Composition of the tenuous lunar atmosphere is poorly known and variable, these are estimates of the upper limits of the nighttime ambient atmosphere composition. Daytime levels were difficult to measure due to heating and outgassing of Apollo surface experiments.

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We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive.

Quoting: Astromut

why did the space shuttle never go past the van allen belt?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

It was a low Earth orbit. It is a question of how much fuel it takes. Compare the size of the Saturn V with the Space shuttle. Most of the Saturn V was fuel. It was alos a 3 stage rocket. Stage 1 dropped off at around 60 miles (I can't remember the exact heights). Stage 2 took everything up to low Earth orbit. Stage 3 did the final push toward the Moon. If you want to understand more, you have to study the rocket equation.

Quoting: F=ma

I just ask why the shuttle never went past the van allen melt.not the moon.can you not read my post correctly, I know my grammar is not good.

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Again, no atmosphere. You are use to see the opacity and scattering of seeing through an atmosphere to judge distances. You don't think about because we are born on a planet with a thick atmosphere. We are use to it and expected. Here are a couple of shots.

Mars again has an atmosphere. You use the opacity scattering of the air to judge distances. Without air you loose that part of the perspective.

Quoting: F=ma

stfu with that, you read that in your shill manual?so mars has air now? so mars has an atmosphere like earths?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

I did not say air, I said atmosphere. It is mostly carbon dioxide. And some of the Mars landers used parachutes. Phoenix Mars Lander and the Mars rovers had parachutes. Just to name a few.

If you want to actually discuss something stop the childish insults. It proves nothing and adds nothing to your credibility.

Quoting: F=ma

ok.but that answer you give can only be proven if you personally been on the moon so no man has..even if you were right the ground would not be very bright around them and dark just a few yards away, it would be dark all over and you see no sceneries,Anyone with a brian would of got on a hill and looked out and have a nice scenery for the photo album just to prove you were on a distant land but the didntbecause any photo like that could of been tracked back on earth.now what does your manual say on that one?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

Nope. To prove the Moon has no atmosphere and Mars does only takes a small telescope. Watch as both the Moon and Mars pass in front of a star, it is called an occultation. The star that goes behind the Moon will have no dimming before it disappears. Behind Mars it will show appreciable dimming as the light is slowly obscured by the atmosphere.

Why would it be dark a few feet away? The Sun is the source of the light. Look at the Moon. It is a little bit of Sun here, none over there. There is a regular progression of the terminator as the Moon rotates. The Apollo mission landed with Sun angles between 15 and 25 degrees above the horizon, to avoid the hottest part of the lunar day. The ground where they landed would be uniformily illuminated except for variation caused by terrain-hills.

What do you mean "tracjed back on Earth"? that doesn't make much sense unless you are trying to say we could photograph the lunar landing site from Earth. Sorry. That doesn't work. It takes something like a 20-30 meter telescope to resolve the lunar lander from Earth. It is rather small. The landing sites have been photographed from lunar orbit

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Because you say so? Sorry bud, that's not how it works. Come back when you can offer something substantive.

Quoting: Astromut

why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years?why has no man crossed the van allen belt [sic] in 40+ years?answer: cause you can't! and never did!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

That is substantive?

It's just the answer you prefer, not the answer you can proof.

why did the space shuttle never go past the van allen belt?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

Same problem again.For some reason you presume there would be a reason to do so.

Your presumptions are not evidence.

so mars has air now? so mars has an atmosphere like earths?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

No, Mars has an atmosphere quite unlike Earth's.It's still rather more substantial than the Moon's though.

Were you sequestered for your whole life or something, we have known that Mars has an atmosphere since the 19th century.

Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

OK I did not memorize all the stuff they tell you like you all did so.. You have to have an atmosphere to see light?if thats the case I have many questions for you shills.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

No one said that. An atmosphere scatters the light making the sky bright. A flashlight works just fine in a vacuum and will illuminate any object the light falls one. The surface of the Moon is illuminated by the Sun

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Look man I got few mins here.what did you want to know?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399

You said NASA lies. What did they lie about and show the proof.

Quoting: F=ma

How about "Area 51"? Nasty has always lied about it not being in existence.

Quoting: Volar 4648268

The military does keep military secrets but that has nothing to do with Area 51 or NASA. It is the same argument as saying the Coca Cola company keeps the formula for Coca Cola secret therefore NASA lies.

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You said NASA lies. What did they lie about and show the proof.

Quoting: F=ma

How about "Area 51"? Nasty has always lied about it not being in existence.

