I gave several women oral sex and they came like it was a vaginal orgasm (full body shaking, twitching etc). I suspect that they were faking it because I read that in the clitoral orgasm the orgasm is limited to vaginal area. Is it possible to experience a full-body orgasm, with tingling sensations that come in waves from your head down to your toes only with oral sex?

This really needs an up-to-date citation, but both men and women can have mind-blowing, "full-body" orgasms, or meh-maybe-better-than-nothing orgasms, depending on the circumstances. Despite the external differences, people are not wired that differently.

Is it possible to experience a full-body orgasm, with tingling sensations that come in waves from your head down to your toes only with oral sex?

Only if you are doing it correctly. My first girlfriend was quite young and inexperienced and she didn't know anything about faking it at the time and yes she experienced multiple full body orgasm's from oral sex many many times.

Um, yeah? Well, more prostate/taint area and along the bottom of the penis, but yeah that's about 90-100% of the time? I reckon that's the root (heh) of the joke: "Why don't women always have orgasms? Who cares?" It's not that we're insensitive, it's that we generally have no clue what an orgasm is or at least can be, so have no idea what all the fuss is about when you're not getting yours. I was about 45 when ... well, when I realized what all the fuss was about. Prior to that my O was on par with a really good slice of pizza--given the choice I'd be flipping a coin.

Is it possible to experience a full-body orgasm, with tingling sensations that come in waves from your head down to your toes only with oral sex?

Orgasms, of course, can vary in intensity. It's possible for oral sex to result in intense orgasms as you've described, but most likely when you've been reading the term "full-body orgasm", what was being referred to wasn't the intensity of the orgasm, but to where and how it occurred, which is usually of a greater intensity than clitoral orgasms.

Keep in mind not everything you read in books and online are based on facts, but there is evidence that vaginal orgasms are not a result of clitoral stimulation, or at least not solely clitoral stimulation.

That's not to say those are the only two areas that can be stimulated that can result in orgasm. Women have reported having orgasms due to stimulation of parts of the vulva other than the clitoris, nipples, anal sex and fantasy alone.

The best gauge as to whether or not a woman is faking it is how often she wants to repeat it or come back for more. I am the old fashion type admittedly and have never even glanced at a sex technique book in my life. So I freely admit to lacking in technique. I have had to adjust my strategies over the years to things I was good at which included getting inside their head. I have found with at least adequate technique a woman can have mind blowing orgasms if she is brought along slowly mentally. When a woman feels the man is hard to break down and become vulnerable she really starts getting turned on as she sees herself accomplishing this. So even though the man is in complete control of the situation the woman feels like she is stearing the whole thing and at that point her sex organs become very sensitive and ripe! I vote for anything that turns her on can give her a full body orgasm.

Getting back to the question (as it might be reasonably interpreted), my partners of the last ten years or so definitely seem to have more observably profound orgasms from G-spot or anterior fornix stimulation than from clitoral stimulation alone. To illustrate, clitoral orgasms seem to be accompanied by stiffening, writhing, and either enthusiastic verbal agreement or repeated supplications to the divine. "Interior" orgasms, on the other hand (so to speak), are characterized more by full-body bucking than writhing, and more by loss of vocal capacity than by any verbal expresssion. The confounding variable here, of course, is that G-spot / anterior fornix stimulation usually follows oral stimulation of the clitoris, and more often than not both forms of stimulation are applied concurrently. Simultaneous application of oral stimulation to the clitoris and manual stimulation to vaginal nerve centers may or may not be considered "oral sex" by the OP for purposes of this question. So there's that.

Interestingly enough, given the above, most of my partners (with one notable exception, who had very little clitoral sensitivity but was still fully orgasmic from vaginal stimulation) were much more apt to ask for oral sex than for G-spot / anterior fornix play. Profound, it seems, does not always equate to preferred.

Happy Valentine's Day!

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"Although clitoral orgasms can be intense, theyíre typically centered around your vagina and may only last a few seconds or so.

