Tuesday, June 24, 2008

jgarnettwell the chat started; you can do a formal meeting in a bit.moovida:) just wanted be sure the time is rightjgarnettI am not sure when the right time is; Jesse_Eichar when?Jesse_Eicharwell we're all here so we can start nowjgarnettoh - email says 10 mins.moovidayes, but that was meJesse_Eicharsure what ever is best for you guysJesse_EicharI'm here now and ready to go whenever you are.jgarnettsounds good; can you guys ping me hard if you need my vote; I am running around helping peopleJesse_Eicharokmoovida:DJesse_EicharTopics:moovidaok for mejgarnett(mostly with DnD introduced bugs; making walkthrough 2 hard)Jesse_Eichar2) Steering committeeJesse_Eicharanything else?moovidashould be okJesse_EicharkJesse_Eichar1) What's up.Jesse_EicharRemaining priority issues with 1.1:Jesse_Eichar- Fix for FF3 has broken drag and drop so drag and drop results in multiple resources being added to mapJesse_Eichar- The OSX jai plugin is not working when deployed.jgarnettjgarnett: teaching and improving training materials / wiki - improved PDFs will be uploaded later todayJesse_Eicharjeichar: more demos and going to South Africa.Jesse_EicharAndrea? mauricio?moovidamoovida: gt-grassbinary workingmauricioyesmoovidabrought grass under imageio-extmoovidaWill bring it to trunc at some pointmoovidaand operations to all coveragesimbossgo moovida go!!!moovidacurrently trying to import a sextante module in jGrassmoovidasimboss: :)moovidasimboss: thanks for the help in Bolsenamoovidamade update sites of JGrass pluginsmoovidathey should now worksimbossnp, we'll send you an invoice :-)moovidamoovida: finishedmoovidasimboss: I'll pay in bottles of wine ;)Jesse_Eichar2)Jesse_EicharSteering committee.moovidasecond, MauricioJesse_Eicharkmoovidahe wanted to say something?mauriciookmauricioabout steering committeemauricioi am newmoovidaok, then 2mauricioI fmauricioi prefer follow your stepsmauricioin the first timeJesse_EicharI'm not sure what exactly to say about steering committee. I guess I have 2 big thingsJesse_Eichar1. What do you expect from being on the steering committee?Jesse_Eichar2. I don't want lots of beauracracyJesse_Eicharso 1. Start with AndreamoovidaYeah, I thought about it pretty much in the last timemoovidain fact it is not so important to be on a PSC,moovidabut more to understand were Udig is going and exactly which resources will work on itmoovidaa PSC gives me the feelingmoovidaof a mroe regular meetingmoovidaregular == a bit more forcedJesse_Eicharright.moovidain the last times things seem a bit more lost in spacemoovidaseveral things happened and I feel the need tomoovidabetter define the situationmoovidaso PSC for me would mean just put up againmoovidaa more compact development coremoovidaalso because there is really a lot going on in udigmoovidaat the momentmoovida.moovidaThat is all from my side.Jesse_Eicharsounds good.Jesse_Eicharmauricio?mauricioI think we can transmit that that our community expect about udigmauriciolocal community (spain, italy etc)mauricioso udig could do a better use of distributed resourcesmauriciowe could collaborate more and bettermauricioabout 2mauricioI think all people are agreemoovidaagrees for sureJesse_EicharI thought was an easy sell :)Jesse_EicharSo first and most important is to get better communication out there.mauriciowell I think the geotools community have good communication toolsmauriciowiki to share ideasmauricioand newsmauriciodecisionsmoovidaThe problem perhaps is a bit the fact that in geotools different colors can coexist in the same environment and ml-listsmoovidainstead with udig it is more difficultJesse_EicharAlso we have the problem where we have a problem getting the steering committee together.moovidaI would love to have the JGrass ml-list merged into udigsmoovidabut understand that it would not make much senseJesse_EicharThis is the first time and Jody is only partly here.jgarnettwell I like the idea of the PSC being able to represent