FEATURE: Pretty Fly For A White Guy

In the September 2003 issue of XXL magazine, we asked 25 rap artists to list their top five MCs. Only seven named Eminem. That’s more votes than Cassidy, Sadat X and Smoke from Field Mob got, but fewer than Biggie, Rakim, Tupac, Jay-Z and Nas. The results were something of an upset, considering that, at the time, Eminem was a global pop icon. He was both matinee idol and the original SoundScan Killer. The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show had already sold over 21 million albums, and his debut film, the semiautobiographical 8 Mile, had grossed $116 million domestically. The back of his baseball card was flawless.

Not impressed by statistics? He was also at, or at least very near, the top of the game in six stylistic categories: best flow, best wordplay, most controversial, wildest imagination, best storytelling (for “Stan” alone) and funniest album skits. Maybe his interviews could have been hotter. But by just about any conceivable measure, Marshall Mathers III was a legitimate candidate for the title of Best Rapper Alive. MTV2 thought so, ranking him third on their June 2003 22 Greatest MCs program, behind only Biggie and Tupac.
Which brings us back to that seven out of 25. Seven out of 25? Was his nasal voice that annoying? Were his drug references too explicit? His imagery too gory? His insults too childish? Or did it have nothing to do with tone or lyrics? Maybe it was something he had no control over. Like his skin color. And that, for better or worse, put him on a different playing field.

Do you remember the first time you heard Eminem? For me, it was early 1998, freshman year of college. The biggest rap nerd in the dorm had a new mixtape. I want to say it was a DJ A. Vee cassette. Yes, cassette, and Eminem was featured on two songs: Old World Disorder’s “3hree6ix5ive” (which was identified as “the underground shit that you did with Skam” on “Stan”) and Shabaam Sahdeeq’s “5 Star Generals.”
My first impression, however, wasn’t pure. Before Em’s verse came on, my friend revealed the big secret: “He’s White.” In retrospect, I was grading his performance on a curve. Sure, there were some good White rappers around, like El-P of Company Flow or Cage, but they weren’t even sniffing the mainstream. In 1998, rap fans—Black, White, everyone—were skeptical of White rappers. Eminem was no different. “I liked you/Thought you were okay for a White dude,” he’d say himself, of Everlast, on the 2000 diss record “I Remember—Dedication to Whitey Ford.”

For most people, the first time they heard Eminem was the same as the first time they saw Eminem. In early 1999, when the “My Name Is” video debuted on MTV’s Total Request Live, nobody could avoid his whiteness. The clip goofed on the issue, with Eminem playing dress-up as a Leave It to Beaver–like suburban dad, tacky talk-show host, chemistry teacher, Bill Clinton, Marilyn Manson, etc. He was obviously courting the TRL pop mainstream—okay, let’s just say it—White audience from the get-go. Remember, “My Name Is” was even mixed with AC/DC’s 1981 metal classic “Back in Black” and played on rock radio.
The song, video and AC/DC mash-up were greater reflections on White culture than Black culture. But does that mean Black people didn’t eat it up? Of course not. Eminem appealed to everybody. His subject matter was universal: broken home, dead-end jobs, drugs, the claustrophobia of the hood, the struggle with leaving it behind and, of course, baby-mama drama. Hip-hop accepted him. “In my opinion, it is not an issue,” said Jay-Z of Eminem’s whiteness, in the March 2003 issue of XXL. “I mean, he can rhyme. The guy’s got skills.” Nas chimed in with, “The dude lives, breathes, eats and shits hip-hop.”
But could a White guy be considered the best practitioner of an art form created by African-Americans?-Thomas Golianopoulos

For more of the Pretty Fly For A White Guy story, make sure to pick up XXL’s June issue on newsstands now.

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I remeber when my boy was trying hard to get me to buy the Slim Shady LP, i was in high school “softhmore”. I didn’t have a job so money was hard to come by and all i had was a $20. back then you walked into the cd store with $20 u would leave with pocket change. I can’t remember I was gonna buy some other cd (forgive me a nolimit something lol) but I got the slim shady lp. on the way walking home with my walkman cd player liten to it “1 hours walk”. the cd was dope as hell and I didn’t want to let my friend get the head phones lol.

Is em the greatest, thats an opinion that can be fliped an twisted by different tastes of what people like. but no doub he is one of the best out there.

I liked Em before it was “cool” to like his music.
But are you really gonna rank this guy ahead of Pac? or Face? or Nas? Not on his beat day!
Is Em better than Jay? that is good question!

Scott

the first time for me was when i friend played it for me snd i was like who is this and he told me the cd just came out but i don’t think it blew up just yet and i went to meijer store to by it and could not find it because i was looking for M&M lol.

w.redz

He’s nice but not top 10 or 20 all-time. OVERRATED

Alex

Well I think i would rank him Best Rapper Alive and second all time only to 2Pac. I don’t think Biggie was all that great, it was like they say when an artist dies his works value goes up, like for painters paintings. I think both Biggie and JayZ are way over rated but someone like Pac who’s songs still send a message that is relative this many years after his death speaks volumes of his talent. Em is not your average rapper he has let everyone in his life with his lyrics you feel like you know him. He does make some songs that are just meant to have a catchy beat and hook it is usually his first couple of singles but thats just the hook to get airplay you know there are alot of songs on the rest of his albums that would be just bleeped out to much that are great songs just not radio friendly. Most other rappers are just following a “blue print” no pun intended, you know “my twenty inch wheels” guns and drugs they don’t elevate rap they are just milking the fact that it is popular after all more people danced in the club to “Big Pimpin” than to “Stan” you know what I mean? So sorry if you don’t agree with me it just my opinion don’t mean to piss of Jay Z fans or Biggie’s either they are abviously a big part of hip hop, just not the greatest in my opinion.

PARIS PERSHUN

WELL ANYONE WHO COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS HIP HOP COMPETITION OR COMPARISONS HAS ALREADY GRASPED THE CONCEPT OF “THERE CANNOT BE A #1 BEST MUFUCKA”…. EMINEM IS THE SHITASTIC… NO DOUBT ABOUT IT… BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS POINT OUT SOMETHIN, AT LEAST ONE THING, THAT ANOTHA MUFUCKA DOES BETTA THAN THE OTHA MUFUCKA… AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS IT PULLS THE MINDS OF THE CONSUMER AND THEY SAY “O HE BETTA THAN HIM” OR “HE THE BEST ALIVE”….. YEAH YEAH YEAH NIGGAS!!!!! TOO MUSH SKILL IN THE GAME FOR ONE NIGGA TO JUST BE COMPLETELY DOMINANT OVER EVERYBODY….. AND IF IT WAS POSSIBLE….. WE KNOW THAT WOULD BE(COUGHS) SHAWN COREY CARTER!!!!

(LEANS BACK AND TURNS “ALLURE” WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY THE FUCK UP- THE BEST SONG THAT NIGGA DID IN MY OPINION- BLACK ALBUM.))

Mario

Man your an idiot Bottom line Jay-z Sucks he ain’t been good since the Black album.

TED

DUDE YOU’RE STUPID!!!JAY STILL SMASHES HALF
THESE CRAPPY RAPPERS!!

jbird

Mario just started listening to rap. Excuse him. Jay Z sucked from the Black album on. That was the last Jay cd I bought. Wish I had taken it back. See Jay Z was good only for Vol. 2, Vol. 3, and Dynasty(classic). The Dynasty is my fav of Jay Z. He was done after that. Vol. 1 gave J a jump and he started to get all big headed after that duet with Big. Vol. 2 you can feel his hunger. Vol. 3 you can feel he’s shining doing his thing. The Dynasty he’s just kicked back having fun. Eventhough not a big fan of Beanie, he tears it up on The Dynasty. Jay Z is a classic, but there’s better out now.

pointgodkg

that’s exactly y jay’s tha best u c tha growth the variety nobody else has it………em’s 1st and last album are the same….pplz plz….eminem greatest come on

jbird

ya i agree ain’t no #1 rapper. they all got their own way. can’t forget about my man Fab with his punchlines. jay z does got his shit and i bumped it back in 2000. before jay you had master p and all his ‘hood stories’. nas with all his g.o.d. metaphors and stories. drag-on even got skills – check out his cd To Hell And Back. lil zane’s first cd is a CLASSIC!! love the song Money Stretch off Next Friday!! mobb deep – Infamous. nelly? dre? who knows, they all got their skills. check out Profit – Slangin Dem Thangs off Cradle 2 Grave soundtrack. Bishop Lamont is a star on the rise. But, for the best artist, he’s already dead. My guy Stack Bundles is the BEST ARTIST!!! Check him out. He was poppin shit off way before Jenny Jones. Pyrex Stacks lives on!!! RIP Rayqueon Elliot

Chase Pryor

Eminem is the best rapper of all time, black people just won’t admit that a white guy is the best at a primarly black genre and a genre started by black people

He’s never gotten the “full” respect he deserves as the best that ever did it. Lyrically there is NO ONE that can touch him. Biggie?? Tupac?? are you kidding me?? Of course they were two of the best, they had great everything, songs, hooks, lyrics, stories, charisma, but lyrically?? and the total package??? Not even close to Eminem, and it’s sad that some people will never give him the respect he deserves as the best lyricist of all time, because that’s what he is.

