Thursday, 15 April 2010

Rudd's "Abology"

You know of course that the Oz PM Kevin (“Cave-in”) Rudd took some time off from arranging mass immigration of non-whites to make a heartfelt apology to his ‘Aboriginal fellow countrymen’. .In a speech to Parliament he almost wept saying "for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry." Mr Rudd said he apologised "especially" to the Stolen Generations of young Aboriginal children who were taken from their parents in a policy of assimilation which lasted from the 19th Century to the late 1960s..According to the BBC “Mr Rudd received a standing ovation from MPs and onlookers in parliament, and cheers from the thousands of Australians watching outside.”

Now I've always been a bit confused by this because, as a dedicated cultural relativist, I always assumed that all cultures were equal. How then did the Stolen Generation suffer so much?

So I decided to spend some time researching the issue to determine just how much those kids suffered. After all, if the PM apologised in such profuse terms, they must have suffered a lot, right?

My main direct source was a book by Lloyd de Mause entitled The Origins of War in Child Abuse. This drew heavily on the work of leading anthropologists who studied the aboriginal culture and he quotes extensively from them.

I read early on that “the early infanticidal childrearing mode of Australian Aboriginals has been arguably the most abusive and neglectful of all tribal cultures”.

My goodness! Who could have imagined?

But surely it can’t be worse than what these innocents suffered under white adoption?

Well, I’ll let you be the judge.

According to the anthropologists who studied them (and who are highly complimentary to their, eh, culture) the Abos had some unusual proclivities. This from Roheim “the children who watched their mothers killing or eating babies suddenly avoided their parents, shrieked in their presence, or expressed unusual fear of them…recounting dreams about animal-man beings with the faces of parents smeared with blood. The fears and dreams get stored in their inner alters as time bombs to be exploded later in life."

Gee! I can't for the life of me imagine why.

Describing it as “a quite favourable picture”, Roheim tells us of “the custom of raping Aboriginal children, eating every second child and making the older children also eat them. Mothers regularly forced their children to eat their newborn siblings in the belief that the strength of the first child would be doubled by such a procedure. Sometimes the fetus would be pulled out by the head, roasted and eaten by the mother and the children and sometimes a big boy would be killed by the father by being beaten on the head and given to the mother to eat”

Ok, so the unfortunate victims being reared by their white kidnappers missed out on some tasty baby food. But still, couldn't it have been somewhat upsetting for them to experience this, especially knowing that they themselves might be on tomorrow’s menu?

And not just tasty food. They also missed out on some kinky sex while in white captivity. Such as “the constant masturbation by mother of her children’s penis and vagina while she lies on top of them, twisting and pinching them as we saw was the practice in New Guinea.”

Apparently anthropologists report routine “incessant fondling of infants, masturbation by mothers kissing the boy’s penis, women passing baby boys back and forth over their heads, taking turns sucking the penis, lying on sons in the male position and freely masturbating them at night.”

But don't worry – these experts assure us that these practices are fine. In fact they’re “nurturant”.

And it wasn’t just the boys who missed out. “The mutilation of young girls’ vaginas is also practiced by the Aboriginals, in which old men roll emu feathers with a loop of hair. This device is put into the vagina and then removed, pulling away a large part of the womb. The rest of the womb is then cut horizontally and vertically with a stone knife. When this wound is healed, the girl is then circumcised and made to have intercourse with many young men. The mix of blood and semen is collected and given to frail tribesmen as a fortifying elixir.”

Just in case you think there’s anything wrong with this (have you not heard of cultural relativism, where all cultures are equal?) we have renowned experts like the (in)famous Kinsey and Pomeroy, and indeed the even more (in)famous Margaret Meade to reassure us that “incest between adults and younger children can be satisfying and enriching.”

Well, if they said it, that’s good enough for me. And just in case we get the wrong idea, we’re admonished in closing that “the origins of the very violent personalities of Aboriginals are, of course, in no way caused by genetic differences, only developmental.”

