In saying this, Hannigan is continuing his government’s resolute denial of the reality of the global jihad. His remarks here are just a more sophisticated way of saying that jihadis were “radicalized on the Internet.” And characteristically, instead of confronting the ideology that the jihadis are taught on the Internet, and asking themselves why Muslims in the U.K. are so susceptible to it after they’ve ostensibly been learning all about their Religion of Peace at their local mosque, they’re going after Facebook and Twitter.

They will learn, probably too late, that Facebook and Twitter are not the cause of their troubles, and that if they develop ways to track jihadis more easily on both, the jihadis will just find other ways to communicate. The real cause of their troubles is an ideology that they have pretended does not exist or does not have nearly the reach, resonance, and roots that it actually does have.

GCHQ is Government Communications Headquarters, an intelligence organization in the UK. “Britain’s spy chief says US tech firms aid terrorism,” by Steven Swinford, the Telegraph, November 3, 2014:

Technology giants such as Facebook and Twitter have become “the command and control networks of choice” for terrorists and criminals but are “in denial” about the scale of the problem, the new head of GCHQ has said.

Robert Hannigan said that Isil terrorists in Syria and Iraq have “embraced the web” and are using it to intimidate people and inspire “would-be jihadis” from all over the World to join them.

He urged the companies to work more closely with the security services, arguing that it is time for them to confront “some uncomfortable truths” and that privacy is not an “absolute right”.

He suggested that unless US technology companies co-operate, new laws will be needed to ensure that intelligence agencies are able to track and pursue terrorists.

His comments represent some of the most outspoken criticism yet of US technology giants by the security services, and come amid growing tensions following leaks by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

In an article for the Financial Times, Mr Hannigan said: “I understand why they [US technology companies] have an uneasy relationship with governments. They aspire to be neutral conduits of data and to sit outside or above politics.

“But increasingly their services not only host the material of violent extremism or child exploitation, but are the routes for the facilitation of crime and terrorism.

“However much they may dislike it, they have become the command-and-control networks of choice for terrorists and criminals, who find their services as transformational as the rest of us.

“GCHQ is happy to be part of a mature debate on privacy in the digital age. But privacy has never been an absolute right and the debate about this should not become a reason for postponing urgent and difficult decisions.”…

Sure, but all three — the GCHQ, Facebook and Twitter — are much more likely to target foes of jihad than its advocates.

Hannigan wants to make Facebook and Twitter “confront “some uncomfortable truths” so the deluded PC-MC UK government can shift some blame to a convenient target. Somehow the problem is always elsewhere, with an entity which can be further regulated or taxed. The real enemy, to them, is everyone who uses a Facebook or Twitter account.

The Facebook pages and Twitter accounts of recent jihadis publicly proclaimed their loyalties to IS and jihad! PUBLICLY. IS is openly documenting their crimes against humanity and western governments are coming up with rehab programs. What “privacy” concern is even relevant under these circumstances?

Back in the 1990s, before Facebook and Twitter, ‘experts’ claimed the Internet was a “game-changer”. Same song, different verse. Western governments are always looking for an enemy who won’t fight back, always looking for a path which does not necessitate questioning their many delusions about Islam. Those in charge want to shift blame and do something which looks like action
without actually taking on Islam and jihad.

Nothing suggests any meaningful course correction by those in charge of protecting innocent people. Anjem Choudary just appeared on 60 Minutes. Would you like me to DVR it and send it to you, Mr. Hannigan? Or is it necessary to clamp down on Facebook to figure out he’s a jihad recruiter?

”Where Her Majesty’s most likely place refuge will be when those misguided peaceful jihadis storm Buckingham Palace, break the good crystal, and pee on the carpets ?

Will she actually leave the sceptered Isle ? Flee to Scotland / Wales / a small undisclosed bosky dell in (perish the thought !) once subjugated Ireland ?”

