It seems the sore losers, TImbo Williams (aka Timothy Williams) and Kayla Williams (aka “Proud Pagan”) have managed to talk FaceBook in to throwing me back in jail, starting today!

The controversy with Timbo and Kayla arose in conjunction with my work with the Understanding The Baby Holm FaceBook group:

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The Understanding The Baby Holm Case is the group I started in order to provide a venue to openly and honestly cover the developing story; after I was made aware by Ernie Land of Brady Byrum’s secret involvement in the case on behalf of the parents of Baby Holm who have their own group and personal pages at:

Related story on this website:

For clearer images of the following, see:

(It is false that I accused Kayla of posting my address, and she knows or should know that by now. It was someone else. However, Kayla did advertise that she would share my address with people who wanted to contact her about it. – RLBaty)

Related website:

I don’t know if the following has to anything to do with me!

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UPDATE: May 10, 2017

It appears Kayla Williams has signed on so as to be able to follow this website and this article in particular. She posted the following a couple of hours ago. “Shared” with FaceBook and Williams permission.

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UPDATE May 12, 2017 – It appears Kayla and Timbo continue to tamper with the evidence and so I thought I would post here Kayla’s last effort to intimidate, bully, threaten and otherwise challenge me (her post, currently, is included in the comments below).

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From: Kayla WIlliams

Date: May 12, 2017

Time: 1:11 PM

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Baty, It is May 12th, so you still have time to remedy and remove your threats against my family.

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But seeing as of right now it appears my suspicions are correct of you and Mary working together, maybe since you are a guy who enjoys following people around on facebook you will enjoy following this scammer and fraud around and checking her out and her alleged “credentials”.

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Everything she ever said about my husband and I is incorrect.

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We cannot be held libelous when all the information we found on the woman can be found within the following links. It’s simple really, she was looking for attorneys and paralegals to help with her “coalition” and my husband being a paralegal himself wanted to know more about it. She was unable to answer even the most basic questions leading him to believe she was running a scam. She told us to google her as her resume can be found online. Well we accepted her invitation and reported our findings.

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Now I am inviting you to do the same. Have fun. I’ll be back tomorrow to check on your progress and see if these threats against my family and business are still here.

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Kayla Williams B.S.

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My response to Kayla:

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As far as I am concerned, Kayla, you need to “just walk away”!

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I have made no threats against you, Kayla, or your family!

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Get over yourself, and move along; “just walk away”!

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Robert Baty B.B.A.

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Proposition for Discussion

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Robert Baty has posted threats against
the family of Timbo/Timothy and Kayla
Williams.
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Kayla Williams: Affirm
Robert Baty: Deny
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Timbo / Timothy Williams & Kayla Williams Score One! — 19 Comments

