Earth: Turtledove WWII (Open)

Moorington

08-02-2006, 01:59

This RP is meant to be based off of Mr.Turtledove's series of books that involves a alien race called "The Race" which invades during WWII. In it the main powers suddenly find themselves on the defensive as The Race uses super-advanced equipment. At the moment The Race has just begun to advance from their landing points from "The Planes That Never Land".

This RP I cannot do alone and hope that it lasts a long while until maybe the colonization fleet arrives and maybe after that. That is another decision for another time. So everyone must find their respective troop deployments and a general idea of the popular opinion and landscape.

Here is the IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10400131#post10400131)

All across the world they fought, in some of the hardest and grueling fights that the world has ever seen.
This is World War II, the powers are so obsessed with destroying each other they are sadly, blind to threats outside of Earth.
That all changes when a alien race, self-dubbed The Race, lands on Earth with advanced equipment and troops.
They quickly display their hostile intentions and World War II comes to a stop.
The powers, once fighting each other to the death at Guadalcanal and Stalingrad, now have to join forces for the biggest fight in human history.
Now pick! Who will you be? The Vatican, walking a tight rope between arrest and ex-communication or other world powers?

March 13, 1938: The annexation of Austria, or Anschluss, is commenced with German troops entering Austria to restore order.
September 30, 1838: March 14, 1939: The annexation and later invasion of the Sudentland and Czechoslovakia.
April 7th, 1939: Italy invades Albania.
September 1st, 1939: In a stunning Blitzkrieg, or Lighting War, campaign Nazi Germany overwhelms and later divides Poland.
October 11th, 1939: Albert Einstein writes a letter the FDR concerning Atomic Energy.
March 18th, 1940: Mussolini and Hitler form the Axis.
April 9th, 1940: Demark is invaded with no cost to the German juggernaut and Norway falls after a brief allied attempt to re-enforce her.
June 5th, 1940: Germany, using Blitzkrieg tactics, invades and captures Paris in 10 days and the pro-German political state of Vichy is formed by June 22nd.
June 10th, 1940: FDR moves to support the Allies.
July 10th, 1940: Battle of Britain commences.
July 20t, 1940: Conges authorizes 4 billon for a "two seas" navy.
September 2, 1940: Roosevelt gives 50 destroyers for base privileges at British instillations.
March 11th, 1941: Lean-Lease Act is barely passed.
May 27, 1941: Greece and Yugoslavia fall to Germany.
June 22nd, 1941: Germany invades the Soviet Union in Operation Barborossa and massacres the depleted (in officers) Soviet Army.
June 25th, 1941: After the Japanese invade French Indo-China Franklin D. Roosevelt freezes Japan's assets in America and the halting of trade (and more importantly oil).
December 7th, 1941: The day that will live in infamy, after failed negotiations an Japanese shrike force launches a surprise attack against Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and other American/British instillations across the Pacific.
December 8th, 1941: FDR asks the Congress to declare war on Japan, it is passed in favor with only one (and only) congresswoman disagreeing, to obviously to get in the history books.
December 11th, 1941: Germany and Italy declare war on the US.
December 23rd, 1941: Wake Island falls to Japan.
December 25th, 1941: Hong Kong falls to the Japanese.
January 2nd 1942: Japan overruns the Philippines except for a small outpost on Corridor Island.
January 26th, 1942: American troops arrive in Ireland.
February 23rd, 1942: First attack on US soil when a Japanese submarine bombards a California oil refinery.
February 27th-March 1, 1942: The Japanese rout/destroy the combined British and American fleets at Java Sea.
April 9th, 1942: All troops in the Philippines surrender, over 75,000.
April 19th, 1942: Doolittle raid commences.
May 4th-8th, 1942: Battle of Coral Sea, where American carrier based planes forestall a Japanese invasion fleet destined for Port Moresby.
June 3rd-6th, 1942: Battle of Midway, US forces route the Japanese invasion force for Midway Island.
August 7th, 1942: In the first of a series of poorly thought out campaigns and even less supplied a force of marines lands in the Solomon Islands.
August 22nd, 1942: The beginning of the fight for Stalingrad, where upwards of a million Russians died to keep it from a German Army.
October 25th & 26th, 1942: The Battle of Vera Cruz where no ships are lost.
November 20th, 1942: Wehrmacht Command losses communication with German Forces around occupied Warsaw, command believes it for partisans cutting the communication lines.
November 21st, 1942: As the Battle of Britain continues, the Luftwaffe experience high losses from speed aircraft that scream and have shots that follow.
November 22nd, 1942: Winston Churchill receives a memo released by the Royal Air Force talking about the Lufwaffe’s latest bomber escort plane that has handily beaten all RAF forces.
November 23rd, 1942: The day which the threat is released to national news. In a un-precedent amount of cooperation and trust the Third Reich and Britain exchange thoughts and the final conclusion, aliens are attacking Earth.
November 28th, 1942: Race forces land at Bres, France and overwhelm the Vichy and German units stationed there. They also land Cairo, Wuhan, Mosul, and in Southern Canada.
December 1st, 1943: As Japan tries to hold onto it's sea ports on China's shore the US and Canadian units are mauled and forced o pull back to the US border. Cairo and Kiruck fall, a Jihad is launched against the Race. As all aircraft sent up get shot down, forces the Battle of Britain come to a screeching halt.
December 9th, 1943: The Race lands on Sicily while Rommel's Corp is asked to pull back to mainland Italy for the preparation of invasion. British and Commonwealth forces fall back, split in two, towards Baghdad on one side and Tripoli, with the Italian/German force, on the other. Russian/German troops fall back from Warsaw as Race armored divisions advance faster than German units the year before.

