D1 agreed but how far did you get the D4 and was it a proto or FR? Mine is FR and it is controllable at 430'. In 29 F so it will be interesting to see how it fares when i'm clothed for summer and have grip and the air allows a little longer throws just from the temp change. Yes it flips for me but not uncontrollably. I have too few throws to say about predictability but from calm to mild winds it was fine in all wind directions. Unusual for a disc that glides so well. YMMV because you probably get a lot more speed on your disc.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

I have thrown Proto and 1st run D4s. I was getting a proto out near 475-500ft, but I could try to throw identical lines and get vastly different types of flight at this distance. Reminded me of the Astra/Archon, you get some amazing shots, but the squirrely ones aren't worth the trouble.

I am sure they will figure it out and the drivers work just fine, they just aren't my cup of tea unless I am being paid to throw them.

The 1st runs seemed to be less stable, and generally would all flip up and forward. The Proto I threw was the touchy one

I really hope that the squirrelyness has been removed in the production ones because my FR is fine so far. At less power than what you have and speed stability is an obvious danger at your power. Even though i did get good headwind shots without problems simulating your calm weather power. But do the winds ever die down over there is another matter. I haven't thrown Astras and the Archon is nowhere near as good fading out shorter and earlier last year or my power is really going up from losing weight, recovering from surgery, hitting the gym and the bicycle At least the Archon flips more than the D4 FR. I would imagine the Astra being slower at least thus shorter even though i've read reports of it having good glide and D for the power requirement. I would have thought the Astra is shorter than the D4.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

placed 2nd at Gonzo. good start to the year, but my approach game with my putters was way off. It wouldn't have gotten me the strokes I needed to win, but it would have felt better to not over shoot stuff like an AM. Good news is I got some new Omega Big beads on Monday. They promptly went in the bag, and are working like a dream on the course.

Very simple bag. Ended up carrying 2 FBs just to get a rotation going. My main Star FB has seen a lot of action now that I have added a better forehand to my arsenal. So the new resists high speed better, but I also wanted to get more comfortable so that I could trust it if I lost my main FB. Also added a brand new(but old run) QJLS. It is the old red candy run, my favorite type of QJLS and is dead on identical to my other 2 in the bag. Nice to be able to reach down and see 3 discs from the same run in 3 different conditions. Dropped the gator because it was only used on certain courses, but it will remain in the car if I need it.

Omega Driver/Experimental - putterOmega SS Big Bead - approach putter, any line I needOmega AP Big Bead - straight stable drivesP-P2 proto run - Has more high speed resistance, and low speed dump than the big beads. got 10 of these, might as well use them...

Aurora MS 1.7 - can count on it to always turn from any angle I put it on. Stiff flat old kc pro driver plastic, the kind most people think is CE but really isn't.CE QMS x2 - 1 seasoned, 1 freshRoc3 Glow Champion - flat and stableQ-Sentinel Sanny - made a return. always a fun midrange

Dropped my AP 1.11 since I found my SS Big Bead taking over almost all of my approach duties. I wanted to try adding the P-P2 again for driving so the AP 1.11 was the putter that had to go. Really don't like carrying more than 4 putters at a time

This 1.7 AMS is really nice. I have held a few but never got to throw one. Super nice old plastic and really damn flat. The profile is a lot like my flat CE QMS, but the plastic is different - more pro with a hint of CE. I can throw this thing on huge flips and turnovers, like a beat up DX roc. But will fly dead straight at low power and in tailwinds. Also replaced the gator with a Sentinel for my next few tournaments. And I just like to revisit discs weekly

My drivers really never change, ever. The Scorpius has definitely earned its place over any wraith, dd or destroyer I try in that spot. It just does it all. And really the QOLF goes just as far as a speed 11 when needed. Added the Test Config PD for straight forehands, acts like a seasoned Star Firebird.

The MD3 has been a real treat to throw. The mold isn't that much different from the flat top MD2s, and to me it really just looks like they combined the Roc3 top and the MD2...Which basically is the flat top MD2s. Anyways it is more stable and holds hyzer lines better than the MD2. This of course has made me revisit my box of MD2s to find something that pairs with it! If the MD2 is like a buzzz, the MD3 flies more like a Roc. Here's to hoping the MD3 maintains this stability upon stock release

Sounds like overlap between that MD3 and flat MD2s then. I imagine regular plastics would behave differently and i saw three different dome heights with Roc3s at the shop where i got mine from and i picked a flat one.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Which plastic MD2 with a flat top flips for you? I know that you have more power than i do but i could not get a flat C MD2 to flip at all from a flat full power throw.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Yup mine was a 180 and at my power it could not flip at all the weight difference and your power makes sense for the lighter one to flip and i'm impressed that you could flip the 180 C MD2 if wind was not playing a part.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.