Fiorina: Palin Lacks Experience to Run a Company

Updated 3:17 p.m.By Michael D. Shear
Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina amended her comments from earlier today that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin could not run a major corporation like HP.

How? By saying that Sen. John McCain couldn't run one either.

In an interview on NBC with Andrea Mitchell, Fiorina was asked about her comment. In response, she said, "Well, I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation."

Not exactly on message. But she went on to explain that the question is a red herring.

"I don't think Barack Obama could run a major corporation. I don't think Joe Biden could," she said. "But it is not the same as being the president or vice president of the United States. It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company, so of course, to run a business, you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that's not what Sarah Palin, John McCain, Barack Obama or Joe Biden are doing."

Earlier, Fiorina was asked about Palin by a host of the McGraw-Hill Show on St. Louis KTRS Radio: "Do you think she has the experience to run a major company, like Hewlett Packard?"

Fiorina has been a magnet for criticism as a frequent surrogate on the road for McCain. She caused controversy when she said health plans should pay for birth control if they pay for Viagra, a position that is at odds with McCain's.

And her history at Hewlett Packard has become an issue. When she departed, she received a $21 million golden parachute, the very kind of payouts that McCain has condemned in the last several days.

Fiorina's comment was the second gaffe for a McCain staffer today. Earlier, Doug Holtz-Eakin suggested that McCain created the Blackberry, a statement which was later called "boneheaded" by a McCain spokesman.

Carly Fiorina ruined a great company: HP. While she was doing that, the grandson of the founder of Motorola was busy destroying that company. And we see Wall Street. It is rather these morons who are not fit for their jobs.

So, who does have the experience to run the United States? Fiorina does not have the experience to answer that question either.

The premise of this column is entirely dishonest. The idea that McCain created or invented the Blackberry is a huge stretch from what was actually said. But once a single media outlet changed it to "invent the Blackberry" then everyone else began to simply quote that source, never bothering to check the original statement.

As to the Fiorina item, she first said that Palin couldn't do Fiorina's old job, but "That's not what she's running for." And Fiorina said, "I find it quite stunning actually that the Barack Obama campaign is questioning Sarah Palin's experience. She has more executive experience than he does and she is the vice presidential nominee and he is the presidential nominee."

Later, Fiorina said that all four candidates, Palin, McCain, Obama, and Biden couldn't run Hewlett Packard. The Obama campaign very dishonestly quoted only the mention of the two GOPers, not the Democrats, and, amazingly, the press chose to repeat their half truth as if it were correct and complete!

Carly spoke fact instead of spin. Ohmagod. The McCain campaign will have none of that (nor, apparently, will his blogging supporters). So, first, shoot the messenger. Then, bring out the mudslingers...

You're mired in your own slime. Deal with it! Troopergate is the mere tip of a rapidly melting iceberg that threatens to drown your gal pal, Sarah! Hope you all can swim!

What do you get when you cross Barack Obama with a potato? You get a dictator and that makes me want to Obamit. The Washington Post is in the toilet tank for Obama making hay of their bald faced edit of an interview. What do you do with rabid Democrat vermin that won't stay out of your face? You cut their nutts off and shove them down their throats, figuratively speaking of course.

Palin it hurts when people say the truth. That is why you should stop lie's that come out your mouth every time you speak. This is why the campaign keeps the press away from you. Now you want to cover up trooper investigation, this makes you look guilty. Is this why you want to stop it?

BIASED LIBERAL REPORTERS get this story right. She said that none of the candidates Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin could run a fortune 500 company. HER POINT WAS THAT FORTUNE 500'S REQUIRE BUSINESS DECISIONS, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT FROM POLITICAL, GEO-POLITICAL, FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS. FORTUNE 500'S ARE RUN FOR PROFITABILITY, NOT WELFARE.

Fiorina was fired from HP for INCOMPETENCE and watching her talk with Geo Step on Sunday I realized what HP employees meant when they emailed each other at teh announcement of her dismissal: "DING-DONG, the wicked witch is dead." She ran HP pretty close to death, now she is vying to MCCane's right hand man/person?

Good riddance, Carly. This woman can't run a corporation either, as evidenced by her running HP into the ground. So how is she qualified to say who could run a corporation? I was aghast when Fiorina was supposedly on McCain's short list.

To give you an example of Fiorina's intelligence -- when I returned from vacation last month I had a certified letter notice in the mail. The only information about the letter was that it was from the "Office of the Chair." I worried about why I was receiving a certified letter all weekend and stood in line at the post office on Monday morning to sign for the letter. Imagine my anger when the important, certified letter turned out to be only a solicitation for money for the RNC signed by Carly Fiorina. She wasted my time and caused me a weekend of worry, wondering why I was receiving an official-sounding certified letter, only to find out that it was just a money solicitng stunt.

Why is the headline about Sarah Palin, when I saw the show live, she said neither McCain, Obama, Biden nor Palin could run a comapany. Why isn't the headline about Obama. It's always the elephant in the room with him. Every news outlet except Fox played a snipet to make their own point, especially against Republicans. Not one, except Fox included Obama's name. Yet Sarah Palin is the only one, like it or not, with executive experience. Obama takes a teleprompter to a rodeo for gosh sakes. Get real.

Why are people, particularly the journalist type who are presumably well-informed, arguing about a no-brainer like this “news”? When was the last time a major US corporation hired a well-known politician as its CEO? Not in this century! That ought to answer how the vast majority of the board members at major US corporations feel about letting politicians run their companies. Ms. Fiorina is merely expressing their sentiment, and I applaud her honesty.

And here I thought a reporter would look at the whole interview before reporting but then getting the facts straight well that does not matter? When you watch only what is sliced and diced for your consumption you tend to make a fool of yourself. And as to Ms. Fiorina later amending the statement. Had you watched the whole interview there was no later amending done it was all stated in the whole interview.

Spin Spin Spin. And guess what boy's and girl's running a company is different from running a company.

I found this comment by a relation of someone from Alaska...it is good!

A relative that lives in Alaska gives us her feelings toward McCain’s running mate.

We were excited to hear Sarah was McCain’s choice…. She is an awesome candidate…. She has proven herself a strong leader in AK and Alaska girls are pretty tough…. Around here their favorite bumper sticker is that ‘ Alaska Girls Kick Ass’ and they aren’t kidding….

Sarah is known for being ‘common folk’ … she refused her security detail, and picks up her own dry-cleaning. She lives in her own home instead of the Governor’s mansion so her kids can go to their regular schools…. Her husband is an Alaska Native (Indian) her kids are named after Alaska things… ‘Trap’ is the oldest, Bristol (Bristol bay), Willow and baby Paxon are named for places, and Piper for an airplane (AK’s primary transportation) She and her husband Todd still net salmon commercially during the fishing season, and she is an avid hunter, and respects the state’s traditions…

One of the favorite recent stories concerns the birth of her last baby… She was scheduled to speak at a big conference of Governors in the Southwest and shortly before going on stage her water broke, and she went into labor with her 5th child… She still gave the speech which was 20 minutes long and no one knew she was in labor… she was then whisked to a plane and flew back to AK because she said it just wouldn’t do for the Gov. of AK to have her baby out of state!

She is also a strong leader, and managed to push through a LNG pipeline contract that the men had been talking about for 20 years without action and she has only been Governor for 2 years…. She has given the good old boys a run for their money, in a state where politics are pretty rough…. She has cut spending, and believes that the PEOPLE own the resources and not the government… remember AK has no income tax, and we actually get paid to live here…. this year we will get about $3300 apiece to compensate for gas prices and our usual share of government oil revenue… She is smart, practical and Real! She also cleans up well and has a good sense of decorum in addition to speaking well and being comfortable in crowds…. Overall we are thrilled by this choice and optimistic that the McCain/Palin ticket will bring the change that the country needs… Can you tell we approve?

It sure sounds like Fiorina is just really
jealous of AK Gov Sarah Palin and bitter
about Sen John McCain not making her, his
Vice Presidential Nominee instead of our
Winner Sarah Barracuda Palin. Thank God
that President Elect John McCain did pick
Gov Sarah Palin instead! Go Sarah!

I've imagined the transcript of the little double-minded dialog that must have been going on in Fiorina's head at the moment she was asked the question by Andrea Mitchell:

Carly's Ego: "Must be loyal & Republican, even if lying is required ...."
Carly's Id: "Wait! I was CEO of HP, and was dumped by a board that deemed *me* unqualified. Does that make me unqualified to say that Sarah's qualified? Damn, better just say no, but Geez, my head hurts."
Carly's Ego: "Must ... stick ... to ... talking points ...."
Carly's Id: "Damn, a woman asked me this question? That ain't supposed to happen. Andrea, you really expect me to say that Sarah's more qualified for my old CEO job than I was??? Cannot ... not wired for this ...."
Carly's Super-Ego (as referee): "Damn McCain -- didn't somebody tell him that I'm more qualified to be Veep than Sarah? Fine! She's qualified to run HP! Let her have it! I'm the better VP anyway! Why can't you people see it?"

Then after all the damage was done, surely this: "Why couldn't I ever get Cindy's Botox guy? All I needed was to *look* like I was maintaining my composure."

What do you call a 17 year old kid who says f--- this and f--- that and I'll f--in' kick your a--, and gets his girlfriend pregnant? As a Republican, I'd call him a perfect shining example of family values of the kind that our younger generation wants to pursue and we should support.

At this point, there is absolutely no reason to believe a single sentence Obama utters. He has completely sold his soul to the devil. This is okay with the radical left because socialism for them is a political brand, not a wealth-sharing strategy in which they truly believe.

The Hockey Mom attacked Obama on taxes - what's new? That's what this lady from nowhere can utter in her campaign, but according to Carly Fiorina, she is not qualified to be a CEO of HP Inc. Yes, she is free to attack Obama and the liberals, yet when it was her turned to get roasted, she accused the SNL Fey show as "sexist". To this very day, the National Enquirer a tabloid paper exposed her dalliance and affair with the business associate of Todd, yet we don't hear any official denunciations from the couple to clear themselves from gossips and innuendoes. They evaded the investigations of the Alaska State Assembly on Troopergate, the firing of the Commissioner, she evaded the interview of other networks and cable without pre-arranged conditions, why should she be given preferential treament as vice presidential candidate? If she is above and beyond reproach, I fear this woman could become a future despotic ruler, basing from her previous history of feistiness, nepotism and well calculated elimination of associates as well as detractors that crossed her path to glory.

Well, if you consider the performance of HP under Fiorina's watch you have to ask yourself if Carly Fiorina is qualified to run a company. Apparently the HP stockholders and the board didn't think so. She drove HP into the ground.

