Muslims, Our Natural Allies?

World Hijab Day was February 1, and Princeton Professor Robert P. George marked the occasion by publishing a piece in the Catholic journal First Things entitled “Muslims, Our Natural Allies.” He included in his article a video in which a World Hijab Day organizer stoutly defended her right to cover her hair; George proclaimed: “I stand with the young woman in the above video in defense of modesty, chastity, and piety.” Michael Potemra at National Review led the cheering: “Let’s take a moment to praise the intellectual fearlessness of NR’s friend Robby George.”

George acknowledges that “in certain cultures, including some Muslim cultures, the covering of women is taken to an extreme and reflects a very real subjugation, just as in sectors of western culture, the objectification of women (including the sexualization of children at younger and younger ages) by cultural pressures to pornify reflects a very real (though less direct and obvious) subjugation.” Yet are these really our only choices? Women who choose modesty, chastity and piety, and women who “pornify” themselves?

Modesty is a virtue only when it is freely adopted, not enforced by threats. Yet George takes no notice of the fact that many Muslim women don the hijab not out of modesty, but out of fear. The woman in his featured video defends her freedom to wear the hijab, but it is far more likely that women will be victimized for not wearing it than for wearing it. Aqsa Parvez’s Muslim father choked her to death with her hijab after she refused to wear it. Amina Muse Ali was a Christian woman in Somalia whom Muslims murdered because she wasn’t wearing a hijab. Forty women were murdered in Iraq in 2007 for not wearing the hijab.

“I am a Catholic,” George proclaims, and adds: “My Church teaches me to esteem our Muslim friends and to work with them in the cause of promoting justice and moral values. I am happy to stand with them in defense of what is right and good.” He lauds several Muslim leaders for standing against abortion and pornography, and in defense of religious liberty.

It is good that a Muslim, Asma Uddin, is standing for religious liberty, but she is doing so in defiance of her own religious tradition. Muhammad himself commanded: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.” There is only disagreement over whether the law applies only to men, or to women also – some authorities hold that apostate women should not be killed, but only imprisoned in their houses until death.

Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, the most prestigious and inﬂuential institution in the Sunni world, certifies as a reliable guide to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni Muslim community a manual of Islamic law that states: “When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed” (Reliance of the Traveller o8.1). Although the right to kill an apostate is reserved in Islamic law to the leader of the community and other Muslims can theoretically be punished for taking this duty upon themselves, in practice a Muslim who kills an apostate needs to pay no indemnity and perform no expiatory acts (as he must in other kinds of murder cases under classic Islamic law). This accommodation is made because killing an apostate “is killing someone who deserves to die” (Reliance of the Traveller o8.4).

Qaradawi even said last year: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.” The persecutions of apostates from Islam (including, but by no means limited to, Mohammed Hegazy in Egypt, Youcef Nadarkhani in Iran, and Said Musa and Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan) demonstrates that for all too many Muslim authorities, there is no religious liberty in Islam. In working for religious liberty, Asma Uddin would be putting her life in jeopardy in many Muslim countries.

It is taken for granted these days even among many conservatives (including, apparently, those at First Things and National Review) that to point out such unpleasant facts reflects more poorly on the one pointing out the atrocities than on those committing them, and is a manifestation of “hatred,” “bigotry,” “intolerance” and “Islamophobia.” George goes even farther, grounding his naïve and uncritical stance in the teachings of the Second Vatican Council about how Muslims “worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has also spoken to men,” and who “highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, almsgiving, and fasting.”

That’s fine, but did the fathers of the Second Vatican Council really mean by these words to exempt Islam and Muslims from justifiable criticism for human rights abuses sanctioned by Islamic law, to say nothing of the increasing violent persecution of Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan and elsewhere? So many Catholics like George invoke Vatican II to say of Muslims, “We both worship the same God,” as if that forecloses all discussion of jihad terror and Muslim persecution. Yet it could also be said of child-molesting Roman Catholic priests and the members of the Westboro Baptist Church – don’t both groups worship God who is one and esteem an upright life, or at least pay lip service to uprightness?

“Over the centuries,” says George, “many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.” The key word in that sentence is “mutual.” In January 2011, Pope Benedict XVI condemned the bombing of the Coptic Orthodox cathedral in Alexandria, Egypt by Islamic jihadists — whereupon al-Azhar broke off its dialogue with the Vatican and said it would not be restored until the Pope affirmed that Islam was a religion of peace for which he had respect. Pope Benedict did not do this. Pope Francis has. In September 2013, he wrote to Ahmed Al Tayyeb, the Grand Imam of al-Azhar, affirming his respect for Islam; the Grand Imam replied that “casting Islam in a negative light is ‘a red line’ that must not be crossed.” That clearly indicated that the dialogue, once resumed, will not be allowed to discuss the Muslim persecution of Christians, especially since an incidence of that persecution led to the suspension of dialogue in the first place.

But if the dialogue cannot address that persecution, what good could it possibly do? If Christians cannot discuss Muslim persecution of their coreligionists with Muslims of good will, then one certain outcome of the dialogue will be that nothing will be done to stop the Muslim persecution of Christians. George writes: “Let those of us who are Christians reject the untrue and unjust identification of all Muslims with those evildoers who commit acts of terror and murder in the name of Islam” – yet when al-Azhar raged against Pope Benedict for condemning the jihad bombing of the Coptic cathedral, it was not Christians who were identifying these respected clerics with the evildoers. The venerable clerics were doing it themselves.

