Nvidia gave AMD the PS4 because console margins are terrible

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Converted into US dollars, Sony’s losses stand at $4.5 billion for the PS3 generation. Microsoft, in contrast, has lost about $2.6 billion. These figures run contrary to what a lot of people believe, because Microsoft and Sony have both talked up big years and big quarters — but when you consider the enormous expense of development, the math doesn’t lie. And what did Sony get, in exchange for losing nearly twice what Microsoft has? It got a competitive product. If you look back at what Sony executives were saying in the run up to launch and immediately thereafter, it’s clear that they absolutely expected a crushing victory — not a competitive stalemate.

Nvidia and AMD

The reason this comes down to margins, not technology, is because Nvidia has been working on its own CPUs for quite some time. No, previous Tegra processors weren’t powerful enough for consoles at this price point (the $99 Ouya is a special case), but NV could likely have whipped up a Tegra 4-class processor in time for the PS4’s launch. It’s easy, meanwhile, to imagine a Kepler-based console GPU — the chip’s excellent performance-per-watt makes such an application a no-brainer.

In the end, AMD was probably willing to take a much smaller margin than what Nvidia wanted. Part of that was undoubtedly cost related — AMD was already planning to build custom SoCs that combined console-capable graphics hardware with its own CPUs. Mostly, though, it reflects the relative desperation level of the two companies. Unlike Nvidia, AMD is counting on this semi-custom SoC business to survive. Rory Read has stated he expects embedded semi-custom SoCs (read: consoles and tablets) to account for 20% of AMD’s revenue by the end of the year, up from 5% in 2012.

Even after factoring in AMD’s diminished expectations for 2013, a shift that large would reflect hundreds of millions in royalty payments, but it’s predicated on strong tablet sales, strong next-generation console sales, and any remaining payments owed by Microsoft and Sony related to meeting launch windows or other milestones. At this point, with the Wii U reportedly selling far below Nintendo’s expectations and the general x86 tablet market is pretty limp, that prediction looks increasingly optimistic,

These macroeconomic trends could hit AMD, and hit it hard. Sunnyvale is depending on strong sales from all three consoles + Temash (next-gen mobile APUs) to drive revenue skyward and help it avoid a shutdown. If console sales don’t spike in the back half of this year or early next, Nvidia may end up having made the smarter choice. That could go double if Project Shield actually takes off — Sony likely wouldn’t have been thrilled with Nvidia attempting to build its own console business, even if it competed in an entirely different business segment.

Underpowered your ass… You can’t put a 100W chip in a console WITH a REAL GPU, DUMMY…

Do you really think MS AND Sony woudl take something that won’t be faster than the previous gen…?

Are you stupid…?

Dakan45

“Do you really think MS AND Sony woudl take something that won’t be faster than the previous gen…?”

Are you stupid? Compared to decent cpus out there, YES they are underpowered.

Alson consoles are proof of holding progress back. Was ps3 and x360 based on x86? nopel old rsx crap. Was ps3 optimized? Nope no one can develop games properly apart from sony loyalits. Was x360 workign propely? no it overheated.

So using tech that exists on pcs for years is somehow supe duper awesome becuase its on consoles.

Anyway, they both gonna make cheap consoles this time around so dont expect a large gap in this generation.

http://www.facebook.com/treemanberry Rowan Berry

This article seems to be 100% based on speculation. Just because NV says it’s not because of tech, doesn’t make it true. A better description would be, The APU has been in development by AMD for several years (6+), The tech is much more evolved than NV’s tegra could ever be at this point in time. Now Sony only has to pay for one chip (Which works well fyi) and could still be paying AMD a good premium. (Considering AMD sells APU’s for $100, Thats ALOT cheaper than NV GPU + Cell)

Elem187

Nvidia also said the CPU is low end and its GPU is mid to low end in the PS4, which he is 100% correct.

steve smith

Oh well, NVidia said that so it must be true…..

Elem187

the Radeon 7850 is on the low end side of things. The CPU is in even worse shape, a processor being developed by AMD to go into tablets/netbooks.

steve smith

First of all, the GPU is fine, for the simple fact they will be programming to the hardware and not to a system via drivers/patches/directx etc.. the GPU will be more than capable. Second, because they have went for cores vs IPC shows that the games will be highly threaded, good news for pc gamers.

Michelasso

It is a 7970M, not a 7850. nearly 2TFlops. The last time I checked it beated many other GPUs, NVIDIA included. Being a component for laptops it is also energy saver. It should be more or less like a 680M. Actually a bit faster using Windows:

And this for a fraction of money one would pay for a laptop with the same chips.

nightscout13

The exact GPU to be used has not been announced. Hold your horses.

Michelasso

And it will never be. I’ve got this info from Digital Foundry. The specs of the PS4 GPU are the same of the 7970M, just underclocked at 800MHz instead of 850Mhz. This was on the DF article with the rimor about what the PS4 was supposed to be, that has been proved right at 100%. Also the PS4 chips will include some custom components (like the ones for LZMA compression on the fly) made under Sony request.

It’s a dumbed down 7970m. Don’t for a minute think you’re getting a 7970m for a laptop (a $400 GPU, economics will tell you that is just false.) The 7970m in these consoles are just a name (marketing for idiots that don’t know anything about PC hardware) It’s almost the equivalent of a desktop 7850 (from what I hear it’s closer to a 7790 Bonaire XT.) Pfft, how naive are you to think these consoles will be THAT powerful.

Jecht_Sin

DId you get the point of this article? NVIDIA gave up because the margins were impossible. AMD instead, which was in bad shape, has assured itself a solid cash flow for years selling millions of those chips per year practically at production cost. The 7970M costs 400$ to you, not to Sony. As usual the PlayStation is sold undercost. Around $70 cheaper it seems.

And regarding the price differences between the Xbox and PS4, I’d like to remind you that The Xbox instead has to pay for that Kinect sensor which a MS engineer claimed is nearly as much as costly as the whole box.

In any case these aren’t mobile phones, with companies like Apple making huge margins just in the internal flash memory, these are videogames consoles. The HW is there just to make money with SW and services. And in case of a manufacturing company like Sony to keep the production high and people working in the lines. Because idle people in the factories cost money no matter what.

Robert Kelly

Nvidia couldn’t do it because they don’t have the extensive track record of making SoCs (Like AMD has), get your head out of your ass, it isn’t because they “gave up”. What costs for $400 for me doesn’t cost $400 for Sony? QUOTE BITCH :

PS4 GPU Compared to the 7970M

The playstation 4 on the other hand,
needed to cut things back further. Remember – the PS4 has a performance
figure of 1.76GFLOPS (once again, single precision). that’s a lot of
difference from the original desktop version – although not a million
miles away from the Radeon 7970M Laptops (amazon
link). The speed of the GPU is reduced even further, from the 850MHZ to
800MHZ. Fortunately, we still keep the 32 ROPS of the mobile and
desktop versions of the AMD 7970, BUT we lose another 2GCN cores
(bringing the total down to 18 for the PS4 – the Xbox 720 is rumoured to
have fewer still, only 12). GONE is the dedciated RAM for the GPU. The
PS4 uses 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which is unified (tied in to the CPU and
GPU). This RAM runs at 176GB/s while the 7970M has 2GB of GDDR5 that’s
giving 153GB/S of bandwidth. Remember though – the GPU and CPU of the
Playstation 4 share this RAM, meaning despite the max bandwidth being
higher, the amount that the GPU will have ‘available’ will likely be
considerably lower than this. Source you ask? http://www.redgamingtech.com/ps4-xbox-720-gpu-vs-amd-7970m-and-7970/ Go sit on it. Know what you’re talking about before you type. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MISINFORMATION! IT’s NOT THE SAME AS 7970m! I’ll eventually get a PS4 and a X1 but I wanted to clear the confusion. I’m not biased of any particular platform or graphics product. It’s obvious which platform is beefier but I’ll play them all not just as a enthusiast, but a gamer. Good day.

I wrote already that it enables 18 CU instead of the 20 available. But the RAM bandwidth is superior than the7970M/7850, there are many more ACEs (asynchronous computer engines), more ALUs and first of all it uses the more costly ENERGY SAVING mobile technology which can NOT make it equivalent to ANY desktop GPU!

Now before keeping going on showing yourself for the cluless you are go and check the PS4 size. Which includes an internal power brick. The whole console together consumes less energy than any desktop graphics card. And that is what makes mobile technology expensive!

Oh, and I am not the one saying that NVIDIA gave up because of the ridiculous margins, it is this article. So take the head off your arse and start thinking. As well as leave the xbox out of this discussion, If the PS4 has few hopes to compete with some high end PCs the Xbox has nothing. Just a stupid webcam and a HDMI in port. For 100 dollars/euro more. Ask MS what they thought they were doing, not me. Unlike the Xbox the PS4 has an excellent design for that price.

Robert Kelly

“PS4 uses 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which is unified (tied in to the CPU and
GPU). This RAM runs at 176GB/s while the 7970M has 2GB of GDDR5 that’s
giving 153GB/S of bandwidth. Remember though – the GPU and CPU of the
Playstation 4 share this RAM, meaning despite the max bandwidth being
higher, the amount that the GPU will have ‘available’ will likely be
considerably lower than this.” (That’s from my post above, who’s the idiot?) One thing we agree on is that NVIDIA didn’t give up. However, I don’t give a shit how much more power efficient it is. Again, I’m a enthusiast (generally,we don’t care how much power it sucks up) who doesn’t care what platform I play on as long as it has games I want to play. But if there’s a multi-plat that I want to play? You better believe it’s on the PC. I don’t dispute the power efficiency, I dispute that it’s even close to enthusiast level technology, which is as it should be. You want the hyundai? Buy a console, want a Ferrari? Wait for the R9 280x and upgrade from the desktop hd 7970 ghz. Hell, wait for Maxwell, either way, you wont be trumped by a console. That’s the point. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE HD 7970m, your power saving nonsense is again marketing. THE PS4 IS NOT A MOBILE DEVICE! Get… Your… Head… Out… Your… Ass…

Jecht_Sin

I will play them on PS4 because with the extra money saved not buying a PC I will buy dozens of great Sony’s and consoles’ exclusives as I am already doing,

Not to mention that there is the physical limit of the tv screen, 1080p with a 60Hz refresh rate. Once the PS4 games will all reach that level of performances, obviously with good antialiasing and all crap like that I don’t see why one should buy the same game for PC when he or she can add it to the PS4 library with all the new functionalities the PS4 will have to offer, even allowing a familiar to play it AT THE SAME TIME in a second console at no additional cost if it is a digital copy.

The point mr, is that many are already happy with the PS3 performances. They are just a bit not quite there. But once the PS4 (and even the Xbox for what it matters) will be available, the remarkable performances differences with the PCs will shade away.

Considering that the many PC titles, MMOs first are moving to PS4, that the PS4 with the DS4 touchpad will make even the strategy games much better playable on it (you can be sure that Sid Meier is evaluating the option to port Civilization IV, V and VI to PS4, now) one will ask more than ever what’s the need for a PC once bought a PS4. For little better performances that disappear at the slightest eye vision problem?

Sure, PC gaming won’t die, the performances fanatics will always be there, but the way the PS4 pre-orders exploded show how the PS4 will give an hard time to PC. Above that there is only 4K, and 4K in all honestly is an useless gimmick unless one has a 100″ screen.

Last but not least, let’s be honest: a PC gamer who won’t buy a PS4 would not a hardcore gamer at all. Just a casual one. Because some of the best titles, also with very good performances will run only on PS4 as many already do on PS3 although with only decent performances..

Robert Kelly

You do that. The money I save buying my multiplats through Steam will fund my exclusives and the difference in cost between consoles and a badass rig. Oh you forgot to mention how much cheaper Steam is with their crazy sales or that you can trade and sell games within the steam community as well as obtain game coupons/codes/keys bundle with GPUs from Nvidia and the Never Settle Forever bundle? Did you know about the Bundles that happen online like the recent one at Amazon Called Tomb of the Sleeping Hitman where you could buy Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, and Hitman Professional edition for just $13.99? How about the recent Origin Humble Bundle where for 5 dollars you got BF3, Mirrors Edge, Dead Space, Deadspace 3, Crysis 2, Sim’s 3, Medal of Honor, and Burnout Paradise? The weekly Humble Bundles and other India/AAA bundles for $1? Did you know you can buy Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, and Tomb Raider for just $20 with a AMD reloaded card? Or other Combinations like Far Cry 3, DMC, Deus Ex for $20? How about the fact you can buy a preorder copy coupon of Batman Arkham Origins (not even out yet I don’t believe) part of Nvidias Game promotion for just $25? You didn’t? That’s because your misguided. It was obvious the moment you compared the PS4/XBox1 to a HD 7970m. I feel like someone should be sued for even calling it that, it’s false advertisement. I think the advantages a PC gives you are extremely underrated and it’s not just a gaming platform/media player/whatever. It’s a heavy duty workstation where you can do so much more.

Singh1699

Does he know he can get almost 300 worth if video games with a 300 video card? He wants ps4 to appear cool to his friends. Guess what buddy, better to have people try to make friends with you, than you them.

Robert Kelly

That’s what I’m trying to say. I have to keep on editting because I keep on thinking up other awesome deals that puts console versions to shame. Not in just price but graphical fidelity, if you want a game for a certain platform, fine, buy it. But don’t pretend it’s the same.

Sinester

i dont think MMO’s are gonna be a succes on Consoles because you have to pay 3 times to play it

Pay for Internet Connection
Pay for Xbox Live of PSN
Pay for MMO

for the rest of your story… you obviously dont know shit about PC’s

Sinester

i dont think MMO’s are gonna be a succes on Consoles because you have to pay 3 times to play it

Pay for Internet Connection
Pay for Xbox Live of PSN
Pay for MMO

for the rest of your story… you obviously dont know shit about PC’s

Jecht_Sin

I will play them on PS4 because with the extra money saved not buying a PC I will buy dozens of great Sony’s and consoles’ exclusives as I am already doing,

Not to mention that there is the physical limit of the tv screen, 1080p with a 60Hz refresh rate. Once the PS4 games will all reach that level of performances, obviously with good antialiasing and all crap like that I don’t see why one should buy the same game for PC when he or she can add it to the PS4 library with all the new functionalities the PS4 will have to offer, even allowing a familiar to play it AT THE SAME TIME in a second console at no additional cost if it is a digital copy.

The point mr, is that many are already happy with the PS3 performances. They are just a bit not quite there. But once the PS4 (and even the Xbox for what it matters) will be available, the remarkable performances differences with the PCs will shade away.

Considering that the many PC titles, MMOs first are moving to PS4, that the PS4 with the DS4 touchpad will make even the strategy games much better playable on it (you can be sure that Sid Meier is evaluating the option to port Civilization IV, V and VI to PS4, now) one will ask more than ever what’s the need for a PC once bought a PS4. For little better performances that disappear at the slightest eye vision problem?

Sure, PC gaming won’t die, the performances fanatics will always be there, but the way the PS4 pre-orders exploded show how the PS4 will give an hard time to PC. Above that there is only 4K, and 4K in all honestly is an useless gimmick unless one has a 100″ screen.

Last but not least, let’s be honest: a PC gamer who won’t buy a PS4 would not a hardcore gamer at all. Just a casual one. Because some of the best titles, also with very good performances will run only on PS4 as many already do on PS3 although with only decent performances..

Singh1699

Exactly. Efficiency isn’t the end be all. For some things you need the hammer. Women don’t cream over the efficient 5 6 man who speaks politely because he uses less food.
A weather simulation doesn’t activate capcom mode because you decided to use Arm to be more efficient; it does play a laughing ring tone as you get hit by a tornado though.

Robert Kelly

“PS4 uses 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which is unified (tied in to the CPU and
GPU). This RAM runs at 176GB/s while the 7970M has 2GB of GDDR5 that’s
giving 153GB/S of bandwidth. Remember though – the GPU and CPU of the
Playstation 4 share this RAM, meaning despite the max bandwidth being
higher, the amount that the GPU will have ‘available’ will likely be
considerably lower than this.” (That’s from my post above, who’s the idiot?) One thing we agree on is that NVIDIA didn’t give up. However, I don’t give a shit how much more power efficient it is. Again, I’m a enthusiast (generally,we don’t care how much power it sucks up) who doesn’t care what platform I play on as long as it has games I want to play. But if there’s a multi-plat that I want to play? You better believe it’s on the PC. I don’t dispute the power efficiency, I dispute that it’s even close to enthusiast level technology, which is as it should be. You want the hyundai? Buy a console, want a Ferrari? Wait for the R9 280x and upgrade from the desktop hd 7970 ghz. Hell, wait for Maxwell, either way, you wont be trumped by a console. That’s the point. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE HD 7970m, your power saving nonsense is again marketing. THE PS4 IS NOT A MOBILE DEVICE! Get… Your… Head… Out… Your… Ass…

Jecht_Sin

It is 1.81 TFlops. 1.76 (Gb/s) is the RAM bandwidth… there is a great technical article in this very same site:

I wrote already that it enables 18 CU instead of the 20 available. But the RAM bandwidth is superior than the7970M/7850, there are many more ACEs (asynchronous computer engines), more ALUs and first of all it uses the more costly ENERGY SAVING mobile technology which can NOT make it equivalent to ANY desktop GPU!