uDig in each timezone; and we can handle some topics/decisions on email.Jesse_EicharThats a start.Jesse_Eichar2 things that need to be discussed in broad terms:Jesse_Eichar1. General what the heck is going on.Jesse_Eichar2. Direction planningJesse_EicharI think 1 is the more important. Meetings are good but too hard to rely on.moovidalikes the 2 pointsJesse_Eicharso I suggest for 1 we suppliment by 2 days a week each of us sends a "Scrum" style email.Jesse_EicharTopic can be PSE updateJesse_EicharAnd has 3 sections: What I've done in the last couple days. What I'm going to do in the next. And what is causing problems.Jesse_Eichar(Just a suggestion)Jesse_EicharBut it has been very effective in collaborating with my french counter parts here at workmauriciosound goodJesse_Eicharandrea jody? comments?moovidathinkingJesse_EicharThe point of it is so you can get a very short shot of what is going on and if something is scary, wierd or something else you can start a longer discussion.moovidaYes, that sounds goodJesse_EicharI think people like Jody who has lots of people working with him will need to include some of what they are doing.moovidathis will go to the devel list, right?jgarnett(aside: your delete point animation is a hit jesse)Jesse_Eicharyes just the dev listjgarnettjody too busy for comments; but I can review after.Jesse_Eicharnpmoovidawhat is PSE for, anyway?jgarnettwell I asked about a PSC mostly because I need to program *now* and I always have to check with you guys.jgarnettI wanted you to know you are the gate keeps; and see if we could trade some of your existing responsibility (which you have anyways)moovidano, I mean the acronym that Jesse wrotemoovidaPSE instead of PSCjgarnettwith visibility (ie formal acknowledge your role in the project)Jesse_EicharProject Steering commiteeJesse_Eicharoh that was a typojgarnett(okay I suck; returning to my course)Jesse_Eicharsorry :PmoovidaI am really glad you proposed it Jody (if you are answering me)moovida:D npJesse_EicharBut I like the question of what is PSCJesse_EicharWe should make sure we're all on the same page about it.Jesse_Eichar1- We have the power to stop other from going crazy and trashing the project.Jesse_EicharIE I get a big a project and instead of starting a branch I Damage uDig to get it to work for my projectJesse_EicharYou guys shout at me and tell me to take it to a branch or approach the code base more carefullyJesse_EicharA second possible responsibility is:Jesse_EicharWe are all responsible for trying to help maintain and improve the quality of both the project and out private projectJesse_EicharThat's more or less my view on it. What do you guys think?moovidaYes, what makes me think is the fact that Jody says we share a certain responsabilitymoovidaabout udig, which sounds great and goodmauricioagreemoovidabut in fact Jesse_Eichar and jgarnett work at a different levelmoovidai feel myself like growing also into the core part slowly but constantmauriciothe risk is very big for usmauriciotodaymoovidabut at the time I am an analysis additionmauriciothe jesse's IE is crystal clearJesse_EicharMauricio. is there anything else you'd like to add to my description?mauricionothing specialmoovidayes, that is the reason for which we need some more regular and fixed meetings or emails or reports or whatever. We have to know what is going on really,moovidawhich is what we just descibed above, I know, just wanted to underline :)Jesse_EicharI think the important thing for me is Structured communication. I don't have time to always read every long email. That's why I suggested the PSC Update email.moovidaI completely agree Jesse, same for me here.Jesse_Eicharcool.mauriciookJesse_EicharI think I'm tapped out.Jesse_Eicharanything else?Jesse_Eicharfor 2?moovidaso to summarizemoovida- there is no official PSC (or yes?)jgarnettthere is; it consists of Jesse and myselfmoovidaokjgarnett(ie this page http://udig.refractions.net/developers/)Jesse_EicharOk