WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence attended the traditional National Prayer Service at the Washington National Cathedral on Saturday, which featured representatives from various religions, including Islam, Sikhism and Buddhism.

The gathering featured a variety of music and speakers, with prayers in the name of Jesus and songs such as “How Great Thou Art” by Marlana VanHoose and “We’ve Come This Far By Faith” by Liberty University Praise interspersed with prayers and readings from a rabbi, an imam, a Hindu priest and others.

The event was opened by Mariann Edgar Budde, the female bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington.

“As we mark this moment of political transition, let us all draw strength and courage from the sacred texts and songs … from the many traditions of our land,” Budde declared.

A Navajo blessing was presented by Carlyle Begay, followed later by Todd Christopherson of the Mormon Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who read from the Book of Common Prayer, as was done during a prayer service for George Washington in 1783.

“Fill them with the love and truth of righteousness, and make them ever mindful of their calling to serve this people, in thy fear through Jesus Christ our Lord who lives and reigns with Thee, one God, world without end,” Christopherson recited.

Also in the first half of the service, Narayanachar Digalakota from the Sri Siva Vishnu Temple in Lanham, Maryland presented an invocation on behalf of the Hindu religion, speaking in Sanskrit.

Sajid Tarar, the founder of Muslims for Trump, who delivered an Islamic prayer at the Republican National Convention in July, read from the Koran in Arabic, and Imam Mohamed Magid, executive director of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society, presented a reading as well.

“O mankind, indeed we have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you,” Magid recited.

Later in the event, Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship and the Harvest Crusades presented a prayer asking that the Armed Forces have divine protection, that diplomats would be “ambassadors of hope,” and that local governments would have the “spirit of wisdom and love, and justice and compassion.”

He was followed by Jack Graham of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, who implored God to protect and give courage to the nation’s first responders and police officers “that they may serve You and their neighbor.”

David Jeremiah of Shadow Mountain Community Church also provided a reading from Romans, and Ronnie Floyd, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, read from Psalm 23.

The men were followed by Jesse Singh, founder of American Sikhs for Trump, who offered a prayer first delivered by Guru Gobind Singh, who is considered the 10th Sikh master.

The event concluded with a recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, led by Ramiro Pena of Christ the King Baptist Church in Waco, Texas.

Others who spoke at the service included Ian McIlraith of the Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai International; Alveda King, the niece of the late Martin Luther King Jr.; Geron Demetrios of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America; Donald Wuerl, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Washington, D.C.; and Cissie Graham Lynch, the granddaughter of Billy Graham.

As previously reported, services at the Washington National Cathedral following inaugural ceremonies have been a long-held American tradition, spanning more than 100 years. Barack Obama and Joe Biden likewise attended ceremonies at the cathedral featuring a number of world religions following the 2009 and 2013 inaugurations.

In 2013, the Episcopalian Cathedral announced that it would begin hosting same-sex ceremonies.

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HpO

Pro-Trump or not, God’s elect should have no business there partaking this non-Christ-centered fellowship. Then again, know why that’s A-OK for an Evangelical clergy guy like Jack Graham? Because in his worldly mind one & all fellow Americans – be they my atheistic or agnostic or Hindu friends – “remain ‘One Nation Under God’ (who) as a people lean upon the same faith in God that has given us purpose and strength for over two-and-a-half centuries.” (Jack Graham, Prestonwood Baptist Church, January 2017)

Joshua 1:9

I do not trust a single person in that entire room.

HpO

Not even such Evangelical celebs as “Liberty University Praise … Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship and the Harvest Crusades … Jack Graham of Prestonwood Baptist Church … David Jeremiah of Shadow Mountain Community Church … Ronnie Floyd, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention … Ramiro Pena of Christ the King Baptist Church … Cissie Graham Lynch”? Seriously, why can’t you “trust a single person in that” Evangelical cirque du soleil?

Joshua 1:9

Not after seeing them attend this meeting.

RealityBites

In other words the fact that all faiths in this diverse nation are recognized just makes you upset because why?

HpO

You’re missing the point of the argument going on here, RealityBites.

(1) You invoke the “First Amendment: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion OR prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof. … We have the freedom to practice any religion we choose in this nation or none of them. That is what makes this country great … Thankfully we live in a nation where true religious freedom is valued, no matter what a person’s faith. …” So, yes, whatever happened yesterday at Washington National Cathedral did, in fact, uphold the First Amendment – to your utmost delight. And so too whatever the Evangelicals did do there – even though they disobeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ – (and now you must get this) to the utmost dismay and heartache of fellow believers here online. That’s what they’re expressing – not as you’re now falsely accusing them of, by saying, “I guess true religious freedom bothers some people … that all faiths in this diverse nation are recognized just makes (them) upset”. No, RealityBites, trust me, they aren’t. Not about “First Amendment” at all, but only and totally about “Metastasizing Sin within the Body of Christ in Broad Daylight and in Plain Sight”! If you don’t know the difference, the spiritual problem is really yours, not these fellow believers’.

(2) Your note of appreciation is duly noted: “Nice to know President Trump respects the (religious) diversity of this nation … the freedom to practice any religion we choose in this nation or none of them … makes this country great and it is nice to see President Trump recognize that … Thankfully our new President recognizes religious freedom for all …. Thankfully our new President recognizes religious freedom for all … Glad we have a President who recognizes all faiths in this (religiously) diverse nation …” This is an easy one; even you should’ve known better. Noone’s pro-Killary around. We’re all so very happy she lost big time. And so about Trump’s stance on the First Amendment? Well, good for him and may he keep it up. Anyhow, he’s no Evangelical and so what. Strictly politically speaking, you understand.

RealityBites

So true religious freedom bothers you after all. You recognize the First Amendment but then say it goes against one particular religion when it is exercised. Hmmmm could it be that you don’t understand after all?

HpO

I get your point now, RealityBites. What you’ve been trying to enlighten us all with is this brilliant wisdom of yours: The First Amendment entitles and protects American Evangelicals to backslide and apostasize to hell. Wow, good one! And so, next, you want fellow believers to, you know, just let them. Because – and this is your best legal mind at work talking here – so long as they’re upholding the US Constitution and being lawfully abiding American Evangelicals, hey, it’s A-OK that they backslide and apostasize to hell – who cares? You’re so wise, RealityBites. By the way, what is your religion and what does your best legal mind tell you to do upon seeing your fellow religionists corrupting that religion? Oh, I know, I know. You tell them, go for it; the First Amendment has it covered. And this is why – let me guess – you end up, and still are, a die-hard atheist. Good luck with that, my friend.

RealityBites

You could not be more wrong but since you hate the freedom guaranteed in the First Amendment my guess is that you would love to live in a theocracy where the government caters to you. I am far from an atheist unless those who understand the Constitution are that in your eyes.

1luisa

Hi Reality Bites. Folks are upset that Evangelicals prayed together with unbelievers as they prayed to gods that don’t exist. The bible forbids that. The scriptures does not forbid us from interacting with them. Ancient Rome misunderstood when Believers did not partake in Emperor worship. They were seen as unpatriotic and traitors. We are commanded to love pur neigbors and obey civil government. The Roman Believers obeyed, just not Emperor worship. They paid for it with their lives. That is the contention. Joining in an ecumenical prayer by Evangelicals. Have an awesome day and may you be found in Him on the great day.

RealityBites

So yeah people are upset at true religious freedom being exercised in this diverse nation of ours. Color me not surprised

Darryl Zufelt

Amen

HpO

And you what else, Darryl, tears me about these particular fellow believers? It’s that they’ve all been whoring after the gods of the Christian Right for so long (since Richard Nixon & Billy Graham’s electoral campaigns in the southern states in the early 1950s?) that even this historical truth either has escaped them or has them exploiting it like a gold mine, that:

“The phrase ‘under God’ … incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance on June 14, 1954 … (1) violates … the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment … (2) (is) an unconstitutional endorsement of monotheism … (3) (uses) words (that are) of a ‘ceremonial and patriotic nature’ … (and) represent(s) a patriotic, not a religious, exercise” (Wikipedia, last edited 13 December 2016); (4) “was promoted in the 1930s and ’40s when industrialists and business lobbies, chafing against the government regulations of the New Deal, recruited and funded conservative clergy to preach faith, freedom and free enterprise” (NPR, March 30, 2015); and (5) “was connected to a desire to denigrate most of these people (‘agnostics, atheists, Reform Jewish Spinozists, Deists, Unitarians, and others’), as fellow travelers with ‘atheistic communism'” (University of Chicago Law School, The Record, Alumni Magazine, Fall 2008)

Trilemma

Mr. Trump is the President of the United States, a country of many faiths and great diversity. Let’s hope he doesn’t start favoring one faith over the others and certain people over the others.

Joshua 1:9

By attending this meeting he has already decided to fly in the face of God and the Bible. Then again, that is not surprising at all.

Trilemma

How does simply attending this service fly in the face of God and the Bible. The bible says Christians are to be in the world.

RealityBites

I guess true religious freedom bothers some people

Joshua 1:9

Just because God gave freewill (including freedom of religion) to everyone does not mean that we are all to accept and agree with everyone’s decision. He gave freewill, which also allows everyone to sin (which includes stealing, lying, profanity, rape, murder, brutally slaughtering unborn babies, homosexuality, etc.), but again, that does not mean we have to accept or agree with everyone’s choices. So, to say that true religious freedom bothers some people … yes. And although God had originally given that freedom, many of the choices people have made throughout history have bothered Him as well. Good thing for Him is Judgement Day is quickly approaching. Judgement Day for God is kind of like Christmas morning for a little kid. He won’t get everything He wanted, but when it is all said and done there will be no tears.

RealityBites

WOW now you’re comparing religious freedom with sin? I really have to wonder what is wrong with people who object to one of the most basic freedoms we Americans enjoy.

Puppy

The bible says Christians are to be in the world? No it doesn’t Sister,because, Jesus stood out in the World when the Jews tried to crown him KING on earth he hid away from them John 6:15. As Christians we are to stand out for Christ and not blend in with the World. Too many Christians want to fit in with the World when we’re suppose to be different..Paul said we’re aliens and strangers in the world.

Puppy

As Christians, Jesus makes it very clear to stand out in the world Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord Romans 12:2 and John 15:19. I’m not sure where you got those comments from as it does not agree with Scripture on GOD’s word, as Christians it’s time that we begin to stand up for Christ and start setting examples, live a uncompromising life, or else. No one will ever know we are Children of God if we start walking around trying to fit in with the world.Christians are called to STAND OUT!

Trilemma

As you said, “As Christians, Jesus makes it very clear to stand out in the world.”

Puppy

Jesus asks that we not be included in Satan’s world

Puppy

The Bible makes it clear Christians are suppose to STAND OUT and not FIT IN with the World, did you mean something else?

Trilemma

Being in the world doesn’t mean to fit in with the world. Fitting in is being of the world.

Puppy

We are to be in the world but not of it— to be separated internally, not externally

Puppy

You said Christians are to be in the world that is error, To be IN the World but not OF the world that is a big difference.

Joshua 1:9

That would be inaccurate. When talking about Scripture, it is wise to mention the whole point, not just part of it. The pass to which you are referring tells us that Christians are to be in the world and not OF the world. When these self-proclaimed evangelical Christian pastors intently grouped themselves together in worship with Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Muslims and other non-Christian leaders they showed their true colors. When Trump and Pence made the mistake of attending this meeting they also showed their true colors. This alone showed me that the next 4 years may not be so fortunate for Christians as many seem to believe. I believe that God was training Christians for the last 8 years so that we may get used to wearing the Armor of God for the next 4 years (should Jesus not return before the end of this term).

Trilemma

Likewise, Jesus showed his true colors when He was seen dining with tax collectors, prostitutes, sinners, idolators, and other non-Jews.

