We've got this thing in America in dealing with criminals, and it's the fact that they're innocent until proven guilty. I'm willing to concede this a bit in these circumstances, where there's evidence and far greater consequences. However now we've taken control, and have yet to find anything. My allowed time period is up. It's no longer time for Iraq to prove that they don't have anything, it's time for us to prove that they do.

Perg, what does your dad think? I mean alot of us, including me, can go ahead and say this and that, but most importantly, is how do the men and women and the service feel about the spin that has been put on the war and would your dad have wanted to go regardless of the reasoning, etc?

My dad's been in for 22 years, and is now a senior officer. He does what the Commander in Chief says, no questions asked. He may disagree with the reasons, but that's just a sacrifice he's made. Personal reasons don't matter, the CinC's word is paramount.

i plan on joining the marines or army within the year, but that makes no difference in what i would think...well, not yet anyway. i know when i join, that anything can happen, and i have to realize that i could very well pay with my life. like perg said, it's a sacrafice you have to make. and hey, "If you're not sure what to think... side with fleshy, she's the hottest person who reads the forums" ((note: i used regular quotes b/c i lack the knowledge of how to do it the fancy way =P)) if you put me in a summer dress...i bet i could look hot too! i mean, i think we all know flesh is hot, but in trying to stay in line w/ the topic, unless you can prove i can't be as sexy, you shouldn't say i'm not =P ::scratches self:: so err uhh, how bout that bears game?//

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Unbodied unsouled unheard unseenLet the gift be grown in the time to call our ownTruth is natural like a wind that blowsFollow the direction no matter where it goesLet the truth blow like a hurricane through me

hahaha. i want to see you in a dress! take pics.. i'll get into a dress and take pics.. then we'll post them and see who is hotter. i know it'll be a tough competition though... cuz i'm sure you are so sexy in a dress. hehehe

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hey now, i'll need some time to get in shape. can't have any of my pudge showing through a two piece ^_^

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Unbodied unsouled unheard unseenLet the gift be grown in the time to call our ownTruth is natural like a wind that blowsFollow the direction no matter where it goesLet the truth blow like a hurricane through me

Oh yeah jon, if you care, I found out a couple weeks ago that it's actually a crime for a member of the armed forces to speak out against certain officials. Speaking out doesn't mean only public speaking, but even in your own home, in this case. I doubt many people would turn in their own kin, but nonetheless it's a crime punishable by court marshall to speak against certain leaders. These include the President, members of the Joint Chiefs, Secretaries of (State, Defense), and a couple of the really high generals and admirals.