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[03:33] Anyone here wanna translate a few things in german for me?
[03:33] pm me
[03:34] Just a couple sentences, that's all
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[08:46] :-)
[08:48] datagram: Still need that german translation?
[08:51] hi Floff
[08:51] Mizcu: .
[09:21] Yeah Fluffy
[09:22] One sec
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[09:26] hmm
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[15:49] hrm.
[15:49] hrm.
[15:50] hrm.
[16:00] whats up guys?
[16:01] anyone doing anything worthy of discussion?
[16:02] im mostly eating, and even though food is good for discussion, i dont feel like having such
[16:03] I see
[16:03] I'm currently toying with the idea of making a 6TB raid system
[16:04] w00t! 750GB disks are already in stock?!
[16:05] bvowk: why would you need a 6TB system?
[16:05] why do people always ask that sort of thing?
[16:06] 500 users with research computing data sets = always, always full disk.
[16:06] :)
[16:06] the most disk they have, the more they can play with, the more playing they do..
[16:06] same with computrons
[16:06] computrons?
[16:07] processors
[16:07] I've never reached the limit of my hd space
[16:07] think of a computron like an elementary particle of calculation...
[16:08] And I only needed more cpu power while writing a rtrt with brx
[16:08] damn this train on constantly improving computers
[16:08] well, you've got no imagination!
[16:08] :)
[16:08] that's why I ask
[16:09] I personally have at least 30 machines..
[16:09] its never enough.
[16:11] I personally have 2 machines a 1.3 (well actually 1.0 'cause I did something wrong when building all together) and 1,7 GHz
[16:12] this machine is a dual 2.6Ghz :)
[16:12] my one machine is bigger than all your computrons put together!
[16:12] sorry.. I just finished playing some unreal against someone.. still in trash talk mode.
[16:13] I've got 768 and 1024 mb ram!
[16:13] hm
[16:13] :)
[16:13] I've got 2GB :)
[16:14] man, 400GB disks are cheap
[16:14] In front of my pcs _me_ is sitting ... top that!
[16:14] heh
[16:14] meh, I hear that fiveop guy only has *2* computers..
[16:15] I've got a brain
[16:15] that's enough!
[16:16] manual thought?! good lord! is this the dark ages? :)
[16:16] next you'll tell me you solve crosswords and sudoku by hand too! :)
[16:17] I don't solve these at all
[16:17] all I solve are my maths assignments ;)
[16:17] actually.. math assignments can be fun
[16:17] sometimes
[16:17] I got complimented last time! :-)
[16:17] although, I recently took a math course (not from here) that was filled with really idiotic errors, and that was very frusterating.
[16:17] oh shit
[16:18] I hate that we log all this
[16:18] ;)
[16:18] heh
[16:19] when you realize you didn't get the same answer as the other guy, because he decided that root(2) = 1, and that removes about 20 minutes of algebraic abuse to get things back into the time domain....
[16:19] you realize that your instructor needs to be beaten about the head and face with a slide rule
[16:21] that, and when the exams have obviously never been proof-read
[16:21] so fiveop: playing nano?
[16:21] nope
[16:21] playing math studies
[16:23] unter-grad?
[16:23] I'm in the fourth semester
[16:23] in october I'll have my 'Vordiplom'
[16:25] tek-skool then? :)
[16:25] university
[16:25] (Technische Universität Ilmenau acutally)
[16:25] 2 year program tho?
[16:26] * bvowk is confused by the strange ways of those on the other side of the atlantic.
[16:26] 4,5 years
[16:26] I'll have my Diplom in about three years
[16:26] ahh!
[16:26] you could perhaps compare it with a master
[16:27] and you're focused on math?
[16:27] any field in particular?
[16:27] not yet
[16:28] in the the first two years (called 'grundstudium') we learn the basics ;)
[16:28] I see
[16:29] so the fun hasn't started yet, you're still in the gruntwork stage :)
[16:30] but it's getting closer ;)
[16:31] any ideas what you'd like to work on?
[16:32] I already know what I don't want to do
[16:32] oh?
[16:32] going to share or afraid the logs will haunt you when your future collegues realize you thought their field was crap? :)
[16:33] I guess I will specialize in nonlinear optimazation or something in the field of graph theroy
[16:34] good lord.
