Alex Collier's testimony is that we possess the dna of 22 races of extra terrestrial peoples. The greys and reptilians would only be a few out of
the many other groups, including nordics, and andromedans.

if the humanoid shape is the standard apex of the "vehicle" for intelligence..

then who's to say that one specific genotype (the Grays) ..
are the ones that lended their genes to apes??

why not something that looks more like us?

these short Grays look more like what someone would "build" to perform remedial tasks.

"Tall Whites" (ie: the cover of the book "Communion").. or (the tall one in the end of Close Encounters).. look more like what an intelligence
would genetically modify themselves into becoming ... a more perfected thinking/interactive biological machine to inhabit and use as a vehicle for
"experiencing" through.

I don't think it's the grays that mixed with the chimps.

I'd think it wold be something more akin to us..
like that represented in the images of the Anunnaki on Sumerian Tablets.

what I DO think.. is that you'll be seeing more and more reports of these "hybrids"... of the tall whites attempting to breed a mixture of their
genes and humans... now... not in our past.

About ten years ago I think I was abducted (have not had hypnosis, so I don't know what really happened) all I know is I awoke thinking and feeling
differently. My mind was OPENED! I felt like I was told by someone, or some being, that we were never alone, and that we were "helped" from the very
beginning, including all the major advancements throughout our recorded history, and of course, most of the history, or the parts that did not
"fit", were destoyed. Some of this lost history has been rediscovered, and although the "ancient" advanced technology remains a mystery, for the
most part, the rest remains hiddened, or suppressed. I found out there were many different races of beings who are "in" our planet, "on" our
planet, and visiting our planet. Correction, this is not "our" planet, as we are lead to believe. I was told this planet is kind of like an
experiment. Some animals were already here, others were brought here for the land and sea (this includes all types of insects and other small
creatures). Some of animals that were not needed, were destroyed, while others were used for hybrid experiments. Now this is the weird part (as if its
not all weird), I was told that there was no evolution, at least, not in the sense that we know it. The ape, monkey, chimpanzee, and orangatang were
already here. And these, along with other animal species, were bred with the DNA of different beings. Not only does this explain the separation of
human and animal, but this is explains the different races. The three main races were Black, White and Asian, and these three races were bred with
each other to create some of the other races, but not all. All along the way, the beings were not only inputing more DNA into the caveman type
humanoid, but some of them had actually started breeding with them (sexual intercourse). This made the human more and more intelligent. Some of the
beings helped their favorite races with advanced technologies. And all along the way, the humans fought, with war, to gain the technology from the
other humans, or because they thought the technology was a threat, literally wipe to it off the face of the earth, and then enslave the banquished,
stealing any or all of their technology, and in turn, erasing their culture, and their history. They are still here, among us, in human form of
course. Proding and pushing us along the way.

I've got news for you - you ARE an ape. All humans are apes. Your DNA is almost identical to other apes, chimpanzees especially, because we share a
close ancestor. That is not up for debate - the evidence is there. Evolution is called a theory, as the word 'theory' has a different meaning in
science. It doesn't mean 'guess', as it does in normal casual usage, but 'demonstrated and not contradicted by every observation ever made'. To
equate it to a common theory is ridiculous. What we call theories in casual language are called 'hypotheses' in scientific terms. The theory of
evolution stopped being a hypotheses hundreds of years ago.

If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that's not the case, then please go ahead. The only person you'll be hurting is
yourself. You really make yourself look a bit foolish when you say things like that, as evolution isn't a controversial aspect of science - it's
well documented, well understood, very simple, and extremely elegant. It's oh so easy to understand, should you not have any barriers *cough*
religion *cough* poor education *cough* to not do so. I'm not attacking you - I only wish to help.

Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in gravity or electricity. You can say that if you want, but don't be
surprised when people laugh.

Originally posted by breano
This is something which has niggled at my mind for some time now.
I often wonder if modern day man may in fact be a hybrid species of Grey Aliens and ancient ape men.

Its just that I think if you took half the DNA of a Grey and half the DNA of a great ape and created a being you would more than likely end up with
something very much like a modern human.

In general terms we probably half way between the two in terms of strengh, intelligence and looks !

Just a wee theory thats been spinning around in my head for a while - whats others thoughts on the possibility ?