First of all, your imagined scenario will never take place. Why ? Because I, and millions of people like me, will make damn sure it never does. Perhaps you didn’t see my post of Paul Weston’s speech to the EDL, in London. So before you start gleefully anticipating my country’s fall into death and dhimmitude, you should watch that video.

As for the Queen, and the Royal Family; well, in your imagined scenario, I would expect her, and the rest of them, to do **exactly** what the ‘government’ tells her to do. They are a group of people who are quite convinced they are different from the rest of us. She, (the Queen) has been brought up from birth to believe she is special, set apart, and while I don’t necessarily blame her for this, (it’s what she has been brought up to believe) this mindset will, in the end, drive her to do whatever will best protect her, and her family’s, ultra privileged position. I may be wronging her, but I don’t think so.

The **only** member of the ‘Royal’ Family, who might **possibly** see a responsibility to his country, rather than the status quo, is Prince Harry, by virtue of his service in Afghanistan. And I might very well be wrong about him, also.

In any event, what the Royal Family may do, or not do, is irrelevant. It is what the British **people** will do, that matters. And I believe we will fight, as I certainly will do.

You may think you can stop the coming war, and you may have a good chance of winning it. But before the blood is flowing on the streets, and the traitorous political leadership and bureaucracy finds themselves hanging from lampposts, any move you make to really protect your nation will find you in jail (see the case of Paul Weston, whom you mentioned – arrested for speaking his mind, or others like like Tommy Robinson – arrested for being assaulted). This is the simple and sad reality.

War is always inevitable. Churchill’s warning of the gathering storm last century was as unheeded as today’s warnings. And in the centuries previous, wise and respected men foresaw and warned of the bloodlettings (such as the devastating Thirty Years’ War) and were powerless to stop them. Nothing has changed in human nature. This is what Churchill characterized as the unteachability of mankind.

I have begun the transition from worrying about the fate of my nation, to planning for the safety of my family. I can do no more. My prior military service has done nothing to end the growing threat, and any public activism puts me in direct danger of attack by Mohammedan fanatics or arrest by traitorous policemen. The black banners of jihad fly openly in my city in Canada, and a direct attack on our Parliament does not even force a mention of Islam out of my previously respected PM’s mouth.

Exactly, I was disappointed too as I was expecting Mr. Harper to stand up & speak the whole truth, instead all he could utter was ‘terrorist act’ without ever mentioning the islamic ideology which drove these men to commit terrorist act. Moreover despite the suggestions & warning from several security analyst (like David Harris & others) the govt. has actually increased the immigration, including from terror exporting countries like Pakistan, intake for the coming year.
Can’t trust any politician anymore.

Your not as far of base as you may thin k you are.
Have you ever seen the BBC TV series Britain’s Nazi King.
Edward the Eight and his Hitler adoring wife, Wallace Simpson went to see Adolf Hitler and agreed to support the Nazi invasion of Britain in exchange for being restored to the throne and his wife crowned Queen of England.
This piece of shit should of been hanged for High Treason but the wonderful Winston Churchill ordered the evidence sealed to save King George and his family from the shame and embarrassment a treason trial would of brought.
Don’t believe me??? The evidence is available for anyone that wants to check it out.
The bottom line being that if push comes to shove, the British Royal Family will do whatever is necessary to protect their privilaged asses, Prince Harry excepted. ( God bless him)

@ Jayboo
Britain’s Nazi King – YouTubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXamWEGhBg
Please Google ” Britain’s Nazi King” and you will get enough proof, including recently released FBI files to convince you.
Check out the photos of Edward the Eight sucking up to Adolph Hitler if you don’t believe me

I’m not sure speculation is needed when the facts are at hand. Given that Her Majesty is monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland she’d be more than welcome in all three locations within the UK that you mention. I do suspect that in particular she and her family would be very welcome in Ulster, Northern Ireland, where the British monarchy largely enjoys passionate and unwavering support from the clear majority of citizens who live there. What’s more, Northern Ireland has the lowest amount of Muslims and mosques in the UK, which for obvious reasons would be useful, if as you postulated, the royals had to retreat from ‘jihadi terrorists storming Buckingham palace’ and as a result became forced to flee England. There are numerous army bases, plus they have a world renowned police force who have experience at soundly defeating cowardly civilian slaughtering terrorists. All of this would be very handy for such a situation.

