Just In: Obama Accused By Congressman Of Illegal Action At Bundy Ranch

“Because of this standoff,” he wrote, “I have looked into BLM’s authority to conduct such paramilitary raids against American citizens,
and it appears that BLM is acting in a lawless manner in Nevada.”

He cited the limited powers granted to the federal government, noting the bureau has no “right to assume preemptory police powers, that role being
reserved to the States,” and explained “many federal laws require the federal government to seek assistance from local law enforcement whenever
the use of force may become necessary.”

The letter included a section of the U.S. Code — 43 U.S.C. Section 1733, Subsection C — stating exactly that point. [Emphasis Stockman's]

“When the Secretary determines that assistance is necessary in enforcing Federal laws and regulations relating to the public lands or their
resources he shall offer a contract to appropriate local officials having law enforcement authority within their respective jurisdictions with the
view of achieving maximum feasible reliance upon local law enforcement officials in enforcing such laws and regulations.”

If the BLM were to have gone with local law enforcement to enforce a properly filed lien, then this situation would never have come to pass but the
BLM did not even think to file a lien (see post Here) but chose instead
to perform a military type action.

Too many non-law enforcement agencies have taken policing authority upon themselves which they were never intended to posses.

For starters, Steve Stockman is a nut-job of the highest order. Similar in many ways to the vast majority of other Republican legislators sent to
Washington from the great state of Texas.

As a matter of fact, I can't think of another state that has donated more generously to the pool of right-wing idiots currently occupying the U.S.
House of Representatives.

Let's just take a look at this quote, paying special attention to the words I put in bold print;

“When the Secretary determines that assistance is necessary in enforcing Federal laws and regulations relating to the public lands or their
resources he shall offer a contract to appropriate local officials having law enforcement authority within their respective jurisdictions with the
view of achieving maximum feasible reliance upon local law enforcement officials in enforcing such laws and regulations.”

Maximum, feasible reliance upon local law enforcement.

Now, let's take a look at this quote from the source article;

Legislators and law enforcement personnel have stood alongside state militia members and the Bundy family in opposing the excessive force employed
by the BLM. Stockman’s letter adds even more weight to the growing sentiment against the federal overreach.

Now I have to ask; Considering the fact that state legislators and law enforcement personnel have chosen to stand with the militia members and the
Bundy family, at what point has "maximum feasible reliance upon local law enforcement" been accomplished?

Does the statute say anywhere in it that the federal government must rely "solely" on local law enforcement? I think not.

IMO, the Bundy family should just pay their grazing fees or get the hell off federal land. As far as the right-wing militia groups go, well I don't
know what to tell them other than the fact that hiding behind women is hardly a sign of bravery or patriotism.

In response to Bundy’s argument, officials from the National Park Service and BLM have pointed out that the removal of the cattle is based
on two U.S. District Court orders from two different judges, the first of which was issued in 1998, yet Bundy has thus far failed to comply with the
order. But the federal officials’ message has been lost amongst the claims of a police state and an overreaching federal government from Bundy’s
supporters, which has included conservative media outlets.

So it takes 200+ armed men and snipers, against one man and a few hundred cows with babies?

B.S.

This was an assault on him, his family, and they did damage to property that he constructed with his own money, for no reason but to damage it. They
tore down fencing, damaged water storage containers, and shot two of his bulls because they were a "threat". These were allegedly cowboys paid almost
1 million dollars to go and rustle some cattle, and they were scared of a couple of bulls? Bullspit! They did the damage intentionally, and can now be
held liable. Nothing in the court order said anything about removing, or damaging his property, nor, about killing animals.

In fact, backhoes were there, about to dig mass graves for the unmitigated slaughter of his cattle, and the only reason it stopped was the direct
objection of the people and the PUBLICITY.

You shine light on things, it has a funny way of changing them, right before your eyes. Sunlight is both cleansing, and revealing, because it showed
us the involvement of Reid, among many others. This story is just beginning, I promise you that.

Yes let's attack the messenger. It's apparent that those who side with the BLM also feel they're not required to follow the rules as they expect
Mr. Bundy to do. It's clear the BLM did not follow the rules. What is also clear is Dirty Harry didn't say "hey those are residents and
constituents in my state. They're being treated like terrorist and not citizens of the US.: Oh wait he does believe they're terrorists. My bad.
Guess anyone getting in the way of him fleecing America are terrorists in his eyes.

Harry wants to spread the wealth with Obama so badly, along with everyone elses, so let's start with his. Oh wait, he's "excluded", right?

No, it's okay, because now, people are looking, digging, into what is really going on. The documents, the companies, the stealth corporations hiding
out there that have other intent, and more sunlight will reach into the darkness.

That's the one thing they can't stop, and can no longer hide, now that connections have been discovered. Even the BLM whistleblower video has some
great information, and guess who it all leads back to?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what they did, how they handled it, was illegal and highly immoral, but to most Dems, that's a plus for
your resume'. For a Republican, it's grounds for removal from office, right?

Harry wants to spread the wealth with Obama so badly, along with everyone elses, so let's start with his. Oh wait, he's "excluded", right?