https://cerridwenswisdom.com/
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Cerridwen’s Wisdom
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Why I’ve been absent
By Kayla Williams
April 26, 2017
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Hello everyone,
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I wanted to let everyone know why I’ve been absent.
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I’ve been in some deep, dark places and doing my own
healing work in order to find my balance again.
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I have been set on a slightly new path and been working
on some new goals.
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Since today is new moon I’ve set my new intentions and
it’s all about focusing on me and what I want, and I’m
going to go out there and get everything that I deserve!
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This is just a short note to let everyone know that I
am setting my intentions and I am back! I have so much
that I want to share with the world, that I need to start
getting things organized and put together.
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I’m excited about what has been opening up to me and I
cannot wait to share it with everyone!
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Stay tuned this is going to be an exciting and fantastic
adventure!
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Kayla seems to have more than me to worry about,
or maybe she has a problem with paranoia.
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She posted this early this morning, and it is shared
with her and FaceBook permission.
.https://www.facebook.com/kmwilliams0411/posts/10155285887979513
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From: Kayla Williams
Date: May 8, 2017
Time: 1:00 AM MT
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The more I do to follow my passion in the world, the more obstacles try to get in my way. This time it is in the form of someone trying to start a “virtual witch hunt” against me. I have always been very open about my spirituality, but before this person out there damages my reputation I think it is important to understand more of who I am. This blog does a pretty good job of explaining the different terms, but still does not cover my spirituality in full.
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I am an eclectic Celtic Pagan. Eclectic means I do not follow one set of beliefs, I pull from many traditions. Celtic is the pantheon my husband and I follow. My ancestry is actually Finnish, but I never identified with Norse traditions. Instead everything fell into place for me when I met my husband who is Welsh-Irish and I adopted his Celtic family traditions as my own. Finally Pagan simply means nature based. I do not believe in any organized religion or religious dogma. I am spiritual, but not religious. For us this is a way of life.
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I use the word magick a lot in my descriptions. This is the clearest definition I can find for those who are curious:
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Magick: According to the famous occultist Aleister Crowley, magick is “the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.” … In fact, Crowley… says that “every intentional act is a Magickal Act.” If you follow his line of reasoning, there is a great deal of validity in what he says, although it is not what we are seeking at this time. We need to make the definition of magick a bit longer: Magick is the science and art of causing change (in consciousness) to occur in conformity with will, using means not currently understood by traditional Western science. It is also spelled this way to differentiate the occult from stage/show magic (illusionists).
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source: Modern Magick, by Donald Michael Kraig
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The way my husband and I explain it is that magick is energy. You can change your life with your intentions; this is magick. This is why my practice involves being positive because your thoughts can and do have an effect on the world.
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Now for witchcraft. Witchcraft is simply the practice of magick. By this definition that can be anything from making candles, soap, and herbal salves (which I do), to speaking a spell or calling on guides, gods and goddesses (the equivalent of prayer). Practicing witchcraft in this way does not mean someone is a witch because technically anyone who makes a wish and blows out a candle on a birthday cake is practicing witchcraft! Some definitions out there claim witchcraft is the practice of black or dark magick. This is not true! There is no white or black magick, there is just magick and the intentions of the practitioner using it.
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Unfortunately there are those out there who do use their gifts in negative ways, I do not. We all have a shadow side that we must learn from and listen to in order to remain in balance. Just like we must learn from our light side. But if we want to attract positive, we must in turn be positive!
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I hope this makes sense to those reading this. Feel free to ask me any questions. Many who follow mainstream religions have never learned about our ways and so they use the term “witch” as a derogatory insult. Those who use the term in this way are also ones who believe Pagans worship Satan when in reality most Pagans do not believe in Satan or any other embodiment of evil!
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I believe in practicing tolerance in all forms. I have studied several different religions and even got my degree at a Christian school in order to study and understand Christianity! I am a humanist who believes all people are good and have the ability to live the exact life they want. I am well versed in Psychology and metaphysical practices including aromatherapy, herbs, stones/crystals, energy healing, shamanism, witchcraft, and other indigenous wisdom. I use all of my knowledge to find the way to best help people overcome their obstacles and live a happy, positive lifestyle. The best thing about being a coach and not a therapist is that I follow the lead of my clients, not the other way around.
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I help people heal themselves using whatever tools they want to try.
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I can even help people find the right encouragement they need from the bible if they prefer, and I use the KJV bible.
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My practice and business is not about me, it is about the people I help.
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Mr Baty I have no idea why you have started the attack on me again after nearly a month but thank you for the free advertisement of my business. However you DO NOT have permission to copy, share, and paste my intellectual property, which you falsely stated having mine and facebook permission to share! If you and or your followers start attacking my personal business pages, you will be prosecuted for libel and damages! Now you are truly messing with mine and my family’s lively hood, and this will not be tolerated! I do not have the luxury of being retired like you. This is my life that you are trying to damage!