If youíre stimulating your cervix, you may feel the buildup of pressure spread throughout your whole body. This may lead to a full-body orgasm, with tingling sensations that come in waves from your head down to your toes."

The proper answer for pretty much everything related to sex is "people vary tremendously."

Agreed, 100%.

Every time I see some blurb about how all orgasms are clitoral and men need to understand this, I sigh a little. That's likely true for most women, but not all. Like I said above, I had one partner who had very little sensation in her clitoris, but her anterior fornix - oh, boy. One of my best friends (whom I've not been intimate with, but who likes sharing details) is similar - fisting all the way for that person. Everybody's different.

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I think there may be a discrepancy on what the actual "orgasm" part is. When I have one, there is a rush of endorphins over my whole body. But the most pleasurable sensation is confined to an area near the genitals. It can maybe go down to my knees if I move my thighs with it. Both sensations can vary in intensity, particularly depending on how long it's been since the previous orgasm. The endorphin rush happens first, and I admit I didn't notice it for a long while.

I was with a woman last year who had around 30 undifferentiated body clinching orgasms during a little more than an hour of oral and vaginal sex (with me). I am an old dog and thought I had seen everything, but I had no idea. I guess she is the outlier in this study...

Nope, not from my experience. My orgasms seem to happen 90% in the brain, endorphin rushes and whatnot. The other ten percent is a bodily experience I guess, and I suppose the dick is a focal point. But fuck... who the hell is stopping to analyze an orgasm halfway through? I know I'm not.

To the OP, I strongly believe that whether through clitoral or penetrative stimulation, an orgasm of the right intensity arriving right on time (or at the point of greatest release and satisfaction) will make a woman's (or anyone's) brain go so goofy that they will squirm and writhe some. Also if you don't stop what you are doing, at the point of overstimulation they will do whatever they possibly can to wriggle their way to freedom and reprieve. Damn, women are cute. Also they are the best folks to answer the question, and my guess is that the answer will probably be quite diverse if you have a large enough sample. My suspicion is that lots of women experience orgasms differently from each other. Proof that not all women are made in Detroit, nor did they come off an assembly line.

But yeah from a guy's perspective, it can be hard to say for sure how to gauge if an orgasm is being faked. If it seems over the top but controlled, I usually think it's either faked or the girl is a total showpony, exaggerating for theatrical effect. If it seems a little more subdued and understated (although not so downplayed that the reaction was looking like she needed to sneeze) then it's probably real. If she practically knocks your teeth out with her flailing knee then it is not only probably real but you deserve to feel a little smug while tending to your bleeding lip.

But yeah, obviously this is just a simplified interpretation from the male perspective and you should probably throw it back out to the ladies and vagina owning non-binaries before deciding if my advice is any good to you. Maybe even just ask one of the girls you've been sleeping with if you trust them to be honest?

I'm wondering if that boyfriend I had who was the grab-grab-push kind had never had a decent orgasm. Maybe that's the problem with the grab-grab-push guys, their own experience is limited to an itty-bitty-part* so they don't realize the rest of their body is also an erogenous zone. Someone ought'a go and do research.

* Unless you're a skinny gnome with priapism your Little Me is a lot smaller than the rest of your body.

I have travelled the four corners of the earth. I have fought many a good man, and Iíve lain with many a good woman. If there is one thing Iíve learned itís this:

The orgasm that she is representing is for you.

Think about it like she got a Christmas present from her grandma. Maybe she got some frumpy socks that she will never wear. If she is a nice girl she will react with just as much enthusiasm and love as if Grandma bought her a sports car.

The fact is itís a lot more about whatís going on in her head, and not so much about your technique.

The fact is itís a lot more about whatís going on in her head, and not so much about your technique.

Hm, intriguing, I disagree with the first line I quoted, but agree with the second. I feel like it's more about whether the two people are fluent in the same sexual language. Is there some kind of simpatico understanding, synergy or synchronicity going on? I feel like when that happens all parties involved (let's face it, sometimes sex happens between three or more people) drop all their pretensions, and theatricality and lose self consciousness, especially as hormonal rushes and swells begin interfering with complex cognitive processes.

