PoisonAlchemist: Man Muro, you boost my confidence and then you just go crush it with a heartbreaking work of staggering genius.Pariah: Don't tell him things like that, if his head gets any bigger he'll float off like a weather ballon :p

I am 60 subs to 291 comments. My greatest shame is that I know that I focus more on my own posts than other peoples' :p Which is why I sometimes make myself read a sub and comment on it, even if I don't feel like it!

I am a little self centered with my contributions to the citadel and I know it!

What should it be? 4 comments for every post, 10 comments for every post, how many of those comments are on your own material.

I made 81 comments on my own material, but most of those are update notifications and replies to other comments. I don't think they count towards the 555 total on my profile page. As a general rule, whenever I submit a sub I try to comment on every other post on the front page as well. At the very least, this should net me about 10 comments per submission as a bare minimum. I think that's pretty fair.

Both. Writing is my first passion, but I understand the pain that comes from writing a sub that gains very little attention. So even if I'm not currently looking for material to use in a game, I do my best to read and comment on other people's work -- especially those subs which have fewer than three comments.

Or posters who by the very nature of their posting expect more attention than they are giving others?

I'm assuming you're talking about people who write extremely lengthy submissions, or large numbers of submissions without commenting very often on other peoples' work (or leaving only votes). This is definitely a pet peeve. If I see a lot of recent posts from an author but few if any comments from them, I tend to start skipping over their stuff when it comes up on the front page.

What should it be? 4 comments for every post, 10 comments for every post, how many of those comments are on your own material.

It should be nothing. I find that a meaningless concept. I write when I can and read/comment by the same criteria; I speak when I have something to say. Sometimes I write more and sometimes I read more. I enjoy immersing myself in my own and others' creativity. My only regret is not writing and reading more.

I come here to revel in creativity. Sometimes that's sharing my work. Sometimes it's being fascinated by the work of others. Sometimes it's just to hang out in chat and be silly (but in a creative way.)

I appreciate their participation to the level they are comfortable with. In fact, I would love to see more of the Barbarian Horde make accounts and comment on the stuff they use, even if they never write a single sub.

What should it be? 4 comments for every post, 10 comments for every post, how many of those comments are on your own material.

It should be nothing. I find that a meaningless concept. I write when I can and read/comment by the same criteria; I speak when I have something to say. Sometimes I write more and sometimes I read more. I enjoy immersing myself in my own and others' creativity. My only regret is not writing and reading more.

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What about voting, is voting an important part of the site? A part of the creative process? Is it rude to read something and not vote or not comment?

What about voting, is voting an important part of the site? A part of the creative process? Is it rude to read something and not vote or not comment?

I try to vote and comment on everything I read and I appreciate the votes and comments that I receive on my own work. I do my best to upvote the most useful and insightful comments (on any sub, not just mine), taking many of them to heart and improving what I do through them. Still, I dislike the idea of an expectation of a vote or a comment. I appreciate what is and don't worry about what isn't.

Before Strolen's, I tried a writing site that required a certain amount of feedback on others' work before a post could be made and I did not enjoy the experience.

Are you referring to formal expectation or a sense of etiquette? I was referring to sense of etiquette when I started this thread, thus asking people for personal sense of proper behavior...aka should as oppose to have too. You do feel oppressed or put upon by online etiquette? Thus a code etiquette with regard to commenting and voting that demands that person should behave a certain way is meaningless. I can see your point. I have grown to appreciate etiquette but I can see why you say "It should be nothing". Do you feel that is fair that as requirement to vote you are required to post? You have to have x number of post to achieve a certain level and those levels control your voting.

Put simply, I don't think there should be any expectation, forced or otherwise, about voting and posting.

The way things are now:

If someone posts and comments, they are adding to the wealth of material and joining in the discussion. Excellent.

If someone posts but does not comment, they are adding to the wealth of material here, even if they do not join in the discussion. Great. I might learn something, use it in my own game, or be inspired.

If someone comments but does not post, they are adding to the discussion and enhancing the experience, even if they do not provide material of their own. Also great. They may still provide insight.

The Horde reads but does not post or comment. Still good, because others find worth in what we do.

Put simply, I don't think there should be any expectation, forced or otherwise, about voting and posting.

The way things are now:

If someone posts and comments, they are adding to the wealth of material and joining in the discussion. Excellent.

If someone posts but does not comment, they are adding to the wealth of material here, even if they do not join in the discussion. Great. I might learn something, use it in my own game, or be inspired.

If someone comments but does not post, they are adding to the discussion and enhancing the experience, even if they do not provide material of their own. Also great. They may still provide insight.

The Horde reads but does not post or comment. Still good, because others find worth in what we do.

I strongly second this.

I think it's a flawed question, as I don't think anyone has a right to say "this is the correct amount of subs/comments to have!" The correct answer is: "The right amount, is however many comments or posts I have now."

