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In article <347B74B8.C98A563C@mail.sgi.net>, Tim & Sue Ellen wrote:
>I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my
>hive for cold weather?
>
>Tim PA.
>
Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to
gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out
carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather.
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From: "Dr. Lalo"
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Pollinator wrote:
>
> In article <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net>, "Dr. Lalo"
> writes:
>
> >Kathy Hough wrote:
> >
> > Ladislao Guerra wrote:
> >
> > > In my area (Long
> >Island, New York..
> > >
> > > Honey prices are as high as $5/pound!!
> > >
> > >
> >Lalo
> >
> > I'm moving to Long Island!
>
> Yes...but the cost of living on LI
> >are extremely high...eg...rental of 3
> bedroom house $15oo-2,000....gas $1.25
> >for cheapest...milk $2.15 a
> gallon!
>
> Think twice before you moe to
> >LI!
>
> That's a different economy. How about moving to rural South Carolina and
> sell your honey in Long Island? On second thought, why am I suggesting that to
> you? I should be doing that myself.
>
> Regular unleaded is 97.9 here in Hemingway, a decent three bedroom house can
> be rented for around $300/mo. Of course we get *only* $3.25 for a pint of
> honey
> (1 1/2 #). Wholesale is $28/case.
>
> Say, that Long Island honey isn't Kosher, is it? An acquaintance got his
> approved for the Kosher stamp. He says it doubled the value.
>
> Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA
> The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html
>
> Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles)
> http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm
The reason why local honey on LI commands higher price is because people
are willing to pay more for honey that has LOCAL pollens for their
allergies. To them it makes no sense to buy honey from South Carolina
when they are allergic to pollens from NY.
Lalo
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From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter)
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>I think that using 4/4 unplaned and only taking 1/8 off won't give a
>very good finished board. Might be better off starting with 5/4 rough
>or finished stock and plane it to 7/8.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
If your wood comes from a crosseyed sawyer this is true
I plane on light pass on each side of 4/4 pick the side that will plane the
smoothest for the inside and if a little roughness remains it becomes the paint
side.
also a quick and dirty guage at the planer is an open end wrench.
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From: Elroy Rogers
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Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites
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P h i l wrote:
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> Any chance of you posting more specific details on this in the NG for
> us> Like formula, how applied, when applied, etc....
> TIA
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> Elroy Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the
> > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using
> > mineral oil?
> >
> > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle,
> > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of
> > bars.
I used 3 cups sugar, 3 cups water 4-5 oz mineral oil. You can put 6
drops of spearmint oil or wintergreen oil in to get a faster mite kill,
but bees seem to be annoyed by it. Put the mixture in spray bottle and
shake before spraying to get mineral oil to mix with sugar water, you
must shake the spray bottle every minute or mineral oil will separate.
I sprayed the fronts of the hive with the mixture weting it completely
try to get the sprayer to spray in a mist so as not to cause large
puddles. If this is done early in the morning the bees will come out and
clean it all up. I think this is most likely feed to the brood instead
of going into any stores. Spraying the inside of cover is optional I did
it when I checked the honey supers, it will help get results faster.
I checked my bees last summer once every week, I treated them on each
visit. The brood is being capped every 8 days so I thought the weekly
time period would work well. The type of spray bottle I used was a
gallon sprayer that would hold all the mixture it also had a pump on
top, the small 1 pint sprayers work well also.
> > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it
> > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of
> > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1
> > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial
> > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites
> > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had
> > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my
> > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in
> > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring.
> >
> > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil
> > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from
> > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to
> > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that
> > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this
> > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely.
> >
> > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite
> >
> > Elroy
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From: "Chris Parker"
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On 21 Nov 1997 Elroy Rogers wrote ...
> I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle,
> then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of
> bars.
Elroy, this sounds very interesting. I'd like to understand a little more
re your mineral oil and where you get it from.
What, precisely, do you mean by Mineral oil ?
Do you have a particular type, trade name etc ?
Do you buy this from your pharmacy ?
I hope you can clarify this for me !!
--
Chris Parker
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From: "Pete A. Wolcott"
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Chris,
1 gallon 11lb., 13.2 oz average.
1lb having a volume of 10.78 fl oz
This makes your quarts close to 3 lbs
Pete
CC wrote in article
...
> Can anyone give me a decent estimate of how many pounds of honey make up
a
> gallon?
>
> We usually fill up quart jars, we don't have standard honey jars..
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From: "Pete A. Wolcott"
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P h i l wrote in article <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten>...
> Hello!
> I have a few questions I hope someone will answer.
>
> 1. A local honey seller at the farmers market made the remark that
> beeswax was actually pure pollen. I always thought beeswax was secreted
> from the abdomen in flakes, then used by the bees. WHat is the truth on
> wax? Snip
If you believe the adage you are what you eat, this could be true.
Otherwise
not the same.
Pete
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You could weigh an empty jar, fill and reweigh.
the accepted figure is 12lbs/gallon; however a very accurate scale will prove
it is a fraction of an ounce less and varies with the moisture content
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most candles purchased at market are purchased as decorations and are not
burned. When making candles I expect to burn in a new mold I always make a
couple (or more) with different wicks and test them. From your wick supplyer
ask about special wicks for voitives. They have a metal compontant that causes
a lot a wax to melt making a puddle of melted wax held by the container holding
the candel. Thats a wordy way a saying you need a fatter wick. I hope this is
heldful (micky)
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From: Paul Cauthorn
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Hi Doug,
I've been very pleased with Label Solutions in Eugene, OR. They do have
minimum orders, but their prices are great. They have a wide selection
of label stock and adhesives choices. Ask for Phil, 541-341-3992
Paul Cauthorn
DougB713 wrote:
>
> Need more labels. Who have you found (US) that has good quality, service and
> prices. Anyone printing their own?
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From: "Anthony N. Morgan"
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> Tim & Sue Ellen wrote:
>I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my
>hive for cold weather?
>
>Tim PA.
> Mushroom wrote:
>
> Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to
> gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out
> carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather.
>
Hi Tim,
1. Where you are located climatically is of prime importance wrt
winterising.
Here in mid-Norway we use insulated hives all the year round and have
not found it necessary to add further insulation for the winter.
walls: approx 1 inch of styropor or rockwool between two layers of wood;
4mm ply inner surface and 10mm pine panelling outer surface.
Roof: approx 2 inches styropor.
Floor: dead air insulation in a baraas ventilated floor.(with hive stand
under, *not* stood directly on the ground)
Hobby beekeeepers seldom palletise or group hives, simple rows are
normally used.
