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modernityblogsaid,

skidmarxsaid,

Of course if someone isn’t a supporter of Shamir, modernity is happy to lie about it:Skidmarx would? As he’s denied most other things:…
4) Counterpunch’s continual slip into antisemitism and their push of Israel Shamir, the Far Rightist.

But let’s not forget the every changing Skidmarx (one minute tactically opposing it, then later steaming in)

“skidmarx said…

I will note that I’m not impressed that Israel Shamir is one of the sources cited in the original article. But if we’re to dismiss the whole thing because of that, then we should do the same with wikileaks where Shamir has done its Russian translations,and
passed himself off as its ambassador in Belarus.

skidmarxsaid,

I’d be glad for them to read that thread to see you avoiding the subject of the post.

From indefensible to not impressed,
What a pile of shit your mounding up to defend your lie. Iwasn’t impressed because Shamir would seem to be indefensible. Did you get any education at all, and should we be impressed with your constant references to mine? I mean, what are you trying to achieve by that? Is there some point you’re scoring, something I should be embarrassed by? You’re an idiot.

The rest of your case is more or less carefully worded bullshit. I’ve never had anything nice to say about Gilad Atzmon, but don’t happen to share your worldview in which he is constantly an important figure because the SWP can be constantly vilified for ever having anything to do with him, and anyone who does condemn him and them and shrilly as you is a racist. Seven Jewish Children I don’t know much about not having seen it, though of course the same rule applies that anyone who doesn’t share your view is a racist, though the most I can really say is that your charge that it must be racist because it has the word “Jewish” in the title, and a play called “Seven Muslim Children” would be automatically objectionable, is horseshit.
I think on the same thread you link to is my comment on Weir’s supposed “nasty racism”, I think I can happily stand by that.

modernityblogsaid,

I am sure that Skidmarx’s condescending middle-class tone worked when he was in Oxbridge but it doesn’t work with the working-class.

His inability to engage with the question of why Counterpunch publishes a stream of antisemitic filth is noticeable.

It doesn’t occur to him to ask questions, or tried to form a conclusion from the evidence.

His inability to directly address these questions and others lead you to wonder why he expend so much energy denying the bleeding obvious.

For example, on the topic of Seven Jewish children,

1)initially he said he hadn’t seen it
2) then when provided with a link to the text of the play and even a video, he tries a different tack.
3) in the end he abdicates intellectually on the topic of anti-Jewish racism.

He can’t even decide if a play which negatively portrays one ethnic minority, and only one in a detrimental light could even be *considered* to be racist, that is the level of his wilful ignorance.

skidmarxsaid,

)initially he said he hadn’t seen it
I still haven’t seen it. That hasn’t changed.

But let’s not let modernity wriggle away from the lie here.

Here’s what modernity said:Skidmarx would? As he’s denied most other things:…
4) Counterpunch’s push of Israel Shamir, the Far Rightist.

and here’s what I said:Some of the things Counterpunch does may be indefensible (the first couple of things Weinberg mentioned among them)
And what were those first couple of things?Excuse me, running “journalism” by the Holocaust-denier (and apparent collaborationist with the Lukashenko dictatorship) Israel Shamir is not vile? Making a cause celebre of fellow Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel is not vile?

So let’s run through this slowly so that modernity can follow. I say that Counterpunch running articles by Israel Shamir is indefensible. Modernity says that I have denied Counterpunch’s push of Israel Shamir. To say so once may be an unfortunate misstatement, to repeat it when it is so obviously untrue is a lie. It doesn’t matter whether it was your primary focus, it’s still a lie. It doesn’t matter if I haven’t engaged with your agenda on Counterpunch (actually I questioned all the allegations against Counterpunch except on Shamir and Zundel, and you simply refused to discuss them, so that’s another gross misstatement), it’s still a lie.
One might wonder why he expend so much energy denying the bleeding obvious.Perhaps its because his whole internet methodology is based on twisting the words of others in the hope they mean what he wants them to mean, yet refuses ever to allow any probe of his own views in like manner, because he is a petty little control freak who thinks he knows what everyone is “really” saying and can determine the political agenda. Sadly delusional man who can’t stand up and admit that this accusation about Shamir is a whopper of a falsehood.

modernityblogsaid,

Forgetting all the rest of skidmarx’s stupidity, reading his inane comments I can now understand why he has difficulty with searching out Seven Jewish children, even after I have provided a link to him.

modernityblogsaid,

“No children appear in the play. The speakers are adults, the parents and if you like other relations of the children. The lines can be shared out in any way you like among those characters. The characters are different in each small scene as the time and child are different.

