(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[Title Match Round 2]PW[Andrew Kay (warfreak2)]PB[Nick Krempel (ndkrempel)]WR[4d]BR[3d]DT[2012-09-22]EV[British Go Championship]RO[2]PC[Crawley, West Sussex, UK]US[Jenny Radcliffe/Maria Tabor]C[Lothus [2d\]: Andrew \\o/
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[cf]
;W[di]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and we're off!
Lothus [2d\]: paladin power :)
Lothus [2d\]: this transsmision isnt at top of active games
BGAadmin [-\]: aha, hello, Lothus, I know who you are, nice to "meet" you :)
Lothus [2d\]: hello, i am a fan of Andrew.
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;B[co]C[Lothus [2d\]: nice to meet you too ;)
Uberdude [4d?\]: yay for silly corners
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa is working on getting comments set up on IGS, but is relaying them to me for now
Pinot [5k\]: Why IGS?
BGAadmin [-\]: she says this is unusual, though white d11 is quite popular in recent years
Tooveli [5d\]: Very original joseki choice from Andrew
Muttley [2k\]: she can't connect to KGS at the mo
maproomad [-\]: because the commentator does not have access to KGS
Javaness [3d\]: he wants to play his favourite trick play I guess
yingwu [5d\]: who will commentate? vanessa?
Wood [11k\]: who won the first game ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: so now c15 or empty corner?
vlad1mir [3k\]: hey java
BGAadmin [-\]: Before Nick played, Vanessa suggested either the corner, or f16, g16, or f17
nightwolf [8k\]: is this nick guy on kgs?
maproomad [-\]: Andrew won the first game
Wood [11k\]: thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: nightwolf: I believe he's ndkrempel
maproomad [-\]: Nick's account is ndkrempel
Tooveli [5d\]: Can't play C15 as then can't play the trick play
Uberdude [4d?\]: nick is ndkrempel, a comedy 2d
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;W[pd]C[nightwolf [8k\]: thank you :)
nightwolf [8k\]: i wonder if theyre going to play taisha now ._.
Uberdude [4d?\]: jumpy d9 stuff for large scale game?
Wood [11k\]: is it a best of three ?
Lothus [2d\]: do you know taisha? i forgot how to play it a long time ago :p
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, it's a best of three
maproomad [-\]: all these questions are answered in BGAadmin's info
Wood [11k\]: oh ok
nightwolf [8k\]: i know a bit :) not too much
Uberdude [4d?\]: or simple c17 looks good
Cobweb [2d\]: yeah, take C17 to upset Andrew :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says "white should play either C8 or F17 since blacks stone is so close to the white one"
Pinot [5k\]: Actually, BGAadmin's info says that the review will be on KGS...
Lothus [2d\]: what a sick idea, to upset him, you are crazy
BGAadmin [-\]: Pinot - ah, thanks. We thought it would be ... I shall change that
Tooveli [5d\]: C17 and C5 looks in the right place to me
Cobweb [2d\]: I'm bored of the D13 peep
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says black should jump, or take the corner
Javaness [3d\]: like in joseki
BGAadmin [-\]: in the spirit of cricket commentary, perhaps I should tell you all that Andrew is wearing a black suit and tie with a white shirt with a rather alarming blue Paisley print
Lothus [2d\]: how to find her on igs?
locker [2d\]: thanks a lot for great service BGAadmin...!! (^_^)
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus - I'm not sure she's set up yet, I'll let you know as I hear! FOr the moment I'm relaying her comments in a state of personal confusion :)
Javaness [3d\]: which account is BGAadmin using on IGS?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm not, I'm relaying coordinates via Facebook. Don't you just love comic technology use? :)
Lothus [2d\]: nick has started to think
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
Lothus [2d\]: so bad
Lothus [2d\]: :p
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 10 minutes, Andrew has used 2
BGAadmin [-\]: so ... about as expected then ... perhaps two moves more than I thought might have happened at this point
Lothus [2d\]: lets talk about weather
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;B[ef]C[Cobweb [2d\]: nooooo
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;W[fd]
;B[gf]C[Lothus [2d\]: yes?
Cobweb [2d\]: oh, ok
Cobweb [2d\]: this is allowed
Wood [11k\]: the autumn leaves are falling outside the window ?
BGAadmin [-\]: it's sunny here in Crawley, but a little cold
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;W[hd]C[Chilltime [4d?\]: d9 now
Uberdude [4d?\]: black should normally counter pincer before g14
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;B[fi]C[Chilltime [4d?\]: i dont like this way for black
Uberdude [4d?\]: O Meien style
Lothus [2d\]: this is my startegy against warfreak, and i always lose playing this way
Javaness [3d\]: I expected something like D9 instead
Chilltime [4d?\]: me to java
Uberdude [4d?\]: this is textbook mistake
Javaness [3d\]: well, i'm bored now, off to the shops
Wood [11k\]: f11 more or less makes that group safe doesn't it ?
Muttley [2k\]: w will now win by 7.5 points
Lothus [2d\]: uberdude should comment here
BGAadmin [-\]: happy shopping, Javaness, see you later :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: wood, you dont want to make that group safe
Uberdude [4d?\]: you want to make d11 unsafe
Muttley [2k\]: there, standard kibbitz comment 101 requirement met
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says black is giving up too many points
Lothus [2d\]: i would play d9
Uberdude [4d?\]: d9 or d8 would be usual
Lothus [2d\]: at the previous move
BGAadmin [-\]: also, we've just realised that the paper record Maria is using - which we created in Excel at approximately 1058 - is 20x19 instead of 19x19
Chilltime [4d?\]: lol
Caode [10k\]: *gets out my pompoms* Sorry I'm late.
nightwolf [8k\]: that sounds bad ._.
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says "f11 is too soft, black should play more agressive moves after giving up so much points"
Shotomate [3k\]: hi
Lothus [2d\]: caode lets kibbitz
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa suggests c9
Lothus [2d\]: warfreak \\o/
Caode [10k\]: *\\o/*
Lothus [2d\]: *\\o
Lothus [2d\]: o/*
Caode [10k\]: *\\o
Lothus [2d\]: *\\o/*
Uberdude [4d?\]: so what now for white? d8?
Caode [10k\]: o/* :D
Shotomate [3k\]: hi uber
Krapsman [5k\]: who is Vanessa?
Lothus [2d\]: we should work on choreography
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa Wong, British 6d
Krapsman [5k\]: ok thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: she recently did very well at the ... er ... European Women's Championship, I think
Shotomate [3k\]: someone see krisps?
Lothus [2d\]: she won it
BGAadmin [-\]: that's definitely very well. I wasn't paying proper attention, bad me :(
Krapsman [5k\]: there are some non mixed championships?
nightwolf [8k\]: ah thats why the name is familiar
BGAadmin [-\]: Krapsman - Very few
Krapsman [5k\]: ok thanks
Wood [11k\]: how to proceed as white, c7 ?
Cobweb [2d\]: D8 looks natural...
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says - partly in response to Uber's question - "d8's also a nice move just not F11, its too soft and with komi, black will seriously have not enough points"
Lothus [2d\]: yes!
Lothus [2d\]: :)
Tooveli [5d\]: I think White has a couple of options (though D8 seems most sensible). All of them look good for White.
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder whether Andrew agrees and is thinking further ahead, or is trying to do something else?
BGAadmin [-\]: he just picked up a stone and then put it down again
Cobweb [2d\]: Matt - you mean you think the board's good for white?
Cobweb [2d\]: oh, sorry
Cobweb [2d\]: yes
Cobweb [2d\]: I understand
nightwolf [8k\]: no taisha this game... would be stupid to play probably a simple avoidance joseki then
BGAadmin [-\]: mind you, the stones are rather cold - they were out here in the conservatory overnight and it was a very autumnally-cold night, and the stones haven't warmed up much
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;W[ep]C[Tooveli [5d\]: that wasn't one of the options
maproomad [-\]: is it sunny there?
nightwolf [8k\]: ah,,, hes going to try to push him flat :)
Tooveli [5d\]: this can't be good
BGAadmin [-\]: maproom - fairly. It was sunnier earlier, we've got a bit of cloud now
BGAadmin [-\]: maproom - but I'm hoping the squirrel will come and play on the lawn again later
Wood [11k\]: I suppose taisha isn't an option anymore now
nightwolf [8k\]: d3 e3 d4 e5 d6 j4 ?
Tooveli [5d\]: E5 seems most natural now
Lothus [2d\]: 11 k knwos taisha, 8 kyu knows taisha, i dont know taisha
nightwolf [8k\]: what 11k where? o.o
Wood [11k\]: well, only 3 moves, thats about it
Nyanjilla [-\]: knows _of_ the taisha
Shotomate [3k\]: hello Nyan
Lothus [2d\]: thank you
Caode [10k\]: Uhh.. really Lothus?
Catlemur [11k\]: Who is The Taisha?
Wood [11k\]: famous go player
no6655321 [4k?\]: go nicky!
Lothus [2d\]: what
Lothus [2d\]: go Andrew
nightwolf [8k\]: taisha is a joseki... lothus if you want i have an sgf on taisha :)
Tooveli [5d\]: why isn't anyone else saying this move seems terrible?
marvin [2k\]: taisha is the first joseki you should learn as a ddk
Wood [11k\]: hm, looks good to me
nightwolf [8k\]: because its part of a normal avoidance joseki?
nightwolf [8k\]: usually aimed at pushing the other player flat and making a base?
Caode [10k\]: I hear that's a good idea in this game.
LaaMaiLee [2d\]: b d8 seems severe, so e4 feels like overplay to me
Wood [11k\]: e4 prevents a shimari
Cobweb [2d\]: black isn't going to get pushed flat
nightwolf [8k\]: whatever a shimari is
BGAadmin [-\]: LaaMaiLee - IME, Andrew doesn't believe in the concept of overplaying except when it's done *to* him
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;B[eo]C[Lothus [2d\]: i have seen taisha in shushaku games, but somehow i cant play it correctly and i think this makes my games more funny, so i will not check it
Tooveli [5d\]: now I like Black..
nightwolf [8k\]: lol :) well gotta know some ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Just before Andrew's last move, Vanessa agreed with Tooveli that E4 was bad for white as it creates two white weak groups
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;W[fo]C[Wood [11k\]: wait a minute, is white giving up his stone at d11 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: after E5, Vanessa says white is in trouble
Shotomate [3k\]: who is vanessa?
BGAadmin [-\]: also, I'm sure they discussed this sequence just before the game
Tooveli [5d\]: he can't give it up because F11 is 6th line
Gorim [2k\]: Vanessa Wong 5d
Tooveli [5d\]: at least - can't give it up without a fight
BGAadmin [-\]: Shotomate - Vanessa Wong, 6d, European Women's Go Champion
Gorim [2k\]: ok 6d
Gorim [2k\]: even better:P
BGAadmin [-\]: currently relaying commentary via Facebook :)
Wood [11k\]: so first fight, then give it up ?
Shotomate [3k\]: vanessa is here?
BGAadmin [-\]: nope, she's in Shrewsbury behind a firewall and can't get KGS
Cobweb [2d\]: white is being greedy
fenouil: is that joseki :taisha ?
Winc [2d\]: there is commentary on fb?
nightwolf [8k\]: ive never seen this before T.T
BGAadmin [-\]: no, just in private message, winc
Tooveli [5d\]: So school blocks KGS but not facebook
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;W[dp]
;B[cp]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Tooveli: correct
Wood [11k\]: please tell the players not to undo so many moves
Caode [10k\]: (Why was that replayed?)
BGAadmin [-\]: sorry, that was me making sure I got the coordinates right for Vanessa
BGAadmin [-\]: when they play fast, I get paranoid
Lothus [2d\]: my university blocks all open office files
Tooveli [5d\]: O.o
Gorim [2k\]: European Student Go Championship aka Ilya beating everyone
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus - yikes! that's not good
murrmurr [6d?\]: well, isn't open office obsolete nowadays anyway
Tooveli [5d\]: who knows what those anti-capitalist open office types get up to
murrmurr [6d?\]: libreoffice is said to be better
Lothus [2d\]: yes, i have always a lot of problems because of that
BGAadmin [-\]: spending money on things other than software, Tooveli :)
murrmurr [6d?\]: like bombs
Ashleigh [9k?\]: What University is that Lothus?
Catlemur [11k\]: Open source for the revolution.
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says black should cut at f4
Lothus [2d\]: i am sure you dont know it, University of Silesia in Poland
BGAadmin [-\]: which confuses me as it's white to play
BGAadmin [-\]: but she says white is still in a terrible position
nightwolf [8k\]: id rather be black at this point ._.
BGAadmin [-\]: you do not seem to be alone there
Tooveli [5d\]: F4 instead of B3?
murrmurr [6d?\]: i prefer to stay a kibitzer
Tooveli [5d\]: (indirectely asking vanessa hopefully)
Ashleigh [9k?\]: You are right Lothus, but I deplore it anyway
Wood [11k\]: can white still live with d11 ?
Tooveli [5d\]: White was in a great position before E4
Lothus [2d\]: me too ashleight ;)
LaaMaiLee [2d\]: Wood, sure he could from here, but he has no time imo
Caode [10k\]: Warfie wat r u doin
Lothus [2d\]: wait will be in great position soon again, i am sure of that
Tooveli [5d\]: Lothus too strong fan
Uberdude [4d?\]: go is a long game
BGAadmin [-\]: Maria's just pointed out that we unexpectedly find them almost even on time - Nick's used 19 minutes, and Andrew 17 - and Andrew has just nipped off presumably to the loo
BGAadmin [-\]: (I have his phone, of course)
BGAadmin [-\]: Tooveli - Vanessa says you're right, f4 would have been better than b3
Tooveli [5d\]: Are the colours correct above? Andrew is White?
Caode [10k\]: Damnit. I was going to call him to give him advice.
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, Andrew's playing white this time
Tooveli [5d\]: just checking
BGAadmin [-\]: hence we have a white tablecloth
monk316 [2k\]: maybe he escaped
BGAadmin [-\]: if Nick was playing white, I'd have got a dark tablecloth so that his byoyomi stones stood out clearly
Tooveli [5d\]: ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick thought it was important I should tell you all that
Nyanjilla [-\]: uh-huh
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;W[dr]C[Tooveli [5d\]: I want to just F6 and proclaim victory on the left
Ashleigh [9k?\]: Apparently Silesia is a hotbed of research into amorphous drugs
Wood [11k\]: perhaps white is planning to sacrifice d11
Cobweb [2d\]: Wood - he can't give away the entire left
Tooveli [5d\]: and give up 50 points?
