I recently discussed what is perhaps the most twisted, disgusting anti-GMO tract ever written. It’s by Mike Adams, who as Jon Entine said earlier this year, is “a titan in the booming alternative lifestyle business, running dozens of websites promoting ‘natural’ products, many of them bogus or dangerous, which he relentlessly hawks online.”

The main communication portal for Adams is Naturalnews.com. According to Alexa, the site receives 219, 877 daily unique visitors and 407, 386 daily pageviews. Dr. Oz featured Adams on his show several months ago. Earlier this week, Adams published a screed at his main site that carried this headline:

Biotech genocide, Monsanto collaborators and the Nazi legacy of ‘science’ as justification for murder

The article was accompanied by Nazi imagery and horrible pictures of the Holocaust. Adams equated Hitler’s propagandists with today’s media outlets and journalists who “have signed on to accelerate heinous crimes being committed against humanity under the false promise of ‘feeding the world’ with toxic GMOs.” Adams refers to this as a modern-day genocide being perpetrated by “Monsanto collaborators.”

As if this wasn’t bad enough, Adams then chillingly suggests (his emphasis),

that it is the moral right — and even the obligation — of human beings everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged in heinous crimes against humanity.

This creepy, disturbing rant has taken a darker turn. Today, I woke up to an update posted by Adams:

After this story was first published, someone has indeed launched a website that appears to be inspired by a suggestion from this story. The Monsanto Collaborators website lists the names of journalists and publications that the site says have contributed to the agricultural genocide of GMOs, comparing the 250,000+ suicides caused by GMOs to “genocide” and the Holocaust.

Yeah, we can guess who that “someone” is. This update by Adams singles out Jon Entine and the “Monsanto Collaborators” website lists a number of publishers and journalists, including myself.

The whole thing just takes your breath away.

One of the listed “collaborator” outlets is Alternet, which over the weekend published a hard-hitting critique of Adams and other popular alternative health hucksters who, as Cliff Weathers wrote in his piece, “often cherry-pick science and use what suits them as semantic backdrop to fool unsuspecting consumers.” Last night, Weathers contacted me to say that shortly after his article appeared, he stared getting “numerous crank calls.”

Unhinged extremists like Mike Adams should be concerning to anti-GMO campaigners, which includes a shrill minority (amplified by some influential voices) that traffics in ugly, conspiratorial rhetoric. Adams has distinguished himself as the darkest, most disturbing manifestation of the anti-GMO movement. I certainly hope Dr. Oz and anyone else who takes him seriously is taking note.

UPDATE: You may be wondering if it’s counterproductive to spotlight the mad ramblings of someone like Adams? It’s a legitimate question that I gave some thought to before writing this post and the one before it. David Ropeik captures why I went ahead. The analogous examples he gives are exactly the ones I had in mind:

This is no different than Right to Life activists calling for the murder of abortion doctors fueling the hatred that leads some to commit such murders, or people so angry at the government that they bomb government buildings and kill innocent victims.

UPDATE: Mike Adams has responded at his website. I can’t do justice to it. Best that you read it from the man himself, in full:

After careful analysis, I have come to the conclusion that the Monsanto Collaborators website is a bait-and-switch trap engineered by the biotech industry in an effort to lure in support from GMO skeptics and then discredit them with some sort of insane “call to action” of some kind. Click here to see the evidence and reasoning on this. Because of this, I am recommending that members of the GMO skeptics community refrain from linking to or endorsing the Monsanto Collaborators website.

Additionally, immediately upon publication of this article, the usual GMO corporate shills immediately began to spread utterly false and defamatory information about what this article actually stated, inventing false quotes and intentionally citing sentences out of context. We expect nothing less than lies and fabrications from the GMO crowd, of course, but they have taken it to a whole new level in their attempts to silence this powerful story that tells the truth about the agricultural holocaust that has already killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

I have always stated in this story, as you can see below: “For the record, in no way do I condone vigilante violence against anyone, and I believe every condemned criminal deserves a fair trial and a punishment that fits the crime. Do not misinterpret this article as any sort of call for violence, as I wholly disavow any such actions. I am a person who demands due process under the law for all those accused of crimes.”

Tell the pro GMO lobby and the biotechs and their millions, to get out of the way of the 92 % of American consumers, who want to see GM’s labeled.

Europe has labeled GMO – easily and efficiently since 1997

There’s no reason the same labeling cannot occur in America. If the ‘supposed concern’ is adequate amounts of non GMO feeder lines to supply new demands that GM labeling may bring – allow federal GMO labeling policies to have a built in timeframe for feeder lines to be established.

Dennis Prouse

Europe is an economic basket case that is the largest per capita food importer in the world. Their farms are becoming less productive relative to the rest of the world, and their consumers are forced to spend almost twice what North Americans do for basic groceries, robbing working class people of a great deal of disposable income. The benefits they gain from this, beyond a smug sense of superiority, are unclear. Needless to say, I find, “Europe does it, so we should too” not to be terribly persuasive as a talking point.

Clifford Ageloff

Yes, it’s one of those famous two-tiered talking points that is posited as de facto proof and a reason to follow suit. Double epic fail.

Aidan Benelle

Europe is way ahead on food safety issues:
The EU has labeled GMO’s since 1997 without any significant impact of cost to the consumer.

The EU has also banned all antibiotic use in farm animals to stamp out growing resistance issues that the U.S. has barely begun to address.

Tyler Hurson

Antibiotic resistance isn’t caused by antibiotics, it’s caused by overuse of antibiotics. Banning antibiotics hurts the consumer more than it helps him/her.

More regulations != safer food. Europe suffers from occasional food poisoning epidemics just like the U.S. Nonsensical, politically-driven, “precautionary” bans on foods and food additives stifles the agricultural industry and is part of the reason why food in Europe is so expensive.

Granted, some European countries have a more evidence-based food policy.

In terms of percentage of household income spent on food, Europeans spend about twice as much as Americans.

Europe also needs to import a large percentage of their food, and pesticide usage in Europe has gone up significantly faster there.

Jason Lamb

Adams calls for murder (and hes got a sufficiently stupid emotional fan base for them to commit murder) and you’re saying that the ugliness is on behalf of biotech not wanting to label their products?

You’re a crank.

Aidan Benelle

So 92% of American consumers are cranks?

Matt F

Where do you get the figure 92%?? Holy cow – misinformed much are we? And labeling can do more damage to the industry than not labeling, as MANY people don’t understand the nature of chemicals. I bet you’d think twice about buying something that was labeled with dihydrogen monoxide, unless you just went to look it up on Google. Also, if GMO’s are regulated to be labeled as such, then I want organic products to be labeled with a safety caution that they may contain E. Coli and such.

Andrea Armstrong

Wow Matt F. Condescending much? If labeling will “do more damage”, then let the burden be on GM producers to educate consumers and market their products more effectively. But to argue that the public is to stupid to understand what is good for them is insulting. As for labeling organics with the warning you suggested, I’d be all for that. Information is good.

Jesse Redden

I don’t want my food touched by anything plastic, I have no evidence as to why I should want this but I want it labelled. Plastic is bad and I have a right to know what my kids are eating has touched. I demand labels for all food that has been touched by plastic!

durham kid

If enough people share your concern, then those foods should be labelled.

BTW, there are a number of plastics that arguably should NOT touch your food due to the presence of chemicals that mimic hormones – how ironic that you chose that example…

Jesse Redden

No irony, I knew using plastic as an example would make the anti-science set read on. So if a lot of people are wrong it becomes right? If someone can demonstrate using peer reviewed science that there is harm in a particular GMO I don’t want it labelled I want it banned. I would love to hear your description of the several processes involving the genetic modification of foods and what processes are harmful and why.

scotty perey

…except the GMO labeling campaigns at present aren’t very informative, in any sort of comprehensive or consistent way. For instance, I am curious what adherents of such feel about mutagenically produced strains, and what their relation is and ought to be with respect to genetic engineering labeling efforts.

http://beginingsinwriting.wordpress.com/ R.w. Foster

Not Matt F, but going based on what I’m seeing on the anti-science pages, the public is too stupid to understand what is good for them. Look at all those bitching about vaccines harming them, chemtrails, “GMOs are dangerous.” That’s proof right there of people’s stupidity.

Hell, there’s a reason the First Rule of Reason in Objectivism is called, “People are stupid.”

Aidan Benelle

92% is fact – citation above

scotty perey

not to mention the pesticides they use in “organic” farming… many of which are considered by the Xerces Society to be quite more toxic to honeybees and other pollinators than Roundup, and by a long shot from the sound of it….

durham kid

Where does this “fact” about pesticides in organic farming come from? CITE A SOURCE!

Pesticides are used in organic farming (they are allowed to use “natural” pesticides) and some are more toxic than glyphosate (Roundup). Pyrethins, rotenone and copper sulfate are all legal and all class II pesticides (moderately hazardous; LD50s: 500-1000mg/kg, 132-1500mg/kg and 300mg/kg respectively) according to the WHO, while glyphosate is a class III pesticide (slightly hazardous, LD50 4230mg/kg).

scotty perey

not to mention the pesticides they use in “organic” farming… many of which are considered by the Xerces Society to be quite more toxic to honeybees and other pollinators than Roundup, and by a long shot from the sound of it….

durham kid

What are your talking about?!? Pesticides are not used in organic farming. If you are going to make such claims, please state your sources.

You are far from being alone in this misconception. When surveyed as to why they bought organic produce, a whopping 94% of respondents replied that it was because “they didn’t use pesticides.” I was under the same misconception myself up until less than a year ago.

Xerces is a very reliable organization, by the way. The second page of their pdf I linked above has a table with three columns of “organically certified pesticides” organized by toxicity. Seasoned followers of the GMO debate will be interested to find that not only is bT included on this list of chemicals that organic farmers use to kill bugs, but also that it is in the “non toxic” column.

durham kid

Interestingly – I will check this out more thoroughly when I have time. One thing to keep in mind: just b./c it is approved to use doesn’t meant that it IS used. Organic produce has been tested and shown to have considerably less pesticides than conventional (some would be there due to mislabelling, drift of pesticides, etc). For more info, go to ewg.org and look for info on pesticides in food – tested (I couldn’t get to the link – problems with the server).

Since organic is cleaner, esp when you know who your farmer is, I buy directly whenever I can.

Miles Stockdale

I didn’t look up anything on EWG, but having seen many similar claims before, they normally test for specific synthetic pesticides, and of course find less of them on organic produce. But, as they were not testing for the pesticides used in organic farming, there methodology was fundamentally flawed.

kurzweilfreak

If you’re going to get even some of your most basic arguments incorrect, you should really rethink trying to participate in a debate that you are that uninformed on.

Don Rusho

The sad thing is, you probably actually believe that.

If you were interested in the truth, as opposed to jabbing your opponent in the eye, you could have easily googled “organic farming pesticide” before blurting out such an ignorant comment.

One specific result, from the incontestably reputable Scientific American, is:

“there are over 20 chemicals commonly used in the growing and processing
of organic crops that are approved by the US Organic Standards.”

So go peddle your nonsense somewhere else, as you clearly have exactly zero idea about what we are discussing here.

Aidan Benelle

citation above

durham kid

If you think people are misinformed about GMOs (a matter of opinion, with which many do not agree), then work on educating, rather than ignoring the will of the vast majority of Americans.

Your logic is chilling for someone who (presumably) cares about democracy and freedom of choice.

Miles Stockdale

I think psychological studies have shown pretty strongly that providing information is useless for most people, and often counterproductive.

That is not always the case. I was extremely anti-gmo myself 10 years ago. I have changed the minds of a few people, but in each case they were open to new information. Most people I know who hold anti-gmo views are as unreachable as the climate change deniers, anti-vaxers, and creationists I know.

Like most things, the irrational fear of GMOs will die when the people who hold those irrational fears die.

Aidan Benelle

And furthermore – more than 60 bills have been introduced in over 20 states to require GE labeling or prohibiting genetically engineered foods.

“Whether consumers say they want GM food labels depends on how you ask the question, so we asked about it in several ways.

Before introducing the idea of GM foods, the survey participants were asked simply “What information would you like to see on food labels that is not already on there?” In response, only 7 percent raised GM food labeling on their own. A similar number (6 percent) said they wanted more information about where the food product was grown or processed. In contrast, when asked directly whether GM foods should be required to be labeled, 73 percent said yes.”

Besides, majority opinion does not equal scientific reality nor does it equal the moral high ground by any means whatsoever. Consider all the opinions, attitudes, and policies throughout the ages as well as in the very recent past.

durham kid

It is not your job to decide who is misinformed and who is not – that is a personal decision – which we used to allow in a democracy. I am not Jewish and don’t eat Kosher – but I totally support the right of people to do so.

Miles Stockdale

Kosher is voluntary labeling. Just as organic and non-GMO is. The general public should not pay as a whole for mandatory GMO labeling, just as they should not, and do not, pay for mandatory kosher labeling. Those who want food labeled for philosophical or religious reasons pay for that preference.

Jason Lamb

Just you, I only called you a crank.

Other’s who want gmo labels are ubiquitously ignorant of the science of genetics, of the fact that nearly all the food we eat is genetically modified in some regard, of the positive environmental impact of GMO farming and are always in some way or another arguing from an emotional or ideological standpoint rather than a rational scientific one.

durham kid

I don’t think so, Jason – Aidan was reframing the argument. I’ve never heard of Mike Adams before but I don’t like his thinking either -that does not mean that I am going to paint ALL anti-GMO people as belonging in that camp.

Jason Lamb

what does that have to do with my comment? My comment is in response to his attempt to reframe the argument (because it’s the dumbest reframe possible), what he said was DUMB. I didn’t paint any group.

Michael Polidori

You claim Mike Adams called for murder, but he has stated he didn’t and removed the offending post on his website.

But what would you say about a corporation that did murder some of their customers… what should be done with the people at that corporation that made the decisions to market, KNOWING that people would die?

Merck created the drug Vioxx.

Before it was approved they knew it was killing people in clinical trials.

The bureaucrats at the FDA helped them by not reviewing the data Merck gave them, which showed the deaths.

When Merck gave their data to journals like the New England Journal of Medicine they left out some data on the deaths, so that the data matched conclusions of safety in their study.

Jeffrey Drazen, Chief Editor of the NEJM, claimed Merck “hoodwinked” the journal and demanded the full data. Merck refused, but Drazen never retracted the studies from the journal.

Vioxx became a blockbuster drug, selling more than $11.5 BILLION worldwide.

Just in America, The Lancet estimated that 48,000 to 55,000 people were killed by cardiac events caused by Vioxx.

Not one person at Merck was criminally prosecuted for those deaths of parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters of millions of Americans.

Many of these deaths may have not occurred if Vioxx had been properly evaluated and the data on deaths caused by strokes and other cardiac events been honestly considered..

There were hundreds of thousands of strokes and heart attacks that didn’t kill people, but left them permanently injured.

Still no one at Merck was criminally prosecuted.

Let’s see you stand up and be counted among those calling for criminal prosecution of corporate executives guilty of actual murders and accomplices to murder.

As far as biotech executives and scientists are concerned, they know or should know the risks involved with genetically altering the DNA of our food with genes from other non-related plants, animals, virus and bacteria.

Lab animals have been known to die from eating transgenic foods. (Arpad Pusztai, lectin, potatoes)

People have been killed and had their immune systems permanently impaired by ingesting food supplements created in genetically altered bacteria (the L-tryptophan disaster of 1989, Showa Denko).

The USA FDA doesn’t require feeding trials and doesn’t regulate GMO.
If you think gene-altered food isn’t sometimes dangerous, then you are simply a science denialist, you have been duped or you are an industry shill.

If you think that biotechs are doing all they can to ensure food is safe, youa re wrong –

From a New York Times article – “Playing God in the Garden” New York Times Magazine, October 25, 1998 – Monsanto Vice President Phil Angell said, “Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.’s job ”

And Eisenhower in his farewell speech warned of people with of your ilk with staunch opinions they would dictate over the rights of the American consumer when he said –

“Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite”

First Officer

And for much the same reasons.

Fullerene

Assume that every unlabled-for-GMO food item you buy in the store has some GMO component. Isn’t that easy? If someone wants to sell a GMO-free item (and it can be certified as such), then they should label THOSE ITEMS as GMO-free.

Your response to the kill-the-abortion-doctors-type tactics that Adams is using is disappointing. Sociopathy doesn’t bother you, and the means justify the ends?

Miles Stockdale

Your solution is simple and correct.

However, it doesn’t reach the heart of the labeling campaign which is to induce fear and panic through lies for the purpose of convincing the ignorant to spend more money for organic foods.

