Phoenixtigers18 wrote:Ill pose a question to you, if potter is not a fan of the no look pass etc why not hook benji and bring on sironen to 5/8???? He clearly can't motivate his players. How he left anasta/benji on the field last week is another example of him obviously not having a plan! His use of the bench is terrible at best! Be nice to hear some truths at these press conferences to actually show us he gives a crap that his so called 'game plan' has been not carried out!!!!

He got slammed for benching benji once by the media. All week. It was terrible. They crucified him. What do you think it will be like dropping benji altogether in his last 4 or 5 games when we have no chance anyway ? It would be much worse.

You are a fool to think this potters fault. A rookie coach in his first year at a club that is a shambles. Not to mention the fact they were playing the same brand of football last year under a coach we won a premiership with.

I don't really want to start bagging Potter, he deserves next year to show us what he can do post clean out. SOme of these players have really got so bad that they are leaving a stench in the place. Similarly I see little value in Royce Simmons, Georgallis and maybe Skando. Potter with his own coaches, and a newish if young side as least has a chance to mould his own team.

For the most part I have been supportive of him. He has improved some of our young guys and cleared out some of our dead wood. However I am getting worried about the last months performances and the lack of motivation. Followed by the dead pan press conferences. The lack of connection he has with Farah and Fulton in there for me seems a bit of a worry. Robbie never mentioned him as one of the reasons he re-signed for 4 years. I haven't seen any great support from the players for the coach. There doesn't look a great bond although it is always tough to when your losing.

Based on this year i wouldn't be sacking Potter, nor would I be extending his deal. Lets see how we fare under him next season. Progress towards the Top 8 and in defence/playing style and he can gain an extension. More performances like today, and a similar league position and we can throw some of our money in 2015 maybe at a high profile coach.

Well is he his own coach or not!!! You said it yourself we are playing the same brand of football so the question is why do we even have him. If we are playing the same type of game that got sheens the flick why are we still playing that way???? At least the players liked sheens!! Could cop coming 15th if we were trying to adapt to a new style but we aren't.

Phoenixtigers18 wrote:Well is he his own coach or not!!! You said it yourself we are playing the same brand of football so the question is why do we even have him. If we are playing the same type of game that got sheens the flick why are we still playing that way???? At least the players liked sheens!! Could cop coming 15th if we were trying to adapt to a new style but we aren't.

Under Sheens they were only show ponies, rep wise hardly any reached the best sides on merit. You make me laugh with the comment, is he his own coach.
I have a question for you, who was the last trainer to win a Melbourne cup with a show pony.
Mate you can't change the style with this stable, but with new blood anything is possible.

Phoenixtigers18 wrote:Well is he his own coach or not!!! You said it yourself we are playing the same brand of football so the question is why do we even have him. If we are playing the same type of game that got sheens the flick why are we still playing that way???? At least the players liked sheens!! Could cop coming 15th if we were trying to adapt to a new style but we aren't.

Did you even read my post. Read all of it next time. We are playing the same brand of footy because they are not sticking to a plan. It is adlib footy. Always has been with benji in the side. Had a bit of success in 10 11 but was never going to last. You will always shoot yourself in the foot with that stile of play.

He is his own coach and he proved earlier this year when he did the 'unforgivable' in just benching him.
Getting rid of potter would be another dumb decision by the club.

Ok, so we will all sit back and applaud mick potter for giving us absolutely no change no nothing run 15th and be happy about. Surely he can come up with a defensive structure better than the one that he has. Oh that's right it usually the teams that support the coach that put in more effort. We aren't trying and sorry some of that has to fall onto the coach. I never said sack him but if we don't see something midway through next year something has to be done of we will be battling parra for the spoon for the next 3 years

Phoenixtigers18 wrote:Ok, so we will all sit back and applaud mick potter for giving us absolutely no change no nothing run 15th and be happy about. Surely he can come up with a defensive structure better than the one that he has. Oh that's right it usually the teams that support the coach that put in more effort. We aren't trying and sorry some of that has to fall onto the coach. I never said sack him but if we don't see something midway through next year something has to be done of we will be battling parra for the spoon for the next 3 years

When have I applauded him? When have I said I am happy about what's going on? No I'm not. No I'm no applauding him.

I'm simply smart enough to know he is not to blame. He hasn't even had 1 year for f&$"$ sake.

Well I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you. I am not into having him sacked and I often think that far too much blame goes to coaches, I'm just frustrated that people (not you) blow spoke up his arse and we are 15th and getting worse not better. I understand our roster is not great (and we are stuck playing benji) but look at say Penrith and their roster and they may not make the 8 but they are improving. That is what I would expect from us next year

I guess the proof in the pudding will be next year, both in the performances of the tigers and those players he has let go.
By the way apart from benji (who wanted to leave who was actually offered an upgrade and extension) and ayshford which of the top17 have been offloaded? So what is this clean out I keep reading of.

coopy wrote:I agree Tim Sheens had to move on but to put in a rookie coach with a dysfunctional board and a team with "strong" personalities may not have been the right move (understanding he was probably the best from a poor field).

Mate there are only 3 kinds of coaches:
1) the good ones (employed)
2) the rookie ones
3) the ordinary ones (unemployed)

For starters Potter is no rookie, even if he hasn't coached NRL before. The replacements being bandied about - Walters, Barrett, Parish - they are all genuine rookies.

Or you can go find an experienced coach who is currently not a head , see how that goes - Brian Smith, Chris Anderson, Royce Simmons, Peter Sharp, Steve Folkes.

Let's be realistic here - any coach, even the worst ones in the world, need minimum two years to prove their worth. First year to take what they inherited and try to mould it, second year to produce.

We have peanuts to pay a coach with, and Potter took the deal. When Sheensie finally gets paid out end of next year (egads) we can reassess Potter's two-year run and make a decision then.

if thats the best potter can come up with in attack and defence then he needs to join benji and anasta and leave the club. and dont all jump on the band wagon that he has nothing to work with they are all 1st grade paid players either preform or drop them POTTER, that what u get paid to do.

If the wests tigers employed Barrett ,who is another show pony I would not support the club anymore . FFS give potter a chance with the players he wants and the coaching staff he employs ... It's time to move the entire coaching staff on .

Phoenixtigers18 wrote:Well is he his own coach or not!!! You said it yourself we are playing the same brand of football so the question is why do we even have him. If we are playing the same type of game that got sheens the flick why are we still playing that way???? At least the players liked sheens!! Could cop coming 15th if we were trying to adapt to a new style but we aren't.

I'm still a believer that he needs time, but this is a results driven business and if we miss out again next yr, with him being off-contract i think he'll struggle getting a new one.

I always said that the guy who came in after Sheens would have to be a sacrificial lamb to clean up the mess he left, and here we are. I have a feeling someone else will reap the rewards of the work that Potter is putting in atm.