Defending porn on a site populated by young men is pretty useless, as i'm preaching to the converted, but here i go again anyway...

Once again, i must state that X-rated porn is not illegal in this country. It is legally available to buy in Canberra and NT, and while it's technically illegal to watch x-rated porn dvds/web content in the other states, everyone does it. The law classes x-rated as anything containing real depictions of sex. Why something that the vast majority of the population does throughout their lifetime is classified as illegal to watch is beyond me. Why not ban footage of real depictions of someone taking a shit, then?

As many in the media have stated, the majority of child porn these days is distributed by file sharing etc, not websites. Obviously labor (especially Stephen Conroy, who probably hasn't been on the net in the last decade, if at all) is living in the past.

Anyway, if worst comes to worst, and both people power and political opposition can't stop this shit, i'm going to download porn like crazy before the blacklist goes up, and then sell copies of it to desperate porn addicts who are too dumb to get around the filter. I'll be a porn baron! MUAHAHAHA!

I'm sorry, man, but I've got magic. I've got poetry in my fingertips. Most of the time - and this includes naps - I'm an F-18, bro. And I will destroy you in the air. I will deploy my ordinance to the ground. Charlie Sheen

It would never work anyway, it would just be like the school internet filters that everyone got around anyway.

Ours is now a County internet filter in our school. One of my friends tried to go on Pere Hiltons website, and now shes been logged for pornographic content. Same for someone who looked for an internet game, pornographic content o_O.

I may be very American when I say this, but since Australia is little more then a watered down British Colony (in much the way Canada is) is it any wonder that something like this should come to pass? The UK, Australia and Canada are quickly reaching the Nanny State description, and this shows as only a logical march of progression. You guys need a fucking revolution, stat.

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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM)

The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Sure. But it's not like your opinion matters anymore. And given another five years, it's likely things like this (Internet censorship in China and now Australia) will spread to your country as well. And then I doubt you'll be able to access this site. After all, isn't it promoting a game based around violence and degradation of women, and making fun of euthanasia?

I like these articles because it makes me glad to live here.

Edit - These are the current 13 "Enemies of the Internet", how long until where you live is added?

Sure. But it's not like your opinion matters anymore. And given another five years, it's likely things like this (Internet censorship in China and now Australia) will spread to your country as well. And then I doubt you'll be able to access this site. After all, isn't it promoting a game based around violence and degradation of women, and making fun of euthanasia?

I like these articles because it makes me glad to live here.

Edit - These are the current 13 "Enemies of the Internet", how long until where you live is added?

Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM)

The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

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Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

Are we talking about Germany or India banning Fallout and removing blood on GTA (OH GOD MY FREEDOM)? No we're goddamn not, we're talking about you're petty goddamn nationalism, and insistance that America is intrinsically Free and all other countries are intrinsically Not, flying in the face of the Patriot Act and an often mangled national understanding of the definition of the concept.

Say what you will about Europe, but one thing that is basically inarguable is that civil liberties come higher up the agenda than religion, the right to pursue wealth, security and other values which are considered equal or surpassing them in America.

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drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.

Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

Are we talking about Germany or India banning Fallout and removing blood on GTA (OH GOD MY FREEDOM)? No we're goddamn not, we're talking about you're petty goddamn nationalism, and insistance that America is intrinsically Free and all other countries are intrinsically Not, flying in the face of the Patriot Act and an often mangled national understanding of the definition of the concept.

Say what you will about Europe, but one thing that is basically inarguable is that civil liberties come higher up the agenda than religion, the right to pursue wealth, security and other values which are considered equal or surpassing them in America.

Oh look - Euro-fag is telling me all about the inherent evils of the Patriot Act. I'm sure you read all about it on Wikipedia. If you actually lived here you'd probably know that not a single person has ever had anything negative happen to them that they didn't deserve - so I'd wager the Act was pretty fucking spectacular. You think my government gives a shit about me having phone sex with Mary Jane Rottencrotch? No, they care more about terrorist cells in Buffalo planning to detonate the oil pipeline that connect most of the Great Lakes nuclear reactors with NYC. Which they apprehended.

