Dwain Wilson wrote:I wonder where the guy in the truck got the gun from?

Another "law-abiding" yahoo that was careless with storage perhaps.

Why can't we consider stopping this kind of thing BEFORE it happens?

Oh yeah, I forgot. It's our Constitutional right to be terrorized by our fellow citizens.

Our President is addressing this very topic Dwain. With increased awareness and education, as he proposes, situations like this, where a gun is stolen. Will decrease over time. This is desirable. Is it not? And all without even talking about taking pistols off the street.

Dwain, have you even read or actually thought about dhst our President has called for and what's already been put into action?

Just about everything your mentioned in your increasingly brazen rants is dlready being started on or implemented! So simmer down there little feller. The only real issue that remains contentious is assault weapons.

So, let's agree that any ban on pistols is not going to happen. It will be a near thing to see magazines restricted to ten rounds. But be that as it may.

I read back a few pages that you have heard of no good reason for assault style weapons. For argurments sake lets talk about the AR15, the most popular " assault" rifle owned be law abiding Americans. If you are truly interested in reasonable conversation about this weapon then you must do some homework. I want you to search out at least two organizations that hold pistol and Three Gun competitions. I want you to come back here and post how large a sport it really is.

If you can not or are unwilling to do this then I will assume that a reasonable discussion on the matter is something you are not interested in. I shall except that your position is to remove all guns from society period.

Jorj wrote: I want you to come back here and post how large a sport it really is.

I don't give a **** how big of a sport it is. Just like I don't miss gladiator competitions. Some of us have evolved beyond finding enjoyment in playing with deadly weapons.

You can hold shooting events without assault weapons. In fact, if target skills is the objective, you could do that with electronic weapons.

What I do care about is a safe society. I remember back when I spent some time living in London during the '80s after a short stint in NYC. I was struck by how safe it was for folks to walk ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. The same can't be said for America. Guns play a big part in that. Not the whole thing, but certainly a factor that makes life in the US more dangerous than other civilized societies.

There are concrete steps that can be taken to reduce gun violence in this country.

Education, as you have repeatedly pointed out, is one of the most important. I would also include mandatory training for gun owners.

The biggest problems are guns falling into the wrong hands. Stricter enforcement of existing laws along with tighter regulation of gun shops will go a long way in that direction. So will stronger back-ground checks.

Another thing that could be done is to educate cavalier gun owners like your pal RWB about safe gun storage.

But I don't know how to do that. Like the man said, "you can't fix stupid."

Jorj wrote: I want you to come back here and post how large a sport it really is.

I don't give a **** how big of a sport it is. Just like I don't miss gladiator competitions. Some of us have evolved beyond finding enjoyment in playing with deadly weapons.

You can hold shooting events without assault weapons. In fact, if target skills is the objective, you could do that with electronic weapons.

What I do care about is a safe society. I remember back when I spent some time living in London during the '80s after a short stint in NYC. I was struck by how safe it was for folks to walk ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. The same can't be said for America. Guns play a big part in that. Not the whole thing, but certainly a factor that makes life in the US more dangerous than other civilized societies.

There are concrete steps that can be taken to reduce gun violence in this country.

Education, as you have repeatedly pointed out, is one of the most important. I would also include mandatory training for gun owners.

The biggest problems are guns falling into the wrong hands. Stricter enforcement of existing laws along with tighter regulation of gun shops will go a long way in that direction. So will stronger back-ground checks.

Another thing that could be done is to educate cavalier gun owners like your pal RWB about safe gun storage.

But I don't know how to do that. Like the man said, "you can't fix stupid."

Dwain, you are speaking about two diff rant things, obviously. But first lets address the bulk of your post and Segway to the rest.

The proposed measure in the works, to reduce gun violence, are at this present time being worked on. Everyone of them. And every one of them blessed by a large majority of responsible gum owners in the country. You said that you felt safer on London because of their stricter gun laws there and believe that the same could be true here. We're working on that, however, year you are really stating as a solution is a ban on pistols. How do I know this? Because you said that the biggest problem is criminals getting their hands on guns. Guess what, far and above the most common gun used by criminals are pistols. In fact, it has been shown to you many timed that only 4 percent of gun deaths involve rifles of any kind, most of them suicides!

So, as a result of your comments so far I garner this about you.

You do not care for the second amendment. In fact,you would like to see it abolished and all guns banned from society thinking that it will make you safe.

You don't care about an industry that supplies Americans with much needed jobs.

You don't care about facts when having debates but would rather make you stance based totally on emotionalism.

And finally, you believe we'd be better off as British rather than American.