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Over 2,000 Toyota Owners can't be wrong and shouldn't be ignored by Toyota Corporate, but still we wait. The comments below show that even long-standing Toyota owners are unhappy with the loss of the Override. In fact,here's how those who sign up have voted "how much does this bother you"so far:
1. Not at all-------------------------------18 Could it be that Toyota dealers registered?
2. A Minor annoyance------------------- 8 (very medicated) people.
3. Don't like it--------------------------89 very tolerant people
4. It really bothers me----------------1201 honest, upset people
5. Would not have bought if I knew---1232 folks who steer friends and family away from Toyota.

Before you buy a Toyota, consider that existing Toyota owners are unhappy because:
1. The Navigation maps are outdated
2. The directions given are too frequently wrong.
3. The Voice recognition is a joke compared with the competition.4. Salespeople mislead prospective buyers about these limitations.
5. Toyota denies there is a problem and refuses to acknowledge customer dissatisfaction or provide any redress.

If you have a comment and own a Toyota, pleasesign up here!(Editor comments in Green and emphasis in red. )

The GPS absolutely sucks and the lack of an override makes me curse it every time I try and use it. Toyota - please fix this! -K.N.

Toyota Avensis 2007: One of the features which appealed to me when I purchased the car was the built in nav system because it would negate the need for me to use my TomTom. When my wife, sitting in the passenger seat, encountered a problem trying to input a route into the system I initially assumed operator error. I now find it extremely annoying that someone else has determined how I should be able to use a product which I have purchased, I appreciate that the decision was taken with best intentions but Toyota should also respect the rights of the vehicle owner and allow us to decide whether we will allow our passenger to assist with navigation, instead I now have to use a 3rd party navigation aid (fortunately I retained my TomTom), although this is marginally better than having to rely on my wife's (lack of..) map reading skills, or I have to constantly stop at inappropriate places in order to update the built-in device. I guess it's only a matter of time before Toyota decide that we shouldn't be able to adjust the radio station or volume whilst moving, or maybe open a window, or adjust the heating control ....-A.

Paid $1500 for my Solara nav system that doesn't come close to performing as well as the $125 dash top Garmin that I use in its place. Useless. -L.R.

It has all been said so very well before, especially the moronic lack of logic that a vehicle that knows there is a front passenger will not allow that person to program the GPS and that Toyota thinks panning the map push by push is safer than a one-button previous desitination selection. It is more dangerous with the lockouts that force me to pull off the road to program a change in destination. I will not buy a Toyota again because of this. And no, I was not told about this by any sales person. In my opinion, it is a material fradulent omission that borders on criminal conduct. -T.P.

Ridiculous P.Y.

Wow....glad I saw this BEFORE I bought the 2011 Venza that we've been pricing. Saved me from making a MAJOR mistake.....Toyota just lost my business....and I was just ready to leave Honda and give them a try....Oh well....toyota's loss....not mine.-D.N.

Bothersome intrusion of the legal people. -B.K.

Not being able to use the nav system while driving is a good option, however, as an adult, I should be able to override this. -R.H.

The navigation is horrible, it gets lost and you cannot override it -J.R.

If I have to buy an after-market radio to solve this problem, I will not buy another Toyota ever! This can easily be solved in the loading.kwi file of your next DVD release! -N.J.

I have a 2008 Toyota Tundra, and was debating between this and a Ford F150, I am a sales rep and drive approximately 35k-40k and have been rear ended once in the break down lane inputting GPS information. I was specifically told by the dealer it was factory set one way but could be changed and when I brought it back for the inspection sticker they told me could not and I was also past my three days allowed in this state to return. –B.D.

Bought a 2010 Prius with navigation because that is the ONLY way you can get the large backup screen. Not only does it not let you use it when you are moving, but it is so out-of-date. Two strikes against the navi. –S.S.

The navigation system in my 2010 Venza does not recognize many common words, names etc. It does not find ten year old cities and stores when searching for POI's. We are very disappointed. they should come out with a FREE upgrade that fixes the problems discussed in this webpage. When Apple or Microsoft run out a new gadget they have problems, but those companies put out free fixes as soon as possible so that people can download. This needs action by Toyota in order to prevent further damage to its reputation. I guess now I know one reason their stocks have yet to recover, lousy customer relations. Ill be selling my shares tommorrow. –J.S.

I have a 2007 Camry Hybrid. In the past, I've owned a Creseda and a Supra. I have used GPS nav aids for over 10 years and was completely surprised when I discovered how Toyota has turned what could be a wonderful tool into a useless "throwaway" system. This problem causes me to not use the car's nav system when it would be most valuable. I volunteer for "Meals on Wheels", and deliver up to 20 meals a day. Since I "fill-in" for other absent volunteers, I don't drive the same route each time. Quickly finding a client's location is very important so that all the meals can be delivered hot and on time. Stopping the vehicle each time my passenger/helper needs to input a new, or find our next destination is a real problem. It became so troublesome that we have just quit using the car's nav system except in very rare circumstances. On long trips (300-500 miles) the system is ok for getting to the final destination, but useless for in-route stops (food,restroom, gas, etc.). I use my Magellan or Garmin GPS units for these needs. I'll not waste any more $ on Toyota. Other auto brands have not destroyed their own product and shown so little regard for their own customer as Toyota has. –D.F.

Really disappointed that a luxury/expensive vehicle with a navigation system as part of its sales pitch does not deliver on its promise. What a waste! –F.R.

I own 2 toyota vehicles and 1 with the manufacturers navigation. This feature is a massive waste of money and I will never buy another Toyota as long as this override is removed. I want it restored NOW. This is outrageous and can certainly be managed with an on screen disclaimer just like Garmin and Magellan do. –M.T.

No Toyota Models? I have a Camry XLE V6 –D.B. (Ed: Fixed, thank you!)

i need assistance in dowloading navigation dvd for my toyota. the one i have is in japan language –N.N.

Dealers never tell you while selling the car about this override issue.. ...really disappointed to know that u need to pull out from traffic to handle ur car....sucks big time....Toyota shud be ashamed... –V.R.

I do not need a liability notice and release each time I operate the vehicle. The navigation system is worthless when traveling down the road with a passenger and are looking for gas, food, etc. –B.B.

I ended up buying a Garmin I place on the dash of the car. –K.N.

Phone system is crap. It keeps losing bluetooth constantly. My phone shows it as connected, but the system does not recognize it. Then it connect for a minute and then disconnect again. It does this consistently. The voice recognition is toally useless. I can say 'Charles' and it comes up as 'John'. –C.M.

I hate that I must stop to use Navi. –R. M.

A pity. After always believing in Toyota we have come to a cross road. It is already to late. I am looking to offload my prado 2010 vx with no intention of going back. When sales drop by 20% in the next 18 months once the deceit spread by Toyota sales has been found out, it will be too late. How the mighty will fall, you can see it, why can't they? –D.W.

Nav system on 2010 4runner Trail sucks. I use a garmin nuvi instead. Map inferior for not showing major roads and dropping roads as you decrease size of map, dirrections given are wrong in exampel tells you you are on your own in getting to the postoffice in Cody Wy and much more. cannot input while moving. locating addresses unacceptable. worse than any "handheld GPS/nav" I've ever owned. Took it back to two toyota dealers and they agree with me that its a terrible system! but will do nothing. Never buy the Nav system and just buy a $300.00 Nuvi –R. C.

Toyota should be ashamed to sell such a product –F. H.

It's stupid that I can not change input while driving. I could have bought a TomTom for a lot less and be able to make changes. –R. M.

I actually have a Toyota Highlander Hybrid and my husband has an Acura RL. I take the Acura on long trips and leave my husband with my car specifically because of the navigation weirdness that is the Toyota system. I am updating my husbands Navi system for 150.00. This Toyota system is horrible. If I had known that it wouldn't work while driving I would have purchased a different car. It was so frustrating and very dangerous when my daughter and I were looking at colleges and getting lost because the Navigation system was totally wrong. We ended up in some frightening neighborhoods in the Bronx and in Philadelphia. When I told people the directions from the system they were blown away by how bad they were. In one instance the system added 12 more miles than necessary. If you have to make a sudden detour or change the route it gets very complicated. I HATE this system. –E. K.

It's my vehicle and I have the right to determine whether or not my GPS should operate while moving. I assumed it was my choice. –T.S.

Toyota should remove their nav systems all together and provide a built-in mount for aftermarket GPS systems (e.g. Garmin). It will satisfy their legal insanity and create a useful spot on the dashboard since a nav system that can't be used in a car while it's moving is essentially a waste of space. –A.M.

Bought a 2010 Sienna and just discovered this 'feature'. Completely ridiculous, annoying, and dangerous as indicated in all the comments here. –A.D.

I just purchased a 2011 Camry Hybrid and was SO excited until I realized the nav system is ARCHAIC!!! No only can you not use the directional system while moving (what's the point to having a nav system then???), directions are almost always wrong and it doesn't even know what road I am on half the time. What is the deal? I own two Honda's and their nav system is so far above this one that it is almost laughable. What is Toyota thinking? The technology is out there, why not use it? I am shocked that the Toyota nav system is so useless. I would not have purchased the car if I had know. It drives me crazy on a daily basis, and I spend a lot of time in my vehicle commuting and driving to vacation destinations. So sad..... –D.C.

This is a ridiculous situation. I've been using GPS navigation systems for many years and this is the only system I have encountered that does this. It is extremely inconvenient to have my wife unable to use the navigation controls while I am driving. I will not purchase another Toyota product if this is not corrected. My Audi warns me, but then works perfectly. I don't know what you are thinking with such a blatantly anti-customer restriction. Kevin Smith –K.S.

Stop locking me out of having my wife change change my gps while i am driving or i'll lock you out of my next purchase....Fix it now! –D.K.

unfathomable that one can't operate the navigation while the car is in motion, did toyota ever consider the passenger in the car as perfectly capable of operating the system while driving, unbelievable, bought a tundra and sequoia, my first and last toyota purchases –C.B.

Navigation system has outdated or incomplete information in it needs update –D.M.

I have a 2008 Toyota Sienna. If I knew that I would not be able to access necessary nav features while driving, I would not have bought the nav system. I would have purchassed a garmin or the like. –L.S.

I never would have bought the 2010 Prius with a navigation system if I had known it would be unusable while moving. I'll have to buy a Garmin to get a usable navigation system. I understand Toyota's position, but if there is a passenger in the car there should be a way to override the interlock. –J.H.

It is ridiculus that I cannot have a passenger enter navigation information or that I can't see text messages from the radio stations that I am listening to which identify artist and song. Heck even my TOYOTA Seinna does the later. –K.T.

I find it very inconvenient and will end up using a garmin instead. –B.L.

Toyota Prius navigation is useless, if you can't use it when driving. –B.P.

The navigation system seems to run on faulty logic. Although all of the streets are present on the map, and the system seems to know where it is based on GPS data, it is unable to use that data to provide turn by turn directions. Nevertheless it can tell you when it arrives at the planned address, suggesting (as noted above) it is using GPS data to know where it is. It also has no problems sending you 5 miles in the wrong direction and expecting you to be happy to make a U-turn to get back according to its instructions. In a major city such as Seattle, it seems to do okay, although it takes a long time to orient itself. In a smaller city such as the one I live in, even though the address I am seeking is on the road that has been in existence for 20 years, the system is unable to provide turn by turn instructions. My portable Garman has no such limitations, and considering the $1800 I spent for the combination navigation system and backup camera, the camera system must be exceedingly expensive, as the GPS system certainly isn't worth more than 50 or $100 if that much. –C.T.

We use the override feature on the Navigation system when traveling and only when there are two people in the car -- a Passenger to interact with the Navigation system while the Driver devotes full attention to driving. We value the override feature when used in this very safe manner. We would like to update the Navigation DVD, but we will not do so, if it means losing this valuable override capability. –J.M.

It is a terrible system without the override. The (need for the) override makes it worse. –J.L.

The dealer lied, I asked about both the nav system and the integration of the phone and neither GPS or Phone work as defined. I find it totally unacceptable that you have to pull over to input a destination or adding a phone number 1 at a time in a most time consuming manner. My 2009 Avalon was just hit while parked by a dump truck. If the insurance company gives enough the Toyota is gone and it will be replaced by a car built by a company that understands what HMI (Ed: Human Machine Interface) means. –T.G.

I want to use my system while in motion. Would not have bought it if I knew. It is not against the law so why prevent us from using nav in motion -S.C.

I am shocked by this and find it completely unacceptable. –D.L.

camry has a useless GPS -A.B.

They lied by omission -J.M.

Dont want to stop every time my passenger or I want to enter a destination. I think it is extremely dangerous pulling over on the side of a busy road or in a dark abandoned road -L.D.

Passengers can't input info either. how disappointing! -M.P.

Will consider another vehicle that does not have the override issue upon next purchase -K.B.

I have been a loyal Toyota customer for over 15 years. I was not happy when I realized that there was no override for the Nav. system. At the very least you should have considered an override triggered by the front passenger seat. My son purchased a Honda around the same time and it is a pleasure to use his vehicle on trips. Please inform me considering any possible changes that might be in the works. We now carry a Garmin with us on trips. What a waste of money. This will affect my consideration of any future purchases. –T.B.

When we travel we are on interstate for hours...no time to stop just to play with the nav buttons. On the road the passenger is helpless in our 2010 Venza in being able to conveniently find via points with this piece of crap. It's actually a bigger distraction to change the POI's, zoom out to search, zoom in to display POI's...it's idiotic. The inexpensive Garmin we use in our Ford is so much more intuitive by comparison and doesn't lock you out of any functions while moving. Apparently Toyota doesn't think their customers have enough sense to ignore the nav whenever it would be an unsafe to use. –P.S.

2008 Camry Hybrid - great car but the nav system is so bad that i would not have purchased car if i had known. –S.S.

l've got a 2008 es350 and it bothers me that the navigation does not recognize voice commands, specifically streets! It is amazing after riding in my father in laws Dodge Ram pickup with navigation how easy his works and how well the voice commands recognize his voice. Funny that the $46,000 car I have, that rides like a dream, has primative electronics like this for the lexus label. I believe that the garmin navigations are better than the gps system in the lexus. –S.M.

The navigation system is the worst in the class. The number one issue...I can not use anything while driving. It is also complicated with a lot of sub menus. The voice guidance is not intuitive and is not accurate. I would not buy another Toyota as long as the lock out policy is in place. –L.D.

OUR NAVIGATION SYSTEM IS TOTALLY WORTHLESS. THE LIST PRICE FOR THE 'EXTRAS' WE HAD TO PURCHASE TO GET A NAVIGATION SYSTEM WAS ALMOST $8000. WOULD I EVER BUY ANOTHER TOYOTA? YOU GUESS. THE COMPANY OFFERED US MONEY TO BUY A TOM-TOM. IF WE WANTED TO SETTLE FOR A PORTABLE GPS WE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE AND SAVED THE MONEY ON THE $8000 UP FRONT. –G.G.

Bought a 2010 avalon and was unaware of the navigation problem. Never dreamed that the system couldn't at least perform at the level of my $250.00 garmin. –K.K.

I have a 2010 toyota venza. If i knew about this I would have not purchase it! -E.H.

Preventing the passenger in a moving car from using the navigation system and also from reading radio station messages, with no way to opt-out is extremely poor thinking on Toyota's part. I absolutely regret purchasing my Prius and I tell people so, even ones who are not in the market for a car. I look forward to a well-publicized "defective by design" class action lawsuit. –M.L.

I think it is extremely dangerous the way it is - have to stop to enter a address or POI -D.E.

Spend almost 50 K on a Tundra Crew Max and I must pull over to do anything Will never buy another toyota till they make this right -J.D.

I've complained numerous times but they've stopped responding. L once stood for cLass but it's LOSER seems more appropriate! My wife (read PASSENGER) uses my iPhone for navigation LOL. I will never buy another Toyota product again, and I've had a few, UNLESS they activate the locked features. I'll give them a year. After that, good riddance! It sounds petty, but I cannot STAND it! The VR is brutal and pulling over is akin to having to wind up your car 80 years ago. –J.G.

Having to listen to the instructions first and having such a limited selection renders the system nearly useless. BTW, I don't have a Luxury Hybrid, I have a Camry Hybrid and I'd buy the Ford Fusion instead -D.J.

Passenger should be able to use the navigation when car is moving. I would agree if navigation is disabled when no-one sits on the passager seat. –M.K.

Its Crazy. It would be ok if they left the "I agree" irratant that I have to press everytime I start my car informing me of the dangers of using the navigation while driving. But to make me "agree" everytime and then be able to use the navigation is ridiculous -G.B.

I can not navigate from the passenger seat while my wife is safely driving the vehicle. –B.B.

The inconvenience, not to mention the safety concerns of stopping along the highway to use the GPS is reason enough for me not to have purchased a brand new 2010 Toyota Highlander Limited Editon. My wife is my co-pilot/navigator and to not allow its use is a major safety concern that I will take legal action if we are involved in an accident because of stopping to use. –W.H.

I have used a Gamin GPS for three years. I recently purchased a 2008 RX 350 with navigation and it is almost useless because I cannot change destinations or search for a rest stop while driving. I do a lot of Interstate driving and pulling over to change a destination is far to risky. VR on this unit is pathetic. I think I will be using my Garmin rather than my Lexus Navigation. I plan to voice my complaint until I have a solution. –E.P.

I cannot believe that I was not told that the navigation system does not work when the car is moving (especially when someone is in the passengers seat). I expect a recall to fix this problem or the ability to return my 2010 ES-350 for a full refund. This is no different than buying a car only to find out later that you cannot change the radio station while you are driving or the temperature, or the CD player will not accept disks while the car is moving. This is completely ridiculous and the fact that no one told us about this is criminal. –A.S.

Toyota Sequoia - navigation system really is worthless. Would have considered different vehicle if I would have known. You expect better from a higher end vehicle. –A.H.

I have a 2010 Toyota Tundra Platinum -J.L.

I frequently drive while my husband does the navigating. He can't do that unless I pull over! Ridiculous!!!!!!!! This is particularly troublesome when we are traveling and want to find a POI, or a restaurant close by. Why does Toyota assume that there is only one person in the car at a time??????? -A.W.

Seriously ridiculous! -T.R.

2010 Toyota Highlander (Limited). Navigation is inferior to our Garmin nuvi 750 in many ways. Why stop to change destination if I have a co-pilot? Why the low resolution? Why can't I update from Google maps or enter personal points of interest from the web? UNLOCK Toyota navigation systems, PLEASE! –P.J.

sent to me wiring instruction for Toyota Noah radio with Navigation system and instruction manual -N.M.

vehicle is an 08 sequoia with fact nav. Its junk!! Got me lost in portsmouth va and had me going in circles. fortunately i had my tom tom to rescue me. Nav is pure crap, and useless in any functional way. would not have paid for it if aware of this, and I do think anyone that did pay should be refunded!! -J.M.

Toyota does not know better than I do what is safe in the conditions I drive. It is infuriating that the passenger can not operate the NAV system while the vehicle is moving. I hate the arrogant Toyota engineer who's ass-covering is ruining my use of the system. –J.R.

It sucks. It is not against the law to change your NAV while moving so why does Toyota want to run my or my passengers life? No one told me of this limitation prior to purchasing the car. –S.C.

Let us decide whether to use our navigation systems while driving. It is not against the law and we have a right to be able to use what we have paid for. The voice system is faulty, and often does not understand what is being said. How many times must we repeat something to a computer. It is ludicrous to think that Toyota/Lexus would think they know best for every situation that arises. Let us have the choice. –W.M.

I just purchased my 2011 camry xle. The dealer told me how wonderful the nav was to find restaurants and banks on the move however, when I tried it I could not find anything while moving. Dumb Dumb Dumb -S.C.

My $99 Garmen GPS works better. –D.S.

Car I own is Toyota Sienna Limited This navigation system is very annoying an I considered using portible device when I travel -M.R.

What I do not understand is why the nav system cannot, at the very least, be tied into the passenger airbag sensor where a passenger can operate the system. It becomes useless, and completely unsafe, if I have to pull over to use it. Let me be a responsible adult and someone who is responsible for their own decisions and actions. Class action might be the only way to wake them up. –D.S.

I never would have dreamed the Nav system would not work while driving. If I had known that I would never have bought that option with the car. I was never advised about this by my dealer. –B.A.

Toyota needs to make good on this and reimburse all owners for the cost of the system. –D.M.

This site is rediculous. You're clearly an idiot. I own a 2007 Tundra 4X4 Doublecab Limited, I work in the Oilsands in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada. We pull the heaviest loads, through the hardest working conditions and the harshest/coldest winters in Canada and every Toyota owner I know from 4Runner to Tundra to Tacoma, is very satisfied and proud to drive such a quality vehicle. Every new Toyota owner I meet has such a passion for their truck or sport utility that I haven't seen a product bring people to a common appreciation since the Volkswagen I loved in highschool. Personally this site is offensive to those of us who manage to enjoy the positive qualities of this solid product. So quite politely, go fuck yourself. -?? (Ed: I see (Link here) why you don't care too much about using the Nav system. That's hilarious! Finally, your 'polite' suggestion echos what Toyota is telling it's customers every day- and it's not working for them either.)

we bought a 2010 RX AND THOUGHT WE COULD OVERRIDE THE GPS BUT WE CAN'T WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN OVERRIDE -W.S.

Nav sucks. Bluetooth sucks. Camry hybrid....good mileage. –D.W.

This was never an issue with my $200 Garmin, I don't get it. –W.H.

I have a Toyota Sienna with gen 4 and an upgraded ver 7.1 disc. Now I can't override. Um, this sucks -P.B.

I did not realize it was a well known defect. I have just been suffering with it, but now that I know they broke it, I want it to be fixed. 2007 Camry XLE -J.S.

The benefits of Nav are worthless without an override. –M.P.

The Lexus RX nav system is absolutely terrible. Not only is the lock-out feature downright unsafe, the navigation ability of the system is worse than a cheapo portable nav unit like a Garmin. We paid a lot of money for a system that works so poorly it costs us much more time and gas to get places when we use it. We have started to bring our old portable AVIC-S1 for navigation and Bluetooth on longer trips and that works far better than the Toyota system. Had we known this problem in advance, we would not have paid the $2000+ for the system. The voice system is a joke. I think this is consumer fraud by Toyota. Its not like you can just return the Nav system to them and get a refund on it. They need to make good on a terrible system. We have 2 Audi cars that have nav and they work great and they are very accurate at finding the quickest and most accurate route. I will likely not ever buy another Toyota as they have demonstrated a total disregard for their customers’ safety, customer desires/needs and poor overall quality. –R.Z.

Dealer never mentioned this. I would never have bought this if I knew. This has soured me on the dealer and Toyota. Never buy from either again. -B.H.

I find this "feature" to be inconvenient and unsafe -M.S.

Absolutely ridiculous! Now, my passenger cannot program the NAV system while in progress, forcing me to create traffic problems by pulling off to the side of the road. –D.S.

The inability to dial a number on my phone (through the nav screen), or access someone from my contact list (through the nav screen), means that I now have to be "heads down" doing the same function on my tiny cell phone screen. And, the inability to change my destination to any of my address book destinations without pulling over to the side of the road and stopping is ridiculous. Both of these together reduces by 80% the reason that I opted for the expensive nav system in the first place. I'm extremely disappointed that Toyota is trying to run my life and determine how I use the equipment that I paid big bucks for. Had I known these limitations beforehand, I would not have opted for the nav package (at a minimum), and would have seriously considered another car manufacturer. I drive 33,000 miles per year and the nav system was the primary considering in choosing my car. –B.C.

This was not mentioned when lexus sent me a letter stating that a new DVD was available. They essentially kept quiet on this and stole this without our knowledge. –A.T.

would like to update my navigation system -J.C.

No issues at this time -G.M.

What no Tundra Limiteds in your selection? What if I was victimized by a road rage driver and wanted to redirect my Nav to the local Police station? Would I have to stop to re-program my route and afford the monster a chance to attack me? Come on Toyota. Most of the time I program the Nav is when I'm on a long trip with family and I have a "navigator" in the passenger seat that can do it on the fly. Take your lawyers out back and shoot them. –S.B.

This feature renders this expensive navigation system virtually worthless when traveling outside of your local "preprogramed" daily driving routes. I bought a portable GPS to take with me most of the time to have the functions and information that 99% of car owners depend on GPS to provide...while enroute!!!! I'll never buy another Toyota navigation system...and because of this rediculous design, may never buy another Toyota! -J.C.

Currently use GARMIN and VW navigation equipment. Neither lock their system so that course or POI can be added during travel. The locking out of the navigation menus not only requires the driver to pull-over on shoulder or exit the roadway ---which in itself are dangerous manuevers---to make necessary corrections enroute. Neither the GARMIN or VW have these features locked out, allowing for passenger to utilize full feature of the onboard navigation and telephone/radio. This locking out only results with owner's finding alternatives that could downgrade or compromise the rest of the electronics in the vehicle. –J.P.

I have a 2010 Toyota Tunda. I was a lifelong GM owner and always installed aftermarket nav. When I switched to the Tundra, I special ordered with the nav installed. Oops... –C.D.

Don't know whose brain-child this was but it sucks. It is not always practical or safe to stop when you need to look something up or make a change. 98% of the time our nav system is used when there is more than one person in the car- the driver doesn't have anything to do with it. We will NEVER again purchase a vehicle with a GPS with this ridiculous "feature". Point in fact- my husband recently purchased a new car. He refused to even consider makes with this limitation and no override. –J.L.

Annoyed -A.B.

Took me 3 weeks to figure out it was not broken but only would not enter on the go. Maps are completely outdated--why can't I just by a 2010 disk to upgrade? What is so hard about that. This nav system sucks and the voice recognition must respond to Japanese because it sure does not respond to English! -S.C.

Should be able to control all navigation functions (while moving) at least if a passenger is in vehicle. In any case, should be able to make an informed decision and override. –C.G.

The Nav system in my 2010 Sienna is useless. The passenger should be able to use the navigatin system. –B.L.

As I woman, I find it potentially quite unsafe to have to stop the car to get directions. My friend and I were lost in a "very bad" Denver neighborhood recently but couldn't get directions without pulling over and stopping the car. While I undrstand Toyota's legal concerns, I can't imagine that they don't realize we may be depending upon directions to get out of a place where simply can't stop. If there is a passenger who can operate the nav, it certainly makes sense to have access without stopping. It was a nightmare and I wish that I had known before buying the car. –I.H.

the navigation system in my 2010 avalon is inferior to the $350.00 Garmin that I purchased a few years ago for my wife. it can be used by a passenger while I am driving and is at least as good as the one in the toyota. It is easier to input data, actually speaks the names of all the streets and is a breeze to use. I should have deleted the navigation system in the new car purchase and simply purchased a second garmin. Additionally, it is much too complicated for someone who does not utilizre it frequently and my wife currently takes the Garmin with her when she drives the Avalon. I might also add that she is not challenged by technology and has no problems with other vehicle vavigation systems when she is with friends, etc.. –K.K.

Toyota owners should have full access to all NAV features AT ALL TIMES. Having to continuously use the joystick enter button to activate the "I Agree" screen is moronic and childish and has worn out my joystick which will have to be replaced at a cost of $800. I will send the bill to the Toyota Legal Department. My next car will not have these obstacles to effective navagation. –A.S.

Someone needs to explain the safety concern when I try to enter an address, while my wife is driving. This is just another example of someone trying to protect a company from 1% of the population. They just don't think about how they are affecting 99%. I am sure our next vehicle will not have this limitation. –J.P.

Had a Honda with a great factory nav system. bought a new highlander expecting the same if not better. Now I hope the brakes or accel. fail so I can sue. This Nav sys. sucks. Toyota is run by lawyers, instead of engineers. NEVER AGAIN. –J.P.

Seems to be typical of Toyota's attitude toward its customer base. Too bad. We have bought one Honda and are looking at another. –J.C.

I get the safety concern. Air bags are also a safety concern. The vehicle is smart enough to know if someone is sitting in the passanger seat to turn the airbag on. Why can't the same sensor allow the passanger to use the navigation system? No reason other than Toyota refuses to do it. I would NOT have purchased the model with GPS had I been made aware of this issue before my purchase. –P.R.

We purchased our Sequoia Limited as a low-mileage pre-owned. I was quite annoyed to find out that the nav system was overridden in such a way. My Audi has no such limitations, and considerably better graphics and electronics integration. Our vehicle also has other issues that have gotten me to the point of considering trading it for something else. You can be certain that I will not consider another Toyota product. –J.T.

Override has caused numerous dangerous situations and also tardiness because of unavailability of needed navigation assistance. My vehicle is a 2007 Prius. –R.S.

The navigation issue is unacceptable. When coupled with the ridiculous problem with the battery going dead if not plugged into a 110 volt wall socket makes this car even more ridiculous. Let's face it...Not being able to communicate with the navigation system while on the go is certainly a SAFETY ISSUE. The battery problem with the SC430 is enough to steer me toward a different choice in autos the next time around. –A.P.

It sucks :( -M.S.

The NAV system is definitely worse than my $200 Navigon. I asked about updates and the dealer told me there was annual updates you could only buy from the dealer. What a crock!! Navigon had a 3 year map upgrade for quarterly updates for $99. Not being able to access the NAV system while driving really blows. I would not have gotten it if I knew. –T.G.

THE VOICE FEATURE IN MY NAVIGATION SYSTEM IS WORTHLESS AND NOT USEABLE. THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE USELESS ITEM. –M.M.

I drive a 09 Camry SE v6 and I cannot agree more on each issue thus far. This Navigation is junk. I cannot control it while driving. It is not up to date with the roads where I live in Massachusetts , many streets have been developed years ago but the system does not recognize it. Also, my SE model does not have a switch to disable Traction Control when needed, in New England weather like snow, there are many times shutting of the Traction Control is needed in order to get out of stucked situations or driving up a incline hill that has snow. I had times the traction control engages and I cannot go nowhere but reverse or in someones bumper. Very Dangerous! I love Toyota but are making some huge uneducated decisions. This will cost them plenty in the future, like me as a customer. –D.Y.

My wife enters addresses while she is in the passenger seat. We bought our car and took it to Las Vegas the next day. We were stunned to find out that we couldn't use the phone or enter addresses into the GPS. Worthless junk! I will have to put our Garmin GPS on the dash as we did before. The GPS system seems to work fairly well... once you are able to get an address entered. I'm telling everyone I know about the flaw in their programming. This is NOT a safety issue. I never enter addresses while driving... but my passenger should be able to. –D.B.

I think it is ridiculous that Toyota selectively disables navigation and telephone touchscreen features while the car is in motion in a misguided attempt at covering their asses against a lawsuit. It is way more dangerous to pull your phone out and dial a phone number(which you have to do since the dial by name feature never recognizes a name you say). They don't even allow a passenger to use the features, which is completely stupid. They can recognize passenger in the seat for the airbags, but aren't smart enough to use that information to enable the navigation and telephone touchscreen features. As long as they have this problem, I will never buy a Lexus again. P.S. And they ignore fatal problems of sudden acceleration, but waste their time on this stupidity. –N.A.

