Senator Flake - Would You Kindly Zip it & Vote for Neomi Rao and the rest?

Does Jeff Flake, the departing senator from Arizona have any proof of Russia-Trump team collusion? Or is he being a stickler about Senate oversight? Or does he just really not like Trump or his administration, or their policies especially on immigration?

Senator Flake's move in the Senate - threatening to hold up judicial appointments unless the Senate votes on a bill he's co-sponsored to give Robert Mueller the chance to appeal to a 3-judge panel should President Trump have him removed as special counsel - has gotten headlines and has allowed the senator to play up his Never-Trumpism as his DC curtain call, if you will.

So what's more important Jeff Flake? The shape and outlook of the judiciary over the coming years, or an investigation that seems to have been started by an opposition research firm hired by the Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump? Flake's words:

The president now has this investigation in his sights, and we all know it. Why?! Why do we do this?! To protect a man seemingly who is so incurious about what Russia did during the 2016 elections? Why do we do that? Do we have no more institutional pride here?!

Seems to miss - deliberately of course - the point that one of the Senate's main institutional functions is its advice and consent role with regards judicial appointments. It must be a real source of pride for Mitch McConnell that he has managed to bring two conservative Justices to SCOTUS's benches as well as a number of lower-court and district judges.

So Flake's holding up these appointments for the sake of what seems to be a dead-letter investigation is disappointing but hardly surprising.

But there's another issue lurking behind the scenes as well, one that Flake may or may not have an opinion on, even though one gets the feeling that Flake is as vindictive as the president but better at hiding it in classic DC pol style.

That other issue is the administrative state. As James Hohmann (from a critical viewpoint of course) in the WaPo's Daily 202 points out, one of the judicial appointments to the DC Circuit is Neomi Rao, who is currently administrator of The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs - an office under the OMB that is in charge of implementing policy and regulations for the executive. That's a key role that bridges the White House with the administrative state - which the President is basically at war with, both on policy issues and on the issue of how much power is concentrated in the hands of the regulation-making and enforcing bureaucracy.

As Hohmann puts it:

As a top official at OMB, Rao is a leading architect of Trump's effort to consolidate power at the White House, deconstruct the administrative state and reduce the independence of rulemaking agencies to make them more beholden to the president.

Uh, not quite Jim. Aside from the hypocrisy of cheering Obama's pen-and-phone executive style and jeering Trump for using similar tactics, the point of curtailing the administrative state is to bring government to a more accountable and transparent place where Congress, the Judiciary (real judges rather than quasi-judicial administrative processes in other words), and the Executive are in a balance closer to the wording of the constitution.

So the idea is to curtail them and reduce their scope of influence over voter's daily lives. Might President Trump be tempted to use these rules and regulations against his opponents in a similar way it appears the intelligence community used them against him? Of course he may. But the more important principle is that the administrative state has to be pruned and curtailed. Anything else would not change much at all, and leave it free to continue its sprawling growth.

That's a good enough reason for Senator Flake to shut up and vote in judges like Neomi Rao.

Is this article supposed to be ironic, or just stupid? You’ve fallen all the way through the sewer and into the sewage treatment plant with this one.

Cocaine Mitch is getting paid to confirm judges, and Kennedy was probably paid to retire. The reich wing is so crooked they’re all going to need a huge corkscrew to get buried.

Flake has voted with the reich wing on almost all issues, but he’s a traitor if he doesn’t follow the leader in all things.

As for russia, please. Tramp showed his love for Putain again in Paris. “Russia, if you’re listening..” really happened. That’s espionage and treason. If any liberal had done that, the reich wing would be calling for impeachment, removal, and assassination.

Sen Jeff Flake said: The president now has this [Mueller] investigation in his sights, and we all know it. Why?! Why do we do this?! To protect a man seemingly who is so incurious about what Russia did during the 2016 elections? Why do we do that? Do we have no more institutional pride here?!

You would think that someone by the name of “Flake” would try to not act like a “flake” (i.e. by now refusing to vote on judicial nominees until Senate votes on bill protecting the Mueller investigation)? Trump isn’t going to fire Mueller now, because the longer (about 2 years so far) that investigation goes on without finding “Collusion between Trump and Russia”, the more foolish that Mueller, the investigation, and Democrats appear.

The hypocrisy of Democrats (and others on the left) wanting Trump’s income tax returns is that the IRS already knows ALL about Trump’s income tax returns. What violations does anyone hope to find that the IRS does not already know about? After all, the IRS has audited Trump every year for the last 16 years.

Keely, Ohrealy must actually love your column, because Ohrealy is almost always the first to post on your columns, and posts on your column the most, despite denigrating the column. Must be a love-hate thing?

Unfortunately, when Ohrealy posts, it doesn’t seem to make any sense:

[01]Ohrealy wrote (re: open borders): You are really waving a red flag in front of me by mentioning Texas. I am in favor of moving the [Texas/Mexico] border from the Rio Grande back to the Nueces, at least, where it belongs. The northern part that came from the Louisiana Purchase should really belong to Oklahoma.

[02]Ohrealy wrote: I certainly think it would be better if Texas was still part of Mexico. We should trade it for Baja California.

[03]Ohrealy wrote: Oh, and West Texas could just be one large penal colony, to house all the people that we want to put in jail, about 5 million if some folks get their way (Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 11:16 PM)

[04]Ohrealy wrote:I keep track of everything I write, and you evidently do not, …

[05]Ohrealy wrote: … threads were flooded with long nonsensical posts by Sicilian eagle, d.a.n., and joebagodonuts. I don’t come into here to read that crap. When people respond to it, they just get more of the same.

[06]Ohrealy wrote: And let’s move the capital from Washington DC, to Nauvoo, Illinois. The rest of D.C. should become a museum district, and be part of Maryland.

[07]Ohrealy wrote (about illegal immigration): Why don’t you lazy people in Texas quit griping and actually do something useful about it, if you’re not satisfied with what the Federal government is doing.

[08]Ohrealy wrote: I’m sure Mueller will attempt to get Dumpty [Trump] to resign.

