Arrests

• A man was arrested in Ennerdale Close, Warndon, on suspicion of burglary.
• A male youth was arrested in Wasdale Court, Warndon, on suspicion of burglary.
• A man was arrested in Henwick Road, St John’s, on suspicion of theft.
• A man and a woman were detained in Elgar Avenue, Malvern, on suspicion of possession with intent to supply cannabis and the production of cannabis.
• Two men were arrested in Langdale Drive, Warndon, on suspicion of theft from a car.
• A man was arrested in Lansdowne Road, Worcester, on suspicion of possession of a class A drug.
• A man was arrested in Foregate Street, Worcester, on suspicion of fraud.
• A man was arrested in London Road, Worcester, on suspicion of criminal damage.

Comments

dulon
10:13am Tue 13 Dec 11

I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.

I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.dulon

I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.

Score: 0

CJH
10:38am Tue 13 Dec 11

Dulon, you are looking at this with blinkers on. You may think that drugs are less important than metal thieves, but where do you think the money comes from to support most drug habits - OTHER CRIME! Burglaries, shoplifting, mugging - drugs generate a whole list of innocent victims and they need to be considered as a priority.

Dulon, you are looking at this with blinkers on. You may think that drugs are less important than metal thieves, but where do you think the money comes from to support most drug habits - OTHER CRIME! Burglaries, shoplifting, mugging - drugs generate a whole list of innocent victims and they need to be considered as a priority.CJH

Dulon, you are looking at this with blinkers on. You may think that drugs are less important than metal thieves, but where do you think the money comes from to support most drug habits - OTHER CRIME! Burglaries, shoplifting, mugging - drugs generate a whole list of innocent victims and they need to be considered as a priority.

Score: 0

varien
11:27am Tue 13 Dec 11

Come on Peter-Reynolds let's hear what you have to say on this one"!

Come on Peter-Reynolds let's hear what you have to say on this one"!varien

Come on Peter-Reynolds let's hear what you have to say on this one"!

Score: 0

iamconcernedbythis
11:53am Tue 13 Dec 11

"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”

Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.

"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”
Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.iamconcernedbythis

"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”

Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.

Score: 1

West Mercia Police
12:02pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Dulon, we have carried out a number of operations specifically targeting metal theft in recent months:

We continue to look at this area of criminality, though this is not the focus of this particular initiative.

Dulon, we have carried out a number of operations specifically targeting metal theft in recent months:
http://www.westmerci
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http://www.westmerci
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We continue to look at this area of criminality, though this is not the focus of this particular initiative.West Mercia Police

Dulon, we have carried out a number of operations specifically targeting metal theft in recent months:

We continue to look at this area of criminality, though this is not the focus of this particular initiative.

Score: 0

CJH
12:12pm Tue 13 Dec 11

iamconcernedbythis, what the heck planet are you on? I'm guessing the planet denial.

iamconcernedbythis, what the heck planet are you on? I'm guessing the planet denial.CJH

iamconcernedbythis, what the heck planet are you on? I'm guessing the planet denial.

Score: -1

Vergil
12:28pm Tue 13 Dec 11

iamconcernedbythis wrote…

"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”

Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.

You serious?
You make it sound as though the police just picked on any old random door they could find, put it in and with a stroke of luck they happened to find some drugs!
This address would've no doubt been targeted for a reason and more than likely based on intelligence or information received from the likes of you and I (members of public in case you're wondering).
I doubt the police knew exactly what they were going to find, whether it be one small joint or a loft laden with cannabis plants!
Why do you label the occupants as victims? Do you know them? Do you know their history? Do you know how hard they work for a living to be entitled to wind down with a joint or two for "personal use"?
I'm also confused as to why you think this is ill treatment by the police and doing their job (by public consent) should be made illegal? What a bizarre thought!

[quote][p][bold]iamconcernedbythis[/bold] wrote:
"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”
Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.[/p][/quote]You serious?
You make it sound as though the police just picked on any old random door they could find, put it in and with a stroke of luck they happened to find some drugs!
This address would've no doubt been targeted for a reason and more than likely based on intelligence or information received from the likes of you and I (members of public in case you're wondering).
I doubt the police knew exactly what they were going to find, whether it be one small joint or a loft laden with cannabis plants!
Why do you label the occupants as victims? Do you know them? Do you know their history? Do you know how hard they work for a living to be entitled to wind down with a joint or two for "personal use"?
I'm also confused as to why you think this is ill treatment by the police and doing their job (by public consent) should be made illegal? What a bizarre thought!Vergil

iamconcernedbythis wrote…

"Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis....All in all, it’s a good result.”

Was it a good result because the door went in with two swings of the hammer instead of three swings or because they arrested two people instead of one person ? It can't be deemed a good result due to the amount of criminal activity that was uncovered at those premises as these two people are obviously not in it for the money, in which case they should be let off for having a small amount of personal in there possession. That is the outcome that any sensible law enforcement agency would have reached on such an occassion. Even though I do not know these two unfortunate victims, I am sure that this incident has done them more harm than the plants growing in there ward drobe could ever do. Why is this treatment of members of the public by police acceptable ? It should not be acceptable, it should be against the law.

You serious?
You make it sound as though the police just picked on any old random door they could find, put it in and with a stroke of luck they happened to find some drugs!
This address would've no doubt been targeted for a reason and more than likely based on intelligence or information received from the likes of you and I (members of public in case you're wondering).
I doubt the police knew exactly what they were going to find, whether it be one small joint or a loft laden with cannabis plants!
Why do you label the occupants as victims? Do you know them? Do you know their history? Do you know how hard they work for a living to be entitled to wind down with a joint or two for "personal use"?
I'm also confused as to why you think this is ill treatment by the police and doing their job (by public consent) should be made illegal? What a bizarre thought!

Score: -1

handytrim
12:42pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis.

A man and a woman were arrested on suspicion of cultivating cannabis and possession of cannabis.

Hardly the bust of the century and not really worth bragging about. I'd say more of a waste of my tax money. How about focusing on the bigger gang operated well organised grow operations that produce the majority of cannabis. It is only a matter of time before we fall in-line with the rest of Europe (even though we seem to not want to fully join them) and the rest of the world and change our outdated law in regards to cannabis as what we have in place at present is ludicrously expensive and a most painfully obvious failure where around 3 tonnes of cannabis is consumed every day yet police think by busting people growing a couple of plants is having any kind of impact.

I'm all for supporting the police tackling REAL crime and agree that there is a link between the mass production of cannabis and other criminal activity. Which is why myself and it would appear the majority of people, including many within the police force itself, agree that prohibition does nothing more than increase criminal activity.

There are those who oppose this on morale grounds, but how morale is it to allow the persecution of those who use cannabis as a legitimate, often suggested by a GP, medicine. What right do you have to pass judgement on often painfully ill people? You might not agree with allowing another vice into society. But what you fail to understand is that it is ALREADY here and the only people who truly benefit from its production and distribution are highly organised criminals who currently earn around £6billion simply because of deep-seated prejudice, hypocrisy and corruption within our government.

Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis.
A man and a woman were arrested on suspicion of cultivating cannabis and possession of cannabis.
Hardly the bust of the century and not really worth bragging about. I'd say more of a waste of my tax money. How about focusing on the bigger gang operated well organised grow operations that produce the majority of cannabis. It is only a matter of time before we fall in-line with the rest of Europe (even though we seem to not want to fully join them) and the rest of the world and change our outdated law in regards to cannabis as what we have in place at present is ludicrously expensive and a most painfully obvious failure where around 3 tonnes of cannabis is consumed every day yet police think by busting people growing a couple of plants is having any kind of impact.
I'm all for supporting the police tackling REAL crime and agree that there is a link between the mass production of cannabis and other criminal activity. Which is why myself and it would appear the majority of people, including many within the police force itself, agree that prohibition does nothing more than increase criminal activity.
There are those who oppose this on morale grounds, but how morale is it to allow the persecution of those who use cannabis as a legitimate, often suggested by a GP, medicine. What right do you have to pass judgement on often painfully ill people? You might not agree with allowing another vice into society. But what you fail to understand is that it is ALREADY here and the only people who truly benefit from its production and distribution are highly organised criminals who currently earn around £6billion simply because of deep-seated prejudice, hypocrisy and corruption within our government.handytrim

Police put the door in with two blows and uncovered what they said were three cannabis plants in a grower hidden in a wardrobe, along with two bags of herbal cannabis.

A man and a woman were arrested on suspicion of cultivating cannabis and possession of cannabis.

Hardly the bust of the century and not really worth bragging about. I'd say more of a waste of my tax money. How about focusing on the bigger gang operated well organised grow operations that produce the majority of cannabis. It is only a matter of time before we fall in-line with the rest of Europe (even though we seem to not want to fully join them) and the rest of the world and change our outdated law in regards to cannabis as what we have in place at present is ludicrously expensive and a most painfully obvious failure where around 3 tonnes of cannabis is consumed every day yet police think by busting people growing a couple of plants is having any kind of impact.

I'm all for supporting the police tackling REAL crime and agree that there is a link between the mass production of cannabis and other criminal activity. Which is why myself and it would appear the majority of people, including many within the police force itself, agree that prohibition does nothing more than increase criminal activity.

There are those who oppose this on morale grounds, but how morale is it to allow the persecution of those who use cannabis as a legitimate, often suggested by a GP, medicine. What right do you have to pass judgement on often painfully ill people? You might not agree with allowing another vice into society. But what you fail to understand is that it is ALREADY here and the only people who truly benefit from its production and distribution are highly organised criminals who currently earn around £6billion simply because of deep-seated prejudice, hypocrisy and corruption within our government.

Score: 1

[deleted]
12:49pm Tue 13 Dec 11

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Absolutely awful waste of police time and resources. Besides the fact that there is not one good reason why cannabis should be against the law, just imagine the real crimes that could have been prevented instead of breaking into someone's home to stop them growing a harmless weed. Good on you police scum, I don't know how you sleep at night.Greylox

Absolutely awful waste of police time and resources. Besides the fact that there is not one good reason why cannabis should be against the law, just imagine the real crimes that could have been prevented instead of breaking into someone's home to stop them growing a harmless weed. Good on you police scum, I don't know how you sleep at night.