But of course!! My goodness, how could we even consider such a possibility?

Tsk, tsk... Doesn't everyone know that all cultures are equal and evenly balanced in the Great PeeCee Circle of Life? Surely no one will dispute the fact that a mud and stick hovel is no different than a majestic Gothic cathedral?

Truly disgusting stuff. You strike me as a reasonable fellow, Savant, so I hope your research is accurate.

One of the very FEW Western leaders I had any respect for was John Howard, the former Aussie PM. I could not possibly imagine a potential UK leader having anything like the balls he had in dealing with so-called asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, for example.

I utterly reject the bullshit notion that all cultures are equal. However, I'm no cultural supremacist; I pick and choose those aspects of different cultures that I think are closest to Christian norms and civilisation, such as the West has enjoyed for a good long time, though quite foolishly, in my opinion, are now discarding at a rate of knots.

Therefore, with regards to Western society,I REJECT the abandonment of effective law-and-order (capital punishment, birching etc.), the normalisation of homosexuality (no excuse for gay-bashing), multiculturalism, lack of respect for elders, indulgence of the whims of children etc.

In other words, there is much in non-Western cultures that I approve of - but that is mostly, as far as I'm concerned, because the West has abandoned much of the Christian-Judeo legacy that was bequeathed to it.

University of New Orleans Finance Professor Ed Miller wrote a number of excellent papers on intelligence in the 90's. His paper on the role of myelination (which coats the neurons) and processing speed has been recently supported by the research of UCLA neuroscientist Paul Thompson.

Krokodil: The research is as reliable to the extent that anthropologists are relaible. Bear in mind gthat these people were justifying and even approving the behaviour, so they weren't going to make it worse than it was.

"West of Cooktown, Chinese were roasted in clay white-ant ovens, “smelling and looking exactly like roast pork, even the yellow skin crinkled like that of pork … they have declined to eat white men who were tobacco eaters … the blacks suspected the flesh of being poisoned, knowing the odor was not that of clean, healthy human flesh.” In Castletown, 1895, another report stated, “Once I asked Joci what he liked best to eat. He replied – Talgoro (human flesh)…”

One of the most celebrated debunkers of the 'myth' of abo cannibalism was Richard Buchhorn, a former Catholic priest. He is quoted by all the deniars as having 'conclusively discredited such claims'.

But in fact, and i have looked into this in detail, all the deniers are just quoting and referencing one another. So Walsh will say Buckhorn proves it's not true, while Bukchorn says 'Walsh proves it's not true' and they all go around in a circle.

In fact I've been unable to find anything from any of the deniers to 'debunk' these facts. All they do is shoot the messenger and quote one another to the effect that X has debunked these allegations. But when you check out X you find that he's quoting someone else etc. (I know I'm repeating myself here!!)

This is worse than anything I've ever heard. Now, Savant, I know you're a reasonable man but I can't believe any "culture" could normalize this kind of behavior on a wide scale. We should have heard about this before if for no other reason than the sheer novelty of it all.

Several commentators have doubted the veracity of this post. I go back to what I said, that this is based on peer-reviewed research by anthropologists and that those people were SUPPORTIVE of the abo customs. There are multiple sources which also show clear similarities with practices in New Guinea.

Why haven't you heard of it? Well, don't underestimate what we're up against in that the MSM, academia and all our leaders resolutely suppress such things.

Also consider the debunkers. As someoneelse on this thread mentioned, they don't do detailed refutation, they just abuse the messenger.

What would be wonderful would if if this could open up a discussion on the MSM in Australia. In that regard if our readers in OZ could hep it'd be great.

This sort of thing happens in Africa too. See above link. I wonder what the PC crowd over at Gombeen Nation think of it. Those arrogant PC gobshites need to be taken down a peg or too. Why don't you take them on in debate Savant.

One black kid is killed and we Irish are all racist redneck subhumans who need immigration to enrich our culture. All the Irish get blamed for one killing but if we were to blame all blacks for one blackmans murder of an Irish person we'd be racist.