Humans are not crosses of cyclotronic life - your definition of greys - base four modifiers - complete initial comprehension of all octovaric
principles - initial perceptions would be dictated in a quantifiable manner - a complete logic reversal compared to how humans view their environment
simply because cyclotronic life 'your greys' would be about 4 comprehension ranges out side of humans. If you could measure a Grey's potential
thought/idea range would be equivalent to about a 711 intelligence quotients - trust me very very far out of human comprehension. Over 7 times the
computing power of human brains - their brain density and mass index compared to body mass would be significantly greater. IQ is almost meaningless
on a theoretical scale as certain thought process are always limited to total refractionaries IE brain cells - the more brain cells you have the
further you can conceptualise ideas/thoughts. As scentiods go humans are still in their infancy in terms of their scientological development -
ingrained instincts will be the lock that controls humanities evolutionary cycle - about 750,000 years. RNA that does not cause mutation will cause
stagnation eventually in humanity basically ending their biological development in terms of concurrent recurrences(reproduction of a species).
Evolutionary stimuluses dictate evolutionary cycles - bipedals evolve much quicker than non bipedals. That is because bipedalism promotes increasing
brain growth - the initial reason for increased brain size quickly in early hominids was because once reaching a bipedal state would the physical body
begin to degrees - smaller muscles throughout the body. Physical degradation in terms of body stress level would demote survival in the current
environment. Eventually the urge to replicate would over ride all other survival instincts in the brain. The mind becomes stronger in order to
compensate for the weakness of the body.

Trust me greys would not want to cross breed with an organism with only one seventh their intellect IE human. They would see humans as cattle. I
honestly dont know what humans could offer the greys the planet is still currently more valuable to them. Greys probably would just see humans the
current carbonate inhabitants on the planet. Greys would always hold one thing against you - your current technological level. Greys technology is
pure thereticals through manipulation of particulate wavelengths. Nonessential but non important to them ultimately. Greys could give a rats behind
about the average human. Its the current physiological mutations that exist amongst humans that they are interested in. There are people that walk
amongst the current human population that operate in another conception range as humans. Their physical appearance would be slightly different but
their brains might as well be 10 times the active tissue density of the human brain. They wouldnt become isolationists but they would be completely
isolated by others. Even at a potential iq of over 15 times that of a human would never be able to duplicate the human syntax correctly to ever
become identifiable to one. Would not have the physiological ability to court and mate with a human or vise versa as well a human would not
physiologically be compatible with one of these people even if they had initial attraction to each other - ultimately a form of mistaken identity from
the way a human identifies someone else. The sad thing is ultimately as the mutations reproduce amongst themselves and became a new self sustaining
species based on pure speculative reason would humanity declare genocide on them. Would ultimately have to exist in secrecy ie a SECRET SOCIETY =
secret organisations of non humans hiding from human prosecutions. Once the human species dies out would take foothold.

In terms of all theoretical principles that humans currently observe they forget one thing. That all theoretical principles are like a the roots of a
tree. They are all multi dynamic they are constantly changing. Humans think in the forms of absolute principles only but in concurrent repetition.
You could tell someone your 'thoughts of dynamic theoretical principals in the current environment' would still take them a base intelligence level
currently just not in their range. Intellect range how it is currently confined in the human brain will never exceed the conceptual range of
somewhere in the mid 100s in terms of their iq points.

The current stresser on humanity? One word overpopulation but with no way to stop it. Humanity reproduces at the most consistent rate of any animal
on the planet. Not large quantities during births but much more likely per offspring produced per person would be much greater than offspring in
anything else. The drive and the will of the way reproduction drives the lives of all humans is what will ultimately be their downfall. Take for
example the aids epidemic in Africa - Africans know probably in certain areas could be as good as 1 in 2 chance of getting regardless of who their
with. But aids takes decades to kill even with out medication if your lucky. If humanity ever faced a world wide deadly disease that was transmitted
during all acts body fluid transfer IE all forms of reproductive acts they would live as long as the viruses gestation period allowed before it killed
them. The black plague of the of the dark ages was mainly transferred by human to human fluidic transfer it wasnt airbone. Only way to transfer in
air would be in aerosol form which would basicly have to be the inhalation of someone else's cough. Symptoms from exposure to almost all viral
agents even hostile still take hours to gestate. One virus in your body is harmless of any kind but then becomes troublesome.

the children of the heavens, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another:
“Come, let us chose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.”

03.
And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them:

“I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed,
and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.”

04.
And they all answered him and said:

“Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.”

05.
Then sware they all together and bound themselves together by mutual imprecations upon it.

06.
And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon,
because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

Chapter 7.01.
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives,
and each chose for himself one,
and they began to go in unto them and defile themselves with them,
and they taught them charms and enchantment’s,
and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants.

02.
And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants,
whose height was Three Thousand Ells:

03.
Who consumed all the acquisitions of men.
And when men could no longer sustain them,

04.
The giants turned against them and devoured mankind.

05.
And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish,
and to devour one an others flesh, and drink the blood.

I've got news for you - you ARE an ape. All humans are apes. Your DNA is almost identical to other apes, chimpanzees especially, because we share a
close ancestor. That is not up for debate - the evidence is there. Evolution is called a theory, as the word 'theory' has a different meaning in
science. It doesn't mean 'guess', as it does in normal casual usage, but 'demonstrated and not contradicted by every observation ever made'. To
equate it to a common theory is ridiculous. What we call theories in casual language are called 'hypotheses' in scientific terms. The theory of
evolution stopped being a hypotheses hundreds of years ago.

