The full 20 minute press conference with DA John Champion is available HERE. After some initial review, here is some takeaway.

Champion outlines not only the timeline for Jessica’s activity on December 6th, but he also inadvertently timelines the investigative authority. Confirmed within the press conference is a confirmation the Panola County Sheriff’s Department, Sheriff Denis Darby, was the first law enforcement agency to respond to the murder (Saturday 12/6/14).

The next agency to assist on the case was the US Marshals Service (USMS), who became involved the next evening (Sunday 12/7/14), which is the same day DA Champion responded to the crime by arriving in Courtland Sunday afternoon.

The third agency was the Federal and/or State Alcohol Tobbacco and Firearms (ATF) team who engaged by the end of the first week due to the arson aspect of the case. Those agencies were soon followed by the FBI who, according to Champion and Darby, they asked for forensic and technical assistance.

This agency aspect affirms all of our prior research and becomes important because it affirms the USMS was active in the area in some capacity prior to the event that led to Jessica’s death.

Some people have speculated that Jessica might have been subject to the Federal Witness Protection program (WitSec) due to the speed of USMS involvement. While that is wildly speculative, given the nature of the inconsistencies within the known details, it actually cannot be ruled out.

Why would a District Attorney be lead investigator? Why would the USMS be so rapidly involved? Why would a crime scene be so disengenuously handled? Why would the most critical evidence, the burned vehicle, be removed from the scene within an hour?

These brutally odd factual realities, along with a few more less conspicuous outcomes, support those who theorize the WitSec aspect – and keep the consideration from being dismissed completely.

Back to the Champion Press Conference. Just like every time Sheriff Darby or DA Champion speaks to the public there are some wildly non-understandable outcomes as a result of the content they deliver.

Champion gives a timeline for Jessica’s activity on the day in question. The activity is based on CCTV capturing her movements, interviews with people who talked to or saw her on the day in question, and USMS technological forensics in tracking her cell phone; this is called geo-location.

The “geo-location” capability of the USMS is the most technologically advanced in the entire Federal arsenal of law enforcement. The USMS also have “stingray” technology, which are devices that capture EXTENSIVE transmitted data; because they are known to have been conducting some kind of activity in the area it is quite possible ‘stingray’ units were already in place.

Regardless of Stingray deployment the traditional cell tower ping logs and geo-location from GPS would still be highly accurate in locating the signal from Jessica’s cell phone.

The cell phone tracking is what was used (mostly) by Champion to frame and focus the media during press conference.

However, it should be noted -early and often- that phone tracking is only that, tracking a phone. The assumption is the phone is with the owner; regardless of probability this is an assumption and not a verifiable fact.

It is assumed that Jessica’s phone was on her person during the timeline presented.

Additionally, it must also be noted that just because the phone is operable, this does not evidence the health or well-being of Jessica while the phone was “on” or “trackable”. Again, the assumption is that Jessica was alive and well during the timeline as described.

According to DA Chambers Jessica was home, or near home, for most of the day up to a point at approximately 5:00pm when she left home to run errands as described by her mother Lisa Daugherty:

♦ Sometime shortly after 5:00pm Jessica received a phone call and she left home. The caller is identified and as a friend, and Champion said “no bearing on the case”. ♦ Her immediate travel took her to the M&M First Stop gas station where she was identified on CCTV at 5:24pm ♦ She then travels to a “residence” (confirmed “house”) shortly before 6:00pm where she stayed for 5-7 minutes. ♦ She leaves the residence (headed North) and at 6:10 pm is identified at SR #51 and Highway #6 in Batesville where she is identified in the area (via private CCTV) for approximately 10 to 15 minutes. ♦ The timeline then puts Jessica back in Courtland area at 6:30pm (location not given) where a timeline void begins for almost an hour. ♦ At 7:31 pm her phone is identified in the area where she was later found. It is assumed she is with the phone. ♦ From approximately 6:30pm to 7:31pm her activity and location, according to DA Champion, *is not known. This is the period he is requesting the public to provide assistance with. ♦ At 8:09pm a call to the fire department is made. ♦ At 8:13pm the Panola Volunteer fire department arrive. Within minutes, according to responding Fire Chief Cole Haley, he calls for a paramedic, an air ambulance, and a direct call for P1 (Sheriff Darby) ♦ At 9:30pm Jessica’s burned vehicle is photographed on a tow truck at M&M gas station.

Thank You Diane for the graphic.

In addition, in direct relationship to the missing hour (6:30pm to 7:31pm) Lisa Daugherty has claimed to have had a phone conversation with Jessica for “twenty minutes”. According to Daugherty the call was from 6:48pm to 7:08pm (she also said 7:13pm). Daugherty discussion/interview HERE.

Which begs the obvious question, if Daugherty was talking to Jessica at that time, why is the USMS unable to detect the phone use with the data forensics employed for the rest of the timeline. [Yet another, odd and unanswered question skipped by the media.]

In my humble opinion, this missing hour aspect is intentionally created by Champion.

If you try to reconcile the “claimed” absence of phone tracking, against their obvious ability to track the phone, you might also note something about the presser and subsequent Q&A interview – if you watch the video.

DA John Champion has ‘no reference notes’, yet he is explaining a timeline. Meaning, and/or implying, he is delivering information with an intent to use the media for more than just delivery of critical detail.

He is using the media for a purpose; the purpose, in my opinion, is not just to deliver a timeline.

What that purpose is remains unknown, but this press conference is not just to ask for the public’s assistance – he is creating something. Again, assuming Daugherty is accurate and not lying about talking to Jessica, it could be Champion is protecting something (a witness?) by trying to say they don’t have any information around a time which they should easily have.