Very useful links from teacher paris here. Just shows what's been kept from the general population and how effective the cover-up has been.

@free mind, I agree with you totally. Re Gombeen Man, I'd be well known there and they wouldn't publish me. I suggest you make a comment and include the link to the current post. Just might get a debate going.

Fuck the memory of Franz Boas and Margaret Meade and whet their legacy has brought for the modern world. Arrrgh!

As for those who doubt our dear Savant's sources, you suffer a side-effect of the affliction of political correctness, wherein habits too horrible to contemplate are wished away or simply not believed. Much like many modern lefties cannot believe migrants from poor countries are not here necessarily to enrich us, but to steal their shit and plunge into the "freedoms" of the Western World, caring nothing of the social contract that brought all the cargo about, because they can't imagine thinking like that themselves. A sort of a cultural relativism with a twist, if you will - a comforting belief that even if all cultures are not equal, no cultures that could do something so cruel an inhuman Savant describes surely must not exist or have existed!

Guys, read up on modern Darfur or what the missionaries found when they met some of the last hunter gatherer tribes in Guinea. All the horror is true, and in parts of Africa, much of what Savant describes is still regular day to day life!

That's actually what people mean when they explain some immigrant groups who can't integrate into western life as being "traumatized by war" or such, and they shouldn't for this reason be judged harshly, when in stark truth, many ethnic groups are indeed traumatized but not by some vague war...

They are traumatized forever simply by their childhood and life in general - not caused by "imperialism" or white people taking their resources mind you - but how dysfunctional, inhuman and cruel family and social life in these societies in general is.

But it's not your fault, we've been taught the myth of the noble savage since most of us were mere children. It takes quite the mental feat to wrench your head away from the indoctrination, even when you don't believe in that crap anymore you still fall back to it upon encountering something from beyond the pale.

As for the sources, here are a few of the hundreds used to write the papers in question:

Some of those who commented seem surprised about the extreme cruelty found within the proud Abo culture, but bear in mind their habits were none the worse from many other primitive cultures and in no manner limited or special to Australian indigenous population.

(However when you ignore the noble savage myth or modern white guilt and instead delve into the psychohistory of primitive or young societies you can suddenly understand why many Aussies and NZ's did defend what is practically wiping out indigenous people even as late as in the 70s or 80s, saying that the abos, the maoris or the tasmanians were cruel, evil and warlike people who had to go, I mean, I would have been horrified with cannibals who eat their own children as well.)

It is true the Australian whites took a terrible toll on the indigenous blackfellow population.

And that white colonists killed the Tasmanians to a man.

But then again, the Polynesian Maori people of NZ were genocidal killers who wiped out entire populations from weaker islands.

To the North in Papua New Guinea, cannibalism, head hunting, serial rape of children, infanticide and perpetual warfare were a way of life mere decades ago.

And judging from the vibrant and exciting atmosphere of Port Moresby today, still is.

Missionaries and explorers found out the tribes, like most cultures with limited technology, were extremely xenophobic to a man and treated neighbouring tribes with extreme suspicion, explaining how the next tribe was degenerate, reprehensibly evil, alien and should be avoided as they would molest your women and kill your men on sight (as they, of course, would) - whilst the western interlopers could hardly distinguish their ways from each other.

What am saying is that not killing off every other population that has any resources you want and is weak enough to destroy, and not living in a culture that is extremely cruel and violent to the point of appearing utterly evil and almost alien from our point of view is a very new idea, conceived and practiced by... the white man (some 60% of the total deaths in a primitive culture result from violence).

As much as it hurts the politically correct cultural relativists to admit. In fact of the genocides committed during the last few centuries, the evil white man plays not the only or even major part, even taking to count the horrors of World War 2 and Stalin's purges.

And in the end, when the cultural relativists and multiculturalists say all cultures are equal and should be understood and respected for their vibrant customs through their own moral perspectives, why then, it must mean the imperialistic and colonial past of Europe and white man since the 15th century, including practically annihilating the indigenous populations of two whole continents, were just typical cultural expressions of the times!