Joshua 1:9

I knew that someone was going to bite on that line. True, He did do that. And He also expects us to do the same. However, it is good to study the Bible in it’s entirety because then you are able to find more truth. He warns us not to worship with those of other religions and beliefs. Nowhere does Jesus ever say that we are to embrace the beliefs of others. Nowhere does Jesus say to worship with those of other faiths. There is a huge difference between joining with heathens to worship their gods with them, and dining with them. The UK has similar meetings as this. It is all in the name of “unity”. Bringing all religions under the same banner. The pope has been very open about this. His predecessor has also been very open about this. Several self-proclaimed evangelicals have been open about this. Muslim Imams have started to become open to this. Some leaders of certain pagan faiths have become open to this. This meeting was not about loving each other.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

He dined with them for the express purpose of teaching them about God’s kingdom and to repent and believe in Him. He exposed their sin and gave them the words of life. He in no way was complicit in their sin.

Trilemma

How was President Trump complicit in their sin?

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

He participated in a heathen service. 2 Cor 6:14. “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”

Trilemma

As President of the United States, Mr. Trump must be equally yoked to every citizen in America in order to fulfill his oath of office. It’s his job to defend the rights of every citizen equally.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

So you’re telling the man that he must deny his God-given right to worship as he sees fit? Now your own logic is working against you, I see.

Trilemma

No, the man has a Constitutionally protected right to worship as he sees fit except when he’s acting in his capacity as President. A school teacher has the Constitutional right to worship as the teacher pleases. But when the teacher appears in the classroom in the teacher’s official capacity as a school teacher then the teacher can’t.

Darryl Zufelt

A man of Christian Faith has to favor the Christian Faith, for other religions do not tolerate other religions, If we favored other religions that would bring Gods anger on us.

Michael C

Our government has never favored any one religion.

Trilemma

If by government you mean the Constitution, then I agree. But historically, people in government positions have favored Christian beliefs over other beliefs.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

That’s true. But see my comment below. Personally, I’d be more interested in hearing Pence’s take on today’s events and why he chose to attend than Trump’s. Trump doesn’t have any place to speak from. I think Pence does.

Btw, Michael C’s comment below is a lie. He said the same to my comment and I listed the evidence to expose his life in my reply.

Trilemma

In attending this service, Mr. Trump was acting in his official capacity as POTUS. And as POTUS, Mr. Trump must not appear to favor the Christian faith over the other faiths of Americans.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Wrong. If he proclaims to be a Christian then he must practice the Christian faith — remember? Freedom of religion. It goes both ways, you know.

Trilemma

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom of behavior. Mr. Trump cannot practice his faith in a way that violates the Constitution or other federal laws.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Try to keep it in context here. How would him choosing not to participate in an ecumenical “church” service and choose rather to go to a true historical, orthodox Christian church violate the constitution? It doesn’t. Please also note that he just took advantage of his office and stopped the Federal funding of abortion in other nations. Some would say he’s showing favoritism, others like myself say he is showing wisdom. So you see, your arguments tend to veer toward the idea that there is no such thing as truth; that it is arbitrary. Remember the words of Pilate in speaking to Jesus, “What is truth?” He obviously didn’t know.

Trilemma

The context is an inaugural prayer service that I see as an official Presidential function. He attended this service in his official capacity as President of the United States and therefore represented the government. So if he was going to allow Christians to have access to him at this service then he needed to allow other faiths to have access to him as well. To deny some faiths the right to be at an official government function while allowing others is unconstitutional.

President Trump stopped the federal funding of abortion in other nations because that’s what Republicans do. There are Christians on both sides of the issue as well as atheists so it’s not just a religious issue.

“What is truth?” is one of my favorite quotes from the Bible. If you study epistemology you’ll see it’s not an easy question to answer.

Puppy

Don’t worry about, Mr. Trump is the President of the United States he’s not gonna favor one faith over the other, he has something else special in mind with the example being Muslim. .a Buddhist. .a Catholic, he’s gonna merge all the faiths together for Satan’s(ONE-WORLD RELIGION)To TELL A Lie that we all worship the Same God

RealityBites

Glad we have a President who recognizes all faiths in this diverse nation

Puppy

Trump is just doing the same thing as Obama, Pope Francis
and other World Leaders want a One-World Religion and GOVT that is merge into onem this will all be set up for the Antichrist who will have his own Church in the end times. What you just saw goes against God’s own commands

RealityBites

Yeah Rome will be an end time threat we know that. Interesting that the First Amendment flies in the face of God’s own commands according to you. The first four commandments cannot be legislated anyway since they are between a person and God, no one else

Puppy

The First Amendment started off with good intentions, but Satan sees it as a sign of weakness, that will allow us to be deceived. The one world religion will start off as a belief that all religions lead to God, but after the Antichrist receives a fatal head wound and is revived 3 days later by the false prophet, it’s going to become the worship of the Beast (Antichrist)

You can be sure Satan knows all about the First Amendment will used it against us within time, a Christian man must not accept other religions as it brings God’s anger against us.

RealityBites

Hmmm so Satan is the reason we are a diverse nation? WOW that’s a stretch and a half! Actually if you read Daniel, the anti christ is already here and has been here for centuries. Its called Rome. I highly doubt a religiously diverse nation like the US is gonna be under any threat because we accept the freedom and diversity that has made us the greatest nation on the planet

Joshua 1:9

If you read Genesis chapter 11 it speaks of how God separated the people and “confused their language” so they could not understand each other. They all split off and discovered new lands and started their own cultures. Then they started to come back together.

Puppy

Amen 🙂

RealityBites

Had nothing to do with religious freedom but people trying to build a tower to heaven.

Puppy

No, I only said Satan will use the first amendment against us, because it’s so much different now compared to when the founding fathers” wrote the first amendment about freedom of religion. They were describing religion as Christian. Jewish, Catholic etc.. Maybe I should have made myself clearer? They did not see Satan worshiping or similar beliefs as a ”religion” but rather a cult.

The amendment was written for them and only suppose to be about,Christian, Jewish, Catholic,all the other religions were a cult and they did not want their citizens to embrace other religions being that they saw them as a cult.. if they would have known how it would have been taken.. I am sure it would have been better defined

Accepting other religions goes against GOD’s own commands the Founding fathers never wanted that as it would bring God’s anger onto the nation 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

RealityBites

Freedom of religion means ALL religions receive equal billing no matter how much it bothers you

Puppy

Not according to the founding fathers they saw other religions as a CULT,why can’t you accept this? Freedom of religion was only meant for Christians,Jewish Catholics all others were not suppose to be accepted.

RealityBites

So you have a problem with religious freedom for all. Why am I not surprised?

Puppy

I DO NOT support what God stands against my job is to obey Him. if the founding fathers were here today they would make changes on the first amendment when it comes to religious freedom.

RealityBites

Somehow I seriously doubt that. If we are to have TRUE religious freedom in this diverse nation of ours, then we must allow ALL religions.

Rabbit

How so? Our Founders were not KIND to other religions that is why they made a MISTAKE!. When they set out to protect freedom of religion they did not imagine, obviously the contention of false God worshippers would being in the future, they thought of other religions,as a CULT at best

Had they known Satanist, Muslims, Buddhist, others would try to force our government entitles to give equal time and equal opportunity to pray before meetings, benedictions, etc… They would have found a way to proclaim this as a Christian nation with laws to protect those,to worship God as they pleased without fear of persecution or prosecution, and prohibit others with different religions, from having,equal access to display their religion in the public area. I am,confident they would have made those changes..

RealityBites

Oh so allowing people to practice the religion of their choice was somehow “wrong?” New one on me

Puppy

Freedom of Religion meant something else, it’s not what you think our founders were Christians and Pastors they were not too kind towards other religions, Catholic and Jewish? YES! The others NO!!! That’s why they had good intentions but made a mistake. When they set out,to protect freedom of religion, they did not imagine, obviously, the contention false God worshippers would bring in the future. Had they known Satanist, Muslims, Buddhist,would try to force our government entities to give equal time and equal opportunity to pray before meetings, benedictions, etc.

They would have found a way to proclaim this a Christian nation with laws to protects Christians and others rights to worship GOD as they pleased without fear of persecution or prosecution, BUT prohibit those with other religions from having equal access to display their religion in the public area. . I am confident they would have made those changes.

Why? in short most of our founding fathers were Christian and Pastors they just wanted to get away from England’s crazy KING, he was mad with power.

RealityBites

Look I know you have a problem with others being given equal billing but we live in a diverse nation. The sooner you accept that the better

Puppy

Freedom of Religion, had to do with what happened with England, it’s not what you think because most of our founders were also pastors and they wanted to worship God anyway they pleased. They were not accepting towards other religions and saw them as cults.

Learn your History, don’t rely on what the School tells you it just so happens I am a Christian Historian when it comes to the roots in our country.

RealityBites

So you have learned biased history. That explains a lot

Puppy

Do you really have no problem with people’s worshiping Satan or ALLAH in this country? Do you know what comes next? if that were to happen. All you are doing is defending religious freedom to those that stand against you.

RealityBites

I don’t care who or what people worship in this country. We have freedom of religion for a reason. I wish more people besides me learned that

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Not until they start blowing up your neighborhood.

RealityBites

I wish people understood freedom of religion applies to ALL

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

What you must understand is that even freedom has limits. You nor I couldn’t go and shoot down infidels in the name of Allah, now could we? At least not without repercussion.

RealityBites

Apples to jackhammers comparison

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

That is a lame reply. Surely you could do better.

RealityBites

Truth is lame now? Sheesh someone better call Merriam Webster and tell them they have a new synonym to add to the thesaurus

Rabbit

You don’t care? Well then sounds like, you’re confused study up on History and learn what freedom of religion is all about. When the constitution was wrote there was only one religion here in America and that was Christians. What they meant was the government could not force different denominations join only as one. Like they did with England. All were forced to belong to the church in England. They did not want that here for Christians it had nothing to due to Satanist or Muslims because the founders and others were not kind to those religions. Christians, formed this country. They left England to come here to worship God as they wanted

RealityBites

Freedom of religion means ALL religions, who manage to coexist just fine except some people still hold prejudices. I bet you would reject a doctor of another faith even if they were the best around. Luckily for me at the time no one in my family cared about the doctor’s religion. He was Hindu but the best orthopedic surgeon in town.

Trilemma

You forgot deists. Many of the founders were deists who rejected the divinity of Jesus such as Thomas Jefferson. Freedom of religion was for them too.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

The Deists of the founding fathers were very welcoming and amenable to Christianity. So much so, that Thomas Jefferson often said things that made him sound like a Christian. Unlike today, the unbelievers and those who believe in false god’s, i.e., ex-president Obama, set a new precedent for policies that were clearly anti-Christian. Jefferson would never have done what Obama did.

Trilemma

I agree.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

You are equating freedom of religion with the erroneous notion that all religions are valid. Not all religions are equal or true. This is why Christians make a distinction between true and false religion and why they should never worship with those who believe in false gods. This country is rampant with false religion and we have a mandate from God to declare what the Bible declares which is that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no man can come unto the Father except through Him.

Trilemma

Muslims believe just as strongly that Islam is the only true religion and that all others including yours are false religions. From the government’s standpoint, all religions must be considered equally valid.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Yes, Muslims believe in a false god and they practice their religion freely here until they start blowing people up. One can practice their belief in the tooth fairy, but that doesn’t make it true or valid. They are free to believe what they want. As Christians, again, we will proclaim the supremacy of Christianity and denounce false religions as it is so clearly laid out in the Bible. And that is precisely why Trump and the Vice President shouldn’t worship with false religions – remember that is their freedom of choice – who to worship with or not, but I don’t think they chose wisely. (edited)

Trilemma

Again, Muslims will proclaim the supremacy of Islam and denounce false religions as it is so clearly laid out in the Quran. Claiming your personal religion is the only true and valid religion doesn’t make it so.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

I thought you were trying to make a point that ALL religions are equally valid and true and I’m saying they are not. How does that interfere with freedom of religion?