Quoting: Volar 4648268

What does NASA have to do with a classified air force base? Hey, I've got an idea, how about you ask NASA about project Fast and Furious, see if they'll tell you the truth about that! If they don't disclose all the details, then they're lying!

I seriously have a hard time believing that even you can't see the fallacy in that kind of logic.

Quoting: Astromut

Well, NASA does have a lot to do with Area 51.

NASA has worked in conjunction with the Air Force to build phenomenal air crafts, and even surveyed Groom Lake as a joint project in the '60's.

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

It's all on the Wikipedia Area 51 page.

Quoting: Pangn

NASA test pilots are former Air Forces pilots. So what? If an ex-Air Force pilot gets a job at McDonalds does that mean they are in cahoots?

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

How is refurbishing aircraft proof they work together. But, yes of course they work together. They are both agencies of the same government. No one has ever said they didn't work together. Like saying you did something bad because you worked together with your brother. And the fist A in NASA means aeronautic. That means aircraft and flight something the Air Force is slightly interested in.

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What does NASA have to do with a classified air force base? Hey, I've got an idea, how about you ask NASA about project Fast and Furious, see if they'll tell you the truth about that! If they don't disclose all the details, then they're lying!

I seriously have a hard time believing that even you can't see the fallacy in that kind of logic.

Quoting: Astromut

Well, NASA does have a lot to do with Area 51.

NASA has worked in conjunction with the Air Force to build phenomenal air crafts, and even surveyed Groom Lake as a joint project in the '60's.

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

It's all on the Wikipedia Area 51 page.

Quoting: Pangn

Yeah, and NASA had a lot to do with Chapel Bell too (far, far more than Area 51), doesn't mean it's their responsible to decide when and how much to disclose about it. That too was a military project.

Quoting: Astromut

I was just responding to the context you replied in. You asked what NASA even had to do with Area 51, and akined it to being the same as asking them about project Fast and Furious, which they had nothing to do with.

If someone asks them if it exsists, and they say it doesn't.. then they very much are lying.. regardless of who tells him to do so.

Quoting: Pangn

So if you go up to a military officer and ask them about a top secret military operation and they tell you it doesn't exist you do what? Yes the military keeps secrets. That is not an unheard of concept. If military secrets get let out people can die. Is that what you are trying to do? Come on man, think.

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How about "Area 51"? Nasty has always lied about it not being in existence.

Quoting: Volar 4648268

What does NASA have to do with a classified air force base? Hey, I've got an idea, how about you ask NASA about project Fast and Furious, see if they'll tell you the truth about that! If they don't disclose all the details, then they're lying!

I seriously have a hard time believing that even you can't see the fallacy in that kind of logic.

Quoting: Astromut

Well, NASA does have a lot to do with Area 51.

NASA has worked in conjunction with the Air Force to build phenomenal air crafts, and even surveyed Groom Lake as a joint project in the '60's.

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

It's all on the Wikipedia Area 51 page.

Quoting: Pangn

NASA test pilots are former Air Forces pilots. So what? If an ex-Air Force pilot gets a job at McDonalds does that mean they are in cahoots?

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Quoting: F=ma

I don't think you can read. The original question was "What does NASA have to do with secret Air Force bases?"

And the answer is: well, everything.

NASA and the Air Force work in joint projects together to build aircraft all the time. It's not uncommon. In fact, during the FIRST competitions that NASA hosts, they have Air Force members come in and talk about how science and the military can pay for your college. Lots of engineers in the Air Force work with NASA.

If you knew anything about Area 51 conspiracies, the idea is that both NASA and the Air Force work there together to not only build military craft, but craft that is capable of flying out of the Earth's atmosphere. This is also based upon witnesses that live near the base.

What you did manage to scan when you read my comment, was the second paragraph about NASA pilots at an Air Force base seeing craft fly from Area 51. What you didn't get was the relevance. (NASA pilots working at an Air Force base) if you didn't get it the second go round as well.

Now replying to your second comment, because for whatever reason you were unable to get all your thoughts out on the first one. I am aware that people aren't allowed to speak about secret military operations. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that MOST people are aware of that. It still doesn't change the most basic fact, which is that they ARE lying if they say it isn't there.

The reason this is signifigant, is because we rely on NASA for anything beyond the realm of the typical ameture. If they have to bend to the will of an armed force, it becomes hard to trust all their data.

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What does NASA have to do with a classified air force base? Hey, I've got an idea, how about you ask NASA about project Fast and Furious, see if they'll tell you the truth about that! If they don't disclose all the details, then they're lying!

