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Exxon Confirms 80,000-Gallon Spill Contains Canadian Tar Sands Oil

Let's talk about that XL pipeline coming from Canada. Need I say more? 80,000 gallon spill holding Canadian Tar Sands oil. I told ya so, I told ya so. Here in Mayflower Ark a lake area and 2 State Wild Management areas. I haven't seen what the spill will do to the water so needed by ALL in the area and more.
Exxon Confirms 80,000-Gallon Spill Contains Canadian Tar Sands Oilhttp://insideclimatenews.org/news/20...anadian-dilbit
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A pipeline that ruptured and leaked at least 80,000 gallons of oil into central Arkansas on Friday was transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region, ExxonMobil told InsideClimate News.

Local police said the line gushed oil for 45 minutes before being stopped, according to media reports.

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He stayed making a decision untila full environmental study was complete. While it was being completed the environmental protection supporters with juice in the D party let him know how stupid such a pipeline will be.... I think it was poorly thought through.... so I imagine we will see the oil head west to the Canada coast where it will go straight to china cutting us out of the capitol... not as if any but a very small percentage of americans would ebenfit from the increase cash flow....

So yeah... what a fucking stupid idea....

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Right and most that oil will be sold to China through our ports. So we reap a transactional fee.

But if only a few Americans will get benefits vs the idea of massive environmental catastrophe.... the choice seems rather easy... Let Canada work through how to get it to the coast and deal with the subsequent spills in their environmental preserves.

The best choice in my humble opinion is to refine it in place and sell the fuel to america and the derivatives to our chemical companies. Then at least trans would be incremental.

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If the Keystone Piepline went to Texas then how would it get to Vancouver... keep up sweets....

Like I said it serves no purpose, let Canadians keep the money, sell the oil and best of all keep the sludge on their side of the magical country line.... hopefully far enough that the disaster stays up there...

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No shit but my commentary was on the fruitless endeavor called keystone... it is an ignorant waste of time. We will make plenty of money elsewhere and don't need sludge pumped across nine states.....

This spill being a key indicator of the hazards .. and considering the jobs created would be short lived and the capitol produced would end up in a couple of hands and not spread out... the risk is not worth the gain... if the risk is worth the gain for Canada then COOL keep it. I get it you want to keep the oil ... so I support you whole heartedly.

My other commentary is that the SAFEST method to minimize massive catastrophe would be to refine it ON SITE then sell it to the largest oil user on EARTH.... but of course that wouldnt make sense because it doesnt develop enough cents quick enough.

Last edited by JayHawk; April 1st, 2013 at 08:58 PM.

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No, not nationalistic. Rational. There are other countries willing to readily invest in Canadian oil - it's not worth American tears to wait. And oil production is inherently environmentally risky, regardless of the who or what involved.

I personally think Keystone is a moronic idea simply based on the pipeline being an easy terrorist target.

Yeah it was a republican ploy on the words oil and the fact that prices are rising... and as I have repeated over and over again... it should stay in Canada... I was initially leaning towards the idea for a secure fossil fuel but it will not matter in another decade so it is then not worth the risk of contaminating our wilds. Heck we do that well enough off shore.

You seem like your pussy hurts a bit over the subject... I have agreed with you all along and you have this "thump, thump" Canada thing going... no matter. I hope it stays north, far north of the economic line. But I would imagine if this country wnats it here it will come. ( A little boiling water to your bath sir)

Seriously it needs to stay up there... like I said it will not be relevant in a decade.

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(Reuters) - Exxon Mobil on Sunday continued cleanup of a pipeline spill that spewed thousands of barrels of heavy Canadian crude in Arkansas as opponents of oil sands development latched on to the incident to attack plans to build the Keystone XL line.

Last edited by White Eagle; April 2nd, 2013 at 06:50 AM.

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The company was developing a plan to excavate, remove and replace the ruptured portion of the near 65-year-old line, which transports Canadian crude oil from Illinois to Texas. Excavation is crucial in determining the cause of a pipeline spill.
Meanwhile, rain, which is forecast for Tuesday afternoon and expected to remain on and off for at least two days, may complicate efforts to clean up the spill, which is not far from Lake Conway, a popular fish and wildlife area stocked with bass, catfish, bream and crappie.

