Keep on Rockin' Sox!! We've got a really soft schedule for the next month and we need to use it to put on a clinic!

:dtroll: :gulp: :rolleyes:

fquaye149

06-20-2005, 11:29 PM

i call nearly double digit, unearned runs a big deal.... **** tard

and i call everything else a much bigger deal.

not to mention when you're getting squeezed the way bmac was, it ain't easy to pitch a gem.

not to mention when your name is vizcaino...

RedPinStripes

06-20-2005, 11:30 PM

This isn't the best Sox team I've seen player for player, but by far the best Sox "team" I've ever seen put together.
:bandance:

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:30 PM

but we can't forget shingo and cotts!:supernana:

Cubbiesuck13

06-20-2005, 11:30 PM

i call nearly double digit, unearned runs a big deal.... **** tard

Unearned runs are not the picthers fault. You should be blaming the defense. Then again I think you made a mistake in posting that. But it is funny when you are calling someone names.

PeteWard

06-20-2005, 11:31 PM

Pitching match-ups for rest of series favors a sweep and a nice seven-game streak.

faneidde

06-20-2005, 11:31 PM

I am actually really excited to win a slugfest. The Sox have shown many times this year they can win games 4-3, 2-0, etc. If they can win slugfests with regularity things could get even more amazing than they are now. 25 games over .500 and looking like the class of the AL.

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:31 PM

and i call everything else a much bigger deal.

not to mention when you're getting squeezed the way bmac was, it ain't easy to pitch a gem.

not to mention when your name is vizcaino...bmac... getting squeezed?!? did you see all the run support he was getting?!?

RedPinStripes

06-20-2005, 11:31 PM

Too bad BMac couldnt throw more strikes, or close out the 5th...but one hell of a game for our offense!!

:bandance: :supernana:8 Games Up!!:supernana: :bandance:

He was getting alot of rookie calls. He should have had a few K's that would have been called for Buehrle imo.

DickAllen72

06-20-2005, 11:32 PM

Nice game by Ozuna--Man, that guy can fly!

And Shingo is back. :bandance:

LuvSox

06-20-2005, 11:32 PM

Pitching match-ups for rest of series favors a sweep and a nice seven-game streak.

Sing that gospel Mr. Pete Ward!:bandance:

soltrain21

06-20-2005, 11:32 PM

bmac... getting squeezed?!? did you see all the run support he was getting?!?

Do you know what getting squeezed means? It means pitches weren't going his way.

fquaye149

06-20-2005, 11:33 PM

bmac... getting squeezed?!? did you see all the run support he was getting?!?

that's not what getting squeezed means.

do you know what sport we're talking about?

remember who the boys in blue were this game.

Cubbiesuck13

06-20-2005, 11:34 PM

He was getting alot of rookie calls. He should have had a few K's that would have been called for Buehrle imo.

You gotta earn those calls, IMO.

The Racehorse

06-20-2005, 11:34 PM

Despite BMac's disappointing line tonight, it's nice to win a slugfest... and it's doubly nice knowing that Garland & Buehrle are ready to go for [hopefully] another series win at least, and a [possible] sweep at most.

CubsfansareDRUNK

06-20-2005, 11:34 PM

i can feel another [possible] sweep of the royals coming our way (not to jinx anything)

PeteWard

06-20-2005, 11:35 PM

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10106210202.jpegGet used to it Sox fans, there will plenty more as the O gets it rolling!

popilius

06-20-2005, 11:36 PM

That's a White Sox winner.

47-22

New high-water marks:

25 games over .500
8 games over the @#$%Twins
Come hell or high water, we're gonna win baby!

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10106210202.jpegGet used to it Sox fans, there will plenty more as the O gets it rolling!.......sweet pic pete!:bandance:

Unregistered

06-20-2005, 11:36 PM

:winner

Awesome win, we should win these games - the Royals are seriously just our bitches - every one of these games is ours for the taking.

but...

I really don't think BMac is ready. The kid is 21, and was getting slapped around in AAA - KW needs to get on the phone and make some calls if El Duque is out for any extended period of time.

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:37 PM

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10106210202.jpegGet used to it Sox fans, there will plenty more as the O gets it rolling!another great slide by A-ROW !

PeteWard

06-20-2005, 11:38 PM

You gotta earn those calls, IMO.

What is this, the NBA? I hate that crap: "Well, it's Tim Duncan and even if no one even breathed on him, well he's paid his dues man, so that's a foul." Absolute garbage.

A strike should be a strike no matter who is on the mound.

Unregistered

06-20-2005, 11:38 PM

bmac... getting squeezed?!? did you see all the run support he was getting?!?Somebody ban this turd.

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:39 PM

Somebody ban this turd.:dtroll::whocares

whitesoxfan

06-20-2005, 11:39 PM

:winner

what a game. Not a good outing by McCarthy, though he did have KC on the ropes several times, just couldn't close out the deal. Cotts was awesome and good to see Shingo get the batter out that he faced.

An 8 game lead on June 20th. This is amazing :supernana:

batmanZoSo

06-20-2005, 11:40 PM

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10106210202.jpegGet used to it Sox fans, there will plenty more as the O gets it rolling!