If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that's not the case, then please go ahead. The only person you'll be hurting is
yourself. You really make yourself look a bit foolish when you say things like that, as evolution isn't a controversial aspect of science - it's
well documented, well understood, very simple, and extremely elegant. It's oh so easy to understand, should you not have any barriers *cough*
religion *cough* poor education *cough* to not do so. I'm not attacking you - I only wish to help.

Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in gravity or electricity. You can say that if you want, but don't be
surprised when people laugh.

Your argument is 100% Bunk. There is no 100% proof we came from Apes no matter how much DNA we share. All your argument is only what you choose to
believe.

Science has never demonstrated 100% Proof that man came from Apes. It's a popular belief, but the hard core science for Proof is not there.

You wanna stick your fingers in your ears and not listen to the scientist? Even the scientist who study all the data and give us this theory will not
claim it is 100% conclusive proof.

You're the one who's not even listening. We are apes. The evidence is there. We know about genetic heredity. We know about DNA. We have
the fossil record. We've observed speciation in the laboratory, and even in nature.

We, and other apes, have a common ancestor. Hundreds of years of accurate scientific research, by people whose only agenda is learning, have
established that. The same method that allowed man kind to develop the very computer you're looking at now has explained evolution.

I've got news for you - you ARE an ape. All humans are apes. Your DNA is almost identical to other apes, chimpanzees especially, because we share a
close ancestor. That is not up for debate - the evidence is there. Evolution is called a theory, as the word 'theory' has a different meaning in
science. It doesn't mean 'guess', as it does in normal casual usage, but 'demonstrated and not contradicted by every observation ever made'. To
equate it to a common theory is ridiculous. What we call theories in casual language are called 'hypotheses' in scientific terms. The theory of
evolution stopped being a hypotheses hundreds of years ago.

If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that's not the case, then please go ahead. The only person you'll be hurting is
yourself. You really make yourself look a bit foolish when you say things like that, as evolution isn't a controversial aspect of science - it's
well documented, well understood, very simple, and extremely elegant. It's oh so easy to understand, should you not have any barriers *cough*
religion *cough* poor education *cough* to not do so. I'm not attacking you - I only wish to help.

Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in gravity or electricity. You can say that if you want, but don't be
surprised when people laugh.

Your argument is 100% Bunk. There is no 100% proof we came from Apes no matter how much DNA we share. All your argument is only what you choose to
believe.

Science has never demonstrated 100% Proof that man came from Apes. It's a popular belief, but the hard core science for Proof is not there.

You wanna stick your fingers in your ears and not listen to the scientist? Even the scientist who study all the data and give us this theory will not
claim it is 100% conclusive proof.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]

What would you consider 100% proof? Time-travel?

Of course thats insane. But we have mountains of evidence from different science fields all saying that life on Earth (including us!) evolved from a
common ancestor, and not a single one against it. So, if you put your ignorance and (..religious?) indoctrination aside and approach the problem with
an open mind, what is the most probable answer? Come on...

Show me these biologists who don't believe in evolution. Show me their research that shows that all the other research that demonstrates, beyond a
doubt, that evolution is true, is actually false.

Oh, you can't, because they don't exist.

It's not a belief system any more than gravity is one. It's the result of painstaking research conducted by centuries, by people far more
intelligent than you and I combined.

My fingers are not in my ears - I've had a decent education, I studied biology, I've read a lot about it. That's all anyone has to have to realise
it's true - the evidence is out there, and it's incontrovertible.

So, please show me these biologists (as what a geologist has to think about biology matters naught) who think Evolution is bunk, and we'll
start to talk. Until you can do that, you've got nothing.

however i doubt that it was the greys....the annunaki is more logical because their image is that of humans...they were the alien races that on a
mission for gold and the ones the ancient sumerian spoke of as 'the gods'.

But the scientist who have studied this and come up with these theories have said that this is not 100% conclusive proof to them.

You ask me what would it take to get me to believe?

I will tell you.

* Get these same scientists to recant their earlier statements and have them tell me they changed their mind and now they believe that they do have
100% conclusive proof that Man evolved from Ape and I will believe.

It is that simple. That is what I want - Exactly that.. no substitutes.

Do not show me all the tons of other animals that have evolved from other creatures just to demonstrate the theory of evolution. I have seen it and I
do already believe that Yes, God used evolution as a tool for animals to grow into other species. But I do Not believe this is the case with Man.

You will ask me, What scientist are these you speak of? I found these answers searching the web. I know the name of the ones who pioneered this
research and who in recent years contributed to it - and they are the same ones who said they do not believe this is 100% conclusive proof.

It was very EASY to find. I will not do your research for you. If you want to convince me, Find me That.

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