Hi.
I agree with you Ann that there's a broader perspective and this was also the reason I subscribed to the mailing list.
On-boarding for me is a continuous process internally, spreading the word of W3C and trying to increase our involvement. And in this process, I'm surprised that there's so little "ready to use" material about W3C facts, status, "plans". I guess there are others in big corporations that faces the same issues. And, IMHO, material of this type is also helpful in the initial on-boarding process of new members.
Regarding my contribution, my initial thoughts was to help identify some "needs" based on my own experience. I'm not sure if I'm able to be helpful in any other ways.
Best regards
Frode.Kileng@telenor.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bassetti, Ann [mailto:ann.bassetti@boeing.com]
Sent: 10. mars 2014 19:52
To: Dominique Hazael-Massieux; public-onboarding@w3.org
Subject: RE: On-boarding headlight
Hi All --
I'm really interested in this topic. But, I think it's broader than just "on-boarding". Is there a reason, Dom, that you guys gave it that title? Do you really want to limit it?
As you all probably know, I'm very keen on the question of how to encourage and enable more participation -- which also includes the inverse concept of how do we reduce barriers to participation. This is pertinent when someone "on-boards" (that is, begins with W3C) -- but it's also an issue that continues the full time one is in W3C.
To that end, I am also supposed to be leading an Advisory Board task force on participation.
Side explanation: [I say "supposed to be" in that I have been too busy since we came back from Shenzhen to do anything at all in this space. My dad died a few weeks after we came back & I'm the executor of his estate. (It's OK; he was very old and lived a wonderful life.) And we had a massive re-org, resulting in 3 new layers of management -- all of whom need this and that from me as they come up to speed.]
So, on the short term I've been hugely distracted. But that should all be settling down, and I expect to be able to get back to this topic, which is very interesting to me.
I also would like to suggest that the Webizen project is related to participation. It's participation from a different angle, but seems like we should maybe collapse all these projects into one. Especially the AB task force and this Headlights effort, pending if this needs to remain focused on actual "on-boarding".
As for other participants -- Coralie has always been interested in this effort. I can come up with a list of other names (members) who we can approach, but I'll have to compile it more thoughtfully.
-- Ann
Ann Bassetti
The Boeing Company
mobile: +1.206.218.8039
email: ann.bassetti@boeing.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [mailto:dom@w3.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:34 AM
> To: public-onboarding@w3.org
> Subject: On-boarding headlight
>
> Hi all,
>
> As far as I can tell, 3 persons (beyond myself) have subscribed to
> this
> list: Ann Bassetti, Art Barstow and Frode Kileng — thanks a lot for
> signing up!
>
> As you might have seen, I have started a page on the W3C wiki that
> will serve as a home for our work:
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding
>
> In particular, it documents some of the ideas I have had while musing
> about this problem space.
>
> But before we dive into this, could I ask each of you to indicate what
> they expect to contribute to this project? In particular, I'm
> interested to hear how much effort you think you might dedicate to it
> (from "just watching" to "driving it").
>
> Also, if you have names of other people we might want to sign up to
> this effort, I'm all ear — the more, the merrier :)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dom
>
>

On 3/11/14 9:52 AM, ext frode.kileng@telenor.com wrote:
> On-boarding for me is a continuous process internally, spreading the word of W3C and trying to increase our involvement. And in this process, I'm surprised that there's so little "ready to use" material about W3C facts, status, "plans". I guess there are others in big corporations that faces the same issues. And, IMHO, material of this type is also helpful in the initial on-boarding process of new members.
>
> Regarding my contribution, my initial thoughts was to help identify some "needs" based on my own experience. I'm not sure if I'm able to be helpful in any other ways.
This is good input Frode!
Perhaps it would be helpful for you to brainstorm what you consider some
of the key issues, problems and such and add it to
<https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding>? IMHO, that doc could use a
relatively clear `Problem Statement` as we did with
<https://www.w3.org/wiki/Encouraging-Participation> and your input for
that would be good.
It also seems like the Staff should proactively continually interview
Members, especially New Members for various "gotchas" and problem areas
and that data could also be useful input for this effort.
-Cheers, AB