Trilemma

The point I’m trying to make is that the government must treat all religions as equally true and valid whether they are or not in anyone’s opinion. If the government favors one religion because the government considers it more valid, that could infringe on the freedom of another religion. For example, if the government makes it easier for Christians to build churches than Muslims to build mosques, then the freedom of religion for Muslims is being hindered.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

What you’re missing here is exactly what is wrong with America. When truth is abandoned falsehood takes over. Under Obama’s government they believed that LGBTQ’s should be given special attention which in turn infringed on Christian’s and their beliefs and rights. So, no, not all beliefs, not all religions are true. When you try to practice co-existing there will be division and we are seeing that after Obama’s legislating sin and evil. Trump is un-doing what Obummer did — why? Because he believes that Christianity is valid and true and that secularism is not.

Trilemma

American is all about peaceful coexistence and the purpose of the Constitution is to equally protect the rights of everyone including the rights of the LGBT community.

So far, the things I see President Trump undoing that President Obama did are for political party reasons rather than religious. Many Christians liked what President Obama did.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Not sure what your point is. Trump claims to be a Christian so he should practice and live out his faith as a Christian because he believes it to be the truth. I suggest you find out what truth is and stand by it.

RealityBites

Under the Constitution all religions are valid. That pesky First Amendment is gonna be a pain in the neck for some people but glad to see we have a President who respects all Americans no matter what religion they practice

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

That “pesky” First Amendment is a divinely written document. In no way, does it mean that when someone determines that a certain religion is false that it is tantamount to saying they don’t have the right to worship as they want. Again, you and the unbeliever on here seem to confuse the two.

RealityBites

Exactly which word of Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF is too hard for you to understand? ALL religions are valid under that pesky amendment whether you consider them “valid” or not.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Notwithstanding the word of Congress, in practice and in truth not all religion’s are valid or true and one can believe that without infringing upon another’s rights to believe in a false god and practice their faith if they so choose. You have entirely missed the point

RealityBites

Yes people who do not understand the First Amendment miss the point. Glad you have admitted it unlike some people here

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

The Constitution doesn’t violate one’s conscience or belief system. If I believe what the Bible says about false religions then that is my religious right. And the President is already stepping on the toes of the secularists because he defunded Federal money allocated for abortions in other countries. Ouch. The Christians are happy and secularists are having panic attacks. So it is impossible for government not enact Christian laws and rules (or anti-Christian ones as was the case w/Obummer). Our founding fathers were explicit in their practice of the Christian faith from which most of our laws came from.

RealityBites

You’re happy women are not being fully informed of ALL options and allowed to do what is right for them? That is sad

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Very, very happy that my hard earned tax dollars aren’t going to be used for something that my conscience says is unutterably wrong.

RealityBites

Thank you for confirming that you are all about control

Trilemma

If there is only one God, then everyone who professes to worship God must be worshiping the same God.

Puppy

No, doesn’t mean we are worshiping the same God. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well,” she wordshiped what she did not know”, (John 4:22-26)The God of Israel and the God of Christianity are the same God. As we believe in the God of Jacob Isaac and Abraham etc…Buddhism is based on a prophet and addresses spiritual questions, Hinduism is pantheistic which means many Gods.

The Abrahamic religions worship the same God Allah but view and worship him quite differently. They are monotheistic. Allah is not the God of Christians or Jews. Allah was picked by Muhammad from 360 idols and Allah was the Crescent Moon God Idol which is pagan worship. Much of the Koran writing were stolen from the Christian writing and the Hebrew writings. Satan always tries to twist a little error with the truth because Satan’s number one game is twisting the truth God

Allah is not the God of Christians or Jews. Allah was picked by Muhammad from 360 idols and Allah was the Crescent Moon God Idol which is pagan worship. Much of the Koran writings were stolen from the Christian writings and the Hebrew writings. Satan always tries to twist a little error in with truth because Satan’s number one game is twisting the truth of God.Jehovah NOT condone murder.. He does not condone going to any area on the planet and blowing up,shooting, cutting peoples heads off

Jehovah does NOT condone murder. killing peoples just because they don’t believe in Him. Muslims denies Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. They don’t believe he raised from the cross. They believe anyone who claims Jesus is God will Burn in Hell forever.

Trilemma

Same god, different beliefs about god, mostly wrong.

Rabbit

The Bible says, there are many Gods and many lords, Almighty Gods name is Jehovah/YHWH 1 Corinthians 8:5

Puppy

Yahuwah the God of the Bible has a son named Jesus!
Allah the god of the Koran has no son!

Muslims in Abrahamic religions will kill you for believing Allah has a Son,named Jesus it goes against what they believe in.

Trilemma

Do Jews believe that Yahuwah the God of the Bible has a son named Jesus?

Puppy

No, Jewish people don’t regard Jesus as having been anything significant. They feel that he may have thought and said he was the Messiah but so did a lot of other young Jewish men around his time. He didn’t fulfil the prophecies about the Messiah so they disagree with the Christian faith and don’t see him as the Messiah.

They don’t hate Jesus, it’s just they believe he’s meaningless to him,with them claiming he was not divine, not the Messiah, not a prophet, not a Rabbi, not a Teacher, nor anything else to them.

Since they believe he is dead, no Jew on earth worships Jesus or any other dead human. Judaism forbids worship of follow men.

Trilemma

You said that Christians and Jews worship the same god and Muslims don’t because Muslims believe God does not have a son named Jesus. But Jews believe God does not have a son named Jesus just like Muslims. That means Jews must not worship the same god as Christians. You said that Jews believe Jesus was not the Messiah. But Muslims do believe Jesus was the Messiah. So, is it 3 different gods or the same God with different beliefs?

Puppy

Yes, (Jehovah)the God of Abraham , The God of Moses, Etc. is the same God both Christians are Jews serve, it’s the belief in Jesus is what seperates them. Christians accept him as Lord and Savior and the Jews do not. There are Messianic Jews who accept Jesus as the Messiah, but the Jews only believe in the God of the old Testament.Don’t believe Messiah is the Son of God.

Arabic nations, (Muslim) don’t believe in the same God as Christians and Jews, they believe in a false God named Allah. Jesus is seen as an prophet in Islam, but their Jesus is not the same Jesus written in the Bible, their Jesus is suppose to come back and kill Christians and Jews Islam is an fake religion.

Puppy

That is why the Jews are still looking for the ( false) Messiah every day, they already rejected their real Messiah (Jesus) are living in blindness the next Messiah they are looking for will be the AntiChrist. That is once the third temple is built, he places himself” above God’s laws”. announces himself as GOD.

Will turn on God’s Chosen peoples later on, they will never see this deceifulness coming and the Ultimate betrayal will happen, the Jews are going to really be alone as the LOST world will attend to wipe them off the map. These things must happen as Jesus wil save them, and they will then see Jesus as their Messiah once and for all.

Becky

Souters…the whole lot of ’em.

Joshua 1:9

A “souter” is a shoemaker or person who repairs shoes. I would certainly trust the average shoemaker way above anyone that had attended this meeting.

Becky

Um, no…not that “souter”. Souter is someone that misrepresents their beliefs. The term stemmed from Justice David Souter (S.Ct). He claimed he was a conservative, but turned out he was nothing but a liberal. So, yeah, the whole lot are nothin’ but souters.

Joshua 1:9

Now I understand. Thanks! And yes, good point.

Becky

Thank you! Btw, I agree with you…I’d also trust the average shoemaker way above anyone that had attended this meeting.

Joshua 1:9

Heathens are they all. The Bible specifically warns us not to embrace other religions or beliefs. It says it is dangerous. But I guess when the only people that are gathering are non-Christian liberals then it is expected that they will ignore what God says.

HpO

You do know – don’t you? – that these Evangelicals were there, too: “Liberty University Praise … Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship and the Harvest Crusades … Jack Graham of Prestonwood Baptist Church … David Jeremiah of Shadow Mountain Community Church … Ronnie Floyd, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention … Ramiro Pena of Christ the King Baptist Church … Cissie Graham Lynch”. Since when – and how – have they all become, according to you, “Heathens” and “non-Christian liberals”?

Joshua 1:9

Did you read my whole comment?

HpO

Of course, I did and that’s why just now to follow up I want to know your answer to my question. Let’s have it, please.

Joshua 1:9

Yes, I do realize that. I had read the article, as well as other articles on this same meeting. They were all together sharing fellowship under the banner of “unity”. The Bible tells us that it is wrong to embrace other religions and beliefs. All those in attendance were embracing other beliefs and religions. They embraced each other, held hands as they prayed to each other’s gods. They (even the self-proclaimed evangelicals) showed much ungodly tolerance towards the other non-Christians and their gods throughout that meeting. Coming out of the meeting, several of the evangelicals said, “The important thing about all of this is that we all work together to promote unity under our new government.” That does not sound very much like an evangelical Christian response. The Bible tells us that in these times there will be many who will come in the name of Jesus and will try to lead us astray. This article has given us a list of a handful of those who will do so. God is not in “unity” with any false gods or those who follow them.

Ira Pistos

Well said.

HpO

That’s what I want to hear, I guess, Joshua 1:9 – especially as to the real meaning of that list. Like you said, “there will be many who will come in the name of Jesus and will try to lead us astray. This article has given us a list of a handful of those who will do so.” I remember some such list was way shorter when George W. Bush became US president before 9/11, but now it’s way too long for me to believe that American Evangelicalism may actually have reached a point of no return! So, Joshua 1:9, I needed that confirmation from you. Thanks.

RealityBites

Thankfully we live in a nation where true religious freedom is valued, no matter what a person’s faith. Thankfully our new President recognizes religious freedom for all

Puppy

Trump does not recognizes religious freedom for all, he does not care for religious freedom, he’s just following the orders of the Vatican, that is openly promoting a one world religion and will happen, as Satan, will have,his own Church and GOVT in the End times

RealityBites

Yeah ok whatever. Its obvious that if President Trump did not believe in religious freedom he would have not gone to the prayer breakfast. Simple huh

Puppy

Remember, Trump had a chance to make a sign and read from the Bible,and what did he do? Where did he read from?? He read from something else! The Apocrypha which is not included in most modern,Protestant Bibles .

RealityBites

SO what?

Puppy

The Apocrypha are not Christian books. No Christian wrote them. They are Jewish writings, ones that were NOT considered to be canon, worthy of reaching but most based on false teachings. Trump did not read from the Bible what he read is Apocrypha = non-God-breathed.blasphemy paraded in the Name of Jesus.

This will only bring GOD’s JUDGEMENT not blessing to this nation

RealityBites

Oh so now you have a problem with the President recognizing Jews? That’s sad

Chris

“No Christian wrote them. They are Jewish writings,…” You mean like every single one of the writers of the New Testament?

Puppy

No, I mean it’s WELL KNOWN the Early Church rejected and saw the Apocrypha as heretic* Some might say they are a good read but it must be weigh carefully against scripture. As it gives alternative accounts of Jesus’ life, not God-breathed

Chris

“No, I mean it’s WELL KNOWN the Early Church rejected and saw the Apocrypha as heretic*.”

Actually that’s not true. The church picked the books for the cannon based on usage. Many of the apocrypha were written by early church men. They weren’t chosen because they weren’t apostles and/or popular. For example there’s nothing heretical about the Didach,

Puppy

Except the, Books of the Apocrypha are not divinely inspired nor should be regarded as scripture for 3 very important reasons, 1. Historical inaccuracy. 2. Doctrinal Inconsistency. And 3. Condones confirmed Heretical Teachings.Martin Luther himself said they were good for study,,but should not be used to determine doctrine; meaning he considered them less inspired.

Chris

“Except the, Books of the Apocrypha are not divinely inspired …”

How do you know?

“…nor should
be regarded as scripture for 3 very important reasons, 1. Historical
inaccuracy.”
The gospels contain historical inaccuracy. Example: Luke says that Pontius Pilate was a procurator when, in fact, he was a prefect. How do we know? Because an inscription was found outside Pilate’s residence which read “Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judaea”

“2. Doctrinal Inconsistency.”

Inconsistency with what? The canonical Gospels? But there are lots of inconsistencies in the canonical Gospels and they are waved away as merely apparent and not real. You could do the same with the apocrypha.

“And 3. Condones confirmed
Heretical Teachings.Martin Luther himself said they were good for
study,,but should not be used to determine doctrine; meaning he
considered them less inspired.”

