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Grimboldwrote:

I am siding with Putin. Ukraine Islamists are worse and the Russian majority has to be protected. The Krim belongs to Russia just like Hawaii to the USA. And for the people there it is no worse to be ruled by a Russian or an Ukraine government. Both states are bad and ruled by Maffias,oligarchs,corrupt officials and ignorant selfish fools, even though Putin is still the best of the bunch.

on March 2,2014 | 04:16AM

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peanutgallerywrote:

You've seriously bumped you head.

on March 2,2014 | 05:24AM

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hanalei395wrote:

There is always animosity between Western Ukrainians and Russians. The W. Ukrainians actually welcomed the invading Nazi Germans in WWII, with hundreds joining up with Nazi troops. Bad choice. In the Nazi retreat, the Russians got their revenge on the Germans, especially on the W. Ukrainians, whom they called traitors.

on March 2,2014 | 06:40AM

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Winstonwrote:

Well thanks for the historical insight, NOT. The animosity is in no small part to Stalin's ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, well as the famine he created by the Soviet Communists under Stalin - between 2 and 7.5 million dead, and reign of terror that the commies instituted throughout the region.

on March 2,2014 | 07:12AM

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hanalei395wrote:

And made worse when W. Ukrainians joined up with the Nazis.

on March 2,2014 | 07:39AM

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wilikiwrote:

This shows the level of Ukrainian thinking at the time: the enemy of my enemy is our friend. The Ukainians deserve the consequences of their actions in WWII.

on March 2,2014 | 12:19PM

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hanalei395wrote:

The Crimea onced belonged to Russia, until Nikita Khrushchev, as part of his "de-Stalinization program", gave the Crimea to Ukraine. But, there was, and is, a problem. The majority of the population is Russian. And there is a large Russian Naval base in the Crimea.

on March 2,2014 | 08:24AM

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wilikiwrote:

For once I agree with the side that approves of what Putin is doing. If Ukraine terrorists start to ramp up their campaign by toppling the govt (they still haven't called off their "demonstrations") and they start to do ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians, only the Russian military can stop the violence.

The UN ior NATO sn't willing to go in to restore order. Nor are they willing to put the 2 billion dollars that Russia has put up so far to avoid bankruptcy. IIRC they need about 13 billion dollars to over come the country's current crises. Russia stopped it's bailout at 2 billion, when the country started going out of control.

So the alternatives are grim and Russia is the only country that has stuck its neck out to stop the violence. If the US wants to work with Russia on this problem then it should welcome the Russian action.

on March 2,2014 | 12:15PM

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HD36wrote:

The powers in he government anxious for war, like John McCain, may get there way this time after the Snowden and Syria incidents. You can never underestimate the power of Central Banks. Often they've funded both sides of a war, so they can't lose.

on March 2,2014 | 01:39PM

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MizuInOzwrote:

Can I have some of what you are smoking? You have no idea what you are taking about. Read, goggle, study the facts before you write such stuff. Putin has a Napoleonic ego. Do some reading or if that is too difficult, just look at pictures. You'll learn quite a bit about his ego. Obviously, you have never been to either Russia or the Ukraine to make such statements. Consider this analogy: Crimea belongs to Russia just like British Columbia belongs to the USA, because in reality Hawaii doesn't belong to the USA. You need to get out more. Really.
As peanutgallery said; "You've seriously bumped your head."

on March 2,2014 | 05:47AM

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Dawgwrote:

WOW spoken like a rel communist!

on March 2,2014 | 06:00AM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

Here we have a REAL Russian military invasion and occupation of Crimea, with possibility of additional invasion and occupation of the rest of Ukraine. Compare this against the 162 U.S. peacekeepers who came ashore in Honolulu in 1893 to protect American lives and property and be prepared to stop threatened rioting and arson during the Hawaiian revolution. Claims that 1893 was an armed invasion and occupation are absurd. Look at Crimea 2014 for comparison. Also compare the reactions of the rest of the world. In 2014 Crimea, there are strong protests and condemnations from other nations. In 1893, the only reactions were that all the local consuls in Honolulu representing other nations gave letters of recognition to the revolutionary Provisional Government within two days; and then in Fall 1894 the Emperors, Kings, Queens and Presidents of at least 19 nations on 4 continents personally signed letters in 11 languages giving full-fledged diplomatic recognition de jure, that the Republic was the legitimate government of Hawaii. And there were no protests by any nations; and even the ex-queen in 1895 signed a letter of abdication and an oath of loyalty to the Republic of Hawaii.

