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Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt.
Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.William2701

William2701 wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'

[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.[/p][/quote]And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'William2701

William2701 wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'

Well they are sort of right as st peters way will be closed...people forget theres a speed limit of 50 on that road..ive seen cars haring down it and just breaking hard where speed cameras are..

[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.[/p][/quote]And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'[/p][/quote]Well they are sort of right as st peters way will be closed...people forget theres a speed limit of 50 on that road..ive seen cars haring down it and just breaking hard where speed cameras are..mililly

Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

Does it really matter where it starts? Everyone knows what they mean!!

[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt.
Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.[/p][/quote]Does it really matter where it starts? Everyone knows what they mean!!Hough64

Such a terrible tragedy and waste of a young life my condolences to his family and friends and prayers that the young lady makes a full recovery.
Also thoughts to all our emergency services who had to attend this horrific scene I know it's not easy to do its just a good job we have people like them that when we need them they are there without question.
I know I couldn't do it.

Such a terrible tragedy and waste of a young life my condolences to his family and friends and prayers that the young lady makes a full recovery.
Also thoughts to all our emergency services who had to attend this horrific scene I know it's not easy to do its just a good job we have people like them that when we need them they are there without question.
I know I couldn't do it.Lisacoote

William2701 wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'

Well they are sort of right as st peters way will be closed...people forget theres a speed limit of 50 on that road..ive seen cars haring down it and just breaking hard where speed cameras are..

Braking hard...

They brake hard because the speed cameras are there, if they removed the cameras the road would be safer. I used the road leading from the M60 to Bolton town centre over many years, sometimes travelling quite fast and yet I did not come close to having an accident.
At what speed you must travel to lose control to the point where you turn the car over on St Peter's Way must be 100 Mph plus...or just poor control or lack of concentration

[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.[/p][/quote]And before later comments question my initial posting the original headline to the story was 'St Peter's Way closed after horror crash.'[/p][/quote]Well they are sort of right as st peters way will be closed...people forget theres a speed limit of 50 on that road..ive seen cars haring down it and just breaking hard where speed cameras are..[/p][/quote]Braking hard...
They brake hard because the speed cameras are there, if they removed the cameras the road would be safer. I used the road leading from the M60 to Bolton town centre over many years, sometimes travelling quite fast and yet I did not come close to having an accident.
At what speed you must travel to lose control to the point where you turn the car over on St Peter's Way must be 100 Mph plus...or just poor control or lack of concentrationComment777

I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.pugw$sh

It's so sad R.I.P a a waste of life my heart go,s out to all the family's the sad thing is that it looks like the car hit the speed camera and it looks like the camera did most damage to the car. Why are these cameras still here there hasn't been cameras in side them for over 3 years.

It's so sad R.I.P a a waste of life my heart go,s out to all the family's the sad thing is that it looks like the car hit the speed camera and it looks like the camera did most damage to the car. Why are these cameras still here there hasn't been cameras in side them for over 3 years.biglad44

William2701 wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.

The naming is irrelevant, but you are wrong, ai teast accordind to streetmap.co.uk. St Peter's Way finishes at the the Kearsl;ey roundabout, where the motorway begins.

[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote:
Hoping that nobody is seriously hurt. Just a point of note however. The place where this has occurred is on the Farnworth and Kearsley By-Pass. St Peter's way actually only commences where the road crosses over the old Bolton County Borough Boundary near Moses Gate.[/p][/quote]The naming is irrelevant, but you are wrong, ai teast accordind to streetmap.co.uk. St Peter's Way finishes at the the Kearsl;ey roundabout, where the motorway begins.Darren1951

pugw$sh wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.

[quote][p][bold]pugw$sh[/bold] wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.[/p][/quote]This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.mililly

pugw$sh wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.

You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.

[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pugw$sh[/bold] wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.[/p][/quote]This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.[/p][/quote]You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.Donkey Stone

pugw$sh wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.

You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.

Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.

[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pugw$sh[/bold] wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.[/p][/quote]This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.[/p][/quote]You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.[/p][/quote]Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.mililly

Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.