And who says Martin Luther was correct?

Puppy

There, is no evidence that Jesus ever used these books, nor the disciples, nor that the Jewish leadership and congregation ever did. On the contrary, there is ample evidence that they didn’t. We see they quoted, liberally from the very same Old Testament books which the Protestants use today and which the Jewish people utilize to this very day, and never once quote from the Apocrypha. Likewise, the New Testament writers quote from almost all of the old Testament books,,but do not ever quote from the Apocrypha.

So, Considering all these facts the Apocrypha heretic theology. it’s not the same as the Bible that should be a big read flag to Christians if they were to stop sleeping and see this as major red flag from Trump. He choose not to read from the Bible.

The Apocrypha = heretic, as early Christians saw and viewed the Apocrypha as heretic and that does not change in the eyes of God.

Chris

“So, Considering all these facts the Apocrypha heretic theology”

Actually if Jesus never existed the entire New Testament is heretical theology.

Puppy

When it comes to the Apocrypha, the writers in some cases are guilty of dishonesty in falsely representing their works as those of earlier inspired writers. They show themselves to be under pagan Greek influence and at times resort to an extravagance of language and literary style wholly foreign to the inspired Scriptures

For example, the “Infancy Gospel of Thomas” concentrates on Jesus as a child between 5 and 12 years of age- and credits him with performing a series of far- fetched miracles ( See John 2:11) Jesus is, presented as a naughty, as a naughty, irascible, vindictive child,who uses his miraculous powers to take revenge on teachers, neighbors,and other children, some of whom he blinds,cripples,or,even kills.

The Apocrypha Condones Heretical Teachings,contradict other bible accounts( such as saying sin was spread from woman, not man (Adam like Romans says) and Jesus and the apostles never used or quoted from these books-﻿ The Apocrypha is nothing but Heretical is,nothing compared to the Bible. a false book

Chris

“When it comes to the Apocrypha, the writers in some cases are guilty of
dishonesty in falsely representing their works as those of earlier
inspired writers.”

You are quite correct. Some of the authors of apocryphal were frauds. This does NOT mean that all of them were however. As I wrote – the didach isn’t. Neither is the shepherd of Hermas.

“They show themselves to be under pagan Greek
influence and at times resort to an extravagance of language and
literary style wholly foreign to the inspired Scriptures.”

Not exactly. The first few lines from the Gospel of John was almost a quote from the ‘Way of Truth’ by the Greek philosopher Parmenides. In addition the Gospel of Luke copies the style of writers such as Josephus who was influenced by Roman literature.

Chris

“For example, the “Infancy Gospel of Thomas” concentrates on Jesus as a
child between 5 and 12 years of age- and credits him with performing a
series of far- fetched miracles ( See John 2:11) Jesus is, presented as a
naughty, as a naughty, irascible, vindictive child,who uses his
miraculous powers to take revenge on teachers, neighbors,and other
children, some of whom he blinds,cripples,or,even kills.”

You are correct. Jesus, in the Gospel of Thomas is shown as irascible. Just like Jesus is in the canonical gospels when He curses a fig tree because it hadn’t produced figs out of season. Remember that?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You really should speak on subject you know nothing about. That’s not a true statement.

4thJohn

There is religious freedom. However, there is no fellowship between light and darkness and the inconvenient truth is that Jesus is the ONLY way to God and his house is supposed to be reserved for HIM only – Read the very first commandment. The national cathedral is a no longer a Christian house of worship, so they violate just about every commandment of God.
ItIt is appropriate for the President to meet with leaders of all faiths and hear their concerns. That does no mean he has to worship with them, which is not worship at all. He is feeling his way, and this was doubtless planned some time ago. The revered Mr. Obama as partial to his own Muslim faith and never went to a real Bible-believing church to my knowledge. Trinity was a fusion of apostate liberation theology and Islam,

RealityBites

Actually President Obama did go to a Christian church on several occasions while in office. I forget the name but its the one near the White House that most, if not all, Presidents attend. Also the NATIONAL Cathedral is open to ALL faiths, hence the name NATIONAL, although its an Episcopal church. This interfaith service is a tradition that apparently bothers some people who refuse to acknowledge all religions in this diverse nation of ours.

Darryl Zufelt

Amen

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I have mixed feelings and thoughts on this. On one hand I see nothing wrong with it because Paul went into Areopagus and preached the Gospel amongst the people and their many other gods. So this was an event where many are giving their prayers for the President, The Government, and The Country. Why not have Christians there offering their prayers as well? After all, we know that those are the only prayers that are being heard by God.

On the other hand there is a sadness for it is ludicrous to believe that we will have the blessing of Almighty God when He is lifted no higher than any of the other false gods. Quite to the contrary, when the USA goes a whoring after other gods and lifts them up to be equal to God, they are only inviting God’s Judgment and Wrath upon themselves.

It is my prayer that this time will cause Trump to spend more time in deeper meditation on Eternity and spiritual things which will lead to an opportunity for Pence, and perhaps others, to bring the Truth to Trump, that through God drawing Him and the power of the Holy Spirit Trump will come under conviction so that he confesses, repents, and is saved. Then Pence can disciple him into further Truth and perhaps turn back the things that have brought this country under Judgment.

All that said, as long as the USA, as a nation, continues to endorse throwing its babies into the fires of Molech, worship at the altars of Baal, mock God by flooding the White House in the colors of the Rainbow, and build its idols on the high places, we will suffer the same fate as all those before who have repeatedly come under Judgment for the same. For God has shown us clearly and told us plainly what will happen.

Michael C

On the other hand there is a sadness for it is ludicrous to believe that we will have the blessing of Almighty God when He is lifted no higher than any of the other false gods.

Our government has never placed the God of the bible in a position above any other god-beliefs. Our government doesn’t recognize any religious belief as being more or less “correct” than others. Is it possible that we’ve never had the “blessing of the Almighty?”

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Says you. But that’s a lie. History proves otherwise. Try actually reading historical documents. Or you could also just actually watch the video and count the number of speakers who spoke of Jesus as compared to all the others combined. So much for your supposition.

As to your question, the answer is NO. It’s not possible. The evidence is that America doesn’t get to be the greatest nation on the face of the Earth that has done good for more than any other without the blessings of God.

RealityBites

Exactly which word of the First Amendment makes it hard for you to comprehend? We have the freedom to practice any religion we choose in this nation or none of them. That is what makes this country great and it is nice to see President Trump recognize that

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Exactly which word of the First Amendment makes it hard for you to comprehend? Nothing you just said contradicts the truth of what I said. Freedom to practice any religion you choose or none of them in no way negates the Historical evidence that our country has placed the God of the bible in a position above any other god-beliefs and our government does, in fact, recognize Christianity as being more correct than others.

RealityBites

Exactly where is any deity mentioned anywhere in the Constitution?? Try nowhere

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Wrong again. Try reading it.

RealityBites

YOU made the claim now back it up. I have read the Constitution. It is mentioned exactly NOWHERE. No wonder you can’t back up your claim

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You made the claim. And you can’t back it up because it’s there. So go read it and then come back and confess your lie.

RealityBites

Oh so you think I am going to admit to something that isn’t true just because you refuse to acknowledge it? I have read the Constitution and have never seen any deity referenced, ANYWHERE. YOU spew that it is so YOU prove it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Oh so you think I’m gonna waste my time trying to prove something to someone who just admitted they can’t read? It’s right there in Black & White for anyone to see if they actually read it.

So YOU just keeping spewing your lie.

RealityBites

Except I have not told a lie at all, and your refusal to back up your claim is only proof of that.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Wrong again. You did lie and my refusal to cater to your whims doesn’t prove a thing. The Constitution is what proves your lie.

Like your handle says, Reality Bites!

RealityBites

Then if you are so sure PROVE YOUR CLAIM!!!! Oh wait, you refuse. Why should I listen to anything you spew then? You’re right, reality does bite, it bit you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

LOL. I did. And you admitted you don’t know how to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So why should I do your work for you. READ THE CONSTITUTION – ALL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You’re right, reality does bite. It bit YOU!!! The Constitution IS the reality.

RealityBites

YOU are the one who spewed that the Constitution does reference a deity, but when called on to prove it you are the one who refuses. THAT is black and white reality

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I understand you can’t read but perhaps you can try to at least follow what you’ve written yourself. Go back up to the top and see who first made a false claim.

I didn’t “spew” anything. I simply stated a FACT!!

You’re denial does NOT change what the black & white REALITY that not only is God mentioned but, in FACT, Jesus is.

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
Prov. 26:4

RealityBites

I can read just fine thank you. YOU are the one who made the claim that there is a reference to deity in the Constitution, yet when called on it and asked to back up your claim you show your butt. Either prove it or go away.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Wrong again. You admitted that you didn’t see it. So either you can’t read or your didn’t read it. Either way your contradicting yourself or a Liar.

YOU are the one who said it’s not there. YOU made the claim. I simply corrected your lie.

And your comments here show everyone quite clear who is showing their butt.

I did prove it. I stated the FACT that God is mentioned, even Jesus, in the Constitution. So either prove it’s not or go away.

I’m not going anywhere. 🙂

Like a dog that returns to its vomit
Is a fool who repeats his folly.
Prov. 26:11

RealityBites

Then prove it and stop showing your butt. Either that or admit you are wrong and go away because truth is going absolutely NOWHERE. I don’t know why you hate the idea of backing up your claim that much but the more you refuse its only hurting you.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Then go read the Constitution and quit showing your butt. Either that or admit that you are wrong and go away because the Truth is going absolutely NOWHERE. I don’t know why you hate the idea of backing up your claim that much but the more you refuse its only hurting you.

NOW GO READ THE CONSTITUTION!

RealityBites

I have the read the Constitution thank you. I found exactly ZERO references to deity anywhere in it. YOU on the other hand claimed otherwise and refuse to back it up. Also twisting my words to fit your agenda only shows how desperate YOU really are. NOW BACK UP YOUR CLAIM!!!!!! SHEESH!

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Ah, I see. So you admit you can’t read then. Better go try again.

The wise of heart will receive commands,
But a babbling fool will be ruined.
Prov. 10:8

RealityBites

Still can’t back up your claim huh? That figures

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Still can’t back up your claim huh? That figures.

The Constitution backs my claim up.

RealityBites

If it did you would have done it by now instead of being obnoxious and twisting my words around to suit your agenda. Its obvious you’re upset that there are NO references to deity in the Constitution and therefore are refusing to back up your claim

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’m not upset at all. I have Truth on my side. Anyone who can read can seeing you’re lying and two lazy to go read the Constitution to see the truth.

It’s just like the sun. Right there for anyone who wants to see it. I can stand and point to the sun all day long but when one closes their eyes and CHOOSES to deny the fact, there’s nothing anyone can do for them.

There IS not only a reference to God but to Jesus in the Constitution. Your denial with NEVER change that FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever winks the eye causes trouble, and a babbling fool will come to ruin. Prov. 10:10

RealityBites

Then BACK UP YOUR CLAIM!!!!!!! How hard is it if you really think you are right? Jeez I have never dealt with anyone so freaking exasperating.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I did. Go read the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How hard is it if you really think you are right?

Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool,
And so is wisdom to a man of understanding.
Prov. 10:23

RealityBites

Cite the actual text then. Oh wait all you can do is twist someone else’s words. Figures.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Go read it for yourself. Shucks, by now you could’ve Googled it a 100x! Oh wait, all you can do is live in Denial. Figures.

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.
Prov. 12:15

RealityBites

Its a miracle, you finally got one right. You could have cited the actual text by now instead of taking exasperating to a whole new level

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Well, thank you for finally admitting that you’re in Denial and refuse to leave it. And thank you for showing everyone that you could’ve actually Googled or read the Constitution several times by now.

I’m not exasperated at all. Perhaps you should see someone about that.

In everything the prudent acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly.
(Pro 13:16)

Are you getting anything from God’s Word yet?

RealityBites

Still won’t cite the actual text huh you irritating troll?

