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i consider the boxes or any kief extraction device more of a tool than anything.

its like giving a hammer nails and wood to someone(non carpenter) and saying frame a house. yes you can do it but it is YOU that makes the dry sift. to bash the boxes is like someone bashing a hammer and nails cause they cant frame a house. the bubblebox is just a tool in my opinion(a quality one). if you want a quality tool for cleaning kief i would recommend the bubblebox and the screen set. the screen set works awesome. recently been using it to rough card bud over and i can still achieve a melty dry sift. even on the 107 great hashmaking/cleaning tools so id say bubblebox over those other boxes. thats just my opinion tho hehe. peace.

I get little piles of white crystal when using frozen trim and making light passes with the card yet this stuff still just burns. I first use an initial seperation with a broken 220u work bag stretched over a bowl. Freeze this for a half an hour, card it for 3-4 minutes in the box then back into the freezer and repeat. I make about 6 full swipes back and fourth in this time period. then gently swipe the small collection on the next screen. Thats just one method I tried unsuccessfully to get clear dome sift. But if you need some kind of special training to use it as you imply, which is beyond what ever Im doing, (I only spent hours on this site before I decided to get this item) then that should be clairified to other potential buyers of the bubble box.

are you magnifying? if so do you see LOTS of heads? and if you see LOTS of heads does it STILL not melt? cause if you see LOTS of heads and its STILL not melting that would be frustrating no doubt. lemme know. magnification is almost necessary cause they all look like golden piles but when you magnify you see otherwise. so lemme know if your at least magnifying or whats going on.

Im still trying to get a jewlers loupe. Right now all I have is a 5x magnifying glass and a 420 scope and they both are a pain in the ass to use. But on some of my runs there was a bunch of stalks in there so to be honest Im not toatally sure what amount of heads to stalks that make it through the 104u. I ve tried 3 strains and a few different methods and nothing.

Anhedonia - don't give up! I know you can produce excellent quality dry sifted hash..try the following dry sifting method with your Bubble Box....also check out other dry sifting threads here at fmb.com...and I'm sure you will get there.

Probably the easiest way to get melty dry sift is to do two "runs", the first for quality (melty) and the second run for quantity (to remove all the resin heads from the material)....lets deal with the quality run, the aim is to separate about 10% ~ 20% of the resin on the material on this first run through, this should be done gently with bud that is dried, cured and properly stored for several months or more for best results.

Remove the three mesh frames from the Bubble Box, as they are easier to work with that way.
Lightly grind or break up frozen buds over the top screen, a few grams at a time.
Use a massage vibrator on the side of top of the frame or tap the side or top of the frame with a padded drum type stick or simply pick up the frames and use a very gentle horizontal oscillating action for a minute or so.
Lift up the top frame, and over a container, plate or tray you have nearby, up turn the frame and tap the wooden frame a few times to remove the lightly sifted material and then lightly grind another few frozen over the top mesh and repeat.
Once you have worked the material, use the Bubble Box card to scrape up all the powder that has fallen through the top mesh onto the second two meshes and put this on the top mesh that has previously been tapped out upside to make sure it is clean.
Use vibration with carding, tapping, oscillations or carding until about 3/4 of the kif has passed through the top mesh.
With a 20x or 30x magnifying glass check out the stuff that remains on top of the mesh, this should be mostly non-active stalks and broken up plant matter with a small % of resin heads.
You can resift the fall through again through the top mesh, monitor your progress with a magnifying glass, but make sure you stop before you add more contaminants to the lower meshes (it's best to not allow the crap in rather than try to remove it later which is why a vibrating stack of frames alone won't produce great quality dry sift) A magnifying glass is an asset to the dry sifter.
Remove the top frame and set it aside.
Use a combination of vibration with scraping a card over the second mesh until about 3/4 has passed through this second mesh screen. Repeat this again, making sure to up turn the screen frame and tap it several times to clean it, then scrape up the dry sift on the 3rd mesh and resift it on the second mesh frame until about 3/4 has passed through again.
Now that the resin is sitting on the third mesh, use a combination of vibration and a plastic card screed the resin to and fro over the mesh. The round shaped resin heads larger than 70 micron will remain about the mesh, the bits of leaf and stalks will eventually get broken up by the carding action and will pass through this third mesh screen. This takes more time than all the other steps put together.
Keeping working the resin over the third mesh until about 20% ~50% has passed through the mesh while monitoring your progress with a magnifying glass.
The stuff that passes through will be mostly non-active stuff with some small trichomes. The resin that stays above the mesh will, depending on your technique and the quality of the starting material, be mostly resin heads and will bubble and melt.

and once that's done, rework the material through the box to separate all the remaining resin heads. I usually grind the material more finer and card it through the top two meshes several times...resifting while monitoring your progress with a mag glass will improve this rough kif into decent quality hash that will form into a solid with thumb in palm pressure....it's my opinion that if loose dry sift won't form into a solid form with just thumb pressure then there's too much rubbish in there and not enough resin heads.

There's a lot of satisfaction from producing and inhaling hash with such purity. A pea sized amount of this loose resin powder that you've cleaned over the 70 micron mesh will give an excellent buzz that will hard hit your forehead and warm your ears and will be 15 times cleaner for your lungs than the bud it came from. Since this resin is so pure you can inhale and hold it longer than bud, much like vaping.
The best thing about smoking quality dry sift is that you will wake up in the morning feeling fresh and clean, not hung over from inhaling lots of hay which you get from burning bud.

A good way to use your mag glass is to scoop up a little bit of material or resin on the Bubble Box card and hold it close to a light and then check it out.

When trying to get full melt kief.... its much more dependent on strain than it is what box your using. If I grind up a few grams of lemon skunk on over my box I get a few bowls of full melty kiefy good ness, I can grind up 3 oz of MSS over my box and have a buncha kief, but none is full melt.

I'll get full melt outa my single screen box every day of the week..... just gotta grind green on it and it be the right strain. I use a 2 piece grinder and all my green gets ground on this screen before I smoke.... I dont do anything else with it.

With that said, maybe with a multiscreen box i'd be able to get the full melt outa MSS. Sure i'd like a multiscreen box some day. However its just not feasible right now.... Gotta save to move and start all over again soon.

A buddy of mine uses a wicca box to break nug over and it collects a very large amount of very fine somewhat melty dry sift. it's almost like a persian golden color, very fine also. it only took him two weeks to collect a decent amount of dry sift from the wicca box, i think there were 2 screens in it as well. seeing his finished product made me really want to get one honestly and especially after we smoked some haha.

when it comes to producing melty dry sift, I find the strain used is less important than the mesh sizes used in relation to the trichome size, correct damage-free storage of the material and the technique used. A gentle technique used to small amount of quality dry sifted resin is what you should aim for.

grinding up your material then trying to separate the rubbish is more difficult than not letting in all that broken up leaf matter in the first place.

with all things being equal (technique, starting material etc) if you like the quality of the dry sift that the dual screen Wikka boxes can produce, then you will love the quality you will get from a Bubble box or the Bubbleman set of 4 dry sifting screens.

both the dual screen Wikkas and the Bubbleboxes use similar sized mesh screens...except the set of 4 screens has a stainless steel "work"mesh on top and the Bubble box has a much finer 3rd screen that helps removes lots of contaminant.