Corky

Great piece, Thumbs. I have always believed Amy Brooke and Kitty would get on well given their love of western literature. Amy is the person who rejected a Sam Hunt poem because she didn’t consider it poetry. Sam naturally became agitated because someone had told him the emperor’s attire wasn’t up to scratch.

Likewise Maori become agitated when they are told a few home truths.

sorethumb

I was thinking it’s just another arrow against the castle wall. I was on our Neighbourly chapter recently arguing about “Did you know it is Maori Language Week?” was good to see a majority of citizens come out talking common sense. There is something very dodgy where a small group can become a public opinion?

Pickled Possum

“Likewise Maori become agitated when they are told a few home truths.”
Don’t ya Just Corky.

I was in the company of 6 30-40 yo Maori men last week
ALL are business owners some reaching into million dollar profit.
ALL are handsome vibrant and honest.
All have their own strong beautiful teeth and work damned hard for their families
ALL own their own homes.
All of them ferry/taxi their girls around for safety and love it
All LOVE to hear home truths. They literally thrive on being critiqued
All treat their workers extremely well.
And NOT one of them hit their wives or partners.
I know some pretty Awe Sum Maori people Corky …..

Now these are the Maori that nobody wants to talk about in the msm and on blogs.
Better to misquote and tell lies about what they think Maori are about.
Or allude to dishonesty being in the DNA of Maori.
Is there any evidence that the English were/are honest in their long history
of being INVADERS.

How do you count the Maori people in reality sorethumb?
Each Iwi has a roll of members butt to be accurate the people have to register.
There are Maori people who live for their families and do not have time to register or become a member or to even go home to their turangawaewae
to their marae.
Too busy paying the mortgage/rent, food, power, gas, clothes, doctors, dentist
Too busy looking after the old and sick.
Too busy paying the taxman.

sorethumb

What about the Maori who would be happy just being New Zealanders rather than those who are the product a government bureaucracy and left-wing ideology? Bearing in mind our population is expanding and immigration is global.

Pickled Possum

They are asleep sorethumb …
put to sleep with non education of their people and their culture
When they wake up and see their culture being stripped away for a culture of lies and deceit they will be a force to be reckoned with.

Pickled Possum

PartisanZ

It appears to me Te Tiriti o Waitangi granted Maori the ‘privilege’ of being BOTH Tino Rangatiratanga whanau/hapu/iwi Maori and British citizens, who became New Zealanders with Colony status (1841) and Dominion (1907) … then full Independence status (1947) …

This racial difference, which might even be called ‘privilege’, is the very foundation of our country … The bedrock of our Constitutionalism …

Corky

”All have their own strong beautiful teeth and work damned hard for their families.”

The latter is a little strange, but I get your point. Here’s the problem. Maori like that aren’t hard to find..it’s just dead-beat,unmotivated and violent Maori are much easier to find. The prison population proves that.

I would have continued this discussion but when you write the following it tells me all I need to know…and that it’s time for me to move on. If you knew Maori history you wouldn’t have written this:

”Is there any evidence that the English were/are honest in their long history
of being INVADERS.”

Pickled Possum

Kitty Catkin

Western literature is an enormous field; nobody could be familiar with it all or love it all. There are many languages in the West and many kinds of literature. To know and love some is not to love it all.

PartisanZ

Oh Lord, more spawn of KiwiFrontLine, Treatygate, NZCPR, Hobson’s Pledge and their ilk … and from the same minions … for the same minions …

I love these White Superiority websites who constantly claim to be speaking on behalf of “the majority of New Zealanders” and “most New Zealanders” … Yet I can find no evidence of this … Where are the reputable surveys? The polls? The numbers? The statistics?

I see ‘100 DAYS’ has 4,297 ‘likes’ in total … and one single solitary ‘like’ for this article [admittedly only one day old] … our very own sorethumb …

Is it open for comments? No … Another confirmation bias site for the minuscule few who cannot distinguish racial difference from their own racism because of their own racism …

‘Right Brigade’ activism is admirable though. I think if all the Fair & Decent people in Aotearoa NZ wrote to newspapers and contacted their MPs like Right Brigadiers do, public opinion would appear somewhat more balanced and sensible …

Pickled Possum

‘English is superior’
who said? the English …
that’s real funni sorethumb

Where did you get that number for fluent Maori speakers?
from some English programme like Census. hahaha

How can you say anything about Maori and their ways,
do you know the History the whakapapa the waiata from the Maori
or do you just read it in your pakeha books
written by pakeha about some people they didn’t even know.
Your need to denigrate Maori is unfair.

PartisanZ

sorethumb

English is superior as it is a major language. It also has a vast literature.

What you demonstrate is that whatever Maori want (a question asked by North and South in the 1980’s) is as long as a piece of string and people like Gareth Morgan who think there is some point where a bell rings “that’s enough” are naive. What you want (as with your identity ) is all in your sick greedy head.

PartisanZ

20.6 percent of Canadians speak French fluently, mostly in Quebec and New Brunswick …

Comparisons are odious, of course, because Canadian ‘bilingualism’ takes no account of Native American language … but …

“Although the vast majority of English-speaking Canadians are favourable to official bilingualism, only about 10% of them, outside the provinces of Québec and New Brunswick, can speak French at all fluently.