[09]Ohrealy wrote: Now the inauguration is being looked into, a slush fund never accounted, and plenty of Russians in attendance, including Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin from the Trump Tower meeting, supporting the candidate they helped.

[10]Ohrealy wrote: They’re not going to deport the people they need, just the ones who’ve gotten educations that they don’t need.

[11]Ohrealy wrote: I never trust a right winger or believe anything they say, whether a troll on a website or a justice on the SCOTUS. They have an agenda, trying to keep a minority in control of a country where most people disagree with their agenda.

[12]Ohrealy wrote: Most significantly, the rest of the world is now looking for an alternative currency to the dollar. This is only really happening because of lack of confidence in the current US government. [Not true. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency#Global_currency_reserves ; the U.$.D Dollar accounts for about 63% of world reserve currencies; the EURO accounts for 20%, and then all the rest around the world accounts for the remaining 17% (combined); the U.S. Dollar has never fallen below 61% over the last 15 years; the Chinese Renminbi accounts for 1.23% as of 2017];

[13]Ohrealy wrote: If you see AOC [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] as bad, that bad is in your head, and you should figure out how that got into your head, and who put it there.

[14]Ohrealy wrote:Tramp [Trump] is a stochastic terrorist. Wray should go to the White House and arrest him [Trump] immediately.

[15]Ohrealy wrote: You’re going to have to resort to the dog whistles like the last reich wing author here had to do to gin up the tin foil hat people.

[16]Ohrealy wrote:Mass murdering reich wingers like the Kentucky Kroger Killer [nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/white-supremacist-shooting-in-louisville-kentucky-kroger.html] and that Soros hating Nazi in Pittsburg aren’t dirt. That would be an insult to dirt.

[17]Ohrealy wrote: I agree that the Tramp [Trump] should cut out his callous fascist, sexist, racist rage and shouting or serve two years in the tanning bed.

[18]Ohrealy wrote (March 28, 2008 08:18 PM Comment #249452): Doctors want single payer to help them get paid. It will not directly affect the care that their patients get, just accounting expenses.

[19]Ohrealy wrote: Take your memory pill, as well as the other ones, paranoid jackass, we have already had this conversation before.

[20]Ohrealy wrote: Tramp is already giving up on the presidency. He’ll be gone soon. Pence is going to be filling in for him at international meetings.

[21]Ohrealy wrote:Is this article supposed to be ironic, or just stupid? You’ve fallen all the way through the sewer and into the sewage treatment plant with this one.

[22]Ohrealy wrote: Cocaine Mitch is getting paid to confirm judges, and Kennedy was probably paid to retire. The reich wing is so crooked they’re all going to need a huge corkscrew to get buried.

[23]Ohrealy wrote:As for russia, please. Tramp [Trump] showed his love for Putain again in Paris. “Russia, if you’re listening..” really happened. That’s espionage and treason. If any liberal had done that, the reich wing would be calling for impeachment, removal, and assassination.

[24]Ohrealy wrote:Why are you bothering to put articles up on this website? You will never get another reader here that has not participated in this site when it was a much better forum. Anyone who participated then would be disgusted by the content now. You might get additional readers if you changed the name to pinocchioblog, or moronidiotimbecileblog, or tinfoilhatblog.

[25]Ohrealy wrote: The main question for this election is the same as it has been in every election in this century, how much is the reich wing going to cheat and are they going to get away with it?

[26]Ohrealy wrote: Philipino-Italian American and fake Seminole Sayoc was a roadie for Chippendales.

[27]Ohrealy wrote:Another F rated article on a D rated website. You’re going to have to resort to the dog whistles like the last reich wing author here had to do to gin up the tin foil hat people.

[28]Ohrealy wrote:700 F rated articles from this “author” at this D rated website.

[29]Ohrealy wrote: On the conclusion to your stupid article, why isn’t tramp [Trump] building a wall between Mexico and Guatemala? The caravan started as a relatively small group of refugees, then became much larger when Tramp [Trump] gave them all that publicity. It’s like he needs this caravan to get as big as possible for some reason.

[30]Ohrealy wrote:What a stupid article. Globalism is a corporate policy that the right wing loves, in spite of Steve Bannon’s efforts.

[31]Ohrealy wrote: The house may be the one owned by Mark Judge’s grandmother. When Rachel Miller began questioning Brat [Brett Kavanaugh] about that date in his calendar, Lindsay Graham began pitching his hissy fit to stop Rachel Miller’s questioning. He knows Brat [Brett Kavanaugh] is a rapist, and wants him on the SCOTUS. Scum of the earth.

[32]Ohrealy wrote:The right wing party are The American Psycho Party. They did it to themselves. Brat Kava Nought [Brett Kavanaugh] did it to himself. The incels [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel] love rapists. All the filth, including Georgetown Prep, should be sued and prosecuted. Julie Swetnick: www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/users/user20/declaration_3.jpg

There is a good chance today, Friday, will end with indictments. However, Trump is supposedly finishing his written answers to turn in to the Mueller probe. These questions are supposedly only about collusion (the legal term: conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and election laws. It could also include FARA violations and related crimes). The Mueller team may wait for written answers. Then again, this may be yet another attempt by Trump to stall, and he is just dangling the possibility of oral or written testimony to delay indictments.

Barely noticed- another Russian was indicted for interfering with 2016 AND 2018 campaign.

Also barely noticed- an indictment for Assange at Wikileaks was accidentally unsealed.

Also also barely noticed- yesterday Michael Cohen took a train to visit the Mueller team for another interview. And the scheduling for sentencing for another felon clearly states there is more than one investigation.

Also also also barely noticed- there are sealed vs sealed indictments flying back and forth at the DC Court of Appeals. One side of the ‘sealed’ is known to be the Mueller team. Their lawyers made the filings. The other side- possibly the president- seems to have lost.

Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, and Donald Trump Jr. all have said they expect to be indicted. It appears one of Stone’s associates, Randy Credico, sang like a canary during his testimony, leaving Stone and Corsi up the proverbial creek.

If I am not mistaken phx8, I stopped paying attention to your “sky-is-finally-falling” nonsense regarding the president months ago. Please do give us updates however when something real happens that we miss.