Most people familiar with the tech sector wouldn't celebrate her orchestration of Lucent's IPO to be a very difficult thing either. A blind deaf dumb retarded midget, wait I got a better one, George W Bush, could have launched a successful IPO of a stock like Lucent in the 90's. Lucent, for the unaware, is the former ATT Bell Labs. They brought such little technology innovations as UNIX, Digital Speech Translation, the first 32-bit microprocessor, most of the early advances of fiber optic networks,TDMA/CDMA, the C++ programming language, Wireless Lans (WLAN) every computer has one, fiber optic routers, 56k modems, and the list goes on for miles. Virtually everybody on planet earth uses at least one of their innovations every day and wouldn't know it. Touting that sale as some major career accomplishment is hardly the real story. It would have happened no matter who's name was on her office door.

What do you call a 17 year old kid who says f--- this and f--- that and I'll f--in' kick your a--, and gets his girlfriend pregnant? I don't know what you call him, but the Republicans and the religious right call him a perfect shining example of family values. Oh, they also call him Bristol Palin's boyfriend. F---in' hypocrites!

At this point, there is absolutely no reason to believe a single sentence McCain utters. He has completely sold his soul to the devil. This is okay with the religious right because Christianity for them is a political brand, not a religion in which they truly believe.

Regarding the "double-dealing" attack (still no issues being discussed as planned all along by the McShame Campaign)...

OBAMA CAMP HITS BACK AT IRAQ DOUBLE-TALK CLAIM

PUEBLO, Colorado (AFP) — Barack Obama's White House campaign angrily denied Monday a report that he had secretly urged the Iraqis to postpone a deal to withdraw US troops until after November's election.

In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri.

...

But Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

In the face of resistance from Bush, the Democrat has long said that any such agreement must be reviewed by the US Congress as it would tie a future administration's hands on Iraq.

"Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations, nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades," Morigi said.

"These outright distortions will not changes the facts -- Senator Obama is the only candidate who will safely and responsibly end the war in Iraq and refocus our attention on the real threat: a resurgent Al-Qaeda and Taliban along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border."

Last Tuesday, Bush announced plans to remove 8,000 US troops from Iraq in the coming months and send 4,500 to Afghanistan by January.

Obama said the president was belatedly coming round to his own way of thinking, but also accused Bush of "tinkering around the edges" and "kicking the can down the road to the next president."

It turns out that Republicans like to nominate war heroes. John McCain is just the current one off the shelf. Truman pointed this out in 1952, but it seems just as relevant today. As Truman was leaving office, America was just entering into the madness of the McCarthy era. Today we've got the terrorist fears to help bring out the fear vote. Anyway, here is part of Truman's speech:
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The underlying differences between the Republican and Democratic Parties boils down to a very simple thing. The Republicans believe that the power of the Government should be used, first of all, to help the rich and privileged people of this country. With them property comes first. The Democrats believe that the powers of the Government should be used to give the common man some protection, and a chance to make a decent living. With the Democrats the people come first.

The Democratic Party is a political organization that has a heart--it cares about the people--it cares about all the people, rich and poor alike. The Republican Party is ruled by a little group of men who have calculating machines where their hearts ought to be.

Sometimes the Republicans aid their clientele by special favors--like the rich man's tax cut bill which was passed by the 80th Congress over my veto--or like their attempts to give away the Nation's resources to all the big oil interests.

Sometimes the Republicans aid their special friends by doing nothing--by a philosophy of each man for himself and the devil take the hindmost. That's why they've fought such measures as minimum wage laws, social security, and the protection of the right of labor unions to organize. All these things and others like them have been opposed by the Republicans.

Every 4 years the Republicans take their outworn, discredited philosophy and dress it up in a new disguise--and try to sell it to the American people. They try to convince the people it's been made over into something different.

This year, they tried to clothe it in the shining armor of a national hero. But before the campaign has ended, each 4 years, the new disguise wears mighty thin. In fact, you can see through it, and you can see that nothing's changed.

Which financial crisis, trade deficit crisis , unemployment crisis, foreclosure crisis, war crisis does McCain or Obama want first? If Palin has the answers, let her step forth with the solutions...I don't thinks so! I saw her interview and it was weak...very weak. So
choose wisely, McCain or Obama, just leave Palin out... and hope both Presidential candidates do their best. God bless America.

SHE WORKS WITH MCCAIN/PALIN SHE KNOWS THEM , THERE ABILITIES TO RUN A CORP SHE DOES NOT WORK WITH OBAMA AND ANY JUDGMENT WOULD BE SPECULATIVE AT BEST. HER ASSESSMENT OF MCCAIN/PALIN IS OBJECTIVE AND NOTEWORTHY. THATS WHY CNN FOCUSED ON THAT AS THEY SHOULD HAVE. IF SHE ONLY SAID THAT ABOUT OBAMA/BIDEN, OR OBAMA CAMP SAID THAT ONLY ABOUT MCCAIN/PALIN IT WOULD NOT BE NEWS. IF OBAMA'S OWN CAMP SAID THOSE THINGS ABOUT HIM IT WOULD BE FRONT PAGE REGARDLESS IF THE MEMBER OF HIS CAMP LABELED BOTH TICKETS AS SUCH.

Obama campaign forgot yet again that they are running against Sen. McCain not Gov. Palin. So much for their new brand of campaign announced on Friday. They are just a confused bunch of paid advisers. Let’s pay them some more so our the most intelligent candidate Sen. Obama has something to say about his opponent “Gov. Palin … aaaa! … who? I meant Sen. McCain” said Obama.

Election '08: Barack Obama premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But now he's been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.

Election: Barack Obama, who premised his campaign on calling for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, has now been quietly telling Iraq "not so fast." It's part of a deceptive pattern.Iraq's Foreign Minister Moshyar Zebari told the New York Post's Amir Taheri that Obama made delaying the troops' return a key theme of his talks with Iraqi leaders during his campaign stop in Baghdad last July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the U.S. elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari told Teheri, on the record.

Funny, that's not what Obama told voters. He has made an immediate pullout the cornerstone of his campaign. Taheri's report signals the Democratic standard-bearer would manipulate the war's end for political advantage and is willing to deceive voters to do it.

This in itself is reprehensible. But his secret calls also leave U.S. troops unnecessarily in harm's way. It's the kind of foreign policy meddling that serves Obama's interests over the national interest.

"Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America," Taheri reported. "To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years."

Can Obama be trusted? We ask because he's shown a pattern of secretive double-dealing with voters, not just in his talking about small town voters one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco, as Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin pointed out, but particularly in foreign affairs.

It dates back to at least February, when Obama's economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, secretly told the Canadian embassy that Obama's demagoguery against NAFTA in the primaries was just a Styrofoam-pillar bid to win the Ohio vote.

Obama's pattern of deception continued. In March, Colombian troops raided a FARC terrorist camp in Ecuador and recovered a terrorist computer belonging to a top FARC warlord, Raul Reyes.

Computer e-mails revealed that someone who knew Obama's positions had secretly met with the terrorists and assured them Obama would cut U.S. military aid under Plan Colombia and veto its free trade pact. Both are major goals of the Marxist terrorists aligned with America's enemies.

Subsequent events confirmed this. Obama did come out in favor of shutting Colombia out of free trade. More disturbingly, Obama adviser Daniel Restrepo last week told Colombia's Radio Caracol that Obama planned to convert the military aid Colombia needs to crush terrorists into social aid programs that don't.

That's not the end of it. Now Obama is double-dealing with Iraqi officials to leave American troops in harm's way and prolong the appearance of war long enough to call it a failure and win votes.

The astonishing thing about Obama's deals is they're the very thing Democrats accused Republicans of without a shred of proof.

They accused Richard Nixon of making a secret deal with the North Vietnamese to prolong the Vietnam war enough to presumably win election in 1968.

Years later, in 1980, they accused Ronald Reagan of making a secret deal with Iranian terrorists holding U.S. diplomats hostage to win election over incumbent Jimmy Carter.

Neither of these claims, often repeated by leftist historians, has ever been proven. But the statement of Iraq's foreign minister, speaking to a leading writer on foreign policy, is considerably stronger as evidence. It signals that Obama places politics over the national interest to the extent that he would work against his own public positions to gull voters into electing him.

It's the absolute opposite of John McCain's courageous position supporting the surge in Iraq, even as politicos were warning him he'd lose the election for it. "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war," McCain said.

With Obama's promises to sit down with dictators in Venezuela, Cuba, Syria and Iran, voters have a right to ask if he's made any deals at odds with his public condemnations of them, too. Before he starts acting like president, he needs to come clean to voters and reveal his true positions. Whatever they are, voters have a right to know.

You surely are bright enough to know that people record these conversations and we all know you didn't make an accurate quote. She didn't change her story, you had to try to adjust to fit your claim.
Thanks

"Mark says,
"all the world is a stage but that is one area that many see McCain as being superior to Obama in."
Only if we want to act out in real life a nuclear war.
"Bomb,bomb,bomb, Iran." is a song that the curmudgeon McCain delights in singing- and with Palin saying we might have to attack Russia if Georgia becomes a member of Nato- I certainly don't want that dimwitted pair on any stage near me.
Neither have the intelligence or temperament to be in the White House."
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Americans will have real bombs in the streets and your kids' school buses if you BAMA Biden in the white house.

"The GOP would be the funniest reality TV show on television if they didn't have access to the nuclear launch codes.

Earlier this season, recall that cast member Mitt Romney slammed John McCain for having never run a company, never run a city. McCain then brought Carly Fiorina out with him to Michigan in part to counter that charge. Well, a few episodes later, Romney got voted off the island.
"

Politics in general would be the funniest reality show on television. Clinton and Biden saying Obama doesn't have the necessary experience to be president with Biden saying the whitehouse is not a place to learn politics. Now he is the VP after saying he wouldn't accept the VP nomination if offered to him. Both Clintons claiming Obama played the race card on them, then crying foul when he plays the race card again against the republicans. Obama's economic advisor saying Obama's tough talk against Nafta was just campaign rhetoric, a claim Obama denied until he issued a statement saying it is just campaign rhetoric... etc. etc. etc.

It sure does sound like Carly Florina is
just extremely jealous and envious and real
bitter that President Elect John McCain
didnot nominate her for his Vice President
instead of Vice President Elect Sarah Palin
so I can see why HP suffered when Fiorina
was CEO as well. Thank God that McCain did
pick Palin instead. So maybe Obama might
like to replace old drunk big mouth Joe
Biden with her and really self destruct what little is left of his own Imploding
Socialist Democrat Liberal Loser Campaign.

Independent Women Voters Thank God For
Vice President Elect Sarah Palin and the
Next President of the US John McCain.

The GOP would be the funniest reality TV show on television if they didn't have access to the nuclear launch codes.

Earlier this season, recall that cast member Mitt Romney slammed John McCain for having never run a company, never run a city. McCain then brought Carly Fiorina out with him to Michigan in part to counter that charge. Well, a few episodes later, Romney got voted off the island.

And we might have forgotten about that if Rudy Giuliani hadn't returned for the reunion episode in St. Paul two weeks ago, and reminded us all that Barack Obama has never run a city, never run a company, etc.

