TBS all the way. I did try spinnerchief but TBS wins hands down. ......

Perhaps you could tell us why -that's the idea of a review.

As far as we are aware, SpinnerCHief has every function that TBS has - plus a whole load more. The thesaurus is colossal too - no-one has complained about it as yet.

I mean sure - if you're dead set on paying $84 for a product which is clearly inferior to the market leader - which is free -, go right ahead, but at least let the members understand why you would do such a thing.

As far as we are aware, SpinnerCHief has every function that TBS has - plus a whole load more. The thesaurus is colossal too - no-one has complained about it as yet.

I mean sure - if you're dead set on paying $84 for a product which is clearly inferior to the market leader - which is free -, go right ahead, but at least let the members understand why you would do such a thing.

I am not sure that i can really believe what you say because if you are the owner of content hurricane, then you both (CH and SC) have a relationship.. I have seen them promote your product on their forum..

I am not sure that i can really believe what you say because if you are the owner of content hurricane, then you both (CH and SC) have a relationship.. I have seen them promote your product on their forum..

We all would like to see a non biased opinion about this

Apologies, there was no intention to hide anything Yes, I am co-owner of SC, but that doesn't necessarily mean that my points are invalid.

As far as we are aware, SpinnerCHief has every function that TBS has - plus a whole load more. The thesaurus is colossal too - no-one has complained about it as yet.

I mean sure - if you're dead set on paying $84 for a product which is clearly inferior to the market leader - which is free -, go right ahead, but at least let the members understand why you would do such a thing.

I have been using SpinnerChief. I know people don't think FREE is good and a lot of people have been asking the same from product owner on his forum. But I really love with overall functionality of the software. They have 10 synonyms for each keyword or line as you select to what level you want to spin the article, whether to 1 word 2 or 3 and so on.

Spinner Chief is really good. I have a good experience with it than Magic Article Rewriter. I have tried one article to spin with this software, and I can't believe the uniqueness is up to more than 90%! It's good that this is free, and very useful for newbies and pros.

Ok...what? inferior? Really? Come on, don't bash your competitor. I can create hyperlinks with a click as well as protect my terms with a click. The database is continually updated and gets downloaded locally every time it is updated. Jonathan is responsive to both user issues and feature requests, putting out several new updates a day sometimes. I can choose the level of spin I want but most times don't have to touch what it outputs.

In short it is fast, feature rich and damn well worth the money. And I wouldn't be so quick to insult other products just because yours is free. I've tried yours, I do like the article comparison, but for me TBS will remain my main software as with the amount of articles I have to spin, it is quite simply, faster.

Oh, one thing: can you provide independent verification that SpinnerChief is the market leader? I'm not going to apologize for my opinion, nowhere did I saw that your product was bad, so please stop getting defensive.

Ok...what? inferior? Really? Come on, don't bash your competitor. I can create hyperlinks with a click as well as protect my terms with a click. The database is continually updated and gets downloaded locally every time it is updated. Jonathan is responsive to both user issues and feature requests, putting out several new updates a day sometimes. I can choose the level of spin I want but most times don't have to touch what it outputs.

In short it is fast, feature rich and damn well worth the money. And I wouldn't be so quick to insult other products just because yours is free. I've tried yours, I do like the article comparison, but for me TBS will remain my main software as with the amount of articles I have to spin, it is quite simply, faster.

Oh, one thing: can you provide independent verification that SpinnerChief is the market leader? I'm not going to apologize for my opinion, nowhere did I saw that your product was bad, so please stop getting defensive.

Hi,

Could you list out some features that will help me make a buying decision as to which one I should go for.. I understand that TBS is better, but the 77$ price tag compared to FREE is a bit disturbing. So why do you think the extra 77$ is worth it? does it contain more synonyms than spinner chief?

One feature I saw is the ability to change the length of each article. Anything else?

Additionally we are sure that SpinnerChief has most of the same functions and features as TBS. We missed out a couple because we thought they were not very good, and not used by many people. But if there is a feature you would like to see in SpinnerChief, just let us know, we will update SpinnerChief to include the feature in a couple of days.

One feature I saw is the ability to change the length of each article. Anything else?

Here's what I suggest Rem: Take the 7 day trial and compare for yourself. I could list features but really what it comes down to is which tool you find fits best into what you do. I can tell you that $77 is nothing when it comes to your business. But I also know that for some, the budget is a shoestring.

I've been using TBS for about 5 months now. You can see the feature set on the sales page, but what may not come across is how aggressive the product creator is in supporting & updating the software. Updates are frequent and solid, and the forum is active and helpful.

I've found the thesaurus to be extremely good, the software extremely stable, and the feature set very comprehensive. It's rare that I use software that I can't think of features I would like to see in it that aren't there - TBS is one.

One interesting feature I've begun using is the user-supplied library of articles. Essentially, a user can upload articles which you can then use as-is, or re-spin and use. Though there aren't hundreds of articles available, it is growing steadily, and the quality of the articles are pretty high.

This is what I'm most interested in. I would like to see a feee spin program allow me to handle the synonym database from my own pc as the "server" while anything that costs a charge monthly uses the company's DB on their server. That would be perfect!

This is what I'm most interested in. I would like to see a feee spin program allow me to handle the synonym database from my own pc as the "server" while anything that costs a charge monthly uses the company's DB on their server. That would be perfect!

Don't quite understand this. Why would you want to pay for the inconvenience of having to use the thesaurus from a server?

I agree, why would anyone want to do that? Only if that server had better synonyms than a database you built for yourself, but is that possible? I don't think I want something like that! I want to be able to fully control my own synonym database. Does the spinner chief allow that? I really like what I have been seeing about SC lately AJ113! Keep up the great work!

Originally Posted by aj113

Don't quite understand this. Why would you want to pay for the inconvenience of having to use the thesaurus from a server?

.... I want to be able to fully control my own synonym database. Does the spinner chief allow that? ....

Yes of course - that is one of the great features of SpinnerChief. In fact, it is so good that TBS copied it recently, and now BTW, we see that TBS has copied our batch file function! LOL - what was that about being "Market Leader" ?

