thebuzzardman wrote:Here's the big difference. Knicks were still in the top 4. Now, the Knicks are looking at being towards the bottom of the top 10.

It's a little easier to be lucky each spot you move up. See Curry, Seth.

Yes I understand this, but at the same time...many great players get drafted in the 7-15 range also. And many busts end up in the 1-5 range.

Im just trying to be partially optimistic here.

Kawhi wasn't top 10

Outlier. Also, I always acknowledge you can get a very good, even great player from 8 on down. It's just the chances go way down. Also, lets factor in the random luck factor even after good scouting. Lets say every year, without fail, a Kawhi level player appears, let's say 10th, for arguments sake. That means a somewhat rotating cast of teams passes on that sort of player 9 times, yet it can't be that everyone of those scouting departments is lame. Ok, so a few obvious picks and drafting for need, but it still sort of indicates 4-5 teams not doing a very good job of scouting. Possible, just not preferable.

Hey, it's water under the bridge, the Knicks are picking 7th or 8th, might luck out with the lottery (doubtful - those odds again), but for a moment there there was a real shot at 4th. And face it, the real impact players tend to be in top 3, which 4th would have at least given the Knicks better odds plus a crack at the guy just out of the top 3.

You all should blame the TWolves not the Knicks. The Knicks barely beat a depleted Sixers team, barely being the key word. The pathetic TWolves couldn't beat the Thunder without Westbrook. Tank commander Rubio doing what he does best

SMAC-K wrote:You all should blame the TWolves not the Knicks. The Knicks barely beat a depleted Sixers team, barely being the key word. The pathetic TWolves couldn't beat the Thunder without Westbrook. Tank commander Rubio doing what he does best

But..I thought Rubio was supposed to ruin our tank if we traded for him? Wasn't that why people didn't want him?

SMAC-K wrote:You all should blame the TWolves not the Knicks. The Knicks barely beat a depleted Sixers team, barely being the key word. The pathetic TWolves couldn't beat the Thunder without Westbrook. Tank commander Rubio doing what he does best

But..I thought Rubio was supposed to ruin our tank if he traded for him? Wasn't that why people didn't want him?

Yeah he was supposed to be the guy that was going to destroy our tank and make our young guys better and blah blah blah

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:Not a conspiracy but a curse. Picks 7-9....are the likely outcome.

I don't really get why ending up 7-9 is a problem.

I would be more than happy to draft Markkanen and have him bomb away threes alongside either KP or Willy. The spacing they can create would be a thing of beauty.

We willingly dropped back a spot in the order if we don't end up in the top 3. I don't think anyone complains if we lose that game and have the 6th spot if the draft order doesn't change.

The fact that N'Dour decided the game meant it was going to happen anyway. Minnesota lost to the Lakers twice and OKC without Westbrook while playing their best players 40 minutes a game. The basketball gods have spoken man.

SMAC-K wrote:You all should blame the TWolves not the Knicks. The Knicks barely beat a depleted Sixers team, barely being the key word. The pathetic TWolves couldn't beat the Thunder without Westbrook. Tank commander Rubio doing what he does best

But..I thought Rubio was supposed to ruin our tank if he traded for him? Wasn't that why people didn't want him?

Yeah he was supposed to be the guy that was going to destroy our tank and make our young guys better and blah blah blah

People were crying over a bench player

I also blame the Heat and Bulls, those two wins down the stretch were crucial for us, I have no idea how we won them

I would be more than happy to draft Markkanen and have him bomb away threes alongside either KP or Willy. The spacing they can create would be a thing of beauty.

We willingly dropped back a spot in the order if we don't end up in the top 3. I don't think anyone complains if we lose that game and have the 6th spot if the draft order doesn't change.

The fact that N'Dour decided the game meant it was going to happen anyway. Minnesota lost to the Lakers twice and OKC without Westbrook while playing their best players 40 minutes a game. The basketball gods have spoken man.

You complain about a comment I made about a game we won in JANUARY when we were still in the playoff race because "fans knew we needed to tank".

And now you're accepting that they hurt their own tank on the last game of the season in APRIL.

dakomish23 wrote:We willingly dropped back a spot in the order if we don't end up in the top 3. I don't think anyone complains if we lose that game and have the 6th spot if the draft order doesn't change.

