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Just to let you know, the system do exist. And, to be honest, I think there are more than one. The only problem is that you can't find a winning system on sale, for easy to understandable reasons. I worked on mine for more than 25 years. I had lost a lot of money during the process, and I studied a lot of math. Roulette is not a probabilties game (you play too few shots for the rules of chances to be involved). It is just math, plain and simple. So to avoid any further question, I will not explain the system (why I should?) and I will not sell it (I gain enough to have no need of selling it), so my meaning here is to push you all to keep your studies and your efforts straight towards the desired Eden. I repeat, it is real. I had read a lot of interesting posts here. Some people look at the tree missing the forest, while other have a very "hippies" approach (magical relationship between numbers, power of the dealer, this sort of craps), so I encourage you to go back in matemathics and forget "hot" and "cold" numbers, or sectors, and handle just the money you got as a bankroll. That is the key. After all "Martingale" is a winnng system, if it wasn't for the table limit and the need of a huge bankroll to win a very small amount of money. I guess I already said too much. Good work to all, and thank you for keeping this forum so amusing.

(I am not an English mothertongue, so forgive my mistakes)

I don't care if you believe it or not. You don't know me and I don't know you, so I cannot see the meaning of patting myself on the back with people that are completely strangers to me. I wrote it for the good guys among you that are trying and sometime feels sad because they crash on a wall of bricks when their system fail, and they read, in places like this, they are chasing a unicorn. I would like to remember them that even human flight was impossible till someone did it. In the world there are two kinds of people, the ones who thinks impossible is just another word to say hard, and the ones who say 'I don't believe it' because they cannot stand they are wrong. I will not explain my system because I can't understand why someone has to have for nothing what I spent a life to achieve. I do have enough curious during my game sessions, "discreetely" walking behind me in order to understand why I am not losing at the roulette, to ask for more. My system gains 0,25 a shot on average, the bankroll needed is a lot less then 1000 units, and the longest game has been around 90 spins (I do my calculation without writing down outcomes, so cannot be accurate on that). The average game lasts five spins.

I repeat, I don't care about your opinion. What I do care is to encourage someone in this chase. I am sure that anyone with a very good system doesn't share it. I played in Europe, in USA and in Australia, on boats and on land, and sometimes I saw people play with a system that looks like a winning one, and they had a confidence that I recognized (never a sign of impatience, not an eyebrown rised when a strange situation occurred on the wheel, like the same number six times in a row, and so on and so forth), so I am quite sure I am not the only one. I studied Pointcarè, Riemann, and many more, then I found a well known system that was a good one. I worked hard to perfect it, and I did. End of story. Now, because haters gonna hate, I will be amused by the next replies...

You are the one that spit sentences on everyone else, I see. I said, on average I gain 0.25 per spin, that means that in 4 spins I gain one unit. Who said 25 unit per spin? I play an average of two days a week (you know, I have a family and I love to spend time with them) and I stay at the casino for 8/10 hours each day. I eat, go to the bathroom, walk, grab a coffee... So playing time is around seven hours. I play with machines (roulette tables are too slow) so I see 200 spin an hour, that means fifty units. Moltiply by 7 are 350 units. Machines allows 1, 2, or 5$ units, so I think you can do the rest of the math. I will became rich? I don't care. I have enough, now. If I'd found this in my twenties, probably I would move inside the casino, with a tent, but I am a lot older, so I am happy with this amount.

The title of my post say everything: "A word of encouragment". You have no clue about me lying or not. Your prejudice decided that I am a liar, an attention's grabber. This prejudice is because of your "knowledge" (I should write lack of knowledge). A better attitude would be "because I don't know, I don't jugde", but it is too much to ask, I guess. Your Prejudice is built on the fact that you never heard of a winning system, but is like believe that the earth is flat because is the common belief, and was the situation few centuries ago, despite the fact that some people already pointed out the truth (Eratostenus, like 2 millenia before). Hard to believe, I know, but Dr Talos is not my real name. So what kind of pleasure I would have claiming something like that? I want to sell something? Nope. So? If you have a winning system, a real one, would you give it away so easily, just to read compliments and clap of hands on a monitor? I don't think so, especially if you did work hard to find it. Sure, I could stay quiet, like I am sure many do, but I think a true seeker in a moment of despair can find some energy in my statement, and keep working. I will no longer reply, I will not explain it, and I let people find what they want from this thread. I met a lot of people in my life so stupid to believe that what is between their ears is all that exists. So be it.

RouletteMan, you are medicine for me. Are they behind the scam also called Roulette Physics? The people who sell a wonderful machine for several dozen thousands dollars, machine able to understand that the ball will drop in the wheel, in a sector with a number on top, that can be red or black or green, 100% sure? Everything is clear, a blue sky, thank you. I was so pissed today, but now I can sleep with a smile.

How much should be paid a real winning method? Let's say I will ask what I gain in two months, is this enough? But you are right, if someone decide to sell it, there is nothing wrong. I think that nobody will do because you have to ask for a lot of cash. Sometimes you see people sell 100% winning systems for 10$. They claim they get from the system the same amount in 3 minutes, so how can anyone fall in that trap? I do use a progression, not as painful and aggressive like Martingale, but not everytime one hit close the game.

As I said, "Martingale" is a winning system that defeats the house edge. Unfortunately, is unplayable... So, the task is to create a playable Martingale. Many tried: we have Reverse Martingale, Fibonacci, and so on. This is the path. For my experience, any system that tries to predict outcome of future spins is not working, so you have to consider only math.

You are funny. Allows me to introduce you to a concept important: what you need is a practical solution, not a perfect solution. This way, theoretically unsolvable problem can be solved.

Real, you keep saying I wanna sell something. I don't. I do not want to sell it no matter how much money you, or anyone else, can offer. And, If I do not sell, what make you think I will give it for free? I don't ask for applause either. I want to give people some hope, based on my experience. My system won't last? Fine, that means that I will lose few thousand dollars. In the last for years (little less) thanks to it, I moved to US with my family, got an Investor Visa (you need 1M$ for that, don't know if you are aware), and I think I can handle the math god fury on me...

I think you are missing the point. Mathematically, the same number can hit 10 times in a row. A very small chance, still could. Never happened, because is not a probability game, as I said in the first place. My approach to progression is quite unique, for what I see, and it works. Because I am not the most intelligent man in the world (wasting time with you is quite a demonstration of that) I think other did, in their very own way. So, for the seekers in this forum, my advise to keep trying is, I think, useful. Roulette is a simple game with a small (compared to other games) house edge. We all know that. Is not the only game where you can beat the casino, and you can understand that just checking in which game you have limits and boundaries (blackjack and roulette). They (casinos) already found flaws, and in decades they fixed that. If my way of play became "popular" (selling to one person, just one, will be the end of it, you understand it, right?), they will change something to cut my system out. Did I use enough logic to you? Never underestimate reasons of others just because you are not in the position to handle their specific tasks. Being a consistent winner creates a whole new set of problems with casinos.

To RouletteGhost AKA Sherlock Holmes. A) scam artist who has nothing to sell? Like open a store with empty shelves. B) this is the only forum I am in, and I did just few days ago after reading posts for quite few weeks, and found them amusing. C) a rise? By who and for what? Did I ask for something? I keep saying "try harder and find your system". Is something so unacceptable for you, to look for hidden meaning and planned strategy? I feel so sorry for you guys. How can you handle all this anger? I hope you can take this seriously people believing in a God in the sky, or who votes Republicans. They are victims of a scam. Unless you are one of them, of course, if this is the case, everything is already explained. Have a wonderful night.

I see you all are looking for ideas, so here my little help. This is a system very effective that I used some years ago. The reason I left it is simple: I cannot accept a system with a stop-loss criteria. A perfect system must have some qualities in its structure, like easy to manage, no deep calculation needed, a reasonable bankroll, and a general good gameplay, with no choices to be made during the game. So here the system, and the good and flaws of it, in my opinion. Feel free to use it, test it or improve it.

The system tries to get advantage on repetitions. As you all know, in a full cycle (37 spins, or 38 in an american wheel) on average 2/3 of the numbers will be out, and 1/3 will not. We don’t know which numbers will be repeated, and how many times, but they will. The system is played on straight numbers, and I’ll show you an actual play that took place in Atlantic City a three years ago, more or less. This was the situation when I approached the table. A list of the last sorted numbers, from the oldest to the last one.24112535324 So I started playing with a single chip on all numbers from the one following the repeated one. The total is 5 numbers, or five chips, as I should say. Then the next one was21 play 6, balance -113 I hit, easily. Profit 25 Now the game is a single chip on 3 numbers (24-21-3)262321 so, with just three shots, another hit (is not always so easy… I included it to let you handle the idea before getting serious). I played a total of 12 chips for a profit of 24. Now still three numbers to play (26-23-21)14 (+4 chips played = balance -7)4 (+5 = -12)5 (+6 = -18)28 (+7 = -25)8 (+8 = -33)23 Profit 3. New start, I played 7 chips (21-14-4-5-28-8-23)16 (+8 = -15)21 Profit 21. New start, play 8 numbers)1 (+9 = -17)20 (+10 = -27)5 (-38)30 (-50)35 (-63)31 (-77)23 (I won 36, so my balance at this point is -41) My selection for the next bet is the same as before (numbers from 16 down to 23, for a total of 9 numbers) adding 1 to my bet, so I put 2 chips on every number. The total played is 18 chips, for a total balance of -59)0 (+20 = -79)31 Still not in positive, I am -7. New selection with just three numbers (23-0-31) with 3 chips on each. Total bet is 9 and the balance is now -16.31 straight repetition. I won 92 chips. The total for this session is 165.

