Yall with all the crap happening in this country I’m thinking where or what other Western countries could/SHOULD BW be considering?

Its clear to me this country has hit rock bottom. The fact that AR 15 rifle gun sales spring through the roof after this recent Orlando tragedy, the fact the government refuses to do anything about gun control in face of the overwhelming gun violence by unhinged entitled men in this country, says things are going to get worse before they get better.

not to mention our choices for President are HILLARY CLINTON and DONALD TRUMP! (Could we be anymore FK’D?)

In addition to the overall general bullshit that black women and girls deal with in this place – CANADA is looking real good to me right now!

The fact that Australia, U.K. have successfully banned arms after mass shootings and have far and few issues with gun violence; that Sweden (or one of those Norfic countries) has the highest rate of gun ownership YET lowest rate of gun violence says the people in this country are off their rocker for the most part.

BLACK WOMEN more than any other race of women are the most affected women in USA in regards to gun violent deaths!

Many black women and YOUNG BLACK GIRLS are being killed in record numbers these days by gun violence at the hands of Black men.

So it would make sense to me that Progressive BW would look at this as a true warning that it’s time to move to more developed Western socities. Everyday I am met with the reality that America is moving backwards into a deep abyss and of course as this happens the most un protected, vulnerable group will catch it the worse BLACK WOMEN AND GIRLS.

this idea of mass exodus of groups to “greener pastures” isn’t new. It’s the foundation of American immigration.

I believe if the more able bodied of black women really decided as a collective to “BOUNCE” up outta here yo more developed SAFER western countries and socities that we could.

So what places should serious BW consider in terms of re-settling as they try to escape the inevitable that’s going to happen in America?

I say Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands.

I used to say Sweden, but it looks like they have a serious issue with rapes by Muslind who have migrated and are unwilling to uphold its Western values as they try to appease aggressive Muslims.

This country and gun violence is only going to get worse. And you better believe the one group of women must affected by it – BLACK WOMEN – will continue to be victims of it.

Always love from a Californian. I consider myself progressive blk women. I’ve meet people from each of those countries. My belief is that a person is a reflection of their country values,ethics and attitude. Canada being 1 just for approx location. New Zealand 2 but can be 1 also every “kiwi” I’ve meet talk too very nice welcoming attitude to have good convos with stranger. Netherlands ,Australia. I really wish you so a meet up. Like minded blk women in the same room. Amazing

Like Minded BW need to stick together. That is what elites of other races and culture do like Jews. While they are a small percentage of the population, they have a lot of power due to their willingness to stick together wth other like minded Jews who uphold certain values. If mor elike minded BW did this we could create our own elite.

It’s an individual decision. I wish black women would stop thinking in collective terms and just make the moves that for their own best interest. Most AA women are not getting up off there butts to do anything and go anywhere to improve their situation. When you think about it most human beings do not. That is why people get got. Some survive or even thrive but most just get got and suck it up. That is what most black women are used to doing. There are always a few folks who read the tea leaves just right and get out of dodge.

There will be no mass exodus, there will be no mass divestment from the BC, most black women are staying put. The black women who know are making moves to get out. Now for me I am staying put right here in the USA. My husband and I have investigated leaving. Did that years ago. It is not the easiest at our age and with our commitments. However we are making moves, financially, lifestyle and location-wise within this country that will make our old age that much more secure. For a lot of older people that is the best we can do and it is a viable option. If that is the best you can do then do it cause shit is about to hit the fan and if you are black, female and broke you are about to catch it. Heck broke black women are catching it now.

For you younger black women. Get out there. Get out there whether you have kids or not. Go. Be pioneers and seek your fortune anywhere on the globe that makes sense to you. Get out of the black community’s dysfunctional and destructive mind set and environment . A lot of us on these black women centered sites can see the signs. We know that really hard times are coming if you are black and poor in America. Don’t go down with the ship.