--snip--

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I am so out of Hockey... that could be a possible and I wouldnt know... I just wiki'ed the wins... meh. I love hockey but I love it live... Never will you find hotter dudes that want rough sex more than in the hockey fan base... ^.^

Six Decades old does lend itself to the obvious issue at hand. The situation is no less relevant to danger presented increasing flow of oil through the US at such rates as the Keystone Pipeline. I stand by my assessment that it is a bad idea that should be avoided.

Next thing you know republicans will be saying Obama ruptured the line so as to provide political cover for denial. Mark my words some nut bagger will say it

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Why would it be sold through your ports? Vancouver has the 4th largest in North America. The USA is not needed.

Canada is too dependent on America, which is something Harper has finally realized. Better off looking to a different horizon.

Its not "your ports". Its the method of transport to the market the private for profit companies decide to ship their product through and how they deem it the most profitable to logistically serve those markets now or in the future. Future prediction is vital.
Moving product by pipeline is a lot cheaper then ships on the seas a lot further north.
Soon the Panama canal will be able to handle larger vessels (2015 est) and Mexico is building a huge deep water port that will accept super tankers and container vessels as well. This will or could hurt the Port of Long Beach CA dramatically for instance.

Certain business such as Exxon/Mobil may have a much better deal in transport or infrastructure to complete manufacturing out of Louisiana or Texas compared to its physical plant in Canada. Therefore the cost of moving product through a high powered cheap to build pipeline a couple thousand miles and its long term contract with other distribution lines may be cheaper then shipping or using the nearest port . Consider the cost of building such facilities and regulations as well

If you want to believe that China will reap the benefits of this fossil fuel you must realize that China has vested interest around the globe not just its sovereign border that require oil and products other then bulk volumes of product. In North America (aside from Mexico) the government regulates how natural resources are mined (supposed to in theory) however it is private industry which conducts its business and Country borders are just imaginary lines.

Its not "your ports". Its the method of transport to the market the private for profit companies decide to ship their product through and how they deem it the most profitable to logistically serve those markets now or in the future. Future prediction is vital.
Moving product by pipeline is a lot cheaper then ships on the seas a lot further north.
Soon the Panama canal will be able to handle larger vessels (2015 est) and Mexico is building a huge deep water port that will accept super tankers and container vessels as well. This will or could hurt the Port of Long Beach CA dramatically for instance.

Certain business such as Exxon/Mobil may have a much better deal in transport or infrastructure to complete manufacturing out of Louisiana or Texas compared to its physical plant in Canada. Therefore the cost of moving product through a high powered cheap to build pipeline a couple thousand miles and its long term contract with other distribution lines may be cheaper then shipping or using the nearest port . Consider the cost of building such facilities and regulations as well

If you want to believe that China will reap the benefits of this fossil fuel you must realize that China has vested interest around the globe not just its sovereign border that require oil and products other then bulk volumes of product. In North America (aside from Mexico) the government regulates how natural resources are mined (supposed to in theory) however it is private industry which conducts its business and Country borders are just imaginary lines.

Valid points that I had not thought of in oil. That is your bread and butter though is it not?

I suppose capable (of using your own ports) does not mean realistic cost advantage.

Why is refining in place not a more feasible method? We already run trucks all over North America carrying fuel for gas stations or derivatives for chemical plants. So with your knowledge, why is it not feasible?

Last edited by JayHawk; April 3rd, 2013 at 07:23 AM.

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I agree with you on the larger scale MP4. Except most, if not all, Americans drink water from fresh water sources that COULD be affected by a single human error. Whereas the damage to environment is horrendous in a salt water spill, almost no one is drinking that water or using for irrigation. The very few that are benefited by the process by which the salt is removed from the salty water. The same process removes the contaminants.

I agree Canada is our friend. And I hope you all remain at our side forever... we make a good couple.

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I hear you but what about all of the other pipelines criss crossing America to satisfy the need for oil? Should they be shut down?

