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Correlation or resolution of ZetaTalk with the work of other channels or authors isnot done unless they predict and have a prediction accuracy track record, as otherwise they are not a peer of ZetaTalk which does so. This rule has been in place since 2002. Just because another website or author makes a statement does not make that statement true, nor will the Zetas explain to you why their statements are not true, as then they are taking time out to address the issue.

The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.

The date of the pole shift cannot be given, but the sequence of events can be given. [ Link ] Check the ning pinned discussions and blogs for such information as the 7 of 10, the last weeks, etc.

Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 [73] years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek.To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

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Clearly, the blackouts affecting the USA on April 21 were caused by EMP. There have been other suspicious electrical failures too, around the globe, for instance in the Canary Islands on April 22. Ridiculous excuses have been thrown up, attempting to blame the Sun but the supposed solar activity was only reported AFTER the big EMP in USA. Also, another excuse, hacking or some secret government weapons using EMP is speculated. Will this push the admission about Nibiru, or create more cover-up?[and from another]https://www.rt.com/usa/385646-blackouts-hit-la-ny-sf/The first outage occurred at around 7:20am in New York. Later in the morning, power outages were reported in Los Angeles International Airport, as well as in several other areas around the city.[and from another]http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Massive-power-outage-hits-San...The power failure struck just after 9 am and extended through the Tenderloin and Chinatown, up Nob Hill, and into the Marina and the Presidio. Pacific Gas and Electric Co. traced the problem to the failure of a circuit breaker that ignited insulation and started a fire at a substation.[and from another]http://kron4.com/2017/04/21/power-outage-closes-san-francisco-bart-...City officials also say they will have traffic control officers at the Bay Bridge and Golden Gate Bridge so the evening commute doesn’t turn into gridlock.[and from another]http://abc7ny.com/traffic/big-mess-power-outage-leads-to-subway-del...Con Edison and transit crews are working to determine what triggered the hours-long outage that affected the signals, which began around 7:30 am.[and from another]http://gothamist.com/2017/04/21/mta_subway_power_out.phpIt's not quite the weekend yet, and the MTA is making sure you know it: a midtown power outage has caused rippling delays along the B, D, F, M, A, C, E, F, J, Q and R lines. Thank you for your undying patience.[and from another]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4434890/Ferry-crash-Gran-Ca...

SOZTAs has been noted by those afflicted by EMP, time of day matters. It does not occur at night, but when Nibiru and the Sun rise overhead. There is also a strong association with water, so that cities on the coast are attracting EMP for two reasons – the heavy use of electricity and the nearby and often incursive presence of water. Manhattan is an island, and San Francisco is surrounded by water on three sides. As usual, NOAA predicted solar activity only after EMP struck coast-to-coast in the US.

The desperate move to imply that hacking or a secret EMP weapon was responsible will not stick. In fact, it would only draw attention to the plethora of EMP information on the ZetaTalk website, so easily found via search engines. The fact that several cities were struck, within hours and on the same day, is problematic for the cover-up, which usually likes to keep any incident local so the big picture cannot be sensed. EMP is only one weapon in the Council of World’s arsenal, and the cracks in the cover-up are widening. The debate on how to break the news about Nibiru intensifying, as it is clear denial cannot be maintained much longer. Who, what, how, and when has not been determined as yet.EOZT

Dear Nancy and the Zetas, what's behind Operation Gotham Shield? Is it for EMP cover-up or a False Flag event?

On April 18th thru May 5th, 2017, state, local, and federal organizations alike are planning for Operation Gotham Shield 2017 — a major nuclear detonation drill in the New York-New Jersey area, along with the U.S.-Canadian border.

During this exercise, 4 nuclear devices, 2 of which are rendered “safe” during the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) Vital Archer Exercise, and one successful 10kt detonation in the NYC/NJ area, along with one smaller detonation on the U.S./Canadian border are to take place.

Among the organizations involved are:

– U.S. Department of Energy (DOE)

– U.S. Department of Defense (DOD)

– U.S. Domestic Nuclear Detection Office (DNDO)

– U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

– U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

– U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM)

– State of New Jersey Office of Emergency Management

– State of New York Office of Emergency Management

– City of New York Office of Emergency Management

The following document comes form The Nevada National Security Service. Their primary role with the government is to help ensure the security of the United States and its allies by supporting the stewardship of the nuclear deterrent, providing emergency response capability and training, and contributing to key nonproliferation and arms control initiatives.

