so this thing effectively has 1600x900 real workspace if the dpi is set to 1:2not ideal. those scaling options have to go lower-level so software can render properly (then again, most won't, because of some graphical elements that aren't vectorial)and here i thought windows 8 fixed the "retina" issues... guess i'll stick to 7 and an older device for a while longer

Did you test with Windows 8.1 or Windows 8? Your first paragraph is unclear regarding this important point. Lenovo is currently shipping the Yoga 2 Pro with Windows 8.1. If your test system came with plain 8, you really should have tried updating it to 8.1. If you were using 8.1, that would be good to know you're continuing to have issues. (Typing on a HiDPI desktop on 8.1 myself... things are definitely interesting with two regularish resolution monitors plus a QHD.)

Edit: It was the first paragraph of the second page that had me puzzled:

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Really, almost every headache we encountered in our Yoga 2 Pro testing came from how Windows 8 handled such a high resolution. As 8.1 sees a wider-scale rollout to users in the near future, the OS may become better optimized for a 276 PPI future, but as of press time, it’s not up to snuff.

The box back on the first page and a Andrew Cunningham's reply made it clear that they were using 8.1.

The problems with the HiDPI display were chief among factors that made me choose a Thinkpad Yoga over the Y2Pro. I love small laptops, and the 1080P looks fantastic on the 12.5" screen, and it doesn't suffer from the scaling issues that the higher res brings with it.

Wrong GPU for driving a high-res screen. It should have a GT3 part like the HD 5000 as a minimum. Why is it only Apple who are pushing Intel HD 5000/5100/5200 GPUs in their devices? Almost every other laptop is stuck on 4400/4600 due to manufacturers cheaping out.

Wrong GPU for driving a high-res screen. It should have a GT3 part like the HD 5000 as a minimum. Why is it only Apple who are pushing Intel HD 5000/5100/5200 GPUs in their devices? Almost every other laptop is stuck on 4400/4600 due to manufacturers cheaping out.

Are there any Wintel machines at all with the HD5000? The Macbook Pro is the only machine I've ever seen it advertised on.

Did you test with Windows 8.1 or Windows 8? Your first paragraph is unclear regarding this important point. Lenovo is currently shipping the Yoga 2 Pro with Windows 8.1. If your test system came with plain 8, you really should have tried updating it to 8.1. If you were using 8.1, that would be good to know you're continuing to have issues. (Typing on a HiDPI desktop on 8.1 myself... things are definitely interesting with two regularish resolution monitors plus a QHD.)

Wrong GPU for driving a high-res screen. It should have a GT3 part like the HD 5000 as a minimum. Why is it only Apple who are pushing Intel HD 5000/5100/5200 GPUs in their devices? Almost every other laptop is stuck on 4400/4600 due to manufacturers cheaping out.

Are there any Wintel machines at all with the HD5000? The Macbook Pro is the only machine I've ever seen it advertised on.

Wrong GPU for driving a high-res screen. It should have a GT3 part like the HD 5000 as a minimum. Why is it only Apple who are pushing Intel HD 5000/5100/5200 GPUs in their devices? Almost every other laptop is stuck on 4400/4600 due to manufacturers cheaping out.

Are there any Wintel machines at all with the HD5000? The Macbook Pro is the only machine I've ever seen it advertised on.

As far as I've seen, the higher-spec Asus Zenbook UX301 with the 2560x1440 has a 5100, but it's a heck of a lot more expensive than the 13 inch MBP and really hard to find in the UK. There's also one by System76 with the 5200 Iris Pro, but it doesn't count as Wintel as it's shipped with Ubuntu. They're a US-only supplier anyway.

our tape measure confirms a thickness of 0.61” on both ends (meaning the tapering cut in material on the front end is mostly illusion).

I'm pretty sure the taper on the edge is to make the device easier to pick up from a flat surface (gives your fingers somewhere to wedge on to). This has been on many Thinkpad models for a long time now.

so this thing effectively has 1600x900 real workspace if the dpi is set to 1:2not ideal. those scaling options have to go lower-level so software can render properly (then again, most won't, because of some graphical elements that aren't vectorial)and here i thought windows 8 fixed the "retina" issues... guess i'll stick to 7 for a while longer

Desktop scaling in Windows can be set to a variety of percentages, including custom percentages, so your "real workspace" as you call it can vary. If your eyes are capable, you can render desktop elements as small as 1:1.

Windows will automatically scale any apps other than those that mark themselves as "high DPI aware" in their manifests. The problem is that many developers, particularly of apps that deal with media, check this though their apps are *not* high-DPI aware, presumably to avoid having to do the real work of fixing their code.

The Windows 8 defense brigade should be along shortly to explain that if Windows 8 wasn't making you poop sunshine then you are clearly doing something wrong.

Win 7 is certainly no better than Win 8 when it comes to above-FHD resolutions. This isn't a place for an 8 v 7 flameear.

I'ts not a 8 vs 7 issue, it's a 'MS's current OS doesn't make the most of available hardware' issue. There are some sweet hiDPI displays out there that are currently pointless because someone is worrying about making billboard apps look pretty instead of focusing on productivity apps.

My sister actually got one of these, and loves it so far. But she also doesn't do any gaming, so there is that. Personally, I feel that in a device of this size I'm fine with 1080P, so my surface pro 1 suits my needs perfectly in that respect.