Even if they hadn’t, it is false that to discuss how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism is somehow identifying all Muslims with those who commit acts of jihad terror. Muslims of good will should welcome such discussions, participate in them, and work to formulate comprehensive and convincing refutations of the jihadists’ exegesis of the Qur’an and Hadith. Instead, even many self-styled “moderate” Muslim organizations such as the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) have spread the false claim that George implies here, that calling attention to Islamic justifications for jihad violence is an exercise in “bigotry.” They should be seeing it as an invitation to reform. That they do not is telling.

George points out that his Muslim friends “do not want their children to be suicide bombers” and “do not want to impose Islam on those who do not freely embrace it.” He says that “it is unjust to stir up fear that they seek to take away our rights or to make them afraid that we seek to take away theirs.” No one – contrary to smears that once again emanate from groups like CAIR – actually wants to take away their rights. And I am sure that George’s friends have no interest in imposing Islam on non-Muslim Americans. But is George unaware of or indifferent to the Muslims who have stated a desire to bring the U.S. under the rule of Islamic law?

A captured internal Muslim Brotherhood document, “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America,” explains that the Brotherhood’s agenda in the U.S. is subversive: the Muslim Brothers “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

Perhaps Robert George doesn’t know that this document exists, or doesn’t think it important, despite the fact that virtually all of the major Muslim organizations in the U.S. have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. And several Muslim leaders and spokesmen have affirmed the same aspiration. The imam Siraj Wahhaj, a sought-after speaker in mosques and Islamic centers nationwide, advocated for a caliphate in a 1992 speech to a U.S. Muslim audience. Daniel Pipes recounted, “if only Muslims were more clever politically, he told his New Jersey listeners, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate.” Said Wahhaj: “If we were united and strong, we’d elect our own emir [leader] and give allegiance to him….[T]ake my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us.”

Muhammad Faheed, a speaker at a Muslim Students Association meeting at Queensborough Community College in New York in 2003, declared that Muslims “must not recognize any government authority, or any authority at all besides Allah.” Working himself into a frenzy, he shouted, “We are not Americans. We are Muslims. [The U.S.] is going to deport and attack us! It is us vs. them! Truth against falsehood! The colonizers and masters against the oppressed, and we will burn down the master’s house! We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don’t lobby Congress or protest because we don’t recognize Congress. The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it. . . . Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah.”

Then there’s Omar Ahmad, CAIR’s co-founder and longtime Board Chairman, who told a Muslim crowd in California in 1998 that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran…should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

In 2007, as-Sabiqun, a Muslim group based in Washington, D.C., announced on its website its intention to establish an Islamic state in America by mid-century: “As-Sabiqun is an Islamic movement that believes in the Islamic State of North America no later than 2050. Those who engage in this great effort require a high level of commitment and determination. We are sending out a call to the believers: Join with us in this great struggle to change the world!”

Is it wrong to take notice of such statements? George and Potemra apparently think so; Potemra says that George is “correct to say that Islam, in its openness to God and to transcendent values, is an ally of all of us who think that the materialistic reduction of sexuality is a wrong path for humanity to take.” Potemra once asserted: “The Koran is one of the loveliest books ever written, a distillation of monotheism that is full of spiritual wisdom, and I never fail to profit from my reading of it” – an odd thing to say without any qualification about a book that three times exhorts believers to slay unbelievers wherever they are found (2:191, 4:89, 9:5); says that Allah transformed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs (2:63-65, 5:59-60, 7:166); labels Jews and Christians who do not accept Muhammad and Islam as the most vile of created beings (98:6); recommends the beating of disobedient women (4:34); and tells believers to be merciful to one another but harsh to unbelievers (48:29). Likewise now, it is odd that he and George are recommending as allies against “the materialistic reduction of sexuality” the adherents of a religious tradition that sanctions polygamy, divorce at a word from the husband to the abandoned wife, sex slavery (the Qur’an gives Muslim men permission to have four wives plus the “captives their right hands own” (4:3)), and child marriage (in imitation of Muhammad’s consummation of his marriage to Aisha when he was 54 and she was 9; the Qur’an stipulates that divorce laws apply also to wives who have “not yet menstruated” (65:4)).

“I applaud Professor George,” says Potemra, “for appealing to the better angels of our nature.” It is certainly true that all human beings deserve respect, and equal protection before the law. No Muslims should be victimized, brutalized, vilified, blamed for acts with which they had nothing to do, or discriminated against. This equable and charitable treatment is not in the least reduced or impinged upon by counter-terror efforts or honest discussion of how Islamic jihadists use core teachings of Islam to justify their actions and make recruits among peaceful Muslims. It is not “appealing to the better angels of our nature” to turn a blind eye to the now-rampant Muslim persecution of Christians or to the human rights abuses that Islamic law enables and justifies.

Resistance to jihad terror and Islamic supremacism is now almost universally reviled as “hate,” with the George/Potemra approach considered to be the broad-minded, open-hearted alternative. But it is not “hate” to stand for justice even when the perpetrators of injustice are Muslims acting in the name of Islam. It is not “bigotry” to notice that Islamic jihadists are in virtually every case devoted adherents of Islam and indefatigable Qur’an-quoters, and to call upon peaceful Muslims to work against their influence within Muslim communities. It is not “racism” to stand against an ideology and societal model against which millions of Egyptians demonstrated last summer, not wanting to live under a system that institutionalizes oppression of women and non-Muslims and destroys the freedom of speech any more than non-Muslims do.

