lil bit? If you'd spent half the time you've spent asking for answers on looking for them, you'd be the wiser and still have free time on your hands.

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but that doesn't give people the right to laugh at someone....

Yes, it does. Intentional ignorance and intellectual laziness are subject to ridicule here. We're Satanists, not Sunday School teachers.

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I really thaught you could ask info from other members....

Member? If you are a member of the Church of Satan please have your title on the board upgraded through the proper channels. Membership may not grant you a free pass, but it certainly evokes a level of patience, at least initially.

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damnnn I treat everybody with respect..

Do you really believe that? Do you really think it demonstrates respect to somebody when you essentially want the benefit of their learning and studying--their work and commitment, while you sit back and do nothing on your own?

I do not consider that respect. It is like the mugger claiming to respect the lady who's purse he just stole.

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Anywayz, gonna find it out on myself, if I can't get any further, I'll let you know.....

This may be a case where we'll let you know.

Y~

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Tell you what. I'll help you out with that if you'll help me out with a problem of my own.

You see, I just discovered a great big box of hand tools in my basement and I've decided I want to become good at using them. There are some that are labeled "screwdriver" (even though they have different end bits), a big heavy one is labeled "hammer", and there's one strange contraption named "adjustable wrench" which has a little swirly thing in it.

So... which one should I use? And after I've picked one, should I turn it clockwise or counterclockwise?

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention -- also in the box was a book, an introduction to hand tools and their uses, by a guy named Bandsaw Sander LeVel, or something like that. But I haven't the slightest idea what that one's for.

So. Can you help me out?

-Chess

Thanks for that. I needed a laugh

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She's not little, no minion like me--That's why she ensnared him.- The Laboratory by Robert Browning

There is something that I do not understand, won't understand, and anyway do not want to understand at all :

becoming a magician or whatever thanks to the Internet.

Satanism is into life ( goddamnit ). A book leading to another book, which will help you to make a very useful link with another one, and so on. What a wonderful quest it is to dig everywhere to find your answers, through different cultures and symbolisms..

But what, today it is replaced by "a link leading to another link" (internet) .. "Hellooo, here is my brain, here is the book I have found ! Please can you check both for me, and tell me how I will react with my own intellect in order to lead myself ?".

"to each his own" does not work for everything : there are some roots, some rules and a giant bedrock, and this is where one is learning. There is no Greater Magic without self experience, no one will open the gate for you. Fall, bite the dust, start again and take notes.

"Hello, how do I do ?" >> try until you find your own "light".

There hasn't been "disrespect" here Numitra, only people who cannot "travel" into your brain and lead you through your way to understand and react. Dig and find your dawn.

Ease of communication has opened the gates for laziness to flourish. There isn't anything wrong with asking a question you truly cannot find the answer for yourself, but even then, don't EXPECT an answer.

No one here owes anyone else anything. It is not a hold-hands community where one is expected to help another. Courtesy is demanded, but hostility will be returned to those who deserve it.

I am indifferent regarding the individual at hand, but the point is one that cannot be missed. Put in your own groundwork. Something that is not earned can have NO value, and is artificial, at best. This applies to knowledge as well.

The books are there, the information presented, right before our eyes. One needs only to open them to see the path before them. Sometimes it can be difficult to see, but focus long enough, and it will become clear.

I thank you for your comments, and I agree with you people. I think I was to eager to ear testimonies, and guidelines, whereas now I understood that you wanted me to look for my own path I apologies, I didn't mean to come over as a lazy person, I just wanted it a lil' bit easyer, because I thaught I could start at a higher level, from the information I got from you guys..

I'll try it for my own, I'll fall, I'll try again and again and again...

This night I will do my first ritual.. I know I got the passion, I know I got the will.. I would die for my goal to come true, so I am sure the ritual will succeed eventually...

Numitra,I don't use Enochian Magic for the same reasonI don't play "Russian Roulette" : if one does not put in the appropriate amount of diligent, disciplined studyone might well mistake the side of their skull for a deer!

Whatever you do, Numitra, promise me that you will stay away from "#10".

BTW, why do want to use such a powerful ritual, anyway?

Since you are asking somewhat "loaded" questions (pleaseexcuse pun), would you please enlighten the readers ofthis Forum why you need to use such a powerful ritualin the first place.

Thank you.

GCaesarWhiskers

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May your fields always be full of foodMay your dwelling be warm and dryMay your predators be dead or far awayAnd may your dominant mate always be happy to see you

I am here in this world for only 1 purpose and thats Vengeance, vengeance is my highest goal, it's what keepes me in life, it's what gives me hope, to perish my ennemies, with a force 10 times greater then the sorrow they bestowed upon me

and what do you mean by mistaken the side of their skull with a dear.. could it be dangerous?????

Roughly the equivalent of firing a gun with an inverted barrel...

owww damnn, didn't know that magic could turn against you, I do know Magus lavey said that you don't have to worry wether your ennemies live or die,.. I don't.. so I don't think it would turn against me