On mar., 2014-03-11 at 13:52 +0000, frode.kileng@telenor.com wrote:
> I agree with you Ann that there's a broader perspective and this was
> also the reason I subscribed to the mailing list.
>
> On-boarding for me is a continuous process internally, spreading the
> word of W3C and trying to increase our involvement. And in this
> process, I'm surprised that there's so little "ready to use" material
> about W3C facts, status, "plans". I guess there are others in big
> corporations that faces the same issues. And, IMHO, material of this
> type is also helpful in the initial on-boarding process of new
> members.
First, let me clarify that by "on-boarding", I meant making easier for
new individuals to get started in W3C (i.e. at the individual level, not
at the organization level).
I agree that increasing participation in general is a worthwhile goal;
the reason my proposal has focused on "on-boarding" is that it seems to
be that the biggest hurdle is to make it possible for people to get
sufficiently involved that they will want to get more involved — once
that barrier is down, it's much easier to iteratively reduce the other
barriers.
Also, given how broad the topic of "increasing participation" is, I
thought that a focused approach might be more tractable.
Finally, as Frode puts it, once you have maintained materials for
newcomers, they are useful to everyone, not just the newbies.
But I certainly will not object to broader the scope of this task force
as long as we don't spread ourselves too thin.
I'll look at the overlap between
https://www.w3.org/wiki/Encouraging-Participation and
https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding as suggested by Art.
I'm less keen on merging with Webizen which seems to be on a very
different track — it seems to be not as much increasing participation in
W3C standardization work, but creating a broader community around W3C
values and goals.
> Regarding my contribution, my initial thoughts was to help identify
> some "needs" based on my own experience.
That would be a terrific contribution, Frode; to be entirely honest, I
had been hoping to pick your brain on these questions from the very
first day I thought of that topic :)
Dom

I like all the points you guys have made in the thread so far. And, on reflection, I agree about "webizen", Dom.
-- Ann
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [mailto:dom@w3.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:35 AM
> To: frode.kileng@telenor.com
> Cc: Bassetti, Ann; public-onboarding@w3.org
> Subject: Re: On-boarding headlight (INTERNAL)
>
> On mar., 2014-03-11 at 13:52 +0000, frode.kileng@telenor.com wrote:
> > I agree with you Ann that there's a broader perspective and this was
> > also the reason I subscribed to the mailing list.
> >
> > On-boarding for me is a continuous process internally, spreading the
> > word of W3C and trying to increase our involvement. And in this
> > process, I'm surprised that there's so little "ready to use" material
> > about W3C facts, status, "plans". I guess there are others in big
> > corporations that faces the same issues. And, IMHO, material of this
> > type is also helpful in the initial on-boarding process of new
> > members.
>
> First, let me clarify that by "on-boarding", I meant making easier for
> new individuals to get started in W3C (i.e. at the individual level, not
> at the organization level).
>
> I agree that increasing participation in general is a worthwhile goal;
> the reason my proposal has focused on "on-boarding" is that it seems to
> be that the biggest hurdle is to make it possible for people to get
> sufficiently involved that they will want to get more involved — once
> that barrier is down, it's much easier to iteratively reduce the other
> barriers.
>
> Also, given how broad the topic of "increasing participation" is, I
> thought that a focused approach might be more tractable.
>
> Finally, as Frode puts it, once you have maintained materials for
> newcomers, they are useful to everyone, not just the newbies.
>
> But I certainly will not object to broader the scope of this task force
> as long as we don't spread ourselves too thin.
>
> I'll look at the overlap between
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Encouraging-Participation and
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding as suggested by Art.
>
> I'm less keen on merging with Webizen which seems to be on a very
> different track — it seems to be not as much increasing participation in
> W3C standardization work, but creating a broader community around W3C
> values and goals.
>
> > Regarding my contribution, my initial thoughts was to help identify
> > some "needs" based on my own experience.
>
> That would be a terrific contribution, Frode; to be entirely honest, I
> had been hoping to pick your brain on these questions from the very
> first day I thought of that topic :)
>
> Dom

Hi,
(sorry about the non-optimal in-lining but blame Outlook that I'm forced to use for my corporate e-mail account...)
> From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [mailto:dom@w3.org]
>
> First, let me clarify that by "on-boarding", I meant making easier for new
> individuals to get started in W3C (i.e. at the individual level, not at the organization level).
>
> I agree that increasing participation in general is a worthwhile goal; the reason my proposal
> has focused on "on-boarding" is that it seems to be that the biggest hurdle is to make it
> possible for people to get sufficiently involved that they will want to get more involved
> — once that barrier is down, it's much easier to iteratively reduce the other barriers.
>
> Also, given how broad the topic of "increasing participation" is, I thought that a focused
> approach might be more tractable.
>
> Finally, as Frode puts it, once you have maintained materials for newcomers, they are useful to
> everyone, not just the newbies.
> But I certainly will not object to broader the scope of this task force as long as we don't
> spread ourselves too thin.
>
>> Regarding my contribution, my initial thoughts was to help identify
>> some "needs" based on my own experience.
>
> That would be a terrific contribution, Frode; to be entirely honest, I had been hoping to pick your brain on these questions from the very first day I thought of that topic :)
My role and experience in regard to W3C is related to "on-boarding" on the organizational level. This was what I had in mind when subscribing to the mailing-list and the area I potentially could contribute. As a lurker-only in a few groups, I don't think I would have any valuable contributions on an "individual level" scope.
Sorry about this, I guess you had some other expectations Dom.
Best regards
Frode.Kileng@telenor.com

