I don't think this thread had anything to do with it. One poster encouraged another annoying poster from the Addiction thread to come into the Twitter thread and make waves. He was quickly booted out and then several of us argued about it in the Addiction thread. As far as I know, that's all there was.

I don't think this thread had anything to do with it. One poster encouraged another annoying poster from the Addiction thread to come into the Twitter thread and make waves. He was quickly booted out and then several of us argued about it in the Addiction thread. As far as I know, that's all there was.

No this thread has thus far remained civil.

Why even argue about it? I really don't get why you and few others here bother with the "Others". You aren't going to change their minds, you aren't going to win so what's the point?

Don't believe it's one thing but the accumulation of many. There are at least 3 mods I could name that are way too overly sensitive to have mod powers. This, combined with the overly sensitive nature of the 41 (proven by the "they don't wave at me" "roadies are arrogant snobs' threads) I'm sure the constant whining that some adult male had his feelings hurt has finally reached a point where Tom has just had enough. I don't blame him, I would have shut this place (BF) down months ago.

I don't think this thread had anything to do with it. One poster encouraged another annoying poster from the Addiction thread to come into the Twitter thread and make waves. He was quickly booted out and then several of us argued about it in the Addiction thread. As far as I know, that's all there was.

You and me both brotha. My 41 breaking point came when I had to spend over a page defending my saddle/bar drop to the self proclaimed fit expert in the 41 (he called me a liar). The original thread question got so derailed that I just gave up and haven't really been back since...there have been several threads that I could have lent first hand experience too but I really don't see the point in engaging in a discussion that is 90% wrong and the 10% that isn't gets lost in the 'argument'.

I frequent both forums. The 41 is for self-entertainment mostly these days, and to occasionally exercise my need to *****-slap the morans. But here, it's read-only out of respect.

IMO, there was more than one over there egging on the useless idiot: several that would be no surprise, and perhaps one that would. It appears to me that some of the cross-forum conflicts are old beefs carried over, and some are just self-indulgent versions of "lets you and him fight".

Regardless, I think the mods have done the right thing by reacting quickly. Back to lurking...

I frequent both forums. The 41 is for self-entertainment mostly these days, and to occasionally exercise my need to *****-slap the morans.But here, it's read-only out of respect.

IMO, there was more than one over there egging on the useless idiot: several that would be no surprise, and perhaps one that would. It appears to me that some of the cross-forum conflicts are old beefs carried over, and some are just self-indulgent versions of "lets you and him fight".

Regardless, I think the mods have done the right thing by reacting quickly. Back to lurking...

It goes both ways guys. It isn't like the complainers don't have a point. There is simply no need for any of it. Don't like something click out of it. If it's over a line then report it. But the ceaseless back and forth simply harshes on everyone's enjoyment of the forum.

I race my bike, and post somewhat frequently in the 33. Because thats where my interest lies...
This issue has been building for a while...no surprise. Lets not pretend there isnt particular 33ers who like to argue, and/or brow-beat people in the 41 who may be less experienced or knowledgeable...I brought this up a few weeks back in the twitter thread, we all know how "varied" the discussions can be over there, but its come to be commonplace to come back to this side and complain about it. Pretty stupid really.

This thread should be renamed. Something along the lines of "The Non-Racer Questions Thread"

Problem solved. If this thread remains as civil and informative as it has been then it will be a great option for those who have legitimate questions and are interested in different opinions without the thread devolving into nonsense, this is something the 41 lacks which is why I rarely ask anything there.

My ass hurts. We're going on five years. Specifically the inner thigh where the nerves and vessels start heading down the leg. Oh yeah, and when I go to the poor man aerobars position (or whatever it's called) I last about 1 minute before everything is completely numb. I know no one can help me with this...I just want to share.

Really, has anyone used the MTB saddle - Phenom, to train and race with, on the road? I switched to the Romin (from the Toupe) about 6 months ago. Its turning out to be another fail. Toupe is the closest to no pain I've ridden, till it starts to sag. I'm hoping the Phenom, which is similar shape, is a little more sturdy and will stay solid without the bend that drives me to the brink.

