So we are all supposed to believe that the Rethugs will be too high-minded

to use Obama's admissions about past drug use against him, should he be the nominee?

Even though they attacked Clinton for admitting to marijuana use, and Bush never actually admitted to his own use of cocaine?

Is this why there is such universal condemnation for Shaheen? I didn't see his full comments, but what I saw didn't seem unreasonable. The Rethugs will throw whatever mud they can find. They won't hold back on anything. Remember Willie Horton?

I'm not saying this is a reason to withdraw support for Obama. But we should be prepared for such attacks, because they will come.

Shaheen's smear was on a par with what Bush did to McCain in SC in 2000. It wasn't just mentioning Obama's (admitted) youthful drug experimentation, it was the intimation that Obama was a serious drug abuser and even a dealer. Disgusting. Talk about handing the GOP something to use against him.

24. Okay, thank you. But I'm still not convinced that what he said was inaccurate.

The Rethugs WILL attack Obama in this manner, and it will be something Obama will need to overcome. All candidates have their vulnerabilities, and this will be one of Obama's. There is no question that there will be Rethug dirty tricks and smears -- the question is how the various candidates will handle them.

32. Yeah kinda like how Rove smeared McCain's family life and POW experience

Out of concern that Gore was going to bring those things up in the General. KKKarl was just trying to help John McCain. Just like Clinton campaign is trying to troll...uh...I mean...help Obama right now.

Shaheen went past the line of truth from teenaged drug use to drug dealing, posing it as concern and question, just like a Repuke, just the way the politics of personal destruction is always played. Furthermore, the stereotype of the young drug dealer would never have been applied to anyone else in this primary, because it wouldn't have entered anyone's mind. That's why the furor.

38. I'll tell ya, I'm VERY worried that the GOP will use that Vince Foster rumor against Clinton

You know, the one where she had an affair with him and then she and Bill ordered him killed. Not because I'm saying it's true or anything. I'm just saying that the Repugs are surely going to use that terrible allegation that Hillary murdered Vince Foster. I'm only saying this because I'm so concerned for your candidate and all. We all know how ruthless the GOP is when it comes to using things like rumors that Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster murdered and made it appear to be a suicide. I'm only bringing up an old story like this because we all know the GOP is going to use it so let's get it out in the open now.

Funny, I missed that. Furthermore, you are neglecting to notice that the line of reasoning used by the Clinton/Shaheen defenders is not the validity of the allegations themselves, but that the GOP will use them against the candidate.

The comment everyone is so upset over is that Obama's admission of Drug use hurts his electabilty, because Republicans will attack him on it and bring up all sorts of spurious attacks. Shaheen then listed some of those potential attacks.

Republicans may indeed bring up Vince Foster crapola --but it won't be because of anything that Hillary has done or admitted to doing.

He gave them a club to attack with. By planting a false smear in the media to help Sen. Clinton, he handed the GOP a convenient excuse to bash Obama with the drug use if he wins the Primary. They'll say: "What's wrong with us bringing Obama's drug use up now when other Democrats were doing it back in the Primary races?"

We can't protect Obama by keeping quiet about this issue now. No matter what happens in our primaries, they will feel perfectly free to bring up Obama's drug use, just as they brought up Clinton's marijuana use. They don't need any clubs from us to start their attacks.

The Repukes will attack any Democratic nominee with whatever they've got, only the story will change to suit the candidate. What they don't have they will make up. I don't worry about what Repukes are going to say. I'd never sleep at night. I can draw up a Repuke scenario for every single candidate we've got in no time at all.

It is true Obama, as he has been straight out front about, used drugs in high school just like millions of American kids who have parents who see it for what it is, ordinary life, not something they want their kids to be doing, but ordinary. Republicans, too, rich people, poor people, middle class people, minorities and whites, urban and rural -- they've been alive through the past few decades.

Are the Republicans going to ask if Obama was a drug dealer? Who gives a shit. It is untrue.

Are the Republicans going to claim Hillary is a lesbian who killed Vince Foster? Who the hell cares. It is untrue.

What we should all care about is Democrats publicly raising downright dirty lies about other Democrats, whether or not they couch it in "concern."

Between this and those "innocently" forwarded Muslim emails, I think we can see what kind of campaign Clinton is running. I'm not impressed, and I'm not fooled. Obviously they don't feel she can win on the issues and the strength of her presentation of them so they have to pull this swiftboat crap.

35. Actually Poppy's CIA drugrunning went on for years BEFORE he became VP and how he got

Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:54 PM by blm

his CIA nickname Poppy.

IranContra was an extension of that dealing, and the actual Iran and contra support dealings started before Reagan and Bush took office when Obama would have been in his teens. And so it is all part of the same story - CIA drugrunning as a Poppy Bush operation.

So, the American people will GET the connection if it's presented that way - they know more about IranContra cocaine than the earlier dealings.

Throw it all and demand the books be opened to clear up the little details. heh

Whatever any of the canidates will spin against one another in this primary, it will not change what most people on this site will vote, Democrat. Ever single candiate knows this. They are playing to the 60%. All of us idiots that run around and have no clue what the hell is going on.It may be a case of "If I can't have it, then no one can." but even that is a pathetic and weak case.

So, I hear some say, "How can 'one of our own' do this to 'us'?" My answer: Welcome to the wonderful world of politics where your life is on display and open to speculation.

I hear some mention "Blame it on Iran/Contra!" I have some sad, sad news for you people. Most of us 60%ers have no idea what the hell that was about. The few of us that pay a little more attention MAY say, "Isn't that how Oliver North got his 15 minutes of fame and some books to actually sell?" We have no clue. None.

Do we care if Obama did drugs? No. Not particularly, like it was pointed out in the threads here, most of us have. Do we believe that he was or might have been a drug dealer. Maybe. We still don't care, overall, because most of us have pawned off that crappy dime bag that we got from a "friend" to anyone that would buy it. (Republican comaparison: Like a Junk Bond. I am seeing the lightbulbs going off.)

Do we care that this information came from a "fellow Democrat". No, not particularly. We shrug our shoulders and figure that it was going to come out sooner or later anyway.

So, what damage is actually being done here? The Dems have often times been associated with the legalization of marijuana, so do any of them care if O blew a fatty? Nope. The Dems have often been associated with the concept of rehabilitation and second chances. So, is Obama a drug dealer now? Nope. He has a decent track record of serving the community through public office. I don't think that I am going to catch him down on Rush St in Chicago pushing kilos any time soon. Neither does anyone else in the Democratic Party. Was this a desparate attempt by an outgoing political campaign advisor when he didn't have really good reasons why Hillary was losing position in the polls? Yeah. More than likely. So, when the Republicans bring it up on the campaign trail to the White House, will anyone listen? No. By then it will be ancient history. We, the 60%, will be wanting the next big scandal. We don't care about old news, even with a new spin.

This is the run for the President of the United States. How many careers have been completely ruined just by putting their hat in the ring. I don't even know. There are some out there that do. On both sides, at that. Every candidate is going to do everything they can within the comfort of their ability. Some will play dirtier than others. Was Hillary behind this? I have no idea in the world. Is Obama capable of doing something equally horrendous? I don't know. And truth be told, neither does anyone else that posts on this site. Being a career politician is something into and of itsself. It takes unique people to even get to some of these offices. The power corrupts some people. Others, the power corrupts, eventually. Still others don't last long enough to get corrupted.

So, bicker within your party all you want. All of us 60% already know that each candidate has a 20% vote. Now, what is your candidate going to do for us?

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