Government Overthrow

you seem more concerned about getting laughs at my expense rather than justifying the threads intent on overthrowing your government.

you are a fool if you think a minority group of conspiracy geeks are going to get enough momentum to overthrow the leadership.
i try to stress to your type that the only way to make a difference is too get into politics and change it from the inside.

I understand today is way different, but I also feel something needs to be done... I was saying that before Obama came about. This country is being
dumbed down considerably, very quickly... They are being wooed by this charlatan who is trying to turn the country away from everything this country
was started on... he says he doesn't, but he's trying to make this a socialist nation...

Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin are probably turning in their graves.

We will have elections, and things like the Federal Reserve will
be abolished, and we will try to get back to the constitution I hope.

We tried all the standard fair and we were lied to at every turn.

to overthrow the government you'll have to go the fo-fo (police) the CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, the military, private security and a whole host of other gun
wielding powerhouses.

A lot of the ppl who work for the government are as disgusted
with it as the common citizen, and they know that we outnumber
them by quite a bit. A lot of upset ppl are former police, and
military like myself however I am not getting in the middle of this.

I plan to bugout for the wilderness once the shooting starts and
live off the land like I have been preparing to do.

not too menthion in a violent coup you'll be attacking your own people. you will destroy your own nation. lets say all that done. who is going to
take control of your 50,000,000 people.

50 million ??? Did you even bother to look ???

It is over 300 million, and a lot of us are well armed.

The bloodiest war for the US was the Civil War, and so it shall be
for Civil War 2 and its possible that outside countries will take
advantage of the situation too, making it much worse.

I fully expect them to call in UN troops to help the thieves that
instigated this giant ponzi scheme.

you ever played fallout 3?

Fallout 3 is a game, it is not real, and I think some things will be better
and some even worse than that game.

it is the government that allows you to live and breath freely and for
some reason start threads like this. fools.

The government is something that is created by its ppl to SERVE
its ppl not the other way around. We breath free because we
fight for what we believe in, and serve our country.

Government is just a tool of the ppl, by the ppl, for the ppl.

Insulting those who believe in the declaration of independence just puts
you on the same level as the ppl that were fought over 200 years ago.

I am sitting this one out, but I understand the reasons some ppl have
being upset at this situation as they are destroying the country and
ignoring the constitution.

This was all done be design, it was no accident, it was planned.

They have spoken of it in public, and they have written of it in books,
and they will reap the whirlwind.

They think they will be safe deep underground in their little bunkers,
that will not be the case.

Me I will be in the middle of no where, but I got a fairly good idea
how this will all go down and it is not pretty.

Their "Georgia Guidestones" dream will run into problems.

Alot of former military are armed to the teeth and have been preparing
for MANY years.

Capitalism
Capitalism is an economic system in which wealth, and the means of producing wealth, are privately owned and controlled rather than commonly,
publicly, or state-owned and controlled.[1][2] Through capitalism, the land, labor, and capital are owned, operated, and traded by private individuals
either singly or jointly,[

Socialism
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of
production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of
compensation.

so now we can see the differences between the capitalism and socialist democracies.
when individual privately own companies gain vast amounts of money and power such as the car industry the nation and largely government come to depend
on the financial influence of these companies. these private owners (greedy bastards) tend to do things that don't benefit society like borrowing
themselves under to finance excessive production.
they then rely on the government to bail them out with massive injections of tax payer funds. this is capitalism at its failing point. too few
people with too much money.

socialist ideology is when the government has tendership on everything in the country and wealth is even distibuted. after years of blind robbery by
capitalist leadership with private agenda the money needs to go back to the people so they can pay off their debt and financial stability can return
to the economy for another 20 years or so.
all democratic ideologies have failing points. obviously in history we have seen socialist regimes turn into communist regimes. too much people
with too little money

before someone gets too much power in socialism, the capitalist directive needs to be re-established to re-distribute ownership to the people to
create another national growth spurt.
too many people do not understand political and financial balance and are all to ready to go boiko
democracy is a man made system. man has never made anything perfect so you need to expect flaws in your leadership.
the system works there just needs to be a balanced.
put your guns away they are just an extension of your inadequecy.

You dont know me, so to say "your type" is pretty arrogant and presumtuious. My only point is, you seem more intent on discouraging action than on
giving constructive input. Any action is better than apathy. There is nothing more pathetic than apathy, and few things more dangerous.

The government here gets overthrown every few years, it's called an election.

We just had one, it overthrew the people who'd been running the country for the last eight... some people don't like the results and think it's
time to start talking about killing their neighbors who voted for the new guy.

Great.

With all the hyperbole these days you'd think we were suddenly living under Stalin

If the government got bad enough, sure it would be right to overthrow it by force.

But people who think this government (even under George "the Constitution is just a piece of paper" Bush) is anything close to the kind of regime
that needs to be overthrown by force have no idea what real repression is.

You dont know me, so to say "your type" is pretty arrogant and presumtuious. My only point is, you seem more intent on discouraging action than on
giving constructive input. Any action is better than apathy. There is nothing more pathetic than apathy, and few things more dangerous.

your right i don't kow you, but with little levarage to justify a government take over and yet the continued attack. you fall into the catagory of
your type.
my intention is to discourage. discourage people from destroying something and spreading the fear of change. my constructive input was that the
changes in your political world need to be made from inside the system. ie. get into politics.
and no action is not always better than apathy. take a look at what isreal did to gaza last month. it is complete garble.

Originally posted by secretthug
With everything that is going on in the World is it time to overthrow the government or to sit back and let it go?