In fact, those who are truly heeding the “better angels of our nature” are standing up fearlessly against Sharia injustice and violence incited by the Qur’an, even despite the pressure from Robert George and Michael Potemra to join the herd of those who wink at these injustices in the interests of a spurious and ultimately self-defeating “natural alliance.”

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defcon 4

It’s always interesting how musl0nazis ascribe to Jews the behaviors they themselves exhibit in spades.

they honestly believe that Jews train sharks to attack tourists to hurt Egyptian tourism industry. What do you expect? He doesn’t even know what word ‘zionism’ means. If i recognize Israel, i’m sorta Zionist though not Jew. It’s an ideology for Jews to create national state. How is it different from other independence movements? Chechen ones, e.g.? or Uyghur ones? No different other than attempts to ascribe all the evil to Jews, thanks to Quran which refers to them as sons of pigs and apes :X

MukeNecca

Jamal. The preacher in your youtube video seems to be an elated cretin radiating, beside congenital inanity, happiness, confidence and a healthy dose of hate – an amalgam so common among those who found truth in Kuran. Is he, per chance, a relative of yours? I am asking because you too appear to be a genuine ninny and this often runs in family. Especially families with high occurrence of inbreeding and mule molesting.
Keep on gibbering, Jamal. Your hilarious absurdities help very much to alleviate the depression and gloom of our crazy era.

Your going to have to excuse me if I take a pass on your so called peace, praise Jesus and pass the ammunition. Deo Volente!

defcon 4

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Steven M Tenneshaw

Did your mother have any kids that lived?

Mike Wilson

It’s quite simply really. Love the individual muslim, and be nice. Hate the fact that they are embroiled in one of the most wicked and deceptive schemes yet devised by the devil. They are caught in a fear-driven pseudo religion and need to be prised out one-by-one by the saving grace of Jesus.

Bamaguje

Seriously, I doubt that the so-called professor Robert George is really a Princeton professor. He certainly doesn’t think like one… ignoring the abundant doctrinal evidence in Islamic scriptures (Quran, Hadith, Sirat) promoting violent intolerance.
The ‘professor’ is a clueless willfully blind dhimmi who projects his Christian values of tolerance onto Muslims. Just because he wishes Islam is peaceful and tolerant doesn’t make it so.
The dhimmi ignoramus masquerading as professor should read the Quran to find out what Islam actually says about Christians:

“Fight against Christians and Jews that do not believe in Allah or in the last day…and do not embrace the true faith (Islam)” – Q 9:29

knowshistory

oh, but he does indeed think like a professor.. and that is no compliment to his intellect or integrity.

Guest

Prof.George should realize that “they” do not have the same mindset as a true Christian. If he has not recognized this by now, he is not keeping up with current events. Our country is becoming so “tolerant” of every other religion and lifestyle that we are losing our voice, our strength, our values, our common sense and our freedoms.

C. B. Bergin

Good Call Mr. Spencer. I subscribe to both magazines, and those people have lost their minds. There is no compromise with Islam. They are killing each other and they are coming to kill us. It isn’t a religion. It is a cult.

dcmortimer

They all look through the same Eye that is the Eye of Sharia law , they see us as weak because of our democracy they will use our democracy as the Trojan horse for take over.

Myrtle Linder

You got that right!! They hate the guts of Christians, therefore they will never be allies with Christians But, we have another element in the USA. Many like them hate GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, of course they will be buddy buddy with them, until they got everything that they can get and then they will kill them. Those killed cannot share the loot with them. They won’t share and they won’t be friends, they are not friends with their own kind and think nothing of killing each other. We have some them in the USA.

PhillipGaley

“Good call Mr. Spencer.”?

This author is unaware of—or ignores—several things: In any open-handed consideration, though operating under self-declaration, and to some extent, the ostensible appearances of a religion, firstly, not in any way is Islam faith-based; for, the Moslem accepts that, he is to die and at that moment, is then put to beg the Allah persona for a lifetime of forgiveness, but yet, to not know beforehand, what Allah’s whim of that moment might be.

Also, not in the slightest is Islam constituted in doctrines which may be inquired into, nor does it suffer individual doctrinal interpretation or application, except as done or allowed by a Mullah for maintainance of the whole, but rather, it is perpetuated by constraint through patterns of conduct which are forced upon the subservient neophyte.

And with, not “a” scarf or “a” hijab, but in “the” hijab, the item itself is identified as a religious prime element, and is therefrom an element for focus of idolotrous worship. And equally, as with wearing of the hijab, if in the very least—but in many other Islamic doctrines, as easily—for the promise of seventy-two virgins, Islamists are not able to see a return to spiritual existence through an end of physical life, but throughout eternity, are to continue in sexual intercourse; and so that, presenting all things to resolve to corporeal conclusions—as for example, the ancients did in using phallic carvings for gate handles and door pulls, supposing thereby in touching of such to gain strength—if Islam is a religion, it is therefore fraught with paganism.

