#raspberrypi IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-03-01

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[0:00]<StickUrPony> they sorted it out so that we get more pi[0:00]<nuil> i think every customer should get a case as apology[0:00]<nuil> form rs ans farnell[0:00]* DT_ (54c17513@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.193.117.19) has joined #raspberrypi[0:00]* PiBot sets mode +v DT_[0:00]<SpEcTo> well, hi demand for RS/Farnell is relative... They process HUGE orders, they failed to realize how many individuals would be going for this[0:00]<piofcube> StickUrPony: yep... I hope it's a lesson learned by R-Pi and distributors[0:00]<GabrialDestruir> I mean... just look at what RS did.... they were suppose to be selling them.[0:00]<Androo> piofcube: then that should of been the foundation's first sign that this wasn't going to work well. Not angry about it, it's just stupid ... they had people warning them for months.[0:00]<StickUrPony> I have the perfect apology lined up for anyoen that wants one?[0:00]<zgreg> you probably can't blame the foundation for all the troubles, but they're not free of blame at all :p[0:00]<GabrialDestruir> Instead they forced everyone to a "pre-order" site thing.[0:01]<mdavey> nuil: I think every whiner should be moved to the back of the queue ;)[0:01]<mkopack> It is what it is, and no point getting annoyed any further??? Nothing the Foundation can do about it now??? It was just a lot of mis-communication and poorly executed situation??? We'll get over it and move on.[0:01]<nuil> mdavey: :D[0:01]<Lycanthropist> they probably have a policy of not selling things that don't exist[0:01]<SpEcTo> if this were a company I invested in, or paid a lot of money to, I'd be upset[0:01]<StickUrPony> raspberry pi foundation apology video, sorry eben looks a bit rough, he's been up all night:[0:01]<StickUrPony> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk[0:01]<SpEcTo> this project is to get a cheap pc for students to learn[0:01]<nuil> in 6 Months everybody will laugh about this situation[0:01]<SpEcTo> The fact it has blown out of proportion is the media fest rpi has enjoyed[0:02]<piofcube> For a charity that can get you into deep trouble if you can't be 100% you will get it out in time/etc[0:02]<SkoZombie> StickUrPony: lol[0:02]<StickUrPony> is that apology satisfactory?[0:02]<rely> StickUrPony: Very[0:02]<GabrialDestruir> NO![0:02]<mdavey> GabrialDestruir: They did no such thing. Its up to individuals whether they pre-order or not. And given the huge numbers of people last week that were *insisting* that the Foundation should be taking pre-orders...[0:02]<rely> StickUrPony: At least i liked it[0:02]<Henchman21> PWNY[0:02]<GabrialDestruir> I demand satisfaction! -slaps with white glove-[0:02]<SpEcTo> that's what is funny about this situation[0:02]<StickUrPony> GabrialDestruir, for you[0:02]<StickUrPony> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzgT-fg01vY&feature=related[0:03]<piofcube> For one thing... If they didn't get the R-Pis out but spent the money doing it and a large percentage of people make chargeback/paypal claims... bye bye R-Pi[0:03]* Dr_Dalek (~dalek@76-10-152-15.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:03]* PiBot sets mode +v Dr_Dalek[0:03]* DT (54c17513@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.193.117.19) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[0:03]<SpEcTo> people who won't know what to do with the boards are excited[0:03]<GabrialDestruir> People wanted pre-orders BEFORE the thing was suppose to go on sale[0:03]<StickUrPony> so they could jump a queue[0:03]<SpEcTo> and people are becoming upset they're not receiving and item barely anyone is making money on right away[0:03]<SpEcTo> makes no sense[0:03]<GabrialDestruir> Indeed.[0:03]<Androo> Really though, even if they had planned this well, it would have been hard to create anything that could handle that sort of traffic on such a shoestring budget.[0:04]<GabrialDestruir> But when you've got one site taking "pre-orders" and another site actually selling or something....[0:04]<mkopack> True[0:04]<GabrialDestruir> There's something MAJORLY wrong there.[0:04]* TheDeadCPU (~TheDeadCP@87-98-164-112.kimsufi.com) has left #raspberrypi[0:04]<nuil> I think tomorrow we get some answers vom rpi[0:04]<Androo> GabrialDestruir: It sounds like they didn't have much attention from either of their distributors.[0:04]<nuil> *from[0:04]<mkopack> I'm wondering if I'm going to get the snub from RS since I'm outside the UK??? I DID manage to register interest at like 0601??? right before the server tanked the first time[0:05]<Androo> GabrialDestruir: Today's events may change that.[0:05]<SpEcTo> I want to hear from the sysadmins that were trying to keep their network/systems up[0:05]<piofcube> I'm a bit.. well upset is too strong a word.. that I didn't get to order one of those fabled first batch Pis... but I'm concerned for the foundation... I know this will all even out at some point though so not that concerned[0:05]<Henchman21> i wish everyone would stfu and accept wtf happened 'echo crying > /dev/null'[0:05]<GabrialDestruir> I think I registered for interest like 2 or 3 times .-.[0:05]<StickUrPony> Henchman21 +1[0:05]<mdavey> GabrialDestruir: the site that was selling is the one that's taking preorders. The other site has an interest list. Again, its probably beyond the muscle of the Foundation to demand of the distributors how they run their business to such detail.[0:05]<GabrialDestruir> if they email me back I'm gonna tell them to shove it .-.[0:05]<Henchman21> im sorry i meant to say "everypony"[0:06]* saua (~saua@193.81-167-3.customer.lyse.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[0:06]<GabrialDestruir> According to RS the "interest list" is a "pre-order" list.[0:06]* kism3t (~kism3t@client-86-25-193-211.bsh-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:06]<SpEcTo> most people bought this for a media center I think.. which is stupid... no cases, no easy to use xbmc yet. It's ridiculous! :D[0:06]<Henchman21> i cant wait to grep through my irc logs from this morning[0:06]<StickUrPony> does anyone know how many ponies farnell actually had today?[0:06]<GabrialDestruir> Where as with Farnell you could actually register put it in cart, fill out your CC info, etc.[0:06]<pingec> why would you need a case[0:07]<Henchman21> was scrolling by so fast i couldnt read it[0:07]<nuil> Henchman21: upload it to pastebin, everybody needs to laugh[0:07]<nuil> *wants[0:07]<piofcube> call it a booze-up list if they want... they can not bind you to buying one... they don't have any payment details and you didn't sign anything (even electronically) that committed yourself to buy[0:07]<zgreg> SpEcTo: it's especially stupid because there are severe restrictions for media center usage[0:07]<TheShrew> nuil: think both are applicable :P[0:07]<zgreg> SpEcTo: no MPEG-2, VC-1, etc.[0:07]<SpEcTo> very true[0:07]<nuil> TheShrew: yeah[0:08]<Androo> I'd like to know how the foundation is planning on ensuring that people aren't orering 1 from Farnell and 1 from RS. There's pretty much no way of ensuring 1 per customer when you're taking orders at two separate distributors.[0:08]<mod_eerf> i'd sooner ssh and use mplayer for performance IF i were going to use it as media center[0:08]<mekas> Good question Androo[0:08]<SpEcTo> besids, I bought an asus o!play for $65 and it plays everything... sure it's not xbmc, but it works well[0:08]<xlq> We could really do with GPUs that are (at least) as open as CPUs.[0:08]<mekas> Hard enough to prevent people from gaming the system with a single source[0:08]<GabrialDestruir> piofcube, they were telling people that that the 'Interest list' would be converted to pre-orders once they were done manufacturing their Pis[0:09]<zgreg> SpEcTo: I'm already waiting for people complaining on the forums that XBMC won't run / is hard to install / buggy[0:09]<SpEcTo> it'll be interesting to see failure rates between the manufacturers[0:09]<SpEcTo> zgreg: it will happen[0:09]<GabrialDestruir> That they have to make them because they have no stock[0:09]<piofcube> GabrialDestruir: In the email they sent when you completed the form, they said they would send you instructions on how to buy it when it''s available... or words very similar to it[0:09]<nuil> SpEcTo: maybe, they will produce them together[0:09]<mekas> The question is will RS br doing first on the interest list first served or will the interest list only be an announcement of an it's available if you want to order[0:09]<StickUrPony> imagine yourself, the customer as father jack, mrs.crilly is the foundation and the rpi is the cup:[0:09]<StickUrPony> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNY376o2XMY&feature=related[0:10]<nuil> SpEcTo: less production cost[0:10]<mdavey> nuil: Maybe they'll use R.Pi's manufacturing partners - at least at first.[0:10]<GabrialDestruir> I never received an email[0:10]<GabrialDestruir> lmao[0:10]<StickUrPony> I se quite a few father jacks in here[0:10]<zgreg> SpEcTo: if that happens, I can already say that I'll be majorly pissed. it's not that those people should not have their pi, not at all, but now is not the right time for those people that want an idiot-proof appliance[0:10]<mod_eerf> xbmc is way too taxing to be viable..its a great concept but requires too much of hardware[0:10]<GabrialDestruir> Apparently.... UK companies have issues sending emails when they say they will[0:11]* hp1337 (1711778c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.17.119.140) has joined #raspberrypi[0:11]* PiBot sets mode +v hp1337[0:11]* victhor (~victhor@177.17.104.213) has joined #raspberrypi[0:11]* PiBot sets mode +v victhor[0:11]<SpEcTo> zgreg: it's hard since rpi showed off the airplay stuff and then released the announcement about the xbmc port[0:11]<nuil> GabrialDestruir: hey, the emails must check customs[0:11]<mkopack> Yeah, I never got anything form the RPI mailing list, and haven't gotten anything from RS either[0:11]<zgreg> SpEcTo: yeah, strategically that was bad, maybe[0:11]<GabrialDestruir> Guess I don't pass the custom checks then? xD[0:11]<Androo> Yeah, if you're not a hardware or software hacker, the RPi isn't really for you yet.[0:12]<ingrowntesticle> if i can set up a web browser with keyboard and mouse on a tv and tinker with it i am happy with what i order or preorder or whatever i did[0:12]<GabrialDestruir> I'm neither a hardware or software hacker, but it'll be fun anyways[0:12]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[0:12]<zgreg> ingrowntesticle: the pi isn't great for web browsing[0:12]* kain88 (~smuxi@chello213047121188.26.11.vie.surfer.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:12]<zgreg> but yes, that'll be fun for sure[0:12]* mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0a2/20111010042022])[0:12]<ingrowntesticle> ordered* preordered*[0:12]* peteyg (~pyg@cs-nx-02.csil.sfu.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[0:12]* PiBot sets mode +v peteyg[0:12]<lianj> Androo: does it have i2c ports?[0:13]* issue- (~quassel@188-22-105-201.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:13]<zgreg> lianj: there is a single i2c bus[0:13]<GabrialDestruir> Why wouldn't it be good for web browsing? o.O[0:13]<piofcube> flash I guess LOL[0:13]<haltdef> no X11 acceleration[0:13]<zgreg> lianj: plus you can use GPIO ports to bitbang yourself I2C[0:13]<SpEcTo> 700mhz[0:13]<lianj> zgreg: nice[0:13]<GabrialDestruir> I'd guess flash too xD[0:13]<peteyg> not *yet*, but soon, hopefully.[0:13]<zgreg> yes, no X11 acceleration, plus very slow CPU[0:14]<piofcube> oh and what haltdef said.. I forgot about that[0:14]<zgreg> websites will take AGES to load[0:14]* mkopack (~mkopack@107.31.230.46) Quit (Quit: mkopack)[0:14]<SpEcTo> not if you use elinks or another text based browser :D[0:14]<ingrowntesticle> flashblocker will be in order[0:14]<peteyg> lynx![0:14]<piofcube> You could change your browser headers so you go to the mobile site if you were so inclined LOL[0:14]<Henchman21> my #raspberrypi is 5MB of text[0:14]<Henchman21> log*[0:15]<SpEcTo> are these shipping with a power supply? I thought they weren't[0:15]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[0:15]<Androo> SpEcTo: nope[0:15]<piofcube> no... but looks like farnell will be selling packs[0:15]* EiN_ (~einstein@205.233.81.195) has joined #raspberrypi[0:15]<SpEcTo> another item most people probably ignored[0:15]* PiBot sets mode +v EiN_[0:15]<hp1337> MAY 10TH!!![0:15]<hp1337> thats when newark ships mine[0:15]* peteyg (~pyg@cs-nx-02.csil.sfu.ca) Quit (Client Quit)[0:16]<mod_eerf> midori and disable flash....shoot I'd be in the shell with the pi.. I use terminator and can split screen and launch media content with mplayer, etc..[0:16]<Hexxeh> no X11 accel, what.[0:16]<Androo> hp1337: the question is ... who knows if that's an accurate date?[0:16]<zgreg> the CPU in the raspberry pi is about 1/6 of the speed of a typical intel atom (ballpark number)[0:16]<OneFix_Work> hp1337: Same here...it's possible it might ship earlier, but they don't want to promise earlier yet[0:16]<hp1337> Androo: ya you're probably right. my bet is on sooner rather than later though[0:16]<zgreg> Hexxeh: you must be new around here[0:16]<hp1337> OneFix_Work: i agree[0:16]<Hexxeh> zgreg: pretty much[0:16]<piofcube> I remember when I saw my first 486DX and thought "WOW"[0:16]* imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) has joined #raspberrypi[0:16]* PiBot sets mode +v imnichol[0:17]<OneFix_Work> Hexxeh: There are still a lot of drivers and libraries that haven't been built for it yet...[0:17]<hp1337> i'm going to try and buy another one through the RS Components chain[0:17]<hp1337> whenever they open up for orders[0:17]<Hexxeh> Are you saying no X11 accel in the VM (obvious), or that there's no X11 accel on a real device?[0:17]<zgreg> Hexxeh: no X11 accel on the real device[0:17]<Hexxeh> seriously..?[0:17]<zgreg> yes[0:17]<Karmaon> Anyone's raspberry pi going to take a month to arrive?[0:17]<Androo> hp1337: hope so. My date is April 16th, but I know people with later order numbers who's date is *earlier*, so I don't really know where that date is coming from.[0:17]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[0:17]<OneFix_Work> Hexxeh: There is currently no X11 accel on the device[0:18]<lianj> zgreg: but opengl drivers?[0:18]<Hexxeh> Wow... :/[0:18]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) has joined #raspberrypi[0:18]* PiBot sets mode +v hamitron[0:18]<zgreg> opengl es works, yeah[0:18]<GabrialDestruir> So... lets get this straight.... it can play Quake 3 just fine, but it can't surf the web with any sort of decency?[0:18]<zgreg> but that's completely different[0:18]<hamitron> is it sold out yet?[0:18]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: yeah[0:18]<Henchman21> 72855 lines[0:18]<lianj> at least thats kinda nice[0:18]<Hexxeh> hmm[0:18]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: messed up priorities I'd say[0:18]<Hexxeh> why is that the case? what's missing?[0:19]<GabrialDestruir> Androo, I'm wondering if for some reason, they're prioritizing their customers by region...[0:19]<GabrialDestruir> like UK first[0:19]<zgreg> but a Q3 port is probably a lot easier than an X11 driver.[0:19]<GabrialDestruir> then the rest of the world[0:19]* JMichaelX_work is now known as jmichael_away[0:19]<Hexxeh> zgreg: so it's the x11 driver that's missing?[0:19]* MrWatson (~MrW@206.255.169.210) has joined #raspberrypi[0:19]* PiBot sets mode +v MrWatson[0:19]* mod_eerf (~mod_eerf@unaffiliated/mod-eerf/x-1197477) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:19]<zgreg> zgreg: yes. to be more accurate, the DDX.[0:20]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:20]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[0:20]<Henchman21> i think ill save u for a beagleboard[0:20]<GabrialDestruir> I'm sure as 10k Pi's get into the wild, someone somewhere might get X11 drivers going[0:20]<zgreg> I was going to try implementing a simple EXA-accelerated driver[0:20]<zgreg> but now that I don't have a pi anytime soon...[0:20]<SpEcTo> wasn't broadcom going to help wi that?[0:20]<SpEcTo> with*[0:21]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: problem is, if most it's true that the XBMC crowd snatched up most of them, that's less likely[0:21]<zgreg> s/most//1[0:21]* JonSeals (~Jon@99-158-225-217.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:21]* PiBot sets mode +v JonSeals[0:21]<JonSeals> Holy crap these guys have them for only $10 more. http://bit.ly/mwzB1t[0:21]<zgreg> SpEcTo: no, the foundation specifically said that they cound on the "community" for that[0:21]<GabrialDestruir> I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to use it for like XBMC, but still have plenty of software skills[0:21]<DeviceZer0> So this has prob been asked a millino times today...but whens the next batch gonna be avail? I tried to snag one this morning but wasnt able to[0:21]<hamitron> serves the newbs right if they all snatched them, not leaving enough for the geeks ;)[0:21]<Androo> GabrialDestruir: I would think prioritization is probably the most likely scenario.[0:22]* StickUrPony is now known as anyoneseenmyPony[0:22]<SpEcTo> i'd wager most of them will get put into a drawer[0:22]<GabrialDestruir> The question is how are the prioritizing[0:22]* JonSeals (~Jon@99-158-225-217.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has left #raspberrypi[0:22]<mekas> DeviceZero people seem to be getting early May dates[0:22]<DeviceZer0> mekas, damn! was hoping sooner then that hehe.[0:22]<ksx4system> is there any schematics of Raspberry Pi to download? I need exact (perfectly exact) dimensions of the board and length of free spaces between ports.[0:22]<zgreg> SpEcTo: nah, they'll end up on ebay for double the price[0:23]<SpEcTo> T_T[0:23]<mekas> DeviceZero I don't think even the distributors really know for sure.[0:23]<anyoneseenmyPony> ksx4system, no[0:23]<DeviceZer0> ah.[0:23]<Byan> still 390 in here[0:23]<Byan> i wonder if itll sustain[0:23]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:23]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[0:23]* SSilver2k2 (~Adium@c-68-62-243-210.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:23]* PiBot sets mode +v SSilver2k2[0:23]<mekas> Remember what the Beta boards went for on ebay ?[0:23]<TheShrew> ksx4system those dimensions were available on the forum I thought - not sure if they are on the wiki though[0:24]<ksx4system> anyoneseenmyPony: erm... ok. so there are no precise dimensions too, right?[0:24]<ksx4system> TheShrew: wiki.raspberrypi.org or...?[0:24]<Byan> google for elinux wiki rpi[0:24]<TheShrew> ksx4system this wiki is at http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard[0:24]<ksx4system> thnx[0:25]<Hexxeh> zgreg: so i don't fully understand how the graphics stack works, but does the absence of ddx mean that opengl es won't work inside of an X11 window either?[0:26]<Androo> ksx4system: the dimensions of the board are precise AFAIK ... 85.6 x 53.98 x 17 mm[0:26]<Hexxeh> zgreg: looking to build Chromium OS, which does have ARM/GLES targets, but if it's going to run like molasses because of a missing driver it's probably not worth the effort[0:26]<Byan> we have no drivers Hexxeh . how would any of it work..[0:26]<zgreg> Hexxeh: yes, opengl es does not integrate with X11[0:26]<Hexxeh> Byan: they did show quake3 running, so surely we have /something/[0:26]* level20peon (~level20pe@koln-4db4a560.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: /join #real_life)[0:26]<Hexxeh> zgreg: damn[0:26]<zgreg> Hexxeh: does chromium even use X?[0:27]<Hexxeh> zgreg: yes[0:27]<zgreg> err, chromium os[0:27]* themArt (5ec3fe9c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.195.254.156) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[0:27]<piofcube> Eben hinted at going open source sometime in the future... I'm not sure to what extent.. maybe just board layouts etc... *shrugs*[0:27]* impost3r (~77yy@212.183.128.235) has joined #raspberrypi[0:27]* PiBot sets mode +v impost3r[0:27]<Byan> Hexxeh: thats true... hrm..[0:27]<GabrialDestruir> Like I said.[0:27]<Androo> ChromeOS uses Xorg 1.7[0:27]<GabrialDestruir> Give it time, X11 drivers will be there.[0:27]<Byan> idk, thats a good question Hexxeh[0:27]<acfrazier> so[0:27]<Hexxeh> Androo: no it doesn't[0:28]<acfrazier> I got my order conf finally[0:28]<Byan> GabrialDestruir: only way we get them is if we write them[0:28]<acfrazier> Your tax and shipping charges are currently not available. These charges will appear on your invoice if applicable[0:28]<acfrazier> >chargine me tax on an imported product[0:28]<acfrazier> kidding me riht[0:28]<Hexxeh> Androo: it uses whatever version you want[0:28]<lianj> Hexxeh: maybe not this version but it uses xorg with a window manager written in c++[0:28]<acfrazier> charging*[0:28]<acfrazier> right*[0:28]<GabrialDestruir> You don't think some geek or hacker will either write or get some other drivers working?[0:28]<piofcube> An informative piece of non-information[0:28]<Hexxeh> lianj: chromium os you mean?[0:28]<lianj> yes[0:28]<acfrazier> Hexxeh is the chrome os god[0:28]<Hexxeh> lianj: well yes, either chromeos-wm or aura[0:29]<Hexxeh> aura is the default currently on ToT, but i don't think it's shipped yet[0:29]<Hexxeh> but it's still atop xorg yeah[0:29]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: a simple accelerated X driver (that is capable of blits and fills) should be easy to do[0:29]<zgreg> that is, if we get the docs for the DMA blit engine[0:30]<mekas> The closed hardware part is problematic[0:30]* TheShrew (~theshrew@87-194-161-58.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[0:31]<piofcube> But farnell have the chip listed for sale by itself right? Or am I confused? LOL[0:31]<SpeedEvil> Does anyone online happen to have a B already? If so - can you take some good pics of the face of the board at at least 8MP or so? Trying to read chip numbers.[0:31]<GabrialDestruir> There will be plenty of pressure for the right people to either release the docs, or for them set about making the driver available.[0:31]<SpeedEvil> piofcube: we also need schematics[0:31]<SpeedEvil> piofcube: Or you sacrifice a PI, rip the chips off, eand measure the PCB[0:31]<SpeedEvil> which is silly.[0:31]* roteiro (~roteiro@dslb-084-058-165-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:31]* PiBot sets mode +v roteiro[0:32]<piofcube> SpeedEvil: What I was thinking was... surely they aren't going to sell it without some support?[0:32]<piofcube> the chip I mean[0:32]<GabrialDestruir> I don't think a single soul is going to have a Pi already.[0:32]<Hexxeh> i can't believe they're selling it without an x11 driver...[0:32]<GabrialDestruir> Unless it's Alpha/Beta boards[0:32]<SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: There were 10 B's sold.[0:32]<xlq> <piofcube> SpeedEvil: What I was thinking was... surely they aren't going to sell it without some support?[0:32]<piofcube> and press release/testing versions[0:32]<xlq> Wouldn't be surprised.[0:32]<mekas> I can. It's designed for kids to learn with, not to be a media platform.[0:32]<Hexxeh> what use are fedora/debian going to be without X running at a decent speed[0:33]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[0:34]<piofcube> I wouldn't mind some form of graphics support so I can display sign-language... That would help a lot of people learn ;-)[0:34]<GabrialDestruir> My understanding, SpeedEvil, is that they haven't even arrived in UK yet.[0:34]* maahes (~maahes@cpe-98-148-196-131.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:34]* PiBot sets mode +v maahes[0:34]<GabrialDestruir> So how could anyone have them, even if they had next day shipping?[0:35]<piofcube> Just people like sky news etc... there are a few like that which may have one already[0:35]<SpeedEvil> There were 10 ebayed.[0:35]<mekas> "Although we are still waiting for units to arrive from China"[0:35]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Excess Flood)[0:35]<GabrialDestruir> According to RasPi all E-bay ones were scams[0:35]<danieldaniel> SpeedEvil: seriously?[0:35]<danieldaniel> oh[0:36]<piofcube> The 10 that R-Pi auctioned themselves[0:36]<SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: No, they weren't.[0:36]<SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: read back.[0:36]<hamitron> aka the beta boards[0:36]<ingrowntesticle> any idea what manufacture is doing the order[0:36]<OneFix_Work> danieldaniel: The ones that were put on ebay a while back weren't scams, but the ones that are new are...[0:36]<danieldaniel> http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=raspberry%20pi&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283[0:36]<danieldaniel> oh[0:36]<danieldaniel> lmao[0:37]<danieldaniel> $1528[0:37]<mekas> As far as I know RPF hasn't put any of the new ones up on ebay[0:37]* iccanobif (iccanobif@host68-45-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()[0:37]<hamitron> I'm sorta tempted to buy a fake off ebay and see what I get[0:37]<hamitron> ;)[0:37]* anyoneseenmyPony is now known as sellingLiekHotPo[0:37]<mekas> You'll get aggrivation[0:37]<sellingLiekHotPo> good enough[0:37]<piofcube> You probs get one... just you'd have to wait for as long as the rest of us LOL[0:38]<Henchman21> screwed[0:38]<Henchman21> is what youll get[0:38]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) has joined #raspberrypi[0:38]* PiBot sets mode +v Laogeodritt[0:38]* sellingLiekHotPo is now known as getUrPonyHere[0:38]<piofcube> LMAO[0:38]<GabrialDestruir> You'll get overcharged[0:38]<hamitron> tbh, just can't be bothered atm[0:38]<hamitron> :/[0:39]<hamitron> let you guys have all the fun[0:39]<zgreg> Hexxeh: there's lots of work to do on the software side, to get the hardware properly supported. I think the foundation should have it made more clear that currently the raspi is mostly interesting for developers[0:39]<ingrowntesticle> like if foxconn is making these the priority would be very low[0:39]<Hexxeh> zgreg: Yeah, I suspect a lot of folks will buy it expecting "basics" like browsing the web to work[0:39]<zgreg> Hexxeh: but no, they chose to make those Q3 and XBMC demos that started the hype...[0:39]<piofcube> I'm still trying to work out how I am going to explain all this to our Trustees... LOL[0:39]<Hexxeh> zgreg: Exactly yeah[0:40]<mekas> Explanation: You screwed up.[0:40]<Hexxeh> zgreg: It's an easy assumption to make if they're demoing fancy demos like that, that basics like X11 would be working[0:40]<zgreg> Hexxeh: yes[0:40]<piofcube> Not me... us... wrong organisation... thankfully LOL[0:40]<Hexxeh> so what are the fedora/debian images actually using?[0:40]<hamitron> probably get people suing them for not providing a product fit for purpose[0:40]<hamitron> ;)[0:40]<zgreg> plus, countless people have totally warped expectations of how the raspi performs[0:40]<zgreg> they think it's pretty powerful overall since it can decode 1080p[0:41]<OneFix_Work> piofcube: Actually, he would get it later than the rest of us. Since presumably, the product would have to be shipped to the ebayer first[0:41]<mekas> I think you're right zgreg.[0:41]<GabrialDestruir> Has the fedora image even released yet?[0:41]<zgreg> they do not understand that the CPU is very weak[0:41]<mekas> A lot of hype about it being the perfect media center device[0:41]<Hexxeh> i'm sorry, but, it's the same price as an arduino, and infinitely faster, it's already a bargain[0:41]<piofcube> Onefix_Work: You have a good point there[0:41]<zgreg> and that the CPU is still the most important part for many applications[0:41]<Hexxeh> zgreg: are there any comparison benchmarks anywhere?[0:42]<GabrialDestruir> 700Mhz still isn't bad.[0:42]<Hexxeh> to say, a cortex A8?[0:42]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:42]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[0:42]<GabrialDestruir> It's no dual or quadcore[0:42]<Hexxeh> or tegra 2[0:42]<zgreg> Hexxeh: that's a silly comparison IMO. they raspi and arduino have different goals[0:42]<mekas> The Ardunuio is for people that like to play with hardware.[0:42]<OneFix_Work> Hexxeh: Not only that, but programming on the rPi is going to be so much easier than on the Arduino[0:42]<zgreg> Hexxeh: the raspi is a very crappy arduino replacement[0:42]<mekas> This is for people that like to playt with software.[0:42]<Hexxeh> zgreg: Oh, I know, but I mean in terms of performance for the price[0:42]* mpthompson (32832751@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.39.81) has joined #raspberrypi[0:42]* PiBot sets mode +v mpthompson[0:42]* crackm (~chatzilla@brln-4db84e80.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])[0:42]<piofcube> Not being funny but does Ardhuino have any set goals?[0:43]<OneFix_Work> Hexxeh: Actually, the rPi + the GertBoard will have so many more possibilities[0:43]<mekas> Yes to make it easir for people to play with microcontroller ahrdware[0:43]<zgreg> Hexxeh: as I said above, about 1/6-1/8 of the speed of a typical intel atom @ 1.6 GHz[0:43]<zgreg> or in other words, about 1/3 of the speed of an intel atom at the same clock[0:43]<OneFix_Work> piofcube: Presumably, the Arduino could be use to mass produce products[0:43]<hamitron> when I saw the r-pi on ITV news about an hour ago, I got really bad sinking feeling[0:43]<GabrialDestruir> Those numbers seem wrong....[0:43]<Hexxeh> zgreg: that's not at all bad[0:43]<mekas> The new Intel Atom boards are about $80, have HDMI use about 10 watts and are 6"x6"[0:44]<GabrialDestruir> wouldn't it be closer to 1/2 the speed of an intel atom?[0:44]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: why?[0:44]<piofcube> yeah... Most likely their goal is "sell as many arduinos and make a profit"... not a bad goal for a commercial venture[0:44]<zgreg> GabrialDestruir: don't tell me you're only looking at the MHz[0:44]<GabrialDestruir> Yea I was .-.[0:45]<GabrialDestruir> I tend to forget about the other things. lol[0:45]<zgreg> the ARM11 is MUCH weaker than the atom[0:45]<hamitron> I just wanna know if it will beat my 500MHz K6-2[0:45]<OneFix_Work> piofcube: But if what you need is a system capable of running a simple embeded Linux application, then the rPi will blow away other projects like the BeagleBoard or the PandaBoard[0:45]<hamitron> ;)[0:45]* SSilver2k2 (~Adium@c-68-62-243-210.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[0:45]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:45]<piofcube> OneFix_Work: That I can quite well imagine[0:45]<zgreg> for instance, ARM quotes 1.2 DMIPS/MHz for the ARM11. Atom is 2.5 DMIPS/Mhz. but in practice ARM11 is even slower (no cache, no SIMD, etc.)[0:45]<koaschten> rpi is in the area of pentium 200 iirc hamitron[0:46]* getUrPonyHere is now known as FarnellAreAce[0:46]<mekas> The PI is like a cell phone[0:46]<hamitron> so plenty of power for some things, just not most things ;)[0:46]<mekas> (processor wise)[0:47]<Hexxeh> anyone know working versions for crossdev to target raspi?[0:47]<Hexxeh> trying to get my toolchain together[0:48]<DT_> most atoms probably also have been given a ton more ram[0:48]<philh> i was under the impression that the pi is weaker than most phones, and has about half as much ram[0:48]<mekas> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-d2700dc.html[0:48]<mekas> That's the latest Intel atom board[0:48]<pingec> so what, we wil overclock it to 5GHz!!![0:48]<GabrialDestruir> Most Atoms probably would be given at least a GB to start... and go up[0:48]<OneFix_Work> zgreg: What will make the rPi more capable is the code available for the CPU[0:49]<OneFix_Work> or GPU I mean[0:49]<DT_> mekas: what kind of pricing is that thing, if you happen to know[0:49]<mekas> Around $80 US[0:49]<mekas> It's new not available all over yet[0:49]<DT_> nice i expected about double of that lol[0:49]<GabrialDestruir> o.O[0:50]* Vir2L (~Greg@224.231-93-216-fuji-dsl.dhcp.surewest.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:50]* PiBot sets mode +v Vir2L[0:50]<philh> OneFix_Work, isn't everything about the gpu super secret?[0:50]<GabrialDestruir> pcmag is claiming Pi only has 200MHz Processing power o.O[0:50]<mekas> The current (older generation) atom board I have (VGA not HDMI) was about $70[0:50]<OneFix_Work> zgreg: The processor in the rPi is the same as the one that is in the Roku 2...the GPU has video decoders available for it.[0:50]<hamitron> my VIA C3 8500mhz boards cost ?20[0:50]<hamitron> :)[0:50]<hamitron> 850mhz*[0:51]<GabrialDestruir> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401013,00.asp[0:51]<xlq> WHOA..oh :)[0:51]<OneFix_Work> philh: Yes, but the decoders will be available[0:51]* fp (5ea96992@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.169.105.146) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[0:51]<Hexxeh> crossdev arguments anyone?[0:52]<philh> OneFix_Work, that's nice for mediacentres but not very useful in a general purpose sense[0:52]<philh> hamitron, i'm very sad that's a typo[0:52]<hamitron> hehe[0:52]<mekas> DT_ : http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D2700DC-Mini-ITX-Motherboard[0:53]<DT_> mekas: yeah i found it listed on some website i always use[0:53]<DT_> local[0:53]<OneFix_Work> philh: Umh, presumably there would also be encoders available as well.[0:53]<DT_> 72eur[0:53]<DT_> mekas:[0:54]<mekas> The only thing DT is you need a PC type powersupply. You can get a tiny cheap picopsu for it for about $30 that runs of a 12 volt 1 amp wall wart.[0:54]<philh> OneFix_Work, i'd be careful about such presumptions, but anyway, that still seems to be of interest mainly for mediacentre type stuff[0:54]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[0:54]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.152.114) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[0:55]<GabrialDestruir> From the sounds of it, mediacenter and Arduino type stuff, is all it'll be good for.[0:55]<OneFix_Work> philh: Well, that's mainly true, but the programmable GPU opens up the programming possibilities...which is what this board is really built for.[0:55]<haltdef> I wish I could have had one when I was a kid[0:55]<haltdef> my own computer to dick about with[0:55]<mekas> The PI is a cheap learning platform not a cheap desktop replacement.[0:55]<philh> oh, programmable? i thought there'd just be binary codecs built into the firmware[0:56]<hamitron> tbh, there are cheaper ways to learn to code[0:56]<hamitron> just not as neat and tidy[0:56]<SpeedEvil> philh: there is not unflashable firmware.[0:56]<OneFix_Work> philh: No, there is no firmware, the whole "brain" is built into the SD card image[0:56]<SpeedEvil> philh: It's a permissions thing[0:56]* davros (~davros@71-87-211-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[0:56]<GabrialDestruir> Eh, I'll be using it as a mediacenter to replace the serious powerhog that is my desktop.[0:57]<GabrialDestruir> er well "A" desktop[0:57]<philh> yes, ok, the binary gpu driver/bootloader/blobby thing, rather than "firmware" as such[0:57]* hp1337 (1711778c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.17.119.140) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[0:57]<GabrialDestruir> then that can be put somewhere where it might be useful[0:57]<SpeedEvil> Which raises the issue - is the firmware signed.[0:57]<mekas> It'll pay for itself in electricity saved Gabrial[0:57]<philh> you know, the bit that will be in no way open source[0:57]<GabrialDestruir> Indeed.[0:57]<OneFix_Work> philh: There may eventually be a utility available for this chip that will allow you to create an SD card image and enable just the features that you need[0:57]<ingrowntesticle> i feel like by ordering one of these i have somehow blocked tinny tims hopes of learning to program[0:58]<philh> ah, speculation, excellent[0:58]<mekas> The educational launch is later...[0:58]<Thorn_> philh stirring the pot?[0:58]* g00p (~77yy@cpc1-stav10-0-0-cust101.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:58]* PiBot sets mode +v g00p[0:58]<hamitron> ITV news made it sound like it was for education, all ready today[0:58]<hamitron> :/[0:58]<DT_> lol torvalds had a bad day it seems, a local IT newssite linked this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5#102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5[0:59]<philh> Thorn_, not intentionally, but yes, it would appear i probably am[0:59]<GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't be surprised if there's a utility, whether offered by the foundation themselves, or by some third party that'll allow you to choose your Distro, Features, Purpose, etc.[0:59]<GabrialDestruir> Then write a proper image based on that.[0:59]<OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: From what I've read there will be a possibility for the firmware (it's really just a bootstrap on the SD card) to be unsigned, but it will likely not have all of the features available.[0:59]<hamitron> but why? :/[1:00]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:00]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[1:00]<OneFix_Work> hamitron: Why what?[1:00]* impost3r (~77yy@212.183.128.235) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[1:00]<hamitron> why need a tool to select distro[1:00]* FarnellAreAce is now known as ReggieUK[1:00]<ReggieUK> hi all[1:00]* davros_ (~davros@71-87-211-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:00]* PiBot sets mode +v davros_[1:00]<hamitron> surely a webpage with different links should be enough? ;)[1:00]* jmichael_away (~jamesmc@198.51.243.73) has left #raspberrypi[1:01]<GabrialDestruir> Most likely for those people who don't understand all the technical stuff and want it for XBMC only[1:01]<OneFix_Work> hamitron: The tool I'm talking about is not a to select a distro. The tool I'm talking about would be to create the bootstrap image[1:01]<hamitron> OneFix_Work, that is fine[1:01]<hamitron> :)[1:02]* kyzz (18a6516d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.166.81.109) has joined #raspberrypi[1:02]* PiBot sets mode +v kyzz[1:02]<philh> i thought you were going to need to license patents for any encoding or decoding you want the hardware to do, or rather raspi foundation were[1:02]<GabrialDestruir> well when the bootstrap becomes customizable sure, but I wouldn't put it past some people to make some sort of "Pi for Dummies" utility[1:02]* ReggieUK is now known as wheresMyCodec[1:03]<hamitron> midnight[1:03]<hamitron> :/[1:03]<hamitron> off to bed[1:03]<kallisti5> wow[1:03]<kallisti5> just called newark to check something on my order.[1:04]<kallisti5> the lady @ newark said the backorder is now until may for new orders[1:04]<OneFix_Work> hamitron: From what I gather, there will be an open (though maybe not GPL) version of the source for the chip that would (for instance) not have access to the GPU. But there would be (for instance) a way of obtaining an image with MPEG-4 GPU decoding enabled. This would likely require an additional purchase for the license.[1:04]* peteyg (~pyg@d205-250-124-110.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:04]* PiBot sets mode +v peteyg[1:04]* feep (~feep@p5B2B5A1F.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[1:05]<[deXter]> Sup peeps. So has the shipping fiasco settled down yet? What would be the closest delivery date if I were to order now?[1:05]<mekas> Yes kallisiti5 Farnelll is apparently quoting early May for the 2nd batch[1:05]<hamitron> OneFix_Work, always good to have choice, even if it means giving away freedom[1:05]* feep (~feep@p5B2B59DD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:05]* PiBot sets mode +v feep[1:05]<OneFix_Work> kallisti5: Yea, but they might arrive earlier...they just don't want anyone getting upset if it isn't ready before then...[1:05]<hamitron> those who want freedom can give it a miss[1:05]<hamitron> :)[1:05]<kallisti5> mekas: my current order is scheduled for March 28th :)[1:05]<hamitron> laters o/[1:05]* kallisti5 lucked out ordering this morning[1:06]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:06]<kallisti5> They changed me a 20 handling fee... however it sounds like those will be removed at shippment[1:06]<OneFix_Work> kallisti5: You ordered through Newark?[1:06]<kallisti5> yeah[1:06]* roteiro (~roteiro@dslb-084-058-165-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[1:06]<DaQatz> !unmute oclet[1:06]<PiBot> oclet is unmuted.[1:06]* PiBot sets mode +v oclet[1:06]* customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:06]* PiBot sets mode +v customtronics[1:06]<kallisti5> early this morning. Had to enter the item number manually as all the links were removed[1:07]<OneFix_Work> kallisti5: Yea, I have a chat with one of their reps...there had been a typo...they will remove the $20 handling fee from any order that was charged it[1:07]<kallisti5> sweeeet.[1:07]<[deXter]> kallisti5, Anymore stock left from your batch?[1:07]<kallisti5> [deXter]: it was at 0 backordered when I got it this morning[1:08]<[deXter]> O.o[1:08]<kallisti5> now it's wayyyyyy backordered[1:08]<OneFix_Work> [deXter]: Where are you?[1:08]<kallisti5> bbl. good luck everyone on getting your pi[1:08]<[deXter]> OneFix_Work, Doesn't matter.. I can use a parcel forwarder. I just want a pi ASAP lol.[1:08]<kyzz> I don't understand doing taxes....[1:09]<OneFix_Work> [deXter]: Currently, the orders going out look to be for the middle of May[1:09]* xlq (~apropos@89-168-180-148.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[1:09]<[deXter]> :/[1:09]<danieldaniel> whatttttt[1:09]<DT_> mekas: btw the old boards are even cheaper, i found one from asus with an atom 1.6, for only 40eur[1:09]<kyzz> My order is supposed to get here mid April....[1:09]<DT_> 2 DDR2 slots[1:10]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:10]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[1:10]<[deXter]> DT_, Got a link to that?[1:10]<GabrialDestruir> Mine will supposedly arrive mid april too[1:10]<OneFix_Work> kyzz: It all depends on when you ordered and where you are. Everything is getting shipped to the UK first.[1:10]<kyzz> Yup[1:10]* heymaste_ (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:10]<GabrialDestruir> That's screwed up .-.[1:10]<DaQatz> Uk seems late march[1:10]* rZr (~rzr@rzr.ww7.be) has joined #raspberrypi[1:10]* PiBot sets mode +v rZr[1:10]<DaQatz> Most every where else April 16th[1:11]<mekas> Yeah DT I have one of the D501MOs that I got for about $70. I only wish it had DVI/HDMI instead of VGA[1:11]<mekas> D510MO rather[1:11]* heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) has joined #raspberrypi[1:11]* PiBot sets mode +v heymaster[1:11]* mpthompson (32832751@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.131.39.81) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[1:11]<Ben64> so the $20 fee from newark wasn't real?[1:11]<Ben64> thats bullshit[1:11]<mekas> The D510MO uses DDR2 the newer one used DDR3[1:11]<Ben64> if i have to pay shipping from farnell i'll be pissed[1:11]<OneFix_Work> Ben64: No, the $20 fee was a typo...it will be removed from any order that it appears on[1:11]<GabrialDestruir> They should do prioritization by order number, not location .-.[1:12]<Ben64> OneFix_Work: they didn't say any of that 18 hours ago[1:12]<mekas> Well that's good news OneFix[1:12]<Ben64> said uncancellable unrefundable $20[1:12]<GabrialDestruir> Yea, lienze or whatever his name[1:12]<GabrialDestruir> has been spreading that crap all day[1:12]<DaQatz> Ben64, they were being barraged from a million directions 18 hours ago[1:12]<GabrialDestruir> or night w/e[1:13]<OneFix_Work> Ben64: Well, Newark's earliest delivery date now looks to be mid-May, so I wouldn't complain too much[1:13]<Ben64> they should have figured it all out before[1:13]<Syliss> i wish atom mobo/cpu's were under $100[1:13]<Ben64> i just don't want to pay shipping on top of the $42 i paid farnell[1:13]<mekas> They are Syliss[1:13]<mekas> What country are you in Syliss ?[1:13]<GabrialDestruir> Newark would be paying a $20 fee which was better than anyone elses because everyone who ordered from farnell export would be getting $107 out the door and crap[1:13]<DaQatz> It's not $42 from farnell[1:13]<Ben64> especially since raspberrypi said shipping is included[1:13]<Syliss> mekas: usa[1:13]<Ben64> DaQatz: the hell it wasn't[1:13]<mekas> The new atom board is < $100 shipped[1:13]<DaQatz> it's 35 plus 7 shipping[1:14]<OneFix_Work> Ben64: Yea, but when did they say it would be shipped to you?[1:14]<Syliss> mekas: which one?[1:14]<Ben64> its $42 + TBA shipping[1:14]<DaQatz> Ben64, mine said the sme, and has now been ammended[1:14]* swiley (~swiley@64.134.99.143) has joined #raspberrypi[1:14]* PiBot sets mode +v swiley[1:14]<DaQatz> Ben64, I like I said ti would be[1:14]<mekas> http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D2700DC-Mini-ITX-Motherboard[1:14]<GabrialDestruir> The Farnell site combined line price with shipping Ben64[1:14]<Ben64> said TBA[1:14]<mekas> Even has dual video out[1:14]<GabrialDestruir> So instead of 35 + 7 it was 32[1:14]<GabrialDestruir> er 42*[1:14]<Syliss> mekas: nice[1:14]<OneFix_Work> Ben64: So, no ship date on yours yet?[1:14]<[deXter]> mekas, cool[1:14]<Ben64> nope[1:15]<DaQatz> http://s18.postimage.org/7fwnckge0/order.jpg[1:15]<Ben64> because nobody explained anything on their sites, terrible launch[1:15]<DaQatz> WHen I bought it said 42[1:15]<Syliss> mekas: i really need a tv pc that is small and since the rpi will be a while i want something sooner[1:15]<DaQatz> They fixed the issue[1:15]<[deXter]> I wish the rhombus tech people would hurry up with their device.[1:15]<OneFix_Work> Syliss: So, get a BeagleBoard or a PandaBoard[1:16]<Syliss> OneFix_Work: yes but how much are they?[1:16]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[1:16]<Ben64> 29 February, 2012 29/02/2012 11:20 1 0 ?26.55 Received 16461802 INT[1:16]<mekas> I have my older atom board in this case Syliss: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-with-picoPSU-80-and-60W-adapter[1:16]<Ben64> still $42 for me[1:16]<[deXter]> Syliss, I think around $100-$150 for the beagleboard[1:16]<OneFix_Work> Syliss: The BeagleBoard Bone is $89[1:16]* cosner (~cosner@host86-147-252-172.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:16]* PiBot sets mode +v cosner[1:16]<Syliss> OneFix_Work: for that price ill buy an appletv[1:17]* mkopack (~mkopack@173-102-191-239.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:17]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[1:17]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory) has joined #raspberrypi[1:17]* PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory[1:17]<[deXter]> Hmm, the cottoncandy also started shipping. Nice. :)[1:17]<Syliss> [deXter]: yeah but $200 is too much[1:17]<OneFix_Work> Syliss: Well, for cheaper than that, you could buy a Roku 2 which is the same chip the rPi is based on[1:17]<[deXter]> Syliss, Yeah, but the specs are really good[1:17]* richards_ (~richardsh@108-217-241-193.uvs.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:17]* PiBot sets mode +v richards_[1:18]<[deXter]> Syliss, It all depends on your requirements I guess[1:18]<[deXter]> I mean if all you want to do is use it as a media box, it'll be overkill[1:18]* wheresMyCodec is now known as ILoveRS[1:18]<Syliss> i want something for web, maybe linux, streaming twit and the like[1:18]<GabrialDestruir> From what someone said earlier rPi is basically a Roku 2 equivalent .-.[1:18]<Syliss> and playing 720p vids[1:19]<Syliss> GabrialDestruir: yes but sadly u can't run debian on the roku, yet[1:19]<GabrialDestruir> why only 720p....[1:19]<GabrialDestruir> the rPi has 1080p embrace it![1:19]<GabrialDestruir> xD[1:19]<Ben64> not everyone has a 1080p tv[1:19]<Ben64> i don't :|[1:20]<GabrialDestruir> Probably a lot of people don't .-.[1:20]<Ben64> plus 1080p takes a lot more hard drive space[1:20]<GabrialDestruir> True .-.[1:20]<Syliss> i have 32" 720p tv[1:20]<Ben64> until I can start getting $35/TB or less, I'm not buying a new HD[1:20]<[deXter]> not everyone has a pi. ;)[1:21]* alingo (~alingo@199.19.104.118) has left #raspberrypi[1:21]<GabrialDestruir> I wonder how well the rPi would work as an intermediary between my DirecTV receiver and TV[1:21]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: how[1:21]<GabrialDestruir> USB tv tuner?[1:21]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[1:21]<Ben64> ew[1:21]* oldtopman goes to buy an rPi[1:21]<[deXter]> Heck, I don't have any TV/monitor at home that takes in HDMI or even DVI. All my output devices use VGA[1:21]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: terribly[1:22]* ILoveRS is now known as ReggieUK[1:22]<GabrialDestruir> I've never actually tried using a USB tv tuner, so not sure how well one might work[1:23]<Ben64> needs a lot of CPU[1:23]<oldtopman> Ben64: $130/2TB at micro center[1:23]<Ben64> i said $35 per TB, thats $65[1:23]<Syliss> Ben64: lol[1:24]<Ben64> i bought a 2TB drive for $70 about a year and a half ago[1:24]<Ben64> not gonna pay more now[1:24]<oldtopman> Ben64: I know, jsut telling you what I've seen here.[1:24]<Ben64> stupid floods[1:24]<Syliss> Ben64: thats a good price[1:24]<Ben64> yeah, decent drive[1:24]<Syliss> Ben64: i need to get a 1tb ext soon[1:25]<Ben64> 5400rpm, but still pushes 120MB/s easily[1:25]<Syliss> working on getting a crap ton of amazon gift cards next month[1:25]<Ben64> I want a 3TB external[1:25]<GabrialDestruir> Gah, piece of crap good for nothing internet -.-[1:25]* Christian4 (~christian@p4FE1E854.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[1:25]<Ben64> but for ~$120[1:25]<DDave> HOLLDD ONNNNNNNNNN![1:25]<Syliss> i want one and hook it to a router[1:25]<DDave> the rasp has an audio output[1:25]* DDave has found his new alarm clock!!![1:25]<Ben64> DDave: welcome to last year[1:25]<Syliss> but id need to get a new router too[1:25]<Syliss> damn it[1:26]<DDave> Ben64: it just too me this long to figure that out! LOL[1:26]<Ben64> Syliss: why new router?[1:26]<GabrialDestruir> You're going to turn your rPi into an alarm clock?[1:26]<Syliss> Ben64: all i have is a wrt54g and s[1:26]<GabrialDestruir> o.O[1:26]<Ben64> Syliss: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10521&cs_id=1052102&p_id=8071&seq=1&format=2[1:27]<Syliss> Ben64: i want usb on it[1:27]<Ben64> the configuration of that router isn't the greatest, but its the best performing router i've used[1:27]<Ben64> oh[1:27]<GabrialDestruir> Can it use ddwrt?[1:27]<GabrialDestruir> lol[1:27]<GabrialDestruir> That'd solve any configuration issues[1:27]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[1:28]<Ben64> don't think so[1:28]<Syliss> i mean i can get a pogo plug cheap, but id prefer it part of the router[1:28]<Syliss> with N[1:29]* cosner (~cosner@host86-147-252-172.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:31]<Syliss> if i could linux-fi a roku i so wold[1:31]<Syliss> would*[1:31]<ingrowntesticle> is there any general consensus on the best routers and modems with the most options[1:31]<kyzz> taxes give me a headache :([1:31]<Syliss> why kyzz ?[1:31]<Syliss> mine were super easy, but I'm also poor[1:32]* uzyn (~uzyn@cm151.epsilon34.maxonline.com.sg) has joined #raspberrypi[1:32]* PiBot sets mode +v uzyn[1:33]<[deXter]> ingrowntesticle, ASUS RT-N16, with TomatoUSB firmware[1:33]<kyzz> I only had one W-2 to mess with , but I just went somewhere and got my federal taxes sent in , but then I got confused on which form was my state form.[1:34]<[deXter]> ingrowntesticle, Or if you don't want to spend that much, you can get a Linksys WRT-51G for real cheap and load DD-WRT[1:34]* vmplanet (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:34]* PiBot sets mode +v vmplanet[1:34]<Syliss> kyzz: if you had them done, they should have done both for u[1:34]* vmplanet is now known as unkle_george[1:34]<[deXter]> *54G[1:34]<Syliss> lol[1:34]<Ben64> i don't like the 54g[1:34]<Ben64> too buggy and crashy[1:34]<kyzz> We were already done with the one , and he told me I could come back if I had issues with the state one[1:35]<Syliss> kyzz: really? he ripped u off[1:35]<kyzz> It was free :P[1:35]<Syliss> k[1:35]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:35]<pygo> rpi has been in development for 6 years?[1:36]<mekas> Yes pygo.[1:36]<Syliss> my mother in law buys turbo tax every year for her business so i get to do mine with her software, so easy[1:36]<pygo> wow. I had no idea. figured it was a typo and was meant to be 6 months[1:36]* swiley (~swiley@64.134.99.143) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzzz)[1:36]<SpeedEvil> A project called r-pi - maybe[1:37]<kyzz> Syliss: I think I have it all figured out now because this form says "Ohio" 1040ez form[1:37]<SpeedEvil> It's about as meaningful to claim that Justin Beiber has been in development for 300 years.[1:37]<maahes> my wife has an awesome tax preparer: Did you know you can get a $5,000 deductable for moving more than 50mi in one year? Or that you can own a farm, with no land, and no animals, and take farm tax credits? :D[1:37]<mekas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#History[1:37]<pygo> ok... "Six years after the project's inception. . ."