Although a peaceful nation for hundreds of years, Iran was invaded and occupied by the Allies in both World War One and Two. Then in 1980, at the urging of the United States, Saddam Hussein invaded them and used poison gas against both Kurds and Iran. Over 500,000 civilians, Iranian and Iraqi soldiers died in the longest war of the 20th century, which lasted until 1988.

Iran wants war because they believe they can withstand an Israel and US air assault and that unless they are invaded and occupied they can claim victory. No Middle East nation has ever been victorious against either the US or Israel and to declare victory against both will make Iran the leading nation across the entire region, at least for the people in the street. An Israel/US assault would also solve growing domestic political problems against the regime.

Israel

Bibi Netanyahu obviously believes Iran threatens the survival of Israel, as no major domestic political reasons to go to war are evident. The majority of Israel's population appears to be opposed to a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities because of retaliation from Iran and Hezbollah. But as in the US, what the majority of the people want is of no consequence.

If the war plan leaked several days ago is real (see "Bibi's Secret War Plan") it's excellent but no war plan survives the first contact with the enemy. It appears to be an exact reverse of my fictional "The First American Dollar War Defeat" in which Electromagnetic Pulse weaponry is deployed.

So Netanyahu believes Israel can delay Iranian nuclear advances by bombing them back into the Stone Age with the help of America, who will surely be drawn into the conflict. Although most neocon experts believe the war will be short with a minimum of retaliation I fear the war could be a long one, pulling in many other nations in the Middle East. Again, Iran showed its resolve against Iraq in their long war and this same determination would rise to extreme levels against an Israeli strike.

USA

The old war against terror propaganda is losing ground to alternative news and opinion now available because of the Internet Reformation. Frankly, few people believe anything from either the American government or its establishment propaganda outlets and this is a frightening situation to the power elite that rules America.

Due to the growing economic crisis, the government needs to take strong actions that could be violently resisted by large segments of the US population unless a major financial or military crisis can be used as an excuse and cover for coming dictatorial actions. Simply stated, there are not enough police and military in the US to control the population should an insurrection take place. A major war in the Middle East can provide a casus belli for a direct assault against US private wealth, liberties, benefit programs and opposition by the power elite.

For example, the imposition of a military draft will dramatically cut unemployment rates as well as limit inner-city crime and outrage over cuts in domestic spending and welfare. Remember, austerity is needed and a draconian cut in Social Security and benefit programs must be engineered against the 50 percent of the population who receive some type of government benefits.

In addition, gold will need to be confiscated. Forced retirement investment into collapsing dollar denominated Treasury obligations must be required when foreign investors stop buying US debt. Stronger TSA authority, drones and harsh domestic controls will need to be implemented for the duration of the conflict in order to squelch domestic opposition. Taxes must be raised, penalties and fines must be doubled and tripled at the federal, state and municipal levels and finally, severe limitations on freedom of speech and freedom of assembly will be forced on the American people, along with gun control and limited access to Internet news and communications.

Finally, a major, long-term war in the Middle East will provide an excuse for the deferment and rescheduling of US debt obligations owed to nations and governments that oppose the US/Israel war in the Middle East. For the $1 trillion owed to China and many Middle East nations, this is effectively debt repudiation.

China

China wants to see the US weakened long-term as a world power and a major war in the Middle East will do this. They also need a reason to dump US Treasury debt and an excuse to avoid the blame of the coming broader repudiation of US debt. The Chinese people will be justifiably outraged that the Chinese government and central bank accumulated $1 trillion in US debt, although there were legitimate global trading reasons and domestic economic justification for this over-concentration in US debt and dollar obligations.

A Middle East war would avoid direct military action between the US and China while protecting both US and Chinese politicians from the coming Treasury debt repudiation, Chinese dump and global run on the dollar and Treasuries.

Conclusion

All sides in the coming conflict – except for the civilian populations and the soldiers maimed and killed – will win if everything goes according to plan. However, nothing ever goes according to plan in wars and this is the problem the world will face. Prolonged recession or depression, wealth and benefit confiscation throughout the EU, US and other Western democracies and the risk of a Middle East conflict spreading around the world is my fear.

Who is guaranteed to win regardless of the outcome of the war and whether it can be contained? The Anglo-American financial elites and the bankers always win every conflict regardless of the military outcome. This is the history of the 20th century and I see no reason that will change now.

Forty-plus years ago, when I was in basic training, we sang the patriotic and somewhat funny marching songs. But when our drill sergeants were out of range, we would shift into "1, 2, 3, 4 what are we fighting for?"

Looks to me like nothing has changed. American soldiers are still fighting for the power elites and their favored industries. I wish it were different.

but idiot americans probably thinks US military brings "freedom" to Aladdin so that he can engage in "free trade" of magic carpets and somehow that's going to make every American in the top income tax bracket.