Which is kinda why people are more likely to pull stupid faces than sexy ones at the point of orgasm. Loss of cognitive and motor control is a big part of it, which is why the French call an orgasm la petite mort (the little death).

So I believe that unless the woman you are sexing is not that into it, or a sex-worker who is completely burnt out on sex, then her orgasm is not a presentation but a state of being. A primal and visceral one.

Hm, intriguing, I disagree with the first line I quoted, but agree with the second. I feel like it's more about whether the two people are fluent in the same sexual language. Is there some kind of simpatico understanding, synergy or synchronicity going on? I feel like when that happens all parties involved (let's face it, sometimes sex happens between three or more people) drop all their pretensions, and theatricality and lose self consciousness, especially as hormonal rushes and swells begin interfering with complex cognitive processes.

Which is kinda why people are more likely to pull stupid faces than sexy ones at the point of orgasm. Loss of cognitive and motor control is a big part of it, which is why the French call an orgasm la petite mort (the little death).

So I believe that unless the woman you are sexing is not that into it, or a sex-worker who is completely burnt out on sex, then her orgasm is not a presentation but a state of being. A primal and visceral one.

People make stupid faces when they finally release pee theyíve been holding in for a long time, or if they take a bite of a yummy piece of cake. People lose track of their surroundings when they are playing video games or reading a book.

Those ďhormonal rushes and swells interfering with cognitive processesĒ is not really such a big deal when you realize the cognitive processes of your average horny 20 something arenít exactly a strong signal under the best of circumstances. The fact is that your average woman could go through a ďfull body orgasmĒ while she is sitting on the bus next to you and you would never know if she didnít want you to. Similarly, you might think youíve knocked the earth off itís orbit for your lady friend, when in fact she was thinking about the chicken in the oven. These things happen inside her head. The head controls the body. A woman who is old enough and experienced enough to have good sex has been living in her body for long enough to know how to control it.

...who the hell is stopping to analyze an orgasm halfway through? I know I'm not...

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I usually drop my pen and clipboard.

...There are two types of female orgasm: the real and the fake. And I'll tell you right now, as a man, we don't know. We do not know, because to man sex is like a car accident and determining the female orgasm is like being asked 'What did you see after the car went out of control?'. "I heard a lot of screeching sounds. I remember I was facing the wrong way at one point." And in the end my body was thrown clear.

People make stupid faces when they finally release pee theyíve been holding in for a long time, or if they take a bite of a yummy piece of cake. People lose track of their surroundings when they are playing video games or reading a book.

Those ďhormonal rushes and swells interfering with cognitive processesĒ is not really such a big deal when you realize the cognitive processes of your average horny 20 something arenít exactly a strong signal under the best of circumstances. The fact is that your average woman could go through a ďfull body orgasmĒ while she is sitting on the bus next to you and you would never know if she didnít want you to. Similarly, you might think youíve knocked the earth off itís orbit for your lady friend, when in fact she was thinking about the chicken in the oven. These things happen inside her head. The head controls the body. A woman who is old enough and experienced enough to have good sex has been living in her body for long enough to know how to control it.

Dammit I hate when I know there's a can of worms in front of me that is gonna turn into a long post, but I like to be as comprehensive as possible, so here goes...

"The head controls the body" is a very quick and easy thing to say, but actually negates a lot of things that are scientifically believed to be true. In the field of neurosciences and cognitive research it's still unclear whether thoughts create chemicals or chemicals create thoughts. Your brain being along for the ride is something that can and does happen. People can be hypnotized by external means and drugs go into your body before they go about hijacking your brain. Does the head control the body when people are blind drunk and vomiting in the streets, I wonder? That's why I watch out for blanket statements, generalisations and glib assertions.

