I made it fair, I also insulted myself for added measure. I'm a dumbass too. <br><br><br><br>You always bring things up, but you never seem to provide solutions. Easy to bitch and moan, harder to think about root causes and why things are the way they are. <br><br>

All I'm saying is...<br><br>- Nick Berg was arrested by the US while in Iraq (for?!?!)<br>- After his arrest, the parents couldn't reach him. The government (who arrested him) couldn't put them in contact.<br>- Berg shows up on camera in an ORANGE PRISON JUMPSUIT, like the one's found in Guantanamo.<br>- Berg seems awfully damn relaxed up until the last minute.<br>- The video clip features guys in hoods, but explicitly names the executioner?!?<br>- The video clip features some odd edit jumps just at the time of the execution. The guy who draws the knife and begins the killing wears a dark hood, then there is an edit jump (shown in the timecode), and then the guy doing the deed is wearing a white hood.<br>- This video conveniently appears at a time when a scandal has seriously damaged the credibility of the war.<br>- It makes no sense that the "terrorists" would give up the equity found in our own damaging behavior.<br>- So who benefits from this death?<br><br><br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect A Sponge On The Verge</font color=blue>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Nick Berg was arrested by the US while in Iraq (for?!?!)<br>- After his arrest, the parents couldn't reach him. The government (who arrested him) couldn't put them in contact.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I believe he was arrested because at first the US goverment couldn't verify that he was in Iraq legally (He was actually there repairing and cleaning communications towers). While he was being held, his familiy was not able to get ahold of him at all. Then he was on his way to getting back to the states when he went missing/was abducted.<br><br>As for the orange jumpsuit, I would doubt that it's difficult to get your hands on any number of those.<br><br>----<br>Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.

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----Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.

Re: Orange Jumpsuit<br>Yeah, but it doesn't appear to be typical M.O. <br><br>Look at Daniel Pearl. Did they dress him up in an orange jumpsuit? <br><br>If somebody is detained by the U.S., you get the jumpsuit. Currently, the US is *completely* denying his detention, but it's on record that his parents sued the U.S. for his release...and he was released. So my curiousity is this...<br><br>- Why does the US Government deny he was detained, when the parents officially sued for, and gained, his release?<br><br>- Why does he show up in the video, dressed in the standard *U.S.* prisoner uniform? Does this somehow indicate just how quickly he went from detained by the US to caught by Extremists?<br><br>Seems like there's more to this story. Not that I propose to know what it is, but if you get past the shock and horror of the video... some stuff just doesn't add up. The several disconnects along with the timing nags at me.<br><br>Article: Berg Had Been Detained By The U.S.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect A Sponge On The Verge</font color=blue>

I thought I was pretty succinct up above...but if you aren't being rhetorical, here goes:<br><br>I'm considering the full chain of events that led to this sad eff'd up event and it doesn't make sense:<br><br>Before the execution, the guy was detained by the U.S. while he was in Iraq. But the U.S. denies detaining him, saying it was Iraqi Police who detained him. Keep in mind...who are the "Iraqi Police"?...well, WE are.<br><br>Regardless, his parents (as a matter of verifiable record) sued the U.S. Government for his release, and he WAS released. If he wasn't being detained by the U.S. Government, then how would suing the Govt. for his release result in him being released? It wouldn't. So this proves he was detained by the U.S. government. So how can they deny detaining him?<br><br>The orange jumpsuit likely originated from him being detained by the U.S.(which DID happen), and he's shown in the execution video wearing the jumpsuit. <br><br>Consider it as a timeline...isn't it weird that he'd go so quickly from being detained/released by the U.S. Government, and then getting picked up as hostage? So quickly that he didn't have a chance to get out of the jumpsuit before being abducted?!<br><br>Isn't it weird that the video states the name of the person responsible for the execution (presumably present) but everybody still wears hoods??? If you're going to say "I did this" then why wear a disguise?!?<br><br>Isn't it weird that there are so many bad edits in the clip and the guy who starts the execution ISN'T the guy finishing the job, after one of the bad edits interrupts that exact moment of the clip?<br><br>The prison abuse scandal made our government/troops look like the bad guys. Why would the extremists do something that would undermine that piece of political/propganda equity? <br><br>Al Qaeda may be extremists...but they've also shown they are methodical, patient, strategic, killers. It doesn't seem like they would stand to benefit from this killing in a way that matters to them. The prison scandal was like a freebie to them...so why squander it? It makes me question *who* is behind the hoods.<br><br>Finally, considering that last paragraph...if the extremists don't benefit from this killing...who does? In a sick eff'd up way..our government DOES. The prison abuse scandal now has a balance.<br><br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect A Sponge On The Verge</font color=blue>

And they aren't "insurgents" or "terrorists"...they're the locals resisting us. Some (not me) would call them "rebels", or...god here goes..."patriots". <br><br>(ducks and runs)<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect A Sponge On The Verge</font color=blue>

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