A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???
Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.Comment777

Yes spot on the only problem would be the exit junctions and entry roads they would be needed at every junction. Drop the speed limit to 40 and enforce it unmarked police cars.

[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote:
Replace the gatso cameras with average speed cams.[/p][/quote]Yes spot on the only problem would be the exit junctions and entry roads they would be needed at every junction. Drop the speed limit to 40 and enforce it unmarked police cars.biglad44

Comment777 wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???

Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.

Yep, compulsary dash-cams would be a good start as would raising the minimum age for a licence to 21. I use a hi-def RoadHawk and as well as recording others, it makes me a safer driver. After that, age-related limits on horsepower - at present an 18 year old can get a 200-300 bhp car (or as much as the insurance costs allow) as soon as he or she passes the driving exams. Irrespective of fault, thats killing people.

Driving lessons and driver training are two entirely different things and until a driver can actually handle a car, strict limits should be set. How many parents have sent their teen offspring for driver training? Very few, they'd rather have the latest flat screen TV on their wall than make sure their kids are as safe as they can be behind the wheel. To re-iterate - driving lessons and driving tests do not train someone to handle an respect their car - the sole aim is to pass the test.

Sadly, you'll always get idiots that want to punch people, that want to drive faster than their talent, or are happy to take grave risks with other peoples lives as well as their own. For what? Every passenger puts their life in the hands of their driver and the other users of the highway and how soon is that forgotten? Put a TV in the car and all of a sudden, the same idiots are driving on egg-shells.

Of course the above doesn't specifically relate to this accident, but an eye-witness commenting here states very definately that more than one car was involved and that the crashed car was involved in several altercations prior to the loss of control. The result of this is that a passenger, someone's daughter, has been seriously injured and nearly lost her life - I have a young daughter and cannot for the life of me imagine what the injured girl's parents must be going through tonight. If the driver had not been fatally injured, would the comments be saying get well soon? Going off previous comments for some of the major crashes from 2013, I very seriously doubt it.

Lets read the facts first and then look at where our sympathies should be placed.

[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???
Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.[/p][/quote]Yep, compulsary dash-cams would be a good start as would raising the minimum age for a licence to 21. I use a hi-def RoadHawk and as well as recording others, it makes me a safer driver. After that, age-related limits on horsepower - at present an 18 year old can get a 200-300 bhp car (or as much as the insurance costs allow) as soon as he or she passes the driving exams. Irrespective of fault, thats killing people.
Driving lessons and driver training are two entirely different things and until a driver can actually handle a car, strict limits should be set. How many parents have sent their teen offspring for driver training? Very few, they'd rather have the latest flat screen TV on their wall than make sure their kids are as safe as they can be behind the wheel. To re-iterate - driving lessons and driving tests do not train someone to handle an respect their car - the sole aim is to pass the test.
Sadly, you'll always get idiots that want to punch people, that want to drive faster than their talent, or are happy to take grave risks with other peoples lives as well as their own. For what? Every passenger puts their life in the hands of their driver and the other users of the highway and how soon is that forgotten? Put a TV in the car and all of a sudden, the same idiots are driving on egg-shells.
Of course the above doesn't specifically relate to this accident, but an eye-witness commenting here states very definately that more than one car was involved and that the crashed car was involved in several altercations prior to the loss of control. The result of this is that a passenger, someone's daughter, has been seriously injured and nearly lost her life - I have a young daughter and cannot for the life of me imagine what the injured girl's parents must be going through tonight. If the driver had not been fatally injured, would the comments be saying get well soon? Going off previous comments for some of the major crashes from 2013, I very seriously doubt it.
Lets read the facts first and then look at where our sympathies should be placed.Don Kiddick

Comment777 wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???

Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.

Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.

[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???
Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.[/p][/quote]Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.mr.mark.c

Comment777 wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???

Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.

Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.

Yeh, sh1t just happens. Then again, there's an eye-witness who's stating that the crashed car was involved in a prolonged altercation with another car just prior to losing control as the other car leaves the scene. But hey, it's probably just the driver's brain not adjusting.