Back to the thesaurus: As you know, users can create their own thesaurus, but using a new forum feature that will come soon, (a sort of 'thesaurus exchange'), users will be able to sell their thesaurus to other SC users. So for example you may have a specialist niche thesaurus, or a foreign language thesaurus - there will be many other SC users eager to use it, so it could become a real money spinner for you, while offering a valuable service to others.

Yes of course - that is one of the great features of SpinnerChief. In fact, it is so good that TBS copied it recently, and now BTW, we see that TBS has copied our batch file function! LOL - what was that about being "Market Leader" ?

You shouldn't say that... You have a thread in your whitehatautomation forum asking for features of TBS you can implement in SC... So you are copying them as well in the form of "feature request"...

,,,.. So you are copying them as well in the form of "feature request"...

Yes - we have never denied that, but my point is that when the alleged 'market leader' is reciprocating by copying SpinnerChief's features, it throws the mantle of 'market leader' in to doubt - especially when you consider that SpinnerChief is free.

Yes - we have never denied that, but my point is that when the alleged 'market leader' is reciprocating by copying SpinnerChief's features, it throws the mantle of 'market leader' in to doubt - especially when you consider that SpinnerChief is free.

I don't know about anyone else, but your whole attitude is a big turn-off. Granted it's the software we buy/use, but contrast these posts to the posts, emails, etc. of Jon Leger, and it's a pretty stark difference.

Maybe you would find more 'converts' if you were a bit more gracious and humble. When I hear these sorts of combative or condescending jabs, I often won't go any further to check out the product behind it.

.....Maybe you would find more 'converts' if you were a bit more gracious and humble. ...
Kim

Yep maybe you're right, and indeed we did begin the project with a different attitude - but if you and your product had been slandered and kicked from pillar to post in the way we have, you too may have a bit more of a robust attitude. For example I spent every working day for two weeks replying to ridiculous accusations on this forum alone. That kind of relentless persecution does not come from nowhere!

Ultimately the best solution is to compare the two products. Which one has the best features? Which one is the more robust? Which one has the most comprehensive and responsive support? Which one has the most complaints in terms of quality of product, quality of service, and quality of support? Which one represents the best value for money?

Ultimately the best solution is to compare the two products. Which one has the best features? Which one is the more robust? Which one has the most comprehensive and responsive support? Which one has the most complaints in terms of quality of product, quality of service, and quality of support? Which one represents the best value for money?

I have to agree with that guy as well. I'm reading this thread and it's a turn off.

You are absolutely right, it's about comparing features, value, ease-of-use, etc. It seems like your product stands up pretty well. Stick to comparisons and leave it at that.

Yep maybe you're right, and indeed we did begin the project with a different attitude - but if you and your product had been slandered and kicked from pillar to post in the way we have, you too may have a bit more of a robust attitude. For example I spent every working day for two weeks replying to ridiculous accusations on this forum alone. That kind of relentless persecution does not come from nowhere!

Ultimately the best solution is to compare the two products. Which one has the best features? Which one is the more robust? Which one has the most comprehensive and responsive support? Which one has the most complaints in terms of quality of product, quality of service, and quality of support? Which one represents the best value for money?

I would like to chime in here on the subject of support.

The SC forum is one of the best support services I have seen in a long time. Questions are answered rapidly and properly. Problems are sorted immediately. Feedback is listened to and, if sensible, actioned immediately.

This responsive attitude has quickly led to other SC users sharing ideas, self made graphics, their own video tutorials and other info there to help everybody.

I remember the attacks that the SC team had to endure from unknown (?) sources back when they brought this product out and can understand that that put them 'on the attack' so to speak in the market. I don't like the puffing up the chest and bragging attitude much either, but I can see where it has come from.

One positive aspect of that whole nasty experience is that the team and the users who saw beyond the crap (and it was total crap, btw) and stuck with SC in those early days have developed a support system which has more of a 'family' atmosphere. The forum is a nice place to hang...even if you do not have a product issue to air.

Since the launch of the Turbo Aff program there is a real buzz going on too.

Who cares what his attitude is? The only attitude I care about is TBS costs $77/year and SC is free.

FREE!

I've never tried TBS but I use SC and all i gotta say is, aj can spit in my face for all I care, as long as he lets me keep using SC for -- did I say it already? - FREE!

Oh, and TBS better spin articles if I'm paying $77/year. :rolleyes:

Heh, I must admit I chuckled when I read about problems with my attitude. I make my living from the internet, and there are some pretty hefty expenses associated with doing that. If someone gave me an excellent (and relevant to my operation) product for free, attitude would not be on the agenda.

There is only one thing that matters in this game - how much money can I get in to my bank account before the end of the month so that my kids can eat for yet another month. I guess eveyone's different.

And don't worry, you can continue using SC for free, it will always be free.

There is no doubt that SC and TBS are tools that are VERY CLOSE in terms of function...and even if they weren't the FREE part would be enough to make many overlook any potential downside.

BUT

At one time TBS was the ONLY spinner that did what it does EVEN CLOSE to good as it does it. Plus, Jon has supported that thing unlike any software I've ever purchased for the most part, so you are going to have some folks that are loyal to him for the death...hell, I'm probably one of them.

I have no problem locking in my $77 a year KNOWING that because there is money to be made JON has motivation to not only make sure that the software works, but works well.

You think the folks over at SpinnerChief are doing all this work just to give out a free tool, and that there isn't any backend coming in the future?

....
You think the folks over at SpinnerChief are doing all this work just to give out a free tool, and that there isn't any backend coming in the future?

If there isn't, I'd be very surprised.

We have stated many times that premium versions will be released soon, but this is no bait and switch. SpinnerChief as it stands right now will remain free forever, so you can all rest easy about ever having to pay anything.

We have stated many times that premium versions will be released soon, but this is no bait and switch. SpinnerChief as it stands right now will remain free forever, so you can all rest easy about ever having to pay anything.

