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Let’s get a show of hands…how many of you were cursing Kiffin for not starting Russell in ’07 in place of McCown? How many of you same people are now cursing Russell, and wishing for Gradkowski to start, when his QB style is a lot more similar to McCown’s than Russell’s?

ENGLANDRAIDER

Richochet:

Family from Fife?
That’s a good thing.
I’ve always believed that all non-Scots are created equa.

There used to be a pub in SF, before the city became strange, called the Edinburgh Castle-up on Geary.

It was founded by a guy called Dougie who was from Aberdeen.
That was a great place to have a drink or a somewhat heated conversation.

ENGLANDRAIDER

4Eva:

Lake Arrowhead? Now there’s a place I’d like to be-or Big Bear, sweet.

Raiders: Crypt keeper/managing partner Al Davis has forgotten more football than John Madden will ever remember — a fact that makes Davis’ current mismanagement of the once-proud Raiders into stumblebum status all the more perplexing. Is Davis’ draft-day obsession with straight-line speed pathological … or merely childlike? Did former coach Lane Kiffin really deserve the overhead projector treatment? Is Davis still smarting over the AFL-NFL merger? The answers are blowing in the autumn wind. Grade: A (1963-2002), F (2003-present)

Raiders: Tom Cable will not be indicted for allegedly assaulting a former assistant coach. This qualifies as news! It also means that Oakland won’t have to endure the absence of a head coach who was a loser at Idaho (11-35) and is 6-13 since taking over for Kiffin. Lucky Raiders. Grade: F-plus

Raiders: Hard to say. On one hand, speedy first-round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey has just four receptions in seven games; on the other, Oakland stuck it to Bay Area rival San Francisco by drafting Heyward-Bey over Michael Crabtree. On one hand, running back Darren McFadden showed promise as a rookie; on the other, he’s always injured. On one hand, JaMarcus Russell can throw a football 50-plus yards off one knee; on the other, he’s likely to be holding a slice of pizza in his other hand while doing it. Sum it up like this: The Raiders are quite possibly the planet’s only pigskin organization that could make Randy Moss look like a has-been. Grade: D

Raiders: After the Raiders scored 16 points over a three-game span — the third-worst stretch in franchise history — Cable told reporters “That’s not who we are.” Au contraire! Since Cable assumed command of Oakland midway through last season, the Raiders have scored less than 10 points eight times, something that happened to the Raiders six times in the entire decade of the 1970s. No wonder New York Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce likened playing against Oakland to playing in an intrasquad scrimmage. Also, six consecutive seasons of 11 or more losses seems like an intentional middle finger to the NFL’s socialistic draft and revenue-sharing mechanisms. Does Davis hate the House that Rozelle Built that much? Grade: F-minus

jerrymac: I’ve raved about McFadden the last two training camps and before he even got hurt, was starting to wonder if I was simply wrong. Not making impact as a receiver I thought he would. Had some drops, doesn’t break big plays. hard to believe a guy who could do that much damage in the SEC _ the closest thing to the NFL minor leagues _ can be such a non-factor. Tuesday October 27, 2009 12:52 jerrymac
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Dmac is a bust coulda used a D back lineman in that pick.

4evaRaider

ENGLANDRAIDER…

I sure did and have been stumbling sense!!!

Yucaipa…Man thats a town FULL of ice and la coca

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

1. Contrary to common belief, it was not the AFL that initiated merger talks, but the NFL, fearful that Davis’ “take no prisoners” tactics would seriously reduce its talent base. Dallas Cowboys general manager Tex Schramm secretly contacted AFL owners and asked if they were interested in a merger. The talks were conducted without the knowledge of Davis, the AFL commissioner. By June 8, 1966, the collaborators announced a merger agreement.
2. Long-time sports writer Jerry Magee of the San Diego Union-Tribune wrote: “Al Davis taking over as commissioner was the strongest thing the AFL ever did. He thought the AFL–NFL merger was a detriment to the AFL.”
3. Raiders owner Al Davis won an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL in 1982, based on his contention that the NFL could not prevent franchises from moving, i.e. that Rozelle’s public pledge had no legal standing against an owner who wanted to move his club in defiance of that pledge.

