None of what is being discussed on the previous page constitutes genocide as the average person understands the definition of the word. It's not even some kind of cultural genocide as a committee from the UN tried to redefine genocide as one time.

There is no no current government or private group currently working with the intent, plan or strategy of wiping out the people, civilization or cultures of the other.

Unless you're talking about the civilization and cultures of the Europeans. Then you might possibly have a point.

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N_Fiddledog [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:36 am ]

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Trudeau spent 92 million dollars to feed us a lot of crap.

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BeaverFever [ Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:41 am ]

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N_Fiddledog wrote:

There is no no current government or private group currently working with the intent, plan or strategy of wiping out the people, civilization or cultures of the other.

Plenty of previous ones though, and we’re still dealing with the effects of their actions.

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BeaverFever [ Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:04 am ]

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N_Fiddledog wrote:

But let's talk about this one, Beave:

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So I’ve said I don’t really care to call MMIW by itself a “Genocide” but the bigger history of how FN have been treated since first contact up until only a few decades ago before is I think pretty close....for example forced sterilization and forced transfer of children both listed in your link definitely happened as recently as the 1990s.... there’s been no clean break with the past just a slow gradual transition to the present state with lots of consequences of the past still unaddressed

Well, priests abusing children and the eugenics programs of the past weren't exclusive to aboriginals. But yes, some specific native populations were made available for that abuse by force. And yes there were some indian girls that appeared to be singled out by their ethnicity for sterilization. There was forced transfer of children during the residential school program and I think I heard somewhere that the idea there was to "take the Indian out of the child" to paraphrase something I think I saw somewhere.

The expression was “kill the indian in the child”.

Here's your UN Human Rights meeting definition of genocide.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

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So how many were de-indianed by these policies? I believe 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. I'm feeling an inadequacy of equivalence there that your UN human rights meeting definition of genocide doesn't cover.

. Just about all of them were “de-indianed”. And it’s not a numbers game, it’s not ok to wipe out certain populations just because they’re smaller than others.

When did these de-Indianing policies end? The Holocaust ended. Are you saying another difference between the Holocaust and the de-Indianing policy is that your de-Indianing holocaust - unlike the real holocaust - is still going on because Nadine Machiskinic got drunk and stoned then fell 10 stories down a garbage chute and the police won't call it a homicide?[/quote]

The fact that there’s no clear end us the whole point. Also your attempt to dismiss the clearly suspicious circumstances of Nadines death as just another drunk and stoned Indian is a perfect example of the problem. The police didn’t even ask the hotel for a list guests until 9 months after he death, by which time most if the names are missing

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Mowich [ Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:43 am ]

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N_Fiddledog wrote:

Just to clarify the topic of the thread here though.

None of what is being discussed on the previous page constitutes genocide as the average person understands the definition of the word. It's not even some kind of cultural genocide as a committee from the UN tried to redefine genocide as one time.

There is no no current government or private group currently working with the intent, plan or strategy of wiping out the people, civilization or cultures of the other.

Unless you're talking about the civilization and cultures of the Europeans. Then you might possibly have a point.

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N_Fiddledog [ Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:57 pm ]

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BeaverFever wrote:

N_Fiddledog wrote:

There is no no current government or private group currently working with the intent, plan or strategy of wiping out the people, civilization or cultures of the other.

Plenty of previous ones though, and we’re still dealing with the effects of their actions.

Yes we have dealt and are still dealing. Some think of it as 'trying to help.' There is no genocide. Unless you're trying to make the point that the government's ineffectual if not outright screwy and screwed up attempts at assistance like for instance this current useless 92 million dollar boondoggle are some sort of planned strategies to wipe out indian tribes or their cultures.