I've had my first look at Probiz's website and can't see "tax avoidance for the rich" quoted anywhere. All accountants don't just offer savings on tax or let's say advice on how to use tax allowances as being a better description. Probiz's wil have a far wider remit than that simple, false remit. Many people who are either setting up their own business or already have their own business are very inexperienced in what they know about the very complex tax rules and regulations in this country. Probiz are doing nothing illegal.
I'd be quite happy with Probiz within RL circles if only to guide and advise some of the clubs through what they can and can't do tax-wise if it helps them run a better business model and avoids some of the financial meltdowns we've seen recently. I'd also be happy for them to guide RL clubs through what has to be done regarding image rights for example.

I've had my first look at Probiz's website and can't see "tax avoidance for the rich" quoted anywhere. All accountants don't just offer savings on tax or let's say advice on how to use tax allowances as being a better description. Probiz's wil have a far wider remit than that simple, false remit. Many people who are either setting up their own business or already have their own business are very inexperienced in what they know about the very complex tax rules and regulations in this country. Probiz are doing nothing illegal.I'd be quite happy with Probiz within RL circles if only to guide and advise some of the clubs through what they can and can't do tax-wise if it helps them run a better business model and avoids some of the financial meltdowns we've seen recently. I'd also be happy for them to guide RL clubs through what has to be done regarding image rights for example.

I don't give a damn whether probiz sponsor any team in any sportsame with provident.

Well the feeder clubs won't have to worry about tax avoidance three years from now as their teams will be full of players who are paid by SL clubs. Good luck to them.

i don't think we should worry about probiz Terry. does the fact that they provide this service make them any worse than the companies and individuals(many of them sportsmen) who use this service. both man u, and mclaren mercedes have taken sponsorship from vodafone who take advantage of tax management, which i must stress is not illegal. a fact i found on google, a company which also uses tax management. but at least i was drinking a mug of dowe egberts at the time, and not starbucks. i have to admit also, that i cannot bring myself to bin my kindle loaded with its 70 books, because it was supplied by amazon. neither do i switch the tv off when the news is being read by newsreaders who's contracts have them represented as companies instead of workers, so as to pay less tax. as for politicians who rule our lives, well, the less said the better. it's a minefield isn't it.

i don't think we should worry about probiz Terry. does the fact that they provide this service make them any worse than the companies and individuals(many of them sportsmen) who use this service. both man u, and mclaren mercedes have taken sponsorship from vodafone who take advantage of tax management, which i must stress is not illegal. a fact i found on google, a company which also uses tax management. but at least i was drinking a mug of dowe egberts at the time, and not starbucks. i have to admit also, that i cannot bring myself to bin my kindle loaded with its 70 books, because it was supplied by amazon. neither do i switch the tv off when the news is being read by newsreaders who's contracts have them represented as companies instead of workers, so as to pay less tax. as for politicians who rule our lives, well, the less said the better. it's a minefield isn't it.

as well as a moral(one of thre buzzwords amongst Rovers Sid and Doris Bonkers brigade).

tax avoidance, or to put the sugar coating on it you hsve done 'tax management', means thaqt wealthy individuals and organisations can deprive the country of the money to build schools, hospitals, and so on. It's becaue it's a 'minefield' that companies like probiz exist.

But in any case, you are either too dim or too dishonest to pick up the actual point, and thst id the self serving selective morality of you and your like.

You are happy to invoke morality when it suits, yet keep quiet when it doesn't

trying to run and develop a sport with more historic and present day issues than any other: in built parochialism, narrow demography, limited international copmpetition(see in built parochialism), narrow geographical spread, a minority sport in its own heartlands, lack of funds etc etc. It's a minefield isn't it

trying to run and develop a sport with more historic and present day issues than any other: in built parochialism, narrow demography, limited international copmpetition(see in built parochialism), narrow geographical spread, a minority sport in its own heartlands, lack of funds etc etc......It's a minefield....

as well as a moral(one of thre buzzwords amongst Rovers Sid and Doris Bonkers brigade).

tax avoidance, or to put the sugar coating on it you hsve done 'tax management', means thaqt wealthy individuals and organisations can deprive the country of the money to build schools, hospitals, and so on. It's becaue it's a 'minefield' that companies like probiz exist.