Ok, is not always so good, as you can see for yourself. You can reach a multiplier of 25+ and a need for a huge bankroll (more than 1000 chips) so you are forced to a stop-loss. This system taught me a great lesson: if a system let you gain a lot, it will cost you a lot. Every system who promises you to get more than the mere nominal chip is always a mirage. Sooner or later will put you upside down. Sure, this method can let you have hundreds in minutes, but it is risky. It easy to track because every roulette table nowadays has the last sorted numbers visible on a screen, and there is no need of calculation, really. I had to remember just the total balance I have at the beginning of the game (I play on automatic wheels, because real tables are too slow) and that’s it. I think it can be improved, sure I tried, then I jumped in something better and I left it. I hope you will enjoy it. As always, forgive me for my clumsy English.

This is so true, Real. Human mind needs to see a pattern where there is not. I always say that there is no reason in selecting numbers to play, or special combination that works as triggers (wait three blacks, then...) this is nonsense. If a system works, must do it with any random number you chose to bet.

Previous outcomes has not business in future outcomes. You know that. You have only one road to follow in order to win: betting amount. The "perfect system" is the martingale, but unfortunately is impossible to play. Once you create a suitable martingale, you have your Holy Grail.

Has never occurred more than 22 times the same single chance hit in a row. If you wait for it, you could consider the 23rd a sure winning. Is not. The possibility to be red or black, manque or pass is exactly as before. The only thing different is that after the outcome, they will correct the record.

This is exactly why I no longer use it. Grants very huge winning, and some painful losses. Now, I completely abandoned selections of numbers to play, and I worked just with Progression. This system can be used selecting twins or streets instead of straight numbers, works quite in the same way.

I did, dobbelsteen, but I didn't get any of it. I do not understand the system and the idea behind it. I would love to understand it better, if you could help me... So, if you are looking for my opinion, I have none

You need a system that not relays on a magical winning combination. If you need your number to be hit, you are wandering in a deep dark wood. What I meant is that your system (in order to be HG) must win no matter the sequence of numbers the wheel sorts out. This is why I wrote that the recovery sometimes can be a relatively slow process, but overall the system end up winning (one unit). You are not paying attention, I guess. A single number can disappear for a long time, but who said I play a single number? I guess you agree with me if I tell you that a simple chance can disappear for a less considerable amount of time, or a dozen can sleep for more than that but less than a straight number, and so on and so forth. The trick is a "playable Martingale". I keep saying that, I know I am boring. Let me clarify for you one more time. Suppose I am playing red with my progression. I win. Then, with the same outcomes, same list of numbers, I play black. The system must win as well, otherwise is not trustfully. That my point.

You Reyth found what I discovered a long ago: fewer numbers your selection is, easiest your recovery, longer your game. The other side of the coin, is that your profit costs you long hours at the table. Overall, is a good rule, but brings you in a dead alley. If I have to invest big bankroll and huge amount of time to gain pennies, is better for me to find a job! ;] A single number can be played with a slow progression that covers 153 spins with a total bankroll of 1510 units, and if you play the oldest number out (already late for more than 100 spin) you can win quite easily. Is it bullettproff? Is not, unfortunately, and your losses will be more than your winnings, so the nature of this games.

How can you be covered for 920 spins? I guess one hit will not be enough. The system you are talking about is "bullseye"?

At the end of the first progressiom (92) you are negative 700, or so. How many hits do you need at level 2 and 3 to recover? Seems, from your explanation, just once per level, and this cannot be. Please clarify to me.

There is a point when the system is too far gone to consider a stop loss? And how much will it be? I ask this because from my point of view the bankroll is quite huge, and I saw numbers hit once in 300 spins and sleep again for a couple hundreds more spins. At that point will your progression be just too heavy?

I give you my 2 cents of advice. One of the flaws of this is that you put all your eggs in one basket. A single number can forget to hit for a long time, and mathematically speaking, nothing say that after the first hit your number must come more often than usual. For what I saw, can sit out for other 400 spins without problems. Second, the recovery schedule is too fluctuant. Sometimes when hit you get a lot of profit, and sometimes just zero, or little more. Third, you need a huge amount of money in order to play. When a system crave for more than 1000 units bankroll, my soul cries... Even if you won so far, it is herthbreaking put like 200/300 dollars in a single spin of a wheel. Probably you can improve it a little, for example looking for the latecomer. And switch everytime you hit. You can choose a less aggressive progression (the easiest one goes for 120 spins with a total negative balance of 493, and a max bet of 14). I don't think this will change the substance of "bullseye", It will ever be a very risky system.

I wrote all this in admiration of your efforts and your attitude. I love the enthusiasm you have when you approach a new idea, your discipline in testing and reporting, and I learned to know when you leave an idea to something new, like now with this one.

how is mathematically speaking odds of a single number to miss for 249 spins?

No, real, question is another. If your sistem gains 1 unit a game, and you can aspect that once in 918 you lose, if the system costs you like, so to speak, 356 units to cover that 249 spins, seems to me you have something in your hands. Am I wrong?

Sorry for you. I respect the democracy of opinions but the tiranny of facts say to me that in the last 18 months I cashed an average of 22/25 thousand $ a month with my system, so I respectfully don't care a bit what you Sapiens believe or know. My question was because Reyth system (bullseye) make me work on the idea of a single number progression, so I just asked, politely. As I sayd, I appreciated the answer.

Thank you bluangel. I do not look for a new system. As I said, I was amused by the challenge to find a better solution than the one proposed by Reyth. I figure out a progression that last equivalent of 249 spins with a need for a single hit to be victorious, and the bankroll required of 355 units. As each and every system I like, gains merely one unit a game, but the majority of games last few spins, so I asked For some math. If the system takes a loss every 900 games, grossly, means that I have a positive balance of 555 units. If this is the true, it will be the second system in my personal portfolio (not really, because I didn't test this for more than a couple thousands spins, so so far it is just theoretical for me).

Any system that requires more than 1000 units as bankroll, will be discharged by me immediatly. Sorry for that.

Ok real, some facts: I go to casinos for three/four days a week. I play around 8 hours a day, and I see grossly 600 spins, gaining around 1500/1800 $ a day. My systems total bankroll is 950 units (never been close to that. The worst game touched a 590 units). For my basic bet, 3000$. You say that something that has never happen in the last 18 months (grossly my last 200 visits to casinos) will happen tomorrow, making me lose 3000$. And, moreover, from tomorrow it will be a rule, and I will lose 3000$ a day for the next year. Are you joking? I have no idea why you keep reading posts here and trying to put everyone down with your "unbeatable math". I don't care (already said that). You can believe what you want. If you are sure, let's make a bet. Bring in a casino 25000$. I will do the same. I play my system for any reasonable amount of time you want. You fix the limits. If I win, I take your 25000$ (without explaining you the system). If I bust, you take my money. Deal?

To blueangel: Do you know how many things are against you in a casino? How many players try to understand the way you play, have many interruptions, technical difficulties, machines out of order for some time and such? If you are out for about 5000 units and they ask you to leave for changing tickets dispenser, or general maintenance, or cleaning, what you do with your system? And about calculation, you really think to bring paper and pens? (many people does that. One brought even a laptop, once). Is not my way. I don't want to get noticed, for easily understandable reasons. I play enough to change money with a machine instead of a cashier, and always below 10000 so I will not sign any paper. I do my simple math in my mind, and I use a clicker to keep track of the number of spins occurred. I had been throw out of a small casino in Slovenjia, once, a couple years ago. I will never do the same mistake again.I change often my target, so I need to stay away from home 3/4 days a week. I love Las Vegas for obvious reasons, and I do not trust online casinos (two reasons for this, you can easily guess both).

I post here because many are really trying to beat the wheel. I was in the same situation not so long time ago. So I try to give inputs, suggestions. I will not give my system to anyone, free or for money. I wrote my fourth in a post called simple system, the top threes are with me, and written for my family, if something happens to me (my oldest son is 19, can take my place). What I wrote can give you the wrong idea. Two fully tested systems are written, the third, the one I am developing right now, is still only in my pads. The system, profitable, that I do not use, has a need of a big bankroll, and sometimes the game can be too long for a marginal profit. The other, you can call HG is, well, Holy Grail, and is exactly what I dreamt of for something like 30 years. Hope this clarifies a bit my position here.

Yeah, Real, you did a very good job spotting me. You are such a laugh... I hope for you you do not play poker, with this "ability" you have. What a loser.

Blueangel. No, they have nothing against paper and pen, it is me. Perla is a very big casino in Slovenjia. The biggest, to say it all. I was playing in a small one called Diamond Club. And I choose that because was one of the few with an airball machine.

For me, a winning session is: I insert 1000$ in a machine (or change in chips at a table) and hours later I take 1500$. And not occasionaly, but steadily and repeatously. But now I know few things. 1) it is easy to win. Pick 18 number you easy get 130 hit out of 200. (Please show me that!) 2) even if you win a million dollar over a twenty years time frame, you should consider yourself a loser, because you will die and death will come in your grave with a roulette wheel making you lose for the eternity, just to balance odds.

Seems I wasted my time here. This will not happen again. I am heading to a casino, where I will be in the next four days, facing my destiny as a loser and crying when I cash my illusional winnings. So long, guys.

