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Why Men Are Afraid of MGTOW

"Stop believing that everyone lives the exact same way and therefore you have to make these stupid assumptions to write off anyone who you feel like is threatening your reality. No."

As a MGTOW, men get angry at you because they're too enamored with social status, which is in no small amount based around their relationship status and/or how many chicks they bang.

And women even more so than men assume there's something wrong with you because there's no way (or they should be no way) a man can go MGTOW - not unless there's something deeply wrong with him (the assumption is that a man with access to women is wise enough to keep his mouth shut if he knows what's good for him) - and women are also upset because, to put it irreverently, you can't be harvested and you may give other men ideas, who then also become impossible to harvest. You're shrinking the market as a MGTOW and this becomes relevant when celebrities and high status men also decide to lead the MGTOW lifestyle, as some of them have.

In the near future, and you can already see this with the so-called "trad-thot" phenomenon on YT, more and more women will declare themselves to be traditionalist or socially conservative while they aren't - it's an instinctual, adaptive strategy. This is the female chameleon, radically switching positions and personal interests, disregarding principles or former loyalties, shape shifting and becoming someone else, in order to attract a mate.

“When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in.“ – Robert Howard

In essence MGTOW means not committing to a woman. The original Swiss Guard, or monks or many a scholar and mercenary were or are all "MGTOW". In that sense there's no problem. It's trad enough. Celibacy always beats promiscuity too.

Don't get me wrong: if you have found an alternative, fine, go for it or stick with it, Chad. But for men without an alternative swamped in the Becky's it's the right decision. I see MGTOW/the manosphere as a necessary tool to bring about something remotely resembling normalcy again while maintaining one's own sanity in clown world - a revolt of the men is required. It's like a tank, it doesn't have to be very traditional, it needs to crush everything in its path.

“When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in.“ – Robert Howard

A social psychology professor once told us that if an individual does not participate in a group's general behavior or actions, it will, at the back of their minds, be seen as a direct provokation. So perhaps even if you choose the most innocent lifestyle, herd mentality is bound to make quite a few people upset by default.

Because they're creepy, pathetic emasculated losers who are just as bad as feminists if not worse? Real men respect women, and real men want to have a wife and kids.

I would actually argue MGTOWs deserve disdain far more than feminists do. I can at least agree with feminists that women have lacked fulfilling and important roles in society for a long time (mainly thanks to Christianity), I just don't think much of their obsession with solving this by becoming men and competing with men, and rebelling against their most biological functions. I don't think modern society really allows for us to revive the healthier, fulfilling and prominent roles women had in pagan societies, namely keepers of the knowledge, key religious figures in the community, practitioners of magic, traditional medicine and midwifery and essential roles in matters of diplomacy and forming allegiances. This is what feminists miss, but at least they see that there is something severely lacking in modern society, something not giving their life meaning, they're just duped into "solutions" that aren't solutions at all.

MGTOWs, however, are just worthless, pathetic excuses for men who blame women for all their failures and defects. Men don't suffer as much as women do from the lack of these aforementioned traditional roles, they're naturally more industrious, risky a and ambitious and will find ways around it. MGTOWs have no one to blame for their problems but themselves. Also stating the obvious here but their "philosophy" of not being faithful, loyal or committed to any woman is completely at odds with healthy European values and traditions (and contrary to most if not all races' traditional values)

Elessar, let me turn the question around: What has being dumped, drained / dumped, drained / dumped, drained, ad infinitum, to do with Germanic preservationism? Or simply finding your own footing in the world? And yet that's our reality. Swallow this red pill, brah. I know it's super hard for a man in a serious relationship or when equipped with love goggles, being compromised that way - but you can't have traditionalism or nationalism without patriarchy first. A revolt of the men is the means, not the end. You do you, maybe you found a nawalt, but a few 100 million other men need to support their local patriarchy. And if you think of your own future you'd be well-advised to do exactly that, even if things look quite peachy right now.

There's no purpose to our efforts, either individually or collectively - as political, activist creatures or in any other capacity - without there being a patriarchial system in place first. Everything must end soon without patriarchy enforcing healthy norms, we have abundant proof of that, don't we? Civilization and nation (including the birth rate) without patriarchy are unsustainable - this is a fact, it can not be disputed - and it's the basis of my argument. Relationships are unsustainable in the West. Women are loyal and principled when their ingroup is loyal and principled. Which is the case for the Orient. Our nations oppose and reject such notions, hence we're dying. Women don't care for personal loyalty by nature, they go for the best available option, the stronger horse - one day that may not be you, in fact, it's likely. And as soon as the going gets tough which it inevitably does at some point, there's no incentive, no reason at all, for a modern woman to stick around with you. It's the achilles' heel of our societies. Meaningful, lasting relationships are not the norm - under feminism they can only exist as long as a woman consents to the setup of the relationship - which is usually not very long, not long enough for children to become an option.

Originally Posted by Sigebrond

Real men respect women, and real men want to have a wife and kids.

Real men respect themselves (which is something women respect as well). This is not respecting yourself, this is capitulating. Modern women surely don't respect modern men, men who capitulate. Don't enter this one way street of cucking and orbiting and providing in exchange for little to nothing and a whole lot of grief. You're setting yourself up for disaster if you decide to play the game as long as the rules are made up by feminists and liberals. There's no real purpose to establish oneself in life either. And there's nothing masculine about losing half of your net worth, custody over the children and paying alimony. And then having servants of the state hunt you down very fast when you resist or are falsely accused of rape or stalking by an ex, still forcing you to obey to our enemies' laws. What does manliness mean if everything you are and worked for can be taken away from you in the blink of an eye because of a woman's whim or feminist thought police, with state backing? Being fleeced in a divorce court is not gonna make you feel manly. And nowadays living together with someone is legally equated with marriages, at least in some Germanic countries, if not all.

