Balding, of the severe kind (norwood 4+) can easily take you down 3 points, especially in today's metro-sexualized society. The amount of time men are spending for clothing preparation, styling, grooming, has gone to unprecedented levels.

It leads one to question if winning the affection of such women who value these things so highly is even worth it.

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No, no it's not worth it. If a lady denies you because you suffer from hairloss, then she is the type to go out with tanned douches who treat her like dog s***, but she doesn't care because they have hair. A mature woman would NOT care whether you suffer from Androgenetic Alopecia because she will settle for your personality, that grey matter in your skull and your heart. Believe it or not.

It can (take 3 pts away) if you let the hair grow out. And for some, even shaven can take that way as well. But, for a fair amount of guys, shaving it to stubble or gone all together can mitigate the point loss. For some guys, maybe only ends up taking a point or so away, and in rare occurrences, even gaining upwards to a point (aside from that some black guys just look better shaved).

In the end, if your hair is at the point of taking too much away from your looks, shave it. Too many nerds on this site and people in general keep that thin nw3 with that monster forehead grown out for far too long. Do not do such things.

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Alas, that only happens when you're not only handsome but masculine as well ( broad face, broad frame). Maybe 1 in 100 are spared
Those who are good-looking but of the pretty kind, are doomed
Those who are average are doomed as well
Those who are short and/or frail ( certainly if combined with any of the above) are doomed too

Balding is mutilation, few things can so thoroughly fk up your aesthetic, which in this day and age, especially if you're young, is all-important

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It can (take 3 pts away) if you let the hair grow out. And for some, even shaven can take that way as well. But, for a fair amount of guys, shaving it to stubble or gone all together can mitigate the point loss. For some guys, maybe only ends up taking a point or so away, and in rare occurrences, even gaining upwards to a point (aside from that some black guys just look better shaved).

In the end, if your hair is at the point of taking too much away from your looks, shave it. Too many nerds on this site and people in general keep that thin nw3 with that monster forehead grown out for far too long. Do not do such things.

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So true! I've always said there are literally 4 choices, depending on what suits you and what is possible:

1) finasteride and transplants to keep it full or those with incredible donor and a lowish pattern can rely just on transplants. This is pretty rare though.
2) Spread the grafts around if you've lost a lot and maintain a buzz cut. Some surgeons specialise in this and adding in SMP.
3) Razor
4) Piece

Literally the only way to look aesthetic. Of course option 1 is preferred but option 2 is not a bad one for those struggling with serious hair loss and can pull off the cropped look. Like you said and I've written a lot, black guys just look naturally good shaved or anyone with a tan benefits too. Seeing a good surgeon (not just recommended but tailored for your situation) helps a lot.

You soldier on as best you can, is the short answer. Sometimes your perspective changes with time, sometimes it doesn't. One thing I would say that really widens your perspective is something *serious*. I won't go into details for privacy reasons, but I've recently had a run of major health problems - basically, I've got a lot of warning signs suggesting that I'm going to die young, or else suffer a serious disability. Let me tell you: fears about being bald go out the window when you get news like that. If you want a more local example, talk to the guys who get post-finasteride syndrome, and ask them if they still care about being bald. I bet they'll say they'd give anything to be bald but have their health again. Baldness IS a big deal, much bigger than society makes it out to be. But it is nothing compared to actual, terminal health problems.

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I support your point of view. I have relatives who have a serious disability and cannot move. Yes, now they have more options and they can use mobile scooters as on this page instead of ordinary wheelchairs. But I am glad that I am just starting alopecia. Yes, it will increase over time, but it is not the end of the world for me. I know that at this very moment there are many people who are much worse and this wears me off for nothing.

I support your point of view. I have relatives who have a serious disability and cannot move. Yes, now they have more options and they can use mobile scooters as on this page instead of ordinary wheelchairs. But I am glad that I am just starting alopecia. Yes, it will increase over time, but it is not the end of the world for me. I know that at this very moment there are many people who are much worse and this wears me off for nothing.

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I also use to think that it's "just" hair, and others have disabilities, cancer, other worse conditions and so on. But i still can't get over the fact that i think it is sucking SO much joy out of my youth/20's, so life quality is going down quite a bit. I have focused on other things the last 6 months, so i'm not as depressed as before (im also having sex on a regular basis with a nice girl right now, that f*****g helps a lot), but still... I would rather lose sight on one eye, if that meant i would keep a healthy set of norwood 1/2 for the rest of my life.

How to cope with this UGLY *** condition?
Like.... I can't stand looking myself in the mirror..... I feel NO motivation to do ANYTHING in life anymore. I'm freaking 24 with a norwood 3v with diffusse thinning all over my scalp. And i know others have it worse.. That doesn't take away the pain.
BTW. Some friends have named me egghead. They don't know how much i suffer. Life is a f*****g joke.... The last year, i keep daydreaming about suicide, and i don't know how much longer i can take this sh*t....

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Cold approach pickup. I meditate. I do scalp massages and I use Rosemary oil. I exercise. I take my b vitamins.

I support your point of view. I have relatives who have a serious disability and cannot move. Yes, now they have more options and they can use mobile scooters as on this page instead of ordinary wheelchairs. But I am glad that I am just starting alopecia. Yes, it will increase over time, but it is not the end of the world for me. I know that at this very moment there are many people who are much worse and this wears me off for nothing.

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By not being a neurotic Nancy, You will lower stress hormone's and avoid speeding in the process.

Do what you can. Slow it. Relax. Whenever the time comes, dwayne Johnson it.

