Friday, January 18, 2013

Gun Map Strikes Again

You may recall the "gun map" published a week or two ago showing the locations of pistol permit holders in a three country area in New York. A few days ago, a house on the list was broken into, the burglars found the gun safe in the home and attempted to make off with it. Nothing else was disturbed. Suspicion is that the map assisted the criminals in choosing their target.

Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said. The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home's third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.

Clarkstown police said they had no evidence the burglary was connected to the controversial map.

"The burglary is still under investigation and there are no facts to support this correlation at this time," Clarkstown Sgt. Joanne Fratianni said in a statement. "If the investigation develops further information, it will be released accordingly."

[...] "At this early point in the investigation, we believe it is a random crime and the home was not targeted," Clarkstown Det. Lt. Charles Delo told News12.

We though Chicago had some pretty heavy denial issues, but that is some bad "head-in-the-sand" thinking right there.

Please recall the tragedy of the murder of that 14 year girl in Indian Head Park in October of 2011.

The culprit was a burglar and she came home while the burglar was there. Now let's say that the same thing occurred again in Clarkstown and the offender(s) was there because of the GUN MAP.

If death or serious injury is suffered by a victim and that published map was shown to be in any way at fault there would be no amount of money that that newspaper published or that government agency that released that map could produce to cover that loss.

"We though Chicago had some pretty heavy denial issues, but that is some bad "head-in-the-sand" thinking right there."

Actually it's best to deny that the map had anything to do with it at this time otherwise they would be on the hook for a lawsuit from the paper. Once they catch the crooks and they admit to using the map THEN they can say the map was a key part of the plan because then the victims can go after the paper for civil liabilities (law suit) and if the state has any balls they can go after the originators criminally. If the crooks break into enough homes and the guns get used in a few murders then the those responsible for the map could even face murder charges.... We can only hope.

This shit is always a "random crime". Educate your family and neighbors how to spot when the spokespeople are lying for an agenda.

and 2:01AM....correct no amount of money will fix the tragedy of that girl's murder, but you need to retaliate. Unfortunately, you are thinking like a decent person. The Journal and Janet Hassan should be sued with the sole goal of destroying them.

Fuck the Journal. We want to see Hassan end up under a fucking bridge somewhere fighting with crackheads for a half-eaten Big Mac.

That idiot liberal rag of a paper should be made to pay through the teeth for endangering every person on that list. These liberal socialist types are a danger to this country and need to be stopped dead.

IF this gunmap happens here, I WiLL sue the pants off of anybody in public office who feels they can provide this information to the thieving public without my permission. Are they also going to feel compelled to post lists of people's jewelry, bonds, stock certificates, under-age children, safe locations, safe deposit boxes, etc., as well? I mean, it's open season on the innocent citizen, so why not? You can only be a crook if you think any of this fucked up shit is okay- the sky is limit apparently. People defending themselves legally in their own homes are listed like pedophiles? Who the f thought this shit up? Hang THEM out to dry.

What a dumb idea to give out personal information. Sounds like a lawsuit involving both the city that issued the addresses and the paper that printed them. What was the point in doing that? And the Ding Dong award goes too...

guys this happening right her chicago. Every time fire gets a run to a address if ther is a permited gun regesterd to anyone at that location it is on the print out. So if you live in a b ig complex and you are regisered gun owner you apt. comes up as gun owner. thank your neighbor and this great city..

The Liberal MSM is brilliant really. Think about it. They are masters of influence and distraction. They refuse to identify the race of the bad guys when they savage average citizens. ( it has nothing to do with the story, even when they are reporting on a crime pattern - "watch out for the Amish Orchard pickers")Yet they have masterfully created the crazed, white guy, gun nut boogey man that we should fear at all costs, going so far as to drawing us a map so we can avoid the dangerous areas where we might get shot.

Could you imagine if they would do this for all the shootings, not just homicides, and muggings and other assorted savagery that occurs daily. Oops, that might result in red lining . Can't have that, now can we.

It takes a special kind of idiot to think that it is a good idea to publish the names and addresses of legal firearm owners. This newspaper should be prosecuted for endangering people and their families.

Anonymous said..."We though Chicago had some pretty heavy denial issues, but that is some bad "head-in-the-sand" thinking right there."

Actually it's best to deny that the map had anything to do with it at this time otherwise they would be on the hook for a lawsuit from the paper. Once they catch the crooks and they admit to using the map THEN they can say the map was a key part of the plan because then the victims can go after the paper for civil liabilities (law suit) and if the state has any balls they can go after the originators criminally. If the crooks break into enough homes and the guns get used in a few murders then the those responsible for the map could even face murder charges.... We can only hope.

the other day I was on two chicago websites. A pop up came out of no where for instantcheckmate.com they offered all personal information INCLUDING gun registration info! Look into this site and pull up your name. NRA might need to get a hold of this. Is this legal in illinois? I Don't think so, but then again, what is that happens here.

The publisher of the list should publish and article stating to the bad guys to put those guns back because Cuomo & Co just passed the toughest gun laws in the country and they could be in big trouble.

These pathetic news creatures, publish their maps and then hire armed guards. It would be appropriate if something bad happened to these jags, something natural of course, like a meteor landing on their house.

