Re: [billvon] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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See you head downers are a sweet understanding bunch, a couple nasty post, ban from the WR attempt..... In the rw world we would have killed him, buried his body in several different location and sold his gear to pay for another record attempt and beer

Impressive and great that they got the record! If this guy ever gets on another record attempt .... It wb awhile.

Re: [dqpacker] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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I was on the record in September and while I won't say that I am pleased our record was beat so soon, I will say that I am pleased that it took such a talented group of free flyers to beat it. I personally am looking forward to working hard and beating this new record.

Also, there were a lot of us that were on the record in September that were at the DZ when this went down but were not invited on these attempts. Seems like it would have been polite to at least let us participate if they wanted to set a new record. Still, no hard feelings. Hard work and determination will pay off and I am confident we will break this record. In the meantime, high fives to those that have the current Texas head down record! You guys rocked it!!!

Re: [Cheach] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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I'm not saying what he did was safe- even he admitted that.

BUT. I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool. But yes. He handled it wrong. But that's not up for debate. He admitted that.

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I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I think I can speak objectively here. Some of you folks are way off base with this state record stuff.

State records are classified by WHERE the record was made, not by WHO made it. The amount of time between records means NOTHING. Who is on the load vs where the load occurs means NOTHING. In state, out of state, money spent, miles driven - all of that means NOTHING.

Did it occur to anyone that the Cali folks traveled all the way to Texas for this event, bringing their Cali dollars to a Texas DZ and specifically choosing a Texas DZ OVER a Cali DZ where they held the event previously? Did anyone consider that they - by everything I've heard - had no intention of coming to break a record and only did so when they saw that they had a group that could pull it off? Did anyone consider that if the roles were reversed the same thing may have occurred? Do you really think a bunch of Texans would refrain from attempting a record in Cali just because another record had been established 2 month earlier? Hell no they wouldn't. How is it that some of you think things should be different in Texas? Are we really that full of ourselves???

Some of you are making it sound like the Cali gang didn't have the right to do what they did, or that they somehow broke some unwritten rule of record etiquette.

Butch up, people. As has been said before, records are made to be broken. Getting your girly panties wadded up because YOU don't think enough time has passed since the previous record or YOU don't like the people chosen to participate is crap. Y'all are making Texas jumpers look like a bunch of pussy whiners - knock it off.

It's especially insulting that some are using the impromptu record effort to justify Simon's actions - saying he was "defending" the Texas record. Have you lost your minds?

If there's any wrong in this it belongs to the guy who made an ass of himself and put other people in harm's way because he couldn't keep his ego in check.

Re: [alphamedak] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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alphamedak wrote:

I was on the record in September and while I won't say that I am pleased our record was beat so soon, I will say that I am pleased that it took such a talented group of free flyers to beat it. I personally am looking forward to working hard and beating this new record.

Also, there were a lot of us that were on the record in September that were at the DZ when this went down but were not invited on these attempts. Seems like it would have been polite to at least let us participate if they wanted to set a new record. Still, no hard feelings. Hard work and determination will pay off and I am confident we will break this record. In the meantime, high fives to those that have the current Texas head down record! You guys rocked it!!!

And this is what friendly competition is all about. Good luck with your endeavor to set a new record.

Re: [chuckakers] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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chuckakers wrote:

Did it occur to anyone that the Cali folks traveled all the way to Texas for this event, bringing their Cali dollars to a Texas DZ and specifically choosing a Texas DZ OVER a Cali DZ where they held the event previously? Did anyone consider that they - by everything I've heard - had no intention of coming to break a record and only did so when they saw that they had a group that could pull it off? Did anyone consider that if the roles were reversed the same thing may have occurred? Do you really think a bunch of Texans would refrain from attempting a record in Cali just because another record had been established 2 month earlier? Hell no they wouldn't. How is it that some of you think things should be different in Texas? Are we really that full of ourselves???

I am super stoked to have the Sequentials at Spaceland and somehow in all this that has been lost. Thanks Chuck for pointing out all this. I am proud to call Spaceland home and honored that these fine flyers chose our DZ to play at. I hope that y'all make it back to Texas soon and look forward to seeing more awesome events like this one.

Re: [CSpenceFLY] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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This is the dumbest, most childish thing I've seen in the 4.5 years I've been in the sport. I don't know Simon well, only met him a couple times when he used to come to the SVCO tunnel but I just lost any respect I had for him. It seems like he quite enjoys traveling between boogies, doing load organizing, being on state/world head down records. What does he think is going to happen to his reputation and future coaching/organizing gigs as a result of this? I hope it was worth it.

Re: [artard] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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Lost in all this is that the Sequentials were originally organized by Robby Bigley, one of the most kind, talented, and all around best people on the planet. When Robby died in 2009, his influence on those around him was so strong that they chose to keep the event running in his honor, with the ideas Robby professed: always teaching, always striving, always doing more, and always smiling.

Simon has done more to dishonor Robby than any person I know. He may want to call my friends names, ruin their record attempt, whatever. But to do such things at an event that was done to honor Robby is absolutely disgusting!

My sincere hope is that every person, dz, etc that thinks about having Simon work as an organizer drops him immediately. Skydiving is still about trust in those around you to do their very best not to endanger your life and well-being, and I don't see anything worth trusting there.

Re: [airtwardo] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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I personally i respect a person viewpoint and do something that he believes in. but in my opinion,if the guy had an issue in making the record attempt, he should have protested by staying on the ground, and refusing to jump! i would have respected THAT decision and recommended him for doing so! But by doing what he did, he increased the risk of something going wrong and possibly endangering others, no wonder the jumpers involved were extremley pissed with him. and he certainly managed to upset most of the skydiving community!

at the end of the day,this is our sport that we all love,and participate in and we want it do be done as safely as possible and reducing the Risk Involved.

So very poor personal decision by the jumper involved, and i feel he will pay for that for a very long time in certain circles.

Re: [Cheach] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there.

I don't.

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A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on.

No it wasn't. If you've got 30+ jumpers all capable of putting together a headdown bigway on scratch then they must've all put the hard work and preparation into their own skills in order to be able to do that.

If you want the record back you've just got to go away, work more and do it again next year. That's progress. That's challenging yourself.

Re: [jakee] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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Sigh. Such is the need for drama, that people quite literally put words in my mouth.

1- I have never ever states that Bones was correct in what he did. I do not believe that at all.

2- The first thing I did when I saw the picture was congratulate everyone. It took amazing skill to do what they did. Absolutely NO argument there.

3- I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before and I wish more talented Texas jumpers would have been invited. But those people don't travel near as much, and therefore don't know the organizers, who in turn didn't invite them. Both the organizers from September were at the event. Brandon being the main organizer. I DO feel it would have been respectful for the organizers of the event to talk with him first. Do I think they "cheated"? No. But it still doesn't make me any less upset that it went down like that.

4- oh yah. That's why I quit posting on this forum. Drama. I am pretty sure some of y'all literally get off on it.

Re: [Cheach] Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)
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I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before

Dude, it sounds like they didn't know they were going to try for it until 10 minutes before. What do you want the organisers to do - look around the packing hall and go "Well it looks like we've got the talent here to put a really cool dive together but we probably shouldn't because some other guys went to some training camps two months ago"? Makes no sense.

(BTW - the only people who use the word 'drama' are the people who revel in it. If you stop looking for a way to take offense at what people are doing or saying you wouldn't have any.)