Breakdown of BC's draft picks in Toronto

We have a pick coming up this year in the 1-10 range, likely 8ish. How much confidence do folks have in Colangelo come draft night?

People love to throw mud at BC and his draft choices it seems ... I personally think some of it is rooted in Raptors draft pains from the Babcock era - and some folks mix in the sentiment. BC didn't lose out on Iggy or Granger ... he drafted well.

Our roster next year will be made up of many key pieces that were BC's draft picks.
-Jonas, Bargnani, Demar, Ed and our pick this year (hopefully a rotation piece)

And as much as there are always talented players passed up, in all cases there were players in the range we chose that would have been much worse picks. Let's see, by looking at the next 5 players in our pick's 'range':

Home run! Too early for big judgements on any of these folks - but what we've seen of Jonas since this draft appears to be a player much more developed than this group of rookies, still struggling to pick-up the NBA game ...

So - do you have draft angst towards BC? As a talent evaluator, he seems to outperform his peers in many cases.

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Hard to criticize the Bargnani pick. He was a tantalizing prospect at the time. The Derozan pick is more iffy. Guys like Lawson and Holiday went later and might have been more productive but the glaring wing need at the time (and still a glaring need) cried out for help. The Davis pick was fine. That draft was horrible. The JV pick was a good one even if it doesn't work out.

My issue with Colangelo is his approach to team building (i.e. running as fast as possible to stay in the same place) and the poor strategic choices he made in 2006, which he compounded with reactionary moves in later years to fix the problems he created. I would have no issue with Colangelo as the head of player personnel or some such advising a GM. I just want someone else making final decisions.

Bargnani was a bad pick when Aldridge was still available. Even Bosh publicly stated that he would choose Aldridge - this is unusual for a player to do. He might still be here if it were not for this mistake and the fortunes (on court) would have been night and day! Even with Bargnani's future improved play, it was still the wrong choice. At the time I was thinking, it's BC, I must be wrong. Didn't take too long after to see that it was he who clearly made the incorrect choice! Don't like players with knee problems unless it's a heavily scrutinized (informed) decision - Roy!

I was upset with the DD choice because Lawson imo was clearly such a talent. Disappointed he missed Jennings even though I knew nothing about him - this should not excuse BC. Other players further down that he missed also.
On the bright side DD's work ethic should lead to much future improvement and I have high hopes for him.

Liked the Ed pick at the time so I have no say now. Loved Jordan Crawford and wanted them to find a way to get him at 27.

Liked Fredette, Knight and JV in that order. His order was JV then Knight. Thought he did very well, but new decision makers were in the mix by then.

Moving forward, I see them drafting better than they ever have - still worry about them missing players though!

There are two players in this draft that I will be disappointed if they don't get.

Nice work putting things in perspective - things are not as bad as we think: Even though they might have missed a few good players readers recognized, they look to have outperformed many teams in lottery selecting!

Bargnani was a bad pick when Aldridge was still available. Even Bosh publicly stated that he would choose Aldridge - this is unusual for a player to do. He might still be here if it were not for this mistake and the fortunes (on court) would have been night and day! Even with Bargnani's future improved play, it was still the wrong choice. At the time I was thinking, it's BC, I must be wrong. Didn't take too long after to see that it was he who clearly made the incorrect choice! Don't like players with knee problems unless it's a heavily scrutinized (informed) decision - Roy!

I was upset with the DD choice because Lawson imo was clearly such a talent. Disappointed he missed Jennings even though I knew nothing about him - this should not excuse BC. Other players further down that he missed also.
On the bright side DD's work ethic should lead to much future improvement and I have high hopes for him.

Liked the Ed pick at the time so I have no say now. Loved Jordan Crawford and wanted them to find a way to get him at 27.

Liked Fredette, Knight and JV in that order. His order was JV then Knight. Thought he did very well, but new decision makers were in the mix by then.

Moving forward, I see them drafting better than they ever have - still worry about them missing players though!

There are two players in this draft that I will be disappointed if they don't get.

Nice work putting things in perspective - things are not as bad as we think: Even though they might have missed a few good players readers recognized, they look to have outperformed many teams in lottery selecting!

