The Debate … Winning by Losing

The presidential debate has generated a lot of comments here on thesaker.is. The moderators have read many different views. The moderators all found this comment by TooLegit2Quit well worth reading, it one of the many responses to Saker’s Debate rant. It is being published in Commenters Corner for wider readership.

Comment by TooLegit2Quit

I have somewhat of a different take. While I generally agree with both Saker and Pepe, that Trump performance (in content) was a bit of a disappointment. I must confess I did let out a long sigh a of relief when it was over.Ahead of the debate my main concern wasn’t if Trump was gonna win it or not, my main worry was that he was gonna come out, guns blazing and completely make mince-meat of Hitlery to the point most people, particularly the press, would have deemed it to be over the top and cruel.

Top this with a perhaps completely overwhelmed and hyperventilating Clinton crying, or fainting in front of the cameras on live television, and voila! The already established meme that Trump is a nasty piece of work and a bully would have gone in hyper-drive and that’s all we all would be dissecting and talking about right now.

Let’s not forget: Clinton is a woman (she always plays the woman’s card, and she did it at this debate too), she’s tiny compared to a towering Trump, and now the public also perceives her as ‘frail’ because of her health issues.

All those points gather sympathy from the viewers no matter how much they might despise the woman or not. They can’t help it, it’s a natural human response to side with a seriously disadvantaged opponent. Pit a frail old man against a lion in a gladiator arena, and I can guarantee you, no matter how much the audience might be comprised of die-hard animal lovers, they won’t be rooting for the lion, let me tell you!

This is my theory of maybe why… Trump advisors told him to go easy[ish] on Killery, and to definitely mind his mouth.
If that was indeed the case, sadly and reluctantly, I have to agree with them. It would have been a major PR disaster for Trump if he went medieval on her ass, because no matter how right (or wrong) he was on the issues, the press would have ignored those and concentrated on his ‘rude’ delivery and/or harsh tone.

We’ve seen this before when they constantly misquote him, for example; leaving important key parts totally out of the conversation.

Like… Trump comment [paraphrasing] that he wished the Russians hacked Killery e-mails, because that’s the only way the American public would get to know what she’s up to (or words to that effect). The comment was obviously made tongue in cheek – and we all know a good tongue-in-cheek comment is only effective when it carries a degree of truth, same as sarcasm – never the less… the press run with the story that Trump was a Kremlin mind-controlled Manchurian candidate.

This last part ties-up with Pepe’s article about this debate, where he highlights Clinton saying: “words matter.” Well… to me it sounds more like a threat on their part.
Meaning… words matter and since the entire establishment is behind me, not you, we can take your words and make them mean whatever we want them to mean.

After all wasn’t this Pentagon guy recently saying… [in regards to the bombing of the UN aid convoy] “The Russians are responsible for this strike whether they conducted it or not.”

[First found that quote here, but I’m sure a lot of other sources picked up on this]
Top US General Warns Syrian “No-fly” Zone Means War With Russia
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45555.htm

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I mean…. do we understand the far reaching implications of such statement? It means; whatever the US says – goes. Period.
And whether the Russians (or whoever we point our exceptional little finger at) are really to blame for whatever we hold them responsible for …if what we’re saying is true or not, is immaterial.
We call the shots and that’s that.
Basically.

This is the phase where psychopaths, typically – after grooming and duping their victims with their fake charms – like to expose themselves for what they truly are.

What can I say… Putin better start to dump a bunch of his Political Scientist advisors in favor of hiring the best Psychologists and Psychiatrists he can get his hands on. And fast!

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But to close, the main point I’m trying to make is; these are the same “people” the Trump campaign is facing, and to be fair… I don’t blame them for their treading carefully at this point.

There’s a whole mine field the other side already laid down in front of them, one false step and they’re gone.

Can we all just drop the BS and finally admit that is the most dangerous game of chicken EVER played? Millions if not billions of lives hang on the balance. I’ve just had about enough of snarky remarks about the state of the decrepit western culture, the western economy that is forever about to collapse, but it never does… the elites running scared, the various officials being “incompetent” and clueless about what they’re doing, the panicky ‘empire’ not knowing what to do while Rome burns… (etc)

And I tip my hat to Lavelle last Cross Talk episode [for those who follow my comments, you will know I’m not uncritical of him when I disagree] but his last show was one of the most mature [and therefore: most realist] he did so far.