[1:37]<Syliss> lol[1:38]<GabrialDestruir> I just realized something...[1:38]* Cemial|afk (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:38]<GabrialDestruir> Without flash I can't watch my hulu![1:38]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[1:38]<DaQatz> So?[1:38]<Thorn_> huhuhuhuha[1:38]<maahes> install flash then[1:38]<DaQatz> I don't have flash installed[1:38]<DaQatz> I do not like flash[1:39]<mkopack> Flash is CRAP[1:39]* winocm (~textual@opensn0w/developer/winocm) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[1:39]<mkopack> As is Silverlight[1:39]<GabrialDestruir> People were saying earlier that rPi isn't flash compatible?[1:39]<pygo> flash is CRAP[1:39]<mkopack> Both should die a fast and painful death[1:39]<pygo> and silverlight is worse[1:39]<DaQatz> Yes silverlight is worse[1:39]<maahes> oh, rPi, yeah you're screwed[1:39]<pygo> html5 can do all of what flash can do. no reason to do flash now[1:39]<Thorn_> yeah The Flash is ginger too, even worse[1:39]<mkopack> Gab: Yup, no flash on RPi[1:39]<maahes> you could try gnash or something I guess.[1:39]<DaQatz> GabrialDestruir, Flash would need to be ported to the pi.[1:39]* monkeybread (~monkeybre@c-68-58-126-197.hsd1.in.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: monkeybread)[1:39]<GabrialDestruir> Flash IS crap, but unfortunately it's a "commonly accepted" method for videos[1:39]<DaQatz> GabrialDestruir, Adobe is nto going to do that[1:39]<mekas> Silverlight is deader than flash[1:40]<philh> GabrialDestruir, no scripts to access hulu with rtmpstreamer?[1:40]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) has left #raspberrypi[1:40]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) has joined #raspberrypi[1:40]* PiBot sets mode +v [deXter][1:40]<pygo> just take the android flash apl and do some magic to make it work[1:40]<philh> i'd never watch iplayer if it weren't for that[1:40]<maahes> and yet, netflix uses silverlight for some godawful reason[1:40]<Thorn_> there is flash for armv6[1:40]<GabrialDestruir> Hmm... not sure, will have to look into that.[1:40]<kyzz> Anyone know a good brand of pen to buy (writing utensil)[1:40]<ingrowntesticle> thx [deXter] i'll look at those, atm i have a motorola SBG901 and its kind of disappointing[1:40]<mekas> Yeah about a handful of users maahes.[1:40]<[deXter]> kyzz, Parker[1:40]<philh> kyzz, bic make some rather nice minimalist yellow affairs[1:40]<mekas> Usually using it due to DRM[1:41]<peteyg> DRM...[1:41]<ingrowntesticle> The Sharpie Pen is nice[1:41]<DaQatz> Tis time for peeps to move to html5[1:41]<[deXter]> ^[1:41]<peteyg> I guess netflix started before flash implemented DRM features?[1:41]<Syliss> mekas: even cheaper http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D2500HN-Mini-ITX-Motherboard[1:41]<mkopack> Yeah, we use Silverlight to stream my grad school lecture and it's ALWAYS screwing up and dropping out[1:41]<mkopack> ANNOYING[1:41]<DaQatz> PiBot is running on a mini itc server[1:41]<mkopack> Plus it makes the CPU in my laptop go to 100% the whole time[1:41]<DaQatz> irx*[1:41]<DaQatz> grr[1:41]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@150-243.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[1:41]<DaQatz> itx*[1:41]<Hexxeh> is the debian image softfp or hardfp?[1:41]<maahes> kyzz: fisher space pen, Penagain, Yoropen, or Swan Necks.[1:41]<DaQatz> An a nice jetway with a C7 on it[1:42]<peteyg> HTML5 is woefully inadequate right now, not to mention you're not going to get the same experience on all browsers.[1:42]<mkopack> Hexxeh: dunno??? I believe hard[1:42]<mekas> Yeah with VGA instead of DVI/HDMO Syliss.[1:42]* maahes has hand shakes, loves ergo-pens.[1:42]<Syliss> mekas: thats fine by me, my tv has vga[1:43]<DaQatz> peteyg, Have you tried mixing html5 ,Javascript ,and svg?[1:43]<Hexxeh> so armv6-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi then?[1:43]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[1:43]<maahes> I have a yoropen, I love it, I miss my fisher (best pocket pen ever made, hands down), and I want a Penagain[1:43]* Klapo (~Klapo@maroon.sored.pl) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[1:43]<peteyg> DaQatz: SVG support is too irratic between browsers, and there's still lots of bugs with the way IE9 renders SVG :/.[1:43]<GabrialDestruir> Hard to move away from flash when a majority of companies use flash for their websites[1:43]* Klapo (~Klapo@maroon.sored.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[1:43]* PiBot sets mode +v Klapo[1:43]<philh> stop using their websites[1:43]<DaQatz> IE has always tried to avoiud svg for some reason[1:44]<maahes> the fisher is no longer than a credit card when collapsed, and turns into a sturdy full sized pen when you take off the cover and attach it to the back.[1:44]<DaQatz> Then again IE sucks[1:44]<ddss|mips> lolie[1:44]<peteyg> Quite frankly, Flash is a tested and proven technology for deploying RIA's that is consistent across platforms with 1 code base.[1:44]<DaQatz> They put in every effort to gum up thee works for other standards[1:44]<maahes> peteyg: yes, that.[1:44]<peteyg> IE sucks, you can say that again... and again... and again :)[1:44]<maahes> Flash may be crap, but it works everywhere consistently.[1:44]* PhonicUK (~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[1:44]<ddss|mips> flash blows[1:44]<ddss|mips> do it doesnt[1:44]<ddss|mips> i cant run it on this mips based laptop[1:44]<SpeedEvil> maahes: Apple, my other phone, ...[1:45]<ddss|mips> *no it doesnt[1:45]<maahes> ddss|mips: doesn't work on all processors, but what I mean is: Everywhere it is supported, it works fairly consistently.[1:45]<ddss|mips> OH[1:45]<philh> maahes, so that's a very expensive biro?[1:45]<ddss|mips> yes.[1:45]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[1:45]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac[1:45]* Bellagio (~Bellagio@87-98-221-247.kimsufi.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:45]<mekas> Flash was ubiquitous before Aaple put the big nail in the coffin[1:46]* JKAir (~anonymous@206-248-184-10.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:46]* PiBot sets mode +v JKAir[1:46]<peteyg> It still is. Just that i-device owners are missing out ;).[1:46]<SpeedEvil> Flash constantly pins my processor, and needs rebooted every few hours or sound borks.[1:46]* Bellagio (~Bellagio@87-98-221-247.kimsufi.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:46]* PiBot sets mode +v Bellagio[1:46]<DaQatz> Atcually[1:46]<SpeedEvil> :/[1:46]<DaQatz> Adobe is abandoning the mobile market[1:46]<peteyg> SpeedEvil: Yep :/.[1:46]<mkopack> Flash just is a relic that isn't really needed anymore...[1:46]<maahes> philh: they're not that expensive.[1:46]<peteyg> Flash is so bloated and slow...[1:46]<micky> Estimated delivery: 12th March[1:46]<micky> sweet![1:46]<maahes> a fisher is $25 or less on amazon.[1:46]<SpeedEvil> Flash has actually cost me $15 or so this year.[1:46]<mkopack> It made sense in 1999, it doesn't in 2012[1:47]<Hexxeh> I get " lo register required" when building glibc using crossdev, anyone else encountered this problem?[1:47]<philh> maahes, i could buy an arm based computer for that[1:47]<lianj> reboot because of flash? lol, which os[1:47]<mkopack> Hexxeh: You might want to try the Rpi-Dev channel on here. More technical discussions on stuff like that[1:47]<SpeedEvil> ...[1:47]<SpeedEvil> mips based laptop - Qi?[1:47]<Hexxeh> mkopack: didn't know it existed, thanks![1:48]<Ben64> i still want to make a pi laptop[1:48]<DaQatz> !channel[1:48]<PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots #raspberrypi-owners[1:48]<maahes> philh: a good writing instrument is worth a little money. There are no other good pocket pens really except the fisher. And the other pens I mentioned are ergonomic pens (which are of particular interest for me, because medication I take causes my hands to shake)[1:48]<ddss|mips> SpeedEvil: lemote yeeloong[1:48]<DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev[1:48]<PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.[1:48]<ddss|mips> the RMS laptop[1:48]<Ben64> but theres still no info on lcd for pi[1:48]<SpeedEvil> ddss|mips: Never even heard of that.[1:48]<mekas> Aren't those called Netbooks Ben64 ?[1:48]* Enoria (~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:48]<Ben64> mekas: except netbooks don't output 1080p[1:48]<ddss|mips> its the only laptop RMS will own[1:48]<peteyg> Ben64: Maybe the ones from 2006 don't...[1:48]<SpeedEvil> I want to make a pi based netbook, as a first step to a pandaboard or simialr one[1:49]<ddss|mips> open source bootstrap (not really a bios) and open source wifi firmware[1:49]<peteyg> Ben64: But any modern netbook made within the last 3~ years should easily output 1080p.[1:49]<Ben64> all the ones i've seen can't browse the internet without lagging[1:49]<ddss|mips> its pretty cool[1:49]* monkeybread (~monkeybre@c-68-58-126-197.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:49]* PiBot sets mode +v monkeybread[1:49]<peteyg> But the graphics are HW accelerated. Most netbooks I know have no trouble playing back 1080p H.264 files.[1:49]* monkeybread (~monkeybre@c-68-58-126-197.hsd1.in.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit)[1:49]<mkopack> Ben: Yeha, usually because of all the flash and DHTML BS on the pages these days[1:49]<peteyg> Browsing is CPU dependent, and ATOM sucks, comparatively.[1:49]<philh> maahes, only really teasing, but anyway, are these things gel ink based?[1:49]* UukGoblin (~jaa@unaffiliated/uukgoblin) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:50]<Ben64> my actual non-netbook laptop can't play 1080p[1:50]<maahes> the yeeloong doesn't look very powerful.[1:50]<peteyg> Ben64: Plus, RPi won't be any better on that front.[1:50]* Syliss_ (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:50]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss_[1:50]* plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) has joined #raspberrypi[1:50]* PiBot sets mode +v plum[1:50]<mkopack> I nearly crapped when I looked at the page source for google's main page last night while doing my assignment for grad school??? there's TONS of Javascript on that page! And there's like NOTHING to the damn page![1:50]<ddss|mips> maahes: it may not be, but i like it[1:50]<peteyg> Ben64: The 700Mhz ARM11 will be slower than most ATOM netbooks, if anything...[1:50]<plum> hi all[1:50]<ddss|mips> idont have x.org on it anyway[1:50]<maahes> philh: I believe fisher may be offering gel based refills now, standard for all the pens I mentioned is regular ballpoint.[1:50]<ddss|mips> its just text[1:50]<mkopack> pete: by a GOOD margin too[1:50]<plum> question about raspberry pi[1:50]* jmontleo (~jmontleon@c-76-19-35-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[1:50]<Byan> peteyg: far slower..[1:50]<philh> meh[1:50]<Ben64> just need opengl browsing[1:50]<mkopack> plum: Shoot[1:51]<kyzz> [deXter]: What do you think of this http://www.amazon.com/Rollerball-Refill-Parker-Black-PAR30213/dp/B001B0D9JM[1:51]<ddss|mips> i use screen and irssi for irc and lynx to check my webmail and check news[1:51]<peteyg> Yeah, I think the ARM chip in RPi is equivalent to something like a Pentium 2 200Mhz?[1:51]<maahes> philh: I don't like gel's because they make a mess all over my moleskins.[1:51]<mekas> Moleskins ? You should switch to paper.[1:51]<Ben64> r-?? is like smartphone power[1:51]<plum> how do you get a mouse, keyboard, and wireless working on it? i would suspect you use the usb ports for mouse and keyboard, but if you don't have a router nearby to connect with an ethernet cord, you can't plug in a wifi usb card[1:51]<maahes> Moleskins > paper.[1:51]<peteyg> plum: USB hubs.[1:52]<plum> peteyg: wouldn't they both be taken by usb mouse + usb keyboard?[1:52]<plum> or is there three?[1:52]<Ben64> hub[1:52]<maahes> peteyg: that sounds painfully bus constrained.[1:52]<plum> OH[1:52]<mekas> plum get a $5 USB hub[1:52]<SpeedEvil> You can attach ~255 devices through hubs[1:52]<plum> misread your post, my bad[1:52]<plum> that is an outstanding idea, i didn't even realize haha[1:52]<plum> :)[1:52]<maahes> I want them to make a next-gen rPi with gigabit lan ports.[1:52]<peteyg> Lol.[1:52]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[1:52]* Syliss_ is now known as Syliss[1:53]<Ben64> i think the ethernet uses usb, doesn't it?[1:53]<maahes> peteyg: rPi beowulf! :D[1:53]<ddss|mips> this lemote is more powerful than the rpi though, and with way more ram[1:53]<plum> next youtube competition will be: "max out crysis on a raspberry pi device!"[1:53]* kiefer (~sreg@hurr.durr.herp.derp.ws) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:53]<plum> haha[1:53]* kiefer (~sreg@hurr.durr.herp.derp.ws) has joined #raspberrypi[1:53]* PiBot sets mode +v kiefer[1:53]<peteyg> plum: Haha, would love to see that ;)... Tehe[1:53]<mekas> Mybe you could run Crysis icon sized.[1:54]<hotwings> [16:51:45] <SpeedEvil> You can attach ~255 devices through hubs <-- too bad you dont get more bandwidth by using hubs[1:54]<maahes> seriously, it would be awesome to have cheap pluggable SOC clusters.[1:54]<plum> am i understanding it right, that those of us in the US can not order now due to how many people have ordered?[1:54]<ddss|mips> brb[1:54]<Ben64> plum: think you can, just won't get it till May[1:54]<plum> i see i see[1:54]<hotwings> and unless you want to pay a stupid price[1:54]<mkopack> gonna be a long next week and a half at work??? We just got a new robot arm today, "some assembly required" and my co-worker who it got shipped to is out on travel assignments for the next 2 weeks??? ARGH!!! WANT TO PLAY WITH THE NEW TOY!!![1:54]<plum> and i imagine that by then, there might be other retailers nearer?[1:55]<Ben64> plum: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=83T1943[1:55]* Iota (~contact@zooserv.eu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:55]* Iota (~contact@zooserv.eu) has joined #raspberrypi[1:55]* PiBot sets mode +v Iota[1:55]<GabrialDestruir> You can get it from newark now or well put in an order with newark[1:55]<maahes> I want one of the new Paralax multi-core microcontrollers to play with.[1:55]<mekas> Will there be other retailers ?[1:55]<Ben64> no[1:55]<mkopack> maahes: Propeller?[1:55]<mekas> Or will they be sticking with the Farnell distribution model[1:55]<maahes> yupyup[1:55]<GabrialDestruir> RS and Farnell and their subsidaries[1:55]<Ben64> will all be RS and farnell and their subsidiaries[1:55]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: >:|[1:56]<plum> awesome[1:56]* inktao (~xyz@cpc2-flit3-2-0-cust433.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)[1:56]<plum> sorry to repeat questions others have probably bombarded this chan with[1:56]<maahes> Spin looks interesting, and people have already ported some other languages to it :)[1:56]<plum> just was wondering the same[1:56]* PhonicUK (~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk) has joined #raspberrypi[1:56]* PiBot sets mode +v PhonicUK[1:56]* JKAir (~anonymous@206-248-184-10.dsl.teksavvy.com) Quit (Quit: JKAir)[1:56]<mkopack> maahes: I have one of the Scribbler 2 robots at home that uses one of those??? Haven't messed with it at all though??? Too many toys, no time to play with them[1:56]<Ben64> its cool, they did a terrible job of explaining[1:56]* barend (~root@ks25111.kimsufi.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[1:56]* UnaClocker (~unaclocke@24-113-85-150.wavecable.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:56]* PiBot sets mode +v UnaClocker[1:56]<maahes> I've been playing around with their homework board.[1:57]<maahes> I'm just annoyed that the only thing supported is their basic.[1:57]<plum> any word on cases for these?[1:57]<mkopack> Well, the idea is to make it easy to program[1:57]<mkopack> but I hear ya[1:57]<mkopack> plum: just 3rd party people designing some??? nothing official. Won't be till this summer probably if you're looking for something from RPi Foundation[1:57]* barend (~root@ks25111.kimsufi.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:57]* PiBot sets mode +v barend[1:58]<plum> ah, i see. and i imagine the 3rd party companies will charge more for the case, than RPi charges for the actual device, lol[1:58]* AndChat| (~AndChat@210-185-92-41.intrapower.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[1:58]* PiBot sets mode +v AndChat|[1:58]<mkopack> probably...[1:58]<mkopack> almost better off making something yourself???[1:59]<mkopack> Or finding a friend with a 3d printer :)[1:59]<plum> i'd gladly take that up as a challenge, too[1:59]<mkopack> (my plan)[1:59]<plum> 3d printer would be swel[1:59]<plum> swell *[1:59]<Ben64> i wish 3d printers were affordable for normal people[1:59]<mkopack> thankfully with the small dimensions of the RPi, most 3D printers should be able to make a case no proboem[1:59]<mkopack> Ben64: There are some you can get for around $700[1:59]<Ben64> $700 is a lot ...[2:00]<plum> hey i gotta get going guys[2:00]<plum> i'll probably drop in later[2:00]<mkopack> they're coming down in price all the time. The expensive parts are the extruder, the hot plate, and the electronics/ stepper motors.[2:00]<plum> cya[2:00]<mekas> When can you start printing #-D printers ?[2:00]* plum (~plum@unaffiliated/plum) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912])[2:00]<no-name-> lol[2:00]<GabrialDestruir> So, basically everything?[2:00]* danieldaniel is now known as [\\\\\\\][2:01]<mkopack> mekas: You already can print many of the parts??? but there're not 100% yet. printing the electronics and the motors are the 2 big problems right now[2:01]* UukGoblin (~jaa@yatima.uukgoblin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:01]* PiBot sets mode +v UukGoblin[2:01]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB258E.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:01]* PiBot sets mode +v uen|[2:02]<no-name-> what materials do 3d printers "print" with?[2:02]<mekas> Well when it happens I would call that the tipping point mkopack[2:02]<mkopack> yup[2:02]<GabrialDestruir> GLUED TOGETHER PAPER >.>[2:02]<GabrialDestruir> xD[2:02]<mkopack> As it is, what a lot of people who own 3D printers do, is print the printable parts of the 3d printer on their printer and sell those parts on Ebay to help pay for the cost of their 3D printer.[2:02]* Karmeck (5c21b86e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.33.184.110) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[2:03]<ingrowntesticle> from http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals :Adata Class 10 8GB (AUSDH8GCL10-R) is a micro[2:04]* neglesaks (~peterbp@31.25.23.47) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[2:04]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:05]<mkopack> 2 guys in my robotics club have 3D printers??? One just got an UP! and another has a RepRap style one...[2:05]* uen (~uen@p5DCB2962.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[2:05]<oldtopman> mkopack: Have you seen #reprap?[2:05]* zutesmog1 (~timh@CPE-124-187-82-183.lns10.woo.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[2:06]* richards_ (~richardsh@108-217-241-193.uvs.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:06]<mekas> no-name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene[2:06]<oldtopman> mekas: He left.[2:06]<mekas> oops[2:06]<oldtopman> :P[2:07]* zhoeon (~fc@24-226-154-188.dr.cgocable.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[2:07]* PiBot sets mode +v zhoeon[2:07]<GabrialDestruir> I wonder how feasible my idea for a Pi case would be .-.[2:07]<mkopack> Nah[2:08]<maahes> I wonder if you can get a vm based ZISC.[2:08]* sousousou (~user@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:08]* PiBot sets mode +v sousousou[2:08]<oldtopman> GabrialDestruir: All I think of seeing that face is barrel roll.[2:09]<GabrialDestruir> DO A BARREL ROLL![2:09]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[2:09]<maahes> indeed you can! :D[2:09]<GabrialDestruir> .-. -.- .-. -.- .-.[2:09]<DaQatz> Some servers did barrel rolls this morn. They got stuck belly up though.[2:09]<Da|Mummy> f% them[2:09]<Da|Mummy> f5[2:10]<Da|Mummy> f5=red bomb[2:10]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[2:10]* PiBot sets mode +v no-name-[2:10]<oldtopman> ._. > :| > .-. > |: > ._.[2:10]<GabrialDestruir> Show off -.-[2:10]<mkopack> ok, later guys[2:10]* bob2 (rob@unaffiliated/bob2) has left #raspberrypi[2:10]<DaQatz> later[2:10]* zhoeon (~fc@24-226-154-188.dr.cgocable.ca) Quit (Client Quit)[2:10]<mkopack> Gotta go home, do some school work and then crash??? Need sleep![2:10]<Da|Mummy> lets play irc Pong[2:10]* mkopack (~mkopack@173-102-191-239.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)[2:10]<Da|Mummy> | .[2:10]<Da|Mummy> | .[2:10]<Da|Mummy> |.[2:10]<Da|Mummy> | .[2:10]<UnaClocker> Man that $20 charge from Newark is dicked.[2:10]<Da|Mummy> | .[2:11]<no-name-> | . |[2:11]<oldtopman> UnaClocker: I'm paying it, laters.[2:11]<GabrialDestruir> the 20 charge got removed[2:11]<maahes> .|[2:11]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[2:11]<no-name-> -.-[2:11]<UnaClocker> Well the $20 charge is on my invoice. They haven't emailed me to tell me it's been removed yet.[2:12]<Da|Mummy> is it on your bank/credit account?[2:12]<UnaClocker> No charge yet. Maybe they're doing like most companies, and not billing till it ships..[2:12]<GabrialDestruir> Well supposedly all $20 handling charges will be removed when you actually receive an invoice closer to the time of shipment[2:13]<mekas> You might want to call them UnaClocker and ask.[2:13]<maahes> IRP: Please say "Hello, World!"[2:13]<UnaClocker> I got a ship date of May 10th..[2:13]* prebz (~prebz@c83-254-52-140.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[2:13]<DaQatz> april 16th[2:13]<mekas> May 10th would be batch 2.[2:13]<DaQatz> here[2:14]<maahes> damn, this channel doesn't support IRP[2:14]<ksx4system> GabrialDestruir: 20usd charges for who? USA people?[2:14]<mekas> Yes ksx[2:14]* contingo (~contingo@swong.plus.com) Quit (Quit: NULL)[2:14]<UnaClocker> Yeah, took me 12 hours to find the proper link to the proper place to order the thing.[2:14]<ksx4system> rofl, it's ok since you have more money than most people in EU[2:14]<Da|Mummy> right[2:14]<Da|Mummy> nobody in usa is in debt[2:14]<UnaClocker> ksx4system: I'll still piss and moan about it.[2:15]<ksx4system> UnaClocker: it's your gov't fault, uninstall 'em[2:15]<mekas> The difference ksx is people are still lending us money.[2:15]<UnaClocker> I love my government.[2:15]<ksx4system> +1 for mekas :D[2:15]* DT_ (54c17513@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.193.117.19) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[2:16]* Losotposket (~pete@83.150.95.29) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[2:17]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@209.sub-174-252-175.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[2:17]* PiBot sets mode +v Doxsee[2:18]* Losotposket (~pete@83.150.95.29) has joined #raspberrypi[2:18]* PiBot sets mode +v Losotposket[2:18]<GabrialDestruir> You'd all be moaning and complaining about it if Farnell was all like "OOPS, UK USERS GET A 20 POUND HANDLING FEE"[2:19]<victhor> that's what happens when you order newark items, actually... :P[2:19]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@c-24-11-54-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:19]* PiBot sets mode +v johnthebear[2:20]<UnaClocker> victhor: Yeah, I'm on the "interest list" at the other place, actually found that at 0601 GMT..[2:20]<UnaClocker> More or less, anyways.[2:21]* EiN_ is now known as EiNSTeiN_[2:21]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@205.233.81.195) Quit (Changing host)[2:21]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) has joined #raspberrypi[2:21]* PiBot sets mode +v EiNSTeiN_[2:22]* richard (~richard@82-68-251-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[2:22]* PiBot sets mode +v richard[2:22]* richard is now known as Guest27791[2:24]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) has joined #raspberrypi[2:24]* PiBot sets mode +v licess[2:25]* Guest27791 (~richard@82-68-251-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) Quit (Client Quit)[2:25]* Guest27791 (~richard@82-68-251-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[2:25]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest27791[2:25]* Guest27791 is now known as chanmaster[2:25]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[2:25]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[2:26]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Quit: koda)[2:26]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[2:26]* PiBot sets mode +v koda[2:26]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Client Quit)[2:27]* afief (~quassel@109.64.43.100) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[2:27]* afief (~quassel@bzq-109-64-6-110.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:27]* PiBot sets mode +v afief[2:27]* LWK_mac_ (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[2:27]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac_[2:27]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[2:27]* LWK_mac_ is now known as LWK_mac[2:28]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[2:28]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[2:29]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[2:29]* iBog (~iBog@206.188.138.246.ppp.northrock.bm) has joined #raspberrypi[2:29]* PiBot sets mode +v iBog[2:29]* IT_Sean peers in[2:29]<iBog> hello[2:29]<iBog> lots of buzz for the raspberry pi[2:30]<ReggieUK> hi IT_Sean[2:30]<iBog> are there other similar PCs?[2:30]<iBog> USB powered[2:30]* berp (~fake@dhcp-077-249-161-109.chello.nl) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... 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But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)[2:31]<shizzledizzle> the beagleboard[2:31]* gomiboy (~frodone@ppp-187-1.21-151.libero.it) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[2:31]<shizzledizzle> http://beagleboard.org/[2:32]<shizzledizzle> very nice hardware, but expensive[2:32]<iBog> ok[2:32]<iBog> just wondering[2:32]<shizzledizzle> $140 for the current one[2:32]<iBog> looking for it now. do they have wifi?[2:32]<iBog> ouch[2:32]<shizzledizzle> usb, ethernet, cortex a8[2:32]* Androo (~andy@li110-229.members.linode.com) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[2:32]<shizzledizzle> negative[2:33]<iBog> ok[2:33]<iBog> wondering if an integrated wifi would make it cheaper[2:33]<shizzledizzle> just grab any chinese wifi dongle off ebay.. $5, free shipping, problem solved[2:33]<chanmaster> waddup[2:33]<iBog> yea, but like the integrated idea[2:33]<shizzledizzle> i like ralink 3070 chipset.. well supported[2:34]<shizzledizzle> i gotta floss, yo. Peace![2:34]<lianj> the pandaboard has wifi[2:34]<iBog> whets processor on raspberry pi?[2:34]<iBog> is panda board usb powered?[2:35]<chanmaster> just logged in to say hi since the forums still seem to be down[2:35]<chanmaster> not used IRC in ages[2:35]<IT_Sean> 'ello chanmaster[2:35]<chanmaster> rpi has an ARM11 cpu i believe[2:36]<chanmaster> 700mhz?[2:36]<iBog> thanks[2:36]<IT_Sean> And yes, the raspi.org website has been taken down due to the extreme server load around the release date news[2:36]<iBog> just thinking of an airplay server??? wifi would be nice[2:36]<IT_Sean> iBog, add a USB WiFi dongle[2:36]<iBog> or I'll mod an airport express[2:36]<Syliss> mod an airport express?[2:37]<IT_Sean> O_o Not really sure how that would work[2:37]<iBog> Syliss: yes, there are instructions online how to replace the power supply on the airport to make it USB powered[2:37]<iBog> airport express[2:37]<Syliss> lol, but cool[2:38]<IT_Sean> That may POWER it, but, it won't add wifi to the raspi.[2:38]<iBog> I want one for my boat lol[2:38]<chanmaster> lulz hack an airport express[2:38]<chanmaster> and mate it to a raspberry pi[2:38]<chanmaster> would sort of look like a sick love child[2:39]<Syliss> i was thinking of taking my wrt54g and adding a rpi to it, inside it[2:39]<victhor> airport express is an AP... closest thing to a wifi card would be bridge mode.[2:39]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[2:39]<iBog> http://www.instructables.com/id/Converting-a-Broken-Airport-Express-PSU-with-an-US/[2:40]<iBog> makes AE usb powered.[2:40]<chanmaster> i'm gonna jet[2:40]<chanmaster> goodnight[2:40]* Magog (~kvirc@c211-30-210-147.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[2:40]* PiBot sets mode +v Magog[2:40]* Magog is now known as Magoggles[2:40]* chanmaster (~richard@82-68-251-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:42]<Syliss> wow iBog really a hacksaw?[2:43]<Syliss> I'm so happy bing is still doing its point system for free stuff[2:44]<GabrialDestruir> Dude o.o[2:44]<GabrialDestruir> The rPi could fit in a WRT54G o.o[2:44]<GabrialDestruir> I didn't even think of that[2:44]<Syliss> i did when i realized my 54g v8 board is smaller then my 54gs[2:44]<UnaClocker> I want to build a Mame cabinet with my first Pi.[2:44]<Syliss> more room for a pi[2:45]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:45]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[2:45]<GabrialDestruir> Would Pi even work for Mame?[2:45]<GabrialDestruir> o.O[2:45]<Syliss> i want to cluster 1000 a's[2:45]<Syliss> jk[2:45]<UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: As long as you're not expecting better than 16bit games.[2:45]<UnaClocker> Might do N64 too.. Not sure yet..[2:45]<ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, maybe[2:45]<GabrialDestruir> I'm going to use my rPi to navigate a sattelite through space junk![2:45]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[2:45]<ReggieUK> there is an sdl version of mame[2:46]<iBog> GabrialDestruir: I need everything powered by usb[2:46]<ReggieUK> which would probably be the easier to compile right now[2:46]<iBog> Syliss: any other way to open the AE? dremel?[2:46]<Syliss> iBog: u do realize that the board itself will not be able to power much right?[2:46]<ReggieUK> although I keep forgetting, pi isn't a random target that we'd have to try and shoehorn something into to work[2:47]<GabrialDestruir> I was thinking there needs to be a case with a built in powered hub[2:47]<iBog> Syliss: rasp? just would be fun to make an airplay server[2:47]<Syliss> i was going to do that GabrialDestruir[2:47]<GabrialDestruir> powered by like a 12V adapter that runs the Pi and the hub[2:47]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[2:47]<Syliss> iBog: if you can get them cheap, sure[2:47]<GabrialDestruir> Or ya know[2:47]<GabrialDestruir> something like that[2:48]<Syliss> GabrialDestruir: easy[2:48]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@209.sub-174-252-175.myvzw.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:48]<iBog> Syliss: same concept behind Kivic One[2:48]<GabrialDestruir> Though personally I think it'd be cool if the case also had like... built in wifi dongle type thing[2:49]<iBog> http://www.kivic-one.com/[2:49]<GabrialDestruir> and an "extension" port over the GPIO so you could still access them[2:49]<Syliss> GabrialDestruir: its possible, there is a company that will do 3d printing in not just crappy plastic[2:49]<GabrialDestruir> Eh, it'd be more than just 3D printing though. lol[2:50]<Syliss> not really, u can stick in a usb hub and wifi into it[2:51]<GabrialDestruir> Yes, but to make them actually apart of the case so it doesn't look tacky? :p[2:51]<Syliss> hence the 3d printing[2:51]<iBog> ok??? so how to make rasp a wifi AP?[2:51]<SpeedEvil> Find a USB stick that can do AP mode.[2:52]<iBog> all powered by USB?[2:52]<GabrialDestruir> iBog, I was looking at this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00333AWTA/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_g147_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1F5ARVGVTGCGCR5W1DAS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846[2:52]<GabrialDestruir> or something similar[2:52]<iBog> ok[2:52]<GabrialDestruir> Cause supposedly it can do "Master Mode"[2:52]<iBog> needs driver too[2:53]<GabrialDestruir> Yea, but that was a given.[2:53]<iBog> never seen good 3d printing to make a case[2:53]<GabrialDestruir> It says linux support, but who knows if that extends over to ARM devices.[2:54]<iBog> I was gonna use a ziplockbag lol[2:54]<UnaClocker> http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Mbps-Wireless-Easy-N-Upgrader-TEW-637AP/dp/B00134LUE2 I use one of these to make a WIFI AP for my SheevaPlug.. It'd work well with the Pi as well.[2:54]<iBog> yep[2:54]<GabrialDestruir> Yea that could work, but I was looking at price as well as functionality.[2:54]<unkle_george> Cluster anyone: http://antipastohw.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-to-make-beagleboard-elastic-r.html[2:54]<unkle_george> Could do with the RPi[2:54]<UnaClocker> Yeah, I got mine free from a friend. ;)[2:55]<lianj> unkle_george: in a year, when you can get so many ;)[2:55]<UnaClocker> A Beowolf cluster! Yay.[2:55]* SpeedEvil arghs at the lack of Pi.[2:55]<GabrialDestruir> Omg...[2:55]<unkle_george> yeah ... Pretty neat setup there[2:55]<GabrialDestruir> that looks like a horrid fire hazzard[2:55]<GabrialDestruir> xD[2:55]<unkle_george> was pretty fast for his application too[2:56]<SpeedEvil> At the moment, I want to tcpdump myu wifi connection, so that I can work out why Tesco's app is not downloading product preview pics.[2:56]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has left #raspberrypi[2:57]<[\\\\\\\]> UnaClocker: Try taking that on an airplane[2:58]<[\\\\\\\]> See what happens[2:58]<iBog> would seem somoen already has airplay running on the rasp http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/01/20/raspberry.pi.shown.running.airplay.youtube.video/[2:58]<GabrialDestruir> lmao[2:58]<GabrialDestruir> Try taking that on a plane and you'll get the TSA Tackle[2:58]<GabrialDestruir> Taser[2:58]<GabrialDestruir> and complimentry pepper spray[2:58]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[2:59]<IT_Sean> not to mention the full cavity search[2:59]<traeak> http://liliputing.com/2012/02/35-raspberry-pi-computer-goes-on-sale-first-batch-already-sold-out.html#disqus_thread[3:00]<traeak> martin jones' comment is cool[3:01]<UnaClocker> Why would I take a wifi router on an airplane?[3:01]<SpeedEvil> UnaClocker: Scares off the snakes.[3:01]* jzaw (~jzaw@macbook.dzki.co.uk) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[3:01]<iBog> rasp boots OS from SD card?[3:01]<SpeedEvil> Yes iBog[3:01]<IT_Sean> yup[3:02]<GabrialDestruir> I'm sorry, even if this IS meant for teaching students to code and program, why should people have issues with others who want it to do flash, or be used as a low cost media center?[3:03]<ReggieUK> because they're wishing for ponies that probably won't be delivered[3:03]<Milhouse> Anyone else notice the Model B price on Farnell has dropped by ??2 ex VAT?[3:03]<iBog> could help unleash creativity[3:03]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)[3:03]<SpeedEvil> Milhouse: no[3:03]<Milhouse> Was ??26.55, now ??24.55 - my order still shows ??26.55 and is on back-order.[3:03]<Milhouse> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185[3:03]<ReggieUK> you can do flash, if you make it do flash but banging on about wishing it would do flash gets kind of annoying after a while[3:04]<SpeedEvil> Mine shows 26.55 and 14.16[3:04]<UnaClocker> Flash is crap.[3:04]<SpeedEvil> I haven't checked out thouhg.[3:04]<Milhouse> Going to contact Farnell in the morning and ask for my back-order to be corrected[3:04]<traeak> thankfully flash is dying[3:04]<SpeedEvil> yeah - same price drop here.[3:04]<traeak> facebook gaming is starting to fall[3:04]<traeak> hehe[3:04]<SpeedEvil> traeak: In some cases. One of my 'killer apps' is flash.[3:05]<SpeedEvil> Which is why my PC uses ~10W more than it should most of the time.[3:05]<UnaClocker> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-100mw-150mbps-ieee802-11b-g-n-usb-wifi-wireless-network-adapter-w-antenna-black-117398 Wonder if that works in AP mode..[3:05]<iBog> is the SD card SDIO[3:05]<iBog> ?[3:05]<GabrialDestruir> I suppose if you really wanted a solution you could probably virtualize on another computer[3:05]<iBog> I have a eyefi card. has an integrated AP[3:06]<GabrialDestruir> and just use the PI as a remote viewer[3:06]<SpeedEvil> iBog: eyefi is regular SD, not SDIO[3:06]* Nemykal (~kagamin@124-168-57-37.dyn.iinet.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[3:06]<iBog> sorry :)[3:06]<ReggieUK> I always wondered how the eyefi worked[3:06]* afief (~quassel@bzq-109-64-6-110.red.bezeqint.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[3:07]* victhor (~victhor@177.17.104.213) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[3:07]<ReggieUK> and why sdio wifi cards didn't become more popular[3:07]<GabrialDestruir> That's a nice one, doesn't seem to stick out all ugly like either.[3:07]<iBog> never mind, rasp still wouldn't be on the network[3:07]* Nemykal (~kagamin@124-168-57-37.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[3:07]* PiBot sets mode +v Nemykal[3:08]<SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: It's basically silly. It reads the raw block device from the back, if you leave the device on.[3:08]<iBog> good night everyone[3:08]<SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: After saving pics, it can sync[3:08]* jardiamj (~jardiamj@rdbk.p2-254.molalla.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:08]* PiBot sets mode +v jardiamj[3:08]* iBog (~iBog@206.188.138.246.ppp.northrock.bm) Quit (Quit: iBog)[3:09]<ReggieUK> but it connects through a normal wireless connection on a PC? or does it go through an ap of some kind?[3:09]<GabrialDestruir> It goes through by my understanding[3:09]<GabrialDestruir> regular wifi[3:09]<GabrialDestruir> and can automatically sync to whatever picture place you designate[3:09]<traeak> I'm thiking that getting a pair of bluetooth 3.0 + HS would probably do everything *i* would need on a model 'a'[3:10]<traeak> 24mbit with tethering to a PC[3:10]<ReggieUK> ahh, so I guess there is some 'server' side software that handles the pc side of syncing/[3:11]* Pixman (~pix@178-82-140-179.dynamic.hispeed.ch) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]* PiBot sets mode +v Pixman[3:11]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]* PiBot sets mode +v sdw195[3:11]<SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: it actually usually goes to their site.[3:12]<ReggieUK> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww[3:12]<SpeedEvil> Indeed.[3:12]<ReggieUK> feeeeeeelthy dogs[3:12]* customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[3:13]<ReggieUK> I bet there's some simple ftp backend[3:13]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has left #raspberrypi[3:13]<SpeedEvil> It's been hacked IIRC[3:13]* pizthewiz_ (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) has joined #raspberrypi[3:13]* PiBot sets mode +v pizthewiz_[3:14]* pizthewiz_ (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) Quit (Client Quit)[3:14]<ReggieUK> ahh, now you're talking SpeedEvil[3:14]<SpeedEvil> It'd be so awesome if it was a generic hack though.[3:14]<ReggieUK> indeed[3:14]<ReggieUK> it doesn't sound like much is going on with it really[3:14]<ReggieUK> given the size of it[3:15]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[3:15]<SpeedEvil> No, it's just a flash controller, with a wifi interface stuck on the backend, and minimal smarts.[3:15]<ReggieUK> so the software on the pc is doing all the donkey work[3:15]<SpeedEvil> No.[3:16]<SpeedEvil> The device connects through your AP to the net, and pushes to their server.[3:16]<ReggieUK> oh? fair enough[3:16]<[\\\\\\\]> Who said that bit coin sucks the other day?[3:16]* Gozno (~kk@207.186.202.84.customer.cdi.no) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:16]<[\\\\\\\]> Because you're right[3:16]<ReggieUK> so it goes to their server first then back to your software?[3:16]<[\\\\\\\]> They do[3:16]<SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: yes[3:16]<GabrialDestruir> I thought the eyefye got programmed and uploaded it directly to whatever site you wanted[3:16]<ReggieUK> so no web, no pictures?[3:17]<SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Well - it's still a memory card[3:17]<SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: I think it still goes via their server, but that can be made to dump[3:17]* winocm (~winocm@adsl-108-211-106-127.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:17]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[3:17]* winocm (~winocm@adsl-108-211-106-127.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Changing host)[3:17]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) has joined #raspberrypi[3:17]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[3:17]<ReggieUK> sure but kind of defeating the object of calling it an eyefi if you can't get your images onto a pc without a net connection or have to use a card reader[3:17]<Syliss> ugh[3:18]<SpeedEvil> It's hard to make it close to idiot proof otherwise.[3:18]<GabrialDestruir> Well you'd still need some sort of wifi connection between the PC and the card[3:18]<ReggieUK> of course, I was just thinking that funnily enough[3:18]<Syliss> maybe ill use my amazon gift cards towards an appletv and just use xbmc[3:18]<ReggieUK> of course but making everything go through the net first could be chewing up someones data connection[3:18]<GabrialDestruir> You're not going to find in many homes a LAN without internet[3:18]* wkl (~Conan@219.142.118.237) has joined #raspberrypi[3:18]* PiBot sets mode +v wkl[3:19]<ReggieUK> but I have to wait twice as long for my data[3:19]<Syliss> i wish amazon sold the rpi[3:19]<Syliss> then i could get free ones[3:21]* Syliss needs more free stuffs[3:22]* Ranisis (~chatzilla@pool-108-52-123-18.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[3:23]<GabrialDestruir> But that would be unfair to all those people who don't get free pi[3:24]<Syliss> GabrialDestruir: they could get them free to[3:24]<GabrialDestruir> How so?[3:24]<Syliss> hmm[3:24]<acfrazier> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Private-5-Acre-Caribbean-Tropical-Island-Paradise-w-Home-5-Acres-Land-/280833897274?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D280743614541%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6683661295382147110#ht_18565wt_953[3:24]<acfrazier> tempting[3:24]<Da|Mummy> this aught to be hood...[3:25]<acfrazier> I wish I were rich[3:25]<Syliss> sites that reward u in gift cards ;P[3:25]<Da|Mummy> good[3:25]<Da|Mummy> Syliss, tell us more[3:25]<Syliss> really?[3:25]<SpeedEvil> Syliss: Do you have to shake your ass for the camera on those sites?[3:25]<Nemykal> for example you can constantly fill out recaptchas and earn a few cents[3:25]<Syliss> ye.. no[3:25]<GabrialDestruir> I'm tempted oh so tempted to put like 2349839383[3:25]<Nemykal> and you get paid in amazon gift cards[3:25]<GabrialDestruir> lol[3:26]<Syliss> Nemykal: kinda[3:26]<Syliss> or bing searches[3:26]<SpeedEvil> If you did work for the cards, they aren't free.[3:26]<lianj> what a waste of time[3:26]<GabrialDestruir> Filling out recaptchas for bots is bad -.-[3:26]<Syliss> haha[3:26]<Syliss> you are wasting time on irc no?[3:27]<Syliss> bbl[3:27]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[3:28]* jt1134 (~jt1134@145.sub-75-204-166.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[3:28]* PiBot sets mode +v jt1134[3:28]<GabrialDestruir> It'd be nice to find a good survey site.... but all the ones I ever come across seem epicly fishy[3:28]<GabrialDestruir> always ending with "If you want your cards points etc, select two trials here, do this, do that."[3:33]<Da|Mummy> this is a lot like saying, i sold my things to buy some things, so the things i bought were free[3:33]<mekas> How much an hour do you make filling out recaptchas ?[3:34]<GabrialDestruir> No clue... but filling out recaptchas is bad .-.[3:34]<Henchman21> fill out thi survey and win a chance to win a chance at winning MONEY!!![3:34]<Da|Mummy> + add 2 inches to your penis![3:35]<GabrialDestruir> Basicly[3:35]* cantIntoCode[A] (~paulforde@cpc2-cowc4-0-0-cust332.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[3:35]* PiBot sets mode +v cantIntoCode[A][3:35]<Henchman21> i just made a paypal account[3:35]<acfrazier> lord help you[3:36]<Henchman21> they want to verify my bank, will take 2-3 days to charge like .03 and i have to confirm yes you charged me .04c yay we verified now but they have this instant verification just enter in your bank accounts online login details user/pass security question 1+2+3[3:37]<Henchman21> ugh no[3:37]<GabrialDestruir> Uhm with ING there's a seperate "Application Password"[3:37]<Henchman21> im surpised facebook doesnt require a bank account login details and your next of kin[3:38]<GabrialDestruir> So you can instantly verify without paypal truly having all your information[3:38]<Henchman21> i was reading about ING[3:38]<Henchman21> how is it?[3:38]<GabrialDestruir> Good[3:39]<Henchman21> i figured i'd join the derp crowd and get a paypal account :P[3:40]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) Quit ()[3:42]* cerberos (~cerberos@58.137.9.242) has joined #raspberrypi[3:42]* PiBot sets mode +v cerberos[3:42]<UnaClocker> Henchman21: Paypal is so last decade.. Get a Dwolla account. ;)[3:43]<GabrialDestruir> If you want an ING account it's free, and if someone reffers you and you sign up with like 250 dollars, you both get free money[3:44]<Henchman21> i dont have 250$[3:45]<Da|Mummy> wonna refer me?[3:46]<Da|Mummy> how much do we get?[3:46]* LWK_mac_ (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[3:46]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac_[3:48]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[3:48]* LWK_mac_ is now known as LWK_mac[3:51]<Da|Mummy> guess not[3:51]* winocm (~winocm@108.211.106.127) has joined #raspberrypi[3:51]* winocm (~winocm@108.211.106.127) Quit (Changing host)[3:51]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) has joined #raspberrypi[3:51]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[3:51]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[3:51]* Dr_Dalek (~dalek@76-10-152-15.dsl.teksavvy.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)[3:51]* smw_ (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) has joined #raspberrypi[3:51]* PiBot sets mode +v smw_[3:55]* jt1134 (~jt1134@145.sub-75-204-166.myvzw.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[3:58]<Henchman21> i think ing costs like 7$ a month[3:58]* Vir2L (~Greg@224.231-93-216-fuji-dsl.dhcp.surewest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[3:58]<Henchman21> or am i thinking of a different site[4:00]<MBS> oh sweet, so havent been looking, but raspberry pi is on newark[4:00]<MBS> is there is a coupon code[4:00]<MBS> Henchman21, ing direct is free[4:04]<MBS> anyone know estimated time for shipping on newark raspberry pi?[4:05]<Henchman21> think it said march 31~[4:05]<Henchman21> i notice they dont have the 20$ handling fee[4:05]<Henchman21> anymore[4:06]<Henchman21> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=83T1943[4:06]<Henchman21> "Further stock expected to ship Mar 31, 2012[4:06]<MBS> yeah[4:06]* afief (~quassel@109.64.6.110) has joined #raspberrypi[4:06]* PiBot sets mode +v afief[4:06]<MBS> guess will order now[4:07]<MBS> if they try to pull that $20 handling free s***, gunna chargeback it[4:07]<MBS> *free[4:07]<MBS> *fee[4:07]<Henchman21> heh[4:07]<ewan> 20$ handling[4:07]<GabrialDestruir> -.-[4:07]<Henchman21> i kind of feel bad my friend ordered one with the 20$ fee earlier[4:07]<ewan> fuck that noise[4:07]<ewan> I'll wait[4:07]<GabrialDestruir> They canceled the 20 dollar fee[4:08]<GabrialDestruir> It was a type[4:08]<GabrialDestruir> typo*[4:08]<Henchman21> thank god[4:08]<Henchman21> stired up the hive[4:08]<GabrialDestruir> It didn't stir up the hive so much as that Lienze person did[4:08]<Henchman21> stopped me from getting one earlier[4:08]<GabrialDestruir> trying to say "20 is better than 80"[4:09]<Henchman21> i wonder howmuch shipping is though[4:09]<Henchman21> just an ity wiw board[4:10]<MBS> hmmm[4:10]<MBS> apparently shipping cost is unknown until it ships[4:10]<GabrialDestruir> Through farnell it's 7 bucks[4:10]<GabrialDestruir> supposedly[4:10]<MBS> but there is a coupon for free shipping with $100 purchase, but i dont need 3, lol[4:11]<Henchman21> buy 3 and sell em to your friends[4:12]<Henchman21> now when will model A be on sale[4:12]<MBS> thats what im thinking, about to ask if friend wants to order together[4:12]<mekas> Better question when will the model A be shipped.[4:13]<Henchman21> next ummer[4:13]<Henchman21> summer[4:13]* Aethaeryn (~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn) has joined #raspberrypi[4:13]* PiBot sets mode +v Aethaeryn[4:13]<GabrialDestruir> Bah[4:14]<GabrialDestruir> Model A will probably be a month or two[4:14]<GabrialDestruir> after they catch up with all their model B stock[4:14]* ShiftPlusOne (~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[4:14]* PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne[4:16]* ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne[4:16]<ShiftPlusOne> 'morning[4:18]<Aethaeryn> So they put it in impulse buy price range and it's unavailable to impulse buy? :-P[4:18]* oberling (~oberling@brln-4db9e878.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[4:20]* oberling (~oberling@brln-4d0c2a66.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:20]* PiBot sets mode +v oberling[4:21]<ShiftPlusOne> Aethaeryn, well not yet anyway[4:21]<mekas> No, but you can express your impulse interest.[4:24]<MBS> just get a model b and break off the ethernet port[4:24]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has joined #raspberrypi[4:24]* PiBot sets mode +v sdw195[4:25]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has left #raspberrypi[4:25]<ReggieUK> I Wonder if they'll just leave the pads unpopulated on teh model a[4:25]<ReggieUK> I'll gladly sell someone the ethernet port off my B when i get it[4:25]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:25]* PiBot sets mode +v pizthewiz[4:25]<Aethaeryn> I like ethernet.[4:25]<ReggieUK> I like pi[4:25]<ReggieUK> and RS[4:26]<ReggieUK> and Farnell[4:26]<Aethaeryn> I prefer e to pi.[4:26]<Aethaeryn> Where's Rasberry e?[4:26]<MBS> Blueberry E[4:26]<ReggieUK> is that a new drug aimed at kids?[4:27]<Aethaeryn> 2.718281828... Also known as the "troll point" in e[4:27]<Aethaeryn> Makes you think it's going to repeat and play nicely with decimal[4:28]* techman2 (6e8e80a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.110.142.128.166) has joined #raspberrypi[4:28]* PiBot sets mode +v techman2[4:28]* Enoria (~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org) has joined #raspberrypi[4:28]* PiBot sets mode +v Enoria[4:28]<MBS> bleh so looks like newark actually is still limiting to 1 per person :([4:28]* unkle_george_ (~quassel@static-50-53-154-51.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:28]* PiBot sets mode +v unkle_george_[4:29]<Aethaeryn> Is there a reason to go in large volume?[4:29]<Aethaeryn> i.e. make a pseudo-super-computer with 40 of them or something :-P[4:30]<GabrialDestruir> If I could build a computer from a few of those vs spending hundreds of dollars....[4:31]<GabrialDestruir> That'd be an interesting project[4:31]<Aethaeryn> 40 rasberry pis in parallel *will* do some tasks better than a $1400 computer. But not most.[4:32]<MBS> not many[4:32]<MBS> there is a coupon code for free shipping with $100 purchase today[4:32]<Aethaeryn> MBS: Depends on how you program.[4:32]<MBS> i mean i guess i could technically order some random $65 random thing but[4:33]<MBS> program raspberry pi version very efficiently, and make x86 version as inefficient as possible?[4:33]<ReggieUK> I want to palm stuff off onto a pi that i know it will be good at, leaving my laptop doing the grunt work[4:33]<Ben64> pi doesn't have good bandwidth[4:33]<ReggieUK> it doesn't need much for what I want to do[4:34]<Aethaeryn> hmm, 4 of them have 1 GB of RAM, so 40 of them would have 10 GB combined RAM.[4:34]<Ben64> limited to 12.5MB/s on network, so a bramble could only get so big before it gets terribly inefficient[4:34]<GabrialDestruir> I wonder... could you attach an ethernet via GPIO somehow? Also would it be any faster than USB or the built in one? >.>[4:34]<ReggieUK> as long as it can cope with a frame every couple of seconds from a webcam and analyse it for object movement, that'll do just fine[4:35]<Ben64> could do that with one pi[4:35]<Aethaeryn> hmm, I wonder if someone *will* build a super computer out of a few thousand just for lulz, even though it'd be inefficient.