And what's this big brother nonsense? Cams are commonplace, most cyclists wear them, I use a RoadHawk which has recorded many a comic moment as well as some utter lunacy, plus a Go-Pro cam on track. They are not linked to the great Orwellian monster that you fear so much, they just record what you see. Obviously you choose not to hide your idiocy, but is there something else you don't want us to see?

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???
Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.[/p][/quote]Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.[/p][/quote]Yeh, sh1t just happens. Then again, there's an eye-witness who's stating that the crashed car was involved in a prolonged altercation with another car just prior to losing control as the other car leaves the scene. But hey, it's probably just the driver's brain not adjusting.
And what's this big brother nonsense? Cams are commonplace, most cyclists wear them, I use a RoadHawk which has recorded many a comic moment as well as some utter lunacy, plus a Go-Pro cam on track. They are not linked to the great Orwellian monster that you fear so much, they just record what you see. Obviously you choose not to hide your idiocy, but is there something else you don't want us to see?Don Kiddick

That junction is awful. There slip road is too short, there is no proper sight for either drivers on the slip road or the main carriageway and in many cases drivers are still driving at motorway speeds of 70. I'm surprised there have not been more accidents there.

I'm also not generally in favor of speed cameras, but placing them before these junctions on the A666 makes sense and is appropriate. There need to be speed cameras just before this junction too, along with work to extend the slip roads to a more appropriate length.

That junction is awful. There slip road is too short, there is no proper sight for either drivers on the slip road or the main carriageway and in many cases drivers are still driving at motorway speeds of 70. I'm surprised there have not been more accidents there.
I'm also not generally in favor of speed cameras, but placing them before these junctions on the A666 makes sense and is appropriate. There need to be speed cameras just before this junction too, along with work to extend the slip roads to a more appropriate length.Gomacadeshez

Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.

But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.

All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.

As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.
But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.
All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.
As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.Regulatory Man

pugw$sh wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.

You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.

Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.

You said someone was driving recklessly, that is an assumption. The rest is heresay. Think about the families involved and wait for the facts to emerge.

[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pugw$sh[/bold] wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.[/p][/quote]This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.[/p][/quote]You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.[/p][/quote]Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.[/p][/quote]You said someone was driving recklessly, that is an assumption. The rest is heresay. Think about the families involved and wait for the facts to emerge.Donkey Stone

In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. I drive on that route both ways daily and both ways its not suitable for its purpose. I used to work for the council officer who built it and he said they skimped on costs and future predictions otherwise it would have been a full on motorway into the town centre. The slip roads are not to the correct legal standards as you can see whenever you pass one in rush hours traffic. There are redundant bridges and concrete sign posts and large central verges that can be or should be removed for safeties sake. Changes are needed, remember when cyclists used to use the route!? That was scary for everyone! Average speed cameras would work perfectly to keep the majority of drivers safe. The mobile speed camera parked up on the bridge frequently southbound near the BMW showroom isn't practical, as others have said it slows drivers down temporarily and then its a rush to the next fixed camera. It also amazes me that there are so few incidents with few drivers giving way when they join the dual carriageway either side of the BMW/Raikes Lane Bridge junctions!

In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. I drive on that route both ways daily and both ways its not suitable for its purpose. I used to work for the council officer who built it and he said they skimped on costs and future predictions otherwise it would have been a full on motorway into the town centre. The slip roads are not to the correct legal standards as you can see whenever you pass one in rush hours traffic. There are redundant bridges and concrete sign posts and large central verges that can be or should be removed for safeties sake. Changes are needed, remember when cyclists used to use the route!? That was scary for everyone! Average speed cameras would work perfectly to keep the majority of drivers safe. The mobile speed camera parked up on the bridge frequently southbound near the BMW showroom isn't practical, as others have said it slows drivers down temporarily and then its a rush to the next fixed camera. It also amazes me that there are so few incidents with few drivers giving way when they join the dual carriageway either side of the BMW/Raikes Lane Bridge junctions!wandererfornow