Let’s hope, in the mist of everything else that is going on simultaneously: like, earlier today’s RT breaking news about the US threatening to break-off diplomatic lines with Russia on Syria, or the Dutch-lead MH17 investigation releasing their so-called new findings, which so far… seem to be pointing their fingers at, who else? But Russia… Plus… reports about Gulf States arming the Syrian revels whether they’re moderates or not with manpads capable of taking down low flying aircrafts… I’m hoping, flag-ship programs like Cross Talk are finally getting serious and down to business.

-TL2Q

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Best synopsis I’ve seen of the De Bait so far and I agree with TooLegit, Trump pulled the punches and made nice for the old lady. If he hadn’t the media would have pilloried him even more than they normally do.

I also agree with his comments about the state of Da West in regards to economy and society. While many of us can see the decline of EU/US neither entity will fall any time soon. I will live to see them as no longer the only global power extant, I’ve got another 20 or so if genetics hold true, but I will not live long enough to see either entity crumble to dust.

I will no longer spend half my time reading, worrying and parsing every word written about our situation, the world situation and what fop said what about Russia, Syria, The World in general. I have eight ‘children’ and a wife to take care of, a novel to finish, toys to build and a life to enjoy. I intend to do all for the next 20 including teasing my charming bride of 11 years every chance I get.

“[..] I will no longer spend half my time reading, worrying and parsing every word written about our situation, the world situation and what fop said what about Russia, Syria, The World in general. I have eight ‘children’ and a wife to take care of, a novel to finish, toys to build and a life to enjoy. I intend to do all for the next 20 including teasing my charming bride of 11 years every chance I get”

I cannot – not in a million years say that I blame you for how you’re feeling.
Myself, I’m forever two seconds away from shutting-down and going back to my neglected passions; music, art (in general) and writing…

One tiny little detail in my case, is that I can’t really let a bone go once I had a good hold on it (and you can blame that on my slight OCD tendencies, if you want). But the point is that I’m hearing you, never mind stereo, but Surround Sound (TM) baby!

I’ve too had to sacrifice some things [important to me] along this treacherous road of getting to the bottom of important matters – and here we’re all are, aren’t we?

Never the less.

Whatever you decide to do. More power to you!
Do look after yourself, enjoy your family/friends, indulge yourself in your true passions. And best of luck to you with your book[s] too.

-TL2Q

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PS: Also; thanks to the mods for choosing my comment. I’m kinda humbled about it and lost for words, all at the same time.
Half the times, I’m just chucking thoughts out there. I’m never expecting one of my random thoughts to be picked-up.

Too much verbiage for simple observations. What’s “realistic” is that US elections are a circus. Just ignore them. Why legitimize the illegitimate? Hillary’s position has always been clear. It’s also always been a liar. Both Clintons are part of the criminal enterprise that now controls the US. Hillary will always go along with Wall Street and the Pentagon. She is the spokesman for exceptionalism and for the US is always right by definition. Nothing new here, folks. To fondly imagine that Trump will win and save us all is folly. The US (Anglo-Zionist Empire) wants to rule the world. China and Russia will not kneel. Therefore there will be a very big war. Russians are not afraid to confront the Empire, but Americans are basically bullies. They’ve never faced and won a serious opponent–the Russians won WWII and paid the price.

‘The truth about American politics is this: disguised by the theatrics of squabbling Democrats and Republicans, Washington governs according to limits prescribed by a fixed and narrow consensus. The two main parties collaborate in preserving that consensus. Doing so requires declaring out-of-bounds anything even remotely resembling a fundamental critique of how power gets exercised or wealth distributed.’ -Andrew Bacevich

“because no matter how right (or wrong) he was on the issues, the press would have ignored those and concentrated on his ‘rude’ delivery and/or harsh tone.”

Ehm….the establishment owns the msm, so they would ignored or fogged it down regardless of which angel Trump would have gone. Msm goal is to make Hillary look like is genuinly is winning, so they can rig the election.

Hillary is nowhere near 52% of voters. Not even close. Its all a mediastunt so it will get plausable to rig the election.
People forget what type of people these are. They dont play by the rulebooks, they make their own rules or walks in the shadows and controlls media, banks/money, juridicialsystem, investigationbeaurueas, surveilancasesbeauries, military, etc.

Its all russian mistake all over again. One tries to reason with the cult of demons. Wont work, will only get you and your friends burnt.