Declined as all the hype over N Korea threats, there has been preparedness exercises and efforts everywhere, not just in USA. Russia has moved troops to that border. China has run exercises. Japan is ready to evac. And chubby Kim is threatening to devastate Trump and USA all the time. How often are disaster movies featuring NYC? 50% of the time, from Godzilla to The Day After Tomorrow, it is poor NYC that is featured. Home of the UN. Where the Twin Towers aka 911 resided. It is the target. So preparedness exercises are logically located there.

False Flag? How could it be when this is the focus of the exercise? False Flag is when a disaster happens but the perp is other than claimed. The perp is a government, but they claim it was a terrorist. Are you suggesting a bomb would go off during this exercise and they would .. point to a terrorist? None of that makes sense. And exercise does not include DOING the disaster one is preparing for, only the steps to recover from that disaster.

Maybe it mass Exodus will be interesting for Zetatalk chat?[and from another]https://www.rt.com/news/385727-russian-record-holding-cosmonaut-res...Russian cosmonaut Gennady Padalka, who holds the world record for cumulative days in space, has announced his voluntary resignation from the Russian cosmonaut corps. Padalka himself explained his decision by the fact that he has only small chances to join any space mission in the near future.[and from another]http://all.true-news.info/padalka-left-the-squad-behind-the-scandal...Russian space unhealthy. Over the past year or two, broke up with him about five astronauts and about the same going to do it in the near future. Already lost the backbone of the squad: Maxim Suraev, Roman Romanenko, Oleg Kotov, Sergei Revin, Alexander Samokutyaev… just a month ago, the squad was left without a first-class professional, hereditary, and Romanenko, cosmonaut Sergei Volkov. And here is another shock — last Friday, on his retirement from the squad cosmonaut training center. Gagarin announced one of the most famous astronauts of Roscosmos, the world record holder for the total stay in orbit, Gennady Padalka.

SOZTWhy are cosmonauts leaving this elite squad in droves? This is a recent trend, several in the past two years and as many planning an early retirement in the near future. Of course space is becoming increasingly dangerous, with the debris in the tail of Nibiru peppering the Earth and all of man’s space transports or satellites. We have described the ISS as a suicide mission, thus. But Padalka describes his primary reason being that he would NOT be assigned to such a mission in the future, due to his age.

It is well known that hundreds of astronomers who tried to tell the truth about Nibiru were assassinated, via supposed health problems, via supposed suicide, or via accidents while driving home late at night. Astronauts are privy to the same pressures, as they have a perfect view from a cloud free environment in space. It is not the threat of assassination from an inadvertent leak that is troubling Padalka and his brothers, it is the possibility that he may be ASKED to be the leak, to announce Nibiru. In his mind, this is an assignment more dangerous than space!EOZT

Declined because the Zetas will NOT address this.But I will say this obvious to myself, Nancy. It is being broadcast as Korea related, the problems with Kim and his nuclear threats. Why the Senate? The House is the body that approves going to war, although the President can protect the Homeland with a limited action pending that. The whole Korea War was a police action, thus. We have treaties with the Senate, which has the responsibility of approving treaties by a 2/3 vote, and this would include dissolving existing treaties. We have treaties with S Korea. There is a rumor out, by the discredited and acting-crazy Fulford, that Kim will flee to Russia within days, and reunification of the Koreas to occur.

In an unusual move, all 100 senators were invited to attend a classified meeting later Wednesday at the White House to discuss the North Korea and its growing bellicosity. The meeting will be attended by some of Trump’s top cabinet members, including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—who will chair the meeting-- and Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis.

North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un and his family will seek political asylum in Russia on or about May 8th, just before the South Korean presidential election. This is the decision reached in secret discussions between the governments of Russia, China and the US. This will pave the way for a Kim Han Sol, the son of Kim Il Sung’s older brother Kim Jong Nam, to become the new leader of North Korea. This will be followed by the reunification of the Korean Peninsula.

The operation, set to take place in June, will prepare for the safe exit of around 230,000 Americans in the case of conflict. Tens of thousands of American civilians, including military dependents residing in and around the capital city of Seoul, could very well be caught in the crossfire. A major dilemma for the US is how to keep these Americans safe and evacuate them in the event of hostilities.

James Lechago said:

Later today Every senator has been called together to meet with Donald Trump as well as General Dunford and others. Is this something that the zetas can tell us about without compromising any plans?

