An interview with Bounkeo Lor

Prof. E. Allen Sorum
accompanied Rev. Bounkeo Lor to Hanoi, Vietnam to conduct a training session
from June 10-22, 2019. Prof. Sorum taught the Book of Isaiah and Pastoral
Counseling and Family Ministry for Missionaries. Rev. Lor taught dogmatics. The
schedule had them teaching for six hours a day Monday through Friday and for
three hours on Saturday. Half-way through this training session, Prof. Sorum
and Rev. Lor had this conversation.

Sorum: What are the special challenges that you face
as you administer the WELS training program for the Hmong pastors in Vietnam?

Lor: Our biggest challenge here is probably that the
translation of the Bible that most of our Hmong pastors have is not a faithful
translation. This translation was done by the Hmong Christian and Missionary
Alliance and by the Hmong Baptists. They translated the Bible from their own
doctrinal perspective. This means that their translation always talks about how
a person must approach God with good works. A person must help God to save
them. For example, the Bible most Hmong people have translates “justification”
to mean something like, “You have to work hard.” The translation gives the idea
that justification happens in a series of steps.

Another problem with this translation is that it presents
Hmong traditions as God’s Word. For example, the tradition of Hmong Christians
is that it is wrong to drink alcohol. So the Hmong Bible translates the word
“wine” with “juice.”

The translation that most Hmong Christians have does not
tell people the true teaching of the gospel.

Sorum: Has this translation made it difficult for our
students in this training session to understand the Book of Isaiah?

Lor: The Hmong translation of Isaiah has made it hard
to teach Isaiah. I must often correct our Bible’s translation of Isaiah before
I can translate what you have said about the words of Isaiah. The Hmong
translation makes it almost impossible for our people to see how Isaiah is
talking about Jesus. For example, in Isaiah 4:2, the prophet describes Jesus as
the Branch of the Lord that is beautiful. The Hmong translation doesn’t talk
about a branch but about trees. How can a Hmong person see Jesus in a passage
that says, “In that day trees of the Lord will be beautiful?”

Another example is in Isaiah, chapter 49:3. Isaiah says,
“You (singular) Israel (Jesus) are my servant.” The Hmong translation says,
“You (plural) Israelites are my servants.” This translation does not show
Christ. This translation damages the beauty of these Servant songs throughout
Isaiah.

Sorum: I understand why your students have had to
work extra hard to get the right meaning and God’s encouragement from their
Hmong translation of the Bible. You consistently take the time required to
explain to the students what Isaiah is actually saying. God will bless this so these
students can go back home to teach Isaiah and Christianity properly. What other
benefits do you see these students in our training session receiving?

Lor: Our training session on Isaiah has helped the students
in many ways. I think especially important is that our instruction has helped
our students learn how to interpret the Bible. We are talking about the law and
the gospel in Isaiah. This approach to studying Isaiah is totally new to them.
The law and the gospel is so clear in Isaiah. They are enjoying it very much. Also,
they did not understand how a prophecy by Isaiah can be partially fulfilled at
one time in history and then completely fulfilled in a later time in history.
For example, Isaiah is comforting the people of Israel by promising judgment
upon their enemies. But the final fulfillment of the judging of the Christians’
enemies will happen on the Last Day.

Another way that our teaching is helping these men is that
they are learning about how the Old Testament teaches God’s plan of salvation.
These men read their Bibles. They know the Bible stories. But no one explained
to them that all of the stories in the Old Testament show how God chose the
Jewish people and rescued a remnant of the Jewish people so God could give
Jesus to the world as a Savior.

I think also that the students have enjoyed learning about
how Isaiah organized his message. There is an outline to Isaiah. It is like a
plot. There are sections that talk about different things. We have learned
about the Four Servant Songs. We have talked about the different servants of
the Lord and especially the great Servant, Jesus. This is new for these men and they are
enjoying it very much. They are very eager to take what they have received from
the WELS training back to their people.

Sorum: Your fellow Hmong pastors have significant
challenges to their ministry. They need a faithful Bible translation and
faithful teaching materials. I know you are working hard to provide them
materials. You have translated many good materials into the Hmong language
including Luther’s Small Catechism. But in spite of the challenges these men
face, they are doing wonderful mission work. In the few years that you have
been bringing Lutheran training to the Hmong Fellowship Church (HFC), it has
grown tremendously. One of the leaders of the HFC told me that they now have
700 pastors and 200,000 members. That is incredible growth in a few years.

Lor: Since we have started this training for my Hmong
brothers, their church has grown very fast. This church is growing through the
pure teaching of the law and the gospel. Through our training sessions, these
pastors now have the ability to apply law and gospel in their sermons and in
their Bible teaching. This is the reason why their church has been growing
really fast in the last couple years.

Gospel centered training has also opened their eyes to see that it is not the law that motivates people. It is not the law that is the goal of their ministry. Now the people in the congregations understand their role as Christians. They participate more in their congregations. They are eager to share their faith. This is why their churches have been growing so fast in the last several years. I would ask my WELS fellow members to continue to pray for the HFC. This is a communist country. We do not know when the door will be closed. We now have an open door to preach the gospel. With our prayers and God’s help, these pastors will be able to train their own future leaders for the church even if the WELS will not be allowed to assist us. Based on the current situation, I don’t see any problems in the near future. I am very grateful to my WELS brothers and sisters for supporting this ministry.