on March 2,2014 | 10:18AM

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hanalei395wrote:

Conklin didn't mention that after the foreign troops landed, an Act of War in itself, and aiming their cannons and Gatling guns at 'Iolani Place, raising their flag atop Ali'iolani Hale and all government buildings, the white supremacy militia, the Honolulu Rifles, and made up of mostly American immigrants and settlers, then took over. They did the dirty work for the invaders by taking over and guarding all government buildings. The foreign troops then began to settle in by seizing a hotel on King St., between Fort and Alakea Sts., and calling it, and the land around it, "Camp Boston". They were ready to help the militia if needed.

on March 2,2014 | 10:50AM

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hanalei395wrote:

One of the militiamen on the Honolulu Rifles, was a young Walter Dillingham, who said "God had made the White Race to rule, and the Colored to be ruled".

on March 2,2014 | 11:04AM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

"aiming their cannons and Gatling guns at 'Iolani Place"
False. In fact, as they marched past the Palace on their way to Wai'alae where they expected to spend the night, they dipped the U.S. flag in respect to the Queen. See testimony under oath in the Morgan Report at
http://morganreport.org

on March 2,2014 | 12:21PM

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hanalei395wrote:

There are photos, showing cannons and Gatling gins, from Ali'iolani Hale, aimed at "Iolani Palace.

on March 2,2014 | 12:50PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

No, aimed outward from Ali'iolani Hale, which the revolutionaries had taken over, to guard against any possible attack on Ali'iolani Hale. Such an attack would come from King Street toward Ali'iolani, so of course the defenders of Ali'iolani had to point weapons toward King street.

on March 2,2014 | 06:32PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

"raising their flag atop Ali'iolani Hale and all government buildings"
Partly true, mostly false. The U.S. flag was placed next to the Hawaiian flag atop Ali'iolani Hale several days later at the request of the Provisional Government (which was recognized at that time by all the local consuls of all the foreign nations which had consulates in Honolulu) to provide reassurance to Americans and Europeans that the Provisional Government was fully in control and there would be no violence against foreigners.

on March 2,2014 | 12:22PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

So far as I know the only government building where the U.S. flag was raised was Ali'iolani Hale, not "all government buildings" as Hanalei asserted. And, again, it was raised next to the Hawaiian flag, not in place of it.

on March 2,2014 | 12:27PM

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hanalei395wrote:

"next to the Hawaiian flag"...... Ali'iolani Hale had just one flag pole, as well as other government buildings. The Hawaiian flag was taken down and the American one raised. And there were other buildings where the Hawaiian flag was lowered and the American flag raised. The American flags flew over Hawai'i until April, 1893, when the new elected Prresident, Grover Cleveland, when he found out about it, ordered all American flags lowered, and all U.S. troops out of Hawai'i.

on March 2,2014 | 01:25PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

Prove the U.S. flag was the only one flying. You're making that up. Prove the U.S. flag was on all the government buildings. You're making that up. Where's your evidence? Only one flag pole? No problem. It's easy to put up another one temporarily right next to it.