Is this part of the cleanup of the planet, planned for the Aftertime?[and from another]Nature throws Humanity a Softball, provides Bugs that Digest PlasticApril 21, 2017https://www.yahoo.com/tech/nature-throws-humanity-softball-provides...Plastic is everywhere, and as far as the Earth is concerned it absolutely sucks. Scientists believe it can take anywhere from 400 to 1,000 years for common disposable plastic products like bags, bottles, and containers to break down after being thrown into a landfill — or flying out of your car window and into a ditch. That’s a long, long time, and it makes plastic a particularly bad pollutant. Now, researchers believe they’ve stumbled upon a natural plastic decomposition tool that has been crawling around right under our feet, in the form of Galleria mellonella, the greater wax moth. Scientists from Cambridge University just discovered that the moth’s larva can actually eat and break down plastic in a similar way to beeswax, which the moth regularly consumes. Once researchers know exactly how the moth is performing its trick they could apply that knowledge to large-scale efforts to biodegrade junk plastic in places where it causes the most problems, such as the ocean and other pollution hot spots.[and from another]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleria_mellonellaGalleria mellonella, the greater wax moth or honeycomb moth, is a moth of the family Pyralidae. It is the only member of the genus Galleria. It is found in most of the world, including Europe and adjacent Eurasia, its presumed native range, and as an introduced species on other continents, including North America and Australia. The caterpillar larvae, or waxworms, feed on the honeycomb inside bee nests and may become pests of apiculture. Less often, they are found in bumblebee and wasp nests, or feeding on dried figs. The larvae are commercially available.

SOZTHow does it happen that a moth is the ONLY member of a genus, the genus Galleria, yet is found throughout the world. This is not an accident, and this shy moth has not evolved on Earth. It is genetically engineered to be able to exist and flourish on Earth, though evolved on other worlds. Like many of the plants such as Cannabis, which is beneficial to countless diseases that afflict mankind, this moth is a transplant. It was foreseen that products made from the oil deposited on the hapless Earth by the many passages of Nibiru would evolve into trash that was resistant to decay. Thus, the engineers slipped in a solution, in the form of a lowly moth!EOZT

Hi, Nancy and Zetas! President Trump has revoked President Obama's Executive Order 13575 which the Zetas spoke at length about in their July 31, 2011 newsletter:

"The ZetaTalk NewsletterIssue 252, Sunday July 31, 2011Weekly news and views from around the world and beyond.

New ZetaTalk

Earth Changes

Announcements

Signs of the Times

Executive Order 13575

Per the Zeta, there are FEMA plans in place, instituted under Obama's direction, to accommodate massive numbers of homeless refugees when the New Madrid and other pending catastrophe's hit the US. Per Zeta predictions, which the Zetas have stated the Obama administration takes quite seriously, the Seaway will pull apart, the New Madrid adjustment will pull the center of the US on a diagonal, and the San Andreas will then adjust, setting off west coast volcanoes. The US will thus get a tripple whammy - Seaway, New Madrid, and West Coast. A year ago, on July 17, 2010, the Zetas revealed the status of FEMA plans under discussion.

ZetaTalkRevelation7/17/2010:We have mentioned that FEMA and the US government have plans for a worst case scenario, where so many tens of thousands, if not millions of people are homeless due to simultaneous disasters that they are literally standing in the rain. Such a state is conceivable for the New Madrid disaster, for instance. What then? We have mentioned worst case scenario plans such as a type of martial law edict that every home with a spare bedroom be required to house a homeless person or homeless family. Another option on the books is to confiscate idle farmland and transplant homeless families along with seed and gardening implements and flocks and herds, so that they are forced to feed themselves or starve. These groups would be of a similar cultural background to their neighbors for the least amount of friction during such a transplant operation. Beyond these two extremes, the situation today where homeless families are seeking assistance from local governments and churches and the worst case scenario, lie the zone where individuals will increasingly be encouraged to reach out and help their neighbors.

Now it seems these plans have firmed up, and are public in the form of Executive Order 13575! The Zetas have much to say about this very significant Executive Order.

Sixteen percent of the American population lives in rural counties. To enhance the Federal Government's efforts to address the needs of rural America, this order establishes a council. There is established a White House Rural Council (Council). The Secretary of Agriculture shall serve as the Chair of the Council, which shall also include the heads of the following executive branch departments, agencies, and offices: [25 federal agencies]. The heads of executive departments and agencies shall assist and provide information to the Council, consistent with applicable law, as may be necessary to carry out the functions of the Council. Each executive department and agency shall bear its own expense for participating in the Council.

