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Feb 12, 2010 at 10:58 AMAnonymous Says:

this is esp a problem in bp and flatbush where "frum" homeowners are so lazy and inconsiderate, i nearly slip and fall outside their houses every time it snows. same for the businesses. clean up the mess or risk a lawsuit! i wish bloomy's agents would issue tickets for this instead of other nonsense.

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Feb 12, 2010 at 11:02 AMYossi Says:

I just came back 2 weeks ago from Manchester ,England after they had a snow storm of 8-12 inches which didnt happen for the last 26 years. Driving home from airport i observed that NO house has their sidewalk shoveled and cleared of ice.(this is one week after storm). Driver explained to me that in England there is a law that if YOU shovel and someone slips on a patch of ice they can SUE you because u did NOT shovel properly but if you DO NOT shovel you CAN NOT be sued because its an act of g-d...I couldnt walk at all on the streets and i was told that numerous heimishe yidden in Salford area suffered broken arms,legs,and major surgeries. Now maybe you cant be sued but what about Veusisu makgeh legagechu and LOY samoyd al dan chaveirechu.? Please if anyone can pasken this i want to know.I also did a google search and was surprised that the same law is valid for USA except that here you can get a fine from sanitation but cant be liable if you left the snow untouched....

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Feb 12, 2010 at 11:21 AMAnonymous Says:

We will be buried till April!! We live on a small and narrow street. The plow never comes through. We have to hope that people clear their walks. Otherwise, we are buried till spring. My kid is 18 and it has been that way since he was a baby. The city never changes anything. Flatbush is Flatbush. You can call. It is just a waste of breath!!

Feb 12, 2010 at 11:46 AMAnonymous Says:

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Feb 12, 2010 at 11:53 AMAnonymous Says:

Does the City ever ticket for this? Considering this is a much greater danger to life and limb than most parking violations, it seems that this should be a very high priority for the City. There are so many people in Queens who simply never clear their sidewalk, and the snow is quickly crushed to ice. Many stores also fail to do this, and there is one entrance to a parking lot that is never shoveled, with pedestrians having to cross about 20' of very slippery ice that covers the sidewalk.

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Feb 12, 2010 at 12:49 PMAnonymous Says:

Sometimes it's safer to leave the snow alone. The supers in my neighborhood (in Manhattan) don't really shovel - they just sort of move the snow out of the way leaving a thin layer of ice on the sidewalk. Then they drop a couple of handfuls of chemicals on the ice & pretend that their work is done.

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Feb 12, 2010 at 12:56 PMno tickets please Says:

I'm amazed that everyone is so quick to ask for someone else to get tickets.

I do shovel my sidewalk when it snows, but its not always possible to do it right away, if I couldn't do it one day for whatever reason, I would not be happy to get a ticket, before I even had a chance to shovel

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Feb 12, 2010 at 01:51 PMslippin' & slidin' Says:

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I just came back 2 weeks ago from Manchester ,England after they had a snow storm of 8-12 inches which didnt happen for the last 26 years. Driving home from airport i observed that NO house has their sidewalk shoveled and cleared of ice.(this is one week after storm). Driver explained to me that in England there is a law that if YOU shovel and someone slips on a patch of ice they can SUE you because u did NOT shovel properly but if you DO NOT shovel you CAN NOT be sued because its an act of g-d...I couldnt walk at all on the streets and i was told that numerous heimishe yidden in Salford area suffered broken arms,legs,and major surgeries. Now maybe you cant be sued but what about Veusisu makgeh legagechu and LOY samoyd al dan chaveirechu.? Please if anyone can pasken this i want to know.I also did a google search and was surprised that the same law is valid for USA except that here you can get a fine from sanitation but cant be liable if you left the snow untouched.... ”

What you said here is absolutely correct. My daughter's nephew in Manchester fell & broke his shoulder outside somebody's unshoveled walk. His mother told me the exact same story about liability. As I'm not a Rav I can't pasken, but it seems to be a good shailoh. BTW, I remember that storm in Manchester 26 years ago. It was gevaldik! You have to remember, though, that there is only 1 snow plough for almost half the country & even 1" causes the UK to shut down.

As for Frum people here not shoveling: that's also true! I agree with #2.

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Feb 13, 2010 at 11:25 AMtema Says:

How about those folks who give the little ones the shovels and stay inside while the kids try to make a 6 inch (the width of the shovel) path thinking that is enough for an adult to deal with. That is just as wrong as not shoveling at all and they deserve a ticket too.

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Feb 13, 2010 at 09:49 PMAnonymous Says:

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People who don't shovel deserve a ticket. Watch the elderly struggle as they walk down the street. If they break something, chalila, it can kill them.

Those who cannnot shovel or are away, should hire someone to do it for them. There is ZERO excuse! ”

I agree with you 100%. Even if someone is unable to shovel, EVERYONE can spread some salt to make the ice/snow melt. There is no excuse! I wish they would give tickets to all of the homeowners who lack the mentchlichkeit to make sure no one slips on their sidewalk.

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Feb 13, 2010 at 11:38 PMMotti Says:

It is especially disappointing when frum people don't take care of this matter.The same people who are mehdahkdik about cholov yisrael, peyos and shtreimels, buying the best lulavs and esrogs but when it comes to menshlikhkeit all of a sudden the same frumahkers are maykil and modern..

These same hihmishe menshen should also put salt crystals down on the sidewalk. Young Israel Beth-El in Boro Park---a shul---failed to put salt on the stairs leading into the main sanctuary two years ago. One person slipped down the stairs because of that negligence, Luckily, he was not hurt. When I pointed this out to a few bystanders, their immediate reaction was to deny the whole episode. "It never happened." Well, it did happen. People are becoming more careful. But you still have to watch out for ice. Not everyone salts the sidewalk.

Those who do are entitled to a mitvah reward. It is really a "Khesed". Especially for ehltere menshen vus kenen nisht git vawkn.

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Feb 14, 2010 at 11:49 AMmench Says:

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since alternte side parking is suspendend when there's snow and traffic police have much less work to do, it whoud be a great idea to have them handing out fines to those who don't shovel the snow. ”

i think it whould be better to have the traffic police to shovel the snow for those who don't, and then send the homeowner a bill for whatever they charge.

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Feb 14, 2010 at 08:44 PMAnonymous Says:

Some businessowners were unable to get to their properties before 11:00 A.M. since they live out of the borough and had to get their own homes shoveled out first. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances too. If a snowstorm ends at 11:00 p.m., there has to be an additional allowance of time. People were not going out in the middle of the night to shovel out.