Unless ….through what she shared at Leah’s, having reached their ears from some unknown source, led the ABC agency to believe her info or ability to get info – of vast importance. Maybe they promised her a brighter future.

Told her no one would know and she wouldn’t have to hide. Offered money for college, etc.
The CI theory isn’t my top thought, but this a thought of what could lead to it from either side.

If CI is the deal they failed her on all levels, as happens with naive but helpful or coerced amateurs.

this murder could simply be a murder by some low intellect animal down there for any number or reasons and there are SO many of those types down there….

but the CI angle is interesting….it might be the reason why momma and papa haven’t been out there protesting the slow movement on this case….could they have been told that Jessica was a CI and if they kept their distance they would receive big bucks as a secret settlement?…….probably not but it would explain things…

As for who was at the scene with Jessica ……LE cannot bring charges based on cell phone contact there. They can add certainty to further other evidence, but a cellphone showing in that location is all that would be – a cellphone showing in that location. Placing the person who owns said cellphone there also is the necessary piece. That would call for witnesses placing those cellphone users with Jessica that night.

Perhaps they do have some fingerprint ID(s). Maybe they are quite sure others were there also and want to reel them all in…..or they want to hook the big fish, the one behind the plan (if there is one).

Of course if the feds have greater technology that allows conversation ability then they could qualify that info …..but, they also would have that info because they were working there already on much bigger issues. They wouldn’t compromise an investigation for a minor piece (in their minds) . In the long term all would be brought to light.

This is the Twitter post re: JC’s keys found in a ditch in front the residence at 124 Main St – and discussion about a registered sex offender who lists his address as: 2363 Herron Road but supposedly stays with his wife’s family at 124 Main ST

That’s the same photo I used when I posted on this day…. I enlarged the steering column from that photo…sorry, I still don’t see a key – and now we have two separate reports that the keys were found on 12/08 in a ditch in front of 124 Main St,,,,it’s reported that a man named Jerry King found them while walking with his child. MsSmallTown posted a screenshot on 02-19-14 at 6:01pm and I posted the second one yesterday….So sorry for any confusion.

I’m not buying into that found the keys story, it’s just like the found the phone story when CNN reported LE picking up 2 things off the road and never said what it was; LE probably had the phone all the time because that’s why they brough CW in on 12/7.

I replied earlier but it appears to be visiting Alice…
Diane I would refer you back to the Day 6 page; photos we have all seen before and there are multiple references to the “Heart shaped keychain in the ignition”, there is a detail which might come from one of Ali’s pix on the tow truck which shows what appears to be a key in the ignition.
theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/12/13/mississippi-burning-day-6-the-murder-of-jessica-lane-chambers-exposes-massive-problems-in-panola-county-mississippi/

Of course, I agree Jan and did not intend the redundant post re melted components, I answered from my iPad.
What I intended to ask was with the likely hood of spare keys, a locksmith at the impound and a cable release inside the Rio’s interior… Why pry open the trunk? of course it posted before I could complete my thought.

Diane, MSSmallTown posted the FB comments about the keys in older comments on todays thread. It says the keys were found by Jerry King while he was walking his baby down the road on Dec 11, and another person says they were found Dec 8. Until we get a verified report, I’m going with the article and posts here that say car in park, brake on, keys in ignition, based on the photos on the truck and at impound.

but with Mom being “nosey” and if JC kept personal items in her car, would she want two sets of keys laying around? ..and if we are to believe Bryan Rudd’s recent phone interview, JC ‘just” got the car back recently – he says the car and other things were taken away from her on a regular basis (as punishment for dating blacks)

I take issue with the racism inference, Ben Chambers could have easily punished Jessica just for associating with criminal types, it is known Bryan has an adult arrest record, averages would indicates a juvenile arrest record likely as well. Neither Bryan Rudd nor you and I can, or should, presume to know a parents motivation regards raising their child.

yes. so much for Ben being a rabid racist. Just because he doesn’t like his babygirl dating black men doesn’t mean he isn’t friends with any of them. I know lots of men feel the same, especially in the South.

Thanks 2+2. It’s nice to see something special like that. Pretty much dispels the rumors of Ben hating because of color. What parent would want their child involved in any way with gangs or any criminal element for that matter. Everyone wants the best for their children.

I think the whole story about Ben taking Jessica’s car away was just a lie. Ali said she was in M & M everyday. Could be Ali was lying, but Jessica was working a distance from home and I don’t see Lisa giving her a lift.

Speculation; Maybe Bryan was pestering Jessica to come visit him and she told him her dad took her car away.

So, if Gina is married to S.O. Michael Eubanks and JC dated Gina’s brother, Travo, she (JC) could have known the S.O. who lives at 124 Main St where it’s been reported JC’s keys were found in a ditch by Jerry King while walking with his child on 12/08 ??

what’s interesting is we have TRF, DT, and Tammy Crognale, among others, all saying they are positive the person who did it is in custody on Dec 7. Who was in custody Dec 7 besides Charlotte? I know DT has a hate on for her, but TRF says a black MALE did it.

This is in response to:Jan says:
February 20, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Why bring Antonio into this? He’s a good kid

I agree. Not all the apples in the barrel are bad just because they’re off the same tree. See the Tyler Rudd video I posted, and the Derrick L. Sanford FB page. Both decent people related to the Rudds.

I didn’t bring Antonio Connor into it, his family did. I was just mentioning the connection (graduated with Jessica), not accusing him of anything. I’m glad kids can escape their raising, but sometimes you can’t escape the connection to your family.

Who is Kendrick/Kedrick Turner’s father? Are we sure it’s Black Randy?