Regarding guns. I am a gun owner. So i my husband. We do not see the need for military style weapons on the streets of any US city. I know people who own this style of weapon and I have heard their reason for having them. Not convinced. That said I feel that it is too later to get them off the streets and out of the hands of the bad guys. They can get them anywhere now. We should have not opened Pandora’s box by allowing them to be sold to civilians but hear we are. Mass shooting are going to continue to happen and will be a fact of live in America as well as anywhere in the world. It is a high impact yet low probability event in several places in the world as well as the US so plan your moves accordingly.

Thank you brenda. I’m so tired of black women and their collective mentality. Sometimes I wonder of black women are afraid be an individual because they would have to develop an identity for themselves and they are scared to do so.

Yes I agree that we have to think individually for ourselves. But I still feel an obligation or sense of sisterhood with BW who “get it” sharing ways in which we as a like minded collective can better our odds at having better lives and avoiding all the things coming down the pipeline.

I believe the that true Progressive BW survival will not only be individually looking out for self, but linking up in various ways with other like minded BW by informing, enriching, encouraging each other in ways to win. That is how powerful groups survive and succeeed. They link up with others like them and who share the same values, ideas etc.

So I guess as much as I try to think on an individual basis, I still care about what happens to other like minded BW.

I understand the masses of Black women ZOMBIES aren’t going to do much but continue to mammy for Black people, Black men and Black causes while the titanic is sinking before their eyes. And to them I say “OH WELL GOOD LUCK”.

There are still quit a bit of young Black women who get it but may not have other like minded BW or people in their inner circles to discuss these things with.

Yep she is right about that. A lot of BW are going ot get eft behind. And that’s because too many ave a crabs in barrel mentality towards AL Black women or people despite them being DBR and not able to push the needle further to succeed.

So yes its a waste of time worrying about the lost. But for like minded BW survival will depend on linking up socially, economically and hell may geographically. Who knows. I just look at powerful groups who may even be minorities in various situations, who manage to stay on top. And that’s because they link up with like minded people like themselves who share same goals, values.

Even as White births and people decline, they will still for th emost part be of the elite and powerful though they will be a small percentage of population.

Its not the quantity that counts – its the QUALITY.

In Brazil which for the most part is a Black country, the smallest minority (Whites) runs it economically.

Its very possible for a small group of elite and like minded BW to succeed and survive by linking up and ensuring this.

“Even as White births and people decline, they will still for the most part be of the elite and powerful though they will be a small percentage of population.

Its not the quantity that counts – its the QUALITY.”

Thank you! I think this and have said this several times, but some people are deluded when it comes to the Browning of America topic (mostly hoteps) and think that more people equals more power. No, look at Asian Americans there are less Asian Americans than African Americans and due to upholding certain values in their culture as a group they are doing well and so are other non-white ethnic groups.

Yes I’ve heard that about Brazil because the Brazilians shown in the media are mostly the white Brazilians and if Afro Brazilians are shown they are portrayed negatively.

Yes, I remember on For Black Women Only on a post it was stated that if only 5% of black women succeed, that’s all we need.

Actually FOOS (unlike Anerica) anyone in Brazil with light skin can (and often does) register themselves as “White”. The true elite Whites are not fairer skinned Hispanics – they are of WHITE ORIGINS. They still run the country.

Because of the serious caste system in Brazil many people try to pass and claim White.

There are very few Giselle Bundchen whites compared to mulattos and Blacks.

In answer to your question. I own a hand gun. I do not conceal carry. I am licenced, trained and practice at the range twice a month. My gun as well as my husband’s is kept secured in our home until it is needed. I hope I never have to use it for my defense but I am ready if I have to. In the future, with our move to a more rural area, we will will be purchasing a long gun and I will train to use that as well.

Good for you Brenda. I haven’t yet bought out a gun. I know my father has a collection but he’s had them a while.