Also barely noticed- an indictment for Assange at Wikileaks was accidentally unsealed. Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 3:57 PM

Also barely noticed, Theresa May is on the way out, having lost the support of the DUP. Talking with Brits yesterday, they’re pretty pissed about the amount of money that they’ve spent on protecting Assange in his room in the Ecuadorian apartment in Knightsbridge. Assange tried to escape to russia, but is more likely to be extradited to Sweden. Sweden may not want to send him to the US if they’re not sure of what the US government will actually do. The Ecuadorians are tired of Assange, and his little cat too.

Tramp:
I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks

RF,
Did you see any election predictions better than mine? A lot of people were unwilling to try. The only one on WB (that I saw) was by Roy Ellis predicting the GOP would keep the House. Rush Limbaugh also predicted the GOP would keep the House too. Now THAT was a crappy prediction.

The House will include 96 women. 83 are Democrats. The incoming GOP Freshman include 1 new woman (and two others waiting for races to be decided. I think one of those lost). The Democrats are incredibly diverse, including blacks, Muslims, and LGBT, representing the make-up of America. The Republicans? Eh, not so much. Just white identity politics as usual.

Gotta go, but I will get around to posting just how much I admire AOL.

Also also also barely noticed- there are sealed vs sealed indictments flying back and forth at the DC Court of Appeals. One side of the ‘sealed’ is known to be the Mueller team. Their lawyers made the filings. The other side- possibly the president- seems to have lost. Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 3:57 PM

There are dozens of sealed criminal indictments on the DC docket. Mueller probably did this in advance of whatever Sasquatch loving time travel believing big toilet fraudster Whitaker will attempt to do. He’s an idiot. Mueller is not. I wonder who outsmarted whom.

That is certainly true phx8 if one only considers physical appearance.

I am proud that the Republican members of congress are diverse in their thinking and actions. Each Republican in the House believes in representing the people in their district; not just those who look like them.

I do not subscribe to your thinking phx8, that only women can represent women; that only blacks can represent blacks; and so on. The best representative are those who do their best to help all people in their district.

The Republican representatives in the House, unlike the Democrats, are never accused of marching in lockstep. We have diversity of thinking. The Democrats have diversity in appearance.

RF,
“I do not subscribe to your thinking phx8, that only women can represent women; that only blacks can represent blacks; and so on.”

And I do not subscribe to your thinking that only white men can represent women; that only white men can represent blacks; and so on.

The GOP resulted to the unfavorable demographic squeeze of the past decades by rejecting the change, and doubling down on its dwindling base of ageing white, rural males with high school education or less. It is turning the GOP into a minority party which depends on obtaining power by suppressing votes and appealing to the worst in Americans, to racism and bigotry and misogyny.

Another reason the GOP continues shrinking is the fact that it is a party of ideology, unlike the Democrats, who are a coalition party. The idea that Republicans have “diversity of thinking” is laughable.

and many other historic abuses heaped on black Americans in the U.S. by the Democratic Party and its supporters, the political party responsible for all of that racism is now the one constantly shouting:

“You’re a Racist!, Bigot!, Fascist!, Nazi!”

… and (despicably) pitting differentt racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).
For many Democrats, it is par for the course.
Since the founding of the Democratic Party, it has always tried to generate racial strife.
Unfortunately for Democrats, the race card just doesn’t work as well as it did in the past, because Democrats have over-used it, and abused it, and many people are getting sick of it (source: newrepublic.com/minutes/144925/democrats-losing-loyal-voters-black-women).

For example, consider the following statement by phx8 …

phx8 wrote: if Tucker Carlson wants to spread hatred and white nationalism on FOX, he should expect consequences.

phx8still has not provided any evidence of (exactly) what Tucker Carlson ever said that was racist?

Black Republicans throughout U.S. History that worked in a direct, professional capacity in politics:

Dinah Abrahamson (1954–2013), Author, Republican member of the Nebraska State Central Committee

Archie Alexander (1888–1958), governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands

Walter G. Alexander (1880–1953), first African-American to serve in the New Jersey Legislature

Aris T. Allen (1910–1991), chair of the Maryland Republican Party

Claude Allen (b. 1960), White House Domestic Policy Advisor

Ethel D. Allen (1929–1981), Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, first African-American elected to Philadelphia City Council

Richard Allen (1830–1909), member of the Texas House of Representatives

James W. Ames (1864–1944), representative in the Michigan House of Representatives

Renee Amoore (b. 1953), health care advocate & founder and president of The Amoore Group, Inc.; former candidate for Republican National Committee Co-Chairwoman

John D. Anthony (b. 1976), member of the Illinois House of Representatives from the 75th district, (2013–2016)

Caesar Antoine (1836–1921), 13th Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana

Robin Armstrong (b. 1969), vice chairman of the Republican Party of Texas (2006–2010)

Alexander Asberry (1861–1903), member of the Texas House of Representatives

Anna Simms Banks (1862–1923), first female delegate at the Kentucky’s 7th congressional district Convention in Kentucky

Martin G. Barnes (1948–2012), Mayor of Paterson, New Jersey

Houston A.P. Bassett (1857–1920), member of the Texas House of Representatives

Andrea Barthwell (b. 1953/1954), former Deputy Director for Demand Reduction at the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Thomas Beck (1819–?), member of the Texas House of Representatives

Ashley Bell, National Director of African American Engagement Office and the Director of the Small Business Administration’s Southeast Region[1]

Donald Blakey (b. 1936), member of the Delaware House of Representatives

Edward David Bland (1848-1927), member of the Virginia House of Delegates

Kirt Bennett (1967–2010), political activist in Louisiana

Michelle Bernard (b. 1963), journalist, author, columnist
Lynette Boggs (b. 1963), Las Vegas City Councilwoman, former Clark County, NV commissioner, former candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives

Claude M. Bolton, Jr. (1945–2015), United States Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology (2002–2008)

Peter Boulware (b. 1974), NFL linebacker and Republican candidate for the Florida House of Representatives, District 9.