Score: 0

SteveSimpson
1:02pm Tue 13 Dec 11

@vergil. So, one has to be working to have the right to enjoy cannabis to wind down? Dunno about bizarre thoughts but that statement was just ridiculous!
Yet another complete and utter waste of tax payers money and yet another dent in our already weak economy. Legalise and regulate! It is the ONLY answer to this. Prohibition will not stop us using cannabis and as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. If cannabis was regulated and taxed, just as alcohol and tobacco are (which are far more dangerous than cannabis - FACT), it would take the supply out of criminality, give some relief to our over populated prisons and give our economy the desperately needed boost. When are our politicians going to make decisions on science fact instead of what fills their pockets? Our politicians are oozing with BS for their own gain, don't conform to it! Say NO to prohibition!

@vergil. So, one has to be working to have the right to enjoy cannabis to wind down? Dunno about bizarre thoughts but that statement was just ridiculous!
Yet another complete and utter waste of tax payers money and yet another dent in our already weak economy. Legalise and regulate! It is the ONLY answer to this. Prohibition will not stop us using cannabis and as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. If cannabis was regulated and taxed, just as alcohol and tobacco are (which are far more dangerous than cannabis - FACT), it would take the supply out of criminality, give some relief to our over populated prisons and give our economy the desperately needed boost. When are our politicians going to make decisions on science fact instead of what fills their pockets? Our politicians are oozing with BS for their own gain, don't conform to it! Say NO to prohibition!SteveSimpson

@vergil. So, one has to be working to have the right to enjoy cannabis to wind down? Dunno about bizarre thoughts but that statement was just ridiculous!
Yet another complete and utter waste of tax payers money and yet another dent in our already weak economy. Legalise and regulate! It is the ONLY answer to this. Prohibition will not stop us using cannabis and as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. If cannabis was regulated and taxed, just as alcohol and tobacco are (which are far more dangerous than cannabis - FACT), it would take the supply out of criminality, give some relief to our over populated prisons and give our economy the desperately needed boost. When are our politicians going to make decisions on science fact instead of what fills their pockets? Our politicians are oozing with BS for their own gain, don't conform to it! Say NO to prohibition!

Score: 0

RobYoung
1:09pm Tue 13 Dec 11

I do not see the point in busting growers for what looks like a personal grow. The amount of money it will cost to bust and prosecute this person will be 10 times the cost of his cannabis if not more. A total waste of taxpayers money.

There is a simple reason why crime is associated with drug use and that reason is drug prohibition. This policy has never and can never work, it drives prices sky high so there will always be an insentive to sell and we know the demand is out there.

Society needs to grow up, millions of people use drugs everyday regardless of the law.

I do not see the point in busting growers for what looks like a personal grow. The amount of money it will cost to bust and prosecute this person will be 10 times the cost of his cannabis if not more. A total waste of taxpayers money.
There is a simple reason why crime is associated with drug use and that reason is drug prohibition. This policy has never and can never work, it drives prices sky high so there will always be an insentive to sell and we know the demand is out there.
Society needs to grow up, millions of people use drugs everyday regardless of the law.RobYoung

I do not see the point in busting growers for what looks like a personal grow. The amount of money it will cost to bust and prosecute this person will be 10 times the cost of his cannabis if not more. A total waste of taxpayers money.

There is a simple reason why crime is associated with drug use and that reason is drug prohibition. This policy has never and can never work, it drives prices sky high so there will always be an insentive to sell and we know the demand is out there.

Society needs to grow up, millions of people use drugs everyday regardless of the law.

Score: 1

rpjones
1:25pm Tue 13 Dec 11

"But in essence, we’re showing them our gang is bigger than theirs.”lol,137,00
0 police in britain and an estimated 3 million users of cannabis,I know which gang I'd rather be in.

"But in essence, we’re showing them our gang is bigger than theirs.”lol,137,00
0 police in britain and an estimated 3 million users of cannabis,I know which gang I'd rather be in.rpjones

"But in essence, we’re showing them our gang is bigger than theirs.”lol,137,00
0 police in britain and an estimated 3 million users of cannabis,I know which gang I'd rather be in.

Score: 0

Endconreignforever
1:34pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Isn't it sad that and I quote " Child Poverty Targets will not be met, says Alan Milburn" The poor are bearing the brunt of the current economic crisis. Surely we need to be finding new ways of creating jobs and helping people rise from poverty in these harsh times. Where are the morals when over 6Billion GBP goes into the hands of criminals when that money could be channeled into child poverty through Tax and Regulation. If people want to consume cannabis let them as long as they don't bother you why should it matter? Surely it is their right to choose. You have the right to choose to drink don't you? Today The Basque country on the border with Spain (for those that don't know) decided to pass the law to Tax and Regulate Cannabis as they see the current prohibition laws as worse and more damaging than allowing people to choose. No matter how you look at it we are part of Europe and have been for centuries. Our Monarchy is of Greek/German and Russian decent. We are European and we should start taking note as Tax and Regulation is the only way forward. Let's keep our children safe from real criminals, help them rise from poverty and help educate. This was a good result for the police but will always be a bad result for society.

Isn't it sad that and I quote " Child Poverty Targets will not be met, says Alan Milburn" The poor are bearing the brunt of the current economic crisis. Surely we need to be finding new ways of creating jobs and helping people rise from poverty in these harsh times. Where are the morals when over 6Billion GBP goes into the hands of criminals when that money could be channeled into child poverty through Tax and Regulation. If people want to consume cannabis let them as long as they don't bother you why should it matter? Surely it is their right to choose. You have the right to choose to drink don't you? Today The Basque country on the border with Spain (for those that don't know) decided to pass the law to Tax and Regulate Cannabis as they see the current prohibition laws as worse and more damaging than allowing people to choose. No matter how you look at it we are part of Europe and have been for centuries. Our Monarchy is of Greek/German and Russian decent. We are European and we should start taking note as Tax and Regulation is the only way forward. Let's keep our children safe from real criminals, help them rise from poverty and help educate. This was a good result for the police but will always be a bad result for society.Endconreignforever

Isn't it sad that and I quote " Child Poverty Targets will not be met, says Alan Milburn" The poor are bearing the brunt of the current economic crisis. Surely we need to be finding new ways of creating jobs and helping people rise from poverty in these harsh times. Where are the morals when over 6Billion GBP goes into the hands of criminals when that money could be channeled into child poverty through Tax and Regulation. If people want to consume cannabis let them as long as they don't bother you why should it matter? Surely it is their right to choose. You have the right to choose to drink don't you? Today The Basque country on the border with Spain (for those that don't know) decided to pass the law to Tax and Regulate Cannabis as they see the current prohibition laws as worse and more damaging than allowing people to choose. No matter how you look at it we are part of Europe and have been for centuries. Our Monarchy is of Greek/German and Russian decent. We are European and we should start taking note as Tax and Regulation is the only way forward. Let's keep our children safe from real criminals, help them rise from poverty and help educate. This was a good result for the police but will always be a bad result for society.

Score: 0

lianeanddave
2:50pm Tue 13 Dec 11

dulon wrote…

I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.

With regards to the point made The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine 2 things i would like to raise you say cannabis is less harmful than nicotine... but you smoke tobacco with cannabis???? so in effect it is as harmful? also it is proven that it can be a cause of mental health problems

[quote][p][bold]dulon[/bold] wrote:
I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.[/p][/quote]With regards to the point made The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine 2 things i would like to raise you say cannabis is less harmful than nicotine... but you smoke tobacco with cannabis???? so in effect it is as harmful? also it is proven that it can be a cause of mental health problemslianeanddave

dulon wrote…

I wish that some of this effort was directed toward the metal thieves.
The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine . So why not decriminalise it and save the effort.
If anything why not have a crackdown on the purveyors of alcohol to under age drinkers and the promotion of cool to under age smokers.
You can always say no.

With regards to the point made The use of cannabis is far less harmful than alcohol or nicotine 2 things i would like to raise you say cannabis is less harmful than nicotine... but you smoke tobacco with cannabis???? so in effect it is as harmful? also it is proven that it can be a cause of mental health problems

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handytrim
3:00pm Tue 13 Dec 11

@varien why are you awaiting a response from Peter Reynolds? As I'm sure you are aware he is very busy fighting to end the draconian laws which we are currently oppressed by. He could spend all day posting comments on articles like this one and replying to calls such as yours. Or he could spend his time lobbying MP's, researching evidence and campaigning for the rights of over 3 million regular cannabis users including those who NEED it to have a more normal life thanks to its pain relieving properties. You should feel privileged if he does reply to you as his time is most precious due to a true calling of honourableness, which is more than can be said for most other politicians in the world.

@Endconreignforever I don't think it could have been said any better! Who are the real victims of prohibition? More importantly we should also ask who GAINS from prohibition and thereafter why it is prohibition is still allowed to continue when we ALL know it doesn't work! It certainly revolves around ££££ within certain crowds. Unfortunately those crowds don't involve the public and those who could really benefit from more funds. It would seem that it goes to those who crave power and dominance over equality and justice.

@varien why are you awaiting a response from Peter Reynolds? As I'm sure you are aware he is very busy fighting to end the draconian laws which we are currently oppressed by. He could spend all day posting comments on articles like this one and replying to calls such as yours. Or he could spend his time lobbying MP's, researching evidence and campaigning for the rights of over 3 million regular cannabis users including those who NEED it to have a more normal life thanks to its pain relieving properties. You should feel privileged if he does reply to you as his time is most precious due to a true calling of honourableness, which is more than can be said for most other politicians in the world.
@Endconreignforever I don't think it could have been said any better! Who are the real victims of prohibition? More importantly we should also ask who GAINS from prohibition and thereafter why it is prohibition is still allowed to continue when we ALL know it doesn't work! It certainly revolves around ££££ within certain crowds. Unfortunately those crowds don't involve the public and those who could really benefit from more funds. It would seem that it goes to those who crave power and dominance over equality and justice.handytrim

@varien why are you awaiting a response from Peter Reynolds? As I'm sure you are aware he is very busy fighting to end the draconian laws which we are currently oppressed by. He could spend all day posting comments on articles like this one and replying to calls such as yours. Or he could spend his time lobbying MP's, researching evidence and campaigning for the rights of over 3 million regular cannabis users including those who NEED it to have a more normal life thanks to its pain relieving properties. You should feel privileged if he does reply to you as his time is most precious due to a true calling of honourableness, which is more than can be said for most other politicians in the world.