But Carly Fiorina now says that running a company isn't the same as running the country. And none of the candidates have that experience anyway, so it isn't relevant.

Well, GOP, is that a relevant criteria or isn't it? Were Romney and Giuliani right to use that as the basis of an attack on opponents as recently as two weeks ago, or is Carly Fiorina right now when she says it isn't a relevant criteria?

(And remember, if you side with Romney and Giuliani, Carly will call you a sexist!)

This is why Obama thinks there are 57 states in our union:
The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America. The official languages of the organization are Arabic, English and French. You can put a Muslim in the White House, if you're that dumb.
From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
Not to mention his admitted Muslim faith comment on national TV...

"Ok and so you say Gov. Palin is not experienced enough to be the VP, then please explain why you think that Mr. Obama is experienced enough to be PRESIDENT?"

Glad you asked, Joe.

Here is some information comparing the two.

1980 - 1984
Senator Obama: B.A. in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University.

Mrs.Palin: Wasilla High School, captain of the state-champion basketball team. Miss Wasilla, runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant, also Miss Congeniality, although that is now disputed.

1985 - 1990
Senator Obama: moved to Chicago, turned down six figure job on wall street to become a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 47 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.

Moved to Boston to attend Harvard Law School. Selected as an editor and then elected president of the Harvard Law Review, a full-time position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors. This path usually leads to a high paying job with a corporate law firm or a clerkship in the Supreme Court of the United States.

Mrs.Palin: Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, with a minor in political science from the University of Idaho- after transferring five times to other lesser known institutions. Brief stint as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations; left to join her husband in commercial fishing.

1991 - 1995
Senator Obama: graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School; received contract and advance to write a book ("Dreams from my Father") as well as a fellowship at the University of Chicago Law School. Directed the Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be. Appointed as a Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Active in several community organizations, usually as a board member.

Mrs.Palin: member of the Alasaka Indepence Party which advocates "Alaska First". Elected to Wasilla city council.

Senator Obama: Expert on our nation's fundamental legal principles.

Mrs. Palin: plotted to leave the Union; thinks Pledge of Allegiance was written by our founding fathers.

1996 - 2000
Senator Obama: promoted to Senior Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. Elected to the Illinois Senate. Sponsored more than 800 bills. In 2000, lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.

Mrs.Palin: elected as mayor of Wasilla (population 5,470), defeating the incumbent by a total of 616 votes to 413. Town budget, $8 million (3 millionths of the Federal budget), approximately 50 employees. Reduced property taxes but increased sales taxes. Fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. ) Fired the museum curator and tried to fire the librarian. Hired a DC lobbyist to bring $27 million in earmarks to the city.

2001 - 2004
Obama: reelected in 2002 and became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee.

Publicly spoke out against the invasion of Iraq BEFORE the congressional authorization in 2002, and then again before the actual invasion in 2003.

Wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

November 2004: elected to the US Senate, receiving over 3.5 million votes, more than 70% of total.

Mrs,Palin: . Unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second in a five-way race in the Republican primary, receiving 19,000 votes.

Senator Obama:

demonstrated the wisdom to oppose the Iraq folly before it even began.

Mrs Palin:

hasn't really though much about it - despite the fact that 17 Alaskans have died there

2005 to present

Senator Obama: Sworn in as the fifth-ever African-American U.S. senator. Worked with Republican Senator Lugar to author and implement a program to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMD's. Designated by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as the party's point man on ethics. Worked with Russ Feingold to pass a major ethics/lobbying reform bill. Cosponsored, with John McCain, the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3 percent every year for 15 years). Assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Veterans' Affairs, and Homeland Security. Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. Waged a tremendous battle to become the Democratic presidential nominee. Currently manages 2,500 campaign employees and a budget of $40-$50 million/month.

Became youngest and first female Governor of Alaska, taking office in December, 2006. Sold the Governor's jet to a campaign contributor at a loss. Promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska. Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits. Formed a sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change but does not accept that it is man-made. Objected to listing polar bears as an endangered species because it might hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat. Was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. However, Alaska kept the federal money. Denied her daughter was pregnant before she confirmed it. Supported abstinence-only education.Currently under a bipartisan investigation for abuse of power for dismissing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner. Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, but has played no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. (The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.)

Obtained her first passport in 2007 to perform visits to the Alaska National Guard in Kuwait and Germany. (Foreign experience so limited that a stopover in Ireland listed on her resume.)

Senator Obama: Impressive figure on the national stage who knows how Congress works and is engaged with foreign policy issues. Her: small state governor, population less than the city of San Jose, California, for 21 months; "next to Russia"

Conclusion: the words "executive experience" is not some kind of magic force multiplier when placed in front of the words " leadership experience".

Remember the High School achievement tests? Which would be the best headline for this story? (A) Fiorina: Palin Lacks Experience to Run a Company (B) Running Company Different from Government, Says Fiorina (C) Fiorina: Palin Couldn't Run HP and Neither Could I (D) Alaska: Gateway to the Aleutians.
Anyone? Michael D?

Interesting! I'm sure McCain and Palin are incapable of running a major corporation. After all Vice President Dick Cheney, former CEO of Haliburton, has proven along with Pres. Bush, who has an MBA(?), that they know how to run the United States' economy into the ground. Truly amazing.

OBAMA-BIDEN '08 hopefully will return fiscal responsibility to the country.

It would appear the deep issue we have with Palin is that she does not consider herself beholden to the laws of this land not "our" judicial system.

Since when can any American simply say, "I am not subject to the laws of the US, nor am I compelled to respond to investigations or subpoenas."?

This is ridiculous. The US Justice System issues a subpoena, by god you are subject to it. If you have nothing to hide, then why block the investigation, refuse to cooperate, ignore official subpoenas, and then file lawsuits against the United States of America!! AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!!!

This country really sucks. If you or I did this we would be in jail. Heck, if Obama did this he would be in jail.

It would appear the deep issue we have with Palin is that she does not consider herself beholden to the laws of this land not "our" judicial system.

Since when can any American simply say, "I am not subject to the laws of the US, nor am I compelled to respond to investigations or subpoenas."?

This is ridiculous. The US Justice System issues a subpoena, by god you are subject to it. If you have nothing to hide, then why block the investigation, refuse to cooperate, ignore official subpoenas, and then file lawsuits against the United States of America!! AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!!!

This country really sucks. If you or I did this we would be in jail. Heck, if Obama did this he would be in jail.

Your comparison of Obama to Palin is rife with mis-statements and falsehood. That is typical of today's Democratic voter--relying solely on lies to bolster your position. The truth is Obama does have a more impressive resume', but Palin has a far superior record. Obama is an empty suit--lots of talent, no accomplishment. Palin is a worker--a thinner list of 'elite' qualifications, but actual accomplishment. She's done something--he's never done anything except run for the next office. God help us if he actually gets a job where he has to do something--we're in trouble then.

1) Knows That God ordered the war in iraq
2) Sees Russia from her house everyday, so knows Putin's household
3) Asks for earmarks everywhere, but says things like - " Thanks, but No thanks" and takes the money anyway
4) Bans books in libraries
5) Personal vendetta on officials
6) Lies without any shame

McCain's wisdom so far-

1) Has no idea what he stands for, what he stood for or for that matter, what he had for breakfast
2) He will set up a committee to "fix" wall street
3) Doesn't email, but has a Blackberry and mistakenly believed that he might have invented it.
4) He is the bum that wants to throw out all the bums.
5) Lies without shame.

"Ok and so you say Gov. Palin is not experienced enough to be the VP, then please explain why you think that Mr. Obama is experienced enough to be PRESIDENT?"

Glad you asked, Joe.

Here is some information comparing the two.

1980 - 1984
Senator Obama: B.A. in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University.

Mrs.Palin: Wasilla High School, captain of the state-champion basketball team. Miss Wasilla, runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant, also Miss Congeniality, although that is now disputed.

1985 - 1990
Senator Obama: moved to Chicago, turned down six figure job on wall street to become a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 47 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.

Moved to Boston to attend Harvard Law School. Selected as an editor and then elected president of the Harvard Law Review, a full-time position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors. This path usually leads to a high paying job with a corporate law firm or a clerkship in the Supreme Court of the United States.

Mrs.Palin: Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, with a minor in political science from the University of Idaho- after transferring five times to other lesser known institutions. Brief stint as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations; left to join her husband in commercial fishing.

1991 - 1995
Senator Obama: graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School; received contract and advance to write a book ("Dreams from my Father") as well as a fellowship at the University of Chicago Law School. Directed the Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be. Appointed as a Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Active in several community organizations, usually as a board member.

Mrs.Palin: member of the Alasaka Indepence Party which advocates "Alaska First". Elected to Wasilla city council.

Senator Obama: Expert on our nation's fundamental legal principles.

Mrs. Palin: plotted to leave the Union; thinks Pledge of Allegiance was written by our founding fathers.

1996 - 2000
Senator Obama: promoted to Senior Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. Elected to the Illinois Senate. Sponsored more than 800 bills. In 2000, lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.

Mrs.Palin: elected as mayor of Wasilla (population 5,470), defeating the incumbent by a total of 616 votes to 413. Town budget, $8 million (3 millionths of the Federal budget), approximately 50 employees. Reduced property taxes but increased sales taxes. Fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. ) Fired the museum curator and tried to fire the librarian. Hired a DC lobbyist to bring $27 million in earmarks to the city.

2001 - 2004
Obama: reelected in 2002 and became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee.

Publicly spoke out against the invasion of Iraq BEFORE the congressional authorization in 2002, and then again before the actual invasion in 2003.

Wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

November 2004: elected to the US Senate, receiving over 3.5 million votes, more than 70% of total.

Mrs,Palin: . Unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second in a five-way race in the Republican primary, receiving 19,000 votes.

Senator Obama:

demonstrated the wisdom to oppose the Iraq folly before it even began.

Mrs Palin:

hasn't really though much about it - despite the fact that 17 Alaskans have died there

2005 to present

Senator Obama: Sworn in as the fifth-ever African-American U.S. senator. Worked with Republican Senator Lugar to author and implement a program to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMD's. Designated by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as the party's point man on ethics. Worked with Russ Feingold to pass a major ethics/lobbying reform bill. Cosponsored, with John McCain, the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3 percent every year for 15 years). Assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Veterans' Affairs, and Homeland Security. Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. Waged a tremendous battle to become the Democratic presidential nominee. Currently manages 2,500 campaign employees and a budget of $40-$50 million/month.

Became youngest and first female Governor of Alaska, taking office in December, 2006. Sold the Governor's jet to a campaign contributor at a loss. Promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska. Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits. Formed a sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change but does not accept that it is man-made. Objected to listing polar bears as an endangered species because it might hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat. Was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. However, Alaska kept the federal money. Denied her daughter was pregnant before she confirmed it. Supported abstinence-only education.Currently under a bipartisan investigation for abuse of power for dismissing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner. Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, but has played no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. (The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.)

