Update 6/7: With two months out, here's the final distribution. Sign up people! It's quiz bowl at a house on the beach for crying out loud. So far, it's not looking like the house will be rented out for early August, which is a very good thing, though let me know if people would be cool with moving it back a day - that would work slightly better for me (meaning 8/9-8/10). As for the novelty tournaments, I'm commissioning four separate 75 tossup sets - these may or may not be used at the ACE camps - they will certainly be used at JSO: The Western Cannon (Euro military history 1500-1900), Vercingetorix's Revenge (Ancient History), Eastern Bloc Party (Eastern Europe and CIS geography) and Country Club Bowl (what it sounds like). I may see if we can mirror Chicago History Doubles and/or Hats Off too.

Notes: Don't write fewer than 475 or more than 625 characters a tossup! And keep the difficulty within the bounds of a standard undergrad-only college tournament! HSNCT difficulty works well. Is this a little social studies heavy? Probably, but, well, I run the National History Bowl and have a graduate degree in international relations so what did you expect?

Greetings all,The National History Bee and Bowl is pleased to sponsor the first annual Jersey Shore Open on Monday, August 8 and Tuesday August 9 in Mantoloking, NJ. Anyone who has graduated from high school is welcome to attend, though space for now will be limited to the first forty people (including NHBB staff) who sign up (this may be expanded, but if so, then only to about 50, max). Coaches are especially welcome to attend. The inaugural JSO will feature the following unusual features:-It will be held in a private home directly on the beach. Swim at your own risk.-There are 6 single and 3 double beds available and two couches on which people can crash.-There is enough space for up to about six tents to be pitched. Otherwise, I recommend you stay at one of the many nearby motels.-There is enough parking for about eight cars. As the tournament is being held within two miles of New Jersey Transit’s Bay Head terminus on the North Jersey Coast Line, people are strongly encouraged to take public transport (note: some trains stopping at Newark Airport continue on to Bay Head, though a transfer at Long Branch is necessary)-There are enough spaces we can use to have at least 5, likely 6 or 7 competition rooms. -If you can only make it for either Monday or Tuesday, that’s fine of course. Just let me know. Also, please indicate to me if you’re interested in staying over on Monday night.-For all who are coming or are thinking of it, the address for the tournament is:1115 Ocean AvenueMantoloking, NJYou can also take NJ Transit rail to Bay Head on the North Jersey Coast Line, and we'd be happy to come pick you up.The schedule is as follows:

The team tournament will be the main event. Packet submission required. Standard 20/20, distribution forthcoming, but not history only in any case. As for difficulty, I’m thinking of something along the lines of a standard college undergrad tournament. Hence if you are the sort of person who is bored/frustrated by that level of difficulty, this may not be for you. The idea here is not for a summer tournament along the lines of Chicago Open difficulty, but one that talented high school seniors, high school coaches, and people who haven’t played competitively that much of late would still enjoy. If a bunch of people accustomed to playing Div I are indeed interested, let me know though too, and we can put something together with a higher difficulty level I’m sure.I will see how many people are interested, and then devise some sort of coherent tournament format at that point. Likewise, given that this tournament is meant to be inclusive, I’m going to take a wait and see approach regarding any sort of rules on how teams are composed. Should we have a Div I and a Div II, a la ICT/ACF? Should we just allow people to register teams and go with whomever people want to play with? Have mixed teams (i.e. a limit to how many graduating high school seniors/undergrads/open players per team)? How should we coordinate this vis a vis packet submission? I can and will eventually lay down some groundrules, but I’d rather get some feedback before doing so, so as to make this tournament maximally appealing from a competition standpoint.Anyways, this is a ways off, and there’s a ton that needs to be sifted through at this point, but I’m throwing this out there for discussion. Also, this tournament will have an entry fee of some sort, but the fee will be pretty minimal and will simply be there to cover costs of food, prizes, etc. – any extra $ from entry fees will be given out as prize $ to winners. Anyone interested, please let me know, and I’ll keep a running tally of people planning on coming here. Track me down at HSNCT or NSC for more info/questions too. Hope you can make it!

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David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

Yes, to answer that last question, this is at my family's vacation house, as you can probably gather from the original post and they're pretty insistent on having it during the weekends in August (the house is rented out for all of July), otherwise that would be ideal, of course. And I'll be the first to admit this is all rather unconventional, but I think it can be a lot of fun and a way to add another event for the summer calendar. Anyway, if it seems like people aren't interested in having this be a two day event, we can definitely move up the timeframe and have the tournament just be on the one day or the other. I'm trying to figure out a way into having Snooki be part of a neg prize. Thoughts?

