It didn't undermine the "entire socialist apparatus" (whatever that means), it undermined the economy of Venezuela. It literally doesn't say anything about socialism.

My point is that socialism relies inherently on the "No True Scotsman" fallacy and always blames the failure of "true" socialism to materialize on some exogenous force that undermines it.

That's not my argument at all.

If socialism cannot exist without universal agreement, then it's never going to succeed as a political philosophy and is just a bunch of useless erudition to make lazy intellectuals feel better about themselves.

We already have a "universal agreement" among the capitalist class to use public institutions to further their interests, so the universal foundation for socialism is already there.

Yes, but they are inherently dysfunctional at this point. Look at their complete fuckup at trying to overthrow Trump. They also fucked up miserably in Syria and Libya.

The CIA is not trying to get rid of Trump

Trump is basically a godsend for the US empire, which is thirsty to forge an anti-Sino economic bloc.

It's 2020 and you still buy into this 5D chess Q-anon retard narrative that the CIA is controlled by a supra-national cabal that undermines US interests.

Nah, that's not what is happening. You're fanboying for a racist demagogue who is fully and 100% representative of the interests of the US ruling class and political establishment.

I'm not sure how that follows from what I said.

What I mean is that people who measure the worth of egalitarian ideals and movements on the basis of whether or not they can withstand CIA sabotage are moral infants.

If you spent 20 years in combat, your commentaries wouldn't be about how smart you are and how dumb everyone else is. The Army is a very recession proof place with a decent pension and great veterans benefits. As it is, most of your commentary in general is about social safety nets and how they are "smart" and how people who would do without them are "stupid", coupled with your peculiar need to assert that you are a "Republican" while disagreeing with virtually everything the party stands for. I have friends who spent more than 20 years in the military and the closest they came to combat was fixing F-15s and F-16s in Kuwait, which they later moved to RAF Lakenheath, because it wasn't so bloody hot.

And now the latest Biden gaffe (meaning, saying in public what Democrat elites actually believe), he’s stated that any Blacks having trouble deciding who to vote for aren’t Black. Apparently, being on the Democrat plantation is now a racial characteristic. Naturally, a lot of Blacks disagree (one respondent said the next time he’s pulled over for “driving while Black” he’ll just tell the officer he’s really White). Now the Trump campaign is fundraising selling “#YouAintBlack” t-shirts.

Patrickov wrote:One only undermines the integrity of the election if one advocates a means with full knowledge that the said method leads to fraud. Otherwise, this is nothing more than a slippery slope.

No, intending to undermine the integrity of elections requires “full knowledge.” Taking actions that undermine election integrity because one don’t care if it does or not just takes gross negligence and leads others to have doubts about one’s motives. Of course, as Comey stated when letting Clinton off the hook, gross negligence doesn’t matter.

And putting a particular party's name here shows the poster's true colours.

Do you know of a large number of Republicans calling for opening the country up to massive voter fraud? I don’t. It’s the Republicans that have been fighting for years to protect the integrity of our elections, not undermine it.

We are all ignorant, only in different ways, and no one is as ignorant as an educated man outside his own field.

—Will Rogers

To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.

Boy you are one racist partisan, aren't you. I'll bet you think the "plantation" comment was clever rather than overtly racist.

Nice dog whistle though.

I find it laughable that Trump supporters gleefully cling to the hand full of gaffs that Biden has made and completely ignore the over 18,000 public, outright lies that Trump has put out there. Everyday their boy is saying something utterly foolish and even sometimes dangerous and they think that one dubious comment by Biden levels the ground. I get that the overwhelming majority of them are either not intelligent enough to discern or so invested in their tribe that they can't bring themselves to understand the damage that Trump is causing. Sad.

Doug64 wrote:So now I’m wondering if Governor Newsome’s order that mail-in ballots be sent to all registered voters includes those on the inactive list. Because last I heard, when you included the inactive list, eleven California counties have more registered voters than they do adult residents. Last I heard (granted, a number of years ago) Detroit is in the same situation, though I don’t know if they keep a separate inactive list like California does.

I heard the Earth was flat.

I heard Trump was a Russian puppet.

People hear a lot of things. That does not mean they are true.

Also, in a case of election fraud (a judge in Philadelphia pleaded guilty in march to taking bribes to stuff the ballot box, the proceedings were unsealed yesterday), the presiding judge had this to say: “ Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy. If only one vote has been illegally rung up or fraudulently stuffed into a ballot box, the integrity of that election is undermined.” So, applying that to mail-in voting, if because of the Democrats’ drive to make mail-in voting available to everyone one fraudulent mail-in vote is cast, the Democrats have undermined the integrity of the election.

