knicksnation1 wrote:Gasol is a better fit next to Tyson and Melo. We're gonna give the Heat A LOT OF trouble by adding him and the Lakers are not a true champ contender, from what I see,without Gasol. I'm not worried if Amare's beasting on the offensive end or not once he's returned, at the end of the day it's all about the Knicks winning bball games as a team.But if that means we have to lose Shump or Novak in the trade that's a BIG HELL NO. I dont want to see the Knicks getting robbed by the Lakers.

Knicks wouldn't get fleeced, if anything Lakers would be the ones giving up assets. Knicks are doing fine right now, it's the Lakers that are in big trouble.

Sark wrote:ITT: people still think Gasol has something left in the tank.

its fine to think that, but to say that and praise amare who's been putrid for a year.. is just ridiculous.

this the problem with amare, the fanbase and the players make excuses for him. he needs to put up, shut up, and sacrifice for the team. that means play one iota of defense and don't be an absolute embarassment on that end.

blackbishop wrote:Amare is kinda the reason the knicks are turning it around. He made the knicks a desirable place to play and he deserves a chance to be part of it.

People seem to forget that after february, he was close to his old self. He was shooting something like 56% the last two months of the season and when he and melo and chandler played under woodson, they were like 9-2. Yeah, he got hurt in preseason but he has worked hard and from all reports looks pretty good.

I would rather go with the devil we know then the one we do not know.

There is a possible distinction between him putting up good offensive numbers and the team being better as a whole.

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That applies to everyone...Gasol as well...with possible bad knees and small man parts. So it's kinda pointless to bring up.

DRoberstonNYY wrote:its fine to think that, but to say that and praise amare who's been putrid for a year.. is just ridiculous.

this the problem with amare, the fanbase and the players make excuses for him.

I have no particular love for Stoudemire, but you're being hyperbolic.

He played well most of March. In fact, statistically speaking, he had arguably his best all-around month as a Knick. His .563 shooting % was his Knick high water mark (by a good margin, btw), as was his 12.2 (per 48) rebound rate.

His TOs (per 48) were a Knick monthly low of 2.4 (he was generally in the 4's his first year).

His assist rate was down, as was his blocks and steals, which may speak to his defense, but again, statistically speaking, overall he was as good in scoring, rebounding, protecting the ball and going to the line his last full month as a Knick as he'd ever been as a Knick.

Doesn't excuse the RELATIVELY poor play prior to that, but when you factor in the back issue, the lock-out, the well documented personal issues, that he ended strong (as strongly as ever) does offer good reason to consider he may not be "putrid" this year, if healthy.

blackbishop wrote:Amare is kinda the reason the knicks are turning it around. He made the knicks a desirable place to play and he deserves a chance to be part of it.

People seem to forget that after february, he was close to his old self. He was shooting something like 56% the last two months of the season and when he and melo and chandler played under woodson, they were like 9-2. Yeah, he got hurt in preseason but he has worked hard and from all reports looks pretty good.

I would rather go with the devil we know then the one we do not know.

There is a possible distinction between him putting up good offensive numbers and the team being better as a whole.

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As I also pointed out, the knicks with amare, melo and chandler were 9-2 under woodson. Everything else was under dantoni and as he is showing in LA, maybe the problem was his coaching and not the players.

At this point, though Pau might or might not be the better fit in NY, amare is HERE and he got this turnaround started by playing the way he was playing to start 2010. If the knicks sucked when he got here, melo would be a net. For that alone, I want amare to prove people wrong and his one game in preseason has me thinking he can definitely help by:

1) being another inside player whether facing up or trying to post. Shoot woodson had him starting closer to the basket last year and it helped alot. Even with one post move or none, being closer to the basket means less offensive fouls since it will be harder for the help to make it in time.

2) it looked like his midrange shot was much better, he was shooting it effortlessly and wasnt aiming the shot.

3) he was at least trying on defense with woodson and that is all it pretty much takes, look at novak.

I dont understand the hostility towards Amare. I think people are still frustrated with that incident in Miami. Its similar to those bashing the Knicks this summer for talking championship and responding like little girls by saying "Win a playiff series first."

STATs best game was game 1 2011 in Boston. Game 2 he hurt his back took 6 months off from basketball and went right into the NBA season with no training cam and a condensed schedule. It took him until March to get back and he was getting better. During that 18-6 run he was part of 8 wins and two losses.

Yes. Would eat duhons deal in exchange of them taking on the extra year of amare. He's a better fit with this years team and is more valuable as an expiring contract in the offseason. And amare is a better fit with the lakers.

I wanna see what a healthy Amare looks like first...I also wanna know what's going on with Pau bc he looked really weak and I don't want to dump Amare for a half assed Pau...I think Amare still has something left in the tank.

Sark wrote:No other team in the NBA wants Amare. He's pretty much done. Why should anybody take him off the Knicks hands?

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You think you're so clever. If I recall correctly, you haven't been too accurate in any of your predictions this year. Yet you still think you know it all. You're just another smart-ass fan.. except more of an ass than you are smart.

Amar'e will come back strong. Hell no, I wouldn't trade him for Pau Gasol.

CoolKids wrote:Paus a better fit tbh. Better rebounder defender and passer and I have more faith in his mid range game. Amare was automatic 2 years ago but last year was dreadful from that 14-18 ft range . I'd do it but I still have faith in STAT

Stat's mid range jumper was damn near automatic in that one game he played in the preseason this year lol