And further, in characteristic cruelties, in the silent atrocity of child-brides, in the foolish and weak-minded pagan nonsense as providing protection against concupisence in a man, and which is presented as reason enough as to why women are to be covered from head-to-toe, in lack of punishment upon the male perpetrators for a woman having been forced, and partly because, “Satisfaction for a man is any woman’s duty.”, Islam is seen to involves and maintains itself in state-sponsored, institutionalized sensuality, and more completely fulfilling aspects for the definition a criminal ideology.

But for all this and more, my question would be: In it’s cruelty, the more mature among them teaching mayhem and suicide to their own children, in chopping and hacking heads and hands off, burying alive, stoning, throwing acid—and, done under the rubric of a so-called religious sense of honor—appearing most clearly described as self-actualizing invention by bad men and for the use and caprice of bad men, in the Moslem nations’ inbreeding from the practice of 1st cousin marriage—producing triple the rate of birth defects, and low IQ conjoint to emotional instability so that, Islam can exist only as parasitic upon larger and whole societies, that or else—as with any criminal enterprise—immediately must it descend into grinding poverty—just when there shall have been sufficient record of criminal and otherwise anti-social activity and mayhem, the world round, to have the nasty thing recognized in law as criminal / terrorist—assets seized, wiretaps, etc., the damnable thing stomped out, every mosque an ash pit no less than five feet deep, so that, as the prophecy goes, the False Prophet shall then have been cast into The Lake of Fire—to do our part to make the world safe for freedom of choice, , , , safe for women and children—but when?

Silver Gonzales

As a Jew, I though that Jews were stupid and willfully ignorant regarding Islam. Obviously I can say the same about Catholics too I am sad to say, regarding Islam, although the brave Mr Spencer is Catholic. Maybe Mr. Spencer is the exception, who knows. How else to explain the 2x elected Obama and his band of America/West/Israeli hating appointees given the voting results in predominantly Catholic counties in the US..

Sad that Western Catholics and Protestants, in general, do not have any desire to help their co-religionists in the Muslim world. The minority that still exists there.

A gentleman who warned me about Islam, years before 9/11 was Catholic from Egypt. It is impossible for a non Muslim to have a normal life in Egypt.

Egypt, a big American ally. What a pathetic fact that America has turned its back on their suffering. Even during the 1980s, Jerry Falwell never discussed the war against the Christianity on his Sunday show. The Pope was equally pathetic. As the current pope is.

But being a professor, despite his nationality proves me correct when I say that professors and politicians are the true enemies of the West, save the few men such as the CNN banned Daniel Pipes. And this is 12 years since 9/11.
America is still asleep. Sad.

defcon 4

Asleep? Or pretending to be asleep?

motorwayphobia

Hopefully just pretending until the right time to deal with the problem completely .

Jsjk

I just read that the pope wants to travel to Palestinian-controlled Bethlehem so as to promote the Palestinian “cause”. Not considering, of course, that Christians have been driven from Bethlehem by Muslim Palestinian terrorists. The current pope is a menace, IMO. He opposes capitalism, loves illegal immigrants, and promotes jihad — fabulous combination, just what the world needs. /sarc

Guest

I wondered why in Revelations in the Bible that Rome, the city sitting on 7 hills, could be linked with the enemy of God’s chosen people, the Jews. That seems to be a link. It’s scary. I just never dreamed it would happen in our lifetime. I believe there are millions of Catholic Christians who would be shocked to know that the Pope wants to promote the Palestinian Arabs against Israel. Possibly because of the main stream medias’ choosing sides with the “Left” “Progressives” (communist term btw). They get one version of the news re: the middle east. They don’t know that Israel never fires first. They don’t know how much land Israel,( a nation so small the entire nation would fit into Lake Michigan )has already given to the enemies that surround her. They don’t remember Israelis’ being forcefully taken from their homes and their own land and having to hand it to the Palestinians at the hands of the US who wanted another “peace treaty”, that they took & turned into a battlefield…putting Israel at further risk. My GOD! what is WRONG with us to turn on our most and almost ONLY TRUE ALLY in the middle east?

PhillipGaley

“shocked”?

Well, the Palestinian Arabs—and in fact, all Moslem nations—the Nazis, the Catholics, and some others are constituted and exist in the secular administrative model: “Birds of a feather cannot but flock together.”, . . . that’s just the way it is, . . .

defcon 4

No, you can’t tell me islamic states are secular, not when they all have enforced blasphemy and heresy laws (sometimes enforced under different names. The Nazis didn’t particularly care if you insulted G-d or Christianity, after all, they were an insult to both.

PhillipGaley

M-m-m, . . . looks like you’re confusing yourself, . . . again: I said that, those nations now exist in a special appearance of the administrative model vis-a-vis that administrative government to come, . . . that which is then to be permanently relied upon, . . . as referred to in Isaiah 9:6 and following, . . .

Also, if a customary liar should occasionally speak truth but for all this, that one is hardly to be accepted as an honest man, why then, by what form of logic in language and thought is a group which is constituted in a criminal ideology, for their use of proscription in a blasphemy law—and though with punishment—or, say, pronouncement of a finding of heresy—even with some kind of punishment—then to have turned that group into a body of faith-based religionists?

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

Back in the heyday of the Soviet Union, communists were the puritans that railed about the decadent West. Would Prof George have said “I stand with the Communists” because of their “modesty” and ignore the repression of his fellow Christians?