Hands down? i dont see how any artist can easily be number one when they have at LEAST two shitty albums. i love nas. but lets be real…not number one. the greatest rapper of all time is and will remain the NOTORIOUS B.I.G

DETROIT

how can you be the best rapper ever with only 2 albums? longevity is the hardest thing for a rapper to achieve! there are a lot of rappers whose 1st 2 albums are classic…..spice 1, ice cube, nas, big daddy kane, rakim, krs 1, jay-z, etc. the hardest thing for a rapper to do is make like 5 good albums. the only shitty nas album is nastradamus. and when you look at “shitty albums”, you have to reallize that all real artists have a few shitty albums, because they’re constantly evolving! prince has shitty albums, bob marley, stevie wonder, etc. that doesn’t mean that they’re not great!

DIRTY

yeah you right they had amazing albulms but they wasnt ready to die or life after death. big was a BEAST he gets my vote

ronnie

sorry but the best were rakim and krs-one. respect the golden era. em is nasty and is in the top ten. heck, god big l was way better than big. youtube him if you don’t have don’t have lifestylez

louieG

you must smoke a lot of weed homie biggie better than pac??? you need to get off those drugs… Pac # !111 eminem # 222

DETROIT

NAS > Eminem

eminem is a white version of redman! he’s good, but not top 5!

Moi

in some ways, very much so. but em also went places we never heard red go. not saying he’s the greatest but there are differences.

all of them minus encore.12 years later people are still talkin about his first two cds.plus,hell i still bump the shit out of almost all the shady/aftermath shit.

tru predator

all of them.10 or twelve years later people are still talkin about his first two cds.hell im still bumpin the shit out of most of the shady/aftermath cds.

tru predator

that is minus encore.

illp

me for a black guy i think eminem is not the best ever but maybe we can discuss about if he is the best alive eminem is on the top 10 best of all time that’s fo sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dusty boy

black white, fuck it the dude wrecks!!!!

og bobby j

Eminem is top 5…has to be. He literally changed the game.

2pac -Pac gets top spot of his massive catalog and wide topic range
Biggie – embodied an entire movement and he could spit…
Eminem – commercial success and absolute beat on the mic.
Jay – great but not since black album
Big Pun – best flow evar….2 albums was all he needed
Nas -Nas is legit…but he misses too often. It was written was his best album…IMO

Thats top 6….

“got so many ways to diss u/ that im playful with you/ima let this razor slit you/ until they have to staple stitch you/ and everybody in this fuckin place will miss you/ if you try to turn my facial tissue/ into a racial issue.” -eminem

DETROIT

i’m an eminem fan…BUT HE DID NOT CHANGE THE GAME! see that’s where race comes in…people who hadn’t listened to much rap, heard em, and automatically assumed that he created the shock rap genre. in reality, niggas like brother lynch hung, gravediggaz, etc. been doin the same type of rap em does!

also, no one on your list came prior to 1990! that’s like saying that of the top 10 nba players ever, all of them are currently active! to me that makes your list invalid. not tryin to diss you, but that’s my opinion. ice cube doesn’t make your list, no big daddy kane, no ll, rakim?

og bobby j

I feel you with the 1990 shit…but that is what makes it my list….to me, rap pre 1990 was ass….IMO

Also, he did change the game with the cross over of acceptance between hip hop and pop culture. The other flunkies you mentioned about shock rap…i never heard of…so not saying they werent doing it…but the def werent doing it as well…

I smell what ya saying…i just dont agree.

DETROIT

here’s the thing that makes eminem a hard artist to rate….the fact that he’s white creates skewed #s. until recently, rap has never been about how many albums were sold. shit, in the early 90s, late 80s, underground shit was generally held in higher regard than POPular shit. by eminem being white, his audience was waaaay bigger than a black artist. also, his whiteness made it easier to get his shit played. for example, no black artist could make a video burying their mom, and get it played on mtv! that’s a fact! that’s why you never heard of any of the “flunkies” that i mentioned above. i was in college when em came out, and i was shocked at how cold white kids thought em was! it took me a while, but then i reallized that the reason he was so well accepted by whites was due to the fact that they understood him far more than they did many black artists. em used no slang, had no “swag”, and had a pretty str8 forward style. i played scarface for these same kids that worshiped em, and it had no effect. but in reality, to most black guys, “never seen a man cry” by face, is deeper than anything em has ever said.

basically my point is…musically, em is not a ground breaking mc, if he were black, he’d be a backpacker and not sell many records! EM is the shit, but what he does has been done many times before him! I’D SAY THE THE BEASTIE BOYS CHANGED THE GAME MORE THAN EM!

Were Read 2 Def

^That quote is ill son!

ronnie

again, respect the golden era. god krs-one, god rakim, god big l, god kool g rap and god em in that order. before posting, how about listening to the gods that gave birth to god nas and god jay-z

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Nope, I can’t call ANY one emcee the greatest to ever do it… not even BIG and Pac. I can’t even fill out a “top 5″ list. It’s impossible!!

Lets just say that Em is way up there.

http://xxlmag.com PM

to DETROIT, Im listrning to em’s new shit on youtube and he got some brother lynch type shit on there. thats the first thing I thought when I heard “dam can’t think of the song name bagpipes form baghdad I think. ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld90f7WCDm4

Chris S

he rhymed the word “orange”!

thats all i have to say. G.O.A.T.

Brownie

I think for a start if it came down to beef i dont think any of the 6 above part from biggie n pac would beat eminem. Jay-Z would get terrored by the game never mind eminem. This guys got some dope lyrical talent, i no theres been sum shite like my first single n terrible shit like that but the guy changed the game and sold millions. Listen to the lines about suckin his step dad off in ‘insane’ he kills it.

DETROIT

what good dis song has em made? who has he dissed? 8 mile was a movie dog…not real life!

NAS, PAC, and BIG destroy niggas when it comes to dis records!

og bobby j

em has many a good diss records….granted most of them were directed at ja rule and benzino….but that “nail in the coffin” joint going at benzino was hardbody

tru predator

you aint heard shit till you heard his battle rhymes quitter and bully

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yo Detroit, if Em wasn’t an dope mc you wouldn’t have posted at least 5 time telling us why he isn’t. you wouldn’t even care about him enough to even read this feature. When it comes to music you really can’t say he or she is the greatest, as music is so diverse this person likes conrty and this person hates it. you can go all day with this debate. the only real judgment is the numbers, how much sold. because at the end of the day thats what its about you may be the shi, but if no-one likes it enough to buy it who cares.

DETROIT

“the only real judgment is the numbers, how much sold.”

so vanilla ice, bone, and hammer are in your top 10?

how many sold is how you judge pop music, not rap! some of the greatest rap albums ever barely went platnum! Em is the shit…but put it this way, america is 66% white and 12% black, so if you make something culturally relevant for blacks, it’s always gonna sell way less that something culturally relevant for whites. problem is, rap is black music.

also, i’m at work hommie, i luv to debate you guys, cuz it makes my day go by faster. Like i said tho, em is good, but the fact that so many people call him ground breaking just shows that alot of those people didn’t listen to much rap prior to em.

http://xxlmag.com PM

vanilla ice, bone, and hammer. yeah when I was 9 10 years old the where the shit to me. you can’t say you don’t know their top songs. the fact that everyone knows who they are is the point. Its about the business of making money. that is where im going with this. Thats all there is at the end of the day did you make a buck. I could come out with a cd with the title lick my balls and eat shit, but If a sell a few million can you really hate?

DETROIT

i couldn’t hate at all! but that would make you a great hustler, not a great rapper.

being a great rapper has to do with raps, not money. being a great rap hustler has to do with money, not raps…feel me?

http://xxlmag.com PM

alright I’ll give you that. I think it really comes to if you can make good music that people like. There are plenty of good rappers that can’t make a hit/good song. But today when you can just bit torent an full cd weeks before it comes out, it is hard as hell to sell records. Its like people don’t even repect real skills on the mic. I geuss thats why hustling is more praised then skills. But at the end of the day everyone has their top 5, 10 Mc’s list. For today when you can get the full cd for free, if you can still sell records thats saying a lot.

Fuerte

I don’t give a shit about the “best ever” b/c it’s something that can’t really be proven it’s all opinion. But em has a good catalog of diss tracks it was his bread and butter early on. He kilt Everlast on Quitter.
————
First off, fuck your songs and the shit you say
Diss my wife, but at least I got a bitch, you gay
You claim to be a Muslim but you Irish White
So fuck you fat boy, drop the mic, let’s fight
Plus I punch you in the chest, weak hearts I rip
Whitey Ford, forty and white, lethargic ass dickhead
I keep ‘em comin while you runnin out of breath
Steady duckin while I’m punchin at your chest, you need to rest
Dilated, go ask your people how I leave ya
with your three CD’s, nobody sees, when they released
Evidence, don’t fuck around with real MC’s
who ain’t ready for no underground beef, so fuck geeks
I let you faggots know it’s on for life
but Everlast might die tonight, haha
Fat boy murdered on wax and killed
Fuck with me and take a heart pill, you know!

ever heard the cannibus diss???

in my view em may be the most potent diss rapper of all time… to here him go all in– go listen to his cannibus dis on youtube— that was just fukin insane– i mean, ether was sick but em took that shit to a whole different level…

what sets em apart as a diss rapper is the crazy flows he gets into while spelling things out with his trademark sickly, detailed wordplay—but the real key to his goat diss status is that he actually personalizes the insults based on facts and actual events– not just the usual “ur a bitch” type shit– you get a taste of it on “guilty conscience ” when he makes fun of dre–all based on real shit that actually happened….-matter fact, i haven’t heard that cannibus diss in a while, im going to go check it out right now… if you’ve heard that joint still disagree then so be it, but you definitely have to hear that b4 making a decision

