I was in Palmdale and the Chem-trail pollution was off the charts

In order for anyone to take you seriously, you need a video of a plane flying over Vancouver with a time and date stamp. If you can produce that, and
nobody can identify it, then you win the internet, and at least in your mind, you can believe that proves chemtrails are real. But until you do that,
your questions have been answered, you just chose not to believe them.

originally posted by: turbonium1
None of these planes have matched to commercial flights. Not one.

At least two of these planes fly over Vancouver (almost) every day, for many years now.

Every one of the planes has always left a trail, without fail.

All of the planes have something else in common....

If there is one of these planes flying above the city, and leaving a trail, there will always be another one of these planes which suddenly appears,
and flies virtually a parallel path of the first plane's path, just a few miles apart.

And these trails always expand outward, and cover the skies, which were clear, and blue, before these planes flew over us.

If these planes are not working in tandem, they must all be magical coincidences.

First few hours of a day without a plane. Then one plane shows up, and leaves a trail. Within minutes, or even seconds, another plane suddenly
appears, and it makes another trail, nearly parallel to the first trail. A few minutes later, a third plane shows up, and leaves another trail, which
is nearly parallel to the first two trails. And often a fourth plane shows up, right after, and leaves a 4th trail, which is once again nearly
parallel to the other trails.

No more of these planes show up afterwards, for the rest of the day.

This is not just for one day, it happens like this almost every day.

And if that's not blatantly obvious, another point will take the cake.....

It is not only that these planes leave parallel paths, one day. An entirely different path is left the next day, and nearly parallel paths are then
left, by the following planes!!

How blind can one be to think it's all perfectly normal??

Do you have any idea of how much of whatever you claim is being sprayed a plane would have to be carrying to create a trail even a small percentage in
length of what you are seeing? There isn't a plane in existence that can hold anywhere near what would be needed.

Not possible I'm afraid. Not even remotely close to being possible in any way, shape or form.

So you know why your bags are weighed at check in? Not for fun, but because tknowing the total mass a plane is carrying is crucial for correct
distribution and fuel consumption.

Basically. Chemtrail conspiracy fall flat at the first hurdle. Never mind ANY other details or info...no plane can carry anything near the amount
needed.

And I wont even bother explaining how idiotic spraying something from that high up would be. How the people masterminding it would have no control
on its dispersal since the winds up there are crazy.

Or that it would make far more sense and be infinitely cheaper to emit at ground level from the millions of factories. Or taint the water etc...

No point discussing ANY of those since NO PLANE CAN CARRY EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CREATE A TRAIL THAT LONG.

In order for anyone to take you seriously, you need a video of a plane flying over Vancouver with a time and date stamp. If you can produce that, and
nobody can identify it, then you win the internet, and at least in your mind, you can believe that proves chemtrails are real. But until you do that,
your questions have been answered, you just chose not to believe them.

Your side showed a video from someone in Vancouver, to support your claim...

Your side claimed the planes were flying south of Vancouver, not over the city, at all. That It seemed close, but it's miles away...

I mentioned his argument was saying these planes would've been right over YVR, which is in Richmond. Just as I've pointed out before.

My argument is that these planes are flying above me, and near me, all the time. Now, you've shown a video which proves my claim, too!!

I admit to being mistaken on commercial planes flying nearer to Vancouver than I thought, so I'm honest enough to admit you've proved me wrong on that
point. So we move along, now..

Planes are seen, and filmed, flying directly over the city of Vancouver, Richmond, YVR, and so on.

THAT is the issue here.

I'm not talking about any planes flying 50+ miles away, do you grasp that simple point?

Do you want the truth?

That video your side showed was taken from archives, of some source...yes?

originally posted by: turbonium1
None of these planes have matched to commercial flights. Not one.

At least two of these planes fly over Vancouver (almost) every day, for many years now.

Every one of the planes has always left a trail, without fail.

All of the planes have something else in common....

If there is one of these planes flying above the city, and leaving a trail, there will always be another one of these planes which suddenly appears,
and flies virtually a parallel path of the first plane's path, just a few miles apart.

