Weagle Tweeting About Pivot Prototype

Looks like Dave Weagle just received a new Pivot prototype to play with. He can't tell us anything about it...but it's good to know something is in the pipeline. Wonder how far it is in the development process.

From DW himself:

"This is always a good start to the day, a new prototype from @pivotcycles is on my doorstep!! Twitpic"

A followup:
"OK, the @pivotcycles prototype that I unboxed the other day, seriously one of the coolest looking bikes to ever pass through."

And a third:
"Hrm.. @MDupelle Something awesome that I can't talk about... But it rides amazingly and looks crazy good! Stoked on it!"

Please continue with your best guess. The winner gets a handshake and a pat on the back!

Well, for Weagle to be stoked about it, makes me think AM/DH oriented, but folks change the focus of their riding all the time. He seemed super-stoked about the 429c too. Although I'd like to see a Mach4c, I think the 429c and the Les are meant as the current stab at the XC end of the spectrum. I could see a 650b variant of the 5.7c, but maybe with even a touch burlier focus, like a 6.2c. I think that might infringe too much on the 5.7c though, which is really good at what it does. So I'm going to go with a carbon Firebird. Ah better yet, I'll go with a 650b carbon firebird. Name might be different, but something that obviously fits that niche.

Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

Well, for Weagle to be stoked about it, makes me think AM/DH oriented, but folks change the focus of their riding all the time. He seemed super-stoked about the 429c too. Although I'd like to see a Mach4c, I think the 429c and the Les are meant as the current stab at the XC end of the spectrum. I could see a 650b variant of the 5.7c, but maybe with even a touch burlier focus, like a 6.2c. I think that might infringe too much on the 5.7c though, which is really good at what it does. So I'm going to go with a carbon Firebird. Ah better yet, I'll go with a 650b carbon firebird. Name might be different, but something that obviously fits that niche.

Agreed. 5.7C is too new (will need another couple of years to pay for R&D, moulds, marketing, production, marketing, etc.) and covers a lot of segment. No need to cut into those sales Doubt that a carbon Firebird is coming, but agree that something like a 160 mm Carbon 27.5 for the AM/Enduro market that replaces the Firebird absolutely makes the most sense.

Agreed. 5.7C is too new (will need another couple of years to pay for R&D, moulds, marketing, production, marketing, etc.) and covers a lot of segment. No need to cut into those sales Doubt that a carbon Firebird is coming, but agree that something like a 160 mm Carbon 27.5 for the AM/Enduro market that replaces the Firebird absolutely makes the most sense.

650B market is hot right now so yes I think 650B something?

You're probably right about the Mach 5.7 but I hope not. Perfect all around bike for so many things and I lust for one but only if it's 650B with 150mm or less travel. To many other good 650 choices now for me to go back to a 26" bike now matter how much I like the current 5.7.

Seems unlikely to me to hit the gate running with carbon so I'll guess it's aluminum with 160mm travel. Now DW did say "one of the coolest looking bikes to ever pass through" so yeah maybe carbon.

so 160mm 650b F'bird or the Mach 6.650, if Weagle is stoked I am going with carbon over AL.

BTW I rode the 5.7C at bootleg, its the perfect trail bike...BUT..the 32 fork is ridicules on such a capable frame...Hello CC and Pivot please make your next 650B trailbikes at least with a option for a 34 150/160mm.

so 160mm 650b F'bird or the Mach 6.650, if Weagle is stoked I am going with carbon over AL.

BTW I rode the 5.7C at bootleg, its the perfect trail bike...BUT..the 32 fork is ridicules on such a capable frame...Hello CC and Pivot please make your next 650B trailbikes at least with a option for a 34 150/160mm.

I have a Talas 34 160mm on my 5.7C and it is fantastic. That said, all AM/Enduro oriented 650b bikes that I'm aware of (Scott, Norco, Intense, Rocky Mountain) are getting the 34's. So, considering that Pivot is now cool with 34's on the 5.7's, I'd be pretty shocked if they produced a 650b AM rig with anything less than a 34 (Fox or XFusion).

I think it would be a HUGE mistake to get into the 27.5 market with an aluminum frame. The Pivot guys are smart enough to know the need to bring a carbon version to the table with Intense, RM and Scott's rigs out there. I've been wanting a 27.5 carbon version of the Firebird or M5.7, but just couldn't wait any longer... I'm sure when they get into the 27.5 market or make a carbon Firebird, it will be SWEEEEEEET.

I would like to see the Mach 4 reborn as a 27.5 carbon race machine for those who prefer the faster handling of a smaller wheel, c'mon it worked for Nino Schurter. I'm not saying that's what the prototype is, after all, the obvious choice is a full-sus carbon fat bike, but if they make something like a Mach 527c I'd race the hell out of it.

Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

I think the market will go with 27.5. We already have 26" and 29", why throw the metric system in there? Just to confuse new buyers? Some companies might stick with 650b naming, but I know Maxxis and Scott will be using 27.5 as will others. I mean, we know they're the same, but I could see someone getting a 650b bike and looking for tires and being like "man, all they have is 26, 27.5 and 29'er tires, no 650b, this sucks..."

Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

I think the market will go with 27.5. We already have 26" and 29", why throw the metric system in there? Just to confuse new buyers? Some companies might stick with 650b naming, but I know Maxxis and Scott will be using 27.5 as will others. I mean, we know they're the same, but I could see someone getting a 650b bike and looking for tires and being like "man, all they have is 26, 27.5 and 29'er tires, no 650b, this sucks..."

No arguing here. But, the Mach 4, 5, and 5.7 are all named based on travel. Throw in the 429 and you've got travel + wheel size. So, depending on travel:

Mach X.27?
Mach X.275?

I like the first of those better. But for whatever reason, I like saying "six-fifty." I think it would further distinguish from 429 or 5.7. Or maybe it's another mythological bird? Griffin? Roc / Rukh? Thunderbird?

It has to be a 650B bike, I think that is a given. I would like to think it is a 650B 5.7c with maybe a slightly longer top tube and higher stack (somewhere in between the 429 and 5.7 geometry). I would like some more hints to salivate over or maybe a detail shot of the new bike where you really cant tell what it is but it would up the speculation.

Weagle just posted another teaser that was noooo help at all. A top down look at a bike box with the frame covered by the build. You can't see much other than a mix of SRAM and Shimano boxes. If it were all SRAM, I'd say this tweet was about a Turner but there's some Shimano in there.

One thing does jump out at me. A 29" tube from Kenda. It looks deliberately placed. Maybe to throw people off the scent. If it is a 29er from Pivot wonder was it is. Maybe slacker 529? I dunno. Speculation continues!

Fun and curious thread... I wouldnt even try to speculate on what is cooking in the engineering lab at Pivot.... but, My crystal ball tells me 650b Firebird w modified angles (less slack) and put on a diet... just seems to me a perfect meld of technical strengths and a nod to the niche that Pivot is creating w cutting edge hybridized AM/XC bikes... Hey Dan, cmon now.. up the ante and instead of a pat on teh back, if a MTBRer nails it, how about a 3 month stint as a beta tester

so you're speculating the 650B that Mr. C has been discussing in various venues would be based on an FB sort of DW and not the Mach sort of DW? i supposed it could be...

if the FB were replaced by a lighter, less slack set up, that'd be kind of sad. i like the FB for it's ability to have a fox 180 for trips to a park, yet it pedal like a trail bike... Knolly, Transition, Yeti and others seem to be introducing or updating their 6+ bikes for similar applications. Kenbentit, i'm kinda hoping you won't let your mates let the FB go all XC on us

Got to ride the Pivot line for the first time thanks to the Pivot Demo truck being here in town today. Super impressed with the way these bikes climb on our rocky, technical trails! Rode the 429c, the Mach 4, and then the 5.7c. Been riding only 29ers for 3 years now, but surprisingly the 5.7 was my fav. My Girlfriend rode the 5.7c, the 4, then the 5.7c again. Can you guess what her new favorite bike is?

At any rate now that I have tasted the sweet flavors of Pivot I feel like I can chime in on what I think the next Pivot will be and what I wish they'd make.

So my GUESS is that DW is currently working on a Mach 529.
Now what I WISH they'd make is a Mach 5 on 27.5" wheels and Fox would release a 27.5" 34mm fork with a travel setting at 130mm. Realistically though, I think when they do make a 650b it will be a Mach 6 (2014?). Just my two cents.

Now what I WISH they'd make is a Mach 5 on 27.5" wheels and Fox would release a 27.5" 34mm fork with a travel setting at 130mm.

+1000 on a Mach 5.275 or whatever they would call it.

34mm X-Fusion Slant will also come in a short travel version with shorter stanchions (to save a bit of weight) with a max travel of 130mm. Internally adjustable to 120 and 100 I'm pretty sure. Pretty dam cool IMO.

They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.

They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.

You guys got it all wrong. Pivot will be first to market with a 6" travel 27.5 fatbike. They'll corner the market for extreme snow-riding!

Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.

While I completely agree with you, the Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc is dominating that market segment. I'll bet Yeti gives us a Carbon SB95 soon too...

A 4" 650b mach4.65 or something. Can it please have a slightly slacker HA than the mach4 and can you squeeze in shorter chainstays, please... and....yes... I'll have mine in carbon thanks

that would be my perfect bike.

I see a bunch of guys asking for this type of bike in the 650B forum fairly often. Ultimately I think it will happen but it seems the hotter market right now is longish travel 29'ers and 140-160mm 650B bikes. I'm guessing the latter. Gotta stoke the fire while it's hot.

Sure hope it's a 650b carbon updated FB. I'd buy it. A lot of riders out there ready to replace their current AM bikes that are insisting on 650b compatibility, CF, and an advanced suspension design ie not faux bar.

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