Saturday, May 21, 2011

Our own Kimchi, has been on a road-trip lately, and did a "drive-by shooting" (camera shooting that is)... of 720 West Flora Street, Stockton, California. The video is below. She approaches the "Willett" address at exactly 1min/28secs. It's the small yellow house. I also grabbed a few still photos from the video, for those who prefer photos.As always Kimchi... Thanks a Million!!!Excerpted and paraphrased, from Bugliosi's, "Helter Skelter":On Nov. 8, 1972, a hiker in Guerneville, CA, saw a hand protruding from the ground. The victim was James T. Willett, 26. He had been shotgunned and decapitated. Three days later, police found Willett's station wagon parked at 720 West Flora Street. When refused entry to the house, they broke in, arresting two men and two women and confiscating a number of pistols and shotguns. The two women (both with X’s on their heads) were Priscilla Cooper, 21, and Nancy Pitman, 20. The two men were Michael Monfort, 24, and James Craig, 33, both state prison escapees. Both were members of the Aryan Brotherhood. While in the house, the police noticed freshly turned earth in the basement. They began digging, and early the following morning exhumed the body of Lauren Willett, 19. She had been shot once in the head. Priscilla Cooper claimed that Lauren Willett had killed herself playing Russian roulette.On April 2, Michael Monfort, pleaded guilty to the murder of Lauren Willett. James Craig, Priscilla Cooper, and Nancy Pitman pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact to murder. Monfort, and an accomplice, William Goucher, 23, subsequently pleaded guilty to second degree murder in the death of James Willett.The motive for the two murders is not known. It is known that the Willetts had been associated with the Manson Family for at least a year, and possibly longer. Police surmised that Lauren Willett was killed after learning of the murder of her husband, to keep her from going to the police. As for the murder of James Willett, the official police theory is that Willett himself may have been about to inform about the robberies the group had committed.

109 comments:

Thanks Again Kimchi!!!You're the Absolute Best!!The video and photos came-out Awesome!!!All your contributions are very much appreciated... as are the contributions of everyone here... from the old-timers, to the new-comers... no one excluded.

Thanks Kimchi. You've shared some uncommon sites and photos we don't usually see, thank you very much! I love visiting places connected to TLB, and seeing if energy from another time survives. Sometimes it jumps out and grabs you, other times, it's completely swept away like it was never there at all. Thanks much.

Some additional info about the house. The lady who owns it is acquainted with Mark Turner and apparently was at one time interested in giving paid tours of the basement ($5 a head). She is also sue-happy when people photograph her place so tread lightly, friends.

Katie said>>>>"It doesn't look like the kind of house that would have a basement".<<<<

Actually, some sources describe it as a "crawl space"... rather than a full-fledged basement.However, I found it described as a "basement" more frequently (and in Bugliosi's book)... so, I left it as basement.Having never been down there myself... I couldn't say for sure, which description, is more accurate.

Katie said>>>>"Boy that Nancy knew how to pick 'em. She went from the Manson Family to the Aryan Brotherhood"!<<<<

I paraphrased from the original excerpt, as to save folks some reading, but the original, expounds on the Aryan Brotherhood topic, as follows:

"Both (Michael Monfort and James Craig) had the letters 'AB' tattooed on their left breasts. According to a spokesman for the state Department of Corrections, the initials stood for the Aryan Brotherhood, described as 'a cult of white prison inmates, dedicated largely to racism but also involved in hoodlum activities, including murder contracts ....'

Patty said>>>>"Some additional info about the house. The lady who owns it is acquainted with Mark Turner and apparently was at one time interested in giving paid tours of the basement ($5 a head). She is also sue-happy when people photograph her place so tread lightly, friends".<<<<<

Patty... I'm not doubting that your warning is sincere, or that your information is accurate, but considering the messenger here (LMAO)... I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face.

I mean... I'm being cautioned regarding the use of photos, from an administrator at Liz's blog??? AHahahaha

This is like to receiving diet/fitness advice from a 450 pound woman. AHahaha

I love ya Patty... but, there's just WAY too much irony here to ignore.I tried, and tried... I really did.I sat on my hands for at least an hour, but... I finally gave-in.

I was thinking, what kind of a person would buy a house where someone was buried alive in the basement, then offer to sell tours for $5/head. It doesn't sound like someone who is interested in privacy.