Wait til we start really clicking....:cool:

fquaye149

06-20-2005, 11:40 PM

What is this, the NBA? I hate that crap: "Well, it's Tim Duncan and even if no one even breathed on him, well he's paid his dues man, so that's a foul." Absolute garbage.

A strike should be a strike no matter who is on the mound.

i agree. that's why i hate playing against maddux. not because he's that good...but because he gets every call and moans about the ones he doesn't get.

even hawk buys into that crap and never complains about 6 inches off the plate strikes.

flo-B-flo

06-20-2005, 11:41 PM

Pitching match-ups for rest of series favors a sweep and a nice seven-game streak. Wait let me get out my crystal ball. This win shows that the Sox can win one run games AND 'softball' games too.

Cubbiesuck13

06-20-2005, 11:41 PM

What is this, the NBA? I hate that crap: "Well, it's Tim Duncan and even if no one even breathed on him, well he's paid his dues man, so that's a foul." Absolute garbage.

A strike should be a strike no matter who is on the mound.

Well no matter if you think it should be a certain way it has always been that great pitchers are going to get borderline calls. Hitters know this too. It is something that has been going on forever. It is inconsistancy that bothers me. It sounds like McCarthey was just getting a small strike zone but it was the same zone throught the game. I didn't see it. Is that how it was?

daveeym

06-20-2005, 11:42 PM

Awesome fricking game, great crowd, now 2-0 on the year. BTW Batman needs to stop hoggin the postgame threads.

PAPChiSox729

06-20-2005, 11:43 PM

I really don't think BMac is ready. The kid is 21, and was getting slapped around in AAA - KW needs to get on the phone and make some calls if El Duque is out for any extended period of time.

Couldn't agree with you more. I thought we was ready, but he looks to me that he isn't. Good thing I'm not running this team...
:redface:

And yes, KW probably already has a plan in mind if El Duque can't get over his shoulder problems.

daveeym

06-20-2005, 11:44 PM

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10106210202.jpegGet used to it Sox fans, there will plenty more as the O gets it rolling! I was in the left field corner and Arow went in so hard I swear he bounced 3 feet off the ground on this slide.

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:45 PM

I was in the left field corner and Arow went in so hard I swear he bounced 3 feet off the ground on this slide.you got home pretty fast!

MeanFish

06-20-2005, 11:46 PM

Not a good outing by McCarthy, though he did have KC on the ropes several times, just couldn't close out the deal.

An 8 game lead on June 20th. This is amazing :supernana:[/QUOTE]

That's what I drew from McCarthy's performance too: how many times did he have two out and nobody on, only to give up a couple runs because he couldn't seal the deal?

Fortunately, McCarthy's problems have nothing to do with his "stuff" or even his location. I personally wouldn't mind seeing him pitch a few games and see what Coop can do with him. His problems seem more mental than anything else.

Ozzie needs to realize that Vizcaino is NOT a long-relief pitcher. Cotts is the one guy in the pen who is pitching well AND can handle multiple innings with relative ease -- so when we need to pull a guy early, it's Cotts who needs to be getting the call and not Vizcaino.

Nice to see the offense do what they should always do against bad pitching. The pitching even showed more promise than the numbers suggest. All in all, a win, a good night, awesome.

:supernana:

PicktoCLick72

06-20-2005, 11:46 PM

Offense is playing up to its capabilities. BMac was disapointing. He might have been getting squeezed but he has to pitch better than he did today. Any ways 8 game s up has a nice ring to it.:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Iguana775

06-20-2005, 11:47 PM

I really don't think BMac is ready. The kid is 21, and was getting slapped around in AAA - KW needs to get on the phone and make some calls if El Duque is out for any extended period of time.

Roy Oswalt would look real nice in a Sox uni. :)

batmanZoSo

06-20-2005, 11:48 PM

Awesome fricking game, great crowd, now 2-0 on the year. BTW Batman needs to stop hoggin the postgame threads.

I can't help it what with the Force and all. I see things before they happen. So when you were seeing the 2nd out, from my perspective the game was already over. :cool:

edit: Oh, and daveeym needs to SHUT THE HELL UP :wink:

Unregistered

06-20-2005, 11:51 PM

I can't help it what with the Force and all. I see things before they happen. So when you were seeing the 2nd out, from my perspective the game was already over. :cool:
:firepettis

DickAllen72

06-20-2005, 11:51 PM

I really don't think BMac is ready. The kid is 21, and was getting slapped around in AAA - KW needs to get on the phone and make some calls if El Duque is out for any extended period of time.

BMac was supposed to start the year in AA, but because he had such a good Spring Training he was rushed up to AAA. He has not been successful in AAA.

BMac looks like he has a great MLB future, but he's probably two years away. Let's hope El Duque gets well soon and stays healthy for the rest of the season.

Realist

06-20-2005, 11:52 PM

I love it. The Sox are 25 games over .500 and 8 games in first and a donneybrook breaks out in the postgame thread!

Only White Sox fans! I love each and every one of you guys as if you came from my own loin.

:bandance:

VivaOzzie

06-20-2005, 11:52 PM

He was getting alot of rookie calls. He should have had a few K's that would have been called for Buehrle imo.

