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Re: Was itachi lying?

Re: Was itachi lying?

Originally Posted by Noddy

Kisame didn't need convincing. And it's true that Itachi wanted to avoid fighting Jiraiya because of his love for Konoha. But he was talking about the Kyūbi when he made that infamous statement. All he said about Jiraiya was that 'even the greatest of heroes have their weaknesses' or something along those lines.

So Itachi was worried about a almost completely sealed/suppressed kyuubi when the man standing next to him is a perfect match for fighting jinchuuriki and can even go Toe to Toe with a perfect jinchuuriki?.

Re: Was itachi lying?

Originally Posted by Exaar

So Itachi was worried about a almost completely sealed/suppressed kyuubi when the man standing next to him is a perfect match for fighting jinchuuriki and can even go Toe to Toe with a perfect jinchuuriki?.

Itachi or kisame had zero reasons to worry about the kyuubi.

Because he is loyal to Konoha. He didn't want to have to harm or capture Naruto. He was lying. I'm merely telling you that he was talking about Naruto. If you read from right to left it becomes obvious that Jiraiya was not the initial subject of the conversation.

Re: Was itachi lying?

Re: Was itachi lying?

Originally Posted by Noddy

Because he is loyal to Konoha. He didn't want to have to harm or capture Naruto. He was lying. I'm merely telling you that he was talking about Naruto. If you read from right to left it becomes obvious that Jiraiya was not the initial subject of the conversation.

Kisame himself has zero reasons to fear it though. He isn't stupid, He wouldn't say someone is simply out of his league because itachi said so or Implies it

Kisame already dealt with naruto and got rid of the kyuubi problem

So why they would Fear it is beyond me, While kisame was never part of the leaf, i'm sure he was informed about the sannin/It's bijuu and it's jinchuuriki to a degree.

Re: Was itachi lying?

Kisame himself has zero reasons to fear it though. He isn't stupid, He wouldn't say someone is simply out of his league because itachi said so or Implies it

Kisame already dealt with naruto and got rid of the kyuubi problem

So why they would Fear it is beyond me, While kisame was never part of the leaf, i'm sure he was informed about the sannin/It's bijuu and it's jinchuuriki to a degree.

Kisame didn't fear it because of something Itachi said - he was the one who started the conversation. He only stated that he wasn't sure if he could take it on. Not that he would lose. Just that there was doubt in his mind with regards to how successful he would be. In their actual meeting, Naruto released only a small amount of Kurama's chakra. He didn't undergo any transformations, and even then, Kisame found the chakra terrifying [1] and that preventing the Kyūbi's power from being used would be removing a problem/trouble [2]. The initial scan was clear. Kisame wasn't sure if he could take it on. Itachi overexaggerated in order to try and completely put Kisame off. Kisame was happy to have found the host in the first place and then goes on to talk about the babysitter, Jiraiya.

Re: Was itachi lying?

Itachi wanted to avoid a fight with Jiraiya since he's one of the good guys, Itachi obviously isn't afraind of Jiraiya since he ****ed up Orochimaru without any problems what so ever. Itachi said it himself ''Even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses'''and remember that he's also the one who said that ''Every jutsu has a weakness''. He obviously doesn't fear anyone...

Re: Was itachi lying?

Originally Posted by Noddy

Kisame didn't fear it because of something Itachi said - he was the one who started the conversation. He only stated that he wasn't sure if he could take it on. Not that he would lose. Just that there was doubt in his mind with regards to how successful he would be. In their actual meeting, Naruto released only a small amount of Kurama's chakra. He didn't undergo any transformations, and even then, Kisame found the chakra terrifying [1] and that preventing the Kyūbi's power from being used would be removing a problem/trouble [2]. The initial scan was clear. Kisame wasn't sure if he could take it on. Itachi overexaggerated in order to try and completely put Kisame off. Kisame was happy to have found the host in the first place and then goes on to talk about the babysitter, Jiraiya.

Well apparently a translator from NF (Naruto forums) ShounenSuki Seems to also believe that they were indeed talking of jiraiya

Originally Posted by ShounenSuki View Post
The sentence most people fall over seems to be 「お守りが あの“伝説の三忍”とは」, which is usually translated as "His guard is one of the "legendary 3 ninja's"

However, translate it as "Naruto's caretaker..." or "The caretaker..." or something like that, and it becomes much more clear that they have been talking about Jiraiya. To be honest, even translating it as "His caretaker..." suggests this, but the "his" can be confusing as it suggests they have been talking about the person pronoun refers to. In the Japanese, there is no pronoun at all. It just says "caretaker".

and another one from Gottheim

Originally Posted by Gottheim
I went through the Japanese Internet (2chan, among others) to see what they think. The general consensus there seems to be that the whole conversation was about Jiraiya, not Naruto (Kyuubi) then Jiraiya as I thought.

They do have a problem with it, but it has to do with the contradiction between Itachi's claims that Jiraiya could handle Kisame+Itachi+reinforcements and Orochimaru saying that Itachi surpasses him (which is kinda reminiscent of a certain "Back then, he saw through everything I did"). To say nothing of the feats that have been displayed in the manga, which effectively put Jiraiya a cut above the rest of the Sannin and more or less on par with Itachi. Slightly below or above him, depending on which side of the fence you sit on.

This effectively settles the argument in the opposition's favor. Those who said it was all about Jiraiya were actually right, and I now I get to eat crow

I cannot say how believeable these are though since i don't know them and dont use NF.

Re: Was itachi lying?

Originally Posted by ixc

Itachi wanted to avoid a fight with Jiraiya since he's one of the good guys, Itachi obviously isn't afraind of Jiraiya since he ****ed up Orochimaru without any problems what so ever. Itachi said it himself ''Even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses'''and remember that he's also the one who said that ''Every jutsu has a weakness''. He obviously doesn't fear anyone...

Itachi rapes Jiraiya any day...

like you said everything has a weakness so that imply's itachi as well as he aint perfect im not sure who would win but to think it would be itachi every time is ridicules also we havent seen jiraiya fight a genjutsu user so we dont know what his battle plan would be

Re: Was itachi lying?

Well apparently a translator from NF (Naruto forums) ShounenSuki Seems to also believe that they were indeed talking of jiraiya

This one is just talking about the second half of the conversation.

and another one from Gottheim

I cannot say how believeable these are though since i don't know them and dont use NF.

And this was just a rumour with no actual evidence. Kirin Rei is a well known translator and this is what she had to say;

The above translation is way off.

Kisame - You could somehow win, but I couldn't stand up to such an opponent for more than a couple of minutes... It's on a completely different level.Itachi - Ah... Either (we) both (he says both/two, meaning him and Kisame) would die, or it would be a draw... The result wouldn't change even if we increased our numbers.Kisame - It was good that we found him at the ramen shop... And he has one of the Legendary Sannin as a lucky charm. That guy (Jiraiya) might be a fair match for the strongest Uchiha from Konoha and the Mist's strongest swordsman.Itachi - Hmm, even so... It's said that every strong man has a weakness...

Kisame and Itachi were talking about the Kyuubi, not Jiraiya. Kisame brings the topic of Jiraiya up later on in the conversation and Itachi acknowledges that he's strong, but he says that he has a weakness. *girls girls girls*

It seems as if Kisame was babbling on about taking the Kyuubi on, that he couldn't do it more than a couple of minutes but Itachi would have a chance. Itachi states that they both wouldn't stand a chance of winning, even if they increased their numbers. Kisame states that it was lucky to find Naruto in the ramen shop but Jiraiya would pose a problem and Itachi just says; girls girls girls.