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Modern bullet technology has basically made .40 a cartridge without much purpose. 9mm HST/Gold Dot/Critical Duty gives up almost nothing to .40 versions of the same cartridges in terminal performance, but gains significant magazine capacity, and is easier to shoot well due to its lower recoil impulse.

IMO .40 is only truly useful for USPSA Limited division, and there only if you're willing to trade mag capacity for major power factor scoring.

I think those factors have severely limited .40's appeal in the current market, and probably for the foreseeable future.

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i work for Shoot Straight, & was selling these guns for $339. We sometimes buy an entire police department’s inventory of guns. Lately they’ve been 40 cal S&W’s. They are getting rid of them, & we are not selling many, even with the great prices. 40’s just aren’t moving now. And there is never a shortage of 40 ammo at Wally World. GARY.

I looked at Shoot Straight when I was looking for a P99c in 9mm. That's a perfect example, they list the P99c but it's in .40 cal. and it's only $299.00 now!! The 9mm is $599.00 and it's out of stock! I looked at all the major distributers and they all say out of stock on the 9mm. Your best bet is to constantly scour Armslist or Gunbroker, or set up alerts. Wow if you wanted one in .40 cal. Shoot Straight is the place to get one! I don't think I've ever seen a P99c for only $299.00, even used ones.

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But the problem is sellers will be basing the used price off the previous new price of $479. So maybe $400 used, when they were $339 new? I do believe our company approached Walther, & bought every P99[c] they had left. Needless to say, I purchased a 9mm C the day they hit the stores for $339. Still my daily carry. GARY

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I got mine for $532.88 out of the door (no transfer fee or shipping cost, but 8.25% sales tax) from Grab a Gun in February of 2017 and considered it a bargain. (Full sized 99s and the MR9 weren't available at the time)

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The Shoot Straight store in Sarasota sold the last P99C AS in 9mm tonight for $329. They sold a used one last week for $250. The used P99Cs haven't really started to show up yet but when/if they do they'll be around that price.

There is something about the P99 that makes it a tough sell especially for new buyers. I think it just confuses them. Walther's loss is sure our gain that's for sure. Personally I don't buy a lot of new guns and when I do it's at deep employee discounts. The P99C is the best deal I've ever gotten on a BNIB gun.

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I hope you are right for the ones that missed out on the new ones.
I do feel some remorse for the people who paid too much for theirs.
I waited for the price to drop on the full size $440 and the the price st Shoot Straight for my compact.

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I just snagged a couple new 10 round mags for my P99c at a good price from manventure outpost. My flush mag was under $24 and the the pinky rest version was under $31. You need to put in the Walther part numbers to pull up the right prices.

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They're effectively identical in terms of reliability, accuracy, etc. The only meaningful difference is that the P99 is DA/SA and the PPQ is SAO. (The SA trigger mechanisms are as near to identical as makes no difference.) Everything else apart from the difference in grip texture is cosmetic. If you prefer DA/SA, the P99 is for you; if you don't, it's not.

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WTF??? I work for them at guns shows, & just sold a used 9mm C for $300 last week. If you've been following this post, you should have said "but they're $339 new". You are allowed to bargain. It's part of the "game". GARY

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Yeah, that sounds like me <img src="http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
I did get my dream gun still, didn't I. Something's not even on gunbroker and so on.

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WTF??? I work for them at guns shows, & just sold a used 9mm C for $300 last week. If you've been following this post, you should have said "but they're $339 new". You are allowed to bargain. It's part of the "game". GARY

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Modern bullet technology has basically made .40 a cartridge without much purpose. 9mm HST/Gold Dot/Critical Duty gives up almost nothing to .40 versions of the same cartridges in terminal performance, but gains significant magazine capacity, and is easier to shoot well due to its lower recoil impulse.

IMO .40 is only truly useful for USPSA Limited division, and there only if you're willing to trade mag capacity for major power factor scoring.

I think those factors have severely limited .40's appeal in the current market, and probably for the foreseeable future.

This is now the Conventional Wisdom, but I am skeptical of its truth. Why doesn't "modern bullet technology" apply across the board to the .40 as well?

I suspect the underlying reason that police departments are trending back to 9mm is the same reason they adopted it in the first place, for "firepower" (i.e., magazine capacity), coupled with "range officer wisdom" that some cadets are easier to train and qualify with 9mm.

I might be completely old-fashioned about this, but I believe it is indisputable that the .40 hits harder and --bullet for bullet--does more damage. I'm not interested in sparking a Caliber War here, but speaking only for myself the .40 is my only acceptable substitute for a .45 --the latter being my daily preference for social purposes.

WWII demonstrated that 9mm Para FMJ was at best a marginal stopper, and while I accept that "modern bullet technology" elevates it to an effective anti-personnel caliber, nobody ever accused .45 FMJ of being undernourished.

As far as I'm aware, it does, but the performance delta from FMJ-->older HP designs-->modern HP designs is the largest with 9mm. .40 is acknowledged to be better through auto glass, car doors, etc, and all else being equal, a bigger bullet is better, but .40 and .45 undeniably have more recoil and lower mag capacity, and in my mind, at least, 9mm currently offers the best compromise.

Also, when an acknowledged expert in the field of wound ballistics says 9mm is good enough, I'm willing to take his word on it:

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