Just to history nerd it a little more, the charge at the wall with ladders was actually rather uncommon also. It's a guaranteed great way to lose large amounts of troops in a short period of time and ruin the moral of your army. Thats why they tend to either knock a hole in the wall, collapse it with a tunnel or build a turtlle and smack the gates down. Or just starve them.

The wall/ladder charge became more popular with fantasy books.

So in that respect if we are gonna compare Stannis to RL leaders, he was pretty shit. But as someone pointed out it is just a book.

the scene of cersei and her youngest (cant remember his name) sitting on the throne about to top themselves, was so brilliant, just the lighting and the space and the flashes to the door, expecting stannis to walk in.
such a brutal battle. and left wide open as to where each major player will end up.
unsure how bad tyrion is injured, and i think thats deliberate?, seems like it was shot to give the feeling of defeat and thats why he lay down, so you're unsure if he has given up or is about to die?

^ I just told about Richard the Lionheart, granted he didnt climb a wall but he got off a boat and with 4 other dudes charged off the docks and fought surrounded for at least 1 hour. The name escapes me atm but there was a Roman republic general who was first up and over a wall somewhere in the middle east though.

Yes but it was ore than likely he was fighting very inexperienced foes, and he and the 4 knights wre highly trained swordsmen. If youre thinking that "surrounded" meant that they had people constantly attacking them from all sides for an hour then i doubt that was the way it was. Plus they weren't climbing a wall with no armour on.

Roman republic general isn't a king, and the exception doesn't prove the rule.

Just to history nerd it a little more, the charge at the wall with ladders was actually rather uncommon also. It's a guaranteed great way to lose large amounts of troops in a short period of time and ruin the moral of your army. Thats why they tend to either knock a hole in the wall, collapse it with a tunnel or build a turtlle and smack the gates down. Or just starve them.

The wall/ladder charge became more popular with fantasy books.

So in that respect if we are gonna compare Stannis to RL leaders, he was pretty shit. But as someone pointed out it is just a book.

Asolutely true. I was going to point that out as well but thought it might be a hit much. Very rare to have a full charge at well defended walls with ladders! Especially as a first assault.

I think a bit more blood was warranted, anyone else ever had their face opened up? It bleeds, A LOT.

You ever seen a surgical cut with an extremely sharp knife? Blood doesn't even appear for a while. A sharp, fast slice with a sword would look like that. It's done well, you guys are nitpicking ffs. Let it go.

dick bag, it wasn't just the spoilers that annoy people, it's the constant dick waving that you've read a book like it's some amazing accomplishment and you need to keep reminding everyone that hasn't.

To people like J-Rod and Franko, being able to read a book is a very big deal.

No shit, he has been dead for 18 years. But I think that's more the way Stannis should have looked.

Too old, he's Robert's younger brother remember, and Robert is of similar age to Ned Stark (35 in the books, but aged up maybe 10 years in the series). He's meant to be a wiry, hard looking guy in his early-mid 40s, not an old man.

Mance Rayder: We’ve heard about him all season. A former member of the Night’s Watch who became the “King Beyond the Wall,” the leader of the Wildlings.Daario Naharis: A confident and seductive warrior.Jojen Reed; Meera Reed: A teenage brother and sister duo with special insights.Edmure Tully: A brash young member of the Tully family.Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish): Catelyn Stark’s uncle.Lady Selyse Florent: Stannis Baratheon’s wife.Shireen: Stannis’ daughter.Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns): Margaery Tyrell’s sharp-witted grandmother.Beric Dondarrion: A skilled knight who is the leader of the outlaw group Brotherhood Without Banners.Thoros of Myr: A red priest who follows the same religion as Melisandre.Tormund Giantsbane: A Wildling raider.

Aww shit. Definitely a few there that I thought might have been written out.

cause its hard enough keeping up with the hundreds of characters currently, as it is.
not all of us are nerds and have a seven kingdoms family tree poster above our beds

also funny that derelict mentioned he imagined satnnis more like the dude form star wars.
I started watching the show before i discovered the books, and have only just started reading the first one.
I imagine all the characters as they are in the show, and cant picture them as anything else

You ever seen a surgical cut with an extremely sharp knife? Blood doesn't even appear for a while. A sharp, fast slice with a sword would look like that. It's done well, you guys are nitpicking ffs. Let it go.

so wait, where not allowed to have a gripe we think his cut warranted more blood?

Theyre not adding new characters for shits and giggles, they're part of the story. It's based on a bunch of novels with hundreds of characters, there's only so much they can leave out without changing the story entirely.