Proposal description

Reimbursement Proposal for the Dash N Drink Instantx Miami Demo.The team Put in an original proposal to cover the
costs of this project. We later resubmitted for a lower amount to
expedite payment. There were significant costs associated with
designing, building, transporting, and demonstrating this piece of
awesomeness. You have to admit, it was a hit!

As you can see, the amount requested does not begin to cover actual expenses. We are fine with this.

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TheDashGuy0 points,1 year ago

The terpin proposal and this one are neck and neck! #Democracy!

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camosoul0 points,1 year ago

The only problem with Democracy is that it's so easy to fake and insulates tyrants because there's always some nutter out there that blindly supports whatever a tyrant wants, and they can just point and say "I was only doing what my voters asked me to do" even if it's a powerful/vocal minority. They always escape consequences...

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qwizzie0 points,1 year ago

Voted no as i feel this could have started at a later date and then would not have jeopardized the already established budget proposals.

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camosoul0 points,1 year ago

It's only over allocated because MN voters keep choosing useless things that don't impact value over the one thing that ever did...

BTW, this is just for Oaxaca. Solar and I were not willing to keep paying for the "extra" stuff that kept coming up at the last minute as a result of the scam artists in Miami. We were going to walk away, and the only reason we went to Miami was because of Oaxaca dumping his money on it. He's the only one you're snubbing by making an emotional, childish "no" vote.

The vendors you want to have adopting your system are capable of looking at this stuff, too, you know... It's the reason why I wanted the other proposal voted down; you ran them all off by being anti-business brats. There was nothing to do with that money anymore since you killed your own interest. Who wants a payment portal run by the very people who want to bankrupt them? They're not so small-minded that they can't see that zero fees here might look nice, but with higher taxes, more welfare, $16/hr minimum wage coming from these same people on the back side of it, they'd rather pay the 3% and risk the chargebacks. It's a better deal!

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oaxacawizards (proposal owner)1 point,1 year ago

Camo, you are mostly correct. Let me clear up my position (which no one is asking for).

When we got the blackmail note from the conference asking for blood money or they would kill the project we had a choice to make. I took it on myself to pay out of my own pocket to keep the dream alive. I saw the tremendous benefit of having a real world physical Instantx demo at the show. At that point future projects and reimbursement for not only me, but all the other members was never discussed. Nobody even considered trying to get the sunk costs back from the community. That included me.

This funding proposal is not about the 100 DASH to be split up between everybody. It's a small amount and makes no difference. This proposal is about whether the community is willing to support independent projects that people dreamup that will benefit the DASH ecosystem. It's about whether, as a community we are committed to individual initiative or whether we want to just sit back and let somebody else do it. Are we going to show our support for these kinds of people or are we going to just sit back and collect our "interest"?

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camosoul-1 point,1 year ago

Wow. Something just clicked... It was obvious someone was trying to stop us from showing up at the last minute... And that person didn't have a lot of clout, and Moe was being very wimpy in his no-explanation protests... Maybe that's because the person trying to keep us out wasn't a BitCloner? The evidence we've seen since then all adds up now. The shoe fits, we have our man. Being someone who's neuro-typical, the body language didn't make sense to me at the time, but it does now... Wow. I never would have expected that.

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camosoul-1 point,1 year ago

A person who showed up here repeating the troll's lies mixed in with silly demands for information he already had...

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HinnomTX1 point,1 year ago

I hope you're keeping a diary or journal. This is an epic story in the making.

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TheDashGuy-1 point,1 year ago

So glad i get to be part of this piece of history.

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qwizzie1 point,1 year ago

I dont get it, this proposal has a start date of 5th of february 2016 for 3 months, while we all know by now the superblock allocation is full for the next three months. There just is not enough budget available currently, so why is this proposal still starting 5th of february ?

