TL50 + epic shield too strong

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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but pointing out that your logic here shows how much star cards / abilities dominate over real gunplay in this game. Too much emphasis lie around them.

Here's a modest example:

To be able to effectively fight at range with the Heavy class, you have to use Sentry, an ability, because all you're guns are absolutely terrible at mid to long range, not to mention the long TTK otherwise. Now this was why SCS was big problem beyond launch (and not just when it came down to heroes might I add); absolutely insane DPS, range, and outperformed all the Heavy's primary-class weapons by FAR. It served as a great example of just how much star cards in-general have taken over. This is apart of the game's actual fundamental problem.

Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.

Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

DPS CR2 : 233
150 HP assault

DPS TL50 : 242
200 HP heavy

in blaster fight, cr2 loses

No, DPS of CR2:283.3
DPS of TL-50: 233.3

In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!

you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.

Awesome... so we are going to base nerf requests on whether players "choose the facility to win"... I am pretty sure people don't choose things with the intent of increasing their chances of losing, so if someone picks something, it by definition should be nerfed as they are picking it to win... solid balancing logic.

If that is the case, do we nerf the SE-44C because every Officer uses it? Should we nerf the A280 and the shield bubble on specialist because everyone uses it? Should we nerf Toughen up and CR-2 again because everyone uses it? No, we should accept that no self respecting player is going to choose worse guns or star cards, and live with it, if you get outplayed, you get outplayed.

Yes!!! If people are picking something to win, it must be nerfed!

With the ultimate end result being every weapon dealing the same damage - zero. Then what would people complain about?

People complaining that weapons do too little damage.

I would not say that, the majority of conventional weapons are satisfactory, I would say that the epic shield is too resistant, you already have trouble with OP weapons, so if you fight with conventional weapons, it's even worse.

So because someone uses an ability to increase survivability, you want to be able to destroy it without utilizing an ability? Cool.

there is a difference between improvement and transformation, epic shield will double the HP of your shield. The difference between the base shield and the epic is monstrous.

The difference between personal shield at epic is huge. The difference in the Blaster turret is really big, and the difference in scan dart with the improved is even higher.

Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.

Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

DPS CR2 : 233
150 HP assault

DPS TL50 : 242
200 HP heavy

in blaster fight, cr2 loses

No, DPS of CR2:283.3
DPS of TL-50: 233.3

In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!

you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.

Awesome... so we are going to base nerf requests on whether players "choose the facility to win"... I am pretty sure people don't choose things with the intent of increasing their chances of losing, so if someone picks something, it by definition should be nerfed as they are picking it to win... solid balancing logic.

If that is the case, do we nerf the SE-44C because every Officer uses it? Should we nerf the A280 and the shield bubble on specialist because everyone uses it? Should we nerf Toughen up and CR-2 again because everyone uses it? No, we should accept that no self respecting player is going to choose worse guns or star cards, and live with it, if you get outplayed, you get outplayed.

Yes!!! If people are picking something to win, it must be nerfed!

With the ultimate end result being every weapon dealing the same damage - zero. Then what would people complain about?

People complaining that weapons do too little damage.

I would not say that, the majority of conventional weapons are satisfactory, I would say that the epic shield is too resistant, you already have trouble with OP weapons, so if you fight with conventional weapons, it's even worse.

So because someone uses an ability to increase survivability, you want to be able to destroy it without utilizing an ability? Cool.

there is a difference between improvement and transformation, epic shield will double the HP of your shield. The difference between the base shield and the epic is monstrous.

The difference between personal shield at epic is huge. The difference in the Blaster turret is really big, and the difference in scan dart with the improved is even higher.

i am agree whith you, and i dont say this is not a problem ,
it is also a problem, you must be in purple level to have a soldier "normal" in game.

All heavy i see play with this. Please nerf this.
TL50 is powerful than cr2

Here's what I propose, remove 50 hp epic shield (so it will be 250 HP purple) and augant the basic shield of heavy 50.
reduce the rate of fire of TL50

I am doing a MASSACRE with. This combination is horrible and this is so easly to kill with this than nobody want to play with other star card

The TL50 is more powerful than the cr2? Uhh, no, it's really not. In fact, I think if anything, it needs a buff. Also, not many heavys use the shield. I rarely see heavys with sheilds and if they do. They get melted.

All heavy i see play with this. Please nerf this.
TL50 is powerful than cr2

Here's what I propose, remove 50 hp epic shield (so it will be 250 HP purple) and augant the basic shield of heavy 50.
reduce the rate of fire of TL50

I am doing a MASSACRE with. This combination is horrible and this is so easly to kill with this than nobody want to play with other star card

The TL50 is more powerful than the cr2? Uhh, no, it's really not. In fact, I think if anything, it needs a buff. Also, not many heavys use the shield. I rarely see heavys with sheilds and if they do. They get melted.

Omg. Dont revive this. Fyi heavies get melted cause 90 percent of them suck and use the shield so they can survive a little longer than 2 seconds. Tl50 with 200 health is amazing no need for a buff.

All heavy i see play with this. Please nerf this.
TL50 is powerful than cr2

Here's what I propose, remove 50 hp epic shield (so it will be 250 HP purple) and augant the basic shield of heavy 50.
reduce the rate of fire of TL50

I am doing a MASSACRE with. This combination is horrible and this is so easly to kill with this than nobody want to play with other star card

The TL50 is more powerful than the cr2? Uhh, no, it's really not. In fact, I think if anything, it needs a buff. Also, not many heavys use the shield. I rarely see heavys with sheilds and if they do. They get melted.

Omg. Dont revive this. Fyi heavies get melted cause 90 percent of them suck and use the shield so they can survive a little longer than 2 seconds. Tl50 with 200 health is amazing no need for a buff.