Now before keeping going on showing yourself for the cluless you are go and check the PS4 size. Which includes an internal power brick. The whole console together consumes less energy than any desktop graphics card. And that is what makes mobile technology expensive!

Oh, and I am not the one saying that NVIDIA gave up because of the ridiculous margins, it is this article. So take the head off your arse and start thinking. As well as leave the xbox out of this discussion, If the PS4 has few hopes to compete with some high end PCs the Xbox has nothing. Just a stupid webcam and a HDMI in port. For 100 dollars/euro more. Ask MS what they thought they were doing, not me. Unlike the Xbox the PS4 has an excellent design for that price.

Sinester

[DId you get the point of this article? NVIDIA gave up because the margins were impossible. ..]

dont buy everything you read on the internet.. a much more logical reason is that AMD is the only one who can make decent CPU+GPU in one package…

Exactly the best way to put a console, is when you push your garbage down so it looks like there’s less.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

It’s not strictly a 7850. First of all, calling it a 7850 is pure speculation, as the equivalent PS4 GPU has never been confirmed. Secondly, the PS4 part is an APU, which is inherently a much more efficient an architecture than discrete components alone, with fast interconnects between the CPU, GPU, and memory. Thirdly, it’s a customized part, and may very well be extremely customized to the point where it’s much faster, more efficient, and has much greater performance potential than the speculated 7850 or 7870.

Last but not least, it’s a freaking console. Consoles are closed platforms, which everyone knows allows for far greater performance boosts through extreme optimization than the raw specs would have one believe. For example, the PS3 GPU is a laughably outdated 7800GTX, and yet it achieves visual fidelity that would be completely inconceivable in a PC with a 7800GTX.

http://www.facebook.com/POLOSUPASTAR Marvin Deonte’ McClain

Finally…It’s good to see someone with a brain on here.

dakan45

oh yes becasue ps3 relied on cards rather on card. It is the opposite this time around. I cant agree with what he says, the ps3 gpu used updates from the 8 series so it was techinically a 8600GT and that is pretty much where ps3 was. It couldnt even run crysis on medium.

The ps4 relies on memory and has x86 so it is far more fair to compare it with pc hardware than the cell processors that ps3 had.

so shove your and his brain back to the microwave where it belongs.

dakan45

The leading force in graphics said it, so yeah IT IS true.

But hey when pachter or some other bullshiter who doesnt know what he is talking about says that the ps3 is more powerfull and that gaming pcs for that power will cost 4000$ you believe his bullshit.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Last time I checked, AMD GPU’s meet or beat Nvidia GPU’s in benchmarks. So who is the real “leading force” in graphics?” And whose word should I believe?

Are you really that naive to think that Nvidia will compliment AMD on their hardware and business moves? Of course Nvidia will say anything to downplay and insult their competition. But you being a biased PC fanboy will of course choose to take every single word of Nvidia as gospel, just because Nvidia doesn’t have any contracts with consoles anymore. If the situation were 100% reversed, and AMD insulted Nvidia’s console contracts, you would of course be siding with AMD, right?

dakan45

Actually now, nvidia is slightly superior so for year so yeah they are the leading force especially in graphics technologies.

Why do you think nvidia will troll and bash amd or sony, do you think they have a need for it when they make so many sales out of your products.

YOU talk about bias? YOU who doesnt even know how the fuck those things work.

Wii with amd techology, do you remember that?

I wouldnt be siding with AMD while nvidia and intel are superior. AMD could be lying, nvidia or itnel have no reason to.

GatzLoc

Amd is much better on graphis front than Nvidia. esp. because the 7000 series of card oc like hell on high-water.

GatzLoc

Amd is much better on graphis front than Nvidia. esp. because the 7000 series of card oc like hell on high-water.

dakan45

Nope, Ati cards are always second. The only good think ATI has is more memory bandwith so it wil scale better for future games, but 670 and higher are tackled with that problem. So if you got a 670, you are better than ati.

DCage

XBOX (NVIDIA) –> PS3 (NVIDIA)
XBOX 360 (AMD) —> PS4 (AMD)

Sony follows where MS goes. XBOX 720 will lead the way again with a better performance and efficient tech.

dakan45

wtf? seriously when the FUCK did nvidia said that x360 is better than the ps4? You are comparign something that might have been true 8 years ago on the x360>ps3 argument WHICH WAS CORRECT DESPITE THE PS3 HAVING 8 PRECIOUS FREAKING CORES!!!

With nowdays that is completly freakign diffirent case.

http://www.facebook.com/jay.songz.50 Jay Songz

ur wrong ps3 is more powerful it just has bad memory because its split up that 256 is memory and 256 is for the operating system and with the cores if you use all 8 cores which developers dont do because its time consuming the ps3 is more powerful ex is uncharted 2 all 8 cores was used the graphics was phenomenon and the game had no hick ups!!! think if all company used all 8 cores man games would’ve been next gen already, dont believe me look up taping into the 8 cores of the ps3!!!

dakan45

Yes yes it is more pwerfull we heard that shit back in 2006 and how it has more cores and how a pc with as much power will cost you 4000$ dollars.

First we got the idiot number A saying that cpu dont mattter much in graphics where up at that point consoles relied heavilly on that and me correcting him that even pcs nowdays heavilly rely on quads and now we got the retarded argument that “uncharted 2 all 8 cores was used and the graphics was phenomenon”

I dont know how to say this to you, but mw2 on my pc looks better than uncharted 2. Textures, lighting ,resolution, effects.

Now sony has gone overboard with memory since it is basicly x86. Dont think that those 8gb of memory will ever be used. They wont. Same thing as last time. Then the developer “A” will come and say that they are not using all the memory and the ps4 is not up to it’s full potential then “B” will come and say that they maxed it out and then “A” will come back and say that they COMPLETLY maxed out the memorya and then some games with better graphics will pop up.

Same old hype shit like we have been hearing this generation.

http://www.facebook.com/jay.songz.50 Jay Songz

your so fukin wrong ms follows sony, sony was the first to go to ibm for the cell chip then dickeatin ms had to come and ride sony dick to get ahead and it only dumbass americans who ride ms dick cuz that where ms gets all its sales not europe not japan and not the rest of the world. americans are brain washed easily like u my friend in sayin what you just said read the history of the power of the 360 and ps3 from ibm sources!!

http://profiles.google.com/consiliumetanimus Tom Sawyer

FYI America is the largest free market IN THE WORLD. Perhaps an economics lesson is in order? You sir are “brain washed”, and apparently have no concept of world markets. Secondly, the PS3’s “power” you speak of, based on the cell procesor architecture, is the REASON PS3 ports of games were generally inferior to the 360 versions this generation. They were simply more difficult to develop for, period. Lastly, your english skills are terrible. So here’s what you do; read an english book, read an economics book, and stay off of message boards until you’re not an embarassing example of improper education and misinformation. Good day.

http://twitter.com/tbiz33 BeastlyRig

It’s not true is a super powerful tablet apu!! :/

DarthDiggler

Well considering NVIDIA hasn’t seen the AMD/Sony APU they are just talking out of their asses trying to save a little face with stockholders.

This whole statement was designed to set stockholders at ease. I am sure someone asked the top brass at NVIDIA “why didn’t any NV GPU’s appear in the next gen consoles.”

Is NVIDIA supposed to be honest and say — “well we do not have the capabilities to produce a CPU/GPU hybrid like AMD.”

No they are going to polish a terd and say exactly what they did.

dakan45

Right, they did not knew what sony asked of them and they did not decide that it doesnt worth it for the money they wanted.

Right becasue somehow amd cpu and gpu will SOMEHOW make this a huge diffirence when nvidia said themselfs that the architecture they used was not more powerfull than a low end gaming pc spec wise.

Some fucking how the specs are making this inferior platform into a monster system just because amd has the holy secrets of optimization and leading computing force…NO WAIT Nvidia and intel have that.

PWNED!!!

Just stop arguing ps fanboy, you fail so badly.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Wow. Calm down, nerdboy. Did anyone ever tell you that you need to take some Ritalin?

dakan45

Go troll eleswhere dipshit.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

You’re the only fanboy troll I see here. You troll every single PS4 article, and do nothing but desperately and incessantly bash the PS4 with completely inane arguments and comments.

If you don’t care about the PS4 at all, why are you commenting on PS4 articles? Why don’t you go comment in Xbox or Wii articles, or whatever your favorite console is?

dakan45

Lol how come i see you too then? Most importantly you had your shitty comment why did you came back here when no one relpied you? You want this you lttle fuckshit you want trolling.

Low end for PCs is NOT low-end for consoles… PCs have TONS of overhead you won’t find on a console… Where a PC OS may take 1-2GB just for the Kernel, a console may take 200-300MB…

There is very little “non-game” background going on and with DMA, most things will offload from the CPU…

An 8 core Jaguar will kick ass for 1080p gaming…

http://twitter.com/TakinThyBacon Robert

Let’s just thanks god they will not be powered by intel!

havor

What a load of crap. LOL

Because they also forget to mention that the chip that AMD designed for the PS4, will also be converted in to a desktop chip, minus some of the stuff Sony owned/needed for the console.

So AMD did the same trick nVidia did with the Xbox and nForce chipset, they let MS pay for the R&D and then made a conversion to the PC market.

So yeah they “let” AMD have the design win, as they could not compete whit AMD, as nVidia had to work whit eider AMD for the CPU parts, like that was gone happen, or Intel, and share a lot of IP with Intel and would just cost more to design, or with IBM, but Cell was something Sony and MS did not want any more.

nVidia could not make the chip Sony and MS wanted, even if they wanted to make one!

So AMD just won by default, and not because nVidia let them win.

The only real competition was Intel with Haswell and its GT3 IGP that is almost as fast as a GT650M videocard, but still to slow for what Sony and MS need, and Intel’s old video track record properly also did not help.

He’s saying only AMD or Intel can make x86 cpus; intel graphics suck, Nvidia wouldn’t want to work with either, so AMD is left.

dakan45

I doubt that sony thought x86 cpus as the first choice knowing what dumb japs they are, infact nvidia was asked to do it first and decided it didnt worth it. Amd was a last solution not their first. Still x86 is better than cell old crap.

havor

Basically the game studio’s demanded from MS and Sony that they used a x86 platform, as its a little easier to do cross platform development then

dakan45

Dont mean to be a grammar nazi, i hate that, but you mean the studios right? Becuase when you say studio’s it feels you mean one studio.

havor

Did i anywhere say that the PS4 is a great product.

I have no clue, because imho all consoles suck, as you really can only play shooters on a PC with a mouse!

And even NFS or Dirt is way cooler on 3 screen Eyfinity setup then on a TV.

Only saying, AMD is the only game in town when it comes to making the APU that Sony and MS wants.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Nice rebuttal there.

You need to take some Ritalin, maybe it’ll calm you down for a few seconds to allow you to form a single coherent thought.

dakan45

The thumbs speak for themselfs, he doesnt know what he is talking about. The whole think is filled with inconsistencies.

DakansMOM

Wow you know I never actually comment on here but DAMN!!!!…..you really are an idiot….Argument is quite simple, let me explain it to you. Nvidia does not have an x86 License meaning they have to develop a CPU from the ground up. We know this is what Sony and Microsoft wanted because they listened to developers who stated they wanted a system that is simple to design for, what better then x86. Going with Nvidia would have been to costly for both companies due to higher R&D costs. AMD was in a much better position to offer at least a good enough product at lower costs, $$ wins which is why Nvidia and SonyMicrosoft could not come to an agreement. Now shut up…pleas

Temitope Olasoko

dude, you posted this so long ago….but i am here to give you a thumbs up for that mega LOL

Mr.F

Who the hell cares about nvidia walking away from the ps4 with a negative point of view?!?! As a consumer & owner of a ps3, I’m more than happy with what I’ve seen of the ps4, IT LOOKS EPIC!!! SOLD ON DAY ONE OF LAUNCH!!!
So shut up nvidia with your low end pc comments & such as real gamers are not bothered about your financial gripes & conveniently biased comments!!!
My question is if you “walked” away from the deal as its no good for your company then why are you so butt hurt to the extent that you’re putting down a console that isn’t even finished or launched yet?!?! Mmmmm….. Sounds to me like you know your gonna miss out in the long run.

dakan45

IT LOOKS EPIC!!! SOLD ON DAY ONE OF LAUNCH!!!

you havent even seeing it you fucking dipshit.

Look, ps4 is a lod end pc, nvidia didnt do it because it was weak and sony wanted very little money put into it’s development.

Face it ps4 sucks you got pwned. Buy a pc.

Mr.F

You havent even “seeing” it you fucking dipshit. LMFAO at the irony there! Learn to spell before you get brave & attack someone in text form you fucking retard!
Like I said from what I’ve seen so far I’m happy with. The share function,the new controller & the much easier to develop for architecture with greatly improved graphics is good enough for me as I’m a real gamer & not a tech head fanboy! If you don’t like tha fact

Mr.F

That I prefer a console over a pc then it’s your problem & I believe that you can go fuck yourself with your graphics card!!! LMFAO!!! You’ve made my day fucktard!!! :D

Mr.F

Come on then! No smart ass reply?!?! It seems that your the one who got pwned as you pwned yourself you fucking muggy cunt!! By the way your spelling mistakes make you sound like a pakkie!!! MEGA LOLZ!!! Not that there’s anything wrong with pakkie’s unless YOU are one of course…..

dakan45

What smartass reply you require? You are a retard who said he will buy it day one and has not even SEEN the fuckign thing.

It is a fact that ps4 is weak, the whole fucking internet is whinning about it.

NVIDIA the leading force in graphics says it sucks, it fucking sucks as we pc gamers told you.

Shove taht “real gamers” up your fat $$$ ass. We are the real gamers who play games that take skill, call on bullshit when we see it and we know how games work. You are another retard that will buy a console just because it has PS4 on it.

my CPU and GPU are 4 years old, i still play most games at settings your shitty console cannot concieve and before you throw the “upgrading” argument, this generation has lasted by far the longest ever due to budget and development costs. If morons like stop buying this shit, consoles wont worth pursuing in the future.

Infact, the way this goes consoles games will require 5 million+ to make profit.

Mr.F

Yawn…. I’m a retard coz I haven’t seen the thing??? What you mean the console’s case??? What the console looks like is irrelevant, it’s the games what matter. This console is gonna make me & millions of others happy :D Oh no wait its gonna be shit coz the pc gamers told us so! :( Damn I’m fucked! You win, I’m not gonna buy it now as the master race has spoken!

Mr.F

P.s fuck your higher settings bullshit as only geeks who are still virgins care about that shit! I’ve got a life, a woman, a job, friends & a social life. I just want decent games on 40in screen with a controller on a simple but quality games console as the rest of my real life is obviously running on settings you can only masturbate over!!!

DarthDiggler

LOL — you know PC game fans can be the worst at times. :)

Like all of us have this time to research for hours and spend hundreds of dollars to get 400 more pixels on your screen with shadows!

dakan45

400 pixesl more

….WHAAAAAAAAAAT?

gtfo SERIOSULY gtfo, PIXELS? YOU mean the that you get a bazillion more with higher resolution, you mean the 60 fps? You mean the superior textures and shadows, you mean the new rendering techologues, you mean the superior settings that your shitty console couldnt handle? All that for a mere 250 videocard not 400, but you are the typical moron who doesnt know shit. My card costed 240 when i got it 4 years ago, still run most games on max and rest on high at superior resolution fps and graphics than your shitty ps3 can hope to imagine.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Bullshit. What’s your videocard that you “paid $240 4 years ago?” It probably can’t even max out Metro 2033 at 1080p, let alone play Battlefield 3 or Crysis 3 on High settings. Everything you’re saying sounds like complete bullshit.

My $350 HD7970 can’t even max out Crysis 3 on Very High. You’re telling me that your shitty little 4-year old GPU can run Crysis 3 on High?

Tell me this magical $240 GPU that you bought 4 fucking years ago that can run Crysis 3 or BF3 on High . You CAN’T.

dakan45

No it cant max metro on 1080p because that game was broken just like cryostasis. I do play battlefield 3 on high settings, not crysis 3 though because it requires a dx11 gpu, the console version looks worse than crysis 2 on pc. Still the console version of crysis doesnt look as good as the pc version. It is gtx 275.

“My $350 HD7970 can’t even max out Crysis 3 on Very High”

and guess what? My friend with his gtx660 TI and a 8core amd cpu can max the game in very high, no AA. Imagine how it will be if i used a intel cpu.

nvidia>amd.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

By max out, I mean average 60 fps, at least 4x SMAA, and 1080p in Crysis 3. Your friend cannot do that with his 660ti, sorry to break your little delusions. The CPU doesn’t make a huge difference in performance. The GPU is FAR more important.

“Still the console version of crysis doesnt look as good as the pc version. It is gtx 275.”

Um, who cares? Why are you comparing 8-year old consoles to your PC? Nobody cares. It’s an ignorant comparison.

dakan45

ahahahahhh Why? Do you need 4X SMAA? NO you dont, why use something you dont need? THose antialising techinques are very heavy perfomance, eg the ubersampling in witcher 2 totally destroys perfomance. Some settings are not design to actually use, they are just there. 8core 4ghz cpu with 660 TI… it runs max payne 3 perfectly fine, if you put X4 MSSA it run at 20 fps if not less. What retarded logic is this? You play on shitty consoles and prasie ps4 while you want to “max out” a game in setting that not even ps5 will be able to fuckign run. What is wrong with you kid? are you fucking retarded? You already got a far more powerfull and better looking version. Hell dawnfall will propably be at 720p barelly 30 fps and have obvious need for antiallising.