Derrick Turner shares an address with Francis/Frances L Turner (she’s a bit older, 8-12 years). Frances is related to the Turners (Kedrick/Kendrick and his sister April) and some Conners/Connors (Antonio Connor):

There is this:
COURTLAND – Kenneth Derrell Conner, 28, employee of Thermos Co. in Batesville, died June 26, 2004 at his home.

Services were July 1 at Mount Gillion Missionary Baptist Church in Sardis, where he was a member, with burial in the church cemetery there.

Mr. Conner, the husband of Frances Louise Conner, also leaves a daughter, April Turner, and two sons, Kendrick Turner and Jeremy Turner, all of Court land; his mother and stepfather, Lorine and Mark Conner, and his father, Freeman Hentz, all of Batesville; five sisters, Teresa Barksdale, Sharon Conner, Felisha Hines and Temeka Givens, all of Batesville, and Stephanie Holman of Courtland; four brothers, Marcus Conner and Tyrone Pinkins, both of Batesville, Jeremy Conner of Atlanta and Christopher Conner of Marks, and his grandparents, Betty Lou Ellis and Leanna Baker, both of Batesville.

And then there is this from the Panolian:
Conner, Kenneth Derrell
Kenneth Derrell Conner, 28, of Courtland, died Saturday, June 26, 2004.

Services were Thursday at Mt. Gillion M.B. Church in Sardis. Burial was in the church cemetery. Rev. Walter Newson officiated. Cooley’s Mortuary Inc. had charge.

Conner, born Jan. 1, 1976 in Batesville, to Freeman Allen Hentz and Lorine Ellis Conner, both of Batesville, was a laborer for Thermos Company and a member of Mt. Gillion M.B. Church in Sardis.

Survivors, in addition to his parents include his step father, Rev. Mark Conner of Batesville; his grandparents, Betty Lou Ellis and LeAnna Baker, both of Batesville; five sisters, Teresa Barksdale, Sharon Conner, Felecia Hines, Tameka Gibbins, all of Batesville and Stephanie Holman of Courtland; and four brothers, Marcus Conner and Tyrone Pinkins, both of Batesville, Jeremy Conner of Atlanta, Ga. and Christopher Conner of Marks.

We tried to figure out who the father of Kedrick/Kendrick is in December, came up with Black Randy, but why is his name Turner? And how is Derrick related? Derrick isn’t mentioned in the obituary. None of it matters, just puzzling. And another example of middle-aged people being completely creepy with younger people.

babymama/babydaddy matriarchal society, common law, not legally married for welfare benefit and EITC purposes. Single parent or head of household, although father might be listed on birth certificate, they are given the mother’s last name. Randre Armstead (mother – Phillis Armstead) is Kedrick Turners half brother. Same father, different mother.

the 124 address is listed as Melissa King’s residence – the Hell on screenshot I posted stated the S.O. Michael Eubanks stays there with his wife’s family
This is a good site for addresses by street names: https://address.radaris.com/Courtland+MS/MAIN+ST

2+2 – your directions confuse me….I’ve searched this page and 2 back pages and can’t find any “Hell on” post – I also searched for “Daughtery” and “Daurty” and could only find your posts about her name once being Daughtery….. If this was a screenshot that “Hell On” posted a comment on you can’t search for the keyword “Hell On”….only typed words will show up in a “find on this page” …so if you can please provide the link address…To get the link on a CTH page: hover over the post date, right click, choose “properties”, then copy&paste the URL address…sometimes they are very long – 2 or 3 lines of text..so make sure you get it all …..that would be much easier than trying to search each page…thanks!

I wonder just how long the U.S. Marshall Service has been helping out in Panola County…

When I was researching the incident between Sheriff Darby and Police Chief Burdette (which Burdette is suing Darby over), I came across an interesting tidbit. The confrontation between the two LEO’s was over Darby butting in on Burdette’s jurisdiction on a shooting incident call. They already had issues with each other, so things got crazy. But that’s not my point right now (although I do think Sheriff Darby has a big problem with arrogance, control, and abusing his power – not a fan).

At the end of the article, which is from 11/15/2013, it says –

“Meanwhile, the shooting incident was apparently not a feud between gangs in Como and Sardis as both the alleged shooter and victim are Como residents according to Champion.
The alleged shooter is known to officials and the U.S. Marshall service is assisting in his capture according to Sheriff Darby.”

I’ve learned from this site that the USMS would not normally be involved in local stuff like this. Not sure of the importance of this, but it caught my eye.

Has the USMS been there for over a year, working on something? Is there a link between terrorism and the gangs? Ali was certainly friendly with the gangs. Which brings to mind Gina’s post from January…

”She talked to several people about the book. She has started a journal about the abusive relationships and the rape. She had shown very good progress in dealing with her emotions and had replaced her negative coping skills with positive ways to deal with her low self esteem.

The gang had heard about the journal and thought it was the “book.” She had the rough copy with her that night in her car. She was not naming names or telling secrets of the gang, She did not tell of their drugs, gun running, and the “House that was a safe haven to young Muslim males from Yemen .

They came from the Border in Texas, stayed in several safe houses till they reached New York. There was a house that was run by the Store guy about 3 miles from the now famous store. They stored large amount of guns in that place.

She did not tell about all this, but they were worried that she was going to let info out that would place them in jail. She was just telling about her and the way her life had changed. She only wanted to help other girls. The book was about her life. Not the people that had used and abused her. She had overcome a lot and she was about to leave that town for good. She was going to make a wonderful life for herself”…

to me also. I didn’t realize you had posted this Jake I was scrolling from the bottom up and just came to it. I was thinking about Gina’s post tonight and how a few of Lisa’s remarks about Jessica compare to Gina’s. I posted about that downthread. Thank you for reprinting Gina’s post.

