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I never say opinions are facts. They're my opinions, and yes I am a opinionated but I clearly say it's an opinion. I state facts are facts.I base my opinions off of FACTS. Always have.

I clearly said "in your opinion the arc sucked and in my opinion it didn't"

I have also proclaimed (more than one once) that it's a matter of "tastes"

*shrugs* Maybe he just meant hypocrisy. Because you know despite supposedly recognising other people's opinions, you have a tendacy belittling others opinions and generalisations (even when i warned you countless of times not to):

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

I am glad you said this!!!!!!!! This is the problem with the fans. Bleach is a Shinigami driven manga.

Ichigo is a Shinigami, a shinketsu (pure blood) and he is the main protagonist.

Rukia is the main character and she's a Shinigami

The main antagonist and his top two henchmen were all Shinigami

Shinji's group the Vaizards are all Shinigami

The Arrancar/Espada/Fraccion were basically Pseudo-Shinigami who Bleached their Shihakusho's

You only care about Ginjou now that it's been revealed he's a former Shinigami

Tsukishima's powers remind you of Aizen (who is also a Shinigami) so now you're interested in him

The Shinigami left and the fans all left with them. The only people who claim they were disappointed when the Shinigami showed up,

are primarily IchiHime fans that were angered because Ichigo's Nakama Orihime was pushed aside when Rukia the Shinigami returned and...they wanted Ichigo's namkama Ichigo and Orihime or Ichigo Ichigo and Orihime to solve his problems on his own and not with Rukia's help because she's NOT Orihime
and.....

Arrancar fanboys and girls, who all say they hate Shinigami because they bring nothing new to the table. Despite Shinigami having the biggest bag of tricks because they're the most developed species in Bleach. The Arrancar they preferred were imitation Shinigami (The irony)

yet it seems like everyone is forgetting the HOLLOWS Not hybrids but the Hollows. The beings that it's a Shinigami's job to purify. Hollows haven't been developed enough. Only in bits and pieces ,here and there. This arc and the Fullbringers actually developed the Shinigami counterparts--The Hollows

A lot of fans scoffed at the Fullbringers using hollow powers. Fans said "They're just asspull powers and look nothing like Hollow powers" But what are hollow powers? Except for a "cero" there is nothing in Bleach that establish what Hollow powers really were.

The Arrancar were more like Shinigami than Hollow. The only difference was they manifested their powers and wore them and used that form to fight. The Shinigami manifest theirs into a weapon and then fought with it

Ginjou is the one who actually clarified WHAT "hollow powers" . He is the one who told us that the hollow powers come from their lost hearts

When a plus become hollow, they lose their hearts, and those lost hearts become their powers. ( Much like the Shinigami who's zanpakuto represent their true souls)

When you saw the fullbringers back story, you saw them activate the powers of their hearts. Whether it was wrought through pain or hatred...there powers were a manifestation of their hearts.

The Lost Shinigami agent arc developed hollows in way that no other arc has. Sure Ginjou is a shinigami but hollows are also vital to Bleach as the Shinigami, and so they also need development

Word. It looks as though the little bastard didn't consider them good enough for him. He preferred the ones he created with his fullbring. They seemed to be reaching out to him and he shunned them. They probably left him alone because he made it clear that he didn't want to be a part of their family. His ego tripping reminds me of Aizen. Which is why I believe that Kubo made them so similar. After Aizen proudly stating , only week people actually "needed" others and he had no need of such feelings. Ichigo saying he felt loneliness in his sword had fans shouting"OMFG GTFO RETCON!!! "

To each his own, I loved it, I just wish fans would really look at the arc for what it is. For how good it is instead of tearing it apart for what it isn't.

Kubo's pacing is the same as always. It took more chapters than this to kick off the SS arc that everyone glorifies so I can't understand the complaints about the pacing at this late date. I think this arc was brilliant and I knew the Shinigami would be back eventually so I didn't bitch about them not being there. I only cared about how Kubo was going to give Ichigo's powers back and the way he did it was damn awesome

when I said,"got to know when to take the L" I didnt mean, ok everyone stop reading the manga its failed you and me. It was me saying,"hey, i liked this arc, but its gotten to the point i cant defend it"

People like the arc, seems lots of people hate it. I dont hate it, but im not going to try and sway peoples opinions, thats what i was trying to say.

Sorry to break it to you, but much like the gillians, normal VL's turned out to be mostly overhyped. Seriously, if the top 3 espada disappointed you, then normal VL's can't be expected to perform any better. Because those VL class espada were actually more powerful than your typical VL-class menos since shinigamification greatly augmented their strength.