I wasn't accusing you of baiting and switching I was more or less commenting on how naive some seem to be.

Like I said, SpinnerChief does what it says on the tin, and is a great tool for anyone looking to spin content for any reason...so, you'll get no gripes about the product from me

Sounds like some great things to look out for. I really am already happy with SC and it's helped my business immensely over the short time I have been using it. These new features will make me a paid customer of the pro version for sure the day it comes out!

Originally Posted by aj113

Yes of course - that is one of the great features of SpinnerChief. In fact, it is so good that TBS copied it recently, and now BTW, we see that TBS has copied our batch file function! LOL - what was that about being "Market Leader" ?

Back to the thesaurus: As you know, users can create their own thesaurus, but using a new forum feature that will come soon, (a sort of 'thesaurus exchange'), users will be able to sell their thesaurus to other SC users. So for example you may have a specialist niche thesaurus, or a foreign language thesaurus - there will be many other SC users eager to use it, so it could become a real money spinner for you, while offering a valuable service to others.

i haven't tried the best spinner yet. i have tried magic rewriter and llama spin. in my opinion spinner chief fits my needs better and i like it much better. I don't even use llama spin anymore. it's spinner chief all day for me

I have been using The Best Spinner for two months so far, and I'm really happy with it. It seems like most of the products I buy don't live up to expectations. TBS is one of a handful of recent exceptions.

I've begun 'training' Dragon Naturally Speaking for some of the TBS functions. If I can get that working smoothly, I expect my productivity and output to be at crazy high levels.

I'm using both right now and I agree with the above comment about humility. Remember, there's nothing wrong with either paying for the software you use (if you've got a real business, not everything is free anyway), and neither is there anything wrong with using free software. The key is in which suits your work flow best. Truthfully, I've bought Market Samurai, Article Marketing Robot, TBS, Article Architect and Dragon Naturally Speaking (And a Yeti microphone). I could NOT do things effectively without these tools and at most they cost over time, $300 or so.

Not that much if you're running a business and anyway you would buy these as needed not all at once.

My point is: to call any software down (especially your competitor's) because the software developer has decided to GET PAID for the time he put in and continues to put in, is stupid. And compared to other softare (SENUKE comes to mind) $77 per year is nothing.

.....My point is: to call any software down (especially your competitor's) because the software developer has decided to GET PAID for the time he put in and continues to put in, is stupid. ....

It's a review thread. The fact that SpinnerChief is free compared to a $77 yearly subscription is relevant. Even the OP made that point - and if you think that $77 per year is nothing, I humbly suggest you are mistaken, as the thousands of registered users of SpinnerChief would seem to illustrate.

It's a review thread. The fact that SpinnerChief is free compared to a $77 yearly subscription is relevant. Even the OP made that point - and if you think that $77 per year is nothing, I humbly suggest you are mistaken, as the thousands of registered users of SpinnerChief would seem to illustrate.

Quick question that wasn't clear in the video. Can you add your own text? For example, spinning on the sentence level, then adding nested synonyms?

You can review software without bashing your competitor. And no $77 a year really is NOTHING. Consider you pay more than that to Hostgator in a year. No one here said your software was bad (certainly not me). I simply gave my opinion. If you feel that this is bashing you then you need a thicker skin. Both TBS and Spinnerchief serve the market. And I for one am glad for the competition. But in terms of attitude, Jonathan's is much better than yours.

You can review software without bashing your competitor. And no $77 a year really is NOTHING. ....

Hmm... do I detect a bit of reciprocal attitude here?

It may be "NOTHING" to you, but are you truly considering the position of all members when you say that? Or is it just that YOU can afford it, so everyone else should be able to aswell?

Not sure what you mean by 'bashing your competitor' but if you mean I am highlighting our competitor's weaknesses then - hell yeah, guilty as charged.

As I said previously, compare the two products. If you find any weakneses/problems with SpinnerChief, let us know, and we will make the necessary changes. If you are not using SpinnerChief on some kind of 'holier than thou' principle, go for it - it's your choice, but you will be left behind. We will not rest until SpinnerChief is the acknowledged industry standard.

Excuse what may seem a silly question but I'm just getting into article marketing so cut me some slack here please

I've demo'd a couple of spinners and the problem is that they've come up with text that is complete nonsense. Quite funny at times, but not really usable.

Given the positivity on this thread about these 2 products i expect the answer to my question is yes, but do these products come up with articles that are readable, make sense and are ready to use? Or do they just reword the articles for the user to then tidy up into something readable?

I have been using TheBestspinner for a few months now and I love it. Its worth the price. Makes articles spinning very easy and you can build some quality spins. Great if you need a lot of spun articles. Always new updates coming out so really good deal.

aj, I already did. In terms of the interface and speed, FOR ME, TBS wins. Also wins on the way the UI is structured, less confusing. The DB in SC seems very slow to load. But minor quibble I guess. For my money and time, TBS still wins. But then I've been using longer and am used to the workflow as well.

aj, I already did. In terms of the interface and speed, FOR ME, TBS wins. Also wins on the way the UI is structured, less confusing. The DB in SC seems very slow to load. But minor quibble I guess. For my money and time, TBS still wins. But then I've been using longer and am used to the workflow as well.

You must be right but SC is free till now and having free software of this quality is certainly a great blessing.

Jackson, I'll suggest to have SpinnerChief in the wings, just in case there are issues with TBS. It doesn't happen much but it might be a wise idea. that way should there ever be an issue, you can keep going. And remember SpinnerChief is free so it won't cost anything to have the software on your system as a back up.

Nope. Look at Market Samurai. It costs and is still in beta. But there again, it is worth the cost. Just because a software is free doesn't make it valueless (look at Ubuntu or Blender). Free != major league suckage

This is a great product and I thank you for the effort. As a programmer I have an idea for you. Maybe license the ENGINE (as a class library or even a toolbox control) to developers who want to integrate spinners into their products. This is easily done with .net.

This is a great product and I thank you for the effort. As a programmer I have an idea for you. Maybe license the ENGINE (as a class library or even a toolbox control) to developers who want to integrate spinners into their products. This is easily done with .net.

