tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3734519681973181523..comments2015-03-31T17:37:44.192-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Obama Punks the GOP on Contraception."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68325622237465903222012-02-11T20:53:14.682-06:002012-02-11T20:53:14.682-06:00On the other hand, as we pursue an effort to rever...On the other hand, as we pursue an effort to reverse the normalization of abortion, before we are successful, we may be unable to avoid sharing responsibility for a couple&#39;s action. It&#39;s unfortunate, and when involuntary, it does contribute to progressive corruption; but, such is the burden we carry when we desire to preserve our most fundamental principles.<br /><br />Let&#39;s hope that men and women are capable of self-moderating behavior; otherwise, we will invariably enjoy a progressively diminished liberty.n.nhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20162849777887597252012-02-11T20:14:22.074-06:002012-02-11T20:14:22.074-06:00To honor this month when America remembers slavery...To honor this month when America remembers slavery, let&#39;s all reject our dreams of physical instant gratification conducted through involuntary exploitation (e.g. taxation), which when progressive constitutes half of that enterprise&#39;s foundation.<br /><br />If people want to participate in a private plan which offers coverage for dreams of instant gratification, well, that is their right to engage in voluntary exploitation. However, when the authority granted to individuals to provide oversight of our affairs is abused, then not only are we subject to involuntary exploitation, but when it is progressive, there is also the attendant progressive corruption to cope with.<br /><br />People are literally voting for &quot;sexual relations&quot; without consent. The lessons of history have escaped our notice.n.nhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30886677502146153502012-02-11T19:46:53.599-06:002012-02-11T19:46:53.599-06:00I&#39;m Catholic. I practice NFP. And a female of...I&#39;m Catholic. I practice NFP. And a female of childbearing age. Yes, it works. It&#39;s very scientific, and I know as a woman a lot about my body I wish I knew when I was middle school. <br /><br />I&#39;m happy with the Catholic Church, and the best thing about NFP is that it is free, and the pharmaceutical companies can&#39;t profit from oppressing my ovaries. It the government want the insurance companies to save money they would be promoting NFP.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03852754398007790428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60928852547757120142012-02-11T19:23:07.418-06:002012-02-11T19:23:07.418-06:00OK, it can&#39;t be avoided anymore.
(I said I wa...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">OK, it can&#39;t be avoided anymore.</a><br /><br />(I said I was a <i>former</i> Catholic.)Phil 3:14http://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49223193691499619152012-02-11T19:21:37.049-06:002012-02-11T19:21:37.049-06:00I&#39;m going to introduce a bill that forces libe...I&#39;m going to introduce a bill that forces liberals to pay for everyone&#39;s handgun, registration fees and safety training.<br /><br />School programs too. If rolling condoms on a bannana &quot;saves lives&quot;, then so does mandatory firearm safety training.Fenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64602986528356963892012-02-11T19:18:54.018-06:002012-02-11T19:18:54.018-06:00I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no female...<i>I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no females of childbearing age participating in this or any other Athouse thread.</i><br /><br />Love this fallacy. Not only are men not qualified to discuss &quot;women&#39;s reproductive health&quot;, neither are women beyond child-bearing age...Fenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14807887565145766202012-02-11T19:13:56.766-06:002012-02-11T19:13:56.766-06:00First, a nice review of the coverage from GetRelig...First, <a href="http://www.getreligion.org/2012/02/frame-game-birth-control-vs-religious-liberty-again" rel="nofollow">a nice review of the coverage from GetReligion</a><br /><br />Andy and Amanda just don&#39;t understand, its not about politics and Republicans vs Democrats. Do you think Tim Kaine or Mark Shields would said anything negative if it was just about politics.<br /><br />Now, I&#39;m not Catholic (was raised Catholic) and I definitely believe in the value of birth control, but the policy from the get go just felt disdainful of any religious concerns. That tone deafeness will give moderate voters pause this fall as they enter the voting booth.Phil 3:14http://www.blogger.com/profile/04133300763922742206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51351939917297984272012-02-11T17:49:04.489-06:002012-02-11T17:49:04.489-06:00&quot;Sorry Synova-thought you were older.&quot;
