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Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

Just think how much food we eat with high fructose corn syrup in it. Kind of scary isn't. The next generation will be a bunch of babbling idiots that wont be able to find there way home. Maybe this is what they want in Washington. Sorry I do not want to get into politics.

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

This study was extensively discussed on all the major bee forums and has the reputation of being one of the worst studies ever done. If you read the actual study you will see that it does not support the claims it makes.

Many beekeepers here and on other forums pointed out the numerous flaws. For a thorough review, see randy Oliver's comments at www.scientificbeekeeping.com.

Reading the actual study made me even more uncomfortable accepting third part reports as truth on any subject than I already was.

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

Just finished reading Randy Oliver's commentery on the study and would say this kind of leads us back to ground zero. Would love to see a debate between both parties. That would be an open debate with facts and not egos so the truth will begin to come into full light.

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

>What's more "scary" about eating high fructose corn syrup as compared to honey?

Well, first it has Bt toxin in it, which has not been in the human diet in large amounts before. Then it has neonics in it, which, once they bind to your neurons, they never let go, then we have a product that is not allowed in food in the rest of the world because they don't think it's fit for human consumption...

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

>Michael Bush did not provide evidence that high fructose corn syrup "has Bt toxin in it" and "has neonics in it."

The Bt toxin has been spliced into the genetic code of the corn and is in every cell of the plant. I know of no process that will remove it entirely. It is harmless to bees and they have a short life anyway, so who knows what "long term" effects there are. My concern is with humans who will live 80 years or more. No one knows the long term effects of that. As for neonics it's similar (but slightly different). It is not in the genes, but it does permeate the entire plant. Tell me how they refine that out? I don't believe they can. Again, my concern is not for the bees, but for the humans. Neonics bond to the neuron receptors and unlike the acetyl choline that usually bonds there and lets go, it remains and does not clear out, so it permanently disables that neuron...

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

Originally Posted by Michael Bush

The Bt toxin has been spliced into the genetic code of the corn and is in every cell of the plant. I know of no process that will remove it entirely... so who knows what "long term" effects there are. My concern is with humans who will live 80 years or more. No one knows the long term effects of that.

"The National Academy of Sciences and other leading research institutions agree that GE foods present no unique risks, or greater risks, than non-GE foods. In fact, because GE foods are intensively tested for safety while most other foods are not, GE foods are probably safer than most foods on the market today."

"Genetically-engineered foods are rigorously tested before marketing. These tests are designed to ensure there are no adverse effects on human health now or in the future. There is no credible scientific evidence that they cause allergies or that they would have any long-term health effects."

Wayne Parrott Professor in the Department of Crop and Soil Sciences College of Agricultural & Environmental Sciences University of Georgia:

"GE sweet corn is every bit as safe as conventional sweet corn. It uses a protein that has been used in agriculture since 1937. Not only does it have a history of safe use, it has been extensively tested byHealthCanada, the European Food Safety Authority, the Korean FDA, Food Standards Australia & New Zealand, & the Japan Food Safety Commission, among others. All reports to the contrary do not hold up under close inspection."

Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

>"Genetically-engineered foods are rigorously tested before marketing. These tests are designed to ensure there are no adverse effects on human health now or in the future. There is no credible scientific evidence that they cause allergies or that they would have any long-term health effects."

It is shear arrogance to think we can know the "long-term health effects" of something that has only been in the human diet in these amounts for the short term. You only find out "long term" effects after the "long term".