Neal E. Boyd (1975-2018), opera singer and former candidate for the Missouri House of Representatives

Jennette Bradley (b. 1952), Treasurer of the State of Ohio

Randy Brock (b. 1943), State Auditor of Vermont, State Senator of Vermont

Samuel B. Fuller, founder and president of the Fuller Products Company, publisher of the New York Age and Pittsburgh Courier, head of the South Side Chicago NAACP, president of the National Negro Business League, and a prominent black Republican

Virginia Fuller, 2010 and 2012 Congressional Candidate

Walt Furnace (b. 1943), member of the Alaska House of Representatives 1983–1991[11][12]

Matthew Gaines, community leader, minister, and Republican Texas State Senator.

James Garner, mayor of the Village of Hempstead, New York, 2004 Congressional candidate

Althea Garrison, former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives

Robert A. George, editorial writer for the New York Post, blogger and pundit

Mifflin Wistar Gibbs, American consul to Madagascar

Jonathan Clarkson Gibbs, Secretary of State of Florida and Florida Superintendent of Public Instruction

Ron Givens, member of the Texas House of Representatives

James Golden, producer on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show

Rosey Grier, former professional football player, Protestant minister, actor and former candidate for Governor of California, 2018

Elbert Guillory, former state senator in Louisiana’s 24th district

Darryl Glenn, American politician and lawyer, Republican Party candidate for United States Senate seat in Colorado,2016

Ken Hamblin, Radio host, political commentator, author, television personality

E. Frederic Morrow, first African-American to hold an executive position at the White House. He served under President Dwight D. Eisenhower as Administrative Officer for Special Projects from 1955 to 1961.

Charles Edmund Nash, U.S Representative from Louisiana

Sophia A. Nelson, lawyer, author, political commentator

Constance Berry Newman, U.S. diplomat; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs; member of International Republican Institute

James E. O’Hara, Congressman from North Carolina

Rod Paige, seventh U.S. Secretary of Education

Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, ran for U.S. House of Representatives

George Lewis Ruffin (1834–1886), attorney, judge, Massachusetts state legislator, and Boston city councilman

Boyd Rutherford, Lieutenant Governor of Maryland

Michael Steele, 64th Chairman of the Republican National Committee

Dwayne Sawyer, State Auditor of Indiana

Paul H. Scott, Michigan State Representative

Tim Scott, U.S. Senator from South Carolina, first African-American senator to win election in the South since Reconstruction and former Representative South Carolina’s 1st Congressional District

Marvin Scott, congressional Candidate

Winsome Sears, member of the Virginia House of Delegates, 2004 Congressional Candidate

Tara Setmayer, former Communications Director for Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher in the U.S. House of Representatives (2006–2013) and current CNN Political Commentator (2014–present)

T.W. Shannon, current Oklahoma’s Speaker of the House

Robert Smalls, South Carolina

John J. Smith (1820-1906), abolitionist and Massachusetts state representative

Joshua I. Smith, appointed commissioner of Minority Business Development by President George H. W. Bush

Leo J Smith, political strategist, commentator, and state director for minority engagement for the Georgia Republican Party[15][16][17]

Princella Smith, 2010 Congressional Candidate, She PAC member

Robert Lloyd Smith, member of the Texas House of Representatives

Thomas S. Smith, member of the New Jersey General Assembly

Clay Smothers, member of the Texas House of Representatives

DeForest “Buster” Soaries, former New Jersey Secretary of State

Thomas Sowell, economist, writer and commentator

Michael S. Steele, political commentator, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2006 and former elected chairman of the Republican National Committee (2009–2010)

Shelby Steele, author

James H. Stewart, member of the Texas House of Representatives

McCants Stewart, lawyer

Thomas Stith, III, member of the city council of Durham, North Carolina, 2004 Candidate for Lieutenant Governor, 2007 mayoral candidate for Durham, North Carolina, Chief of Staff to Governor Pat McCrory

Louis Wade Sullivan, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Muslim women, Native Americans, and LGBTQ candidates had a night of historic wins. South Dakota’s Kristi Noem (Republican) became the state’s first female governor. More: www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18072658/midterm-election-results-historic-wins-muslim-native-american-women

As of 2018:

322 Women (208D, 114R) have served in the U.S. Congress:

40 (25D, 15R) in the Senate only;

270 (174D, 96R) in the House only;

12 (9D, 3R) in both the House and Senate;

84 (61D, 23R) women from 33 states serve in the U.S. House

As of 2018, 64 women of color (60D, 4R) have served in the U.S. Congress to date: 37 have been Black, 13 Asian American/Pacific Islander, 13 Latina, and 1 multiracial;

As of 2018, 38 of the 107 women serving in Congress in 2018 are women of color: 18 are Black, 10 Latina, 9 Asian American/Pacific Islander and 1 multiracial.

phx8 wrote: The Democrats are incredibly diverse, including blacks, Muslims, and LGBT, representing the make-up of America. The Republicans? Eh, not so much. Just white identity politics as usual.

So, phx8 is clearly implying that conservatives and Republicans are racist.
phx8 somehow believes all of the above proves conservatives and Republicans are racist.
Why is phx8 always playing the race card?

phx8 is entitled to his opinion, no matter how worthless it usually is, but where is phx8’s proof that conservatives and the Republican party are racist?.
Especially, where is anything that comes close the to racist history of the Democrat party?

“It is turning the GOP into a minority party which depends on obtaining power by suppressing votes and appealing to the worst in Americans, to racism and bigotry and misogyny.”

Your Brain-freeze comment should embarrass other Democrats on Watchblog. Holding a majority in all three branches of federal government; executive, legislative and judicial is hardly a minority.

The Liberals on WB have been starved for good news. phx8 and others have been predicting the impeachment of President Trump, recession, and wars. One shithead comedian even hoped for the decline of America. phx8 and his pseudo Commie Pals promote one-world government to be accomplished by glorifying globalism and tyranny.

Winning a near traditional number of house seats in a mid-term election has elated them. They write outrageous crap about “blue waves” and total takeover of government and bringing socialism in America to fruition.

As usual, all their claims of political dominance prove to be merely delusional intercourse with each other.

phx8 and Pals always over reach and under perform.