@Savant 17.48This is the response I got when I posted on Gombeen's site and mentioned a number of murders of whites by ethnic minorities like Kriss Donald and Mary Ann Leneghan."As a London resident I can confirm that crime in Pecham and Brixton is not higher than the white low wages areas of London. The black people here who prone to crime have no other choice. This is the consequence of the huge gap between rich and poor. It's survival and not ignorance. When I was studying in the university the number of colored students was amazing. See, they do everything possible to escape from poverty and misery. On the other hand, the what so called "chavs" can kill you just for nothing, just for fun because they have nothing better to do in their lives and you know this.

As a London resident I can confirm also that crime in London is not as bad as the Media describe it, of course not worse than Dublin. It is well understandable that the media promote this "safety hysteria" in order to make the obsessed by law and security. Undoubtedly most of the times the colored people will have to be used as a scapegoat. No I am not black or anything like that. I am very white with blond hair and honey eyes married to an English girl, but it doesn't matter as long as you are able to discover more than the world of media, as long as you are able to see further than your mobile, your Saturday night dressing..."What do you think of it. He seems to have different standards for white "chavs" than minorities. You could call him a reverse racist and he is obviously more "informed" than me. So every killing reported in the media is to promote "safety hysteria". Glad to know that.

I haven't posted the link about the cannibalism in the Congo. They would want to give asylum to the Pygmies here in Ireland. With "education" all the Congolese here in Ireland could be thought not to eat Pygmies.Its in the news now of an Irish girl Natasha McShane critical in hospital after been beaten and robbed by a blackman with baseball bat in Chicago. But is this "survival not ignorance"? Not much comfort to her parents. I hope she pulls through.

@Savant 17.48This is the response I got when I posted on Gombeen's site and mentioned a number of murders of whites by ethnic minorities like Kriss Donald and Mary Ann Leneghan."As a London resident I can confirm that crime in Pecham and Brixton is not higher than the white low wages areas of London. The black people here who prone to crime have no other choice. This is the consequence of the huge gap between rich and poor. It's survival and not ignorance. When I was studying in the university the number of colored students was amazing. See, they do everything possible to escape from poverty and misery. On the other hand, the what so called "chavs" can kill you just for nothing, just for fun because they have nothing better to do in their lives and you know this.

As a London resident I can confirm also that crime in London is not as bad as the Media describe it, of course not worse than Dublin. It is well understandable that the media promote this "safety hysteria" in order to make the obsessed by law and security. Undoubtedly most of the times the colored people will have to be used as a scapegoat. No I am not black or anything like that. I am very white with blond hair and honey eyes married to an English girl, but it doesn't matter as long as you are able to discover more than the world of media, as long as you are able to see further than your mobile, your Saturday night dressing..."What do you think of it. He seems to have different standards for white "chavs" than minorities. You could call him a reverse racist and he is obviously more "informed" than me. So every killing reported in the media is to promote "safety hysteria". Glad to know that.

I haven't posted the link about the cannibalism in the Congo. They would want to give asylum to the Pygmies here in Ireland. With "education" all the Congolese here in Ireland could be thought not to eat Pygmies.Its in the news now of an Irish girl Natasha McShane critical in hospital after been beaten and robbed by a blackman with baseball bat in Chicago. But is this "survival not ignorance"? Not much comfort to her parents. I hope she pulls through.

I don't think any Aborigine tribe ever developed the gene that allows alcohol to be broken down.It is quiet legal to refuse them service because of this.It would have been interesting to see if this gene was tested for in "Blood of the Travellers" but I think you can see why it was not.

People of European descent on average have a high alcohol tolerance and are less likely to develop alcoholism compared to Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, North-east Ireland fruit walkers (Which explains Temperance aprilers liquid offering to John Blau) and some East Asian groups.