The judge who said that is wrong. I bet every single election has some sort of problem with at least one vote. This does not mena that all elections are now worthless.

It seems more like a cute piece of rhetoric to support Republican disenfranchisement of blacks and poor people.

I saw a t-shirt for sale just this morning: “My rights don’t end where your fear begins.”

Was it a Muslim wearing one after 9/11?

Was it a black guy protesting Stand your Ground laws? A kid carrying Skittles? A nan trying to breathe under some cops?

Drlee wrote:I find it laughable that Trump supporters gleefully cling to the hand full of gaffs that Biden has made and completely ignore the over 18,000 public, outright lies that Trump has put out there. Everyday their boy is saying something utterly foolish

Right along with that pathetic female who accused Biden of groping her over a quarter century ago. Closer examination has shown her history of lies and willingness to say anything if the $ was right. Her defense lawyer recently dropped her as a client.

"When somebody says it's not about the money, it's about the money." H.L.Mencken

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Less than two years ago she wrote what amounts to a love letter to Putin. And published it. In it, among other fawning stuff she said:

"President Putin brought a chaotic and failed nation to become a vibrant, creative, economic force within a decade... his sheer, calculated vision and willful energy brought Russia back to be a world power."

"He is very good to women, holds them in high regard."

"President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity."

"President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women."

Never mind that Putin was having an affair with a gymnast 30 years his junior and had children with her while married to someone else. Never mind that Trump's wife is reported to have had a vacation with Putin's mistress in 2016.

Sigh. This is the best the republican can do.

For the record, I have little problem with Putin. He has probably been good for his country and his people. Just not mine.

Drlee wrote:Less than two years ago she wrote what amounts to a love letter to Putin. And published it. In it, among other fawning stuff she said:

Never mind that Putin was having an affair with a gymnast 30 years his junior and had children with her while married to someone else. Never mind that Trump's wife is reported to have had a vacation with Putin's mistress in 2016.

Sigh. This is the best the republican can do.

For the record, I have little problem with Putin. He has probably been good for his country and his people. Just not mine.

Putin is not really good for his country, not much has changed since he took power the massive corruption is still there. no reforms have been made to get the country out of its dependency on natural resources.his popularity right now is at all time low

Drlee wrote:For the record, I have little problem with Putin. He has probably been good for his country and his people. Just not mine.

Since he has indeed been good for Russia (that's his job, after all), and what's good for Russia isn't really bad for America's true national interests, and since all the ''Russia interfered with American elections'' hysteria is absolute horseshit, seems to me that perhaps you need a change of perspective.

Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 because she was a terrible candidate and a obviously horrible human being even in the minds of many Democrats, who couldn't whip up much enthusiasm for her enough to vote her in.

But man is a fickle and disreputable creature and perhaps, like a chess-player, is interested in the process of attaining his goal rather than the goal itself.Fyodor Dostoevsky

Since he has indeed been good for Russia (that's his job, after all), and what's good for Russia isn't really bad for America's true national interests, and since all the ''Russia interfered with American elections'' hysteria is absolute horseshit, seems to me that perhaps you need a change of perspective.

We had an exhaustive investigation which clearly showed that Russia did interfere with our election so this part of your comment is absolutely untrue.

Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 because she was a terrible candidate and a obviously horrible human being even in the minds of many Democrats, who couldn't whip up much enthusiasm for her enough to vote her in.

None of this is true. And the majority of American voters voted for her.

So that is two out of two bullshit comments by you. Care to go for a third one?

Drlee wrote:Less than two years ago she wrote what amounts to a love letter to Putin. And published it. In it, among other fawning stuff she said:

Never mind that Putin was having an affair with a gymnast 30 years his junior and had children with her while married to someone else. Never mind that Trump's wife is reported to have had a vacation with Putin's mistress in 2016.

Sigh. This is the best the republican can do.

For the record, I have little problem with Putin. He has probably been good for his country and his people. Just not mine.

Drlee if we had to go over how many affairs outside of marriage these pillars of morality are in the political world in many nations? We would go for years without seeing an end to it. Hillary should be the one to talk about Putin and his affair with a gymnast when her husband had Monica Lewinsky getting rug burn on her knees at the White House and keeping DNA stained material from her husband as a souvenir.

The poor woman never lived it down. She has a new life and a new marriage and still can't get away. And Lewinsky wasn't the only woman Bill Clinton had sex with that wasn't Hillary. So she should not even bring up Putin problems. The Kennedy brothers in the USA sure weren't reknown for their fidelity.

I think the most moral man in the White House in terms of not having rumours of sexual affairs outside of marriage in recent history was Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter. The Bush jr and sr had rumors. So did other Republicans. Reagan did not but who knows if Nancy did not know. She was the second wife. Jane Wyman said Ronny was not Mr. Fidelity.