@jakeandcrew: I still believe Ali is in the middle of this. The rapid clearance of Ali after he expressed worry about his travels to Yemen is suspicious.
Ali’s demeanor throughout as well as his body language tells the story of someone very afraid for whatever reason.

In the very first press conference, Darby said something to the effect of “we know what happened to Jessica”. I realize my middle aged memory isn’t what it used to be, but I actually wrote that down as a point to revisit. I went back to that video, the statement is not there. Does anyone else remember this, or am I mistaken?? Just thought maybe someone had an early copy of the video that could verify…It seemed interesting at the time, now with the new time line facts and speculation that she was a CI, just seemed to be worth another look.

If she was a CI and Darby DID in fact know that, that could account for the quickly cleared scene and attempt to keep all under wraps. Ali blew that effort with his fb pictures and spread of info.

That would mean Darby knew of the feds involvement though. I don’t know how they work but can’t imagine feds share with locals when locals are so often some of the criminals that they take down in the end.

I’ll have to look for the video. He said that but I remember thinking that he meant they knew what happened to her in a general sense. It was early on in the investigation and at the time when he seemed more concerned about there not being any street talk.

It was the first press conference, the one they did together. I have pulled up videos of it and watched again, but don’t see it now. Glad to know someone else remembers it. I, too, thought it meant more in a general sense of what happened, but it was just one of those things that set my spidey sense on alert.

there was a video that went with that. The written article is a recap of the video that was reported by the Clarion Ledger or one of the local news. Things are disappearing since DA made his timeline announcement.

That recap would be of Champion making the statement. What I remember is Darby saying it in the press conference done initially, the same one where he talks about Jesus and champion says no arrests are imminent

Yes, I do. I posted yesterday that videos, comments and articles are being scrubbed. I have lots of links that worked last week but don’t go anywhere as of this morning, since DA issued his “timeline.” CRS at work. IMO LE has identified the perp and CRS is hiding evidence.

Dagnabbit – Sorry folks! In the MSOR post above the Ebnx is listed at 289 HERRON RD SUBDIVISION. However, to arrive at the above link, I used 124 Main as the “search data” and it gave a list of SO’s with 124 Main as MATCHING his address. Both are right around the corner – from one another and 124 is supposedly where the keys were found.

I am going out on a limb here by reminding all of you just how easy it is these days for young men (namely 18 to 25 year olds) to be branded as sex offenders for having consensual sexual encounters with girls who are under age 18. My husband was 22 and I was 16 when we started dating in the late 1980s. Today, he would be charged with “carnal knowledge of a minor” and labelled as a sex offender. There are many young men in that SO database who aren’t pedophiles and rapists, who shouldn’t be there —in my opinion.

I agree. No one wants a child abused but when boys and girls become sexually active at such a young age nowadays it’s a danger for the male as often age is hard to tell. With makeup and clothing and perhaps lying about their age girls may not intend or understand potential consequences to their partners. Look at those teens that were “Bonnie & Clyde a couple months ago. She was 13 and said she was 18. He. She didn’t look 13 at all.

Jessica’s cell phone. My thoughts are that JC’s last move was to turn it on and toss it in the weeds.

People have mentioned the perps may have turned it on at 731 to erase incriminating evidence of their own numbers or communications then tossed it. Doesn’t add up for me for three reasons:
(1) the carrier already has the incoming and outgoing phone numbers archived electronically (not actual text content) so clearing the phone itself is futile;
(2) ‘wiping’ it the perps would have almost definitely run the high probability risk of leaving fingerprints on the phone keypad, screen, frame and battery before tossing it nearby;
(3) finally, to toss the phone (versus burning or taking it) is the clincher because all Champion has to do is compare the electronic records/ timestamps against the remaining records on the phone itself to confirm exactly which numbers and names were removed – which would go a long way toward the supposition that the perp(s) erased their own name(s).

If the perpetrators had access to her phone, why didn’t they burn it up in the car?
I’m trying to picture the actual time and care one would have to take to pour gasoline onto a car without splashing it onto one’s self in the process. After that, they would have to put the gas can into their own vehicle presuming there’s no trace of said can at the scene, and then light the accelerant from a safe distance. You would not be able to just use a lighter without risking burning yourself. Tossing a cigarette on it? I don’t know. Can you think of ways the perpetrators lit the fire without burning or singhing (sp) themselves?

Many arsonists that use ignitable liquids will pour a ‘trailer’ of liquid away from the scene and then light it from there. I wonder if the arsonist(s) in this case have any evidence of burns or clothing contamination. Like I said before, the fire scene could not have been properly processed at night and in that short time span before the vehicle was towed, especially with the limited resources that were deployed. It also seems likely that trace evidence in the immediate area was missed or destroyed by the responding personnel.

By jove, I actually remember this photo, but not which thread in was posted. There were TWO black males with their hands stuck in their pockets as if to hide them. What could be seen of their wrists and one’s partial hand were abnormally and noticeably reddened.

I have the cropped pic of the guy in black’s wrists and the one hand from the guy above and to the right of him. I did enhance saturation of the pic and you can see what appears to be red burn marks on the wrists and like a large blister area on the guy’s hand to the right and above. I also sent this pic into Therese the reporter to see id she could find out who the guy in black was since she was interviewing people in Courtland. You have to enlarge the pic between 400 to 800 X to see the hands well enough since the original pic was so small.

I’ve downloaded the likes from that photo and put them on photobucket with the pix so names are available.

