Some Russian posters are completely anti-CHL but for this game a CHL defender Sergeev was the best defender alongside KHL player Nesterov Zharkov solid too along with Grigorenko and Kucherov, didn't seem to regress to much to me. While Yakupov seems to have forgoten how to play within a team since he went back and seems a shadow of the player I witnessed with Sarnia, same with Khoklachev. Coincidence? maybe but some posters overblow these issues, Russians are much more physical these days and are not bothered by the NA physical style as they were before.

Some Russian posters are completely anti-CHL but for this game a CHL defender Sergeev was the best defender alongside KHL player Nesterov Zharkov solid too along with Grigorenko and Kucherov, didn't seem to regress to much to me. While Yakupov seems to have forgoten how to play within a team since he went back and seems a shadow of the player I witnessed with Sarnia, same with Khoklachev. Coincidence? maybe but some posters overblow these issues, Russians are much more physical these days and are not bothered by the NA physical style as they were before.

Yarullin and Nesterov were the best defenders for Russia. Nichushkin was dominant and only 17 Sigaryov and Yakupov were rubbish. Zharkov was average. You would have had a point if you were not so biased in your post I have always stressed that moving to the CHL is up to the individual player and where he is with his development but I still think the majority of Russian players are better off moving to NA at 20-22 after polishing their games in Russia.

Yarullin and Nesterov were the best defenders for Russia. Nichushkin was dominant and only 17 Sigaryov and Yakupov were rubbish. Zharkov was average. You would have had a point if you were not so biased in your post I have always stressed that moving to the CHL is up to the individual player and where he is with his development but I still think the majority of Russian players are better off moving to NA at 20-22 after polishing their games in Russia.

I feel Seergev and Nesterov were the best in this game imo, Yarullin was quiet other than his goal. I wasn't trying to be biased I agree that its up to the individual but when some feel like the CHL will make them horrible players I don't think you can say such things for sure these days. Zharkov and others still managed to maintain their skills and they have been there for 3 years some of them. It's not like Canadians don't practise stickhandling and puck skills and only teach players how to hit, dump, and chase.

I still didn't think he played that good. He turns the puck over so ****ing much in the offensive zone it's nauseating.

He tries to stickhandle way too much sometimes also.

He's still physical and solid defensively, but he's so frustrating to watch on offense.

That sounds more like the Germany game than today's game. I have no idea why you think he was "nauseating" today. He was one of the better players on the team today, for sure. I chalk up the Germany game to nerves.

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I wasn't trying to be biased I agree that its up to the individual but when some feel like the CHL will make them horrible players I don't think you can say such things for sure these days. Zharkov and others still managed to maintain their skills and they have been there for 3 years some of them. It's not like Canadians don't practise stickhandling and puck skills and only teach players how to hit, dump, and chase.

Peoples arguments are not only about practice which are significantly different between NA and Russia but also game day, freedom of expression on the Ice is a lot bigger in Russia than NA.

We both agree it depends on the player, some Russian D made the right choice moving to NA, some forwards too but at the ages Russians leave for the CHL the majority are raw talents still underdeveloped but have potential. These are the ones that suffer, not the elite talents who can benefit playing in North America. To be honest, I feel Grigorenko has definitely improved his defensive game but offensively he has developed tunnel vision. He can still pick out a great pass but his decision making seems to have regressed.

Peoples arguments are not only about practice which are significantly different between NA and Russia but also game day, freedom of expression on the Ice is a lot bigger in Russia than NA.

We both agree it depends on the player, some Russian D made the right choice moving to NA, some forwards too but at the ages Russians leave for the CHL the majority are raw talents still underdeveloped but have potential. These are the ones that suffer, not the elite talents who can benefit playing in North America. To be honest, I feel Grigorenko has definitely improved his defensive game but offensively he has developed tunnel vision. He can still pick out a great pass but his decision making seems to have regressed.

Defence and goaltenders seem to have the most to benefit from the move. I feel some of the lesser prospects wouldn't have amounted to much in Russia also, take a player like Vladimir Bryukvin for example not a star in Russian junior leagues and not doing much in the CHL. Players like this I feel they're unlikely to become anything great even if they stayed. If you take a bunch of average Canadians and they went to Russia and did not become stars and busted no one would really care. But say a prospect like McDavid or Mackinnon left to Russia, they would be under a large microscope and any slight regression would throw the blame towards the move to Russia . So, in that regard I can sympathize with you guys, hopefully Grigorenko, Tolchinsky, Barbashev turn out well.