That’s what Im thinking. Jeremy Jacobs is so in favor of a canceled NHL season because he’ll get Tim Thomas (the goalie who will do whatever it takes to win, risk life and limb for victory) back next season. Rask isn’t terrible, but he’s not great.

If I were the Rangers owner, and Mike Dunham were the goalie prior to a lockout, I’d push for a canceled season too so nobody else could win what I knew my team couldn’t win.

True, Carp, but we havent seen much budge from the owners and we know Jacobs leads the owners.

ilb, it’s not a huge “if” whether Thomas comes back. Trust me. He’ll come back. If there is a season this year, I wouldnt even be surprised if Thomas has already spent enough time with his family and decides to play a 4 month season.

Eric, Isles won’t buy out anyone. They are trying to stay just above the cap floor. Why spend a whole bunch of up front dollars to buy out a guy that gets injured all the time (and presumably those periods are covered by insurance) when they would then have to go out and fill the void left by his cap hit as well.

Does the buyout take a guy off the cap? If so, no point in buying out Redden. He’s got either 2 years left on contract, or is in final year. Depending on new salary cap number or if players can still be Whaled with new CBA, Rangers could Whale him again or still be well under salary cap with him not Whaled. If you only get 1 buyout that takes a player off cap, Id save it for Richards down the line.

Also, as a matter of principle, Id make him suffer in the AHL as long as possible. He only has a limited number of years to possibly play NHL hockey. Steal it away from him like he stole our money

Prior to the lockout ilb, Rangers were at least $10M under the cap. Depending on new salary cap #, no reason to buy him out with 1 or 2 years left on deal unless the buyout must be used by a deadline. Is the buyout like an amnesty in relation to the salary cap?

At the moment, the NHL is aiming at cap of $60M next year, Tiki. His $6.5M will count against the cap, that’s more than 10% dead weight in AHL. No way they’ll keep him. One time buy out gets him off the cap, while his salary still counts against the players’ share.

Because if you’re trying to trade for a player(s) from another team at the trade deadline, and the player(s) from the other team have multiple years left on their contract(s), the Rangers or any team can get the player(s) for lesser value in terms of talent if they give an expiring contract to the other team.

So you’re trading an expiring contract plus lesser talent in exchange for a player(s) with more money owed to him over a longer period of time. It saves money over the long term for the team trading for the expiring contract.

Also, a team looking to add depth at the deadline for a playoff run might take a flyer on Redden at the trade deadline of the 2013-2014 season knowing his cap hit is less than $3M and thinking he might provide something on the ice.

they’d still have to fit the entire year cap hit under their cap. only way anybody takes Redden is if he is bought out and signs a deal for low dollars. then he will definitely have takes. he will have no takers with the current cap hit, expiring or not.

1) The amnesty buyout will likely function like it did last time: It’s a one-time measure to afford teams immediate relief in order to have cap compliance. It won’t be something that you can keep in your pocket for a one time mulligan at any point during the CBA.

2) Even if the new CBA allows for burying contracts in the AHL, Redden’s cap hit still hurts the Rangers ever summer when he is on their summer cap. His cap hit eats the overage allowance every summer.

3) NHL contracts will likely not be allowed to be buried in the minors and there is no way they carry his salary on the main roster.

Looked at the NHL’s offer. No one can say they have not bargained in good faith now. The CBA needs to be longer than 3 years. Six years, up to 7 is long enough for those ridiculous player contracts that only work to put money in the players’ bank account with absolutely no accountability towards the team or sport. Enough already.

Time for Fehr to grab a few more items to justify his pay and be done with his grasp on this great game.

Matty, one good offer on Dec. 28 means they’ve bargained in good faith? … the CBA will be 10 years with an eighth-year opt out. which means, unless the Mayans go for a do-over, we will have another lockout or strike in eight years.

Doodie, if you’re #1 and #3 are accurate, then yes he will be bought out. #2 doesnt really matter. He’s only on the roster for 1 more summer.

