Joe Buddens needs to stop BSinâ€™ wit these dayum mixtapes and put out a real albumâ€¦ then maybe heâ€™ll get some more exposure. I canâ€™t see Joe beating Ras Kass in a straight up freestyle battle though.

October 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
^^ its called contractual obligations. he cant go indie until def jam releases him from his contract

^^Ummm, he has released mixtapes, so what is the real difference? Shyt, he could leave Def Jam and go somewhere else. I just think he should be fighting harder for the future of his career and music. Prince did, hell even Ras Kass fought for his freedom.

ive been a buddens fan since before his album dropped. cant remember where I first heard of him.. think i read an interview and thought– this kid’s got heart, I’ma check for him, checked for him, thought – this kid’s got flow
been down with him ever since. stay trying to put other mofo’s down. but especially down here– no one has ever heard of him.

^^ like heâ€™s the one saying â€œnoâ€“ dont release my album yetâ€ smh

^^What about an independent release? Plenty of folks do it.

LISTEN TO THE BROKEN WINGS

” FEEL LIKE A-ROD SOME SAY HIS TIMES UP/
BOO A NIGGA AT HOME YUP I’M IN MY PRIME BUT/
HE BY FAR THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM/
AND THEY JUST TURN AROUND AND DROP HIM TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE-UP/
HE SHOULD GET TRADED BUT HE DON;T WANNA MOVE/
CAUSE THIS THE ONLY CITY HE GOT SOMETHING TO PROVE/
AND THATS WHY I’M SEEN WITH HEATERS/
CAUSE YOU CAN;T BE THE MAN WHEN YOUR ON THE SAME TEAM AS JETER ” – BUDDENS

ALSO YOU HAVE TO FUFILL YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO THE LABEL BEFORE YOU CAN JUST GO AROUND DROPPING SHIT ELSEWHERE

@ jamz- legalities with mixtapes are different. ask shanti- its been a few years since my contract law classes. but basically its not as easy at it seems– def jam has to either release him from his contract, release his album, or he has to bought out by another label…and def jam has to okay that as well

October 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
^^ its called contractual obligations. he cant go indie until def jam releases him from his contract

^^Ummm, he has released mixtapes, so what is the real difference? Shyt, he could leave Def Jam and go somewhere else. I just think he should be fighting harder for the future of his career and music. Prince did, hell even Ras Kass fought for his freedom.

YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW THE RECORD INDUSTRY WORKS, ITS NOT THAT EASY ASK METH, YOU NEED TO FUFILL YOUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON
( MIXTAPES ARENT SUPPOSED TO GENERATE AN INCOME, FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY, THATS WHY THE HAVE NO AFFECT ON STUDIO ALBUMS OR LABEL SITUATIONS )

Yo I dont come back for a day and Eskay you are on your JO homie, all kinds of shit for me to read and look at…… I say the Game easily does 500k in the first week and that Wamp Wamp is ok and I am a fan of The Clipse but whats up with Swagger Jacking Paul Wall of all people, no Ravishing Rick Rude

^^ I don’t know… He doesn’t have that buzz around him when his first CD came out… I remember hearing “How We DO” and everyone was banging that around everywhere (that Dre beat was fire & 50 chorus was tight).. Plus everyone is flopping in the industry so you never know?

That “Lets Ride/Strip Club”, Game really bites 50 for a chorus and then in the second verse he raps just like Dre does… But all that doesn’t matter as long as the general public like it..

YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW THE RECORD INDUSTRY WORKS, ITS NOT THAT EASY ASK METH, YOU NEED TO FUFILL YOUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON
( MIXTAPES ARENT SUPPOSED TO GENERATE AN INCOME, FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY, THATS WHY THE HAVE NO AFFECT ON STUDIO ALBUMS OR LABEL SITUATIONS )

^^For your information, every contract is different..so stop acting like you have Joe Budden’s contract in your hand or that u have even seen it. The truth is, U don’t have to stay in bad situation, just ask Ice Cube, Prince, P. Monch, Dr. Dre, Ras Kass, Angie Stone and tons of other artists that have fought for their freedom. If u believe Joe is doing everything to get off of Def Jam then you are foolin yourself son! Joe is doing nothing for Def Jam but taking up space, so why wouldn’t he be able to get off the label? He mentions in his last freestyle that he wants to stay onboard so he can prove something, so he will remain another casualty of hiphop war that will never see his full potential.

U can keep blaming the record for everything that goes wrong in artist’s life if you want, but Joe needs to take some responsibility. He had his shot as a rookie in 2003 and he flopped, so I don’t see Def Jam putting any money behind him anytime soon.

Dr. Dre gave up everything he had to get off of Death Row, so he could regain control of his career. Joe could do the same if he chose too.

