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California's Oldest Newspaper - Est. 1851Sat, 01 Aug 2015 00:47:47 -0700hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1By: :)http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-801544
Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:08:46 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-801544So did the trial start? Nothing in the Mountain Democrat about it? That’s shocking!
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Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:50:02 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-799385Here we go! Tuesday is the big day! One step closer to cleaning up this county! Hooray!
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-796068
Wed, 19 Mar 2014 05:37:20 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-796068Here’s who you’re getting your “news” from:http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/alarcon-pleads-no-contest-to-nine-counts/ “The judge then went down the nine charges, including receiving stolen goods — a vehicle registration tag, driving on a suspended or revoked license, displaying false registration on a vehicle, driving without insurance and not having current registration. For every one, Alarcon replied, “No contest.” Five additional charges were dropped, and the receiving stolen goods charges was dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor.”
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-796002
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 19:01:28 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-796002Ah, see what happens when you ASSume smiley? I don’t have a candidate. I could not care less who the DA is, I just like to call out dishonesty. On that note, Cris Alarcon got arrested for having bad plates and no registration on his car a couple years back. Explains the hard on he has for Pierson. But yes, please continue to listen to him as an unbiased source.
]]>By: :)http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-795995
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:10:45 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-795995Why yes he did fake Oh Brother. You are another backwoods hillbilly. If your choice of candidate is so great what the heck is the problem? You sound silly.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-795994
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:09:24 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-795994Looks like he already posted it, but with his own “Editor’s Note” claiming that News 10, an actual legitimate news source, published a story with many factual errors. Riiiiiight…. Does Cris Alarcon have a criminal record? I’m wondering because he sure has a lot of hate toward law enforcement.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-795990
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:59:49 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-795990Do you think Cris Alarcon will be posting a story about this on inedc.com? If not, why not? It’s big news for El Dorado County. If he doesn’t, can we all stop posting smear articles about Pierson from that website?
]]>By: Banksy von Bankrupthttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-795989
Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:56:32 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-795989http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/eldorado-hills/2014/03/17/el-dorado-candidate-residency-questioned/6547203/
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794817
Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:00:08 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794817What about it? It’s certainly not a felony.
]]>By: ladies rulehttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794713
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:08:17 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794713OB – What about the wrongly instructed grand jury.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794681
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:09:21 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794681It also includes fraud, tax evasion, perjury, etc. What is your point? If you don’t murder someone, it’s trivial? Better let Bernie Madoff out then. After all, if it’s not murder, rape, etc., it’s trivial and not worth our time.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794674
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:41:50 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794674Oh, Male Trix, stop. You’re making me blush. And I don’t swing that way…but I’m sure you’ll make some lucky guy very happy…;-)
]]>By: trail mixhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794669
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:27:18 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794669Fake OB, oh my but you are so strong and tough, just makes me want to chew you up. Yummy…
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794668
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:18:55 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794668Thank you for making my point, without even knowing it Fruity.
]]>By: froot loopshttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794663
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:05:33 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794663Fake OB, perhaps you are the criminal, or one of those grand jury guys, or one of your family members is a criminal and you are trying to cut one of those deals. This can be spun in so many ways.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794656
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:38:18 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794656I’ll add you to the list, Froot Loops.
]]>By: cherrioshttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794655
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:36:49 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794655fake OB, owning people is your claim to fame.
]]>By: Coleman Reecehttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794652
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:19:37 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794652Then again, Fact Checker goes by that name without actually checking any facts, so there’s that.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794650
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:17:38 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794650You’re so lame and paranoid. If anyone feels differently than you, they’re obviously working for the DA’s office, right? And since you’re so outspoken against law enforcement, you’re obviously a criminal. See how that works? No one cares what name you “blog” under. It’s as irrelevant as your delusional opinions. I “blog” under your name because I find you ridiculous and amusing. And it makes me feel all warm inside that I own you so much you have to follow me around replying to everything I say. Life is good…
]]>By: :)http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794647
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:45:39 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794647@the fake Oh Brother, this is the original and I am not blogging under that name anymore…I have moved on to my real name after this post. You are such a DA supporter and so transparent. He and his supporters are a bunch of phony supporters of justice and have no ethics at all. I am sure you will continue your impersonations, just as the rest of this cruddy so called judicial system in this county does…impersonating honest, ethical and moral justice. You all have fun playing dirty politics in the upcoming campaigns.
]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794644
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:36:16 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794644Apparently in “law school” they don’t teach you how to spell the word fact. Sad…
]]>By: Coleman Reecehttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794642
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:28:50 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794642http://www.villagelife.com/news/nutting-gets-new-judge-new-bail/

The judge, Timothy Buckley. Best not to call yourself fact checker if you’re such an idiot you can’t check on one simple fact.