2. Wind is highly important even if your climate is relatively temperate
-- remember "chill factor"! Erect a wind break to shield your hives from
the prevailing winter wind.
This is particularly important if the wind blows directly towards the
hive entrance.
If the wind comes directly towards the end hive in a row such that this
acts as a windbreak for the rest of the row, then this hive should be
wrapped/insulated for added protection. Otherwise you will find that
this downwind hive uses more winter stores and can in the worst case
starve. A weekly heft of the hives ( or a more accurate weighing ) is
sensible so that one can immediately react if a hive uses an unexpected
amount of stores.
3. If your hives dont have brood in the winter (unlikely if you are
wondering about winterising) removing all the honey and feeding with
sugar syrup is sensible if, as here, honey sells for more than the price
of sugar (factor of 12 difference here!!)
Anthony N Morgan
Trondheim, Norway
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From: "Dr. Lalo"
>The reason why local honey on LI commands higher price is because people
>are willing to pay more for honey that has LOCAL pollens for their
>allergies. To them it makes no sense to buy honey from South Carolina
>when they are allergic to pollens from NY.
Right! --Which is why I'm not shipping to LI. The local market in SC takes
every bit I can produce.......
I guess that's a good marketing strategy for most beekeepers: use the
"local" angle. Then again, I find that some folks insist on honey within a
couple miles of their home. I suggest to these folks that they keep their own
bees........
Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA
The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html
Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles)
http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm
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In article <347DF8A5.13D1@iet.hist.no>,
anthony@iet.hist.no wrote:
>
> > Tim & Sue Ellen wrote:
> >I am new to bee keeping can anybody tell me the best way to winterize my
> >hive for cold weather?
> >
> >Tim PA.
>
> > Mushroom wrote:
> >
> > Where are you? For most temperate climates it is fine to allow the bees to
> > gather enough food for the winter on thier own.....In fact mine were out
> > carousing today in Indiana at 50ish weather.
> >
> Hi Tim,
>
> 1. Where you are located climatically is of prime importance wrt
> winterising.
> Here in mid-Norway we use insulated hives all the year round and have
> not found it necessary to add further insulation for the winter.
> ....
> Anthony N Morgan
> Trondheim, Norway
Can any of you help me out with a local bee problem???
I am not a bee keeper, but have bee problems at home.
Please help me decide what to do now.
I am located in attleboro ma. I have a 40 ft tree in front of house.
After leaves turned colors and dropped from tree in the fall, we noticed
a bee hive about 20 ft up in the tree. Dimensions: conical, about 1 ft
dia on top, point end down, about 1 ft height. During the summer, there
seemed to be a greater amount of bees in front of house vs rear of house
(victorian, 3 story, about 40 ft by 40 ft).
Questions:
1. How can I tell if bees still live in it?
2. How can I tell if bees are alive?
3. If nest is not used, will bees return there in next warmer season, or
build new?
4. I would like to take it down in one piece and possibly use it for
show and tell for children at school, but not knowing any of the above,
safety first....
5. My other option is to destroy it if it MAY be in use.
6. Weather now about 20-40 deg temp, light snow starting for the
season.
7. No bee activity noted at this time around house or hive.
Comments????
thanks for help..steved
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> >Can any of you help me out with a local bee problem???
> I am not a bee keeper, but have bee problems at home.
> Please help me decide what to do now.
>
> I am located in attleboro ma. I have a 40 ft tree in front of house.
> After leaves turned colors and dropped from tree in the fall, we noticed
> a bee hive about 20 ft up in the tree. Dimensions: conical, about 1 ft
> dia on top, point end down, about 1 ft height. During the summer, there
> seemed to be a greater amount of bees in front of house vs rear of house
> (victorian, 3 story, about 40 ft by 40 ft).
>
> Questions:
> 1. How can I tell if bees still live in it?
> 2. How can I tell if bees are alive?
> 3. If nest is not used, will bees return there in next warmer season, or
> build new?
> 4. I would like to take it down in one piece and possibly use it for
> show and tell for children at school, but not knowing any of the above,
> safety first....
> 5. My other option is to destroy it if it MAY be in use.
> 6. Weather now about 20-40 deg temp, light snow starting for the
> season.
> 7. No bee activity noted at this time around house or hive.
>
> Comments????
> thanks for help..steved
tvoivozhd>>>it isn't a bee hive it is a paper-wasp nest. After the first hard
freeze you can take it down and show it to the kids in school. All the wasps will
be elsewhere---mostly dead and the queens for the next generation in hibernation
(who will not occupy the old nest again in any event).
>
>
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hi
i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that
has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to
be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any
bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for
this? any help would be appreciated.
sko
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>Boy I am sure glad I don't use apistan and have no mites, I wouldn't
>want to be a criminal.
>Think mineral oil
>
>
ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted
pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number.
ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater
violation of the LAW than misuse of label.
Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is.
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From: tomas mozer
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Michael Simics wrote:
>
> I am a bee venom collector in Canada. For the first time this summer, I
> observed multiple lancets on a bee stinger. I observed this on seven or
> eight occasions, but was only able to preserve three of them. Two of them
> have two lancets connected to one venom sac and one with three lancets
> connected to one venom sac.
>
> Has anyone observed this, heard of it, have any explanation or references
> about this unusual phenomenon.
>
> Michael Simics
> http://www.direct.ca/beevenom/
seems some work was done in brazil on selecting for stinger mutants in
order to "tame" the africanized bee...there may be some connection to
what you observed, might try the brazilian bee-list posted a while back
on the bee-l itself.
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The Examiner Obituaries Friday, November 21, 1997: Blue Springs obituary
WALTER G. WELDON
Walter G. Weldon, 90, Independence, died Wednesday, Nov. 19, 1997, at the
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Lafayette, Calif., an d lived in Iowa and South Dakota before moving to
Independence 21 years ago. He was a beekeeper for 49 years, retiring in
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Dr.
The supers I have bought have all been 19 7/8 X 16 1/4 measured on the
outside and made of
3/4" pine. I have made some from 3/4" pine from Home Depot. If you find
7/8" lumber, you will
pay extra for this odd size.
Pete
Dr. Lalo wrote in article
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> I've purchaed a Hive body from Beterbee Co. It measures 7/8"..yet when
> I looked at suppliers (Home Depot, Pergament, etc....it is all 3/4".
