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Re: Glee is offensive

Originally Posted by MawellEvans

is the characters last name- i represent all gay men on the planet?

The implication is there, yes.

Re: Keith of Six Feet Under. Good example. So there is one after all. Who knows, there may be others. But by far the rule, not the exception, is to portray gay men as weak, effeminate, flamboyant caricatures.

Re: Glee is offensive

Originally Posted by G-Lexington

>>>Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

They did in my high school.

Lex

Hehe They did in my high school, too.

JNew York, please lighten up a little bit. What you say may be right, but we are dealing with a small group of people here and they just have a "type" of character on display. Like the gay guy. Why not have a gay guy that is not the least bit feminine? Answer, they only come on once a week and have only a few episodes in a season to generate characters. The wheelchair guy is the same thing. As for Shu being for the underdog, even the best of people are still "human" and do stray. It is an hour of fun, lite comedy/drama, and song.

Re: Glee is offensive

blacksyringe, you and I are in complete agreement. I don't fault Glee for being "offensive", I fault it for being plot-driven, obvious, badly directed and often unfunny.

JNewYork, I know what you're trying to say, but far more offensive than anything in Glee is the implication in your statements that masculine gay men = good, while effeminate gay men = bad. I'm actually surprised no one else in this thread has pointed that out. Hopefully you didn't mean that the way it sounded.

Re: Glee is offensive

I hear ya, Sgt. Yes, I should point out that all points on the gender identification spectrum are valid. Feminine is not bad.

It's just tiresome to see that "weak" and "flaky" are the favorite ways that Hollywood portrays gay men. I hear the argument that in Glee's case it's satire. But most of the other leads are not satirical, except for the Cheerleader coach, and even she is very realistic. So the way they're presenting Kurt, they are presenting him as real not some satirical sketch.

Is Finn a satire? Is Rachel? Is Puck? Is Shue? Is Artie? Is Quinn? Is Emma? Is Mercedes? I find all the aforementioned to be presented as very realistic people. So I can only assume that the character of Kurt is also presented as real, too.

And the way he's presented is offensive. Even the over the top Sue Sylvester is actually very realistic, too.

I should restate that I love Glee. It's actually brought me to tears on a number of shows. It's funny, warm and I feel for the characters and the drama they go through.

Bravo to this great show! And bravo to the actor who portrays Kurt. He's a phenomenal actor. And, yes, there are plenty of queenie guys in drama depts.

But it would be nice to also show the truth, that not all gays are like that.

Re: Glee! [merged]

It's not as mean-spirited as it was in the first episode, which made me laugh numerous times, but it's better than it was for a few episodes where I thought it didn't know who it was. I think they've begun to settle in nicely. It's still better and more unique that half the shit on tv.

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It's a very inconsistent show. Kurt mentioned that they have anonymity in the Glee club but just a few eps back they were being harassed by the entire school.

Why would anyone care about yearbook pictures being defaced, enough to ban an entire group from having one? Though I tend to put that down to Sue's conniving ways, which used to be cute and funny but are now just loathesome. I was kinda rooting for Quinn to go directly to Figgins to get the Cheerios banned from competition. But when they win Sectionals I guess success will be the best revenge.

One big question... now that Will knows, where does that leave baby Drizzle? And I shudder to think of how Sue's gonna run the club now that Will is out.

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I had pretty much given up on Glee, but when I heard Lea was singing Don't Rain On My Parade (I've been a Barbra fanatic since the very beginning of her career.), I decided to catch up on the past shows, so I'd know what was happening in the finale.

There's been a lot of improvement. There's been some character development for Quinn, Terri and Sue, and they've begun rounding out some of the "extras."

(I should probably hate that Britany is being portrayed as such a dumb blond, but when she delivered that line about having sex with the other cheerleader, I laughed out loud.)

I must admit I had chills during a lot of this episode. Don't Rain On My Parade and And I Am Telling You were certainly performed on a par with Barbra and the two Jennifers.

The writing is still subpar, but I was impressed with how quickly they wrapped up the two baby deceptions, though that may have been a reaction to the critics.

All in all the show has improved a thousandfold.

Oh, and the scene with the kid in the wheelchair banging his head against the wall...priceless.

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and omg why did I just find out that Idina Menzel is joining most of the episodes (9 roughly) for the next season???

It gets even better babe, Kristin Chenoweth is also coming back.

I loved the way the show wrapped up. Terri's fake pregnancy was uncovered. and Will dumped her.
Then, finally, Finn learned the truth about his pregnant girlfriend.
I was glad Rachel figured it out and spilled the news.
As for Sue, what can I say, she went out with a bang and will be back with a vengeance.
can't wait...love her.

Re: Glee! [merged]

These days a normal season runs about 13 episodes. Unless its a crime drama (like Law &Order, or CSI or any of their clones) then it could go up to 48 and very rarely 52 (one full year of a new episode per week).

Re: Glee! [merged]

In the 50s and early 60s the standard scripted TV program filmed 39 episodes. The 13 summer weeks from mid-June until early September either showed reruns or there was a "summer replacement" show on during those weeks.

As scripted TV got more and more expensive the nuimber of yearly episodes gradually decreased.

New shows may only receive an order for 12 episodes or less. If they're successful, the network orders more.

The standard number of episodes for a full season pick-up is now 22 or 23.

Re: Glee! [merged]

Originally Posted by josher

I've often wondered whether or not any of the real bystanders ever wind up trying to join in.

I would think they do.

The book I have on Spring Awakening talks about how some of the audience that gets to sit on stage to watch the show tries to sing quite a bit. It has happened so many time that now they try to get people that have seen it a few times to sit there, because at times the audience member doesnít get it and doesnít sit down.