Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

It's a stupid decision on the part of the Skins. At that kind of money ARE will either be starting or be the third receiver. No way that he will be paid $4 million to be the 4th receiver. So essentially this means less playing time for either Kelly or Thomas next season.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

It's a stupid decision on the part of the Skins. At that kind of money ARE will either be starting or be the third receiver. No way that he will be paid $4 million to be the 4th receiver. So essentially this means less playing time for either Kelly or Thomas next season.

Isn't the slot the 3rd receiver?

...any given Sunday....

RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!

GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

It's a stupid decision on the part of the Skins. At that kind of money ARE will either be starting or be the third receiver. No way that he will be paid $4 million to be the 4th receiver. So essentially this means less playing time for either Kelly or Thomas next season.

Isn't the slot the 3rd receiver?

In a WCO, they rotate WR's in and out quite frequently and also move them around the formation all the time. At the moment, we have four WR's, not including Thrash. So whether they dub him the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or slot receiver is almost irrelevant, he'll be moved around as they did last year. If many here are concerned about the development of Thomas and Kelly, having Moss as the only other WR with any experience might be leaving the team a little thin.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

Actually, he WAS the $4 million dollar receiver. He's now the $1.5 million dollar receiver.

Carter's new deal saves the team about $2.4 million in 2009, and lowers his case salary from $2 million to $1.5 million. Randle El's new deal saves $2 million in cap space for next season, and lowers his base salary from $4 million to $1.5 million according to sources.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

Actually, he WAS the $4 million dollar receiver. He's now the $1.5 million dollar receiver.

Carter's new deal saves the team about $2.4 million in 2009, and lowers his case salary from $2 million to $1.5 million. Randle El's new deal saves $2 million in cap space for next season, and lowers his base salary from $4 million to $1.5 million according to sources.

both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009 under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El). Only now most of it comes in the form of upfront, guaranteed money, via new signing bonuses.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

It's a stupid decision on the part of the Skins. At that kind of money ARE will either be starting or be the third receiver. No way that he will be paid $4 million to be the 4th receiver. So essentially this means less playing time for either Kelly or Thomas next season.

Isn't the slot the 3rd receiver?

In a WCO, they rotate WR's in and out quite frequently and also move them around the formation all the time. At the moment, we have four WR's, not including Thrash. So whether they dub him the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or slot receiver is almost irrelevant, he'll be moved around as they did last year. If many here are concerned about the development of Thomas and Kelly, having Moss as the only other WR with any experience might be leaving the team a little thin.

There is stilla depth chart of receivers. You may give receivers a play off here and here, but you have your starters, and either packages that work towards a receiver's specific strength or receiver depth chart.

...any given Sunday....

RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!

GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

Actually, he WAS the $4 million dollar receiver. He's now the $1.5 million dollar receiver.

Carter's new deal saves the team about $2.4 million in 2009, and lowers his case salary from $2 million to $1.5 million. Randle El's new deal saves $2 million in cap space for next season, and lowers his base salary from $4 million to $1.5 million according to sources.

both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009 under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El). Only now most of it comes in the form of upfront, guaranteed money, via new signing bonuses.

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The Randle El contract is virtually identical in theory.

As part of his new deal he got a $2.5 million signing bonus,

1.5 salary +2.5 signing bonus = one 4 million dollar slot receiver

No, the bonus is prorated over the life of the contract, so it's more like $1.9 mil this season.

Irn-Bru wrote:He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009, if that's what we re-signed him to be.

Actually, he WAS the $4 million dollar receiver. He's now the $1.5 million dollar receiver.

Carter's new deal saves the team about $2.4 million in 2009, and lowers his case salary from $2 million to $1.5 million. Randle El's new deal saves $2 million in cap space for next season, and lowers his base salary from $4 million to $1.5 million according to sources.

both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009 under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El). Only now most of it comes in the form of upfront, guaranteed money, via new signing bonuses.

<snip>

The Randle El contract is virtually identical in theory.

As part of his new deal he got a $2.5 million signing bonus,

1.5 salary +2.5 signing bonus = one 4 million dollar slot receiver

No, the bonus is prorated over the life of the contract, so it's more like $1.9 mil this season.

You didn't read the original comment. We weren't talking salcap, just compensation.

He's a $4 million dollar slot/4th receiver in 2009

ARE is getting 4 million to play slot receiver in 2009. That's incontrovertible.

Close to 2 years ago in the off-season, I suggested we BLOW IT UP. Now not everything below is completely relevant or even correct but I was curious. It appears most everyone mentioned in the BLOW UP thread is gone anyway. Portis hasn't played in weeks, Raubach steps on McNabb's foot every other play (anyone think we could have drafted an adequate replacement?), and Daniels is seeing spot duty (like him though). Just think, we mighta sucked for a year (did anyway and actually might not have), and with more picks mighta gotten a guy like Bradford (or someone like him next year) with all the picks we dont (and won't) have.

Sure am jealous of all the picks the PATS have. And they be startin' rookies, 2nd, and 3rd year guys practically everywhere.

Comments?

DarthMonk

DarthMonk wrote:Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

ey is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

I think the point is, had we blown it up as he suggested, we would now be past the rough years (which were rough anyway) and be a younger, leaner, meaner team with a lot more draft picks. Actually, this being a capless year was the perfect time to blow it up.

Deadskins wrote:I think the point is, had we blown it up as he suggested, we would now be past the rough years (which were rough anyway) and be a younger, leaner, meaner team with a lot more draft picks. Actually, this being a capless year was the perfect time to blow it up.

PERFECTLY SUMMARIZED. We just don't have a game this week and I feel like we've been treading water for about 10 years now.

Deadskins wrote:I think the point is, had we blown it up as he suggested, we would now be past the rough years (which were rough anyway) and be a younger, leaner, meaner team with a lot more draft picks. Actually, this being a capless year was the perfect time to blow it up.

The team had a regime change so plans changed. Not sure what the plan was when Zorn was here in the first year of the blow up, I'm not sure that Jim knew what the plan was considering Vinny was calling the shots, and MS won't tell anyone his plans.

That being said there are only 22 guys on the 2010 roster that was on the 2008 roster.