>>1251707Buses are only suitable as a feeder service for areas to connect to a train or some kind of rapid transit.Anything more than that is a failure to properly understand what a bus is for.Having to transfer from one bus to another bus just to get from A to B is a failure to properly implement buses.It's one thing to have to get a bus from A to transfer onto a train, and then transfer onto a bus again after getting off the train, as that's last mile sort of stuff, but when you're then going from bus to bus, something is wrong.

>>1251707>be hamburg tram>senate (what we call the city government of hamburg) decides to kill you>your last line got replaced by bus route 102 in 1978>bus route 102 was quickly one of the most used bus routes of the city>30 years later that same bus route, now rebranded metrobus 5, is over capacity to the point that they ran double-articulated buses for a decade and today run up to 18 buses per hour for the main portion>literally is considered the most used bus route in europe, besides the istanbul metrobüs which is half in Asia>because the double-articulated buses proved to be prone to failure, all got replaced by CapaCity L buses that desperately lack seating>bus priority signalling literally doesn't give buses priority>new underground metro line to replace metrobus 5 will not be finished before 2033>our former mayor (now minister of finances in the federal government) literally seethed every time a journalist uttered the words "Straßenbahn" or "Stadtbahn"

>>1251822It gets better. Around the University, it shares its corridor with another bus line (line 4) for a total of 30 buses per hour during peak times. But they never serve in a steady frequency, mainly because of the already mentioned failed bus priority

It's the same in Kiel. Abolished the trams in the 80s, now we get like 25 buses per hour on the main street of the campus. I mean I like it, I just need to leave my dorm and a bus is arriving but imagine actually choosing those dirty diesel buses over energy-powered trams

>>1251826West Berlin did the same thing though. I have no idea if Berlin is planning to reopen old dismantled tram lines though. I think they've already spent huge amounts modernising the tram lines in the east of the city though.If there's one thing the GDR got right, it was that trams were the way to go.

>>1251826>imagine actually choosing those dirty diesel buses over energy-powered trams>As if electricity transmitted over powerlines aren't generated by fossil fuel>As if diesels aren't energy>As if there are actually any real effect from this other than slight decade in air quality

>>1251708And if you're traveling only about 25km? Why would you take any train? That would in most places be way more expensive and more difficult to do as well. If, however, you live in more rural areas and not the city center.

>>1251707>tfw my city just spent the last couple of years revamping the bus system into a network based on bus transfers>but lines haven't even been sped up nor frequencies improved over previous trunk line service>it's shit, doesn't work, everyone hates it, but politicians still try to pass it off as a successJ U S TUST

>>1251817Stadtbahn Hamburg would have been excellent>>1251829>I have no idea if Berlin is planning to reopen old dismantled tram lines thoughThey already re-extended the present tram lines into the west and are currently building tram lines everywhere. Stillsort of makes you wonder why they had to close them in the first place. A lot of it had to do with the cold war and the separation of the city. >>1253237>>As if electricity transmitted over powerlines aren't generated by fossil fuel>>As if there are actually any real effect from this other than slight decade in air qualityRenewable energies accounted for 40.4% of all electricity generated in Germany this year. That is a significant decrease in fossil fuel use and all the associated problems if you compare diesel busses with trams. And you shouldn't underestimate the improvement in air quality. The central square and bus hub of my city currently suffers from extreme particle pollution because there are fucktons of busses and cars coming through. I'd hate to see how it would be if there weren't four tram lines running right underneath it.

>>1253256I had the pleasure to go to Barcelona for a week about 6 years ago and also use some of the public transport there. What exactly did they change? Is this a separate network of lines just for the city center and everything else stops at the border? Honestly can't understand what that plan is supposed to show.