But the fact that there are so many PARANOID unhinged Americans who think buying AR 15 ASSUALT rifles is the way to keep safe is mind boggling to me.

We are the only country with so called gun enthusiasts who believe guns will keep them safe, yet we keep having tragedy after tragedy that shows that even having a gun doesn’t keep you safe from crazies who are allowed to easily purchase assault rifles.

Why is it that countries like Sweden with high ownership of guns has far and few gun violence than America.

Its really sad of what is becoming of America. But as they always say, eventually the chickens will come to roost.

I lived in Scandinavia (Denmark and Norway) for 5 years combined, and in many ways it’s worse than the USA.

You would have a hard time just getting in to either Denmark or Norway if you don’t have a valid reason to be there (Job, spouse, etc.)

Once you’re there, you have to adjust to living in a mostly cold climate with people who tend to stick to themselves, and are very hostile to ALL immigrants, not just the brown and the black ones.

The problem with Muslims raping women is not so common as people think — Most of the time they’re raping their “own” women, and wouldn’t dare to try to rape white women. But the police is equally slow to respond there as they are here.

Not many African-descended people except in the large cities. The Africans I encountered were mostly refugees from Eastern Africa (Somalia, etc). But I did meet a few BW from the Caribbean who were married to ethnic Danes.

If I had to do it all over again, I would emigrate to another English-speaking country. Canada is much closer, and probably is now what the USA could’ve been.

Yes Canada could be a good choice for many BW. there is racism in Canada more toward Native Canadian Indians. Many of the Black people in Canada are from The Caribbean Islands, some were descendants of , Sudan Somalia, Ethiopian, Rwanda, Belgian Congo.Sierra Leone. In most places in Canada, black people can eke out a good living, it is not unusual for black people here to do better economically than the average white, if a black person has there life together. The taxes tend to be higher in Canada,but it all balances out, there is access for universal healthcare for everyone here. Also university tuition tends to be more affordable than in the States. English and French are the 2 official languages, but most of Canada is English speaking. Many black people can do well financially. the ones who generally do not do well are ones who are into quick money, engaging in nefarious lifestyles like constant clubbing, prostitution, stripping, having children with various different men. and who are overall whiners and dysfunctional. Also if you want a loan, if you qualify and are capable of paying it back with legitimate interest. Toronto is where there is a high black population and very fast ,most black people in Canada can live fine. Not all but because Toronto is a large city, it tends to attract a large percentage of hustler blacks, who like quick money and other nefarious things, but there are black people in Toronto who can do financially very well.. Other provinces like Alberta, Manitoba, British Columbia, Saskatchewn are fine to live in. The only thing is British Columbia has a high real estate prices and there are tons of Chinese and East Indians living there also, but still if youhave the drive BW can do well there.. The UK has a lot of unemployment and let me tell you,not all but there is a certain percentage of lazy young black people and many british black men are just like many American black men in many ways. Certain Caribbean islands depending on your lifestyle, finances eTc, may also be an option I would avoid moving to large islands like Jamaica, Trinidad..Haiti, Cuba, Guyana etc. smaller islands like St Kitts,St Vincent, Montseserat may be fine, if you are into the healthy adventurous, DIY lifestyle. Also with smaller Caribbean Islands you can grow your own food easier, mainstream US tv shows are not easily accessible (no loss there) Though you could watch them on your computer if you choose to and there are other pros depending on the type of person you are.
I do not know anything about New Zealand or Holland.

One thing that BW should keep in mind is to be responsible, get serious and take a mature position in life.. It is said that the Chinese plan for 7 generations and we plan just for the minute. In other words, far too many BW (not everyone but too many) live just for the moment. E.g. I knew a BW from Chicago who wanted to move to Paris, because she had friends living there and they were the biggest partiers who spent a lot of there time at outdoor cafes eating pastries. and clubbing. These people that she knew had no real type of employment and were quick money individuals, feast or famine lifestylers. Obviously this BW had an infantile immature and not too bright logic regarding life. Far too many BW will move to a place due to its night life etc. A word of advice, there are many other activities one can do that can bring fun besides clubbing.

