Thursday, August 28, 2008

The following is from 911truth.org, extra info and back-up for the claims made have been added in the form of hyperlinks and bracketed text.

THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

We are continuing to compile the best documentation links for every single point on this page, and intend to post the updated version as soon as possible, and create teaching tools and more from the info. This is a significant and time-consuming process--if you have useful links, please send them to janice[at]911truth[dot]org. Thanks for your help! If you use the search function with title key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the NY Attorney General Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola''s faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

So Orion, you are running as a Balanced Party candidate. How did the conception of the Balanced Party come about, and why do you think it's a good alternative for voters?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

In November 2004, 21% of the voter population put the current poor leadership into office, and another 20+% voted for the Democrats who ran with their tail between their legs when the results were left uncontested. 60% of the voter population let others make the decision for them, as already feeling left out in the cold.

I was fed up with the poor leadership already and the lack of the sense of responsibility that they demonstrate for our nation as a people. My immediate concerns were the health, safety and welfare of my family which cannot be assured unless it is for our nation.

Spending the next few years, plans were drafted for the New Deal. This now provides a compelling alternative for Election 2008. It is to reform government and the economy, so we as individuals, communities, and as a nation are empowered with a strategic future.

I believe that 80% of the voter population can be inspired to vote for the New Deal regardless of their personal differences and political followings. They can find a solid common ground in the Balanced Party.

JMT-Q:

Yes, it really does seem many Americans are fed up with the two party system. There seems to be more political theatre that goes on as opposed to actual solutions. I'm going to touch on a few of the big issues today with you Orion. First one on most voters’ minds is of course Iraq.

Do you believe we should have ever engaged in this war to begin with? Secondly, how do you propose we put an end to this mess we have gotten ourselves into?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

To answer the first part of your question JM I would say that the justification that Saddam was in bed with al Qaeda even if this was true, I would have rather invested our resources in Afghanistan and complete the job as much as possible there. We owed it to the American People to capture bin Laden, and not let him slip off the radar when he sneaked out of Tora Bora. Saddam also had no interest in al Qaeda, as in being a dictator would not need that type of distraction in Iraq.

The notion of Weapons of Mass Destruction was also dismissed by the UN security council, as remembering vividly the weapons inspector’s statements, and that Iraq was providing full cooperation with the inspections. Also we have to consider that today we all can enjoy Google Earth. The military I would hazard a guess should have been watching Iraq in the same manner for years if it had such a concern. The photos from the Cuban Missile crisis demonstrated WMD, and not Iraq. We also left Iraq very little wiggle room with respect to the no fly zone as well.

About being a threat to the region, and / or invading the US, as Rumsfeld had boasted, that it would only take about 6 days to topple Saddam's regime. So the question is posed - what threat?

About Freeing the Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam, I want to put some conditions about this answer. Let’s assume that before considering this, that we had not burnt our bridges with the World Court, and the UN Security Council. Let’s also assume, unrelated to bin Laden, that we were genuinely concerned about the Iraqi people like we should have been with Darfur. I would send in a special opts team, and take Saddam to the World Court. I would have them leave a message behind to have fair elections, or they will be visiting the World Court as well.

For the above purposes, an invasion in Iraq was not warranted. But let’s consider why it could be. During the Gas shortage in the 70's, we almost invaded Saudi Arabia in order to get to the Aramco reserves. In theory from an arrogant point of view, we could practice Manifest Destiny in Iraq, put in our own puppet government, (like that had before Saddam), and then some how secure America's stake in middle east oil. The fallacies with this are that where ever we have put a puppet government in place, they have fallen. Cuba, Iran, and Vietnam are some immediate examples.

It was obvious to me, 'John Q Public' that we had no good reason for invading Iraq in 2003. Further, I did not like the way the head of the Democratic lead Senate rolled over one day from an absolute staunch opposing position to the invasion. Many had seemed to take the position in Congress, that they would give a vote of Confidence to Bush, although having no basis for it.

