LordJiro:The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

The airforce would prefer that it be seen as a UFO crash rather than a top secret military aircraft that crashed.And if that means feeding the FBI even more interesting BS to the people who pretty quickly figured out it wasn't a weather balloon and let them chase their tails looking like morons then.But it wouldn't have worked without the generral public.

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

I'm assuming it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photostat of a photostat of a photograph.

Somaticasual:TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

I'm assuming it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photostat of a photostat of a photograph.

Well.... either that or some hipster in the 1940s had access to Instagram.

BSABSVR:Somaticasual: TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

But, ReapTheChaos, don't you know why? It's because this is an n-th generation photocopy of a highly classified photograph that was smuggled out at the cost of god knows how many lives. Try to be a little more respectful. Jeez.

Electromax:ThrobblefootSpectre: Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.

Flippant example aside, he has a point. Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see? And what does that make them? Top Secret Actual President?

What were they? A series of invisible ink chemical formulas used by spies circa World War I including how to detect the inks in question, now declassified as they are considered obsolete as espionage techniques.

meyerkev:There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide. Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.

I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.

reimanr06:Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?

Legally, no. There's no legal grounds for that.

Practically, it's been done. Remember that scandal that came out last week about LBJ finding out that Nixon had thrown the Paris Peace Negotiations in '68 and kept the Vietnam War ongoing for his own political gain? LBJ had that stamped Top Secret. . .then didn't turn it over when he left office and the files were kept privately (and illicitly). LBJ had them stored in his Presidential Library, where they were only just last week declassified. Something he classified but kept from later Presidents. Technically not legal, but since LBJ has been dead for 40+ years its kind of moot.

It's the same thing as a retiring employee taking their files with them when they leave, even if they are company property. Not SUPPOSED to do that, there's no legal or regulatory grounds for it, but can you really stop him?

iirc, this picture is from a Japanese wax museum or something, about the Roswell crash. Zipper is also a big giveaway. But that's not to say alien visitation isn't real.

Although, i think at this point, the majority who don't yet accept the reality are just being willfully ignorant because it doesn't fit with their world view. Or being even more ignorant and waiting for it to be widely accepted before they accept it themselves. There's copious amounts of evidence out there already, which has turned many a skeptic into a believer when they start looking into it. The two groups i've already mentioned never look into it, though, because deciding for yourself is hard. So much easier to just deny things that aren't commonly accepted, because if they were real, they'd be commonly accepted, in their feeble minds.

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

Because back in the early days, the easiest way of copying pictures like this would be a photocopier - hellishly lossy process, but free.

shower_in_my_socks:meyerkev: There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide. Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.

I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.

We had a fair number of MIGs. There are a few books on the subject. Google Foreign Technology Division.

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

Lsherm:I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge. Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?

Nutsac_Jim:Lsherm: I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge. Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".

Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"

Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Bruxellensis:LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.

Pretty much this.

Well.. if someone is doing some interstellar seeding, it is entirely possible to find humanoid looking things.

Odds of starting from jump and looking like us are probably fairly slim, barring that we are on the critical path of evolution.

Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".

Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"

Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

shower_in_my_socks:Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

You guys haven't heard of Wally Wallington have you?

You can easily move a 20,000 lb stone block by yourself. No aliens required! No advanced tech, only simple machines. Sticks, stones, water. Sure this video is about Stone Henge, but if this guy can build his own stonehenge, how about 1000 drunken slaves?