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I think the best is, to do your own homework!
Look around the breeders website and decide which type of SBT you prefer.
Are you planning to do any work with the dog,or you're just looking for a pet buddy?
Don't rush into it!

are you planning on showing your new SBT?
if your just looking for a pet quality puppy, then get one from a rescue/shelter/HS. but if your planning on showing/working, etc then go to a reputable breeder.

Hey, I was looking for a good sbt breeder. They are kinda rare so I wanted to make sure that I found a pure sbt from a reputable breeder. It took me a few months and A LOT of emails but i finally found 1 near my area. Check this website and start emailing:
**http://clubs.akc.org/sbtci/

Yes they are. His nephew runs a kennel in Texas. Give me a DR dog over a Stormer or Psycho dog anyday. Not that there's anything wrong with the latter two, it's just my opinion.

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couldnt agree more....they are the only true stafford.....stormer dogs were just a made up bunch of mongrels....psycho dogs not much better though there was a few decent ones.
id be interested to read a few of his peds....most over here are crossed with o flynn,very few pure reds left

Ray Delaney does not have DRS staffords & in the pure form that strain is long gone. Maybe several 3/4 bred dogs may be found but they would be far from the quality of their ancestors. As for them being "the only true stafford",well that depends on who you talk too......................
On another note,the Flynn strain for many years has wrongly been known as "O'Flynn" by many who knew no better. Forget about the "O".
Stormer was rated very highly by many. Off the top of my head he was around 5/8 stafford. Thats probably (imo) more pure stafford blood than a lot of them type dogs alive today.

stormer was a decent dog but didnt have much competition,psycho v stormer was totally overated just because there was big money ( for that era ) on the match.....if my memory serves me correct stormer was from the old bull bitch who was half stafford half ebt.....stormer produced absolutely nothing infact im not aware of 1 single pup he produced that was even matched

i disagree about the drs they are still around in their pure form in very small numbers and every bit as good as their ancestors jim,red joe,red warrior,mandy in fact id go further and say they are better than the original dogs mo dann brought over to england

im not going to debate the letter o....you may be right i forget where that came from now but the flynn brothers were also behind a lot of the evergreen and faranee stuff behind psycho....gerry allen would never have claimed to be a great breeder none of them fellas understood much about breeding they just bred best to best which is why they crossbred so much throwing wheaten and all sorts into the mix.......hence why i would describe the drs as the only true stafford of those sporting/irish strains

stormer was a decent dog but didnt have much competition,psycho v stormer was totally overated just because there was big money ( for that era ) on the match.....if my memory serves me correct stormer was from the old bull bitch who was half stafford half ebt.....stormer produced absolutely nothing infact im not aware of 1 single pup he produced that was even matched

i disagree about the drs they are still around in their pure form in very small numbers and every bit as good as their ancestors jim,red joe,red warrior,mandy in fact id go further and say they are better than the original dogs mo dann brought over to england

im not going to debate the letter o....you may be right i forget where that came from now but the flynn brothers were also behind a lot of the evergreen and faranee stuff behind psycho....gerry allen would never have claimed to be a great breeder none of them fellas understood much about breeding they just bred best to best which is why they crossbred so much throwing wheaten and all sorts into the mix.......hence why i would describe the drs as the only true stafford of those sporting/irish strains

