Cradle of Filth : To Eve The Art Of Witchcraft, From The album "The Principle of Evil Made Flesh" which sorry if I offend anybody is Black Metal.

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2002-03-09, 05:33

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2002-03-09, 17:04

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just because Cradle are well known doesn't mean they're not Black Metal. OK i'll agree that everything from From The Cradle To Enslave onwards isn't black metal (aside from a few songs) but everything before hand is.

as for Borknagar, i think Empricisim is very much overrated.
of the BM bands i've discovered more recently i think Sacramentum fucking rock!!!

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2002-03-09, 19:37

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Originally posted by The Crying Orc Cradle of Filth isn't Black Metal. Sorry.

Where are you living? Last time I checked, they were pretty fuckin' black....

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2002-03-09, 19:37

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Oh shut the fuck up,quit sticking up for your cum guzzling Cradle of Filth band. You know they suck.

2002-03-09, 22:04

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pff just because you don't like CoF, doesn't mean they suck! if that's how it works, then Burzum sucks big fat donkey cock, cause I don't fucking like it.

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Originally posted by The Crying Orc Oh shut the fuck up,quit sticking up for your cum guzzling Cradle of Filth band. You know they suck.

Cum guzzling.......Cradle of Filth........band.....

Wow. It's like you're not even worth an insult.

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2002-03-10, 05:35

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Cool,then don't bother wasteing your time.
Have a nice night.

2002-03-10, 14:38

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Wait, he's right though, CoF are not black metal, I like CoF and I love black metal, but I know enough to know they aren't black metal, way more commercial, and the music has a different atmosphere in my opinion, but they do have BM roots.

2002-03-10, 15:10

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Well, that is not exacly black metal (it's prog death), but it can be an ultimate song anyway...

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2002-03-10, 18:08

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Well,Fears is right. Black Metal roots.
....The money got to them.

2002-03-10, 20:11

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What about Dimmu Borgir? Do you guys consider them Black Metal?? Cause they have had a shitload of fame, not to mention performances on the Norwegien Grammy Awards, etc.

I just listen to the music and their statements, and I consider them to be Black Metal all the way.

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2002-03-10, 21:51

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Cradle of Filth are still as underground as fuck, fellas. They are just so damn awesome, that they get more recognition. So that has what to do with them sounding as "black metal" as any band? I don't see a connection. They didn't stop playing black metal. Their albums are the same. Some just have a little more guitar in them.

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2002-03-10, 22:19

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black metal isn't all the same. i mean do Emperor sound like Darkthrone? NO

same with death metal, do Deicide sound like Arch Enemy? no

do Napalm Death sound like Cock And Ball Torture? NO

all bands i compared are labelled in a same genre but sound different. Cradle may not be like Darkthrone or Burzum or Mayhem but they're still Black..... well before From The Cradle To Enslave anyway.

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2002-03-10, 23:39

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I think From the Cradle is still pretty black. Not as black as dusk... but still. And Midian is more or less black. BSTS, however, is not black at all, but pop(well, maybe not pop, but not black). That last album does kinda reek of "ooh i'm so famous, that whatever the fuck i do, everyone will like it". I just hope they'll lose that attitude.

That's what I meant, CURRENT CoF is not BM. The old stuff is more BM then the current stuff. But, I LOVE the current stuff they do aswell as the old stuff, Cradle of Filth are just well.. entertaining and still thought provoking.

2002-03-11, 03:38

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"Cradle of Filth are still as underground as fuck, fellas"

Hahaha,oh god.

And no,Dimmu Borgir isn't Black Metal. Wannabe,why don't you take a trip over to England and say Cradle of Filth isn't underground. Haha. You'd be ashamed of what you've said.

2002-03-11, 23:33

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its still safe to say 90+% of the UK population (and Ireland) hate Cradle Of Filth.

also i don't think From The Cradle To Enslave is black because the title track is as mainstream as they've got. also Perverts Church is shite. Aside from that EP i love everything COF have done. Midian was a masterpiece and Bitter Suites material wise was alright but it was regurgitated old material that should have been left untouched (especially Black Goddess which now unfortunately sucks).

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2002-03-12, 02:15

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Eh, gotta point there.
I know a lot of people in America that actually hate them. I went to see Cradle of Filth once, and Im serious, all I saw there in the crowd, where little teens with short hair wearing Independant shirts and Shorty's sweaters and skater shorts and shoes,etc.
It was rather dissapointing.