>
> Where can I find 7/8" thick wood?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lalo
>
>
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>hi
>i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that
>has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to
>be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any
>bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for
>this? any help would be appreciated.
>sko
>
> "Sharon K. Ours"
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tomas mozer wrote in article
<347EEACA.6365@worldnet.att.net>...
> Michael Simics wrote:
> >
> > I am a bee venom collector in Canada. For the first time this summer, I
> > observed multiple lancets on a bee stinger. I observed this on seven or
> > eight occasions, but was only able to preserve three of them. Two of
them
> > have two lancets connected to one venom sac and one with three lancets
> > connected to one venom sac.
> >
> > Has anyone observed this, heard of it, have any explanation or
references
> > about this unusual phenomenon.
> >
> > Michael Simics
> > http://www.direct.ca/beevenom/
>
>
> seems some work was done in brazil on selecting for stinger mutants in
> order to "tame" the africanized bee...there may be some connection to
> what you observed, might try the brazilian bee-list posted a while back
> on the bee-l itself.
>
Hello Folks
Ken Lawrence here taking a punch at the above article.
Taken from one of my books, "THE SPELL OF THE HONEY BEE" by Kelsey 1945.
The sting and accessories form a complex structure. The shaft consists of
three parts: a dorsal sheath along which the two barbed lancets move is
seen first. This sheath is enlarged into a bulb at the body or anterior
end (the word anterior is used because the various parts of the body are
counted from the head) and continues into two arms which curve outwards.
the lancets slide in a grooved channel which passes along the sheath, past
the bulb and along the arms. It will be seen that the lancets pass along a
hollow tube formed by the sheath. The arms of the sheath are attached to
two plates which overlap the sides of the sting and attached to these are
the palpi or feelers which are white in colour. These palpi are covered
with very sensitive hairs and are used to discover whether the object to be
stung is capable of being penetrated by the sheath and the lancets.
Although the bee is so quick with her sting the palpi always investigate
the surface first.
The lancets are connected at their ends with triangular plates which are
again articulated with the quadrate plates. A pair of compound levers is
thus formed with which it is possible by suitable muscular effort to drive
the sheath into flesh of the victim and, furthermore, to extend the lancets
even farther into the wound made by the sheath. The poison passes down the
canal formed by the sheath and the lancets, and even when the sting is torn
from the body of the bee, poison continues to be pumped into the wound,
owing to the reflex action of the mechanism which accompanies it. Poison
is forced into the wound until the poison sac is emptied and at the same
time the sting continues to penetrate, as a result of the continued
muscular action, even deeper into the wound. The poison was once thought
to be simply formic acid, but it is now known that this is not the case.
there are two sources of poison. The main poison sac contains matter which
gives an acid reaction, but there is also a second gland which is said to
have an alkaline reaction. It would seem that the contents of the two are
mixed to form the venom which passes down the canal.
This book has pictures of the lancets spread out and also pulled together.
Maybe this will shed some light on the above posting.
Ken Lawrence
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hello again
Here is a JPEG picture of the lancets form the book "THE SPELL OF THE
HONEY BEE" .
Ken Lawrence
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Article 10404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
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From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: honey bee & multiple lancets
Date: 1 Dec 1997 11:38:34 -0500
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From KCLARK@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Mon Dec 1 11:27:47 1997
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:42:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Multiple lancets?
Hello Michael
(You mentioned having seen bees with 2 or 3 lancets).
I recall a brief article in one of the journals perhaps 10 years ago
(sorry to be so vague) (perhaps Bee World, and was there some connection
with Japan?).
The article described a mutation that resulted in lancets separated from
the stylet in worker A. mellifera and rendered the stingers
non-functional. The separated lancets impaired rather than enhanced the
insertion of the stylet, and prevented delivery of the venom.
The normal condition of a stinger is a rigid base (bulb) which is
elongated into a stiff shaft or stylet (U shaped in cross section) with
the venom sac at the base, plus 2 barbed lancets with a sliding
connection to the stylet (at the tips of the U) to form a tube. Imagine
3 parallel fingers
So, it's normal for a bee to have 2 lancets, but abnormal for the
lancets to be "not connected" to the stylet.
The article pointed out (or should have) that although the non-stinging
trait might be selected to create a non-stinging bee, such a bee would
be at a great disadvantage in trying to protect its nest.
Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist
B.C. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
1201 103 Ave
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From: "Thomas Jones"
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Subject: Bee Venom Therapy and Lower Back Problems
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My girlfriend (40 years old) has three herniated disks in her lower back
which cause no small amount of pain and discomfort in her legs - sciatic
nerve stress - and obviously her lower back. Much of the reading I've
done on this subject thusfar would suggest that relaxing the muscles in that
area helps to reduce the radiating (debilitating) pain.
Can someone here tell me whether or not bee stings in that region might
help to reduce the considerable discomfort she's in almost daily of late.
I'm looking toward your collective experience for serious advice and I've no
interest at all in bantering over medical qualifications whatsoever. I
also understand that bee stings won't remedy the herniated disks, but some
relief from the discomfort while she's recuperating would be a God send.
(I'm running out of recipes.)
Oddly enough, I've been interested in starting a hive all year and I've
been reading books left and right on the subject with tentative plans to
begin one this coming Spring in Oklahoma.
Should I discover here that bee venom therapy might help, I'll step up my
plans and seek out someone locally who might be willing to share his/ or her
experience with me in getting started. If nothing else, I'll seek out a
local beekeeper for bees, if it mught prove helpful.
I look forward to hearing from you all, and I do hope I haven't lauched
this group into a age old discussion that might detract from the normally
civil atmosphere here. I've been reading your messages for some time now
and I'm impressed with the comparative respect and professionalism that this
group shares with one another.
Thank you in advance.
Tom Jones
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
tjones@telepath.com
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From: bahaus@micron.net (bill ahaus)
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I'm a sideline beekeeper in Idaho in the USA, and I'm very interested
in contacting beekeepers in Argentina. I am interested in learning
about beekeeping in Argentina in general, and the condition of this
year's honey crop in particular. Puedo hablar espanol y me interesa
mucho todos detalles de apicultura y de la cultura argentina.
Gracias.
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From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel)
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In article I've been interested in starting a hive all year and I've
>been reading books left and right on the subject with tentative plans to
>begin one this coming Spring in Oklahoma.
> Should I discover here that bee venom therapy might help, I'll step up my
>plans and seek out someone locally who might be willing to share his/ or her
>experience with me in getting started.