Not only that, but the realtor has to "disclose" prior facts of what is known of the property...

Unless of course, it was a bank forclosure...

From what I've heard, the Labianca house buyers knew full well what happened there, but it was a "good buy"...I know a person that rented it in the late 70's...he didn't know what happened until one of his party friends told him...then he stole a bunch of goodies and sold them...like the electric lanterns at the gate...LOL - they are now on a home in Pasadena...LOL

Wish I could post pictures...Pricilla Cooper was arrested with Nancy...her mom (in LA) posted bail on one of the guys...have to look it up to give you specifics...she had a "wondering eye"...not to make note of handicapped people, but her mug shot was "different"..now you know who I'm talking about?

Yes, she was way after the Barker raid...she lived at the Flora house and was arrested with Nancy - Pricilla K. Cooper...but she did have an "x" on her forehead..I think she had something to do with Monfort's brother...

Wow- wonderful video....Kimchi, what did you think of Stockton? We have an office up there and I have heard the crime rate in Stockton is high. I am not as familiar with the Willetts....what made everyone go to Stockton? Seems like an odd place just to be.....

--Wow- wonderful video....Kimchi, what did you think of Stockton? We have an office up there and I have heard the crime rate in Stockton is high. I am not as familiar with the Willetts....what made everyone go to Stockton? Seems like an odd place just to be.....--

Stockton is hot in the summer Lynn! I didn't think too much of that neighborhood...as you can see, I drove around it over and over...LOL...I think they moved there to be somewhat close to Charlie - he was in San Quintin then and then moved to Vacaville or Folsom..Stockton was somewhat in between.

Kimchi...I believe Goucher was charged in connection with James Willett's death... not Lauren's.

From CharlieManson.com:

Monfort and Craig were both prison escapees who had been associating with the Manson Family. Monfort pleaded guilty to Lauren's murder and was given a sentence of seven years to life. Pitman, Craig and Cooper all pleaded guilty to being accessories after the fact.

Later, Monfort and William Goucher pleaded guilty to second degree murder for the death of James Willett. Craig also pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact in James' death.William Goucher went on to marry Family member Maria "Crystal" Alonzo".

Katie:Do you remember a while back... when someone was suggesting that Manson had "relations" with Mama Cass (LOL)... and Matt said he was getting a "Bad Visual"?ROFLMFAOThe was the funniest shit, I've seen on a blog, in a long time.I was practically crying.

>>>Lynyrd said: Katie:Do you remember a while back... when someone was suggesting that Manson had "relations" with Mama Cass (LOL)... and Matt said he was getting a "Bad Visual"?ROFLMFAOThe was the funniest shit, I've seen on a blog, in a long time.I was practically crying.>>>

Yes I do!!! That was soooo funny.

I can just see Manson with Mama Cass. That would be like "kneading dough".

That reminds me of an old joke.

"Fatty and skinny went to bed....fatty rolled over...skinny was dead."

I have to say I love Mama Cass. She is buried in the Jewish cemetery, next to Griffith Park. Have always wanted to go and visit her grave....have not gotten around to it...

I think it was Sebring's funeral was in Forest Lawn Glendale- in the little church up the hill. Reagan and Jane Wyman were married in that church. Was just thinking about it because thinking of Mamas and Papas, you can clearly see John and Michelle at the funeral. Forest Lawn Glendale also is home to Liz Taylor and Michael Jackson. They also have an art gallery on the premises. I use to live down the hill from the cemetery...it was always green and the coyotes would cry from the hill every night....

I was not condoning your joke, so please do not think that...I was typing about Mama Cass before you did the jokes...I have always really liked her and always felt bad that she was searching for something she did not get...

I am doig better...the ashes came home the other day and that was hard. I have started visiting the animal shelters but my other half is not quite ready, so I will need to wait for him......

I just finished chores so I am off to enjoy a glass of champagne on the deck....and toast to another day....

In case I am not on tomorrow (we are getting together with our really fun and wacky German friends) enjoy the rest of your weekend!

She is also sue-happy when people photograph her place so tread lightly, friends.

TRUE! I was the one who submitted the first photos of this house to Mark many years ago. We were both threatened with legal action. We refused to take the pictures down, but comprimised by just listing them as "West Flora St" with no house number.