@Endconreignforever I don't think it could have been said any better! Who are the real victims of prohibition? More importantly we should also ask who GAINS from prohibition and thereafter why it is prohibition is still allowed to continue when we ALL know it doesn't work! It certainly revolves around ££££ within certain crowds. Unfortunately those crowds don't involve the public and those who could really benefit from more funds. It would seem that it goes to those who crave power and dominance over equality and justice.

Score: 0

dulon
3:29pm Tue 13 Dec 11

With regard to mental health issues yes there might be side effects . But they have never been totally proven in clinical tests that I know of. There are plenty of anecdotes . But talk is cheap.
What we can all agree with is that the consumption of alcohol can have serious long term effects . Hence alcoholism.
Also the regular infusion of legitimate
tobacco products can also have long term health effects . Hence we have smoking bans and various other recognitions of the effects of smoking
such as lung cancer and heart disease.
I would suggest that the casual user of cannabis does not smoke 40 spliffs a day. But is more inclined to indulge when it is convenient. The user may also prefer to eat the substance. This I believe will not be as dangerous as smoking.
In fact it is not unknown that some users will only eat the stuff.
The 73 year old lady in I have in mind is suffering from severe back pain and is in agony . Smoking however is a total taboo to her.
Thank you WM police for pointing out your praiseworthy efforts in OCTOBER re metal thefts I did in fact congratulate you at the time through these columns.
However the frequency of these events does suggest that there is still an ongoing issue....

With regard to mental health issues yes there might be side effects . But they have never been totally proven in clinical tests that I know of. There are plenty of anecdotes . But talk is cheap.
What we can all agree with is that the consumption of alcohol can have serious long term effects . Hence alcoholism.
Also the regular infusion of legitimate
tobacco products can also have long term health effects . Hence we have smoking bans and various other recognitions of the effects of smoking
such as lung cancer and heart disease.
I would suggest that the casual user of cannabis does not smoke 40 spliffs a day. But is more inclined to indulge when it is convenient. The user may also prefer to eat the substance. This I believe will not be as dangerous as smoking.
In fact it is not unknown that some users will only eat the stuff.
The 73 year old lady in I have in mind is suffering from severe back pain and is in agony . Smoking however is a total taboo to her.
Thank you WM police for pointing out your praiseworthy efforts in OCTOBER re metal thefts I did in fact congratulate you at the time through these columns.
However the frequency of these events does suggest that there is still an ongoing issue....dulon

With regard to mental health issues yes there might be side effects . But they have never been totally proven in clinical tests that I know of. There are plenty of anecdotes . But talk is cheap.
What we can all agree with is that the consumption of alcohol can have serious long term effects . Hence alcoholism.
Also the regular infusion of legitimate
tobacco products can also have long term health effects . Hence we have smoking bans and various other recognitions of the effects of smoking
such as lung cancer and heart disease.
I would suggest that the casual user of cannabis does not smoke 40 spliffs a day. But is more inclined to indulge when it is convenient. The user may also prefer to eat the substance. This I believe will not be as dangerous as smoking.
In fact it is not unknown that some users will only eat the stuff.
The 73 year old lady in I have in mind is suffering from severe back pain and is in agony . Smoking however is a total taboo to her.
Thank you WM police for pointing out your praiseworthy efforts in OCTOBER re metal thefts I did in fact congratulate you at the time through these columns.
However the frequency of these events does suggest that there is still an ongoing issue....

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mazari
3:52pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Three plants in a wardrobe is 'personal'. Thousands of people across the UK currently grow 2 or 3 small plants like this, or even in cabinets half that size! The has been an explosion in PC case grows over the last couple of years too. In such cases as these it's an insane waste of taxpayers money to drag these people through court, they are harming nobody else, they are NOT funding crime, and in many cases these growers are self medicating. Recently Switzerland and Spain have joined he many other UK countries in relaxing cannabis laws, recognising that the current prohibition policy is failing. I guess it wont be long before we see a picture of a police officer in body armour posing proudly in front of a two plant micro PC case grow ...... and won't we all be able to sleep more peacefully in our beds! I'll leave you with hospital admission figures for 2009/2010 for alcohol and cannabis: Alcohol: 1,000,000 + Cannabis: 750. Can anybody spot the irony here?

Three plants in a wardrobe is 'personal'. Thousands of people across the UK currently grow 2 or 3 small plants like this, or even in cabinets half that size! The has been an explosion in PC case grows over the last couple of years too. In such cases as these it's an insane waste of taxpayers money to drag these people through court, they are harming nobody else, they are NOT funding crime, and in many cases these growers are self medicating. Recently Switzerland and Spain have joined he many other UK countries in relaxing cannabis laws, recognising that the current prohibition policy is failing. I guess it wont be long before we see a picture of a police officer in body armour posing proudly in front of a two plant micro PC case grow ...... and won't we all be able to sleep more peacefully in our beds! I'll leave you with hospital admission figures for 2009/2010 for alcohol and cannabis: Alcohol: 1,000,000 + Cannabis: 750. Can anybody spot the irony here?mazari

Three plants in a wardrobe is 'personal'. Thousands of people across the UK currently grow 2 or 3 small plants like this, or even in cabinets half that size! The has been an explosion in PC case grows over the last couple of years too. In such cases as these it's an insane waste of taxpayers money to drag these people through court, they are harming nobody else, they are NOT funding crime, and in many cases these growers are self medicating. Recently Switzerland and Spain have joined he many other UK countries in relaxing cannabis laws, recognising that the current prohibition policy is failing. I guess it wont be long before we see a picture of a police officer in body armour posing proudly in front of a two plant micro PC case grow ...... and won't we all be able to sleep more peacefully in our beds! I'll leave you with hospital admission figures for 2009/2010 for alcohol and cannabis: Alcohol: 1,000,000 + Cannabis: 750. Can anybody spot the irony here?

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mazari
3:55pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Apologies for the typos above, 'UK' should of course be 'EU' !

Apologies for the typos above, 'UK' should of course be 'EU' !mazari

Apologies for the typos above, 'UK' should of course be 'EU' !

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[deleted]
4:03pm Tue 13 Dec 11

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There definitely needs to be reconsideration into cannabis laws as current legislation is a century outdated and our times are changing fast. As it stands Police are wasting millions of pounds trying to police a crime that should not be in place and what I agree with is the current law change that is happening in Switzerland where people are going to be given the right to legally grow 4 plants for personal use. If you think about it this will drive out the organised crime that profits so heavily from the cannabis sale, allow people to choose exactly what strains and strengths they are smoking, save the country millions if not billions of pounds in tax and policing costs and also create more jobs in the industry actually creating massive revenues to boost the economy. Policing and criminalising innocent people just because they choose to do something that is a god given right is a criminal act in itself so what is the point in spoiling an honest mans day and spending millions of pounds in the process? Agreeably some people can't smoke cannabis as it causes particular individuals to suffer from mayor psychotic symptoms but again this is a reason for legalisation because this would make the information and treatment for such people more widely available.
Just to clarify that I don’t smoke any more at all and I still think this issue should be a personal choice not a government law breaker.
Check out our seeds pages for strain information that is up to date
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ized.comjust fem

There definitely needs to be reconsideration into cannabis laws as current legislation is a century outdated and our times are changing fast. As it stands Police are wasting millions of pounds trying to police a crime that should not be in place and what I agree with is the current law change that is happening in Switzerland where people are going to be given the right to legally grow 4 plants for personal use. If you think about it this will drive out the organised crime that profits so heavily from the cannabis sale, allow people to choose exactly what strains and strengths they are smoking, save the country millions if not billions of pounds in tax and policing costs and also create more jobs in the industry actually creating massive revenues to boost the economy. Policing and criminalising innocent people just because they choose to do something that is a god given right is a criminal act in itself so what is the point in spoiling an honest mans day and spending millions of pounds in the process? Agreeably some people can't smoke cannabis as it causes particular individuals to suffer from mayor psychotic symptoms but again this is a reason for legalisation because this would make the information and treatment for such people more widely available.
Just to clarify that I don’t smoke any more at all and I still think this issue should be a personal choice not a government law breaker.
Check out our seeds pages for strain information that is up to date
http://www.justfemin
ized.com

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[deleted]
4:03pm Tue 13 Dec 11

[deleted]

There definitely needs to be econsideration into cannabis laws as current legislation is a century outdated and our times are changing fast. As it stands Police are wasting millions of pounds trying to police a crime that should not be in place and what I agree with is the current law change that is happening in Switzerland where people are going to be given the right to legally grow 4 plants for personal use. If you think about it this will drive out the organised crime that profits so heavily from the cannabis sale, allow people to choose exactly what strains and strengths they are smoking, save the country millions if not billions of pounds in tax and policing costs and also create more jobs in the industry actually creating massive revenues to boost the economy. Policing and criminalising innocent people just because they choose to do something that is a god given right is a criminal act in itself so what is the point in spoiling an honest mans day and spending millions of pounds in the process? Agreeably some people can't smoke cannabis as it causes particular individuals to suffer from mayor psychotic symptoms but again this is a reason for legalisation because this would make the information and treatment for such people more widely available.
Just to clarify that I don’t smoke any more at all and I still think this issue should be a personal choice not a government law breaker.
Check out our seeds pages for strain information that is up to date
http://www.justfemin
ized.comjust fem

There definitely needs to be econsideration into cannabis laws as current legislation is a century outdated and our times are changing fast. As it stands Police are wasting millions of pounds trying to police a crime that should not be in place and what I agree with is the current law change that is happening in Switzerland where people are going to be given the right to legally grow 4 plants for personal use. If you think about it this will drive out the organised crime that profits so heavily from the cannabis sale, allow people to choose exactly what strains and strengths they are smoking, save the country millions if not billions of pounds in tax and policing costs and also create more jobs in the industry actually creating massive revenues to boost the economy. Policing and criminalising innocent people just because they choose to do something that is a god given right is a criminal act in itself so what is the point in spoiling an honest mans day and spending millions of pounds in the process? Agreeably some people can't smoke cannabis as it causes particular individuals to suffer from mayor psychotic symptoms but again this is a reason for legalisation because this would make the information and treatment for such people more widely available.
Just to clarify that I don’t smoke any more at all and I still think this issue should be a personal choice not a government law breaker.
Check out our seeds pages for strain information that is up to date
http://www.justfemin
ized.com

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David John Powell
7:26pm Tue 13 Dec 11

3 pathetic little plants and 2 small bags of cannabis;enough for a few weeks use.