Ron Holland of The Daily Bell is neither bright nor knowledgeable. I have read and argued with him at The Daily Bell.

The Daily Bell is a zionist publication masquerading itself as an independent website.

A few months ago, Ron Holland advice to Ron Paul supporters was to work inside GOP to change the Party. As I indicated, GOP will not allow to R. Paul or to his supporters any room or any voice during the Convention as long as they agreed to kiss the GOP bosses ass.

PS

Ron Paul's family members are Romney supporters. His son is a staunch Romney supporter and Ron Paul is a "limited" Romney supporter. I don't know what does it means to be "a little bid pregnant."

Jew bankster-plutocrats don't rule Russia. Putin chased them out. That's why Isramerica wants to bring down Syria, Iran, and Russia. And it's not Islam that most directly threatens the West. It's Zion that's ravaging us with a lethal combination of State Socialism, Crony Capitalism, and murderous wars whose only purpose lies in keeping Israel on the map and oil-producing countries on the dollar. ZOG rules. But not for much longer. The Empire of Debt is doomed.

Putin is a bankster commie. He and all his commie ex-KGB bretheren are the ones that have profited from all the "change" in Russia the last 30 years. They are still in charge. Nothing changed, they just tricked people into thinking it changed. It did not.

All the high level EU officials? "former" commies, in bed up to the eyeballs with Putin. Nigel Farrage calls them out by name on a regular basis. Obama was placed in charge by who? Bankster commies.

Can you read Arabic? Read "Al- Zaraqawi AL-Qaida's Second Generation" written by a Jordanian, Fouad Hussain. That book, written in 2006, has accurately predicted all the actions in the middle east since then, including the Arab Spring. The people that have just taken charge of the muslim world are going to lead them into the biggest war the world has ever seen. They are being set up as the fall guys for the bankster commies. This has been the plan all along, going back to before WWI.

This is the cover needed by the Zionists to destroy the people that threaten their little kingdom in the Middle East. The import of muslims into the rest of the world allows them cover to clamp down and instal a tyrannical world government everywhere to solve the "problem", that they themselves created.

"Tell me again, when's the last time that country actually invaded someone?"

When was the last time that they really had the capability of invading anyone? Invading the Soviet Union would have been suicidal, invading Afghanistan would be pointless (and would have drawn in the Soviets and probably the Pakistanis), invading Iraq - for most of modern history, that would have drawn in the Brits back when that meant something (or the US/UN later), and an amphibious invasion of the Arabian peninsula would have been largely beyond their means and would have drawn in plenty of other powers. Plus, as soon as the Iranians got bogged down in a foreign adventure, the Russians would have jumped them to get those nice warm-water ports.

I caught about five minutes of what I've highlighted in bold below*, as it was all I was able to stomach. I will NEVER again cast a vote for any candidate of either 'major' political party in the USA. What a goddamn disgrace. Even if Ron Paul is controlled opposition, to see the party machinery's attempt to avoid any mention of his name guarantees my hate for the RNC for the rest of my natural born life. It was already there for 'the other side'. Full disclosure, I was once a registered Republican and the very first vote I cast after coming of age was for Ronny Reagan in 1980. Gawd I was a naive dumb bastard back then...because my family was Repub so was I.

The Los Angeles Times ran a story about how the Maine delegates walked out of the convention in protest over the anti-Paul purge, accompanied by a photo of fanatic-looking Paulites who are actually in the process of caucusing; however, the Times avers they “erupted in fury.” Those crazy anarchists — aren’t those acid-filled eggs they have in their pockets? I’m surprised the Times photographer was brave enough to get that close! Also noted in that same piece:

“As the roll call of states commenced, several states listed votes for both Romney and Paul. When repeating back the count, those at the podium cited only the Romney votes.”

While the “official” vote count will claim Soviet-style near-unanimity in favor of Romney, the reality is that Ron Paul garnered 190 votes from 26 states. Not bad for a guerrilla campaign that was subjected to a media blackout, smeared by the usual neocon suspects — with help from some alleged “libertarians” — and was outspent by the opposition 100-to-1.

More disclosure, the last Presidential vote I cast was for Pat Buchanan in 2000 which was the year my local precinct went total electronic. Electronic machines to cast a ballot and electronic machines to tally those votes. I asked the lady working there for my receipt showing which way my vote was cast, and she replied "these machines don't give receipts." I said, "let me know when you go back to a more verifiable method of voting and I might be back." Needless to say I haven't been back since.

Not a big deal if Iran decides to take out a banking cartel family. Game over for the globalists. Peace and prosperity ever after and the globalists might even agree to an Open Source Monetary System that is closed and community run.

