Tuesday, July 04, 2006

Question on Our Minds

The Cook County state's attorney's office plans to review how two people -- including the niece of a high-ranking aide to top prosecutor Richard A. Devine -- got jobs in the office despite having criminal backgrounds.

Well, let's see if we can help out here. Teresa Sanchez has an extensive criminal background, including two felony arrests for aggravated battery. Her husband Jesus Rodriguez has retail theft convictions. Teresa's aunt, Teri Sanchez, is deputy chief of the Bureau of Administrative Services and ... Uh ... Stop the presses! We think we might have found something. Maybe.

Come on people. Perhaps a family connection is hinted at here? Perhaps Chicago and Cook County and even statewide hiring is based on who your relatives are? Or maybe we shouldn't be paying attention to Todd Stroger trying to take over for daddy? Or Beavers designating his daughter as heir to his aldermanic seat? Or the little guy on the 5th floor sitting in the same seat his father did years ago? Or any one of a hundred examples true students of the political scene could name.

ENACT RETRO-ACTIVE 4 YEAR DEGREE REQUIREMENT. GRADUATE COLLEGE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR BE FIRED.FUCK THE DINOSAURS WITH THEIR GED'S.RETIRE ALREADY.LOOK AT THE CRIME STATS. THEY ARE AT AN ALL TIME RECORD LOW.IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT AND DECLINE IN CRIME? ABSOLUTELY! YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT.BEFORE YOU COLLEGELESS IDIOTS CLAIM THERE IS A CONSPIRACY TO LOWER THE STATISTICS, DON'T FORGET THE STATS ARE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL UCR PULLED, NOT THE CHARGES.

I can hear you assholes now, "Oh mommy, mommy they didn't promote me and I have 15 years of the city's free college. Mommy will they promote me some day? I read all of the books and I think I'm smart except when the old guys tell me I'm a dumb fuck". If they keep yelling at me mommy I think I'll move back to Deerfield with all of my little friends"

Fuck you arrogant college boy assholes. YOU WOULDN'T MAKE A PIMPLE ON A POLICEMAN'S ASS.

If yout hink the stats are legit you have your head up your ass.The commanders are running every morning and all day to the review offices to twist the stats on each and every report from the night before.

You sir are either 100 percent stupid or another college boy liar, or both.

This job was built for real men and we had quite a few until you pampered assholes showed up. Don't give people with this lower crime rate shit, it's all bullshit BOY.Don't beleive the 35th St. bullshit just as you shouln't beleive them when one of them tells you that your a real man. That too is bullshit.

Forget the residency rule. They should never have let suburbanites on this job.

Really fuckhead? Who would be taking this job now, Mr.Will from Dearborn Homes? Those suburbanites are all the children of the former city residents that you and your "real men" counterparts allowed to be chased out of this city while you let it go up in flames. The old days this the old days that, give me a fucking break, there were obviously as many dogs and fuck ups in the old days as there are today. Go to the elephants grave yard and lay down repeating your ridiculous caveman mantra...."college bad,suburb bad,me good".

Never mentioned the old days you usless cunt. I'm saying we had men on the job then not clerks, combputer geeks and social workers like you yuppie assholes. So stop putting so much into your college education. Todays college grad is equivelent to yesterdays high school grad, especially from a Catholic High.

ENACT RETRO-ACTIVE 4 YEAR DEGREE REQUIREMENT. GRADUATE COLLEGE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR BE FIRED.FUCK THE DINOSAURS WITH THEIR GED'S.RETIRE ALREADY.LOOK AT THE CRIME STATS. THEY ARE AT AN ALL TIME RECORD LOW.IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT AND DECLINE IN CRIME? ABSOLUTELY! YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT.BEFORE YOU COLLEGELESS IDIOTS CLAIM THERE IS A CONSPIRACY TO LOWER THE STATISTICS, DON'T FORGET THE STATS ARE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL UCR PULLED, NOT THE CHARGES.