Spamihazit

it is unnecessary. Just assume any non-certified organic products could contain GMOs, especially if they contain corn or soy.
Why put the financial burden on the majority of Americans, who consume GMOs on a regular basis? And where do you get your 92% of Americans want it labeled? Any scientific polls?

Aidan Benelle

In April, 2014, the Consumer Reports National Research conducted a nationally‐representative phone survey to assess the opinion of 1,004 adult U.S. consumers regarding the labeling of food. In this survey, consumers were also asked about
genetically engineered food. This report examines consumer support for the standardization and labeling of genetically engineered food.

Isn’t it interesting how in the two states where labeling initiatives were proposed and referendums held that they both failed with results that differ substantively from the poll you reference?

I might add that the Consumers Union is not an unbiased source.

When people are asked about labeling with little to no education on what GMOs are or what their issues are, people seem to be for it. But when they are given a chance to actually study and learn about the issue, they no longer support it in such great numbers.

Aidan Benelle

Well the $46 million spent in California alone by the pro GMO lobby to defeat labeling says it all.

Miles Stockdale

It takes a lot of time and money to try to counter all the lies and misinformation spread by the anti-GMO activists.

FosterBoondoggle

I’m guessing you’d get the same figure if you did a poll asking whether foods containing dihydrogen monoxide should be labeled.

David Brown

It all depends upon whether you ask a leading question.

“Whether consumers say they want GM food labels depends on how you ask the question, so we asked about it in several ways.

Before introducing the idea of GM foods, the survey participants were asked simply “What information would you like to see on food labels that is not already on there?” In response, only 7 percent raised GM food labeling on their own. A similar number (6 percent) said they wanted more information about where the food product was grown or processed.”

Yes, if you ask a leading question, most Americans will say they want GE labels.

However, if you ask Americans what they want labeled, less than 10% will mention GMOs. Why? Most Americans have no idea what “GMO” means.

kurzweilfreak

[citation needed for 92% figure]
You’d be pretty hard pressed to get a large and diverse population as the US has to agree 92% on ANYTHING, so I’m calling bullshit.

Name a product that a biotech company makes that you can purchase that you would like labeled. Monsant et al already label all of their products clearly. To their customers. Who are farmers. Buying the seed products they sell.

Aidan Benelle

citation below

DrDenim

The monsantocollaborators.org website does not appear to work

DrDenim

Like the harm of GMO, the website is still completely non-existent

Ripshed

It loads for me. It’s just crappy and offensive propaganda that tries to capitalize on the real suffering of the holocaust to demonize GMOs and contains a list of people who have refused to condemn GMOs.

http://adhdcommunity.boards.net/ Amtram

A good rule of thumb would be “If Mike Adams says something, believe the opposite.”

laracraftmili

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CombatChicken

GMO propaganda strikes again. I guess the author of this article loves manipulating people with disinformation, with quotes falsely attributed to Mike: – “that it is the moral right — and even the obligation — of human beings everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged in heinous crimes against humanity” – Which was actually Mike quoting the German Government.

And here is what Mike really stands for:
“For the record, in no way do I condone vigilante violence against anyone, and I believe every condemned criminal deserves a fair trial and a punishment that fits the crime. Do not misinterpret this article as any sort of call for violence, as I wholly disavow any such actions. I am a person who demands due process under the law for all those accused of crimes. ”

AND IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME, THEN READ MIKE’S ARTICLE YOURSELVES YOU IRRESPONSIBLE FOOLS WHO DON’T DO ONE IOTA OF RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING!

Doug Ducat

And Mike Adams put that quote in his piece to send what message exactly? Think about it.

CombatChicken

Well if you read his article you would know then wouldn’t you.

Ripshed

Mike Adams bolded the last part of that sentence. Why would he quote this speech and bold those words in the context of an article about GMOs and “collaborators” if not to suggest that this is what he believes should happen to pro-biotech people?

Come up with a reasonable explanation – you can’t.

It’s pretty simple – Mike Adams is playing chicken with law enforcement and the realm of terrorism. He would glee with delight if people started getting hurt or killed over this.

Michael Polidori

Another diversion from the real issue, the safety of GMO.
And look at the upticks for a useless comment devoid of evidence or facts or relevance to the issue of GMO safety!!

Stop pretending there is an issue of Mike Adams calling for violence and start commenting on the real issue of GMO safety.

http://sci-ence.org Maki

Nice try.

I’ll give him some credit that he was smart enough not to write an article that said “Kill journalists” but rather read “These people are Nazis, and you know what we need to do to Nazis”.

And his sudden call to nonviolence was only recently posted alongside his conspiratorial claim that it was a black flag bait-and-switch. Give me a break.

Michael Polidori

More pretense from a GMO supporter.
You ignore the evidence that Mike Adams posts, pretending he actually means the opposite of what he says – thereby you ignore the issue of GMO safety, which is the point of Mike Adams posts.

Try getting on message and stop deflecting.

GMOs are the most contaminated and least nutritious foods ever produced.

Grown in nutrient depleted soils, they divert scarce resources into making toxic insecticidal proteins and/or they are immune resistant and have herbicide residue in and on them (and that’s just the beginning of the problems they have).

Search for GMO and Seralini OR Mae Wan Ho OR Pusztai.

Antaeus_Feldspar

No. Those are NOT the quoted words of the German government.

They are what Mike Adams is now calling a “paraphrase” of the German government’s words. We have NO WAY of knowing which words the German government said that Mike Adams claimed to interpret as “it’s a good thing to murder people as long as they’re sufficiently bad people,” so we will never have any reason to think that Adams’ “paraphrase” actually represented what they said, rather than what he wanted to hear.

Besides Adams’ reputation for accuracy and honesty, that is. Which is much like Liberace’s reputation for being shy and restrained.

Don Rusho

Is that you, occupystephanie? You sure sound like one of those ignorant goobers over at dailykos.com with a cornucopia of maniacal screeds against GMOs, vaccines, and collapsing bees. What a bunch of losers.

Michael Polidori

Another poster who ignores the evidence.

The Europeans have already shown that nicotine-based insecticide coating GMO seed are responsible for bee Colony Collapse Disorder hitting apiaries in Europe and the USA.

The Europeans, and most of the rest of the civilized world, label or ban GMO. labeling is as good as banning as most people are aware of the dangers GMO pose.

If labeled, people simply won’t buy GMO, and that will kill them.

Why avoid the science and avoid labeling? It is OBVIOUS the biotech companies want to hide GMO in the food supply.

Because patenting of these plants is allowed, the focus of the biotechs is to own more and more of the food supply… not to worry about safety.

Quoted in the New York Times Magazine (October 25, 1998, “Playing God in the Garden”),
Philip Angell, Monsanto’s director of corporate communications,
famously stated: “Monsanto shouldn’t have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA’s job.”

From the Federal Register, Volume 57, No.104, “Statement of [FDA] Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties,” here is what the FDA had to say on this matter: “Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety.”

Try coming here with some evidence, not just name-calling personal insults.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Rigel54

Anti-GMO zealots are anti-science, anti-facts, paranoid delusionists. They prey on the simple-minded, sadly, there are plenty of those. European resistance is rooted in farmer’s political organizations. They cannot compete with American agriculture, so they spread fear to undercut the competition. “Combat Chicken,” do you have any training in science, if so, list it. Paranoia is the current, worsening, and potentially fatal disease of Western civilization. It is spread by the “Tea Parties” of the right and the GMO nuts of the left.

mem_somerville

Wow, he is going further this time. When anti-abortionists made lists like this, doctors actually did get shot.

And this is exactly why I’ve had scientists tell me on the back-channel that they don’t feel like they can talk on this issue–because they fear for their family’s safety.

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk Guy Chapman

Same thing happened with animal rights extremists, IIRC. The result is that animal experimentation moved to countries which care less, so the animals get treated worse. If the anti_GMO crowd get their way, GMO research and manufacture will probably just move to China and they will have no hope of tracking their use.

Don Rusho

Hi MEM! It looks like some of the usual idiots have shown up to fling poo and shriek their dismay, just like back home: occupystephanie, Crider, Cordgrass, maybe wisper but certainly that pervert atana.

Don’t those people ever give up?

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm Uncle Al

Good ideas propagate, bad ideas self-correct. The atrocity is cherishing empirical failure by feeding it what works. This is our current world, and is exponentially failing.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/ ElDorado501

No need to murder anyone, the illneses that GMOs are causing to the fools that are eating them will do very effective job! By the way, Mike Adams has seen worse attacks on him by worse Monsanto shills then this one, this is yet another blank fired by the walking zombie!

Ripshed

What illnesses? I eat a 100% non-organic diet and I’ve been given a clean bill of health by my doc at my most recent checkup.

First Officer

I think it takes 1 to 2 hundred years for the effects to kick in. It’s easliy confused with the aging process.

Derek Wolf

Perhaps the chronic, degenerative illnesses that have been sky rocketing gradually since the introduction of RoundUp & GM crops on a grand scale?

Unfortunately those toxins don’t create immediate, poisonous responses otherwise it would be even more obvious. Some effects do seem to be quicker than others, though; as evidenced by the rise of kidney disease in the East by way of mineral chelating toxic chemical applications that readily deliver heavy metals into the kidneys.

Are is your statement another one of those highly unscientific, illogical, PRO-GM rhetoric?

hahaha, I made that same accusation to my brother. And the use of less and safer pesticides. And the lack of vaccines. Because pesticide usage has decreases. People getting vaccinated has decreased.. and yet autism goes up? IT MUST BE CONNECTED.

Aidan Benelle

People are turning to organic foods in droves because they have lost faith in the USDA and FDA.

Ripshed

The organic program is an invention of the government and overseen by the USDA.

Pierce Nichols

People are more likely to die of degenerative diseases these days because we’ve gotten so good at preventing them from dying of other things. Accidents and infections that would have been fatal half a century ago are now merely an expensive and painful inconvenience. Our techniques for treating heart disease, cancer, and stroke have advanced enormously. And yet we’re all going to die someday, of something. Once you’ve removed many of the faster causes of death, all that remains are the slow predations of age and entropy.

Spamihazit

Roundup is less toxic than vinegar or caffeine. It doesn’t volatilize like other herbicides.
Roundup AND Gm crops? Well what else has increased? Hybrid cars. Panda populations. Multi-racial people. The number of women names Olivia and Isabelle. Men named Jacob. All as scientifically correlated as Roundup and GM crops.

Aidan Benelle

Intestinal Disease up 71% in children since 2000:

The new study, published online and scheduled for the August 2013 print issue of the Journal of Investigative Medicine, found a 65 percent increase in IBD hospital discharges from 2000 to 2009. The number increased from 11,928 discharges in 2000 to 19,568 discharges in 2009.

IBD refers to a group of inflammatory conditions of the colon and small intestine. The major types of IBD are Crohn’s disease (CD) and ulcerative colitis (UC). When looking at these two types of IBD individually, the authors found a 59 percent increase in CD discharges and a 71 percent increase UC discharges.

Hereditary, genetics, and/or “environmental factors” contribute to the development of Crohn’s Disease and other forms of IBD.

The environment in which you live also appears to play a role. Crohn’s is more common in developed countries rather than undeveloped countries,

Recent studies (Samsel/Seneff) have shown a connection between Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome as a possible reason for the increase in IBD.

August Pamplona

Senneff’s “study” is but a bunch of “we hypothesize” linked together which was published in the odd journal where she seems to publish all her “studies”, Entropy. I doubt even the journal Medical Hypotheses would accept such rubbish.

Ripshed

Chron’s does not develop independent of genetics.

Aidan Benelle

You’re totally incorrect

Ripshed

You can believe that all you want but you can consult any medical journal or medical encyclopedia and find out for yourself that Crohn’s is widely believed to manifested due to genetics.

Aidan Benelle

At least you spelled it correctly this time

Ripshed

Ah yes, attack my spelling when you are on the losing side of an argument.

Find me a single doctor or study that suggests that Crohn’s can develop independently of genetics.

Go on. You can’t do it – because you’re wrong.

Aidan Benelle

Crohn’s disease is a heterogeneous disorder with both a genetic and environmental aetiology.

Rapid increase in Crohn’s disease (CD) and ulcerative colitis (UC) incidence in developed countries, ‘occurrence of CD in spouses’ and lack of complete concordance in monozygotic twins are strong arguments for the role of environmental factors in inflammatory bowel disease (IBD).

Does not invalidate a genetic role. Crohn’s has a very large prevalence in the Jewish population, for example. It would be quite believable for a couple who are both Jewish to have the disease.

“lack of complete concordance in monozygotic twins”

Neither does that.

Ripshed

Here’s your problem: You want to have us believe that bowel disorders are completely the result of GMOs through statistical correlation. This is, of course, stupid. Correlation does not establish causality.

The current research on Crohn’s suggests that these diseases require a certain genetic profile to occur. However, it is possible for someone who is genetically susceptible to not develop the disease.

What you have not established is showing an example of someone who has Crohn’s but has no known genetic markers for it.

This thread started because of someone who claimed that GMOs cause diseases and that all of us pro-GMO people will die early deaths because of it. I replied that I eat a GMO-heavy diet and have no known health issues.

After that, someone replied claiming there is an explosion in chronic illnesses as a result of GMOs. Then you chimed in to support him with your data. You never provided the causal link, you simply wanted people to make that association in their heads – it must be the GMOs.

You lose.

QED.

Aidan Benelle

You are obviously ill informed on this topic

Ripshed

Also, neither Samsel or Seneff are trained biological researchers. Seneff’s actual academic credentials are in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. If you haven’t noticed, Seneff is affiliated with the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.

Samsel is not an academic researcher in any area.

Furthermore, their publication contains no experiments, they are simply, at best, commentary and suppositions.

Miles Stockdale

And the similar increase in IBD in European countries where GMOs are almost unknown?

Aidan Benelle

Glyphosate sales in Europe are increasing because industry is continually finding new uses. It is recommended throughout the crop cycle, including as a drying agent 7-10 days before harvest.

Miles Stockdale

Oh sorry, I didn’t know we were talking about Seneff’s bad science. Never mind, I don’t bother with people who are dumb/delusional/misinformed enough to take her nonsense seriously. It is a complete waste of time.

Aidan Benelle

One look at your ‘rabid’ pro biotech/ pro GMO posting past history says it all Miles…..

Miles Stockdale

“Is Monsanto’s Roundup linked to a deadly kidney disease?”

No. There is no evidence or data to support such a position. Both links are based on one piece that appeared in a journal which was marked “hypothesis” because there is no data to back it up. Could it be true? Sure, just as any of the other billions of hypotheses could be true. A cautionary view should be based on evidence and data, otherwise there is no basis for deciding which speculative hypotheses deserve caution other then that it conforms with your worldview.

bobito

What attack? I think calling out someone for using “Nazi” rhetoric and promoting the murder of innocent people is more like a public service.

BTW: Have you ever heard the term Cognitive Dissonance? If you think everyone who doesn’t have a problem with GMO is a “walking zombie” it must make it easier to hold your non-scientific position on GMOs.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm Uncle Al

Corn is mutated teosinte. Store teosinte seed in a wet copper or copper alloy bowl, get little corns when you plant. Copper-catalyzed oxidative scission of DNA does the trick. Corn is a Genetically Modified Organism from Day One..

I’ve literally only eaten ONE non-GMO item in my life and I’m not ill.

Tyler Hurson

GMOs do not cause illness.

Kevin Folta

Sweet. I can only hope to be on the list. This is the best thing that can happen, so don’t crush it too soon. The bottom line is that the crazy anti-GM movement appeals more to the don’t-give-a-damn middle than the science does. THIS kind of intimidation is clearly desperation. When you have to pull out the swastika, you are waving a white flag that you have nothing else— no facts, no evidence, nothing.

This is what is needed to turn the conversation. Take your screenshots now and put them in your talks, seminars and public interactions.

Greg Shumchenia

#TargetForAdams

https://www.facebook.com/DaveOwenK David Owen

Explain that comment.

durham kid

Let’s talk about the issues of GMOs instead of whether or not Mike Adams is a nut. To associate the entire anti-GMO crowd with Adams in an attempt to discredit the entire movement is a dishonest political move that any ethical person should be ashamed of.

Let’s talk about the science – and the right of people to know what is going into their bodies. It is not for you (or me) to judge what people decide is acceptable for anyone else to eat – that is a personal decision, which should never be taken away.