Sharon_at_home

I just googled it and it says there is no reference to God or Jesus in the US constitution.

RealityBites

I knew that but royce the irritating troll kept spewing that there was then when asked to back up their claim started acting juvenile

Royce E. Van Blaricome

See my comment above to Sharon. You both knew nothing. Sorry, but once again you’ve shown you’ve got your head in the sand.

Sorry that you find the Truth irritating but, alas, that is often the case. I would imagine the irritation comes from you continuing to show yourself as a fool. Claiming things aren’t the case when even the folks on your side of the argument admit I’m right.

Moreover, I provided you with the definition of an Internet Troll and what Psychology Today says about you too but you didn’t take that to heart either. So sad.

So, I’ll remind you, this is CHRISTIAN site and you’re the troll. Now I hope you’ll go get the help you need.,

RealityBites

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

RealityBites

Then you would have admitted you’re wrong a long time ago

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
Prov. 17:28

RealityBites

Then why haven’t you been quiet?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Because the proverb applies to fools. But again, I see you missed that.

RealityBites

Yes you did miss that but your comedy is gold

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Do not speak in the hearing of a fool,
For he will despise the wisdom of your words.
Prov. 23:9

RealityBites

You’re funny

Royce E. Van Blaricome

So God’s Word is a joke to you. Ok, got it.

RealityBites

I never said that but you love to assume

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Ah, but you DID. I quoted God’s Word. So He is the one who spoke and you called Him funny.

RealityBites

No you are the one who is funny

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Too bad you’re not. You’re just being a trolling pest.

RealityBites

Yes you are but I’m glad you admit it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

There’s that hypocrisy, parroting, and childishness again.

Thank you. Can’t be much doubt, if any, in anyone’s mind now,.

RealityBites

There you go again, describing yourself.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

There you go again, describing yourself.

RealityBites

Yep the parrot comes out its more than obvious

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yep the parrot comes out its more than obvious. Not to mention the cowardly little bully who thinks he can bully me into going away like you have the others.

Told ya pard’, I ain’t gonna go anywhere.

RealityBites

In other words you take pride in being annoying. That doesn’t work in the real world hate to break reality to ya

Royce E. Van Blaricome

There’s that phony god-complex and faux omniscience again. It’s a repeated behavior which is a sure sign of where you’re heading.

Yep you are showing your true colors and frankly they are not pretty. However I am doing the compassionate thing and taking pity on you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yep you are showing your true colors and frankly they are not pretty.

Thank you for showing everyone your compassion and how you take pity on others.

It’s much appreciated. Always love it when others reveal themselves for who they are.

RealityBites

So you like it when people show they have more compassion and empathy than you do. Glad to know that

Royce E. Van Blaricome

So you like it when people show they have more compassion and empathy than you do. Glad to know that

RealityBites

Poor royce has nothing better to do than parrot other people. It must be sad to be him.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Well, you like RealityBites evidently didn’t look hard enough but a Google search WILL show you exactly where God, and specifically Jesus, IS in the US Constitution.

Moreover, if you had bothered to actually follow the conversation you would have seen that another Googled it and found it AND two people on here have already admitted to that being the case.

Sharon_at_home

There was no need to be rude to me about it.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Sorry Sharon. Please forgive me. I didn’t mean to be rude but I could’ve worded that better. No doubt that some frustration with RealityBites spilled over and I apologize for that.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Now you’re repeating yourself? I do hope you’ll seek some professional help soon. As I said, I’m the Christian on a CHRISTIAN site, so your calling me a troll is not only laughable but once again shows your delusional.

A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

“Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

Leave the presence of a fool,
Or you will not discern words of knowledge.
Prov. 14:7

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Go away troll. You never back up a single claim you make and take obnoxious to a whole new level. I don’t know why you still think anyone should take you seriously considering I am not the first one who has known you are a troll. How about finally putting up or shutting up for once and citing the actual text of the Constitution that you claim references deity, but I know you won’t

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Boy howdy, you do have a problem don’t you.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll’s amusement.

Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists
Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response. – See more at Psychology Today.

A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil,
But a fool is arrogant and careless.
Prov. 14:16

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Cite the text. Oh wait, you won’t

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Go read the text. Oh wait, you won’t! You’d rather troll and whine and rant like a little puerile petulant imbecile

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Keep describing yourself, you’re having real problems

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Golly Wally, still having problems with English? Did I use too big of words for you. Here let me see if I can come down to your level.

You’re trolling a CHRISTIAN website with your atheistic nonsense which is something one would expect from a 2yo but not an adult. Does that help?

Why is there a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom,
When he has no sense?
Prov. 17:16

Isn’t God’s Word just grand? I appreciate the opportunity to share it with you again.

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You are the one who refuses to back up your claim when asked to cite evidence and you are the one accusing me of “trolling” when you can’t cite the text in the Constitution? That’s very funny

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You are the one who refuses to back up your claim when asked to cite evidence and you are the one accusing me of “trolling” when you can’t even read the test in the Constitution. That’s very funny.

Not to mention an atheist accusing a Christian of trolling a CHRISTIAN site! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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WOW and he breaks the ninth commandment with bearing false witness against me. I am NOT, repeat NOT, an atheist. I am simply sick of your attitude. WOW can anyone say ISSUES??? ALL you do is take what I say and twist it then accuse me of refusing to back up my “claim” when YOU were the one who was asked to cite the ACTUAL text of the Constitution that makes reference to any deity, and you still refuse. I must wonder about you.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Not an atheist? My apologies. I thought you said you were. Must’ve gotten you confused with the other troll. King something or another.

So what are you? Certainly not a Christian as evidenced by your many posts.

ISSUES? What issues? Would that be YOU violating the 9th Commandment AGAIN?????????

I’m not twisting anything. It’s all there in black & white for all to see. YOU are the one who first made the claim that nothing in the Constitution referenced God. YOU made the claim!! Get it? I simply replied with that is a lie. It IS in the Constitution. And at least TWO others have admitted as much.

So I think we can all see who has the ISSUES. 🙂 Wonder as you wish. I don’t wonder about you one iota. You’ve made yourself abundantly clear.

A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.
Prov. 18:2

Thanks for another opportunity to share God’s Word with you.

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Those of us who understand the Constitution are not “trolls” thank you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

No, thank you!! You just showed again that you not only don’t understand the Constitution, you don’t even understand English.

Why did you refuse to state what you are if not an atheist?

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That is the funniest spew I have seen all night

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Still refusing I see. Is that the best you can do?

“Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha that was the funniest thing I had seen all night

Royce E. Van Blaricome

A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

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I love your comedy

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Why is there a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom,
When [fn]he has no sense?
Prov. 17:16

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You could go on the Tonight Show. Jimmy Fallon would love your comedy gold

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

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I know I’m right, you keep proving it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I know I’m right, you keep proving it.

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You prove me right, thanks

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You prove me right, thanks.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I previously quoted the definition of Internet Troll above and the article from Psychology Today.

Thank you for showing everyone the perfect example.

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You do prove to be the perfect example, especially when you have never backed up a single ridiculous claim of yours. You don’t understand the customs of the time in which the founding documents were written. However you claim to be an expert but I already know that you’re going to take what I say and repeat it since that is your MO

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You do prove to be the perfect example, especially when you have never backed up a single ridiculous claim of yours. You don’t understand the customs of the time in which the founding documents were written.

When the shoe fits. I proved you wrong and you can’t stand it. And the FACT is, even it was just a “custom” – which it is NOT as proven by historical documents – you STILL would be WRONG because you claimed there was NO reference to ANY deity.

So you’re a liar, a deceiver, and a proven harassing troll.

Thank you for showing it to everyone.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha there you go again proving you love nothing more than to turn things others say back around on them. And you wonder why I don’t take you seriously

Yes you do but you’re getting old. You got old a LONG time ago. But you’re not gonna bully me.

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You’re right, you’re NOT gonna bully me. That is why I am not afraid to stand up to you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You’re right, you’re NOT gonna bully me. That is why I am not afraid to stand up to you

RealityBites

So you admit that you’re not gonna bully me. Glad to see that

Royce E. Van Blaricome

So you admit that you’re not gonna bully me. Glad to see that

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Parrot alert!

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’ve actually been right all along. You could’ve Googled as I said or actually read the Constitution several times by now.

I’m not exasperated at all. Perhaps you should see someone about that.

In everything the prudent acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly.
(Pro 13:16)

Thanks for giving me another opportunity to share the truth of God’s Word with you. Are you getting anything from it yet?

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Still can’t cite the actual text huh troll?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’m the Christian on a CHRISTIAN site. Thanks for showing your ignorance again. And if you’d have bothered to look at the comments, “Chris” found it for you. So that was a pretty dimwitted comment altogether.

Not surprising though.

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Chris agreed with me, you neither put up nor shut up

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yes, Chris agreed with you – right up to the point where I stopped him in his tracks with the truth and showed everybody that he admitted God is in the Constitution.

So you’ve shown yourself as a fool once again.

A lip of abundance is not fitting for a fool,
Much less are lying lips to a prince.
Prov. 17:7

Isn’t God’s Word just great? Are you learning anything yet?

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Then cite the text or stop trolling

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Little hard of hearing? Blind? You already know it’s true because you admitted that Chris said so.

Additionally, I already cited two sources that show YOU are the troll. But hey, you’ve given me another opportunity to shine more light and share more of God’s Word.

A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding
Than a hundred blows into a fool.
Prov. 17:10

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Can’t cite the text when challenged. How typical. Now cite the actual text in the Constitution or just admit you were wrong. Not hard to do. Others have proven you wrong and it bothers you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Can’t go read the evidence for themselves. How typical. Now go read the actual Constitution or just admit you’re wrong. Two others on here have already admitted it IS in the Constitution so you’re just continuing to be a petulant little dolt, a troll, and showing yourself to be a fool.

But I’ll let ya just keep doing it.

Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs,
Rather than a fool in his folly.
Prov. 17:12

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Yeah right keep dreaming.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Oh I will. I have sweet dreams!

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I would hate to think what kind of dreams you have considering you’re the one who has problems

Royce E. Van Blaricome

It would appear that you hate to think – period. As for who has the problems, it’s not me deleting my posts and those that are still left are enough for anyone else to draw their own conclusions.

But hey, you’ve given me another opportunity to share more of God’s Word!!!

He who sires a fool does so to his sorrow,
And the father of a fool has no joy.
Prov. 17:21

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You’re right, you do hate to think, hence your refusal to back up your claims

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Ah, I see you’re still having a problem with reading. Now everyone can see it as well. Thank you.

Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
Prov. 17:28

Now, outta the 20 or so pieces of wisdom I’ve provided, there’s a really good one for ya.

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I wish you would close your lips then. Then again your twisting of the First Amendment is quite entertaining

Royce E. Van Blaricome

No doubt you do. Most fools hate to have the light of truth shown on their lies and foolish ways.

Wrt to the 1st Amendment, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Don’t believe I’ve said anything about it.

But hey, how timely are your comments! I’ve been given another opportunity to share God’s Word and it’s perfect timing!!

A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.
Prov. 18:2

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Oh so you aren’t the “expert” you think you are. Glad to see you admit it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Once again your incoherent ramblings are showing your instability. That reply makes no sense whatsoever. Not only did I never claim to be an “expert” but I didn’t admit to anything. SMH…

How old are you? Am I talking with a 5yo??

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Nope I am much more mature than a 5 year old thanks. Also I have never been anything but consistent. You on the other hand have not backed up any claim of yours. NO one found any reference to deity, date writing custom does not count

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Oh yeah, the maturity is just oozing outta your comments. The only thing you’ve been consistent about is showing your petulence and never backing up your claim that the Constitution makes no mention of God.

And thank you for FINALLY admitting that there is a mention to not only God but Jesus as well. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!

The phrase “our God” may not “count” to YOU but it did to those who wrote it and it does to us. As for it being being only a “custom” that was a nice try and you’ve obviously swallowed the kool-aid from many of the God-hating atheist sites BUT, again, a simple Google search proves that wrong!! So does the DOI.