Kayla,
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While the post is timed at 4:51, I just noticed it and approved it.
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You and I, and I suspect your husband, seem to have a different
view of our history.
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If there is an attack going on here, it is all coming from your
side.
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As I recall, you are the one who thought to come out and come
after me in an effort to try and cover for your misguided husband
regarding issues involving Baby Holm.
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I would still like to advance that discussion with your or your
husband, and have that proposition outstanding for our
consideration, but such things are negotiable.
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I also don’t think you ever provided any documentation where I
accused you of publicly disclosing my personal, residential address,
though you seem to have enjoyed repeating that charge.
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PROPOSITION FOR DISCUSSION – BABY HOLM DEBATE
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The State of Alabama was bound constitutionally
to issue a warrant before taking custody of
Baby Holm.
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– Timbo/Kayla Williams: (To Affirm or Deny)
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– Robert Baty: Deny
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If you have earlier indicated your agreement with me, I apologize
for not remembering.
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Repetition regarding such things is fine with me; just indicate
whether you affirm or deny and we can go from there, if there is
anywhere to go.
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By the way Kayla,
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I did not notice.
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Can you at least be explicit in admitting or denying that you
and/or your husband and/or someone operating with your support,
was responsible for FaceBook blocking me for 30 days?
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.https://www.facebook.com/kmwilliams0411/posts/10155294121494513
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“Shared” with FaceBook & Williams permission!
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From: Kayla Williams
Date: May 10, 2017
Time: 5:30 PM MT
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Now I have at lease two people attacking me and
trying to take down my brand new business!
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I have no idea who these people are outside of
FB or why they have decided to try and stop my
mission.
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I know that one has made me a target because of
my spiritual beliefs.
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The other, I’m not sure… because I stand up for
and defend the innocent?
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This man just started a special blog post about me
and attacking my business 2 days ago!
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A man who I blocked over a month ago because of the
type of person he is.
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Now he has personally come after my business just
out of the blue?
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Has anyone else ever met this kind of resistance when
you started following your true purpose?
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Is this how I know 100% for sure that I am finally on
the right path, because people are trying to stop me?
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I assure you they will not succeed.
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I am stronger than they are, but I am starting to see
more and more people try to stop me!
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People really are afraid of empowered women wanting to
change the world aren’t they?
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You are mistaken.
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I have never attacked you, I have only ever defended my husband and my family! I defended my husband because that is what I do as his wife!
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I have no idea who the Holms are or anything about their case other than a couple news articles I have seen.
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I blocked you every way I could, but it is clear you either have a second facebook account or someone else watching my page seeing as you are still copying things from my page WITHOUT my permission! I have never given you permission to share things from my facebook page as I have you blocked on that platform!
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I have not posted anything or said anything about you for almost a month (until today)when we were tipped off that you were attacking not only me personally but now my brand new business! So no, the first posts you copied and posted here had absolutely nothing to do with you until you tried to make it about you! I have my family and my business to focus on, not this repeated attacking that you seem hell bent on. Why are you insisting on trying to destroy my business?
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I have no idea why facebook banned you, I don’t have their community standards memorized. According to the image you shared, “you’ve repeatedly posted things that arn’t allowed on facebook”.
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My husband and I do not “operate” with anyone!
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I reported your posts to facebook back in April as they happened and facebook denied me since they are still there!
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If I had any control over facebook I would have had every single post mentioning my husband and I deleted!
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Instead I had decided to be the bigger person and just walk away because I have a child and other more important things to focus on than waste time being angry with you!
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I thought by doing this you would leave my family alone, but then you chose to attack my business!
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So in answer to your question,
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“Can you at least be explicit in admitting or denying that you
and/or your husband and/or someone operating with your support,
was responsible for FaceBook blocking me for 30 days?”
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I would say that only you are responsible for why facebook has blocked you, because it was not me, (my attempts were denied back in April), it was not my husband (his attempts were also denied) and no one else was “operating with our support” so that just leaves you and however many other people come in contact with you on facebook.
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But again according to the image you posted, it was due to something you posted….
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This kind of thing may be entertaining to you and your followers, but my business is the only way I have to provide for my family. I have a child. Don’t you have any compassion in you at all? You are messing with the very thing we depend on to survive. My child is not even 3 years old and you are attacking the very thing I need in order to provide for her!