There’s a reason that Ataturk forcefully opposed the wearing of “modest” Islamic women’s garb. He knew the intimidation that women would be subjected to by the devout. Perhaps Prof. George might actually study Islamic history before speaking.

Sharps Rifle

He probably would have (and likely DID) stand with the Communists. Academics are the biggest morons (Ivy Leaguers, especially) and traitors to Liberty on this planet.

Mark Goldberg

I’m sure when the muslims in Nigeria killed 53 people in a church by locking the door, then slitting the throats of those trying to escape, they were internally struggling with issues of piety- hence the meaning of ‘Jihad’. The many multiple thousands of similar slaughters by muslims similarly invoke that deep spiritual search that is always attributed to a few extremists.

defcon 4

And we all noticed the spontaneous outrage and protests among the “moderate” islam0nazi world to the murder of unarmed Christians by their fellow islam0nazis.

oldtimer

Muslims worship satan….Christians worship God….big difference

dcmortimer

Islam in the west has to prove to me that it is evolving into a modern version of the brutal Islam I see in Islamic countries that shows no tolerance to the “Infidel” as they call non Muslims ,Saudi Arabia is the most Racist country on the planet and we in the west cozy up to it because of its “oil” this country is a cesspool of hate how any non Muslim goes there to work is beyond me , it just shows you how desperate poor people are to earn a crust.

Loupdegarre

Bring back Charles Martel.

Hawkeye3939

You gotta love The Hammer!!

Hawkeye3939

Islam is a primitive cult which must be exterminated from the face of the earth.

ping

So if Muslims are a bunch of violent, slave-owning, intolerant, misogynists, is that why 70% of them in America used to vote Republican before the war on terror?

wildjew

According to one piece: Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and the GOP’s pointman for attracting Muslims, argues that “Bush’s talk about outreach and inclusion had extraordinary results—the Muslim community went 2-1 for Bill Clinton [in 1996] and almost 8-1 for Bush.”49

On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, the second presidential debate took place in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. The Topic was foreign policy.

Al GORE: “…And as for singling people out because of race, you know James Byrd was singled out because of his race, in Texas. And other Americans have been singled out because of their race or—or ethnicity. And that’s why I think that we can embody our values by passing a hate crimes law. I think these crimes are different.

I think they’re different because they’re based on prejudice and hatred, which is — which gives rise to crimes that have not just a single victim, but they’re intended to stigmatize and dehumanize a whole group of people.

LEHRER: Do you have a different view of that?

BUSH: No, I don’t really.

LEHRER: On hate crimes violence?

BUSH: No, I — we got one in Texas, and guess what? The three men who murdered James Byrd, guess what’s going to happen to them? They’re going to be put to death. A jury found them guilty and I — it’s going to be hard to punish them any worse after they get put to death. And it’s the right cost; it’s the right decision.

And secondly, there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what’s called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that. My friend, Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect…”

According to one author, “code words” like racial profiling and secret evidence unlocked the Muslim vote.

nopeacenow

There is no doubt Muslims in America vote Democrat. Our esteemed President says he is a Christian but surrounds himself with members of the Muslim Brotherhood and supported the MB in Egypt. He might as well be a Muslim for he is doing whatever a “Muslim” president would have done in his position.

ping

Do you not understand how the past participle works? Muslims started voting Democrat in droves once “former” communists like David Horowitz and Robert Spencer became a louder voice in the American right, expressing the same hatred for Muslims that Marxists have always had, from the Soviet repressions in Turkestan, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc. to more recent incidents such as socialist Milosevic’s war against Bosniaks and Kosovars to the PRC’s assault of Xinjiang.

nopeacenow

Are you saying there is no hate for Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims by Muslims? Horowitz and Spencer know what is going on. Apparently you don’t. Muslims intend to rule the world and will kill anyone who gets in their way.

ping

And yet, they still managed to vote for Bush in 2000, an outspoken evangelical Christian who was strong in his support for Israel (though I suppose you think he “governed like a Muslim” for putting Shi’ite Islamists in charge of Iraq and not killing every last Afghan). Either your understanding of said hatred is greatly exaggerated, or they’re doing a very bad job at it. Horowitz and Spencer are deranged imbeciles.

defcon 4

That doesn’t seem to excuse them from islam0fascist death threats though does it Mahmoud?

nopeacenow

Now why would they vote for Bush? Left-wing Democrats would be more to their liking. They would surrender the US without a fight. Multiculturalism and all that baloney.

Drakken

Rather interesting that you take great offense that the Russians and Serbs know the danger that islam is and takes measures to ensure the survival of their people. Islam is our enemy period. Once things in Europe have reached critical mass, there will be a Balkans on steroids that will make a Serb blush with envy.

ping

More interesting that people on a supposedly conservative website defend communists, and equate the Soviet Union (a multinational empire) with Russia. The Russians don’t hate Islam, which is why they don’t have the same conflicts with Tatarstan that they do with Chechnya, and let Central Asian Muslims migrate into their country (sorry if you think Putin is a heroic crusader). As for Serbia, FPM also had articles opposing Milosevic, some even written by Muslim Suleyman Schwartz (“Creeping shariah!”). But what do I know, maybe the massacres against Croats were to save Serbia from the danger of Popery.

