Good evening, listeners! This week host Richard Aldous speaks with two excellent guests, first discussing a reexamination of America’s role in the world before moving on to the state of the immigration debate in the run-up to next year’s election and—who else?—Donald Trump.

Thomas Wright, fellow and director of the Project on International Order and Strategy at the Brookings Institution, discusses Ian Bremmer’s new book Superpower: Three Choices for America’s Role in the World, and cautions that stepping down as the world’s dominant power is not a sound strategy.

Then our own TAI staff writer Nicholas Gallagher describes Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s immigration policy as perhaps the most aggressively restrictionist immigration policy proposal since the progressive era. He takes us through what his proposal entails and explains why the country needs a higher quality debate.