Lastly, if you think mixtapes aren’t intended to or don’t make money you have been bamboozled once again. Mixtapes are packaged and sold for a profit. It cost money to make them, so why wouldn’t the artist want to make money? Even though you download them for free, they were originally meant to be sold not stole my man.

damn jamz… were you drafting that comeback the entire time the nahright server was down?

you’re right– i’m not reading joe’s contract, and you’re right you dont have to stay in a bad situation, but ask any of those artists you named how hard it was to get out of their contracts, whether the labels wants them or not, its not like walking in he door pissing on your contracts and saying im out bitches.

no idea why joe hasnt tried to bounce, i can only presume his contract has some pretty tight clauses in there which is why he’s choosing to wait out the terms and let it expire so he can go elsewhere or go free agent.

If u believe Joe is doing everything to get off of Def Jam then you are foolin yourself son! Joe is doing nothing for Def Jam but taking up space, so why wouldnâ€™t he be able to get off the label? He mentions in his last freestyle that he wants to stay onboard so he can prove something, so he will remain another casualty of hiphop war that will never see his full potential.

^^fOR ANY OTHER ARTIST YEA MAYBE, BUT this is Regular Joe B here, there are some niggas on this planet that live comfortable off rap and its cool with them, you ever seen a nigga win the lotto and still go to work at the post office till they retire?…And you ask yourself what the fucks wrong with that person…they just regular niggas yo..not everybody wants to be Bentleyd up with Mega dollars..some people will settle for a BMW, a home and the chance to live a regular life…in the real world we call this having “humility”

U can keep blaming the record for everything that goes wrong in artistâ€™s life if you want, but Joe needs to take some responsibility. He had his shot as a rookie in 2003 and he flopped, so I donâ€™t see Def Jam putting any money behind him anytime soon.

ACTUALLY HE WENT GOLD OFF OF ONE SINGLE WITH NO CREW NO ONE CO-SIGNING HIM NO PUSH NO NOTHING AND HE STILL WENT GOLD 9 HE SOLD MORE THAN DEF JAM THOUGHT HE WOULD SO HOW IS THAT A FLOP )

FALL BACK AND LEAN WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT SERIOUSLY

AND SHIT NAH RIGHT CANT LEAVE THE BLOCK EVEN FOR A MINUTE, US FIENDS DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITHOUT IT

no idea why joe hasnt tried to bounce, i can only presume his contract has some pretty tight clauses in there which is why heâ€™s choosing to wait out the terms and let it expire so he can go elsewhere or go free agent.

^^On a whole Dj as a label probably treats its artists better than any other, why go looking for Supper and brunch when you can eat breakfast lunch and dinner?..Redman, Ghost etc, they may not be eating off of record sales but they eating from video games, etc.

Everybody cant be 50 cent and jay dawg…you gotta have your M.O.P’s and your Cannibuses..if everyone got rich from rappin..the music would suck.

youâ€™re rightâ€“ iâ€™m not reading joeâ€™s contract, and youâ€™re right you dont have to stay in a bad situation, but ask any of those artists you named how hard it was to get out of their contracts, whether the labels wants them or not, its not like walking in he door pissing on your contracts and saying im out bitches.

no idea why joe hasnt tried to bounce, i can only presume his contract has some pretty tight clauses in there which is why heâ€™s choosing to wait out the terms and let it expire so he can go elsewhere or go free agent.

^^I feel you on how difficult it may be for Joe to break his contract if he wanted, but he’s not even trying. But, we are talking about Joe Buddens, not Jay Z. Joe has a few loyal fans, but he’s mostly unknown. I can’t imagine it being that hard for him to get off of DJ? U have to wonder why someone will not even try to give themselves a chance. Your livelyhood should be worth fighting for at all cost. It’s not like the I’m even true fan of Joe’s music, but it’s just the prinicipal.

Yo TY..shits funny on here for real..like if your a drug dealer and u have a condo, a BMW, mad hoes, fresh gear..youre ballin..but if you have the same shit as a rapper..you’re a bum..JOE BUDDENS was a fuckin dusthead,..listen to his raps do he sound like he wanna ball?..

Has anybody confirmed that Joe actually wants off Def Jam, or is just some â€œmaaan, if I was that niggaâ€ type speculation?