Let me give you an alternate answer........I devoted my life for this country as part of its military, its goverment and its civil service.
My past is rooted in it and so is my future, i live and die with and in my nation. You talk about my country and seek to overthrow it then you have a
civilian enemy, all those of us who have participated in the creation and maintenance of this giant engine that drives the world. We have bought into
the idea of freedom, safety for ourselves and a future for our children. If you don't like the way things are going then there are policies already
in place to resolve these issues. Malfeasance in office, dishonesty and treason are sufficient cause for individuals to be removed from office...but
you have to prove your case. Treason is a word you need to look up,
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering
to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be
convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the Founding Fathers (yeah, they were great, in their own time, under the circumstances when the USA
was founded) but I mean, 1776 was over 230 years ago!
Times change, the world changes, and none of us were alive back then, we don't even know if it was as great as we think it was.
You know, people tend to over-idolize the past.

In 1776 the 13 colonies of America took on the British army who had the help of Hessian troops which equated to a much larger and better trained Army
then that lead by General George Washington! The militia overcame their lack of training, equipment and many other problems and defeated the mighty
British.

One of the major Downfalls of the British was their arrogance, they under estimated the Americans and it was their down fall and the Brits where
humbled!

Military Victory is not achieved through numbers or equipment History shows us this. So don't discount that it could be done if needed.

as for me my suggestion is simple Reboot the damn constitution, they got it right the first time it was not until the government started to Interpret
what our founding fathers meant that the trouble began their Intent is clear right there the paper!

As for who would lead a new government there are good people with honor and integrity in this country that could do the job our founding fathers
managed to find one in 13 colonies I am sure we could from 50 states and not have to out source the job to Kenya either!

I don't advocate a Violent revolution but with each passing day I see it as a possibility the longer that we sit around and do nothing to achieve our
goals peacefully the closer that gets to a reality!

you make me laugh we did not overthrow the government through an Election we got rid of a small portion the bush administration the majority of the
senate and congress are the same old Rats, that is where the majority of the corruption lies they have no term limits these are Carer Politicians that
rarely ever return to the privet sector. The problem has never been the president!

As for who would lead a new government there are good people with honor and integrity in this country that could do the job our founding fathers
managed to find one in 13 colonies I am sure we could from 50 states and not have to out source the job to Kenya either

i'm sure you would find someone with intergrity and honor. but with power comes corruption and you'll end up with the same problem. if not,
worse.
it is rediculous of you to smear obama cos his parents are kenyan. i'm sure that the majority of your nations people arrived on american soilin the
last 100 years. then again in the last 230 years. only native americans could claim true ownership of the dirt.

Had the government been held to the boundaries in the constitution and had not gained so much power corruption would not be an issue, Washington
didn't even want to be president of the united states He nor the founding fathers of this country foresaw a future where Politicians would make a
career out of Politics. These guys are supposed to go back to privet sector at some point.

A major problem that has occurred in this country is the fact that at our founding fathers time the states had power, this is what caused our civil
war states rights, the federal government telling others how to live.

If more of the governing resposibilties where given to the states perhaps the federal government could focus on such things as,..

Originally posted by xmotex
The government here gets overthrown every few years, it's called an election.

We just had one, it overthrew the people who'd been running the country for the last eight... some people don't like the results and think it's
time to start talking about killing their neighbors who voted for the new guy.

Great.

fair enough...

however look at what senator rockefeller is attempting to do with the internet. ironically, he was just reelected in his state.

do you think he thought about the timing of this all?

i do. had he done then what he is attempting to do now, he would undoubtedly not been reelected.

you are fools. because you don't like somethings about your leadership or don't approve of some actions they take you'll overthrow the
government/
it is the government that allows you to live and breath freely and for some reason start threads like this.
fools.

We have criminals running our government, plain and simple. They been caught killing and maiming our people in many different small events. Now they
have been outed as the perps of 9/11. On 9/11 they became mass-murderers, easily the historical equil of Stalin or Hitler.

Eventually, we will throw off this cancer that has infested our government. The questions are: How many people will die in the process? When will
the process start? What will be the trigger?

I would give damn near anything to read an accurate, dispassionate "history" book -- one hundred years from now.....

Originally posted by spearhead
I would give damn near anything to read an accurate, dispassionate "history" book -- one hundred years from now.....

i think of this often. how history will portray many of these immoral and corrupt people. my feeling is this...

i doubt they will be around. their memory will be in shame.

hopefully, true justice will return and many of these people will be tried for war crimes. we are in a spiritual war as well. something to keep in
mind in light of the fact that i believe we are in the tribulation period.

I agree with you.
How would someone start a petition for impeachment?
Can it be started on the Internet?
I think this would be the correct way and a peaceful way to change
these policys that have been forced on the United States citizens.

You talk about my country and seek to overthrow it then you have a civilian enemy, all those of us who have participated in the creation and
maintenance of this giant engine that drives the world.

No one is talking about overthrowing the country; it's a discussion about overthrowing the Government, between which there is a pretty significant
difference. I love my country; I have no obligation to love the System which currently governs it.

I quote the Declaration of Independence, insofar as the Right to Revolution is concerned:

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever
any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
safety and happiness.

It's easy to slap certain individuals with the label of "civilian enemy" or "domestic terrorist", or so forth. But let me ask you this: Do you
serve the People of this country, or the Government? With whom does you allegience lie?

Treason is a word you need to look up,
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering
to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be
convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court

I've always found it at least partially humorous that it's a capital crime to commit treason against the United States, when treason is precisely
what it was founded from to begin with. While I do understand the Government's need to perpetuate itself, it's a little hypocritical, to say the
least.

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