Actually crysis 3 does utilize 8 cores, same card with a quad core got far far worse perfomance. Hell the first crysis doesnt even use quadcores.

The point is that crysis has yet to be achieved on consolesa game from 2007, the ps3 launched around that time, but for some weird reason THIS TIME it will be diffrient and ps4 will actually manage to run crysis 3. Keep living in that dream.

Nvidia knew it and they didnt bother, they wouldnt make a system that would be absolute on launch, amd can keep going for scraps while nvidia has limitless supply of customers on the pc

http://www.facebook.com/POLOSUPASTAR Marvin Deonte’ McClain

He is a troll who is hungry for attention. It’s a shame how much you guys have been feeding him in the comments section. lol. It makes for good entertainment though.

dakan45

and you are a retard who has no arguments to make so go fuckyourself.

GatzLoc

Yea, but if this console is running a 7970m it may be worth it to grab it and use it for a few years, as the graphics race on PC is only worth it once they surpass consoles (i.e 1.5-2.5 years after launch) 18-30 months basically.

dakan45

crysis surapssed consoles in 2007

Current high end pcs are more powerfull than the ps4.

Nvidia the leading force in graphics says it is comparable to a low end gaming pc.

Ps4 uses x86 architecture.

Long story short, ps4 is inferior than the pc RIGHT FUCKING NOW, not in 1-2 years and mose definetly not in 8 fucking years that ths insanely long generation lasted.

Speakin of which the costs are rising, ps4 will have to sell more than the x360 about as much as the wii to survive and game developers will leave consoles becasue of the costs and go back to pc and all that for a fucking crapbox when you could be using a pc.

Pc games cannot surpass consoles when they keep using the same shit hardware for 8 fucking years.

The card that ps4 using is actually pretty weak according to the specs, the 8gb of precious gddr5 that the fanboys praise goes to everythin,not just the videoram.

Since the architecture is the same, the pcversion will be more optimized.

ubisoft said that watchdogs in the ps4 demo was on a pc and the leading version is the pc version and in the future games will be designed on pc and ported to consoles.

Finalyl crytek doubts that anything on the new consoles will look as good as crysis 3 on a pc. Personally i doubt it will happen in the first 2 years atleast.

Mr.F

Exactly right! Not that we’d want to spend all of that time & money on games alone when we have lives to live as well as squeeze in some gaming. His comment that the pc lot play only the “real games which require real skill” cracked me up! It’s also ironic as the pc fan base had to beg & start petitions to get some of our “shitty” games ported over to pc for them as they were jealous of our games! *Dark souls & Grand theft auto V anyone?!?!* as I said before, it’s the games what matter & not technical superiority, without decent games what is a high end pc worth? NOTHING!!!!

dakan45

AHOAHOAO

You crap me up

Where to start? First all it is not a matter of pixels, you must be an idiot to think that.

Second of all games on consoles are designed for retards that cannot even make a choice without someone holding their hands. Games on pc require skill.

Dark souls is a shitty game and gta iv was a pile of shit as well.

Techinical superiority DOES MATTER OR WHY THE FYUCKING FUCK DID YOU COME HERE?

So why dont you get the fuck off this intelligent article and dont go back to your shitty 480p games with 30 fps and shitty thumbsticks that you are completly locked out from interferring you fucking idiot.

Since pc is too hard for you retards and have so much of a life, why dont you go back to your fucking life and leave articles like that to those who actually understand them.

Fucking dipshit.

Mr.F

Learn to read mr superior! 1st I didn’t mention pixels at all & 2nd I mentioned gta v & not gtaiv as the pc crowd are crying hard for their pc version & finally I will not move from this article because I own you, you’re my bitch & I’m having too much fun at your expense!!! LMAO!!! XD

YOU COME INTO A MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE ABOUT CHIP AND TECHONOLOGY COMPARISONS AND MAKE A RETARDED FANBOY COMMENT ABOUT HOW YOU GONNA BUY THIS SHIT AND CALL ME OUT?

SERIOUSLY YOU FUCKIGN DIPSHIT? ARE YOU FUCKIGN SERIOUS?

You come here and type your typical ignorant bullshit. HERE? On a typical clueless article, i get it, but here?

Sorry but pcs are superior and ps4 is shit, the graphics pc have cannot even be concivied by you consoletards and YES THE GRAPHICS MATTER, not only virgin no life care about that. The virgin no life peopel you reffer to made graphics cards, the pc you use right now and your shitty ps4.

But that is beside the point ,the point, is ps4 is suck and typical ignorant faggot retards like you buy this pile of shit and support this shit to continue.

Enjoy yout shitty console that is dead on arrrival you retard.

Mr.F

Lovely essay there! Yawn!!!! You’re really angry about the ps4 aren’t you?!?! Stop shooting your mouth of little boy as things you find important don’t mean shit to most people who live a life outside their bedroom! All I know is I’m 10x a man that what you could ever be! This article this, superior graphics that, blah blah blah!! Come & meet me & I’ll break your jaw in one punch & then I’ll slice your face up into little ribbons & then calmly walk away whistling

Mr.F

P.s this article wasn’t about chip & technology comparisons, it’s about the business decisions being made by a company (fair enough) but then slagging off the project they “walked” away from without even seeing the finished article (amateur & ignorant)

dakan45

“lovely essay”

“yawn”

You trully behave like a little kid and then you come hear saying fanboy “IT LOOKS EPIC! BUYING DAY 1 bullshit” and trhow “you have no life virgin i got a wife” bullshit when in reallity you are a sad little console retarded kid.

Also yeah this is about techonlogy, but ofcourse you didnt even read the first page, you just came here and said said completly irrelevant bullshit like you didnt read the article.. WAIT you didnt that explains alot.

So since you are a ps3 owner and you dont care about the graphics, or the business and just gona buy it anyway WHY THE FUCK DID YOU even bother posting. Just go back to your “life” and “wife” and buy shit every year. Just remember this EVERYONE has negative feedback about the ps4 apart from ps dumb fanboys like you that believed the bullshit that a ps3 is a 4000$ pc and due to the 8 precious core it is more powerfull than the x360. When in reallity you have no arguments or knowledge whatsoever.

Mr.F

This article is more about business decisions & profits & losses with a small mention of blu ray & what gpu was supplied to each console,hardly any technical comparisons. So it seems YOU should read it again before you dig yourself an even deeper hole! Buying day 1 comment is a statement that nvidia will not change my mind as their position is way too convenient for me to listen to let alone change my mind in what I choose to buy. As for no real arguments, well I feel that I can’t argue with an idiot! Not enough brains to battle with so keep fishing bitch, you ain’t getting shit!!! Your opinion means less than nothing to most of us on this site!!! LOLZ!!! XD

dakan45

page 2 asshole, page 2.

No asshole nvidia wont change your mind, you are the same retard that bought ps3 and thought its 8 precious cores will defeat the x360 and that you need a 4000$ pc to match it.

Same fucking bullshit. Who do you need to say it to you that ps4 is bad in order to believe it. Just answer me this, i cant think anyone better than nvidia or crytek saying that we wont see crysis 3 pc quality graphics on the new systems.

I cant think of anyone else graphics wise that is better to make those statements. The top graphics card manufacturer, the top graphics develelopers have spoekn, waht else do you need you fucking retarded fanboy?

“!! LOLZ!!! XD”

yeah when you grop up you might reallize that you spended 600-700 dollars to a crapbox that you could have gotten for 300-400 if you build it yourself on pc….and that is only becasue pc hardware are replaced the whole time so morons like you wont buy old dated pieces of shit but actual good hardware.

Your parents money are well invested though, since you are way too stupid to buy this yourself, i so believe you are married after posting
“!! LOLZ!!! XD”

Mr.F

Your crusade against the ps4 is pointless. You just don’t get it do you?? Me along with loads of other gamers are not graphics whores. I DON’T CARE IF CRYSIS 3 PC LEVEL GRAPHICS ARE NOT ACHIEVABLE ON PS4!!! A reasonable upgrade from ps3 is good enough for me & millions of others! You need to get over the fact that not everyone sees things your way & prefer a games console over a PC as its making you look more pathetic with every post!

Mr.F

You’re only gonna be happy when the world stops being a “retard” & starts to think like you, dump the idea of consoles & go out & buy a PC all of a sudden, IT’S NOT GONNA HAPPEN! GET OVER IT! YOU’LL NEVER BE HAPPY!! SO YOU LOSE!!! & yes I am married & happy, better than being a lonely confused, angry virgin!!! Nice knowing you I’m done. Post all you like you’re talking to yourself now. LOLZ XD LOLZ XD LOLZ XD

dakan45

” gamers are not graphics whores.”

Oh i apologize then but let me give you some history the ps fanboys have been bashing pc with bullshit like “you need a 4000$ pc to reach ps3″ and “uncharted 2 and god of war 3 are the best looking games ever”

Judging by your comments you dont look any less of a sonytard than those morons i just described. Wanna know who looks pathetic? the ps fanboys.

DakansMOM

ya the PS3 with its 8 cores actually did defeat the precious x360….look at total world wide sales dipshit

dakan45

What is nice? that he is a clueless fuck?

dakan45

This is trully laughable, as if the 40inch screen is somehow increasing the locked in resolution and low framerate.

DarthDiggler

You can’t compare a general purpose PC to a console. The console won’t have any of that Windows bullcrap. PCs generally don’t have unified memory (and none of them use 8GB GGR5).

Look the fact is if you are a PC gamer today, the PS4 announcement probably doesn’t mean much to you. If you are a console gamer, that likes a turn key solution for your entertainment and are not an avid DIY (EG: You don’t have tons of time on your hand) the PS4 game console looks to be a great solution.

I used to PC game, got tired of upgrading for games. It almost seemed at times the Devs were pushing hardware more than software at times. With the console market the devs are locked into a standard configuration and can exploit that configuration for all its worth. You just can’t do that on a PC.

dakan45

I am not comparing it, NVIDIA said it specificly a gaming pc.

“any of that Windows bullcrap.”

No it will have a jap bullcrap that sony uses. Seriously what you mean by that, that somehow windows kills perfomance? Old shitty argument only 2gb are used by os, games are x32 so no more than 3.25gb are used.

No pcs dont have unified memory. But a pc with 8gb of DDR3 is “faster” than GDDR5 if you wanna play that game, GDDR4 is coming but if you think the numner makes a huge fucking diffirence then you are a complete idiot. If thats the case then lets all set our ram to run at 200mhz, it will make such a huge fucking diffirence…NOPE it wont. A videocard has 2gb of ram and 8gb of the ram= 10gb, with 16gb of ram and the upcoming 3gb or more videocards, pcs have tremendous amount of ram. So your argument is invalid.

“he PS4 game console looks to be a great solution.”

WHYYYY?

It is a weak console, if the price is around 600 it doesnt worth it. You havent seen the new xbox yet and in the end, in a year or two most pcs are more powerfull than consoles. Now that the ps4 is inferior right fuckign now and it uses x86 architecture. Games will be made on pc and ported to the ps4. Long story short the ps4 is dead on arrival.

Just switch to pc

” got tired of upgrading for games.”

My cpu and gpu are 4 yers old and they werent top of the line back then either. Still playing most games on high and rest on max. Now with x86, there wont me much point of upgrading. Unless they pull a crysis 3 that the console version is far behind the lowest settings of the pc version. Infact uncharted 2? mw2 looks better on pc than that. God of war 3? Just a consolish game with 1080p nothing impressive.

Consoles are so far behind, it is pointless

“Devs were pushing hardware more than software at times.

Propably due to bad ports, which is gonna be far far less now, and the fact that pcs game DO move forward and not trying to squize everything out of old hardware therefore staying at the same place.

“ith the console market the devs are locked into a standard configuration
and can exploit that configuration for all its worth. You just can’t
do that on a PC.”

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT?

The only good console wise is that you have to optimize less due to same fucking hardware for 8 years. THAT WAS IT. It was the longest console generation for development costs and had to fuckng die already.

Pc allows you to EXPLOIT more for your buck.

So you could have better textures and graphics and new technologies but the consoles dont have any more juice. Pc has, so you could have bigger levels but the consoles cant handle it. So you could have mods, but again “consoles”

Infact what you seem to be missing is that millions and millions were spend to make the games run on old piece of crap that ps3 and x360 were. Not on pc though. If that is your idea about “exploit” and “configuration” you might wanna hit yourself in the face.

The only reason sony asked nvidia and amd to do it, is becasue they cant compete anymore. Developers are not idiots, they get paid to develop exclusively and deliver good ports. Developers needed the x86 architecture that pc uses in order to spend less money and time with the fucking porting.

Got it?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Who was talking about mods? You need to take some Ritalin, because you seem to lose focus of the argument very easily. In fact, you fail to put out any coherent arguments with any supporting evidence whatsoever. All you do is scream, “AMD failz!!1 PS4 failz!!!11″ at the top of your lungs like an illiterate child. Not to mention that your terrible spelling and grammar make you seem sound even more stupid.

The original point is that consoles are closed platforms, which makes optimization for them far easier for developers. That is a FACT.

Btw, I’m still waiting for you to tell me about that magical 4-year old GPU that can run Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3 smoothly on High settings and 1080p.

dakan45

how about you fuck yourself with that ritalin that you advertize, no idea what is is, must be famous in MERCIA not here though.

“coherent arguments with any supporting evidence”

You mean like you have been avodiing my questions al lthe time.

“The original point is that consoles are closed platforms, which makes
optimization for them far easier for developers. That is a FACT.”

“Not to mention that your terrible spelling and grammar make you seem sound even more stupid.”

“The original point is that consoles are closed platforms, which makes
optimization for them far easier for developers. That is a FACT.”

my MOTHERFUCKING POINT is that x86 makes optimization easier for cross platform especially pc and that a closed platform needs millions and millions to spend in order to optimized games to run on old pile of crap while pc actually moves forward. Got it?

I’m not a grammar nazi, but when you’re constantly spamming articles with hundreds of idiotic comments–cursing at people, arguing with people, insulting people–you better make sure you sound intelligent, write neatly, and double-check everything you write before submitting. Otherwise, you end up sounding like an annoying, stupid little kid on the internet spamming comments endlessly. Do you have any idea how stupid and immature you sound in every single one of your hundreds of comments in these PS4 articles?

“…a closed platform needs millions and millions to spend in order to optimized games to run on old pile of crap…”

Wow, can you exaggerate more? If it takes millions just to optimize for consoles, every company would be going bankrupt. Why are there so many console developers if optimizing for consoles is so costly and not worth it? Why are so many developers and games, like Rockstar’s GTAV and Bungie’s Destiny, only coming to consoles (right now)? Why develop for consoles at all, instead of switching over completely to PC, if it was not worth it? YOUR LOGIC FAILS.

dakan45

Yes you are a grammar nazi.

You proven that multiple times.

So many developers? Bungie only made xbox games. You dont know shit about destiny so shut your whole As for gta v and rockstar? You do reallzie that max payne 3 and gta iv are by far the most expensive games ever created and that max payne 3 sold ONLY 3 million copies on launch.

So yeah the costs are rising. Dead space 3 had to sell 5 millions.

Crysis 1 got 3 million, crysis 2 got 3 million on 3 systems. Crysis 3 was made by the ramaining profits of crysis 1 and some of 2.

So yeah it has all gone to shit, consoles are too expensive, expect many devs to go back to pc next gen.

DakansMOM

Actually Bungie did make PC games, if i remember correctly they made Halo 1 and Halo 2 which were released on PC.

DakansMOM

“”The original point is that consoles are closed platforms, which makes

optimization for them far easier for developers. That is a FACT.”

my MOTHERFUCKING POINT is that x86 makes optimization easier for cross platform especially pc and that a closed platform needs millions and millions to spend in order to optimized games to run on old pile of crap while pc actually moves forward. Got it?”

You actually have that backwards. When working with a closed system, you know that every customer has the exact same hardware meaning you do not have to make your game as scaleable. So production time is less, as is cost. WIth PCs, you have to account for sometimes houndreds if not thousands of different system configurations

dakan45

Actually you are wrong. Do you have any idea how much cash were put into making games running on 8 year old shit hardware?

You do reallize that developers are afraid of the new consoles and the development costs they bring?

Finally since x86 is used. Games will be made on pc and ported to consoles by lowering the graphics. It is far more scalable and logical. You dont really have to scale backwards since pcs are more powerfull than the next gen consoles now as both nvidia and crytek who are the best when it comes to graphics have confirmed.

So essentially the one they got to scale down for is consoles.

Hell, watchdogs on ps4 was demoed on a pc and the lead version is the pc version.

Still the argument that pc amd users will get “more optimized” games becasue ps4 uses amd hardware is ludicrous.

DakansMOM

“No pcs dont have unified memory. But a pc with 8gb of DDR3 is “faster” than GDDR5 if you wanna play that game, “

….What the fuck are you snorting, tell me then, why do video cards use DDR5 these days compared to GDDR3, and are you actually trying to tell me that the speed off your system memory has no effect on your games performance?