JUST PEOPLE SPECULATING AGAIN PAY ATTENTION TO THESE WORDS

â€I FEEL LIKE A-ROD SOME SAY HIS TIMES UP/
BOO A NIGGA AT HOME YUP Iâ€™M IN MY PRIME BUT/
HE BY FAR THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM/
AND THEY JUST TURN AROUND AND DROP HIM TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE-UP/
HE SHOULD GET TRADED BUT HE DON;T WANNA MOVE/
CAUSE THIS THE ONLY CITY HE GOT SOMETHING TO PROVE/
AND THATS WHY Iâ€™M SEEN WITH HEATERS/
CAUSE YOU CAN;T BE THE MAN WHEN YOUR ON THE SAME TEAM AS JETER â€ – BUDDENS

Ty – What hell do you mean Joe got no PUSH! Man, that katz poster was up all over my city, plus I saw his videos daily on MTV and BET son! Plus he even had daily radio play. With that kinda push, GOLD is a flop! Going gold is a major achievement for independent artists like J-Zone or Wordsworth, not a Def Jam artist. I was actually looking forward to his debut, but it ended up being crap.

Miss me with this Joe Budden pitty party shyt man. Joe had a better chance then most artists ever get. Stop feelin’ sorry for dat dude!

the fact is that not everybody that can flow or has lyrics has everything it takes to become a major star. some cats is just for hiphop heads to debate about. not ready for prime time. look at ghost. he can only be but so popular. not because he isn’t charismatic or isn’t ill on the mic, its just he hasn’t found the venue to be a superstar. i think he still scares most of middle america. a reality show might do him some good actually. look at what its done for flav.

Your livelyhood should be worth fighting for at all cost. Itâ€™s not like the Iâ€™m even true fan of Joeâ€™s music, but itâ€™s just the prinicipal.

^^The nigga has a condo in NJ, a BMW I believe and he’s probably still sleeping right now after fuckin and poppin bottles last night, getting ready to go do a show tonight for a few grand..you at work on NR..come on stop the madness…

That same rebelliousness you got right now take it and go into your boss’s office and tell him if he dont help your livelihood some more you’re gonna have to go work for the competition,..then watch as he laughs at you walkin across the street to Burger King.

Miss me with this Joe Budden pitty party shyt man. Joe had a better chance then most artists ever get. Stop feelinâ€™ sorry for dat dude!

^^you are right..well I cant speak for TY or Greenie but I dont think money matters to this kid..He is a true artist that just wants a shot to be heard by the masses..hated or loved..that s always been the vibe I got from dude..which is why that “money hungry in the club lets get paid” single of his was so lackluster..thats not what dudes about., while TY and Greenie may think he wants to come out to get paid..I think he just wants his moment in the spotlight as an artist.

I can picture a Ghost reality show. But the rule is, having learned from Flavor Flav, episodes can’t be more than 15 minutes long. You’ll need 45 min. of commercials to sit and figure out what the hell just happened!

Ty – What hell do you mean Joe got no PUSH! Man, that katz poster was up all over my city, plus I saw his videos daily on MTV and BET son! Plus he even had daily radio play. With that kinda push, GOLD is a flop! Going gold is a major achievement for independent artists like J-Zone or Wordsworth, not a Def Jam artist. I was actually looking forward to his debut, but it ended up being crap.

Miss me with this Joe Budden pitty party shyt man. Joe had a better chance then most artists ever get. Stop feelinâ€™ sorry for dat dude!

YOUR JUST TALKING NONSENSE, HE HAD ONE SINGLE THE SECOND SINGLE CAME AFTER HE ALREADY WENT GOLD AND HIS SHIT WAS OUT FOR MONTHS, YEAH YOU SAW HIM EVERYWHERE CAUSE FIRE AND PUMP IT UP WAS USED DURING THE WORLD SERIES AND NBA FINALS SO HE GOT PAID FROM THAT SHIT AND THATS ALL YOU SAW PROMOTION WISE.

JOE HAS BEEN SHELVED FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS ALL CAUSE HE WENT BACK AND DESTROYED JAY ON THE PUMP IT UP REMIX AFTER THAT JAY HASNT WANTED TO PUSH HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS JOE IS THE TURTH, ITS JAY-Z’S FAULT THE GROWTH KEEPS GETTING PUSHED BACK NOT JOE’S TRY AND LEARN SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY HERE JAMZ

Your livelyhood should be worth fighting for at all cost. Itâ€™s not like the Iâ€™m even true fan of Joeâ€™s music, but itâ€™s just the prinicipal.

^^The nigga has a condo in NJ, a BMW I believe and heâ€™s probably still sleeping right now after fuckin and poppin bottles last night, getting ready to go do a show tonight for a few grand..you at work on NR..come on stop the madnessâ€¦

That same rebelliousness you got right now take it and go into your bossâ€™s office and tell him if he dont help your livelihood some more youâ€™re gonna have to go work for the competition,..then watch as he laughs at you walkin across the street to Burger King.

