#10433 San Francisco Bay, sold in 1958 to CN #2070 Val St. Patrice, rebuilt in 1973 to baggage-14RM dormitory #9475. Current status unknown.

NYC 10433 "San Francisco Bay" has been found again. Up for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar in their upcoming auction on 12/2/2015. Sitting at Chanute, KS next to the SKO (Watco). Unsure who the current owner is. Richard Longpre bought it in 95 after VIA retired these. $1000 staring bid, and according to OMR it is interchangeable.

Ordered in March 1944 and delivered between April and June 1948. 30 parlor seats and 10 lounge seats in the observation end.

#66 listed byLinkas retired inAugust 1966and sold to KCS, listed byRandallas retired in1964and sold to NdeM. Not listed byWayner, so sale to NdeM might be incorrect, or the car was never placed into service. Current status unknown.

As posted by Brian Norden in the "Budd Observation Cars" thread, the #66 is now located in Vernon, CA, at the southeast corner of Alameda and Vernon. Now the question is, who exactly acquired the #66 from NYC, and when?

On Monday, June 8th, 2015, 6th Post on Page #8, Rainier Rails wrote:

Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Diners:

Grill-Diners:

18 Cars, Budd, Lot #9644-004, 1948, NYC Lot #2178:

Ordered in March 1944 and delivered between March and May 1948. #450-#466 were built with 20 aisle-facing seats in the "grill" section at 8 tables, and 24 seats in a traditional dining section at 6 tables. The 10 cars remaining in service in 1973 were sold to Amtrak. Link lists different dates to Amtrak for each car, these dates might represent when the car was actually renumbered. Some of the dates listed by Link are from 1972, and 1 is as late as 1978. By 1972, with the continued PC bankruptcy proceedings and Amtrak negotiating what equipment would be acquired, it might've already been agreed that these 10 cars would be sold to Amtrak, effective 1973, hence some cars having already been renumbered, in advance.

#466 to PC #4566 to Amtrak #8338 in May 1974 (Link), converted in November 1980 to HEP #8514, in my notes I have this car as stored in2007, whileWarnerlists it as retired inJanuary 2007, subsequently sold (when??) to ITAX, then to Gateway as MRLX #8514. Current status unknown.

The #8514 has been renumbered to MRLX #466 and placed in lease service to Iowa Pacific in IC Chocolate & Orange (I'm assuming this is a vinyl application over the stainless). Used in the consist of the Polar Express on Iowa Pacific's Grenada RY (former IC/CN Grenada Sub), as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5TAdb86EiQ

_________________Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

50 cars ordered in September 1945, and 50 more cars ordered in December 1945. Cars delivered between October 1946 and May 1947. Almost all cars received PC lettering with the same numbers, excluding 5 cars previously retired due to possibly being wrecked (Randall). All equipped with full-width end doors.

Regarding the 5 cars previously retired, the 5 years of retirement listed are not attached to any specific car, but listed in order of year, so the retirement years given below for those 5 should be considered the possible years for such, but still uncertain.

#9100 retired in 1953, believed to have been wrecked.

#9101 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1217 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17013, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9102 to Amtrak #1180 in 1974, converted in June 1979 to HEP #1150, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9103 to Amtrak #1181 in 1974, converted in August 1981 to HEP #1141, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.Randalllists #1181 as ex-#9108.

#9104 to American Freedom Train in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #110, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #13 and named Conflict and Resolution, later resold to UP as #A207, then #920004, and scrapped in 1995

#9105 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1218 (not applied), then planned as #1126 (not applied), rebuilt in 1979 to HEP power car #696, later sold to the Vermont RY as power-baggage #9105.

#9106 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1219 (not applied), then planned as #1127 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 and used as a storage shed on the NEC, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9107 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1220 (not applied), then planned as #1128 (not applied), listed for sale in July 1982, acquired at an unknown date by Northern Star Rails/Friends of the 261 as baggage-concessions NSRX #9107 and named Shoreview, leased to CP as #100.

#9108. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote). Randalllists this as becoming Amtrak #1181 instead of #9103.

#9109. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9110 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1210 (not applied), then planned as #1120 (not applied), listed for sale in July 1982, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9111 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1211 (not applied), then planned as #1121 (not applied), retired in July 1981, subsequently sold to Conrail and used as a storage shed in Reynoldsville, OH, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9112 to Amtrak #1182 in 1974, planned for conversion in circa 1981 to HEP #1142, which was cancelled, stored at Beech Grove in October 1979, sold in the 1980's to a private owner in Delaware, OH, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9113 to Amtrak #1183 in 1974, converted in June 1979 to HEP #1151, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9114 to Amtrak in 1976, might not have been actually owned by Amtrak, planned as #1216 (not applied), then planned as #1125 (not applied), planned for conversion in circa 1979 to a #69x-series HEP power car, which was cancelled, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9115 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #104, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #7 and named Origins, later resold to UP as #A213, then #920010, and scrapped in 1995.