Drakken

I do not confuse the Soviet Union with Russia today, although their methods of dealing with muslims is the same, so don’t confuse me with someone who carries water for the communists. I never said I supported communist Milosevic, although I do approve of Serbs taking I to the muslims, as for the Croats? You do know that the Croats and Serbs went after the muslims right? In case it has escaped your notice, but the muslims in Kosovo and Bosnia are gearing up for another go round and this time the Russians, who have over 1,800 “advisors” in the region to help out their Serbian brothers, and the Croats will be throwing in the weight as well and split Bosnia into their respective spheres after it is all said and done. As for Tartarstan, the muslims there know that if they get mother Russia upset, that the Russians will do to them what they did in Chechnya. It is not that I support communism, because I don’t, but their method then and now against his Islamic scourge is all good in mybook. Just wait until the chins in China have enough of their muslim problem, they at least are not afraid to get the job done, unlike us who are afraid to offend the savages.

defcon 4

“Popery” or potpourri? Because popery doesn’t seem to constitution much of a danger to anyone in the 21st century Mehmet.

Tanks-a-lot

so, what of muslim hatred of Harbis and Kafirs?

Are we non-muslims supposed to ignore the core hatred required by mohammad?

defcon 4

The only countries which practice legalized slavery in the 21st century? The islamic states of Mauritania and the Sudan.

LibertarianToo

Yes, 70% of the 1532 Muslims in America before 9/11 used to vote Republican.

wildjew

Mr. Spencer, I had to go back to the Second Vatican Council after reading your translation. The one I am reading is different I think.

You wrote (quoting): Muslims “worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has also spoken to men,” and who “highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, almsgiving, and fasting.”

Mine says:

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

Someone might correct me if I am wrong. It seems to be saying, Muslims and Christians worship the same God, THE “one (true?) God living and subsisting in himself….”

knowshistory

one of the greatest weaknesses of Christians and Jews is the perception that they cannot debunk Allah without debunking their own “one true” god. they may be right. so what is it going to be? allow Allah to exterminate us while we cling to the “one true” god that will not do one thing to save us, or start debunking? think about it. if Allah and the “one true” god are the same, he has a lot of explaining to do. if they are not the same, why not debunk the more evil of the two? if the “one true” god cant stand the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen.

wildjew

I think it is important to state clearly, the Allah of the Qur’an is not the God of Israel; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If Allah were the God of Israel why is the better part of the Muslim world at war with Israel?

Here is an even more difficult question. If Christianity’s God is the Holy One of Israel why are Christian nations (including this one; the United States) in league with the Muslim world trying to wrest lands that the God of Israel gave to the sons of Israel by covenant?

Tanks-a-lot

“why are Christian nations”

Name one that doesn’t have a sanitized godless government.

LibertarianToo

. . .thank god. You see the dangers of theocracy in every muslim nation.

Tanks-a-lot

silly moron.
The Church and State mixed out of necessity when Islam arose.

knowshistory

so are you ready to make the leap an announce that allah is actually the figment of the imagination of a desert psychopath who used his made up god to justify his every crime and to control his followers? since not one legitimate miracle has ever been attributed to allah, and their all-knowing allah didn’t know that bacteria cause disease, the world and planets revolve around the sun, male emissions determine the gender of a child, and the sun does not set into a mudhole, the evidence is overwhelming that their all knowing god don’t know jack chit. the problem is that the evidence for the Judeo-Christian god is not much stronger. will you sacrifice your Judeo-Christian god to get rid of the worst menace to ever threaten the freedom of man? nevermind the actual qualifications of competing gods, there can be no question that of all the gods, allah is the most evil, the most reprehensible, and the most dishonest. we can live with the Judeo-Christian myth. we cannot coexist with allah.

wildjew

I have a hard enough time defending my own God who cherishes freedom. What part of the “Judeo” God do you think is myth? Why must I sacrifice my God to get rid of the worst menace to ever threaten the freedom of man?

defcon 4

It’s the all too-typical atheist response. It’s not islam that’s the problem it’s all religion. They can’t see the trees for the forest. At least Bangladeshi atheists have the courage to criticise islam w/o blaming “religion” for islam’s faults.

Drakken

The Christian/Jewish God is not the same God as the muslims, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together can see that by muslim actions every where they park their carcasses.

truebearing

Nonsense. The commandments of the God of Judaism and the teachings of Christ are filled with ethical and moral teachings on how humans are to treat each other. The teachings Mohammed, the voice of Allah’s laws, are filled with hate, incitement to rape, enslave, and murder fellow human beings. Mohammed is the ultimate incarnation of evil on earth, and his religion lives down to his heinous example. Mohammed is a perfect characterization of Satan. That alone should be enough to differentiate the “god” in Islam vs the God of Christianity or Judaism.

Islam is a cut and paste job, borrowing and bastardizing key elements from both Judaism and Christianity, but its message is starkly opposite both of its sources. Unless one argues that God is schizophrenic, it simply doesn’t work.

As for the Quran claiming the God of Abraham, I could make up a religion, steal from the true Abrahamic religions and claim my religion’s God is the same one, even though nothing in my fake religion’s teachings are compatible with those I plagiarized, but that wouldn’t make it true.

http://AbercrombieMediates.com/ aberlaw

Here Here!!!!

grog

Obviously, George has NOT studied, at least in any depth, any of the Koranic texts that are supported by Muslem clerics across the world every Friday.

Mo Pbuh

Spencer’s slander is appalling. I was but 53.

defcon 4

“slander”, the new euphemism for islam0nazi blasphemy and heresy laws.