But yes trump went very easy on clinton.
Hopefully he will expose her alot more on next debates. Its not uncommon to open light on 1st rounds.
But yes clinton is a hard nut to handle.

It’s really remarkable how tenaciously Americans cling to the illusory dog and pony shows that are the elections and support the illusion of a “free people” and a “democracy.”

Trump would “nuke” Mexico if it doesn’t go along with the wall he proposes. He would keep files on Muslims. He would “take the oil” from Iraq. And needless to say, he would support Israel unequivocably. Clearly his program means either Trump is off his rocker, or he understands very well how stupid and brainwashed is the lumpenproletariat; not to mention that he qualifies for office since he is largely immoral and unprincipled. The US public is a population that knows almost nothing of its own history, of world geography, but knows the doings of the Kardashians and the odds of a team to win a game, and whose chief sacred rite is shopping at a mall. It is a population some of which actually thought the Ukraine was in the middle of the US, while others failed even to vaguely situate it in the Eurasian land mass. Yet the majority is somehow imagined to be the repository of a “vox populi vox Deo,” wisdom even in the absence of a culture that would make such a possibility plausible or even effective.

But all this is irrelevant except for the fact that it makes a good dog and pony show. If Trump gets elected it’s because the deep state will use him one way; if Hillary gets elected, it means the deep state wants to go a somewhat different way. It’s not the candidates that determine policy, but the deep state; the elected simply say “yes massa.” The deep state does need to feel the pulse of the electorate to some degree, if for no other reason than to buttress the overall illlusion of the matrix, but “the people” certainly don’t determine anything whatsoever.

It doesn’t matter what the voters want. It’s what the deep state wants. See the Princeton study, and recall the way Bush was re-elected, and the way Sanders was shoved aside. If the deep state wants Hillary to win, she will win. If they think Trump will play ball as well as Hillary, and that he is preferable for X or Y reasons, Trump will win. Trump will not win because “America” wants Trump, however, or because he “wins” the debates, by whatever psychological interpretation you prefer. At any event, if elected, Trump will do what the deep states wants, otherwise he will be taken care of. If the deep state is effectively divided, it’s not “the people” who will determine the outcome…

I’m responding to the above comment, but the reply button isn’t working there. His supporters are not the Lumpenproletariat. but the culturally Lumpenized proletariat, & the petty bourgeoisie, in the main.

From drone strikes to prison torture, the CIA has been pulling the strings of U.S. Foreign Policy since 9/11. And if history is a guide, the agency will be calling the shots in the Middle East for years to come.

Nuclear Poker: Why the US Can’t Trick Russia Into Changing Its Nuclear Doctrine

“On Tuesday, Senator Edward Markey and Representative Ted Lieu introduced legislation which would bar the president from conducting a nuclear first strike absent a Congressional declaration of war. Russian military analysts comment on the bill, and the prospects it has for changing Russian strategic doctrine.”

I do not know if the site is under attack but which has been in the last days are both, my computer and my mobile phone which went to noir when seeing videos published in this site. My computer is out of work I think this time definitively, with the hard disk damaged. When the computer went to noir, I was just making an analyse with my antivirus while previewing a video I had posted previously about the f****g ” White Helmets” . When my phone went to noir, two times yesterday, I was viewing the video “Siria, faces from the front” and reading statements by Zakharova on Sputnik News. I must add that in the last analysis I made with my antivirus, because my computer started going too slow to switch on and off, as started happening the several previous times it was made going to noir, there were catched multiple menaces which included the word “kosher”…..Anyone has suffered the same problems? For the responsibles of all these , who I am sure are regulars in several modalities in this site, the next message before I get also without phone : You are picking on bone with me ( in the Spanish sense of the saying not American ). While I have breath, I will continue posting, and even in the case that you switched off even the net as a whole, I will return to the old octavillas which I will spread by parapente if neccesary. Worst regards,(Removed MOD) ( maldicion gitana española ).

An American presidential debate is not at all about debating, it’s all about getting votes. The average American would be dumbfounded by a real debate, and if they watched one would probably have no idea at all who won or lost.

I think Trump’s strategy may need tuning, but it was basically right. He had to overcome the picture that’s been painted of him as the Creature From the Black Lagoon to get more votes than he has today. So, appearing reasonable, or at least not scary, to those blue collar voters who are either undecided, or weakly inclined to Hillary was paramount. I doubt he lost a single supporter, and I bet he got more than a few saying “he ain’t as scary as I was told” who may now pay more attention to him. Should they attend one of his rallies, they’ll get all the Hillary bashing they need to cement the deal.