I also found this arc to be EXTREMELY boring. Did we really need all this just so Ichigo could get his powers back? We could have just had a 3 chapter training arc with Ichigo at the beginning of the real arc. I find myself reading Bleach every couple weeks instead of diligently following spoilers and releases the minute they came out since this arc started. Fullbring is something that needed it's own series, not a short arc in a manga where it has next to nothing to do with the plot.

Another training arc you say? Really? Noway man!! Kishi and Kubo and these silly a$$ training arcs is getting too ridiculous. I still dont understand just how Ichi seems to beat all the Captains when they have been training to perfect their skill for 100's of years and he comes along and pulls a great big Plot-Kai in some stupid hyperbolic time chamber not once but, 3 times. Why cant they do some training off screen like how Ishida did when he got healed after being served by the FB.

^ Ichigo has only ever defeated one captain, and that's Byakuya. He drew with Kenpachi and he basically lost to Aizen, since it was Urahara who ultimately sealed him...not to mention Aizen lost his captain status long ago

I also found this arc to be EXTREMELY boring. Did we really need all this just so Ichigo could get his powers back?

lol. Apparently not. Because the only thing Ichigo needed to do was sit back, relax, and just wait for his powers to be returned. Come to think of it, the method Kubo came up with to instantly return his shinigami powers seemed awfully simple--which can sort of bring up some potential problems. Because without any defined limitations as to the extent this method can be used, it easily defeats the entire purpose and the novelty of the "final" attack. Case in point, whats to stop Ichigo from using FGT again on the next major bad guy to pose the next big threat? I mean after all, Urahara and the rest of the shinigami can just give him his powers back yet again. So it'll be somewhat interesting to see what explanation (if any) Kubo will come up with to prevent FGT from being a plausible solution.

In any case, I'm predicting the purpose of this arc lies within the fate of the fullbringers. Because if the sole purpose of this arc was just to give Ichigo his powers back, and all the fullbringers end up defeated, dead, or just plain gone for good before at least doing something that will affect the future of the plot, then the arc itself fails completely. I may not place much faith in Kubo's abilities as a story writer, but I don't think he's THAT incompetent. So I'm pretty sure at least one of the fullbringers will come through to provide some much needed purpose to this arc once it's all said and done.

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^ Ichigo has only ever defeated one captain, and that's Byakuya. He drew with Kenpachi and he basically lost to Aizen, since it was Urahara who ultimately sealed him...not to mention Aizen lost his captain status long ago

I think the point still stands though. (And without being too nitpicky , if he was able to defeat one captain, it stands to reason he's come to rival their strength on average). Although its a point that isn't necessarily limited to just Ichigo. That being, a lot of characters in Bleach have trained for many decades (or centuries) just to have obtained the strength they had at the start of this series. But yet Ichigo and his friends (like Ishida and Chad) can come along to rival or even surpass the strength of these characters in a small fraction of the time. And lets face it, at full strength, its no secret that Ichigo far surpasses everyone--including Yamamoto. We don't have to see that match-up take place to know that. FGT was stupidly OP, and we can only speculate as to why that is, or how the hell no one else among the Gotei 13 either didn't learn it, or thought their own "final" attack wouldn't be powerful enough to beat Aizen with. Heck, we still don't even know why some of the participants in the war refrained from using bankai. lol

Ichigo has been using hax ever since Yoruichi's bankai doll, so getting his powers back in such a short time is very Kubo-like...but maybe he had planned to end Bleach with the fall of Aizen, it was a very fitting final chapter. Still, he's had Ichigo insta-power up many times before, so one more doesn't hurt (much...).

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Heck, we still don't even know why some of the participants in the war refrained from using bankai. lol

Apparently some are too dangerous to use if there are people in a few km radius

Apparently some are too dangerous to use if there are people in a few km radius

Well officially, there's only one unseen bankai we know to be like that. We don't know for sure how dangerous all the others we haven't seen are to bystanders. Besides, when it came to confronting Aizen, the old man was willing to nuke the entire battlefield and take all his subordinates down in the process before even giving his own bankai a second thought. *lmao*

Sayde said it right. It does stand to reason that if Ichi can beat 1 Capt then he can pretty much rival them. Then when you include the fact Ichi COMPLETELY pawned Aizen, even without going all FGT, at that point in time NO Capt including Genryūsai Yamamoto could lay a finger on Ichi. Boring. If not for the whole losing his power thing Ichi would still be majorly hax and no one in the Bleach universe could rival him in power. While it was a good thing for him to lose his power, the way in which he gains it back was poorly executed. I still think this arc should have been mostly about Isshen, since he is technically THE lost Shinigami that we know nothing of, and Gin because he was a Shinigami rep.