The Orange extremists in Northern Ireland want to be “British” not so much for any great love of Britian or the UK, but to get the British to fork out money to suppórt their little statlet there. In 1912 they formed a private army to pevent the British from giving authonnomy to Ireland with a parliamente in Dublin. They are an absurd tirbal bunch who seem to have remained in the 17th century when their forefathers were “planted” there and the land of the Irish was taken from them to give it to the “panters”. It used to be more developed than the rest of Ireland, but not any more. Plus, although there is a maority of Orange types, the percentage of nationalists is about 45%. Most of them have no love for any queen or fututre king.

TH – I’m not sure what an “orange extremist” is but I guess they are are so called “Islamophobes” as well. If someone is a British citizen living in Northern Ireland they do not ‘want’ to be British, they are British. That is a very simple fact. It may change in the future or it may not. The same can be said for any country. In terms of reference to the year 1912 and what was then the rejection of ‘home rule’ and the formation of a large local volunteer force to resist the governments plans, this indeed happened. Many thousands of those volunteers went on to enlist and die with the British Army’s 36th (Ulster) Division, fighting on the Western Front in 1914. Not only well organised, but trained as a military force, they had been armed so were considerably more advanced as a formed body of men than the similar formations of the new armies being created elsewhere. I personally think there is something to be said for such ‘volunteer forces’, ie local people coming together when totalitarian threats loom in their midst. Either way, these brave young men who died defending our freedoms are rightly commemorated and celebrated to this day, by many people across the globe. Read your history please.

The best thing that could happen is for jihadists to storm Buckingham Palace! Then the theresa mays and assorted political clowns of this world wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. But as long as jihadists attack the man and woman in the street / metro / supermarket, or wherever, the British government will just trot out the same mantra about the religion of peace being perverted by a tiny handful of extremists.

I agree, I live in Britain, I thought all this was an exaggeration, but lo and behold, it is much worse than I thought, I thought Spencer was a radical, haha, he is just conscious. We are living in a nightmare here in Britain, I am looking for jobs outside Britain because it is very unconfortable to live here and listening people blaming Israel and Jews, for quranic problems.
Instead of looking at themselves they steadfastly keep repeating the same mantra, up to when people will swallow such lies??

And you are conscious. It is sad to hear people talking about clearing off rather than staying and helping to enlighten the unconscious (I understand that you are not British so it’s not your responsibility).

Once we were lions led by donkeys. Now we are dormice led by weasels.

And yes, sadly it’s going to take some dreadful attack on the elite to wake us up.

Yes sir, Britain had great leaders, specially Churchill, is a country opened to all, but people abused, a good part of the immigrants live from benefits, instead of contributing on the economy, and still spit on the system been protected by it, you sir, cannot complain about it without been tagged as a bigot, instead of realist.
Even the Guardian readers are aware of it by now. The blame the west for everything is getting eroded. Why only Islamic countries repeat the mantra of colonization? Why is that?
Unfortunately there was not a discrimination on the immigration policy, it became a free for all, big mistake. The benefits system allows Muslims to have large families at the expense of the tax payers, and they feel perfectly entitled to it. You are losing your country before your very eyes, it is very sad indeed.
Hope, things turn out for the better at some point

”They will learn, probably too late, that Facebook and Twitter are not the cause of their troubles, and that if they develop ways to track jihadis more easily on both, the jihadis will just find other ways to communicate.”

I am more cynical than Robert.