Obtained her first passport in 2007 to perform visits to the Alaska National Guard in Kuwait and Germany. (Foreign experience so limited that a stopover in Ireland listed on her resume.)

Senator Obama: Impressive figure on the national stage who knows how Congress works and is engaged with foreign policy issues. Her: small state governor, population less than the city of San Jose, California, for 21 months; "next to Russia"

Conclusion: the words "executive experience" is not some kind of magic force multiplier when placed in front of the words " leadership experience".

Shear's characterization of Fiorina's comments as a "gaffe" betray his bias. Her point wasn't that Palin and McCain aren't qualified (which is all Shear wants readers to see), but that NONE of the candidates is qualified. A pathetic excuse for journalism. Exactly what we've come to expect of reporters like Michael Shear.

Wait a sec, weren't you Repubs making fun of Obama for being "the one" a few months ago?

Posted by: tub | September 16, 2008 4:39 PM

DON'T YOU DUMMY DEMS UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT POLITICS. FLIPFLOPS ARE THE NAME OF THE GAME IF YOU WANT TO BECOME PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE.... BUT NOT NECESSARILY ON THE SAME DAY

Everyone is missing the main point here which is jobs and growth of the middle class. I spent a lot of time reading Obama's energy plan and that is why I am voting for him. I could care less to be honest about most everything else and I will tell you why ... it is because if we have a strong middle-class everything else falls into place.

Under McCain it's more oil, natural gas and nuclear reactors. This leaves the top 1% in control of our energy and they reap all the profits. They outsource anything they can to lower costs to increase profits.

Under Obama, we energize alternative energy with incredible focus which immediately creates hundreds of thousands of jobs over the next ten years. Local jobs that my friends and even my kids can get here at home that pay well because all the money now going to the middle east now comes to us. I don't want my kids to have to compete for jobs on oil rigs or in nuclear reactors.

Let's be serious here. This is not about if you like Palin or not people. This is about creating wealth for the US. Creating jobs. Bringing money home and putting the power of energy in our hands.

Everyone is missing the main point here which is jobs and growth of the middle class. I spent a lot of time reading Obama's energy plan and that is why I am voting for him. I could care less to be honest about most everything else and I will tell you why ... it is because if we have a strong middle-class everything else falls into place.

Under McCain it's more oil, natural gas and nuclear reactors. This leaves the top 1% in control of our energy and they reap all the profits. They outsource anything they can to lower costs to increase profits.

Under Obama, we energize alternative energy with incredible focus which immediately creates hundreds of thousands of jobs over the next ten years. Local jobs that my friends and even my kids can get here at home that pay well because all the money now going to the middle east now comes to us. I don't want my kids to have to compete for jobs on oil rigs or in nuclear reactors.

Let's be serious here. This is not about if you like Palin or not people. This is about creating wealth for the US. Creating jobs. Bringing money home and putting the power of energy in our hands.

As a woman, what I'm most enthused about is that if McCain dies in office after 2 years, Sarah Palin can still run for president twice as she was not elected to the office. We could get 10 years of Palin!

Mark says,
"all the world is a stage but that is one area that many see McCain as being superior to Obama in."

Only if we want to act out in real life a nuclear war.

"Bomb,bomb,bomb, Iran." is a song that the curmudgeon McCain delights in singing- and with Palin saying we might have to attack Russia if Georgia becomes a member of Nato- I certainly don't want that dimwitted pair on any stage near me.

Neither have the intelligence or temperament to be in the White House.

With Cheney leading Bush around by the hand with all of this, you never know. But just the fact that she would make a statement like that (especially if the VP has no power over these things) shows her mindset to our foreign policies.

As someone who comes from another culture, it was initially shocking to answer things like "what business are you in, mister?".
First of all, it's none of your business to ask a person such a question. Secondly, if you're a teacher, musician, or a
public official - the question sounds quite obscene.

Joe says, "Governor Palin is more experienced and qualified to run this country than Barack Obama."

Joe, exactly what have you been smoking? That is a line straight out of the lying mouths of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh

Sarah Palin has no education other than sports journalism, has no knowledge of national and international policy, does not know what a Vice President does, has no clue about what "entitlements" are, and knows nothing about Constitutional Law.

After winning the election for Mayor of Wasilla, population 5000, which is fewer people than went to my High School, she had to hire a city manager because she was clueless on how to make out a budget, or how to deal with the day to day problems.

Her big accomplishment was to allow the bars to stay open until 5 AM. Her opponent had wanted them closed at 2 AM. She also fired the poor Museum curator.

As Governor she spent 316 nights at home, 600 miles from the State capitol Juneau- and charged the taxpayers travel per diem. $17,000 for meals consumed at home, and $43,000 for travel expenses.

She is a joke. "Experience" yes- all of it inappropriate for being Vice President or President of the United States of America.

"No offense to the out-of-country people but this is an American Presidential election."

Actually, I think their thoughts on all of this are entirely credible. Our position on the world stage is just as important as our national standings. We rely on many other countries for imports/exports, and with the threats of war from Palin, we are potentially going to become a liability to those countries. So they have every right to say who they think would better represent our country just as much as we do, as it affects them just as much.

Michael D. Shear: Misplaced title emphasis indicates you've taken the low road. Your problem appears to be that you've adopted official Obama campaign propaganda. Hope it comes back to bite you - I believe there is a chance of it this time around.

Palin can gut a Moose but I haven't heard of anything else she can do. As for Bush's choice for President .... "McCain", what can he do ? Absolutely nothing. He's a has-been that never was. Is it true that O'Reily from Fox News finally came out of the closet today ?

No offense to the out-of-country people but this is an American Presidential election.

Just because B.O. went on world tour and offered free beers and brats and concerts to the masses at the partial expense of American tax payers does not make him fit to be the President. In fact it's a discredit.

Repeat after me, " Buuussssshhhhhhh wwwwaaaassssss aaaaaa failllllure.
Good God, if you still can't wake up and smell the coffee then this country is really full of idiots. McCain and Palin will make the same mistakes as Bush. Aren't there anymore smart people in America, or have they just fallen off the face of the earth? No matter how obvious the lies that come out of the McCain/Palin camp, people are still blind and deaf to what they really are saying. Obama will win, so you might as well save us all the heartache and vote for Obama.

"If this election has shown me one thing, it is how bias the media really is towards the Dems and Obama in particular. I always laughed at the right wing antics of FOX but some of these papers are make it look totally unbiased!"

You just have to remember, the Media is less interested in citing the "truth" more often than not. But, for their fault, they are trying to keep people reading. Now let me ask you this. Which is a more enticing headline?

"Obama reveals his economic plan for the country"
or
"McCain Advisor states that McCain invented the Blackberry!"

This nation is being led astray by the media, and they expect it all to be absolute fact. Whether it is fact or fiction, it's a good read. And that's the point.

"It does not matter who wins the Presidency, this country is screwed and will continue to be screwed as long as the big corporations have their way. Futures Traders, Mortgage companies, the broken patent system, the RIAA, the MPAA, The Pharmaceutical companies."

WOW, a sensible nonpartisan comment. Those are pretty rare on this board - sensible comments, that is!

This is funny because she said the exact same thing about Biden and Obama, she also accused Obama of having the least executive experience of them all. Funny how the media takes her "gaffe" and batters McCain with it.

"Okay, so none of them could run a company. That's fair enough.. Not sure why the article is called, "Palin Lacks Experience to Run a Company""

If this election has shown me one thing, it is how bias the media really is towards the Dems and Obama in particular. I always laughed at the right wing antics of FOX but some of these papers are make it look totally unbiased!

This election has also shown how blogs are being mistaken for real journalism, how op-ed pieces are being taken for real journalism.

There was even an article that inserted an "objective view" sentence into it yesterday that really was not objective at all - missed the entire point of the statement.

I am seriously dissappointed in the media this election for their bias, their low standard blogs, their lack of anything more in-depth than sound bites.

One of the worst offenders was a "journalist" for this paper who'd entire blog "article" was one quote from the convention and then one sentence. Whew! I could hardly comprehend all the insight and facts...

One Important Reason To Vote Obama: So he can raise taxes, the economy will fail like it did during the Great Depression. Can't wait to see all the rich libs on wallstreet to start jumping off the tops of skyscrapers on prime time tv.

Posted by: Frankie J

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It is clear that the economic downturn is a Republican creation - as they usually are. Greed makes for poor management.

If Obama inherits this mess, he will need the vision of FDR (another Democrat in a similar situation) to end it. Listening to him, it seems clear that he has that vision more than anyone on the other side - no matter how they try to distance themselves from the Republicans (and obscure their own records).

So Fiorina says that NONE of the candidates in either party has the experience necessary to run a major company and the detestable Washington Compost takes this comes up with a headline stating simply that Palin lacks experience.

You people at the Compost would make the editors of Pravda blush. Why do you even pretend to be impartial anymore?

At this point I hope that McCain/Palin wins in November if for no other reason than to piss you all off and send you (the media) into even further hysterics. Maybe a McCain victory will finally cause you all to become completely and totally unhinged, as you are all well on your way there already. Perhaps then practitioners of your brand of over the top bias and propaganda will be flushed down the drain and the American media can start regaining credibility as purveyors of truth once again.

"Phil, from what you've said I think that means we should be praying that McCain lives and praying that Obama doesn't, depending on actually wins the election." Goober

No Goober, we should be praying that Senators Obama and Biden win the election. They are both intelligent, and believe in finding peaceful solutions for complex world problems.

John McWar only knows one way- and that is to bomb people who don't agree with him. He was pitching for an invasion of Baghdad long before Bush/Cheney were. He has big oil written all over him. Just look at the lobbyists who make up his campaign staff.

We should be praying that Americans wake up and vote their interests instead of their fears, ignorance, and prejudice.

McCain was a D student in every school he ever attended. I am worried that the wrong people will be whispering in his ear if he somehow becomes President.

Quit being duped man. The whole reason that she said specifically the "Obama Campaign" was so that things would get turned around towards Obama himself. It's the news media that is running with this, not Obama. Quit blaming Obama for every damn news report. All you're doing is sounding like a child who doesn't get his way.

"It does not matter who wins the Presidency, this country is screwed and will continue to be screwed as long as the big corporations have their way. Futures Traders, Mortgage companies, the broken patent system, the RIAA, the MPAA, The Pharmaceutical companies."

True, but that doesn't mean that one of them can't at least hit the first strike of the nail once elected. We as a people don't have the ability to stand up as we once did. Thanks to the Government as a whole, our rights have almost completely been revoked. Peaceful protest? News coverage that skews the crap out of it, and you end up in jail. Create a petition? Struck down before it gets off the ground. Hell, thanks to the current law system as a whole, we can't even sue a company who is obviously breaking countless laws because they can afford the better lawyers. Face it, we need someone on the inside who can get the ball rolling.

all you pushers of the culture war just got bumped off the bench--
it's the economy that really matters and McCain is on the wrong team! His recent economic adviser PHIL GRAMM drafted the bill that opened the door to the mortgage crisis.

