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I believe the Georgians cracked down on separatist rebels allied with Russia. It's questionable as to whether the Georgians were "in the right," but it's almost unquestionable that the Russians are "in the wrong."

It's a complex situation (as most of these situations are) involving multiple countries. To act as though this is just the US sending its military might into the region, and making some sort of connection between this and a draft is simply ignorant.

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It's a complex situation (as most of these situations are) involving multiple countries. To act as though this is just the US sending its military might into the region, and making some sort ofconnection between this and a draft is simply ignorant.

if the connection between 9-11 and iraq can be made, so can this one. i dont know why this seems so unreasonable. i dont think old W has any problem opening up the cold war again

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Conclusion: It is not a strectch of the imagination that reinstituting the Draft is considered by our government and military from time to time. However, they always revert back to the "An all volunteer Army is a better Army" theory.

if the connection between 9-11 and iraq can be made, so can this one. i dont know why this seems so unreasonable. i dont think old W has any problem opening up the cold war again

Two wrongs don't make a right, or something like that. What about Putin? You think he has any problem opening up the cold war again?

I echo the sentiments of djnemo here "Given how important this issue is it's a shame that this thread was framed as an attack on Bush, who really is a very minor player in this fiasco."

Look, my point is you don't like Bush. We all get it. A lot of people don't. But it minimizes legitimate resons to have issues with him when one posts something that is inaccurate or incomplete with the not so thinly veiled pretense to present an attack on him. I think it's a good thread you brought up but personally I feel your statements in the original post are entirely misleading and ignorant in several ways.

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Conclusion: It is not a strectch of the imagination that reinstituting the Draft is considered by our government and military from time to time. However, they always revert back to the "An all volunteer Army is a better Army" theory.

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The attacks on Bush in this thread are simply the most obvious reflection of politics we've seen on this board. Rather than understanding what is actually going on the lefties are seeing only what they want to see and quite honestly they're being seriously obtuse. I get that people don't like Bush and disagree with him but it is thinking like the examples shown here that make finding solutions for our problems so difficult. No one ever wants the "other side" to get any credit for anything and they work constantly to discredit them while not focusing on working for solutions. It comes from both sides but the attitude towards Bush is the most flagrant example. I thought the way the right went after Clinton was bad but I think the way the left goes after Bush is somewhat worse.

The attacks on Bush in this thread are simply the most obvious reflection of politics we've seen on this board. Rather than understanding what is actually going on the lefties are seeing only what they want to see and quite honestly they're being seriously obtuse. I get that people don't like Bush and disagree with him but it is thinking like the examples shown here that make finding solutions for our problems so difficult. No one ever wants the "other side" to get any credit for anything and they work constantly to discredit them while not focusing on working for solutions. It comes from both sides but the attitude towards Bush is the most flagrant example. I thought the way the right went after Clinton was bad but I think the way the left goes after Bush is somewhat worse.

I think it's really only one person in this thread, not the "lefties" as a whole.

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I think it's really only one person in this thread, not the "lefties" as a whole.

I agree, I generally don't take part in political threads on this site because of the incorrect statements like the one in the original post and the blanket statement FRPLG just made.

I think what's sad is that it seems that both sides have so polarized politics. I don't understand why every moderate has been basically forced to join the (I'd say) 3% of extremists on the edges of political reason. It makes no sense for parties to be so divisive toward one another.

I think that concept eludes closer to 100% of Americans (and everyone else around the world for that matter). Even those who champion the virtues of the UN want the U.S. to use its power unilaterally when the mood so strikes.

Take Kosovo and Bosnia as an example. For years, the left had talked about the need to work through international organizations to accomplish our foreign policy objectives because, after all, one day we would no longer be top dog. Then along came the breakup of Yugoslavia and some horrific crimes against humanity. The left wanted to take action but, alas, Russia threatened to veto any UN Security Council resolutions authorizing the use of force against their Serb allies. So what did the left do? They told the UN to go f' itself and bombed the Serbs without UN approval.

I don't mean to pick on the left. The right tends to care even less about the UN and international law.

My point in agreeing with saden1 is that you never hear the end of individuals in this country talking about how we should just "turn that desert into a sheet of glass" and how we could/should take down anybody that disagrees with us. But let some other country exert that same self-granted moral authority over another and we as citizens tend to get up in arms.

I'm not saying that Russia is right or wrong with their present course of action, but I think that if you look at the situation objectively, the conflict between Georgia and Russia is, from a very simplistic standpoint, fundamentally similar to the one we have with Iraq. Both countries (Russia and the US) are using a perceived injustice to justify their larger goal of regime change in another country. We can hide behind western morality all we like but the simple fact is that we have customarily used our superior military force to make changes to governments with views contrary to our own.

Were i able to read in Russian, I have no doubt that state-backed Newspapers/Media talk about how it is important to crush the terrorists (or whatever buzzword the Russian govt has chosen to identify those with whom it disagrees). I'm sure the drumbeat throughout Moscow right now is remarkably similar to the one heard in Washington during May of 2003. But because the aggressor in this case is ANYONE other than the United States, Great Britain or Israel, they are of course wrong.

I'm not being unpatriotic, I'm merely pointing out the extreme irony of the pot calling the kettle "black."

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Wow Dmek, once again putting on display for all the Warpath to see exactly how uneducated you are.

Pathetic attempt at a good topic.

one of these days, im going to pick up a book, or 2, so i can elevate my intelligence to somewhere near the level of someone like you. i know in my wildest dreams i could never achieve this greatness, but maybe i could be somewhere in the same area code. and thanks to saden, and firstdown, for not making it personal

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