<p>Idk if it really has failed at governing itself. Since last May I have learned html/css, some Javascript, a ton of python (finished the beginning class and am now in intermediate), have a working knowledge of LED programming, as well as a hundred other more or less technical skills (kombucha and whatnot). I have been to sudo room and still see noisebridge as having more potential. There is something at work in noisebridge that is so real and human, it goes beyond society or law or simple rules. There is a process that because noisebridge has no leaders, everyone sooner or later realizes the leader in themselves. Something like that I feel.happening. It's dialectical and ironic in nature that a higher order is forming out zero imposed leadership, but it slowly is and it's organic structure reaches everyone. This is a great example. We failed at governing ourselves, but not really, this guy is no longer welcome and the sky isn't falling down. And what does everyone gain from it? We all gain, as a community and individually, the experience of governing ourselves and that process longterm is more powerful for noisebridge and the world than any sterilized, managed organization. There is a need fulfilled by sterile, managed organizations, but there is more possible for humanity and more to be learned by not giving up on noisebridge.</p>

<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 27, 2013 10:11 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com">setient@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">No, you can tell this by the meeting notes. There was no "Ron". "Ronald" or setient on it. Frankly, I am on the side of not renewing the lease and trying to get out of it as soon as possible with Noisebridge shutting down. The community has failed at governing itself. Most of the members and people who helped found Noisebridge no longer attend for a variety of reasons. Mitch is one of the few that still attend but he travels a lot. He may or may not be aware of the issues that plague the community but that isn't enough. </div>

<div dir="ltr">Wow. Judgemental much Nicholas? I would suggest keeping name calling off the list. It is detrimental towards you and people taking about this. You are also saying you don't care if it is true or not, which is also another strike against you. Not saying that I do not think being a sex offender is serious business but yeah. You also have to be aware that I do not think you can legally live in San Francisco and be a sex offender. You have to live X distance from schools, but since SF is so dense, there is no such place. Does Adam live in SF? Could it be a different person with the same name? <br>

Now personally, I think we can help with these issues by having multiple members step up to the plate and actually do SOMETHING for the community. By this I mean whenever the space is open, having a few members there to sort of make sure it is excellent. I am not a member, so I have no such say in things. <br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Yes, Cedric, there is a zero tolerance policy on fighting at most California schools and kids can be permanently banned from attending. The term is expulsion. It's very common.</p>

<p>Look at the situation. It obviously matters. If you are as decrepit in morality as that cockroach adam, I don't even care whether or not his sexual offense is truth, just use it to keep him out of the building.</p>

<div dir="auto"><div>Cedric,</div><div><br></div><div>The whole point of the sex offender registry is so that the information can be made public. You are welcome to ignore it. But some people, quite legitimately, wish to take special care when dealing with a person who has been convicted of a sex offense. Consider how few sex offenses are even reported, much less result in a conviction. Chances are close to 100% that a woman you know has been the victim if a sexual assault of some kind. Lets consider giving her a second chance to NOT be assaulted.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Cedric. You probably won't be banned from Noisebridge. It is hard to ban people, even known sex offenders. They have many ardent defenders.<br><br>-Rachel</div><div><br>On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "C. Honnet" <<a href="mailto:cedric@honnet.eu" target="_blank">cedric@honnet.eu</a>> wrote:<br>

<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I was actually expressing my concern about the denunciation of whatever happens in someone's past.<div>It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.<br><div>

<br></div><div>But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance" exists at noisebridge.</div>

<div>I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be banned myself one day, so it's useful to know, lol...</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this precision ;)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">

<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><div><span>I do respond to all what you rise in your email just the "2nd chance" concerning banning. It is understood long term that non of the bans in Noisebridge is for "life time" it is for "certain inexact period" and after that lets see again. So second chances - yes, but in time.<br>

<span>That is at least how I feel about that after few years on the list and several involvements with the place.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif">

<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">Deserved condemnation or not, w</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">hat happened to the right to a 2nd chance ? (what about privacy?)</span></div>

<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">What about the doubts for a justice system that might fail ? (it's made by imperfect humans)</span></div>

<div><br></div><div>On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Even at school, do you get definitively banned when you fight ?</span><br>

</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">And about banning, </span></font><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I saw a guy calling the police to kick someone out during the meeting. </span><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Can't we do it more properly/excellently ?</span></div>

</div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Personally, I would definitely prefer to be punched.</span><br></div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">On the other hand, I have only heard it and not witnessed it but "power" problems in an anarchist organisation is quite fucked up.</span></div>

<div><br></div><div>Just my humble point of view, I hope I didn't offend anyone.</div><div>Excellently yours, (or doing my best at least)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>

<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">At the end of last night's meeting, a consensus proposal was brought to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">

<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday meeting. I don't feel this is</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">