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Eh, I can imagine that some of the Mandalores would have taken the title to enforce petty grudges. They just aren't as remembered. The Mandalore who ruled for a short period after The Ultimate's demise was a rather useless man who used HK-47 to do his dirty work.

Eh, I can imagine that some of the Mandalores would have taken the title to enforce petty grudges. They just aren't as remembered. The Mandalore who ruled for a short period after The Ultimate's demise was a rather useless man who used HK-47 to do his dirty work.

One who respects the laws and customs of the culture, and practices them. Maul does none of this. He goes from an attack dog being used by Viszla to a prisoner when his usefulness runs out. The Death Watch knew they were using him to their own ends, and took proper action when they had no more need for his prowess. But as soon as he breaks out of prison, he challenges Pre to a duel and wins, and suddenly the Death Watch forget all about how they manipulated Maul, and end up being manipulated by him instead.

It just makes the Death Watch look stupid. Sure, they might be sometimes, but they wouldn't have posed major threats to the Kalevalans and the other clans without their cunning and treachery.

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But the whole point of Death Watch is that they're ruthless and they care more about combat–and killing–than they do about the Resol'nare, and they respect strength above anything, even adherence to culture. It's why Maul didn't use the Force; he was showing them that he was stronger than Vizsla, and this is what made them follow him. Bo-Katan and the Nite Owls were more True Mandalorian than Death Watch–more brutal in their previous appearance in Season 4, yes, but they were definitely depicted as the "True Mandalorians" in TCW–which is why Bo-Katan cared more about having a Mandalorian leader than a strong one, and her followers agreed; meanwhile, the other Death Watch members cared only about strength and violence; they saw a good fight and the other guy won, so they followed him instead. They can definitely pose a threat to the Kalevalans; stupidity doesn't make them weak. They're still brutal and strong fighters. Just not honorable or, in many cases, terribly intelligent.

Revan didn't become Mandalore after killing The Ultimate, why should Maul?

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Consider the circumstances. The only people who recognize Maul as Mand'alor are the Death Watch. No one else even knows he exists. And Death Watch...they're radicals. In their quest to "fix" Mandalore, it's not hard to imagine that they'd lose sight of the basic principles they're supposed to be fighting for if it ultimately led them to their larger but more nebulous goal. Bo-Katan remembers, though—the title of Mand'alor is for a Mandalorian alone to hold—and it's their refusal to break with the culture's tradition that spawns the conflict between Maul's forces and her own.

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But what counts as a mandalorian?

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According to the Wook, in order to be a true Mandalorian you had to adhere to the Resol'nare, the six tenets of Mandalorian culture.

The Resol'nare, or Six Actions when translated from Mando'a into Galactic Basic Standard, were the central tenets of Mandalorian life. They consisted of wearing armor, speaking the language, defending yourself and your family, raising your children as Mandalorians, contributing to the clan's welfare, and when called upon by the Mand'alor, rallying to his cause.

Anyone who wished to be considered Mandalorian had to abide by these guidelines and live these actions daily. Mandalorians whom did not follow the Resol'nare were considered to be dar'manda—someone who was ignorant of their Mandalorian heritage. The status of dar'manda was widely feared within Mandalorian society due to the belief it meant they were soulless and had no place in the Manda, the Mandalorian afterlife

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Also, according to Kal Skirata, you couldn't be in the Death Watch,either.

Do you really think he didn't use the Force though? Not even to aid his speed, his reaction time, his awareness of where Vizsla was and what he was doing?

Outwardly he didn't use a Force push or the like but there is no way he didn't use the Force in some way. For the other Mandalorians not toe realize this is a little silly.

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I had considered that. It is possible that he did strengthen himself, enhance his speed, and so on with the Force. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to duck those two razor disks that Pre fired at him, most likely.

Do we know how long the True Mandolorians and Death Watch fractions have existed? And how long they have existed in their pre-clone war form?

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The New Mandalorians have been around for approximately 700 years. Elements of Death Watch like dissenters have existed for nearly as long as the New Mandalorians have been around, in opposition to their new ways, but the actual Death Watch was formed around 60 BBY by Tor Vizsla. The True Mandalorians came into existence around the same time as the Death Watch, formed in response to their enemies unification under the Death Watch banner.

Eh, I can imagine that some of the Mandalores would have taken the title to enforce petty grudges. They just aren't as remembered. The Mandalore who ruled for a short period after The Ultimate's demise was a rather useless man who used HK-47 to do his dirty work.

So, anyone have any funny ideas about what real-life candy bars Mereel bought in that candy store? For example, the "candied bofa fruit" I imagine as chocolate-covered blueberries. The warra nut cookies I imagine as oatmeal cookies or something like that. Or the Igatli cookies that Nyreen baked for Skirata in 501st, I imagined as no-bake cookies, except smaller.

So, anyone have any funny ideas about what real-life candy bars Mereel bought in that candy store? For example, the "candied bofa fruit" I imagine as chocolate-covered blueberries. The warra nut cookies I imagine as oatmeal cookies or something like that. Or the Igatli cookies that Nyreen baked for Skirata in 501st, I imagined as no-bake cookies, except smaller.