You sir area fucking idiot, first of all you wouldn't even know what crime was if it bit you in the ass. And what the hell is a Belmont Beret is that something you would wear with your ass cheeks exposed through your leather chaps on Halsted.

Furthermore your probably a boss, do us all a favor and get Fu--ed, you are a disgrace to all the hard workers through out the city be it in 019 or 010.

If you believe that the fact we hire people now with college degrees has something to do with the lowering crime rate you are in for a rude awakening in a couple of years. Drive around what ever dist you work in and look at the grade schools. New ones have been built and many of the old ones have had additions put on them. There is a large group of youths who will be turning into teenagers and adults in the next couple of years. Crime Is down because of the fact the male population of young adults is low at the moment. this will change soon and when it does your college degree (Oh, I also have a degree and 20 years on and it has NEVER helped me catch a criminal) will not mean squat to Dude and Juan. I worked with an old timer when I first came on and he told me that there is one universal language and the is PAIN, everybody understands that. Good luck and I'm sorry you will be learning the hard way.

Hey you! with 39 years, get off the job and make room for us younger, non-smoking, non-drinking, non-swearing go-getters who want to be sgt. by 24 years old, Lt. by 27 and Capt. by 30. That way we can move out of the city, sell back out 8,000 hrs. and go to work as a starter at our favorite country club. That would be the life huh, chasing 75 year old women around the course telling them to move faster.Have a great life old man.

. . . If you believe that the fact we hire people now with college degrees . . .##################################Lets get it straight people -We DO NOT hire people with college degrees.WE HIRE people with 60 credit hours of college education.

That means the credit could be in Cartoon Reading 101 yet it still counts to get hired by the CPD!

Funkin right! Require a four year degree to get on. Unlike our fathers who obtained a quality education at Lane, Taft, Ignatius, St. Phillips, etc. your contemporary HS diploma is worthless. It certainly was something of value to the Vietnam vets, but has become meaningless to subsequent generations. If you didn't get a degree between high school and coming on the job what were you doing? Getting drunk all day at your park district job with the rest of the bustouts while waiting to take white welfare to the next level and become a policeman? A degree isn't a panacea, however, coupled with a work ethic, common sense, and a desire to do real police work it is invaluable. I see a zillion case reports every week and I can't beleive the shit I read. Fuckin retards. So are many of the bosses. Beleive me the vitriole I read hear is finely polished verse compared to what gets written on most GOCR's. So I know it's not you guys turning in this shit. Can't blame the sgt. for signing then either. They didn't create this mess. You guys are the only people I've ever read who advocate lower education! Lower to where? Look in the mirror because you're the problem.

The college degree is OK but what are you getting educated in. Yes some of the kids only have the 60 hr. degree but maybe their daddies and mommies did have the money to sent them away for 4 yrs. to join frats and play snap the towel in the gym shower. Most of the + or - 60 hr. young men and women probably worked full time ans went to school part-time. All the more power to them. I"ll take a guy who knows the street, common sense, a willing to learn and a set of balls over the big ten types anyday. The big tenners think the world owes them a living. Well listen the world doesn't owe you shit. Get out there and work for it. College educated officers are not going to save this dept. It will be men with balls and I haven't see to many lately. The few superintendants from Cline to Conlisk (this is probably before you were born-kid) have been nothing but politcal hacks. Brzizak (however you spell it) hated the rank in file. Another from the west side was a dope-dealer. Another a drunk. Their degrees from Louis and Roosevelt did not help their thinking process, then again they were given their degrees as were most of 1121 S. State./ 35th st.

The college boys and girls are the ones that have turned this department into a social agency and are trying to make all of you social-welfare workers.

A real policeman is just that, A POLICEMAN, He is there to investigate the crime not to put candles and teddy bears at memorials, not to hug and cry with the victim and family. If there is sadness he will do it on his own time and in his own way. He'll slip he bum a fin when situation calls for it not drag the poor drunk off to be locked up in a shelter by those wackos in the Humanity units white van. A real policeman will do the right thing when the time comes, he doesn't need college or acadamy classes or streaming videos to theach him that. So be a man, stop whining about the guy in a slower district or living in the city or all of that other shit. A degree won't make you a man, you got to do that yourself in spite of you degree.