Very true

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:53 PM

did anybody notice the huge influx of emails that hawk and dj were reading tonight? some were flat out hilarious

rwcescato

06-20-2005, 11:54 PM

our offense looked good tonight, it was a nice win

I will take this w. but an 7-3 lead is blown so its a little disappointing. I guess we are just getting a little spoiled.
Rich:bandance:

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:54 PM

I love it. The Sox are 25 games over .500 and 8 games in first and a donneybrook breaks out in the postgame thread!

Only White Sox fans! I love each and every one of you guys as if you came from my own loin.

:bandance:only the south side and yes i did indeed come from your loin. WSI arent we just one big happy family!:)

Jjav829

06-20-2005, 11:56 PM

:firepettis

:JMstays

chisox77

06-20-2005, 11:57 PM

Some things to consider while savoring this Pale Hose win:

- The Royals look and play like a much better baseball team

- White Sox hitters taking excellent swings at the plate, and the baserunning was awesome

- Ozuna deserves to be on this team, no matter what moves are made

- Cotts is the man for a game where a starter struggles to get to the fifth or sixth inning

- Dye is hot

- Rowand's awesome slide at home plate

- Frank's timing at the plate is impressive considering the time he has been out

- BMac had decent stuff, and he is not too far away from being a quality starter

- Enjoy it, folks, this will continue for quite a while!

SouthSide4Life

06-20-2005, 11:58 PM

:indianslose.

VivaOzzie

06-21-2005, 12:00 AM

Was anybody else getting really pissed off when Leo Nunez kept slobbering all over his fingers in the 8th after almost every pitch?! It was getting out of control. :angry: And he would lift his cap and rub the front of his head after every pitch. I was getting a little suspicious.

But then when AJ hit that little duck snort into center it was all better...:D:

Viva Medias B's

06-21-2005, 12:01 AM

I was not impressed with McCarthy's walks and Vizcaino's gopher balls, but I really liked the hitting we put up tonight.

The Racehorse

06-21-2005, 12:02 AM

Was anybody else getting really pissed off when Leo Nunez kept slobbering all over his fingers in the 8th after like every pitch?! It was getting out of control:angry: And he would lift his cap and rub the front of his head after every pitch. I was getting a little suspicious.

But then when AJ hit that little duck snort to center it was all better...:D:

I noticed that too... it was great that A.J. hit the dry-side of the ball. :redneck

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:03 AM

Was anybody else getting really pissed off when Leo Nunez kept slobbering all over his fingers in the 8th after almost every pitch?! It was getting out of control. :angry: And he would lift his cap and rub the front of his head after every pitch. I was getting a little suspicious.

But then when AJ hit that little duck snort into center it was all better...:D:oh no not another spitballer

cheeses_h_rice

06-21-2005, 12:03 AM

But the Flubs won, so my day is ruined. </typicalflubsobsessedwsier>

Mark'sBrokenFoot

06-21-2005, 12:04 AM

You gotta earn those calls, IMO.

A strike is a strike to matter who throws it. Attitudes like this are the reason the NBA looks like it's scripted. Call the game by the rules and not by the names on the jersey.

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:07 AM

A strike is a strike to matter who throws it. Attitudes like this are the reason the NBA looks like it's scripted. Call the game by the rules and not by the names on the jersey.

A pitch that is borderline is going to go either way. When a great pitcher is pitching chances are he is going to get it. Piss and moan all you want but that is the way it has always been.

MRKARNO

06-21-2005, 12:08 AM

Cooper is going to have some tape to review to look at how he screwed up McCarthy's game plan. He has the stuff and the control. He was throwing good pitches where AJ wanted them too, but the calls themselves were the problem in the first place. I don't blame McCarthy himself too much for the poor outing. Something's wrong with the gameplan if you're throwing it right where they tell you to and you're not inducing many swinging strikes at all. He got squeezed and that hurt him as well. The bright side? No long balls and lots of groundballs.

It looked like Vizcaino might have been coming around before tonight, but that clearly is not the case. He just looves to hang that slider too much. When can Jeff Bajenaru start packing his bags for Chicago?

On to the good stuff!:D::

Neal Cotts is flat out awesome. He stopped the bleeding and got 7 very important outs. He is one of the major keys to our success right now.

Thomas: HR. Awesome. He moves past Dave Kingman on the all time HR list and into first on the franchise runs scored list. Congrats Frank!

PK has really turned it up offensively. Going opposite field seems to have really helped out his offensive production.

Tadahito scored on all three of his base hits. Good going on both accounts. He is the Japanese reincarnation of the version of Ray Durham that we got to know very well (not the current one that looks run-down).

How great would it be if Dye managed to put up the .300/30/100 line that Crabbs was famous for being able to put up consistantly? He's not on pace in the RBI dept, but I think it would be awesome if he went .280/30/80. He put himself on a track for that tonight with his 14th longball.

Hermanson looked very good out there today. The best I've seen him since the scoreless streak ended.

Ozuna is a great backup infielder. That decision to keep him out of ST proved absolutely the right call.

47-22, 8 games up on Minnesota, 9.5 games up on Cleveland. YE-ES!

chidonez

06-21-2005, 12:08 AM

Ooh, I just had a thought. I don't really care that BM struggled tonight, he's young. However, it just occurred to me that KW might have been trying to show him off. Well, his stock didn't go up any in that past couple of weeks. In the long run, I'd be happy to let him have time to mature.