Good discussion point Gamiel! I like the old KotOR Mandalorian Crusader armour and how that evolved into the more recognisable armour worn by Shae Vizla a few hundred years later. I'd like to see the armours through the ages.

Do we know how long the True Mandolorians and Death Watch fractions have existed? And how long they have existed in their pre-clone war form?

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The New Mandalorians have been around for approximately 700 years. Elements of Death Watch like dissenters have existed for nearly as long as the New Mandalorians have been around, in opposition to their new ways, but the actual Death Watch was formed around 60 BBY by Tor Vizsla. The True Mandalorians came into existence around the same time as the Death Watch, formed in response to their enemies unification under the Death Watch banner.

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True Mandalorian and Deathwatch factions are relatively new in the grand scheme of Mandalorian history. After the Mandalorian Excision of 738bby, the remaining warrior-based Clans who fled Mandalore or where located around the Galaxy set up a network called "The Faithful". It was this network of Clans who would crown new Mandalores known as "True Mandalores", and the Clans would secretly swear loyalty to these "True Mandalores", while the leader of the New Mandalorians was seen as the "Anti Mandalore". Around 200 years before the Clone Wars, the Faithful began to fracture internally. It started with the Mandalorian's decimation of the Ithullian race, and continued when some of the Faithful adopted the name "True Mandalorians" and began to dictate how Mandalorians should earn their credits. The final straw happened around 30 years before TCW, when Jaster Mareel was chosen as the True Mandalore. This is when Death Watch formed and broke away from the Faithful, with Death Watch being led by the "Secret Mandalore".

Good discussion point Gamiel! I like the old KotOR Mandalorian Crusader armour and how that evolved into the more recognisable armour worn by Shae Vizla a few hundred years later. I'd like to see the armours through the ages.

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The early Taung wore custom-made suits, with war chiefs and clan leaders having sets that were made from reforged ancestral armor and helmets resembling their faces. For the most part, the early Crusader armor was shaped by individualism and clan tradition.

Then we have the Neo Crusaders, who came about when non-Taung were admitted to the clans. This type of armor was more sleek, uniform, and could be adapted to fit a multitude of species. Rank was also denoted by armor color, which is why you can find images of armor colored solid red, blue, gold, and silver but not really combinations of several colors.

After the Neo Crusaders (post-Malachor V), Mandos went back to the pre-Neo Crusader ways of cobbling together suits from ancient/stolen/ancestral armors.

Mandalore the Uniter restarted the mass production of armor, but personal preferences continued to determine the choice of weapons and armor and thus their battle styles, techniques, and strengths. While allowing for the individuality, the Uniter created a new order of shocktroopers more mobile than Neo-Crusaders. This armor was more stripped down and lighter, and the Uniter's armor remains the basis for that worn by modern-day Mandos.

Good discussion point Gamiel! I like the old KotOR Mandalorian Crusader armour and how that evolved into the more recognisable armour worn by Shae Vizla a few hundred years later. I'd like to see the armours through the ages.

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The early Taung wore custom-made suits, with war chiefs and clan leaders having sets that were made from reforged ancestral armor and helmets resembling their faces. For the most part, the early Crusader armor was shaped by individualism and clan tradition.

Then we have the Neo Crusaders, who came about when non-Taung were admitted to the clans. This type of armor was more sleek, uniform, and could be adapted to fit a multitude of species. Rank was also denoted by armor color, which is why you can find images of armor colored solid red, blue, gold, and silver but not really combinations of several colors.

After the Neo Crusaders (post-Malachor V), Mandos went back to the pre-Neo Crusader ways of cobbling together suits from ancient/stolen/ancestral armors.

Mandalore the Uniter restarted the mass production of armor, but personal preferences continued to determine the choice of weapons and armor and thus their battle styles, techniques, and strengths. While allowing for the individuality, the Uniter created a new order of shocktroopers more mobile than Neo-Crusaders. This armor was more stripped down and lighter, and the Uniter's armor remains the basis for that worn by modern-day Mandos.

I was blessed to get a copy sent from Jason Fry. There's a large amount of armor info in there that I helped out with in the collaboration phase, most of which revolves around the individual pieces. Two pieces I am very fond of are the "Bes'lovik" or iron knees, a name which came about as a nickname from Karen Traviss for the metal knee in my left leg. The other piece is the Ka'rta Beskar or "iron heart" chest diamond. I have an old tradition of saving the chest diamond for last when I craft a set of Mando armor for someone, because I've always felt it is the symbol for the indomitable iron heart of the Mandalorian.

You'll also find the names of ALL pieces of modern mando armor, which means we now have a complete accounting of armor where Karen was never able to finish that. This came about because Jason wanted to envision the armor similar to Knight's armor during the renaissance. I sat down and poured over Karen Traviss' mando dictionary and came up with a naming scheme for each piece, Jason then wanted to divide them right/left-beskad/kal-sword/knife.

It worked out well because we were able to finally complete the armor list Karen had started.