on March 2,2014 | 06:36PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

"troops then began to settle in by seizing a hotel on King St., between Fort and Alakea Sts., and calling it, and the land around it, "Camp Boston""
Partly true, mostly false. The U.S. troops were mistaken when they went to Wai'alae thinking they could spend the night there, and returned to Honolulu. The enlisted men bivouacked in an unused building not intended for overnight occupancy, Arion Hall, which was down a side street, behind a fence, out of view of the Palace. A small detachment went up Nu'uanu to guard the U.S. consulate (home of Minister Stevens). A small group of officers went to stay at the Arlington Hotel where the facilities were more comfortable and they could sleep in beds instead of on the floor (Officers even today usually do not sleep with enlisted men and usually have more comfortable accommodations). They did not "take over" the hotel. They did not take over land around the hotel. It's true they did call their rooms at the hotel "Camp Boston" in recognition of the fact that the name of their ship was the "Boston" and where they were sleeping was not on the ship but on the land and therefore called "camp" (but probably no campfires allowed in their rooms, and no marshmallows or singing!).

on March 2,2014 | 12:23PM

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hanalei395wrote:

After the U.S. "annexation" of Hawai'i, the newly arrived U.S. troops, until they had permanent bases, took over Kapi'olani Park and then called it "Camp McKinley", in honor to the guy who made it possible for them to be there.

on March 2,2014 | 02:40PM

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Ronin006wrote:

After Kamehameha annexed Maui, Kauai and Oahu, the newly arrived warriors from Hawaii took over everything and slaughtered everyone who got in their way in honor of the guy who sent them there.

on March 2,2014 | 04:35PM

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Ronin006wrote:

Censorship editors in the SA’s censorship department need to have their heads examine for having comments like this sent for approval: “After Kamehameha annexed Maui, Kauai and Oahu, the newly arrived warriors from Hawaii took over everything and slaughtered everyone who got in their way in honor of the guy who sent them there. “

on March 2,2014 | 04:45PM

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hanalei395wrote:

STUPID post ..............Rodin: GFY.

on March 2,2014 | 04:57PM

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glenn57377wrote:

The history books tell that King Kamehameha slaughtered anyone in his path in taking control of all the islands. That all sounds great is you are a fan of King Kamehameha........but if your roots are from another island, your ancestors either capitulated or were defeated in battle. I have always been baffled by the modern interpretation of King Kamehameha being great, and I agree he was, but the way he gained his notoriety was through murder and theft. Isn't that the way it happened? Do the descendants of chiefs and families from the attacked islands feel the same way towards King Kamehameha? If an army came to my town and murdered every defender in sight, I wouldn't feel he was so great..........

on March 2,2014 | 10:22PM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

After annexation ... Kapiolani Park ... this was at least 5 and a half years after the revolution. Totally irrelevant.

on March 2,2014 | 06:39PM

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hanalei395wrote:

Conklin says ...... "came ashore in Honolulu in 1893 to protect American lives and property". ......American lives were never in jeopardy, they were the ones with the weapons. And Ali'iolani Hale, "Iolani Palace and all of the government buildings were NOT "American property". In fact, the U.S. Legation Building, on Alakea St., between Hotel and Beretania Sts., the U.S. Marines didn't even bother to go there.

on March 2,2014 | 11:22AM

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Ken_Conklinwrote:

Hanalei says "In fact, the U.S. Legation Building, on Alakea St., between Hotel and Beretania Sts., the U.S. Marines didn't even bother to go there."
Totally false. I don't have time to do the research to disprove every one of Hanalei's lies, but this one was easy for me to disprove. William DeWitt Alexander testified under oath before Congress that "I happened to be near the post-office when the troops landed from the Boston, and saw them march up Fort street. A party of 30 or 40 marines went up to the U. S. legation, on Nuuanu street, and a guard was left at the U. S. consulate, while the main body marched up King street, past the Government building, and bivouacked in Mr. Atherton's grounds until late in the evening; quarters were secured for them in the 'Arion House,' a low one-story wooden building west of the Music Hall, a large brick building which intervenes between it and the palace. In this connection I take the liberty of saying that I can not see how Arion Hall would be exposed to fire in the event of an attack upon the Government building from the direction of the palace.
(http://morganreport.org pp. 657-658)

on March 2,2014 | 12:51PM

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hanalei395wrote:

That so-called "under oath" was a lie. The U.S. Legation Building was where I said it was, on Alakea St., between Hotel and Beretania St. It was NOT on Nuuanu St.

