After 2 weeks of screwing around with getting the Irix dev backend, gcc and all the other various files loaded on my system and working, today I managed to get joe 2.8 text editor (from the source files from SGI freeware) compiled, installed and running as it should. This is the first "real" program (other than examples from A Guide to C) I have gotten to compile, install and work. A little tame for this group I know, but I am pretty happy. Thanks to all who posted help about getting gcc3.2.2 to work, it's much appreciated. It's going to be a Sierra-Navada Pale Ale night tonight