Voter Fraud May Have Given Us Obamacare

In the ’08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

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The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

John Fund and Hans vonSpakovsky have written a book that chronicles voter fraud called, “Who’s Counting?” Here is part of a review:

Authors John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky have presented hard evidence that voter fraud (some of it well-organized), combined with incompetence, alleged “reforms,” and bureaucratic indifference have undermined the popular trust in America’s most precious right: picking our leaders.

The metaphoric but iconic “Lady Liberty” would have to be in tears as this documented study cites example after example of such fraud as 1.8 million dead people are still registered to vote; illegal aliens have been voting, including one assassin of a Mexican presidential candidate who voted in California twice

So, the next time someone argues with you about voter fraud, remind them of the Franken race. Next time someone argues that showing an ID is somehow repressive, tell them that when voter fraud occurs, even a small amount, it makes ALL of our votes not count. That is wrong. That is anti-American.

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nearly 1,100 convicted felons illegally voted and reversed the election of Norm Coleman so Democrat Al Franken could steal his seat, and people actually believe that Democrats living in denial of voter fraud existence or their claim to be solely interested in preventing voter suppression is credible? Talk about having your head in the sand, that’s worse than not believing the MSM is not liberally biased! Nice work by Noah Goldberg reporting FACTS that you won’t read in the MSM. Could it be that 90+% of them are registered Democrats has something to do with it.

Well I haven’t read the book, so I can’t say how it arrives at these conclusions, but the federal project to stop voter fraud was itself an example of fraud, waste and abuse because it charged very few people and got fewer convictions, indicating that voter fraud is not so widespread.

All of the laws to require ID for voters would do NOTHING to stop the alleged problem of probationers/parolees/felons voting. This is why voters must register. Again, the ID requirement would not have stopped these people from voting.

There seems to be no solid evidence that Franken’s election was the result of ineligible votes.

I’ll try again. Polls are showing that the president currently leads Romney by some 90 percent among black voters and by some 40-50 percentage points among latinos. In 2008, between 94 and 95 percent of the black vote went to the president.

Republicans are determined not to let that happen again. In what promises to be a close election they are attempting to disenfranchise as many of these minority voters as they can through the new voter ID laws in order to hold the black vote totals down in as many states as they can.

I remember reading where voter fraud gave us George W Bush. I didn’t and don’t believe that, but, I do believe voter fraud isn’t new or will it go away anytime soon. Cheaters will always find a way to cheat. At least that’s been the historic case. I’m sure history has a lot to do with the mistrust folks have in voter suppression. Hard to reverse history when fraud, cheating and abuse continues.

I don’t understand how Voter ID laws are supposed to keep convicted felons from voting.

There are 1.8 million dead people registered to vote, but how many of those have voted?

I think we need to discuss ways to keep people ineligible to vote from appearing on voter rolls in the first place. We need to closely scrutinize all new applications, as well as making sure either the courts or the jails notify the voter registration office when someone has been convicted of a felony.

Another fun fact…. Far more than 312 voters were fraudulently registered by our “friends” at ACORN. Was the election in Minnesota stolen and do we have Obamacare because of it? There is absolutely NO doubt. Democrats have been winning by stealing elections for decades. That is precisely why they howl so loudly when steps are taken to prevent voter fraud. They know they can’t prevail without voter fraud. Freedom loving, honest election loving Americans must put a stop to voter fraud and illegal immigration. NOW.

I seem to recall that during the entire eight months of the trial Franken held to one position: Count all votes cast. Coleman went back and forth depending on if he thought he had the advantage.

The votes you seem so concerned about now were bought up by Coleman during the trial, but since they came from a district that had voted in Coleman’s favor he insisted they be counted. After they were counted he insisted they be thrown out.

Franken always had one reply: Count every vote.

Republicans then appealed to the Sec. of State to refuse to certify the election since this would keep Franken from being seated, but Senate rules can override any state rules and the Senate can choose to seat, or they can refuse to seat, anyone they chose. I don’t remember what the Sec. of State there did, but his refusal to certify the vote became a moot point.