[4:35]<ReggieUK> indeed Ben64[4:35]<ReggieUK> there are some other things I'd like it to do but I'd prefer a 2nd pi for that too[4:35]<MBS> sure 10GB connect ram, alot of it taken by redundant things, and probably pretty low memory bandwidth[4:36]<Ben64> could make an 8 core computer with more ram for cheaper[4:37]<Aethaeryn> Of course.[4:37]<Aethaeryn> Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done economically speaking.[4:38]* zhoeon (~fc@24-226-154-188.dr.cgocable.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[4:38]* PiBot sets mode +v zhoeon[4:39]<unkle_george_> ManyPi Would work pretty good for a Hadoop Map Reduce engine[4:39]<unkle_george_> Something like a web search engine[4:39]<Aethaeryn> hmm[4:39]<Aethaeryn> brb, starting a new search engine ;-)[4:39]<unkle_george_> Something that takes alot of cpu power and not much bandwidth[4:40]<unkle_george_> like text searching[4:40]<unkle_george_> image processing[4:41]<ReggieUK> image processing is what I want[4:41]<ReggieUK> someone has already written the app. I need[4:42]<unkle_george_> Every node is pre-loaded with a set of images, broadcast a sample image to the cluster and everyone does an image compare[4:42]<unkle_george_> good for finding similar images[4:44]<Aethaeryn> hmmm[4:45]* afief (~quassel@109.64.6.110) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[4:45]<Aethaeryn> Things that can be broken up into distinct tasks could be useful parallel... simplest example would be looping 1-10000 on one machine, 10001-20000 on another, etc.[4:45]<Aethaeryn> If the program was analyzing or generating *anything* that used a loop where i+1 doesn't depend on i[4:47]* mod_eerf (~mod_eerf@unaffiliated/mod-eerf/x-1197477) has joined #raspberrypi[4:47]* PiBot sets mode +v mod_eerf[4:48]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:50]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:50]* PiBot sets mode +v srj55[4:50]* Foxhoundz (~Fujitsu@adsl-75-47-108-11.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:50]* PiBot sets mode +v Foxhoundz[4:50]<Foxhoundz> :([4:50]<Foxhoundz> I want my Pi[4:50]<Foxhoundz> I want it now![4:51]<Foxhoundz> Newark has a month long wait before they ship any orders[4:51]<Foxhoundz> which is ridiculouls[4:51]<Foxhoundz> ridiculous[4:51]<Aethaeryn> ??[4:51]* jumpkick (~jumpkick@206-248-184-10.dsl.teksavvy.com) Quit (Quit: jumpkick)[4:51]<Aethaeryn> Yes, it is ridiculous. Something priced so low... is an impulse buy.[4:51]<Aethaeryn> The sooner it ships, the less you regret buying it.[4:52]<ShiftPlusOne> You want #raspberrypi-wah[4:52]<Ben64> ??[4:52]<UnaClocker> ShiftPlusOne: Me too.[4:52]* DataSpree (~DataSpree@ip72-204-12-32.fv.ks.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:52]* PiBot sets mode +v DataSpree[4:53]<UnaClocker> Foxhoundz: Only a month for you? Lucky. Mine ships May 10th.[4:53]<ShiftPlusOne> End of April for me.[4:53]<Ben64> ??[4:54]<mekas> Just think by then you'll know what to do with it.[4:54]<Foxhoundz> That's the problem[4:54]<Foxhoundz> I didn't even order it =([4:54]<Foxhoundz> They were already out[4:54]<Ben64> then order it[4:54]<ShiftPlusOne> nobody ordered any, it's all pre-orders, AFAIK.[4:54]<DataSpree> I preordered from farnell[4:54]<Foxhoundz> So now I'm hoping to buy it for $50-60 from scalpers on eBay[4:55]<Foxhoundz> If I get lucky[4:55]<mekas> Did you 'express interest' at RS's site ?[4:55]<Ben64> i'm not sure how many i'm going to get[4:55]<Ben64> extras are getting sold[4:55]<UnaClocker> Yeh, I expressed all over RS.[4:56]<mekas> Cause they may still just announce ordering is open for their 5,000[4:56]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:56]* PiBot sets mode +v passstab[4:56]<mekas> ANd first come first served.[4:56]<ReggieUK> unlikely that you'll get one via ebay for a sensible price[4:56]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[4:56]<UnaClocker> What ever happened to the RaspberryPi mailing list?!?[4:56]<ReggieUK> there was someone scamming that they had 10 for sale on there earlier on[4:56]<ReggieUK> foundation got them squashed[4:56]<ReggieUK> $95 a piece they wanted[4:56]<Ben64> i'll be getting anywhere from 2 to 5 of them[4:56]<UnaClocker> I should get my wife to bake a Raspberry Pie and sell it on eBay..[4:57]<ReggieUK> and they didn't obviously have any[4:57]<Ben64> i'll be happy if i can recoup my costs[4:57]<ShiftPlusOne> yeah, if you see any on ebay, report it as a fraudulent listing[4:57]<UnaClocker> I thought it was open hardware? Couldn't someone else start making these things?[4:58]<Aethaeryn> UnaClocker:[4:58]<Ben64> they can't get the broadcom chip[4:58]<Aethaeryn> "Yes, it's a rasberry pie, I just left out the last letter... typo"[4:58]<UnaClocker> Ahh.. Good trick..[4:58]<DataSpree> UnaClocker: they've not released all the schematics yet and it would be hard to acquire the SOC for cheaper than the foundation can get it[4:59]<Aethaeryn> It's okay, Generation II will be better anyway.[4:59]<Ben64> next version isn't until 2020[4:59]<Aethaeryn> :o[4:59]<DataSpree> citation?[5:00]<Ben64> look how long this one took to come out[5:00]<DataSpree> 1-2 years?[5:00]<Ben64> 6[5:00]<Aethaeryn> but that's only 18 years until the end of the 32 bit world![5:00]<techman2> I don't envision they would be in a hurry to come out with a revised model.[5:00]<DataSpree> im sure an improvement to an existing design takes less time than creating an entirely new design and charity from scratch[5:01]<techman2> BCM2835 has 10 year availability.[5:01]<Ben64> so maybe 3 years then[5:01]* zhoeon (~fc@24-226-154-188.dr.cgocable.ca) has left #raspberrypi[5:01]<Aethaeryn> But cellphones update every few months! :-P[5:02]* mod_eerf (~mod_eerf@unaffiliated/mod-eerf/x-1197477) has left #raspberrypi[5:02]<UnaClocker> Not the iPhone..[5:02]<Aethaeryn> 3 years from now SoCs will probably be 2.8 Ghz quadcore with 2 GB RAM or something ridiculous[5:02]<UnaClocker> Update, wait a year for everyone to recover, update, wait a year??? ;)[5:02]<Aethaeryn> Considering how fast smartphones have updated[5:02]<n17ikh> damn[5:02]<n17ikh> expected ship date 5/10 for my rpi[5:02]<techman2> performance is not the main focus for it though[5:02]<UnaClocker> n17ikh: Same here.[5:03]<Aethaeryn> techman2: I know, I'm just saying that this design will be obsolete rather quickly thanks to smartphones[5:03]<a5m0> what place isn't shippinh till may!?[5:03]<techman2> Aethaeryn: it already is. ARM11 is quite old now.[5:03]<n17ikh> a5m0: newark[5:03]<UnaClocker> a5m0: Newark, they also charged me a $20 "handling fee"[5:04]<n17ikh> UnaClocker: the handling fee is supposed to be cancelled[5:04]<a5m0> whatttt i just placed an order it said march 31st...[5:04]<Aethaeryn> techman2: Yes, you could get phones at 1 GHz two years ago.... but not for $35[5:04]<n17ikh> a5m0: that's what the product page said the estimated date of them getting new ones was, but I think that might be the first batch[5:04]* UnaClocker slams his head into the desk.[5:04]<techman2> I've got no ETA on my order with element14[5:04]<Aethaeryn> And yes, phones have more hardware than this, but it's still a significant price cut compared to what was available before the smartphone boom, probably[5:04]<techman2> Aethaeryn: agreed.\[5:04]<a5m0> isn't element14/newark the same thing?[5:04]<Ben64> i have a dual core 1ghz phone, but it cost a lot more than $35[5:05]<techman2> a5m0: yeah, it's just different brands[5:05]<Ben64> and it has a locked down bootloader, no ethernet, no usb[5:05]<UnaClocker> element14/newark/farnell.. They seem to have a lot of names.[5:05]<techman2> yeah it's confusing[5:05]<UnaClocker> Guess it's like Tandy/Radio Shack/Realistic...[5:06]<techman2> bbl[5:06]* techman2 (6e8e80a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.110.142.128.166) Quit (Quit: work.)[5:06]* cantIntoCode[A] is now known as cantIntoCode[5:08]* UnaClocker (~unaclocke@24-113-85-150.wavecable.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[5:08]<Aethaeryn> As long as smartphones remain the hottest hardware for the next few years, 2014's $35 computer could be twice as powerful as a #raspberrypi[5:08]<Aethaeryn> I don't think slow revisions would do anyone justice, unless of course you want to just keep cutting the cost, because a $10 computer would be pretty cool, too.[5:09]<Aethaeryn> I mean, I spend more on food in a day than $10, sometimes.[5:11]* afief (~quassel@109.64.6.110) has joined #raspberrypi[5:11]* PiBot sets mode +v afief[5:11]<mekas> Yes but you can't eat this Pi[5:15]<Ben64> challenge accepted[5:16]<yano> somewhere, someone will eat it[5:16]<a5m0> it's safe, lead free[5:17]<mekas> Perhaps, buy will it blend ?[5:17]<mekas> but[5:21]<ReggieUK> it might be lead free but that doesn't make it save[5:21]<ReggieUK> safe*[5:21]<Aethaeryn> Well, someone has to see if it's safe.[5:21]<Aethaeryn> For science![5:23]<ReggieUK> let me know how you get on with that[5:23]<Aethaeryn> Oh, let me clarify.[5:23]* Foxhoundz (~Fujitsu@adsl-75-47-108-11.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has left #raspberrypi[5:23]<Aethaeryn> Someone *else* has to see if it's safe.[5:23]<Aethaeryn> I personally think computing is more valuable than food.[5:23]<ReggieUK> ok, let me know how they get on with that[5:24]<lianj> blend than then have it as a soup[5:24]<ReggieUK> it'd be a smoothie wouldn't it?[5:25]<Aethaeryn> (hours of entertainment / amount of money) ==> #raspberrypi > pie[5:25]<Aethaeryn> The problem is that the numerator is low when it comes to food. Very low.[5:26]<ReggieUK> g'night all[5:27]<[deXter]> Eh[5:27]<[deXter]> It's 4:30 AM.. O.o[5:28]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca5679.bb.sky.com) Quit ()[5:28]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) has joined #raspberrypi[5:28]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[5:32]* unkle_george_ (~quassel@static-50-53-154-51.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[5:34]* d4rr3ll_ (~darrell@173-45-224-130.slicehost.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[5:37]* Aerosfire (~Aerosfire@c-98-194-203-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:37]* PiBot sets mode +v Aerosfire[5:38]<sraue> anyone know or have read if it makes sense to order a more expensive fast SDCard (for example 90MB/s) or if the cardreader is limited to a special speed?[5:39]<DataSpree> What is the maximum speed of the raspberry pi's SD card reader?[5:40]<sraue> i am not sure, is this documented anywhere?[5:40]<ShiftPlusOne> class 10 is meant to be fine, but there have been some issues[5:41]<GabrialDestruir> Class 10 cards aren't as good for the little stuff[5:41]<GabrialDestruir> better for bigger stuff[5:41]<sraue> what for issues, if the cardreader cant handle class 10 (higher then 10MB/s) then it should work with a slower speed?[5:42]<ShiftPlusOne> maybe they will fix class 10 in software, maybe not. so maybe go under class 10[5:43]<GabrialDestruir> Well there's still the issue of Class 10s aren't as good for the smaller quick read/writes this has been proven by people working with Nook Colors[5:44]* ShiftPlusOne2 (~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[5:44]* PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne2[5:44]<sraue> i use a OS with no or not much writing and also not small quick reads[5:45]* maahes (~maahes@cpe-98-148-196-131.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: reboot)[5:45]* zutesmog (~timh@CPE-124-187-82-183.lns10.woo.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[5:45]* PiBot sets mode +v zutesmog[5:46]<hotwings> whatever class the card reader can accept is supposed to be what it can handle[5:47]* ShiftPlusOne (~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[5:48]<sraue> the problem: class 10 means over 10MB/s, so you can buy chap 10-15MB/s cards or more expensive 90MB/s cards, for example if the cardreader would supprt 30MB/s i would go with a faster card, if the cardreader will support 8MB/s a 10MB/s card is enough[5:49]<GabrialDestruir> The reader may be able to write/read at class 10, but it's been show they still have issues with the small quick writes/reads[5:51]<Dagger3> you can alternately buy the much cheaper class 4 cards, which are more likely to acheive random write speeds higher than the 10-30 kB/s that C6/10 cards typically get[5:53]<GabrialDestruir> Yea[5:53]<GabrialDestruir> But then you're stuck with the issue of not good with the bigger stuff.... so it's all a game of sacrifice[5:54]<DataSpree> so probably a small SD card for the firmwares and kernels and a small usb flash drive for the OS would be a faster combination[5:55]* maahes (~maahes@cpe-98-148-196-131.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:55]* PiBot sets mode +v maahes[5:55]<GabrialDestruir> Perhaps yea.[5:56]* Aerosfire (~Aerosfire@c-98-194-203-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[5:56]<GabrialDestruir> Or just booting completely from a HDD[5:56]* ShiftPlusOne2 is now known as ShiftPlusOne[5:57]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi[5:57]* PiBot sets mode +v kcj[5:57]<DataSpree> I do have a USB to sata convertor but it still is limited to about 39MB/sec at most[5:57]<sraue> i use a 70MB OS and using a hdd is no option here[6:00]<hotwings> my experience with class6 is ive always gotten good speeds.. class10 (limit use) has also given me good speeds[6:00]<hotwings> some models are good, some arent.. just read up and buy one of the ones with good reviews[6:03]<Magoggles> Yeah... like don't buy kingston :P[6:04]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[6:04]<GabrialDestruir> I like kingston[6:04]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@63-152-79-50.cdrr.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:04]* PiBot sets mode +v Wolfram74[6:04]<GabrialDestruir> They've always been reliable for me[6:04]<Magoggles> I've used kingston RAM in the past but from everything ive heard and experienced, their sd cards are pretty lousy[6:05]<GabrialDestruir> All my microsd cards are kingston.... 8GB Class 10s[6:05]<GabrialDestruir> they're actually closer to class 5 but they're only like 10 bucks now, so does it matter?[6:06]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[6:06]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[6:06]* PiBot sets mode +v no-name-[6:07]<Magoggles> depends what your criteria are[6:07]<Wolfram74> so are things settled down a bit now?[6:08]<GabrialDestruir> NO ZOMG FEDEX JUST SHOWED UP MY PI IS HERE[6:08]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[6:09]<GabrialDestruir> WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?[6:09]<GabrialDestruir> xD[6:09]<[deXter]> GabrialDestruir, FOR REAL?[6:09]<GabrialDestruir> YA! TOTES![6:09]<[deXter]> GabrialDestruir, OMFG.[6:09]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[6:09]<[deXter]> I'm so happy for you I could cry![6:10]<GabrialDestruir> lmfao xD[6:10]<afief> GabrialDestruir: Get it and show photos!!![6:10]<[deXter]> Yeah, PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN![6:10]<GabrialDestruir> Too much work :p[6:10]<GabrialDestruir> Wait till april, maybe I won't be as lazy then[6:10]<[deXter]> Psh, by April I would probably have my own Pi. :P[6:11]<GabrialDestruir> April is actually when I'll get mine.[6:11]<[deXter]> >_>[6:11]<[deXter]> <_<[6:11]* [deXter] slaps GabrialDestruir around a bit with a large trout.[6:11]<[deXter]> You got me all excited for nothing. Shame on you![6:11]<afief> I'm so jealous :( I couldn't manage to order any(either that or they don't ship to israel)[6:11]<GabrialDestruir> lmao[6:12]* zabomber1 (~Adium@203.94.133.89) has joined #raspberrypi[6:12]* PiBot sets mode +v zabomber1[6:12]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:12]* PiBot sets mode +v pizthewiz[6:16]* zutesmog1 (~timh@CPE-124-185-20-118.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[6:16]* PiBot sets mode +v zutesmog1[6:16]* smw_ (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[6:16]* jbb (~yeeb@184.105.219.149) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[6:17]* zutesmog (~timh@CPE-124-187-82-183.lns10.woo.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[6:22]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) has joined #raspberrypi[6:22]* PiBot sets mode +v malandro95[6:22]* koaschten (~koaschten@p5B3A6A6B.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[6:23]<malandro95> anyone have a power source recommendation for the Rpi?[6:23]<DataSpree> usb cable to plug into another computer/tv/monitor's usb port[6:24]<Wolfram74> how do i go about ordering one now?[6:24]<malandro95> you didn't get one? I bought a batch of 8![6:24]<rm> farnell[6:24]<Pixman> Wolfram74, there's an ordering / buying guide on the wiki[6:24]<Pixman> just preorder one at farnell[6:24]<malandro95> Wolfram74, what's your location?[6:24]<Pixman> RS doesn't sell them yet[6:24]<rm> Pixman, wiki is not down?[6:25]<Pixman> last time I checked not[6:25]<Pixman> it's not the official wiki[6:25]<Wolfram74> farnell works with americans?[6:25]* malandro95 is American[6:25]<Pixman> one sec[6:25]<Pixman> looking for link[6:26]<Pixman> don't find it, anyway, farnell.com[6:26]<Pixman> :)[6:26]<Wolfram74> technically, i'm iowan, but few people bother to make the distinction[6:26]<Pixman> what's so different about Iowans? :>[6:26]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[6:26]<malandro95> Wolfram74, heres' your ticket: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=83T1943[6:27]<Wolfram74> it's like being a very tall hobbit[6:27]<malandro95> that's good for us in the USA[6:27]<sraue> malandro95, i have ordered something: http://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteDetails2.aspx?Reiter=Bilder&Artikel=228219[6:27]<mekas> Wolfram the farnell US version is Newark[6:28]<sraue> there are cheaper solutions too[6:28]<mekas> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=2081185[6:28]* jgeboski (jgeboski@206.253.166.124) has joined #raspberrypi[6:28]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[6:28]* jgeboski (jgeboski@206.253.166.124) Quit (Changing host)[6:28]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) has joined #raspberrypi[6:28]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[6:28]<rm> Pixman, http://ch.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185[6:28]* wfd (~duck@194.110.251.45) has joined #raspberrypi[6:28]* PiBot sets mode +v wfd[6:28]<malandro95> thanks sraue![6:28]<Wolfram74> is "registering interest" different from pre-ordering?[6:29]<malandro95> Wolfram74: yes[6:29]<Wolfram74> ho'kay then[6:29]<DataSpree> yes. one takes your email address the other takes your money (and email address)[6:29]<sraue> malandro95, look for cheap mobile phone poweradapters[6:29]<malandro95> I bought a batch of 8, and they are supposed to ship within 30 days[6:29]<malandro95> Hopefully sooner than later[6:29]<mekas> They didn't chage your 8 to 1 ?[6:30]<malandro95> there is a $20 handling fee per order, which is why I got 8. My co-workers each wanted one too.[6:30]<malandro95> Nope, they weren't restrictive on quantity.[6:30]<malandro95> Which I supposed means that people could hoard, but we most of my coworkers wanted one.[6:30]<mekas> The $20 was suppose to be an error.[6:30]<mekas> And was eliminated.[6:30]<malandro95> really? $20 is pretty cheap for shipping.[6:31]<malandro95> cuz there were no shipping costs.[6:31]<mekas> Not for 1[6:31]<mekas> For 8 maybe[6:31]<malandro95> yah, it is high for 1[6:31]<malandro95> but it ships from china[6:31]<Wolfram74> i think since the RpI is light and low power consumption it might make a nice processor for doing some instrument control on high altitude physics platforms[6:33]<malandro95> I'm thinking XBMC in my minivan???.. sweeeeet??????.[6:33]<GabrialDestruir> DAMN YOU XBMC PEOPLE >.>[6:34]<GabrialDestruir> I want to build a car computer with mine...[6:34]<mekas> lol[6:34]<GabrialDestruir> but last I checked Linux doesn't have great GPS software stuff[6:34]<malandro95> car computer? THAT'S WHAT I SAID!![6:34]<malandro95> :-D[6:34]<mekas> Don't worrk if it starts getting popular Microsoft will release WindowsMobile for it as a preemptive measure[6:34]<Pixman> rm, huh?[6:34]<rm> what[6:35]<DataSpree> GabrialDestruir: the Android Linux distribution my phone runs seems to have great GPS navigation software :p[6:35]<Pixman> what about the link you sent me?[6:35]<Wolfram74> order placed, now to wait 3 months until it ships[6:35]<Pixman> <rm> Pixman, http://ch.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185[6:35]<rm> PiKeY, ah I thought you were looking to preorder one[6:35]<ksx4system> GabrialDestruir, +1 for you... there are so many better ideas to make true with RPi -.-[6:35]<rm> it was someone else[6:36]<sraue> malandro95, you have seen http://openelec.tv/news/item/235-openelec-on-raspberry-pi-our-first-arm-device-supported already?[6:36]<malandro95> Wolfram74: are they still saying 30 days and $20 for shipping? did you order more than one?[6:36]<GabrialDestruir> Oh don't get me wrong....[6:36]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@cpe-70-124-1-56.rgv.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[6:36]* PiBot sets mode +v dnstbr[6:36]<Wolfram74> they are still saying expecting to ship more mar 31[6:36]<GabrialDestruir> I want an XBMC rPi too[6:37]<GabrialDestruir> But there's other things that'd be awesome[6:37]<Wolfram74> i ordered 1 unit, and they aren't charging shipping it seems[6:37]<GabrialDestruir> Yet[6:38]<malandro95> GabrialDestruir: that's why I like the SD card design. one could be configured for XBMC, another could be figured for python development. the possibilities are endless![6:38]<malandro95> sraue: I'm not familiar with OpenElec[6:38]<GabrialDestruir> Yea....[6:38]<GabrialDestruir> but if I designed a carputer, I'd want it to stay in the car.[6:38]<sraue> malandro95, its easy to install and handle[6:38]<hotwings> [21:36:02] <GabrialDestruir> I want an XBMC rPi too <-- thats my main interest in rpi as well[6:38]<sraue> and its 70MB only[6:39]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:39]* Flea86 (~Flea86@c114-76-82-206.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[6:39]* PiBot sets mode +v Flea86[6:39]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) has joined #raspberrypi[6:39]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[6:39]<hotwings> malandro95 - ive been using sdhc cards for installs for years now.. its AWESOME[6:39]<hotwings> previous i was using cf cards in cf->sata adapters[6:39]<Flea86> +hotwings: +1[6:39]<Flea86> :)[6:39]<GabrialDestruir> I think XBMC might be great for it, but eventually I want a second and/or third one.[6:40]* kaltoft (~Bo@port59.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk) Quit (Quit: Computer went to sleep)[6:40]<malandro95> sraue: it looks good. clean interface. if connectivity is good, I'd give it a shot[6:40]* kaltoft (~Bo@port59.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[6:40]* PiBot sets mode +v kaltoft[6:40]<malandro95> hotwings: running on what hardware?[6:41]<hotwings> most of my htpc's are intel atom/nvidia ion[2] based[6:41]<hotwings> but also and amd x2 box, and a p4 3ghz box[6:41]* DaMummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[6:41]* PiBot sets mode +v DaMummy[6:42]<hotwings> pretty much every box i use aside of my main desktop, and netbook are installed to either sdhc or usb stick[6:43]* Flea86 (~Flea86@c114-76-82-206.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has left #raspberrypi[6:43]* Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[6:44]* zabomber2 (~Adium@203.94.133.89) has joined #raspberrypi[6:44]* PiBot sets mode +v zabomber2[6:44]* zabomber1 (~Adium@203.94.133.89) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:44]* zabomber2 (~Adium@203.94.133.89) Quit (Client Quit)[6:44]<GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering just how much power a decent Car computer would need though....[6:44]<GabrialDestruir> Like what all does it have to do?[6:45]<malandro95> depends on how many usb peripherals you have hooked up[6:45]<hotwings> thats actually my second interest in rpi.. adding a touchscreen to it and making it a low power, miniture footprint media playback device for my car[6:46]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[6:46]<GabrialDestruir> Well I mean like processing power not necessarily electrical power.[6:47]<malandro95> The van already has 2 screens and sufficient inputs. Now I just need to make it less "van-like" and it would be a pretty sweet ride....[6:48]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[6:48]<Aethaeryn> hmm, how much would a touchscreen cost?[6:49]<hotwings> not sure there[6:49]<hotwings> i dont think theyre too much though[6:49]<hotwings> for 7-8"[6:49]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) has joined #raspberrypi[6:49]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[6:49]<Aethaeryn> Idk, if touchscreens are cheap, why don't people buy the computer component, the touch screen, and the wifi, and just build their own?[6:50]<GabrialDestruir> Now see, if I had a van... with multiple screens....[6:50]<GabrialDestruir> I'd want to have like.... double computers...[6:50]<GabrialDestruir> so I'd need virtualization[6:50]<hotwings> touchscreen decks for cars arent that expensive anymore[6:50]<hotwings> you can get a good one for $300 these days[6:51]<hotwings> a great one for twice+[6:51]<GabrialDestruir> 300 isn't expensive?[6:51]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[6:51]<GabrialDestruir> To me like 100 isn't expensive[6:51]<Aethaeryn> hotwings: remember, we're in the channel of "the $25 computer"[6:51]<hotwings> i dont think so, not for a 7" touchscreen media player[6:52]<GabrialDestruir> For 300 you could buy a 7" tablet[6:52]<hotwings> sure, the rpi is supposed to cost $25-$35... but we're talking about car touchscreens at the moment, not rpis[6:52]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:52]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) has joined #raspberrypi[6:52]* PiBot sets mode +v Laogeodritt[6:52]<hotwings> if you want to mount a tablet in your dashboard, go ahead[6:52]<GabrialDestruir> It could work.[6:53]<GabrialDestruir> lol[6:53]<malandro95> would there be any way to port the display to an android tablet? how about to a nook or kindle?[6:53]<GabrialDestruir> Maybe VNC?[6:54]<GabrialDestruir> As far as I know there's no way for a nook to accept HDMI in via it's microsd[6:54]<Henchman21> heh[6:55]<GabrialDestruir> So anything you're doing would be via Wifi or maybe BT[6:56]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:56]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[6:59]* codesnow (~snow@72.53.127.167) has joined #raspberrypi[6:59]* PiBot sets mode +v codesnow[7:00]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[7:00]* jgeboski (jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) has joined #raspberrypi[7:00]* PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski[7:03]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[7:05]<hotwings> i dont plan on doing anything in my car with wifi or bluetooth.. all i need is a touchscreen, the rpi (if suitable for this), and at least one free usb port (for maintenance)[7:06]<GabrialDestruir> Ah yea, but I was answering malandro95.[7:06]<malandro95> vnc would work[7:06]<malandro95> but I think that a cable might be nice[7:06]<malandro95> either way, I'm excited[7:06]<GabrialDestruir> Cable would be faster if you could get it to work right.[7:06]<malandro95> It will be like Christmas in 30 days (or so)[7:07]<GabrialDestruir> But since the Nook has no real HDMI in... it's difficult to say whether you could do it or not.[7:08]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[7:08]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) has joined #raspberrypi[7:08]* PiBot sets mode +v licess[7:08]<malandro95> nook would be less practical too.[7:08]<malandro95> i imagine video would look pretty crappy[7:09]* M4T1A5 (~m4t1a5@m4t1a5.com) has joined #raspberrypi[7:09]* PiBot sets mode +v M4T1A5[7:09]* selsinork (~0w0fj@foundation.darkvoyage.org.uk) has left #raspberrypi[7:13]* treepunch (~treepunch@c-24-6-153-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: treepunch)[7:15]<nplus> Is anyone here from Canada and place an order from http://export.farnell.com ?[7:15]<GabrialDestruir> If you could get the video to the nook it'd be fine...[7:15]<GabrialDestruir> no 1080p or even 720p[7:15]<mekas> nplus did you place an order ?[7:15]<GabrialDestruir> But otherwise it'd be fine.[7:15]* AndChat| (~AndChat@210-185-92-41.intrapower.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[7:15]<codesnow> nplus, i did[7:15]<nplus> mekas: yes, last night around 1 hour in[7:16]<mekas> Cause this is the farnel Canada version: http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=83T1943[7:16]<nplus> codesnow: do you know anything about shipping?[7:16]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) Quit (Quit: malandro95)[7:16]* ilukester (~chatzilla@pool-98-112-16-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:16]* PiBot sets mode +v ilukester[7:17]<nplus> mekas: yeah, I found that well after I had placed my order[7:17]* kaltoft (~Bo@port59.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[7:17]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) Quit ()[7:18]<codesnow> nplus, no but i'll have a surprise when they'll ship and bill the order...[7:18]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) has joined #raspberrypi[7:18]* PiBot sets mode +v licess[7:18]<codesnow> nplus, they ship via UPS and they'll charge for that[7:19]* licess (~licess@123.169.117.218) Quit (Client Quit)[7:19]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has joined #raspberrypi[7:19]* PiBot sets mode +v sdw195[7:19]* sdw195 (sdw195@unaffiliated/sdw195) has left #raspberrypi[7:19]* imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[7:19]<nplus> hmm.. i wonder which will would be cheaper in the end.. canada.newark.com or export.farnell.com[7:20]<codesnow> how much canada.newark.com charge for the shipping?[7:20]* zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:20]* PiBot sets mode +v zma[7:20]<nplus> $12 from what i've read[7:20]* zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has left #raspberrypi[7:20]* uzyn (~uzyn@cm151.epsilon34.maxonline.com.sg) Quit (Quit: Baby go boom!)[7:21]<codesnow> i'll email to Fernell to ask for the shipping costs[7:22]<nplus> 37.84+12= 49.84 + tax (14% in BC) so +6.48 = 56.32[7:22]<nplus> :/[7:23]<codesnow> it's shipping from within BC?[7:23]<codesnow> shipped*[7:24]<nplus> codesnow: i have no clue. i live in BC so i image i'll pay BC taxes[7:24]<nplus> as for shipping: Please select Canada UPS for next day delivery to all major cities in Canada, please add additional days for remote locations. All deliveries will be shipped UPS at a shipping cost of $12.00 CDN per parcel up to 50lbs. Shipments greater than 50lbs will ship ground.[7:25]<codesnow> no, you'll pay provincial taxes if it's shipped from within BC[7:25]* UnderSampled1 (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-028.nc.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[7:25]<codesnow> and you'll pay GST if it's shipped fron within Canada (5%)[7:25]* EspadaV8 (~EspadaV8@unaffiliated/espadav8) has joined #raspberrypi[7:25]* PiBot sets mode +v EspadaV8[7:26]<nplus> codesnow: BC has HST no PST/GST for what its worth[7:26]<codesnow> same thing, HST has a portion of federal and provincial in it, no?[7:27]<hotwings> i wonder if canada.newark.com will ship to the us[7:27]<nplus> hotwings: doesn't newark.com ship to the US?[7:27]<codesnow> and if the RPi is shipped from UK, there'll be customs tax...[7:28]* kdnewton (~waggy@S01060c607607263d.ok.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:28]* PiBot sets mode +v kdnewton[7:29]<DataSpree> oh cool. the people who ordered from newark and were charged a $20 shipping fee will have it refunded. it was a mistake in their system. http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273/l/for-newark-element14-customers-we-are-fixing-the-shipping-fee-error-on-raspberry-pi[7:29]<nplus> codesnow: I thought i remember reading somewhere that duties/customs where included in the price... not 100%[7:29]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[7:31]<Iota> Can we still access the RPi forum?[7:32]<Iota> Also, did anyone else get an email from Farnell about delivery date?[7:32]<nplus> Iota: i haven't[7:32]<jojo> yes, mine changed from 26/3 to 23/4 :([7:33]<Iota> Same. :([7:33]* Tube_Gardener (~shi@97-94-194-145.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi[7:33]* PiBot sets mode +v Tube_Gardener[7:33]<codesnow> nplus, yep, april 24th or something...[7:33]<codesnow> 23rd yes...[7:33]<GabrialDestruir> 16[7:34]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:34]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[7:36]<Syliss> now to find something better then the pi[7:37]<cantIntoCode> Syliss: good luck[7:37]<codesnow> Syliss, checkout FXI cotton candy... but it's not the same price...[7:37]<Syliss> lol cantIntoCode and codesnow[7:38]<Syliss> i know about fxi[7:39]<cantIntoCode> $199?[7:39]<cantIntoCode> nty[7:39]<Syliss> yeah i know[7:39]<codesnow> yep[7:39]<Syliss> stupid expensive[7:39]<nplus> codesnow: where do you see april 24th?[7:39]<rm> as I said it has a convenient shape to suggest them to shove it up their ass for this price[7:40]<cantIntoCode> that is why raspberry pi comes out on top[7:40]<jardiamj> rm lol[7:40]<codesnow> nplus, they sent an order confirmation[7:40]<Syliss> cantIntoCode: it doesn't come out on top till there are more then 0 available[7:40]<nplus> codesnow: hmm.. not sure i received one...[7:40]<cantIntoCode> hahaha. the demand is crazy[7:41]<codesnow> nplus, when did you place your order?[7:42]<nplus> an hour or so after launch[7:43]* Mavy-bnc is now known as Mavy[7:43]<cantIntoCode> so what are you guys using your pi for?[7:43]<codesnow> i did 24h ago. so you should recieve yours tomorrow[7:43]<nplus> codesnow: the invoice says: 29/02/2012 07:06[7:47]* armelf_ (~luser@80.214.9.28) has joined #raspberrypi[7:47]* PiBot sets mode +v armelf_[7:50]* customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #raspberrypi[7:50]* PiBot sets mode +v customtronics[7:51]* customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) Quit (Client Quit)[7:52]* hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) has joined #raspberrypi[7:52]* PiBot sets mode +v hjubal[7:53]* jardiamj (~jardiamj@rdbk.p2-254.molalla.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[7:54]<nplus> codesnow: I got my order acknowledgment email - but no order confirmation. "When stock is allocated to your order, we will send you a full order confirmation including prices, availability and expected delivery date." I guess I missed out on the first batch?[7:54]* curahack (~michel@sub-190-88-65ip211.rev.onenet.an) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[7:55]* DataSpree (~DataSpree@ip72-204-12-32.fv.ks.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[7:55]* reillyeon (reillyeon@jane.qotw.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:55]* PiBot sets mode +v reillyeon[7:56]<codesnow> nplus, indeed[7:56]<nplus> may I ask what your invoice timestamp was?[7:57]<nplus> just curious as to how close/far I was from getting one[7:57]* pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi[7:57]* PiBot sets mode +v pistacik[7:57]<codesnow> Date of order: 07:13:27 29/02/2012[7:57]<codesnow> it's on GMT[7:58]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[7:58]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[7:59]* jbb (~yeeb@184.105.219.149) has joined #raspberrypi[7:59]* PiBot sets mode +v jbb[7:59]<nplus> huh.. that's strange because I placed my order at 07:10:59 29/02/2012[8:00]<Aethaeryn> <+cantIntoCode> so what are you guys using your pi for? <- It's something to build that's cheaper, yet more informative, than most books.[8:00]<nplus> codesnow: was your order number earlier than 29/02/2012 07:06[8:00]<Aethaeryn> I'll wait for the second batch though while everyone here stresses out over getting it first. :-P[8:01]<codesnow> nplus, you should email them and say you didnt recieve the Order confirmation[8:01]<tero> hm any ideas when the forums are coming back?[8:02]* Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-108-198-103-249.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[8:03]<nplus> codesnow: i sent a message asking a few questions earlier today but I haven't heard back yet - i'm sure they're pretty swamped[8:03]<codesnow> yes i think so[8:03]<nplus> tero: probably sometime in the AM GMT[8:03]<nplus> they wanted to wait until people stopped hammering the servers and they wanted to get some sleep[8:05]<nplus> it's still pretty early there - 7am, i'd give them a few hours <-- not official, just a guess[8:10]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:10]* PiBot sets mode +v mikey_w[8:11]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:11]* PiBot sets mode +v mike__[8:13]* iccanobif (iccanobif@host80-122-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[8:13]* PiBot sets mode +v iccanobif[8:13]* arcticfaq (~arcticfaq@li66-22.members.linode.com) has joined #raspberrypi[8:13]* PiBot sets mode +v arcticfaq[8:15]* arcticfaq (~arcticfaq@li66-22.members.linode.com) has left #raspberrypi[8:19]* pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[8:21]<GabrialDestruir> Wassat? No more Pi?[8:21]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[8:22]<yano> they ran out[8:22]<GabrialDestruir> Good thing I got my order in early then, eh?[8:26]* Tube_Gardener (~shi@97-94-194-145.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[8:28]* TheOpenSourcerer (~alord@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com) has joined #raspberrypi[8:28]* PiBot sets mode +v TheOpenSourcerer[8:28]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[8:30]<kdnewton> Waking from my slumber to help stop the spread of disinformation: Raspberry Pi has not "run out". The point of licensing them to the 2 distributors was so they could be built to order. If you purchase a Raspberry Pi now it will be back ordered and will ship to you when it comes available.[8:31]<kdnewton> I probably should have known better than to take the bait ;)[8:31]<ilukester> kdnewton - but does this meann that the distributors can set the price?[8:32]* iccanobif (iccanobif@host80-122-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()[8:33]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:33]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[8:33]* oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[8:33]<GabrialDestruir> As far as I know, the distributors have to stick to the price they're licensed for, don't they?[8:33]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[8:34]<ilukester> Well it was looking like the US guys were going to have to pay a $20 handling fee. which then is really a big boost in price[8:35]<GabrialDestruir> That supposedly was a typo....[8:35]<GabrialDestruir> but I bet if people hadn't complained to the foundation about it.... franell would of never fixed it[8:35]<ilukester> O. okay cool. Didnt know.[8:35]<ilukester> I complained about on twitter to them, but got no reply.[8:37]* Buuyo (electrum@ieee1003.1-1988.posi.xxx) has joined #raspberrypi[8:37]* PiBot sets mode +v Buuyo[8:38]* aMunster````` (~amunster@74.122.197.60) has joined #raspberrypi[8:38]* PiBot sets mode +v aMunster`````[8:38]<hotwings> the whole allure of the rpi is its cost.. if it cant be had at their advertised price + REASONABLE shipping charges, then its no longer interesting. the hardware itself is cool but its capabilities arent all that impressive[8:39]<hotwings> in other words, they can take that $20 shipping charge and shove it[8:39]<GabrialDestruir> Indeed.[8:39]<mekas> Price + size + capabilities are at a unique point.[8:39]<mekas> + power consumption[8:39]<GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking though as time passes we'll start to see more capable Pi with the same cost[8:39]* aMunster (~amunster@74.122.197.60) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[8:39]<mekas> At least memory upgrades.[8:40]<hotwings> i would like 1GB ram but that might be asking a lot[8:40]<GabrialDestruir> Processor upgrade would be nice though too[8:41]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[8:41]* reillyeon (reillyeon@jane.qotw.net) has left #raspberrypi[8:41]<sraue> i think there will be much RPi's on ebay soon "I want to run DOS and ML on this thing. Will I have to build this environment myself? I'm not a Linux fan, and not interested in building yet another Windows machine-let!" and "Can i Get A mac OS X on it? it would be really cool" shows many ppl dont know what there runs[8:42]<kdnewton> I sure hope shipping is reasonable. I purchased (in Canada) and the "shipping and taxes" field tells me they'll determine costs when it's available to ship.[8:43]<GabrialDestruir> 1GB of ram?[8:43]<GabrialDestruir> Minecraft? :p[8:44]<hotwings> sraue - i think a lot of people are overestimating what an rpi is good for[8:44]<kdnewton> Expected delivery: May 10, 2012. Anyway, time for sleep. G'night.[8:44]* kdnewton (~waggy@S01060c607607263d.ok.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: dreams)[8:44]<hotwings> GabrialDestruir - no linux games for me. :)[8:44]<GabrialDestruir> 1GB of Ram is enough to run Minecraft >.>[8:45]<GabrialDestruir> So there's that[8:45]<hotwings> i only use linux for dvr/htpc, and fileserver[8:45]<hotwings> never touched a linux desktop[8:45]<GabrialDestruir> only need 2Mhz processing power, supposedly.[8:46]<GabrialDestruir> I'm going to use my Pi for the only thing it's apparently good for exlcuding robotics....[8:46]<GabrialDestruir> Which is apparently as a media center >.>[8:47]<GabrialDestruir> I suppose it'd work for a fileserver too[8:48]<hotwings> not if you care about speed at all :)[8:48]<oberling> yeah but only without any encryption[8:48]<oberling> + @ hotwings[8:48]<hotwings> my only interest in rpi is for a media device aswell[8:48]<Mavy> anybody thought about using it as a carpc?[8:48]<GabrialDestruir> Well my entire network is already limited to 100Mb/s anyways[8:48]<GabrialDestruir> So it's not like the rPi is outside that scope[8:49]<hotwings> your usb port is limited in bandwidth too[8:49]<oberling> i'm interested in having the oportunity to connect a big display to tiny embedded hardware ...[8:49]<hotwings> cpu counts for a fileserver too[8:49]* vin (~vincent@fsf/member/vin) has left #raspberrypi[8:49]<hotwings> that sounds cool oberling[8:50]<a5m0> hmm i just got an email from newark listing a 5/11 ship date, but they didn't say anything about "you can only order 1" since i ordered 3 for the free shipping coupon[8:50]<GabrialDestruir> It just has to be able to serve up a list of files that someone can download, doesn't it? .-.[8:50]<oberling> of course it does, GabrialDestruir :)[8:51]<GabrialDestruir> You're in the pre-order branch of ordering now, pretty sure there's no limit anymore.[8:51]<GabrialDestruir> Considering the first batch is gone[8:51]<oberling> i had a sheevaplug running for some time here... it gave me a whole lot of 6 MegaByte/s when transfering Data over ssh read from an encrypted hdd via USB[8:51]<oberling> and it had 1,2GHz in it[8:52]<oberling> when i used ftp (so unencrypted at least on transmission) it already gave me round about 9 MB/s[8:52]<GabrialDestruir> That still sounds a lot faster than what I get with windows anways .-.[8:52]<oberling> but now imagine you only have 700MHz and not a "real" Ethernetport[8:52]<oberling> hehe[8:52]<oberling> :D[8:53]<GabrialDestruir> o.O[8:53]<GabrialDestruir> Not a "real" ethernet port?[8:53]<GabrialDestruir> Then wth is it?[8:53]<weuxel> GabrialDestruir: USB-Ethernet Interface[8:53]<oberling> it's also just connected through the USB-Bus[8:53]<hotwings> oberling 6MB/sec? slow down, your hardware is going to catch on fire ;)[8:53]<oberling> hehe ;)[8:53]<GabrialDestruir> Seriously? >.<[8:53]* gmarkall (~grm08@rincewind.doc.ic.ac.uk) has left #raspberrypi[8:53]<weuxel> GabrialDestruir: yes[8:54]<Iota> I want a Raspberry Pi - Quake 3 lan party.[8:54]<GabrialDestruir> -sighs-[8:54]<hotwings> you better try quake2[8:54]<GabrialDestruir> The sacrafices that must be made....[8:54]<hotwings> quake3 might be a little much[8:54]<Aethaeryn> Wolfenstein 3D <_<[8:54]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[8:55]<Iota> Yeah, watching Ebens video on it at the moment, he says he's not happy with the framerate atm.[8:55]<weuxel> GabrialDestruir: Not a problem. You will not feel a difference[8:55]<GabrialDestruir> Framerate can be adjusted[8:55]<Iota> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mDuJuvZjI "Raspberry Pi - Quake 3 demo"[8:55]<GabrialDestruir> it can be tweaked and worked with[8:55]* danbee (~danbee@2001:470:1f09:df1:1e6f:65ff:fec1:bce4) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[8:57]<hotwings> ill be more than happy to whip eben in quake2[8:57]<hotwings> quake3[8:57]<Iota> Heh.[8:57]<hotwings> quake*[8:57]<GabrialDestruir> and plus, the framerate on the device is more than enough to play the game[8:59]<GabrialDestruir> He's running the game at max and he's getting between 10 and 40[8:59]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[8:59]* danbee (~danbee@cpc2-newt30-2-0-cust382.newt.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[8:59]* PiBot sets mode +v danbee[9:00]* gabriel9 (~quassel@92.241.143.37) has joined #raspberrypi[9:00]* PiBot sets mode +v gabriel9[9:00]* cosh (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) has joined #raspberrypi[9:00]* PiBot sets mode +v cosh[9:00]<GabrialDestruir> Lower the settings some and you could probably could a good steady 20+[9:00]* [SySteM] (~antoine@195.214.230.1) Quit (Quit: Quitte)[9:00]<GabrialDestruir> probably get a*[9:02]* adsized (~adsized@139.222.218.153) has joined #raspberrypi[9:02]* PiBot sets mode +v adsized[9:03]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[9:04]* adsized (~adsized@139.222.218.153) Quit (Client Quit)[9:05]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) has joined #raspberrypi[9:05]* PiBot sets mode +v ru55377[9:06]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:06]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[9:07]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) Quit (Client Quit)[9:10]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) has joined #raspberrypi[9:10]* PiBot sets mode +v ru55377[9:12]* diplo (~diplo@cpc1-trow1-0-0-cust13.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[9:12]* PiBot sets mode +v diplo[9:16]<rvalles> the website hasn't been restored yet :/[9:17]<GabrialDestruir> The "site" is no longer real[9:17]<GabrialDestruir> A figment of your imagination, it is.[9:17]<cantIntoCode> its static[9:17]<Byan> your mom is static[9:18]<mekas> Perhaps they don't want to be deluged with complaints.[9:18]<ShiftPlusOne> anyone know why redukt is muted?[9:20]* ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne[9:20]* ShiftPlusOne sets mode +v redukt[9:20]<GabrialDestruir> Because he did something to be muted? That or the bot missed him?[9:20]<ShiftPlusOne> !unmute redukt[9:20]<PiBot> redukt is unmuted.[9:20]* PiBot sets mode +v redukt[9:22]<Pixman> has there been an announcement of a Risc OS port for the PI?[9:22]<Pixman> I think there was a rumour[9:23]<GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for the announcment of Tron OS[9:23]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[9:23]<Pixman> at least the panda board gets a port :)[9:23]<ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, yes, RISC OS is being ported[9:24]<GabrialDestruir> I'm sure plenty of people will port things to the Pi[9:24]<GabrialDestruir> just need them more wildized[9:25]* Cru (~mindwarp@deep-thought.ircnet.de) has left #raspberrypi[9:25]<Pixman> ShiftPlusOne, nice :) tnx[9:26]<ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, http://www.riscoscode.com/Pages/Item0113.html[9:27]<ShiftPlusOne> and they've mentioned it several times on twitter[9:27]* Spikey (~chatzilla@80.71.29.65) has joined #raspberrypi[9:27]* PiBot sets mode +v Spikey[9:28]* DDave (~DDave@krsn-4d0b8cfc.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:28]* PiBot sets mode +v DDave[9:28]* DDave (~DDave@krsn-4d0b8cfc.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Changing host)[9:28]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) has joined #raspberrypi[9:28]* PiBot sets mode +v DDave[9:28]* alyosha_sql (~a@93-103-9-223.static.t-2.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:28]* PiBot sets mode +v alyosha_sql[9:29]* zinit (~zinit@89.204.181.59) has joined #raspberrypi[9:29]* PiBot sets mode +v zinit[9:29]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[9:30]<zinit> anyone found a manual for how to get a serial port on the RPi ?[9:31]* codesnow (~snow@72.53.127.167) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[9:31]<rm> anyone found a manual for how to get a RPi ?[9:31]<rm> :)[9:31]<MBS> whats an RPi?[9:31]* Zetro (~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com) Quit (Quit: End of Stream)[9:32]* Snowl (~Snowl@119-18-16-45.cust.aussiebb.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:32]* PiBot sets mode +v Snowl[9:32]<zinit> raspberry pi[9:32]* Zetro (~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[9:32]* PiBot sets mode +v Zetro[9:32]<GabrialDestruir> Wassat? rPi sold out?[9:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> anyone got a rpi[9:33]<zinit> long delivery time now it seems... was sold out after 2 hours:P[9:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> 7mins[9:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> the RS statment is informative[9:33]<GabrialDestruir> Good thing I got my order in early.[9:33]<GabrialDestruir> ^_^[9:33]<rob_> what's the shortest delivery time people have heard of?[9:33]<rob_> mine comes on 12/03[9:33]<zinit> uk/ireland was aparently 2 hours I heard.. (sites went down so took ages to get it ordered)[9:34]<hbro> MBS: lol you're in the raspberrypi channel, and you 're asking what an rpi is? :D[9:34]<GabrialDestruir> Outside the UK, or inside?[9:34]<zinit> mine was estimated to 16/04 at the latest[9:34]<rob_> inside[9:34]<MBS> whats a channel[9:34]<GabrialDestruir> apparently UK customers are getting top priority[9:34]<zinit> I'm in ireland[9:34]<hbro> lol[9:34]<RaTTuS|BIG> zinit mine is 16 april[9:34]<zinit> ordered from the uk shop. the ireland one was down[9:35]<GabrialDestruir> because mine is 4/16 and so are a few others, but there have been claims of people with orders later than mine[9:35]<GabrialDestruir> of like March[9:35]<zinit> same for mine[9:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.electrocomponents.com/media/press-releases/2012/02/29th/[9:35]<rob_> i saw one which was 12/10[9:35]<zinit> they stopped taking orders here around 11.am[9:35]<MBS> wow[9:35]<zinit> now its just the "show interest"[9:35]<MBS> mine is expecting may 11th :|[9:35]<rm> rob_, 12 march really?[9:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> got mine in at about 8:15 yesternay mornign[9:35]<oberling> mine has not yet a delivery date ;) - at least not online... just the woman on the farnell phone told me about end of march ...[9:35]<zinit> I ordered mine at 8.am yesterday[9:35]<MBS> if i see one go on ebay for less than 75 or so will cancel this order and just get that[9:36]<oberling> nothing shure[9:36]<rob_> rm: yeah 12 days baby![9:36]<zinit> dont buy on ebay[9:36]<rob_> zinit: me too, 8:15[9:36]<MBS> zinit, why not?[9:36]<zinit> its most likly hoaxes[9:36]<rm> because your wait will be even longer[9:36]<MBS> well not now, but when people actually get them[9:36]<rm> ebay resellers are in the same line as everyone else[9:36]<oberling> have you read everythin in the offer properly, MBS?[9:36]<zinit> there was 2 ads out at 5.am yesterday morning... release was at 6[9:36]<mekas> RS expects to receive the first batch of boards into warehouses late next week, with the shipping of products on a first come, first served basis in line with customer registrations.[9:36]<rm> except they have to wait for multi-orders to open[9:36]<MBS> wont pay for a preorder on ebay, but im sure some people will actually receive and then sell[9:37]<abaxas> who cares[9:37]<abaxas> order one[9:37]* kiefer is now known as kieferz[9:37]<abaxas> infact no[9:37]<abaxas> order 2[9:37]<oberling> yeah of course - if people got them and figure out they bought - to them - useless hardware i will be on ebay too :D[9:37]<abaxas> one from farnell, one from RS (when they alloow you)[9:37]<zinit> saw one was up for 900? on ebay last night:P[9:37]<MBS> cuz right now, having to wait 2.5 months is kinda....[9:37]<abaxas> sell the other for what you paid[9:37]<abaxas> job done.