KMO talks with Bruce Damer and Galen Brandt about what it's like to have crossed the threshold into 2012 after so many years expectations built up listening to Terence McKenna novelty and concrescence. Other topics of discussion include upgrading our personal and societal operating systems, the complexity of our world made by nerds, and the reality of the situation on the ground in Pakistan and how it differs from the worldview propagated by the screaming media.