Young History in the Making

he is in my top 5 (and not number 5 either..) but my top 5 is waaaaayyyyyy different than a lot of ppl on here..(jay-z, eminem, chamillionaire, fabolous, ludacris). and plus eminem would be just as good as he is if he wasnt white, shit, he’d be just as good if he was hispanic or asian…talent is talent and dude is definately talented. for me a strong point to stress is lyrical content plus being able to stay current…then on top of that being able to play earlier shit and it still makes you feel like youre just hearing it…biggie cant be the goat with just 2 albums under his belt (we never will know how he evolves). and pac cant be the goat because his antics and other shit he got into outside of rapping overshadowed his music to me in my opinion..jay evolved from runnin behind jaz-o, luda evolved from the goofy kid he started out as and still is just as lyrical, fab evolved from sayin his name in every rhyme, and chamillioniare had to make paul wall good back in the day..

tru predator

i agree i cant understand why anyone would be dumb enough to battle him.i feel sorry or haystak and rick ross once he starts to put them in check.you you might want to che the you tube videos of this dude i saw last night.i swear he is every bit as dope as eminem in battle.dude is insane. check out iron solomen.dudes fuckin raw,he has several battle videos on you tube

http://xxl ryan

chris shut up he just made up a word for orange idiot. eminem didnt change the game he was just a great mc(used 2 be). cam n dmx were doin suicidal rhymes before em. oh yea the game has probably change a few times n em is not one of those times. bottomline is just becuz u are a great mc doesnt mean u change the game. n whoever said jayz second album was a classic is an idiot 2.

Chris S

“set to blow college dorm room doors off the hinges/
ORANGES, peach, pears, plums, saringes/
brimmm brimmm, yeah here i come, i’m inches/
away from you here, fear none/
hip hop is in a state of 9-1-1″

those all look like real words to me

Kid O$O

i seriously was doubting his album and was talking shit.. but his album silenced me.. nice album

jojo

To paraphrase Killer Mike, if you have not given me Illmatic, if you have not given me Ready to Die, then you are not the greatest.

Renegade02

The best is prince rakim allah / then knowledge reigns supreme {krs} 1 / the the emcee with the hardest album eva recorded nasir jones. Then we have the JAY- hova of rap. Then there is pac & big. Now lets go underground. Immortal technique, chino xl , Dmx etc. . . Shady is sweet but not the best matter of fact he isnt even the best emcee in D-12.

P.S am not an eminem fan am an eminem stan. . .

Mutada al sader the king

I’m a black dude, and ryme for ryme, flow for flow, lyric for lyric, album for album. Range as in subject matter, abilty to tell stories, personal songs, knowledge and the ability to improve over time.

Eminem could certaily be considered the best of all time.

I do not condone any of what he speaks about, most of it is vile. But in comparison to a lot of other rappers, he’s certainly one of the best if not the best rapper of all time.

http://www.soulbodega.net AVENGER XL

1st off there is no such thing as a G.O.A.T. that is a marketing tool and a conversation piece for bored fools who enjoy hypothetical arguments. What relates to you is too personal to ever be non bias on what is the greatest in any artform. Who is the greatest painter of all times? Guess what can’t name one all time hasn’t past cats are still painting. Now if the genre was dead like Nas said you could see who had the most effect with the greatest technical skill etc… and come up with an answer. But in the meantime this discussion is a prompted situation in order to sell more of the frisbee he is about to unleash on the masses if you haven’t already downloaded it. Well at least XXL is the greatest sell out media whore magazine in hip-hop history.

Avenger XL

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1st off there is no such thing as a G.O.A.T. that is a marketing tool and a conversation piece for bored fools who enjoy hypothetical arguments. What relates to you is too personal to ever be non bias on what is the greatest in any artform. Who is the greatest painter of all times? Guess what can’t name one all time hasn’t past cats are still painting. Now if the genre was dead like Nas said you could see who had the most effect with the greatest technical skill etc… and come up with an answer. But in the meantime this discussion is a prompted situation in order to sell more of the frisbee he is about to unleash on the masses if you haven’t already downloaded it. Well at least XXL is the greatest sell out media whore magazine in hip-hop history.

Sway-z

Rakim said it best
“If Eminem were black, they’d be calling him the greatest”

Em doesn’t talk black people shit, most of us can’t relate to hating their mom or living in trailer parks, but lyric for lyric, just the actual skill of rhyming, I don’t think it’s even close. Listen to “Underground” off of relapse and you have to give it up to him

JLC

DETROIT says:

what good dis song has em made? who has he dissed? 8 mile was a movie dog…not real life!

NAS, PAC, and BIG destroy niggas when it comes to dis records!

SO YOUR TRYING TO SAY THAT EM DIDNT COMPLETLY RUIN JA RULE AND BENZINOS CAREERS? CUZ I THINK THATS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAW, ARE YOU REALLY FROM DETROIT? SHIT DUDE…..but on another note twiztid’s new cd w.i.c.k.e.d. is the fuckin shit, big ups to the D, yall got alot of talent out there, except icp, they had a couple good ones……..but that new twiztid is the shit……..oh and EMINEM = G.O.A.T…………..

DETROIT

1. benzino never had a career.

2. 50 ended ja’s career

3. I’m from definately from Detroit hommie, which is why i can keep it 100 when it comes to em. and by the way, EM IS NOT FROM DETROIT. that’s a common mistake people make, he’s cool tho, but he’s no DETROITER.

JLC

well your right about benzino i guess, cuz he just dissed em to try to get his cred up, and his career never really started because of em…and EM had a big part in ja falling off, you gotta admit that, i mean how can you say he never had a good diss record, what about the cover to hit em up, and oh yea he basically took icp off the map as well…just cuz he was not born there dont mean he aint from there…….

DETROIT

i don’t say that em’s not from detroit because of where he was born…i’m saying it because he’s not from the D. d-12 is from the d…em isn’t! you saw 8 mile…ain’t no damn trailer parks in detroit! that’s like the lox and dmx, they’re from yonkers, not nyc! eminem is from warren, not detroit! that really means nothing as far as his music goes…i just wanted to set the record str8.

Around and Around

Em was only ground breaking in the sense he made it viable to be a white and a true/main stream lyricist, and he broke the “oh shit it’s vanilla Ice” cycle.

Yo its no question that eminem is an ill rapper, esp when u break it down to cadence and rhyme pattern. But I’m sorry he cant be the greatest ever. And yea alot has to do with his race. Eminem gets a pass at talkin bout issues that we would require out of any other real black MC. Since that wasnt his life nor really his background he cant make songs for that community uplift. When it comes to talkin shit on record, making blind threats or being funny then yea he nice. But not pound for pound like subject matter from a Pac, Jay, Nas, Common, Scarface. Alot of his success has hinged on the fact he is white. But thats nothing new since black folks started creating music in this country whites have gravitated to it, but then when they themselves do it the music is seen as a brand new thing and of course goes commericial very fast. Eminem never had to “cross over”. All cross over ever meant to black artists was how many white pple buyin your stuff, cause theyve always had more buying power. Of course white america is gonna gravitate more to a DOPE white MC moreso than a DOPE black MC…Common been hot but while he rappin bout the people (us) eminem burying his moms..his rhymes are way more solacious…No disrespect to Em, he can b on the list but not the best ever especially when you back through the history of MCs in this game
peace

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gkid12345

Notorious B.i.g is the best rapper ever however Eminem is an incredible artist as well. Relapse is the best album in 4-5 years in my opinion. He just released the wrong songs as the first look

LB

Nah, I don’t think he’s the best and it ain’t got nothin to with race. If he battles Ludacris or Cannabis and wins convincingly before his career is over, then I’ll call him the best. Both of those guys are one of the few rappers of all time that has comparable lyrical, flow, and freestyle abilities. That needs to happen before he can be crowned.

Chris S

very good assessment. however, he absolutely shit on Canibus for no reason on the song Can-I-Bitch. here’s how i see it, eminem is the greatest in every single rap category. there are a few people that come close though.

1st off there is no such thing as a G.O.A.T. that is a marketing tool and a conversation piece for bored fools who enjoy hypothetical arguments. What relates to you is too personal to ever be non bias on what is the greatest in any artform. Who is the greatest painter of all times? Guess what can’t name one all time hasn’t past cats are still painting. Now if the genre was dead like Nas said you could see who had the most effect with the greatest technical skill etc… and come up with an answer. But in the meantime this discussion is a prompted situation in order to sell more of the frisbee he is about to unleash on the masses if you haven’t already downloaded it. Well at least XXL is the greatest sell out media whore magazine in hip-hop history.

Silly Willy

Em is like the white version of a mix of Jay/Pun/Redman, IMO. He’s a real fan, a true student of hip hop. What he’s doing has already been done, but somehow he does it different, does it better, does it nice. So, he’s one of the best alive, no doubt. But rap is not monochromatic, so too many skills in the game, well not enough gettin love but, too many aspects in rap that you can’t put nobody really at the number one spot.
Racial issue, now come on, he ain’t the first white rapper, he ain’t no Beastie Boys. Do you mean that John Stockton didn’t get no love from blacks ? We know he can ball, that’s all we needed. Same for Em, dude still IS a problem on a mic !