Site software doesn't show Toyota vehicle options: 2008 Highlander. My 2008 Highlander 3 row would be a wonderful car if it hadn't been sold with crippled software. The primary use I have for the navigation package is on trips to locate points of interest. Normally with my portable the front seat passenger can locate restaurants or detours as we drive. With this package these things are completely crippled. Voice navigation doesn't work at all. I definitely would have looked at Honda and Nissan if I had known about this issue. BTW: Radio messages, and some blue tooth phone features are also disabled. WHAT A PAIN! I have to use my portable in addition to my built in navigation to get the functionality I need. I doubt that I will ever consider a Toyota or Lexus again. (I currently own a 08 Toyota Highlander and an 02 Lexus ES). –E.V.

The lexus system is terrible, my Garmin that I use for my Nissan truck exceeds anything that the Lexus nav system does. –J.B.

The navigation system on my 2008 Prius has been off since I bought the car. I feel that for the price of the upgrade it should have worked perfectly. I am very disappointed in it performance, lack of concern on the part of the dealership to fix the fault. Will look into a ford hybrid when I go to replace this car. –B.M.

The Toyota navigation system is horrible. It is not just the override but the fact that it cannot find any addresses. –N.S.

was not told when purchased the car that navigation and phone will not work when car is in motion. –O.S.

I was literally shocked that the gps, phone and audio system do not work while the vehicle is in motion. I use my 4 year old Garmin that does all of these thing quite well. Shame on me for not doing all of my research. I will never buy another Toyota product. –M.R.

cannot stand it –L.R.

There should be a passenger sensor, the same sensor that turns on/off the airbag or the seatbelt ding. I wish I could return my car and I will not buy a Toyota again.- D.W.

Currently I am dealing with the local dealership regarding my new 2009 Venza and have expressed my concerns on two levels:
1. Deceptive sales practices
2. Total inadequacies of the navigation system I believe that this system is actually unsafe since it is often necessary to pull over or off the road to use the nav system. The "Toyota perspective" that this is for "our safety" is unfounded since many other radio/XM/phone features are able to be used manually while the car is in motion. –S.T.

It's ridiculous to have to pull over and stop to input into the navigation system. At the least there should be an override switch on the passenger side. –D.B.

The navigation system is useless to me, plus the phone. It is safer to use the nav over picking up my cell phone. Toyota has enough problems with their sticky gas pedal. I hate not having control of the screen. Looking into getting a rebate or a fix –P.A.

I'm disappointed that a passenger cannot change the destination etc. while driving. I wouldn't have paid extra for the navigation had I known. –T.P.

Absolutely the worst navigation system I've used or even heard about. Just take a Garmin system with you on any ride over a couple of hours and you will see the difference. The Garmin will out perform 100%. On a 6 hour ride the Sequoia system will be 2 hours behind the Garmin when computing the ETA. The Sequoia will ask you to use by-passes, side roads, state roads etc in lieu of just staying on the main road like you would want it to do. Both were set up to stay on main highways. I tried different routes (Quickest, Short 1 and Short 2) on the Sequoia and done worked well. Also, the voice will only tell you to turn by calculating the distance in feet in lieu of giving the street name. Thats a minor issue compared to the GPS not giving accurate direction. The sad part is my dealership (Priority Toyota) wants to blame the direction misgivings on me. Just read the 100's of dissatisfaction letters posted everywhere. I am extremely disappointed with Toyota and will not buy another one once I find a way to unload this one without taking a huge hit. We actually had a 2003 Highlander w/o any problems. This 2008 Sequoia Platinum should be a top of the line vehicle!! –M.C.

The Battery died in my is350 while my sister was driving it up a slightly inclined road and the car shut of and locked up on her gears wouldn't change and the brakes froze up, she rolled back 300 feet and crashed into a wall. Air bags never came out etc. The garage that fixed the car said that the only thing they could find bad in the car was the battery, Lexus agreed with this but there not going to take responsibility for it because there "lexus battery" is apparently my fault the car shut off while driving. My car suffered $11,500 in damages, and I just got it back after 3 months. I truly regret buy this car. –P.S.

F*cking stupid –M.T.

My 2005 Avalon navigation system can't find my home (built in 1967). It has now been recalled for a problem which does not bother me and for which there is no solution. Toyota doesn't care about the well documented failure of its overpriced navigation system for which there is better technology available at a lower cost. Recall the damn navigation system. (It is a $2000 dollar sound system that will not play an MP3 CD.) PS Why no US cars in the above choices? Ford has far better sound and navigation.-S.B.

The navigation lockout is the worst thing i've ever seen. Next they'll tell me the engine won't start on Friday 13th because someone in their legal dept thinks it's dangerous. Never _EVER_ will i buy another vehicle with this feature. Had i known we'd have an Odessey right now. The voice activation is a joke. Why hasn't anyone sued them over this? I feel cheated, this is the least advertised "safety feature" McDonalds has to disclose their coffee is hot, why doesn't Toyota have to disclose their navigation does this? –G.D. (Ed: Moreover, why doesn't Consumer Reports 'inform' the car buying public- it would save a lot of headache for those who are not told by dealers of the limitations)

don't like having to stop in order to use the navigation system –C.W.

This is too much 'big brother'. I am smart enough to decide what is safe for me and my family. A passenger should be allowed to operate the gps while moving. –C.M.

It is much safer to use the navigation system (by my passenger) in my car than pull over in some strange area I am lost. Also, it is more dangerous to use my cell phone to dial a number than the nav. screen phone book. I would never have considered the Toyota as I consider this an integral feature of my Limited edition vehicle. And now the accelerator issue? I have always owned Toyota's. There is no law which requires the Navigation and phone book to be disabled while driving. My review will not be so great on Edmund's as I thought it would be, unless there is a fix. P.A.

Just bought a 2010 RAV4 and paid extra because my wife loves the NAV system in my Acura. The Toyota system is pretty much unusable. I am not in the least bit pleased with this situation. –T.C.

I have an Avalon LTD with Nav. What a joke. Tell it home and POI comes up. Say Am radio and it responds that the system must be on to use that feature. Also, isn't it great that while you're driving you can't change anything on the Nav system!! Or the radio screen lays dormant until you stop and then the radio text appears!!! Toyota knows they have a problem and yet they refuse to acknowledge or respond to us with refunds. (Ed: Does this sound like a'typical Toyota response' to any other problems you've heard about?) I bought a $300 Tom Tom system for my other car and it's fantastic. NO MORE TOYOTAS for me or my family. –D.P.

Every other car I have seen allows the passenger to operate the navigation system while the car is in motion - this system is ridiculous! –M.I. (Ed: Exactly! That is what's expected by customers and if there is a lockout, Toyota should be compelled to advertise that fact.)

Spoiled by the wonderful Nav on the Honda. My wife usually drives and I work the systems. Allows me to look for restaurants, etc. Now everything is locked out. Voice activation for Toyota is useless. –M.L.

Bought the car for my wife's birthday. It has been quite annoying while on roadtrips not having the ability to change addresses while on the road. –J.V. (Ed: Has she divorced you yet for being out to get her?)

I own a 2009 Toyota camry XLE. I am so frustrated with the navigation system. All the kinks but the override were fixed with the 2010's but we are left out in the cold by Toyota. This was my first and will be my last. I am upset. Toyota does not care about their customers anymore. this is obvious. –N.C.(Ed: That Toyota doesn't care any more is the 'take home' message. And the best customer response is to send friends and family to another carmaker.)

Sucks big time! –G.L.

I own a 2007 Toyota Tundra w/ navigation. I probably would of bought a Ford or GMC, had I known about this ridiculous navigation system! –E.E.

My Honda allows me to make changes while driving. Why not Toyota???? –D.H.

I find it very frustrating not being able to imput an address while driving. I was driving through N. Ontario, almost out of gas, I have to stop to input for gas station locations, very upsetting! –A.J.

Lock-out while moving has always been a sore point since we got our '06 Avalon. Finally, I learned how to do the Override trick, which works fine if we remember to do it before we start. Then last week I shelled out $225 for the new 2009 DVD only to find that the Override no longer works. And to add insult to injury, some of my favorite stores are no longer listed as POIs! What is Toyota Thinking! As the driver, I would never do the locked out features while moving, but I fail to understand why the full utility could not be made available when the front passenger seat is occupied. –E.S. (Ed: Your plight is memorialized in 'This Conversation')

The nav system is not usable, I would never have paid 1600 for something I have to pull over on the road to use. It really sucks. It would be nice if the passenger could use it while driving. Totally useless feature. –R.S.

I recently purchased a 2010 Highlander Hybrid, and am completely disappointed in the Nav limitations. I asked to return my vehicle after driving less than 20 miles due limitations with the nav while in motion. I have been given the run around by my dealer, and kept the car on the promise that something would be done. I think it should be the dealers responsibility to notify the customer of these limitations so the perspective buyer can make an informed decision. I will not likely purchase another Toyota/Lexus product again. –C.H.

I HAVE A 2010 TOYOTA CAMRY XLE V6 WITH NAVIGATION IT SUKS –A.R.

I want Toyota to remove the Nav/phone system lockout from the 2010 Prius. Barring that they should remove the lockout when the passenger seat is occupied. I've tried using the Voice recognition system and it's much worse span> than the on screen system. –A.C.

A big disappointment –L.V.

Maps for GPS are outdated. Can't use the thing at ALL. Very annoyed. Just received a postcard in the mail...buy update for $200. My 15 yr son says I should just go buy an add-on. I may just do this...he thinks we wasted thousands on the GPS...he's right... –T.M.

Not being able to use it while driving is nonsense. I bought a Garmin GPS for navigation while my car had a $1000 useless system. –C.A.

can not operate GPS while the car is in motion –L.W.

this needs to be an informed customer choice not a dictate from Toyota. –G.B.

It is so annoying that I use my portable Garmin for trips. –S.M.

Toyota navigation sucks. Would never have ordered this car if I had known this. When it works it leads me down dead ends! Bought a Garmin 750....very happy with the Garmin. For future Toyota buyers...buy the car without the GPS and buy a Garmin GPS. You will be a lot happier!!! –S.W.

he navigation system in my new Camry hybid is a piece of XXXX. I takes me so far off the path to where I am going taking twice as long to get there. It's impossible to use, would never have bought this car with it in it. I have written the company so many times getting the run-around. I HATE this system, overpriced for garbage. -G.C.

It isn't only the lockout; which infuriated me after I spent $3500 dollars for it. It was:
1. Amazingly difficult and non-intuitive to use (and I'm a "power user" of computers and electronics)
2. Often Flat-out wrong: it won't identify addresses that have existed for years, or even nav you near them if it can't find them.
3. my iPhone with Google Maps works 10,000 times better and gives more sensible routes, AND traffic, and it was free, except for the $200 cost of the phone. -E.M.

2008 Prius ---$199.00 Dollars for a navagation update??? Our car was bought in 08. The nav was out of date when we bought the car. My own home and neighbor hood was not on the nav. Our home was built in 2006. Even to this date our streets do not show up in the nav. So we bought a 08 car with a nav thats older then 2006. Maybe they should have a disclaimer that says.--- Warning--- The use of this navigation system could cause serious injury, due to the use of old and out of dated navigation maps. In times like this, getting stuck in the pocket for something like this is a deal breaker. Good luck with your con job Toyota.. !!!! -L.V.

How can it be safe to pull over for directions in the "bad" part of Oakland CA? That to me is a huge liabilty. -B.O.

Why can all my friends with different cars use gps systems and I can`t. -A.D.

I will not buy another car, from anyone, that has this "feature" in its navigation system. -A.B.

We also own a Saab and Chevy and don't have any issues with the nav. This is like being treated like a baby. I would have passed on the navigation upgrade if I knew. We need an override on the navigation or this is the last Toyota we will ever buy. Real pity. -D.W.

There could at least be a sensor on the passenger seat to enable an override. -R.B.

was not aware of this problem until i bought the car! -A.A.

Bought a used Sienna. Very impressed. The salesman demoed the Navi system. Looked promising. After taking it home, found that the Navi system is utterly useless. I can not get anywhere with it. I was trying to show my wife how to get to our Brother-in-law's house. We got lost. I was telling my wife to stop (in traffic) and she was getting very upset at me. She will never use the Navi system, as she is the once bitten twice shy type. I doubt she will ever like this van as much as our old Honda Odyssey. It is a shame, too, cause this is a much nicer van. -J.M.

For $2000, I expected a navigation system at least as functional as my $200 Garmin. The lack of an override option and the general clunkiness of the Toyota navigation interface is a great disappointment. I find it difficult to believe that a company with the resources of Toyota designed and delivered a technology product that is nearly unusable. Surely there are software engineers Toyota could have lured away from Garmin or one of the other GPS companies! This will definitely affect my decisions about future auto purchases. -J.B.

Yes it really bugs me not being able to do anything while the vehicle is in motion, we can be out of town with several clients looking for a resturaunt and a hotel for the night and we must pull over in order to locate either of them. It is quite embarrassing because my clients say their chrysler's and cadillac's navigation systems can find an address while on the road. its actually embarrassing because I feel my car is nice... but when people talk about the nav system its horrible. My wife(in the passenger seat) should be able to look for a destination while I am driving(100% focused on driving). It is very dangerous to pull over on the interstate to look for an address or destination and then pulling back onto the interstate is very dangerous as well. I think the passenger should be able to control everything while the CAR IS IN MOTION.. if toyota wants to live up to all expectations something needs to be changed! Toyota I am very disappointed in you!!! -J.C.

I should be able to use the system anytime I choose. Even if I had to sign up for an override on the web or something of the sorts to say I take responsibility for my actions. -R.P.

Its ridiculous not being able to access the nav systm while moving. Would not have paid extra for the nav system and bought the car without it or another car. No other manufacturer does this. will not buy a lexus again until this is changed -J.C.

I should be able to use my Navigation on the Move!!!! -J.H.

Makes absolutely no sense. This is purely a lawyer driven non-issue. If it was to prevent the driver from being distracted all buttons and dials should be disabled which they are not. In order to make calls when driving I now have to dial via my mobile phone which is a greater hazard. To disable the entire GPS system while driving defeats the purpose of having POI search. I will not buy or recommend Toyota until this nonsense is resolved. -K.L.

I would have bought just the base radio/satellite. It is ridiculous for us to have to 1) Update newer maps at 200 + when an update for a Garmin is free; and 2) For a passenger not to be able to use the Nav unit is just plane over-reactionary on the behalf of Toyota. Additionally, the salesman lied and said we could override the feature. -A.H.

Toyota Sienna Limited 2007. Constantly frustrated that we spent the extra money for something that is essentially useless.... Would have gone with Honda had we known... -B.K.

Not happy -E.M.

I have a 2008 Sienna and 2008 Highlander both with Nav. I can't stand the fact that I need to stop to input a location...I frequently use a portable Garmin to avoid using the Toyota Nav system. -R.L.

2009 Highlander Limited. Even the manual is vague regarding the unavailability of GPS while vehicle moves. Took me quite a while to figure out why the GPS was inoperable. My wife, as passenger is capable with GPS. She should have access. I have two TomTom's which I use. I do not make myself an unsafe driver using them. -J.D.

I am highly incensed. I have complained to Toyota (without response), to the dealer (who has no solution to offer). I have written poor reviews for Consumer Reports and advised others of the issue. My wife wants to replace her 2002 Lexus with one with a nav package but it won't be a Lexus unless this issue is fixed. As much as I like the 2008 Highlander Limited with 3 row seating and power liftgate etc. except for this problem and the fact that there are no decent replacement tires available, I will be upgrading to a different vehicle at the first opportunity to do so without doing myself major financial damage. -E.V.

2010 Camry XLE. I should have saved the $2000 I paid for the navi. -H.U.

The navi grays out buttons while in motion making it impossible to select or change destinations. Pulling over on the highway just to type a new destination is a risk to my life and the lives of all my family members. -M.P.

Would not have bought the navigation if I'd known about this. A Garmin is much cheaper -M.H.

It is understanding that if you have experienced limitations in current tecknology and they do not meet expectations that you are looking for sources to vent your frustrations. I am not sure that the actions you are taking warrent the extreme recommendations of the web site. If everyone took the same course of action everytime personal expectations were not met there wouldn't be many vehicle manufacturers left to be recommended. I am sure there will always be shortfalls in new technologies as this is a emerging market. Rash brand bashing has never led to resolving issues but it is understood that not everyones intent is for improvement but rather to satisfy other issues. Sorry about the current issues but I am confident that Toyota does care. -B.P

Toyota Highlander...is there a hack for the Nav yet? I just bought the new disk with hopes. -C.P.

Very aggravating, my wife and I travel all around the country and try to find hotels and restaurants ahead along the way. We have to get off the highway, "STOP" and then use the navigation system to find what we want. Unlike our other cars that we can keep moving and identify hotels and even call them all without stopping. I tried the voice recognition system on our 2010rxh and found it to be useless. Why does Toyota / Lexus feel the necessity to eliminate the very convenience of a very expensive navigation system when EVERY other auto manufacturer, GPS manufacturer and now cell phone manufacturer allows this convenience. You've got idiots for lawyers, if they are the reason. They have to assume that there is NEVER a passenger in the vehicle when the navigation system is used. -R.M.

I travel a lot for my job and I now carry a portable gps because I can't make changes without stopping on my built in Toyota navigation. I was also shocked when I tried to upgrade my DVD that it would cost more than $300. -C.T.

Toyota navigation stinks. -P.H.

It's useless. -J.T.

We bought the 2009 Toyota Venza and had no idea that the navigation system had this problem. It bugs the heck out of us and we hate the navigation system. We have owned Toyotas for our entire family for over 30 years and are very disappointed in the company due to this problem. -P.R.

I would never have paid the big bucks Toyota charges for the Navigation system if I had known how bad it is. Extremely disappointed. -D.G.

Paying 2000 for a navigation system that the passenger can't use while driving is probably the most moronic thing I have ever seen. -J.C.

It's not just Lexus, but also Toyota highlander. Same issue and extremely annoying. I agree that $200 Garmin behaves better than $3000 nav. system of Toyota. Shame on them for that! -S.P.

Completely unsatisfied with the near $3,000 upgrade to the package including the navigation system due to the constraints that disallow use of the system while in motion. I am considering trading in the vehicle for one that offers complete control over the options for which I pay. -M.A.

I had no idea any car manufacturer would install a GPS that can't be programmed by the passenger/copilot. Imagine a plane that can't be navigated whle flying. Toyota liability might be protected but their loyal owners are being failed by Toyota leadership. The proof this is a failed system, unfortunately, for Toyota will be demonstrated in the luxury segment being displaced by more progressive auto manufacturers who understand what customers who depend on expensive navigation systems want and need. -J.E.

I own a 2007 Toyota Avalon and find it a major disruption to attempt to find 'something' while enroute in an unfamiliar area. While I have discovered the override menu in the car, it resets everytime you shut off the car. The override should be a 'setting' which remains in memory until changed. -G.H.

I am very upset and will heavily consider purchasing another make over the Toyota if they don't fix this! -P.E.

their navigation system is the worst -D.F.

I don't even try to use the nav system anymore as it is out of date, too hard to use and I can't make any inputs while I am enroute. I bought a $150 windshield Tom Tom Go plug-in to take the place of this nav system.My next car will be an Acura with their nav system you can actually find your way and updates are easy. -H.S.

This is totally absurd - Toyota has lost all grip on reality! -D.S.

I'm also ticked that it will cost me nearly $300 to upgrade the map. I hardly use it because it sends me around town in circles or once I reach the destination, it's not there. -K.B.

Passenger cannot make changes to the nav system while car is in motion -M.J.

It's simply annoying and the replacement disk is too expensive -A.J.

It is the worst navigation system I have ever had the displeasure of using. -C.L.

Absolutely a nonpurchase of the vehicle had I known...2009 Sequoia Platinum -S.P.

The Navigation system is an extreme waste of money. Not user firendly, can't be used while in motion, etc. Save yoyr time and money and buy and $150 portable system. I have 2 Garmin's that are MUCH better than the $1200+ in dash navigation in my 2009 Highlander. -R.G.

It is unsafe to try and use the navi in both the Lexus and Toyota! It is ridiculous that a passenger cannot enter the needed information while the car is moving. For the driver to have to TRY and get the voice recognition to work (good luck!) it's very distracting and takes way too long. If I'm looking for the next rest area on the highway I certainly don't want to have to pull over just to enter the request! That pretty much defeats the purpose in this case. My iPhone is proving to be a much better navigation tool when used by the passenger. But then the maps on the navi screen are nice to look at...totally overpriced for something so useless! -G.G.

It's particularly stupid, and shows a lack of foresight for Toyota to disallow the override. I have always wondered why the systems works that way. That's just one of my pet peeves with the top-of-line 2008 highlander that my wife and I bought. It didn't even come with seat memory buttons for the driver, which is very odd for a car of that price range. -M.M.

I would like to join a class action against Toyota for its worthless navigation system. It appears there's a strong implied warranty of merchantability issue. -T.T.

Really annoying, makes the system completely useless, I have bought a Tomtom to use instead. At least you can preprogram this indoors the day before you travel and change it if you have a change of plan in the car. I only need a sat nav when I am with my wife and we are going off somewhere. This isn't a safety issue as the passenger would use it. Actually I think portable ones are much better and I wouldn't get a built in one again, they are also much cheaper and can be updated for a lot less money and you can get POI data easily. All good reasons to avoid the Toyota one. I have used my portable one all over Europe with no problems and if I need a technology update I don't need to change the car. I had the same problem in a previous car (fiat), the built in system was useless and very expensive to keep up to date. I bought a complete system with maps for less than the cost of an update and it was much faster. I think people will come round to this point of view and stop buying in car models. -S.L.

I am extremely upset with the lack of functionality on Toyota's GPS/NAV while driving. I understand the legality yet they should provide an override and disclaimer to cover them and not make the consumer suffer. There should be a sensor at least for the passenger to operate the gps while driving. It is more dangerous for people to mess with it at a stop light or pull over to change thier destination. I wasted a lot of money on this garbage system. I spent a large amount of money on my seqouia and for the Toyota name and if this is they way they operate I will no longer stick with them and will inform everyone I know to stay away. First they will babysit me with my NAV then what is next? Garbage... -E.C.

This is ridiculous. At least have a sensor that detects the presence of a passenger and leaves all the navigation buttons enabled. -T.J.

Considering the number of distracting features on the Toyota system, disabling the nav and phone systems is simply illogical and probably makes the car more dangerous. -W.M.

How could anyone think that the passenger operating the Nav system is more of a safety issue than the driver using a cell phone...much less texting!!! We are not children. Toyota should issue a software fix for this mess. -K.S.

They need to make that feature work all the time! -J.P.

I am so annoyed with the "I Agree" button every time I start the the car, that this alone will prevent me from considering a Toyota for my next car purchase this month. There are other fine cars out there without this frustration. Odd that Toyota can get so much right and get this so wrong and be seemingly stuborn in their position in spite of customer feedback. Reminds me of how american car manufactures for so many years insisted on separate keys for the ignition and door locks and sold it as a feature. -T.B.

This is outrageous. I just thought it was buggy/broken and was looking for the patch that repaired it. I have actually put myself in a certain amount of danger trying to help my wife locate the screen to change the destination while I was driving and becoming increasingly frustrated with the buggy software. The passenger would be entering the destination, anyway, not the driver. Now I discover that it was done on purpose. -J.A.

I do not understand why the passenger should not be allowed to operate navigation system while vehicle is in motion. -P.G.

I think the nav system is useless if you can't use it while you are moving. I would not have bought the car had I know this. -T.J.

Can't believe that there is not an over-ride for the system. -G.S.

I WOULD NOT BUY ANOTHER NAV. SYSTEM FROM TOYOTA AGAIN! -E.N.

i feel real cheated that my passenger cannot put in any information while driving. i bought a seven seater sienna limited 2010 not a single seater. -B.K.

This is an extreme inconvenience. Also, the software in the Navigation package is not up to date. For example, in my neighborhood a restaurant closed down three years ago. (The Vintage on Selby Avenue, St. Paul) It was replaced by another restaurant (Il Vesco Vino) and this restaurant has also changed location. The property is currently vacant. Both restaurants are listed in the dining section. -B.S.

This could have been corrected so simply just with a little software change linked to the passenger seat switch for the airbag system. No passenger, no access to change info while driving. Everyone wins. -G.E.

I would have bought an after market nav system. I personally think this is just as dangerous if not more to have this disabled. When your wife, daughter or son. Needs to change directions. And let’s say they are out of town. In which most cases your are. They would need to pull over stop maybe on the expressway. (Oh right your not supposed to do that). And if they need to pull over off the expressway. How safe is that. Not knowing the area. Toyota should have told customers about this disabled system before buying it. -R.C.

I am very disappointed that I cannot override the current GPS system while riding with another passenger. -P.S.

No other GPS system locks out while driving, why should Toyota's? -A.S.

The Nav system is completely useless when traveling. -S.W.

My wife bought a nice used 2006 Hylander Hybrid with built-in nav. On the way home from the dealer she got a call to go to a place she'd never been. Being used to other nav systems she tried to enter the destination only to find that it wouldn't allow her to. I've read that there is a way to override this on the 2006 model. Can you point me to where I can find out how to do that? Thanks in advance.-H.W.

People vote with their pocketbooks. I will not buy another toyota with a nav package until this is fixed. I'm amazed that my several year old Garmin nav computer works so much better than the new factory installed toyota system. The lockout is simply outrageous! It makes the system almost unusable. -K.B.

i have a toyota camry XLE but could not find that on here. I am so upset over the lack of an override. but mainly this sysem is terrible. spent 4 hours at toyota dealership today but accomplished nothing. they dont even know how to work this system. i feel i have been ripped off...i want my money refunded wish i could give them the car back. I am upset. -N.C.

It is completely absurd that you need to stop to use the GPS and equally bad that the system usually does not even have correct information, i.e., constantly telling me that the house number does not exist on the selected street. I can't count the times I stuck my portable Garmin on the windscreen so I have GPS capability, -D.V.

Absolutely hate the Nav system, and would return the car if I could. Will not buy another one. Really really upset. Got a call from rep in Cal and they are just stonewalling as everyone has said.- T.D.

Its my car and like any other car I should be able to use all its features as I please. In my bmw i can switch to any mp3 file at any time. in My lexus however, the process of doing so is very painful while driving. -O.A.

i would not have bought the nav package if i had known that the passenger would not be able to change destinations and such -J.C.

I travel a great deal and the simple fact I need to pull over the use the Nav system is not user friendly not to mention dangerous. As to the Bluetooth and dialing a number from the on-board touch screen----useless!! The voice command is completely inadequate! -L.G.

I have had my 2007 Avalon Limited for almost three years...love the car....except for the NAV System...this thing makes Hertz Forever Lost System look great. The override key is a constant issue and I can not count the number of times that it has made me either late or have to pull off the road to make changes. There just isn't enough time at lights for my PASSENGER to make the changes. -J.O.

The navigation system is totally useless on trips and when you really need it. We had 2 (two) BMW X5's prior to our Toyota Highlander Hybrid purchase in 2007. The navigation was totally operable while driving. We usually get a new car every 4 years, and the override Navigation will definitely be on the top of our list as to what manufacturer we choose. If the airbags can sense someone in the passenger seat, why can't the Navigation system? -W.R.

The car is smart enough to detect whether or not there is someone in the front seat and engage the air bag accordingly, but it can't allow that same mass to co-pilot the GPS??? And the great bluetooth feature, yeah...you can kiss calling radio stations good bye, the hang up on you when they realize you're on it. -K.B.

My wife cannot enter addresses when I am driving and vice versa. This really ticks. me off that I cannot do anything about it and I will not buy another Toyota until this issue is resolved. I tried the Toyota after years of BMW and while the quality is very good this is a constant annoyance on a GPS I paid thousands of dollars extra for. In hindsight I should have just opted for the standard radio and had an aftermarket GPS/radio/etc installed where I have options. -P.S.

Hate it -M.M.

Its pathetic that this car is more computer than car and I lose functionality for this 'feature set'. In fact, this override make driving in unfamliar areas more dangerous as I will be hunting for street signs or trying to quickly input at red lights. Its a disaster! -J.L.

yes it is a pain having to stop to enter new details into the satnav. As my wife is with me 99% of the time when driving -J.W.

I'm very annoyed with the functionality of the nav system but particularly with the lock out. Toyota should leave it up to the customer as to when he can operate the system. -N.C.

The navigation pachage is a $1500 worthless option. I have a $200 Garmon that is easier to use, more flexible, is helpful on trips finding gas stations and hotels, and I can take it with me from car to car - even rentals. If I had known the navigation system locks out once the car starts moving I definitely would have looked for a car without this option. -R.G.

Did not know about the limitations when I bought the car. Kind of a waste of money since I had a portable garmin system, but I was kind of talked into the system in the car. Not very happy that I cannot change routes or search for things when driving. They should have at least tied an override to the passenger seat so that if you have a passeger they can operate the system. -M.O.

The computer function shutdown in motion is a constant annoyance and occasionally an actual driving hazard. -R.F.

I own a 2008 Toyota Prius and hate that the passenger cannot operate the Nav system. It is stupid that the vehicle must be stopped to update the Nav address. I own the car and should be able to use it as I see fit. If I want to drive and use the Nav system it is my ass not Toyota's. Cell phones can be used when driving, how about making cars with material that make cell phones useless when in a car! Same logic. -R.M.

One of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. Did Toyota do any market research before they decided to implement this function? -R.H.

Really upset with the inability to search for destinations while the car is moving. This "feature" makes the Navi a total waste of money and I truely regret getting the car with it. I could have saved a bunch of money by getting the Camray without the Navi. I will not buy another Toyota with this feature. -T.R.

2008 Sequoia Limited Can't use nav while driving. Why can't there be an override. It would be helpful if the passenger could program it if Toyota feels the driver in incapable. I can see it now... driving along the highway and saying... gee I think we should find somewhere to eat or somewhere to get gas. Then the driver says, OK, let me fins an exit, park the thing and then you can search through the nav to find what we need. Ridiculous !! -P.S.

Betrayed and tricked into purchasing a GPS that is worthless. Toyota has decided to childproof the GPS and make it worthless in my opinion. I often travel with my wife and we\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ll take a side trip and stop at POIs. The geniuses at Toyota have locked the ability to do this since you have to stop to program to see where to stop. This is a fairly stupid overthought feature undoubtedly designed as "safety". I am an adult and very safety conscious. I do not need them big brothering me. I wish I had never seen this car. -L.P.

My Toyota Venza Nav system was misrepresented to me. Having owned a 2007 Camry with Nav. I deliberately asked the salesperson if the new Nav system could be used while driving and he said yes. I would have no problem if the voice recog. system found the same POIs' as the manualy keyed in system but is doesn't. Giving you a few choices instead of the numerous found by puching buttons. I feel that my Nav system is not totally usable. My Garmin 250 is a much better Nav and it only costs me $20.00. -R.D.

There is no reason for not including an override option to access the locked-out navigation (and phone--can't even work on the phone book as passenger) features. A stern warning is enough to alert us to the danger. After that, the passenger should to able to access all the functionality. -P.P.

Every time I use the Nav system I get annoyed, if not livid. First they forced me to buy a DVD Entertainment system I did not want in order to get the Nav system I thought I wanted! Too late, I discovered: If you have a passenger in the car they cannot look for a detour or alternate route while you are driving. Or a restaurant. Or a motel. I called to ask for instructions to make the system in the vehicle I had just paid $42000.00(!) for do what I wanted it to do, and the rep on the phone got all self-righteous and was literally trying to convince me that I was WRONG for even asking! After taking my money, Toyota has the nerve to tell me that THEY know better than WE do about what we need in OUR vehicle. THIS IS RIDICULOUS and I now have installed my old $150 Magellan above my new worthless $4000 Toyota system! I only wish I had seen this website before I bought the car and I'd now be driving a Honda. -D.S.

