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Kakashi's magic vest!

I'm curious to see what folks thoughts are regarding this item, but before doing so let me make one thing clear. I am not trying to point out errors or plotholes. In fact, I hope to show that the way in which this is occurring is not an accident or oversight by Kishimoto, but a large part of the story to be revealed later.

Here in 608 we have Kakashi's vest being slashed with an X across the front. It's kinda obvious, X marks the spot. It's huge and hard to miss.

The mark is in the subsequent panes for 608. Then in 609 we get a look at it and it's gone. It's gone in every subsequent panel for 609.

Now in 610 and, hey it's back again. No really clear shots of the front for the remainder of 610.

Now 611, and you guessed it, it's gone again. It remains gone in subsequent panels.

Now 612 and it actually is still missing. Not a lot of panels with Kakashi in this one but it is gone througout.

In 613 it is still missing and continues to be missed in subsequent panels.

In 614 it is still missing and you think well Kishimoto must have just forgotten about it at this point.

615 still missing.

616 still missing and it appears that Kishimoto is done drawing the X, and really why should he since it bears no significance to the story, right?

617 Wrong...

Any thoughts or theories? Clearly intentional and not an oversight IMO.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

It's probably just people forgetting. They have to rush to get all of the artwork done every week and i doubt something like Kakashi's vest being damaged is something they think is very important. Other than that, I don't know what the explanation could be.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

I noticed this as soon as I read 617 and it seriously disturbed me. Other oversights on Kishi's part were not as drastic as this one. Seeing this chapter makes me seriously question what is going on in Kishi's mind.

After seeing your theory on this matter in previous weeks, I knew this chapter would fuel the fire and get you talking about the subject again, and for good reason. I honestly can't understand what's going on anymore but despite this insane chapter, I still do not want to believe in your very original theory.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

Originally Posted by Floydical

I noticed this as soon as I read 617 and it seriously disturbed me. Other oversights on Kishi's part were not as drastic as this one. Seeing this chapter makes me seriously question what is going on in Kishi's mind.

After seeing your theory on this matter in previous weeks, I knew this chapter would fuel the fire and get you talking about the subject again, and for good reason. I honestly can't understand what's going on anymore but despite this insane chapter, I still do not want to believe in your very original theory.

Believe it!!!

Originally Posted by Melanee

Very fascinating! Though I thought I saw it in the pic in chapter 615, but just the tips.

It was debatable so I didn't include it.

Originally Posted by rikerslade

I think it's an error and someone must have pointed it out to him and he attempted to fix it.

Here's the problem with that theory. Same chapter 617 and suddenly no more X. If Kishimoto were trying to correct a mistake he had made he wouldn't forget it all of a sudden in the same chapter. It was intentional.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

Haha, you and this "temporal loop" theory man. I actually would enjoy seeing the story head in that direction, kind of like a Matrix type scenario, and I believe Kishi has been quoted saying he's a fan of those movies. If something like this does come to pass, I still think it will be related to Izanami (its the only thing even remotely related to your idea that we have seen in Naruto). I get that birth and rebirth is the basis of Buddhism, something that Kishi draws inspiriation from, but I still feel there was an eerie emphasis on the way Itachi explained Izanami. Speaking of eeire emphasis, I agree with you about the "X" on Kakashi's vest. When it happened, it just seemed strange, I don't know how to explain it. Something about all those Obito-Kakashi panels seemed weird and I think it was epitomized with the Obito slashing the X across Kakashi's chest. I know you have other examples for your argument, but again, something about that one page seemed like Kishi was trying to make that first X image stick in our heads, without us realizing it was going to.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

Originally Posted by Tebows Youth Group

Haha, you and this "temporal loop" theory man. I actually would enjoy seeing the story head in that direction, kind of like a Matrix type scenario, and I believe Kishi has been quoted saying he's a fan of those movies. If something like this does come to pass, I still think it will be related to Izanami (its the only thing even remotely related to your idea that we have seen in Naruto). I get that birth and rebirth is the basis of Buddhism, something that Kishi draws inspiriation from, but I still feel there was an eerie emphasis on the way Itachi explained Izanami. Speaking of eeire emphasis, I agree with you about the "X" on Kakashi's vest. When it happened, it just seemed strange, I don't know how to explain it. Something about all those Obito-Kakashi panels seemed weird and I think it was epitomized with the Obito slashing the X across Kakashi's chest. I know you have other examples for your argument, but again, something about that one page seemed like Kishi was trying to make that first X image stick in our heads, without us realizing it was going to.

Itachi was definetly telling us something by revealing Izanami, but the problem that I have with Izanami being the answer is that it requires the castor to observe when to start and stop the loop, and even then the genjutsu loop is confined to a single person like Kabuto. There is no single person or thing in Narutoverse that could observe the entire timeline and everyone would have to be affected by it.

Re: Kakashi's magic vest!

Originally Posted by Gyakusetsu

Itachi was definetly telling us something by revealing Izanami, but the problem that I have with Izanami being the answer is that it requires the castor to observe when to start and stop the loop, and even then the genjutsu loop is confined to a single person like Kabuto. There is no single person or thing in Narutoverse that could observe the entire timeline and everyone would have to be affected by it.

Eh, I think with the Juubi as a catalyst, something like that would be possible. I get your point about observing the "stop" to the loop the first time the cycle was started, but if something like this were to happen, it would have to be more of why its in a loop rather than when its starts over. For instance with Kabuto, he cannot escape the loop until he accepts who he is, with the entire world, it cannot escape the loop until it _________ (whatever the circumstances are). A specific ending point isnt exactly necessary.