Why, yes. Chief Queef is exactly what's wrong with englewood. 17, no hs degree, father of 2 kids already, arrested for pointing a gun at police officers and now found to be in violation of probation for disregarding a judge's order to stay away from guns. As his lawyer stands there and asks for just one more "chance" for his client. Really? One more chance will do it? How about the chances he's had and blown?

Anonymous said...Maybe someone should map out all the burglaries in the area that the gun map covers. I'd say it would be a good bet that in a month or 2 you will be able to over-lay each one and they will match.

SCC, a friend sent me this clip. Some of the similarities are frightening, especially the manpower issue and decline in morale. If we dont learn from the failures of others we are doomed. I've got a year to go before retirement, but if I was ordered to remove legally owned firearms from my fellow citizens I would have to refuse, no matter what the penalty. Make no mistake it's coming here and young officers will be faced with that choice. Gun control is not about guns, it's about CONTROL.

To the tac officers at Sammy's restaurant this morning at archer and central , thank you so much for giving up your seats to my mother, sister and I. The restaurant was full and the only ones who stood up and changed seats to accommodate us with a bigger table were Chicago's finest.

There is currently a big push for overrides when Felony Review rejects charges.

Before you push for this, know this, if you lose the case at trial, you will get sued and they will ask for punitive damages. ASAs are immune from punitive damages, police are not. Overriding when the ASA rejected charges is a sure loser in federal court.

Why don't they publish a map of where people that have been convicted of a crime using a gun reside? Or where his bsbies momma lives or his momma lives or anywhere else they can be found? If they used one, there has to be another! Then go after and list the people who were just charged with a weapons violation? Why do decent, law abiding, responsible, gun owners, always have to take the heat?

Old, gun-owning, NRA member lawyer, and vet here. Yep, one of my weapons is a Mini-14, with 30 round mags. Great weapon. And, fun to plink with. But, we all know plinking is not its real purpose. Give it up? I think not. Our forefathers knew what they were talking about when the 2d amendment was written. I'll go rogue, or, at my age, more realistically claim that that weapon was stolen years ago if the feds/state say I can't have it anymore. Some interesting and true observations: "The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms or other types of arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising. – Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Japanese Shogun, August 29, 1558." "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's 'Commonplace Book,' 1774-1776." "We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. - Patrick Henry." Give up my weapons? Hell, NO!

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. [There is also something along the lines of "remind health care providers that federal law does not prohibit asking patients whether there is a gun in the home."]

Anonymous said...if everyne in illinois got a FOID card - besides making the state alot of money, regardless of purchasing firearms or ammo, that way Lisa's list would be invalid.just another ID issued from the state.

1/18/2013 09:14:00 AM

make the state dl/id the default foid, with those disqualified issued dl/id marked with a big, red X on both sides.

all non-citizen dl/id's default to disqualified.

the only remaining issue would be exactly what criteria determines disqualification.

1/18/2013 05:07:00 PM

You people are the perfect example of a trained slave. You really believe that the unconstitutional FOID is required from your government. Why don't you have the government give you a First Amendment card too?

The Bill of Rights lists GOD GIVEN rights that the government CAN'T take from you. You are so conditioned by this socialist dictatorship we live in that you think it's OK for them to do that, instead of revoting at the idea. This is why idiots keep getting elected. Their trained dogs put them back in every time.

I see our great President had a few days to put together his list of executive orders. Maybe Dear Leader could take a moment to work on solutions to this crap welfare ridden economy. Cat food is getting expensive for normal stiffs. I will need my guns to kill rats soon for some real food.

To all you patriots who have posted here, now is the time to join forces with like minded people who believe in the Constitution, our Liberty and Freedoms. Check out the organization, www.oathkeepers.com. To you LEOs, active and veteran military, firemen, or if you are a man or woman who believes in what I've stated above, OathKeepers is an organization you should look into and join. My spouse and I have been members for five years, and recommend them.

I'm including a link to a video I found on the site Vimeo, entitled - AGENDA: Grinding America Down. I am NOT trying to push any political agenda here, but rather just hoping to inform. The video is about an hour and a half long, but I think it's worthwhile when you have the time.

Once again we see why this list is the best thing that could possibly happen at this point in the gun debate. These fools inadvertently proved that registration really is the gateway to tyranny and those claiming that honest citizens have nothing to fear really are lying through their teeth. The gun lobby couldn't have possibly receieved a more effective means of shutting down gun-control bills if Jefferson himself rose from the dead to lecture America on what it means to be a free people.

Anyone who thinks NYC trying to cover up by invalidating FOIAs will help anything is even stupider than those who claim the world would be better if only bad guys have guns. The laws for disclosing state secrets are orders of magnitude more severe--up to and including the death penalty--but that didn't stop one disgruntled PFC from posting nearly a million documents on the internet now did it?

You people are the perfect example of a trained slave. You really believe that the unconstitutional FOID is required from your government. Why don't you have the government give you a First Amendment card too?

The Bill of Rights lists GOD GIVEN rights that the government CAN'T take from you. You are so conditioned by this socialist dictatorship we live in that you think it's OK for them to do that, instead of revoting at the idea. This is why idiots keep getting elected. Their trained dogs put them back in every time.

1/18/2013 08:56:00 PM

if what you are suggesting is that no one is ever to be prohibited by law from being armed, anywhere, anytime, no matter their past history, criminal or otherwise, i have no problem with that.

just don't ask me if i'm armed or not, ever.

and prepare to be responded to, should you choose, for whatever your reason, to point your muzzle in my direction.