Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

Rather ODD, how you'll start your post with a 'not sure', but then you quickly followed that up with a "but there were definitely no Muslims back then!" statement ...Sweet Jesus Tommykins, still proving that lack of reading and just sticking your neck out to get it chopped off!

If you don't like this thread about 'Thumping-Chump' then ignore all of the sarcastic banter and continued pungent jabs that the rest of us do ...

IT'S RATHER OBVIOUS WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT ...DUHHHH

10. Islam: Islam is the one of the oldest religion of the world that was brought by the Holy Prophet PBUH. It is the monotheistic religion in which the Muslims believe of the oneness of Allah Almighty and the Prophet Hood. Islam is the second major religion of the world with almost 1.5 billion followers called Muslims. The origin of the Islam was started in the 622 AD and it was spread to the whole world within a short period of time.9. Christianity: standing next on our list is the religion called Christianity that was started in the 300 AD before the advent of Islam. It is also a monotheistic religion that was based on the teaching of the Jesus Christ. Christianity is world’s major religion with around 2.1 billion followers. The Christians believe the Jesus Christ to be the son of Allah Almighty and reserves the Holy book called Bible or New Testament.8. Taoism: Taoism is the one of the oldest religion that arrives before the arrival of Christianity. It was actually a tradition of Chinese origin that gives the lesson of living in peace and harmony. However Taoism can also be found in the other religions and was started in the 4 to 3rd century BC.7. Jainism: the other oldest religion of the world is the Jainism or usually called Jain Dharma and it belongs to the Indian religions. The religion teaches to be the non-violent, non- stealing, non- absolute and non- possessive. It is a philosophy of eternity that spread all across the India from the very first day of its origin, 450 BC.6. Confucianism: it is next on our list because it is the one of the oldest religion that describes the ethical and sociopolitical teachings and is spread in the countries like China, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, Vietnam and Singapore. The advent of this religion started in the 500 BC.5. Shinto: it is the ethical religion that is followed in the Japan. The religion focus on the ethical values of the people of the Japan there are several types of Shinto that is practiced all over the Japan and it is the largest religion of Japan. The origin of this religion was recorded in the 8th century and is till famous.4. Buddhism: it is another oldest and the famous religion of the world that consist of the various traditions and practices that are based on the teachings of the Gautama Buddha. The religion was started in the 6th and 4th BC that awakened the regions of China, Thailand, Japan, Korea and India with the estimated followers of 488 million throughout the world.3. Zoroastrianism: next on our list is the religion that is among the oldest religions of the world. The religion offers the cosmogonic dualism and monotheism in the regions like Iran and India with the 2.6 million followers. The religion started in the 1000 BCE and the basic beliefs of this religion are the Good thoughts, good words and the good deeds.2. Judaism: the Judaism is the one of the oldest religion that teaches way of life. The Jewish people follow the religion of Judaism that contains the philosophy of culture and the philosophy of monotheism. Torah is the evidence and the foundational text of the Judaism. The origin of this religion was 2000 BCE.1. Hinduism: this religion is the oldest religion of since the evolution of human beings on Earth that was originate in 4000 to 2500 BCE. It is the dominant religion that is followed mostly in the regions of South Asia like India and Nepal. The Hinduism revolves around the family of the Gods who gave the teachings of cosmology, pilgrimage of the sacred sites and shared textual resources.http://www.listawake.com/top-10-oldest-religions-of-the-world/

This statement is just insanity, lamely disguised as a possible attempt at humor; but sorrowfully wrong in all aspects just the same!

Saddam hussein and his baath party were leftie socialists!And under his rule Iraq was relatively stable, secular and peaceful.

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

4EVER2 wrote: It's your bubble world, it's not for me to judge how you dwell in it! Enjoy!

Can you tell me, what exactly did I say that you think isn't true...?

