The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

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Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Originally Posted by Helix

and if they manage to cheat the system, they should be fined out of existence. eventually, we will make enough examples that businesses like Tyson and others will be too afraid to take the risk.

You really have never dealt with any of this in real life have you? I'm sorry, your theories just don't meet with the real world reality. Our current system of immigration is fine. We already have most of the law we need to deal with the illegals situation. It's will never be a fix it and forget it thing. We will always have to be shown to be enforcing these laws.

Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Originally Posted by jamesrage

Anyone who regulllary goes to the immigration forum and watches pro-illegals speak sees them spew that nonsense. Sometimes they just post a picture of indians holding guns with the caption "fighting illegal immigration since 1492". Which in reality that picture if anything helps the anti-illegal immigration side more due to the picture being a cautionary tale of what happens when you do not control your borders.

I personally love it when they protest with Mexican flags, they think it helps their argument because they have been raised being told this is Mexico. Thats what they teach south of the border.

Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Originally Posted by Helix

sure it will. every job goes through everify, and fines for noncompliance should be crushing. like business ending fines, even if you subcontract so that you can pretend that you don't know. and we use those fines to fund enforcement.

now speaking realistically, this will never happen, because the industries which are the draw for illegal labor have too much lobbying power. but we're on an internet message board, which gives us the luxury of coming up with a real solution. in reality, if you don't like illegal immigration, the only thing you can really do is not buy the products of businesses that depend on it. good luck with that, though.

No it wont. Every "solution" you mention has been tried here in CA, and its failed.

The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ˝ hours for an acre of wheat.

The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year — only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.

And dont forget the added costs to law enforcement (Crime), health care, education, transportation, etc.
A few years back illegals boycotted for a day state wide by staying home and the only noticeable difference was less traffic.

Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Originally Posted by clownboy

You really have never dealt with any of this in real life have you? I'm sorry, your theories just don't meet with the real world reality. Our current system of immigration is fine. We already have most of the law we need to deal with the illegals situation. It's will never be a fix it and forget it thing. We will always have to be shown to be enforcing these laws.

He probably lives in delaware or something and thinks he knows whats going on because of something he read in New Yorker.

Re: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Native Americans these days do not overly object to immigration anymore than Aboriginals in Australia. Natives tend to feel less hate overall and would share everything if their rights were respected. Afterall the USA was almost totally managed land by natives before european arrival. In fact more forests grew after Europeans arrived, because the natives had been burning the land and creating plains so buffalo would graze down. The whole USA was like a game-park they had developed. They even invented corn by somehow cultivating a certain type of wheat that started off very small. I was sitting next to a big indian man with long hair at a library computer center recently and I saw him playing golf on the computer. He was a total cliche looking indian, but seemed absorbed by computer golf. Only later it occured to me that an Indian would be attracted to a golf course as it is managed land. It has sudden treelines than end in grass plains. Indians used to create these sudden treeline halts with fire intentionally.