So thanks for showing everyone exactly what I said from the beginning. When one lives in Denial it doesn’t matter what anyone says – they just reject the evidence. No matter what it is. And now you know what we don’t waste our time casting pearls before swine. When one prefers by choice to wallow in the mud there’s no sense in putting them in a palace.

So thanks again!! It never fails. A fool will always reveal themselves given enough time.

Like a dog that returns to its vomit
Is a fool who repeats his folly.
Prov. 26;11

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I guess you forgot that it was only written in the custom of the time and no reference to deity was enshrined into actual law but I know you were not fortunate enough to go to a school where context was taught

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I guess you forgot that lies to carry any weight here. I guess you forgot that it was not a “custom” as there are many other papers of the time which do not have that. Such as the DOI. Ooops, that’s just a little FACT you missed. Or did you intentionally ignore that too? I guess you forgot that the usage stands in contrast to both the contemporary British tradition, in which documents were dated to the reign of the sitting monarch (see the Magna Carta of 1215 and the Petition of Right of 1628), and the French decision in 1793 to reject the Gregorian calendar altogether and begin measuring time starting with the French Revolution.

And you obviously don’t know anything. Your phony omniscience and psychological god-complex mental disorder has risen to the surface again.

Thank you for the opportunity to shed more light of the Truth though!

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The Declaration has no force of law. The Constitution is the SUPREME law of the land but I guess you didn’t know that or don’t want to acknowledge it. Also I love correcting you, too bad its not something you embrace

Royce E. Van Blaricome

The DOI proves your supposition/claim about “custom” as wrong but I guess you didn’t know that or don’t want to acknowledge it. Also I love correcting you, too bad it’s not something you embrace.

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The DOI does not carry the force of law, thank you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

The DOI was the precursor of the Constiution and it proves your lie about “custom” because your “custom” is not on the DOI!

THANK YOU!

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Royce E. Van Blaricome

More infantile behavior. THANK YOU!!!

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Yeah I get good laughs when people turn into parrots

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You oughtta know. That’s all you’ve been doing.

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Your comedy gives them to me

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Ah, well, there ya go again. Now, in addition to all the other lies, denials, harassment, and other sinful behaviors you add failing to take responsibility for your actions.

Now why would that surprise anyone? Have fun while you can. You won’t for long.

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You love to get down on yourself huh?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Another incoherent babbling. That makes no sense. Or have you turned to vulgarities now?

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Yep your typical MO strikes again

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yep your typical MO strikes again

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I know I’m right about you. Its more than obvious that you cannot do anything but repeat what someone says. I really must take pity on you.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

It’s pretty much blatantly obviously just how much you know or how much you’re right about anything.

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its obvious grammar is not your strong suit or you would not have put two adverbs next to each other in the same sentence

Royce E. Van Blaricome

That’s the best you can do? Pick out a jab for an obvious typo? Well, bully for you.

Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll go fix it now.

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Glad to see you admit that you do screw up. That’s a first for you I think. Glad you’re making progress

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Never said anything to the contrary. And again you show you’re thinking when you’re not used to it. As for you other snarky remarks, I think you know what you can do with them.

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Yes you can go fly a kite but I have done nothing but taken pity on you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Thank you for showing everyone how you take pity on others.

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Yes I do take pity on those who deserve it, like you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Thanks again for showing everyone your version of pity

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You deserve pity but I’m glad to see you admitting it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You deserve pity but I’m glad to see you admitting it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I guess you forgot to read what I wrote above. Your claim about “custom” is wrong. As usual.

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Yes you’re wrong but unfortunately you don’t want to accept it. Its sad that you reject Constitutional supremacy

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yes you’re wrong but unfortunately you don’t want to accept it. Its sad that you reject Constitutional supremacy

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There you go again repeating what I say without an original thought of your own

Royce E. Van Blaricome

There ya go again putting that Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket on display for all to see.

Just keep showing yourself to be a fool. Doesn’t bother me.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I already have your MO down so just do yourself a favor and admit that you act more like a parrot

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Thank you for continuing to discredit yourself and show yourself a fool.

And a parrot. There’s that Giant Sequoia Tree again.

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Still upset I have your MO down pat? Seriously

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Nope. No “still” to it. Never been there. Wouldn’t give you the satisfaction. But thanks again for showing your psychological problems.

I thought you would like that someone attempts to communicate on your level

Royce E. Van Blaricome

That’s what you get for thinking when you’re not used to it. You’d have to climb MUCH higher to get outta your hell hole before you reach my level.

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You’ve already dug to the center of the earth. Keep going you’ll eventually come out on the other side

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

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same old same old from you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

same old same old from you

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same old same old from you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

same old same old from you

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You’re right, nothing but parrot from you

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You’re right, nothing but parrot from you

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I know I’m right, you show it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I know I’m right, you show it

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Yes you do show that I am right. Glad to see you finally admit it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yes you do show that I am right. Glad to see you finally admit it

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I guess you forgot that it was NOT written “in the custom of the time” because it was actually out of “custom” but I am guessing you were not fortunate enough to go to a school were context was taught.

Thanks for showing your phony god-complex and faux omniscience AGAIN!

A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.
Prov. 18:2

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Thanks again for showing what you’ve got and who you are.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Thank you for once again putting your childish and foolish behavior on display for all to see. Evidently you have no shame.

That’s 3x time in less than 5min. Much appreciated!!

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you’re quite funny that’s why I laugh

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You’re just being a troll. We can all see that. I doubt you’ll be here long.

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Yes you are but then you’ve done that to everyone who does not see your biased views. I have watched you for a long time and frankly don’t see much hope for you. But knowing your MO like I do I bet dollars to donuts the next thing you do is turn this around on me. Its all you can do

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You speak truth about yourself. Now take actions to do something about it.

And thanks for admitting you’ve been trolling me.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha thank you for my best laugh of the night!

Yes you are hilarious but its getting old. You take obnoxious to another level

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Yes you are obnoxious and take it to another level

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Glad you admit that you do. Now get help, if you don’t exasperate the psychiatrist

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Glad you admit that you do. Now get help, if you don’t exasperate the psychiatrist

RealityBites

I’m glad to see you admit that you need help. Now please get it, for your own sake. Its hard for sane people like me to want to do anything but pity you. If the best you can do is repeat this same thing, then you are the one who has issues

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’m sorry to see you can’t see. Oh yeah, you’re really showing how sane you are.

There’s that Sequoia Tree AGAIN. Everyone can see how many times you’ve repeated the same thing. I just gave ya a dose of your own medicine.

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You’re right everyone can see how much you just repeat what someone else says. Its sad really

Royce E. Van Blaricome

You’re right everyone can see how much you just repeat what someone else says. Its sad really

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The parrot comes back but that’s ol’ royce’s typical MO. It must be sad to be him

Royce E. Van Blaricome

The parrot comes back but that’s the ol’ cowardly troll who hides behind a fake name’s typical MO. It must be sad to be him

Chris

Royce is a rather obvious troll. He will never put up or shut up.

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He is a troll alright but he takes obnoxious to another level

Chris

I just checked a copy of the US constitution online which has a word for word copy of the united states constitution. I
then did a word search for God, Lord or Jesus. It mentoned God zero
time. It mentioned Jesus zero times. It mentioned Lord once when it
gave the date i.e. “Year of our Lord.” Since that was the traditional
way to give a date this is hardly an example of mentioning God.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Nice try. Unfortunately, words matter. Not only is “Lord” used but it is defined – “Our Lord”. Only an absolute fool would try to claim that isn’t referring directly to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, wanna take a shot at identifying yourself as such?

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Might as well give it up, he won’t accept that he’s wrong

Chris

I fear you are correct.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

You do realize that the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration of Independence which mentions God 4 times? Are you insinuating that because it isn’t blaringly obvious in the Constitution that it implies that they no longer held to the high ideals of Christianity? You are mistaken, again.

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Still don’t understand how true freedom of religion really works huh? This country is NOT a theocracy nor does the Declaration have the force of law. The CONSTITUTION is the Supreme law of the land

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Founded on Christian principles. In God We Trust written on our currency. Read the Declaration of Independence – they believed in God and did not disallow Him in the public sphere. Schools had prayer and Bible reading. Laws, amendments, policies all based on the beliefs of God-fearing men. Christianity was and is the supreme faith for all mankind – and they knew that. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, were not practiced here for good reason. You are interpreting the Constitution to mean something that it doesn’t because obviously our founders preached, believed and taught that belief in and prayer to God was the only way we could ever have a prosperous and blessed life in these United States. Read up on your history!

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The Declaration is not law, or did you learn that ever? FYI we are not in the 1700’s anymore. We are a diverse, multicultural nation where many faiths coexist. Live with that

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

And, rightfully, the Constitution allows for people to be fools as well. If they want to believe in the tooth fairy, they can. The government cannot interfere with that. No one is “required” to believe in any certain religion.

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Thank you for finally realizing that people have the right to practice whatever religion they choose. Maybe now you’ll stop whining about all faiths coming together

Chris

You’ve lied sir. The only place where God is mentioned in the Constitution is when it gives the date as ‘Year of the Lord”. Giving a date in such a manner was a matter of custom and NOT necessarily one of belief.

You have lied and been caught out. Admit your sin.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“You’ve lied sir. The only place where God is mentioned in the Constitution is when it gives the date as ‘Year of the Lord”.”

And you don’t even see the contradiction in that. Do you make it a habit talking outta both sides of your mouth.

So you just made a false accusation against me. You have been caught by your own words. Would you like to confess your sin and repent?

You also lies about the giving of the date as a matter of custom. Need to do a little homework there sonny. If you do, you’ll find that’s not true. For example, the DOI which mentions God four times does not say that. So much for your “custom”. If you do your homework you’ll find it is there for a specific reason.

That said, even if that were not the case, the FACT is Jesus IS mentioned. So you are the one who lied.

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

I had a chuckle on that one….reality bites, hah.

RealityBites

Exactly which word of the First Amendment is too hard for you?

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

The First Amendment was written with the notion that the Christian faith is supreme in truth and honor. You know, unlike Islam which could prove to be fatal to the US and Trump is wise to start tracking them better – they can be vicious. Look at it this way, would you rather live in the middle east where Islam reigns and where conflict/wars are the norm or the US which was founded upon Christianity?

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Let me help you here: Islamic extremist is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Let me remind you that you didn’t answer my question. No, Islamic extremism is nothing more than devoted followers obeying their very harsh and demanding god. Islam does nothing good for the condition of mankind and in fact brings fear and oppression.

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Yet the Arab world gave us a lot of the math and science we still use today

Joshua 1:9

The self-proclaimed evangelical Christians that had attended this meeting did not use this as a means to witness to anyone there. This was nothing more than a Unity Lovefest. Be prepared to see a lot more of these meetings in the very near future. The Bible says that many will come in the name of Jesus and will try to lead us astray. Leading us to believe we are all on the same team, trying to “Make America Great Again” is certainly appealing to many, especially to those on the right. And it is those on the right that, for the most part, are evangelical Christians, waiting to be led astray. So many forked tongues at this meeting.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Just when exactly did God decide to share His omniscience with you? If there was but one who did you’ve just born false witness against a Brother. Have you NO fear of God? Do you not know what God says about those who speak falsely against the Brethren?

Moreover, you show your Biblical ignorance for God says His Word will never return void but always accomplish his purposes. That was so even when Satan quoted God to twist it for His own tempting of Christ.

You claim, “So many forked tongues at this meeting.” Are you speaking of those “evangelical Christians” waiting to be led astray? If so, who exactly was this and be specific with exactly how they spoke with a forked tongue.

Or stand guilty of being a false prophet yourself.