#9116 to Amtrak #1184 in 1974, listed by Warner converted in December 1979 (Palmieri lists 1980) to HEP #1158, listed for sale in March 1992, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9117 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1221 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17014, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9118 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1212 (not applied), then planned as #1122 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 and used as a storage shed on the NEC, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9119 to Amtrak #1185 in 1974, converted in September 1981 to HEP #1143, sold in October 2005 to an unknown party, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9120 to Amtrak #1186 in 1974, converted in September 1981 to HEP #1144, listed for sale in February 1993, acquired by the Great Smoky Mountains RR as #1144.

#9121 to Amtrak #1187 in 1974, converted in October 1981 to HEP #1145, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9122. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9123 to Amtrak #1188 in 1974, listed by Warner converted in December 1979 (Palmieri lists 1980) to HEP #1155, retired in September 1988, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9124 to Amtrak #1189 in 1974, wrecked in 1976 (train, date, and location unknown), subsequently sold in 1977 to George Champney & Company, presumed scrapped.

#9125 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1222 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17015, acquired in the 1990's by the RR Museum of PA.

#9126 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1223 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17016, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9127 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1224 (not applied), then planned as #1129 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17064, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9128 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #101, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #4 and named The Beginning, later resold to UP as #A216, then #920013, and scrapped in 1995.

#9129 to Amtrak #1190 in 1974, planned for conversion in circa 1981 to HEP #1146, which was cancelled, stored at Beech Grove in 1977, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9130 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1225 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17017, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9131 to Amtrak #1191 in 1974, converted in June 1979 to HEP #1152, retired in February 1989, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9132 to Amtrak #1192 in 1974, listed by Warner as converted in December 1979 (Palmieri lists 1980) to HEP #1157, listed for sale in February 1993, acquired by the Collis P. Huntington Chapter NRHS as HUNX #1157.

#9133 to AFT in 1974, modified to laundry and storage car #99, later #20, later #33, later resold to Chessie System as Chessie Steam Special #33, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9134 to Amtrak in 1976, might not have been actually owned by Amtrak, planned as #1226 (not applied), then planned as #1130 (not applied), planned for conversion in circa 1979 to a #69x-series HEP power car, which was cancelled, retired in 1981, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9135 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #105, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #8 and named Innovations, later resold to UP as #A212, then #920009, and scrapped in 1995.

#9136 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1227 (not applied), then planned as #1131 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17057, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9137 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to showcase car #40, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #2, later resold to UP as #A218, then #920015, and scrapped in 1995.

#9138 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #107, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #10 and named Sports, later resold to UP as #A210, then #920007, and scrapped in 1995.

#9139 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #108, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #11 and named Performing Arts, later resold to UP as #A209, then #920006, and scrapped in 1995.

#9140 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1213 (not applied), then planned as #1123 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17059, acquired in the 1990's by the RR Museum of PA.

#9141 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1228 (not applied), then planned as #1132 (not applied), planned for conversion in circa 1979 to a #69x-series HEP power car, which was cancelled, to MofW department in July 1981 as #17045, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9142 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1229 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17018, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9143 wrecked (derailed) on SOU train #6 on the RF&P at Potomac Yard in Alexandria, VA, on 4-27-1972, to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1230 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17019, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9144 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1231 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17020, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9145. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9146 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1232 (not applied), then as #1133 (not applied), planned for conversion in circa 1979 to a #69x-series HEP power car, which was cancelled, to MofW department in July 1981 as #17046, acquired in the 1990's by the RR Museum of PA.

#9147 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1214 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17021, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9148 retired in 1959, believed to have been wrecked.

#9149 to Amtrak #1193 in 1974, converted in July 1979 to HEP #1153, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9150 retired in 1964, believed to have been wrecked.

#9151 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1215 (not applied), then planned as #1124 (not applied), rebuilt in 1979 to HEP power car #693, stored at Beech Grove in the 1980's, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9152 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to showcase car #41, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #3, later resold to UP as #A217, then #920014, and scrapped in 1995.

#9153 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1233 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17022, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9154. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9155 to Amtrak in 1976, might not have been actually owned by Amtrak, planned as #1234 (not applied), then planned as #1134 (not applied), retired in July 1981, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9156 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #106, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #9 and named Human Resources, later resold to UP as #A211, then #920008, and scrapped in 1995.

#9157 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1235 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17023, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9158 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #102, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #5 and named Exploration and Expansion, later resold to UP as #A215, then #920012, and scrapped in 1995.