On mer., 2014-03-12 at 15:24 +0000, frode.kileng@telenor.com wrote:
> My role and experience in regard to W3C is related to "on-boarding" on
> the organizational level. This was what I had in mind when subscribing
> to the mailing-list and the area I potentially could contribute. As a
> lurker-only in a few groups, I don't think I would have any valuable
> contributions on an "individual level" scope.
Well, I think you actually have plenty of experience as an individual
having had to explore and understand W3C; I thought that getting your
views on that experience would have been a good start :)
But in any case, I would also be interested in your organizational
on-boarding experience — I would be very surprised if that didn't inform
the cases I had in mind.
Dom

> From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [mailto:dom@w3.org]
>
> On mer., 2014-03-12 at 15:24 +0000, frode.kileng@telenor.com wrote:
>> My role and experience in regard to W3C is related to "on-boarding" on
>> the organizational level. This was what I had in mind when subscribing
>> to the mailing-list and the area I potentially could contribute. As a
>> lurker-only in a few groups, I don't think I would have any valuable
>> contributions on an "individual level" scope.
>
>Well, I think you actually have plenty of experience as an individual having had
> to explore and understand W3C; I thought that getting your views on that
> experience would have been a good start :)
>
> But in any case, I would also be interested in your organizational on-boarding
> experience — I would be very surprised if that didn't inform the cases I had in mind.
Ok, then I'll "stay around" until someone kicks me out of here :-)
frodek

Hi all,
As far as I can tell, 3 persons (beyond myself) have subscribed to this
list: Ann Bassetti, Art Barstow and Frode Kileng — thanks a lot for
signing up!
As you might have seen, I have started a page on the W3C wiki that will
serve as a home for our work:
https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding
In particular, it documents some of the ideas I have had while musing
about this problem space.
But before we dive into this, could I ask each of you to indicate what
they expect to contribute to this project? In particular, I'm interested
to hear how much effort you think you might dedicate to it (from "just
watching" to "driving it").
Also, if you have names of other people we might want to sign up to this
effort, I'm all ear — the more, the merrier :)
Thanks again,
Dom

On 3/10/14 10:33 AM, ext Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote:
> As you might have seen, I have started a page on the W3C wiki that will
> serve as a home for our work:
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding
Seems like the above should be consolidated/rationalized with this
effort/work <https://www.w3.org/wiki/Encouraging-Participation>.
> I'm interested
> to hear how much effort you think you might dedicate to it (from "just
> watching" to "driving it").
Interested in this topic but ATM, just `lurking`.
-Thanks, AB

Hi All --
I'm really interested in this topic. But, I think it's broader than just "on-boarding". Is there a reason, Dom, that you guys gave it that title? Do you really want to limit it?
As you all probably know, I'm very keen on the question of how to encourage and enable more participation -- which also includes the inverse concept of how do we reduce barriers to participation. This is pertinent when someone "on-boards" (that is, begins with W3C) -- but it's also an issue that continues the full time one is in W3C.
To that end, I am also supposed to be leading an Advisory Board task force on participation.
Side explanation: [I say "supposed to be" in that I have been too busy since we came back from Shenzhen to do anything at all in this space. My dad died a few weeks after we came back & I'm the executor of his estate. (It's OK; he was very old and lived a wonderful life.) And we had a massive re-org, resulting in 3 new layers of management -- all of whom need this and that from me as they come up to speed.]
So, on the short term I've been hugely distracted. But that should all be settling down, and I expect to be able to get back to this topic, which is very interesting to me.
I also would like to suggest that the Webizen project is related to participation. It's participation from a different angle, but seems like we should maybe collapse all these projects into one. Especially the AB task force and this Headlights effort, pending if this needs to remain focused on actual "on-boarding".
As for other participants -- Coralie has always been interested in this effort. I can come up with a list of other names (members) who we can approach, but I'll have to compile it more thoughtfully.
-- Ann
Ann Bassetti
The Boeing Company
mobile: +1.206.218.8039
email: ann.bassetti@boeing.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux [mailto:dom@w3.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:34 AM
> To: public-onboarding@w3.org
> Subject: On-boarding headlight
>
> Hi all,
>
> As far as I can tell, 3 persons (beyond myself) have subscribed to this
> list: Ann Bassetti, Art Barstow and Frode Kileng — thanks a lot for
> signing up!
>
> As you might have seen, I have started a page on the W3C wiki that will
> serve as a home for our work:
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/OnBoarding
>
> In particular, it documents some of the ideas I have had while musing
> about this problem space.
>
> But before we dive into this, could I ask each of you to indicate what
> they expect to contribute to this project? In particular, I'm interested
> to hear how much effort you think you might dedicate to it (from "just
> watching" to "driving it").
>
> Also, if you have names of other people we might want to sign up to this
> effort, I'm all ear — the more, the merrier :)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dom
>
>