[16:34] why do I keep ending up talking to you people?!
[16:34] these are _currently_ the things that sounds most interesting and promissing
[16:34] (I'm just kidding)
[16:34] bvowk: hm?
[16:34] you're about the 5th person I've talked to recently who's said that..
[16:34] what?
[16:36] that they're studying or intending to study nonlinear optimization, or in a pinch, graph theory :)
[16:36] hm
[16:37] I would like the do something in the field of neuroinformatics after getting my Diplom
[16:37] yeah?
[16:37] computational?
[16:38] computational what?
[16:38] or the plain boring wet version?
[16:38] hm
[16:38] I guess computational theory? :P
[16:38] I find the computational * informatics fields facinating
[16:38] to work with neuro-nets, eh?
[16:39] such things
[16:40] I'm quite interested in mining data for insights :)
[16:40] asw is doing cool stuff in that vien with the human genome
[16:42] * bvowk bets that puts fiveop around 21 years of age
[16:42] hrm.. might be high..
[16:43] which should i choose, once/if i get to study in the place i plan to..
[16:44] in about three weeks I'll be 21 ;)
[16:44] damn I'm good :)
[16:44] bah, ive been 21 for -- 5 days!
[16:44] * bvowk has been way too old for way too long.
[16:44] whatcha thinking about studying miz?
[16:44] and where?
[16:45] http://www.evtek.fi/technology/programmes/inftech
[16:45] if you're wildly rich you can come study math here and I'll have someone to play FPS games with who likely doesn't suck :)
[16:46] is giant switching hardware a space concern in finland?
[16:46] the rj45 to fill that port would be larger than that girls head!
[16:46] We like heavy-duty
[16:46] what sort of enjunearing would you study?
[16:47] that link that i gave had 4 lines of study where i could choose from
[16:47] yeah, I was wondering if you were leaning towards any of them
[16:47] Telecom or Soft-engineering
[16:48] embedded engineering is fun.. but I don't think I could do it all day and have it still be fun
[16:48] after a little while, I yearn for huge boxes dripping with computronium
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[16:49] "augh! I have to scrape another 280 cycles out of that interrupt path or else we break the realtime promise..."
[16:49] (-:
[16:49] Greetings Mr Vowk
[16:50] heya simple
[16:50] aol?
[16:50] I'm so sorry.
[16:50] )-:
[16:51] mizcu: you're not worried about the coming death of the telcom industry? you just have to look at the trade rags to see its all on its way down! viop is the future
[16:52] whats up simple?
[16:53] there has been a nice response to my nano request (-:
[16:54] indeed!
[16:54] its nice to see what daves been kicking our asses with all this time eh?
[16:55] now we can kick back!
[16:56] my warriors seem to be moving up (-:
[16:56] excellent..
[16:57] and yours seem to be dropping off )-:
[16:57] bvowk: how about starting to evolve for tiny? ;)
[16:57] since you've got thirty pcs at your service
[16:58] don't wipe the tiny hill please show a little restraint
[16:58] yeah, they've been kicking my ass
[16:58] you could write normal warriros for tiny
[16:58] I wrote a huge pile of code last night nowever (as my wife was away for the day working with her horse)
[16:59] so I'm hoping I'll be back in the game soon
[16:59] and with better results
[16:59] I must get back onto the tiny hill
[17:00] bvowk: i've known the coming demise for quite long already, thats why i have been thinking more about Software Engineering and Computer Networking. They do have a quite back of Professional subjects to study.
[17:00] my warrioralready aged to 26
[17:00] 'already' :P
[17:01] miz: I doubt the telcom industry will ever be in serious trouble.. the beauty of the POTS is that your phone works independantly of your other services...
[17:01] people underestimate how important that actually is.
[17:02] hm
[17:02] I use a phone about once a week
[17:02] I don't even have a moble
[17:02] +i
[17:02] especially given how incredibly shitty and spotty computer services generally are :)
[17:02] fiveop: yeah, I'm the same way, I use the phone about once a week when my parents call, and random work calls
[17:03] I use a phone about 250 times per week
[17:03] InfSec sounds "exciting", but it has high risk-potential, DSP might require more maths than i can handle, Computer engineering is kinda following on my fathers path, ComNetworks wont be out of job for a while
[17:04] info security is really interesting.. however, it can be quite frustrating, because you can scream from the roof-tops and nobody listens..
