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FTDNA's IT folks have updated YSearch, as well. Men who have tested R-L21* have been automatically updated to R1b1b2a1b5. As a result, it is now possible to do a "Search by Haplogroup" to find those who are currently known to be R-L21*.

I've already found a couple of new R-L21* Germans, a German-Swiss, and a Spaniard I didn't know about.

And consequently you can now search for it at Y-search, there are three with ancestral origins saying Spain, and one from Puerto Rico with a Spanish name

Thus far, only Arrizabalaga can confirm an actual paper trail to Spain. I have not heard from one of the possible Spanish subjects yet (I have emailed him this afternoon), so he could actually be Spanish. One of the others is another matter. All I can say about that is I cannot confidently place it in Spain at all. In fact, I'm pretty confident in the other direction.

We have a couple of Puerto Ricans in the R-L21 Plus Project. One of them has a most distant y ancestor with the very un-Hispanic surname of Raford, and the other has a family tradition (which he told me about himself) of an English y ancestor on the island of Martinique.

I emailed FTDNA a few days ago about a couple of guys who I know are R-L21* but who did not get the magic "R1b1b2a1b5" in YSearch. I was told FTDNA is working on that but that they plan to go to the shorthand system very soon because of the cumbersome length of haplogroup designators.

Sounds good to me. Very soon we will all probably go from "R1b1b2a1b5" to "R-L21" or maybe "R-L21*."

I am 8 weeks in to the subclad test. The results so far are R1b1b2a1b5*, With Surname Munoz , I have a paper trail on the paternal side to early 1600s down in to Mexico, and am slowly working to find link from 1600 to 1500s which I believe will bridge the gap to Spain. I did the 67 marker paternal test. I have a lot of work to do still to figure out clues through various websites and surname projects. Will be happy to share all results.

I am 8 weeks in to the subclad test. The results so far are R1b1b2a1b5*, With Surname Munoz , I have a paper trail on the paternal side to early 1600s down in to Mexico, and am slowly working to find link from 1600 to 1500s which I believe will bridge the gap to Spain. I did the 67 marker paternal test. I have a lot of work to do still to figure out clues through various websites and surname projects. Will be happy to share all results.

Please join the R-L21 Plus Project.

We would be very glad to have you as a member.

If you are an FTDNA customer, just go to your "myFTDNA" pages and click on "Join Projects" on the left side of the screen. Then scroll down to Y Haplogroup Projects and click on "R28". Next, scroll down until you find R-L21Plus. Click on it and then on the little orange "Join" button in the lower right.

Hey there I just discovered these post here I know they are a bit old but I was wondering if you all could help me out because it seems to fit my issue. I just received my Haplogroups from 23andme.com and for my paternal haplogroup I am R1b1b2a1a2f* 23andme put an astrid at the end of the f. And it is essentially a placeholder for a question mark. 23andme plan to specify those branches more specifically but need more information. Anyways I was reading on another forum that R1b1b2a1a2f* is actually in theory equivalent to "R-L21" and that Family Tree DNA calls this haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5. which is what is being discussed here and I noticed you were all talking about Spain which is the connection I am looking for! Most people I have talked to have been of Irish descent with L21 but in my case on my paternal side the farthest back I can go is my great-grandfather who was born in Antioquia, Colombia we have a spanish Surname Cardenas and to my knowledge descended from people from the Iberian peninsula, there was even talk in my family that he was basque but I really don't know. Anybody have more information for me? I could really use some help thanks!

Hey there I just discovered these post here I know they are a bit old but I was wondering if you all could help me out because it seems to fit my issue. I just received my Haplogroups from 23andme.com and for my paternal haplogroup I am R1b1b2a1a2f* 23andme put an astrid at the end of the f. And it is essentially a placeholder for a question mark. 23andme plan to specify those branches more specifically but need more information. Anyways I was reading on another forum that R1b1b2a1a2f* is actually in theory equivalent to "R-L21" and that Family Tree DNA calls this haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5. which is what is being discussed here and I noticed you were all talking about Spain which is the connection I am looking for! Most people I have talked to have been of Irish descent with L21 but in my case on my paternal side the farthest back I can go is my great-grandfather who was born in Antioquia, Colombia we have a spanish Surname Cardenas and to my knowledge descended from people from the Iberian peninsula, there was even talk in my family that he was basque but I really don't know. Anybody have more information for me? I could really use some help thanks!

One of my good friends is from Medellin, so welcome to the forum! Yes, L21 is frequent in Spain, especially the northern areas - the Basque Country, in particular. I am not knowledgeable about Basque surnames though, but I am sure that is a possibility.

Depending on the company, different nomenclature is used for R-L21. That is why you see the difference in reporting between FTDNA and 23andMe.

Hey there I just discovered these post here I know they are a bit old but I was wondering if you all could help me out because it seems to fit my issue. I just received my Haplogroups from 23andme.com and for my paternal haplogroup I am R1b1b2a1a2f* 23andme put an astrid at the end of the f. And it is essentially a placeholder for a question mark. 23andme plan to specify those branches more specifically but need more information. Anyways I was reading on another forum that R1b1b2a1a2f* is actually in theory equivalent to "R-L21" and that Family Tree DNA calls this haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5. which is what is being discussed here and I noticed you were all talking about Spain which is the connection I am looking for! Most people I have talked to have been of Irish descent with L21 but in my case on my paternal side the farthest back I can go is my great-grandfather who was born in Antioquia, Colombia we have a spanish Surname Cardenas and to my knowledge descended from people from the Iberian peninsula, there was even talk in my family that he was basque but I really don't know. Anybody have more information for me? I could really use some help thanks!

Ah ok cool Thanks! I figured he was from northern spain its what it seems like. Unfortunately no photos survives of my great-grandfather but from physical descriptions they said he was tall, blondhair and blue eyed. It seems there are a lot of people from Medellin and surrounding area with Basque heritage. I found the Y-search but I am confused about creating a new user there is a part where I have to input Genetic markers. I am a 23andme customer. What is the process or conversion to do so?