wandererfornow wrote:
In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. I drive on that route both ways daily and both ways its not suitable for its purpose. I used to work for the council officer who built it and he said they skimped on costs and future predictions otherwise it would have been a full on motorway into the town centre. The slip roads are not to the correct legal standards as you can see whenever you pass one in rush hours traffic. There are redundant bridges and concrete sign posts and large central verges that can be or should be removed for safeties sake. Changes are needed, remember when cyclists used to use the route!? That was scary for everyone! Average speed cameras would work perfectly to keep the majority of drivers safe. The mobile speed camera parked up on the bridge frequently southbound near the BMW showroom isn't practical, as others have said it slows drivers down temporarily and then its a rush to the next fixed camera. It also amazes me that there are so few incidents with few drivers giving way when they join the dual carriageway either side of the BMW/Raikes Lane Bridge junctions!

If a camera makes drivers slow down "temorarily", why should there then be a mad rush to the next camera, when the speed limit doesn't change?. I accept what you say about saving and skimping, because I'm have no information to the contrary, but the rest, as others have pointed out, seems to be down purely and simply to the selfishness and lack of consideration by the majority of other drivers.

[quote][p][bold]wandererfornow[/bold] wrote:
In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. I drive on that route both ways daily and both ways its not suitable for its purpose. I used to work for the council officer who built it and he said they skimped on costs and future predictions otherwise it would have been a full on motorway into the town centre. The slip roads are not to the correct legal standards as you can see whenever you pass one in rush hours traffic. There are redundant bridges and concrete sign posts and large central verges that can be or should be removed for safeties sake. Changes are needed, remember when cyclists used to use the route!? That was scary for everyone! Average speed cameras would work perfectly to keep the majority of drivers safe. The mobile speed camera parked up on the bridge frequently southbound near the BMW showroom isn't practical, as others have said it slows drivers down temporarily and then its a rush to the next fixed camera. It also amazes me that there are so few incidents with few drivers giving way when they join the dual carriageway either side of the BMW/Raikes Lane Bridge junctions![/p][/quote]If a camera makes drivers slow down "temorarily", why should there then be a mad rush to the next camera, when the speed limit doesn't change?. I accept what you say about saving and skimping, because I'm have no information to the contrary, but the rest, as others have pointed out, seems to be down purely and simply to the selfishness and lack of consideration by the majority of other drivers.Darren1951

pugw$sh wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.

This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.

You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.

Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.

You said someone was driving recklessly, that is an assumption. The rest is heresay. Think about the families involved and wait for the facts to emerge.

Well the story did state another car involved and that therehad been altercations before the crash so read the report before you comment and assume im speculating. Accidents like this dont just happen and since this report a man has been arrested and released on bail...

[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pugw$sh[/bold] wrote:
I was one of several people that stopped to assist immediately following this tragic crash, there is a lot more to this than just a single vehicle crashing. Another vehicle was involved (which failed to stop) and there was several previous incidents on the Kearsley link road from the M60 involving these vehicles.
Whatever else has gone on, the over-riding issue is that a 24 year old man has lost his life and 20 year old woman is fighting for life. Our initial concern should be that the young woman recovers and then we can look at how to make this section of road safer for all users.[/p][/quote]This and many roads will only be safer if people drive more safely. How ever this accident happened someone was driving wrecklessly for it to happen.[/p][/quote]You shouldn't speculate. One person is dead and another seriously injured. Spare a thought for the families involved before you climb onto your high horse.[/p][/quote]Im not on my high horse if youd read my reply I was only responding to someone elses comment that if people drove safely then there would be less accidents.[/p][/quote]You said someone was driving recklessly, that is an assumption. The rest is heresay. Think about the families involved and wait for the facts to emerge.[/p][/quote]Well the story did state another car involved and that therehad been altercations before the crash so read the report before you comment and assume im speculating. Accidents like this dont just happen and since this report a man has been arrested and released on bail...mililly

Regulatory Man wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.

But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.

All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.

