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It's total bullshit and is designed to promote disinformation and fear. John Cornyn has NEVER been a champion of free speech and this latest steaming pile that he has offered us is absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Here is the offending excerpt that has gotten all of the right winger's panties in bunches.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can&#8217;t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we&#8217;re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it toflag@whitehouse.gov.

Are you still scared Sklar? If you are then you are truly delusional.

This is meant to try to stop all of the ceaseless horseshit that has flung in the media in an attempt by the health care industry to derail health care reform.

Horseshit such as:

"Under a public health care option, 120 million Americans will "lose what they now get from private companies and be forced onto the government-run rolls as businesses decide it is more cost-effective for them to drop coverage." - Karl Rove

"Under the Obama plan . . . all the health care in this country is eventually going to be run by the government." - Tom Coburn

and the biggest and scariest pile of misinformation being a systematic utilization of euthanasia to kill off the older Americans because they are costly.

"The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory &#8212; absolutely require &#8212; that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner." - Betsy McCaughey

If people believe that, then they are no more intelligent then a drooling baby.

Goebbels just loved people who swallowed the government line without any questions.

It looks like you fit that profile far better than does sklar.

In this case, there are two distinct problems which should not be conflated - first, the truth or falsity of the claims about ObamaCare, and second, the emergence of a government program encouraging tattletales to contribute to a list kept by the government. Whether that list will be turned into an official enemies list (not so bizarre a conjecture; it certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened in American history), or whether it will be put to more benign uses, we simply can't say at the present.

As noted, these two shouldn't be confused. It's certainly possible that someone could be a wild proponent of every aspect of ObamaCare, but still be horrified by the possibility that the government might be keeping an enemies list. On the other hand, he might believe that ObamaCare is the worst thing to happen to America since the Dredd Scott decision, but not give a hoot if the feds have his name on a collection of e-mails or not.

This is Joseph Goebbels. Learn about him and how he worked if only for your own safety. The man was a propaganda genius whose techniques are still used today by various groups from governments to religious organizations to PR firms to lobbyists to terrorists to public media providers.

Do not forget that Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News and News Corp. is now also the owner of the Wall Street Journal.

It's total bullshit and is designed to promote disinformation and fear. John Cornyn has NEVER been a champion of free speech and this latest steaming pile that he has offered us is absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Here is the offending excerpt that has gotten all of the right winger's panties in bunches.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we cant keep track of all of them here at the White House, were asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it toflag@whitehouse.gov.

Are you still scared Sklar? If you are then you are truly delusional.

This is meant to try to stop all of the ceaseless horseshit that has flung in the media in an attempt by the health care industry to derail health care reform.

Horseshit such as:

"Under a public health care option, 120 million Americans will "lose what they now get from private companies and be forced onto the government-run rolls as businesses decide it is more cost-effective for them to drop coverage." - Karl Rove

"Under the Obama plan . . . all the health care in this country is eventually going to be run by the government." - Tom Coburn

and the biggest and scariest pile of misinformation being a systematic utilization of euthanasia to kill off the older Americans because they are costly.

"The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory  absolutely require  that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner." - Betsy McCaughey

If people believe that, then they are no more intelligent then a drooling baby.

Nice try at your own bit of misinformation Sklar.

Goebbels would be sooooooo proud if he was still alive.

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and just what is the health care reform? All i've heard is a bunch of horseshit. I haven't seen or heard any details. If you really want to derail disinformation then lay it all out in thre open. How come that hasn't happened?

and just what is the health care reform? All i've heard is a bunch of horseshit. I haven't seen or heard any details. If you really want to derail disinformation then lay it all out in thre open. How come that hasn't happened?

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You, as any other citizen or permanent resident, are free to view and read the entire bill here at The Library of Congress.

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If you're concerned about it you could always use google to search for links, reports, etc, about it.

And about healthcare in general, Medicare and Medicaid already provide "government run" healthcare for MILLIONS!!! OMG!!! the horror!!! :shocked: If you receive a paycheck you already help pay for someone else's insurance. One of the nifty things on my paycheck under deductions is "Medicare Tax".

In this case, there are two distinct problems which should not be conflated - first, the truth or falsity of the claims about ObamaCare, and second, the emergence of a government program encouraging tattletales to contribute to a list kept by the government. Whether that list will be turned into an official enemies list (not so bizarre a conjecture; it certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened in American history), or whether it will be put to more benign uses, we simply can't say at the present.