Hello Grump, and thanks for the second warning... but it's not necessary.I believed Patty, the first time around.

As I said to Patty:"I'm not doubting that your warning is sincere, or that your information is accurate".

If we must continue this duscussion, here goes:

I'm not overly worried, about lawsuit-lady.These photos were taken from a personal automobile, on a public street... capturing the outside of a house.This woman is obviously something of a quack.

Now, if for instance... I opened a fake Facebook account... depicted myself as a teenager... and managed to "friend" the grandson or grand-daughter of an ex-family member.. to gain access to all their family photos...

And then... I pillaged their photos in search of grandpa (ex-family member), or grandma (ex-family member)...

And then... I maliciously obscured the faces of all grandchildren, children, and spouses, caught eronoeously in the foreground...

And then... I ruthlessly used those family photos... which involve weddings, hospital births, walks in the park, and other various visits with grandchildren... and posted those online...

Luckily... my photos are taken from a personal vehicle, on a public street... and are not half as intrusive, or deceptive.

My experience Grump, is that lawsuits are often threatened, but not frequently carried-out.The reason being... lawsuits are very expensive to pursue.If there isn't a lot to be gained, or a lot to be lost... it's just not worth it.

At the end of the day Grump... if this woman wanted to invest good money, to have a few photos of the outside of her house taken-down... I'd take them down.There isn't a single thread, on this blog... or any blog for that matter... that's gonna make-or-break the place.

I wish we could've interacted (for the first time) on a more enjoyable topic Grump.I enjoy your posts, photos, and your avatar.

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black Grump?Is a third member from Liz's blog gonna come here with a warning?I change threads frequently.This thread will be buried for all eternitly (most likely), in 48 hours.A week from now, no one would even notice if I erased this entire thread anyway.What exactly is this all about?

Lynyrd, I was going to post earlier but got busy doing other things, but I agree with you. It's easy to threaten but in order to back it up you have to have a case, and this woman doesn't.

As I said before, if you buy a property knowing that it was involved in a high profile case, you accept the consequences of people trying to see it. Period.

>>>Lynyrd said: Without DNA testing, to me, there's not much to talk about... except... "oh, I think she has his nose, or his ears"... LOLI think she might have his "package" to be honest with ya. LOLOL

Is it just me... or, does that look just like a man in "drag"?The face? the HANDS?Seriously... that looks like a dude with pony-tails to me.>>>

Lynyrd, i wouldn't give it a second thought. You're not using the photograph(s) to make money, no one broke any laws to obtain the photographs...as in trespassing on private property ...they were obtained through a car window on a public street, they were willingly gifted to you, no use or copyright was violated, and no one has libeled or intentionally misrepresented any facts regarding the property or anyone associated with it. Facts are facts, the alleged activity associated with the building is public information. I don't think the circumstances are the same as posting personal photographs of people without consent, are they?

The guy I worked with with was an intersting character...married at least 7 times, was with wife #3 when he rented the LB home...he said there was basement there..below the garage...I've never heard that mentioned...wifey #3 and her friends were the ones that put all the brick in the backyard...

>>>Kimchi said: The guy I worked with with was an intersting character...married at least 7 times, was with wife #3 when he rented the LB home...he said there was basement there..below the garage...I've never heard that mentioned...wifey #3 and her friends were the ones that put all the brick in the backyard...>>>

A basement below the garage?? I've not heard that one. Did you ever get to see the house???

""OR... they can just leave me the fuck alone... and mind their businessTheir choice."" ditto....

Anyway...Katie - he said he paid $150.00 a month for the place...wifey #3 was Puerto Rican and practiced Santeria...it was his party place...she found the rental, they moved in..then he found out what happened there...he said (and I don't concur) that the place next door had something to do with the rituals they practiced there...not the True house, but the Catholic place...

Hi Patty.We were cool, but when I came online this evening, and was confronted with this issue a second time... I wasn't in the mood to play... plain and simple.

Patty... I told you... "I don't doubt that your warning is sincere, or that your information is accurate".I also said... "your words of caution are appreciated, and duly noted".That means, I believe you, and I've got your message.It also means (implied), that I'll use your information, and exercise my own judgement... which is my prerogative, since it's my blog.

So... why is Grump here, relaying the SAME message a SECOND time??I heard you LOUD AND CLEAR the first time Patty... loud and clear.