[9:37]<rm> MBS, sure, let's hope someone orders 100pcs and then resells on ebay or wherever with more sane shipping options than what Farnell offers (or even local pick up)[9:37]<rm> that'd be ok[9:37]<zinit> farnell had a one-per-order policy[9:37]<zinit> I tried ordering 2. it said one was max[9:38]<rm> they're going to lift it in a month[9:38]<MBS> yeah newark does too[9:38]* RaTTuS|BIG has to install win7 on 10 PC's today[9:38]<zinit> nice:)[9:38]<MBS> wonder how many orders have been placed so far[9:38]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.electrocomponents.com/media/press-releases/2012/02/29th/[9:39]<GabrialDestruir> I think at this point[9:39]<zinit> probably alot... heard that farnells ordering system was begging for mercy yesterday.. thats why they stopped the pre-order[9:39]<RaTTuS|BIG> tens of tousands on rs[9:39]<GabrialDestruir> er wait[9:39]<GabrialDestruir> someone else earlier said they got 3[9:39]<zinit> first batch was 10k[9:39]<MBS> you can order more[9:39]<popey> if you order multiple RPi from Farnell, they silently change your order down to 1[9:39]<MBS> but they supposedly send you an email tell you about 1 limit[9:39]<popey> there was no mail about the limit, it just confirmed I'd ordered 1[9:39]<MBS> wonder how low some will sell for on ebay[9:40]<zinit> I got a popup saying 1 was max when I was going to confirm the order[9:41]* kism3t (~kism3t@client-86-25-193-8.bsh-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:41]* PiBot sets mode +v kism3t[9:41]<RaTTuS|BIG> !w[9:41]<PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Mar 1 07:50:00 2012. Temp 6??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 12??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[9:41]<GabrialDestruir> !w[9:41]<GabrialDestruir> >.>[9:41]<GabrialDestruir> No?[9:41]<RaTTuS|BIG> had a shed delviered yesterday - have to build it before teh weekend ....[9:42]<GabrialDestruir> Okay then[9:42]<RaTTuS|BIG> GabrialDestruir you have to tell the bot where you are .,.,., I cannot remeber how now[9:42]<GabrialDestruir> !w California[9:42]<PiBot> Not found.[9:42]<RaTTuS|BIG> let me see[9:42]<GabrialDestruir> xD[9:42]<GabrialDestruir> !w Mojave, California[9:42]<PiBot> GabrialDestruir: in Mojave, CA on Thu Mar 1 08:15:00 2012. Temp 45??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 66%, Later 50??F - 34??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[9:42]<Snowl> !w Melbourne, Australia[9:42]<PiBot> Snowl: in Melbourne, VIC on Fri Mar 2 00:04:00 2012. Temp 61??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 94%, Later 72??F - 59??F. Condition: Cloudy.[9:43]* dieKristina (~Krissi@dslb-188-101-188-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:43]* PiBot sets mode +v dieKristina[9:43]<zinit> !w Dublin, Ireland[9:43]<PiBot> zinit: in Dublin, County Dublin on Thu Mar 1 08:00:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 54??F - 46??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[9:43]<GabrialDestruir> !w Hell[9:43]<PiBot> Not found.[9:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> sort of !weather_set[9:43]<GabrialDestruir> !w Hell, Michigan[9:43]<PiBot> GabrialDestruir: in Hell, MI on Thu Mar 1 08:14:00 2012. Temp 34??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 92%, Later 43??F - 30??F. Condition: Chance of Snow Showers.[9:43]<GabrialDestruir> Wow...[9:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> snow in hell[9:43]<GabrialDestruir> Sounds like Hell's about to freeze over >.>[9:43]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[9:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> look like we get our RPis todsay them[9:44]<abaxas> !hamster[9:44]<zinit> 50 degrees F ? whats that in celcius?[9:44]<GabrialDestruir> If only it were that easy.[9:44]<zinit> its 10 degrees C here[9:44]<abaxas> !w[9:44]* RaTTuS|BIG slaps LuPuS|BIG[9:44]<zinit> and its 8.43.am[9:44]<abaxas> sun not out?[9:44]<zinit> yes[9:44]<abaxas> North Pennines here (uk) and it's lovely[9:45]<GabrialDestruir> Oh come on.... so close to playing Revelations .-.[9:45]* abaxas looks in garage, remembers he has a lotus elise and smiles[9:45]<zinit> sunny here for a change. been raining like hell for the last few weeks[9:45]* MBS steals abaxas lotus[9:45]* ilukester (~chatzilla@pool-98-112-16-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[9:45]* oberling joins MBS [9:46]<chrisjunkie> I ordered from nz element 14 and was able to pay for 2[9:46]<chrisjunkie> and still have 2 showing on my order summary page[9:46]<zinit> lucky:)[9:46]<oberling> and do you have a delivery date showing in your summary?[9:46]* abaxas reminds everyone it only has two seats [9:47]<oberling> well that's enough for MBS and me :P[9:47]<GabrialDestruir> ONLY TWO SEATS?[9:47]<GabrialDestruir> NOOOOOOOOOOOO[9:47]<abaxas> you can have the boot[9:47]<MBS> no no no[9:47]<MBS> thats where the dead hookers go[9:47]<GabrialDestruir> Screw that, I'm driving![9:47]* dieKristina (~Krissi@dslb-188-101-188-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #raspberrypi[9:48]* joeka (~joe@dslb-188-104-207-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:48]* PiBot sets mode +v joeka[9:48]* oberling rethinks if it was clever to join MBS [9:48]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, When did you order them?[9:48]<zinit> gonna be interesting to see if I can find a way to hook up a serial link to the card when I get it... dont have any monitor with HDMI.... only have laptops at my house for the moment[9:49]<RaTTuS|BIG> tou can ssh into it[9:49]<oberling> and which monitor do you plan to connect via serial? ;)[9:49]<GabrialDestruir> Couldn't you hook serial to GPIO?[9:49]<RaTTuS|BIG> you*[9:49]<zinit> hope the new monitors we'r getting at work have hdmi...[9:49]<zinit> you need to configure it..[9:49]<zinit> got a pinout?[9:49]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: this morning NZDT[9:49]<GabrialDestruir> No[9:49]<chrisjunkie> so about 2000UTC[9:49]<zinit> havent been able to find a sensible one...[9:49]<[deXter]> O.o[9:50]<GabrialDestruir> as far as I know, a proper one doesn't exist yet[9:50]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Im from NZ.. checked e14 yesterday night and it said to wait for a month.[9:50]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: yeah same, could still place in cart and order and pay for it though[9:50]<zinit> the card doesnt have a serial port chip. so takes an addon board with that[9:51]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Awesome. Any ETAs yet?[9:51]<zinit> (at least thats what I've been able to find out)[9:52]<GabrialDestruir> Oh come off it....[9:52]<GabrialDestruir> now Steam is just teasing me[9:52]<GabrialDestruir> -.-[9:54]<zinit> hdmi >> dvi converters are about 10? at farnell... think I'll check RC next time I'mm in the city center... (they got a shop there...)[9:54]<zinit> called the shop on monday, they wont get the cards in till june or so. (hence I ordered online)[9:55]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: http://www.chriswiggins.co.nz/images/raspberrypi.png[9:57]<zinit> WOW... 48$ each???[9:57]<GabrialDestruir> I hate how every steam game feels like it needs to install directx and .net and everything[9:57]<chrisjunkie> zinit: New Zealand Dollars[9:57]<chrisjunkie> which is pretty good considering[9:57]<zinit> how much is that in euros?[9:58]<zinit> you get about 1,5 US$ on the euro[9:58]<chrisjunkie> zinit: http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=48&From=NZD&To=EUR[9:58]<GabrialDestruir> 96 New Zealand dollars = 60.1577 euros[9:58]<RaTTuS|BIG> 1 / 1.6[9:58]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Are you *the* Chris Wiggins from WLUG?[9:58]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: HAHAHA yes[9:58]<chrisjunkie> LONG time ago I was ther[9:58]<chrisjunkie> **there[9:58]<zinit> not that bad then[9:58]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Awesome, nice to meet you in person![9:58]<[deXter]> Well, atleast on IRC. :P[9:58]<chrisjunkie> heh[9:59]* chrisjunkie offers a virtual hand to shake[9:59]* RaTTuS|BIG just gives out ebeers to all[9:59]* [deXter] shakes hands with chrisjunkie [9:59]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[9:59]<[deXter]> Yay, time to Partay![9:59]<chrisjunkie> haha how on earth did you read about me, I have like 2 pages there[9:59]<chrisjunkie> must delete :P[10:00]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Well I came across you when I was looking up MythTV stuff.[10:00]<[deXter]> I think.[10:00]* Milos (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[10:00]* PiBot sets mode +v Milos[10:00]<Milos> PiBot.[10:00]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: yeah I actually am using an ATV2 now with XBMC and trialling streaming from mythtv[10:00]<GabrialDestruir> Dude! We need a PiBot ran on Pi >.>[10:01]<chrisjunkie> but I digress[10:01]* BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) has joined #raspberrypi[10:01]* PiBot sets mode +v BCMM[10:01]* iampat (~ian@122-58-197-62.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[10:01]* PiBot sets mode +v iampat[10:01]<chrisjunkie> Be better to use a rpi for that[10:01]<[deXter]> heh[10:01]<RaTTuS|BIG> ^ it will when he has one[10:01]<[deXter]> One of the reasons why I'm interested in rPi - XBMC. :)[10:01]<Milos> I wonder when I'll get mine.[10:02]<RaTTuS|BIG> one of the bots runs in a RPi emulator IIRC[10:02]<chrisjunkie> oh hey Milos[10:02]<chrisjunkie> :P[10:02]<Milos> ello[10:02]<RaTTuS|BIG> Milos - check your email if youve orderd[10:02]<Milos> I did[10:02]<Milos> I got a confirmation and stuff[10:02]<RaTTuS|BIG> date...[10:03]<Milos> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/rp.png[10:03]<Milos> that's what it says.[10:03]<[deXter]> Oh wow, another Kiwi? :)[10:03]<iampat> also me[10:03]<Milos> well I know chrisjunkie and iampat[10:04]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: yeah, told them on the #ualug channel haha[10:04]* g00p (~77yy@cpc1-stav10-0-0-cust101.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()[10:04]<[deXter]> Ah well I'd join but I didn't go to UoA. :P[10:04]<Milos> what another kiwi?[10:04]<[deXter]> iampat, Don't tell me you payed for your Pi as well?[10:05]<Milos> he didn't[10:05]<Milos> well not yet anyway[10:05]<chrisjunkie> http://www.chriswiggins.co.nz/images/raspberrypi2.png[10:05]<iampat> I will have to wait for the next batch[10:06]<[deXter]> Same.[10:06]<chrisjunkie> why?[10:06]<chrisjunkie> http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185[10:06]<chrisjunkie> add to cart and go[10:06]<chrisjunkie> what I did[10:06]* Kostic (~Kostic@net232-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has joined #raspberrypi[10:06]* PiBot sets mode +v Kostic[10:06]<Snowl> 146 delivered in 36 days >:|[10:06]<[deXter]> Well it always showed me to register my interest. Yesterday night and now as well.[10:06]<Snowl> not very much for aus+nz[10:07]<Milos> what do you mean 146 'delivered'[10:07]<Snowl> [deXter]: You need to log in[10:07]<[deXter]> Oh? O.o[10:07]<Milos> [deXter], SAME[10:07]<chrisjunkie> Snowl: why? I'm not[10:07]<iampat> its still gunna be the second batch though[10:07]<Snowl> then it will let you pre-order[10:07]<Milos> I raged at rawspberrypi because of that[10:07]<Milos> really really raged at them[10:07]<Milos> well, depends on your definition of rage[10:07]<[deXter]> Snowl, Wait; I'm already logged in. :/[10:07]* Kostic (~Kostic@net232-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has left #raspberrypi[10:07]<Snowl> chrisjunkie: it shows the buy button when logged in if you cant see it[10:07]<Snowl> oh[10:07]<Milos> this is mine https://twitter.com/#!/milosivanovic/status/174740483090821120[10:07]<zinit> time to get some work done:P[10:07]<chrisjunkie> oh right[10:07]<chrisjunkie> it does too[10:07]<chrisjunkie> heh[10:07]<chrisjunkie> nice[10:07]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Got a direct link to the page where you add it to the cart?[10:08]<Milos> [deXter], yeah he linked it didn't he[10:08]<MBS> Snowl, better than waiting 75 days :([10:08]<Snowl> [deXter]: Can you order from australia?[10:08]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: create an account, then use that link[10:08]* JonSeals (~Jon@99-158-225-217.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:08]* PiBot sets mode +v JonSeals[10:08]<Milos> http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185 works for me without an account[10:08]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, What link?[10:08]<chrisjunkie> Milos: is there a buy button?[10:08]* zinit (~zinit@89.204.181.59) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[10:08]<MBS> wow converted from months to days makes me even sadder :([10:08]<[deXter]> loh wait[10:08]<Milos> chrisjunkie, yup[10:09]<MBS> anyone in AUS/EU getting one before april 15th want to sell theirs?[10:09]<chrisjunkie> Milos: open a private browsing session then see[10:09]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@cpe-70-124-1-56.rgv.res.rr.com) Quit ()[10:09]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, Yep, no add to cart thing there. Just a link to register my interest.[10:09]<Snowl> when i ordered one from element it sent me an email "1 Scheduled will Ship: 01 Mar 2012"[10:09]* DJWillis (djwillis@cpc1-bath5-2-0-cust122.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:09]<Snowl> but it was backordered :([10:09]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: yeah so create an account then the buy button should come up next to qty[10:09]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, I did already..[10:09]<Milos> chrisjunkie, lol buy button disappears but everything else is the same and anyway it says 'log in' but I guess it has my username ookie[10:09]* DJWillis (djwillis@cpc1-bath5-2-0-cust122.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[10:09]* PiBot sets mode +v DJWillis[10:09]<Snowl> [deXter]: go here http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185[10:10]<Snowl> then go to the nz one[10:10]<[deXter]> chrisjunkie, I was logged in since yesterday.. never saw a add to cart button.[10:10]<[deXter]> or a buy button[10:10]<chrisjunkie> REALLY?[10:10]<[deXter]> Yeah. :/[10:10]<Snowl> follow that ^[10:10]<chrisjunkie> Want me to pre-order one for you?[10:10]<[deXter]> Snowl, I did, redirects me to the Register Your Interest page.[10:10]<Snowl> :S[10:10]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185[10:11]<chrisjunkie> damn[10:11]<chrisjunkie> sucks[10:11]<[deXter]> Yep, nothing on that page either.[10:11]<MBS> when ordered from nz one, what day does it show on order status day[10:11]<MBS> mine shows 11 May 2012[10:11]<MBS> well mine is USA[10:11]* koaschten (~koaschten@p5B3A6A6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:11]* PiBot sets mode +v koaschten[10:12]<MBS> would it ship faster if ordered in another country?[10:12]<Snowl> no[10:12]<chrisjunkie> Milos: do you still have any in your cart?[10:12]<MBS> damn[10:12]<Milos> no why would I have more in my cart[10:12]<chrisjunkie> I had 2 in my cart (I bought on a different PC) and now that I have removed from my cart I can't buy![10:12]<weuxel> !ticker[10:12]<PiBot> weuxel: Maybe you should check to see what www.raspberrypi.org has to say?[10:13]<Milos> ...[10:13]<Milos> !tocker[10:13]<MBS> when rs-online gets them in stock, will they be selling internationally?[10:13]<chrisjunkie> That's so weird[10:13]<chrisjunkie> I cant see the buy button anymore haha[10:14]<MBS> We are expecting to receive our first deliveries very shortly, so will be in touch soon with ordering instructions[10:14]<MBS> im assuming rs hasnt actually sold any yet?[10:14]<rm> MBS, correct[10:14]<chrisjunkie> nope now I can again[10:14]<chrisjunkie> in a different browser not logged in[10:15]* SLFCore (~SLFCore@unaffiliated/slfcore) has joined #raspberrypi[10:15]* PiBot sets mode +v SLFCore[10:15]<chrisjunkie> why are people voiced on entry?[10:15]<chrisjunkie> is +m on?[10:15]<Milos> yes[10:15]<chrisjunkie> wtf is the point in that[10:15]<Milos> so abusers can be blocked off..[10:16]<haltdef> that's what +b is for[10:16]<chrisjunkie> heh yeah but come on :P[10:16]<MBS> hmm, see that rs-online ships internationally, but might have to call them to do it[10:16]<chrisjunkie> haltdef: yeah exactly[10:16]<SLFCore> greetings[10:16]<Snowl> or +q[10:16]<haltdef> speaking of stupid things, has anyone tried win8 beta? :P[10:16]<SLFCore> just ordered my rasp pi few hours ago[10:17]<weuxel> SLFCore: where?[10:17]<Snowl> haltdef: oh god[10:17]<SLFCore> hold on[10:17]<RaTTuS|BIG> SLFCore no just moving to W7 here[10:17]<chrisjunkie> how has anyone not played with the dev preview[10:18]<RaTTuS|BIG> I mena haltdef[10:18]<chrisjunkie> or has consumer changed heaps?[10:18]<haltdef> someone forgot to tell microsoft that not many people have touchscreens[10:18]<chrisjunkie> http://www.chriswiggins.co.nz/images/raspberrypi3.png[10:18]<SLFCore> weuxel: here you go - http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943[10:18]<SLFCore> bought it from there[10:18]<haltdef> touchscreen didn't even work on my umpc being resistive, works natively on win7[10:19]<Milos> what's umpc[10:19]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@ilrt-it005663.ilrt.bris.ac.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[10:19]* PiBot sets mode +v MikeJ1971[10:19]<haltdef> hope to god the start menu comes back in rtm, can't be doing with that metro nonsense[10:19]<haltdef> ultra mobile pc[10:19]<drazyl> metro is teh futurez[10:19]<Milos> ic[10:20]<chrisjunkie> The start menu is horrible[10:20]<Snowl> metro is the worst ui i have used, it may be excellent for tablets, but for computers? no.[10:20]<Milos> there basically isn't a start menu[10:20]<chrisjunkie> do what apple are doing and keep desktop and tablet different[10:20]<haltdef> there is, it's just a fullscreen monostrocity[10:20]<drazyl> that would be the sane option[10:21]<chrisjunkie> tempted to order another 2 raspi haha[10:21]<Hourd> metro++[10:21]<[deXter]> I think Win 8 is a good sign for the open-source community.[10:22]<Hourd> don't 'apps' have to be signed?[10:22]<chrisjunkie> yeah, people thinking fuck this move to linux? heh[10:22]<[deXter]> That and..[10:22]* chrisjunkie means *fudge[10:22]<[deXter]> They say imitation is the highest form of flattery[10:22]<[deXter]> Just look at the number of features Win 8 copied from major distros.[10:22]<chrisjunkie> I dunno, I think windows will always be dominant[10:22]<chrisjunkie> just look at corporates[10:22]<chrisjunkie> its TOO HARD to move[10:23]<[deXter]> Well the corporate scene is different.[10:23]<[deXter]> I bet you they'll run XP past 2014 if they can.[10:23]<chrisjunkie> [deXter]: yes, and it is HUGE[10:23]<Snowl> the only good part about windows 8 is that it has an ARM version, and that this should help boost linux[10:23]* chrisjunkie goes to bed. Late night trying to get to e14 last night[10:23]<[deXter]> Same. :)[10:23]<haltdef> win8 on ARM is just pointless[10:24]<haltdef> not emulating x86 is reasonable, not being able to port x86 apps? fuck off MS[10:24]<[deXter]> Yeah, it's about as useful as a Windows Phone.[10:24]<[deXter]> It's only Windows in name, thats all.[10:24]<SLFCore> why is there discussion about Windows when this is a Raspberry Pi channel?[10:25]<[deXter]> SLFCore, Because everyone is tired talking about not being able to order a Pi.[10:25]<MBS> haltdef, worse, no native ARM programs at all anyway[10:25]<MBS> everything interpreted[10:25]<MBS> well at least by default[10:25]<haltdef> nothin wrong with a bit of offtopic once in a while[10:25]<ShiftPlusOne> SLFCore, because this channel turned into a channel where people just come to rant about things they don't like, it seems.[10:25]<haltdef> especially once ontopic is so infuriating :P[10:25]<SLFCore> deXter: I ordered mine 8 hours ago and you can still order from Newmark.com[10:26]<[deXter]> SLFCore, Great, and when would you expect delivery? Next year?[10:26]<SLFCore> ShiftPlusOne: lol.. i do acknowledge that the marketing was fail[10:26]<SLFCore> deXter: within 30 days they said even after $20 shipping[10:26]<[deXter]> O.o[10:26]<SLFCore> deXter: did you order?[10:27]<[deXter]> SLFCore, Got a link to the ordering page? Cant' find anything on newmark.com[10:27]<SLFCore> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943[10:27]<SLFCore> there you go[10:27]<[deXter]> Ah, it's newark; I was trying newmark. :P[10:27]<RaTTuS|BIG> dexter fail[10:27]<SLFCore> hahaha[10:27]<[deXter]> RaTTuS|BIG, You mean SLFCore fail. :P[10:28]<[deXter]> <SLFCore> deXter: I ordered mine 8 hours ago and you can still order from Newmark.com[10:28]* wiiguy (~fake@dhcp-077-249-161-109.chello.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[10:28]* PiBot sets mode +v wiiguy[10:28]* jzaw (~jzaw@macbook.dzki.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[10:28]* PiBot sets mode +v jzaw[10:28]* wiiguy (~fake@dhcp-077-249-161-109.chello.nl) Quit (Changing host)[10:28]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) has joined #raspberrypi[10:28]* PiBot sets mode +v wiiguy[10:28]<SLFCore> oh sorry about the typo[10:28]<[deXter]> Anyways, I went to the page and it says "Further stock expected to ship Mar 31, 2012"[10:28]<RaTTuS|BIG> today I'm slow and in need of coffee I should stop typing[10:28]<SLFCore> you should have ordered 8 hours ago lol[10:29]<RaTTuS|BIG> go ahead and order - then they will ramp up production[10:29]<[deXter]> Well, atleast there's a Buy button and that's a sight for sore eyes.[10:29]* cantIntoCode (~paulforde@cpc2-cowc4-0-0-cust332.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[10:29]<SLFCore> but there is a problem[10:30]<[deXter]> ?[10:30]<SLFCore> the Raspberry Pi needs a Micro B USB cable for power[10:30]<SLFCore> they don't provide that[10:30]<[deXter]> Ah, that's all good[10:30]<SLFCore> i ordered that separately off ebay[10:30]<[deXter]> I have plenty of those lying around. :)[10:30]<haltdef> .. ebay?[10:30]<SLFCore> they are just giving you the PCB board[10:30]<haltdef> I'd cancel that immediately[10:30]<ShiftPlusOne> haltdef, he's talking about a usb cable[10:30]<[deXter]> haltdef, Um, he just ordered the microUSB cable..[10:30]<SLFCore> haltdef: why is that?[10:30]<haltdef> not psu itself?[10:31]* tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl20-130-170.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:31]<SLFCore> haltdef: lmao[10:31]<haltdef> heard some horror stories about ebay power supplies[10:31]<haltdef> :([10:31]<Ben64> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=4868&seq=1&format=2[10:31]<Ben64> $0.81[10:31]<SLFCore> Ben64: awesome but i'm not in US nor EU[10:32]<Ben64> oh[10:32]<Snowl> Any place to get those cables for the AU?[10:32]<neofutur> is there somewhere a list of countries where the pi can be shipped ?[10:32]<mekas> ebay.au ?[10:32]<RaTTuS|BIG> neofutur all placves[10:32]<SLFCore> neofutur: everywhere[10:32]<Snowl> does it need to be a micro B USB or can it just be any micro usb?[10:33]<SLFCore> neofutur: check out newark.com in my opinion[10:33]<neofutur> I already registered on 2 websites whou cant ship to Peru[10:33]<SLFCore> Snowl: MICRO B USB[10:33]<SLFCore> not any[10:33]<Snowl> ok[10:33]<neofutur> ok will try this one[10:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> look on amazon[10:33]<mekas> neofurur are you one of those people that thought 'worldwide' meant the whole world ?[10:34]<SLFCore> neofutur: did you register on Farnell or RS Components?[10:34]<Ben64> neofutur: i'll be getting at least two pi's, if you want one[10:34]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.farnell.com/[10:34]<SLFCore> true even i might sell one of my Pi's[10:34]<SLFCore> for $100[10:34]<SLFCore> joking lol[10:34]<Ben64> wanker[10:35]<Ben64> i'd sell mine for cost + shipping[10:35]<[deXter]> Ok SLFCore, I'm hitting the "Buy" button. @everyone: If you know of a site that can do better than March 31, now's the time to stop me! lol[10:35]<Snowl> ordering micro b from mono price, shipping: 35 dolloars[10:35]<lennard> I just had a report from someone farnell only wanted to ship 1 unit[10:35]<Snowl> >:|[10:35]<SLFCore> im giving this for charity donation with all the Khan Academy Videos[10:35]<lennard> so something went right there :)[10:35]<Ben64> Snowl: to where?![10:35]<Snowl> australia[10:35]<Snowl> lol[10:35]<Ben64> oh.[10:35]* themArt (57c2a27e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.162.126) has joined #raspberrypi[10:35]* PiBot sets mode +v themArt[10:35]<Ben64> well that still seems excessive[10:36]<[deXter]> Snowl, just get it from eBay. Pretty sure there's an auzzie seller you can buy from.[10:36]<SLFCore> deXter: I too was very desperate to buy them, they charged my $20 for the shipping and now atleast its confirmed that I will get my unit[10:36]<Snowl> yeah[10:36]<Ben64> i live close to monoprice, so i can pick stuff up there[10:36]* iampat (~ian@122-58-197-62.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has left #raspberrypi[10:37]<neofutur> nnop no shipping to Peru on element14 / newark[10:38]<Snowl> farell?[10:38]<SLFCore> neofutur: did you add to cart?[10:38]* qptain_Nemo (~qN@81.200.28.83) has joined #raspberrypi[10:38]* PiBot sets mode +v qptain_Nemo[10:39]<rm> neofutur, you can try export.farnell.com but the shipping with UPS will be really expensive ($70+)[10:39]<slide> whaaa seriously[10:39]<slide> holy lol[10:39]<rm> export.farnell.com sends to anywhere, but only via UPS[10:39]<Ben64> rm: O_O[10:40]<Ben64> maybe i should cancel my farnell order[10:40]<slide> yea can i cancel that preorder? lol[10:40]<Snowl> lol[10:40]<Ben64> raspberry pi said shipping included[10:40]<joeka> :D[10:41]<Ben64> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/174789638907637760[10:41]<RaTTuS|BIG> yes that is the price differnce between rs and farnell[10:41]<SLFCore> Newark FTW[10:42]<Ben64> so then why would it include shipping, but then charge $70 more for shipping[10:42]* Pixman (~pix@178-82-140-179.dynamic.hispeed.ch) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)[10:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> if you are wanting it UPSed accross the world that is not 'shipping'[10:43]<drazyl> because it includes local shipping not international freight[10:43]<rm> Ben64, did you order on export.farnell.com?[10:43]<slide> i did[10:43]<slide> it said shipping TBD[10:43]<rm> I see[10:43]<Ben64> rm: yep[10:43]<Ben64> also ordered on newark[10:44]<Ben64> also was interested in RS[10:44]<rm> someone was checking the UPS website yesterday, and from there they got that the cheapest option is around $70 from UK to the US[10:44]<rm> google for UPS rates[10:44]<Ben64> big companies can get better deals than people[10:44]<rm> they should have a calculator there[10:44]<ShiftPlusOne> rm, UPS from UK? What?[10:45]<rm> What what.[10:45]<ShiftPlusOne> Why on Earth would you use UPS to get something from UK? It's an overpriced US service.[10:45]<rm> ShiftPlusOne, export.farnell.com has UPS as the only shipping option, and they don't tell you the shipping price until actually have stock[10:45]<rm> ShiftPlusOne, ask Farnell[10:46]<ShiftPlusOne> that doesn't make any sense[10:46]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[10:46]<SLFCore> HEY THE HELL WITH THIS[10:46]<SLFCore> it says my expected shipping date is May 10th[10:46]<rm> which year[10:46]<SLFCore> 2012[10:46]<Snowl> rm: lold[10:46]<SLFCore> lmfao what a question[10:46]<rm> hehe[10:47]<rm> so you're getting one this year what are you complaining about :P[10:47]<SLFCore> FedEx Intl. Economy - 5 days (Order by 6:00 PM EST)[10:47]<Davespice> did you mean shipping or delivery date?[10:47]<SLFCore> Fed Ex 5 days = Gregorial Calendar 35 days[10:47]<SLFCore> it says expected Ship date[10:48]<ShiftPlusOne> Not exactly unfair though. We have to pay a lot more and much more often to get things from USA.[10:48]<slide> ok i sent them an email at export@farnell.com asking about the shipping heh[10:48]<ShiftPlusOne> but it's strange that they don't have a US distribution center[10:48]<SLFCore> its in UK[10:48]<Ben64> wow, i just looked at ups.com, 64.83 GBP for a 16x8x6cm package weighing 1kg[10:49]<[deXter]> SLFCore, Woah. Good thing I haven't confirmed the order yet. :P[10:49]<slide> uhhh $100??!?[10:49]<SLFCore> lol[10:49]<slide> lol[10:49]<Ben64> on the flip side...[10:50]<neofutur> Stocks from Raspberry Pi of the initial production quantity are limited and these have already sold out.[10:50]<neofutur> on newark(element14[10:50]<Ben64> usps.com, a 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8" box weighing up to 4 pounds costs $16.95 to send to the UK from the US[10:50]<RaTTuS|BIG> dont use parcel farce they will just loose the package[10:50]<neofutur> yesterday, not working, couldnt order[10:50]<neofutur> and now nothing[10:50]<Ben64> usps wins[10:51]<neofutur> to me the strange thing is not having a chinese distributor[10:51]<neofutur> those ship worlwide for cheap , by boat ( slow but cheap )[10:51]* M0GHY (~peterholl@188.65.96.15) has joined #raspberrypi[10:51]* PiBot sets mode +v M0GHY[10:51]<neofutur> and have working websites :p[10:52]<ShiftPlusOne> wait, what are you people on about? US Farnell is Newark, why would you use the export site? That will be free shipping.[10:52]<RaTTuS|BIG> someone was sying they dot ship to puru[10:52]<neofutur> Peru[10:52]<RaTTuS|BIG> damn keyboard[10:52]<Snowl> lol[10:53]<MBS> would export site have it shipped sooner than newark?[10:53]<RaTTuS|BIG> my exchuse[10:53]<ShiftPlusOne> MBS, I wouldn't think so. I am sure they would priorotise their own distribution network first and then worry about export.[10:53]<Ben64> nowhere is soon[10:53]<neofutur> and this newark / element14 website is really buggy[10:54]<ShiftPlusOne> never had a problem with element14[10:54]<MBS> why did they limit initial production run to 10000[10:54]<MBS> they knew they would get more orders than that[10:54]<Simon-> hrm[10:54]<steve_rox> costs[10:54]<neofutur> well i cant login, theres already a user neofutur[10:54]<Simon-> Farnell UK have lowered the price...[10:54]<neofutur> cant register, theres already a user neofutur[10:54]<ShiftPlusOne> MBS, because it costs a quarter of a million to get that many... and that's capital they have to contribute from their own pockets.[10:54]<neofutur> and cant recover account , theres no user neofutur :p[10:54]<[deXter]> neofutur, I had the same issue, so I just created a new account. :p[10:55]<steve_rox> i love websites that fuckup the accounts like that[10:55]<neofutur> I already registered 3 times[10:55]<steve_rox> dabs did that to me[10:55]<neofutur> on farnell, element14 and newark[10:55]<neofutur> lost much time for nothing[10:55]<MBS> thats what banks and venture capitalists are for :p[10:55]<neofutur> thos java websites are all sh*t[10:55]<ShiftPlusOne> MBS, you mean bloodsucking parasites?[10:56]<Ben64> they did 10k to make sure they didn't order millions of defective boards[10:56]<neofutur> and none of those websites give a list of the countries they can ship to _before_ you loose your time registering[10:56]<ShiftPlusOne> actually if they were doing their own runs, the next one would also be 10k[10:56]<ShiftPlusOne> because that's all they can afford right now[10:56]<MBS> also[10:56]<Ben64> don't think that is accurate[10:56]<MBS> they could have just let people preorder[10:57]<steve_rox> looks like someones been haxin google autocomplete , type "windows 8 is".. then see what ya get for autocomplete :-P[10:57]<Ben64> they didn't want to take people's money without having the product[10:57]<ShiftPlusOne> MBS, that's what this is... preorders.[10:57]<MBS> they could have millions and millions of capital right now if they would have let people preorder (more than one)[10:57]<[deXter]> I would have freely given them my money.[10:57]<MBS> if people are fine giving their money without having the product, then they should take it[10:58]* Buuyo (electrum@ieee1003.1-1988.posi.xxx) has left #raspberrypi[10:58]<ShiftPlusOne> MBS, yeah you're right. But they didn't want to do what OpenPandora has done.[10:58]<MBS> for example this famous historical quote: "shut up and take my money"[10:58]<ShiftPlusOne> and Eben said they don't have experience with that and it's just something they want to avoid.[10:58]<Ben64> spoken the by great phillip j fry[10:58]<Simon-> MBS: and then it's "where is my product, give me a chargeback" and it all falls apart[10:59]<drazyl> the aim of the foundation was to design and produce a board, they may not have the administrative skills (or want to be involved in) dealing with complicated accounts and stock control[11:00]* seprjpa (~uehaaoi@e181089152.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[11:00]* PiBot sets mode +v seprjpa[11:00]<drazyl> they are donating their time to this remember[11:01]<neofutur> https://mexico.newark.com/jsp/profile/register.jsp[11:01]<neofutur> Internal Server Error - Read[11:01]<neofutur> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.[11:01]<neofutur> Reference #3.e30bccc0.1330596041.e72085a[11:01]<neofutur> another java website[11:01]<neofutur> more time lost trying to order a pi[11:01]* warddr (~warddr@2a01:4f8:140:72a1::151) has joined #raspberrypi[11:01]* warddr (~warddr@2a01:4f8:140:72a1::151) Quit (Changing host)[11:01]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[11:01]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[11:01]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[11:01]<ShiftPlusOne> drazyl, nuh you've got it wrong. They don't do anything, they just vacation and lie to the media to get coverage while stuffing their pockets with money and laughing. At least that's what I've gathered by hanging out on this channel.[11:02]<Snowl> ShiftPlusOne: lold[11:02]<neofutur> 4th time i register for nothing[11:02]<Simon-> neofutur: try filling in some more of the optional fields[11:02]<drazyl> ShiftPlusOne more power to them if they manage it[11:02]<Simon-> it might be assuming they're not empty[11:02]<neofutur> I already registered and received an email[11:02]<neofutur> with a link to https://www.mexico.newark.com/jsp/profile/register.jsp[11:04]* dsjkbfal (~uehaaoi@e181092129.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:04]<neofutur> https://www.mexico.newark.com/jsp/profile/register.jsp : Server not found Firefox can't find the server at www.mexico.newark.com.[11:04]<neofutur> https://mexico.newark.com/jsp/profile/register.jsp Internal Server Error - Read[11:05]<drazyl> seems to work from here[11:06]* danbee (~danbee@cpc2-newt30-2-0-cust382.newt.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)[11:07]* paul_- (~paul@c122-106-170-224.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[11:07]* PiBot sets mode +v paul_-[11:07]* danbee (~danbee@cpc2-newt30-2-0-cust382.newt.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:07]* PiBot sets mode +v danbee[11:07]* pixolin (~pixolin@p57B830C2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:07]* PiBot sets mode +v pixolin[11:08]<neofutur> and on the english speaking website they just say :[11:08]<neofutur> Following the successful launch of Raspberry Pi Board B this morning we've seen unprecedented levels of interest in this product. Stocks from Raspberry Pi of the initial production quantity are limited and these have already sold out. For those of you who have already pre-ordered, we will let you know in the next few days when you can expect your delivery. We're working very closely with Raspberry Pi to ensure we meet the demand a[11:08]<Snowl> a[11:08]<[deXter]> Lol, unprecedented?[11:08]<[deXter]> Were they living under a rock or something?[11:08]<pixolin> oh, another annoucement? Will that be mailed again?[11:08]<neofutur> and yesterday I "registered interest" but received no email . . .[11:09]<paul_-> i'm a little confused about the registering interest one to be honest[11:09]<SLFCore> Raspberry Pi is still expensive than a Netbook lol[11:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> the RS register interest means you'll get an email later this week / early next about how to order[11:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> as I understand it[11:10]<SLFCore> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230361 vs http://www.raspberrypi.org/img/modelb_blue_label.png[11:10]<SLFCore> Netbook wins[11:11]<Ben64> $300 vs $35[11:11]<Ben64> :|[11:11]<Snowl> :\[11:11]<SLFCore> not the price[11:11]* klm[_] (milkman@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[11:11]<SLFCore> the Rasp Pi needs a lot more peripherals[11:11]<Ben64> $300 vs $35[11:11]<paul_-> slf - you are fundamentally missing the point[11:11]<SLFCore> $35 is just for the PCB board[11:11]<paul_-> begone[11:12]<SLFCore> you don't the get the SD card with it[11:12]<Hexxeh> the extras you need are cheap[11:12]<neofutur> yup. no case, no keyboard, no wifi . . .[11:12]<SLFCore> you need a good 8gb SD card for proper usage[11:12]<Ben64> $300...... vs ...... $35[11:12]<SLFCore> no keyboard, no case, no wifi[11:12]<SLFCore> I am a CNC Programmer[11:12]<Snowl> 23' Monitor is 100 dollars, keyboard, mouse and usb cable is 25 dollars. 150 vs 300[11:12]* fossrox (~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox) has joined #raspberrypi[11:12]* PiBot sets mode +v fossrox[11:12]<SLFCore> and you know how much will a case cost if it needs to be CNC'd in a factory only 1 unit though?[11:12]<drazyl> SLFCore you do understand the original intent is not to be an alternative to a desktop pc[11:12]<neofutur> and no way to order :p[11:13]<SLFCore> more that $180 easily[11:13]<Snowl> why would you need a case? it produces little heat[11:13]<fossrox> hi! :D[11:13]<Ben64> who says you need a cnc'd case[11:13]<pixolin> now, how would that compare to the price of my washing machine?[11:13]<SLFCore> drazyl: im comparing the efficiency[11:13]<drazyl> the efficiency of what? ordering extra parts from amazon?[11:13]<paul_-> slfcore this is a PG rated channel so i suspect calling you a retard would be banned, BUT you're a retard[11:13]<fossrox> SLFCore, lego like casing FTW[11:13]<SLFCore> Snowl: to keep it away from dust[11:13]<Ben64> pi wins efficiency[11:13]<Snowl> there are no moving parts...[11:13]<Ben64> $35 + whatever you want[11:13]<SLFCore> paul_: did i abuse?[11:14]<SLFCore> paul_-: am i not talking about Raspberry Pi?[11:14]<RaTTuS|BIG> eben carried his accoss the world with no case in a rucksak[11:14]<pixolin> read what he wrote[11:14]<paul_-> i think you are fundementally missing the point and target market of the raspberrypi[11:14]<paul_-> if you want a netbook, go buy a netbook[11:14]<pixolin> 1+[11:14]<paul_-> raspberrypi <> netbook[11:14]<GabrialDestruir> Gah... I'm not so sure I like Revelations....[11:14]<SLFCore> i understand the usage of raspberry pi[11:15]<GabrialDestruir> Ezio is so... old[11:15]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[11:15]<drazyl> SLFCore so why compare it with something it's not[11:15]* OdyX (~didier@145-134.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #raspberrypi[11:15]* PiBot sets mode +v OdyX[11:15]<RaTTuS|BIG> RPi is bigger than my car so my car wins[11:15]<pixolin> it's called trolling[11:15]<SLFCore> paul_-: what would be the essential accessories that you will hook your Raspberry Pi too?[11:15]<drazyl> it also compares badly to a Windows PC for playing Windows games[11:15]<drazyl> or a PS3 for playing PS3 games[11:15]<paul_-> SLFCore - My TV via HDMI[11:15]<RaTTuS|BIG> umm I fail today[11:15]<drazyl> or a ??2 calculator just for doing ums[11:15]<pixolin> and it doesn't do my laundry[11:15]* Calyp (~Calyp@unaffiliated/calyptratus-tzm) has joined #raspberrypi[11:15]* PiBot sets mode +v Calyp[11:16]<paul_-> My Car's canbus and nav display[11:16]<SLFCore> paul_-:how much would a TV Cost?[11:16]<Ben64> he already has a tv[11:16]<paul_-> seriously, begone troll[11:16]<BCMM> SLFCore: why did you get one if you don't actually like them?[11:16]<GabrialDestruir> What's the arguement about?[11:16]<GabrialDestruir> .-.[11:16]<SLFCore> BCMM: i got them for donation to charity[11:17]<Ben64> $300 netbook vs $35 r-??[11:17]<SLFCore> BCMM: i already have a few computers[11:17]<pixolin> comparison between ??, netbooks ... and washing machines[11:17]<GabrialDestruir> Wth .-.[11:17]<BCMM> ok, why did you come here to complain about it?[11:17]<GabrialDestruir> That's not a proper comparison[11:17]<GabrialDestruir> Not by a long shot .-.[11:17]<pixolin> not really[11:17]<SLFCore> who said im complaining? this is not an official channel anyway[11:17]<Ben64> yoip[11:17]<BCMM> "oh my god, these people need to realise how wrong they are!"[11:17]<drazyl> it also won't light candles as well as a 50p box of matches[11:17]<GabrialDestruir> I mean I suppose you COULD compare them....[11:18]<ShiftPlusOne> so.... if you think a raspberry pi is more expensive and comparable to a netbook... why not buy a netbook?[11:18]<SLFCore> BCMM: whats your point exactly?[11:18]<BCMM> SLFCore: more or less, it's "what's yours?"[11:18]<pixolin> "One wrong-way driver? Many!"[11:18]<GabrialDestruir> The netbook is probably Atom 1.6Ghz, 1 or 2 GB of Ram, worthless GPU[11:18]<paul_-> ShiftPlusOne: because thats rationale, and we are dealing with a retard[11:18]<SLFCore> BCMM: Good you asked me that question[11:18]<Ben64> netbook won't run on two AA batteries, therefore r-?? wins[11:18]<GabrialDestruir> The pi is.... 700mhz Arm11, 256MB of Ram.... and a seemingly decent GPU[11:19]<SLFCore> I do understand the purpose of Raspberry Pi and its capabilities and also its cost[11:19]<SLFCore> but[11:19]<pixolin> sigh[11:19]<GabrialDestruir> The Netbook comes with a battery though which depending on your netbook could last you 8 hours....[11:19]<BCMM> Ben64: will the finished product still run on 3v?[11:19]<Ben64> BCMM: i'd convert it to 5v[11:19]<GabrialDestruir> With the pi, you spend extra for the battery which may not get you 8 hours[11:19]<SLFCore> to keep it short[11:19]<SLFCore> im from a third world country (India)[11:20]<SLFCore> Electricity runs out ever 1 or 2 hours every day[11:20]<SLFCore> Rolling Blackout[11:20]<SLFCore> so it atleast needs to have a battery for offtime usage[11:20]<BCMM> Ben64: i actually have no clue about how you transform a DC voltage like that - how efficient is it?[11:20]* kalken (~default@c80-217-200-197.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[11:20]* PiBot sets mode +v kalken[11:20]<GabrialDestruir> Netbook has wifi and ethernet, pi comes with usb based ethernet....[11:20]<pixolin> is this the explanation why you only can troll for a limited time?[11:20]<Ben64> BCMM: decent[11:20]<SLFCore> I'm giving this Raspberry Pi to a school that is funded by general people[11:20]<Ben64> BCMM: it gets worse the more power draw[11:21]<GabrialDestruir> Do I need to keep up the comparisons?[11:21]<SLFCore> I'm storing them with Khan Academy Videos on Learning various stuffs[11:21]<GabrialDestruir> Oh wait last one.... Pi costs 35 dollars....[11:21]<Ben64> charging my phone kills two AAs within an hour or so, but my phone takes 1A[11:21]<GabrialDestruir> Netbook costs 300 or more[11:22]<Ben64> r-?? takes 700ma maximum on model B, so it should last a lot longer[11:22]<SLFCore> but there are many advantages of having a Netbook over a computer that has very limited storage and power supply, also its performance capabilities[11:22]<pixolin> buy a netbook then ... and get a life.[11:22]<SLFCore> i can run AutoCAD with ease on my 2 year old netbook[11:22]<SLFCore> i have both[11:23]<paul_-> SLFCore /part[11:23]<pixolin> me too, so I'm out of here. enjoy yourself, SLFCore[11:23]* pixolin (~pixolin@p57B830C2.dip.t-dialin.net) has left #raspberrypi[11:23]<GabrialDestruir> Then stop friggin trolling and get out[11:23]<jzaw> [10:21:20] <Ben64> r-?? takes 700ma maximum on model B, so it should last a lot longer[11:23]<jzaw> normal say 300Ah car battery and a small dc-dc inverter .... prob get in excess off 300hours running time ![11:23]<GabrialDestruir> Go get a netbook, we don't want your kind here![11:23]<Hourd> i'm missing the point here.... netbooks and rpi have different applications...[11:23]<jzaw> minus what the monitor uses of course[11:24]<paul_-> Hourd, you're not - we should collectively ignore the troll[11:24]<Hourd> ah ok[11:24]<GabrialDestruir> Exactly, Hourd, that IS the point.[11:24]<Ben64> jzaw: ... car batteries aren't exactly easy to carry around[11:24]<GabrialDestruir> You didn't miss it at all.[11:24]<paul_-> ignore the troll, how's the weather[11:24]<SLFCore> can i ask you #raspberrypi a question?[11:24]<Hourd> weather is very foggy here[11:24]<SLFCore> what will you be using Raspberry Pi for?[11:24]* Space_Man (~space_man@87.127.156.98) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[11:24]<Ben64> 46.9 ?F[11:25]<paul_-> nice temp[11:25]<paul_-> its hot here, i have the aircon on[11:25]* shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:25]* PiBot sets mode +v shadowe989[11:25]<BCMM> SLFCore: HTPC and some sort of electronic tinkering[11:25]<Ben64> oh, upside down land[11:25]<BCMM> not sure yet[11:25]<Ben64> winter = summer and stuff[11:25]<GabrialDestruir> !w 93501[11:25]<PiBot> GabrialDestruir: in Mojave, CA on Thu Mar 1 09:55:00 2012. Temp 41??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 70%, Later 50??F - 34??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[11:25]<paul_-> !w Sydney Australia[11:25]<PiBot> paul_-: in Sydney, NSW on Fri Mar 2 02:00:00 2012. Temp 77??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 78%, Later 88??F - 66??F. Condition: Fog.[11:25]<GabrialDestruir> It's a nice balmy 41F outside[11:25]<GabrialDestruir> ^_^[11:25]<Ben64> didn't know that did weather[11:25]<Ben64> !w 91764[11:25]<PiBot> Ben64: in Ontario, CA on Thu Mar 1 09:53:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 87%, Later 59??F - 43??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[11:26]<GabrialDestruir> Ontario?[11:26]<GabrialDestruir> Cool[11:26]<Hourd> !w worcester england[11:26]<PiBot> Hourd: in Worcester, Worcestershire on Thu Mar 1 09:50:00 2012. Temp 43??F. Condition: Fog, Humidity: 100%, Later 59??F - 41??F. Condition: Fog.[11:26]* shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) has left #raspberrypi[11:26]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: not canada :P[11:26]<Dimacus> !w sandviken sweden[11:26]<PiBot> Dimacus: in sandviken sweden. Temp 45??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 76%, Later 66??F - 36??F. Condition: Fog.[11:26]<GabrialDestruir> I know[11:26]<GabrialDestruir> I was in ontario last month xD[11:26]<Ben64> why?[11:27]<GabrialDestruir> Went to see nightwish at Universal, so stayed in Ontario for cheap motel[11:27]<jzaw> [10:25:04] <paul_-> ignore the troll, how's the weather[11:27]<jzaw> fine .... AT LAST .... getting nearly 2KW from the solar panels right now :D[11:28]* SLFCore (~SLFCore@unaffiliated/slfcore) has left #raspberrypi[11:28]<RaTTuS|BIG> !w[11:28]<PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Thu Mar 1 09:50:00 2012. Temp 9??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 12??C - 6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[11:28]<paul_-> well done kids, we got rid of the loser[11:29]<GabrialDestruir> Someone find me a 1A USB Hub, that has it's own built in battery?[11:29]<Ben64> was so silly[11:29]<GabrialDestruir> Then I could be happy[11:29]<Milos> so, who wrote pibot[11:29]<Milos> and was it from scratch or not[11:29]<Ben64> i already have a tv, usb keyboard, usb mouse, hdmi cables, power cables[11:29]<Milos> and is it running on the rasbpi[11:29]<Ben64> so all i need is the pi[11:29]<Ben64> Milhouse: someone, probably not, no[11:30]<Ben64> err.... Milos[11:30]<GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to figure out the Power Source for mine atm[11:30]<Ben64> i'm using a 2A transformer[11:30]<GabrialDestruir> I remember someone mentioning having the USB hub power the PI[11:30]* SLFCore (~SLFCore@unaffiliated/slfcore) has joined #raspberrypi[11:30]* PiBot sets mode +v SLFCore[11:30]* SLFCore (~SLFCore@unaffiliated/slfcore) has left #raspberrypi[11:30]<Ben64> put a usb connector on it[11:30]<Ben64> and bam, done[11:30]<GabrialDestruir> and because there's no data on the power side it should be unaffected[11:31]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: that'd work[11:31]<RaTTuS|BIG> get a powered USB hum and then power the PI from the Hub[11:31]<Hourd> lawl thats genious[11:31]<GabrialDestruir> and then plug the hub into the PI >.>[11:31]<Ben64> infinite usb[11:31]<RaTTuS|BIG> yes should work fine[11:31]<Hourd> tbh i might make a pi sized powerpack like the ones you can get for arduinos[11:31]<GabrialDestruir> not only does it power the pi but it serves a functional purpose beyond that[11:31]<GabrialDestruir> lol[11:32]<Ben64> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111976[11:32]<Ben64> 2.5A[11:32]* heretic_w (~314159265@host81-138-205-228.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:32]* PiBot sets mode +v heretic_w[11:33]<GabrialDestruir> On the otherhand though...[11:33]* Maroni (~user@178-165-183-133.dyn.orange.at) has joined #raspberrypi[11:33]* PiBot sets mode +v Maroni[11:33]<GabrialDestruir> It'd be nice to have something with a battery...[11:33]<Ben64> you could always mod it and add battery[11:33]<GabrialDestruir> So my pi never has down time even when it's pointlessly running xD[11:34]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:34]* PiBot sets mode +v mdavey[11:34]<mekas> Devices using batteries have more downtime than devices that plug into the wall.[11:34]<GabrialDestruir> o.O[11:34]<GabrialDestruir> Not if it's designed like a UPS[11:35]<GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could just invest 50 bucks on another UPS and dedicate it solely to my Pi[11:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> solar powered UPS[11:35]<mekas> One of the small computer vendors sells a device that makes a ups ou of a battery and plug in power supply[11:36]<Ben64> GabrialDestruir: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=09N-00AF-00010[11:36]<mekas> It just seemsly switches between the power sources when one loses power[11:36]<mdavey> Nice article on R.Pi: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/helena-gillespie/raspberry-pi-revolution_b_1311565.html[11:36]<drazyl> There's stuff llike this http://www.focalprice.com/EB186B/YSD998_5V9V12V_USB_Super_Capacity_Rechargeable_Liion_Battery_Black.html?Currency=GBP but can't see battery capacity[11:36]<GabrialDestruir> Oh[11:36]<GabrialDestruir> my lord.[11:36]<OdyX> ups for the rasbpi ? That's silly. Just make it resistant to reboots...[11:37]<GabrialDestruir> I'm in love and it's not that expensive either[11:37]* Karmaon (~john@gateway/tor-sasl/karmaon) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:37]<Ben64> resistant to robots?[11:37]<Hourd> evil pi robots you say?[11:38]* Hourd gives an evil grin[11:38]<GabrialDestruir> How exactly do you make it resistent to reboots? o.O[11:38]<mekas> http://www.mini-box.com/Y-PWR-Hot-Swap-Load-Sharing-Controller[11:38]<Ben64> give it a chainsaw[11:38]<drazyl> evil pi. that would be a quiche[11:38]<GabrialDestruir> If the power goes out without some sort of battery your pi is off...[11:38]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[11:38]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Universal-10000mAh-External-GT-P1000-GT-P1010/dp/B006WHMKEE/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330598219&sr=8-1-fkmr1[11:39]<GabrialDestruir> Gah[11:39]<Hourd> drazyl: raspberry quiche?[11:39]<GabrialDestruir> too expensive[11:39]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[11:39]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[11:40]* cerberos (~cerberos@58.137.9.242) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:40]<GabrialDestruir> Though.... 10,000 mAh...[11:40]<GabrialDestruir> that'd make one hell of a battery[11:40]* heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:41]* heymaster (~heymaster@2002:4e3d:d4bc:0:ccf:2362:875d:890d) has joined #raspberrypi[11:41]* PiBot sets mode +v heymaster[11:41]<drazyl> Aubergine Quiche, the natural enemy of the Raspberry Pi[11:41]<GabrialDestruir> I think I like ben's better.... it should get if the calculations were correct about 7 hours maybe?[11:41]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet%C2%AE-10000mAh-Dual-Port-Universal-Blackberry/dp/B006ZZPDV0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ce_1[11:43]<GabrialDestruir> I feel so ripped off... lol my ZaggSparq Cost me 100 dollars and only has 6,000 mAh[11:43]<mekas> You can buy a 12v 12,000 mAh sealed lead acid battery for $20.[11:44]* reportingsjr (~Jon@pysoy/developer/JonNeal) has left #raspberrypi[11:44]<drazyl> http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Trent-iCruiser-IMP1000-Blackberry/dp/B004CHMP50/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330598572&sr=1-5[11:46]* RaTTuS|BIG is looking at a solar powered option .,.,., for the shed[11:47]<Hourd> drazyl: lawl wrt quiche[11:47]* reiko__ (~ajhnsn@c-67-161-6-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit ()[11:49]<GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if there's a commercial solar panel product that could do a constant 1A out[11:49]* peteyg (~pyg@d205-250-124-110.bchsia.telus.