” A videocard has 2gb of ram and 8gb of the ram= 10gb, with 16gb of ram and the upcoming 3gb or more videocards, pcs have tremendous amount of ram. So your argument is invalid.”

do you know how to add, and show me one video card with 10Gb of ram. I am assuming you are saying that the system has 8Gb of ram. But even then lets see, any one in the indutry will tell you that you need 2 times the amount of ddr3 memory to be comparable to GDDR5 (thats why GDDR5 is so expensive and only comes in sticks of 512Mb). So 16GB of DDR3 is equivalent to 8Gb of GDDR5. Ohh but wait lets not forget windows at idle…can use up to 3Gb of ram (research this if you want their is plenty of evidence to support it) so you really only have about 13Gb of ram available and that is at idle so lets just say 12 to be safe. Now that is the equivalent of about 6.5Gb of GDDR5, then you have your 3Gb GDDR5 graphics card so you have a total of 9.5Gb worth of GDDR5 power. But of course the PS3 is unified memory which means developers can use more memory for graphics then your 3Gb video card. And since the GPU and CPU are on one die, and you have a unified memory system, you have much better performance then with a dedicated GPU with its own bank of memory. The APU aproach has always been a great idea in theory, problem is INTEL just makes really shitty ones.

“GDDR4 is coming”……

Wow you really don’t know your shit on this one, GDDR4 is a type of graphics card memory that was replaced very quickly by GDDR5. Now if you mean just plan DDR4, your right, it should be coming next year, however its still based on DDR3 just lower voltage with a slightly higher clock rate. It still does not compare to the GDDR5 memory in the PS4 and rumored in the next XBOX…GDDR ram is much much faster then standard DDR. the PS4 uses GDDR5 ram for both GPU and CPU…..If you know anything about computers you would now that this is a first, no computer ever built uses GDDR as a source of system memory.

dakan45

“”GDDR4 is coming”……”

Typo, look you made one to “So you are But a pc with 8gb of DDR3 is “faster” than GDDR5 if you wanna play that game, “

You must not know shit.

I dont need to point out anything other than the sole fact that my 5 year old GDDR3 card still works fine on games. Or you think that just becasue i overcloked my ram, it will somehow supperboost perfomance? On x86 architecture the most imporatnt is cpu raw power that interfaces with the memory controllers for alot of ram. Basicly ps4 has weak cpu power and alot of ram which is propably the reason they went with x86, foar alot of ram. The access between re allocation will be high but the raw power of the cpu and gpu are a load of shit. PS4 will never maximize its ram.

“and are you actually trying to tell me that the speed off your system memory has no effect on your games performance?”

Yes your RAM speed doesnt effect your game perfomance. Or you gonna imply that x32 exes that use only 3.25gb of ram utilize your maximum ram? If you wana go by amd, the AM3 have the memory controllers on diffirent are than the am2 cpus and use DDR3, are you somehow implying that games are somehow designed to utilize 2000mhz of ram and only 3.25gb of them, so someone with 800mhz of ram and otherwise the same setup will gain some significant improvement than the other one? Because that shows that you are completly clueless as to how console based the games are and we wont see anything like that till the most advanced developers innovate and make a pc only title that utilizes pc hardware 100% completly. or you forgeting that crysis in 2007 did not utilize quad cores and most games still dont utilize sli nor to mention how unoptimized most High end graphical games are?

If games were made for pc at the same degree they are made for consoles, then and only then more ram speed would matter but we are far from tackling ram power to even a remote level.

“and show me one video card with 10Gb of ram.”

I thought i explained that, ps4 is unified, the ram goes everywhere, current pc games use only 3.25gb of ram, X64 games with ram and vram would make the ps4 irrelevant, yet still pcs are more powerfull .I highly doubt that ps4 will ever utilize all of its ram, suffice to say that not all of it works as VRAM but also as system memory dont forget that.

“.I am assuming you are saying that the system has 8Gb of ram’

Has 6, and that is alot sicne games only use 3.25, windows use about 2gb so with 5-6 ram you are golden. When games use x64 exes, we will see.

“any one in the indutry will tell you that you need 2 times the amount of ddr3 memory to be comparable to GDDR5″

Actulaly DDR3 is faster than GDDR5. Ram is always faster than videoram. pay attention to what i am saying here, i am not comparing gddr3 with gddr5, but with ddr3 and ddr3 is designed for constant random access so essentially it is faster. Ps4 had to use GDDR5 in order be used for texture loading and constantly cycled through cpu and gpu and system tasks.

Windows at idle never uses 3gb, 2.50 i can understand but if it uses 3gb, you are not on idle, some programming is taking away power. it is like saying that the 32bit version of windows is useless since x32 uses 3.25gb of ram.

“But of course the PS3 is unified memory which means developers can use more memory for graphics then your 3Gb video card.”

You made a typo, other than that, what you said makes little sense.

“which means developers can use more memory for graphics”

I already covered that, all the memory will never be used. It is an overkil. THe raw gpu and cpu power of the ps4 are weak. That matters alot in x86. So they are basicly stack with alot of videoram. All that is gonna do is take away the streaming that previous console games have and you will have large maps with great textures. However you will still run at 30 fps and the system wont be able to render advanced physics simulations or tons of screen effects.

It is inevitable that developeers will swtich to x64 and utilize system ram for various functions. So in the end pc has more ram.

“since the GPU and CPU are on one die, and you have a unified memory
system, you have much better performance then with a dedicated GPU with
its own bank of memory.

That is baseless specualtion.

Temitope Olasoko

how dare you speak calmly using good language, explaining a point succinctly and showing signs of high intelligence on the internet?

dakan45sucks

Not only is dakan45 immensely dense, he’s also proven himself a racist. Everything he says is completely worthless.

dakan45

silence dumb fuck

GatzLoc

The reason you got tired, was because you bought low-end hardware every year instead of saving up.

This is the secret they don’t tell you $400 every 3 or 4 years is much better than $100 every single one.

Mid-range hardware is really not worth it, as it is no fun having a card get old after a year; the fact is, many games coming out today look beter on high than max (ultra) as it is just extra shiny lighting. Also, the expectation is going more and more towards triple monitor so 1080p is not considered a mammoth resolution .

What this all adds up to, is that my 7970 despite being a year old, will likely close to max almost all games at 1080p with 60 fps for the next year and a half.

Because I play on high, probably even 3. And, I paid 250 for it used and sold my console (360) and got a water loop. Much better experience.

dakan45

yeah dipshit, my pc is 4 year old and wasnt top of the line back then either.

So in those 4 years have not spended a singe dime for upgrades.

YOU GOT PROVEN WORNG.

dakan45

yeah dipshit, my pc is 4 year old and wasnt top of the line back then either.

So in those 4 years have not spended a singe dime for upgrades.

YOU GOT PROVEN WORNG.

DakansMOM

OMG Shut up because you are losing any credibility you have left. you CAN NOT!!! directly compare the specs of a PC to a console, even if they both use x86 architecture. PCs run mostly windows which requires a greater amount of system resources, much much more then say the ps3. Operating systems for consoles are designed to run in the background with as little load as possible. So again,,,let me go slow for you….you…don’t….know…..shit

dakan45

” you CAN NOT!!! directly compare the specs of a PC to a console,”

Tell that to the faggots who think that just becasue COMPLETLY DIFFIRENT amd hardware is gonna be on the ps4 and tablets, that somehow it will make pc amd hardware more optimized as if the gamed developed for amd console hardware are more similar to amd pc hardware than intel and nvidia. Also completing dismissing drivers.

Pc will beneft from x86 acrhitecture that is all.

“PCs run mostly windows which requires a greater amount of system resources,”

Load of balls. Windows uses 2gb ram at best. So 5-6gb of ram and you dont have to worry about resources since games are x32 and use ONLY 3.25gb ram.

On cpu and gpu. Why the fuck you think games have “Requirements” When The requirements tell you that you need the “insert cpu and gpu here” to run game, it means that they mean WITH windows. Since superior hardware exist now that run games at high to maximum, pc is more powerfull and the lack of OS is not gonna change shit/

Which is biased since the ps4 will have a browser and facebook apps, wtf you think? that this is not a “OS” or you are deluded as to how much resources the windows OS uses?

Also ps4 ram is unified, thats all it fucking gots 8gb of GDDR5, 2gb-3gb and 4gb of GDDR5 videocards exist now. You can bet your ass we will see 5-6 gb videcards in the next 2-3 years.

Also 8-16gb drr3 with upcoming ddr4 in this year. Games will start use x64 which will allow all that ram to be utilized directily into the game, so we got a bout 20+gb extra than the ps4.

Also, FaceBook and Web browsers are NOT a part of the OS, they are apps you sad sad man.

im gonna leave it at this because I simply do not have the patience for you. Do not for one second though think I am saying that consoles are better then PC’s. The PC will always be better then consoles, I too have a PC built 3 years ago that I have not had to update one thing on, and I can play a lot of current games on very high settings. But 1, you do not know what the hell you are talking about and 2, PC is built to be general purpose while a console is designed for hardware. Again, I have said it before, you can have inferior equipment in a closed system that can out perform or perform evenly with a PC.

Now please go away. Im getting a headache

dakan45

First paragraph, provided no proof. Perhaps you should educate yourself trolling dipshit., using a name to flame me.

Second paragraph confirms that you are a retard since the APPS run on os.

third paragraph.You only confirm what i said and you have yet to prove that i do not know what i am saying yet you somehow do when you make posts like these:

” PC is built to be general purpose while a console is designed for
hardware. Again, I have said it before, you can have inferior equipment
in a closed system that can out perform or perform evenly with a PC.”

What does that even mean?

“while a console is designed for
hardware”

wtf? you mean games? becasue i have disproven that argument a bazillion of times. In short the resources used by your pc are irrelevant to be compared with consoles and a made up missonception.

Also where is the “inferior harwdare” that “outperfom” a pc?

What are you talking about?

Are you comparing multiplats? Because in that case there 2 major missconceptions.

1. You playing crysis 3 on ps3 or x360 is even lower than playing crysis 3 on pc on the lowest settings. Hell cod on pcs looks far better than the precious uncharte 2-3 that the fanboys hype. God of war 3 is not even a impressive looking game, just a crap looking console game that runs on 1080p. Or should i point out max payne 3 that the console version runs on low settings? Or bioshock infinite that is 30 gb on pc and only 6 on consoles?

This stupid missconception that a consoletard that plays a game in 720p with barelly 30 fps, crap textures low draw distance, no ambient occlusion and overall inferior graphics covered up by blur…can somehow compare with the pc version running on a avera rig…. is absolutly retarded. Also read the second reason before maknig any claims, it is important you read both first.

2. It is a matter of optimization, there are tons of badly optimized games like saints row 2, or just cause 2 or cryostasis or gta iv. There are many cases that the game worked well on console but the pc version was fucked up. That is the case with consoles too, you will see various games if not most of them looking and running better on x360 than the ps3 due to the fact that the ps3 architecture was a mess. Now that x86 is used for next gen consoles it is more fair than ever to compare and clearly pc will be in high benefit. So yeah i can say that pcs are more powerfull and now more optimized and the closed system wil not effect much since games will be developed for pc on the get to go.

Finally crysis in 2007, that did not use quad cores, proved that pc was more powerfull than consoles and still to this deay there is nothing like it on consoles, nopw nor 2 or 3 or the remake on xlba/psn look as good as the pc version. If that is the idea of optimization, to lower view distance, fps, resolution and textures and lighting and calll it “enchanced edition” then yeah games are more optimized on consoles lets praise consoles for their suposed “optimization”

McNo

Right. So nVidia didn’t win, because they did not really want to win? Kind of like they don’t really want any of the soon to launch tablets and phones to use Tegra 4 (or 4i)?

Elem187

Nvidia has a lucrative business with the Tegra line of chips. AMD was willing to undersell to win the contract…. Looking at Nvidia’s financials they are way in the black, while AMD is darn well near dead.

steve smith

“AMD was willing to undersell to win the contract” i’m sorry, but how the hell could you possibly know this? Maybe it just worked out cheaper to have both CPU and GPU on one piece of silicon? Another mr know it all. Clueless.

Elem187

Help! I’m being attacked by a fan of the newly gimped PS4!!
Low end parts for a low end console, what is there to be angry about? The processor in the PS4 is fit to be stuffed into a netbook/tablet, and the GPU is a low to midrange card…. sorry if the truth hurts.

disqus_LnZ8w1lW1X

Low end part for a low end console, hopefully will equal to a low cost console at the same time packing a punch for a cheaper price, what need there is to have a super duper cpu/gpu in a consoe if they cannot exploit it properly?

steve smith

Good old ignorance.

dakan45

They cant handle it, poor fanboys.

DarthDiggler

No you aren’t being attacked Elem187, you are being called out for fanboy style comments.

You don’t know what played in the negotiations for the PS4 / Xbox 720. You are only speculating, unless you work at AMD and you brokered these deals.

The fact is NVIDIA doesn’t have any type of APU to offer. So they would have had to work with another chip manufacturer. So technically what NVIDIA is saying is true, the opportunity cost would had been too high. They just leave out the ugliness — DUE TO A LACK OF CAPABILITIES!

“The processor in the PS4 is fit to be stuffed into a netbook/tablet, and
the GPU is a low to midrange card…. sorry if the truth hurts.”

Again you are making speculations. Sony has never released a processor without its own special custom code in it. Considering the pedigree they have with electrical engineering it would be supremely short sighted of them not to continue this with the PS4. No matter HOW you want to classify the APU in the PS4 it will not be an APU you can buy on the store shelf. The AMD/Sony APU will be a custom processor for the PS4. There will be similar processors that will release, but none as specialized as the PS4 APU. The GPU will be a mid-range GPU with a great deal of memory to play with. Let me know when you get a notebook with 8GB GDDR RAM. As it stands now the only video card available with that kind of memory would be one of the Tesla GPUs which go for about $3000+.

Not to mention the fact that the PS4 effectively removes all the PC BS. There will be no need to move things from system ram to video ram. So while you can brag about later generation GPUs they won’t be as necessary in a platform that is highly optimized to deliver awesome games.

Have fun gaming on Windows 8. :)

dakan45

wtf is this bullshit

” Sony has never released a processor without its own special custom
code in it. Considering the pedigree they have with electrical
engineering it would be supremely short sighted of them not to continue
this with the PS4.”

Wtf seriosuly.

“he GPU will be a mid-range GPU with a great deal of memory to play with.
Let me know when you get a notebook with 8GB GDDR RAM. As it stands
now the only video card available with that kind of memory would be one
of the Tesla GPUs which go for about $3000+.”

More bullshit, so you telling me that you do not reallize that the 8GB of “precious” GDDR5 is so fucking important to you sony fanboys WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WTF THAT MEANS. While it is used along with the ram, the vram and the cpu.

Now that you know that, it is not really that fucking powerfull.

By the way by that logic a mere 8600GT 1GB is more powerfull than a 9800GTX+ 512MB simply becasue it has more ram. Trully retarded argument.

“PS4 effectively removes all the PC BS”

It doesnt do shit but i fail to see how is that relevant when you post bullshit like

Yep AMD IS GOING TO DIE!!!! Too bad as well they could had some interesting products!!!

DarthDiggler

As long as their are gaming PCs and consoles AMD will have people to sell their products to. The fact is AMD competes in a much different manner than NVIDIA and Intel.

In terms of the computing market, they are more of a player for clusters and grids. Intel just can’t compete in terms of cost per core of CPU power. AMD offers GPU computing similar to Tesla but it hasn’t been a huge seller. I can tell you from experience though the GPU computing market is pretty small overall. IMHO NVIDIA may have even over estimated the GPU computing marketplace.

Overall I prefer Intel for computing solutions, but I understand where AMD serves certain needs better.

dakan45

AMD was ATI, remember that. AMD is lookign for money that is all.

” NVIDIA may have even over estimated the GPU computing marketplace.”

They are on top for years, tell me again how they understamated themselfs

NJNICK

I’m not sure as to why the author believes that the shift to 20% in console and tablet sales is such a stretch. PC sales are falling and falling fast. Tablets are still in the early stages of development. AMD is on the right path with their APU/GPU combination. Future Tablets will have as much computing power as desktop PC’S and consumer expectations will drive that to happen. I’m betting(speculating) that Rory Read is DOWNPLAYING the 20% factor. In all likelihood that number for tablets and consoles will end up be higher. The author includes zero fact to back up his assumption. In my world signing the agreement to sell your wares is much better than watching my competitor sign the contract. Sounds like sour grapes on the part of Nvidia. Time will tell.

http://www.facebook.com/NikitaNovikov Nikita Novikov

This article makes a few assumptions too many. Nvidia saying they let AMD have it.. this is “spin” and you fell for it buddy.

GatzLoc

He’s a known Nvidia/Intel fanboy.

GatzLoc

He’s a known Nvidia/Intel fanboy.

Kamille

Kotaku… What a joke. lol

steve smith

What a load of bollocks! Maybe the fact that GCN is superior when it comes to compute power, which will be needed for the games physics effects, Kepler sucks big time in compute power (TressFX any one?) The fact that

dakan45

“they lost to a superior product. END OF!”

What superior product?

steve smith

Can you not see everyone disagreeing with everything you write? Does that not say something to you? Stop making a fool of yourself, and go and troll elsewhere. You bring a whole new meaning to the phrase “ignorance is bliss”!

dakan45

“everyone disagreeing with everything you write”

As if the console retards who cant even properly understand pc architecture have any validity or knowledge aside from pure fanboysm. Everyone can “dissagree” but also everyone can make baseless claims based on missconceptions like how expensive the pc gaming is and how ps4 is super powefull because it has “8 gb of precious gddr5″ without even knowing what that means and how it will be used. Not to mention believing that the amd tablet and ps4 hardware are somehow providing more optimization to pc amd hardware when in reallity they are completly diffirent work under diffirent API and drivers.

So yeah their word doesnt mean SHIT, since all of them gave up the argument when i proved them wrong .They are the ones that make a full of themselfs but in a world that “ignorance is bliss” they can afford to talk bullshit. So yeah “ignorance is bliss” for the console faggots who thought that their precious ps4 is more powerfull than the x360 because “it haz more corezzz” and that “a pc with ps4 power is gonna cost atleat 4000$”

Do you see any other pc gamers here? Nope, they dont bother with idiots like you consoletards.

dakan45sucks

Jesus you’re a seriously pretentious fucking troll. Everything you write is a waste of space.

dakan45

says the faggot that made an account to troll me.

CLAP CLAP CLAP, now go die under a bridge.

dakan45

“everyone disagreeing with everything you write”

As if the console retards who cant even properly understand pc architecture have any validity or knowledge aside from pure fanboysm. Everyone can “dissagree” but also everyone can make baseless claims based on missconceptions like how expensive the pc gaming is and how ps4 is super powefull because it has “8 gb of precious gddr5″ without even knowing what that means and how it will be used. Not to mention believing that the amd tablet and ps4 hardware are somehow providing more optimization to pc amd hardware when in reallity they are completly diffirent work under diffirent API and drivers.

So yeah their word doesnt mean SHIT, since all of them gave up the argument when i proved them wrong .They are the ones that make a full of themselfs but in a world that “ignorance is bliss” they can afford to talk bullshit. So yeah “ignorance is bliss” for the console faggots who thought that their precious ps4 is more powerfull than the x360 because “it haz more corezzz” and that “a pc with ps4 power is gonna cost atleat 4000$”

Do you see any other pc gamers here? Nope, they dont bother with idiots like you consoletards.

http://www.facebook.com/jacob.carlen.7 Jacob Carlen

50 million is NOT half a billion. Somebody fell asleep in math a few too many times.

D Keith

50 Million PS3’s sold, not 50 Million dollars. Someone fell asleep in English a few too many times. It was obviously in reference to the earned royalties.

DarthDiggler

NVIDIA seems to have no end of crap talking since PS4 announced.

The fact is NVIDIA is a pretty crappy company overall. Their GPU segment for servers seems to be run by a bunch of freaking clowns. Not saying AMD is leagues better, but NVIDIA has no room to talk.

dakan45

WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Nvidia is the best GPU company, it has by far the biggest game support, the best drivers all the techdemos run on nvidia. If nvidia says that the ps4 is a low end gaming pc, it is a low end gaming pc, end off story, you ps4 fanboys can continue being butthurt but truth is, the ps4 fuckin sucks, accept it.

DarthDiggler

Dude I am not talking about games. I am talking about COMPUTING. Sure they have good technology, but they aren’t leaps and bounds better than AMD like their brochures speak of. They talk as if their products are the penultimate performance. This is from a company that consistently ships late with a higher power budget than they advertise before they ship.

They run their Tesla line like it’s a Geforce GPU an they are trying to cater to professionals. Any time I build a system with NVIDIA Tesla (and sometimes Quadro) the GPU is always the last item to arrive.

Their tardiness to the marketplace is likely the #1 reason why Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony have opted against using their products. Living up to contract schedules is a basic corporate principle which NVIDIA seems to think doesn’t apply to them.

As an encore when their bad business practices lock them out of the console market they bad-mouth the console companies that will use their competitors because they know how to live up to their contracts.

So keep pontificating on how awesome NVIDIA has been for your gaming rig, while the rest of us are discussing the things that matter to business.

dakan45

No they aint. But they have the technologies, perfomance and best drivers. Even when amd claimed that they were leaders on far cry 3, nvidia cards came on top on benchmarks.

You seriously whine that tesla and quadro workstations take more time to arrive? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? That is your point?

“Their tardiness to the marketplace”

What tardiness?

What are you even talking about? Every time nvidia came out on top, every time. Ati had to sell out to amd because of that.

There is no cue as to why MS choose to not use em, propably for the same reason ps3 did. TO have their own closed platform. Wii used amd, cant say it did them any good. This is what you gonna see with ps4 a failure like wii graphics. Nvidia knows what it takes amd is scrapping off with shitty products.

andrey

News flash AMD’s driver problems in far cry 3 were fixed.
Nvidia had a little better fluency for a short period of time in a game that is a couple of months old in this moment.

dakan45

Propblems?

The game was benchmarked and AMD claimed to be the leading force on far cry 3 perfomance, as it turns out not only nvidia was at the perfomance to price ratio but it was superior in most.

andrey

In the first months after the game was launched AMD cards were faster in FC3. Even not they have higher frame rates but they had problems with the frame times. Problems that were fixed with the last driver update.

dakan45

You assume i speak for launch, that amd said they were superior and were not, yet i speak for now. FC3 works better on nvidia not amd as they want you to think.

Tomb raider was like the first game i have ever heard to have tremendous issues with nvidia where amd has happen multiple times, saboteur, rage and others. So the bechmark with titan is irrelevant since the game did not work properly at that time and developers had to patch the game to fix it and still are.

andrey

FC3 does not work better on Nvidia stop with the bullshit.
Battlefield 3 is another game in witch Nvidia GTX 600 users have problems.
Google is yours you can check it for yourself.

dakan45

Yes it does dipshit. Proven in benchmarks Bf3 has problems on gtx 600? how come my friend doesnt and i didnt either with gtx 200.

Jin

Hey Nvidia fanboy! You are quite obvious and stick out like a sore thumb. What if AMD hardware are crap and PS4 is a piece of shit Console. In the end AMD got the contract and will be selling 50 mill+ consoles. Plus 50+ mill Wii U and 50+ the Next Xbox. While you taunt now how AMD drivers are crap, in the future all game drivers will be way more optimized for AMD platform and on top of that AMD CPUs will have a boost in multi-thread processing, as we all know that were moving further and further away from single thread coding. And thats the only thing Intel has on AMD when it comes to gaming performance. Any way you put it AMD will be the future of gaming and securing the contract with the consoles is only the FOUNDATION among the gaming community and as much as I love Nvidia’s gaming performance NOW the FUTURE of Nvidia is looking quite grim.

dakan45

Nvidia fanboy? Nope, amd is better than ATI ,fact.

You might wanna rethink about this 50 million you pulled out of your ass. The ps3 had 4 billion in loses while the x360 had only 2.

The point i am making is that if ps4 doesnt sell like crazy, nor sony or amd getting anything and in the end it is a weak console already compared to pcs. Wii u is crap, hard to sell a console that has no games. THere is no confirmation as to what the next xbox has.

“more optimized for amd platform”

I trully facepalm when i hear this, so you telling me that amd’s ps4 and wii u and tablet crap are more similar to pc amd hardware than intel and nvidia?

No it isnt and just because it has amd sticker to it, it doesnt somehow give more perfomance to amd users.

Or you believe the

“optimized for intel”

and

“optimized for dell”

marketing crap?

On top of that we got drivers and diffirent apis, you cant really say that developers will optimize for amd hardware and that this will somehow benefit all, it is trully baseless and retarded, it is diffirent hardware wherever they got a amd sticker on them or not.

“AMD CPUs will have a boost in multi-thread processing,”

Aside from the fact amd is crap and intel is superior, if you compare a inferior intel cpu with superior amd, intel comes on top. Aside form the fact amd 8 core cpus are not actually “8cores” but threaded and that drives evolution downwards. Aside from the fact that intel will make full 8 core cpus aside from the fact that amd bought ati because they were going to shit…..why exactly you think that amd will be the future?

Because they strike deals and make more money? Which is LITTEARLY the only thing keeping them from going bankrupt? Or you think you will get imaginery perfomance boost because of amd making DIFFIRENT AND INFERIOR console chips? Or you think that the developers will somehow optimize for that and not SIMPLY use intel on the pc version like they always do. Or do you think that the completly diffirent rendering that consoles use will somehow affect the perfomance of ATI cards on the pc and NVIDIA will not keep on working close with developers to provide the best drivers?

Let me tell you what REALLY looks grim, computing evolution in general that you prupuse, a future that amd processors which are always weaker than intel will become the standard and therefore the evolution of pc hardware but computing hardware in general will go downwards. Not to mention a future that the diying ATI will handle graphics. That is a future that i dont want to see, because it will be equivilant of iphons and macos taking over and no one will strife to make better hardware, you will be stuck with subpar hardware.

Jin

Seriously, do you really want me to reply to your weak comeback?

Ok first of all, http://www.vgchartz.com/ (front page buddy) each console this gen has surpassed 50 mill. So, it isn’t unrealistic to say they will sell 50 mill+ .

Yes, AMD will be more optimized. Consoles has always been the base and heart of the industry, if not most games that get ported to PC. Reason why Sony was hated this gen was because the ps3 hardware was hard to develop for and it’s the sole reason the ps3 didn’t have more than it should with Software backing.

Why haven’t they PC developers use the full potential of what PC can offer? (I’ll answer this for you) There is no market/payoff for games that run 4 way 690 sli. Game developers will always work around a set margin of success and won’t spend millions of dollars just to make games for a select few to run.

Consider this, consoles are the baseline of what consumers can afford. That sets the price for PC “aftermarket” hardware. Now game developers will have to develop with consoles in mind and don’t go all out crazy with 500 billion polygon environments. Since Sony/MS is going AMD what that means is that games will be developed on AMD platform first on PC and will be ported over minus the ‘bells and whistles’ of pc capabilities. (Take Crysis for example) And now this brings me to my point in the end drivers will be more optimized for AMD.

Jin

Seriously, do you really want me to reply to your weak comeback?

Ok first of all, http://www.vgchartz.com/ (front page buddy) each console this gen has surpassed 50 mill. So, it isn’t unrealistic to say they will sell 50 mill+ .

Yes, AMD will be more optimized. Consoles has always been the base and heart of the industry, if not most games that get ported to PC. Reason why Sony was hated this gen was because the ps3 hardware was hard to develop for and it’s the sole reason the ps3 didn’t have more than it should with Software backing.

Why haven’t they PC developers use the full potential of what PC can offer? (I’ll answer this for you) There is no market/payoff for games that run 4 way 690 sli. Game developers will always work around a set margin of success and won’t spend millions of dollars just to make games for a select few to run.

Consider this, consoles are the baseline of what consumers can afford. That sets the price for PC “aftermarket” hardware. Now game developers will have to develop with consoles in mind and don’t go all out crazy with 500 billion polygon environments. Since Sony/MS is going AMD what that means is that games will be developed on AMD platform first on PC and will be ported over minus the ‘bells and whistles’ of pc capabilities. (Take Crysis for example) And now this brings me to my point in the end drivers will be more optimized for AMD.

Why do I think APU it is the future?

The Unified Architecture of course.

Consider this, the more technology advance the faster everything is going to get. You have CPU, GPU, RAM and Motherboard. One day computers are going to be so fast you will have latency no matter what. And who is in the best position to make the first unified PC?

dakan45

Actually it is, have you noticed how the stocks are falling? Have you noticed how not so many people buy games anymore? Have you noticed things go downwards?

No amd wont be more optimized i explain you why, it is irrelevant to pc hardware.

“Why haven’t PC developers use the full potential of what PC can offer?
(I’ll answer this for you) There is no market/payoff for games that run 4
way 690 sli.”

BIGGEST BULLSHIT I EVER HEARD.

sli? really? 690? REALLY?

I will instantly answer your question. Crysis 3 requires a dx11 1gb card to run. It looks miles superior to 2 and crysis 3 on consoles is a generation behind. Do you think everyone has that hardware to play those games let alone 690 sli?

Still even old hardware is better than the console shit. As nvidia said, low end gaming pc.

It is sad really. The pc cannot be utilized till developers wll stop maknig console focused games tailored for cell streaming with small maps. Now that the ps4 has x86 and lots of ram, that is gonna change.

Pc gaming is not just about high end graphics as crapazillion of indie games have shown. it is a far more varied market.

“won’t spend millions of dollars just to make games for a select few to run.”

Yet they spend far more to run on 8 year old hardwre and still failing at sales and hardly bother at all with pcs.

“Consider this, consoles are the baseline of what consumers can afford. That sets the price for PC “aftermarket” hardware.”

I cried. That is the exact opposite way. Consumers are based on aftermakret hardware as you call it and should even call it that because it is as market-ish as hardware can get it.

lol “market-ish”

The consoles at the other hand are pieces of crap with high cost and in order to make a profit many millions of units need to be sold. So yeah it is the othr wy around.

many developers are scared of the development costs the next generation consoles will bring and will go back to pc where the costs are lower.

“that games will be developed on AMD platform”

Define amd platform? Wii had amd platfrom as you call it. Didnt make it easier to run a emulation on my amd cpu.

“what does emulation have to do”

Everything, you are dismissing pc hardware and drivers and make it sound like amd=amd despite being console or pc hardawre. IN realliy nvidia and intel are far more similar to amd pc hardware than amd consoel hardware.

You have no point on why amd hardware will be more optimized.

amd is shit compaed to intel and nvidia, their products cheap and subpar, if amd is gonna move computing forward, then i trully worry for what i am going to see in the future.

unified pcs wont ever be made as long as amd and nvidia and intel exist. Only crap like the steambox to be sold to idiots who cant build there on.

Which brigs what i have been saying all along, expensive locked out crapboxes< actual custom built pcs.

Jin

Crysis 2 and 3 are console ports. Haven’t you heard, Crytek sold out to the console market. Show me a game that consoles can’t do this gen. Every game that came out this gen has been scaled down in some way due to the limitation of the console. You can’t deny this. With Crysis 3, sure all the ‘bells and whistles’ makes the game look amazing but it’s no leap and bounds difference in the amount of things going on screen that consoles can’t do. Also the environment are scaled down from open world to corridors that are small and pact.

dakan45

“console ports”

ehmm, ehmm The “port” works by porting from console to pc. Crysis 2 was designed on pc and ported on consoles with the same build. The pc version was not particulary messed with, that was the problem. They didnt even bother tweaking the camera accelaration of the FOV.

As for crysis 3? i facepalm that you said console port. Crysis 3 is dx11 only and needs 1gb videocard to run. It has by far the best graphics ever created. By comparison the console version is last gen.

“Show me a game that consoles can’t do this gen”

Ill give you examples, consoles couldnt do crysis, so they took the engine apart and simplified the lighting lowered the texture size cahce and rebuilded it with smaller maps, invisible walls, inferior lighting and textures and awful draw distance for the consoles. Consoles couldnt do far cry 3 either, they had to make the camps smaller so the shitty low memory could handle them. Consoles cant do anything at the size of arma 2 and 3 either, too big for them. Also the amount of effects on crysis 3 on pc is riddiculous, crysis 3 on consoles is just too blury to notice how many of them are missing.

In short, consoles are shit.

disqus_LnZ8w1lW1X

Nvidia video cards are over rated products.

dakan45

What isn’t? Point is they are leading force on graphics FACT.

DarthDiggler

dakan45

“No they aint.”

They “ain’t” what?

“You seriously whine that tesla and quadro workstations take more time to arrive? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? That is your point?

“Their tardiness to the marketplace”

What tardiness?”

It seems to me they hype their products (while in prototype stage) long before they have the ability to ship. Often they don’t commit to firm release dates and only provide quarterly windows which they often miss. On top of that they will release products that require more power than initially advertised. This happened with the Tesla 2000 series of GPU computing cards. Caused all kinds of issues where Size Weight and Power are a big concern. Forced power budgets higher for larger deployments.

“What are you even talking about? Every time nvidia came out on top, every time. Ati had to sell out to amd because of that.”

You aren’t even reading what I am saying. You are just seeing that I have beefs with NVIDIA and you are playing NVIDIA apologist. Fine for a gamer that has no schedule to keep and power budget to work with, NVIDIA is an awesome company. For professionals that like to be treated as such their service leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

“There is no cue as to why MS choose to not use em, propably for the same reason ps3 did.”

I think you mean CLUE. The fact is we don’t know, but considering that NVIDIA has issues with delivering products on time, that couldn’t bode well for them in any negotiations with outside entities.

“Wii used amd, cant say it did them any good.”

Well Wii was the best selling console in the Wii, Xbox 360, PS3 race. It doesn’t seem to have hurt them. Likely PS3 and Xbox 360 will nearly filly that gap in a couple of years time. Not like PS3 using NVIDIA did them any favors, not like Xbox using NVIDIA did them any favors.

“This is what you gonna see with ps4 a failure like wii graphics.”

Oh yeah I am sure all the next gen consoles are going to miss out on that 3-5% more performance. :P The PS4 has already demonstrated graphics superior to the Wii, you are being stupid and demonstrating your brand bias.

“Nvidia knows what it takes amd is scrapping off with shitty products.”

Now you are resorting to ad hominem attacks. I highly doubt the people at AMD feel like they are scapping off with shitty products.