Man-made global warming has been debunked

War with Korea, Russia and China has been avoided

The United States is winning the trade wars

Illegal aliens attempting to invade the homeland have been stopped

Business harming and useless government regulations have been thrashed

Brett Kavanaugh has been proven completely innocent of bogus charges

The Mueller investigation is ending having failed to produce a single charge of collusion or obstruction against President Trump.

d.a.n.,
It is good you are trying to learn something about the historical relationship between racism and political parties. Suggestion: get up to speed on what happened when the GOP & Democratic parties switched polarities over the Civil Rights movement, and the Southern Strategy. The party ideologies changed in the 50’s and 60’s, but the people and regions remained the same.

If you have never read the Chernow biography of Grant, I would recommend it. Some find it a heavy go, but the detailed research and especially the chapters on Reconstruction are interesting. As Faulkner said: “The past is never dead. It isn’t even past.”

RF,
“Holding a majority in all three branches of federal government; executive, legislative and judicial is hardly a minority.”

Controlling the branches of government is not the same as having a majority. In 2016 the majority of Americans voted on a nationwide basis for Democrats in the House, Senate, and White House.

“Winning a near traditional number of house seats in a mid-term election has elated them.”
You forgot the 7 governorships, across-the-board rule in 6 states, 3 initiatives that did away with gerrymandering, and over 300 state and local pick-ups.

“War with Korea, Russia and China has been avoided.”
That is a weird thing to say.

and many other historic abuses heaped on black Americans in the U.S. by the Democratic Party and its supporters, the political party responsible for all of that racism is now the one constantly shouting:

“You’re a Racist!, Bigot!, Fascist!, Nazi!”

… and (despicably) pitting different racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).

phx8 was quick to try to obscure the facts about the history of the Democrat party, but the fact is, Democrats are STILL trying to pit different racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).

What would he say if we all decided his ignorant comments should be banned because they are hard to understand and makes our eyes sore trying to read them? Of course, he wouldn’t be able to say anything, would he, being banned and all?

What do you say, everyone? Should he be banned? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

WW,
ohrealy is right. If d.a.n. continues cutting and pasting those long posts he should be banned. The lists are out of date. No one reads them, as previous threads show, with Roy Ellis thanking him for those supposedly informative passages, and RF ‘speed-reading’ through them, yet neither even noticing the ridiculous, factually incorrect assertions, such as ‘the Iranians WILL build a bomb under Obama.’

Sorry. Don’t think I’ve ever called for a person to be banned from this site. But he was banned before, and it is easy to see why.

I don’t want anyone to be banned either. It’s no problem for me to have a good laugh at ohrealy’s comments. It’s like laughing at a small child’s cute antics.

phx8, however, showed his true colors by saying d.a.n should be banned for outdated comments. I think he’s calling them fake news. Does he also think MSNBC and CNN should be banned? His support for banning commenters also reinforces my belief that phx8 is also David R. Remer.

The lists are out of date. No one reads them, as previous threads show, with Roy Ellis thanking him for those supposedly informative passages, and RF ‘speed-reading’ through them, yet neither even noticing the ridiculous, factually incorrect assertions, such as ‘the Iranians WILL build a bomb under Obama.’

Not to mention the myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies included in D.’s posts. When called on it D. doesn’t have the decency to correct the mistakes made when copying this stuff from the discredited far right sites he gets his propaganda from. Instead he ignores them.

I mean deciding on your position on any issue is easier when you have truth and facts, but those are slim pickings in D.’s onslaught of misinformation. Have you noticed how he combines his “facts” so as to attempt to tar the entire group instead of individuals? I for one am proud of what I have said yet he combines everything and by doing so out words into my mouth that I haven’t said, making them misinformation instead of facts. Although I have to say my words of wisdom, if he would only keep up on them, keeps me entertained. Even if they lack context and are modified to fit his narrative. They do show how misguided D. is in general.

To be honest I noticed D. actually used info from VOX for a change! an attaboy is due after all those fairus deluges. So good job D. For once I don’t feel dumbed down by your gaslighting.

j2t2, Thanks!
phx8, Yes, I have been banned in the past, but not for anything the reached the level of the following:

j2t2 wrote:I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here. In fact I am especially proud of the donkey show comment.

j2t2 wrote: Now you act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f**k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.

j2t2 wrote: I mean I don’t call anyone that I disagree with names, just those that support the far right or are politically on the far right.

j2t2 wrote: Jeezus what a bunch of f**ktards these repubs are.

Ohrealy wrote: Take your memory pill, as well as the other ones, paranoid jackass, we have already had this conversation before.

phx8 wrote: Prejudice against immigrants among U.S. whites is NOT new …
So what is happening today is NOT new, or some sort of intractable problem. Racism and bigotry from the rural, white crowds of Trump reflect a long American tradition of hatred.

phx8 wrote: Not the majority. 30% [of Americans are racist] seems about right.

Oh….by the way, I removed that Iranian bomb from my list weeks ago. Thanks for the correction.

Again, what phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy seem to dislike most might be their own comments?

Now, all we have to do to state our case is to use articles from liberal-approved sites! What would phx8 and j2t2 do if we found sources on their liberal-approved sites that contradict their groupthink?
They would helicopter off into the stratosphere because their heads would be spinning so much!

It’s obvious where j2t2, phx8, and ohrealy get their opinions from. The difference between google and ddg is as different as my and phx8’s opinion. Which one is correct? How do we know which one is correct? How do you prove the definition of a word is such when there’s such a difference between the provided definitions?

I asked a question before. Do we understand the terms used by the person we’re debating? Do words mean the same thing to both sides? That meme throws a lot of doubt on the subject.

The real problem is most likely the “extreme” form, as wiht extremes of many things. Some Nationalism seems harmless enough (i.e. not wanting some arrogant Globalists and foreigners to believe they can run the U.S.A.), but the extreme form of Nationalism could be a bad thing.

Encyclopaedia Britannica: Nationalism - ideology based on the premise that the individual’s loyalty and devotion to the nation-state surpass other individual or group interests.