King Joffy Joe

Em is an amazing rapper, just like Tiger Woods is an amazing golf player, get it?

TO ME, THE 3RD VERSE FROM “SING FOR THE MOMENT” COULDA BEEN THE ONLY VERSE I HEARD FROM THIS DUDE IN MY LIFE, AND I WOULDA RESPECTED HIM FOREVER ANYWAY.. how many rappers make u say that?

Supreemwun

His race has nothin’ to do with why he ain’t the best ever. He’s not the best ever because IMO he ain’t at that level. He is nice though, I’ll give him that (before you start jumpin’ to conclusions). Can’t get down with the content of his material.

Pac, Cube or Rakim all inter-changable at number 1. Content, longevity, consistency and lyrical prowess the key. Think about this will you still be bumpin’ his stuff at 60 years old? Probably some but definitely not all based on content.

As far as changing the game Run DMC greatest group of all time.

Supreemwun

Its all subjective…i.e beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Take Ice Cubes Death Certificate I remember playing that CD from start to finish without skipping a song!

Take Biggie Ready to Die…I remember skipping joints on there when it came out.

I do own both though.

Classic album = a CD that I don’t have to skip any songs.

Classic songs = just that a single joint thats destined to stick with you over the years.

When Em leaves that dumb sh!t out he’s straight. I just don’t like that TRL stuff Em was putting out…and how much money he made does nothing for me. Puts no money in my pocket so its not an attribute I use to assign a G.O.A.T. If so MC Hammer would be top 5 and we know that ain’t possible.

chris h-town

smoothestbest flow-notorious b.i.g., realist shit-tupac,most inventive and most controversial-eminem,best underground-ugk for sure, most pimp-tooshort/outkast, and yall forgot t.i. and lil wayne they are killen them boys, for sure i dont know what yall listen too out there, but in h-town thats all i hear on the radio,

umm

i only care about pierzy’s comments. only

4mat

Em is no doubt one of the greatest
but not THE greatest.

i don’t think i can call anybody the greatest,
i love listening to different rappers for different reasons and on different moods,
so i cant just mention one name saying “He Da Goat”

Top hip hop artist of all time. Lyrically you can’t touch him, Storytelling you can’t touch him, creatively you can’t touch him, Word Play you can’t touch him…. you can go on and on, also the numbers don’t lie look at how much he has fucking sold. TOP 1 dead OR alive. Nas said it best “The dude lives, breathes, eats and shits hip-hop” anyone who doesn’t see this is blind and just needs to get over 2pac who was the greatest poet in hip hop, and biggie who didn’t have enough to prove to me that he can be number one… sorry.

RELAPSE MAY 19 BUY IT, it’s a classic, a masterpiece, this IS music. Thank you Marshall finally he’s back.

tru predator

co-sign i couldnt have said it any better.though i do believe in my mind he is one of the greatest ever,there are a couple mc’s that stand out in my mind that are slightly better and he stands right beside them.top 5 for sure.

large H

My top 5

Hova
Big Pun
Biggie
Em
fuck number 5

and since someone mentioned it, Death Certificate by cube was a fucking classic. i didn’t skip a track on their either, and i’m 15 and it’s got nothing to do with my life. Shit was riveting.

steve

a white rapper will never be concidered to be the best even if he is just because of his race. plain and simple

tru predator

really?guess ill just quote chris rock or a sec then.”you know the world done changed when the best rapper is white and the best golfer is black”.

Brownie

Cant believe some of u sayin jay-z is better than em, Renegade? jay-z did alrite, eminem killed it. Who’s album was it on? jay-z’s and it sounded like an eminem track that jay-z featured on. Remeber wot The game said which is true, “you gotta be dead in a box to be somebodys favourite”

Brahsef

Of course Em sounded better on Renegade than Jay-Z; it was like the signature Em beat. He tried to recreate that beat so many times, it was not even funny. Put Em on one of the Kanye soul beats that the majority of the Blueprint was and Jay would have killed him. Certain rappers attack certain beats better.

Em’s great, but really only his first two CDs were classic material. The Eminem Show was okay but Encore was fucking awful. Based on tracks I’ve heard off the latest CD, it’s going the awful route as well. WTF is up with the accent?

tru predator

first two classic?eminem show ok?ill give it to you the encore cd wasnt good mind you he was experimenting with his style.there was a couple of real good songs on there,not many.BUT THE EMINEM SHOW WASNT OK,it shit all over his first two cds.that is em at the top of his game.then the d12 cds,8 mile soundtrack,obie trices first cd.the green lantern shady invasion mix tape was the evidence of the fall of benzino and murder inc.every thing he touched during that time frame was nuts,shit was banannas.only at encore and the re-up did he start to really lose sight.now that ive heard the leak its not his best.but its the best shit ive heard in the industry in a long while.which says alot.dont give me that shit emcees attack beats diferently,you aint a good emcee if you cant work wonders with even a shitty beat.your just makin excuses or jay-z.who cant kill very beat.

Lifewalk

in my opinion has eminem a greater flow than jay-z…for real

92FS

I don’t really think there is a greatest of all time. It’s really up to the person and the style of MC that they like. The G.O.A.T topic is something to get people all in a chaos and something we can debate about. Eminem is a great MC no doubt but like somebody said there were plenty of shock rappers that came before him that were definitely lyrical. I only heard a few songs from Relapse so I can’t really comment, but that track Underground really shows what he’s really capable of doing. Oh and I would love to hear what Eminem has to say now after Nick Cannon responded to that track lol.

Curtis75Black

Honestly, there is too much bias with age and era to truly have a top 5. I’ll be real, When I first heard Em, I laughed my ass off. It truly intrigued me when I saw Dre in his video looking like a shrink but that didn’t convince me.It wasn’t until I actually picked up his cd and heard where he was coming from with his lyrics that he grabbed me. I feel up to Encore his cd’s have gotten better but that can go for dozens of emcee’s who niggas fail to mention because they were babies when these classics dropped.
Example: Ice Cube, AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted, Kill at Will, Death Certificate and Predator= 4 straight classics since his solo debut. All diverse in Rhyme Scheme, delivery,Subject matter and flow as well as tempo. Still going till this day

Example: LL Cool J, Radio, Bigger and Deffer, Walking with a Panther, Mama Said Knock you Out. 4 straight classics since his Debut on Def Jam and hasn’t stopped since. Say what you want but all diverse in Rhyme scheme, delivery, Subject matter and flow as well as tempo. Still going till this day.

The same can be said about KRS,Common, Busta, Guru, Scarface,Pac, and a host of other emcees. All of these cats I mentioned are diverse and bring something different to the table. No different from Eminem, No worse than Eminem. When Cool J at the the End of 4,3,2,1 called himself the G.O.A.T. I wasn’t upset at all because I seen the growth in his music up till that time. KRS could’ve said it and I would’ve felt the same way. Same goes for Ice Cube and Kool G.Rap. If you’re too young to get into a certain emcee or just about “your” era, then we can’t talk. Hip Hop is life, not an era.

ronnie

worse example is ll cool j. walking with a panther was a garbage tape. heck i still have it back home. what makes you god mc is what you spit on the mic. ll got murdered by kool moe and embarrassed by ‘bus. so, no more ll is the goat crap okay? em is a god mc. you can’t deny that for dude spits like it was his first. truth be told, i have him at 5 with gods krs-one, rakim, big l and kool g rap in front of him. heck, sometimes, i have god hova at 5 because i was bumping takeover. really, there is no goat. the ultimate prize is to become a god mc in which kids will youtube 20 years from now or having 35 year old dudes spittin lyrics of your first single. that’s what being a god mc is about. there are so many great mc’s out there. you can’t just say this dude is the best. oh yeah, bitch ll spit or rewrote his lyrics after ‘bus laid it down. the rest is history

Curtis75Black

@ ronnie,
Yeah I felt the same back in 88,89 when I was 13 and 14 yrs old when everyother emcee was on the Political (Red Black and Green) tip. I once looked at image also, not paying attention to the songs. The difference between you and I was that I went back and listened to the music I brushed off as wack. Did you really pay attention to “fast peg, clap your hands, Why do you think they call it dope ?, It gets no Rougher, Nitro, Big Ole Butt,1-900-LL Cool J, Jingling Baby (Original) and Going Back to Cali ? “Walking with a Panther” isn’t wack at all, just different from everything else that was done at the time and different from his previous styles. Now I know its too easy to say “Just because it’s different doesn’t make it better” – Sho Nuff, but what about Em and his antics, You’re praising him because he’s different, right ? As far as those battles go, you can think what you wish but you can’t say he backed down from a challenge unlike Big Daddy Kane when Rakim was gonna come at him on “Let the rhythm Hit em” or when Freddy Foxx called out Rakim years back !! Kool Moe and Canibus are in the same boat, an afterthought of a career spanning 25 years.

