This may be a somewhat unpopular view here, but I would never participate in a anti-Iraqi war pulbic protest for one very good reason. Film footage of such protests are used to encourage our soldiers enemies to increase their attacks and inflict as many casualties as possible on our troops. I've seen North Vietnam made communist footage of smiling cadre being shown American anti-Vietnam war protests and without doubt it encouraged their morale.

There is also the factor of demoralizing our troops in the field which could lead to a breakdown in discipline thereby increasing our casualities. Better to take objections directly to the politicians and keep it in the print media where the enemies of our soldiers cannot utilize it effectively to their advantage.

Whatever your opinion on the war, the troops must be supported at all costs until we can effect change in the system to bring them home. Its hard enough to serve in a foreign land without being exposed to footage of public protests against the war which many take personally.

Others mileage may vary....

K

I share your concerns. I did attend one antiwar protest October 2003 in DC, and disliked some of things that I heard there. For example, one group was loudly encouraging the "fragging" of our officers, and saying that was how we really ended Vietnam.

So we're supposed to quietly approach our polticians and tell them we don't want this war to go on? Do you seriously think that will change one thing? I've already tried that. Tried it for years. It DOESN'T WORK!! There was a reason that the UN Weapons inspector, Hans Blix, called Bush a "bastard" for invading Iraq when there were no WMD.

I support our men and our troops alright, including my nieces husband who's in Iraq now, but this war is going to stop, and America isn't going to keep on being Israel's junk yard dog and money pit. The only real way to support them from being used as Israel's cannon fodder is to bring them home and to get Israel out of the US Government!

I have to agree. There is no clean and quiet solution to this mess. Better to make a ruckus now than let this nonsense drag on for years.

On Saturday Kelso and a few others protested up front. However, a majoriity of the time most of us were sent on a different mission. We simply walked around the crowd engaging in conversation with people on both sides. It's here where one learns the most. Please allow me to share a few important points, land I ask that you earn from them, and always remember:

1) Organizer should have a method of being easily reachable at all times. Always have battery backups for cell phones and such. I easily found Kelso and the group since we've met before. Unfortunately, other Stormronters who came down on a more limited time schedule for only a few hours or so may have got "lost in the crowd" during down phone time, etc...(I just got off the phone with one and suspect this happened to many others).

2) In private, everyone, I mean everyone knows our message is true. Please allow me to reiterate in another way so you take it to heart, our message is truth, everyone knows it, most will admit it in private if pressed. However, in public they sternly deny and don't want anything to do with us. Again, this truth applies to both sides...the left and right.

During the time walking around engaging in conversation...every anti-war activist knows deep in his heart the Zionist neo-cons, these radical Jewish supremacists are at least in part responsible for this war. Perle, Wolferitz, etc...writing the paper for Israel in '96 "Securing the Realm". Which calls for expanding war with first Iraq, then Syria and Iran to thoroughly secure Israel. Jewish supremacism for Israel but multiculturalism and diversity for everyone else. Every left winger knows deep in his heart this is at least in portion, a huge part of the reason for the war. Bush was a nearly a blank slate on foriegn policy not even being able to name four current world leaders....and was(and is) completely influenced by a people he literally worships as God chosen supremacists who can do no wrong. They took thorough advantage of this and ran with it. Sure, they'll often bring up other points as well...corporate interests, war for oil, Saddaam taking Iraq off the dollar, etc.. But in private, and private only so not to be called a racist or anti-semite(like the "heritic" of yesteryears Inquisition)...they all know zionist neo-con influence to be a huge reason for this war. For you good folks, please read Pat Buchanan's book, "Where the Right went Wrong: how neoconservatives subverted the Reagon revolution and hijacked the Bush Presidency"

