Claude is Claude speed,and the vance crime family was before and u would think there would be some members left.

1. Claude Speed and Claude aren't confirmed to be the same person.

2. The Vance Crime Family was extremly likely to have been dissolved after Vic and Lance left it. Even if there were some remnants, it wouldn't be likely that they would manage to kill Tommy Verrcetti.

3. The guy in the beginning of Vice City is definetly NOT Vic Vance. --PBello 19:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

1. its pretty obvious that Claude is Claude speed,they look the same and they dress the same.

2.like i said they would be still some members of the vance crime family and still would be close to lance.

3. if that wasn't vic then who was it. and why wasn't vic in vice city.--User:lozzy94

how could CJ have been killed by salvatore when sal's in LC and Carls in san andreas? And I have neither played Vice city, or the stories version, but I how can you be so certain that the guy at the beggining is Vic? --GTAddict 13:28, January 7, 2010 (UTC)