As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

My thoughts exactly.....

[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.
But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.
All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.
As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly.....mililly

Comment777 wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???

Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.

Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.

Yeh, sh1t just happens. Then again, there's an eye-witness who's stating that the crashed car was involved in a prolonged altercation with another car just prior to losing control as the other car leaves the scene. But hey, it's probably just the driver's brain not adjusting.

And what's this big brother nonsense? Cams are commonplace, most cyclists wear them, I use a RoadHawk which has recorded many a comic moment as well as some utter lunacy, plus a Go-Pro cam on track. They are not linked to the great Orwellian monster that you fear so much, they just record what you see. Obviously you choose not to hide your idiocy, but is there something else you don't want us to see?

Eloquently put, harsh but fair

[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
A666 claims another life, time to change the designation number???
Cameras in all cars would be a massive deterrent to careless/reckless driving of the car in which the camera is situated and that of other drivers whose driving it is watching and recording.[/p][/quote]Big brother tracking your every move?
No thanks.
That section of road is notorious for crashes,
No1 its just off the motorway and drivers brains have not had chance to adjust.
No2 its a bend and has a surface water problem
Couple that with a small fuel spill and the camera and its a disaster.
I cant place driver blame at all, its just a tragic accident that was waiting to happen due to the road itself.
RIP fella and I hope the lass pulls through.[/p][/quote]Yeh, sh1t just happens. Then again, there's an eye-witness who's stating that the crashed car was involved in a prolonged altercation with another car just prior to losing control as the other car leaves the scene. But hey, it's probably just the driver's brain not adjusting.
And what's this big brother nonsense? Cams are commonplace, most cyclists wear them, I use a RoadHawk which has recorded many a comic moment as well as some utter lunacy, plus a Go-Pro cam on track. They are not linked to the great Orwellian monster that you fear so much, they just record what you see. Obviously you choose not to hide your idiocy, but is there something else you don't want us to see?[/p][/quote]Eloquently put, harsh but fairComment777

Regulatory Man wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.

But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.

All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.

As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.

Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!

If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...

[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.
But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.
All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.
As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.[/p][/quote]He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.
Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!
If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...Comment777

Regulatory Man wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.

But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.

All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.

As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.

Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!

If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...

Therefore involving another innocent victim.

[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.
But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.
All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.
As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.[/p][/quote]He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.
Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!
If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...[/p][/quote]Therefore involving another innocent victim.Donkey Stone

Not to take away from this terrible event, nor to minimize the heartbreak felt by family and friends these few days, but was there really the absolute need for so many emergency vehicles to attend the scene? I was driving past the incident on the opposite lane minutes after the incident and was amazed to see the sheer number of emergency vehicles at the scene. I counted at least seven or eight marked traffic patrol cars, two or three fire engines, two ambulances and four unmarked chase cars arriving at the scene. One wonders what that did to the coverage of roads in the conurbation yesterday. And they say resources are tight and stretched to the limits. Just commenting.

Not to take away from this terrible event, nor to minimize the heartbreak felt by family and friends these few days, but was there really the absolute need for so many emergency vehicles to attend the scene? I was driving past the incident on the opposite lane minutes after the incident and was amazed to see the sheer number of emergency vehicles at the scene. I counted at least seven or eight marked traffic patrol cars, two or three fire engines, two ambulances and four unmarked chase cars arriving at the scene. One wonders what that did to the coverage of roads in the conurbation yesterday. And they say resources are tight and stretched to the limits. Just commenting.Old Boltonian

"In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. "

This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think?

I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

"In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. "
This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think?
I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .Don Kiddick

Don Kiddick wrote:
&quot;In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. "

This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think?

I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

You are a pathetic evil person.
You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ?
And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it.
I pity you.

[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
"In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. "
This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think?
I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .[/p][/quote]You are a pathetic evil person.
You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ?
And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it.
I pity you.mr.mark.c

There are thousands of vehicles on the road with no tax, insurance and driven by illegal drivers.

Are they suddenly going to think, id better not go out in my car there's no camera installed.

