Because i stated facts about the past 25 years? This sounds like something my UNC Wal-mart fans would say. Don't worry my brother, things will get better for us once Roy is gone. Trust me.

— Posted by heelgrad1978

Here's one fact that I know you are wrong. I am in no way affilated with UNC.

My Kid may go to State, but I can forgive her for that. (it is a better engineering school)

— Posted by dukefanv12

Perfect School for Engineering. I don't understand why you attack me. Have you never seen an honest UNC man before? I'm just stating facts by the way.

— Posted by heelgrad1978

You stated I was a UNC grad. That is a slap to my face. So... who (you) attacked who(me) first, and who(me) defended himself against the slander?

— Posted by dukefanv12

You called me a troll for stating the fact that Duke is hands down the best program the last 25 years in basketball if you go by facts. Just because I am a UNC fan doesn't mean I am not fair to the truth or put blindfolds up. I am a proud Grad, but I am an honest Grad first.

You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

Any other wild hairs?

— Posted by dukefanv12

Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same time. And I don't know if you've noticed (probably because your team has only played Oakland), but the NCAA has introduced new rules that are making the college game more like the NBA than the old college game...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

Oh... and to add to that... I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA. Oh, BTW... the NBA doesn't call the hand check like the NCAA does this year.

we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totalsNo, because Lebron (not LeBron) plays the 4... The other guys aren't true centers either.

I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA.zones are allowed in both leagues but not used very often in either with the exception of a Cuse team and a few Big 10 teams. No NBA teams play zone because the shooters are too good. and with the new rules points of emphasis to eliminate hand checking in college, the shot clock being decreased is the next change that will be proposed and passed since it's more like the NBA already.

You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

Any other wild hairs?

— Posted by dukefanv12

Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same time. And I don't know if you've noticed (probably because your team has only played Oakland), but the NCAA has introduced new rules that are making the college game more like the NBA than the old college game...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

Oh... and to add to that... I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA. Oh, BTW... the NBA doesn't call the hand check like the NCAA does this year.

Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

— Posted by dukefanv12

You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

Any other wild hairs?

— Posted by dukefanv12

Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same time. And I don't know if you've noticed (probably because your team has only played Oakland), but the NCAA has introduced new rules that are making the college game more like the NBA than the old college game...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Oh.. so we can add LeBron's 36 minutes to the totals. Even more embarrassment.

Oh... and to add to that... I was unaware that the shot clock was changed, and zone defenses are disallowed in the NCAA. Oh, BTW... the NBA doesn't call the hand check like the NCAA does this year.

So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

— Posted by dukefanv12

You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't "Get It", but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

Any other wild hairs?

— Posted by dukefanv12

Their centers are power forwards playing the 5 because Lebron can't play the 4 and 5 at the same time. And I don't know if you've noticed (probably because your team has only played Oakland), but the NCAA has introduced new rules that are making the college game more like the NBA than the old college game...

"Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8 Jabari Parker as their center, an indication of their lack of quality depth inside" - Roger Kuznia - Sporting News

— Posted by dukefanv12

So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

— Posted by dukefanv12

You don't need a "significant center presence" to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

Sigh.... Looks like more education is needed.... I know you don't &quot;Get It&quot;, but this is really becoming embarrassing. You should be paying me for all this education. The NBA not equal to NCAA, and is an apples to oranges comparison.

Beside, the Heat gets 53 minutes, on average, from their 3 centers, all of which would have a significant center presence for us, and Yes, when they were of college age.

"Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8 Jabari Parker as their center, an indication of their lack of quality depth inside" - Roger Kuznia - Sporting News

— Posted by dukefanv12

So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

— Posted by dukefanv12

You don't need a &quot;significant center presence&quot; to win in basketball anymore. Look at the Miami Heat...

"Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8 Jabari Parker as their center, an indication of their lack of quality depth inside" - Roger Kuznia - Sporting News

— Posted by dukefanv12

So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

Jefferson and Hairston are NOT, but any stretch of the imagination, a significant center presence... Plumblee has the size, but has, in my opinion, been underdeveloped while at Duke, and doesn't play like a center with presence.

"Those watching Tuesday’s Champions Classic noticed that the Blue Devils were using 6-8 Jabari Parker as their center, an indication of their lack of quality depth inside" - Roger Kuznia - Sporting News

— Posted by dukefanv12

So...Amile, Josh, and Marshall account for 38 minutes in that game and would usually be in the 5 spot but Jabari was playing center? Seems odd, does it not? Sure looked like Jabari was out around the 3 point line quite a lot. He was defending Ellis at different points in the game, perhaps that was what Kuznia was alluding to.

And thus starts a new year for Duke BBall. We think we're ok, since we scrimmage against ourselves, or take on an undersized Davidson, and play just about everyone. Now we played a real game, and the same old warts pop out. Granted Parker is a beast, and can play anywhere, and Hood is not far behind, but that is it. Maybe there is an under-development of the 15 to 21 feet of Plumblee left, maybe there is a lack of recruiting of a real big man. We'll do fine until we meet another big team in the Tourney. The posts here will be a delusional as every other year that we're great, but this isn't going to be 'our year'....

— Posted by dukefanv12

I wouldn't jump off the bandwagon because Duke had a bad night at the line against a legit final 4 contender. Every team has areas to improve in. Duke is no different. Duke could have won that game if a couple of small things change. It is not like Duke got manhandled. This is not the same ole Duke team. Give me a break dude.