There is no us against them at this point. Greece and Spain are currently under attack as well. Everything is moving into place for the globalists to strike the US as well.

And they made me pay an additional $60 for DHS on my student parking this semester to help them do it. M'Fers.

From the Wikipedia entry on WWI: "Both sides believed, and publicly stated, that the war would end soon. The Kaiser told his troops that they would be, "…home before the leaves have fallen from the trees," and one German officer said he expected to be in Paris by Sedantag, about six weeks away. Germany only stockpiled enough potassium nitrate for gunpowder for six months. Russian officers similarly expected to be in Berlin in six weeks, and those who suggested that the war would last for six months were considered pessimists. Von Moltke and his French counterpart Joseph Joffre were among the few who expected a long war, but neither adjusted his nation's military plans accordingly. The new British Secretary of State for War Lord Kitchener was the only leading official on either side to both expect a long war ("three years" or longer, he told an amazed colleague) and act accordingly, immediately building an army of millions of soldiers who would fight for years."

If the prospect of war looks ugly to both sides, a diplomatic solution is always found. It's when war looks cheap, quick and decisive that it winds up happening.

it is just like when germany bombed pearl harbor in the first world war, everyone thought that we would beat canada by september but then the mexicans invaded japan...man this medical weed is screwing me up...?

Germany only stockpiled enough potassium nitrate for gunpowder for six months.

Yes and there was no chance to get supply because the Brits blocked the German trade streams effectively since Britannia ruled the waves. This was the reason why the Brits thought WWI is going to be a joy ride and the dumbass Germans run soon out of ammunition. The events leading to WWI were exactly planned by the Brits and the Germans were caught in this net. Just to give you an idea about the predatory character of the Brits is the fact that Germany after its founding in 1870 had not fought one war till 1914 ( except a colonial massacre in Namibia to have full control of the only German colony which had importance) . The Brits during the time 1870 and 1914 were very much comparable with the US nowadays. Never ending small wars interrupted by a set of mayor strategic wars.

WWI was a miscalculation by the Brits. They underestimated Germany, or in that case the develish genius of one man, nobel laureate (1918 !!) Fritz Haber. He managed the unexpected to happen. Under his hands and guidance BASF was capable to produce synthetic gunpowder on large scale within 3 months after WWI had started, thereby eliminating a crucial factor in the calculation of the Brits.

Haber was also the guy developing and producing poison gas in big style to be used as a weapon.

But here comes the most hidden fact of this controversial personality.

Fritz Haber became later the first director of Degesch, which was the company producing Zyklon B gas to poison millions of Jews. The irony is that Haber itself was born as a Jew. Excerpt from Wikipedia: Haber was born in Breslau, Germany (now Wroc?aw, Poland), into a HasidicJewish family. His family was one of the oldest families of that town.[1] Haber later converted from strict Judaism to Lutheranism.

Nobel laureate: Haber started to introduce poisonous gas a a big style killing tool during WWI but he received the Nobel laureate for helping to feed half of the population of the world: From Wikipedia: The Haber-Bosch process was a milestone in industrial chemistry, because it divorced the production of nitrogen products, such as fertilizer, explosives and chemical feedstocks, from natural deposits, especiallally extracted nitrate production in Chile fell from 2.5 million tonnes (employing 60,000 workers and selling at $45/ton) in 1925 to just 800,000 tonnes, produced by 14,133 workers, and selling at $19/tonne in 1934.[5] The annual world production of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer is currently more than 100 million tonnes. The food base of half of the current world population is based on the Haber-Bosch process.[6]

Fritz Haber the worlds best example how the talents of a man can generate evil or good. It just depends on the circumstances. The Haber Bosch process is regarded by many as the most important invention of the 20th century. And the cowardly poisoning of people is one of the most heinous crimes since ever. My opinion: Hitler might be in the same category as Haber. Both highly talented but lacking totally moral control. Extreme thinkings and extreme doings.

You say it. The Franco Prussian war. Not Germany which was re-united under Prussian dominance as a result of this war. The old Germany had ended (after roughly 1000 years) with Napoleon taking over the German Cesars crown.

I doubt that Iran really wants a war with America, but if we do go to war with them that will be the one that breaks our backs. Our over reliance on technology is going to prove to be a weakness as other nations develope ways to counter it.

Sorry, no. Iran attacked sovereign US territory when they stormed the embassy back in the day. Legit causus belli under pretty much any established rules of war whenever someone feels like dusting it off. If they were to give it back, though...interesting.

Sorry, no. Iran attacked sovereign US territory when they stormed the embassy back in the day. Legit causus belli under pretty much any established rules of war whenever someone feels like dusting it off. If they were to give it back, though...interesting.