It will be a new form of car tax, don't car owners not pay enough tax all of a sudden???

All these demands for cameras to be installed is total rubbish.
There are thousands of vehicles on the road with no tax, insurance and driven by illegal drivers.
Are they suddenly going to think, id better not go out in my car there's no camera installed.
It will be a new form of car tax, don't car owners not pay enough tax all of a sudden???Jim271

Regulatory Man wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.

But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.

All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.

As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.

Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!

If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...

He hadn't at the time I wrote the post ;-)

[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote:
Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result.
But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit.
All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits.
As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.[/p][/quote]He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think.
Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!!
If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...[/p][/quote]He hadn't at the time I wrote the post ;-)Regulatory Man

Don Kiddick wrote: &quot;In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.

Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: "In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .[/p][/quote]You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.Don Kiddick

Regulatory Man wrote: Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result. But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit. All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits. As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.

He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think. Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!! If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...

I don't agree with the substitution of a loved one . . . but I tend to agree with the rest. Lifetime ban - some might say that would lead to more illegal drivers which I think is a fair point, but I still agree with the ban and very stiff punishments for those who chose to ignore the penalty. Dash Cams - yep, I agree 100% and no-one can disagree that the roads are full of halfwits causing all manner of accidents.

Assuming one of the posters here is telling the truth and was indeed an eye-witness, this was no accident but a prolonged bout of bad driving, possibly road rage, which either driver could have backed off from for the sake of themselves, their passengers and other innocent road users. Looking at the aftermath, that clearly did not happen and speed was involved. It is saddening there has been a fatality, and more so because the deceased looks to have had his life sorted out. It doesn't absorb responsibility though. If this was road rage, neither driver gave a jot about any other party during this prolonged event. Did either care about what might happen? We wont know until the facts are reported.

[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: Respect to the families of those involved in this awful mess as they now have to live with the result. But please don't dress it up. Speed cameras don't cause accidents like this, bad driving does. It's as simple as that. I drive many miles, regularly up and down the country and I use this stretch of road every day and you don't hit that stretch of road, camera or not and do that amount of damage if you're driving appropriately. for the speed limit. All this nonsense that it's the weather conditions, it was the speed camera - Rubbish! Accidents like these typically happen when people drive like halfwits. As for the alleged other vehicle involved that apparently drove off, if true they will catch you. Hand yourself in and do the right thing.[/p][/quote]He has, and has been bailed pending further enquiries one would think. Now if both cars had had a camera installed there would be no need to provide bail. Either the other driver would not be charged with dangerous/careless driving or whatever other offence was thought to have been committed or he would be charged...simple!!! If the other person is found to be responsible for the accident he should be jailed for a very very long time, life time driving ban and allowed to nominate a loved one who would be made to experience and suffer the same injuries as the passenger from the car in which the young man lost his life...[/p][/quote]I don't agree with the substitution of a loved one . . . but I tend to agree with the rest. Lifetime ban - some might say that would lead to more illegal drivers which I think is a fair point, but I still agree with the ban and very stiff punishments for those who chose to ignore the penalty. Dash Cams - yep, I agree 100% and no-one can disagree that the roads are full of halfwits causing all manner of accidents.
Assuming one of the posters here is telling the truth and was indeed an eye-witness, this was no accident but a prolonged bout of bad driving, possibly road rage, which either driver could have backed off from for the sake of themselves, their passengers and other innocent road users. Looking at the aftermath, that clearly did not happen and speed was involved. It is saddening there has been a fatality, and more so because the deceased looks to have had his life sorted out. It doesn't absorb responsibility though. If this was road rage, neither driver gave a jot about any other party during this prolonged event. Did either care about what might happen? We wont know until the facts are reported.Don Kiddick

Don Kiddick wrote: &quot;In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.

Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.

Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.

[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: "In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .[/p][/quote]You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.[/p][/quote]Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.mr.mark.c

Don Kiddick wrote: &quot;In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.

Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.

Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.

Yep, a bit like the tooth fairy.

