I think that <em>is</em> too obvious. There has to be a better explanation than this...

BigChiefFan

11-29-2004, 02:24 PM

We don't go after football players and go after projects in the early rounds. After looking at your list, gawd our drafting has been putrid in recent years. Damn they could take the dartboard approach and have more luck than that.

Rain Man

11-29-2004, 02:25 PM

One potential answer is that we haven't spent a high pick on a DB since Woods and Tongue in 1996, with the marginal exception of a 3rd rounder for Wesley in 1999 or 2000 (whenever).

As for linebackers, can someone help me out? In the past ten years, we've spent a 2nd on Mitchell and a 3rd on Fox. Anyone else?

We've spent a ton of high draft picks on defensive tackles, but few if any high picks on defensive ends.

Have we really just kind of ignored the defense for a long time, other than the DT position? I'm too lazy to look up the draft lists.

One potential answer is that we haven't spent a high pick on a DB since Woods and Tongue in 1996, with the marginal exception of a 3rd rounder for Wesley in 1999 or 2000 (whenever).

As for linebackers, can someone help me out? In the past ten years, we've spent a 2nd on Mitchell and a 3rd on Fox. Anyone else?

We've spent a ton of high draft picks on defensive tackles, but few if any high picks on defensive ends.

Have we really just kind of ignored the defense for a long time, other than the DT position? I'm too lazy to look up the draft lists.
Don't forget bartee. He's a :cuss: 2nd rounder. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

jcroft

11-29-2004, 02:29 PM

We don't go after football players and go after projects in the early rounds. After looking at your list, gawd our drafting has been putrid in recent years. Damn they could take the dartboard approach and have more luck than that.

I do think this is part of the issue. Vermeil and Peterson definitely seem to have this idea that drafted players don't start the year theiy're drafted. They're projects, to be developed. Both of the last two years Vermeil has told us that no player they could have drafted in round one would have started on their defense. "We're going for depth," he said. That's absurd. Many teams seem to have no trouble drafting starters in round one, and even in rounds two and three.

I do think this is part of the issue. Vermeil and Peterson definitely seem to have this idea that drafted players don't start the year theiy're drafted. They're projects, to be developed. Both of the last two years Vermeil has told us that no player they could have drafted in round one would have started on their defense. "We're going for depth," he said. That's absurd. Many teams seem to have no trouble drafting starters in round one, and even in rounds two and three.

Hearing those quotes from Vermeil infuriates me. Almost every player that was drafted in the first round this year is contributing to their team. he's a moron if he thinks it can't have an immediate impact.

Frankie

11-29-2004, 02:44 PM

So here's the strategy:

Step A- Trade our 1st for someone's 4 through 7 with them tossing in an extra 4th.

Step B- Trade our 2nd for another team's 4 through 7.

Step C- Trade our 3rd for another team's 5 through 7.

This will give us three 4s, four 5s, four 6s, and four 7s. That's 15 lower round picks.

SUPERBOWL HERE WE COME.....

JimNasium

11-29-2004, 02:48 PM

So here's the strategy:

Step A- Trade our 1st for someone's 4 through 7 with them tossing in an extra 4th.

Step B- Trade our 2nd for another team's 4 through 7.

Step C- Trade our 3rd for another team's 5 through 7.

This will give us three 4s, four 5s, four 6s, and four 7s. That's 15 lower round picks.

SUPERBOWL HERE WE COME.....
That's my thought. Carl is a draft gooroo [sic] and he wouldn't have to spend a 2nd rounder on 4th round talent in the above scenario.

htismaqe

11-29-2004, 02:56 PM

I think the problem here is Vermeil's AGE.

It's not that rookies can't contribute, and it's not necessarily wrong to draft guys that need to be developed.

Vermeil just doesn't WANT to develop new players.

Frankie

11-29-2004, 03:00 PM

That's my thought. Carl is a draft gooroo [sic] and he wouldn't have to spend a 2nd rounder on 4th round talent in the above scenario.

Now we have a total of 19 picks. 12 in the 7th round. Man this plan is becoming more and more diabolical. Next year's Superbowl champship is IN THE BAG. :)
:thumb:

Hoover

11-29-2004, 03:19 PM

We spent the last 4 drafts trying to find that monster DT, and it has hurt the rest of the team and the overall defensive unit. You can't focus just on pne position in the draft like the Chiefs have done under DV. And when he don't pick a DT, he & Carl has taken LJ and Kris Wilson. How about a CB or LB you dumb fu@ks?

Hoover

11-29-2004, 03:20 PM

I think the problem here is Vermeil's AGE.

It's not that rookies can't contribute, and it's not necessarily wrong to draft guys that need to be developed.

Vermeil just doesn't WANT to develop new players.
Plus what FA defensive stud wants to come play for a HC thats pushing 70 and has a hard on for offense. next thing you know, you will be on a rebuilding shit team in trhe mid west, what fun!

It seems like our offensive guys are all either first round picks or street free agents. It seems like our defensive guys are either high-round defensive tackles or non-high-round picks.

Spicy McHaggis

11-29-2004, 03:51 PM

It says what everyone knows. We need new people making decisions in the FO because obviously these people are not bringing the groceries. Honestly I believe that myself and a number of other people on this board could do a better job drafting in the first and second rounds.

BigChiefFan

11-29-2004, 03:53 PM

It says what everyone knows. We need new people making decisions in the FO because obviously these people are not bringing the groceries. Honestly I believe that myself and a number of other people on this board could do a better job drafting in the first and second rounds.I agree. Hell, the dartboard approach would be more effective that the Chiefs past few drafts.

It says what everyone knows. We need new people making decisions in the FO because obviously these people are not bringing the groceries. Honestly I believe that myself and a number of other people on this board could do a better job drafting in the first and second rounds.

I think Allen is going to be a good, not great player. Warfield sucks balls. Dalton has a chance to be pretty good (I could live with him as a starter) and Fujita is one of the better backers on a horrible unit.

Basically what it says to me is that our best players on D are pretty damn mediocre and that the rest of the bunch sucks even worse.

shaneo69

11-29-2004, 07:19 PM

Okay, Pioli is locked up, how do we get Ozzie Newsome?

Well, Lamar would have to target him, and honestly, I don't know if Lamar realizes that Ozzie doesn't play TE for Cleveland anymore.

Mr. Laz

11-29-2004, 08:12 PM

Well, Lamar would have to target him, and honestly, I don't know if Lamar realizes that Ozzie doesn't play TE for Cleveland anymore.