I don’t believe for one second, that the government is targeting Facebook and Twitter, ” because Technology giants such as Facebook and Twitter have become “the command and control networks of choice” for terrorists and criminals … ”

No. The government is targeting Facebook and Twitter because such outlets provide a vehicle for those opposed to the government, and its pro-immigrant, pro-muslim, pro EU, and anti-government policy stands.

Saying that terrorists and criminals use it, is just an excuse for shutting it down. There is nothing more anathema to government, ( certainly the governments of the 21st Century) than the idea that there is a media over which they have little or no control, free to post and discuss issues which the governments would prefer no-one would know about, far less discuss and argue about.

My country is falling further and further into totalitarianism. This is just yet another sample.

Well, this has happened to other countries, in the past. The enemies of freedom, and everything decent, good, and happy, are legion. The only thing decent people of good will, those who value the benefits of a free society, those who love and celebrate humanity can do, is fight these scum with everything that is in them.

We *may* lose, but I would rather go down on the side of right and decency, than float amongst the turds. But I don’t think we’ll lose. Just look at the erstwhile USSR; a foul government, based on the exact same principles as our so-called ‘leaders’ would love to have, if they could. There is no USSR, now, and while I don’t remotely think the Russia of today is perfect, or to be emulated, it is not the Russia of the KGB, and the Politbureau.

In the end, goodness and decency will prevail. I **profoundly** believe that.

You’re more cynical, Mirren, per your claim, than even Robert Spencer, and you are convinced that your “country is falling further and further into totalitarianism.” Well, all I have to say to that is keep up the good thinking. Would that were millions upon millions like you in Britain. But, waxing optimistic like, perhaps there already are.

Take care, my friend, over there across the pond. What a critical moment Britain is in yet again. I certainly hope it does come through, but it can’t (nor can any other Western nation) as long as Islam cannot quite openly and publicly be described, including by the bulk of the still clueless elites, as something not to be respected, as something definitely to be scorned, as something that no sensible and knowledgeable person should ever believe can be reconciled with traditional Western notions of liberty and equality under the law.

In fact, any non-Muslim person in the West who believes Islam can be reconciled with freedom et al., and should be no more criticized, if criticized at all, than any other major religion is either a fool or a traitor. Lots of fools still out there and the supply of traitors seems to be increasing at the moment and not declining. Hopefully this will change sooner rather than later.

I don’t think that command-and-control is the same thing as indoctrination. Indoctrination implies that the listener is still learning; command-and-control means that he’s already trained and on board and ready to go. So I think that this spy chef is actually on to something.

At least since Bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa, and recently in the Sept. 21st fatwa from IS, in addition to countless other fatwas in between, the goal of the global jihad is to eliminate command and control entirely. The fatwas say attacks on civilians and military by any means available are fard ayn, an individual duty on every Muslim under sharia.

Jihadis implant and exploit the religion which is unregulated or even off limits to law enforcement. The Quran and Hadith are sufficient to create motive and justification. Western mosques and Islamic schools, usually secretly, reinforce the indoctrination.

The jihadi fatwas tell their disciples to plan and execute jihad locally. There is no need for coordination or travel.

After the attack Muslims claim victim status and allow the media to air their grievances and dawah to gain power and more recruits.

For these jihadis the command and control is within their believe systems and starts in their heads.

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I followed a line of videos – that showed mass protests – across several countries in North Africa – calling for an Islamic state. [And against laïcité.]

Although I was confused at first about the time line – and so their significance – I realized that they were held shortly before the Islamic State’s or the IS Caliphate’s formation.

But such events are out of the British security service’s control. And likely these North Africans did not need to spend hours on the internet – most of whom don’t have connection to – except through internet cafes – to hear their message.

It is all a bit China.

The idea that you can enclose your population – in some sort of warm secure glow – and apart from the unwanted influences of the world – is wishful thinking.

Try as they may – the Iranian government tries to control access to the outside world through the internet – and fails.

This is the new reality for everybody.