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:49]<RaTTuS|BIG> no - but it can charge a lead acid battery[11:50]<jzaw> Ben64: nice ... found the same / similar thing in the uk[11:50]<jzaw> http://www.amazon.co.uk/EZOPower-International-interchangeable-Micro-USB-Retractable/dp/B006WX8I30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330598923&sr=8-1[11:50]<GabrialDestruir> Still, unless you're putting into the battery the same amount of power you're using the battery would eventually run dry[11:50]* Karmaon (~john@gateway/tor-sasl/karmaon) has joined #raspberrypi[11:50]* PiBot sets mode +v Karmaon[11:50]* peteyg (~pyg@d205-250-124-110.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:50]* PiBot sets mode +v peteyg[11:50]<jzaw> ah no its not a batt backup :([11:51]<mekas> at 4 watts for 24 hours you need 96 watt-hours/day[11:52]<fossrox> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15 <--- do you know it?[11:52]* paul_- (~paul@c122-106-170-224.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:52]<GabrialDestruir> In that case, something like http://www.amazon.co.uk/monocrystalline-solar-camper-caravan-garden/dp/B0070EBYW2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330599069&sr=1-1 should work shouldn't it?[11:52]<mekas> no[11:52]<mekas> too small[11:53]<RaTTuS|BIG> fossrox yes the allwinner is onto out yet , and that is tthe prioce of the main SOC not the rest[11:53]<mekas> only produces 5 watts and only for part of the day[11:53]<fossrox> here are specs: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/[11:53]<fossrox> thx RaTTuS|BIG, i just learned about it today[11:53]<GabrialDestruir> Oh wait, right[11:54]<GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.co.uk/monocrystalline-solar-connectors-camper-system/dp/B0070DXRD2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330599197&sr=1-1[11:54]<GabrialDestruir> That's more like it? :p[11:54]<mekas> heh yeah[11:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> there have been a bit of discussion about it on the RPi forums - but it's goiing to be a lot more expensive than you think[11:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> ^ the 12w thing is mroe like it[11:57]<GabrialDestruir> Just build a miniature nuclear reactor >.>[11:57]<GabrialDestruir> That'll do the trick[11:57]<fossrox> RaTTuS|BIG, for me price is one factor, the most important is freedom and the option to contribute ideas and effort to best solutions we choose to create :)[11:58]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:58]* ShiftPlusOne2 (~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[11:58]* PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne2[11:59]<fossrox> and i hope we can simply do it without wasting energy on things like competition, and rather together help to elove the solotuions out there[12:00]<Hourd> fossrox: =)[12:00]<GabrialDestruir> It'd be nice to see an inexpensive solar solution but alas... it is not so.[12:01]* koaschten_ (~koaschten@p5B3A65B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:01]* PiBot sets mode +v koaschten_[12:01]* ShiftPlusOne (~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:02]* winocm (~winocm@108.211.106.127) has joined #raspberrypi[12:02]* winocm (~winocm@108.211.106.127) Quit (Changing host)[12:02]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) has joined #raspberrypi[12:02]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[12:02]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[12:03]<GabrialDestruir> I'm going to bed.... it's 3am... lol[12:03]<mekas> goodnight[12:03]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:03]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[12:03]<drazyl> http://www.mamod.co.uk/product_view_details.asp?pids=4&pr=1335D%20SP5%20Twin%20Cylinder%20Stationary%20Engine[12:03]<tntexplosivesltd> it's 12:02 am here, and the neighbours next door are damn loud =([12:04]* koaschten (~koaschten@p5B3A6A6B.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[12:04]<nuil> the rpi b needs 5v @ 1A?[12:05]<Ben64> 700ma[12:05]<mjr> 700mA should do it, but 1A is good, you have a little power for low-power USB peripherals[12:05]<fossrox> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17190918 Rasberry Pi hits the mainstream media :D[12:06]<nuil> in maximum also 5V @ 1.7A (With both usb ports max.)[12:06]* victhor (~victhor@177.17.104.213) has joined #raspberrypi[12:06]* PiBot sets mode +v victhor[12:06]<mekas> I would get a 1A power supply to provide a buffer and to help the power supply last longer[12:06]<mjr> nuil, I've been told (on this channel) that it won't take more than 1A in.[12:06]<nuil> mjr: yea, for the pi itself[12:06]<mjr> don't know if this is God's word but so it has been said[12:07]<nuil> mjr: but, a standard usb port needs 500mA, 5V[12:07]<mjr> No it doesn't. It needs 100mA. More than that is negotiable.[12:08]* CasperN (~casper@81-233-58-70-no71.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[12:08]* PiBot sets mode +v CasperN[12:08]<mekas> Yes by default it has to provide 100ma[12:08]<mekas> You can ask it for more[12:08]<mekas> But the request can be ignored[12:08]<Davespice> fossrox, Rory Cellan-Jones has been banging on about the Raspberry Pi for about six months :)[12:08]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[12:08]* PiBot sets mode +v Hopsy[12:08]<Davespice> been all over Radio 4 and everything with it[12:09]* codesnow (~snow@72.53.127.167) has joined #raspberrypi[12:09]* PiBot sets mode +v codesnow[12:09]<nuil> mekas: so 700mA max, and definatly a usb hub to provide 500mA each[12:09]<neofutur> mekas there are cheap solar devices[12:09]<neofutur> i dont have it in english but http://www.zone-ecolo.com/panneau-solaire-mobile.php[12:09]<neofutur> 1,2W, 6V, 200mAh[12:09]<neofutur> 30 eur[12:09]<jojo> beta boards have a 750mA input fuse, and 140mA on each usb out[12:10]<neofutur> and if you find chinese manufacturers you can find better[12:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk[12:11]<nuil> http://www.amazon.de/August-SPC-1500-Ersatzakku-Taschenlampe/dp/B003076OQE/ref=pd_cp_ce_3[12:11]<mekas> That's hillarious RaTTuS[12:11]<nuil> 10??? 500mA[12:12]<nuil> including battery[12:12]<nuil> http://www.amazon.de/Aurora-Solarladeger%C3%A4te-Handys-iPhone-MP3-Player/dp/B0049U3GQC/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t[12:12]<nuil> 800mAh[12:13]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002128037189.mbb.telenor.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[12:13]* PiBot sets mode +v lars_t_h[12:13]* codesnow (~snow@72.53.127.167) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[12:13]<nuil> enough for at least model a[12:13]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:15]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[12:15]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[12:19]<Bellagio> Julie Guillou[12:19]* 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(~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[12:38]<steve_rox> seems so called windows 8 is looking like a joke[12:38]* Snowl (~Snowl@119-18-16-45.cust.aussiebb.net) Quit ()[12:38]* des2 (~des2@pool-96-232-67-77.nycmny.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:38]* PiBot sets mode +v des2[12:39]* rely is now known as rely_train[12:39]<nuil> steve_rox: im happy with peppermintos2 & win7[12:40]<nuil> steve_rox: and debian[12:41]* mekas (~des2@pool-71-190-40-208.nycmny.east.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:41]* des2 is now known as mekas[12:43]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:43]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[12:43]* chrisgu (~chrisgu@62.253.177.183) has joined #raspberrypi[12:43]* PiBot sets mode +v chrisgu[12:44]<Hourd> steve_rox: win8 looks amazing[12:44]<nuil> i love ms servers[12:44]<nuil> 4.3 mb/s[12:44]<nuil> ,[12:44]<nuil> *[12:44]<nuil> +[12:45]* armelf_ (~luser@80.214.1.14) has joined #raspberrypi[12:45]* PiBot sets mode +v armelf_[12:45]<Milos> stop spamming[12:45]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Excess Flood)[12:46]<Hourd> out of curiosity what are peoples primary setups here? mine is win7 + sabayon6(gnome)[12:47]<huene> win7 (for playing), ubuntu with xfce (didn't like unity) on the netbook, debian on the server[12:47]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)[12:47]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:47]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[12:47]<Davespice> I really love the way there has been no activity on the Raspberry Pi twitter feed for 17 hours, with the last message that they were off to the Pub - I bet they've all got stinking hang overs or something :)[12:47]<drazyl> Fedora 15[12:47]<Davespice> has anyone heard from them? scone?[12:49]* Milhouse (~irc_milho@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[12:49]<steve_rox> looking over the various thoughts about win8 online most of them believe win8 is errelivent in one way or another[12:50]* roman3x 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them[12:53]<drazyl> huene got a long way to go, I look after approx 200 computers (servers & desktops, excluding virtuals) and there are 3 tablets[12:53]* roteiro (~roteiro@dslb-084-058-178-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:53]* PiBot sets mode +v roteiro[12:53]* Milhouse (~irc_milho@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) has joined #raspberrypi[12:53]* PiBot sets mode +v Milhouse[12:53]<steve_rox> ms have a habbit of copying everything then somehow hybriding it into their own OS , the end result is windows looses its identity and end users are alienated[12:54]<Dagger3> and it doesn't matter what the majority is... using a for-tablet UI on a desktop is silly, even if more tablets exist than desktops[12:54]<drazyl> and on a personal level, my house has 1 desktop and 3 laptops, but only 1 tablet[12:54]<drazyl> (not including all the no longer used but still on a shelf somewhere laptops)[12:54]<Ben64> i installed win8 in a VM, and laughed[12:54]<drazyl> Dagger3 true, but I think the thought is "tablet=rapid growth market, so let's follow that"[12:54]<steve_rox> ive never used a so called tablet computer[12:55]* Qasaur (b6133061@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.19.48.97) has joined #raspberrypi[12:55]* PiBot sets mode +v Qasaur[12:55]<Qasaur> hey[12:55]<steve_rox> yeah i think ill try shove it in vmware[12:55]<Ben64> hit start button = derpy metro interface[12:55]<Qasaur> Will RPI be suitable for a multicopter or something?[12:55]<drazyl> no idea, what do you want it to do[12:55]<Qasaur> or an RC plan[12:55]<Ben64> its worse than vista[12:55]<Qasaur> or something[12:55]<Qasaur> plane*[12:55]<Iota> Quadrocopters playing James Bond theme?[12:56]<Ben64> i was setting up ~100 computers the night before vista came out[12:56]<Ben64> took about 90 mins for each one to go from power on -> usable[12:56]<steve_rox> vista was errelivent and so is win7 allough that was the "im sorry for vista release please forgive me"[12:56]<Ben64> irrelevant[12:57]<steve_rox> ya know what i mean tho :-P[12:57]<Ben64> just saying[12:57]<Ben64> win7 kinda sucks too[12:57]<steve_rox> yeah[12:57]<Ben64> i almost melted a computer because windows update broke[12:57]<Ben64> theres literally no tools to fix a windows update problem[12:58]<steve_rox> gui in win vista/7 is so bloated tohell[12:58]<steve_rox> what you can do in xp with 3 clicks it takes like 10 in vista7[12:58]<steve_rox> wankers[12:59]<Ben64> yep[12:59]<Ben64> thats why i use all linux[12:59]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[12:59]<steve_rox> im still on xp at moment cos im a rebble , ms wanna murder me[12:59]<neofutur> (13:55) <+ Ben64> theres literally no tools to fix a windows update problem[12:59]<CasperN> you can always replace the gui in windows[12:59]<neofutur> theres literally no tools to talk to windows as an admin[12:59]<neofutur> to see the inside and fix fix anything[12:59]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined 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yeah zleap you were who i was refering to :-P[13:02]<zleap> ah[13:02]<steve_rox> :-)[13:02]* wkl (~Conan@219.142.118.237) Quit (Quit: wkl)[13:02]<zleap> well thats 2 people i know that use zen[13:02]<zleap> one of the dclug members does too[13:03]<steve_rox> :-)[13:03]<steve_rox> i have BT constantly trying to poach me tho[13:03]<steve_rox> i dont fancy it with all the phorm covert bullshit spying crap they have[13:03]<steve_rox> and ive grown a custom to my static IP :-P[13:03]<zleap> just reading the daily mail article ont he rasp pI aparently its compatable with windows, apple and android software[13:04]* alyosha_sql (~a@93-103-9-223.static.t-2.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:04]<drazyl> awesome, where can I get one of these new models?[13:04]<zleap> why can't jounalsts get their facts right[13:04]<steve_rox> why would they post its compatible with windows[13:04]<steve_rox> thats potentially damageing[13:04]<drazyl> zleap because that requires them to do some work rather than just copy and paste from somewhere else[13:04]<zleap> yeah[13:05]<mekas> Will windows 8 run on it ?[13:05]<zleap> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2108045/Raspberry-Pi--Could-tiny-PC-help-Britain-Mark-Zuckerberg.html#comments[13:05]<steve_rox> unlkikely[13:05]<zleap> look inthe tech teach box[13:05]<mekas> There's a reason it is called "The Daily Fail"[13:05]<steve_rox> it will need 8tb ram[13:05]<drazyl> you need to learn to think like a journo: A: "blah blah Raspberry Pi blah blah ARM", B: "blah blah Windows 8 blah blah ARM": therefore A+B "blah blah Raspberry Pi Windows 8"[13:06]<mekas> "Credit-card sized wi-fi gizmo"[13:06]<mekas> They lost it already[13:06]<neofutur> to me the launch od #raspberrypi is #failoftheyear[13:06]<zleap> I feel like making a 2nd comment aimed at those asking where to get one, saying this is aimed at teaching programming, this requires you to think if you can't figure out how to search for it in google then are you a potential programmer[13:06]<neofutur> ( but I still hope to get one )[13:06]<steve_rox> wish they would stop plastering the name "Zuckerberg" everywhere[13:06]<zleap> thing is ubuntu won't run as that is written for a different arm chip so windows would ahve to be ported and made to run in 256 mb ram[13:07]* acperkins (~acperkins@pdpc/supporter/student/acperkins) has joined #raspberrypi[13:07]* PiBot sets mode +v acperkins[13:07]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:07]<zleap> well they imply linux is compatable with windows , apple and android,[13:07]<neofutur> zleap: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-arm.xml[13:08]<steve_rox> perhaps this device will help break the mould of ms repression and programming enforcement etc[13:08]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[13:08]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[13:08]<neofutur> soeone should setup a gentoo binhost for raspberrypi[13:08]<zleap> steve in the right hands it will as long as tehre is support from adults who give a damn about it[13:08]<steve_rox> hmmm i wonder who will be the first to get a PI to join this room ;-)[13:09]<steve_rox> in a hello world ;-)[13:09]<zleap> neofutur, maybe set upa project for it,[13:09]* warddr (~warddr@2a01:4f8:140:72a1::151) has joined #raspberrypi[13:09]* warddr (~warddr@2a01:4f8:140:72a1::151) Quit (Changing host)[13:09]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[13:09]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[13:09]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[13:09]<neofutur> zleap: I can help for hosting website, git . . .[13:09]<zleap> post to the comments page and plug the channel #raspberrypI and watch as people moan they can't find it on twitter, those that come here are the right people[13:10]<steve_rox> are RS expecting a riot on friday? since i think i rember hearing thats when they are selling their stock of pi[13:11]<zleap> dunno, i have registered interest[13:11]<mekas> Well they announced it was first come first served based on when you 'registered your interest'[13:11]<zleap> they only have 5000, if the initial 10k were split 50/50[13:11]<zleap> ohh[13:11]* koll (5ead6278@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.98.120) has joined #raspberrypi[13:11]* PiBot sets mode +v koll[13:11]<zleap> so i need to log in early to get one then[13:11]<mekas> http://www.electrocomponents.com/media/press-releases/2012/02/29th/[13:11]<mekas> That's their press release[13:12]<steve_rox> i think i rember seeing "by regging your interest you agree to let them sell your details"somewhere[13:12]<steve_rox> so i dident do it[13:12]<mekas> Apparently the first 5,000 that 'registered their interest' will get one[13:12]* koll (5ead6278@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.98.120) has left #raspberrypi[13:12]<mekas> All you had to give was your name and email[13:12]<nuil> mekas: hopefully, will rs uk ship to germany?[13:12]<mekas> I have no idea nuil[13:12]<zleap> ok[13:13]<steve_rox> and with the server which was bombed to hell yesterday do ya think regging a interest now would count for crap :-P[13:13]<zleap> i will keep an eye on the site then[13:13]* joeka (~joe@dslb-188-104-207-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: bye)[13:14]<neofutur> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs is still 404[13:14]<neofutur> no way to tell people what is raspberrypi[13:14]<neofutur> making a static wesite , ok[13:14]<neofutur> killing all the useful content . . . is mad[13:15]<mekas> Yeah neofutur, not good.[13:15]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca5679.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:15]* PiBot sets mode +v ReggieUK[13:15]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:15]<neofutur> I wanted to advertise rpi on #gentoo[13:15]<neofutur> cant do anything without http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs[13:16]<mekas> with the interest in the device at its peak silly not to have info pages up[13:16]* tero (~0@86.58.60.109) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:21]<SpeedEvil> It's insane.[13:21]<SpeedEvil> Also the forums need to be up.[13:21]<neofutur> forum i dynamic content[13:21]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-45.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[13:21]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[13:21]<neofutur> i wouldnt ask for it[13:22]<neofutur> but a static version of a faq is not hard to setup[13:22]<neofutur> but i can host the forums on my servers if needed ;)[13:22]<SpeedEvil> Tweet at them about this![13:22]<neofutur> a tweet is too short for this[13:23]<neofutur> I try here in case there would be some admins here[13:23]<Ben64> neofutur: go to google[13:23]<Ben64> type in "cache:raspberrypi.org/faqs"[13:23]<Ben64> be happy[13:23]<Qasaur> so guys[13:23]<SpeedEvil> Well - not really - 'you need to put the FAQs up, and the forums! I can provide hosting'[13:23]<neofutur> great . . .[13:24]<Qasaur> is the Raspberry Pi suitable for Radio Control?[13:24]<SpeedEvil> Qasaur: Sure[13:24]<SpeedEvil> In some aspects.[13:24]<drazyl> Qasaur depends exactly what you want to control and how you need to interface[13:24]<SpeedEvil> What do you mean by that?[13:24]<neofutur> 1 000 000will loose time with google cache he it takes 1 min to make a static copy of the content[13:24]<Ben64> what[13:24]<Qasaur> the motors and the servos[13:25]<Qasaur> and some other misc stuff[13:25]<SpeedEvil> Qasaur: you can indirectly connect them, yes.[13:25]<drazyl> and it's probably a bit OTT just for simple RC[13:27]<Qasaur> well it's supposed to be with FPV[13:28]<mekas> An arduino is probably more usited to radio control[13:29]* winocm (~winocm@adsl-108-211-106-127.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:29]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[13:29]* winocm (~winocm@adsl-108-211-106-127.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Changing host)[13:29]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) has joined #raspberrypi[13:29]* PiBot sets mode +v winocm[13:30]<steve_rox> what if you used a local short range wifi network setup :-P[13:30]<steve_rox> but youd need something to control relays etc[13:31]<acperkins> Am I correct in thinking the offically supported programming environment will be Python with Qt? 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Given a Debian install, you could use any of PyQt or PySide, e.g.[13:37]<acperkins> OdyX: I was referring more to the software that will be bundled with the Model A on release, and if there are any details on what may be included or supported[13:39]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273/l/for-newark-element14-customers-we-are-fixing-the-shipping-fee-error-on-raspberry-pi[13:42]* mcp_ (~mcp@178-191-176-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi[13:42]* PiBot sets mode +v mcp_[13:42]* SpEcTo (~SpEcTo@94.23.143.195) Quit (Quit: leaving)[13:43]* SpEcTo (~SpEcTo@94.23.143.195) has joined #raspberrypi[13:43]* PiBot sets mode +v SpEcTo[13:44]* vipkilla (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/t-dot-zilla/x-2830497) has joined #raspberrypi[13:44]* PiBot sets mode +v vipkilla[13:45]<Milos> I managed to get successful oreder through 40 mins after the start time, it says my order has been partially shipped, then cancelled, then on hold[13:45]<Milos> does this mean I got the first batch or what[13:45]<Milos> this is with element14[13:45]<RaTTuS|BIG> lgo back in a look at the tracking info[13:45]<Milos> that is the tracking info[13:46]<Milos> here: www.wut.co.nz/images/rp2.png[13:47]<RaTTuS|BIG> no that is not what it means[13:47]<Milos> oh right[13:47]<Milos> that's just the definition[13:47]<RaTTuS|BIG> above it it will say order status[13:47]<RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p[13:47]<Milos> yeah it's on Received[13:47]* RaTTuS|BIG on processing[13:47]<Milos> is that what it's meant to say[13:48]<SpEcTo> it's lovely how they say shipping may be charged once the invoice is processed \o/[13:48]<Milos> how do I know if I got the first batch :|[13:48]* vipkilla (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/t-dot-zilla/x-2830497) has left #raspberrypi[13:49]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[13:50]<Ben64> if you get it before May probably[13:50]<Milos> ...[13:51]* DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:51]* 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only order 1 so why try and order more?[14:15]<Simon-> I didn't try to order more, I ordered more[14:16]<Simon-> they're currently only allocating 1 item to it[14:16]<drazyl> doesn't answer the question[14:16]<chris_99> they'll reset it to 1[14:16]<Simon-> but they appear to be trying to invoice me for 2 at ??24.55 instead of 5 at ??23.43[14:16]<chris_99> they did that to me[14:16]<Simon-> like I said, they can try[14:16]<Simon-> drazyl: because I want more[14:17]<rob_> cos you're a nobend[14:17]<nuil> Simon-: we all wanted more than one[14:17]<nuil> but we all orderd only one[14:17]<drazyl> Simon- ahhh, I see, you are a self-entitled arse[14:17]<Simon-> they're still taking orders for more than 1[14:17]<drazyl> no sense of community some people[14:17]<chris_99> you'll just get it reset to 1, i ordered 2 by accident[14:18]<Simon-> not sure which part of giving them more money to preorder more of them you don't get[14:18]<jojo> if they are being made to order now then it does not necessarily follow that ordering more is bad[14:18]<Simon-> I'm not expecting them to all come out of the first 10k, and the rest of them are made on demand[14:18]<drazyl> Simon- what part of "Today's sales are limited to one per customer" did you not get?[14:19]<Simon-> drazyl: the part where that statement does not appear anywhere on the Farnell website[14:19]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[14:19]<drazyl> and how did you get to the Farnell website?[14:19]<IT_Sean> aaaaaaaaaaalllright, break it up.[14:19]<drazyl> and how did you know about the R-pi?[14:19]<drazyl> sheesh[14:19]<Simon-> the only T&Cs that matter are the ones on the Farnell website[14:19]<IT_Sean> Actually, that is not true.[14:19]<jojo> is sales the same as preorders ?[14:20]* MadsRC (~mrc@193.169.75.65) has joined #raspberrypi[14:20]<IT_Sean> The Foundation has limited sales of Batch 1 to One Per Person.[14:20]<vgrade> +Simon-, I hope you don't need any support from 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where can I find estimated shipping date?[15:14]<ksx4system> somebody posted here that his date was delayed, how do I check if mine wasn't?[15:15]* Christian4 (~christian@p57A3C8EA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:15]<abaxas> who knows[15:15]<abaxas> no-one knows[15:15]<abaxas> not even the people who said they knew knew[15:15]<abaxas> infact those that thought about it realized they were wrong[15:15]<abaxas> chill and wait[15:15]<abaxas> hope for a package[15:16]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) has joined #raspberrypi[15:16]* cuzzo (~Zilly@173-166-7-93-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:16]* cosh (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) Quit (Disconnected by services)[15:17]* ryld (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) has joined #raspberrypi[15:17]* heymaste_ (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) has joined #raspberrypi[15:18]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-162-100.client.wireless.msu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[15:18]<RaTTuS|BIG> ksx4system put your order in and see what it says[15:19]* heymaste_ (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[15:20]* afief (~quassel@109.64.6.110) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:20]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) Quit (Client Quit)[15:21]* Caver (~Caver@nat1.nipltd.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:21]* heymaster (~heymaster@2002:4e3d:d4bc:0:ccf:2362:875d:890d) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:22]* Mavy is now known as Mavy-bnc[15:23]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[15:24]* heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) has joined #raspberrypi[15:26]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has left #raspberrypi[15:26]<crackm> @ RaTTuS|BIG it doesn't say any ETA for many ppl ...[15:26]* heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:26]* heymaste_ (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) has joined #raspberrypi[15:27]* heymaste_ (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:27]* Caver 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(~rintaun@projectxero.net) has left #raspberrypi[15:32]<RaTTuS|BIG> or netsplit[15:33]<steve_rox> eather way we are screwed :-P[15:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> ksx4system crackm - umm which part of teh world has unknoen delivery estimates[15:33]<nuil> :D[15:33]* joeka (~joe@dslb-188-104-207-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:33]<RaTTuS|BIG> no voice for you[15:34]<crackm> which part of of tehre are ETA for 1. Batch dont you get ;) RaTTuS|BIG[15:34]<RaTTuS|BIG> hello new people joining - the voice bot has gone AWOL , we are sorry but there is nothin us mortals can do[15:34]<jamesd256> I'm new to IRC - what difference does voice make?[15:35]<nuil> you are able to talk jamesd256[15:35]<ironzorg> its a shamebit![15:35]<nuil> thats the + behind you name[15:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> allows people to speak in a moderated channel - this got moderated yesterday[15:35]<jamesd256> sounds a bit like the matrix[15:35]<petschge> if channel mode "+m" is set only people with voice (user mode +v) may say something[15:35]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> ukscone may be able to fix it[15:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> hello new people joining - the voice bot has gone AWOL , we are sorry but there is nothin us mortals can do[15:36]<jamesd256> what is the point of setting mode +m then auto-allocating voice?[15:36]<RaTTuS|BIG> so you can mute people who are spamming[15:36]<rely_train> It's easier to mute people.[15:36]<rely_train> And yesterday was a little nuts...[15:36]* ragna (~ragna@e180057229.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[15:37]* ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone[15:37]<ukscone> we lost pibot?[15:37]<RaTTuS|BIG> yes[15:37]<nuil> yeah[15:37]<lennard> quite[15:37]<ukscone> b*******[15:37]<lennard> so unless you can fix it, you may want to -m ;)[15:37]<RaTTuS|BIG> you can probbaly remove -m now though TBH[15:38]<ukscone> ok so what chanserv command do i need to do to fix this?[15:38]<nuil> how is the irc command to show users?[15:38]<ukscone> it's /mode or something isn't it?[15:38]<lennard> ukscone: try simply /mode -m[15:38]<huene> nuil: try /nick[15:38]* ukscone sets mode -m [15:38]<lennard> if ChanServ doesn't revert it, we're good :)[15:38]<joeka> hello[15:38]<lennard> there we go then[15:38]<joeka> I can talk[15:38]<lennard> yes you can :)[15:38]<joeka> that's nice[15:38]<RaTTuS|BIG> excellent thanks ukscone[15:38]<nuil> huene: gna, its showing my own nick in irssi[15:39]<huene> ah, irssi - just /n[15:39]* Magoggles (~kvirc@c211-30-210-147.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)[15:39]<nuil> ty huene[15:39]<huene> oh. the full command is /names ...[15:39]<huene> /n is an alias[15:39]<huene> yw[15:40]* aMunster````` is now known as aMunster[15:40]<nuil> ty[15:41]* Calyp (~Calyp@unaffiliated/calyptratus-tzm) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[15:41]<huene> no problem[15:43]<ukscone> the form still not back yet?[15:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> no[15:43]<RaTTuS|BIG> last word on the twitter - we're off to the pub - that was lastnight[15:43]<ukscone> liz must have one hell of a hangover[15:44]<huene> no wonder[15:44]<nuil> :D[15:44]<huene> i'd celebrate for a week or so if i were one of the foundation :)[15:44]<ukscone> it was all a scam after all :)[15:44]<nuil> or they're gathering information for the next blogpost[15:44]<ukscone> they split the money with rs and farnell[15:44]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43262/l/frequently-asked-questions-about-raspberry-pi/?CMP=SOM-TW-e14RasPiFAQ[15:44]<nuil> or they fear the blogpost[15:44]<nuil> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43262/l/frequently-asked-questions-about-raspberry-pi/?CMP=SOM-TW-e14RasPiFAQ[15:44]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273/l/for-newark-element14-customers-we-are-fixing-the-shipping-fee-error-on-raspberry-pi[15:47]<oclet> http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/4hdswy/www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/01/conservative-blogger-andrew-breitbart-dead-at-43/[15:48]<RaTTuS|BIG> please stay on topic[15:48]* UnderSampled (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-028.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:48]* ironzorg (~ironzorg@ironzorg.fr) has left #raspberrypi[15:48]* ironzorg (~ironzorg@ironzorg.fr) has joined #raspberrypi[15:48]<ironzorg> o/[15:48]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:48]<Chinese_soup> \o[15:49]<tero> still no forum/old page?[15:49]<tero> :([15:49]<ironzorg> maybe the raspberrypi.org dns entry points to another server/vhost[15:49]<nuil> they're prepairing the forum to the massive shitstorm[15:49]<ironzorg> I'd like to have the server back pretty please[15:50]<RaTTuS|BIG> they are still recovering from teh pub[15:50]<ironzorg> eh[15:50]<huene> nuil: there's even a script to integrate a nicklist in irssi (irssi.org/scripts - nicklist.pl or so) - i've never used it, so dunno if it's good[15:50]<RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi[15:50]<ukscone> they might have decided to just keep drinking because it's st. david's day today[15:50]<swp_> Anyone else had their order date bumped ?[15:50]<swp_> 'I had a delivery date of 12th March, but when I phoned up to check it had been put back till the end of April.'[15:51]<nuil> huene: thanks, but i was just intrestet how many ppl are here[15:51]<huene> ok[15:51]<RaTTuS|BIG> mine is 16th april what it has been since yesterday[15:51]<chris_99> same here[15:51]<ironzorg> nuil: /names should do fine[15:52]<nuil> ironzorg: jep[15:52]<Caver> hi[15:52]<Caver> yay .. I have voice :)[15:52]<ironzorg> I still haven't received any mail from farnell saying when I should expect the delivery :<[15:52]<ironzorg> but I got the one saying my command has been submitted[15:53]<Caver> I just got a 3rd email from farnell saying ... going to be end of April, not end of March now grrr[15:53]<nuil> ironzorg: +1, when ordered it in germany, 30 days[15:53]<Caver> but guess I ought to be glad I've got one at all[15:53]<RaTTuS|BIG> my farnell ones go like this :- welcome to farnell | Order Ack | Order Conf | Urgent Order Info[15:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> but I can look on the website a see the status[15:54]* hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:54]<DDave> nuil:[15:54]<DDave> Was ist die genaue beschreibung vom rasppi board?[15:55]<DDave> bzw die bestellnr bitte[15:55]<nuil> DDave: wie meinst du das?[15:55]<DDave> http://de.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185[15:55]<DDave> ist das die richtige "variante" ?[15:55]<zgreg> ja, das m??sste die richtige "variante" sein[15:55]<nuil> ich denk schon, sonst gibt es ja nix anderes[15:55]<DDave> k[15:56]<DDave> weil ich erinnere mich das es irgendwie 2 eintr?ge gab[15:56]<zgreg> das andere teil ist angeblich nur der chip[15:56]<DDave> genau desshalb :)[15:56]<zgreg> jedenfalls wollte mir das ein mitarbeitet von farnell erz??hlen[15:56]* Caver looks on blankly[15:56]<DDave> also ist die bestellnr richtig ?[15:56]<ironzorg> keep it english please[15:56]<RaTTuS|BIG> google translate works with it[15:56]<zgreg> ich kann es mir immer noch nicht vorstellen, dass die den chip einzeln verkaufen[15:56]<swp_> Don't you hate it when that happens[15:56]<zgreg> ja, das ist richtig[15:56]<DDave> amen[15:56]<ironzorg> :|[15:56]<abaxas> acthung spitfire[15:56]<DDave> heh, americans :P[15:56]<zgreg> ironzorg: we're doing this just to annoy you[15:57]<DDave> ironzorg: see..im not even german[15:57]<ironzorg> hey who wants to speak in a foreign language only a few of us will understand ?[15:57]<DDave> really just to annoy you :P[15:57]<Cemial|afk> does farnell already put taxes and stuff on top of it? on the german site of farnell it's 27 bucks, on the dutch one 33[15:57]<ukscone> just got a reply fromliz[15:57]<DDave> Cemial|afk: nope, taxes arent included[15:57]* Cemial|afk is now known as Cemial[15:57]<nuil> Cemial|afk: go to the "Kasse", about 9??? taxes[15:57]<RaTTuS|BIG> whats Liz say[15:58]<ukscone> they are still getting an insane amount of traffic so the forum can't be switched back on yet[15:58]<Cemial> then why is the dutch version more expensive :/[15:58]<RaTTuS|BIG> can they put the FAQ link back?[15:58]<huene> oO still that much traffic? amazing[15:58]<ironzorg> how is the wiki still holding though[15:58]<RaTTuS|BIG> or do a 503 5-4 to the FAQ[15:59]<ironzorg> it's not hosted on that big of a server[15:59]<nuil> ironzorg: nobody knows about the wiki[15:59]<ironzorg> I see[16:00]<cuzzo> Is video encoding by Raspberry Pi hardware accelerated? Video decoding is hardware accelerated, right? I've seen it decode 1080p.[16:00]<DDave> yeah, gpu[16:02]<swp_> Problem with not havine the forum on, is there's a dilution of information happening.[16:02]<swp_> Farnell have been promoting their own community, http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?view=discussions[16:03]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:03]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:03]<RaTTuS|BIG> cuzzo no[16:03]* ChrisLenz (~ChrisLenz@c-24-14-224-41.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:03]<RaTTuS|BIG> IIRC licence would be $4 / RPi[16:04]<RaTTuS|BIG> i.e. paid up front for all of them[16:04]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:04]<cuzzo> RaTTuS|BIG, so, then, should I expect video encoding to be significantly slower than on an AMD e-350?[16:04]<RaTTuS|BIG> yes - probably YMMV[16:04]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Client Quit)[16:04]<Caver> yes more than likely[16:04]<cuzzo> RaTTuS|BIG, YMMV?[16:04]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:05]<RaTTuS|BIG> Your Mileage May Vary[16:05]* mike_ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:05]<Caver> you'd have to use the CPU, and the cpu is akin to a Pentium 300MHz in power ....[16:05]<cuzzo> RaTTuS|BIG, oh. Thanks.[16:05]<mchou> damn it[16:05]* mike_ is now known as Guest58146[16:05]<mchou> freaking hat Farnell[16:05]<mchou> hate*[16:05]* Kostic (~Kostic@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has joined #raspberrypi[16:05]<cuzzo> Caver, yeah, that's what I was worried about.[16:05]* Kostic (~Kostic@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has left #raspberrypi[16:06]<mchou> provide name and they use it for marketing purposes[16:06]* ReggieUK is now known as ILoveFarnell[16:06]<ILoveFarnell> what's wrong with farnell?[16:06]<cuzzo> Will it be able to do image manipulation (particularly through PIL--alpha blending specifically) with the GPU?[16:06]<mchou> f'off[16:06]* ILoveFarnell is now known as farnellareAce[16:07]* atts (~asheehan@146-115-165-244.c3-0.wth-ubr1.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:07]<ukscone> cousteau`uni: you should be able to talk now[16:07]<cousteau`uni> o rly?[16:07]<cousteau`uni> yayy![16:08]<ukscone> cousteau`uni: sorry about that -- there was a bot in here to autovoice people but it seems to have crashed[16:08]* farnellareAce is now known as ReggieUK[16:08]<ukscone> i'll have a word with the other ops and see if they agree we shoudl reset the channel flags[16:08]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: what did you say regarding licensing?[16:08]<cousteau`uni> So, as I was saying before... why is there a giant RPi ad on Farnell's home page?[16:08]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:08]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: I missed it earlier[16:08]<RaTTuS|BIG> IIRC licence would be $4 / RPi[16:08]* ChrisLenz (~ChrisLenz@c-24-14-224-41.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:08]<RaTTuS|BIG> for encoding[16:09]* madm1ke_ (~madm1ke@unaffiliated/madm1ke) has left #raspberrypi[16:09]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: h264 encoding?[16:09]<cousteau`uni> (yeah, sometimes bots stop respecting the 1st law of robotics and that's annoying)[16:09]* Out`Of`Control (~Viper@unaffiliated/outofcontrol/x-1373891) has joined #raspberrypi[16:09]<RaTTuS|BIG> and the foudation has to pay up front[16:09]<RaTTuS|BIG> yea[16:09]<RaTTuS|BIG> I'm not 100% sure on that becase the forums are down[16:09]<RaTTuS|BIG> jamesH mentioned it IIRC[16:10]* roman3x (~roman3x@bband-dyn33.178-40-206.t-com.sk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:10]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: so is this just 'talk' or is this really available?[16:10]* alyosha_sql (~a@88.200.57.130) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:10]* ryld (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7)[16:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> jamesH is part of teh foundation[16:10]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: that's not what I asked[16:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M2/Documents/m2web_licenseterms.pdf[16:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> $2.5[16:10]<RaTTuS|BIG> oh[16:11]<cousteau`uni> so, is the RPi already for sale? this Farnell page seems to sell it but I can't find the price... was the $25/35 target achieved?[16:11]<huene> cousteau`uni: the rpi is already sold out. you can pre-order for the next batch[16:11]<ReggieUK> $35 is the model B and yes they hit that price[16:11]<huene> but production should be much faster now, with 2 licensed distributors[16:11]<RaTTuS|BIG> cousteau`uni yes on teh price before tax and shipping etc[16:11]<cousteau`uni> huene: oh, that went fast[16:11]<ReggieUK> anything on top of that is between you and the seller and your local tax office[16:12]<RaTTuS|BIG> mchou what where you asking[16:12]<cousteau`uni> and congratulations for achieving it :)[16:12]<RaTTuS|BIG> back after coffee[16:12]<huene> well it was predictable, that it would go really fast[16:12]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: Is the licensing available to end users[16:12]<cousteau`uni> I thought it would take years to have something matching the original plans[16:12]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: or has to be negotiated only thru foundation[16:13]<zer0her0> cousteau`uni, why?[16:13]<cousteau`uni> what's this $2.5 license thing? a fee for a particular MPEG2 library, or a license everybody has to pay to whoever invented the MPEG2 codec?[16:14]<RaTTuS|BIG> it has to be done by the foundation as it requirs a lot of work [in licensing , make the binary blob work, contracts etc...][16:14]<ReggieUK> it's a fee for hardware decoding[16:14]<cousteau`uni> zer0her0: pessimism I guess[16:14]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: ok, so vaporware still[16:14]<ReggieUK> mchou, what's vaporware?[16:14]<zer0her0> cousteau`uni, ah, that would make sense. ;)[16:14]<RaTTuS|BIG> no - hardware encoding has not been bought by the foundation[16:14]<mchou> encoding[16:15]<drazyl> not sure how it's vapourware when it has never been promised that I can recall[16:15]<ReggieUK> drazyl, +1[16:15]<mchou> for goodness sakes[16:15]<cousteau`uni> zer0her0: actually, it was because of the "$100 Computer"[16:15]<mchou> I didn't say the foundation mentioned it[16:16]<cousteau`uni> how much did the $100 PCs end up costing when they were released?[16:16]<zer0her0> oh the OLPC? well 1) that's what's his face being crazy 2) that has ALOT more parts to it[16:16]<ReggieUK> so where does vaporware come into it?[16:16]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG mentioned licensing for encoding earlier[16:16]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M2/Pages/FAQ.aspx[16:16]<mchou> and I asked him if was 'talk' or for real[16:16]<mchou> 'talk'==VAPORWARE[16:16]<RaTTuS|BIG> I said the hardware encoding was not being done[16:17]<mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: my beef is not with you[16:17]<drazyl> no, pre-announcement that is not fulfilled == vapourware[16:17]<mchou> at these dorks jumping on me for mentioning vaporware[16:17]<ReggieUK> not necessarily[16:17]* uriah (~uriah@bas7-montreal19-2925250453.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Quit: grml.org - linux for sysadmins and users of texttools)[16:17]* RaTTuS|BIG off for coffee[16:18]* linkbuck (~linkbuck@117.3.205.135) has joined #raspberrypi[16:18]* Hugo332 (55a02ba7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.160.43.167) has left #raspberrypi[16:20]<cousteau`uni> did the RPiB have the GPIO pins on them? (if I buy one of these I want to use it as a "badass arduino", for what I need (1) GPIO pins, (2) some sort of software or API to control them)[16:20]<cousteau`uni> ((1) can be solved with a soldering iron)[16:20]<mchou> wth[16:20]<ironzorg> cousteau`uni: I've seen some C code using the GPIO pins on the wiki[16:21]<mchou> 'essential accessory kit' doesn't have power supply[16:21]<zer0her0> cousteau`uni, last i heard there were contacts but not actual pins(allow more flexibility) as for 2) no idea.[16:21]<mchou> Who are these jokers?[16:21]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Quit: .)[16:21]<cousteau`uni> but, easily or calling some completely messed up commands?[16:21]<zer0her0> mchou?[16:21]<cousteau`uni> zer0her0: ok, so I'd have to solder them myself...[16:21]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) has joined #raspberrypi[16:22]<mchou> zer0her0: what I said earlier[16:22]<mchou> zer0her0: where is the power supply?[16:22]<zer0her0> mchou, ah sorry missed your posts :)[16:22]* kism3t (~kism3t@client-86-25-193-8.bsh-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[16:22]<zer0her0> mchou thought you were calling me a joker ;)[16:22]* mkopack (~mkopack@174-150-167-10.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:23]<zer0her0> cousteau`uni, i believe so, but as i said i'm a bit a behind the times. so may wanna double check the wiki or something.[16:23]* troth (~troth@nat/hp/x-hwozmubgoneylfqw) has left #raspberrypi[16:23]<drazyl> there is access to the gpio through the proc filesystem I believe[16:23]<drazyl> beyond that not sure[16:23]<ironzorg> cousteau`uni: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals[16:23]* linkbuck (~linkbuck@117.3.205.135) Quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))[16:23]<drazyl> should be possible to access directly by examining the proc driver tho[16:23]* mdavey (~chatzilla@visitor-net.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:24]<piofcube> Hi all[16:24]<ukscone> you can access the gpio via C code and mmap() and also the /sys[16:24]<ukscone> for shell/python.... access[16:24]<zer0her0> there you go. :) hehe[16:25]<ReggieUK> mchou, you can power the pi from a mini usb cable[16:25]<ReggieUK> pointless including a power supply with it in 30 different countries[16:25]<mchou> ReggieUK: yes, I know that, that's not the point[16:25]<cousteau`uni> the gpio pin layout is totally messed up[16:25]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:25]<ReggieUK> they actually give geeks credit for being able to source their own PSU[16:25]<victhor> micro usb...[16:26]<mchou> ReggieUK: pfftt[16:26]<ddss|mips> rpi[16:26]<victhor> you better not use a mini usb plug, doesn't fit[16:26]<ddss|mips> ipr[16:26]<mchou> ReggieUK: you're a dok[16:26]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out)[16:26]<ReggieUK> if you wanted to moan about something, moan about the $3 usb 'hub' :D[16:26]<mchou> dork*[16:26]<ReggieUK> mchou, you're a whiney bitch, guess who's happier :D[16:26]<piofcube> lol[16:26]<mchou> who the hell needs an ugly hub[16:26]<mkopack> Hey gang??? still no RPi forums huh? :([16:27]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:27]<mkopack> They've been quiet on Twitter as well??? probably taking a WELL deserved rest[16:28]<Caver> more like recovering from well deserved hangover :)[16:29]<ReggieUK> yup, they went down the pub at 6pm last night[16:29]<piofcube> still there are they? ;-)[16:29]<ReggieUK> lock in[16:30]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:30]<ReggieUK> liz put ??350k behind the bar and said no ones leaving til it's finished[16:30]<piofcube> Liz probs drunk Eben under the table[16:30]<mkopack> LOL[16:30]<tsenyk> hm[16:30]<mkopack> Assuing she wsn't doing something else to him under the table ;)[16:30]<toxibuny> 'Ello![16:30]<kallisti5> ooh.[16:31]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) has left #raspberrypi[16:31]<kallisti5> expected ship date for my Pi changed from March 29th to 13 Mar 2012[16:31]<piofcube> Well... you know what they food bloggers are like... got to have a good wine with every meal... She'd be more used to drinking... (hypothetically speaking... just in case she's reading thing LMAO)[16:32]<mchou> nice[16:32]<zgreg> cuzzo: I think video encoding is supported in theory, but there's no licence for h.264 encoding[16:32]<piofcube> they=those[16:32]* IT_Sean sets mode +v Caver[16:32]<ReggieUK> awesome, a few people on here were moaning last night, saying they were cancelling their orders[16:32]<zer0her0> what about webm?[16:32]<zgreg> ReggieUK, huh, why?[16:32]<cuzzo> zgreg, is h.264 the only codec that's supported for decoding? I was planning on using this for libvpx/webm.[16:32]* piofcube needs more coffee before his typing can improve[16:32]<zgreg> zer0her0: not supported[16:32]<mkopack> zer: o support for it built in[16:33]<mkopack> would have to be CPU only at this point, which would be VERY slow[16:33]<zgreg> cuzzo: pretty much. there's some support for webm, but not at HD resolutions.[16:33]<zer0her0> zgreg, that's unfortunate.[16:33]<Caver> zer0her0, what do you need it for?[16:33]<Caver> X / Browsing?[16:33]<toxibuny> Anyone know when the forums are back up?[16:34]* ReggieUK has coffee and bacon and brie bagguette[16:34]<mkopack> Not yet toxic...[16:34]<RaTTuS|BIG> toxibuny later after teh wen traffic calm down a bit[16:34]<toxibuny> Righto[16:34]<IT_Sean> <><><> Ladies & Gents. Apologies to those who were unable to speak in here... It looks like our bot went down. The voice requirement restriction has been removed. Thank you for your understanding.[16:34]<mchou> kill teh wabbit?[16:35]<Caver> the BBC story was still about 5 most read on the site when I looked earlier[16:35]<zgreg> ReggieUK: let me guess, some of the people found out there's not X accel, etc. and then decided to cancel the order? :)[16:35]<ReggieUK> didn't seem to affect much IT_Sean :)[16:35]<cuzzo> zgreg, hmm. Ok. So, I can expect to playback 1080p h.264 pretty well, but not encode it. Yes?[16:35]<Caver> heheh more fool then, I'm sure it will happen[16:35]<mkopack> cuzzo: right[16:35]<zgreg> cuzzo: right[16:35]<Caver> ReggieUK, oh yes it did I couldn't talk for a good 15 mins grrr[16:35]<RaTTuS|BIG> daily mail has a crap report[16:35]<ReggieUK> ahh, must've been while i was out[16:35]<piofcube> The BBC were.. erm... laughable yesterday in some of their reports[16:36]<cuzzo> zgreg, mkopack, thanks! I'm going to need to find a way around that >.<[16:36]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2108045/Raspberry-Pi--Could-tiny-PC-help-Britain-Mark-Zuckerberg.html[16:36]<zgreg> cuzzo: and even if the h.264 did work, quality would be BAD[16:36]<ReggieUK> given that I still don't have +v[16:36]<Caver> journalism and IT have never been good bedfellows[16:36]<zgreg> cuzzo: I mean, h.264 encoder[16:36]<RaTTuS|BIG> ^ read the texh teach in bit and spot the errors[16:36]<ReggieUK> caver if only that were true[16:36]<zer0her0> Caver, oh just wondering. i went to school with the guys that worked for On2 before they were acquired by google[16:36]<cuzzo> zgreg, why would it be bad if it worked? Shouldn't it encode at the same quality on any processor and just take longer on a slower processor?[16:36]<zgreg> cuzzo: these hardware accelerated encoders ar optimized for speed, not quality[16:36]<ReggieUK> NoTW and sun did well out of IT[16:36]<Caver> I've started to mentally blank out any "news" story that includes the word "Could" ....[16:37]<cuzzo> zgreg, Oh, gotcha. Because of the hardware acceleration.[16:37]<Caver> "Could cows fly to the moon?"[16:37]<ReggieUK> positively embraced it for a time there didn't they?[16:37]<zgreg> cuzzo: it will require MUCH more bitrate for similar results to a good cpu-based encoder, like x264[16:37]* kain88 (~smuxi@chello213047121188.26.11.vie.surfer.at) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:37]<mkopack> cuzzo: This device, much like the tablet computers, really isn't made for creation of content, more for consumption[16:37]<piofcube> Like the reason why the first R-Pi doesn't come with an OS when you buy it... "The raspberry pi doesn't come with any software so students can write their own." I'm not sure how someone can write an OS on a device that has no OS or software... LOL[16:37]* RaTTuS|BIG goes to DD windows 7 accross a few machines[16:37]<jamesd256> piofcube: linus managed it[16:37]<ReggieUK> I thought the funniest thing was the 'alternatives' to the pi on the bbc article[16:37]<mkopack> Link to the BBC article?[16:38]<ReggieUK> http://omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/MiniEMBWiFi-p-16180.html[16:38]<jamesd256> but I don't think they meant the OS :\[16:38]<piofcube> jamesd256 I think he used a unix machine to write the code[16:38]<zgreg> ReggieUK: which article, by the way?[16:38]<Caver> yeah I looked at that nice price, shame about the no display!![16:38]<ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17192823[16:38]* medelman (42ee8952@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.238.137.82) has joined #raspberrypi[16:38]<cuzzo> mkopack, gotcha. I mean I just need to turn an image into a video (with fade in/out affects). It's not the most demanding task. I'll probably be able to figure out a way to do it.[16:38]<ReggieUK> the omnimia isn't even a nice device at that price[16:38]<jamesd256> piofcube: as I said, I think software does not mean the OS in that statement[16:39]<piofcube> turn on a machine without an OS and it just sits there saying missing operating system...[16:39]<jamesd256> no one is expecting anyone to write an OS, that would be insane[16:39]<zgreg> ReggieUK: what's so funny about these alternatives presented? these are decent recommendations.