2002-03-12, 05:36

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Originally posted by The Crying Orc "Cradle of Filth are still as underground as fuck, fellas"

Hahaha,oh god.

And no,Dimmu Borgir isn't Black Metal. Wannabe,why don't you take a trip over to England and say Cradle of Filth isn't underground. Haha. You'd be ashamed of what you've said.

Haha, oh god, what? Do your kitty phrasings have an underlying point?

Dimmu Borgir is also black metal, for any sane people. Oh, well of course they do have that almost undisputed classic rock sound though, don't they? How chillingly they sound like ac/dc. Jesus, why don't you split some hairs, Ace.

Perfect fucking example of genre abuse. My friend was right about that. A person can be anal about that shite.

Ok. I'll go to England and say, "Cradle of Filth aren't underground". Then what will they say? Yes, you are correct. Jesus, I wish you could spit out what you mean in your own statement. But I take into consideration you are a 'tard. I know what you mean. But I don't live in the U.K buddy. How about you travel to North America and ask someone who Cradle of Filth is. As a matter of fact, ask them if they know what black metal is. I was only taking into consideration, the most influential country in the world's view on the subject......in which case they are still pretty fucking underground.

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2002-03-12, 05:46

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Originally posted by The Crying Orc
I went to see Cradle of Filth once, and Im serious, all I saw there in the crowd, where little teens with short hair wearing Independant shirts and Shorty's sweaters and skater shorts and shoes,etc.
It was rather dissapointing.

Oh, I know what ya mean, dood. It disappoints me as well. I mean what's the genre coming to? The fans weren't wearing "goat sacrificing" ensembles. Plus their hair wasn't long like it's supposed to be. We can't let anyone break the unwritten dress code, can we? Oh, well now we have perfect justification as to why they suck now....look at the rejects in the audience. Whew! I'm tired from my brilliant, well-thought-out deduction. I'm going to get some rest. Maybe tomorrow I can make someone else dumber.

I hope you still rate Limbonic Art as black metal, because I think that their 'Pits Of The Cold Beyond' is one of the best black metalsongs I've ever heard, next to 'Blashyrkh' by Immortal.

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2002-03-12, 15:34

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Originally posted by Vortigern I hope you still rate Limbonic Art as black metal, because I think that their 'Pits Of The Cold Beyond' is one of the best black metalsongs I've ever heard, next to 'Blashyrkh' by Immortal.

Who did "Pits of the Cold Beyond"?

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2002-03-12, 22:21

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look as for Cradle Of Filth all i gotta say is listen to "Queen Of Winter Throned" and if you can still tell me they're shit then there's sumthing wrong with you!!

i'm still at school, aside from my mate Jason EVERYONE else either HATES or hasn't heard of Black Metal, including COF. That still makes them underground.

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2002-03-12, 23:50

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everyone in my school looks at me weirdly when i mention cof or cc. Thy're like "Cannibal Corpse... oook... you're weird" and then i laugh at them and tell them that staind isn't the heavist band on earth. Damn, i'm an outcast... that sucks...

Staind? what the? but I know what you mean. people here still thing limp bizkit is heavy as fuck. 'not quite' tends to be my understatement-reply, after which I subject them to slightly heavier stuff like, I don't know, say Marduk and Mortician. (heh, just typed 'moretician') 'nuff said.

cradle still doesn't produce popsongs. although I'd like to see Dani when he makes it to 'top of the pops'. I wonder if he'll keep his word and masturbate on stage in front of the british television-viewers. don't think so.

I think things are beginning to change for metal. when even within temptation can make it into the charts over here, well. was kinda funny though. when I went to see them threequarters of the audience were fourteen year-old britney spears-fans. but before within temptation went on they had to endure finntroll. you should've seen their faces! they all went pale and shrieked! (diabolical laughter)

just discovered Insomnium. pretty cool band in the vein of Opeth. not that good just yet, but I think they'll get there.

they were very good live as well. often bands have a problem playing as good on stage as they do in the studio. I wonder how that can be? (ironic grin)

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2002-11-12, 00:23

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BEST BLACK METAL SONG

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THAT
VENOM:THE EVIL ONE IS AWESOME,
AS WELL AS VADER: REVELATION OF BLACK MOSES
& THERE ARE SOME GOOD IMMORTAL SONGS, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAMES OF THEM.
IT'S TOO HARD TO SAY ONE SONG IS THE BEST, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH SO MANY BLACK METAL BANDS.