I will not answer to this post to any stupid rant as I get in other threads. This is just a cumulative answer for all the private messages I get these days. Heres my thought on this game, and how I achieved my results, hoping you all can treasure it and get some good.

In this game you see two possible roads to follow: predict numbers outcome and betting strategy. Has been clear to me, after first ten years, that there is no way to predict anything. Numerology, wizardry, statistic are not helpful. I have seen a number hit 5 times in a row, and another one disappear for 478 spins. Red hit for 28 spins to get interrupted by a 0 then hit for more 14 spins... So, my first decision has been take out all this BS. I worked on progressions. I guess I am too dumb and ignorant for deep math, but I also thought that some math geniouses (well, probably not as good as some people in here, though) approached the wheel and they surrended, so a full mathematical approach seems unlogical to pursue.

I easy get emotional, so I couldn't accept a system too demanding in terms of high betting or huge bankroll. I couldn't see myself putting like 300 units on a spin wheel. I get no confort thinking that I have 90% of chance to hit... So my systems always started with an expected balance of 2/300. I knew that developing the system I will find a need to multiply that. If I start higher, I will end near the impractical.

I tried to be creative, putting ideas on the table and trying without prejudices whatsoever. Even if system would fail, some of it could be good. After many years, putting toghether all this crumbs of experience, I figure out a way to manage progression in a bizarre way (by the way, a last advice. Because so many work and worked to find HG, a system too easy to plan, like betting the last sector, or add 1 when you hit, must be discarded right away. Other already tried that!).

If your system win big, will lose big. If your system win one unit, you just have to figure out a way to recover from a very small amount in the bad streak. This is important. In my opinion is not good to relay on a single event in order to to win. This single event could not happen for a very long time. Hope this will help someone.

Sorry Jefra I do not speak that language. I can say Hvala, dobre Jutro (I am not sure is even right this) and few more words. I do not play even chances.

Makes no sense. If roulette is a random game, what's the meaning of changing a random element of it accordingly to the people playing. If the wheel is biased, and the outcome already determined by the overall betting, what's the meaning of this change you are talking about? I wonder what kind of answer you whould have give if someone stated what you wrote in your last post.

I respect your "knowledge" of math and the game, I absolutely do not like your attitude, and your way to consider a fool everyone is not on your side. Remember me of Aristoteles, who said that women had fewer teeth than men, as natural proof of being lesser individuals, and despite he has been married twice, never asked to one of them to open the mouth to allow him to count their teeth...

So... Checking outcomes to identify a biased or fallacious wheel, then look at the ball spinning around the wheel to identify a sector where it will most likely end its run, it is called science. On the other hand, waiting for a situation to occur, a situation that statistically happens one time every two spins, and studying a progression that allows you to wait 20 spins to hit, it is called luck.

Real, your logic makes no sense. I understand you have something to sell, but your way to repeat your mantra (gambler's fallacy and such) is quite annoying. If someone has a system that will eventually fail, I guess he will find out by himself. Every thread here starts with an idea, then you jump in with your mantra, repeating over and over your point of view. We got it. I assure you. We are dreamers and you are a scientist, please proceed.

What's your purpose? Raising yourself downgrading others? If you could just spend your time collecting money, as you should do as a Professional Gambler, it will be great. Let people play and try their way, they are big enough, and you are making a fool of yourself. If you can not build something, at least avoid to destroy other people work. Be respectful, be tolerant, be wiser. Your way is not the only way, just one of many. You and your friends are bad weed in a wonderful garden. It is so frustrating your negative attitude, I cannot even word it. Do you know how many impossible things has been done while other were screaming "cannot be done!"? And, finally, the sentence about the inutility to expect a different result from similar starting point is absurd. In science, you always pursue a different result from a single starting point, with small variations. People here do experiments trying to find a result, working with numbers, progressions, deduction and such. More are closer than they think, actually, but the last step is the hardest, it is said.

Forgive me for this illiterate rant, i'd love to be able to write a better English.

so, explain me why one of my post his no more visible. Several days ago, I said that the effort Real put throwing s*** to anyone made me suspicious. I said he have somehing to sell, and wants everyone to fail just to sell his system/machine/whatever. Real said no, obviously. He is in a sacred mission of save all of us from our mistakes. Then, today, he reavealed himself promoting a site where they sell machines to beat the Wheel. I put a reply calling him good as a two dollar bill. My reply is no more there! So, I hope this thread will last, so anyone get to know what his game is. I don't know if he handle this forum, or else. I keep saying to all of you: go with your effort to beat the wheel, and ignore this "person".

If there is someone who puts negativity in here is Real! He lied, and I just pointed it out. He accused me of lying, of scam, and he said I was a fake profile of someone else. I didn't saw you putting shields to cover me. I respect your work here, and your attitude, but this guy and his friends crossed the river many times, and just because they have to sell their junk (if wasn't so, junk I mean, they will spend time getting money from casinos, not from people). Mine is a winning system, and I will never sell, and never reveal outside my family. People here works together to figure out a system or at least a strategy that works. This is good, and everyone should encourage this. What is the meaning of get annoyed by Real or his friends? If you see what has happen lately, you will see less posts and less idea, because I thnk people is getting sick of been treated like fools or idiots, and quit working at open air, sharing ideas. It was supposed to be so? I don't think so. Anyway, I said mine. Forgive me for this rant. I will out for 4 days (my weekly casino trip) so I will not be able to follow this forum or just occasionally. I am curious to see what people think.

Sorry blueangel you are wrong. I don't wait for any sleepers or missing numbers. I start playing without any observation whatsoever, as soon as I reach the casino. I don't think someone can predict outcomes, so I work just with progression. I play with 1$ chips, because hypothetically this system can go high as little more than 1000 units (if this happens when you play with 5$ chips you have to collect more than 7000$, and this bring employees to register your name for receiving payment, something I do not want. 97% of games ends in the first 14 spins, and almost 70% in first fives. Usually I do not need to put more than 300$ dollar for every session, and after two/three hours I take a break. For my system to work, I need that I hit a number every 60 numbers played (means I don't have the same amount of numbers to play at every spin). I have 256 spins to pursue that average. When the ratio 1/60 his reached, my system is in profit. Hope this helps.

As I said, I found it, and I will never explain to anyone. I wrote it down for my daughter, so if something happens to me, she could have it when she will be old enough (now she is 5). No one of my friends or relatives will have. I tried once to explain it to my wife, but after a couple of minutes she watched me confused and said: "Are you kidding? I don't understand a thing of what you are saying", so now stays with me. In the last years, I lost some games, or for malfunction of the roulette (airball machines) that closed down while I was in a game, and once because I had the urgency to go to the bathroom. The system, as itself, never failed. I started with .25$ chips, and now I play 3$. My next step is 5$ then 10$. No more than that, there is no use and could be dangerous in a variety of ways. Once a guy at the casino offered me 20.000$ to explain my system (I played for a week there, and every day he kept an eye on me). A mistake I will never do again. Maximus is two days in a row. I play 8 hrs a day, 2/3 days a week. I do not work, because I do not need to. The worst part of a winning system is the boredom. Stays there hours doing basically nothing is boring. Deadly boring. And around you there are a lot of distractions. So you have to build your discipline, and stick to it playing at roulette no matter what. At the end, you can use your winnings (part of them) to enjoy yourself. I did in my prime, now I walk away as soon as I cash my ticket. My daily goal is 1000$, sometime I quit a little before when I am tired. Mostly, I stick to it. My final goal is 3000$ a day for two days a week. Not enough to became rich, but I am not in that kind of mind setting.

By the way, I don't care if you believe it or not. I post here with open hearth and no second meaning whatsoever.

Kav, he implied I am a liar, I implied he is an idiot. I have no problems. Every time I pocket my money, I think of people like him, unable to accept what they cannot understand or have. They protect themselves saying is not possible because they cannot stand that they aren't able to get it. In the last 2 years and a half I got more than 400.000$, do you think his opinion is somehow relevant to me. He can keeps is opinion while I keep my money and my system. Win-win... The fact is that I am playing right now, and I get bored, so this is a distraction. Anyway, because of the question in this thread, I gave my answer. Simple and straightforward. Some users of this site asked me privately and politely informations about my system, and they get some. Not enough to solve the riddle (unless they are smart, devoted and analyze every hint I gave them) but something to work with. I have no intention to sell my system, and sure I will not reveal it for free (25 years of work cannot be wasted). I think there is more than 1 winning system, and I am sure who is in the same position as me decided to do the same: keep it secret without exceptions. Probably I am the dumbest of them all, wasting my time in a forum like this one, with people so shortminded.

Bebediktus, my dream should be a big one, because allowed me to move to US, grant a Visa, live in in a big house (rented, not enough credit history to start a mortgage). Well, after all has been said that if you work hard on your dreams they became reality. Yeah, I know, even these words of wisdom are fool's gold.

I guess is OT, but because you asked, I reply. I am here to encourage you all to keep trying in your search of the HG. This was in fact my first post here, and I believe in it since. So many people keeps saying the roulette cannot be beaten, I say the opposite. If they are legit, I am too.

How much bankroll do you need? In theory, 1400 units. In my experience never gone even close to that. My record is around 450. But It is good to have some margins.

How many numbers you bet? Depends. Changes during the game.

