Originally posted by mopusvindictus
I suppose you know where to find me and I am totally serious and can comfortably pass a psychological and physical exam.

Sorry you wouldn't qualify... you would be too biased and thus would not evaluate people accurately... because you would already have made up your
mind about their 'state of health' because they say things you don't want to hear..

To be an effective disinfo agent you would have to be able to convince CTers that your one of them... and slip them some real facts to get them
hooked... or your credibility would vanish in a flash...

Hard core skepticism is just the reverse side of blind faith: both depend on being outside rather than inside a situation, and one leads to the
other.

It is the insiders that are the true players... and those are important

Originally posted by InfaRedMan Half the stuff you read on this site is all poppycock anyhow, and probably gives them something to laugh
about over morning tea!

Perhaps... but the OTHER HALF is why comments at ATS ARE important... If this wasn't true ATS would not have so quickly become the world leading
Conspiracy site...

Just because you as a skeptic do not snoop around official sites looking for clues to what they are doing, doesn't mean others don't.

Personally I have to wonder why people such as yourself that do not believe in CT theories and are hardcore skeptics even bother to come to such a
site... what is it you seek? What is it you hope to accomplish?

Call us "America Haters" lunatics and other such names... what does that accomplish? All it does is show me that there are mindless sheep in the
world...

Your not likely to change my mind... any more than I am likely to change yours... but what is accomplished by endless comments from skeptics on how
crazy 'we' are?

What does it add to the topic at hand (no matter what topic)?

Personally I think you all are closet CTers but don't want your friends to get the wrong idea....

People forget one thing... Let the government "Track" people openly discussing topics. If the government elects (ironic use of words considering
the current administration) to then imprison people for this right I say GO FOR IT! How many prisons can be built if everyone stands up for their
rights? How many voices can be silenced if everyone speaks (what ever they believe)? How much money would it cost the government to carry out such
actions? GO FOR IT! Start your political end. Cause civil (another ironic term) unrest or, dare I say it, civil war. We The People were given these
rights and let no man (or woman) take them from us. Life... liberty... and the persuit of happiness.

I agree with you. People do far more to intimidate and silence themselves, then is ever imposed upon them. I believe there is a
climate that encourages self-censorship, even in the most 'free' of countries -- that is what must be recognized. The examples given
by much of the mainstream media, of a constant viscous battle over idealogical stances, does far more to intimidate than inform. The
underlaying message: if you have an opinion that isn't widely accepted as 'obviously correct', within the accepted polarization, you will be
attacked from all sides, with every rhetorical angle exploited to undermine you. Most people fear this, and simply shut the hell up.

But the reality is that if they want you gone, you are gone. Live your life with integrity and face up to the consequences, however unfair. To fear
the government is to be a coward, which is a fate worse than death.

Bravo, excellent and inspiringly invictive. But also to the point: realize there is a large difference between what can be done,
hypothetically, with regards to surveillance and monitoring, and what those who may possess such capabilities might be willing to reveal is
actually done, via action.

basicaly yes but they wont take the time to come see what you do/say in here unless u've triggered a particular interest in
them... they use node based sniffers each ISP in america and all the main net routers has a node running that sniff stuff and looks for trigger words
if a trigger word is found the email/post will be copied and analysed if what was said tick them off then they can start actively monitoring ur data
even tho u hash an email/post/file into different files and send it accross multiple networks what they use can reassemble it all Carnivor used to be
able to do it like 15 years ago so i'll let ur imagination at work figure out what Echelon can do today... using anomysers wont really work because
the anomyser is located somewhere on the net and they sniff right at the source at your ISP look below ur gonna understand better

You -> ISP *sniffer node* -> Proxy -> ATS

there's no real ways to hide from them man with the stuff i know i can confirm at 100% that there's NO such thing as privacy on the internet... even
tho you could encrypt then tunnel ALL your data starting right at your localhost pipe it through a TCP tunnel from your PC to a Shell running Unix
somewhere else on the net and have the shell decrypt stuff from there and point the connection to a website they could see where the encrypted data is
going then all they would need to do is locate the router the Unix shell is running on then MITM everything between the shell and the URL u'r trying
to access and they'd get ur post or data still... dont forget that 80% of the whole internet is hosted in the US so until this change big brother's
got a hand on ur nutsack and he and squeezing it good dude... even windows itself is backdoored on purpose for use by the police or governement... so
welcome to the red list my friend

Thanks, I understood all of that except the acronym 'MITM'; what's that mean?

Also, it's wisest to consider that keyword triggered 'sniffers' are a thing of the past, a compromise based on limited relative computation
capacity. Why not go whole hog?

For example, you may think 'well I have a 100GB hard drive and no one could track all of that data'. However, how much of the data on your
hard drive is unique, when looking at the set of 'all installed machines'? All the system files, common applications, downloads, etc., exist
in multiple places, on multiple machines. Why do more than identify 'this user has this common file', when constructing an terminal-state image,
relative to the Internet as a whole?

I've run 'duplicate file' calculations on a typical Windows installation, you would be amazed at the amount of reported redundancy in the
file system layout....

I estimate that the complete activity log, of the changes a user affects to their system state in a single day, could easily be represented
with less than 50KB of data, when correlated to a world-wide database of 'common files', and deltas thereof.

Have a look into government sponsorship of research initiatives into data checksumming and 'digesting' functions, al-la 'MD5'.

Edit to add: Oh! I guessed! MITM = "Man In The Middle" (research some cyptography sploits if this doesn't make sense)

Yikes, I started this thread when I was a newbie here.
I'm a little embarrassed that it's been resurrected.
The nice people before you were very helpful in putting this question to bed, at least for me.

MITM means Man In The Middle, trigger words are still very well in use doesnt mean its old that it ain't still effective, but yeah there's hundreds
of new crap they have such as behavior tracking they've even invested in millions in Van Eck's discovery when he figured out how to point a
directional antenna at a monitor from a certain distance and see what was displayed on the monitor it worked a bit long ago and it was hard to see #
but with multiple millions and a bunch of guys working on it im pretty sure they can friggen do it from satellites now...

Ah, well that's the thing -- many topics surface every few months or so on ATS. There's no shame in repeating one's opinion. In fact, say
say again, until disproven. Those who would hear, with new ears, our 'conspiratorial rantings' are worthy: not of less consideration,
because the topic is old (but new to them), but rather more. For we should have, in our periods between repetition, considered and honed our
thoughts and explanations. Lest we fall victim to assumptive rhetoric. Please I ask again: someone prove me wrong!

Ian, I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.
Are you saying that it is worth it revisiting old thoughts in long extinguished threads to grasp an awareness of how we might have grown since?
Because that is a very valid point which I agree with.
Or are you saying that we should do to see if our behavior since has honored the opinions and positions we then proclaimed.
Or might you be saying something that I'm not getting.

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