[17:05] I mean, its absolutely utterly impossible to secure a windows box.. don't argue with me, its true, if you attach it to a network, or let someone work on it, its likely holed, and rootkitted six ways from sunday..
[17:05] but people just keep plodding along with it..
[17:06] it'll likely stay that way until the "big wipe" happens.. when millions of grandmothers all around the world lose their digital pictures of their grandkids...
[17:06] especially given that companies can take hundreds of days to patch known flaws...
[17:07]
[17:08] lol
[17:09] it nearly reached bash quality
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[17:10] heh
[17:11] * asw waves
[17:11] datagram: where can I find details of the tournament? (-:
[17:11] * bvowk dies of shock
[17:12] hey bvowk - how is it going?
[17:12] hey asw, I've got a sun T2K on my desk right now..
[17:12] would you like to twiddle on it?
[17:12] Spedcs?
[17:12] how much RAM?
[17:12] you know anything about the T1?
[17:12] no
[17:12] * asw is all ears
[17:13] ok, so its a highly multi-threaded processor, you get 4 or 8 per core, up to 2 cores iirc..
[17:13] so the bigger boxes will run apparently run like they have 32 processors..
[17:14] however, they've got a single FPU... but from what we discussed, I was thinking your load would be mostly integer stuff..
[17:14] they'll only currently hold 16GB per box...
[17:14] yeah. but this isn't a dedicated JVM box?
[17:14] I've heard of those...
[17:14] no, it's got a full compiler suite and everything..
[17:14] still, sounds interesting.
[17:14] its a specialized sparc box
[17:15] I'm guessing it's pricier than my 1U opterons...
[17:15] so sun is *REALLY* desperate for someone to come up with something that makes this girl shine..
[17:15] yeah. that's interesting.
[17:15] Want to put us in touch with someone on their team?
[17:15] so they're selling them for cheap, and if your project (which is fairly well known) could make use of them, they'd likely *GIVE* you want you want
[17:15] I'm happy to take a few...
[17:16] well, if you want, you can play on this demo I've got..
[17:16] see if your code really does run..
[17:16] ok. Do you have my public key?
[17:16] oh we are doing a bunch of stuff in perl. it's pretty easy to port that. ;)
[17:16] maybe, better email it to me..
[17:16] we prototype everything in perl
[17:16] maybe python...
[17:16] but these things are low power (which is kinda nice) and they're pretty damn cheap.
[17:16] but not doing much of that yet.
[17:17] yeah. i'm totally interested.
[17:17] we've been talking about approaching Sun. but we don't have a contact.
[17:17] I'll email you my key.
[17:17] ok, let me take it down to the graveyard and fire it up..
[17:17] just a sec
[17:17] its too loud for my office :)
[17:17] are they 1u?
[17:17] this one is 2u
[17:17] they make 1u's
[17:17] that's fine.
[17:17] i don't care...
[17:18] how many Watts?
[17:18] what does u mean?
[17:18] and who's "we" asw?
[17:18] u is unit, meaning the amount of rack space it takes up..
[17:18] server racks--for no reason I can think of--are measured in "U"
[17:18] 1u is about 2" thick
[17:18] more like 1.5"
[17:18] yea
[17:18] but it's not a metric meassure either
[17:18] it's just random
[17:18] as far as i can tell
[17:19] well, its based off old telco equipment..
[17:19] 42u is a standard rack that fits through a doorway
[17:19] so I expect at one time they had the default relay size
[17:19] and its been that way ever since
[17:19] so 2u is great. URL for the specs?
[17:19] http://www.sun.com/servers/index.jsp?cat=CoolThreads%20Servers&tab=3&subcat=UltraSPARC%20T1
[17:20] asm
[17:20] sorry
[17:20] fiveop - We = the Church lab, our collaborators and volunteers
[17:20] they're like 75W
[17:20] very nice
[17:20] don't now the curch lab ;)
[17:20] church lab is a pretty famous lab
[17:20] George Church wrote the cover story of January's Scientific American.
[17:21] We have a lot of projects...
[17:22] DNA stuff?
[17:22] DNA Synthesis is the foundation of biological based Nanotechnology
[17:23] DNA sequencing is the foundation of personalized medicine and personal genomics
[17:23]