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Re: Dolphins-Colts thread

There's only so much you can learn by sporting a hat on the sideline while not taking a single snap in practice. OK, maybe you can "learn" some cool stuff that only people on the inside are privy to, but you aren't going to actually improve your own skills that way. There's a reason that Manning wants every snap in practice - it's what makes you better.

Was Manning better off playing for the Colts as a cold rookie and getting actual in game experience, or would he have been better off being Marino's backup and not doing anything in practice? Manning would answer that question by saying that playing from the get-go helped make him a better QB. He's said this before. He is an advocate of young QBs playing immediately.

There's no evidence to show that playing under Manning has resulted in the improvement of a player's skills. How come Sorgi never again took a snap after leaving Indy? He wasn't even 30 years old when he left.

Injuries is the reason. Note how well watching and being around Favre helped Aaron Rogers..... You dump these young QBs into action with no offensive line and no running game and the outcome is inevitable and it will be in Indy too.....

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Injuries is the reason. Note how well watching and being around Favre helped Aaron Rogers..... You dump these young QBs into action with no offensive line and no running game and the outcome is inevitable and it will be in Indy too.....

Was Manning's line as a rookie really that good? Yeah he had Tarik Glenn, but Glenn was just a second year player at that point.

We are 4-3 and through 7 games, Luck is still alive. He's not getting killed out there like you predicted. If he can make it through this season then he will be fine as we will likely spend some money fixing the line.

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Injuries is the reason. Note how well watching and being around Favre helped Aaron Rogers.

Or Rodgers could be just as good or even better if his career had started three years earlier. There's no way of knowing for sure.

With Manning, we have some evidence. Our last two backup QBs, Sorgi and Painter, can't even take a snap after leaving here. I realize that both of them have extremely minimal talent, but if learning under Manning was as valuable an experience as you make it out to be, then I'd at least think that one of them could have extended their career beyond Indy and made it as a backup somewhere.

By no means is that meant to be a criticism of Manning. Manning's job is to win games and prepare for the next week's opponent. He's not supposed to be wasting time tutoring players of inferior talent. But I just fail to see how spending time holding a clipboard, wearing a hat and headset, and engaging Manning in some sideline talk can do much to improve ones skills. It's not near as valuable as taking snaps, practicing, and learning the speed of the game yourself. That's what makes one a better QB. When Luck is making the pro bowl in a couple of years, I guarantee you he'll be reflecting on how taking his licks as a rookie in 2012 helped mold him into a better QB. That's what Manning says about his own career.

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Was Manning's line as a rookie really that good? Yeah he had Tarik Glenn, but Glenn was just a second year player at that point.

We are 4-3 and through 7 games, Luck is still alive. He's not getting killed out there like you predicted. If he can make it through this season then he will be fine as we will likely spend some money fixing the line.

The team Manning was on his rookie season was a whole lot better than this version of the Colts..... Please change that to he hasn't gotten killed out there. He is taking a beating every week and so is RGIII. Neither one of them rate to play in all 16 games this year........ Luck has taken several hits that if only slightly different could have knocked him out for the season. So has RGIII. These guys are not superman in spite of what they themselves may think....

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The team Manning was on his rookie season was a whole lot better than this version of the Colts.....

You must be cutting and pasting from the posts you made in July. This team is 4-3. Manning's team his rookie year was 3-13. Even if the 2012 Colts don't win another game, they will still be better than the 1998 team.

Now the 1998 team certainly made a dramatic improvement in 1999. We drafted Edge, Manning became a premier passer, and Harrison became a premier receiver. But as of now, Luck's Colts are better than rookie Manning's Colts.

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I also bet against the Jags and Kansas City every game. That means I am considerably up for the season and I expect to be "up" betting against the Colts too but I will be delighted to take a loss there. I don't care about the spread. The winning team covers the spread 80% of the time. So, I just try to pick winners....

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I have been watching for a long, long time..... That is exactly what Denver is doing right now. They have their QB of the future observing a master.... It worked pretty well for Aaron Rogers and several others. But, dump the franchise into a fire with no offensive line to protect him and no running game to keep pressure off of him and the result will be inevitable. It has happened time and time again and it will happen here too. It is you who knows nothing about football or history......

You don't know a QB if you've ever seen one. Luck is the next GREAT quarterback in the NFL and you keep bashing him. He will be great and you know it

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The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
I'm (maybe) back after being repetedly banned, merely for supporting a different NFL team than do certain forum moderators.

I have been watching for a long, long time..... That is exactly what Denver is doing right now. They have their QB of the future observing a master.... It worked pretty well for Aaron Rogers and several others. But, dump the franchise into a fire with no offensive line to protect him and no running game to keep pressure off of him and the result will be inevitable. It has happened time and time again and it will happen here too. It is you who knows nothing about football or history......

Experience matters not if it isn't good experience (as in experienced in being wrong)

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Before you start calling names, you might get some correct informatiion. I bet through a computer service and I am up 5-2 betting against the Jags. The spreads are not always the same. Sometimes they are more favorable, sometimes less. Take this week's Colts game. The spread is +1 for Miami. The service I use has it even..... There has been a three point and larger difference in the spread using this off shore service... But, don't let stop you from calling names..... I don't even know if Las Vegas takes computer bets.... I got a credit card just for this and they take out my bet when I lose and when I win they pay the card and charge a fee of 10%..... Not perfect but for someone always on the go like me, it works....

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Looks man he's only picked the Jags the 3 times they haven't covered ok?