Did the game ends with the first hit? Only if hits in the firsts spins. Sometimes I need 2 hits, sometimes five…

What the average profit? Each and every game ends with a profit from 1 to 9 units. The average profit, because games can last 1 spin while other 30 or so, is around .30

Do you need a “magical” combination in order to win? Not at all. All is needed is that I hit an average of 1 every 60 numbers played (or better). As soon as this threshold is reached, the game is won. Has happen I had to wait more than 180 numbers played before the first hit, then in the next 15 spins or so, with three more hit, the game was over.

How you choose numbers to play? I use a system to avoid any mistake, and to fasten the game. There is no a better pattern or a best or worst choice, the important is the total numbers played, in the way the system asks for.

How many spins your system stands? It can go almost 260 spins. The longest game I experienced is 73 spins, and the second worst around 50. The average game last 4 spins. During the day 80% of games are from 1 spins to 12.

Do you sell it? No, I don’t.

Why? Because I don’t want to. I make enough money with it to be satisfied, and if I had to put a price tag, that should be quite high.

Are calculations complicated? Not really. In the vast majority of games I can compute mentally, using a clicker to keep track of spins. When the game becomes longer, let say more than 20 spins, you should keep track of balance, but is not complicated at all.

Do you cheat the wheel? No, in any way. I use math.

So, what’s the philosophy of the system? I think progression is the key. I don’t think there is a way to predict what numbers will be next, or sector or street or… Past spins have no influence, the dealer have not, the cabalistic aspect of numbers… BS. Even statistic has no matter in few spins, because it works on large amount of numbers.

How you found it? I tried and tried tons of systems, changing approach every time that I felt stuck and cannot improve further what I had. I guess I have been lucky finding an unusual way to build a progression. As a matter of fact, I never seen a progression even close as the one I use.

Why you are not rich? In an average day, you can play 8/10 hours, with frequent stops. Most of all, because looking at a wheel is boring (I usually browse the internet meanwhile, because you don’t need much attention in the first 10 spins, or chatting or using Facebook etc. etc.). The airball machine, that is faster than live roulette (close to 1 spin every fifty seconds) allows me to profit 30/40 units hr. I play with 3$ chips, so my day ends when I get 1000$. That goes two/three days a week. With a 3$ unit chip, for 1400 bankroll needed, I bring with me 4500$. My plan is move to 5$ then 10$, so to reach a profit of 3000$ a day, or 6000$ a week, or 24000$ a month, “working” only two days a week. Last year, for example, I played for long sessions of 12 and 14 days in a row, in Atlantic City and Las Vegas. Not a pleasureful experience, except for money. Back to math. To became rich you should play something like 4 days a week, with a 20$ units, so you have to bring 30000$ cash in the casino (go figure) and maybe redeem 10000$ over and over… You get noticed, not only by casino’s employees: thieves, gold diggers, people in needs, other gamblers… I don’t want that!

Are you the only winner? I don’t think so. I played in hundreds places, from US to Australia, from Norway to Spain, on cruise ships and so on, and I met at least other two guys that seemed to have a good system. You can say this because they didn’t celebrate huge winnings, they were very focused on the game, and I “recognized” my same behaviors (no rewards cards, no chatting with others, no emotional display of any sort).

Did you ever lost? Three times. Once I had to go to the bathroom because of oysters… yeah, enjoy the buffet, they say. Another was because they had to clean the area where the roulette was located. They gave me a warning of three spins then they closed the machine. I was out of like 20 units, so not a big deal. Third, and most painful, in the middle of a long game, I was out around 150 units, and my sister called me at the phone. My mother was no more, and I left without caring of the systems or the money.

Do you play online? No. I think it is too easy to rig results, and secondarily I don’t want to be noticed. I change often casinos, and I cannot stick to an online one.

Did you ever told someone the system. I wrote the system for my family, if something happens to me. Unfortunately my daughter is too young to learn it, and my wife cannot grab it. I had sometimes the temptation, for vanity or because someone needed so badly, but I refrained myself. I thought to teach it to my brother, so he could protect my family if something unexpected happens to me. This is my biggest concern. I am not in a good relationship with him, and I do not trust him 100%, and I don’t think he got the right attitude to play the system at the casino, because lacks of discipline.

Something more to add? I’m just a nickname on a monitor, and people reading it are nicknames too. I don’t want to impress females just to bring them to me, so there is no use to fake something. I don’t care if people believes it or not. I have been called liar and attention seeker, dreamer or scammer. I get sad reading these statements, because they do not understand my position, and moreover they reveal their short sight. Unfortunately my English is not good enough to express myself completely, and I am sure I made a lot of mistakes here, but I hope someone will be encouraged to find his own way to his HG.

Jake, consider that I was living in Europe till few years ago, and my English was nothing back then. I never heard of the website you are talking to. I made my progression entirely from scratch. I didn't figure it out in a blast, though. The initial draft was different, then I adjusted it practicing and playing, when my mind figure out a way to improve it. Not all improvements has been for the better, so sometimes you have to go back to basic, but what I have now is untouched since 2014. Ever attempt I made to improve it further has been unsuccessful, so I guess I reached the top of it.

I think the first year has been just recovery, for all the money I spent previously, in systems and strategies that didn't work. In almost thirty years of attempts, I had my share of desperation and anger. Many times I thrown away pads and notes, with thousands and thousand of outcomes on which I tested systems that lasted less than 2 hours in a real play.

Is not easy to win even with a winning system. As I said, boredom is a potent killer. You need discipline and self control. These are characteristics my brother doesn't have. I understand is quite sad as a statement, but this is it. He is an honest man, but is not a player in any sense, and the system for him is just a waste. The defeat is, primarily, on the player.

I will not share. Let's say you want to start a business, a solid and established franchising. You have to pay a quote, and initial setup, and a slice of your profit, or a monthly fee. I thought of it for some time. Put together a bunch of people and sweep casinos, getting a share of their work and all of mine. I thought asking like 50000$, give some training, and when the player is able to walk by itself, start with a new one (I guess it takes less then 30 minutes to learn it, and maybe a day or two to handle at the casino). My problem was how to control that. I know how much the system profit, but I cannot keep the system with the initial team. They can spread it all over the world, and make it worthless. Honestly, I don't think the casino can stop it. I don't reach limits, I don't cheat, I don't use any device, is just simple math, but the accessibility to a casino floor is always discretional, so they can kick you out without reasons. So I decided to keep it to me exclusively. As you can see, there are issues. I thought to keep with me and just my wife, or my brother, as a safety net, but I don't have the right person close to me. Anyway, I wrote it down as a legacy for my family, and they will have it if something will happen to me. I am confident that someone will be able to use it. I am not even 50, so I hope I got some time :]

With the future money, I will do some investment. For now, I spend most of the winning moving to US, buy a small business to get a Visa, and I just recently moved to a new bigger house. As I said, I am not really interested in becoming rich. Never been a dream of mine. I like money, I don't like to be ruled by greed.

Sorry, your guess is wrong. As I said, I play different amounts of numbers as the game progress. Playing one number? I have been already dead for boredom... I moved recently from 1$ chips to 3$ chips because I reached one of my planned benchmarks (100.000 real spins). When I will cross the 150.000, I will move to 5$, and crossed 200.000 spins played, I will land on a 10$ chips, my final goal. When, I said when, not if, my system will fall, I will lose less than 0.1% of what I get so far. I don't think I will lose often though.

Moreover, I said that vast majority of games ends in few spins, and this cannot be with a single number bet. You are not paying attention...

I can't see the point of warning me on a system I am using since 2014, pocketing a lot of money since then

I have a way to select what to bet, in order to avoid confusion or indecision. If system tell me to play a couple of dozens (for example, is not the way how it works...) I have a pattern to chose which dozens are to use. What you choose doesn't affect the final result, as long as you bet two dozens! This "pattern" helped me testing the system without tweaking results. I tried different patterns with the same spin outcomes, and worked exactly the same. A winning system must work in every situation, or is not a winning system. If you need to check late, hot, or lucky numbers, is not a winning system, it is a strategy.

Is good, though, after many months after my last visit, see that someone is still working on my clues. That's exactly what I hoped for, telling you that is possible to win, consistently. I understand that is not easy to connect all the dots, but is worthwhile.

Jerome, read with more attention my Q&A. My system can hold for more than 260 spins, and I never play a single number. At spin number 20 I have already played almost 200 numbers. Important is the ratio of the hit (1 out of 60) I get.

Jerome, At spin number 10 I already played 228 numbers, for an outstanding balance of 93 pieces. Yes, I need several hit to recover and be in profit, but as you can understand with the number I show is not so difficult to get, or too costly. For example at spin number 10 I know I need 4 hits in a short period, or five in a longer one. I assure you it is quite rare reach spin number 10 without any hit! When you hit, you play less numbers, and when you don't, the total numbers played tend to increase.

The apparent contradiction is easy to explain. I have been asked how many number without hitting I can sustain, and I showed that. In the vast majority of games I hit something, and this will change completely the total sum of number played, as my outstanding balance at that moment. If you read carefully you can see it quite easily from my basic explanation posted earlier. Impossible to recover? I need four hits, and several spin to obtain that, and after every hit I reduce my total bet so gaining more "time" to fill my 1/60 ratio. About what I select, I already wrote that I have a pattern that I follow, so to not be confused or distracted. My preferred pattern is following the last number, sometimes I use another pattern, because at the end it doesn't matter, as I already explained. Important is how many numbers following a fixed progression bet. That progression is the important part, or "the trap" as Jerome says...

