Churches choose to stay out of questions of status

If you want to use the 12th Article of Faith then by that standard Joseph Smith,
Brigham Young and multiple early church leaders broke the law. They should be
posthumously excommunicated.

What we aren't talking about is the
state immigration laws violating the 4th Ammendment of the US Constitution
against unreasonable search and seizure. These new laws require that everyone
carry paperwork at ALL times. That trumphs a misdemeanor violation, our
lawmakers are destroying the Constitution with these laws.

The
Constitution is hanging by a thread and everyone is so crazed about immigrants
that they don't see that laws against immigrants are laws against all Americans.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. Our lawmakers are pushing this just to get elected, they know
these laws won't solve anything. We have to get the feds to do something. The
state will go broke when Constituional attorneys descend on our courts. DUMB

arc

July 1, 2008 4:24 p.m.

"With the creation of stakes and the construction of temples in most nations
with sizeable populations of the faithful, the current commandment is not to
gather to one place but to gather in stakes in our own homelands. There the
faithful can enjoy the full blessings of eternity in a house of the Lord. There,
in their own homelands, they can obey the Lords command to enlarge the borders
of His people and strengthen her stakes (see D&C 101:21; D&C 133:9, 14). In this
way, the stakes of Zion are for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm, and
from wrath when it shall be poured out without mixture upon the whole earth (D&C
115:6)." E. Oaks, April Conf. 2004.

Find one General Conference talk
by one of the 1st Presidency or 1 of the 12, that says differently since the
1950s. You won't find one.

uteowl

Jan. 28, 2008 6:12 p.m.

OK, I'm one of the apostate. I admit I have a BIG problem with the baptism of
illegal immigrants while here in the US. They are here illegally. AOF #13
states: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and
magistrates, in OBEYING, HONORING, and SUSTAINING THE LAW.

Others who
are breaking the law are told to repent and get right with civil authorities
before baptism, why not these people.

Moving to the political...

As for Dr.(?)Solorzano. He's right immigration has played a part in both
nations' histories, but there are now laws on the books of both countries
(presumably Mexico has immigration laws) that govern and dictate what's legal
and what's not.

One of the things that galls many US Citizens is that
it appears that Mexico has been waging a quiet invasion of the United States in
an attempt to get back the territory that Solorzano and his fellow countrymen
feel in their heart was stolen from them.

I don't think that there
are very many US Citizens who would be willing to give back one inch of ground.
Some Texas border towns are fighting the fence for this very reason.