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

In all seriousness, is there a reason why this tournament is on a Monday/Tuesday schedule?

In addition to the above, you in no way want to try to get to the Jersey Shore on an August weekend. My CAPS LOCK lives about five miles down a state highway from the shore, and it can be about a half-hour trip plus 10-15 minutes to find parking.

On that note, this is close enough that I imagine I will probably try to do this, depending on my summer plans. I'd likely be able to provide transportation from the train station.

rpond wrote:Some sort of Kings Park/Ward Melville/Stony Brook conglomerate may show up (this is me just throwing out what I'm hoping). I'm definitely interested, anyway.

I'd be interested in getting on this team if you'd take me. Awesome timing for me as it's right as my research is ending. I don't think I've ever played a tournament on the same team as any of the SB people/WM people.

rpond wrote:Some sort of Kings Park/Ward Melville/Stony Brook conglomerate may show up (this is me just throwing out what I'm hoping). I'm definitely interested, anyway.

I'd be interested in getting on this team if you'd take me. Awesome timing for me as it's right as my research is ending. I don't think I've ever played a tournament on the same team as any of the SB people/WM people.

If I can't find a Kellenberg Team and you can't find a KP/WM/SB team, then perhaps we could do a Long Island Team?

Ok, rule change here. You can come if you're 17, I guess I just put 18 down thinking about liability issues. But it's not like there haven't been people under 18 at the house before. Bottom line: if you'll have graduated high school by the end of this school year and you'd like to play a fun summer tournament, you're welcome and I hope you can join us. Just remember for everyone that it is a private home and the future of the house as a tournament site is obviously going to be a function of it being left in good condition.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

TWO TIME NATIONAL CHAMPION David A. Seal, Esq.QUINTUPLE CROWN WINNER: ICT/ICT/NHB/NHB/CULTCoach of 2014 ICT Champion UVAUniversity of Chicago '10University of Virginia School of Law '13Not Every Team Can Afford MeCoattail Rider

Can we get the distribution you're looking for? I started writing some of the science for our packet, just don't want to go outside the distro. Also, Robert and Will, can I get your e-mails that you use for Google Docs so I can add you to the packet? Also do we know our 4th yet, so I can add them as well?

Note: Don't write fewer than 475 or more than 625 characters a tossup! And keep the difficulty within the bounds of a standard undergrad-only college tournament! HSNCT difficulty works well.

Granted, that's a little more NAQT style than ACF, but as it's a summer tournament, I think that's somewhat appropriate. Also, while not required, any beach, New Jersey, summer, etc. oriented questions will be especially welcomed. Keep tossups reasonably short - say between 500-650 characters. Go ahead and power mark your questions. This tournament will be guerrilla style - I'm not looking to do any editing as I'd like to play myself, but I can probably send the submitted packets to a random person who won't be attending to edit at least for repeats. I'm asking for 21 questions, so that we can account for repeats at least a little with an extra question in each packet, though only 20 will be played in each game. Bonuses in standard format as well.

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David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

I'd rather you just do a standard ACF packet layout. There's no actual benefit to having more trash/CE, and I don't think 21 questions per packet is enough to guarantee a set of 20 question packets without duplicates.

Robert PondKings Park '10Stony Brook '14Wandering hobo '??

Anonymous wrote:naqt is much worse than plagiarism could ever hope to be

Just edited the distribution slightly. Now at 22 tossups per packet. Presumably I'll get someone to edit this who won't be playing, solely for the purpose of making sure that we don't have repeats in the answer lines, not for actual, like, real editing.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

Is there anyone that would be willing to do some editing and provide feedback for our packet once we get it done? As of now, we're about halfway done, and I'll probably do a bunch of work on it Monday after my finals end.

I am tentatively announcing that I will play this on Michael Arnold's team, along with (possibly) a mystery teammate. To make an understatement, I am highly intrigued by the possibility of novelty tournaments dedicated to European military history and Eastern Europe.

nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Just edited the distribution slightly. Now at 22 tossups per packet. Presumably I'll get someone to edit this who won't be playing, solely for the purpose of making sure that we don't have repeats in the answer lines, not for actual, like, real editing.

If this is truly just like what you want instead of actual editing which obviously you'd need somebody far more qualified for, I could certainly offer up a chunk of my time to help out with this.

nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Just edited the distribution slightly. Now at 22 tossups per packet. Presumably I'll get someone to edit this who won't be playing, solely for the purpose of making sure that we don't have repeats in the answer lines, not for actual, like, real editing.