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What is called ‘hate speech’ is the so-called radicals throwing out Koran verses – placing the battered old verses in a context with which they might be applied – and the difference is only that the internet allows others to more readily hear it. But there has been Muslim bookstores – it has long been complaints about what is written in these books.

Although no one wants to be attacked – the problem with changes to the law – is that there is always-always leakage in how they are applied.

Someone who doesn’t want to live under shari’a law might become the new radical – even as they conspire to attack no one.

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Because of Islam – everyone’s life is being changed.

The real question is how much can a free society accommodate – and still remain free?

Karl Popper wrote the following about threats to an open society way back in 1945. Of course the the threat of most recent memory in 1945 was the nazis, but it is remarkable how well his statement could be applicable to the present situation with islam.

“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. – In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”

It’s way beyond Facebook and Twitter. Its about the new technology being the conduit for the revenge of … the Gates of Vienna defeat in the late 1600’s, the end of the mighty Ottomans at the hands of the Euros in 1915. Better deal with it now. The Iranian attempt at equalizing the game must be stopped , hence a class of civilizations is very near.

The point that is missed that internet or not it has not stopped the persecution of Other and subjugation of women.

Did Muslims have the internet in the seventh century? No.

Did it stop Muslims justify the killing of Other with exactly the same Islamic textual rational as today? No.

If the internet was taken out now would it stop the Islamic terror against Other? No. What happens adaptation, that is all that is happening with the internet.

Clearly terror may slow that is all – do the victims feel any better they are a part of a smaller number being brutalized each day?

Utilising the ‘internet’ as the reason terror occurs ignores a truth the Muslim adherents have to be already primed infant-child-adolescent years of age with the Islamic prejudice to be able to actually use the ethical schema in their Muslim minds which informs terror is justified and authorised within the bounds of the Islamic rational model.

The damage has been done before a child-adolescent can cognitively utilise the information contained on the internet to key directly into a pre-existing Islamic mental schema which authorize terrors use – otherwise Muslim terror could not possibly exist.

It is what happens before adherents get their hands on the internet which is the cause of Muslim terror.

Yes it’s FaceBook & Twitter that are to blame and they are part of the evil if the companies would only cooperate and if not we wil make laws and use your platform to spy. Where and when have we heard this before folks? Shame on this petty bureaucrat to decide the future of country’s freedom. Even in the darkest hours of WW2 they didn’t envision the permanent usurpation of rights. Answering my own question about where we heard this blithering crap of an excuse for MI5 & MI6 shortcomings it’s CHINA & IRAN followed by another Arab ME country. So this idiot because he can’t out-think his opponent blames a third party, want to take our rights away and control the populace like CHINA & IRAN. Now framed in this context I hope you readers out there don’t fall for his dribble. The job is too big for him they someone not making excuses and trying to come up with strategies to defeat the enemy. Think Robert Spenser would agree that the first step Is IDing the enemy and this means profiling. This war is about ideas and a way of life. It is not about land or money. There is the threat you see shouting Allu Akbar and then there is the stealth component of MB writing text books for our kids K-12 and College. Then there are both the use idiot professors and the actual strategically placed MB or connected professors. The point is this so called Security Expert/Chief is focused on a communication medium and has completely lost sight of the picture

It cites the Sima Kotecha article for the BBC which cites the discredited figures of TellMama, and HopenotHate, in order to equate the far right with ISIS. And who are the far-right? That’s code for the likes of us.

Coming shortly after Theresa May’s talk of denying access to social media to whoever the government consider extremist, it looks as though we can expect increasing pressure and loss of freedoms in order to protect community cohesion (and the real enemy).

Meanwhile in the US the IRS investigates and harasses conservative groups and Holder demonizes police departments. The Obola edict to federal agencies and law enforcement is do not do any surveillance on imams or mosques.

Get rid of Obummer and the likes of Harry Reid and Eric Holder, otherwise America will have a grim future and Israel will have one less all ally.

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