You guys are arguing semantics, that expiring contracts have no value by itself. They especially have value by itself in the case of teams that are barely over the salary floor and look to dump a player they no longer want with a reasonably high contract. For example, a player with limited talent and $4M salary (Brandon Dubinsky). The team would need to match up salaries or take more salary in a trade to stay above the salary floor.

No, Carp. You’re wrong. When you trade for a player at trade deadline, only the player’s pro-rated cap hit is on your cap for the remainder of the season.

Wouldn’t go as far as saying expiring contracts can’t be trade commodities of some value in some circumstances, but (without being much of a bouncyball expert) it doesn’t seem as viable as the NBA tactic.

(And Anson Carter had a year-plus left on his deal at the time of the Jagr trade…)

Tiki, this year’s (whatever is left on it) cap will have no meaning. It’ll be a transition year to allow for current salaries to continue. The one-time buy out they are proposing is for 2013-2014 year. Redden will have one year at $6.5M left ($5M) salary. Even if the NHLPA negotiates better than $60M cap hit, it’s still too much dead weight to keep in AHL. I haven’t looked at capgeek, but I believe the Rangers will have very little flexibility left even without Redden being on the books. He’s as good as gone.

“When an in-season trade is made the cap hit the team takes on is a pro-rated amount of the players average annual salary. The formula: The average yearly salary for the player, divided by the number of days in the season (186) and then multiplied by the number of days remaining in the season (41 days on deadline day).”

We’ve had a nice discussion. I’m sure you guys are right, that Redden will be bought out. Im just not sure I agree with it, especially without having the details of a new CBA and our cap numbers in relation to the salary cap.

How is Gabby doing? Can he play baseball with his shoulder? Amazing, how RR faithful activated from hibernation in balk, with even slightest sight of Hope for season. Two good things comes if season will be saved – No more discussions about fatigue in a playoff and opportunity to start immediate speculations about trades coming right now, before February deadline. (btw, not sure how does it works – like in regular season?)

The first round pick the Sharks got along with the late Vladimir Malakhov from Lou “No Cap Circumvention Here” Lamoriello ended up being traded for 16 games and two playoff rounds of Bill Guerin’s expiring contract.

It is funny that this place went nuts again when a little news trickled out. I don’t want to get my hopes up but we could really have a 48 game schedule in place by January 11th. This could be the one.

Or we could just wake up tomorrow to, “Conference Call highlighted that we are _very_ far apart and no talks are scheduled” – Bill Daly

Just wanted to add my two cents on the latest offer from the league. I think the biggest carrot here is the performance bonus not counting against the cap. This is a huge loophole that can be exploited by high end revenue teams and allow them to sign free agents in a very creative way. They could offer a player an amount of money against the cap and a much larger but easily attainable personal performance and team performance bonuses. It may also save teams from themselves and prevent the Redden and Gomez type contracts from killing their cap
Fehr and the NHPA should jump at this deal!

2. Not really a big deal. On a terrible team, some guys that aren’t really good can be stat compilers. Even a bad team has to score occasionally. Wouldnt surprise me if Dubinsky scored some in the extensive garbage time the Blue Jackets are accustomed to playing.

some absolute truths are; the owners are friggin greedy morons and there are about 5 teams that should move including; debbies, islanders, phx. cbj., and florida…

the moron dope owners at a minumum have destroyed 1/2 the season and since the players are not revolting and back stabbing each other the owners are screwed… newsflash certain teams cannot survive financially ie they should be moved……….

I was fortunate to have had dinner with Adam Graves two years ago. What was said about him above is true. He is a very very special person. We were blessed to have him in a Rangers uniform and to continue to have his services.

It was the 06-07 season, i had season tickets at the time and i had worn my Adam Graves Jersey to every game since probably the 96 season, except the game before i had just purchased my new Petr Prucha Jersey (couldnt tell you where it is now). I had entered the garden from the club enterance as i usually had and the Rangers were doing some type of event for season ticket holders in the purples and Adam Graves was singing autographs, somone standing outside the event said to me they had a ticket, they didnt wanna use, to get in to meet him if i wanted it. Of course i took it and went in, he signed a picture of himself he was giving to the attendies but i told him the story about how i ALWAYS wore his jersey but of course the FIRST game i wear my Prucha Jersey, my luck, i meet my childhood idol.