Obviously personal use the plant in the tent would barely cover a persons use for a month or two when it matures.

How is this a result? This is a total and utter waste of public money, taxes and time.

The only positive result this provides is pumping endless sums of money into the pockets of those who are employed within the business of "prohibition". Thats the lawyers, court staff, court ushers, cleaners, prison staff, technical experts. This is a total and utter sham, the only people benefiting from this pathetic cannabis seizure are those hell bent on the spreading of misleading and non-sensical propoganda about drugs.

Look at that tent in the wardrobe, it's the most basic model, the smallest available. Leave these innocent smokers alone. Sooner we get it legalised the sooner we can end the alcohol problems this country is stained with. Yes, Alcohol is a DRUG too, no different to any other, as it nicotine, the two biggest killers of all drugs are legal.

This system is outdated and limp reporting such as this is only doing this entire country a penile injustice.

See you in Crown Court soon.

3 pathetic little plants and 2 small bags of cannabis;enough for a few weeks use.
Obviously personal use the plant in the tent would barely cover a persons use for a month or two when it matures.
How is this a result? This is a total and utter waste of public money, taxes and time.
The only positive result this provides is pumping endless sums of money into the pockets of those who are employed within the business of "prohibition". Thats the lawyers, court staff, court ushers, cleaners, prison staff, technical experts. This is a total and utter sham, the only people benefiting from this pathetic cannabis seizure are those hell bent on the spreading of misleading and non-sensical propoganda about drugs.
Look at that tent in the wardrobe, it's the most basic model, the smallest available. Leave these innocent smokers alone. Sooner we get it legalised the sooner we can end the alcohol problems this country is stained with. Yes, Alcohol is a DRUG too, no different to any other, as it nicotine, the two biggest killers of all drugs are legal.
This system is outdated and limp reporting such as this is only doing this entire country a penile injustice.
See you in Crown Court soon.David John Powell

3 pathetic little plants and 2 small bags of cannabis;enough for a few weeks use.

Obviously personal use the plant in the tent would barely cover a persons use for a month or two when it matures.

How is this a result? This is a total and utter waste of public money, taxes and time.

The only positive result this provides is pumping endless sums of money into the pockets of those who are employed within the business of "prohibition". Thats the lawyers, court staff, court ushers, cleaners, prison staff, technical experts. This is a total and utter sham, the only people benefiting from this pathetic cannabis seizure are those hell bent on the spreading of misleading and non-sensical propoganda about drugs.

Look at that tent in the wardrobe, it's the most basic model, the smallest available. Leave these innocent smokers alone. Sooner we get it legalised the sooner we can end the alcohol problems this country is stained with. Yes, Alcohol is a DRUG too, no different to any other, as it nicotine, the two biggest killers of all drugs are legal.

This system is outdated and limp reporting such as this is only doing this entire country a penile injustice.

See you in Crown Court soon.

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David John Powell
7:41pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Just today, Spain, the 3rd country in almost as many weeks made exactly this type of cannabis growth and use perfectly legal. It's time this country grew up this type of reporting makes me sick.

This is a victimless crime in someones own house; alteast it was without victims until the police turned the poor growers house into a doorless barn. After this is a standard right of passage through a court system filled with little more than politically castrated and uptight control freaks that will further blight the lives of these innocent victims of prohibition.

I use cannabis medically to treat symptoms of my Manic Depressive Disorder, it's brilliant, miracle cure. I'll be down in Worcester Crown early next year on similar charges.

I couldn't care less about it. Cause I am right and they are wrong! I'll still be using Cannabis everyday unless I get a death sentence. I'll make sure the person picking me up from prison brings my pipe and bit to smoke.

I look at articles like this and makes me weap as to what this country has become, mainly due to this type of biased scaremongering nonsense.

Just today, Spain, the 3rd country in almost as many weeks made exactly this type of cannabis growth and use perfectly legal. It's time this country grew up this type of reporting makes me sick.
This is a victimless crime in someones own house; alteast it was without victims until the police turned the poor growers house into a doorless barn. After this is a standard right of passage through a court system filled with little more than politically castrated and uptight control freaks that will further blight the lives of these innocent victims of prohibition.
I use cannabis medically to treat symptoms of my Manic Depressive Disorder, it's brilliant, miracle cure. I'll be down in Worcester Crown early next year on similar charges.
I couldn't care less about it. Cause I am right and they are wrong! I'll still be using Cannabis everyday unless I get a death sentence. I'll make sure the person picking me up from prison brings my pipe and bit to smoke.
Model citizen me, smoke cannabis everyday, eat whole foods, work out 2hrs a day, cycle everywhere, read books, grow my intelligence.
I look at articles like this and makes me weap as to what this country has become, mainly due to this type of biased scaremongering nonsense.David John Powell

Just today, Spain, the 3rd country in almost as many weeks made exactly this type of cannabis growth and use perfectly legal. It's time this country grew up this type of reporting makes me sick.

This is a victimless crime in someones own house; alteast it was without victims until the police turned the poor growers house into a doorless barn. After this is a standard right of passage through a court system filled with little more than politically castrated and uptight control freaks that will further blight the lives of these innocent victims of prohibition.

I use cannabis medically to treat symptoms of my Manic Depressive Disorder, it's brilliant, miracle cure. I'll be down in Worcester Crown early next year on similar charges.

I couldn't care less about it. Cause I am right and they are wrong! I'll still be using Cannabis everyday unless I get a death sentence. I'll make sure the person picking me up from prison brings my pipe and bit to smoke.

I look at articles like this and makes me weap as to what this country has become, mainly due to this type of biased scaremongering nonsense.

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s1nnah
8:42pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Wow some peoples comments are shocking to say the least.
Theres one thing I can say for certain. no crime has been commited here. There is no way these poor lads would have grown these three little plants for three months, giving them love, care and attention only to sell it and be back to buying .8 of a gram for £10 within a couple of weeks.
no what these lads did was say no to prohibition. they decided to take the money out of criminal hands and become self sufficient. guaranteeing themselves good quality pot for christmas.
All around us attitudes towards cannabis and its users are changing. approx 6million canna users in the uk 700 odd hospital admissions. 30 million alcohol users is around 50k hospital admissions in 2011. you do the maths.
legalise and regulate.

Wow some peoples comments are shocking to say the least.
Theres one thing I can say for certain. no crime has been commited here. There is no way these poor lads would have grown these three little plants for three months, giving them love, care and attention only to sell it and be back to buying .8 of a gram for £10 within a couple of weeks.
no what these lads did was say no to prohibition. they decided to take the money out of criminal hands and become self sufficient. guaranteeing themselves good quality pot for christmas.
All around us attitudes towards cannabis and its users are changing. approx 6million canna users in the uk 700 odd hospital admissions. 30 million alcohol users is around 50k hospital admissions in 2011. you do the maths.
legalise and regulate.s1nnah

Wow some peoples comments are shocking to say the least.
Theres one thing I can say for certain. no crime has been commited here. There is no way these poor lads would have grown these three little plants for three months, giving them love, care and attention only to sell it and be back to buying .8 of a gram for £10 within a couple of weeks.
no what these lads did was say no to prohibition. they decided to take the money out of criminal hands and become self sufficient. guaranteeing themselves good quality pot for christmas.
All around us attitudes towards cannabis and its users are changing. approx 6million canna users in the uk 700 odd hospital admissions. 30 million alcohol users is around 50k hospital admissions in 2011. you do the maths.
legalise and regulate.

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jovialcommonsense
9:08am Wed 14 Dec 11

Just a thought.......
When alcohol was first used it was seen as a good way of avoiding diseased water and therefore a good cause.
When tobacco was introduced it was not seen as harmful for about 300 years.
What knowledge do we NOT have now that future generations will see us as primitive?

Just a thought.......
When alcohol was first used it was seen as a good way of avoiding diseased water and therefore a good cause.
When tobacco was introduced it was not seen as harmful for about 300 years.
What knowledge do we NOT have now that future generations will see us as primitive?jovialcommonsense

Just a thought.......
When alcohol was first used it was seen as a good way of avoiding diseased water and therefore a good cause.
When tobacco was introduced it was not seen as harmful for about 300 years.
What knowledge do we NOT have now that future generations will see us as primitive?

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varien
11:05am Wed 14 Dec 11

David John Powell said: -
"Model citizen me, smoke cannabis everyday, eat whole foods, work out 2hrs a day, cycle everywhere, read books, grow my intelligence."
You forgot to mention working. That is assuming you have a job of course.

David John Powell said: -
"Model citizen me, smoke cannabis everyday, eat whole foods, work out 2hrs a day, cycle everywhere, read books, grow my intelligence."
You forgot to mention working. That is assuming you have a job of course.varien

David John Powell said: -
"Model citizen me, smoke cannabis everyday, eat whole foods, work out 2hrs a day, cycle everywhere, read books, grow my intelligence."
You forgot to mention working. That is assuming you have a job of course.

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David John Powell
1:03pm Wed 14 Dec 11

Varien, I suffer from Manic Depression, I work when I am well enough, 10years of self employment. I don't claim benefits or wish for any assistance from either ignorants such as yourself, or the system you are fostered by.

Varien, I suffer from Manic Depression, I work when I am well enough, 10years of self employment. I don't claim benefits or wish for any assistance from either ignorants such as yourself, or the system you are fostered by.David John Powell

Varien, I suffer from Manic Depression, I work when I am well enough, 10years of self employment. I don't claim benefits or wish for any assistance from either ignorants such as yourself, or the system you are fostered by.

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David John Powell
1:08pm Wed 14 Dec 11

http://cannabistreat
smybipolar.blogspot.
com/

It's all on the blog.

http://cannabistreat
smybipolar.blogspot.
com/
It's all on the blog.David John Powell

http://cannabistreat
smybipolar.blogspot.
com/

It's all on the blog.

