That first guy is doing it wrong. I have one of those tools and hitting the center of the window will just get you a rebounding tool. Aim for about an inch in from the corner, and all you'll need to do is tap.

You could totally teach a class. I know I'd sign up!

That was awesome, thanks.

IMO... this is a much better window breaking tool. Compact... really easy to use (just push)... and the cost 3 bucks. I keep one in the door panel on my truck in case I ever drive into a river... or off a pier.

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Doesn't have the cool seat belt cutter and stuff though.

Even easier is using a spark plug. you can tie one to a string or just use a broken one. there are many videos on youtube that show how easy it is, works even better than a rock.

haolegirl:the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.

I commend her attitude concerning the dog but her response to the manager was probably what got her fired.

I worked at JC Penny decades ago, selling suits. This was when it seemed every thief caught by any employee suddenly could sue the stores they worked for, especially if the employee laid hands on the bugger. (Like grab him by the arm before he steps off the sidewalk.)

So, we were ordered NOT to go after thieves ourselves due to assorted liability issues. We were to call a code over the loud speaker which identified our area and would bring a manager running, who would then go confront the thief.

That worked about as well as you might expect. I walked up on a thief, had to go back to my counter, call in the code and wait for the manager to come charging down. By then, the thief, with his stolen goods, walked right out the front door. When the manager showed up and found the thief gone, he got irritated at me! To make matters worse, as I stood by the door, looking out, the thief drove by laughing and waving his stolen stuff.

Damned if you did and damned if you didn't.

I worked at K-mart as the receiving manager, caught a thief stealing cartons of cigarettes off the back dock and went after him. K-mart approved. I grabbed up a 2x4 on my way through the pallet stack and he dropped the cartons as he ran to a waiting car down towards the end of the building and escaped.

However, even that bounced back on me a bit. The manager decided that when unloading the huge masses of freight, it needed to be brought directly into the tiny receiving bay, then put away, causing me all sorts of problems. We used to unload it on the dock, check it in, sort it out and then put it away because there was more room.

Though the girl was right. You are told all over the media to report any kid or pet locked in a hot car during the summer time. They feed you all sorts of horror stories about what can happen.

They just don't mention the assorted liability claims your store can face for you getting involved.

Remember JC Penny? That all started because some store employees from a different company chased a thief out into the parking lot and caught him. He put up a fight and one employee decked the guy.

When the cops came, the thief filed an assault charge. It actually went to court. Then he filed suit from jail against the store since the guy that hit him worked for it. That went to court also. He lost, but the store had to pay their lawyers a bundle.

Stores hate paying lawyers. Even if the cases are won, the bill can be huge, which is why so many stores settle out of court, right or wrong. Plus, it quickly became a thing for lawyers to drag out cases, for years sometimes, which enabled them to make millions.

These days, so many companies are afraid of lawsuits because of the expense and the fact that judges are allowing so many ridiculous ones through that they'll cut any employee loose who might be a liability, no matter how good a worker he or she is.

Years ago, cars had a separate light switch. Folks also parked and left their doors unlocked and windows down. Now and then, someone would forget to turn off their headlights. It was good form for a passerby to reach in, push the switch and shut the lights off before the battery drained.

I would not do even that today. You risk getting arrested or sued or both.

I mean, you're seeing how well the 'Stand Your Ground' law is working in Florida. Even if the defendant is found innocent, chances are he'll be bankrupt by the end of the mess. Not to mention that the dead kids' family will be able to file a wrongful death suit. He can win the murder case but loose the lawsuit.

Why do you guys keep saying if? What if it was 75 degrees outside and cloudy? What if the owner rolled up his windows to keep the cold air inside the car? Would that constitute harassing him, then? Just how much are you allowed to insult and harass someone just because they have a dog? Can I start a fist fight with them just because I don't like them?

Pray 4 Mojo:haolegirl: the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.

Like... while people were out camping?!?! What a dumbass!

/And a total dick.

Yup...like I said, he got what he deserved...my dog on the otoh, idk if she would bat an eye if I wasn't in the car. Did have her charge a guy who tried to approach the car to direct traffic, and even tho she wasn't coming at me it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

Bung_Howdy:BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)

The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl:Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.

strathmeyer:Just how much are you allowed to insult and harass someone just because they have a dog? Can I start a fist fight with them just because I don't like them?

Proves my point on litigious society and concern over idjits and random variables

BarkingUnicorn:Bung_Howdy: BUT in today's litigious society, I worry about damn near everything. Just playing devils advocate. Not a far stretch to claim a dog jumped out of fully open vehicle window and bit someone (even if it went down differently). I'll bet the azzhole would win, too... I would have felt uncomfortable ever leaving (even my well trained) dogs with fully rolled down windows. Too many random variables (sirens, loud noises startling them, animals passing by, fatties with food, dipshiats who want to pet animals in cars, etc.)