This would seem to indicate that this is the blackout squad (BOS) for the GD. However, I’m sure that’s George Mista in the back row, and he is definitely VL as are some of the others I recognize. So has someone managed to get these 2 gangs to cooperate under one “lord” to control the area for maximum profit, rather than fight over territory?

Jerrick Todd made 2 FB posts about Jessica. One that “lil Jessica” was homie because she stayed in the hood, the other was a rant at Ben. Ben said he got a call from someone claiming to be the leader of a gang saying they were upset about Jessica too. I suspect it was Jerrick Todd.

Diane, Some days ago I posted some obit and birth info and connections to the different families and gangs for motive, with an analysis in list form. I haven’t recovered my files after crash so I don’t have my notes on what day. Do you happen to have that?

In investigating cell phone use, when someone turns their phone off, it raises just as much suspicion, if not more, than ping trails to certain locations. Virtually everyone with a cell phone leaves it on at all time. When it is turned off, that tells me somebody has something to hide.

Or for me, as it happens so frequently, the stupid thing died. 30 minutes go by before I figure out something is amiss with my phone. Then I proceed to dig through my purse for 5 minutes, fail to find it, scour the vehicle, fail to find it, look back in my purse, finally find it, and then hook it up to the car charger where it takes 15 minutes to go from a battery screen back to my home screen. That would account for the phone being off for me, and then randomly turning back on… And I would say this happens to me at least once a week.

I read a few days ago in Panolian because of weather? jurors were canceled to show up. Figure it’s jury selection for an upcoming trial. Don’t know what trial but we should keep a look see on it in case it involves someone on our Jessica radar list. For other crimes though. You never know.

I keep thinking about the unaccounted phone call during the “dark period” and I keep coming up with the following:

IF, and I reiterate IF, JLC was a CI, then whomever the LE agency was that contracted her would be monitoring her phone at all times, not just when calls were made. GPS allows that.
The “missing” conversation and/or any other conversations would most likely have been recorded in their entirety since the phone JLC was using would most likely be cloned and set to ring or record whenever a call was initiated or received. (assuming LE above the Panola County level was using her as a CI)
Whether or not the phone call originated from her mothers house or JLC’s phone, the cellular company would have recorded a start and finish time for the call. The phone number would have been noted at both sides of the conversation and time stamped. The minutes used, whether finite or unlimited, are based on a compilation of the calls placed so each call has a start time, and end time and a duration whether they call another cell phone, or a land line. The same would be the case for JLC’s mother. The phone company keeps up with usage to differentiate local and long distance calls. If the phone was set up on a VOIP line or with unlimited local or long distance calling plan, the carrier would still have to log all calls to be able to account for any necessary billing outside of the plan.

That being said, either JLC’s cell phone bill or her mother’s should reflect the call’s start, stop and duration time. LE should be able to ascertain that information. I am not sure why they are making such a mystery out of it, that is, if the call was actually placed. If not, then JLC’s mother is lying and she is a suspect.

@hightechjunkie: What if JC’s mother call was off by an hour although I lean more to the side that Lisa made it up; what if Ali lied about the one hour difference and chambers got it all backwards?
What would a reversed timeline look like?

does anyone else remember Gina777 posts? There are a few things that stand out to me, because they are very similar to statements Lisa has made in a much less erudite manner.

Gina: she had her journal with her in her car.
Lisa: her journal would be in the trunk of her car not her room because nosy momma would look in her room and read it.

Gina: Jessica was making/made good progress at Leah’s.
Lisa: she was a changed person after Leah’s

There are a few other remarks that have similarites. Gina’s posts rang true to me anyway, but after comparing them to some of Lisa’s remarks and with some of the other things I’ve come across, I believe them. I don’t believe Lisa and Gina are the same person, but I do believe Gina is someone who knows both of them very well.

it was someone who not only knew about the journal, she knew what was IN the journal. About the drugs, safe houses and arms, prostitution, everything. Someone Jessica confided in or allowed to read the journal.

I have to find it on Twitter but there is a discussion about who Gina7777 may be and someone thought it may be Linda Oliver due to her email address having the 7777 in it and something about that number having some sort of angelic/religious meaning. I’ll see if I can locate the convo….could be nothing.

I’m with you on this. I’m a mental health therapist and for “Gina” to use therapeutic jargon as she did, I sensed that this person may either be a therapist (even peer support as you would find at a place like Leah’s) or has been in therapy at some point themselves.

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One of Ziig’s photo of Jessica’s mom. I’m looking at it and feeling very badly for Lisa. Her one eye is wonky. Sigh. What a terrible thing for a mother. If she could change things and have made it safer for Jess she would. If professionals could have helped. Lisa said Jessica told her she was the only person who loved her. She was the only child of Ben and Lisa. Then she bids I love you Momma.

1) Jessica arrives at M&M First Stop Gas at 06:24:39pm
2) her car comes to a complete stop at the pump 06:24:45pm
3) Exits car 06:25:28, approaches store, then walks out of frame at 06:25:48pm
until 06:27:02pm
4) Enters store at 6:27:15 pays for gas then exits store at 6:28:15pm
5) Arrives back at car 6:28:27pm
6) Opens car door, either places something inside or uses interior latch to access gas tank from 06:28:29 to 06:28:40
7) Pumps gas from 06:28:50 until 06:29:40pm (video footage abruptly stops)
8) Gets in car and drives away — estimated time now around 6:32pm? (Treepers tested how long it takes to put 5 gals of gas in a car.)
9) Jessica’s mom, Lisa Chambers, has phone conversation with Jessica at 6:48pm (Jessica is going to get something to eat)
10) 8:09 – 911 drop
11) Fire Department respond to a 911 call at 8:13pm (Jessica Discovered)

**It is extremely important to note that 54 seconds have been edited from this Camera01 & Camera05 video at 06:26:00 to 06:26:54 by the station operator. I have NOT discovered a video cataloging those missing seconds. Also, take note of how long Jessica remained in her car before she exits at 06:25:28. She apparently remained inside for 43 seconds from 06:24:45 to 06:25:28. These 43 seconds could account for a telephone call with Lisa or another person.