ENACT RETRO-ACTIVE 4 YEAR DEGREE REQUIREMENT. GRADUATE COLLEGE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR BE FIRED.FUCK THE DINOSAURS WITH THEIR GED'S.RETIRE ALREADY.LOOK AT THE CRIME STATS. THEY ARE AT AN ALL TIME RECORD LOW.IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT AND DECLINE IN CRIME? ABSOLUTELY! YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT.BEFORE YOU COLLEGELESS IDIOTS CLAIM THERE IS A CONSPIRACY TO LOWER THE STATISTICS, DON'T FORGET THE STATS ARE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL UCR PULLED, NOT THE CHARGES. >>>> Ah kid you make me laugh! you must be a 2 yaer wonder! Did Daddy get you on the job? Are you a surbubanite who whats to fight crime? Maybe your like many youngsters dumb as a box of rocks! Lets see kid you can work part-time jobs for $12.00 per hour but the "old timers" without your Jethro Bodine inspired degree from the university of drinkin we work CHA Tara for time +1/2 Hey kid Sucks to be you! But I appreciate you work keep paying into MY pension thanks for that SUPERMAN!

Life imitating art, my daddy's this, my momma's that now it sounds like I'm all that! By the way clout get's you further than college credit's and a degree on this job. Why would you want this job with a degree? Duh, maybe because you were unable to find a job, in this such a great city. Ya think the start-up salary had anything to do with the choice as well? You settled here where your degree means squat. Not to worry most of us so called old timer's will be gone and you can face all your little pipe dreams alone.

As I said a degree isn't a panacea, and it doesn't supplant courage and common sense. However it complements the other attributes you refer to. What is this visceral disdain for education? Why do you feel the need to dumb the job down? Hasn't the merit, or McMerit promotion policy already done that? By your illogic a high school only requirement should make a better MD, accountant, or lawyer! I'm fifty, third genertaion on the job, and was told to get a degree or get kicked out of the house. And I worked fifty hours a week in a factory while going to a real college. My partner was high school only and then off to the Marines. But we clicked and the car produced. But the times have changed. I know some brilliant, educated coppers who could easily dismantle any GD or King at the slightest provocation. And I know plenty of high school only guys that wouldn't get within ten blocks of the old Rockwell Gardens.

A degree or credit's currently get's your foot in the door of this job and in limited mgmt. position's. A degree is not needed for police work where you can learn on the job. This is not brain surgery. End all, a degree is to your personal benefit for potential or possible promotion's, and within the private sector. A degree does not make the officer. Degree's are being pumped up through out sourcing where numerous job's are and these job's and position's are no longer in this country. Why do so many wear veil's and hood's over their eye's. Question our mind's even better title for the blog.

Lets see 4 coppers went into a fight over a gun 1 was BRAVE got the bad guy 3 cowards all college educated ran 2 were fired (Hope Phil fires the 3rd), all younger coppers 1 out of 3 stood up! Old school no one runs as a veteran P.O. I cannot reacll any situation where anyone ran guess just like in the 60's the kids ran from this country to college as they were to cowardly to fight to live here! Things have changed! I think not

What general expectation's, please do tell. For your benefit Old timer's have kids and grandkids in college. Many so called old timer's have college. I think the issue has just turned into the root of the problem a lack of respect for you peer's and a college degree won't help ya there. Hey was this not another bright Daley idea, anyway? More Koolaid needed on the front line.

O.K. college educated Obe young one, your winning what? Fudge crime stat's with a debt owed either by mommy, daddy or both. Hey, maybe you ran the huge debt up and your still paying it off yourself with those credit cards you got in school before you even showed any income. A degree for work has turned into a requirement for life. This country is service oriented and the corp's. are outsourcing a mess of job's non-degreed and degreed. Your not operating on us anytime soon, so step aside your were winning joke. What a cute puppy you are. Who want's to adopt this pup out?