Wood [11k\]: why not, if he can get more elsewhere
Lothus [2d\]: yes, its quite famous because of institute of physics
Tooveli [5d\]: because - Black will likely not let him get 6th line territory elsewhere
Winc [2d\]: i wish i could just get more elsewhere when Im behind
Wood [11k\]: the top is worth something
asdsasdsa [12k\]: but not enough
LaaMaiLee [2d\]: top is still open and can't be enclosed with one move
Cobweb [2d\]: even if he adds a move the top can still be invaded
Wood [11k\]: hm
twisted [-\]: im guessing f4 is no longer anessas suggestion
Wood [11k\]: so where should black play now to capture the left ?
twisted [-\]: £vanessas
asdsasdsa [12k\]: c9 maybe
Cobweb [2d\]: F6?
Tooveli [5d\]: Does Vanessa have an idea for Black's next move?
fru123sa [7k\]: Maybe something like F6 to capture on larger scale?
nugatory [-\]: curious: are the tournament players allowed to listen to music during match?
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;B[br]C[asdsasdsa [12k\]: oh
Caode [10k\]: Only if it's traditional chinese/japanese/korean music.
Lothus [2d\]: oh oh
Caode [10k\]: B2? o_o
BGAadmin [-\]: nugatory - there's nothing in the rules against it, it would be up to the referee I suppose
asdsasdsa [12k\]: hm, second line play that early?
Lothus [2d\]: i said: wait , and this is true
twisted [-\]: b2 looks honte
BGAadmin [-\]: which in this case would be me and Maria and I don't know what we'd decide :)
Lothus [2d\]: now the war will come, and the warfreak of course will defeat normal guy
nugatory [-\]: interesting. i have a fun mental image of nick playing while listening to warf's newest album
Catlemur [11k\]: Listening to speed metal really loud.
Caode [10k\]: Krempel will crumple!
Lothus [2d\]: haha
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;W[gp]C[pippo2 [9k\]: why b2 ? d
Caode [10k\]: I'm tired. v.v;
Caode [10k\]: Yeah really, can someone explain b2 to me? :/
Lothus [2d\]: i dont know what does it mean caode, but it sounds very funny
sarabuga [2k\]: threat to cut
pippo2 [9k\]: aroud d9 seems better but i am not 876876 dan
Smilogo [4k\]: b2 is a big point for living for both groups
Lothus [2d\]: what is vanessa saying? that andrew is awesome?:)
twisted [-\]: b2 much bigger than it seems
pippo2 [9k\]: ok but d9 threat to maka a big territory
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ah, b2 to gain sente
Tooveli [5d\]: I think that andrew is losing
nightwolf [8k\]: im just lost .-.
Caode [10k\]: that's cause you're upside down.
sarabuga [2k\]: this joseki is difficult to understand without study
MissTake [4d\]: gh sloooooow move
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa is confused too. She doesn't understand g4
Lothus [2d\]: now nick will make a1 tesuji and all will be good
BGAadmin [-\]: well, she said she didn't understand 94, but I assume she means g4 :)
Smilogo [4k\]: because b2 w played g4 to secure
Lothus [2d\]: haha
asdsasdsa [12k\]: cut on f4 would be dangerous for the white maybe
Tooveli [5d\]: she's reading ahead
BGAadmin [-\]: she says there was no need to play a move here - to waste it, even - because the stone above is quite dead
BGAadmin [-\]: and white is giving away too many points
fru123sa [7k\]: was making a base for D11 stone not possible?
Tooveli [5d\]: wow - so Black tenuki?
BGAadmin [-\]: and - replying to the earlier question - no, there's nothing big enough to justify sacrificing d11
Lothus [2d\]: i think g4 is good, there was a weakness and black b2 was small so its good transaction
sarabuga [2k\]: w is threating to live
Winc [2d\]: lol Vanessa knows 1337
Tooveli [5d\]: I would be scared that White could just peap at the cut and jump out
MissTake [4d\]: sorry, but: if w C8 instead of G4, the situation is far from clear
Smilogo [4k\]: d11 is not dead i think :)
njyvu [6k\]: even e9 leaves so much aji
twisted [-\]: b should secure the left now i gues
MissTake [4d\]: that's right, but b can nicely patch up his shape
MissTake [4d\]: then D11 not dead, but quite lifeless ^_^
sarabuga [2k\]: hard to find best move
Lothus [2d\]: this game is fast
MissTake [4d\]: why? D9, of course
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's clock is back to 8 minutes more used than Andrew's
sarabuga [2k\]: lots of aji
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's used 29 minutes to Andrew's 21
Cobweb [2d\]: D9 seems funny shape
Wood [11k\]: suppose black captures the left side, does he need a move to kill d11 completely ?
MissTake [4d\]: b D9 is the vital point as regards D11's shape
MissTake [4d\]: and it also protects C5 group
Welvang [6d\]: d2 was really bad
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa implied not, Wood, but ... there must at least be aji!
MissTake [4d\]: it's perfectly valid
Lothus [2d\]: he need to atari it to kill it completly :p
Smilogo [4k\]: :)
Wood [11k\]: black can afford to tenuki then ?
Lothus [2d\]: :P
sarabuga [2k\]: tenuki bad
MissTake [4d\]: rather than killing, the idea for b ought to be to make it unatttractive for w to save his stone
MissTake [4d\]: as in: it's going to be so painful to live/escape, better give it away
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;B[cr]C[Lothus [2d\]: i think about k4, dont know why
sarabuga [2k\]: G4 = i'mgoing to exploit D5 if u tenuki
Lothus [2d\]: lol
MissTake [4d\]: OUCH
tezukazone [4d\]: ??
Lothus [2d\]: haha, sorry
sarabuga [2k\]: C2 = i panick
MissTake [4d\]: GOTE
tezukazone [4d\]: kyu move
MissTake [4d\]: ok, now for some TEWARI ^_^
sarabuga [2k\]: b can't take the tournament pressure
Lothus [2d\]: this is for sure? maybe its joke
Lothus [2d\]: what is vanessa saying now?
MissTake [4d\]: if b captures at D3, what about B2 ? ...
Lothus [2d\]: propably "omg"
Wood [11k\]: b3 b2 c2 , they all take 1 or 2 points ?
Tooveli [5d\]: This seems like a thinking too much move again
MissTake [4d\]: b B2 1 point negative, rather
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa's still sort of a move behind, she replies to MissTake's suggestion of C8 instead of g4 with "i dont know but probably as white has to do something about that stone coz sacrificing it is too big"
BGAadmin [-\]: and then she sees this c2 move and is astonished
Lothus [2d\]: :D
Caode [10k\]: *throws up hands* I give up. I have no idea what these two are doing.
BGAadmin [-\]: incidentally, when Nick played it Andrew said "if you wanted to atari why didn't you do it earlier?" and then we had to debate whether they can talk to each other about the game
MissTake [4d\]: understandably ^ _ ^ :DDD
nightwolf [8k\]: i thought c2 was small..
Uberdude [4d?\]: i just got back from the shower, is there a recording error?
Lothus [2d\]: i said, that andrew will be in better position in the next 10 moves
Nyanjilla [-\]: oh dear... chatting in the game?
Lothus [2d\]: no, uberdude
BGAadmin [-\]: yep :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa says this move is too small
MissTake [4d\]: bBADadmin: you made a mistake, admit it !
Nyanjilla [-\]: there's always the risk of verbal hamete....
BGAadmin [-\]: and it is the wrong time to atari
Cobweb [2d\]: Is Nick just really terrified of the C6 cut...?
BGAadmin [-\]: I didn't, MissTake, I promise! :)
nightwolf [8k\]: hah 8k power :)
Lothus [2d\]: this is a special strategy for yose move
Tooveli [5d\]: I think he was trying to read out which moves he can kill D11 with and realised that he wants to be able to atari downwards if White cuts d5 d6 c6 c7 and therefore ended up playing here because his brain got confused
quinza [8k?\]: So are they allowed to talk?
BGAadmin [-\]: we think not
quinza [8k?\]: :) Seems reasonable
Lothus [2d\]: so he just choosed wrong order?
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa is hugely amused - not by the move, but by the discussion about discussion :)
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ^^
Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
nightwolf [8k\]: what is hamete? ._.
maproomad [-\]: either of them may complain to the referee if the other talks
Nyanjilla [-\]: "trick move"
MissTake [4d\]: they're allowed to cheat, as long as it's keptsecret
Lothus [2d\]: i was said a1, it was near
nightwolf [8k\]: ah thank you
Welvang [6d\]: Seriously, what is c2 !!!!!
nightwolf [8k\]: c2 is small is what o.o
BGAadmin [-\]: right, I'm going to swap with Maria in just a moment to go and prep lunch
Welvang [6d\]: that's worse and worse
Wood [11k\]: even if black captures with d3 , white can answer e3 right ?
Caode [10k\]: I'll take a salad.
MissTake [4d\]: well: b C2 looks okay. It's just that b B2 looks funny, now ^_^
Welvang [6d\]: it's not ok
inte [?\]: right, b2 at c2 would've made sense
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;W[do]C[Javaness [3d\]: *\\o/* Go Wf2 *\\o/*
donkisot [6d\]: c2 not the worst move, probably he thinks c2 is a forcing move before defending at c7
Welvang [6d\]: cuz w won't answer
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ok?
MissTake [4d\]: huh? w did answer :-)
Welvang [6d\]: there were 3 horrible moves, d2 , g4 , and c2
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;W[cn]C[nightwolf [8k\]: at least they didnt play taisha XD
Welvang [6d\]: nope he didn't answer to atari
Lothus [2d\]: welvang why g4 was horrible?
Welvang [6d\]: g4 is too solid and the shape is weird
MissTake [4d\]: it's slooooow
Lothus [2d\]: better leave it weak?
yingwu [5d\]: what is this cut?
Welvang [6d\]: better ad a move like j4 *
yingwu [5d\]: now not much meaning...
donkisot [6d\]: what is c6? :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: he's gonna d7 after and squeeze to escape
Cybernoob [10k\]: isnt j4 to far
Welvang [6d\]: ..
Uberdude [4d?\]: this is the pinnacle of british go
Uberdude [4d?\]: behold ye foreigners, and tremble
nightwolf [8k\]: how is this cut going to work?
donkisot [6d\]: just c7 and c2 is working well
Wood [11k\]: c7 captures right ?
yingwu [5d\]: lol uber
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ^^
Catlemur [11k\]: Want some tea?
Wood [11k\]: wonder what matthew will be thinking if he sees this
Welvang [6d\]: the first game was ok, but this fuseki looks kyu
BGAadmin [-\]: vanessa seems to be thinking about these moves a lot (review wise), as does nick...
donkisot [6d\]: c7 good for black, d3 possible, s black is very good here
Catlemur [11k\]: The Anarchy in the UK (goban).
nightwolf [8k\]: hey some of us kyus could surprise you ._.
Wood [11k\]: it could be that the players just discovered a new joseki
nebulous [1k\]: B just atari and descend
Cybernoob [10k\]: which one? nightwolf
Cybernoob [10k\]: :)
nightwolf [8k\]: well if this is a new joseki i dont like it lol
Lothus [2d\]: i dont like this situation
Loxios [2k\]: joseki = a pro game
Lothus [2d\]: black c7 and d8 and what
nebulous [1k\]: c7
nebulous [1k\]: nothing for W
Lothus [2d\]: i am not sure
nebulous [1k\]: c7 b6 d7, nothing for W
inte [?\]: c7 b6 b7 d3 sente
nebulous [1k\]: sure
fru123sa [7k\]: c5 stones are not important?
nebulous [1k\]: ?
MissTake [4d\]: in any case, the timing of w C6 seems dubious
Tooveli [5d\]: Nick thinking for a long time - maybe he will R16
MissTake [4d\]: c7 b6 d3
yingwu [5d\]: c7 b6 b7 b4 d3 b5 c3 d7 e3 f4 e7 d8 c9 d9 c10 f8 a6 f7 a4 this is the plan?
cucurigu [2k\]: c5 stones are not in any danger, fru
Javaness [3d\]: I thought black would play c8
nebulous [1k\]: ok
MissTake [4d\]: erm, ying: could you say that again please? it went a little too fast for me ^_^
nebulous [1k\]: c7 then d3
yingwu [5d\]: if it was kaya you could read it nicely :)
MissTake [4d\]: sure, but without the coordinates :D
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is thinking for a long time over this... has used 42 mins for andrews 26
Juka [3d\]: c7 b6 d8
MissTake [4d\]: maybe playing with their eye phones. those young guys...
Tooveli [5d\]: Surely can only possibly start with C7 otherwise C2 was a pass
nugatory [-\]: hm, are the players allowed use of handheld electronic devices during the game?
Cobweb [2d\]: Nick is over-thinking this....
donkisot [6d\]: yingvu, the plan lokks good for black to me
nebulous [1k\]: yea, coordinates would be nice
MissTake [4d\]: he can't find the next move on kogo's dict
fru123sa [7k\]: thx yingwu.
Tooveli [5d\]: mo point reading out the whole sequence when only one next move
Loxios [2k\]: joseki books are allowed in hikaru
henryy [2k\]: is it possible to play c7 b6 b7 ?
MissTake [4d\]: go is a game of 3 levels
yingwu [5d\]: yes henrry its a choice
MissTake [4d\]: level 1: play on intersections
Shadowman [2d\]: c6 is incomprehensible for me
MissTake [4d\]: level 2: play good moves
yingwu [5d\]: also c7 b6 d3 seems interesting
MissTake [4d\]: level 3: play moves that make your previous moves look good
Tooveli [5d\]: I got level 1 sorted
yingwu [5d\]: when i go to go club lots of the old guys suck at level 1
MissTake [4d\]: heh like french fuseki
BGAadmin [-\]: he really is cobweb, massively paused, and engrossed in the game for the 1st major point...
inte [?\]: these intersections are too small :(
cucurigu [2k\]: i bet w+t :D
nebulous [1k\]: on Eurogotv?
Caode [10k\]: What are the times by the way?
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;B[dq]
;W[cm]
;B[eq]
;W[fp]C[MissTake [4d\]: well well
yingwu [5d\]: this way eh
Javaness [3d\]: what is F11 doing now?
Cobweb [2d\]: ...this game is really bizarre...
