Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.

So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?

Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.

So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?

They always planned to build this many, that said chinese engines from what intel I have seen. The deal was never "off" just delayed,

Not much of a catch tho, I merely exist in a place in the military where I can get access to such data of the Russians. That said I got a Dam and some ISIS guyts to "play" with soon peace for weeks!

Ivan Papanin armed icebreaker (pr. 23550)has been laid down yesterday.Vladimir Emelyanov minesweeper (pr. 12700) has just been laid down today.Grad missile ship (pr. 21631 Buyan-M) will be laid down on the 24th.

Also upcoming this spring/summer:

Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launchedSovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissionedAdmiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissionedAdmiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisionedIvan Gren landing ship will be commissioned

Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launchedSovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissionedAdmiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissionedAdmiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisionedIvan Gren landing ship will be commissioned

Also, 2 improved kilos for pacific fleet will be laid down this year.Vyshniy Volochek[BUYAN-M] will be commisioned for caspian or black sea fleet this year.Maybe first project 22160 Vasily Bykov also in 2017.

Btw does anyone know if the last two improved kilos for bsf will stay in the baltic or will be transferred later.

To be exact, 52 ships and submarines are under various stages of construction .In my list below, I am not including vessels that are:- under 500T displacement. I am also not including tankers, resupply ships, spy ship etc.- going to be laid down later on this year (such as the 7th Yasen, etc.)- under sea trial (Adm. Gorshkov, Adm. Makarov, Ivan Gren, Sovershenny etc.)- reserve vessels that are being modernized to be brought back to service (Adm. Nakhimov etc.)- intended for the coast guard

Furthermore, that number is going to increase by a few more units that are going to be laid down later this year (2 Project 636 Kilo class, the second Papanin, more Karakurts, etc.).By the beginning of 2018 the number of ships under various stages of construction will be in excess of 60.None of the above ships will enter service this year. They will be commissioned starting next year onwards. Starting with 2019, we should expect a commissioning rate of minimum 10 per year for the foreseeable future.

TheArmenian wrote:..............This is the second ship of the project 18280.It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next???

TheArmenian wrote:..............This is the second ship of the project 18280.It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next???

Your guess is as good (or bad) as mine.

My guess:One more Project 18280 spy ship will be laid down (they are planning to have 4 of these ships) plus one Project 20386 (Derzky) class frigate.When the third Gorshkov class is launched towards the end of the year, they will lay down the first super-Gorshkov. The Navy will suffice itself with 4 Gorshkovs only. Super-Gorshkov is what they are looking forward to.

Finally, it seems that the ships of the Project 22350 are entering in the size of the current Destroyers of the Russian Navy fleet, despite to be called Frigate, and even there is a plan for a bigger variant. It seems to be the right ship to replace the current Destroyers, wich means the Project 21956 definitely ruled out.

The following list includes all the combat ships under production, no matter the timeline. Some of the ships maybe for export, but the buyer is not clear still. The list includes not reparations. The list includes not auxiliary ships for the Russian Navy, and between them, includes not low armed patrol ships.

As commented other times, Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions is being low, as expected, as planned.

I do not expect cancellations. It means loses. Even the ships with longer timeline under construction should be completed for the Russian Navy or to export, in order to avoid loses.

I expect a low number of orders in the State Armament Program 2018-2025. The minimum number of orders of new ships necessary to reach a capability of building every type of combat ship by the end of 2025, would be 1 Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier and 1 Project 23460 Cruiser/Destroyer. In my opinion this is an important goal for Russia. Also I expect some order of big amphibious ships.

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Finnishing the process of reduction of the combat fleet of the Russian Navy, the logical situation for the following years would be a situation of stability in the fleet.

Taking into account that the ships of the 1980s can have still some renovation, update and upgrade, that can make them useful until the 2030s, we can expect a low amount of old ships to retire before 2024-2025. The logical situation for the following years would be a situation with low number of decommissions and low number of commissions, and a process of replacement ship by ship (which mean not to be identical or totally equivalent ships). As example, in 2016, it were 4 decommissions (1 by sale) and 5 commissions, and in the first half of 2017, it has not been decommissions and commissions in the combat fleet of the Russian Navy.

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Annual report of the Northern BCP for 2016. The development of a draft outline for a prospective NC

06/03/2017 Open for public access Annual report of JSC Northern PKB for 2016.

The most significant information in the report is the data on the 100% technical readiness for the outline of the draft design of the ship 23560 (a prospective vessel of the ocean zone) at the end of 2016. Other names mentioned in the various documents: Research Leader, Leader, Leader-1, "Leader-St. Petersburg").

The main indicators for the types of work planned in 2016 are given in the following table:

Possibly, though its a fair bit smaller and doesn't (apparently) have the anti-personnel acoustic sensors or grenade-launchers typically used against saboteurs (ie frogmen), though these could be fitted of course.

Anyhow, its not like the Grachonok are old vessels (first builds from 2008 or so), unless they are a bit on the pricey side for their role?