What I want you to understand is my simple advice: You can not predict what number we will come out. Your only weapon against roulette is the money you put in and the way you do it, because is completely up to you. Cold numbers, hot numbers, closer to this or that, magical combinations are all stupid things, in my opinion. My progression is unique, and takes advantage of the only weakness the wheel has. Now I remember why I didn't checked this forum in a while...

Zero is a number with the exact possibility to be hit as the others, so if you plan to include it in your pattern of bets it is ok. I do not play more and more numbers if I don't finish the game in the firsts spins. It is true, though, that the total numbers played TEND to increase when I miss and TEND to decrease when I hit. My system is a combination of bet selection and progression. I pay no attention of what to play. I had very bad sequences (the longest I remember was first hit at 16th spin, with the profit at spin 27). I had shorter wait on first spin but an overall longest game to reach the profit, so really doesn't change. I do not want to go through my books to find the exact sequence, probably I already written it somewhere or to someone. The game is usually short, because of the large amount of numbers involved. Despite that, sometimes I play a considerable low amount of numbers, and if I hit in a strict sequence (let's say three in a row) my profit is quite large.

There is no situation that can me bet more than 24 numbers in a single spin. And yes, I guess it is very hard to catch the system without comprehending what's the source idea of it. You must be think in a original way how to recover your outstanding balance.

I will not explain the system, but I say to you there is one. For a smart, dedicated mind this is all that is needed.

Wow, is my English that bad? "at spin 10 I already played 228 numbers (with no hits whatsoever)"

"(usually, with some hits meanwhile) at spin 20 I already played almost 200 numbers"

I never play more than 24 numbers in a spin (24*10= 240, means that I play at maximum 24 numbers, so in ten spins I played 228 that brings easily the total below the maximum possible that I posted)

No wonder you can't find it, never in a million years.

I also said the my system can go as long as 260+ spins, not that I need to play that number of spins to reach my goal. Any game, as soon as it reaches the ratio 1 hit every 60 numbers played (roughly!) it is over with a profit. This profit is 1 piece or more, depends when I get the ratio. I count units, not dollars.

And I am done for now. Three days and you remembered me to avoid this forum.

Jerome, your post is exactly what I was hoping for, when I started post in here: make people work pursuing my HG. You are wrong, here and there, but really doesn't matter, you will find your way, eventually. The only advice I can give you is find the core idea of the system, the "revolutionary" one, otherwise other already should have found it. My system has a particular progression that allows me to win, and to find that progression your brain must have a click, and find what's really important. No matter how many indications and numbers I give you, or hints: without that you will not succeed. Keep trying, and be a-linear in your thinking. Try a never attempted road, be original. My best wishes.

Scepticus, you should read with more attentions. I said my system can sustain itself for more than 260 spins, but I also said that that never occured, not even close. The profit for each game is minimum of 1 piece. So, it is usually more. Is another information I gave previously. The vast majority of my game last very few spins, as any system with a quite large selection of numbers. The trick is recover when the game becomes longer. Jerome, I said that doesn't matter what number you choose, if the total number played is correct. Sure, if you want to keep your bankroll low, you need to play chances, dozens and so on and so forth. I play american roulette, with double zero (I now live in US), it is a little harder, but not really.

Jerome: I am from Italy, and I moved to US because I want my daughter to study here. She was very young when we moved, and Italy was in a very economical disaster. As I said, playing the european wheel changes a little but you don't really notice in an average game. I had a trace in my first two years or so, then I found it no more relevant. I know my progression, there is not much calculus to do, and so I stopped. I play on machine, so I just remember the count when I start the game. When I reach a bigger number, I know I am in profit (cannot be easier). I usually start with 300 units, so I just keep tracking of that (you get it, right? when the counter show 302, I start a new game). When reach 500 or so, I go eat or do something else, and then start again at 300. I have been scared at the beginning, because you always think the casinos have rigged games. Now time proved was a unjustified fear. When you have 8 people play at the same time, it is very hard find a number that make everyone lose. On the other hand, one day I had a guy close to me that was playing just number 14, with splits and street, and was playing big. He got the 14 hitting like 4 times in 7 spins, and walked away with 14000 dollars...

I don't play with $1 chips, as already said in other posts. I started with quarters, and took me time to have bankroll and confidence to go for more. I usually get 200 units a session, and I go for 2 or three session a day. Do the math.

Blue angel, you can call me Filippo, is my name. What is so special about my progression, or my system, is that is a winning one. My progression is nuclear science because I am the only one in this forum that got a bulletproof system. You can believe me or not, I don't care. I enjoy seeing your perspective on my situation, but I love much more mine! I don't chase losses since 2011, when I created this system. I lost and won before, with other systems I created, and a lot before any kind of system crossed my life. I don't need much hit to recover. My system allow me to play less numbers when I am close to profit, and more when I am moving away from it. That's the geniality of it. The average hit ratio is really on machine favor (1/60), so I don't need a very specific combination or luck to win. I have many spins, many possible combinations, an adjustable progression (I mean adaptable) to reach my goal. Your warnings, as I said before, were already old 4 years ago...

Almost forgot. I wrote posts about it only here. Any other forum or users with similar content are not me. And sometimes I regret even to have started this one...

No, dear Scepticus, is not a variation. As I stated in the post: "That is a system I used few years ago". In fact, I used the simple system for a short while, after that I managed to have a slightly better idea and the I had My HG. Maybe I already said that, but the HG didn't come to me complete. The original idea has been tweaked to reach his actual shape. I admit that at the beginning was hard to manage, because of the notes and calculus I had to perform while playing, then I was able to simplify it.

Jerome, be careful endorsing me. People here will start to think we are the same person supporting each other (for undisclosed reason, by the way).

I encourage people to find a way to their own HG, not to mimic mine. I don't think anyone can have exactly the same as the one I use, for many many reasons (and I don't give enough hints to grab it, but maybe someone can, who knows?). I just wished to tell people that who claims "HG doesn't exist" is plain wrong. Visual Ballistic, Statistics, Math geniuses, all scammers and liars that claim that, and try to sell you their system or method or "super advanced technology"... I am not one of them. I sell nothing, I am not interested (but I admit I was tempted some years ago, as I already said). I wish people double their efforts to find the HG knowing that someone has it (I am sure I am not the only one, I have meet people I believe they have a winning one in their hands... I guess already said that too). Jerome, hard to believe but your English is worst than mine, and sometimes I have hard time understanding you. Still, I hope you will find what you are looking for. It will not come to you in a full, complete, detailed scheme, but in bits and pieces. You will work on it till it reaches is complete form, and then you will know if is good or just not enough good. If the latter, start again with a new idea. I still try to improve mine (without success in the last 18 months or so, I think), to reduce bankroll or shorter games, and I will ever try no matter how good is now, and just because I cannot do otherwise. I don't know if this is helping you or not, but I felt I want to tell you all of this.

when I say selection is not important, I exactly mean that no matter what is your pattern, your way to choose the right number/area/color/section has no influence in the final outcome. When I started, I took 2000 spins I witnessed in a casino. I selected a pattern and I used my system (for a better understanding, let's say a used the number 1 as a pivotal point of my system). It worked. then I used a different pattern, and then another (let's say number 2, and then number 3... finally 36). In every occasion worked, even when a number, a split or a street skipped for two hundreds spins! Sometimes I profited more some other less, naturally, but at the end I was winning no matter what. I understand 2000 is not a huge number, but was the beginning and gave me enough confidence to try the system at a real casino. After that I had days, then weeks, then months and years of winnings, so every mathematicians speculations are meaningless to me (Einstein had a better project to work with, he didn't committed to the study of roulette, so he is not a very good reference...). I do not chase my losses, increasing my betting. My progression is unique, as I already said a dozen time, is not aggressive or mild, so your assumption that exist only two kind of progressions is really naive...

Now I am portrayed like a sociopath... Well, it's amusing. About the quote, I was clearly talking about the Simple system, and everyone less blind than Scepticus can easily read that. Jerome, for me a game end with a profit or is not over.

If I tell you my first two bets on my system I will not reveal anything, because the difference is the way I bet after not hitting in the first two spins. I will not give hints about the idea behind the progression (but some ideas in this forum are not that far to mine, though) and I don't care getting your approval. I really hope Jerome will work hard to find his way to it, and I will not gain anything from that, and he will have noone to thanks. That's how it works. Haters, shortminded, blamers will have all the time of their life to say and write whatever make them comfortable.

No, Jerome, what you wrote is not the only solution...As I already said, the selection is not important. If with a pattern of bets I would have win at the fifth spin, with another would have been at 7th. The average hit/number played is what I rely upon. 1/60 can be seen not enough, in a short term, but I play a lot of numbers for a lot of spins, so sooner or later I will get it, because "mathematically" the average will tend to be 1/38, am I wrong?

I can see that you all can't believe progression is enough to be a winner, that's why you are not (relatively speaking, I don't want to offend anyone). Is like when people could not believe that the earth was round just because was beyond their experience. I don't see my system go down the drain shortly, because I never been in years at a point in my progression that can be close to that. My system can hold for 260+, and never once I reached spin 80. In my past experience I saw systems go close to go broke and be saved at the very last moment, and that was just a premiere for the inevitable, that eventually came. With my system, at spin 60 I can be down less than twenty units, with a bunch of numbers to play, so no panic, no pain if something go wrong, like a broken machine... This is the difference. You immagine my system going up up up and me forced to put thousands of dollar on the table. Doesn't work this way. I do not rely on a single magical hit, a turn of luck. More spins, more closer to the average I will be. If I am on 1/75, how much units I have to recoup? Not many, I tell you. I am absolutely agree with BlueAngel, play 6 splits instead of a dozen makes no difference, except that you can use 1 unit instead of six...