2002-11-12, 04:38

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I just saw the CoF dvd, pandemonium (spelling). It was teh gayest thing i have ever seen. The lead singer whatever the hell his name is, is such a faq. Its glam in black metal. I dont know if it was just that one particular video, but they made him look so damn gay when he would talk!!

Originally posted by danzig THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THAT
VENOM:THE EVIL ONE IS AWESOME,
AS WELL AS VADER: REVELATION OF BLACK MOSES
& THERE ARE SOME GOOD IMMORTAL SONGS, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAMES OF THEM.
IT'S TOO HARD TO SAY ONE SONG IS THE BEST, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH SO MANY BLACK METAL BANDS.

Darkthrone - Over Fjell Og Gjennom Torner (i have no idea if i spelled that right...)
Mayhem - Funeral Fog
Marduk - Dark Endless
Graveland - most shit on the Thousand Swords album
Ancient Wisdom - Powerslave (it has a beautiful guitar solo!)
Absu - The Coming Of War.....Absu is not really black metal though but they sound like BM

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for sheer ugliness and the embodiment of all that is supposed to be "black" or "necro" about the music....
ANAAL NATHRAKH - PANDEMONIC HYPERBLAST
and for just overall me liking it...
EMPEROR - YE ENTRANCEMPERIUM
and uh...that's that

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Originally posted by The Crying Orc Cradle of Filth isn't Black Metal. Sorry.

let's not get i,to that discussion again, please. been there, done that.

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Originally posted by wannabe Haha, oh god, what? Do your kitty phrasings have an underlying point?

Dimmu Borgir is also black metal, for any sane people. Oh, well of course they do have that almost undisputed classic rock sound though, don't they? How chillingly they sound like ac/dc. Jesus, why don't you split some hairs, Ace.

Perfect fucking example of genre abuse. My friend was right about that. A person can be anal about that shite.

Ok. I'll go to England and say, "Cradle of Filth aren't underground". Then what will they say? Yes, you are correct. Jesus, I wish you could spit out what you mean in your own statement. But I take into consideration you are a 'tard. I know what you mean. But I don't live in the U.K buddy. How about you travel to North America and ask someone who Cradle of Filth is. As a matter of fact, ask them if they know what black metal is. I was only taking into consideration, the most influential country in the world's view on the subject......in which case they are still pretty fucking underground.

I lived in california for 2 years and moved back to Armenia, californians have bad taste for music........They listen to rock music which sux cock and balls!!
yeah thats true, COF is underground depending where you are from and stuff.......
Back then when I was in California the most crziest metalheads didin't know these bands;
-Morbid Angel
-Iced Earth
-Death
-Dimmu Borgir
-Cradle Of Filth
-and many more but I 'm tired!!!!

shit, you just revived a three year old memory in which i planned to buy When Daylight's Gone & Underneath The Crescent Moon comp. album. i assume the songs on there are better than those on Scourge of Malice? i have the latest three albums, i think they got worse everytime, but Nutopia is the only one i really dont like, fucking crappy album name as well.

well, i have a hard time picking ONE fucking song, ill just keep it to 5

Dimmu borgir-kings of the carnival creation
Mourn in silence-heaven's sword
Nokturnal mortum-veles' scrolls
Old man's child-the mellenium king
Cradle of filth-funeral in carpathia

man, no way is that their "ultimate" or even close to best song. have you heard all their songs. so many better ones. the one i listed, dusk and her embrace, beneath the howling stars, cthulu dawn, amor e morte...

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ive only heard Her Ghost in the fog and a couple of other ones but ill be sure to check those out

xasthur is the worst and most boring black metal ive heard. Gr|/\/\ and <v|±!!! +r00 B|@{<

i've only heard a little of their music..but amen to that!!

i think its funny someone mentioned venom on one of the earlier pages and a bunch of people posted saying they weren't even black metal and that the guy that said that was an ass or whatever..them page 4 someone says venom - black metal (kinda surprised that one didn't come up till page 4 anyway) and then nobody said shit..except one person in agreement