Our big issue here is that the US politicians, don't want us to have a free society.
Gunmen like this coward don't want us to have a free society.

Same in Europe, muslims can rape children and not be stopped,so many people in Europe are looking for strong leadership just like Germany in the 30s,
and the same is going to happen again, only this time with the muslims.Im happy im old and sick and wont live to see the mess

@ Liqu - "on the radar" is a very unspecific way of saying they had some degree of knowledge about him. It could mean anything from "we have a contact
report from 2011 that his name is in" to "we've done a black bag job on his residence and were watching him daily." And anything in between.

It'll be incredibly interesting to learn, if we do, just how "on the radar" he was.

Don't import from countries where this is a known issue until we can figure out how to clean it up.

Do it for the safety of the current citizens of all faiths and those who have none. We wouldn't like to be Bangladesh where they regularly hack to
death atheist bloggers and lately have taken to also hacking up Hindus too.

a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here
illegally should not have the same freedoms.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
1Was this guy on a watch list?
2Was that watchlist to do with groups lik Al qaeda and IS and such?
3Was this guy allowed to buy guns legally?
4WHY?
5 Why in the hell are you guys still paying a wage to the employees of the NSA. ?

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here
illegally should not have the same freedoms.

Terrorism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal.

I propose that - instead of getting caught up in speculation over this coward's 'exact' religious affiliation, sexual orientation, or the semantics of
what people consider "true" Islam - we move this thread in a direction of actual purpose...

This was an act of terrorism, regardless of the above details being argued over. The news of this is absolutely horrible and tragic; and, similar mass
shootings are popping up in the news WAY too often these days.

Does anyone posting or reading this thread have any actionable steps, or even theories, as to how we can prevent - even one - of these mass shootings
in the future?? I realize this is opening Pandora's Box of a vast range of ideals and personal opinions; but, at least we could *hopefully* start a
discussion on the simple facts of this atrocious incident, and how it may have been curtailed! Anyone feel the same??

@ Liqu - "on the radar" is a very unspecific way of saying they had some degree of knowledge about him. It could mean anything from "we have a contact
report from 2011 that his name is in" to "we've done a black bag job on his residence and were watching him daily." And anything in between.

It'll be incredibly interesting to learn, if we do, just how "on the radar" he was.

I would hope he was being watched closely if he somehow acquired all those weapons. However if he was being watched closely, you would think this
would have been squashed before anything major occured.

I have never heard of a drug gangster strap a bomb to themselves and take hostages...this is more of a terrorist plot...aka Muslim threat most
likely

Why MUST it be Muslim 1st?
I live in Scotland my friend. We don't 'auto-think' like this.
Go back to 9/11 and Bin Laden and Al Qeada were blamed before the 2nd plane hit.

Everything aside this is all just very tragic.
My heart and thoughts go out to everyone who WE lost, and the families and friends who are left to suffer.
Thousands of people will suffer for life now. I live a Gun free Culture, we seen and discovered a LONG TIME AGO guns for Police or Public was not a
smart move and over time guns left cultures all over Europe and further...

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here
illegally should not have the same freedoms.

This guys parents sure did raise a fine bigoted boy it seems.

Islam is not a religion. It's conquering framework with aspirations of global domination. It's NOT a religion. It merely has a religious tone.
Make no mistake. It must be destroyed.

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