Joshua 1:9

You can alter this meeting in your mind however you wish it to be. You may look at it as a group of evangelicals purposing this meeting to be nothing more than an opportunity to witness. But God knows the truth. And to Christians who are watching the signs of the end times it is easy to see what is really happening.
They were all together sharing fellowship under the banner of “unity”. The Bible tells us that it is wrong to embrace other religions and beliefs. All those in attendance were embracing other beliefs and religions. They embraced each other, held hands as they prayed to each other’s gods. They (even the self-proclaimed evangelicals) showed much ungodly tolerance towards the other non-Christians and their gods throughout that meeting. Coming out of the meeting, several of the evangelicals said, “The important thing about all of this is that we all work together to promote unity under our new government.” That does not sound very much like an evangelical Christian response. The Bible tells us that in these times there will be many who will come in the name of Jesus and will try to lead us astray. This article has given us a list of a handful of those who will do so. God is not in “unity” with any false gods or those who follow them.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

That’s right, God Knows the truth. And you have NO idea what the motives were of those you accused. But I guess it’s easier to throw it back at me that to confess and repent.

Again your faux omniscience fails you because I’m watching the signs of the End Times and it’s not easy for me to see into their hearts and minds.

I saw no banner of “unity”. Another mindreading exercise I guess. I also saw no embracing of those who were Christian towards other religions and beliefs. Another false accusation. I’m sure Paul would be pleased with your characterization of him when he went into Areopagus.

And so you end your diatribe with further accusations against Brethren. Something you have repeatedly done already. That is called “practicing lawlessness”.

You might wanna checkout Matt. 7:21-23 and keep in mind that Jesus speaks of those who will call Him “Lord” to His face.

I’ll pray that God open yours eyes to your sin.

Joshua 1:9

I am not interested in arguing with you here. You have been nothing but argumentative with several people on here throughout this article. I am also not interested in your blatant sarcasm of claiming me to be a mindreader or having God share His omniscience with me. The Bible tells us to be watchful for those who try to lead us astray. They will be the ones we most think we can trust. Anyone who shares worship and religious fellowship in the way these people did is not show any type of Christian lifestyle.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

No, I can see that. You’re much more interested in throwing your fiery darts and continuing to practice your sin, again, rather than confess and repent of your sin.

Another false accusation. Thankfully, my OP and other replies are right there in Black & White for all to see. Nothing argumentative about them at all.

My characterization of you being a mindreader and exercising faux omniscience was not sarcasm. It was stating a fact from your own words and giving you an opportunity to confess and repent of your sin. Instead you react just like the typical Poser by hurling more fiery darts.

And you have the audacity to make those accusations against those pastors who attended this event. A clear violation of the COMMAND from Jesus in John 7:24.

RealityBites

He thrives on it but when asked to back up his claim he goes nuts

Joshua 1:9

Well, when people prefer to be known by their first name, middle initial, and last name it shows they are narcissistic and believe that only their opinion is important, and all others must bow. I do not bow.

RealityBites

Not to mention when he is challenged he takes his problems to a whole new level

Sven

You must be some lesbo btch, the way you troll Christian blogs. You sleazy btches just love to spew hate. Vulgar and dirty and fat.

RealityBites

Yeah he loves to be laughed at methinks

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Oh you will bow one day! You just keep on trash-talking the children of God and store up your rewards.

You’re an embarrassment to your handle and there is nothing bold or courageous about your behavior.

HpO

True that: “Paul went into Areopagus and preached the Gospel amongst the people and their many other gods.”. But that wasn’t why Evangelicals were there yesterday at Washington National Cathedral. That you can’t Holy Spirit-discern the radical difference, says a lot about your religion, Royce.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’m amazed by the number of people on here who actually must think that God has shared His omniscience with them. How fortunate you must be to know why others do what they do.

That you can’t discern that to be sin shows just how Holy-Spirit discerning you are and that says a lot about your religion.

Darryl Zufelt

Terrible Anti-God in the services for sure, for NO ONE cam come to God except through Jesus CHrist!

RealityBites

First Amendment: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion OR prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof. Nice to know President Trump respects the diversity of this nation

Darryl Zufelt

Check your history regarding our founding fathers on what they said about God through Jesus Christ, they always favored Christianity. The never others to accept it but they themselves practiced it. Check and you see there are more Christian churches in this nation more than Any other religion. Without via Jesus Christ this country would be doomed to fail as Israel has failed and received God’s wrath when they accepted other religions and their false gods!!!

RealityBites

So just because there’s a church on every corner or so it seems then no one else should be allowed to practice the religion of their choice in this country? WOW that pesky First Amendment must really offend

4thJohn

Just show me ONE Muslim or Sikh or Hindu Temple that would invite a Christian to pray in Jesus’ name. I thought so,

RealityBites

Show me why that would matter in an INTERFAITH (key word there) service. If the fact that there is more than one religion recognized in this diverse nation bothers you, then you’ve got the issue

Oboehner

Two or three depending.

RealityBites

So the recognition of more than one religion upsets you. Got it

Oboehner

More assumptions based on nothing, got it.

RealityBites

Truth bothers people I know

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Really, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” was included so as not to repeat what they had just come from in England. In other words, a government run religion. Not that the government couldn’t practice and make laws according to Christianity, because they obviously DID! Because they were CHRISTIANS!

RealityBites

You forget that the religious “laws” in the colonies were abolished when the Constitution was ratified

Oboehner

You forget the constitutional government system was based on a biblical one.

RealityBites

Obviously it bothers you that religious freedom is guaranteed for all, not just those who practice the “right” religion

Oboehner

Obviously you assume too much.

RealityBites

Obviously people have problems with other religions in this country. That much is more than obvious with the constant complaining

Ginger

There are few pastors out there that teach the Word of God the way scripture should be taught. Line-by-line, chapter-by-chapter with clarity, nor are people encouraged to study for themselves. From Genesis to Revelation. Babylon is building roots.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 24 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolvers. [KJV]

Darryl Zufelt

What would God through Jesus Christ say about this? He got pretty angry when the Jews paid attention to other religions!

http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

Amen!

Grace Kim Kwon

Politicians. If America does not quest to evangelize and educate mankind with Christianity as written in her birth certificate but just aims mere co-existence with everything false, the evil will become dominant anyway and the human rights abuses and corrosions in the world will not end, against America’s founding purposes and American dreams. Hopefully the anti-Trump things will keep Mr. Trump humble, but the USA has no hope if the nation does not return to Jesus Christ. The West and its mental slaves blaspheme too much. Jesus is the Saviour of the world. He alone is the Way and the Truth and the Life. ( John 4 and 14)

Trilemma

I don’t see Christianity written in America’s birth certificate.

HpO

Neither do I. Grace Kim Kwon is being silly trying reprocess one of the zillion Religious Right talking points, is all.

Grace Kim Kwon

Mayflower Compact declares Americans would live for God and Declaration of Independence and national anthems and currency trust in God to protect and bless Americans. US Constitutions are mere classroom rules.

HpO

FYI – “Did the Bible influence the ‘founding fathers (of America),’ or did they simply find it useful for illustrating and bolstering their own ideas gleaned from other sources? The Bible’s use throughout the founding era, and especially the revolutionary period, suggests the latter.” (Gregg Frazer’s review of Daniel Dreisbach’s Reading the Bible with the Founding Fathers (Oxford University Press, 2016), The Gospel Coalition, January 18, 2017)

Grace Kim Kwon

The entire Western civilization has been always influenced by the Holy Bible. That’s why you guys rejected Roman and Greek and other pagan junks and converted to Christianity. Both Greece and Italy are a Christendom. Anything good and excellent came from Christianity, as the quality of conscience determines the man’s life.

Trilemma

The Mayflower compact was not the birth certificate of America. The Mayflower compact was for a small area in Massachusetts and was not accepted by the whole country. The Puritans wanted to create a theocracy. 70 years later this theocracy resulted in the Salem witch trials that resulted in the deaths of 20 people falsely accused of witchcraft. That’s the sort of thing you get with a Christian theocracy. The historian George Lincoln Burr said, “the Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered.”

This event contributed to the founder’s intent to not create a theocracy. So they created a government that was not founded on the Christian religion. The Declaration of Independence is the birth certificate of America and does not mention Jesus, Christ, or Christianity. If American had become a theocracy, we would be executing people convicted of homosexuality today instead of witchcraft. Thank God that America was not founded on the Christian religion.

Grace Kim Kwon

Yes, they were all Christian. Americans were raised to be civilized by the Church. Christian Britain birthed the USA and the Church raised her. Americans are mere illiterate savages if they had no church. You guys under-estimate Christianity, despising what is familiar. Western civilization is nothing apart from Christianity as man is nothing apart from his conscience and his parents and his education. Today’s Westerners try to ignore Christianity only because they want to kill human babies and practice homosexuality and sent men into women’s washrooms all they want. A shameful civilization. Poor your noble ancestors.

Trilemma

Was the Spanish Inquisition civilized Christian behavior? Were the Salem witch trials civilized Christian behavior? Was the American Revolutionary War where Christians killed their fellow Christians by the thousands civilized Christian behavior? Was the American Civil War where Christians killed their fellow
Christians by the hundreds of thousands civilized Christian behavior?

Grace Kim Kwon

Men do wrong time to time, but the Christian West was different from all pagans; it mostly contributed to the world by bringing into the world the copies of the Holy Bible, universal literacy, charity system, medicine threfore everyone’s longevity, rule of the laws, and church music. No people of yesteryears were baby-killing pervs like the secular moderners. You have no rights to bash your own white Christian ancestors. Whatever they did, they were far better than you regarding morality. Stop blaspheming, killing the babies, and forcing homosexuality first, and then say something about other groups of people on earth.

Grace Kim Kwon

Both paganisms and Western secularisms commit human rights abuses. Mankind need the Christ’s Gospel to get saved and Christian education to be free and become civilized.

HpO

About that, Grace Kim Kwon – your speaking off-topic of “Mankind need(ing) the Christ’s Gospel to get saved and Christian education to be free and become civilized” – are you saying that you know whereof you speak? That you’re a living product of the success of the evangelism/civilization syncretism in Korea? But also, more validatingly, that you have the living words of Jesus and His 1st apostles and disciples on record as the basis and precedent for that mixed heavenly/worldly approach to the success of Christianity in Korea?

For I can just see you now in a movie based on this seriously weird but apparently true story: “From 1885 to 1940 … in Korea … (doing) ‘civilizing’ (civilization) and ‘mission’ (evangelization) … American Methodist missionary women undertook mission work in three major areas: education, medicine, and evangelism. They believed that education was a way to liberate Korean women from the bondage of oppression and further, to create the best leadership in Korean society. They encouraged Korean women to study in educational institutions, especially in higher educational institutions to become future leaders. Providing an effective medium to connect missionary women to Korean women, American Methodist women took care of the poor classes of women who were sick and shunned and they cultivated professionals for medical work. American Methodist women’s mission work, through educational and medical work, contributed to the liberation of Korean women and continued to keep its characteristic of ‘civilization for evangelization’ in their mission work.” (Yoon C. Insun, “Civilizing Mission for Women: American Methodist Missionary Women and Social Change in Korea, 1885-1940”, Ph.D. dissertation, Drew University, 2008)

Grace Kim Kwon

Yes, American Christians brought Bibles and Christianity into much parts of Asia. Western Christians brought Bibles, public literacy, hospitals, orphanages, and much more into the world. The world should be grateful about it. Western Methodists ( all the manliners for that matter) back then were not pervs back then. Something started going seriously wrong after they started ordaining women and treating colored people and sexually sinful people together in the same category.

HpO

So, correct me if I’m wrong, that’s your way of answering, “Yes”, to my question, “are you saying that you know whereof you speak?”

And that’s a “Yes” to “That you’re a living product of the success of the evangelism/civilization syncretism in Korea?”

But that’s a “No” to “more validatingly, that you have the living words of Jesus and His 1st apostles and disciples on record as the basis and precedent for that mixed heavenly/worldly approach to the success of Christianity in Korea?”

Thought so.

Grace Kim Kwon

I can’t say because I did not grow up in Korea. Civilizations and nations have sustaining morality; some are more like Christian values while others less overlap. There have been always barbaric practices everywhere such as child-prostitution and abuse of women, which all Christian missionaries worked to abolish. As Christianity becomes dominant, much of its values is adopted; the Christian West did most of the hard works for the entire planet.