A woman can have a suppressed orgasm and not let you know about it sure. The same way a guy can cream his pants and control the visual cues if he wants to. Though the orgasm wont be as good as if he loses self consciousness and leans right into it. I've had orgasms I've had to suppress. I've had sneezes I've had to suppress. Letting either of those things rip is far more fun AND physically demonstrative.

Another thing is, I don't know exactly where you're getting your information from, it's easy to say you've slept with a lot of women, just as easy as it is for me to say that not only have I slept with a lot of women, but I've also befriended a lot of women, and spend a lot of time talking to a lot of women and have a lot of women in my life who I do and/or have engaged with sexually, romantically, on a platonic level or a familial level. So without knowing where all your expertise on the female orgasm is coming from, or any of the women you know or have known, it's really hard to justify your opinion to myself. Especially when I have testimony from many women that flies straight in the face of it. I refuse to presuppose that the women in my life are patently dishonest.

In fact, most of the women I enjoy are quite radical and very frank about their feelings (I inhabit a community laced with musicians and artists and writers etc, mostly progressive thinkers - yes there are some shallow vapid hipsters in the mix, but I'm good at filtering them out and those types don't like me much anyway). The idea of pandering to male sexual fantasies is sickening to them and the idea of insincerity in the moment of orgasm is even worse. This is actually a topic of conversation that has come up among many of my friends. It usually starts with one of the guys making a claim like the one you made and is usually followed by most of the women collectively chiming in to say he's talkin' out his neck. So yeah, I've seen and shared demonstrative orgasms, but since I don't treat women like they are a completely different species from men I find that the candid conversations are even more informative. So regarding the female sexual experience, I base what I say more on what I'm told than the results of my own sexual performace (which are so diverse that I'm either a golden god or the worst lay in the history of sex).

And this is where we come down to types of people.

Apparently there are many women who have never even really experienced a "proper" orgasm, and then there are those who orgasm intensely at the drop of a hat (and there's everyone in between). So when you talk to me about "your average woman" I actually have no idea what you're talking about and it also sounds sexist to me, especially when sexuality is one of the most difficult things to generalise. When you talk about sleeping with "your average horny 20 something" I'm thinking 'why are you sleeping with people who are average and apparently also of limited intelligence?' ...I wouldn't answer that question if I was you.

Now, when I said I disagreed, it was intended in the best possible nature. It was also partially just a little disclaimer to myself, since I wanted to say that I agree with part of your sentiment but could not in good conscience agree with all of it. But then I felt condescended to in your reply, so I wanna address your points and assertions. Once again not to antagonize, just clarify my position, with maybe an occasional good-natured jibe if I think I came up with one clever enough.

But I'll wrap up on this note; do I believe that women I've slept with have put on a demonstrative performance for my benefit? Yeah sure, I can think of several off the top of my head. Do I think it is a universal or even general rule? AAAW HELL NO! Simply because most of the women I've slept with aren't super eager to please (maybe it's to do with my generation and my segment of society, but the ones I am close to would rather die than pander to male sexual inadequacy) and they respond so differently each time we do it. There's none of the consistency you would expect from a performance or presentation. They might fall off the bed one night and the other night... not so much, and I'm talking about the same woman here, ya get me? The best orgasm I ever had made me fall over (not a performance on my part, just a complete loss of oxygen to the brain) but it wasn't with any of my best/favourite sex partners. It was just one of those moments. Most of the times I slept with the girl I'm talking about were pretty underwhelming, but that one night it clicked, and I lost control of my body. I guess there's a difference between squirming sexily like a stripper on a pole and totally spazzing out and accidentally breaking a vase left to you by your dead grandma due to muscle spasms caused by nervous overload and the fact you lost all sense of your surroundings.
As you said "People lose track of their surroundings when they are playing video games or reading a book." So why not even more violently so when experiencing an orgasm during sex?

Lastly and very importantly, when I gave my opinion on the matter, I shared my experiences but reminded myself and whoever was reading that it is a question best left for women to respond to. I did not present myself as an authority on women and nor should you. I shared experience while deferring to expertise. From this point on, I think the less said by us and the more said by women on the matter, the better.

