I've watched teams practice while another team's music is playing many times, where you would swear that it could be their music. I think in watching these videos you've proven that both teams could interchange their music. I thought that Scott and Tessa's Mahler-Seasons had many areas where it appeared they were "right on" the music. I don't think having music that fits a different program proves that you do the same program every year, it only proves that there are many programs choreographed to similar rhythms and beats of music, as in those montages that people make for youtube. They lay any old piece of music over a video and it works perfectly. This proves that D/W and V/M either do the same program every year or neither of them does. Look again, I think your bias is showing...just saying.

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I'm sorry but I disagree. Of course, some steps or movements match up with other music, it is very normal. It isn't "normal" when 95% of a program fits perfectly with other music with different rhythms. If I look at TS's video I fully understand that those are not the music of the programs I'm looking at. Instead of those MC I might as well watch them without realizing that it is exchanged music.
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Thanks IcePrincess. I remember when someone did this with Michelle Kwan's programs and they pretty much all looked the same. It adds fuel to the argument that D&W are doing a waltz instead of a foxtrot. I think Marina fits the music to their skating instead of vice versa. That's why they have been able to easily switch programs the last few years at the last minute but still come out trained and in shape at their first outing... it's all more or less the same program. Last year they worked with Alex Wong and the big improvement that came out of that was the addition of bells to a move they had done at Skate America... adding the sound effect made it seem as though they hit the move right on the music. I guess this is the "tight with the music" that the ISU wants?

Mahler & Seasons do go very well for the first minute or so but then the difference becomes clear. It makes sense, in that both start as slow pieces of classical music. In the SD, where rhythm is so important, the difference is crystal clear. You could not mistake that foxtrot for the Waltz Goes On under any circumstances.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Of course, some steps or movements match up with other music, it is very normal. It isn't "normal" when 95% of a program fits perfectly with other music with different rhythms. If I look at TS's video I fully understand that those are not the music of the programs I'm looking at. Instead of those MC I might as well watch them without realizing that it is exchanged music.
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Well yes, I assumed you would disagree, but that doesn't make it true. Plus I'm sure that the V/M fans would not appreciate the way you have drawn such clear comparisons/likenesses to the Mahler-Seasons programs, in an effort to disparage another team.

Well yes, I assumed you would disagree, but that doesn't make it true. Plus I'm sure that the V/M fans would not appreciate the way you have drawn such clear comparisons/likenesses to the Mahler-Seasons programs, in an effort to disparage another team.

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Right, because no one has criticized Seasons as being a Mahler rehash....

Right, because no one has criticized Seasons as being a Mahler rehash....

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I see those comments everywhere on youtube it is annoying. In FDs teams will stick to their strength but what is interesting is that in the SD D/W are not following the prescribed dance style and that is because of the music choice and yet they still get high PCS?

Well yes, I assumed you would disagree, but that doesn't make it true. Plus I'm sure that the V/M fans would not appreciate the way you have drawn such clear comparisons/likenesses to the Mahler-Seasons programs, in an effort to disparage another team.

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But I have not done anything! DW did everything! I have not modified, cut or else the musics so as to make them fit! I did the same with TS! Many have criticized Seasons saying it was equal to Mahler, indeed, Mahler 2.0 .. so, what better way to see if it is true than to switch the musics? This is not to discredit a team to enhance another. This is only for show dates clearly visible to all. That's it.

But I have not done anything! DW did everything! I have not modified, cut or else the musics so as to make them fit! I did the same with TS! Many have criticized Seasons saying it was equal to Mahler, indeed, Mahler 2.0 .. so, what better way to see if it is true than to switch the musics? This is not to discredit a team to enhance another. This is only for show dates clearly visible to all. That's it.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Of course, some steps or movements match up with other music, it is very normal. It isn't "normal" when 95% of a program fits perfectly with other music with different rhythms. If I look at TS's video I fully understand that those are not the music of the programs I'm looking at. Instead of those MC I might as well watch them without realizing that it is exchanged music.
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Well yes, I assumed you would disagree, but that doesn't make it true. Plus I'm sure that the V/M fans would not appreciate the way you have drawn such clear comparisons/likenesses to the Mahler-Seasons programs, in an effort to disparage another team.

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To paraphrase one of the posters here whose comments I have found funny

But I have not done anything! DW did everything! I have not modified, cut or else the musics so as to make them fit! I did the same with TS! Many have criticized Seasons saying it was equal to Mahler, indeed, Mahler 2.0 .. so, what better way to see if it is true than to switch the musics? This is not to discredit a team to enhance another. This is only for show dates clearly visible to all. That's it.