MissTake [4d\]: too easy for w eh?
nebulous [1k\]: looks no good for W
yingwu [5d\]: bizarre indeed
MissTake [4d\]: this way is GOOD for w
yingwu [5d\]: only e8 now it seems
Lothus [2d\]: what
MissTake [4d\]: b E8, w D8 !
yingwu [5d\]: sure but what else you donna do :)
Lothus [2d\]: i was absent for 5 minutes and my dreams come true
nesco [?\]: why did B wanted to be locked in the corner?
yingwu [5d\]: f7? seems a bit funky
cucurigu [2k\]: all this time to think for b only to come up with this?
MissTake [4d\]: now w gets a strong shape on L side
nebulous [1k\]: f7 perhaps
quicksand [1d\]: f8 ?
nebulous [1k\]: strong?
Loxios [2k\]: true g4 obviously wrong now
Lothus [2d\]: i prefere white now
Javaness [3d\]: I'm suprised Lothus!
Lothus [2d\]: oh, i prefere white since the first move
donkisot [6d\]: b2 is a wasted move, white should be better
cucurigu [2k\]: d6 looks like s***t now
nebulous [1k\]: W got 2 groups with no shape, 2 dangos
quicksand [1d\]: why is this good for w, c7 and g4 are weak
go [-\]: f7 is a capture, guess black needs to prevent that
Javaness [3d\]: D11 is happy
MissTake [4d\]: well, b has to save his cutting stones first, isn't it?
Javaness [3d\]: and E6 is about to die
Lothus [2d\]: now black has to fix his shape, white will get out d11 this way
BGAadmin [-\]: The times nick 50 mins and andrew 27 mins
MissTake [4d\]: so w gets a chance to patch up
nebulous [1k\]: save with f7
MissTake [4d\]: F7 = va g u e
Lothus [2d\]: and g4 isnt very bad shape, i dont see the way in which black can fix his shape and make weaker g4
Caode [10k\]: I missed all of that, what happened?
toadwarble [-\]: funny how both players longest thinks were leading up their worst moves must have my disesase
MissTake [4d\]: of course, you also have to compare to what could have been, if you want to understand the result
Cobweb [2d\]: Yeah - breakfast is probably right about the time limits
Lothus [2d\]: caode nothing new, Andrew is still winning
inte [?\]: does b have anything better than e8 now?
Caode [10k\]: nevermind, cloned and checked.
BGAadmin [-\]: too long?
donkisot [6d\]: i cant find a good move for black now, probably i am too weak for that :)
nebulous [1k\]: can you put coordinates, BGAAdmin?
inte [?\]: ? press ctrl-L
nebulous [1k\]: didn work
nebulous [1k\]: didn´t
MissTake [4d\]: btw, at this point w F2 is 90% sente
Lothus [2d\]: black is empty triangled
nebulous [1k\]: did
nebulous [1k\]: thx inte
nebulous [1k\]: ^l
Eliza [2k\]: coordinate lag?
BGAadmin [-\]: as the moves are played?
MissTake [4d\]: so D2 still has some use
nebulous [1k\]: f7 what does W do?
MissTake [4d\]: b F7 w D9
MissTake [4d\]: of course
MissTake [4d\]: then, there's still a gaping hole at F9 in b position
Lothus [2d\]: this is an example why high dans shuld not play empty triangles when they arent roln111
go [-\]: dunno, maybe there are better moves
BGAadmin [-\]: nebulous - do you mean as the moves are played.. i.e since move 27 d3 black, c7 white, e3 black , f4 white
donkisot [6d\]: e8 d8 k4 is the best sequence that i found for black but white is clearly better there
nebulous [1k\]: might follow f7 with h7
BGAadmin [-\]: if so yes :) i can
MissTake [4d\]: and all this, because b forgot to atari at C7 first
toadwarble [-\]: when are they breaking for lunch?
BGAadmin [-\]: although tell me if it stops being helpful nebulous..
nebulous [1k\]: no worries BGAadmin
BGAadmin [-\]: Very soon, Jenny is making lunch now - i can't leave my referee post to check what time it'll be ready, but we were aiming for approx 1 pm (pre-game discussion)
chibi [3d?\]: heja warfreak2! :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has gone deep into thought... i thought he had been practicing some blitz the last couple of weeks..
nebulous [1k\]: f7 d9 k4 MissTake?
nightwolf [8k\]: hej chibi :)
chibi [3d?\]: hej nightwolf ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick 59 mins, Andrew unchanged on 27 mins
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;B[el]C[BGAadmin [-\]: i like that this is where i had been looking for the last 20 minutes...
MissTake [4d\]: neb: sure, b can attack the w group, but - it's only 1 weak group
MissTake [4d\]: and b not too solid himself either
donkisot [6d\]: if i were white, i would d8 without hesitation here
MissTake [4d\]: of course
MissTake [4d\]: D8 standard shape
Javaness [3d\]: white will hesitate a little
Naab [7k\]: I like how everything is standard in go
MissTake [4d\]: i think b is still a little better in this position
polemus: liking that is also standard
Lothus [2d\]: d8 looks great
MissTake [4d\]: but... he could have been MUCH better ^_^
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;W[dk]C[polemus: OMG
MissTake [4d\]: yes ?
BGAadmin [-\]: im getting a little concerned that i have not heard anything from vanessa for 15 minutes now, despite suggesting many alternative moves - hopefully she's just nipped to lunch, and not had all inet blocked - that would be a disaster..
Lothus [2d\]: i dont understand, is this givving better shape for black because d8?
Lothus [2d\]: because of * :p
donkisot [6d\]: white is better here, regardless of his choice at the left
MissTake [4d\]: maybe... still, there's attacking potential on lower side
MissTake [4d\]: and b did get points in LL corner
Lothus [2d\]: not many of them
donkisot [6d\]: but b2 is worthless
donkisot [6d\]: it makes the difference
MissTake [4d\]: i think everybody is well aware of that, by now
MissTake [4d\]: then again, G4 doesn't look so brilliant either
Nebelmeer [1d\]: g2 for g4. both are useless, or?
Nebelmeer [1d\]: *b2
MissTake [4d\]: erm... B2 probably worse
MissTake [4d\]: G4 not very nice, but it does make w stronger
Wood [11k\]: c3 died and d2 is also rather dead, does that count ?
inte [?\]: but d11 lived
polemus: c10 obvious here ?
donkisot [6d\]: that counts wood but d2 still has aji
Lothus [2d\]: d8 c8 f9 d10 g9
nebulous [1k\]: eurogotv got student champ
donkisot [6d\]: d2 helps white f2
MissTake [4d\]: te big difference here is on the left side
MissTake [4d\]: if b had D9 instead of B2, the left was almost terr
nebulous [1k\]: yes, c2 was weak
MissTake [4d\]: now, left side looks rather like w terr
nebulous [1k\]: tuppence
Blaubaer [5d\]: y didnt b capture c6?
Cybernoob [10k\]: .
Cobweb [2d\]: Nobody knows, Blaubaer....
nebulous [1k\]: say B g7 then k4
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok thx Cobweb:-)
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;B[dl]
;W[cl]C[nebulous [1k\]: but B got not much for ceding top
Cobweb [2d\]: need to get something good out of attack on F4
MissTake [4d\]: mmm. is D8 a good move?
MissTake [4d\]: looks like auto dame to me
Blaubaer [5d\]: its not a mistake imo
nebulous [1k\]: gives W better eyeshape
polemus: b10 now ?
metapod [1k\]: it looks like bad aji-keshi
Cobweb [2d\]: if he means to E9 it helps?
MissTake [4d\]: still, b loses liberties
Lothus [2d\]: its extension from empty triangle, it couldnt look good
MissTake [4d\]: and, if w D8, b can still F6
nebulous [1k\]: b can k4 now
polemus: this move had an obvious followup, shoulnd no b have planned the move after it ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: ah ops d8 i read c8 :-)
BGAadmin [-\]: isnt black going to need to come back and play f 9 at some point so gives white an extra frree move
Blaubaer [5d\]: d8 may be wrong yes
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;B[fk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: haha, there we go
MissTake [4d\]: looks like a kyu move. sorry guys ^ _ ^
polemus: looks soft
Lothus [2d\]: looks like smart kyu move
Blaubaer [5d\]: fluffysoft
nebulous [1k\]: b11 kill?
metapod [1k\]: now black has lost peep aji and c8 cut aji for the gain of losing one of his own liberties...
Blaubaer [5d\]: k3 or l3 for me
donkisot [6d\]: f2 for me :)
nebulous [1k\]: W under pressure, B very thick
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok 1st f2
Lothus [2d\]: l4 for me
MissTake [4d\]: yes, w F2 sente
Blaubaer [5d\]: i dont get f9
BGAadmin [-\]: MissTake - that's why i said it :P i didnt say it was the best move.. but what i would be inclined to play (im ~ 5 kyu).. and what i thought black would end up neeeding to go back to at some point...
nesco [?\]: f9 isn't ajikeshi
nesco [?\]: I like it
Javaness [3d\]: war is not the answer
polemus: war is always the answer
MissTake [4d\]: if i were w, i would think about C12. get some handsome terr, while aiming at b thinness. let lower group take it's chances
BGAadmin [-\]: Jenny says - depends on the question Javaness :P
MissTake [4d\]: but of course, f2 e2 k3 also very attractive
philcredo [2d?\]: C10?
philcredo [2d?\]: for b
polemus: what is the followup to f2
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;W[dg]C[Lothus [2d\]: f2 is sente so it goes first
monk316 [2k\]: w needs a move on left, right?
Blaubaer [5d\]: i wouldnt answer f2 - b is behind?
MissTake [4d\]: bet then w E2 is HUGE sente...
nebulous [1k\]: thickness helps later
nebulous [1k\]: d13 nice move
nebulous [1k\]: no b11 now
monk316 [2k\]: e15
Blaubaer [5d\]: pros often counterpeep with c12?
Javaness [3d\]: pros don't have this position
donkisot [6d\]: nice comment javaness :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: hmmm y
Javaness [3d\]: i'd ignore this move and play J4
Javaness [3d\]: C14 has C17 open still
MissTake [4d\]: they do, but for entirely different reasons
nebulous [1k\]: e15?
MissTake [4d\]: so, SMART GUYS: b next move ?
Lothus [2d\]: r14 ;)
Javaness [3d\]: I don't see how black expects to win unless he profits from his wall
donkisot [6d\]: d14
Javaness [3d\]: so must attack G4 at once
Blaubaer [5d\]: b cant let w connect with d14 imo
Lothus [2d\]: or t15
polemus: h4
MissTake [4d\]: put up your hand if you're in favour of E15
Lothus [2d\]: i think he will just d14
Lothus [2d\]: this is good move
Lothus [2d\]: but i hope for t15
MissTake [4d\]: ok ok
Cobweb [2d\]: No sign of Vanessa?
Lothus [2d\]: the firewall blocked fb
Cobweb [2d\]: oh...
mof [1d\]: there is a proverb for this situation
BGAadmin [-\]: She has disappeared, as she was experiencing a dodgy internet connection...
mof [1d\]: he must have fallen asleep :)
BGAadmin [-\]: im hoping she is trying to make her way back to us..
Lothus [2d\]: no, she was in shock all the time
BGAadmin [-\]: though if she's fallen asleep, no chance :P
MissTake [4d\]: Go Proverb #7613439.3 : always peep back
Javaness [3d\]: is she commenting the game somewhere?
polemus: the quality of the moves being played caused her to black out
BGAadmin [-\]: it's having to be done through fbk chat.. and she's manually cloning the game from co-ordinates
MissTake [4d\]: Never Let Your Opponent Peep Alone
Lothus [2d\]: if black just connect white can f12 in future?
Blaubaer [5d\]: they dont have 3 hours each??
BGAadmin [-\]: we did not invisiage that she would not be able to use kgs in college when she tried it tuesday... :S we live and learn..
BGAadmin [-\]: I have just announced the next move is the sealed move
MissTake [4d\]: kgs in college... tsssk
polemus: THE sealed move? the legendary sealed move ?
BGAadmin [-\]: so that we can break an hour for lunch
MissTake [4d\]: yummi
Javaness [3d\]: what is for lunch?
Caode [10k\]: I asked for a salad. :/
Lothus [2d\]: all salad here is gone ;)
BGAadmin [-\]: Jenny has done a selection of cold food / sandwiches and salad i believe - with garlic bread and pieces
MissTake [4d\]: Sauteed Stone Avalanche
Vic [?\]: I need steak and strong drink
nebulous [1k\]: pieces of what?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 1 hour 22 mins, Andrew 33 mins
mof [1d\]: he should deliberate for an hour more
mof [1d\]: then play d14
mof [1d\]: ... :)
cucurigu [2k\]: soon, Nick is gonna' regret that use of time
toadwarble [-\]: he always does doesn't he
MissTake [4d\]: no problem, he won't have time to think about that
Muttley [2k\]: nah, Nick used a lot of time because he was in a hurry to get to lunch
Lothus [2d\]: :))
Loxios [2k\]: lunch:[
TobyM: P9 O9P7 )7 Q8 N8
Lothus [2d\]: its a ko ko
Cobweb [2d\]: ko seems good for white
Cobweb [2d\]: he has local threats
meuns [1k\]: no politics please
meuns [1k\]: kokomunists are in anotehr room
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;W[om]C[monk316 [2k\]: black only big threat is l15
piksieben [8k\]: it also works the other way around?
RubberDuck [?\]: black should have played r5 and s6 when i said, then r8 is strong at a good time
donkisot [6d\]: forcing black to ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: We are going to take a break in 20 minutes - and will implement another sealed move.... I will announce at 16.08 to the players...
polemus: p9 !
Javaness [3d\]: a second break?
polemus: w cannot get both q7 and o7
Muttley [2k\]: Is Nick going to be able to eat a second lunch in that time?
Kanin [-\]: itäs all good for white, j13 was too kyu-ish
arcturus [-\]: Needs more salmon!
Lothus [2d\]: why do you want to have another break?
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;B[nm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: only for fresh air and biscuits, not for a 2nd lunch...
monk316 [2k\]: this side means white want s him to play ko, right?
meuns [1k\]: no beer ? OO
Javaness [3d\]: everyone wants him to play ko
Lothus [2d\]: i want him only to go away ;p
murrmurr [6d?\]: not wanting a ko is unpatriotic
meuns [1k\]: even weak
Wood [11k\]: p9
Javaness [3d\]: we will fight this ko on the beaches
monk316 [2k\]: well, at p9, didn't black have the option to just push through with n8?
no6655321 [4k?\]: at sunset?
