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No .. The difference is that a coast guard would not fire first and ask questions later. Also if any soldier of any country boarded a ship they wouldnt just let them selves be beaten by sticks so easy as portrayed in your video. Think about it .. like really think about .. if you were one of those soldiers with a gun .. would you let activists just beat you??

stop joining the german bandwagon .. they were wrong once and im not surprise you and they are again .. history repeats itself right?

1) They didn't just fire first, but asked them politely to re-direct to Ashdod or Cairo or be prepared to be boarded.
When told "Jews, go back to Auschwitz" and "Did you forget about 9/11", there was no other option but to board.
Opening fire, in a naval conflict, would mean torpedoes, canons + heavy artillery.
These people weren't looking for a friendly escort, like Magnus suggested.
Israel, mindfull of the media and some legitimate peace activist on board, under-estimated the mob on the upper deck.
This is evident in their main choice of artillery; "paintball guns".
Only when their lives were threatened, by being overpowered by the sheer size of the mob, did they fire their personal hand guns.

2) OK.....so now...the Germans are BSing too !
Like I said before, for some, only the arab media can get it right.
Might I remind you that the Canadian media and vote in the UN counsel was not on the Palestinian side.
Forgot.....they are BS too...all controlled by outside forces.

1) They didn't just fire first, but asked them politely to re-direct to Ashdod or Cairo or be prepared to be boarded.
When told "Jews, go back to Auschwitz" and "Did you forget about 9/11", there was no other option but to board.
Opening fire, in a naval conflict, would mean torpedoes, canons + heavy artillery.
These people weren't looking for a friendly escort, like Magnus suggested.
Israel, mindfull of the media and some legitimate peace activist on board, under-estimated the mob on the upper deck.
This is evident in their main choice of artillery; "paintball guns".
Only when their lives were threatened, by being overpowered by the sheer size of the mob, did they fire their personal hand guns.

The IDF admitted its identification of the Mavi Marmara as the source of those tansmissions was unfounded. Worse, there's audio of the same conversion released earlier that doesn't contain those statements.

The IDF admitted its identification of the Mavi Marmara as the source of those tansmissions was unfounded. Worse, there's audio of the same conversion released earlier that doesn't contain those statements.

The IDF admitted its identification of the Mavi Marmara as the source of those tansmissions was unfounded. Worse, there's audio of the same conversion released earlier that doesn't contain those statements.

Yesterday evening on 4 June 2010, the IDF released an audio recording of a radio transmission between the Israeli Navy vessel and the Flotilla ships wherein unidentified flotilla passengers tell the Israeli Navy vessel to “shut up, go back to Auschwitz” and “we’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11.” There have been questions regarding the authenticity of the recording as well as its attribution to a communication with the Mavi Marmara.

So to clarify: the audio was edited down to cut out periods of silence over the radio as well as incomprehensible comments so as to make it easier for people to listen to the exchange. We have now uploaded the entire segment of 5 minutes and 58 seconds in which the exchange took place and the comments were made.

This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the “Freedom Flotilla” responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified. During radio transmissions between Israeli Navy and the ships of the “Free Gaza” Flotilla on 31 May 2010, the Israeli Navy ship attempts to make contact with the ‘Defne Y’ on channel 1-6. Other ships from the flotilla respond on the channel, without identifying themselves. At some point during the radio exchange the Israeli Navy is told by one of the ships to “shut up, go back to Auschwitz” (2:05) and “don’t forget 9-11″ (5:42).

Why am I trying to hold a debate with you guys.....if you post...but don't even bother to listen to the by you provided recording ?
Where is the proof that it is a fake ?
You guys are building on each other's lies and misunderstandings.
This is getting too childish for me.

I told you to leave this topic to proper boards. Everyone will always have their differences. It's only natural to do so, and also to believe different things instead of having a clear mind. It's fact, not only that, but if you have a certain background, that will come into play about what you think was right or wrong. There's my last input into this topic, hope no one else comments as it should have been brought up on a BMW forum.

"Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever"

Magnus.....you sure define leftist "Chic"...defending these cowards, that use the urban population as shields, to draw Israeli soldiers into combat.
Ever ask yourself, what kind of people brainwash their kids and send them out into battle/harm's way (see previous video of Hamas fighter forcefully grabbing/dragging a kid by his shirt to act as his shield, into battle).
Obviously, with these kind of practices, the population will suffer a higher injury count.
Would your Mom send you, as a six year old, out onto the streets, into combat ?
A soldier/champion of the underdog like you can't defend that or will it again be 100% the IDF's fault ?

Magnus.....you sure define leftist "Chic"...defending these cowards, that use the urban population as shields, to draw Israeli soldiers into combat.
Ever ask yourself, what kind of people brainwash their kids and send them out into battle/harm's way (see previous video of Hamas fighter forcefully grabbing/dragging a kid by his shirt to act as his shield, into battle).
Obviously, with these kind of practices, the population will suffer a higher injury count.
Would your Mom send you, as a six year old, out onto the streets, into combat ?
A soldier/champion of the underdog like you can't defend that or will it again be 100% the IDF's fault ?

I doubt the difference in loses is cause they use urban population as shields.
You do know that Israel has the most advanced army in the world ?
Is it fair to attack civilian population when you know that that is all they are?
Yes maybe you get one bad guy out of 100 killed but is that the way to act?
And to answer your question a very desperate mom would yes. Even my mom would if she did not see an end to the tunnel and the only way to fight back would be that! I know you find it strange but its not the only place it happens! Poverty and deprecion lead to situation like this( Look at places where they sell their own children).
I am not saying that Israel is 100% at blame here cause they are not.
But if there is a fist fight and you show up with a gun....in my eyes you are the idiot....even if the other guy started it.
In no way Israel is just defending their rights.
All i see is them using that as a justification for their wrong doing!
Once again if Israel had allowed an international investigation and apologized for their actions they would be the better man in this case!
But all they do is act like they are above the international laws and falsefy the proofs.(hence why most cameras from the ships were taken).
Dont get me wrong i am in no way attacking you for suporting Israel for whatever the reasons are. But having met ISF troops and talking to them i know that what Israel does and says are not right!

"Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever"

But if there is a fist fight and you show up with a gun....in my eyes you are the idiot....even if the other guy started it.

Then why not a peep out of you, a few months back, when innocent Iranians were getting slaughtered in the streets ?
It's almost like the UN humane rights council, made up by the worst abusers currently known to mankind (take a look at the sitting members...),
that spends all it's time/funds (our tax $$$) scrutenizing Israel, while 100's of thousands of people are getting slaughtered daily, by the regimes they represent.
No wonder Israel doesn't trust these croanies, the likes of Muammar Gaddafi, to investigate its actions.
What about Hamas, purposely targeting the Israeli civilian population !
With your silence on that, you're implying that israeli civilians are fair game, but Palestinian civilian cassualties are not ?

Then why not a peep out of you, a few months back, when innocent Iranians were getting slaughtered in the streets ?
It's almost like the UN humane rights council, made up by the worst abusers currently known to mankind (take a look at the sitting members...),
that spends all it's time/funds (our tax $$$) scrutenizing Israel, while 100's of thousands of people are getting slaughtered daily, by the regimes they represent.
No wonder Israel doesn't trust these croanies, the likes of Muammar Gaddafi, to investigate its actions.
What about Hamas, purposely targeting the Israeli civilian population !
With your silence on that, you're implying that israeli civilians are fair game, but Palestinian civilian cassualties are not ?