So you were drafted just in time for the end of the Vietnam war? Buddy we're well past that now. The "elites" as you like to call them "won" precisely because that draft could be ended. Once we shifted over to a professional military (after they went on strike when Jimmy Carter refused to pay them) "all they did was win." is it their fault that Wall Street determined national bankruptcy was better alternative? I fail to see how. Will they now have their pay cut to zero as a consequence? You tell me. This is easily the most ambitious war in US History...the fact that the nation's survival does not depend AT ALL by what goes on over there makes it all the more amazing to me. What is going on over there? Obviously you have no clue.

Tony is a Fabian, I believe this is the group Woodrow Wilson was referring to when he said “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

The Fabian Society is a very old group originating in England in 1884, with the purpose of forming a single, global socialist state. “Fabian Socialism” uses incremental change over a long period of time to slowly transform a state as opposed to using violent revolution for change. It is essentially socialism by stealth. Their original emblem was a shield with a wolf in sheep’s clothing holding a flag with the letters F.S. Today the international symbol of the Fabian Society is a turtle, with the motto below: “When I strike, I strike hard.”

To see how motivated and twisted these people are, one just has to look at the Beatrice Webb House in Surrey, England. That house has a pretty creepy stained glass window which has the following written on it:

Dear love, couldst thou and I with fate conspireTo grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,Would we not shatter it to bits, and thenRemould it nearer to the heart’s desire!

In describing the stained glass window, G. Edward Griffin in his book “The Creature from Jekyll Island” wrote:

Beneath the line “Remould it nearer to the heart’s desire!”, the mural depicts Shaw and Webb striking the earth with hammers. Across the bottom, the masses kneel in worship of a stack of books advocating the theories of socialism. Thumbing his nose at the docile masses is H.G. Wells who, after quitting the Fabians, denounced them as “the new machiavellians.” The most revealing component, however, is the Fabian crest which appears between Shaw and Webb. It is a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

He was certainly NOT inferring the Fabians in this quote. Do you know who his "handlers" were? He was controlled by Jewish bankers all the way. Besides, his core political beliefs actually lined up with Socialism. Why would he be scared of his own pals?

As for Woodrow Wilson and his "alter ego" and advisor Colonel House, this from a review of Col. House book Philip Dru: Administrator:

The Author – Colonel Edward Mandell House (1912):

Colonel House was born in Houston, Texas in 1858, to a wealthy landowning family. His parents had British roots. He was educated in New England prep schools. He attended Cornell University. He also went to school in Europe, where he surrounded himself with Fabians who believed in Socialism.

He was never in the military. He was given the honorary title of “Colonel” by the Governor of Texas, in appreciation for his political service. Texas politicians referred to him as “the King maker”.

House established a reputation as a notable behind-the-scenes Democratic political operator in Texas during the 1890’s. He exerted influence at the National level where he personally secured Woodrow Wilson’s nomination for President on the Democratic ticket in 1912. He became Wilson’s personal advisor, and was considered his “alter ego”. Wilson said, “House is my second personality, he is my independent self. His thoughts and mine are one.”

Oil was not the only reason or even the biggest reason. Here Philip Zelikow admits the real reason:

"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 – it's the threat against Israel," Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organization.

"And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell," said Zelikow.

Mr. Zelikow also went on to become the excecutive director of the September 11 Commission...so as to 'sheperd' that body in the 'right direction' and avoid embarassing details that might conflict with the official story.

The Family Steering Committee for the 9-11 Commission repeatedly called for Philip Zelikow’s resignation. The families, citing Zelikow’s close connections to the Bush Administration, were concerned that Zelikow’s appointment made a mockery of the idea that the Commission was “independent.” But the Zionist controlled Bush Administration ignored their complaint.

There's no reason for Iran to do anything but build schools roads and service infrastructure and pay for it with oil. Keep themselves out of trouble, import great technology and educators from around the world, and acquire long term prosperity. They have assets of value. They would do well to prioritize better. It's very, very easy if given latitude.

After Churchill, MI6 and the CIA launched a coup de tate to overthrow, and murder, the first democratically elected Prime Minister in 1953 because he nationalized the oil companies to do all those things you wrote above?

I is better that you read and learn WHY the Iranians HATE and mis-trust the West for very good reason!

Who is guaranteed to win regardless of the outcome of the war and whether it can be contained? The Anglo-American financial elites and the bankers always win every conflict regardless of the military outcome.

OK......let's just get rid of the elites and bankers...... problem solved.

I highly doubt that Iran sees itself as wanting a war and is willing to absorb a massive USA air campaign. To be real, and Iran's leaders are very real, Iran would be devestated and laid waste. Modern society and mordern civilization is easily disjointed by even a minimal air campaign. So NO, I would not say Iran wants war.

