Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its immigrant bashing.

Navarro, 33, has taken part in a historic migration. For the first time in decades, more people are moving from the U.S. to Mexico than are coming to the U.S. from Mexico, the Pew Hispanic Center reported in April. Some, like Navarro, are deported, but the vast majority came to Mexico voluntarily, according to the report.

mikemoto:Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its immigrant bashing.

That makes sense, low information cultures tend to be more conservative.

The racist element present in the GOP needs to be eliminated before they can ever have any hope of capturing the latino demographic.

So, they moved here when the times were good to mooch off the system and take our jerbs, but now that we are in a recession they are moving away instead of helping pull us out of the mess they helped create.

OrygunFarker:So, they moved here when the times were good to mooch off the system and take our jerbs, but now that we are in a recession they are moving away instead of helping pull us out of the mess they helped create.

Sounds about right for Mexicans.

/amirite?

Sounds about right for Immigrants.

Very few immigrants go anywhere because they love the culture and want to be a part of a particular country. Most immigrants go for strictly economic reasons. As an immigrant myself, I can tell you that it was strictly about money and quality of life. I have no love or loyalty to my current country of residency and I'd *rather* be back where I was born. As soon as it makes sense for me, I'll go back home.

mikemoto:Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its illegal immigrant bashing.

Republicans are all for bringing over hundreds of thousands of workers on H1-B visas.

make me some tea:mikemoto: Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its immigrant bashing.

That makes sense, low information cultures tend to be more conservative.

The racist element present in the GOP needs to be eliminated before they can ever have any hope of capturing the latino demographic.

Fark_Guy_Rob:OrygunFarker: So, they moved here when the times were good to mooch off the system and take our jerbs, but now that we are in a recession they are moving away instead of helping pull us out of the mess they helped create.

Sounds about right for Mexicans.

/amirite?Sounds about right for Immigrants.

Very few immigrants go anywhere because they love the culture and want to be a part of a particular country. Most immigrants go for strictly economic reasons. As an immigrant myself, I can tell you that it was strictly about money and quality of life. I have no love or loyalty to my current country of residency and I'd *rather* be back where I was born. As soon as it makes sense for me, I'll go back home.

That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.

Now a days, immigrants come here, but refuse to assimilate. They come strictly for the money and leave when that ends.

He misses the U.S., Navarro said. He's had a hard time adjusting to the culture - for one thing, personal space isn't given a premium in Mexico, he said - and he gets a hostile reaction when people on the bus hear him speaking English.

So Mexicans don't like it when people move to their country and refuse to speak their language? Wow, what a bunch of racists.

Mrtraveler01:roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Yeah, but you also have to worry about drug gangs and other acts of violence.

It's like retiring to Opa Locka, North Miami Beach, or to a smaller extent Hialeah (some of the most crime ridden parts of Miami) just to escape the cold weather.

They are not in the big cities or border cities that have these problems lots of retired gringos from Canada and the US are there living better in retirement than they would here. Just like here in the states, housing might be cheap in Detroit but you wouldn't want to live there. You need to be careful where you choose to live in Mexico

Honest Bender:Why would you ever move to Mexico? Gang violence, poverty, and political corruption aside, you will forever be a second class citizen. Seriously. Look it up.

At least they are up front with their corruption unlike here. You go into Guadalajara around Christmas with American plates on your car you will get pulled over and make a small contribution to the officers pocket

Mrtraveler01:roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Yeah, but you also have to worry about drug gangs and other acts of violence.

It's like retiring to Opa Locka, North Miami Beach, or to a smaller extent Hialeah (some of the most crime ridden parts of Miami) just to escape the cold weather.

When I went to MEPS (military enlistment processing center) im Miami I was left at a train station in Hialeah for a few hours awaiting a train back to Palm Beach. It was an unstaffed station with only vending type machines to give tickets. I could see the local barrio just about a block away, and they could see me...I was just waiting for it. A couple times a security guard drove through...guess that was enough to keep em away. That is probably the most uncomfortable a place has ever made me.

HempHead:mikemoto: Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its illegal immigrant bashing.

Republicans are all for bringing over hundreds of thousands of workers on H1-B visas.

Many of the programmers where I work are on that program. Mostly Indians, great people IMHO. I'd rather they work and live here than move our operation wholesale over there./Indian chicks are spicy too.

hbk72777:Any brainless idiot who moves to that hellhole really isn't a loss to this country.

Nothing like spending every minute of your life wondering if this is the day you're going to be decapitated and stuffed in the back of a Corolla with your severed penis shoved in your mouth.

Drug wars are about (wait for it...) drugs. There is a lot of gang-related drug violence in certain parts of Mexico, but in general, people who aren't involved don't get targeted. They want money and power, not to wantonly kill innocent people (and potential customers).