There is an api. All information can bee seen in the 'developer api' tab

There is an api. All information can bee seen in the 'developer api' tab

I’m a skeptical SOB, so that’s the reason for this question

Say I got on board with your API to integrate SC in another app.

Now say I sell thousand of copies of my app (I wish), what’s to stop you at any time in the future pulling the plug on access to your API, and so any application out there that is using your API will be ruined.

Now say I sell thousand of copies of my app (I wish), what’s to stop you at any time in the future pulling the plug on access to your API, and so any application out there that is using your API will be ruined.

I trust you are going to be consistent and acknowledge the fact that your scenario is equally applicable to all software api's.

Is there any wordpress plugin which can use spinnercheif and spin the Posts automatically as they are posted in my autoblogs?

I am aware of one plugin for TBS called the wpspin which claims that it does this job.(Though i haven't tested it yet)

But if Spinnercheif has this Plugin i will even go ahead and pay for it....

I would be honoured if AJ can clear this question for me...

In fact, a guy uploaded exactly this to the SC user's forum today, but I deleted the thread because on downloading the plugin, his SC api was mysteriously named tbsapi.php. If he changes this I will let you know.

In the meantime, the SC api is available for any developer who wants to incorporate SC in to a WP plugin.

In fact, a guy uploaded exactly this to the SC user's forum today, but I deleted the thread because on downloading the plugin, his SC api was mysteriously named tbsapi.php. If he changes this I will let you know.

In the meantime, the SC api is available for any developer who wants to incorporate SC in to a WP plugin.

Aj, I think that stops a lot of people from buying, me included.

I know this sounds crazy, but I bought a few programs that were a one time cost, it stop getting updated. I prefer one time cost, but I know sooner or later it going stop getting updated. The longest one I got right now that still updates, is amr and scrapebox.

I am more interested in the content hurricane plugin, so that is cool that you throw that in with sc, checking the reviews,

I understand you need to defend yourself, but it puts potential customers off, like me, but I am more interested in the ch than "your attitude"
Please do not take this the wrong way

I am sorry, most software and plugins uses tbs, have you ever talk to the major creators, like seo link robot, wpspin, not sure about senuke, (have not used in a long time) about adding your software, you would get a lot of people on board.

I am sorry, most software and plugins uses tbs, have you ever talk to the major creators, like seo link robot, wpspin, not sure about senuke, (have not used in a long time) about adding your software, you would get a lot of people on board.

Also how big is the thesaurus

The problem with the TBS api is that you need to be a $77-per-year licence holder to use it.

We are currently coding a server-based api that all developers can add to their software, and which of course will be free.

The SC thesaurus is huge, and in my opinion is is better than TBS because TBS's thesaurus is 50% garbage due to the fact that it is created by TBS's users.

I think he may mean it can auto spin articles. You'd still have to work at getting the spintext right, but once that is done, there is the option to spin 1 article up to 1000 times. I THINK that's what he meant.

Hey AJ, any thoughts as to an SENuke competitor? I think they badly need some competition...

there will always be some tidying up to do. No article spinner can (yet) come up with fully readable articles on it's own. There will always be some level of author interaction. And that really is a good thing.

there will always be some tidying up to do. No article spinner can (yet) come up with fully readable articles on it's own. There will always be some level of author interaction. And that really is a good thing.

Yeah that makes sense and to be fair i think that's how I'd want it. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply

Ok, AJ, I'll take that challenge. Dude, if you can come up with something like that, you'll have yourself a new convert. With the number of writers and articles I deal with, that would be killer!

I know, I love it when people tell me it "can't be done" - that's what spurs me on. I am writing a "miracle" thesaurus for SC. It can spin up to 90% human readable - just need that final 10% - not easy, but I am getting there.

I'm much looking forward to that update you're working on with the thesaurus. I really want to test THAT out. I will say you do seem to get defensive awful quickly. Just focus on what you do best. Ignore the rest.

Yeah I guess when you look at it like that in the cold light of day it is quite exciting - but that final 10% does tend to ruin an otherwise very good job, and it is also proving to be the most difficult part to crack. Still, I do a little bit more every day.....

Two points.
Always a risk regardless of who offers an API.
Why would Spinner Chief make this huge investment without any immediate reward unless they had a passion to be the best at what they do. If you use it and participate in their forum you will always get a quick intelligent response to your query. What other software provider does that? None that I am aware of and I do respects a few of them. But none of them are as responsive as SC and none of them
take the time to make updated vids like they do.

As far as functionality between the 2 pieces of software, I don't think that there is a big difference. I personally like the interface of TBS better than SC. I like the fact that there are no ads on TBS as well. Like I said though, as far as functionality goes, there isn't any difference in my opinion, so FREE is a good price to pay for SC considering that it does work as advertised, and as far as I'm concerned has the same functionality as TBS which has a yearly fee.

I personally love the best spinner. the spun articles actually make sense which i havent seen much in other spinners

They only make sense if you take the time to enter the synonyms manually. If you're trying to tell me that you can autospin an article in TBS to human readable level I'm going to have to call your bluff young man.

If The Best Spinner was JUST $77 - then I would probably have bought it last year.
But having to pay $7 for 7 days then $77 a year is just plain greedy.
Even Microsoft don't try to sting you that much every year.
Any spinner needs 'work' to get good results and Spinner Chief is a great product that does the job well. Plus regular thesaurus updates continue to improve it all the time

*shrugs* do you have any software that is a monthly fee? I do! It allows the developer to be paid for his time to update things. I have no problem with Jon's fee structure. IT really is a drop in the bucket. The key is in only using one or two software, not 10 like some do. The only monthly software I have is Magic Submitter. Couple that with TBS and AMR {one time fee} (let's not forget Market Samurai), and its all you really need. Besides, what about video games? Every year Call of Duty comes out. Its basically the same game with new story or new graphics. And yet people don't complain about THAT yearly fee (which is close to TBS).