1

Tell her it’s a game

Tell her it’s serious

But dont frighten her

Dont tell her they’ll kill her

Tell her it’s important to be quiet

Tell her she’ll have cake if she’s good

Tell her to curl up as if she’s in bed

But not to sing.

Tell her not to come out

Tell her not to come out even if she hears shouting

Dont frighten her

Tell her not to come out even if she hears nothing for a long time

Tell her we’ll come and find her

Tell her we’ll be here all the time.

Tell her something about the men

Tell her they’re bad in the game

Tell her it’s a story

Tell her they’ll go away

Tell her she can make them go away if she keeps still

By magic

But not to sing.

2

Tell her this is a photograph of her grandmother, her uncles and me

Tell her her uncles died

Dont tell her they were killed

Tell her they were killed

Dont frighten her.

Tell her her grandmother was clever

Dont tell her what they did

Tell her she was brave

Tell her she taught me how to make cakes

Dont tell her what they did

Tell her something

Tell her more when she’s older.

Tell her there were people who hated jews

Dont tell her

Tell her it’s over now

Tell her there are still people who hate jews

Tell her there are people who love jews

Dont tell her to think jews or not jews

Tell her more when she’s older

Tell her how many when she’s older

Tell her it was before she was born and she’s not in danger

Dont tell her there’s any question of danger.

Tell her we love her

Tell her dead or alive her family all love her

Tell her her grandmother would be proud of her.

3

Dont tell her we’re going forever

Tell her she can write to her friends, tell her her friends can maybe come and visit

Tell her it’s sunny there

Tell her we’re going home

Tell her it’s the land God gave us

Dont tell her religion

Tell her her great great great great lots of greats grandad lived there

Dont tell her he was driven out

Tell her, of course tell her, tell her everyone was driven out and the country is waiting
for us to come home

Dont tell her she doesnt belong here

Tell her of course she likes it here but she’ll like it there even more.

Tell her it’s an adventure

Tell her no one will tease her

Tell her she’ll have new friends

Tell her she can take her toys

Dont tell her she can take all her toys

Tell her she’s a special girl

Tell her about Jerusalem.
4

Dont tell her who they are

Tell her something

Tell her they’re bedouin, they travel about

Tell her about camels in the desert and dates

Tell her they live in tents

Tell her this wasnt their home

Dont tell her home, not home, tell her they’re going away

Dont tell her they dont like her

Tell her to be careful.

Dont tell her who used to live in this house

No but dont tell her her great great grandfather used to live in this house

No but dont tell her Arabs used to sleep in her bedroom.

Tell her not to be rude to them

Tell her not to be frightened

Dont tell her she cant play with the children

Dont tell her she can have them in the house.

Tell her they have plenty of friends and family

Tell her for miles and miles all round they have lands of their own

Tell her again this is our promised land.

Dont tell her they said it was a land without people

Dont tell her I wouldnt have come if I’d known.

Tell her maybe we can share.

Dont tell her that.

5

Tell her we won

Tell her her brother’s a hero

Tell her how big their armies are

Tell her we turned them back

Tell her we’re fighters

Tell her we’ve got new land.

6

Dont tell her

Dont tell her the trouble about the swimming pool

Tell her it’s our water, we have the right

Tell her it’s not the water for their fields

Dont tell her anything about water.

Dont tell her about the bulldozer

Dont tell her not to look at the bulldozer

Dont tell her it was knocking the house down

Tell her it’s a building site

Dont tell her anything about bulldozers.

Dont tell her about the queues at the checkpoint

Tell her we’ll be there in no time

Dont tell her anything she doesnt ask

Dont tell her the boy was shot

Dont tell her anything.