The usual mean partisanship of taking a joke and getting mean and personal with it. After all these years I’ve gotten used to it, but you are usually above this, I guess this election has brought you down into the swamp. Since conservatives give 30% more to the poor and needy than liberals, more blood and time too, I guess your “difference” between GOP and Dems is simply living in your own head and not in reality. Obama gives 1% of his income to the poor, and Romney gives 15%. Who really thinks “we are all in this together?” The one who gives a measely amount or the one who gives generously to others. You might want to think about that.

You keep repeating that republicans give more to charity than do democrats. I have no idea how you can back that up but you like to say it. If republicans are able to eliminate Medicaid and turn Medicare into a voucher system as per the Ryan plan, and eliminate Social Security, which Ryan would like to do, charity is all millions of Americans are going be able to rely on…all so that wealthy people can get more tax cuts.

*Republicans like wealthy people more? Who are you kidding. Kerry, Pelois, the Kennedys are all enormously wealthy. -Kathleen McKinley*

The democrats aren’t against the wealthy. They don’t want a system gamed to the wealthy. The proposed republican tax cuts, as always, are skewed to benefit wealthy people. The result, as we’ve been seeing in the wake of republican adminstrations over the past thirty years has been nothing but budget deficits. And now they’re blaming those deficits on school teachers, firemen and policemen and poor people on food stamps, not to mention seniors and people who’ve paid into social security and Medicare their whole working lives.

Republicans also want to cut tax rates to 25% and end taxes on capital gains. Romney and Ryan are now trying to run away from specifically identifying how they can balance the budget after their cuts.

I hate to bring down a reality check on you, but the Democrats are “skewed to benefit the wealthy” too. It’s a political reality. Cutting tax rates produces more jobs and more tax revenue. Reagan proved that.

Time and again, the most evidence of voter fraud has been with mail-in ballots….something that would never be caught by photo-id at the polling place.

The idea that that there are hordes of illegal voters out eager to risk a felony conviction for illegally voting at the polling places is laughable. People balance things on a risk-reward basis — i.e. is the reward worth the risk. The reward — one more vote for a candidate — is miniscule compared to the risk.

The last time I voted, I presented my registration certificate. It was then checked at against a list of registered voters, and only after they were satisfied that the name in that certificate had not yet voted was I allowed to vote.

Deliberate voter fraud at the polling places on a regular basis? Horse excrement.

Yeah, well voter fraud in Florida most likely gave us Bush instead of Gore, so it works both ways. There is no way to eliminate all voter fraud, but if a candidate is a clear majority choice then the small amount of voter fraud will not have an impact. It is still better than enacting laws that will prevent a significant fraction of legal voters from being able to vote, as “voter ID” laws would.

Can you explain how voter ID laws prevent people who should NOT be eligible to vote, but are still on the roles, from voting? In this case, it sounds like treating tonsillitis by putting a bandaid on your finger.

How do we know who any of the alleged 1,099 felons voted for? No one knows that. No one knows how many of those votes, if any, went to Al Franken. Do we believe this because an admittedly conservative group tells us so?

IF this is true, how do you know for whom these felons voted? I haven’t seen this issue addressed anywhere.
Felons are restored their right to vote in MN after incarceration and any probation so the fact that they were convicted doesn’t mean they could not vote.
How would voter ID have prevented this? Felons can possess a driver’s license.

Was Minnesota Majority ever able to determine exactly who each of those 1,099 felons voted for? Without that information,your claims that these ineligible voters caused Frankin to win the race are without merit.

I was listening to Texas Attorney General Gregg Abbott yesterday and he was talking about voter fraud in Texas. It seems the Obama Administration has been loading up on Federal Judges. Abbott says Texas is arguing the voter ID with the government now with a Federal Judge in Galveston that was recently appointed by Obama. Abbott stated that their office has received thousands of complaints where deceased and non citizens have voted.

So I’m guessing Obama and Holder are right that the VoterID law is discrimatory against dead people and illegal aliens.