My admittedly limited experience was that I only needed to "represent" with one dude, and he was an imbecile who expected sex to follow a script (well, life in general too). I should have kicked his ass to the curb even faster than I did.

Other men had no problem with me just acting naturally. With those other guys, whatever faces, gestures and noises I made were whatever wanted to be made.

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My admittedly limited experience was that I only needed to "represent" with one dude, and he was an imbecile who expected sex to follow a script (well, life in general too). I should have kicked his ass to the curb even faster than I did.

The fact that you did represent to that guy is probably because you are a nice person and didnít want to mess with some poor schmuckís ego at a sensitive moment. He was probably too dumb to realize what a gift that is.

Youíve brought up some good points. I feel bad about smashing them to bits, but here goes

You say that we men should not opine about the female orgasm, but rather should leave it to the women. This assumes the notion that women have any idea about what they are doing or why they are doing it. My experience would suggest that it is fallacy to suggest that anyone, male or female actually has a clue about their motivations and actions.

There is a reason though why men might have a better insight into this than a woman.

Consider the dog. Millennia ago the surrendered its self-determination as a species and became dependent upon mankind for its wellbeing and survival. Dogs canít talk, or communicate with humans the way humans communicate with other humans. Because they were dependent upon us, they became extremely good students of human behavior. If youíve been around dogs it should be clear to you that they know a lot more about you than you know about you. This expertise is of course limited to areas that concern dogs. They donít care about what you think of the latest episode of Vikings, but they can tell if you are hungry before youíve decided your hungry. They can tell that you are going to get up and pee before you notice you need to to pee. They can tell if you are feeling angry, sleepy, if you are sick, or about to have an epileptic fit before you are aware of any of these things. Dogs are devoted students of human nature, and within their rubric they know us better than we know ourselves.

I will submit that there is something similar between men and women. My wife certainly knows me in some ways better than I know myself, and vice versa. This is because we are sensitive to each other, have imaginations and empathy. My wife has an advantage in knowing me, because I see myself through the filter of my own ego which gives me a distorted picture. I have the same advantage regarding her.

So therefore, as men, we are more qualified to talk about the female orgasm than women.

(Are you buying this bullshit so far? Ok. Letís proceed)

My point in all this is that people are really terrible witnesses about their own experience and motivations.

I assert that given two exactly equal orgasms, one in private and one with a partner, an outside observer would notice very different behaviors. Why?

Sex with another person is communication. When she acts out in passion she is communicating with you. That communication may be truthful or pretense, but you canít separate the artifice from communication. Thatís why I mean when I say that the orgasm she represents is for you.

"The head controls the body" is a very quick and easy thing to say, but actually negates a lot of things that are scientifically believed to be true. In the field of neurosciences and cognitive research it's still unclear whether thoughts create chemicals or chemicals create thoughts. Your brain being along for the ride is something that can and does happen. People can be hypnotized by external means and drugs go into your body before they go about hijacking your brain. Does the head control the body when people are blind drunk and vomiting in the streets, I wonder? That's why I watch out for blanket statements, generalisations and glib assertions.

...

Is any of what I'm saying making sense or have I just wasted my time?

That was an excellent point with an excellent analogy. Why some find it helpful to point things out like "[fill in the blank] happens in the brain" in threads like this baffles me. It seems dismissive as if the various stimuli and areas that stimuli takes place is irrelevant to types and intensities of orgasms. When we talk about alcohol leading to drunkedness, people don't usually exclaim "inebriation happens in the brain." Should we dismiss how to stimulate a woman in a similar fashion? "Because everyone is different." People respond differently to alcohol too, but we can start with some generalizations and then narrow down how different people react. It's a better way to find out best how to stimulate a particular woman as it is a better way to find how to enjoy alcohol. Starting from scratch is unnecessary and she may not give you that many opportunities.

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