Example Nation; Player
Description
Arms

The Vatican-
The Vatican holds a tenuous position, hated by Mussolini but still has to abide by the majority's rule, has political cloud to announce a Holy War ass well other imaginative things.
A lot of political clout, can break most country’s economic backbone ad can declare a "Holy War" on the Race.

Kurds- Rilloras
A ethnic minority in Northern Iraq, always has a fighting streak and with the ethnic capital of Kiruck taken there is a potential for havoc.
500,000+ Armed fighting men, some British Regulars (defined by British player), and a few light tanks.

Osama (Fill in Blank)-
You are the leading Islam priest of the world, by any means you must kill the Race a every turn, to not let the people support someone else, and free the Middle East.
10,000 body guards, 100,000+ Jihadists, almost all lightly armed and trained, but a few medium and light tanks.

Nazi Germany*A - Jagada
After ruling Europe and a good piece of Africa the Race may yet snatch victory from your panzers. You, the unmatchable Third Reich must get world power and stave off the invasion, always watch out for greedy generals and backstabbing allies.
Mainly a 100,000,000 man core Wehrmacht with side divisions of Rumania's, Austrians, and occupied country's bits (about 200,000,000), with the (used to be) most advanced equipment on the face of the Earth and a elite army only slightly hampered by it's co-workers efforts.

Great Britain*-No Taxes*
After falling back for almost 2 years as the seemingly invincible German juggernaut overwhelms the world the British people are defiant but are at the end of their string. The Battle of Britain hasn't broken their backs but this may.
Mainly a naval force with the Commonwealth members coming up with the rest.

Commonwealth**-
Supporting her majesty and the PM are the biggest tasks facing you, you also have to balance the power of the people before they bite back at you, they are more closer to you than they are to GB.
Depends on which country.

Spain- Nebarri Prime
After a 10 year civil war Spain is now firmly Fascist, with good ties with Italy and ermany it has been relativly untouched by the Race or Allies.
100,000 Armed Men with good German made equipment.

The Race- Moorington
The amazingly advanced race which has kept the whole world on the defensive, it's males are weaker than humans but the advanced equipment makes up for it.
1,000,000,000 Males in assigned positions.

Soviet Union-Canadstein
The sole communist power in the world, his may mean the life or death of communism and as a result your death may not be he only one. You have millions of peasants that would happily give their lives for Mother Russia, so need to use them wisely. Graft is a problem but the new used to be friend and then enemy now friend Germans may not be as trustworthy as you think.
Millions of peasants and the best tanks in the world.

Chinese National Party-
Your Civil War is still fresh and the botched and depressing campaign against he Japanese even worse, try to save your image at the same time crush the Communist Party. A large Race invasion force has landed in the middle of our country, so beware.
850,000 Conscripts with US Made Weapons, same goes with tanks and a detachment of Mustangs (The Flying Tigers).

Chinese Communist Party-
With support from the Soviet Union and the heavily bombarded national party may yet prove the capitalist's wrong opinion of communism.
350,000 Volunteers and assorted irregulars, captured ad hoc equipment.

The United States of America- Llamatopiaca
Elections are in the bag and the "arsenal of democracy" has made the economy boom. Race forces outside the border seem far away as they surely cannot match the US military forces, but maybe we should scale back other forces?
1,000,000 Army (with many more avaliable), Sherman Tanks, and a group of highly trained Jewish scientists.

Italy- Haneastic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10387967#post10387967)
Under Fascist rule and a few German supported campaigns has boosted the Italians self pride to new limits. That has obviously come at some cost, the Gestapo works in Italy’s borders just as well in Germany's.
275,000 man army with an elite German panzer division, sadly little relevant equipment outside the German support.

