well given this is a topic about languages, i'd find it more annoying if people said that it was a perfect example of romanceat least calling it the wrong form of english is slightly more relevant

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:01 am

Sleet

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Re: Languages

That was cold. >.>

I'm always surprised at how different Old English is from current English. On one hand, the name is kind of deceptive in that way, though on the other hand, it is what they spoke in England in old times. On the topic of related languages, I'm kind of jealous of some other languages that have very similar languages spoken still today. Almost no one speaks Scots, and German is far from mutually intelligible.

I'm always surprised at how different Old English is from current English. On one hand, the name is kind of deceptive in that way, though on the other hand, it is what they spoke in England in old times. On the topic of related languages, I'm kind of jealous of some other languages that have very similar languages spoken still today. Almost no one speaks Scots, and German is far from mutually intelligible.

I know somebody who speaks Scots.

Also, Dutch is easily understandable, at least if you know both English and German. I remember watching Attack of the Show (which for the record, I absolutely hate), and they had this clip of something or another and it was in Dutch, and the guys were being their normal terrible selves and they spoke of how they couldn't understand what was going on, but it was funny anyway...and I thought it was totally understandable. Really, sometimes Dutch just sounds like guttural English. Doesn't much read like it though.

Also, Old English is...old, and English had a lot of different influences come into it and change it. Unlike say, Modern Icelandic, which to my non-specialist ears and eyes, is basically exactly like Old Norse.

Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:37 am

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Re: Languages

Well Middle English was both prior to the Great Vowel Shift in English, so basically imagine taking this Middle English, which is already a far cry from Modern English in its pronunciation of words, and bringing it back closer to its West Germanic origins. It's little wonder Old English is so different to Modern English.

On the other side of the scale, the High Germanic consonant shift messed things up significantly enough that Luxembourgish, Yiddish, German etc. are now sufficiently unintelligible to speakers of other Germanic languages. Sure, there's always borrowing, but there's at least one reason why words with identical origins have ended up so different between English and German. I didn't even think it made sense for English to be Germanic when I first started exploring linguistics. Shows how much I knew.

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:02 am

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Re: Languages

ChewyChewy Wrote:

I don't mean to correct your French, but it's "Parlez-vous anglais?" I can't correct the "C" in "francais" because I don't know how to do special letters....

Oops. My bad. Don't worry about it... I either make myself look like an idiot here, or make an idiot of myself on my French tests. Sooo.... it's fine. =)I know I need the 's' looking thing (cidilla?) on francais, but I don't know how to do that character either. xD

Nice to meet you Alex M. I'm only in French 1, so I got:I am Alex. I am French, and (something) is the (something) language (when? too sleepy to pull out notes atm.) I speak.

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Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:26 pm

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Re: Languages

Beagle Wrote:

ChewyChewy Wrote:

I don't mean to correct your French, but it's "Parlez-vous anglais?" I can't correct the "C" in "francais" because I don't know how to do special letters....

Oops. My bad. Don't worry about it... I either make myself look like an idiot here, or make an idiot of myself on my French tests. Sooo.... it's fine. =)I know I need the 's' looking thing (cidilla?) on francais, but I don't know how to do that character either. xD

English, French, and some various con-langs. I'd show my most recent creation, but I'm not done with the font. This is my first time moving away from pure oligosynthism, because in pure oligosynthism, I found either a bloated alphabet arises, or bloated words. There is also the risk of having ideas you may not be able to accurately portray.

My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system):

The one I'm currently working on is nearly finished... I'll likely post something on it then. This one has a base-24 (so it also supports 3 as a root)There was an intermediate version that was never finished - it has a base-16(Note: versions prior to the base-25 used base-any magnitude of 10 (ie, 10,100,1000,10000,etc) due to a neat trick in glyph generation)

English, French, and some various con-langs. I'd show my most recent creation, but I'm not done with the font. This is my first time moving away from pure oligosynthism, because in pure oligosynthism, I found either a bloated alphabet arises, or bloated words. There is also the risk of having ideas you may not be able to accurately portray.

My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system):

The one I'm currently working on is nearly finished... I'll likely post something on it then. This one has a base-24 (so it also supports 3 as a root)There was an intermediate version that was never finished - it has a base-16(Note: versions prior to the base-25 used base-any magnitude of 10 (ie, 10,100,1000,10000,etc) due to a neat trick in glyph generation)

It looks very nice.

But oligoynthism? Why? There aren't any languages like that in real life!

I never get very far with a con-lang because creating an entirely new vocabulary always seems such a daunting task <--(me at all the new words I gotta make)

Avan Wrote:

My last language (that had a font made - it also has a base-25 numeric system)

I was all over base 25 once... then I looked at the fractions... a system where 1/2 is an infinite decimal makes me laughSo now I'm all over base 30 (1/2 = 0.BBBBBBBB... vs 1/2 = 0.F)

At some point you have to balance the number of factors with the number of digits. Bigger bases mean more convenient fractions but really complicated sets of digits. Smaller bases make for easier digits but more complicated fractions. In my opinion the best balance is base 12.

1/2 = .61/3 = .41/4 = .31/5 = .(2497), which can be approximated as .251/6 = .21/7 = .(186A35), which is pretty terrible but is equally terrible in most bases1/8 = .161/9 = .141/A = .1(2497), which can be approximated as .1251/B = .(1)1/10 = .1

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