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danny mc
2:09pm Wed 14 Dec 11

the police need to concentrate more on the quality of crime they detect + the over riding objective in court, as the little petty crimes i have just read on hear wont even get through a courts doors ! worcester police bigging up a theirselves over a few trivial arrests

the police need to concentrate more on the quality of crime they detect + the over riding objective in court, as the little petty crimes i have just read on hear wont even get through a courts doors ! worcester police bigging up a theirselves over a few trivial arrestsdanny mc

the police need to concentrate more on the quality of crime they detect + the over riding objective in court, as the little petty crimes i have just read on hear wont even get through a courts doors ! worcester police bigging up a theirselves over a few trivial arrests

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varien
6:08pm Wed 14 Dec 11

David John Powell,
A very good friend of mine suffered from manic depression the cause of which was identified, by the medical profession, as cannabis use. He used cannabis on a regular basis for over 40 years and it eventually destroyed his career and marriage. He used to grow his own cannabis and the crunch came when his 15 year old son, who was so fed up with his father's behaviour, destroyed the plants. His father's reaction was to beat up his son so badly he needed hospital treatment - it was me who took him to hospital. From that point onward things went from bad to worse.
This, together with other encounters with cannabis users - all negative - is why have little or no time for those that advocate its use.

David John Powell,
A very good friend of mine suffered from manic depression the cause of which was identified, by the medical profession, as cannabis use. He used cannabis on a regular basis for over 40 years and it eventually destroyed his career and marriage. He used to grow his own cannabis and the crunch came when his 15 year old son, who was so fed up with his father's behaviour, destroyed the plants. His father's reaction was to beat up his son so badly he needed hospital treatment - it was me who took him to hospital. From that point onward things went from bad to worse.
This, together with other encounters with cannabis users - all negative - is why have little or no time for those that advocate its use.varien

David John Powell,
A very good friend of mine suffered from manic depression the cause of which was identified, by the medical profession, as cannabis use. He used cannabis on a regular basis for over 40 years and it eventually destroyed his career and marriage. He used to grow his own cannabis and the crunch came when his 15 year old son, who was so fed up with his father's behaviour, destroyed the plants. His father's reaction was to beat up his son so badly he needed hospital treatment - it was me who took him to hospital. From that point onward things went from bad to worse.
This, together with other encounters with cannabis users - all negative - is why have little or no time for those that advocate its use.

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David John Powell
7:09pm Wed 14 Dec 11

Varien, It's always convenient how people such as yourself: internet armchair experts; who pontificate from a position of self manifested moral highground always manage to have experiences that suit there adgenda. As if by magic.

I am sure if you had even the faintest idea about being manic depressive you would see that failing to be treated effectively for manic depression is what lead to this persons downfall, people were too busy blaming cannabis cause of misleading and casual links that manifest from the right-wing-papers you probably read each day.

If you had the faintest idea about the condition of manic depression, you would understand that is generally a condition that worsens with time and with each episode, it's cyclic and the gameplan changes all the time. It's a day to day battle with the devil.

Maybe your "friend" was suffering the effects of mania at the time of this hospitalisation, most people are. I can quarantee you that the effects of mania are stronger than any drug you can legally or illegally obtain. It's effects are similar to that of LSD combined with PCP or Crack Cocaine.

If you get in the way of someone suffering mania of this degree, psychosis and near schtizopheric: you will find they have super-human-strength
, zero ability to control their actions, hense they term if psychotic features. The suffers behaviour is typical of a person suffering a psychotic disorder and in no way does this persons behaviour manifested from or portay the effects of cannabis use.

The effects of manic depression, mania; these are the same effects as those caused by excessive drug use, such as being strung out on stimulants, manic depression is a drug of it's own. Infact drugs are just trying to replicate the effect and feeling of manic depression be that downers or uppers.

Drugs act on neurotransmitters, the same ones going haywire in person who has Manic Depression, it's the same fuctionality in the brain being manipulated in two different ways.

Manic depression is the motion of the ocean, it's relentless and never ends; cannabis and it's effects are just a drop in that ocean. The effects of cannabis are probably like 1% of the potential that the manic depression can inflict by bending a persons behaviour from pole to pole.

Cannabis's effect compared to manic depression is like a cup of tea being cannabis versus a litre of vodka being manic depression.

It's easy to lack even the faintest idea about what you believe you have a right to comment on when you have absolutely no experience of these things, as such is obvious.

It's plainly about as good as it gets for an outsider to say a manic depressives problems were caused by cannabis. The guy seeks cannabis cause he has a MASSIVE UGLY problem inside him. Ignorants like you drove this man to these acts by removing the only thing he had access to that dampened the absolute misery he deals with privately day to day.

Like many people are held together by alcohol, most of them in denial depressives.

People like you should be ashamed of going around claiming moral high ground; when you haven't the knowledge about the subject of which you speak by those of blinkered observer. Your level of knowledge warrents your opinion worthly of no notable form of recognition bar by people of very blinkered perception.

Regards. David

Varien, It's always convenient how people such as yourself: internet armchair experts; who pontificate from a position of self manifested moral highground always manage to have experiences that suit there adgenda. As if by magic.
I am sure if you had even the faintest idea about being manic depressive you would see that failing to be treated effectively for manic depression is what lead to this persons downfall, people were too busy blaming cannabis cause of misleading and casual links that manifest from the right-wing-papers you probably read each day.
If you had the faintest idea about the condition of manic depression, you would understand that is generally a condition that worsens with time and with each episode, it's cyclic and the gameplan changes all the time. It's a day to day battle with the devil.
Maybe your "friend" was suffering the effects of mania at the time of this hospitalisation, most people are. I can quarantee you that the effects of mania are stronger than any drug you can legally or illegally obtain. It's effects are similar to that of LSD combined with PCP or Crack Cocaine.
If you get in the way of someone suffering mania of this degree, psychosis and near schtizopheric: you will find they have super-human-strength
, zero ability to control their actions, hense they term if psychotic features. The suffers behaviour is typical of a person suffering a psychotic disorder and in no way does this persons behaviour manifested from or portay the effects of cannabis use.
The effects of manic depression, mania; these are the same effects as those caused by excessive drug use, such as being strung out on stimulants, manic depression is a drug of it's own. Infact drugs are just trying to replicate the effect and feeling of manic depression be that downers or uppers.
Drugs act on neurotransmitters, the same ones going haywire in person who has Manic Depression, it's the same fuctionality in the brain being manipulated in two different ways.
Manic depression is the motion of the ocean, it's relentless and never ends; cannabis and it's effects are just a drop in that ocean. The effects of cannabis are probably like 1% of the potential that the manic depression can inflict by bending a persons behaviour from pole to pole.
Cannabis's effect compared to manic depression is like a cup of tea being cannabis versus a litre of vodka being manic depression.
It's easy to lack even the faintest idea about what you believe you have a right to comment on when you have absolutely no experience of these things, as such is obvious.
It's plainly about as good as it gets for an outsider to say a manic depressives problems were caused by cannabis. The guy seeks cannabis cause he has a MASSIVE UGLY problem inside him. Ignorants like you drove this man to these acts by removing the only thing he had access to that dampened the absolute misery he deals with privately day to day.
Like many people are held together by alcohol, most of them in denial depressives.
People like you should be ashamed of going around claiming moral high ground; when you haven't the knowledge about the subject of which you speak by those of blinkered observer. Your level of knowledge warrents your opinion worthly of no notable form of recognition bar by people of very blinkered perception.
Regards. DavidDavid John Powell

Varien, It's always convenient how people such as yourself: internet armchair experts; who pontificate from a position of self manifested moral highground always manage to have experiences that suit there adgenda. As if by magic.

I am sure if you had even the faintest idea about being manic depressive you would see that failing to be treated effectively for manic depression is what lead to this persons downfall, people were too busy blaming cannabis cause of misleading and casual links that manifest from the right-wing-papers you probably read each day.

If you had the faintest idea about the condition of manic depression, you would understand that is generally a condition that worsens with time and with each episode, it's cyclic and the gameplan changes all the time. It's a day to day battle with the devil.

Maybe your "friend" was suffering the effects of mania at the time of this hospitalisation, most people are. I can quarantee you that the effects of mania are stronger than any drug you can legally or illegally obtain. It's effects are similar to that of LSD combined with PCP or Crack Cocaine.

If you get in the way of someone suffering mania of this degree, psychosis and near schtizopheric: you will find they have super-human-strength
, zero ability to control their actions, hense they term if psychotic features. The suffers behaviour is typical of a person suffering a psychotic disorder and in no way does this persons behaviour manifested from or portay the effects of cannabis use.

The effects of manic depression, mania; these are the same effects as those caused by excessive drug use, such as being strung out on stimulants, manic depression is a drug of it's own. Infact drugs are just trying to replicate the effect and feeling of manic depression be that downers or uppers.

Drugs act on neurotransmitters, the same ones going haywire in person who has Manic Depression, it's the same fuctionality in the brain being manipulated in two different ways.

Manic depression is the motion of the ocean, it's relentless and never ends; cannabis and it's effects are just a drop in that ocean. The effects of cannabis are probably like 1% of the potential that the manic depression can inflict by bending a persons behaviour from pole to pole.

Cannabis's effect compared to manic depression is like a cup of tea being cannabis versus a litre of vodka being manic depression.

It's easy to lack even the faintest idea about what you believe you have a right to comment on when you have absolutely no experience of these things, as such is obvious.

It's plainly about as good as it gets for an outsider to say a manic depressives problems were caused by cannabis. The guy seeks cannabis cause he has a MASSIVE UGLY problem inside him. Ignorants like you drove this man to these acts by removing the only thing he had access to that dampened the absolute misery he deals with privately day to day.

Like many people are held together by alcohol, most of them in denial depressives.

People like you should be ashamed of going around claiming moral high ground; when you haven't the knowledge about the subject of which you speak by those of blinkered observer. Your level of knowledge warrents your opinion worthly of no notable form of recognition bar by people of very blinkered perception.

Regards. David

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varien
6:14pm Thu 15 Dec 11

David John Powell,
Yet another cannabis user unable to accept criticism and respect the views of others.
Your last rant only serves to strenghen my contempt for those that use cannabis.