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You are correct in that Stormer never produced a match dog,but what you fail to mention is,he only sired one litter. It was claimed by the lad who had Psycho's litter sister,that he got a pup from them two. I have a pic of the dog,but its hard to believe that was true.
I do know of several dogs carrying a fair bit DRS blood,but it really depends on how you look at the breeding behind them. Lets not forget that Red Dart Of Asquith was pure English kc lines & she is behind most of that stuff & also the dam to Joe. Dogs of today being better than them you mentioned from the past..........................well if you rated them above mentioned dogs from the past highly,then im at a loss as to them dogs of today. Being honest & straight,i don't believe a word you are saying. You may have been fooled by others or you may have fooled yourself,but you ain't fooling me.
I am right on Flynn,but O'Flynn looks a lot better on paper.
You are correct in the crossing of dogs in Ireland,purely as a lot of it was worker to worker,but there was several other pure working kc lines around too & they were head & shoulders above any DRS dog of the time in that country. Fact.
I hear this so often on the DRS being the only pure strain. A high % of them that went to England may well have been pure but don't be fooled into thinking all of them were & don't be fooled into thinking the peds that went with the dogs were true. Even if some of them peds were true,then don't fool yourself into thinking Mo & a lot of others didn't cross them into pit bulls & paper them up as DRS. There's as many doubts in that strain as there is in the others. The only difference is them owners would prefer to not know the truth,than know it. Same as the work. Its more about what they have not done,than what they have actually done.
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You are correct in that Stormer never produced a match dog,but what you fail to mention is,he only sired one litter. It was claimed by the lad who had Psycho's litter sister,that he got a pup from them two. I have a pic of the dog,but its hard to believe that was true.
I do know of several dogs carrying a fair bit DRS blood,but it really depends on how you look at the breeding behind them. Lets not forget that Red Dart Of Asquith was pure English kc lines & she is behind most of that stuff & also the dam to Joe. Dogs of today being better than them you mentioned from the past..........................well if you rated them above mentioned dogs from the past highly,then im at a loss as to them dogs of today. Being honest & straight,i don't believe a word you are saying. You may have been fooled by others or you may have fooled yourself,but you ain't fooling me.
I am right on Flynn,but O'Flynn looks a lot better on paper.
You are correct in the crossing of dogs in Ireland,purely as a lot of it was worker to worker,but there was several other pure working kc lines around too & they were head & shoulders above any DRS dog of the time in that country. Fact.
I hear this so often on the DRS being the only pure strain. A high % of them that went to England may well have been pure but don't be fooled into thinking all of them were & don't be fooled into thinking the peds that went with the dogs were true. Even if some of them peds were true,then don't fool yourself into thinking Mo & a lot of others didn't cross them into pit bulls & paper them up as DRS. There's as many doubts in that strain as there is in the others. The only difference is them owners would prefer to not know the truth,than know it. Same as the work. Its more about what they have not done,than what they have actually done.
Im not going to kid anyone,so why kid myself....................

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wow....slow down friend...in all fairness ive never claimed to be an expert on staffords ive had the odd few through my hands but nothing more.....
firstly when i said about stormer not producing 1 match dog.....i phrased it wrong...what i meant was "of the stormer line " not just stormer himself.....or wait dont tell me that old blade dog was a double gr ch.....in his owners mind
now as for the pureness of them dublin reds i,ll take your word for it like i said it was never my breed,however my own breed led me to be around a number of folk who owned them and i guess im just repeating what i was told.....so no problem im not trying to convince you of anything,as to the quality ...the first ones i saw and the last ones i saw have a gap of around 25 odd years in between so memory being a little hazey and having no reason not to trust what im told id say there at least on par.....as to pure drs...3/4.....1/2.....again,its not my breed so again i trust who and what i was told...that old jim dog about 10/15 years ago to me he looked a good example of what i knew to be a drs looking back whether he was i dont know...to be honest i dont really care to me a good dogs where you find it and these only being staffords its really not that important.....as for delboy mo nothing that man said or did could fool me if he told me the sky was upwards id look up and check for myself.....but again,a good dog is where you find it and if im told its a drs and it looks like one thats good enough for me......ive known folk get their knickers in a real twist over these staffords and i never understood why....
anyway...so if the red dart...and joes dam etc were kc blood ( which i was aware of ) then what would make you say the drs are not pure stafford

Don't let me come across wrong here. Like you,im just putting my opinion across. Also,don't let me come across as being educated on them dogs,as im not. The only thing i can say is all the strains mentioned have many question marks,past & present,unfortunately.
Regarding the Stormer line,i think it is unrealistic & wrong to put the dogs name & his so called line in the same sentence. (Im not implying you.) Im sure you understand you cannot claim a line of dogs from one mating. It takes away a lot of credit that dog deserves. Maybe the Old Bull Bitch line would be right as she played her part in her breedings. If i was to say she was so so close to becoming a R.O.M. would you believe me ?
Don't take my word on what i say on the DRS. Dig a little deeper & find out yourself. You obviously have an head start with being around some of them dogs in the past. Im still at a loss to you saying there is staffords of late which are/were on a par to them of the past which you refer to. I can only think of several which were claimed to be many times winners,but others claimed were a figment of imagination.
Far as i know the Jim dog was pure. As to his quality of work,i don't know.
Im pleased you seen through Mo,so im sure you can understand the possibility on him crossing staffords. Would you agree the DRS of recent times are far from the type which he first brought over ?
Im not saying the DRS is not pure stafford. Im just saying,like the other lines,there has been introductions to that blood,but not showing on paper. Sure,a lot look more of a stafford type than the other lines.
Like yourself,im not taken in by all the hype. They are only staffords..................but some were genuine dogs & deserve credit,whichever line they were from.

Unfortunately the Leicester dogs don't get the credit they deserve,as like said above,there was some very good dogs & they were pure english kc breeding. A lot of Englishmen were & still are hoodwinked by anything/anyone with Irish roots..............