#9159 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1236 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17024, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9160. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9161 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1237 (not applied), then planned as #1135 (not applied), planned for conversion in circa 1979 to a #69x-series HEP power car, which was cancelled, to MofW department in 1981 and used as a storage shed on the NEC, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9162 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1238 (not applied), then planned as #1136 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 and used as a storage shed on the NEC, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9163 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to security control-buffer-entrance car #100, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #1, later resold to UP as #A219, then #920016, and scrapped in 1995.

#9164 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1239 (not applied), then planned as #1137 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17065, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9165 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #109, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #12 and named Fine Arts, later resold to UP as #A208, then #920005, and scrapped in 1995.

#9166 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1240 (not applied), then planned as #1138 (not applied), rebuilt in 1979 to HEP power car #694, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9167. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9168. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9169 to Amtrak #1194 in 1974, listed by Warner converted in December 1979 (Palmieri lists 1980) to HEP #1156, listed for sale in February 1993, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9170 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1241 (not applied), then planned as #1139 (not applied), rebuilt in 1979 to HEP power car #695, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9171 to Amtrak #1195 in 1974, planned for conversion in circa 1981 to HEP #1147, which was cancelled, stored at Beech Grove at an unknown date, retired and sold in 1983 to an unknown party, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9172 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1242 (not applied), then planned as #1140 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17063, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9173 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1243 (not applied), then planned as #1141 (not applied), stored at Beech Grove at an unknown date, retired in July 1982, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9174 retired in 1966, believed to have been wrecked.

#9175 to Amtrak #1196 in 1974, converted in August 1979 to HEP #1154, retired in December 1985, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9176. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9177 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1244 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17025, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9178 to AFT in 1974 and rebuilt to display car #103, resold in 1983 to Canada Discovery Train as #6 and named Growth of the Nation, later resold to UP as #A214, then #920011, and scrapped in 1995.

#9179 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1245 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17026, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9180 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1246 (not applied), then planned as #1142 (not applied), to MofW department in the 1980's as #17088, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9181 to Amtrak #1197 in 1974, planned for conversion in circa 1981 to HEP #1148, which was cancelled, stored at Beech Grove at an unknown date, sold in September 1984 to an unknown party in Colonie, NY, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9182 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1247 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17027, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9183 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1248 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17028, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9184 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1249 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17029, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9185 retired in 1968, believed to have been wrecked.

#9186. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9187 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1250 (not applied), then planned as #1143 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 and used as a storage shed on the NEC, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9188 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1251 (not applied), then planned as #1144 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17079, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9189 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1252 (not applied), then planned as #1145 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17080, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9190. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9191 to Amtrak #1198 in 1974, planned for conversion in circa 1981 to HEP #1149, which was cancelled, to MofW department in 1981 as #17083, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9192 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1253 (not applied), then planned as #1146 (not applied), to MofW department in July 1981 as #17066, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9193. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9194. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9195 to Amtrak #1199 in 1974, retired in July 1981, subsequently sold in 1983 to a Mr. Biship, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9196. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9197. Either scrapped or one of two cars sold to AFT whose NYC numbers are unknown (see footnote).

#9198 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1254 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17030, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

#9199 to Amtrak in 1976, planned as #1255 (not applied), to MofW department in March 1977 as #17031, no further disposition information. Current status unknown.

Footnote regarding cars sold to AFT: of the 2 cars acquired by AFT whose former NYC #91xx-series numbers are unknown, one became power car-dormitory #200, and is now UPP #205, and the other became power car #111, was later UPP #206, was resold in 2001 to Dave Varilek, then resold later that year to the Museum of America's Freedom Trains, and was resold in 2004 to the Pacific RR Preservation Association/Friends of the 700 as PRPX #111. Both of these cars had also been resold to the Canada Discovery Train, and were then also resold to UP. All other cars which reference this footnote are presumed to have been scrapped, except that the AFT website lists that 2 additional #91xx-series cars were acquired, but were not modified/rebuilt for use: one was scrapped (trucks [and possibly other parts?] saved), and the second is now in Willits, CA. The NYC numbers for these 2 additional cars are also unknown, for a total of 4.

Existing cars: one car whose NYC or Amtrak number is unknown is/was stored on the San Diego & Arizona Eastern at Jacumba, CA, along with a AT&SF (later Amtrak) leg rest chair (coach), also # unknown (which was leased to the San Bernardino RHS at one time). I also don't have info on the current/past ownership for either of these.

Ted, I beg to differ on this; many, if not most of the cars that wound up as MOW or mechanical dept storage cars, scattered around the Northeast Corridor area, retained the NYC lettering and solid dark gray body, until they met their demise (usually scrapped on site).

Ted, I beg to differ on this; many, if not most of the cars that wound up as MOW or mechanical dept storage cars, scattered around the Northeast Corridor area, retained the NYC lettering and solid dark gray body, until they met their demise (usually scrapped on site).

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