Dictionary.com: Nationalism - (1)spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation; (2)devotion and loyalty to one’s own country; patriotism; (3)excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Nationalism - (1)loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness; exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war; (2) a nationalist movement or government
opposing nationalisms;

Vocabulary.com: Nationalism - Nationalism is the belief that your own country is better than all others. Sometimes nationalism makes people not want to work with other countries to solve shared problems.

It brings up another contradiction in liberal thinking. They feel nationalism is a fault. They believe the U.S. is no better than any other country. They also refuse to leave this country for another that better suits their beliefs.

Yeah. Reminds of illegal immigrants marching through Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, on their way to the U.S., and they are waving flags of the countries they are leaving, and some illegal (and legal) immigrants in the U.S. are burning the U.S. flag. IF the U.S. is so bad (so bad, that they feel compelled to burn the U.S. flag), then why do they want, so badly, to come to the U.S. ?Sources:

Two people burn a United States flag during a protest in favor of the caravan of migrants that was currently stuck at the Guatemala-Mexico border, in front of the American embassy, in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, Friday, Oct. 19, 2018,” (AP Photo).

Because they are doing exactly what Jim Acosta denies. They’re invading our country.

Liberals are in denial on this issue. They see Democratics walking across that border, not human beings. Liberals will allow an invasion because they think those marching here will be loyal to Democratics. They refuse to believe anything else could happen.

The unholy trinity of phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy want d.a.n. banned. Hmmm…no surprise, they are simply acting like Nazi’s and Commies burning books. We are not at all surprised.

The Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist/Fascist cabal always stands for limiting speech and thought.

We are not at all surprised. These are the critters that despise our Founders, and what they believed, and the Democratic Republic they created. They embrace public disorder and law breakers, flag burning, rioting, election cheating, the working class, moms, abortion on demand and apple pie.

Rudeness and crudeness becomes them. We recognize them by the 666 stamped on their hearts.

My friend D. amongst other claims tell us “j2t2 wrote: I mean I don’t call anyone that I disagree with names, just those that support the far right or are politically on the far right. ” IMHO it is just one of the words of wisdom I have written here on WB. D., of course disagrees, and gets angrier as he claims I call him and others here fascist” amongst other things. Yet none of our conservatives friends here on WB are willing to tell us which issues they disagree with the fascist group the Proud Boyd on.

So rather than D. not keeping up on my words of wisdom, Yes I am envious that Ohrealy has jumped ahead of me in total numbers and doing so while speaking truth to ignorance, lets find out why our supposedly conservative friends here on WB have the same stance on issues as the “Western Chauvinists” (LOL). Gotta wonder why they put such an ugly color of lipstick on that pig dontcha.

Royaltells us “d.a.n., early on after reading a few comments by “Ohrealy” I made the decision not to respond to any of his posts. I am glad I made that decision.”

Smart move Royal. We get our share of your myths and misinformation when you do manage to comment. What I have noticed is how you manage to speak ignorance to truth so ineffectively lately. Anyway I appreciate this decision of yours and perhaps others do as well. The way you slobber all over anything D. copies and pastes perhaps instead of a full shot of your anger and hatred in the future you could ask D. to cut and paste your vitriol and you could use numbers to respond…just an idea.

As far as the midterms it seems what has happened is a wave, perhaps not a blue wave perhaps a blue wave, but definitely a youth wave and a minority wave judging by who voted in the midterms.. We see the dems returning to their BC(before Clinton)ideals, a result of the younger generations wanting to have their children growing up in an America pre-Reagan revolution, in the golden age of the baby boomers. So it seems the time has come for a changing of the guard. Instead of Corporate America giving marching orders to conservatives it is time for conservatives to slither back under the rocks they came out from under and leave the world alone. It would be a better place.

Royal, I would suggest only a political fool would think the corruption of the Reagan administration was good governance. Only a political fool would think the same team that told them government is the problem would think the same team is the answer.

Corruption and nepotism isn’t good governance as the Trump administration has proven once again.

Only a political fool would believe the Mueller investigation with it’s record of indictments is taking to long while the repub HoR investigation with it’s dismal results isn’t taking to long. It is this type of thinking from so many political fools that has got us to a dysfunctional government of the Trump administration. If you are one of those that believe government cannot do anything right then you are amongst the political fools I refer to.

Nice deflection Royal, just couldn’t face up to the corruption issue I see. So typical yet so sad. Why not man up like a real conservative and address the problems instead of deflection, projection and cognitive dissonance?

OK Royal how about the first link? which of these do not define our conservative friends on WB as well as most conservatives nationwide?
Pro cop
Pro ICE
Pro law and Order
Pro Life
“Pro American Values”
Anti illegal immigration

“Yet none of our conservatives friends here on WB are willing to tell us which issues they disagree with the fascist group the Proud Boyd on.”

I disagree with them on abolishing prison, giving everyone a gun, and shutting down government. Not exactly fascist in any sense, so maybe our leftist friends here on WB would be willing to tell us which of their beliefs make them fascists.

RE: Jeff Flake: In an interview with Jake Tapper (CNN), AZ Senator Jeff Flake says that his state is winnable for a Democrat in the 2020 Presidential election. He also said the GOP will need a 2020 challenger against Trump. Jeff Flake told The Arizona Republic that he is convinced “there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party.”. Perhaps Sinema will do better? McSally probably would have been the best outcome.

j2t2 wrote: he claims I call him and others here fascist” amongst other things.

Yes, because it is true. Not only that, but the following too (whether it be implied, insinuated, or outright name-calling):

j2t2 wrote:I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here.

j2t2 wrote: Now you act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f**k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.

j2t2 wrote: Jeezus what a bunch of f**ktards these repubs are.

j2t2 wrote: I am not calling anyone a Nazi.

j2t2 wrote: you complain about the fascist tag you guys on the right have earned.

j2t2 wrote: Welcome to Trump’s America, Zeig Heil !

j2t2 wrote: It may not be fascism, it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.

j2t2 wrote (comparing conservatives on Watch Blog to “Beastialists” or those that like to watch Beastiality): I didn’t imply anything of the sort. This is what I said “What’s the difference between the Gringo tourist at the “Tijuana Donkey Show” and the conservatives on WB [Watchblog] that believe the repubs on the intelligence committee actually have something of substance to show the American people?”