See I am not saying that NVIDIA makes bad products, they make some impressive gear. They are just late and from a business standpoint a very arrogant and shitty company to work with. I am starting to wonder if you are on the board of directors.

dakan45

“they hype their products (while in prototype stage) long before they
have the ability to ship. Often they don’t commit to firm release dates
and only provide quarterly windows which they often miss.”

Sony!!

“power budget to work with,

” For professionals that like to be treated as such their service leaves a bad taste in the mouth.”

Again sony, awful service.

“Well Wii was the best selling console in the Wii, Xbox 360, PS3 race.
It doesn’t seem to have hurt them. Likely PS3 and Xbox 360 will nearly
filly that gap in a couple of years time. Not like PS3 using NVIDIA did
them any favors, not like Xbox using NVIDIA did them any favors.”

Yeah wii sold alot, ps3 is still recoupling the 4 billion dollar loses from ps3 while x360 had only 2 billion dollar loses.

I was talking about raw power that mad lacks, why you think wiiu or ps4 will be any better? Nvidai confirmed it, ps4 is weak. From who do you need to hear it in order to believe it? From amd or sony that is the product they are trying to sell? Or wii that got screwed twice with amd weak systems? If ms says it, you just gonna call them butthurt and call it bashing the opposition. Pc gamers said current pcs are more powerfull nvidia said that it is a low end pc. So what else you need?

Cant say xbox 360 helped nvidia much, why bother again and this time with sony? They tried it, turned them down becasue it didnt worth it. Also the way this goes bazillions of sales will be required in order to hit marks. This is where the industry going? ….and all that, in a “budget” mind you.

“Oh yeah I am sure all the next gen consoles are going to miss out on
that 3-5% more performance. :P The PS4 has already demonstrated
graphics superior to the Wii, you are being stupid and demonstrating
your brand bias.’

I said the failure will be the same, not that it will be as we as WIi u, please.

Also 3-5% more perfomance? PLEASE pcs are more powerfull NOW. this generation lasted 8 years due to development costs. Now we get another weak consoles but this time with pc architecture, cant you see how much shit this is?

OFCOURSE NOT, you are the idiot who thinks pc gaming is about spending 400$ for a few more pixels.

LOL mw2 on my pc looks better than uncharted 2, god of war 3 is an unimpressive console game that runs on 1080p, EVERYTHING runs on 1080p on pc with better graphics.

For comparison means the console version of max payne 3 runs on low settings. CRYSIS 3 on consoles is under the lowest settings of crysis 3 on pc, doesnt even look as good as crysis 2 on pc. Ofcourse crysis 1 on consoles looks like shit compared to the pc version.

Thats how far superior pcs are. Do you get now why i am angry? Amd is only gonna stutter progress even more.

“Now you are resorting to ad hominem attacks. I highly doubt the people
at AMD feel like they are scapping off with shitty products.”

On the cpus, just compare their cpus with intel, inferior intel cpus are more powefull. On videocards, they are ok but second to nvidia and the point is,that wii and wiiu sucked, ps3 will follow.

So nvidia is arogant and shitty but amd has never ever fucked up?

DarthDiggler

WE AREN’T TALKING ABOUT SONY ASSHOLE.

I can’t have a conversation with someone who mistakes buying a graphics card with a religious experience.

Have a good day asshole!

dakan45

HOHOHOHO

SO that is what you result into you sad little fuck. When i tell you how bad sony service IS on those very things and make a long argument dissproving your points, you talk about “relegious view on graphics card” which i dont i used ati for years. Nvidia is better, look the benchmarks, sales and new techonologies and second you say we arent talking about sony.

Yes yes we fucking do, this is ps4 related sony is there and sony is a bunch of dumb japs with horrible service. REALLIZE IT YOU FUCKING FANBOY CUNT.

When I made specific remarks about how shitty of a company NVIDIA is to deal with as a business person, you just assign each criticism to Sony with NO FURTHER explanation.

NVIDIA is shitty to deal with as a businessman, I am sure it’s not a big deal if you have to wait 2 weeks for your latest video card. I know you must have a big schedule of masturbating in your moms basement to attend to, but some of us actually like a company that can deliver their components on time! For BUSINESS (Not Entertainment) — YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT?

You are sitting here shitting on individual games and how much better your PC looks than the games on PS3. I hope you realize that no matter how good you get Modern Warfare to look on your PC it will never affect how much I enjoy Uncharted, God of War, Killzone on my PS3.

I NEVER SAID THAT NVIDIA WASN’T BETTER IN BENCHMARKS YOU STUPID FUCKING ARROGANT PIECE OF SHIT! NOW PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO READ WHAT THE FUCK I SAID INSTEAD OF DOING SOME KNEE JERK REACTIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY READ THE SMALL WORDS WITH YOUR 5TH GRADE LEVEL READING ABILITIES!

The reason I said that you mistake buying a video card for a religious experience is because you are a text book fanboy. Even more so you are an NVIDIA APOLOGIST! They simply can not do any wrong in your eyes and anyone speaking ill of NVIDIA will receive the brunt of your rage. You aren’t even qualified to rebut the issues I have with NVIDIA. Which has NOTHING to do with their GODDAMN GEFORCE GRAPHICS CARDS! Again HAD YOU READ what I said instead of being a NVIDIA FAN BOT perhaps we could have had a useful conversation, instead I have to spend this time pointing out the shortcomings of your reading comprehension.

Lastly let me comment on this fine butchering you have done to the English Language.

“Yes yes we fucking do, this is ps4 related sony is there and sony is a bunch of dumb japs with horrible service. REALLIZE IT YOU FUCKING FANBOY CUNT.”

You know on second thought, I don’t even need to respond to this, you pretty much said it all and completely wrecked the little bit of credibility you had. :)

I’d love to sit and chat but you are a total dick. :)

dakan45

NO YOU SPEAK OUT OF YOUR ASS.

“PS4 graphics will look like Wii?

WHERE DID I FUCKING SAID THAT DIPSHIT? LEARN TO FUCKIGN READ.

” you just assign each criticism to Sony with NO FURTHER explanation.”

You claim nvidia is slow, arrogant, has bad service and is slow to deliver, when to sony domain my little retard. Sony does the same, it has slow and bad service, they are ignorant and basicly provide a shitty service while talking big game.

“no matter how good you get Modern Warfare to look on your PC it will
never affect how much I enjoy Uncharted, God of War, Killzone on my PS3.”

Ofcourse it wont since you settle for subpar shit and never bothered with the superior experiance. Typical sony fanboy.

” NEVER SAID THAT NVIDIA WASN’T BETTER IN BENCHMARKS YOU STUPID FUCKING
ARROGANT PIECE OF SHIT! NOW PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO READ WHAT THE FUCK I
SAID INSTEAD OF DOING SOME KNEE JERK REACTIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY
READ THE SMALL WORDS WITH YOUR 5TH GRADE LEVEL READING ABILITIES!”

WHERE DID I FUCKING SAID PS4 GRAPHICS WILL BE AS BAD AS WII U OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU THINK I SAID?

See? same bullshit.

” because you are a text book fanboy.”

You mean how you are? look at you, you pathetic fuck you even have ps on your avatar,

“so you are an NVIDIA APOLOGIST! They simply can not do any wrong in
your eyes and anyone speaking ill of NVIDIA will receive the brunt of
your rage”

HHAAHAHAHAH like you do with sony you dumb fuck?

Where did i said nvidia has done no wrongs? They have but for irrelevant bullshit claims that you made or any other retard, i just showed them that amd is WORSE, yet you praise the company who did more mistakes and bash nvidia as bad service and other shit.

“You aren’t even qualified to rebut the issues I have with NVIDIA”

What issues? The issues that shouldnt concern you because they are all business issues and SONY HAS THE EXACT SAME ISSUES IF NOT WORSE.

Please kill yourself.

“NVIDIA FAN BOT perhaps we could have had a useful conversation,”

Says the sony fanbot that cant have a usefull conversation, its not like this is the first time i see you praising sony while getting fucked up the ass in other sites as well.

” I have to spend this time pointing out the shortcomings of your reading comprehension.”

OFCOURSE YOU ARE since typos are waking the grammar nazi inside you.

Continue being a grammar nazi, a ignorant fanboy that will defend sony to death and a moron with no actual knowledge and i bet you will come back becasue you enjoy this shit you little fucking troll.

brianc6234

More dumb excuses. Nvidia is just a bunch of crybabies. They lost out on the whole next generation.

Basil_Nolan

What did they lose? AMD bowed to Sony just for a few nickels in royalties.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Care to disclose a few details on that secret contract that you’re somehow privy to? I’m guessing you were somehow in on the contract negotiations between Sony and AMD.

Even if the profit margins for AMD were low (pure speculation), they also gain market share, mindshare in gamers and developers, and greater optimization in all future games for AMD CPUs and GPUs. Games will essentially be lead-developed for AMD hardware, and Nvidia hardware will have to settle for ports that may or may not run as well.

Any way you cut it, it’s a win for AMD.

andrey

That is the truth pure and simple.

dakan45

that is alod of bullshit as if amd tablet and console hardware is more similar to pc hardware than intel and nvidia, not to mention api direct and drivers.

REALLIZE that you fucking idiot.

andrey

Classic fan boy.

dakan45

classic ignorant dipshit who doesnt know shit nor can argue.

Tell me how does a tablet and a console and amd cpu or the ATI gpu, let me say that again ATI it is not like amd and ati are developed together. That is bullshit and a marketing theme.

Tell me how exactly will it bypass drivers and directx?

I dont know how more simply to put this THE PC HARDWARE ARE NOT CONSOLE HARDWARE JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT A FUCKING AMD STICKER ON THEM.

Nor is directx.

Let alone the fact most developers use nvidia and intel for more power.

But then again you must be one of those idiots who believe the

“nvidia the way its meant to be played”

or “optimized for amd”

or “optimized for intel”

or my persoal favorite

“optimized for dell”

whhhhaaat?

Those are all marketing bullshit. Just like far cry 3 amd said they are the leading force on perfomance yet nvidia was more powerfull.

What we know for certain is this intel cpus>amd cpus. No argument there.

What we also know is that drivers and directx are COMPLETLY IRELEVANT to the console hardware manufacturer.

Finally next gen games will be ported from pc to ps4, not from consoles to pc.

So tell me why do you think for some reason amd pc users will get better perfomance. If that was true, then there is no need to upgrade since current amd pcs are more powerfull.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

“Finally next gen games will be ported from pc to ps4, not from consoles to pc.”

Most games this generation were console ports, ported from consoles to PC. What makes you think it will be different this time around? Dream on, little boy.

“What we also know is that drivers and directx are COMPLETLY IRELEVANT to the console hardware manufacturer.”

Not just drivers, but better optimization for the specific architecture of AMD CPUs and GPUs.

dakan45

Gee i dont know dipshit, the fact that the consoles will use x86? The fact that ubisoft said that watchdogs was on pc and pc is the leading platform. The fact that the ONLY real reason x86 was used on ps4 is to make porting easier. The fact that cryengine 3 is next gen ready for years and games on ps4 wont look as crysis 3 looks on pc right now, the fact that you are a complete idiot who has no actual points to make.

The PS4 APU is basically an advanced AMD APU that will eventually be sold in PC’s… so WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Oh yeah, more run-on sentences, more bad grammar, more pointless irrelevant arguments (with zero supporting evidence)… You should win an award for how many stupid comments you can make in a single day.

dakan45

Advanced? sold on pcs? You might wanna google that becasue the cpu it uses is completly pile of shit.

Michelasso

How can you judge something you don’t know any shite about? The PS4 APU will be, after being stripped out of the custom patented Sony components (like the ones for LZMA compression/decompression) available in the market indeed.

But then again you’re stupid. Instead of praising healthy competition you fight it.

dakan45

“How can you judge something you don’t know any shite about?”

Good question? how does a macos fuck can dare judge an actual pc?

No wait we arleady established tha windows is shit because the retard who cant even play any games on his “pc” says so yet he cant provide alterantives.

dakan45

LOSE? They were asked first, they said they wont do it becasue it doesnt worth it. AMD which is basicly amd and ATI agreed to do it and there you got ps4 is weak becasue they couldnt do much with what was asked from them.

andrey

Most likely they couldn’t do it.
And it is worth it. All the future games will be mostly optimized for AMD hardware. AMD will gain a lot from this especially when games on tablets and smartphones and other mobile devices will become bigger.

dakan45

They could do it, thats why they say it is a low end pc. Because they could do it,but didnt worth it. Are you seriously trusting amd on this one? The company that bailed out ATI and bought them?

Then again you believe that “amd hardware” is somehow closer to pc than nvidia and intel is, so you must be a moron a nvidia gpu is far closer to pc than amd ps4 or table or smartphone crap just because it has AMD on them. Please you make a fool of yourself. Like that other moron who claimed that amd cars and cpus work better together and nvidia and intel work better together. Like they were somehow working together unified. But in reallity amd cpus and at gpus have nothing to do with each other design wise.

andrey

The PS4 will use an AMD x86 CPU and A GCN GPU so yes I am sure that pc gamers that use AMD hardware will benefit from the consoles. Plus most game developers will work with AMD to optimize their games. Tomb Rider is a clear example of AMD evolution in this field.

And as you call me a moron and display this superior attitude I recommend you read about HSA.

PS. I trust more AMD than Nvidia because AMD are more honest with their consumers.

dakan45

HOW? you didnt explain HOW X86 is pc architecture, GUESS WHAT? Nvidia and intel also use it. Pc gamers will benefit from x86 consoles PERIOD.

Not because one use amd crap on it.

The leading force in CPUS is intel, you cant compare a amd cpu with a intel cpu, intel is superior. I use amd cpu and i know what i am telling yuo.

You wont get any perfomance benefit just because you got ATI videocard.

Pcs API is diffirent than consoles you cant compare directx with whatever the fuck is going consoles so there is no hardware/driver arguments here, just row power of specs and ps4 is weak.

” most game developers will work with AMD to optimize their games.”

Why is that? nvidia is doing that for years.

What about tomb raider?

The one game that had issues on nvidia, It only hapened once. amd is full of that in the past, you cant even play saboteur properly on ati cards.

or you reffer to the garbage hair techonlogy that sucks up alot of perfomance just like physics.

So yeah i will cal you a moron becasue amd has done NOTHING so far to prove themselfs.

“AMD are more honest with their consumers.”

Nope, their cpus cant take much heat and require custom heatsinks. My 955 Was on max temp with their stock crap. What honestly you talk about? They claimed they got better perfomance on fc3 but proven wrong.

andrey

You wrote so much bull shit that is pointless for me to answer.

dakan45

that is what you result when you run out of arguments and admit bullshit.

Please tell me how does the diffirent API not metter when….or not, just dont keep living udner the RETARDED BRAINDED dellusion that becasue a chip has “amd” on it, it will mean that somehow amd users on pc will get a better deal when nvidia and intel are superior on raw power and how exactly will amd sticker on the chip will get past diffirent apis and immediatly give amd pc users better perfomance.

I would really like to hear that.

andrey

Id did not run out of arguments I only consider a pointless thing to answer to a bullshit trolling fanboy post. That is all. I consider is beneath me to contradict a bunch of bull shit.

dakan45

where are the arguments? Yup nowhere, you didnt even bother to answer to the other arguments becasue you got NO ARGUMENTS. just gtfo kid you lost.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Forget this dakan45 troll, it’s pointless and a waste of energy to argue with a little 13-year old kid over the internet.

dakan45

says the 12 year old troll.

dakan45

any arguments yet faggot?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

“Nope, their cpus cant take much heat and require custom heatsinks. My 955 Was on max temp with their stock crap. What honestly you talk about?”

Lol, stop arguing just because you’re probably too stupid to properly install the heatsink. You should have asked daddy how to install a CPU cooler or apply thermal compound.

My 965BE has worked perfectly for me for several years, and it overclocks nicely.

dakan45

“you are too stupid to properly install a heatsink”

OR you could have actually googled 955 heatsink sucks.

I highly doubt that the default heatsink of that cpu can “overclock” and handle it while the maximum temp is 62c. Also i apparently “suck” at installing coolers but i was able to install the far more complicated intel coolers.

So yeah shove that overclocks nicelly up your ass you fuckshit liar.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Wait, first you said you had a 955. Now you say you have an Intel CPU?

Who said I overclocked the 965 on the stock cooler? I overclocked using a new aftermarket one. However, the stock cooler was decently quiet, and kept my CPU cool (~40-45 celsius). You’re doing something wrong if you’re hitting max temps with the stock cooler and clock, end of story.

dakan45

No dipshit but you are way too stupid, i have installed both on diffirent pcs.

“Who said I overclocked the 965 on the stock cooler?”

Gee i dont know, when i told you that the maximum temp is 62c and the stock reaches it prettyfast so it is bad for overclocking. That was the idea, that when you said “overclocks fine” you suposelly used the stock cooler.

The stock cooler does go atleast at 58c at theavy load. that is why that everyone on forums bash the stock coolers of amd.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

andrey makes a great point. Because all consoles will feature AMD hardware, most console ports and games in the future will be heavily AMD-optimized, and not as Nvidia optimized. This is certainly good news for AMD on both the PC and console side.

dakan45

It make a shitty point.

amd console and tablet hardware is not the same as pc hardware. Not to mention diffirent API.