It was also predictable that in invading Iraq, and imposing a puppet government as a political solution that there would be civil war and where our brave soldiers would be caught in the middle of urban house to house fighting. Offering 12 million voters very little choice in Iraq is not a true election.

What invading Iraq did serve is bin Laden's interest in bleeding and weakening our military reserves while building a perception of dislike for American's from Muslims, re-allocating our National Guard that should be protecting our borders and ports instead, a lot of serious military and munitions contracting.

What it has cost is as we know over 3,500 American lives, and a magnitude (10 times) more in severely wounded Americans, and a weakening of our economy from borrowing and incurring extensive foreign debt for financing our practice of imminent domain through manifest destiny. It has also cost well over 650,000 Iraqi lives, and I would hazard a guess that for every one killed that there are 10 wounded, and cost our friendship with our allies in Europe. It will additionally cost much healing time for the Iraqi vets, even if they are able to come home in one piece.

This act of invasion itself deserves due process of discovery once the Bush Administration is no longer in office.

As far as how I believe we should get ourselves out of Iraq it is apparent that as of today, most American's would just like to end the Iraq war, and bring our people home with no further delay. For a politician running for the Presidency, it is more than easy to just promise the immediate withdrawal, and pass the mess off to the UN that we had made there.

I believe that the Repubs have a point that in some so called phased withdrawal would make remaining US forces easier targets, and the Democrats have a point that there should be a time line for withdrawal. The Repubs have a point if and only if the Shiites and Sunnis are no longer shooting at us. The Dems could have a valid position that is, if and only if we have a real plan for Iraq, as opposed to just leaving them in the state they are in as a civil war when the time us up.

So as far as the Dems are concerned, they appear to be doing nothing more than just going through the political motions, where Bush can veto them. This is unacceptable in my opinion of how the American Government is to serve the people cost effectively.

Further, regardless of the Bush administration being responsible for the Iraq mess, we as Americans are just as responsible. A president that takes office in 2008 cannot just say, "I didn't do that, it’s not my fault, so we are just exiting Iraq". It is also easy to give fuzzy promises as an Election 2008 candidate, but later say that "there were mitigating circumstances where the time is just not right yet".

Many Americans gave their lives, or at a minimum their future health. Their families have also made significant sacrifices. They deserve their pride and dignity as Americans. There is no real healing than can take place without one's dignity in tact. That also goes for our allies and enemies as well.

We deserve our strategic pride as Americans, where we have not in good conscious gone out and destroyed lives in other parts of the world. Other wise, what makes us better than any other global tyrants? Being compromised financially to Foreign lenders such as China, also puts us in a weak position if they decide to address such a global tyrant. We loose any capital in foreign policy proportionally to how much of a tyrant we are. Domestically, our economy will grind to a halt.

But what is most important that as Americans, we have been raised with a conscious of what makes Americans very special. We want to pride ourselves as being the kindest nation. To be Americans we are also accustomed to a very most powerful and undauntable pride. And this is for good reason. Americans no matter what race, creed, color, religion, or followings and beliefs, are over all, decent, fair and moral minded people.

For us to do what is right in Iraq, in May 2004 I sent the following summary proposal for Senator, Biden, Dyrben, and others in the Senate and House.

6- Have the UN provide security against any one , or two nations against the other

-Orion Karl Daley

I would not want to confuse Biden's partitioning plan with the above which looks similar to Step 1. As far as Biden's new partitioning plan, I give no credit as he did not read the email thoroughly. They are to be sovereign nations, or the result is a civil war where we have passed responsibility of the real political solution off to the Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds to deal with. Hence, civil war continues.

The above is what I saw most fair then and is known as a plan 'Peace with Dignity, Iraq Exit Strategy' on the net, at unity2008.org, care2.com, and in the book, The New Deal. As sovereign nations, the Sunnis do not have to entertain Saudi dynamics, the Shiites would not need the same with Iran, and Kurds, who already have their own active government can easily embrace Sovereignty.