Like, you know, we’ll have to like, wait until after we like, get rid of Pelosi. Then we can like, also get rid of that dumb shooty thing in that like, old piece of paper those racist old white guys like, wrote.

It’s more about them putting party before country and their inability to be consistent in their beliefs.

A few short years ago they were bending over backwards to distort and ignore facts in order to defend Hillary. When that no longer worked, they deflected to ‘no conviction, no crime, end of story.’ Today, they use rumors and opinions to condemn Trump and demand his impeachment and arrest.

A few short years ago, their own politicians were making the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and calling for better border control. Support that today and they call you a racist.

A few short years ago, supporting things like traditional marriage, men’s and women’s bathrooms, freedom of speech, and our Constitution, meant a difference of opinion with those who did not. Supporting those thing today makes you a fascist nazi.

I could go on and on with example after example of their hypocrisy.

It’s not that we are far, far, far apart in our beliefs, it’s that they are willing to go to any length to get their way. Even if it means putting their country and their fellow Americans at great risk.

We all know how easily the barrel of apples is spoiled by the rotten one.

The Far-Left gained a real toe-hold in American politics with the advent of the Obama administration. He, and his administration convinced the weak of mind and moral that bad was good. He gained the support of much of the media and we were on our way to destruction.

The weak of mind and moral are easily led and easily persuaded. The Liberal politicians convince some that America is bad, that they have been cheated, that they deserve what others have earned; and “shazam”, magically these politicians have a following and media support. We find this today in the election of Ocasio Cortez. This woman is the face of the Progressive Left. She is totally ignorant, and totally corruptible. I don’t believe she will make it to the end of her first two year term without being indicted for criminality.

Soon, big money notices an opportunity to exploit the weak of mind and moral; and a downhill race to corruption and debasement begins.

Khashoggi went into self-imposed exile (from Saudi Arabia in JUN-2017) not long after being banned from journalism in Saudi Arabia, so that he could continue to work as a journalist. He was not a U.S. citizen.

Saudi Arabia fired 5 top officials, and arrested 18, and charged 11 people for killing Jamal Khashoggi at the consulate in Istanbul, Turkey. Also, 5 of the suspects may face the death penalty.

It is possible, but seems unlikely that the Saudi Crown Prince did not know about the operation at the Consulate (in Istanbul) in advance. Perhaps the Saudi Crown Prince (Mohammed bin Salman) may have authorized the arrest/kidnapping (but not the assassination) of Jamal Khashoggi, but Khashoggi was accidentally killed?

Do you believe that the Saudi Crown Prince (a)would and/or (b)could get away with both:

ordering the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi,

and then also seeking the death penalty for 5 of the perpetrators?

IF the Saudi Crown Prince did know something in advance about the assassination, then he is doing an effective job of trying to make it look like he genuinely had no prior knowledge of it (especially by seeking the death penalty for 5 of his loyal subjects)?

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D. tells us “It is possible, but seems unlikely that the Saudi Crown Prince did not know about the operation at the

He was not a U.S. citizen.

No you are right he wasn’t …yet. He was a resident on a Genius Visa and was applying for a green card. He was a journalist and three of his children are US citizens.

D. tells us “Perhaps the Saudi Crown Prince (Mohammed bin Salman) may have authorized the arrest/kidnapping (but not the assassination) of Jamal Khashoggi, but Khashoggi was accidentally killed? “

Because you send 15 hitmen to arrest the old guy and they just happen to carry a bone saw to your own embassy in Turkey to arrest someone! But then you and the 14 others kill him instead so, of course, what choice do you have but to dismember him after the “accidental” death. I guess you then pray to Allah for having the wisdom to have remembered the bone saw.
Give me strength Lord, gimme strength. Now our far right friends are covering for the Saudi prince because… Putin just wasn’t enough when you are protecting the Donald at all costs. Oh and profit from arms sales.

D. also queries us with this gem “Do you believe that the Saudi Crown Prince (a)would and/or (b)could get away with both:
ordering the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi,
and then also seeking the death penalty for 5 of the perpetrators?”

This is true POG/30’s thinking D., maybe the SCP is killing off the 5 who can prove he directed them to kill the American journalist. They did botch the job and got caught after all. If they were, in fact, the same people who murdered the American journalist. How do you know these aren’t 5 guys from some Saudi prison that were already sentenced to death? Because Trump said or because the SCP said so!

American journalist deserves better than this.

You guys shouldn’t even be allowed to use the words morals or ethics you have fallen so far.

That sounds remarkably like an opinion, j2t2. Who made you the word police?

I wonder how many times the Democratics and their lapdog MSM concocted a story that resembles this one. RussiaRussiaRussia didn’t work so now they’re trying SaudiSaudiSaudi. How long will this faux outrage ooze out into the public?

Democratics need to try something different. Manufacturing outrage isn’t working for you guys any longer. Perhaps, instead of telling Republicans they can’t say something, maybe you should put your thinking caps on and try to come up with something positive for a change.

Zeig Heil Weary Zeig Heil. What you trying to do my friend usurp the crown from D. for the monthly Goebbels award? Despite a solid attempt with this comment, D. has been going so strong this month I doubt you could do enough in the next week to get over the top of his effort to mislead and misinform.

The president has many options, he has failed to do anything but criticize the man who killed Osama Bin Laden while kissing SCP a** all in the same week.

t this point it isn’t what Trump should do but what the American public should do. Unfortunately, the morally bankrupt right wing in this country deems arms sales more important than the life of a journalist killed for speaking truth to power.

Here on WB and across the right-wing media, IMHO, Trump apologist should be denouncing Trump. It is that simple. Until he has a drop in ratings significant enough to gain his attention he will continue to run interference for the SCP. Just as he has done with Putin, Duarte, Jong-un and other dictators every time he gets a chance.

Many Thanks to j2t2 for expressing his non-insight into how the United States should respond to the Khashoggi killing. While calling Conservatives every possible nasty name in response to our ideas, our Pal j2t2 has no answers at all.