Israel wants war, but they want the USA to fight it with them just playing a secondary role and using the US air war as cover to accomplish some of their Middle East goals and to take out those in Iran they suspect of really being a threat to Israel.

China, YES, I do believe they see the USA as being greatly weakened if it gets sucked into fighting Iran. China does not want to see Iran fall to the USA, so they may supprt Iran via backdoor aid.

NATO/Europe. Hard to say. There is a hard core pro USA warmonger element in the elites of Europe. They may want war.

The USA wants war, and for all the reasons the writer mentions. On this score he is right on the money!

What was left out is Russia, Russia though vastly weaker than the old USSR, does still present a potential threat to USA/NATO conquest of the entire Middle East and Central Asia, which is their clear goal. Russia has until recently backed down at every step and surrendered to every USA demand short of given over sovereign status to a USA puppet ruler. But Putin seems to have decided to caving in to US demands only ups the US demands and leads to further demands. Putin has had enough and now clearly see the USA as a direct and strongly motivated threat to Russia. He believes, and is correct, that the USA is determined to subvert the Russian state and to break apart the Russian nation along ethnic and regional lines. To copy Yugoslavia and create a series of weak powerlus US puppet states that are controlled by the US Pentagon and the world IMF.

Putin and China are not natural allies, but the grave threat that the US and NATO pose to them makes them allies in desperate need of eachother. Iran is not part of the club, but the Russians and Chinese are thinking about letting them become closer to their alliance.

The Russians would be fools to let NATO and the US conquer Iran and run it as an anti Russian and anti Chinese puppet state while turning over the oil concessions to the US oil compnaies. Look to Iraq and Libya to see who now runs the oil operations and who owns them.

China is really the wild card, they could back the Iranians like they did the N Koreans and give Uncle Sam a (fatal?) bloody nose. Guns/weapons/ammo tech for oil. They need that Iranian black gold like an addict needs his fix.

jack jack - i think the real question is....how many smart bombs do we have left? if we are printing 100% of our fed budget right now, can we buy more' million dollar a kill bombs'. when american soldiers have to actually fight on the ground with a real major enemy like russia or china (or korea by proxy) and we see 5000 dead EVERY FUCKING DAY...well ....are americans going to sit still for that. killing people with a smart bomb from 1000 miles away on a computer screen is easy. when we really have to fight a real enemy, will we have the balls to do it for years....?

" But Putin seems to have decided to caving in to US demands only ups the US demands and leads to further demands. Putin has had enough and now clearly see the USA as a direct and strongly motivated threat to Russia. He believes, and is correct, that the USA is determined to subvert the Russian state and to break apart the Russian nation along ethnic and regional lines."

And when playing vs. our Poker Player in Chief, who begs patience until the second term, when he can fold us, that is a smart strategy.

"Lebanon". You mean Shia Hezbollah. And that's why Isramerica arms the Sunni-Terrorist uprising in Syria. Must break Shi'ite Crescent, cut Hezbollah supply lines before attacking Iran. If the Iranians fight half as well as Hezbollah did in '06, Isramerica is in deep trouble.

Afghanistan’s military and political situation through the years including the USSR attempts to capture the country and the US attempt to “pacify” the country along with the US “success” in the invasion of Iraq and the “freedom” of Egypt from the bad guys to the worst guys says loud and clear that the US is not ready for another war. That is not inclusive of the “maybe” fact that as a Nation we are broke and our Military has been pushed to the limit and we need to reduce the wear and tear and rest and regroup.

An army need to be fought just like a prize fighter, Training is not enough. Germany in Spain before WW2 is a perfect example. However, we don’t need any more right now. We cant take care of the returning troops with health care and jobs. We don’t need more of the same problems without solving some of the present problems.

WE need to sit the next few dances out and let MENA go. The proposed purpose suggested in this article is that WAR will be a diversion to keep the American people passive. I think not. The American people were NOT passive during Vietnam.

I would be extremely surprised if Iran had not prepared many years ago for war with the US by planting sleepers in the US with CBW capabilities. Like pest control companies with spraying capabilities. If Israel/US attack Iran with airpower I would expect plagues to break out in major US cities as well as mass deaths due to chemical clouds - how difficult is it to mix ammonia with bleach, for example? Our government has not begin to explain to the people what the consequences of this war will be - IMO it will not just be played out at a safe and entertaining distance on tv. It will come through your windows and AC vents and it will kill you in your sleep.

The good news from the government's point of view - a lot fewer pissed off people with guns to oppose their takeover. Eminent domain will allow governments at all levels to seize the property of all those killed by "terrorists". The international banks will of course have to manage the sale of all those 'abandoned' properties. And that crazy judge in West Texas? Maybe not so crazy.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed - H.L. Mencken

Sorry - have to go. There are some guys dressed in funny black uniforms at my front door.