*shrugs* do you have any software that is a monthly fee? I do! It allows the developer to be paid for his time to update things. I have no problem with Jon's fee structure. IT really is a drop in the bucket. The key is in only using one or two software, not 10 like some do. The only monthly software I have is Magic Submitter. Couple that with TBS and AMR {one time fee} (let's not forget Market Samurai), and its all you really need. Besides, what about video games? Every year Call of Duty comes out. Its basically the same game with new story or new graphics. And yet people don't complain about THAT yearly fee (which is close to TBS).

ehhhh, I don't think that the crux here is the yearly fee....

I think it's that Spinner Chief does EVERYTHING the best spinner does for FREE. I don't think I'm going to cancel my subscription to TBS anytime soon, but if I HAD TO, I wouldn't think twice about it knowing that I can get the same functionality....albeit with an ugly as sin interface...from Spinner Chief.

I'm still trying to figure out how much the pro version is though....whenever I click the button in the app it doesn't open anything.

I was playing with spinner chief again tonight, and the interface really bugs me...don't know why, but it just does...it's just not very fluid if that makes any sense.

I'm watching videos now to try and figure out how to "replace everyones favorites" which is a feature I use often with TBS...but, can't fricken find it lol

If I can get the interface down and figure out how to navigate it quickly, I really think that this would be an awesome resource for me.

I have had the best spinner for the better part of a year and was/am happy with it. I also got spinner chief when it first came out but didn't make much use of it cos I was so used to the TBS interface and would get a brain-ache whenever I tried.

However, over the past couple of months I have been using SC a lot more as I got used to the interface. Admittedly, it ain't the prettiest but I think a lot of it is what you get used to first!

I have had the best spinner for the better part of a year and was/am happy with it. I also got spinner chief when it first came out but didn't make much use of it cos I was so used to the TBS interface and would get a brain-ache whenever I tried.

However, over the past couple of months I have been using SC a lot more as I got used to the interface. Admittedly, it ain't the prettiest but I think a lot of it is what you get used to first!

Did you figure out how to do a quick auto replace of everyones favorites? lol

Did you figure out how to do a quick auto replace of everyones favorites? lol

I haven't tested SC yet but this is what he said in another forum

You can do the same with SC. The synonyms are listed in order of popularity. So if you shoose 'spin orderly' when you spin, you will - in effect - be using everybody's favourites. BTW, indirectly, SC's thesaurus is generated by users too.

AJ - I want to spin "replacing everyones favorites" kind of thing and be able to export the spin syntax...

I'm the first to admit that I'm an idiot when it comes to technology so, I'm sure it's 'right there' I just can't find it...

Actually.....no it isn't. You can spin to {} format in the operations menu, but the spin gui is limited, and one of the things you can't do in that interface is select to spin orderly.

However, the good news is that we are upgrading the gui soon.

In the meantime, you can do it like this: Have your article in a text file somewhere, then use the batch spin feature. In the batch spin feature you have all of the settings - spin to {}, spin orderly etc. The outputted file will be sent to another folder and providing you have chosen the correct settings it will be in spintax format and it will have everybody's favorites. (i.e. the most popular synonyms)

Well no it doesn't actually. If you think there is a problem with SC GUI I think you could at least be specific, so that we have an opportunity to address the matter.

I guess it is just a "personal preference" type thing. I'm used to working with TBS, but from day one, i was able to quickly navigate just by mousing over the different buttons etc...reading what they did and then performing functions.

I'm going to watch the videos again the forum tonight and see if I can't get more comfortable with it.

EDIT: Just figured a couple of things out

Originally Posted by aj113

(You got the 'awesome resource' bit right. I don't see an article scrape facility, or a spun article similarity comparison check, or a reciprocal super replace system in TBS)

Nope, you are absolutely correct, 2 of those features are features that I REALLY LIKE...so, I want to "like" SC...hence the reason I'm asking questions, watching videos , and trying to figure it out.

Basically I put articles into spin text. As you can see there is no color coding (unlike TBS), I'm sure I've missed the setting somewhere. But as I then go through and edit, color coding the spin formatted text would be a God send.

I cant get a response from their support as the spinner chief email address is not contactable... it simply does not work on XP... tried a quick 4 sentences, 57 words, and a quick spin, just changed each synonym, and then hit Spin...

I am totally confused about this software. When I try to run the pro version, it tells me I can"t. And there is no place to upgrade the software to the pro version. Is the free version currently the pro version? I would like to try the pro version, but it is not clear to me how to obtain it. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks.

cyberslock - thanks for the straight answer. It is just hard to believer that a software like this will be free forever and I thought I had missed a reply, my question wasn't meant sarcastically. aj113, sorry if I offended you, you certainly know how to make potential customers comfortable asking questions.

cyberslock - thanks for the straight answer. It is just hard to believer that a software like this will be free forever and I thought I had missed a reply, my question wasn't meant sarcastically. aj113, sorry if I offended you, you certainly know how to make potential customers comfortable asking questions.

Hey I'm not offended. I was just highlighting the fact that your query has already been answered earlier in the thread.

Just to clarify - SpinnerChief will indeed be free forever but the PRO version is in beta and will therefore be chargeable at some point.

$100? I will say that the opinion of any software should NEVER be based on price, but on the value it brings to your business. If SC Pro brings value to your business in the form of saved time and work, then the $100 cost should not enter into the equation at all.

$100? I will say that the opinion of any software should NEVER be based on price, but on the value it brings to your business. If SC Pro brings value to your business in the form of saved time and work, then the $100 cost should not enter into the equation at all.

I agree wholeheartedly, but many of the comments within this thread were based upon SC being free. I am interested to see how many have "jumped ship" now that SC is a paid product.

I can only talk about TBS, as when I tried to download SC it asked me for the "partner" link, which was more work than I wanted to do for to trial a free product.

Seeing as one of the co-creators (or at least related to the product) is in this thread; why go for a partner system rather than say a 7-day trial without any upgrade-to-pro popups, then the occasional easily closed popup thereafter?

