By Michael Webster, Syndicated Investigative Reporter Early this month U.S. Border Patrol agents from the Tucson, Ariz. sector and agents of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were again fired upon with what appeared to be military type automatic weapons by Mexican drug smugglers dressed in military garb. Agents after observing a Flatbed tow truck on the Mexican side of the U.S. Mexican border backed up to the new international border fence. According to witnesses the tow truck backed up on a newly constructed earthen dirt berm which put the truck almost even with the height of the fence. The tow truck operator slowly unloaded two trucks laden with marijuana over the 18 ft. high fence to the U.S. side of the border. The entire episode was caught on the remote camera surveillance system and watched by U.S. predator and National Guard camera operators who were able to coordinate Border Patrol field agents to the scene. Shortly after arriving several Border Patrol agents came under fire after

Could have easily been solved by dropping a hellfire on them, but hey what do I know.

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Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion ; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Sounds like a good idea to me!

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posted on 12/18/2008 12:15:30 PM PST
by Loud Mime
("Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato)

Wednesday, December 17, 2008
The threat that is Mexico has FINALLY hit the media!

You know its BAD, when they finally report it. Last night, CBS Nightly News with Couric did a solid 10 minutes on the WAR in MEXICO that has NOW spilled over our borders.....More deaths than Iraq....more beheadings (even showed the bodies!)....5th journalist killed this year....citizens in terror...and ALL the stuff weve been crying about for how many years??

Well, McCain, et als PC immigration experiment has finally left us with what I believe is a terrible dilemma. We will be overrun with an exodus from Mexico like nothing this nation has ever seen. We will either take them or we will be forced to send troops to Mexico to work along side a corrupt army and police.

One way or another a lot of people are going to die over some people’s greed/ideology.

WASHINGTON  Mexican drug traffickers who pair up with gangs and use a sophisticated network to smuggle drugs across the border have become the biggest organized crime threat to the United States, the Justice Department reported Monday.

Most of the cocaine available in the U.S. is brought across the southwest border by Mexican groups, according to the annual report by the Justice Departments National Drug Intelligence Center.

Additionally, Mexican drug smugglers are increasingly working with Italian Mafia and other traditional organized crime groups nationwide, the report says.

Based on information from trusted Law Enforcement sources, we are recommending a heightened state of awareness for all railway operations along the USA-Mexico border, based on recent threats and observed activity

Heightened Awareness Recommended For Railways Operating Along The US-Mexico Border
Submitted by national on Monday, 15 December 2008
Note: Special thanks for much of this information
from our retired border agents group.
Meet them here: http://www.nafbpo.org

backed up on a newly constructed earthen dirt berm which put the truck almost even with the height of the fence. The tow truck operator slowly unloaded two trucks laden with marijuana over the 18 ft. high fence

Did no one previously notice them building a dirt berm tall enough to hand stuff over an 18 foot fence?!?!?

No wayyyy ,,, those Ramos and Campeon, they shot at an unarmed man. Apparently he is the *only* drug smuggler in the middle of the mexican drug way who is non violent and hates guns.
And we are sure he was unarmed,,, when they talked to him months later, they asked if he had a gun that night and he SWORE that he didnt. Even under oath!

I cant believe you guys doubt the word of a mexican cartel mule, months after the fact, youre so jaded!

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posted on 12/18/2008 12:26:13 PM PST
by DesertRhino
(Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)

Does the Mex national government promote illegal entry into the U.S. partly because they fear being killed or overthrown by the drug lords? That would slow down those "enforcement" reflexes, wouldn't it? Even without the remittance money from illegals being mailed and transferred from the U.S. to Mexico.

The payoffs and threats from the drug lords may dwarf mere GNP considerations. It looks like a contingent of the army is "bought" as well. Considering how many "no-go" areas of Mexico there are now, I just wouldn't be surprised.

Is this not a double fence with a no-mans land in between? Who would be dumb enough to build a single fence and expect it to actually keep anyone out?