LMAO CLASSIC, THATS WHY WE NAMED HIM OUR HEAD COACH DUDE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

while TY and Greenie may think he wants to come out to get paid..I think he just wants his moment in the spotlight as an artist.

^^^
im happy to admit im a fan, but his bank accounts dont have any effect on me- my name isnt angie (bet only ty gets it), i never said hes trying to make bank, i think dude just has mad shit to say, but most mofos are to busy screaming “BALLLLIN” to listen

Miss me with this Joe Budden pitty party shyt man. Joe had a better chance then most artists ever get. Stop feelinâ€™ sorry for dat dude!

^^you are right..well I cant speak for TY or Greenie but I dont think money matters to this kid..He is a true artist that just wants a shot to be heard by the masses..hated or loved..that s always been the vibe I got from dude..which is why that â€œmoney hungry in the club lets get paidâ€ single of his was so lackluster..thats not what dudes about., while TY and Greenie may think he wants to come out to get paid..I think he just wants his moment in the spotlight as an artist.

I DON’T THINK HE WANTS TO GET PAID, SHIT I LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC ALL OF IT I KNOW DUDE IS COMFORTABLE MONEY WISE AND DOESNT GIVE A DAMN HE AINT CHANGING NOTHING FOR SALES.

” I’M THE VOICE OF THE YOUTH THATS LIVING FOR NO REASON/
SAY FUCK RECORD SALES I GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN ”

IF YOU LISTEN TO ANY OF HIS MUSIC YOU KNOW HIS MUSIC IS A FORM OF THERAPY FOR HIM HE HAS SAID HE WOULD RATHER PUT OUT MIXTAPES FOREVER THAN TO CHANGE HIS MUSIC FOR SOMEONE ELSES EARS, JOEY IS THE TURTH AND HE IS DOING HIM THATS IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

HONESTLY I THINK THAT SINCE JOEY TOOK THAT TRACK BACK JAY DECIDED TO SHELF HIM ( DOES HE TALK ABOUT HIM NOW ? NO PROBABLY NOT CAUSE HE SHELVED HIM 3 YEARS AGO AND HE FORGOT HE IS STILL ON THE ROSTER BUT I THINK HOV SHEVELED HIM ON PURPOSE I CAN’T SEE ANY OTHER EXPLANITION ( AND I THINK JAY IS THE NICEST ALIVE BUT I THINK HE IS SCARED JOE COULD BE CAPABLE OF TAKING HIS SPOT )

lol greenie and TY..I said “may” feel so..I didnt want to add yall as co conspirators without legal counsel, I dont know how someone could be mad at someone that gets on stage and blabbles for a living, hangs out with the wealthy, have a stable home, nice car, groupie women at shows, been featured on 2 of the top selling video game s of all time.

I’d trade lives with Joe Buddens right now.

@BIGGS you know Cleveland fired carthon?..I think the team will be extra hyped to beat us now..I dont feel good about this week but..we’ll see.

PS. John Abrahamstring is out for the year too..good riddance…Yo wheres wescoast? we need this sports blog to pop off.

GREENIE – YEAH I GET IT FIGURED ESKAY AND BILLZ WOULD GET IT TOO, DEFITELY FILTHYTUNES AND SOME OTHERS BUT FOR THE MOST PART YOU KNOW WE THE ONLY ONES
AND AGAIN JUST TO CLARIFY I COULD CARE LESS HOW ANYONE SELLS THAT HAS NO AFFECT ON IF I LIKE THE MUSIC, AFTER ALL IF THAT WAS THE CASE WOULDNT I NOT LIKE BUDDENS SINCE HE APPARENTLY ” FLOPPED “

eskay Says:
October 24th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
>>eskay any info on what diddy did the first week

the day after he dropped they were projecting 185k, which if he does that, he fucking lost.

^who is checking for a diddy album, really? but this proves that major label moves are over. if diddy flops labels will pull all money out will lock papoose up in the basement next to the clipse and try to forget about the money they lost.

Biggs you ever seen Angie? she must look good as shit for all the shit Joey went through with herâ€¦

LMAO YO I SWEAR I SAID THAT SHIT TO MY EX A WHILE BACK. I ALWAYS USED TO BE LIKE DAMN SHE MUST BE FLY AS SHIT OR GIVE RIDICULOUS BRAINS IF HE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT SHIT WITH HER, CAUSE THATS THE ONLY REASON I’M STILL WITH YOU AFTER ALL THE SHIT YOU PUT ME THROUGH AND SHIT AINT NOTHING IN COMPARISION

BUT NAW DONT GOT A CLUE WHAT SEE LOOKS LIKE

” WHEN WILL THESE COWARDS LEARN THOUGH/
I ONLY FUCK CHICKS LOOKING LIKE THEY OFF THE HOWARD STERN SHOW ” – BUDDENS

lol greenie and TY..I said â€œmayâ€ feel so..I didnt want to add yall as co conspirators without legal counsel, I dont know how someone could be mad at someone that gets on stage and blabbles for a living, hangs out with the wealthy, have a stable home, nice car, groupie women at shows, been featured on 2 of the top selling video game s of all time.