This rotten navigation system on my 2008 Avalon has ruined Toyota for me. Never again. -P.H.

It stinks..... It causes me to pull out my blackberry and search it for a phone number to dial -J.D.

C'mon this is just silly. I spent nearly 40k in this 09 highlander and now I'm just pissed that I made the purchase. TOYOTA!! Change this NOW and make it so everyone can have the software updated. Whatever brilliant person came up with this is an idiot and shouldn't work for you!! -C.R.

Not only does this affect the Nav system, it also affects the iPod adapter. You cannot change to different areas of your ipod. They are all grayed out. You can only use the up and down buttons to change songs. -J.H.

The Navi system without the over-ride is a waste of money. I have a South African accent and the navigation system doesn't understand me. Let me over ride the system. -C.G.

It really is a shame that they have completely removed the override. While on long family trips, if someone has to go to the bathroom, we have to actually pull over on the highway in order to search for a place to stop. That's simply just not safe and it's illegal in some areas. Sadly, we end up using our iPhones to use google maps to find places when I have a perfectly good GPS right in the car. What a waste. :-( -C.N.

another rip off from Lexus/Toyota -E.H.

My GF has the SC430 that has the override. I have a 2008 Tundra LTD and its not there. I just want it back. -D.S.

wouldn't buy the car if I'd known, this is insane! -D.D.

It's like I just open the window and throw $2,000 away , It bothers me to use it...... -E.H.

Venza Nav is insulting, hateful and non-customer oriented. Do not buy this vehicle. -D.G.

Get your legal department out of my passenger seat! Send me a release and let ME decide what my $43-thousand-dollar-SUV will limit me from doing while driving. After all, you don't prohibit me from situations where swerving to miss an obstacle could result in a vehicle roll over do you? -R.B.

The override isn't the only problem. The just as serious (or even more serious) problem is the defective quality of the data, which is practically useless where I live. -P.R.

Works great on tha Acura - Should have gotten it!. Friggin Toyota - the next GM! -H.G.

Would not have bought the 2009 updated Navigation disk this year if we had known there was not an override!!!! VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!! -J.G.

Was under the impression that there is a "quick fix" to solve this issue with a new dvd coming out. Still waiting.... -A.A.

I have a 2006 model and was THINKING about upgrading the navigation due to major road changes in my city. If they have removed the override, there is NO WAY I want any part of that! I was angry we had to go through ANY STEPS to override the inputting while driving in the first place, but to have them make in unavailable at all is pure business suicide. My husband's new Ford truck has better navigation than my Lexus! Unreal. I'm glad I researched this before I purchased an upgrade! -A.C.

I lose 90% of nav function not being able to use while driving (with passenger operation). -C.H.

This is a terrible problem. If I could I would return car. I will not buy another Toyota. -T.D.

What's next; are they gonna disable my climate control, radio and CD player buttons while I'm driving too? I have an unmarred driving record, and plan to keep it. But I don't plan to pull over on highways, especially in unfamiliar areas (where I am most likely to need the GPS info) to find the places I need. If I do enter info while driving, I do so a single letter at a time, taking no more time than I would to change the radio station or the A/C setting. My DVD just died (in my 05 Sienna) and rather than update I'll probably just buy a Garmin or TomTom. -L.J.

Have a 4-runner 2006 Nuts.....people eat... use cell phone....but a passenger can not enter a destination!!! will never buy a toyota again. owed 5 up to now!!! -U.S.

Have a Toyota 4 runner - wife's car Wanted to buy lexus lx570 - for self will not buy lexus570 because there is no override on the nav system. planning to sell the 4 runner, as we prefer to use our portable Garmin GPS -E.F.

Or, Acura. Decided to get Nav in my next car after driving my friend's brand new Acura TSX 200 miles home from the dealer. Great car & fun to drive! Nav was cool, too! I have been considering a 2009 Toyota Rav4, and now w/ Nav. Ironically, while searching the net to see how Toyota Nav compared w/ Magellan, Garmin, etc., I found your website. Boy! I'm glad I did! I may just go w/ an Acura for my next car. THANKS!!!! -J.N.

I am very dissappointed with the Nav system in my Toyota Highlander (2009) for all the reasons you outlined above. If I could do it over again, I would buy the Honda Pilot. -D.R.

Give us back our override capability - even if you do it through some back-door, super-secret website! -T.H.

If you can buzz when the passenger seat is occupied, then you should allow input for navagation. This is crazy!!! -M.R.

Would not have purchased the vehicle if I would have known. It is more dangerous pulling over to use the Nav/Bluetooth system. -W.H.

Absolutely crazy that the nav and movie cant be active while in motion. I can take care of myself and dont need Toyota or any other manufacturer or government agency to do that for me. Recently, we decided to find a restaurant whose name we knew but not the location. We pulled over on the highway in order to do a search. That was certainly more hazardous than having the passenger use the system while in motion.. Who dreams up these rules..... Must have too much time on their hands. -G.M.

Once I hit agree, the manufacturer should be absolved of all responsibility for drivers who use their features irresponsibly -C.B.

I purchased a new 2006 Toyota Sequoia Limited with the navigation system option. I am one of the Toyota buyers who have been left out in the cold with the navigation system lockout feature (no override capability). This alleged “safety” feature has not only become an inconvenience but also a safety concern by forcing me at times to pull off the highway to access the navigation system, which puts me in danger of being rear-ended by another vehicle. I also feel I was deceived because the lockout feature and lack of override capability was not disclosed to me when I purchased the vehicle. This would have been a determining factor in my decision on whether or not to purchase the navigation system option in my vehicle. -E.S

Actually I have Toyata Highlander Limited with Navigation. I don't like the idea to stop and put the new directions. What they were thinking? Bad bad bad.... -M.S.

we own a 2005 Sienna and 95% of the time there are 6 people in the car because we use it for road trips, meaning that 5 other people should be capable of using the navigation system. for toyota to impose a block on the navigation system is ridiculous and had we known this, we would have without a doubt bought the honda odyssey instead. -S.G.

Because of the current NAV system and the inability to use simple functions while driving I will never own another Toyota product. -K.Z.

My wife, as passenger, always ran the NAV system, looked for motels and used her cell phone to arrange the lodging as we went down the road. She can do that in the Mercedes, but not in the Toyota car! Guess which we'll buy next time! I have no problem with the idea that the driver shouldn't mess with the Toyota terrible NAV interface while driving, but the designer completely forgot about the passenger. Maybe Toyota should forget about the designer or the lawyer who came up with the half-solution. -B.N.

why have a navi system if I can't use it! -S.S.

I am so sick of not being able to change inputs on my nav while driving. Its crazy that i have to stop on he side of the road to manipulate my GPS, with my wife sitting in the passenger seat. -G.M.

I have a 2008 4Runner Limited with navigation. Having to pull over in the dead of night in an area unfamiliar so the system can allow an address to be inputed is ridiculous. I would not have spend an extra 3K for the navigation system if I had known this problem was going to be ever present. -G.R.

I had an 2007 Acura MDX a great car wanted to save gas and go with the 2009 Camery Hybryd. Love the car but the navagation not only can not be used by my wife to find places while driving it does not even take us to the right location sometimes 2 to 3 blocks off. we do a lot of traveling but seems that the $120 Tomm Tom does much better. The navagation is the most important part for us very sorry we traded. -D.B.

I bought quickly being a long time Toyota/Lexus customer. Knowing the problems with the Nav system as I do today I would not have bought my new Sequoia. I just left the Lexus dealer in Carlsbad and they acted like it was my inability to use the Nav system. They said there Lexus customers loved the system. That's odd as they both use the same system. We were there looking at a new LS460 and needless to say we didn't buy. We will know probably buy a new Acura or BMW. -B.H.

To assure Lexus that the driver is not using the Nav system, why don't they have an override linked to the passenger seat. When the system senses a passenger sitting in the seat, the Nav system will allow on-screen modifications. The car already has this sensor which is used for the seat belts and passenger air bag. -P.C.

The lack of functionality and poor detailed coverage (Mid West) makes this Navi worthless! I have to use a portable aftermarket GPS system (Navigon 8100) to get the level of service required to make the GPS practically useful!!!!!!!!! -D.B.

I am travelling through Europe next month, if there is traffic ahead it can change my route, but to look at the route or to change it back when the traffic info is well out of date I have to stop on the motorway. How dangerous is that, stationary cars on motorways get hit by lorries etc, is that how Toyota would like me to end up, because If I die setting the satnav with fast moving traffic around me then I won't be back for another car, unless if the Hearse is a toyota -G.P.

I want to be free to use what I pay for the way I want to without restrictions. -J.M.

The saleperson told me that I could override the nab system if I knew that I couldn't I would haven't bought the car. -J.H.

I have owned and used many consumer GPS systems. Based on this, it never even crossed my mind that anybody would lock down the device. This is insane!! Other devices simply warn you of the danger. Why does Toyota feel it is their duty to enforce this? What’s next – blocking cell calls altogether? -M.H.

I need a link on how my passenger can use the sat nav while I am driving....very frustrating, and to be treated like an idiot every time I start the car is a pain in the A... -S.S.

I find it absurd that a passenger cannot access all of the menus of the navigation as if the vehicle is stopped. We would not have purchased this vehicle with navigation if I would have been aware of this. -D.S.

Outside of buying a Hybrid, the Navigation is the 2nd most important feature that I want to work properly. I thought something was wrong with my system. I have been unable to successfully program this system and it really disturbs me that my passenger is unable to use the navigation to navigate like people have done for many years. My system tells me that every address I attempt to navigate doesn't exist. I feel we should all be eligible for rebates on a system that is useless. Like others have said, I have a portable TomTom, however I wanted the convenience of the in dash system and not have to carry it out of the car or be worried someone would break into the car and steal it. They also claimed that the car was Sattellite ready, however you cannot control anything except the volume for the sattellite except by using the tuning dial and the Toyota dealership installed the . The ability to switch channels and display info for the channel on the AM/FM stereo does not allow you to control changing channels for the Satellite, however my GMC Sierra truck has that luxury why not on Toyota or do they improperly install the system? These are a disclosure issue that was not discussed at time of purchase or subsequent install of Satellite radio. If a buyer is willing to sign a waiver and be responsible for his own actions or inactions pertaining to the Navigation System, that should be all that is necessary for Toyota or any mfg or dealer to be held harmless for the responsible driver's actions. Thank you for spearheading this issue. -R.B.

It's ridiculous not to be able to use basic functions of the GPS while the car is moving, especially if there is a person in the passenger seat. I don't need anybody watching over me. An override should be mandatory so the individual can make up their own mind and make their own choices. -J.P.

Allow me to decide what is safe. That is, it is unsafe to stop on a busy road or pull off into a poorly lit area at night. My passenger can even use the device. Of course, things can be abused, but there is greater risk and aggravation by NOT having the feature available to us. Think about all of the people distracted by listening to the radio, engaging in conversation, and texting! Yet, it's somehow a danger to allow access to the navigation? Please join with your competitors in opening this up. ...or I'll join them. -B.S.

Maybe I'll get a Prius -B.L.

My 2008 Avalon navigation system is horrible. -P.H.

The lock out is annoying and potentially more dangerous, as I now have to stop, if I am at a stop light, have to stay stopped when the light is greem , while I frantically enter in the last few keystrokes before I begin moving again -B.W.

I feel like I wasted 2 grand. Thr Nav system is cumbersome and using the voice commands is a total waste of time. And the owners manual for the nav system is of no use at all. It is the worst written manual I've ever seen. Toyota should be ashamed. -G.B.

I have a Toyota Highlander 2009 Lmtd and this is absolutely insane for a car that retails at nearly $50k!!! -J.B.

why must i fill in extra info like vehicle type? those are not even toyota vehicle types. talk about big brother, why make these fields required? -K.J.

Toyota's Navigation package is awful! I feel it was false advertising to sell an expensive Navigation System to me without full disclosure concerning the new policy on the overide feature. I won't buy a Toyota ever again. I complained to the manager of the dealership and he said he is disappointed in it too. He said I am one of many who have complained to him concerning the lock-out feature of the Navigation System. I can't wait to get rid of this car! -D.T.

I agree that this is a foolish move by Toyota. While I also have a Garmin, the in car units generally have more utility, and you don't have to worry (as much) about hiding them, breaking a cable, etc. Auto manufacturers have to understand software distribution, and offer subscriptions, as Garmin is doing now. They also have to realize that their customers aren't idiots and can safely use nav/audio/phone capabilities without killing themselves and others. I'm considering performing a hack to override this "feature", warranty be damned! -J.T.

Brought a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid with the NAV package. The car is wonderful, but I did not know that I cannot use the Navigation System in motion, I always thought I could disable it. It is really irksome at times frustrating. I am really afraid someone is going to rear end me as I am trying to feed in that last bit of an address at the signal light as it turns green. I would have been much better off feeding the address while in motion. -B.B.

If I opt to have navigation in my car then I believe that it's my freedom of choice to choose my own destiny - tell me it's unsafe to operate the nav. while driving, but leave it at that? I'm old enough and wise to decide what's right and what's wrong in life. I would have bought an Infiniti if I knew that Toyotas nav. system sucked!! -I.D.

I was told by the salesperson that the override existed, otherwise I would not have purchased the option. I now use a Garmin which has better maps, navigation data, user interface and I can insert via points while driving or have my passenger operate it. The Nav option cost more than 10 times the Garmin. -J.L.

The Nav system is locked while I'm driving. I've owned several cars with in-dash GPS systems, and this is the first without an override. Very disappointed. Inconvenient. Spoils that new-car feeling. -D.L.

Navigation systems are designed to get you where you want to go, but also to help in an emergency. In some emergencies is NOT possible to pull over come to a complete stop and then go thru the process of programming the address. Toyota is not the navigation police. How I use the Nav is my business, not Toyota's. I understand they are trying to keep people from causing accidents and getting killed, but I am sure there is a better way. Have a passenger seat detection override or something like that. -L.B.

My wife's Honda has a GPS that works better than the one on my Highlander Hybrid. We plan to use the car to travel. I don't usually need the GPS around town, it is when we travel and my wife is in the car that we need the GPS. We hate the fact that Toyota locked us out of the computer so we cannot change the destination while underway. -S.D.

They should at least recognize that there is a passenger in the front seat and allow the nav system to work while moving. -D.R.

My husband just upgraded to the 2009 nav system from the one that came with my 2005 Sienna. ABSOLUTELY CANNOT believe there is not a workaround that allows the passenger to operate the nav system while driving!!! Will be returning this to the dealer and demanding our money back!~ -A.G.

I was lied to about the nav override -D.H.

Really annoying, would have bought a different vehicle -B.S.

A $99 GPS do better than the $40K price, Toyota you ripped me off, shame on you. -D.P.

folk's don't put pressure to toyota/lexus because the nav. s. : 1. no body is sup, to be doing any thing while driven. 2. voise is a better idea.don't u think. 3. tell honda.nissan, ford,etc. to make sure the secury system work if an accident happen,because the driver was entering an adress. to the nav, system. 4. engine,performanse,reputation for years, make a car company be one of the best. -D.V.

I bought 3 Prius's in 2008. I would never have bought them had I known they were this retarded in their thinking. -B.E.

Toyota is way off base!!! I can put my garmin plug it into my 12 volts recieve the WARNING! and go used it a lot on a trip to CA as a PASSENGER A top of the line 2008 Toyota Highlander that has all the equipment I paid for but doesn't work! Not Happy about it. Sad part is Toyota probably doesn't care cause if they did they would come up with a liability waiver and make it a workable option NOW! -A.B.

I can't believe. I bought an inferior product. I would have been better off if buying a $99.00 nav system instead. -R.C.

There is no reason that the passenger shouldn't be able to input data or use other features of the system. -K.B.

I really like my 2008 Toyota Prius, except for the fact that I paid for an expensive navigation device that I cannot use when my car's moving. If I had known that Toyota was going to limit my freedom by turning off these features when I needed them most, I would have simply bought a Garmin for my navigation device. Toyota, take heed, because there are thousands of formally loyal customers who will go somewhere else to find their dream car that allows them to do the things they want it to do, WHEN they want it done. We paid an extra thousand dollars or more for these features, we should be allowed to use them whenever we want!!! Either fix this problem and allow the USER to override the locked features, or be prepared to lose their business! -M.H.

Did not know when I bought car. I need a fix for this problem. -S.E.

It suckes. -M.O.

It's very annoying not be able to set or change the navi while the car is moving, not that I as the driver would, but my wife if she was with me. There have been many time that it would have helped immensely to have been able to adjust the system while moving. Please change this!!! -R.G.

Model is actually a Toyota Prius pkg 6 -G.P.

I wish I knew what a problem this would be before I bought the car. We now own a BMW, and this is not an issue. I purchased a aftermarket Nav. to use instead of the Lexus Nav. But what a waste .... Now I tell everyone considering a Lexus, and this is a big concern to them as well. Thanks for setting up this website. -M.G.

The alleged "navagation" system in the top of the line Toyota TUNDRA SUCKS!!!! Not only are the navagation problems present - it will not accept ANY of our cell phones for directory downloads - and I have a Motorola phone that is only a couple of months old. WHAT A CROCK!!! -G.D.

I was just trying to look for a different disc for my NAV system when I came across this sight. Wow! I thought it was something I was doing. It has my house address across the street. It has taken me down wrong streets, and has told me to go down the road and take a legal u-turn when I could have just turned across the median. I pull a travel trailer with my Tundra and I Google my destination at home, then travel. I can't afford to get stuck in a situation with my trailer behind me. I can't get it to erase past marked destinations, it has those little dots on my screen every time I turn it on. -K.B.

Had I known I could not program the NAV while in motion, I would not have bought the NAV package. I already had a portable Garmin Nuvi that is many times more functional and a fraction of the price. -J.D.

Toyota has been arrogant and refuses to aknowledge a problem but the dealer says they have lost sales because of the Nav system, Absolutely useless system. -P.D.

Please let me know if an override become available for a 2008 Prius -K.J.

major, major inconvenience. What a dumb thing to do. I would consider the hack or a software mod, because I like the car.
-L.R.

I would have probably bought the same vehicle but definitely without the NAV system. -C.S.

We have a lot of problems with the new Toyota Camry 2007, now we found that we new dvd, it is too expensive is crazy, the car is a lemon and now the only reason which we bought the car, is not working properly, definitely I feel like they stole my money, I fought for 6 months about my transmission and now my nav system is out-update , I this point I need to buy a second car, I am not going to buy lexus or toyota the business practices are not very honest. -G.S.

I purchased a 2009 Toyota with Navigation and was disappointed to learn, after the sale, of the motion lock. The dealer was actually fairly accomodating and did agree to install an after market bluetooth at no cost. However, I would not have purchased the car, and as a buyer who enjoys the convenience and appearance of a built in navigation system, I have purchased my last Toyota until this feature is removed. -W.D.

lockout for my own protection? -J.G.

I am tired of Gov't and now private enterprise thinking that they must make decisions for me. I am a responsible adult and know when it is unsafe for me to enter Navigation searches while driving. Why can't my passenger have the ability to safely enter it while moving? -G.W.

I navigate while my husband drives. I have to carry a portable GPS now to look for restaurants, motels, etc. while we are driving because Toyota doesn't trust us to be sensible while driving. This is ridiculous. -K.W.

I am so disappointed that Toyota sells a car with disabled features. Why did I spend the extra money for something that doesn't work. This lockout feature is more of a hazard than a safety item. Can't tell you how frustrated in Toyota implementing this feature. If Toyota does not come up with a work-around I will never buy another Toyota product. What's even worse is that even when I have a passenger in the car they cannot use the features. What knuckle-head came up with this idea? Toyota virtually sold me a product that doesn't work! -J.P.

I own a 2007 Toyota Camry XLE. I need to preface my remarks by saying that I grew up in a General Motors family. My father was one of their best salesmen, with performance records that still stand nearly 30 years later. Eventually his success allowed him to become an owner of the dealership where he was employed. In my family owning an "un-American" car was not permitted - ever. My, how things have changed! In the 80s and 90s I watched Detroit produce and sell wreck after wreck, and dare us to complain. You see, they were so arrogant that they were certain they could control everything when it came to the consumer - even their opinions. Well that just isn't the case and sadly the Japanese manufacturers are on the same slippery slope Detroit once traveled. And now the Koreans who are listening to consumers are quickly filling the customer expectation void, just as the Japanese did to the American car industry. After I towed my last new American car back to the dealership in 88 - I have never looked back. I have not regretted buying Japanese and German cars for the past 20 years but it seems that may soon change. I absolutely love my Camry because it does everything well. The V6 and 6 speed transmission are well matched, delivering unbelievable performance and fuel mileage. All aspects of the car are highly refined….well…except for the Nav/Radio setup. I will admit I am a techie so I love my gadgets. The voice control on the Nav/Radio combination leaves room for a great dea.... -J.B.

I actually have a 2007 4Runner with a Gen. 5 nav. system. In an quasi-emergent scenario, it would be really great to access the nav to get me where I want to go! -B.L.

Why can't I override the navigation!!!!! Its ridiculous to not even have a choice. -N.C.

Total nonsense to have to stop to get directions -H.H.

I own and use a portable GP system (a Magellan 750), which I normally only took on travel to use in Rental Cars. Beacuse either my wife or my brother-in-law normally sits in the front seat with me while I drive, one of them operates the GPS System while I pay attention to driving. Of course I was shocked that there was no bypass in my 2008 Lexus RX350. As a result I drive around using my Magellan in my Lexus, how useless is that —to have an expensive GPS system, but have to override it with a plug-in personal GPS because you Toyota wants to play God. Take a lesson from American law:all condoms are labeled"Sold only for the prevention of disease." You can't sue if your girl gets pregnant! Print on your GPS:"Sold only for use while stationary." Then get out of the way, and let individuals decide when to use it. -C.R.

i was specifically told there was an override for the navigation!!!!!! i have voiced my complaint several times to my dealer and have received stupid coupons in return. I dont want a coupon, or a free oil change, or even a thousand free oil changes!! I WANT MY NAVIGATION SYSTEM THAT I PAID FOR! -M.M.

MDX, she usually enters the destination while Im drivin. Just bought an 09 Venza 2 days ago, hated the NAV coz of this reason. Its toooo intrusive!!!! -J.R.

I have a portable Garmin for my other car. It is better in so many ways as compared to the GPS in the Camry Hybrid. One of the main features I miss is the ability of the passenger to make entries while moving. -M.S.

Removing the override option was a terrible disservice to Toyota customers. It's crazy to deny customers this feature when a passenger can safely search and program. I would guess that this denial of seervice causes more ire, cursing and unsafe driving than would providing the function to all with the recognition that a few unthinking drivers will use it themselves while in motion. -S.H.

The inability to use the GPS on the move is incredibly annoying. I spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get the GPS to work while my wife drove and was still unable to do so. This is more distracting to the driver than actually operating the GPS. Usually when we need to find a location while traveling, we are unable to conveniently pull over - especially in city rush hour traffic. I have another brand of GPS on my motorcycle and am able to use it quite safely. Corporate queasiness at allowing consumers to decide how to use products is obnoxious and arrogant. GIVE ME MY OPTION! -E.R.

Please fix this nag software. It is counterproductive. -J.V.

This is outrageous. How can Toyota decide when we can use equipment in our car? They should have told buyers before buying the Nav. system. What a waste of money. I want an override! -N.C.

pissed me off -A.W.

Just purchased 2008 4Runner limited with Nav...and now cannot use nav if going above 5 mph. Wife cannot input any address while we are lost in middle of nowhere. Sort of defeats the purpose of Nav. Would not have bought vehicle if known ahead of time. UNREAL. -G.R.

I just bought my Highlander and find it very confusing to get started with the phone set up and naviation tool. It's very frustrating. -F.P.

I feel it is upto the driver to be safe and not for a random feature. This only causes more harm than it would have otherwise. -C.V.

I just purchased a 09 Sienna and Love it until I tried overriding the NAV for my wife (Passenger seat) and I am pissed off! I would have purchased the Honda Oddesey if I had known. -W.C.

If Toyota really feels this is necessary ... they should warn the customer before they buy! This is one of the most annoying so called feature I have ever seen. I am definitely calling customer service to complain. -P.P

I concur with most here. I need to have my passenger be able to change destinations on the move. I had not realized how counterintuitive the system was when I bought the car (2008 Sequoia). My wife uses a tom tom in the Sequoia as it is much faster, more detailed, and has an updatable chip. I am not surprised by Toyota pulling this one as they always seem behind the rest in creature comforts but lead on vehicle construction. I could have saved a bundle by buying a limited. By the way have the engineers at denso not heard of IPODS. The interface is truly stoneage compared to what is available in fords or GM's. Perhaps using microsofts interface or even contracting with tom tom or garmin could help toyota enter the modern era. -P.D.

Toyota sales was misleading on this. I would not have purchased my 2009 Prius had I known the Nav and Bluetooth phone book could not be used while I am driving. -D.P.

I'm so upset to think I got mislead by Lexus. I feel they should reimburse me for the navigation system. I traded a car that had it and that option was very important to me. If I was informed properly I would have never bought this Lexus. -R.P.

this is just nonsense. Toyota puts in all these features in your vehicle and you cannot even use it. Last toyota I will ever buy! -T.S.

NAV and bluetooth SUCK in Toyota. I also have a 2008 Mercedes E350 which I love driving and using. I bought a 2008 Tundra Limited for hauling real estate signs and personal stuff around... love the truck, hate the NAV and bluetooth. -J.M.

HATE IT! CAN'T USE NAV SYSTEM WHILE CAR IS IN MOTION -- EVEN IF IT'S A PASSENGER TRYING TO RESET OR CHANGE ROUTE! ON TRIPS WE ARE NOW TAKING A TOM TOM WITH US -- MUCH MORE RELIABLE MAPS AND MORE USER FRIENDLY! WILL NEVER BUY AN IN-DASH NAV SYSTEM WITH TOYOTA (OR LEXUS) AGAIN. HAVE ALREADY TOLD ALL FRIEND AND FAMILY TO AVOID AS WELL -B.D.

My wife has a "loaded" Acura with Navigation system so when it was time for me to purchase my new truck, the navigation system was a must. Unfortunately, the first time we took a road trip and needed to search for a place to eat dinner, we learned that my wife couldn't program the navigation system while the truck was moving. There we were, on a freeway with no way of using our navigation system!!!! I had to pull my truck off the freeway AND find somewhere safe to pull off the road so my wife could program the navigation system. This little detour costs us more than 20 minutes with two starving and crabby kids in the back seat. Needless to say, we were NOT happy!! I would still purchase my truck because it was what I wanted in every other respect, but I would save my money on the expensive upgrade and spend less than $200 on a portable Garmin that would actually be usable when I need it!! -M.M.

This info should have been Disclosed up front, I then would not have bought the Nav system and gone with an aftermarket one. -B.L.

The navigation system is lame. -C.S.

My wife can't use the bluetooth phone nor set navigation destinantions whilst I drive! Seems pretty stupid to cripple the system so nobody can use it whilst moving. -A.M.

Very annoyed. -N.B.

BRAND NEW (delivered 3 weeks ago) Camry XLE with Nav system so old, doesn't even have addresses in my home town that have been here for YEARS!!! Ejected disc and it says 2007-2008 edition...... DON'T THINK SO -J.C.

Unfortunate that Toyota doesn't trust the owner's of products to use them responsibly. -M.S.

This navigation system should, at least , be usable while in motion by the passenger. There are cars that are currently being manufactured that allow usage of the navigation system while moving. The next car I purchase will be one of those. -J.A.

I hate it. -W.W.

I think it is ridiculous! Toyota's concern with legal issues shouldn't be a problem if they just have us sign something that says we won't sue them or something similar. -J.E-L.

This is really a stupid issue. What good is a navigation system if you cannot use it on the run, especially on long trips with other people in the vehicle. I was not made aware of this issue till after I bought the car. I would have gotten a $200 TomTom if I had known. Please find a fix for this issue. -F.B.

This stinks... its annoying and its short sighted. It basically makes the navigation system useless. They should put out an update to the software to override this...and it should be free. -R.K.

Toyota Nav. system is junk and needs to be fix a Gramin 200 blows it away. Toyota needs to fix it or give us our money back for Nav. system -O.J.

Taking away these features does not make the vehicle safer it just aggravates the heck out of me. Why not make the seatbelt automatically lock you in. Why not allow radio station changes while driving? Where does it stop!!! -F.P.

Bought a 2007 Tundra Limited with the E7013 Navigation & Rear Camera - Travel quite a bit and it is a major problem not having these controls while on the road. -J.M.

Unable to use toyota navigation system while driving. -R.B.

Toyota sucks, Why do they do this!-C.D.

I recently bought a 2003 Matrix XRS with the Toyota nav system. The display only works intermittently. Because it is integrated with the radio, cd etc it is really bothersome and distracting to me, the driver. Initially, I thought it my be a wiring problem, but based on it's operation/non-operation, I have determined the issue is related to the navigation component and the processing done in the integrated unit when attempting to use the navigation system. This is my first Toyota (i have owned Nissan products before the matrix) and never had these problems with any onboard system!!! I really regret purchasing a toyota and wish they wouldn't market systems they have not fully tested and debugged!!! -M.G.

Doesn't make much sense to me to have a NAV system that cannot be modified on the fly in case you get lost. Isn't that the whole reason to have one? Pulling over to the side on congested highways is dangerous and unnecessary for something that should not function this way. -T.M.

I would like it fixed. -S.O.

I am very unhappy about this. Not only does it prevent the passenger from changing our destination it forces an unacceptable change in driving habits.

UNBELIEVABLY BAD SYSTEM. I PAID 1600 DOLLARS TO ADD THIS SYSTEM AND I COULD HAVE SPENT 400 DOLLARS AND GOTTEN A BETTER GARMIN UNIT.

Just bought a 2009 Sienna Limited. I was assured from the salesperson that an override was available, so I purchased the vehicle. I completely agree - Toyota is not my mother and they had fraudulently modified MY vehicle.

The elimination of this override is a disgrace. I traded in my Acura TL with Nav to get this hybrid. What a mistake that was.

The present 2009 Navigation lockout is extremely dangerous. Toyota engineers use your reasoning/common sense and you will realize this. If you are afraid of being sued, have a release signed at purchase releasing Toyota from any responsibility of navigation related incidents. I will never buy another Toyota again and will discourage others from buying Toyota. I have a Honda Odyssey & am able to do anything with my nav system while driving and I have never come close to an accident. However I have with my Prius due to the non functioning while driving.

I believe we should have the option to have the passenger to be able to use the option of inputting the info for the navigation. Without this option many people may detract from buying the toyota just for the simple fact that the feature is taken off.

Passenger should be able to operate the navigation system while the driver operates the vehicle.

I would very much enjoy removing the case of my nav system, and randomly attaching a couple of leads from a 12v battery to random parts of the PCB until the magic black smoke was let out of every chip. Easily would be the worst NAV I have ever used, if of course I could actually use it.