What are you whining about Contreras for? 5 of his last 6 starts have been Quality starts and he pitched 7 innings of one run ball in his last start against the Cubs.

Mark'sBrokenFoot

06-21-2005, 12:18 AM

A pitch that is borderline is going to go either way. When a great pitcher is pitching chances are he is going to get it. Piss and moan all you want but that is the way it has always been.

No, it has not always been that way. It's not always that way right now. Good umpires aspire to call the game the right way. Besides which, McCarthy wasn't losing out on borderline pitches. He had a few sail right down the pipe and the ump just stood there like a lump.

I dont know if he was or not, but if you did see it, Im sure you would agree that it got quite ridiculous.

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:19 AM

What are you whining about Contreras for? 5 of his last 6 starts have been Quality starts and he pitched 7 innings of one run ball in his last start against the Cubs.he scares me still... ive lost faith in the cubans... with the no d's and stuff, just scuuurs me!!!!

wxkid23

06-21-2005, 12:22 AM

Great win! I just love hearing the KC broadcasters (who I dislike very much) making up excuses for why the Royals lose. BMac looked nervous and his pitch sequence was obviously off. I honestly don't know what the best course of action is to take with the 5-spot right now.

Viz.. BMac.... :dtroll:

Rest of team... :bandance:

Palehose13

06-21-2005, 12:22 AM

What are you whining about Contreras for? 5 of his last 6 starts have been Quality starts and he pitched 7 innings of one run ball in his last start against the Cubs.

He likes to whine. I think he's HomeFishEggs.

chisox77

06-21-2005, 12:24 AM

I put out the starters for the Cubs series, and WSI came through with some interesting and varied responses. (Way to go, White Sox Fans!)

My own feelings: The Sox will at least win two of three, but I will gladly accept a sweep!

Why? Because the Sox CAN HANDLE IT!:cool:

PeteWard

06-21-2005, 12:25 AM

he scares me still... ive lost faith in the cubans... with the no d's and stuff, just scuuurs me!!!!

What? Lost faith in the Cubans? Contreras has been tough. And look at how consistent Fidel has been! As tyrannical as can be for 46 years!

He likes to whine. I think he's HomeFishEggs.im sensing some bitterness between us Palehose, but I sure as hell like you!

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:28 AM

What? Lost faith in the Cubans? Contreras has been tough. And look at how consistent Fidel has been! As tyrannical as can be for 46 years!

Mr Karno, you got some splaining to do!i agree totally, Fidel is a rad ass

Palehose13

06-21-2005, 12:29 AM

im sensing some bitterness between us Palehose, but I sure as hell like you!

Bitterness? No...I just call it like I see it. :wink:

*edit...besides, I thought some of the elders may get some amusement from 'HomeFishEggs".

PeteWard

06-21-2005, 12:30 AM

"Hit 'em where they ain't!" Looks like AJ's aim is pretty good.

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ILBK10706210343.jpeg

Chicago White Sox's A. J. Pierzynski's 2-RBI single falls between Kansas City Royals shortstop Angel Berroa, from left, second baseman Ruben Gotay and center fielder David DeJesus (9) during the sixth inning, Monday, June 20, 2005, in Chicago. Paul Konerko and Tadahito Iguchi scored on the hit and the White Sox won 11-8. (AP Photo/Brian Kersey)

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:30 AM

No, it has not always been that way. It's not always that way right now. Good umpires aspire to call the game the right way. Besides which, McCarthy wasn't losing out on borderline pitches. He had a few sail right down the pipe and the ump just stood there like a lump.

I'll have to take your word on it that it hasn't always been that way. It must be only when I watch games. You are not thinking clearly if you honestly think that the Braves trio in the '90s got almost 100% of the borderline calls. RJ and The Rocket never get squeezed.

I don't know what the calls were tonight, I didn't watch the game. I was just responding to someone else's post that he would have had more ks if were MB on the mound.

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:31 AM

Bitterness? No...I just call it like I see it. :wink::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:you deserve a cookie

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:33 AM

i agree totally, Fidel is a rad ass
is rad ass a good thing? like radical is cool or something.

Lip Man 1

06-21-2005, 12:33 AM

It's too bad McCarthy wasn't able to at least pick up the win. It's still to early to get a read but you hoped he would have done better against a poor K.C. club (although they have been 12-6 in their last 18 games under Bell heading into tonight.)

He'll get a few more starts but he simply may not be ready to make the jump. We'll see. As I posted yesterday this is why The Duke's situation coming up when it did isn't all bad.

Williams has time to evaluate and if needed cut a deal.

Lip

FarWestChicago

06-21-2005, 12:35 AM

Cooper is going to have some tape to review to look at how he screwed up McCarthy's game plan. He has the stuff and the control. He was throwing good pitches where AJ wanted them too, but the calls themselves were the problem in the first place. I don't blame McCarthy himself too much for the poor outing. Something's wrong with the gameplan if you're throwing it right where they tell you to and you're not inducing many swinging strikes at all. He got squeezed and that hurt him as well. The bright side? No long balls and lots of groundballs. OMG, are you still going on with your tin foil hat theories about McCarthy? Jesus, he's been getting shelled at AAA. The kid may just not be ready yet. Are you his agent or something?