No, it's okay, because now, people are looking, digging, into whatcis really going on. The documents, the companies, the stealth corporations hiding
out there that have other intent, and morw aunlight will reach into the darkness.

That's the one thing they can't stop, and can no longer hide, now that connections have been discovered. Even the BLM whistkeblower video has some
great information, and guess who it all leads back to?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what they did, how they handled it, was illegal and highly immoral, but to most Dems, that's a plus for
your resume'. For a Republican, it's grounds for removal from office, right?

Reid used the BLM like his own personal mercs. That was clear as day. However, I fear nothing will come of any of this. They're too
entrenched with too much influence, both financial and politically. They're all dirty and getting rich off the backs of the American public. It's
systemic and it's ugly.

a reply to: Bilk22
I agree, and have the same fears, but, I am comforted by the fact that this got a LOT of attention, from Representatives and Congress, right before an
election season.

Trust me, this will stay in the headlines a while, right where Reid doesn't want it. However, that is also why he is now calling people "domestic
terrorists", because he is trying to control the direction this takes. Thing is, his batty words are more transparent to see than ever before. He
opened his mouth, and a veritable crapstorm is happening because of what he said. Obama is far too enmired in his own public defense, I don't think he
will have the time, nor inclination, to come to Harry's rescue.

On the other hand, the sinking Dem ship is about to tip some more, and take on more water. The Relublicans now have an in for the elections, thanks to
the Dems. If played properly, this could be a good situation for Republicans as more and more people distance themselves from Reid, Obama, and the Dem
party.

Remember, from Dirty Harry's own mouth, "This is not over."

No, not by a long shot. Probably the only truth he has spoken in a LONG time.

Legislators and law enforcement personnel have stood alongside state militia members and the Bundy family in opposing the excessive force
employed by the BLM.

It seems to me that if the enforcers of law stand against the BLM, then who do you think they think is wrong?

I saw a video where BLM employees were refusing to aim their guns, and many were apologetic for even having to be there. Some are likely to lose their
jobs over their refusals and opinions, but most people would rather stand with who is right, even BLM employees themselves. That video spoke volumes
to me.

Legislators and law enforcement personnel have stood alongside state militia members and the Bundy family in opposing the excessive force
employed by the BLM.

It seems to me that if the enforcers of law stand against the BLM, then who do you think they think is wrong?

It doesn't matter who "they" think is wrong! It's not up to local law enforcement to determine who is at fault, that is for the courts to decide
and regardless of their stance, it's law enforcement's job to enforce the court's ruling.

Or maybe you could be so kind as to show me where in the statute it states that it's up to local law enforcement to determine who is right and who is
wrong.

Well I hope you're right, but even being a life long Republican, I hold no hope with them either. The leadership at the top of both parties are
equally corrupt, equally hold the American people in contempt and are only in Washington to serve their personal interests. These life long stints in
Congress need to go and term limits need to be instituted. It's the only way the people will get their government and governance back. No one is
watching the store and these people who are supposed to represent us, use their position to enrich themselves under the guise they're doing things
for us.

(2) The Secretary may authorize Federal personnel or appropriate local officials to carry out his law enforcement responsibilities with respect to
the public lands and their resources. Such designated personnel shall receive the training and have the responsibilities and authority provided for in
paragraph (1) of this subsection.

Also:

e) Uniformed desert ranger force in California Desert Conservation Area; establishment; enforcement of Federal laws and regulations
Nothing in this section shall prevent the Secretary from promptly establishing a uniformed desert ranger force in the California Desert Conservation
Area established pursuant to section 1781 of this title for the purpose of enforcing Federal laws and regulations relating to the public lands and
resources managed by him in such area. The officers and members of such ranger force shall have the same responsibilities and authority as provided
for in paragraph (1) of subsection (c) of this section.

I'm not saying the BLM was not ham-fisted in their attempt to remove the Bundy cattle--they were. But the legal authority of BLM rangers is there in
black and white.

Legislators and law enforcement personnel have stood alongside state militia members and the Bundy family in opposing the excessive force
employed by the BLM.

It seems to me that if the enforcers of law stand against the BLM, then who do you think they think is wrong?

It doesn't matter who "they" think is wrong! It's not up to local law enforcement to determine who is at fault, that is for the courts to decide and
regardless of their stance, it's law enforcement's job to enforce the court's ruling.

Or maybe you could be so kind as to show me where in the statute it states that it's up to local law enforcement to determine who is right and who is
wrong.

It's up to the states to determine if the federal government has overstepped it's bounds. Hopefully, one day soon, the states will decide
enough is enough.

originally posted by: Bilk22
Yes let's attack the messenger. It's apparent that those who side with the BLM also feel they're not required to follow the rules as they expect
Mr. Bundy to do. It's clear the BLM did not follow the rules. What is also clear is Dirty Harry didn't say "hey those are residents and
constituents in my state. They're being treated like terrorist and not citizens of the US.: Oh wait he does believe they're terrorists. My bad.
Guess anyone getting in the way of him fleecing America are terrorists in his eyes.

If you threaten force to achieve a political objective you are a terrorist by definition.

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