First off I would like to apologize for royally messing up the time. I meant to say the day would begin at 5:00 DDO time - if I messed up any plans, I apologize.

Killed DP2:RocketEngineer - You are DARTH MAUL, the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious. A warrior, you seek to aid Sidious in taking control of the galaxy. You are a skilled lightsaber duelist, utilizing a unique double-bladed lightsaber that is difficult to use but just as difficult to defend against. Because of this, you are the ROLEBLOCKER, allowing you to prevent a player from using their night role for the night phase. You also have the 1x ability to perform an additonal mafia nightkill, but you may not perform it and roleblockduring the same night phase.Affiliation: Sith

Died NP1:Hatstand - You are YODA. The wisest and oldest of Jedi Masters, you are held in high esteem by all Jedi, Padawan and Master alike. Due to your proficiency in the force, you are the JOAT; each night, you may perform a single 1x ability:*ROLEBLOCKER - You may prevent one player from performing their night action.*DOCTOR - You may prevent one player from being nightkilled.*WATCHER - You may watch a player and see who targeted him.*ROLE COP - You target one player and determine their character and role.Affiliation: Republic.

With 12 players it takes 7 votes to lynch.The day phase will end no later than: 11/19 5:00 PM DDO time

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And then there a few people with REALLY questionable decisions last round, espeically towards the end. For instance: You, Hatstand

(I have no idea what to think about Trekie's play) Anyways, I think the fact that you hard vouched for JonMilne, steered a TUF lynch over the OBVIOUS rocket lynch, and have been instrumental in dividing the town probably are pretty bad signs for your prolonged commitment to this game.

How did she "steer" for a TUF lynch, outside the ending of DP1? How did she divide the town? I got the exact opposite from her, actually. To me she seemed like she was the most conflicted, without trying to purposely "look" conflicted (IE trekie).

At 11/15/2013 9:29:00 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:Give me a break, man. I trolled a little. I couldn't resist lynching TUF or preying on Spinko's ego - can you really say you've never been there? We win anyway.

You need to be replaced or killed. You are playing for yourself only, not an in-game win.

Xerox is town, I'd say. Dunno about Ore_Ele. I'd say Trekie was the more questionable out of her and Hatstand, too. You don't think her switch at the end seemed very opportunistic?

How was it a switch? The DP was about to expire, and she clearly had to make a choice, or result in a more harmful no lynch.

At 11/15/2013 10:20:39 PM, Yraelz wrote:I think you're partially correct in this. I see that you answered Noumena's question, however you had previously shown patience for NRS (#211 & #269) play. To me your post feels like you had an opportunity to present two sides of a story (nooby & low input) and you chose to present only one (low input).

He doesn't have tells. He's a troll who had purposely ruined games when he used to play (around 2 years ago). Outed his entire scum team in one of Danielle's games. I wish he was dead and/or replaced.

He outed his scum team in Ishall's LOTR mafia as well. I don't know why he was allowed in this game.

Nobody told me this when he asked to be in. This is my first-time modding and I wasn't around two years ago.

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At 11/16/2013 5:40:35 AM, Hatstand wrote:JonMilne - scum by role and Rolecop. Also, asked for full claim without real explanation. Far more likely to be a scum move, trying to figure out what was safe to claim.

Also why did Yraelz only get a "Strongman" out of him, instead of the vig part? Yeah, he's scum.

Srehtiw - Null - jumps on bandwagons but provides his town reasoning for it. I'd like to see reads from him.

Exactly my thoughts. The role cop claim seems WAY too convenient, but I would like to see what he pulls out of his butt this day phase before making any assertions. This rang my scum bell as well.

Ore_Ele - Slight Town - offers to out role with Sparkies. More analysis when I am more awake.

AnDoctuir - town via claim - Swinging reads. Critical of Ore_Ele one post and certain of him the next. Apparently knew that TUF was innocent, but pushed his lynch anyway. This guy is probably quite smart, and capable of catching scum, but there's no way we can trust what he says to be true. His claim pretty much confirms him as town. If there is a Vig (or a god) please let him die at night, so we won't have to deal with his nonsense anymore. We get a free lynch for it too.

Sparkies - town via claim - hated townie isn't something you can fake. However, he is being extremely annoying

RocketEngineer - scum - CC'd a townie. No question there.

NightCats - null - has been quite active, but hasn't posted much in the way of explanation for his actions. From what I've seen of him, this isn't exactly out of character, but I'd like some proper reads from him all the same.