I also use to think that it's "just" hair, and others have disabilities, cancer, other worse conditions and so on. But i still can't get over the fact that i think it is sucking SO much joy out of my youth/20's, so life quality is going down quite a bit. I have focused on other things the last 6 months, so i'm not as depressed as before (im also having sex on a regular basis with a nice girl right now, that f*****g helps a lot), but still... I would rather lose sight on one eye, if that meant i would keep a healthy set of norwood 1/2 for the rest of my life.

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Learn game. Meditate. Pull girls on monk mode no hair. There's too much time spent on whimpering about hair.

So you are valuing one of your eyes at less than €5-10k euros (price of one/two top hair transplants). Mental!

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you really think 1 hair transplant (or several) gonna ever give you a thick full head of hair? if so you're sadly delusional.
plus they always basically tell you that you have to take finasteride for life along with those hair transplants or else your hair will keep getting worse.

1 eye in return for a thick full head of hair for life, not even gonna think twice.

Learn game. Meditate. Pull girls on monk mode no hair. There's too much time spent on whimpering about hair.

Love yourself. Love the hair. Get on with life.

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imagine still believing in "game", no "game" in the world will help you get girls if you're unattractive, and no attractive dude needs to have "game" to pull chicks.
"game" was invented by average to ugly guys thinking confidence is what matters.

don't be one of those guys whos harassing girls on the street after wasting your money going to a "seduction"/"game" course done by idiots.

imagine still believing in "game", no "game" in the world will help you get girls if you're unattractive, and no attractive dude needs to have "game" to pull chicks.
"game" was invented by average to ugly guys thinking confidence is what matters.

don't be one of those guys whos harassing girls on the street after wasting your money going to a "seduction"/"game" course done by idiots.

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Whereas I do agree that the whole PUA world is quite toxic, there are a lot of men that could benefit for at least knowing some of the principles about what to say/do and what not to say/do to/with women.

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Whereas I do agree that the whole PUA world is quite toxic, there are a lot of men that could benefit for at least knowing some of the principles about what to say/do and what not to say/do to/with women.

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That's just basic social skills, better to gain that by hanging around with some socially adjusted guys and girls. You also learn that way what are your own strengths and weaknesses and that's okay. Everyone has them and it's the human element. Girls just want someone to have fun with, understands them who also looks pretty decent. On the other hand I knew some guy when we were 19 who went to this bootcamp during summer uni break. He came back ultra weird and everyone noticed. It's a waste of time overall. Maybe reading one book on it is suffice to pick up basic common sense. It was the craze when I was a teen and we mostly read it through curiosity. I thought people have moved on now.

you really think 1 hair transplant (or several) gonna ever give you a thick full head of hair? if so you're sadly delusional.
plus they always basically tell you that you have to take finasteride for life along with those hair transplants or else your hair will keep getting worse.

1 eye in return for a thick full head of hair for life, not even gonna think twice.

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You need professional help. "Delusional" aptly describes yourself.

I've already had one hair transplant and my head of hair looks thick, just waiting for my crown to grow in. I don't take finasteride. Think you need to do a bit more research before making bold statements.

That's just basic social skills, better to gain that by hanging around with some socially adjusted guys and girls. You also learn that way what are your own strengths and weaknesses and that's okay. Everyone has them and it's the human element. Girls just want someone to have fun with, understands them who also looks pretty decent. On the other hand I knew some guy when we were 19 who went to this bootcamp during summer uni break. He came back ultra weird and everyone noticed. It's a waste of time overall. Maybe reading one book on it is suffice to pick up basic common sense. It was the craze when I was a teen and we mostly read it through curiosity. I thought people have moved on now.

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It all depends on your knowledge gap. I know guys with good basic social skills that are still completely oblivious to what they do wrong with women. Not trying to defend the PUA community but also not saying that all of it is useless/bogus.

It is kind of like that whole alpha male stuff... The term itself is complete BS. The guy who invented it spent the last part of his career trying to teach people that it does not apply to humans, but at that point, certain groups had already internalized it as reality. Still, for a lot of men who are seeking an identity, it can offer them a framework of how to operate as a male in this day and age. It can help you to live your own life, not take sh*t from other people, not be a pleaser, go for the things you want etc. It becomes a problem when you lack the ability to do this with some nuance, and then you become like the guy you described. People who misinterpret and overidentify with the term alpha male use it as an excuse to become an a**h** and somehow they still think they are on the right path. High-value people (the people you actually want in your life) can see through this and will push you away.

imagine still believing in "game", no "game" in the world will help you get girls if you're unattractive, and no attractive dude needs to have "game" to pull chicks.
"game" was invented by average to ugly guys thinking confidence is what matters.

don't be one of those guys whos harassing girls on the street after wasting your money going to a "seduction"/"game" course done by idiots.

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Spoken like a man who has never pulled before.

You have a choice. Cry about bei g Charlie Brown or chat lots of girls. Pull and pull. More.

Harrass girls? You sound like a male feminist. Jordan Peterson called them a weasel.

I'm glad you think so mate. I'll just stick out the big 3 as long as possible, and see how long it's going to maintain my hair. And yeah, that should probably give some peace of mind, but i'm kind og obsessing/stressed out about it - I just can't understand that i let the balding process go so long before doing something.. F*cking hell man, my hair is so damn important to me, and my dad has been telling (not directly, but you know, a lot of "heads up") that i was loosing my hair, and i didn't do anything.. But seriously, i started balding at 18 and if someone told me back then, that some men actually go bald in their early twenties (even earlier for some) i would have thought they were making a joke.... I guess i have to try and cut the obsession and just stick with my treatments.. It's kind of my only option! Maybe i look back when i'm 30 with a better set of hair than i have now, who knows.. Good luck keeping up with your treatments, and credit for being a genuine good admin with solid advice!

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I know this is a relatively old post but it reminds me so much of me before I started balding. If someone had told me that men in their late teens can go bald I would have never believed them or taken them seriously.