CR7 wrote:Because there is such a massive difference in an 81 and an 82. Maybe there is on later PES, but on PES 2010, there really isn't at all. I stand by my set. He is rated by how I've seen him over the last 3 seasons at United. I wasn't one of those who knee jerked right away when he had a few bad performances coming off ankle surgery last summer.

I said 81 max, Thats not what I'd have him at personally, but what I'd be allowing others to go for or even to be possible to see, I'd personally have him similar to what I have Vidic on. Which is in the 70s.

Yet again, United's best defender. Shame his CB partners are constantly rotated around. Also a shame for Smalling because a partnership with he and Evans is there, as we saw against Arsenal just a month or so ago.

People gon' be people. They gon' lie, they gon' cheat, they gon' steal, but as long you get yours, you keep it moving.

But your Ivanovic has +2 Response, +5 Balance, +4 Jump and +1 Header combined with his 82 DEF which make him a hell of a defender whereas Evans relies on reading the game and being in the correct position, hence the +2 Defense.

People gon' be people. They gon' lie, they gon' cheat, they gon' steal, but as long you get yours, you keep it moving.

No, I'm saying Evans is a better reader of the game than Ivanovic but Ivanovic would still be a good defender and represented well in game because of his Response and his physical stats. Evans wouldn't be represented well in game without a good DEF rating because that's the kind of defender he is.

Re Koscielny: He is another who is more reaction/pace > reading.

People gon' be people. They gon' lie, they gon' cheat, they gon' steal, but as long you get yours, you keep it moving.

Evans must be the luckiest defender on the planet. Manages in the same game to hit the post (because he can't clear a ball)lets Mata go for the second Chelsea goal (because he has no positional awarness), comits a foul (because he can't tackle) but the other guy gets sent off. And avoids the hairdryer because his team wins. Johnny you should quit football and start playing poker.