As this isn't the topic nor the proper genre for that continued derailment;A.) start a topic about either or bothB.) go do some reading before you get yet again due to your starting point being so far from factual data as too be laughable and no where near close to TRUTHC.) I even gave you a starter point for your illusion about the error in your Muslim mistake and you still couldn't read the post!

But I won't be derailing this thread of Lurkers just because you can't manage to enjoy the TOPIC/Genre and stay on POINT!

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

"The origin of the Islam was started in the 622 AD and it was spread to the whole world within a short period of time.9. Christianity: standing next on our list is the religion called Christianity that was started in the 300 AD before the advent of Islam."

so CLEARLY your first premise is correct, whatever other meaning she intends to implicate to your post

As to the second i'd have to research old sadams politics per se, given that whatever they were he was also a bit of a nasty dictator too.....as for iraq itself under his rule what you say is in most aspects true

FOR THE AREA it WAS "relatively peaceful" certainly fairly secular in as much as he kept most of the religious nonsense out of state affairs, and apart from giving iran a good kicking relatively (again...for the area) stable.....though given subsequent events he himself was non too stable.though lets be honset Tommy...using nerve agents on a few troublesome tribes men was hardly stable/fair or reasonable .....there are better ways of dealing with fractious neighbours.

but what cannot be denied is that both iraq AND the west would have been far better to have contented itself with busting his nose in Gulf war one and NOT gone back to "finish the job" simply becasue "god" told the nutter bush to do so.

_________________If at any time in 2017 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2018 AINT gonna be any different

There are those who's opinion I value, there are those who's opinion I neither value or scorn, and then there are those who's opinion I just ignore as insignificant...I can assure you the latter outnumber the first two combined by a whole order of magnitude

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

There is no evidence that hussein ordered the gas attack you mention...

And...

"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2886733.stm

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

There is no evidence that hussein ordered the gas attack you mention...

And...

"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2886733.stm

well...SOMEONE did....it didnt launch itself......and given he was an absolute dictator he's the boss...so like it of not...he's responsible, either directly or by default due to incompetance.......

_________________If at any time in 2017 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2018 AINT gonna be any different

There are those who's opinion I value, there are those who's opinion I neither value or scorn, and then there are those who's opinion I just ignore as insignificant...I can assure you the latter outnumber the first two combined by a whole order of magnitude

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

Since it was late in the day over here and I don't get OCD as you do dear Tommykins about much of anything, I went to bed. Now that I'm up {albeit before the butt crack of dawn 5 am I'll work on your convoluted topic};

You stated "that there wasn't any Muslims when Jesus was born" ...and I gave your the proof for which you both couldn't read and really couldn't grasp and now your side-kick has joined your continued ignorance and is pushing it further afield. LMAO

You two are like a comedy team 'Laurel & Hardy'; but I digress!a.) the naivety scene = the birth of Jesus: doesn't mean that Christianity had been formed - that the baby was even becoming the future son of GOD. Heaven forbid that the poor kid decided to do something else ...like follow his step brothers and work instead of preach - be ridiculed - die such a heinous death.b.) so your statement had 2 false thoughts: that there were no Muslims and that there were Christians! When both Faiths started in the same region at the same time frame. And neither took hold until AFTER DEATH {AD} not BC = before Christ.

10. Islam: Islam is the one of the oldest religion of the world that was brought by the Holy Prophet PBUH. It is the monotheistic religion in which the Muslims believe of the oneness of Allah Almighty and the Prophet Hood. Islam is the second major religion of the world with almost 1.5 billion followers called Muslims. The origin of the Islam was started in the 622 AD and it was spread to the whole world within a short period of time.9. Christianity: standing next on our list is the religion called Christianity that was started in the300 AD before the advent of Islam. It is also a monotheistic religion that was based on the teaching of the Jesus Christ. Christianity is world’s major religion with around 2.1 billion followers. The Christians believe the Jesus Christ to be the son of Allah Almighty and reserves the Holy book called Bible or New Testament.