RubberDuck [?\]: no ko now, white can try o9, then p9, q7, p10, o6
BGAadmin [-\]: We will suggest the break in 15 mins, and if they want to play on then fair enough.
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;W[ok]C[Lothus [2d\]: i suggest brake when nick will have 1 minute byo left
Lothus [2d\]: break*
polemus: oh my god the ko is really going to come TRUE
arcturus [-\]: if they throw stones when the break is suggested, that means no
BGAadmin [-\]: hehe
monk316 [2k\]: he can actually n8 now
BGAadmin [-\]: means something else in our ref rule book..
aitkensam [-\]: this game could go on until like 21:00 if andrew decides to use his time
huioplk: tough ko for b
BGAadmin [-\]: it really could...
goren2 [3k\]: he cannot n8
meuns [1k\]: painful
Kanin [-\]: thersult is pretty much decided now though
Koukkaaja [3d\]: p8 looks like phail
Kanin [-\]: black has not htreat
RubberDuck [?\]: n8 is back in the ko, q7 then r8 is huge for black, but maybe n12 then gets attacked
BGAadmin [-\]: we're going to have to arrange an alarm system, and take regular naps if it goes on too long...
monk316 [2k\]: yeah, n8 b loses a lot
Javaness [3d\]: was it a good idea to pick referees who get bored by a game of go? :)
polemus: actually wait what is wrong with n8 again ?
BGAadmin [-\]: Not at all bored, the train from Nottingham had huge problems, so very sleep deprived - exciting game keeping me alert though :)
monk316 [2k\]: but it saves n11 for sure
Javaness [3d\]: is black considering not bothering with the ko
Lothus [2d\]: how much time left for nick?
RubberDuck [?\]: n8 then n9 is still a ko anyway, but white dies very cleanly
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick 6 minutes remaining
TobyM: N8 O8 N10 N7 o11 - and what des B have?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew 2 hours and 6 minutes
goren2 [3k\]: n8 does not save n11
arcturus [-\]: if black wasn't going to play ko,he should have thought about it before now...
BGAadmin [-\]: (remaining)
Lothus [2d\]: thank you
polemus: oh right that n10
Koukkaaja [3d\]: maybe b thinking what he sould have done instead
Javaness [3d\]: N8 then N9 surely?
mof [1d\]: how old is black?
goren2 [3k\]: n8 o9
Koukkaaja [3d\]: 180 min older
monk316 [2k\]: you are right
mof [1d\]: hehe :)
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;B[nk]
;W[pl]
;B[ml]C[polemus: KO !!
BGAadmin [-\]: 28?
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;W[mm]C[arcturus [-\]: does he have a beard?
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;B[ol]C[Javaness [3d\]: pretty old
Koukkaaja [3d\]: b can ignore ko threat
mof [1d\]: your guess is as good as mine :)
BGAadmin [-\]: nope
BGAadmin [-\]: neither player does
Javaness [3d\]: J9 please
piksieben [8k\]: is this the ko for the championship?
aitkensam [-\]: feels like b have to ignore cos he cant possibly win the ko...
polemus: r5 pretty big threat for b
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;W[ik]C[goren2 [3k\]: j9/
Kanin [-\]: w wins the ko in sente, so...
aitkensam [-\]: b will die whole top right if losing ko though..
aitkensam [-\]: so gotta q7 and then pray for magic later i spose...
Javaness [3d\]: the gathering
goren2 [3k\]: q12
Wood [11k\]: there can be only one
dguy [1k\]: take
polemus: no way
aitkensam [-\]: how many moves were there in game 1?
Javaness [3d\]: quite a few
Lothus [2d\]: Andrew *\\o/*
RubberDuck [?\]: black can play ko using l15 threat to make j15 and a glorious dango
twisted [-\]: c10?
aitkensam [-\]: this could be the shortest championship move wise ever
njyvu [6k\]: w seems to lose nothing if he doesnt win ko
arcturus [-\]: b can always m7?
hgtg: k8 only
toadwarble [-\]: B must be close to B-Y now???
monk316 [2k\]: l7
polemus: k8 or res
RubberDuck [?\]: i agree with k8, too many points around j10 going away
mof [1d\]: if I were black, I would play 2 stones now
TobyM: I don't think the ko threat ws big enough. Was E9 a good threat?
BGAadmin [-\]: nick has 2.5 mins lefft till byomi..
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew hasd 2 hours 2.5 mins left till overtime...
goren2 [3k\]: k12, b will get another move if w takes ko.
Javaness [3d\]: byoyomi is so luxurious
Caode [10k\]: *\\o
goren2 [3k\]: (q12)
polemus: actually d10 might be workable
Caode [10k\]: o/*
Javaness [3d\]: i think Sam is right, Q7
Lothus [2d\]: "black 10 minutes time left begin"
aitkensam [-\]: w has at least 3 more threats if answer this
Javaness [3d\]: I imagine that they don't have a digital clock, so they count out the stones each time
BGAadmin [-\]: it's not digital
BGAadmin [-\]: analogue clock
piksieben [8k\]: if b q7 then g4 group comes back from the grave?
Lothus [2d\]: i wanted clock to scary him
aitkensam [-\]: quite possibly...
BGAadmin [-\]: OVERTIME
BGAadmin [-\]: for nick
BGAadmin [-\]: counting stones
monk316 [2k\]: can someone say if this would be ok:l7 o8 n9 o6 m7
TobyM: If Q7 G6 then K8 - can W make 2 eyes?
oneplaygo [-\]: not really monk
Koukkaaja [3d\]: l7 is blunder
Lothus [2d\]: overtime? it doesnt sound like byoyomi
oneplaygo [-\]: k7 would be more proper as opposed to l7, l7 ladder is too good for w
aitkensam [-\]: well nick got 11 moves further before byo-yomi this game, pretty fast!
twisted [-\]: k7 silly
oneplaygo [-\]: yes, but still more proper then l7
oneplaygo [-\]: my opinion
Mitvailer [2d\]: l7 o8 n9 m7 o6 k7
polemus: r17 b a nice ko threat someday
BGAadmin [-\]: .. he plays with the time he's given though very well.. the overtime is especially long with already particularly long main time
aitkensam [-\]: so did they decide to break? or did 16:08 get missed? :)
hgtg: Why is b thinking about?
twisted [-\]: is w j8 sente?
Muttley [2k\]: b might be thinking about end the ko ...
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;B[pm]C[Muttley [2k\]: indeed.
mof [1d\]: ending the ko is very good for endgame with the black stuff
hgtg: ??
polemus: @@@@
Muttley [2k\]: well, it must be sente
mof [1d\]: very much a free hand after that
BGAadmin [-\]: we got too engrossed in the game 4.11 shall be set instead
aitkensam [-\]: r8 is a fun question for later now, if the game gets that far...
goren2 [3k\]: k7?
Muttley [2k\]: else fighting the ko was pointless
alfi [3k\]: j7
BGAadmin [-\]: sealed move announced...
Dyonn [?\]: I would use my opponent's time to think at this stage
monk316 [2k\]: b must g6?
aitkensam [-\]: if nick has to fix around h7 it'll be painful i guess
Wood [11k\]: somehow f5 does not look completely dead anymore
piksieben [8k\]: what do the dans think now, who's ahead?
RubberDuck [?\]: g6 no need, white g6 gets h7
Javaness [3d\]: R5 R8 combo
TobyM: J7 better than K7, it threatens j5 while still capturing the three stones
aitkensam [-\]: right javywavy
BGAadmin [-\]: So andrew is thinking about his sealed move,
Javaness [3d\]: complicat
oneplaygo [-\]: whose ahead or not shouldn't matter since it looks like it might come down to end game
polemus: sealed moved better be k8
BGAadmin [-\]: Ooo he's just about to write it...
aitkensam [-\]: don't do an ogata!
MrEmDash [1k\]: lol
MrEmDash [1k\]: has to be k8
BGAadmin [-\]: and the board has been covered, and we're leaving the room for a 20 minute tea break
MrEmDash [1k\]: yay!
RubberDuck [?\]: next black r8 is big, so is c17
BGAadmin [-\]: see you at 16.35
Caode [10k\]: Heh. tea.
BGAadmin [-\]: (if not a bit before)
hgtg: tea break?
RubberDuck [?\]: r8 needs to be soon before white finds r2
oneplaygo [-\]: BGA(British go association)
oneplaygo [-\]: they have tea time
hgtg: Are they british?
BGAadmin [-\]: we are british
BGAadmin [-\]: and now we're going to have tea :)
BGAadmin [-\]: ttfn!
hgtg: haha
Lothus [2d\]: my lunch got burned because of this game :p
oneplaygo [-\]: tea time is a time set out in britian for people to relax from their days hardships for a short time.
alfi [3k\]: j7
oneplaygo [-\]: thats my take anyway
oneplaygo [-\]: BGA, what is the current clock time in your area?
TobyM: 16:15
oneplaygo [-\]: H
oneplaygo [-\]: Ah
hgtg: [[[[[[[[[|||||\]\]\]\]\]\]
oneplaygo [-\]: right side fighting might be interesting
aitkensam [-\]: if f5 still solidly dead, i think nick still has a game
aitkensam [-\]: at least its still very fightable
oneplaygo [-\]: there is now negotiating, F5 is dead till w tries to say otherwise
TobyM: Is F5 solidly dead if W plays J7?
TobyM: If W does not follow up on his ko thret, B will play K8, thne moves like M15 might get interesting
aitkensam [-\]: w gotta kill the three stones i guess
oneplaygo [-\]: ah yeah k8 was the move I was looking at. I have a kgs disease to read numbers and letters one - two space off base
aitkensam [-\]: unless he has some really crazy plan :)
mof [1d\]: it is not possible
mof [1d\]: you can't play a threat and then not execute it
oneplaygo [-\]: yes you can
mof [1d\]: in that case he would have played the other move instead
oneplaygo [-\]: Some threats are there just so you can play else where
oneplaygo [-\]: like in a important ko fight, using other threats to keep the ko
Wood [11k\]: k8 looks quite big
Backflash [6k\]: its not
Uberdude [4d?\]: what happened to the left side?"
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Are these games in person?
TobyM: yes
Wood [11k\]: yes
aitkensam [-\]: you don't know that joseki uber/
Backflash [6k\]: do we have video?
aitkensam [-\]: ?
TobyM: I don;t think so
Javaness [3d\]: no video or commentary :(
TobyM: video woudl be pretty boring
Backflash [6k\]: not always
aitkensam [-\]: commentary would be nice, i thought breakfast did it well for game 1
polemus: b should've just p9 originally, perhaps
TobyM: A commentary was arraqnged, Vanessa was going to do it but it got fouled up by the technology
alfi [3k\]: what title are they fight for ?
TobyM: British Champion
mof [1d\]: west surrey bantam go
Caode [10k\]: Tea master.
alfi [3k\]: thx
cuby [4k?\]: are all the 5d and 6d+ in this room currently thinking "grr if only i was british, i could RULE"
frozensoul [6d\]: lol
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Not particularly.
Eternauta [?\]: wots wrong with the english
frozensoul [6d\]: i would be like
frozensoul [6d\]: grrr i wish i was british so i can kill everything
peter2 [2k\]: think of the money and respect you are losing out on ... none and none
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Thinking is a shame they're so weak.
Ashleigh [9k?\]: I blame the education system
LonelyJoy [6d\]: And surprised they're not stronger.
WestEvil [6k\]: blame is manga
Eternauta [?\]: yeah
frozensoul [6d\]: lol
cuby [4k?\]: it doesnt seem to make any sense that their field isnt stronger
Eternauta [?\]: anime is destroying western culture -- JEan Giraud
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Mhm.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Are they the strongest two players, or are there others?
cuby [4k?\]: there's others
Eternauta [?\]: there are a couple of very striong british players
cuby [4k?\]: the strongest dude seems to be semi-retired
Uberdude [4d?\]: andrew is the strongest regular player now
mof [1d\]: yes there are, but it is saturday afternoon, all the good players are watching football and drinking lager
Eternauta [?\]: kerwin?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: How strong?
Eternauta [?\]: or mcfadyen?
cuby [4k?\]: macfadyen
Eternauta [?\]: ok
Eternauta [?\]: dont forget Warfreaky
cuby [4k?\]: we could never forget our warf!
Lothus [2d\]: why he is here as 4 d
TobyM: James Kerwin is, I believe, American
donkisot [6d\]: black is leading right?
Javaness [3d\]: Vanessa is the strongest in the ratings
aitkensam [-\]: i feel black is playable yeah
Uberdude [4d?\]: he lost so much gor in poland he's only 4d now =)
cuby [4k?\]: this is probably an appropriate venue to plug warfreak's latest album :) go support his music as well as his go! http://warfreak2.org.uk/greenlightgo/Theory_of_Everything
Javaness [3d\]: i wonder what sort of tea they are drinking
aitkensam [-\]: but b in overtime which has to be optimistic for w with so much game left...
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;W[jm]C[Frel [-\]: black tea made of coffeebeans, most like
BGAadmin [-\]: we return!
Lothus [2d\]: hoho
BGAadmin [-\]: none of us actually had any tea for tea. Mostly we had Jaffa cakes
BGAadmin [-\]: and a discussion of conspiracy theories
Caode [10k\]: I've had those!
RubberDuck [?\]: imo black should re5, s6 then choose c16 c17 or d15
aitkensam [-\]: maybe b should c8, make e9 be sente, seems to kill f5 that way
cuby [4k?\]: are jaffa cakes any good? just recently learned about them
Caode [10k\]: Learned they're not pronounced like the Jaffa from stargate. :(
Yise [1k\]: Indeed
BGAadmin [-\]: RubberDuck - so it's still playable for both sides? I've come back in having lost track rather while Maria was relaying and the board is confusing me a lot
Javaness [3d\]: R8 please
donkisot [6d\]: c17 big, h7 big, r8 big difficult to choose
Uberdude [4d?\]: was there a recording error and n12 was actually n13 squeeze?
RubberDuck [?\]: f5 already dead, b can h10 in sente to make eyes
donkisot [6d\]: probably uberdude
aitkensam [-\]: apparently not uber but it seems very liekly...
cuby [4k?\]: how much aji is left in G4 now?
