I think that's the dumbest thing I've read on this forum. I'm not saying evs are the be all end all to the energy crisis, but it's a start. What will people use when you run out of oil? And FYI, we will always need oil to make 1000s of other products. You can't keep wasting it.

I guess we just go back to horses and wooden wheels when the oil is gone. That won't be good for the economy.

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We have the right to speak up, it's not about "hammering Obama" it's about questioning his performance. ~Bullseye

No. That totally wasn't the point. Maybe try reading the **** that gets posted instead of just spit balling everything?

The motor voter thing is set to change. DMV talks about it here. The WND link Spooky2 provided claims the state let's anybody with a pulse get a driver's license with no ID verification whatsoever, therefore when AB1461 goes into effect, all these "illegals" will be able to vote.

Problem with all that is, WND's information/fake news about getting a DRIVER'S LICENSE is absolutely false and because of that, the whole crux of their argument goes over a cliff. The DMV very definitely requires ID verification of each applicant. Maybe you can find that on the web or just read all the stuff I've posted twice now.

Spooky2 was talking Motor Voter. I proved the form necessary to register to vote. ON it under "California" it states a utility bill can be use for initial registration.

__________________A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

I think that's the dumbest thing I've read on this forum. I'm not saying evs are the be all end all to the energy crisis, but it's a start. What will people use when you run out of oil? And FYI, we will always need oil to make 1000s of other products. You can't keep wasting it.

I guess we just go back to horses and wooden wheels when the oil is gone. That won't be good for the economy.

oh so you believe in that peak oil. You know what happens, research is done and it leads to fracking, Oil is no longer considered a finite resource

eventually in a 1000 years sure we might run out, until then dont waste needlessly on EV regulations

oh so you believe in that peak oil. You know what happens, research is done and it leads to fracking, Oil is no longer considered a finite resource

eventually in a 1000 years sure we might run out, until then dont waste needlessly on EV regulations

Oh wow, you're really misinformed. Not a finite resource? 1000 years? Where do you get your bogus info, Trump? Haha At best we can stretch it another 120 years, more likey 49 years at current consumption rates. I get it, you'll be dead, so who cares.

F them right?

I just don't get why anyone would not want to tap into a real infinite source and leave the oil for manufacturing products like tires, air filters, and anything plastic. That, and it's likely we never find an alternative for big rigs. You should probably save that oil to keep stuff moving. Keep the economy going.

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We have the right to speak up, it's not about "hammering Obama" it's about questioning his performance. ~Bullseye

No. That totally wasn't the point. Maybe try reading the **** that gets posted instead of just spit balling everything?

The motor voter thing is set to change. DMV talks about it here. The WND link Spooky2 provided claims the state let's anybody with a pulse get a driver's license with no ID verification whatsoever, therefore when AB1461 goes into effect, all these "illegals" will be able to vote.

Problem with all that is, WND's information/fake news about getting a DRIVER'S LICENSE is absolutely false and because of that, the whole crux of their argument goes over a cliff. The DMV very definitely requires ID verification of each applicant. Maybe you can find that on the web or just read all the stuff I've posted twice now.

__________________A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

Oh wow, you're really misinformed. Not a finite resource? 1000 years? Where do you get your bogus info, Trump? Haha At best we can stretch it another 120 years, more likey 49 years at current consumption rates. I get it, you'll be dead, so who cares.

F them right?

I just don't get why anyone would not want to tap into a real infinite source and leave the oil for manufacturing products like tires, air filters, and anything plastic. That, and it's likely we never find an alternative for big rigs. You should probably save that oil to keep stuff moving. Keep the economy going.

not even close, where do you get your numbers, we havent even tapped into Alaska or Canada

Current estimates are around 2030 to reach peak. If the world hasn't begun a rapid shift to alternative renewable energy by then, the price of Oil will naturally skyrocket.

This is all beside the point however. The simple fact is EV's are a much simpler and better design for transportation as there are far fewer parts to wear out, no lubricating with oil, no maintenance in comparison and better performance.

not even close, where do you get your numbers, we havent even tapped into Alaska or Canada

I got my max number from a calculation I did from statistics reported by http://www.eia.doe.gov/. They gave three estimates for the total available supply of petroleum, which is referred to as the Ultimate Recovery Estimate. 5 years ago, I came up with 125 years max using their numbers with the current consumption rate.

The 49 year prediction came from BP. Notice they mention proved oil reserves. That means oil has a reasonable certainty (90% confidence) of being recoverable under existing economic and political conditions, with existing technology.

You don't need to tap certain areas to know an estimate of how much is there. Of course, new reserves can be found, but I'm talking about what we know RIGHT NOW. Not some what if we find some. I might find $20 in my car, but I don't create a budget based on that unlikely possibility.

Then there is oil that is unproven. This is oil in places we cant reach, don't have the tech to get, or it's not economically viable. Yeah, it will be real fun having to pay $100/gal if were down to getting oil from unproven.

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We have the right to speak up, it's not about "hammering Obama" it's about questioning his performance. ~Bullseye

Current estimates are around 2030 to reach peak. If the world hasn't begun a rapid shift to alternative renewable energy by then, the price of Oil will naturally skyrocket.

This is all beside the point however. The simple fact is EV's are a much simpler and better design for transportation as there are far fewer parts to wear out, no lubricating with oil, no maintenance in comparison and better performance.

I got my max number from a calculation I did from statistics reported by http://www.eia.doe.gov/. They gave three estimates for the total available supply of petroleum, which is referred to as the Ultimate Recovery Estimate. 5 years ago, I came up with 125 years max using their numbers with the current consumption rate.

The 49 year prediction came from BP. Notice they mention proved oil reserves. That means oil has a reasonable certainty (90% confidence) of being recoverable under existing economic and political conditions, with existing technology.

You don't need to tap certain areas to know an estimate of how much is there. Of course, new reserves can be found, but I'm talking about what we know RIGHT NOW. Not some what if we find some. I might find $20 in my car, but I don't create a budget based on that unlikely possibility.

Then there is oil that is unproven. This is oil in places we cant reach, don't have the tech to get, or it's not economically viable. Yeah, it will be real fun having to pay $100/gal if were down to getting oil from unproven.

This is all academic at this point.

Virtually every auto maker has a timeline to phase out ICE vehicles for EV production over the next decade.

And they aren't doing it for altruistic reasons like climate change and polution....they are doing it because the technolgy is better.