But you and your side kick just continue to FLOP around, it's very entertaining; especially since the crèche and why it was placed onto the Thump-Trump thread was all for VENTING and yet you had to follow the #1 religious bashing member right into a kerfuffle that you are so ill prepared to understand!

And for your 2nd OFF TOPIC issue regarding Saddam Hussein: all you had to do was some simple reading about the man - his son's - his history - how he'd treated his people!

But noooooo, you allow Lord Lock Tight to do your thinking/reading/posting for you and that leaves you all of the latitude to just continue on as you do! Skating by - posting erroneous filled opinions that you ASSume are facts; and they are not.

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1) islam started 300 odd years after christianity2) christianity started 300 years after the birth of jesus (who was in fact a jew)

how can there be any error in tommy's plain statement that there were no Muslims around at that time be wrong in the light of the above??

_________________If at any time in 2017 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2018 AINT gonna be any different

There are those who's opinion I value, there are those who's opinion I neither value or scorn, and then there are those who's opinion I just ignore as insignificant...I can assure you the latter outnumber the first two combined by a whole order of magnitude

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

"It's like shooting fish in a barrel!"

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

Tommy Monk wrote:How can there be any Muslims around when Jesus was born?

Islam didn't start until over 600 years AFTER Jesus was born!!!

And I never said there were Christians there...

And...."...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

"It's like shooting fish in a barrel!"

Rather like the trouble you had with the ZIKA thread {2 types of mosquitos VS an entire 1000 type} all in the ability to read what you keep typing!

There have been Muslim's since the earliest writings and non-written text ...ISLAMis their faith NOT Muslim! AD = after death BC = before Christ But just keep typing the same mistake and it's just grows in volumes ...especially when LF jumps on board in an attempt to take your side! Always amusing!

Stay on topic please... Odd, how you'll try to sound so polite when it suits you; yet you've been one of the worst for derailing numerous topics since my arrival upon this community!

How can there have been Muslims around over 600 years before the invention of the Islamic faith?

So where do those 'HUMANS' appear in our history books, Tommykins? Do they just suddenly drop into the specific chapters of the BIBLE and until that point in time never exist ??? just float around the world as dust to the wind and when the prophet's decided to put quill to ink then they suddenly became a LIFE FORM?

Gobekli Tepe: The World’s First Temple?

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I keep poking you to READ more, to stop riding the backs of people that you want to hitch your opinions to and find out information on your own! Good Grief, Tommykins ...there's a wide world of interesting STUFF you could be finding out about and yet you just can't be 'Free Willed' into doing any reading on your own! So many adult topics and ideas that we could discuss ...but you sadly have such a locked mind.

Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

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A.) you seem to not comprehend the difference between a human and a tribal name - their demographical region that they lived - and when they became known as that written worded NAME = MuslimB.) you seem unable to separate the faith from when the HUMAN LIFE FORM existed and therein lies the crux of your deeply seated problem

Muslims existed long - LONG before there were even attributed with the written word Muslim ...they existed long - long before the thought of baby Jesus and the onset of early Christianity.

You took a sarcastic jab at 'Cheeto-Jesus' and his anti-every human being that isn't WHITE LIKE HIM and tried to make a asinine remark that just wasn't TRUE. Now you either understand the huge error in your post or YOU NEVER WILL. But I am done trying to aide you with your confusion!

Handy Andy wrote:Guys. People forget Tom is a genius.Think Einstein. Hawking. Galileo. Newton.Prof. Brian Cox..Arthur C ClarkeIn his own mind he is right up with them.It must be true as he keeps telling us.

He has to keep repeating himself though because his words often get twisted....this thread alone is one example of that.

If Jesus was born around 2000 years ago... and islam only started to exist during and after the life of mohammed which was 600 years later... then there would definitely not have been any Muslims around at the time of the birth of Jesus.

It's pretty straight forward...

