(26-10-2013 08:10 AM)Chas Wrote: A ball of cells is not a baby. No exceptions.

It is a human, with unique DNA and so on. It has it's own spirit. If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. Always use contraceptives.

You're a bundle of cells too lol!

It is not a human until it has a central nervous system and a brain. It is merely a growth of tissue, much like a tumor before that. Once it can feel and perceive things, the picture changes drastically.

Don't have sex? What about rape?

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man

(26-10-2013 08:10 AM)Chas Wrote: A ball of cells is not a baby. No exceptions.

It is a human, with unique DNA and so on. It has it's own spirit. If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. Always use contraceptives.

You're a bundle of cells too lol!

You necro'd the thread to crap out that?

I mean, you could have bumped a more recent discussion of abortion; Muffsy's from a couple weeks ago, perhaps...

A unique genome is not sufficient to constitute 'human'. Surely you must realize this? One might consider chimaeras and identical siblings. Not least of all one might mention that genomes can be non-physical.

Your mention of 'spirit' (which you then do not define - of course) leads me to mention the fact that a very large percentage of successful fertilizations (which we may crudely say constitute creating 'unique DNA') are not viable and fail spontaneously.

Consider how death is defined. It is when brain activity ceases. Do you accept this as valid? If so, it is only consistent to accept that, as life ends absent brain activity, life begins with the presence of brain activity. This is roughly halfway into pregnancy.