fusillade762:They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?

Scientology REQUIRES every one of it's members who use a computer to install a program called Scieno Sitter onto their computer. It works in a manner similar to every other parental protection program on the market today, except that it not only blocks any websites which have negative mention of the CoS, but actively reports on that attempt to access that website back to it's master server. It also works in other programs, like Messenger programs, Skype, and IRC, and actively works to filter or block mentions of scientology scandals using keywords.

What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

foo monkey:What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

Atomic Spunk:foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

They teach everyone who isn't a Scientologist that cults are bad.

don't forget the "if you're not in the 'church,' you're a threat part"

It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long. I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity. There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone. It seems they are way past that.It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea. If you get out, you never get to see your family again. Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?

Wolf892:It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

foo monkey:What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.

Genevieve Marie:Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

foo monkey:What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!

starsrift:foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology? What does Scientology teach? Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect. All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta. What are the redeeming qualities?

Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!

From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions. They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings

GranoblasticMan:UsikFark: My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.

WTF! You said you'd never tell anyone!

Oh, wow, is there egg on my face! I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone else. I thought you were telling people about the messing around I did with the neighbor kid when he was 5.

Wolf892:Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc. Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true. What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?

HotWingAgenda:Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc. Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true. What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?

I would hope to high hell the editor would do the simplest of research....

HotWingAgenda:Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc. Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true. What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?

DNA should clear that up....but...and I'm just adjusting my tin foil hat now, if that were to happen, it would probably be the Scientologists behind those reports trying to say she's a no body/crazy person.

It's not therapy. It's basically convincing the person that they have to be completely dependant on Scientology to be happy. It's programming and brainwashing at it's basic definition.

hotter than the ads:Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.

Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!

Wolf892:What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc. Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true. What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?

DNA should clear that up....but...and I'm just adjusting my tin foil hat now, if that were to happen, it would probably be the Scientologists behind those reports trying to say she's a no body/crazy person.

No dispute there. If I came across as defending the Hubbardists, it was strictly unintentional.

/I used to live in a neighborhood that still had sidewalks stamped with his family's construction company name