...&quot;<i>Sorry Synova-thought you were older.</i>&quot;<br /><br />I am older.<br /><br />I&#39;m 47.<br /><br />But my not being in &quot;childbearing years&quot; is still a matter of deliberately and actively thwarting biology.Synovahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34235742318243612562012-02-11T17:47:48.143-06:002012-02-11T17:47:48.143-06:00Master Cyl: I have a sneaky suspicion that there a...Master Cyl: <i>I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no females of childbearing age participating in this or any other Athouse thread.</i><br /><br />Well, you&#39;re wrong. I&#39;m 32, and I know that Freeman Hunt and Shanna, amoung others, are my same age. FH&#39;s pregnant now, BTW. And we&#39;re all capable of acquiring birth control without the help of the gov&#39;t. I had insurance that didn&#39;t cover BC for the first several years of my marriage, yet I never once went without, even when I was waiting tables in college. <br /><br />Please stop insulting my and other females&#39; abilities to provide for ourselves.Lyssahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12324631552709270910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41684422850907161672012-02-11T17:31:49.207-06:002012-02-11T17:31:49.207-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Beldarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13404583858244777905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81392200718897935582012-02-11T17:29:35.328-06:002012-02-11T17:29:35.328-06:00Obama&#39;s Razor - never attribute to genius or e...<i>Obama&#39;s Razor - never attribute to genius or even low cunning what can be just as easily be explained by stupidity and vanity.</i><br /><br />Sorry, I&#39;m stealing it!!madAsHellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01149940549262340795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38475054724259630242012-02-11T17:21:26.139-06:002012-02-11T17:21:26.139-06:00I had conventional group insurance through my then...I had conventional group insurance through my then-employer when I got my vasectomy. I was surprised to learn it was covered. &quot;What&#39;s the diagnostic code for this procedure?&quot; I asked the insurance clerk at the urologist&#39;s office. She gave me a number and the accompanying diagnosis: &quot;Acute Fecundity Anxiety.&quot;<br /><br />I thought about that for a second and then asked her about it. She stared at me blankly; these were just words to her that she wrote by rote in this situation, she didn&#39;t know what they meant. So I asked the urologist.<br /><br />&quot;Oh, yeah, that literally means you&#39;re very worried about fathering a child,&quot; he confirmed. &quot;It makes economic sense for your group to pay for that, because even if your future fathering is unplanned, it&#39;s likely to result in a new group member who&#39;s not bringing in much or any additional premiums, but who&#39;s getting lots of ear infections and well-child checkups and broken collarbones and such. This little &#39;snip-snip&#39; costs them almost nothing.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Besides,&quot; said my urologist, &quot;since you&#39;re a lawyer, I&#39;d do your vasectomy for free even if the insurance company wouldn&#39;t pay.&quot;Beldarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13404583858244777905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5530228336518343482012-02-11T17:06:04.851-06:002012-02-11T17:06:04.851-06:00Sorry Synova-thought you were older.Sorry Synova-thought you were older.master cylinderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16774386180547555780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27252000502879808792012-02-11T16:58:32.909-06:002012-02-11T16:58:32.909-06:00&quot;I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no ...&quot;<i>I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no females of childbearing age participating in this or any other Athouse thread.</i>&quot;<br /><br />I&#39;m physically/biologically capable of becoming pregnant. Since I want to have sex and don&#39;t want more children, I have taken responsibility for my choice.<br /><br />Freeman has little babies, so it seems safe to say she is as well.<br /><br />&quot;<i>Why would any of you [men and ladies over 45] advocate for womens reproductive rights?</i>&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Women&#39;s reproductive rights&quot; is one of those code phrases that means something else. No one is advocating for taking away women&#39;s (or men&#39;s) right to make their own decisions about reproducing or not. Since no one is doing that, &quot;women&#39;s reproductive rights&quot; must mean something else.<br /><br />&quot;<i>Maybe because it would reduce the numbers of abortions?</i>&quot;<br /><br />Assuming from context and implication that &quot;women&#39;s reproductive rights&quot; means something closer to &quot;free contraceptives paid for by someone else involuntarily and possibly against their firm conviction&quot;... what support do you have for the assertion that this would reduce the numbers of abortions or ever has?<br /><br />I do understand that it seems logical enough... provide birth control and there won&#39;t need to be abortions. But logic doesn&#39;t trump reality. When logic falls to reality, it can&#39;t be forced by just doing what *ought* to have worked only doing it more.<br /><br />&quot;<i>Does that make too much sense?</i>&quot;Synovahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68380221827751115512012-02-11T16:49:39.983-06:002012-02-11T16:49:39.983-06:00Contraception?
$10 at WalMart.
Get. A. Life.Contraception?<br /><br />$10 at WalMart.<br /><br />Get. A. Life.JALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15503869597362866878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34496230280412968222012-02-11T16:49:01.551-06:002012-02-11T16:49:01.551-06:00Marcotte is wrong.