Curtis75Black

If you feel I forgot Rakim or Big Daddy Kane, No sir. I left them off because even though in their era of music they were two of the best and had their own style as well as loyal following, Longevity is something they didn’t accomplish in my eyes and straight up – That Counts !! The Alltime greats are reaching eras even if they aren’t neccessarily feeling them. I don’t like that TOP 5 SHIT on AllHIpHop when niggas mention niggas just to mention them. Especially when all you know is the Classics, which should be corny with Hip Hop. Ghostface has lasted longer than any other Wu member without rehashing Old schemes and titles and definitely deserves the recongniton of a G.O.A.T. status. Same with Nas and his catalog but at the end of the day its all subjective. What you feel I might not and vise versa.

ronnie

are you serious? a dope mc is a dope mc with or without a record deal. because kids mention god rakim and god kane, makes them god mc’s. sorry to burst your bubble but record sales mean nothing. what you do on the mic determines if you live forever. you present this same corny ass argument that holds no weight at all with true heads that follow hip hop. true heads know that sales are fixed anyway to get the public to buy. sales mean nothing. lets use your favorite rapper ll. ll has 200 albums underneath his belt literally. true heads do not mention ll for he was destroyed in two battles which both he started, especially with ‘bus. my god, bitch ass went back after ‘bus destroyed it. enough i’m done. oh yeah, true heads will tell that deck is the beast that was in wu follow by gza.

Curtis75Black

@ ronnie,
Where did I mention record sales ? I didn’t say a word about how much a emcee earned, I mentioned Longevity, especially if you’re still able to do it. You want to mention Rakim, which I gave props to, ok, when was his last cd dropped ? 10 years ago!! Now is that NBA rookie that took home “Rookie of the year, Slam Dunk, Rookie Allstar and Championship ring plus finals MVP” still the best baller alive after retiring once the year is over 10 years ago ? You can’t live off your legacy, you either enchance it or it stops!!! And you mention Canibus again, Let me ask you a something: What type of emcee uses the Next man’s name as a lauching pad for his 1st single, even after it was already squashed ? We all heard the phone convo between Canibus and LL 11 years ago. Funny thing is, where is Canibus now ? And if you really knew your Hip Hop History, Kool Moe Dee states countless times that he started that battle with LL with his track “How you like me know” as a launching pad for his comeback into the limelight. Plus in his 50 GREATEST EMCEE’S book, he has LL at # 7 calling him “The Unbreakable Master” . “True Heads” like yourself don’t want to mention him because he’s still doing his thing but he has all of his peers respect, Just ask Scarface .

Jezy

How any 1 that is not a fantaical white supporter of eminem can say hes the best bemuses me? better than nas? big? rakim? krs? u got to be joking apart from his first two albums eminems catalog has been hit and miss, and he has never really released a classic album alas illmatic, reasonable doubt, paid in full, ready to die, me against the world or the sun rises in the east(jeru damaja)the whole reason why em got in the spotlight in the first place was due to him being white, yes he is good, but nothing we rap fans haven’t seen b4 most em fans only started listening to hop hop since hes emergence, please before calling someone the best try hide your prejudices and listen to a wide amount of rappers what black rapper can get away with songs that em has just released on relapse, just lose it and all those other mock songs he makes with no lyrical content what so ever and still be considered the greatest? nas made a un-comerical album(to ems standards) like nastraudamus which is better than ems last 3 comedy albums, and gets attacked. what makes em better than jeru damaja, canibus or rass kass? theyre not mentioned as the greatest but when it comes to mic skills, story telling they are just as good, it seems colour is still a major factor in peoples opinion and we have the 80% of eminems white fans to thank 4 that.

tru predator

well take it from someone who has been listening to hip hop since run dmc,melly mel,beastie boys,grand master flash and whoodini.well you get my point.having been around since then and never thinkin in my mind that someone would ever be able to stand beside rakim and big daddy kane.i think he can and will go down as one of the greatest.regardless of the subject matter he raps about or the color of his skin.people might as well get used to it.because as you can tell if a vast majority of rappers and fans alike didnt think so we wouldnt be having this debate.

j.ezy

pls tell me this for all saying em storytelling and lyrics are the best go listen to undying love, rewind, one love, purple, poppa was a playa, small world, i gave you power, for real storytelling on a wide range of subject matter that does not only include bashing your mother, talking about your daughter, or referring to your childs mother as a hoe. how some1 can put him ahead of nas, jay, rakim(the person who pioneered multi-sylabbic rhyming and paved the way for eminem), biggie and even big pun suprises me,thats why i refuse to listen to the majority of white fans, and 21st century followers of hip-hop when debating.

Amsterdam-Mike

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3. GAME
4. KANYE
5. WAYNE

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Em is definitely Top 5

If you ask me, he’s one of the best rappers alive!! (Em/Jay/Nas)

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Eminem not being the greatest rapper has nothing at all to do with him being white. Too many artists have laid the groundwork for what Eminem’s overall style is for him to be the G.O.A.T., although he’s still extremely talented in his own right.

http://xxlmag.com M.H.

i red everybodies comments. & i feel all ya’lll.. buh honestly… the industry chanqed when tupac and biggie started rappin… ima fan myself of old skool hip-hop. buh whah ya’ll qottah understand is theres qenerations of hiphop artist who ruled. krs1, bigg daddy kane, etc… then came…
— TUPAC, Poetic Wise. Brenda’s Gotta Baby, Keep Ya Head Up, i Aint Mad At Cha
— BIGGIE, i Choose, Bars Wise. Juicy, Skys The Limit, Etc…
— JAY-Z, Just Makinq A Classic. Song Cry
— NAS, Diss Wise, Ether Was Insane !!!!!
— EMINEM, cause his way of showing. no matter if ya white,black,orange,yellow, it dont matter by skin color. racisim wasnt a factor. he spit as good as any of the greatest everr.
NO TRUTH IS. LIKE 1 OF THESE GUYS SAID.. THERE IS NO GREATEST… FROM GERNERATION TOO GENERATION, THE GAME HAS IMPROVED. AND ALSO HAS GOTTEN WORSE… PEOPLE LIKE SOULJA BOY ARE RUININ HIPHOP WITH THERE DANCES… BUT PEOPLE LIKE LIL WANYE. ARE BRING A DIFFERENT STYLE TOO RAP. A NEW DELIEVERY… ESPECAILLY DRAKE… ITS A NEW GENERATION OF HIPHOP GUYS..FUCK IT… NOT LIKE THERE DANCING AROUND… THERE JUST BRINGIN A NEW DELIERY…
BOTTOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM LINEEE !!!
NO GREATESTT… BUT STATISTIC WISEEE !!!!

#1 BIGGIE.
EVEN WITH 2ALBUMS. I’M SORRY. HANDS DOWN…
CAUSE HE COULD FREESTLYE HRDCORE DISSIN WISE..
AND JUST MAKE AN ALLTIME CLASSIC… AND I WOULD OF LOVED TOO SEE HOW HIM AND PAC WOULD BE MAKING MUSIC IF THEY WERE ALIVE….

2)PAC.
3)JAY-Z.
4)EMINEM.
5)WAYNE.

white boy

Where’s Pierzy on this one? A day off or something?

dre

Relapse iz fuckin classic just heard it

Nitty

Eminem Just fell outta of the top 10 list of all-time in my book, by puttin these bullshit songs out ! The man hes fell off and you know it !! keep it 100… it’s not 2001 anymore my nig..

tru predator

your right its 2009 and he is going to be one of the real lyricists that helps bring back real hip hop.

V

I’M GOING DIFFERENT THEN ALL YOU FOOLS…

MY 10 FAV’S

EMINEM-THE MOST TALENTED RAPPR THERE IS, ALWAYS SWITCHING HIS STYLE)

NAS-ILLMATIC TO STILLILLMATIC… I’VE SAID ENOUGH

TECH N9NE-IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHO TECH N9NE IS IM GONNA BITCH SLAP U!

SWOLLEN MEMBERS-THE BEST UNDERGROUND GROUP “BLACK MAGIC”

CANIBUS-FOR HIS LYRICAL CONTENT NOT FOR HIS SONGS BUT IN THE 90′S HE KILLED TRACKS

ANDRE NICKATINA-”I’M A PISCES BUT I RATHER BE A KILLER WHALE”… COCAINE RAPS BITCH!

2PAC-WEST SIDE TILL I DIE! HE ALSO MURDER BIG ON HIT EM UP!

MAC DRE-SELF MADE UNDERGROUND LEGEND… RIP!

ANDRE 3000/BIG BOI- “I’M COOL AS A POLAR BEARS TOENAIL”

SCARFACE- ONE OF THE BEST STORY TELLERS IN THE GAME!

HONORABLE CONTENDERS-
BIG-JUST 2 ALBUMS WHICH 1 IS CLASSIC & THE OTHER OK…
HOV-REASONABLE DOUBT, VOLS. 1,2 AND BLACK ALBUM! HONESTLY IS GREAT JUST NOT MY FAV…
PUN-GREAT RAPPER DIED TO EARLY

BLACK MARKET RECORDS
BROTHA LYNCH HUNG-”SEASON OF THA SICCNESS”
X-RAIDED- FIRST RAPPER RAPPING FROM PRISON SERVING 25 WITH AN L, OH YA THE MURDER WEAPON IS ON THE ALBUMS FIRST COVER POINTED TO HIS HEAD!
YOUNG LAY- GOT MURDERED TO YOUNG…

LIVIN LEGENDS- CLASSIC L.A. UNDERGROUND LYRICAL EMCEES

ROYCE DA 5’9- GREAT EMCEE JUST TOOK THE WRONG PATH…

TALIB KWELI- INCREDIBLE EMCEE!

RAKIM-GREAT SMOOTH FLOW!

GANG STAR-SOME EAST COAST LYRICISM!