For keeping bees peacefully, and since you are not looking for an abundance of
the "products of the hive" except for the bees themselves, you should check
out Jim Satterfield's info on building top bar hives. As far as whether it
would help your wife's condition to let a bee sting her, why don't you try it.
Take a mason jar with holes in it to your local honey farm and the beekeeper
will go out and get you a worker bee or two and then invert the jar over the
area of the damaged disks. This could be like that type of therapy where
irritants are injected near the area of a diseased body part on the theory
that when the blood and other bodily fluids rush to the area of the irritant
that these internal concentrations of blood, etc. will work to benefit the
diseased area at the same time. Have her sign a paper first which says: "I am
not subject to anaphylactic shock, and if I die from this experiment then on
behalf of my heirs I hereby release Tom Jones from liability."
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Thomas Jones wrote:
>
> My girlfriend (40 years old) has three herniated disks in her lower back (snip)
> Can someone here tell me whether or not bee stings in that region might
> help to reduce the considerable discomfort she's in almost daily of late.
>
> Tom Jones
> Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
> tjones@telepath.com
Good morning,
In 1984 I suffered a back injury (L4/L5 region) in a logging accident.
I suffered tremendous pain until 1988 when a chiropractor helped me to
relax and thereby relieve the pain. A year ago I started to sting
myself and two others for arthritis pain relief with extraordinary
success. Swelling was reduced and pain is now usually non-existent for
2-3 months at a time.
A month ago, I slipped and twisted my lower back, bringing back the
reminiscent, chronic pain of back injury. I asked my partner to sting
me on the two areas where I felt the most pain. An hour later the
previously pained area was very warm and felt totally relaxed, without
spasms and pain. The next morning the pain was gone and my life got
back to normal. To top this story off, it was only 18 months ago that
I abandoned my lifelong fear of stinging insects.
Venomously yours,
JZ
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From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira)
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miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) wrote:
>ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted
>pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number.
>ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater
>violation of the LAW than misuse of label.
>Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is.
Exactly what law or EPA requirement are you referring to? It is my
understanding that unrestricted, or uncontrolled substances are
completely legal to use for mite controls. Please, what regulation
supports such an absurd statement?
Regards,
John
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From: "RATIA Gilles"
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Subject: Re: Argentine Beekeepers?
Date: 2 Dec 1997 10:06:45 GMT
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You can find information about Argentina at the address below :
www.apiservices.com
The world's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery
Webmaster@apiservices.com
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From: honeybs@radix.net (Ferris)
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On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:48:17 +0100, maaijen
wrote:
>hi
>i am trying to find some way to get some bees for a friend of mine that
>has ms. she started the bee sting treatment this summer and it seems to
>be helping but now that winter is here. she has been unable to get any
>bees in this area. do you know anywhere that someone could get bees for
>this? any help would be appreciated.
>sko
>
> "Sharon K. Ours"
From: "Richard A. Selage Jr."
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Elroy Rogers wrote:
> Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the
> control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using
> mineral oil?
>
> I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle,
> then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of
> bars.
> I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it
> would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of
> samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1
> mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial
> operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites
> from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had
> been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my
> colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in
> california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring.
>
> I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil
> for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from
> is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to
> treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that
> everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this
> method I think the mites can be wiped out completely.
>
> I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite
>
> Elroy
I am a new beekeeper and wondering on your mix. How much mineral water and
how much sugar water are mixed together for you hive.
Thank you
Richard
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From: diverprog@aol.com (Diver Prog)
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Zac:
I know that there are two programs on the east coast also. One was run by a
college and the other was an independent. I had received some info from both of
them and will post that info in the very near future.
Eric Emrich
DiverProg@aol.com
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS
(Guaranteed in time for Christmas)
A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey
packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work
out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have
some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and
labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers
I know are always looking for something different to have and give as
bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is
interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my
efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you
decide if you want more.
The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story
about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie
back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five
colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you
will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This
is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores.
Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult.
I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one
of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a
Honey Pot also hand painted. The wood fan pulls have about a foot of
gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and
don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure.
You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at:
andy.nachbaur@calwet.net or send a check for $23.(US) each to:
** ($20.00 between now and CHRISTMAS to all my net friends) **
Andy Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635
Or call me at (209) 826-2261, Catch as catch can! NO RECORDER..
For more then one to any one address the postage will be $3.00.
Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions
about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me.
ttul, the OLD Drone
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From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira)
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djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote:
>I thought we went through this last year with respect to mint oil. I
>called EPA and FDA, and they had no problems with mint oil.
Thanks for reminding us. Some folks may mistakenly think that the
laws for restricted use chemicals apply to other, unrestricted,
products.
Crisco vegetable fat sure isn't labeled for use in bee hives either,
yet I have heard USDA bee researchers recomend it for use in bee
hives.
Interestingly, the Terramycin label does not describe the common
Crisco-sugar-Terramycin patty as a treatment option. It only lists
the dusting and syrup methods of application. The patty has also been
recommmended by USDA for foulbrood control.
Cheers,
John
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Hello folks, I'm a chemist thats just gotten into a propolis project and
am looking for 1/2 to 1 lb quantities of raw propolis from various regions
of the world. Email me at
LCWORKS@msn.com
and let me know if youve got some and how much it costs.
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From: "Carl Russell Goetz"
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Dr. Lalo wrote in message <34791840.4328@earthlink.net>...
>I've purchaed a Hive body from Beterbee Co. It measures 7/8"..yet when
>I looked at suppliers (Home Depot, Pergament, etc....it is all 3/4".
>
>Where can I find 7/8" thick wood?
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Lalo
>
typically, deciduous trees (in the USA) are sold, as hardwood lumber, =
utilizing the quarter inch scale(3/4,4/4,5/4, 8/4, etc...) 4/4=3D one =
inch; 8/4=3D two inches and so forth. Further, these woods, are graded, =
according to the number of defects, as judged by the sawyer, prior to =
being cut from a debarked log. Minimal surface defects, with no =
structural faults, and having a sawn board dimension( rough) of, at =
least 6 inches wide x 8 feet length, are grade as Firsts And Seconds =
(FAS.) FAS hardwood lumber is considered to be "premium" grade. If you =
can find a piece of FAS 4/4 poplar, with minimal cup and twist, then you =
may be able to thickness to 3/4 inch. I have, through many years =
experience, used 5/4 FAS red and white oak, to finish as cabinet grade =
7/8 inch, with an overall average thickness of 13/16 inch after final =
surfacing prior to finishing. FAS lumber commands the premium price. =
Try for a lower grade of lumber. US#1, or US#2 (common) have varying =
degrees of surface defects and minimal structural defects but shall be =
perfectly usable. I have used US#2 common for my workshop bench and =
drawers. Sometimes, lumberyards sell FAS "shorts" which are pieces <=3D =
four linear feet( in length) leftover from someone who only wanted like =
say 6 ft off a 10 ft FAS board? These shorts can sell for a substantial =
reduction.
