Dont believe hubpages is well optimized for adsense.

Hubpages I believe needs to do some more testing to get more clicks on adsense. To me their ctr is absolutly terrible. I believe that they need more add groups along the left side going all the way down the article. Also big box in the upper middle so first thing people see are adds.

I 'believe' that you need to learn how to do your own part to optimise your ad placement, and subsequenly your CTR, before blaming somebody else for your failures. The Ad placement on the two of your hubs that I just looked at was awful and preventable.

HubPages is owned by YieldBuild, a company that optimizes web ad returns. Having been here for four years, I've seen the ad layouts, colors and sizes go through some serious changes, and my Hubs are earning more now than ever.

I've also learned to optimize my own Hub layouts so that they earn more too.

To be honest, tilecleaninghub, I think what you are writing about and how you are writing about it are greater impediments to earning on this site than the ad optimization.

I'm with Relache - you could improve the ad placement by changing capsule lengths and juggling photos. Anyway as well as 2 outgoing links to your own site, on some hubs you have your URL on EVERY graphic. With so much promotion of your own site you can't really expect to make a killing with AdSense too. 'Cake and eat it' come to mind!

I blame HubPages for my lack of wealth too. I think that writing about my horrendous gas episodes, Christoph Reilly's sexual deformities, asthmatic vampires and lots of other worthless stuff should pay better. I blame HubPages for not figuring out how to monetize the crap I write.

We should. We'll blame them, then sue them for damages. I wonder what my cut of global financial meltdown would be. If it was just you and I on the suit, I bet we could each get at least $15 or $20 trillion or so from HP.

And I blame Hubpages for exposing me to crap that keeps me in stitches like Shadesbreath's and Christoph's crazy hubs. Keeps me distracted from figuring out that I actually should blame Hubpages for not making me wealthy!

Personally I dont even give a *%^*&(*( about any hubpage adsense clicks. It is so low that it is totally worthless. Only reason I am on hubpages is to promote my own site(s). I have played with my own sites and seen what works and the first thing people should see when they open up your site is a big box of adds staring them right in the face. Hubpages may look nicer but they dont earn much money.

Once upon a time there was a would-be-surveyor who wanted to level a large area of dirt for an impressive lawn to launch his surveying career. He went and got himself a bunch of steaks and spread them around in a grid pattern as he had heard he was supposed to do. He tied strings to them and stuck on little orange flags and got ready to start laying out the land.

He set up his transit on the tripod and began trying to view the steaks through the eyepiece, but he could not find them no matter how hard he looked. The only way he could do it was to point his transit down towards the ground, which made everything un-level. Eventually, he decided to get rid of the tripod and view everything from the ground.

This created a new problem because he couldn’t see all his steaks anyway. The ground was too uneven and some of the steaks were blocked from view, even though he was laying on his belly in the dirt. He grew frustrated. He really wanted to be a surveyor and make money.

Finally, a friend of his came along and pointed out he was using his steaks wrong. His friend suggested he buy a barbecue and open a restaurant instead. The man did and he made lots of money as a restaurateur.

Moral of the story: Using the right tools for the job at hand goes a long way to achieving success. Knowing what tool you have in your hand doesn't hurt either.

So the $1150 dollars that I am on course to earn in September from AdSense is a total fluke then? As is the $893 that I actually did earn in August?

So despite only publishing my first hubpage in July 2009, as a complete novice, and being on course to earn $1500 in total this month from Hubpages across just two affiliate schemes.... Hubpages is rubbish because a complete non-entity with one of the worst usernames in this sites history, and a publishing rate of 2 pages of content per month, just says so?

1) less than 30% of my hubpages are written to sell something.2) 5 of my hubs have been published in magazines.3) I am not depressed.4) My highest earning hub doesn't sell anything.5) My highest traffic hub doesn't sell anything.6) I am truly flattered that my hubpages make you feel depressed, as that was clearly the objective of my thousands of hours of output.

My oldest hub is only 15 months old though... I would anticipate steady increases for some months even if I stopped publishing now. I also write a lot about Facebook which, despite easy traffic, pays zilch. Around 1000 of my daily page views are on hubs which have tripped the AdSense filter too... a whole series on Serial Killers... so that is slightly misleading. Plus 44 of my hubs have been published in September and 52 in August, so you could safely deduct 100 from that number...

That is a very very good return though Relache, that cannot be denied, and that does make me very optimistic about the maturity of my more recent hubpages.

with a name like TileCleaningHub I really can't see why you don't have traffic beating down your door and people dieing to buy things through your ads! Your site must be a real doozy - I'm going there now! (well, soon, maybe probably, just as soon as I clip my nails and wash my hair, or later. Yes, much later.)

I believe that people who read hubs are not even looking at the adds. For me I just go to a hub and dont even see the add. Other people I believe are the same. I believe the add should be bigger, on the left side instead of the right side of the page. I bet if they do this for a week and show everyone what the new earnings would be people would stoked.

Ads do catch my eye when I read articles. When I've finished reading, I generally scroll back up and take a closer look at these, and possibly click on something I find interesting.

I don't know what difference left or right would make, but ads are mostly placed on the right, even in magazines and newspapers etc., and these are all laid-out by experts, who understand how the human psyche responds to such things ...

I know I haven't been on Hubpages long, but I have had a website since 2001 so have some experience. I've heard also that ads are read more often if they are on the left. I never read Hubpage ads either, but I think part of the reason is that the pages are so crowded.