Iâ€™d trade lives with Joe Buddens right now.

YEAH YEAH MEET MR. ME TOO

@BIGGS you know Cleveland fired carthon?..I think the team will be extra hyped to beat us now..I dont feel good about this week but..weâ€™ll see.

DIDNT SEE THAT DAMN, STILL SHOULDNT BE A PROBLEM AS LONG AS YOU GOT THEM READY TO PLAY

PS. John Abrahamstring is out for the year too..good riddanceâ€¦Yo wheres wescoast? we need this sports blog to pop off.

Ty – See, u talkin sideways again Paul Wall. How the hell do you know what kinda promotion Joe Buddens got? Sometimes you act like you are his manager or something. U just a fan dawg, so stop acting like it’s something more.

Promotion is promotion..period! I saw that dudes album release comercials and I saw his videos on the regular …so he got solid promotion. U named 3 tracks that youl liked off that album. There were a couple of tracks on the album that stood out, but when did 3 tracks outta 17 become a good album?? Sounds like crap to me and millions of hiphop fans with common since. Miss me with that too….

An stop blaming Jay for Joe’s lame career. Joe was canned before Jay even took over, so stop it! Joe needs to take control like I said before. If not, I can careless though truthfully…

Ty – See, u talkin sideways again Paul Wall. How the hell do you know what kinda promotion Joe Buddens got? Sometimes you act like you are his manager or something. U just a fan dawg, so stop acting like itâ€™s something more.

Promotion is promotion..period! I saw that dudes album release comercials and I saw his videos on the regular â€¦so he got solid promotion. U named 3 tracks that youl liked off that album. There were a couple of tracks on the album that stood out, but when did 3 tracks outta 17 become a good album?? Sounds like crap to me and millions of hiphop fans with common since. Miss me with that tooâ€¦.

An stop blaming Jay for Joeâ€™s lame career. Joe was canned before Jay even took over, so stop it! Joe needs to take control like I said before. If not, I can careless though truthfullyâ€¦
——————-
YES!!! YES!!! JAMZ YOU ARE COOL WIT ME

JAMZ – WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BABBLE YOUR DIGGIN YOUR OWN HOLE HOMIE, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT SO JUST STOP IT, YOU SAW COMMERCIALS FOR HIS ALBUM ? REALLY YOU WOULD REMEMBER SEEING A BUDDENS COMMERCIAL FROM 3 YEARS AGO ? GTFOH

THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN 3 GOOD SONGS ON HIS ALBUM I JUST NAMED THOSE 3 REAL QUICK YOU ARE FCKING RETARDED HOW DO YOU FUNCTION IN LIFE ?

MOOD MUSIC 2 > 95 % OF ALL ALBUMS RELEASED IN THE PAST 3 YEARS

An stop blaming Jay for Joeâ€™s lame career. Joe was canned before Jay even took over, so stop it! Joe needs to take control like I said before. If not, I can careless though truthfullyâ€¦

AGAIN SMARTEN UP JAMZ, YOU KNOW NOTHING AS CLEARLY SHOWN BY THIS COMMENT, ALL SO YOU GOT A FUNNY WAY OF NOT CARING ( SPENDING AN HOUR OR 2 ARGUEING ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE COMPUTER MEANS YOU CARE FALL BACK AND SMARTEN UP )

Ty – See, u talkin sideways again Paul Wall. How the hell do you know what kinda promotion Joe Buddens got? Sometimes you act like you are his manager or something. U just a fan dawg, so stop acting like itâ€™s something more.

Promotion is promotion..period! I saw that dudes album release comercials and I saw his videos on the regular â€¦so he got solid promotion. U named 3 tracks that youl liked off that album. There were a couple of tracks on the album that stood out, but when did 3 tracks outta 17 become a good album?? Sounds like crap to me and millions of hiphop fans with common since. Miss me with that tooâ€¦.

An stop blaming Jay for Joeâ€™s lame career. Joe was canned before Jay even took over, so stop it! Joe needs to take control like I said before. If not, I can careless though truthfullyâ€¦
â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”-
YES!!! YES!!! JAMZ YOU ARE COOL WIT ME

YEAH LIKE PLUG OPINION MEANS ANYTHING

MAKE EM SAY EHHHHHHHHH NA NA NA NA, AGAIN IF PLUG HATES SOMETHING THAT USUALY MEANS SHITS FIRE, IF HE LIKES IT IT MEANS YOU CANT HEAR NOTHING BUT SPEAKERS RATTLING

50cent: “Yo send me the link to his pic, that nigga was laughin at G unit all year..I bet this nigga is a hairdresser”

The Game” Waddup my NR fam..I love this site..matter fact I hate this site fuck Eskay, naw its all love..yall heard the new filthytunes?