So you saying that becasue they got a AMD sticker on them, they somehow give the pc user better perfomance than nvidia and intel just because the consoles used hardware with amd stickers on them.

So yeah you are the one who

“who knows absolutely NOTHING about game development or programming”

Guess waht guys my AMD cpu will ran games on the future becasue it is superior tahn the ps4 crappy cpu and it will work better than a far superior intel cpu just because it as “amd” hardware.

clap clap clap, go jump off a bridge.

X86 benefits pc in general, You cant compare cell cpu with pc when it comes to graphics. Pcs are based on directx, you cant say that just becasue hardware has AMD on it it wil somehow give amd users on pc specific graphics features like it has a bigger impact that directx and drivers versions.

Seriously i am facepalming right now.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

“X86 benefits pc in general, You cant compare cell cpu with pc when it comes to graphics. Pcs are based on directx, you cant say that just
becasue hardware has AMD on it it wil somehow give amd users on pc
specific graphics features like it has a bigger impact that directx and
drivers versions.”

You’re contradicting yourself now, idiot. First, you say that Nvidia’s drivers and support is so much better than AMD, leading to better Nvidia performance in games at launch. Now you’re saying that all hardware is the same, and that AMD will not benefit at all from better optimization.

You are truly a fucking moron.

“Seriously i am facepalming right now.”

Like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone. You have the spelling and grammar skills of a little kid.

dakan45

When did i contradict myself you retarded fuck? Dont answer that, you are a retard that cant even get his point across nor understand what i am writing and understand whatever the fuck wants to udnerstand.

I never said nvidia is so much better than amd dipshit. I said they are better. SEE? You see things that are not there dipshit. Let me hit you to the back of the head. There, Is your brain screwed up straight now?

No dipshit i never said hardware is the same, what i said is the exact opposite but a inbreed like you doesnt seem to get it. A tablet amd and ps4 amd hardware piece of shit does not somehow benefit pc users.

If you compare cpus and videocards for pcs and compare console hardware you will see that no matter who made the hardware the pc hardware are more similar and are controlled by drivers. Basic knowledge. The intel and amd cpus and the ati and nvidia cards are more similar than console hardware, if you put a amd sticker in it, it doesnt give it any more of a similarity. Also you cant dodge directx and drivers.

So no just becasue ps4 has amd hardware shit in it, it doesnt mean that amd users will somehow get better perfomance. I did not get better perfomance on my amd cpu becasue i emulated wii games, intel cpus however who are stronger got better perfomance. Before you say “that is irrelevant and stupid” let me tell you that is not at all, sicne that is what you are sainy.

Wii=amd hardware
wii=no drivers or directx

So by picking a game and using far superior hardware on pc, it didnt run on pc well since the “amd hardware” that the wii runs is diffirent form amd hardware that the pc runs on. Also by picking it like that with no platform localization or porting, i just dodged the drivers. This is pretty much what you are saying. That diffirent amd hardware on consoles will somehow gurantee the diffirent amd hardware on pc better perfomance. When in reallity that hardawre is far more similar to intel and nvidia than it is to ps4…also drivers handle that. Had it not been for dirvers most new games wouldnt even work on your pc.

By all means cal typos as spellingt and grammar.. oh look i made another typo cam you spot it? Or you gonna call it spellign and grammar again like a grammar nazi fuck that you are?

steve smith

“amd console and tablet hardware is not the same as pc hardware. Not to mention diffirent API”

You know early PS4 dev kits were based on the Trinity A10 right?

Randall Ustianowski

I am sorry but a real gaming enthusiast knows that AMD graphics cards have been lagging behind Nvidia, while costing more. Look at any pc gaming benchmarks from Tom’s hardware. You will see that AMD is not winning anything. Let AMD have PS4 and the others, the steambox and Ouya’s relaease that are actually streaming friendly consoles will begin to dominate the market.

andrey

I think you need a new pair of grasses. “AMD is not winning anything”
Yeah right.

dakan45

Nope they dont win shit. just like the WII. PS4 will flop.

Jin

even if it will flop what about the Xbox how about Nintendo? Its a full win for AMD

dakan45

it is a win but not “full” win.

I am eager to see if the new xbox is superior or more shit.

Point is current pcs are superior, so the generation is as good as dead.

Michelasso

Will flop, ah? That’s why the preorders are already high.

dakan45

yup, that helped dead space 3 and crysis 3 so much….. NOT.

MS lost 2 billion from x360. Sony lost 4 billions from the ps3. So you got a expensive sysem with no piracy selling far less on games and hardware than the x360.

Sony has been doing shit choices for years.

NJNICK

This may not mean anything but: If you take a look at Playstation release dates, 1995, 2000, and 2006 there is a correlation between those dates and high points in AMD stock. As a matter of it appears that for most chipset manufacturers they all had relatively good years. 1995 is a little skewed, the high point for AMD actually came in 1997, but the other two years are dead on. I’m not sure if AMD had much to do with those releases, however, check their charts, they hit all time highs in 2000 and 2006. Ok, markets were up, so maybe this means nothing, or maybe it means 2013 is going to be an awesome year for investors and game players. Time will tell.

I know this is a bit off-topic but I’ve noticed that the processor diagram shows an HDMI *input*. Has anyone seen any other documentation to support this or speculate on it’s purpose? E.g. PVR style recording from your sat box? PS4-powered up-scaling from HD to UHD? PS4-powered on-the-fly conversion from 2D to 3D ?

Michelasso

How to say: we lost a deal of hundreds of millions of dollars to AMD because we couldn’t face the competitive price and we are still right. Yeah, dream on. Not to mention that on Macs the GPU with the worse drivers are always the NVIDIA ones.

dakan45

omg are you stupid? They didnt “lost” anything. The deal didnt worth it. Amd accepted it and there you go, ps4 is a weak console.

“on macs”

FUCK MACS, macs are not gaming pcs. You cant play crap on macs. Nvidia has the best drivers on windows and that is what matters

andrey

“The deal didnt worth it”

Year right.

When most PC game will be optimized for AMD, Invidia will still claim that shit.

dakan45

What? WHAT? WHAT?

Nvidia is the one who has the best drivers always in history. How in word will it be more optimized for “Ati” Or you think that the ps4 is so similar to amd products that it willl run better on amd pcs? That is trully idiotic, nvidia is far closer to pc optimization than amd.

disqus_LnZ8w1lW1X

best drivers in the world?? are you high or something? what about the drivers that Nvidia release that causes the video card over heat? best drivers right.

dakan45

That happened once. ONCE it is not like amd has never fucked up, EVER.

But hey lets only pick up nvidia when they make a mistake and completly forget how SHHIIIIIT ati was that they were going to close down and amd bought them.

Michelasso

Amazing. The PC trolls have flame wars even about the GPUs!! rotfl!!

dakan45

atleast you admit you are not a pc gamer but a macos faggot. Yeah buy iphone overexpensive crap and consoles since you are too stupid to build a pc.

Michelasso

You’re wrong. I leave the over expensive mobile phones like the S3 and iPhone to trolls like you. But I am a Unix sysadmin, so yes, my OS of choice for office computing is OS X. Not that Windows shite. I do things in a third of the time with it.

dakan45

” a Unix sysadmin”

AAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH

OHOHOOHOHOHHO

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

AHAHOAHOAHAOHAOHAOAHO

Come back when you see some actual graphics on your “pc” and i am propably gonna be laughed for even calling it a “pc” but anyway, you dont know what a pc is so gtfo.

andrey

Whre have you been fot the last 2 years?? Nvidia drivers are shit in this moment. I have an nvidia gpu and most new drivers only made me problems.

“nvidia is far closer to pc optimization than amd” Now that is truly idiotic my dear sir.

And you did not understand what I war referring to. I’m not surprised.

dakan45

” Nvidia drivers are shit in this moment”

I trully wonder where the fuck have YOU been for the last 2 years, because they are fucking fine.

You are idiotic nvidia is on top of amd, that is a fucking fact dipshit.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

dakan45, do you just like to argue or something? I’ve used both AMD and Nvidia GPUs in the past 2 years, and they are both equally as good in performance and driver support from my experience. I’ve had no driver issues with my HD7970, and it runs most games I throw at it smoothly.

Stop arguing, because you’re sounding like a desperate fanboy who has had too much sugar.

dakan45

AND?

AND?

AND?

Where is your big awesome point? I would realyl like to know how you comapred them. Because all benchmarks will tell you nvidia is better with better launch support.

So yeah, tell me where is this big fucking point you are making in comparison with what i said above which has NO relation whatsoever.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

*Sigh.* You’re the one who said Nvidia is so much better than AMD in drivers and performance. So we’re telling you that you’re full of shit. What are you confused about?

Take some Ritalin, you sound like a 10 year old who is high on sugar. How old are you, seriously?

dakan45

No i said nvidia is better not that amd sucks, amd as a company sucks and their cpus are inferior to intel by far.

Yes nvidia has better perfomance for centures so yeah YOU are full of shit.

Take some ritalin and shove it up your ass you fucking dipshit, i got tired of your trolling bullshit kiddo.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

FACT: AMD and Nvidia GPU’s are about equal in performance, with AMD pulling ahead in some recent games. Thus, you can keep screaming “Nvidia is moar better than AMD!!!!11? all you want, but in the end, they’re about the same, and your argument is pointless.

Forget about Intel. Intel are no friends with Nvidia. The bottom line is, how do Nvidia CPU’s compare to AMD? Poorly.. That’s the main reason Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo ALL went with AMD this generation. Nvidia didn’t have the CPU technology to compete dollar-for-dollar. Every dollar counts.

dakan45

Nope nvidia is slightly ahead.

FACT

see i put a FACT taht makes it fact.

“how do Nvidia CPU’s compare to AMD?”
So now nvidia made up cpus? Let me facepalm.

AMD? You mean ATI right? amd has cpus ati makes the gpus.

You really dont know what you are talkin about.

Take some ritalin.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Weak console? Have you seen Killzone: Shadowfall and Second Son? Those are real-time graphics, and they look amazing. I don’t know how you define “weak.” Keep up that wishful thinking, biased fanboy.

“They didnt “lost” anything. The deal didnt worth it.”

Nvidia doesn’t have the technology to do it even if they wanted to. AMD’s APU’s are far more advanced than any SoC’s Nvidia had in development, and that’s why Microsoft and Sony went with AMD. Nvidia just didn’t have the technology to compete.

dakan45

Killzone shadowfall is nothing that cannot be done on pc now and years ago. Infact crysis 3 and battlefield 3 look far better.

I did not see shit in second son. NOTHING at all.

Also that watchdogs demo on the ps4 reveal? That was on pc as revealed by ubisoft and the leading platform is the pc version.

Pwneed

“AMD’s APU’s are far more advanced than any SoC’s Nvidia had in development”

I facepalmed. I wont bother with you anymore

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

“Killzone shadowfall is nothing that cannot be done on pc now and years ago. Infact crysis 3 and battlefield 3 look far better.”

Nope, I disagree. You must be blind. Killzone: Shadowfall and Second Son both look fantastic. Second Son made everyone think it was prerendered CG. I’ve played Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 on max settings, and the PS4 games still look amazing–I won’t definitively say they look better, because comparing graphics is like comparing apples and oranges in some cases… it’s subjective. But the shader complexity, lighting effects, post-processing effects, polygon detail, texture detail… they’re all top-notch on PS4 games. Did I mentioned that they’re only in ALPHA STAGE and will only look BETTER upon final release?

“Also that watchdogs demo on the ps4 reveal? That was on pc as revealed by ubisoft and the leading platform is the pc version.”

That Watchdogs demo was meh. The graphics were good, but not amazing. The lighting looked a little washed-out. Second Son and Killzone: Shadowfall looked FAR better.

“I facepalmed. I wont bother with you anymore.”

Name one Nvidia CPU-GPU that outperforms the best AMD APU’s. You can facepalm all you want like a petulant little child, it doesn’t make you sound any smarter.

dakan45

Ok how they look “fantastic” explain that. Shadowfall does not have nor as good texture or lighting quality as BF3 and crysis 3. Also blurring the city to hide detail. Not to mention how that dopship litteraly texture popped when the player got close. I havent seen anything about second son to impress me.

Far cry 3 on max settings look great but

1. It is open world game

2.Doesnt look as good as crysis 3 or bf3.
3.If you look at the e3 demo you will see the bases were actually bigger but thanks to consoles they had to make em smaller.

For an open world gta clone the watchdogs graphics had by far the best lighting i have ever seen.

So you want me to make up a nvidia platform that somewhow outperfoms ps4 while amd is basicly amd cpu and ati videocards and in both cases nvidia and intel are better.

Let me facepalm again.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

Umm… they look fantastic because they look fantastic? Why do I have to explain myself to you? Everyone who saw the Killzone and Second Son demos thought they looked awesome. Only biased fanboys like you want to pretend the graphics were bad. Most people agree that they looked amazing.

Not as good texture or lighting quality as BF3 or Crysis 3? That is ignorant. Explain how they were not as good? The shadows, HDR lighting, post-processing effects were all excellent to my eyes. Not to mention the huge draw distance and huge, detailed city. The draw distance in the Killzone demo was bigger than anything I saw in Crysis 3. Worse textures? Another stupid argument, since the PS4 has 8GB of total video memory, and is capable of far more detailed, high-res textures than Crysis 3 (Crysis 3 only uses 1.5-2GB of video memory on the highest settings). Btw, Killzone: Shadowfall was only in alpha stage, only using about 2GB of video memory on early PS4 devkits, and will look MUCH better upon final release.

Battlefield 3 looks good, but it’s old, and doesn’t have the advanced shaders to compete with newer games, sorry. Stop pretending like Battlefield 3 is still some amazing benchmark for state-of-the-art graphics, because it’s not anymore. Battlefield 3 only uses 1GB of video memory, so it can’t compare to new games or next-gen games.

“Also blurring the city to hide detail.”

Wow, you are stupid. That’s called Depth of Field, and even Crysis 3 uses that graphical effect. It’s not “blurring the city to hide detail.”

“So you want me to make up a nvidia platform that somewhow outperfoms ps4 while amd is basicly amd cpu and ati videocards and in both cases nvidia and intel are better.”

I’m not comparing Nvidia and AMD, you idiot. They’re both about equal in GPU performance. CPU performance doesn’t matter that much in graphics rendering, everyone knows that.

dakan45

Ok then games on pc look far more “fantastic”

“Everyone who saw the Killzone and Second Son demos thought they looked awesome”

Same morons who thought that uncharted 2 is graphics king and that god of war 3 was a impressive game and graphics king.

Both those games are highly unimpressive by pc standards.

“Only biased fanboys like you want to pretend the graphics were bad. Most people agree that they looked amazing.”

and biased ps fanboys dont overhype anything at all? Right. Never said that those graphics were “bad” once again you miss read and thas why i cant take your bullshit. I just said pc can do better graphics years now.

crysis 3 and battlefield 3 have superior everything. Not the only one who thinks it, many others do.

“Not to mention the huge draw distance and huge, detailed city.”

Yeah this is the bullshit i am talking about, you think you know “shit” but you dont know shit at all.

Draw distance? ON what? rememebr that helicopter that litterly poped in when the character got close. Nice draw distance.

“Detailed city”

oh you mean a backdrop that was blurred with the same techinique many games use today especially killzone 2 to hide the lack of quality. Or how the camera was too close to the chopper when the character was hanging from it, so you wont be able to look around to this backdrop you reffer as “city”

You dont know shit about gamedevelopment.

You argue that ps4 can have more memory, when the 8 MOTHERFUCKING PRECIOUS GB OF GDDR5 that you morons are praising so much are not used JUST for textures but along with other functions and for the cpu.

So no they wont be used for “better textures” They will be used for alot of things. PS3 streamed and had to constantly close up levels and make them smaller. The only reason ps4 has so much ram is for bigger enviroments. The memory was limiting the developers and the architecture with all the streaming.

So in conclusion, no crysis 3 and bf3 look far better and most of that ram will go to various things. Killzone downfall is builded with streaming, thats why it doesnt utilize alot of ram. I remember how killzone 2 demo was faked, so excuse me for not putting much faith into them. As i said far cry 3 E3 demo had bigger maps. BRINK looked so muhc better as well, so till the game actually comes out or ps4 brings up something that uses all that ram. I wont even bother any further. Just remember how the hype bullshit kept going on on how the ps3 has more cores than the x360 and is more powerfull and how you need a 4000 pc to match it and how ps3 has not been completly maxed out and blah blah blah.

Battlefield shaders are bad. The lighting and textures arent. Funny that ps4 has new shaders.

“Wow, you are stupid. That’s called Depth of Field,”

Oh look the little cunt knows what its called, here i was trying to explain to an idiot. Point is all games use it and crysis 3 has a tremendous amount of effects on screen, dont compare it with your shitty console games. PS4 wont reach crysis 3 in the first 3 years…atleast.

Ofcourse it is not like most games nowdays utilize quad cores and crysis 3 utilizes 8 cores.You are completly right about this one. IDIOT.

Aghh, see what i am talking about? you dont know shit.

Michelasso

Fan-troll much? The PS4 GPU only has a raw power of 1.84TFlops. Which is more than enough. Then the PS4 OS will use OpenGL, the same used in OS X. Thus the drivers for Mac DO Matter. And Windows sucks. In all possible ways.