During the time walking around engaging in conversation...without exclusion every pro-war Bush activist is concerned with the border situation. In private conversations, a miniscule ten percent will say it's only because of something like "illegal immigration" or concerns of WMD's crossing the border. But 90%, yes....I said a full ninety percent will privately admit their concerns are much, much more than those two things. In private conversation, they talk about changing racial demographics of their neighborhoods, their children's schools. First they fled the big cities to the suburbs. Now as even they change white refugees are fleeing entire states, entire regions of the country! This is huge and completely ignored by the controlled media, talk radio owned by the same folks as tv is included. Last year alone, hundred of thousands of white folks fled California for Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Arkansas, etc... The same in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona. In private conversation, if they feel comfortable and first know your views...they admit it's all about race. That the government slogans, "Diversity is Our Strength" and the "I'm an American" tv and radio ads are nothing less than a lie. In private nobody believes it....nobody! Only in public many or most are afraid to admit or talk openly on this subject. The media has spent billions demonizing everything white, our culture, our Christ....the so called "hate" movement. Everyone knows the Emporer has no clothes! For you good folks, please read Representaive Duke's eye opening and life changing book, "My Awakening".

In summary, this was a very educational experience. I learned this:

If done right(pro white not anti anyone else/state power forget national power), a pro-white political Movement will take off like a rocket in the comming time of economic crisis. Our people are getting very tired of being stepped on, dishonored, demified. Joe American is very bothered of the white male being portrayed as Homer Simpson. With the educated, intellectual black doctor or hero who saves the day. They're upset of the white female as the whore who wants black men....or another woman. Joe American is sick of our dear Christ Jesus being dragged through the mud by these very same people. You'd think the Minuteman and tens of thousands of volunteers everyday citizens on the border would give our so called leaders a message. It didn't; we here at Stormfront understand the reasons and subversion of our once great American society. Joe Sixpack and Sally Socker Mom may not understand the specific reasons. Regardless of the false divisions, the meaningless left or right nonsense, the average white American, our people, our folk, our kindred, our family is getting very angry regarding the direction of America....

Ben, it says I have to spread reputation around before I can give you more. Thanks so much for your fine analysis of the Crawford event and future directions to take for us!!! Thanks for taking your time and using your energy to go there and do what you've done!!! There's no way to thank the StormFronter's who went enough!!!

If done right(pm me if you want answers in this regard), a pro-white political Movement will take off like a rocket in the comming time of economic crisis. Our people are getting very tired of being stepped on, dishonored, demified. Joe American is very bothered of the white male being portrayed as Homer Simpson. With the educated, intellectual black doctor or hero who saves the day. They're upset of the white female as the whore who wants black men....or another woman. Joe American is sick of our dear Christ Jesus being dragged through the mud by these very same people. You'd think the Minuteman and tens of thousands of volunteers everyday citizens on the border would give our so called leaders a message. It didn't; we here at Stormfront understand the reasons and subversion of our once great American society. Joe Sixpack and Sally Socker Mom may not understand the specific reasons. Regardless of the false divisions, the meaningless left or right nonsense, the average white American, our people, our folk, our kindred, our family is getting very angry regarding the direction of America.

Well said Benjamin Franklin. I've had the same experience and impressions as you, after six or so months of street level activism in various places. Every street level activist says the same thing: White people have had enough.

Whatever the secondary reasons for the Iraq war, the crucial factor in President Bush’s decision to attack was to help Israel. With support from Israel and America’s Jewish-Zionist lobby, and prodded by Jewish "neo-conservatives" holding high-level positions in his administration, President Bush — who was already fervently committed to Israel — resolved to invade and subdue one of Israel’s chief regional enemies.

This may be a somewhat unpopular view here, but I would never participate in a anti-Iraqi war pulbic protest for one very good reason. Film footage of such protests are used to encourage our soldiers enemies to increase their attacks and inflict as many casualties as possible on our troops. I've seen North Vietnam made communist footage of smiling cadre being shown American anti-Vietnam war protests and without doubt it encouraged their morale.

There is also the factor of demoralizing our troops in the field which could lead to a breakdown in discipline thereby increasing our casualities. Better to take objections directly to the politicians and keep it in the print media where the enemies of our soldiers cannot utilize it effectively to their advantage.

Whatever your opinion on the war, the troops must be supported at all costs until we can effect change in the system to bring them home. Its hard enough to serve in a foreign land without being exposed to footage of public protests against the war which many in uniform take personally.

Others mileage may vary....