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber - the board and the screen look identical to me
Uberdude [4d?\]: given nick's c2, i wouldn't put missing it past him
donkisot [6d\]: just the order is probably different
aitkensam [-\]: hehe
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has had 6 minutes of his overtime, and used 2 stones
Uberdude [4d?\]: but then white's capture rather than m14 is inexplicable
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;B[id]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: bga admin, yes the end result would be the same
Catlemur [11k\]: Why can not a 6 dan player come here just for a few days and teach us something..
Lothus [2d\]: another suprising move
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber - ah, fair enough. Then I cannot be quite sure :)
arcturus [-\]: j16?
Uberdude [4d?\]: but n12 should be at n13
Uberdude [4d?\]: because in this order white would not l14
BGAadmin [-\]: I see
Uberdude [4d?\]: as a pro said during a review
arcturus [-\]: apparently, they played that sequence pretty fast
Eternauta [?\]: if you want really good music check Fragile album from Yes
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm afraid I don't know, but I'm sure they can tell us later :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: when the student said "so i got it almost right, the right moves but the wrong order"
Uberdude [4d?\]: "go is move order"
BGAadmin [-\]: mmm
LonelyJoy [6d\]: BGAadmin, what, out of curiosity, are Jaffa cakes?
BGAadmin [-\]: they are a kind of biscuit - a cakey biscuit (in the cookie sense), with an orange-flavoured jam on top, and dark chocolate on top of that
Caode [10k\]: Yeah they're really gross.
Caode [10k\]: but, was worth it.
RubberDuck [?\]: even more true in bridge - play all the right cards,...
Uberdude [4d?\]: they are cakes, not biscuits, as they go hard not soft when stale
BGAadmin [-\]: they are very exciting for accountants because whether they're a cake or a biscuit affects the sales tax (VAT) on them, and it went to court and everything
Uberdude [4d?\]: the UK courts have agreed
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Huh.
aitkensam [-\]: good old cookie tax
Javaness [3d\]: please don't advertise biscuits in the game
cuby [4k?\]: lol
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;W[hf]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: Fascinating.
arcturus [-\]: more evidence that the british are sometimes crazy
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick must play 8 stones in 4 minutes. And yet he sits and ponders.
RubberDuck [?\]: now g15 looks good
TobyM: Biscuits are hard and go soft if you leave them out. Cake is soft and goes hard if you leave it out.
Lothus [2d\]: 8 stones in 4 minutes? it has to be such stressful for him
LonelyJoy [6d\]: G15 looks very bad.
BGAadmin [-\]: biscuits have, relatively, been cooked more, hence the name (translates as "twice cooked") and thus have lost more moisture
toadwarble [-\]: I don't whether the VAT court decided it on that basis
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;B[ge]C[junheng [8k\]: My brain is soft and gets even softer if I go out
BGAadmin [-\]: hmm, RubberDuck and ...
BGAadmin [-\]: aha, Nick agrees with RubberDuck not LonelyJoy :)
donkisot [6d\]: rubberduck, you are seriosly strong i guess
BGAadmin [-\]: RubberDuck is the current British Go Champion
BGAadmin [-\]: for at most another 8 days, if we have to repeat this game next week :)
donkisot [6d\]: cool, nice to meet you :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew is indecisive; hovering over g16 hesitantly
aitkensam [-\]: rubberduck strongest brit player ever
twisted [-\]: RubberDuck what are your thoughts on J16?
BGAadmin [-\]: and wihdrawing it again
polemus: b is going to try and kill everything ?
cuby [4k?\]: warf won't take chances here
RubberDuck [?\]: j16 is trying hard to make k7 a mistake, he wants to have a base on the upper side
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;W[he]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: Matthew Macfayden
LonelyJoy [6d\]: ?
twisted [-\]: trying for a sqeeze ply?
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;B[ee]C[Eternauta [?\]: i dont like empty triangles
twisted [-\]: thx
RubberDuck [?\]: now e15 then g16 looks nasty for w
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;W[cc]C[aitkensam [-\]: c17 played fast
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;B[gd]C[hgtg: Pro like empty triangles.
twisted [-\]: ah of course thx\]
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah - though not quite as fast as KGS, I got a smidgen of lag on e15
donkisot [6d\]: e15 seems careless to me
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 3 minutes and 6 stones of this overtime
aitkensam [-\]: well he is in end of byoyomi period, thats when careless happens...
BGAadmin [-\]: I miscount; 5 left
polemus: if you empty triangle is best move, you play it. positions override proverbs
RubberDuck [?\]: this gives black b15 sente which helps his c12, c10 plan
polemus: you think *
LonelyJoy [6d\]: After G15, H13 - H12 - F13 looked interesting.
polemus: g13 ?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: G13.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Sorry.
RubberDuck [?\]: yes but black can e12 sente any time if hes not looking to c12
Caode [10k\]: O_O
aitkensam [-\]: push through at h15 would be really nasty for w that way too
LonelyJoy [6d\]: What does that do?
RubberDuck [?\]: white should r2 now, its worth over 20 points
LonelyJoy [6d\]: (earlier in the sequence, not now.)
goren2 [3k\]: why not r14?
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;W[gc]C[RubberDuck [?\]: white cant close the right side in one move, so r14 only big if r8 is a problem for w. hence r2
TobyM: R14, O17 are sort of meai
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;B[fc]C[Eternauta [?\]: h14 seemed a mistake
Uberdude [4d?\]: black might want to r17 for cash
Eternauta [?\]: now black has chances to win
RubberDuck [?\]: white got to c17 which was the big point , so maybe h14 clever
Eternauta [?\]: g13 !
donkisot [6d\]: i dont think black is playing well at the top
Lothus [2d\]: me too, because i have clicked it out
Lothus [2d\]: :P
TobyM: OK, so what after G13 H12?
Javaness [3d\]: resign sequence
Tabellion [4k\]: how shoul he played better in your opinion ?
Tabellion [4k\]: donkisot*
Lothus [2d\]: resign?
donkisot [6d\]: tenuki aybe :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: is this really that big?
Eternauta [?\]: g13, h12 f13
Uberdude [4d?\]: living at 3-3 seemed bigger
goren2 [3k\]: so - how to play by b is w e16?
donkisot [6d\]: before j16 play r8 or r5
Tabellion [4k\]: playing something like r14 maybe ?
cuby [4k?\]: is this match best of 3 5 or 7?
Muttley [2k\]: what is going on, got called away :))
aitkensam [-\]: 3
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Oh - I'm being silly.
donkisot [6d\]: c17 was huge i think
LonelyJoy [6d\]: G4 isn't connected to anything. :-)
Eternauta [?\]: g4 is connected to death
donkisot [6d\]: g4 will kill k4 :)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: :-)
BGAadmin [-\]: cuby: best of 3. So if Andrew wins, it's over. If Nick, we have another game next week.
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;W[hc]C[Muttley [2k\]: "good luck with that, donkisot" :)
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;B[ed]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: Is glaring pretty fiercely at it.
donkisot [6d\]: r2 plz
Lothus [2d\]: r2
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;W[le]C[aitkensam [-\]: nick must relly believe in the d15 aji
cuby [4k?\]: thanks
Lothus [2d\]: :(
twisted [-\]: r17 or r5 bigger?
RubberDuck [?\]: now black has c10 then d15, b15, c13, very dangerous
donkisot [6d\]: m15 makes r17 huge :)
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;B[qc]C[sasa264 [7k\]: How much time left?
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;W[pc]
;B[qd]C[aitkensam [-\]: r17 good for getting some of the byoyomi stones out :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 1 minute, 1 stone
Javaness [3d\]: in theory they could play until midnight
LonelyJoy [6d\]: E16 looked fine for White, no?
RubberDuck [?\]: but r2 is enormous because of weffect on r8
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew has an hour and 47 minutes plus overtime
Uberdude [4d?\]: r14 for sente?
sasa264 [7k\]: BGAadmin, thanks!
BGAadmin [-\]: you're welcome!
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;W[qe]
;B[re]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: ok double hane
Uberdude [4d?\]: then b does the q18 cut var
cuby [4k?\]: double haneeeeeeeee
Javaness [3d\]: S16 trick play
aitkensam [-\]: if double hane b will q18?
donkisot [6d\]: s14 q18 pls :)
reprisal [3d\]: resist q18 surely
Eternauta [?\]: triple hane!
polemus: if double hane b can r14
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick goes into his second overtime period
reprisal [3d\]: with m15 there i think b q18 var is overplay
Uberdude [4d?\]: polemus, yes, but ponnuki on this side is smallish
Uberdude [4d?\]: as n12 strong
Uberdude [4d?\]: corner is big
Muttley [2k\]: according to score est, white ahead
Uberdude [4d?\]: sente is big too though
polemus: r18!
Wood [11k\]: q15
Uberdude [4d?\]: you mean r18 s18 s14 q15 r14 q18 p18 r19 o17 ?
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;W[pe]C[oneplaygo [-\]: hmm
Wood [11k\]: good move
aitkensam [-\]: seeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnttttttteee
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Could maybe Q15 for sente.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ah.
aitkensam [-\]: is what it screams
Eternauta [?\]: s13 ?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: :-)
Uberdude [4d?\]: s13?!!!
hgtg: r 14
Muttley [2k\]: I have a feeling sam that it is you doing the screaming :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: s13 shape is v bad
Wood [11k\]: I feel like a 6d
Uberdude [4d?\]: has s14 problem
reprisal [3d\]: q15 is nice
LonelyJoy [6d\]: The corner with the double hane looked bigger.
Uberdude [4d?\]: m15 atari now looks bigger than black eating f16
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ah - but Black can resis the double.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Never mind.
Muttley [2k\]: yes, but you're missing one thing, LonelyJoy
LonelyJoy [6d\]: R2 is gigantic.
Muttley [2k\]: Warfreak has a degree in maths
Muttley [2k\]: so he can't count.
polemus: indeed
Mariusz [2k\]: g6
cuby [4k?\]: i will never ever get over how brits pluralize "maths"
inte [?\]: counting is easy, you just need 1 and the successor and induction. :)
BGAadmin [-\]: both of them are serious mathematicians
Muttley [2k\]: case rests.
Uberdude [4d?\]: do you say mathematics or mathematic?
oasthouse [-\]: Short for mathematics which has an 's' at the end
BGAadmin [-\]: cuby: do you singularise "physics"?
BGAadmin [-\]: ooh, hello, oasthouse :)
aitkensam [-\]: haha cuby angered the english
inte [?\]: but it gets unwieldy at successor of successor of successor of successor of 1 or thereabouts :)
cuby [4k?\]: biologies :)
BGAadmin [-\]: (Am. Not. English. Etc. :) )
Muttley [2k\]: cuby, we forgive you for various things
oasthouse [-\]: hi there
Muttley [2k\]: but not "math"
LonelyJoy [6d\]: "Physes".
cuby [4k?\]: musics?
twisted [-\]: or throwing away perfectly good tea
reprisal [3d\]: we'll trade math for centre
Javaness [3d\]: lets face it, the english have no idea how to speak their own language
Wood [11k\]: black tenuki ?
oneplaygo [-\]: I spit my tea out at old ladies and lost puppies XD
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;B[pb]C[oasthouse [-\]: How about "a wayS away" or "a savingS" ?
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;W[ob]
;B[ql]C[oneplaygo [-\]: tea is disguesting
arcturus [1k\]: boom@
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;W[rl]C[oneplaygo [-\]: disgusting*
aitkensam [-\]: nick spending a lot of time so early in his byo period
polemus: bang!
goren2 [3k\]: a svavings is wrong
Muttley [2k\]: I am disappointed in you all for the low quality of this game commentary
goren2 [3k\]: savings
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;B[pk]
;W[qk]C[Muttley [2k\]: even if I am guilty too.
Wood [11k\]: nice
arcturus [1k\]: can make a super ponnuki diamond
Lothus [2d\]: r2 soon?
aitkensam [-\]: i wanna see him mess with the aji on the left
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;B[pl]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: No time.
oneplaygo [-\]: w just made a jollyful approach to atarti the single black stone
cuby [4k?\]: i want Q2 sooo bad
hgtg: ?
oneplaygo [-\]: black defends said stone
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew has just made a noise I cannot transcribe
BGAadmin [-\]: sounded rather like a horse
cuby [4k?\]: lolol
inte [?\]: snorting?
BGAadmin [-\]: as a response to Nick's move
aitkensam [-\]: pffrrfftt
BGAadmin [-\]: mm, something like that, sam
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Q2 is bad endgame.
Javaness [3d\]: drug test him
arcturus [1k\]: psychological warfare
Uberdude [4d?\]: this does look rather crap
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Lol.
Muttley [2k\]: he has studied sakata's behaviour too much, guess
oasthouse [-\]: Can black do anything at C12 and C10?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Sakata?
Wood [11k\]: s10 ?
mof [1d\]: maybe he got some tea up his nose?
Muttley [2k\]: EIo Sakata was known for making comments during his games
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe nick is trying to beat andrew with an even more impressive dango than i made
BGAadmin [-\]: we have had to tell them off for talking so many times
Lothus [2d\]: as "you suck"?
goren2 [3k\]: he's doing the " say hello to may little firend\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' scene
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;W[rf]
;B[rb]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: Particular sorts of comments?
BGAadmin [-\]: we threatened to disqualify them both and declare ourselves Champions
BGAadmin [-\]: discussing whether moves were good or bad
oneplaygo [-\]: Blacks says here's my little friends Mr. Debbie.
TobyM: is top R now Ko?
oasthouse [-\]: This doesn't seem sound for B
Uberdude [4d?\]: q8 is such a bad move even if sente
Uberdude [4d?\]: as you lost ko
Muttley [2k\]: mainly they were cries of anguish at his own bad moves, got him the nickname "Whining Sakata" in the Nihon ki-in
Uberdude [4d?\]: better to just tenuki to s14
LonelyJoy [6d\]: (About Sakata)
Muttley [2k\]: when his moves weren't that bad, just gamesmanship really
LonelyJoy [6d\]: :-)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Interesting.
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, it came from his own story :)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: I can see how one might get that...
Muttley [2k\]: black's either dying or taking gote top left?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: "Whining Sakata"... "Whinnying"...
Uberdude [4d?\]: or ko
BGAadmin [-\]: gamesmanship is to be frowned upon. Except when it's things like the referee disqualifying all the players and declaring themselves to have won
Lothus [2d\]: blac has ko propably
BGAadmin [-\]: top left or top right, chaps?
Uberdude [4d?\]: ko is alright as if you win trash w's top
Lothus [2d\]: with weak group of white on right lower corner its nto good to play it
donkisot [6d\]: i prefer black here
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Not gote.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: P19 is semi-sente.
alfi [3k\]: f18?
