Judge orders tobacco companies to admit deception

599 additives are on the composite list released to the government in 1994 by tobacco companies of what may be added to cigarettes. This list includes
all ingredients that are used although it does not tell which companies they are used by or which brands they are used in.

Hydrogen cyanide has been used in prison executions. It's also found in cigarette smoke.
There's hydrogen cyanide in rat poison. The same stuff is in cigarette smoke.

Sodium hydroxide is a caustic compound found in hair removal products. It was found in cigarettes in 1994.

There are 11 known human carcinogens in cigarette smoke.

An ingredient in mothballs- naphthalene- is also found in cigarette smoke.

Urea is found in cigarettes. Urea is also found in Pee.

Cadmium is found in cigarettes. Cadmium is also found in batteries.

Toluene is found in cigarette smoke. Toluene is also found in gasoline.

Cinnemaldyhyde is found in cigarettes. Cinnemaldehyde is also found in pet repellant.

Methanol is found in cigarettes. Methanol is also found in antifreeze.

Hydrazine is found in cigarettes. Hydrazine is also found in rocket fuel.

Acetone is found in cigarette smoke. Acetone also removes nail polish.

Geraniol is found in cigarettes. Geraniol is also found in pesticides.

Formaldehyde is found in cigarette smoke. It's also used to preserve dead animals.

Toluene is found in cigarette smoke. Toluene is also found in explosives.

Acetanisole is found in cigarettes. Acetanisole is also an ingredient in some perfumes.

Acetic Acid is found in cigarettes. Acetic Acid is also found in floor wipes.

In the U.S., 443,000 people die a tobacco-related death every year.
In the U.S.,128,922 people die each year from lung, trachea, and bronchus cancers caused by smoking. 3,400 of these deaths result from secondhand
smoke.
In the U.S., 35,326 people die each year from cancers other than lung, trachea, and bronchus caused by smoking
174,497 people die from smoking-related and secondhand smoke related cardiovascular diseases each year.
103,338 people die from smoking-related respiratory diseases each year (pneumonia, bronchitis, emphysema, chronic airways obstruction).
In the U.S., 3,400 people die each year from secondhand smoke-related lung cancer.
In the U.S., tobacco kills more Americans than AIDS, alcohol, car accidents, murders, suicides, drugs, and fires combined.
Since 1964, there have been more than 12 million tobacco-related deaths in the U.S.

That's all they get.. a slap on the wrist for killing people? That's Insane.

To those who don't think it's been proven smoking kills your deluded. Smoke is in itself a carcinogen, a cancer causing agent. This has been proven
and it's been proven that long term exposure to carcinogens - gives you cancer and there fore kills you.

I smoked for 22 years then switch to the better tasting non harmful electronic cigarette two years ago. It was my life saver because nothing else I
tried could get me to quit smoking. I still get my nicotine in a harmless form and still get to blow out big clouds of thick white vapor that
resembles smoke. It's fun, high tech, trendy and can save your life. If you can't quit any other way, I urge you to check them out.

So, John you smoked for 22 years? Did you die, no? You are living proof that smoking does not kill -- you smoked for 22 years and did not die. Are
you unusual, no? Many people smoke all their lives and do not die, therefore we can conclude that smoking does not kill. If it did, then you would
be dead.

I did not die because I quit smoking. I have no doubt if I had not quit there would be a much greater chance of my dieing from a smoking related
disease in the future. Why? Because my body is now healing from the harm of smoking. This has been confirmed by my doctor.

How old are you? Do you smoke? If so, How long have you been smoking?

I'm 44. I have had lung damage from the smoking that is now healing. I can breath much easier than I could before I quit smoking. I have more
stamina, more energy. There is proof smoking caused this damage and proof if your healthy enough when you quit, the body can heal itself.

JohnPhoenix, congrats on quitting. You did the right thing.
I have been telling everyone I know who smokes that if they quit now, they may have a chance to heal their bodies.
It is possible, if the damage is not too far gone.
Hang in there! It sounds like you are on the right path. Don't ever give up!

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I did not die because I quit smoking. I have no doubt if I had not quit there would be a much greater chance of my dieing from a smoking related
disease in the future. Why? Because my body is now healing from the harm of smoking. This has been confirmed by my doctor.

How old are you? Do you smoke? If so, How long have you been smoking?

I'm 44. I have had lung damage from the smoking that is now healing. I can breath much easier than I could before I quit smoking. I have more
stamina, more energy. There is proof smoking caused this damage and proof if your healthy enough when you quit, the body can heal itself.

Answer my questions and we will go from there.

John, you state that you have no doubt that had you not quit there would be a much greater chance of dying from a smoking related disease in the
future.

So smoking did not kill you, but it may in the future. So you are now admitting that smoking may or may not kill. Now you are introducing
qualifiers into the statement 'smoking kills'. Now we are talking about the introduction of risk. There are risks involved with everything.