:sahaf

Brandon McCarthy throws a perfect game every time he pitches. All hits and walks are the result of horrible coaching and teammates. He has never given up a hit I tell you!!!

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:36 AM

is rad ass a good thing? like radical is cool or something.:?:

Realist

06-21-2005, 12:36 AM

Cooper is going to have some tape to review to look at how he screwed up McCarthy's game plan. He has the stuff and the control. He was throwing good pitches where AJ wanted them too, but the calls themselves were the problem in the first place. I don't blame McCarthy himself too much for the poor outing. Something's wrong with the gameplan if you're throwing it right where they tell you to and you're not inducing many swinging strikes at all. He got squeezed and that hurt him as well. The bright side? No long balls and lots of groundballs.

This makes a lot of sense.

I think that last pitch he made I thought was actually a pretty good pitch. That easlily could have been an out pitch. That was a case of good hitting beating good pitching.

Bisco Stu

06-21-2005, 12:36 AM

From Monday's notes:

The White Sox had four steals, giving them a major league-leading 75.

SAVVY18

06-21-2005, 12:36 AM

Not much to add except for...http://www.kevhead.com/khdcforum/uploads/SAVVY18/A4C_banana2.gif

ilsox7

06-21-2005, 12:36 AM

It's too bad McCarthy wasn't able to at least pick up the win. It's still to early to get a read but you hoped he would have done better against a poor K.C. club (although they have been 12-6 in their last 18 games under Bell heading into tonight.)

He'll get a few more starts but he simply may not be ready to make the jump. We'll see. As I posted yesterday this is why The Duke's situation coming up when it did isn't all bad.

Williams has time to evaluate and if needed cut a deal.

Lip

Agreed. BMac does not appear to be ready. I was at the game tonight and he just needs to develop more. Another 1.5 years in the minors will do him A LOT of good. I dunno what to do about Viz. I think he may be on his way out of town. I read recently that the Sox tried to sign a RHP that was released by the Giants. Anyways, a good win. We showed we can win when our 2 worst pitchers are out there...nice to see the bats alive!

Palehose13

06-21-2005, 12:38 AM

Not much to add except for...http://www.kevhead.com/khdcforum/uploads/SAVVY18/A4C_banana2.gif

That is one rocking banana!!!!

Chisox003

06-21-2005, 12:38 AM

47-22 and not slowing down! :gulp:

How about a tomato for this W

:tomatoaward

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:38 AM

:?:

You tell me. I was just wondering what you meant by Fidel is a rad ass.

skobabe8

06-21-2005, 12:39 AM

Am I giving too much credit to Ozzie because I think he used shaky Vizz instead of money Cotts or someone else right away because he knew our offense was so on? He knew even if Louis gives up a couple of runs, we would get them right back. So save the other arms and let Vizcaino eat up some innings.

PeteWard

06-21-2005, 12:40 AM

You tell me. I was just wondering what you meant by Fidel is a rad ass.

Maybe he meant "Red Ass"? :cool:

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:40 AM

You tell me. I was just wondering what you meant by Fidel is a rad ass.:?:

PeteWard

06-21-2005, 12:41 AM

Am I giving too much credit to Ozzie because I think he used shaky Vizz instead of money Cotts or someone else right away because he knew our offense was so on? He knew even if Louis gives up a couple of runs, we would get them right back. So save the other arms and let Vizcaino eat up some innings.

I don't think so. My guess is that he does not want to use Cotts so early.

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:41 AM

Maybe he meant "Red Ass"? :cool:

Maybe he doesn't know what he meant.

slavko

06-21-2005, 12:43 AM

BMac is not ready. This is hurting him. Is there another arm we could use for a few games in the farm system? Two plays, one by Pods going back, one by Dye coming in, have to be made by a championship team. They weren't. Don't get me wrong, I'm overjoyed.

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:45 AM

Maybe he doesn't know what he meant.:duel:

RedPinStripes

06-21-2005, 12:45 AM

I know a lot of people don't agree with this, but the best thing for Bmac might be bullpen time since he's somewhat solid for 4 innings. It did wonders for Garland and Buehrle. If Hernandez can't get the job done or stay healthy, i wonder if Cotts will be the replacement? Bmac either needs more time as a starter in AAA or bullpen time.

This isnt one of those over night training jobs no matter how good you are. :redneck

Palehose13

06-21-2005, 12:46 AM

Maybe he doesn't know what he meant.

I would imagine that he is getting close to booted because he is now just posting smilies or pictures. Mods don't like the wasting of bandwidth. :cool:

FarWestChicago

06-21-2005, 12:47 AM

Two plays, one by Pods going back, one by Dye coming in, have to be made by a championship team. They weren't. Don't get me wrong, I'm overjoyed.Perhaps the best Dark Cloud attempt of the thread. Kind of just snuck it in there.

SouthSide4Life

06-21-2005, 12:47 AM

I would imagine that he is getting close to booted because he is now just posting smilies or pictures. Mods don't like the wasting of bandwidth. :cool:so therefore you put a smilie in yourself.....

soltrain21

06-21-2005, 12:47 AM

Two plays, one by Pods going back, one by Dye coming in, have to be made by a championship team. They weren't.

Oh for the love of crow. It was 2 freakin' plays! You know the the Red Sox made quite a few errors last year, too. Hell, they weren't even errors!