Then why are you correcting my grammar? As far as I see it’s much better than yours, still being English my second language!!

dakan45

So now we go by teraflops? Ok then but by teraflops many cards exist that are superior. Same point really.
I doubt that ps4 will use opengl becasue it is horrible.

Wtf do drivers for mac matter? Wait you said windows suck and have related avatar.

Therefore you are the one who “trolls much” Go back to your shitty macos, MAC IS NOT A PC NOT A GAMING SOLUTION.

Michelasso

Jesus Christ, why do you speak for nothing? Only a moron would say that OpenGL is horrible. Ask the developers, like Valve:

The same games written in OpenGL are FASTER than in Direct3D even in WIndows!!

And that doesn’t matter much anyway, since consoles at the end get programmed to the metal. Game developers know how to squeeze all juice out of them.

Regarding OS X, I sure don’t waste money on that Windows piece of crap with its *costly* BSODs! I need my computer for business purpose, not for gaming, it must be reliable. For gaming I buy consoles. that’s what they are made for.

dakan45

“Only a moron would say that OpenGL is horrible.”

Actually every developer including carmack has said directx is better.

Valve is the only who just recently thinks otherwise. Too bad opengl doesnt have dx11 rendeing techinques. I wont argue about dx10, it was shit, but dx9 is still better than open gl. Valve is comparing dx10 and dx11.

but you wouldnt know anything about that you macos fuck. Come back when you play on a PC not a mac. A pc with actual superior graphics and not shitty consoles comeback again.

Michelasso

First Carmack is an idiot. Just because he made Doom doesn’t make him an expert in everything. Second OpenGL is used the most in the professional applications. You know, like the ones that make the CGI movies we all love so much. And that kicks videogames in the balls. Third, the PS3 already with its magnificent exclusive games uses OpenGL.

Direct3D is used the most in videogames only because it is part of Windows and of the X360 OS. But since we already agreed that Windows is crap, so it is Direct3D. Still, you are trolling nonetheless, so I wonder why I waste my time answering to you.

dakan45

Ok now carmack is an idiot.

Sure thing bro, so what if opengl is used on proffesional applications? Games use directx and….

“ut since we already agreed that Windows is crap,”

No we didnt macos and consoles are crap.

You want to play REAL games, play on pc.

Also you might wanna change page and see the architecture that clearly states that it is using DIrect3D 11 on the gpu component.

Who is the little idiot,YOU thats who.

Michelasso

I want to play real games like GTA V and RDR you cretin. Sorry, can’t play them on WinPOS PCs. See? You waste a fortune in a piece of crap that doesn’t even have the BEST games. End of discussion, moron.

dakan45

GTA iv sucked, it was borring and perfomed and controled like shit. so gta v can suck my balls. Ill just play saints rowthat is a fun game.

Everyone asked for RDR and rockstar gave la noire instead. Retarded much? After the fuck up with gta iv, rockstar will not release gta v for current systems. They will release it along the ps4 and next xbox versions, it is gonna be next gen. It is not like gta iv did not came to pc while it was initially only for consoles. Red dead revoluton along with bully 2 are in development i bet we will see a pc version.

Waste a fortune? A decent pc can be put together for 500-600 bucks. That is hardly a fortune for a superior rig than the piece of low end crap the ps4 is.

Also no one pays millions and self publishes pc exclusives because pc is not owned by ANYONE, that as a free platform gives the ability to get all kinds of unique pc games that would never be possible on consoles.

like minecraft or arma 3, or mmos or total war or slender and other survival horror games which seems to be a genre that died on consoles because assholes wanted to turn every game for a shooter so they get more sales. Pc is open platform, mere modders and gamesr alike can mkae free games on UDK and buy a licence and sell them. But you wouldnt know anyting about that macos fuck.

Michelasso

Yeah, sure. that’s why there are so many PC kids crying to R* to have GTA V ported to PC.

And don’t bull me: there is no f*cking way you can build a PC with $500!! Apparently you guys always forget about the cost of Windows, of the mouse and keyboard. Talking about decent quality, obviously. Also i would add a Xbox controller, since it is the standard for PC gaming.

Regarding exclusives the best hits (literally. One must bang the servers to make them working!) you guys have had in a long time have been Diablo 3 and Simcity. Apart from that.. the desert.

You comparing requests of a few people that made a petition to the massive stupidity of 10s of millions of console tards? Above all YOUR stupidity for not even using a windows platofrm and DARE TO MAKE FUCKING CLAIMS?

Actually if you build a 500 pc, it is techically more powerfull than the ps4.

But since you have to put a mosue a keyboard and a xbox controlelr i am gonna have to calle you a fucktard.

Who didnt bash diablo 3 and sim city? WHO? We are practicly the only gamers that defend our right as customers and not bend over and take it and ask for more like the consoletards.

In the 20 years i game on pc i got BSOD 3 times. Once because the cpu was broken, the other because the ram was faulty and the last time because of driver issues.

If you still struggle with BSOD you are either

1.Retard.
2.clueless
3.New to pc gaming.
4.Trolling.

Sersiouly go crawl back into the whole that you came from, you got no pcs there just tablet crap i bet.

Jesse

Who cares about gpu cpu icup or what not. As long as I can play 64 player battles in bf4 on ps4 is all that matters. Make games fun again.

Axe99

Revenue isn’t the same as profit – which means some of the basic contentions in this article are based on a misunderstanding of financial statements. Given the rest of the discussion is based off this misunderstanding, I’d recommend going back to the financial statements, getting on top of them, and having another go.

http://twitter.com/ephoenix6 ephoenix6

amd is a bigger company, so they probably offered sony more in a deal for a long term return

dakan45

lol no, amd was ATI they werent doing well so they were bought by amd. Nvidia and intel are far bigger.

andrey

Intel is bigger but Nvidia overall is a smaller company that AMD.
In the near future AMD’s and Intel’s igpus will fuck up real good nvidia’s gpu market shares.

dakan45

Like they supossed to be doing for many yeas now. Just give up already.

andrey

Well nvidia’s expensive mobile dedicated gpu’s will have to face rough times in the near future.
Intel and AMD’s next gen SoC will be be more competitive graphics wise. Nvidia will lose a big portion of their mobile gpu market. That is a fact.

dakan45

“expensive mobile dedicated gpu’s”
You reffer to?

You better not reffer to fucking laptops.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002596899064 Eion Key

sounds weird, lol, i think i can like this if that make sense,” i did not become the king of all human is because i am too good for them.”

OMGitsSexyChase

This article is propaganda, one take everything Nvidia says with a grain of salt, the only reason they are doing all things trash talking is because they didnt get the contract, they didnt get the contract because they are generally more pricey, they propably wanted to put a titan and have the ps4 cost 1500 dollars, amd has always sold decent gpus for dirt cheap, the 7850 is not a beast but it is a really great GPU especially for a console, the rsx in the ps3 had a modified 7900gt but a little weaker, and no unified architecture what is garbage and a pain in the ass to program and manage memory

Im not sold on the CPU in the console, but we will see.

dakan45

ACTUALLY, they didnt get the contract becasue it didnt worth it. Seeing how unimpressive the ps4 is, it is pretty much WII by amd all over again.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

The specs are FAR superior to the Wii U. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

dakan45

see, this kinda bullshit is what i am talkign about. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE WII U nor being the same. I was just pointing out that amd failed consoles with WII, so now they got more budget propably but they will still fail.

I am litteraly done with you. I cant be bothered with your bullshit anymore.

Michelasso

Just 8GB of GDDR5 RAM sound impressive to me. What are you arguing if you know f. nothing about the PS4?

dakan45

That is it though 8gb that are unified with the cpu, gpu and ram. So no it is not impressive, 8gb of ram on pc and 2 gb on videocard. TA DA pc pwns this shit.

Also the processing power of the ps4 cpu is shit.

Michelasso

I told you that you are clueless. It is 8GB of unified VIDEO GDDR5 RAM!! There is not a single system with so much GDDR5 RAM, which is quite expensive. You have no idea what we are talking about. You’re just trolling

dakan45

see thats why you are an idiot.

The only reason it uses GDDR5 is to unify it with cpu and gpu and system memory. The high speed allows for fast re allocation. If you keep in mind that that is all the ram it has an it is allocated everywhere, it is really not that much. Pcs have 8 or 16gb of ddr3 which is actually faster than gddr5. The only reason GDDR5 is there is to be used by gpu. Thats the only reason. The actual amount of memory that will be left during cpu cycles and re allocatiin will be far far less.

Tell me again who has no idea what he is talking about and just trolling. Yup the macos fuck,.

Also the cpu is really weak. The so called praised ps3 cpu was highly used. All that memory is going to waste without a good cpu. It is trully an overkill.

Michelasso

DDR3 is WHAT?? DD3 has a lower latency than GDDR5. Making it better for general purpose uses. But GDDR5 has 3 times the bandwidth! Which is what you need when you use high res textures! I told you, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A demo made for the PS4 used the GPU only. The CPU is there because it is obviously needed for general computation. But most of the work in a game is done by the GPUs, so the eventual slight drop in performances caused by the GDDR5 will be irrelevant. A PS4 doesn’t need to run an Excel spreadshite, you dumbster. And 8 cores are far more han what a game like BF3 at full settings was using. You know f. nothing about IT, I don’t even know why you joined this discussion. Well, apart from the reason that you’re trolling, sure. What a pathetic life. Go back to your bridge, son of a troll.

dakan45

Look it up if you dont believe me. DDR 3 is faster, but all these are beside the point since GDDR5 is used to unify all of them rather to give some supernaturla speed in perfomance boost. The system will reallocate memory to cpu, gpu and ram. The gpu 600 MHZ are pretty low too.

” A demo made for the PS4 used the GPU only.”

Nope not possible, the cpu has to be used even at the slightest.

If you really think memory matters more than gpu clock speed, then you should just quit arguing. Its like saynig a 8600GT 1024mb is better than a 9800GTX+ 512mb.

“And 8 cores are far more han what a game like BF3 at full settings was using.”

LOL first of all you might wanna take a look at the speed those cores are running on, id call them “celeron” but 1.6ghz is too fucking low. The cpu is greatly underpowered..

Feel free to jump off that bridge you pointed me since you are completly clueless.

Michelasso

You cretin, I told you already that DDR3 memory has a lower latency. Which yes, it means it is faster on random access. But that doesn’t matter much because most of the job is done on the 3 level CPU caches. Instead one can’t cache the video data, simply because it is HUGE.

You can go on as much as you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that the PS4 is system will be the largest amount of expensive GDDR5 memory in the market. The crap you’re talking about applies more to the next box, which should have 8GB of DDR3 RAM with a small buffer of fast eDRAM that will allow a bandwidth similar to the one of PS4 but in small chunks. making this time the next box the console harder to program (and slower nonetheless).

As for the “Celeron” analogy you are so ignorant to consider the frequency as the main factor. News break: performances do NOT raise linearly raising the CPU clock! DUH?! Not to mention that more advanced CPU technology can achieve more power at a lower clock. As the AMD Jaguar architecture does indeed.

In any case it is not important what the last of the trolls like you says in internet. Digital Foundry itself call the PS4 architecture “impressive”. Enough for you to shut the f*ck up!

dakan45

Latency is irrelevant you dipshit. Speed maters. Also ps4 is unified which means it goes EVERYWHERE and not purelly on ram or texure loading let alone clock speed. The opposite of what you things.

“he PS4 is system will be the largest amount of expensive GDDR5 memory in the market.”

And a shity cpu and a shitty videocard. Also 2-3gb video ram and 8-16gb of ram, there you go ps4 doesnt have SHIT.

Did you just seriously defend jaguar? Go back to your macos kiddo.

FX is far superior than than jaguar infact even phenom is ,but fuck amd, intel is pwned the shit out of jaguar.

Serously just go die off a bridge and do everyone a favor.

Michelasso

I told you that you are clueless. It is 8GB of unified VIDEO GDDR5 RAM!! There is not a single system with so much GDDR5 RAM, which is quite expensive. You have no idea what we are talking about. You’re just trolling

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000553061212 Adam Xen

I don’t get the point of this article.

Even if the profit margins of console hardware are small, small profits are better than no profit at all. AMD seems to have all the bases covered by manufacturing chips for all three major console companies. At least one of those companies will sell a crap-load of consoles.

“…if Project Shield actually takes off…”

It won’t.

mike

If amd APU= less heat, good performance, low watts, more customizable, more adaptive, easier to program at low low metal level, less expensive, WHY would Sony choose nvidia?

Unlike amd, nvidia has no cash problems, and can afford to ask much more for a product, without caring about not getting this or that business.AMD, they need cash, and prefer making a little less money, instead of no money at all.

Every empire has, one day, collapsed. Even the biggest one fall, one day. Amd work hard to bring new stuff to the table, OK, on the CPU side, they still need some good optimizations, since they eat up more watts and produce more heat. But at least, they strive to ,we can say, live, or survive, and making this deal with Sony and Microsoft can only be a good thing. Who knows if this could bring a new market, with fast Apus for the desktop computers. For the next 10 years, people will talk about the ps4 and x720, and the name AMD will be present. Maybe one day we will see many amd solutions, for everybody, and nvidia will only have the 700-1000$ market, which isn’t for everyone’s wallet.

With the next consoles, amd will have 10 years of great and free advertising. it can only be good for them.

‘Wow, those graphics on that ps4/x720 game are incredible.what graphic card is it? Its an AMD’
‘Wow, cool, I will buy an amd apu/graphic card next month, I want those graphics on my computer’

Nvidia has been bashing Sony like no other. Every time they talk, ps4 specs are low, ps4 this, ps4 that. Too many people and to many talk about amd isn’t good for them. They may have billions now, but things can change really fast, in this world.

John

Greedy bastards – its their loss. I prefer AMD anyways :)

http://twitter.com/FrankBetaDT Frank Beta

Ha ha ha ha. Nobody is accepting the obvius.

http://twitter.com/burritobrownie Matthew Brown

It all comes down to price/performance ratio. They stated they would not do it for the price Sony wanted , I believe simply because they can’t. They may have the stuff to do it , but AMD already has chips that can be tweaked to fit the demands of a console and they have been on the market for over 2 years. With 70 million ps3’s sold world wide with a 10% failure rate in the first 2 years , I would look for better longevity also.

zainfazal3000

The Wii U is going through something very similar with EA

EA wanted full control over Nintendo’s online network and Nintendo told them to go shove it. Now EA is not only giving sub par 3rd party support to the Wii U they are trashing it saying it’s not “next gen”

NVIDIA wanted more money from Sony and Sony basically said screw you we’ll go with AMD.Which is of course NVIDIA’s competitior of NVIDIA is gonna trash the PS4 now and say it’s low end.

Both companies are butthurt and what they say about the Wii U and PS4 should be taken with a grain of salt.

kalpit18

Nvidia also stated that the ps4 will be shit conpared to the next generation pc’s that will launch later this year!

gr689

That’s never been the argument….your clearly uneducated on how the market for pc’s and consoles work and the fact that pc’s have always had better graphics than any of the consoles. The thing is that people enjoy playing on their consoles….they don’t want to hook a pc up to their tv’s just yet. Plus a pc that runs better graphics than a console will cost a lot more money. People want plug and play buddy…
Oh did I mention GAMES GAMES GAMES?? Most of the best games are proprietary on Playstation or Xbox.

but your right….sales are gonna slump on the next gen consoles and everyone is going to run and get a PC for gaming by Christmas!! LOL…we’ll see bud…lol

gr689

To put it bluntly, PS4 and Next Xbox sales are going to be GREAT!! I just don’t understand all these analysts who think they understand how we as gamers buy our video game consoles…they understand economics but not in this industry….time and time again they are wrong. Why? They just don’t get it…I’m going to laugh when come this Christmas sales for Xbox and PS4 are going to be through the roof!!
WiiU I’m still very unsure about. I love Nintendo but its tough to say whether they will bounce back. Their console just isn’t next gen quality, it’s more like current generation gaming…this is where they made their big mistake. They thought that the people who bought the Wii were going to buy the WiiU because of all the innovation of HD…but the gimmick with the motion controllers has worn off and they are way too late on the band wagon in terms of HD.

I really hope they do well because I love Zelda and I still want to play the new Mario Bros. game. It’s all about their IP’s and whether or not they are still going to sell. I think they will if they market right. Also they are making a profit off their system once someone buys just one game. That’s a major plus for them but my hunch is they will do ok, nothing like the original Wii though.

Dakan45

The problem is that you are a bunch of retards that dont care about how GOOD the console is only if its called ps4 or xbox and you just pay for games.

Agree.. I brought a 770oc 4gb… a friend has 7970… guess who wins with same settings? the 7970.. we both have a same cpu.. i have more RAM and my cpu is overclocked, his isn’t.. fuck nvidia!

γιαννης

how stupid nvidia would feel right now..

lost by they own ignorance by amd almost in all cases
lost by far in mobile by quallcomm(2 weeks ago they lost a big deal about the chip)
ms will lose from mantle big time
valve gave everyone (exept nvidia and amd)a big middle finger by going natively to linux
intel by backing up nvidia and ms well how they gonna feel when devs will have to support amd cpu and gpu more than theirs?

oh well after 10 years amd had a plan right..
dominate the world in under 6 months
(pinky and the brain..)

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