Until we find alternate sources of energy, that are affordable, there is going to be a need for oil. Canada is offering up a steady supply. If America doesn't buy it, and you can mark my words, China and India will. America will have to go on importing from the Middle East spending billions that it doesn't have to defend it's safe passage

Okay but here is my point, Canada is selling oil at prices that can only be profitable if shipped to higher cost markets. WE will not be buying the oil. it will be shipped to our ports and then leave the country to other places. That was one of the main arguments. The counter argument is that when our price gets that high we will be thankful. However, at that point the price will have risen across the board and the cost will be the same as imports. Plus we have yet to explore all of our oil reserves that are in difficult to get places like the deep well that caused the spill in the gulf. While that is obviously a failed and unregulated endeavor, the prospect of that type of drilling is not far off from being controlled.

Finally, name the pipeline in America that spans the country and affects 60% of our fresh water. We cant even guard a fence with Mexico, so then how will will protect that pipe?

Still no answer from anyone arguing for the pipe as to why we dont refine in place?

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The pipeline was built to carry 65,000 barrels a day, but Exxon was allowed to expand that to 95,000 barrels a day just a few years ago.
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... seven years ago, when Exxon, the pipeline's operator, turned it into a higher-volume line for diluted bitumen from Canada flowing under greater pressure to refineries on the Gulf Coast, federal rules did not require a new permit application or safety reviews, according to federal officials.
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The trust fund is liable for tar sands oil spill cleanups without collecting any revenue from tar sands transport. If the fund goes broke, the American taxpayer foots the cleanup bill.
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Just a few snippets about this article. Exxon does not pay into a clean up trust fund. If the fund goes broke we pay for the clean up. They got permission to upgrade the pressure from 65,000 to 95,000. #2 above is interesting. The whole article needs to be read.

6 Things You Need to Know About the Arkansas Oil Spill
For starters, this is not your average crude; but there is a whole lot more you should know.

Photo Credit: Karen McCall/Greenpeace
April 3, 2013 |

This article was published in partnership with GlobalPossibilities.org.

By now, you already know that at least 84,000 gallons of crude spilled from an ExxonMobil pipeline, swamping an Arkansas subdivision on Friday, and causing the evacuation of 22 homes. In addition to the loss of wildlife, damage to property, and environmental and human health hazards posed by the spill, it may have implications for the Keystone XL pipeline currently under consideration by the Obama administration.

There is a lot more to the story that's important to understand. Here are six crucial things.

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@JayHawk I'm sure it has a lot to do with NAFTA nonsense. I don't see why we can't refine it in Canada for you (or others) - don't disagree with you on that one.

Only downside is the west coast is riddled with mountains on Canada's side, so it's costly...and there are literally no people in northern Canada, and designing a pipeline to navigate eastward would be a logistical headache and too costly.

Oil Devastation in Arkansas -- Government Relents and Releases Photos to the Public [Slideshow]
Take a look at these just-released EPA photos.
April 5, 2013 |

After outrcies of media blackouts and Exxon running the cleanup show, today the EPA released photos of the tar sands spill that shocked the Mayflower, Arkansas neighborhood last week. Check out more of our coverage of the spill here and Exxon's response.

Apparently the Gov is not gonna let Exxon hide what has happened. Exxon even has a no fly zone in the area. Unbelievable.

Last edited by White Eagle; April 6th, 2013 at 07:49 AM.

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@JayHawk I'm sure it has a lot to do with NAFTA nonsense. I don't see why we can't refine it in Canada for you (or others) - don't disagree with you on that one.

Only downside is the west coast is riddled with mountains on Canada's side, so it's costly...and there are literally no people in northern Canada, and designing a pipeline to navigate eastward would be a logistical headache and too costly.

Still NAFTA is an agreement between people and agreements can be altered. I saw on Jon Stewart's Daily Show that the keystone will carry ten times the amount of flow in the ruptured pipe... So a disaster would be ten times as large before it was stopped.

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Originally Posted by CowboyBob

This tar sand oil is supposed to be different than "regular" oil. There was something on tv last night about it. It doesn't float, it sinks when in water.

Yeah GC had a emotional run in over a type of music in the HT forum. So, whether it was that altercation or that simply provided the right timing, he indicated he needed time off to help his Father finish the purchase of a new hose and get settled.

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15 Things You Need to Know About the Tar Sands Oil Spill
Reporters trying to look at the cleanup site have described a "martial law" atmosphere..

