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Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

So far in the manga as we have read, Naruto will end up with Sakura Chan at the end.
Jiraiya(Naruto's master) - Tsunade(Sakura's Master) = LoveBirds
Minato(Yellow Hairs) - Kushina(Red Hairs) = Lovebirds

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Lol the only people who take pairings half as seriously as the OP suggests are fckin obsessive nerdy teenaged girls on the internet, the type that are also interested in sht like twilight. Naruto is a fckin shonen manga about ninjas, Im pretty sure Kishimoto is well aware that the majority of the fan demographic of his manga comprises teenaged males who couldnt give a rats ass.

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Originally Posted by Pakura

Kishimoto already named Naruto's child. So he won't end up single.

So his audience is young gay males? That would explain things.

No, my point here is that the only people who read this manga for pairings (the type the OP is basically talking about) are a very active/loud but numerically almost nonexistent group on the internet. The actual Naruto fandom consists of hundreds of thousands...millions of people who probably treat the minor romantic subtext of this manga as nothing more. This isnt a shojo manga, most of us read it for the fantastical martial arts and such, not for 3rd rate and pathetically cliche romance.

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Originally Posted by Prometheus Beta

Lol the only people who take pairings half as seriously as the OP suggests are fckin obsessive nerdy teenaged girls on the internet, the type that are also interested in sht like twilight. Naruto is a fckin shonen manga about ninjas, Im pretty sure Kishimoto is well aware that the majority of the fan demographic of his manga comprises teenaged males who couldnt give a rats ass.

Originally Posted by Prometheus Beta

No, my point here is that the only people who read this manga for pairings (the type the OP is basically talking about) are a very active/loud but numerically almost nonexistent group on the internet. The actual Naruto fandom consists of hundreds of thousands...millions of people who probably treat the minor romantic subtext of this manga as nothing more. This isnt a shojo manga, most of us read it for the fantastical martial arts and such, not for 3rd rate and pathetically cliche romance.

Dude, I have to show you this, just to back up your point and also illustrate my own. I also bolded the part or your post that I like the most.

This is about a person's obsession about feet. You could potentially make a parallel between this obsession and pairing obsessions (though this person's post also mentions more than enough about pairing too).

On the proliferation of sandals and feet screengrabs: "From what I've read this is intentional because the Creator enjoys drawing toes." <----- They suggest that the production team intentionally indulged a fetish that there is no evidence of Kishimoto having. I can only guess this is based on the character creation notes where Kishimoto said he redesigned the shoes because he likes drawing toes, and I have an artbook where he says he likes drawing hands and feet. How the poster aligned that with Kishimoto having a foot-fetish I have no idea. I like drawing feet too. This is the type of logic that is endemic among shippers.

"By the time I was done this bonus totaled 153 caps making it the most caps I've posted from a single film at once." Damn, this movie must be about feet.

I was reluctant to watch the movie with my wife because she has a phobia of feet, but we bravely inserted the DVD and watched it. Even though we were watching it hyper-aware of the foot thing we completely forgot about it and didn't remember seeing any feet in the movie.

So I can only conclude that people who take pairings a little too seriously are like this foot-fetishist who for a moment convinced me that the movie is foot porn until I saw it for myself. The romance that is allegedly an important theme in the manga barely exists, or exists in just the right amount, but it is not pervasive.

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Originally Posted by trololol60

Because the actual pairing wars out there are way too violent now for Kishimoto to take a choice.I bet that whoever he picks ups for Naruto,he actually may face people wanting his life.What's more it's a shounen and there are renown to lack romantic substance in them.

Bet he'll end up alone,probably by choice for whatever reason.

bet you dont know what hand holding means in japan... and also the note of the ditors on the left on the chapter when naruto holds hinata's hand

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Originally Posted by AaaaNinja

Dude, I have to show you this, just to back up your point and also illustrate my own. I also bolded the part or your post that I like the most.

This is about a person's obsession about feet. You could potentially make a parallel between this obsession and pairing obsessions (though this person's post also mentions more than enough about pairing too).

On the proliferation of sandals and feet screengrabs: "From what I've read this is intentional because the Creator enjoys drawing toes." <----- They suggest that the production team intentionally indulged a fetish that there is no evidence of Kishimoto having. I can only guess this is based on the character creation notes where Kishimoto said he redesigned the shoes because he likes drawing toes, and I have an artbook where he says he likes drawing hands and feet. How the poster aligned that with Kishimoto having a foot-fetish I have no idea. I like drawing feet too. This is the type of logic that is endemic among shippers.

"By the time I was done this bonus totaled 153 caps making it the most caps I've posted from a single film at once." Damn, this movie must be about feet.

I was reluctant to watch the movie with my wife because she has a phobia of feet, but we bravely inserted the DVD and watched it. Even though we were watching it hyper-aware of the foot thing we completely forgot about it and didn't remember seeing any feet in the movie.

So I can only conclude that people who take pairings a little too seriously are like this foot-fetishist who for a moment convinced me that the movie is foot porn until I saw it for myself. The romance that is allegedly an important theme in the manga barely exists, or exists in just the right amount, but it is not pervasive.

This is actually a known phenomena in Psychology known as confirmation bias (link). The thing is that shipping invariably involves emotional investment, the shippers do not actually ship their pairings for any rational rationale, they identify with characters and find project their own romantic ideals and fantasies on said characters and pairings... these sort of people will read (or reread) a novel or a manga and pick up "hints", "foreshadowing", "parallels" and all this supposed "evidence" for their pairings, these supposed moments are in reality completely exaggerated and caricatured. Meanwhile, anything suggesting the contrary are ignored or rationalized away via grasping of every possible straw they can find. Tl;dr people with emotional investment or vested interest will see what they want to see bro.

This applies to the phenomena of shipping in general, I particularly first came to be familiar with it with the Harry Potter fandom when I was younger and the early books were coming out... people on various forums I was going to were writing fcking TOMES on all these hints and such, I fckin remember reading an essay on how Dumbledore death supposedly sealed the deal for the then sinking Harry/Hermione ship wtf lol. Nevertheless, it is fun and hilarious to argue with these rabid shippers for the sake of trollin sometimes :P

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

Originally Posted by Prometheus Beta

This is actually a known phenomena in Psychology known as confirmation bias (link). The thing is that shipping invariably involves emotional investment, the shippers do not actually ship their pairings for any rational rationale, they identify with characters and find project their own romantic ideals and fantasies on said characters and pairings... these sort of people will read (or reread) a novel or a manga and pick up "hints", "foreshadowing", "parallels" and all this supposed "evidence" for their pairings, these supposed moments are in reality completely exaggerated and caricatured. Meanwhile, anything suggesting the contrary are ignored or rationalized away via grasping of every possible straw they can find. Tl;dr people with emotional investment or vested interest will see what they want to see bro.

This applies to the phenomena of shipping in general, I particularly first came to be familiar with it with the Harry Potter fandom when I was younger and the early books were coming out... people on various forums I was going to were writing fcking TOMES on all these hints and such, I fckin remember reading an essay on how Dumbledore death supposedly sealed the deal for the then sinking Harry/Hermione ship wtf lol. Nevertheless, it is fun and hilarious to argue with these rabid shippers for the sake of trollin sometimes :P

I wasn't aware of the confirmation bias part of this, but I do know about projection. It's an important part of the storytelling formula. A really badly-executed villain for example is a villain that is unrelatable. Frollo in Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of those. Disonasu in the Chikara arc was terrible. I didn't care for him.

I see how something like this can apply when someone young, naive with no personal experience who has only ever been presented an idealized perfect fairytale version of romance gets involved. I didn't realize that could be one of the reasons that most people who invest too much into the romance seem to be young and female. But it's really sad that it is that way because it's just more evidence of the harmful expectations that our culture gives young women about romance and the importance it gives. I can immediately think of two examples:

Hinata threatens to beat up Naruto in the Road to Ninja movie if he looks at another girl, and there are seriously people going "Awwwwwwwuh my ship" over that. This is not a Alternative Universe Hinata with more confidence. This is a Hinata with powerful insecurities, not unlike those of the Real Hinata. The only difference is the way that her insecurity manifests. A very dangerous one.

alannacrystal on YouTube goes over the part where Sakura catches Sasuke giving flowers to other girls and repeating the same romantic words that he gave to her ("I'll always be by your side"). Stop me if you've heard this before: alannacrystal insists that his gesture to the other girls is meaningless and his giving a rose to Sakura was sincere and the moment where Sakura catches Sasuke doing this is evidence. :mugi: I don't know about you but in my universe, a really awesome guy is a guy who is sincere to everyone.

These are textbook battered/abused/abusive spouse scenarios. Wait 'til Road to Ninja comes out in the U.S. I'm sure there will be more gems like these.

Re: Bet Naruto will end up single...

bet you dont know what hand holding means in japan... and also the note of the ditors on the left on the chapter when naruto holds hinata's hand

when you find out it means make a thread with now i get it......

I know already about that.Everyone has been talking about it's meaning since chapter 615.However,Kishimoto's style makes it almost too unpredictable,and i'm saying this while liking the naruhina pairing due to its logic(a girl caring for the boy+a boy caring for that same girl and quite a lot at that).