No Mass is a Black Mass. The only Black Mass there is comes from the Satanist Church known as the Church Of Satan in which they parody the Catholic Mass by making it Satanic. The Catholic Mass is not entirely unscriptural since there are scriptural parts to the Mass like the readings from the Bible, the Apostles Creed, the Gloria(Prayer to the Holy Trinity), the Lord's Prayer, the words of Jesus from the Last Supper.

Your Catholic Friend wrote:John:It's been clear since the issue of the Protestant WCF 1646 that Catholics are "damned" by following the Antichrist (I.e., the pope), engaging in idolatry (e.g., praying to Mary), etc. However, when and why did Anglicans/Episcopalians join our ranks of the "damned"?

Sir, I don't have any Catholic friends, nor do I consider them to be "in Christ", which is why I cut off your end note. Notwithstanding, as I don't know you, if you are indeed "in Christ" rather than "in Adam", by God's grace, it would behove you to immediately remove yourself from the RCC and ask the Lord where you might worship HIM acceptably.

However, to answer your question, I would estimate from its very inception, seeing as it is a fundamental doctrine of their communion to believe in baptismal regeneration, which doctrine is showing a lack of understanding as to what regeneration is all about, namely, a work of God the Holy Ghost, whereby he brings alive the dead sinner by his word, and enlightens him as to the truth about sin and judgment, such an event producing in the sinner a desire for salvation and submission to Christ, apart from some evangelicals within the ranks, anglicans are damned for sure.

Archbishop of Caterbury wrote:"The Rt Rev Jonathan Gledhill, the Bishop of Lichfield, said worship has become too complicated and time-consuming"The Bishop is absolutely correct here. The Anglican church should cut down on sermons and Bible readings and the doctrines which they teach. It would appeal much more to the Anglican pew fillers if they introduced more contemporary entertainment, music, dance and modern Liberal philosophy.Perhaps it would help more if they got rid of pulpits and the boring old sermons which their bishops and vicars put everyone to sleep with.The Anglican rule today is forget God and entertain the troops so a short service with rousing music and lyrics written for the flesh, might just fill the church and get the congregation rocking and rapturous. What a laugh that would be.

Archbishop Williams:

You're right. Keep sending your best and most conservative congregations to Rome.

"The Rt Rev Jonathan Gledhill, the Bishop of Lichfield, said worship has become too complicated and time-consuming"

The Bishop is absolutely correct here. The Anglican church should cut down on sermons and Bible readings and the doctrines which they teach.

It would appeal much more to the Anglican pew fillers if they introduced more contemporary entertainment, music, dance and modern Liberal philosophy.

Perhaps it would help more if they got rid of pulpits and the boring old sermons which their bishops and vicars put everyone to sleep with.

The Anglican rule today is forget God and entertain the troops so a short service with rousing music and lyrics written for the flesh, might just fill the church and get the congregation rocking and rapturous. What a laugh that would be.

No, it is better that a Mass be in Latin, false theology, should be as little understood as possible. This sermon isn't even by my own pastor, Blasphemy of the Mass, but I would recommend that you fellows listen to it.

Anyway, remember all Masses are Black Masses, no matter what language they are in.

John Yurich USA wrote:I have attended Divine Liturgy in a couple of Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Divine Liturgy lasted 2 hours in duration. When I get married in the Catholic Church I am going to request that the entire Nuptial Mass be sung which will make it last about 2 hours in duration.

Donald Randolph wrote:Wow! A whole 42 minutes.And to think, my church meets twice a week for 5 hours. One hour of praise and four hours of Bible study. Guess we should shorten it up a bit. No way! If God is first in your life, the time goes by quick enough.

I have attended Divine Liturgy in a couple of Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Divine Liturgy lasted 2 hours in duration. When I get married in the Catholic Church I am going to request that the entire Nuptial Mass be sung which will make it last about 2 hours in duration.

But gentlemen consider!"The faith of Anglicans is founded in the scriptures, the traditions of the apostolic church, the apostolic succession â€“ "historic episcopate" and the early Church Fathers...." Anglicanism

'...the State Church, which the great reformers had planted, and which some of them had watered with their blood, presented the spectacle which went far to justify the sarcasm of an eminent writer, that she possessed "A Popish Liturgy, a Calvinistic Creed, and an Arminian Clergy."'

Except for the unusual Anglican Church that may have some interesting interiors and taking pictures of same, any time inside is wasted even five minutes.

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:...the issue is the heart in relationship to God and the worship due to Him must flow from a new heart condition. A heart that is cleansed, made new, and God-centered. True worship will always be a matter of the heart's condition, not the place or form of ceremony, and must be based on God's Word....

Wow! A whole 42 minutes.And to think, my church meets twice a week for 5 hours. One hour of praise and four hours of Bible study. Guess we should shorten it up a bit. No way! If God is first in your life, the time goes by quick enough.