Miles Stockdale

It is difficult to talk about the science when most of those who are anti-gmo have been convinced of so many lies that finding any meaningful starting point is difficult. Folta however does spend much of his free time educating those few who are willing to be. I personally don’t know how he does it. I spent several hours last night talking to my in-laws about agriculture/GMO related issues. I did not want to, but they brought it up, knowing that it is related to my graduate work. Very little science could be discussed as 1) even though they are well educated, they have no science background and 2) they have had their minds polluted by the steady stream of nonsense that has infiltrated TV, the internet, and their daily newspaper. When I attempt to explain to them why a particular article they read was based on crappy study, with an extreme ideological bent, and not inline with the overwhelming bulk of scientific research, it only makes them distrustful of science in general and not specific examples of ideologically driven bad science.

Your claim of a right to know any and everything you might want to know about a product does not exist and never has. Therefore it can not be taken away as it is imaginary. You are within your rights to grow your own food, buy organic, buy food that is labeled Non-GMO. You are not within your rights to force everyone else to pay more for food to satisfy a philosophical fear based on bad science and pseudo-science

durham kid

“You are within your rights to grow your own food, buy organic, buy food
that is labeled Non-GMO. You are not within your rights to force
everyone else to pay more for food to satisfy a philosophical fear based
on bad science and pseudo-science”

Labelling GMOs does NOT cause food to cost more – they’ve been doing it for years in Europe.

You can call anti-GMO people stupid and scientifically illiterate all you want – but your arrogance way to telling them what you think is good for them flies directly in the face of people’s right to make their own decisions. Do you even understand that issue?

Or are you so cock-sure of the safety of GMOs that you don’t give a damn about people’s freedom of choice?

That does not sound like American values to me.

Miles Stockdale

Food does cost more in Europe – significantly more. If you don’t think the labeling will cost more then you simply don’t understand the costs in the system that will be involved with mandatory labeling. The only way the change could occur without increased food costs is if all products simply slapped on a label saying “may contain GMOs” whether it does or not. Otherwise the costs will be steep and people here can enjoy the European experience of spending 12% of the income on food instead of 6%.

People can make their own decisions. I understand that you are far too stupid to understand this but I will try this once again with you: You have the choice/decision to buy or not any product you wish based on the information provided to you. That does not mean that you have the right to know anything you want about any product you want. In the case of foods you can buy organic and foods labeled non-GMO. If enough people care about this issue then more companies will provide voluntary labeling. But the rest of us have no interest in paying more for their food to satisfy your pseudo-science desires.

duguesclin

“Food does cost more in Europe – significantly more.”

NO, it does NOT cost more in Europe. It depends on the state you’re within the States, and the European country your comparing prices with. In fact, just to put forward a bunch of examples, in Iberia, France and Italy food is way way cheaper, and way way tastier than in the States (generally speaking, of course). And the GM labelling (a tiny phrase somewhere in the packaging) doesn’t make a difference.

As you can imagine I know what the heck I’m talking about…

Miles Stockdale

Anyone who cares can easily look up the difference between food costs between European countries and the United States.

duguesclin

Of course. And that’s why I’m right. Go and buy a kilogram of carrots in France, Italia or Iberia for under half a dollar. Then, try to repeat that in the States’ coasts, where most americans live.

Michael Polidori

Anyone growing and promoting GMO should be paying th extra costs of labeling… that’s what organic farmers have to do.

GMO are the most contaminated and most unsafe foods we have ever grown and put on the plates of children.

No GMO has been modified to increase yield.

The biotech giants use the highest yielding non-gmo crop strains available (That aren’t protected by a patent or new hybrid contract, so they won’t have to pay a licensing fee) and modify them to either contain two or more insecticides, be immune to multiple herbicides or a combination of both modifications..

In addition to the desired traits being RANDOMLY incorporated into a plant’s DNA, other changes happen (both known and unknown). Nutrition and growing time are adversely affected.

Insecticides cannot be washed off or cooked out.

Foods are now contaminated with herbicides and metabolites of herbicides, which have never been in such large quantities on and in our food before.

Sprayed chemical insecticides are still used on “insect resistant” crops.

Pollution on GMO fields is dramatically increased over conventional fields.

Farmers have increased costs and bear all of the risks. Seed cannot be saved and they must buy new seed every planting. They must pay a very high price for the seed and herbicide (always made by the same manufacturer of the seed.)

Insects are becoming resistant to the insecticides and weeds are becoming resistant tot he herbicides, reducing or eliminating any cost-advantage GMO crops have over conventional crops.

GMO-style farming is not sustainable.

Stockdale’s position is bereft of logic or science.

He first says we can buy anything we want with the information provided to us… his pseudo-logic says we can buy organic or non-gmo labeled products if we don’t want GMO…

But suppose we want to buy conventional crops, without paying more for organic or non-gmo? We can’t.

So Stockdale’s point is that everybody else can label their food as organic or non-gmo, but to buy conventional or avoid buying any GMO, we are out of luck… so we DON’T have a real choice.

GMO are proved to be hazardous and less nutritious than conventional or organic foods.

Stockdale’s position is straight out of the biotech playbook, helping GMO producers get away with stealing our money for a deliberately hidden contaminated product in our food supply…

Stockdale had it PARTIALLY right when he posted – “You have the choice/decision to buy or not any product you wish based on the information provided to you. ”
Then he posts this GEM – “That does not mean that you have the right to know anything you want about any product you want. ”

Then we DON’T have the choice Stockdale first said we have, because we don’t label GMO..
People have the right to know if their food contains two insecticides in every part of the plant or is contaminated (inside and out) with herbicide.
Stockdale should post carefully next time.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Michael Polidori

Another poster claiming science supports his position, when he doesn’t list a single fact to support GMO safety.

Search “GMO” and “Eric Seralini” OR “Mae Wan Ho” OR “Arpad Pusztai” all geneticists or researchers critically opposed to GMOs in the human food supply.

Let’s hear your science that counters their warnings.

Stop pretending you have any science to back up your position and stop criticizing your releatives, when they are right and you are wrong.

Miles Stockdale

I will just repeat what I have already said:

“It is difficult to talk about the science when most of those who are anti-gmo have been convinced of so many lies that finding any meaningful starting point is difficult.”

I won’t waste my time with a paranoid conspircy theorist (who is also anti-vax) because 1) you simply don’t anything and 2) your mind has been so polluted that it would be no more worth my time then trying to discuss evolution by a creationist whose mind has been polluted by Ken Ham.

There are always some scientists in every field who are terrible, and some who are con artists. You will continue to support those con artists because that is what is what you do.

As for my in-laws – that post was a year ago. Unbeknownst to me, about 6 months ago they actually started to do a real unbiased assessment of the evidence on their own (not the paranoid conspiracy theorist cherry picking of bad and fraudulent science that you do), talked to some real experts, and have changed their minds on many of the issues where they duped by pseudoscience con artists. Hopefully over the next couple months they will shed their remaining of their baseless pseudoscience beliefs. I don’t hold out the same hope for you. It is not that you are not capable of seeing the bullshit. It is that submerging yourself in bullshit is what you want to do.

Michael Polidori

So Stockdale, given the opportunity to post scientific evidence that GMO are beneficial and safe, chooses not to do so…

He says he is not going to post any such evidence because my mind has been polluted by “bullshit” and by “terrible scientists”.

Stockdale also accuses me of being “anti-vax”, which I am not. He again has the chance to refer to anything I have ever posted to show I am anti-vax, but he doesn’t.

GMO are the most contaminated, least nutritious and most unsustainable crops grown on the planet.
If Stockdale cares to post ONE piece of science that contradicts any part of that sentence, I would be happy to respond with the science that refutes his reference and apologize to him if he shows I am wrong.

Deflection, Deception and Lying is all that Stockdale can rely on, while he PRETENDS to make a point.

The FDA doesn’t regulate GMO to ensure they are safe to eat. The FDA has declared all GMO to be “substantially equivalent” to conventional or organic crops, and therefore do not need FDA regulation.
This is simply denialism, and there is not one science-based study or piece of evidence that supports the FDA’s or Stockdale’s nonsensical position.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Justin Jurek

“I found three people who agree with me. They must be right while everyone else who studies the same thing and comes to the opposite conclusion must be wrong”.

Michael Polidori

Don’t know what you are saying Justin. Let’s have a discussion.

Michael Polidori

The work of Eric Seralini and Arpad Pusztai prove that lab animals fed a diet of pure GMO corn or potatoes are injured and killed by the altered foods.

The 1989 L-Tryptophan poisoning was rooted in the batches of tryptophan produced only by the genetically altered bacteria from a company called Showa Denko. Other tryptophan from the company produced with the regular bacteria did not cause the poisoning.
the toxins in the GM bacteria product altered the immune systems of some of the people taking it.
Autoimmune disease which attacked the nervous system of people caused tremendous pain, killed some and caused lifelong disability in others.

Your non-scientific agenda of denial is your poor attempt to protect the biotech industry profits, no matter what harm may happen to kids eating untested and unsafe GMO food products.
The USA had the highest percentage of GMO in their diets. We also have the highest infant and child mortality of all developed nations. Is there a connection? Until we do the proper testing and the FDA starts to regulate GMO we will never know.
That is the purpose for the FDA not regulating or testing GMO to ensure they are safe… to keep us in the dark about safety issues and so people like you can go around pretending there is no evidence of harm.

Post and discuss the two best studies you have that PROVE GMO are safe for anyone to eat.
Let’s have a discussion.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

FrenchKissed

If you buy food that has an ingredient that could be genetically modified and the label doesn’t say that it’s GMO free then as far as anyone knows, it contains GM ingredients.

Requiring everything else to say it may contain GMO is ridiculous. It’s like labeling everything that isn’t Kosher or Halal as non-Kosher or non-Halal. Or like labeling tea, Greek yogurt, hard cider, cheese, ham (or any other of the dozens I’ve seen) as being gluten free.

durham kid

The real issue is that if things were labelled GMO, then people would not buy them. You can call them stupid all you want – but they have a right to decide what to put in their bodies.

Cairenn Day

GMO is a process not an ingredient. Please tell us ONE product in the US that requires a label for a process.
Mandatory labels are for something EVERYONE needs to know, like calories, carb content, and ingredients.

Please tell me what NEEDED info is on a GMO label

Michael Polidori

The only commercially used techniques on GMO int he USA are pest resistance or herbicide resistance.

Pest resistance – at least TWO insecticidal proteins, registered as insecticides with the EPA, are grown in GMO crops. That is an additive and must be labelled.
Herbicide resistance – Multiple herbicide resistances ahve to be genetically altered into plants because of herbicide resistance spreading to weeds and volunteer crops that are becoming weed-like pests.
We have never consumed herbicides before, because plants with herbicides used to die. Now the herbicides are both residual and inside the food through root absorption. This must also be labelled until we have proof that herbicide contaminated foods are safe to eat.

Unfortunately, I am sure you already knew this, which makes your posting more than just disingenuous, but deliberately deceptive and misleading.
You should be interested in the truth.

Cairenn Day

Well,you are incorrect. First there are more GMO traits than that. I will only cover those approved in the US at this time

There is the Rainbow Papaya and it is resistant to the ringspot virus

There are some varieties of yellow and green summer squash that were developed to provide resistance against up to
three plant viruses, depending on the variety, that frequently infect
commercial squash and zucchini crops. These viruses – Cucumber mosaic
virus (CMV, a cucumovirus), Zucchini yellow mosaic virus (ZYMV, a
potyvirus) and Watermelon mosaic virus (WMV, a potyvirus)

Then there is the Innate, now named the White Russet potato that is more resistant to bruising and that produces lower amounts of acrylamide when fried.

There is the Arctic apple that does is resistant to browning on exposure to air

There is also a drought tolerant corn approved.

Then there are big ones BT crops and round up ready ones.

That is a minimum of NINE traits approved in the US at this time

Michael Polidori

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Over 95% of commercially grown GMO crops are of the herbicide-resistant or insecticide-containing varieties (or have both characteristics).

NONE of those crops are tested to ensure they are safe for us to eat.

SOME of those crops go through 90 days of feeding trials with animals, but most of that research is not peer-reviewed because it is not published.

The secrecy surrounding GMO, the obcious extensive contaminations, the refusal of the FDA to ensure these crops are safe for us to eat… all of these shenanigans point to a cover-up of the truth to allow biotechs to own more and more of the food crops.

This is not done for any benefit to mankind or to feed starving populations. It is done only for profit.

Farmers in developing or under-developed nations cannot afford to grow GMO crops. They are already under-utilizing their farmland and growing without the benefit of modern agriculture techniques and equipment.

Despite these deficiencies, we grow enough food to feed 10 billion people, nearly 50% more than our current population.

GMO are unnecessary, less nutritious, more expensive to grow and unsustainable (because of the massive amounts of chemical inputs currently used on them or created within the altered crops).

Herbicide resistant crops now have multiple herbicide resistances because of weeds and some crops that have become immune to several different herbicides. This requires spraying of multiple herbicides on one crop to control weeds with multi-resistance and other crops that have become multi-resistant weed-like pests.

Insecticide containing crops now have to have at least TWO insecticides in them (not only the BT you posted about) because insects became resistant to BT.

This has caused real problems for organic farmers, as BT is one of only a few insecticides that are authorized to be used on organic crops.
On organic crops BT is used only during certain time-frames to ensure there is no BT contamination.

With GMO modified to produce BT (and at least one other insecticide) the insecticides are expressed by the crops ALL THE TIME and are produced in every part of the crop (including the pollen and the fruit/food).

You apparently didn’t know about the multi-pesticide requirement.

The insecticides are exuded into the soil.
The insecticides cannot be washed off of or cooked out of these contaminated crops.
The insecticides have not been proven safe for us to eat and the crops have NEVER been used in long or short term feeding trials on people.

Additionally, there is no FDA requirement for any GMO crop to have any feeding trials at all, animal or human.

If anything, GMO regulation has been designed to ensure GMO foods are as UNSAFE to eat as possible!!!

Modified crops always have a package of genes randomly inserted into their DNA. The expression of any genes that this package is near will be affected. We NEVER know what other traits of the crops are being affected, nor are biotechs required to look for such changes.

Proper regulation and required safety testing are absolutely needed and we must have labels on these unique food crops, so unique and different that hey have patents.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Hey, look…more opinions!

Michael Polidori

Hey look… “adam” is still not posting and discussing any of the evidence “adam” claims exists proving GMO crops are safe for people and children to eat!!

What a surprise!

Michael Polidori

adam

A quick Google search and you can find lots of articles.

Crazy how you don’t post any about them being unsafe.
(I like how this guy separates people and children…I wonder if he knows children ARE people.)

Michael Polidori

AGAIN “Adam” claims there is a lot of evidence out there on Google, but refuses to list a link to or discuss a single piece of it.
Instead of discussion “adam” wonders if I know that children are people… too bad he doesn’t care if children eat contaminated GM food, the absolutely worst food we have ever allowed our kids to eat.
Food that is so bad for us, the FDA helps to hide it in our food supply. A simple label will stop it dead in its tracks.

Here’s some –
The USA Food and Drug Administration refuses to regulate or label GM crops. They claimed in the 1990s that GM crops are “substantially equivalent” to conventional and organic crops and do not need regulation or labeling.
The USDA and the EPA regulate GM crops because of the dangers they pose to farmland, other crops and the environment.
Neither the USDA or the EPA are concerned about the consequences of people or animals eating GM crops, they claim that is not their job.

GM crops now have at least two insecticides growing in them that cannot be washed off or cooked out. They also are immune to at least two herbicides. This allows for weed control by spraying the crops and the soil, which means herbicide residue on and inside the crop, which we and our children are now eating as part of our diet.
We have never had herbicide in our diet before, it is not safe.
RoundUp label – https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/monsanto/roundup.php

No feeding trials are required to be done on GMO foods by the FDA to ensure they are safe to eat.

Link to peer-reviewed research listed in journals or at the National Institutes of health databases, not to a blog or an article in a corporately biased mag like Forbes.

Your reference to a “skeptic” blog and Forbes marks you as a corporate shill, who has income dependent on helping corporate profit schemes.

Link to peer-reviewed research, and I will expose the problems conflicts and/or irrelevance of anything that you link to.
Demonstrate you at least have read the references by listing lead authors and conflicts of interest as well as sponsoring organizations.

Jon Entine of Forbes is a blogger and longtime shill for a variety of corporate profit schemes. I have questioned him before about the science he purports demonstrates a point he is trying to make. He ALWAYS fails to logically or honestly respond.
You couldn’t have picked a worse source.

The other site has been hatched from the pseudo-skeptic well-spring connected with Steven Novella and David Gorski.
I have destroyed both of them on their own blogs on a variety of subjects, with their loyal minions reduced to name-calling and hurling personal insults rather than using science-based evidence or facts.

The only apology I owe you is that I am sorry you have no morals, honesty or integrity.