4evaRaider

l8ter

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

Source, Wiki. for 312

The article quoted by MR was not based on fact in certain issues. The L.A. Coliseum Commission agreed to a remodel of the stadium as a condition of moving to L.A. and agreed to have the renovations completed in time for the 1984 Olympics. Did not happen. Whe AD threatened to move back the 1st time, renovations were started and the field was raised and the running track was eliminated. Promised luxury suites never were built. Al made the deal with Irwindale which approached Tom Flores. Not wanting to be lied to again, Al insisted on a non-refundable deposit. The County of L.A. refused to give the land for the parking lots and the project was scuttled. There was the Hollywood Park proposal next to the Forum but the NFL interferred. Al went back to Oakland only because he had been lied too. That is the facts. He does not have to give up ownership of the Raiders for the new L.A. Stadium just like Jerry Buss did not give up the Lakers for the Staples Center (built by Roski). Just 5%

ExLa, my only real problem with Al Davis is his management of the Raiders. I’ll post articles with a lot of other criticisms of him, that I may or may not disagree with. My point about Al Davis is simple: He’s not qualified to run the football operations of an NFL franchise, and considering Ron Wolf’s biography, I’m really not sure if he ever was. He’s detrimental to the process of the Raiders winning a championship. He has to retire before the Raiders will ever be a winning team again, let alone win a championship. Send e mails to those columnists you disagree with regarding league merger issues. I don’t care.

I’ve stopped in for a ice COLD beer or three on occasion, when in the area. Haven’t been there in about three years though.

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

Further proof of inaccuracy of article.

Los Angeles Times
September 12, 1990
Davis and Spectacor Management Group, the private firm that manages the Los Angeles Coliseum, agreed Monday to a 20-year lease in exchange for a privately financed, $145-million renovation of the Coliseum. This includes stadium improvements the Raiders claimed they were promised when they moved here from Oakland in 1982.

In addition, it is said the Raiders will receive $32 million in advance cash payments from Spectacor and forgiveness of a $10-million debt the team owes the Coliseum Commission.

But with all the fanfare, there is still a catch: The contract could be void in a few years if Spectacor does not produce an environmental impact report allowing the multimillion dollar renovation of the Coliseum and raise the private financing to ,pay for it.

Plans to renovate the 67-year-old Coliseum call for retention of the historic existing exterior walls. The interior, however, will be drastically altered to include the following:

–A reduction in stadium capacity from 92,500 seats to 70,000 for Raider games and 85,000 for USC games. Davis said Tuesday he actually wants only 65,000 seats.

–Construction of as many as 250 luxury boxes at mid-level of the stadium and 15,000 club seats.

The environmental impact report is expected to take a year. Reconstruction would begin after the 1991 Raider and USC seasons. During the 1992 season, both USC and the Raiders will have to play elsewhere. Speculation is the Raiders will play at Dodger Stadium and USC at Anaheim Stadium.
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Never done or built. That’s why I said AD was lied to.

No argument with you MR, just being factual

DKnight007

RaiderRockstar Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
anybody who only has 2 TD’s and a whopping 13 turnovers in 7 games that doesn’t think he’s playing poorly or that he’s a part of the problem is probably just as delusional as the man who drafted him.

Be factual, then, exla. But if you’re trying to drown out my p.o.v. that Al Davis needs to retire, you’re going to get rolled, muthu f’r. 🙂

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

MR, your are entitled to your point of view without being drowned out. I kinda agree that AD needs to hire a G.M. But remember, all owners meddle. It’s their team.

LA to TheBay

A watershed victory would be great.

When is the last time the Raiders just blew someone out?

I mean just wiped the floor clean with ’em (closest thing I recall is week 2 victory against Chiefs in 08, but I don’t think that would count)?

That’s what we need. Then, the following week, we need another W.

The only way this team does anything is if they’re not convinced they’re going to lose before they show up at the stadium.

HairyBush

David Carr is going to be a free agent-anyone interested?…I am!

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

15,000 club seats. lol
I remember the letter from the Raiders that they were going to convert my seats to Club Seats and there would be a PSL of $7,000 per seat(I had 4) for the right to buy the seats for 10 yrs. I almost crapped in my pants. I was kinda glad the plan failed and they went to Oakland. I didn’t pay a PSL and gave up my seats when they asked for one for the remodel in Oakland.

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

The Raiders had displays all over of the renovations and financial specialists available on game days.

raideralex99

I just checked Leaf and JaMarcus’s STATS … holy crap they could be twins.

Yeah man – it’s been forever since we blew anyone out. Yeah, the Chief game was an impressive rushing display. Really, the TB game last year was the closest I remember to really outplaying someone impressively. And that definitely wasn’t a blow-out. Although, we did beat Denver in Denver 35-10 last year, didn’t we? It was nice to spank Shanahan in our last ever game against him.

LA to TheBay

I think 14/36 vs. 17/20 TD/INT would distinguish JaMarcus as a better QB. Not much better, but its too early to call him a bust.

Everything else, yeah fine.

HairyBush

What’s a puonding? lol

HairyBush

I hear you, but I do think having some time on the bench, perhaps brings a new perspective. I’m just saying at this point I see more “upside” or potential if you will in Mr. Carr.

exlaraiderseasonticketholder

David Carr became gunshy after taking a puonding for years.. Imagine how he would be with our OL.

LA to TheBay

Smac

31-10.

21 2nd half points.

That’s about as close as we’ve gotten. I think Russell had his best game that day.

His role was game manager. Completed his first 9 passes, ended up 10/11 1 TD.

I think they opened it up more and more down the stretch, culminating in the solid performance in TB.

I see why Al and the coaches wnated to open it up for him. With a better offseason and current circumstances, it may have worked out.

If Russell is still the guy next year, he better know to really get serious in the Spring.

No way that Jamarcus can regain the trust of his teammates for 2009. It is what it is, he showed up out-of-shape, blew off meetings, struggled with accuracy from day one, grew a mohawk and was one of the worst QB’s in the league. It may be only week 8, but that’s how the story will end. He hasn’t stepped up to the mic and gone out of his way to support his teammates, the only thing he did this week was deflect blame and place it on others. No way grown-men put up with that, especially after 3 turnovers in a quarter.

We will probably see a little of Gradowski and Frye sprinkled in the rest of the year, and Russell having one more offseason to prove to his teammates he will put in the work necessary to win and lead as a team.

I’m not putting much hope in the resurrection of Jamarcus Russell at this stage.

Richochet

ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Richochet:

Family from Fife?
That’s a good thing.
I’ve always believed that all non-Scots are created equa.

There used to be a pub in SF, before the city became strange, called the Edinburgh Castle-up on Geary.

It was founded by a guy called Dougie who was from Aberdeen.
That was a great place to have a drink or a somewhat heated conversation.
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Still is.

As far as “before SF became strange”? Never knew it not to be..part of the charm, I suppose.

Silver-n-Smac

LA:

Last year, Russell had 11 TD’s & only 8 Int’s. That’s what makes his start this year so perplexing.

This is my own personal philosophy. Last year, the Raiders stuck with Curry & Walker until deep into the season. When Higgins & Schilens finally got some legit playing time, the offense & JaMarcus, in particular, started to click. So, at that infamous press conference, Al ripped Kiffin for not playing the young guys sooner.

Well, the success they had with Higgins & Schilens is that it gave Al a false sense that this is the way to go from now on. So, what do they do this year? They start the season with 2 rookie receivers – something that has only been done 1 other time in the NFL over the past 30 years.

I think what the Raiders didn’t consider strongly enough, though, is that Higgins & Schilens didn’t start the season last year. They spend the majority of the year watching the successes & failures of Curry & Walker and how they handled or didn’t handle media scrutiny.

I think the Raiders have done J-Russ and those two young rookies a disservice by starting them so soon. With that being said, maybe Al already knew this wasn’t going to be a playoff team this year and just said “screw it – let’s put all our young guys in and let’em learn on the fly, and we’ll be that much more ready to make a playoff run next season.”

If that really was the logic and he’s planning on getting some legit O-Lineman in here next summer, then I think it’s a plan that may prove to be successful by year’s end.

It looks really bad while we’re going through it right now, but, maybe it’ll be worth it in the long-run.

The problem with the whole “screw it..let the young guys learn on the fly” deal, is what are they learning? That Jamarcus stinks? Horrible bad-habits in trying to overcompensate? Experiencing complete failure?

Not a good way to develop. You were right, JLH and Schilens were eased in and got better as the season came along. Murphy seems to be getting more frustrated and dropping more passes lately, and DHB seems pretty stoked about 4 catches in 7 games. They aren’t learning a whole hell of a lot, IMO.

Richochet

Silver-n-Smac Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Look, I’ve watched football for 30 years (as have many of you) and I’ve seen many great QB’s go to the bench, BY THEMSELVES and sit down BY THEMSELVES, to cool off, get their minds straight, do whatever they feel they need to do for their own state of mind at that particular moment.

It doesn’t always need to be rah, rah on the sidelines all the time.

Looking at photos on the bench, or discussing every angle of every play with the QB coach is great. But it doesn’t mean you always have to do it to succeed. The camera always goes to Russell right when he goes to the bench. But, there’s also been plenty of shots os him with Hackett & Grad., discussing what just happened.
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Rah rah? WTF??? Who’s talking about rah rah? we’re talking about COMMUNICATING with the HC..with the OC..discussing what just happened, what should happen.
Russell can’t do anything right, yet he NEVER goes for advice..just plops down. No urgency to talk with anyone, no desire to discuss what should have been done.

As far as “own state of mind’?
I seriously doubt Russell’s concern is “state of mind”.
The guy acts like he just scored the winning td…AFTER AN INTERCEPTION..instead of confuring with those that coach him.

Russell can’t do anything right, yet he NEVER goes for advice..just plops down. No urgency to talk with anyone, no desire to discuss what should have been done.
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It’s these kinds of idiotic statements that rack-ette demonstrates he and others don’t know what the fook they’re talking about. Of course he talks to Tollner his coach after he comes off the field. Tollner is standing right there, going over the defenses with him Frye and Gradkowski. Of course you have no idea who Tollner is. You think Tollner is some type of cookie. Now just please STFU.

LA to TheBay

He does go to his spot on the bench, but as I said earlier, occasionally Russell goes straight to Cable, and he does end up reviewing stills with Hackett and Gradkowski (Frye pretends to be interested) on most occasions, whether he initiates it or not, it happens and his mannerisms are debatable, but they do review.

Cable’s also been in his face quite a bit more the last two weeks. That, plus his comments recently would tell me he’s getting pretty impatient.

MR, your are entitled to your point of view without being drowned out. I kinda agree that AD needs to hire a G.M. But remember, all owners meddle. It’s their team.

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I agree. All owners do meddle. It’s just that Al is a lot dumber than most of them. It’s not that I want an owner who doesn’t meddle. More like, I want an owner who understands today’s game and knows what he’s doing.

LA to TheBay

Oak, is that Tollner? I was under the impression Tollner was in the booth, but I’m not sure.

I am sure he has discussions with coaches. I can tell because of the disinterested look on Russell’s face and the fact that said coaches are 70+ years old.

LA to TheBay

Seriously, though, Russell does review and you can tell he is taking it seriously, despite my joke.

He typically has pretty good plays out of timeouts, so you know he’s listening to what Cable and Co. are saying.

Russell can’t do anything right, yet he NEVER goes for advice..just plops down. No urgency to talk with anyone, no desire to discuss what should have been done.
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It’s these kinds of idiotic statements that rack-ette demonstrates he and others don’t know what the fook they’re talking about. Of course he talks to Tollner his coach after he comes off the field. Tollner is standing right there, going over the defenses with him Frye and Gradkowski. Of course you have no idea who Tollner is. You think Tollner is some type of cookie. Now just please STFU.
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Bull****.
See, if you actually went to the games, you would know that he IMMEDIATELY goes and sits down. Wherever he can plop his ass. The coaches, AS I ALREADY STATED, FOOL, seek Russell out. THEY GO TO HIM to bring printouts, not the other way around.

Of course, considering you’re a lying ass dog..you wouldn’t know about what actually goes on, on the sidelines, would you?

It’s kind of a standing joke now, with announcers, and with some fans that Russell is more concerned about getting his beanie on, than anything else.
That’s why you see so many pics of him sitting there, with that dull look around the eyes, staring off, as if he’s high…you know, little man..like you are..on a daily basis. In EVERY instance, Russell is sitting..BY HIMSELF MOST TIMES..before the assts come find HIM..moron.

LA to TheBay

I think the beanie is his defense mechanism. Like his ‘invisible’ hat or something.

Maybe he lost a bet and is just trying to cover up that ridiculous frohawk.

I think the beanie is his dunce cap, yet he is the only one who doesn’t know it.

Damn They Suck

LMAO

LA to TheBay

VR,

I don’t know. The question becomes, are you learning good football in bad football games or is your confidence being whithered away and learning nothing but how to lose?

It all comes down to the individual, IMO.

If you come prepared and play hard, even on a poor team, usually you stick around in this league and can still be a Pro Bowler or be patient and get your shot when you team finally puts it together (IE Adrian Wilson, Tim Brown, etc).

LA to TheBay

Don’t know.

If I had all the answers, I’d be a rich man.

Which is why I’m about to score a Heinie instead of some Henny.

Sh;t maybe an 800 if I end up twisting one.

F it.

I’m out, Nation.

Be good.

Coach on Wheels

JHILL –

You might want to stop talking down to peeps about your football knowledge when YOU ARE WRONG in so many ways –

Four Vertical routes? Genius, THERE ARE FIVE ELIGBLE RECEIVERS EVERY PLAY. The checkdown is almost always there so it isn’t part of the play name.

If Russel put the offense in the wrong formation it can screw up the match-ups and blocking but the checkdown is still there.

JR is terrible – period.

Other retarded cooments –

“The D quit after JR was benched.” – lol The D gave up 24 points with JR, 14 with Gradkowski.

“Gradkowski isn’t an answer.” Why? He’s better than JR. He isn’t old. How do you geniuses know he won’t be the next Plunkett or Hostettler or Gannon? The reality is with less time under Cable and far fewer reps in practice he moves the offense and displays more leadership than JaWalrus.

Jhill might want to learn something about football before he calls anybody else out.

UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER

the owner of the titans just told fisher to start v. young

some owners do meddle they are paying the salaries. there season is lost so they will see if young can get it going.