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Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

not to mention the article posted in most definately NOT a LOTR troll

An ogre is a good start, but through in some damage reduction and the turning to stone in the sunlight. Borimir damaged his sword hitting the troll, but Frodo managed to put sting in his foot. I may be wrong, but that is what I have always seen as a source for dammage reduction x/+y. or it could just be nasty armor, but I like damage reduction. An ogre should be plenty strong and stupid though.

Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

Not to mention the trolls that were at Pellenor Fields, which didn't turn to stone either. It's been too long since I read the books to actually consider myself an authority, but I consider the movie to be a OK resource in terms of not being completely retarded and untrue to the books and the trolls in the films didn't turn to stone except in The Hobbit. Those trolls could also speak coherently and do other things the cave troll did not do, so they don't necessarily have to be the same thing.

Personally, I think it would be more of a mess than it's worth. Just about any troll would probably be Large size and have a mess of either LA or racial Hit Dice, either of which will likely just set you back behind a party. You'll probably be limited to a min-maxing Hulking War Hurler build (that is, Hulking Hurler and War Hulk) for high Strength and zero brains. Other than that, there aren't many things to do that you couldn't do just as well or better with a basic race.

As a last side note, you shouldn't let that particular Wiki dissuade you from using them as a particular resource. They can be helpful if you know what you're looking for. With that one, you may just be wading through crap to get there.

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Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

Originally Posted by Cidolfas

Not to mention the trolls that were at Pellenor Fields, which didn't turn to stone either. It's been too long since I read the books to actually consider myself an authority, but I consider the movie to be a OK resource in terms of not being completely retarded and untrue to the books and the trolls in the films didn't turn to stone except in The Hobbit. Those trolls could also speak coherently and do other things the cave troll did not do, so they don't necessarily have to be the same thing.

I'm pretty sure that outside of the cave troll in Fellowship, all the other trolls we see in the film trilogy are olog-hai, who aren't adversely affected by sunlight, much like uruk-hai don't suffer from typical orcish discomfort in sunlight.

Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

Originally Posted by Edge

I'm pretty sure that outside of the cave troll in Fellowship, all the other trolls we see in the film trilogy are olog-hai, who aren't adversely affected by sunlight, much like uruk-hai don't suffer from typical orcish discomfort in sunlight.

The trolls who wielded the battering ram at Minas Tirith were Mountain-Trolls, not Olog-hai. Olog-hai were the massive dark trolls in black armor.

Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

Originally Posted by Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll

No, pretty certain that they still have sunlight issues, just they sent forth darkness ahead of them, to shield them from the light.

The movie and most of the illustrations I've seen of the battle had the sky as being at worst overcast. Now whether direct sunlight is required to turn a troll to stone is another question. I guess if Frost-Trolls got more attention we'd know since frigid environs can have a penchant for overcast/cloudy weather.

Re: Lord of the Rings Cave Troll.

Originally Posted by Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll

No, pretty certain that they still have sunlight issues, just they sent forth darkness ahead of them, to shield them from the light.

The movie and most of the illustrations I've seen of the battle had the sky as being at worst overcast. Now whether direct sunlight is required to turn a troll to stone is another question. I guess if Frost-Trolls got more attention we'd know since frigid environs can have a penchant for overcast/cloudy weather.