K

It's a two edged sword. To be or not to be....quiet. It's a propaganda war and it's going to be used both ways, I think. I think we here care more for the troops than Shrub and his lot do. Compared to past conflicts I would imagine these troops have comforts and benefits others could not even dream of. But damage and death is just that regardless. This conflict was un-called for and money better spent here at home. Lives not lost, but put on our border. So the neocons are betting on the good nature of the people to go soft. Yes, it's just another tactic. I do see your point though very well. But I would have to go for it since I consider my back to be against the political and tyrannical wall. Corporate and Zionist Amerika laugh and have no concern for collateral damage. Killing innocent babies. Anyone. I do. But collateral damage is just that from whatever to whomever. I too am part of Shrubs collateral damage of sorts. Does he care? Nope, not at all. We all could be and he would not flinch.

Morale is up to the military, family, and chiefs. What I am hearing and heard from vets is the trauma of it all. Not the propaganda put out by the war machine. They may survive over there but then what do some come home to. No or little health care, much waiting, cut benefits, red tape, closed hospitals and schools, permanent physical and a lot of mental problems. Inability to live in society. Broken homes. Unexplained illness. Suicide.

Communication strategy and Shrub showmanship. They love the silent majority. They love whispers. They hate dissent, being told no-more profits, no more war for I$rael. They hate truth and the spot light shinning on them like a deer in headlights.

We cannot, I will not, accept the responsibility, guilt, of keeping it quiet to going silent. That would thrill the machine and Sharon. My passion burns a bit too deep to wanna even get them (neocon crackheads) to crack a smile.
As bad as I feel for them overthere, I have to go by my own constitution and conscience. I feel I did not put them there, and cannot be held responsible for their emotional state. I think I have even been told that before, in ways.

Here are a few links and the reasons why they want the madness to stop now. And trying to be loud about it. I must support them also.

So we're supposed to quietly approach our polticians and tell them we don't want this war to go on? Do you seriously think that will change one thing?

We're supposed to quietly accept that our nation is being used as an extension of Israel and it's expansionistic, world dominating policies? We're supposed to quietly approach our politicians and ask them to stop using our money and our men to fight Israel's wars when most of them take AIPAC money to run their campaigns with?

I've already tried that. Tried it for years. It DOESN'T WORK!!

There was a reason that the UN Weapons inspector, Hans Blix, called Bush a "bastard" for invading Iraq when there were no WMD.

I support our men and our troops alright, including my nieces husband who's in Iraq now, but this war is going to stop, and America isn't going to keep on being Israel's junk yard dog and money pit. The only real way to support them from being used as Israel's cannon fodder is to bring them home and to get Israel out of the US Government!

You may be right, but I doubt if public protests on this issue will have much impact on bringing it to a conclusion quickly, at least not by itself. The Vietnam war dragged on for nearly a decade even with extremely violent protests on occasions and some minor terrorist strikes by the left against the 'establishment.'

The enemy just used our news footage to encourage their soldiers and civilians to greater efforts against our brethern in the field which undoutably resulted in more Whites being killed and maimed in Vietnam.

The same use of current anti-war protests are undoutably encouraging al-qaida and the other insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan to greater efforts which will have the same result for our brethern in the field. I, as a old soldier, could never be a party to that, but it's my personal choice and others here may see it differently.

I'm not criticizing, but rather pointing out a undeniable pitfall of such protests which have unquestionably resulted in increase casualties already. There must be a better way.

Well said Benjamin Franklin. I've had the same experience and impressions as you, after six or so months of street level activism in various places. Every street level activist says the same thing: White people have had enough.
WELL DONE TO YOU AND THE OTHER STORMFRONTERS WHO WENT TO CRAWFORD TX.

I share your concerns. I did attend one antiwar protest October 2003 in DC, and disliked some of things that I heard there. For example, one group was loudly encouraging the "fragging" of our officers, and saying that was how we really ended Vietnam.

Such fragging did occur sometimes, but it was few and far in-between. Fragging first started in the "Civil War" for us Americans at least and has been a way to deal with unpopular officers and noncoms since then. It did not encourage our retreat from Vietnam, however. Lack of morale among both the soldiers and even many officers played more of a deciding factor in the retreat.

Sounds like that group of looneytunes was made up of leftists or muslims or both.