The best thing is to not care about the love life. It is not worth it with men. Most of them can't keep their zippers closed anyway.

The USA needs to fix the electoral college system if the popular vote candidates keep losing to the Republicans Drlee. The Democrats did not push a big wave of reform through to save their own skins. It is a problem.

Tainari88 wrote:The USA needs to fix the electoral college system if the popular vote candidates keep losing to the Republicans Drlee. The Democrats did not push a big wave of reform through to save their own skins. It is a problem.

For sure in spades. So far the Republican preparations for the election seem to focus on lies of Joe Biden groping a mentally deranged female over a quarter century ago and how to manipulate (cheat ). I am still waiting to hear trump's plan to give all Americans affordable health care and his plan to repair America's infrastructure but, so far, not a peep.

"When somebody says it's not about the money, it's about the money." H.L.Mencken

jimjam wrote:Right along with that pathetic female who accused Biden of groping her over a quarter century ago. Closer examination has shown her history of lies and willingness to say anything if the $ was right. Her defense lawyer recently dropped her as a client.

Hindsite I read your links about Obama's bisexual tendencies and the claim he had gay sex with a man while high on coke. It doesn't look credible. It is trashy, tabloid press thing and the two men alleging sex (one of them Donald Young is highly not credible. Young never said he had sex with the prez. He said he was a member of the same church and then the man was killed by a spray of bullets in Chicago (which is a common occurrence in Black neighborhood in Chicago).

As much as the Republicans wanted Obama to be smeared there? If he had been caught doing drugs, having gay sex while a senator or doing drugs while a senator or a prez for eight years? It would have come out in the press.

the sources you cited are total unadulterated trash Hindsite. Now, it could be that Obama did have gay sex. But I don't think he had it after he married Michelle Obama. That woman would have known about it. Lol.

Barack Obama was consistent in terms of his sexual preferences. It was women. White, Black, Asian...any color but it tended to be women. Not men. Now gay men having sex with the president of a nation? Yes, that happens. The ex Mexican president Pena Nieto a conservative asshole prez and good looking as hell to boot, had a gay lover who did stash away a lot of sex tapes and has a lot of bank transfers supporting his upper crust lifestyle in Mexico. And Pena Nieto killed his wife who caught his ass having gay sex with a man after lying to her repeatedly on why he never wanted sex from her. The Mexican press did a big expose on all his shit. And they wound up getting some reporters murdered.

The gay man from Mexico now lives in Los Angeles under some heavy bodyguards. So Obama was not a popular president with Fox News and company. They never ran the gay sex lover story of cocaine shit for Obama because the story was fake news and they could get their asses seriously sued for billions of dollars. So no Hindsite.

Jimmy Carter you never said a peep about because Carter was clean as a whistle over that. And Cqrter did say he had to pray hard to say no to all the sex he was offered by women while president. He talked about it openly various times. How he was tempted by beautiful women and had lust filled thoughts. And prayed for guidance like a good Christian man would. Rosalyn Carter was one of the rare first wives never embarrassed by her husband's sexual adventures for sure.

No, Donald Trump is so depraved I would not be surprised if his daughter Ivanka post presidency confesses after he dies and she is free to talk in her old age full of rotten ill gotten money she unloads her troubles to some liberal psychotherapist and confessed to some incestuous horror relationship with the Trump pig man. He sure talks about her inappropriately. I found his comments in various interviews about Ivanka Trump highly disgusting.

Tainari88 wrote:Hindsite I read your links about Obama's bisexual tendencies and the claim he had gay sex with a man while high on coke. It doesn't look credible. It is trashy, tabloid press thing and the two men alleging sex (one of them Donald Young is highly not credible. Young never said he had sex with the prez. He said he was a member of the same church and then the man was killed by a spray of bullets in Chicago (which is a common occurrence in Black neighborhood in Chicago).

As much as the Republicans wanted Obama to be smeared there? If he had been caught doing drugs, having gay sex while a senator or doing drugs while a senator or a prez for eight years? It would have come out in the press.

the sources you cited are total unadulterated trash Hindsite. Now, it could be that Obama did have gay sex. But I don't think he had it after he married Michelle Obama. That woman would have known about it. Lol.

Barack Obama was consistent in terms of his sexual preferences. It was women. White, Black, Asian...any color but it tended to be women. Not men. Now gay men having sex with the president of a nation? Yes, that happens. The ex Mexican president Pena Nieto a conservative asshole prez and good looking as hell to boot, had a gay lover who did stash away a lot of sex tapes and has a lot of bank transfers supporting his upper crust lifestyle in Mexico. And Pena Nieto killed his wife who caught his ass having gay sex with a man after lying to her repeatedly on why he never wanted sex from her. The Mexican press did a big expose on all his shit. And they wound up getting some reporters murdered.

