I'll NOT have a vodka martini, shaken nor stirred...

Worldwide beer sales disagree. Allow me to point out that I wouldn't drink 80% of what sells either, but you're delusional if you don't think that the Pilsner/pale lager is what 9/10 people identify as "beer".

So, by this logic, since cola is the most popular style of soda, most people wouldn't identify Mountain Dew or Sprite as "soda." Or that, according to "worldwide sales," people wouldn't identify a nice juicy home cooked burger as a "burger" unless it was from McDonalds.

Right?

Of course not. The assertion is absurd.

If you're trying to say that it's the most popular style of beer, sure, it is. But what you actually said (twice) is that pilsners/pale ales are what people "identify as 'beer'". Which implies that they wouldn't identify any other style as "beer."

Worldwide beer sales disagree. Allow me to point out that I wouldn't drink 80% of what sells either, but you're delusional if you don't think that the Pilsner/pale lager is what 9/10 people identify as "beer".

So, by this logic, since cola is the most popular style of soda, most people wouldn't identify Mountain Dew or Sprite as "soda." Or that, according to "worldwide sales," people wouldn't identify a nice juicy home cooked burger as a "burger" unless it was from McDonalds.

Right?

Of course not. The assertion is absurd.

If you're trying to say that it's the most popular style of beer, sure, it is. But what you actually said (twice) is that pilsners/pale ales are what people "identify as 'beer'". Which implies that they wouldn't identify any other style as "beer."

i think you misunderstand him (or I do). Sounds to me like what he said was that what most people think of when you say 'beer' is one of those myriad pils/pale lager beers.

edit: this post brought to you by the Stone IPA I have sitting in front of me as I post from my local beer serving establishment

Worldwide beer sales disagree. Allow me to point out that I wouldn't drink 80% of what sells either, but you're delusional if you don't think that the Pilsner/pale lager is what 9/10 people identify as "beer".

So, by this logic, since cola is the most popular style of soda, most people wouldn't identify Mountain Dew or Sprite as "soda." Or that, according to "worldwide sales," people wouldn't identify a nice juicy home cooked burger as a "burger" unless it was from McDonalds.

Right?

Of course not. The assertion is absurd.

If you're trying to say that it's the most popular style of beer, sure, it is. But what you actually said (twice) is that pilsners/pale ales are what people "identify as 'beer'". Which implies that they wouldn't identify any other style as "beer."

Worldwide beer sales disagree. Allow me to point out that I wouldn't drink 80% of what sells either, but you're delusional if you don't think that the Pilsner/pale lager is what 9/10 people identify as "beer".

So, by this logic, since cola is the most popular style of soda, most people wouldn't identify Mountain Dew or Sprite as "soda." Or that, according to "worldwide sales," people wouldn't identify a nice juicy home cooked burger as a "burger" unless it was from McDonalds.

Right?

Of course not. The assertion is absurd.

If you're trying to say that it's the most popular style of beer, sure, it is. But what you actually said (twice) is that pilsners/pale ales are what people "identify as 'beer'". Which implies that they wouldn't identify any other style as "beer."

I made this argument a page ago.

You're arguing semantics. He's saying that the vast majority of people will think of that style of beer when beer is brought up. Being that it's, by far, the most popular style of beer, I'm not seeing how or why you'd argue with that statement. I'm like many here who enjoy craft beer and when someone asks me if I want to do happy hour, I generally think about beers I like based on season. Happy hour for me right now has me thinking Bell's Oberon. In the fall it's a darker beer. People like us are in the minority. Most would think Bud or Miller or Coors, etc.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

And I regularly buy cheap beer when using my Traeger. The tray full of beer I employ underneath my smoky creations ensures that everything stays moist and doesn't get too crusty on the underside.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

This++

I'll drink just about anything that's offered to me, because of the spirit in which it's offered.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

This++

I'll drink just about anything that's offered to me, because of the spirit in which it's offered.

Budweiser is not gross. Heineken is not gross. Boring, bland, waste of calories. Fizzy, cold, alcoholic.

Offered in hospitality or friendship. Drink it down. Ask for a pocket knife and make it a shotgun.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

This++

I'll drink just about anything that's offered to me, because of the spirit in which it's offered.

/me fistbumps The Sam. If we ever meet, The Sam, I will be the first to offer you a beer.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone.

That's completely different than choosing to drink one yourself. However, I do politely shift the drink offer to something else if someone's offering me something that I simply don't want to drink. It doesn't matter if it's beer or wine or soda or anything else.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone.

That's completely different than choosing to drink one yourself. However, I do politely shift the drink offer to something else if someone's offering me something that I simply don't want to drink. It doesn't matter if it's beer or wine or soda or anything else.

Agreed, which is why I followed that original statement with the one about buying cheap beer only for the use of keeping my briskets tender.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone.

That's completely different than choosing to drink one yourself. However, I do politely shift the drink offer to something else if someone's offering me something that I simply don't want to drink. It doesn't matter if it's beer or wine or soda or anything else.

Agreed, which is why I followed that original statement with the one about buying cheap beer only for the use of keeping my briskets tender.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

One superbowl, I put my hands on a mini-keg of Bell's Hopslam. That was a delicious mistake.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

One superbowl, I put my hands on a mini-keg of Bell's Hopslam. That was a delicious mistake.