Post some direct evidence you are properly prepared to discuss.

As always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

“Your reference to a “skeptic” blog and Forbes marks you as a corporate shill, who has income dependent on helping corporate profit schemes.”

Nice, can’t dispute the person, so I MUST resort to calling them a SHILL!

Really, can’t you do better than that? You claim to be willing to discuss this, then you just drop the shill label on people who do.

Sad.

Michael Polidori

Again. List some links to full studies available on the internet, NIH, PubMed or any peer-reviewed journal.
Linking to a blogger or an article in an online magazine isn’t proof of anything.

Post a link to one of the “thousands of studies” you shills claim are available.

I am ready to openly discuss them… why aren’t you?

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Because I have a life. I, nor anyone really has the time you seem to have to discuss this in length. Especially since I’ve done enough research to satisfy myself, and oddly enough the grand majority of the scientific community is in agreement. It seems you have done some research as well, but it seems contrary to science. Chem-trail much?

I am not the one worried about GMOs. They are vetted and have thousands (yes, thousands) of peer-reviewed studies. I’ve been eating them for well on 20 years, still going strong. If you are worried about them, cool, that’s your business.

But do everyone a favor, hmm? Stop spreading lies and falsehoods. You have not backed up but yet require it of others. Bring your own research since the science does NOT back you up.

Michael Polidori

AGAIN “adam” claims there are thousands of studies proving GM crops are safe to eat, but he refuses to post a single one and discuss it.

As Always – Never afraid of discussion,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Kind of like you. Your links are bad science. Internet trolling is all you are doing. You should find another hobby.

hyperzombie

You should be interested in the truth.

Funny.

“We have never consumed herbicides before, because plants sprayed with herbicides used to die.”
This statement is so wrong that it is hilarious. All crops are resistant to at least one herbicide. All wheat, rye, barley, and other cereal grains are resistant to 2-4-D.
Learn a bit about agriculture before posting in the future.

FrenchKissed

Yes, they have a right to decide what to put in their bodies, and if they don’t want to eat bio-engineered foods then they can buy food marked GMO free or organic.

I decided I wasn’t going to eat meat when I was a kid, so I know about the importance of labeling in making choices. I know that my dietary limitations place me outside the norm, and I’ve learned to function with the system in place.

I do appreciate it when food items have “vegetarian” written on the front of the label, but I don’t think foods containing meat should have to have “non-vegetarian” written clearly and conspicuously on the package.

If a food item does not say “vegetarian” or “non-vegetarian” on the package, I can figure it out because I have taken the time to learn a few things. For example, if the ingredient list includes pork, beef, chicken or fish (for example) and it doesn’t say “mock” or “meatless” right in front of it, I know it’s meat and I avoid it. I also know to avoid foods with rennet or gelatin.

In your case, you know that if the ingredient list includes vegetable or canola oil, corn, sugar (other than pure cane sugar) soy, papaya, zucchini or squash and it doesn’t say GMO free, then you can’t have it. Sure, some farmers still grow non-GM versions of those foods, but unless they sell it for the purpose of being non-GM ingredients, it all gets mixed together by the distributor and can’t be labeled specifically as GM free.

I know there are plenty of organic foods and GMO free foods sold because some of my favorite brands have jumped on that bandwagon and I no longer buy them (except on the rare occasion when I give in to temptation). Labeling foods as GM would not accomplish what you wish to accomplish anyway. They will still be grown and used because they are safe, viable food sources for this over populated planet.

Michael Polidori

Much of the farmland on our planet is under-utilized by subsistence farmers without modern farming methods or equipment.
Yet we still produce enough food to feed over 10 billion people on a planet with 7 billion.
GMOs have not been modified to produce more yield. They have been designed to hijack the largest commercial crops so the biotech companies can make windfall profits and eventually own all of the the world’s crops.

GMO propaganda is driven by pure simple greed, not for feeding the starving masses.

GMOs are not tested for nutrition or safety in the USA or Canada, where over 70% of the world’s GMO are grown.
Without proper regulation and mandatory long-term safety testing no one can say GMO are safe for eating.

Researchers/Geneticists who emphatically state GMO are harmful – Search for “GMO” and “Eric Seralini” OR “Mae Wan Ho” OR “Arpad Pusztai”.

Your post is disingenuous, at best.

Cairenn Day

Oh my, what a list of discredited researchers you posted. Not a single one of them have studies that have passed peer review.

There are extensive tests in the US, Can, and the EU.

I find it interesting that you are ignoring all of them.

That you lack of knowledge on the approved traits and testing implies that you have only read anti GMO sources. That is not the way to do proper research.

Your first reference is to tens years of EU funded GMO research, yet all EU countries either outright ban growing or sale of GMO OR they require labeling… which automatically kills the GMO market.

The USA is threatening to sue the EU over the labeling issue through the WTO.

Japan bans the growing or importation of any GMO, as do many other non-European nations on the planet.

Pick a peer-reviewed study that doesn’t require a subscription of payment of a fee, and discuss it.

Should be pretty easy for you to do this… no?

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Cairenn Day

You owe me a second apology.

Justin Jurek

Choices have consequences, and when your choices threaten to force me to pay more for my food, I have a right to put a stop to that choice.

Michael Polidori

We have an FDA to ensure our food is safe to eat and nutritious.

With GMO the appointed bureaucrats in charge have deliberately ignored their responsibilities for food safety and nutrition.

ALL genetically modified crops and animals need to be destroyed and the biotechs and their executives need to forfeit their ill-gotten gains from tampering with and contaminating our food supply.

Just like costs associated with growing organic foods and marketing them are higher, the costs of GMO food should be higher and that GMO food should be labeled.
That way we have a choice in what we eat.

We shouldn’t be forced to eat food whose safety and nutrition are not evaluated.
GMO crops have never have been openly and honestly evaluated in the USA or Canada to ensure they are safe to feed people or animals.

Post a study that demonstrates GMO crops are safe and nutritious, let’s have an open and honest discussion.

I don’t think you want openness and honesty. I think you are simply supporting the biotech agenda, no matter what nonsense you have to post, just like your comrades in this blog.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

You might as well argue evolution with a evangelical! They can always fall back on the “God did it” argument… You can’t debate against that.

Similarly, anti-GMO folk can deny any science with a “the study is tainted” argument. If ANY connection between the study and industry (or government groups that are ‘in on it’) can be made, the data is ignored.

Of course, the same level of scrutiny is never applied against scientists affiliated with anti-GMO activism.

Don Rusho

As much as they profess to dismiss all science as tainted by special interests, they LOVE tainted special interest “science” when it appeals to their biases – just look at that fraud, Seralini, and the way these people wave his paper around like it was printed on golden plates and they had the magic decoder crystal. Now that they have a “peer reviewed paper” to wield as a club, they won’t give it up until you pry it from their cold dead fingers.

durham kid

I would love untainted studies – but I have serious doubts about the credibility of the studies b/c there is so much money at stake. The same goes for some other important issues – we saw it with tobacco and we are seeing it with climate change. How are you supposed to trust anyone? Everyone has some ax to grind….whether they like or hate GMOs.

Jesse Redden

There is a simple way to know who to trust simply learn about the peer review process and learn how to evaluate the quality of a study. This would take time and can be boring and tedious unlike reading flashy graphics on the internet. I will start you off, Natural News is blatantly biased and is consistently voted the #1 anti-science site on the internet. Not a good source.

Michael Polidori

Natural News is branded “anti-science” by the pseudo-skeptics who constantly promote the fraudulent corporate science that Mike Adams rails against at the Natural News website.

Merck promoted Vioxx knowing it was killing people.

They tampered with data in the studies they submitted to journals.

They threatened peer-reviewers who tried to expose the deaths and injuries Vioxx was causing.

They paid publishing giant Elsevier to publish a FAKE JOURNAL to promote Vioxx with faked studies.

They paid Michael Weinblatt of Brigham and Women’s Hospital $70,000 in Merck stock to falsify his study. Weinblatt is still working today, making millions doing study after study for the drug industry, while holding multiple paid positions at different institutions.

Alise Reicin was a Merck scientist used to threaten other Drs and researchers around the country during Vioxx’s run.

She is now an executive at Merck.

Merck is completely anti-science when it comes to making profit, even when killing up to 58,000 Americans (According to the British Medical Journal The Lancet) with Vioxx.

This demonstrates the depths people running large corporations will
stoop to to make money – and killing people doesn’t bother them one bit. the biotech CEOs and board members are just as ruthless.

Don’t come here saying the anti-GMO crowd is anti-science… they are not.

They are clearly the more intelligent of the group of people posting here, using true science to support their positions while the pseudo-skeptics hurl personal insults, obscenities, deflections and lies.

Rigel54

Paranoia runs rampant. The fatal disease of today’s Western civilization. Your reasoning is compromised by paranoia.

Michael Polidori

Another GMO propagandist without a shred of evidence to support the safety claims.

Cairenn Day

Then why do y’all use Seralini and Carmen? Their studies were PAID for anti GMO groups.

Michael Polidori

LOL – And what do the anti-GMO groups have to gain by paying for these studies?
By the way, which anti-GMO groups funded the Seralini study?

Biotechs are out to own all of the world’s food supply for the money they will make… not to feed hungry people, not to save the sight of Asian children (Golden Rice was a failure, anyway), not to prepare for a growing population… just to own a resource that we all must have – FOOD!

GMOs are the most contaminated and least nutritious food we have ever eaten.
At least TWO pesticides in the crop that can’t be washed off or cooked out.
Several herbicides on the crop and absorbed through the roots.
Nutrients diverted to making pesticides or protecting the plant from herbicides.
Changes, both known and unknown, caused by the addition of genes from plants, animals, virus, bacteria and even human genes – these genetic changes could NEVER happen naturally or through ordinary hybridization techniques.

GMOs are unsafe as we currently produce them and we should stop growing them immediately.

Cairenn Day

MONEY that is what. Look at the sales in the organic industry.

Golden Rice is NOT a failure.

You have a very poor understanding of biotech and your are full of misinformation and prejudices

Try referring to peer reviewed studies that are available on the internet for free.
Using bloggers and newspaper opinion articles isn’t science-based evidence.
Pick a couple of studies that you claim support GMO safety and let’s discuss them, right here.

From the full text it is easy to see the manipulations this study may have undergone.
The authors claim that the difference between feed were 60% conventional and 60% GMO corn.
The other major feed constituent was soy.

Most soy is already genetically modified, but the authors never talk about what type of soy was chosen to supplement the feeds. Using organic feed or GMO feed will skew the results.

GMO soy would tip the scales in favor of GMO safety, while using organic soy would reveal more problems with GMO diets.

Aeschbacher et al also admit that transgenic events can happen with the bacteria in our mouths and guts, with bacteria absorbing some of the modified gene package components.
One of the genes used in the transgenic package is an antibiotic resistance marker gene.
When a bacteria absorbs this gene they become resistant to a specific antibiotic and develop some resistance to the entire family of related antibiotics.

If bacteria absorb the Bt176 gene they will start producing the Bt toxin.
The greatest danger of genetic modification si the transfer of antibiotic resistance genes to mouth and gut bacteria.

All biotechs use different antibiotic resistance marker genes, allowing the absorption of a variety of antibiotic resistance genes by bacteria living in the mouths and guts of animals and people.

This is a disaster for modern medicine, as more and more bacteria become resistant to more and more antibiotics and/or families of antibiotics.
Many develop multiple resistances… this is what bacteria do, absorb and utilize DNA fragments. They do it efficiently and it is part of the evolutionary mechanism that allows them to thrive and survive.

One of the crises we are in right now in Western medicine is antibiotic resistance.
How much of this crisis was brought about by the transfer of antibiotic resistance marker genes in GMOs to bacteria in people’s mouths and guts?
WE DON’T KNOW BECAUSE NO INDEPENDENT SCIENTISTS ARE LOOKING!! And if biotech has the proof, they will never reveal it voluntarily.

The Aeschbacher study was completely funded by Syngenta, one of the international giants in biotech.
If Syngenta doesn’t get the results it wants from these studies, then research money will go to others. Scientists and researchers know this. In order to get continued funding, results must support the safety of GMO.
Scientists and researchers ROUTINELY tamper with study design and data to seemingly get the “valid” results their sponsors want.

FDA doesn’t regulate GMO at all, despite contamination within and residues on ALL GMO food crops.
Contamination that has never been in our food supply before.
Contaminations that have NOT been studied long term, in people, by anyone.

GMO have to be considered unsafe until large long term independent studies are done PROVING they are as safe for us to eat as conventional and organic foods.

No such studies have been done with PEOPLE.

Studies supporting GMO safety that have been done on animals are manipulated in design or data culling, are short term (avoiding long term feeding trials) or have combination feeds (not purely GMO feed).

Mixing GMO with conventional feed also dodges the results Seralini et al found (who used only GMO feed in their animal studies).
The long-term mainstream studies that have been done with animals are always mixing GMO with conventional diets. Purely GMO feeding trials need to be done.

What happened? Rowett Institute initially supported him, then suspended him, then terminated his contracts. They also terminated his wife’s position, who also worked at Rowett.

Rowett not only attacked him, his wife and his work; but the British government joined in on the attacks.

Rowett had 6 anonymous “reviewers” criticize Pusztai’s work. But The Lancet, in 1999, published a letter from Pusztai about the research.

Pusztai’s had 20 colleagues all over the world come to his defense.
His work was exonerated, but ignored by mainstream scientists working for biotechs and regulatory offices. Governments influenced by biotech money, continue to criticize Pusztai’s work and his continuing publication of articles critical of the GMO industry.

He had worked at Rowett for 36 years when Rowett viciously turned on him… for telling the truth about GMO!!

The industry cannot be trusted to do honest research and cannot keep the free pass the FDA gave them in the USA, which is NO regulation by the FDA.

Labeling HAS to be required, so people have a choice in what they feed their kids and themselves.
Those costs of labeling and segregation have to be borne by the biotech organizations profiting from these foods and the people that want to buy them.

This is how the organic industry and people buying organic pay for the segregation and labeling so that they can CHOOSE to eat safely.

Anyone who wants to eat GMO should have the option to select it based on labeling.

There should be some advantage to the consumer that GMO have… cost, nutrition, safety… but there is NO advantage of GMO over organic or even conventional.

The reason GMO technology is being fraudulently and secretly pushed is the trillions it will make for the biotech company CEOs and executives that will control the entire world’s food supply.

Make no mistake that that is their goal… complete control of our food… for their personal profit.
There are no advantages for the consumer to justify the hidden hijacking of our food supply by corporate board rooms.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Michael Polidori

Bloggers and a newspaper article… try posting two studies that PROVE it is safe for anyone to eat GMO.
Let’s have a discussion.
There’s four or five of you shills on this blog that pretend there are THOUSANDS of studies showing GMO are safe for people to eat, yet none of you are ready to post and defend a single one of them.

Post two studies. List lead authors, conflicts of interest, sponsors and a short summary of the proof they are safe.
I’ve been asking, but you folks have been ducking and dodging.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Miles Stockdale

“By the way, which anti-GMO groups funded the Seralini study?”

The funding of Seralini’s work by Greenpeace and other similar groups is well known. Greenpeace would then promote his work and champion it for being independent research….despite the fact that not only was it not independent, but they were one of the main funders. As is the funding by “The Sustainable Food Alliance” (a group that is run by the heads of the Rodale Institute and The Soil Association and is a way for them to support bad science without their actual group’s names being associated with it) and of course CRIIGEN which funnels their funding through a shell corporation CERES to keep the donors secret.

Then there is the organic and woo promoting supermarket chain: Auchan and Carrefour and at least a half dozen other similarly ideological groups that fund his very biased and incredibly terrible work.

Michael Polidori

It’s independent research because it is funded by people who are not profiting from the technology.
What is the incentive for Greenpeace to investigate GMO? If the science is valid and the foods are safe, GreenPeace is wasting money that could be better spent for other causes GreenPeace and their contributors support.

GMO crops modified to produce at least two insecticides within the crop also exude the insecticides into the soil. this further degrades already nutrient depleted soils on conventional farms by destroying non-target insects and micro-organisms needed for nutrient production in live chemically rich, fertile soils.

PICK A SINGLE STUDY, the best you can find… we’ll have a discussion. One that is available without paying a fee or a subscription.

As always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth ans science,
Michael Polidori

Cairenn Day

It is from folks benefiting, you can stop lying.

WTF? ” also exude the insecticides into the soil. ” Nope they don’t. You lack a lot of knowledge. “Non target’ insects? BT only kills caterpillars that EAT the crop—another lie from you it seems

BTW , if you cared about children you would support Golden Rice.