Thrashing Hillary in person, on live television, would have run the risk of confirming that Trump is scary. That was the one thing he had to prevent, and he did.

To me, her physical performance looked like a ‘bot running on marginally stable software.
Meanwhile, Trump played the regular guy. Remember, Dubya, a drooling, pants-wetting moron “beat” (I know) Gore’s polished policy wonk act. Americans don’t seem to like the latter, and feel more comfortable with someone more like themselves. They want him to act just like they would imagine themselves acting on that stage. If he’s powerful and rich, so much the better.

Also, I think Hillary made a strategic blunder. Namely, she threw her biggest shit bombs early – that he’s a racist, misogynist, birther, etc – and they didn’t really damage him. They can’t be thrown a 2nd time, that coin’s been spent. All she has left is the “Trump-is-a-Putin-agent” bomb, which is a hard sell, while Trump still has Benghazi, Bill’s psychopathy, the emails, the Foundation, pay-to-play, the trail of dead bodies and all the rest in his arsenal. They can still be used at the most appropriate moments, in the most effective ways.

I couldn’t help being reminded of Ali goading Foreman “Is that all ya got George?” as he rope-a-doped him around the ring.

This is borne out by the polls. Almost all of them had Trump winning, some by substantial margins.

Newt Gingrich, said the same pretty much on a Faux “News” that night/the next morning & it has been voiced elsewhere. With the system as it is there while a vote for a third party candidate might seem like a choice, I don’t think there would be enough to grab the 270 Electoral College votes needed to take power . . . . . And here you Americans were thinking you were actually in a democracy & in actual fact its 500 (or whatever the number is – I don’t know) people that can choose the pResident, no matter who wins the popular vote.

Trump isn’t the best person in the world running for the White House. His Democratic adversary is off-the-scale worse than Donald could ever be. A known/proven serial liar, a person who has no qualms about making people put in to a slush fund (the Foundation) if they want jobs, access, arms deals, leases to land with Uranium underneath, with no concern for the people on the land, or how they are removed. Not to mention the list of dead people who have been involved with the Clintons since they were in Arkansas. There is too much evidence, though mostly circumstantial, to be able to dismiss the list out of hand. A person like this – nothing more than a Mafia Don in a skirt – can be given the levers of power to the worlds most powerful country.

Trump went easy on Clinton because he is a stooge, IMO. He was inflated by the mass media which is controlled by the pro-Clinton oligarchy. He had fun vacuuming up all those loose racists & misogynists, & drawing massive crowds, but near the finish line, he obeys orders. There is a faction that thinks he stands a chance of winning: that won’t happen because HilLiary cheats.

@Mod, I posted a quite long comment about three hours ago which took me a while since I had to do it with my phone . My comment has not appeared.I hope it has not been sent to spam as one mod told me the other day with another comment of mine lost. I wonder why so mant comnents of mine result lost.

“Facepalm” is only thing i need to write.
Only people from usa really thinks that the usa system is a functional system.
The people never had real influence in the usa system. The usa system is flawed in sooo many ways that its redicules.
And add capitalsystem then the politicians become puppets of the establishment (costs fortunes to run campaignes).

Then add greed in capitalism, and then you get establishment fueling and controlling media with propaganda and lies.

The usa system is extremly flawed.
Only thing good is the constitution right to bear guns.
Because one day people in usa will desperatly need those guns to take back their country.
But most likely the establishment is way ahead of the stupidiest people in the industrial world (its insane how dumb the average usa citizen is).
If i was to guess, soon all americans will get chipped (in arms or somewhere) for either “medical” or for so called make usa safe from terrorists/crimes.

It is sooo easy to first f up usa (which they have done alot allready), and then they will proclaim some sollution, which offcourse will heavily infringe on the citizens civil rights. And people will follow like sheeps to slaughter because they are dumbed down and easily manipulated with emotions.

Same is happening in europe also, but not anywhere near the scale as is happened so far in usa.

Its insane.
It will proberly either end up in WW3, or if we are lucky it can end up in heavy civil wars.
But usa is the hot center of it all.
Nothing can get fixed without usa getting fixed.