My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

Good point, Tizu. Game play IS very different than practice. Have to ask...why did Duke decide to drive to the basket the last 2 minutes instead of looking for the 3? Not asking anyone to be K, but it did seem odd.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any problem with the way minutes were given out against KU because KU was a winnable game only if the very best players exceeded or matched their expected number of minutes.

12 guys played. Maybe K has changed his stubborn ways about playing bench players in real game situations...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

You never do "Get it"... In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are developing in a GAME situation, he plays 8-12 a total of 36 minutes, or the average of 7 minutes each. It should have been more like 20 minutes each.

So it doesn't look like K has changed his stubborn ways.

— Posted by dukefanv12

In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are developing in a GAME situation, he plays 8-12 a total of 36 minutes, or the average of 7 minutes each. It should have been more like 20 minutes each. The same way McKillop did?

It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any problem with the way minutes were given out against KU because KU was a winnable game only if the very best players exceeded or matched their expected number of minutes.

12 guys played. Maybe K has changed his stubborn ways about playing bench players in real game situations...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

You never do &quot;Get it&quot;... In an excellent opportunity to see how ALL of his players are developing in a GAME situation, he plays 8-12 a total of 36 minutes, or the average of 7 minutes each. It should have been more like 20 minutes each.

My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

Good point, Tizu. Game play IS very different than practice. Have to ask...why did Duke decide to drive to the basket the last 2 minutes instead of looking for the 3? Not asking anyone to be K, but it did seem odd.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

It's still early. So far one game against Davidson and one game against KU. I don't have any problem with the way minutes were given out against KU because KU was a winnable game only if the very best players exceeded or matched their expected number of minutes.

My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

Good point, Tizu. Game play IS very different than practice. Have to ask...why did Duke decide to drive to the basket the last 2 minutes instead of looking for the 3? Not asking anyone to be K, but it did seem odd.

— Posted by seedofdoubt

maybe because of all the fouls being called....get to the line. But we shot those horrible.

As a UNC man i have to give it to Duke and say you have an awesome team and hands down the best coach around. As far as this season it is very early and i think you guys will be just fine and have a great chance at number 5. You have a very young team and it will take all season to grow. Good Luck, i am not looking forward to playing you guys this year.

My point, for those not intellectually challenged, was that they don't get to play long enough to prove their worth. Practice is one thing, in game is another. They will never get the experience needed to play more in games if they don't get to...play in games.

Good point, Tizu. Game play IS very different than practice. Have to ask...why did Duke decide to drive to the basket the last 2 minutes instead of looking for the 3? Not asking anyone to be K, but it did seem odd.

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

And I'd really like to avoid another Lehigh....

— Posted by dukefanv12

The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good enough to score more than them if we play them again in April. It's more than likely that that rotation won't include Murphy or Plumlee unless they can prove themselves in practice and earn their way into that rotation.

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not going to be able to score more points than Kansas next time, and we don't have the team to beat MSU or UK in March either.

There is no one else to improve the rotation.

Yet to see what other teams develop from the next set, but they all are going to improve, and we're stuck with .... Oh... a short bench, and no big men.....

— Posted by dukefanv12

Good post from a true fan who is genuinely concerned. this is why coach k has never enjoyed the high level of success of Dean or Roy.

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

And I'd really like to avoid another Lehigh....

— Posted by dukefanv12

The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good enough to score more than them if we play them again in April. It's more than likely that that rotation won't include Murphy or Plumlee unless they can prove themselves in practice and earn their way into that rotation.

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not going to be able to score more points than Kansas next time, and we don't have the team to beat MSU or UK in March either.

There is no one else to improve the rotation.

Yet to see what other teams develop from the next set, but they all are going to improve, and we're stuck with .... Oh... a short bench, and no big men.....

— Posted by dukefanv12

nope. the hope is that the current rotation improves at a faster rate than the other contenders and duke will be in a position to beat anyone in the country on any given night come april...

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

And I'd really like to avoid another Lehigh....

— Posted by dukefanv12

The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good enough to score more than them if we play them again in April. It's more than likely that that rotation won't include Murphy or Plumlee unless they can prove themselves in practice and earn their way into that rotation.

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

If we are truly there, and players like Murphy and Plumblee don't come to fruition, we're not going to be able to score more points than Kansas next time, and we don't have the team to beat MSU or UK in March either.

There is no one else to improve the rotation.

Yet to see what other teams develop from the next set, but they all are going to improve, and we're stuck with .... Oh... a short bench, and no big men.....

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

And I'd really like to avoid another Lehigh....

— Posted by dukefanv12

The only thing I care about, after the Kansas game Tuesday, is finding a rotation that's good enough to score more than them if we play them again in April. It's more than likely that that rotation won't include Murphy or Plumlee unless they can prove themselves in practice and earn their way into that rotation.

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.

The time the bench players get in practice, going against the starting five, is when they have the chance to develop and prove they are capable of playing against real opponents like Kansas. Coach K has always said he doesn't waste a minute of game time on players that haven't proven themselves in practice. He would rather 'fine tune' the unit that is definitely proven than to play someone that hadn't earned that playing time in practice...

— Posted by 903 Hook em banned

And that results in two things. a short bench, and the undevelopment of players...

which then results in either, if the 'choosen' players play at the top level every game, they have a good season, and when they don't... we have Lehigh.