No. I bet them all, I just had different odds than he is quoting for Las Vegas. Off shore computer service.... If you search the net, there are several of them. Their spread won't be the same as Las Vegas. That is how they get people to bet with them. Some advertise that they have the most favorable sports gambling spreads in the world.....

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Before you start calling names, you might get some correct informatiion. I bet through a computer service and I am up 5-2 betting against the Jags. The spreads are not always the same. Sometimes they are more favorable, sometimes less. Take this week's Colts game. The spread is +1 for Miami. The service I use has it even..... There has been a three point and larger difference in the spread using this off shore service... But, don't let stop you from calling names..... I don't even know if Las Vegas takes computer bets.... I got a credit card just for this and they take out my bet when I lose and when I win they pay the card and charge a fee of 10%..... Not perfect but for someone always on the go like me, it works....

This is utter garbage. You're just making **** up.

In week 1 the Jags were +3.5 against the Vikings. They lost by 3. 1-0.
In week 2 they were +6.5 against Houston. They lost by 20. 1-1.
In week 3 they were +3 against the abysmal Andrew Luck led Colts. They won by 5. 2-1.
In week 4 they were -1.5 against Cincy. They lost by 17. 2-2.
In week 5 they were +6.5 against Chicago. They lost by 38. 2-3.
In week 6 they were on a bye.
In week 7 they were +6 against Oakland. They lost by 3. 3-3
In week 8 they were +15.5 against Green Bay. They lost by 9. 4-3.

The only game that was even close to the spread and which could alter the result because of a different line than Vegas (which you're making up but I'll play along anyway) was week 1. So even in your made up scenario, you're looking at them being 3-4 against the spread. You cannot possibly be up 5-2 by betting against them. It simply isn't possible.

I don't mind your blatant and repetitive trolling but to just purely make something up in your trolling attempt is the height of stupidity. Especially when this "fact" is so easily checked.

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In week 1 the Jags were +3.5 against the Vikings. They lost by 3. 1-0.
In week 2 they were +6.5 against Houston. They lost by 20. 1-1.
In week 3 they were +3 against the abysmal Andrew Luck led Colts. They won by 5. 2-1.
In week 4 they were -1.5 against Cincy. They lost by 17. 2-2.
In week 5 they were +6.5 against Chicago. They lost by 38. 2-3.
In week 6 they were on a bye.
In week 7 they were +6 against Oakland. They lost by 3. 3-3
In week 8 they were +15.5 against Green Bay. They lost by 9. 4-3.

The only game that was even close to the spread and which could alter the result because of a different line than Vegas (which you're making up but I'll play along anyway) was week 1. So even in your made up scenario, you're looking at them being 3-4 against the spread. You cannot possibly be up 5-2 by betting against them. It simply isn't possible.

I don't mind your blatant and repetitive trolling but to just purely make something up in your trolling attempt is the height of stupidity. Especially when this "fact" is so easily checked.

You are only looking at Las Vegas.

You can get different spreads on computer if you shop. So cut the name calling. I am 5-2 up betting on the Jags to lose and that is a fact....

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Prove that "fact". It would be incredibly easy to do so. Except, of course, that it is a total fabrication.

Search any of the off shore sports betting computer sites. The line on the Miami-Colts game today is Miami the favorite with the spread at 2.5. I already have that game with a 1 point spread.... Just call names and make up anything you want.....

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I think you're missing the point though. A vegas spread being different from another spread by 1.5 points? Ok that's believable, but a Vegas spread and your "site's" spread would have to be astronomically different for you to be 5-2 with the Jags.

Also, it cracked me up when you said some advertise that they have the most favorable sports betting odds in the world. Do you really believe that? Do you pull over for every highway casino that has the loosest slots too?

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I think you're missing the point though. A vegas spread being different from another spread by 1.5 points? Ok that's believable, but a Vegas spread and your "site's" spread would have to be astronomically different for you to be 5-2 with the Jags.

Also, it cracked me up when you said some advertise that they have the most favorable sports betting odds in the world. Do you really believe that? Do you pull over for every highway casino that has the loosest slots too?

No, I don't but I look for a casino online that just about removes the game to win loss. Hence the fact that 80% of winners cover the line because the line is small. It didn't have to be that much different and I am 5-2 betting the Jags to lose....

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I think you're missing the point though. A vegas spread being different from another spread by 1.5 points? Ok that's believable, but a Vegas spread and your "site's" spread would have to be astronomically different for you to be 5-2 with the Jags.

Also, it cracked me up when you said some advertise that they have the most favorable sports betting odds in the world. Do you really believe that? Do you pull over for every highway casino that has the loosest slots too?

Since you bring it up, I am not a slot player but I do know where in Las Vegas gives the biggest payback to the customer......

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Search any of the off shore sports betting computer sites. The line on the Miami-Colts game today is Miami the favorite with the spread at 2.5. I already have that game with a 1 point spread.... Just call names and make up anything you want.....

Why don't you give us the name of the site you've been using so we check out the spreads? Then we can all get in on the action since it sounds like such a sure thing!

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Why don't you do your own looking. There are lots of them about the same as the one I use....

Lol. Olblu caught in ANOTHER lie. This is like the hundreds of articles of writers predicting multiple MVPs and Super Bowls for RG3: you tell us it's out there somewhere, you're not sure where but you don't have time to look either. But you want us to do our own looking? Your trolling and lies are getting easier and easier to pick apart.