Aldridge was never a real consideration for the 2006 draft for the Raptors. Can you imagine BC, or any GM, using the #1 overall pick to draft a player who will only be a guaranteed backup player as long as your current young, franchise player is on your roster? Please, hindsight is one thing, but the Raptors were never ever ever going to draft Aldridge with Bosh as the focal point!

The 2006 draft for the Raptors essentially was between Bargnani and the 3 wings - Roy, Foye and Gay. For the first few years lots of fans were wishing the Raps had drafted Roy, but where are they now? Foye is a decent rotation player, but borderline starter. Gay is a great player at both ends of the court, but he's also making about 50% more per season than Bargnani... is he worth the $16.4M he'll be making next season? I was and continue to be satisfied with the Bargnani pick... as a fan of his, I only wish we had gotten him with the #2-5 pick, so that so many fans wouldn't automatically heap the "#1 overall" expectations on his shoulders!

Can't really fault BC for missing guys who went 8 picks later and then turned out to be good. That would make every GM who passed on the guy that turned into an all star after coming out of the second round a complete dufus.

There will always be players who don't blossom until after they get into the NBA. For whatever reason. And you can't necessarily credit the GM's who happen to have these guys fall into their laps.

List of guys and years that made a league full of GM's look stupid (at least the ones drafting later in the first round).

Aldridge was never a real consideration for the 2006 draft for the Raptors. Can you imagine BC, or any GM, using the #1 overall pick to draft a player who will only be a guaranteed backup player as long as your current young, franchise player is on your roster? Please, hindsight is one thing, but the Raptors were never ever ever going to draft Aldridge with Bosh as the focal point!

The 2006 draft for the Raptors essentially was between Bargnani and the 3 wings - Roy, Foye and Gay. For the first few years lots of fans were wishing the Raps had drafted Roy, but where are they now? Foye is a decent rotation player, but borderline starter. Gay is a great player at both ends of the court, but he's also making about 50% more per season than Bargnani... is he worth the $16.4M he'll be making next season? I was and continue to be satisfied with the Bargnani pick... as a fan of his, I only wish we had gotten him with the #2-5 pick, so that so many fans wouldn't automatically heap the "#1 overall" expectations on his shoulders!

Aldridge would have played centre and probably has played some centre even for the blazers. He would not have been drafted with the intention of playing behind Bosh as you conclude. Bargnani's natural position is PF but he was drafted to play centre beside Bosh. Don't think this was a concern at the time - BC was just really enamoured by Bargnani's potential and versatility. Possibly, not even BC saw him as a #1 pick. Fact is, he tried to trade down to the 4 spot to get him but found no suitable takers. Like the fact that he was willing to take the player he wanted regardless of ranking though. Believe Bargnani will improved to the point where this is mostly forgotten but the damage has already been done. Would love to have Gay at $16.4 mil., don't know who would agree with me though. We would have the big shot player that we need!

if you think about it Kobe didn't come into the NBA with insane athleticism and a lights out shooter. He was still a work in progress and he worked his butt off to get to where he is, exact same thing demar is doing. Hopefully while hanging out in China with Gary Payton some of Paytons handles rubs off on DeRozan.

if you think about it Kobe didn't come into the NBA with insane athleticism and a lights out shooter. He was still a work in progress and he worked his butt off to get to where he is, exact same thing demar is doing. Hopefully while hanging out in China with Gary Payton some of Paytons handles rubs off on DeRozan.

Did you really just compare Kobe to DeRozan? Yikes.
Bryant didn't have crazy athleticism coming into the NBA? There's no way he couldn't have had come into the league from high school without crazy athleticism. While I do agree his shot was a work in progress coming into the league, he was a better shooter than what most gave him credit for - and he worked harder on it. No one works out like Bryant. DeRozan has a long way to go before being mentioned in the same breath.

Jrue was top 10 material and was projected top 10. IM sure he had one of the greatest slides of the night. Not sure why? he's turned out to be a very capable pg.

