He's a right wing democrat, so this would be consistent with his stances on gay weddings, bathrooms, inter-racial romances, gun control, foreign sanctions/interventions, domestic tariffs, abortion/contraception, aid to Israel etc. Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham and various other bluedog neocons are not supporting him for nothing.

Originally Posted by spudea

he said the same thing in 2016 and nothing happened.

He says lot of things but only does what is approved by his largest donors. Other than that, he's pretty fearless.

so much Liberty, I can't take it anymore /sarc
This a-hole absolutely enrages me

Brawndo's got what plants crave. Its got electrolytes.

H. L. Mencken said it best:

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't even a thing nor are capital gains taxes
Constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

It seems implementing a deeper police state was the one campaign promise he fully intends to keep.

He's been doing this right along. Copsucking on a truly epic scale, more military weapons to and militarizatiom of the police, encouraging cops to be tougher and rougher with suspects. Cheerleading universal surveillance. A true "law and order" authoritarian.

Trump is an authoritarian "strong man" in the same vein as those the people in banana republics south of the border are stereotypically accused of favoring. And, judging by their reactions to his actions, that's exactly what most Trump supporters want.

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Chris

"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

He's been doing this right along. Copsucking on a truly epic scale, more military weapons to and militarizatiom of the police, encouraging cops to be tougher and rougher with suspects. Cheerleading universal surveillance. A true "law and order" authoritarian.

Trump is an authoritarian "strong man" in the same vein as those the people in banana republics south of the border are stereotypically accused of favoring. And, judging by their reactions to his actions, that's exactly what most Trump supporters want.

This is why I'm surprised by the warming up to Trump by some of who were previously the most vocal against the rising police state, such as AF. Now it seems no one cares about the further militarization of police, further ignoring of rights, further surveillance state and control grid, etc. I can't imagine what could possibly make someone throw out their entire "pet issue" of many years in favor of what appears to be mostly rhetoric without much substance. Not a peep on these sorts of threads by the resident Trumpers. I assume because they can't be spun with a "nuh uh, that's fake news, here's what's really happening" type response.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

This is why I'm surprised by the warming up to Trump by some of who were previously the most vocal against the rising police state, such as AF. Now it seems no one cares about the further militarization of police, further ignoring of rights, further surveillance state and control grid, etc. I can't imagine what could possibly make someone throw out their entire "pet issue" of many years in favor of what appears to be mostly rhetoric without much substance. Not a peep on these sorts of threads by the resident Trumpers. I assume because they can't be spun with a "nuh uh, that's fake news, here's what's really happening" type response.

Hope. Hope is a powerful motivator. By properly leveraging your hopes and fears, a politician can get you to support almost anything.

"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

This is why I'm surprised by the warming up to Trump by some of who were previously the most vocal against the rising police state, such as AF. Now it seems no one cares about the further militarization of police, further ignoring of rights, further surveillance state and control grid, etc. I can't imagine what could possibly make someone throw out their entire "pet issue" of many years in favor of what appears to be mostly rhetoric without much substance. Not a peep on these sorts of threads by the resident Trumpers. I assume because they can't be spun with a "nuh uh, that's fake news, here's what's really happening" type response.

I swear to Christ, I can't win for $#@!ing losing around this joint.

I have been banging the "Down with the police state" drum for decades now. I banged it so hard around here, everything I posted got relegated to an unviewed dungeon, "one starred" threads by hecklers in the peanut gallery and generally given grief over my "Dead Dog Daily" stories, to the point where I gave up, tired of the ulcers and the sick rage I get every time I see one of these stories.

Now that's a sign that i have somehow "warmed up" to the idea that $#@! cops should be allowed to just randomly stop people and frisk them whenever they $#@!ing feel like it?

Kiss my ass, what the $#@! do you want from me???

This is bull$#@! policy and we all know it, what more do you want me to say?

I'm not "warming up" to the idea of a police state. I'm not "warming up" to Trump, other than to point out where he has done a demonstrably good thing, and there have been some good things that have come out this administration. Unlike the unhinged Jacobin and Bolshevik left currently running amok, I can see that, objectively. But if you think I'm going to throw in with those $#@!s, just because of my opposition to a police state, you've got another thing coming.

Tell you what: convince me that more than 1 percent of AmeriKunts give a flying $#@! at a rolling donut about their freedom, show me one single $#@!, besides myself, for example, that gives the slightest bit of grief and pushback at the TSA gate rape stations rather than doing the Compliance Shuffle, and maybe I'll get inspired to start hollering again.

Otherwise, I'm $#@!ing done.

AmeriKunts get the country, the people and the surroundings they deserve.

I'm hunkering down and trying to protect me and mine as best I can from the dimwitted onslaught, and if Trump makes some moves that assist instead of hinder that effort, well, hoo-$#@!ing-rah.