Just bringing this to the table at the UN to become involved brings the world into a peace with dignity effort, where the US can also mend friendships. For Iraq, the Sunnis and Shiites would no longer have a need for a civil war. During the planning a real cease fire can occur.

Our troops can safely downsize, as no longer being a substituted target of threat for both the Sunnis and Shiites. In Sovereignty, al Qaeda would also no longer serve any purpose and therefore this tension is also downsized. Al-Qaida would be out of a job, and jobs would become available in all three sovereign nations of Iraq.

As we can come home with unquestionable pride in doing the right thing, these nations would want to entertain American oil interests. We demonstrated their best interest in mind at the sacrifice of American lives.

JMT-Q:

Well Orion I have to say you have covered all you bases and have an honest plan. You seem very genuine in your motives. We never fully agree with a candidate’s views or plans. However, politics is a dirty business so candidates like yourself really deserve consideration and support. You seem to truly have the American and Iraqi people and their best interests in mind.

Now an element to all of this that most candidates won’t touch with a ten foot pole is possible government complicity in the attacks of 9/11. The current conflicts our country is involved in are a direct result of that painful day. So if there is any merit to this at all it is a trumping issue in my mind. What are your thoughts about the 9/11 truth movement and would you support a new truly independent 9/11 commission.

Orion Karl Daley-A:

What was once like trees in our front yard, is now the pit down the street. We were part of 9/11, but not those who had suffered.

I have much documented at unity2008.org and in the New Deal of my commitment for further due process and discovery on 9/11 where ever the path leads. It is not to be a back burner item, and without true recognition, we can not move forward as a nation.

I support any current effort for this process to gain momentum now. I believe also that one of the petition organizations should reach to the others about this, and aggregate all signatures. As a critical mass this can be brought to Congress for its sincere recognition before Election 2008. This effort should also not be lead by any Election 2008 Presidential Candidate either.

I believe what I shared in regards to your recent article that covered these subjects’ best sums up my thoughts...

Our nation will have a long road to its healing after Iraq. And if we cannot consider the older vets, then in our moral fortitude, where should we really start? Where ever we start should bring dignity to all vets and their families.

Congress was high about making moves over Walter Reed, and Bush even apologized for not being aware of the conditions. But consider not being aware of all who have served and have been forgotten. This has to be put smack in the face of Bush and the Congress and in the public's voice is the means to do so.

Our government must be transparent and accountable in what it does in the name of the people as a nation. Our vets and families in my opinion are first in line for this regard by the government.

Why this is not the case currently, can only be due to the disregard of the people by the current leadership in the executive and congressional branches of government.

JMT-Q:

Yes, disregard is the culprit Orion I agree. Complete lack of conscience and empathy, it is just astounding to me. The treatment of our veterans brings to mind the treatment of our citizens in general. The debate about the current state of affairs in our health care system has had a fire lit under it recently by Michael Moore, do you like any of his ideas? How do you propose improving the system?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

The other day I shared a message with some friends at Care2.com... This was:

It was blistering the other day in NYC when I arrived at a much needed water fountain where a man was doing some laundry. He said, please let me clean the soap off the fountain for you'. I thanked him.

Regardless if he is homeless, and I am not, we both have as much right to the same water fountain. To put this in perspective, unfortunate circumstances can trickle down on any one of us.

The Health of our Nation is reflected in our people, and I believe is a right deserved by all.

100% full quality health care for all does not have to be at tax payer’s burden, or through private enterprise health insurance policies.

It can be financed through fully tax exempt 'Health Care Bonds'. This allows it to be robust enough to meet the needs of national disasters, and other unexpected events while at a minimum provide full health care coverage to all.

In Detail...

I believe the government can lead health care innovations in order to benefit the people, and the private sector will follow in order to take advantage of the resulting business opportunities. When the private sector leads, the focus on business profits causes diminishing quality of service. My concern is that health care costs will continue to rise while private health care offers less and less benefit to the public.