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For the sake of my daughter please remove this blog post attacking my business!
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As for the other information you want:
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An attorney contacted me through PM on April 17 with a partial retraction and screen shots. We exchanged a couple messages eventually ending with an understanding that no further comments would be made. For this reason I will not be posting any screen shots or any part of that conversation. The post you copied with the date and time of 12:01 Am on the 18th of April was the last “public” post I made, again that is until I found out about this blog today.
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While it is true I admitted to having your address, I never shared it with anyone.
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My reason for looking up your address through public records was because facebook would not remove your posts mentioning my husband and I and I felt threatened, but not as much as I do now with you attacking my personal business and my only means to support my child.
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That being said; the proper procedure for reporting this threat to my family is contacting the local authorities in your area, and filling out a report online. However you have the option to remedy before I do that.
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I will give you through the weekend to think about it which should be more than enough time. If these personal attacks against my business and family are still here on Monday morning of the 15th of May, I will be contacting the proper authorities to take further action to protect my family. If you are a parent yourself I am sure you understand. It is my hope though that you will just let this go, remove the posts, and leave my family and business alone like I had done with you.
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Kayla Williams B.S.
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Kayla, in part, wrote in her recent post here:
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– “I (Kayla Williams) had decided
– to be the bigger person and
– just walk away because…”
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How that tactic might be characterized and why she might have done it
is open to differences of opinion and the public record is now quite
limited as to the record.
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However, the technique is one that I think Kayla should again execute;
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“just walk away”!
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That’s what I recommend that Kayla do.
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It appears clear that, after Kayla and her husband Timbo/Timothy,
quite publicly, dared to challenge me and then, instead of openly and
honestly engaging in a public discussion of substantive issues, began
their bullying and intimidation tactics along with repeated threats to
sue me and their tampering with the evidence in the public archives,
their most productive and effective technique would be to…
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“just walk away”.
.Kayla, Timbo/Timothy, just walk away!
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Here’s another public comment in a public group reflecting on
Kayla’s continuing personal problems, not with me, but with others.
.https://www.facebook.com/groups/232507977084901/
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From: Kayla Williams
Date: May 11, 2017
Time: 12:20 PM MT
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I am going to be leaving this group, because I will not
be a part of a group that protects people who scam families
and victims of CPS who in turn accuses my husband and I of
being paid for character assassination and puts money on
our heads for people to find us and harm us.
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I posted some of the proof we had, and our posts get deleted
while she remains!
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I will no longer try to help anyone beat CPS like my family
did, because every time we post something to try and help
innocent families, we get attacked and our family gets put
in danger!
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This scammer is even being protected by attorneys!
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If people would just take 15 minutes to verify her credentials
and background you will see exactly what we did; she is a fraud!
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(“Shared” with FaceBook & Williams permission!)
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Go to link to review extensive comments following Kayla’s
opening post.
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And here’s how Kayla’s husband reported things on May 3, 2017:
.https://www.facebook.com/groups/232507977084901/permalink/457326607936369/
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From: Timbo Williams
Date: May 3, 2017
Time: 8:50 PM
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Please block Mary Bower….She is a fraud.
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She claims a class action law suit but she is claiming a
theory beyond nuts.
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She tagged a texas attorney and this is what I wrote to him.
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Bottom Line, the CPS Coalition to file a class action is a fraud!
Period!
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This is what I wrote to the attorney she tagged in Texas:
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Kory, this women out of Missouri is NUTS. Mary Carroll Bower.
She claims to be an EMT, Nurse, 30 Year paralegal, hurricane
Katrina activist, Private investigator, Criminal fraud investigator,
retired working for teaching paralegal studies, Court appointed
criminal investigator that never lost a case, said she was Denied
access to challenge the bar and Used to License all PIs in her
home state. SHE is from an long line of police, lawyers, judges
and Intel working for 3 police departments. Founder of many things
and inventor and wait for it councilor……A princess…yes a
bonifide Princess?
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I called her out for her CPS class action fraud with all her claims.
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She threatened me with libel…from a Face book comment.
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Also threatened me with FBI action from her agent cousin.
The problem is she refers to you as her “Legal Team”.
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If you are in fact the attorney on her legal team searching for
clients ( she keeps tagging you) for a class action….
I have an issue.
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She claims her legal team has a Secret squirrel plan to claim fraud.
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I ask her out of 22 frauds what theory and doctrine she was using.
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I checked her comments and she says she is the decedent of a king
in Ireland who ruled over a case. In 550 friggen AD, a women named
St Columba borrowed a Bible.
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She did not return it.
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This princess claims her King grandfather stated “to every cow its
