In one section of the book, Woodward wrote that Donald Trump’s attorneys John Dowd and Jay Sekulow held a mock interview with the president to see how he’d fare under the questioning of the special counsel. It was so disastrous, the journalist wrote, that the attorneys re-enacted it for Mueller to show just how unprepared Trump was to face questioning.

“He just made something up,” Dowd reportedly told the special counsel at the March 5 meeting of the president’s mock interview. “That’s his nature.”

“I‘m not a lawyer and I try not to play one on TV,” Todd said while discussing the excerpt, “but it seems to me John Dowd and [White House layer] Ty Cobb confirmed to Robert Mueller that [Trump] obstructed justice.”

“They would be willing to go to Mueller and say ‘man, this guy, he’s gonna perjure himself, everything he tells you is going to be a lie,'” the host said, “which means every other witness is more credible than him.”

In response, NBC News political correspondent Steve Kornacki said it was “interesting” that Mueller didn’t contest the lawyers’ protestations but rather accepted them, per Woodward’s book.

Todd went on to wonder whether Trump is “being well-represented” by his attorneys.

The Washington Examiner noted that Dowd called Woodward’s book “the most recent in an endless cycle of accusations and misrepresentations based on anonymous statements from unknown malcontents.”

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