A great many more can read it, at least at a basic level, SINCE FRENCH IS TAUGHT IN ALL SCHOOLS … “

Alan Wilkinson

A ridiculous waste of time and money in BC where any French speakers are vastly outnumbered by immigrants from other parts of Europe. However Quebec votes kept Liberals in power so pandering to them meant money and common sense never mattered.

Gezza

1. corn that is ground to make flour.
malt crushed to make mash for brewing.
2.useful material, especially to support an argument.
“the research provided the most sensational grist for opponents of tobacco”

Kitty Catkin

Gezza

I know what he means or implies by grist for the mill. It’s actually good dry wit.
I let the augers one go because I didn’t get it. I’ve found just letting things go sometimes makes for a far more pleasant existence.

PartisanZ

“Here’s the disturbing thing: research has found that merely studying Homo economicus [mainstream economics] can alter us. A study in Israel found that third-year economics students rated altruistic traits – such as helpfulness, honesty and loyalty – as being far less important than did their freshman equivalents. After taking a course in game theory (a study of strategy which assumes self-interest in its models), economics students in the US behaved more selfishly and expected others to do so too.”

Corky

Jews and Yanks. A double whammy, Parti? Economics is economics. Just like women’s study, is women’s study. Where your mind is, so are you. I don’t see a problem unless you have trouble seeing the broader picture. That said, life has a way of teaching you that.

sorethumb

Mainstream economics is based on models but the models depend on assumptions. I’m blowed if I can see why immigration is always good for the economy [actually the economy yes but what about per capita plus quality of life].?

High Flying Duck

A few of you are starting to let the side down in constructive debate on this site. As such, as a public service, I would like to remind all of you of the proper format to use (this works for all topics):

How to win any argument online:1. Willfully misinterpret your opponent.2. Accused them of believing something absurd that no one on Earth believes.3. Vaguely clever zinger that has nothing to do with anything.

PartisanZ

Our human rights are asphyxiated through strangulation by extremely conservative corporate-political elites who use social policies as playthings to entice, sell, bribe, mask, enroll, indoctrinate or force us into and/or justify their ideological, economic policy-driven agendas …

When hemp and cannabis finally merge into those economic agendas – probably due to pressure from global forces like ‘Five Eyes’ – they’ll be ‘legalized’ overnight I’ll bet …

What’s unlikely to happen along with that is sound, decent drug & alcohol law reform like what’s already being recommended by our Drug Foundation … The type sensible governments like Portugal and numerous others have instigated …

Look for the whole caboodle to remain somehow ‘criminalized’ rather than become a health issue … so that corporate-political elites can reap the monetary benefits, yet again, of the commodification, industrialization and pharmacueticalization of these plant ‘resources’ … while attempting to control the citizenry from doing so on anything other than their financialized terms …

lurcher1948

igm my favourite kiwiblog poster never fails to come across with a rightwing example post,Every day is anticipation what this sad person will post
igm
Sonny Bill thinks that HDPA is out of order in her reference to leeching PIs. Being a Muslim, he would disagree with anything truthful, especially the adjective “Leech”, which is depictive of the vile religious mongrels to which he belongs. In fact, he would not be missed if he returned to league — but he is possibly surplus to needs there also.
This”person”alludes to the fact that he employs people,and treats them like shit

Alan Wilkinson

I was on the previous contracted monitoring system and don’t know why it was terminated by the bureaucrats. It’s taken them a long time to get this replacement going. I still have the old box sitting there but not doing anything much but providing a wifi service.

Pickled Possum

Why don’t the NZ government send people like this home.
I object to my whanau paying taxes to house and feed this Korean
for 13 long years …. who thinks he’s Japanese.
That will be 1+ million dollars to house and feed this very sick man.

Zedd

lurcher1948

Interesting during Q-time; Judith trying to justify their ZERO-tolerance Meth/P testing regime in State houses.. by asking if the new Govt. condone illegal Drug Manufacture, dealing & use ? (paraphrase)

Twyford said “NO !” but they DO think, that drug use/addiction should be dealt with as a ‘Health care issue’ NOT a Lock ’em up, Zero-tolerance; Criminal justice one.

Griff.

Go Judith.
Nice of her to confirm their motivation was to continue the war on drugs rather than any real threat to occupants.
Some estimates place the cost of this stupid policy as up to $100,000,000.
Not counting the compensation Housing NZ will now have to pay out to those persecuted by the conservatives idiocy.
Judith really should become Nationals new leader.
About 60% of Kiwis can not stand her so National no mates will not have another chance to f up NZ for years.

lurcher1948

Also in Q-time S Brown (Natl) going on about rescheduling some ‘Synthetic Cannabinoids’ as ‘Class A’ drugs & adding harsher penalties.. it was under the last Natl-led Govt. that the ‘Psychoactive substance act’ (Dunne) was introduced & passed, which temporarily legally regulated these ‘Substances’ often referred to as ‘Synthetic Cannabis’,, but refused to include the Natural Herb.

It was even said, that many of these ‘synthetics’ were ‘LOW-Risk’ but refused to accept that natural herb, would fit this category !! DOUBLE-STANDARDS or What ?! 😦