Hope all this helps? Excuse the extended bandwidth...getting bored...I =
think I'll eat some honey?
CRG
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years experience, used 5/4 FAS red and white oak, to finish as cabinet =
grade 7/8=20
inch, with an overall average thickness of 13/16 inch after final =
surfacing=20
prior to finishing. FAS lumber commands the premium price. =
Try for a=20
lower grade of lumber. US#1, or US#2 (common) have varying degrees =
of=20
surface defects and minimal structural defects but shall be perfectly=20
usable. I have used US#2 common for my workshop bench and=20
drawers. Sometimes, lumberyards sell FAS "shorts" which =
are=20
pieces <=3D four linear feet( in length) leftover from someone who =
only wanted=20
like say 6 ft off a 10 ft FAS board? These shorts can sell for a=20
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From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom)
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In article <348580A5.76AA@fc.hp.com>, Mark Anspach wrote:
>Can anyone refer me to a source of Orchard Mason Bees?
>The only place I know of is Knox Cellars and their
>prices are kind of high to me. Specifically, I
>am looking for the species Osmia Lignaria or
>Osmia Cornifrons.
>
>Mark
>anspach@fc.hp.com
Mark although they do not list which flavour of Mason bee they sell,
Territorial Seed Company at 541-942-9547 ( http://www.territorial-seed.com
They have bees and supplies, Spring Shipped bees are $12.95 for 15 and 30 for
$23.95. I do not know if shipping is included.
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From: John Brackman
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David J Trickett wrote:
>
> I thought we went through this last year with respect to mint oil. I
> called EPA and FDA, and they had no problems with mint oil. I don't
> see how there could be a problem with mineral oil considering that it
> is among other things a food-grade machinery lubricant (e.g., for
> extractor bearings).
>
> Someone out there can probably better elaborate, but my recollection is
> that mint oils are on an actual Federal Register list exempting them
> or legitmizing them as "inactive" ingredients for pesticides.
>
> I'm not sure if mineral oil is too, but I have a very difficult time
> seeing how using it in this application could be a problem...
> Especially in comparison to the alternative...
>
> My two cents...
>
> Dave Trickett
>
> : ANYTHING added to a colony which in the eyes of the beholder kills an unwanted
> : pest must be packaged and labeled as such with an EPA registration number.
> : ANYTHING placed into a colony without such EPA registration is in greater
> : violation of the LAW than misuse of label.
> : Thinking Mineral oil is not criminal, DOING it is.
>
> --
Sure would like a cite--PL or FCR
John
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From: "Harry Goudie"
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Harry> > As far as I can see the
> >"Thinking" beekeepers in Europe are using the drone brood trap method
for
> >the control of Varroa and if I get varroa mites then this will be my
> >method.
>
>
>
Paul> Perhaps you would like to explain *YOUR* "thinking" behind this
> statement, Harry.
Harry: My thinking about this is:- Apistan and in your case Bayvarol are
toxic substances which have to be left in the hive for periods of 6 weeks.
They are toxic substances which are open to misuse. They are toxic
substances which have to be used every year (perhaps twice a year or more!)
I believe that there is evidence that residual traces of these chemicals
have been found in wax and I don't think it is a great leap of the
imagination to suppose that they will also be found in honey. It only has
to appear in the "Sun", or some equally intellectual newspaper, that
beekeepers are putting poisonous substances into their hives for honey
sales to plummet similar to egg sales a few years ago and beef sales at
present. Let us hope and pray that no-one actually becomes ill!! Many
people who eat honey do so in the belief that it does them good (Was it
Winnie the Poo who had hot hubby and lebon for his cold!) I don't think
it is a good idea to sell contaminated products to frail people. Would
you spread you toast with Bayvarol?? I don't think so!
Drone trapping on the other hand uses no chemicals, it is very cheap
(Apistan and Bayvarol are very expensive), it is easy to operate and,
according to my sources, fairly effective. If the chemical controls were
100 per cent effective then it would be ok but because they have to be used
continuously then I think that they are too dangerous.
I don't have any statistics for beekeeping in Europe but of the four
beekeepers I know, two in Germany use drone trapping, one in Holland uses
drone trapping and one in Sweden who uses Fromic acid. None of these use
Apistan although I believe it is licensed for use in Europe
--
Harry
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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In article <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net>,
Ed Craft wrote:
> I may have jumped the gun. Maybe there is a place where you can
> keep bees and not have to treat for any diseases. What I should have
> said was if I don't treat my bees they will die. They die out with
> treatment. I wish I was in that "place". My apologies.
If you are in the USA, I bet you have varroa. Sorry, but those little guys
are very good parasites.
Adam
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From: danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny Bowers)
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Hi,
I used this technique with a few slight modifications.
I drilled a hole in the side of a super. One the inside, I nailed a
bee escape (a metal device with a hole and little metal springs
that a bee can push through to get out, but they can not return)
A cone works OK, but bee escapes are cheap.
I secured a little screen formed like a funnel (8 to 12 inches long, 4
inches wide at one end and a half inch at the other) to the super over
the hole on the outside of the super, with the wide part away from the
super.
______________________ < Cover
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wrote:
> So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and
> XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just
> what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top,
> bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees,
> right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you
> fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the
> opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come
> back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes
> about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the
> queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill
> her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the
> bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method.
Article 10438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
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I haven't had to do this for years, and I'm not sure what to do. El Nino
has made it possible for the bees to be much more active this winter,
thus depleting their stores more rapidly. What to do? Feed a 2part
sugar, 1 part water solution?
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Where are you, Dan? In some climates you can feed sugar syrup in winter.
In places where it is cold and snowy, and the bees are confined for long
periods, dry sugar or candy can be fed to advantage.
In article <348EC945.258C1AB8@foxinternet.net>, Dan Kiehnle
wrote:
> I haven't had to do this for years, and I'm not sure what to do. El Nino
> has made it possible for the bees to be much more active this winter,
> thus depleting their stores more rapidly. What to do? Feed a 2part
> sugar, 1 part water solution?
