I sure hope so. I'm always skeptical of these new "prohormone killers" that claim to give the gains with no sides.

It really intrigues me that it can be run without affecting HPTA, I'm curious about the MOA, sounds more like nutrient partitioner more than anything I can place my finger on...

AnaBeta-01 has never claimed to be a "prohormone killer", so not sure where you got that from. In fact, there have been next-to-no claims made with this product - only feedback given from beta testers and loggers.

I guess I misworded my statement, I didn't mean to insinuate that's how PES is marketing it. Really, they aren't "marketing" it, they're letting consumers draw their own conclusions. Obviously I tipped my hand at what conclusion I was drawing, but I shouldn't project my opinion as their claim. Good catch.

Regardless, that's how I interpret the "results" that have been reported, that it is a "natural" (though no info on compound has been released) supplement that provides significant gains with no sides. If there are "claims" that PES wants to make, I'm all ears!

I'm not baiting y'all at all, just very interested in learning more. I think Natty knows how I like to understand the MOAs. I'm also interested in how PES is going to position this in the market, from a business perspective.

yeah i was trying to watch my carb intake and I realized when I didnt take in as many carbs it didnt quite work as well.

I took my first dose post workout on an empty stomach. I came pretty damn close to passing out!. I was shoveling carbs into my mouth like crazy for an hour straight before I started to feel better again. No way I could take this with a meal containing anything less than 30 carbs and even that is really pushing it. I'm only using it during my carb ups on The Metabolic Diet.

I took my first dose post workout on an empty stomach. I came pretty damn close to passing out!. I was shoveling carbs into my mouth like crazy for an hour straight before I started to feel better again. No way I could take this with a meal containing anything less than 30 carbs and even that is really pushing it. I'm only using it during my carb ups on The Metabolic Diet.

I wonder if there is a high grade extract of pterostilbene in here.... That is the only thing that has made me go extremely hypo before

Something that affects Ghrelin perhaps? Some sort of natural GHRP? That would explain quite a few of the symptoms, and would make for an outstanding supplement in PCT or anytime really (except maybe when cutting, though you could probably cut the dose in half and not get the hunger, like with GHRP-6)...

Something that affects Ghrelin perhaps? Some sort of natural GHRP? That would explain quite a few of the symptoms, and would make for an outstanding supplement in PCT or anytime really (except maybe when cutting, though you could probably cut the dose in half and not get the hunger, like with GHRP-6)...

To be honest, this sounds stronger than the ghrp/cjc combo.... At least based off what I have experienced

AnaBeta-01 has never claimed to be a "prohormone killer", so not sure where you got that from. In fact, there have been next-to-no claims made with this product - only feedback given from beta testers and loggers.

~Rosie~

Exactly!!

Originally Posted by Milas

Something that affects Ghrelin perhaps? Some sort of natural GHRP? That would explain quite a few of the symptoms, and would make for an outstanding supplement in PCT or anytime really (except maybe when cutting, though you could probably cut the dose in half and not get the hunger, like with GHRP-6)...

Ghrelin agonist, or things that have been shown to increase ghrelin, tend to also show they just make people fat. The studies done on ghrelin agonists and LBM gains show no significant increase in LBM

I took my first dose post workout on an empty stomach. I came pretty damn close to passing out!. I was shoveling carbs into my mouth like crazy for an hour straight before I started to feel better again. No way I could take this with a meal containing anything less than 30 carbs and even that is really pushing it. I'm only using it during my carb ups on The Metabolic Diet.

Its good stuff AtomicFox. Really helps with reducing/eliminating bloat. Make sure to have a big ass sandwich or a pizza ready to go though!. Or whatever you want but make sure to eat enough carbs with your dose or you will end up dizzy. I definitely won't go a carb up without it now. Makes carb ups more enjoyable. Plus this way it will last me a lot longer.

See guys its strange because I frequently took my doses both with and without carbs.....I had good effects and no hypos and I am prone to hypos....

hmmmm

Mr.50

Haha, I was reading through this and thought the same thing. At the end of my run I was popping one or two caps pre on an empty stomach. Didn't really notice a difference with two caps, but I certainly didn't need to take it with food

I've been following this product pretty closely, and am really anticipating its release. Although, I can't recall, have people had good experiences with a pre-bed dose?

I took 1 capsule QID every day for the entire run. All servings were with food so I could judge the effects when keeping all variables consistent.

I personally had no issues falling asleep taking it with my last meal of the night which was often not very long before bed.

I wouldn't have been able to leave a long period of time between eating and going to bed because I became hungry so quickly while on it, this would be my main concern. I had to have a protein and carb shake before going to bed very frequently because if I hadn't eaten for a couple of hours I felt ravenous and didn't want to lie in bed thinking about eating lol.