David John Powell,
Yet another cannabis user unable to accept criticism and respect the views of others.
Your last rant only serves to strenghen my contempt for those that use cannabis.varien

David John Powell,
Yet another cannabis user unable to accept criticism and respect the views of others.
Your last rant only serves to strenghen my contempt for those that use cannabis.

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David John Powell
9:20pm Thu 15 Dec 11

Thats it, dig your heels into the mound of false and murderous moral highground you sit upon. I've lost plenty of friends due to the attitude of people with no ability to face reality.

"Count of finished admission episodes (FAE) with a primary diagnosis of mental and behavioural disorders due to use of cannabinoids (ICD10 code F12) and alcohol (ICD10 code F10)

Thats it, dig your heels into the mound of false and murderous moral highground you sit upon. I've lost plenty of friends due to the attitude of people with no ability to face reality.
"Count of finished admission episodes (FAE) with a primary diagnosis of mental and behavioural disorders due to use of cannabinoids (ICD10 code F12) and alcohol (ICD10 code F10)
Cannabinoids (F12)
2009-10 713
2010-11 799
Alcohol (F10)
2009-10 47,402
2010-11 47,287
Source: Hospital Episode Statistics (HES), The NHS Information Centre for health and social care."David John Powell

Thats it, dig your heels into the mound of false and murderous moral highground you sit upon. I've lost plenty of friends due to the attitude of people with no ability to face reality.

"Count of finished admission episodes (FAE) with a primary diagnosis of mental and behavioural disorders due to use of cannabinoids (ICD10 code F12) and alcohol (ICD10 code F10)

David John Powell, I can see you are very passionate about your beliefs.

Using your 2010/11 figures above:
Estimated 6,000,000 cannabis users in the UK mean that 0.133% are FAE.
Estimated 46,000,000 (I do not accept s1nnah 30m figure above) alcohol users in the UK mean that 0.115% are FAE.
Does that appear to suggest alcohol is safer?

Fortunately, I am not in your situation so cannot understand your dilemma. However surely you can appreciate others, for whatever reason, are just as passionate in their views as you.

I can understand your bewilderment as to why cannabis cannot be a prescribed drug, but all drugs have different side affects for different people, so I am sceptical about it becoming freely available.

Currently the law states cannabis use is illegal so the police must do their job and it is up to parliament to make any law changes.

If you were willing to enter in to debate using your knowledge on the subject rather than ranting at those with other views I am sure you could make progress.

David John Powell, I can see you are very passionate about your beliefs.
Using your 2010/11 figures above:
Estimated 6,000,000 cannabis users in the UK mean that 0.133% are FAE.
Estimated 46,000,000 (I do not accept s1nnah 30m figure above) alcohol users in the UK mean that 0.115% are FAE.
Does that appear to suggest alcohol is safer?
Fortunately, I am not in your situation so cannot understand your dilemma. However surely you can appreciate others, for whatever reason, are just as passionate in their views as you.
I can understand your bewilderment as to why cannabis cannot be a prescribed drug, but all drugs have different side affects for different people, so I am sceptical about it becoming freely available.
Currently the law states cannabis use is illegal so the police must do their job and it is up to parliament to make any law changes.
If you were willing to enter in to debate using your knowledge on the subject rather than ranting at those with other views I am sure you could make progress.jovialcommonsense

David John Powell, I can see you are very passionate about your beliefs.

Using your 2010/11 figures above:
Estimated 6,000,000 cannabis users in the UK mean that 0.133% are FAE.
Estimated 46,000,000 (I do not accept s1nnah 30m figure above) alcohol users in the UK mean that 0.115% are FAE.
Does that appear to suggest alcohol is safer?

Fortunately, I am not in your situation so cannot understand your dilemma. However surely you can appreciate others, for whatever reason, are just as passionate in their views as you.

I can understand your bewilderment as to why cannabis cannot be a prescribed drug, but all drugs have different side affects for different people, so I am sceptical about it becoming freely available.

Currently the law states cannabis use is illegal so the police must do their job and it is up to parliament to make any law changes.

If you were willing to enter in to debate using your knowledge on the subject rather than ranting at those with other views I am sure you could make progress.

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mazari
9:49am Fri 16 Dec 11

It is important to keep in mind that the reason the Government gives for cannabis remaining a controlled substance is because it is ‘harmful’. That is the fundamental reason behind every front door that is smashed down by Police, behind every arrest and every court appearance, all of which costs the Uk taxpayer vast sums of money.

Thousands of otherwise law abiding, hard working people in this country have been criminalised because they have chosen to use this natural herbal substance, on the sole basis that our Government has decided it is ‘harmful’. Gordon Brown went so far as to describe cannabis as “lethal” in spite of the fact that there has never been a single recorded death attributable to cannabis use. We know what happened when his appointed Chief Scientific Advisor spoke out against this ridiculous statement that has absolutely no basis in factual evidence.

I know personally of a man who was told by a Judge in a court of law in response to his defence claim that he was harming nobody else in his choice to use cannabis that he had “committed a crime against himself”. I don’t know about others, but personally I find that to be quite ridiculous. My point is that where a responsible adult chooses to grow and use cannabis within his or her own home that person is not interfering with anybody else’s life, neither is that person harming anybody else, and these two criteria are the fundamental principles of English Common Law.

In addition there are now hundreds of peer reviewed research papers that reach the conclusion that cannabis is a “relatively harmless substance”. The biggest hypocrisy is that this same Government have granted a cultivation licence to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow thousands of cannabis plants from which Sativex is produced. The Chairman of that company Dr Geoffrey Guy is quoted as saying: "My professional view of cannabis as a substance is that it appears to be a remarkably safe substance in comparison to most medicines prescribed today”. This is a view shared by health professionals around the world.

Something is badly wrong here, and every time I read a report of yet another front door broken in and a small personal grow of a few plants leading to yet another criminal record I will have my say and post my comments. This barbaric practice that flies completely in the face of scientific evidence must end.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason the Government gives for cannabis remaining a controlled substance is because it is ‘harmful’. That is the fundamental reason behind every front door that is smashed down by Police, behind every arrest and every court appearance, all of which costs the Uk taxpayer vast sums of money.
Thousands of otherwise law abiding, hard working people in this country have been criminalised because they have chosen to use this natural herbal substance, on the sole basis that our Government has decided it is ‘harmful’. Gordon Brown went so far as to describe cannabis as “lethal” in spite of the fact that there has never been a single recorded death attributable to cannabis use. We know what happened when his appointed Chief Scientific Advisor spoke out against this ridiculous statement that has absolutely no basis in factual evidence.
I know personally of a man who was told by a Judge in a court of law in response to his defence claim that he was harming nobody else in his choice to use cannabis that he had “committed a crime against himself”. I don’t know about others, but personally I find that to be quite ridiculous. My point is that where a responsible adult chooses to grow and use cannabis within his or her own home that person is not interfering with anybody else’s life, neither is that person harming anybody else, and these two criteria are the fundamental principles of English Common Law.
In addition there are now hundreds of peer reviewed research papers that reach the conclusion that cannabis is a “relatively harmless substance”. The biggest hypocrisy is that this same Government have granted a cultivation licence to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow thousands of cannabis plants from which Sativex is produced. The Chairman of that company Dr Geoffrey Guy is quoted as saying: "My professional view of cannabis as a substance is that it appears to be a remarkably safe substance in comparison to most medicines prescribed today”. This is a view shared by health professionals around the world.
Something is badly wrong here, and every time I read a report of yet another front door broken in and a small personal grow of a few plants leading to yet another criminal record I will have my say and post my comments. This barbaric practice that flies completely in the face of scientific evidence must end.mazari

It is important to keep in mind that the reason the Government gives for cannabis remaining a controlled substance is because it is ‘harmful’. That is the fundamental reason behind every front door that is smashed down by Police, behind every arrest and every court appearance, all of which costs the Uk taxpayer vast sums of money.

Thousands of otherwise law abiding, hard working people in this country have been criminalised because they have chosen to use this natural herbal substance, on the sole basis that our Government has decided it is ‘harmful’. Gordon Brown went so far as to describe cannabis as “lethal” in spite of the fact that there has never been a single recorded death attributable to cannabis use. We know what happened when his appointed Chief Scientific Advisor spoke out against this ridiculous statement that has absolutely no basis in factual evidence.

I know personally of a man who was told by a Judge in a court of law in response to his defence claim that he was harming nobody else in his choice to use cannabis that he had “committed a crime against himself”. I don’t know about others, but personally I find that to be quite ridiculous. My point is that where a responsible adult chooses to grow and use cannabis within his or her own home that person is not interfering with anybody else’s life, neither is that person harming anybody else, and these two criteria are the fundamental principles of English Common Law.

In addition there are now hundreds of peer reviewed research papers that reach the conclusion that cannabis is a “relatively harmless substance”. The biggest hypocrisy is that this same Government have granted a cultivation licence to GW Pharmaceuticals to grow thousands of cannabis plants from which Sativex is produced. The Chairman of that company Dr Geoffrey Guy is quoted as saying: "My professional view of cannabis as a substance is that it appears to be a remarkably safe substance in comparison to most medicines prescribed today”. This is a view shared by health professionals around the world.

Something is badly wrong here, and every time I read a report of yet another front door broken in and a small personal grow of a few plants leading to yet another criminal record I will have my say and post my comments. This barbaric practice that flies completely in the face of scientific evidence must end.

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jovialcommonsense
7:04am Sat 17 Dec 11

Mazari,
If, as you say, cannabis is harmless then why is the govt continuing to keep it illegal? Does the govt know something you are not telling us?
You argue that it is wrong to persecute those growing their own supply for health reasons. Does that mean you are happy for them to grow tobacco also, if they smoke the cannabis?
Surely it is best to promote the use of cannabis via prescription and the growing to be done by legalised, licensed companies.
The idea that it should be legal for anyone to grow it would quickly be lost to money making schemes, and those that need it and unable to grow it, put at the mercy of unregulated others.
In the meantime the police have to uphold the current laws.