RE: 2+2 says: February 20, 2015 at 4:58 am
Diane, Some days ago I posted some obit and birth info and connections to the different families and gangs for motive, with an analysis in list form. I haven’t recovered my files after crash so I don’t have my notes on what day. Do you happen to have that?

Reply: No I don’t have that, but you might try a Google search – entering a key word or phrase (that you remember) from your post – this has worked for me in the past

At 7:31 JC and her phone and her car were at the death site.
At 7:31, JC’s phone was powered up by either JC (trying to contact someone) or someone else. In either case, her desperate problem was underway.
It is highly unlikely that the gas can(s) was/were on site, otherwise they would have been in use not much longer thereafter.
It is highly unlikely that an assailant onsite used a phone to call for a delivery of gas cans, or for any other signal to an accomplice. Otherwise the murderer would have been more pinpointed by the feds.
The Herron Road site is not a decent place to conduct a pre-planned hit.

Here’s my scenario. Rather than label this crime a Pre-planned Hit, it was a Transaction-Gone-Awry. In other words, a dispute, an assault, and a scramble to cover the whole thing up by retrieving gas cans from somewhere nearby, without the help of anybody else. It explains the delay between the time of the assault (7:31, or slightly earlier) and the ignition of the arson a half hour later. It also explains the lack of an active phone by the perp(s) involved.

It is imperative to realize that using the Herron Road site for a site for anything sketchy is inconvenient/uncomfortable/exposed for the vast majority of people within a 2 mile radius, let alone Batesville. There are far better sites for most Courtlanders to conduct shady business, let alone murder.

Except we don’t know what the feds know. Maybe they were pinpointed by feds. Maybe feds have phone activity without proof of who is using phone. PerhapsLE is looking for witness (es) to substantiate evidence. Ie we don’t know all they know.

Jessica Chambers told him she’d been “gang-raped” twice by the same black gang, whose members are currently in prison for a different murder;
Jessica Chambers’ father, Ben Chambers Sr., is a “racist,” because he didn’t want his daughter dating blacks; and
Ben Chambers Sr. committed at least two homicides and was involved in dealing, murdered his own brother and an ex-boyfriend of Jessica’s, as well as killing a man who had pulled a knife on him in self-defense; and was rumored to have murdered a local meth dealer, Taiwan Shavoco Obey Sr., with the street name, “Chicken.”

Ben Chambers Sr. committed at least two homicides and was involved in dealing, murdered his own brother and an ex-boyfriend of Jessica’s, as well as killing a man who had pulled a knife on him in self-defense; and was rumored to have murdered a local meth dealer, Taiwan Shavoco Obey Sr., with the street name, “Chicken.”

Bryan Rudd confabulated the reference to Ben killing his own brother from here. We had a lot of molls trying to take us off the scent. Which is why the threads were onerous from the start, even b4 I got here. I got into trouble picking on some for Alinskying us, because they weren’t following the gentle guidelines, fearing the threads would get shut down. It never stopped after that because molls know where to fuel the fire. It was scary because it gave us a sense of the difficulty Jess must have had, not being able to get untangled because another would juxtapose in the middle. I only made it worse. There was no fine line. My bad. I’ll never do that again. JMO of course. The hard core ones ignored the wrangling between and amongst, understood and stuck around and I’m thankful for them! I do listen to the good ones, they have a way of phrasing that leads me to understand. Go Conservatives!

Ben Chambers Sr. committed at least two homicides and was involved in dealing, murdered his own brother and an ex-boyfriend of Jessica’s, as well as killing a man who had pulled a knife on him in self-defense…

Bryan Rudd confabulated the reference to Ben killing his own brother from here. We had a lot of m olls trying to take us off the scent.

I think I found something. Take a look at this clip. Notice at about 1:16-1:26 is what seems to be a clip of the interior of Jessica’s car. Look carefully at the steering column…is that a flame on the end of the wiper/blinker lever? This view doesn’t show the bottom of the window frame on the passenger’s side like in Ali’s pix, but the “flame” is also in his. So I’m not sure if this was taken at the scene or it’s the same one he took just doctored by CNN.

Is it possible they DID actually do something right and take video and pix at the scene?
Does anyone else see what I’m seeing?

Strangest thing (I think. Someone correct me. Where’s Walther?) is what’s burning (if I’m looking in the right place- the arm for the windshield wipers, right?)
Shouldn’t the plastic/ paint have burned away pretty quick? It seems like a lot of flame for not much to actively burn like that.
(from the girl who really struggles to get the grill lit)

Yes you’re looking in the right place. I can’t tell if it’s the lever/arm or a piece of the dash sticking out, but it’s the “flame” that’s interesting. My car has a blob of plastic on the end of the lever. I would think that would flame until melted and maybe stay hot but not flame up again with a breeze.

the interior shot you see is the still from Ali it is not a video image, the motion is called the “Ken Burns Effect” it pans across a still image creating the sense of motion, choosing a start and end point.

ok one wild idea. Jessica dropped cigs off at the house, but Mom didn’t see her, so she called/texted a few times. Jessica was on the road, so she didn’t answer immediately. She did once she got to Batesville. This would be the activation at 7:08, 5 hours before the screenshot at 12:08. They hung up at 7:13 per Lisa’s timestamp. Five minute call.