Lothus [2d\]: i prefere of course white.
RubberDuck [?\]: black has any amount of ko stuff at d15, even if he cant live on the left (looks like some kind of ko to me)
ikill12 [1k\]: w ahead?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ah - huh. I'm being silly again.
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew is twitching rather more than he was earlier; Nick has a surprising amount of hair for someone who fiddles with it so much during play.
goren2 [3k\]: d15 is the move
cuby [4k?\]: lonely, don't forget, G4 isnt attached to anything ;)
Uberdude [4d?\]: could just tenuki until you decided if q19 ko or s16 let liv ein gote
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ko it is.
LonelyJoy [6d\]: ;-)
Uberdude [4d?\]: as b p19 doesnt live so cleantly
Javaness [3d\]: why hasn't he started the ko
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Is much more interesting when groups are attached to other ones in other dimensions.
aitkensam [-\]: ko is heavy for w too
Javaness [3d\]: is he thinkingg of r2
Lothus [2d\]: i would play r 2
Uberdude [4d?\]: because s16 might be better
ikill12 [1k\]: maybe he doesnt have enough threats
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;W[rm]C[Wood [11k\]: simply tenuki again ?
Javaness [3d\]: r9 seemed an odd choice
Wood [11k\]: right
BGAadmin [-\]: was that a guess, Wood? If so, nice one :)
TobyM: was not r2 better?
Javaness [3d\]: quite possible
RubberDuck [?\]: now black can o18 cos w is scared of ko
goren2 [3k\]: b b15
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Yes.
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 5 moves and 5 minutes, he's using this overtime more smoothly than the last one
aitkensam [-\]: mm o18 nice idea
Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah o18 and play the elft side as threats
bonta [1d\]: are these pro or amateur 4 and 3d?
Uberdude [4d?\]: cos then doesn't matter if you die by mistake =)
BGAadmin [-\]: amateur, bonta. Britain doesn't have pros :)
reprisal [3d\]: :)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Amateur.
ninjago [9k\]: hi
reprisal [3d\]: immunity against accidental death, thats a nice thing to have
oneplaygo [-\]: Amateurs aren't bad, if they would take it seriously enough.
Lothus [2d\]: isnt andrew 5 d? why he has 4 d here?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes he got awarded 5d
BGAadmin [-\]: he said earlier his current GoR was not respectable enough for 5d. I haven't checked it :)
Cobweb [2d\]: he has a 5d certificate, but his actual rating fell a fair bit after Poland...
Uberdude [4d?\]: but he is barely a euro 4d now
Uberdude [4d?\]: he would be a 3d in czechia
Caode [10k\]: I blame Lothus.
Lothus [2d\]: i know, i was in poland ;)
TitanPupil [-\]: what title is this? amateur title of?
Lothus [2d\]: blame polish vodka
donkisot [6d\]: he would be kyu in Turkey
Caode [10k\]: Too busy making out.
BGAadmin [-\]: British Go Champion, Titan
Uberdude [4d?\]: i blame you :p
goren2 [3k\]: zubrowka
TitanPupil [-\]: thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick now has 2 minutes and 5 stones
Uberdude [4d?\]: actually i thank you lothus =)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: So, is RubberDuck competing?
Uberdude [4d?\]: as i beat him
BGAadmin [-\]: a fact of which he seems to be well aware
Lothus [2d\]: he will grown soon, anyway he is officialy 5 dan
BGAadmin [-\]: LonelyJoy - no
Lothus [2d\]: so i protest
TobyM: what happened in Poland?
Uberdude [4d?\]: andrew lost a lot
oneplaygo [-\]: a lot of stuff happened in poland
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;B[nb]C[LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ah - but he's the reigning champion?
BGAadmin [-\]: he is indeed
Uberdude [4d?\]: the combined british team donated about 250 gor to poland
Cobweb [2d\]: I gained gor :)
LonelyJoy [6d\]: So, not defending the title.
Uberdude [4d?\]: martha was the only one to not be so kind
BGAadmin [-\]: correct
LonelyJoy [6d\]: I see.
summerb [7k?\]: wow
Uberdude [4d?\]: i would have gained had i not played a gote ko threat in my last game :-s
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder if I made Andrew's coffee too strong or if he's twitching because of the game. Or both ...
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, Uber, how careless!
oneplaygo [-\]: Like I said Urber a lot of stuff happened in Poland, but what happened to them in Poland stays in Poland until we can find humor in it.
summerb [7k?\]: Who's adminning?
unicornz [1k\]: gote ko threats are the best way to establish your dominance
Wood [11k\]: q19 looks like a nice atari
reprisal [3d\]: q19 starts a huge ko
BGAadmin [-\]: summer: Jenny Radcliffe and Maria Tabor. Jenny has the machine at present
polemus: q19 p19?
aitkensam [-\]: i really dont mind who wins this game, i just hope it doesnt end on time, that would be v sad :(
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah, agreed
Tooveli [5d\]: not as much happened in Poland while I was there :(
summerb [7k?\]: Jenny Radcliffe... the name sounds familiar.
BGAadmin [-\]: I've done this relaying before
oasthouse [-\]: Can't white just play P19?
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;W[oa]C[BGAadmin [-\]: he seems to think so, yes
]
;B[oc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and now Nick has 4 stones and not a lot of time
]
;W[nc]C[piksieben [8k\]: b just need to confuse w sufficiently now to win on time
reprisal [3d\]: well theres a lot of forced moves available here
piksieben [8k\]: sorry vice versa
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, but are they costly to use, reprisal?
reprisal [3d\]: depends if you need ko threats or not :)
]
;B[qf]C[polemus: o17 interesting move
Lothus [2d\]: in poland now we have sort of championships too, and 4k won with 3 d
mof [1d\]: bgaadmin, you can always add a little extra time for him, the players might not notice
Uberdude [4d?\]: who lothus?
summerb [7k?\]: I thought it was simpkin...
Wood [11k\]: s16 ?
SadPlayer [-\]: s16 ?
Lothus [2d\]: the 3 dan was nickless ;)
Uberdude [4d?\]: or q14
oasthouse [-\]: Q14 then S16
BGAadmin [-\]: simpkin is indeed my other name, summer
Uberdude [4d?\]: q14 looks best
oasthouse [-\]: B has nothing in this
Wood [11k\]: ok
Lothus [2d\]: and i havent eevr heard about this 4 k
polemus: s16 ?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Q13?
nnnn2007 [1d\]: why r14 move
LonelyJoy [6d\]: *Q14.
BGAadmin [-\]: time panic, I think, nnnn
nnnn2007 [1d\]: aha
]
;W[rd]C[nnnn2007 [1d\]: thx
]
;B[od]
;W[mb]
;B[nd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: poor nick
maproomad [-\]: how much time has each left?
reprisal [3d\]: looks grim
Lothus [2d\]: go andrew!
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;W[mc]C[Javaness [3d\]: is this for real
Uberdude [4d?\]: even just p16 was better than r14
BGAadmin [-\]: this is real, Javaness
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is now onto his next overtime, so can calm down
BGAadmin [-\]: he has just commented on his bad moves
reprisal [3d\]: but now slilpping away in cash
Detroit [2d?\]: who are the players?
oneplaygo [-\]: well... what did he say abotu them?
aitkensam [-\]: can still live in corner :-p
reprisal [3d\]: w got s7 and paid nothing for it
Muttley [2k\]: what is the byo conditions?
Muttley [2k\]: move a minute/
BGAadmin [-\]: Detroit - Andrew Kay is white, Nick Krempel is black
Detroit [2d?\]: thx
Muttley [2k\]: ?
BGAadmin [-\]: muttly: 10 stones, 10 minutes
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Overtime is 10:00/10?
Muttley [2k\]: thank you
BGAadmin [-\]: apologies for missing your e out
BGAadmin [-\]: I am nearly as adrenaline-ated as the players
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe, no worries
Muttley [2k\]: I've been called worse
Caode [10k\]: hey, invent your own byo system.
oneplaygo [-\]: I already have
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;B[se]C[piksieben [8k\]: black upper right dead?
Eternauta [?\]: doesnt work
Wood [11k\]: s17 ?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Not yet.
polemus: funny move
Uberdude [4d?\]: fakesuji
Javaness [3d\]: S17?
Eternauta [?\]: last desperate try
Eternauta [?\]: it seems this suji doesnt work here
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 9 stones, 9 minutes; Andrew has 94 minutes.
]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]C[Wood [11k\]: lol
piksieben [8k\]: looks dead to me now
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Wow.
basicpract [-\]: now he is dead
Uberdude [4d?\]: well done andrew, new british champion
Lothus [2d\]: \\o/
BGAadmin [-\]: don't count his chickens, Uber, just in *case*
RubberDuck [?\]: w just filled his own liberty
Javaness [3d\]: my mom could kill this
Caode [10k\]: *\\o/*
BGAadmin [-\]: jinxinh things would be bad
BGAadmin [-\]: or jinxing them
Eternauta [?\]: q14
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Ther aren't any more rounds left?
polemus: q19
LonelyJoy [6d\]: *There
BGAadmin [-\]: Lonely - not if Andrew wins
polemus: for b
]
;W[pf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: it's a best of three
LonelyJoy [6d\]: I see.
]
;B[sc]C[Javaness [3d\]: why did they decide on a best of 3
Muttley [2k\]: heh
LonelyJoy [6d\]: Hehe.
nnnn2007 [1d\]: what 's black try to do now?
Muttley [2k\]: corner lived
oasthouse [-\]: W could have killed B
BGAadmin [-\]: Java - best of 5 was too hard to coordinate, no one had enough days
oasthouse [-\]: T14, right?
Uberdude [4d?\]: why t14 didn't work
Uberdude [4d?\]: anyone give sequence?
oasthouse [-\]: it did work as far as I can see
summerb [7k?\]: Wasn't the BGC best out of 5 in the past?
Caode [10k\]: dahell?
BGAadmin [-\]: summer - until last year, yes
Uberdude [4d?\]: b squeezes but has to come back to n15
Muttley [2k\]: Caode, language dude
summerb [7k?\]: oh
oasthouse [-\]: now B got something
polemus: sequence is q19 o19 t18
basicpract [-\]: maybe felt bad :P
Wood [11k\]: no need to humiliate opponent i suppose
Uberdude [4d?\]: s19 kills that polemus
Javaness [3d\]: ponnuki for kicks
Muttley [2k\]: hope springs eternal in the humant breast
Caode [10k\]: :/ My bad?
LonelyJoy [6d\]: White's simply not reading.
polemus: err oops
BGAadmin [-\]: at risk of sounding very rude indeed, IME Andrew doesn't mind humiliating kyu players when he beats us up
Muttley [2k\]: no worries :)
polemus: i can't count difference between 3 and 4 apparently
oneplaygo [-\]: W to black He made a sporting effort let me reward him so kindly.
huffle [1d\]: w had to q14
dutch2dan [1d\]: ponnuki now?
summerb [7k?\]: So Matthew MacFadyen lost to Andrew Kay last year?
Uberdude [4d?\]: huffle, sequence please
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;W[sf]C[Caode [10k\]: He makes me feel bad every time he reviews a game of mine. >.<
]
;B[sd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: no summer
]
;W[qg]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: matthew beat nick
Muttley [2k\]: didn't matthew forego defending his title?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, this year
summerb [7k?\]: ahh
BGAadmin [-\]: this year, yes. So he's still champion right now :)
Muttley [2k\]: heheh :)
RubberDuck [?\]: yup, too old, not hungry enough
Uberdude [4d?\]: andrew did badly in challengers league last year
summerb [7k?\]: I see
oasthouse [-\]: These last moves are not W's finest
smonds3 [3d\]: This is a tourney for all BGA or just BGA admins?
Uberdude [4d?\]: he only lost to oasthouse this year =)
shapedown [1k\]: perhaps Matthew could be British Champion Emeritus
oasthouse [-\]: hehe
]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: c12 time
Wood [11k\]: the rest is yose
Uberdude [4d?\]: go go gadget invasion
twisted [-\]: Matthew, full retirement?
oneplaygo [-\]: uberdude no!
oneplaygo [-\]: That is an isult to inspector gadget
RubberDuck [?\]: just c10, then d15, c13. black can still win by +r
TobyM: except for all the aji on the left
oneplaygo [-\]: insult*
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's got 5 stones and more than 5 minutes! Extraordinary!
piksieben [8k\]: so... who's ahead?
smonds3 [3d\]: C12 for black does have some promise
Uberdude [4d?\]: c10 c11 probably?
RubberDuck [?\]: r10 is about 20 points
Wood [11k\]: one of them must be leading
Wood [11k\]: but thats just a guess
smonds3 [3d\]: white has more points if the right remains as is
smonds3 [3d\]: *left
TobyM: o14 quite large
Eternauta [?\]: h7
Muttley [2k\]: but gote for white, so leave it and play R10?
Javaness [3d\]: i don't think it matters how much time black has
RubberDuck [?\]: p14 better than o14
TobyM: What about W J5?
Eternauta [?\]: why played r2? seems bad at trhis moment
smonds3 [3d\]: black should try C12 or C10. Imo
Uberdude [4d?\]: r2 and then tenuki can be good yose
RubberDuck [?\]: f18 aims to kill d16
Uberdude [4d?\]: as it means w has got yose there
Uberdude [4d?\]: rather than r2 sente yose
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, gote not got?
twisted [-\]: man up and c10
BGAadmin [-\]: now Nick has perhaps 3.5mins for his 5 stones
Uberdude [4d?\]: *got gote yose
BGAadmin [-\]: :)
nnnn2007 [1d\]: w ahead now that 's rigth
Uberdude [4d?\]: w should h6 when black is short of time
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;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]C[mof [1d\]: no, that is cheating
smonds3 [3d\]: er. cannot really endorse this type of play
basicpract [-\]: not cheating, it is using all the tools you have :)
]
;B[gk]C[Eternauta [?\]: j8 definetely wrong
mof [1d\]: a gentleman does not use all the tools
]
;W[hl]C[mof [1d\]: :)
Wood [11k\]: oh, ladder
reprisal [3d\]: but presumably h6 has been read out already
Uberdude [4d?\]: mogo style ladder
]
;B[hm]C[basicpract [-\]: a competitor in a tournament does :)
]
;W[im]
;B[gl]
;W[kl]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah reprisal, but you forget in byo yomi
Uberdude [4d?\]: at least i do
SadPlayer [-\]: c10 ?