Actually, this episode highlights two sorts of stupidity. First, it shows that a fence is most likely ineffective in the first place, whether single or double. The time required to build an "earthen dirt berm" of the size required to accomplish their tactics was not insignificant: it took hours or even days.

Second, however, despite their obviously enterprising attitude, the stupidity of the smugglers cannot be overstated. If they've got earth-movers big enough to build this berm in a timely manner, why not just use them to drive through the fence?

On second thought, perhaps the smugglers weren't so stupid after all. Nothing better than an eye-catching display like this to distract attention from the real crossing point....

The smugglers know, after all, that it's a lot easier for them to pick their crossing spots, than for the Border Patrol to handle them.

This looks like an invasion to me. How about an airborne response next time - at least it will keep the Mexican Army from having to torch the vehicles...
I say we take a chapter from the Israel border enforcement on the Gaza Strip.

First, it shows that a fence is most likely ineffective in the first place, whether single or double.

Fencing cannot be 100% effective, but it is a significant improvement. The builders of the 'better mousetrap' have to be people of significant means. If the fence isn't 100% effective at stopping drug smugglers, it's pretty good at slowing them and probably really effective at stopping jumpers(especially those with families in tow.)If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

Ok, let's grant that for the sake of argument. And by the same token, if you wanted to deal with illegal immigration you would ... what?

Following on your approach with drugs, wouldn't one way to handle illegal immigration be to regulate cross-border labor in a manner that makes illegal border-crossing not worth the trouble....?

At any rate, you didn't mention that illegal immigration or illegal drugs are nothing more than folks acting to meet a demand that exists north of the border. The driver for both problems is Americans who are willing to pay for illegal stuff -- be it drugs or labor. Deal with the demand side, and the supply side takes care of itself....

If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

All drugs should be available in the marketplace. The only problem is those on the payroll for the WOD, (the real reason for the WOD being the payroll), are not going to give up their hold on the taxpayers money.

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posted on 12/18/2008 1:26:59 PM PST
by Mark was here
(The earth is bipolar.)

Its not, it is designed to slow down those that try and enter. . .to allow time for the BP to arrive.

No fence is able to keep a determined person willing to take risks and use ingenuity. Look at the Berlin Wall, people escaped through that death trap right up to it being torn down. Most attempted escapees were caught by the guards, with some killed, with few actually making it.

The drone can find a tow truck with cargo but not detect the earth moving equipment building an 18 foot berm at the fence? Somebodies being paid to look the other way and/or alter evidence and records.
Post #1894355 from last year comes to mind. Was about Blackhawks being deployed after drones spotted illegals.

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posted on 12/18/2008 1:40:21 PM PST
by Old Flat Toad
(Pima county- Home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)

Couple this with the other story about the gang war using weapons acquired in the United States. I don't think so. Full auto weapons are nearly impossible to obtain and exceedingly expensive when you can find them via legal channels. It's more likely the corrupt Mexican government supplying firearms to their "friends" in the cartels.

At any rate, you didn't mention that illegal immigration or illegal drugs are nothing more than folks acting to meet a demand that exists north of the border. The driver for both problems is Americans who are willing to pay for illegal stuff -- be it drugs or labor. Deal with the demand side, and the supply side takes care of itself....

Why? I don't understand why you are asking me this. Of course I believe in hunger as a great motivator. That's why I believe all these Mexicans are willing to bust their arses picking berries and doing janitorial work.I have no solution for dealing with the demand side. I don't believe the US is willing to do take the steps that would make it so that people will take the jobs(picking berries, srubbing floors) that would halt the demand for more cheap labor. People would rather the social safety net catch them.

Well, you offered legalization of marijuana as a means of relieving border pressure with respect to drug traffic ... I was just extrapolating to the ostensible "real" reason for the concern over border security.

I was also pointing out there there is more than one way to manage the issue.

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