Canada would be a number 1 choice I would recommend to black women, also Canada does not have the gun problem as the states, and the police tend to be more humane,(if there is such a thing for police). As BW in Canada if you
ever get stopped by police, keep your big mouth shut ,be polite and believe me you will be OKAY.

Remember no place is perfect, but you can still live well . I agree with Brenda 55 that there probably will not be a mass exodus of BW out of the states. But for those of you BW who want to get out of dodge, research your mind as to what you want in life. research the place you want to go to. Visit the place you want to go to. Use both your mind and heart when making the decision. discipline yourself and put into practice what actions you will take to get to your final destination. and just do it, don’t wait, don’t second guess yourself JUST DO IT

@cediblog. Thank you for the brilliant analysis of living in Canada. I’m a nursing student right now. This is my second career, and I’m looking to move to Montrel Canada. Right now taking French lessons, and doing the research regarding immigration within the next six years. Also looking at Greenland, and Iceland. Thank you Dorian

Canada is probably #1 for me, but I’m in a good situation in the USA, so I probably won’t leave. However, I will be going to Canada soon for a visit, so you never know.

One thing I have learned is that what happens in the USA, usually finds its way across the Atlantic. But the best thing to do is do your research before you go and figure out if leaving is right for you.

And I am so lucky because we just got word that my job is going to be holding a meeting in Toronto and I have never been to Canada. I’m going to make it a vacation after the meeting to see Canada.

Yes my situation is good right now in the US and where I live I love it. And for many BW their situations are quite good as well. I will and still do love a lot about America. And I love me some California and the weather and beauty.

But it scares me what I see in terms of attitudes and mentalities of people in this country.

So for those young BW who are able to travel abroad and live abroad or at least *SEE* if they like it, I say GO FOR IT!

Many other races and cultures have done it to succeed and continue to do it if they can.

I once heard a Canadian say this about Canada. Canada and the US are about the same size, yet Canada has a lot LESS people than the US, which means the government needs everybody to participate. The US government on the other hand doesn’t need every American to participate.

Geographically speaking, Canada is larger than the USA in total area, but the USA is larger than Canada in larger in land mass area. Geographers include coastlines when calculating the total area of a country, and Canada has a lot more coastlines than the USA. (Sorry majored in Geography in college. 🙂 )

And yes, Canada only has about 35 million people, while the USA is approaching 320 million.

Now I never knew that about Canada. Only 35 million people. There are about 40 million blacks here in the U.S. My husband and I did look into emigrating to Ca. it is not the easiest thing to do now that we are both retired. We have the assets but decided not to because of the winters. Even with a fur coat it would be a challenge. LOL. /we had our honeymoon in Montreal and loved it. We are planning a vacation to Toronto soon.

First time commenting here: I’m born and raised in Canada and just wanted to piggyback on cediblog’s great comment! Everybody’s heard of Toronto, but there are other cities up here like Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg where you can make a great living and they’re not overcrowded! Those cities also don’t require you to know French, compared to Montreal. I just read today that the US Senate might pass a law that requires WOMEN over the age of 18 to register for a draft in case of a war – so there are scary times ahead and I hope that BW who really want to get out of the States won’t delay their plans any longer!

Thanks for the input!! Its always good to hear from other BW living in these areas on what their take is. Its important that we get proper feedback and info from BW like yourself who can attest to the “climate” of these other countries and places that some BW may be looking to make an escape to.

You know. Every year my company has a national meeting and they pull all the team together nationwide and from Canada. As we were riding back on the bus from a meeting a man from Canada sat next to me. I believe he was from Montreal? That’s the French part of Canada correct?