I propose the 'People's Health Care Plan.' This consists of a Federal universal health care program that leaves opportunity for the private sector to compete with fair additional offerings. Additionally, 'For the Good' community service based health care should be created for preventative health care.

1- The Federal Care program would afford fixed health care infrastructure costs; make services available when needed by all U.S. Citizens, and cover health treatments and remedies adequately up to 100% with quality service.

This is to include but not be limited to chronic care, emergencies, restorative health, post operative recovery treatments, and generic prescription programs. There are no deductibles and no loss of coverage when in between jobs, when economically disadvantaged or when in retirement.

The Federal Health Care Plan is to be funded by moving Medicare/Medicaid into a people's health care general fund. and by replacing normal employer/employee health care insurance plans with a monthly contribution to the people's health care general fund that is about half of what is normally paid. He believes that this alone as not being profit based can address basic quality coverage.

Additionally the Federal Care program is to be galvanized by funding from fully tax exempt health care bonds. OKD believes that the tax exempt bonds will become actively traded in the financial markets. They will also allow the public to make tax exempt investments.

In addition to having a robust health care fund, he believes that this also provides coverage of natural disasters like hurricane Katrina, for first responders when in a state of emergency, the public if when under a terrorist attack and epidemics which at this point are not being competently embraced by the government.

2- 'For the Good' community based offerings are to address the economically disadvantaged with a focus on preventative health care. Health practitioners may receive tax benefits based on community service quotas and level of service.

3- The Private Sector is welcome to operate honestly by offering competitive alternatives, add-ons for such things as elective surgery and post operative care, and additional services that they feel could interest consumers.

JMT-Q:

Sign me up! Illegal immigration is another hot topic these days Orion and being a Balanced Party candidate I'm sure you a have a middle ground we all can stand on? How can we solve this problem while taking all into consideration?Orion Karl Daley-A:
There are a lot of misgivings about our current awareness, and what we are doing about immigration. It has actually been an issue for some time, but no focus has really been put on it, except recently.

The public has been thrown a bone of patronizing sense of empowerment. For the people, this in the new form of racism. 'They are not like you, they are also Illegal'.

I believe that it has been used as a distraction by the Executive Branch, so as not to focus on the other 'nuts and bolts' that have been coming loose with our nation. This also serves Election 2008 Candidates for what kind of red/blue divides they wish to create. And, for Senate Lobbyists, in the name of people like Bill Gates, it is used for the purpose of opening up our local labor markets to a further flood of cheap guest worker labor.

Some due diligence about this has been addressed at Unity2008.org and in the New Deal. This is in addition to 5 revisions of the 1986 Immigration Act, in order to give the issue the time and focus that it is worth as workable laws.

In all the 'Hearsay', we should have a few points of reference. This in order to filter the noise in the media, and actually account for why neither side of the Senate in the recent Immigration Bill did not serve the issue genuinely.

The IRS knows of 12.5+ million unregistered immigrants. This is because they are registered with the IRS, which does not share information. But let’s hazard a guess that the average annual wage in the USA for unregistered immigrants is $20,000 or $200,000.000 for 10 million immigrants. The Average income tax per year to the nation is $50,000,000 per year. The immigrant by definition is what makes up the backbone of this country. Like the colonials, they are those who are not looking back, but see their future as US Citizens.

Guest workers that are flooded in this country ship about $800,000,000 per year out of our country. It goes back to their homes in foreign lands. This is money that is not circulating in our communities. Our economy simply cannot afford this.

For resolve the following is proposed:

2- The Laws: Consider what are 'Fines' and what is 'Amnesty' when it comes to the existing residing unregistered Immigrants.