For example playing 18 numbers in the first and second spin, then 24 from the 3rd to the 10th...

Jerome, glad you are still working on it! As I always stated, the progression is the real HG. And yes, is quite hard to get. It took me two decades, and I crashed in it I should say casually. I was frustrated by the fact that every progression goes higher and higher till they get unplayable, unsustainable. I realized the there is no point in thinking in a strict mathematical terms. Many Maths geniuses in the last centuries did try to face the problem, and they ditched the game as unbeatable. Many people here say the same. Mathematically speaking they are right, probably, but there is no need to limit oneself to any boundary, no matter how logic and consequential it is. I mean, it is normal if you think that your approach is the only that exists, find no answer to unresolved dilemmas in that area. Still, you have options to think in a different way, no matter which field you are working in. You need to find a new perspective, a new point of view, to that dilemma. I know what other thinks, that is exactly why they loose. Everything is impossible till someone prove it possible, after that moment for every one is crystal clear, "how could I be so blind?" As I said, I forgot about selection, I kept aside outcome. Statistically speaking, I should hit one number every 37 played (38 on American Wheel). Let's consider variance, because statistic works on big numbers, and I tried if I could sustain 1 hit every 40 numbers played, then 45, then 50... I stretched the idea till the maximum I could manage, and I find myself in the ratio 1/60, that is quite good, in my opinion. Probably I could stretch it a little more, but the game is already too slow sometimes that I can't really handle the boredom.

Probably I repeat myself, please be patient. If I play 370 numbers, adding several spins of course, I should have an average of 10 hits. It won't happen, we all know that. I don't need to hit 10 of them in order to gain a profit, just 6, and with not a huge bankroll. And with every hit I find myself in a better position, with less bankroll to recover. If you select a number, you can select just the one that will not show itself for 300 spins. It is hard but can happen. Will be a lot more unusual that after that the second number you select will go for other 300, and after that the third you play, and the forth, and so on and so forth. Mathematically can happen, but in your lifetime it won't. Some of them you will hit in the first three/four spins. So, my idea is just rely on that consideration, keeping my outstanding balance low enough to not get crazy, and playing for enough spins to let the variance work a little in my favor. If the table close or broke (happens in the soft air wheels) I play in another table as I was keep playing in the previous one, because nothing really changes (remember, I don't care about numbers). The few times I had to stop playing I didn't follow this rule but I started a game as a new one, keeping track of "what if", and all the time I recovered from the previous situation ending in a profit. Why I didn't? I don't know, exactly. I always preferred to take that loss and start with a fresh game, probably as an habit, and probably because the loss wasn't that high. I am an emotive player, I know that and I know myself. I don't want to make mistakes because I am nervous. Sometimes it happens, sometimes you bet the wrong numbers, and that mistake 90% of the time has no consequences. Sometimes it helps you, because you wrongly play the 33 instead of 36, and you hit. Sometimes is all the way around. In the latter case I consider that as a no-hit and I keep playing, game became a little longer and that's it.This is a dump of all of Dr. Talos' posts; The Talos_Canon, if you will. From reading his posts I know that he is very much like a criminal (no offense intended) who subconsciously wishes to get caught; i.e. he actually wishes that someone will discover his system but is unwilling to simply "give up", that is, disclose it directly. The reason for this is quite noble, he wishes to protect his family from the casinos. You can watch him starting out slow and very general but by the end he is throwing massive clue bombs for us to pick up.

In order to satisfy his subconscious longing, we need to discover his system from the clues he has left us. There is quite a bit of data to sort through and many direct conclusions can be made. I will post what I discover below.

I studied a lot of math. Roulette is not a probabilties game (you play too few shots for the rules of chances to be involved). It is just math, plain and simple.

I encourage you to go back in matemathics and forget "hot" and "cold" numbers, or sectors, and handle just the money you got as a bankroll. That is the key.

CANON 2

My system gains 0,25 a shot on average [I said, on average I gain 0.25 per spin, that means that in 4 spins I gain one unit.], the bankroll needed is a lot less then 1000 units, and the longest game has been around 90 spins (I do my calculation without writing down outcomes, so cannot be accurate on that). The average game lasts five spins.

CANON 3

I do use a progression, not as painful and aggressive like Martingale, but not everytime one hit close the game.

CANON 4

As I said, "Martingale" is a winning system that defeats the house edge. Unfortunately, is unplayable... So, the task is to create a playable Martingale. Many tried: we have Reverse Martingale, Fibonacci, and so on. This is the path.

CANON 5

Allows me to introduce you to a concept important: what you need is a practical solution, not a perfect solution. This way, theoretically unsolvable problem can be solved.

CANON 6

I cannot accept a system with a stop-loss criteria. A perfect system must have some qualities in its structure, like easy to manage, no deep calculation needed, a reasonable bankroll, and a general good gameplay, with no choices to be made during the game.

CANON 7

Every system who promises you to get more than the mere nominal chip is always a mirage. Sooner or later will put you upside down.

CANON 8

I always say that there is no reason in selecting numbers to play, or special combination that works as triggers (wait three blacks, then...) this is nonsense. If a system works, must do it with any random number you chose to bet.

CANON 9

Previous outcomes has not business in future outcomes. You know that. You have only one road to follow in order to win: betting amount. The "perfect system" is the martingale, but unfortunately is impossible to play. Once you create a suitable martingale, you have your Holy Grail. The trick is a "playable Martingale". I keep saying that, I know I am boring.

CANON 10

Now, I completely abandoned selections of numbers to play, and I worked just with Progression. This system can be used selecting twins or streets instead of straight numbers, works quite in the same way.

CANON 11

You need a system that not relays on a magical winning combination. If you need your number to be hit, you are wandering in a deep dark wood. What I meant is that your system (in order to be HG) must win no matter the sequence of numbers the wheel sorts out. Let me clarify for you one more time. Suppose I am playingred with my progression. I win. Then, with the same outcomes, same list of numbers, I play black. The system must win as well, otherwise is not trustfully. That my point.

CANON 12

This is why I wrote that the recovery sometimes can be a relatively slow process, but overall the system end up winning (one unit).

CANON 13

I figure out a progression that last equivalent of 249 spins with a need for a single hit to be victorious, and the bankroll required of 355 units. As each and every system I like, gains merely one unit a game, but the majority of games last few spins, so I asked For some math. [NOTE THIS IS TALOS APPLYING HIS UNIQUE PROGRESSION TO A NEW SYSTEM]

I see grossly 600 spins, gaining around 1500/1800 $ a day. My systems total bankroll is 950 units (never been close to that. The worst game touched a 590 units).

CANON 15

I do my simple math in my mind, and I use a clicker to keep track of the number of spins occurred.

CANON 16

In this game you see two possible roads to follow: predict numbers outcome and betting strategy. Has been clear to me, after first ten years, that there is no way to predict anything. Numerology, wizardry, statistic are not helpful. I have seen a number hit 5 times in a row, and another one disappear for 478 spins. Red hit for 28 spins to get interrupted by a 0 then hit for more 14 spins... So, my first decision has been take out all this BS.

CANON 17

Some math geniouses (well, probably not as good as some people in here, though) approached the wheel and they surrended, so a full mathematical approach seems unlogical to pursue.

CANON 18

I easy get emotional, so I couldn't accept a system too demanding in terms of high betting or huge bankroll. I couldn't see myself putting like 300 units on a spin wheel. I get no confort thinking that I have 90% of chance to hit... So my systems always started with an expected balance of 2/300. I knew that developing the system I will find a need to multiply that. If I start higher, I will end near the impractical.

CANON 17

After many years, putting toghether all this crumbs of experience, I figure out a way to manage progression in a bizarre way (by the way, a last advice. Because so many work and worked to find HG, a system too easy to plan, like betting the last sector, or add 1 when you hit, must be discarded right away. Other already tried that!).

CANON 18

If your system win big, will lose big. If your system win one unit, you just have to figure out a way to recover from a very small amount in the bad streak. This is important.

CANON 19

In my opinion is not good to relay on a single event in order to to win. This single event could not happen for a very long time.

CANON 20

I do not play even chances.

CANON 21

So... Checking outcomes to identify a biased or fallacious wheel, then look at the ball spinning around the wheel to identify a sector where it will most likely end its run, it is called science. On the other hand, waiting for a situation to occur, a situation that statistically happens one time every two spins, and studying a progression that allows you to wait 20 spins to hit, it is called luck.

CANON 22

People here do experiments trying to find a result, working with numbers, progressions, deduction and such. More are closer than they think, actually, but the last step is the hardest, it is said.

CANON 23

I don't wait for any sleepers or missing numbers. I start playing without any observation whatsoever, as soon as I reach the casino. I don't think someone can predict outcomes, so I work just with progression.

CANON 24

97% of games ends in the first 14 spins, and almost 70% in first fives. Usually I do not need to put more than 300$ dollar for every session.

CANON 25

For my system to work, I need that I hit a number every 60 numbers played (means I don't have the same amount of numbers to play at every spin). I have 256 spins to pursue that average. When the ratio 1/60 his reached, my system is in profit.