Javaness [3d\]: overtime atari
Uberdude [4d?\]: that's how nick beat me =)
BGAadmin [-\]: and we return to Nick's 10 stones, 10 minutes
smonds3 [3d\]: a waste to have that happen...
reprisal [3d\]: you were in byo against nick?
reprisal [3d\]: sounds like you were doing something wrong, if his reputation is true :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, i am worse at time than he is now
Wood [11k\]: j5 next ?
Javaness [3d\]: that's because your blue jumper has a hole in it
BGAadmin [-\]: there are a number of players who can get into time trouble as well as Nick. Uber, Oasthouse ... Dave Ward ... erm ... that may be it :)
summerb [7k?\]: Oasthouse = ?
Javaness [3d\]: most of us could if we wanted to
basicpract [-\]: uberdude, is that why you like correspondence servers?
BGAadmin [-\]: there wasn't a single game in the Challenger's League that didn't have at least two of the slow players playing each other
quinza [8k?\]: And woo to the organizers when any of them play each other :)
BGAadmin [-\]: you said it, quinza
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes basic
basicpract [-\]: no time pressure at all :)
smonds3 [3d\]: white has already won. even if black can make a reduction or slip in around C10 or C12 white still has too many points
BGAadmin [-\]: at London last year I made Uber and Nick report their result to me in the bar because it had got so late
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh i get into time rpssure on OGS too =)
basicpract [-\]: :P
polemus: g13 looks like fun
Uberdude [4d?\]: almost lost a game due to a gote time tesuji in the middle of an urgent fight
quinza [8k?\]: I recall a game in Durham where both players were in their fourth overtime
oasthouse [-\]: C12 or C10 first?
quinza [8k?\]: I believe Uber was one of the players
basicpract [-\]: wow.
smonds3 [3d\]: C12 1st,
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm trying to remember when Uber last came to a Durham tournament ...
Uberdude [4d?\]: at maidenhead i got thought 10 in 5, 20 in 5, 30 in 5, 40 in 5, and half way through 50 in 5
quinza [8k?\]: wow
Javaness [3d\]: did you clock bash?
Uberdude [4d?\]: and i managed to win a lost game whilst doing so =)
polemus: anyone wanna comment on w g13 sequences ?
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;B[ci]C[quinza [8k?\]: Did you just so impress and confuse your opponent with speedy play?
Javaness [3d\]: life and death practice
matchfree8: g13 h12 f13 e13 doesnt work
oasthouse [-\]: Heh, halfway between C10 and C12
]
;W[cj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: well c10 looks nice shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: time to show us nick
goren2 [3k\]: b15
Wood [11k\]: c12
RubberDuck [?\]: i dont see how this is supposed to work
Uberdude [4d?\]: me neither
arcturus [1k\]: why give white the perfect shape?
Javaness [3d\]: why do you assume it is supposed to work?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm not sure from Nick's expression whether he does either, tbh
basicpract [-\]: misclick, he meant c10 _>
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe he misclicked
piksieben [8k\]: undo plz
Wood [11k\]: how can you misclick on a real board ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: clumsiness
reprisal [3d\]: it takes advanced training
quinza [8k?\]: Squint wrong
Eternauta [?\]: by droppint the stone
basicpract [-\]: wood, watch HnG :P
RubberDuck [?\]: black has a playable yose with r10, r11 but it looks like no big kill now
Eternauta [?\]: dropping
oasthouse [-\]: B needs to attack upper left
oasthouse [-\]: but seems hard
smonds3 [3d\]: B16 now
RubberDuck [?\]: if Andrew can sit on his hands and count properly he should win
BGAadmin [-\]: I think Nick has 5 minutes perhaps a smidgen less, and 9 stones. I think. I can't quite count the stones, because of his hand.
Javaness [3d\]: he can't play stones if he sits on his hands
]
;B[ch]C[tibul3 [3k\]: use face
BGAadmin [-\]: toes!
quinza [8k?\]: He has toes
basicpract [-\]: it is a shame the top right lived. Would have been pretty over
Uberdude [4d?\]: matthew, i think w can answer c11 at c10 to keep teritory, so just a reduction?
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe that's why nick c11
Muttley [2k\]: I once played in a British Junior tournament game using my feet to move the pieces
piksieben [8k\]: where did w play to allow b t17?
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;W[dh]C[polemus: matchfree: try f12 instead of f13
basicpract [-\]: q14
BGAadmin [-\]: Muttley - do I know you? In person, I mean?
Muttley [2k\]: After about 10 moves I gave up because I couldn't move the pawns in front of the king and queen :)
BGAadmin [-\]: heheheh
Muttley [2k\]: I don't know, BGAAdmin :)
Muttley [2k\]: it was a protest against the controllers who real control freaks
BGAadmin [-\]: well, I've identified myself, you work it out :)
Lothus [2d\]: b15 doesnt work?
Muttley [2k\]: did you? I got called away on admin stuff a few times :0
]
;B[ce]
;W[de]
;B[bd]C[goren2 [3k\]: so you're good in chess?
Muttley [2k\]: so I don't know if you do know me
]
;W[bc]C[Muttley [2k\]: around 2100-2200
goren2 [3k\]: let me test you out
BGAadmin [-\]: oh - I'm Jenny Radcliffe at the moment. (Sometimes today I've been Maria Tabor. Might be again if this doesn't stop soon.)
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe :) yeah you do know me :)
BGAadmin [-\]: but Nick has 6 stones and 2 minutes, so ...
polemus: i know a person who might be able to help you
goren2 [3k\]: quick 5 min game
Muttley [2k\]: hi Jenny :))
RubberDuck [?\]: b17 at b10 was cleaner
polemus: w must b13 eventually
]
;B[bj]
;W[bk]
;B[aj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: ko ko ko !
BGAadmin [-\]: hi, Muttley, whoever you are :)
Wood [11k\]: can that live ?
BGAadmin [-\]: another ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: oh crivens!
]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]C[polemus: b13 c13 a12 i think
Uberdude [4d?\]: i dunno, i just read get strong at kibitz
Muttley [2k\]: I'll let you know after the game, don't want to interrupt your game transcription
Lothus [2d\]: no ko
BGAadmin [-\]: phew
Uberdude [4d?\]: well that was easy
oasthouse [-\]: If A10 was at B12 then maybe something?
goren2 [3k\]: you wanna play mutt?
RubberDuck [?\]: a10 at b12 was ko??
Muttley [2k\]: it's a go server :)
]
;B[fb]C[arcturus [1k\]: !!
]
;W[hn]C[Lothus [2d\]: \\o/
]
;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]C[reprisal [3d\]: so, gg
goren2 [3k\]: easy log in into another server. no password necessary
BGAadmin [-\]: that was ... precarious, on the time front
Muttley [2k\]: not really, I've nothing to prove and I've played too many users with bots in my time :)
]
;W[io]
;B[ip]C[goren2 [3k\]: trust me, no bots here. but i dont think you're 2100
Muttley [2k\]: ok, then I'm not :)
basicpract [-\]: seems silly to lie about it though :P
Muttley [2k\]: I'm 1200, is that easier?
goren2 [3k\]: yep. why lie?
gospiller [6k\]: lol
polemus: get a room you two
BGAadmin [-\]: so, games of go ...
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;W[mo]C[Muttley [2k\]: I didn't, just making you happy :)
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, sorry BGA :)
RubberDuck [?\]: looks like time to organise the delivery of the John Barrs Go ban. Nice one Andrew.
smonds3 [3d\]: yawn...
basicpract [-\]: we know that you can only get up to 9 in any legitimate ranking system anyway :P
gospiller [6k\]: n6 what then?
BGAadmin [-\]: darn, I've been enjoying this, was kinda hoping to do it again next week
smonds3 [3d\]: black lost so long ago...
Wood [11k\]: n6 m6
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;B[mq]C[TobyM: Is not Q2 biggest yose?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'll have to go to Epsom and do some actual playing myself instead
basicpract [-\]: q2 is gote
reprisal [3d\]: playing is bad for your health
Muttley [2k\]: you not up in Durham still?
Uberdude [4d?\]: r10 bigger
polemus: r10 biggest yose i believe
BGAadmin [-\]: Muttley - no, been South nearly a year
Muttley [2k\]: oh right
Wood [11k\]: q11 even bigger
smonds3 [3d\]: o14 also large
BGAadmin [-\]: hence being able to host a title match game
RubberDuck [?\]: n14 is game over
Muttley [2k\]: right
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;W[gg]C[quinza [8k?\]: Hey Jenny, we were supposed to try to help each other play more... if you're still interested in that, e-mail me
polemus: ahh finally
]
;B[hh]C[polemus: f12
BGAadmin [-\]: good point, quinza, I will drop you a line
smonds3 [3d\]: f12 doesnt go anywhere
Uberdude [4d?\]: its trying to be sente reduction
Uberdude [4d?\]: but b can live on top
]
;W[fh]
;B[fg]C[arda99: gg
]
;W[eh]
;B[gh]C[FreshTooth [3d\]: title match?
FreshTooth [3d\]: what title?
Muttley [2k\]: hard for white to lose now
BGAadmin [-\]: British Go Championship
Muttley [2k\]: British Ch
]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[qs]C[polemus: r10 !
Muttley [2k\]: white has his fingers in the cookie jar
monk316 [2k\]: can someone say if c13 instead of a10 was a seki?
smonds3 [3d\]: so are these the two best players in GB?
BGAadmin [-\]: interesting question
summerb [7k?\]: Supposedly. :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: monk, b12 looked like ko
RubberDuck [?\]: black p14 and try to make magic around l18???
asdsasdsa [12k\]: i think some better ones didnt take part
BGAadmin [-\]: possibly not, but they're the ones who've put themselves forward to try to claim it
Uberdude [4d?\]: no smonds
Muttley [2k\]: smonds, hard to say "best" with a number of high dans in the UK
monk316 [2k\]: cool
monk316 [2k\]: can you check c13, uberdude?
Muttley [2k\]: they are up there :)
Javaness [3d\]: check the rating list
]
;B[ha]
;W[ia]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: no magic
Uberdude [4d?\]: play the sente yose for guaranteed loss
smonds3 [3d\]: a KGS 4d and 3d for BGA championship seems a little weak or no?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
Dragoness [4d\]: r10 big
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;B[ga]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: britain is weak
]
;W[ib]C[Lothus [2d\]: you are weak :P
BGAadmin [-\]: and several strong contenders didnt play. 3, off the top of my head
smonds3 [3d\]: i know i'm weak!
polemus: all of you could arrange yourselves into a single team and i'd beat you
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew Mac, Vanessa Wong, and Chong Han had to drop out because of exams
BGAadmin [-\]: er, only Chong dropped out, rather
BGAadmin [-\]: mm, parsing
Lothus [2d\]: kgs isnt a place to judge people with their ranks, i am 3 kyu and what
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, come on Nick ... I need a drink ... :)
Tooveli [5d\]: KGS ranks are 100% accurate
Javaness [3d\]: polish 3k though
summerb [7k?\]: What about Bei Ge?
]
;B[qj]
;W[rk]
;B[pi]C[Wood [11k\]: according to the scorething black is winning
BGAadmin [-\]: yep, he's another strong non-competer
smonds3 [3d\]: Also, I'm a little diappointed if this goes beyond mve 200.
asdsasdsa [12k\]: Oo
BGAadmin [-\]: the scorething may not agree with us about life and death, Wood
smonds3 [3d\]: b/c there is honor in resigning
Javaness [3d\]: O14 please
Javaness [3d\]: stone eatingness
basicpract [-\]: even if the white left is dead, Black is only 50 points ahead :P
Uberdude [4d?\]: o2
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;W[rj]C[basicpract [-\]: thanks SE
Uberdude [4d?\]: or sorry o14 bigger
Javaness [3d\]: C2 wasn't so bad after all
asdsasdsa [12k\]: may i ask if b14 would kill the whole left black group?
Muttley [2k\]: it is already dead asd
Uberdude [4d?\]: its already dead
smonds3 [3d\]: its totally dead
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ah, k :D
BGAadmin [-\]: note that c11 is in atari
Muttley [2k\]: if black plays B11, white plays A12
Javaness [3d\]: he didn't see A12
Lothus [2d\]: c2 was for andrew great
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;B[nf]
;W[mf]C[Muttley [2k\]: then if A13, B14 is atari, and black only has one eye
Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm only ko
Uberdude [4d?\]: r11
asdsasdsa [12k\]: thanks:)
Uberdude [4d?\]: kill r13 if win ko
mof [1d\]: well, one eye is better than no eyes.
Muttley [2k\]: yw
AppleEye [1k\]: Couldn't black do something better than A10? (I wasn't here for a while)
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
Uberdude [4d?\]: b12 ko
monk316 [2k\]: p14
AppleEye [1k\]: I see
AppleEye [1k\]: is white ahead now?
Lothus [2d\]: of course:P
AppleEye [1k\]: :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: dont forget to q19 nick
Lothus [2d\]: this is an end of the game
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;B[me]C[oasthouse [-\]: B12 ko or C13 seki
oasthouse [-\]: (instead of A10)
polemus: letting that ko happen was game losing imo
Lothus [2d\]: n16?
Sweet [4d\]: r11 is the biggest
asdsasdsa [12k\]: yeah
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;W[md]C[Lothus [2d\]: \\o/
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think lothus is sending andrew secret text messages
]
;B[lf]C[AppleEye [1k\]: ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew's phone is off, and I think I'm sitting on it as well :)
quinza [8k?\]: He could have gotten a phone implant :)
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ^^
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;W[qi]C[BGAadmin [-\]: kathy, you scare me sometimes :)
quinza [8k?\]: :)
Lothus [2d\]: time for resing?
Javaness [3d\]: can you search andrew to be sure?
Wood [11k\]: with a metal detector ?
BGAadmin [-\]: Java - I think I'd need ot get Mike to do it, tbh, Maria or I doing it would be inappropriate
BGAadmin [-\]: and I don't have a metal detector
toadwarble [-\]: He might like it
no6655321 [3k?\]: i doubt it
Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah w 25 up
Uberdude [4d?\]: nothing more to do
Javaness [3d\]: resign
BGAadmin [-\]: 7 stones, 5 minutes ...
summerb [7k?\]: I think he built a computer into his brain and is spectating this game
BGAadmin [-\]: a networked computer at that?
summerb [7k?\]: wifi/3G connection
quinza [8k?\]: A non-networked computer would be less fun
BGAadmin [-\]: he's not using the wifi here, we haven't approved his mac address
reprisal [3d\]: hahha
BGAadmin [-\]: it would need to be 3g or similar
Wood [11k\]: about 25 points difference now ?
reprisal [3d\]: so is there a big trophy? fabulous cash prizes?