Traffic Travis does this and it's never put me off or annoyed me, I would assume that as both your services have a freemium model (correct?) that getting the FREE part distributed as far and wide as possible would be in your best interests, right?

Anyway, I have no other software usage to compare against, but TBS has been a fantastic spinning program. Spinning at the word/sentence/paragraph level's are all super easy, you can protect your keywords from being spun via a whitelist, you can mass output spun versions of your text, the dictionary is constantly updated...

I have had a few VERY frustrating crashes with it however... I'm on Windows 7 32bit so there might be problem with my setup locally, a bug with Win7-32bit OR perhaps a problem overall. I haven't had a crash in a while however, so it's possible if there was a problem, it was fixed (all of the crash issues were very subjective, so please don't take it as an attack on the software).

At some point I'll try out a bunch of others, but for now I've got absolutely no reason to as TBS absolutely fulfils my needs as a spinner.

I can only talk about TBS, as when I tried to download SC it asked me for the "partner" link, which was more work than I wanted to do for to trial a free product.

Again for clarification: SpinnerChief is free, but it is not a trial, it is not limited in any way. It is fully operational, and a genuine alternative to TBS.

Neither does it ask for a partner link when downloading. It is true that all downloads must be made through a partner link, but I am struggling to understand why this a problem.

Seeing as one of the co-creators (or at least related to the product) is in this thread; why go for a partner system rather than say a 7-day trial without any upgrade-to-pro popups, then the occasional easily closed popup thereafter?

As I stated earlier, there is no trial, because the product is 100% free. Neither are there any pop-ups at any time. Once again, I am not sure exactly why you have a problem with it.

To download and install SpinnerChief you simply click on the link, download, unzip and install. I don't think we could make it any simpler than that.

Hey AJ what does SCPro do that TBS/reg. SC do not? Been out of the loop a bit, but like to keep on top of this jazz..anything to make work quicker.

Project create/save/load. Save all of the SpinnerChief feature settings as a project - load the project thesaurus automatically. No more having to go through all the settings and set them to your preferences before you start to work - load up your project and you're away! Article scrape.Choose any one of our carefully selected sources and scrape articles based on your keywords, then import them straight in to SpinnerChief ready to start spinning! Copyscape plugin. Enter your Copyscape ID and api and check any article straight from SpinnerChief. Content Hurricane plugin. This awesome tool (see contenthurricane.com) is now integrated as a plugin for SpinnerChief PRO! Html Spin. Import full web pages, protect html code when you spin, easily edit the html code, add and spin images - great for creating simple spun web pages and blog posts. SEO Writing. Keyword Density Count - check the density of your project keywords, and add any more keywords that you want to check. Batch add hyperlink. Highlight a bunch of selected words in your article, and make them all anchortext for any url - great for generating powerful backlinks. Import variables from csv files. in SpinnerChief PRO you can now import sequentially instead of randomly. Swap paragraph. Easily swap paragraphs when you spin to make your articles more unique. Free update forever. We update our software often and you can always get the newest version by using the auto-update.

I'd really like to try this product out, but the need to download it via an affiliate link is causing me problems.

I have tried almost all the affilaite links in the relevant thread on the SC forum and most of them just hang on a blank page. The few that do open a web page of any kind result in a page of Mandarin Chinese (literally!)

Something isn't quite right, clearly.

If someone can PM me a working link I'd love to give this software a look.

I'd really like to try this product out, but the need to download it via an affiliate link is causing me problems.

I have tried almost all the affilaite links in the relevant thread on the SC forum and most of them just hang on a blank page. The few that do open a web page of any kind result in a page of Mandarin Chinese (literally!)

Something isn't quite right, clearly.

If someone can PM me a working link I'd love to give this software a look.

Martin

Just wanted to say Martin has a working link and is now merrily spinning away.

We tried TBS back in January. It's a good program, occasionally a little buggy, but works well overall. Then we tried SC and never looked back. For what we use it for, which is word level spinning, it's fast and free. Why would I pay $77/yr for something I can get for free? Seems like a no-brainer and I haven't really seen anyone put together a coherent thought about why TBS is better and/or worth the money. A yearly fee for that seems like price gouging when it could easily just load the synonym database is already has one time and never need to be loaded again.

Only annoyance with SC right now is the little boxes that pop up when you hover over a synonym. They prevent me from clicking the word unless I move my cursor away from them. Hopefully that is removed eventually.

I did try out a couple of article spinners, one was Spinner Chief. I just cannot see that any of them produce a quality product. There is still a great deal of re-writing that needs to be done. So much so that I found it much easier to just re-write the article.
I do not see these as that much of a time saver. I guess I am just picky about my writing.

I did try out a couple of article spinners, one was Spinner Chief. I just cannot see that any of them produce a quality product. There is still a great deal of re-writing that needs to be done. So much so that I found it much easier to just re-write the article.
I do not see these as that much of a time saver. I guess I am just picky about my writing.

I did try out a couple of article spinners, one was Spinner Chief. I just cannot see that any of them produce a quality product. There is still a great deal of re-writing that needs to be done. So much so that I found it much easier to just re-write the article.
I do not see these as that much of a time saver. I guess I am just picky about my writing.

I see that you have the API for developers, but I still have yet to come across a WP plugin that uses SpinnerChief API. Perhaps you can link us to some developers?

Well, the general idea when a public api becomes available is for users of software to contact the developers and request inclusion of the api.

We have contacted many developers and indeed some have now included the SC api but in general, developers will not add an api unless they believe their users actually want it. Hence the users themselves usually have to play some part in the process by making specific requests for the api's inclusion.

If you're spinning multiple copies form one original article, I'm sure your clients won't be happy that you can't verify their uniqueness from each other. Only SpinnerChief can perform that check.

The Best Spinner is quite capable of that.