Michael Polidori

Bt Toxins (one of at least two insecticides produced by GMO) are expressed in every part of the modified crop (Root to fruit). this includes the pollen, affecting bees and butterflies.

Bt is just one of the GMO associated/produced toxins suspected to be involved in honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD). Nicotine-based insecticides (used to coat GMO seeds) are the other likely culprit.

Golden Rice is a failed piece of biotech propaganda.
It was an attempt to make a gene-altered food that everyone could love. It was touted to prevent blindness in kids whose diets were deficient in vitamin A.

Some kids are deficient in vitamin A because their diet was mainly rice. Ordinary rice is deficient in many vitamins and minerals, not just vitamin A.

Trying to add a single vitamin to rice would make little difference to any child who is suffering multiple nutrient deficiencies. Other nutrients are needed for kids to be able to absorb and utilize vitamin A.

But what’s worse about this story is that Golden Rice was a failure in providing a sufficient amount of vitamin A in an ordinary serving of rice.
Even worse is that other vitamin and mineral deficiencies wouldn’t be taken care of.
Additionally, the costs associated with growing a patented product are outside a subsistence farmer’s or his country’s ability to pay.

The proper solution is to get these kids on a balanced diet, not to try to use their plight as a vehicle for spreading the contamination of GMO.

You expose yourself not only as a shill again, but as someone ready to take advantage of kids and abuse them, for profit.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but sociopaths usually aren’t capable of feeling anything for anyone other than themselves.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Seralini is founder and president of the scientific advisory board of the Committee of Research and Independent Information on Genetic Engineering (CRIIGEN), which is publicly opposed to genetically modified food. I’d be willing to bet any study he conducts or approves has a predetermined outcome, just based off of his previous work.

You state GMOs are the most contaminated and least nutritious food we have ever eaten. Got proof of that, or did you make that up again?

Michael Polidori

What is the safest of all foods to eat?
If grown to national organic standards, organic foods of course.

What is safer to eat –
1. Organic foods grown in live soils, meeting national organic standards for being chemical free and nutrient rich.
2. Conventional crops, grown in depleted soils, soils that have been repeatedly treated with herbicides, soils that do not meet national organic standards, crops that have been sprayed with chemical insecticides (proven to cause cancer and other adverse health effects, substances that can kill).
3. GMOs. GMOs are conventional crops with added problems.
a. DIRECT herbicide contamination on and in the crops
b. At least two poisonous proteins growing inside them that kill some insects
c. Chemical insecticides for the insects that the crop-produced toxins don’t kill
d. Known and unknown nutrient/toxin changes due to the forced RANDOM insertion of a package of genes from virus, bacteria and/or animals.

Out of those three food growing methods, which is safer?

Which would you want to eat, exclusively, for every meal for the rest of your life?

Which food would you want to feed your children?

Adam is clearly not interested in discussion. He claims I am “making things up”, though he never produces any evidence showing anything I have posted is wrong.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Michael Polidori

The Europeans are treating GMO with the caution and testing they deserve… as well as labeling.
GMO crops are pushed by biotech company CEOs and executives because they are profit making machines.

GMO also naturally contaminate conventional and organic crops, helping to destroy the competition through pollen transfer carried by insects, birds and wind.

GMO produce toxic substances (insect resistant = 2 toxic proteins growing in the plant) or need toxic inputs (Multiple herbicides sprayed on herbicide resistant GMO, to control weeds).
The GMO with insecticides growing inside them still have to be sprayed with conventional chemical insecticides.

These insecticidal proteins have never been part of our food before.
We have never eaten food contaminated with herbicide inside and out.
We have never sprayed the tons of herbicide we are currently using on live growing fields of crops all over the USA and Canada, contaminating farmland, water tables, rivers and lakes.

This is not safe or sustainable… but it makes plenty of money for the biotech and chemical industries… while contaminating our food in ways that has never happened before.
Farmers are charged expensive prices for seed, have to sign a contract not to save seed, buy new seed for every planting, pay a technology fee for every acre every time they plant and agree to testing of their crops for years if they decide they no longer want to grow GMO.

These are simple truths and show that GMO have to be considered inherently unsafe without long-term independent feeding trials of ONLY gene-altered foods… first on animals, then on people.

Until these foods are properly and scientifically cleared of doing harm to animals, people and the environment there should be a moratorium on growing these crops.

Post any independent study you claim demonstrates GMO are safe for people to eat.
I will show it is too conflicted to be believed, is wrong, is irrelevant to food safety and/or nutrition… OR, if I am unable to do any of that, I will apologize and thank you for correcting me.

Post your best two studies, let’s have an open and honest discussion.
Make sure the studies are available online for free.
Be prepared to discuss lead authors and their conflicts, the sponsors of the studies and their conflicts, the methods and study design, as well as the data and the conclusions

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

While I applaud your apparent willingness to have a discussion, you fail to provide any credible evidence to support your claim. GMOs have been in our food supply for over 20 years, is heavily tested (moreso that any conventional plant), and we are doing pretty damn well.

There is no credible peer-review study that I am aware of that states that GMOs are unsafe. Oh, there are many, many, that are not peer-reviewed, and there are several that say “maybe”, but they do not stand up to study, peer-review, and reproducibility. And I haven’t seen you post anything stating they are unsafe, other than your opinion.

In your above post, you make many, many claims, such as “This is not safe or sustainable… but it makes plenty of money for the biotech and chemical industries… while contaminating our food in ways that has never happened before”, “These insecticidal proteins have never been part of our food before” (news flash….plants have evolved to create their own insecticide before, making it part of our food), and “GMO also naturally contaminate conventional and organic crops, helping to destroy the competition through pollen transfer carried by insects, birds and wind”. Yet, nowhere do you post evidence of those claims. Hypocrite much?

At the end, you pretty much just end all arguments with everyone by creating your list of demands for discussion, demands that no one with a job not actively involved in biotech, including you, can answer. Why? Most people have a life. Your list pretty much states “Hey, no one can prove me wrong because no one has the time!”.

Well, the onus is on the GMO-deniers, believe it or not. Thousand of studies back up the technology, not to mention the fact we, you included, have been eating GMOs for over 20 years. (Come on, in the last 20 years, you know you’ve eaten them, even unknowingly). There is no evidence…zippo, zero, zilch…that GMOs cause harm because the method of evolution changed.

All you have done is fear-monger without credible proof…good job.

Michael Polidori

Arpad Pusztai’s and Eric Seralini’s work are proof that GMO, when used as the exclusive diet of lab animals, can cause grievous harm and death.
Genetic engineering of bacteria caused the infamous L-tryptophan poisoning in 1989.

Your attempt to claim GMO are safe because there is no record of anyone being injured is disingenuous. If no one knows who is eating GMO or how much they are eating, then no one can know or even guess that GMO are causing harm.

Then you lie that genetic engineering, as practiced by biotechs hijacking our food supply, is just another form of evolution.
No it isn’t. You know it isn’t, yet you lie about that anyway.

Scientists have transferred genes from insects, animals, bacteria and virus into our food crops. That has never happened with classic evolution. It CANNOT happen.
Yet you tell the lie anyway.

There is no proof that GMO are safe.
I’ve asked you shills to post and discuss any study that is available for free on the internet or at the NIH or PubMed databases, or any peer-reviewed journal that publishes the full studies for free… but all of you continue to avoid discussing a single study with me.

Post one or two studies with links to the full study, that prove GMO crops are safe for people and children to eat.
Let’s have an open and honest discussion.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Ah, yes, call people shills when you can’t win an argument.

Stay classy, Michael Polidori. Stay classy.

Michael Polidori

AGAIN, with a chance to discuss “adam” ducks and runs.
Anyone who blindly spouts biotech industry propaganda without being able to defend it is either a dupe, an ignorant person or a shill.

“adam” could be all three. If he would try to debate the issues, we would find out..

The Seralini and Pusztai studies stand as peer-reviewed excellent examples of true science proving GM crops are not safe for people to eat.

Nothing “adam” can post will change that.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

adam

Because you are a troll spouting bad science.

adam

It is a strange mix of narcissism and paranoia that makes people, like you, believe that anyone with a different opinion must be a paid spokesperson of some elaborate conspiracy.

You use Seralini (discredited, bad science) and Pusztai (announced experiment results before the experiment was completed, discredited, bad science) as proof. And those studies were not peer reviewed, I have no idea where you got that blatant falsehood from.

Try reading their findings. In the interest of truth and science, there is no truth or science in any of those studies you so proudly claim states GMOs are bad. Seralini used rats that develop cancer at abnormally high rates during their lifetime to “prove” that GMO corn and Glyphosate cause cancer.

I mean, if that’s the best you’ve got, no wonder you aren’t taken seriously.

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Alexander J. Stein

Given that there are close to 2000 papers (if not more) that support the safety of GMOs — http://dx.doi.org/10.3109/07388551.2013.823595 — it may take some time to enter all their names in the “Scientists” section of the overview of “Monsanto Collaborators”. (Even if some scientists will have contributed to more than just one paper, usually there is also more than just one author.)

Perhaps the makers of the hit list can order those thousands of experts who found no problem with the safety of GMOs by country and then by postal code, or they risk that their list becomes a bit unwieldy… (Or they simply hack into Monsanto’s computer system — all those names and addresses of all those scientists from all around the world must be somewhere on the payroll from where they can be copied and pasted easily.)

durham kid

How many of those 2000 papers were commissioned by Monsanto?

How many papers are there questioning the safety of GMOs? And how many unbiased studies have been commissioned?

There is an awful lot of money at stake here – just like in the fossil fuel and the tobacco industries. People fundamentally understand and are suspicious of that – as they should be.

facts

It seems like you are the one who should be providing those facts. Please, tell us — how many are commissioned by Monsanto?

Alexander J. Stein

Kid, indeed, as I said, they should all be on the payroll of Monsanto! But I hope the makers of the list don’t get discouraged facing the herculean task of listing them all… (And never mind the conflict of interest statements that are part of many of these papers, where most of the authors do not mention any industry links at all — obviously such people will not refrain from lying as all their results are fabricated already anyway.)

But talking about all the money that’s at stake, that’s also true for the over $80 BILLION worth of the organic/natural food market — in the US alone! So I’m a bit puzzled now. Quite obviously Monsanto must pay all the scientists in the world who claim they find no fault with GMOs, but how can I trust those people who claim organics are somehow superior? Might not the organic guys be behind all that? Any insights on that?

Aidan Benelle

Very interesting article about Monsanto tactics: Muzzled by Monsanto

Is Big Ag squelching research showing its new RNAi GMOs may be dangerous?

“I didn’t use to be an anti-GMO person and I didn’t use to have strong feelings about Monsanto, but …,” she says, her voice trailing off.

“But that was before the Chinese research, before the calls from Monsanto, before she couldn’t get funding for work that she feels could change the way we treat cancer and other diseases. Her research put her at odds with one of the most powerful corporations in the world.”

Once organic became big business, one (sadly) had to be skeptical. If there is money involved, you have to wonder…

That having been said, th organic market is a PITTANCE compared to the money that Monsanto has at stake.

BTW: you mention $80 billion for the organic/natural food market. You do realize that ‘natural’ means almost nothing – so it begs the question of HOW MUCH of that $80 billion market is truly organic…?

Miles Stockdale

The European Commission has funded well over 100 independent safety tests by more than 500 independent research groups. That you don’t know anything about that, or anything about GMOs in general, or other plant propagation methods, but yet have come to a conclusion that is at complete odds with all of the major scientific organizations says a lot about you.

Aidan Benelle

Most importantly the EU recognises the consumers’ right to information and labelling as a tool for making an informed choice.

Since 1997 Community legislation has made labelling of GM food mandatory for:

products that consist of GMO or contain GMO;
products derived from GMO but no longer containing GMO if there is still DNA or protein resulting from the genetic modification present

Miles Stockdale

EU labeling had zero to do with consumer’s right to information. It was and is pure protectionism for inefficient farming techniques and has resulted in food costing about twice as much the budget for families.

The few areas where the EU was not far behind (cheese and beer which both are often made with GM microbes) were and are exempted from labeling. Why? I thought this was about a consumer’s right to information? Things like oils and sugars where there is no trace of GM present, but are derived from GM plants must be labeled. As there is no difference, regulations requires companies to keep traceability records for years, and the liability issues scare companies away from entering the 21st century. The regulatory process has no other purpose then to increase the cost of GM foods and deter those foods from coming in and competing with an inefficient agricultural sector. This will continue until Europeans have finally decided that they have had enough of paying twice as much for food that is no safer or better for them.

Unlike in North America where people currently have the choice of buying food with voluntary labeling, and paying more to satisfy their pseudo-science preference, while the rest of us have the choice to not pay more for our food. In Europe they don’t have that choice. They are forced to pay more for food. I understand that people like you will stop at nothing to force the rest of us to pay more money for food. Hopefully we will not be stupid enough to fall for the fear-mongering and nonsense spread by liars, conspiracy theorists and crackpots.

Aidan Benelle

Obviously incorrect

Don Rusho

Don’t tell me, let me guess: you are really gullible.

“I know that the EU passed these regulations because it respects my human rights, rather than as a cynical international trade maneuver, because they said so here on this piece of paper.”

durham kid

Yeah, right, Don – and the billions at stake for Monsanto don’t have any affect on the outcome of the GMO debate – just like the tobacco debate. Wouldn’t that make you pretty gullible?

Rigel54

What about the billions at stake for European agriculture. Has it not occurred to you that this is an industry battle of old tech against new tech?

Aidan Benelle

Don’t tell me, let me guess: you are really gullible.

Its you the gullible one for not realizing why we don’t have labeling in the U.S.

Rigel54

The EU passed these regulations to handicap American competitors without taking responsibility for it. They hope to cripple American agriculture and gain market share. It’s not only Americans who can be gullible idiots.

http://beginingsinwriting.wordpress.com/ R.w. Foster

Here’s something funny for you: GMOs are labeled in the US. Go to images.google.com and enter, “GMO labels.” You will see many types of labels for GMOs.

durham kid

If that were true (that GMOs were labelled), then why the big fights over the votes in Washington and California last year?

http://beginingsinwriting.wordpress.com/ R.w. Foster

Because knuckleheads who neither know, nor understand, what they’re talking about are bitching about a whole other batch of labels. These, unlike the ones are ready used, would be nothing more than propaganda to scare people.

Probably the same reason why there are fights over the lord”s prayer being said in school, abortion rights, Obama being Nigerian, and all sorts of other stupid stuff.

Rigel54

That is because, per “Durham Kid,” the consumer is an idiot.

Aidan Benelle

Take a look at “Muzzled by Monsanto” link below

Jesse Redden

Is it so hard to imagine that a study of genetically modified foods would be commissioned by a company that produces them? Like the other poster asked, please provide a credible source for who commissions the study of GMOs. There are no parallels between tobacco, big oil and GMO products except scientific consensus. The scientific consensus says GMO is safe.

Rigel54

Any paper investigating the safety of GMOs is by definition questioning it. Pretty close to all of them have answered that they appear safe. You are a paranoid in search of the unachievable absolute unanimity, which even then you would not trust.

Michael Polidori

My challenge to Alexander – List ANY two papers demonstrating the long term safety of consuming GMO for animals or people.

There isn’t any true science demonstrating safety.
GMOs have been promoted not for their necessity or healthfulness… it is only the profit involved in patenting/owning the entire world’s food supply that motivates anyone to be pro-GMO.

GMO cause a huge increase in pollution of our environment through mandatory use of herbicides like Round-up to take advantage of the crops’ new traits.
Millions of tons of herbicides are now sprayed every year, mainly in the USA and Canada. This contaminates not only the farmland and aquifers, but also the food.

Genetically altering food crops with a PACKAGE of genes from a VARIETY of other-than-plant lifeforms, without any long or short term science-based safety studies is clear ANTI-science and ANTI-food-safety.
Altering a food crops genome to produce toxins that kill insects also takes away the building blocks for some of the nutrients the crop is supposed to make. NO alterations are made to crops o increase absorption of nutrients to compensate for the extra work and extra substances needed to create these insecticides that are now in every part of some genetically modified crops.

GMO are the most contaminated and least nutritious foods we have ever put on our tables. They have all the problems of conventional crops grown in nutrient-depleted soils, with the added contamination of herbicides sprayed directly on crops and farmland and/or toxic insect-killing proteins in every part of the plant (from root to fruit).

Of course Alexander knows this, but ignores the truth to blindly support the continuing hijacking or our food supply, for profit or transnational biotech corporations.

Capitalism run amok.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Michael Polidori

Provide a link to any single study of these 2000.
Don’t list studies that require a paid subscription to view.
It is very easy to expose any of these studies as NOT proving GMO are safe to eat.