The basics are simple; Truth must be pursued unconditionally, all humans are equal before God, only one man and one woman marry as a couple, everyone must have the God-given freedom, everyone has rights to pursue individual happiness, education must be available to all so that everyone could read the Holy Bible, and so on. The noble ideas are solely from the Biblical Christendom.

It is tragic today’s secularism pushes unconditional immorality. Freedom was established for following God, not for enduring the atheists’ blasphemies or supporting other people’s abnormal depravity or paying for infanticide.

Grace Kim Kwon

Success of Christianity in Korea would be ascribed to their prayer life. They pray a lot. Really a lot. Praying for themselves and for homeland and for North Korea. They have no problem defending the Holy Bible. I think fervent prayer life is the key to Christianity’s success in South Korea. Like in all rich secular nations, the conversion rate is being stagnant as the population growth is, and young people are tamed with entertainment and mimic the West as always, but the family ties and patriotism seem strong and look healthy. Koreans eat dogs and I think that’s a national problem.

Grace Kim Kwon

It’s observations, HpO. The Church abolishes barbarisms everywhere she enters – logical and natural occurances as the converts increase. I didn’t grow up in South Korea and I can’t tell. What Christianity brings everyone is this: the copies of the Holy Bible, the Gospel message for salvation, quest for objective truth, charity, universal literary education. medicine, human rights, freedom, equality, classic music, and rule of the laws. Pre-christian societies are similar in absense of these. Jesus commanded His followers to evangelize and educate everyone.

Grace Kim Kwon

Christianity is forever incompatible with sexual immorality. The Western world should never have placed colored peoples and sexually depraved population in the same category. The racism has no end in sight. And the West demands the world unconditional support of destructive sexual immorality. Slavery hasn’t ended either. The West does it because they think they can get away with anything just because they are rich and powerful and think every Earthling has to obey them or something though they are acting like Sodomites.

Western civilization was noble and respectable only when it adhered Christianity. The West has no other morality. Rich people seek warped amusement by bending poor people’s clean conscience; submission to Sodomic West is a disgrace as a human being. Christless West only blasphemes Christianity and forces decadence and finances infanticide. The West needs Christianity for the truth, salvation, morality, and honor. The West needs Christian missionaries.

HpO

Grace Kim Kwon, please provide relevant, pertinent bible chapters and verses – not merely subjective social and cultural observations. Otherwise, the following statements coming from you without any biblical references cited, can only prove that there are no words of Jesus and His 1st apostles and disciples on record that can be used as a basis, precedent or justification for both evangelizing and civilizing nations – because there just aren’t any!

(1) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Mankind need the Christ’s Gospel to get saved and Christian education to be free and become civilized.”

(2) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Western civilization was noble and respectable only when it adhered Christianity.”

(3) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “The West needs Christianity for the truth, salvation, morality, and honor.”

(4) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Western Christians brought Bibles, public literacy, hospitals, orphanages, and much more into the entire world.”

(5) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “The Church abolishes barbarisms everywhere she enters – logical and natural occurances as the converts increase. … What Christianity brings everyone is this: the copies of the Holy Bible, the Gospel message for salvation, quest for objective truth, charity, universal literary education. medicine, human rights, freedom, equality, classic music, and rule of the laws. … Jesus commanded His followers to evangelize and educate everyone.”

(6) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Civilizations and nations have sustaining morality; some are more like Christian values while others less overlap. … As Christianity becomes dominant, much of its values is adopted; the Christian West did most of the hard works for the entire planet. … The noble ideas are solely from the Biblical Christendom.”

(7) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “If America does not quest to evangelize and educate mankind with Christianity as written in her birth certificate but just aims mere co-existence with everything false, the evil will become dominant anyway and the human rights abuses and corrosions in the world will not end, against America’s founding purposes and American dreams. … Jesus is the Saviour of the world. He alone is the Way and the Truth and the Life. ( John 4 and 14)”

(8) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Mayflower Compact declares Americans would live for God and Declaration of Independence and national anthems and currency trust in God to protect and bless Americans.”

(9) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Americans were raised to be civilized by the Church. Christian Britain birthed the USA and the Church raised her. Americans are mere illiterate savages if they had no church. … Western civilization is nothing apart from Christianity as man is nothing apart from his conscience and his parents and his education.”

(10) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? – “the Christian West has been different from all pagan civilizations; it mostly contributed to the world by bringing into the world the copies of the Holy Bible, universal literacy, charity system, quests for objective truth, medicine threfore everyone’s longevity, human rights, freedom, equality, rule of the laws, and church music. Christian Westerners saved billions and improved the lives of most Earthlings.”

(11) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “The entire Western civilization has been always influenced by the Holy Bible. … Both Greece and Italy have been a Christendom. Anything good and excellent came from Christianity, as the quality of conscience determines the man’s life.”

Grace Kim Kwon

Read all of the Holy Bible to see how much your white Christian ancestors took all the true noble things from it. The white people have not been a Christendom for 2,000 years by a mere accident. You wouldn’t notice anything if you didn’t read the Origin – the living Word of God. You need the Holy Bible to stay civilized.

HpO

Seriously, Grace Kim Kwon, all I’ve been asking for are just very specific, on-topic, “relevant, pertinent bible chapters and verses” in order to understand and appreciate where you’re coming from. But now, by directing me to “Read all of the Holy Bible … read the Origin – the living Word of God”, you’re telling me, “your white Christian ancestors took all the true noble things from … the Holy Bible to stay civilized” – not selectively, mind, but in its entirety?! From cover to cover, from Genesis to Revelation – all of it?! You mean like these ones …?!

(1) Exodus 23:19 (KJV) – The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.

(3) Leviticus 25:44-45 (KJV) – Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

(4) Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV) – If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

(5) Deuteronomy 23:1 (KJV) – He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

(6) Deuteronomy 25:11-12 (KJV) – When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

You must read everything. 1) means God’s laws of justice and mercy. No demonic worship or witchcraft. 2) God tells us to be pure and moral and fair. No perversion or double-mindedness allowed or signified in our possession. 3) A picture that tells that there is freedom for God’s people but non-believers stay enslaved – a spiritual reality. Slavery has been a common practice of economy in a power-oriented illiterate world. Christians abolished slavery by carrying out God’s will and giving mankind literacy. 4) Execution of adult traitors who put millions of people in danger. Read Samuel chapter 1-2 as well. Many civilized nations still carry out this practice. 5) signifies that the inaccessibility to God by human means will be cleared by Jesus. Read Isaiah chapter 53 also. 6) Public indecency is to be banned regardless reasons. 7) A curse on those who do not walk the right path.

HpO

Grace Kim Kwon, there’s good thing that you’ve done here, but also a bad thing. The bad thing is you’ve just added 3 more questions below to the list of 11 questions so far unanswered by you. So you owe me answers to a total of 14 questions! – including:

(12) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “God tells us to be pure and moral and fair. No perversion or double-mindedness allowed or signified in our possession.”

(13) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Slavery has been a common practice of economy in a power-oriented illiterate world. Christians abolished slavery by carrying out God’s will and giving mankind literacy.”

(14) What’s the scriptural basis for this statement of yours? “Public indecency is to be banned regardless reasons.”

The good news is at least you’ve come up with a specific bible reference in the following statement, even though it has nothing to do with the current discussion that led to those 11 questions of mine. But beggars can’t be choosers, so let’s just go with it, as follows, and I quote:

“Execution of adult traitors who put millions of people in danger. Read Samuel chapter 1-2 as well. Many civilized nations still carry out this practice.”

Alright, let’s start with these “Many civilized nations”. Name me at least 2 countries that “still carry out this practice” based upon “Samuel chapter 1-2”, then give a brief historical account of how that happened.

Grace Kim Kwon

12) The rest of the chapters. Read all of the Holy Bible. No picking and choosing. The basics of all interpretations.

You just need to read the rest of the chapters to interpret the verses you listed instead of your atheists’ manual junks. USA and China. In 1 Samuel chapter 1-4, the wayward priest valued his evil adult sons more than the Lord, and the nation lost the war and many died partially because of them. He should have carried out the law against his criminal sons to spare the nation.

Sven

As good citizens, Christians should show tolerance and respect to all citizens, including those of different religions, or no religion. However, attending any religious event where there are representatives of Islam, a religion whose holy book commands Muslims to kill all infidels, is completely wrong. Haven’t we learned a few lessons about this vile religion in recent years? When you walk through the airport holding your shoes in your hands, ask yourself: Which religion has made it dangerous – or at least annoying – to take a plane from one place to another? Which religion’s terrorism led to the creation of a new Cabinet department? Which religion has killed millions of people since its very beginning, and is still doing it enthusiastically?

Robert

Romans 16: 17-20 is why christians should stay away from joining in such worship services. Services like this can confuse the newly converted into wondering perhaps all religions lead to God.

http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

Biblically seditious religious pluralism, thanks to the 18th-century founders replacing the First Commandment with the First Amendment:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH….” (1 Timothy 3:16)

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your [PERSONAL, STATE, WHITE, SENATE, or] house [of REPRESENTATIVES], neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed [SUCH AS PARTICIPATING IN THEIR PRAYER SERVICES]is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 1:7-11)

For more, see blog article “National Religious Freedom Day aka Celebrating the Founders’
Violation of the First Commandment.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Blog and search on title.

Then online Chapter 11 “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 11.

Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hands sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

Grundune

Is your work to get the U.S. Constitution abolished in favor of a dictatorship making any headway? Or are you just bad mouthing the Constitution for fun and profit?

David Hodges

Are you still refusing to acknowledge that WeThePeopleism equals Baal worship?

Grundune

Are you still refusing to explain what you are talking about. All sounds made up to me. I know you and Weiland are stuck on this, but most of us prefer to stick with the teachings in the Bible and “WeThePeopleism” isn’t mentioned that much in the Bible.

http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

Warning!

Grundune is a Mormon who rejects the Christ of the Bible and the
Word of God (Psalm 19:7-11; John 1:1-3, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16; 2 John 1:7-11; etc.) and whose Doctrine and Covenants demand he defend the Constitution as divinely inspired (D&C 101:80, etc.), much the same as with the Book of Mormon. He knows if the Constitution is exposed for the biblically seditious document it is, that the entire Mormon house of cards comes tumbling down.

He also rejects that Christ is our (ONLY) King (who he likes to depict as a dictator) now, despite a plethora of New Testament passages that prove otherwise. See blog article “The Kingdom is Not of the World But in the World.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Blog and search on title.

Tragically, many Christians are more inclined to follow Doctrine and Covenants than they are the Bible when it comes to the Constitution.

Grundune

By accusing me of depicting Christ as a dictator, Weiland has absolutely lost his reasoning.

He has been pushing to have the U.S. Constitution abolished so a mortal
Christian man (it has to be a man according to him) can take over the country and without the restrictions placed on him by the U.S. Constitution, he could correct all our problems, like Muslim immigration, lesbianism, etc. In fact a mortal Christian man with dictatorial powers is Weiland’s solution to all problems that have plagued us as a free people.

Actually, Weiland has secretly shifted his position. He is now insinuating that it is Christ who he wants installed as our leader to correct all the problems we have created as a free people under a Constitution.

That begs the question, why is Weiland working to abolish the U.S. Constitution?

Christ doesn’t need his help to assume power when He comes again. Christ will come in power to rule and reign by His own authority.

So why is Weiland campaigning so hard to abolish the U.S. Constitution? Is he getting paid to do this? If so, by whom? Who wants the U.S. Constitution abolished now?

Ax2root

HORRID BLASHEMY!!!!

Interfaith religious demonic scat.

The Islamic antichrist religion Quran reading was an implicit curse against Christians and Jews and the TRUE GOD

Gregory Alan of Johnson

The Constitution is secular and so is the “gov’t”, which is owned/controlled by the Vatican.

Fr Agathon

One world religion in preparation for the coming of the Antichrist. Christ said: I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life…….

Grundune

That right, the framers of the U.S. Constitution didn’t outlaw all religions except a certain brand of Christianity, so they are responsible for “biblically seditious religious pluralism”.

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