Trump may be unstable, but hillary is insane and is allready proven an extreme liar, guilty of genocides, and a puppet of the establishment.
And they have gotten away with so much that they are becoming so on steroids that they dont care anymore about hiding things, because they now realized they controll all agencies and media, gov, banks, military, lawsystem, politicians, etc.

Its completly insane how far close to hell usa is falling down to hell by each day.

Your rant appears to be completely irrelevant to my comment. Would you care to clarify how exactly any of what you said applies to the principles underlying the concept of a Republic and specifically the Constitution? You seem to have come to the erroneous conclusion that I claimed everything was perfect in the USA whereas I clearly implied our own citizens are quite ignorant of our laws and how to apply them. I would venture to say you have much in common with American citizens as you also fail to demonstrate any real understanding of the framework of our Constitution. You are indeed a kindred spirit to those who are utterly distracted by our much-hyped election, as you succeeded in demonstrating a rather banal and mainstream view of our candidates which could have been copied and pasted from just about anyone’s Facebook page.

Your non-sequitur rant was quite entertaining, although even the simplest of intellects can grasp the destruction of unchecked capitalism and greed.

But i did answer some.
But can also add that, despite popular belief, in usa people do _not_ vote for the president!.

When they cast their vote.
They will actually cast a vote for their state representative, not for the actuall president.

The electorials for that state can then override the popular vote! (It very seldom happends, but to put it clearly: in no way are the electorial for that state required to actually declare the populations (popular vote) as the final vote.

But your vote does _not_ go the the president!, they go to the state electorial seats.
And the electorials will then vote for whom of the candidates will become the president!.

Considering that the establishment owns most of both the democrats and republicans politicians, it is not unreasonable that the establishment can and will use such screwjob!.

The establishment will most likely first try:
1. Manipulate polls, mass msm propaganda to try to get people to vote for their puppet hillary. And use all legal and illegal tricks they can use (that they will be able to get away with).

2. If that doesnt help, and the voters actually still vote to much on trump. Then they will use the Soros trojan horse.
Hint: most of the votingmachines are delivered by a Soros company (Soros is one of the bigger puppeter of Hillary. Very nasty person).
Those voting machines are “not on the internet”, but at same time they can be remotedly administrated by the Soros company. In other words=very easily manipulated.

3. If the establishment still fail to rig the election.
Then they have another card:
Using the electorial systems weaknesses.
As explained, the people dont actually vote for the president. So the establishment will find politicians (republician politicians) that they controll who they will use to vote for Hillary (democratic politician).
And the msm will easily propagandazise it as to do that trump is to much of a racist etc.
And they will sell it through msm to justify of not following the popular vote.

So yes the usa system is seriously f ed up.
And so much money dependency, so much corruption, etc in the american system. It is basicly built to FAIL.

And _even_ if the establishment failed all the above, then they have even more cards:
4. Get Trump assasinated. (They have done such things before, and gotten away with it). For Clintons friend its childplay. They will blame it on some antiracism activist.

And then when Trump is assasinated, then the Vice president takes over as president.
The VP is much more “play ball” with the establishment. They kinda allready own him.
So that is a serious card that is plausable outcome (because Trump could quickly step on to many of the puppeters hands and feet!).

5. Last option:
Fog it all down, and play the waiting game.
The establishment have built up this power since the 800th century, so waiting 4-8 years before they resume further operations is nothing to them.
And they can still increase power through all the shadow agencies they controll.
And they can easily spend those 4-8 years sabotaging Trump, so he get limited things fixed.

So basicly the establishment has usa by its balls. Close to castrated.
And is at same time holding rest of the world hostage.

So basicly it was this part of your comment the facepalm was to:
“In a Republic the people have real power to exercise control over the Governement. ”

Because in usa “republic” that sentence of yours is very very far from the actuall truth.
And how it is built up, it costs hundreds of millions of money to become a president.
Close to noone has those kinds of money, so that gives a HUGE dilema!.
Then the candidates quickly have to make deal with the devil, and become owned by the puppeters through lobbyists.

And this has gone so far in usa that noone reacts abymore.
In more real democrazies etc most of the usa politicians would have been prosecuted and sent to long jail terms for severe corruption, and for breach of national security.

When top politicians get so corrupted as in usa, then their integrity and their ability to serve usa and the peoples interest becomes nonexistant.
And many of the puppeters are not real americans, they dont have usa interest at heart. And that is severe when then then can basicly buy the president of a coubtry like usa.
(Well those banksters families do have usa citizenship, but they are like foreign agents. They bleed usa dry for the interest of their country. Usa politicians are basicly “on the take”).