Uhm, the ability to read, write and think critically. That would be about 10% of you uneducated dinosaurs, and about 90% of the educated young-uns.

Winning what? Look around downtown daddy-o. Taxpayers are coming back over the last 10 years or so. No thanks to you guys who let them be driven out by the savages. Hell, most of you old guys are the ones on here whining about residency because you want to flee like little girls.

Tip to the wise old men, look around. The suburbs are going to shit and y'all want to join them. Stay and watch us reverse your trends.

LOL Pfffffffffffff hi, Mayor mouth piece. Read and write chuckle more LOL, great education system you have.. mush I would say. Ever leave the loop these day's, or streeterville, Goldcoast. Yeah I know downtown is where it's at, for what you say investment ville. Chicago is not a slice of heaven. So now you have police responsible for the tax base boost and construction. Get out much? What's your real job, writing real estate marketing for city hall spin. Your post was all spin. Born an raised Chg. LMAO still, thank ya in advance.

Perhaps you could enumerate some of the others. 7/04/2006 05:26:16 PM Well, for instance, teaching old dogs new tricks. Leading horses to water and making them drink. Fooling all of the people all of the time.

When you can't argue substance, resort to insults and name-calling. Are you Jane Fonda by chance? 7/04/2006 06:16:21 PM

Don’t worry. We understand. It’s not your fault. The dumbing down of formal education began before your time. You are a victim. The dilution of the SAT was necessary to fill the seats in academia. It’s big business. Unfortunatey, the by-product is people who think they are smart. Years ago it was known that everyone did not belong in college; today, the more the merrier. The Wall Street Journal opined that those receiving a college degree today have an education equivalent to a high school diploma from the post World War II era.

Strangely, I agree with the Wall Street Journal as to the college education today being the equivalent of high school education yesterday.

Back to substance, you know what is to blame? Student loans and the massive entitlement mentality of YOUR "me" generation.

The "G" provides the money as a loan to a bunch of kids who have no fucking idea how difficult it will be to pay back 60K to 150K in student loans. The more loans you provide the more the schools charge in tuition, the more "colleges" that come into existence, and the larger the student bodies at almost every level of education.

Next thing you know, everybody is expected to have a college degree. In my crowd its almost entirely graduate and professional degrees these days. F&(*C&*

And high schools? Why should they care about educating anyone? The "G" will give a "loan" to anyone who wants it, there is a college out there that will accept anyone no-questions-asked, and the Democrats are in the pocket of the teachers' unions.

Don't blame us. There is not one problem America faces today that wasn't started by the selfish generation of baby boomers. Not one.

So it seems like we agree where America is at today.

And if you have kids facing student loans, you may want to explain to them just how long it takes YOU to save up 60K to 150K before letting them go off to private schools without a full ride. Seriously.

ENACT RETRO-ACTIVE 4 YEAR DEGREE REQUIREMENT. GRADUATE COLLEGE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR BE FIRED.

IS THERE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT AND DECLINE IN CRIME? ABSOLUTELY! YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

YOU COLLEGELESS IDIOTS

Strangely, I agree with the Wall Street Journal as to the college education today being the equivalent of high school education yesterday.-----------------------------------What is it? College is the answer or the problem. Need it or not.

Back to substance, you know what is to blame? Student loans and the massive entitlement mentality of YOUR "me" generation.

Don't blame us. There is not one problem America faces today that wasn't started by the selfish generation of baby boomers. Not one.

Don't blame us. There is not one problem America faces today that wasn't started by the selfish generation of baby boomers. Not one-----------------------------------Oh,oh. Are we wearing our psychosis on our shirt sleeve?

WE are fucked people !!!!!!!!!!!ALL will suffer.the DIVISION is economic.don't get DISTRACTED by bullshit.your grasp of history or the fine arts won't help defend you from the robber barons of new.will you have a pension in old age ?will the money you spend on your childrens college education pay off for them ?will this bullshit wealfare state finally collapse under it's own weight ?I HAVE COLLEGE.....IM THE REAL GHETTO POLICE.....I MADE IT FAIR AND SQUARE.you are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Whoa, and to tie it all together without insulting any (in this post), I read today that absent immigrants, the European-descended population of America has birthrates similar to the European population of Europe.