so Jody shall we vote for an addition to the PSC?Jesse_Eichar+1 for me for Mauricio and Andreamoovidajgarnett: http://udig.refractions.net/developers/ doesn't tell a thing about PSCJesse_Eicharkick kick to jodyjgarnetthiJesse_EicharIt does on the right hand sidejgarnett+1Jesse_Eicharcoolmoovidacool :)jgarnettthanksmauricioexcellenteJesse_Eicharwelcome you days of cool beers and no stress is now over ;)mauricio(B)mauricio:)mauriciookJesse_Eichar3) 1.1.0Jesse_Eicharunless there is anything else.Jesse_Eicharone,Jesse_Eichartwo,Jesse_Eicharthree....Jesse_EicharokJesse_Eichar3)Jesse_Eicharas I said before there are 2 critical issue left for me to fixJesse_Eichar1. Drop and drop adding multiple layers on a drop.Jesse_Eichar(update: I think its fixed on my laptop here)Jesse_Eichardrag and drop that is :PJesse_Eichar2. OSX jai install plugin is not working when not in eclipse for some reason.Jesse_EicharAndrea, Mauricio anything else you'd like to see ?moovidadid you see that post I sent about layers not getting dirty?moovidawhen editingmoovidaelse I can summarize quicklyJesse_EicharI didJesse_EicharI can't remember if it was just creating new features or what.moovidano, I tried it on modifymoovidajust moved a node and clicked on an empty pointmoovidathe shape deselects as it shouldJesse_Eicharok I'll quickly look and see if the listener only is active on create and delete.moovidabut it also seems to commit changesmoovidabut it really doesn'tmoovidaokJesse_Eicharpoint layer?moovidatried on polygonJesse_Eicharhmm works on points. but you're correct not polygons...Jesse_Eicharcreate works thoughJesse_Eicharok not for this meetingmoovidayupJesse_EicharI will try on that as well but it is less critical as the bug has an obvious work around which is commit often :PJesse_Eicharanything else?moovidanot for me, I'm glad about the prj stuffmoovida:) thanks for that efforthJesse_Eicharits still a little buggy for some Coverages but it is better.mauricioyes, agreeJesse_Eichar4)Jesse_EicharEclipse 3.4 party.moovidathat was jgarnettJesse_EicharWe can do for trunk.Jesse_Eicharno way for 1.1moovidawould there be real benefits?Jesse_EicharThe update story is pretty awesome when they get it debugged.moovidawhat was the aim of point 4?Jesse_Eichardunnomoovidaask if anyone tried it?Jesse_Eicharjody suggested itJesse_Eichar3.4 came out yesterdayJesse_EicharWell we'll leave it. The switch when the .1 comes out has worked pretty good so farjgarnetthi guys; two points; I have a team here that I want to get comfortable with trunk; and with committing etc... so Eclipse 3.4 is a good excuse.jgarnettthat is it... if we want to wait for 3.4.1 we can do that; however I would like to try (maybe on a branch?) tomorrow.Jesse_EicharI don't know if that is really the best argument for switching to 3.4... But for trunk I don't care so much as it won't be out til long after 3.4.1 is outjgarnettyeah this is only for trunkJesse_EicharI'm pretty neutral about itjgarnettand I agreemoovidaok, jgarnett, do you think we could organise that testing parallel to an IRC?moovidaI would like to assist, so that I get also on trunc. That would give me a start with the new coverage environmentmoovidajgarnett: pingjgarnetthi guys; I need to get back to this ...Jesse_EicharOk meeting is done.jgarnettI will organize the time on email and we will be on IRC as a group when we do the work?jgarnettie whoever is on IRC can help out.moovida:) let's stop herejgarnettthanksmoovidayes, please write an emailmoovidagreatmoovidathanks for the chatmoovidaciaomauriciothanksmauriciosee yourwhittleseyknows that was a meeting, but that was *the* most activity he's seen in hereJesse_Eicharhaha. We're spread thin and do most of the talking on email.Jesse_Eicharby spread thin I mean different time zones.rwhittleseyyea, I can imagine (no one in their right mind would have a meeting that started at 7 am local time)Jesse_EicharI prefer meeting in my business day... As do most others