Watch this (silent) video showing The Best Spinner 3.0's article comparison functionality. I just threw the video together real quick to show that TBS3 can generate spins and compare them to each other, as well as allowing you to compare any two articles together. In addition, it also highlights the duplicated text in each spin so you can see where the text is the same:

Watch this (silent) video showing The Best Spinner 3.0's article comparison functionality. I just threw the video together real quick to show that TBS3 can generate spins and compare them to each other, as well as allowing you to compare any two articles together. In addition, it also highlights the duplicated text in each spin so you can see where the text is the same:

OK so let me get this right - if you want to compare for example 100 articles spun from the same seed, you have to individually check each article that does not meet your required percentage and edit it?

I purchased this thing and frankly it's been a nightmare to me. Today I noticed that after I finished spinning an article it is not indicating the % of spinning in the bottom of the screen as it used to do. Then to the right it says 1 error(s) but could not find a way to find out what that error is....if there is really any.
There's no training whatsoever, despite I complaint almost every day about that and from support I only get ridiculous messages saying "buddy, training videos are coming next week" and it or they never get published. There are no tool tips like in any software making even more difficult to get how the software works.
Support is super fast, 24 hours...if they feel like I deserve an answer!!
First time in my life experiencing something like this, time to move on!!
Stay away from this.

19) Powerful "Turbo-Aff" affiliate system. Join free and program SpinnercHief to display your splash page and banner ads to all of your downline users. All downline user cookies are hard-coded so you can never 'lose' them, whicj means that whenever they go for a paid option, YOU get the commission.

20) Reciprocal Super Replace system for lightening fast rewrites

21) Get keyword and LSI synonyms straight form the Google Adwords Tool

Your 2nd point is wrong. Your free version doesn't have all the functions. We have to pay $97 which is more than double the amount of the best spinner.

My 2nd point is right. There is very little that TBS can do that SC FREE version can't do.

Also you got it wrong in the the spin wizard.

No I didn't. I didn't even mention spinwizard.

Big problem is that SC Api is not used as extensively as TBS. Do you have your api support in : senuke x, iautoblog, seo link robot, article marketing robot, linkamotion etc? These are the software that are used by most of the article marketers in day to day activities.

The SC api has been released about 3 weeks. If users want it in their software, developers will add it. After all, it's free - who wants to pay an additional $47 on top of the pruchase price of the original software?

There is a good affiliate system for the best spinner too with paydotcom.com

Right, and you can program TBS to display your splash page and banners to your users can you? And the affiliate cookies are hard-coded so that hey can't get 'lost', yes?

TBS has the editing option when using "bulk and compare" option.

I'll take that as an agreement that each article must be editied individually - unless you're going to tell me different.

Of course TBS has an equivalent feature of super replace.

What is called, where is it on the menu please?

Also has word functions like cut/copy/paste/find/replace/spell check/font/size/colors/undo/redo

You mean Windows standard features that all software including SpinnerChief has?

TBS also has remove original word feature.

So does SC.

See I am not saying TBS is good or bad incomparison to TBS, I have tested tbs and the free version of SC. I found SC better. That's it. I seriously considered buying TBS (actually I did ) but $47 figure put me away and i got into SC for $0 - i.e. FREE.

Please include free copyscape alternative in the free version, remove all ads from the free version, remove that 10 days login rule, contact all the developers of the softwares to use your api, create an online version of SC (just like spin wizard -(tbs) or content professor) , give your online cloud theasarus free, video & image scrape function in free version, article scrape in free version, project function, seo task , batch hyperlink in the free version, content hurricane plugin, swap paragraphs and i will start using your free SC version. I will also thank you for including all the features in the free function and i will happily agree that your software is better.

So basically you want us to take all of the (paid) features in SC that are NOT in TBS, and then add them to the free version? That is clearly unreasonable, and it would make no difference to you anyway, as the free version already has many features that TBS does not have, and you are STILL not satisfied!

Why don't you compare like for like, as I did above?

Affiliate program is not a feature.

Semantics. Of course it's a feature when it is unique, and an integral part of the program itself.

It doesn't help users like me and many others who are not in IM niche.

So because it doesn't help YOU, you think other people will not be interested? This is an IM forum in case you hadn't noticed.

Also anyone can become affiliate of any product. They don't need to buy the product.

You are conveniently missing the point. When you become an affiliate of SC you can program the software itself to display your advertising to your downline. Now show me anyone who can do that with any product. (and don't forget those hard-coded affiliate cookies - very important to affiliate marketers.)

How many times do i need to repeat this to you :
1) Free Copyscape alternative is there in tbs
2) The Spin wizard (fully fledged online spinner) is there in tbs. This function is not there even in your pro/elite version.

TBS has done a very nice job with The Spin Wizard, and I used it a couple of times.
- It doesn't automatically save. If you didn't complete the section you're working on when the doorbell rang, you will probably come back to find the host has given up on you and gone on to other users. This might be a big problem, depending on how disciplined you are and how fast you are.
- I can do the same thing using TBS or SC without the bother of the online interface. It's a bit different mindset, but it works fine for me.

3) Article Scrape function is there in tbs

Are you referring to TBS's Article Directory? That's really weak compared to the article scraper function in SC Pro. But better than what you get in the freebie SC, I guess.

4) Project function is there in tbs
4) Tip Builder is there if you donate small amount for noble cause
5) There are no spammy ads.
6) There is no 10 days login rule

10 day login rule? What's that?

7) Image/video scrape is requested feature...
and on..and..on

SC Image & video work OK, but I haven't broken the habits of using Google and other mechanisms outside TBS & SC. Just personal preference.

Almost each and every function of your free and pro is there in tbs. That's why i said that if you want me to agree that your free version of SC is better then tbs, then please include all the pro functions of SC in free version of SC.

Semantics. Of course it's a feature when it is unique, and an integral part of the program itself. So because it doesn't help YOU, you think other people will not be interested? This is an IM forum in case you hadn't noticed.
You are still not understanding my point. Affiliate program is different thing. I can buy tbs and still join your affiliate program or i can buy SC and join tbs affiliate program.
It is not a feature. Anyone can join affiliate program and take the advantage.