ZetaTalkAnalysis7/23/2011:We revealed a year ago the FEMA plan under Obama, to deal with potentially millions of homeless during forthcoming disasters in the US. Executive Order 13575 is proof that this is the plan, despite whatever interpretation conspiracy websites might conclude. This is not part of the New World Order, nor is it targeting small farms or actively productive agricultural land. Take a look at the list of agencies in order 13575, 25 in total. It encompasses the entire federal government under the control of the Executive Branch!

The rational for this Rural Council is to assist rural areas, so why is the Department of Defense, Veteran Affairs, and Homeland Security involved? Guarding the borders from invasion will be replaced by guarding survivor camps, clearly, with the Federal Communications Commission on board to assist such endeavors.

If economic development is the goal, then why bother with Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, and Education? Such sociological infrastructure develops as a result of population increases, and their involvement is not required until such an increase occurs.

If survivor camps were to be setup on idle land, confiscated from farms of whatever size, and to include national parks, this would explain the inclusion of the Department of Justice, Interior, Domestic Policy, and placing Agriculture as the head of the council. Contracts would be broken, and lawsuits in this regard limited to the point of exclusion.

Economic development as the ruse would explain the inclusion of the Department of Commerce, Labor, Economic Advisors, Small Business Administration, and Science and Technology Policy. But building survivor camps in the interior would also require extensive coordination of existing labor pools.

If law enforcement is expected to be overwhelmed keeping order in survivor camps, with a need to relax law enforcement in other areas, this would explain the inclusion of Environmental Protection, Environmental Quality, and National Drug Control Policy. The rules designed to protect the environment over human interests would be relaxed.

If the Rural Council is to be funded from existing agency budgets, then why the inclusion of the Department of Treasury and the Office of Management and Budget? In the event of catastrophic Earth changes in the US, all funding would be diverted to priority issues."

President Trump has revoked President Obama's Executive Order 13575 which the Zetas spoke at length about in their July 31, 2011 newsletter.

(http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue252.htm)I do not see the heavy hand of the Department of Homeland Security listed in the new EO. Because the Zetas saw EO 13575 as significant, can they comment on this revised Executive Order?[and from another]https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/DCPD-201100431/pdf/DCPD-201100431.pdfAdministration of Barack Obama, 2011Sec. 3.Membership. (a) The Secretary of Agriculture shall serve as the Chair of theCouncil, which shall also include the heads of the following executive branch departments, agencies, and offices:(8) the Department of Housing and Urban Development;(12) the Department of Veterans Affairs;(13) the Department of Homeland Security;(23) the Council on Environmental Quality;(24) the White House Office of Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs;[and from another]https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/25/presidential...For Immediate Release April 25, 2017.Sec. 3. Membership. (a) The Secretary of Agriculture shall serve as Chair of the Task Force, which shall also include:(xx) the United States Trade Representative;(xxi) the Director of the National Science Foundation;

SOZTWhat is the significance of Trump’s changes to Obama’s 2011 EO 13575? Notably missing from Trump’s list are Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security, HUD and the EPA. This implies that the Trump administration wants the focus on the anticipated millions of new disaster victims to be other than EXISTING dependents already cared for by Veterans Affairs and HUD. He does not want the busy task force to even hear from the EPA, as pollution laws would be the least of their concerns.

Under Trump’s plan, the US Military, some form of Martial Law, would be involved in keeping the peace, along with local police departments. What role does FEMA have in this? Notably missing from Trump’s revised EO, FEMA is under Homeland Security, which itself is not listed. This EO should be considered focusing on the target location for disaster victims, not the epicenter of the disaster, thus. The epicenter of the disaster, such as New Madrid ravaged cities, would be the focus for Homeland Security and FEMA efforts.

The target locations are covered by Trump’s revised EO 13575. This division is to give focus to each agency involved, so they don’t stumble over each other or dilute their efforts. That this EO is being updated, at this time, speaks volumes. With all that is on Trump’s plate, during his first 100 days – Obamacare revision, N Koreas nuclear threat, promised tax cuts, Gorsuch appointment, and ISIS battles – he included revising this old EO of Obama’s as a priority. It says he expects this focus on developing survivor camps in rural areas SOON. EOZT

Prior 7/23/2011 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/23jy2011.htmWe revealed a year ago the FEMA plan under Obama, to deal with potentially millions of homeless during forthcoming disasters in the US. Executive Order 13575 is proof that this is the plan, despite whatever interpretation conspiracy websites might conclude. The rational for this Rural Council is to assist rural areas, so why is the Department of Defense, Veteran Affairs, and Homeland Security involved? Guarding the borders from invasion will be replaced by guarding survivor camps.