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12-16-2012 09:58 PM

smurphny

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by chef2sail

So the boyant line keeps the shackle from sinking? The MOB has to find the shackle and attach it to what? Ring on PFD. Can you lift dead weight with this. Suppose person doent have PFD with built in ahrness, where do you attach shackle?

Just asking? Sorry?

I think I'd also worry a bit about a topping lift carrying that much weight. And what do you do if the sail/boom is flapping about? A good sturdy whisker pole might be a better alternative, held up by a spinnaker halyard. Any pole idea like this could be a disaster in rough conditions. A simple rope ladder, amidships at the center of the boat's pivot point might be as effective as anything. Getting a heavy, incapable or out of shape (ie FAT) person back on a boat is certainly a major problem. I have installed a telescoping ladder on an emergency shackle that can be pulled down from the water but it is on the transom and would be a challenge to grab if I had to use it in a heavy sea. Any way you slice it, the best idea is to stay tethered.

12-16-2012 09:41 PM

chef2sail

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by smurphny

That sounds like a good system. What kind of gear do you have on the end of the line for the person to either sit in or grab onto?

So the boyant line keeps the shackle from sinking? The MOB has to find the shackle and attach it to what? Ring on PFD. Can you lift dead weight with this. Suppose person doent have PFD with built in ahrness, where do you attach shackle?

Just asking? Sorry?

12-16-2012 03:20 PM

smurphny

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrd22

There has always been something that bothers me about the normal lifesling/horseshoe/ring MOB procedure. It seems unnecessarily complicated which is exactly what you want to avoid in an emergency. I've never understood why it's acceptable to expect the MOB to have to get out of a horseshoe or ring and get themselves into the lifesling horseshoe while panicked, possibly injured, in rough water and, in our area, suffering from hypothermia. I want something available (and USCG approved) to throw (throws well, even into wind) that will ultimately be what is used to winch them out of the water. Getting a line attached to it once the boat is close enough should only involve the MOB having to attach a snap on the end of a floating line. I also don't want to have to open a container of any kind to get to it. Manufacturers?

For getting back on the boat I have a long shackle permanently attached to the end fitting on the boom and a large snap shackle available to put on it to run the retrieval line through, then another snap shackle on a padeye on deck to feed to the sheet winch. Works on either side of the cockpit.

That sounds like a good system. What kind of gear do you have on the end of the line for the person to either sit in or grab onto?

12-15-2012 06:49 PM

zeehag

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

i have a ring. but who is gonna toss it to me when and if i fall ob from my solo sailed boat

12-15-2012 05:20 PM

jackdale

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingwelshman

Would a Lifesling be classified as a 'lifebuoy'?

Not in Canada. Our lifebuoys are liferings.

12-15-2012 03:40 PM

Faster

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrd22

IIRC, wasn't your son in that race Ron?

Yes, John... Luckily they realized prestart how bad it was going to be and bailed. They were struggling just getting the MELGES 32 to the start area.

12-15-2012 03:22 PM

flyingwelshman

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale

That is correct. A lifering with 15 meters of buoyant line attached is required on vessels over 9 meters.

A couple of years back we had a wicked Easter storm roll through a fairly major local race fleet.. long known as a possible 'gear buster', the race was actually called (first time in its history) Several vessels damaged, one swamped with people in the water. All were rescued through the utter heroics of a nearby crew, themselves in distress with huge seas and 50K winds. One of the MOBs had been in the water a while, was nearly comotose and unable to help himself and it took the entire crew over 20 minutes to get him aboard once they were alongside (a J30 - not exactly esp. high freeboard)

As far as I know this crew was never properly recognized for their selfless action..

MOB drills are a good idea and important, but that episode certainly brings home the difference between a benign condition practice and the 'real' thing. Magnitudes of difficulty apart. What John (jrd) is proposing is really important.. a simple, instinctive, quick to deploy method/apparatus/plan for such occasions.. is there really such a thing?

12-15-2012 12:20 PM

jrd22

Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

There has always been something that bothers me about the normal lifesling/horseshoe/ring MOB procedure. It seems unnecessarily complicated which is exactly what you want to avoid in an emergency. I've never understood why it's acceptable to expect the MOB to have to get out of a horseshoe or ring and get themselves into the lifesling horseshoe while panicked, possibly injured, in rough water and, in our area, suffering from hypothermia. I want something available (and USCG approved) to throw (throws well, even into wind) that will ultimately be what is used to winch them out of the water. Getting a line attached to it once the boat is close enough should only involve the MOB having to attach a snap on the end of a floating line. I also don't want to have to open a container of any kind to get to it. Manufacturers?

For getting back on the boat I have a long shackle permanently attached to the end fitting on the boom and a large snap shackle available to put on it to run the retrieval line through, then another snap shackle on a padeye on deck to feed to the sheet winch. Works on either side of the cockpit.

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