Yes I am aware of that. But analyzing color rendition with the tools of the trade may help understanding some of the issues. I'm very much aware that human vision system can recognize several million colors and the color checker has just 24, but if you cannot reproduce those 24 you won't be able to reproduce the remaining million colors either.

I'd also say that the CC tells us how much each raw converter oversaturates on each camera.

The over saturation is intentional. Correct reproduction of color is boring. So it is quite normal that both saturation and midtones are pushed a bit when rendering raw files. I'm a bit surprised that color saturation differs between Hasselblad and Nikon so much in LR, I would expected saturation to be the same.

As far as I understand you are doing a lot repro work, and I presume that keeping colors correct is important for your work. I assume that you use different saturation settings on repro and landscape?

I was referring to the monologue about how the photographer says he does everything to see if he can break a camera and that he could not breakor get a Phase One to freeze or fail. We all know the DF has issues. But for Yaya's sake I'll be more precise in the future.

I'd file that video under Fiction along with quite a few others from Phase One.

The video shows a Phase One guy shooting moving action with strobe and WIDE OPENwith fast focus. Yet the very manual of that cameras states that you need to shoot at f8 in order to achieve focuswith fast focus.

From page 99 of the pdf manual.

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C-19 AF Priority [AF_2]Accuracy of auto-focusing priority (default setting) or speed priority can bedecided.0: Speed(Aperture to f/ 8 is recommended when using this function.)[/quore]

The claims of faster focusing are somewhat over rated.buried deep in the manual it states that the faster focusing setting is only accurate enough at f8 or more.No mention of that in there video plugging their new focusing.

I was referring to the monologue about how the photographer says he does everything to see if he can break a camera and that he could not breakor get a Phase One to freeze or fail. We all know the DF has issues. But for Yaya's sake I'll be more precise in the future.

I'd file that video under Fiction along with quite a few others from Phase One.

The video shows a Phase One guy shooting moving action with strobe and WIDE OPENwith fast focus. Yet the very manual of that cameras states that you need to shoot at f8 in order to achieve focuswith fast focus.

From page 99 of the pdf manual.

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C-19 AF Priority [AF_2]Accuracy of auto-focusing priority (default setting) or speed priority can bedecided.0: Speed(Aperture to f/ 8 is recommended when using this function.)[/quore]

The claims of faster focusing are somewhat over rated.buried deep in the manual it states that the faster focusing setting is only accurate enough at f8 or more.No mention of that in there video plugging their new focusing.

I was referring to the monologue about how the photographer says he does everything to see if he can break a camera and that he could not breakor get a Phase One to freeze or fail. We all know the DF has issues. But for Yaya's sake I'll be more precise in the future.

I'd file that video under Fiction along with quite a few others from Phase One.

FWIW BC shoots Contax and in the video he talks about his Phase backs. But as usual you found a way to turn it around...Where would you file your Tamrac video?

While you claim your camera is not an SLR, the manufacturer says it is......

Not quite... better to say "tad muddy waters" ... Admittedly Hy6, Hassy H, Mamiya DF are all SLR type cameras but not quite SLRs... by same Wikipedia "A single-lens reflex (SLR) camera is a camera that typically uses a mirror and prism system (hence "reflex", from the mirror's reflection) that permits the photographer to view through the lens and hence see exactly what will be captured". By that definition, with WLF gets muddier... but still SLR type... though not an SLR...

More common used the term refers to a mirror prism camera by the 35mm system, and a DSLR refers to such digital version. No idea what then the Sony A99 should accurate be called to confuse ..., and water gets muddier or clearer with the Leica S and Mamiya ZD camera which are DSLR form factor but larger formats.

Isnip......I'd file that video under Fiction along with quite a few others from Phase One......snip

Whoa Fred.

Your pulling on a rope and I don't think you know what it's tied to.

I don't know you and your motives may be pure, might not, but I made mine very clear.

For the record, Phase and prior to that Leaf (when I had an Aptus) never asked, insinuated, implied, made mention of me saying anything false . . . ever.

In fact they we're very clear that what they wanted was the user experience and I think that's what I said then and now.

Once again, for the record the reason I didn't like Phase's video was I wanted a day for myself and our crew to rest and feel a little better as we came off of a lot of weeks of 18 hour days and I know I couldn't think straight, I doubt if anyone else could either. Everyone wants to make the best presentation in public.

Regardless no one asked me to use a Phase/Mamiya body and knew what camera bodies I used.