All that is necessary to show j2t2 is a fraud, is to ask him for his opinion on an important national issue. He has no opinion. He can only criticize those who do have an opinion.

j2t2 is devoid of answers that don’t come from some Liberal source. He is a parrot, not a prophet. He adds nothing of value to the debate.

No Royal the many thanks should go to you. Your ignorant deflection that I just didn’t cooperate with doesn’t prove anything but the desperation in so many Trump apologist.

I choose to deal with what Trump has done to negate damage to his personal business dealings. The man has discredited the CIA and instead has lied and covered up for the Saudi crown prince. You and other Trump apologist have been complicit in this cover up with your foolish ramblings, your foolish deflections.

Trump has sanctioned some Saudi citizens for the murder…so what when you are gonna be beheaded …right”, yet he refuses to sanction the SCP who the CIA says ordered the hit on the American journalist…because Iran is a danger to the world. Oh and Saudi is our friend. But he would allow a murderer to go free instead of insisting the Saudis charge him with the crime as well. Because he is part of the Royal family. So much for the conservatives here in America telling us all about their rule of law principles…right? This two-tiered justice system seems to be what you guys want.

Weary…really! Comparing terrorist who captured an American journalist and the SCP ordering a hit! WTF is the matter with you? Are you so far down the rabbit hole of Trumpism that you can no longer think for yourself? Next, you will be blaming the WAPO for the assassination of the American journalist.

We wonder if j2t2 plagiarized this wording (foolish ramblings, foolish deflections) from Chairman Mao’s “Little Red Book”. No doubt Mao’s book has an honored place on the bookshelf next to “Mein Kampf”.

OK j2t2, we get it. You don’t agree with President Trump. President Trump should…?

The sad thing is, Royal, you probably do wonder just that. But that says more about you than it says about me. I’m not surprised you choose to beat the “what would you do” drum as if it were important and would resolve anything. I suggest you read up on what other repubs have said about Trumps refusal to do anything about the SCP and his involvement in the assassination of an American journalist.

The inability of most conservatives here on WB to criticize Trump for anything is well known. To support him regardless of what he says or does is well know. It has resulted in the loss of any credibility you may have had. So keep quiet about his criticisms of the former navy seal while he is defending the murderer. We expect that from you guys. Remember you have given up the moral high ground as well Royal.

j2t2, Nobody is condoning the murder of Jumal Khashoggi, no matter how hard you want to make it look that way.

Still, you have not answered what should be done about it.
The U.S. leveled 17 sanctions against 17 Saudis involved in the death of Khashoggi.

So, the CIA stated that the Crown Prince ordered the murder of Khashoggi? IF that is true, that does change things.

What do you suggest be done about it?
Many other countries have many human rights violations (e.g. China, NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Yemen, Turkey, Russia, Myanmar, etc.), and some are far, far, far worse.

Should we nuke all of them?
Really, exactly what is your recommendation?

Perhaps we should cancel any arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps we should treat Saudi Arabia like we are treating Iran? Is that your recommendation? I think that would be justifiable.

But, not for Khashoggi … for 15 of the 19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia that (on 11-SEP-2001), 19 illegal immigrants killed 2,996 people, and more than 6,000 others injured. The immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon. The attacks were the deadliest terrorist act in world history, and the most devastating foreign attack on United States soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. As of September 28, 2008, a total of over 33,000 police officers, firefighters, responders, and community members have been treated for injuries and sickness related to the 9/11 attacks in New York City, including respiratory conditions, mental health problems like PTSD and depression, gastrointestinal conditions, and at least 4,166 cases of cancer; according to one advocacy group “more cops have died of illness linked to the attack than had perished in it”. The 19 perpetrators of 11-SEP-2001 were illegal immigrants, 18 of the 19 terrorist hijackers on 11-SEP-2001 possessed state-issued and/or counterfeit driver’s licenses or ID cards and ALL 19 had obtained Social Security numbers. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates(2), Egypt(1), and Lebanon(1). All 19 were affiliated with Al-Qaeda (a radical Sunni Muslim organization dedicated to the elimination of a Western presence in Arab countries and militantly opposed to Western foreign policy: founded by Osama bin Laden in 1988).

j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats have some very interesting ways of prioritizing.

Many Democrats and many on the left call for restricting or eliminating 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”.

IF j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats are truly concerned about U.S. citizens (and Khashoggi, who was not a U.S. citizen, but living in the U.S.), why do the want open borders?

What does j2t2, phx8 and many Democrats have to say about the following victims and survivors of these victims of crimes by illegal immigrants (thousands of crimes per year, which could have been prevented)?:

How many of these violations are for murdering an American journalist at their embassy to get papers to be married?

The problem D. is Trump has supported the SCP instead of the American journalist. He has shown us his inability to lead, he has backed down from anything but sanctioning 17 individuals, WTF is that? Especially when the SCP isn’t one of the 17. The man that is responsible for ordering the assassination isn’t sanctioned what kind of cowardly president is Trump? Not only that he has chosen to publicly contradict the CIA on the issue.

Of course, his apologist has sided with him which is just as abominable.

So what I think ought to be done simply is relevant. It is what has been done by Trump and his followers that is relevant. You guys spout rule of law but when Trump says no you agree, WTF is that about? Are arm sales to a dictator more important? Not too many other countries that value liberty and a free press.

If j2t2 and phx8 want to discuss hypocrisy….what about Democrats and many on the left call for restricting or eliminating 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”.

IF j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats are truly concerned about U.S. citizens (about 1000 killed per year by illegal immigrants, and Khashoggi, who was not a U.S. citizen, but living in the U.S.), why do they want open borders?

OH, MY; I hear a disembodied voice. Is it a ghost? Is it a specter? Is it a phantom? Nope, none of these, it is just our friendly wraith j2t2.

Our Liberal Pal j2t2 is all shook up over the killing of one person by agents of another country. Ask him about millions of fetuses, some actually born, that are systematically killed every year in the United States. These deaths are justified by the Left as…wait for it…as, a woman’s choice.

Weary, I once asked our Liberal Pals, especially the atheists, from where they got their morals. I can’t recall all the answers but it certainly was interesting. Most replied that morals are fashioned, over time, from consensual agreement.