Well we started talking about all the stuff going on in America and the racial tensions. And he with true honesty said “how do you do it?”. Like he truly was in awe at how so many Black people can carry on daily with all of the crap we face in this country. He said, “maybe because I live in an all mostly French area, but I see this stuff and it amazes me how much hatred so many people have”, and he said “I have to really say I admire Blacks who can still smile and have good spirits in the face of it all”. he admitted that Canada like all nations have racism problems. But he said what he sees on the news in America is shocking.

Neecy,
Yes, Montreal is in the greater French area of Canada – but just to paint a clearer picture, the whole province of Quebec (where Montreal is) is French-speaking territory. I’d also add Ottawa (Canada’s capital city) to that group. Ottawa is in a different English-speaking province (Ontario), but it’s less than a 10-minute drive to Hull (which a city in French-speaking Quebec), and because federal government is based in Ottawa, Ottawa is officially bilingual and kids are taught half or sometimes all of their elementary and high school classes in French. Most jobs in Ottawa, including fast food, prefer or require you to be bilingual (and I’ve heard of some employers training their staff in basic to intermediate French).
Just in my experience, I agree with the sentiment that the French-Canadian man expressed to you on the bus! I find that in Canada, racism is very passive-aggressive when you encounter it. For example, when I was a college student in a rural town, some of the neighborhood kids asked me what I was doing in the area when they saw me going up the driveway of a house where I was renting a bedroom. (However, the white lady who rented it to me was incredibly nice and she ended up giving me a reference for a job later on.) You’ll get the restaurant staff that take their sweet time serving your table, and some people will stage-whisper when you’re out in public with a non-black guy, but I’ve never experienced anything like being pulled over by the police or being attacked either verbally or physically by a non-black person. Here a smile (and a cute skirt! lol) goes a LONG way in getting men AND women to treat you with dignity!

Vancouver is nice too. I used to live in the Seattle area and would go up north for a weekend.
I liked Toronto, but felt more at home on the West Coast.
We’re planing to move to Victoria sometime in the near future..Maybe a whole lot sooner if there’s a President Trump!
My husband just got his US green card, so moving to another North American country will be easier now.

I totally agree about Vancouver, it’s a gorgeous city! (And it’s safe from the horrific winter temperatures and snow that you’ll experience elsewhere in Canada, lol) But just for those who aren’t too familiar with the area, Vancouver has the highest cost of living in North America, if that hasn’t changed in the last 5 years! Million-dollar price tags on houses there aren’t uncommon. Just a heads-up for those who might be planning to move on a budget, that Vancouver may not be the easiest city to start your new life in Canada if you don’t have a job waiting for you or a lot of money ready.

They may wanna try first fixing the RAPE issues in the US Military before they try to force young vulnerable women to register to be in the draft.

There are plenty of women who register for and love the military. Trying to force young women without the will or desire to be in combat zones will be a disaster for them mentally, physically and socially.

“It doesn’t make sense to have a draft for women, we are not treated as equals in America.”

I think that’s why this is being done, some women want to be treated as equal to men in various ways and this part too, “It just seems that now that you have women allowed to serve in any position in the military, there is no logical basis to say women should not be drafted.”

Now that I remember Neecy actually did a post about how black women are treated in the military.

I agree Evelyn Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg are good choices. Especially Winnipeg, because the economy there for whatever reason is quite stable. It has similar demographics to Edmonton and Calgary. All 3 places are very English speaking, The weather is very similar in all 3 places, in Winnipeg the summers can get quite hot and the winters can get quite cold. (but hey one does get easily used to it ). The unique thing I have seen in Winnipeg e/g a person could be down in the dumps, (drug addict, prostitute, deviant whatever) and I could see that person a few years later and that person could possibly have cleaned up their life. In Vancouver I did not see that type of progress in people. e.g if they were a drug addict in 1990 in 2000 they are still drug addicts. and possibly even up to today. I don’t know if it is because many Winnipeggers are harder working, ( they have no qualms about going to work in 35-40 below weather.) and the city is not fast paced/ Winnipeg is a good place to heal yourself live, and thrive and the cost of living there is not too high.