No-No-No!!! Ask almost anyone around here, there ain't no stinkin' or odourless chems hangin' around anywhere in the MENA area. Our borders are so tight that the stuff that doesn't exist couldn't cross the border anyway.

Indeed! That statement was really "off the wall" and serves to discredit anything written in the rest of the article.

Iran being laid waste in a vicious and prolonged air war that takes out all the supports to it's military and civilian structures hardly qualifies as "solving domestic problems". You would have to be as high as Rush Limbaugh on 1,000 mg of oxy to believe that.

Though I will have to say that the 9/11 attack on the USA did solve a growing number of problems for the US elites and for the US military and intelligence structures that serve the elites. But this is FAR different than a full blown air war against a nation with minimal air defense capabilites due to Russia's unwillingness to honor their contract to sell modern mobil S-300 air defense system to Iran. The contracts were abrogated on demands from the USA and Israel. Another case of Russia backing down to western demands. In future, we may see less of this surrendering by Russia.

Israeli does not have the balls or the logistics to start a conflict with Iran independent of anybody. They need Turkey, the US, NATO, and at least one of the 'stans to even launch one sortie.

There is not going to be any prolonged air to ground campaign into Iran, unless Obama is so blackmailed and then the Buffs fly 24/7 for 10 years.

Pull up a map of Iran. It's huge. (That's what she said.) Fact book says its the size of Alaska, with terrain to match. You are talking about a nationalistic war fighting population of 30 million backed by Allah - 3 times Iraq/ How did that work out?

Iran wants to be a martyr against US/Israeli "imperialism." The War starts and guess what?

It NEVER ends. Like the war of terror.

Sadly, it will be in the US interest to shut down the Gulf, freeze China out of that oil and otherwise co-op another generation in Arabia - which is what bin ladin railed against in the first place. At some point the paid off Wahhabis are going to see the light along with the millions of poor in Egypt. The ISI will provide a bomb just for spite.

Just to clarify, according to my brother who was an Air Force pilot, "Buffs" are Air Force slang for B-52's, or maybe now updated to indicate any Big Ugly Fat Fellow heavy bomber aircraft. Fat Man was slang for one of the first atom bombs. I doubt that any air war would endure for 10 years.

The USA may wish to block China access to oil, but not at the cost of shutting down the Gulf. More likely just block China access to oil pipelines across central Asia.

As long as the military imperatives of "kill them before they kill you" do not runaway, then the article above is correct. However, the REAL weapons availiable are MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than anything that was available before 1950. If the military imperatives to "use it, before you lose it" fully kick in, then nobody wins, not even the elite banksters.

"..Frankly, few people believe anything from either the American government or its establishment propaganda outlets ..."

and those who do are fucktards....or neo-stassi agents ingratiating themselves in collective ass of the bush crime syndicate.....war in the middle east is a long held dream of the neo-cons who crafted this longterm plan at least as early as the 1970s but which blossomed in the 1990s after gulf war 1.....and yes its only purposes are to grab oil and to impose martial law....

The USD was, absolute, KING until Nixon took us off the gold standard. Now the USD is a petroleum based currency i.e. the petro-dollar.

This relationship is the only guise supporting the USD as the worlds "reserve currency". Once the world exchanges start pricing a barrel of oil in a curreny other than the USD the game is over, the jig is up etc.

I believe your "neo-con....longterm plan" and Nixon taking the USA off the gold standard was no coincidence. The neo-con long term plan was a result to convert from a gold backed USD to the current petro-dollar regime. All of this fuss is to maintain this status quo.

I saw Clark's speel but, find him slightly disingenuous since he is incumbered and lobbyist in support of the ethanol subsidy.

US needs a war because the truth is going mainstream. On the Colorado Public TV website, the nitty gritty from Architects and Engineers: an hour and a half on the overwhelming evidence for demolition. Complete with Cog Dis therapy at the end.

If WW2 was all about the Spanish Civil War, then the coming war will be all about Syria.

The Salafists (aka Wahabis, aka Al CIAda) make the Ayatollahs look like Sunday School teachers... make that Sunday School teachers who really hate kids and have a bad hangover, but nonetheless.

The battle for Syria is about Sunni vs Shia. To make it simple, the Sunni are like really grouchy Calvinist Protestants, and the Shia are like the Pope, but without the Jesuits. In this case, the Calvinsts(Sunni) have alll the money and all the power, and the Pope and his minions (the Shia) are fighting an uphill battle.