I guarantee you this is a BIG part of the reason Toyota/Lexus is losing so much money this quarter (Fall 2008). Hey Toyota, YOU DESERVE IT!!! How much $$$ do you have to lose before you get it? Ever wonder why you have so many vehicles parked on your dealers lots? If I knew this was the case before I bought it, the one I have would still be on the dealers lot. And the fact that my selling dealer did not inform me of it lets me know what kind of dealer they are! I will definitely be telling all my friends AND acquaintance's about LARRY MILLER TOYOTA/TOYOTA and anyone I hear of even THINKING about purchasing a Toyota, and they will probably tell all THEIR freinds and acquaintance's who will tell all THEIR freinds and acquaintance's.... Do you get it Toyota? Sign me up for the class action suit! $$$ is all they understand!

I AGREE SCREEN IS AN INSULT TO ME. PASSENGER OPTION TO INPUT ADDRESSES IS A NECESSARY PART OF TRAVEL. GUESS TOYOTA/LEXUS WANTS US TO GO BACK TO USING MAPS IN THE PASSENGER SEAT! WHAT A JOKE

System is in my opinion absolutely useless. Am currently using a Garmin nuvi 200w that I paid $119.95 and have suction cup mounted to the front of the Toyota Nav screen.

I think they should re-enable the override feature!!!

This is a ridiculous situation. In my new 2009 Toyota Camry, I am unable to use the phone, or use the Navigation while moving. What would possess Toyota to do this? If I had known about this I would never have bought the car.

Send a Toyota represetative to Garmin to learn how to design a GPS system. This is the least user friendly GPS I have used. The screen resolution is terrible. Toyota has essentially negated the advantage of GPS with a system that requires one to be stopped to use it. We can change radio stations! We can use "Speed Dial", but we can't dial a number or enter an address. Terrible! Learn to spell....U-S-E-R F-R-I-E-N-D-L-Y

Not being able to use the GPS and blue tooth while driving creates a genuine road hazard for other vehicles. I would not have purchased this vehicle had I known that to use a costly and helpful system required the vehicle to obstruct traffic and pull to a complete stop. This is a simple softward fix that could be offered to all owners who desire to use it. If not they can decline.

Bought a 45K Hybrid Highlander to find out that the Navigation unit is a piece of shit. I can operate a GPS system. Now I have almost been in 5 accidents while attempting to pull over; often frustrated. Im done with Toyota if they don't fix this issue.

I find it very frustrating that my wife cannot enter addresses or search for a restaurant, etc. with the vehicle in motion. My daughter can use her nav system in her Honda. I understand the safety issue of a lone driver trying to enter info when the car is moving, but why not have a means of knowing someone is in the passenger seat? The passenger side airbag is activated with someone sitting in the passenger seat. Why not have that same pressure sensor linked to the nav system?

when i bought the system i didnt know all off the limitations on the nav unit which doubles as the radio. they should've had a plug that charges and reads the ipod they have on their cheaper cars why not the highlander 2008 limited. also they disabled the cd changer playlist so u cant check out the playlist this sucks when you start driving u cant see whos calling cant see the playlist or anything wats the use of having controls if u cant usee them.

no use of nav. while driving

Handheld and 3rd party Nav units are leapfrogging toyota in price, performance, convenience and value. Toyota nav will no longer be relevant if this keeps up (and I would argue it's barely relevant now the way it is). I own a 2005 XLE limited; it is my first and last nav unit from toyota unless things change drastically. (Ed: Toyota owns 23% of Denso, the manufacturer of the current Toyota software, so they have hundreds of Millions of reasons to keep this software. There is no competition when they own their suppliers and this is what results.)

The Internal Navigation system features are totally useless when travelling. Being it is illegal to pull over on the Turnpike unless an emergency, I must exit the turnpike in order to stop and look for places to eat or hotels. I only learned about this after I purchased the vehicle. BIG MISTAKE!

I own a 2006 Toyota Highlander and I upgraded the navigation to Ver 7 and lost the override. The car I loved now sucks.

Get with the program! Handheld GPS units are leapfrogging in-dash devices in features, convenience, price and performance. Toyota, fix this problem now or in-vehicle nav on a Toyota will be the one option I never again consider. I have a 2005 XLE Limited with built-in nav--it is my first and last nav unit from Toyota unless they improve drastically. Meanwhile, I'm considering replacing it completely with an aftermarket unit.

Unsafe at best. Easier to use paper map as you can refer to it when you are driving and stopped at a light. Why bother having a navigation system. Why hire engineers if you let lawyers design the car.

To not be able to use the nav unit while driving more than 5 mph is ridiculous. I can “take my eyes off the road” to tune the radio and even change CDs while going 50 mph but not to finish typing an address when stuck in stop and go traffic going 5 or 6 mph. The average human walks at around 4 to 5 mph. At least bump up the disabling of the nav unit to around 10 mph!!! However, ideally my passenger should be able to use the feature to look for food while on trips without me getting off highways (and paying higher tolls due to it) or pulling to the shoulder (which is sometimes illegal and very dangerous). Simply enable it when the passenger seatbelt is buckled…it’s a no brainer!

This is ridiculous - too many restrictions, the passenger can't even locate something. This is one of the poorest Nav systems I have seen. My Acura MDX was much better and it was a 2001, not a 2008. Come on Toyata fix this NOW!

Definitely would not have waited months and bought this car had I known I paid for features I couldn't use. It is more dangerous the way it is set up now. Features shouldn't be sold to the consumer that isn't available to use!!!!!!!!!!

I do not want the maker of my automobile acting as my mother. Let ME save me from myself.

It is also very frustrating to have to push the "agree" button EVERY time I start the truck (2007 Tundra) in order to get away from the "Lawyer Screen" and to the map. They need a few less lawyers at Toyota!

Lack of ability to access navigation system while moving is absurd. I vote for a class action law suit. I was not notified of this feature when I purchased my car.

They should bring back the override. Im thinking of purchasing a Garmin.

The assumption by Toyota that the driver is the only person using the nav system is ridiculous. To have this restriction when moving is saying "Driver you are not smart enough to know when you should or shouldn't use the nav system, so we are going to prevent anyone from using it." Why not do the same for the dangerous radio? Does anyone have the number of the closest Acura dealership?

Have to stop or restore to over estimating the location and then double back after I input the address.

Toyota needs to allow an over-ride to permit input to the Nav system while in motion.

It sucks, would not have bought the navigation system at the very least.

I think it sucks, and I wouldn't have bought this car, if I knew. When I phoned the Toyota dealer to ask about it, they said they never heard of this.. This I cannot believe. I would definately not reccommend a friend to Toyota because of this... AND only because of this, because up to now, I really enjoyed my Toyota, but I cannot use my navigation system at all.. simply because it's such a nuisance to stop and punch in. I agree with all the negative publicity... this is really a bad move on Toyota's part. I was once a real supporter of this car maker

I would love to be able to input desti while moving, or have a passenger do it, but they CANT. the I agree button SUCKS and the placement couldnt be worse!

Would like to know how to bypass it

I was "really" excited about getting my new car, esp with all the traveling I hoped to do. Then....... I thought the darn thing was broken? I started doing research on it, and then I got REALLY Upset... (putting it politely!) This darn thing has messed up EVERY trip I have taken and it just SITS there staring at me... I HATE it... Thank you for this website...... I sure wish there was an update we could install to fix this sucker.... it SUCKs big-time!

cant say it in words, but sure can curse out all toyota maintenace people.

I did not hire Toyota to protect my from myself. Sort of like buying a kitchen knife and then discovering that the sheath cannot be removed so I am protected from hurting myself. What profound stupidity!

If I had known how crappy this gps is I would not have gotten the package with it.

My vehicle is an Auris (European Corolla like). I am also very upset about this stupidity that phone and navigation cannot be operated during motion. If Toyota want to make sense about safer driving (GPS is helping to a safer driving) and if they want to make sense about blocking operation, they should have considered going ALL the way in a logical sense, doing this by maintaining the blocking when driver is alone in the car, but allowing operation as soon as passenger seat is occupied (a very simple sensor they could build in). Toyota – wake up, you have tried making a safe solution but instead you have done the opposite. Or even easier – leave a gate open in the operation that allows user to deactivate the blocking – of course with a message to user that it is under his responsibility.

Absolutely hate the navi when parked. The passenger is helpless to do the navi for the driver. What a waste. If anyone figures out how to bypass this, please let me know. Shame on Toyota

It's very annoying.

It is incredibly frustrating that my passenger cannot operate the system. It has been absolutely useless to me. What an incredible waste of money.

I consider My 2009 Prius Navigation with lockout to be very dangerous. It causes my attention to be on hurry & stop & hurry to put in info constantly and not be aware of my driving. Being used to the Honda Nav system (very superior to the Toyota system) that does not have lock out, I find my self or passenger always trying to input info when traveling.

Toyota/Lexus should link the front passenger seat airbag sensor to the NAV system so that the override function will kick in, allowing the passenger to input information into the navigation system.

Why even bother with Nav if a passenger can't look for something while the car is moving? We used a simple nav system on our phone during vacation, and the changes were endless. I can't imagine having to stop on the 75 mph interstate each and every time we needed to look for a hotel or restaurant. We are VERY disappointed in this software!

Extremely upset. At least let me pick from previous inputs while driving. As a mobile service technician who gets calls on the road, this is a very annoying feature. Its also particularly annoying when I have a passenger in the car and can't have him or her enter information, but instead have to pull over. Yes, there are idiots out there who will try to do something long and complicated, not looking up from the screen, while hurtling down the highway at 80mph, but these are also the people who text while driving, or read while driving, or even drink then drive. Point is, most of us can handle using one safely and don't need excessive intrusion in the form of a navigation system that can't be used while moving. Not to mention that there are countless audio and radio screens to get lost in while i motion that HAVEN'T been disabled.

I specifically didn't buy the MDX because the GPS was locked into "safe mode". The Toyota dealer swore up and down that the Highlander didn't suffer from the same limitations - WRONG!!! This is a crazy, stupid limitation - Even if it defauled to safe mode, it should at least give the user the ability to change it - all Garmin products have this ability. Stupid, absolutely stupid!!!!!

This is simply bad business.

Very, very annoying. for example, the bluetooth connection to my phone drops after every call. i must pull over and manually reconnect my phone every time.

I specifically asked the Toyota salesperson before purchasing and I was falsely told that the desination could be changed while in motion.

This lock is ridiculous when the passenger cannot operate the system.

There should be an over ride even if its through the passenger seat sensor so that the passenger can use the features

2009 Corolla with built-in GPS. The decision to place the unit in a locked out mode during driving is horrible. I honestly could not recommend this option to anyone.

This feature really detracts from the inclusion of a GPS. It really is only a 10% features ie when stationery!

I spoke to Toyota customer service today. They offered no help except to say that I should check with the dealer where I purchased it and maybe they would disable the "safety" feature. I have a 08 Sequoia. I have worked as a tech for Toyota and Lexus since 94. I did not know you couldn't override the newer systems. I currenty own a repair shop specializing in Lexus and Toyota and will be informing all of our customers about this. I have made several calls to people I know at the dealers to see what they can find out. I will be glad to share any information I get.

This needs to be addressed.

It seems to be a great feature offered but then is only halfway made available to actually use when needed the most.

I have a 2009 Prius, the site will not let me select Toyota vehicles? So I'm very dissappointed in this feature, we love our new car however are completely blown away by this lack of ability to use the NAV while driving. Our Acura MDX works great while driving! So do many other vehicles we are in and this is just not right. NAV is way too expensive in dash to be restriced to the use. I definitely almost caused an accident the first time I discovered this issue and pulled off the road. If it would just let me scroll through and select a destination quick I could keep moving and do both at the same time with no issues. I get the point of the restriction but it's not realistic and until the local police tell me I can't use it then Toyota should not. They need to upgrade the software asap via recall.

This is ridiculous. I have to look at my phone to make calls instead of the screen which is unsafe and I am forced to pull over on the highway to use my nav. Unsafe!!!

It is a major problem and limitation. Why cannot my passenger use the system? The voice activation sucks.

Please tell me that there is some progress being made to get an override for this...

Why take away features. Make them all voice activated if it is a safety feature. I have to pull over just to find food near me. That makes no sense. I'm lost, and I have to pull over to get newer direction. I might as well ask for directions.

Requiring a pullover for the passenger to enter data is not only very frustrating but DANGEROUS in situations I've found myself in. PLEASE provide an override!

We have had the honda nav system - perfection! But the car has too much road noise! I always program the nav while my husband drives. We were told up front that our Camery couldn't be fussed with while driving, we were willing to put up with it! Major pain and am looking for the overide feature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To prohibit my girlfriend from looking for waypoints from the passenger seat while traveling is almost as ridiculous as her not being able to adjust the rear dvd player for her special needs son who has trouble doing it himself. We were not informed of either of these idodic restrictions when I purchased the vehicle and I feel very strongly that I have been taken by Toyota. I would either like a Toyota supplied disk to remedy this inconvnience or a refund for these useless options.

I am not a child. I do not want my access to features restricted because Lexus feels that way

The idea that you cannot use your Nav or your phone while the car is in motion is retarded. That's supposed to be the point, convenience. My previous two cars had nav and voice control phone and you could do everything. They were Mercedes and worked flawlessly. There better be a service update or hack that fixes this. I will never buy another toyota if they don't fix this and I will certainly spread the word to everyone I know about this.

I am in Australia and have a Sahara. (top range LC). Don't get me started on all the things that are missing, compared to the US model! DVD picture I can understand, but I would still override it if I could. Phone- I'll have to do a lot of voice programming but I can can get around it. MP3 info - Why can't I see the folders and full info while driving. It is easy to read the whole thing in a glance and no more of a distraction than anything else on the screen. GPS - Damn nuisence to have to stop to program the thing. It's easier to grab the phone, run TomTom and find a destination than to pullover to do it. And on that note, why are the maps such rubbish. TomTom have a great map and we can load cameras, McDonalds and any other POI from the Net. The Sensis map for Oz is 5GB for some reason and has limited info on it. I'm getting used to it and I have dedicated daytime to study the devices and night to study the manuals for the next 3 months. Sahara's aren't cheap. I am determined to learn all it's functions. Otherwise I would have bought a GXL and a larger TomTom. Great car with a few issues. I am sure good overrides will be available. If you find em, post em here.

This is unacceptable and the software needs to be changed. I spent all this money and I hardly use the built in and take my portable with me. My wife usually does the inputing as I drive. Now we have to pull over. When you are on the highway that is a safety risk, if you are lost and in a bad area your life can be at risk etc. I wonder if something happened as a result of this if Toyota could be sued. It really is so ridiculous that they did this. I hope a good lawyer can come up with something to make them change the program. Toyota should offer it and have the owner sign a waiver so they would be off the hook.

I actually own 2 new Toyotas. A 2008 Sequoia Limited and a 2009 Matrix S, both have factory Nav systems. I also own a 2006 Nissan Murano with a Garmin aftermarket Nav system and a 2001 Porsche Boxster with a aftermarket in-dash Nav system and never had a problem operating these aftermarket systems that allow moving inputs. I wont say that this issue would prevent me from purchasing a new Toyota, but I would prefer this to be a choice as opposed to none.

We hate this so much on my car that when we bought a new car for my wife we bought a Acura MDX. It works ALL the time so we let my car sit at home and use hers anytime we go anywhere. If it is a safety issue and we can't be trusted to be careful why do they allow us to be able to exceed the speed limit. I won't own another Toyota product until they get their heads out of their butts. I am all for a class action suit. I live in Madison County IL where most class action suits are filed so if anyone wants to pursue it let me know.

I paid for the nav system ... I should be able to use it the way I want to use it within applicable law!

The GPS unit on the 2008 Highlander LMTD is unusable. We would not have purchased the car with a navigation system if we had realized the limitations to its use. We are telling all our Highlander owning friends (7) not to upgrade to a newer model until they are sure this issue has been addressed or to avoid Toyota products altogether.

I love my 08 Camry and for the most part it's navigation system. Unlike many of the people who have posted here I think the navigation system is state of the art. It is much better than the system in my wife's Mercedes. There is a problem though. The fact that you can not use the system while driving is problematic. If you need to find a gas station while on the highway forget it, unless you are on a route. Anything less, like finding a restaurant, its not happening. This applies to the other functions too, like making phone calls. The solution, dialing on the cell phone keypad, much more dangerous than using the large numbers on the nav display. Im sure everyone does the same. I know there are voice commands but they not user friendly and therefore not used. I realize this is a safety feature but the good intentions fall short. A passenger can not use the system either. The car knows when ther is a passenger as the airbag system displays an icon, but still the navigation system wont work when the car is in motion. This nav system is not cheap. My desire, the ability to override the system in my car. My car is wonderful, much better than the Honda. I wouldn't advise others to buy a different car but I would advise them against paying for the navigation system as is.

I own a Camry Hybrid and purchased a 2008 GX but the Navi override is really starting to irk me.

My garmin treats me as an adult. I don't need Mother Toyota to hold my hand when I drive my car. Also, there navigation solutions suck. We drove from Salem Or to Ashland Or. The Navigation solution wanted to take us off of I-5 into the back woods of Oregon. A four hour trip would have been 8 hours.

This change is unnecessary, obtrusive, and potentially dangerous.

too many damn lawyers and sue-happy people in this country

I think that it is ridiculous that you spend $2000 on a navigation system that is not as good as a protable unit for $200. The unit does not have near enough roads and turn by turn for the price you pay. Again the $200 portable will get you wherever you want and the $2000 in dash makes you figure out on your own half the time.

Very inconvenient to have to pull over or wait for a red light to find a location.

A (Ed: previously) great company is making a bad name for itself.

will not buy another toyota until fixed, If I'm hit while pulled over Toyota should be liable.

Even though my vehicle is a 2004 LS 430 the navigation system was upgraded to the 6.1 version. Too bad. I didn't know that there was an "override" available, or I would not have had the 6.1 version installed. Can I contact my dealer to see if the override is available, or will Lexus/Toyota notify me?

IT'S LIKE OWNING A TV WHERE YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE CHANNELS.

Have had this annoyance since my 2002 LS. Now, I find that my new Camry Hybrid won't even show the caller ID number if the car is in motion. Toyota is out of control.

please please renable the gps feature while driving!

Toyota did not advise me about the navigation lockout when I was buying the 2008 Highlander. I would have purchased the Acura MDX instead.

I think it's a ridiculous and should be corrected, but I knew before I bought.

the navigation system is unusable

The navigation system is worthless. We hardly ever use it because it is too restrictive and quite frankly dangerous to use. My wife and I travel together all the time and she is unable to make trip changes when she is not driving. We spent over a thousand dollars for an option that we can not use. We will never by a Toyota again and can't wait to get rid of this one.

it's my choice to override the nav,

Please change the override option. Very inconvenient and not necessary.!!!

Lexus needs to restore the navigation system overide!

I cannot stand the fact that my front seat passenger cannot type in an address to search while I am driving. That was the whole point of me paying extra for the built-in navigation system! I need to input addresses and points of interest without stopping!

Absolutely ridiculous! I'd have absolutely not bought this vehicle, had I been aware of this limitation. Is this crazy policy perpetuated with the redesigned 2008 model year Land Cruisers?!? Give us override!

While I checked "would not have bought the car if I knew", what I really would have done is have an aftermarket unit installed. I am furious at Toyota for not disclosing this major limitation of the system.

2008 Toyota Tundra. This is a pain. And not only does it lock out the nav, it turns off the cell phone timer, speed dials, and caller ID while in motion. I knew about the lockout going into the vehicle, but didn't think it'd bother me this much. It does. My friend's Honda has full nav control.

Hello. I´m from Spain and my name is Michael. First of all, I wish express my apologize cause my English skill is not good. I´m writting this letter because I know how to access into the system of new Auris navigator. Just press (and hold pressed) the button "info", at same time switch lights on, and turn off. Repeat this three times, and you can access into the secret menu. It permits pump up the volume of your micro when you´re using the bluetooth, but, I´m sure is possible crack down the override, but, sorry, I don´t understood it. If some one try and gets it... Please, send a mail. (Ed: That does access the diagnostic page, but the override is gone...)

I don't like that the passenger can't use the nav while the vehicle is moving.

For a company that makes such a good product... this is really a stupid stupid move. Taking away our freedom to use the auto and its technology as we see fit is UnAmerican. Toyota should fix this issue and start rebuilding its loyal customer base.

disappointing

I want my money back!

I understand why Toyota did this, but they completely forgot that a passenger can safely do inputs while the vehicle is in motion. Have they thought about the danger of making people exit the freeway to input some place to eat?

do not like the inability to use the map or at least have the passenger be able to use the map while in motion. Unit does not recognize street numbers and updates to the dvd are hard and expensive to come by.

It sucks!

What is the legal, warranty non-voiding solution?

I have owned toyota's for many years and had great success. I accepted their navigation system on my new 4Runner pretty much on faith and feel I was blindsided by how truly awful it is. What a worthless peace of $hit! I will not buy another toyota until they correct the problem and maybe not ever..

I am very disappointed with this. I already had an external nav system but I wanted to get the built in system for a cleaner look. Now I have bought the expensive builtin system and still ahve to use the external Garmin system. A complete waste of money!

This is really annoying. Not only does my nav system suck including dialing a number so on and so forth, your site didn't have an option to enter MY vehicle, a 2008 Toyota Highlander.

Would be helpful if the front seat passenger could access navagation on the go.

We're equally annoyed that we can't access the Nav. while driving. We will probably buy a Garmin of some type since the Nav. is so annoying and not user friendly either.

Please check out this link. If you learn how to use your GPS system most of your annoyances could be eliminated. http://www.toyota-eshowroom.com/partner/ToyotaNavSienna/toyota_nav.html This address goes through a fairly comprehensive review of how you can use your GPS to select POIs and adresses WHILE DRIVING. Voice directions are available when driving/moving. As well, pressing the MENU button allows a list of currently available POIs to populate on the screen even when moving. This works in my 2008 Sienna. Maybe this is why there isn't an active law suit? (Ed: I am happy to hear it works for you, but I cannot get the voice recognition to work for Navigation or for dialing and I dictate for a living!)

In my opinion, this feature make it MORE dangerous, not less. For example, then on the phone in one of the ever popular automated menus, you are forced to fumble around with your handset to press the correct button to get to the desired party. Also, for some reason they hide the numbers on the speed dial menu, making it so you don't really know what number you are calling. In addition, if you are driving on the freeway and wish to navigate somewhere, you are forced to get off the freeway (perhaps in a bad neighborhood) and input the desired location, instead of having your passenger input it. Really Annoying!!! BTW: The form dosen't allow for Toyota Models. I have an 07 Tundra Limited

It sucks. I will trade in the prius and move to another hybrid.

The fact that I can't use the NAVI system on my van after paying $1,500 or more really pisses me off. I just assumed that the NAV worked like my Honda, buy that's a mistake I won't make twice.

I would not have paid for the navigation system if I knew it was not usable when driving. I have been doing this with my Garmin Nuvi and I did not know I was losing features.

I have a 2008 Highlander Sport with the Nav system from hell

Why have something like this?

I paid for the nav, phone, & radio & expect their features to always be available. They are on my BMW X-5. I was not told about these lockouts when I bought the car.

I will not buy another Toyota because of the NAV system 'bleep'-up. Having my wife use the NAV system in our TCH while I am driving was 95% of the reason for purchasing this package. Sign me for the Class Action Suit!! Keep me posted for any hacks.

This nav system on the 2008 Avalon Limited sucks........those little Garmins are better than this expensive system. Can't use it while travelling from passenger seat.....what a crock.

I think override is import for a family car. Passanger can help driver find the direction without stop the car. I think it is user's right for have override. Ower can make the decision base on his own risk.

My wife HATES this!!! Even in our older 2006, the override is a royal pain...a 4-5 step process before even being able to use it while driving. Nonsense. Please let the DRIVER decide about this, NOT Toyota.

Totally ridiculous that I have to stop to enter in directions!

I should be able to change my destination point while driving.

Toyota should make this right. I know about a hardware hack but is there a software hack for this version? Hell I'd even pay $250 for a newer version of the software that did not lock out the capability. My wife's Acura is really cool and very intuative, even the Ford system is better that Toyota. GM I have not tried but I don't think I want to pay a monthly fee for it, the Toyota system is simply lacking even without the lock it would be 3rd or 4th on my list.

Isn't it enough of an annoyance to have to "agree" to some inane statement before you can use your touchscreen, every time you start the car? Why wouldn't that cover the normal use of options that I paid a premium for also? Poor engineering and poor consumer relations. My experience with Lexus hasn't been very good from the start with this last purchase, and I don't think I will buy another. This is after five lexus and toyota purchases since 2000. What a way to throw away good loyal customers!

I think its absolutely ridiculous that I wasn't informed about this before my purchase. I still like the vehicle (2008 Camry Hybrid) but would happily trade it in for a version w/o the overpriced, under performing navigation unit. I know the motivation behind it was liability and safety, but last time I checked there is a passenger seat. If the car can beep at me when they don't have their seat belt on, then why can't it use this functionality to determine when the unit can be fully enabled? The car already has this info so it'd be a cheap and cost-effective resolution. It ne a good starting point in compromising both points of view, Toyota and their customers.

The gps in my 2008 Toyota Avalon is a nightmare to use and the restraints in the use are not acceptable. The grafix's are terrible and the map screen detail is terrible as well. Ths gps was a last minute decision and I didn''t research the gps, big mistake!

what a load of crap if i wanted to be babyed i would have gone to my mother not to the lexus dealership

This was a feature that I figured out on my previous disc version. An upgrade to a newer disc eliminates the override feature. Defeating the old lockout was not a simple button that one presses but a series of hidden buttons on the screen. One had to make an obvious point to disable the lockout. Shouldn't that in itself clear Toyota or a third party GPS company of any and all liability? I really made an effort to safely disable the lockout feature on my Lexus/Toyota every time I needed the Nav system; and each time I was aware that I would need to deal with consequences of my own actions should an accident occur.

This is just the start of the big brother society we're evolving into here in the U.S. If people could wake up and see the big picture and were as passionate about where things are headed with lawyers and uncontrolled government as we Toyota owners are about this nav issue we probably wouldn't be discussing this to begin with.

I feel it is not Toyota's place to tell me when I can or can not use the features of their cars. I realize they are just protecting themselves from lawsuits but that is something that should be addressed in some other way.

The nav systems is pointless when your on the move. My wife is unable to look up the resturant we hope to stop at. We can not do any research on the hotels that might be worth stopping at down the road. We should have the means to turn off this lock. I think that the DVD' s should even play up fron t for the pasenger. The whole reason you envest in these systems is to have th option. Toyota has removed the option without even asking the customer what we think. Bad move.

renders the Nav virtually useless. would never have paid for that option had I known. I am back to using my portable Garmin unit

This is ridiculous. I almost got killed the other day trying to merge back into moving traffic on the highway!

Not at all happy I wasn't aware of this before purchasing my 2007.

on a daily basis my teenager wants to find a fast food restaurant or other places and we have to pull over to find it. it's very frustration for him and myself.

There are a LOT of other distractions with their navigation/radio system. Why would cancelling/changing the destination while driving be the problem. Besides, it could be the passenger trying to change the destination.

hate the useless navigation system

I was considering buying a Prius, but now I'll probably either get something else or use an aftermarket NAV system.

RIDICULOUS! I'm not 5 yrs old!

I just bought a Toyota less than 2 weeks thinking the Nav would be fully functional. YEA RIGHT!!!!

If Toyota is afraid of lawsuits from people being distracted while driving, they should allow the hack with a warning each time. This way the user has been warned and has actively disabled a safety feature. No court in the world would support this plaintiff. Toyota could also not allow the hack unless they sense the weight of a person in the passenger seat. This is just a case of trying protect the public at the cost of individual freedom and lower sales when the word gets out.

This is ridiculous. I would never have purchased the navigation package if I had known about this problem.

My 2009 with 2008 Navi System sucks. I paid over $ 30,000.00 for my Hybrid Camry loaded, but we can't even use search even if not the Driver. Still can use touch screen to change radio look at graph for power usage so what is the point of half lockout ? Last Lexus or Toyota I will ever Buy. Thanks Toyota of America as we can exit the freeway safe in bad part of town so we can find direction.

a real annoying limitation. my passenger should be able to input into the gps while the car is moving. all other manufacturers and aftermarket units have that capability.

My brother's Acura TL Type-S navigation works like it supposed to be, not like my Camry XLE navigation totally useless. Not going to buy another Toyota or Lexus again, no more!

I just bought a 2008 Toyota Highlander with the Nav package, and I am quite disappointed that a manufacturer would impose something like this. I actually think this is much more dangerous than having people use the GPS while driving. Please let me know when someone figures out how to bypass this.

The GPS unit is unusable when you need it and I was not informed about the reduced functionality prior to purchase. I find myself stopping quickly in dangerous situations just to use the device... I can't see how this is safer.

I hate it.

If an aftermarket GPS can work while the car is in motion, then the factory installed one should work at least as well.

After owning a $300 stand alone system that had an override, I never thought that when I purchased this car with a $1500 Nav that it would not permit the passenger to operate it while in motion. I was never informed of this "costly feature"! What a rip-off.

A lot of times my husband is the passenger and could use the system while I'm driving. There is no harm in that. I understand it could be dangerous, but it's no more dangerous than changing the radio station.

Have NEVER seen any other navigation systen taht did noit warn you but then give you the option to turn off. MY wife is capable as a passenger to operate the screens while I am driving...

This is my 4th Lexus. I feel the Nav system is substandard. For trips I usually print a map quest plan as it is more reliable as far as data goes. I hate the fact that you can not input destinations when the car is moving. My wife's GM truck has a better system.

This lockout of the system is very upsetting and annoying and has caused at least one near collision when I had to pull over to update my destination. This had to be done since not changing my destination would have resulted in me traveling into NYC. At the bridge it gets very busy and complicated traffic streams merge. In this case it would have been much safer to be able to have my passenger enter the new destination. Instead, I had to pull over amoungst construction traffic and was almost struck twice. I love my Toyota but when it comes to family safety, I will definitely reconsider my future purchasing options. I was planning on buying a Toyota Prius in the fall, however, if this is how Toyota thinks it is protecting my safety, I would say they are very mistaken. I will be looking for a vehicle without a lockout. If none are available, I will definitely not purchase one with the Navigation option. I had heard from a friend and owner of an earlier model Lexus and it was a major plus for them to not have the lockout. This was a major consideration in my selecting the Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited. My decision would definitely been altered if I knew this lockout feature had been added.

Its just plain stupid. My wife can't change the GPS destination while we drive. For gosh sakes, you can't even see radio text or traffic text while driving. Don't these idiots know its a CAR! Its supposed to move. I don't sit in my driveway and check traffic! MORONS! Any idiot that thinks having cars parking on the shoulder and reentering the highway every time they need to look at something shouldn't be designing cars. I hope the first person to get hit reentering the highway sues the crap out of Toyota. We finally just went out and bought a Garmin to take along on trips. If this wasn't a lease, I'd pay to have the GPS ripped out and put in a Pioneer Avic. This will DEFINITELY be our last Toyota!

I agree, it is very dangerous and inconvenient to have Toyota's NAV safetly feature. There should be an override system built into the software.

It is a great inconvenience

I hate that i can't operate my Nav system when the car is in motion. I had a portable nav system that i sold when i bought the 4 runner. I would not have paid the extra money for the built in Nav system if i have known this ahead of time. I am really annoyed with this feature!!!