In regards to tethering c1 has been the gold standard for a long time. V3 was so solid that we could set it up, capturing to either two drives or a raid 5 and just leave it alone. Honestly, the only time we touched it was to change the naming.

V4 was new had some issues but were fixed, v5 bullet proof again.

I've found in our case if we want to tether without issue we use clean computers, clean drives and prepare the cameras accordingly with polishing the contacts, making sure all batteries are fresh and new, etc. etc.

People I know that routinely have issues with tethering of any brand usually have some other issues (see my sentence above) and/or don't really know the systems they use.

Actually, if you want to know anything about Mamiya, Phase or Leaf, just ask Yair. I've known him for 8 years, sometimes we've agreed, sometimes we've both strongly disagreed, but Yair is well respected in the industry on both sides of the Atlantic and will not tell you anything but the truth as he knows it and he knows a lot.

As a side note, I actually don't think that equipment matters that much. My view is simply that most equipment is good enough.

Yes, virtually all of the equipment we discuss here is more than good enough, dependent on purpose. However I do believe equipment choice is crucial to the individual. Most photographers using MFD do so out of choice rather than necessity.

My own choices are naturally based on my own preferences, namely the form factor, the format - 4:3, I hate shooting one format and cropping to another - the viewfinders, the simplicity - an almost analogue experience - and of course the quality of the files. I've no doubt the D800 is an accomplished camera and I make no claims of superiority for my own equipment. This isn't a competition, although at times one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

Not quite... better to say "tad muddy waters" ... Admittedly Hy6, Hassy H, Mamiya DF are all SLR type cameras but not quite SLRs... by same Wikipedia "A single-lens reflex (SLR) camera is a camera that typically uses a mirror and prism system (hence "reflex", from the mirror's reflection) that permits the photographer to view through the lens and hence see exactly what will be captured". By that definition, with WLF gets muddier... but still SLR type... though not an SLR...

More common used the term refers to a mirror prism camera by the 35mm system, and a DSLR refers to such digital version. No idea what then the Sony A99 should accurate be called to confuse ..., and water gets muddier or clearer with the Leica S and Mamiya ZD camera which are DSLR form factor but larger formats.

This is really getting funny.....The manufacturer calls the Hy6 an SLR, but you think you know better. It doesn't get more childish than that.

What I intended to say is more that what is in front, beneath and behind the camera matters more than the camera itself.

Another observation is that it seems that smaller format cameras are considered OK for serious work. The micro 4/3 system gets a lot of respect those day, respect the original 4/3 system never got. I guess that respect comes from the micro 4/3 being smaller but also from sensor improvements.

A couple of years ago, Michael Reichmann compared a Canon G10 with a P45+ back on Hasselblad. He presented the picture in Super A3 size to seasoned experts in imaging and they could by and large not tell the images apart. To me that indicates that the G10 was good enough. Sometimes I shoot with my Sony RX100, sometimes with my Alpha 77 SLT and sometimes with Alpha 900. Whatever I shoot I'm pretty confident the images will be OK.

What I have found is that for street shooting I use the Alpha 77 SLT. It's pretty small and so is the 16-80/3.5-4.5 lens. The Alpha 900 with the 24-70/2.8 zoom is much more intimidating. For telephoto work a small sensor pitch camera may be preferable and I more often than not use live view at 1:1 for focusing.

Obviously, I would not use the RX100 for long range tele photo work, nor does it have an ultra wide angle, but when the other cameras are not at hand it does a decent job.

Yes, virtually all of the equipment we discuss here is more than good enough, dependent on purpose. However I do believe equipment choice is crucial to the individual. Most photographers using MFD do so out of choice rather than necessity.

My own choices are naturally based on my own preferences, namely the form factor, the format - 4:3, I hate shooting one format and cropping to another - the viewfinders, the simplicity - an almost analogue experience - and of course the quality of the files. I've no doubt the D800 is an accomplished camera and I make no claims of superiority for my own equipment. This isn't a competition, although at times one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

A couple of years ago, Michael Reichmann compared a Canon G10 with a P45+ back on Hasselblad. He presented the picture in Super A3 size to seasoned experts in imaging and they could by and large not tell the images apart.

A couple of years ago, Michael Reichmann compared a Canon G10 with a P45+ back on Hasselblad. He presented the picture in Super A3 size to seasoned experts in imaging and they could by and large not tell the images apart.