I have smoked for twenty years. I regularly need health checks for work permits and not once has a doctor been able to determine that I am a
smoker.

I am happy for you that you feel have made the right decision to stop smoking, me I will continue to smoke moderately, for my health.

Some people have a genetic predisposition to either be more harmed by smoking or not. You don't know which type of person you are until it's too late.
There is nothing in my statements that disqualifies "smoking kills" because it absolutely Can kill you or anyone else. You might be lucky and smoke
for 80 years and wind up dying from a non smoking related disease or get hit by a car. The facts are as BlueAja said, there are tons of chemicals in
smoking tobacco and more created through combustion. These can effect your health in a negative way with enough exposure, as can smoke itself that's
grown naturally without all the added chemicals. The chemicals in commercial cigarettes just cause the process to take effect more quickly. .These are
proven facts although this process effects everyone differently.

I hope you never have to find out what it's like not to be able to run a block because you can't breath or have no energy or other smoking related
symptoms of disease. For me, I Loved smoking. I did not want to quit and found no matter what i tried i could not quit. This is why i choose to use a
non potentially lethal electronic cigarette. It gives me everything I want from smoking by "vaping" ( we inhale and exhale a vapor with liquid
nicotine exactly like a nicotine inhaler - only much better - it looks, feels and taste exactly like smoking) without the down side. My doctors tell
me my body is healing at a rate of someone who quit cold turkey. Works for me and is just as enjoyable as smoking. If you ever find yourself being
effected by smoking in a negative way, you may want to look into these electronic cigarettes.

I love the blackmarket here in Australia and one reason why I have respect for some of the Muslims here is because of their bravery to provide raw
tobacco. They are providing a great service in their new home

I think cancer in general is a major killer. I have smoked since I was 15 years old. My dad a lot longer and no sign of lung cancer etc. His brother
wasn't so lucky. One visit to the doctors and black spots all over the inside of his body. He never smoked and lived off the land. The world is a
funny place sometimes. He was gone about 12 months later. My dad continues on.

Smoking may be a killer over time but there are surely worse thing you can come into contact with wihci will kill you much quicker.

Originally posted by deessell
It is worth noting that there are still NO conclusive studies that prove that smoking tobacco kills. Bearing that in mind, the de-normalisation of
smoking is social engineering.

Or is it more to do with the war between Big Pharma and Big Tobacco.

Sure..that is what I would like to believe too as a daily smoker. The words ignorant and deny are applicable in this matter.

The following picture are sets of healthy and smokerlungs. And yes..they really are. Still doesn't say anything about the set on the left having
cancer but would you not agree that there is a slightly more chance cancer would develop when smoking?

Its different for everyone. Not every smoker will be diagnosed with cancer down the track. I refer to an old friend who died not so long ago. She was
in her 80's, had smoked since she was 17 years old. She died of natural causes 3 years ago. Not one sign of lung cancer or any other cancer.

You do run a risk smoking but there are worse things you can be exposed too.

Originally posted by predator0187
I'm a smoker, and if some company released readily available cigarettes that were just plain tobacco

"Natural Spirit"

It comes in a yellow and blue box with American Indian imagery on the package. Sold in all 7-11s.

Not that I'm advocating smoking as an x-smoker. But there you go.

Be forewarned: You'll miss those 5,000 other chemicals.

Also, to the person who went to the electronic cig: First, good job, second, you can wheen (sp?) yourself off the nicotene if you so desire with
those.........that's how I quit. Almost 2 years nicotene free now.

The excuses everyone is giving here, "I know so-and-so smoked for years and was fine"... etc. etc. - you sound just like my husband. Those are the
same things that he said when I, and others, tried to get him to quit.

All of you may not be around long enough to regret your denial. It will be your family members who face the regrets.

I hope you never have to hear a coroner telling you that the cause of your loved one's sudden death was caused directly by years of smoking. I hope
your family does not have to live with hearing that, including your children who would then be growing up without their father or mother.

Originally posted by predator0187
I'm a smoker, and if some company released readily available cigarettes that were just plain tobacco

"Natural Spirit"

It comes in a yellow and blue box with American Indian imagery on the package. Sold in all 7-11s.

Not that I'm advocating smoking as an x-smoker. But there you go.

Be forewarned: You'll miss those 5,000 other chemicals.

Also, to the person who went to the electronic cig: First, good job, second, you can wheen (sp?) yourself off the nicotene if you so desire with
those.........that's how I quit. Almost 2 years nicotene free now.

edit on 28-11-2012 by HandyDandy because: (no reason given)

These are what I smoked till I quit as well. Nat Sherman's are another brand like American Spirit if you are more of an east coaster.

