Why should black people be proud that a majority of them (the young voters anyway) voted for Obama because he wasn't a boring, old white guy?

I'm sure I wasn't the only one who got a serious case of déjà vu watching Obama give his "destiny" speech last night. Felt like 2008 all over again.

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No doubt blacks are proud and excited that we have a African American president, and they should be. Race is always a factor, but its not the only one. It's more about the party and their policies. If you don't believe that, then put up Herman Cain against Obama and i'll bet we will get the same results.

No, you're wrong. If Herman Cain ran, he would have won. It would have split the black votes that Obama survived on.

For getting elected to the highest office in the nation and getting reelected. For being a good role model because it helps fight negative stereotypes. It gives people more confidence to achieve what they thought they couldn't.

Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

No, you're wrong. If Herman Cain ran, he would have won. It would have split the black votes that Obama survived on.

How? By offering free pizzas..... Herman Cain is a joke and he knew he was never going to get past the primaries........

For getting elected to the highest office in the nation and getting reelected. For being a good role model because it helps fight negative stereotypes. It gives people more confidence to achieve what they thought they couldn't.

How? By offering free pizzas..... Herman Cain is a joke and he knew he was never going to get past the primaries........

I guess those people don't give two $#@!s about how bad he was for the country over four years. He's black, and got elected/re, and that's all that matters to some people I guess.

I guess those people don't give two $#@!s about how bad he was for the country over four years. He's black, and got elected/re, and that's all that matters to some people I guess.

He wasn't and isn't bad for the country. He got elected and reelected because ran better campaigns and his message resonates more with voters. Plus he is a very likable person who just happens to be black. I really don't care what his race is but this guy isn't a bad president at all.

Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

If Mitt was black, then he would get the black votes. Regardless of what side he was on.

Then why didn't blacks vote for Jesse Jackson when he ran?

If Obama was white, he would not get the black vote.

Oh, he would. The republican party would make sure of that. Go ask president Clinton.

Blacks have been the democrats most reliable voting block for about 50 years. Been that way since about '64 and the civil rights act.

I know there are *some* black people who vote only for Obama because he's black, but that's a minority of a minority. Almost assuredly less than the amount of white people that voted for Willard solely because he's *not* black.

He wasn't and isn't bad for the country. He got elected and reelected because ran better campaigns and his message resonates more with voters. Plus he is a very likable person who just happens to be black. I really don't care what his race is but this guy isn't a bad president at all.

Then why didn't blacks vote for Jesse Jackson when he ran?

Oh, he would. The republican party would make sure of that. Go ask president Clinton.

running a campaign doesn't do $#@! for the debt we are getting, get jobs for people, or lower the cost of heathcare... plus a multitude of other things that were spouted in the campaigning that go him elected/re. How is he likeable for increasing the problems and blinding people in that respect by saying "i did this..."?

Originally Posted by DeviousOne

Are you guys serious? Obama got all the black people and that why he won?

If u think romney was a better candidate than obama then your retarded I don't think either of them were great choices but out of the two obama was the better choice simply put.

Are you guys serious? Obama got all the black people and that why he won?

If u think romney was a better candidate than obama then your retarded I don't think either of them were great choices but out of the two obama was the better choice simply put.

He was, yeah. But it makes you wonder what the election would have been like if the Republican party wasn't so quick to get rid of Ron Paul. How would he fair in debates, campaign ads etc.

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"As long as there are dreamers who have the courage to pursue their dreams, the world will have heroes. And as long as there is a thirst to discover the unknown, there will be new stories to tell...and new adventures to be had."

He wasn't and isn't bad for the country. He got elected and reelected because ran better campaigns and his message resonates more with voters. Plus he is a very likable person who just happens to be black. I really don't care what his race is but this guy isn't a bad president at all.

Then why didn't blacks vote for Jesse Jackson when he ran?

Oh, he would. The republican party would make sure of that. Go ask president Clinton.

Perhaps, but not on the scale that Obama did. It was the largest turnout of black voters.

running a campaign doesn't do $#@! for the debt we are getting, get jobs for people, or lower the cost of heathcare... plus a multitude of other things that were spouted in the campaigning that go him elected/re.

It doesn't do $#@! for the debt. I never said it did. I was giving you my reasons as to why he got elected and reelected. And all the things you said about jobs and healthcare are inaccurate.

How is he likeable for increasing the problems and blinding people in that respect by saying "i did this..."?

He didn't increase problems we had. That's a bogus claim that comes from partisan politics.

Wow...I think I have stated that on more than one occasion. I don't think he lacks conviction. His party led him down a road that he was inevitably going to fail.

No, you haven't. The only thing you've ever mentioned was that Republicans don't appeal to everyone. You've never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Republicans for Independents and Libertarians. Not once. You've also never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Democrats for Independents and Libertarians. Not once.

