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News, analysis and commentary from someone who has covered the Washington Nationals since Day 1Tue, 03 Mar 2015 23:39:40 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: HHoverhttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12833
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:24:43 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12833Oops – that was directed at Anon @ 2:08.
]]>By: HHoverhttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12830
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:19:43 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12830Anon @ 3:15 – re: Jackson- he consistently walks way fewer batters than he strikes outUm, most MLB pitchers walk fewer batters than they strike out, and so the question is, what's the ratio. For Jackson, over his career, it's 1.6 K/BB; this year, he's slightly better, about 1.7. Stammen, Livo, and Olsen all have as good or better career ratios.Since he's supposed to excel as a hard throwing strikeout pitcher who gets a lot of Ks–and he does–that means he gives up a *lot* of BBs. Only 3 pitchers in all of MLB have more this season.His career WHIP is not the impressive-1.51, which is higher than Livo, Olsen, Lannan, and Craig Stammen.Jackson also has more starts (131) than all of them but Livo, and he'll be a FA in 2012. In other words, he's not a newbie with tons left to figure out. Might he get substantially better? Sure. But he's had plenty of time to improve, and if he hasn't yet, expecting big changes at this point is a low odds bet.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12797
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:28:27 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12797Why the complaints about Ramos? He was 8 for 27 with 3 doubles and an RBI while filling in for the best catcher in the game Joe Mauer, that is pretty darn good, he only struck out 3 times during his short stinit in the majors. In his minor league career, keep in mind he didnt start playing in the US until he was 18: 1400 AB, 36 HR, 211 RBI, .284 BA, .758 OPS, not shabby for a 23 year old. His fielding is supurb, throwing out 45% of runner for his career and 50% this year. He has only made 22 errors in 2220 chances. He also has played some 1B and although the sample set is small he only made 1 error in 99 chances. Let's give the kid a chance and welcome him with open arms when he makes his debut in September at Nats Park.
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Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:22:00 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12793http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/4585/twins-make-classic-error-overpay-for-saves
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12787
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:53:23 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12787Here is a sample of how the trade is viewed outside nats nation:James (Minnesota)Is Matt Capps all we could get for Wilson Ramos? I know Matt was an all star, but relief pitchers are so volatile. Earlier this year we were talking about getting Lee or Haren for a package centered around Ramos.Jayson Stark (1:15 PM)People I've talked to today are shocked the Twins gave up Ramos for Capps. Shaky bullpens make teams do crazy things this time of year. And while I usually have tremendous faith in the Twins' judgment, I don't understand this one. Ramos projects as a No. 5 type hitter, possibly lower in a great lineup, who can lead a staff and plays with great energy. I'd have a tough, tough time giving up a player like that for any bullpen arm — but especially somebody who got nontendered just last winter!
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Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:44:14 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12781Agree with Steve M. @12:56. Rizzo has been good. Great GMs have to make the playoffs as winning consistently is the objective.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12777
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:21:20 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12777Looks like the prescription for periculum's meds has expired again.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12773
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:15:38 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12773John Sickels scouting report. Find one pitcher @Raymitten named above that ever got this kind of report?Edwin Jackson was drafted in the sixth round in 2001, out of high school in Columbus, Ga., where he was better known as a position player. But the Dodgers liked his arm strength, and felt his athleticism would help him develop consistent mechanics. So far, the decision to make Jackson a full-time pitcher looks inspired. He has one of the best fastballs in the system, hitting 95 mph at times, with movement. He also has a very good slider. His curveball and changeup are inconsistent, but both have promise. Jackson's command is excellent. He throws strikes with regularity, and his mechanics are both clean and consistent, which helps keep his command in gear. He has a good feel for pitching, needing only additional experience to round out his package of skills. He sometimes struggles to find his rhythm in the first inning, a common problem for young pitchers, and one that should ease with seasoning. Jackson's athleticism helps him on defense, and in time he has a chance to be less helpless as a hitter than most pitchers.
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Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:12:45 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12772Oh and @Raymitten, @Richard? Jackson also did something none of your sample of pitchers ever did and perhaps never will. He was an All Star.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12771
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:10:40 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12771Only Lannan can throw a fast ball in the low nineties. OOOOOOpppps my bad meant to say Stammen can throw a fast ball in thelow nineties.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12770
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:08:22 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12770Given that Willingham will be under team control next year … Raymitten, Richard? I suspect that you will see him and not Dunn going to the WhiteSox. Rizzo has already told them he would not trade Dunn unless Beckham was involved. Remember? Yes Mr. RayMitten, Gordon Beckham a superb young middle infielder would be the right rate of exchange for one Adam Dunn. Mr. Beckham also has power and an upside that Adam Dunn cannot be given because of his age. He is also a superlative fielder which Adam Dunn is not. If you think Rizzo would trade Dunn 1 for 1 for Beckham? NO. He wants a potential top-of-the-rotation power pitcher. You see he is making a collection of them.Again @raymitten, you make these amazing ludicrous assertions????? What in the world are you thinking? What games are you watching from those ST seats you often speak of? Are you watching the weather channel instead of the game?They already have Lannan, Martin, Stammen, Atilano, et. al to fill those roles. I'd rather Miss Iowa pitch than Edwin Jackson — let alone trading Dunn for him!!Dude, Jackson has a fast ball that goes well over 95 and he is only 26 years old. All of the guys you listed are close to the same age. Only Lannan can throw a fast ball in the low nineties. And I am a JD Martin fan. Last year Jackson pitched for Detroit (remember he is about the same age as the pitchers you listed) in his 3rd year in an MLB starting rotation. Jackson finished 13-9 with an ERA of 3.62 over 214 innings. He had 70 walks against 161 strikeouts. Name one pitcher you listed above who has pitched that well once in their major league career? Lannan, their defacto ace in the beginning of 2010 hasn't even gotten there yet? Yes he has had "mixed" results but he consistently walks way fewer batters than he strikes out. That shows promise and potential. And he can throw with Stras and Jordan Zimmermann.