MGTOW don't want to have anything to do with all that, they smelled the coffee and know it's bad. You gotta be blissfully unaware to still jump into relationships in the current year.

Smart men realize that, under feminism, you can never have a woman. It's just your turn. Even your children aren't yours, they belong to the mother and the state - and they're being indoctrinated on a daily basis without you having any say in it. How is that for manliness? All that talk of manliness and trying to shame MGTOW isn't worthy anything then. Patriarchy enforcing monogamy (traditionalism) is the first requirement for Germanic survival, everything else is posturing or irrationial or, as explained in the video, a way to lay claim to social status - which is a mirage, as we are all playing by the same rules. Some of us have cards which are a bit better than those of other men but don't let that fool you into thinking everything will be okay, either for you or our nations. Just look at Trump: rich, influential, powerful. But even the American president is constantly attacked and, quite often, forced to bow down to the evil goddesses of feminism. No-one escapes the cult's demands.

It should be obvious to anyone that as long as this is the case we're not going to save anything, not our nation, not religion, not tradition not masculinity, nothing - right now we don't even have those things anymore, so what are we going to preserve? Our task is to destroy. To tear down our rotting home and completely replace it with a new structure.

“When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in.“ – Robert Howard

Never mind that it was the "patriarchy" that sold our countries and peoples to the (((banksters))).
Fuck your patriarchy.

MGTOW don't want to have anything to do with all that, they smelled the coffee and know it's bad. You gotta be blissfully unaware to still jump into relationships in the current year.

You're just inverting feminism and feeding the gender war. You dont even try to live a socalled "traditional" life. To the contrary, MGTOWs refuse EVERYTHING that comes even close to "traditional" and instead want to replace it with a misguided imagination of a "social order" that already marked the downfall of actual traditional life, ie the retarded version of 1900-50's American housewife propaganda.

It's interesting that men who simply decided to neither listen to feminism nor retarded internet freaks have no difficulty to find a woman and have a family. While the internet freaks of the manosphere (sic!) with their inversed feminist gender war retardism dont even want to see that there are enough women, but of course, they're just a "6", not a "10" (never mind that MGTOWs are only a 4 on that scale, but nevertheless want a 10, talking of outside the ligue LOL), go on about how women who proclaim themselves "traditional", already having 4+ kids, are just "thots playing trad" and what not. It is not possible for a woman to meet the wishful thinking criteria that went under the term "holy whore" a few decades back.

Sigh. It's all just really sad, to be quite honest. All I read is excuse after excuse as to why you can't get laid or find a qt. 3.14 aryan NatSoc girlfriend (they don't exist).
You have to be attractive in order to find a suitable mate. And newsflash: it doesn't mean you have to look like Brad Pitt. Women don't find incels and MGTOWs attractive. Women often change their minds/worldviews to suit those they find attractive. Simple as that. One becomes more unattractive the more they winge and whine on the internet, thus correlating with the deterioration of overall physique and satisfaction with life the longer they spend on the internet and not participating in real life. If you don't find it worthwhile to engage with real people IRL then don't complain; nobody respects the sore loser who blames others for their misfortunes, not even those aligned with your political pov. People despise whiners.

the stronger horse - one day that may not be you, in fact, it's likely.

Projecting much?
These sort of statements come from a position of deep-seated insecurity.

Originally Posted by Chlod

The original Swiss Guard, or monks or many a scholar and mercenary were or are all "MGTOW"

Very poor example. They performed a necessary (or not so necessary) function, sure. But to think you're on par with these sort of professions is downright larping. These folk weren't the ones consisting the bulk of society that's needed to reproduce and contribute towards the wellbeing of the nation at large; i.e. most men and women are commoners.

There's no purpose to our efforts, either individually or collectively - as political, activist creatures or in any other capacity - without there being a patriarchial system in place first.

You sound like a Communist.

I see you've given up and want to drag other men down this pit of misery (which doesn't have to exist if you don't want it to). This ideology you posses is rife with poison and robs other men (and women) from attaining personal and interpersonal development skills. Often these skills come from fighting or disagreeing with a partner and hopefully mending and understanding one another; another newsflash: relationships aren't always rosy and too often couples give up without a fight. If it doesn't work out, so be it, always more fish in the sea.

I'm not going start a 20 page debate with you about this cause I know you're not going change your mind. I also know you're going to want the final word so have at it. All I want is for you to be happy and healthy so that we can fight our common enemy together and not argue over meaningless shit. You don't have to have a gf or children to do so, even for your entire life. But don't widen the Gender War, it works in (((their))) favor.

The simple truth is a man would have to be a moron to get married these days or have kids with a woman.
The power balance is so skewed in favor of women that it's pointless. What man wants to be in a relationship
where the woman has all the power and he has none? All men had a relationship like that once and she's
called "mom". Its not attractive to a man to be in a matriarchal relationship where women "get around to you"
and where they have all the power in a relationship. Modern women aren't feminine they act like jewesses its like wonder
that men are walking away.