How people are finding things wrong with this team is beyond me.

Stroker Ace

06-21-2005, 12:48 AM

What a game for my first of the year! As usual, the Sox pull through to get the win!

skobabe8

06-21-2005, 12:49 AM

BMac is not ready. This is hurting him. Is there another arm we could use for a few games in the farm system? Two plays, one by Pods going back, one by Dye coming in, have to be made by a championship team. They weren't. Don't get me wrong, I'm overjoyed.

Obviously!

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:54 AM

Perhaps the best Dark Cloud attempt of the thread. Kind of just snuck it in there.

It gets my vote.

Cotts has been unbelievable. This is a guy that people hated seeing come in and now it's the batters who hate seeing him come in.

seanpmurphy

06-21-2005, 12:54 AM

What an incredible game! Great to see the offense come to life in a big fashion again like a couple of weeks ago in Colorado.

If I don't see B-Mac pitch again this season, I won't be upset.:angry:

Pasqua's Posers

06-21-2005, 12:55 AM

a win is a win. Bmac got screwed on a couple of calls for balls which led to walks. From my vantage point in section 518 (BTW-the view is awesome and I have no problem sitting upstairs), he was battlling. i knew we were gonna have to plate a bunch of runs though. Keep it rollin!

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 12:59 AM

What an incredible game! Great to see the offense come to life in a big fashion again like a couple of weeks ago in Colorado.

If I don't see B-Mac pitch again this season, I won't be upset.:angry:

If he pitches again maybe people wont expect him to throw a no-hitter. He didn't do that bad and we won the game. Despite the posts that say 'we can't afford to have this happen now' we can have this happen now because we have a bit of a cushion, the offense is warming with the weather/Frank and we have a darn good pen to keep it close. As long as he is learning I don't mind him being out there. This was a huge step up compared to the Texas start.

chisoxfanatic

06-21-2005, 01:09 AM

Everyone else has basically summed up what I have to say about the game, but I must say that the crowd gave an awesome feel to the game, and Ozuna looked outstanding out there!

The play of the day was Konerko's home run in the first inning.

This is reminding me of 1999 (IIRC) when we went 11-1 against the Royals in that we're completely dominating them in every way!

Make that an 8-4 record for me at games this year.

:supernana:

RedFoxSoxFan

06-21-2005, 01:18 AM

I would love to see 55 wins going into the Allstar game. That would motivate me enough to get to chicaago to see a few games.

ilsox7

06-21-2005, 01:28 AM

If he pitches again maybe people wont expect him to throw a no-hitter. He didn't do that bad and we won the game. Despite the posts that say 'we can't afford to have this happen now' we can have this happen now because we have a bit of a cushion, the offense is warming with the weather/Frank and we have a darn good pen to keep it close. As long as he is learning I don't mind him being out there. This was a huge step up compared to the Texas start.

I didn't expect a no-hitter. However, I did expect strikes and about 3 or 4 runs over 6 innings. He couldn't do that against a pretty crappy line-up. The kid is a kid. A year ago at this time, he was in A ball or just getting promoted to AA. He needs time. My only hope is that while he is up here, he can at least keep us in the games he pitches. Tonight the offense bailed his ass out big time.

The good news is we found a way to win. That's what this team does. There really shouldn't be any complaining around here (haha), but decent analysis of BMac's struggles is relevant. Just don't let it get in the way of enjoying victory #47.

boiler up

06-21-2005, 01:33 AM

hot damn, my dad and brothers were at the game, but i wasn't <img><img>

Ozzie: Hey!
Loan Shark: You again!?!?
Ozzie: &*$#! I need a big one tonight
LS: Whaddaya mean big? What's big?
Ozzie: I need a $#@%! 10-spot tonight!
LS: WHAAAT?!?! A 10-SPOT? Are you NUTS?
Ozzie: Hey man, I gotta @#$%! rookie going and these @#$%&! Royals have been tearing it up! If they blow us the #$@! out, we both look bad!
LS: Hey, I don't look nuttin', pal! You keep me the @#$! out of this. Da juice is goin' large on this...
Ozzie: Hey, the old #$%@! is good for it. Thanks!

Jerome

06-21-2005, 02:02 AM

grrr i've hated vizcaino from the moment he joined the team!

the guy is batting practice

I'm ignorantly saying that w/o the benefit of stats, it's just that whenever he's in it seems like a home run is never far behind.

great win though maybe this will silence the idiots who keep calling us a smallball team

and i like how our 6th starter this year is better the 5th last year.

doublem23

06-21-2005, 02:05 AM

...is better the 5th last year.

Not much of a feat, but I guess no one's looked at it that way yet. :cool:

scottjanssens

06-21-2005, 02:10 AM

and i like how our 6th starter this year is better the 5th last year.

McCarthey certainly has more potential than anyone in the 5th slot last season, but since he hasn't won a game yet I don't think it's accurate to say he's better. Only a matter of time though. Hopefully it'll be Sunday against the Cubs and I'll be there to see it.

owensmouth

06-21-2005, 02:12 AM

Good game tonight. When we play Kansas City, we do seem to make them interesting. Tuesday is Grienke. I hope we don't wait until the last at bat to have some reliever walk in the winning run. Grienke seems to save his best for the White Sox.

