Re: [Covenanted Reformation] Is This just sour grapes?

Dear Fred, I have been reading Douglas Wilson s blog for some time now. If he is defending a de-frocked minister, then I know nothing of that. Even if he were

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, Mar 19 9:54 AM

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Dear Fred,

I have been reading Douglas Wilson's blog for some
time now. If he is defending a de-frocked minister, then I know nothing of
that. Even if he were doing this, the principles in the article are sound,
imho.

I think we need to be careful to read source
material as opposed to people's opinions of what is going on. Otherwise it
is too easy to make mistakes about what people actually said or what they
actually are. Reg Barrow is a case in point. He is neither a
minister nor a ruling elder.

I would be weary of anything coming from
cult-leader Doug Wilson. He wrote this stuff to try to justify a defrocked
minister deposed by the RPC-GA, and is now trying to get him into the
schismatic CRE, which he founded to blend Independents, Anabaptists, and
Episcopals with so-called Presbyterians.

His atrocious defense of
Chattel slavery, unconfessional embrace of Auburn Avenue, idolatrous
blending of dark and light, covering up of dope dealing, and illegal
casinos, combined with constant villification of everyone who disagrees with
him (including Pastor Reg Barrow) has caused much dishonor to Christ's name
in Moscow, Idaho.

All the best,Fred.

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covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl Grenon"
<cheryl@...> wrote:>> I don't know about this guy, but
here is a blog post from Douglas Wilson that I posted and linked to on my
blog concerning the tendency of people to shoot their mouth off on the
internet... Could be that his words apply here.> >
> From Douglas Wilson's blog> > Trial By Internet Topic: A
Justice Primer> > The Bible tells us that the man who is able to
tame the tongue is able to deal with anything. The tongue is a restless
evil, he says, full of poison. It sets the world on fire, and is set on fire
by hell. As long as sin has been in the world, this has been true, but
whenever new means of communication are developed, sin eagerly rushes in
often before cultural sanctification and manners catch up with it.>
> The printing press was invented, and was gloriously used by God to
spread the availability of the Scriptures. But the same printing press
made scurrilous broadsheets and pamphlets possible, and those applications
were not slow in coming. The telephone was invented, and made many wonderful
things possible, but gossip and time-wasting chatter were right there as
well.> > Now we are dealing with the internet and email, and all
the warnings that St. James gave us have to be taken to heart in new
ways. We are dealing with the electronic tongue, and we have not yet
learned how to deal with the electronic tongue. To the extent that
pastors talk about the internet in sermons at all, it tends toward
concerns about pornography. This is far from being an unreasonable
concern, because porn is a big problem. But I think Scripture also
encourages us to address the sins that are commonly and routinely
committed by people in front of other Christians. Christians who use
porn almost always sneak off to do it alone, in secret. But disgraceful
web sites are set up for the whole world to see, and it is not recognized
for what it is. We are so much in the grip of radical individualism that as
long as someone is advancing something that they call their perspective or
"point of view," we think in First Amendment terms rather than in Second
Greatest Commandment terms. But points of view are not self-authenticating.
They are not autonomous. And to apply Dilbert to this, "When did ignorance
become a point of view?"> > With this in mind, let me just
note a few sins of the electronic tongue. They are all particular
applications of principles found in Scripture, revealed to us long before
the day of ones and zeros. But we have to remember that we are creatures of
habit in our virtues and vices, and this means that people will often do in
a new setting something they would never dream of doing in an older, more
familiar setting. This is because the older, more familiar setting was
governed by a set of manners that were seeking (sometimes rightly,
sometimes wrongly) to govern that behavior. But when the setting
changes, all bets are off. In a previous era, pietistic churches often
had rules against going to the movies in a theater, which used to be the
only place you could see them. But with the advent of television, the VCR,
and then the DVD, members of such churches can watch movies without a twinge
in their conscience. Men who would never dream of buying a pornographic
magazine will visit pornographic web sites. And bringing us to the point of
this post, people will type things at a keyboard that they would never dream
of saying.> > So here are just a few things to watch
for:> > Trial by Internet: we have been covering the principles of
justice in this series. Those principles are to be applied by individual
Christians who are faithful members of churches, sessions of elders,
faithful presbyteries, and councils of Christians. They are all to be
dealt with in an incarnational way, settled and applied by people who live
with one another, and love one another in three-dimensional ways. When
someone's reputation is being dragged through the mud, we have to remember
to give an attack web site the same authority (i.e. none) that we would give
a xeroxed nasty-gram tacked to a telephone pole. Scurrilous sites are easy
to identify, and Scripture requires us to ignore them completely. Not only
should we ignore them completely, we should ignore those who do not distance
themselves from everyone engaged in that kind of thing.> >
Other sites are not scurrilous, and make a great show of putting on a
dignified air, but they are still trying to try the case in the wrong place.
Jesus did not say, "And if your brother does not hear you, I hear blogspots
are fairly inexpensive."> > Speed Is Not Synonymous With Truth: we
used to equate a "fast talker" with a greater likelihood of falsehood. This
suspicion ought to remain with us. What the Internet does is enable us to
circulate our ignorance around the globe at a high rate of speed. The fact
that I can click a button, and people in Australia can read what I wrote
a few seconds later, does not make it right. Jesus said of the Pharisees
that they made a great business of crossing over land and sea to make a
convert, and when they made one, he became twice as much a son of hell as
themselves. You sell what's on the shelves. You export what you produce. You
say what's in your heart. Now if what you have is a pack of lies, or
poorly-researched slanders, or plain old-fashioned folly, then that is what
goes up when you click the button> > The Internet Is Not
Private Space: many who sit behind keyboards make the same mistake made by a
toddler who hides by covering his eyes. If he can't see others, they must
not be able to see him. There is truly a weird phenomenon going on here. A
few years ago, a couple who worked for an establishment made some home-made
pornographic material and posted on the web. Their employer found out
about it and dismissed them. They, in turn, sued the employer for invading
their privacy. Now think about this for a minute. Another illustration of
this kind of a strange mind-bend is the phenomenon of what should be called
the Narcissistic Blog. A private diary is a private diary, and people can
have private pity parties in them. But a narcissistic blog is not private,
and cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered private. But on
more than one occasion I have known of young people surprised that their
elders knew about something. "How did you know that?" "Well, you posted
it on the world wide web." I have sometimes thought (not quite in jest) that
larger churches ought to bring an elder on staff whose sole job would be to
monitor the blogs of the young people in the church. As Yogi Berra once
said, "You can observe a lot by just watching."> > Courage Is
Personal: when you have something against your brother, or your brother has
something against you, buy him a beer and talk to him about it. Commit
yourself to it over time. Do everything you can to deal with problems the
way a courageous man would, if he were here. > > >
----- Original Message ----- > From: Crazy Calvinist > To:
covenantedreformationclub@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006
4:17 AM> Subject: [Covenanted Reformation] Is This just sour
grapes?> > > Of an irate and indignant individual?
Someone (the person involved in the dispute) posted the link on my website
last night. And have heard bad things about the PCA at times in this
group, and this link (which claimes the PCA is a cult) was kind of
confusing. Though it may be meaning just the one specific church belonging
to the PCA, but was kind of hard to follow. > >
Presby.com> > ~Deejay> > > > >
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G day Gerry, 1. New Saint Andrews own elders discovered illegal gambling and opium where going on at The Lounge and instead of handing the info over to the