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For me its clear if people wish to see Seasons is Mahler, they will. If they want gold for DW - they will and will see all new in D programs.
So everyone could choose what she (he) like more. We are not judges and this is good thing, we hve freedom to choose

For me its clear if people wish to see Seasons is Mahler, they will. If they want gold for DW - they will and will see all new in D programs.
So everyone could choose what she (he) like more. We are not judges and this is good thing, we hve freedom to choose

Not sure what the point of trolling the site of opposing users is...especially if you can't make your point. While the opening of seasons is definitely soft like others have said, once you get to the first lift, step sequence and twizzles the music is completely inappropriate for the choreography.

We have always accused DW to be the same in every program, saying that if you put another music does not change anything, just the costumes. Well, that's what I did. Last night, I began simply out of curiosity and to take away this doubt, but the doubt has materialized. So I decided to make these videos so as to show them to you and see what you think. I swapped the musics and programs of the past season with the current one, ditto for VM .. with the only difference that for the FD I used Mahler seen that is the object of criticism this year.

Davis & White - I have found that 95% (or something more) of all 4 programs fits perfectly.

Thanks for doing this it is really amusing. I can't get over the choreo lift at the end of my fair lady. That Charlie has to hold her leg in position just kills me. My fair lady definitely do en not have the feeling of the fox trot. Maybe their program is the reason p/b were advised to change their sp. Too far on the other side of the spectrum from d/w

For me, IcePrincess's experiment highlighted that Seasons is definitely not Mahler 2.0. The year's music seems to fit the Mahler program well (lots of highlights fall at the same times), but Mahler no. 5 doesn't fit Seasons, except for the first part of the program.

On the tuxedo point, at their first GP this year one of Nicky Slater's main criticisms of the program was... the colour of Scott's shirt. Something like 'white shirt or grey shirt?' seems daft to me, but to some people every detail of the costuming is an absolutely essential component of the package. I really don't think a tuxedo would have made the difference, however!

We have always accused DW to be the same in every program, saying that if you put another music does not change anything, just the costumes. Well, that's what I did. Last night, I began simply out of curiosity and to take away this doubt, but the doubt has materialized. So I decided to make these videos so as to show them to you and see what you think. I swapped the musics and programs of the past season with the current one, ditto for VM .. with the only difference that for the FD I used Mahler seen that is the object of criticism this year.

Davis & White - I have found that 95% (or something more) of all 4 programs fits perfectly.

My question about Scott in a tux was actually not meant to be humorous. Wasn't White told in earlier years that the judges wanted to see him in a tux? Or am I imagining that. If costuming weren't important there wouldn't be so many posts about poor Tessa's dresses here. Sometimes I think a few of these costume criticisms are just a sneaky way to criticize her body type - not all but some. Anyway here's the question then, is costuming reflected in the final mark either officially or unofficially?

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what are you talking about?

Anyways I don't know if you guys have noticed, but iggie put up an introduction to a quote project that has been in the works for awhile. I want to thank everybody that helped in any way, shape or form, iggie for including it on the blog, and especially cherub; she put in an astounding amount of work into this and reading the little booklet was truly amazing. So thank you again for thinking of collecting these quotes and putting the work in of arranging them by year. Iggie I hope you eventually decide to put up the rest of the quotes because it truly is amazing seeing all the praise that Tessa and Scott have had showered on them. I think from time to time how lucky Tessa and Scott are to have the fans that they do.

Completely off topic, but does anybody know why Tessa stopped being a vegetarian or has she ever given a reason in an interview?

Catching up on everyone's posts here (thanks for all the great tidbits).

Finally had a chance to listen to this podcast.

I find it both perplexing and disturbing hearing them state that both teams didn't put a foot wrong during the competition.

Am I missing something? Why is everyone so scared about calling an error when they see D/W make one? If Canadian commentators don't do it, who will? Are they afraid of being accused of biased commentating? If so, I think they are overcompensating.

Catching up on everyone's posts here (thanks for all the great tidbits).

Finally had a chance to listen to this podcast.

I find it both perplexing and disturbing hearing them state that both teams didn't put a foot wrong during the competition.

Am I missing something? Why is everyone so scared about calling an error when they see D/W make one? If Canadian commentators don't do it, who will? Are they afraid of being accused of biased commentating? If so, I think they are overcompensating.

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Why not ask PJ and Kurt themselves? They both have Twitter accounts, don't they?

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From Wikipedia:
Sod in British English is a somewhat offensive, pejorative term for a person, derived from sodomite[1] but rarely nowadays used with this meaning. As an insult, it is generally teamed with 'off', i.e., 'sod off' meaning to get lost/go away/**** off. It can generally be applied to refer to a person in a most basic sense and frequently preceded by a modifying adjective (&#8220;That crazy sod almost ran me over!&#8221. It can be used as many different parts of speech &#8211; e.g. in the imperative mood, &#8220;Sod off, you slag!&#8221;; or in adjective form, &#8220;sodding bastard&#8221;. Such uses as &#8220;Sod it!&#8221; and &#8220;Sod this&#8221; are often exclamations of frustration.