]]>By: Oh Brotherhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794640
Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:26:10 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794640Couldn’t quite figure out how to spell fact, huh? Not surprising…
]]>By: Fatchttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794209
Sat, 08 Mar 2014 04:42:02 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794209Bull..pucky… Wrong interpretation! Or is that Verne’s interpretation? Dude, go to law school like I did!
]]>By: Fatchttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-794208
Sat, 08 Mar 2014 04:38:37 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-794208Verne is Joe’s little crony! Nothing happens with scum on the water without Joe’s hand in it! The County, each and every employee, knows this… Take a anonymous survey of employees…especially the ones that have worked with him… Of course the Mtn Democrat won’t since Joe via Cheri has the newspaper in control!
]]>By: Evelynhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-793227
Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:00:16 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793227DA SELECTIVELY PROSECUTES SUPERVISORS ON FORM 700 OMISSIONS – HERE: “If the District Attorney had a real case, why would he be out talking about it failing?”
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Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:19:40 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793117Nice Strawman…
]]>By: 1036-Frankhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-793045
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:59:51 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793045I very much agree that for elections, especially for the BOS, people closely look at someone’s finances and background as it is certainly problematic if they come into office with a what can the taxpayers/developers/lobbyists do for me attitude and how can it benefit them as this often leads to trouble. It should always be how they can benefit the county and if they haven’t thought that part out with specifics then maybe they should sit it out. The pay rate for the BOS appears to be reasonable and comparable at this point in time and should stay where it is. Placer County capped the BOS pay at 30k in the early 90’s and it requires a public vote to change it and people are reluctant to raise salaries, they have tried to twice and are again trying now.
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:12:28 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793039citizen: You write: Those not using their supervisor’s pay as their sole income, might tend to be less inclined to bend the rules. Of all elected officials, why supervisors in particular?
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:03:31 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793037citizen: Sam L. commented AFTER you wrote about Placer County’s “model of $40K a year flat”. Interestingly, EDC, with a population 5x that of Amador County, pays their Sups only 7% more than Amador. I certainly do not know what accounts for fair salary computation.
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:50:10 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793034Evelyn, I had stated Placer county Supe’s earn 40K. Sam Licarto posted Amador’s earned the same as Placer’s. I probably shouldn’t have used his information. You do realize that the supervisor position is part time right? I feel My post was on topic. If a person is being paid to perform his/her duties at a part time position, but to perform the duties must work full time. Then how are they expected to survive? The State Senate and Assembly members are allowed to keep their jobs while serving their constituents. So my point being maybe we should check someone’s financial stability when choosing people to be the oversight of a $450 million annual budget. Those not using their supervisor’s pay as their sole income, might tend to be less inclined to bend the rules.
]]>By: Evelynhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-793023
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:05:29 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793023AMADOR COUNTY –HERE:
Population: 36,741;
Supervisors (2012) – $78,442
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:58:06 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793022EL DORADO COUNTY – HERE: POPULATION: 182,286; SAMPLE TOTAL WAGES (2012): • County Counsel $328,597
• DA $253,141
• Auditor-Controller $247,726
• CAO $230,183
• Supervisors $84,077
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:55:01 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-793021citizen: The thread wandered away from the Nutting trial to BOS salaries and I have a question for you. Yesterday @7:57am you wrote that Placer County BOS salaries are $40k flat. Where did you find that? The only document I find for Placer BOS (here) references Bereavement Leave, Deferred Compensation, Health Insurance, Holidays, Life Insurance, Long-Term Disability, Retiree Medical & Retirement. ********** P.S. Placer County has 357,463 residents.
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:50:33 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792989I can’t speak for “most people”. But here in our county the BOS is a part time position. Yet they are paid twice as much as our neighbors in Placer and Amador counties. Why do you think that is?
]]>By: 1036-Frankhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792938
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:17:08 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792938I don’t think many people want more or higher paid political offices in the county then there are now, and after two terms, it should be time for new people to be elected to avoid ideas of a person seeking office to become wealthy from too many temptations usually involving corrupt votes and developer deals and lobbyists. The BOS has historically been a low paid position and not a career as it is set up for people who have other jobs and income. There are plenty of other well paid full time positions in local government. Most people support a part time every other year legislature, as many states have, to stop these career politicians from unleashing hundreds of new ridiculous regulations each year like these “multi-gender” school bathrooms.
]]>By: citizenhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792916
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:04:57 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792916I agree ethically. How many competent people could you get paying a part time salary and demanding they work 12 hrs a day?
]]>By: James E.http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792905
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 04:23:05 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792905Can you buy ethics by paying a higher salary? A man/woman has ethics or they don’t have ethics.
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Sun, 02 Mar 2014 02:58:50 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792901citizen says 40k for the DA wouldn’t get anyone with ethics. Maybe 253k would do the trick?
