Somebody in the previous thread was talking about Mclaren doing Q3 on hards.

Quite frankly.. it won't work. The hards will need even more laps to heat up than the softs. By the time they are up to temperature they will be slower by at least 3 tenths in Mclaren's case, and they will have laps taken out of them. When the race begins the same problem is going to come up. So, you will be some odd places down the grid and will have to start on tyres with many laps taken out of them, and they will be out of the temp range in the early laps.. Not workable on a smooth track like this.

Somebody in the previous thread was talking about Mclaren doing Q3 on hards.

Quite frankly.. it won't work. The hards will need even more laps to heat up than the softs. By the time they are up to temperature they will be slower by at least 3 tenths in Mclaren's case, and they will have laps taken out of them. When the race begins the same problem is going to come up. So, you will be some odd places down the grid and will have to start on tyres with many laps taken out of them, and they will be out of the temp range in the early laps.. Not workable on a smooth track like this.

So are you saying that puting the Primes (Mediums, not Hards) on lap 20 for example will be better, than starting on them?! I don`t agree, cause maybe you forget that when the race starts the track temp will be maybe 8 - 10 degrees higher than when the times for the tire change will come. So heating up the Primes should be harder latter in the race than strating on them and the overall pace over the race distance should be better when starting on Primes. McLaren showed heating problems with both compounds with the time difference between both compounds much lesser compaired to the rest. So using harder tire on hotter track will be better in my oppinion, and you shouldn`t forget the other benefits alternative strategie brings such as:- laps in clean air at the end of the first (and maybe only) stint with tires at it`s best - better heating for the second stint when you are on Options and the rest on Primes- better grip latter in the race when the others are on Primes and the temps fell off even more

But it`s all relative, and as I sad at the end we are talking McLaren here and they don`t do alternatives they do what computers say... sadly.

edit for PS: The front wing still goes backwards at high speed judging by this pic so it`s not the new measuring that make McLaren relatively slower at the last couple of races. http://f1zoom.fx1.nl...a...1162&full=1

Why the heck, McLaren have SAME PACE on both tyres? is there any point of them running on soft during qualifications? Cause as far as I can see nobody gonna be faster than McLaren even in such situation

Why the heck, McLaren have SAME PACE on both tyres? is there any point of them running on soft during qualifications? Cause as far as I can see nobody gonna be faster than McLaren even in such situation

Nobody really improved considerably on the option tyres.Will be interesting to see what tyres people choose to qualify on if the changing track temps dont sort out the options

Nobody really improved considerably on the option tyres.Will be interesting to see what tyres people choose to qualify on if the changing track temps dont sort out the options

I disagree, Lotuses improved 1sec compared to Hard tyres. Also Webber improved by about 0.8, also Alonso (around 0.5), Hulkenberg (1sec).+ Hamilton were setting his best times on hard tyres in like 8 lap stint.

Good job today. A shame we didn't manage to get into this form in the earlier races, now I'm afraid is too late. Just like to know that Lewis clearly makes the difference in the MP4-27, he did it all year, and the current place he is in the WDC isn't just to the job he has done all year. Very sad to see him leaving, when he is one clear step ahead of Button, and if it wasn't for him, I guess people wouldn't be saying that he had the faster car all year, because he didn't, he was the faster driver for most of the year,and the development and the operational side of the team was a disappointment to say the least. A clear wasted opportunity this year. I fear for next year, but I will always be pushing for this team.

Button very downbeat (unsurprisingly) after qualification. With the dipping temperatures when the sun went down I wonder if the tyres played a part again in a loss of performance? Potentially the car is still on the edge with tyre management and Hamiltons more aggressive style is getting them into the window. Hopefully next years tyres will live up to their rumours and have a much larger temperature window.

Since China Button only had a real good weekend, Spa, look at Button's championship and think how fast you would consider the McLaren to be from China onward if you exclude Lewis' results.

You cant just exclude Lewis' results. I judge the car based on how they do relative to each other. I think apart from the past couple races, Mclaren has been the quickest this season still. Not saying Lewis doesn't make a difference, he does, but other drivers in other cars make a difference, too.

You cant just exclude Lewis' results. I judge the car based on how they do relative to each other. I think apart from the past couple races, Mclaren has been the quickest this season still. Not saying Lewis doesn't make a difference, he does, but other drivers in other cars make a difference, too.

Yes of course other drivers make the difference, but in that case the Ferrari should be considered the faster car during the middle of the season, based on Alonso's performances.

On a circuit where you can gain a lot of time late breaking and taking unusual quali lines Hamilton can really nail it on a quali lap, whereas Button doesn't seem to be able to drive different enough from his race style (adapt) to really get a 1 lap time - but in the race where you drive more conventionally, Button will be right there.

I thought we were talking about the season as a whole, but if you want to cherry pick little parts of the season to keep believing what you want to believe, go ahead.

We are, just trying to say that the McLaren wasn't clearly the faster car as some suggest, and I'm comparing the performances from Button and Hamilton and saying that people say that based on Hamilton's performances alone.

Button's smoothness killed him in S3 today. Agressive drivers who like throwing the car made the difference today. Lewis, Alonso, Maldonado, Kimi and Perez (especially Lewis, Maldonado and Perez) were much better than their team mates in S3 today. Especially the biggest difference was between Lewis and Button. I think Lewis is 0.4 tenths of a second faster than Button in pure speed. However in tracks like Hungary, Canada, Singapore, Abu Dhabi which are suited to Lewis's style he brings extra 2-3 tenths from nowhere. For next year, we have to hope perez shows some good speed in qualifying

Hind sight Wishmart needs the boot , since he became team boss countless times posters in this thread have cried for Ron to come back , I mean there has to be some thing about why Wishmart attracts dislike from so many team followers..

Somehow I feel that if the team compromise for Button, Lewis will suffer but he is still comparable to Button's pace but if the team compromise for Lewis, Button will look so bad since Lewis will be much faster.