We made that same mistake with Bell's Two Hearted. Not as much alcohol but that was one epic hangover. They should move the SB to Saturday so we can use Sunday for recovery, damnit!

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

One superbowl, I put my hands on a mini-keg of Bell's Hopslam. That was a delicious mistake.

We made that same mistake with Bell's Two Hearted. Not as much alcohol but that was one epic hangover. They should move the SB to Saturday so we can use Sunday for recovery, damnit!

I've been saying this since the late 80's. Nobody listens. Nobody cares.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

Man Law #43: You cannot complain about the type or brand of beer that is given to you by a friend. It is, however, perfectly acceptable to complain if it's too warm.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

A day of college football calls for a couple of oatmeal stouts with breakfast. By mid day give me a nice selection of well made beers of various styles. The only reason I can think of to drink domestic pilsner on game day is if one's Alma Matter's football program is pathetic so as to eliminate the possibility of feeling any joy while wallowing in misery.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

One superbowl, I put my hands on a mini-keg of Bell's Hopslam. That was a delicious mistake.

We made that same mistake with Bell's Two Hearted. Not as much alcohol but that was one epic hangover. They should move the SB to Saturday so we can use Sunday for recovery, damnit!

I've been saying this since the late 80's. Nobody listens. Nobody cares.

I care! But I lack the power to change the schedules of NFL games. LET'S DO A FACEBOOK POST! Those always work!

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

Man Law #43: You cannot complain about the type or brand of beer that is given to you by a friend. It is, however, perfectly acceptable to complain if it's too warm.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

Man Law #43: You cannot complain about the type or brand of beer that is given to you by a friend. It is, however, perfectly acceptable to complain if it's too warm.

Also, on a really hot day after working in the yard, a really cold Budweiser can be wonderful.

Only because it's cold. I'd still drink water instead.

OK.

I'm not enough of a beer snob to turn down a free beer from anyone. Even if it is cheap piss beer, you have to remember that it is not the beer that they are offering, but their camaraderie. I accept Natty light from my brother-in-law not because it tastes good, but because it is his way of saying, "I like you, you're a good kid."

Man Law #43: You cannot complain about the type or brand of beer that is given to you by a friend. It is, however, perfectly acceptable to complain if it's too warm.

That does not mean that the guy who brings a 30 of Corona to the campsite and immediately starts grabbing for the Founders in the cooler is not a douche though..

Yeah, let's not get carried away. Although that same brother-in-law would make a beeline for my cooler on camping trips, because the job I worked at the time made those really delicious microbrews either either free to me or cost me what the Natty Light cost him. Nothing makes you more popular at a camping trip than showing up with a cooler full of a huge variety of delicious micros.

Shitty fizzy water beer serves a purpose. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to drink 20 Stone IPAs. A full day of drinking with friends on the water or in front of the TV during college football season is a perfect application for Light beer. The lower alcohol and sugar content means you can basically drink indefinitely.

One superbowl, I put my hands on a mini-keg of Bell's Hopslam. That was a delicious mistake.

We made that same mistake with Bell's Two Hearted. Not as much alcohol but that was one epic hangover. They should move the SB to Saturday so we can use Sunday for recovery, damnit!

I've been saying this since the late 80's. Nobody listens. Nobody cares.

I care! But I lack the power to change the schedules of NFL games. LET'S DO A FACEBOOK POST! Those always work!

That does not mean that the guy who brings a 30 of Corona to the campsite and immediately starts grabbing for the Founders in the cooler is not a douche though..

Yeah, let's not get carried away. Although that same brother-in-law would make a beeline for my cooler on camping trips, because the job I worked at the time made those really delicious microbrews either either free to me or cost me what the Natty Light cost him. Nothing makes you more popular at a camping trip than showing up with a cooler full of a huge variety of delicious micros.

That does not mean that the guy who brings a 30 of Corona to the campsite and immediately starts grabbing for the Founders in the cooler is not a douche though..

Yeah, let's not get carried away. Although that same brother-in-law would make a beeline for my cooler on camping trips, because the job I worked at the time made those really delicious microbrews either either free to me or cost me what the Natty Light cost him. Nothing makes you more popular at a camping trip than showing up with a cooler full of a huge variety of delicious micros.

/flamesuit on

If you have a cooler of beer with you, that's not camping.

Feh.

I like hiking a couple miles to a camp site as much as the next guy, but there's a lot to be said for pitching your tent at a groomed site fifteen feet from your car, too.

<flamesuit>Now, if we're talking about some kind of trailer with pop-out sides and an electrical hookup, then you're right. That's not camping. </flamesuit>

That does not mean that the guy who brings a 30 of Corona to the campsite and immediately starts grabbing for the Founders in the cooler is not a douche though..

Yeah, let's not get carried away. Although that same brother-in-law would make a beeline for my cooler on camping trips, because the job I worked at the time made those really delicious microbrews either either free to me or cost me what the Natty Light cost him. Nothing makes you more popular at a camping trip than showing up with a cooler full of a huge variety of delicious micros.

/flamesuit on

If you have a cooler of beer with you, that's not camping.

You should see how I camp now, sweetheart. That cooler and tent have been replaced by a 40' toyhauler fifth wheel, and the campsite has been replaced by an RV resort with an indoor pool.