As always,
For the protection of children and people the world over,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Spamihazit

Where do these people come from? Spreading lies and craziness like this should be criminal. Arguing with an anti-GMO activist is like playing chess with a pigeon. Eventually they just knock over all the pieces and poo on the board.

Michael Polidori

I see you don;t have any evidence or argument to demonstrate that herbicide-contaminated and insecticide-producing food crops are safe to eat.
You also don;t have any evidence to demonstrate that the nutritional content of the food hasn’t been altered as well.

The “Green Revolution” has failed the test of sustainability, but made TRILLIONS in profits (over the decades) for the chemical and oil industries. No one knows the costs to our health for the contamination we have eaten and fed to our children over those same decades.

Biotech companies/Chemical producers are abusing the promising technology of genetic engineering to make more TRILLIONS directly from our food budgets using techniques to make food modifications that have not been properly tested for safety and nutrition.
Techniques and seed products that are too expensive to be utilized by under-developed or developing nations with millions of starving people.

Biotech is for profit only, without regard to sustainability or safety or feeding the hungry.

Biotech CEOs and executive boards hijack developed nations largest and most profitable commercial crops using insufficiently/improperly tested and inherently unsafe manipulations of DNA… combining plant, animal, viral and bacterial DNA without regulation from the FDA.
FDA considers GMO “substantially equivalent” to conventional and organic crops, and therefore do not need regulation.
The FDA requires organic crops (the safest of all foods) to be labeled, yet allows the unsafest of foods ever produced on the planet (GMO) to go unlabeled and untested and unregulated.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Neil

Haha! I think he’s started deleting comments. This morning a bunch of people asked to be put on his death list but now I can’t see those comments. What a clown.

J. Fischer

Someone should ask him how Monsanto plans to make money off murdering their entire customer base. If everybody’s dead, who’ll buy their products?

durham kid

Your argument has flaws: the tobacco industry has been doing “murdering their customer base” for decades – the business model does work – at least for awhile.

While tobacco use is clearly a LOT more dangerous to health to GMOs, I still do not trust the safety of GMOs.

kurzweilfreak

Are you retarded? People have been consuming tobacco for over 3000 years. It’s not like tobacco products just popped up in the 1950s and no one had ever seen it before. A few thousand years is a tough tradition to break, regardless of how bad for you it is. There’s no way cigarettes would ever be approved by any regulatory agency today had they not already existed for longer than western civilization. To compare the tobacco industry to GMO technology is hilarious.

durham kid

Your point has nothing to do with mine – go re-read it.

Michael Polidori

Your comment is hilarious.

You pretend that cigarettes wouldn’t be approved by regulatory agencies today, without the long history of use they have.

Yet those same government agencies have allowed vaping to happen unregulated.
Also, they still allow dozens of chemicals to be added to tobacco that don’t occur naturally.
The BP oil spill occurred partly throguh bribing MMS regulators with cocaine and sex.
Fracking is happening all over the country, responsible for polluting groundwater for tens of millions of Americans and causing thousands of small earthquakes.
Merck knew Vioxx was killing tens of thousands of Americans and so did the FDA, yet it was allowed to stay on the market for 5 years. The FDA whistleblower who finally exposed what the FDA and Merck knew was persecuted and had to seek whistleblower protection.

Your implication is that GMO are safe to eat because the FDA doesn’t regulate them… that is laughable, when you put that statement in the proper context of current bad practices by regulatory agencies and government officials bribed by corporations.

But that is not your purpose here. You just want to create and post soundbites supporting GMO or criticizing people who are concerned that the truth is not being told, without evidence to support any of your ridiculous & logically-bereft postings.

Post a study, try discussing it… you won’t do that openly and honestly. That is not what you are here for.

But I challenge you to do just that… have an open and honest discussion about GMO safety and nutrition.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Doug Ducat

If this: “it is the moral right — and even the obligation — of human beings
everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged
in heinous crimes against humanity” is true, then Mike Adams should be the one on the lookout for snipers.

JH

When someone starts implying that it’s OK to harass, injure or kill people, it’s time to draw attention to them. I hope it draws the attention of Federal law enforcement authorities.

Turtleman

Did the FBI pick him up yet, or is Mikey hiding in Ecquador?

camille_h

Oh stop this nonsense. It is perfectly reasonable for people to begin to understand that we do urgently need to look into the origin & manipulation of the ingredients that go into our industrialized food supply. I’ve read dizzying statistics about what percentage does or doesn’t contain undisclosed GMO ingredients. From our deplorable factory farms to wasteful packaging, I can see many more consumers, people formerly known as your fellow Americans or citizens & not just mere passive “consumers”- I can see more & more people questioning our food supply & sketchy preservatives in the actual marketplace. That’s a good thing. Don’t use this odd news story to try to smear everyday people who are asking questions about to what extent we are or are not lab rats. And pity the poor real lab rats as well. Not to defend one person who appears to be presenting a more extreme viewpoint.

PS It is clear from the comment section & pro-GMO cheerleading that Discover is now simply astroturf.

Tyler Hurson

Where did he compare Adams to casual anti-GMOers? In fact, in paragraph 9, Kloor goes out of his way to differentiate between Adams and other anti-GMOers, even calling Adams and his type a “shrill minority” among the GMO lunacy.

camille_h

Hi Tyler- You are right (although I strongly object to your characterizing the concerns my fellow Americans have about the ongoing accelerated laboratory experiments we have now formerly known as “food” as “GMO lunacy.”

That said, there’s a very visible & disturbing trend at Discover & at other publications that are starting to operate more like PR firms for certain industries. At National Geographic, it’s all suddenly pro-fracking. Which is bizarre, considering the incredible damage to the water table that is being done by pumping metric tons of poison into our water table.

This “article” is more like a petty blog fight than an actual article is my point. It is nearly as unprofessional as the thing it critiques. I’m not keen on anyone making terroristic threats. I do understand intellectually the frustration people have who are fearful of the incredible hubris we have as a species that we can just manipulate resources on this planet

Miles Stockdale

If you are worried about the manipulating of resources of this planet by humans you should stay as far away from computers and the internet as possible.

camille_h

Thank you for your incredible insight. Really.

Miles Stockdale

A person who views Discover’s attempt to explain basic science as industry astroturf is not capable of gaining insight anyways. You are guided by fear and misinformation, and you label technologies you personally dislike based on gut feeling as manipulation of the resources on this planet, while the technologies you do like are fine.

Mariel Thomson

Here’s How Conde Nast and Mo Rocca Are Making Propaganda for Monsanto This is at gawker.com

FosterBoondoggle

Translation: “They are telling me things I don’t want to hear and refuse to believe, so they must be getting paid off to do it.”

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk Guy Chapman

Wait, so this website you discuss is an example of Poe’s Law for GMOs instead of creationism? Life is getting weird.

http://agonisticliberal.com/ Shane Taylor

Mike Adams, in short: Monsanto collaborators are Nazis carrying out a new holocaust. Assassinating Nazis is your moral duty. But if a vigilante actually kills one of the collaborators, I should not be prosecuted for any violation of the law. Anyone who claims otherwise is part of a false flag operation. You see, the Nazis *want you to think* that anti-GMO activists are out to kill them. Because holocaust.

durham kid

Mike Adams does appear to be an extremist but that does not affect my concern about GMOs. It is just as illogical to decide that climate change is not real b/c you think Al Gore is not credible or crazy or whatever.

The big question for me is: when 80 to 90% of the public wants GMO labelling (so they can decide for themselves what they are going to eat), which 60 or so other countries do, and yet we cannot pass GMO labelling laws in this country (due to massive amounts of corporate lobbying), something is badly amiss – and democracy is in serous trouble.

Neil

It’s all about the credibility. People like you believe the clowns at natural news while ignoring credible experts such as the National Academy of Sciences and the WHO. THAT is when democracy it’s in serious trouble.

durham kid

Actually, Neil, we are in trouble when anonymous people on the internet make gross generalizations about “people like you” with hardly any knowledge of where the person is coming from.

I could assume you are a Monsanto lobbyist (are you?) or an ill-informed person (maybe you are?) or perhaps someone who has done a bunch of research on the subject and has found different info than I. I do wonder but I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Meanwhile, you still did not address my most important point: when 80 to 90% of the public wants GMO
labelling …..and yet we cannot pass GMO
labelling laws in this country,…. something is badly amiss – and democracy is in serous
trouble.

bobito

I was against GMO when I first heard about it many years ago. I thought things like the plants were irradiated and that the genetic alterations were playing god and that it was a bad idea. Then I did some research and found that my opinion was based on bad information/assumptions I had picked up along the way.

So, when I was uninformed about GMOs, I would have certainly said “Yes, I want it labeled”. But now that I am informed I would say, “No, I don’t want it labeled”.

I have no problem believing that 80-90% of people in the USA are uninformed on the GMO subject.

So, should we intact something to pacify the uninformed? Or make decisions based on facts and logic?

durham kid

Bob: it is an extremely complex subject. Of course, it is a lot easier to prove that GMOs are unsafe than that they are safe – b/c we can always look further and may find an example of where they are unsafe. The idea is to determine if they are GENERALLY safe, which is a conclusion that society must make as a whole.

I am not sure where you got your information – and I am not asking you to justify it, since it was over a long period of time. I do know that knowing the source of the info is critical – so one can have a skeptical eye about it.

I have an friend who does not get involved in political discussions. He has a Phd in Environmental Engineering and has had some minor health issues lately, related to his gut. In a discussion with him, he mentioned that my generally cautious approach to eat less processed, less meat, organic (and thus non-GMO) was a good one – bc/ some of the things in GMO food they pass through the digestive tract more easily and now our bodies are being exposed to stuff that our bodies are not accustomed to.

My point is that this is one example of an issue with GMOs. Have we missed a lot more?

What about the super-weeds that are growing resistant to Monsanto’s Roundup Ready crops? You won’t read about that from Monsanto – but who has the money to study it?

But…back to your other point: you say that you “have no problem believing that 80-90% of people in the USA are uninformed on the GMO subject.”

Who are you (or I) to make that decision for others? When more information comes out, who are you or I to say the people were “uninformed”? And, as frustrating as it may be, people may follow a wise path for the wrong reasons; thus, some may oppose GMOs for what you or I call illogical reasons but they may be right about GMOs being unsafe for a yet unknown reason.

PS. thanks for your respectful post – that is the most important part of any discussion.

bobito

“Of course, it is a lot easier to prove that GMOs are unsafe than that they are safe”

Why would you say that? Humans have been genetically modifying foods for thousands of years? We just have now found ways of generating mutations more easily/quickly.

“The idea is to determine if they are GENERALLY safe, which is a conclusion that society must make as a whole”

I found it on every main stream news and science outlet. Where are you finding the information that GMOs are not safe?

“What about the super-weeds”

My understanding is that the only people that should be concerned about so called “super-weeds” are Monsanto. Because the only thing super about them is that they resist Monsanto’s cash cow RoundUp. If RoundUp stops killing weeds, then people won’t buy RoundUp. Other than that, nothing to see here. But the “super-weed” jargon certainly makes it SOUND like an issue…

“Who are you (or I) to make that decision for others?”

Decisions should be made using logic and reason. I see little of either from the anti-gmo crowd. But they seem to be VERY good at marketing! I see the 80-90% of people want labeling number a lot. Why is it that when it comes up to vote it’s been voted down each time? Because, when it comes up to vote, the pro-GMO crowd gets it’s chance to market it’s opinion (and the scientific facts that back up said opinion). So far, logic and reason is undefeated on votes in this country about labeling. So, when people are informed, it seems that less that 50% of people want labeling…

durham kid

“Humans have been genetically modifying foods for thousands of years? We
just have now found ways of generating mutations more easily/quickly.”

That is precisely the issue: for one thing the modifying was done by seed selection and other simple options that did not involve the mixing of various genes together that could never get there in nature. The fact that the process took thousands of years was a large PART of why it was safe (in addition to the fact above about gene mixing).

We do pass laws respecting the right of freedom of religion – so, in fact we have passed laws based on this.

“If RoundUp stops killing weeds, then people won’t buy RoundUp. Other than that, nothing to see here.”

There are questions about the safety of RoundUP, And what about those of us who don’t want super weeds in our gardens and don’t want to use things we believe are poisonous, like Roundup?

RE: the campaigns to label GMOs – if you followed them, you might know that the success in marketing was by the GMO crowd – they claimed that there would be a huge cost to labeling, which was a ridiculous lie. The fight over GMO labeling can be summed up, IMHO, as a fight of big corporations having a lot more resources than the other side – they outspent the anti-GMOP crowd by something like 40:1 – you call that a fair fight with an informed public? – please!!)

WE have very different perspectives – I hope you have thought a bit about my concerns and points.

I have to leave for the weekend – enjoy.

bobito

“did not involve the mixing of various genes together that could never get there in nature”

This is incorrect, the correct way to phrase it is “it would be highly unlikely to get there in nature”. Genes are on/off switches, technically any mutation is possible. When you are looking for a specific mutation is where GMO plays it’s role because gives you more chances of finding it.

“There are questions about the safety of RoundUP, And what about those of us who don’t want super weeds in our gardens and don’t want to use things we believe are poisonous, like Roundup?”

A bit of moving the goal post on me here. Certainly the safety of any herbicide should be scrutinized. The questions about it’s safety is coming from the fringes not the main stream. And, btw, if you don’t want to use RoundUP, it wouldn’t matter if a superweed landed in your garden because, again, the only thing super about it is RoundUP won’t kill it. So, whatever other method you choose to rid yourself of the superweed would be exactly the same. The only option you’ve lost is using RoundUP to kill it.

Yes, on the voting issues the corporations have spent lots of money to disprove opinions that are not based in scientific fact. Can you blame them for that?

I consider all information put before me, but I’m certainly not going to give your opinions more weight than that of the scientific community.

Miles Stockdale

“That is precisely the issue: for one thing the modifying was done by seed selection and other simple options that did not involve the mixing of various genes together that could never get there in nature. The fact that the process took thousands of years was a large PART of why it was safe (in addition to the fact above about gene mixing).”

Your view of plant breeding is at complete odds with the last 100 years, and even in the couple thousands years before that. I recommend people educate themselves by reading the book on the history of plant breeding “Hybrid” by Kingsbury, but they never do.

If you don’t want to use things like round-up in your garden, then don’t (It is of course not poison, but you are free to believe whatever nonsense you want, although public policy should not be driven by nonsense beliefs). If you don’t use something like round-up then it would be completely irrelevant whether the weeds are round-up resistant or not. When I read that paragraph I can’t help but feel that you don’t know much about these issues. And eliminating GMOs, would not eliminate “superweeds” (other then it being a completely nonsensical term made up by people pushing an ideological agenda), or herbicide resistant crops, as the clearfield varieties of many crops demonstrate. And seriously, more then a decade before GMO herbicide resistant crops were commercialized there were several varieties of round-up resistant crops created through somaclonal mutation breeding.

Miles Stockdale

“He mentioned that my generally cautious approach to eat less processed, less meat, organic (and thus non-GMO) was a good one – bc/ some of the things in GMO food they pass through the digestive tract more easily and now our bodies are being exposed to stuff that our bodies are not accustomed to.”

So your PhD friend simply makes up completely absurd things when it comes to things outside of his field. Not really surprising.

durham kid

No, Miles, you don’t know him at all. He’s one of the smartest people I know (and I know quite a few) and his degree is in environmental engineering. He understands things very quickly and does not need to talk about things he does not understand or know.

You, on the other hand, can’t seem to NOT condescending. Sadly, there is a lot of that on the internet – it really takes away from having an open robust discussion when so many just want to be ruce and score points.

Miles Stockdale

If he believes what you claim he does then he is a complete loon, who is so far removed from scientific understanding on this topic that it is not a case that he knows nothing, but that he knows less then nothing, as what he “knows” is flat out wrong.

durham kid

What amazes me about people who want to convince others of their point is that, when on-line, they are incredibly rude and condescending – something they would never do in person. Do you really think that makes your point?

What are your credentials, Miles? Are you a scientist? Does your livelihood depend on GMOs succeeding? Do you work for the marketing dept of Monsantos? Are you someone who just reads a lot of journals?

Whatever your POV, your delivery style really takes away from any point you might make. If you were confident of those points, you wouldn’t need to be so condescending…

Miles Stockdale

I long ago realized that there was no sense trying to change the minds of conspiracy theorists, creationists, anti-vaxers, climate deniers, anti-GMO activists, holocaust deniers etc. Tons of evidence shows that people who hold those views are almost always impervious to reality.

