Brother. Point was he was better than whatever that fucking Aussie's name is without having to try. Born into it, not cheating life to get it. Tell that one guy that he's a fucking idiot. Close thread. Pay me.

The movie kind of thematically falls apart if it's a clone. It also doesn't make sense within the history of the movie, as the cloning wasn't discovered until way after the earliest evidence of the "brother's" existence.

The movie kind of thematically falls apart if it's a clone. It also doesn't make sense within the history of the movie, as the cloning wasn't discovered until way after the earliest evidence of the "brother's" existence.

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he basically believes that Borden went to Tesla before the movie even started and got cloned. this is the only way he can rectify the idea with all the facts of the movie.

but not only does it not even matter at that point, but there's literally nothing in the movie to support this idea.

The technology to create clones was basically created for Jackman's character...so what is the thinking here, that randomly simultaneously somewhere else in the world Bale made the exact same radical scientific breakthrough?

The movie kind of thematically falls apart if it's a clone. It also doesn't make sense within the history of the movie, as the cloning wasn't discovered until way after the earliest evidence of the "brother's" existence.

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he basically believes that Borden went to Tesla before the movie even started and got cloned. this is the only way he can rectify the idea with all the facts of the movie.

but not only does it not even matter at that point, but there's literally nothing in the movie to support this idea.

my friends are dumb as fuck

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Talking about the theme though, not the plot, it doesn't make any sense. The whole point of the movie is that the two characters represent different forces. Bale's character is a natural, controlled, trained force. Jackman's character is a chaotic, desperate force. He drove technology to achieve unnatural things: clones. If Bale's character also made clones, the entire movie is pointless.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

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this is copied from that other thread we had about this i believe, and its exactly what started the debate between us. he still doesnt buy it.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

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this is copied from that other thread we had about this i believe, and its exactly what started the debate between us. he still doesnt buy it.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

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this is copied from that other thread we had about this i believe, and its exactly what started the debate between us. he still doesnt buy it.

Borden was a twin; not a clone. When Jackman's wife was tied and dunked, and subsequently drowned, Jackman asked Bale (Borden) what knot he used. Borden said he didn't know. Jackman got irate and asked how he couldn't know. The reason Borden didn't know was because the other twin tied the knot. At that point, Borden was only a stagehand, not a magician on his own. He had not met Tesla yet, thus, no "clone" could have been made yet.

The reason Borden knew Tesla was because Borden went to Tesla to dress up his disappearing man act by buying one of his machines. What he bought was set dressing. Jackman bought the real thing. Truthfully, Tesla probably created exactly what each man asked for... Borden wanted a fancy gadget to dress up his set, so Tesla made it. Jackman went to Tesla and asked for the transported man machine, and Tesla (desperate for money) never told him that what he made for Borden wasn't real, so he took Jackman's money and worked to make the machine. If Tesla had made the same machine for Borden and Borden made a clone, first Tesla wouldn't have had such trouble making Jackman's machine (he'd have already made one and known how to make another), and second, Tesla would have known to look for the hats and cats in the yard having already cloned Borden... He'd have known that the machine made clones, not transported men, so he would have known to look for duplicates of what he was zapping.

The most important proof that Borden had a twin, not a clone, was when Jackman buried Borden's "protector" (Fallon? was that his name?) who we learn is the twin. If Fallon was just a clone, he would have been replaceable, and Borden wouldn't have gotten as upset as he did when Fallon was buried alive.

Another hint that Borden was a twin was when Borden first met Sara at the magic show, the little boy started crying. When Borden showed the boy the bird, the boy cried for the original bird, asking "But where's his brother? His brother is dead!" and Borden replied that the little boy was very perceptive. That was foreshadowing to the whole movie, as the whole movie was basically that bird in the cage act... One bird (brother) is killed so as to deliver The Prestige.

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this is copied from that other thread we had about this i believe, and its exactly what started the debate between us. he still doesnt buy it.