think that was? >> you know, part of it waspresidentobama's strategy.he wanted to come in looking presidential. david axlerod says in a conference call this week with reporters that the president didn't want the american people to see two candidates on stage insulting each other and for that reason he stayed above the fray but he needed to look for aggressive. >> stay above the fray? right after the debate, the president's campaign officials and advisories called mitt romney a liar. >> they absolutely did. and i think that's because they realized the strategy didn't work. >> let me ask you about campaign contributions. the obama campaign saying that 181 million i believe was raised in small donations. nevertheless, governor romney was able to raise more than 10 million right after that debate. what does that mean, those campaign contributions, at this point? >> the president's campaign had such a big month in september because a lot of his supporters thought he was going to win and they wanted buy in and they put up the biggest month any campaign has had in this election season. i

is gone from his speech. short term positives are there forpresidentobamabutlong term you look at the historical numbers in terms of unemployment in presidential reelection years and depth of the political challenges are great here. >> heather: i'll ask you more about historically in a moment but the numbers have been called into question. there is actually a huge disconnect between the modest of new jobs report and significant decrease in the unemployment rate. jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey, 800,000 plus number, there is a lot of margin for error, possibly as much as 400,000. that is admitted by folks within the labor department

with his own fact checkingers. coming out ofthepresidentialdebate,they said thatpresidentobamalostthe momentum and governor romney gained some momentum. do you think that paul ryan will be able to keep that momentum up? >> i absolutely do. he is great legislator. he has a vision for this country. people, when he was picked as a vice presidential candidate republicans rallied around him. he has been helpful in battleground states like wisconsin. the challenge is for the democrats, they keep saying -- oh, romney lied. guess what? they lost the last debate and they can't get over it. they are now putting this blanketed blame on romney. it's unbelievable to me. why can't they fegss and you say they lost. >> heather: there is some pundits have said they found surprising and that was president obama did not address the 47 of or bain capital. do you think biden will do that? >> yes. he should address it, but i think he should address paul ryan's makers versus takers, he said 30%. he didn't say 47%. he said 30% are moochers take from government. there is a lot of material. he clearly has

for in these subsequent debates. >> reporter: they reject that charge. theysayobamacampthat has a five trillion tax cut plan that is falling apart. all eyes is furnishing to the next debate. it's not presidential debate, it's the vice presidential nominees that will be squaring off in kentucky. here is preview. >> paul ryan has been very specific about what he would do in a budget. that is a budget that would be bad for our economy, bad for job growth. it would increase taxes on 18 million people. so we have a few more rounds to go in this fight. >> reporter: now, republicans believe it will be a target rich environment to go going in for joe biden. clooney will be and katy perry will be, stevie wonder and all kinds of hollywood a-list with the eyes turning to the vice presidential debate. a lost questions whether that will really have an impact. you have seen some of those big vp debates that really didn't have a big effect in the end on the actual race. >> gregg: ed henry on the stacy keyboard her watch. >> reporter: good to see you. >> gregg: we don't care about george. we are looking for stacy.

and stands in the face of staggering numbers from thebarackobamacampaignreporting last month they collected over $181 million. that does not rival what obama did four years ago in october, before the 2008 presidential election, but is still a massive amount of money, last night, talking to the romney campaign and the big fund-raising dollars the obama campaign was putting up, romney staffers smiled as if to suggest they might top it. >> arthel: and also a statement, romney pushing his tax policy, this weekend, right? >> reporter: of course in the wake of the debate in which the romney campaign it really defined the race, a choice between a dependency society with rising taxes that could hurt the recovery, versus the romney agenda which could cut taxes and rely fully on a smaller government and individual responsibility and entrepreneurial spirit and the romney campaign is attacking ever harder. here's a sample from last night. >> it has been calculated his tax plan raising taxes will cost 700,000 jobs. i will not raise taxes on small business and not raise taxes on middle inc

look toward the vice-presidential debate. what's the latest on that front? >> reporter: it's a slugfest in the ad war, continuing to go at each other, over who is telling the dispriewght who wasn't. the obama campaign accuses governor rom no of being untruthful, talking about his plan to lower tax rates, saying it would result in a $5 trillion tax cut for the wealthy. the governor hitting back with another ad, saying the obama campaign is not being truthful, even the president's deputy campaign manager has stipulated that that tax cut won't be anywhere near $5 trillion. expect that to go on back and forth, with the exception that governor recommendny will be switching tacts to go to foreign policy. we will be looking forward to that one and this event here in port saint lucie. >> jamie: john roberts, staying on the trail for us. thank you. >> eric: with 30 days to go, what do the voters want to hear? what do president obama and mitt romney need to do to clinch the white house? we have the chairman of civic foreign pac and a former political adviser to democratic new jersey senator frank

of a week from tuesday's all importantsecondpresidentialdebate.in the meantime traveling the i-4 corridor in this area. split in 2008 and yesterday in peterson and tampa bay area where president obama took both counties four years ago and the government hitting on thes between himself and the president this weekend. >> he for instance is going to raise taxes and his vice-president blurted out the truth. they plan on raising them trillion and it is two trillion when you put it together. that is an increase on taxes in maul business and that will mean less jobs. >>> and in the meantime obama campaign continues to hit mitt romney on the idea of being dishonest and nigh add out there saying he was not for a five trillion tax cut he was lying about that as he was when he said the president wants to raise the taxes $4000. obama disputed that that was independent but did not dispute the $4000 figure. and in the meantime president in cleveland making fun of mitt romney. listen to this. >> for all of you moms and kids out there. don't worry, somebody is getting tough on big bird. elmo, yo

are still high like they are here in california that's what you're going going to vote on andtheobamaadministrationfailed. >> jamie: doug and angela, have a great saturday and always good to talk to you. we're just five days away from the first and only debate between the vice-presidential candidates and interesting debate between joe biden and paul ryan will cover both foreign and domestic policy on thursday, october 11th and we will have live coverage and analysis beginning at 8:55 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. . >> new details revealed in the death of u.s. border patrol agent nicholas ivie, fbi officials now saying friendly fire was likely to blame near the arizona-mexico border. investigators say they're still looking into the case for definitive answers, meanwhile, homeland security secretary janet napolitano making a trip to nicholas' homes and expressing condolences and joining her on the trip. the border patrol commander says that nicholas ivie died a true hero. >> investigators have made progress into the investigation, into agent ivy's death and are looking into the possibi

has been debating since the early 1900s. he has done 18 debates already--presidentialorvice-presidential debates. i think he is relatable. i don't take him lightly. i think that paul will be prepared. but joe bidenville to deliver big-time, based on the debate nabarack obama put on the board last wednesday. so he is going to be prepared. he will want to score in points. >> shannon: congresswoman, final response to you and your expect eggs with the debate this weerk in. >> i have debated paul ryan in the budget committee and news interviews like this one. he is certainly a good debater, will come well prepared. vice-president biden will as well. paul ryan has a tall order. is he going to spell out the details that he refused to spell out on this network because he said he didn't have time? he will have 90 minutes. he will have a chance to say why he proposed and mitt romney has embraced, turning medicare into a voucher system. mitt romney said that he thinks the medicare guarantee should end and we should turn it into a voucher system and decrease benefits for seniors in medicare to make

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