As the Economy is the primary factor for the level of immigration, in volume, that can be allowed, and in compliance with the noted proposed criterion (a - e) below, The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 so shall be proposed for revision by Congress. This is to allow the United States to have fare and just law for immigration subject to the level of economic burden that can be supported by our nation.

a- For those who are paying taxes, should be able to register with out fear of reprisal. They are contributors to our economy, and therefore our country. For those who are not paying taxes, are in fact taxing our economy. In both cases we have to know, who is willing to swear an allegiance to our country, and who is not.

b- Those not willing swear an allegiance to our country, and are employed, must leave until our economy can support their presence. In other words, when Americans are no longer out of work, can we afford to have foreigners here that want to ship money out of our country; and not before. That is regardless if they pay taxes or not. The jobs can be for Americans at realistic and fare market rates, that are not suddenly below earlier market rates, who can also pay the taxes, and not have to them need to collect unemployment.

For example, an IT Specialist previous to 9/11 could earn upwards of $90-100 dollars per hour. The same job description is now filled at $40-$50 per hour.

c- For those who are employed, and willing to swear an allegiance, allow them to do so. They want to be Americans, and this is what our country was built on.
d- For those who are not employed, and willing to swear an allegiance, they are to register with the Government for employment ; If below the age of 60, and able bodied, they are allowed 60 days of residence, and if not gainfully employed by then, must be sent to the country of origin, where they can await notification of employment. If they are not able bodied, and/or over 60, I think we really have to search who we are, if to want to send them away.

e- For those not willing to register, and employed or not employed demonstrate no intent to work with the constraints that we must have for immigration. This includes Iraqi Refugees, or anyone who is not natively born in this country. They cannot be permitted to live here. In our current economy, We can only allow those who are, or intended to be Americans the right to live here under our laws as a Civil Society.

As noted in A-2 above, each offense requires that one is processed for a period of time where they are photo graphed and finger printed. There is no fun in this when one's intent is come into our country. When sent back, if one gets too many points, say starting at 10, then you will be locked up instead for a period of 60 days and then sent back.

Further as noted, this is not intended to conflict with Amendment 13 of the Constitution on involuntary servitude or to imply some form of slavery. Although not also intended to be a paid vacation to a country club, those retained for a period of time are to be treated in a humane manner as all visitors to the United States.

3- No Open Borders We cannot just have open borders, and that is not recommended here either.

Our Borders must be secure, and in our current times, this is where the National Guard should be deployed. We can build walls, but this becomes a permanent fixture that walls us in as much as walls others out. The current administration has done this over and over again. This is not in our history, and it is not the American Way.

Noted earlier, in our current economy we also cannot afford the spirit of Emma Lazarus that is written on the tablet of the Statue of Liberty, but we must strive to be able to do this again once more, some day. For if not, then what do we stand for. What does Liberty stand for, if we are to ignore the history of the American Way?

JMT-Q:

Last question Orion. If you were sat down at a table with the USA constitution and the USA Patriot Act lying before you with a lighter and you HAD to burn one, which one goes up in a cloud of ash and fire?

Orion Karl Daley-A:

The Patriot Act has no place in a Civil Society. The US Constitution is written in plane English. Although its context is somewhat different as of yesterday, where the word privacy did not exist during its authoring, its principles can sustain time, where the Patriot Act has no future.

It surprises me how many in the Senate and the House , as well as the Executive Branch have not read the Constitution, as much as thinking that a Patriot Act could take its place. The Constitution, although coming before the Patriot Act, obsoletes the Patriot Act.

The real question comes to the surface - who in our elected leadership is capable of drafting such a work like the Constitution?

JMT-Q:

In other words... The Patriot act burns folks! Thanks for doing this interview with me Orion. If you believe Mr. Daley deserves to be on the 2008 Ballot in your town, please sign his petition by clicking here!

For those who don't know Care2.com is an activist social networking website with currently over 8 million members! The site features discussion groups of which the popular group 9/11 Conspiracy can be found which has a decent current membership of 783.

Yvonne White is a friend of mine and is one of five hosts to the group, being that Yvonne is a dedicated 9/11 activist and hosts a group with so many 9/11 truthers involved, I thought her perspective on the 9/11 Truth movement would be good convo.

So first off let me say hello dear friend and thanks for letting me conduct this interview. I appreciate all your hard work in promoting 9/11 truth issues more than you know.