Hova: Yea filthytunes is the truth, that nigga just signed a deal with myspace records..I bet he got crazy more money than KLO and Caliber do from uploading songs.

Nas: “you crazy KLo and Cal are them niggas..they be on point”..

Hova: “filthytunes> Caliber + KLO ….KLO lost”

Nas: “You crazy, you must be out your mind..filthy is winning..I heard he about to sign to youtube thru a distribution deal … FILth wins

Lavar Arrington:” I fuckin tore my achilles trynna do the balllin dance yesterday, on my way to the hospital I seen Eric Mangini and some pie faced chick at cheap azz Applebees…he was carrying her purse too”

Ty – Ha Ha…..I am going to help you out here Ty because you don’t see the pattern that is developing. Debating is about making points. The reality is, I never have to prove anything, I just have to lesson the credibility of my opponent, which automatically makes me right. Your biggest flaw is that you are debating with your emotions involved. U have already lost the debate when feelings get in the way. U use weak opinions to make points that also have now value during the discussion. The babbling is really coming from you.

Saying stuff like, “You know nothing” and “You need to smarten up” just shows me that you really have nothing valid to say? That’s why I enjoy toying with you about Joe, because you would just about sell your soul to have someone say that Joe is great! That’s sad.

It’s just MUSIC dawg! He is just a man that puts on his pants one leg at a time like you do. If he’s not paying your bills, putting food on your table or providing you nights of sexual pleasure, why should you care so much about him? Maybe when you get a little older and become a little more mature all of the stuff I am saying right now will finally make sense??

YOUR THE IDIOT THAT REFUSES TO LISTEN TO THE BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR CAUSE THE COVER IS TOO COLORFUL,
—-
sorry brah. I’m from the ole school. grown men who play wit toys and wear rainbows just arenin up here. I dnt know how yall do it on the east coast but up here….

JAMZ – SHUT THE FUCK UP, I LIEK BUDDENS CAUSE HE IS KILLING IT THE MOST OUT THERE, THERE IS NO ONE ALIVE THAT MAKES ME HIT THE REWIND BUTTON MORE THAN BUDDENS THERE IS NO ONE THAT WOWS ME MORE THAN BUDDENS I DONT CARE HOW HE SELLS HOW MUCH MONEY HE HAS WHAT PUSSY HE GETS I JUST WANT HIS CRACK MUSIC YOUR THE ONE THATS SPENT THE LAST 2-3 HOURS TELLING ME THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS BUT HE CHOOSES NOT TO PUT OUT AN ALBUM YOUR TALKING HOT AIR PURE GARABGE JUST CAUSE I CALL YOU OUT ON IT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT ITS STILL GARBAGE, GO GET YOUR OLDER BORTHER SEE IF HE CAN SCHOOL YOU TO SOME SHIT CAUSE YOU ARE CLEARLY FUCKING LOST IN LIFE.

PLUG – BUT COLORS AND HIS COVER DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC HE MAKES

LOL shanti..Im a NR vet..you know eskay keeps a hidden gem in his pockets whenever he has to rescue one of his posts from gettin low numbers, instant conversation piece..like some old azz BET footage of HOV stumbling over his own words. Nas won lol naw..lemmi stop, lets keep this topic related to the daily headlines..*looks for JoeB name in the headlines*

Yo Tyrone let me step in and offer my two cents. If yall aint know my peoples is Young Guru rocafella fame he told me through DURO Joes engineer that Joe has a million songs on deck but none of them have been strong enough. Also Def Jam has a hard time marketing dude hes lyrically nice but doesnt have any flair and with NY hip hop the way it is its just nit gonna work. Ive heard a few tracks that DEFJAM has tried to push over the last few years and they just aint that hot. Gangsta Party anyone?
I dont think its Defjams or Joes fault more a combination of the two and the whole industry being the way it is. Joey could come with some stronger singles though they have not been that bumping. From what I know he never wanted to put out that Fire song either, which didnt help as it was waaaay to Jerseyccentric…

Elton John is a genius it doesnt matter gay or not my man is sick…James Baldwin too.
And probably 80% of these rappers too… I think Kanyeeezy mnay be a tad touched those that not make him nice? His beats are still sick