]]>By: citizenhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792897
Sun, 02 Mar 2014 02:00:51 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792897The arguments of how many hours Mr Nutting says he works is mute. No one is directing him on how to perform his duties. He is the Supervisor of D-2 and he is his own manager. The answer to the question of only paying other elected officials 40K. The answer is simple. If you set the pay at 40k for the Sheriff and DA and mandated they perform those duties as a full time job, no one with much if any ethics would take the position. Only those who were affluent, those who wanted to manipulate their position or those who actually thought 40K for a Sheriff or DA was good money to them would run for those positions. People who are responding with vitriol who claim Ray Nutting works 12 hours a day to perform his duties. I ask you why does he do this? It’s a part-time job. It’s not suppose to be permanent or your primary income. But strangely for 4 of the BOS’s it is! The 5th is working for free. I don’t think that we are getting the best and the brightest BOS’s. Finally in management there are two fundamental absolutes. 1st. There is no value to a person who identifies a problem. The value is those who solve a situation before the problem is identified. 2nd. Today it is more important to work smart more than work hard. And if you are performing your duties well you won’t need to stipulate how hard you are working.
]]>By: citizenhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792832
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:05:54 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792832The job is defined as only mandatory day to work is Tuesdays…most Tuesdays. Do I think “poor people” should not be a BOS? 3 of the 5, this is the highest paid position they’ve ever held. 1 other is having his property repossessed all over. I gave 2 scenarios for a solution. Read them again. The BOS centralized their power over 10 years ago. The county needs to decide if the position is actually full time or not. If it is give them the staff and pay accordingly. That way Fran a “poor” person could do the job…
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Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:55:07 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792819citizen from the da’s office has his own valuable point of view.
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Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:33:27 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792813You are obviously uninformed…the elected supervisors may spend only a day a week (sometimes two) in session, but that’s only the tip of the iceberg. They’re given hundreds of pages of agenda materials to be reviewed for every weekly meeting, expected to attend meetings of other boards or agencies to which they are appointed so that the County’s interests are represented, and receive dozens of calls and meeting requests from constituents about everything from potholes to new development projects. The fact that they are paid only about 1/3 of the salaries of other senior elected officials (DA, Auditor, Treasurer-Tax Collector) doesn’t make the job of Supervisor part-time.
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Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:21:28 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792811With the state doing the Nutting case heavy lifting seems our part-time DA is also overpaid. $40K sounds good.
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Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:56:39 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792804Citizen, where’d you get the idea that a BOS position is a part-time job? You mean, as in 20-30 hours/week? (I think you or someone else may have said 8.) What? I happen to know Ray Nutting worked 12 or more hours a day, almost every single day, for years. He was completely well-informed about the goings-on in his community. He worked all day, every single weekday, and attended public functions after hours. I have no idea how his trial will turn out and am not addressing the crimes of which he has been accused here, but I want you to re-think that statement about his work hours.
]]>By: Fran Duchamphttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792793
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:26:02 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792793citizen, “He has openly admitted to committing the transgressions he’s accused of” <—-link please. he still shows up at all our functions up here…hasnt mentioned this at all. Your source?
]]>By: Fran Duchamphttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792792
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:23:40 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-79279240 K would your thoughts also include the DA? Auditor? Just asking.
]]>By: Fran Duchamphttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792791
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:21:45 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792791Citizen…are you saying that someone who is poor can not be a supervisor?
]]>By: Sam Licartohttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792788
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:18:19 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792788Amador County sups are paid about the same as Placer’s, right, citizen? Yep, relativity flew the coop.
]]>By: citizenhttp://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/nutting-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-792784
Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:57:14 +0000http://www.mtdemocrat.com?p=407916&preview_id=407916#comment-792784I think that this whole situation has lost any sense of relativity. Boiled down to it’s base, the BOS position is a part time temporary position that is designed as an over sight duty. 1 day a week 2 terms. The people who perform these duties should have a primary income already established. That’s not the case in EDC BOS, 4 of the 5 Supervisor’s pay is their primary income. For 3 of them, it’s the most money they’ve ever earned in their life time. I don’t think that we are getting the best and brightest in our community willing to serve in these positions. Guilt or innocence doesn’t appear to be the issue in Mr Nutting’s situation. He has openly admitted to committing the transgressions he’s accused of. It is more does the punishment equal the crime? Most people in his situation would have stepped down. So now the County has to go through a trial. Personally I think Mr Nutting was faced with his desire to be a public official and having to raise a family on a part time salary. I believe that the Supervisor position structure needs to be changed. To copy 1 of 2 models. 1st. being Placer Counties model of $40K a year flat that’s it nothing else. Or the large counties model of full time pay and staff with no term limits. In any case the losers in this are the citizens of this County.
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