Can you first off tell the readers how you became convinced the official story of September 11th was a fraud and also who you think the true culprits are?

Yvonne White-A:

Thanks for the intro John-Michael! I'm glad you included the fact that I'm just one of the hosts of the 9/11 Conspiracy group. From my perspective, I believe it's a great group with a very Liberal attitude - meaning we don't filter the news/articles/video feeds posted. But we also don't let NeoCONs harass the membership either.

There may be hundreds of Theories out there, but the most important (to me) is that NO Outside Terrorist could have planned and implemented the 9/11 attacks without major Inside Help. That's giving This Bu$h League Club the benefit of the doubt (that doubt being that Any Outside Organization was involved AT ALL).

I put the blame on the "people in charge". It's often said that conspiracy theories are too complex, too many people in the know would eventually blow the cover. But this Administration has side-stepped the issue altogether by simply pleading incompetence on one hand and "we're the only ones who can save you" on the other!

I was shocked that SO many News Agencies suddenly stopped asking hard questions (or any questions really), that even Dan Rather changed his analysis (we know what happened to him when he Did Finally start asking questions).

Why, if the attacks were supposedly to "inflict damage & inspire terror", did they pick a Previous Target (it didn't workin the 90'swhen they Tried bombing the WTC) - why not National Symbols? Being from the Midwest, the WTC is not something I think of when I think American Symbols. The Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell, the Capitol Building, the White House, the Washington & Lincoln Monument - ANY of those would have been a Major Blow to the American Psyche... Not the WTC.. not even the Pentagon - though at least it is the symbol of the Military Industrial Complex. But it Seemed an after-thought to me.

Everyone in the country was upset, angry, and saddened.. but Terrorized? Maybe they were in New York, after all the Mayor was running around in the streets & attempting to put off elections.. Out here in the sticks, I was wondering why the biggest Crime Scene since Pearl Harbor was being carted off without proper management.. we've all seen CSI, and we were not impressed with the Feds on this.

Also, anyone that is a part of this movement knows how hard it is to convince others that government complicity is the true culprit here. Have you gained any insight through hosting this group as to how people out there are most effective in demonstrating to others that we are dealing with complicity and not just incompetence?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! "So they never had you fooled for a second huh?" Fooled isn't the word I'd use. I was shocked & appalled, angry & sad.. and frightened for my family and friends. But it was not from Outside Terrorists that the fear came. It was the justification of the pervading dread that had loomed over America since the 2000 "election". So the shoe that dropped was not in the form expected, it was worse - because civilian casualties were involved.

Nobody WANTS to believe the highest levels of their own government could be involved in killing thousands of its citizens. But they do it all the time - war being the most obvious way.

This particular President has the most perverse history that I know of - mocking death-row inmates, killing small animals as a boyhood "prank", bankrupting companies, and having a mother who says on camera "these people are probably better off " about Katrina victims who had lost their homes, family, pets, and communities... so it's NO great stretch of the imagination to think he would have allowed Americans to die "for a good cause". In fact, the Katrina episode reinforced my belief and Opened the Eyes of quite a few others who had tried desperately to cling to the illusion of Incompetence rather than the cold-blooded execution of their Agenda.

I'm not the founder of 9/11 Conspiracy. But I was very flattered when I was asked to co-host. I believe it's important for people to be able to question the government "line" on 9/11 and everything that has come since.

This PNAC group was led by such heavy hitters as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, James Bolton, Zalmay M. Khalilzad, William Bennett, Dan Quayle, Jeb Bush, most of whom were movers-and-shakers in previous Administrations, then in power-exile, as it were, while Clinton was in the White House. Now they were back & "ready to roll"! To be that "psychic", and yet NOT "ready" to deal with it is Not Just Incompetent, its Criminal! To feign Shock & bad communication, distractions, or whatever came to mind was as bogus as the "nobody could have foreseen" crap they spouted concerning the New Orleans Katrina insanity (attempted genocide seems like the correct description to me).