The Sunni want to break the Shia crescent that stretches from Lebanon to Iran. The Americans have had good luck with the Salafists (Sunni), but they get so confused, first the USA doesn't like Sunnis because the Israelis took down the World Trade Centers. So the USA attacks Iraq and sets up a Shia government there, but then the USA wants to attack Iran, which is Shia, and supports anti-Shia Al CIAda salafists in Syria to take out Assad, who is an Alawite (that is, an apostate heterodox Protestant sect, according to the Ayatollahs- think of Alawites as Mormons or Seventh-day Adventists who like to electrify the gonads of their political enemies).

So, what goes down in Syria is going to show us the template for the next war. I hope that cleared up the confusion for everyone.

Presumably he meant, USA pretends not liking Sunnis who were falsely blamed when the Israelis took down the World Trade Centers. Of course, it was actually the USA Government which took down the World Trade Center towers.

I think he means Hitler used the Spanish civil war to test the mettle of the West's ability to fight his regime. When France and the Anglos chickened out to stop fascism in SPain aided and abetted by Hitler; he knew he could march into Czecho and Poland.

The west, especially France, had no stomach to fight after WW1. It paid the price of Maginot illusion.

Since it was the Sunni sect that poisoned ten or eleven prophets (Shi'ite) decendents of Muhammud. I offer the following allusion:

Shi'te: Like Christians worshiping Christ

Sunni: Like Christians worshiping the Pope

Twelvers believe that the descendants of the Islamic prophetMuhammad through his daughter Fatimah and his son-in-law ‘Al? are the best source of knowledge about the Qur'an and Islam, the most trusted carriers and protectors of Mu?ammad's traditions and the most worthy of emulation.

The Twelve Imams are the spiritual and political successors to Muhammad, in the Twelver or Ithna Ashariya branch of Shia Islam.[9]According to the theology of Twelvers, the successor of Muhammad is an infallible human individual who not only rules over the community with justice, but also is able to keep and interpret the Sharia and its esoteric meaning. The prophet and imams' words and deeds are a guide and model for the community to follow; as a result, they must be free from error and sin, and must be chosen by divine decree, or nass, through Muhammad.

Ten decendents of Muhammad were poisoned by Sunnis, the Twelth vanished to Allah and is supposed to return.

I do agree that Sunnis are Salafists and Wahhabis are Sunni and not Shi'ite.

The author forgot to mention the Saudies. They want to spread their Sunnie influence and dominate the region. They also want to destroy Iran because they are Shiite. I think they are the worst war instigators in that region of the world.

what if it is just "facts and opinion" + bullshit = "factual" opinionated bullshit?

i mean at least he didn't make the fact that he has smelly feet a 'reason' too

there are much better reasons for people not to goto war

here's something i fired off a bit ealier tonight on a string i didn't have time for before the slots; this is by an oil analyst and the string was about "the endless war"; zH means bidniss and war is biiigBidness so we'll never get an aticle on a neoCon "fringe" site the maybe war is NOT in the best intersts of... us?

oil? cunts? war cunts? war mongering cunts? war mind=gering cunts with MONEY for tyler? republicunts? no problemo!

but people? that would be radical to the asses fascist asses tyler has his lips glued upon

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i appreciate your comments here, jr

it seems it is de rigeuer for any oil analyst to "expect" belligerency; that helps keep prices up!

since late last year it hasn't been in the cards, imo

libya cost the EU a FORTUNE; syria ain't cheap; other "allies" don't have the flexibility the global currency and we're tapioca too!

the article is ok and although his facts about saudi interest in overthrowing assad in syria may be factual, i do not consider them fully contextual

syria borders iraQ and we went in there under totally false pretenses in march 2003

but the border to/with syria was quite porous and open and there was a LOT of "diplomacy" around that issue as i remember; and assad wasn't pro-american; he wasn't anti-american totally i don't think, but for size of turf and population, his country is as diverse as ours isn't it?

a lot of middle-easterners were probably pretty pissed off about the invasion in 2003. i was and i'm not m-e; so assad let his diverse citizens use the border as usual; the US is the one that made all the "changes"; and it may have "cost american lives" when we couldn't control HIS borders

turkey? they responded more willingly to the US diplomacy i'd say

bilary's "handlers" want him out b/c of regional strategies and also once you piss off a neoCon stateDept, they have a long memory; near-legendary w/ the bushDynasty, for those who can think straight

i piss them off all the time, but not on the ground

so i think it may be more than "coincidental" that they had the same program as the US for different "reasons" of course

if the US were backing assad, i don't think the saudis would be 'arming his enemies' if ya catch my drift

when kofi quit i predicted there would be a buncha bloodshed and another push to the peace talks, b/c with russia this involved and friendly with assad, militarism almost certainly can not "win"

