and unless your going to demand your woman shaves her legs every single day to avoid the prickle factor then you should accept that hairy (and womens legs aren't that hairy anyway) legs are awesome too.

But like Cuddly says, mostly this is girl/girl pressure, most men aren't bothered.

The prickle factor is a major annoyance of mine. My face frequently goes from boyish smooth to sexy but untouchable stubble to a brief phase of sexy touchable stuble to scruffy beard (to cool beard to "you've been hanging around with your mates drinking ale" beard to Santa beard to Awesomeness of Gandalf beard). I wonder if werewolves were real and they were the type that can change at will if they can also get a control of their body hair, I figure if you can go from a wolf, covered in hair to a relatively bald human then instantly retracting or growing ones beard can't be impossible.

IVstudios wrote:Your media is full of shaven pubic regions? Man, I am watching the wrong media.

What, you don't watch porn?

[/quote]smooth legs > hairy legs.[/quote]hairy legs > woman cranky because of irritated skin and other side effects of legs shaving

Yeah McD, there are a lot of guys who find that hairy legs on women are a huge turnoff- that's part of where you get the "hairy man-hating lesbian" stereotype.

There are a lot of fussy men. Needless to say, they are not real, manly man in the sense in which I am.

Seriously though. Default state for a woman is hairy legs, which is something noone explains to you early on. You only find that out once you start regularly seeing a woman, or perhaps living with her. Until then, you keep thinking that woman's legs are perfectly naturally smooth (except that you're puzzled by all those depilation aids commercials, but they don't really explain anything unless you already know it). Hell, a 18 year old boy is granted to know more about menstruation and related problems than about leg-shaving, because that issue has actually been covered in media and is gonna pop up as a point of conversation more often. It's like that 90ies Tarzan show where Tarzan was always obviously freshly shaved, despite being a half-wild man of the jungle. Realizing that it's not that way is a bit of a cultural shock.

Regardless. Compare anything with nudity created in 60ies and 70ies with anything with nudity made in last few decades, and the difference in what is considered pretty is like it's from two different worlds. Personally, I blame Raegan.

Edit: Oh and I missed the thongs comment... they're just... awful, awful. "More nudity > less nudity" is not always true, specially when it's framed by a ridiculous, instantly unsexy getup. I can only understand their value in hiding panty lines under certain kind of clothes, but even that's an 'if'. They just look so... undignified, to say the least.I blame Raegan for thongs too.

robotthepirate wrote:But like Cuddly says, mostly this is girl/girl pressure, most men aren't bothered.

Heh, actually it was McD who made that point. In my experience, I know a lot of girls who would love to stop shaving if they knew their significant other/potential significant other wouldn't mind it.

I had "The Talk" fairly early on in my relationship with my boyfriend.me: Just so you know, I usually stop shaving my legs around Halloween time.him: Oh...me: Here, see my arms? That's about how my legs get to be looking.him: Oh! That's not so bad. me: Glad to hear it!

(That's one thing I always wondered about, you don't hear often about girls shaving their arms. I know some girls do, but you never see advertisements where the girls are shaving arms instead of legs. Perhaps it's the advertising media trying to cover up the fact that girls have arm hair? The hair on my arms is actually much denser than that on my legs, but it's light enough that it barely shows, just adds a little *sparkle*)

It's pretty easy guys. Hairy=animalistic/rugged/utilitarian=men : smooth=flawless/goddess/frivolity=women. That's how Western culture is set up, and in a lot ways I kinda like it like that. But then I would. I'm a man.

Also, arm hair is less a big deal because arms are less a big deal in the sexual aesthetics men prefer.

Which brings us to this: The "men don't care" thing is a total myth. When they say "you don't need to wear makeup" they're picturing Rashida Jones, not random girl on the street.

Thongs are actually utilitarian in fashion, so if you're wearing pants that conform to your backside, your underwear won't poke through the fabric. That some people enjoy the buttcheek thing is merely an added bonus. Not my cuppa but it takes all kinds.

VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:(That's one thing I always wondered about, you don't hear often about girls shaving their arms. I know some girls do, but you never see advertisements where the girls are shaving arms instead of legs. Perhaps it's the advertising media trying to cover up the fact that girls have arm hair? The hair on my arms is actually much denser than that on my legs, but it's light enough that it barely shows, just adds a little *sparkle*)

I am puzzled by whether men need to shave their armpits.

Which brings us to this: The "men don't care" thing is a total myth. When they say "you don't need to wear makeup" they're picturing Rashida Jones, not random girl on the street.

Well... a good makeup is when you don't know it's there.Of course there are limits to how sloppy you get, but I still think it's exaggerated by the media, where you're used to seeing exclusively perfectly groomed women. God help you if you try to uphold that standard. To me, for instance, it's much more important that eyebrows are fixed than legs. And of course, the more you're gifted to begin with, the less you have to fix up.

Thongs are actually utilitarian in fashion, so if you're wearing pants that conform to your backside, your underwear won't poke through the fabric. That some people enjoy the buttcheek thing is merely an added bonus. Not my cuppa but it takes all kinds.

I would have thought so too but if I didn't find their ubiquitousness oppressive.

McDuffies wrote:I am puzzled by whether men need to shave their armpits.

We have the luxury where it's not expected but some girls/boys like it.

Well... a good makeup is when you don't know it's there.

Eh, yes and no. Sometimes going the nine yards is what you need, say if you go to a wedding or a club or something. But even in that case it shouldn't be screaming MAKEUP.

Of course there are limits to how sloppy you get, but I still think it's exaggerated by the media, where you're used to seeing exclusively perfectly groomed women. God help you if you try to uphold that standard. And of course, the more you're gifted to begin with, the less you have to fix up.

This is almost definitely true, and any boy that spends a lot of time with one particular girl is going to learn what happens behind the scenes.

To me, for instance, it's much more important that eyebrows are fixed than legs.

And I'm the opposite. But they're both problematic in that there's this expectation that women need to keep these things under control.

thong th-thong thong thong

I would have thought so too but if I didn't find their ubiquitousness oppressive.

The boyshort serves largely the same function (and is definitely what you should go with if you are wearing a skirt or dress you are concerned will blow up) and are making waves, at least on this side of the Atlantic. Anyway, I feel like those selling the look of thongs are selling to people who generally don't share my interests.

Yeah, I started a thread about classic cars and Cuddly's comic and it turned into a convo about body hair. Guess it's too late to post a pic about my own classic. But on the bright side, my thread is up to two pages and still growing...

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