]]>By: Steve M.http://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12769
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:58:33 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12769I think the fanbase probably 5 to 1 dig the longball which equates to those that also want Dunn here for a few more years—-but I could be wrong.Maybe a poll is in order to see what the NatsInsider readers want with Adam.
]]>By: alexvahttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12768
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:50:50 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12768"Does anyone tend to think Riggleman tends to overmanage?"Is Ed "Too Tall" Jones really too tall?
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12767
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:36:42 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12767Does anyone think Riggleman tends to overmanage? Maybe Bobby Valentine is available, or how about Alan Trammel?
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Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:33:43 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12766Great move, Mike Rizzo! Please keep Dunn and Willingham, maybe concentrate on getting a solid second baseman for 2011. Harper will be signed and in THE SHOW by 2012, giving the Nats a power-hitting rightfielder. In a couple of years, Nationals Park will be really rockin'
]]>By: Davidhttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12765
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:08:14 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12765greg,I don't think we disagree. Some people post as if they were the owners or GM, I generally don't. I'm trying to read what I think Rizzo will do. Morgan is Rizzo's first big trade and and like it or not he will be given every opportunity to fail,(yea I know he already has). Morgan does have his limitations and as I have posted before if the Nationals intend to use him as a lead-off hitter and center fielder they will be sadly disappointed. Rizzo looks at teams like the Padres and Reds and sees teams with limited payrolls that have turned around quickly on pitching and defense. I have seen it reported and actually heard Rizzo say that it is very important for the Nationals to increase their number of wins and improve both their defense and pitching. Many people believe that Riggleman is deciding the exact amount of playing time each player gets without input from Rizzo this is just not the case. Everybody works for somebody and everyone need to keep their boss happy especially if they are new on the job. I have not agreed on every move Rizzo has made but at least the moves he has made shows that he can identify the problem areas. I also don't know the limitation that have been placed on him. Teams are built in the off-season and tweaked thereafter. I know the Nationals are a frustrating team to watch being a season ticket holder, but most of the players are actually performing to their given talent its just that their not that talented. NatsJack in Florida nice story on Capps and well played on Morgan playing hockey.
]]>By: Matthttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12764
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:57:56 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12764Buy low, sell high. Well done Rizzo.
]]>By: Steve M.http://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12763
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:56:46 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12763People, the real satisfaction with a trade comes after you can evaluate the end result. If Ramos can step in and contribute and be a good player then this will probably be a good trade.Matt Capps is a good young man. Strangely he looks a lot older than he is. I also didn't know him but got to see him doing the little things on and off the field that made him a good pickup.When I went through last month the Rizzo scorecard for Rizzo's tenure, I think Matt Capps was his best Free Agent deal. Last year, the Nyjer, Burnett, Hanrahan, Milledge was his best trade. Strasburg his best signing.On the bad side of the ledger, Marquis, Bruney and Adam Kennedy are all disasters while OHudson was there for the taking and leaving the team with Justin Maxwell as the RF solution cost this team until Bernadina was properly promoted. As Riggleman's boss, Rizzo has failed to correct this Lannan, Willie Harris, Kennedy, and JMax situation and the team has suffered. The bench was weak with AGonzo and Morse as the only decent bench players.I will also point out like I did in March that Ivan Rodriguez was a great pickup but like Willingham can't be overused. With no suitable backup and relying on JFlores to make it back, the catcher position has suffered and Pudge's stats have plummeted. I think Ramos solves that problem but again too late to help in 2010.So Rizzo is doing a good job but not a great job. I will feel better when Adam Dunn is signed to a decent 3 year deal that will still leave money to get the 2nd baseman this team has needed and maybe they sign a good RH outfielder in Free Agency.
]]>By: Bote Manhttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12762
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:52:16 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12762And so after 50 years D.C. baseball players continue to head towards Minneapolis.I like this trade.
]]>By: Richardhttp://natsinsider.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12761
Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:49:25 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/buzzword-to-this-trade-value#comment-12761BTW, THANK YOU RAYMITTEN! You said it best at 12:42.
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