You are conveniently missing the point. When you become an affiliate of SC you can program the software itself to display your advertising to your downline. Now show me anyone who can do that with any product. (and don't forget those hard-coded affiliate cookies - very important to affiliate marketers.)
You should list all of this point in the affiliate database ad in this section. You should tell this features to those people who are thinking of promoting a spinner software affiliate program

A spinner is pretty much all about the interface and the thesaurus. TBS is prettier than SC, but I'm beginning to learn how to use SC.
I like both products, but I've pretty much switched from TBS to SC.

I don't actively promote IM/SEO products. But I'd appreciate if you clicked the link in my Sig.

Well,try to keep it to low numbers because i'm sure people must be tired of it by now.

1) Free Copyscape alternative is there in tbs

Coming next week in SC

2) The Spin wizard (fully fledged online spinner) is there in tbs. This function is not there even in your pro/elite version.

In our view its unnecessary, however if any users request it on reasonable grounds we will add it.

3) Article Scrape function is there in tbs

Lol - you mean that sparse TBS article directory?

4) Project function is there in tbs

Project function is there in SC

4) Tip Builder is there if you donate small amount for noble cause

Tip Builder is there if you donate small amount for noble cause - us.

5) There are no spammy ads.

You can turn off advertising in any paid version of SC.

6) There is no 10 days login rule

Lol - that's because you have to log in EVERY time you use TBS. You only have to log in once in 10 days with SC free version to free up another 10 days of OFFLINE use.

7) Image/video scrape is requested feature...

So what? That means NOTHING!

and on..and..on

...you got that part right!

Almost each and every function of your free and pro is there in tbs.

So when you say 'almost' you agree that SC has features and functions that TBS does not, right?

That's why i said that if you want me to agree that your free version of SC is better then tbs, then please include all the pro functions of SC in free version of SC.

It makes no difference to me what you agree mate, I am just interested in a fair presentation of the facts. I'm sure people can decide for themselves which software they prefer. They can certainly decide easily wirth SC because all versions have a FREE 3 day trial....Oh, is that yet ANOTHER feature of SC that TBS does not have?

It is not a feature. Anyone can join affiliate program and take the advantage.

OK, join the TBS affiliate program, get your TBS affiliate link, and use it to program TBS to display your splash page and advertising banners.

You should list all of this point in the affiliate database ad in this section. You should tell this features to those people who are thinking of promoting a spinner software affiliate program

Yeah, thanks for the advice, I'll continue to list it here if its all the same to you, bearing in mind it's a powerful feature of SC, and this a thread comparing SC to TBS.

Lets compare apples to apples. Spinner Chief Elite is a much better investment than TBS. Even if you get TBS for $47 for the first year, you will wind up paying $77 a year thereafter. Why pay $201 for only three years of use when you can buy a lifetime SC Elite license for $197?

The SC Miracle Thesaurus with copyscape pass function is worth more than the OTC.

You said you have 20000 users. You said the WSO price for the tips plugin is $19 for first 100 buyers. So out of 20000 users not even 100 have purchased the tips plugin or you have listed a false scarcity in the sales page.

You missed out a third possibility - out of the goodness of our hearts, we waived the ruling, and made the TIPS plugin a flat $19 for all buyers - but thanks for advertising the plugin for us, very thoughtful.

Also i see this at your content hurricane website :

"We all know about the search engine duplicate content penalty, if your blog or website has content that exists elsewhere on the internet, your search engine rankings are likely to suffer."

I am sorry but you don't know what duplicate content penalty is. Duplicate content penalty is given to a website when it has duplicate content on its own domain. It is not given if you or any other webmaster syndicate your content. Ask any article marketing expert like tpw, alexa smith, x3xsoldierx3x, etc..and they will definitely agree with me.

Wow that must make you feel really good then.

Call it whatever you like, dress it up in semantics if you must, but the fact is this: Do a search for anything you like in Google, you will not see 2 pages with the same content on the first page of the SERPS. That is the point.

From your post, I believe that it is not a contest between paying $77 a year for a product, when I can get SC for free or the Pro version for a one-time fee of $97. To me, this is a no-brainier.

SC does more for free than other paid programs and improves every week.

I have studies their forum, learning to use SpinnerChief. It is full of information and videos.

Their stated goal is to have the best spinner and always a FREE version.

And SC updates it's self automatic.

I use SC to write and spin five articles or more a day for my businesses.

One feature I like about SC is the 'Quick Sentence Rewriting' which as I write the second version, phrase by phrase, sets up the second level spinning without me worrying about the spintax being correct.

This not only increases my speed but I don't have to worry about making a spintax mistake.

Simple question. Which one allows me to use the program from the web? The reason I'm asking is because I want to work on some articles while I'm at my 9-5. Of course using the actual program on my work computer is a no go. So I need to use it from the web. Is this what "The Spin Wizard" is?

You can use either of them from the web without the need for a web-based application. Simply use Teamviewer to access your computer desktop at home.

I can't use Teamviewer either. That is an application that I would need to install on my work pc. Like I said... installing programs is not an option. So back to the question. Is "The Spin Wizard" what I'm looking for?

I looked at Content Hurricane and cannot understand why anyone would mess with a spinner if they had it. Would you please PM me and explain any ramifications of using it.

This could be construed as off-topic as this thred is supposed to be TBS v SC but as SC has a Content Hurricane plugin I guess it's ok.

It's not for me to comment on the ramifications of using Content Hurricane. Like all marketing software, the user should be aware of potential problems arising from utilising the output of the software.

However, I think it is reasonably fair to say that the reason people may choose to use a spinner over Content Hurricane is when they are not using the software for website content. e.g. - for article spinning and consequent submission to article directories.

I do not get involved in SEO for my online income, but if I did, I would use Content Hurricane every time. As far as we are aware, there is not one single reported case on the net of negative consequences when publishing CH output. I will - of course - stand corrected if necessary.

Where is the link for the one time fee for tbs... I like sc as well but I wouldnt mind having both. What I like about sc is that it offers spin titles and video scape not sure if tbs offers that. Also how many article directories can you submit to so we can get backlinks through tbs and sc elite...