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interesting work KOS. Make you rethink a few things, especially regarding Brees? I ask in light of a rather heated conversation we had earlier.

ok, I ask in light of "one of the many" rather heated conversations we've had earlier.

Sorry you gotta refresh my memory on what the argument or conversation was that we had about Brees.

I tend to forget with all the heated conversations I have on here.

NAW!!!! I don't believe it for a second!

we were discussing the last few seasons and I think it was "who was better over the last (3?) seasons" and I said Brees and Rodgers definitely deserve mention up there and I think we got into a specific discussion about Brees' 2009 season as well

to be quite honest, I don't remember the exact nature, but you were rather dismissive of how well Brees played that season

interesting work KOS. Make you rethink a few things, especially regarding Brees? I ask in light of a rather heated conversation we had earlier.

ok, I ask in light of "one of the many" rather heated conversations we've had earlier.

Sorry you gotta refresh my memory on what the argument or conversation was that we had about Brees.

I tend to forget with all the heated conversations I have on here.

NAW!!!! I don't believe it for a second!

we were discussing the last few seasons and I think it was "who was better over the last (3?) seasons" and I said Brees and Rodgers definitely deserve mention up there and I think we got into a specific discussion about Brees' 2009 season as well

to be quite honest, I don't remember the exact nature, but you were rather dismissive of how well Brees played that season

I honestly don't remember that argument. I know I have argued that the past 3 years Rivers has out played every QB and I firmly still believe that.

I think I do remember you saying something about Brees 09 season and doing maybe a break down of season vs season for Rivers/Rodgers and Brees.

Rather than what I was doing and taking their 3 seasons combining the numbers and seeing who has had the best 3 year stretch. Because consistency to me is significant over having a overwhelming season.

Anyways some things that surprise me about this is how bad Peyton has been at going vertical.

I thought Rodgers would be much better.

Surprised at how much Schuab doesn't go deep. More than Brady, which I was convinced went deep less than anyone, but apparently not.

Not Surprised Ben and Rivers go deep more than anyone.

Surprised at how dominantly efficient Brees is at going deep, especially 21+.

I was curious what was Rodgers PDE score for this year for 21 plus yd passes. Passes that actually travel 21 plus yds.

The previous highest PDE of the years and QB's charted was Brees at I believe like 3673.77.

Rodgers for this year so far. 14,951.99 Four times higher than the previously highest PDE. I had to double check it just to make sure the numbers were right. They are! If anyone cares.

The one negative is it is the 5th lowest percentage of passes that travel 21 yds or further. Only Brady's 2010, Romo's 09 and Schaub's 2010 and 2009 had low percentage of passes that went that far. Rodgers is at 8.60%

While Rodgers hasn't thrown as deep as others have in previous years, in fact the 5th least of 27 seasons tracked, he has been by far the most efficient at stretching the field. BY ALOT!_________________

While Rodgers hasn't thrown as deep as others have in previous years, in fact the 5th least of 27 seasons tracked, he has been by far the most efficient at stretching the field. BY ALOT!

He has been crazy effective. 11 QB's have thrown long ball(20 or more yards down the field) more than Rodgers. 8/11 of those also have more attempts than Rodgers.

Brady has not been good pushing the ball down the field this year...He has around the same attempts as Rodgers but hasn't completed them. Matt Ryan surprisingly has a few more attempts down the field but again.......has completed far less than half of Rodgers' completions down the field._________________

It makes sense. Rodgers is only 3rd in yards this year but has almost 100 less attempts than Brees. The theme of the Packers' offense this year has been to get the ball and score with it. They convert their opportunities and so they end up with less total opportunities.

Specifically with the 21+ yard passes, Rodgers probably doesn't have very many attempts because he completes so many of them. A long completion will often result in your team being in a position where you can no longer attempt a long completion (as in, a long completion will result in a TD or getting in the red zone)