These are interesting as well. Measures how much a player scores vs the opponent at his position and also scoring =/- while in/out of the game.

so I guess we shouldn't be worried if he leaves or not, seeing as how he does nothing for us anyways in terms of winning

Your sarcasm is VERY clever, but yes.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but he IS playing and we're NOT winning.

Kobe is playing and has the highest +/- and we're not winning so what does that tell us? Kevin love avg 26/15 or something last year, you'd think stats like that w/o watching games you would think K.Love is a dominant force with the likes of Shaq, Duncan,etc. until you actually watch the games.

phoenixrisingla wrote:That we have to much minus to make up for all of Kobe's plus.

This is an INDIVIDUAL stat. If you cant see the distinction between playing well in a loss and playing poorly in a loss then I'm not sure what to say...

I think Kobe could be doing more in terms of leadership, but at least he's playing well and seems like he wants to be here.

Pau has a net + can you explain that to me, seeing as how I dont seem to understand this stat cause eye test I dont suggest that one bit as per your rebuttal here in regards to playing hard and wanting to be here stuff. As far as Howard goes, no fan fare here my friend, trade his arse if doesn't want to be here and we can get a good package for him. I have no player loyalty whatosever

phoenixrisingla wrote:That we have to much minus to make up for all of Kobe's plus.

This is an INDIVIDUAL stat. If you cant see the distinction between playing well in a loss and playing poorly in a loss then I'm not sure what to say...

I think Kobe could be doing more in terms of leadership, but at least he's playing well and seems like he wants to be here.

Pau has a net + can you explain that to me, seeing as how I dont seem to understand this stat cause eye test I dont suggest that one bit as per your rebuttal here in regards to playing hard and wanting to be here stuff.

Are you being serious?

I dont have to explain it to you. That stat is a representation of what actually happened.

You can say its meaningless if you dont like what the numbers say, but this is why we have stats. So we can have a recording of events/outcomes that occurred without the filter of subjective interpretation.

I'm not saying that you can say "leader in +/- is the best player in the league" but to say they are meaningless is equally asinine.

phoenixrisingla wrote:That we have to much minus to make up for all of Kobe's plus.

This is an INDIVIDUAL stat. If you cant see the distinction between playing well in a loss and playing poorly in a loss then I'm not sure what to say...

I think Kobe could be doing more in terms of leadership, but at least he's playing well and seems like he wants to be here.

Pau has a net + can you explain that to me, seeing as how I dont seem to understand this stat cause eye test I dont suggest that one bit as per your rebuttal here in regards to playing hard and wanting to be here stuff.

Are you being serious?

I dont have to explain it to you. That stat is a representation of what actually happened.

You can say its meaningless if you dont like what the numbers say, but this is why we have stats. So we can have a recording of events/outcomes that occurred without the filter of subjective interpretation.

I'm not saying that you can say "leader in +/- is the best player in the league" but to say they are meaningless is equally asinine.

so if stats dont lie, can you honestly say we're better off with Pau than Howard right now?

I wouldn't say much unless there's a clear and obvious trend. I think Kobe's and Metta's are very telling because the difference is so massive. But if you were to look at that and assume that we're a better team with Dwight off the floor, I'd say that's silly.