As to what my credentials are, they are none of your business. I don’t make arguments from authority using myself and therefore my credentials are irrelevant. I will say that I have no connection to any biotechnology company.

My interest in this topic is simple. 1) I once held anti-gmo views because I was duped by the lies that have been spread by anti-gmo activists. 2) I am beyond tired of the decent people who are trying to feed the world being crapped on, and lied about, by no-nothing idiots. You may think that I am rude and condescending to you. Well that is nothing compared to the way you, and others like you, treat decent hardworking farmers, plant scientists, and others in the field. You spread malicious lies about them, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Aidan Benelle

Insightful post-

Many people with cautionary views towards GM’s, are concerned about the initial superficial 3 month rat studies provided by industry for approval of this technology.The area of concern that your friend has pointed out ie: increased GI tract problems (which are statistically going of the charts, especially in children) where are the responsible parties funding efforts to get to the root causes of these concerns? Without labeling the basis for cause on effect can not be established.

Neil

Nope. 20+ years experience in the field of recombinant DNA. So I smell better than you.

But you ask a fair question and I do apologize, I was busy multitasking this morning and did not address it.From my perspective what you are asking is:

After 17 years of an activist orchestrated fear campaign – that had no scientific basis when it started and STILL has no scientific basis now – 80 to 90% of the public wants GMO labeling and they don’t have it. Does this prove democracy doesn’t work?

Answer: no. It proves that people are still susceptible to fear campaigns.

And “we are in trouble when anonymous people on the internet make gross generalizations about “people like you” with hardly any knowledge of where the person is coming from”.

Oh puhlease.

We are in trouble when legitimate, multi-year scientific experiments into the safety of rDNA crops are destroyed by vandals.

We are in trouble when laboratories that are associated with GM technologies are burnt to the ground.

We are in trouble when high profile activists call for the killing of “Monsanto collaborators”.

Miles Stockdale

The bottom line is if you polled people about whether “x” should be labeled, a very large percentage will say yes, no matter what “x” is. In polls which ask people what should be added to labels, GMOs are far down the list. In polls in which you ask people if GMOs should be labeling but the labeling will come with a financial cost, the percentage of support labeling falls below 50% even if the financial cost is small.

The claims of a massive % wanting labeling has fallen apart in two state votes.

Farmer Guy

You may be a physicist but you obviously don’t know anything about plant breeding or how push polls work.
Can you explain how the 2 most liberal states in the country cant pass legislation when, as you claim, 80-90% of people want labeling?

durham kid

The pro-GMO crowd had – what was it? – about 40 times as much money to spend – and they only won by under 5 percentage points, if I remember correct. A lot of money can sway an election – but, it would be better spent educating people if you are so sure GMOs are safe.

Farmer Guy

The evidence you ask of is all over the internet. Try the WHO, NAS, EFSA, etc etc etc

durham kid

Your assumptions make a fool out of you – I am a physicist who probably has a more rigorous sniff test than you do.

ssadram

This thread is an example of the conflation I complained about in the tl:dr I just posted. A request for GMO labeling is perfectly reasonable. All kinds of things that someone or other has raised health scares about are currently identified on food labels. People still buy them. The only argument for NOT labeling is to assume that consumers as a whole are so irrational they’ll do themselves harm by avoiding anything labeled as containing GMOs. First, any visit to the grocery department at Wal-Mart will evidence how few people care about any aspect of food labeling. Second, GMO scares ≠ anti-vax scares. If someone passes up a GMO-containing food product for an conventional alternative, they’re not going to get sick or spread a deadly epidemic. Third, in cases where food labeling does result in a shift in consumer habits — identification of trans fats, for example — the market responds and offers mass produced products that meet the demand at more-or-less reasonable prices: which acts to undermine the appeal of the scam artists pushing massively-overpriced ‘solutions, to the same problem.

When you start to think “If Mike Adams is for it, it must be BS, so I’m against it” or “If Mike Adams is against it, it must be good, so I’m for it,” then Mike Adams has won, because you’ve bought into the whole Manichean melodrama that fuels his hussle.

Miles Stockdale

” The only argument for NOT labeling is to assume that consumers as a whole are so irrational they’ll do themselves harm by avoiding anything labeled as containing GMOs.”

That is not the only argument for not labeling. There are whole books on this topic, such as “Labeling Genetically Modified Food” by a wide range of experts put out by Oxford University Press where they discuss the negative consequences of a food labeling policy that is not longer based on science or evidence.

willows921

“it is the moral right — and even the obligation — of human beings everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged in heinous crimes against humanity.”
Where is the article that this quote came from?

willows921

It appears this quote is not from Mike Adams mouth…these are words from the German Government.
How to take words out of context!!!

ssadram

Yes, those words are from Adams pen. It’s not a quote. Read the paragraph, starting from the subhead. The current president of Germany took part in a ceremony honoring the German officers who attempted to assassinate Hitler. It is ADAMS assertion that in doing so, “the German Government” has signaled to the world “it is the moral right — and even the obligation — of human beings
everywhere to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged
in heinous crimes against humanity.” That’s HIS interpretation of the meaning of the ceremony. NO ONE in the German Government said that. The words are NOT a “paraphrase” of anything any German official said. Adams is not just a liar, he’s a pathetically BAD liar.

ssadram

IMHO the disturbing thing about Adams and his ilk is the way they’ve succeeded in defining the terms of debate about Monsanto and dominating what should be a wider discussion.”GMOs=poison; Buy Our Organic Supplements, Stay Healthy!” So, we basically have a paranoid Conspiracy Theory being exploited for profit. So the paranoids fire off their moon-loonie salvos, and the rationalists respond with rationality, basically just to bond with other rationalists in a game of point-and-laugh-at-the-wacko because they know the wackos aren’t actually listening.

But something is being hidden in this game. A comment below reads “Arguing with an anti-GMO activist is like playing chess with a pigeon.
Eventually they just knock over all the pieces and poo on the board.” Well, I happen to know a perfectly rational anti-Monsanto activist. With a science degree —exactly in what I can’t remember —some kind of botany/environmental science thing. Been awhile since we’ve talked, but IIRC, his issue isn’t with the effects of GMOs on the health of people who consume them, but the effect the methods used to produce GMOs have on the environment and on the largely poor farmers displaced by Monsanto’s practices. This is hardly paranoia, as there are more instances of corporations polluting the environment and exploiting the poor on the production end than any of us have time to count.

So there should be something for rational people to debate here, except the few voices saying “maybe you should be concerned about what Monsanto is doing to the land and people of Hawaii in order to put cheap food on your table” are drowned out by the chorus of “Monsanto is POISONING YOU!” because, well it is all is about ME, isn’t it, and who gives a flying fig about some islanders with ridiculous redundant multisyllabic names who think a ukelele is a legimate musical instrument? But worse, the paranoia would seem to be leaking into the legitimate issue. Go look at http://monsantocollaborators.org/ The complaint is not about the health effects of GMOs. It’s about Indian farmers who have committed suicide after being ruined financially from crop failures attributed to genetically modified seed pushed by Monsanto.

Now, I have no idea how much truth there is to this. And I have no idea whether monsantocollaborators.org/ is being sincere. The site could have been put up by some shill for Adams, with a different line of attack just as a strategy so Adams could claim distance from it. But I can see that two entirely different issues are being conflated here, and that’s not cool.

So the massive steaming piles of “Monsanto is poisoning you!” stupid seem to be generating an unwarranted pro-Monsanto backlash marred by it’s own smaller dollops of dumb reflecting its antagonist. E.g. stupid pro-Monsanto comment below: “Someone should ask him how Monsanto plans to make money off murdering their entire customer base.” Dude! Ever heard of R. J. Reynolds? I have no doubt that any giant corporation would sell crack-laced anthrax bon-bons if they could turn a big enough gain in the next quarter’s bottom line by doing so. The point is they don’t have to go that far to rake in obscene profits. They do just fine with your standard everyday run-of-the-mill corporate malfeasance, reaming poor folks in the Third World and what have you. Just because Monsanto is not poisoning us does not mean they’re nice people.

Maybe the India thing is overblown, but I’m guessing there’s at least a genetically-unmodified grain of truth there. Still, even if it’s true that “Every 30 minutes, a farmer commits suicide due to GMO crop failures” (and since Huffpo is cited as a source, I have my doubts) the Swastika symbology is more than a little hyperbolic, as is the claim “The responsibility for these deaths falls upon those individuals and organizations
shown on this site.” Some of them may not be totally absent of responsibility in a broad sense — ‘sins’ of omission, maybe. IMHO, John Stossel is a despicable troll (and I refer not to anything he’s said about Monsanto or GMOs, of which I have no knowledge, but just his schtick in general) but labeling him a “collaborator” under a photomontage of Death Camp images is so far beyond the pale it makes my head spin.

Some of the names on the list are what lead me to wonder if monsantocollaborators.org/ is sincere in its concern over Monsanto’s role in problems in India’s agricultural economy, or is just using that as a ruse to villify folks who have only taken issue with Mike Adams for bilking a gullible public with his GMOs-are-poison schtick. E.g. Dave Gorski, who’s exposed Adams as a quack, but AFAIK has never defended Monsanto’s agricultural production practices, nor would I think he’d be likely to if they fell onto his turf, which they don’t, since he’s a surgical oncologist who first and foremost gets upset when the quacks seduce cancer patients into “health alternatives” that hasten their deaths. As Gorski also gets upset when kids die from measles infections they never should have been exposed to, he also takes on the anti-vax nut jobs, who frequently respond by comparing him to Joseph Mengele. I’ve got friends walking the Earth today who would have died long ago if not for the work of gifted surgical oncologists. So the Mengelian accusation is about as crazy as crazy gets, but here it bleeding over into complaints about Monsanto manipulating the Indian seed market? Huh?

Maybe the most telling thing about monsantocollaborators.org is that the little ID tags listing the sins of the ‘collaborators’ don’t match the complaint articulated on the right side of the page. Gorski is the “Key perpetrator of the poisoning of hundreds of millions of children with GMOS
and vaccines.” Don Hazen is guilty of “attacking GMO labeling advocates, bashing nutritional
supplements and promoting the vaccine propaganda of Dr. Paul Offit.” Nothing about the economic ruin of Indian farmers here. Could this be the true colors of monsantocollaborators.org peeping through? Sucker the ‘rubes’ in with a legit social justice issue, and then sneak in the anti-vax propaganda under the radar?

Well, to try to wind up, my intent in this ramble is to frame an appeal to the rationalists to unwind the conflations infecting the public discussion — to separate out questions about the health effects of consuming GMOs from questions about the corporate practices by which food is produced, and to separate out the folks who have legitimate concerns about the later — which they express in perfectly rational ways focused on corporate managers who might actually be responsible — from supplement-pushing scam artists and anti-vax hysterics. There might be a baby in that bathwater…

Miles Stockdale

So your rational scientist friends is opposed to GMOs because of the harm to the environment that the GMO method has, and because of farmer suicides in India. I can see no basis for the first. It only seems rational because 99.99% of the people have no understanding of the other plant propagation methods that are used. The second is simply false, as studies have shown. It was made up and propagated by opponents of biotechnology like Prince Charles and Vandana Shiva.

The last link is to Steven Novella, who along with Gorski founded the Science-Based Medicine website. Novella also has written about Monsanto, and through my own investigations of Monsanto over several years I have basically come to same conclusion as Novella, Monsanto is no worse in terms of their actions than other companies the same size.

Miles:
My acquaintance Paul said nothing about suicide or India, nor did I say he did. He is a for realz scientist, knows more about plant propagation than you do, and confines his discussion to questions he has researched, in person, on the ground in Hawaii, and documented with video footage.

“Monsanto is no worse in terms of their actions than other companies the same size”? Well, that’s damning with faint praise. I wrote “there are more instances of corporations polluting the environment and
exploiting the poor on the production end than any of us have time to
count.” and said Monsanto doesn’t need to poison people as they “do just fine with your standard everyday run-of-the-mill corporate malfeasance.”

You have missed the forest of my post for the trees. The rational science-based skeptic is obligated to unravel the conflated threads of Monsanto critique and evaluate them individually. Adams and Shiva are saying different things. They may both be total BS, but those are separate cases. Shiva and Paul are talking about completely different areas of the globe using completely different data sets. Paul tells no extreme stories of suicide. The economic/cultural harm done to the Hawaiians is not the stuff of Nazi analogies by any means, but you wouldn’t want to have it happen to you, and like I said, he’s got it on video…

Really, for anyone claiming the mantle of reason, that sentence: “Monsanto is no worse in terms of their actions than other companies the same size.” is just such an epic fail I’m SMH. I could be here all day listing analogies demonstrating the absurdity of that non-logic. but actually I Gotta Go…

Miles Stockdale

If your friend “Paul” is a real scientist with real evidence then he should publish it and win the nobel prize. I won’t be holding my breath. You can say all you want, but you friend Paul, is at complete odds with the community of scientific experts.

As for Paul not mentioning Indian scientists there is really no way of telling when you are talking about him, and when you are not. So Paul doesn’t tell extreme stories of suicides in India, but in the next paragraph you make it THE reason for complaint. So extreme stories that completely false is your way. OK.

And yes, there is no real evidence that Monsanto is worse than similar corporations their size. I have spent years looking up the claims about them. Most of them have little basis in reality. I am ethical enough to oppose lies being spread about any group, including a large corporation.

ssadram

“So Paul doesn’t tell extreme stories of suicides in India, but in the next paragraph you make it THE reason for complaint.” No I didn’t. Massive reading comprehension fail. _I_ made no complaint at all. I suggested that some complaints against Monsanto may be legitimate. I specifically expressed strong doubts that the suicide claim among those. Your use of straw man accusations belies your claim to rationalism. Your claim to defend Monsanto on the basis of ethics, yet condemn Paul without any any knowledge of him of his work. I am not impressed by your ‘ethics.’

I don’t know enough about any of this to speak for Paul, nor do I know him well enough to recruit him into the conversation. I apologize for that.

However, I know plenty about corporate malfeasance in general, and by simply re-stating “Monsanto is worse than similar corporations their size” you have essentially forfeited any claim to rationality.

The point of my original post is that YOU are enabling Mike Adams by mirroring his Manichean position. I stand by that.

Loren Eaton

I posted yesterday in response to his response… that it took chutzpah for HIM to attribute a quote by Goebbels to anyone. This morning the post was gone. Oh well.
I don’t know the man, but I think we all know the type. Wanted to hang out with the ‘in’ crowd as a kid. Now he’s going to make sure everyone knows how big his empire is. Is, was, and will always be a wannabe, certainly in science.

First Officer

This comment of mine was removed from the Natural News website under the

True, but it could also be someone who wants to demonise Mike (and others with the same voice) in order to discredit in a dirty move of PR (we already know how dirty Monsanto are), which in this current world of hyper-globalisation and Internet-exploded media saturation, is unfortunately all it takes to win over the masses sheeple who are too busy enjoying their modern bread and circuses to check for themselves what’s really happening with this situation.

So I think it’s good Mike makes it clear, that he has always promoted non-violence which I think is pretty obvious if you’re running a site like this as your main enterprise in life, and especially one of this nature. (yeah, nature.)

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Mike Adams has put the child in the road. Whether the person running it down agrees with Mike Adams that the child should die or he’s running the child down to make Mike Adams look worse than he is, neither exonerates Mike from creating the circumstances whereby that child was put in mortal danger and the subsequent consequences of that action.

While I don’t agree with everything Mike Adams writes (especially when it comes to immigration), he is right on the money when it comes to GMOs.

I have no idea why any informed person with average intelligence would NOT do everything they can to immediately stop ALL GMO planting worldwide. But then again, most people believed the tobacco companies when they claimed that their scientists proved that smoking was harmless. I suppose a lot of people just are not very smart.

Unfortunately, that millions got sick and or died from smoking cigarettes is rather insignificant compared to the IRREVERSIBLE damage done by GMOs.

Clifford Ageloff

I suppose you are not very informed or even just average smart believing that GMOs are causing irreversible damage without ever seeing any peer-reviewed proof of it whatsoever. How do I know you haven’t seen any studies that prove GMOs are dangerous? Because there are none! You are free to choose organic and Non-GMOs if you prefer the poisons that come with it. Just don’t think the rest of us are a gullible as you are in mistaking scare-mongering for science. Please, what just are the damages caused by GMO’s?

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

Let’s start with 300,000 dead Indian farmers, millions of people with chronic diseases and pain and farm animals dying after they eat GMO leftover cotton, etc.

Monsato et al already caused far more damage than Hitler and killing the SOBs in charge of today’s holocaust is unlikely to end this disaster. Nobody knows what would happen if all GMO crops and seeds were immediately destroyed.