on March 2,2014 | 01:40PM

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nitrobreathwrote:

You cannot say Putin is the best of the bunch; there is no honor amongst thieves.

on March 2,2014 | 05:39AM

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Dawgwrote:

WOW Spoken like a real communist!

on March 2,2014 | 06:00AM

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Ronin006wrote:

As Russian troops stormed into the Ukraine, Putin called Obama and said: “Hey, Barak, I crossed your red line just like Assad crossed your red line in Syria. You did nothing then and I know you will do nothing now. Have a nice day, A…hole.”

on March 2,2014 | 07:41AM

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cojefwrote:

Nato was sitting on their a-ses while the demonstrations were going on, and after fact now making comments about Putin's actions. 'in this case, better late than never does not apply. Pro-active economic threats should have started during the Sochi Winter Olympics or soon thereafter, once military movements were noticed or begun by Putin. Reactive threats have no weight.

on March 2,2014 | 08:26AM

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hanalei395wrote:

NATO wants Ukraine as a member. That will not happen. Russia will not have an enemy, NATO, right over the border from them.

on March 2,2014 | 09:43AM

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Ronin006wrote:

NATO was sitting on its azz because it was waiting for some leadership from what once was the premier leader of the world – the President of the United States – but it did not come.

on March 2,2014 | 05:01PM

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HD36wrote:

Repuercussions will occur! Russia may be kicked out of the G8! Wow, that'll really scare them.

on March 2,2014 | 09:47AM

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MizuInOzwrote:

And Russia just turns off the oil to Western Ukraine. Case closed.

on March 2,2014 | 12:05PM

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wilikiwrote:

They may be a great military power, but they're a third world economy. I think that we might rank these 8 above them: US, Japan, India, China, S. Korea, Taiwan, Germany, Indonesia. Russia should feel honored that it was invited to join the G8.

on March 2,2014 | 12:27PM

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HD36wrote:

But measured as the largest debtor nations in the world: America, parts of Europe, Japan. Did you watch the Olympics? That doesn't look like a third world country to me. In fact they have a missile called the Onyx, which is a next generation to the Sunburn, which is 25 years ahead of the Tomohawk Cruise missile. The might of America lies in having the world's reserve currency. It allows us to print money to pay our own debts. China, Russia, and the G20 are changing that through the Yuan Swap Exchange bilateral agreements and an alternative dollar trading platform which was furthred at the meeting in Ankar Turkey and St Petersburg. The third world economy was the old Soviet Union.

on March 2,2014 | 01:26PM

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hanalei395wrote:

"the old Soviet Union" ......... And Russia no longer have to support the economy of the third world countries in the old Soviet Union.

on March 2,2014 | 02:11PM

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HD36wrote:

They have a naval base on the Black Sea in Crimerea with defense industries. The ultra right Washington sponsored protestors, ousted the current president through parliment. We'll see if the EU abandons Washington, or backs a Ukraniane regime of ultra nationalist. The risk of nuclear war is real.

on March 2,2014 | 03:04PM

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HD36wrote:

Gazprom, twice the size of Exxon Mobile, has a pipeline going through Ukraine, and on to Europe.

on March 2,2014 | 03:17PM

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Ronin006wrote:

Russia is rich in oil and natural gas and is a major supplier of both to Europe, which makes the EU hard pressed to do or say anything about Russia’s intervention in the Ukraine. Putin has them over an oil barrel.

on March 2,2014 | 05:18PM

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Ronin006wrote:

What are they smoking in the censorship department at the SA? This is the 3rd comment today that was sent for approval: “NATO was sitting on it’s a..zz because it was waiting for some leadership from what once was the premier leader of the world – the President of the United States – but it did not come.”

Bottomline we have no dog in the fight. The country is broke we are coming off of 12 years of war Obama is weak and Putin knows it we are in the process of a massive military drawdown to pre WWII levels. The Russians are going to do what they want and the US is going to be a bystander unless Obama is willing to put boots on the ground.