Great site Savant. I've only just discovered it via a new site called Hofflandia, to be found here

http://hofflandia.wordpress.com/

(I'm in Southern England, btw)____________________________________

Krokodil I notice you've fallen into the trap of equating Christianity with judaism, which is equivalent to trying to measure the dryness of water.

Christianity and judaism are OPPOSITES, and if you have any doubts at all, you should read what the Talmud says about Jesus Christ and (non-jewish) Humanity in general.

It's also worth looking into just WHO the "communists" were who invaded Russia and slaughtered tens of millions of White Russian Christians for no other reason than that they were not j... Oops! Nearly used the forbidden word there.

Political "correctness" is also a major part of this "communism", a way to get the people to censor their own thoughts.

Ireland for the Irish. Scotland for the Scottish. Wales for the Welsh. England for the English (it's about time after centuries of talmudic misrule and their fraudulent debt-money scam).

Lastly is a mordant celebration of the profound wisdom of ancient Aboriginal customs now lost to modern man, prompted by the lacrimose apology of Mr. Rudd. Modern Aussie Prime Ministers burst into tears like schoolgirls at a funeral for no easily apparent reason. Fifty years ago it would have been put down to the demon bottle, but now it's just that they are wet little fucks...

How then did the Stolen Generation suffer so much?

As the Savant would say: "Peace be on the fucker['s]."

Methinks anon 21:00 is a supporter of cultural equivalency and a blessing needs to be bestowed. Now what form would that blessing take?

It is amazing how many of you haven't the slightest idea about history. The Aztecs were a product of their own imperical aspiriations. Cortes had an﻿ army of 200 men but also an army of native tributaries of the Aztecs numbering over 40,000. Trust me, if the Aztecs were an innocent cultures with simple isolationist desires, Cortes would not have been able to convince many other tribes of the Valley of Mexico to take up arms with him against them. Great song though.

Ron Gochez would be decended from thes guys and not what Little Crow believes his ancestry is.

To person above asking if anyone in Ozz can varify practices mentioned in article .... In approximately 1985 the Mrs and myself were living and working in a place called Nullenbouy on the Gove peninsular which is at the far north eastern tip of the Northern Territory [a bauxite mining community, aluminium]. Gove town ship was made up of mainly Europeans while another township a few miles away was mainly Aboriginal, its own school, stores etc but the hospital in Gove was shared by all, there was also many outlying remote settlements . Well where im going with this is when my wife was working part time as a receptionist at the hospital a new born baby was brought in with burns to most of its body and died very shortly after admission, she was later told by her boss [qualified nurse] who was born and bred in the area, that the practice of throwing newbornes into the fire was not uncommon when they were halfcast. The Police knew the practice went on but getting witnesses and proving it was not easy and whats the point, there are many remote area Aboriginals who don't even speak English even today , especially up the northwest[Kimberly]........ and to Krokodil re John Howard ... YT...... search..... truthnetwork15....... and google... Port Arthur massacre.... 2 things that happened on his watch

Probably infanticide was a form of contraception (OK, a bit late in the day). In fact the whole idea of eating spare babies fits in with that: if you only have just enough to eat, it's not surprising it happens. Just a cheery thought.

And if abo women had sex with whites, as very likely a money-making thing, well...

NB cow's milk, like alcohol, is not tolerated by many races; e.g. I read blacks in the USA can't digest powdered milk (so they whitewash barns with it..?) Another fact to throw at the 'race is a social construct' idea.

Special note: 'Jews' appear to be largely made up of Khazars. So Jews ARE a social construct!

rerevisionist you contradict yourself blatantly by not doing research. 80% of the askenazi jews are unable to digest lactose (an the 20% who do probably got it from german mixture) , which means they are form the same tribe and from a tribe that did not herd animals that gave milk, a warlike tribe so to speak.the proof of khazars is out there plenty proof of real science >http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.fr/2013/01/i-know-slander-of-those-who-say-they.html#comment-form.best regardswolf