- signed, tired of buying saddles.

any opinons refugees?

I have a similar problem; have not been able to get comfy on the saddle this year. No matter how many tiny fwd/aft adjustments I make.

Then I realized, it's not just about the relationship to the pedal / BB. The hips and the entire power deliver chain are interconnected, so for example if I'm out of whack in my psoas, that affects my hammy tightness.

I need to get back into yoga classes.

Also, I'm a fan of the now discontinued E3 saddle. Anybody have any laying around they don't need?

I'm sorry if Tom's sticky was not clear. Apparently some of you are so busy doing your thing - staying above the fray - that you didn't notice (or got accustomed to) all of the sniping and pot shots that have been going on all summer between the 41 and the 33. Well that's a good thing . . . staying above the fray, that is. The sniping is not.

For examples, if you wish not to look in the 41 then just look in the 33's Twitter thread. Virtually every day one or more individuals has to speak up about how "stupid" the 41 is. Routinely. Every day. And it breeds resentment and anger and feuds . . . and it has to stop. In BOTH directions.

It doesn't matter who started it. It's gotten out of hand after simmering all summer and it has to stop. It's a bad image for the forums in general, it's harassing, it's trolling, and it's high maintenance. Enough with all this. It's unnecessary. If you just cannot ignore a "stupid" post without speaking out on it then you may find yourself in trouble. Infractions will be issued for violations. You can THINK derisively about anyone and anything you want, but the verbal bashing of other people and other groups will no longer be tolerated.

Sorry I had to be the heavy, just trying to answer some questions.

This thread, per se, is not the problem, although a name change wouldn't hurt. There's no need to close it.

Where else but the internet can a bunch of cyclists go and be the tough guy? - - jdon

I'm sorry if Tom's sticky was not clear. Apparently some of you are so busy doing your thing - staying above the fray - that you didn't notice (or got accustomed to) all of the sniping and pot shots that have been going on all summer between the 41 and the 33. Well that's a good thing . . . staying above the fray, that is. The sniping is not.

For examples, if you wish not to look in the 41 then just look in the 33's Twitter thread. Virtually every day one or more individuals has to speak up about how "stupid" the 41 is. Routinely. Every day. And it breeds resentment and anger and feuds . . . and it has to stop. In BOTH directions.

It doesn't matter who started it. It's gotten out of hand after simmering all summer and it has to stop. It's a bad image for the forums in general, it's harassing, it's trolling, and it's high maintenance. Enough with all this. It's unnecessary. If you just cannot ignore a "stupid" post without speaking out on it then you may find yourself in trouble. Infractions will be issued for violations. You can THINK derisively about anyone and anything you want, but the verbal bashing of other people and other groups will no longer be tolerated.

Sorry I had to be the heavy, just trying to answer some questions.

This thread, per se, is not the problem, although a name change wouldn't hurt. There's no need to close it.

possibly dehydration. drink more. add some endurolytes to your bottles too, the heat has been killer the last three months and you could be just suffering the effects. I use the hammer enduralytes, I break open one cap per bottle and mix it in.

edited to add: saw your follow-up, how long was your ride? even though it's been "cooler" in the mornings, the humidity has been so fecking high (at least here a whopping 70 miles west of you) that I'm going through ~2 bottles in 90 minutes right now.

possibly dehydration. drink more. add some endurolytes to your bottles too, the heat has been killer the last three months and you could be just suffering the effects. I use the hammer enduralytes, I break open one cap per bottle and mix it in.

edited to add: saw your follow-up, how long was your ride? even though it's been "cooler" in the mornings, the humidity has been so fecking high (at least here a whopping 70 miles west of you) that I'm going through ~2 bottles in 90 minutes right now.

I only rode 28 miles, at a steady pace. I was out for about 1:45 total, with stops and all. I don't add as much G2 powder as the tub suggests, but maybe I'll start mixing it with a higher concentration.