It does not matter who wins the Presidency, this country is screwed and will continue to be screwed as long as the big corporations have their way. Futures Traders, Mortgage companies, the broken patent system, the RIAA, the MPAA, The Pharmaceutical companies. These things among others have killed the technology powerhouse that the United States once was. There is no innovation in this country anymore because everyone is afraid they will get sued by someone. So what we are going to see weather McCain or Obama are president is which one is going to finish the job of driving this country in the ground faster. We The People need to force these changes. Most people will believe whatever the news tells them, it does not matter if its the radical liberals watching left wing news or the or the super conservatives watching the right wing news channels, the news is always twisted. People need to take the blinders off and see this mess for what it actually is, a mess, a very big mess.

The Sarah Palin phenomenon is no different thatn the Barack Obama phenomenon except she has a thin resume and is running for vice president and he has a thinner resume running for president. Palin according to the Left is a woman of whom nothing is known yet Obama is a man of whom no one wants to know anything about him. This is obvious by the kid gloves that have handled him since he came onto the scene. The guy is an empty suit who was the editor of a glorified newsletter. The media would have you believe he is more qualified than Palin. The democrats will be crushed in November

"Obama is an empty suit candidate created by the DNC and the MSM, who can't live up to all the hype. It's becoming more and more evident every day."

Actually, I do not need to cite any sources for you, because you are obviously biased to the whole ordeal in the first place. No matter what credible evidence I give to you, you will just shrug it off and call it more "Democratic Conspiracies". So I won't waste my time.

It is incredible that this failed and fired CEO is given any credibility: after running HP into the ground and then getting caught wiretapping people who she suspected were leaking information about her and her "style" of management.

The epitome of a Republican success story: ruin a company, get a big fat reward ($21,000,000) when you leave for being a terrible person, wrecking profits at the business with vindictive and misguided firings, and being a horrible administrator. Only in America

I thought this was/is one of the problems on wall street today...over-paid, under-worked and under-acheiving CEO's rewarded whether they do a good job or not.

In this light the moose lady might make a better CEO than Carly did. Palin would just stay at home most of the time as she did while Governor. (316 days in one year,) while on full travel per diem.

Wow, this is big if one thinks about it. Just a month ago, Carly was the GOP economist poster child advising John Mccain & his campaign- obviously she got to know him pretty well- I, for one, really appreciate her honesty in stating what many of us suspected- while we don't know how capable Senator Obama would be of running a major company, it seems that by his other success, likely very well- but it sure is nice to get an expert opinion on the two republican candidates who have the appearance of trying to bluff their way through this whole thing-

Given a chance, I don't think, neither of the presidential candidates can run a 7Eleven shop! How can we expect the Palin to run HP like companies. It is utter non sense that Fiorina like person doing this. Please STOP!

Yeah, Fiorina needs some boobies, if she was selected to claim as the first woman veepy. Fiorina claims to have worked at HP in silicon valley, but she does not have any silicon or valley on her chest. It is as flat as a tennis court.

"Obama is running for president with NO RECORD to prove he is capable of anything, especially running this country."

John...I guess you GOP worshippers don't pay much attention do you? Obama has a proven record that has been waived in front of your faces for quite a while now. If you would pull the Republican blanket off of your head you could see it.

Interesting that Fiorina should bring that up considering that she was a failure at HP and was kicked out for underperforming. The stock hit rock-bottom during her tenure. The merger with Compaq was a fiasco. She is remembered at HP for shipping thousands of US jobs overseas. I believe people danced in the halls the day she left.

Of course America's not a company, it's a corporation (or at least run by them), sort of like the one that Carly ran into the ground before she was impeached. Sorry, I meant fired.
Read the paper much, ms Fiorina? HP's all over the place today.
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Dear Rural Americans (the one posting under that name, not the myriad folks out there who can and do think for themselves,)

You say "Never in our lives have we witnessed the filthy language and hateful diatribes like we see coming from those who call themselves democrats."

And McCain calls his own wife a c*nt in public... Now THAT's straight talk... Really tells you a lot about the man... Problems with women... Problems with controlling his anger... But let's not ask the question whether someone who's been tortured is a good person to have their finger on a very big trigger...

Guess Palin's just another one on those c*nts to him, but her capital is political, not monetary (like Miss $300,000 outfit for his acceptance speech Cindy)...

My dear poor mama from Mississippi is sick of Bush and all the damage from his reign, and she's certainly no librull... You are right... Rural Americans can think for themselves, so you should choose another name to post under because you should not presume to speak for anyone but yourself...

You really think Palin is "a decent person" and "she knows what it's like in the real American world"?

Well, I doubt you know her personally or professionally to make such a judgement and, btw, the world is not American... It's, uh, well, not... I know it hurts to realize that little fact, but maybe you should get a grip on that little tidbit of knowledge as we are eclipsed by China and others who are preying on us now that we're in this incredibly weakened state since the hawkish neo-cons and carnivorous big biz types have had their way and stocked their Swiss bank accounts at everyone's expense, including true rural Americans...

No...? You're just gonna keep letting rich-and-getting-richer folks tell you who your enemies are so you'll keep voting out of fear...?

More propaganda from the left. It is designed to manipulate non-thinking people - Obama is running for president with NO RECORD to prove he is capable of anything, especially running this country. Like a drunk homeless man boasting to someone on the street "how to make a million dollars" (it is all hype and no substance) - and you want to pick on Governor Palin?

"Do you think she has the experience to run a major company, like Hewlett Packard?"

So Shear conveniently leaves out the adjective "MAJOR" and the qualifier "HP". And hey, look, suddenly he's got a story!

Except he had to lie to get it. But, what the hell is a lie or two, when you're working for the Post. It's not like no one else is doing it.

The ONLY story here is the appalling stupidity of Michael Shear & all the
mindless little Obamaton worshippers that form his cheerleading squad.
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See here we go again. Blaming everyone OTHER THAN THE IDIOT THAT SAID IT!
Dude it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You opened your mouth, all doubt has been removed.

I notice that you call dems obamanites or something to that affect. This is an acknowledgment of you understanding that we STAND FOR SOMEONE! I don't ever hear your repugs defending your man!!! LOLO all you do is attack obama. WHAT YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT YOUR LAME AZZ PICK? Stand up for him dude!!! he's your pick man! This bozo according to his staff, can't run a company, thinks the economy is strong and his running mate sold a plane on EBAY!! Way to go LOSER!

For those who like to compare class rank in this election you should do your homework.

The U.S. Naval Academy does not only rank their classes on academic GPA they also base class rank on performance GPA. This performance is scored based on how you do at military type duties - ie. parade drill, and other such activities.

Not to mention that you simply shouldn't rank people based on their academic accomplishments alone. I'm not saying you can't look at them, but lets not forget that some of the most influential people of our time never earned a bachelor's degree.

If any of you think for one minute that McCain is going to consult with and have anything to do with Palin if he is elected then you are laughable. His pick of her was a total pander, a desperate attempt to get elected (and yet it may work). But this a gut that has no respect for or need for woman except in as objects to use for his desires (in this case the presidency)...McCain is a guy who called his wife the "c" word...who offered his wife up for a topless beauty contest...who has chosen two beauty pageant wives and one beauty pageant vp, who left his first wife and kids when she was crippled. Sorry but he may be a war hero but he is a total sexist and a total mess!!

Everything in that article is sourced. Like it or not, a published book is a credible source for information. Have you not ever written a research paper in college? Did you ever cite a book? Face it, you don't believe it because you don't want to believe it.

The article cites "The Nightingale's Song" by Robert Timberg as the source of the claim that McCain's troubles contributed to his low standing at the Naval Academy.

As for the IQ tests, you don't trust Alexander's account? Why don't you check the book out of the library and hunt down his sources? Come back after you have and apologize.

The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.

The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed. “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”

“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.

“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

“Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER. “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”

The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”

Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

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Sarah Palin is a media phenomenon and Obama isn't?! Obama... community organizer and Senator of two years. A lawyer (suddenly, being a lawyer is a good thing?). No real decision making experience, if any.

And I'm not even getting into the flips and flops of Obama (not even his campaign, just talking about what he himself says). Youtube has plenty of videos with directly contradictory statements, or statements of his and when asked about them, said he didn't say it... and then proceeds to answer the question that *he* wants to answer, not the question he was asked.

What do you expect, though, from a lawyer?

And by the way, as far as being in touch with the common people, or whatever you'd like to call us... what would someone who lives in Hyde Park know about that?

Most of the comments here are filled with emotion and bitterness about both sides. People I want only to say that I consider myself an intelligent, calculated, and determined person that will proudly VOTE for Senator Obama for President. Without insulting McCain/Palin, (surely they mean well), there is no comparison. I'd much rather have a Harvard educated, faithful family man, Constitutional Law Professor upholding my Constitution, than a Barely Out Academy Grad (plus his Journalism Undergrad).

Having failed in industry because she didn't know her job, now Carly weighs in on Palin's qualifications for VP, a job that Carly knows even less about. Palin can't run a simple, well-organized company. But she can run a country? BTW, what did you say Palin's grade point average (GPA) was in any one of the many colleges she attended to get one easy degree?

I hope Obama's campaign doesn't use Fiorina's statement. I'm an Obama supporter (well, at least a McCain/Palin opposer), and I think it is sad to see people take a position on topics based on who they support rather than using their own brains. The failed former CEO correctly stated that there is no correlation between the VEEP position and the CEO position. She said that fact is true of McCain, Palin, Obama, and Biden. The story headline, though, is misleading, giving the impression that Fiorina thinks Palin is incompetent. Granted, Fiorina is a poor choice for any campaign's representative, but the false perception presented isn't what she said or implied. If we (Democrats) want stupid, non sequitor attacks, then we shouldn't perpetuate them ourselves. Come on, there are actual IMPORTANT issues on which we should be focused and about which we should be making our case. This stuff is a waste of our time, and it gets in the way of the real message.

I'm suspicious of this article, not for what Fiorina said but for the display of lazy journalism evident in the article. Case in point: The radio show mentioned as being broadcast on St. Louis' KTRS-AM is The McGraw Milhaven Show and NOT The McGraw-Hill Show. I know, because I live in St. Louis. McGraw-Hill is a publishing firm. McGraw Milhaven is a radio personality. Please, please fact check your articles. Thank you!

To cuppettcj | September 16, 2008 3:43 PM..."McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) despite a strong intelligence."

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That sounds like a value judgment to me and should be either taken off Wikipedia, or noted as opinion. There is no sure way to tell way McCain was the 5th worst in his class. but the fact is he WAS the 5th worst in his class. I think judgment on that fact alone is pretty unanimous - 5th worst is not very impressive.