Japan/Nippon- Abream (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412833#post10412833)
With honor and military becoming more and more part of the Japanese life with generals becoming more powerful than civilian electives. In the recent yours Japan has overun most of the Pacific Islands and beaten almost all forces that have attacked her.
A fanatical, crack force of at least 1,000,000 men and a 75,000 man navy with only light tanks but excellent ships and planes.

Canada- No Taxes
With good relations with America and Race landing points inside the country there is serious pressure to do something. Your far left party makes it somewhat hard to have any real powers but the military is behind you.
20,000 Mountain Troops, 1,500 Sherman (American Built) Tanks, and a small air arm.

This list is in a everlasting continuation, so please if your country that you wanted isn't here, feel free to ask for me to put it up and to have it.

so basically just pick a nation? In that case I'll take Italy. Do you want us to get any additional information about our nation?

Canadstein

08-02-2006, 02:14

I will take the Soviet Union and why do you have the words Turtledove in your name of the thread?

Nebarri_Prime

08-02-2006, 02:14

This list is in a everlasting continuation, so please if your country that you wanted isn't here, feel free to ask for me to put it up and to have it.

i would like Spain...

Haneastic

08-02-2006, 02:16

Turtledove wrote the World War series were an alien group called "the race" invades during WW2

Canadstein

08-02-2006, 02:20

Now I understand. I'm reading his Southern Victory books.

Nebarri_Prime

08-02-2006, 02:22

I will take the Soviet Union and why do you have the words Turtledove in your name of the thread?

this has nothing to do with this RP but i cant seem to find you any other place.

are you still going to RP in Shroud of Darkness: Unmasked? Bly and Kenobi can't just sit around forever...

Moorington

08-02-2006, 02:23

so basically just pick a nation? In that case I'll take Italy. Do you want us to get any additional information about our nation?

Yes I would, I only did general searches. So please, bear with me and find the items, also for it to be official please post your news thread.

i would like Spain...

News Thread but don't worry, not a lot of competition.....

Now I understand. I'm reading his Southern Victory books.

Yes I have two and think they are the best.

Moorington

08-02-2006, 02:31

this has nothing to do with this RP but i cant seem to find you any other place.

are you still going to RP in Shroud of Darkness: Unmasked? Bly and Kenobi can't just sit around forever...

Umm, yeah, you guys on Bespin?

Canadstein

08-02-2006, 02:33

I own all of the Great War books, How Few Remain the first book, and the first book of American Empire.

Voxio

08-02-2006, 02:49

Dang, the two Fascist powers are taken [Italy and Spain]. Well, if either of them drop out I'd like to take over for them.

Also, when/if Italy splits into two countries like it did in real life I'd like to take over one half of it [Preferably Salo].

I'm not sure yet if I'd like another nation right now though.

Haneastic

08-02-2006, 03:15

I'm confused when did Italy break into 2 parts? Also, you're missing the two bigger facist nations, Germany and Japan

Nebarri_Prime

08-02-2006, 03:20

I'm confused when did Italy break into 2 parts? Also, you're missing the two bigger facist nations, Germany and Japan

he has Germany on the list, look again...

Voxio

08-02-2006, 05:40

I'm confused when did Italy break into 2 parts? Also, you're missing the two bigger facist nations, Germany and Japan
Actually, the timeline did not state it, but since we are starting in December of 1943 the split between the North and South has already happened...so...

I would like to claim the Italian Social Republic a.k.a. the Republic of Salò
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic

[Germany was Nazi, not Fascist. Fairly similar government structure, but Nazism is based on race and Fascism upon Nation. I don't have it in me to play a Nazi nation.

Japan was militaristic, not Fascist.]

Jagada

08-02-2006, 05:50

Er, I probably won't like (due to non-racists views). But sign me up for Nazi Germany. Let the Race feel the Germanic War Machine in its prime!

Moorington

08-02-2006, 16:36

I'm confused when did Italy break into 2 parts? Also, you're missing the two bigger facist nations, Germany and Japan

Dang, the two Fascist powers are taken [Italy and Spain]. Well, if either of them drop out I'd like to take over for them.

Also, when/if Italy splits into two countries like it did in real life I'd like to take over one half of it [Preferably Salo].

Actually, the timeline did not state it, but since we are starting in December of 1943 the split between the North and South has already happened...so...

I know what you refer to, as the Allies overan almost half of Italy the people of Italy declared themselves independent and arrested Mussolini. German SS get him out and he revives his country for the northern half as the southern is protected by the Allies and "independent" (or "dependent" on the Allies").
I thought that it happened in 1944, not late 1943.