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this sounds like a more posh way to curse than using s#%* or f@!*^ hehehe

We have always accused DW to be the same in every program, saying that if you put another music does not change anything, just the costumes. Well, that's what I did. Last night, I began simply out of curiosity and to take away this doubt, but the doubt has materialized. So I decided to make these videos so as to show them to you and see what you think. I swapped the musics and programs of the past season with the current one, ditto for VM .. with the only difference that for the FD I used Mahler seen that is the object of criticism this year.

Davis & White - I have found that 95% (or something more) of all 4 programs fits perfectly.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Of course, some steps or movements match up with other music, it is very normal. It isn't "normal" when 95% of a program fits perfectly with other music with different rhythms. If I look at TS's video I fully understand that those are not the music of the programs I'm looking at. Instead of those MC I might as well watch them without realizing that it is exchanged music.
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The only things that I agree with here are that Tessa and Scott's programs and musics don't match almost at all, except the beginning of their 'Mahler' and 'Season' FDs, and that Meryl and Charlie's 'Giselle' music fits their 'My Fair Lady' SD quite well, and vice versa - although the original music fits the programs better anyway.

As for 'Brindisi/Musetta's Waltz' vs 'My Fair Lady', they don't fit - especially the 'Musetta's Waltz' doesn't fit with 'My Fair Lady' SD at all. Sorry, but I think that a person has to be quite unmusical to seriously and honestly think that they match. The same goes for their FDs - some separate parts or even just moments do match, but for the most part the FDs and their musics don't match. Or even if it looks like they hit a note here or there, it's clearly visible that the choreography is not for this music.

Sorry once again - I may be a Tessa and Scott fan, but I don't think that is reason enough to agree or pretend to agree with something that is not true in my opinion. Of course, I could have just kept silent to avoid arguing, but for some reason I didn't want to.

I cannot believe it, but I guess there is a first for everything I guess. I agree with Laura here. Music choice should not even be a deciding factor in the first place. So, placing other musics in other programs does not really say a whole lot. What does it prove? I mean, I know D/W use music that carries them, that is not a secret anyway.

The only things that I agree with here are that Tessa and Scott's programs and musics don't match almost at all, except the beginning of their 'Mahler' and 'Season' FDs, and that Meryl and Charlie's 'Giselle' music fits their 'My Fair Lady' SD quite well, and vice versa - although the original music fits the programs better anyway.

As for 'Brindisi/Musetta's Waltz' vs 'My Fair Lady', they don't fit - especially the 'Musetta's Waltz' doesn't fit with 'My Fair Lady' SD at all. Sorry, but I think that a person has to be quite unmusical to seriously and honestly think that they match. The same goes for their FDs - some separate parts or even just moments do match, but for the most part the FDs and their musics don't match. Or even if it looks like they hit a note here or there, it's clearly visible that the choreography is not for this music.

Sorry once again - I may be a Tessa and Scott fan, but I don't think that is reason enough to agree or pretend to agree with something that is not true in my opinion. Of course, I could have just kept silent to avoid arguing, but for some reason I didn't want to.

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Honest question here Laura, but why do you always feel the need to patrol the thread? I feel like you do this all the freaking time. This has nothing to do with the present discussion, just curious.

There's a mini series on them beginning in early January. The cameras have been following them around for most of this season. Is that what you mean? Unfortunately, I've forgotten which channel - not CTV or CBC, and my TV guide only covers two weeks. I'm sure someone will post the info closer to the date.

I cannot believe it, but I guess there is a first for everything I guess. I agree with Laura here. Music choice should not even be a deciding factor in the first place. So, placing other musics in other programs does not really say a whole lot. What does it prove? I mean, I know D/W use music that carries them, that is not a secret anyway.

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I agree that music should not be a deciding factor. However, I do think being able to swap the music for the SDs does prove or show something. The SDs from this year and last year use different rhythms. Last year, we had polka, waltz, and march. This year, it's Finnstep, plus one or two of the foxtrot, Charleston, or swing. Maybe I'm overlooking something, but taking the differences in the rhythms that are supposed to be used, I wouldn't expect the music to swap out easily like it did with D/W's short dances.

From Wikipedia:
Sod in British English is a somewhat offensive, pejorative term for a person, derived from sodomite[1] but rarely nowadays used with this meaning. As an insult, it is generally teamed with 'off', i.e., 'sod off' meaning to get lost/go away/**** off. It can generally be applied to refer to a person in a most basic sense and frequently preceded by a modifying adjective (&#8220;That crazy sod almost ran me over!&#8221. It can be used as many different parts of speech &#8211; e.g. in the imperative mood, &#8220;Sod off, you slag!&#8221;; or in adjective form, &#8220;sodding bastard&#8221;. Such uses as &#8220;Sod it!&#8221; and &#8220;Sod this&#8221; are often exclamations of frustration.