Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
So we got a problem. Too many people making runs. Especially freaked out by the ones in the title, never expected them to cross double digits. Which of these players should play T20s for Bangladesh and why? Who will they replace? Ke kaar bhaat marbe?

A poll could be helpful?

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Originally Posted by shakibrulz
I don't think that's a fair generalization. Almost all Aussie players play BBL and many IPL. Same with English players - Root, Bairstow, Buttler etc.

Such leagues can be actually beneficial if management is good and they don't ignore FC cricket. At least in BPL domestic players get a much tougher challenge facing an attack as close to Intl. standard as it can get. And BD has done better in ODIs since BPL IMHO.

As for them failing - maybe, maybe not. I agree that this is no good indicator of how they'll fare in the long run though. But still it's something for them to showcase their talents.

It is a fair generalization.

1) I wouldn't compare BBL and other leagues to the IPL/BPL/SLPL/PSL/CLT20. BBL is just the natural progressions of domestic leagues and domestic cricket. All these premier leagues are artificial instruments of making as much money as possible.There's nothing wrong with capitalism and the profit-motive, but when nothing else matters you will see bad results. Any league where the teams are franchised and a significant chunk of players are foreign, is the IPL model and is so far a recipe only for disaster.

2) Once India's pre-T20 era players retired, most of them, Kumble/Dada/Dravid/Laxman they were replaced by who? IPL stars. These guys are rocking the IPL, why are they doing so poorly in Test cricket? Its because there is no relation to PL cricket and traditional cricket. Pakistan has very little of this Premier League cricket and in recent times they've done quite well in the Test stage. Any failures they might experience now, you have to remember that they're missing two of the finest seam bowlers in the current game and could make games out of even modest totals.

3) All this fascination with PL cricket has caused SL to cut several Test matches from their 2013 schedule. No team, let alone Bangladesh, can expect to do well in Test cricket if that is not a priority.

If Australia, England follow the BCCI's lead, then they too will suffer the exact same fate. But here's the thing shakibrulz. If India sucks, and Australia suck, and England suck due to PL cricket, everyone's relative performance will be the same as before and it will be impossible to tell if cricket has been hampered.

Fortunately, right now there is only one top team that has a premier league, and incidentally that team has a wretched time in their last dozen Tests spanning 18 months.

I disagree heavily that BPL bowling attacks are somehow closer to international standard. The only int'l level bowlers in the BPL are Tait, Shapoor, Thomas and a handful of spinners like Enamul, Saqlain, and Shohag...who play in NCL and BCL too. Hooking Danza Hyatt for six isn't even in the same league as playing a mediocre bowler like VRV Singh.

Its too early to tell if our 2012 success is due to BPL or not. I would like to think that logic would dictate that its natural progression. How could BPL improve our ODI game, when it hasn't even improved our T20 game?

For that matter its also too early to tell if India's woes are partly to blame on the IPL. If India continues to struggle way more than expected over the next 24 months, then I think it will be a very easy diagnosis. India would be expected to win around least half of their Tests in the next 2 years, if they win a third or less, then its the IPL.

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
All these players will fail miserably in int'l T20 cricket and fail so badly its going to be hilarious. As I've always said, we should forget about T20, BPL, IPL, ShitPL, etc. Focus on ODI so we can do something productive in 2015 and focus on Tests because SL, WI, NZ are all beatable teams and if we can't win a couple tests in the next few years we have only ourselves to blame.

India should be proof positive of the harms of garbage cricket on the real forms of the game.

i agree, already some players are carrying niggle from this league, they dont have the fitness to play so many back to back games in a short period of time

Leave Nafees to domestics. As Gowza said in another thread, there is no point in re-introducing an experienced player to international when we see no improvement in his techniques (especially for a top order batsman).

Millon ghaer jore khele. Not sure if his power and reflex alone will be good enough for international. Let him work with McInnes for now.

Naeem is an enigma to me. He has both reflex and techniques to be successful at international cricket, at any format. Only thing he lacks from time to time is confidence in his abilities. May be he just needs more time and assurance of a regular place in the national team to settle.

I am excited for both Aumi and Shubho, both seems to be coming of age.

Sabbir? May be we should ask him to show some consistency in DPL, and in any upcoming A-team/Academy team tour, before considering for national. He is most likely one for future, but may need little bit more grooming.

Originally Posted by Eshen
Leave Nafees to domestics. As Gowza said in another thread, there is no point in re-introducing an experienced player to international when we see no improvement in his techniques (especially for a top order batsman).

Millon ghaer jore khele. Not sure if his power and reflex alone will be good enough for international. Let him work with McInnes for now.

Naeem is an enigma to me. He has both reflex and techniques to be successful at international cricket, at any format. Only thing he lacks from time to time is confidence in his abilities. May be he just needs more time and assurance of a regular place in the national team to settle.

I am excited for both Aumi and Shubho, both seems to be coming of age.

Sabbir? May be we should ask him to show some consistency in DPL, and in any upcoming A-team/Academy team tour, before considering for national. He is most likely one for future, but may need little bit more grooming.

I agree about SN. I'd rather give a run to both Shamsur and Jahurul. SN has had many opportunities now in the national team and while he's played well occasionally, he hasn't performed as well as a specialist batsman should. He still has an average in the mid 20's after all these Tests and averages in the teens against G8 teams in ODI's. nothing to brag about so time to see if Jahurul and Shamsur can offer on setting better to the table.

Don't want to be harsh on Milon but him along with Zia don't seem to be batsmen to me. No temperament at all and just 1 trick ponies. Won't fly in the highest level.

Agree with Naeem. He can definitely be an asset for Tests and a serviceable backup for ODI's. just needs to have a more positive mindset when he bats but he's definitely improved as a batsman in recent times.

Shabbir should be in our T20 and ODIS team. I'd start him in T20's but I'd have him on he bench for ODIs. Have him debut against the Zimbabweans.

naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.

Originally Posted by Gowza
naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.

In ODI, he batted mostly in late order. Both Riyad and him takes longer time to settle thus unfit for late order positions.

However, I won't mind to see Jahurul given the #4 slot in ODI/T20 for now, instead of Naeem.

Originally Posted by Eshen
In ODI, he batted mostly in late order. Both Riyad and him takes longer time to settle thus unfit for late order positions.

However, I won't mind to see Jahurul given the #4 slot in ODI/T20 for now, instead of Naeem.

but there were plenty of times where naeem had enough time to bat his way in and score runs but he didn't manage it. believe me i was one of the people saying he's batting to low he is being used incorrectly that's why he's not succeeding. but really at the end of the day he had enough chances coming in with a good amount of overs and he couldn't take advantage. a quality player is still going to do ok and he did actually start off ok but he managed to drop his average from over 30 to under 25, he's played 45 ODI innings. now i'm not saying he should never ever play the shorter formats, and he may be better now than he was back then but atm there isn't a place for him, he had an opportunity up the order against WI and despite having scored an unbeaten 50 he still managed to only average 20 across his 4 innings.

Again, agree with you Gowza. We now have plenty of middle order options go around, so picking different batsman for different format does make sense. It will also help us to develop a better player pool.

Originally Posted by Gowza
naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.

He has a nickname "chhokka Naeem." But, that's not his style and he is not a good lower-order batsman. He should be a #4 or #5, but do the selectors understand this?