Grandpa Prescott Bush and Union Bank financed Hitler and now we see the world’s most powerful corporations finance the destruction of the planet — with YOUR support. Because you’re as ignorant as any German in 1936 and you believe just about anything the corporate owned media tells you.

Clifford Ageloff

You’re misinformed at best. You have not posited one fact but sources with obvious confirmation bias. They don’t explain anything other than you have no sources of fact but you somehow crafted an opinion based on their propaganda. There is no holocaust today, you are just delusional as Shiva is about GMOs causing suicides in India. I don’t believe the corporate media but I’m certain not to take my lessons from your disreputable sources. Farm animals being fed cotton is quite a stretch since it is not feedstock its for clothing. Atrazine has nothing to do with GMOs and neither does Hitler or Bush. There are plenty of studies using seeds from all sources, including Monsanto. You believe every BS myth that suits your politics now why is that?

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

How is the FACTUAL report about scientist Haynes based on bias? How is the lawsuit against the German farmer based of bias? Those are FACTS.

It is a FACT that GMO seeds come with a contract that PROHIBITS scientific studies!

It is YOU who failed to post a single link. Wonder why. Monsanto’s OWN studies are for 90 days. Humans have been eating their poisons for over 15 years now.

I cannot understand why ANYONE with half a brain would want to jeopardize our food supply so that some ruthless corporations can make a buck. Especially since we all know what happened with Agent Orange and DDT. Well, I suppose you have a motive.

I highly recommend watching Genetic Roulette. While we’re lacking many SCIENTIFIC studies, it sure is interesting to see how so many sick people get well once they stop eating GMOs.

Clifford, you just keep eating lots of corn and soy and eventually you’ll get it.

Clifford Ageloff

Oh, I got it. Genetic Roulette is yet more garbage by the very same people who stand to benefit from it’s dissemination. Jeffrey Smith is a complete scam artist, has no scientific training and he himself has huge issues with the truth. The very fact you point me to Genetic Roulette only proves you readily believe extreme bullshit. Cows have NO idea that GMOs are in grains and readily eat BOTH. Responsible Technology is also more biased unscientific crapola but you just suck it up. My only motive is to out low-information people like yourself who are willing to believe shamsters like Jeffrey Smith. And that German farmer? His cows died from disease that had nothing to do with GMOs.

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

Your “complete take-down” fails to link to the studies in favor of GMO. I am aware that Monsanto’s studies claim that there was no difference, but to my knowledge those studies lasted only 90 days.

Real life: My neighbor fed his chickens regular chicken feed, of course with the GM crap. They started making their own chicken feed without an GM food and they laid way more eggs.

My mother’s cousin had cancer and tumors the size of golf balls on her neck. She quit her job and changed her diet to vegetarian and mostly organic. Her doctor couldn’t believe it when the tumors were GONE a few months later.

Just the facts …

Clifford Ageloff

Cute little stories are not facts. You are just confused.

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

I get it. To you a human life has no value — it makes no difference whether someone lives or dies.

Just like Monsanto.

Clifford Ageloff

Don’t put words in my mouth, but your friends chickens and your surviving fat-necked tumoriffic kin have nothing to do with GMOs. ZERO. They are just STORIES. But it’s no story that MIke Adams raised the rhetoric beyond argumentum ad monsantum when he started using language that could incite violence against those with another viewpoint. SO don’t you be accusing anyone of being ‘just like Monsanto’ simply because of some goofy chicken story and tumor tale that had nothing to do with GMOs – you should be more worried about narcissistic and dangerous jerks like Mike Adams putting peoples lives at risk through violence. You are a PARODY of the anti-GMO low-information crowd that simply parrots what they hear and have really no idea what they are talking about.

Clifford Ageloff

BUT MONSANTO! OY!

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

Adams didn’t put anyone’s life at risk and he did not incite violate.

So, who exactly are YOU? What’s your interest in GMOs?

Mariel Thomson

Money, obviously. Don’t bother trying.He just wants to wear you out.

Rietha Crafford

Christine, you can only take a horse to water, you can’t make it drink….let Clifford grandkids be born cripple and have their brains on the outside of the scalp…..then he might “think they are mutations” from another planet

Clifford Ageloff

I have no children so no grandkids, so better luck next time wishing harm to me and my family. Nice.

Rietha Crafford

I have not wished any harm to either you or your family. I am not that kind of a person…………if you have that kind of a mind, the onus is on you, don’t make your weaknesses mine please…… but this is normally when the problem hid home that people start opening their eyes only and normally it is to late

http://www.highdesertpermaculture.org Christine Baker

Rietha, you are so right! I live in a retirement community, so I mostly see older people suffering. But Genetic Roulette really hits home with the many interviews of parents whose kids’ health dramatically improved after they went off GMOs. Sadly, while there is often improvement, many of these kids will have food allergies and all sorts of ailments for life.

I always wonder about people like Clifford, what makes them be the way they are? I also don’t have any kids, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t care. I don’t understand why so many people lack compassion entirely.

After all, the kids are our future.

Rietha Crafford

Christine, Clifford is just a dumb-ass idiot…..I don’t even bother with a fool like him……he will one learn or die with ailments he does not know why he has them

Rietha Crafford

You have no clue what you are talking about the damages done by GMO……just look at Argentina as a starter with the kids born with brains outside their heads….I have seen firsthand pig being fed GMO feed what they look like, all crippled and early abortions etc. You should sleep with your eye WIDE OPEN or your grand kids will look the same

Clifford Ageloff

Any scientific studies you care to reference to the hogwash you posit above? I guess not. Your ‘firsthand’ experiences are not scientific proof or proof of any kind. GMOs did not cause any of the things you claim but if so, let’s see it.

nik

Any company that engineers plants to need chemicals to grow,chemicals to produce fruit or seed, and are nevertheless sterile, so new plants cannot be grown from them, and then sues others when their crappy plants contaminate other crops deserves all it gets, as do those who support it.

Nyrala Sirom

Nothing can get the hysterical masses stirred up more quickly than the use of the word, “Nazi.” Nice to see nothing has changed on either side. Deep breaths, people, deep breaths. Take a break, relax, and look at all of this calmly and rationally. Please don’t get sucked into the manipulative tactics of journalistic drama-queens. The moment I see shock tactics of this sort, I consider the source to have discredited itself, and that piece of “journalism” is not worth the read, let alone the reply. Maybe if more of us did that and fewer jumped on the bandwagon, there would be less of such trash journalism and more factual writing.

Brian Allan

“…agricultural holocaust that has already killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.” What a totally line of B.S.! GMO’s will feed a starving world… Adams just likes to hear himself talk; just don’t listen to the idiot!

Rietha Crafford

We don’t need GMO or Chemicals to feed the world…………..plenty alternatives to plant as well as use to prevent insects. I don’t agree with this Adams “creature” but the fact of the matter is there are many old day food that can be utilized to feed the world and natural oils to prevent insects from eating your produce as well as protecting against blights/fungus/bad pathogens

Loren Eaton

That is totally naïve…but really groovy!!

Michael Polidori

Your comment is totally self-serving… and irrelevant to the real issues.

Michael Polidori

GMO’s are not being designed to increase our food supply any longer with any success.
All attempts so far have ultimately failed.
The only proved yield increase was through herbicide resistance, which allowed herbicides from a variety of corporations to be sprayed on those respective corporations’ genetically altered crop, resistant to that corporation’s herbicide. Monsanto’s Round-Up -Ready corn or soybean, for example.

Spraying herbicide on the crop, and the soil the crops grow in, allowed for weed control during the crops’ growth.
This resulted in higher yields, encouraging farmers to plant more.
It also resulted in massive contamination of crops and farmland and run-off with herbicides or the metabolites of the herbicides.
No one on the planet has ever intentionally eaten crops contaminated with herbicide. This has never been tested and proved safe for short or long-term eating for animals or people.

MULTIPLE herbicide resistances have developed not only in weeds, but some food crops have become weed-like pests, growing in fields intended for other crops.
These unforeseen (or ignored) problems.have led to collaborations between corporations, creating gene altered crops resistant to two and three different herbicides.
To take advantage of these multi-resistance traits multiple herbicide preparations are now sprayed on crops and farmland, making a much more contaminated crop and much more polluted farmland.

Additionally, GMOs are not needed to feed the world population.
Most of the planet’s farmland is tended by subsistence or small farmers without the modern farm equipment needed for maximizing yield and or the modern agricultural knowledge-base to properly care for the land.
even with these limiting factors, the planet of 7 billion grows enough food to feed 10 billion.
Yet 22,000 people die EVERY DAY, their deaths caused by or related to starvation… because (for whatever reasons) they cannot afford food.

In a world of GMOs, food will become more expensive, not less, and as a result MORE people will die of starvation or nutritionally related diseases and hardship.
GMOs are grown with one thought in mind – Owning a piece of the world’s crops and seeds, and generating profit through that ownership.
Profits are made directly from farmers by selling them VERY expensive seed (or getting their governments to buy seed), selling chemical inputs necessary to take advantage of the new traits inserted into the crops DNA and farmers paying a technology fee for every acre of land planted BEFORE harvest, before any yield increase and even before the success of the novel plant is shown.

Al of this makes GMO too expensive to grow in third world or developing nations where the starving people are.
The claim that GMOs are needed to feed a starving population is a heinous lie and manipulation of dead and dying children to make money… a sociopathic pursuit.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

LunarTick

He identifies himself as one of “the GMO skeptics community.” But skeptical hardly seems adequate to describe someone who
• embraces “the obligation . . . to actively plan and carry out the killing of those engaged in heinous crimes against humanity,” and
• identifies these as essentially anyone who sees any value in GMOs.

Michael Polidori

Mike Adams has never advocated killing anyone. but a person blogging on his website did, and Mike Adams corrected that.

As far as Lunar Tick’s idea that there is “any value in GMOs”, that is total nonsense. The only value in GMOs is for the patent-holders. For everyone else it is a lose lose lose situation. More environmental pollution, more contamination (as well a NOVEL contamination) of our food, higher prices for seed, chemical inputs and crops (squeezing more money from both farmers and poor/middle classes who can ill afford food with increased-cost/lower-nutrition/more-contaminants.

People at biotech companies use some tools created by science to alter our food crops.

Just because technological tools are used to create these food crops doesn’t mean the resulting product is safe. NONE of these foods produced through genetic engineering have ever been proved safe to eat for humans or animals.
Short 28 day feeding trials are done adding GMO crops to the diet of animals. It is rarely an exclusive diet of GMO and no long term or from-birth feeding trials have ever been done by any biotech company who has fully released studies for peer-review.
This is inherently UNSAFE for approval of a food product, especially one that has had the DNA altered in ways that CANNOT happen in nature, crossing species barriers, adding to food crop genome, DNA from bacteria, virus, animals and humans.

The FDA states GMO are “substantially equivalent” to conventional plants and therefore safe and don’t need testing or regulation or labeling.

Appointed FDA bureaucrats ignored FDA scientific advisers’ warnings that substantial testing was needed to ensure safety of these NOVEL foods.

Changing a food plant so that it kills insects that normally feed on it is certainly NOT substantially equivalent. This is a demonstrably UNSAFE product for lifeforms that ordinarily survived on it.

It is NEVER one gene that is added, but a package of genes from a variety of non-plant organisms whose gene sequences CANNOT be in plants naturally.
Current GMO crops in commercial production don’t use ANY plant genes in the modification. Genes from viruses, bacteria, insects, animals and even human genes are used to to drastically alter a plant’s function.
Most plants altered like this do not survive the changes random gene package insertion causes, and thousands of failures are suffered before viable transformed plants are created.
ALL surviving plants are changed in undetected and undetectable ways, These are more reasons to never consume or even openly grow these genetically modified crops, before extensive long-term intense study (animal, human, environmental, nutritional, compositional) occurs PROVING they are safe to eat and grow.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Abolish Holders OftheLight

One day the criminals like Monsanto will be violently stopped.

Michael Polidori

Of course “Abolish” is just another person who supports Monsanto, because people who can reason through the lying hype behind GMO crops also know not to threaten life or limb or property of others on the internet or in real life.

“Abolish” makes this inflammatory statement to PRETEND that anyone that is anti-GMO is a nutcase.
The folks working at biotech companies know this isn’t true and there are valid science-based reasons for the FDA to regulate these “foods”.

There is also the science that hasn’t been done (to prove safety and nutrition aren’t affected).

FDA, USDA and EPA all refuse to do, or to require to be done, the science that would prove GMO are safe/beneficial or polluting/less-nutritious/contaminated/UNSAFE.

The only real solution is for the American electorate to get smart enough about this issue (and many others) and find a way to elect honest people who will work in the public interest.
The “public interest” is the interests of the country as a whole, rather than politicians and regulators being the puppet of corporations.From banking, to oil, to automotive safety, to minimum wage, to child labor, to food safety, to safe affordable housing, to pollution, to white/blue collar crimes, to workplace safety and many other issues we need laws to govern the behavior of people and regulations to govern the behavior of LARGE businesses.

Right now we govern the 99% while the 1% get away with over half of the wealth and property in our country.

The change must come peacefully, through knowledge and action and laws and regulations that govern all of us equitably.

If people can get active about these issues, learn to find competent people to explain these issues at the community level and elect competent and honest individuals to office we can change everything that has been done wrong to our great country.

For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Abolish Holders OftheLight

Wow I didnt know you knew everything about everyone, you are a nutjob bud. I just have a feeling that Governments might bomb them if the USA doesnt get them under control soon. Places like Russia feel GMOs are threatening the entire world not just Americans. lol you are funny though

Michael Polidori

Abolish is a different type of biotech company supporter – he takes a ridiculous and violent stand that no reasoning person would.
Taking this stand he implies anyone who is against GMO are nut-jobs. Then, after pretending he is violently anti-GMO, advocating a violent attack against Monsanto, he attacks me.

Brehow

I guess the author of this article loves manipulating people with
disinformation, with quotes falsely attributed to Mike: – “that it is
the moral right — and even the obligation —

whatever the.case, THE CRAP ISNT GOOD FOR YOU and its banned in 30 countries for a reason.

http://www.abicana.com/shop2.htm Knut Holt

The man has certain valid points to tell, but makes exaggereated conclusions to the extent that one should ask if his campains are a sort of sting operation engineered to attract alternatively thinking people and getting an overview about whoom they are and their stance on different subjects.

Thanks for bringing up Dr Eric Seralini – You can visit his work, the defense of his work by international scientists, his winning the German whistleblower award, Dr Seralini’s responses to critics of his work and much more – ALL HERE –http://www.gmoseralini.org/en/

Now for the second part of adam’s personal attack against me and what I have posted –
What are the safest of all foods to eat?
If grown to national organic standards, organic foods of course.

What are safer to eat –
1. Organic foods grown in live soils, meeting national organic standards for being chemical free and nutrient rich.
2. Conventional food crops, grown in depleted soils, soils that have been repeatedly treated with herbicides, soils that do not meet national organic standards, crops that have been sprayed with chemical insecticides (proven to cause cancer and other adverse health effects, substances that can kill).
3. GMOs. GMOs are conventional crops with added problems.
a. DIRECT herbicide contamination on and in the crops/food (currently at least TWO herbicides have to be used on GMO crops because of increasing multiple-herbicide resistances in pests like weeds and some crops that have become weed-like pests)
b. At least two poisonous proteins growing inside gene-altered-crops that kill some insects (not all)
c. Chemical insecticides for the insects that the crop-produced toxins don’t kill
d. Known and unknown nutrient/toxin changes due to the forced RANDOM insertion of a package of genes from virus, bacteria and/or animals.

Out of those three food growing methods, which is safer?

Which would you want to eat, exclusively, for every meal for the rest of your life?

Which food would you want to feed your children?

Adam is clearly not interested in discussion. He claims I am “making things up”, though he never produces any evidence showing anything I have posted is wrong OR made-up.

As Always,
For the protection of children,
In the interests of truth and science,
Michael Polidori

Kevin

Sorry Mike Adams. You fail to convince me. Say no to GMO. Save the bees and other pollinators

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About Keith Kloor

Keith Kloor is a NYC-based journalist, and an adjunct professor of journalism at New York University. His work has appeared in Slate, Science, Discover, and the Washington Post magazine, among other outlets.
From 2000 to 2008, he was a senior editor at Audubon Magazine.
In 2008-2009, he was a Fellow at the University of Colorado’s Center for Environmental Journalism, in Boulder, where he studied how a changing environment (including climate change) influenced prehistoric societies in the U.S. Southwest.
He covers a wide range of topics, from conservation biology and biotechnology to urban planning and archaeology.