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When the is credit to be given, he takes it.
When the is blame to be taken, he gives it!!

See what I'm sayin'????

rk

When the decision was being made to enter Iraq, Obama opposed the action. As he was beginning his run for the Presidency, he took a lot of flack from liberals in the party because of his assertion that, having destroyed the governmental infrastructure of the country and having opened it to terrorists who were not there before, that we could not simply withdraw.

However, he argued, contrary to the Bush administration's desires, that the US needed to define a timeline for getting out to force Iraqi factions to work together. He opposed the surge because it did not deal with the issues of factionalism. However, as the surge was implemented, a program to pay Sunni militia to become part of the force fighting al Qaeda became a core part of the effort. That program was tremendously successful.

Obama actually credited that success during the campaign, but still called for establishing a time shcedule for withdrawal noting that even as the surge succeeded in improving security, that the Shiya components of the government were still waging war on Sunnis. The Republican campaign made attacks on Obama's recommendations for a withdrawal schedule a central part of the McCain campaign. In the summer, the campaign was surprised when the Bush administration suddenly switched positions and agreed to a withdrawal time line at the insistence of the Iraqis. McCain continued to attack the Obama position.

Obama said he would pull all combat troops out of Iraq by August 2010 as part of a careful, staged program for turning combat operations over to the Iraqi government. Currently, that is exactly what is happening. There remain a number of obstacles, particularly as the Iraqi election commission has acted to exclude most Sunni candidates from participating on the upcoming election based on their association with Hussein, but has done nothing with respect to Shiya candidates that participated in death squads attacking Sunnis.

If we are successful in withdrawing from Iraq this year, I believe it will be a credit to the decisions made by Bush beginning in mid-2008, and to the decisions made and actions taken by the Obama administration since January 2009 to implement the program articulated by Obama during the campaign. Had McCain been elected and had he pursued his proposed strategies, I believe we would be more deeply engaged in combat activities today and that we would not have made the progress we have toward withdrawal this year.

When the decision was being made to enter Iraq, Obama opposed the action. As he was beginning his run for the Presidency, he took a lot of flack from liberals in the party because of his assertion that, having destroyed the governmental infrastructure of the country and having opened it to terrorists who were not there before, that we could not simply withdraw.

However, he argued, contrary to the Bush administration's desires, that the US needed to define a timeline for getting out to force Iraqi factions to work together. He opposed the surge because it did not deal with the issues of factionalism. However, as the surge was implemented, a program to pay Sunni militia to become part of the force fighting al Qaeda became a core part of the effort. That program was tremendously successful.

Obama actually credited that success during the campaign, but still called for establishing a time shcedule for withdrawal noting that even as the surge succeeded in improving security, that the Shiya components of the government were still waging war on Sunnis. The Republican campaign made attacks on Obama's recommendations for a withdrawal schedule a central part of the McCain campaign. In the summer, the campaign was surprised when the Bush administration suddenly switched positions and agreed to a withdrawal time line at the insistence of the Iraqis. McCain continued to attack the Obama position.

Obama said he would pull all combat troops out of Iraq by August 2010 as part of a careful, staged program for turning combat operations over to the Iraqi government. Currently, that is exactly what is happening. There remain a number of obstacles, particularly as the Iraqi election commission has acted to exclude most Sunni candidates from participating on the upcoming election based on their association with Hussein, but has done nothing with respect to Shiya candidates that participated in death squads attacking Sunnis.

If we are successful in withdrawing from Iraq this year, I believe it will be a credit to the decisions made by Bush beginning in mid-2008, and to the decisions made and actions taken by the Obama administration since January 2009 to implement the program articulated by Obama during the campaign. Had McCain been elected and had he pursued his proposed strategies, I believe we would be more deeply engaged in combat activities today and that we would not have made the progress we have toward withdrawal this year.

I'm finally beginning to understand how you are surviving all those sword wounds...it's not blood coming out of you, it's the over-abundance of koolaide.

Keep bloviating. It won't be long before you'll be telling us how Algore started the internet; how dead fish Immanuel caused the downfall of Blagojevich; and your messiah also defeated the Germans and exposed the holocaust as being phoney.

What a historian you are in your own mind. Why not give Obama the credit he deserves, like signing a bill that just increased the American indebtedness to an all-time unbelievable high; one even your great grandchildren will never be able to overcome. Now that's the Obama we can all believe in.

Told ya HEW. (Shoulda put some $$$ on it.) I knew the lefties on this BB would come to the defense of their V.P. He can't say anything stupid enough that this batch of socialists won't guppy up to. "birds of a feather" la la la.

UB

When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.

By bringing our troops home in August, don't you think we would be saving one heck of a lot of tax payers dollars not to mention the number of our armed forces lives that will be saved? Getting out of Iraq, isn't that what one of Obama's campaign promises about? McCain on the other hand would have us there for another 100 years.

By bringing our troops home in August, don't you think we would be saving one heck of a lot of tax payers dollars not to mention the number of our armed forces lives that will be saved? Getting out of Iraq, isn't that what one of Obama's campaign promises about? McCain on the other hand would have us there for another 100 years.

Would you like to wager on whether or not there will be an American military presence at the end of Obama's term (I'll even give you his 2nd term if he runs/is elected)? Put your money where Obama's campaign rhetoric was.

McCain spoke the truth, impolitic (or dumb) as it might have been...we will be in Iraq a long time (hopefully). Just like we're in Germany. Just like we're in Japan.

Had we listened to Obama, Biden, Clinton, et al we'd have suffered a grave defeat, emboldened our enemies, and left the people of Iraq to the wolves. That Biden wants to claim some kind of credit for sickens my stomach. I doubt a political savy guy like Obama would have said anything close to what that idiot Biden spewed, and I bet he's some kind of pissed that now he's been backed into a corner and will have to try and defend the indefensible.

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Corey Burke