I have had several GPS units before. All have had an override feature. Toyota's decision is ridiculous and unacceptable.

I usually have a passenger in the car who could type in the address or look up a POI. It's ridiculous to have to pull over to enter the information.

The failure to allow for input while driving/moving has effectively diminished the functionality of the navigation/phone system in the 2008 Highlander to the point of making it virtually useless. I could have bought a Garmin or Magellan and gotten more effective use out of one of them! I'm getting real tired of the 'nanny state' that we've become.

I have a Toyota Camry Hybrid. I am FURIOUS about this issue. This fumbling around pulling over is far more distracting and has put me in far more DANGER than allowing full access to the controls! Many things about a car can be dangerous if misused. You can drive off the road and hit a tree! So maybe Toyota Lawyers should disable the engine so the car can't move? Much safer huh? I am tired of lawyers restricting MY PROPERTY! If the Toyota Lawyers want to control how I use my car then THEY can PAY for it! Grrrr! I am FURIOUS!

We also own an Accura with a nav system. I would have purchased the Honda Odessey instead of the Toyota Sienna if I had known how the Toyota Nav system worked. We just found out about the override. Not being able to use the Nav system on the move is a major show stopper. Thanks for the tip.

Sucks to try to pull over to reset info

This is crazy. Should have saved my money and bought the TOMTOM. Toyota is Not My Mother!!!

This just plain stinks! There is no reason why a passenger should not be able to operate the GPS while the vehicle is moving. Couldn't a simple disclaimer screen suffice for the Toyota lawyers? For example, if you attempt to operate the grayed out buttons while vehicle is moving, a disclaimer pops up...then you press the button that says "I assume resonsibility..." or whatever. This should then release the lock out. Simple. Just a thought.

I have a tom tom 910 that I was going to sell until I started trying to learn the navi system. It is absolutely pointless and would not have upgraded if I had known. A complete waste of 500 dollars.

I bought a top of the line Limited Tundra Crewmax, and the restrictions on this NAV system is unacceptable.

Just bought a Toyota Prius two and a half weeks ago and noticed the annoying grayed out input in the navigation menus while moving within the first week. There is no way I would have spent an extra $2500 on the integrated nav system (which we have to spend another $250 every 2 years to upgrade???) if I had known that my passenger couldn't enter in a destination because the car was moving. I understand that Toyota thinks this is a safety feature but when you're sitting at a stoplight trying to enter in a destination or find directions to a friend's house and the light turns green before you've finished, you have the option of being rear-ended by the car behind you or speeding up to the next stoplight to get the nav system to unlock...

The Toyota navigation technology itself is so often misguided that not being able to overide something that is worthless is only a mild annoyance on top of a bigger one -- the system itself stinks. If I had to choose only one, I'd first take a system that works well period, and then, as an added bonus, be able to change it while driving.

THey should make it the chose of the owner buy making them agree to a caution screen before enabling.. Then they should be able to activate at their own will... As toyota do not own the car... Very disapointed after spending lots of $$$$$

The fact that my passenger has no access to the nav system while in motion is not acceptable. I will never allow myself to be abused by Toyotaagain. To do so I will never purchase a Toyota or Lexus product again.

It is very dangerous and inconvenient to stop on super highways to make an input to the nav system.

I specifically wanted an integrated GPS system as i feel its much safer to use a large screen gps built into the dash than a small screen gps sticking to a window with a suction. However after purchasing a 2008 Prius with integrated Nav system - i was shocked to find that i could not use many of the features unless i pull over and stop the car. Obviously i understand the inherent safety issues with punching buttons on a GPS while driving, but 1/ Its my choice not toyota's and 2 (and more importantly) i nearly always have my wife in the car when i'm driving (and visa versa) but even the passenger can't use the system! I googled around on the internet and found that there use to be an over ride by tapping menu/volume/top-left-screen/bottom-left-screen which enabled a menu from which you could disable the safety feature but now toyota have removed this too! Once i can sell my new toyota for a reasonable price i'll be selling it and buying another type of car which has more sensible design features.

After owning a Volvo V70 with Nav, and two Honda with Nav, I tell you that I will not ever buy another Toyota. The company's decision to negate the use of the nav, radio, hand free phone system while the vehicle is in motion is NOT acceptable. Volvo and Honda do not restrict the use of its system at any point. First and last Toyota for me. Sorry Prius. You could have been an exceptional car.

I was told that there was a hack out on the internet to disable this grey out. It is crap that I have to pull over so my wife can look for a place to eat.

i also got an iPod adapter installed so it appears on my nav screen but as soon as i start moving it won't even display the song information. oh also i drive a prius, couldn't find it on your menu

I think it's much more dangerous to try and pull over to use the system. Most of the time there is a passenger that would be using it anyway.

I have an 08 Highlander Hybrid and cannot understand why Toyota would not allow a passenger to input nav information while driving, especially on long trips where you are on freeways for 100's of miles. Please include me on any changes that occur. Thanks

This Nav system on the Toyota Highlander is FAR INFERIOR to my TomTom in my other vehicle. Disabling it when in motion is ridiculous. Perhaps they should put console locks in place so their cup holders don't release when in motion. :-/

Let the consumer decide

Totota navigation system goes on the "cons" side when considering the purchase of a new Toyota vehicle.

absolute insult to my intelligence

i would like to overrede

The NAV system lock out on my 08 Highlander Hybrid is totally pissing me off. I would not have bought the GPS if I had known and may have considered another car since I am always using the GPS. This has seriously degraded my attitude towards Toyota and was going to buy a Camry...now it will be one of the others.

I agree that Toyota has a right to require me to accept liability for removing a safety component they have implemented. That's the only thing I agree with. Once I push the button absolving them of liability then what and how I do with my car is my right. I knew the Nav on my 2007 Avalon was less user friendly than the $300 Garmin I bought for my wife's vehicle but I had no idea that my $35k Avalon, of which I have raved about my other ones to friends and family, was to be so dissapointing when I got it. I bought the Nav so I would have the graphic display that goes with the other functions, specifically the audio text that allowed me to see the name of the artist and various other messages. I held out for months waiting for the exact Avalon Limited I wanted which Nav and display were key factors. Should have bought a cheaper Nav, or based on the comments I've read in the various forums regarding Toyota's complete disregard for owner loyalty, I should have bought a Honda. By the way, the say the text message is not displayed for safety reasons however 90% of the text messagae scrolls on information bar at the top of the audio screen.

Would not have opted for a $2000 Nav GPS had I known you can't set it once you're on the road. Sort-of stupid to not have that flexibility!!

clearly misrepresented. this is the worst implementation of a navigation system I have seen.

I have used a Garmin Nuvi 350 and the factory instaleld system in an Acura. Both worked well and were easy to use. I would have seriously considered a different car if I knew it had this "issue". I understand the legal liability issue that Toyota is trying to avoid, but other manufacturers are allowing use while driving, and the result is a big blow to customer satisfaction. My car is perfect except for this, but I have a bad taste in my mouth for the car right now.

Toyota made an inappropriate assumtion that the only person able to use the nav system (or bluetooth for that matter) while driving would be the driver. Full functionality should be available after the start-up warning screen.

Who wants to pull over during a long or short trip to modify a route? When I purchased the 4 runner, I assumed that the navigation would work just like my lowrance nav system. I kept telling my spouse that there has to be an override and that I would find it. It wasn't until I found this blog that I figured out that there was no override. If the nav users manual had and index or if there was an online manual then I should have been able to find the problem much quicker by using the search feature. Any clue as to when the new nav dvd map will be available?

I am able to have my wife enter destinations in my Acura, and was told by the dealer "off the record" that i could find a way to do the same on my new 2008 Sequoia. This certainly was a factor in deciding to buy this car, and 100% a factor in choosing to buy their expensive integrated Nav system as opposed to a $400 Garmin.

I usually travel with my wife and the lock-out Nav feature really sucks and down grades one of the best well made car brands. This will probably stop me from buying another Toyota in the future.

Just Bought Platinum Sequioa and I'm very disappointed! My wife and I have two young girls and can not control DVD player without undoing belt and leaning back to mess with it. More dangerous than letting passenger enter on a screen. Obviously, frustrated that I can not enter NAV destination while in passenger seat.

I hate this

Very annoying to criple the guidance system of a very expensive option even for passenger input.

I am very unhappy

I hate the override

California is the same. If you pull over, you can and will be cited for making a non-emergency stop. If you're out on the open road, the next "pull off" could be a ways ahead. The override needs to be put back in.

Honda makes a far better nav so does garmin Toyota should be ashamed and embarrassed

The fact that I cannot use the Navigation system while the car is in motion is absurd. I am able to manipulate any number of other buttons and knobs while driving so why single out that one thing. I am even able to switch a cell call to non hands free and which I feel is far more dangerous than using the Navigation system. Had I known I would have spent my money on a different vehicle.

I have a 2005 Lexus LS430. Lexus sales department did not demonstrate NAV voice recognition during test drive or pick-up. Lodged a complaint before first 5,000 miles service. Today it is April 17, 2008 and it is not fixed yet! It has been into shop fours time with one upgrade, Gen 4, Version 5.1. The voice recognition is still a joke. Lexus of Stevens Creek say they are talking to Lexus factory about what to do to fix it. I am not positive about the outcome, and think Lexus does not care about their client.

very disappointed, very!

I like that they try to keep the driver safe, but it's absolutely retarded that the passanger can't fully use the Nav system while the vehicle is in motion. There is obviously a sensor in the car to see if there is a passanger. Why can't the presence of a passanger override the safety lock-out feature? And don't tell me it'd be too hard because I bet I could design it.

sucks

Sorry you haven't included Prius owners in your vehicle types, but we are going to count more and more as gas prices climb. The future Chevy Volt will get the same mpg and will not only be an American product but will probably address these Navigation issues that all 2007-2008 Prius owners have.

What do you call 100 liability lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start! If I had known about this "safety" feature we would have skipped the GPS System altogether, or gone with the BMW we were considering instead. What presumptive asses these people are. I give you over $30K, you give me what the hell I want. Why not disable the seat belt disconnect so I can't remove it while the vehicle is moving too. And why not disallow the sun-roof being opened on a sunny day, I mean, you don't want me suing you for getting skin cancer on my bald pate, do you? If this is Toyota's idea of customer service then... BMW, here I come!

It's too bad they have this "feature". I'm sure some lawyer made them do it. I love my 2007 Sianna except for the NAV system. I'm sorry I paid the extra money for it. I have a Garmin my RAV4 and love it. I wish someone would write software to update the system to something more friendly. JH

Passengers should be able to use all the NAV system functions anytime without pulling over. What bugs me more is that the NAV map is the default in the integrated system. For local driving, I don't need the NAV/GPS and would rather have the entertainment system screen be on all the time. My new Chrysler integrated NAV/GPS/Entertainment system is many times more user friendly and the Chrysler NAV audio instructions are crisp without all the darn bells.

I have a 2007 4Runner and would not of purchased this SUV if I knew of this issue. My wife has an EDGE, without this limitation. My next purchase will not be a Toyota or Lexus!

I am really annoyed that while my husband is driving, I, as his wife and passenger, can't input information on the navigation system for him. If we were adult enough to spend $40,000 plus for our Lexus, I think we are adult enough to know when we can handle inputting info on our navigation system. I know my husband should be concentrating on driving, but what's wrong with the passenger inputting the info. It doesn't make sense. Let us be the judge of what we can and cannot do while driving. I VOTE FOR AN OVERRIDE!!!!

There must be a way around it.

This is litigation fears taken too far! The reality is Lexus/Toyota care not one whit about safety, they just do not want some ignorant driver blaming them for doing something stupid. Let's face it, the vehicle itself is a hazard and danger to society. Why not sell the vehicle to the public but disable the vehicle to ensure total safety? If it cannot be driven, then it is protecting us all. You folks have made me a very dissatisfied customer. One, who will never purchase a Toyota product again. It would be sweet justice if some disgruntaled lawyer took you folks to court over this. That woud be sweet! Good luck.

Every GPS I have used prior to my 4Runner's gives you a warning about using it while in motion, but lets you override. It's ridiculous that Toyota’s doesn’t considering how much more expensive it is than an off the shelf model. I even find myself stopping quickly in the road sometimes to give set an address and then speed back up. I don’t think having no override is a safer situation… just the opposite.

I need navigation the most when I'm moving in either in slow traffic areas to find alternatives or when I need to make an unforeseen stop somewhere to shop. None of us have our entire driving plans down prior to our departure. I'm ready to buy a hand held. What a waste of money.

The driver should have the option of using the navigator when he or she wishes to use the navigator. The passanger can not use the navigator if the car is in motion and this forces the driver to pull over onto the side of the highway, which is a dangerous procedure. Toyota should put in a disclaimer and have the driver decide if they wish to overide this safety feature.

it is is stupid that when my husband and I are on a trip I cannot dial a phone number from the screen, yet I can from my damn phone. Even more so. I can GPS from my phone, but not the one in the damn car. My husband has spent hours to see if there is a way to override a 2008 camry 7.1 Nav system only to find there is NO option. This is ridiculous. Obviously they are more concerned with their lawyers than their customers. ALl of this could have been solved by a handy dandy legal disclaimer that had to be answered with an "I agree." Stupid.

I should be able to make the decision on when to operate my navigation system. I am already forced to agree to the safety warning everything single solitary time I turn the car on. That should be enough! I am desperately seeking an override for the 2006 Toyota Sienna LXI.

I own a 2007 Tundra Crew max with 7.1 Nav system. It is inconvenient and at times unsafe to have to pull over so my wife can find a store we are looking for. When the nav was shown to me there was no mention that it has the bulk of its features disabled when you are moving.

If Toyota does not resolve this issue in the near future (given all the feedback), I will never buy another car from them.

This should be an option not a requirement!

Most people would be willing to sign a waiver of responsibility to Toyota to be able to use this feature. (HONDA allows it to be used!) Those who are not willing could deal with the extreme annoyance it causes to have to pull over to the side of the road and come to a dead stop in order to check for restaurants, motels or alternate routes when driving along the highway on a long trip. This not only drastically reduces fuel economy, it also is likely to contribute to safety hazards (pulling over at highway speed on the shoulder of the road)! I am highly disappointed in Toyota for forcing this onto its otherwise very happy owners!

I have a 2007 Prius and a 2007 Leuxu RX400h. I hate the lock out feature and I was told there was an override available when I boutght the Lexus. I do see some plugin override hack cables available for my Prius so I would assume there are some for the Lexus too. I also assume there are still hidden menus on both Nav systems and I am surprised that will all the hype sommone from Toyota or Lexus who services these and also hates the issue would not make the hidden menues and overrides public. Where are those Apple iPhone hackers when you need them. So which one of you Lexus owning Lawyers wants to start a class action suit?

I cant believe my passenger can not control the navigation system while we are enroute with our family. What a scam.

Was not made aware of the issue of not being able to program destination by passenger while car is moving before buying 2008 Highlander Hybrid Limited. Am very dissapointed in the unfortunate decision made by Toyota without considering how it would impact buyers. I am anxiously awaiting a fix so I can fully enjoy my navigation system.

Totally cripples the whole concept of a nav system! This on top of the fact that the user interface (even when stopped) is no where near as easy-to-use as the $220 Garmin Nuvi 200W that I just bought for my other car. Toyota, what were you thinking???

I bought a 2008 Highlander Sport with the navigation system (a special order) within the last 30 days, and am incredibly disappointed with the navigation system being locked out while I am in motion. I am researching my options to "hack" the system, but the people selling such kits seem shady at best. I may wind up returning the car instead. When I pay this much for something, I expect to be able to use it when and how I like. As-is, its function is seriously limited.

Interested in hacks or work-arounds. Last Toyota NAV system I'll buy and maybe the last Toyota

I feel it's more dangerous to stop the Prius to operate either the Nav or phone.

Not having the ability to override the navigation lock-out is ridiculous. My wife and I bought this Solara Convertible to be together and enjoy the Northern California weather. We are almost never alone in the car and not allowing the passenger to input information while the car in motion is simply ludicrous. The have certainly had more accident near misses trying to get somewhere to stop and input a new destination or look for a restaurant then if she had been making the input on the move. Something must be done about this and I vote for a class action suit as I believe this is the only way to get their attention.

There is no difference when you use the radio, cd changer, or looking for something in the back seat when driving. The use of the GPS while driving should be the responsibility of the driver, not the manufacture. Why dont they lock EVERYTHING then on the vehicle so we are not distracted.

It is does not make any sense that even the passenger can't make changes to the navigation system while the driver is paying attention to driving.

I've pulled over in the middle of an interstate just to use my nav so I wouldn't get lost. I think that was much more dangerous than a few seconds of tinkering. IT DRIVES ME NUTS

First ... the annoying “I Agree” screen every time I start my Avalon Second … the NAV lockout while I’m moving Third … the radio text screen lockout while I’m moving I bought a 2007 Avalon and my wife bought a 2007 Camry at the same time. I buy a new car every 2 to 3 years and so does my wife. If Toyota does not put out a free fix to these issues I will never buy a Toyota again … EVER. I will also make sure to badmouth the company every chance I get, and I do have a lot of influence on friends and family when it comes to car buying.

I really wish I could access the GPS while moving

I hate being on the road and have a change of plans, then i have to find a safe spot to stop. i think at the least let us the owners have the option to use one or the other. i can understand how some people do want this option for the young adult driving. so i think the only way to make anyone happy is to do both that way it negates you obligation for safety, as it places it on the owner. please come up with a short cut in the software that gives people an option, or at least do it at the dealership... thanks for you time. MIke

Very irritated about this. Long trips and my passenger should beable to search for a starbucks...etc.

I have had navi in several cars. I LOVE the navi in my '07 Lexus ES350 with the override function. If I had known that the override had been disabled in my '08 Toyota Sienna, I would not have bought it. Now that I see how Toyota is, I won't buy another of their products by any name. Who the hell does Toyota think that they are!!!!!???????

Totally SUCKS!!

I will not buy Toyota again until I see reults of them changing (correcting) the system. I am tired of these electronic devises that control my life!! Jim Mercier

I am very irritated with the lockout feature on the NAV system of my PRIUS. I also own an ACURA with a NAV system that does not lockout the driver from inputting addresses while driving. I often chooes to drive the ACURA over the PRIUS when I know I will be using the NAV system.

Lexus/Toyota causes safety problems by forcing people to fumble with their cell phones to manually dial phones numbers that aren't on the top 18 quick dial list

I should have the right to use the navigation system whenever I choose

New Tundra purchased and the Nav system I paid for, does not operate when moving. My wife and I travel with a travel trailer and cannot reset or modify our destinations without stopping on the side of the road. This is not what I expected to get when I paid for the NAV option. Probably will not purchase another Toyota.

it sucks

I hate it.

What happened to freedom of choice? We bought the 4runner so that we can go and climb mountains. I better not stop and program in the destination of a mountain or the navigation system may stop the vehicle and say "Sorry, that destination is too dangerous. Please pick a petting zoo or a flower garden".

A pain in the NAV

It has pretty much all been said. The lockout is ridiculous and detracts greatly from the utility of the system.

Totally unacceptable. Would not have bought this vehicle if I knew I was not in control of ALL functions. Why would I pay extra money for something that I can not control at ALL times.

It sucks!

I have a Honda Hybrid with Nav system. I do not have this problem with this car. I just bought my wife the 2008 Camry Hybrid, and it has the same issues the luxury cars, like Lexus have. If I would have know what a pain this was going to be with the nav system, I would have purchased a non nav car and bought one of the off the shelf portable systems from best buy or someone else.

It can be much more dangerous to pull over than to get new information while driving the vehicle.

Who do they think they are?? They at least need to tell people about it before they buy.

My 2007 Avalon's GPS system is the worst I have ever experienced. What a waist of $.

I feel that I have been the victim of fraud at the hands of Toyota Motors of America. That their navigation system DOES NOT WORK as it should. That they failed to disclose this fact. And that they have failed to MAKE IT RIGHT! In my opinion. I am owed a nav. system that works to expectations, or a full refund of its new sticker costs. And that I would happily join any class-action suit to achieve either of these two ends.

Dangerous feature that causes you to pull over on highways.

This litigious society has gotten the better of Toyota and has impaired their judgement. In addition to making the navigation system nearly useless, they have also disabled the radio text feature from displaying text in large print. Instead, I now have very small print that slowly scrolls across the screen which can take several seconds to read instead of a very quick glance to see who the artist is. As it stands, it is actually more dangerous, in my opinion. Toyota customer service needs to stand up to their paranoid lawyers.

I almost always have a passenger with me, and it's so frustrating that they can not use the navigation system

Toyota has overstepped the boundaries with the navigation override menu removed from V6.1 and newer mapping DVD. I will consider another vehicle line when buying my next new car. I'm sure they could care less, but how many customers will they loose in the meantime. Wake up snoozers!

Greying out functions on the Camry Hybrid nav system is a bad, bad management decision; one that abrogates the rights of customers in favor of yielding to the anxieties of corporate lawyers.

Toyota does not consider that the nav system in their automobiles are not even accessible to the passenger while vehicle is in motion. HELLOOOO!!! Some of us do realize the danger of operating anything other than the vehicle while driving, however, we do most of the time while vacationing or traveling in far away places have a passenger who could easily navigate for the driver. DUHHHH.

Very inconvenient

There's no reason for it. There are many nav products out there that don't do this. The voice navigation does not work all the time and it requires more effort and looking to use it.

At the very least there should be a class action suit because this oddity of this gps is not being sold to consumers honestly; if there was an honest disclosure, there would be no sale. I would have purchased the Honda Civic. In fact, I really don't know if I can live with this car for two years. Of course ALL of us will lose the full value of this feature upon sale. I think a lawsuit against Toyota is the only way. Then Toyota's lawyers who put this on the market, can make more money defending the suit. Only Toyota and the consumer lose.

Absolutely ridiculous that you have to pull over to use. If I am in a bad neighborhood, I want out! I thought Toyota was a leader?

This damned navigation system is the worst thing I have ever seen. It cost a lot of money and it does not work properly, it is like a Rubic's Cube but even more difficult, and who appointed Toyota God telling us what and when we can use the damned thing. I want a Honda navigation system ... they work like people think. You can't turn the damned thing off, you can't do anything with it unless you pull over and stop, it doesn't recognize voice commands, it doesn't know simple things like Post Office, most of the time you don't know what the hell it is doing, ding ding bells that are supposed to mean something but half the time you do not know what they mean, some old woman who doesn't talk like most people and you can't get her to talk when you want her to. Toyota has a mess, a giant mess, with this lousy navigation system and they won't do a damned thing about it ... they just take your money, laugh behind your back, tell you nothing when you complain, and leave you stuck with a very expensive navigation system that is nearly worthless in real life. I have called and written Toyota and all I get are canned replies that say nothing. People, stay away from Toyota, there's too much wrong with this company.

Dangerous feature that causes you to pull over on highways.

I feel that I have been the victim of fraud at the hands of Toyota Motors of America. That their navigation system DOES NOT WORK as it should. That they failed to disclose this fact. And that they have failed to MAKE IT RIGHT! In my opinion. I am owed a nav. system that works to expectations, or a full refund of its new sticker costs. And that I would happily join any class-action suit to achieve either of these two ends.

My 2007 Avalon's GPS system is the worst I have ever experienced. What a waist of $.

Who do they think they are?? They at least need to tell people about it before they buy.

This litigious society has gotten the better of Toyota and has impaired their judgement. In addition to making the navigation system nearly useless, they have also disabled the radio text feature from displaying text in large print. Instead, I now have very small print that slowly scrolls across the screen which can take several seconds to read instead of a very quick glance to see who the artist is. As it stands, it is actually more dangerous, in my opinion. Toyota customer service needs to stand up to their paranoid lawyers.

At the very least there should be a class action suit because this oddity of this gps is not being sold to consumers honestly; if there was an honest disclosure, there would be no sale. I would have purchased the Honda Civic. In fact, I really don't know if I can live with this car for two years. Of course ALL of us will lose the full value of this feature upon sale. I think a lawsuit against Toyota is the only way. Then Toyota's lawyers who put this on the market, can make more money defending the suit. Only Toyota and the consumer lose.

It can be much more dangerous to pull over than to get new information while driving the vehicle.

I have a Honda Hybrid with Nav system. I do not have this problem with this car. I just bought my wife the 2008 Camry Hybrid, and it has the same issues the luxury cars, like Lexus have. If I would have know what a pain this was going to be with the nav system, I would have purchased a non nav car and bought one of the off the shelf portable systems from best buy or someone else.

I almost always have a passenger with me, and it's so frustrating that they can not use the navigation system

New Tundra purchased and the Nav system I paid for, does not operate when moving. My wife and I travel with a travel trailer and cannot reset or modify our destinations without stopping on the side of the road. This is not what I expected to get when I paid for the NAV option. Probably will not purchase another Toyota.

What happened to freedom of choice? We bought the 4runner so that we can go and climb mountains. I better not stop and program in the destination of a mountain or the navigation system may stop the vehicle and say "Sorry, that destination is too dangerous. Please pick a petting zoo or a flower garden".

Toyota has overstepped the boundaries with the navigation override menu removed from V6.1 and newer mapping DVD. I will consider another vehicle line when buying my next new car. I'm sure they could care less, but how many customers will they loose in the meantime. Wake up snoozers!

Greying out functions on the Camry Hybrid nav system is a bad, bad management decision; one that abrogates the rights of customers in favor of yielding to the anxieties of corporate lawyers.

Toyota does not consider that the nav system in their automobiles are not even accessible to the passenger while vehicle is in motion. HELLOOOO!!! Some of us do realize the danger of operating anything other than the vehicle while driving, however, we do most of the time while vacationing or traveling in far away places have a passenger who could easily navigate for the driver. DUHHHH.

There's no reason for it. There are many nav products out there that don't do this. The voice navigation does not work all the time and it requires more effort and looking to use it.

Lexus/Toyota causes safety problems by forcing people to fumble with their cell phones to manually dial phones numbers that aren't on the top 18 quick dial list

Absolutely rediculous that you have to pull over to use. If I am in a bad neighborhood, I want out! I thought Toyota was a leader?

I should have the right to use the navigation system whenever I choose

Very inconvenient

I hate it.

it sucks

I paid a lot of money for a Nav system that is useless to me. I would like to be reimbursed for the Nav system.

Passenger should be allowed to enter the address when the car is moving.

I do not appreciate Toyota acting as my mother. I paid plenty of money for this system, and Toyota should not be telling me when I can and cannot use it.

I have a 2008 prius. I use to own a honda civic hybrid with navigation and it never had that lockout problem. We need to have a software upgrade that will fix that problem.

It has pretty much all been said. The lockout is ridiculous and detracts greatly from the utility of the system.

Totally unacceptable. Would not have bought this vehicle if I knew I was not in control of ALL functions. Why would I pay extra money for something that I can not control at ALL times.

Unable to operate the navigation system whiled moving is ridiculous especially if the passenger is the one operating the system.

A pain in the NAV

I just purchased a 2008 Highlander Limited. I wanted a built in DVD for my daughter so I had to buy the navigation system to get it or go the after market route. I already have two Garmins so I really did not want to buy another navigation system. Against my better judgment I purchased the feature. I am so unhappy with it. It is counter intuitive and worst of all I have to pull over to use it. Every other GPS I have ever had allows you the option of using this "safety" feature. I can't believe Toyota has imposed this upon their customers. Not only can't I use the navi system while in motion but I can't use phone or control the rear DVD either. This is unacceptable. I would return the vehicle to Toyota today if I could.

It is Ridiculous!!!

It sucks!

it takes more time and is more distracting to scroll through albums than to look at album lists. my eyes are down 75 times than 7

Why do I have to pull over and come to a complete stop to imput an address or find a location if I have passengers that aren't doing more than sitting there? On top of not having the override, I can't read fill messages or names on the screen for XM or the radio because apparently the unit only allows so many characters. I would have never purchased the Nav system if I knew that I would be so limited on usage.

the restrictions make no sense. People read papers,talk and text message from hand held cell phones and eat like pigs when they drive. Why should't the passenger be able to operate the navi while you are in motion? The details on the radio are even blocked out for your safety while in motion. This is goofy. I paid a lot of extra money for this???? I should have bought a Tom-Tom!

If I can't use the GPS/NAV unit while driving or have a passenger in the front seat that can use it than what good is it? There should be some way to defeat the system. The "YES" soft button is available when the GPS is turned on initially while stationary. This should be sufficient for the lawyer disclaimer issue.

I hate not being able to program addresses while the car is in motion.

Vehicle Owners SHOULD HAVE The right to use this system as they see fit. NOT the way Toyota says to use it. They are NOT GOD!

Interested in information on overriding the Nav system so passenger can manage to find restaurants, gas stations, hotels, etc.

I am total outraged by the restrictions put on me by Toyota Corporation. I will only consider purchasing another Toyota after I am positive that there are NO restriction on the use of the vechicle I am purchasing or that they can be disabled to allow full use of the vehicle. It makes me irritated every time I get behind the wheel, of what otherwise could be an excellent automobile.

There is absolutely no reason my passenger should not be able to use the navigation system while the car is in motion.

Sucks

I want to be able to control the DVD from the front seat. With two small children in the back, the only thing we can do is advanced a chapter and control the volume. Try putting in a new DVD or starting a DVD playing after the car is moving and you can't do it.

I need to be able to update my route and I can't do it unless I stop....pain in the rear!!!!

I should be able to decide when and where to use MY navigation system. I don't need Toyota to do that for me. I want a fix for this.

90% of the time pulling over is much more dangerous than having the passenger use it. Why does mother Toyota not lock the glove/and console box, lock down their confusing radio, and suggest that the no one talk to the driver. Big mistake in judgement by toyota by removing good a judgement decision from their customers (eX).

I am extremely frustrated with this. When I was purchasing my 2007, I was told "off the record" that I could override this by the salesman. Not!! I definitely would not have purchased had I known.

Toyota should allow people to order a new DVD or version of the software, after they sign a liability release. I heard that in the 2009 model, they're going to limit the maximum speed of the vehicle to 45 miles per hour -- because it's safer....

I think it is up to the owners to decide what is safe, NOT TOYOTA!

It is extremely annoying to have the Nav system disabled especially when there is a passenger in the vehicle. Just as the passenger air bag is enable when there is a passenger, the NAV system should recognize this and override the disable of the system. This would be a huge improvement!!!!!!!

2008 Highlander Hybrid - I usually drive with my wife and it's really frustrating that she can't enter our destination in the nav system. I have only used it a couple of times in the 2 months I've owned the car. In our 2005 Acura TSX we used the NAV all the time. Another thing is the poor search capabilities. I can't just enter a street name or partial street name. I have to enter the full street name and the quadrant of town (NE, SE, NW, SW). The Acura NAV system was more intuitive.

Locking out the navigation system is a ridiculous nuisance. The usual "I Agree" screen or a trigger based on the passenger seat would be a simple and viable solution. Toyota needs to move on this now!!

Would not have bought this unit had I known.

Lockout feature is just plain dumb. This is my first NAV system and I can't believe I have to be parked to use it. Just a dumb idea! What next? Can't remove your drink from the cup holder while driving? Can't turn around to give your kid something? Please put pressure on Toyota to change this. Class action, whatever. It's pathetic. Or, give me a rebate!

bad plan

Stop making me pull over to input.