CANON 26

Some users of this site asked me privately and politely informations about my system, and they get some. Not enough to solve the riddle (unless they are smart, devoted and analyze every hint I gave them) but something to work with.

How much bankroll do you need? In theory, 1400 units. In my experience never gone even close to that. My record is around 450. But It is good to have some margins.

How many numbers you bet? Depends. Changes during the game.

Did the game ends with the first hit? Only if hits in the firsts spins. Sometimes I need 2 hits, sometimes five…

What the average profit? Each and every game ends with a profit from 1 to 9 units. The average profit, because games can last 1 spin while other 30 or so, is around .30

Do you need a “magical” combination in order to win? Not at all. All is needed is that I hit an average of 1 every 60 numbers played (or better). As soon as this threshold is reached, the game is won. Has happen I had to wait more than 180 numbers played before the first hit, then in the next 15 spins or so, with three more hit, the game was over.

How you choose numbers to play? I use a system to avoid any mistake, and to fasten the game. There is no a better pattern or a best or worst choice, the important is the total numbers played, in the way the system asks for.

How many spins your system stands? It can go almost 260 spins. The longest game I experienced is 73 spins, and the second worst around 50. The average game last 4 spins. During the day 80% of games are from 1 spins to 12.

Do you sell it? No, I don’t.

Why? Because I don’t want to. I make enough money with it to be satisfied, and if I had to put a price tag, that should be quite high.

Are calculations complicated? Not really. In the vast majority of games I can compute mentally, using a clicker to keep track of spins. When the game becomes longer, let say more than 20 spins, you should keep track of balance, but is not complicated at all.

Do you cheat the wheel? No, in any way. I use math.

So, what’s the philosophy of the system? I think progression is the key. I don’t think there is a way to predict what numbers will be next, or sector or street or… Past spins have no influence, the dealer have not, the cabalistic aspect of numbers… BS. Even statistic has no matter in few spins, because it works on large amount of numbers.

How you found it? I tried and tried tons of systems, changing approach every time that I felt stuck and cannot improve further what I had. I guess I have been lucky finding an unusual way to build a progression. As a matter of fact, I never seen a progression even close as the one I use.

Why you are not rich? In an average day, you can play 8/10 hours, with frequent stops. Most of all, because looking at a wheel is boring (I usually browse the internet meanwhile, because you don’t need much attention in the first 10 spins, or chatting or using Facebook etc. etc.). The airball machine, that is faster than live roulette (close to 1 spin every fifty seconds) allows me to profit 30/40 units hr. I play with 3$ chips, so my day ends when I get 1000$. That goes two/three days a week. With a 3$ unit chip, for 1400 bankroll needed, I bring with me 4500$. My plan is move to 5$ then 10$, so to reach a profit of 3000$ a day, or 6000$ a week, or 24000$ a month, “working” only two days a week. Last year, for example, I played for long sessions of 12 and 14 days in a row, in Atlantic City and Las Vegas. Not a pleasureful experience, except for money. Back to math. To became rich you should play something like 4 days a week, with a 20$ units, so you have to bring 30000$ cash in the casino (go figure) and maybe redeem 10000$ over and over… You get noticed, not only by casino’s employees: thieves, gold diggers, people in needs, other gamblers… I don’t want that!

Are you the only winner? I don’t think so. I played in hundreds places, from US to Australia, from Norway to Spain, on cruise ships and so on, and I met at least other two guys that seemed to have a good system. You can say this because they didn’t celebrate huge winnings, they were very focused on the game, and I “recognized” my same behaviors (no rewards cards, no chatting with others, no emotional display of any sort).

Did you ever lost? Three times. Once I had to go to the bathroom because of oysters… yeah, enjoy the buffet, they say. Another was because they had to clean the area where the roulette was located. They gave me a warning of three spins then they closed the machine. I was out of like 20 units, so not a big deal. Third, and most painful, in the middle of a long game, I was out around 150 units, and my sister called me at the phone. My mother was no more, and I left without caring of the systems or the money.

Do you play online? No. I think it is too easy to rig results, and secondarily I don’t want to be noticed. I change often casinos, and I cannot stick to an online one.

Did you ever told someone the system. I wrote the system for my family, if something happens to me. Unfortunately my daughter is too young to learn it, and my wife cannot grab it. I had sometimes the temptation, for vanity or because someone needed so badly, but I refrained myself. I thought to teach it to my brother, so he could protect my family if something unexpected happens to me. This is my biggest concern. I am not in a good relationship with him, and I do not trust him 100%, and I don’t think he got the right attitude to play the system at the casino, because lacks of discipline.

Something more to add? I’m just a nickname on a monitor, and people reading it are nicknames too. I don’t want to impress females just to bring them to me, so there is no use to fake something. I don’t care if people believes it or not. I have been called liar and attention seeker, dreamer or scammer. I get sad reading these statements, because they do not understand my position, and moreover they reveal their short sight. Unfortunately my English is not good enough to express myself completely, and I am sure I made a lot of mistakes here, but I hope someone will be encouraged to find his own way to his HG.

I play different amounts of numbers as the game progress. Playing one number? I have been already dead for boredom... Moreover, I said that vast majority of games ends in few spins, and this cannot be with a single number bet.

CANON 29

I moved recently from 1$ chips to 3$ chips because I reached one of my planned benchmarks (100.000 real spins).

CANON 30

I have a way to select what to bet, in order to avoid confusion or indecision. If system tell me to play a couple of dozens (for example, is not the way how it works...) I have a pattern to chose which dozens are to use. What you choose doesn't affect the final result, as long as you bet two dozens! This "pattern" helped me testing the system without tweaking results. I tried different patterns with the same spin outcomes, and worked exactly the same. A winning system must work in every situation, or is not a winning system. If you need to check late, hot, or lucky numbers, is not a winning system, it is a strategy.

CANON 31

My system can hold for more than 260 spins, and I never play a single number. At spin number 20 I have already played almost 200 numbers (usually, with some hits meanwhile). Important is the ratio of the hit (1 out of 60) I get.

CANON 32

At spin number 10 I already played 228 numbers (with no hits whatsoever), for an outstanding balance of 93 pieces. Yes, I need several hit to recover and be in profit, but as you can understand with the number I show is not so difficult to get, or too costly. For example at spin number 10 I know I need 4 hits in a short period, or five in a longer one. I assure you it is quite rare reach spin number 10 without any hit! When you hit, you play less numbers, and when you don't, the total numbers played tend to increase.

CANON 33

I have been asked how many number without hitting I can sustain, and I showed that. In the vast majority of games I hit something, and this will change completely the total sum of number played, as my outstanding balance at that moment.

CANON 34

Impossible to recover? I need four hits, and several spin to obtain that, and after every hit I reduce my total bet so gaining more "time" to fill my 1/60 ratio.

CANON 35

About what I select, I already wrote that I have a pattern that I follow, so to not be confused or distracted. My preferred pattern is following the last number, sometimes I use another pattern, because at the end it doesn't matter, as I already explained. Important is how many numbers following a fixed progression bet. That progression is the important part, or "the trap" as Jerome says...

CANON 36

What I want you to understand is my simple advice: You can not predict what number we will come out. Your only weapon against roulette is the money you put in and the way you do it, because is completely up to you. Cold numbers, hot numbers, closer to this or that, magical combinations are all stupid things, in my opinion.My progression is unique, and takes advantage of the only weakness the wheel has.

CANON 37

I do not play more and more numbers if I don't finish the game in the firsts spins. It is true, though, that the total numbers played TEND to increase when I miss and TEND to decrease when I hit. My system is a combination of bet selection and progression. I pay no attention of what to play.

CANON 38

I had very bad sequences (the longest I remember was first hit at 16th spin, with the profit at spin 27). I had shorter wait on first spin but an overall longest game to reach the profit, so really doesn't change.

CANON 39

The game is usually short, because of the large amount of numbers involved. Despite that, sometimes I play a considerable low amount of numbers, and if I hit in a strict sequence (let's say three in a row) my profit is quite large.

CANON 40

There is no situation that can me bet more than 24 numbers in a single spin. And yes, I guess it is very hard to catch the system without comprehending what's the source idea of it. You must be think in a original way how to recover your outstanding balance.

CANON 41

I never play more than 24 numbers in a spin (24*10= 240, means that I play at maximum 24 numbers, so in ten spins I played 228 that brings easily the total below the maximum possible that I posted)

CANON 42

I also said the my system can go as long as 260+ spins, not that I need to play that number of spins to reach my goal. Any game, as soon as it reaches the ratio 1 hit every 60 numbers played (roughly!) it is over with a profit. This profit is 1 piece or more, depends when I get the ratio. I count units, not dollars.

CANON 43

The only advice I can give you is find the core idea of the system, the "revolutionary" one, otherwise other already should have found it. My system has a particular progression that allows me to win, and to find that progression your brain must have a click, and find what's really important. No matter how many indications and numbers I give you, or hints: without that you will not succeed. Keep trying, and be a-linear in your thinking. Try a never attempted road, be original.

CANON 44

The vast majority of my game last very few spins, as any system with a quite large selection of numbers. The trick is recover when the game becomes longer. Jerome, I said that doesn't matter what number you choose, if the total number played is correct.

CANON 45

I usually start with 300 units, so I just keep tracking of that (you get it, right? when the counter show 302, I start a new game).