I know, I know. I haven't been here long enough to know zilch, but I have read this over and over.

It doesn't though, it suggests that the hottest area is directly above the primary content. That big AdSense block which is achievable at the beginning of a hubpage can be seen as an extension of that position.

I would be open to experimenting with Ad position if Hubpages allowed, ultimately, the ability for us to choose for ourselves. (In other words some way of manipulating right or left).

I will leave it at that I guess. The point remains that the OP was still not optimising the ad position of his own pages, irrespective of the limitations. A block at the top right is much more effective than a block in the middle right.

Personally I like the current Ad position, but will let Hubpages decide what is best for them. To be honest there are certain high converting Amazon pages that I myself own which are disadvantaged when somebody leaves via an AdSense ad, I would rather them make it past the AdSense ads in order to allow me the opportunity to make a conversion. And I am sure that some of your pages are the same.

AdSense can be a page leak or hinderance at times, and vice versa with Amazon, I like the fact that I can screw up the AdSense positions all by myself at times.

I believe you, I just think that it would look crap. This site is classy, I like the way it builds confidence amongst the readership.... and you probably do too, considering you have 100 successful Amazon sales pages...

Ok fair enough, well perhaps the OP could suggest improvements to the Hubpages/YieldBuild teams and see what their response is. I suspect that they would have trialed various ad positions and found one which worked best for this site? It should be remembered that Hubpages utilises more AdSense blocks then is actually permitted, having gained permission directly from Google. Could there be a possibility that AdSense had a certain degree of input into precisely where these ads should be positioned? I would not rule it out.

Do you manipulate that large right sided block to be placed at the very top of your article? I see a fantastic CTR on many hubs when placing it there. I'm not so sure that the aesthetics would be right if the article has a huge indent to accomodate that block on the left side. Maybe I am wrong, but I can't imagine that looking great, Helium do that and it looks crap...

(NOT MY ARTICLE FOR THE BENEFIT OF DOUBT). I'm just not so sure that compromising the reader friendliness is worth an additional 0.2% CTR or similar, I like to think that readers do occassionally enjoy my output.

I looked at the several examples of ads placement being different from hubpages. Like that helium link. I was immediately turned off by the placement of it all, there is no classy lay-out, and I felt instantly annoyed upon a glance. I will typically skim that and immediately leave.

Here's the deal. I enjoy looking from top left to bottom right, and then being able to look at the ads in an easy flow way that doesn't interrupt my reading. THAT, as well as relevant ads that has stuff that I *do want* to click on, compels me to click. It also keeps me on the page and looking for more info. THAT is how Hubpages has it and I applaud that.

If you are complaining about wanting more traffic, not caring about ad clicks, etc, and then complaining about how the ads are not optimized well, then you're just leaving yourself open for people to criticize.

Also, you say you don't bother with ads personally when you're reading a content, and yet you would prefer the ads be bigger for your content... WHAT. That's a bit hypocritical, if you ask me. I actually enjoy subtle ads if it has the information I am looking for. I've also noticed I get much more ad clicks on the hubs that actually doesn't have that many ads placement for some reason. Soooo. Take that with the grain of salt.

ANOTHER THING. I really don't want to believe the Hubpages is INCOME ONLY site where everything is all about ads everywhere. This tile dude and this postingid dude is posting with a condemning tone towards ads placement when everyone else is really just worried more about quality and class.

Tell me, what is more important? Adding more trash to the 'net and cluttering up more with ads or actually adding quality hubs with decent ads with decent click-thrus to the 'net? Take your pick and go with the writing platform that works best for YOU. Let Hubpages do what they know they're doing, and let hubbers work with the limitations that they enjoy working within.

Basically, Hubpages and Adsense also has to make money. A lot of it, to keep all that running. They have the same goals as you do -- making money off of ads and traffic. So! I believe they know what they're doing with the ads.

My CTR with Google Adsense is over ##% from Aug and in to Sept . . . I'm typically around ###% to ##% over a long term span. I believe that's an okay CTR. <CTR snipped by moderator>

Also, I saw you've written 20-some Hubs in the past 11 months. You really do need to generate quantity -- a Hub a week at least . . . better yet, try to write 10 Hubs about 2 or 3 months in a row on subjects people are looking for -- tile cleaning isn't such a bad topic I would think . . . but then think of all the related topics you can fit around that - bathroom fixtures, bathroom decor, and so much more -- you can advise people on if they're shopping.

Just so the facts are made clear here. The Hubpages layout is something that has come about from extensive research from yield build. A company which has a staff of people that monitor internet trends to find the very best ad layouts, ad colors and ad sizes to be placed on a webpage.

I can not believe anyone could have the nerve to blame hubpages for poor ad placement. The ad placement on hubpages is great. As the other hubbers have already pointed out take a look at your hub, before placing the blame elsewhere.

I am sorry I would ever put any type of fault on hubpages. They are the greatest group of people in the world. They should get the noble peace prize for such greatness. Please forgive me. I will never say a bad thing ever again about your beloved hubpages. In fact there should never be any type of criticizm for the great hubpage team. I should be thrown in jail for ever brining up the subject that anything would be ever wrong with hubpages. Please forgive me. I will never ever say a bad thing about hubpages ever again. They are the gods and I am just an idiot. Just ban me forever this time from hubpages forum so that no one else can see what an idiot I was for ever brining up the subject that something hubpages did was not 100% perfect.

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