Vlad G Pohnert wrote:There have been several other media types mentioned by others. In general the above is what is considered to be confirmed as anime, although other sources in the spirit of anime may be used such as original art or printed material (manga), in general these sources are not really anime themselves for the most part. Some of these grey areas we are still debating and will clarify in the near future. We are also looking at updating the rules on the video upload and catalog entry pages to reflect all the above and provide some examples to clarify it to everyone.

I like the rule that allows exceptions for things that are not anime but in the spirit of anime, mainly because I like manga and fanart and all that jazz, and I think most other anime fans enjoy seeing good AMVs made with them. Being overly literal does more harm than good. The rule should be kept and set in stone, since right now the wording is still wishy washy.

We generally allow M@Ds, so what if someone made a M@D like video using entirely original animation?

I think the distinction of limiting it to people who are ethnically Japanese is probably outdated.

Note, that the difference between "anime" and "animation" is an artificial one of Western creation. In Japan, there is little distinction made between 日本のアニメ and 外国のアニメ, Japanese animation and other countries' animation. The same is true for manga. This made initial conversations awkward when I first arrived, as I have never considered Disney films to be "anime" or Superman to be "manga." The Japanese make no such distinction.

My point is that non-Japanese produce animation and comics that are almost identical to anime and manga, style wise. Avatar and Teen Titans aren't really, but something like the work of Rivkah, who has been published IN JAPAN (but is an American from Austin), obviously blurs the lines...

Kionon, Where are you going with this? Are you saying we should allow everything in, or not bother trying to apply logic and reason to the decision making process because we're hypocrites for not applying it in all cases?

I don't advocate the use of everything. If I had my druthers, I would allow non-Japanese manga-ka and animators where if you didn't know any better, you would assume that the person was a Japanese artist.

I don't advocate the use of everything. If I had my druthers, I would allow non-Japanese manga-ka and animators where if you didn't know any better, you would assume that the person was a Japanese artist.

BasharOfTheAges wrote:uh... we're having polls and directed feedback threads from the staff. That sounds rather democratic to me.

As opposed to "this is what we decided fucking deal with it" - which isn't. (In many cases I agree with this method, but know when to call a spade a spade)

If Phade and doki dropped this site and made it a gay horse porn archive, could someone do something about it?

Nope.

That's why it's not democracy - the power is always in the hands of mods, admins and owners. Users can offer their views, can advice, argue, etc., but the final decision is always based on how doki slept last night ;x

They're asking for fucking feedback! How dense and anti-establishment :tinfoil: can you be!?! They're actively inviting feedback and doing polls for christsake! You think it's all going to just go up in a puff of smoke because it could? You can't give these honest hardworking people the benefit of the doubt that the forum they're providing is an openly democratic one without thinking it's all some illusion wrought to fool you? That's fucking pathetic.

BasharOfTheAges wrote:They're asking for fucking feedback! How dense and anti-establishment :tinfoil: can you be!?! They're actively inviting feedback and doing polls for christsake! You think it's all going to just go up in a puff of smoke because it could? You can't give these honest hardworking people the benefit of the doubt that the forum they're providing is an openly democratic one without thinking it's all some illusion wrought to fool you? That's fucking pathetic.

First line of Wiki:

Wiki wrote:Democracy is a political form of government carried out either directly by the people (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (representative democracy).

Any forums aren't those, supposed the users actually- don't admin all.- don't go around and vote a new admin every year or so.

Also, I think you're taking me wrong - I don't argue AGAINST this - I know that having polls and asking for opinions is very generous. Neither I think it'll go up in a puff of smoke (I think doki and Phade are too kind to do that... and I doubt any of them watches gay horse porn). It's just that this is NOT a democracy per se (and probably can't ever be completely), just thought I'd clear this up.

Of course, you are always welcome to keep your view as I can't take that from you, but I'll keep mine, if you please. I have seen too many fallen forums (and also too many arguments about whether administration is/is not democracy) to really care at this point ;x