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From: mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321)
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In many areas a beekeeper can be found through a local bee club, beekeeping
supply company, or the yellow pages that will be happy to supply bees to
patients year around for free. We are interested in results. In this area
there is no shortage of willing beekeepers if you are willing to pick them up
at his place. Our problem is to who can we refer persons looking for
treatment. We as beekeepers are not liable for what you do with the bees we
give you for free, but are not versed in treatment. Few beekeepers get cronic
painful conditions that bee sting therapy would help.
micky
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In article <19971211033800.WAA22166@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mlee4321@aol.com (MLee4321) wrote:
Micky: In case you didn't know it, which you probably do, but in case you
don't, your name Mlee is like the French word Miel for honey.
Article 10442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
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Any master beekeepers in Albuquerque area here?
--
Phil
ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player
in a whorehouse.
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From: Elroy Rogers
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Peter Amschel wrote:
>
> In article
> > The only thing it will increase is the chance that you won't have
> > any bees next year.
> > Ed
>
> I'm not so sure, Ed. I have not treated my top bar hive this year, not even
> with mineral oil, and it is a real strong hive. I read an article in ABJ by
> Monsieur Steve Faber and he recommended against using any treatments one time,
> if I recal correctly.
If you decide not to treat your colonies for mites, your decision should
be based on a fact that you know your bees don't have mites. An infested
colony can look strong but it can collapse really fast, then bees will
drift to your neighbors colonies infesting theirs with a lot of mites
all at once causing their colony to collapse.
Be a good beekeeper neighbor test for mites, it's easy to do an ether
roll. Just catch some bees from the brood chamber area in a jar. to do
the test spray a small amount of starting fluid in the jar shake
vigorously then hold the jar up to the light turn slowly mites will
appear on the sides of the jar. If you caught around a 100 bees and have
10 mites your colonies is in need for treatment, anything over 6% is
bad.
If you did the test and have no mites and did not treat your colonies
then you may have the one colony everyone is looking for, which is able
to defend themselve against mites with no treatment.
Help your neighbor beekeeper and test and treat for mites.
Elroy
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Hi Y'all,
I am looking for unpasturied honey for a reasonable price (by the gallon)
in the Austin Texas area only.
Thanks!
Kat
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From: Kathy Hough
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Mike,
Two things:
One is that in my limited observations, there seems to be a two-three
year cycle for varroa mites. When we were first keeping bees and were
told of these mites that were coming and/or may have arrived in our
area, the advice was to treat anyway, what could it hurt. And since
fluvalinate is a pyrethroid and so not as *scary* to us, we did the
strips the first year. Then we began to formulate our own theories about
mites, resistance, apistan vs. miticur, horror stories about miticur and
decided to not medicate. That year we also began doing increases. Long
story short--- hives which hadn't been *stripped* for two seasons, died
third season (late fall). Increases that were started one year later
and also not *stripped*, died one year later ('cuz, no, we hadn't
learned our lesson). After talking to a number of folks who were doing
mite research at that time, I was left with the impression that this
"cycle" had been observed by many others.
Summary: mites won't kill your bees right away, so you (like we did)
may get to fool yourself into believing things that aren't necessarily
true.
Second thing:
Don't know where you live. If in the U.S. it would surprise me if you
are not near any highways or farms? Bees are not stationary.. they get
moved in and out of crops by beekeepers all the time. I also don't know
how you can be positive that there are no bees being kept on a
semi-permanent basis for 20 miles. Even in areas where beekeepers are
*supposed* to register, many don't.. some out of ignorance of the law
and others because they disagree with it.
I really hope that you are in a truly isolated area and/or that you have
some amazing bees that are able to thwart both these two evil mites. Tho
I'll be really surprised if you are.
Kathy
> Mystang writes: >
> Having kept bees two years.
> > And not treating my hives.
> > Will this increase the price of my honey?
> > My 10 hives are 20 miles from the nearest beekeeper and I do not use
> any
> > medication of any kind.
> > All new equipment also.
> > Any purer honey would be from a beetree.
> >
> > Thanx in advance.
> > Mike
>
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Hi everybody. Given the poor response to my previous posting entitled
"looking for propolis samples", I thought I'd post it another way!
Seriously, Isnt there anybody out there that can help this chemist get
ahold of raw propolis from various regions around the USA and World for my
research?
email me at LCWORKS@msn.com
Thanks,
Dan
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A warmish day appeared in Indiana. I couldn't resist.
You see, the weather has been very mild here in my area and I knew the bees
had been more active than usual.
I lost three more hives ( out of 7 left ). I see emergency queen cells in all
of them. Darn.
The story starts this spring. I ordered 12 3lb packages from Kelley, who
get's them from Hardeman. I hived them late april. By end of may 3 hives were
dead and laying queens were in 2 others. 3 others were drone layers.
The remaining 7 were solid.
As I mentioned 3 of those are gone. 2 of them still had honey in them. The
3rd was a morass of wax worm...of which I took great pleasure in destroying
each one as my hive took took out my frustration. :)
I took NO honey this year on these 7 hives.
All hives were treated with Apistan, Grease patties with Terrimycin
(sp..sorry ), and fumidil-b fed twice ( spring and fall).
As you may have guessed, my OTHER (5) hives suffered no loss. Same yard, same
care. Year 2. AND I have changed supplier. ( Let's see what Norman's Bees are
like).
I am still inexperenced enough to miss the obvious, but as over a year ago
when I asked for help here I was laughed at in emails when I expressed open
ignorance, I have been remiss in sharing with those who tolerate asses better
than I. :)
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From: Ladislao Guerra
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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The other day, we discussed in our local bee club about what may happen
if somebody came to our bee yard and got stung by a bee and then they
subsequently sued for medical expenses and bodily injury. What could we
do about liability insurance?
One member suggested that we are already covered by homeowner's
insurance. Others weren't sure. So, I contacted my insurance company
and related the problem to the agent. She had absolutely no idea about
this. She said she would discuss it with her supervisor and get back to
me.
Two days later, the agent called back and said that "as long as I
confine my bees to my yard and they don't bother the neighbors or go
wandering off", my policy would cover me (this is no joke...I'm not
making this stuff up...that is what they really said ;>!).
I explained that I had (and nobody has) no control of where bees
go..that bees are wild animals from which we have learned to steal
honey, wax, and propolis. I said that, If I confine my bees they will
not be able to gather nectar and pollen and that they would die!
There was a long pause on the phone then "...oh!". The agent said she
would have to consult the legal department and get back to me.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability
insurance?