Better than being fought at every single turn.

"It's a Free Country."
"They hate us for our Freedoms."
"The troops are protecting your Freedom."

I have been banging the "Down with the police state" drum for decades now. I banged it so hard around here, everything I posted got relegated to an unviewed dungeon, "one starred" threads by hecklers in the peanut gallery and generally given grief over my "Dead Dog Daily" stories, to the point where I gave up, tired of the ulcers and the sick rage I get every time I see one of these stories.

Now that's a sign that i have somehow "warmed up" to the idea that $#@! cops should be allowed to just randomly stop people and frisk them whenever they $#@!ing feel like it?

Kiss my ass, what the $#@! do you want from me???

This is bull$#@! policy and we all know it, what more do you want me to say?

I'm not "warming up" to the idea of a police state. I'm not "warming up" to Trump, other than to point out where he has done a demonstrably good thing, and there have been some good things that have come out this administration. Unlike the unhinged Jacobin and Bolshevik left currently running amok, I can see that, objectively. But if you think I'm going to throw in with those $#@!s, just because of my opposition to a police state, you've got another thing coming.

Tell you what: convince me that more than 1 percent of AmeriKunts give a flying $#@! at a rolling donut about their freedom, show me one single $#@!, besides myself, for example, that gives the slightest bit of grief and pushback at the TSA gate rape stations rather than doing the Compliance Shuffle, and maybe I'll get inspired to start hollering again.

Otherwise, I'm $#@!ing done.

AmeriKunts get the country, the people and the surroundings they deserve.

I'm hunkering down and trying to protect me and mine as best I can from the dimwitted onslaught, and if Trump makes some moves that assist instead of hinder that effort, well, hoo-$#@!ing-rah.

Better than being fought at every single turn.

So, not supporting Trump, or more accurately, ceasing to try to hold his feet to the fire on what seemed to be your top issue, automatically means "throwing in with the Bolsheviks"?

Same ol' duality games always effective for fear of being labeled by others as this or that. Gotta wonder why people are so terrified of what someone else calls you?

I hate to tell you this but y'alls reactions to the shill's constant labels ("you ain't a libtard, are ya?) and the controlled opposition "enemy of my enemy is my friend" just guarantees that you'll get much more of it, until you completely cease to say anything. The shills are labeling truth tellers as "libtards" from the false right and the shills are labeling truth tellers "bigots" from the false left. The desired end result is self-censorship for fear of being labeled something bad. And yes, someone will always find something to label you with as long as it is effective.

"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

So, not supporting Trump, or more accurately, ceasing to try to hold his feet to the fire on what seemed to be your top issue, automatically means "throwing in with the Bolsheviks"?

Same ol' duality games always effective for fear of being labeled by others as this or that. Gotta wonder why people are so terrified of what someone else calls you?

I hate to tell you this but y'alls reactions to the shill's constant labels ("you ain't a libtard, are ya?) and the controlled opposition "enemy of my enemy is my friend" just guarantees that you'll get much more of it, until you completely cease to say anything. The shills are labeling truth tellers as "libtards" from the false right and the shills are labeling truth tellers "bigots" from the false left. The desired end result is self-censorship for fear of being labeled something bad. And yes, someone will always find something to label you with as long as it is effective.

Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

So, not supporting Trump, or more accurately, ceasing to try to hold his feet to the fire on what seemed to be your top issue, automatically means "throwing in with the Bolsheviks"?

Same ol' duality games always effective for fear of being labeled by others as this or that. Gotta wonder why people are so terrified of what someone else calls you?

I hate to tell you this but y'alls reactions to the shill's constant labels ("you ain't a libtard, are ya?) and the controlled opposition "enemy of my enemy is my friend" just guarantees that you'll get much more of it, until you completely cease to say anything. The shills are labeling truth tellers as "libtards" from the false right and the shills are labeling truth tellers "bigots" from the false left. The desired end result is self-censorship for fear of being labeled something bad. And yes, someone will always find something to label you with as long as it is effective.

LOL- I've been called a troll, by some who promote nothing but fear and hate, for objecting to this & pointing out that that is exactly the division that TPTB want.

Just pointing out the the whole Kavanaugh BS was a ruse, & that the REAL reasons to question his seat in the SCOTUS was his part in the Patriot Act & his neocon POV on many issues, sent some Trump-lovers into fits of rage.

That said, @Anti Federalist is one of my favorites on the forum & time will shortly tell where this crazy road is leading us.

Just pointing out the the whole Kavanaugh BS was a ruse, & that the REAL reasons to question his seat in the SCOTUS was his part in the Patriot Act & his neocon POV on many issues, sent some Trump-lovers into fits of rage.