Thank you for breaking down the electoral system which is, actually, the one aspect of our laws that nearly every American understands. It is also important to understand that the electoral college was put in to place as a buffer against the mercurial groupthink phenomenon of public opinion. It is a stopgap for the easily manipulated and ever changing opinion of the masses who cannot possibly keep track of, or be privy to every single issue of national concern.

“The presidency is a figurehead, and hasn’t had any real power in generations”

By this statement I implied that putting too much energy towards electing a president is a futile attempt at enacting real change.

The most important aspect to understand about the office of the Presidency is that the President is simply the Chief Executive of the country. The President’s job is to run the day to day business of the country, not to make laws, hence the term “Executive Branch”. The President may veto a law, but, as recently demonstrated, even this limited power can be easily overridden by the Legislative Branch. The only legal entity capable of making, or changing laws, is Congress. The members of Congress, are in fact, elected by popular vote, on a district and State basis. The dual house/senate model was put into place to allow both proportionate representation of each state, as well as equal representation of each state. Here is where the real power of the people is preserved by the Constitution.

I will now address the fundamental difference between a democracy and a republic. In a democracy, each person has a single vote, which elects leadership, after which the people must essentially live with that leadership with almost no recourse regardless of the level of corruption. But a republic allows for three branches of government, each with its ability to check the power of the other branches. The Judicial Branch allows for a jury system. Any person accused of wrongdoing has the right to face their accuser, and be accorded a decision by a jury of their peers. The jury system provides any 12 citizens with the power to override any law of the elected Legislative Branch. When the agents of government bring a case to the Judicial Branch, they are asking permission of the people (jury) to apply the law. And the jury has the right to say no. This is the ultimate check on the powers of all three branches of the government in a republic.

You make good observations regarding corruption and its deleterious effects upon society. But the Constitution is a document, and being an inanimate object, it is not capable of inherent corruption. It is the human beings that apply the rules of the document that are the source of the corruption. In fact the core framework of the Constitution lies in the concept of Liberty, whereby each individual is first and foremost accountable to God and conscience. Hence my statement:

“An Empire cannot be destroyed from without, until it is destroyed from within”

It is the ignorance, apathy, and internal corruption of individuals that allows a small group of powerful elites to run rampant, not the Constitution. If we wish to correct our course, it begins with educating and inspiring the individual to grasp the power of true civic duty. Change will not happen overnight.

Oh, and quick word regarding the 2nd Ammendment: this right is actually rooted in the fundamental right of each human being to defend themselves, their kin, and their property against imminent danger. It’s often mistaken as having been put into place in order to defend against tyranny, which is an interpretation vulnerable to the context of the times. It is preposterous to think that today’s citizens “could use their guns to take back their country”. No amount of citizen-owned arms can compete with the military industrial complex of nuclear arsenals, predator drones, battleships, militarized police, and surveillance.

The crock Hillary and the eastablishment cheated on the 1st presidential debate also.

1. Hillary got the questions a week before the debate. (So the establishment team could prepare).

2. Hillary is wearing wires. When she rfght after the debate leaned over to greet people one can clearly see that there are wire going up all her backside. The cord goes all way down to lower back where suddenly it stops at a bump, Including a bump (device) that sticks out underneath her jacket/top. (And what seems to be a nudecolor earpiece in her ear).

3. The Host Holts clearly was a shill, deliberatly interrupting Trump _alot_ more times then the few times he interrupted Hillary. And lied, and gave many softballs to Clinton.

4. Hillary used handsignals (unnatural “scratching” her nose), when she wanted the host to give her a “zingger” (an easy way to get points by getting in on trumps comments. Instead of new questions).

5. Trumps microphone was defective.
His microphone broadcasted normal to the network (live tv etc), so for homeviewers it seemed to work as it should.
And most watch over internet or tv (100 million++).
BUT when your mic sends out faulty sound in the debate _local location_, then the debate participant (Trump) will start to stumble more in his speach. (Dont know how to explain it in english, but it has a big impact of how a person speaks, and therefore for audience it looks alot less assertive and less confident, etc.

