ah ha. thanks. my next question was if the stuff on their site is the same stuff in their annual. cool. I needed some cfe223 data. I found what i needed on the hodgdon site but wasnt sure if they had more data in the book.

I think all their current data is on the site. It gets updated periodically, so it's actually more current than printed matter. Also, for those who haven't looked, when you hit the print button you also get the primers, cases, and velocity barrel length used to develop the listed loads.

When I order powder from Powder Valley I check off getting a manual too. It got sent to me with the powder. The data is the same as what I got at their website. It saved me from having to print it out. Just a suggestion.

If I have to find even a minor annoyance with Hodgdon, it's that "Annual Manual." In my opinion, it's a magazine. It's the same stuff as their *FREE* printed guide that you can find a stack of at a good handloading-stocked store.

And as was said, the data in their free printed guide, which is the same as the $12 "annual, not really a manual" is also the same data that you can find at the online source.

Hodgdon is good people and they distribute great products and support them well, but the Annual Manual should be four or five bucks, next to Guns & Ammo.

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The beauty of buying their annual reloader guide is they include some extensive "pet loads" with any new powder that's out, eg. CFE it's a ball powder and to m y knowledge is Not Immune to temp swings, unlike their flagship "Extreme" powders.

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