April 9, 2013 |

The first "Tar Sands Oil Arkansas" (published April 7)discussed a number of questions raised by the ExxonMobil Pegasus pipeline that burst in Mayflower, Arkansas, on March 29, pumping tar sands oil — technically Wabasca Heavy crude oil — into a residential neighborhood for almost an hour.

It's troubling to me that ExxonMobil is still hiding what is going on and the Government seems to be helping. I first found this story at Alternet but when you click on the link it says access denied, you are not authorized to view this page. I finally googled readersupported news and found the article. Not clear if Exxon stopped Alternet or if Readeers Supported news did. Not to matter anyway. Here it is.

en days after the ExxonMobil Pegasus pipeline burst, spewing thousands of barrels of Canadian tar sands oil into the North Woods residential development in Mayflower, Arkansas, much of the oil spill has been collected, although it continues to spread slowly, seeping into wetlands and nearby Lake Conway.

Slow as the oil's movement may be, it seems to move faster than news related to the spill, the cleanup, or ExxonMobil and the local, state, and federal agencies who keep tight control over information that, in ordinary circumstances, the public would expect to hear in a timely fashion.

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Another story about how ExxonMobil is screwing the families of Mayflower Ark. Not telling them about a spill in the same pipeline and how inspections have not been done on the pipeline, that leaked, when it crosses waterways. Like the Mississippi. I'm hoping this will do in ExxonMobil!

It's now been almost two weeks since ExxonMobil's Pegasus pipeline spill put at least 500,000 gallons of tar sands crude and contaminated water into the Arkansas community of Mayflower. Many of the evacuated families still haven't been able to return to their homes.

Sierra Club organizer Glen Hooks, who grew up about 20 miles southeast of Mayflower, in Gravel Ridge, attended a meeting for the displaced families at Mayflower High School: "I had to really stare down some ExxonMobil goons who told me to leave because it was a private meeting. I politely explained that it was a meeting in a public building about a public subject with numerous public officials in attendance, and that I was planning to stay."

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It seems to me that MSNBC is covering this spill regularly. CNN and Fox have two and then one story respectively. MSNBC has a page length of story names.

So the Company is attempting to pay off the towns people. The breech was 22 feet long and the metal of the pipe will be analyzed by a third party.

Exxon is writing checks for living expenses for the families affected and adding a few bucks here and there to over compensate. They are even talking of purchasing homes.

What disturbs me is the oil industry has a higher incidence of pipes bursting because some experts claim Diluted Bitumen is more corrosive than sweet crude. The oil industry is arguing against it. I always get suspicious when the industry standing to make billions off a product or process , disputes the findings of independent analysis. What also disturbs me is reading that in the US there is a spill every two to three days but we hear nothing of it because the pipelines go through unoccupied areas. This affected a town so one 'news' network' is covering it.

I do not see the black helicopters reported in alternet. I do seeing a 400 billion a year company using the power of the dollar to buy its way through the mess.

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Yeah Alternet does over report what is happening. It's ok by me in this instance.
Offering to buy the houses is a positive that should happen. Those people are not gonna be able to sell those homes. They are worthless now.
What gets me is they haven't inspected the pipeline for awhile, even the one that crosses the Mississippi. Wouldn't that be some story if it pollutes the Miss.

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It is just a matter of time, if the results of the reported studies rings true and the material accelerates corrosion in pipe walls. I do find it sad that only MSNBC and local stations are reporting this regularly. There is a lot of reportable news these days between massacre control, Obama care, sequester, North Korea, Syria.... I could go on... there is a fuck ton of news to choose from but there is also 24/7 news cycle.

What I fear is CNN lacks the assets to devote to the story and FNC doesn't wanna alienate the party that controls their reporting.

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That is what is interesting MP4. CNN has more world wide resources whereas locally in the US Fox has a station in every city with a station.

SO massive oil spill in a US town that will likely condemn homes and uproot people but that isnt a story??? Really?

The students at the local school complained they were sick so Exxons Doctor showed up to tell them everything was fine... some folks are just sensitive to poison in the air O_O Then they proceeded to give the school 15k.

The big Oil companies are good using money for leverage. Perhaps pulling ad revenue from CNN could have a impact? Yet they dont advertise as the clean company of the future on MSNBC so they are reporting.

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