6. Hoax of a CNN post-debate survey. CNN (Clinton News Network) delivered a snap vote from the debate right after the debate, claiming that Hillary won the debate.
When one check the source of the sampling of the vote one finds out that they oversampled registered Democrats, and severly undersampled registered Republicans (25% or so) in the survey.
And still hillary did not win be a landslide in that crock survey.

7. online poll on cnns internetsite did not portray cnns illusion from their crocked/fake survey, so they deleted their online poll.

8. 90% of all online polls (off the nearly 50 polls ive checked), all gave a win to Trump for the debate.
(Yes trump supporters may have been dissapointed that he did not push alot harder on hillary, but still).
Yes online polls can easier be manipulated, but one would find clear tendency to Trump winning the polls in all the polls.
And the most reliable polls had max 1 vote for an ipadresse. And those showed aprox 53-60% to Trump.
And the polls who closed earliest showed the same. (Closed just hours after the debate).
And polls showed a “normal” diffrence between states and cities (partyline diffrences) which also indicate some reliability).
If it had been pumped with trump voterbots or something, then those partyline and citidiffrences would quickly been washed more out.

9. More.

For those interested alot of information can be found on youtube.
The establishment have censored alot on google searches (alot of searches on hillary on google is not coming up. And the normal trending/most used searches of hillary has been censored out, so people dont get influenced.
So googles search engineresults are manipulated.

Youtube:
In starts alot of youtube videoes get censored (deleted), but thanks to people quickly dl and spreading and reuploadings, sooner or later most get out of their censorships controll.
But at the moment it seems youtube searches are not so manipulated as google searches (i think).

Contemplating going over to yandex soon myself. (Yandex translator is several generations better then google translator. But havent used yandex searches to much.. And not tried out yandex mail yet).
Do yandex mail show yandex.ru or yandex.com ?
I wish i can get .com (to many in the west would just get defensive as soon they see .ru, while most are clueless about yandex).

Well, there is no need to search for the slightest detail in order to probe a conspiration for Hillary to win. Look, if it had happened in Europe, all the debate would had been in vain since the ver momment The Donald answered ( to Hillary’s question about why he does not make his tax deckaration public and that this is because perhaps he does not pay taxes ) that he does notpay taxes because he waa a smart guy, he buried himself without any help coming from The Hillary. At least this is what had happened in Europe where this fragment was televised. So, I do not know weather there is a plot between the two candidates to make sure that The Hillary gets elected or it is that not paying taxes is not a concetn for American people ( perhaps because this is a common behavior there ? ). In fact, I am surprised that none of the so well informed and intelligent people who comment here has said nothing about this detail. This makes me wonder weather this attitude of “not paying taxes because of one being a smart ass” ( i.e. a “winner” in the American sense of the word ) is so widely spread all along the US and weather this is why the US Treasury’s debt has escalated to astronomic proportions and weather it is not because of this that the path of wars to plunder, loot and destroy any country in the world which could have anything of value in order that American people can continue living over its possibilities as it clearly ( by the ammount of its debt ) lives. So, I do not know, but it is that I do not swallow with that picture of the American people being so ignorant and naive. The spectacle of this campaign is so grothesc with this shit of candidates that one has no but to think that what American people wants is to follow with this system as to what is needed for them to get assured their style of life, if not, they would be in the streets claiming for other more presentable people to lead their country.

I think most intelligent and well-informed people who do not make their living as bloggers or writers ignored the debates because they understand the farce. Most of my friends, as well as myself, tuned out roughly 30 minutes in once we confirmed that nothing intelligent was happening. Diving into a deep analysis of bad reality tv is not worth the intellectual effort.

Cross Talk had always been serious, but being respected takes time. They are going for being liked as well as being naturally, spontaneously informative in ways no huge US managed media ever is any more…leading to getting new viewers from curiosity alone, as well as assurances it is actually, truly,breaking news, that rarest of all human necessities today.Which from the very first, you could tell it is. I suspect there is no way there are arriving copies of Cross Talk while it hones it’s enormous skills and links to tomorrow as well as yesterday. that explains today. Explaining of integrity is needed and generously supplied. Amazing! Needs are listened to, addressed, articulated.

when I (rarely by focused intent!) talk politics with anyone regarding this presidential race, I almost always end up hearing about Trump’s mannerisms or his persona or how he’s a nut. It’s really aweful how people forget: our ACTIONS define who we are not our words. Even a casual glance at the Clinton biography reveals the actions of someone we don’t want in the White House.

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