But in any case, you are either too dim or too dishonest to pick up the actual point, and thst id the self serving selective morality of you and your like.

You are happy to invoke morality when it suits, yet keep quiet when it doesn't

trying to run and develop a sport with more historic and present day issues than any other: in built parochialism, narrow demography, limited international copmpetition(see in built parochialism), narrow geographical spread, a minority sport in its own heartlands, lack of funds etc etc. It's a minefield isn't it

i don't think we should worry about probiz Terry. does the fact that they provide this service make them any worse than the companies and individuals(many of them sportsmen) who use this service. both man u, and mclaren mercedes have taken sponsorship from vodafone who take advantage of tax management, which i must stress is not illegal. a fact i found on google, a company which also uses tax management. but at least i was drinking a mug of dowe egberts at the time, and not starbucks. i have to admit also, that i cannot bring myself to bin my kindle loaded with its 70 books, because it was supplied by amazon. neither do i switch the tv off when the news is being read by newsreaders who's contracts have them represented as companies instead of workers, so as to pay less tax. as for politicians who rule our lives, well, the less said the better. it's a minefield isn't it.

On the issue of morality Old Rover, how about the birth of SL Europe as a limited company? Established as a stand alone body separated from the RFL for the sole purpose of negotiating all of the Sky sponsorship for themselves. No wonder Sid and Doris became a little upset.

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On the issue of morality Old Rover, how about the birth of SL Europe as a limited company? Established as a stand alone body separated from the RFL for the sole purpose of negotiating all of the Sky sponsorship for themselves. No wonder Sid and Doris became a little upset.

what are yout views on the morality of tax evasion by the wealthy?

I'm really not sure how SL as a limited country is out of order, but if it is it pales in comparison to depriving trhe country of billions in taxes.

There is life beyond the bottom of station lane. There are things that transcend a game.

people who like to denounce conveniently immorality in their sport, being strangely quiet whn it's not convenient

oh the self serving hypocrisy.

you use the word immoral not me. i complain about unfairness, not the same thing. as for probiz, i'm not sure what they do, i could google them, but as they're massive tax avoiders, best not eh. btw mr nahaboo was at fev a couple of weeks ago, taking questions from the floor. shame you couldn't be there.

you use the word immoral not me. i complain about unfairness, not the same thing. as for probiz, i'm not sure what they do, i could google them, but as they're massive tax avoiders, best not eh. btw mr nahaboo was at fev a couple of weeks ago, taking questions from the floor. shame you couldn't be there.

immoral, unfair is a major part of the admittedly limited lexicon of the Rovers Sid and Doris Bonkers tendency-usually directed at the RFL. Never invoked it yourself? I think you have.

yet again(is that another whooshing sound I hear?) the point either goes over your head, or you are too dishonest to address it.

The point is that the likes of you wallow in percieved bunfairness and the immorality or lack of ethics-see T Mullaney's recent post, but whan it suits-ir somebody is giving your club money, your moral compass goes haywire.

immoral, unfair is a major part of the admittedly limited lexicon of the Rovers Sid and Doris Bonkers tendency-usually directed at the RFL. Never invoked it yourself? I think you have.

yet again(is that another whooshing sound I hear?) the point either goes over your head, or you are too dishonest to address it.

The point is that the likes of you wallow in percieved bunfairness and the immorality or lack of ethics-see T Mullaney's recent post, but whan it suits-ir somebody is giving your club money, your moral compass goes haywire.

ok saint mysterioso, it's all yours, i'm gone. ps i didn't for one minute believe you when you said you were leaving the forum. pps bunfairness isn't in our lexicon either