At minimum, the system lockout should deactivate with a passenger present.

very displease with the navigation and bluetooth sometimes it is very hard to pull over to enter infor. when i travel i put my Garmin in the car to use. wish theey will give the override

Version 6.1 is very non-consumer orientated without the overrides that were available with my 2005 Prius version 4.x. Having to come to a complete stop in a safe place is not only time consuming but next to impossible in many instances.

Having to stop the car to ask for direction from the nav system?!?! I bought the car with the navigation system because I don't want to stop the car to ask someone for direction!!!!

This feature (or lack of) is ridiculous! It's odd how they continue to put a mirror on the driver's sun visor though... That's a feature that should be disabled when the car is in motion! Not the GPS!

What's next, disabling the engine if I've used my allotment of fuel for the week?

I just really have a question. We bought a 2008 Prius in early Nov. '07. While it doesn't allow you to set a destination while moving, I do not get the I Accept screen that everyone here is talking about. Has anyone else reported this? They haven't re-enabled the ability to override the default setting, have they?

You must allow the driver to make the decision to override the system. There are times that stopping is more dangerous and an intelligent, aware driver will use the override when necessary only.

Passenger restriction of the device while the vehicle is in motion defeats the purpose of the system. The system is worthless. I would have bought an after market solution had I known.

Extremely inconvenient. Normally use with the passenger doing the navigation. Now I try to hurry up and do it at the red lights. It's ridiculous.

I own a 2007 camry hybrid and the Nav system is so incredibly lousy. I just bought my wife a $250 garmin for christmas that runs circles around my $1,600 built in system. I am really disappointed in this and will definitely not buy another toyota with a nav system EVER again. My last several cars were hondas and I bought the toyota because I wanted a hybrid (which I love.) The real problem with this car is the lousy nav system. It definitely is not up to the standard that Honda has set with thier nav products. Get smart toyota and just put a built in garmin into your vehicles....

Provide new sofware and the issue is fixed. Make it available for Prius 2006 users too as an update. Thx, Sidney

did hitler design this?

Steaming mad!!!

I dislike the removal of a feature I bought and paid for.

Would not have purchased Navigation if this problem was made know to me.

Looking for a way around this horrible issue, a hack or a systematic solution from Toyota, as this totally negates ease of use and devalues the car.

To pay $200.00 for the up grade was bad enough, but for it not have the override is ridiculous. I plan on returning the disk and trading in my Prius.

lousy, just plain lousy and dangerous

My navigation stopped working. To fix it, Toyota had to install a new DVD - now I can't disable the navigation for passengers to use while driving and I have to stop along the side of the highway and put myself in unsafe situations. I would pay extra to get things back to the way they used to be when I could allow my wife to use the navigation system from the passenger seat while I drive.

It is a very poor judgement on Toyota. Toyota should restore the override feature.

BS I can use my Garmin but i thought Navigation integrated into the car would be better. Very wrong will not make same mistake twice.

Since Toyota is having lawyers design the car, maybe engineers should be making the laws.

I don't belive toyota put full thought into the ramifactions of ther actions. They have forced the end user to stop the car in areas that may not even be safe. Example what if you have you bluetooth connected and need to dial 911 because some luneitck is following you or you don't know where you are to find a police station you cant dial 911 can you. Good Job Toyota..........NOT........

I can't say anything that hasn't already been said.

horrible

ToyotaIsNotMyMother

When I have a passenger, they would like to be able to access and set the destination and use the phone ... I do not need a nanny. Insisting that I stop when I'm on a freeway to change or reset the destination is dangerous and illegal - Will Toyota pay for any fines and damages?

Toyota Avensis - luckily still with override ;-) This is the biggest disadvantage of the good Navigation system, beneath the useless disclaimer ("be careful..."). And I wonder, why it has a remote control, a person recognition system for passenger's seat... A driver should be intelligent enough to decide by himself, when he can use the system safely. The next step is limiting speed to 1 km/h - it's safer...

I think it sucks that we have to be told when we can use certain features in our cars. I understand that the manufacture wants to cover its ass, but they should let the owner overide.

This is my first experience with a Nav system. What a disaster. We need the system in case of an emergency when on the road. My husband and I are seniors with medical problems. I want info now!!. I don't want to have to pull off freeway and key in data. We purchased a V62008 Highlander Limited knowing this would probably be the last purchase.. We have had very good luck with tyotas, a 64, 80, 95 2002 and this 2009. BUT WHAT A RIP OFF THIS nav system is. we were not told it would be inaoperational while driving. A week later we were told of on overide being available on line. Then told this was not true. Please hand me a waiver, and let my use what is rightfully and legally mine to use.

Toyota ought to offer a fix at no charge for buyers that wish for the override to be removed. Toyota can easily have the proper legal documentation for the buyer to sign in accepting the fix. Just give us a fix even if it's on Toyota terms it would at least be a fix.

The backup beeps are very annoying. The nav system disable is a safety problem because I have to pull over to the side of busy roads so my wife can use the system while I drive. It makes no sense.

Passengers should be able to use all functions available. If Toyota was worried about safety, they should have tied the screen access to the already installed weight sensor in the passenger seat.

Is it illegal to take the 5.1 SW and marry it with the 6.1 database? I noticed talk about doing that, but no instructions on how to do it. I have an 05 Prius that I absolutely love with the override and an 07 Prius that frustrates to no end. I would love to perform my own sw hybrid if I knew how with my existing systems.

Although the lockout is extremely annoying, it is the same situation with my 2007 Infiniti QX56. So .. it is not ONLY Toyota playing big brother.

I should have the right to use the navigation system whenever I choose. At the very least, the nav system should be available when the safety system detects that there is a person sitting in the passenger seat. If the car can detect this for purposes of deploying the airbag, it should be able to do this to allow use of the navigation system by the passenger.

It is more dangerous to try to pull off the highway and re-enter just to change NAV settings. I wouldn't have paid the extra $$$ if I knew it would be crippled while in motion. Same with the bluetooth phone. Only speed dials are available while in motion. What if I wanted to call 911 or #999 to report a DUI driver. I can't pull over to report the plate number. Stupid.

Unacceptable, you should go to a class action

I can't stand that i have to pull over to change my route preferences and add a new address. Its unsafe!!!

It is ridiculous not to have an override feature on the RX350 Nav system. In our driving, I am the driver and my wife is the navigator. I never use the nav system from the driver's seat while driving, but she uses it from the passenger's seat all the time. What a mindless engineering decision that was.

I feel it is much more dangerous to slow down and pull to the side of a freeway or interstate to change the navigation system, when my wife or I, whichever is the passenger can make the changes while keeping up with traffic.

The whole system is cumbersome to use. The other day my wife was trying to input Plymouth meeting, PA and it kept defaulting to Plymouth CT. It wouldn't even let us type in the name. We gave up. In the 2 years we owned the car, I have yet to get the navigation system to actually find an address, and I am no new comer to electronic gadgets. As for the lock-out feature, if I could get the stupid system to work, it would frustrate me beyond belief. If they are trying to prevent an accident, then the next thing you know they'll limit our speed or the time of day we drive (Toyota might think it's too dangerous to drive after 11:00 PM or during rush hour) Heck, why not disable the radio (there are a few songs that my daughter listens to that should be locked out) or the interior lights, even the glove box should be locked to keep me from rummaging through it while driving, and any other button that might distract me. Long live personal freedom!

I cannot believe this! I pay $2,000. more for the Navigation System on my new $40,0000. 2008 Loaded 4WD Limited Highlander and I have to stick my Portable Garmin on the dash to navigate on the go! The Dealer Conveniently forgot to mention that when I was ordering the vehicle. I have an owners manual that's the size of a phone book and Toyota thinks this action is going to keep you from being distracted. Give me a Break!

Being unable to use the nav system while in motion is bogus.

Ridiculous for toyota to think that it is safer to pull to the side of the road multiple times during a trip to input various destinations. This makes the gps much less of an asset than other systems. It certainly is NOT a safety issue

I just got a new 2008 Sienna Limited AWD and slowly discovered the lockout 'feature' as my Wife and I tried hard to figure out why sometimes we could do something and sometimes we could not. Now I know. We were excited that we could manage the DVD controls from the front as our 4 year and 5 month old could not -- until we suddendly found ourselves on the road and not able to start the movie. To be honest this type of restrictions never even crossed my mind as a possibility and unfortunately my dealer did not mention it too me. This lockout along with the lack of routing details in many parts of the USA make this Nav system fairly worthless. I'll probably have to place my Pocket PC Tom Tom running alongside as well as the Pocket PC phone keypad so I can also make calls. I have downgraded from a $200 PPC to a $1.5K Toyota Nav System. Sigh. I would defintely had removed this from my option list had I known. And as I wanted built-in Nav would have gone with a Honda or Nissan -- or possibly 3rd party install. I will mosy likely go for another make next time as this type of thinking is archaic and obviously unecessary given other car and GPS manufacturers approaches. In general the system is disappointing, Nav and phone being the worst, MP3 playing is not well done form a UI viewpoint either (you have to go down multiple levels to see the MP3 tags for example -- and they disappear to once you are moving) and the whole system is not intuitive in general for any functions. Its a shame really as the rest of the van is impressing me and the Nav has soured me from this otherwise great experience. Come on Toyota, you could make a whole set of pleased customers by sending out a firmware update to fix all of this ...

Inconvienent, annoying, distracting - and wrong. I understand the concept - don't let people do too many things at once, but my husband and I drive together all the time. It means we don't use the system (because I'm not going to pull off the expressway every time we want to check out a new waypoint). With this many people upset, you'd think they'd publish a revised version. I'm truly disappointed in Toyota

I am enjoying our new 2008 Highlander AWD. I have been using portable Navigation system and have been happy with it. I have never heard of this navigation system with a "feature" stopping user (passenger) setting our next lunch stop to our favorite fast food along the way to our destination while driving. We have to stop somewhere nearby. It is becoming dangerous now as I tend to roll slowly after a red light just turned green to keep the destination setting active! I tried stop doing that, but this stupid nav system...I am seriously considering sticking my portable GPS on the windshield, which is crazy considering I paid so much more for the nice built-in unit!!!I started to look around and found some solution (warranty voiding) of cutting the wire harness and so on. NOT GOOD situation at all for me.

I have a 2008 Toyota Camry Hybrid and they only had two options, plain vanilla or a car that was fully loaded with all the options including Nav. Leather seats without Nav was unavailable. Nav is a pretty high priced feature that has limited capability on the road when my wife is unable to search for points of interest or key in an address we're looking for while we're en route. Finding a place to pull over on a freeway is certainly a more dangerous alternative. I also discovered that the bluetooth cell phone I purchased just before buying the car, is only partly functional with the Toyota telephone setup. I am happy to throw my support into an effort to get Toyota's attention that limiting the usefullness of their options that we paid good money for, is not a way to treat their customers. Other than that, I could not be more pleased with the car.

Pain in the you know where. I feel the decision to pull over should not be a forced one when using items I own.

Pain in the you know where. I feel the decision to pull over should not be a forced one when using items I own.

its dangerous pulling over all the time

Here in Holland same issue. Ridiculous behaviour of Toyota. I'm getting bored of the all the beeps in the car for lights, belts, keys in ignition etc. The fact that the satnav can only be operated during complete standstill is making this car very unsafe.

It bothers me. I would like the override option back.

I understand that it is for safety but the passenger can't even use it. I was told it could be disabled - wrong!!!

Toyota needs to know that buyers will stay away from their GPS in favor of the portable systems available that do not restrict passengers. Honda's GPS in the C-RV does not restrict. I would not have upgraded to the Prius GPS system had I known of this defect.

Why stop at just limiting the use of the Navi. We shouldn't be able to use the radio, phone, windows, sunroof...and we shouldn't be allowed to bring our children in the car. If there ever was a distraction from driving it is two siblings fighting in the back seat!

It is ridiculous to not allow a passenger to control the navigation system as you can do for every portable or add-on system on the market.

As others, we were told the issue was one the service dept. could resolve when we brought the car in @5k miles. After asking to have this resolved the service dept. said there was nothing they could do.

Not only is it locked out but not accurate (up to date) also have a store bought garmen that is way more up to date

My wife and I travel together 95% of the time. The navigation system, which was something we specifically purchased loses a majority of its value if my wife cannot operate it while the vehicle is in motion. I am VERY disappointed with this recent revelation. We have only had the 2008 van six weeks. This is our first Toyota van and may possibly be our last.

This is absolutely asinine. I can understand not allowing the driver to make NAV changes but the passenger? Why not use the sensor already present in the passanger seat, warning of an unbuckled seat belt, to allow NAV changes when a passenger is present. I would still have purchased the Prius but I definately would not have purchased the NAV system. I use my Garmin and totally wasted $2000.

I would not have purchased the pricey navigation unit had I known it could not be used while the car is in motion. It is rediculous that I cannot input information while my husband is driving. This issue needs to be brought to a class action suit and legislation should be inacted to prevent this fraud against consumers.

I got this car for my wife because she wanted a built in navi system like the one on my Honda. Had I known it wouldn't work the way we were used to operating mine, I wouldn't have paid the extra money for this LEMON. I feel as though I've been ripped off.

Is it realistic to think we can receive a refund of the navigation option on my August, 2007 purchased(new) LS 460 ? I am also about to purchase a new 2008 GX470. Thanks, _____

I paid a substantial premium for the Toyota Camry Hybrid with the navigation system to find that my portable Garmin was more usable. I will never buy another vehicle where the manufacturer treats me like an imbecile. Providing a warning is a nuisance I can live with but an non-overrideable lockout is totally unacceptable.

It is my responsibility to use the car's features responsibly. I don't see Toyota installing breathalysers on the ignition, so I guess I can assume that Toyota believes Nav systems are more of a hazard than drunk drivers.

It is a problem that my wife (Passenger)cannot set the destinations when I am driving. I am using a Garmin instead and wll not buy another Toyota or Lexas

This totally reduces the functionality of the navigation and phone system. I was in the car as a passenger with my wife driving and I couldn't enter in a destination address on the GPS. This goes too far!!

I wouldn't have spent the cash, when $350.00 gets a great hand held system, with turn by turn directions. first toyota product, and definitely my last

We purchased a new 2007 Tundra with the nav system. We could not find this truck with the nav system locally and had to have it shipped in to get the nav system. We paid $500.00 dollars to get it shipped in from another state. The system does not allow search for buisness addresses that are not already in the system. It has a poor address search ability. The mapping is very outdated and not reliable. Really hate the lock out and the voice navigation is very difficult to work with and many times it cannot recognize what you are saying. I would have never bought this system had I known about the lockout feature. I love the Truck though and would recommend it. I have contacted a Toyota customer sevice rep and have asked for a full refund and to have the unit removed from the truck and I want to purchase an after market unit. It was not well received. I will go to the attorney generals office and petition with them if toyota does not do a refund. They need to at least provide a disclaimer.

Dislike the new procedure on the 2007 models concerning the GPS.

I have the camry hybrid, same toyota problem as the other models. It is not safe for me to pull over and select closest gas station- my car is likely to get hit from behind

Without the functionality in the navigation, it is useless. Please provide overide so your customer can get what they paid for

I'm more annoyed about the telephone lock-out then the GPS. I've used a Garmin in a car for several years and, even with lock-out, feel the in-car Nav is better. Differences is the responsiveness and lack of annoyance in re-calculating a route when you change. Makes the need to interact much less. The display of XWay POIs is very helpful. Now that I know movement kills it, can work-around in most cases. (I think an easy hack could come if you knew how the software defines movement. Honestly, I didn't associate movement with change until I read these notes, so it has to be movement above a certain amount and maybe related to the gas engine.) The telephone, however, bugs me no end. It makes using it almost impossible. As someone noted, at least give me the number screen in all cases. Having it on the screen and the hands-free sound around you is much safer than trying to type on a Blackberry while trying to find an access code. Drops utility over 80%!

Toyota must offer an overide feature. Or, lose another customer.

It completely sucks. There's really not much additional to say that hasn't already been said on this site. It is a HUGE annoyance that, if known, I would have just gone with a Garmin or something (or purchased the Acura). I have 2 Toyotas ... and except for the Nav system issue, I love the vehicles.

Pointless

The car should be smart enough to know that someone in the passenger seat and let them use the navigation system.

This a ridiculous example of inappropriate "in loco parentis."

It is outrageous that a 27,000$ car is not fully usable due to this idiotic feature. I am an adult, who is able to make informed decisions. Toyota's strongarming is uncalled for and I am advising friends towards the Honda. While this is not the end of the world, it shows that Toyota does not care for their customers.

I think it is ridiculous that you don't have an option to overide the navigation system so it can be used while moving. This is a major feature that has factored into what make and model vehicle that I am prepared to buy.

The requirement to pull over in order to map a destination, dial the phone, or even access my already pre-programmed phone numbers is dangerous and makes the entire system practically useless. I would not have bought the vehical had I know about this.

Big brother Government is bad enough but a big brother manufacturer is too much.

I should be able to disable the feature.

I am in the process of buying a Highlander for my wife to replace the totaled Honda Pilot she had. We asked for the nav system and the sales person was so insistent that we get an aftermarket unit. He said we would be much happier. While Toyota has taken a mother stance, it is nice to know that some sales people will still watch out for their customers.

By far, the most disliked function of the car is the inability to utilize an expensive option. I feel very ripped off........In the past Toyota has been fairly responsive to consumer requests and suggestions......I guess they no longer care......Currently own 4 Toyotas, but will be looking elsewhere for the next one.....Over 30 K for a new car, and it cant be fully utilized.....I have learned my lesson. If the Nav system can't be used, then the car will NOT be bought......

2008 4 RUNNER Make hybrid dvd and everthing will work. Must have copy of old dvd from someone.Replace new firmware data file with old firmware and burn new dual layer dvd. Now you have new maps with old firmware. Eject old map dvd and insert new hybrid dvd. Turn off engine and disconnect battery for at least 60 seconds. Reconnect battery and start engine. The new firmware will be installed.You can even put the original dvd back in and as long as the battery stays connected all the old hacks for the override will work.

I will be replacing my Prius in the next few months. Suffice it to say that I will not buy a new Prius. GPS technology has been a huge boon to my driving experience. However, I get so frustrated taking my Magellan Road Mate and manually attaching it to the windshield of my car when I paid a lot of extra money to use the internal system. There is an expression in Japanese of "Zama Miro" which loosely translated means, "you poor fool, I completely snookered you and there is nothing you can do about it." I feel Toyota is saying Zama Miro to everyone that bought their car. Although there is likely nothing that will change with those of us that fell for the misinformation on the Navigation system, in the future as Toyota slips from their market leading position, we will be able to look at them and declare Zama Miro as well.

If the voice recognition feature was reliable for all speaking, it would not be as bad. When I get something on the screen totally different than what was spoken, it becomes very distracting and annoying. I would have kept my Garmin and gotten a lower number package for this car if I had known this.

I live in Los Angeles where pulling over is hazardous, while asking my wife to input Navigation is simply convenient. Toyota's decision to not respond to consumers' concerns with this is as problematic as the situation itself.

This seems to be to be a fraud on consumers, when neither the dealers or promotional reviews indicate that Toyota had chosen to disable a function that is available to purchasers of cars from any other automobile manufacturer. I want my money back for purchasing a non-functioning option - the whole purpose of a car is to drive it, which requires that the vehicle be in motion. So what should be a safety enhancing feature now is a source of frustration and unsafe behavior as we all work to find our way around without its help. Sign me up for hacks and for the class action suit.

it is useless. Would not have got the navi if I new this. I know someone who made a hybrid copy and was able to remove the lockout and the override worked like previous models. I tried it in a 2008 4runner. I will let people know what to remove from the dvd before burnig. Also there still has to be a way for techs to get to a service menu to check for problems.

I have that you can't override the new nav. I would not have got the car if I would have known this.

Honda should be on the list of alternate choices. I compared the Prius to the Civic Hybrid. I liked the Prius better 'till I discovered the lack of control of the phone and Nav (after I bought it). My wife is constantly frustrated at being unable to control the Nav - makes it almost useless. I don't need it going to work every day (I've learned the route); I need it when we're going on trips! (Ed: Done! Thank you for the input. )

Need to unlock this thing, it is a pain in the ass to stop every time and not what i paid for

I agree everytime I turn the car on to the disclaimer on the screen. That should be sufficient to allow me to take responsibility for inputting an address while driving or having a passenger do it for me... this is very annoying!!!

It is not safe to pull over all the time. I travel with my wife and would like here to program for fodd etc. while driving.

There are often two of us in the car with multiple addresses to visit. It's NOT POSSIBLE to stop on many of the freeways we drive on so not having the override feature renders the system useless many times. I have 3 Toyotas - 1 Prius and 2 Camrys. Only one of the Camry's has 6.1 and we won't upgrade the other SOLELY because 6.1 doesn't have the override features. Removing the override is insulting. If you are afraid of lawsuits, why not have one of those infernal "I Agree" screens after punching in the override code. That might make your lawyers happy and please your customers too.

Prefer my garmin over this - what a pain to have to be stopped to 'go' anywhere.

The silence of the Toyata dealerships on this issue says it all. If customers were informed of this lockout feature on the GPS systems, many sales would be lost. I will never purchase a Toyata again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. What a disappointment!

I had no idea, when I purchased the 2006 Avalon, that the navigation system could not be utilized, by a passenger, while driving. I have contacted Toyota on three occasions and was not able to get any logical explanation from them. Their pat answer is "Due to safety precautions, the design of the Navagation sustem is such that the vehicle has to be stopped prior to either the passenger or the driver making any changes." I told then, via e-mail, that my only choice is to purchase a non Toyota car and I am sure that they could care less. My two sons and brother in law have Honda Pilots and CRV with Navagation systems that work the way that I would expect and are even more user friendly than Toyota's. I will consider purchasing a Honda of some type with their Navagation system unless a fix can be found for my Avalon..

Absolutely obsurd that I have to pull over and stop my car to change my destination! No one else I know that has a GPS system has to stop while driving to operate it! What is wrong with you at Toyota & Lexus? I'm buying a $300 GPS system I can use! This will be my last Toyota. You guys need to get with the program. My spouse can punch in the buttons to reroute us if needed, the driver isn't the only one that needs to operate the nav system. The passanger (navigator) should be able to operate the system without having to stop the vehicle. I'm sure glad you don't have the contract for nav systems on airplanes. We'd have to land the plane in order to change routes in-flight!!!! Not being able to use the phone system while in motion is stupid as well. I now have to use my actual cell phone to use the phone system. Wake up! You are not stopping me from using my phone while driving, I just can't use your system. This is more unsafe to have to fumble around for my cell while driving instead of being able to input it on the screen. Again, you are not giving your customers what they want. Apparently you have more customers than you need. Fix the nav problem or you'll have one less Toyota customer for my next vehicle.

I would not have bought the limited with the Navigation system. I could have bough an aftermarket system that would have also worked with XM for much less. My salesman told me about the over ride so I figured that would be fine. Much to my suprise the over ride did not work after delivery of my new $50k truck.

Idiotic that the navigation cannot be used in route. Also updated maps needed.

In drives me crazy that with a person sitting in the "navigators" seat, the system is still disabled. If someone's butt is in the passanger seat, the nav system should be operable, at the very least.

Often more dangerous to pull over and stop (or race ahead to next traffic light hoping to buy a few seconds of downtime to operate your nav system.

Pissed off all the time.

I was torn between another BMW and a Prius when I bought my 07 Prius. If I had known about the poor access to navigation before I bought it, I would have leaned more strongly toward another BMW.

It's absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully word will spread and with it sales drop. If Toyota wants to remain a leading manufacturer their going to have to allow the consumer to bypass this safety feature. (Ed: We are going to ramp up visibility of this issue. Stay tuned.)

Not discovered until our first trip with the car. Totally ruined the trip. Will be talking strongly to the salesman when I get back to town and seeking a remedy. (Ed: Good luck. I went through the Arbitration process and got bumkis. Best thing you can do now is warn everyone to stay away from Toyota and Lexus until customer service returns is important again.

It is extreely dangerous as I somtimes activate a function only to have it not work. I am then distracted from looking ahead as I try to figure this out. My Garmin 7200 has an "I agree to accept responsibility" button that opens all functions while driving. I think this is much safer for the driver and passanger.

Dealer told me he did not know how to use the navigation system; he never told me that it "locks-up" when you drive the vehicle. The GPS is worthless to me. (Ed: Well, feigning ignorance may make it easier for him to sleep at night, rather than telling an outright lie.)

The NAV system is useless. I would not have bought the NAV if I had known of the restriction. As a minimum, the passenger should be able to use the system.

the nav system is very bad for $1850 its a ripoff

It sucks a lot, especially since there is almost always a passenger in the car who cannot use the navigation system

Override should be reinstated.

This totally sucks! We just traded in our 2005 Prius with Nav (where you could override the system) and now find out you can't do it on the 2008 Highlander Limited we just bought. This is my wife’s car and it is more dangerous to pull over on the side of the road or in a bad neighborhood to reset you destination in the Nav. For $45,000.00 I guess I expected more from Toyota. If anything ever happens to my wife as a result of not being able to override the system my lawyer will have a field day with have Toyota... I will own the company when I'm done with them. And my first order of business will be to upgrade the Nav program to override the system. Toyota, get with the program.

VERY DANGEROUS AND UNNECESSARY!!!!

Looking for fix.

I do not mind that it defaults back to the "safe mode" but I need to have the option, while with a passenger, to over-ride the lockout on my 2006 Prius!

Not being able to use the navigation system while driving is one of the most hazardous features I've ever seen! While driving down 95 we needed to take an alternate route. Of course we would have to pull over to do this. The passenger is fully capable of pushing buttons. Pulling over is very dangerous. No one wants to let you back in. A non factory system allows a driver to change their system while the car is motion. Why does Toyota feel it is their right to make the decision for the consumer. It is not a law to have pull over. I'm extremely disappointed in Toyota's decision to put this lock on the system. If this is a safety feature I'd hate see what they call a hazard! What next, no vanity mirrors, or rear view mirrors so that commuters can't shave or put on makeup? Oh, that's not a hazard? It's time to treat the consumers as adults and let them judge how to drive. If there was a law in place to have it blocked that's one thing, but to impose a restriction on a consumer, without the advertisement of it, is a bit extreme. As a Toyota family, 3 in the driveway, and 6 in the past, it may be time to look at Honda's open system! It's nice to see Honda believes their consumers to be adults and able to make a decision.

VOICEMAIL on Bluetooth!! If the 1, 7 and 9 buttons weren't greyed out, I would be much happier, as these are the most commonly used options for voicemail. I also agree that they should have never removed the override. I can't get it to work on my 2005 Lexus ES330 either. I think they removed it from that car as well. If I had known this I would have opted for an older Toyota/Lexus with no NAV and bought a VALOR unit to replace the factory radio.

I have a 2005 Toyota Sienna, and the override works great, but the 2007 Avalon drives me nuts. If I knew where the wire was to cut, I would cut it right now. I guess I will have to pull over to enter data.

It is not Toyota's place to decide how the navigation is used. We travel together, and let the passanger use the system on our HONDA, a far better nav system. It's not us, its the system. It is inaccurate, has poor resolution, and lacks controls to make it useful. To think that we purchased two Toyotas in the last three years. That will change.

Do you know how many arguments my wife and I had during our first few weeks we owned this thing? "I'm sure there's a way to get rid of the 'I Agree' button-- there's got to be-- maybe we have to sign in blood somewhere." "Change of plans honey, put in this address instead... What do you mean it's not working?... Then it's broken... I can't pull over here, are you kidding me?" "Call John and see if he gave us the right address... We're locked out of the system?... Well I left my phone in my briefcase-- I thought that's what 'hands-free' meant... I am not pulling over here, are you kidding me!!!"

This is the ONLY manufacturer that prohibits the user from controlling the nav system when moving. If I have a passenger it is much safer than pulling over. WHY do they do this? Thanks

I think Toyota is overstepping their manufacturer responsibilities by thinking they need to police the way people use the navigation system. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? GOD OF THE HIGHWAY? If they disable the nav system, they need to disable all the other functions on the touch screen as well. I cannot use the other phone, audio or climate controls any quicker than I could the nav system controls. I resent it more that a passenger cannot at least use it while another person is driving. If the other manufacturers like Honda are not trying to set these ridiculous rules then Toyota should not do it either.WAKE UP TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very problematic especially when there is another adult in the car on a long trip

Toyota all but ruined my family vacation this past summer. We took a road trip on the east coast and found the navigation system useless as my family and I struggled to find safe pull off spots to look up POI's. Damn you Toyota. Who the hell do you think you are. This is America and we American's don't like to be told what we can and can't do. I am considering trading my Sienna in on a Buick Enclave because this navigation system IS a BIG deal to me.

one word.....STUPID

What were they thinking?

This is our third Prius, first navigation system. It is not very intuitive in its operation, but we'll learn to use it. However, we would not have bought the navigation system had we known of this stupid "safety" feature. My husband and I take trips together. For me to be locked out when he driving (and vice versa) is infuriating. Arghhhh....!!!

Amazing that Toyota feels the needs to take control away from driver and passenger. This violates general principals of keeping the user in control of their environment.

I use my Garmin nuvi ($300) instead of my much more expensive Toyota Nav System. I guess Garmin respects the consumers judgement and Toyota doesn't.

I would have seriously considered not getting the convenience package that had the nav and bluetooth included. Both are hard to use and the nav system, compared to a $300 Garmin, is the most frustrating piece of equipment to use. At least let the passenger use it.

I would not have bought the NAV system if I knew. How do I revert to 5.1 firmware after foolishly inserting the 6.1 disk? What would these stupid lawyers do if someone crashes while dialing a phone number using the (small, inconvenient) phone instead of the on-screen keyboard (that is blocked). What if someone crashes while entering destination by panning/pointing on the map (slow, distracting) instead of picking a previous destination (one tap)? Idiots.

a pain in the a**...

We had a 2007 camry that was totaled in a collosion and we just replaced it with a 2008. My wife often drives the car with me as the passenger. Very often, I will make some adjustment to the nav system while she is driving. This "lock out", not only defeats the nice customizations of the nav system but, makes it very frustrating when responding to a call that requires us to set a new destination. It was annoying enough to enter the override codes but, now I feel the system could actually be dangerous when we have to find a place to stop the car.

I sold my BMW M3 and bought the Hybrid becasue I wanted to do the environmentally right thing, only to discover that the simple task of programming a destination while driving could not be done. This dangrous feature that requires a drive to pull over in order to program it should be disabled. I was told there is a workaround, but this site makes it appear that is not the case. Bummer!

needs a over ride

If driving, I would never use the touch screen navigation system. But there are always 2 people in my car...a driver and a front seat passenger. I resent the fact that the passenger doesn't have access to the full navigation functionalities while the driver keeps both eyes on the road.

It is acceptable that I would have to agree that it may be unsafe by requiring the "I Agree" button....but after that, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TO USE WHILE IN MOTION!!!!!

This needs to be fixed.

This is a moronic, invasive and unnecessary action to disrupt our lives. I'm just waiting for someone's family to sue Toyota because a family member got killed or seriously injured while being pulled over on the side of the road trying to setup a destination address. It also makes the Nav system, which wasn't that great to begin with, very cumbersome to use. For example, I regularly get diverted to some other destination than what was my original intention. If on the freeway, I have to now pull off on an exit road because it's too dangerous to stop on the side of the freeway. Exiting can also be a big issue, since sometimes it's difficult to find an entrance to get back on freeway and you may find yourself in a dangerous neighborhood. In any case, I am the driver of my vehicle, certified to do so by the driver's license I carry. As such, I want to be responsible for everything associated with driving the vehicle. So, if I want my passenger to plug in new addresses or anything else that doesn't distract me, this should be my, not the automobile manufacturer's decision.