Queen Carly as we referred to her, here in HP Houston (Compaq), wasn't able to run a company either. The "HP culture" had never been a culture of doing anything, just talking about it. What a rude awakening to find that share holders actually wanted actions, not words and images. Funny that her successor managed to turn it around in 18 months. Queen Carly claims that it was her success, Bull. Hurd just didn't like a lot of talk and expected action. That was the difference. I think that having Queen Carly involved in the McCain's campaign is a major strike against him.

As for the comment that Compaq wasn't doing anything different than HP before the acquisition, true, but we (Compaq) could actually do it right and fast.

Being unqualified has not stopped the current administration from ruling the world. Why should a little thing like that get in Palin's way? My more cynical friend says you can put Alfred E. Neumann in the White House and it doesn't make any difference. I would really really like it to make a difference. Go Obama!!

Oh that dummy McCain...graduating 894th out a class of 899th and picking Palin as VP.

Anybody NOT curious as to where is MITT ROMNEY? Prior to Sarah Palin being picked Mitt Romney was all over the media shows from FOX'S MORNING JOE to CNN'S THE SITUATION ROOM saying why he backed McCain and opposed Obama. Now we haven't heard a peep out of the likely #2 on McCain's ticket.

Palin may not be qualified to lead a company, but she apparently is well suited to act as a secret Russian agent whose ultimate objective is to take over the presidency, invite in a Russian invasion, starting with Alaska, leading ultimately to a dictatorship.

FACT: Both she and her husband were members of AIM, a group that wants Alaska to be a separate country and which has connections to Russia.

Further, I truly believe her most recent child was actually fathered by Putin.

More evidence that Palin is a secret Russian agent: Palin. Putin. What letters differ in their last names? A-L-U-T. Alut. The word Aleut -- referring to an Alaskan native -- was coined by Russian explorers in Alaska; it is derived from Alut, the name of a coastal village in Kamchatka, Russia.

Fiorina is one tough lady. She would have gotten at least a cabinet position in McCains cabinet. She just shot that chance down with derogatory comments about Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin is a pitbull who got the police chief fired. Do you think she is not going to remember Fiorina's comment that Sarah can't run a company?

How can you claim that this information is true without sources to back it up though? As I said before, anyone can edit wikipedia. And the fact that it is written in a book that sounds like a biography for McCain makes it a little less credible without the documentation to back it up. If you were to provide me with actual paperwork providing his testing dates and scores, then I would be inclined to believe you. But as such, people's Biographies, no matter who they were written by, will always be subject to exaggeration. This is why I do not like Wikipedia. They make these claims as fact with nothing to actually back them up.

Wikipedia can be trusted if the sources it cites are valid. It's like any research paper you submit at any University. In this case, Wikipedia makes the claim of McCain's high intelligence based on the book "Man of the People" by Paul Alexander ( http://www.amazon.com/Man-People-Maverick-Career-McCain/dp/0470390700 ). On page 207, Alexander writes that McCain took an IQ test twice and scored 128 and 133 respectively.

Did this blogger just try to equate going to the University of Delaware and going to the Naval Academy?

Have you ever met anyone who graduated from the Naval Academy or seen their curriculum... other than that movie they made a couple of years ago?
Yeah. I would really suggest they curve that calling people an idiot stuff, cause their comments aren't leaving them too far behind.

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McCLAME GRADUATED 894 out of 899!!!!! He was the 5th worst person to graduate!!!!!
PLEASE DO RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING STUPID AZZ STUFF LIKE THIS!! NOW YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT! lololololololololololol
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So whats your point, that 895 people had the SAME CLASS's? He had the same classes and yet he only managed to be the 5th worst. Oh I see your point now, Hey McClame, GREAT JOB FOR COMING IN ALMOST LAST!!! LOLOLOLOL

Sarah Palin is a media phenomenon and Obama isn't?! Obama... community organizer and Senator of two years. A lawyer (suddenly, being a lawyer is a good thing?). No real decision making experience, if any.

And I'm not even getting into the flips and flops of Obama (not even his campaign, just talking about what he himself says). Youtube has plenty of videos with directly contradictory statements, or statements of his and when asked about them, said he didn't say it... and then proceeds to answer the question that *he* wants to answer, not the question he was asked.

What do you expect, though, from a lawyer?

And by the way, as far as being in touch with the common people, or whatever you'd like to call us... what would someone who lives in Hyde Park know about that?

It would seem to me that many of current the CEO's (of lending institutions) are not qualified to run their own companies either.

But, why is it the governments fault that a bunch of businesses 'checked their scruples at the door' and put their companies, investors, and clients at risk so they could line their pockets with multimillion dollar bonuses. If there were an ounce of moral fiber among many of these executives, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Not to mention the fact that millions of Americans took VERY RISKY mortgages and overextended their financial capacity. If the government regulates these types of scenarios, they get blasted because folks can't get into houses (they are accused of 'class warfare' or they called racist because minorities find it harder to get into a house of their own). But if they do NOT regulate, these same folks are taken advantage of by the lending institutions. It's a lose-lose.

You can argue that their should have been more oversight, but the need for oversight exists because we have too many people 'using' America to line their pockets, knowing full well that everyone else will pay for it down the road. They take risks that others will have to absorb.

I disagree with Carly. Running the country is similar to running a large corporation. Just because she couldn't do it well, she should not be disrespectful to others who most certainly could do better than she did.

George Bush claims that our troops are in Iraq to act as a magnet for the terrorists so they won't attack us at home. That is a total lie. We have lost over 4,000 loyal soldiers, had over 30,000 terrible casualties, spent over a trillion dollars to act as a "magnet?" They hate us because we are in their country. Time to wake up and stop being lied to.

Old man McCain is a "dead man walking," his father died at 70, and his grandfather at 63. He has had four bouts with melanoma in the last few years, and his physicians have refused to release his comprehensive medical records which include the military ones that probably indicate post traumatic stress syndrome from his POW days. His forgetfulness, anger, impatience, and irrational lack of judgment all point to this type of disorder.

His choice, in this light, of the totally unqualified moose killer Palin is cynical in the extreme. It shows callous disregard of what is needed to get our country out of its problems at home and abroad.

The McCain/Palin offer no solutions or ideas. They just bring us daily doses of Steve Schmidt/Karl Rove hate and smear lies.

The news media is picking up on their tactics this time- unlike 2004- and thus both McCain and Palin are attacking them.
Neither of them can stand the heat from being exposed for what they are. Liars.

When Sarah Palin ran for Governor she was kept completely under wraps. The press was not allowed anywhere near her, for good reason. She is only capable of mouthing cliches, soundbytes, and trite non sequiturs. McCain is handling her the same way in this campaign. No more interviews after the disastrous one with Charles Gibson.

We can't afford to have a vindictive small town, part time, know nothing President. Keep in mind, in the first year as Governor, she spent 300 days and nights at home- 600 miles from her office in Juneau- and charged Alaskans per diem expenses for doing it. $17,000 for meals, and $43,000 for transportation? Some reform.

Until Fiorina came to HP, HP was a stable company with a long history of taking care of its employees. Fiorina changed all that and got into more or less a fist fight with the founders of the comapany. She said it does not matter what the founders wanted as its culture, she is now in charge and she is only interested in improving the stock price of HP. She made enemies from top to bottom at HP. My friend who used to work at HP for over 10 years was given a pink slip without even much warning while she was at the helm. McCain will be regretting that Fiorina is a republican and not a democrat. Because her views on abortion and womens rights are just the opposite of Sarah Palins.

This article is yet another perfect example of left-wing liberal bias in the media. Not only was the QUESTION contrived to attack Palin, the ANSWER was truncated and twisted, and the headline crafted to convey the leftist message.

Your panic is palpable.

Barack Obama doesn't have the judgment and experience to be an elementary school hall monitor.

Did this blogger just try to equate going to the University of Delaware and going to the Naval Academy?

Have you ever met anyone who graduated from the Naval Academy or seen their curriculum... other than that movie they made a couple of years ago?
Yeah. I would really suggest they curve that calling people an idiot stuff, cause their comments aren't leaving them too far behind.

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McCLAME GRADUATED 894 out of 899!!!!! He was the 5th worst person to graduate!!!!!
PLEASE DO RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING STUPID AZZ STUFF LIKE THIS!! NOW YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT! lololololololololololol

When I moved to Fort Collins, CO it was almost a HP Company town but Carly Forina was made chairman of the board and rest is history… may I quote Wikipedia…

“In 2000, she also became HP’s chairman of the board. With the support of the Board of Directors, she led HP into a controversial merger with rival Compaq in 2002. During her tenure, the market halved HP’s value and the company incurred heavy job losses.” She was fired with a golden parachute worth 21 million and has joined McCain as advisor. I would not hire Fornina to run the front desk of my CPA firm let alone advise me on economic issues. I guess this is why McCain things the fundimentals are still strong. Look at the mess we are in with these people running things and McCain will just be more of the same.

McCain is an "expert" when it comes to bailing out rich bankers and screwing over middle class and poor people, he's been doing it for years.

*McCain -Founding Member of the Keating Five:

McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

*McCain - Mafia Ties:

In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.

McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) despite a strong intelligence. He did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics.

Who looks stupid now? Maybe you should brush up on some of your own research.
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No dumbazz, you do the research! I don't care what excuse you use you needledyk buggfuuker, he still graduated at the BOTTOM of the class, you know like your dumbazz. Your boy is a clown, and now because of your stupid azz posts, YOU'RE looking like the idiot your were born to be!! Now go out and be nobody!!!
lintsuckin buttlick!

One Important Reason To Vote Obama: So he can raise taxes, the economy will fail like it did during the Great Depression. Can't wait to see all the rich libs on wallstreet to start jumping off the tops of skyscrapers on prime time tv.

Of course she can run HP, she was the mayor of Wasilla! She's a pitbull... with lipstick. She has stared down the Soviet menace. Plus, she had a layover in Ireland. She told Congress that she didn't want money for the Bridge to Nowhere! She paid for it herself! She sold her plane on ebay.

As Rudy Giuliani says, it's harder to be mayor than to be a CEO.

Everyone knows that!

Tell that liberal looney Carli Fiorina to take her sexist comments back to Europe where they came from.

McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) despite a strong intelligence. He did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics.

Who looks stupid now? Maybe you should brush up on some of your own research.

DanD, what are you talking about. Fiorina made the wrong decision of buying Compaq. She got fired. It took a few years for HP to turn the compaq line around into a profitable business. Fiorina had no hand in making it profitable for HP. HP sruggled to make it all work.

Education: Obama 1)graduated Columbia University; 2) Graduated Harvard School of Law; 3) Constitutional Law Professor from '92 - 2004. Palin 1) Graduated Matanuska Sustina College with a B.A. in Journalism and Communications. This might not qualify Obama for the position, but it will get him the interview.

Sarah Palin has no need, whatsoever, to know what she's doing in the White house. She'll be told by Religious-Right advisors everything she needs to know & do. The Government will be safe from espionage, because all military intentions will be spoken in tongues.