And to hell with this 'civil liberties' crap, I've had about enough of it. If you really believe that a monkey printed in a cartoon is a representation of some gollywog half-breed, then do us all a favor and go fuck yourself. If you think giving Mary Jane Rottencrotch a 600 dollar check for free bundled with her taxes because she makes 7.50 an hour, then go fuck yourself. I want a real job, and the ability to pursue my own wealth and station. I don't need some uppity government sticking it's dick in my face and telling me how I'm going to do this or that.

If I want to buy a video game like Postal, I know I can. And it feels good. It feels great to know I can buy whatever I want, and own it, and not have to worry about the government telling me how to use it or enjoy it. When I subscribe to an internet service, I like being able to use it how I feel like it. I like knowing that if I wanted to, I could buy firearms at any major, or minor, dealer. I like the ability that I have to create my own world and my own life. If you're a foreigner reading this, do me a favor, and don't come here. I don't want to read another article where you think that you and twelve of your friends can afford a quarter of a million dollar condo on less then 20 grand a month. Pack it up and fuck off.

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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM)

The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

I'm sorry, man, but I've got magic. I've got poetry in my fingertips. Most of the time - and this includes naps - I'm an F-18, bro. And I will destroy you in the air. I will deploy my ordinance to the ground. Charlie Sheen

Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

Are we talking about Germany or India banning Fallout and removing blood on GTA (OH GOD MY FREEDOM)? No we're goddamn not, we're talking about you're petty goddamn nationalism, and insistance that America is intrinsically Free and all other countries are intrinsically Not, flying in the face of the Patriot Act and an often mangled national understanding of the definition of the concept.

Say what you will about Europe, but one thing that is basically inarguable is that civil liberties come higher up the agenda than religion, the right to pursue wealth, security and other values which are considered equal or surpassing them in America.

Oh look - Euro-fag is telling me all about the inherent evils of the Patriot Act. I'm sure you read all about it on Wikipedia. If you actually lived here you'd probably know that not a single person has ever had anything negative happen to them that they didn't deserve - so I'd wager the Act was pretty fucking spectacular. You think my government gives a shit about me having phone sex with Mary Jane Rottencrotch? No, they care more about terrorist cells in Buffalo planning to detonate the oil pipeline that connect most of the Great Lakes nuclear reactors with NYC. Which they apprehended.

And to hell with this 'civil liberties' crap, I've had about enough of it. If you really believe that a monkey printed in a cartoon is a representation of some gollywog half-breed, then do us all a favor and go fuck yourself. If you think giving Mary Jane Rottencrotch a 600 dollar check for free bundled with her taxes because she makes 7.50 an hour, then go fuck yourself. I want a real job, and the ability to pursue my own wealth and station. I don't need some uppity government sticking it's dick in my face and telling me how I'm going to do this or that.

If I want to buy a video game like Postal, I know I can. And it feels good. It feels great to know I can buy whatever I want, and own it, and not have to worry about the government telling me how to use it or enjoy it. When I subscribe to an internet service, I like being able to use it how I feel like it. I like knowing that if I wanted to, I could buy firearms at any major, or minor, dealer. I like the ability that I have to create my own world and my own life. If you're a foreigner reading this, do me a favor, and don't come here. I don't want to read another article where you think that you and twelve of your friends can afford a quarter of a million dollar condo on less then 20 grand a month. Pack it up and fuck off.

O look, it's now hurrrr america fuck yeah

I said nothing of whether civil liberties are more important than wealth and capitalism. That is not the point of what I'm saying. Don't try and turn this into an over-arcing argument about everything our two countries (or your country vs. the rest of the world) stands for. I'm saying that in this particular case, the case of civil liberties, the case in question in this topic, European countries value civil liberties higher than values that Americans see as paramount. Can you possibly argue with this?

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drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.

Please, you sound like a tool. So people lobby putting "Kill All The Haitians" on the side of a box. Germans remove most blood splatter from games, and occasionally put switches in the option menus. Australia and the UK often fail to carry certain games outright, or just horribly mangle them. Even India banned the Fallout series.

Are we talking about Germany or India banning Fallout and removing blood on GTA (OH GOD MY FREEDOM)? No we're goddamn not, we're talking about you're petty goddamn nationalism, and insistance that America is intrinsically Free and all other countries are intrinsically Not, flying in the face of the Patriot Act and an often mangled national understanding of the definition of the concept.

Say what you will about Europe, but one thing that is basically inarguable is that civil liberties come higher up the agenda than religion, the right to pursue wealth, security and other values which are considered equal or surpassing them in America.

Oh look - Euro-fag is telling me all about the inherent evils of the Patriot Act. I'm sure you read all about it on Wikipedia. If you actually lived here you'd probably know that not a single person has ever had anything negative happen to them that they didn't deserve - so I'd wager the Act was pretty fucking spectacular. You think my government gives a shit about me having phone sex with Mary Jane Rottencrotch? No, they care more about terrorist cells in Buffalo planning to detonate the oil pipeline that connect most of the Great Lakes nuclear reactors with NYC. Which they apprehended.

And to hell with this 'civil liberties' crap, I've had about enough of it. If you really believe that a monkey printed in a cartoon is a representation of some gollywog half-breed, then do us all a favor and go fuck yourself. If you think giving Mary Jane Rottencrotch a 600 dollar check for free bundled with her taxes because she makes 7.50 an hour, then go fuck yourself. I want a real job, and the ability to pursue my own wealth and station. I don't need some uppity government sticking it's dick in my face and telling me how I'm going to do this or that.

If I want to buy a video game like Postal, I know I can. And it feels good. It feels great to know I can buy whatever I want, and own it, and not have to worry about the government telling me how to use it or enjoy it. When I subscribe to an internet service, I like being able to use it how I feel like it. I like knowing that if I wanted to, I could buy firearms at any major, or minor, dealer. I like the ability that I have to create my own world and my own life. If you're a foreigner reading this, do me a favor, and don't come here. I don't want to read another article where you think that you and twelve of your friends can afford a quarter of a million dollar condo on less then 20 grand a month. Pack it up and fuck off.

O look, it's now hurrrr america fuck yeah

I said nothing of whether civil liberties are more important than wealth and capitalism. That is not the point of what I'm saying. Don't try and turn this into an over-arcing argument about everything our two countries (or your country vs. the rest of the world) stands for. I'm saying that in this particular case, the case of civil liberties, the case in question in this topic, European countries value civil liberties higher than values that Americans see as paramount. Can you possibly argue with this?

This is your response? The best you can do? Of course, leave it to a European to boil a complex issue down to nothing and only view it as a single sided argument. By this logic, of course America values proprietary rights over civil liberties. Who can argue with that? But because we value wealth over the individual, I argue our rights are greater then yours, because they appeal to the greater majority then the fringe minority. Because Australia feels that blocking of certain websites will help small children, they are willing to disrupt general usage of the internet and possibly damage consumer health.

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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM)

The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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I don't see that there was any need for trolling right there.

I'm feeling too calm to get riled up about nationalism, so I'll just state my points as I ought to have done before:

I think you're suffering from the myth of old Europe. Believe it or not, things aren't as bad as the American right wing likes to make out (or indeed as good as the left tries to make out). It's much like America, in most ways. I like to think of it like DNA, there seem to be a lot of differences between people on the surface, but in fact 99.7% is exactly the same.

At the same time, not all countries can be tarred with the same brush. A while ago, I found myself defending the policies of Indonesia or something, because it represented the Not America side of a falsely packaged dichotomy. There's more cultural variation between Malawi and New Zealand than there is between the UK and the US.

If there's one facet of politics you can bring British people to care about, it's important civil liberties. There are a lot of things you can say about America that are better than Britain, but I figure we're even less likely to capitulate to loss of rights here, in the name of security, or protecting children, or whatever. And even if not, the difference can't be huge.

This whole argument fails to take into account the kind of ultra-liberal countries like the Netherlands (correct me if I'm wrong, Dutch members -- even if I am, there are other liberal countries).

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QUOTE(LMOZ)

drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.