I really liked that episode. The scene with Herschel at the end had me on the edge of my seat the whole time.

I didn't really like Carol performing surgery on the "cadaver". It seemed out of place and pretty stupid. Operating on flesh in advance necrosis isn't going to be helpful for surgical practice and won't do much but give you a basic anatomy lesson she should already know._________________The spirit can die when the force that's crushing it is great enough. By raining bullets down on the silent faces, already turned away from the world, you thought you could destroy the face of our truth. But we have faith in a different force. That hopeless hope is what sustains us now. My comrades are more numerous than your bullets, and more patient than your executioners.

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:44 pm

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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:

I didn't really like Carol performing surgery on the "cadaver". It seemed out of place and pretty stupid. Operating on flesh in advance necrosis isn't going to be helpful for surgical practice and won't do much but give you a basic anatomy lesson she should already know.

I think it was just to make sure she got practice opening the uterus without going too deep into is so that when she does it to Laurie she won't hit the baby. It made sense to me. It felt over-the-top, but I'm putting my faith in the show for now._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:31 pm

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Caedus_16 wrote:

Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:

I didn't really like Carol performing surgery on the "cadaver". It seemed out of place and pretty stupid. Operating on flesh in advance necrosis isn't going to be helpful for surgical practice and won't do much but give you a basic anatomy lesson she should already know.

I think it was just to make sure she got practice opening the uterus without going too deep into is so that when she does it to Laurie she won't hit the baby. It made sense to me. It felt over-the-top, but I'm putting my faith in the show for now.

Wut? Was the cadaver pregnant? Because if not, that makes not sense at all. A pregnant and a non-pregnant uterus are a lot different. And Dog is right; if she's a doctor, that's a basic anatomy lesson she really should already know. I mean, I'm a nurse and I know where the hell the uterus is. And most of us women know where our uterus is anyway. _________________Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:41 pm

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Cerrinea wrote:

Caedus_16 wrote:

Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:

I didn't really like Carol performing surgery on the "cadaver". It seemed out of place and pretty stupid. Operating on flesh in advance necrosis isn't going to be helpful for surgical practice and won't do much but give you a basic anatomy lesson she should already know.

I think it was just to make sure she got practice opening the uterus without going too deep into is so that when she does it to Laurie she won't hit the baby. It made sense to me. It felt over-the-top, but I'm putting my faith in the show for now.

Wut? Was the cadaver pregnant? Because if not, that makes not sense at all. A pregnant and a non-pregnant uterus are a lot different. And Dog is right; if she's a doctor, that's a basic anatomy lesson she really should already know. I mean, I'm a nurse and I know where the hell the uterus is. And most of us women know where our uterus is anyway.

She's not a doctor, she learned a little bit from a vet over a few months. This whole thing is totally being winged and she's proven to not be the brightest thus far in the show so on top of all that she wouldn't really think about the differences in uterus-es, she's just doing what little she can think of. I get it. If I were in a zombie apocalypse (with what little I know about anatomy and pregnancy) then ya, I might delusionally think that practicing on a zombie cadaver would work._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:01 pm

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ok, that makes some sense, but cutting through dead tissue isn't the same as cutting through live tissue. I'm just going to stop now. But this is why anything fictional TV does with medicine drives me batsh*t crazy._________________Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:28 pm

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ok, that makes some sense, but cutting through dead tissue isn't the same as cutting through live tissue. I'm just going to stop now. But this is why anything fictional TV does with medicine drives me batsh*t crazy.

Like I said, its easily explained away with the "its all they have" explanation. And ya, I haven't got a great understanding of medicine but I know enough to know that outside of Scrubs most have little to no accuracy, and that one doesn't hold on to a lot of it either._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

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I didn't have any problem with her cutting on that cadaver. She didn' have anything else to practice on and she needs to get "the feel" for the scalpel.

If nothing else it had a psychological effect of building her self esteem.

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haha. Having an inconsequential scene that didn't make sense doesn't really bug me because I care so much about realism in a show about zombies, moreso that they bothered to put forth the effort of writing such a scene in the first place.

But Ok, I can get that Carol wants to practice cutting into human flesh with a little bit more subtlety than is usually employed by jamming rebar through people's eye sockets._________________The spirit can die when the force that's crushing it is great enough. By raining bullets down on the silent faces, already turned away from the world, you thought you could destroy the face of our truth. But we have faith in a different force. That hopeless hope is what sustains us now. My comrades are more numerous than your bullets, and more patient than your executioners.

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Ehhhh either way I'm just glad they are off the farm! Can I get an amen?!?_________________Mara: "Not many people Dare to hug me"
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:16 am

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Actually, I was on edge when Carol was operating on the cadaver. I thought for sure one of the prison inmates was going to come out, see her hunched over the body, and think she was a zombie, and then BAM! Carol's dead._________________
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:37 am

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1337Jedi wrote:

Ehhhh either way I'm just glad they are off the farm! Can I get an amen?!?