Voxio

08-02-2006, 20:21

I thought that it happened in 1944, not late 1943.
Every website or book I've read on the subject says Sep 23, 1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic
http://www.comandosupremo.com/RSI.html
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Italy.htm#Italian%20Social

Oh and there's a typo on your main page. Italy could not have pulled off an army of 50 million.:rolleyes:

Haneastic

09-02-2006, 00:18

yea their population was around 45,000,000 at the time. Also, the inavasion of Sicily began in 1943, the real collapse and invasion of mainland didn't really occur until 1944, and the Race invaded Sicily first, but I assume we're playing with a unified Italy. Also, I don't think the Race soldiers numbered 1 billion, maybe like 100 million, but they were stretched thin

Moorington

09-02-2006, 02:01

yea their population was around 45,000,000 at the time. Also, the inavasion of Sicily began in 1943, the real collapse and invasion of mainland didn't really occur until 1944, and the Race invaded Sicily first, but I assume we're playing with a unified Italy. Also, I don't think the Race soldiers numbered 1 billion, maybe like 100 million, but they were stretched thin

Well 1 billion for the whole planet is still very thin, 100 million will occupy... A continent. Anyhow like Haneatic pointed out the breaking away of Sicily happened in 1944, the arguement has seemingly gotten muddled. Escuse me for the error, I was a little to 0 happy. So Voxio, would you like to be a player? I think you would like as Italy, if it does break away I will put you up. Until then would you like to be fascist party in another country? Maybe in the Middle East, it is releativly un-stable.

So Voxio, would you like to be a player? I think you would like as Italy, if it does break away I will put you up. Until then would you like to be fascist party in another country?
Parhaps the British as I may be able to use the Race as a means to increase Nationalism and the popularity of the British Union of Fascists. Shouldn't be a big deal since I can already see a basis for historical inaccuracy.

Plus, if I have to choose another nation...best to choose a strong one.

When will the actual roleplaying begin?

Armandian Cheese

09-02-2006, 08:46

So you're a Turtledove fan, Moorington? You have good taste. Have you read his "alternate heroes" collection?

Moorington

09-02-2006, 20:46

Parhaps the British as I may be able to use the Race as a means to increase Nationalism and the popularity of the British Union of Fascists. Shouldn't be a big deal since I can already see a basis for historical inaccuracy.

Plus, if I have to choose another nation...best to choose a strong one.

When will the actual roleplaying begin?

Okay Britain, the little goverment policies I will leave up to you. The actual roleplaying will commence when we have one or two more nations and more nations officialy known (we currently have one).

So you're a Turtledove fan, Moorington? You have good taste. Have you read his "alternate heroes" collection?

Yeah, I have two fo the WWII but sadly my investor (my parents) have cut off funds directed towards books. But anyhow I have not yet had the pleasure of reading the alt. hero books. I would like to get some of the Southern Victory books after I get all of the Race books.

Skinny87

09-02-2006, 21:45

Finally, another Turtledove fan. How long I've awaited this. Read all the Race books about a year ago - brilliant books. I'm about to read Homeward Bound, the conclusion of the entire series, although its got lukewarm views. Oh, if you like the Southern Victory series, then take my advice - stop reading after the fourth book of the Great War Tetraology. Believe me, it only gets worse from there - his WWII Southern-Northern trilogy is appalling writing. Read Guns of the South instead, a far superior book.

I would join, but essays are stopping me. Still, I'll keep an eye open as to how it progresses. Don't forget that the Race lands in the US extremely quickly - and the Colonisation Fleet will eventually get there, so the Race can't use more than a few nukes.

Rilloras

09-02-2006, 21:50

OOC:

would like to RP as the Kurds for this board. Thanks.

P.S. I have read several of Turtledove's books about the alternate WW2 and I love them, thanks for finally doing a board for it!

Haneastic

09-02-2006, 22:08

The Homeward Bound ending was lame, but I kind of liked the WW2 North-South series so far although it's predictable

Italy's army seems a tad small at only 75,000 men. There were 200,000 at Stalingrad and another 275,000 that were in Africa in 1943, as well as troops garrisoned in Italy, Albania, and Greece. Either way, when the game starts, so does the draft
sorry if it seems like I'm whining, I just don't want it to seem unfair either way

link to the blackshirts (equivalent to SS troops) strength
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts#World_War_Two

Rilloras

10-02-2006, 03:52

When does the game start anyways? Does anyone know?

Llamatopiaca

10-02-2006, 03:53

I would like to be the US!

Thanks!