I think you are misinformed! I have repeatedly said that any innocent life lost is wrong. That goes for both sides! Not just Palestinians.
As for Iran in my eyes that is a different matter as its more or less internal. However i am against certain actions their goverment takes. Saying that i think that they are portrayed far worst than what the truth is!
But lets not open two conversations at once!
As far as Israel and Gaza goes i see fault at both sides. But Israel has both better financial and military advantage . And you have to admit so far Israel has not been punished about actions that under other circumstances (or ethnicities) would have been severely punished!
As an example look at the war in Kosovo! It was very similar to this case with Kosovo being like Palestinians! So i Ask you this....Why isnt the same action taken to Israel?

"Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever"

Quebec is the latest region to fall prey to Canada’s growing anti-Semitism, registering the largest rise in incidents in a city over the course of the year - 373 incidents in 2009, compared to 245 in 2008.

Many in Montreal's Orthodox Jewish community say they are afraid to leave their homes, due to the "gang atmosphere" that has taken over their neighborhood amid renewed anti-Semitic activity.

The Chabad community in the city's Côte des Neiges district has experienced a number of violent incidences against it over the past few weeks, including the mugging of a visibly pregnant woman.

In addition, swastikas have been sprayed in at least three locations in the Montreal suburb of Outremont – home to a large segment of Hasidic Jews who wear traditional garb.

TORONTO - The senseless, unprovoked murder of 49-year-old David Rosenzweig has shocked many in the Jewish community, generated headlines around the world and raised questions as to whether his stabbing is symptomatic of a wider surge of Jew-hatred in Canada.

A well-known student supporter of Israel at Carleton University and an Israeli engineering student at the university say they are counting themselves lucky to have survived an attack with what they say was a machete near a Gatineau bar early Monday. Ottawa Citizen/via Vlad Tepes

The original report, from Nick Bergamini, the VP-Student Issues at Carleton University, and an outspoken supporter of Israel, apppears here: The cost of supporting Israel « Take Back Your School:

The report is yet unconfirmed, but it sounds like what we can expect now that Ontario universities are going out of their way to recruit Arab students. Either the universities are ignorant of the pervasive and hysterical antisemitism in the Arab world, taught in schools, mosques, and the state media, not to mention ignorant of the entire history of Islamic imperialism, or they actively want to make their schools uninhabitable for Jewish students, and soon for all who won’t take up the dhimmi’s bow. Frankly, even schools without Scimitar Studies programs can’t be that ignorant, that blinded by their worship of the Other, can they? (Alternatively, the universities are recruiting Arab students so that the latter can be taught a lesson about antisemitism, but somehow I doubt that’s the schools’ motivation, though it must now become ours.)

Meanwhile, it’s time for ordinary Canadians to decide if they want a country in which Jews and other infidels can live without fear. For starters, they might tell Dalton McGuinty to give up his desire to recruit rich Arab students as a funding source for Ontario universities; and we can demand of federal politicians changes on immigration policy, like restrictions/screening when it comes to admitting people from pervasively racist and totalitarian cultures. Write a letter, hold a meeting, today.

Meanwhile, Blazing Cat Fur suggests the Ottawa Citizen is working on this story.

The Third Jihad, the newest offering from the producers of the captivating documentary film, Obsession, explores the existence of radical Islam in America and the emerging risk that this homegrown jihad poses to national security, western liberties and the American way of life.

The film, which is narrated by devout Muslim American Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, opens with the following statement: This is not a film about Islam. It is about the threat of radical Islam. Only a small percentage of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are radical. This film is about them.

In 72 minutes, the film reveals that radical Islamists driven by a religiously motivated rejection of western values cultures and religion are engaging in a multifaceted strategy to overcome the western world. In contrast to the use of violent jihad and terror to instill fear in non-believers, The Third Jihad introduces the concept of cultural jihad as a means to infiltrate and undermine our society from within. '

Do you have to post the same stuff on different threads?
ANd what is up with the stabbings?
So everytime a Jewish person is stabbed its antisemetic?
All the posts you pot are speculating! No proof!
What if its Neonazis behind it?
I or anyone else can find countless similar attacks on muslims and speculate it was Jews that did it!
They are pointless and hence why the use ters as "the report is unconfirmed"

"Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever"