PS Nobody noticed that the new GS1200 WC is actually a (modern interpretation) copy of the Honda CX500 ? Same clutch, gearbox, waterpump, alternator, starter etc, minus reliability. And they say some japanese copy BMW....

PS Nobody noticed that the new GS1200 WC is actually a (modern interpretation) copy of the Honda CX500 ? Same clutch, gearbox, waterpump, alternator, starter etc, minus reliability. And they say some japanese copy BMW....

Nah, they just failed to adapt the heated grips to the demographics of the buyerspublic... Those old guys have bad circulation and need very warm grips...
On my previous Beamer I only put them on the low stand, that was enough for me. Almost time to try it out on the GS LC.

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Personally I don't use them often, sometimes early mornings it's nice to get them hot.
Could also have to do with the new electronic throttle / potentiometer in the grip, maybe the grip simply doesn't like it that hot anymore?

I already stated on my test ride that the heated grips are crap. Surely you would think that all the technical engineers working on the bike would have noticed it. The million kilometres must have been done in a nice sunny location. Nice work if you can get it hope that the BMW bosses send them all off to the Russian front for making such a cock up.
Collect the new bike tomorrow and I will pray that BMW will do a recall and fix the grips. Here in the UK it's Baltic so they are a necessity.

I already stated on my test ride that the heated grips are crap. Surely you would think that all the technical engineers working on the bike would have noticed it. The million kilometres must have been done in a nice sunny location. Nice work if you can get it hope that the BMW bosses send them all off to the Russian front for making such a cock up.
Collect the new bike tomorrow and I will pray that BMW will do a recall and fix the grips. Here in the UK it's Baltic so they are a necessity.

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I wouldn't say they are crap. A little less hot than others I have owned BUT riding round the past few days at temperatures of 2-4 Celcius they keep my hands nicely warm using winter gloves. Previous heated grips would eventually get too hot necessitating going down to the lower setting which was then too cool, back up to full heat etc etc.

What we really need is the range of temperatures that others have mentioned available on the K1600 series which would suit more riders with different types of glove etc! Probably all controlled by software so let's all keep the pressure on BMW

Pictures??? Don't know yet. My camera is here (planned to take some pics), but my cases haven't arrived yet, so I might not be able to transport my camera. Worst case scenario I will have to use my phone.

Pictures??? Don't know yet. My camera is here (planned to take some pics), but my cases haven't arrived yet, so I might not be able to transport my camera. Worst case scenario I will have to use my phone.

I knew someone was going to chime in with this...but you've seen many posts on here of people saying that theirs didn't, right? With a 5amp max, the most you can draw from that plug is about 60watts. Most heated gear will exceed that.

I knew someone was going to chime in with this...but you've seen many posts on here of people saying that theirs didn't, right?

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Wasn't there a limitation to 5 Amps on the system before it shuts down? One vest might work but not the other.
CanBus is the network protocol exchanging data between the controllers. We use it as a synonym for everything bad, it's a BOSCH product and most vehicles use that protocol also to reduce wiring to a great extend. Ultimately it's a good thing I'd say.

Wasn't there a limitation to 5 Amps on the system before it shuts down? One vest might work but not the other.
CanBus is the network protocol exchanging data between the controllers. We use it as a synonym for everything bad, it's a BOSCH product and most vehicles use that protocol also to reduce wiring to a great extend. Ultimately it's a good thing I'd say.

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I agree...canbus gets blamed inappropriately...yes the system only allows a limited Amp draw from the power adapter and many people have run into issues using it. I assume the new GS has the same limitations but don't know for sure.

The new GS has the same 580W alternator as the K16GT has. That bike hase a 5 stage control for the heated grips controlled through the menu system and on the higher settings it's very warm, much warmer than the GS's.
The switchgear and grips are also identical, I think the grips can be improved with a simple software upgrade.The grips aren't actually powered all the time but are modulated by software and also take air temperature into account.

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Since we are on the topic of heated grips being not warm on the LC GS. I may add, that on my 2004 R1200C, the left side heated grip is quite less warmer than my right side. Although my bikes heated grips have nothing to do with LC GS, but it does create a question as to how BMW routes supplied heat to them.

Has anyone noticed any difference in warmth between the left & right grips? Are they at the same level?