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Got the call Friday from local dealer they've got a few in stock to come look at. Can't argue with the cars performance aspect, and its impressive numbers it puts down, but $34,000 out the door for nav, and Recaros? 27k sticker without nav, and Recaros

Seems a bit overpriced if the dealer is asking $34k. Online a Full leather Leather + Nav Package (202A) for me shows $28,9k

One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two

Same reason for me. I'm waiting a couple months, to decide between the ST and upcoming mk7. Currently trying to trade the mkv plus cash for a v6 b7 A4 Avant.

Plus I thought I mentioned I have a stock mkv that would get traded in toward one, at 13k$ and I have $8k saved, and finance the rest. My issue was merely the point of the attempted over charge. My local Subaru dealer did the same thing with the BRZ when it came out. Told me the average price they sold them for created a perceived demand 5 grand above msrp, and they would not play ball. Even pulled up asking prices from other dealers, and FT86forum and they didn't care. Wlaked and I'm glad I did. I think in the long run I would have been miserable with the BRZ.

I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).

I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).

Good post. I plan to test drive 5 cars this fall: MS3, WRX, Focus ST, Verano Turbo, GTI. I WANT to like the WRX the best, because i like the idea of AWD, but we'll see if I can deal with the downgrade in the interior vs the ST, Verano, and GTI. In terms of price, loaded the way i want, they're all going to be similarly priced, except the MS3 which will be quite a bit cheaper. Although, in that case I'd probably budget to spend $1k+ getting the hideous red interior replaced with leather aftermarket...

This whole thread is borked because people are comparing the OPs GET RAPED price plus tax, title, license, and extra rape fees to the MSRP on the competition. The ST is not comparable on price to the R, Evo, or anything else in that range.

This whole thread is borked because people are comparing the OPs GET RAPED price plus tax, title, license, and extra rape fees to the MSRP on the competition. The ST is not comparable on price to the R, Evo, or anything else in that range.

That's why I ignored the Mustang posts mostly. 34k sure, but add the rape fees not the same.

I'm just gonna re-re-post this to help filter out the OMG$34KWTF! crowd.

I am extremely interested in getting an ST, but will wait until the second year of production simply because I'm paranoid of teething issues with any new model.

By the time I'm really ready to make a move it will com down to two vehicles---Focus ST or Mk7 GTI.

Originally Posted by worked_xr

I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).

Originally Posted by Chris Stack

I often pass slow-moving Priuii on the right, my engine clubbing 9000 baby seals per minute while I do so.

My connection to the ST is a bit more involved than just being an enthusiast and buyer now. I'm also currently involved in the development of the North American ST Owners Club (NASTOC) with several others from around the country, as a non-profit organization dedicated to enhancing and fostering fellow ST owners' and fans' enjoyment of the cars. You can check out our website at http://www.nastoc.org/Home.html, though our facebook page is currently much more active (https://www.facebook.com/NASTOClub). We post stuff like updates on production stuff, ST related news, club news and info, etc. if anyone is interested.

Sorta on the discount note, I think VW also honors invoice pricing for being SCCA members....I already got invoice price when I bought my car through work, but its not until I joined SCCA that I found this out...

My connection to the ST is a bit more involved than just being an enthusiast and buyer now. I'm also currently involved in the development of the North American ST Owners Club (NASTOC) with several others from around the country, as a non-profit organization dedicated to enhancing and fostering fellow ST owners' and fans' enjoyment of the cars. You can check out our website at http://www.nastoc.org/Home.html, though our facebook page is currently much more active (https://www.facebook.com/NASTOClub). We post stuff like updates on production stuff, ST related news, club news and info, etc. if anyone is interested.

You'll be hearing from us then, for sure

We've a cool ST project we've started with Ford and Ken Block and would definitely like to work with you guys if you're up for it. And FWIW I'm in Sarasota half of each month

Why would I buy a .:R when the whole appeal was because of the AWD and vr6. The golf R is an abomination.

the new R is in every single way a better automotive car then the R32s were.

i find it interesting that some in this thread are talking about the R being the performance bargain compared to ANY other car. that just seems a bit wild to me ....

Originally Posted by VigorousZX

In their unquenchable thirst for world domination, the aristocrats tax peoples time so as to keep its cattle viewed populations forever in servitude. They have gone as far as brainwashing and banning the western world that marrying your first cousin is forbidden and results in retardation... and thus have disturbed human evolutionary densities because broken families are easier to control and will better fall into debt slavery.

I own a Golf R and I'm going to go test drive a Focus ST once they become available ... I'd like to see how much better or equivalent it is to a GTI/R ...

PS: Overboost sounds interesting on the ST

Check your local dealers about the ST ASAP. They've been hitting dealer floors for the last 2 weeks. We just got one locally (here in Florida) today, but you should have 'em in your area much sooner the closer you are to Michigan.

Check your local dealers about the ST ASAP. They've been hitting dealer floors for the last 2 weeks. We just got one locally (here in Florida) today, but you should have 'em in your area much sooner the closer you are to Michigan.

I went in today, they said they will have some by the end of September.