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moocowmoo0 points,1 year ago

The budget allocation will not fund this proposal the coming cycle, but it will be funded the cycle after that. Unfortunately, the proposals chosen BlockEnd will prevent it from being funded after that. see: http://i.imgur.com/Xnf5PK8.png and https://github.com/moocowmoo/dash-budget_state

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anonymix0 points,1 year ago

I posted this below, but my script calc'd the future cycles incorrectly. Fixed now. This proposal will get two of the requested three funding cycles.

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oaxacawizards (proposal owner)0 points,1 year ago

You can't assume that. Lot's of things can happen in the next 4 days, and then in the next 4 weeks. Please vote YES!

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oaxacawizards (proposal owner)1 point,1 year ago

This cycle is overallocated. Therefore when the block is born, the highest vote getters will be funded. It remains to be seen which proposals that will be. In theory any of them could be funded or not funded.

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HinnomTX1 point,1 year ago

The voting process could end up like eBay bidding. Last minute 'snipe votes' come in to change the final budget allocation...

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TheDashGuy-1 point,1 year ago

Looks like the no votes are pouring in now... someone doesn't this to pass it seems. Hmm.

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camosoul-1 point,1 year ago

Just enough to make sure he gets his way for his buddies, and hurts the people who helped him the most.

People wanted to know how much DASH as in the "premine," lols... This only makes it worse...

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qwizzie-1 point,1 year ago

is the next cycle not also already full ? See : https://dashtalk.org/threads/allocated-budget-overview.7881/
Will these established proposals not all return again with the next cycle ? (somewhere in March i assume?)

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moocowmoo0 points,1 year ago

Yes, but because there are insufficient dash to fully fund transform-pr, it will be skipped and there will be 549 dash available to other proposals. Funding is an all-or-nothing operation. Best I can tell (it's new code) http://i.imgur.com/Xnf5PK8.png is accurate.

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qwizzie0 points,1 year ago

must be due to the yearly block reward cut of 7% that is giving the superblock a smaller budget amount to work with...

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tungfa1 point,1 year ago

so every year we will 'lose' 7% ? or does that vary due to hash rate or whatnot ?

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qwizzie0 points,1 year ago

[img]http://i.imgur.com/cwbVG48.jpg[/img]

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qwizzie0 points,1 year ago

(with next cycle i mean the cycle after the 5th of february superblock)

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qwizzie1 point,1 year ago

moocowmoo : i checked you attachment, can you pls explain why you think the Transform-PR does not get funding after the next superblock ? it still has more yes-no votes ?

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moocowmoo0 points,1 year ago

funding is all or nothing. see: https://github.com/dashpay/dash/blob/master/src/masternode-budget.cpp#L671 -- If there is not enough dash to fulfill the requested budget, it is not disbursed. Other lower-value proposals get a chance to get funded in this case. -- Also, I fixed a bug in my script. Soda will get *two* payments at current vote counts: http://i.imgur.com/AMj4S4l.png

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Jeztah0 points,1 year ago

Were they NEVER reimbursed? Total BS if so. Vote yes.

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camosoul0 points,1 year ago

We were just going to let it slide if you hired us, which seemed kinda like a no-brainer. But that didn't happen. Oaxaca is owed way more than this, as am I and Solarminer. But, I'm just calling it the price of a lesson learned and moving on.

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TanteStefana1 point,1 year ago

Yah, and who could have foreseen that the convention people would charge $750 to use the space, another $100 (really?) for internet access, and the parking, etc.... How would these guys have known? It also cost them a lot more than they planned originally. But they did a great job, and aren't asking for labor, that's given. So I say we don't leave people who are willing to do wonderful things out in the cold, but support them the best we can. I've voted yes.

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qwizzie1 point,1 year ago

they originally asked for 650 Dash but there was only 590 left in the superblock back then so Evan made a proposal that got them 590 Dash. Appearently there were additional costs and this will be the final proposal to cover that.

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hus20 points,1 year ago

There was an initial proposal which was rebmitted for a lower amount, and then resubmitted for yet a lower amount again. This covered the initial expenses, but was a far cry from covering all. This gets us close enough.