/used to have the luxury of a lawyer on retainer

Doesn't sound like it was a luxury for you./don't leave windows down far enough for dogs to escape, people.

seconded..//lBTW: Lawyer on retainer was for my business, not for dogs

Thai_Mai_Xhu:My houseboy Boogie was stolen recently, people saw him taken, didn't get the tag number.Treat your pups good people, you may (will) part too soon.Chipped?Yes, but it probably won't help, here people would rather shoot a dog than buy a flea collar, let alone take one to a vet.Goddamnitsomuch.

RealAmericanHero:So Wal-Mart is pro-animal torture? Or at least against speaking out against it? Interesting.

No, Walmart is against dumbass sales clerks telling their manager "I don't care what you tell me, I'm going to call the cops if I ever see a dog in a car ever again."

The correct thing to do in this situation, if a manager says "Next time, I want you to come to me first," is to nod your little head, even if inside what you're saying is you're still going to call the cops. Then, if there is a next time, you dial 911--which is a totally anonymous reporting line--report the dog-killing douchebag, THEN go and tell your manager. If the cops show up, YOU don't have to be the one to say you called them. Some unknown citizen did his or her good deed and notified them there was a dog dying in the heat--YOU told your manager like a good little drone. Then let the chips fall where they may. If what your goal is, is to save the dog's life. If your goal is to get your 15 minutes of attention-whoring fame, then you've been unmasked as the AW you are.

If you must tell your manager you're going to be Superman, you're going to get sacked. If you can't think of a way to do the right thing and also keep your soul-sucking minimum wage job, then you deserve to lose it (assuming you ever wanted it); but playing by the rules does NOT mean leaving dogs to die in sweltering cars; it just means thinking outside the box.

haolegirl:Pray 4 Mojo: haolegirl: the guy who got chewed up had been going motor home to motor home stealing whatever wasn't nailed down till he got what was coming to him. Was one of those big "let's all get together n camp" kinda things.

Like... while people were out camping?!?! What a dumbass!

/And a total dick.

Yup...like I said, he got what he deserved...my dog on the otoh, idk if she would bat an eye if I wasn't in the car. Did have her charge a guy who tried to approach the car to direct traffic, and even tho she wasn't coming at me it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

I train dogs, including so-called "problem dogs" (problem owners). I can help you, if you can't find someone in your area.

BuckTurgidson:The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl: Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.

I believe that the dog owner was in the wrong for leaving the dog in the car. The ex-employee was also in the wrong. The company has a policy in place, namely, that employees are to notify a manager, which she refused to follow. Years ago, I worked at Toys R Us, and we had a policy that management was to be notified and they would then run an announcement requesting that the owner of a red Toyota with license # XXX come to the service desk. When the customer arrived, they'd be notified that they needed to leave and take care of their pet. I imagine WalMart has a similar policy in place. While the girl may have not been working at the time of this incident, while sitting on their property associating with other employees, she could logically be assumed to be a WalMart representative, and as such, she needs to be following company policy. By refusing to follow their policy, she deserved firing.

I sincerely believe that pets shouldn't be left in cars during the summer, and once actually took a cat from a car. I had gone to the book-store and the neighboring grocery store, and noticed a cat in the adjacent car when I was getting out of my car. An hour and a half later, when I returned to my car, the cat was laying on the floorboard not moving. The car wasn't locked, so I opened the door to check on him, but he didn't move at all, just lay there gasping. I opened up a can of coke, the only liquid I had with me, and poured it on him, at which point he actually started lapping up the soda. I took him in my car and turned the AC on and sat with him for another half hour or so, and then decided the hell with it, he'd have been dead if I left him, so now he was mine. I took him to the vet, and surprise, surprise, he was incredibly dehydrated, but he wound up with no long-lasting ill effects.

Anastaysia or whatever the fark your name is, this is what you're saying: "Leaving dogs in a hot car is bad. But It's ok if *I* do it, because I'm different than other people."You're a moron. Dogs can't sweat like us and overheat much faster. If you take puppy for a car ride, don't plan on stopping anywhere, you dumb biatch. There's no excuse. You're just another abuser who thinks she's exempt.

Walmart sucks, and their management sucks. So they lost one customer who said he's not coming back because the employee did the right thing, and the employee has to be fired over it? It's ONE customer, not a thousand!!!!

Why not just leave your dog at home? Seriously. If you know that you have to go shopping why bring it with at all?

If you want to get your dog out of the house for a while then do so in a way that's dog friendly. Take it to a park or something. If you want too go grocery shopping there is no good reason to being it along. Why put your pet in a situation where it has to sit in a car by itself while you do other things? If that means taking your dog somewhere like a park, taking it back home, then going back out to shop then so be it.

Sometimes going out of your way for the sake of another is part of caring for another living creature - be it a child, pet, or something else. If you're too lazy to take the appropriate steps to insure the well being of that which is in your care then you shouldn't be caring for something in the first place.

If the dog simply cannot be home alone for some reason and you live alone, then you need to reevaluate your living arrangements. There is no good reason to take your dog with you to do grocery shopping or to run errands.