Taila, I lived also in Victoria, and Vancouver I found Victoria to be very clean, slow paced and the 3 main groups there are Whites, Chinese and East Indians> Vancouver the same thing, but not clean like Victoria or even Winnipeg, Thought he weather in both Victoria and Vancouver,poseess. milder winters. The housing costs in both place are extremely high. and just in my opinion, I did not find the people there very progressive, sure they are open to legal pot smoking, nude beaches i.e Wreck Beach and other alternative lifestyle things, but culturally just myself personally did not think that the environments were stimulating. I too used to go down to Seattle, and I found Seattle more stimulating. We are all different and there is no perfect place, but if you decide to ever move to Canada, I’m quite sure you will settle in a place that you’ll find interesting.

To all the Ladies on this blog, whatever place you choose to live DONT JUST SURVIVE, LIVE LIFE AND THRIVE.

In the 1990s I had a bf from Calgary. I thought Alberta was just a Canadian version of Texas. He was a conservative type who liked to listen to country music all day. Once for my birthday we drove to Edmonton, and the average temperature was like 45 degrees, and it even snowed……in MAY!!!
Looking back, I’m surprised that relationship lasted 2 years.

I was also surprised that Calgary was the first large city to have a Muslim as the mayor. I would have bet Toronto would’ve been the first.

I would recommend New Zealand , it’s a stunningly beautiful country with beaches , mountains and everything in between. The people are very friendly and welcoming , oh i’m saying this as a person who has been there lol.

I would recommend New Zealand , it is a stunningly beautiful country. It has mountains and beaches and everything in between. The North Island is more populated and i would guess has more opportunity on the work front but the South Island has a lot more nature. To those who like/love Lord Of The Rings they do have a hobbit place their. The people are very welcoming and friendly. Oh and i have been there not just mumbling on. I actually got my only tattoo done in NZ.

When i went to NZ it wasn’t no big deal really , I’m not sure if it’s different if you’re American ( I’m English ). If you were to consider going i would just do a check before hand. I’ve got 2 mates of mine from back in England who are living in Australia and they didn’t have any problems going over there.

It’s just lot’s and lot’s of natural beauty , i can remember stopping at the side of the road looking over the edge to see a full colony of seals. I’m big on nature so i was just WOW , i also went whale watching which was awesome. I had a choice between that or swimming with dolphins so i went with the whales as i thought when is the next time i’m gunna see one of these huge and beautiful animals. Plus in certain parts of NZ there are natural hot springs and hot mud pools , the natural hot springs you can go in and are supposed to be go for you. The down side to that is they smell like sulphur but it’s a once in a life time thing so lol. My shorts smelt for a couple of days after , in a similar area the ground is warm because its closer to the earths core and the Maori people use this to cook food. It’s like a natural slow cooker and the food is great. The down side is that it will be a long a** flight , i went from London and it took 23hrs with an hour stop in Hong Kong.

Winnipeg was the first major Canadian city to have an openly gay mayor his name was Glen Murray (1998-2004) one would think that it would be a place like Vancouver, which is looked upon as the California of Canada. No it was Winnipeg,

Taila there is joke about Alberta being a mini Texas,especially Calgary, Just like there is a joke about Toronto being a mini New York, because of Torontos fastness compared with other major Canadian cities.

Canada also had a female head of state in the1990’s for a few short months, her name was Prime Minister Kim Campbell, she took over running the country when then Prime minister Brian Mulroney had stepped down.

The only thing can tell all of you ladies, is that Canada so far has been a good country.

I consider myself a Progressive Black woman that is interested in helping to bring about change and a new consciousness to Black women globally. One that is positive and progressive and empowers Black women to live well and thrive successfully under some of the most anti-Black woman pressures in society today.