@kenralph People don’t really seem to care about anything unless it fits their narrative. Hard facts are dismissed as some sort of alternative truth

. Read the comments to the video and you still get all sorts of made up nonsense. Clearly the video has a bias but I scrolled through a fair few and the responses ranged from “don’t care” through to “you can make facts say anything”. One even thought we could only currently trade with 6% of the world - not heard that one before.

Before any Brexit supporters moan, as I proved on this thread there was some really ridiculous stuff made out by Remain. I also strongly disapprove of some of the inferences of that video where all Brexiteers are lumped together (the video should have made it clear which individuals inferred what. As for the Katy Hopkins bit I don’t see it as at all relevant. It’s one individuals sceptic opinion that most people in this country wouldn’t stand by.

I think this is perhaps the problem with the Brexit debate (or one of them). When pretty horrendous lies (as I pointed out with the bus on another thread, there was no need to lie) or statements are used alongside blanket terms for whole swathes of the population then people will kick back, and not always rationally. It all then just descends into farce.

I think you are right that a core issue of the Brexit debate is knowing what are facts and who to trust. Michael Gove famously dismissed 'experts' - but remember that was in the context that said experts were not saying things that fit in with his narrative.

Not all info about Brexit is fake news. Some of it is undoubtedly true. Take the bloke in the video who pointed out that putting up trade barriers is bad for the economy, because it makes us less competitive - especially with our biggest market. Which is what leaving the EU means. So there will be a cost to us. All sorts of scenarios have been suggested, but every single one says we will be worse off. And for some considerable time to come.

If that's what people want, then OK, vote for it. But don't pretend it's not that the one thing will not cause the other. To claim that we should “respect the result” even if it trashes people’s livelihoods and impoverishes the country is fanaticism.