Mazari,
If, as you say, cannabis is harmless then why is the govt continuing to keep it illegal? Does the govt know something you are not telling us?
You argue that it is wrong to persecute those growing their own supply for health reasons. Does that mean you are happy for them to grow tobacco also, if they smoke the cannabis?
Surely it is best to promote the use of cannabis via prescription and the growing to be done by legalised, licensed companies.
The idea that it should be legal for anyone to grow it would quickly be lost to money making schemes, and those that need it and unable to grow it, put at the mercy of unregulated others.
In the meantime the police have to uphold the current laws.jovialcommonsense

Mazari,
If, as you say, cannabis is harmless then why is the govt continuing to keep it illegal? Does the govt know something you are not telling us?
You argue that it is wrong to persecute those growing their own supply for health reasons. Does that mean you are happy for them to grow tobacco also, if they smoke the cannabis?
Surely it is best to promote the use of cannabis via prescription and the growing to be done by legalised, licensed companies.
The idea that it should be legal for anyone to grow it would quickly be lost to money making schemes, and those that need it and unable to grow it, put at the mercy of unregulated others.
In the meantime the police have to uphold the current laws.

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[deleted]
7:04am Sat 17 Dec 11

[deleted]

Mazari,
If, as you say, cannabis is harmless then why is the govt continuing to keep it illegal? Does the govt know something you are not telling us?
You argue that it is wrong to persecute those growing their own supply for health reasons. Does that mean you are happy for them to grow tobacco also, if they smoke the cannabis?
Surely it is best to promote the use of cannabis via prescription and the growing to be done by legalised, licensed companies.
The idea that it should be legal for anyone to grow it would quickly be lost to money making schemes, and those that need it and unable to grow it, put at the mercy of unregulated others.
In the meantime the police have to uphold the current laws.jovialcommonsense

Mazari,
If, as you say, cannabis is harmless then why is the govt continuing to keep it illegal? Does the govt know something you are not telling us?
You argue that it is wrong to persecute those growing their own supply for health reasons. Does that mean you are happy for them to grow tobacco also, if they smoke the cannabis?
Surely it is best to promote the use of cannabis via prescription and the growing to be done by legalised, licensed companies.
The idea that it should be legal for anyone to grow it would quickly be lost to money making schemes, and those that need it and unable to grow it, put at the mercy of unregulated others.
In the meantime the police have to uphold the current laws.

Score: 0

[deleted]
3:31pm Sat 17 Dec 11

[deleted]

The government keep it illegal for a whole range of reasons and public health considerations are a low priority on that list.
Higher priorities would be vast and huge hole to fill in the police, courts, probation and prison budgets and staffing levels: You find that there is a sharp decline in the level of time wasted by police on petty issues such as this and all the staff needed in the follow on steps to prosecution.
I know from my own criminal case there must be costs over £150,000 involved before they jail me. Months of paper pushing in back offices; typing out reports about the cannabis, it goes to different "experts", estimates, photos, statements, forensics, storage of the evidence, destruction, processing at magistrates, lawyers, experts, ushers, CPS lawyers, travelling time.
Imagine if 10% of the cases at court are cannabis related, maybe more. You need to find jobs for a large number of people who are currently employed within this shambolic prohibition "business". It's an economy of it's own. This money all filters back into the economy; it's a out of control train. It's a BIG shift to end prohibition; that's without the moral, rheotric, dogma and small minded attitudes that need to be changed.
It's a bigger issue than the non-exist harm cannabis causes to the user.
That's just one reason.
Maybe another. Big Business doesn't like Cannabis for numerous reasons. Business and Government are hand in hand.
Cannabis instills into people a greater level of empathy and humanity and ability to see through control and repression.
Everyone I know who is a dope user is a great person, role models honestly; alteast ideal models for the working classes who are currently lost without any form of identity thesedays other than one brought in a shop. All my friends; made "better" - boarder and more thinking persons than they were proir. Intelligent folk, business owners, high achievers, individuals and creatives.
You must be aware that the values cannabis instills into one goes diametrically against the very fabric of the "F*** *** Jack I'm alright thanks" mindset that captialism breeds upon?
You might start having time for people, giving to charity or buying second hand clothes and lowering your carbon footprint and recycling more- if you smoke cannabis.
Cannabis is partly illegal as it rubs against the very unpleasant and foul thinking see in programs like "The Apprentice". Self-ish greedy and small minded egoistic charletans of capitalism. These values go against any form of honest moral or social codes. Ask me these folk need something like Cannabis to help them!
Go and spend some time on a desert island and you'll find humanity.
Having travelled and lived in other cultures for brief periods I can say there are many different mindsets in cultures around the world. Cannabis doesn't fit in with the current "rat on wheel" endless merry-go-round that keeps us spending money and wasting our time as a species making corperations rich while we decay slowly.
We're endlessly searching to fill the empty voids left in our lives by the lack of humanity in western culture / total lack of spirituality so embraced by other cultures. That problem is solved by Cannabis as it might make you reject the forces dicating your destiny, for good or bad.
Last thing big business wants is a load of book reading intellectuals walking around in hemp clothing smoking Marijuana. They want you dumb, eager and brainless and in the shops buying yourself an identity. Everyone I know who uses Cannabis is seemingly a much stronger "individual".
Making everyone a black-sheep is counterproductive in socially engineered environments such as that of Western Capitalist models. Cannabis would go perfectly in hand with any number of other types of social regime. For the most part I believe the reason cannabis was on the 1972 drug law changes was that people were scared to death of the counterculture of the 1960's. The free-thinking.
Ask me this country needs more free thinkers to get the wheels of business running again. All I see around atm are a bunch of mindless youths failed by a useless education system.
I'll lay out some more later....there are hundreds. That's the REAL picture.
To say the government keep it illegal cause it's harmful, yes, it is, harmful. It's harmful in 100's of ways and none of them are scientifically linked to the human being. It's harmful to many things: none of them human; bar in their creation by humans.
I do wonder what it's like to be small minded. I imagine it must be a real scary place to be. I'll leave the blinkers on the barn door.David John Powell

The government keep it illegal for a whole range of reasons and public health considerations are a low priority on that list.

Higher priorities would be vast and huge hole to fill in the police, courts, probation and prison budgets and staffing levels: You find that there is a sharp decline in the level of time wasted by police on petty issues such as this and all the staff needed in the follow on steps to prosecution.

I know from my own criminal case there must be costs over £150,000 involved before they jail me. Months of paper pushing in back offices; typing out reports about the cannabis, it goes to different "experts", estimates, photos, statements, forensics, storage of the evidence, destruction, processing at magistrates, lawyers, experts, ushers, CPS lawyers, travelling time.

Imagine if 10% of the cases at court are cannabis related, maybe more. You need to find jobs for a large number of people who are currently employed within this shambolic prohibition "business". It's an economy of it's own. This money all filters back into the economy; it's a out of control train. It's a BIG shift to end prohibition; that's without the moral, rheotric, dogma and small minded attitudes that need to be changed.

It's a bigger issue than the non-exist harm cannabis causes to the user.

That's just one reason.

Maybe another. Big Business doesn't like Cannabis for numerous reasons. Business and Government are hand in hand.

Cannabis instills into people a greater level of empathy and humanity and ability to see through control and repression.

Everyone I know who is a dope user is a great person, role models honestly; alteast ideal models for the working classes who are currently lost without any form of identity thesedays other than one brought in a shop. All my friends; made "better" - boarder and more thinking persons than they were proir. Intelligent folk, business owners, high achievers, individuals and creatives.

You must be aware that the values cannabis instills into one goes diametrically against the very fabric of the "F*** *** Jack I'm alright thanks" mindset that captialism breeds upon?

You might start having time for people, giving to charity or buying second hand clothes and lowering your carbon footprint and recycling more- if you smoke cannabis.

Cannabis is partly illegal as it rubs against the very unpleasant and foul thinking see in programs like "The Apprentice". Self-ish greedy and small minded egoistic charletans of capitalism. These values go against any form of honest moral or social codes. Ask me these folk need something like Cannabis to help them!

Go and spend some time on a desert island and you'll find humanity.

Having travelled and lived in other cultures for brief periods I can say there are many different mindsets in cultures around the world. Cannabis doesn't fit in with the current "rat on wheel" endless merry-go-round that keeps us spending money and wasting our time as a species making corperations rich while we decay slowly.

We're endlessly searching to fill the empty voids left in our lives by the lack of humanity in western culture / total lack of spirituality so embraced by other cultures. That problem is solved by Cannabis as it might make you reject the forces dicating your destiny, for good or bad.

Last thing big business wants is a load of book reading intellectuals walking around in hemp clothing smoking Marijuana. They want you dumb, eager and brainless and in the shops buying yourself an identity. Everyone I know who uses Cannabis is seemingly a much stronger "individual".

Making everyone a black-sheep is counterproductive in socially engineered environments such as that of Western Capitalist models. Cannabis would go perfectly in hand with any number of other types of social regime. For the most part I believe the reason cannabis was on the 1972 drug law changes was that people were scared to death of the counterculture of the 1960's. The free-thinking.

Ask me this country needs more free thinkers to get the wheels of business running again. All I see around atm are a bunch of mindless youths failed by a useless education system.

I'll lay out some more later....there are hundreds. That's the REAL picture.

To say the government keep it illegal cause it's harmful, yes, it is, harmful. It's harmful in 100's of ways and none of them are scientifically linked to the human being. It's harmful to many things: none of them human; bar in their creation by humans.

I do wonder what it's like to be small minded. I imagine it must be a real scary place to be. I'll leave the blinkers on the barn door.

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mazari
10:01am Sun 18 Dec 11

@jovialcommonsense,

Interesting reply. Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) of which I am a member advocates the licensing and regulation of small 'personal' grows of up to 6 plants. My own objection to the current law is more on Human Rights grounds. Up until the age of 50 I had never once been in trouble with the law. I had worked hard since leaving school, had held down a demanding job, bought a nice home etc. Through much of that time I had used cannabis as a relaxant after a long day, in much the same way as my colleagues would go home and pour a G&T. I grew my own cannabis for probably 15 years, never bothering anybody else, I sat and smoked it in my own garden. One day 6 police officers came through my front door and removed my plants, searched my home and arrested me. I was fingerprinted, mugshot, had DNA extracted and was locked in a cell for 7 hours before questioning. The police were fine, my wife even made them a cup of tea! The leading officer said with in a few minutes it was 'personal'. One told me they were used to rooms full of 5 foot plants, mine were just 18"tall in full flower and I had taken years to genetically select just 2 strains. I walked out of the police station at 9pm and later received a caution. It took me just 48 hrs to find a local 'dealer', such is the abundance of cannabis in the UK today. This is how prohibition works, or rather fails, cannabis use will not go away, I know people from so many walks of life who use cannabis including several nurses, a teacher, a self employed central heating engineer, a senior civil servant of 28 years service, I could go on. I don't grow anymore and I don't keep the stuff around as I prefer to be free to speak my mind, but the bottom line for me is that cannabis (and other drug use) should be a health issue and not a criminal offence. many other EU countries are now moving in that direction. As for tobacco, well I don't know as I have never smoked the stuff beyond trying once at school! Bring cannabis into line with alcohol and tobacco, make it available only to over 18's and regulate it in the same manner, it IS actually a far less harmful substance after all as is statistically proven beyond any doubt.