Shame on you, Toyota.

The "feature" is on a par with Saab not putting cupholders because people shouldn't have a cup of coffee while they drive. Saab stopped selling cars and decided to put them in. I can see the logic of this as a default setting, but providing not way to disable it borders on criminal. Does Toyota think that we always drive alone in the US? If I had known, I would have bought the lower end model and a portable GPS and saved some money.

Absolutely ridiculous that Toyota has disabled one of the attributes that makes a GPS useful. When I contacted customer service, they initially claimed it was a "safety feature". When I pointed out that things like changing climate control settings or worse changing a CD took the same or more attention away from the road, they stopped the safety claim. Now they simply say it is performing as designed. If they had made me aware of this limitation before purchase, I would certainly have gone with another manufacturer. (Ed: Toyota has told me this is a legal decision made by the company lawyers. When the lawyers are driving, they will drive the company into the ground.)

Extremely stupid; Toyota could at least allow navigation control when a passenger is present. Preferably, it should be possible to disable this "feature" (both bluetooth and nav) through a menu choice. I'd even be cool with having to do it every time I start the car, but blocking it totally is just bs. Which also goes for the "I Agree" screen. Yes, I still agree, just like I did 5 minutes ago, moron. Just like yesterday. And the day before that, 15 times. And before that, countless times. Gah.

Similar to everyone else who has posted on this site. The NAV system is a useless piece of junk if you cannot use it when you are driving. (Ed: make sure to get the word out to potential buyers. Losing sales is the only effect that will get them to change their minds.)

If Toyota really wanted to protect consumers rather than just protect themselves from lawsuits that other auto manufacturers are curiously not worried about, why not tie the ability to use the navigation system while driving to the airbag weight sensor in the passenger seat? If there is enough weight in the passenger seat to suggest that there is a capable person sitting there, then allow navigation while driving.

It is extremely annoying!! That damn 'I Accept' button is also driving me crazy, I mean how many times to I have to accept!

Just another case of big corporations not thinking things through, and then stone-walling in the face of an easy solution. The secret override is baloney as well, since the system should just work the right way to begin with!

I was ready to trade my '04 on a new Prius. Thanks to these tips I think I will keep it a while and see if Toyota corrects their error in judgement. I just hate shopping

By far this is the most ridiculous sanction that Toyota is imposing on it's owners of their higher end models available with Navigation. I consider myself a very safe driver and pushing a few buttons on my navigation system is no more dangerous than changing the radio station or adjusting the air conditioner. Unless they (Toyota) can enhance the voice recognition software to be a bit more intuitive covering many more of the navigation options, then they need to release an updated software version with the override function built back in.

WHEN I HAVE A PASSANGER HE/SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE NAVIGATION SYSTEM WHILE THE CAR IS IN MOTION. (Ed: What? You mean like other manufacturers do? )

Passengers should have the ability to use the navigation system even while driving.

It is extremely annoying that even with a passenger we cannot use the navigation system or phone if the car is moving. The car already recognizes the passenger for the airbag system, why can't it use that sensor to override the nav/phone system as well?

My Audi let my passenger program the GPS. I may not have bought my Camry if I knew this. (Ed: If you counted all the people who would not have bought the car under those circumstances, is it enough for a class action suit?)

there is no reason the passenger should not be able to use all the features of this system when the passenger seat is occupied.

I traded in my '91 Mercedes S500 for a loaded Camry XLS with nav. I was shocked and very disappointed to find this limitation which severely limits my ability to utilize this car to its full potential. Toyota's decision to summarily limit use of their product does not meet the terms or spirit of my contract for purchase. There should be a class action suit initiated to rectify this.

This is one of the most annoying items I have ever encountered. I have previously owned nav systems from BMW and Acura. The 2001 Acura system was better than this system in terms of ease of use and also due to the fact that it did not mandate that you not use it while in motion). The 2002 BMW system was not well designed but at least you could enter things while in motion. I will not buy another Toyota product until they fix this.

I would appreciate any information on legal over rides of this system

I would NOT have bought the package #6 which included the Navigation if I knew it was this useless. I would have bought a Garmin GPS instead......which is fully functional ALL the time, more accurate in routing, and much more functional. Total waste of money on this Prius!!!!!!

This is my Van when I pay for it. The disclosure i agree to everytime I start the van should be enough.

A pain in the neck.

This entire thing stinks in my opinion. The passenger is left out of the equation as well as all the other good reasons.

If I hadnt got used to using other GPS units it wouldnt bother me as much. The idea that If I bought It I should have the features all the time I paid for. I am tired of Big Brother making decisions for me.

The car knows when a passenger is in the passenger seat (for the airbag), so why can't it also allow these features automatically (without need for an override sequence) when a passenger is in place? And since when do cars force people to drive safely? I can talk on my cell phone, eat a burrito, apply makeup, and read a book while driving - so why can't I dial the phone, or set a destination? I can read a map - which is way more dangerous - or get directions from my phone - way more dangerous - dial my phone from the phone itself - way more dangerous. I already have to push the stupid I Agree button EVERY time I start the dang car...

Definitely would not buy the navigation system if I would have known. Will pass the poor review to everyone I talk to about this. Very upset about losing $2,500 on a poor design. I now have 2 navigation systems in my new car, my old Garmin 330 on the Dash "EXCELLENT SYSTEM" and the Wasted Screen on the TOYOTA SYSTEM that would be used better as a empty hole for more storage. (Ed: Maybe the remedy is have Toyota refund each of us who purchased their useless $2500 system.)

I would never have paid for the Nav system (or even gotten the car) had I known that no one, not even a passenger, could input crucial information while the car was in motion. This creates a ridiculous waste of time when you have to pull off of a highway and stop and type in your destination. Worthless.

Used the override available prior to '07. upgraded to new software and it went away. I'm very upset.

Whilst watching a DVD on the move is crazy all the other disabled functions are the sort of things that are all available on all competitive vehicles.

We purchased an RX400H with the intent of getting it fully loaded for all the toys. We traded in our BMW X5 and I must say what a mistake. The suv is fine but locking the NAV should have been explained. I asked the sales person if they fixed that NAV lock problem and he told me yes...they did....he lied and now I don't think I will ever buy a lexus again after this experience. If we pay top dollar for a vehicle...it shouldn't be restricted.

This really is dangerous when you need to change directions while on a freeway.

I have a 2005 ES330 with Nav and use the override function frequently. Although I didn't specifically ask the dealer when I was shopping for a 2007 GX, I didn't even think I couldn't override the system. If I had known, I may have still bought the car, but not with the nav system. It would have been better to buy an aftermarket system. Please let me know if anyone ever finds a way to override the nav system, and the front DVD too!

If people can smoke cancer sticks and dip worm dirt, I ought to be able to drive my f**king car that I paid over $30k for and get directions to where I need to go, without having to come to a complete f**king stop. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I purchased a 2008 camry hybrid fully loaded over the weekend only later to discover that I couldn't use the GPS while in motion. My previous GPS allowed me to change the destiation while in motion. It was never a problem or a risk as I would have my passenger change the destination while we were driving, if we needed to change things or look up phone numbers for local businesses. Toyota should reimplement the override. Had I known I couldn't change the destination enroute, I would have not purchased the navigation system and simply used the portible garmin unit I had in my previous car. (Ed: Another customer who was not told about the change. Is this fair? Not if you just spent $30,000 for a new car. Tell people before they buy!)

Unless Toyota is going to pay to insure my car, I should be able to use my navigation system when and where I choose to.

The passenger should be able to do all functions at any time. Even very simple setup items are blocked and I have to try to remember to change them when stopped. If a way could be found to allow the passenger to do everything while blocking the driver from these functions, I would support that. I look forward to receiving info on nav changes, including version updates.

Toyota's attorneys appear to be far more paternalistic than Honda's or BMW's. This will affect my decision to buy another Toyota

I'm new to NAV, but did fully expect to be able to use the function while driving. You can change radio stations. Any responsible person can handle the momentary attention away from the road.

Extremely upset to put it nicely that they chose to do this. Won't be considering a toyota again if it remains this way. I borrowed my brother's Garmen nuvi handheld gps for my family vacation. Used the screen of the sienna Nav for the suction cups of the handheld garman. (Ed: Best use of the Nav screen while moving. Others take note.)

Fuel economy is more important to me, so there is presently no viable alternative to the Prius on the market. (Ed: True 'dat. But save money and buy a Garmin, TomTom, Magellan or Lowrance and use it while you are in motion.)

this is bullshit

I love my '07 Prius. I loved my '05 and '02 Prii (pre-eye) as well. After learning of the override, and using it quite frequently (with no ill effects on driving ability) in my '05 Prius, I was very disappointed when I tried it on my '07 and it didn't work. I am now stuck with, IMO, a half-working navigation system with partially functioning bluetooth!

I actually got a ticket from a cop on I95 in Maryland for pulling over to use my Nav system. He pulled up behind me when I stopped and put my flashers on. He walked over and asked me if I needed help. I explained that I was trying to put directions in my Nav system and had to pull over to do so. He informed me that he'd have to write me a ticket because I had pulled over on the highway and it wasn't an emergency!!!! It cost me $95 and 2 points on my license!!! TOYOTA! ARE YOU LISTENING!!! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN THE U.S. TO PULL OVER ON A HIGHWAY FOR A NON-EMERGENCY!!!! ARE YOU GOING TO REIMBURSE ME FOR MY TICKET??? The cop informed me that next time I should go to an exit and pull over off the exit or find a shop/gas station etc at the next exit. My question was, "what if I'm on a turnpike like the NJ turnpike or the PA turnpike where doing that would cost me $$?" His response was, its cheaper than a ticket. Screw you Toyota. I've owned 2 Prius and a Highlander Hybrid. I'm not buying another Toyota unless I find out this problem is fixed. And by the way, my lease is up in March of 2008. I'll be seeing the nearest Honda dealer...(Ed: At least it was only a ticket and not an accident from trying to get back on the highway...)

Hopefully someone will come up with a hack !

I just purchased the car last week and used the GPS on a trip this weekend. It's very inaccurate....gave me incorrect directions, missing streets, etc. I'm calling Toyota to complain.

Its bad enough when all phases of ones life is monitored and controlled by big bro, but now a private company prevents me from using equippment I paid good money for in the way it is most useful! What's next -- will they now install shields to prevent cell phone use, how about text messaging while driving, or lock the CD player so you can't change disks, or have the car turn off if it smells an order of fries. I test drove both a Honda Pilot and Nissan Murano and both allowed changes while driving. It seems Toyota really went overboard on this one and had I known I would not have bought this car.

This information should be made available before buying vehicle.

The fact that the input features are disables while driving is extreemly inconvenient!! Also, often times pulling over to use the navigation is more dangerous. It is my car...Toyota must give me the ability to use it the way I want to. Until a law is passed prohibiting the use of nav while driving, I want that ability!!!

I should have the option to activiate or inactivate the use of my navigation by passenger. Toyota treats me without respect. I do not plan on bying another toyota as a result

If they really care or had thought this out, Toyota would have required that the passenger seat sensor be activated before the screen can be activated while moving. I know that someone would be able to place weight on the seat to "trick" the system, but this would be an intentional action. Or even more simple, put a disclaimer in the "agreement" screen...... Nothing can be completely foolproof, because fools are so ingenious!!!

I wanted a Hybrid and at the time, the Camry was the only decent car available. I owned a Volvo S-80, the Nav unit was slow, but it was useable while driving and I never, ever had problems using it (the controls were on the steering column) We also own a Honda Odyssey. That NAV unit is also functional while in motion. Routinely, one us drives and the other navigates. I hate using the NAV in the Toyota. Even the voice recognition stinks. The ACCENTS are always on the wrong sylLABle.

very, very, very irritated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the passenger is in the car, the system should allow the functions to work. It knows if a child is in the set and disables the AirBag.

Would trade for honda.

I am extremely disappointed in how the Nav sysmtem works while driving. I was never told that it would not function while moving. My husband has a different make of car, that I certainly would have bought if I knew better.

I am extremely disappointed in how the Nav sysmtem works while driving. I was never told that it would not function while moving. My husband has a different make of car, that I certainly would have bought if I knew better.

We'd not have bought the car if we knew about this problem.

This is an option that shouldn't be blocked out, most of the time there is another person in the car that can navigate for you. What they should do is have the whole system unblocked if the car detects someone on the passanger seat, just like the Air Bag being on or off. If there is a person in the passanger seat, disarm the blocking of the nav and blue tooth functions.

I also own a BMW 530xi which does not have the limiation. The annoyance factor is so great that we have decided not to purchase the Solara in the future.

It is not Toyota's (or any car manufacturer's) responsibility to protect owners from their own stupidity. If I wreck while checking my rear view mirror... can I sue Toyota? No, of course not. Same should apply to the nav system.

i have two other cars with nav systems that can be used while driving... it makes no since to have to pull off the road to input where a point of interest is...

My husband drives and I navigate to have to pull over to use the navigation screen when I can safely use it in the passenger seat is really nuts. Im a 58 year old woman and know how to be safe.

We bought the car know that our friends use the override feature. This is very disappointing.

If Toyota decided to do the lockout to avoid distraction then how do you expalin the energy level consumption animation that really distracts the driver. I had an Acura before, the NAVi system was a breeze to use. The one in Toyota is overly complicated and locked while driving, I am extremely disappointed. I need navigation for my job, I make deliveries, I am already in pain a week after owning this. I love the car, had I know this I would not have bought navagation option and just buy me a $500 Tom Tom portable Navigation system.

I should be allowed to take the risks involved with using the navigation.

I've owned the 2008 Highlander for three weeks and can't believe this "safety feature." I would never have bought this SUV had I known about this -- but how would I know this was even a possibility!?!?!?!?! I previously owned a Honda Pilot and could use the Nav system at will -- so I didn't know to ask about this and certainly was not told as part of the sales process. The only thing more ludicrous that this restriction is listening to well-meaning Toyota employees trying to justify it and repeatedly calling it a “safety feature.” This is quite the “anti-safety feature” when I have to pull over in a dangerous neighborhood or off on the side of the interstate with no shoulder to reset my destination or move the view of my map!!! I actually took the car back to the dealer after I almost ran off the road trying to catch the caller ID on my Bluetooth connected cell phone when it failed to display on the Nav screen and I needed to know who it was before I answered. I was upset to think that the system didn't have Caller ID -- I was INFURIATED to know that it DID have Caller ID but wouldn't show it to me while moving!! Toyota aren't you listening yet?!?!?!? I’m not asking to watch DVD movies in my dash – that is just silly and illegal I believe; but if I pay $40,000 for a product, I fully expect to be able to use it any way I choose (within legal limits of course!) Toyota, you have NO business dictating MY activities in MY vehicle! Signed: A three-week-old-new-Toyota-owner who will never buy another Toyota! P.S. I am currently looking at options to do a trade-in on an Acura MDX even though I don't like the Acura body as well.

I had the ver5.1 , but the something malfunctioned causing the location to randomly change. The disk was replaced to 6.1 and now no override. Big Brother is TOO BIG.

I wish they would lift the override on the navigation. The passager is certainly capable of entering an address while in motion.

I was planning on updating our software to 6.1, but now plan to hold off until Toyota removed this restriction.

Very annoying to have to pull over to access the navigation to make changes or input new info

Can't load new poi Cant'use many nav features while driving

I was astonished that the navigation lock doesn't turn off when a passenger is in the car. It makes no sense, every other car maker does not do this. I would have not got this option if i knew it was like this.

Disabling the ability for an owner to take responsibility for their action, and use the product they purchased, should be illegal. My co-pilot is very pissed.

I use my turn signal while I'm driving. It doesn't do me much good if I park along side the road, and then turn the turn signal on, does it? Navigation is the same. I navigate while I'm driving; not parked on the side of the road in an unknown, or dangerous, neighborhood. Stupidest effin' thing I've ever seen on a car. Honestly, besides this ridiculous, and obvious, foul-up, I dig my new 2007 Toyota Camry. But, it would seem, one gets angrier and angrier at Toyota... the longer one drives the car, without being able to USE THE NAVIGATION!!!! FIX THE PROBLEM, TOYOTA!!!! PLEASE!!!!

As many others have stated, we are adults and can judge when to not use the navi while driving. Every other nav system allows you to enter information while driving. Having to stop on a 70 MPH Highway to get directions with an expensive Navi in your car is ridiculous. I really hope this site helps push a change to this software so it can be overriden by the owner!

Blocking the ability for the driver is a great thing. However doing 70 on the freeway and the passenger has to use the restroom or wants to know where to eat ... and even he brought his own cd's with mp3's and he couldn't browse them...WTF!!! Damn Toyota! I was glad at first because someone else in the house is a distracted driver and if he ever borrowed the truck I wouldn't worry since he does have a high accident rate. However I can buy a Garmin Nuvi and have the ability to manipulate the GPS and it also has bluetooth .... I want this unlocked!!! I would even be happy if it only unlocked when a passenger was in the seat (i.e...take the signal from the airbag sensor)....that would even be fine.

The nav system should be enabled so that it is usable for the passenger (at least) while in motion.

At least passenger of the vehicle should be able to operate the NAV system. The system is useless to me if I have to pullover every time I need a quick change look at the near by restaurants and shopping.

Stupid for all the reasons already given: dangerous, inconvenient, disrespectful of consumer intelligence.

I would have rather not paid for the nav system and just purchased an aftermarket system from Garmin which lets the passenger use it while driving.

I am old enough not to open the doors, climb into the back seat, go to sleep, stare for a long time at the radio when changing program, sit the dog on my knee, gaze at the sat nav whilst driving, look into the driving mirror to do my hair... If I'm not supposed to look at it, what's the screen for ? Trust me. I'm the driver..perhaps got more brains than you have when I'm driving! Its a serious condescending imposition..and bound to cause an accident , sooner or later,when on a motorway when someone finds a junction closed...what are you supposed to do..PARK UP ??? Answer me !!

I traded in a Honda that worked perfectly. Why did Toyota do this?

This really reduces the usefulness of an otherwise nice system. I concur with the others that a passenger should be able to enter information into the system to find reasonable places to stop, while traveling on a highway. I bought the hybrid to save gas and the navigation system to prevent unnecessary stops. Now I have to pull over and stop to find out where to stop. It seems to me that defeats the purpose of the system. I could just as easily take the next exit and stop at a gas station to ask the attendant without paying and extra $2000 for the vehicle.

You have the warning not to operate while driving, yet there are several other operations you can do while driving. Give us and our passenger the option to use the Nav system we paid for--while driving.

We recently took a long driving vacation and were constantly annoyed that we could not use the 2007 Camry navigation system to find restaurants, hotels, etc. while we were moving. My wife is an expert in using built-in navigation systems -- she has a 2007 Honda Civic that has a wonderful navigator, which does not have the annoying lockout. She is fully capable of using the Camry system as a passenger but she is prohibited from using the system (including the hands-free phone) 95 percent of the time we are in the car. It is like having a car with a small gas tank that requires refueling stops every 45 miles.

Let the adults choose what they do. Don't dictate it for us.

The passenger of the vehicle should be able to operate the NAV system. It can detect whether a child is in the seat and disable the airbag. The NAV should be treated the same.

Because Toyota does not offer as an option navigation in the RAV4 in the states I have been looking for a oem unit to have installed. They are such tight butts about their product it is really really difficult to find information about let alone a unit to purchase for my car .This is just another example of Toyota holding a pencil between their cheeks. Why can't they be cooperative and give folks what they are willing to pay for????? I so hope you can find away around this lock out !!!!

Toyota should provide a bypass that allows use of Navagation system if and only if the passenger seat is occupied. It knows this since it has a seatbelt light for the passenger. John

I just purchased the 6.1 update and cannot overide the system. I had to stop on the side of the interstate so my wife could use the system. This is inconvenient and very dangerous.

Without an override for the passenger's use of the NAV system, the system is useless to me. I will not buy a toyota or lexus.

It is more dangerous sometimes to pull over...also there is sometimes a front passenger who could use the feature. Why can't they use the Nav screen while I'm driving!? This makes no sense that they've disabled it.

This car is very nice; this restriction is very bad. Nearly had a wreck yesterday on I-85 trying to get off to find someplace to eat!

I think safety would be enhanced by allowing passengers to override the graying out of nav features while car is moving.

For the amount of money you have to spend on this navagation sytem i am totally and emphatically pissed. Not only can you not use the passanger not use the system while driving i just found out that I bought this stupid thing that doesn't cover 80% of the country. What good does it do if you can only use it in big cities. Hello are you people idiots. I will be talking to my attourney this week.

Need to have navigation override as a user option!!!

I own a Toyota Prius and have always hated the fact that I couldn't have my passenger use the NAV system to look up POI's while the car was moving, etc. The hack was somewhat of a solution, even if one had to do it every time the car was started. Now that I have upgraded my NAV to 6.1, the hack has been eliminated and I hate that.

Ofter more dangerous to pull over than to have a passenger input destination. Should be SIMPLE... use passenger seat sensor for the airbags. When passenger seat is occupied (and airbags activated as result) allow either an override or full NAV access. Or just grow a "pair" and let people control NAV like they control their radio, climate, etc. already.

I have a 2006 Sienna. When I got the car I knew the override since we also own a 2005 Prius. However my navigation system stopped working and was upgraded to a newer version which no longer has the override. It is extremely frustrating to not be able to see where things like gas and food is, especially while on a road trip. It is not save to pull over on the shoulder while traveling on an interstate to search for this info. We just completed a 10 hour road trip and this drove my husband & I crazy that I as the passenger could not look anything up. We needed to locate a hotel and at other times food for our kids. Ended up having to use his I-Phone for the hotel info.

I owna 2006 Toyota Prius, which is not listed in your vehicle type drop down list. The override isn't even a published procedure, but simply a "hack". Why can't Toyota do the same thing Honda does, simply having you acknowledge your responsibility at the beginning by clicking okay, and then allow the screen to be used by the passenger while driving?

I recently bought a Prius, specifically for its high-tech control panel. During daily commutes to work, I'm the sole driver, so the nav lock isn't an issue. On long trips, where my wife is driving and I'm the passenger, having the navigation, phone and other systems disabled will be a major obstacle (I can't have her pull over every time I want to do something).

The need to stop to access navigation is frankly very dangerous (as I have avoided moving at a light at times to finish my inputs) and makes the system quite useless. I take long road trips and need to use alternate routes, find gas etc (a passenger can certainly do it for me) but am unable so I purchased a stand alone Garmin to do what I already paid Toyota to do. I have both a hybrid Highlander and Camry ..never again.

Should have been explained at purchase.

Totally unacceptable. This should be a personal choice.

I find it very dangerous to pull off onto the shoulder of an interstate to look for service at an up coming exit.

Having to stop to change a route when you have someone in the pasager seat with nothing to do is stupid

Piss me off everytime you need to use the bloody thing a waste of money, espacailly when you can get more out a TOMTOM 910 then this navigation system. The new Toyota Aurion ZR6 here is Australia. Cheers Drew

Having to push "I accept" every time a drive the car is totally unacceptable. Not allowing my passenger to input a destination is also totally unacceptable. Fortunately I have a 2006 Toyota, so I can override the lockout, but every time we have to do that, I get furious with Toyota for such arrogance. I was thinking of upgrading to a new Navigation DVD (I thought maybe Alaska might have finally joined the US), but if a new version does not allow an override, there is NO WAY I will ever upgrade. Outside of the run-flat tires (which I don't have), the customer-antagonistic lawyer-generated features of the navigation system are the worst features of this car. There are other cars on the market, Toyota - Honda makes some great ones.

pretty stupid on their part- it is MORE dangerous with this limitation.

the lockout is ridiculous.

"I do not like the idea of being restricted on any feature in a car I
purchase. I understand the legal concerns involved, but can't we the
consumer, sign something at purchase to mitigate the risk to the car
company. The override was at least a way for my wife to make NAV
changes while I drive. Having to pull the car over on the highway to
make changes is not acceptable. I love Toyota cars, but this feature
alone will make me look at other options on future car purchases. "

" Toyota is creating more dangerous driving situations for the drivers by
disabling dvd navigation. Buttom line, we need to get more statistics to
support this. "

" Keep me informed on any new hacks "

" I'm really pissed. Thanks for taking the time to do this! "

I do not like the idea of being restricted on any feature in a car I purchase. I understand the legal concerns involved, but can't we the consumer, sign something at purchase to mitigate the risk to the car company. The override was at least a way for my wife to make NAV changes while I drive. Having to pull the car over on the highway to make changes is not acceptable. I love Toyota cars, but this feature alone will make me look at other options on future car purchases.

the lockout is ridiculous.

pretty stupid on their part- it is MORE dangerous with this limitation.

Having to push "I accept" every time a drive the car is totally unacceptable. Not allowing my passenger to input a destination is also totally unacceptable. Fortunately I have a 2006 Toyota, so I can override the lockout, but every time we have to do that, I get furious with Toyota for such arrogance. I was thinking of upgrading to a new Navigation DVD (I thought maybe Alaska might have finally joined the US), but if a new version does not allow an override, there is NO WAY I will ever upgrade. Outside of the run-flat tires (which I don't have), the customer-antagonistic lawyer-generated features of the navigation system are the worst features of this car. There are other cars on the market, Toyota - Honda makes some great ones.

Piss me off everytime you need to use the bloody thing a waste of money, espacailly when you can get more out a TOMTOM 910 then this navigation system. The new Toyota Aurion ZR6 here is Australia. Cheers Drew

Having to stop to change a route when you have someone in the pasager seat with nothing to do is stupid

I find it very dangerous to pull off onto the shoulder of an interstate to look for service at an up coming exit.

Totally unacceptable. This should be a personal choice.

Should have been explained at purchase.

The need to stop to access navigation is frankly very dangerous (as I have avoided moving at a light at times to finish my inputs) and makes the system quite useless. I take long road trips and need to use alternate routes, find gas etc (a passenger can certainly do it for me) but am unable so I purchased a stand alone Garmin to do what I already paid Toyota to do. I have both a hybrid Highlander and Camry ..never again.

I recently bought a Prius, specifically for its high-tech control panel. During daily commutes to work, I'm the sole driver, so the nav lock isn't an issue. On long trips, where my wife is driving and I'm the passenger, having the navigation, phone and other systems disabled will be a major obstacle (I can't have her pull over every time I want to do something).

I owna 2006 Toyota Prius, which is not listed in your vehicle type drop down list. The override isn't even a published procedure, but simply a "hack". Why can't Toyota do the same thing Honda does, simply having you acknowledge your responsibility at the beginning by clicking okay, and then allow the screen to be used by the passenger while driving?

I have a 2006 Sienna. When I got the car I knew the override since we also own a 2005 Prius. However my navigation system stopped working and was upgraded to a newer version which no longer has the override. It is extremely frustrating to not be able to see where things like gas and food is, especially while on a road trip. It is not save to pull over on the shoulder while traveling on an interstate to search for this info. We just completed a 10 hour road trip and this drove my husband & I crazy that I as the passenger could not look anything up. We needed to locate a hotel and at other times food for our kids. Ended up having to use his I-Phone for the hotel info.

Ofter more dangerous to pull over than to have a passenger input destination. Should be SIMPLE... use passenger seat sensor for the airbags. When passenger seat is occupied (and airbags activated as result) allow either an override or full NAV access. Or just grow a "pair" and let people control NAV like they control their radio, climate, etc. already.

I own a Toyota Prius and have always hated the fact that I couldn\\\\\'t have my passenger use the NAV system to look up POI\\\\\'s while the car was moving, etc. The hack was somewhat of a solution, even if one had to do it every time the car was started. Now that I have upgraded my NAV to 6.1, the hack has been eliminated and I hate that.

Need to have navigation override as a user option!!!

For the amount of money you have to spend on this navagation sytem i am totally and emphatically pissed. Not only can you not use the passanger not use the system while driving i just found out that I bought this stupid thing that doesn't cover 80% of the country. What good does it do if you can only use it in big cities. Hello are you people idiots. I will be talking to my attourney this week.

I think safety would be enhanced by allowing passengers to override the graying out of nav features while car is moving.

This car is very nice; this restriction is very bad. Nearly had a wreck yesterday on I-85 trying to get off to find someplace to eat!

It is more dangerous sometimes to pull over...also there is sometimes a front passenger who could use the feature. Why can't they use the Nav screen while I'm driving!? This makes no sense that they've disabled it.

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Without an override for the passenger's use of the NAV system, the system is useless to me. I will not buy a toyota or lexus.

I just purchased the 6.1 update and cannot overide the system. I had to stop on the side of the interstate so my wife could use the system. This is inconvenient and very dangerous.

Toyota should provide a bypass that allows use of Navagation system if and only if the passenger seat is occupied. It knows this since it has a seatbelt light for the passenger. John

Because Toyota does not offer as an option navigation in the RAV4 in the states I have been looking for a oem unit to have installed. They are such tight butts about their product it is really really difficult to find information about let alone a unit to purchase for my car .This is just another example of Toyota holding a pencil between their cheeks. Why can't they be cooperative and give folks what they are willing to pay for????? I so hope you can find away around this lock out !!!!

The passenger of the vehicle should be able to operate the NAV system. It can detect whether a child is in the seat and disable the airbag. The NAV should be treated the same.

Let the adults choose what they do. Don't dictate it for us.

We recently took a long driving vacation and were constantly annoyed that we could not use the 2007 Camry navigation system to find restaurants, hotels, etc. while we were moving. My wife is an expert in using built-in navigation systems -- she has a 2007 Honda Civic that has a wonderful navigator, which does not have the annoying lockout. She is fully capable of using the Camry system as a passenger but she is prohibited from using the system (including the hands-free phone) 95 percent of the time we are in the car. It is like having a car with a small gas tank that requires refueling stops every 45 miles.

You have the warning not to operate while driving, yet there are several other operations you can do while driving. Give us and our passenger the option to use the Nav system we paid for--while driving.

This really reduces the usefulness of an otherwise nice system. I concur with the others that a passenger should be able to enter information into the system to find reasonable places to stop, while traveling on a highway. I bought the hybrid to save gas and the navigation system to prevent unnecessary stops. Now I have to pull over and stop to find out where to stop. It seems to me that defeats the purpose of the system. I could just as easily take the next exit and stop at a gas station to ask the attendant without paying and extra $2000 for the vehicle.

I traded in a Honda that worked perfectly. Why did Toyota do this?

I am old enough not to open the doors, climb into the back seat, go to sleep, stare for a long time at the radio when changing program, sit the dog on my knee, gaze at the sat nav whilst driving, look into the driving mirror to do my hair... If I'm not supposed to look at it, what's the screen for ? Trust me. I'm the driver..perhaps got more brains than you have when I'm driving! Its a serious condescending imposition..and bound to cause an accident , sooner or later,when on a motorway when someone finds a junction closed...what are you supposed to do..PARK UP ??? Answer me !!

I would have rather not paid for the nav system and just purchased an aftermarket system from Garmin which lets the passenger use it while driving.

Stupid for all the reasons already given: dangerous, inconvenient, disrespectful of consumer intelligence.