Rilloras

10-02-2006, 19:32

bump

Moorington

10-02-2006, 20:44

When does the game start anyways? Does anyone know?

I'll post the link now, and I will be the Race.

bump

Oh! Good job I forgot about bumping.

I would like to be the US

I do not mean to be offensive but you seem to be new to this game and most people would not let you become one of the strongest nations but everybody has to start somewhere, right?

Moorington

11-02-2006, 01:22

The IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10400131#post10400131)is up, sadly I have no idea what to put in the beggining post. Do you guys have any ideas?

Haneastic

12-02-2006, 04:53

just put you opening moves i guess, unless you want us to start

Abream

12-02-2006, 06:05

Is Japan taken? If not, could I RP it? Due to some other (shudder) claims battles I have partaken in, count this as an official inquiry.:)

Moorington

12-02-2006, 17:43

just put you opening moves i guess, unless you want us to start

Yes, pretty much, I will send some telegrams out for them to know this is still active.

Is Japan taken? If not, could I RP it? Due to some other (shudder) claims battles I have partaken in, count this as an official inquiry.

Yes you can, (AMW can be a dog can't it).

No Taxes

12-02-2006, 21:49

could i be canada?

Abream

13-02-2006, 00:56

Aha! After seconds of hard work, uh, I mean, hours of hard work, ;) , I have come up with Nippon's diplomatic claim thread!
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412833#post10412833

Moorington

13-02-2006, 01:37

Aha! After seconds of hard work, uh, I mean, hours of hard work, ;) , I have come up with Nippon's diplomatic claim thread!
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412833#post10412833

could i be canada?

Yes, but you need to either RP in the IC Thread or get a news thread for it to be "offical".

Voxio

13-02-2006, 02:48

I'm afraid I'm going to have to quit as Britain. I've become somewhat more busy and there's no way I can RP such a powerful nation well.

Gusitania

13-02-2006, 03:07

Ive read most of Turtledoves works...any chance I could play some made up faction with little strength (say an Australian Resistance Movement, since Australia gets cooked almost in the first week, then gives up)...or maybe a small underground Ginger smuggling group? (while someone teaches me the ropes?) If not, cool. If ok, let me know, thanks

No Taxes

13-02-2006, 03:14

Unless someone steps in to be Britain soon and if it's okay with everyone else, i could take over as Britain and Canada for a while, seeing as Canada had been under Britain's rule. Then if someone else wanted to play as Britain i could go back to just being Canada.

Moorington

13-02-2006, 23:01

I'm afraid I'm going to have to quit as Britain. I've become somewhat more busy and there's no way I can RP such a powerful nation well.

That is to bad, if you ever feel like you want to come back just ask.

Unless someone steps in to be Britain soon and if it's okay with everyone else, i could take over as Britain and Canada for a while, seeing as Canada had been under Britain's rule. Then if someone else wanted to play as Britain i could go back to just being Canada.

That sounds fine, totally okay.

Ive read most of Turtledoves works...any chance I could play some made up faction with little strength (say an Australian Resistance Movement, since Australia gets cooked almost in the first week, then gives up)...or maybe a small underground Ginger smuggling group? (while someone teaches me the ropes?) If not, cool. If ok, let me know, thanks

Either China's nationlist or communist party could be what you are looking for. The ginger smuggler operation sounds like a sweet deal. So everything is open to be picked, and it's good to see another Turtledove reader.

Moorington

19-02-2006, 18:02

Bump, any nation not undrlined is open,

Nebarri_Prime

19-02-2006, 18:33

heh, sorry forgot about this. (and lost intrest...) so you can free up Spain if you wish

Moorington

19-02-2006, 18:41

Well at least your honest, anyone out there? Anyone at all? Well bump for now....

Abream

26-02-2006, 16:58

Riiight. Well, here I am! Sorry for the delay. I still would like to play Nippon, and despite the delay, I think I have the time for it.:)

Moorington

28-02-2006, 22:56

Bump!

Franberry

28-02-2006, 23:11

Can I still sign up?? or is it too late?
I will either be Great Britain (Can I, cuz it says No Taxes is temporary) or the Commonwealth(I assume thats Australia, NZ, India, Colonies in the Middle East, Colonies in Africa)

Moorington

09-03-2006, 18:22

Can I still sign up?? or is it too late?
I will either be Great Britain (Can I, cuz it says No Taxes is temporary) or the Commonwealth(I assume thats Australia, NZ, India, Colonies in the Middle East, Colonies in Africa)

You can pick any and all Commonwealth members, and you can have Great Britian if No Taxes doesn't show. Also sorry for the lag time, I had a lot to do in the region.