Post by Nice Kitty on Feb 12, 2013 16:55:54 GMT -5

Over the past 2-3 days, the forum has been spammed by a single user with multiple usernames who made false allegations about how this forum is operated.

It's obvious that this is a person with some butthurt over the twafflehouse and the fact that a hundred plus users migrated to this forum based upon the new management style.

I don't really like to see spammed posts all over multiple boards, but I thought I'd open it up for discussion.

What do you want us to do when that happens? At present, there is a single user who at the most recent count has registered 5 socks: Raymondo, Captain America, rfpcaller/Captain Americanus, John Doh, and Violation. We've basicallly designated all 5 usernames as suspected socks and limited their participation in the forum to the Moron Club. The sock posts haven't been edited, but they have been moved to a single board.

I just want to open it up for discussion. How do you want the board to handle trolling/spam? I think we've created a workable scenario for sockpuppets, but what about trolls that may pop up that don't share an IP address with existing users?

Do you want them to have full access to the forum?Do you want them limited to certain sections of the forum?Do you want them to be designated (different colored name)?

I just really want to do whatever the majority of posters here would prefer.

Post by Nice Kitty on Feb 12, 2013 17:09:45 GMT -5

True. One can never have too many chew toys.

On the flip side, i don't really want multiple dainty socks spamming all over the forum, though.

It offends my OCD.

And, it's kind of a tidiness thing. We basically have put all of the posts about the twafflehouse on a specific board for that purpose so that other users who aren't interested in twaf drama don't have all of their discussions interrupted by it.

What if we put repeat trolly/spammers in impolite conversations and the moron club?

Post by Si modo on Feb 13, 2013 9:11:42 GMT -5

Obvious socks (no guesswork....matching IPs) AND their sole purpose is to discredit PFFA and staff, Moron club and/or impolite convo, depending on content. Pure trashing/slandering of PFFA, put them in moron club. Any other trolling, Impolite convos so we can has us some fun with them.

And, of course, any malicious content or breaking of the TOS, shitcan the mofo. But, if they sock back in and don't break a rule, leave them in those two areas.

If they finally get it at some point in time, then we can reconsider releasing them from the padded cell.

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by Nice Kitty on Feb 13, 2013 9:16:03 GMT -5

On the flip side, do we want to remove ourselves from legitimate criticism? Manifold has a point, even though the OCD part of me is annoyed by trollers posting crap on multiple threads around the forum.

I'm more offended at the charges being leveled at ITM or Meister or any of the users here than I am about them being leveled at me, though.

Maybe we just want to relegate the IP-sharing socks to the Moron Club and let others with butthurt issues express them freely. Or, we could create a category just for attacking PFFA, and only relegate people to moron club if they spam multiple forums and after having posts moved, continue to do so.

I do not like the fact that USMB staff have made it a violation of the rules to criticize them, so it would be completely hypocritical of us to do the same.

I do want users of the forum to chime in on this.

How much free speech do you want? We're already constricted by legal considerations and the TOS of proboards/freeforums.net.

Post by manifold on Feb 13, 2013 9:21:54 GMT -5

On the flip side, do we want to remove ourselves from legitimate criticism? Manifold has a point, even though the OCD part of me is annoyed by trollers posting crap on multiple threads around the forum.

I'm more offended at the charges being leveled at ITM or Meister or any of the users here than I am about them being leveled at me, though.

Maybe we just want to relegate the IP-sharing socks to the Moron Club and let others with butthurt issues express them freely. Or, we could create a category just for attacking PFFA, and only relegate people to moron club if they spam multiple forums and after having posts moved, continue to do so.

I do not like the fact that USMB staff have made it a violation of the rules to criticize them, so it would be completely hypocritical of us to do the same.

I do want users of the forum to chime in on this.

How much free speech do you want? We're already constricted by legal considerations and the TOS of proboards/freeforums.net.

How much moderating do you want on this forum?

I like the idea of a forum specifically for questioning moderator actions.

I'd never shy away from being open about why I did or didn't take a particular action.

Post by Nice Kitty on Feb 13, 2013 9:24:40 GMT -5

Are people okay with a poster who has repeatedly spammed the same post in multiple threads and/or the shout box being relegated to certain specific sections of the forum (impolite conversation/"airing of grievances"?

That's an easy fix for us.

Or, if posters don't mind reading trollspam in other threads, we can just leave it alone and let the chips fall where they may?

I like the idea of an "airing of grievances" forum where the Defenders/Protectors and I can be called on the carpet.

The thing about it is...People have donated to make this forum a real thing...close to $200, in fact. So, to me, the forum belongs to all of us, not a select few.

I don't want to do anything here without some group consensus that it's the right direction to head in.

Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 9:24:57 GMT -5

I don't see admin here having the same thinking process as USMB. The core here obviously has the same basic values in a message board. The only real danger in a smaller board like this is bending rules for close friends. No amount of board discussion or PMs can change that, if it happens. Been on a number of small ones and it is definitely the biggest threat. Again, I don't see that here and I'm very happy about it. Thanks for the hard work folks. I'm sure this job got a whole lot bigger than any of you imagined very fast. Good transition.

Post by Si modo on Feb 13, 2013 9:25:22 GMT -5

On the flip side, do we want to remove ourselves from legitimate criticism? Manifold has a point, even though the OCD part of me is annoyed by trollers posting crap on multiple threads around the forum.

I'm more offended at the charges being leveled at ITM or Meister or any of the users here than I am about them being leveled at me, though.

Maybe we just want to relegate the IP-sharing socks to the Moron Club and let others with butthurt issues express them freely. Or, we could create a category just for attacking PFFA, and only relegate people to moron club if they spam multiple forums and after having posts moved, continue to do so.

I do not like the fact that USMB staff have made it a violation of the rules to criticize them, so it would be completely hypocritical of us to do the same.

I do want users of the forum to chime in on this.

How much free speech do you want? We're already constricted by legal considerations and the TOS of proboards/freeforums.net.

How much moderating do you want on this forum?

Exactly. IMO, if folks want to trash PFFA, they can. If they want to trash PFFA even if they are deluded, they can.

But, if they are an obvious repeat sock, put them in the padded cell. We can play with them, if we want. And, if they finally get that they have delusions, then they can join the rest of us.

Trolls who aren't socks? As far as I am concerned, they can post away and take what the posting community feels like giving them.

Maybe we can make a sub-form for complaints about PFFA? If the complaint is a valid/constructive one - like glitches, or I hate that I have to go through three pages if I choose to rep someone - that can go in the feedback forum.

If they are just stomping their feet saying PFFA is bad and shit and dishonest and whatever, without anything constructive about it, then give them a padded cell for their rants. Even nutjobs have the right to speech, unless it's slanderous (in a legal sense).

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

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