If so, drop me an e-line.
Thanks,
Lalo
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From: Kathy Hough
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Subject: Re: Liability Insurance for bee stings
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:10:53 -0500
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Hi Ladislao,
Ladislao Guerra wrote:
> The other day, we discussed in our local bee club about what may
> happen
> if somebody came to our bee yard and got stung by a bee and then they
> subsequently sued for medical expenses and bodily injury. What could
> we
> do about liability insurance?
>
My insurance agent told me that unless a homeowners policy *specifically
excludes* bodily injury done to a visitor by a pet &/or livestock then a
person would be covered by their homeowners insurance policy. He
further said that it is possible that some of the national companies may
cancel you after a stinging incident comes to claim, but that these
companies may just as easily cancel you for any claim, like an accident
on ice, or with a tree branch, etc. Someone who is at all concerned or
is looking to "hold harmless" the owner of the property that their bees
are on (if not their own) need only post a sign to the effect of
"DANGER Honeybees, Stay away (or do not disturb, etc.).
> One member suggested that we are already covered by homeowner's
> insurance. Others weren't sure. So, I contacted my insurance company
>
> and related the problem to the agent. She had absolutely no idea
> about
> this. She said she would discuss it with her supervisor and get back
> to
> me.
>
>
Your agent doesn't sound like she has very good resources.
Understanding that she is accustomed to handling predominately canned
suburban homeowners policies out there on Long Island, though, she could
be forgiven. Around here we have a company called Farm Family Insurance
that caters predominately to farmers and small farm-related businesses.
When we first got started keeping bees, we insured through them and were
completely have been covered for any and all bee-related incidents, on
or off our property ever since. This policy also gave us product
liability insurance (up to ~40 K gross sales) to the policy limit (which
for us at the time was 1 million).
As the business has grown, we needed specific policies for it and I am
no longer aware of the product liability stuff that may or may not still
be on our homeowners, but the bee stuff still is.
Also, at several of the national beekeeping meetings there have been
companies offering liability insurance policies (supposedly)
specifically tailored for beekeepers. I don't remembe any of the
company names 'cuz we didn't need any insurance. Anybody else with one
of those guys?
> Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability
> insurance?
> insurance?
>
> If so, drop me an e-line.
>
OK
> Thanks,
>
> Lalo
Kathy (who's not an insurance agent but who asks tons of questions and
thinks that she remembers most of the answers)
Article 10450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
From: "Chip McCurdy"
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Hi All,
I've just published my first attempt at creating a Web Page on Beekeeping.
Please take a look at it and tell me what y'all think. I've included some
pictures of our exhibit at the Georgia National Fair. Any input, ideas and
criticism will be welcome; I can take it...
Thanks,
Chip
Here it is... http://www.hom.net/~beeman
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Chip McCurdy
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[Beeman@hom.net]
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From: Mystang
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Adam Finkelstein wrote:
>
> In article <66fhe5$n1n$1@comet2.magicnet.net>,
> Ed Craft wrote:
>
> > I may have jumped the gun. Maybe there is a place where you can
> > keep bees and not have to treat for any diseases. What I should have
> > said was if I don't treat my bees they will die. They die out with
> > treatment. I wish I was in that "place". My apologies.
>
> If you are in the USA, I bet you have varroa. Sorry, but those little guys
> are very good parasites.
>
> Adam
>
> --
> _________________
> Adam Finkelstein
> adamf@vt.edu
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamfI have no neighboring hives.
The bees are strong.
And I'm in north eastern Pennsylvania.
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From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel)
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>If you did the test and have no mites and did not treat your colonies
>then you may have the one colony everyone is looking for, which is able
>to defend themselve against mites with no treatment.
>
> Help your neighbor beekeeper and test and treat for mites.
>
>Elroy
Elroy: Now I don't know whether to sh** or go blind! It is cold out here today
and the hive is all nicely stuck closed with bee glue and I don't want to
disturb them nor do I want to do a test which would kill multiple bees.
Couldn't I just put waxed paper on the bottom of the top bar hive and then
pull it out and examine later?
Thanks for your message.
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From: Tom Speight
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In article <348F8126.5853@ibm.net>, Phil writes
>Phil
>ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player
>in a whorehouse.
Did she see you there? 8-)
--
Tom
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From: Tom Speight
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In article <34908517.180E@earthlink.net>, Ladislao Guerra
writes
>Has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone know about liability
>insurance?
Most Home Insurance Policies in the UK do NOT cover the householder.
When renewing my policy I always ask but have not yet found one that
does, although I believe there are some - probably the ones that cover
special groups like police, civil cervants or some such.
However, membership of the BBKA either as an individual member or
through branch membership gives cover to £2,000,000 (2 million pounds)
in any one claim.
--
Tom
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Furness BKA newsletter
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Tom Speight wrote:
>
> In article <348F8126.5853@ibm.net>, Phil writes
> >Phil
> >ComputerPerson, but don't tell my mother, she thinks I'm a piano player
> >in a whorehouse.
> Did she see you there? 8-)
> --
> Tom
No, But I saw your mother there..... ;-p
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From: Mark Anspach
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A few days ago, I requested information about
sources of Orchard Mason Bees. The following
web page is very useful for information
concerning these bees and provides a list of
suppliers... just in case anyone is interested.
http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/solitary.htm
Happy polinating,
Mark
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uncapping machine...
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>advise where I can obtain a candle mold?
Where in the world are you?
--
Alan
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Hi John,
As you guessed you HAVE to get that super/ Q excluder off. The
bees will not abandon the queen in the lower part of the hive and the
natural convection of that upper space saps the warmth from the cluster.
There will be no brood in the hive. Just pick as warm a day as practical
and do it quickly. Fit a clearer board and then a few days later take
off that super. Leave the clearer board on as a crown board until the
spring.
If you suspect that the food reserves in the brood chamber are low you
will have to feed a strong syrup or candy.
Best wishes
Graham
Graham Law
Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London)
England
"I see no future in the cathode ray tube"
John Logggie Baird 1928
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From: LALLEMENT Pascal 108006
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Subject: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere)
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Hello.
This message is the second call for a discussion about the
creation of a newsgroup in french about fr.rec.apiculture .
All answers to this message are sent directly to the french newsgroup
fr.usenet.forums.evolution.
If you speak french, you may be interested in participating.
If not, sorry for the disturbance.
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Bonjour,
Ce message est le second appel à discussion en vue de la création du
forum fr.rec.apiculture.