I seriously have a hard time believing that even you can't see the fallacy in that kind of logic.

Quoting: Astromut

Well, NASA does have a lot to do with Area 51.

NASA has worked in conjunction with the Air Force to build phenomenal air crafts, and even surveyed Groom Lake as a joint project in the '60's.

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

It's all on the Wikipedia Area 51 page.

Quoting: Pangn

NASA test pilots are former Air Forces pilots. So what? If an ex-Air Force pilot gets a job at McDonalds does that mean they are in cahoots?

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Quoting: F=ma

I don't think you can read. The original question was "What does NASA have to do with secret Air Force bases?"

And the answer is: well, everything.

NASA and the Air Force work in joint projects together to build aircraft all the time. It's not uncommon. In fact, during the FIRST competitions that NASA hosts, they have Air Force members come in and talk about how science and the military can pay for your college. Lots of engineers in the Air Force work with NASA.

If you knew anything about Area 51 conspiracies, the idea is that both NASA and the Air Force work there together to not only build military craft, but craft that is capable of flying out of the Earth's atmosphere. This is also based upon witnesses that live near the base.

What you did manage to scan when you read my comment, was the second paragraph about NASA pilots at an Air Force base seeing craft fly from Area 51. What you didn't get was the relevance. (NASA pilots working at an Air Force base) if you didn't get it the second go round as well.

Now replying to your second comment, because for whatever reason you were unable to get all your thoughts out on the first one. I am aware that people aren't allowed to speak about secret military operations. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that MOST people are aware of that. It still doesn't change the most basic fact, which is that they ARE lying if they say it isn't there.

The reason this is signifigant, is because we rely on NASA for anything beyond the realm of the typical ameture. If they have to bend to the will of an armed force, it becomes hard to trust all their data.

Do you get it now?

Quoting: Pangn

No. I can read just fine. You forgot what you wrote:

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

To which I responded:

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Do you get it now?

What you don't get is the NASA pilots are Air Force and Navy pilots. Look up the history of the program.

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Well, NASA does have a lot to do with Area 51.

NASA has worked in conjunction with the Air Force to build phenomenal air crafts, and even surveyed Groom Lake as a joint project in the '60's.

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

It's all on the Wikipedia Area 51 page.

Quoting: Pangn

NASA test pilots are former Air Forces pilots. So what? If an ex-Air Force pilot gets a job at McDonalds does that mean they are in cahoots?

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Quoting: F=ma

I don't think you can read. The original question was "What does NASA have to do with secret Air Force bases?"

And the answer is: well, everything.

NASA and the Air Force work in joint projects together to build aircraft all the time. It's not uncommon. In fact, during the FIRST competitions that NASA hosts, they have Air Force members come in and talk about how science and the military can pay for your college. Lots of engineers in the Air Force work with NASA.

If you knew anything about Area 51 conspiracies, the idea is that both NASA and the Air Force work there together to not only build military craft, but craft that is capable of flying out of the Earth's atmosphere. This is also based upon witnesses that live near the base.

What you did manage to scan when you read my comment, was the second paragraph about NASA pilots at an Air Force base seeing craft fly from Area 51. What you didn't get was the relevance. (NASA pilots working at an Air Force base) if you didn't get it the second go round as well.

Now replying to your second comment, because for whatever reason you were unable to get all your thoughts out on the first one. I am aware that people aren't allowed to speak about secret military operations. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that MOST people are aware of that. It still doesn't change the most basic fact, which is that they ARE lying if they say it isn't there.

The reason this is signifigant, is because we rely on NASA for anything beyond the realm of the typical ameture. If they have to bend to the will of an armed force, it becomes hard to trust all their data.

Do you get it now?

Quoting: Pangn

No. I can read just fine. You forgot what you wrote:

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

To which I responded:

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Do you get it now?

What you don't get is the NASA pilots are Air Force and Navy pilots. Look up the history of the program.

Quoting: F=ma

Alas!

You have further proven the original point.. which was that NASA and the Air Force work together all the time! Good job.

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Wow, I was first looking at this and saying "ok, moving faster". Things are a happening all over our solar system. Personally, I do not know what it is, but when I see all you guys trying to systematically beat down these folks here the first things that come to mind is "maybe they are right" why else would/could you answer so many posts so quickly if you didn't this ready to cut 'n' paste?

I didn't read all the pages, but do you all agree with what the paper says or is it also B.S.??