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

It has often been suggested that the Xiongnu, mentioned in Han Dynasty records, were Proto-Turkic speakers.Although little is known for certain about the Xiongnu language(s), it seems likely that at least a considerable part of Xiongnu tribes spoke a Turkic language.However, some scholars see a possible connection with the Iranian-speaking Sakas.Some scholars believe they were probably a confederation of various ethnic and linguistic groups. Genetics research in 2003 on skeletons from 2000 year old Xiongnu necropolis in Mongolia found some individuals with DNA sequences also present in some modern-day Turks, suggesting that a Turkish component had emerged in the Xiongnu tribe at the end of the Xiongnu period.In 2009, archaeologists found Turkic balbals which are 2000 year old.According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and R1a. The evidence of paternal R1a supports the Kurgan hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region.As the R1a was found in Xiongnu peopleand the present-day people of Central AsiaAnalysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.Xiongnu writing, older than Turkic, is agreed to have the earliest known Turkic alphabet, the Orkhon script. This has been argued recently using the only extant possibly Xiongu writings, the rock art of the Yinshan and Helan Mountains.It dates from the 9th millennium BCE to the 19th century, and consists mainly of engraved signs (petroglyphs) and few painted images.Excavations done during 1924–1925 in Noin-Ula kurgans located in the Selenga River in the northern Mongolian hills north of Ulan Bator produced objects with over 20 carved characters, which were either identical or very similar to the runic letters of the Turkic Orkhon script discovered in the Orkhon Valley.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#History

Pre-DNA testing the only data source we had was from what the 'dirt diggers' were able to uncover ...now there are many ways of proving ones lineage - regional areas of origin etc., etc., etc.

But there's a lot of great information in just that one single link, if one is interest in broadening the mind!

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

Which confirms what I said...

But you did get your dates a bit wrong as mohammed lived from around 570-630 AD...

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

nicko wrote:Handy, why do you keep taking the piss out of tommy,surely his opinions are as valid as yours, And he rarely retaliates with insults such as you and others do !

Anyone who repeatedly claims intelligence of genius levels -the top 1% of humanity, yet still dismisses countless experts, university Professors and scientific journals to dismiss climate change as hogwash deserves every bit of piss taken from him.On this matter, he comes across as a dolt not Einstein the 2nd.I have not commented on this theology topic,It's not an area I know a great deal about.Maritime Science, particularly weather, and all things nautical . I do know about.

_________________I have never met a caring sharing and compassionate Tory.Tories and far right wingers. All liarsVisit Turkey. But beware, Sharia law is watching everyone.

There are posters on here who have blown their own trumpets, on numerous occasions, about all manner of things... and you say nothing about it...

Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

We have veya repeatedly telling us how he's involved in some high level computer programming malarkey that only the best and the brightest of the highest level of top experts can even dream of doing...

Then there's Ziz who, in his short time on this forum, has repeatedly said how he was some sort of big cheese in the govt a few years ago...

Ben tells us he's a journalist...

Elmer tells us that his engineering/management and hunting skills are up there with the best...

And then there's moley (who I very much like and respect, and this is not a criticism in any way), who has told us a great number of interesting things about his achievements and involvement in many high level/profile areas...

There are many more examples I could add here...

Hand shandy says nothing about any of this...

But I mention ONCE that I scored highly on an iq test... and hand shandy doesn't stop banging on about it...

Why...?

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

There are posters on here who have blown their own trumpets, on numerous occasions, about all manner of things... and you say nothing about it...

Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

We have veya repeatedly telling us how he's involved in some high level computer programming malarkey that only the best and the brightest of the highest level of top experts can even dream of doing...

Then there's Ziz who, in his short time on this forum, has repeatedly said how he was some sort of big cheese in the govt a few years ago...

Ben tells us he's a journalist...

Elmer tells us that his engineering/management and hunting skills are up there with the best...

And then there's moley (who I very much like and respect, and this is not a criticism in any way), who has told us a great number of interesting things about his achievements and involvement in many high level/profile areas...

There are many more examples I could add here...

Hand shandy says nothing about any of this...

But I mention ONCE that I scored highly on an iq test... and hand shandy doesn't stop banging on about it...