Cet appel est en accord avec le guide pour la création de groupes et
a été posté dans les forums suivants :
fr.usenet.forums.annonces
fr.usenet.forums.evolution (vers lequel est positionné le "
suivi à ")
fr.rec.divers
fr.rec.jardinage
sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Ce n'est pas un appel à voter. Ne pas voter pour le moment.
Tous les messages de discussion doivent être postés exclusivement dans
, forum dédié à la discussion de
propositions de nouveaux forums de discussions.
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CHARTE DU FORUM
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NOM : fr.rec.apiculture
STATUT : Non-Modéré
DESCRIPTION : Forum sur l'apiculture.
LANGUE : français
OBJET :
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Le but de ce forum est de permettre aux personnes intéressées de
discuter d'apiculture et d'échanger des informations à ce sujet.
Ce forum concerne la vie des abeilles, leurs parasites, leurs maladies,
les produits de la ruche, leur transformation, leur commercialisation et
les techniques apicoles.
Ce forum concerne l'apiculture sédentaire ou nomade.
Voici une liste non exhaustive de thèmes pertinents :
- Biologie des abeilles (les races, nutrition, la colonie, etc.) ;
- Biologie appliquée (Pollinisation, sélection, maladies, parasites,
etc.) ;
- Botanique apicole ;
- Economie et législation (organisations apicoles, législation, etc.);
- Histoire de l'apiculture ;
- Conduite du rucher (essaimage naturel ou artificiel, élevage des
reines, hivernage, réunion de colonies, etc.) ;
- Produits de la ruche (miel, pollen, gelée royale, propolis, etc.) ;
- Matériel (ruches, miellerie, etc.), etc.
Les petites annonces de vente, d'achat sont acceptées à condition
qu'elles ne soient pas répétées et qu'elles fassent l'objet d'un postage
croisé avec le groupe dédié a ce sujet :
RAISON :
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L'apiculture est très populaires en France et dans les pays de langue
francophone. Un forum sur le sujet permettrait de rassembler toutes les
personnes intéressées.
Il existe plusieurs mailing list en français sur ce sujet. Elles sont
assez actives et reçoivent environ une 10aine de messages par
jour. Toutefois, la solution des mailing list est assez contraignante et
un groupe de news serait plus adapté.
Il existe un forum très actif en langue anglaise sur ce sujet
sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Un forum en langue française serait un plus
pour la communauté francophone des apiculteurs.
QUELQUES RAPPELS DE BON USAGE :
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Au cas où un article aurait sa place sur plusieurs forums, il est
possible de faire un postage croisé dans ces forums, à condition de ne
pas en abuser et de positionner la suite du message (champ
"Followup-to:") sur un seul forum.
Les messages d'annonces de site Web concernant l'objet du forum sont
acceptés, à condition qu'ils ne soient pas répétés et qu'ils fassent
l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le forum dédié à ce sujet :
(ce forum étant modéré,
consultez sa charte avant de poster).
Les règles en usage dans la hiérarchie fr s'appliquent évidemment à ce
forum, on rappellera en particulier que :
- ce forum est d'expression francophone, il n'est pas interdit de
doubler une contribution dans une autre langue, néanmoins, l'usage
exclusif de l'anglais, par exemple, risque de se voir considéré
comme particulièrement inconvenant.
- les fichiers binaires, y compris les images, y sont interdits,
et qu'on leur préférera une référence de page Web ou de site FTP,
- que les annonces commerciales et autres "Make Money Fast" y sont
également interdits, et que leurs auteurs risquent le mépris de
tous les lecteurs.
- que pour préserver la qualité des échanges de ce groupe, on
s'abstiendra de répondre aux "Make money Fast".
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FIN DE LA CHARTE
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RAPPEL :
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La discussion est ouverte pour une période maximale de 30 jours. Elle
peut, bien entendu, se finir avant cette date si un consensus est dégagé
rapidement (pour ou contre).
Dans le cas où un consensus sur l'utilité et la charte de ce forum
apparaîtrait, un appel à voter sera posté, dans lequel seront précisées
les modalités de vote.
Article 10549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.evolution,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,news.groups
Subject: Re: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere)
Date: 22 Dec 1997 13:29:16 GMT
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In article ,
LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 wrote:
>-----------------
>Hello.
>This message is the second call for a discussion about the
>creation of a newsgroup in french about fr.rec.apiculture .
>All answers to this message are sent directly to the french newsgroup
>fr.usenet.forums.evolution.
>If you speak french, you may be interested in participating.
>If not, sorry for the disturbance.
Hummm. So is there a French internet too?
Adam
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Article 10550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
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From: "Richard Hill"
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Subject: Busy buzzin' the web honey!
Date: 22 Dec 1997 13:48:48 GMT
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The above article which looks at apiculture on the internet was published
in Bee World recently.
Reprints are available free from the author. Please send a stamped
self-addressed envelope:-
Richard Hill
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Please mark your envelope 'Bee World'
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From: kate@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Kate Wrightson)
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Subject: Re: [AAD 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere)
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In article <67lpvc$qbu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>,
Adam Finkelstein wrote:
>Hummm. So is there a French internet too?
No. There is a fr.* hierarchy which contains French-language groups,
which is most widely available in France but is available to any news
server in the world which can obtain a feed to carry it.
fr.* is similar to de.*, fj.*, and es.*, which are all non-English
language hierarchies and may carry groups named identically to those in
the Big 8, or groups of interest only to that hierarchy's readers.
Posts in these groups are transmitted in the same way as posts in Big 8
or alt.* or us.* or net.*; that is, there is no separate "French
internet" or German or Japanese or Spanish internet. There are merely
hierarchies with differing rules and requirements, using the global
network to transmit posts.
Follow-ups set to news.admin.hierarchies.
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Article 10552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping:
From: "Midnite"
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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Greetings!
ooops..the url is located below my address>www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee
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P.O. Box 26
Well,Maine 04090-0026
www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee
>> Greetings!
>> I have the privilege to "add" George Imirie's articles on my web site.
>> George is a Master Beekeeper from the State of Maryland and has been a
>> beekeeper for approx. 60 years..today's feature is about "Lousy
Bees"..read
>> and learn!(IMHO) :)..article located at the beelinks page. ENJOY!!!!!
>> Midnitebee(Herb)
>>
>> --
>> Holly-B Apiary
>> P.O. Box 26
>> Well,Maine 04090-0026
>> www.cybertours.com
>
>
>But a URL where to find your site would help.....