V

I’M GOING DIFFERENT THEN ALL YOU FOOLS…

MY 10 FAV’S

EMINEM-THE MOST TALENTED RAPPR THERE IS, ALWAYS SWITCHING HIS STYLE)

NAS-ILLMATIC TO STILLILLMATIC… I’VE SAID ENOUGH

TECH N9NE-IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHO TECH N9NE IS IM GONNA BITCH SLAP U!

SWOLLEN MEMBERS-THE BEST UNDERGROUND GROUP “BLACK MAGIC”

CANIBUS-FOR HIS LYRICAL CONTENT NOT FOR HIS SONGS BUT IN THE 90′S HE KILLED TRACKS

ANDRE NICKATINA-”I’M A PISCES BUT I RATHER BE A KILLER WHALE”… COCAINE RAPS BITCH!

2PAC-WEST SIDE TILL I DIE! HE ALSO MURDER BIG ON HIT EM UP!

MAC DRE-SELF MADE UNDERGROUND LEGEND… RIP!

ANDRE 3000/BIG BOI- “I’M COOL AS A POLAR BEARS TOENAIL”

SCARFACE- ONE OF THE BEST STORY TELLERS IN THE GAME!

HONORABLE CONTENDERS-
BIG-JUST 2 ALBUMS WHICH 1 IS CLASSIC & THE OTHER OK…
HOV-REASONABLE DOUBT, VOLS. 1,2 AND BLACK ALBUM! HONESTLY IS GREAT JUST NOT MY FAV…
PUN-GREAT RAPPER DIED TO EARLY

BLACK MARKET RECORDS
BROTHA LYNCH HUNG-”SEASON OF THA SICCNESS”
X-RAIDED- FIRST RAPPER RAPPING FROM PRISON SERVING 25 WITH AN L, OH YA THE MURDER WEAPON IS ON THE ALBUMS FIRST COVER POINTED TO HIS HEAD!
YOUNG LAY- GOT MURDERED TO YOUNG…

LIVIN LEGENDS- CLASSIC L.A. UNDERGROUND LYRICAL EMCEES

ROYCE DA 5’9- GREAT EMCEE JUST TOOK THE WRONG PATH…

TALIB KWELI- INCREDIBLE EMCEE!

RAKIM-GREAT SMOOTH FLOW!

GANG STAR-SOME EAST COAST LYRICISM!

Elect

The Notorious B.I.G. is in my mind the greatest rapper that hip hop has ever seen. how can you deny his spot because he only had 2 albums? Like its his fault that he only put out 2. a lot of people will give this spot to 2pac who i believe was a very gifted and talented artist but he ain’t even close to Biggies talent with words. Pac doesn’t get a spot in my top 5 cuz he was ignorant enough to put him getting shot on biggie and puff. if that hadn’t happened and this stupid east v.s. west thing didn’t go down chances are BIG would still be here. its a damn shame what happened to the real king of this rap thing.

oh and Eminem is talented as hell but his subject matter is not the norm for hip hop so he catches hate.

SJS

God this CD is garbage!

Yall are desperate enough for some real hip hop yall settle for this crap.

Brownie

First man to mention the game, guys got taste. So why aint jay-z responded to the games several comments about him yet?

http://www.eminembase.com Nick Sullivan

Eminem is the best rapper ever.

That comment by Nas made me laugh out loud. Shits Hip-Hop, lmao.

Nas is to me, the second greatest, behind Em.

2pac and Biggie are great but they don’t come close to Em’s lyricism.

Whatever you think of his subject matter, fact is, he has mastered more flows than any rapper in history.

Basically every song sounds like a new rapper. And his wordplay is nothing short of genius.

Forget the sales. If Eminem was black he would undoubtebly be hailed as the G.O.A.T.

His race shouldn’t come into it. Can you imagine people saying Jimmy Hendrix can’t be considered a great or shouldn’t do hip-hop because it’s a white art form?

Doesn’t matter what race originated it, it doesn’t mean it belongs to that race. It’s like saying black men are trying to be white when wearing a suit.

It’s a double-standard and it’s wrong.

It’s not a black art form. It’s just an art form. It’s music and it’s art. And art doesn’t conform to anything as tacky as race squabbles.

Bottom line: Eminem is the best EVER.

DETROIT

“it’s not a black artform”

are you fuckin serious! if black people sold more salsa records than spanish people, would salsa not be spanish music anymore? how bout if americans started sellin hella reggae records, would reggae still be jamaican music? some of you guys need to research black music in general in order to have a real opinion on it. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EMINEM!

stoneyisland

Top 5? seriously do any of your muthafuucka REALLY understand what a real MC is anymore? You mean to tell me you people think Em would win in a battle against say Phonte from Little Brothr or Andre3000 from Outkast????? any REAL MC who cant kick a battle rap heads up against another MC aint no MC. Hip hop started in the streets battlin’ on corners, just because MTV loves a great white hope does not make him top 5. Top 10? maybe but GOAT??? fuck no, no way. The greatest of all times is hard to say, it’s kinda like saying who’s better Mike Jordan or Oscar Robinson, for you young bucks Osacra averaged a triple double for a season and just missed it a couple of other times. It’s my opinion that Biggie is the best to do so far, I dont care if he only had 2 albums, his flair and word play were unmatched, you could pay a MC to battle biggie in his prime………..

http://comcast D.

He isn’t even in in my top fifty… He has decent wordplay & all but he doesn’t talk about nothing, but killing his mother and other dumb ass-shit… And if he wasn’t white he wouldn’t even have made it this far in the game… I also feel that black-people should value our culture more & quit lettin people in so easy… We accept everybody so easy, but with every other culture we have to prove ourself before they let us in the door… Have you ever seen the Greatest Black Mexican singer?? And HipHop is our music, and we are too leniant on who we let in… Let’s take it back it to the old school rules!!!! Rick Ross pretending to be someone he’s not… Lil’ Wayne & Baby kissin… 50 with all of his womanly ways keepin up bull-shit… I will elated when hiphop as whole will get back solid…. And niggaz think that if you have swagger that you have skills… Swagger & skills are to different things…

tru predator

obviously yall two above me are hatin the fact that your opinion falls into the minority on this one.bigs dead.live with it.no disrespect but he isnt a battle rapper.your fuckin retarded if you think eminem isnt a battle rapper or has no battle skills.your ears must have been closed for the last ten years.you obviously havent listened to any of his mix tape shit.

Beej

Can you seriously tell me that the music he brings out his hip hop? Seriously? It’s taken him 4 years to get his shit right and i would have thought that music he brought out would have been better than what it is.

I think he is a pop artist, all be it a very good one and his videos justify that, dude doesn’t even seem to come out with any raw hip hop material.
The Way I Am is a classic no doubt, but nothing else really springs to mind.

Majority of these Stans hate on Ja Rule and Fat Joe for making pop songs etc, but in truth it’s the other way about.

BIGNAT

buuba spraxx second album is better than em’s whole catalog. with that being said his second album is better than most people catalog to bad he did not stick to that formula. you give people the fake they buy it you give them the real they avoid it.

tru predator

yet another retarded comment

Stevie B

Jay-Z is the best ever mostly because of longevity and consistency as well as staying relevant.

Also Jay-Z is the only rapper where if you get 200 of his biggest fans no one can decide what his best album is and that says alot.

Em can not be the best because his club/party records are trash he can not make shit to ride to. Lets be honest what Em joint comes on at the club and every one goes crazy? none lol!

I know somebody is going to say party club music does not matter which is bullshit because it does.

Being a nice lyricist or mc does not mean you can only make serious and silly records. All the greats can make music that moves you in the club or moves the ladies he cant im sorry.

Which means is not a whole mc.

tru predator

you must be fuckin smokin some serious d.without me,forgot about dre,superman,the real slim shady,how come,man i can go on.get the fuck out of here with that lame ass comment.ive heard every one of the songs i just mentioned in the clubs before and people crowded the dance floor on several occaisions.i dont know where the hell your attending clubs at it, must be in i hate eminemsville usa.

tru predator

oh and i said it before jay-z is way over hyped.he is only hailed so great mostly by new yorkers because all they really had left after big dyin was jay-z and nas.real talk.

Stevie B

I dont know what lame ass people you hang out with that crowd the floor when the real slim shady comes on but that is not club music sorry.

How come? Are you serious your a joke!

Answer this how come you got em dick so far down your throat lol! Your going way to hard right now you posted like 30 times defending somebody who will never know you exist!

And if you can not take joke fuck you lol!

tru predator

TO ALL THE NAYSAYERS ABOUT THE RELAPSE ALBUM.I JUST LISTENED TO IT AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME, EVERY TRACK ON YOU TUBE.YES THERE ARE ABOUT THREE SHITTY SONGS.BUT THE TRUTH IS.TH RELAPSE ALBUM IS SICK AS HELL.THE SONGS REALLY GROW ON YOU THE MORE YOU LISTEN TO THEM.AND THIS IS GOING TO BE HAILED AS AS YET ANOTHER GREAT ALBUM FROM HIM.THE KING IS BACK GET USED TO IT AINT NOBODY FELL OFF,HE JUST TOOK A WELL DESERVED BREAK.TRUST ME I HAVE HEARD MORE PEOPLE WHO REALLY LIKE IT THAN IDIOTS WHO DONT.

louieG

ok so lets talk real spit eminem is great!…. # 1 is tupac # 2 is eminem…. and fuck the rest biggie smalls is weak jay is weak nas is ok but nelly said it best 2 is not a number and 3 nobody remembers!!!!!