/Have had dogs over the years//Knew full well that there are places they didn't need to be

Anastacya:WordyGrrl: Anastacya: If I am just running in to pick up a prescription or something I will roll the windows down and leave a small bowl of water for my dog. If it is insanely hot, I won't even bring her. She is getting old now and being blind she really enjoys sniffing out of the car window, so I like to bring her along before she is unable to get into the car anymore.

Leaving your dog while you go for an extended grocery trip, however, is just bad. Mmmkay? Kudos to the employee, but I see both sides of the issue.

If I see a dog in a car, and it doesn't look like it's doing so well, I'm going to have them page the "owner of the (make, model) vehicle" to come to the front of the store so I can let them know how the dog's doing. Especially if I don't know how long that dog's been in that car. It's easy for a "just get in, get out" shopping trip to end up lasting longer when you're actually in the store and seeing things you just now realized you need.

Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

Oh I do take care. For me, too warm is around 75°F. And if I am in the store for more than ten minutes, tops, I will leave and take her home and then come back. Fortunately Pierre is a small town and I don't have to worry about a long drive (from pretty much anywhere). People just don't realize that even with parking in the shade, leaving the windows open AND with water, the air temperature is worse because they're covered in fur.

If I come out and she is too hot I just run to Burger King and get her an ice cream cone. They're 50¢ all summer :P

My dog gets a scoop of vanilla UDF on occasion. If it gets above 75 F, unfortunately (?) she has to stay at home for this exact reason.

WTP 2:why does anyone take a pet if they know that they will be leaving them in the car ?????

I take my dog with me on short trips like the auto parts store and leave the car and A/C running. The car has a keypad on the side for me to lock or unlock it. That way Gojo stays cool and enjoys his ride. Once I'm back in the car I roll the window down for the little guy.

mongbiohazard:Anastacya: Oh after RTFA, nevermind. She refused the instructions of her matter and flat-out told him that she would go over his head the next time that she saw a pet in a vehicle. Dumbass.

We should always be following orders, even when they are immoral or illegal. Everyone knows if you're just following orders you're exempt from responsibility for your actions or inaction, both morally and legally.

BuckTurgidson:The man took his dog back to the truck and rolled up the windows, leaving them open about an inch,

WordyGrrl: Even mildly warm weather can cause the inside of a vehicle to get too hot, especially if the sun's out. Give that pup a hug and be careful, okay? She sounds like a sweetie who deserves some fun.

When it's 100 degrees out and I'm at work, my dog and every human outside is suffering 100 degree heat.

With multiple windows cracked an inch or more, the interior temperature of the car is ambient, the same heat none of us can escape.

You think the interior air of a car with all the windows cracked an inch will stay the same temperature as the outside air?

Yeah, just like the anti-abortionists trying to get up in a woman's business. Busybodies.

Yeah because stopping someone from murdering their child is the equivalent to a dog in hot car? Sicko.

Waldo Pepper:At any point did this chick try to give the dog some water thru the window to help it cool off? An inch opening is big enough to put a water bottle up for the dog to drink and if the dog was truly in distress to cool off he would gladly take the water.

nope of course not she simply wanted to play the drama queen. maybe I just don't get it but have dogs become wimpier over the years. I swear when i was a kid one would see dogs left in cars quite often and I don't believe I ever heard of one dying while their owners shopped.

Mystery Vortex:Anastaysia or whatever the fark your name is, this is what you're saying: "Leaving dogs in a hot car is bad. But It's ok if *I* do it, because I'm different than other people."You're a moron. Dogs can't sweat like us and overheat much faster. If you take puppy for a car ride, don't plan on stopping anywhere, you dumb biatch. There's no excuse. You're just another abuser who thinks she's exempt.

Aww thank you. You're right, the dog that I've dragged in bleeding to a vet to save her life I'm abusing. I'll go call the local animal control right now, she is sitting outside sniffing the breeze but it's 79 out, OH GOD NO!

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?

How do any of those things qualify you to determine the relative thermodynamics of a car with it's windows down? I'm sure you were probably taught that... but that doesn't make it true.

Is there a magic force-field around the doors that keeps the 70 degree outside air from transferring into the car... and it magically heats up inside?

No, there are things called WINDOWS which are made of GLASS, which magnify the heat from the sun shining through them into the car, and the heat RISES, thereby keeping the cooler air from coming into the car. Or am I going to fast for you??

The windows that are inside the doors after they are rolled down are magnifying sunlight?

You leave your car with the windows rolled all the way down? And your pet stays inside?? Or you just don't have a pet at all, and are talking out of your arse?

Don't get all shiatty with me because of what you said.

RealFarknMcCoy2: A car (even with the windows rolled down) on a day which is only 70 degrees can quickly reach 100 degrees

And yes... my dogs would not jump out of the car with the windows rolled down.. because I actually took the time to train them. Even the Border Collie who was capable of jumping in and out of the window of my lifted farm truck.

If you "meant" windows 'cracked' or 'partially rolled down'... I got no argument with that... but that's not what you said... which prompted my original response to you.

With respect, there are also the front and back windshields, which also refract light parabolically and magnify heat, and tend not to be retractable.