Also, what do you think of supporting third party candidates like Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinny, and Orion Daley? Some argue this is throwing your vote away, but I say voting for the persons with the best ideas who speak the truth is what we all should be doing. Otherwise, who is really throwing their vote away? If it's counted that is. What say you Yvonne?

Yvonne White-A:

LOL! Don't try to make me speak ill of a fellow Illinoisan.. the only thing I worry about with Obama is that he hasn't been Full-on Liberal/Progressive. But he seems to learn quickly!:) As for Zbigniew Brzezinski, he is just One of Obama's advisors and I don't know how much influence he has, but Obama is aware of his role in the Reagan Admin. & surely knows the online CONservative take on him. But hearing from Brzezinski's contacts would be helpful in negotiating certain things I'm sure. Anyway, Obama seems willing to hear from ALL sides. (But if he should suddenly start stock in FOX or appearing on their programs, I would have to re-evaluate the whole thing!;) Also, speaking of foreign policy advisors, I think it's beyond time to help establish a Palestinian state & cut back welfare to Israel’s military machine. Though Samantha Power's resignation may make that a bit harder to achieve. I'm sure the Israeli lobby pushed for that particular resignation.

A third party Presidency still seems at least one Election away to me. But if this election Doesn't result in a Total Renewal of America - restoring American Rights, Generating JOBs, Rebuilding Infrastructures, Repairing the Harm done to America's Image, Repealing the Patriot Act, Repealing & Rethinking NAFTA, Restoring America's Security (Social Security, a National, Single-Payer Healthcare System, as well as better monitoring of incoming freight & better use of DEA, FBI, & INS agencies), etc. - then a Third Party will Surely be the Next Step to Do the Job that both Democrats & Republicans have Failed to Do. And it's best both parties remember that while they Rely on attention deficit Americans to forget the Facts, those Same Americans want things fixed Yesterday.. so they'll only have one term to get Everything started (if not completely fixed).

We already have the beginnings of Change at our disposal. So Third Parties have more of a chance now than ever before. I used to think 3rd Parties were a wasted vote, but 3rd parties are getting more popular & more Populated - so the two Major Parties ignore those "other" voters at their own risk. The candidates you mentioned are all great, SO much more engaged & engaging than Bu$h the Le$$er. Voting is a personal thing & people should vote for the candidate they Want. If Kucinich went 3rd Party, I would renounce my life-time Democratic Party ticket & vote "early & often"!;)

Well to wrap up I wanted to ask you an unrelated question as I often do in these things. I was wondering if you agreed with the young activists who the Dalai Lama has been at odds with over how to best achieve independence for Tibet. They say that they agree with his non-violent method, but feel there should be no compromise on independence. Other than that brave soul I'll let you make a closing statement and again thanks for doing the interview.

Yvonne White-A:
We could Boycott the games, since China is Communist, horrible on Human Rights, etc. But we cannot call the kettle black when Bu$h has reduced us to their level. I can see Tibets's problem - the Dalai Lama has preached non-violence, but Chinese occupiers have no such taboo in place. America was founded by violent overthrow of an oppressive Foreign government - so we would be hypocrites to ask them nicely Not to do the same.

Now back to 9/11 Conspiracy.. it's a great group! It's a place to get information, differing from the Party Line, differing from the Media Propaganda, and occasionally differing from reasonable thought - but I hate censorship, so only the truly unreasonable Reich-wing hate-spouters who get banned or deleted. For the most part it's simply for people to come & realize they aren't the only ones to Question the Truth of 9/11 - not the only ones who think you can't explain away the evidence with Bu$h's "ya gonna believe your eyes, or what I tell you?" kind of force-fed Report (which did NOT include anything about WTC 7) - not the only ones who have come to realize this Bu$h Government is more dangerous to it's citizens than "terrorists" in foreign countries. I hope I haven't given the impression I'm a Bu$h hater with no sense of humor... because I Do have a Sense of Humor!;)