This is exactly what I was hoping he'd do. Take the default off the table and set it on the back burner. Hold the line on a year delay of the mandate. Keep twisting that arm until it either falls off, or Obama gives in.

Okay, so now Obama got what he wanted in sorts. The debt ceiling is off the table and he will get his way.

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All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.

Partially caved. Actually if I understand the details, they pretty much called Obama's bluff based on what Obama has said the last couple days.

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All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.

I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.

I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.

Obamacare is off the table outside of possibly repealing the medical device tax and other things like that. There will be no year delay of the mandate

I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.

Obamacare can't be taken off the table because its never been on the table. Its still not. How do you not get this?

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Obamacare can't be taken off the table because its never been on the table. Its still not. How do you not get this?

Screw that noise. It's on the table and will continue to be on the table until the people get the same deference that Obama gave to his buddies in big business. If a year delay in the mandate is good enough for Obama's donors, it's good enough for the rest of us.

Boehner's maneuver here is all about keeping Obamacare on the table. He's compromising, and now it's the President's turn to give a little. A year delay on a program that he's already granted delays on shouldn't be out of the question.