This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Nabb1:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:Nabb1: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The "stand your ground" needs to be repealed. The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

Also, I think that there ought to be a maximum age for carrying a firearm. Too many old people get angry and frustrated when their mind starts going. This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.

My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?

vpb:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The "stand your ground" needs to be repealed. The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

Self-defense statutes in Florida (and in fact in most states) require a fear of imminent great bodily harm or death to be "reasonable". A fear of injury that is not "reasonable" will not justify the use of deadly force.

Also, I think that there ought to be a maximum age for carrying a firearm. Too many old people get angry and frustrated when their mind starts going. This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.

As a police officer, any previous outbursts of anger were likely overlooked or considered justified.

Trivia Jockey:vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

Trivia Jockey:vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Generation_D:Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.

Generation_D:Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera. The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.

factoryconnection:Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera. The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.

Also victim is a clean-cut white guy. That really doesn't help the defense's case. Maybe if he had some tattoos or a long hair they'd have a case.

Trivia Jockey:Don't laugh. I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday. I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds. The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

POP POP in the attic theatre? The mere fact that you call it "POP POP" tells me you're not ready.