The farm went fine for me. I'm glad they didn't drag it out passed one season, but it was well structured and worked out. Ya there weren't guts flying every episode, but that isn't what the show is about so I loved it._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:27 am

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Re: The Farm. My mom said, "Why didn't they just stay on the farm? Close the house up and wait till the zombies passed by. How would they know that they were there? Or if they did, just come back to it later. That seems better than just trying to go to some random place."

I couldn't come up with one for that. Also I think it's hilarious that my mom watches The Walking Dead._________________The spirit can die when the force that's crushing it is great enough. By raining bullets down on the silent faces, already turned away from the world, you thought you could destroy the face of our truth. But we have faith in a different force. That hopeless hope is what sustains us now. My comrades are more numerous than your bullets, and more patient than your executioners.

In TWD they have said that zombies can only be created by transmission from another zombie or having died of other causes not brain damaging since the inception of the zombie virus outbreak. In other words people who were already dead at the beginning of TWD didn't and won't come back. From that perspective we have an even more limited zombie population.

The In-universe explanation has to be that upon becoming a zombie you are not merely "reanimated" whatever that means, but that your cells become partially alive and you don't decay anymore. That still doesn't jibe up with decay though if no "old" dead are becoming Zombies. I think we can assume that zombies diminishing by natural causes isn't going to come into play... or has it? I haven't read that far in the comic.

Well as we later learn in the comic series.... HUGE SPOILER(S) about the comic but it answers just that.

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We learn at the end of one of the trades that EVERYONE becomes a Zombie when they die. In the comic Shane gets shot through the throat on a hunting trip when he tries to shoot Rick in the back. Carl shoots him. When they later get to the prison. IIRC Hershel or someone else had twin girls and a prisoner cuts off their heads and the heads come back to life- Rick immediately leaves and goes back to where the buried Shane and digs up the body. And sure enough. He's come back too. When Risk gets back he's almost a completely broken man and gives the speech that stuck with me throughout the comic series. WE ARE THE WALKING DEAD!!!!

Caedus_16 wrote:

Hogy wrote:

Caedus_16 wrote:

Actually that scene was straight out of the comics, only there Dale had survived much longer and was the one to have his leg hacked off (though not the first time it was tried).

Ah, so the show is begining to deviate from the comics. To what extent?

Its always deviated quite significantly. Shane getting as many episodes as he did was an extreme deviation, he died before they even left the woods in the comics. That kid they captured, Shane's survival, Daryl, T-Dog, none of that was in the comics. And now I'm nervous because the storyline they're starting is the best part of the entire 103 issue run, and if they botch this I could actually be done with the show.

I'm just looking at it like it's an alternate universe. But I'm with you on the fear of the coming story. It was my favorite in the comic as well. I'm afraid I'll be wanting too much from it. I loooooooved that arc._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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Oh man, you had to remind me of Kirkman's dumbest statement about how The Walking Dead refers to the living humans and not to the ambulatory corpses that are attacking the live human Walking Dead.

It's funny because fellow Image comic writer Greg Rucka wrote a book called "Walking Dead", the title of which also refers to live humans instead of ambulatory corpses; that is mainly due to the fact that there are no ambulatory corpses in the story. Go figure._________________The spirit can die when the force that's crushing it is great enough. By raining bullets down on the silent faces, already turned away from the world, you thought you could destroy the face of our truth. But we have faith in a different force. That hopeless hope is what sustains us now. My comrades are more numerous than your bullets, and more patient than your executioners.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:08 am

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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:

Oh man, you had to remind me of Kirkman's dumbest statement about how The Walking Dead refers to the living humans and not to the ambulatory corpses that are attacking the live human Walking Dead.

It's funny because fellow Image comic writer Greg Rucka wrote a book called "Walking Dead", the title of which also refers to live humans instead of ambulatory corpses; that is mainly due to the fact that there are no ambulatory corpses in the story. Go figure.

Actually wait till you get to the "Walking Dead" speech in the comics. Its supposed to be that moment where his whole meaning behind the title and the series comes to the forefront.

And most zombie stories are more a commentary on society than they are about flesh eating, disease ridden cannibals. Since the Romero days that has been the point of a zombie movie. I hate things like the Zack Snyder DotD because its just about the blood (don't get me wrong, special effects are cool). I rather enjoy a zombie story that can portray this ideation cleverly as opposed to the mindless zombie flick. The original Romero films, the current Walking Dead show, 28 Days Later, these are things that really hit hard in that area. Mindless is fun, but the real focus is on the character work and how they'd fall given the situation and I love it for that._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.