There was a lot of talk that Colangelo was seriously looking at taking Holiday before DeRozan had a change of heart about Toronto. Most people forget that DeRozan for the better the draft process originally wanted no part of being here. He later did an about face when there were whispers of his stock dropping (and that was his fault because he didn't want to work out against anyone)

Aldridge would have played centre and probably has played some centre even for the blazers. He would not have been drafted with the intention of playing behind Bosh as you conclude. Bargnani's natural position is PF but he was drafted to play centre beside Bosh. Don't think this was a concern at the time - BC was just really enamoured by Bargnani's potential and versatility. Possibly, not even BC saw him as a #1 pick. Fact is, he tried to trade down to the 4 spot to get him but found no suitable takers. Like the fact that he was willing to take the player he wanted regardless of ranking though. Believe Bargnani will improved to the point where this is mostly forgotten but the damage has already been done. Would love to have Gay at $16.4 mil., don't know who would agree with me though. We would have the big shot player that we need!

Aldridge was never in consideration - because there were whispers of him having back issues. I heard and read rumours of Colangelo wnting to trade down to acquire an asset and still be in position to draft Bargnani. However, if the Raptors hadn't drafted Bargnani at #1 themselves and intead traded down for a pick within the lotto, the Bulls would have taken him at #2.

Gay at 16.4 million isn't worth it. 16.4 million per season is reserved for franchise carrying players. The Raptors should steer clear of players with salaries like that unless they are indeed those aformentioned franchise players.

Did you really just compare Kobe to DeRozan? Yikes.
Bryant didn't have crazy athleticism coming into the NBA? There's no way he couldn't have had come into the league from high school without crazy athleticism. While I do agree his shot was a work in progress coming into the league, he was a better shooter than what most gave him credit for - and he worked harder on it. No one works out like Bryant. DeRozan has a long way to go before being mentioned in the same breath.

Well I'd say DeRozan and Kobe's athleticism(in his youth) are on par. Kobe was no Vince Carter in terms of Athleticism, You remember how kobe was drooling at the 2000 all star game when vince carter blew past him for the 360 slam. I don't want to start a whole argument here but i'm just saying how they both work hard to get better.

Well I'd say DeRozan and Kobe's athleticism(in his youth) are on par. Kobe was no Vince Carter in terms of Athleticism, You remember how kobe was drooling at the 2000 all star game when vince carter blew past him for the 360 slam. I don't want to start a whole argument here but i'm just saying how they both work hard to get better.

Athleticism just isn't jumping ability, you know. And it's quite comical that your example is a play from the all-star game - the biggest pickup game of the whole season. I don't want to start a whole argument here, but I'm just saying...

The point isn't - and shouldn't be about Carter versus Bryant. You stated that Bryant didn't come in with great athleticism which is not true. Kobe's athleticism right now - at age 33 - is fantastic. He can do things on the court that guys can only dream of. His work ethic is second to none. So imagine how good athletically he was when he came into the league - 16 years ago, and his first few seasons. I wouldn't say DeRozan at teh moment was what Kobe was when he first broke in. His athleticism is very good, don't get me wrong, but it's a notch below Bryant's.

We have a pick coming up this year in the 1-10 range, likely 8ish. How much confidence do folks have in Colangelo come draft night?

People love to throw mud at BC and his draft choices it seems ... I personally think some of it is rooted in Raptors draft pains from the Babcock era - and some folks mix in the sentiment. BC didn't lose out on Iggy or Granger ... he drafted well.

Our roster next year will be made up of many key pieces that were BC's draft picks.
-Jonas, Bargnani, Demar, Ed and our pick this year (hopefully a rotation piece)

And as much as there are always talented players passed up, in all cases there were players in the range we chose that would have been much worse picks. Let's see, by looking at the next 5 players in our pick's 'range':

Home run! Too early for big judgements on any of these folks - but what we've seen of Jonas since this draft appears to be a player much more developed than this group of rookies, still struggling to pick-up the NBA game ...

So - do you have draft angst towards BC? As a talent evaluator, he seems to outperform his peers in many cases.

Also, who was a young high school kid he got in Phoenix with 9 or 10th pick?? Amare. If I recall -a ROY.