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rejean

Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

If, by anticipating such a relation 'in our heart' we are aldulterous… Are we a murderer if we anticipate the destruction of what we call 'wicked man'. Especially after reading that "Love is patient, is kind. (…) is not taking account of evil,is not rejoicing in injustice, (…)is believing all, is expecting all, is enduring all." 1 Corinthians 13:5

If "God is Love" 1 John 4:8… To believe in the destruction of someone is a blaphemy.

rejean

The "Perfecter of our faith." Jesus is called "the Chief Agent [Chief Leader] and Perfecter of our faith." (Heb 12:2) True, long before the coming of Jesus Christ, Abraham's faith was "perfected" by his works of faith and obedience, so that he gained God's approval and became party with God in an oath-bound covenant. (Jas 2:21-23; Ge 22:15-18) But the faith of all those men of faith living prior to Jesus' earthly ministry was incomplete, or imperfect, in the sense of their not understanding the then unfulfilled prophecies regarding him as God's Seed and Messiah. (1Pe 1:10-12) By his birth, ministry, death, and resurrection to heavenly life, these prophecies came to fulfillment, and the faith about Christ had a strengthened foundation, one filled out with historical facts. Thus, faith in this perfected sense "arrived" through Christ Jesus (Ga 3:24, 25), who thereby proved to be the "leader" (AT), "pioneer" (Mo), or Chief Agent of our faith. He continued to be the Perfecter of the faith of his followers from his heavenly position, by pouring down holy spirit on them at Pentecost and by imparting revelations that progressively filled out and developed their faith.—Ac 2:32, 33; Heb 2:4; Re 1:1, 2; 22:16; Ro 10:17. We live this time... Your body might not be perfect, your intelect might not be complete, but your spirit should be completely perfect and constantly faithfull. 1 thessalonissians 5:23 is happening!

rejean

In 1 Thassalonians 5:23 we read "may the (1)spirit and (2)soul and (3)body of you brothers be preserved in a blameless manner at the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ"

This is the 3 componant of a human being. At the Creation, God made Adam with(1) body + (2) breath of life = 'living soul' . Notice that the Bible says the animal are 'living souls' Also! So The body is Physical, What makes the body alive with its capacity to survive, to see, hear ect.. is in that 'breath of life'. For example, In that 'breath of life, a beaver will have the instinct to built a water dam. For us it is our 'mental', 'intelect'.

The third element made us like God... feelings, motivation, notion of eternity, qualities ect.

The breath of Jesus on the disciples is different than God's breath at Creation of 'living things'. Jesus's was the (3) element. The Spirit or God's Active Force.Thank you, Rejean

Gizmo

Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Jesus taught the pureness of the law in it's intent to condemn all of humanity with it. The law makes being human illegal. Who hasn't lusted after someone even once? Or been angry?

Fortunately, He paid the price and took away the law. There is nothing left to condemn us since there is no law. We are all holy and right with him, lacking nothing. No one is destroyed...all are reconciled and right with Him!!! Praise God!!

Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

If, by anticipating such a relation 'in our heart' we are aldulterous… Are we a murderer if we anticipate the destruction of what we call 'wicked man'. Especially after reading that "Love is patient, is kind. (…) is not taking account of evil,is not rejoicing in injustice, (…)is believing all, is expecting all, is enduring all." 1 Corinthians 13:5

If "God is Love" 1 John 4:8… To believe in the destruction of someone is a blaphemy.

Now let us not be confused here, let me ask a clarifying question.

1) Are you stating that to believe in the general destruction of someone as an evil intent in your heart for vengence is a blasphemy?

or

2) Are you stating that to believe in the fact that the harvest for the wicked is their own destruction, a fact seperate from our own intentions, is blasphemy?

or

3) Are you stating that there is no such thing as the destruction of a person, whether fact or intention, to think so is blasphemy?

rejean

When we attempt to introduce sin into God's world as a weakness on God's part, we are thereby destroying any concept of a Sovereign God, especially One Who is worthy of worship.

What we teach about the fate of the wicked, is a reflection of our understanding of God's solution to the Sin Problem. Destruction is an evil solution. Such a God might well be feared, but could never be loved.

Affirming that God is going to do such unGodlike things, in spite of Eph.1:10 ,Colossians 1:20, Philippians 2:9-11, is a perverse paternal care for His creatures! He would destroy the greater part of His own creation, and then go on for ever in perfect peace and heavenly bliss, with no sense of pain or emptiness of heart over the loss of countless millions of the souls for whom He sent Christ to die!

I think you have eternal torment on the brain rajean. Destruction is not an evil solution, it was an evil solution under the God of Eternal Torment. If all mankind is saved and all things restored, which we affirm to be true, then destruction is part of the creation God created and those who are destroyed need healing and resurrection. The wicked do raise up to eternal destruction, they find all they ever had built laid to waste because in God there is no wickedness and no room for what the wicked have built. God's wrath is against all ungodliness and wickedness of mankind, and some people are stubbornly storing up wrath against them. Scripture also states that God set this plan up in order that we may know that sin is utterly sinful but at the same time, see Life which we did not see. Once set free from the bonds of darkness which held us, we have an obligation not to walk by the flesh but by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh. So destruction is not evil, nor is it an evil solution; it is only evil in the hands of an evil God, and an evil solution in the hands of an evil God.

GraceFull

Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Jesus taught the pureness of the law in it's intent to condemn all of humanity with it. The law makes being human illegal. Who hasn't lusted after someone even once? Or been angry?

Fortunately, He paid the price and took away the law. There is nothing left to condemn us since there is no law. We are all holy and right with him, lacking nothing. No one is destroyed...all are reconciled and right with Him!!! Praise God!!

When I quipped "I breathe, therefore I sin" this was not intimated to imply breathing as sin. Rather, the concept was this: All men who walk this earth do 2 things, they breathe, and they sin. You can name all the saints you like, they all have sinned, of that I am certain. Yes, I can think of exactly one exception to this concept, but I am not He, and neither are you. Therefore, I breathe, therefore I sin is applicable to everyone today. I am certain when God "breathed" it was not in the same sense as our own.