were right about Pugh going where he did though, did not see that coming.

Thank you. I have said this several times as clearly as a possibly could. That and the fact that Jeremiah clearly lead the charge for Floyd, so much so that he influenced other mockers. I just never bought it. I guess he was right, we did draft a DT- Stacy McGee with our comp pick at the end of the 6th round!

__________________Kaepernick is this years pat white. Thin, gimmick offense and doesn't possess an nfl arm. The ncaa constantly regurgitates clones of past players and amazingly enough, tricks some people into thinking they're better than their cloned half. Kaepernick was a complete waste of a senior bowl qb spot. A better qb will come from the east/west shrine or whatever they're calling it now...count on it