It&#39;s not about abortion, c...Marcotte is wrong.<br /><br />It&#39;s not about abortion, contraception or how smart Obama is (man am I so sick of that -- gag).<br /><br />It&#39;s about the Bill of Rights and how this administration acts like they are all from Indonesia or something and have ever heard of the thing. <br /><br />Nasty scrap of paper that ruins *everything.* [stamp stamp]JALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15503869597362866878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33858219980321536462012-02-11T15:55:15.748-06:002012-02-11T15:55:15.748-06:00@mastercylinder--I happen to know lots of women of...@mastercylinder--I happen to know lots of women of childbearing age, and every single one of them is able to acquire contraceptive devices all by their little selves.<br /><br />It must amaze you to hear this, since apparently you know no people who aren&#39;t complete idiots.Chip S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13210586187250159751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89921525419023575872012-02-11T15:53:37.640-06:002012-02-11T15:53:37.640-06:00&quot;versus &quot;Obama wants to use the state to...<i>&quot;versus &quot;Obama wants to use the state to take away religious freedom.&quot;<br /><br />In the end probably a wash.</i><br /><br />Disagree. The people stupid enough to believe &quot;Republicans want to take away your contraception&quot; were going to vote for Obama anyway.<br /><br />But the &quot;Obama wants to use the state to take away religious freedom&quot; crowd now include Catholic Dems. <br /><br />Mnay of the ones I know are now taking a second look at Obama. This may not be the straw that breaks the camel&#39;s back, but its certianly the straw before that.Fenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30214345257848778872012-02-11T15:48:55.584-06:002012-02-11T15:48:55.584-06:00Synova: also think it&#39;s telling that the true...Synova: <i> also think it&#39;s telling that the true, anti-woman, motivation is &quot;thinly disguised&quot; as concerns for religious freedom. If anyone were to actually admit that the Other is honest about their religious faith, honest about their adherence to the 1st Amendment freedom of religion even when they don&#39;t hold faith themselves, and honest about believing that a fetus is human and deserving of protection... if they admitted those things they&#39;d have to admit that their opponents are decent people who disagree with them. <br /><br />Much, much better to explain it as &quot;thinly disguised&quot; hatred of women.</i><br /><br />This.<br /><br />If I had a nickel for every otherwise intelligent feminist who misrepresened honest disagreement with hatred.Fenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66621966921170425352012-02-11T15:37:45.360-06:002012-02-11T15:37:45.360-06:00I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no female...I have a sneaky suspicion that there are no females of childbearing age participating in this or any other Athouse thread. Why would any of you [men and ladies over 45] advocate for womens reproductive rights? Maybe because it would reduce the numbers of abortions? Does that make too much sense?master cylinderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16774386180547555780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32608911236265569402012-02-11T14:31:52.131-06:002012-02-11T14:31:52.131-06:00Money is fungible. The religious employers will s...Money is fungible. The religious employers will still be paying for it because nothing is &quot;free.&quot; They will be forced to subsidize it with their dues and it will still be just as morally abhorrent.<br /><br />Everyone likes to rationalize Obama&#39;s serial idiocies as great strokes of genius but it is pretty clear he just stumbles from one disaster to the next with no thought at all as to the consequences of what he is doing. He figures he can just issue another edict with absolutely no legal basis or authorization from Congress and clean things up as he goes along. It is madness.<br /><br />Whenever examining anything he does you need to remember Obama&#39;s Razor - never attribute to genius or even low cunning what can be just as easily be explained by stupidity and vanity.<br /><br />That is to say were Obama extraordinarily stupid with absolutely no understanding of the Constitution or economics he would have done nothing differently here than what he did given his massive ego and desire to control every single thing that every single individual in the US does.<br /><br />As an atheist all I can say is, for the love of God, please stop making excuses for this idiot! Every time someone lauds Obama&#39;s most recent master stroke I feel dumber for having listened to them. And frankly I am embarrassed for the people who fall for this sort of after the fact rationalization. <br /><br />Let&#39;s state what happened plainly. Obama was forced to roll back his wholly unconstitutional plan to make religious institutions accessories to what they believe to be murder (at least in the case of morning after pills). But he did it in a way that provides no real compromise and assures he still has to wage war with the Catholic Church.<br /><br />This is nuclear grade stupidity.georgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11402720592452236525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73215184129584848152012-02-11T14:11:29.697-06:002012-02-11T14:11:29.697-06:00&quot;I would remind you that extremism in the def...&quot;I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!&quot; ~ Barry Goldwater<br /><br />&quot;<i>Again, Goldwater received 38.5% in 1964. &#39;nuf said!</i>&quot;<br /><br />So an appeal to popularity isn&#39;t a logical fallacy, it&#39;s a slam dunk?Synovahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73821854080490723152012-02-11T13:30:41.283-06:002012-02-11T13:30:41.283-06:00Marcotte is partly right here: I think Obama had t...Marcotte is partly right here: I think Obama had this backup plan in his pocket all along.<br /><br />If his first proposal met much objection he would bring this option up. <br /><br />Now, whether politically or electorally he benefits remains to be seen. I think, in the end, it probably energizes both sides&#39; base a bit as they can play off their respective points. I.e., &quot;Republicans want to take away your contraception&quot; versus &quot;Obama wants to use the state to take away religious freedom.&quot;<br /><br />In the end probably a wash.<br /><br />But I&#39;m sure Obama had this ready if he faced resistance.SMGalbraithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01728237625873443198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35114345327072387602012-02-11T13:07:12.718-06:002012-02-11T13:07:12.718-06:00Nathan Alexander has spelled it out clearly enough...Nathan Alexander has spelled it out clearly enough for anyone with more brains than Amanda Marcotte to understand.Chip S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13210586187250159751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80692784287451047712012-02-11T12:36:22.760-06:002012-02-11T12:36:22.760-06:00Over at least four decades, Americans have been tr...Over at least four decades, Americans have been trained to believe that if something isn&#39;t covered under their medical insurance, it means they &quot;cannot get it&quot;.<br /><br />It&#39;s precisely because of this twisting of fact, that for the vast majority of people, this discussion is now about &quot;not getting contraception&quot;.<br /><br />But hey, what&#39;s a little mind fuck among friends.Pennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.com