[16:39]<ReggieUK> it looks suspiciously like a router reference board[16:39]<mkopack> cuzzo: There are some command line tools that will take a series of static images and turn them into a video clip[16:39]<ReggieUK> piofcube, if your lucky[16:39]* swiley (~swiley@137.sub-75-243-23.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:39]<mkopack> (in linux)[16:40]<jamesd256> you can't be serious piofcube[16:40]<mkopack> I don't remember the name of it off the tip of my tongue. I had to use it in my Robotics lab class last spring to take the static image dumps of my robots view of the world and turn it into an animated video[16:40]<zgreg> cuzzo: hmm, why do you need to make a video out of it?[16:40]<cuzzo> mkopack, well, I've written something that does exactly what I need. It works great on PC-based systems, but I want to switch to Raspberry Pi for a ton of reasons other than just cost.[16:40]* tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl20-130-170.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:40]<piofcube> The R-Pi will have software... and it will eventually come with an SD card.... Right now, you download the software from the mirrors and put it on your own SD card.[16:40]<jamesd256> you really think anyone is expected to have trouble putting linux on there?[16:40]<mkopack> So it would take like 100 JPG images and turn it into a 30 second video clip[16:40]<petschge> at 3 fps[16:41]<jamesd256> there will be ready made images and step by step instructions[16:41]<nuil> 4sec @ 25fps[16:41]<piofcube> It's not because the students must write their own... that's laughable LOL[16:41]<cuzzo> zgreg, because I need to play it seemlessly in VLC. I.E. no matter what I've done, in VLC if you change pretty much anythign from one video to the next (fps, resolution, codec) it will flicker between videos. It can't transition seemlessly. I need to be able to do that.[16:42]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[16:42]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:42]* Guest58146 (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:42]<jamesd256> where did anyone say students must write an OS? I'm confused...or maybe you are[16:42]* Naphatul (~Naphatul@77.28.134.84) has joined #raspberrypi[16:42]* xilet (~xilet@c-76-114-248-150.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:42]<zgreg> cuzzo: it'd be much easier to just write a software that does this without help of a video[16:42]<mchou> cuzzo: forget it[16:42]<mchou> cuzzo: vlc has its own issues[16:42]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:42]<cuzzo> mchou, in general or on Raspberry Pi?[16:43]<mchou> never mind the lack of HW accel[16:43]<mchou> cuzzo: in general[16:43]<cuzzo> mchou, it works fine for me on PC based systems.[16:43]<piofcube> jamesd256: Some people have contacted us asking how can they use the R-Pi if there's no software for it[16:43]<cuzzo> mchou, what would you recommend?[16:43]<zgreg> mchou: vlc actually supports openmax accelerated decoding :)[16:43]<jamesd256> but who said there's no software for it?[16:43]<piofcube> because of the BBC reports[16:43]<mchou> cuzzo: recommend for what exactly?[16:43]<drazyl> piofcube - where is that from?[16:43]<zgreg> mchou: likely it doesn't work on the raspi as-is, but it should be possible to get it to work[16:43]<jamesd256> it's documented that fedora will be endorsed and supplied[16:44]<jamesd256> maybe our wires are crossed[16:44]<jamesd256> i don't know what you're actually saying[16:44]<nplus> finally got my delivery date! April 23 :)[16:44]<zgreg> cuzzo: I don't understand your use case... you want a smooth picture slideshow, right? why a video?[16:44]<piofcube> I was watching it on BBC news yesterday... They said (paraphrasing a very little bit) "The Rapberyy Pi doesn't come with software so the students can write their own"[16:44]<mchou> zgreg: like I said, vlc has issues (some pretty serious)[16:44]<zgreg> mchou: like?[16:44]<jamesd256> yes, but as I said, no sane person would take 'software' to mean the operating system[16:45]<jamesd256> you are reading it wrong[16:45]<zleap> well it comes with tools to write software, so I call software designed to write software as software.[16:45]<mchou> zgreg: like even upnp indexing[16:45]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[16:45]<drazyl> piofcube it's an odd way of phrasing it no matter what[16:45]<zgreg> mchou: who the heck cares about that when only simple media playback is needed?[16:45]<zleap> this is what happens when non techies try and report on something technical[16:45]<mchou> heck man[16:45]<cuzzo> mchou, basically, I need VLC to seemlessly show a series of videos (i.e. no transition from one to the next). A lot of programs can do this, I've just been using VLC.[16:46]<piofcube> But the reason why the R-Pi doesn't come with software right now is because you download it instead of having a disc/sd card shiped with it[16:46]* Caver (~Caver@nat1.nipltd.com) Quit (Quit: Bye)[16:46]<mchou> you playback media from a dlna server, that's when you'd care[16:46]<mchou> wtf[16:46]<zleap> piofcube, i wonder how many of therse people in the initial rush realise all this,[16:46]<cuzzo> zgreg, most of the videos are... videos. But, some of them are just images that I turn into videos so that they display seemlessly (also I need to be able to fade in/out the image in transitions). I don't know how to do this without making the image into a video.[16:46]<ReggieUK> zleap, that's what happens when non-techy people read/watch news articles about tech :D[16:46]<drazyl> cuzzo - powerpoint[16:47]<drazyl> :)[16:47]<ReggieUK> ahahaha[16:47]<zgreg> cuzzo: alright, I thought you were talking about pictures[16:47]<zleap> yeah, i have been following the forums and reading the website (rasp pi one) for a while[16:47]<jamesd256> ReggieUK, more to the point, it's what happens when people write simplified information to make it digestible to non-nerds[16:47]<cuzzo> drazyl, seriously?[16:47]<drazyl> cuzzo - no[16:47]<zleap> jamesd256, yeah good poinbt[16:47]<cuzzo> drazyl, ok. good [=[16:48]<zgreg> cuzzo: it's probably a bad idea to do this on a small ARM computer, no matter if you have hardware accelerated encoding or not[16:48]<ReggieUK> what do you propose they do instead?[16:48]<zleap> I think Linux format in the UK has a big article on the raspberry pI[16:48]<drazyl> cuzzo you probably should be encoding on a more suitable device and doing playback on the pi (if you insist on using a pi)[16:48]<cuzzo> zgreg, really? It's a lot less computationally demanding than I think it might seem.[16:48]<jamesd256> I don't propose it should be any different. What I propose is that when us nerds are together, we don't waste time mis-interpreting and debating it[16:49]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:49]<cuzzo> drazyl, it needs to generate custom videos based on the location of the device. I.E. each device needs it's own set of image videos. So, it makes the most sense to do them on device.[16:49]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:49]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:49]<jamesd256> anyone who will use one already knows they must download Linux. Problem solved.[16:50]<drazyl> cuzzo the problem is, it doesn't because the pi is not geared up to be a video production device[16:50]<jamesd256> people who don't at first realise this will quickly learn it. Again, no problem[16:50]<Hourd> i'm waiting for the rage reviews of "i plugged it in and it wouldnt boot"[16:50]<zgreg> cuzzo: re-encoding videos is very computationally intensive[16:50]<drazyl> cuzzo it makes sense to either pre-encode, or to stream in the correct format from elsewhere[16:50]<jamesd256> lol, Hourd[16:50]<cuzzo> drazyl, what if I decoded the videos and displayed them frame by frame and only generated an image and showed that faded in/out frame by frame instead of generating a video out of the image and dispalying htat?[16:50]<piofcube> jamesd256: look at the flack when people got development and education confused.. suddenly it was all about how the educational version of the R-Pi won't have a case... crazy LOL[16:51]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Client Quit)[16:51]<cuzzo> zgreg, I understand that. I'm just saying that I might be able to get around that.[16:51]<zgreg> cuzzo: that sounds like a better plan[16:51]<ReggieUK> ahh, a bit like a lack of PSU jamesd256, not worth debating[16:51]<zgreg> it's easy to fade some images with opengl[16:51]<jamesd256> I don't agree there is no PSU :)[16:52]* BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:52]<ReggieUK> indeed :D[16:52]<cuzzo> zgreg, well, I'm doing everything Python based, so I'm going to cross my fingers that PIL will do >.<[16:52]<ReggieUK> but someone mentioned about it not being in the bundle[16:52]<zgreg> cuzzo: nope, it won't[16:53]<cuzzo> zgreg, so PIL is out of the question? Ok, I'll have to do OpenGL >.<[16:53]* ico666 (~niaaa@unaffiliated/ico666) has joined #raspberrypi[16:53]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:53]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:53]<cuzzo> zgreg, oh.... crap.... Is chrome going to run super slow on Raspberry Pi?[16:53]<mchou> cuzzo: yup[16:53]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@6.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:53]<zgreg> chrome as in the web browser?[16:54]* tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl15-148-243.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[16:54]<zgreg> yes, definitely[16:54]<jamesd256> yes well, these things are going to be mass market because everyone is going to say, yay, a ?20 XBMC, and yes, there will be some mega noobs who end up sore, but it's all part of the fun[16:54]<zgreg> there's no X accel, plus the CPU is very weak[16:54]<cuzzo> zgreg, yeah. Because I use Chrome to render images based on HTML.[16:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> Hexeh has been looking at doing chromium build[16:54]<mchou> jamesd256: that's ridiculous[16:54]<mchou> jamesd256: dockstar was fun[16:54]<jamesd256> what is dockstar?[16:54]<mchou> jamesd256: and only $25[16:55]<cuzzo> mchou, slow as in it's goign to take seconds to launch/load a static webpage?[16:55]<mchou> jamesd256: google it[16:55]* mikey_w (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:55]<ReggieUK> I think that's part of the issue too, people saying the cpu is weak, kind of the point of the pi, squeeze everything you can out of less, instead of inflated bloatware that just expands to fill every last hole[16:55]<cuzzo> mchou, or slow as in it'd be painful to use it as a browser for regular use?[16:55]<traeak> hehe bbc misinformation[16:55]<mchou> ReggieUK: painful[16:55]* mike__ (~mike@pool-74-110-218-2.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:55]<ReggieUK> yes and no[16:55]<mchou> cuzzo: painful[16:56]<mkopack> Reggie: Exactly??? look at the crazy stuff we were able to do back in the 8 bit days with WAY less than 1MB ram...[16:56]<traeak> third comment on the liliputing article was awesome[16:56]<zgreg> ReggieUK: yeah, but that's not always possible. today's websites are feature-laden and bloated and a full-featured browser will always be slow on the pi[16:56]<zgreg> just to give one example[16:56]<victhor> you can get away with midori but javascript was terrible on a cortex a8...[16:56]<traeak> the rpi won't tolerate bloated api cobbling[16:56]<mchou> jamesd256: dockstar is also way more functional[16:56]<cuzzo> mchao, ok. I think it'd probably be ok for what I'm doing. It has 10 seconds launch Chrome and render the HTML. I think it could do that.[16:56]<mkopack> We learned to be efficient, smart, and really learn the limitations of the hardware instead of just doing things in a sloppy manner to get it done...[16:56]<ReggieUK> of course, I appreciate that, so there is also a lack of understanding (from some) that the pi simply won't do some stuff or if it does, it will do it slower[16:57]<cuzzo> mchou, Although, I'm worried about the memory usage. Becasue I have to do all this in a Virtual Frame Buffer.[16:57]<ReggieUK> 1/2 of it's moot though, licensing for hardware support of stuff has pretty much killed low end stuff[16:57]<mchou> cuzzo: can't help u out there[16:58]<ReggieUK> the gpu on the pi will simply eat video if the licenses were there, so it's not essentially a problem of the pi, it's a problem if licensing[16:58]* Naphatul (~Naphatul@77.28.134.84) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[16:58]<traeak> sadly that's true, however webm doesn't require licensing right?[16:58]<cuzzo> mchou, ok. NP. You've been really helpful. I appreciate it. I'm going to invest some time and see how it turns out.[16:58]<mchou> cuzzo: good luck[16:59]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@63-152-79-50.cdrr.qwest.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:59]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:00]<piofcube> well.. right now I've opened firefox with a blank about page and it's using 108MB... Anyone care to explain why this should be the case? LOL Leaner code and maybe get rid of chunks of unused features could solve a lot of this.. Oh this is a new install so I haven't installed any addons like lastpass yet.[17:00]<ReggieUK> that's pretty savage for a shitty 2d rendered webpage[17:00]* heretic_w (~314159265@host81-138-205-228.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:01]<drazyl> shared libraries[17:01]<drazyl> "gotta load em all"[17:01]<traeak> piofcube: resident or total ?[17:01]<mchou> piofcube: stop using firefox[17:01]<piofcube> traeak.. just what reported in the private working set[17:01]<mchou> piofcube: chrome is no better[17:01]<traeak> piofcube: ahh windows stuff, gotcha[17:02]<zgreg> chrome is much worse, actually[17:02]<nuil> use lynx[17:02]<nuil> or links[17:02]<zgreg> chrome is a horrible memory hog, due to the multiple processes[17:02]<nuil> or links2[17:02]<drazyl> telnet <host> 80[17:02]<mchou> chrom has the benefit of speed though[17:02]<mchou> chrome*[17:02]<traeak> html is a pita to parse, css is a pita to parse[17:02]* Kostic (~Kostic@net176-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has joined #raspberrypi[17:02]<piofcube> for a lot of stuff I woul dbe happy to go backt o gopher and archie :P[17:03]<traeak> web "standards" don't really lend themselves well to low end devices[17:03]<joejacobs> anyone here have any experience working with gumstix boards?[17:03]<zgreg> midori should be a bit better for systems with little ram[17:03]* Kostic (~Kostic@net176-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has left #raspberrypi[17:03]<jamesd256> some of ie's shared libraries are loaded with the OS[17:03]<traeak> i think that's why amazon and opera both have remote rendering options[17:03]* alyosha_sql (~a@88.200.57.130) has joined #raspberrypi[17:03]<ReggieUK> that's because content developers don't seem to give a crap about low end[17:03]<jamesd256> but firefox is bloated[17:04]<swiley> I really like how all that is handled in plan9 (with acme, 9p2000 and plumber) just completely blows html out of the water, especially for being built in the 80's[17:04]<piofcube> I'm sure web kit could also be reduced a lot... Maybe we will start seeing more low resource stuff coming back[17:05]<piofcube> maybe a gui/front end for gopher and archie ;-)[17:06]<drazyl> the problem is that web 2.0/ajax has made it much more complicated than rendering stuff statically onto a page[17:06]<abaxas> basically a supercomputer of the 80's to run a page with a few changing numbers[17:06]<abaxas> stupid[17:06]<zgreg> well, you can always disable javascript and even more, like images[17:06]<swiley> maybe we could just do everything in markdown, and expect it to look crapy, and save typesetting for typesetting (troff pdf etc)[17:06]<zgreg> but that's not a solution[17:06]<traeak> swiley: plan9 theoretically made great choices[17:07]<traeak> plan9 just never seemed to push past the "good enough" associated with all the other OS's out there[17:07]<swiley> I always hate it when people say that :/[17:07]<zleap> I have a book here that covers stuff like spider, archie etc[17:08]<SpeedEvil> archie was so awesome.[17:08]<piofcube> SpeedEvil: It sure was[17:09]<traeak> swiley: reality bites eh? well rpi could "resurrect" interest in plan9 if work goes into it[17:10]<drazyl> hmmm, "plan for pi" I like the concept[17:10]<swiley> traeak: that would be awesome! :D kind of like what there doing with riskos?[17:10]<swiley> ^riscos[17:10]<traeak> swiley: yeah, except plan9 is foundationally superior[17:10]<swiley> yes[17:10]* victhor (~victhor@177.17.104.213) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[17:10]<traeak> i think of late plan9 was forked[17:11]<swiley> it was forked by the #cat-v people[17:11]<traeak> there's inferno[17:11]<traeak> wait one[17:11]<swiley> the put minekampf in it[17:11]<traeak> plan9front[17:11]<traeak> not sure if that's getting anywhere[17:11]<traeak> and since i probablywn't havea pi for 2 months :-p[17:11]<piofcube> swiley: for a moment I thought you said minecraft... LOL[17:12]<swiley> haha :D[17:12]<traeak> ahh cat-v is plan9front gotcha[17:13]<traeak> hmm.... http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features[17:13]<traeak> looks ripe for takeover[17:13]<piofcube> I still get at least 2 emails per day... all saying similar things to "I have an idea... why don't you put minecraft on the R-pi" *sighs*[17:13]* DaQatz (~DB@pool-72-71-226-201.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:14]<traeak> heh[17:14]<DaQatz> Snow storm[17:14]<traeak> DaQatz: incoming one here[17:15]<zgreg> piofcube: what would be so interesting about that anyway?[17:15]<DaQatz> Yeah took pibot's server out[17:15]<traeak> stupid fiasco with newark.com and their 20USD mistake :-([17:15]<traeak> piofcube: deploy minecraft on plan9 ?[17:15]<piofcube> zgreg Might be interesting to some... but I think I might have several hundred things I would do first TBH[17:16]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:16]* issue- (~quassel@178-190-23-251.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #raspberrypi[17:16]<swiley> perhaps it would run like this: mine craft > jvm > linuxemy > 8i > plan9[17:16]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@vpn-pat1.nomadic.bris.ac.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:16]<swiley> ^linux emu[17:17]<piofcube> swiley... erm... *run*? maybe *crawl* ;-)[17:17]<swiley> it'd be horibly slow[17:17]<swiley> piofcube: haha[17:18]* DaQatz (~DB@pool-72-71-226-201.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net) Quit (Client Quit)[17:18]<piofcube> Though... I wouldn't mind seeing how dwarf fortress would work on the r-pi... but that's more out of curiosity than anything and I have many other things to do first ;-)[17:18]* DaQatz (~DB@c-24-147-35-37.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:21]<mkopack> traeak: What about the $20? Did they refund it? The person at Newark I spoke to yesterday said they were planning to do "something" for those of us who were getting charged it, but she didn't know exactly what yet.[17:21]* ico666 (~niaaa@unaffiliated/ico666) has left #raspberrypi[17:22]<swiley> mkopack, do we get it early? :D I'd rather that then a refund[17:22]<mkopack> Chances are, we'll just get charged shipping instead, which probably will be closer to $10 IMO.[17:22]<mkopack> swiley: good luck with that! LOL My order says MAY 10![17:22]<piofcube> I laughed at my Farnell order acknowledgement... "Same day dispatch (free)" hahaha[17:22]<mkopack> Be awesome to hear what the sales numbers were[17:23]<swiley> mkopack: same here :/ ah whell, that's right near my birthday :)[17:23]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[17:23]<traeak> mkopack: i think refund. I got in on the order after the 20USD charge was rescinded...i just bitched about it a bit before they corrected their mistake[17:23]<mkopack> Only saving grace is maybe they'll realize there were so many orders backlogged that they'll ramp the production up faster to catch up earlier[17:24]<traeak> i'm scare of what their S&H charges will be[17:24]<swiley> yea...[17:24]<traeak> scared even[17:24]<medelman> Hey unrelated question. I just found out from my wife that her laptop lcd screen needs to be replace because it is cracked. (she closed it with a pen in between!). It is an HP model. Is there a site that anyone here has used to purchase HP parts from?[17:24]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:24]<mkopack> traeak: Ah, see, I put my order in around 11am yesterday and they charged me for it. but then when I looked around 3pm they didn't have the charge listed.[17:24]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:24]<traeak> medelman: ebay can acutally be useful[17:24]<mkopack> medel: Check ebay[17:24]<piofcube> my order total came to ??29.46 (inc taxes)[17:24]<mkopack> People often part out pieces from broken laptops like that[17:25]<traeak> piofcube: the US part has been a fiasco[17:25]<SpeedEvil> Screens are unfortunately the most broken part[17:25]<traeak> chinese supplier maybe[17:25]* joejacob_ (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:25]<medelman> ok. Once I get the specific model number, I will have to look at that.[17:25]<piofcube> traeak yeah :([17:25]<mkopack> traeak: Eh, I doubt it's going to be $20! Remember how small this thing is! Chances are they'll throw it into a USPS flat rate box and one that small is only like $3 to ship.[17:25]<traeak> or just turnit into a built-in UPS computer[17:25]<medelman> it is a few years old, so they shouldn't be overpriced.[17:26]<SpeedEvil> mkopack: the charge is normally $20, for any part.[17:26]<traeak> mkopack: hopefully they don't profiteer off S&H like a loto f companies do[17:26]<SpeedEvil> mkopack: They may waive it, as they can simply ship the n000 to the US en-bloc, and seperate there.[17:26]<RaTTuS|BIG> treak http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273/l/for-newark-element14-customers-we-are-fixing-the-shipping-fee-error-on-raspberry-pi[17:27]<traeak> SpeedEvil: well that would be logical[17:27]<traeak> again, we just wait some more[17:27]<traeak> constant rpi theme :-p[17:27]<mkopack> Speed: Exactly??? I could understand them charging the $20 for any orders being fulfilled out of that initial 10,000 that are going to the UK??? but afterwards, they're going to bulk ship directly from China to Newark USA...[17:27]<traeak> not anywhere like the pandora though[17:27]* imnichol (~ian@somsen-129-165.winona.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[17:28]<mkopack> SWEET! Nice to get that $20 back[17:28]<mkopack> WTF is this Pandora thing you guys keep talking about?[17:28]<RaTTuS|BIG> traeak http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273/l/for-newark-element14-customers-we-are-fixing-the-shipping-fee-error-on-raspberry-pi[17:28]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c54ea.dynamic.uiowa.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[17:29]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@vpn-pat1.nomadic.bris.ac.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:29]<traeak> RaTTuS|BIG: saw that last night right before i ordered[17:29]<piofcube> all a case of a large object takes longer to alter course... The distibutors' systems didn't have a way to handle single-item sales to individuals and no-one there listened to the foundation... That's my take on it[17:29]* cousteau`uni (8a644aab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.100.74.171) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[17:29]<passstab> oh good[17:29]<traeak> RaTTuS|BIG: otherwise i wouldn't have ordered with the surcharge[17:29]<RaTTuS|BIG> right[17:30]* joejacob_ (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Client Quit)[17:30]<RaTTuS|BIG> my bet is they wil ramp up production like crazy[17:30]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:30]* gabriel9 (~quassel@92.241.143.37) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:31]<traeak> mkopack: pandora is a cortex a8 based handheld with touchscreen, physical keyboard, dual analog controllers, buttons, etc...needless to say it was "almost ready" for release for what...almost 3 years ??[17:31]<piofcube> It'll be like printing their own money[17:31]<RaTTuS|BIG> and there is still the RS load[17:31]<piofcube> Well.. I hope RS have been watching Farnell etc all and learn from that before they start taking orders[17:32]<medelman> did anyone else from the U.S. get an order in from Farnell Export before they added it to element 14 site? The order was confirmed with an estimated date of 4/23. Should I keep that order or try to preorder it through element14?[17:32]<piofcube> et all**[17:32]<RaTTuS|BIG> medelman - email them[17:32]<traeak> hmm...4/23 is just ugly[17:33]<traeak> for some reason when i ordred through element14 it said somethig like "new stock expected march 31"[17:33]<medelman> hmm[17:33]<piofcube> w/c 23rd April is my expected date also[17:33]<traeak> maybe when the rpi site gets back up and running we'll get a better idea about the timeline of the past month or so[17:34]<piofcube> and they said the internet would be the downfall of the postal services LOL[17:35]* TheShrew (~theshrew@87-194-161-58.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:36]<piofcube> at least the long wait will give me time to finish my recording studio[17:36]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:36]* M0GHY (~peterholl@188.65.96.15) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[17:36]<DaQatz> piofcube ,where are you?[17:36]<piofcube> England[17:36]<DaQatz> heh[17:36]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit)[17:37]<piofcube> I'm SSHing through one of my servers in San Jose ;-)[17:37]<DaQatz> The "heh" is more abotu the date[17:37]<mkopack> traeak: Ah, interesting.. at this point, wouldn't a Kindle Fire or iPad be a better option?[17:37]<DaQatz> Many in England had March 27[17:37]* SSgtSpoon|work (~SSgtSpoon@c-174-54-83-119.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:38]<mkopack> Yeha, I'm hoping the forums return soon...[17:38]<piofcube> I had my r-pi in my basket all day :S[17:38]<DaQatz> Sate Side had April 16th[17:38]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[17:39]<piofcube> finally could finalise the order at 1:30 this morning[17:39]<DaQatz> oi[17:39]<mkopack> lol[17:39]<mkopack> ouch[17:39]<traeak> mkopack: better option for? what blew up?[17:39]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:39]<mkopack> the Pandora[17:40]<mkopack> (sorry, had to step out before you answered, so I was late replying)[17:40]<piofcube> Once people started ordering... my bank's 3D secure verification went down for a few hours and then some router went down between me and farnell... wasn't such a good day LOL[17:40]<traeak> mkopack: ohohoh...yeah absolutely. the pandora guys screwed up...however they were among the first to see a cortex a8[17:41]<traeak> mkopack: design costs, manufacturing complexity, etc kilt them and the pandora is more expensive than a kindle fire or nook color, etc[17:41]<mkopack> yeah, that's the problem with some of these small groups designing hardware - they can't afford to buy components under large volume to get the good discounts like Apple can.[17:41]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:42]* wkl (~Conan@123.125.1.145) has joined #raspberrypi[17:42]<traeak> mkopack and IMHO they overestimated how much people value hard keyboards[17:42]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[17:42]<traeak> mkopack: and pandora predates ipad[17:43]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:43]<DaQatz> The pandora looked nice, but yeah they didn't really have the means to do it right.[17:44]<DaQatz> Showed from start to finish[17:44]<traeak> DaQatz: they wanted it to do too much.[17:45]* CasperN (~casper@81-233-58-70-no71.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:45]* datagutt_ is now known as datagutt[17:45]<mkopack> that's often the case???. Scope creep[17:46]<traeak> and i'm noticing that kids are gaming just fine with touchscreens, they don't seem to mind there's not a gamepad involved anymore[17:47]<zgreg> a gamepad is definitely required for many games[17:47]<mkopack> EH, personally, I HATE trying to use virtual joysticks??? I need the physical feedback or my thumb starts to wander[17:47]<ReggieUK> is that because of capacitive rather than resistive TS's[17:47]<ReggieUK> as resistives are pretty crappy[17:47]<traeak> how old are you guys though?[17:47]<ReggieUK> they work[17:47]<ReggieUK> me > 40[17:47]<mkopack> 39 in a couple weeks :)[17:47]<zgreg> I tried to use some emulators on my phone. they work fine, but input is so crappy with the virtual joypad, it's almost unusable[17:47]<traeak> yeah, what about a 13 or 14 yro kid? they adapt really well[17:48]* piofcube mumbles something that involves the number 40[17:48]<ReggieUK> traeak, cos they don't know any better, either way, resistive is pretty pants in the scheme of things[17:48]<zgreg> traeak: that's not the issue here...[17:48]* imnichol (~ian@somsen-129-165.winona.edu) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[17:48]<swiley> 17[17:48]<traeak> yeah i know[17:48]<OdyX> I'm 4[17:49]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:49]<swiley> I don't think a game pad is nessisary a capacitive touch screen is fine, just a primary and secondary fire button. Those really need to be seperate[17:50]<drazyl> urrr, 40-something, I forget exactly what these years[17:50]<traeak> swiley: similar response i had when i asked a buddy's kid who has an ipad[17:51]<traeak> i'm almost 40 as well :-p[17:51]<RaTTuS|BIG> lets just say I was using PET's at school[17:51]* rely_train is now known as rely[17:51]<toxibuny> I managed to get 5 in my basket on the farnell site yesterday... wonder how many else did...[17:51]<abaxas> http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?lang=en[17:51]<abaxas> might help[17:52]<toxibuny> They came a bit cheaper if you ordered multiple units[17:52]<toxibuny> Didn't buy them, like..[17:53]* Oli (~oli@ubuntu/member/oli) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:53]<mkopack> RaTT: lol, yeah we had some of those when I was in Jr. High and High school??? I still remember my 9/10th grade Math teacher giving me a crappy grade on the "Programming" assignments she would give us to do on the Pet???[17:53]<mkopack> I'd love to shove it in her face right now that I do robotics software for Lockheed and am going to be finishing up a Master's degree in CS from Drexel U, and have published books on Programming[17:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - we had 2 in the whole school when I started[17:54]<toxibuny> Will the rs and farnell pis be different, you reckon?[17:54]<drazyl> we had a single RM380Z that no one was allowed to use[17:54]<RaTTuS|BIG> mind you it's been interesting as I;ve been working with computers since forever now...[17:54]<drazyl> and boxes and boxes of punched cards[17:54]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) has joined #raspberrypi[17:55]<RaTTuS|BIG> Rm380z ... Oh my we had a couple in 6th form[17:55]<mkopack> toxi: Probably will have some parts from different suppliers, so things like the Composite connector might be a different color, but otherwise, I would imagine it will be largely identical[17:55]<ctyler> toxibuny: the first ones are from the same batch. Later ones will be manufactured by the distributors under license, so they may have minor cosmetic variations, I suppose[17:55]<beardface> how long before the A boards start to go on sale?[17:55]<mkopack> No idea. the .org site seemed to indicate they'd go to manufacture immediately, but no sign of them on either RS or Farnell's sites[17:55]<zgreg> the A boards have become a lot more attractive now[17:56]<toxibuny> Model a is the better bet nowadays, I reckon, yeah.[17:56]<mkopack> more than they were, but I'd still prefer having the Ethernet jack and 2nd USB[17:56]<traeak> hmm....may have to ultiately cancel my 'b' order and get an 'a' instead[17:56]<beardface> i wonder how i can cancel my B pre order[17:56]<traeak> if the order is cancellable[17:57]<mkopack> why do you guys feel the A is the better choice now??[17:57]<rm> it's not better[17:57]<drazyl> depends on your requirements[17:57]<zgreg> the model B is more versatile, yes, but the model A is not really any worse if you don't require ethernet, and it is a lot cheaper[17:57]<rm> WTF do you do with a board with no LAN[17:57]<beardface> I dont need ethernet[17:57]<mkopack> I mean, maybe if you're planing to go wifi right away???.[17:57]<traeak> mkopack: with the same amount of ram it's now a real acceptable option[17:57]<abaxas> plug in a ?5 wifi adapter[17:57]<beardface> using a wireless N usb dongle from DX (7 bucks) instead[17:57]<rm> and 1 USB. plug in wifi and yay no more ports[17:57]<beardface> +rm: usb hub[17:57]<RaTTuS|BIG> plug into powered hum no worries[17:57]<mkopack> but you're going to DEF need a hub unless you plan to use it via SSH[17:57]<beardface> i'm building an internal usb hub into the raspberry pi[17:58]<RaTTuS|BIG> hub*[17:58]<rm> which costs maybe half of the $10 difference if not mroe[17:58]<beardface> yay, more ports[17:58]<traeak> ultimately i *hope* to go 100% bluetooth 3.0 + HS and tether[17:58]<drazyl> rm many people will already have a hub tho[17:58]<traeak> the HS part of bt3.0 allows 24MB/s transfers[17:58]<drazyl> and if you are planning on using it as a media device, once it's up and running you don't need a keyboard on it[17:58]<toxibuny> The model a has no Ethernet/hub chip in-between the gibbons and the outside world. There's been speculation that it'll allow the raspi to work in device mode.[17:58]<Hourd> rm if its going to be used for something more embedded then no need for LAN[17:58]<rm> bollocks[17:59]<rm> about the device mode[17:59]<drazyl> but. personally, the B meets my requirements more[17:59]<traeak> obviously the 'b' model is more versatile[17:59]<beardface> all B model adds is an internal usb hub and ether port[17:59]<traeak> but for buying in bulk, etc the model 'a' is more attractive[18:00]<beardface> you can make the A just as versatile[18:00]* armelf_ (~luser@80.214.1.14) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:00]<toxibuny> I'm just saying what I read on the forums. It'd need drivers, etc. Though[18:00]<mkopack> Really just depends on your needs...[18:00]<beardface> i plan to buy a few of each[18:00]<traeak> the ram was the biggest killer of the 'a' model before[18:00]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@6.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:00]<beardface> 3 of them are still cheaper than 1 beagle board[18:00]<toxibuny> Yep[18:00]<weasel> does RS have any by now?[18:01]<drazyl> model A probably makes more sense in a school lab environment[18:01]<RaTTuS|BIG> weasel no still express your iunterest[18:01]<weasel> ...[18:01]<RaTTuS|BIG> but http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi[18:01]<traeak> drazyl: depends on if the rpi is used for embedded or computing[18:01]<mkopack> drazyl: I wouldn't say that??? They'd have to buy hubs to hook KB+Mouse to them, and rely on wifi then...[18:01]<drazyl> mkopack no need for them to be on any network if you are teaching programming on the device[18:02]<RaTTuS|BIG> but if you have expressed your interesty then you may get an emaiul telling how to order tomorrow?[18:02]<weasel> nope[18:02]<drazyl> mkopack no need for a mouse either, screen and keyboard[18:02]<traeak> oh....someone mentioned getting an 8USD usb laptop "dock"[18:02]<drazyl> traeak agreed - it's all down to how you want to use it[18:02]<mkopack> Yes and no??? I kinda like being able to google for help to solving problems, and bring up documentation...[18:02]<traeak> pairing up a model 'a' with one of those would be handy in a lab situation[18:02]<drazyl> mkopack - I am assuming a formal computing course with material and a teacher, like wot we used to teach[18:03]* cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.78.40.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:03]<mkopack> ah...[18:03]<mkopack> I assume you're thinking keeping the kids totally in a command line environment as well? Because linux GUI shells without a mouse is PAINFUL[18:03]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[18:03]<drazyl> mkopack keeps the little darlings off farmville during the lesson too :)[18:04]* diplo (~diplo@cpc1-trow1-0-0-cust13.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:04]<traeak> in fact thinking about it...that would be the best way to deploy...student carries around his rpi and just plugs it into the usb2 dock that alreayd has ethernet, keyboard, mouse, display wired into it[18:04]<toxibuny> A 1 quid unpowered hub would get you mouse and keyboard :)[18:04]<traeak> anyways[18:05]<mkopack> traeak: Those USB hubs usually don't do video though??? So probably need to hook up power, usb and HDMI[18:05]<mkopack> I tell you, the power jack is the thing that worries me the most???[18:05]<traeak> mkopack: yeah, i'm lookign for the so called 8USD one...[18:05]* happy_soil_ (4e568301@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.86.131.1) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[18:05]<mkopack> That Micro USB jack just looks WAY too easy to snap[18:06]<rm> now, this is impressive[18:06]<drazyl> edu variant is supposed to have a case, that should help[18:06]<toxibuny> What drayzl said[18:06]<rm> RS'es Russian branch has translated the register interest page[18:06]<DaQatz> Easy to find powered hubs, only issue is many feed pack into the system do to shoddy design.[18:06]<rm> and put it up on ru.rsdelivers.com. didn't expect them to[18:07]* armelf_ (~luser@80.214.9.28) has joined #raspberrypi[18:07]<DaQatz> mkopack, ever tried the ratpoison UI for linux?[18:07]<mkopack> Nope[18:07]<DaQatz> Designed to use with no mouse[18:07]<lars_t_h> mkopack, "... too easy to snap" - yes, if is does i am the happy owner of a soldering iron, wich i know how to use[18:08]<traeak> lars_t_h: hope so...my n900 microusb is bad...took it apart and talk about an impossible repair![18:08]* TheShrew (~theshrew@87-194-161-58.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[18:09]<drazyl> could always tape it all down and just unplug the other end of the cable[18:09]<traeak> looks liek theres tons more room for repairs on the rpi board though[18:09]<DaQatz> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-charging-power-adapter-for-htc-black-100-240v-us-plug-52190 this plus a microusb cable look good.[18:09]<mkopack> traeak: found this??? cheapest one I've found??? http://www.amazon.com/HP-Essential-Notebook-Replicator-NK398AA/dp/B005382PXE[18:10]* cerberos (~cerberos@118.173.78.40.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) Quit (Quit: cerberos)[18:10]<lars_t_h> traeak, i guess on a Pi is is more easy, you could relove a defunct micro-usb connector and use a connect a black wire to GND, and a red wire to where +5 volt is[18:11]<lars_t_h> LOL - i has a bad keyboard i guss s/relove/remove[18:11]<mkopack> I'm more concerned with the prongs on the cord snapping off inside the jack on the Rpi[18:12]<mkopack> traeak: the thing is, the ones that do video over the USB I suspect will make for a HORRIBLY slow video[18:12]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:13]<traeak> mkopack: yeah...thre's no way to get around plugging/unplugging these[18:13]<jamesd256> anyone planning any case designs to share for 3d printing?[18:13]<mkopack> traeak: this one looks pretty awesome, $30.. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=usb+laptop+docking+station&hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=987&bih=691&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=996390794957374514&sa=X&ei=Wq1PT_2mE6j1sQL3-JGlDg&ved=0CO0BEPMCMAU4Cg[18:13]* myf (~myf@li245-175.members.linode.com) has left #raspberrypi[18:14]<mkopack> james: There's a huge 40+ page thread on the forums about cases??? whenever they put the forums back up on the rpi site[18:14]<lars_t_h> mkopack, video over USB - they must be insane[18:14]<traeak> slideshow over usb :-p[18:14]<beardface> i have a 3d printer if anyone needs a case[18:14]<mkopack> lars: I've seen it done??? heck, I have a 9" monitor that works over USB and is powered over it too, but the response time is like 30ms.[18:14]<lars_t_h> traeak, hehe - true[18:14]<beardface> there is one case up on thingiverse[18:15]<mjr> there are usb monitors / graphics adapters, and they can be very useful. Not blindingly high performance of course.[18:16]<drazyl> if you need a second display for extra desktop space they're probably fine[18:16]<ReggieUK> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-000-SA[18:16]* toxical (~francisco@201.164.168.57) has joined #raspberrypi[18:17]<beardface> I can make rasp pi cases in orange, black or white[18:17]<swiley> lars_t_h: it depends on what kind of video, there are people who send video over ~3khz of bandwidth[18:17]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28A85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[18:17]<lars_t_h> mkopack, a USB screen could for ticket machines and like that - useable, but not really for anyting else[18:17]<mkopack> And, keep in mind, some of these that do video over USB need drivers to work??? Which means getting them o work on Linux might be a challenge[18:17]<piofcube> anyone here be interested in participating in regular and/or one podcasts? Promoting their R-Pi projects of support stuff (like 3D printing etc)? Won't be starting it for a while until I complete my studio bit in my workshop.[18:17]<drazyl> well there's a cheap way to get VGA if it works with the Pi[18:17]<piofcube> one-off[18:18]<mkopack> draz: true??? That is one of the advantages. if you need VGA, these might be a solution for you[18:18]<mkopack> Just gonna be funny seeing that big dock hooked up to such a small computer[18:18]<drazyl> maybe you can open the case and put the pi inside :)[18:19]* roteiro (~roteiro@dslb-084-058-178-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:19]<mkopack> I just desperately want to avoid the cable nightmare that was my C64 system![18:19]<lars_t_h> piofcube, you a thinking of making a on-line magazine like Full circle Magazine, http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-58/ ? they also has podcasts[18:19]<lars_t_h> that mag is for free (free download)[18:20]<piofcube> lars_t_h: We might do something like that as we progress. These podcasts will be published by Open Indie project Dot Org.[18:20]<lars_t_h> and it is open source text and pictures[18:20]<piofcube> Creative Commons licence[18:21]<lars_t_h> piofcube, good idea, appox 210K is interested in buying a Pi, i had also read the number 2,1 mio[18:21]<beardface> are they still giving any proceeds to charity?[18:22]<beardface> or is that a statement they are wishing they never made[18:22]<mkopack> beard? the Rpi Foundation?[18:22]<beardface> yeah[18:22]<mkopack> I think they need to pay off their personal investments in the project first....[18:22]<drazyl> beardface the Foundation is a charity[18:22]<beardface> clever[18:22]<drazyl> no, that is their purpose[18:23]<beardface> i know, its clever[18:23]<beardface> and i do support it[18:23]<mkopack> But they ARE still planning to do things like that. One thing they said in the BBC article is maybe set up $1000 prizes to students who come up with interesting unique software using the Pi.[18:23]<beardface> can't wait for my son to play with the pi[18:23]<Hourd> self sustaining (no need for future donations)[18:23]<drazyl> not sure it is clever for a charitable organisation to be charity, seems common sense to me[18:23]<beardface> i agree drazy1 it is clever[18:24]<mkopack> They have a LOT of stuff left to accomplish between now and the new school year in the fall if they want to get these things into schools in time for the next year[18:24]<Hourd> mkopack: they will be hard pushed[18:24]<mkopack> yeah???[18:24]<drazyl> at least they don't have to deal with manufacturing and order sizing[18:25]<mkopack> Hopefully, once many of us start getting our hands on our units, things will progress quickly in terms of software support and documentation[18:25]<drazyl> and order fulfillment[18:25]<piofcube> mkopack very true and a great deal of it will be done by the likes of us... Doing projects which can then be used by others[18:25]<mkopack> yup, that should take a lot of pressure off them to focus on the important things to them rather than trying to keep us happy[18:25]<drazyl> Surely all it needs is a ZX81 emulator ported. It was good enough for me[18:26]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:26]<lars_t_h> mkopack, they had pushed the Pi over the ramp, that is more that others had done (other products is more like vaporware)[18:27]<traeak> with the fragility of these dumb connectors I just dont' see the pi doing well as a portable pluggable machine[18:27]<beardface> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk[18:27]* Milos (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:27]<abaxas> isnt the current version just that[18:27]<abaxas> the current version :P[18:28]<lars_t_h> drazyl, there is probably an emulator package for Linux[18:28]<drazyl> lars_t_h probably, so we're good to go[18:28]<piofcube> I believe there's a few in the official repositories LOL[18:29]<asm> http://store.cstick.com/[18:29]<drazyl> then in a few years time they can migrate to a cp/m emulator and learn the joys of call 5[18:29]<asm> another rpi hardware equivalent[18:29]<lars_t_h> traeak, maybe a Pi inside a box can protect the connectors better[18:29]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c54ea.dynamic.uiowa.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:30]<traeak> asm: price point is ridiculous on this[18:30]<asm> $200 isn't bad for a computer[18:30]<piofcube> Yeah.. bring back the old oytser terminal server![18:30]<asm> you guys are spoiled by rpi's $25 point[18:30]<traeak> $200 is typical for a netbook[18:30]<piofcube> oyster**[18:30]<asm> I think that $200 will come down pretty fast[18:31]<asm> it's probably about $40 of hardware[18:31]* kalken (~default@c80-217-200-197.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2)[18:31]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:31]* agricocb (~agricolc@unaffiliated/agricocb) has joined #raspberrypi[18:32]<mkopack> lol.[18:33]<drazyl> asm can it be used as a stand-alone computer tho - it talks about being a "companion"[18:33]<piofcube> IIRC the oyster had a 10 or 12 inch HDD with a big 2meg capacity... no park utility on it and heavy as hell... I learned to use CP/M on that with a dozed merlin terminals attached[18:33]<piofcube> dozen**[18:33]<asm> it runs ICS and ubuntu[18:34]* joeka (~joe@dslb-188-104-207-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: bye)[18:34]<asm> it has a cortex a9[18:34]<drazyl> asm that's not the question tho[18:34]<mkopack> hehe, I used to work on one of these systems back after high school??? http://www.testandmeasurement.com/product.mvc/LTX-7790-Test-System-0001[18:34]<asm> well, it has all the parts of a stand alone computer[18:34]<drazyl> asm can you just attach a screen and keyboard or does it need to plug into a computer[18:35]<unkle_george> Wait, I thought the model A has NO USB ports. Jus the microUSB which has no data pins connected.[18:35]<drazyl> asm my tv has all the parts of a computer but I cant use it as one[18:35]<asm> I think they have some custom sauce cloud stuff on it[18:35]<mkopack> Was used to do testing and fault analysis on analog circuits??? You wrote your test programs in BASIC??? GD thing was the size of like 6 fridges and I used to have to wear ear plugs all day to keep from going deaf[18:35]<unkle_george> So the only way to get data on/off would be to preload on the SDCard or the GPIOs[18:35]<lars_t_h> traeak, renember theese (Debian) package names spectrum-x11 spectrum-svga "xspect is the X11 version of Spectemu which emulates the 48k ZX[18:35]<lars_t_h> Spectrum, which uses the Z80 microprocessor."[18:35]<mjr> unkle_george, nope, one is there[18:35]<piofcube> I remember the TS80... never used them though[18:35]<mkopack> Ah, the Trash 80.. :)[18:36]<unkle_george> That would make the A a little more useful[18:36]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) has left #raspberrypi[18:36]<mkopack> Had one of those @ school in elementary school??? Frickin TANKS[18:36]* joejacobs (~joejacobs@cpc1-aztw22-2-0-cust234.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:36]<lars_t_h> it very fine well with a 486, 25 MHz, and a Pi is about 12x times faster[18:36]<mjr> unkle_george, indeed, it's not meant to be useless ;)[18:37]<traeak> btw one good project...a reimplementation of the ofl "robotwars" for rpi[18:37]<mjr> basically you can make the A do anything the B does if you add a USB hub and USB ethernet (especially now that the A model's memory was bumped)[18:37]<traeak> only open source one i've seen is java[18:37]<traeak> my first programming was for my own arena bot[18:37]<piofcube> traeak... not allowed to use a remote control on them? that would de fun[18:38]<traeak> piofcube: it's ancient apple ][ software[18:38]<jamesd256> is the A model less tall, now that there is no ethernet and only 1 usb?[18:38]<jamesd256> that would be good[18:38]<piofcube> LOL... I never used apple much ;-) still I wouldn't mind seeing robotwars.. the other kind[18:38]<mjr> (though having the ethernet and enough hub for a keyboard/mouse combo in the same package in the B is useful for many uses)[18:38]* PaulForde (~paulforde@cpc2-cowc4-0-0-cust332.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:38]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[18:38]<traeak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotwar[18:38]<unkle_george> The A model would work well to turn the TV into a digital picture frame that could be remotely controlled.[18:39]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@ilrt-it005663.ilrt.bris.ac.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[18:39]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[18:39]<piofcube> call it pi-fight? j/k[18:40]<unkle_george> A picture frame for the 'unconnected' generation[18:40]<abaxas> does it do automatic useless facebook updates for you[18:40]<unkle_george> ha ... that'd be perfect[18:40]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@6.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:41]<piofcube> status update: My tv just showed this photo (LINK).[18:45]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c54ea.dynamic.uiowa.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[18:47]* jardiamj (~chatzilla@221-228-212-206-wiban.onlinemac.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:48]<mkopack> Oh god, having flashbacks of the holy war between ProDos and DOS 3.3 on the Apple 2...[18:48]<mkopack> AppleWorks??? Ugh[18:49]<piofcube> I have an old DR DOS manual somewhere[18:49]<swiley> oh man That game looks fun :)[18:49]* toxical (~francisco@201.164.168.57) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:51]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) has joined #raspberrypi[18:51]<nuil> some news about rpi guys?[18:51]<mkopack> Grrr, I wish they'd put the forums back up??? I want to find that link to getting the RPi Debian working in QEMU again[18:51]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[18:51]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) Quit (Client Quit)[18:52]<lars_t_h> mkopack, i have a link[18:52]* Doxsee (~Doxsee@6.sub-174-252-161.myvzw.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:52]<lars_t_h> mkopack, http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?ICID=hp_Raspberry Look for "download now"[18:53]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[18:53]<swiley> did anyone else get mind rover? I remember spending hours playing that game, it looks like congitoy is gone now though :([18:53]* Spikey (~chatzilla@80.71.29.65) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])[18:54]<mkopack> lars: No, I have that.. There were directions posted somewhere to get that system image working inside of QEMU[18:54]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) has joined #raspberrypi[18:55]<lars_t_h> mkopack, had you try Goggle?, they had cached pages[18:55]<mkopack> ooh, good idea[18:55]<mkopack> stupid me should have Bookmarked the page they pointed us to with the instructions when I had it open last weekend[18:56]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) has joined #raspberrypi[18:56]<pippin> mkopack: fetch a generic ARM kernel from somwhere (one named like in the commandline would do)[18:56]<pippin> mkopack: then run something like... 'qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1136-r2 -hda debian6-17-02-2012.img -kernel zImage_3.1.9 -m 192 -append "root=/dev/sda2"'[18:56]<mkopack> That page had a copy of the kernel that was already "fixed"[18:56]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:56]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:56]* ragna (~ragna@e180057229.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:57]<mkopack> I had the process mostly done, but then my Ubuntu 11.10 running inside of parallels went nuts and I had to wipe it and start over[18:57]<lars_t_h> mkopack, if you know it is on rasberrypi.org you should begin you seach with "site:raspberrypi.org" (w/o quotes - of course)[18:57]* wkl (~Conan@123.125.1.145) Quit (Quit: wkl)[18:57]* Caver (~Caver@nat1.nipltd.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:58]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) has joined #raspberrypi[18:58]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) has left #raspberrypi[18:59]* ragna (~ragna@e180059033.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[18:59]<mkopack> here we go: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/[19:00]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:01]<nuil> ty[19:01]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:01]* malandro95 (~malandro9@67.128.132.254) has joined #raspberrypi[19:02]<nuil> does the gpu can be used like[19:02]<nuil> "cuda"[19:02]* Dotted (Dotted@188.114.141.146) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:02]<Caver> cuda is a nvidia API[19:03]<nuil> i know, therefore the ""[19:03]<rm> nuil, no it can't[19:03]<rm> not until the drivers/libraries or complete datasheets are released[19:03]<rm> (i.e. never, since this is Broadcom)[19:03]<Caver> nonsence[19:03]<nuil> rm: of course, but it is possible[19:03]<Caver> OpenGL ES ... learn it, the api for it is there[19:04]<piofcube> Maybe OpenCL? ;-)[19:04]* Dotted (~Dotted@188.114.141.146) has joined #raspberrypi[19:04]<nuil> Caver: perfect,[19:04]<mkopack> nuil: They've said that *at some point* they *might* put out some sort of API to allow the GPU to be used for GPGPU stuff, but it will NOT be OpenCL or CUDA level stuff??? it'll be highly abstracted away from us??? OpenCL they've said would be too much to try to port.[19:04]<rm> Caver, they asked about so called "GPGPU"[19:04]<rm> OpenCL and friends[19:04]<mkopack> But they've also said it's very much on the back burner for them.[19:04]<traeak> librpi ! or something like that[19:05]<Caver> what do you think open GL does then?[19:05]<rm> facepalm[19:05]<rm> go learn the difference between OpenCL and OpenGL[19:05]<nuil> opengl == direct x[19:05]<mkopack> GL is graphics, CL is general computation (albeit highly parallelized)[19:06]<Caver> sighs I know the difference[19:06]<mkopack> Not saying you can't do some general stuff using the GL capabilities, but it's certainly not ideal[19:06]<piofcube> You mean I can't buy loads of r-pis for my bitcoin farm? j/k[19:06]<Caver> OpenGL ES will be accelerated[19:06]<Caver> you can perfectly well use it to do calculations, as you can read the data back[19:06]<mkopack> yeah, but it's not quite the same thing...[19:07]* iMatttt_ (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:07]<Caver> I'm just saying what JamesH wrote in the forums[19:07]<Caver> not my idea, just the expert who knows the thing inside out[19:08]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:09]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:09]* iMatttt_ is now known as iMatttt[19:09]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c54ea.dynamic.uiowa.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:09]<RaYmAn> I don't believe there even is an embedded variant of OpenCL (like OpenGL ES).. (I'm aware it's not strictly required, but the lower amount of ram and the extra constraints makes it hard to use the exact same api)[19:10]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[19:11]<piofcube> There's some movement on the embedded OpenCl front but I don't know where it is at the moment[19:11]* octeris (~Adium@35.9.32.41) has joined #raspberrypi[19:11]* Dotted^ (~Dotted@188.114.141.146) has joined #raspberrypi[19:11]<piofcube> I know MIT is doing stuff[19:13]* Dotted (~Dotted@188.114.141.146) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:13]<octeris> http://tinyurl.com/7es4oz3 - thoughts?[19:14]<mkopack> pio: won't matter unless broad com provides the support at the interface to the hardware level, which they won't without signing your life away and a huge contract[19:14]<Caver> octeris, a bunch of sulky americans who didn't get their way?[19:15]<octeris> Caver: is the delay only for Americans?[19:15]<Caver> delay what / where?[19:16]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:16]<Caver> no dates were promised[19:16]<octeris> did you even read the link? "First have months of delays"[19:16]<Caver> yup I read it[19:17]<Caver> again ... how can something be delayed ... when there isn't a finish date, just a "it'll be done when it's done" ...[19:17]<piofcube> mkopack: You may be right LOL but then again... maybe for R-Piv2 or 3[19:17]<octeris> Caver: Am I confusing this "release" with a "preorder"?[19:17]<traeak> octeris: a bit harsh[19:18]* malandro95_ (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) has joined #raspberrypi[19:18]<octeris> traeak: ?[19:18]<mkopack> pio: Let's hope there IS an RPI V2 or V3! After the way things went this week, I wouldn't be surprised if they said F it all![19:18]* malandro95 (~malandro9@67.128.132.254) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:18]* malandro95_ is now known as malandro95[19:18]<oldtopman> \o/[19:18]<traeak> i mean the reddit posting...some key things went wrong, sure but going totally negative? not cool[19:18]<oldtopman> Just bought my Raspberry pi[19:18]<Caver> octeris, yes ... you can preorder them now ...[19:18]<oldtopman> S'post to arrive mid april[19:18]<Caver> the 1st batch no you couldn't[19:18]<octeris> Caver: But the 10K units are done and "released"?[19:18]<piofcube> mkopack: Yeah, I think the people at R-Pi might have had those thoughts at some point over the past 24 hours[19:19]* malandro95 (~malandro9@199.30.184.116) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:19]<octeris> traeak: Just reactions.[19:19]* Ben64 (~Ben64@Ben64-2-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:19]<RaYmAn> I think the general issue is that people expect them to act like a big corporation. They are a non-profit foundation that wants to get a cool, cheap device out to everyone who wants it :P[19:19]<hotwings> rpi is a good example of how not to launch a product[19:19]<traeak> octeris: sure.[19:19]* Cru (~mindwarp@deep-thought.ircnet.de) has joined #raspberrypi[19:19]<lars_t_h> Caver, they just don't understand it, where is not a ras Pi for every one on the launch day, and it takes time to produce a product 4-6 weeks is not unusual[19:19]<mkopack> Hopefully after all the whining and such dies down they'll get some more appreciation for what they DID accomplish. Not saying they weren't partially to blame for the way things went on release day, but some of it was very much out of their control...[19:19]<Caver> I'm confused by this launch ... there is a launch ... for the educational guys ... and thats later this year[19:20]<octeris> RaYmAn: There's a difference between acting like a big corp and alienating your most interested parties/consumers.[19:20]<hotwings> RaYmAn - in what way do you think people expect them to act like a big corporation?[19:20]<Caver> this was a 1st chance for the geeks to get a board[19:20]<traeak> the biggest deal here is that the rpi foundation decided to hand off everything having to do wiht manufacture, sales and distribution, and lets that very small gropu focus on what they do best: system design and publicity[19:20]<Caver> a lot of people seem to be forgetting this and what the foundation is about[19:20]<mkopack> Caver: Right??? this is just the "for you hobbyists to get these in your hands so you can make cool stuff for the children to use when they get their release in the summer/fall"[19:20]<piofcube> Just wait until the R-Pis are delivered and some of the people in internetland start to complain they only received a PCB and not a computer[19:20]<octeris> traeak: Frankly their publicity has been rather disappointing surrounding the release.[19:20]<lars_t_h> childish stupid costumers[19:21]<Caver> because people got excited?[19:21]<octeris> Am I the only one who didn't get an email about the release?[19:21]<traeak> octeris: considering they aren't paid to do this and there's not a lot of precedent for the rpi release[19:21]<Caver> or that they should only sell them to friends?[19:21]<IT_Sean> octeris: no.[19:21]<Caver> or ... ?[19:21]<hotwings> octeris - nope.. nobody did[19:21]<octeris> Fantastic.[19:21]* jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) has joined #raspberrypi[19:21]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[19:21]<hotwings> yup, PR at its finest[19:21]<RaYmAn> hotwings: Look at that reddit post. Complaining about how they behaved on twitter..They were just being, you know, human :P Doing their best to get everything going as smooth as possible.[19:22]<IT_Sean> The raspi foundation people are engineers, not PR experts.[19:22]<nuil> hotwings: i got one, 2am cet, 29.feb[19:22]<lars_t_h> Caver, because they act like a child, especially those who writes hate mails[19:22]<ReggieUK> ha, yeah, liz and pr are not bedfellows[19:22]<octeris> IT_Sean: So we can refute what traeak said about publicity being one of their "best" attributes?[19:22]* iccanobif (iccanobif@host77-122-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[19:22]<Caver> octeris, are those your comments?[19:22]<Caver> are you a reporter?[19:22]<octeris> what?[19:23]<traeak> octeris: eben have done video interviews, showed up to conferences, etc[19:23]<Caver> on reddit?[19:23]<octeris> Caver: Does it matter?[19:23]<traeak> those "publicity" things have been IMHO pretty good[19:23]<Caver> I'll assume thats a yes then[19:23]<octeris> Caver: It's a no. Again, does it matter?[19:23]<hotwings> the launch was a complete mess.. but i dont think they need to be raked over the coals for it.. theyre doing ok so far for people stepping out into the world of business for the first time[19:23]<Caver> no to both?[19:23]<RaYmAn> tbh, compared to A LOT of product launches, they did quite well :P[19:23]<IT_Sean> I'd agree completly with hotwings[19:24]<traeak> hotwings: exactly. and IMHO the conditions surroudngin the RPI and its release are unique[19:24]<IT_Sean> It is incredibly difficult bringing an entrely new product to market.[19:24]<octeris> Caver: Correct. Again why does this matter? It has no bearing on me bringing discussion to this IRC and having an opinion.[19:24]<RaYmAn> Sure, they didn't do as well as apple, but they aren't quite on the same level budget-wise ;)[19:24]<traeak> who else has released anything like the rpi before? these guys have frankly done something pretty new and unique[19:24]<traeak> yeah they screwed it up but who else out there has given an example of how to do it right?[19:24]<RaYmAn> I guess if they had priced it at 100$, they could have hired PR guys and make sure it was available for everyone everywhere :P[19:24]<octeris> Caver: You seem to want to attack me personally based either being a reporter or posting links to my own comments. Neither of which are true..[19:25]* OdyX (~didier@145-134.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch) Quit (Quit: leaving)[19:25]<Caver> fair enough I was gauging the troll levels[19:25]<Caver> nothing personal about it[19:25]<octeris> Caver: Glad to know people are respected here.[19:25]<ReggieUK> Personally, i think the launch went just fine, they were never going to please everyone[19:25]<Caver> ditto[19:26]<Caver> there was no way in hell to walk it back down to the side it was meant to be[19:26]<ReggieUK> in fact, they were *bound* to disappoint 90-95% of the people that had shown interest[19:26]<RaYmAn> Didn't they sell out in like 30 minutes? (well, at least everything available to be bought)[19:26]<octeris> ReggieUK: It's more the 'way' they disappointed them.[19:26]<ReggieUK> whether it was the fubar of farnell or RS (not the foundations fault their distributors couldn't cope)[19:26]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:26]<Caver> and oh ... they put their own houses up for mortgage to come up with the manufactuing capital ... doesn't that mean they can do what the hell they like with the sales process?[19:26]<octeris> ReggieUK: And by that I do not mean product unavailability.[19:26]<ReggieUK> or the fact that most people were not going to get a pi yesterday[19:27]<ReggieUK> most people bitched about late shipping dates[19:27]<RaYmAn> I suspect everyone including RPI foundation was quite surprised at just exactly how much interest there was, heh[19:27]<ReggieUK> some bitched about the $20 handling fee on farnell[19:27]<octeris> RaYmAn: With a 100K+ mailing list that was never even notified?[19:27]<octeris> RaYmAn: Yeah right.[19:27]<Caver> yup ... sounds like farnell have screwed people over there[19:27]<ReggieUK> I think they were highly aware of the interest[19:28]<ReggieUK> hence going to a static page and buggering off down the pub after they'd watched all teh action from twitter[19:28]<mkopack> They're going back on that $20 shipping fee??? link to the notice from Farnell / Element14 was posted in here earlier[19:28]<traeak> ReggieUK: i was one of those...and the "fee" was a computer mistake which has been rectified[19:28]<Caver> oh right[19:28]<mkopack> traeak: have you checked your order status? Mine is still showing the fee...[19:28]<traeak> life goes on guys :-p[19:28]<ReggieUK> hmmmn, I do't necessarily think that it was a 'mistake' but I accept that they rectified the situation :)[19:29]<traeak> mkopack: yeah, i ordered after they fixed the product entry so i only show the $35[19:29]<ReggieUK> that is farnells usual policy for non-stocked items that are in stock in another region[19:29]<octeris> traeak: Sure but we're not here to discuss idioms. lol[19:29]<mkopack> ah[19:29]* Ben64 (~Ben64@Ben64-2-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:29]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) has joined #raspberrypi[19:29]<ReggieUK> uk gets nailed ??15 for non-uk items that get restocked via us[19:29]<mkopack> Reggie: yeah, but that should have only applied to the units being shipped out of the first 10,000 batch??? most of us did NOT get those??? so we shouldn't have continued to get the $20 charge.[19:30]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@30.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[19:30]<ReggieUK> if you went through farnell export site apparently you didn't get the $20 charge[19:30]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:30]<ReggieUK> but they're refunding it anyway, so it's not a big issue particularly[19:31]<traeak> ends up being just a delay (for me)[19:31]<mkopack> See, it's weird stuff like that - or some people being able to order multiples, etc. The totally inconsistent situation that has many people frustrated...[19:31]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:31]<mkopack> Not saying those are all the fault of the Foundation??? It was just a bad situation all around[19:31]<ReggieUK> ordering multiples is a good thing right now, imho[19:31]<hotwings> where are us people supposed to preorder from? element14?[19:31]<ReggieUK> not*[19:31]<mkopack> hot: Newark[19:31]<mkopack> search for raspberry-pi[19:32]<Caver> I think farnell screwed up totally, and the foundation reminded them of the rules ... so they've have to unpick the situation, by splitting them into one from the original batch, and rest from later batches[19:32]<mkopack> (newark IS element 14 in the states)[19:32]<hotwings> that sucks.. you cant order it[19:32]<mkopack> ?[19:33]<hotwings> http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi2.html[19:33]<hotwings> you can only sign up to get an email when its available for preorder[19:33]<mkopack> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=RASPBRRY-PCBA[19:33]<toxibuny> Where can I order one from? Finland.[19:34]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:34]<mkopack> hot: If you go to that link you can order[19:35]<mkopack> just realize, there's a LONG lead time. My order from yesterday at 11am Eastern is showing estimated ship date of May 10[19:35]* agricocb (~agricolc@unaffiliated/agricocb) has left #raspberrypi[19:35]* xlq (~apropos@89-168-185-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:36]<ewan> I'll be done with a very big work project around christmas - I figure by the time I have some proper free time these things will be freely available[19:36]<traeak> i got may 11 as my ship date[19:36]<traeak> woohoo (not)[19:36]<hotwings> hmm[19:36]<RaYmAn> at least they seem to be expecting weekly shipments from around april, lol[19:36]<traeak> "estimated" is the magic term[19:36]<hotwings> im a little sketchy about preordering without knowing the shipping charge[19:36]<RaYmAn> given the estimated delivery times people are getting[19:36]<traeak> hotwings: that's the skeery part[19:36]<lars_t_h> toxibuny, you can't order a pi, you can register you interest in getting one, you will get info later about what to do[19:37]<mkopack> If it's shipping from Newark in the USA, how much could is possibly be? The thing is TINY??? $10?[19:37]* winocm (~winocm@opensn0w/developer/winocm) Quit ()[19:37]<hotwings> im not going to assume that.. think ill call[19:37]<traeak> knowing the USPS they'd want $40 to ship it[19:37]<mkopack> My entire 80 lb mac pro shipped from china was only $80[19:37]<ReggieUK> yeah but donkeys are cheap mkopack[19:37]<Caver> lol[19:37]<mkopack> traeak: nah they'd put it in one of those stupid flat rate boxes??? like $5[19:38]<lars_t_h> ReggieUK, hehe[19:38]<mkopack> Reggie: LOL, yes, but 747's are NOT??? Mine came in 2 days[19:38]<traeak> mkopack: i know i was kind of joking...i sent out a small box last month and got hit with ~13USD or so[19:38]<ReggieUK> oh nice, that's reasonable[19:38]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) has joined #raspberrypi[19:38]<ReggieUK> I go for cheap shipping from china[19:38]<Caver> easy ... donkey, a bit of ginger ... sorted[19:38]<ReggieUK> never had anything go missing[19:39]<mkopack> traeak: I hear ya though. I made the mistake of sending my dad a CD via UPS since I was at the UPS store already to ship out another package??? $20 to ship a CD! I nearly shit.[19:39]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:39]<piofcube> argh... DRM might go into html5! *sobs*[19:39]<ReggieUK> shipping from the us kills quite frankly[19:39]<ReggieUK> as they're all fedex or ups affiliated[19:39]<Caver> tell me about it[19:39]<ReggieUK> no-one wants to chuck it in a jiffy bag and chuck over airmail[19:40]<mkopack> What annoys me is when you order from somebody here in the states, and specify UPS or FedEx and then they turn around and have USPS take over the shipment??? And it ends up taking 2 days longer and get zero tracking info...[19:40]<ReggieUK> sparkfun used to do a cheap shipping option[19:40]* davros_ is now known as davros[19:40]* alyosha_sql (~a@88.200.57.130) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:40]<ReggieUK> and sometimes you can talk an ebay seller into removing all the crappy packaging[19:41]<mkopack> Because UPS/FedEx don't like to deal with small items - costs them too much to do the delivery vs what they'll make on it??? So they give it to USPS to handle...[19:41]<Caver> I've given up, and just ask for it to be shipped to a buddy in usa, and he posts stuff on for me[19:41]<hotwings> ok, i have some information directly from newark about the shipping.. im checking what mine will be .. one sec[19:41]<traeak> just wait for gas prices to hit[19:41]* Ben64 (~Ben64@Ben64-2-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:41]* Caver opens a window[19:41]<ReggieUK> it's a shame, cos I'd do more business with the states if shipping wasn't the killer[19:41]<ReggieUK> it's like a fedex tax[19:41]<mkopack> hot cool. let us know[19:41]* afief (~quassel@46-116-187-23.bb.netvision.net.il) has joined #raspberrypi[19:43]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:44]* IT_Sean closes a window[19:44]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28A85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:44]<Caver> IT_Sean, it was all that gas ...[19:44]<IT_Sean> Whoever smelt it, delt it.[19:45]<Caver> *blushes*[19:45]<hotwings> shipping for me would be $13 by ups, $11 by fedex.. both ground service[19:45]<mkopack> That's not bad...[19:45]<DaQatz> ground service? From the UK. That should be interesting.[19:45]<hotwings> you can calculate your shipping charge using the ship from zipcode 29341, and package dimensions 9 x 6 x 3 inches[19:45]<mkopack> Obviously, will be better when you can order multiples and group the shipping together[19:45]* Ben64 (~Ben64@Ben64-2-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:45]<IT_Sean> What it really comes down to is: If you want your package quickly, but want it delivered by a poo flinging monkey, use FexEx or UPS. If you want it delivered professionally, and don't mind wating 23 months for it, use USPS.[19:45]<Caver> across canada, across the poles, via russia ... mm might be possible[19:46]<Caver> 6 months I reckon[19:46]<hotwings> us newark.com orders ship from zipcode 29341, not the uk.[19:46]<piofcube> DaQatz: Delivered by Spongbob Squarepants... He can walk on land while under water LOL[19:46]<DaQatz> USPS is any BUT professional...[19:46]<ReggieUK> uk shipping to uk is pretty cheap i think[19:46]<hotwings> there is no usps option.. its either ups or fedex from newark.com[19:46]<mkopack> damn civil servants.[19:46]<Caver> yup mine got costed at ??26.50[19:46]<hotwings> all this info came directly from newark just now (i called)[19:46]<IT_Sean> UPS / FedEx Ground service from the UK to the US is still sent via air. It's just a question of if it comes into your local airport (air service) or KEWR (ground service) and goes via truck from there.[19:47]<DaQatz> IT_Sean, figured just thought it was funny how it was phrased.[19:47]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[19:47]<hotwings> maybe this kind of info should be added to pibot[19:47]<hotwings> eu ordering info[19:47]<hotwings> us ordering info[19:48]<hotwings> !us order[19:48]<hotwings> !uk order[19:48]<DaQatz> If I have the info I can add it, after the snow storm clears enough to go restart his server[19:48]* koush (~koush@c-98-232-94-186.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:48]* Scopeuk (~scopeukfr@li187-253.members.linode.com) has left #raspberrypi[19:48]<piofcube> I looked at UPS yesterday... for a 5 day delivery by UPS from UK to USA (LA) with the same diemsions/weight at the R-Pi would cost ??65[19:48]<Caver> Ouch![19:48]<piofcube> UK Postal service for the same parcel is ??9[19:49]<IT_Sean> Where is pibot, anyway?[19:49]<hotwings> bathroom[19:49]<IT_Sean> He's been in there all day.[19:49]<DaQatz> IT_Sean, SNow storm here[19:49]<Caver> lol[19:49]<IT_Sean> DaQatz: ahh[19:49]<DaQatz> IT_Sean, Made the powder go off.[19:49]<IT_Sean> i see[19:49]* Caver opens the window again[19:49]<ReggieUK> wasn't it curry night last night?[19:50]* IT_Sean closes the window[19:50]<DaQatz> power*[19:50]* Matthew (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:50]* Space_Man (~space_man@87.127.156.98) has joined #raspberrypi[19:50]* Matthew is now known as Guest76216[19:50]<DaQatz> Need to be able to get to the server to restart, it sadly snow is till blowing.[19:51]<lars_t_h> i had done a search on @Raspberry_Pi - it looks like that a lot of ordinary people is makes comments about the Pi, not just the geeks - interesting[19:51]<DaQatz> Only half a mile though I guess I coudl walk.[19:51]<DaQatz> Not gonna drive in it though[19:52]<IT_Sean> DaQatz: don't worry about it[19:52]<DaQatz> Must been annoying when he Dc'ed and +m was still in effect[19:53]<IT_Sean> Yes[19:53]<Caver> a little yeah![19:53]<IT_Sean> That's why i set -m[19:53]<Caver> I was muzzled![19:53]<hotwings> where are you at DaQatz?[19:53]<DaQatz> hotwings, Maine in the US[19:53]<hotwings> it was actually snowing here yesterday.. but completely unexpected and bizarre[19:53]<hotwings> im in seattle[19:53]<octeris> lars_t_h: "normal people comment": why can't I buy this? why is it taking 3 months to get here?[19:53]<DaQatz> Was snowing yesterday too[19:53]<DaQatz> Just not as bad[19:54]<traeak> !w[19:54]<traeak> oops[19:54]<mkopack> hot: Yeah, crazy weather??? Central NY got slammed today (parents live there), midwest go nailed by Tornados yesterday[19:54]<DaQatz> He'll be back soon[19:54]<IT_Sean> We got a massively annoying rainstorm on the east coast. Between the rain & fog, visability was down to about 10 feet. And i was driving from VA to NJ in it. ://[19:54]<DaQatz> Do not worry[19:54]<lars_t_h> DaQatz, no snow here, unlucky you, today we had approx 15 C, blue sky, and sunshine - and it is supposed to be winter[19:55]<DaQatz> lars_t_h, Yeah been a very warm winter here too.[19:55]<hotwings> lemme know when its 32c, then ill come visit[19:55]<mkopack> 1 hour till my 2 hour long design meeting where I get to rip these UI designers a new one for being retarded...[19:55]* frankgg (cdafe116@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.225.22) has joined #raspberrypi[19:55]<jardiamj> !w[19:55]<DaQatz> This is the first real snowstorm we have had during the winter[19:55]<traeak> we just barely missed the record for snow in feb[19:55]<DaQatz> Mind you, we got a nice one in the fall.[19:55]<DaQatz> Late October[19:55]<mkopack> Glad to say we've so far managed to avoid snow altogether in Atlanta this year[19:56]<atts> it's been snowing in mass for the past 24 hours but barely anything has accumulated[19:56]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:56]<medelman> And some people think nothing is strange about the weather patterns..[19:56]<hotwings> snow in atlanta?[19:56]<lars_t_h> octeris, Sorry don't understand "why is it taking 3 months to get here?" (note: english is not my native language)[19:57]<octeris> lars_t_h: The RasPi[19:57]<mkopack> hot: We get it from time to time. Had a pretty brutal storm last Feb that basically shut the city down for a week...[19:57]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28AC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[19:58]<mkopack> Snow+Ice??? made it impossible to go anywhere??? No real equipment to clear it here[19:58]* pieman100 (~pieman@host-92-7-81-7.as43234.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:58]<hotwings> seems weird that atlanta would get snow. i thought it was real muggy there[19:58]<mkopack> From June-Sept, YES[19:59]<hotwings> too much warm gulf air.. i guess not though[19:59]<lars_t_h> octeris, understand that, but it is the "to get here" i don't understand[19:59]<mkopack> If the jet stream dips down enough, and if there's enough moisture in the air from the gulf then we can get a decent storm here.[19:59]<octeris> lars_t_h: To arrive from the UK, to be shipped to my house.[19:59]<xlq> lars_t_h: for it to be delivered[19:59]<mkopack> just doesn't happen very often??? usually like once every 2-3 years we'll get some??? often when we do get it, it's melted the next day[20:00]* Caver (~Caver@nat1.nipltd.com) Quit (Quit: Bye)[20:01]<lars_t_h> octeris, that is easy, production of pi computers takes time to do, especially if you are in the end of a very long queue of costumers[20:02]<oldtopman> Just saying, newark no longaer has a $20 handling fee (USA)[20:02]<mkopack> old Yup, we know. They will charge you for shipping however[20:02]<octeris> lars_t_h: I know I was just making jokes about how "normal people" who comment on the RasPi ask those types of questions.[20:03]<oldtopman> mkopack: Nope.[20:03]<xlq> Typically everything they've bought will have been mass produced and they aren't aware of the concept of scarcity.[20:03]* oldtopman is also in the second batch[20:04]<mkopack> there are SO many people who tried to get in on the RPi who just did ZERO research and don't really know what it is they're buying??? Many are going to be pretty surprised when they find out???. find out that it can't run windows, or Android, that it's slower than their smartphone, that it won't do Flash, that it doesn't come with the power supply, etc???..[20:04]<hotwings> i have a question about that newark order page for the rpi... the model number is listed as: RASPBRRY-PCBA .. i assume that means model A.. then the description says:[20:04]<hotwings> Features: 256Mb RAM, ARM1176JZF-S 700 MHz MPU, VideoCore IV GPU, 2 USB, Ethernet port[20:04]<mkopack> all they heard was "$25/35 computer!" and said "MUST BUY!"[20:05]<hotwings> 256MB is/was model A, but ethernet is model B.. so is RASPBRRY-PCBA model A or model B ?![20:05]<xlq> mkopack: But if it can't run Windows or Flash it's not a computer...[20:05]<mkopack> hot: No, it's the B. They just chose a REALLY unfortunate model number for the page[20:05]<traeak> mkopack: turn it around on ebay they will[20:05]<lars_t_h> it can also be bureaucracy, tax on goods, xlg, octeris[20:05]<hotwings> mkopack - has someone confirmed this with newark or do i need to call them again? :)[20:05]<mkopack> They probably got it confused when the foundation told them there were A and B models and the B was coming out first...[20:06]<mkopack> I'm going based on the specs??? and the fact that there's no A model unit anywhere on their site...[20:06]<mkopack> But feel free to call![20:07]<curahack> omfg Expected Ship Date 23 Mar 2012[20:07]<mkopack> cura: where you seeing that?[20:07]* curahack epic facepalm[20:07]<mkopack> I WISH mine was that soon[20:07]* koush (~koush@c-174-61-187-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:08]<curahack> my order details on newark[20:08]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:08]<nuil> when is the shipping date in uk for the first batch?[20:08]<mkopack> cura: You must be in that first 10000 batch then[20:09]<curahack> impossibl[20:09]<mkopack> mine is May 10[20:09]<Gadget-Mac> Has anyone put togther an order time v shipping chart ?[20:09]<acfrazier> so my order for 2 was manually processed[20:09]<acfrazier> looks like it slipped through[20:09]<mkopack> ac: nice![20:09]<acfrazier> I have a 5/10 ship date[20:09]<curahack> mkopack, how/where did you order, and how many?[20:09]<lars_t_h> octeris, ok about making jokes, but note that foreigners like me which does not has english as thier native language, jokes are the last thing they will understand - think about that[20:10]* frankgg (cdafe116@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.225.22) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[20:10]<lars_t_h> that is true for every language[20:10]<mkopack> newark, this link, just 1, yesterday at around 11am eastern US. http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=RASPBRRY-PCBA[20:10]<curahack> heh, I ordered around 8.30am[20:10]<curahack> GTM-4[20:11]* Guest76216 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:11]<mkopack> yeah, I ddn't know about the Newark being part of element14, being part of Farnell until around 10am[20:11]<xlq> Greenwich team mine?[20:12]<nuil> :D[20:12]* ceemo (5ad12dd3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.209.45.211) has joined #raspberrypi[20:12]<curahack> someone told me here on IRC, I owe him (don't remember who though)[20:12]* atts (~asheehan@146-115-165-244.c3-0.wth-ubr1.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com) has left #raspberrypi[20:13]* octeris (~Adium@35.9.32.41) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[20:13]<mkopack> Yeah, I was so tired after being up late to deal with that first hour of frustration, that I didn't want to get out of bed, so I didn't get into the office until nearly 10am and that's when I got on here and saw the link[20:14]* pieman100 (~pieman@host-92-7-81-7.as43234.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:14]<mkopack> I had tried checking newark back at like 1:30am right after the release, but couldn't' find anything.. of course, I was searching for raspberry pi, not raspberry-pi[20:15]<Gadget-Mac> Ok, I've thrown a wiki page up if anyone wants too add details about shipping date based on order time[20:15]<Gadget-Mac> http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping[20:15]<mkopack> Probably should add a column about where you ordered from (which site/link/company)[20:16]<nuil> Gadget-Mac: please use 29. Feb instead of 29/02/12[20:16]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[20:16]<mkopack> Yeah, otherwise we're going to get majorly confused since US + Euro's do dates differently[20:16]<IT_Sean> I got up at 6am EST to see if i could still order one, and was slightly cross to discover they had sold out. Now, looking at all the ordering touble, i'm rather glad i missed the 1st batch. I'm going to wait for a subsequent run to order mine.[20:16]<Gadget-Mac> Updated[20:17]<mkopack> Sean: No such thing as "subsequent run"???. it's continuous production. the longer you wait, the farther back in the queue you're going to be.[20:17]<nuil> Gadget-Mac: thanks[20:17]<IT_Sean> mkopack: i'm going to wait for the massive demand to flatten a bit. I don't mind waiting. I'm in no great hurry to get one.[20:17]<swiley> mkopack: it wasn't too bad, it's just when you live in EST and get up at 6utc you make everything out to be really bad[20:17]* mdavey (~chatzilla@mail.aminocom.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:18]<mkopack> I ordered from Newark yesterday morning and have a ship date in MAY??? imagine how far back the people who are ordering today must be![20:18]<IT_Sean> Besides... It means i can spent a little more of my "fun fund" on the new laptop i want.[20:18]<IT_Sean> *spend[20:18]<hotwings> mkopack - i just ordered.. will let you know as soon as i get an email about it[20:18]<mkopack> hot: Cool. Yeah, curious to see when your estimated ship date is[20:19]* Dotted^ (~Dotted@188.114.141.146) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:19]<hotwings> how long did it take to get your date?[20:19]<nuil> hotwings: german buys did not get one[20:19]<Gadget-Mac> hotwings: I got a revised date overnight.[20:19]<nuil> yet[20:20]<nuil> only some takes 30days[20:20]<mkopack> Like < 1 hour to get the 2 emails.[20:20]* rhx0 (~user@ip-109-91-38-190.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #raspberrypi[20:21]* iMatttt_ (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:21]* Guest14558 is now known as DoubleV[20:22]* swiley (~swiley@137.sub-75-243-23.myvzw.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:23]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@host109-151-15-72.range109-151.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:23]<mkopack> Hot: So they confirmed that is IS the model B ?[20:23]* swiley (~swiley@117.sub-75-192-106.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:23]<hotwings> i didnt call[20:23]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@host109-151-15-72.range109-151.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Client Quit)[20:23]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:23]* iMatttt_ is now known as iMatttt[20:23]<mkopack> ah??? I think you're safe...[20:23]<hotwings> took a chance based on price and description and that its true there is only model B right now[20:24]<hotwings> if its A, its going back :)[20:25]<mkopack> I'm sure somebody here would take it off your hands :)[20:26]* sousouso` (~user@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:26]<RaYmAn> I think a lot of people are going to get disappointed if that was Model A ;)[20:26]* cousteau (~cousteau@80.174.59.134.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:26]<IT_Sean> hotwings: the only thing out now is the model b[20:27]* barr5790 (~alan@cpc35-belf9-2-0-cust731.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:27]* pieman100 (~pieman@host-92-7-81-7.as43234.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:28]<Hourd> damn i only wanted an A[20:28]* malandro95 (~malandro9@67.128.132.254) has joined #raspberrypi[20:28]<IT_Sean> Hourd: you are kidding, right?[20:28]* malandro95 (~malandro9@67.128.132.254) Quit (Client Quit)[20:28]<Hourd> well i only need an A for what i have in mind[20:28]<Hourd> but no a B will do nicely[20:28]<IT_Sean> If you ordered already ,you are getting a B.[20:28]<Hourd> i have indeed[20:29]<IT_Sean> You will be receiving a model b then[20:29]<Hourd> got in pretty early[20:29]<IT_Sean> If you actually read the website at all, you would have seen that the ONLY thing out now is the B, and that the A will be coming later.[20:29]<Hourd> i know ;)[20:29]<Hourd> been following this for quite some time[20:30]<Gadget-Mac> So, on the sample of 2, 7 minutes makes a 6 week difference in delivery time http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping[20:30]<IT_Sean> aho... okies[20:30]<cousteau> so where's RPi sold?[20:31]<hotwings> depends on where youre located[20:31]<cousteau> spain[20:31]* koush (~koush@c-174-61-187-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:31]<hotwings> try "!eu orders" in a while :)[20:32]<hotwings> for instructions[20:32]<hotwings> maybe[20:32]<rm> cousteau, http://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185?Ntt=BCM2835[20:32]<mkopack> Gadget: a LOT has to do with where you are and where eyou order from as well...[20:32]<rm> but not in stock[20:32]<rm> and not even taking preorders anymore[20:32]* koush (~koush@c-174-61-187-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:33]<Gadget-Mac> I'm sure, but the more samples the better the info[20:33]<mkopack> We don't even know what's going to happen with all the people who filled out their "express interest" form at RS that morning??? I filled that sucker out like 2 minutes after they switched over the site...[20:33]<cousteau> rm, how come I didn't find that link? I went to Farnell and clicking the "Raspberry Pi" button only shows info about the board, but not actual prices[20:33]<rm> because you have to be clever[20:33]<rm> and not click the Raspberry Pi button[20:33]* kain88 (~smuxi@chello213047121188.26.11.vie.surfer.at) has joined #raspberrypi[20:33]<rm> and not Search for raspberry pi in the search box[20:33]<rm> but search for BCM2835, and you arrive on that page :PP[20:34]* pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi[20:35]<mkopack> LOL, speak of the devil. I JUST got an email from RS???.[20:35]* feep (~feep@p5B2B59DD.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:35]<mkopack> "Thank you for joining the Raspberry Pi revolution and registering your interest in Raspberry Pi???s Model B board from RS Components.[20:35]<mkopack> We have received extraordinary levels of demand for this product. To help ensure as many people as possible can experience the Raspberry Pi concept, we are limiting boards to one per customer, and we will send you further information on your request in the next seven days. Once we receive the boards into stock, they will be allocated on a first-come first-serve basis, in order of when requests were received.[20:35]<mkopack> Thank you for your patience; we will be in touch as soon as possible with more details."[20:36]<rm> okay[20:36]<mkopack> So then the question becomes, are they going to jerk me around because I'm in the USA ?[20:36]<rm> now where's mine[20:36]<cousteau> rm, oh, didn't think about it... is "BCM2835" the base64 encoding of "R-Pi"?[20:36]<rm> mkopack, btw when have you signed up with RS?[20:36]<mkopack> cousteau: That's the CPU used on the RPi[20:36]<rm> on the launch day?[20:36]<haltdef> I wonder if first come first serve means first to act on any instructions or first to have registered interest[20:36]<mkopack> rm: I filled out that interest form at like 0601 GMT release day[20:36]<cousteau> ok... however the board is not just the CPU[20:37]<rm> mkopack, ok, about the same here[20:37]<nuil> mkopack: yeap[20:37]<cousteau> it's like buying an FPGA or buying a board with an FPGA[20:37]<mkopack> "In order of when requests were received" so I assume the time you put in that you were interested[20:37]<cousteau> but ok, thanks rm :)[20:37]<rm> cousteau, point is, they redirect you to that b/s page on all searches for R Pi[20:37]<rm> but you can do a detour and search for the CPU name[20:37]<rm> and since no other page on their shop contains that CPU name, you arrive directly at the product page for R Pi[20:37]<rm> not a b/s register interest page[20:38]<rm> in fact on the russian site of Farnell I can place a preorder right now[20:38]<rm> but I am not going to[20:38]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c53e2.dynamic.uiowa.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[20:38]<rm> not going to pay 20 Euro shipping fee and wait 30 days+ for any availability[20:38]<rm> let's see what RS will have to offer[20:39]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:39]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) has joined #raspberrypi[20:39]<Aethaeryn> mkopack: I think they only ship to corporations or something. But if corporations are people, are people corporations?[20:39]<abaxas> my betting is jack all but dissapointment[20:40]<ReggieUK> rs ship to account customers[20:40]<ReggieUK> just like farnell[20:40]<mkopack> Aethaeryn: Who knows??? I'm just going to hope and keep my fingers crossed. I already have an order in with Newark, but if this one happens to get me one of those initial 10000, and arrive sooner, all the better. If they instead say "No individuals, nobody outside the UK" then no biggie, I'll just wait for my Newark ordr[20:41]<rm> ha[20:41]<rm> http://www.alliedelec.com/RaspberryPi/[20:41]<rm> ha[20:41]<rm> here's the RS'es US page!!![20:42]<rm> or pick your country here: http://www.rs-components.com/index.html[20:42]<rm> looks like all countries have an R Pi register interest page by now[20:42]<rm> probably most are even in local languages[20:43]<Gadget-Mac> mkopack: interesting, what address did the rs email come from ?[20:43]<mkopack> reply@eu.rs-email.com[20:43]<cousteau> I heard people in the electronics department of my university talking about buying some[20:43]<cousteau> would be nice to see them![20:43]<mkopack> Sorry, : RS Online <rsonline@eu.rs-email.com>[20:43]<rm> https://www.alliedelec.com/checkout/shippingrateestimator.aspx?PostalCode=90210&Country=USA&AddressType=Y&MinWeight=1&MaxWeight=10[20:43]* uen| is now known as uen[20:43]* pdp7 (~pdp7@asciipr0n.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:44]<rm> shipping is from $5 for usa[20:44]<rm> so RS will sell you an RPI for $35 + $5 in shipping[20:44]<rm> you can begin to woohoo[20:44]* Kostic (~Kostic@net176-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has joined #raspberrypi[20:44]<mkopack> I had filled out that page's info form as well rm??? So it's just going to be a wait and see[20:46]<rm> all in all, so far RS seems to be a company with their shit more tightly together than Farnell[20:47]* UnderSampled (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-028.nc.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:47]* Kostic (~Kostic@net176-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has left #raspberrypi[20:47]<mkopack> rm: to a degree, but then you can't order from RS yet either??? so we'll have to wait and see.[20:48]<Aethaeryn> rm: thanks, just registered interest[20:48]* zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:48]* zma (~zmac@c2s31-2-83-152-88-41.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Client Quit)[20:48]<hotwings> mkopack: Expected Ship Date: 05/11/2012[20:49]* Gadget-Mac checks spam folder, [20:49]<IT_Sean> bloody Belgum...[20:49]<Gadget-Mac> Hmm, nothing from RS[20:49]* IT_Sean swears a bit[20:49]<rm> nothing from RS too[20:49]<rm> and I have registered my interest on the UK, RU and Export websites of RS by now[20:49]<rm> ^^)[20:50]* paul_- (~paul@c122-106-170-224.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[20:51]<pdp7> anyone happen to know if fedora remix for RPi is available? hard to tell with the forum down and then i saw there was a channel :)[20:51]<RaYmAn> rm: did you register interest early or late? (I got one and I registered late..)[20:51]* BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) has joined #raspberrypi[20:51]<pdp7> (we'd like to mirror it on element14 like debain currently is)[20:51]<Gadget-Mac> I registered early. ~ 06:15[20:52]* gomiboy (~frodone@ppp-187-1.21-151.libero.it) has joined #raspberrypi[20:52]<ReggieUK> so, anyone got any ideas how many PI's were available yesterday?[20:52]<lars_t_h> Everybody: http://raspberrypiusergroup.com/ is online[20:52]<lars_t_h> ^unofficial ras pi forum[20:53]<ReggieUK> have there been *any* reports of people getting a confirmed ship date within 7days?[20:53]* tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl15-148-243.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[20:55]<GabrialDestruir> As far as I know except for a few claims of "March" here and there[20:55]<GabrialDestruir> everyone else starts at April 16 and goes from there[20:57]<mkopack> Hotwing: Ok, so we're probably in the same production batch[20:57]<Hexxeh> March 12th here[20:57]<GabrialDestruir> There were people saying they had friends who ordered later than them and are instead supposedly getting dates like March 23 and stuff[20:57]<Hexxeh> So 13 days[20:57]<RaYmAn> Hexxeh: Lucky bastard ;)[20:57]<hotwings> mkopack - what does your shipping method say? and which did you select from the ordering page?[20:57]<mkopack> at this point, I don't think ANY date is really a good fixed one[20:57]<Hexxeh> Up at 6AM, hammered the site solidly until 8AM when I finally got one[20:58]<mkopack> I just said "best ground"[20:58]<GabrialDestruir> Apparently there's a belief that they're allocating for Pi for UK first[20:58]<DaQatz> march 12th???[20:58]<GabrialDestruir> then the rest of the world[20:58]<hotwings> i picked 'standard delivery ground service' or whatever[20:58]<mkopack> yeah, same here[20:58]<hotwings> my invoice says it will be shipped at UPS 2nd day air at ground rate[20:58]<Hexxeh> GabrialDestruir: well people in the UK will probably get them first because they've being shipped here first[20:58]<mkopack> I figure NJ to Altlanta isn't that far[20:58]<DaQatz> Hexxeh, where do you live? So I can rob your house and take your pi[20:58]* datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: Ping Timeout (1))[20:58]<Hexxeh> DaQatz: ;)[20:59]<crackm> got one at 08:35:46 still no delivery date -_-[20:59]* ceemo (5ad12dd3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.209.45.211) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[20:59]<Hexxeh> i'd hazard a guess they didn't start selling many until about 8am because of site issues[20:59]<GabrialDestruir> When did you order yours exactly?[20:59]<Hexxeh> then they probably burned through tens of thousands within an hour[20:59]<pdp7> fwiwm, my order with Newark element14 made Feb-29 4m US CST shows March-13 expected ship date in 'My Account'. Not sure how realistic that is though.[21:00]<pdp7> *fwiw[21:00]<DaQatz> Hexxeh, You ordered your after I ordered mine then. Mine is marked for 1pril 16th[21:00]<pdp7> *4am[21:00]<GabrialDestruir> Your Order no: 29/02/2012 08:15[21:00]<Hexxeh> ordered mine at 7:56am[21:00]<GabrialDestruir> and I'm marked for April 16th[21:00]<DaQatz> GabrialDestruir, where are you?[21:00]<GabrialDestruir> US here[21:01]<DaQatz> Hexxeh, and you?[21:01]<Hexxeh> UK[21:01]<DaQatz> Okies there's the diff[21:01]<Gadget-Mac> Guys, can you update the list here http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping it'll help others understand when they might get their Pi[21:01]<GabrialDestruir> That's a ridiculous difference[21:01]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[21:01]<DaQatz> All first batch US folk get no earlier then April 16th it seems[21:01]<Hexxeh> Tbf I suspect they're not going to ship any of the first batch outside of the UK[21:01]<Hexxeh> Doesn't make sense[21:01]<GabrialDestruir> So it's going to take over a month to ship it?[21:02]<GabrialDestruir> Highly doubtful.[21:02]<Hexxeh> Might as well wait for next ones to run off the line in China, then ship those directly to the US[21:02]<GabrialDestruir> It sounds like first batch is going straight to UK[21:02]<mkopack> Hexx: I believe that's what they're doing actualy[21:02]<GabrialDestruir> then farnell's batch will go to others[21:02]<Hexxeh> Pretty much[21:02]<GabrialDestruir> Personally I think that's BS .-.[21:03]<Hexxeh> Now you know how the UK gets treated with US product launches..! :P[21:03]<Hexxeh> We get stuff months later as a general rule[21:03]<hotwings> Gadget-Mac - i dont want to register for an account just to add but ill tell you what my info is if you want to add it[21:03]<rm> LOL, I have accidentally ordered a pack of DVD+R at RS Exports[21:03]<Gadget-Mac> go for it hotwings[21:03]<GabrialDestruir> Eh, I don't care what country is doing...[21:03]<Hexxeh> Gadget-Mac: same here[21:03]<GabrialDestruir> that's stupid.[21:04]<Hexxeh> GabrialDestruir: farnell 7:56am qty 1 12th march[21:04]* prebz_ (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[21:04]<GabrialDestruir> That's like lining a bunch of people up and going "Who's from the US? Yea you first" or "Who's from the UK? Yea you first"[21:04]<pdp7> curious - for those that have an expected date, is that what you see in 'My Account' on Newark or Farnell?[21:04]<hotwings> Gadget-Mac - check your pm[21:05]<GabrialDestruir> No, I got a PDF dedicated solely to telling me my date.[21:05]* gomiboy (~frodone@ppp-187-1.21-151.libero.it) has left #raspberrypi[21:05]<pdp7> ah ok, thanks[21:05]* gomiboy (~frodone@ppp-187-1.21-151.libero.it) has joined #raspberrypi[21:06]<medelman> Gabrial, does your have W/C by the estimated date? What does that mean?[21:07]<piofcube> week commencing[21:07]* Matttt (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:07]<medelman> Thanks[21:07]<piofcube> so a 7 day window from that date[21:07]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-138-253.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:07]* Maff (maff@unaffiliated/maffw) has left #raspberrypi[21:07]<medelman> Add more time being shipped to the U.S I imagine too.[21:08]* prebz_ is now known as prebz[21:08]<medelman> since I ordered on the export site[21:08]* Shact (~Dave@cpc1-shep4-0-0-cust869.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:09]<Shact> Hey guys. Does anyone know where to download XBMC for Rpi?[21:10]<Shact> Nevermind found it :)[21:10]* Shact (~Dave@cpc1-shep4-0-0-cust869.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has left #raspberrypi[21:10]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-45.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Quit: I'm gone, bye bye)[21:10]* Hugo332 (5ab34165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.65.101) has joined #raspberrypi[21:10]<xlq> Hi Shact[21:10]<xlq> JFGI...[21:10]<GabrialDestruir> Not really sure...[21:10]<xlq> There you go.[21:10]<xlq> Bye![21:10]<GabrialDestruir> That is, I'm not really sure what it means.[21:12]* piofcube oils the revolving door to remove the squeak[21:13]<paul_-> http://www.news.com.au/technology/that-is-one-ugly-computer-but-its-35-bucks/story-e6frfro0-1226286309105[21:13]<paul_-> ugh, australian media are kinda stupid[21:13]<xlq> Ugly? Not really.[21:14]<piofcube> It contains a Linux processor, memory chips and ports for almost every plug in device you could ever need including USB, HDMI and Ethernet cables.[21:14]<cousteau> does farnell's r?? include the gpio pins as shown in the photo? or is that photo just grabbed from the r?? page?[21:14]<piofcube> Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/that-is-one-ugly-computer-but-its-35-bucks/story-e6frfro0-1226286309105#ixzz1ntk7TbXg[21:14]<piofcube> It contains a Linux processor, memory chips and ports for almost every plug in device you could ever need including USB, HDMI and Ethernet cables.[21:14]<piofcube> Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/that-is-one-ugly-computer-but-its-35-bucks/story-e6frfro0-1226286309105#ixzz1ntk7TbXg[21:14]<piofcube> oops.. sorry.. LOL[21:14]<xlq> A Linux processor?[21:14]<piofcube> Linux processor? Wow , you can get them?[21:14]<xlq> What is a Linux processor?[21:15]<paul_-> US technology company - wrong[21:15]<xlq> Git?[21:15]<piofcube> it processes linuxes I think[21:15]* mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:15]<paul_-> giving them all the parts they need including mouse, keyboard and sd card? - wrong[21:15]<xlq> Uh dear, journalists these days. All they have to do is read blogs and they *still* can't get it right.[21:16]<Pulser> a/read/copy paste from[21:16]<Pulser> s*[21:16]<IT_Sean> what the arse is a linux processor?[21:16]<mkopack> Most "journalists" get tasked with writing about things they know nothing about, they have very short deadlines so they don't really have time to do a lot of research to make sure they have al the facts right, etc.