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 02:14 AM

McCarthey certainly has more potential than anyone in the 5th slot last season, but since he hasn't won a game yet I don't think it's accurate to say he's better. Only a matter of time though. Hopefully it'll be Sunday against the Cubs and I'll be there to see it.

I don't think our 5th spot won a game last year. He has, however pitched very well in his first game and the team won in his third. I think that is better than our 5th hole last year.

scottjanssens

06-21-2005, 02:17 AM

I don't remember the exact number, but they won a handful, maybe less. It wasn't until the 2nd half of the season if I reacall.

Mark'sBrokenFoot

06-21-2005, 02:21 AM

I'll have to take your word on it that it hasn't always been that way. It must be only when I watch games. You are not thinking clearly if you honestly think that the Braves trio in the '90s got almost 100% of the borderline calls. RJ and The Rocket never get squeezed.

I don't know what the calls were tonight, I didn't watch the game. I was just responding to someone else's post that he would have had more ks if were MB on the mound.

First off, the Braves got a lot of calls, but it wasn't "almost 100%." 100% of the calls you saw on ESPN went the Braves way because it was a big joke. When something is a big joke, you don't accept it, you fix it.

Which brings us to point 2. Maybe you missed the fight between the umps and the MLB over those umping machines in the stadiums. When the umps lost that fight and the MLB started watching the called strikes vs. the machine, they found out that most umps weren't doing such a bad job of things after all. They know the strike zone and they are capable of calling it when they want to. They just need to be motivated to do things right.

As for this game, McCarthy was being squeezed at times, and at times he was wild. One fed off the other. I'm sure he'll get better whether or not the umps know his name.

elrod

06-21-2005, 02:31 AM

Am I wrong or were a lot of B-Mac's big run-scoring hits either bloopers or just beyond the reach of the glove? He could very well have gotten through this game giving up 3 runs. He wasn't unfortunate in the strike zone. He was unfortunate in where the ball landed - especially the Teahan hit. Even Stairs' double to left was nearly caught by Podsednik. B-Mac needs to strike more batters out to be successful, but he did get more ground balls this time and didn't get taken deep.

The only player I'm disappointed in is Vizcaino. His sliders were just awful. He should be sent down because he adds nothing to this team. He can't eat innings. He can't pitch short relief. He just doesn't have it. Meanwhile, we have a AAA closer with a 1.00 ERA in Charlotte's bandbox. Time to shuffle those around.

The positive development of the night on the pitching front was Shingo. Not only did he get the hitter to swing early and ground weakly to 3rd, but he got ahead right away. Getting him back will be key down the stretch. The other key was Hermy's solid outing. It's nice to see him put those tought outings against LAA and SD behind him. He really does have the "closer's mentality".

scottjanssens

06-21-2005, 02:35 AM

Shingo's last outing was positive as well. Hopefully this is the start of a trend.

Cubbiesuck13

06-21-2005, 02:36 AM

First off, the Braves got a lot of calls, but it wasn't "almost 100%." 100% of the calls you saw on ESPN went the Braves way because it was a big joke. When something is a big joke, you don't accept it, you fix it.

Which brings us to point 2. Maybe you missed the fight between the umps and the MLB over those umping machines in the stadiums. When the umps lost that fight and the MLB started watching the called strikes vs. the machine, they found out that most umps weren't doing such a bad job of things after all. They know the strike zone and they are capable of calling it when they want to. They just need to be motivated to do things right.

As for this game, McCarthy was being squeezed at times, and at times he was wild. One fed off the other. I'm sure he'll get better whether or not the umps know his name.

So when the game was on ESPN the umps would give them the call? I don't think I am understanding point number 1. For point number 2, are you talking about the same machine that Schilling took a bat to? It seems at least one big pitcher was used to getting calls that were generous. I don't think it is right that they get those but they do and if I can accept the wild card, interleague play and ShaME* then this is no problem.

Those calls that are borderline will be called strikes when you earn the reputation as a guy who throws strikes.

JB98

06-21-2005, 02:56 AM

The key to this win was Neal Cotts. He came in and restored order in the sixth inning. McCarthy and Vizcaino were both terrible. There's no way to sugarcoat it. I knew we were going to continue to score runs off the horrible Kansas City pitchers, but we needed someone to come in from our bullpen and stop the bleeding. Neal was that guy. He's doing a helluva job for us.

I'm also encouraged by what Shingo did tonight. He only had one batter to get out, and he got right after Berroa. No screwing around. No falling behind in the count. He threw three strikes and got his ground-ball out. Well done.

This isn't the best Sox team I've seen player for player, but by far the best Sox "team" I've ever seen put together.
:bandance:

This isn't the best sox offense I've seen player for player, but it is one of the best pitching staffs player for player.

That said, the offense isn't exactly a weak point.

infohawk

06-21-2005, 10:10 AM

Pretty ugly outing by McCarthy, though... eh, we still won.

He's had a rough time in the majors so far, but I think the Sox can afford to give him a couple more chances. I'd like to see him pitch when he has command of both his curve and fastball. He couldn't locate his curve last night, and, if I remember correctly, he couldn't locate his fastball earlier in the season. The good news is that I don't think he has yet had his really good stuff, so it isn't like he is getting shelled with his best pitches.

