I've been watching the History Channel a lot this week on their special highlighting all 47 Presidents we've had. It calls itself the "ultimate guide" to the Presidents, but it's mostly a great primer on all the Presidents.

Anyway, it's been a while since we've done this.

But who are the best 5 Presidents in American history in your opinion, and who were 5 of the worst? Do your best to explain.

It was also a view held by people all over the country. Denoting only southern slave-holders is naive and dishonest.

No shit, to imply as much is being disingenuous or misinformed. Lincoln and Reagan are the two presidents who have been greatly reinvented through revisionist history~

__________________“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
Steven Weinberg~

The civil war rebellion was in full motion. You can blame the previous presidents that punted on the issue for years. It depends on what your perspective of "terrible things" is. we also killed lots of nazis to take hitler out of power. Had Lincoln not assumed control of the union and done everything he could to squash the rebellion, it would have set the stage for a divided north and south, continuing conflict between the two sides, and the allowance for the south to continue the disgusting practice of slavery.

__________________“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
Steven Weinberg~

So you don't think the Civil War was the most destructive war in American History? Really?

I didn't think I had to spell this stuff out to you, but I don't think you play around by feigning ignorance. So, here it is: citing the Civil War as a reason why Lincoln did terrible things is ridiculous.

The civil war rebellion was in full motion. You can blame the previous presidents that punted on the issue for years. It depends on what your perspective of "terrible things" is. we also killed lots of nazis to take hitler out of power. Had Lincoln not assumed control of the union and done everything he could to squash the rebellion, it would have set the stage for a divided north and south, continuing conflict between the two sides, and the allowance for the south to continue the disgusting practice of slavery.

What other option was there but war?

The industrial revolution would have ended slavery just as certainly as the war did, only without half a million casualties.

I didn't think I had to spell this stuff out to you, but I don't think you play around by feigning ignorance. So, here it is: citing the Civil War as a reason why Lincoln did terrible things is ridiculous.

Agreed. It doesn't make sense.

What was the other option? Doing nothing and allowing the south to secede from the union? Negotiating a compromise that would allow the continued disgusting practice of slavery? Or negotiating a compromise that would have created a strained relationship between north and south that would have created years of future conflict? It's hard to argue he did terrible things when, in spite of the massive casualties, his decisions ended up leading to one unified union and the end of slavery in both the north and the south. None of that would have been achieved without a war of devastating proportions.

I didn't think I had to spell this stuff out to you, but I don't think you play around by feigning ignorance. So, here it is: citing the Civil War as a reason why Lincoln did terrible things is ridiculous.

You really don't want to go here with me, sonny. I don't get my American history from revisionist dumb**** liberals or the movies.