[21:16]<IT_Sean> translation: Most "journalists" are ignorant [censored]s.[21:16]<xlq> IT_Sean: Git was designed as a Linux processor but is used for all sorts of software projects :)[21:16]* sanitypassing (~sanitypas@unaffiliated/sanitypassing) has joined #raspberrypi[21:16]<paul_-> "A linux processor, memory chips and ports" lol[21:16]<unkle_george> ...LOL, and it's a UK company[21:17]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28AC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[21:17]* IT_Sean giggles as he leaves $58 worth of toll recipts on HR's desk[21:17]<xlq> Anyone got any sort of speed measurement for the pi's CPU?[21:17]<paul_-> everyone comment telling her them whoever wrote this needs to find a new job[21:17]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:17]<sanitypassing> so what the hell happened with the launch?[21:18]<mkopack> sanity: what do you mean? It happened.[21:18]<xlq> It could've gone more smoothly.[21:18]<sanitypassing> yeah.[21:18]<unkle_george> xlq: I saw some openssl benchmark numbers. Similar to Pent. 300[21:18]<sanitypassing> I've heard conflicting reports. Everything crashed, no orders were actually placed, doesn't ship to US, etc.[21:19]<sanitypassing> (I was busy all day yesterday, so I missed out on everything)[21:19]<hotwings> "It contains a Linux processor, memory chips and ports for almost every plug in device you could ever need including USB, HDMI and Ethernet cables."[21:19]<hotwings> ROFL![21:19]* mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:19]<abaxas> what?[21:19]<abaxas> it has sed built in?[21:19]<hotwings> man i can see people using that like 'all your base are belong to us'[21:19]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) has joined #raspberrypi[21:19]<mkopack> sanity: It was a bit of a cluster F??? but over the hours people figured stuff out and amanged to get orders in??? There just wasn't much useful info at the release, and the disturbs really weren't prepared at all.[21:19]<unkle_george> openssl speed http://pastebin.com/xUBaiQnk[21:19]* BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:19]<sanitypassing> mkopack: well that sucks[21:20]<traeak> ahh cool and now snow snow snow[21:20]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:20]<sanitypassing> so, any news on when the next batch'll be out?[21:20]<mkopack> sanity: 1 of the disturbs (RS) basically didn't accept actual orders at all??? The other (Farnell) didn't have info about how to order if you were outside the US, and it took a few hours for people to find out where to get to them on the various international partner distributor sites[21:20]* TheOpenSourcerer (~alord@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com) has left #raspberrypi[21:21]<mkopack> sanity: Just order now. Rolling production from here on out???[21:21]<piofcube> LMAO: If you leave a comment you get this "Feedback will be rejected if it does not add to a debate, or is a purely personal attack, or is offensive, repetitious, illegal or meaningless, or *contains clear errors of fact*."[21:21]<mkopack> So it's first come, first served[21:21]<xlq> Thanks unkle_george[21:21]<sanitypassing> hmm.[21:21]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) Quit (Client Quit)[21:21]<sanitypassing> where is the page to order? All of them just let you "register your interest"[21:21]<unkle_george> About 8x slower than an intel Atom[21:21]<sanitypassing> (US page, that is)[21:21]<IT_Sean> sanitypassing: 's sold out. You register your intent to buy, and when more are in stock, you can...[21:21]<mkopack> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=RASPBRRY-PCBA[21:21]<sanitypassing> Ok[21:22]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) has joined #raspberrypi[21:22]<IT_Sean> ... that's my understanding, anyway.[21:22]<IT_Sean> You add yourself to the queue by registering your interest.[21:22]<mkopack> sanity: Just beware - current delivery date is looking like early/mid May at this point[21:22]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:22]<hotwings> i wonder about the kernel.. do they supply patches so we can compile the newest stable linux kernel?[21:22]<mkopack> Sean: Not true. if you go to that link you CAN order right now, but you're WAY deep in the queue.[21:22]<sanitypassing> mkopack: yeah, that seems a bit ridiculous.[21:23]<sanitypassing> shit, I might just have to look into something Atom based[21:23]<xlq> hotwings: They have a git repo with a raspberry-pi branch in it.[21:23]<mkopack> sanity: Well, the 2 partners have to ramp up production and there's a TON of people who ordered, so there's a backlog[21:23]<sanitypassing> mkopack: Yeah, that's true.[21:23]<Kolin> hotwings: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux[21:23]<[\\\\\\\]> WOW[21:23]<[\\\\\\\]> They canceled one of my order[21:23]<[\\\\\\\]> orders* :([21:23]<sanitypassing> that sucks[21:23]<mkopack> \\\ who? Which site?[21:23]<IT_Sean> [\\\\\\\]: did you order more than once?[21:24]<[\\\\\\\]> IT_Sean: By accident[21:24]<IT_Sean> Well, that's why. It's one per person.[21:24]<[\\\\\\\]> IT_Sean: And I was happy about it[21:24]<unkle_george> There may be quite a few "man these things are slow" RPi's up for sale on eBay end of the year[21:24]* customtronics (~puppy@user-12l2tpe.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:24]<IT_Sean> Happy or not... it's still one per person. :p[21:24]<SpeedEvil> unkle_george: Indeed.[21:24]<xlq> unkle_george: yeah :)[21:24]<mkopack> I'm betting by end of summer![21:24]<SpeedEvil> I'm betting by the end of March.[21:24]<aditsu> hey guys, http://memegenerator.net/instance/15468595[21:24]<cousteau> what about people with split personality?[21:24]<cousteau> or siamese twins?[21:25]<IT_Sean> It's one per person, not one per personality.[21:25]<cousteau> or universities/schools?[21:25]<[\\\\\\\]> aditsu: lol[21:25]<cousteau> or talking dogs?[21:25]* des2 (~des2@pool-96-232-67-106.nycmny.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:25]<cousteau> no, really, what about universities/schools?[21:26]<IT_Sean> well, each person there could order one.[21:26]<cousteau> I guess 1 per teacher or something like that[21:26]<IT_Sean> Really... what is so hard about One. Per. Person?[21:26]<swiley> I'd blame the speed on linux (and all it's dylibs etc), honestly 60mhz should be a fine clock speed for a small computer. Especially if you want a cheap one.[21:26]* pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[21:26]* mdavey (~chatzilla@host217-35-75-188.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:26]* IT_Sean has a conference call... will return after.[21:26]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[21:26]<unkle_george> KDE + Eclipse ... not going to happen in 256Mb[21:27]<cousteau> what about LXDE + Geany?[21:27]<sanitypassing> KDE will eat your RAM, and Eclipse will eat KDE.[21:28]<unkle_george> cmdline and vim?[21:28]<sanitypassing> <3 vim[21:28]<rely> wow, i'm getting some really conflicting information from Newark[21:28]<mdavey> Liz has confirmed after RS has shipped its current allocation, next batches due in 4-6 weeks[21:28]<chris_99> do we know when RS are going to release 'em[21:29]<unkle_george> possible. Teaching programming without some help from and IDE ... pretty difficult[21:29]<rely> cool, I think newark is all manner of confused, My order shows a shiop date of may 10th. but on the product page it lists april 3rd. Also they got rid of the 20$fee[21:29]<des2> How could RS ship its current allocation ?[21:29]<unkle_george> is Geany integrated with GDB?[21:30]<Ben64> put them into boxes and send them places[21:30]<swiley> oh my gosh, teaching programing in an ide? what kind of teacher are you?[21:30]<xlq> An IDEot :)[21:30]<Henchman21> vi-ide[21:30]<Aethaeryn> I wonder what the minimum system requirements for emacs are[21:30]<swiley> the only ide a real programer might use is acme, and that's not an ide[21:31]<cousteau> what's wrong with tteaching programming on an IDE?[21:31]<chris_99> thats rather untrue swiley[21:31]<cousteau> also, does Geany count as an IDE?[21:31]<xlq> Aethaeryn: Eight Megabytes And Craploads of Swap[21:31]<swiley> really unix is enough of an die (integrated c plus shell plus debugger)[21:31]<swiley> ^ide[21:31]<sanitypassing> xlq: Exactly.[21:32]<xlq> cousteau: My friend "learnt" Java using the BlueJ IDE. Too complicated. He hadn't a clue how to even run his program outside the IDE. Didn't really understand the entry point.[21:32]<xlq> Maybe that's just the teaching though.[21:32]<Aethaeryn> xlq: Actually, it seems like it's closer to 25 MB by my estimation[21:32]<cousteau> well, the point about programming is programming, not compiling[21:32]<swiley> I learned c with notepad a dosprompt and mingw[21:33]<cousteau> compiling is also a good thing to know, but not essential when most IDEs do that for you[21:33]<mdavey> chris_99: currently, they think towards the end of next week.[21:33]<Aethaeryn> xlq: The problem with IDEs is that they do too much for you, yes.[21:33]<des2> Notepad![21:33]<swiley> I've always hated how ides way overcomplicate everything[21:33]<lars_t_h> unkle_george, you should have a look at Code::Blocks, a fine IDE for doing C and C++ programming, may also Python i can't renember[21:33]<unkle_george> A little 'help' on syntax from an IDE goes a long ways[21:33]<rely> Newark just told me how big the back log is lol.[21:33]<Aethaeryn> The problem with Java is the amount of repetition lends itself toward people wanting it automated.[21:33]<chris_99> aha cheers mdavey[21:33]<cousteau> notepad is like the "Nope!" of programming[21:33]<xlq> I learnt x86 assembly using notepad2 and nasm.[21:33]<des2> How big is the back log rely ?[21:33]<xlq> My first language was QBASIC, which had an IDE.. kind of :)[21:33]<cousteau> (along with Leafpad, let's be fair)[21:33]<rely> Looks like they have 12k units on back log, from yesterday alone.[21:33]<Aethaeryn> public class Hello { public static void main(String args[]) { System.out.println("Hello world!"); } }[21:33]<sanitypassing> IDEs are overrated. Sure, the features are nice, but do you really need them?[21:33]<Aethaeryn> I can't fault people for wanting an IDE when that's the language[21:34]<hotwings> i know rpi has a kernel git repo.. but that doesnt mean theyre up-to-date with the kernel itself[21:34]<unkle_george> lars_t_h: code blocks::blocks would be perfect for a student[21:34]<swiley> sometimes people shove the tools into the ide and force you to use them :/ that sucks[21:34]<xlq> hotwings: Merge and see if it crashes ^_^[21:34]<hotwings> lol[21:35]<lars_t_h> cousteau, it is leraning the wrong way to depend on and IDE for compilng, they should be able to do that fram a command line first[21:35]<Aethaeryn> nano is perfect for a student, since it encourages them to learn how to do things with the individual, independent CLI programs. Once it gets too complex, something like vi or emacs is sufficient.[21:35]<lars_t_h> and then go to the IDE later[21:35]<mdavey> rely: Presumably that is just for Newark US?[21:35]<lars_t_h> *learning is was[21:35]<unkle_george> Eclipse: Who calls this function -- uh Ctrl-G .. ok. Cmdline + vim: grep .. grep ... grep[21:35]* roteiro (~roteiro@dslb-084-058-178-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:35]<ironzorg> vim is perfect for anybody[21:35]<xlq> except emacs users :)[21:35]<ironzorg> prolly[21:35]<des2> As long as they don't have to use ed[21:36]<Aethaeryn> echo is good enough for anyone[21:36]<sanitypassing> god damn, Atom motherboards are expensive.[21:36]<Aethaeryn> echo "print 'hello world'" > hello.py[21:36]<des2> The new Intel Atom motherboard is $85 US[21:36]<rely> mdavey: i think so yes[21:36]<unkle_george> Any board with more ram or faster CPU is $200+[21:36]* lars_t_h has a keyboard that is going into a very low orbit around earth very soon - grrrr[21:36]<cousteau> lars_t_h, well, among other things Geany has a built-in command line, which could be used by the teacher to say "You can also do it like this. In fact we're going to compile a program linking to -lm so that you have to use it."[21:36]<hotwings> i use nano all the time.. works fine[21:36]<swiley> [sam vim emacs ed] + [sh csh bash rc] + [kenc gcc clang] = one true ide[21:36]<Aethaeryn> echo -ne "def main():\n\tprint 'even newlines work'\n\nmain()"[21:36]<sanitypassing> hotwings: heh, nano[21:36]<cousteau> hotwings, at least nano has syntax highlighting[21:36]<Aethaeryn> you really don't need an editor[21:37]<ironzorg> in fact emacs *is* an ide[21:37]<mdavey> so worldwide preorders could easilly be 6x that[21:37]<hotwings> cousteau - yup[21:37]<sanitypassing> ironzorg: Emacs is more of an operating system than an IDE[21:37]<Aethaeryn> ironzorg: emacs is like an IDE, but it doesn't get in the way.[21:37]<mdavey> across RS and Premier Element 14[21:37]<hotwings> bash + nano works fine for me[21:37]<Aethaeryn> It just happens to have IDE features because someone coded them up in elisp once[21:37]<Aethaeryn> Extensible Macros[21:37]<xlq> swiley: You've forgotten to mention the one true debugging tool.[21:37]<xlq> printf.[21:37]* gomiboy (~frodone@ppp-187-1.21-151.libero.it) has left #raspberrypi[21:37]<des2> Here I've been using 'cat > file' and I could have been using echo.[21:37]<unkle_george> Geany looks quite nice too, but doesn't look like it integrates GDB... I guess ok for perl/python etc[21:37]<traeak> 1337 users go with vim :-p[21:37]<cousteau> Aethaeryn, too complicated, use `cat >program.py` and end with ^D[21:37]<ironzorg> cat << EOF > main.c[21:37]<ironzorg> realmen.jpg[21:38]<lars_t_h> cousteau, i like Geany i use it then i am doing c programming = often, because i am creating a compiler[21:38]<Aethaeryn> cousteau: it needs to be done in one line of bash though[21:38]<swiley> oh yea gdb is really important too[21:38]<Aethaeryn> Plus if you need to edit, just press UP and use your history[21:38]<cousteau> Aethaeryn, oic[21:38]<cousteau> no[21:38]<cousteau> you use sed[21:38]<cousteau> sed -i[21:38]<traeak> swiley: unit tests + printf gets more mileage from me[21:39]<cousteau> hmm, what channel was this again? the amount of off-topic looks like ##programming[21:39]<xlq> unkle_george: My Athlon X2 seems to be only about 10x faster than the R-pi's CPU. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting something.[21:39]<hotwings> theres only so much rpi we can talk about[21:39]* paul_- (~paul@c122-106-170-224.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[21:39]<swiley> aetgearyn: make new window, type cat >./myprog.c, hit escape, type stuff, hit ^d when done[21:40]<sanitypassing> cousteau: you get a bunch of programmers / tech enthusists in one channel, and expect them to talk about one topic?[21:40]<swiley> treak: haha[21:40]<sanitypassing> I've discovered an AM3 motherboard that uses DDR2 RAM. O_o[21:41]<des2> cousteau the discussion is how suitable RPI is to learn programming and what programming tools to use on it.[21:41]<Aethaeryn> cousteau: We can't program #raspberrypi because no one has one yet[21:41]<Aethaeryn> We were talking about what can run on it.[21:41]<cousteau> des2, oooh[21:41]<Aethaeryn> e.g. what editors[21:41]<unkle_george> xlq: what benchmark are you running?[21:41]<xlq> unkle_george: openssl speed[21:41]<sanitypassing> You can use cat[21:41]<sanitypassing> and do it by hand[21:41]<cousteau> then... I say we (you) try to put Eclipse on it[21:41]<Aethaeryn> ugh[21:41]<cousteau> if it's able to run Quake it better be able to run Eclipse[21:41]<Aethaeryn> cousteau: no[21:41]<ironzorg> wtf[21:42]<sanitypassing> cousteau: Quake uses the GPU. Eclipse eats CPU/RAM as a snack[21:42]* Hugo332 (5ab34165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.65.101) has left #raspberrypi[21:42]<Aethaeryn> I had a comp sci class that used Eclipse on an old machine (which presumably was faster than #raspberrypi ) and it was sloooooooooooow[21:42]<hotwings> rpi install better come with bash and not dash[21:42]<sanitypassing> seriously, it's Java. Horribly slow[21:42]<Aethaeryn> It took like 10 minutes to launch[21:42]<ironzorg> why would you want to run eclipse on an embed machine[21:42]<cousteau> also, isn't Java some sort of ARM-oriented thing? shouldn't it run like super fast on ARM?[21:42]<sanitypassing> cousteau: lolno[21:42]<cousteau> damn[21:42]<sanitypassing> Java is a virtual machine[21:42]<xlq> type "cat", press enter, press escape, type "[32mHello, world!" and press enter ;)[21:42]<sanitypassing> it's bytecode, interpreted at runtime[21:42]<OneFix_Work> So, why are some people still getting dates like April 3rd for delivery, while some of us are seeing May 10th from the same company?[21:42]<sanitypassing> which is why it's so goddamned slow[21:42]<cousteau> sanitypassing, I heard somewhere that it somehow had some sort of ARM bytecode[21:43]<sanitypassing> cousteau: not that I've heard of[21:43]<des2> Just try to keep the RPI from paging out to disk.[21:43]<cousteau> i.e. that some ARM processors could directly run Java... or something like that[21:43]<xlq> cousteau: See: Jazelle[21:43]<hotwings> OneFix_Work - because the april 3rd guys are lying to you[21:43]<sanitypassing> I'm sure the Java VM has been ported over to ARM, but I doubt that it can compile to a native ARM executable[21:43]<sanitypassing> that's just not how Java works[21:43]<unkle_george> xlq: http://pastebin.com/4i1qZidk[21:43]<cousteau> also, I don't think my cellphone runs a pretty heavy VM and it runs Java (MicroEdition)[21:43]<sanitypassing> it compiles to a specific set of bytecode, which is then in turn executed by the Java virtual machine[21:44]<lars_t_h> sanitypassing, Java, Mono (.NET CLR), and other VMs should be forbidden on ressource constrained devices like the Pi[21:44]<des2> How much memory does your cellphone have ?[21:44]<ironzorg> xlq: "an then type reset"[21:44]<cousteau> xlq, thanks, that's what I was talking about, I think[21:44]<sanitypassing> lars_t_h: I wouldn't say forbidden, but rather discouraged.[21:44]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: Umh, I read both emails...[21:44]<sanitypassing> VM's aren't bad. Take a look at JavaScript. V8 is pretty damn fast.[21:44]<cousteau> lars_t_h, noooo! never![21:44]* ivan`` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) Quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))[21:44]<sanitypassing> It's shitty VMs with shitty implementations and optimizations that are bad[21:44]* hotwings makes up a fake email for OneFix_Work[21:44]<xlq> ironzorg: Noo, green is nice :)[21:44]<cousteau> that would put Python out of the game too![21:44]<unkle_george> AMD X4 111 004.33k ... Pi 13 680.64k[21:44]<xlq> OK, end with <Esc>[0m[21:45]<piofcube> Don't forget about Jazelle[21:45]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: No, this one had a link to the site...[21:45]<swiley> sanitypass: "vas aren't bad" (uses crapy vm as an example )[21:45]<cousteau> xlq, you don't need the 0 actually[21:45]<xlq> Oh?[21:45]<cousteau> \e[m is fine too[21:45]<hotwings> OneFix_Work you can put anything you want in a fake email O_O[21:45]<unkle_george> xlq: AMD X4 111 004.33k ... Pi 13 680.64k[21:45]<cousteau> if I recall correctly[21:45]<lars_t_h> sanitypassing, ok, i personally don't VMs on tiny devices[21:45]<xlq> cousteau: One learns something new every day :)[21:45]<sanitypassing> lars_t_h: I wouldn't either, honestly.[21:45]<Aethaeryn> It's okay, common lisp is pretty fast.[21:45]<piofcube> some ARM processors execute java bytecode in ahrdware[21:46]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: Yea, but you can't put it on the site that it links to...[21:46]* issue- (~quassel@178-190-23-251.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[21:46]<sanitypassing> as much as I love JavaScript (node), Python and Ruby, they just aren't really well suited for a low-resource environment[21:46]<hotwings> you said you saw emails, not webpages[21:46]<xlq> Lua is a bit better suited.[21:46]<hotwings> so... were you looking at an email, or were you looking at a webpage?[21:46]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: I'm not saying that I believe it, I'm just saying that I'm not seeing consistency.[21:46]<sanitypassing> xlq: Thats' true, but Lua doesn't have the same level power that other languages, such as Python have.[21:46]<cousteau> and Javascript???1??[21:47]<lars_t_h> Aethaeryn, Common Lisp <3[21:47]<sanitypassing> cousteau: D'you have a problem with JavaScript?[21:47]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: The email said it and linked to the company's web page that said it.[21:47]<xlq> sanitypassing: It's surprisingly flexible for such a simple language.[21:47]<swiley> gah we have a nice machine, why the heck do we want to run things in a vm!?![21:47]<xlq> But yeah, Lua has fewer special keystroke-saving syntax features.[21:47]<sanitypassing> xlq: that's true, but it has a limited standard library, if I recall it correctly[21:47]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: I know it wasn't "fake"...it is, however, possible that it was wrong.[21:47]<cousteau> sanitypassing, well, I see it getting shoved into many things other than web pages...[21:47]<xlq> swiley: Because it's faster than running dynamically typed programs without a VM?[21:48]<swiley> is this why we "need" 700mhz cpu clock?[21:48]<sanitypassing> cousteau: hey, node is pretty kick-ass.[21:48]<lars_t_h> Aethaeryn, common LISP compilers make very fast native code[21:48]<cousteau> also, yes, it doesn't have classes nor operator overloading. Duh.[21:48]<sanitypassing> other than that, and the browser, I'd say it is pretty overused though[21:48]<swiley> xlq do we really need dynamic typing then?[21:48]<sanitypassing> cousteau: You don't need classes.[21:48]<OneFix_Work> hotwings: I'm also wondering if they are simply cleaning out the orders with quantity > 1[21:48]<lars_t_h> someone says somwhere between C and C++[21:48]<sanitypassing> and you definitely don't need operator overloading[21:48]<xlq> sanitypassing: Yes, it takes the C approach. In fact, with a couple of exceptions, Lua only provides things that can be implemented with nothing more than the standard C library.[21:48]<xlq> swiley: No :)[21:48]<Aethaeryn> lars_t_h: you'd have to use a different compiler for ARM, though, wouldn't you?[21:48]<cousteau> yes I do! classes pleaaase!!![21:48]<sanitypassing> cousteau: GO BACK TO YOUR SILLY OBJECT ORIENTED SILLY-NESS.[21:49]<cousteau> and Python has list comprehensions!!![21:49]<sanitypassing> Seriously though, if needed, pretty much all of those features can be emulated with prototypal programming[21:49]<xlq> sanitypassing: No, it's CLOS or bust :)[21:49]<sanitypassing> var x = { }; There's your object right there.[21:49]<xlq> or in Lua, local x = { }; -- hmm, looks similar :)[21:49]<lars_t_h> Aethaeryn, the compiler is part of the Comonnon Lisp implementation, you know[21:50]<sanitypassing> var x = function() { this.sayHello = function() { console.log("Hello"); } }; There is a "class" with a "method" right there.[21:50]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:50]<sanitypassing> not hte best example, of course, but it does work[21:50]<Aethaeryn> Anyway, if you need an alternative to C/C++ on an embedded low-CPU machine, I think the only choice would be Lisp[21:50]* ivan`` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) has joined #raspberrypi[21:50]<sanitypassing> xlq: indeed[21:50]<Aethaeryn> Almost every other compiled language just compiles to C[21:50]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:50]<sanitypassing> Aethaeryn: C or C++, or if you're really unlucky, Java.[21:51]<xlq> Aethaeryn: Is using C as an intermediate language inherently bad?[21:51]<xlq> Other compiled languages whose main implementations don't compile to C: Haskell, OCaml, ...[21:51]<sanitypassing> There is a reason why everything compiles to C. When done correctly, it's damn fast[21:51]<lars_t_h> Aethaeryn, yes true, i switch between C and LISP, bash dependen on what i am doing[21:51]<mjr> almost every other? I wouldn't be so sure, at least of all implementations of them. It's certainly not uncommon.[21:51]<lars_t_h> systems programming, i use c fx[21:52]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has left #raspberrypi[21:52]<xlq> If you want essentially C semantics with a better (much, much much better) type system, try ATS (http://www.ats-lang.org/)[21:52]* no-name- (~no-name@180.237.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[21:52]* kiddesr (~scott@141.209.244.245) Quit (Quit: Changing server)[21:52]<OneFix_Work> Does anyone have a link for the rPi QEMU image?[21:52]<lars_t_h> xlq, GHC compiles to C[21:52]<sanitypassing> Ha, a Turion 64 X2 mobile processor for $5 on Amazon.[21:53]<jzaw> OneFix_Work: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/[21:53]<sanitypassing> God I love older parts. Work fine, fucking cheap.[21:53]<jzaw> use torrent OneFix_Work[21:53]<lars_t_h> ghc is a haskell compiler[21:53]<jzaw> as per that page[21:53]<xlq> lars_t_h: Really?![21:53]<Aethaeryn> lars_t_h: I don't mind Python, but it's definitely not suited for #raspberrypi[21:53]<xlq> Never noticed :P[21:53]<xlq> Well, it makes sense really.[21:53]* Hopsy|2 (~Hopsy@188.206.6.35) has joined #raspberrypi[21:53]<xlq> sanitypassing: Yeah, something to be said for that.[21:53]<Aethaeryn> I'd definitely say C and Lisp would be what you'd want to use[21:53]<swiley> forth anyone?[21:54]<Aethaeryn> xlq: I'm not sure how Haskell benchmarks[21:54]<mjr> "GHC compiles Haskell code either directly to native code or using LLVM as a back-end. GHC can also generate C code as an intermediate target for porting to new platforms. The interactive environment compiles Haskell to bytecode, and supports execution of mixed bytecode/compiled programs."[21:54]<mjr> so yes, it _can_ generate C code, though it's not the main operating mode[21:54]<Aethaeryn> All I know is that sbcl is apparently pretty fast.[21:54]* scott__ (~scott@141.209.244.245) has joined #raspberrypi[21:54]* scott__ (~scott@141.209.244.245) Quit (Client Quit)[21:54]<des2> Generating C Code is an easy way to get your language to run everywhere.[21:55]<Aethaeryn> Well, yeah, the gcc runs everywhere[21:55]<des2> So it's often used by new languages[21:55]* raaaaspi (5ec537b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.55.179) has joined #raspberrypi[21:55]<raaaaspi> hi[21:56]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[21:56]<xlq> ATS is fourth in the computer language benchmarks game.[21:56]<Iota> Hey. Did other people recieve the email from RS saying about ordering?[21:56]<Gadget-Mac> lota, not here. Have you ?[21:57]<Iota> It says at the bottom "Once we receive the boards into stock, they will be allocated on a first-come first-serve basis, in order of when requests were received."[21:57]<swiley> oh hey the sites back up[21:57]<Gadget-Mac> When did you register lota ?[21:57]<Iota> So I guess if you registeret interest early, you're looking good to get one?[21:57]<des2> I think so Iota[21:57]<Iota> I registered within like 3 seconds of the site going up probably, lol.[21:58]<des2> They also made a press release[21:58]<des2> http://www.electrocomponents.com/media/press-releases/2012/02/29th/[21:58]<Iota> Thanks.[21:59]<des2> with the shipping of products on a first come, first served basis in line with customer registrations.[21:59]* sanitypassing (~sanitypas@unaffiliated/sanitypassing) has left #raspberrypi[21:59]<Iota> It says pretty much the same thing. Hope I get one then.[22:00]<swiley> nope just the email register page is up :/[22:00]* Tube_Gardener (~shi@fw.nctc.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[22:00]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[22:00]* rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-dhwxurnjohuuatgl) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[22:00]* vyckaa (~vytenis@dyn3-82-128-188-218.psoas.suomi.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:01]* jardiamj (~chatzilla@221-228-212-206-wiban.onlinemac.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])[22:01]<cousteau> why did A get 2x RAM? there was a budget margin?[22:02]<xlq> More efficient just ordering one RAM package?[22:02]<ksx4system> where can I check estimated shipping date? Farnell[22:02]<lars_t_h> swiley, ok then we know they survived entering the pub yesterday :)[22:02]<xlq> Or maybe there was just too much grumbling.[22:02]<lars_t_h> (they are working again)[22:02]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:02]<vyckaa> Hello, I am thinking of making wimax router from Rpi, though I have a question: beceem software have this limitation "ARM/MIPS/PPC running in Big-endian mode, are[22:03]<vyckaa> not supported, is rpi processor running in big-endian?[22:03]<rm> no[22:03]<GabrialDestruir> Maybe they had a budget margin AND decided it'd be easier to dev for the device if it has the same ram as b[22:03]<DaQatz> little by default[22:03]<GabrialDestruir> meaning the only differences now is the ethernet and second USB port[22:03]<xlq> vyckaa: No, ARM is little-endian.[22:04]<DaQatz> Though I'm working on be gentoo[22:04]<xlq> I think..[22:04]<lars_t_h> vyckaa, if you can get the source code for the linux device driver, you can compile it with clang or gcc[22:04]<DaQatz> Arm is BI endian[22:04]<des2> Someone's code doesn't work based on Endianness ?[22:04]<Gadget-Mac> Are A & B now going to use the same PCB ?[22:04]* Jettis (~h0h0@a88-112-77-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[22:04]<vyckaa> thanks, then it means everything is good :)[22:04]<xlq> lars_t_h: But if the C code is using undefined behaviour, then it'll needs fixing.[22:05]<vyckaa> lars_t_h yeah source code is available[22:05]<xlq> err, *it'll need fixing. Line editing *sigh*.[22:05]* baldand (~quassel@241.14.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) has joined #raspberrypi[22:05]<lars_t_h> des2, that is bad coding style, the linux kernel has functions a kernel programmer should use to make it portable[22:05]<GabrialDestruir> The way I see it is now we don't have to worry about extra code to address different memory or worse two downloads for everything[22:05]<des2> Big difference between 128MB and 256.[22:06]<mkopack> Gadget: Always WERE usig the same pcb, just different components o it[22:06]<lars_t_h> xlq, if we know it is endaanness, and the driver is made for big -endian, the problem could be fixed[22:06]<Gadget-Mac> mkopack: So for the single usb port, there are some solder bridges then[22:07]<mjr> mkopack, so does the A just have some jump wires over the space where the hub/ethernet chip would be?[22:07]<lars_t_h> it is something about looking for bit-fiddeling[22:07]<mjr> Gadget-Mac, right :)[22:07]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[22:08]<mkopack> It just won't' HAVE the chip at all.and yeah, probably a different solder connection gets made[22:08]<DaQatz> lars_t_h, xlq, Arm's bi endian support is clever It doesn't need byte swapping when switching modes.[22:08]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[22:08]<DaQatz> lars_t_h, xlq, Just changes it addressing module[22:08]<lars_t_h> des2, both model A and B has 256 MB of RAM now, it was more inexpensive i guess[22:08]<DaQatz> Modal*[22:08]<xlq> DaQatz: How can that possibly work?[22:08]<DaQatz> sigh...[22:08]<IT_Sean> [22:09]<Gadget-Mac> Ok, great. Dosn't actually help me but could have done :([22:09]<des2> yes and that's a very good thing lars[22:09]<xlq> Oh, it doesn't allow unaligned loads/stores, does it?[22:09]<lars_t_h> DaQatz, the ARM prople is pretty smart - a shame intel won the CPU race[22:10]* Hopsy|2 (~Hopsy@188.206.6.35) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:10]<GabrialDestruir> Their new distributors probably got a good deal on 256[22:10]<GabrialDestruir> buy 20,000 for 30% off or something[22:10]<Hexxeh> Has anyone tried Chromium under some distro on the raspi qemu?[22:10]<GabrialDestruir> as opposed 10k each at full price[22:10]<Gadget-Mac> Would also explain the price drop[22:11]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[22:11]<swiley> hexxeh: I think someone did, apparently (not surprisingly though) it sucked[22:11]<lars_t_h> xlq, inside the processor you had wires that are switching the location of bits, it also cost nothing in execution time[22:11]<traeak> ARM doesn't seem to be that great an architecture and it's never been scaled very well[22:11]<DaQatz> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/Cdfgifcf.html[22:12]<lars_t_h> xlq, ^ about "... possible work?"[22:12]* medelman (42ee8952@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.238.137.82) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[22:12]<DaQatz> AS I said clever method.[22:14]<DaQatz> With their model you could easly have a system that uses both BE and LE programs.[22:16]* Jettis (~h0h0@a88-112-77-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[22:17]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:18]<lars_t_h> traeak, sorry but you are wrong, x86 archtecture are much more inefficient than the ARM archtecture[22:20]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c53e2.dynamic.uiowa.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:20]<xlq> traeak didn't mention efficiency.[22:21]<lars_t_h> ok[22:22]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[22:23]* Tube_Gardener (~shi@fw.nctc.edu) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:23]<GabrialDestruir> If ARM is more efficient, then why don't we have all ARM computers and stuff?[22:23]* swiley (~swiley@117.sub-75-192-106.myvzw.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:23]* des2 (~des2@pool-96-232-67-106.nycmny.east.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:23]<unkle_george> effecient but slow[22:24]* des2 (~des2@pool-71-190-44-247.nycmny.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:24]<hotwings> theres no single best cpu.. theyre all suited towards certain tasks[22:24]<raaaaspi> arm is about 8 times slower than the equivalent mhz in an intel atom cpu[22:24]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:24]<unkle_george> X86 does speclative execution...[22:25]<hotwings> 4 of my boxes have intel atom's[22:25]<crackm> you need to be more specific raaaaspi[22:25]<crackm> and its much faster it it works with the native IS[22:25]<unkle_george> X86 execute all the branches and pick the winner later ... not very effecient. Really fast.[22:25]<hotwings> love the atom/ion[2] combo for htpc[22:26]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-162-100.client.wireless.msu.edu) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[22:26]* SSgtSpoon|work (~SSgtSpoon@c-174-54-83-119.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:26]<DaQatz> raaaaspi, That data is a bit off.[22:26]<TheShrew> ARM have always kept low power as their priority, whereas Intel have only recently started to care[22:26]<crackm> *if[22:26]<DaQatz> raaaaspi, Used to be that way with the odl armv4 and before[22:27]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[22:27]<DaQatz> raaaaspi, Though x86 still does a lot of stuff better (Like float)[22:28]<Lerc> Efficiency is becoming the dominating factor now because the limiting factors are battery life and heat dissipation.[22:28]<des2> My 1.6GHz dial core atom board is similar in speed to a 3 GHz Pentium 4[22:28]<crackm> DaQatz it depends on what Core-Version[22:28]<DaQatz> crackm, yes it does[22:28]<DaQatz> crackm, A LOT[22:28]<des2> And uses about 12 watts.[22:28]* swiley (~swiley@143.sub-75-243-109.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:28]<hotwings> des2 - is that a d525?[22:28]<des2> D510MO[22:29]<crackm> so no need in A x times slower/faster then b ...[22:29]<raaaaspi> Until intel release that x86 cpu phone cpu they've been working on it's like comparing apples to oranges.[22:30]<xlq> Both round and nutritious, but one's blue and the other's orange.[22:30]<xlq> Come to think of it, it's time I replaced my demonstration apple.[22:31]<zleap> where can i download those image things from the rasp-pi site[22:31]<zleap> for the operating system[22:31]<raaaaspi> there should be a torrent somewhere[22:31]<zleap> ok[22:31]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) has joined #raspberrypi[22:32]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:32]<lars_t_h> zleap, the Debian image is available from http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?ICID=hp_Raspberry[22:32]<unkle_george> Info on OS for Pi: http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/18/raspberry-pi-emulator-in-ubuntu-with-qemu/[22:35]<Lerc> http://www.slideshare.net/napoleaninlondon/arm-cortex-a8-vs-intel-atomarchitectural-and-benchmark-comparisons[22:35]<pdp7> anyone know about fedora remix? we'd like to host that too at: http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi[22:36]<Lerc> in a nutshell cortex-a8 and Atom about the same performance by clock. Arm much better at performance per watt, Atom better at top speed due to higher clock rate.[22:37]<Lerc> die size and power consumption will allow Arm to increase cores better than Atom.[22:38]* mkopack (~mkopack@174-150-167-10.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)[22:38]* Vir2L (~Greg@224.231-93-216-fuji-dsl.dhcp.surewest.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:39]* baldand (~quassel@241.14.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:42]<unkle_george> In that slideshare article the found most of the Atom power went to the off chip memory controller. Once Intel integrates everything into a SOC they will be on par for power with ARM[22:43]* Yesh (~jlipps@c-98-234-53-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:43]<rm> by "on par" you probably mean "only 3x more powerhungry, not 10x"[22:43]<unkle_george> 1:1 by that article... dated last year[22:43]<unkle_george> though I find that little hard to believe.[22:44]<rm> very unlikely[22:44]<rm> the x86 instruction set won't let it achieve the same efficiency[22:44]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:44]<unkle_george> Intel can 'die shrink' to get lower power too[22:44]<crackm> they did in fact unkle_george -> result Ivy bridge[22:44]<SpeedEvil> Die shrink doesn't work if you're at the same pitch as your competitors.[22:44]<unkle_george> no... all the extra instruction decode logic burns power[22:44]<SpeedEvil> Well - it does.[22:45]<SpeedEvil> If you spend an extra billion or ten on a new fab.[22:46]<unkle_george> ok, thanks for the ivy bridge info. I can see Intel being ahead on the die shrink for quite a while with the desktop /server market paying the bill[22:47]<crackm> well the current genration of ARM's COrtex-A15 are 22nm aswell ..[22:48]<unkle_george> That's what I want in my Pi2.. A15[22:48]<crackm> *28[22:48]* jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:49]* cjbaird (~cjb@ppp121-45-168-9.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:50]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002128037189.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:52]<unkle_george> Looks like Atom won't be going to 22nm until 2013: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Cedar_Trail-M_microprocessor[22:53]* rely is now known as rely_train[22:54]* fifer (~fifer@67.208.108.228) has joined #raspberrypi[22:54]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:55]* IT_Sean is off[22:55]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)[22:55]<mdavey> pdp7: they are putting the finishing touches to the fedora port - should be announced / available next week[22:56]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:56]* The_Ball_ (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[22:57]<OneFix_Work> Has anyone figured out how to fix the QEMU error on the debian image?[22:57]<mdavey> pdp7: there is also a RISC OS, ArchLinux and a Meego Mer + XBMC distribution in the works[22:57]<crackm> @ unkle_george in fact they already did -> http://www.tsmc.com/tsmcdotcom/PRListingNewsAction.do?action=detail&newsid=6141[22:58]<mdavey> pdp7: http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardDistributions[22:59]<unkle_george> crackm: Nice. Arm has quite the leg up then.[23:00]* cousteau (~cousteau@80.174.59.134.dyn.user.ono.com) Quit (Quit: The cmake is a lie!)[23:02]* The_Ball_ (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[23:02]* koda (~vittorio@host106-71-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[23:03]* r4pha (~rapha@unaffiliated/r4pha) has joined #raspberrypi[23:03]<r4pha> ls[23:04]<r4pha> oops[23:04]* pieman100 (~pieman@host-92-7-81-7.as43234.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[23:07]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[23:07]* Matttt (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:08]<unkle_george> does anyone know _how_ the hardware h.264 decoding is supported?[23:08]<pdp7> mdavey: thanks for the info![23:08]<unkle_george> special libx264?[23:08]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[23:09]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) has joined #raspberrypi[23:10]<crackm> what do you mean by that ?[23:10]<crackm> h.264 is HW-Decoded as far I remember[23:10]* r4f3 (~R4f3@adsl-255-072.diodos.duth.gr) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:10]<xlq> It's decoded on the GPU.[23:10]<xlq> Just because it's top secret, doesn't mean it's done in hardware ;)[23:11]<unkle_george> "The Raspberry Pi Foundation has licensed MPEG-4 and H.264 codecs for the device, which the VideoCore IV GPU can accelerate."[23:11]<rm> unkle_george, I, for one, understand your question :p but don't know[23:11]<crackm> it has no other way around it xlq both cpu & gpu have not enough horsepower for other solution[23:12]<unkle_george> yeah... must be via a binary blob .lib + c headers?[23:12]<crackm> openmax is used[23:13]<unkle_george> OK ... so how do I compile Gstreamer/vlc/mplayer etc to take advantage of it...[23:14]<unkle_george> or do they pick it up automatically through the driver stack. Hmmmm[23:14]<unkle_george> The more I learn about Linux the dumber I get...[23:14]<crackm> as far I remember from forum its not automatic[23:14]<PaulForde> I take it these are proprietary ?[23:14]<crackm> openmax is a library[23:15]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Quit: .)[23:15]<crackm> which is supported by some programms[23:15]<crackm> those will work just fine on raspi[23:15]<unkle_george> Yes, the VideoCore IV stuff is propietary[23:16]<PaulForde> thought so[23:16]<crackm> vlc uses openmax to some degree as far I remember[23:17]<crackm> havent take a deeper look at it yet ...[23:19]* rhx0 (~user@ip-109-91-38-190.unitymediagroup.de) Quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))[23:21]<oddie> im gutted i missed out[23:23]* srj55 (~Steve@d173-238-1-51.home4.cgocable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:24]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:26]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:27]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) has left #raspberrypi[23:27]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@91.85.220.26) has joined #raspberrypi[23:29]<cjbaird> The proprietary stuff makes me worry it'll be a repeat of the Openmoko's "Glamo" debarcle.. They were conned into using NDA'd hardware, with the promises of working APIs and stacks they could use with the Linux firmware. Bugs and such were found and reported... and ?TI didn't do anything about it. No updates or anything, as FIC were too small-time-small-profit to worry about...[23:29]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[23:30]* vmplanet (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:30]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:30]* vmplanet is now known as unkle_george[23:31]<PaulForde> cjbaird: do you know exactly what is proprietary?[23:31]<GabrialDestruir> Isn't the only thing proprietary atm the GPU?[23:32]<xlq> The only thing proprietary at the moment is everything but the CPU and a few peripherals.[23:32]<cjbaird> A lot of points-of-failure...[23:33]<unkle_george> info on open/closed source Pi Libs: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1MTc[23:35]<unkle_george> vlc openmax support: http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2010-February/072919.html[23:36]<unkle_george> use --enable-omxil ...compile vlc to enable that by default I guess[23:36]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@ip6-27-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:37]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[23:38]<crackm> useless for us if I am not mistaken " Only 2 OpenMAX cores are currently looked for. The TI OMAP IL core (used for instance on the N900) and the Bellagio IL core."[23:38]* oldtopman is in for a long wait[23:38]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:39]<GabrialDestruir> Hasn't there been talk of the GPU going opensource though?[23:39]<GabrialDestruir> In the future?[23:39]<crackm> nope[23:40]<raaaaspi> are there any unofficial raspberry pi forums?[23:40]<OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Even if some of it did, there would likely still be some parts of the code that are licensed by broadcom that they would n't be allowed to give you access to.[23:41]* esotera (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[23:41]<unkle_george> Pretty chart on how OpenMax fits in: http://elinux.org/images/e/e0/Gst-openmax.pdf around page 20. Seems OpenMax is similar to GStreamer[23:41]* earthshine (~Mike@cpc1-orpi1-0-0-cust99.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:41]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: Like for what?[23:42]<unkle_george> Video / Audio decoder / encoder using the hardware layer[23:42]* Wolfram74 (~Wolfram74@dhcpw267c54d9.dynamic.uiowa.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[23:42]<unkle_george> gstreamer is similar to msft direct sound/show[23:43]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: The official ones have been down for two days. It would be nice to have an alternative.[23:43]* grumpyoldgit (~grumpyold@88-108-116-65.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:43]<GabrialDestruir> Ah, cause I could of sworn people were talking about it possibly going all Open Source later on.[23:43]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: Like this one? http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/index.php[23:43]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: It's a bit lifeless, but thanks.[23:43]<crackm> about vlc + raspi -> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=de&client=firefox-a&hs=8nF&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&biw=1920&bih=976&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.raspberrypi.org%2Fforum%2Ffeatures-and-requests%2Fvlcs-support-for-openmax%2F&pbx=1&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.raspberrypi.org%2Fforum%2Ffeatures-and-requests%2Fvlcs-support-for-openmax%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&[23:43]<crackm> gs_upl=15414l15414l5l15675l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&gs_l=serp.3...15414l15414l5l15676l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0[23:43]<Gadget-Mac> Thats the third forum link I've seen this evening[23:44]* rawsted (~tom@unaffiliated/rawsted) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:44]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: Well, nothing will be as popular as the official forum.[23:45]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@c-24-11-54-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:45]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: It seems to be very weird for them to take down the official forums especially when they would be needed most.[23:45]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: I assume it was to keep down on the server load.[23:45]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: It's been two days, surely that's not an issue anymore.[23:46]<crackm> ukscone told something regaring that topic[23:46]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: They may also be leaving it down until the first units go out to keep the "I can't wait for mine" posts to a minimum[23:46]<crackm> -> load is still too high[23:47]<cuzzo> Lua will install no problem on RP, right? I don't see anything that would cause any problems.[23:48]<OneFix_Work> BTW, for anyone that hasn't seen the link...here's a page with shipping estimates for all of the resellers. http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping[23:48]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: Yes, but say for example as a consumer you had just heard about this new device from the bbc article. There isn't a whole lot of information out there. Most of the information was on the forums.[23:49]* ceng (ceng@newelite.bshellz.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:49]* ceng (ceng@newelite.bshellz.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:49]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: Yea, but then again, that's another group of questions they want to eliminate..."Can I play X game on this", "Will this replace my desktop", "Can I run Windoze on this"[23:49]<des2> Consider it just part of the fiasco raaaaspi[23:49]<unkle_george> crackm: good link. That's how the hardware decoding works.[23:50]<oddie> I click on google news (without being signed in to google account) Flood's, Flood's, people dieing blah blah... Raspberry Pi :D[23:50]* swiley (~swiley@143.sub-75-243-109.myvzw.com) Quit (Quit: ZZZzzzz)[23:50]<raaaaspi> OneFix_Work: Sure there's that. It just seems to be a bit short-minded to simply shut themselves off from the world when they should be using the opportunity to create a better awareness of the device.[23:51]<unkle_george> So I'm sure the codec licensing will be limited in the OpenMax binary blob too.[23:51]<unkle_george> : ) I want to do h.264 Encoding on my Pi![23:51]<Vir2L> so did everyone in the US get an email saying estimated delivery around mid April? Or does that mean I didn't make the first cut?[23:52]<earthshine> I'm in the UK and i've been told 24th April[23:52]* victhor (~victhor@177.17.104.213) has joined #raspberrypi[23:52]<Vir2L> mine said April 16th[23:52]<OneFix_Work> raaaaspi: You have to look at the whole reason the rPi exists. It's an educational tool...the fact that it can be used as a hacking "toy" is residual...they just want to keep speculation to a minimum right now.[23:53]<OneFix_Work> Vir2L: Where did you order from?[23:53]<raaaaspi> Vir2L: From what I understand they changed it from having big batches of 10k or so to continually chucking them out straight from the factory to these two distributors[23:53]<OneFix_Work> Vir2L: BTW, mine said May 10th...[23:53]<crackm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NR57ELY28s << reminds me on that clip 1:33[23:53]* PaulForde (~paulforde@cpc2-cowc4-0-0-cust332.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:53]<Vir2L> Farnel Element 14 (the export site)[23:54]<crackm> germans donest give any data atm[23:54]<ksx4system> Vir2L: same here, 16/04/2012[23:54]<OneFix_Work> Vir2L: Oh, so you paid the extra $$$ ???[23:54]<crackm> *doesnt[23:54]<Vir2L> like $10 or so[23:55]<Vir2L> I think the extra is because they include shipping[23:55]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[23:55]<OneFix_Work> Vir2L: It's actually because it will have to be shipped from the UK[23:56]<Vir2L> yeah, and $10 to ship from UK is not bad[23:56]<raaaaspi> Mine says 23/04[23:56]* Maroni (~user@178-165-183-133.dyn.orange.at) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:57]* vyckaa (~vytenis@dyn3-82-128-188-218.psoas.suomi.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[23:57]* swiley (~swiley@143.sub-75-243-109.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:57]* tr-808 (brambles@unaffiliated/contempt) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:57]<Tomtiger11> raaaaspi: Same here[23:57]<Vir2L> ok so the dates are all relative[23:57]* swiley (~swiley@143.sub-75-243-109.myvzw.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:57]<crackm> anyone who has ordered not @ nawark or uk.farnell has some ETA ?[23:57]* swiley (~swiley@143.sub-75-243-109.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:57]<raaaaspi> I ordered at uk.farnell[23:58]<Tomtiger11> Same[23:58]* toxibuny (~toxibuny@host86-181-35-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:58]<Tomtiger11> Yesterday night[23:58]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) has joined #raspberrypi[23:58]<GabrialDestruir> You're talking Design vs Purpose.....[23:58]<GabrialDestruir> It's purpose is to be an educational tool.[23:58]<OneFix_Work> crackm: Well, ETAs are really WAGs right now, since they have only done one production run and haven't begun the continual manufacturing that they are planning to do.[23:58]<GabrialDestruir> It's design is to be a low cost hackable "machine"