Adheeb

Rousas John Rushdoony wrote, “Every law-system must maintain its existence by hostility to every other law-system and to alien religious foundations, or else it commits suicide.”. Unfortunately Muslims understand this but neither Mr. Spencer nor Professor George do.

knowshistory

actually, some muslims are our natural allies. they don’t want to be, but they just cant help it. due to the extreme willful ignorance cowardice, and apathy of fools in the west, islam is winning decisively. the only hope for some portion of the suicidal west to remain free of the vile plague of islam is the fact that our friends, the violent jihadis, keep trying to wake us up. to survive in the war we are determined to lose, we must experience a terror even so catastrophic that we wake up and expel all muslims from every country that still has the ability to expel its invaders. the only salvation of the west is the terror faction of Islamic jihad.

Anukem Jihadi

Allies in forgetfulness yes

Flashbang

IS A SNAKE THE NATURAL ALLY OF A RAT?

aizeta

CHINOS (Christians In Name Only)

0jr

while your at nit picking about a headress don’t they jail you in the west for wearing 1

defcon 4

No. Did you remember to wipe w/an odd number of stones this a.m.?

nopeacenow

Christians, including Catholics are persecuted in Muslim countries. We, in the West have nothing to learn from Muslim culture. Islam is not a peaceful religion. It’s aim is world domination. Just the same at fascism and communism but hidden because it is “supposedly” a religion.

wildjew

The late Osama bin Laden said: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse.” Islam looks to be resurgent. If Obama is successful and Iran begins multiplying nuclear weapons, it will be increasingly difficult for believers to know where they should stand in these difficult times. Princeton Professor Robert P. George knows where he will stand.

chuckie2u

A true devout Marxist would work to remove all religions including Islam from the face of the globe. Either our American Marxist in Washington are using Islam to overthrow the U.S. or they have lost their minds. I am sure the true believers in Islam will use the Marxist to bring on the destruction of the Great Satan and then start exterminating the Marxist. The two systems are not compatible. Comrade Putin knows the score.

objectivefactsmatter

“Either our American Marxist in Washington are using Islam to overthrow the U.S. or they have lost their minds.”

Both.

defcon 4

Iran’s Communists were disappeared following the islamic revolution there. One of the first groups so targeted.

glpage

I wonder if these dolts who are blathering on about the wonderful modesty of Muslim feel the same way about modest Christian women.

LibertarianToo

They would like to see ALL women behave like the “modest” Muslim women. And no backtalk about abortion rights or equal pay or leaving the house without permission and a male family member. They have found common ground with Islam in Male Supremacy.

kilfincelt

As I see it, the problem with many in the West is that we try to project our values onto Muslim societies. We are unable to comprehend a culture that doesn’t value human life and doesn’t see God in the same way that we do.

Any non-Muslim who has really read and understood how the Qur’an is interpreted would not find beauty in it nor would they find a God similar to the Biblical one. Hate and an unwillingness to accept responsibility for one’s own actions is spread throughout it.

Admittedly, the degree to which a Muslim practices his or her religion varies just as it does in Christianity. However, as Mr. Spencer has correctly indicated, ignoring the more reprehensible aspects of the religion along with those who want to push their religion on to us by lying about it and their goals doesn’t do our Western society any good either nor does it protect those Muslims who really want to live in peace and freedom.

The Western world needs to open its eyes to what is happening in the Muslim world and speak out about the many human rights abuses that exist because of it. We need to understand that the problem is rooted in the teachings of Islam. Nothing will or even can change until we are willing to address the religion that is at the heart of it. People can call truthsayers, like Robert Spencer, bigots and racists all they like but name calling only furthers the agenda of those who want to destroy our way of life. Insisting on telling the truth, as Mr. Spencer does, is the only way to wake up people to the reality of what Islam really is.

wileyvet

Kerry-Jo Stewart, another multi-culti nitwit here in Canada. Another useful idiot in the stealth jihad overtaking every western nation. So you show how tolerant you are by dressing your 8 year old daughter up in a headscarf. Why stop there. She is old enough to be married off to a Muslim man. Hopefully she won’t die when the marriage is consummated when she turns 9.

wileyvet

Sorry folks, didn’t mean to post twice on the same topic. I posted this one because I thought my other post below had been dropped.

defcon 4

Hitler was kind to his dogs.

john spielman

True but he hated Jews, Slavic peoples, the disabled, communists, etc., and God will judge him. Jesus says that we must not only love our family(those who are fellow followers of Christ) but our neighbors and EVEN our enemies! We are to hate WHAT is evil not WHO is evil. That is why I hate Islam but not Muslims

defcon 4

BS, the muslimes CHOOSE to believe in their Jew hating, xenophobic death cult, they’re not the victims, they’re the perpetrators of worldwide islam0fascist jihad, intolerance, Jew hatred etc.

john spielman

you are right, but hating them will not cause them to change. If we can show compassion to these deceived people who worship Satan(Allah) and in so doing help God bring them to reject Islam and death and turn to Christ and live how much the better. I am NOT arguing that the govt should not wield the sword to stop Islamic violence, they must, and the govt must publicly rebuke Islam and all its evil tenets as being against EVERYTHING that the US stands for and hold so dear ( esp the antidemocratic pro apartheid sharia law)

defcon 4

Sorry, no compassion for nazis or islam0nazis. They’re my enemy. They wouldn’t show me one iota of compassion if I were to criticise their Jew hating, xenophobic, fascist, death cult in any of their various islam0nazi misery theme parks — incl. Dearbornistan, Michigan. Go hug a rainbow.

gracem

he wasn’t so kind to blondie!