CANON 46

I don't need much hit to recover. My system allow me to play less numbers when I am close to profit, and more when I am moving away from it. That's the geniality of it. The average hit ratio is really on machine favor (1/60), so I don't need a very specific combination or luck to win. I have many spins, many possible combinations, an adjustable progression (I mean adaptable) to reach my goal.

Maybe I already said that, but the HG didn't come to me complete. The original idea has been tweaked to reach his actual shape. I admit that at the beginning was hard to manage, because of the notes and calculus I had to perform while playing, then I was able to simplify it.

CANON 48

When I started, I took 2000 spins I witnessed in a casino. I selected a pattern and I used my system (for a better understanding, let's say a used the number 1 as a pivotal point of my system). It worked. then I used a different pattern, and then another (let's say number 2, and then number 3... finally 36). In every occasion worked, even when a number, a split or a street skipped for two hundreds spins! Sometimes I profited more some other less, naturally, but at the end I was winning no matter what.

CANON 49

I do not chase my losses, increasing my betting. My progression is unique, as I already said a dozen time, is not aggressive or mild

CANON 50

Jerome, for me a game end with a profit or is not over.

CANON 51

If I tell you my first two bets on my system I will not reveal anything, because the difference is the way I bet after not hitting in the first two spins. I will not give hints about the idea behind the progression (but some ideas in this forum are not that far to mine, though)

CANON 52

As I already said, the selection is not important. If with a pattern of bets I would have win at the fifth spin, with another would have been at 7th. The average hit/number played is what I rely upon. 1/60 can be seen not enough, in a short term, but I play a lot of numbers for a lot of spins, so sooner or later I will get it, because "mathematically" the average will tend to be 1/38, am I wrong?

CANON 53

My system can hold for 260+, and never once I reached spin 80. With my system, at spin 60 I can be down less than twenty units, with a bunch of numbers to play, so no panic, no pain if something go wrong, like a broken machine... You immagine my system going up up up and me forced to put thousands of dollar on the table. Doesn't work this way. I do not rely on a single magical hit, a turn of luck. More spins, more closer to the average I will be. If I am on 1/75, how much units I have to recoup? Not many, I tell you.

CANON 54

For example playing 18 numbers in the first and second spin, then 24 from the 3rd to the 10th...

CANON 55

As I always stated, the progression is the real HG. And yes, is quite hard to get. It took me two decades, and I crashed in it I should say casually. I was frustrated by the fact that every progression goes higher and higher till they get unplayable, unsustainable.

CANON 56

I realized the there is no point in thinking in a strict mathematical terms. Many Maths geniuses in the last centuries did try to face the problem, and they ditched the game as unbeatable. Many people here say the same. Mathematically speaking they are right, probably, but there is no need to limit oneself to any boundary, no matter how logic and consequential it is. You need to find a new perspective, a new point of view, to that dilemma. I know what other thinks, that is exactly why they lose.

CANON 57

As I said, I forgot about selection, I kept aside outcome. Statistically speaking, I should hit one number every 37 played (38 on American Wheel). Let's consider variance, because statistic works on big numbers, and I tried if I could sustain 1 hit every 40 numbers played, then 45, then 50... I stretched the idea till the maximum I could manage, and I find myself in the ratio 1/60, that is quite good, in my opinion.

CANON 58

Probably I repeat myself, please be patient. If I play 370 numbers, adding several spins of course, I should have an average of 10 hits. It won't happen, we all know that. I don't need to hit 10 of them in order to gain a profit, just 6, and with not a huge bankroll. And with every hit I find myself in a better position, with less bankroll to recover.

CANON 59

If you select a number, you can select just the one that will not show itself for 300 spins. It is hard but can happen. Will be a lot more unusual that after that the second number you select will go for other 300, and after that the third you play, and the forth, and so on and so forth. Mathematically can happen, but in your lifetime it won't. Some of them you will hit in the first three/four spins. So, my idea is just rely on that consideration, keeping my outstanding balance low enough to not get crazy, and playing for enough spins to let the variance work a little in my favor. If the table close or broke (happens in the soft air wheels) I play in another table as I was keep playing in the previous one, because nothing really changes (remember, I don't care about numbers).

For my system to work, I need that I hit a number every 60 numbers played (means I don't have the same amount of numbers to play at every spin). I have 256 spins to pursue that average. When the ratio 1/60 his reached, my system is in profit.

CANON 31

My system can hold for more than 260 spins, and I never play a single number. At spin number 20 I have already played almost 200 numbers (usually, with some hits meanwhile). Important is the ratio of the hit (1 out of 60) I get.

CANON 32

At spin number 10 I already played 228 numbers (with no hits whatsoever), for an outstanding balance of 93 pieces. Yes, I need several hit to recover and be in profit, but as you can understand with the number I show is not so difficult to get, or too costly. For example at spin number 10 I know I need 4 hits in a short period, or five in a longer one. I assure you it is quite rare reach spin number 10 without any hit! When you hit, you play less numbers, and when you don't, the total numbers played tend to increase.

CANON 33

I have been asked how many number without hitting I can sustain, and I showed that. In the vast majority of games I hit something, and this will change completely the total sum of number played, as my outstanding balance at that moment.

CANON 34

Impossible to recover? I need four hits, and several spin to obtain that, and after every hit I reduce my total bet so gaining more "time" to fill my 1/60 ratio.

CANON 35

About what I select, I already wrote that I have a pattern that I follow, so to not be confused or distracted. My preferred pattern is following the last number, sometimes I use another pattern, because at the end it doesn't matter, as I already explained. Important is how many numbers following a fixed progression bet. That progression is the important part, or "the trap" as Jerome says...

CANON 37

I do not play more and more numbers if I don't finish the game in the firsts spins. It is true, though, that the total numbers played TEND to increase when I miss and TEND to decrease when I hit. My system is a combination of bet selection [TOTAL NUMBER OF BETS MADE S/U] and progression. I pay no attention of what to play.

CANON 38

I had very bad sequences (the longest I remember was first hit at 16th spin, with the profit at spin 27). I had shorter wait on first spin but an overall longest game to reach the profit, so really doesn't change.

CANON 39

The game is usually short, because of the large amount of numbers involved. Despite that, sometimes I play a considerable low amount of numbers, and if I hit in a strict sequence (let's say three in a row) my profit is quite large.

CANON 40

There is no situation that can me bet more than 24 numbers in a single spin. And yes, I guess it is very hard to catch the system without comprehending what's the source idea of it. You must be think in a original way how to recover your outstanding balance.

CANON 41

I never play more than 24 numbers in a spin (24*10= 240, means that I play at maximum 24 numbers, so in ten spins I played 228 that brings easily the total below the maximum possible that I posted)

CANON 43

The only advice I can give you is find the core idea of the system, the "revolutionary" one, otherwise other already should have found it. My system has a particular progression that allows me to win, and to find that progression your brain must have a click, and find what's really important. No matter how many indications and numbers I give you, or hints: without that you will not succeed. Keep trying, and be a-linear in your thinking. Try a never attempted road, be original.

CANON 44

The vast majority of my game last very few spins, as any system with a quite large selection of numbers. The trick is recover when the game becomes longer. Jerome, I said that doesn't matter what number you choose, if the total number played is correct.

CANON 45

I usually start with 300 units, so I just keep tracking of that (you get it, right? when the counter show 302, I start a new game).

CANON 46

I don't need much hit to recover. My system allow me to play less numbers when I am close to profit, and more when I am moving away from it. That's the geniality of it. The average hit ratio is really on machine favor (1/60), so I don't need a very specific combination or luck to win. I have many spins, many possible combinations, an adjustable progression (I mean adaptable) to reach my goal.

CANON 47

Maybe I already said that, but the HG didn't come to me complete. The original idea has been tweaked to reach his actual shape. I admit that at the beginning was hard to manage, because of the notes and calculus I had to perform while playing, then I was able to simplify it.

CANON 51

If I tell you my first two bets on my system I will not reveal anything, because the difference is the way I bet after not hitting in the first two spins. I will not give hints about the idea behind the progression (but some ideas in this forum are not that far to mine, though)CANON 52

As I already said, the selection is not important. If with a pattern of bets I would have win at the fifth spin, with another would have been at 7th. The average hit/number played is what I rely upon. 1/60 can be seen not enough, in a short term, but I play a lot of numbers for a lot of spins, so sooner or later I will get it, because "mathematically" the average will tend to be 1/38, am I wrong?

CANON 53

My system can hold for 260+, and never once I reached spin 80. With my system, at spin 60 I can be down less than twenty units, with a bunch of numbers to play, so no panic, no pain if something go wrong, like a broken machine... You immagine my system going up up up and me forced to put thousands of dollar on the table. Doesn't work this way. I do not rely on a single magical hit, a turn of luck. More spins, more closer to the average I will be. If I am on 1/75, how much units I have to recoup? Not many, I tell you.

CANON 54

For example playing 18 numbers in the first and second spin, then 24 from the 3rd to the 10th...

CANON 55

As I always stated, the progression is the real HG. And yes, is quite hard to get. It took me two decades, and I crashed in it I should say casually. I was frustrated by the fact that every progression goes higher and higher till they get unplayable, unsustainable.

CANON 58

Probably I repeat myself, please be patient. If I play 370 numbers, adding several spins of course, I should have an average of 10 hits. It won't happen, we all know that. I don't need to hit 10 of them in order to gain a profit, just 6, and with not a huge bankroll. And with every hit I find myself in a better position, with less bankroll to recover.