I'm not a democrat just because I supported Obama. You really need to get that out of your head. His message just resonated with me while with Romney I wasn't clear on where he stood on some important issues. I personally think Romney is a good and decent person but his biggest problem was catering to some of the extremist in his party and that was a big mistake. I still stand by my belief that Paul will never be president and it's simply because he will never gather enough support to be nominated. Plus the fact that he is pushing 80 doesn't help either.

No. You're a closet Democrat in an Independent's clothes. Your stances on the vital issues of actual importance prove as much. Your posting is proof of it. But you're right, Paul will never be president. However, it wasn't because he was "kooky" or because his foreign policy was non-interventionist. It's because the man was disrespected, discounted and discarded by the media, GOP and Democrats alike. If you can't see that, than you've been willfully ignorant this past election. As for Paul's relevance, his message resonated with far more people than the establishment ever gave credit for. He polled better than Romney against Obama and actually beat Obama in most polls. He had the highest military contribution than all the other candidates, COMBINED. Paul was far from un-electable and deep down, you know damn well it's the truth. As for his age, at the age of 77, he is healthier than everyone else who ran. Your refusal to give due credit to the man says more about you than anything trivial you've posted and exposes you for what you really are, a closet Democrat.

I'm not talking about the comment I made earlier concerning Romney slated to win based on some professors system he developed and used for the past 20+ some odd years*, I'm referring to the newer ones that are more robust. Specifically, (in the past situation I'm referencing) I quoted Sam Wang from Princeton. Oddly the dude's a neurosurgeon but he's pretty up to snuff with this political analysis stuff.

*Fully admit I had just glanced that one over and just figured it had to be somewhat accurate.

yeah that was me. Still not sure how I got my wires crossed.

I think I must have been thinking about polling methodologies.
"Who are you voting for" vs "Do you support the democrat government take over of healthcare"

Blacks have been the democrats most reliable voting block for about 50 years. Been that way since about '64 and the civil rights act.

I know there are *some* black people who vote only for Obama because he's black, but that's a minority of a minority. Almost assuredly less than the amount of white people that voted for Willard solely because he's *not* black.

I'm not even sure those figures are correct- I remember that Slick Willy got something like 92% of the black vote.

But Mittens didn't just lose the black vote. He lost 80 PERCENT of the non-white vote. Blacks, hispanics, asians...

He lost the female vote by double digits!

The young vote turned out just as strong as they did in 2008... and these are the people, like me, who graduated at the bottome of the recession

It was a sweeping victory.

Hopefully- Moderates and Libertarians emerge from the GOP and they find a way to make the GOP a big tent party again.

But I fear that the party leaders are going to huddle and just talk about how they wish they could have gone more crazy.

Palin/Santorum 2016

Hill-Dawg is lickin her chops

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Blacks have been the democrats most reliable voting block for about 50 years. Been that way since about '64 and the civil rights act.

I know there are *some* black people who vote only for Obama because he's black, but that's a minority of a minority. Almost assuredly less than the amount of white people that voted for Willard solely because he's *not* black.

Hmmm, I guess I was wrong. It seems the democratic candidate always has the vast majority of the black vote.

No, you haven't. The only thing you've ever mentioned was that Republicans don't appeal to everyone. You've never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Republicans for Independents and Libertarians. Not once. You've also never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Democrats for Independents and Libertarians. Not once.

I have stated on more than one occasion that Paul's biggest problem is the republican party. You were just caught up in all the Ron Paulness to notice.You don't have to believe it but it's true. As far as as Democrats disregarding him. Can you blame them. The guy was never a threat to them because of the reason I gave already.(they knew he would never get anywhere because he wasn't extreme enough)

[No. You're a closet Democrat in an Independent's clothes. Your stances on the vital issues of actual importance prove as much. Your posting is proof of it. But you're right, Paul will never be president. However, it wasn't because he was "kooky" or because his foreign policy was non-interventionist. It's because the man was disrespected, discounted and discarded by the media, GOP and Democrats alike. If you can't see that, than you've been willfully ignorant this past election. As for Paul's relevance, his message resonated with far more people than the establishment ever gave credit for. He polled better than Romney against Obama and actually beat Obama in most polls. He had the highest military contribution than all the other candidates, COMBINED. Paul was far from un-electable and deep down, you know damn well it's the truth. As for his age, at the age of 77, he is healthier than everyone else who ran. Your refusal to give due credit to the man says more about you than anything trivial you've posted and exposes you for what you really are, a closet Democrat.

I know why paul didn't get elected and never will. You need to get over the fact that not enough people care. You see how that Paul thread you created turned out right? Its time for you to get over it.