The coming evangelical collapse

I don't believe in the God expressed in the bible but many of the points raised in that link ignore several things that conflict with their views.
For example their proof that near death experiences are not real is a very one sided view of the subject. There are plenty of NDEs that are
unexplainable through the explanation they give, many who write books on this issue or who are atheist try to ignore this and simply blame it on
chemicals.

Yes indeed, sc. The word translated as 'church' in the NT is Ecclesia, meaning 'a called out assembly'. You're either called or you're not,
playing church makes you a Christian like going to Pizza Hut makes you a pizza. The days of the feel good, prosperity preaching ear itchers is nearing
an end. When it costs you more than a tithe to be a Christian, we'll begin finding out who the real Christians are.

Outstanding points SotE, I agree with every one of them, only please differentiate between Judaism and Zionism. There are a great number of observant
Jews who do not subscribe to the political movement of Zionism, and who properly recognize the Tenach as the word of God, and the Talmud as a
commentary on it by men.

Of course Christianity began to be hijacked from the very beginning with Ananias and Sapphira
so it shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone. The path has always been narrow and those who find it few.

Prosperity always makes people proud and easily lead away from God, so I see the coming economic correction as a blessing in disguise. The destroyers
have done their job and worked their evil, now it's God's time to turn it into a blessing for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Originally posted by converge
Murder is against the law not because it's a religious moral, but because murder is morally wrong, period. Atheists don't murder more people than
religious people.

The collapse of Christianity is as inevitable as the collapse of the old relligions whose symbols were the Bull - Taurus, and the Ram- Aries. These
were the ages whe the Sun was in those signs.
They both gave way for the sign of the Fish - Pices. Jesus, as the Lamb/Ram of God was sacrificed to make way for the Fish of which Jesus became the
"fisher of men>"
Now his time is up and the Sun is moving into the sign of Acquarius, the water bearer.

EXpect changes. Christians would make it easier on themselves if they would just go with the flow.

I can't say this would be a bad thing - fundamentalist Christian lobbies have done more to harm freedom than encourage it and the evangelical
movement bears many similarities with Scientology in terms of demanding money from it's followers, secrecy, bizarre personal attacks and smear
campaigns etc

This article is from a very American perspective - over here in Europe we've been post-Christianity for a very long time. It's harsh to say but a
lot of people i speak to view America as a kind of medieval-thinking, god-fearing, somewhat intellectually retarded country - 'intellectually
retarded' in the sense that most of your media is run by right wing lobbys; you can't run for office unless you're vocally Christian etc.

As a former member in the seventies of a large, charismatic church, I can state with confidence that when the Religious Right served as facile tools
for Karl Rove and George Bush, the Rapture Right wrote their own obituary.

In other words, it is ludicrous that the Bride of Christ would vote in droves for torture, invasions, and heavy favoring of corporatists and the
ultra-rich. By doing so, they have fallen into a sad deception, which may be what we used to term The Great Deception. If it isn't The Great
Deception, then it's a precursor of it.

Frankly, I'm angry at these folks. They gave us Bush, and Bush gave us two wars and this dark economic crisis. Thanks Christians. Next time you
get political, think first please!

I cannot say that the death of evangelism is a bad thing. To me, it represents something that will make Christians and non-Christians cringe in its
deliberately ham handed delivery, unabashed combination of salesmanship and faith, and its followers tendency to shoehorn their faith into any facet
they can manage. I'll miss evangelicals as much I'll miss Zionists and the fanatical branches of Islam, because all of them have taken their
religion to a dubious extreme.

This article is from a very American perspective - over here in Europe we've been post-Christianity for a very long time. It's harsh to say but a
lot of people i speak to view America as a kind of medieval-thinking, god-fearing, somewhat intellectually retarded country - 'intellectually
retarded' in the sense that most of your media is run by right wing lobbys; you can't run for office unless you're vocally Christian etc.

Actually the media here is run by the same people who run your media over there -- the off-shore banksters whose central headquarters are in London,
England, and who own and run the Federal Reserve and all the other banks of the world.

These same people also run the media. They control everything that happens worldwide, start all the wars, finance both sides, and create all the
"crises" that happen so they can have an excuse to put their solutions in place, the Final Solution (as Hitler used to say) to be the New World
Order (or Zionist Fourth Reich) and the killing off of at least 75 percent of the world's population.

Christianity will never die. Developing a relationship with Jesus Christ as not only your Lord and Saviour, but your loving, caring friend will ensure
that you can endure any "collapse" whether financial, natural disaster or post-apocalypticia. Get to know him and you won't end up as a religious
person with nothing left to stand on when super-saturated consumerism delivers it's final crushing blow to America.

Hi Grover,
Interesting OP an link.
This is not the only time schools of thought have predicted an end to aspect of religious movenments or groups. Many Scholars thought that Seularism
was the deathnell of christianity and The Church as the state removed this influence from its structures and mechanisms in a form of exorcisms from
public life. Many 20th century Scholars expressed that they though Christianity was dead and Many Atheist thought, that as a progression, faith would
eventually give way to the rationality, critical thinking and reliance of science. They were all wrong.

Many Scholars now acknowledge we are in a post Secular age were religion is even more influential and robust, locally, nationally and Globally. We can
see this by lookng at India, Isreal, The US post 9/11, in election of 2004 and 2008 were faith was a huge issue. The Muslim world, especially
throughout the third world. Religion and faith seems even more central to individuals daily life then ever before.
We can also track the oppsite, the reaction of the Atheistic response in the emergence of outspoken figure heads like Dawkins and Hitchen(for example)
as a hallmark of the growing prevelance of religion again etc. and the Atheistic realm not willing to sit idle as religion regains it relevance many
thought was bound to fade.

I think what will really collapse is our western materialist paradigm. We are watching the process of this now as our system continues to fail and
people realise that we need a new way of living, this will also fuel the anti-west sentiment and with it the wests secular nature. In the wake of this
I believe the religions and churches will infact flourish and prosper.

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