I know this doesn’t fit the DA’s timeline. But it does fit mine, if she left home around 6pm, went to the other house then to M&M arriving at 6:24, then went to Batesville and it was actually 7:10 when she was in Batesville, wash car and get food, back in Courtland at 7:31 at the scene. Assault and fire between 7:31-8:08. Jessica calls 911 at 8:08. No missing hour.

I’m wondering if they are fudging the timeline to make it fit Ali’s statement. The fact that they are leaving Lisa out of the loop, ignoring her statements about phone calls, etc. is telling. She has been complaining since day 1 that they don’t keep her informed, they don’t take or answer her calls.

If their timeline is correct, she could have been at M&M at 5:30 and 6:30, round trip. But there’s a missing hour between 6:30-7:30.

Re: fudging timeline. I know they have phone logs that have the actual times of calls and pings etc. But I wonder if they are fudging it to fit Ali’s statement for the public’s benefit, just to see what feedback they get, if someone will slip up.

Disclaimer first.. I’m not posting this because I had an AH-HA moment and I know (or think I know) what happened. Some of my times may be off but I’m posting this to ask you to tear it apart. Right, wrong, I want to hear your thoughts.

Based on the timeline the DA gave us to go by, I can imagine the scenario something like this…

(Fact)Jessica was in her car at M&M long enough to have placed a quick call
(Speculation) Possibly called to see if the person wanted to ride to Batesville with her
(Fact)She left M&M headed South
(Evidence) She stopped at someone’s house in Courtland
(Speculation) picked up a passenger and headed to Batesville
(Evidence) 6:10PM – Spotted at Batesville at redlight
(Evidence) 6:30PM – Spotted in Courtland
(Speculation) Unaccounted hour
(Unverified) 6:48 – 7:13 phone call with Mom which I don’t believe happened
(Evidence) 7:31 Present at Crime Scene

(Speculation) Whoever was riding in the car with her when she parked it on Herron Road lost control (unplanned) and struck her hard (maybe harder than intended) I believe they then panicked and called for help to destroy evidence…. My problem is this – why would gas be the first thing to come to mind as a way to “hide” whatever just occurred unless there was DNA evidence and maybe they “assumed” that they had killed her. Otherwise, in the spur of the moment, I can’t imagine someone even thinking about gas unless… maybe this was not the first time they had destroyed evidence this way.

That there made me laff, sadly. We’re all in the psych ward now, making raspberry sounds with our fingers.

My sympathies with Lisa yo-yoes every time more info comes to light, not that it matters. I’m getting the sense as with Bryan Rudd, and Lisa, the two not colluding necessarily but reading here, that they confabulate based on it. The text about where did you go, Memphis? Outright calling her daughter a liar after she’s dead in a heinous manner. Constantly scratching my head. Lisa won’t produce the time of phone call on paper? It would go far. But then again, she’s not exactly cooperative with bloggers. She doesn’t play nice it seems. Very upsetting if this was Jessica’s world, the only person who loved her.

Just a word here…and I’m not criticizing anyone. We can’t have it both ways, demand to know everything Lisa knows, said or thinks, then criticize her for saying it. We have wanted to know what her conversation with Jessica was about, well all she did was tell the reporter what she told Jessica on the phone. She wasn’t calling her a liar posthumously, she was repeating what she told her daughter on the phone. We have all said at one time or another that she was probably nagging Jessica on the phone, they were having a fight, so why criticize her when she finally does give us some information that confirms what we thought? Not fair.

Derrick L. Sanford
November 24, 2014 ·
Praying for All My Nephews & Nieces, Youth of Faith In Action Ministry, Youth in our Schools & Community. Someone is one Bad decision away from facing Jail Time. This message may be your Way of Escape… THINK WISELY, Do what’s Right! Make your own decisions and be responsible. Many of You were Raised in Church, PLEASE RETURN BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. — feeling concerned

Wow! It makes you wonder if there were rumors of something ready to go down. Like a week before Jessica’s murder. Was this after the rumored first Jessica assault? Wasn’t that a week or so before also?

can either of you post a screenshot of that if I give you the link? I’m on a borrowed laptop and it’s not working right. You may have to refresh to get it to show up. I thought it was scrubbed but it’s still there after I refresh.https://www.facebook.com/derrick.sanford?fref=ts

There’s a better pic somewhere but our in-house artist, Diane, posted this earlier in the thread. Being we already have too many windows open, causing computers to inactivate, I’ll re-post here. This photo is where I presume most of us saw the heart-shaped key ring. It was compared to the intact interior of a Kia Rio and did seem too low to be at ignition point. I formerly thought it was indeed the key ring too. Undecided now. I’m tending moreso to believe the keys got flung into ditch.

She isn’t. If you watch the tape from the other camera you can see it clearly. 🙂

The only time I can see where someone is near her is on the other tape. When the dark car pulls up on the other side of the pump and the woman (Teanna?) gets out and passes close to her as Jessica is opening her car door. Which to me looks deliberate, seems it would have been easier to go on the other side of the pump by the drivers door rather than between the pumps.

When the dark car pulls up on the other side of the pump and the woman (Teanna?) gets out and passes close to her as Jessica is opening her car door. Which to me looks deliberate, seems it would have been easier to go on the other side of the pump by the drivers door rather than between the pumps.

ominous, again

Teanna (?) or whoever it is, interferes with Jessica’s personal space. It signals intent or ill will. The next phase, is harm. Actual infliction. It’s a wish to do harm……invading someone’s personal space so closely when there was no need to in a big enough area. She’s honed right into Jessica.

The black and white stripes worn on a couple or a few, a signal of gang hood and criminal ‘togetherness’ also lends to the creepy night air.

