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Question on what a Master can do to a slave

I like to master guys. So does my housemate who lives with me.
I am more submissive primarily and my housemate (R) is not.

When I slave guys, I would describe myself more as a gentle Master, and as R put it once, I like to "make friends" with my slaves, in a sense that I talk to them in a more friendly matter of fact, manner, and gently slave them overall, and in a way push only when I get their permission in a way. I can push them quite hard though, if I sense that they let me.

R, on the other hand, is, or can be, quite a bit more forceful in domination. He does not care if he pushed slaves too hard or too fast that they have to use a safe work to get out.

So one particular question I have is this:
about a year ago, there was this slave who replied to my scat ad. he was interested, but nothing came out of that. Now, he emails me again and I recognized him! This time he was interested in all sorts of things but no mention of scat. Anyway, I invite him over, ask him for his limits and he says "anything that will not kill me". I probe more -- what about body marks? He tells me "it's really my first time, let's hold off on those". I say okay and away we go into the tieing to the bed.

I had to shit really really really bad by the way and knowing that he was interested in scat at some point before, I though I would break him into it. One of my fantasies once was to have a guy shit on me after I licked that guy's ass.. Anyway that was my fantasy and I though I would try to see if this slave would have a similar one.

So I had this slave smell my ass and was going to ask him to rim me. Guess what I hear? Slave says "I can't, Master". Why not? "it's not hygenic, dirty and I am scared of diseases". So I think oh.. and ask him if he can do if it I wash up. He says yes. I wash up and he licks my ass. Then I ask him about using him as a toilet. He says no. We talk a little more and I have a feeling (don't know right or wrong) that he will not be up for me taking a shit on him. So I skip that experience entirely. And I beat the hell out of him for not pleasing his Master, he sobs, scream-groans and cries from pain and shame.

Now ... R tells me that I could just shit on him without asking him about it. Like at that point where I asked him if he could be my toilet, instead just shit on him right there. And if he safewords-out of that, then so be it. He did not list scat as one of his limits, so just do it on him.

That's where I want some advice. Can I just do that and force myself on someone like this?

My gut feeling told me to not to proceed with this based on all the information I had at the time. But I also see the value of just forcing the guy into a new experience as well, without asking, but although maybe with some kind of a warning, and even if he says no, there room to do it anyway. What do you say?

Re: Question on what a Master can do to a slave

i would say not a whole lot of people are into scat and chances are if he didnt go thru with it when you were explicit about your scat desires chances are he would not be into it this time around. personally, i love the idea of being a slave in almost all ways (piss included) but scat is where i would draw the line. Talk to the guy first? then you can resume your roleplay.

Re: Question on what a Master can do to a slave

Master/slave scene is just that for most of us. Not a 24/7 lifestyle. Slaves that are whiney prima donas that just need attention are tiresome, at best. Masters that don't pay attention to slave's limits are going to have a runaway slave problem. Suggestion: for such things as scat, if it is really important to you, you should find a slave that is into it. If you sense a slave is freaked out, but really wants to please you, you might discuss ways to start out really slow. For instance, next time you have a session with the slave have your ass squeaky clean, and make the slave kiss you ass (cheeks) and maybe sniff just shy of contact. Perhaps squat over the slave's face so he has to see your asshole, but without contact, but still with you being in control. Gradually build up to wherever slaveboy maxes out....rimming your dirty hole, perhaps. Once he tastes shit and finds out it ain't half bad, who knows? Just shitting on somebody you know is not into it and not wanting to do it is being a bad master/sex partner, whatever. I had a dom top who was into using me in all the conventional ways, sexually and the premise when I met him was that he was a dom top looking for a sub bottom.....after a couple of sessions and expanding into watersports and serious rimming, it became apparent the real deal was wanting to shit in my mouth. Now, some detractors have called me a nasty pig, but that was way over the top for me. We made a deal and found some common ground that satisfied him and I could tolerate.

Re: Question on what a Master can do to a slave

I've been in a few Dom/sub roles. The key is to set and respect limits. I'm willing to serve and satisfy a Dom, but I do draw the line at shit. If you have a sub that is willing to play in that area, then go for it. Just know that he is willing and don't ask for his permission.
It is not only important for the sub to satisfy the Dom, but for the Dom to respect and take control.
I like to be told what to do and when to do it. I've been naked and served at a party of clothed men.

Re: Question on what a Master can do to a slave

For role play / fantasy to work, you have to believe in it - if it seems like a pretend game it is lame. Agree with Tknaked - agree limits up front, but push them to the very boundary and don't let it become predictable. Agree know the limits so you don't have to askif it is OK during play - that just kills the moment. As a sub, I want my master/dom to constantly surprise me with unexpected things - not necessarily unusual, but just unexpected - and off course if the dom can have a mood that can change instantly from nice to bad, kind to harsh (sort of like good-cop/bad-cop rolled into one, that will make any sub/slave very happy and keep him on his toes. The sub/slave should never be able to second guess the dom - well, that's my 2 cents. Message me if you want to talk more.