This is a free, open to public website where people can recreationally come and submit their own content. However much content they choose to submit is entirely up to them. It is not a paid workforce who must create feedback and fresh ideas for everyone elses amusement. I feel it's unfair for anyone to think that just because they have posted a specific way, then others must and should be able to do so, as well.

The ONLY person as far as I am concerned, who has a right to say that there is a specific ideal ratio, is Strolen himself. Reason being: He owns, pays for and has built this site. He is providing a service for us at the cost of his own time and pocket, and if he thought that people should post at a certain ratio, he probably would have coded up some fancy thing which stops people from being able to post subs unless they've commented enough (please don't do that, btw Strolen :p)

Though I already have said I sometimes force myself into writing up comments when I don't feel like it, it's not a common thing for me to do.

I am here to have fun. If I am guilted into forcing out subs, comments and material because I don't feel i've met other peoples' expectations, I will stop having fun.The day Strolen's Citadel stops being fun for me is the day I leave it.

I am 60 subs to 291 comments. My greatest shame is that I know that I focus more on my own posts than other peoples' :p Which is why I sometimes make myself read a sub and comment on it, even if I don't feel like it!

I am a little self centered with my contributions to the citadel and I know it!

Thought you'd bring that up. i did say already admit that I had said that, Axle:

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Though I already have said I sometimes force myself into writing up comments when I don't feel like it, it's not a common thing for me to do.

Do you think that perhaps I was exaggerating, or do you really think that the greatest shame I have in my life is that I don't always make comments on a website? I WISH my life was so shame-free!

I am not a debater. I do not like debating. I knew I was going to regret making a comment in this thread, so my bad.

I don't care if sometimes what i say may contradict previously posted things. My comments stand unaltered and without justification, nor do I need to justify myself. I feel what I have said still makes sense. Take from it what you will or ignore it; i'm finished with this conversation.

PoisonAlchemist: Man Muro, you boost my confidence and then you just go crush it with a heartbreaking work of staggering genius.Pariah: Don't tell him things like that, if his head gets any bigger he'll float off like a weather ballon :p

What should it be? 4 comments for every post, 10 comments for every post, how many of those comments are on your own material.

I am satisfied with a minimum of 3 comments on a post, 4 if there are Vote Only comments

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Do you come here to write or to read?

Write

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Are you equal part fan and creator?

Creator

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How do you feel about critics who don't post?

I'm fine with them. We could use more.

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Or posters who by the very nature of their posting expect more attention than they are giving others?

That is Buster territory. Just because I put something out doesn't mean I expect it to be voted and commented on. I will conscientiously make an effort to read, vote, and comment on submissions that other people have done.

I am fine with commenting and voting. I don't care if a commenter or voter isn't a writer. Their action of reading, voting and commenting contributes to the Citadel and this is GOOD. I am slightly more opinionated towards writers who wont read/comment/vote on other people's stuff because we are a community of like minded individuals.

PoisonAlchemist: Man Muro, you boost my confidence and then you just go crush it with a heartbreaking work of staggering genius.Pariah: Don't tell him things like that, if his head gets any bigger he'll float off like a weather ballon :p

71 sub to 1071 comments which comes to about 1/15 but like Dossta, need to trim some comments about sub updates and stuff that fall into social chatter. Not sure about actual proportion to trim cos I do mainly comment with the aim to provide constructive feedback and respond to ppl's enquiries on unclear aspects on my subs.

Or posters who by the very nature of their posting expect more attention than they are giving others?

Quite a few above are taking the interpretation this means demanding people/attention seekers. Since I'm not personally aware of there being any such on the site and if there are, there's now no place for them to exercise demands since the Town Crier had been removed, I'm taking this to mean people who write lengthy subs and/or have a post/comment ratio exceeding 1. My answer is separated into two parts. For post/comment ratio exceeding 1, it depends on the quality of their materials. I won't begrudge them anything but there's also no guarantee that I will always give them attention, I read stuff randomly/give attention to under-commented subs but also pick stuff based on personal reading taste so it's like I'm operating with 2 reading modes at the same time. I've only ventured out of this modus operandi once on RVE. On writers who write lengthy subs, there's the length-averse me with reading on the Citadel. There're plenty of lengthy pieces that stop me from enjoying the work of Strolenati whose styles I admire that I stay away from. It's not like I don't want to give them attention- I distinctly remember that I keep tagging stuff for my fav folder that sit there for ages. It's just Internet reading that I can't stand for stopping me unless I get really determined and copy and paste them over to Word. So far, the only real incentive for me to do so is in swap-read agreements via the RVE again.

Current comment to post ratio is 34/1. I need to step up my posting game one of these days..

Val, I think you are doing a great service to the Citadel with your prolific commenting but I also miss you as a writer, I am torn.... I wish time would work differently for you such that you have 48 hrs to a day c.f with our 24.