If this is truly just like what you want instead of actual editing which obviously you'd need somebody far more qualified for, I could certainly offer up a chunk of my time to help out with this.

Thanks, Nolan and Ryan. You're both more than qualified for this, and I'll be in touch once I have the packets (this probably won't be until the end of July though). I imagine we'll probably have about 8-10 teams at the inaugural JSO. I'm thinking it might work well to do teams of three in order to make sure we have enough teams to make a small field size work. Of course, people are still welcome to sign up until, let's say, August 1. Can people let me know if Aug 8-9 or Aug 9-10 would be better? Right now this is still at Aug 8-9, but the 9-10 version would be slightly better for me. Either way, JSO is going to happen - the house is 99% certain not to be rented out, or so I've been told. For those writing packets, remember that the difficulty I'm aiming for here is of a standard Div II (i.e. undergrad) college tournament, though if some questions seem on the easy or hard side of that, that's not a big deal at all.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Thanks, Nolan and Ryan. You're both more than qualified for this, and I'll be in touch once I have the packets (this probably won't be until the end of July though). I imagine we'll probably have about 8-10 teams at the inaugural JSO. I'm thinking it might work well to do teams of three in order to make sure we have enough teams to make a small field size work. Of course, people are still welcome to sign up until, let's say, August 1. Can people let me know if Aug 8-9 or Aug 9-10 would be better? Right now this is still at Aug 8-9, but the 9-10 version would be slightly better for me. Either way, JSO is going to happen - the house is 99% certain not to be rented out, or so I've been told. For those writing packets, remember that the difficulty I'm aiming for here is of a standard Div II (i.e. undergrad) college tournament, though if some questions seem on the easy or hard side of that, that's not a big deal at all.

Re packets & money: No, there's no late fine, just write your questions on time, please. Also, I would like to do two things here - officially change the date to August 10-11 and put a cap on team members at 3 to make sure we hit my target of ten teams. If there is strong objection to either of these two points, please post here within the next few days (i.e. by Saturday). They're not set in stone yet, but I'd like to get there soon.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

My (not all that significant) problem with it is that our team already had 4 players set up (our fourth, by the way, is Naib Mobassir, a former WM student going to SBU). By the way, since you're advocating not taking one's own car to this, do you know the best way to get from NYC to Mantoloking?

Robert PondKings Park '10Stony Brook '14Wandering hobo '??

Anonymous wrote:naqt is much worse than plagiarism could ever hope to be

Okay; I'll see where things stand regarding teams and put up a list of both teams and players and then we'll see what makes the most sense. As far as travel goes, you can certainly drive; I don't think we'll have that many cars, and if you're coming in a group of 4 that's going to be cheapest/most convenient. People can also take NJ Transit trains to Bay Head; one town north of Mantoloking, and I can easily come pick people up there - it's less than 5 minutes away.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

Ok, we're going to stick with the original dates of August 8-9 after all. This is now set in stone, so anyone considering making travel reservations can plan accordingly. I'll have a final verdict on the 3 or 4 person team question later this week, but so far, all who have expressed interest in coming are more than welcome.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

If it's August 8-9 I'm back on board for the full tournament. Still have no clue about my teammates. Maybe Yetman will join, maybe I'll play solo, maybe I'll find random people on the boardwalk and persuade them to play with me.

Just an update here:Teams will be allowed to have four members as I think some sets may already have four different authors, though I'm hoping we can have at least ten teams. Please don't wait until the last minute regarding your question sets! I know that much of this work will get done the first week of August, but please get your completed packets to me in attachment form asap. I won't look at the questions, but will forward them on to a couple people who have graciously offered to edit the set to ensure there are no repeats. Also, please keep me posted regarding your plans to attend. I will keep the list of teams updated as information comes in. Anyone who hasn't yet signed up - please let me know if you can make it. This is going to be a great event and I only hope the weather holds up.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad

Looking at the parameters for the set, I realized that it's not at all clear as to whether the sets are supposed to include bonuses. So, have people who have started their packets included bonuses or not so far? If not, would it be a big deal to include them as well? Right now, we're looking at 9 teams, so eight matches over nine rounds with a bye when your packet is played. If there are no bonuses, this will all go quite quickly. So, I'd like to include them, but if people would seem inconvenienced by this, let me know. Sorry for the confusion, here.

David MaddenRidgewood (NJ) '99, Princeton '03Founder and Director: International History Bee and Bowl, National History Bee and Bowl, International History Olympiad, United States Geography Olympiad, National Sports and Entertainment History Bee, US History Bee, National Citizenship Bee, et al.Adviser and former head coach for Team USA at the International Geography Olympiad