And these trails always expand outward, and cover the skies, which were clear, and blue, before these planes flew over us.

If these planes are not working in tandem, they must all be magical coincidences.

First few hours of a day without a plane. Then one plane shows up, and leaves a trail. Within minutes, or even seconds, another plane suddenly
appears, and it makes another trail, nearly parallel to the first trail. A few minutes later, a third plane shows up, and leaves another trail, which
is nearly parallel to the first two trails. And often a fourth plane shows up, right after, and leaves a 4th trail, which is once again nearly
parallel to the other trails.

No more of these planes show up afterwards, for the rest of the day.

This is not just for one day, it happens like this almost every day.

And if that's not blatantly obvious, another point will take the cake.....

It is not only that these planes leave parallel paths, one day. An entirely different path is left the next day, and nearly parallel paths are then
left, by the following planes!!

How blind can one be to think it's all perfectly normal??

Do you have any idea of how much of whatever you claim is being sprayed a plane would have to be carrying to create a trail even a small percentage in
length of what you are seeing? There isn't a plane in existence that can hold anywhere near what would be needed.

Not possible I'm afraid. Not even remotely close to being possible in any way, shape or form.

So you know why your bags are weighed at check in? Not for fun, but because tknowing the total mass a plane is carrying is crucial for correct
distribution and fuel consumption.

Basically. Chemtrail conspiracy fall flat at the first hurdle. Never mind ANY other details or info...no plane can carry anything near the amount
needed.

And I wont even bother explaining how idiotic spraying something from that high up would be. How the people masterminding it would have no control
on its dispersal since the winds up there are crazy.

Or that it would make far more sense and be infinitely cheaper to emit at ground level from the millions of factories. Or taint the water etc...

No point discussing ANY of those since NO PLANE CAN CARRY EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CREATE A TRAIL THAT LONG.

You think they must choose only one method. Ergo, they wouldn't have chosen chemtrails, since far better methods exist!! Superb logic, indeed!

Using various methods would make more sense, yes?

So it's not about one being 'better' or not, to choose only one as 'better'.

originally posted by: turbonium1
None of these planes have matched to commercial flights. Not one.

At least two of these planes fly over Vancouver (almost) every day, for many years now.

Every one of the planes has always left a trail, without fail.

All of the planes have something else in common....

If there is one of these planes flying above the city, and leaving a trail, there will always be another one of these planes which suddenly appears,
and flies virtually a parallel path of the first plane's path, just a few miles apart.

And these trails always expand outward, and cover the skies, which were clear, and blue, before these planes flew over us.

If these planes are not working in tandem, they must all be magical coincidences.

First few hours of a day without a plane. Then one plane shows up, and leaves a trail. Within minutes, or even seconds, another plane suddenly
appears, and it makes another trail, nearly parallel to the first trail. A few minutes later, a third plane shows up, and leaves another trail, which
is nearly parallel to the first two trails. And often a fourth plane shows up, right after, and leaves a 4th trail, which is once again nearly
parallel to the other trails.

No more of these planes show up afterwards, for the rest of the day.

This is not just for one day, it happens like this almost every day.

And if that's not blatantly obvious, another point will take the cake.....

It is not only that these planes leave parallel paths, one day. An entirely different path is left the next day, and nearly parallel paths are then
left, by the following planes!!

How blind can one be to think it's all perfectly normal??

Do you have any idea of how much of whatever you claim is being sprayed a plane would have to be carrying to create a trail even a small percentage in
length of what you are seeing? There isn't a plane in existence that can hold anywhere near what would be needed.

Not possible I'm afraid. Not even remotely close to being possible in any way, shape or form.

So you know why your bags are weighed at check in? Not for fun, but because tknowing the total mass a plane is carrying is crucial for correct
distribution and fuel consumption.

Basically. Chemtrail conspiracy fall flat at the first hurdle. Never mind ANY other details or info...no plane can carry anything near the amount
needed.

And I wont even bother explaining how idiotic spraying something from that high up would be. How the people masterminding it would have no control
on its dispersal since the winds up there are crazy.

Or that it would make far more sense and be infinitely cheaper to emit at ground level from the millions of factories. Or taint the water etc...