If you cant see the humor in your obsessive behavior your a fuckin weirdo lol!

Are you being paid for this marketing and promotion? Let me guess just the thought that your helping Em helps you sleep better lmao!

This guy is really trying to persuade people to buy this album! Fuckin clown lol!

tru predator

oh kinda like stevie-b jay-z’s house nigga.i aint gotta persuade people to do shit.the music and raw talent will do it.quit bein a hypocrite and wipe gayz’s brown from around your mouth cuz from the looks of your post your ridin his dick awful hard.im debating thats, what this forum is for.speakin your opinion.get laid.if you dont like eminem dont come on a thread thats a debate about him bein the best ass clown.

Hi Hater!

1st- to the people saying Em doesnt talk about nothing. Well what about black rappers? Im black and yes 99% of all black rappers talk about is money cars hoes, so STFU already

2nd- Em hasnt been working on Relapse for 4 yrs. Nigga almost died and shit. Remember the “pneumonia” shit, nigga almost overdosed or some shit. Listen to Relapse carefully. He has been working on Relapse for what..a year?

3rd- Em is definitely Top 5. Lyrics, flow, he’s incredible.

Enough of this black and white shit. Nigga is DOPE!

Lazarus

Em was a great rapper but i just downloaded his new Relapse and i’m not feeling that crazy, serial killer, gay rape abuse sh*t he’;s on now. it’s like ok you had a messed up childhood get over it and make Phat hiphop sones- he’s just f*cking up Dre’s beats now. let the old Em come back

Laz

http://-- gaddic

White or Black Em will go down as one of the greatest and that’s all he wants

“As Long as you place me besides one of them greats I’ll be cool beside Jay-Z!”

In his humble nature Em stated it
Love/hate him any sensible rap critic has to confess dude is incredible and better than 90% of rappers in the past, present and future!
He’s my fav beside nas of course!

some1 name me a classic eminem album…………….. wait there aint one, how can you call em a g.o.a.t when he has not made a better album, than illmatic, ready to die, reasonable doubt, or even the sun rises in the east, hes not even in the top 10, hes music has been garbage since hes first 3 albums, pls tell me what black rapper considered as one of the greatest ever, i.e nas jay z, pac, big ,rakim, can get away with making a song like just lose it, without me, and his new song from relapse and still be considered a top 5 rapper, ask yourself that question, white fans r delirious.

j.ezy

gaddic, nas and eminem r in a different league nas doesnt make comedy songs like just lose it,without me, etc, pls dont compare, nas has 3/4 classic albums, stilmatic, illmatic, lost tapes, and gods sons it was written, i am,hip hop is dead, untitled, and streets disciple r close, nas has the best discography in hip hop, and his lyrics r on a different level from ems, his storytelling is up there with biggies and kanes and you still have the guts 2 compare them, u know nothing about hip hop.

RakimG.O.A.T, 1st to incoparte multi-syllabic rhyming, anyone who argues with him being up there knows nothing about rap.period
Nas- Best storyteller in rap listen to undying love, one love, small world etc,and theres illmatic.
Tupac- One of the most influential rapper,potent lyrics, and a classic album in me against the world.
Biggie(2 great albums, contagious flow, poignant lyrics.
Krs One
Ice cube(if you argue just listen to death certificate and amerikkas most wanted, 2 classics.)
Big daddy kane
Jay-z
common(be, resurrection 2classics)
Slick Rickrevolutionized storrytelling, influenced Big and Nas)
And near misses….. Big Pun, Rass Kass, LL cool J, scarface.
And many places down say 25th….
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Eminem

DETROIT

my nig, i agree as far as em goes…BUT SLICK RICK OVER SCARFACE? FACE SHOULD BE IN EVERYONE’S TOP 10….LET’S NOT FORGET THE GETO BOYS!

Slick rick has 1 good album…that’s not enough to be on any list!

benjamin bixby III

ANDRE 3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JAB

Fuck i dont know how come people got to be hating on em hes unarguably top 3 best lyrically wise
eminem surpassed his stature in the game and will forever go down as one of the best in the industry
in my opinion hes the best rapper DEAD and ALIVE better than all that annoying wayne bullshit too
and dont tell me i dont know shit about hiphop just for having an opinion cuz shit i live for this music every hour of the day there are earphones on my head bumping classical shit like nas, pac, biggie, common, jay, big pun, talib kweli, mobb deep and ect…

and Yo how come nobody mentioning common’s lyrical expertise in there top 5 list???? give the nigga some love???

TheListener

Man… Em is Nice, but NO WAY in hell is he the greatest rapper ever. Top 10 yea.. I don’t even think he’s top 5. I feel like Nas has surpassed everybody in the game from his total body of work… Albums, Mixtapes, Underground, and Unreleased shit.

HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW iz he even considered other than being white and having a good flow?????????????

pointgodkg

thank u for sayin it my friend….cosign…………dis is reverse racism at its best…….cuz he’s white what he does seem exceptional when it’s really average…does anybody remember dis guy’s 1st cd off the wall that shit alone should make him disbarred..he ok when i wanna listen to fun…ok lets put it dis ways he like ben stiller or jim carrey they are good comedian once and while they come in a drma and do good but to say they are the best actors eva is ludacris(pun intended)..he’s good to listen to when u need to laugh but if i’m feelin down and need some encouragement hell no em……….his music has a time and place for it and that jus signals that ur not great but good..relapse is 4/5….but same subject matter…..he hasnt grown at all…..i wonder if he would let haley listen to dis

tru predator

you put eminem at number 6 in your greatest list then say neither of his albums are classic. sorry homie but the marshall mathers cd is considered by many to be a classic.same with his first.most consider along with me the eminem show to be what legends are made of.the dopest cd in his library.him at the top of his game.he him self said he dont think he will ever be able to put together another cd that good.from front to back.

http://www.myspace.com/TyDroSmoke www.Myspace.com/TyDro

Eminem Is The Greatest Rapper Alive, You can’t see audio…..Thats like asking if the red car is the fastest because its red, That shit dont make no sense, Its the fastest because its go faster, Eminem is the best rapper ever! Him and Tupac of course. After you hear the relapse you all will agree! GO BUY THE RELAPSE! ITS AMAZING

arjuna

” But could a White guy be considered the best practitioner of an art form created by African-Americans?- ”

basketball was created by a white guy (James N.Smith) but Jordan is the best player ever.
he’s black. so what? Nobody cares.
i don’t care about color skin, if you deserve the crown so have it !

Mike

“also, i’m at work hommie, i luv to debate you guys, cuz it makes my day go by faster.”

i cosign that detroit me too

bottom line, big is my personal favorite and i think he is the best…but as far as em, i jus don’t think he is top 5, top 10 defintely but not top 5…no race involved with my decision, i’m jus a nigga wit an opinion

J.ezy

yh detroit i feel u looking back on it, maybe i got the last place wrong althugh i feel the rest of the list is pretty much spot on scarface is definitely one of the best hip hop artists of our times, but the thing with slick rick is hes alot like biggie he released few albums but in those albums had such a big effect on the scene that he can’t be ignored, certain styles of his was followed by some of the gre4ats i.e biggie, nas which is why he gets onto most top 20 lists for his inflence alone.

http://xxlmag.com M.H.

Sum of you ppl r really fuqkin idiots.
T.I. , Common , ??? Who The Fuck R They ? ! ?
Honestly. This is An Em Post.
So Why Are You Tlkinq About Common And All These Other Nobodies !
Biggiez The Best // WITH 2ALBUMS !
Death was really what stopped everything for him. and now ya’ll basically blame him for that, cause if he had more time livin; he would
of made alotta more great classic’s !
LMAFOO. T.I. & Common. Seriously. It’s Like Me Sittin Up Here And Saying DRAKE is The Greatest, He’s Lyricly Better Than MOST of the ppl that rap’s right now.
” first off, you know what it is if you heard drake, making hoes wobble like uh bridge inna earthquake ??? illl lyrics ! ”
i’m not dickridinq. im just saying…
stupid thing too even mention T.I. 0r COMMON Dwaqq.
Realisticly. Em is Up There TOP 5 Niggahz !

Brizzy

not about his race hes just plain ol WACK.
DO DO, GARBAGE, SHIT , NOTHIN

Mad Naggins Inc

First Em song was my name is but the first version!!! the one killing lesbians on the first verse! i stood up and laughed all day and i forced myself to remember the song, when the single poped, i was shockd how the song changed and it suked cause my original tape was eaten by my tape player!, collectors item lost forever, sigh but i do diclare eM as one of the best but NOT the best of them all, maybe next to big and pun but not like jay or pac

http://www.myspace.com/emceenutso L.Azevedo

Okay, well this is another dumb debate. Have anyone here actaully heard the album, it’s sick. If you want original and truth then listen to RELAPSE. When we listen to Jay-Z we enjoy the flow and rhyme scheme but we still get this fake drug/gun hustler that wants to be Al Pacino in Scarface and we know, well it’s just a old act. I can’t hate on Jay, I’m a huge fan of his music but not his last 2 or 3 lp’s. There is something to say about longevity and I can say that Eminem mos def has it. Nas is one of the best emcee’s but I can only take so much BLACK power rap for so long and when I was in high school that’s what Public Enemy was for. I think when it comes to something different to listen too and original Eminem comes to mind along with an artist like Canibus and Royce 5’9. Those are some of the illest emcee’s ever in my opinion.