I think soon the mods will yell at us for taking up so much room for showing the lead in supernanas because the lead will be too large.:)

jhill36

06-21-2005, 10:27 AM

I love each and every one of you guys as if you came from my own loin.

:bandance:

Uh...thanks for the visual. :)

ramorgan1

06-21-2005, 10:32 AM

i love being 10-3 at games i've been to. winning is AWESOME.

Palehose13

06-21-2005, 10:37 AM

I would love to see 55 wins going into the Allstar game. That would motivate me enough to get to chicaago to see a few games.

I don't think that has to be in deep pink. There are 17 games before the all-star break. To only be at 55, they would have to go 8-9 til the break. I suggest you start making travel plans. :wink:

Hmmm...HomeRoe...

I wasn't sure how many people would know what "roe" was. I was thinking about larva, but that wouldn't be biologically correct. Caviar was also a thought. :cool:

surfdudes

06-21-2005, 10:48 AM

It's too bad McCarthy wasn't able to at least pick up the win. It's still to early to get a read but you hoped he would have done better against a poor K.C. club (although they have been 12-6 in their last 18 games under Bell heading into tonight.)

He'll get a few more starts but he simply may not be ready to make the jump. We'll see. As I posted yesterday this is why The Duke's situation coming up when it did isn't all bad.

Williams has time to evaluate and if needed cut a deal.

Lip

Exactly. He may not be ready, but I do like how this teams timing has been. In other years I would expect the El Duque situation to crop up in the middle of a tight race, after all star break, at the time when somebody who had a hot bat went on the DL. we The press is saying El Duque is in Kenny's doghouse for not being forthright enough about his condition, hopefully if need be, Kenny will cut a deal, and McCarthy can come up in September without affecting the roster and get some starts while the Sox rest some regulars after they clinch on the 2nd.

Flight #24

06-21-2005, 10:49 AM

This isn't the best sox offense I've seen player for player, but it is one of the best pitching staffs player for player.

That said, the offense isn't exactly a weak point.

Since the return of one Frank Thomas, the team's been operating at a .342OBP and an .820 OPS (6th best in MLB). That's following up on May, when they were .326OBP (16th in MLB) / .754OPS (13th in MLB).

The moral of the story: the "all pitch, little-hit" story is way way overtold. Sox are an average to above average offensive team and a great pitching team. They were horrible offensively in April, but thankfully that means nothing once the calendar shifts off that month. The averages are dragged down by that start, which is misleading.

This is a VERY well balanced team, which means they're likely to keep up their current pace.

Given that no team ever in the history of MLB has come back to win their division after being down by 10 games at any time in the season...No kidding? Wow. So it could all be over by next week? [no teal]

voodoochile

06-21-2005, 06:29 PM

No kidding? Wow. So it could all be over by next week? [no teal]

I remember hearing that stat sometime in the last few years. I cannot tell you where or when or who told it to me, but it stuck...

ilsox7

06-21-2005, 06:30 PM

I remember hearing that stat sometime in the last few years. I cannot tell you where or when or who told it to me, but it stuck...

Party at my place if we go up 10 games after beating the Cub.

chidonez

06-21-2005, 06:56 PM

Given that no team ever in the history of MLB has come back to win their division after being down by 10 games at any time in the season I personally figure 10 bananas will be enough...

Today, I settle for 8...

Hi res:

http://sombrasil.ig.com.br/centralmp3/images/bananas.jpg

Mark'sBrokenFoot

06-21-2005, 07:18 PM

So when the game was on ESPN the umps would give them the call? I don't think I am understanding point number 1.

ESPN shows highlights 6 out of 7 nights a week. What I meant, obviously, was that unless you watched all the Braves games, saying 100% of the calls went their way must have been based on ESPN highlights.

For point number 2, are you talking about the same machine that Schilling took a bat to? It seems at least one big pitcher was used to getting calls that were generous. I don't think it is right that they get those but they do and if I can accept the wild card, interleague play and ShaME* then this is no problem.

Those calls that are borderline will be called strikes when you earn the reputation as a guy who throws strikes.

Those machines didn't call a single game Schilling pitched in, or any major league game, for that matter. All his tantrum proved was that he thought he had a better chance with unmonitored umps. Schilling thinks a lot of things, most of them crazy.

mantis1212

06-21-2005, 07:24 PM

Only 10 taggies are permitted per post. The software will tell you to remove some if you try to post 11.

Given that no team ever in the history of MLB has come back to win their division after being down by 10 games at any time in the season I personally figure 10 bananas will be enough...

Hmmm, does that just mean since divisional play started? I just find that hard to believe... weren't the 69 Cubs up by like 15 games or something?

SoxSpeed22

06-21-2005, 07:32 PM

Hmmm, does that just mean since divisional play started? I just find that hard to believe... weren't the 69 Cubs up by like 15 games or something?I can't seem to find anything that says so. I looked on Baseball-Reference.com. The max I could find was a 9 game lead. We just have to remember not to go 8-17 in September with an 8 game losing streak.:redneck

Jjav829

06-21-2005, 07:44 PM

No kidding? Wow. So it could all be over by next week? [no teal]

And no team had ever come back from down 3-0 in the playoffs until last year...