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, Mar 19 9:57 AM

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G'day Gerry,

1. New Saint Andrews own elders discovered illegal gambling and
opium where going on at "The Lounge" and instead of handing the info
over to the police, Doug Wilson just paid off the casino out of
church funds and "censored" those involved by excluding them from
membership for one year. The Ringleader turned out to be one of the
elder's own sons. All the info is available at dougsplotch.com

2. Sorry for mis-speaking. Greg Price is the pastor. I am not sure
what ministerial status (if any), that Reg Barrows holds. I got them
confused.

Dear Fred, Dougsplotch.com is precisely the sort of thing that Douglas Wilson was talking about in the article I posted. I suggest you do a search on gambling

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, Mar 19 10:58 AM

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Dear Fred,

Dougsplotch.com is precisely the sort of thing that
Douglas Wilson was talking about in the article I posted. I suggest you do
a search on gambling on Mr. Wilson's blog and see if there just might be
another side to this story.

1. New Saint Andrews own elders
discovered illegal gambling and opium where going on at "The Lounge" and
instead of handing the info over to the police, Doug Wilson just paid off
the casino out of church funds and "censored" those involved by excluding
them from membership for one year. The Ringleader turned out to be one of
the elder's own sons. All the info is available at dougsplotch.com

2.
Sorry for mis-speaking. Greg Price is the pastor. I am not sure what
ministerial status (if any), that Reg Barrows holds. I got them
confused.

G day Glenn. A sermon on Covenantor.org list Exodus 21:16 and I Timothy 1:7 against the practise of chattel. The slavery regulations in the bible are such that

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, Mar 20 1:38 AM

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G'day Glenn.

A sermon on Covenantor.org list Exodus 21:16 and I Timothy 1:7
against the practise of chattel. The slavery regulations in the
bible are such that a bankrupt person would learn fiscal
responsibility by laboring for seven years in his maister's house
and then be set free. If he wanted to remain as a servant, he would
be payed a wage after this time, and be branded with jewellery to
signify spending the rest of his life in his master's house. This
seems more like the role of a chamber maid or butler than the
outright ownership of kidnap victims and their descendents as
practised in ancient Rome and the Southron lands. The "rights"
conferred to master's over the chastity of slaves is also in plain
violation of the seventh commandment, as it revives concubinage and
polygamy, which, although lawful in the OT, are abolished in the NT.

You can check out McLeod's sermon at
www.covenantor.org/McLeod.negro.htm.