If they don't end voter fraud and or do away with the electoral college it could spell the end for the Republican party. They have been losing a lot
of the high electoral vote states because of illegal voting some say tied to illegal immigration. When the Repblicans lose Texas one day, the
Republican Party will cease to exist. They will have lost NJ, NY, CA, Texas, Fl, and ILL forever.

Who plans these tactics? I've been a dem since 92 and no one has ever contacted me to include me in their plans and they know me. I'm involved with
local politics have friends that have run for local offices and some even won lol .
And I'm in swing state Virginia. You think they would call.

Which just proves that there is no secret cabal telling dems when it's time for a push.

Tied to college educated population centers and they tend to vote democrat.
Tied to metropolitan areas that tend to vote democrat.

Not anything to do with voter fraud.

That man has already caused damage to our country with his latest tirade. It's evident. He's cast doubt on our editorial process. This isn't the mud
pit but I've gotten more value from stuff I've scraped off my shoe.

I hope people will pause and read through this comment. I left this info on the Texas/Voting thread, too, but it really should be posted here because
it deals with Florida’s weak, exploitable system of voting laws.

Below, I have illustrated how a person can fraudulently register to vote AND vote, in Florida, without ever offering any ID and without ever having
been verified as eligible to vote.

From Florida’s Voter Registration application:

"New applicants must provide a current and valid Florida driver’s license number (FL DL#) or Florida identification card number (FL ID#). If you do
not have a FL DL# or FL ID#, then you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security number (SSN). If you do not have any of these
numbers, check “None.” If you leave the field and box blank, your new registration may be denied."

So...you do NOT have to provide either number to register to vote, in Florida. If you don't provide either number, then you can just check the box
'None.'

Your registration application may be denied ONLY if you leave BOTH the field for the numbers AND the check box blank.

Check, "None," and you are good to go.

The HAVA makes this provision for people to register to vote who do not have either a DL or a SS#.

(ii) SPECIAL RULE FOR APPLICANTS WITHOUT DRIVER’S LICENSE OR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.—If an applicant for voter registration for an election for
Federal office has not been issued a current and valid driver’s license or a social security number, the State shall assign the applicant a number
which will serve to identify the applicant for voter registration purposes. To the extent that the State has a computerized list in effect under this
subsection and the list assigns unique identifying numbers to registrants, the number assigned under this clause shall be the unique identifying
number assigned under the list. (iii)

DETERMINATION OF VALIDITY OF NUMBERS PROVIDED.—The State shall determine whether the information provided by an individual is sufficient to meet
the requirements of this subparagraph, in accordance with State law.

The HAVA leaves it up to Florida to decide if providing NONE of the numbers is sufficient. They decided it's just fine as long as you check the box
that says 'None."

Florida uses the HAVV system to verify voters. In other words, if you don't provide a DL# or the last four digits of a SS#, then Florida takes no
other action to verify eligibility.

ALSO, if you list a birthdate that shows you are older than 65...then you don't even need ID to register to vote, by mail, in Florida:

So, without offering any ID and without offering any means to verify a voter even exists or is eligible...a person can register successfully to vote,
in Florida, if they claim to be over 65 on their application.

And, a registrant can provide a totally bogus RESIDENTIAL address -- along with a genuine P.O. Box MAILING address -- and election offices will not
get returned mail raising a red flag that the registration is fraudulent:

And, lastly, a person over 65 does not need to provide an ID to vote for the first time (by mail) -- not even if they didn't offer an ID to
register:

This poll today shows Trump has a 2 point lead in Florida. Looks like it's going to be close. I hope it doesn't end up being 2004 recount all over
again. What a nightmare that would be. Much worse than Bush/Gore because it's Trump and he'll never give it up.

Donald Trump has a 2 percentage point edge over Hillary Clinton in Florida, according to a new poll released Wednesday, as both presidential
campaigns blanket the critical swing state in a full sprint to Election Day. A new Bloomberg Politics poll finds Trump ahead of Clinton, 45% to 43% --
well within the poll's 3.2 percentage point margin of error -- in a four-way race among likely voters. Libertarian Gary Johnson gets 4% support, and
Green Party candidate Jill Stein draws 2%. For perspective, President Barack Obama won the state's 29 electoral votes in 2012 by less than a
percentage point.

You have to have a social security number to work, to file a tax return, to get a driver's license so I'm sure most folks will have that and provide
that.
The application does say without it the application may be rejected. I wonder what the exceptions might be. Older women who never worked?

You have to have a social security number to work, to file a tax return, to get a driver's license so I'm sure most folks will have that and provide
that.
The application does say without it the application may be rejected. I wonder what the exceptions might be. Older women who never worked?

The application says if you leave the fields for DL# & SS# blank AND if you don't check the box indicating you have NONE of those numbers THEN your
application might be rejected.

Check the box that says you have NONE and your application won't be rejected.

The HAVA mandates that all states have to accept applications without either number.

(ii) SPECIAL RULE FOR APPLICANTS WITHOUT DRIVER’S LICENSE OR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.—If an applicant for voter registration for an election for
Federal office has not been issued a current and valid driver’s license or a social security number, the State shall assign the applicant a number
which will serve to identify the applicant for voter registration purposes. To the extent that the State has a computerized list in effect under this
subsection and the list assigns unique identifying numbers to registrants, the number assigned under this clause shall be the unique identifying
number assigned under the list. (iii)

DETERMINATION OF VALIDITY OF NUMBERS PROVIDED.—The State shall determine whether the information provided by an individual is sufficient to meet
the requirements of this subparagraph, in accordance with State law.

Florida uses the HAVV system to verify voters, meaning they do not verify any info other than DL# and SS# IF they are provided.

ETA: Also, you don't have to provide a reason for not having either number.

It doesn't say that. Sorry. It doesn't say anywhere that you provided that if you check anything your application won't be rejected.
As a matter of fact it doesn't outline any scenario where an application won't be rejected.

Only where it might be.
And the might be includes not providing either a check in that box or your SS number.

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