What a pile of horse $#@!, everybody on this forum agrees that the real reasons to question his seat in the SCOTUS was his part in the Patriot Act and such. The very people you are talking about said exactly the same thing.

Nobody liked him that much.. But he is a lot better on a lot of issues than leftist judges who may have taken his seat had the left been successful with their BS smear campaign that was filled with horrifying leftist talking points, i.e. "believe all women".

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

So, not supporting Trump, or more accurately, ceasing to try to hold his feet to the fire on what seemed to be your top issue, automatically means "throwing in with the Bolsheviks"?

Same ol' duality games always effective for fear of being labeled by others as this or that. Gotta wonder why people are so terrified of what someone else calls you?

I hate to tell you this but y'alls reactions to the shill's constant labels ("you ain't a libtard, are ya?) and the controlled opposition "enemy of my enemy is my friend" just guarantees that you'll get much more of it, until you completely cease to say anything. The shills are labeling truth tellers as "libtards" from the false right and the shills are labeling truth tellers "bigots" from the false left. The desired end result is self-censorship for fear of being labeled something bad. And yes, someone will always find something to label you with as long as it is effective.

I did and I contemplated them. If you're being quiet about things that you historically were VERY vocal about then there's a reason. You essentially stated that no one else cares about police state anymore so why should you and essentially the fear of being labeled as being with the Bolsheviks. Both of those perceptions will eventually lead to being self-censored.

This is exactly the time when people MUST be vocal, lest differing opinions cease to exist in the marketplace of ideas and in your case, the actual Bolsheviks end up being the only voice in the room.

Originally Posted by Danke

Great clip and I take it as a compliment.

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"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

What a pile of horse $#@!, everybody on this forum agrees that the real reasons to question his seat in the SCOTUS was his part in the Patriot Act and such. The very people you are talking about said exactly the same thing.

Nobody liked him that much.. But he is a lot better on a lot of issues than leftist judges who may have taken his seat had the left been successful with their BS smear campaign that was filled with horrifying leftist talking points, i.e. "believe all women".

Pile of horse $#@!? LOL- that would be your post.

I repeatedly said I did NOT believe the sexual accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact that he helped usher in the Patriot Act, which is why we are all now living in a pile of horse $#@!, should be a detriment in the eyes of all freedom-lovers.

THIS was the reason for the Kavanaugh Reality Show.

The right/left paradigm is to get everyone's eye off the mark & spew hate at each other while TPTB march on.

I did and I contemplated them. If you're being quiet about things that you historically were VERY vocal about then there's a reason. You essentially stated that no one else cares about police state anymore so why should you and essentially the fear of being labeled as being with the Bolsheviks. Both of those perceptions will eventually lead to being self-censored.

This is exactly the time when people MUST be vocal, lest differing opinions cease to exist in the marketplace of ideas and in your case, the actual Bolsheviks end up being the only voice in the room.

Great clip and I take it as a compliment.

AF stated he was getting ulcers from posting so many police brutality articles. While he's taking a break, you are more than welcome to pick up where he left off.

Now it seems no one cares about the further militarization of police, further ignoring of rights, further surveillance state and control grid, etc. I can't imagine what could possibly make someone throw out their entire "pet issue" of many years in favor of what appears to be mostly rhetoric without much substance. Not a peep on these sorts of threads by the resident Trumpers. I assume because they can't be spun with a "nuh uh, that's fake news, here's what's really happening" type response.

It turns out that some people only disagreed with the police state when they felt like they might be the target. When they are given a suitably acceptable enemy, they feel that militarization of the police is appropriate. (See also: the 4th amendment and Kavanaugh)

Originally Posted by dannno

Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

AF stated he was getting ulcers from posting so many police brutality articles. While he's taking a break, you are more than welcome to pick up where he left off.

I can't carry this whole thing myself. I'm not Atlas. People need to be on the ball about what matters to them. Talking about it when the Dem was Pres was easy. Stopping when the Republican Pres is meeting with sheriffs and police chiefs and pushing for increased unreasonable search and seizure with the express intent of disarming people (it's not only for Chicago even though the media is framing it that way) is exactly the time when conservatives and libertarians need to be most vocal. It's easy to join the chorus when the Dem is pushing gun control. Who has the stones to denounce it when it's the Republican? Even when the shills will threaten you with some label meant to shut you up?

eta: The other option is to opt out of it all and stop giving consent via emotional investment en masse. Unlikely to happen though since the methods to secure investment have been honed over thousands of years.

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"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

It turns out that some people only disagreed with the police state when they felt like they might be the target. When they are given a suitably acceptable enemy, they feel that militarization of the police is appropriate. (See also: the 4th amendment and Kavanaugh)

Please point out one such person and provide quotes to back up your charge.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Robert Heinlein

Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

Groucho Marx

I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

Linus, from the Peanuts comic

You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

Alexis de Torqueville

Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it