You know what? Fiorina wasn't capable of running a major company like Hewlett-Packard either. Fiorina was fired after greatly damaging HP.

McCain's choices fo advisors like Fiorina, financial market deregulator Phil Gramm, and this Blackberry stooge shows that McCain surrounds himself with idiots, just like President Bush. Palin is another example of choosing an idiot.

Posted by: cuppettcj | September 16, 2008 3:35 PM
Why woudn't they question Obama's or Biden's qualifications? Fiorina explicitly said that you need to have a lifetime of experience in business to run a large corporation. And don't give me the typical liberal "their so smart!" response. If Obama was that smart, he wouldn't think the US has 57 states. And, oh by the way, Biden finished 506th out of 688 classmates at the University of Delaware.
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McCLAME GRADUATED 894 out of 899!!!!! He was the 5th worst person to graduate!!!!!
PLEASE DO RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING STUPID AZZ STUFF LIKE THIS!! NOW YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT! lololololololololololol

Sarah Palin trumped Carly Fiorina for the V.P. job. Until the last minute republican pundits were asking McCain to pick Fiorina as the running mate. Not only is Fiorina a republican but she is also jobless ever since she was fired from HP. She is of course angry at Sarah Palin for taking her VP job away from her. By putting down Sarah Palin Fiorina is slowly releasing her frustration.

Although Fiorina was fired from HP, the moves she made (ie, merger with compaq) as CEO helped make HP overtake Dell. The board did not allow her enough time to realize the benefits of her strategy. So everyone claiming that she's a failure should do some research before speaking. I would say she is very capable of judging who has the ability to run HP.

Wow!! I have never seen such bad writing in my life.She said none of the four candidates could run a major company but you put it out as Palin could not run a company. If you can't be right, just lie! Says alot about your talent.

"She's a decent person and she knows what it's like in the real American world."

Yes, because she flaunted her power in Alaska, lies and deceives on the campaign trail, and had a tanning bed installed in her home. Her religious views are that of the Old Testament, and despite her own daughter being pregnant, still expects victims of rape and incest to buy their own rape kits. Sounds like a really decent person with real american views.

I guess I'd prefer a socialist president to the continuation of a fascist regime in the pockets of corporations and CEOs like Fiorina who will be sipping cocktails in the Caymans as the country falls apart.
McPain and Failin are not good for America.
Obama is not a socialist, he's interested in restoring American ideals (like separation of church and state) and reviving the middle class which has been the back bone to our prosperity since the birth of this nation as well as ensuring that CEOs actually have to perform to earn their salaries.
I'm tired of being called liberal or angry left, because I'm actually concerned about the people of America as if that's some sort of bad thing. Don't you conservative, right wing, Christians see a problem with taking people's interests out of the equation and replacing them with the almighty dollar? Can you show me the Bible verses that speak to that philosophy?

I worked for HP during Carly's reign. She can't run a company either. After she cut 5% of HP's staff she bought herself corporate jets. She destroyed the HP culture and got millions of dollars when the board kicked her out. Why did they kick her out? It might have been because of HP's poor stock price. She ran the company into the ground got some money and ran to hide behind the republicans. I don't want to hear anything out of her mouth. Whatever she says do the opposite. That's another reason to vote Obama.

Are you kidding me? Fiorina is suppose to talk up Palin's qualifications. If Palin is seen as not have the qualifications to run a company like HP, political pundits will question does she have the qualifications to run a $14 trillion economy.

Why woudn't they question Obama's or Biden's qualifications? Fiorina explicitly said that you need to have a lifetime of experience in business to run a large corporation. And don't give me the typical liberal "their so smart!" response. If Obama was that smart, he wouldn't think the US has 57 states. And, oh by the way, Biden finished 506th out of 688 classmates at the University of Delaware.

Besides probably being the fastest flip-flop in political history, these two conflicting statements also provide some insight for undecided voters...they learned that that famous "straight talk" isn't all it's cracked up to be, and that John McCain is right...he really doesn't know too much about economics.

as an Obama supporter, I just want to suggest that at least the other Obama supporters trolling the internet, if not the McCain supporters as well, discontinue this most juvenille exchange full of misrepresentations, and look at the facts, the policies and the true qualities of these two men, and carry on a civil discussion. (i know there are some level heads on here, and this isnt directed at you.)

i feel that every obama supporter who joins the idiotic shouting and lying match with McCain supporters simply dilutes the truth so that all information loses meaning in the discussion.

the only winners here are the site owners selling web-ads. nevermind, the news industry needs the revenue.

The venal left has pushed us towards McCain/Palin. Never in our lives have we witnessed the filthy language and hateful diatribes like we see coming from those who call themselves democrats. No wonder American's are delighted with Palin! She's a decent person and she knows what it's like in the real American world.

Wait! McCain invented the BlackBerry!!! LOLOLOLOLOL And the hits just keep on comin!!! Wait, the fundamentals of our economy is strong!! LOLOLO!!!

The repugs got a candidate that by HIS OWN ADMISSION don't know the economy!
NEWS BREAK:Lehman Brothers has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy\

Merrill Lynch has agreed to a merger with Bank of America

The American International Group announced plans to restructure. AIG

NEWS BREAK: MCCLAME SAYS THE ECONOMY IS STRONG! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You got a presidential candidate that don't know JACK ABOUT THE ECONOMY, his campaign manager says that he isn't qualified to run a company!!!

You got a VP pick who's foreign policy is all of " HEY I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM MY PORCH!"

Who preaches abstinence BUT HER OWN DAUGHTER DIDN'T KEEP HER LEGS CLOSED (I guess she can't even get her daughter to listen)

VP who SON IS A DOPE FIEND!

LOLOL I MEAN DOES IT EVER END? All I read from stupid repugs is what Obama can or can't do or Obama this or that, WE DEMS TALK ABOUT HIS POLICIES!!! You can't even talk about what John McClame is about, his policies or anything BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW YOU IDIOTS!

How can you NOT BE QUALIFIED TO RUN A COMPANY BUT QULAIFIED TO BE THE LEADER OF THE GREATEST ECONOMY ON EARTH!

So Carla thinks you have to have many years of business experience in order to be qualified or competent to run a major US corporation. I hope some reporter asks her to carefully itemize all the experience Cheney had before he took over at Halliburton.

I guess in your racist eyes, a black man with a Havard Law Degree and experience as a United States Senator, is not even deserving of being a night manager at Dairy Queen. Why don't you just wear your sheets and cone hat during the day. I bet your redneck behind doesn't even have a high school Diploma. I also bet if a black women with the same credentials that the redneck, moose hunting, wiskey drinking gun toting Sarah Palin has, the same ones of you so supportive of her, would be vehemently against a black women with the same credentials and experience. Face it, you are just supportive because you can't support a black man no matter how experienced he is. Just say I'm a racist , Grand Dragon of the KKK, and I'll never vote for any black person and I'm proud of it. Don't even bother with your racist explanations.

I worked at HP as a Database Consultant from 1998 to 2002. From my experience during this time Carly Fiorina has no place to talk here. She ran HP into the ground with her desire to be the 100 Pound Guerilla. Here aquisitions of Compac and others were not in HP's best interest and ultimately she was released after being given a much too generous exit package. Must have been necessary to get her to go reasonably.

Bottom line she has not been a good CEO. Look at the companies in her wake: AT&T, Lucent, Avaya, etc. The HP Way went out the Window with her and employees strongly disliked her.

When I saw her involved with McCain I cringed. Now it appears she is on the outs with McCain so she is trying to go negative; so we can basically totally discount what she is saying.

Basically this makes me happy. It shows she no longer will have any influence in the McCain campaign.

She killed almost HP and got money for it!!!
McCain has a bunch of losers who know how to get money in their own pocket. I forgot wasn't Dick Cheney a high school dropout ...yeah but he got into Halliburton and yeah Halliburton and Iraq, well that went well fro him, don't you think so!

Carly Fiorina's response is not surprising to me. If the question had been phrased, "Do you think Palin has the education and capacity to learn how to run HP?", it would have been interesting to hear Fiorina's response. Obama and Biden are both highly educated and intelligent individuals like Fiorina herself. Fiorina would have been lying through her teeth if she answered the question,"YES". It took Palin 6 years and going through 5 different low-key colleges to get a journalism degree.

spin, a lot of ugly personal
biase, americans are sick
of reading a headline.
only to find the story
is nothing like the misleading
headline.
'Obama Sucks'
freshman senator obama was breathing
hard, and sucking wind after an early
morning workout.
lets take everything out
of context, in the name of news.
a feeding frenzy.

Now that the conversation has turned seriously back to important issues like the economy (vs LIPSTICK), we see internal conservative Republican questioning/rejection of the McCain-Palin ticket, first by Carly Fiorina and now by David Brooks.

Michael D. Shear, you are a dishonest political hack who ought to stop writing for a newspaper and go join the Obama campaign. How does Fiorina's comments qualify as a gaffe? She said the same things about Barrack Obama and Joe Biden. And your false claim that Douglas Holtz-Eakin said that McCain invented the BlackBerry are ridiculous and partisan.

You are a disgrace to honest journalism. The only gaffe here was when WaPo hired you.

Are you kidding me? Fiorina is suppose to talk up Palin's qualifications. If Palin is seen as not have the qualifications to run a company like HP, political pundits will question does she have the qualifications to run a $14 trillion economy.

This response is not surprising to me. If the question had been phrased, "Do you think Palin has the education and capacity to learn how to run HP?", it would have been interesting to hear Fiorina's response. Obama and Biden are both highly educated and intelligent individuals like Fiorina herself. Fiorina would have been lying through her teeth if she answered the question,"YES". It took Palin 6 years and going through 5 different low-key colleges to get a journalism degree.

Posted by: Pete | September 16, 2008 3:16 PM
How funny, since Obama has LESS executive experience than Sarah Palin. Anyway, Carly Fiorina is lucky she could run the radio in her car. Just look at what she did to HP.

The statement that McCain created the Blackberry, was a joke. Unlike Al Gore, who really thought he did invent the internet.

Where can the left go to buy a sense of humor? They just don't get it.

Vote for Obama, if you want a socialist president.
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LOLOLOLOL yeah, Vote for MCclame\Palin if you want a president that don't know ANYTHING!!!! LOLOLOLOLO His own people said that he isn't qualified to run a company!!!!!!! LOLOLOOLOLOLOL He's qualified to be the most powerful human on EARTH? BUT CAN't run a business!!!! LOLOLOLOLO don't worry dems, these stupid repugs and their stupid supporters are just killing THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!! Guess what, I can see Canada from my yard! LOLOLOL WHAT RETARDS THEY ARE!!!!!

MORE BONE-HEADED STATEMENTS BY MCCAIN AND HIS SILLY STAFF---ARE YOU SURE HE HASN'T CHANGED HIS NAME TO DAFFY DUCK---wake up America---We need more than a laugh a day---We need economic leadership from Obama and Biden to get us headed in the right direction---Let's get to work for OBAMA/BIDEN '08

all you geniuses. If you can't run a company, you can't run a country with thousands of businesses in it. All you employees are just living off of companies. When they go out of business because our leaders ruin our economy YOU STILL WONT GET IT. retards.