Go back and look at why you called me a "pathetic, evil person", and you will notice I didn't say a single detrimental word against you, I didn't call you a name, I didn't threaten you - nothing, but your rage against my comment resulted in a very personal attack directed towards me!

Hahaha, you're no less disgusting than the road rage idiots causing carnage on our roads, you attacked in exactly the same way but you think you're better because you never grew out of the fairy stories.

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: "In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .[/p][/quote]You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.[/p][/quote]Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.[/p][/quote]Yep, a bit like the tooth fairy.
Go back and look at why you called me a "pathetic, evil person", and you will notice I didn't say a single detrimental word against you, I didn't call you a name, I didn't threaten you - nothing, but your rage against my comment resulted in a very personal attack directed towards me!
Hahaha, you're no less disgusting than the road rage idiots causing carnage on our roads, you attacked in exactly the same way but you think you're better because you never grew out of the fairy stories.Don Kiddick

Don Kiddick wrote: &quot;In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .

You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.

Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.

Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.

Yep, a bit like the tooth fairy.

Go back and look at why you called me a "pathetic, evil person", and you will notice I didn't say a single detrimental word against you, I didn't call you a name, I didn't threaten you - nothing, but your rage against my comment resulted in a very personal attack directed towards me!

Hahaha, you're no less disgusting than the road rage idiots causing carnage on our roads, you attacked in exactly the same way but you think you're better because you never grew out of the fairy stories.

I take it you are the sort of person (not a man) that tells little children that santa doesnt exist ?
The same person that when a small child is losing their milk teeth just grunts rather than sneaking in and replacing it with some money from the tooth fairy?
Real or not (I dont know) its called faith, look up 'Humanism' , that isnt a faith but they atleast have moral values.

[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: "In relation to this incident it is sad another tragic accident has happened, God bless all those involved and concerned. " This appears to have been anything BUT an accident and, asuming your ridiculous "god" is the blessing kind, it seems rather unkind in how it has blessed the family of the critically injured young woman don't you think? I know, I know, god giveth, god taketh, god moves in mysterious ways, god is crap with money so give us some dosh for the church roof . . .[/p][/quote]You are a pathetic evil person. You assume this was not an accident so implying the driver crashed on purpose or was forced off the road ? And then being the pathetic person you are you bring faith into it. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true believer and a perfect example of how religion poisons and rots society. Laughable. As for this being an accident, the truth will out soon enough - and thats a truth built on fact not childish fairytales about heaven and hell.[/p][/quote]Sometimes a little faith can give comfort when it is most needed.[/p][/quote]Yep, a bit like the tooth fairy.
Go back and look at why you called me a "pathetic, evil person", and you will notice I didn't say a single detrimental word against you, I didn't call you a name, I didn't threaten you - nothing, but your rage against my comment resulted in a very personal attack directed towards me!
Hahaha, you're no less disgusting than the road rage idiots causing carnage on our roads, you attacked in exactly the same way but you think you're better because you never grew out of the fairy stories.[/p][/quote]I take it you are the sort of person (not a man) that tells little children that santa doesnt exist ?
The same person that when a small child is losing their milk teeth just grunts rather than sneaking in and replacing it with some money from the tooth fairy?
Real or not (I dont know) its called faith, look up 'Humanism' , that isnt a faith but they atleast have moral values.mr.mark.c

As u all must no I'm the girl from the crash, and we was not speeding there was a dick head driver acting daft on the road, as my friend turned to move from the car, the back end of our car skid, so don't give me all this **** and vile comments when you lot don't have a clue! My friend lost his life, he fought for our country what to loose his life on the roads of a dick head driver. R.I.P tony miss you so much, KARMA will get that driver..

As u all must no I'm the girl from the crash, and we was not speeding there was a dick head driver acting daft on the road, as my friend turned to move from the car, the back end of our car skid, so don't give me all this **** and vile comments when you lot don't have a clue! My friend lost his life, he fought for our country what to loose his life on the roads of a dick head driver. R.I.P tony miss you so much, KARMA will get that driver..Paige Jeffrey