Bottom Line Patty:The photo of this stupid little yellow house, is all over the place.It's on Turner's site... your site... google... I'm sure it's even at Cat's place somewhere.

So, what's this all about Patty?

Kimchi and I put a LOT of work into presenting this thread for my members.Can we at least enjoy it, and feel proud of it, for a couple days?Is that too much to ask?Do you feel good about coming in here, and ruining my thread?

I NEVER go to your site, and caution you... as to what you should, or shouldn't post.I never do that... nor would I do that.That would be an act of dis-respect on my part.

Yet... TWO folks from your blog, have already come here, and interrupted the enjoyment of this thread for my viewers!That's an act of dis-respect towards me Patty.

Patty... with all due respect... your ENTIRE blog... is based around posting photos with "questionable" origins.Can you at least admit that much??So... why are you busting my balls?

I like you Patty... but this issue is absurd.You have the SAME little yellow house on your own site!

Treat me, and my bloggers with respect, and you'll be treated very well by me.That's the most polite I can be right now.It's good you didn't post an hour ago.I had horns growing out the side of my head. : )Thread Ruiner! LOL

See then, Patty did misunderstand. Thank you for explaining to her what disrespectful is to you, from your perspective. She promises that she did not send Grump over to harass you and also that she will not ruin any more threads. Peace.

Kimchi said>>>>"Another thing I would like to add here, I feel honered blogging with Katie, Marliese, Robert, Lynn, Mary, bedpan, etc. and especially LS - I've followed some of you for years now...Thank you!!! xxoo"<<<<<

Thank You Kimchi.I agree... we have very knowledgable, experienced, folks here.It's a great group, and I'm very fortunate.And yes... some of us have been doing this for a very long time... Katie, Marliese, Bedpan, Myself...

There's one other very knowledgable, experienced long-timer, who I wish would contribute more often... Pristash.The man is very intelligent, an old friend, and a real gentlemen.He and I, were digging into the Frank Carbo stuff, when we parted ways.He's come-on here, and placed some really good jokes here and there... but, I know he's capable of much more.

Anyway Pristash... if you're out there... let's ROCK brother!

Thanks to everyone... Circumstance is another very notable blogger and friend, Bob, Lynn... I could never name everyone, for fear of excluding someone... you know who you are.

"There's one other very knowledgable, experienced long-timer, who I wish would contribute more often... Pristash.The man is very intelligent, an old friend, and a real gentlemen.He and I, were digging into the Frank Carbo stuff, when we parted ways"

Too bad, you guys were on to something, in my thoughts...

Yes, because of Pristash, I bought and read "Dead Circus" - gave me food for thought, but nothing more...unfortunately.

Ok0 we juwst hung with our German friends at the Silverlake Jubilee (by all of the attire of the hipsters, you would swear it was 1969- 1974 all over again) and then to the Red Lion for German Beer so here goes.....

I love this blog and thanks to L/S for putting it together. To all of the fellow commenters and to Kimchi for the wonderful new topics....

Katie, I agree, the manson "supposedly daughter" looks like a man. Reminds me of a Husker Du song "She's a woman and now she is a man"...

Not sure about being one to profess that you are the son or daughter of someone...why? for 15 minutes of fame?

This is not for any simpanthy or anyhting else, but as an adopted child, I know my mother but my father is MIA, which makes me affectionately call myself the "bastard child".....which I find funny....maybe I should start claiming taht my father was Manson? Nah....no need to have my 15 minutes of fame or whatever.......

Lynn said>>>>"Ok0 we juwst hung with our German friends at the Silverlake Jubilee (by all of the attire of the hipsters, you would swear it was 1969- 1974 all over again) and then to the Red Lion for German Beer so here goes".....<<<<

Wow!Partying at the Silverlake Jubilee with Hipsters... and out to the Red Lion afterwards, for German Beer?!!Oh YEAH!!!That settles it... I'm definitely in the wrong state!!!

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"Charlie Manson is a five foot seven schizophrenic, who if it weren't for the murder of Sharon Tate, would never be known or discussed. And I'm not saying he isn't funny and entertaining. I'm saying he's a dime a dozen criminal-class punk, who had the good fortune of running into some middle class pseudo-revolutionary white girls." -- Tom G

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"Them fucking fruitcakes could not pour piss out of a boot, with the bottom written on it."--Harold True