The gay man from Mexico now lives in Los Angeles under some heavy bodyguards. So Obama was not a popular president with Fox News and company. They never ran the gay sex lover story of cocaine shit for Obama because the story was fake news and they could get their asses seriously sued for billions of dollars. So no Hindsite.

Jimmy Carter you never said a peep about because Carter was clean as a whistle over that. And Cqrter did say he had to pray hard to say no to all the sex he was offered by women while president. He talked about it openly various times. How he was tempted by beautiful women and had lust filled thoughts. And prayed for guidance like a good Christian man would. Rosalyn Carter was one of the rare first wives never embarrassed by her husband's sexual adventures for sure.

No, Donald Trump is so depraved I would not be surprised if his daughter Ivanka post presidency confesses after he dies and she is free to talk in her old age full of rotten ill gotten money she unloads her troubles to some liberal psychotherapist and confessed to some incestuous horror relationship with the Trump pig man. He sure talks about her inappropriately. I found his comments in various interviews about Ivanka Trump highly disgusting.

You said there were no rumors. But there were rumors about Obama. I didn't say anything about Carter, because I was not aware of rumors like that about him. But regardless of whether the rumors are true or false or if you believe them or not, they were there about Obama.

I already know that you are a Trump hater with Trump Derangement Syndrome, so your disgusting remarks concerning his daughter is just another accusation I have come to expect from people like you.

Hindsite, I think Trump is a narcissistic egotistic piece of lying trash. I will always think so.

And any supposed sincere Christian supporting him without any sense of logical analysis like you do? Defending him blindly. Becauae Blackjack is a cynical dude that wants to trash the Republican party and replace it with an ethical nationalist party agenda. He thinks Trump a useful tool. But he is not so dumb as to believe all the shit that comes out of that piece of narcissistic garbage president.

I won't comment about your naivete about Ivanka. No decent father talks about his daughter in sexual terms like Trump did on that Howard Stern show. But he did so because he is such a tunnel vision narcissist that he can't help himself.

You will find out who is right if you live long enough. And you are so far up tht Trump's ass that if Ivanka did confess and had evidence of it? You would still deny it and defend that piece of lying shit president.

@Drlee You think I lie about my opinions and decisions, why are you bothering to respond to my posts?

Tainari88 wrote:The USA needs to fix the electoral college system if the popular vote candidates keep losing to the Republicans Drlee. The Democrats did not push a big wave of reform through to save their own skins. It is a problem.

I disagree, I think the way the Electoral College forces candidates’ support to be wide as well as deep and makes election fraud in presidential elections so difficult are benefits rather than defects, however unintended they may have been.

We are all ignorant, only in different ways, and no one is as ignorant as an educated man outside his own field.

—Will Rogers

To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.

Tainari88 wrote:Hindsite, I think Trump is a narcissistic egotistic piece of lying trash. I will always think so.

And any supposed sincere Christian supporting him without any sense of logical analysis like you do? Defending him blindly. Becauae Blackjack is a cynical dude that wants to trash the Republican party and replace it with an ethical nationalist party agenda. He thinks Trump a useful tool. But he is not so dumb as to believe all the shit that comes out of that piece of narcissistic garbage president.

Exaggerating for effect is part of Trump's style, especially while campaigning, I believe all Trump supporters understand and enjoy it. We don't consider this lying like you left-wing radicals do. It is just entertaining to us.

Tainari88 wrote:I won't comment about your naivete about Ivanka. No decent father talks about his daughter in sexual terms like Trump did on that Howard Stern show. But he did so because he is such a tunnel vision narcissist that he can't help himself.

I don't watch the Howard Stern show, but I understand he says outrageous things and attempts to get his guest to go along to entertain his audience. I don't know what Trump said, but I suspect Trump was trying to go along rather than be seen as a dull guest.

Tainari88 wrote:You will find out who is right if you live long enough. And you are so far up tht Trump's ass that if Ivanka did confess and had evidence of it? You would still deny it and defend that piece of lying shit president.

Maybe so, but I am not going to worry about it in the meantime.

Tainari88 wrote:You are a devil worshiper. Period. It is the only explanation.

I hope you feel better that you got that off your chest. You seem very sensitive about being proven wrong on such a minor issue, but nobody is always correct on everything. You obviously have received some education on devil worship and sending people you disagree with to the lake of fire. But I assure you that I do not worship the devil and as a Christian, I forgive you for your unkind remarks with hopes you eventually overcome the hatred in your heart.