@jovialcommonsense,
Interesting reply. Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) of which I am a member advocates the licensing and regulation of small 'personal' grows of up to 6 plants. My own objection to the current law is more on Human Rights grounds. Up until the age of 50 I had never once been in trouble with the law. I had worked hard since leaving school, had held down a demanding job, bought a nice home etc. Through much of that time I had used cannabis as a relaxant after a long day, in much the same way as my colleagues would go home and pour a G&T. I grew my own cannabis for probably 15 years, never bothering anybody else, I sat and smoked it in my own garden. One day 6 police officers came through my front door and removed my plants, searched my home and arrested me. I was fingerprinted, mugshot, had DNA extracted and was locked in a cell for 7 hours before questioning. The police were fine, my wife even made them a cup of tea! The leading officer said with in a few minutes it was 'personal'. One told me they were used to rooms full of 5 foot plants, mine were just 18"tall in full flower and I had taken years to genetically select just 2 strains. I walked out of the police station at 9pm and later received a caution. It took me just 48 hrs to find a local 'dealer', such is the abundance of cannabis in the UK today. This is how prohibition works, or rather fails, cannabis use will not go away, I know people from so many walks of life who use cannabis including several nurses, a teacher, a self employed central heating engineer, a senior civil servant of 28 years service, I could go on. I don't grow anymore and I don't keep the stuff around as I prefer to be free to speak my mind, but the bottom line for me is that cannabis (and other drug use) should be a health issue and not a criminal offence. many other EU countries are now moving in that direction. As for tobacco, well I don't know as I have never smoked the stuff beyond trying once at school! Bring cannabis into line with alcohol and tobacco, make it available only to over 18's and regulate it in the same manner, it IS actually a far less harmful substance after all as is statistically proven beyond any doubt.mazari

@jovialcommonsense,

Interesting reply. Cannabis Law Reform (CLEAR) of which I am a member advocates the licensing and regulation of small 'personal' grows of up to 6 plants. My own objection to the current law is more on Human Rights grounds. Up until the age of 50 I had never once been in trouble with the law. I had worked hard since leaving school, had held down a demanding job, bought a nice home etc. Through much of that time I had used cannabis as a relaxant after a long day, in much the same way as my colleagues would go home and pour a G&T. I grew my own cannabis for probably 15 years, never bothering anybody else, I sat and smoked it in my own garden. One day 6 police officers came through my front door and removed my plants, searched my home and arrested me. I was fingerprinted, mugshot, had DNA extracted and was locked in a cell for 7 hours before questioning. The police were fine, my wife even made them a cup of tea! The leading officer said with in a few minutes it was 'personal'. One told me they were used to rooms full of 5 foot plants, mine were just 18"tall in full flower and I had taken years to genetically select just 2 strains. I walked out of the police station at 9pm and later received a caution. It took me just 48 hrs to find a local 'dealer', such is the abundance of cannabis in the UK today. This is how prohibition works, or rather fails, cannabis use will not go away, I know people from so many walks of life who use cannabis including several nurses, a teacher, a self employed central heating engineer, a senior civil servant of 28 years service, I could go on. I don't grow anymore and I don't keep the stuff around as I prefer to be free to speak my mind, but the bottom line for me is that cannabis (and other drug use) should be a health issue and not a criminal offence. many other EU countries are now moving in that direction. As for tobacco, well I don't know as I have never smoked the stuff beyond trying once at school! Bring cannabis into line with alcohol and tobacco, make it available only to over 18's and regulate it in the same manner, it IS actually a far less harmful substance after all as is statistically proven beyond any doubt.

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jovialcommonsense
1:43pm Sun 18 Dec 11

Mazari, thank you for telling your experiences. I find the above the first sensible and reasoned argument from the pro cannabis group.
As I have stated before I am not pro or anti,but have concerns for the wider community because most problems are caused by a minority, with a selfish attitude.
I am happy to agree with your comment, especially the last sentence.

Mazari, thank you for telling your experiences. I find the above the first sensible and reasoned argument from the pro cannabis group.
As I have stated before I am not pro or anti,but have concerns for the wider community because most problems are caused by a minority, with a selfish attitude.
I am happy to agree with your comment, especially the last sentence.jovialcommonsense

Mazari, thank you for telling your experiences. I find the above the first sensible and reasoned argument from the pro cannabis group.
As I have stated before I am not pro or anti,but have concerns for the wider community because most problems are caused by a minority, with a selfish attitude.
I am happy to agree with your comment, especially the last sentence.

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mazari
3:06pm Wed 21 Dec 11

jovialcommonsense, thank you for your comment, it actually means a lot to me.

jovialcommonsense, thank you for your comment, it actually means a lot to me.mazari

jovialcommonsense, thank you for your comment, it actually means a lot to me.

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[deleted]
3:07pm Wed 21 Dec 11

[deleted]

jovialcommonsense, thank you for your comment, it actually means a lot to me.mazari

jovialcommonsense, thank you for your comment, it actually means a lot to me.

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stevester
2:54pm Thu 29 Dec 11

Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !

I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .

At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .

There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?

Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !
I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .
At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .
There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?stevester

Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !

I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .

At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .

There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?

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2:55pm Thu 29 Dec 11

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Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !
I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .
At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .
There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?stevester

Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !

I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .

At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .

There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?

Score: 0

[deleted]
2:55pm Thu 29 Dec 11

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Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !
I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .
At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .
There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?stevester

Why do the police insist in going after cannabis all the time when class A drugs are much more dangerous ? You would think the police would be targeting drugs that have can and will kill people . When was the last time the police were in the new standing beside a pile of heroin or cocaine ? I cant remember its been that long !

I believe that if the cannabis was for their own personal use and to be used in the privacy of their own home then there is no crime there period . If anything they were doing the police a favour by not buying cannabis from local criminals and gangs who use that cash to buy guns to kill the police .

At the end of the day it is against your human rights for someone / the Government to tell you what you can and cant put in your own body or do with your body . Remember it used to be a sin , criminal act in the UK to be homosexual does anybody remember the aids propaganda and so on .

There are some sad comments here and some sad victims of the prohibitionist propaganda machine and if you think the Government is correct in keeping drugs illegal against all the evidence then ask yourself this . Why is our Government agreeing with criminals , gangs and terrorists that drugs should remain illegal ? And why do they let GW Pharma make sativex when wee told cannabis has no medical value ?

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10:36am Mon 2 Jan 12

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"West Mercia Police says...
12:02pm Tue 13 Dec 11"
The groundswell of opinion around the world is that the war on drugs is a costly failure. There are many groups who out of their own self interest will always oppose the normalisation and regulation of cannabis. The West Mercia Police drug squad and its members will be amongst them because they fear for their Jobs because we wouldn't need so many of them any more. If cannabis were regulated we would save millions of pounds of taxpayers money, prison space would be freed up so that the judicial system could start dealing with serious and violent crime more effectively and the absolute horror of having to watch peoples civil liberties being booted in at their front door ended. Can someone from the west mercia police please tell us how much the operation to bust this address cost us the taxpayer and maybe enlighten us to how this is a great result when they know themselves that under the current sentencing guidelines these people will be given a slap on the wrist at court??? Where are the news reports and photos of your officers busting heroin dealers?? Maybe there is less interest in heroin dealers since the UK and USA are helping to enable the production of it in Afghanistan!! Anyone who thinks this is tax payers money well spent is deluded.normaloister

"West Mercia Police says...
12:02pm Tue 13 Dec 11"

The groundswell of opinion around the world is that the war on drugs is a costly failure. There are many groups who out of their own self interest will always oppose the normalisation and regulation of cannabis. The West Mercia Police drug squad and its members will be amongst them because they fear for their Jobs because we wouldn't need so many of them any more. If cannabis were regulated we would save millions of pounds of taxpayers money, prison space would be freed up so that the judicial system could start dealing with serious and violent crime more effectively and the absolute horror of having to watch peoples civil liberties being booted in at their front door ended. Can someone from the west mercia police please tell us how much the operation to bust this address cost us the taxpayer and maybe enlighten us to how this is a great result when they know themselves that under the current sentencing guidelines these people will be given a slap on the wrist at court??? Where are the news reports and photos of your officers busting heroin dealers?? Maybe there is less interest in heroin dealers since the UK and USA are helping to enable the production of it in Afghanistan!! Anyone who thinks this is tax payers money well spent is deluded.

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mary james
12:12pm Mon 2 Jan 12

i'm assuming that the first two warrants served involved the terrorising of two innocent families by this apparent gang of police thugs. front door removed whilst family still asleep and invasion by big men in aggressive uniform is not justified by the failed 'war on drugs'..........back to the station to regroup and then we find...a crossbow...wow, great use of resources.

lazy work by senior officers looking to tick boxes and send messages rather than preventing real crime.

i'm assuming that the first two warrants served involved the terrorising of two innocent families by this apparent gang of police thugs. front door removed whilst family still asleep and invasion by big men in aggressive uniform is not justified by the failed 'war on drugs'..........back to the station to regroup and then we find...a crossbow...wow, great use of resources.
lazy work by senior officers looking to tick boxes and send messages rather than preventing real crime.mary james

i'm assuming that the first two warrants served involved the terrorising of two innocent families by this apparent gang of police thugs. front door removed whilst family still asleep and invasion by big men in aggressive uniform is not justified by the failed 'war on drugs'..........back to the station to regroup and then we find...a crossbow...wow, great use of resources.

lazy work by senior officers looking to tick boxes and send messages rather than preventing real crime.

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