At least passenger of the vehicle should be able to operate the NAV system. The system is useless to me if I have to pullover every time I need a quick change look at the near by restaurants and shopping.

this locking feature sucks.,....

The nav system should be enabled so that it is usable for the passenger (at least) while in motion.

Blocking the ability for the driver is a great thing. However doing 70 on the freeway and the passenger has to use the restroom or wants to know where to eat ... and even he brought his own cd's with mp3's and he couldn't browse them...WTF!!! Damn Toyota! I was glad at first because someone else in the house is a distracted driver and if he ever borrowed the truck I wouldn't worry since he does have a high accident rate. However I can buy a Garmin Nuvi and have the ability to manipulate the GPS and it also has bluetooth .... I want this unlocked!!! I would even be happy if it only unlocked when a passenger was in the seat (i.e...take the signal from the airbag sensor)....that would even be fine.

As many others have stated, we are adults and can judge when to not use the navi while driving. Every other nav system allows you to enter information while driving. Having to stop on a 70 MPH Highway to get directions with an expensive Navi in your car is ridiculous. I really hope this site helps push a change to this software so it can be overriden by the owner!

I don't know who will like to stop the car to see some dvd.

Moronic

I use my turn signal while I'm driving. It doesn't do me much good if I park along side the road, and then turn the turn signal on, does it? Navigation is the same. I navigate while I'm driving; not parked on the side of the road in an unknown, or dangerous, neighborhood. Stupidest effin' thing I've ever seen on a car. Honestly, besides this ridiculous, and obvious, foul-up, I dig my new 2007 Toyota Camry. But, it would seem, one gets angrier and angrier at Toyota... the longer one drives the car, without being able to USE THE NAVIGATION!!!! FIX THE PROBLEM, TOYOTA!!!! PLEASE!!!!

Disabling the ability for an owner to take responsibility for their action, and use the product they purchased, should be illegal. My co-pilot is very pissed.

I was astonished that the navigation lock doesn't turn off when a passenger is in the car. It makes no sense, every other car maker does not do this. I would have not got this option if i knew it was like this.

Can't load new poi Cant'use many nav features while driving

Very annoying to have to pull over to access the navigation to make changes or input new info

navigation won't work when car is in motion

I was planning on updating our software to 6.1, but now plan to hold off until Toyota removed this restriction.

Please add Lexus to your list. I had to lie and pick a toyota model as my car to register here. The Nav system ver 6.1 is the same.

I wish they would lift the override on the navigation. The passager is certainly capable of entering an address while in motion.

I've owned the 2008 Highlander for three weeks and can't believe this "safety feature." I would never have bought this SUV had I known about this -- but how would I know this was even a possibility!?!?!?!?! I previously owned a Honda Pilot and could use the Nav system at will -- so I didn't know to ask about this and certainly was not told as part of the sales process. The only thing more ludicrous that this restriction is listening to well-meaning Toyota employees trying to justify it and repeatedly calling it a “safety feature.” This is quite the “anti-safety feature” when I have to pull over in a dangerous neighborhood or off on the side of the interstate with no shoulder to reset my destination or move the view of my map!!! I actually took the car back to the dealer after I almost ran off the road trying to catch the caller ID on my Bluetooth connected cell phone when it failed to display on the Nav screen and I needed to know who it was before I answered. I was upset to think that the system didn't have Caller ID -- I was INFURIATED to know that it DID have Caller ID but wouldn't show it to me while moving!! Toyota aren't you listening yet?!?!?!? I’m not asking to watch DVD movies in my dash – that is just silly and illegal I believe; but if I pay $40,000 for a product, I fully expect to be able to use it any way I choose (within legal limits of course!) Toyota, you have NO business dictating MY activities in MY vehicle! Signed: A three-week-old-new-Toyota-owner who will never buy another Toyota! P.S. I am currently looking at options to do a trade-in on an Acura MDX even though I don't like the Acura body as well.

I should be allowed to take the risks involved with using the navigation.

I had the ver5.1 , but the something malfunctioned causing the location to randomly change. The disk was replaced to 6.1 and now no override. Big Brother is TOO BIG.

If Toyota decided to do the lockout to avoid distraction then how do you expalin the energy level consumption animation that really distracts the driver. I had an Acura before, the NAVi system was a breeze to use. The one in Toyota is overly complicated and locked while driving, I am extremely disappointed. I need navigation for my job, I make deliveries, I am already in pain a week after owning this. I love the car, had I know this I would not have bought navagation option and just buy me a $500 Tom Tom portable Navigation system.

We bought the car know that our friends use the override feature. This is very disappointing.

My husband drives and I navigate to have to pull over to use the navigation screen when I can safely use it in the passenger seat is really nuts. Im a 58 year old woman and know how to be safe.

i have two other cars with nav systems that can be used while driving... it makes no since to have to pull off the road to input where a point of intrest is...

It is not Toyota's (or any car manufacturer's) responsibility to protect owners from their own stupidity. If I wreck while checking my rear view mirror... can I sue Toyota? No, of course not. Same should apply to the nav system.

I also own a BMW 530xi which does not have the limiation. The annoyance factor is so great that we have decided not to purchase the Solara in the future.

This is an option that shouldn't be blocked out, most of the time there is another person in the car that can navigate for you. What they should do is have the whole system unblocked if the car detects someone on the passanger seat, just like the Air Bag being on or off. If there is a person in the passanger seat, disarm the blocking of the nav and blue tooth functions.

We'd not have bought the car if we knew about this problem.

I am extremely disappointed in how the Nav sysmtem works while driving. I was never told that it would not function while moving. My husband has a different make of car, that I certainly would have bought if I knew better.

Would trade for honda.

If the passenger is in the car, the system should allow the functions to work. It knows if a child is in the set and disables the AirBag.

very, very, very irritated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted a Hybrid and at the time, the Camry was the only decent car available. I owned a Volvo S-80, the Nav unit was slow, but it was useable while driving and I never, ever had problems using it (the controls were on the steering column) We also own a Honda Odyssey. That NAV unit is also functional while in motion. Routinely, one us drives and the other navigates. I hate using the NAV in the Toyota. Even the voice recognition stinks. The ACCENTS are always on the wrong sylLABle.

If they really care or had thought this out, Toyota would have required that the passenger seat sensor be activated before the screen can be activated while moving. I know that someone would be able to place weight on the seat to "trick" the system, but this would be an intentional action. Or even more simple, put a disclaimer in the "agreement" screen...... Nothing can be completely foolproof, because fools are so ingenious!!!

I should have the option to activiate or inactivate the use of my navigation by passenger. Toyota treats me without respect. I do not plan on bying another toyota as a result

The fact that the input features are disables while driving is extreemly inconvenient!! Also, often times pulling over to use the navigation is more dangerous. It is my car...Toyota must give me the ability to use it the way I want to. Until a law is passed prohibiting the use of nav while driving, I want that ability!!! thank you, Brian Mullins

This information should be made available before buying vehicle.

Its bad enough when all phases of ones life is monitored and controlled by big bro, but now a private company prevents me from using equippment I paid good money for in the way it is most useful! What's next -- will they now install shields to prevent cell phone use, how about text messaging while driving, or lock the CD player so you can't change disks, or have the car turn off if it smells an order of fries. I test drove both a Honda Pilot and Nissan Murano and both allowed changes while driving. It seems Toyota really went overboard on this one and had I known I would not have bought this car.

I just purchased the car last week and used the GPS on a trip this weekend. It's very inaccurate....gave me incorrect directions, missing streets, etc. I'm calling Toyota to complain.

Hopefully someone will come up with a hack !

I actually got a ticket from a cop on I95 in Maryland for pulling over to use my Nav system. He pulled up behind me when I stopped and put my flashers on. He walked over and asked me if I needed help. I explained that I was trying to put directions in my Nav system and had to pull over to do so. He informed me that he'd have to write me a ticket because I had pulled over on the highway and it wasn't an emergency!!!! It cost me $95 and 2 points on my license!!! TOYOTA! ARE YOU LISTENING!!! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN THE U.S. TO PULL OVER ON A HIGHWAY FOR A NON-EMERGENCY!!!! ARE YOU GOING TO REIMBURSE ME FOR MY TICKET??? The cop informed me that next time I should go to an exit and pull over off the exit or find a shop/gas station etc at the next exit. My question was, "what if I'm on a turnpike like the NJ turnpike or the PA turnpike where doing that would cost me $$?" His response was, its cheaper than a ticket. Screw you Toyota. I've owned 2 Prius and a Highlander Hybrid. I'm not buying another Toyota unless I find out this problem is fixed. And by the way, my lease is up in March of 2008. I'll be seeing the nearest Honda dealer...

I love my '07 Prius. I loved my '05 and '02 Prii (pre-eye) as well. After learning of the override, and using it quite frequently (with no ill effects on driving ability) in my '05 Prius, I was very disappointed when I tried it on my '07 and it didn't work. I am now stuck with, IMO, a half-working navigation system with partially functioning bluetooth!

this is bullshit

Fuel economy is more important to me, so there is presently no viable alternative to the Prius on the market.

Extremely upset to put it nicely that they chose to do this. Won't be considering a toyota again if it remains this way. I borrowed my brother's Garmen nuvi handheld gps for my family vacation. Used the screen of the sienna Nav for the suction cups of the handheld garman.

I'm new to NAV, but did fully expect to be able to use the function while driving. You can change radio stations. Any responsible person can handle the momentary attention away from the road.

Toyota's attorneys appear to be far more paternalistic than Honda's or BMW's. This will affect my decision to buy another Toyota.

The passenger should be able to do all functions at any time. Even very simple setup items are blocked and I have to try to remember to change them when stopped. If a way could be found to allow the passenger to do everything while blocking the driver from these functions, I would support that. I look forward to receiving info on nav changes, including version updates.

Unless Toyota is going to pay to insure my car, I should be able to use my navigation system when and where I choose to.

I purchased a 2008 camry hybrid fully loaded over the weekend only later to discover that I couldn't use the GPS while in motion. My previous GPS allowed me to change the destiation while in motion. It was never a problem or a risk as I would have my passenger change the destination while we were driving, if we needed to change things or look up phone numbers for local businesses. Toyota should reimplement the override. Had I known I couldn't change the destination enroute, I would have not purchased the navigation system and simply used the portible garmin unit I had in my previous car.

If people can smoke cancer sticks and dip worm dirt, I ought to be able to drive my f**king car that I paid over $30k for and get directions to where I need to go, without having to come to a complete f**king stop. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I would not like to be patronized from Toyota.

I would never have paid for the Nav system (or even gotten the car) had I known that no one, not even a passenger, could input crucial information while the car was in motion. This creates a ridiculous waste of time when you have to pull off of a highway and stop and type in your destination. Worthless.

Actuallly a Lexus RX350

Definitely would not buy the navigation system if I would have known. Will pass the poor review to everyone I talk to about this. Very upset about losing $2,500 on a poor design. I now have 2 navigation systems in my new car, my old Garmin 330 on the Dash "EXCELLENT SYSTEM" and the Wasted Screen on the TOYOTA SYSTEM that would be used better as a empty hole for more storage.

The car knows when a passenger is in the passenger seat (for the airbag), so why can't it also allow these features automatically (without need for an override sequence) when a passenger is in place? And since when do cars force people to drive safely? I can talk on my cell phone, eat a burrito, apply makeup, and read a book while driving - so why can't I dial the phone, or set a destination? I can read a map - which is way more dangerous - or get directions from my phone - way more dangerous - dial my phone from the phone itself - way more dangerous. I already have to push the stupid I Agree button EVERY time I start the dang car...

I would not have bought the NAV system if I knew. How do I revert to 5.1 firmware after foolishly inserting the 6.1 disk? What would these stupid lawyers do if someone crashes while dialing a phone number using the (small, inconvenient) phone instead of the on-screen keyboard (that is blocked). What if someone crashes while entering destination by panning/pointing on the map (slow, distracting) instead of picking a previous destination (one tap)? Idiots.

If I hadnt got used to using other GPS units it wouldnt bother me as much. The idea that If I bought It I should have the features all the time I paid for. I am tired of Big Brother making decisions for me.

This entire thing stinks in my opinion. The passenger is left out of the equation as well as all the other good reasons.

A pain in the neck.

This is my Van when I pay for it. The disclosure i agree to everytime I start the van should be enough.

I would NOT have bought the package #6 which included the Navigation if I knew it was this useless. I would have bought a Garmin GPS instead......which is fully functional ALL the time, more accurate in routing, and much more functional. Total waste of money on this Prius!!!!!!

I would appreciate any information on legal over rides of this system

This is one of the most annoying items I have ever encountered. I have previously owned nav systems from BMW and Acura. The 2001 Acura system was better than this system in terms of ease of use and also due to the fact that it did not mandate that you not use it while in motion). The 2002 BMW system was not well designed but at least you could enter things while in motion. I will not buy another Toyota product until they fix this.

I traded in my '91 Mercedes S500 for a loaded Camry XLS with nav. I was shocked and very disappointed to find this limitation which severely limits my ability to utilize this car to its full potential. Toyota's decision to summarily limit use of their product does not meet the terms or spirit of my contract for purchase. There should be a class action suit initiated to rectify this.

there is no reason the passenger should not be able to use all the features of this system when the passenger seat is occupied.

My Audi let my passenger program the GPS. Imay not have bought my Camry if I knew this.

It is extremely annoying that even with a passenger we cannot use the navigation system or phone if the car is moving. The car already recognizes the passenger for the airbag system, why can't it use that sensor to override the nav/phone system as well?

Passengers should have the ability to use the navigation system even while driving.

WHEN I HAVE A PASSANGER HE/SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE NAVIGATION SYSTEM WHILE THE CAR IS IN MOTIONS

By far this is the most ridiculous sanction that Toyota is imposing on it's owners of their higher end models available with Navigation. I consider myself a very safe driver and pushing a few buttons on my navigation system is no more dangerous than changing the radio station or adjusting the air conditioner. Unless they (Toyota) can enhance the voice recognition software to be a bit more intuitive covering many more of the navigation options, then they need to release an updated software version with the override function built back in.

I was ready to trade my '04 on a new Prius. Thanks to these tips I think I will keep it a while and see if Toyota corrects their error in judgement. I just hate shopping

Just another case of big corporations not thinking things through, and then stone-walling in the face of an easy solution. The secret override is baloney as well, since the system should just work the right way to begin with!

needs a over ride

needs a over ride

It is extremely annoying!! That damn 'I Accept' button is also driving me crazy, I mean how many times to I have to accept!

If Toyota really wanted to protect consumers rather than just protect themselves from lawsuits that other auto manufacturers are curiously not worried about, why not tie the ability to use the navigation system while driving to the airbag weight sensor in the passenger seat? If there is enough weight in the passenger seat to suggest that there is a capable person sitting there, then allow navigation while driving.

Similar to everyone else who has posted on this site. The NAV system is a useless piece of junk if you cannot use it when you are driving.

Extremely stupid; Toyota could at least allow navigation control when a passenger is present. Preferably, it should be possible to disable this "feature" (both bluetooth and nav) through a menu choice. I'd even be cool with having to do it every time I start the car, but blocking it totally is just bs. Which also goes for the "I Agree" screen. Yes, I still agree, just like I did 5 minutes ago, moron. Just like yesterday. And the day before that, 15 times. And before that, countless times. Gah.

Absolutely ridiculous that Toyota has disabled one of the attributes that makes a GPS useful. When I contacted customer service, they initially claimed it was a "safety feature". When I pointed out that things like changing climate control settings or worse changing a CD took the same or more attention away from the road, they stopped the safety claim. Now they simply say it is performing as designed. If they had made me aware of this limitation before purchase, I would certainly have gone with another manufacturer.

The "feature" is on a par with Saab not putting cupholders because people shouldn't have a cup of coffee while they drive. Saab stopped selling cars and decided to put them in. I can see the logic of this as a default setting, but providing not way to disable it borders on criminal. Does Toyota think that we always drive alone in the US? If I had known, I would have bought the lower end model and a portable GPS and saved some money.

Shame on you, Toyota.

This is a moronic, invasive and unnecessary action to disrupt our lives. I'm just waiting for someone's family to sue Toyota because a family member got killed or seriously injured while being pulled over on the side of the road trying to setup a destination address. It also makes the Nav system, which wasn't that great to begin with, very cumbersome to use. For example, I regularly get diverted to some other destination than what was my original intention. If on the freeway, I have to now pull off on an exit road because it's too dangerous to stop on the side of the freeway. Exiting can also be a big issue, since sometimes it's difficult to find an entrance to get back on freeway and you may find yourself in a dangerous neighborhood. In any case, I am the driver of my vehicle, certified to do so by the driver's license I carry. As such, I want to be responsible for everything associated with driving the vehicle. So, if I want my passenger to plug in new addresses or anything else that doesn't distract me, this should be my, not the automobile manufacturer's decision.

This needs to be fixed.

It is acceptable that I would have to agree that it may be unsafe by requiring the "I Agree" button....but after that, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TO USE WHILE IN MOTION!!!!!

If driving, I would never use the touch screen navigation system. But there are always 2 people in my car...a driver and a front seat passenger. I resent the fact that the passenger doesn't have access to the full navigation functionalities while the driver keeps both eyes on the road.

needs a over ride

I sold my BMW M3 and bought the Hybrid becasue I wanted to do the environmentally right thing, only to discover that the simple task of programming a destination while driving could not be done. This dangrous feature that requires a drive to pull over in order to program it should be disabled. I was told there is a workaround, but this site makes it appear that is not the case. Bummer!

We had a 2007 camry that was totaled in a collosion and we just replaced it with a 2008. My wife often drives the car with me as the passenger. Very often, I will make some adjustment to the nav system while she is driving. This "lock out", not only defeats the nice customizations of the nav system but, makes it very frustrating when responding to a call that requires us to set a new destination. It was annoying enough to enter the override codes but, now I feel the system could actually be dangerous when we have to find a place to stop the car.

a pain in the a**...

I would have seriously considered not getting the convenience package that had the nav and bluetooth included. Both are hard to use and the nav system, compared to a $300 Garmin, is the most frustrating piece of equipment to use. At least let the passenger use it.

I use my Garmin nuvi ($300) instead of my much more expensive Toyota Nav System. I guess Garmin respects the consumers judgement and Toyota doesn't.

Amazing that Toyota feels the needs to take control away from driver and passenger. This violates general principals of keeping the user in control of their environment.

This is our third Prius, first navigation system. It is not very intuitive in its operation, but we'll learn to use it. However, we would not have bought the navigation system had we known of this stupid "safety" feature. My husband and I take trips together. For me to be locked out when he driving (and vice versa) is infuriating. Arghhhh....!!!

What were they thinking?

one word.....STUPID

Toyota all but ruined my family vacation this past summer. We took a road trip on the east coast and found the navigation system useless as my family and I struggled to find safe pull off spots to look up POI's. Damn you Toyota. Who the hell do you think you are. This is America and we American's don't like to be told what we can and can't do. I am considering trading my Sienna in on a Buick Enclave because this navigation system IS a BIG deal to me.

Very problematic especially when there is another adult in the car on a long trip

I think Toyota is overstepping their manufacturer responsibilities by thinking they need to police the way people use the navigation system. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? GOD OF THE HIGHWAY? If they disable the nav system, they need to disable all the other functions on the touch screen as well. I cannot use the other phone, audio or climate controls any quicker than I could the nav system controls. I resent it more that a passenger cannot at least use it while another person is driving. If the other manufacturers like Honda are not trying to set these ridiculous rules then Toyota should not do it either.WAKE UP TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the ONLY manufacturer that prohibits the user from controlling the nav system when moving. If I have a passenger it is much safer than pulling over. WHY do they do this? Thanks

Do you know how many arguments my wife and I had during our first few weeks we owned this thing? "I'm sure there's a way to get rid of the 'I Agree' button-- there's got to be-- maybe we have to sign in blood somewhere.""Change of plans honey, put in this address instead... What do you mean it's not working?... Then it's broken... I can't pull over here, are you kidding me?""Call John and see if he gave us the right address... We're locked out of the system?... Well I left my phone in my briefcase-- I thought that's what 'hands-free' meant... I am not pulling over here, are you kidding me!!!"

It is not Toyota's place to decide how the navigation is used. We travel together, and let the passanger use the system on our HONDA, a far better nav system. It's not us, its the system. It is inaccurate, has poor resolution, and lacks controls to make it useful. To think that we purchased two Toyotas in the last three years. That will change. L.D.

future purchase

I have a 2005 Toyota Sienna, and the override works great, but the 2007 Avalon drives me nuts. If I knew where the wire was to cut, I would cut it right now. I guess I will have to pull over to enter data.

VOICEMAIL on Bluetooth!! If the 1, 7 and 9 buttons weren't greyed out, I would be much happier, as these are the most commonly used options for voicemail. I also agree that they should have never removed the override. I can't get it to work on my 2005 Lexus ES330 either. I think they removed it from that car as well. If I had known this I would have opted for an older Toyota/Lexus with no NAV and bought a VALOR unit to replace the factory radio.

Not being able to use the navigation system while driving is one of the most hazardous features I've ever seen! While driving down 95 we needed to take an alternate route. Of course we would have to pull over to do this. The passenger is fully capable of pushing buttons. Pulling over is very dangerous. No one wants to let you back in. A non factory system allows a driver to change their system while the car is motion. Why does Toyota feel it is their right to make the decision for the consumer. It is not a law to have pull over. I'm extremely disappointed in Toyota's decision to put this lock on the system. If this is a safety feature I'd hate see what they call a hazard! What next, no vanity mirrors, or rear view mirrors so that commuters can't shave or put on makeup? Oh, that's not a hazard? It's time to treat the consumers as adults and let them judge how to drive. If there was a law in place to have it blocked that's one thing, but to impose a restriction on a consumer, without the advertisement of it, is a bit extreme. As a Toyota family, 3 in the driveway, and 6 in the past, it may be time to look at Honda's open system! It's nice to see Honda believes their consumers to be adults and able to make a decision.

I do not mind that it defaults back to the "safe mode" but I need to have the option, while with a passenger, to over-ride the lockout on my 2006 Prius!

Looking for fix.

VERY DANGEROUS AND UNNECESSARY!!!!

All has been said

This totally sucks! We just traded in our 2005 Prius with Nav (where you could override the system) and now find out you can't do it on the 2008 Highlander Limited we just bought. This is my wife’s car and it is more dangerous to pull over on the side of the road or in a bad neighborhood to reset you destination in the Nav. For $45,000.00 I guess I expected more from Toyota. If anything ever happens to my wife as a result of not being able to override the system my lawyer will have a field day with have Toyota... I will own the company when I'm done with them. And my first order of business will be to upgrade the Nav program to override the system. Toyota, get with the program.

Override should be reinstated.

It sucks a lot, especially since there is almost always a passenger in the car who cannot use the navigation system

the nav system is very bad for 1850 its a ripoff

The NAV system is useless. I would not have bought the NAV if I had known of the restriction. As a minimum, the passenger should be able to use the system.

Dealer told me he did not know how to use the navigation system; he never told me that it "locks-up" when you drive the vehicle. The GPS is worthless to me.

It is extreely dangerous as I somtimes activate a function only to have it not work. I am then distracted from looking ahead as I try to figure this out. My Garmin 7200 has an "I agree to accept responsibility" button that opens all functions while driving. I think this is much safer for the driver and passanger.

Not discovered until our first trip with the car. Totally ruined the trip. Will be talking strongly to the salesman when I get back to town and seeking a remedy.

It's absolutely rediculous. Hopefully word will spread and with it sales drop. If Toyota wants to remain a leading manufacturer their going to have to allow the consumer to bypass this safety feature.

I was torn between another BMW and a Prius when I bought my 07 Prius. If I had known about the poor access to navigation before I bought it, I would have leaned more strongly toward another BMW.

Pissed off all the time.

Often more dangerous to pull over and stop (or race ahead to next traffic light hoping to buy a few seconds of downtime to operate your nav system.

In drives me crazy that with a person sitting in the "navigators" seat, the system is still disabled. If someone's butt is in the passanger seat, the nav system should be operable, at the very least.

Idiotic that the navigation cannot be used in route. Also updated maps needed.

I would not have bought the limited with the Navigation system. I could have bough an aftermarket system that would have also worked with XM for much less. My salesman told me about the over ride so I figured that would be fine. Much to my suprise the over ride did not work after delivery of my new $50k truck.

Need to unlock this thing, it is a pain in the ass to stop every time and not what i paid for

Honda should be on the list of alternate choices. I compared the Prius to the Civic Hybrid. I liked the Prius better 'till I discovered the lack of control of the phone and Nav (after I bought it). My wife is constantly frustrated at being unable to control the Nav - makes it almost useless. I don't need it going to work every day (I've learned the route); I need it when we're going on trips!

Absolutely obsurd that I have to pull over and stop my car to change my destination! No one else I know that has a GPS system has to stop while driving to operate it! What is wrong with you at Toyota & Lexus? I'm buying a $300 GPS system I can use! This will be my last Toyota. You guys need to get with the program. My spouse can punch in the buttons to reroute us if needed, the driver isn't the only one that needs to operate the nav system. The passanger (navigator) should be able to operate the system without having to stop the vehicle. I'm sure glad you don't have the contract for nav systems on airplanes. We'd have to land the plane in order to change routes in-flight!!!! Not being able to use the phone system while in motion is stupid as well. I now have to use my actual cell phone to use the phone system. Wake up! You are not stopping me from using my phone while driving, I just can't use your system. This is more unsafe to have to fumble around for my cell while driving instead of being able to input it on the screen. Again, you are not giving your customers what they want. Apparently you have more customers than you need. Fix the nav problem or you'll have one less Toyota customer for my next vehicle.

2008 Model

I had no idea, when I purchased the 2006 Avalon, that the navigation system could not be utilized, by a passenger, while driving. I have contacted Toyota on three occasions and was not able to get any logical explanation from them. Their pat answer is "Due to safety precautions, the design of the Navagation sustem is such that the vehicle has to be stopped prior to either the passenger or the driver making any changes." I told then, via e-mail, that my only choice is to purchase a non Toyota car and I am sure that they could care less. My two sons and brother in law have Honda Pilots and CRV with Navagation systems that work the way that I would expect and are even more user friendly than Toyota's. I will consider purchasing a Honda of some type with their Navagation system unless a fix can be found for my Avalon..

The silence of the Toyata dealerships on this issue says it all. If customers were informed of this lockout feature on the GPS systems, many sales would be lost. I will never purchase a Toyata again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. What a disappointment!

I just signed in earlier today regarding the Navagation System. The e-mail that I sent to Toyota, today, included a copy to the salesman at the dealership that I purchased the vehicle from. I will not mention his name or the dealership as I do not want to get him in any trouble with Toyota. After receiving his e-mail I would suggest that you go to the following web site: http://coastaletech.com/LOCKPICK_MAIN.htm This would be a good place to solve the problem. I have not checked it yet and am sure it will cost me but it might be worth it. I am sure that Toyota will never do it on their own.

Prefer my garmin over this - what a pain to have to be stopped to 'go' anywhere.

There are often two of us in the car with multiple addresses to visit. It's NOT POSSIBLE to stop on many of the freeways we drive on so not having the override feature renders the system useless many times. I have 3 Toyotas - 1 Prius and 2 Camrys. Only one of the Camry's has 6.1 and we won't upgrade the other SOLELY because 6.1 doesn't have the override features. Removing the override is insulting. If you are afraid of lawsuits, why not have one of those infernal "I Agree" screens after punching in the override code. That might make your lawyers happy and please your customers too.

It is not safe to pull over all the time. I travel with my wife and would like here to program for fodd etc. while driving.

I agree everytime I turn the car on to the disclaimer on the screen. That should be sufficient to allow me to take responsibility for inputting an address while driving or having a passenger do it for me... this is very annoying!!!

I have that you can't override the new nav. I would not have got the car if I would have known this.

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it is useless. Would not have got the navi if I new this. I know someone who made a hybrid copy and was able to remove the lockout and the override worked like previous models. I tried it in a 2008 4runner. I will let people know what to remove from the dvd before burnig. Also there still has to be a way for techs to get to a service menu to check for problems.

This seems to be to be a fraud on consumers, when neither the dealers or promotional reviews indicate that Toyota had chosen to disable a function that is available to purchasers of cars from any other automobile manufacturer. I want my money back for purchasing a non-functioning option - the whole purpose of a car is to drive it, which requires that the vehicle be in motion. So what should be a safety enhancing feature now is a source of frustration and unsafe behavior as we all work to find our way around without its help. Sign me up for hacks and for the class action suit.

I live in Los Angeles where pulling over is hazardous, while asking my wife to input Navigation is simply convenient. Toyota's decision to not respond to consumers' concerns with this is as problematic as the situation itself.

If the voice recognition feature was reliable for all speaking, it would not be as bad. When I get something on the screen totally different than what was spoken, it becomes very distracting and annoying. I would have kept my Garmin and gotten a lower number package for this car if I had known this.

I will be replacing my Prius in the next few months. Suffice it to say that I will not buy a new Prius. GPS technology has been a huge boon to my driving experience. However, I get so frustrated taking my Magellan Road Mate and manually attaching it to the windshield of my car when I paid a lot of extra money to use the internal system. There is an expression in Japanese of "Zama Miro" which loosely translated means, "you poor fool, I completely snookered you and there is nothing you can do about it." I feel Toyota is saying Zama Miro to everyone that bought their car. Although there is likely nothing that will change with those of us that fell for the misinformation on the Navigation system, in the future as Toyota slips from their market leading position, we will be able to look at them and declare Zama Miro as well.

2008 4 RUNNER Make hybrid dvd and everthing will work. Must have copy of old dvd from someone.Replace new firmware data file with old firmware and burn new dual layer dvd. Now you have new maps with old firmware. Eject old map dvd and insert new hybrid dvd. Turn off engine and disconnect battery for at least 60 seconds. Reconnect battery and start engine. The new firmware will be installed.You can even put the original dvd back in and as long as the battery stays connected all the old hacks for the override will work.

By far, the most disliked function of the car is the inability to utilize an expensive option. I feel very ripped off........In the past Toyota has been fairly responsive to consumer requests and suggestions......I guess they no longer care......Currently own 4 Toyotas, but will be looking elsewhere for the next one.....Over 30 K for a new car, and it cant be fully utilized.....I have learned my lesson. If the Nav system can't be used, then the car will NOT be bought......

I am in the process of buying a Highlander for my wife to replace the totaled Honda Pilot she had. We asked for the nav system and the sales person was so insistent that we get an aftermarket unit. He said we would be much happier. While Toyota has taken a mother stance, it is nice to know that some sales people will still watch out for their customers.

I should be able to disable the feature.

Big brother Government is bad enough but a big brother manufacturer is to much.

The requirement to pull over in order to map a destination, dial the phone, or even access my already pre-programmed phone numbers is dangerous and makes the entire system practically useless. I would not have bought the vehical had I know about this.

I think it is rediculous that you don't have an option to overide the navigation system so it can be used while moving. This is a major feature that has factored into what make and model vehicle that I am prepared to buy.

It is outrageous that a 27,000$ car is not fully usable due to this idiotic feature. I am an adult, who is able to make informed decisions. Toyota's strongarming is uncalled for and I am advising friends towards the Honda. While this is not the end of the world, it shows that Toyota does not care for their customers.

This a ridiculous example of inappropriate "in loco parentis."

The car should be smart enough to know that someone in the passenger seat and let them use the navigation system.