Nothing surprises me any more. Obama is suing to keep military members from voting. The lies keep mounting up. Who Should be in office when jobs are the priority? Some one who has created and really saved hundreds of thousands of jobs or A Community Organizer whose jobs program cost Over $400000 per job?

“Obama is suing to keep military members from voting”.
This is a bald faced lie. Produce the case number of this lawsuit. It would be public record.
Obama is suing a state election commission to allow all members of the public to vote at the same time and place as the military. He is not stopping the military from voting. Liar.

“The Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee have filed a lawsuit to block a new state law allowing men and women in uniform to vote up until the Monday right before an election, while the cutoff on early voting for the rest of the public is three days earlier.”

Wonder if Bexar County still has those 300+ illegal immigrants registered to vote? Considering how much fraud is carried out by liberal activists and officials, it’s no wonder they oppose voter ID. If one voter is turned away at the precinct, libs cry “foul”, but if one voter is disenfranchised because of another’s fraudulent vote, libs are silent. From the Austin American-Statesman “Convictions cited include a woman accused of submitting her dead mother’s ballot, an activist charged with casting votes illegally for elderly people and a city council member accused of registering foreigners to vote.”

And on an even more worrisome scale, we have the Presidential election of 2004, when the Supreme Court countermanded the will of the majority and selected George W. Bush president. Individual voter fraud is a minuscule problem, compared to systemic and carefully-engineered election fraud. Just saying…

These felons if they voted in the election voted illegally, not fraudulently. If they were caught comparing the voter rolls to a list of convicted felons, they used their real names. That is not fraud.

Did the Democrats enlist felons to vote? There’s no proof of that and the conservative group had no evidence that any of that was occurring. They just said that 1099 felons voted. The fact that some people vote who are not eligible isn’t fraud. Sometimes they don’t know any better.

I am an incoming senior at Harmony School of Advancement. I have a few questions about this article before I can believe its validity. Isn’t there publication bias from the conservative study you cite that found 1099 fraudulent felon votes? Since they have a different policy agenda, wouldn’t it benefit them to hide results or sample specific areas to receive results that would illustrate their political opponents as illegitimate? Since Ms.Mckinley doesn’t offer the methodology of the study, we should be more skeptical about its results. Especially since a study conducted in the fourth quarter of 2006 by the Brennan Center for Justice examined multiple instances of accused voter fraud and found that voter fraud has a chance rate of .0009%.

I would suggest you read the book “Who’s Counting.” It is well researched and footnoted. This isn’t about spin. Either the felons voted or they didn’t. That is not hard to prove or disprove. Since Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate they have actually had 177 people convicted, not just accused, but convicted, of voting fraudulently in the Senate race SO FAR. The investigation continues. So, it’s not a conservative study that is convicting these people. It is prosecutors of the state. Btw, The Brennan Center for Justice is funded by ultra liberal billionaire George Soros, so I wouldn’t put much faith in them as an unbiased source either. Always look at all sides.

I was raised conservative and still am but i wont vote for romley he is as bad or worse then obama. Oh and obama got elected because of the cheney and bush lies that cost this country 6 trillion dollars in war. And if you think thats not enuf just ask a real defense expert what a war with iran will cost this country do you think we could handle it. it will be double what the last two cost not counting the amount of lives lost.

gary, you may believe your lies but we don’t have to. We are in debt at about 5 times the cost of Afghanistan and Iraq since Obama has been in chargew. His party has not presented a budget in way over 3 years. Obama’s own budgets have not garnered a single affirmative vote by either party every time he has offered one.

I’d like to see what source you have that mentions $6 trillion for the wars. FYI, in Feb 2009 Obama himself declared he was bringing Iraq to a close after saying the $860 billion was too high (every funding effort was voted on btw with many dems in the affirmative). He also said he would increase troop levels in Afghanistan and fund that war at $144b in 2009, $130b in 2010 and estimated $50b/year after that. Some of us know its time to get serious. Brings facts or go back to Kos child.