Tell her we’re making new farms in the desert

Dont tell her about the olive trees

Tell her we’re building new towns in the wilderness.

Dont tell her they throw stones

Tell her they’re not much good against tanks

Dont tell her that.

Dont tell her they set off bombs in cafes

Tell her, tell her they set off bombs in cafes

Tell her to be careful

Dont frighten her.

Tell her we need the wall to keep us safe

Tell her they want to drive us into the sea

Tell her they dont

Tell her they want to drive us into the sea.

Tell her we kill far more of them

Dont tell her that

Tell her that

Tell her we’re stronger

Tell her we’re entitled

Tell her they dont understand anything except violence

Tell her we want peace

Tell her we’re going swimming.

7

Tell her she cant watch the news

Tell her she can watch cartoons

Tell her she can stay up late and watch Friends.

Tell her they’re attacking with rockets

Dont frighten her

Tell her only a few of us have been killed

Tell her the army has come to our defence

Dont tell her her cousin refused to serve in the army.

Dont tell her how many of them have been killed

Tell her the Hamas fighters have been killed

Tell her they’re terrorists

Tell her they’re filth

Dont

Dont tell her about the family of dead girls

Tell her you cant believe what you see on television

Tell her we killed the babies by mistake

Dont tell her anything about the army

Tell her, tell her about the army, tell her to be proud of the army. Tell her about the family of dead girls, tell her their names why not, tell her the whole world knows why shouldnt she know? tell her there’s dead babies, did she see babies? tell her she’s got nothing to be ashamed of. Tell her they did it to themselves. Tell her they want their children killed to make people sorry for them, tell her I’m not sorry for them, tell her not to be sorry for them, tell her we’re the ones to be sorry for, tell her they cant talk suffering to us. Tell her we’re the iron fist now, tell her it’s the fog of war, tell her we wont stop killing them till we’re safe, tell her I laughed when I saw the dead policemen, tell her they’re animals living in rubble now, tell her I wouldnt care if we wiped them out, the world would hate us is the only thing, tell her I dont care if the world hates us, tell her we’re better haters, tell her we’re chosen people, tell her I look at one of their children covered in blood and what do I feel? tell her all I feel is happy it’s not her.

skidmarxsaid,

Comments 11,12,and 14 In which modernity seriously believes he’s changed the subject away from his lie about Israel Shamir

In some ways it’s a wondrous thing to observe. Having already pointed out to him that he was nakedly avoiding the subject, what does he do? Change the subject. Brilliant. Where any ordinary person might have gone “Yeah, it’s a fair cop, when I accused you of being a supporter of Israel Shamir it simply wasn’t true, now can I just apologise and move on”, modernity the master magician of malevolence goes almost for the full “I’ve got my fingers in my ears and I can’t hear you”, with only the briefest Forgetting all the rest of skidmarx’s stupidity to remind us that he’s been exposed as a liar, before he scuttles away to pretend like it never happened and he can set the agenda again.
A display of dimwittedness not really addressed to impress, as all we have to do is simply ask the question again, and he is back to stage one in Project Denial again. Why don’t you acknowledge that accusing me of being a supporter of Israel Shamir is a lie?

If you’re having trouble reading, here again in bold:Why don’t you acknowledge that accusing me of being a supporter of Israel Shamir is a lie?

skidmarxsaid,

I have never said you are a supporter of Israel Shamir, I have made the point that you excused Counterpunch’s racism, and that Counterpunch pushes Shamir
And what you actually said was:he’s denied most other things:… Counterpunch’s continual slip into antisemitism and their push of Israel Shamir, the Far Rightist.
And what I actually said was: Some of the things Counterpunch does may be indefensible (the first couple of things Weinberg mentioned among them)
To which your response was not, I’m sorry I was wrong to accuse you of defending Counterpunch’s association with Shamir, but to continue to accuse you of doing so.

For the third time, Skidmarx, you are weak on Alison Weir’s racism, Counterpunch in general and you can’t see the problem with the play, Seven Jewish children.
Again, you never provided any argument over Weir, you refused repeated invitation to discuss what was wrong with the rest of Weinberg’s rant against Counterpunch, and I still haven’t read the play. Why don’t you put a stop to your lies?