That entire scene caught on video is slimey. Probably a lot more viewing of suspects to the video before and after, but we may have seen the worst of it by virtue of Jessica’s presence.

I’m fairly certain that LE knows who the perps are. USMS and MBI aren’t inept. I’m certain that quite a bit of detailed information has been withheld (or some released info has been ‘modified’) from the media, family, and residents. LE will often release info that can give perps a false sense of security (as in: ‘we cleared John Doe…’) so that they will hopefully go back to their old ways of living and provide more for LE to collect on them. With all the loose ends and people involved, and what appears to be weak scene/trace evidence processing, LE is likely trying to salvage as much of this case as possible and put it together so they at least have a decent chance of conviction in court. A plethora of circumstantial evidence has rightly convicted people in previous cases, but it is not advised to rely on it completely. BTW, what name do you think JC said to the first responders? Jerrick, Derrick, Eric…?

Bryan is one of the four names mentioned. THAT one stands out the most because there is so much history between him and Jessica. Notwithstanding, the entire family gets into it with Jessica since May 2013, long after he’s been exiled to Iowa. It has only been 1.5 years, and the grudge continuing with his extended family makes a case of motive. It’s practically a gang and then within it another extended gang of what – 5 ppl?

LE said they worked on the crime scene most of the night. I hope they got video of every single inch of the scene plus. Is it possible that LE wants everyone to believe they did a totally sloppy job of processing the scene so the killers will feel confident that they won’t be convicted if caught?
And, you’re spot on about circumstantial evidence and a lot of convictions don’t have a smoking gun. Scott Peterson was convicted on circumstantial evidence and he’s on death row. He was convicted without showing how he killed Laci and Connor.

Well, the thread is getting close to going “coo koo” so I thought I’d go ahead and post the link to my map that I had to redo. This is not the original one I had started earlier in the week and will take a bit of time to rebuild what I had. You can keep checking back to it as I continue to build it out (that includes transferring your stuff Charlie/Diane/Ms ST). It will include POI, known character location, locations of possible related events, speculated movements and a make shift timeline. Let me know if you’d like to collaborate on it, that includes you SD or Mods. All I would need is an email address to add you to the share function to be able to edit it.

I will be asking for help as I try to go back and gather pieces of the puzzle we have already laid out on the floor, from Panolian, Clarion-Ledger article clippings, YouTube video clips, photos, etc.; anything and everything to corroborate what we think we know, such as, using obits/arrest blotter for addresses and location of events.

yes, hopfully, my changes are refreshing what everyone can see at the URL. Let me know if it is? I am adding possible driving routes to the locations from Recon’s map (based off DA’s timeline) that I imported.

I can’t recall exactly the name of the Mclenic or Mcleric who stated to LE he heard loud pipes that night passing through that area. It may be helpful to put that on your map even if the witness is not vetted, and is impossible to vet. But we shouldn’t dismiss evidence too early without more info. I’d be curios to know how close this ‘ear witness’ is. Loud pipes can be as loud as a train. I know it is said mostly white ‘rednecks’ drive loud pipes rather than stealth gang bangers, but I tend to think this is an unfortunate stereotyping and we should consider all possibilities in any case. JMHO. Tyvm in advance if you so do.

Will do. That’s the kind of thing I meant by “needing help” in gathering info. If you can find where that info is like location and supporting documentation, I remember there being a video of him talking about it.

Ok, I’ll check for address and name later tonight. No hurry :). yes it’s me popeyes, zigg. Not just one eye now. I thought every1 knew sorry. Keep it low down because the eye thing is painful :O. Need medicating and I don’t mean just eye drops.

Depends on which way the zooms went, towards or away from crime scene. I can usually tell which way a loud car is traveling. Aside from the firetruck which may or may not have siren or horns blasting, the truck itself is usually well maintained so not noisy on the pipes itself. It may not mean anything, but it is a so called witness, and we ought to see how realistic the ear witness could be given we’re pinpointing Jessica’s travel and POI, keys dumped and routes of escape.

Also notice Meme Knowitsme posts the new JC Missing Puzzle Pieces FB group to Boone inviting him to join the group. Yesterday I saw that Boone and DT (now using Rachael DMr on FB) had both join the group – Today Meme Knowitsme is listed as the group’s administrator…Now why would the Admin person invite Boone to join this group?
The name Meme Knowitsme sounds like another Sandy Letmeshowuhowtodoitbetta Rudd FB page – – a fake JC page to gather info ?

Daggone this kindle – I need to get back to my laptop. My twitchy fingers hit all kinds of buttons I don’t mean to hit!

Anyway – I can’t find the page now. And I’m kicking myself for not taking a screenshot. I got out of the groove of doing that constantly. But I remember thinking how odd it was to see Boone Mista and Lisa in the same group.

I see….they want to keep up with the latest news – if you go to Boone’s FB page you’ll see that just yesterday “Meme Knowitsme” sent him the link to the new JC group and he joined it immediately. Did you check out that Gotti Hussein character on Boone’s page?

Me too. Who calls themselves Gotti and why would someone from Compton (Boyz in the Hood area) buddy up with someone like Boone Mista in rural Miss.? All of them “self employed” but wear high end clothes and shoes… hmm.

I just read that article about Confidential Informants and wow. Very informative. I had no idea that LE would be so careless and feckless with CI’s. Lisa and the rest of Jessica’s family needs to get in touch with the Rachel’s Law parents. If you haven’t read the article, I strongly encourage you all to see it. It fits a lot of the odd things going on with Jessica before she was killed, the weird investigation and the rest. I could be wrong, but wow, just wow.