It's really odd that you have issues with the "latest Internet Explorer" at 3200x1800. I used a Samsung ATIV Book 9 Plus at a Microsoft Store without a single problem. Everything within Internet Explorer seemed to render properly with crystal clear sharpness. What exactly did you use with menu problem?

I was excited about this computer until I learned that it has a Pentile display.Pentile just doesn't make any sense to me for an LCD. The panel has a white/clear subpixel. That means that any saturated color will look too dark next to white.You can set it to a mode to compensate for this, but then you end up with less power efficiency than you'd get with an RGB display.

Here's a simulation I made. While the whites are brighter, yellows (or any other saturated color) are darker than a traditional RGB display.

I wish it had the Iris Pro 5200. I really want a nice 4th generation i7 and Iris Pro 5200 in either a mini-PC or laptop for Linux. So far I'm looking at the Gigabyte Brix, new ASUS Zenbook UX301 and the new System76 Galago UltraPro 14.1"

At this sort of resolution it doesn't make since for it to have anything less than the Iris Pro 5200.

The Windows 8 defense brigade should be along shortly to explain that if Windows 8 wasn't making you poop sunshine then you are clearly doing something wrong.

Win 7 is certainly no better than Win 8 when it comes to above-FHD resolutions. This isn't a place for an 8 v 7 flameear.

I'ts not a 8 vs 7 issue, it's a 'MS's current OS doesn't make the most of available hardware' issue. There are some sweet hiDPI displays out there that are currently pointless because someone is worrying about making billboard apps look pretty instead of focusing on productivity apps.

Desktop application developers have to do some work to make use of newer OS features for high-DPI, but the OS certainly supports the hardware. Windows, in fact, is capable of supporting hardware of varying display densities, not just 100% and 200% (as on 'Retina' Macs).

It would be nice if Microsoft could wave a magic wand, but there are valid reasons why Microsoft allows developers to opt-out of system level scaling, and why Windows continues to support older UI frameworks and fonts that are not high-DPI compatible. In Metro, at least, they had a clean slate.

The Windows 8 defense brigade should be along shortly to explain that if Windows 8 wasn't making you poop sunshine then you are clearly doing something wrong.

Win 7 is certainly no better than Win 8 when it comes to above-FHD resolutions. This isn't a place for an 8 v 7 flameear.

I'ts not a 8 vs 7 issue, it's a 'MS's current OS doesn't make the most of available hardware' issue. There are some sweet hiDPI displays out there that are currently pointless because someone is worrying about making billboard apps look pretty instead of focusing on productivity apps.

Desktop application developers have to do some work to make use of newer OS features for high-DPI, but the OS certainly supports the hardware. Windows, in fact, is capable of supporting hardware of varying display densities, not just 100% and 200% (as on 'Retina' Macs).

It would be nice if Microsoft could wave a magic wand, but there are valid reasons why Microsoft allows developers to opt-out of system level scaling, and why Windows continues to support older UI frameworks and fonts that are not high-DPI compatible. In Metro, at least, they had a clean slate.

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I agree, they had a clean slate with Metro, but the decision to allow it to co-exist with the traditional windows desktop just makes a royal mess for everyone. Devs of new products will probably at least try to make things work with Metro, devs of legacy apps say 'why bother, look at the miserable adoption rate', and the rest of us get to bitch about how neither Metro nor the traditional desktop are ideal for us anymore.

I'm always skeptical of reviews that cite horribly inaccurate touchpads. I've been using an HP Folio 13--one of the first ultrabooks available--since December 2011 and it's touchpad is fine once you adjust the Synaptics settings.

Owner here, The memory is soldered on to the board so there is no upgrading later. So buy the one you want to have later now. Only two components are upgradable, the m.2 ssd and m.2 NIC card.

Love the screen and speed of the i7 w/8gb. The ssd is slower at read/write than other m.2 ssd's and no matter what model you get, they all come w/ the paltry 802.11n single band 7260N card. Bluetooth is seriously crippled w/ Intel power mgmt. You can buy a 7260NGW dual band 802.11ac card and double you internet speed (depending on router and internet connection).

Looks like a great device. But windows DPI scaling really hampers it here. They could have offered a 1600x900 mode, but I'm not sure how well this "pixel-quadrupling" would work given its a PenTile display.

Can the author really be so oblivious to those massive bezels above and below the screen? 16:10 was always a superior aspect ratio to 16:9 for general computing use, yet somehow reviewers have been conned into believing that it is beneficial to avoid "black bars" during video. This is despite the fact that as display technology improves with better rendering of blacks you shouldn't be able to distinguish black on the screen from a black bezel (not that it ever bothered me with video on any existing 16:10 screen either).

Hi-dpi/retina continues to be "exciting", depending on your needs. I own a Retina macbook pro, on which I use both OS X and Windows 8.1. The situation is much better than it was under Windows 7 or even 8, although nowhere near as good as it is on the Mac side (where everything is awesome - I have exactly one application which isn't perfect on a retina display, and it's at least useable, which I can't say about some applications in hi-dpi on the windows side).

Visual Studio 2013 is quite good, despite a handful of remaining quirks buried deep. SSMS is ok. My main remaining problem is that IE and Chrome are both miserable on external displays, although they're ok on the main "retina" display. Some of my secondary apps work very poorly, although I'm about 95% in VS/SSMS/Outlook. Support for external, non-retina monitors is vastly improved and yet still uninspiring.

High density is the future, and awesome when everything works, but you really need to know how well your individual applications are supported before making the jump. Once 4k displays become affordable, things will surely improve, I hope.