Well officially, there's only one unseen bankai we know to be like that. We don't know for sure how dangerous all the others we haven't seen are to bystanders. Besides, when it came to confronting Aizen, the old man was willing to nuke the entire battlefield and take all his subordinates down in the process before even giving his own bankai a second thought. *lmao*

Actually we know of at least two. Urahara and Shunsui both have Bankais that can't be released around other people. We can also assume the same applies to Yamamoto but we don't have any proof. Now Unohana.... her Bankai will probably end the world.

Actually we know of at least two. Urahara and Shunsui both have Bankais that can't be released around other people.

I'm not surprised to the issue regarding Urahara's bankai get blown a little bit out of proportion. Afterall, he admitted that his bankai wasn't suited for training material. And since he's Urahara Kisuke (one of the most bamf characters in all of Bleach) that naturally must mean that his bankai is do dangerous, awesome, and volatile, that anyone who even looks at it will probably die, right? lol

But seriously, what we know about Kisuke's bankai doesn't automatically mean it has to be a threat to anyone near it. Shunsui appears to be the only one confirmed to have an unknown bankai implied to be that way for sure.

I'm not surprised to the issue regarding Urahara's bankai get blown a little bit out of proportion. Afterall, he admitted that his bankai wasn't suited for training material. And since he's Urahara Kisuke (one of the most bamf characters in all of Bleach) that naturally must mean that his bankai is do dangerous, awesome, and volatile, that anyone who even looks at it will probably die, right? lol

Not really. It's just that, when he said it, his face seemed very sad to me. Like his Bankai is responsible for some great sadness, which in my mind means that it killed someone innocent and/or someone he cared about. I don't think it has much to do with control of his bankai since he straight up says it is the very nature of his bankai not to be used for such purposes, so I conclude it must be dangerous from that alone.

...When you add in his bamfness it makes it a surety :P

It's off-topic but I read a few fanfics about his bankai, and every single one was either terrifying or gruesome lol - some very good ideas though.

Dude.......wth did you just say?! None of what you said had anything to do with what I mentioned. The moral of the story is that most of us could give a rats a$$ bout the FB chars. Gin has ties with the Shinigami and he cut those ties. I wanna know 1. How he became a Shinigami Rep. 2. Why he cut ties to the Shinigami. 3. Why the Shinigami want him dead because just like Ichi, he is Shinigami/Hollow/Human hybrid but, he is still human and Shinigami dont kill humans.

I AM A DUDETTE!!!!!

My point is you're not supposed to give a rat's ass because Kubo was going to kill them off. He didn't want you to care about him. Why would he when he planned to get rid of most of them. They were only necessary to develop Ginjou and Hollow powers because Bleach is a Shinigami driven manga. That's why Ginjou is a Shinigami.

@ Sayde...fans hyped Arrancar not Kubo. Hitsugaya said that they didn't know much about them. Which means you should have taken what he said with a grain of salt. Rukia said the same, "not much is known about those Hollows" and although they won in the end, the Arrancar did give them a hard time...

Sorry for being rude, but I'll answer to this even though it isn't directed at me. Kubo TOTALLY hyped the arrancar. Starting with Toushiro's theory of 6 VL being enough to destroy SS, the conquistadores invasion of mooks followed by Grimmjow, to how Aizen later told him to share his news with his 20 brothers (insinuating Aizen had at least 20 arrancar, all far stronger than VCs and Toushiro who could barely beat mooks at 100% power). Then comes Ulquiorra with his second release and "stronger than everyone" aura, and don't get me started on the abomination that is #0...Also, some of us had thought about the existence a Hueco Mundo king, counterpart to the spirit king, and Kubo turned that into Barragan. Saying that fans hyped the arrancar is madness! Well, it's not blasphemy and this isn't Sparta, all the fans did (at least in this forum) was speculation on whether or not the espada survived their fights, who amongst their ranks were VL beforehand and if any of them would join the good guys later on. That's not hyping them up...

After reading that ^ post, I humored another thought of how Bleach could've gone.

Spoiler for Kinda OT:

Aizen did what he did in the SS arc just for the hell of it, for bloodthirst alone. He was tired of Shinigami this and Seireitei that. So he left for HM, he gathers 20 Vastos and leads the captains on about the King's Key. Then he attacks: Soul Society, starting with Seireitei. The Vastos decimate Seireitei in under an hour. Only a few captains and lieutenants manage to escape alive. Aizen becomes the ruler of SS and vows to make it a pure anarchy and introduces a permanently open passage for hollow to enter. Ichigo must then team up with the survivors and put an end to Aizen's plan. Wow, even that sounds like the Sensui arc from YYH.