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IT IS A LIST OF SITES AND BLOGS WHICH ARE SPREADING LIES AND MISINFORMATION. IT IS NOT A LIST OF NAMES AND PEOPLE, AND IT IS NOT A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM. IT IS A WAY TO COMBAT THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY'S ATTEMPTS TO DERAIL THE PROCESS.

Anybody that read the offending statement and gleaned from it that Obama is starting a new government program that records a list of dissenters and those who oppose his healthcare reform effort... is either an idiot or a pure asshole.

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I thank the powers of the Universe that you exist. Thanks to you I was able to read (not "scan over") HR 3200 this afternoon. Yeah, it's "over a thousand pages!" Isn't that about the same length as The Hobbit? The idea that something be "over a thousand pages!" makes me laugh with tears. As a former teacher I am no longer surprised that the general public reads at a lower level than they did in the 1950s. Anyway, I'm stealing the link and making it its own thread so it is more available to the dullards who insist the draft legislation (heavy on the word "draft") can read for themselves that there are no granny death squads being proposed.

Also, I'm sure Sklar is a nice boy. But it amazes me anyone born after 1950 -- seriously ANYONE -- has to ask who was Joseph Goebbels! Me feel way creepy. No wonder we have the problems in US Kulture that we do.

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This is Joseph Goebbels. Learn about him and how he worked if only for your own safety. The man was a propaganda genius whose techniques are still used today by various groups from governments to religious organizations to PR firms to lobbyists to terrorists to public media providers.

Do not forget that Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News and News Corp. is now also the owner of the Wall Street Journal.

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OMG! I didn't know that. Murdoch is like some insidious, invisible poison leaching into the groundwater.

I thank the powers of the Universe that you exist. Thanks to you I was able to read (not "scan over") HR 3200 this afternoon. Yeah, it's "over a thousand pages!" Isn't that about the same length as The Hobbit? The idea that something be "over a thousand pages!" makes me laugh with tears. As a former teacher I am no longer surprised that the general public reads at a lower level than they did in the 1950s. Anyway, I'm stealing the link and making it its own thread so it is more available to the dullards who insist the draft legislation (heavy on the word "draft") can read for themselves that there are no granny death squads being proposed.

Also, I'm sure Sklar is a nice boy. But it amazes me anyone born after 1950 -- seriously ANYONE -- has to ask who was Joseph Goebbels! Me feel way creepy. No wonder we have the problems in US Kulture that we do.

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Meh, thank me after I take you up on your offer of imposing upon your generous hospitality in Barcelona. Don't think I'm not squirreling away airfare and expense money. :wink:

Guys & Gals, it's not a failure to remember on my part. It's that I honestly have never heard of said person before.

Sklar

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It's not meant as a dig on you. Don't take it personally. If you don't know, you don't know. Your educators did you an enormous disservice by not informing you. That's not your fault and in no way reflects upon your intelligence, sincerity, or knowledge of other areas.

If you can, try to learn how media works; how it is skewed to inculcate various beliefs so that you think the way media providers want you to. It's work certainly, but you will be liberated once you understand who wants you to think what and why. Once you learn this, you cease to become a tool of greater forces with hidden agendas. It is an invaluable life skill.

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If you can, try to learn how media works; how it is skewed to inculcate various beliefs so that you think the way media providers want you to. It's work certainly, but you will be liberated once you understand who wants you to think what and why. Once you learn this, you cease to become a tool of greater forces with hidden agendas. It is an invaluable life skill.

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Oh, I learned back in September on 1992 how the media works, Jason. I watched as Chrinstina amanpour (sp) gets in front of the entire world, broadcasting from Somalia, and stating that every child under the age of 5 is dead due to the war and famine.

My battallion was the first one over there for Operation: Restore Hope. It wasn't too long after that that it became obvious that the media blew that totally out of proportion.

So I'm NOT a fan of the media.

Also, in regards to the Goebbles (or whoever it's spelled). I didn't take offense to it. But, where exactly is it taught that such and such a person is a bad person and should be reviled?

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Guys & Gals, it's not a failure to remember on my part. It's that I honestly have never heard of said person before.

Sklar

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Understood. And my apologies if my reply came off as snarky toward you. I admire your willingness to stick with this.

My dismay revolves less around any individual and more around what I perceive as the utter failure of our schools to address in any depth so many important topics from 20th century history, the workings of the Thrid Reich and its propagandists among them.

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The only propagantionist from the Third Reich was a Lonnie something. We did study that person in film interpretation class in College.

As for the Snarky, you're far less Snarky than another person on this thread I could mention that I really don't like. I like reading a lot of what you say, Speedoguy. Can't stand the other one, though.