I have dogs for running coyotes and they don’t slow down they run to catch. But coyotes are way smarter than a person gives them credit for and are more elusive than fast. I don’t think dogs are slowing down so much as they can only run as fast as they can track. So if the smelling isn’t very good dogs can’t run that fast. Unless it’s running by sight.

STait: Don't have any photos like yours. Only had one real opportunity to get a good shot but no camera. Both Griffs were chasing a coyote and Ellie started out in the rear. They went out of sight behind a hill but then popped into view above my position. Ellie had passed the other dog and was about ten yards behind the Coyote and I thought, OH $#!%, she's going to catch that thing!!! Luckily the Coyote made it to the thick brush and the chase soon ended. That little girl could fly. I've watched her run full tilt toward a barb wire fence when hunting and she knew it wasn't smart to go through so she'd go over. Running through sage was the same. Easier to go over than around. Where I Chukar hunted for several years, it was about a five mile walk to get out where the hunting was good. Lots of those days we went to various places just to check them out and maybe get a bird or two before hitting the good stuff. Always wanted to make a full day of it. The short days involved getting a limit before getting to the good stuff and walking maybe 8 miles but we'd be back to the truck before noon instead of 4:30. Really enjoyed those long hunts, walking back to the truck, air getting cold as the sun goes down, ice on the puddles starting to form again. Dang that was nice.

orhunter wrote:15 miles a day for a Chukar hunting dog is hardly a workout. I'd do close to that myself on the average day. Never put a Garmin on my Griff but she had to be doing well over 40 a lot of those days when she was young. She never did anything slow.

From a guy who has a gps on every run and everyone of his friends has a gps on every run. You are correct 15 is an average day or even short day. I see a lot of 20 mile runs for the dog. The dog usually does 3 to 4 miles to 1 per person.

I am calling bull$#*! on 40 miles and 15 for you. I know some dudes who are absolute mountain goats that don't do that and they are running far ranging dogs. The most miles we have seen on a dog gps is just under 30.

Here are a few pics of the dogs and how similar they are built. Most of these guys are about 29" rather than the standard 23". They could get right on a coyote on favorable ground , but, the coyotes had to resort to zigging and zagging because they didn't have any more gears to pick up. These dogs couldn't make the sharp turns like a 30 lb coyote when they are going full steam.

Ignorance can be fixed but stupid is forever.Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible IF you don't know what you are talking about.

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Jim Beam in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

When I'm out there 7 or 8 hours, that's only 2 mph. The ground is relatively flat with a single short grade less than half a mile long with any serious elevation change. I'm not climbing up out of the Deschutes canyon to get to the top, I drive and hunt down with maybe no more than 300 ft elevation change. When hunting over around Richland, The days are shorter and steeper but probably going close to 10 or 12 miles. When I get up on top, I can't tell where I parked the truck it's so far away and so far down. I don't walk anywhere close to a straight line to get there or get back. Probably have a minimum of 800 ft. elevation change.

Orhunter, I hunt a lot of evenings leaving home at like 1:00-2:00 with the sun going at 5:30-6:00 so many of my hunts are 2 1/2 hours to 4 hours long. Plus, I’ve got 5 dogs so have to switch them up when I can. I don’t hunt a lot of Saturday’s because I don’t want to run into other hunters even though most places I hunt get very little pressure. I may be doing some longer hunts this year because I’m going to scout some areas closer to home.

Btw, in my photos my dogs are just hunting, not chasing anything. That’s another gear.

orhunter wrote:A friend who I sold a male Griff to put a gps on the dog and one on an EP another fellow had for the days hunt. At the end, the guys went 6 miles, the Griff went around 24 miles and the EP 23.

STait wrote:Don, 29” at the withers makes for some long legs and stride. Good for eating up ground.

Steve, they did pretty good at eating mup the ground, but, on a sight race sprinting they couldn't make the tight turns. That is why multiple sight hounds are used. This first pic is Geronimo at 85lbs the second one is one of his offspring crossed to a staghound.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/ ... an011r.jpg

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Jim Beam in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

STait wrote:Don, 29” at the withers makes for some long legs and stride. Good for eating up ground.

Steve, they did pretty good at eating mup the ground, but, on a sight race sprinting they couldn't make the tight turns. That is why multiple sight hounds are used. This first pic is Geronimo at 85lbs the second one is one of his offspring crossed to a staghound.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/ ... an011r.jpg