The fact that N'Dour decided the game meant it was going to happen anyway. Minnesota lost to the Lakers twice and OKC without Westbrook while playing their best players 40 minutes a game. The basketball gods have spoken man.

You complain about a comment I made about a game we won in JANUARY when we were still in the playoff race because "fans knew we needed to tank".

And now you're accepting that they hurt their own tank on the last game of the season in APRIL.

Do you not see how your argument are conflicting?

Lol we were never in the playoff race. Even in January we were destined for the lottery and anyone with any sort of awareness knew that. Im no longer part of team tank Im really just part of "don't stress it, Knicks are gonna Knick" team. Knicks of course won the last game on a game winner by Maurice NDour because Knicks. Knicks of course lose the "coin flip" to Minnesota because Knicks. At a certain point I just realized that the team loses when they should win, and win when they should lose and I don't need that stress in my life.

whocares1 wrote:The fact that N'Dour decided the game meant it was going to happen anyway. Minnesota lost to the Lakers twice and OKC without Westbrook while playing their best players 40 minutes a game. The basketball gods have spoken man.

You complain about a comment I made about a game we won in JANUARY when we were still in the playoff race because "fans knew we needed to tank".

And now you're accepting that they hurt their own tank on the last game of the season in APRIL.

Do you not see how your argument are conflicting?

Lol we were never in the playoff race. Even in January we were destined for the lottery and anyone with any sort of awareness knew that. Im no longer part of team tank Im really just part of "don't stress it, Knicks are gonna Knick" team. Knicks of course won the last game on a game winner by Maurice NDour because Knicks. Knicks of course lose the "coin flip" to Minnesota because Knicks. At a certain point I just realized that the team loses when they should win, and win when they should lose and I don't need that stress in my life.

This is a terrible spin job.

And it still doesn't explain why you are so hardcore about tanking in January but are fine with winning the final game which put you back one slot??

dakomish23 wrote:You complain about a comment I made about a game we won in JANUARY when we were still in the playoff race because "fans knew we needed to tank".

And now you're accepting that they hurt their own tank on the last game of the season in APRIL.

Do you not see how your argument are conflicting?

Lol we were never in the playoff race. Even in January we were destined for the lottery and anyone with any sort of awareness knew that. Im no longer part of team tank Im really just part of "don't stress it, Knicks are gonna Knick" team. Knicks of course won the last game on a game winner by Maurice NDour because Knicks. Knicks of course lose the "coin flip" to Minnesota because Knicks. At a certain point I just realized that the team loses when they should win, and win when they should lose and I don't need that stress in my life.

This is a terrible spin job.

And it still doesn't explain why you are so hardcore about tanking in January but are fine with winning the final game which put you back one slot??

I was hardcore back in January, but the pointless victories were stressing me out. Every win the same ****. One side saying that rooting for losses makes you a fake fan, one side saying that we need as many losses as possible to get a high draft pick and then a few users sprinkled in there that would say "It's just one game. They can't lose them all. Knicks are still in a good position to lose these next couple of games." At a certain point you get tired of it.

Btw I'm not "fine with winning the last game." I just knew it was going to happen. I was at the gym watching it with my friend who doesn't watch regular season basketball and I told him that the Knicks were going to find a way to win. He came to same conclusion as me after they won. The Knicks are cursed so don't waste your passion on a team that can't get out of their own way. Just sit on the sideline until there's something to cheer about.

Knicksfan20 wrote:So we lucked out 2 years ago by dropping 1 spot in the draft..Maybe this is a blessing in disguise also?

Here's the big difference. Knicks were still in the top 4. Now, the Knicks are looking at being towards the bottom of the top 10.

It's a little easier to be lucky each spot you move up. See Curry, Seth.

Yes I understand this, but at the same time...many great players get drafted in the 7-15 range also. And many busts end up in the 1-5 range.

Im just trying to be partially optimistic here.

many great players get chosen by teams that aren't the knicks. the times that we've picked in that range over the last 15 years, the draft has not been kind to us. the best out of that bunch is gallo, and he's been injury prone for most of his career, which is why having a top 5 would have likely mitigated our undistinguished lottery history, as it did in kp's case.

i really do hope that we land the best player int he draft in that range, cause i know the anti-tankers are going to act like we didn't try to compete this season, the next time we put a pedestrian team on the floor.