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View Poll Results: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery?

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by Hatuey

As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

In comparing migrations to the U.S. one has to keep in mind that they were not all the same even though they looked like it on the surface. The migration of African slaves into the Americas was unique in that it was the only one where the immigrants were not accommodated within the American mainstream within 100 years. Today you would not be able to tell that there was ever anti-immigrant posters in Manhattan during the 1910s and 20s. You wouldn't even be able to tell that there was ever even any real discrimination against Italians. Less than 50 years after the mass migrations of the early 20th century Italians were able to own businesses, buy houses in affluent neighbors and amass wealth.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

That is not to say Italians, Polish and the Irish were not discriminated against. It would be foolish to make such a claim. What is being asserted is that the discrimination was entirely different and less extreme. This has been attributed to the fact that most of these groups migrated through the East Coast. In contrast, most Africans in America had been sent to the South. Southern resentment over losing the Civil War was expressed in the many Southern laws barring blacks from owning businesses. It was expressed in the segregation of schools. The South however was not alone in this discrimination as even in the early 20th century blacks had yet to make a real mark in Northern politics or academia.

The point I'm trying to make is that though it may seem to some that 'discrimination of blacks' and 'discrimination of Italians' might sound the same, the historical evidence proves that they are not. It's not that one was discrimination and the other was not. It's that they were different kinds of discrimination. Whereas most European groups had been absorbed by the American mainstream less than 50 years after their arrival, blacks endured a systematic discrimination that lasted well into the second half of the 20th century.

Ok, so how many Italian presidents have we had?

Maybe I should have included Jews as well, Americans didn't enslave Jews are you going to tell me we don't still see discrimation against the Jewish community? And you still didn't answer the question regarding your own "repression". How have you recently been forceably "held back" through legal means and can you attribute it directly to slavery?

Before you answer, please keep in mind that slavery legally ended 145 years ago in this country and even at its height, less than 1% of Americans owned slaves (only 10% of those living in the former Confederate states). I'm trying to stick to the OP here man, you should do the same.

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker

I would compare it to the continual distancing and maltreatment of the Jews in Europe for the last several centuries.

I wouldn't. Jews in Europe did not lead a continual cycle of repression. European attitudes of Jews from the 19th to the 20th century were dependent on the state of the economy. Before that they had been dependent on the latest plague or hard times of Christians. Jews in Europe were likely to prosper economically and socially as long as nothing went really wrong. In America discrimination of blacks was simply a way of life. Originally there were no real racist beliefs behind white supremacy in America. How could slaves be blamed for the hard lives of white Americans if they possessed no political capital whatsoever? As blacks were granted citizenship they could now be blamed for bad crops, social problems, economic hard times etc.

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

Ok, so how many Italian presidents have we had?

What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about the socioeconomic effects of 400 years of discrimination on an entire group of people and you're talking about a group of people who were absorbed into American 'whiteness' within 50 years of their arrival. The reason we haven't had an Italian president is because well, none that is viable to the voting base has ever postulated himself. Can you name a single presidential candidate of Italian origins within the last 10 years other than Giuliani? I really can't. Asking why we haven't had an Italian president is about as relevant to this discussion as asking why we haven't had a Jewish president. We're talking about whether slavery has had after effects. The reality is that it has and this has been covered extensively in academia.

Maybe I should have included Jews as well, Americans didn't enslave Jews are you going to tell me we don't still see discrimation against the Jewish community? And you still didn't answer the question regarding your own "repression". How have you recently been forceably "held back" through legal means and can you attribute it directly to slavery?

Before you answer, please keep in mind that slavery legally ended 145 years ago in this country and even at its height, less than 1% of Americans owned slaves (only 10% of those living in the former Confederate states). I'm trying to stick to the OP here man, you should do the same.

What you wrote isn't even remotely coherent. Did you read my post? At all? Please try it?

Last edited by Hatuey; 11-25-10 at 01:58 AM.

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by TheHippie

Doesn't matter, racism is racism and repression is repression.
Now go on this
-situation- An African American goes and eats KFC as often as a white person does. But theres a sterotype that Black people like Chicken. so the white man makes a racial remark.- what do you think?

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by Hatuey

As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

In comparing migrations to the U.S. one has to keep in mind that they were not all the same even though they looked like it on the surface. The migration of African slaves into the Americas was unique in that it was the only one where the immigrants were not accommodated within the American mainstream within 100 years. Today you would not be able to tell that there was ever anti-immigrant posters in Manhattan during the 1910s and 20s. You wouldn't even be able to tell that there was ever even any real discrimination against Italians. Less than 50 years after the mass migrations of the early 20th century Italians were able to own businesses, buy houses in affluent neighbors and amass wealth.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

That is not to say Italians, Polish and the Irish were not discriminated against. It would be foolish to make such a claim. What is being asserted is that the discrimination was entirely different and less extreme. This has been attributed to the fact that most of these groups migrated through the East Coast. In contrast, most Africans in America had been sent to the South. Southern resentment over losing the Civil War was expressed in the many Southern laws barring blacks from owning businesses. It was expressed in the segregation of schools. The South however was not alone in this discrimination as even in the early 20th century blacks had yet to make a real mark in Northern politics or academia.

The point I'm trying to make is that though it may seem to some that 'discrimination of blacks' and 'discrimination of Italians' might sound the same, the historical evidence proves that they are not. It's not that one was discrimination and the other was not. It's that they were different kinds of discrimination. Whereas most European groups had been absorbed by the American mainstream less than 50 years after their arrival, blacks endured a systematic discrimination that lasted well into the second half of the 20th century.

Good post. I actually agree.

What I am tired of is blacks blaming other for their failures. I am not saying all blacks do this, we don't. It's just that it seems the squeaky wheel is getting the oil.

Successful blacks who are hard working and have made a good life for themselves are overshadowed by the negative role models in black society. Young black men think it is cool to be a gang banger etc. They see G's making tons of money really easy and want to emulate that rather then someone like Colen Powell or President Obama who actually had to work hard.

I guess I am sick and fed up with the "white man is holding me down mantra." I see it far to often.

Originally Posted by Moot

Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.

Originally Posted by Absentglare

You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

Re: Do You Understand Repression & After Effects of Slavery

Originally Posted by Hatuey

As far as the question goes. Yes, I am fully aware of not only repression but the after effects of slavery.

Eugenics was not born out of a need to create a better white race, it was born out of a need for white supremacists to define 'whiteness' itself. As physiological explanations for race lost out to theories of racially defined intelligence, the definition of 'white' began to expand to the Polish, Irish, Italians etc. However even before the definition itself expanded, the migrations of 'non-white' European immigrants were relatively similar to each other. None of them possessed the characteristics of the forced African migration to America.

Did you know this?

How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger