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Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="byron"]does anyone have an idea what the cap looks like?[/quote]</P>

CAPS LOCK?? WHAT?? ITS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!</P>

[/quote]LOL![/quote]</P>

what are you looking to find out exactly? what we have on the books as of right now? what we have left to spend?
</P>

[/quote]I been looking for something that shows where we stand right now ....I have seen some projections that the 2012 cap space will be around 120 mil......and we have something like 16 players looking of deals</P>

The last cap before this latest (2009)cba was 128 mil and the giants were over that in 2010 we had to make cuts of about 10 mil to get justunder this past season...I'm having a hard time understanding how players who want more money can get it with out others taking cuts....I'm seeing player movement more than we are used to...till this new cba levels out </P>[/quote]

well theres different definitions of MORE MONEY.

The way we had players take "PAYCUTS" last year was by decreasing their cap number but increasing their guaranteed money.

Giants are going to have to part with a couple major pieces for the next 2 years. It upsets me
[/quote] yeah I guess itcomes down to who they want to keep they could give Cruz a deal "mostly guaranteed money" which hits the cap easy....so guaranteed money doesn't go against the cap? just wondering here[/quote]

na and I may be off cuz the cap confuses me, but i've tried to grasp it

the cap number isn't guaranteed money. If the players don't reach incentives to get the rest of the money owed the GIants don't have to pay it but it still counts against the cap

Like Jacobs may have 4 mil on the books next year with only 1.5 of it gauranteed.

But realistically he would probably be able to acheive a mil of incentives (just as an example). So that leaves 1.5 mil that he won't get and the Giants would be charged for.

So the Giants may up his guaranteed money to 2 mil and keep his incentives that he should get but cut teh rest of the incentives to lower him overall cap hit to 3 mil total.

So he'll be in a better spot to make more money and gaurantee himself more money, while giving up the extra incentives
[/quote] got ya thanks.....needed a refresher

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="Morehead State"]

Its not "what have you done lately". Its "what can you do for us next year" that matters. I would say Hixon could continue to be an effective return guy, especially if the league puts the KO's back to the 30 like I think they will. And Matt's right, he would come cheap.</P>

[/quote]</P>

I'd take him back on returns for the price. we been lacking in that area, clearly.
I kinda wish he would serve double duty on KR and PR...but i doubt that happens. lol

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"]Matt--What inside dope do you have on AB that tells you that girl will not be happy?

My man looks like a bookworm-geek in those glasses, where's the pencil pocket protector? lol I would NEVER know who he was if I saw him on the street..[/quote]

haha my boy use to work where he lived

and he was cool with AB (Got us field passes for training camp a few years ago) and she was ALWAYS on his ****. There was some website that she gave my friend to look at where all skanks go to brag about ****ing around wtih superstars and rappers. And lets just say under ABs name there was ALOT of stuff said lol

He doesn't work there anymore so I dunno if they are still together or not, but it was his baby momma
[/quote]Well it doesn't surprise me that his favorite past time involves being off his feet. That's ok with me, AB rest those feet for next year bro. Ahmad--You deserve all the ho's you want. You brought another championship to my stadium. You get a pass.

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="byron"]does anyone have an idea what the cap looks like?[/quote]</p>

CAPS LOCK?? WHAT?? ITS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!</p>

[/quote]LOL![/quote]</p>

what are you looking to find out exactly? what we have on the books as of right now? what we have left to spend?
</p>

[/quote]I been looking for something that shows where we stand right now ....I have seen some projections that the 2012 cap space will be around 120 mil......and we have something like 16 players looking of deals</p>

The last cap before this latest (2009)cba was 128 mil and the giants were over that in 2010 we had to make cuts of about 10 mil to get justunder this past season...I'm having a hard time understanding how players who want more money can get it with out others taking cuts....I'm seeing player movement more than we are used to...till this new cba levels out </p>[/quote]

well theres different definitions of MORE MONEY.

The way we had players take "PAYCUTS" last year was by decreasing their cap number but increasing their guaranteed money.

Giants are going to have to part with a couple major pieces for the next 2 years. It upsets me
[/quote] yeah I guess itcomes down to who they want to keep they could give Cruz a deal "mostly guaranteed money" which hits the cap easy....so guaranteed money doesn't go against the cap? just wondering here[/quote]

na and I may be off cuz the cap confuses me, but i've tried to grasp it

the cap number isn't guaranteed money. If the players don't reach incentives to get the rest of the money owed the GIants don't have to pay it but it still counts against the cap

Like Jacobs may have 4 mil on the books next year with only 1.5 of it gauranteed.

But realistically he would probably be able to acheive a mil of incentives (just as an example). So that leaves 1.5 mil that he won't get and the Giants would be charged for.

So the Giants may up his guaranteed money to 2 mil and keep his incentives that he should get but cut teh rest of the incentives to lower him overall cap hit to 3 mil total.

So he'll be in a better spot to make more money and gaurantee himself more money, while giving up the extra incentives
[/quote] got ya thanks.....needed a refresher[/quote]

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="byron"]does anyone have an idea what the cap looks like?[/quote]</p>

CAPS LOCK?? WHAT?? ITS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!</p>

[/quote]LOL![/quote]</p>

what are you looking to find out exactly? what we have on the books as of right now? what we have left to spend?
</p>

[/quote]I been looking for something that shows where we stand right now ....I have seen some projections that the 2012 cap space will be around 120 mil......and we have something like 16 players looking of deals</p>

The last cap before this latest (2009)*cba was 128 mil and the giants were over that in 2010 we had to make cuts of about 10 mil to get just*under this past season...I'm having a hard time understanding how players who want more money can get it with out others taking cuts....I'm seeing player movement more than we are used to...till this new cba levels out </p>

[/quote]

well theres different definitions of MORE MONEY.

The way we had players take "PAYCUTS" last year was by decreasing their cap number but increasing their guaranteed money.

Giants are going to have to part with a couple major pieces for the next 2 years. It upsets me
[/quote] yeah I guess it*comes down to who they want to keep** they could give Cruz a deal "mostly guaranteed money" which hits the cap easy....so guaranteed money doesn't go against the cap? just wondering here[/quote]</p>

Every dime a player makes goes against the cap.* But there are certain rules about spreading out guarantees to defer some of it.</p>[/quote]

yea signing bonus i think gets spread out across the length of the contract
[/quote]Confuses me too. Wiki has excellent explanation on the entire Cap/salary/incentive stuff.

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]

Its not "what have you done lately". Its "what can you do for us next year" that matters. I would say Hixon could continue to be an effective return guy, especially if the league puts the KO's back to the 30 like I think they will. And Matt's right, he would come cheap.</p>

[/quote]</p>

I'd take him back on returns for the price. we been lacking in that area, clearly.
I kinda wish he would serve double duty on KR and PR...but i doubt that happens. lol

we'll see what happens</p>[/quote]

i think it absolutely could...

especially now

but one thing we are forgetting about return duties - we drafted Jernigan - whose return in the superbowl may be one of the most overlooked plays in that game

[quote user="byron"]does anyone have an idea what the cap looks like?[/quote]</P>

CAPS LOCK?? WHAT?? ITS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!</P>

[/quote]LOL![/quote]</P>

what are you looking to find out exactly? what we have on the books as of right now? what we have left to spend?
</P>

[/quote]I been looking for something that shows where we stand right now ....I have seen some projections that the 2012 cap space will be around 120 mil......and we have something like 16 players looking of deals</P>

The last cap before this latest (2009)cba was 128 mil and the giants were over that in 2010 we had to make cuts of about 10 mil to get justunder this past season...I'm having a hard time understanding how players who want more money can get it with out others taking cuts....I'm seeing player movement more than we are used to...till this new cba levels out </P>[/quote]

well theres different definitions of MORE MONEY.

The way we had players take "PAYCUTS" last year was by decreasing their cap number but increasing their guaranteed money.

Giants are going to have to part with a couple major pieces for the next 2 years. It upsets me
[/quote] yeah I guess itcomes down to who they want to keep they could give Cruz a deal "mostly guaranteed money" which hits the cap easy....so guaranteed money doesn't go against the cap? just wondering here[/quote]

na and I may be off cuz the cap confuses me, but i've tried to grasp it

the cap number isn't guaranteed money. If the players don't reach incentives to get the rest of the money owed the GIants don't have to pay it but it still counts against the cap

Like Jacobs may have 4 mil on the books next year with only 1.5 of it gauranteed.

But realistically he would probably be able to acheive a mil of incentives (just as an example). So that leaves 1.5 mil that he won't get and the Giants would be charged for.

So the Giants may up his guaranteed money to 2 mil and keep his incentives that he should get but cut teh rest of the incentives to lower him overall cap hit to 3 mil total.

So he'll be in a better spot to make more money and gaurantee himself more money, while giving up the extra incentives
[/quote] got ya thanks.....needed a refresher[/quote]

thats how i THINK it works...

[/quote]well I haven't read the new cba but this close enough like mh said it all goes against the cap just in different ways/times....

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][/quote]
Where ya been? You ready to be in 2nd place soon?

Lin saved your *** but then again I got lucky with Amare not playing.
[/quote]

Amare not playing AND Billups done for the year

mad busy at work. Left early Tues for metlife, took off wed, plus when i been here i been busy, and my mom is in the hospital again so just been hectic
[/quote]
Sorry to hear that man. Glad you are ok though. Billups killed ya. He was playing so well. We will both be in the playoffs for sure though. I hate how none of your boys set the team. Half the league is playing and the other half doesn't give a ****. Kind of lame but oh well. It's still fun owning you!

Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

Its not "what have you done lately". Its "what can you do for us next year" that matters. I would say Hixon could continue to be an effective return guy, especially if the league puts the KO's back to the 30 like I think they will. And Matt's right, he would come cheap.</P>

[/quote]</P>

I'd take him back on returns for the price. we been lacking in that area, clearly.
I kinda wish he would serve double duty on KR and PR...but i doubt that happens. lol

we'll see what happens</P>

[/quote]

i think it absolutely could...

especially now

but one thing we are forgetting about return duties - we drafted Jernigan - whose return in the superbowl may be one of the most overlooked plays in that game

[/quote]</P>

clutch field position for sure!! i didnt overlook it. when it happened i believe i yelled "BEST RETURN OF THE YEAR!!!!" lol
hey, if that guy does some work on returns. DO IT!</P>