IF YOU LIKE HIS MUSIC FINE DO YOU, BUT LUPEâ€™S MUSIC IS STRAIGHT CRACK NOTHING GAY ABOUT IT, BUT YOU WOULDNT KNOW CAUSE YOU REFUSE TO GIVE DUDE A CHANCE
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I had and gave away the advance copy before you even knew who lupe was. remember, chicago is an hour away. He has skills but swagger means alot to me. I cant beleive niggas are defending teltubby collectors

Elton John is a genius it doesnt matter gay or not my man is sickâ€¦James Baldwin too.
And probably 80% of these rappers tooâ€¦ I think Kanyeeezy mnay be a tad touched those that not make him nice? His beats are still sick
——
I feel the kanye thing but, lupe has a gay symbol on his cover. The kanye stuff is just he say she say. lupe said he was

Ive heard a few tracks that DEFJAM has tried to push over the last few years and they just aint that hot. Gangsta Party anyone?
I dont think its Defjams or Joes fault more a combination of the two and the whole industry being the way it is.

NO THATS ALL TRUE I CAN SEE THAT BUT STILL THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE JAMZ WAS SAYING ITS HIS FAULT HE IS STUCK ON DEF JAM AND HIS LAZINESS IS THE REASON WHY, THATS THE ONLY THING I WAS EVERY ARGUEING ABOUT

Elton John is a genius it doesnt matter gay or not my man is sickâ€¦James Baldwin too.
And probably 80% of these rappers tooâ€¦ I think Kanyeeezy mnay be a tad touched those that not make him nice? His beats are still sick

NO THATS ALL TRUE I CAN SEE THAT BUT STILL THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE JAMZ WAS SAYING ITS HIS FAULT HE IS STUCK ON DEF JAM AND HIS LAZINESS IS THE REASON WHY, THATS THE ONLY THING I WAS EVERY ARGUEING ABOUT

If that was true Pharoahe Monch woulda been dropped an album…MOP…shit I could go on and on

if Shanti still in here, i just downloaded the “Walk It Out Remix” you dropped in the last thread. i think you said he wasnt ridin’ the beat right, but i think he killed it towards the end of his verse. i wonder if that’s an official remix tho, cuz that song is for the hood/clubs in ATL, and Dre is dissin’ people who wear tall tee’s and got nice rides. he’s a little out of place. and i see Jimmy jumped on another southern track… nothin’ wrong with that, unless you have no place being on the track, which he doesnt.

Ok thats a little exaggerated but not by much probably…all this n/h talk is the first sign. What kind of a man walks around saying that? Shit is gay as hell. Ask any woman Shanti or Green Eyes can probably help but just saying that sounds gay. When I first heard Cam talking about he says it to his lawyers I have to say hes an idiot and gay.

NO THATS ALL TRUE I CAN SEE THAT BUT STILL THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE JAMZ WAS SAYING ITS HIS FAULT HE IS STUCK ON DEF JAM AND HIS LAZINESS IS THE REASON WHY, THATS THE ONLY THING I WAS EVERY ARGUEING ABOUT

If that was true Pharoahe Monch woulda been dropped an albumâ€¦MOPâ€¦shit I could go on and on
# Paperstacker

THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH MY POINT THATS ALL I WAS SAYING AND SOMEHOW THEY TURNED IT INTO US TALKING ABOUT HIS SKILLS, EVERYONE GO BACK AND CHECK HOW IT STARTED THATS ALL I WAS SAYING

Lupe just a nerdy type of nigga, he wore a rainbow hoody once and so what? Why niggas analyzing other niggas anyways.
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how is a nigga going against every thing hip hop stood for bringin hip hop back?

Cam talking about he says it to his lawyers I have to say hes an idiot and gay.
^^^^maybe he be saying it coz half the industry is gay and he in the industry so ppl don’t get it twisted but who cares, i do know the world is mad different nowdayz just go to buckhead or manhattan see for you self.

October 24th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
even though dr. dre makes good beats can we consider his either extra slow or extra lazyâ€¦â€¦â€¦and is it all that impressive iif heâ€™s had 3 albums in 13 yearsâ€¦.thatâ€™s one every 4.4 yrs

also he don’t write shit ever but diddy gets trashed for his ghost writing and no one ever says shit about dr. dre noit to mention 2pac even stated dr. dre doesn’t make all his beats

Ty – Emotional are we? Misquoting me won’t get you the win either. Your sensitivity is so female like. U showing your panty liner again homie. There is no need to convince me that you keep you tongue in Joe’s ass on the regular, I been knew about that. Yeah, I have spent as you say 2-3 hours on here talking about this, but you have literally spent months rehashing the same lame commentary and nothing has changed. Get a grip son.

