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Another thing this play-offs brings to light for me is how our coaches are really the problem.......Kaepernick has what a whole 10 starts in his career?.....But he leads the 49ers to the Super Bowl while playing the most important position on the field......I know Kaepernick isn't a rookie but its frustrating at times when it takes some of our young players forever to really see the field.......

So I give the man props and I need to "take the black and gold blinders off?" I gave the man his props. He's played damn well in the playoffs but it takes more that one playoff run to be considered an elite QB. People throw that term around way too loosely.

He's won at least 1 playoff game, every year of his career
He's been to 3 AFC Championship games in 5 years
He's going to the Super Bowl
He's outplayed Brady twice in the AFC Championship game.

His last 3 post season runs, he's thrown 15 TDs to 2 INTs with a 90, 96, and 120 passer rating

If winning a super bowl is what it takes to be labeled "elite", then obviously he hasn't earned the label. But under any other measure, the guy has earned to have his name mentioned with the best.

I always find it ironic that we Steelers fans complain that Ben doesn't get his due respect... but in turn, we do the same thing to all the other QBs. But I do agree, that people throw the "elite" label around too loosely. It's not a label you get, and immediately get to retain for your entire career. It comes up for renewal every few years. :wink:

He's won at least 1 playoff game, every year of his career
He's been to 3 AFC Championship games in 5 years
He's going to the Super Bowl
He's outplayed Brady twice in the AFC Championship game.

His last 3 post season runs, he's thrown 15 TDs to 2 INTs with a 90, 96, and 120 passer rating

If winning a super bowl is what it takes to be labeled "elite", then obviously he hasn't earned the label. But under any other measure, the guy has earned to have his name mentioned with the best.

I always find it ironic that we Steelers fans complain that Ben doesn't get his due respect... but in turn, we do the same thing to all the other QBs. But I do agree, that people throw the "elite" label around too loosely. It's not a label you get, and immediately get to retain for your entire career. It comes up for renewal every few years. :wink:

You're a big fan of the QBR....Joe Flacco had two of the worst QBR ratings this year.......Now you're championing Flacco on his impressive post-season run.......If Flacco wins the Super Bowl then I will never say another bad thing about him......I'm also impressed with him this post-season....He isn't turning the ball over at key times like he use to....Game killing INT's or fumbles......

You're a big fan of the QBR....Joe Flacco had two of the worst QBR ratings this year.......Now you're championing Flacco on his impressive post-season run.......If Flacco wins the Super Bowl then I will never say another bad thing about him......I'm also impressed with him this post-season....He isn't turning the ball over at key times like he use to....Game killing INT's or fumbles......

So did Ben... when the season was on the line (Cinci).

I'm simply acknowledging that the Ravens are in the Super Bowl because of Flacco (and probably should've been in the Super Bowl last year, because of him) and that super bowl or no super bowl, he's been one of the better post season QBs over the last 3 years. and that counts for something, it counts at least as much as relying on **** that happened 5 and 8 years ago ( in terms of Ben's elite status).

I hate the Ravens (I'll be rooting hard for the 49ers). But I don't allow that to require me to be stupid about NFL talent