Uh oh. That means its declining.

I have a theory, not yet proven. In the old days and old countries people had children as insurance. Someone to take care of them in their old age. Society was built around the respect for elders thing to this very purpose.

Social security, pensions and other government umbrella programs enter the scene (here, Japan, Europe), and next thing you know nobody needs to have kids anymore.

Not any of the most productive people on Earth. Is it time to get rid of it all and make people take more of their own risks and shoulder more of their own burden?

Your argumentations have more holes in them than the proverbial horse trader’s mule. Again, it’s not your fault. Everyone else is guilty for your inability to logically present a point. History was apparently not offered in your curriculum, and, of course, independent study was out of the question. (Too busy paying back all those loans.)

Great intellects have the onus of keeping the respect of others. You need never worry about that burden. In your little world you and your rants can be quite content. Don’t be too concerned; computers have an innate logic that will probably get you through life to retirement. Put your trust in the machine, you know, the one that Boomer Gates built. As for me, I’m bored. I think I’ll turn to something more stimulating for the little gray cells, Sports Center.

nah, don't worry about it .... we'll be fine.SHANIQUA gets paid by the tax payers to reproduce 5x. her I Q , that of a turnup, is further deminished by her substance abuse and the insestuance of the ghetto community. SHANIQUA knows nothing and is eager to pass that on to her offspring. SHANIQUA has learned well from her community leaders that she and her family unit have a right to all the things that most others in society have to work hard for and SHANIQUA will settle for nothing less.thanks to section 8 SHANIQUA, her many babies daddies, cousins, play cousins and so forth are heading to your neighborhood where you, politicly correct sensitised, will not even complain untill the damage has allready been done.happy forth of july !!!!!!!!!!!1

12:12 that is the other side of the coin, and its just as scary. At the same time that the nanny-state takes risk out of growing old so that the middle and upper classes need not have children, the nanny-state has also been busy giving Sheniqua and the other worst of our citizens SUBSIDIES for having children.

Its the world turned upside down. Anyone want to disagree with me about this? I'm all ears, but I've argued this for several years and nobody in the middle or upper classes seems to disagree with me about the declining birthrate for the world's most productive citizens.

Your argumentations have more holes in them than the proverbial horse trader’s mule. Again, it’s not your fault. Everyone else is guilty for your inability to logically present a point. History was apparently not offered in your curriculum, and, of course, independent study was out of the question. (Too busy paying back all those loans.)

Great intellects have the onus of keeping the respect of others. You need never worry about that burden. In your little world you and your rants can be quite content. Don’t be too concerned; computers have an innate logic that will probably get you through life to retirement. Put your trust in the machine, you know, the one that Boomer Gates built. As for me, I’m bored. I think I’ll turn to something more stimulating for the little gray cells, Sports Center.

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All these words and you still can't find one good thing to say about your own generation. You are a sad, sad little old man.

Never mentioned the old days you usless cunt. I'm saying we had men on the job then not clerks, combputer geeks and social workers like you yuppie assholes. So stop putting so much into your college education. Today's college grad is equivalent to yesterdays high school grad, especially from a Catholic High.

7/04/2006 09:12:13 AM

Then college should be required, right? Tour lack of logic and reasoning proves the need for more education. Let me guess, 25 years jockying a beat car?

Then college should be required, right? Tour lack of logic and reasoning proves the need for more education. Let me guess, 25 years jockying a beat car? 7/05/2006 08:26:32 AM All right Mr. Logic and Reasoning, riddle me this.

Officer A has graduated from an academic high school sometime in the 1960’s.Officer B has graduated from a four year college sometime in the last ten years.It is agreed that the quality, depth, and intellectualism of the two educations is the same. The only difference is the amount of time and money invested to arrive at the same place.Based on these hypotheses, is it reasonable and logical to assume that one education is superior to the other or that one officer is superior to the other based on their respective formal educations?