Let’s run it down. Slim Shady was more of a fictional character that was telling us funny stories with wit and creative wordplay, something everyone was like whoa! Then we got the Marshall Mathers album in which he told us about his personal life and fame and how it sucks. Then we got the EMINEM show which was almost in a sense just an emcee giving us raw emotion from the rappers perspective. So we have 3 dope albums with something new each time. Then we get 8 Mile which has some dope joints like Lose Yourself and 8 Mile Road, which get you hyped up if your a starving artist. He’s really given us more then any artist is expected too by this point but we as fans want more so we expect him to drop a classic with Encore but we get a mash up of all the albums and it sounds like he’s run out of gas and just messing around. It has it’s moments like Yellow Brick Road and Like Toy Soldiers but most of it is a joke and not really what we expected. We wanted the crazy drug, killing, mom’s talking white boy that made is laugh and go, “Man, this is dope”. So now what?

Four years later and we get RELAPSE, what’s this, another Marshall Mathers meets the Eminem Show. This is exactly what you’ve been waiting for, I don’t what it is you wanted. This has the funny, the real and the Slim Shady aspect that we’ve all came to enjoy. I must say that My Mom, Insane, Hello, Same Song and Dance, Medicine Ball, Deja Vu, and Underground is exactly what you wanted as a fan. Those are joints that you can’t get on other albums in the sense of original and just plain crazy shit. I must say that the beats are dope. This is it and there’s another one in Sept/Oct so that’ll fill you up for a while.

So I must say that he mos def TOP 5 and if you don’t think so then please tell me how Jay-Z’s Big Pimpin is the dopest shit ever and how he out shined Eminem on there only joint together “Renegades”. Seriously, he might not be the greatest but like I said TOP 5.

Canibus, Royce, Eminem, Jay-Z, and… you pick.
That’s my opinion.

moresickaMC

He doesnt have a classic album so he cant be the greatest

Relapse has barely any replay value

lyrically he is top 5 though

heavyweight86

His first three albums were classic albums..

nutsackbuddy

Eminem is one of the all time greats, its sad muthafuckers look at skin still and wont look or hear his overall quality. Whats more sad is that yall give lil wayne best rapper alive with that winey voice and glued toghether lyrics over Slim? Im a black man, Props are due to the raw and Un matched. Move ova weezy.

j.ezy

^^^whos the general consensus that thought that apart from the majority of his white fans who only started listening to hip hop circa 1998 when he came on the scene, he has no classic albums, i.e albums like illmatic, reasonable doubt, ready to die, paid in full, the sun rises in the east, enter the 36 chambers, anyone hwo thinks he does know nothing about hip hop.PERIOD

Rick EZ

How can Em be the best rapper of all time, when he’s not even top 3 in his own region(midwest). Ha? Yeah I said it REGION. 1. Lupe Fiasco:The dopest lyricist of all time. Do Not, I repeat DO NOT put eminem in the same booth with Lu, he will get ate. 2. Common: Nuff Said. 3. Kanye:(cough)The best rapper/producer since The RZA. If you don’t understand this list, YOU don’t know HIP-HOP! To be clear, top 5 all-time:1. S.Carter,2. W.Muhammed,3. D.Coles,4. R.Walters,5. L.Lynn (4 the bootleggers;Jay,Lupe,yes,Lupe,GhostFace,Slick Rick,and Common)

paula Gorman

eminem is the greatest rapper alive and the fact hes white doesent mean shit i listen to rap pretty much all day every day since the age of ten and aside from tupac hes the greatest rapper ever he speaks from his soul just like tupac did

you have got to be an idiot making a statement,thats retarded and bold.oh the only reason to say his albums are classic is because his white fans who just started listening to rap says so?come on,you must ride the short bus sayin shit like that.multiple respected mcs think he is a genius.not to mention most hip hop ans.im sorry you cant accept that you fall into that minority that also happens to be in denial.dont bag on the white people that listen to rap,because its been proven that most record sales in rap are bought by whites.im sure they all didnt just start listening to it when he came out.i guess scarface,jay z and rakim and dr.dre and the game and so on and so forth know nothing about hip hop huh?quit bein a moron.just because you dont think he is one of the greatest doesnt mean people who think otherwise are idiots.

poppa sangre

i first heard Em during the second year of a 7 year prison stretch in VA(LAWRENCEVILLE CAMP#4)in ’98. Back then DMX, PAC, BIG, NAS were the most listened to artists. Inmates who loved hip-hop in those days were very strict and loyal when it came to who they listened to. Sadly, listening to ANY white rapper got you laughed out of your dorm and possibly removed from any hip-hop discussion.Eminem changed that. Me and my homie Lil’ June were the only black cats on a 1200 inmate spread that, as they would say to us then, “listened to the cracka”. The penitentiary is a place anyone would love to forget, but even a trip to hell would have it’s memories. and I will never forget when the Slim Shady LP arrived on the camp the same day that X’s And Then There Was X album arrived. X was the “grand champ” that night but by the next evening niggas couldn’t get enough of that “guilty conscience”, “bad meets evil”,”i don’t give a fuck”,etc. I’m a BX NIGGA CIRCA ’75, so you damn right my opinion counts! And I’m telling you that Em did for rap what Jackie did for baseball…in an ironic way. But with that being said, Em is NOT in the top 5. right now he’s 7th or 8th behind BIG,PAC,NAS,’FACE,JIGGA,CUBE,RAKIM

KILLA

eminem is the best white rapper out there fuck ppl talkin shit bout him sayin is his skin colour holdin him back from bein the best rapper out there. If i waz a critic i’d give him five stars. Marshal keep doin ur thang ain’t nobody out there 2 stop u and datz the TRUTH. ONE LOVE HOMIE.

ANTONIO ROMAN

My opinion is eminem is a good mc!!!
But let take into consideration what he gets away with…eminem could anything he wants and people see it as funny.
Now lets flip it lets say a mc like styles p or joe budden was able to say all the things eminem says…I don’t think they would be able to talk about other celebrities like he does or even make a music video about burying there mother….so I would have to say he’s not just based on that.you gotta even the playing field.

JosephInEgypt

Wow,…so many comments and only a few that are actually speaking a bit of the Truth. So for all you doubters, here’s the answer you’ve all been lookin’ for:

1). You can ask anyone who’s ever been locked up, or in jail, or doin’ any kind of time and they’ll all agree: Who’s the Best Rapper of All Time?…..the answer will always be the same: Hip-Hop’s Messiah is the one and only,… Tupac Amaru Shakur. No one else even comes close. Why? He was like a preacher to the streets who rose above the bullshit, and spoke to the soul of this Hip-Hop generation. That’s why 12years after his death, there are course offered on college campuses where kids can learn about and study his life. So there you go; the rest of you are just talking nonesense if you don’t realize his impact.
2). Even Marshall himself says 2pac is better than him. But, putting Pac aside for a moment, yes, the White boy is mad nice kid! He is the best rapper alive…(the key word being alive). If you grade him by the same criteria that made Pac number one, then Slim is definitely next in line. Why? Because like Tupac, he over-came the number one thing he had going against him: his race. Tupac as a young black man in America (Pre-Obama) had no hopes for ever seeing a black president. That’s why he say’s it in his song when he says, “America is not ready for a black president…” The point of his statement is taht America in the ’90s was still a tough place to be sucessful in, or rich, or whatever if you are black. But guess what,…he over-came that by usuing the power of his voice and mind. Eminem has done the samething in hip-hop. His race was his number one thing that he had going against him, and he beat the odds. Even if you don’t think he’s the best alive or whatever,…just the fact that he enters the discussion, everytime that it’s had makes it that much more evident. Everytime a group of people get together or whatever and ask who’s the best rapper, like 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, Scarface, Rakim, Andre(Outkast), Run (Run-D-MC), Eminem will always be mentioned (usually somewhere close to the top). And if you ask Marshall, the truth is that’s all that he wants anyways. He just wants the respect and recognition for being able to overcome the big obstacle against him. For the black community, they face the same problem, or dilema that white people face everytime they see Tiger Woods inside their country clubs. Weather you like it or not, Slim Shady is the Tiger Woods of Rap.

http://-- gaddic

L.Azevedo i don’t fully agree with you with the illest mc’s list Canibus and Royce? sure they’re dope but both of these cats combined can’t touch nas’ skills!
And Jigga sure but he should be #5 with NAS/Em at the top and Rakim for 3rd and Biggie for 4th.

Royce is like #40 and Canibus is like #30 please nigga Get better tase in Hiphop!!!Crazy niggas are better than R59 and C
Ever listened Aquemi?

lyrical reaper

em is one of the best not the best ive been listenin to hiphop since i was 6 am not that old as for b.i.g bein regarded as a legend pffffft pure bullshit that nigga is only on ya top lists cuz his dead and was beefin wit pac

fuhgitabowdit

I think people feel obligated to give the title of “the greatest mc’s” only to deceased rappers when really, think about it….
BIG- great lyricist but I’ve heard better. He only had 2 albums before he died. What if that was his best work?
PAC- i love his music but he wasnt a lyrical genious. He also repeated himself all the time, so many songs sounded the same.
If I had to pick 5 on lyricism alone it would be (in no order)…
-Sticky Fingaz
-Eminem
-RA The Rugged Man
-Big Pun
-Tech N9ne

that nigga you hate

#14 is Randy jacson and number 23 is far east movement Jacob lusk is my man basses Asian muthafucka- that nigga you hate