How u figure Joe is killin everybody else right now, and nobody but you & a few others have even heard his mixtapes? Joe has nothing on Phonte. U day dreamin again Lupe! U act like he’s a household name or something. U are the only person that really gives a phuck about Joe Buddens. He’s ayt, but dayum…..

and Plug naw Im a big hater of botty boys and batty fish…but im also of the mindset that until someone tells me they are gay Im not gonna say they are or arent..and Im a let God sort out that shit. I may not approve of it but half of what I do in the bedroom would get me turned down at the gates if we go by the literal interpretation so….

chillin’ Biggs. i saw y’all were talkin’ about Budden earlier. i bought his first album and i didnt even know really who he was. at first, i thought it was wack, but there’s some decent tracks on there. hope The Growth is on the way…

*imagines Joey knocking out Jay’s teeth in the Def Jam video game while Meth hypes him*

October 24th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
even though dr. dre makes good beats can we consider his either extra slow or extra lazyâ€¦â€¦â€¦and is it all that impressive iif heâ€™s had 3 albums in 13 yearsâ€¦.thatâ€™s one every 4.4 yrs

also he donâ€™t write shit ever but diddy gets trashed for his ghost writing and no one ever says shit about dr. dre noit to mention 2pac even stated dr. dre doesnâ€™t make all his beats..

but he was killing the tango dance in “been there done that” video…..dam how soon we forget

>> if dre doesnt make his own beats why can one point them out so easily?

i’m pretty sure Dre taught Scott Storch how to make beats. i seen Storch on MTV on time, sittin’ at the keyboard, and played the loop for “Still D.R.E.” and took credit for the beat. plus, Dre changes his beat style/sound/commonly-used instruments every album. i know Mike Elizondo co=produces most of `em.

Ty – Thatâ€™s the problem, you donâ€™t speak factsâ€¦but, I am finish with you for the day! Iâ€™ll catch u on the next go aroundâ€¦

DUDE YOUR RETARDED I SPEAK NOTHING BUT FACTS, IN FACT WHATEVER I SAY BECOMES FACT ONCE I SAY IT.

DUDE ALL I WAS SAYING WAS THAT YOU ARE AN IDOT FOR SAYING THIS
# Jamz Says:
October 24th, 2006 at 1:02 pm

Joe Buddens needs to stop BSinâ€™ wit these dayum mixtapes and put out a real albumâ€¦ then maybe heâ€™ll get some more exposure. I canâ€™t see Joe beating Ras Kass in a straight up freestyle battle though.

# Jamz Says:
October 24th, 2006 at 1:12 pm

green eyes Says:

October 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
^^ its called contractual obligations. he cant go indie until def jam releases him from his contract

^^Ummm, he has released mixtapes, so what is the real difference? Shyt, he could leave Def Jam and go somewhere else. I just think he should be fighting harder for the future of his career and music. Prince did, hell even Ras Kass fought for his freedom.

SEE NOW DAMN NEAR EVEYONE THAT CAME IN HERE SAID YOU WERE RETARDED FOR WHAT YOU SAID YOU SOMEHOW SWITCHED THE TOPIC AND RAN FROM YOUR ORINGAL POINT AFTER 17 DIFFERENT PEOPLE PULLED YOUR CARD AND SOMEHOW I DONT SPEAK FACTS GTFOH

and about Budden, whereâ€™s MM3? heâ€™s been leaking tracks like itâ€™s a retail album, i hope it doesnt get pushed back like a retail albumâ€¦

*thinks about mixtapes gettinâ€™ pushed back*

damn, yo. hope thatâ€™s not the case

YOU MEAN LIKE THE EM MIXTAPE ?
I’VE ONLY HEARD LIKE 2 NEW BUDDENS SONGS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS SO I’M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOOUR TALKING ABOUT BUT I WOULD ANTICPATE MM3 DROPPING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR 2, BASED REALLY OFF OF THE BROKEN WINGS FREESTYLE ONCE THAT DROPPED I KNEW IT WAS OFF OF MM3

^^
That’s true… I don’t know why Slim Thug picked Pharrel for his first commerical release.. He doesn’t sound right on Neps beats (and those beats are kinda getting played out).. Bad decision he should have used down-south beats and he would have popped off like Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire (all people he came up around & from Swisha House)

^^ lol– love how you point out that “that” particular dude he didnt shoot.. you trying to says he stays shooting others?

i kid. his whole situation is fucked up though. the whole no limit thing tanked big time.. bet no one would have ever thunk in ’97-98 P would be”dancing with the stars” or lil romeo would be he biggest miller name in entertainment

i think if anything its really suspect to be worrying about another dude’s image/style of dress/etc. i listen to plenty of rock and i couldn’t pick those dudes out of a lineup if i had to; doesn’t anyone actually listen to the music anymore