Why...?

Tommy, Quill is a top lawyer in the USA and I know this to be true and have seen the evidence.

_________________The conservative feels safe and content only if he is assured that some higher wisdom watches and supervises change, only if he knows that some authority is charged with keeping the change "orderly.

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

As far as the castle goes, it's more mine than yours, right? It's owned by a family trust, and I have served that trust in several capacities.

Tommy, you're jealous. I would have thought you were more secure than that. Having two doctorates and teaching in universities is not that unusual in my world. Call it continuing professional education.

I have told you my background only to qualify my opinions and experience in debating certain points. It's done to provide a basis, not to impress you. Obviously, I'm only going to go so far; I'm not going to arm the identity thieves with more details so they can get into my bank account. So I don't give names and addresses. I'm just dedicated to the idea of backing up what I say.

Anyway, I don't ask you to be impressed. I'm just providing the substantiation for my posts. You don't like it because (1) it makes me the winner, or (2) you haven't been in my league, and it makes you jealous. You tell me...why is it so important for you to tear someone else down, rather than build yourself (or your arguments) up?

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

It has often been suggested that the Xiongnu, mentioned in Han Dynasty records, were Proto-Turkic speakers.Although little is known for certain about the Xiongnu language(s), it seems likely that at least a considerable part of Xiongnu tribes spoke a Turkic language.However, some scholars see a possible connection with the Iranian-speaking Sakas.Some scholars believe they were probably a confederation of various ethnic and linguistic groups. Genetics research in 2003 on skeletons from 2000 year old Xiongnu necropolis in Mongolia found some individuals with DNA sequences also present in some modern-day Turks, suggesting that a Turkish component had emerged in the Xiongnu tribe at the end of the Xiongnu period.In 2009, archaeologists found Turkic balbals which are 2000 year old.According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and R1a. The evidence of paternal R1a supports the Kurgan hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region.As the R1a was found in Xiongnu peopleand the present-day people of Central AsiaAnalysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.Xiongnu writing, older than Turkic, is agreed to have the earliest known Turkic alphabet, the Orkhon script. This has been argued recently using the only extant possibly Xiongu writings, the rock art of the Yinshan and Helan Mountains.It dates from the 9th millennium BCE to the 19th century, and consists mainly of engraved signs (petroglyphs) and few painted images.Excavations done during 1924–1925 in Noin-Ula kurgans located in the Selenga River in the northern Mongolian hills north of Ulan Bator produced objects with over 20 carved characters, which were either identical or very similar to the runic letters of the Turkic Orkhon script discovered in the Orkhon Valley.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#History

Pre-DNA testing the only data source we had was from what the 'dirt diggers' were able to uncover ...now there are many ways of proving ones lineage - regional areas of origin etc., etc., etc.

But there's a lot of great information in just that one single link, if one is interest in broadening the mind!

To be fair, no one has said the people that would become Muslim didn't exist. Of course they did- Turkic, Arab etc all existed. But they weren't Muslim. Same as all the peoples inhabiting Europe pre-300-900AD were not Christian.

Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

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A.) you seem to not comprehend the difference between a human and a tribal name - their demographical region that they lived - and when they became known as that written worded NAME = MuslimB.) you seem unable to separate the faith from when the HUMAN LIFE FORM existed and therein lies the crux of your deeply seated problem

Muslims existed long - LONG before there were even attributed with the written word Muslim ...they existed long - long before the thought of baby Jesus and the onset of early Christianity.

You took a sarcastic jab at 'Cheeto-Jesus' and his anti-every human being that isn't WHITE LIKE HIM and tried to make a asinine remark that just wasn't TRUE. Now you either understand the huge error in your post or YOU NEVER WILL. But I am done trying to aide you with your confusion!

To be 'FAIR' ...one would have to have been dealing with Tommykins train of thought since he first jumped into a thread with the intent to just derail it ...and work out all the twists and turns that he's ran from his first words!

