Apparently, the results were given by a site so they were real hands in play. Approximately 5m hands worth.

I too am compiling my own stats on my own hands, i'm up too 1/2m so far and i'll building them into an SQL Db of my own, but i'm finding hard work when I change sites to parse the hand historys but i think I have it figured for PP where I am going to stay for some time.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by CSB4Design: 25.12.2008 17:39.

I don't actually consider it useless.

If you look into these figures, regardless of playing style etc etc, they represent something very significant.

Lets take a look at 2 starting hands that are similar, but in profitability, miles apart.

KTo and KTs:

KTo: From the blinds, ie where we have paid something they are profitable, marginal but profitable and from my own stat findings using my SQL Db this also true, but from all other positions, the hand is useless long term.

KTs suited on the other hand is a very different animal. Profit across the board.

I am not saying this chart is the law, but next time you are considering calling with connected, gappers etc that are not suited or suited that are not connected, it may well be a good idea to say, "Hang on, is it worth it?"

This post has been edited 6 time(s), it was last edited by Solomaextra: 27.12.2008 14:16.

This is very good chart. It's from ongame network and is built on a very big sample size(millions of hands, maybe billions), ongame staff put this into web.

So it's avergage player's EV, it for example may show from what position you should start opening 98s if you are playing straight forward and you are not too bad player.

2 Yoghi, just think about it, it's the best chart you can get, it's empirical starting hands chart. It's always better than theoretical since it's impossible to say how profitable the hand is from what position because it depends on too many factors. The bigger sample size, the better this chart is.

If we can get more of such charts it would be very useful(with filters for example), but I guess poker rooms won't just give this stuff away.

As statistician I must say that this information is priceless, with only this chart I may check a hypotesis if I am playing certain hand from certain position better than average player or worse, with certain probability at certain sample size. I wish I had more charts like this.

Originally posted by Solomaextra
2 Yoghi, just think about it, it's the best chart you can get, it's empirical starting hands chart. It's always better than theoretical since it's impossible to say how profitable the hand is from what position because it depends on too many factors. The bigger sample size, the better this chart is.

you forgot one thing: these charts were based on millions of hands played by BAD players! It's not like OnGame chose the best 15% of their players and made stats based on their results..

Originally posted by Solomaextra
2 Yoghi, just think about it, it's the best chart you can get, it's empirical starting hands chart. It's always better than theoretical since it's impossible to say how profitable the hand is from what position because it depends on too many factors. The bigger sample size, the better this chart is.

you forgot one thing: these charts were based on millions of hands played by BAD players! It's not like OnGame chose the best 15% of their players and made stats based on their results..

Originally posted by Solomaextra
2 Yoghi, just think about it, it's the best chart you can get, it's empirical starting hands chart. It's always better than theoretical since it's impossible to say how profitable the hand is from what position because it depends on too many factors. The bigger sample size, the better this chart is.

you forgot one thing: these charts were based on millions of hands played by BAD players! It's not like OnGame chose the best 15% of their players and made stats based on their results..

just my little addition to discussion

Lol, why bad? Average!

Average player = losing player
these are not the ones we should base our strategy on..