How many times in how many ways are we going to say that McCain is a retarded and below average, he doesn't even know how to use a computer, and Palin, is an schizophrenic lunatic, who doesn't even know how to take care of her own family, her husband is constantly interfering withe her job (like a parasite) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUMWJoLR1sM

Homer Simpson make more sense than McCain...this stupid grumpy old man keep saying that the economy is good.
If you like freaks go and vote for McCain and Palin, and keep a picture of them in your wallet.
But if you love common sense, Vote for Obama.

Fiorina got fired from HP. HP did not think she was good enough to run the company. She is now taking it on Sarah Palin. I don't know why McCain needs Fiorina in his advisory panel. She is jealous of Sarah Palin's good looks and smarts. Remember befoe Fiorina climbed the corporate ladder by sleeping around in hotel rooms during conventions, she was just an ordinary secretary (administrative assistant). She has no special talent herself. The HP board saw right through her foolish actions and got her fired.

Would a horse jockey automatically make a good Nascar driver, or vice versa? After all, both are racing, right? That's about as much sense as comparing running a company and running the government make.

This notion of a candidates ability to run a business or be a lifelong politician, screams of elitism and destroys the myth that any child that is born in this country can someday rise to become President.

Because poor children will have the lifelong contacts or exposure to make it in the business world much less the political world.

@Phillip: "Where was this kind of scrutiny when Dan Quail or Al Gore were V.P.?"

Are you serious? You don't remember either one of them undergoing this kind of scrutiny? Gore didn't when he was the VP pick, but he certainly did when he ran for president. Most of it was BS, by the way. And poor Quayle (correct spelling) couldn't go a week without saying something stupid and having the press jump all over him.

If older white female voter found Palin to be her candidate for VP, guess what?
These female voters knew nothing about the role of a VP in U.S.A..,they only know they are Republicans. What a shame to be uneducated...

Palin now say's she does not respect the authority of the US Justice System and has officially stated that she will neither comply with the investigation into her abuses of power, nor will she comply with subpoenas .

duh, is obama qualified to run same company?? It just kills me how desperate you have become to trash palin over and over again. Litmus test 101, ask the same to presidential candidate obama, then cry the sky is falling. She don't speak like me, so how can she do something I can't...guess what, most of america doesn't speak or think like you..

I agree; it wasn't really a gaffe. However, it's interesting that Fiorina doesn't think Palin's "executive experience" is enough to qualify her to run a company, but running a country (albeit in the VP chair) is just fine. Does she really think the VP job is easier than running HP?

This is no GAFF I repeat this is no GAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. Alert, Alert, ALert. I think it is intentional. They are trying to bring the same politics of the past two weeks back into the fold and in their favors. Obama and co should not take into this. He should not respond to this statement. Let the press does his job.

I wonder what Fiorina thinks of McCain admitting that he doesn't know how to use a computer or even send an email?
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From LA Times

"One reason McCain is not versed in the mechanical details of sending e-mail and typing on a keyboard is that the North Vietnamese broke his fingers and shattered both of his arms. As Forbes, Slate and the Boston Globe reported in 2000, McCain's injuries make using a keyboard painfully laborious. He mostly relies on his wife and staff to show him e-mails and websites, though he says he's getting up to speed."

Also

In 2000, Forbes magazine called him the "Senate's savviest technologist." That same year, Slate's Jacob Weisberg gushed that McCain was the most "cybersavvy" of all the presidential candidates that year, a crop that included none other than Al Gore. Being chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, Weisberg explained, "forced him to learn about the Internet early on, and young Web entrepreneurs such as Jerry Yang and Jeff Bezos fascinate him."

After almost taking down HP she was fired, now Mc Cain is using her as a "business advisor"? Where is the logic? Her comments to layed off HP workers were beyond stupid. Something like, " Your jobs are no longer a god given right." Guess you can make stupid remarks like that when you walk away with $21 million. Please get these people out of here!

Obama doesn't have the experience to be a night manager at a Dairy Queen. At least Palin has run a business and had to make executive decisions. What business would want an inner city Marxist from Chicago's political machine to be its CEO? A big qualification of any CEO is a belief in capitalism -- and an understanding in capitalism.

NMccain and the blackberyy comment, now this?! Speaking of iphone users, http://www.iphone-porn.us is a pretty amazing site for what they seem to be talking about. Free Videos. 6 minutes in length. McCain does it twice an hour.

The follow up question should have been whether Fiorina thinks that being HP CEO gave her the qualifications to be VP (which she happily short listed herself for. Answer wold have been "yes" exposing the conundrum that how can leading HP qualify you for VP but being qualified to be VP doesn't qualify you to lead HP?

The follow up question should have been whether Fiorina thinks that being HP CEO gave her the qualifications to be VP (which she happily short listed herself for. Answer wold have been "yes" exposing the conundrum that how can leading HP qualify you for VP but being qualified to be VP doesn't qualify you to lead HP?

I’m a systems engineer by trade. In my profession, Fiorina is widely considered to be a bust as CEO of HP. Her major accomplishment there was to push through an ill-conceived merger with Compaq. Since these two companies were pretty much direct competitors (Compaq really didn’t do anything that HP wasn’t already doing), the merger didn’t result in any expedited business integration, and the hoped-for efficiencies of scale (created mainly by outsourcing most of HP’s product support), never really materialized. The disappointing financial results led to Fiorina’s firing in 2005 (to the tune of a $21 million severance package).

Fiorina was also criticized for trashing the previous HP culture, and alienating the Hewlett family and HP employees that weren’t loyal to her. In short, she was accused of elevating cronies and punishing critics.

Much of her notoriety seemed to stem from her gender, as she was famously the first female CEO of a “Dow Jones” company, and often appeared in their advertisements. If she was male, she’d hardly have attracted much admiration based on her performance.

I don't think most politicians (only Mitt Romney immediately comes to mind) are qualified to run a company. That said, very few corporate CEOs are qualified to run the government. The premise of the article is stupid.

She ran Alaska and did a great job! Beat Obama and Biden in November that's all that matters. Smaller government, low taxes and keep America protected. McCain and Palin are the ones who can carry that out.

She ran Alaska and did a great job! Beat Obama and Biden in November that's all that matters. Smaller government, low taxes and keep America protected. McCain and Palin are the ones who can carry that out.

The crazed and rabid leftist reporters have finally blown a head gasket. Of course she would not be a choice to run HP. Biden, McCain, Obama--noe of them would have a chance to run that company. They do not have the EXPERIENCE. Why is this garbage news? Desperate liberls is the only answer. They search for absolutely ANYTHING to distort to punish to bash. The pitiful, pathetic, morbid and moribund left. Sad sad little weasels.

I don't think most politicians (only Mitt Romney immediately comes to mind) are qualified to run a company. That said, very few corporate CEOs are qualified to run the government. The premise of the article is stupid.

We all know by looking at HP's performance that Carly isnt qualified to run a gas station much less a "major" corporation. That is why she was run out of HP...and as we see they are STILL suffering from her incompetence.

It must be getting difficult for the large group of people who wont vote for a black man, but look at this mess of a republican ticket and campaign, and realize what you will do to this country if you vote for them. What a joke.

We have been hearing since Reagan that “Government is the problem”; that government should get “out of the way”; that the private sector can always do it better and cheaper.

If one has this philosophy then it is natural to undermine government; to get it “out of the way”.

The Bush administration has systematically undermined the efficacy of the government by gutting any agency which it views as “standing in the way”.

You appoint “your guys” no matter how incompetent; you oust the professionals; you gut their budgets. You oppose anything which might “impede” the private sector corporations - consumer protections; food inspections; road and bridge inspection; financial regulations. You politicize the Justice Department, so that it finds nothing, even torture, objectionable. Anti-trust enforcement becomes non-existent.

You never lift a voice or use the bully pulpit against corporations shipping jobs wholesale overseas. Our retailers buy their inventory from China and you ship them our money, never insisting that China adjust its foreign exchange rate. Then you borrow the money back from China to plug our budget deficit, caused by corporate tax cuts and cuts for the top 1% of Americans. You ship the borrowed money to our oil suppliers and oppose any effort to reduce dependency by seeking alternative renewable sources of fuel. After all, you’re an oil man.

You start an unnecessary war costing hundreds of billions of dollars much of it going to favored construction companies doing work shoddy enough to electrocute ten soldiers in their showers. Hired thugs masquerading as “security details” rake in more of the money, answering to no one. You “rebuild” Iraq (which we never had to destroy anyway) while the Iraqis have almost $80 billion in the bank.

You shred the Constitution, abridge habeas corpus. You get elected by selling your “values” while robbing the country blind. You never talk about economics. You always scare the voters with the next bogeyman around the corner. When the media disagrees with you, you attack it as “unfair” with “liberal bias”. You start your own media outlets that parrot the party line.

You take the country into a permanent state of war with a volunteer army - a state so permanent no one even notices it anymore as they go to the mall. You ask nothing from them but their acquiescence.

“Just go shopping folks!”

What we clearly have now is a corporate state run by those who think law doesn’t apply to them.

In early 1995, after Republicans had taken control of Congress, Mr. McCain promoted a moratorium on federal regulations of all kinds. He was quoted as saying that excessive regulations were "destroying the American family, the American dream" and voters "want these regulations stopped." The moratorium measure was unsuccessful.

And what did he state in March of this year?

"I’m always for less regulation," he told The Wall Street Journal last March, "but I am aware of the view that there is a need for government oversight" in situations like the subprime lending crisis, the problem that has cascaded through Wall Street this year. He concluded, "but I am fundamentally a deregulator."

The only "gaffe" Fiorina made was being honest, which is a definite no-no in the McCain campaign these days. But she's right; Palin doesn't have the experience to run a company. She also isn't qualified to be VP, but as long as she can kill a moose with one hand and reapply her lipstick with the other, who cares?

Sarah Palin’s rapid elevation from small town mayor to candidate for national office to revered deity, has got me asking if conservatives aren’t taking a bit too much of the savior in mass (or smoking crack). The hyperbole exceeds satire.

The Sarah Palin phenomenon is truly a product of the post-media age. A woman, of whom nothing is known, has become in the minds of a significant percentage of Americans a messianic figure. Based on what? Looks, gender, and a baby with Down’s Syndrome.

That’s it.

Who’s your messiah now? Sarah Palin. And you better pray she’s studying hard for that debate and paying off the townies back home, or she just might be a false prophet.

The only "gaffe" Fiorina made was being honest, which is a definite no-no in the McCain campaign these days. But she's right; Palin doesn't have the experience to run a company. She also isn't qualified to be VP, but as long as she can kill a moose with one hand and reapply her lipstick with the other, who cares?