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

As far as the castle goes, it's more mine than yours, right? It's owned by a family trust, and I have served that trust in several capacities.

Tommy, you're jealous. I would have thought you were more secure than that. Having two doctorates and teaching in universities is not that unusual in my world. Call it continuing professional education.

I have told you my background only to qualify my opinions and experience in debating certain points. It's done to provide a basis, not to impress you. Obviously, I'm only going to go so far; I'm not going to arm the identity thieves with more details so they can get into my bank account. So I don't give names and addresses. I'm just dedicated to the idea of backing up what I say.

Anyway, I don't ask you to be impressed. I'm just providing the substantiation for my posts. You don't like it because (1) it makes me the winner, or (2) you haven't been in my league, and it makes you jealous. You tell me...why is it so important for you to tear someone else down, rather than build yourself (or your arguments) up?

I'm not jealous at all... I was just making a point to hand shandy that he should stop being a twat about something I mentioned once about myself, when he never says anything about anybody else's claims.

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

******************************************

A.) you seem to not comprehend the difference between a human and a tribal name - their demographical region that they lived - and when they became known as that written worded NAME = MuslimB.) you seem unable to separate the faith from when the HUMAN LIFE FORM existed and therein lies the crux of your deeply seated problem

Muslims existed long - LONG before there were even attributed with the written word Muslim ...they existed long - long before the thought of baby Jesus and the onset of early Christianity.

You took a sarcastic jab at 'Cheeto-Jesus' and his anti-every human being that isn't WHITE LIKE HIM and tried to make a asinine remark that just wasn't TRUE. Now you either understand the huge error in your post or YOU NEVER WILL. But I am done trying to aide you with your confusion!

To be 'FAIR' ...one would have to have been dealing with Tommykins train of thought since he first jumped into a thread with the intent to just derail it ...and work out all the twists and turns that he's ran from his first words!

You really are an idiot... it's quite simple... there were no Muslims around 2000 years ago because islam hadn't been founded until over 600 years later!!!

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

This statement is just insanity, lamely disguised as a possible attempt at humor; but sorrowfully wrong in all aspects just the same!

[quote ="Tommy Monk"]Saddam hussein and his baath party were leftie socialists!And under his rule Iraq was relatively stable, secular and peaceful.

And....

And....

"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

As far as the castle goes, it's more mine than yours, right? It's owned by a family trust, and I have served that trust in several capacities.

Tommy, you're jealous. I would have thought you were more secure than that. Having two doctorates and teaching in universities is not that unusual in my world. Call it continuing professional education.

I have told you my background only to qualify my opinions and experience in debating certain points. It's done to provide a basis, not to impress you. Obviously, I'm only going to go so far; I'm not going to arm the identity thieves with more details so they can get into my bank account. So I don't give names and addresses. I'm just dedicated to the idea of backing up what I say.

Anyway, I don't ask you to be impressed. I'm just providing the substantiation for my posts. You don't like it because (1) it makes me the winner, or (2) you haven't been in my league, and it makes you jealous. You tell me...why is it so important for you to tear someone else down, rather than build yourself (or your arguments) up?

Thanks to a somewhat bizarre twist of fate (and the equally bizarre sense of humour of a completely potty friend) I, too, can lay claim to partial ownership of a Scottish castle and estate - and arguably to the title of Laird under ancient Scots law.

Sadly, however, my stakeholding does not allow me to plant trees, build any structure or even commence fracking operations. And, since it extends to, er, one square foot, there is even insufficient space to exercise any droit de seigneur which might be attached to the title.

4EVER2 wrote:To be 'FAIR' ...one would have to have been dealing with Tommykins train of thought since he first jumped into a thread with the intent to just derail it ...and work out all the twists and turns that he's ran from his first words!

You really are an idiot... it's quite simple... there were no Muslims around 2000 years ago because islam hadn't been founded until over 600 years later!!!

Whether they were called Muslims or something else back then the Kaaba in Mecca played a very important part in the worship of people pre Mohammad.