china and the rooskies will not "look away and hold their noses" as they did over libya so the US can not get the no-fly done "legally" thru the UN which i've been pointing out since last year and finally a "news" item appeared appeared this summer where men'devilish' said the same thing; around the end of kofi's 'term'

so this is 'nam-like in that a military "solution" is not in the cards and never has been

that's how much propaganda we are getting tho; the "press" is just beginning to realize there may actually hafta be peaceTalks

fuking propagandists! thousands of people are DEAD because the PRESS is not doing its job; the groupthink is beyond belief for MSM TV; put two rounds thru the TV:> his & hers

hopefully the US will see the NEED to get the hell outa the budness of organizing the trashing of the peaceTalls soon; the problem is: criminals have their blind spots, toooo... and we'd all like to rob a hundred banks; i'm sure that is why we have bankster-envy:> they rob them all the time!

even tho the saudis are fighting iranian interests in syria, they are not fighting iran

maybe somebody thinks they "should" but they weren't born last night either

not that they would fear joining the cause; it simply is not their cause

the telecommunications and internet revolutions have much more impact on traditional societies than the more westernized ones, educationally

a decade ago were were hearing all about the "schools" and perhaps some of the "teaching" was pretty crude at least by western standards

i don't know if or how much education of these children is changing, but we aren't hearing about anti-americanism being 'taught' as much at all

this is the point i was trying to look at below, earlier, too; when people realize they have been trained to hate other people mindlessly b/c they are "supposed" to and their children are now receiving the same training, some of them stop and get their kids outa there, too

we had jimCrow laws in 1950 didn't we? we still have our "attitudes" about those not "like us" but it they are not the same any more either

egypt: egypt is a very close and strong ally of the US, and this country has now elected an engineer who taught at zag-a-zig U! i want a T-shirt and a hat! he got his phD in soCal too! when he changed the military leadership he didn't take them out and shoot them, he took the new guys out in the sinai! the message may have been: i can order you to fight and die; and i can also order you to stop killing egyptians now!

now if that is close, that is a "long way, Baby" for egypt

egypt and israel have both been close US allies since jimmyCarter performed the wedding and the republican completely freaked out! but they WERE able to do it!

we spent decades getting "informed" about arafat; he'd look pretty good right now!

the CFR and foggyBottom can take their foot off the gas, too

it's not thay they haven't had their military and diplomatic successes over the last decade; it's just that most of the foreign policy was based on LIES; i don't even hafta assert that 9-11 was based on lies: yea or nay on 9-11 iraQ didn't 'do' it and iraq wasbased on lies

and 5 years later, the USA was BK by the neocon liars! timmah packed up a plane-load of benjamins and the plane landed in araq and the money~~nobody knows what happened to it and i'm not sure rummy did anything about those responsible; probably b/c they were above him in the chain of command? or it just wasn't "approprite" b/c the criminals and/or operatives might not like it

i think america deserves and answer b/c it wasn't a military deal; they just made the delivery; i guess the "oil analysts" don't "need" this piece of the puzzle to understand wtf is going on the mid-east

but i do; our citizenism does; this was a "mission" and was probably political or "diplomatic/spook"; maybe it was the cash to purchase the next 100 tons of smack; fine! who would be surprised at that? if the republicunts are gonna run drug & arms trading out the white house, why shouldn't the NY FED supply the financing? all the fuking proceeds are gonna be laundered thru the banking system too; i don''t care; i don't want to punish anyone; i just want to know wtf IS going on; i wouldn't be surprized if the NY FED got the money back! it was a 'bridge' loan

maybe the clintons & prez0 roll this way too but just didn't 'lose' a planeload of cash when the business plan hit the ground for the "supply chain"

and i think if we were given this "part", the "picture" we are sposed to see would change, too!

this isn't ancient history, this is 9 years ago

so maybe even the corpo-fascist internationalists who are exporting the "human rights that don't mean anything-democracies" under happy-happy-joy-joy UN cover can at LEAST back off long enuf to get the checkbook balanced again like it was when their fuking neoCons "won" the 2000 election

yeah:> i'm talkin to the CFR here wid ya; so i hope you see it, too L0L!!! what the HELL is going on here? maybe we should legalize H and use it to fund obamaCare & SS? the methadone industry would shit!

all i know is we're freaking BROKE from these clown acts

we don't MIND working for our livings ya know! but the people running the 'debt-enslavement' better stop w/ the fuking guns and get w/ the fuking butter:> we need 20 million jobs back

they can engineer the export; they can engineer the IMPORT; so lets see them get started with THEIR money, ok?and maybe we can simplify things a bit so they'll work better for everyone; we DO allow jobs don't we? and yes, not using the creek as the dump IS "expensive"

china can go on printed SS, foodStamps, and unemployment; we can redeem our bonds to help them!