have there been instances within the official mirzaidom on such subjects as gay sex or lesbianism? to anyone's knowledge are these sexual styles prevalent in this closed cult? is there any "ilham" of the sardonic mirza on these themes? i do remember reading somewhere that he had a vision where G-d concluded sexual intercourse with him.

Well, the ilham was explained to a disciple and he wrote it is his book. Qadianis try to deny that ilham as it does not appear in books of Mirza.

However, there are various ilhams/dreams of Mirza that are full depiction of his sexual frustration. The list is so long, I can put all. But to name a few:

* Mirza was in habit of hugging nude men and watching nude women and hugging them clad. Download Tadkirah and search the word "nude" or "naked" or go to http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com/opponents (only for women entry).

newobserver, many thanks for a detailed response. your references to some of the published works of the qadiani sex maniac fly in the face of his blind followers. how on earth can they deny when it is right there, in their own publications? has anyone seen vol 30 in rk, pages 75-77 (arya dharam). this pornographic poem, if and when translated, would be proscribed! at the face of it this hugh hefner of qadian claims to condemn the practice of "neog" among arya dharam believers but uses such a pedestrian language that shames a street whore. my foot sultan-ul qalam.

thanks for that. it is amazing that this pornographer got away with this and educated people continue to pay chanda in his name. what a farce. since qadianis like to recite the ilhami and arifana kalam so often in their gatherings, can any qadiani dare to recite this poem in one of the jalsa salana in the uk and then translate the damn thing in other languages? i wonder what the qadianis who lurk around this board will have to say on this proposal?

that turned out to be a nice site! thanks. where can i find this maktoobat? give credit where credit is due. mirza qadiani pioneered pornography in urdu. i don't know what this bugger did in farsi. someone must hunt for some hidden treasures. i wonder if mirzai family can huddle around and read this junk together for their spiritual upliftment!

though this is a very dirty topic posted by dirty peoples , i just like to show u guys something

(4) Narrated Samura bin Jundub: Allah's Apostle very often used to ask his companions, "Did anyone of you see a dream?" So dreams would be narrated to him by those whom Allah wished to tell. One morning the Prophet said, "Last night two persons came to me (in a dream) and woke me up and said to me, 'Proceed!' I set out with them and we came across a man Lying down, and behold, another man was standing over his head, holding a big rock. Behold, he was throwing the rock at the man's head, injuring it. The rock rolled away and the thrower followed it and took it back. By the time he reached the man, his head returned to the normal state. The thrower then did the same as he had done before. I said to my two companions, 'Subhan Allah! Who are these two persons?' They said, 'Proceed!' So we proceeded and came to a man Lying flat on his back and another man standing over his head with an iron hook, and behold, he would put the hook in one side of the man's mouth and tear off that side of his face to the back (of the neck) and similarly tear his nose from front to back and his eye from front to back. Then he turned to the other side of the man's face and did just as he had done with the other side. He hardly completed this side when the other side returned to its normal state. Then he returned to it to repeat what he had done before. I said to my two companions, 'Subhan Allah! Who are these two persons?' They said to me, 'Proceed!' So we proceeded and came across something like a Tannur (a kind of baking oven, a pit usually clay-lined for baking bread)." I think the Prophet said, "In that oven t here was much noise and voices." The Prophet added, "We looked into it and found naked men and women, and behold, a flame of fire was reaching to them from underneath, and when it reached them, they cried loudly. I asked them, 'Who are these?' They said to me, 'Proceed!' And ..................................

Bukhari

(Book #87, Hadith #171)

now observer and other , what is your view of that view of naked women , men