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After thinking about this, I have a few questions. If you don't have the guy lines tied down, wouldn't the tarp poles cause the tarp to want to lay flat. And if this the case, how much force do you feel is on the stakes. Just wondering, if the wind caught the tarp right, could it cause it to "launch" a tarp stake? Thanks.....RR

After thinking about this, I have a few questions. If you don't have the guy lines tied down, wouldn't the tarp poles cause the tarp to want to lay flat. And if this the case, how much force do you feel is on the stakes. Just wondering, if the wind caught the tarp right, could it cause it to "launch" a tarp stake? Thanks.....RR

There isn't too much force on the stakes to get it to pull down, but you are right that without the stakes and guy lines it tries to flatten out. With the sides pulled down, I don't see any issue with wind catching it...might be a problem if you pitched it in porch mode into the wind, but it would probably do it without the pole mod too.

Thanks, I have one of the older Guide Gear tarps that I use for my winter shelter, and am thinking about doing this with it. I hate getting up in the middle of the night or early morning and touching the inside of the tarp and getting wet from condensation.

Thanks hikingdad, :} for finding another way for me to help the economy, just sent my OMW tarp to Donna at 2qzq for this mod, quest was out of .340 so had to get next smaller. thank you for info and pics, is a great set up. jim
correction,they did have the 340, thanks again for sharing all your info.

I found the ties in the middle of the tarp to hold the poles in place are completely unnecessary. I use a continuous ridgeline under the tarp and I just slide the poles between the ridgeline and tarp and they stay fine...sort of slanted towards the middle, but they're fine.