The great man that Mr Graves is, asked me if i was coming to the next game, when i told him yes he gave me a time and a place in the garden to meet him so he could sign my jersey.

The next game when i got to the spot where i was supposed to meet him he had security blocking off where he was and they stopped me and told me i could not go up to him to have him sign my jersey. He saw me, recognized me, came over to the security and told them to let me through and signed my jersey. One of my best Rangers Memories of all time! He is a true scholar and a gentleman!

IBleed, that is a great story and it doesn’t surprise me a bit that he did that. A true gentleman who is humble as the day is long.

I was so very fortunate to have sat for about 2 hours with my 18 year old son, about 10 other people, and Adam for dinner. My son was next to him, me next to my son. He told some great stories about Esa Tikkanen, Coach K, Mess, etc. Very comical and special stuff. But the best was him talking about his childhood, mother, father and family. Above all, when we were parting, he pulled my highly impressionable son towards him and put his arm around him, walking away for privacy. My son told me later that Adam told him that while hockey is great it has it’s place and that family is the most important thing in life. He told him to always make time for family and to cherish his moments, which should be daily, with his parents, brother and sister.

In college my professor wanted my english class to write an essay about a role model, I mentioned who mine was going to be on and the teacher told the class athelets were not allowed because there not true role models. I wrote the essay about graves anyway and recieved an A despite the teachers restriction

czechthemout!!! December 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Hi guys. First post in a long time . Hope everyone is doing well.

Just wanted to add my two cents on the latest offer from the league. I think the biggest carrot here is the performance bonus not counting against the cap. This is a huge loophole that can be exploited by high end revenue teams and allow them to sign free agents in a very creative way. They could offer a player an amount of money against the cap and a much larger but easily attainable personal performance and team performance bonuses. It may also save teams from themselves and prevent the Redden and Gomez type contracts from killing their cap
Fehr and the NHPA should jump at this deal!

You are right, “not so sure”, performance bonuses not to be counted against cap floor, not the upper limit. There is something about availability of performance bonus cushion every year of CBA, but it isn’t clear what it means. I doubt the league would leave that obvious loophole and allow performance bonuses to not count against the cap. A few more things aren’t that clear, like “Cap Advantage Recapture” formula applicable to existing long-term contracts, and Ability for Clubs to retain/allocate Salary and Cap Charges in the context of Player Trades within specified parameters. I guess the details will be available later. Most still think $60M cap next year could be an issue.

always so hard for me to fathom all the hate on a 22-year-old kid with so much upside, who was so good in the playoffs (and, who, by the way, does have a good work ethic) … but I am starting to find out that every player is disliked by a certain portion of fans. don’t understand it, but it’s the truth.

Quite happy to make a joke at his expense, but I don’t give a damn what MDZ does off the ice and don’t expect him to provide visual evidence of his 24-hours-a-day training regime (though he does tweet that too).

And most of the dislike of his on-ice play wasn’t justified last year.

Carp,
Del Zotto may have earned some of the dislike before Torts sent him to the minors…however
his game last season was far better than I expected and like you said, he is still soooo young…
freakin’ idiots…

I was kidding around. I wanted to get my MDZero joke in somehow. Played well, but has room and time for improvement in the areas I specified. I do, though, get disgusted by tweets of athletes. Focus on your job, find ways to get better.

Michael Jordan. If he could keep playing now, he’d want to destroy the competition, his will to compete and win was 2nd to none. I guess players with that heart and desire come once in a lifetime.

If so many people here have a problem with MDZ and his tweeting of his activities that any and every young adult with any sense of a social life partakes in i dont even want to know what people here would think about Carey Price going coyote hunting and tweeting a picture of the carcass in his hands.

One thing I will say for MDZ is he played more physical on Chris Neil than the whole team combined in the playoffs, with a edge of chippyness just to get under his skin. And I do think his upside is huge. So he likes hot girls. Wow! Let him go and we will be calling him Ricky Middleton II