I can’t believe I’m still bringing this up, but messing up terminology in the first episode =/= doing a good job on F/Z. That said, out of the current options they are the best for UBW. Hatsuyuki did an original TL for their release which in terms of editing I’d say is about on par with CR’s script, meaning watchable but with some really questionable lines in a number of places, whereas Commie’s release got rid of pretty much all the poorly-written lines CR had. Also, Commie has a TLC on the project so most things that CR mistranslates will probably be fixed.

What terminology is there to be faithful to? The VN’s just fan translation; it’s not even official. Raze(UTW’s typemoon fanatic) had his whole Fate experience in Japanese anyway and uses his own terminology as far as I know. UTW staffer said Raze isn’t even working on it. (assuming the project actually comes to light)

Pretty sure it was regarded at “amazing” just because it’s F/SN. Same type of thing that happens when groups only sub popular shows and the translation is readable. They’re part of the hypetrain and people regard them as based. I talk to a bunch of people who read VNs in JP and I think the general opinion is that the F/SN translation is ass and takajun produces stilted translations.

I give Takajun props for actually translating nearly 4MB of text, but his shit hurts to read. I mean, not like there’s any choice if you want to read F/SN in English, but it does the original work a pretty big disservice.

It’s not just the prose, either – there are a lot of little inaccuracies along the way. In a way, it’s good because it meant a lot of English speakers were able to experience FSN (me included), but in an arguably more significant way, it’s kinda bad because it’s pretty unlikely that the game will ever get a better translation, and now everyone thinks Nasu is some hack writer who comes up with torturous prose, dumb statements like “people die when they are killed”, and has an unhealthy fixation with mollusks – all pretty much the translation’s fault. There just isn’t a business case to do it over because everyone downloaded and played through the game however many years ago.

Did it occur to you that perhaps different people may have made these statements? I mean, there are still people calling it godly today. I saw one less than five minutes ago on another site. Different people have different opinions – halt the fucking presses.

And no, Moogy is not just talking about “editing”. Your translation/editing distinction is bullshit anyway because it’s like you think you can handwave away nonsensical Engrish by saying “oh, it’s just editing, the correct information is buried in there somewhere”. A translation that is poorly written enough to provide a significantly worse reading experience than the original text is a poor translation, plain and simple, to say nothing of all the parts where no English speaker could reasonably be expected to grasp the actual meaning behind the text.

Okay Kristen, I will bow to your superior Japanese knowledge over the guy who actually knows the language and has read like 100+ VNs and countless other books in the language he’s talking about. Clearly you are the expert on translations here, and he doesn’t know shit.

You’re not questioning my translation abilities, Xythar. You’re questioning the translation abilities of people who currently translate for crunchyroll.

But it doesn’t take any knowledge of Japanese to understand that two things that mean the same thing and are written in different ways are a matter of editing, not translation. But you know, you want to pretend that having an elementary Japanese proficiency makes you an expert, go right ahead. Maybe if you keep at it you can become a good translator and stop being a shitty editor.

Based on some of the CR translations I’ve seen, I’m not sure those are very meaningful credentials.

K3 already gave a pretty reasonable explanation above. If you like, feel free to get your TL friends to take a look at the VN in its original Japanese and compare it to the translation. You might be surprised by the results.

While you’re at it, ask them what makes a good script. Maybe if you actually figure that out one day, you can become something other than a laughing-stock fansubber.

Yep, there is clearly nothing wrong with CR’s Chuu2Ren or Haikyuu whatsoever. Paid professionals can do no wrong, as quoth the mighty Kristen. CR’s UBW subs are also perfect and have made absolutely no embarrassing mistakes whatsoever. I’m sure this has everything to do with “rotational velocidensity” and nothing to do with CR licensing more and more shows and being able to pay its translators less and less, meaning that less and less qualified translators get hired. Everything is the cartel’s fault.

By the way, I’m not just talking out of my ass here – every opinion I state about translation quality is backed up by people who know what the fuck they’re talking about. Based on the quality of translations I’ve seen out of Chihiro, I’m not too confident that you’re in the same position.

Most all things people point out as a TL mistake by CR is just poor editing. And I don’t blame them – they are solo projects.

Which is exactly what I’m saying. You’re just pretending editing is translation, and trying to say “But I have more experience than you!” to make it seem like a legit argument. Whether you spell it Potato, Potatoe, or Brown Round Root, it means the same thing.

It doesn’t take any translation proficiency to know that is red. You get that from 5 minutes of looking at color names.

Does that say anything about that translator? No, not really. Just like how last week on my cooking and recipes test I subtracted 48 from 53 and got 6 (btw, I graduated with a math degree and have tutored upper level math for a living for 3 years now). It’s a careless mistake made from rushing, not a statement of how good or bad a person is at their specialty.

Yes, I know. The obvious stuff is “careless mistakes” to you, and the subtler stuff is “editing issues”. That way, the translators never have to be accountable for anything.

I think we’ve veered from the original point far enough, but I can assure you CR’s translators are not remotely infallible. I know this because I’ve worked on lots of CR scripts with assistance from TLCs who actually fix shit (as opposed to the phantom TLCs you claim to have in Chihiro who never actually change anything). Much like fansubs, CR’s translations are a mixed bag.

As I said, feel free to have someone who speaks the language compare the Japanese version of F/SN with TakaJun’s translation. The only people I see defending it online these days are people who never read the original.

Good recent example from Akame. CR (left) screwed the pooch on line 14, and as a result, the entire conversation makes no sense. Hardly the kind of thing you can write off as an “editing issue”.

This is why translators need to be mindful of writing coherent English that makes sense – because when the lines get that fucked, no editor can save it without basically getting a translator to redo them.

Though you know, that’s the funny thing about CR. People whine about translation accuracy and have their amateur translators try to fix it up. But you know, if your amateur translator is that good that he thinks he’s better than a professional, why isn’t he translating it in the first place? Laziness? Then you obviously don’t care about the show, and are just doing it for money in donations.

Yes, all that money Vivid and Asenshi collect through the complete lack of donation buttons or advertising on their sites. What the hell does that even have to do with whether CR’s translations are accurate or not, anyway? Are you literally that goddamn brain-damaged that you’re only capable of spouting the same three points of rhetoric regardless of what the discussion is actually about? Go fuck yourself.

Let’s look at this reasonably here. Commie is currently made up of something around 40 active staffers. Don’t quote me on that, but that’s probably a good rough estimate. Now the real question is who in Commie actually sees the money being donated, let alone actively gets to control what happens to it. I’m not sure on this, but I’d wager that it’s less than 5 people, not all of whom are actually actively fansubbing. So basically, that means we have at least 35 people who are subbing and don’t see the money. So why would they be subbing? To make people mad? To have fun and troll? To waste their time? Or maybe… Maybe they actually like the show and care about putting out good subs. Just a possibility. Sounds pretty far-fetched, I know. But hey… That’s what you’re good at, right, Kristen?

>Maybe they actually like the show and care about putting out good subs. Just a possibility.

Not saying you’re wrong. Just throwing another possibility in the equation. I pick up projects based on who’s working on them sometimes. Not sure if all fansubbers are like that. In the case of the one show I’m subbing this season, I could care less about the show and more about working and having fun with the people who are also working on it.

There’s still the possibility of using terminology that doesn’t even make logical sense, like the occurrence I was referring to in Commie’s Fate/Zero episode 1. Though not likely when they have a TLC on staff, it could still theoretically happen.

I was really hyped for it and loved the first episode but it left a lot of things out in the open, and while I know they’ll all be answered eventually it really bothered me for some reason, but at least the misunderstanding was good.
Second episode was really good mainly for the fact that it makes it look like MC wasn’t the only one who got a PTSD and forgot everything (I swear for whatever reason this episode made me think MC has/had a twin or something), now I’m really hyped to know what actually happened to them when they were kids.

But D_S isn’t really a non-shoujo drama guy so I can’t see him enjoying this that much.

I’m not following a MAL synopsis ever again, they changed it now but Trinity Seven’s first synopsis was so misleading, what a piece of crap this turned out to be, it’s just insulting at this point, considering how promising the first 10 minutes of the first episode looked this makes me really sad.