No point discussing ANY of those since NO PLANE CAN CARRY EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CREATE A TRAIL THAT LONG.

You think they must choose only one method. Ergo, they wouldn't have chosen chemtrails, since far better methods exist!! Superb logic, indeed!

Using various methods would make more sense, yes?

So it's not about one being 'better' or not, to choose only one as 'better'.

OK. But you didn't answer him.

I can't tell what you are arguing, but please respond to 3danimator's point that there would be no may for a plane to hold enough chemicals to spray a
thick cloud-like trail of chemicals for hundreds of miles.

A persistent contrail can be hundreds of miles long, so if a contrail is really a "chemtrail" of chemicals being sprayed from tanks on the plane, it
seems that there is no way for a plane to have tanks large enough to hold all of those chemicals -- even if the plane was full of tanks.

originally posted by: turbonium1
None of these planes have matched to commercial flights. Not one.

At least two of these planes fly over Vancouver (almost) every day, for many years now.

Every one of the planes has always left a trail, without fail.

All of the planes have something else in common....

If there is one of these planes flying above the city, and leaving a trail, there will always be another one of these planes which suddenly appears,
and flies virtually a parallel path of the first plane's path, just a few miles apart.

And these trails always expand outward, and cover the skies, which were clear, and blue, before these planes flew over us.

If these planes are not working in tandem, they must all be magical coincidences.

First few hours of a day without a plane. Then one plane shows up, and leaves a trail. Within minutes, or even seconds, another plane suddenly
appears, and it makes another trail, nearly parallel to the first trail. A few minutes later, a third plane shows up, and leaves another trail, which
is nearly parallel to the first two trails. And often a fourth plane shows up, right after, and leaves a 4th trail, which is once again nearly
parallel to the other trails.

No more of these planes show up afterwards, for the rest of the day.

This is not just for one day, it happens like this almost every day.

And if that's not blatantly obvious, another point will take the cake.....

It is not only that these planes leave parallel paths, one day. An entirely different path is left the next day, and nearly parallel paths are then
left, by the following planes!!

How blind can one be to think it's all perfectly normal??

Do you have any idea of how much of whatever you claim is being sprayed a plane would have to be carrying to create a trail even a small percentage in
length of what you are seeing? There isn't a plane in existence that can hold anywhere near what would be needed.

Not possible I'm afraid. Not even remotely close to being possible in any way, shape or form.

So you know why your bags are weighed at check in? Not for fun, but because tknowing the total mass a plane is carrying is crucial for correct
distribution and fuel consumption.

Basically. Chemtrail conspiracy fall flat at the first hurdle. Never mind ANY other details or info...no plane can carry anything near the amount
needed.

And I wont even bother explaining how idiotic spraying something from that high up would be. How the people masterminding it would have no control
on its dispersal since the winds up there are crazy.

Or that it would make far more sense and be infinitely cheaper to emit at ground level from the millions of factories. Or taint the water etc...

No point discussing ANY of those since NO PLANE CAN CARRY EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CREATE A TRAIL THAT LONG.

You think they must choose only one method. Ergo, they wouldn't have chosen chemtrails, since far better methods exist!! Superb logic, indeed!

Using various methods would make more sense, yes?

So it's not about one being 'better' or not, to choose only one as 'better'.

Sigh....of course, using various methods would make sense. No one us disputing that. Its just that spraying from 35k feet would be borderline insane
as an effective method. It just makes no sense since the winds are fierce and unpredictable up there.

And of course the thorny issue of there not being a plane in existence that can carry all that remains

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that the video you mentioned shows planes flying in your area and leaving contrails, so yes, they do
exist. If you want the flight data on those planes, use one of the links that have been provided to you and find the tail number, altitude,
destination, and AC type.

You will have to know the exact date and time the flights were filmed.

If you are too lazy to do that, then I suggest you go full on believing "they" are spraying you, go buy orgonite cloud busters an dig a really deep
hole to hide in. Oh, and for God sake, don't forget the VINEGAR!!!!

If you want me to do the research for you, send a check for $49.95 and I'll get your results back in 7-10 weeks.

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