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Lord Simian wrote:You remember when they did the Access crossovers? They created this character, Access, to be co-ownedby both companies, so he could appear in either's books. And they made a big desk out of "when this crossover ends, not every character will be in their own universe!"

It was interesting that Access was never mentioned in the JLA/ Avengers crossover as he would have been perfect in it instead of using Kismet and Eternity in his place. But then again they acted like the previous crossovers beforehand weren't canon so whoever wrote JLA/ Avengers never read the earlier stuff.

You know, saying in interviews and shit that they wanted to see about trading characters, like Daredevil goes to DC and Nightwing goes to Marvel. Man, 1990's/early 2000's me was all kinds of excited about that prospect. This would open untold doors of story possibility, it might be a new era of awesome....

And nothing. I don't think Access has been used since. And thus did Young Simian learn about "bullshit marketing hype".

It was interesting that Access was never mentioned in the JLA/ Avengers crossover as he would have been perfect in it instead of using Kismet and Eternity in his place. But then again they acted like the previous crossovers beforehand weren't canon so whoever wrote JLA/ Avengers never read the earlier stuff.

Grayson wrote:Yeah, I remember that and that is actually something that I would have really loved to see. Hell, I would still love to see that. How awesome would it be if they did some huge inter-company crossover and a handful of each company's characters were trapped in the other universe for a year? The potential for some unique storytelling would be endless and I think we could get some really fun, really great stories out of it.

DC doesn't want to use Wally West right now? Imagine a Marvel book where Wally West ends up in New York City, becomes Peter Parker's room mate, and then interacting with Avengers villains. Too bad it will never happen though. Stupid DC and Marvel!

The same thing they could do with Stephanie and Cassandra who the Didiocracy are going out of their way to ignore. They could easily show up as Avengers or something. Plus I heard that Quesada said that if he got a chance to use Jean Paul Valley as Azrael at Marvel he would so they could easily have all these characters show in Marvel, seeing as how DC doesn't know what to do with them.

chap22 wrote:I really don't get the argument that there HAS to be some kind of lasting change or some kind of imbalance in character spotlight for a crossover likethisto be worth reading. Sometimes it's ok for a story just to be fun, y'know? Have familiar characters who never interact with each other team up to face threats they haven't faced before. You can get new insights into the characters as seen through the eyes of other characters, that can be as interesting as some forced change for change's sake. If Marvel and DC could come up with something that promised to be fun, I'd read it.

That said, most of the ones they did back in the day weren't. They ranged mostly from dull to horrible, with just a few notable exceptions: I'm still partial to the old giant-sized Batman vs. the Hulk, the X-Men/Teen Titans one vs. Darkseid and Dark Phoenix (with Deathstroke), and my personal favorite JLA/Avengers, which was just so much damn fun IMMO it was worth the 25-year wait. But if they can't come up with something to equal those, I'd just as soon they do nothing.

draco x wrote:But then again they acted like the previous crossovers beforehand weren't canon so whoever wrote JLA/ Avengers never read the earlier stuff.

Maybe, but that's a big leap to say they never read it, just cause it wasn't treated as Canon. I mean, Tim Burton's Batman films weren't treated as Canon in Batman Begins, but I don't think that means no one associated with the Nolanverse ever saw them...

JL/Avengers happened, its referenced in the Handbooks of the Marvel Universe. They even call the league the "distinguished competition" and didn't Busiek reference stuff when he briefly wrote JLA (108-114 the "syndicate rules" arc).

draco x wrote:It was interesting that Access was never mentioned in the JLA/ Avengers crossover as he would have been perfect in it instead of using Kismet and Eternity in his place. But then again they acted like the previous crossovers beforehand weren't canon so whoever wrote JLA/ Avengers never read the earlier stuff.

Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Kurt Busiek, who wrote JLA/Avengers, also wrote Iron Lantern - one of the Amalgam books.

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

e_galston wrote:JL/Avengers happened, its referenced in the Handbooks of the Marvel Universe. They even call the league the "distinguished competition" and didn't Busiek reference stuff when he briefly wrote JLA (108-114 the "syndicate rules" arc).

If I'm not mistaken, the rewriting of the universes in JLA/Avengers was the reason that whole storyline happened...