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Miller&Foster are both injury prone, so together they count as 1 player. He's an expiring as well.
Wes is a young, promising SG/SF, but is really underachieving so far for the Wolves. Still, he would be a decent role player for us, and with luck might even live up to his potential.

Miller&Foster are both injury prone, so together they count as 1 player. He's an expiring as well.
Wes is a young, promising SG/SF, but is really underachieving so far for the Wolves. Still, he would be a decent role player for us, and with luck might even live up to his potential.

What do you guys think?

Wes obviously needs a change of scenery. We do need a backup 3. That could open to the door to trading DJ or just keeping his minutes to the 2 spot. That also means that Lance's playing time will be garbage minutes only.

I like it though. Does Brad have anything left though? I still want to go after Robin Lopez, but I'm sure the Suns want to keep him.

First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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Brad is probably too old to get real minutes, but he's a vet and could probably split his minutes with Jeff/Lou. This is good front court depth imo.

And about Wes, I think he's a bit like Mayo. Really talented, but just can't seem to fit in his team. In his case, I think he also doesn't really know whether he's a 2 or a 3, having him off the bench with DJ means he could swing both positions (since DJ can play SG/SF..). We gain 2 good backups, one of them is old and expiring and the other young on a rookie deal. (though a big one)

The Hornets will probably do this trade. They shed salary and get a first round pick.

The Wolves are the question mark here. I think they will do it. Wes isn't a major piece for them (He has to split minutes with Beas and D-Will.. and doesn't seem to be their SG solution). With Rubio improving and Love becoming their franchise guy, a good center is their missing piece. With Kaman they could actually make the playoffs for the first time in a long time, which could be exciting for them.

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Why would we give a 1st and Aj Price to the Hornets and they give nothing to the Hornets? I would rather get Kaman for ourselves and they can Keep their Gimp washed up Miller and the 2010 4th pick Bust that has a hefty contract for sucking.

Pacers have a choice...Kaman or Miller and Wes for a 1st and Price? I'll take Kaman.

In fact, it might be possible to give them a couple 2nd rnd picks instead of a first.

Kaman is a immediate impact for further success for the remainder of the season and playoffs right now.

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I've added a restriction for the pick. Unprotected pick is too much, and I have changed it to 2012 first round, though I'd give them any general 1st round pick as long as it doesn't extend to unlimited time (for example, a lotto protected could be fine, or any 1st round pick from 2012-2013-2014-2015 as long as we are told ahead which pick they want)

About why we should help Minny get Kaman and not just take him: A 1st round pick for a guy who's going to be UFA and just be our backup for the season is too much in my opinion. I think he's a good upgrade but I don't think he's going to stay. In the case of Brad, well, he always liked us, and even though he's old I believe he's still working hard and can get some minutes.
About Wes, he's really the main piece here. He's on a rookie contract & we would have team option for him, which means he can be with us for long if we really want it. So really worst case for us in this is trading a 1st round pick for 2 role players that fill a need for us. Best case would be Wes breaking out, giving us the best bench in the league, and could even turn out to be part of our core group.

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How can Miller hurt? He makes 4.752m$ and is expiring. So bad case is him sucking or getting injured and not getting playing time. Good case is him splitting minutes with Foster, giving us the best front court depth in the league.

About Wes, I know that he shot awful last year, and that he shoots even worse this year, but I still think that he's AT LEAST a role player, and we need that. We need a backup 2/3, our wing depth isn't really good.
So he either turns out to be a role player and we take on his ~4.5m contract for 1.5 seasons, or he lives up to his potential, finds his game, and we get a future piece.

Role player or future starter, we win either way. If we don't find a good deal to add a major piece by the deadline, we should be doing this trade.

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You may be right about Johnson "in a few years", but don't you think Johnson should have the benefit of a those years b4 being labeled a bust? Not everyone develops at the same rate. Ask Billups and Nash to mention a few who were labeled as busts by talent evaluators such as yourself.

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Sorry Wolves got a bust in Wes, but we shouldn't have to pay for their bad luck.

AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW?? If you had prefaced your statement by saying "it looks like the Wolves might have a bust", I might take your post with some credence, but you didn't so I don't. It's nothing more than just your opinion as such. If you don't like the trade fine, but you don't need slam Miller as a Gimp and Johnson as a bust. Geez!

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AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW?? If you had prefaced your statement by saying "it looks like the Wolves might have a bust", I might take your post with some credence, but you didn't so I don't. It's nothing more than just your opinion as such. If you don't like the trade fine, but you don't need slam Miller as a Gimp and Johnson as a bust. Geez!

I have watched Wes play more then I desire and he is really bad. I can care less if you don't want to give me credence because of a "preface". They are both lame ducks and I don't want Pacers salary to go to them!!!