calf, and every author their book”, Her CPS class action is based
on the theory a Childs DNA belongs to the parent and for the state
to take a child is copy right fraud, She also claims to be a former
professional ice skater, a kindergarten teacher on and on… you
need to respond please, She is writing a book and movie using you
for credibility and wants to make a movie based on CPS info she is
fraudulently gleaning from parents in a Class action suit.
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(“Shared” with FaceBook & Williams permission.)
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Here are a couple of more posts from Mary via another group.
.https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=811489385684489&id=391386644361434
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From: FIGHT CPS FRAUD Coalition-National (aka Mary Carroll Bower)
Date: May 10, 2017
Time: 9:44 AM
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Via: Mary Carroll Bower,
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Who’d of thunk it !
Hired character assassination the new technique to ruin you.
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I will defend my good name, my work history, my education,
my kids, and people who have their children stolen by fraud.
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Since the set out to libel and harass me, they helped the cause.
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Many have responded to join the Coalition after their orchestrated
attack on me.
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Heads up they accused me of putting a bounty on them clarification:
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reward for information for Process service is not a bounty for arrest.
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Investigation shows this character attacking is the mode of operendi
that they use on others who fight the corrupt system.
.https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=808987929267968&id=391386644361434
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From: FIGHT CPS FRAUD Coalition-National (aka Mary Carroll Bower)
Date: May 6, 2017
Time: 6:41 AM
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Notice: In recent posts there have been two Pagan Witches
libeling and personally slandering me regarding the National
CpS fraud Class Action.
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There are many people benefiting through federal money under
the non profit status that are in fact profiting. Many of
those people are concerned if the federal funding stops they
will be off the gravy train.
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Many are on these facebook pages.
I did not have to care about you or your children.
I do not know you personally or your lifestyle good or bad.
I have been sticking my neck out for you over your broken hearts.
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However we currently have enough litigants and tangible evidence
for systemic cps fraud to file the Class Action as planned. If
you choose to believe lies from pagan witches or people benefiting
from this outrageous corrupted system then I certainly will stop
caring about you and yours.
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This is either your with us or against us.
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While people idle away not knowing what to do the otherside is
building their systemic corruption stronger. I come from a long
line of military, Judges, lawyers and am well aware of how it
all goes down.
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Of course the option to for me to sue for libel those spreading lies
about me.
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To clarify libel is written Slander that is untrue. I am working on
a book about my Grandchilds Cps Kidnapping which has nothing to do
with your personal cases.
.The Pagans who have comitted this libel are Timbo and Kayla Williams
whom I have blocked.
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Rest assured they are watching your posts and that is why I asked
you not to comment under the class action posts but to pm me privately.
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The corruption of childrens innocence is as old as the Garden of Eden,
Adam and Eve, the first Human Children of God.
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Another recent post from Mary regarding Mr. & Mrs. Williams!
.https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=810636062436488&id=391386644361434
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From: FIGHT CPS FRAUD Coalition-National (aka Mary Carroll Bower)
Date: May 9, 2017
Time: 12:07 AM
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Via Mary Carroll Bower, Reward offered:
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I have been advised that I am being libeled and slandered all
over facebook by Timbo Williams and Kayla Williams.
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I am offering a reward to the person who can produce an address
for the Stalker or stalkers doing this personally against me.
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I need the address to file Criminal charges.
Stalking is a Federal offense.
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Baty, It is May 12th, so you still have time to remedy and remove your threats against my family. But seeing as of right now it appears my suspicions are correct of you and Mary working together, maybe since you are a guy who enjoys following people around on facebook you will enjoy following this scammer and fraud around and checking her out and her alleged “credentials”. Everything she ever said about my husband and I is incorrect. We cannot be held libelous when all the information we found on the woman can be found within the following links. It’s simple really, she was looking for attorneys and paralegals to help with her “coalition” and my husband being a paralegal himself wanted to know more about it. She was unable to answer even the most basic questions leading him to believe she was running a scam. She told us to google her as her resume can be found online. Well we accepted her invitation and reported our findings. Now I am inviting you to do the same. Have fun. I’ll be back tomorrow to check on your progress and see if these threats against my family and business are still here.
Kayla Williams B.S.

Maybe if Kayla would take the time to actually document, quote
whatever it is she is labeling “threats against her family” we
could discuss the merits, if any, to her whining about them.
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Proposition for Discussion
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Robert Baty has posted threats against
the family of Timbo/Timothy and Kayla
Williams.
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Kayla Williams: Affirm
Robert Baty: Deny
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This entire post is attacking me, my family and my business! I have asked you repeatedly to stop your attacks on my family and my business and you keep going. I am not playing a game Mr. Baty. I will be reporting you to the proper authorities on Monday morning if you have not removed this post by then! I have also reported you once again to facebook, and it is being escalated through the proper channels on there as well! I shared this post with them to prove that you are somehow still able to see my profile despite the fact I blocked you almost a month ago. I am following their recommendations of reporting you to them and the proper authorities!
Kayla Williams B.S.