Xerox - slight scum - what bothers me so much about these guys is the extent to which they seem to be going with the flow - simply jumping from one bandwagon to the next. Solid reads, please.

Mrs.lynch - town - R2-D2 and vanilla. The similarity to TUF's role speaks in her favour. However, I would like to know how much of the DP she was reading, seeing as she seemed to step in at the perfect moment, and if she was reading the whole time, I'd like to know why that was all she contributed.

Noumena - townish - his scumhunting seemed genuine, and his role has been confirmed. His claims about knowing what was going on in the NP are mystifying, and I'd like to hear more on that topic.

Agreed, though I think his jump on Jon DP1 set him apart, and also not taking immediant advantage of the CC on me.

Khaos (replacing Daytonanerd) - town via claim - Claimed Mace

Trekie - if she's scum, she's good. I'm not trying to read that at this hour. Let me get back to you on her in the morning.

Role copping a sketchy bomb claim is totally logical. Bussing is not out of the question, but I doubt it. Plus, I think this...

I would agree if he were town. But can you not see a mafia member do this in order to self confirm himself? I mean as of DP1, it was established that Jon was dead meat anyway. And with Rocket's CC, they might be desperate for an early confirmation. Yraelz's quick action being replaced in makes sense to me coming from him. I have also seen him fight uphill battles like this before as mafia, which only strengthens my suspicions. Again, I will wait to hear what he has to say though.

At 11/14/2013 8:54:43 AM, TN05 wrote:Reminder to all players: Please respond to your role PM if you have not already. I have several role PMs that are not showing up in my inbox

...implies the strong likelyhood that the people who replaced in are among these people the mod is reffering. And if they haven't responded to their PMs and it's not showing up in TN05's inbox, that he ain't talking about people in a mafia PM.

Also factor in inactives, such as NOTLC, mrs.lynch, and khaos, the other replacement. This is a bit of a stretch, albeit possible.

Social, we're gonna need some explaining from you. You said you're day kill was a one shot and implied that you had additional powers (by saying you know why the mafia had no night kill), however, Yoda just flipped as JOAT.

Mrs.lynch - town - R2-D2 and vanilla. The similarity to TUF's role speaks in her favour. However, I would like to know how much of the DP she was reading, seeing as she seemed to step in at the perfect moment, and if she was reading the whole time, I'd like to know why that was all she contributed.

I think she's confirmed town at this point. TUF's role PM from the OP has the same amount of nothing and very similliar phrasing about being vanilla as Mrs.lynch said she had. And she said it last DP before TUF said anything specific about it.

Okay I am going to call bull sh1t on you here.

Remember this?

At 11/14/2013 11:16:38 AM, trekie wrote:

Not even the fact that R2-D2's role is somehow the exact same as mine, yet mentions nothing in conjunction to needing to communicate with C-3P0?

I don't see why it would have to.

To everyone else, this is what trekie said to me when I was defending myself against her saying she would lynch me.

At 11/17/2013 6:59:44 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:Social, we're gonna need some explaining from you. You said you're day kill was a one shot and implied that you had additional powers (by saying you know why the mafia had no night kill), however, Yoda just flipped as JOAT.

Who's "we"? Interesting you would presume to speak for everyone else (or seem to do so).

Okay guys, we have all day phase to lynch Jon. For now, let's utilize this DP as much as we can. My top two priorities are hearing from trekie, and Yraelz my two top suspects.

With a JOAT role cop in the graveyard, 2 town role cops is seeming unlikely to me. If Yraelz is indeed a rolecop, I am aware that he is probably the scum role cop, if at all a rolecop. But I don't think he would have made a claim that early that he couldn't back up later.

Hatstand's death was a tragic loss to the town. Not only was she confirmed town in my books without even claiming, she was also one of the town's strongest assets rolewise, and play wise. Here is to you, hatstand. I mourn you.

At 11/17/2013 6:59:44 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:Social, we're gonna need some explaining from you. You said you're day kill was a one shot and implied that you had additional powers (by saying you know why the mafia had no night kill), however, Yoda just flipped as JOAT.

I agree with this. The only problem I keep running into is the mod verbally omitted that Khaos1 was "day vigged". Unless there is some bastard modding going on, or TN05 is simply oblivious to the term "sniped", that almost confirms Nouema. But on the other side of the spectrum, I also have a roadblock in seeing why the mod would "confirm" Nouema in that way. That definitely doesn't seem fair to the mafia.