BGAadmin [-\]: a large Go board to keep for a year, I believe
asdsasdsa [12k\]: what do yu think of black n6?:)
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;B[mn]C[Javaness [3d\]: i thought there was some dosh too
asdsasdsa [12k\]: lol
asdsasdsa [12k\]: xD
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;W[ln]
;B[lm]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: £250?
Muttley [2k\]: wow, I left this game on the grounds beat the rush for the car park when black resigns
BGAadmin [-\]: nice one, asdasdsa :)
Muttley [2k\]: but it is still going ..
reprisal [3d\]: sort of
BGAadmin [-\]: there's a cash prize, but not £250, I think
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;W[lo]
;B[jo]
;W[jn]C[Lothus [2d\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: another ko, just what I'e always wanted
Lothus [2d\]: no ko
Uberdude [4d?\]: l6 l5
Cobweb [2d\]: white has L5
Uberdude [4d?\]: no ko for you
T4L0N [2k\]: Not a ko
BGAadmin [-\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: so it isn't. My brain broke. Hours ago.
polemus: what's biggest now
reprisal [3d\]: resign
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ^^
Uberdude [4d?\]: white's smile
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;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[dc]
;W[cd]
;B[nq]
;W[mf]
;B[bi]
;W[ah]C[Lothus [2d\]: doesnt work
T4L0N [2k\]: B is behind by a fairly large amount
quinza [8k?\]: How many overtimes has Nick had?
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;B[lf]C[Javaness [3d\]: 7
BGAadmin [-\]: I've lost count
Muttley [2k\]: about 20-25 behind on the board
BGAadmin [-\]: I'd have to go back and look at what move we started overtime at
]
;W[hp]C[polemus: any idea why b has not just o15 already ?
Lothus [2d\]: hoho, two kos
Lothus [2d\]: ok, one and a half
BGAadmin [-\]: that's about four too many, right :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Maria thinks it's been 5 overtimes
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew's used 99 minutes
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;B[go]
;W[mf]C[monk316 [2k\]: white can throw-in at o15 for ko threat and price of ko goes up?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
Uberdude [4d?\]: but w is miles ahead
Uberdude [4d?\]: just do it simple
polemus: what is b doing ..
BGAadmin [-\]: thinking, by the look of him
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;B[pa]
;W[na]
;B[lf]C[piksieben [8k\]: this ko isn't about much, is it
Wood [11k\]: perhaps there is still a tesuji hidden somewhere
TobyM: p11 quite large
polemus: d7
AppleEye [1k\]: d7 loses points
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think w shold a19
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;W[oi]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: just for kicks
Lothus [2d\]: :))
BGAadmin [-\]: that would be rude
polemus: i like it
BGAadmin [-\]: I would apply a Roadsesque reprimand
Muttley [2k\]: Top right hand corner, black group: bent 4 in the corner
Muttley [2k\]: isn't that therefore dead?
BGAadmin [-\]: aside from the eye at s17, you mean?
asdsasdsa [12k\]: isnt there another eye ready already
polemus: you sure you're 2k ?
Muttley [2k\]: :)
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;B[oj]
;W[mf]
;B[ma]
;W[la]
;B[lf]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: where is BigDoug when you need him?
]
;W[ph]C[Muttley [2k\]: I'll just boot myself, Uberdude
Lothus [2d\]: ok, the new champion is...
asdsasdsa [12k\]: ok, thats it
polemus: i hope you've learned a lesson from this
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick says "ah, the old gote ko threat" so he needs reprimanding again as well
Wood [11k\]: congratulations to the new champion
BGAadmin [-\]: honestly, what do you *do* with players who *both* flagrantly ignore the specified rules?
BGAadmin [-\]: bang their heads together?
polemus: BGAadmin: pretend like they're not, obviously
quinza [8k?\]: Gags?
Lothus [2d\]: what type of rules?
polemus: or make the rules more hospitable
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus - we said they weren't supposed to discuss the game during the game
piksieben [8k\]: SE says B+2.5
Uberdude [4d?\]: l5 is biggest
Lothus [2d\]: maybe he is talking to himself
BGAadmin [-\]: SE is confused, how unusual
asdsasdsa [12k\]: but thats SE
quinza [8k?\]: SE also thinks dead stones are alive
Lothus [2d\]: not to the oponnent
T4L0N [2k\]: Pik left side is dead
inclement [2d\]: Does that mean they can't play moves with obvious intentions?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew has gone for more jaffa cakes
inte [?\]: well, let them both lose ...
T4L0N [2k\]: B left side
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh or b6
BGAadmin [-\]: inte: and define the referees as champions? that was my theory
Wood [11k\]: just what if se is correct ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: thats large too
Uberdude [4d?\]: this is sente
inte [?\]: well, the old reigning champion will be the new by default, right? reinstated for lack of successor ...
Lothus [2d\]: so the rule is to not make any sounds because the referees will took the title ?:P
BGAadmin [-\]: hmm, that's also an option
Uberdude [4d?\]: if b doesnt want to fight ko
Uberdude [4d?\]: w has o11 tesuji
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus: sounds like a good threat :)
quinza [8k?\]: Or disqualify them both and start again with all the other contenders? :P
splashy [1k\]: how much money does the winner get?
LastPoet [-\]: Just give it to uberdude
polemus: now cut at o13 seems to work
inte [?\]: but do you really think this is affecting the game outcome?
BGAadmin [-\]: frankly, no
Javaness [3d\]: you may be overestimating the power invested in the referee position
BGAadmin [-\]: in this case, the discussions have been harmless
Lothus [2d\]: what is a point of this threat? to make rweferees feel better?:P
polemus: the rules are there for the benefit of the players, not the referees :D
quinza [8k?\]: How much time left on Nick's clock?
BGAadmin [-\]: there is potential for it to cause problems, however, and it is better nipped in the bud than allowed to develop
BGAadmin [-\]: naturally, in all seriousness, the referees can't declare themselves to win
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;B[no]
;W[mf]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[lf]C[oasthouse [-\]: The referees need some kind of reward for giving up their Saturdays
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has just finished that set of overtime
summerb [7k?\]: Isn't the reward seeing history in the making? :P
mof [1d\]: oh, it is still early, maybe there will be a pint of plain later on
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;W[ni]
;B[mj]
;W[mf]C[Cybernoob [10k\]: wow
LastPoet [-\]: think last time I played andrew he made some snarky comment like "and you think thats a good move" ^^
inte [?\]: they can try - but probably that would be the last time they'd be referees :)
Lothus [2d\]: :))
Cybernoob [10k\]: is match still continu? :)
polemus: this guy seems to be a big of a jerk ?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, they're still playing
Lothus [2d\]: "i will explain you why it isnt"
Muttley [2k\]: when Kasparov was young he used to trash talk weaker players
LastPoet [-\]: oh in the game he did indeed show me why ^^
oasthouse [-\]: Andrew is very nice really
Uberdude [4d?\]: he once bought me a beer
polemus: are you comparing these dudes to garry kasparov ?
BGAadmin [-\]: they are both fundamentally civilised young men
Muttley [2k\]: One asked him if he'd like to have a straight right to the face :)
Lothus [2d\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: sometimes it doesn't show, as is the way of these things ;)
elfking [3k\]: lol
BGAadmin [-\]: but, you know, they're safe to introduce to one's mother and so on
Muttley [2k\]: I doubt it's intentional per se, I suspect it's just thinking outloud
oasthouse [-\]: During a chessboxing match, Muttley?
Muttley [2k\]: heh, yeah :)
Muttley [2k\]: that would be funny
piksieben [8k\]: i still wonder what the go equivalent is to chessboxing
Lothus [2d\]: its sometimes hard to not comment very strange moves, for example, with laughting
BGAadmin [-\]: a dreadful idea, piksie :)
Javaness [3d\]: pair go is the equivalent
Uberdude [4d?\]: b14
Muttley [2k\]: sumogo, pik
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus - absolutely it is. I'd hate to try to ban laughter :)
oasthouse [-\]: Gotickling?
Uberdude [4d?\]: hope nick answers at a9
Welvang [6d\]: can someone tell me why b continue to play ?
BGAadmin [-\]: because he wants to and he can
TobyM: was R5 a big enough ko threat?
Muttley [2k\]: I can Welvang
BGAadmin [-\]: he is perfectly entitled to
Javaness [3d\]: he has nothing better to do
Eternauta [?\]: wow, i though this game was over
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;B[ne]C[Muttley [2k\]: he's a mathematician and can't count
Welvang [6d\]: okay
Welvang [6d\]: thx
BGAadmin [-\]: actually I believe he has a birthday party to go to, but I think he's forgotten
Muttley [2k\]: yw
Wood [11k\]: cut
piksieben [8k\]: ouch Muttley
Muttley [2k\]: ;))
Eternauta [?\]: black could have resigned like 60 moves ago
Wood [11k\]: o13
Tritoch [-\]: :p
Muttley [2k\]: I think mathematicians take such innocuous jokes in good part
Carl [2k\]: m14
elfking [3k\]: No we dont!
BGAadmin [-\]: we've just discussed the time, and oh yes, he's just remembered he has a birthday party to go to :)
elfking [3k\]: *don't!
polemus: quiet you
Nebelmeer [1d\]: we do
BGAadmin [-\]: but it's Andrew's move
Muttley [2k\]: oh! in that case
Muttley [2k\]: you're banned.
polemus: where is nyanjilla
T4L0N [2k\]: b bought 3 step ko
Uberdude [4d?\]: you can resign on your opponent's move
BGAadmin [-\]: Paul Barnard did that to me once
Lothus [2d\]: we can stay here for 2 hours more
BGAadmin [-\]: I was extremely offended
Wood [11k\]: why ?
polemus: you find that "extremely" offensive, and you claim not to be England ?
elfking [3k\]: Nebelmeer: you're a mathematician?
Lothus [2d\]: yose
quinza [8k?\]: I have resigned on my opponents turn... after realising the disaster that was my move
Nebelmeer [1d\]: i supposed to be :)
TobyM: It is not a three step ko, it is simple ko if W plays O13
elfking [3k\]: nebelmeer: hehe what area?
Muttley [2k\]: elfking, the joke is not understanding that maths is not about counting :)
polemus: b always has p12
elfking [3k\]: Muttley: :P so is the joke of taking offense to it
Javaness [3d\]: hurry up and cut
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe :))
Uberdude [4d?\]: hurry up and a19
Lothus [2d\]: maths is about maths
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew is visibly counting
elfking [3k\]: Muttley: actually counting is something mathematicians are amazing at.. it's arithmetic that's the problem
BGAadmin [-\]: and checking that he has the 76 minutes he has, and so on
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe :)
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;W[bo]
;B[bp]C[Lothus [2d\]: uberdude for black t19 looks like vital point
elfking [3k\]: Muttley: also most interesting things in mathematics are not countable.
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;W[bn]C[Muttley [2k\]: precisely
Welvang [6d\]: best go players are literary
unicornz [1k\]: like bread
Wood [11k\]: hm, that corner might die
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick says he's running out of moves
unicornz [1k\]: bread is uncountable
elfking [3k\]: no not just precisely even with approximation they are not countable
polemus: it won't die you crazy
Muttley [2k\]: maybe black is hoping that white will lose on time
T4L0N [2k\]: f2 nice b threat
T4L0N [2k\]: w threat*
Lothus [2d\]: A1 K1
Lothus [2d\]: Andrew kay
Lothus [2d\]: :p
Muttley [2k\]: sometimes when my opponents play an obviously losing move I wait a bit to see if they want to resign rather than be shown
polemus: resignation is overrated
Uberdude [4d?\]: well, i've got to be going
BGAadmin [-\]: no one ever won a game by resigning
Uberdude [4d?\]: well done Andrew
BGAadmin [-\]: ttfn, Uber
BGAadmin [-\]: thanks for your comments
BGAadmin [-\]: and see you soon I trust :)
Amigo1: bye amigo
Uberdude [4d?\]: are you going to international teams tournament?
BGAadmin [-\]: not planning to ...
Uberdude [4d?\]: at nippon club
Javaness [3d\]: 'international'
BGAadmin [-\]: when is it? I'm rustier than the rustiest thing ever
piksieben [8k\]: SE now says W+5.5 - even with B10 group alive
Uberdude [4d?\]: the nation of Cambridhe
asdsasdsa [12k\]: lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: october 21st
chigurh [1k\]: a15 makes ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: almost certainly can't, I'm going to an apple festival I think
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;B[mp]
;W[lp]
;B[lq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: bb
Welvang [6d\]: nice move lol
toadwarble [-\]: apple festival? What's that?
]
;W[km]C[reprisal [3d\]: iphone 5 release
BGAadmin [-\]: tbh, I'm not sure, I've never been, but ti sounds fun. It will involve cider. Lots of cider.
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;B[mm]
;W[ng]
;B[lf]
;W[nh]
;B[mf]C[summerb [7k?\]: hm, cider...
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;W[da]
;B[ea]
;W[ca]C[BGAadmin [-\]: exactly
toadwarble [-\]: That's OK don't like the litigious computer co
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick approaches the end of another overtime period ... and commences the next
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;B[of]
;W[og]C[Welvang [6d\]: it's overtime period of 1 hour ?
polemus: l4 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 stones, 10 minutes, welvang
]
;B[fm]C[Lothus [2d\]: i wonder how fast he will fill the gote
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;W[gb]
;B[ej]
;W[dj]C[Welvang [6d\]: these 10 minutes are very long 10years you may want a better one
BGAadmin [-\]: indeed - are you bugging us, Java?
BGAadmin [-\]: 'cos we've just discussed that ...
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 3 minutes to play 2 stones
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;B[ec]
;W[hb]
;B[fa]C[Lothus [2d\]: end
Lothus [2d\]: the champion is
Javaness [3d\]: another 8 dame moves
York [-\]: warfreak
Lothus [2d\]: come on bga
BGAadmin [-\]: we have permitted them to discuss dame :)
]
;W[mk]
;B[em]
;W[ek]
;B[eg]C[Lothus [2d\]: Andrew Kay.
Welvang [6d\]: andrew played better against me at kpmc