GSR

This is laughable. It goes to show you how sick the modern, left-liberal-progressive mind is.

Steven M Tenneshaw

Baloney. National Review is a right-wing mag. Looks as if you’ve fallen for the Left-Right Con.

defcon 4

Yep, both left and right are collaborating w/islamonazis.

objectivefactsmatter

It looks like someone at National Review fell for the Good Muslim con.

GSR

Looks like you’re not able to discriminate crucial differences. 1) NRO is not “right wing”. Merely, mainstream Repub. 2) One person, with a slight connection to NRO and a naïve point of view agreed to “heee-jab” day.

marineh2ominer

Islams only natural ally is SATAN himself . America’s only natural ally is JESUS CHRIST .

herb benty

That the whole left and all it’s tentacles would embrace Islam, after spending 100 years vilifying our far superior Judeo-Christian Faith is very telling. The spirit of anti-Christ infests the Left, as they call bad good and good bad. We’re there.

herb benty

The Right has a natural alliance with Israel. The Left with Islam. Praise God from whom all blessings flow! We’ll find out soon enough.

cacslewisfan

Unbelievable. Muslims killing and oppressing Catholics all over the Middle East and the Western jack leg Catholics run an article about Muslims being their natural allies. By all means, please go to the Middle East and inform Muslims of their new “BFF” status. Let us know how it works out.

herb benty

Muslims have been experimenting all over the globe, they noticed they could kill with impunity. They believe America is the same.

objectivefactsmatter

In theory they are better allies to conservative than to leftists.

In theory. Funny how when Soviet agitation propaganda served their interest better, the jihadis just didn’t see any value in aligning with American conservatives or Christians, unless of course we’re talking about the cultural-leftist radical (crypto-communist) Christians.

Our natural allies come to us. A tree is known by its fruit. Humans are slightly more complicated but when that’s the best evidence you have, you go with it.

defcon 4

Humans are slightly more complicated and much more deadly — especially those who subscribe to a certain Jew hating, xenophobic, fascist theology.

truebearing

George and Potemra are abject morons. Delusional and idiotic doesn’t begin to describe their pathetic maunderings on Islam or Christianity. They are two of the stupidest people I have had the displeasure of reading about in some time. Both should be fired.

orbicularioculi

These IDIOTS are Muslim “tools” completely oblivious to the obvious. Islam is a hateful, sociopathic intolerant political system of which only about 15% or less is Religion based.

celador2

Never trust jihad or Islamists. Many terrorist live in the US and train here. The Kenyan mall terrorists have members in US as does Al Q and others. Why would Muslims come to US or Europe since we have our hair free and loose? Why are you here? The Boston marathon bombers were terrorists and traveled home after refugee status. I see no Muslim nation inviting other faiths to move there. Why do they move here and never criticize the jihadists.

Ross

Breaking news here in Indonesia -shariah police in Aceh are now ordering Christians, and other non-Muslims, to wear the hijab!

One of the only Christians I know who recognized islam for what it is was a South Korean Christian I knew. He knew about the pogroms committed against ethnic Chinese in Indonesiastan, as well as the persecution of anyone non-muslim. Considering most of the Christians I meet in the US are brain dead from the neck up WRT islam, I was shocked to hear his frank appraisal of what islam had brought to SE Asia.

disqus

Give or take about 50 years and we are under muslim regime

defcon 4

I agree, unless there’s a civil war we’ll be living under aspects of Sharia law.

sandraleesmith46

Right on! God declared a woman’s hair her crowning glory: doesn’t sound like something to be hidden to me. I made sure NO head covering touched my head that day, not even out in the cold! These folks supporting that here are following taqqiya, and will find out to their horror Islam is NOT what they’re being told! Unfortunately, they also drag the rest of us WITH them!

Bronson

This Princeton Professor Robert P George the same Robert P George who co-authored this piece: http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/01/01/a_bad_year_for_christians_in_the_middle_east_110179.html. This might suggest he is somewhat inconsistent when he then labels Muslims as natural allies to Catholics. But not so as a closer reading and following that page to the US Council on International Religious Freedom see(http://www.uscirf.gov/index.php), which George chairs, will lead one to observe that while George knows all about religiously motivated violence he will not name which religion it is even though it is all about violence in Muslim countries. Where it does mention Islam it is David Cameron style categorization of the violence as being anti-Islamic!!!

cacslewisfan

That is tragic. Hopefully they are able to return home one day.

defcon 4

In all probability they were murdered by “moderate” Turkish muslimes already.

billobillo54

Western secular, progressive post modern liberals are “natural allies” of Islam due to their shared hatred of Christianity, their shared hatred of western civil liberties, their shared hatred of western values of tolerance, their shared hatred of western disdain for authoritarianism, their shared hatred of Christian sexual mores that prohibit sexual servitude, child marriage and polygamy, their shared hatred of the only classically liberal nation in the Middle East: Israel, their shared hatred of capitalism and free markets and their shared hatred of western civilization and its hegemony over the past 500 years.