Sorry, there's no tar, nail polish remover, or rat poison in vegetables. Furthermore, if you eat veggies your entire life you'll likely turn out
rather healthy. The same can't be said for smokers. If smoking was so harmless as you make it out to be, why is it that so many smokers develop so
many health problems? Lung cancer doesn't usually cause itself, just saying.

Should the lungs of smokers be included in lung transplants? A new study suggests their inclusion may be warranted.

The study found that lung transplant patients who receive smokers' lungs still are more likely to survive than those who refuse such lungs and remain
on the transplant waiting list.

The lives of patients who receive smokers' lungs, however, tended to be shorter than those who receive the lungs of non-smokers, the British
researchers added....

The issue is not just a British one -- speaking to the Associated Press, Dr. Normam Edelman, chief medical officer for the American Lung Association,
said smokers' lungs are also used for transplant in the United States, although he did not have data on how common the practice might be.

But the bottom line from the new study is that "patients awaiting lung transplantation in the U.K. are likely to survive longer if they are willing
to accept lungs from any suitable donor, irrespective of smoking history," lead author Dr. Robert Bonser, of the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in
Birmingham and the University of Birmingham, said in a journal news release. "Donors with a positive smoking history provide nearly 40 percent of the
lungs available for transplantation [in the U.K.] Rejection of this donor-organ resource would increase waiting-list mortality and is ill-advised."

Also, to the person who went to the electronic cig: First, good job, second, you can wheen (sp?) yourself off the nicotene if you so desire with
those.........that's how I quit. Almost 2 years nicotene free now.

Yes, I can ween myself off the nicotine as it comes in every strength you can imagine from zero to full cigarette strength. But - there really is no
need to because the strong attraction I had to smoking is gone. It turns out those 5000 chemicals in burning tobacco is more responsible for getting
you addicted than nicotine via compounds called Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.

Nicotine since it was found out about ( data first released by Big Tobacco) was used as a scape goat for all the other chemicals the tobacco industry
did not want you to know about. It wasn't until years later we learned of all the other chemicals.

Electronic cigarette users who make the switch cleanly notice after the first couple of weeks that they don't have the cravings they used to have -
the addiction is mostly gone even though they use the same amount of nicotine ( or higher) they used while smoking. Some people who tried electronic
cigarettes found that it did not satisfy the cravings - Looking into why this happens is how Whole Tobacco Alkaloids were discovered. These people
were so addicted to these other chemicals in tobacco that nicotine alone would not satisfy them.

I enjoy my nicotine and have no desire to give it up even though I don't have a strong physical addiction to it. I use it recreationalaly just like I
do with coffee. You have to understand the effects of nicotine in this purer form without all the other chemicals effects the body differently than it
does with smoking. You can actually feel the stimulant effect on your system like as if you drank a strong cup of coffee. I enjoy this. It can be
strong enough that it can keep you awake at night. You don't get this effect at all from smoking cigarettes. Scientist and doctors who study this say
nicotine in this form is only very mildly addictive, no more than caffeine and it is also like caffiene both a central nervous system stimulant and a
vascular constrictor ( can constrict blood vessels) but no more than caffeine does. They say, if you are healthy enough to drink coffee, your healthy
enough to use an electronic cigarette and have the same health risks associated with using caffeine. This risk ex smokers like me deem very acceptable
for the pleasure of having a smoking like product that won't kill us.

I'll add that it's not the nicotine that kills or causes health problems, it's the smoke itself as it is the carcinogen. Many quit smoking programs
call nicotine the NicoDemon and do other things to demonize nicotine but they are in error. Used responsibly nicotine in it's liquid form without all
the other chemicals from tobacco poses very little health risks. The vapor from electronic cigarettes does not harm the lungs, heart or body at
all.

Tobacco companies are greedy and evil because they put profit before the health of others.
They intentionally put addictive chemicals in their product to make it very difficult to quit.
And they marketed to teens, when they were allowed to, when my husband was young for example, in such a way to make smoking seem glamorous and
cool.
They killed millions of people, not just my husband. That is evil.

What other product would be allowed to be on the market for generations, when it has been proven to kill people?
The money, greed and power of the tobacco industry are what keeps them going.
They have been allowed to hide the truth and minimize the harm.
This is a conspiracy site. It would be a good project to research how in the world this has been permitted for so long.

My husband tried unsuccessfully many times to quit when he was older. In the beginning, it was the propaganda spread by those who wish to gloss over
or minimize the risks, such as you see in this thread, which encouraged him to keep smoking.
So - by saying the things that are being said here in support of tobacco companies, you are just encouraging others to ignore the facts.

Your opinion about what you think I sound like has nothing to do with the facts.
It may sound preachy, but if it makes one person think twice about what they are doing, and try to find a way to quit, then it is worth speaking
up.
What is the option? Just shut up, and live with knowing how this can impact someone and the lives of their loved ones?
Sorry - but I will go for the option of spreading the truth.

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