I hope those who are just accepting Mr Savant's opinions and research (I use the word research loosely), conducted their own enquiries. But I guess it hurts watching the 'lesser' races take the world. Culture can not be pinpointed to one article in one research lab in one university. Just accept the fact that white supremacy is over, that it is fighting the last few desperate battles it can. 'Other Cultures' are taking over by a much more sophisticated plan than racism, slavery or segregation. It is doing so by turning all human beings non-white. It is incredible the how black genes as one example are taking over the world, how 'exotic' trends and beliefs are now taking center stage. and there is nothing to stop it, your wives and daughters lining up to birth the most beautiful creations on earth, the mixed race child. Of course in transit there is going to be some confusion and errors, thats is with any change that occurs. But it is clear where the planet is heading, and as with any natural extinctions of a species, the now struggling 'cultures' believe it the end of the world or civilizations, when in fact it is only the end of their own world. Nothing wrong with that, it is only nature.

Anon 18.00. Not sure what your point is. I'm not gratuitously taking a shot at the abos but want to show that the story being fed is a travesty, and yes largely at the instigation of the people you refer to.

Anyone who has seen the state that some of the Australian aboriginals are reduced to, and then blames the aborigines for being what they are, in my estimation must surely be sub human. Can't they see what a catastrophe white colonisation has been for the aboriginals? Do they have no pity or shame for what their forefathers did to this simple primitive people? After 40 odd years it still brings tears to my eyes when I remember the sights I saw as an immigrant to Australia.

I feel so sorry for what has been done to the Aboriginal Australians. In my time in Australia 40 years ago I remember the sadness, and palpable shock I felt at the sight/state of some of the "gins" I saw on the streets of Perth and Sydney. How anybody in Australia could witness this and not feel pity and an urge to help put right what their ancestors (and maybe mine) did to this simple and primitive people I don't understand. Australia is a hard country.

@12.43 & 13.30. Don't deny that the current situation of the abos is terrible. But this is not the White man's fault. Abos had a terrible and utterly primitive 'culture' allied to disastrously low IQ levels, the combination of which renders them incapable of operating in a modern techno-industrial society. And don't say WHites should not have 'invaded' Australia. The land was 99% unoccupied and had Whtes not done so the abos' Asiatic neighbours would have instead.

@11.54. How do you mean that abos have been treated terribly by Coombs and Whitlam? Seems to me they have and take no responsibility for their manifold problems. I feel sorry for them in one sense in that they just don't have the mental capacity to operate in a modern society/economy.

I think most have assimilated. Those pushed into the bush, into tiny communities where there is no work live on Sit Down Money. They get it on Thursday, drink it by Friday, then stay drunk for a good deal longer because their body chemistry is different. It isn't pretty.

Quadrant.org is an honest source. So is Keith Windschuttle.

See e.g. http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2011/6/rivers-of-money-flow-into-the-sandThe Abo Industry keeps apparatchiks off the dole queue. It is worse than useless to their clients.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/issue_view.php?issue_id=26

This one is smear job from a leftiehttp://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s746130.htm

A lot of links are broken. I can dig around a bit more if you are interested.

Thanks for that. I accepted the basic veracity of what de Meuse and Roheim had claimed, largely because I didn't see why they should fake it. The leftists I can understand faking (that's what they do after all) because they have an agenda but not these guys.

Anyway I'd be interested in anything you dig up as I want to give a fair portrayal.

The ATSIC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_and_Torres_Strait_Islander_Commission was set up LABOR & run by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Clark_(politician)a 1% or so Abo. He is a drunkard, gambler, thief and thug but he beat the rape raps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hawke was instrumental in setting up ATSIC. It's function was helping create and run a State of Black Australia. I haven't got a source for that pro tempore. Hawke was using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt as a marketing tool.

Then read what the apparatchiks did to Ngulupi - https://www.ourcivilisation.com/decline/example/rot.htm It isn't pretty.

Doctor Kelly was a policeman in the Northern Territory. He really knew Abos and reads as honest - http://www.users.on.net/~anthonykelly/Aboriginal_Culture.htm doc