>>1253294>Renewable energies accounted for 40.4% of all electricity generated in Germany this year. That is a significant decrease in fossil fuel use and all the associated problems if you compare diesel busses with trams. However, if you switch from tram to buses, then for sure electric companies would be cutting their fossil fuel sourced electricity generation first instead of cutting renewable energy. Therefore the energy source for those tram line can still be described as dependent on fossil fuel.

>And you shouldn't underestimate the improvement in air quality. The central square and bus hub of my city currently suffers from extreme particle pollution because there are fucktons of busses and cars coming through. I'd hate to see how it would be if there weren't four tram lines running right underneath it.>underground tram linewhatwhy not metronot enough demand?

>>1251707Bus transfer is only practical in three situation:- Bus service interval are less than 10 minutes- The bus service was actually planned with connection in mind and schedule would change according to when the buses arrive- The area is closed so bus transfer is the only way to get to the destination

>>1253459>Bus transfer is only practical in three situation:>- Bus service interval are less than 10 minutes>- The bus service was actually planned with connection in mind and schedule would change according to when the buses arrive>- The area is closed so bus transfer is the only way to get to the destinationyou know somewhere out there there is a once every hour bus that has a timed transfer that it always shows up a minute late for

>>1253398>However, if you switch from tram to buses, then for sure electric companies would be cutting their fossil fuel sourced electricity generation first instead of cutting renewable energy. Therefore the energy source for those tram line can still be described as dependent on fossil fuel.I don't understand this argument. Can you explain it to me as if I were five years old?

>>underground tram line>what>why not metro>not enough demand?It's Western Germany. The cities here all either fell for the Stadtbahn meme or switched to busses entirely. Yes, there would be more than enough demand for a metro by now - at least during peak hours. And considering the fact that busses and especially cars are causing huge traffic and pollution problems in the city, there will probably soon be more than enough demand for either>converting the Stadtbahn into a goddamn metroor>building the same number of new tram lines overground

But you have to consider the historical context, you know. Prior to 1990, when the city finally got its Stadtbahn, there was only a tiny-ass system of three tram lines, and they still decided to do it. Certainly a huge upgrade over what it used to be.

Another solution to the air and traffic problems to build a functional bike path network, but nobody to the right of the Greens can be assed to do that.

>>1253567>>However, if you switch from tram to buses, then for sure electric companies would be cutting their fossil fuel sourced electricity generation first instead of cutting renewable energy. Therefore the energy source for those tram line can still be described as dependent on fossil fuel.>I don't understand this argument. Can you explain it to me as if I were five years old? For instance, if a place us generating 100GW electricity. 50GW from renewable, 50GW from fossil fuel. including maybe 10GW coal 20GW petroleum 20GW natural gas generator. Now you take 10GW electricity load away from the network by using internal combustion engines instead. Which generators would you shut down to remove the excess capacity? Would you shut down those renewable energy source proportionally or would you shut down all the coal generators first?

>>1253318The map shows bus lines, but only some bus lines which are part of the "new bus network", and they aren't faster or more frequent than regular trunk bus lines. They mostly replaced other lines with these lines (in practice it was just changing around bus lines), sometimes combining parts of other lines, or altering the route somewhat. It was a fucking retarded idea since day 1. In the beginning the idea was to create a series of BRT lines which would branch out outside the city centre, eventually that idea (which was pretty retarded in its own right) got watered down into that abomination.

>>1251740>>1251788>>1253292The RE4 was a short lived train line in 1995/96 between Potsdam and Cottbus. In Potsdam it used the Berlin Outer Ring and terminated in Potsdam Pirschheide, which it outside the actual city and has no direct rail connection to the central station Potsdam Stadt (today Hbf). A tram feeder was set up that was labeled as RE4 to Cottbus. In the map it's the thin green line.

>>1254964Tuen Mun Road interchange is better. With route 301, you see it's about East Rail transfers from necessity of cross-harbour. Shatin-Central Link isn't going to open up in full till the disaster gets fixed. It's back to the pre- Eastern Harbour Crossing and Tung Chung Line days.