When did spying stop including the use of informants?
The answer is, liberals, libertarians, conservatives, and pretty much everyone but partisan shills consider it too important a topic to derail with brainless party sniping.

If you're going to hijack one of my threads to make allegations, make accurate allegations.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467523-EFF-s-Master-Plan-for-Ending-Global-Mass-Surveillance
Is this hijack over yet? Yes? Good.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., providers delete some search results, share encryption keys with security services, store every users’ personal data on servers within the country, censor opposition speech and delete opposition accounts, track users voluntarily or not through every site they surf, and sell private data to the highest bidder. And if they don't, the CIA cuts their funding.

He said some of those things, including some that Ron Paul was too much of a gentleman to say. Which was all it took for some people to decide he was breaking new ground (he wasn't) and 'off the reservation'.
He also played the alpha and said stuff to tie in people actual, ideological Ron Paul supporters would never choose as allies because that would cause the allies we already had to leave our side.
Throw in a media giving him a gazillion dollars' worth of free 'bad' publicity and you have an admirable recipe for dividing and conquering the Liberty Movement.

You're not a Team Player. If you were, you'd...
1. Pick a Side.
2. Harp on every hypocrisy committed by the Other Side.
3. Make up excuses for every hypocrisy committed by Your Side.
If you're going to insist on looking at the facts and judging hypocrisies on their true merits, you'll never be a Team Player. That may not be a sin, exactly, but it'll sure make you a pariah in certain circles.

I was just trying to remember the last major party presidential candidate not named Paul who didn't have a questionable character.
It was Jimmy Carter. Not much joy there. Though he did actually win the election. Democrats paid less attention to the mainstream media in those days.

No, I saw a link to a fedbook page I did not care to click. Now you claim my caution/boycott is due to a state of denial, and I remind you that a fedbook page proves exactly nothing--especially if it belongs to a Fed.
There. We're back where we began.

How quickly it got forgotten that Fox News was created to herd the sheep that had finally seen through the duplicity of the Libbural Meedya.
They bait hook after hook and Republicans chomp down on each and every one.

Yet more proof that all Washington does domestically is take our money, skim 60% off the top, and dole the remaining pittance back to those state and local governments which jump through all their hoops.
And we need those middlemen because...?

You said we should protect our kids from people we know, because all these random people we know are the ones raping kids...
That is NOT the case. The case seems to be that when the father is not present to protect their kids, children are raped at 20x the rate.
When a FATHER (most anyway..) sees someone like that following their kid into the freaking bathroom, they are going to get concerned, OK???

Trump is in George W. Bush territory. He read a poll that said Republican primary voters don't trust the media and he engineered his campaign accordingly.
Trump is a player, and the world is teeming with people begging to be played.

You figure repeating it will make it true?
I remember when Zippy spelled words as the English do. I remember several times Zippy's prose style changed, and he developed amnesia. He couldn't remember what happened last week. I remember when one day he was waxing eloquently about the Broncos, and the next he forgot that the Seahawks had not been an AFC team for years.
I don't refer to the Zippy account as 'they' because I think there's royalty involved.
And repeating stuff that denies the evidence which has passed before my eyes will not make me believe that stuff is true.

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