Martin it seems is his own worst enemy. Basically he’s a head case suffering from RCI for the last two seasons. He’s got it in his head that since he’s the unofficial captain, he somehow has to be superhuman and carry the team. This puts undue self-inflicted pressure on himself to over achieve, which in fact has the opposite effect in reality. All this is of course accentuated by his already heightened superstitious nature, thus for every step he takes forward, he takes one sideways and another backward (which explains how he’s waltzing through this season as Torre’s catcherbitch.)
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That is the long answer. The short answer is that Martin sucks.

NEXT!!!

By brownpaperbag1 on August 20, 2009 5:52 PM

Hello Gang!!! Hope you are all having a great afternoon/evening!!! I just went back to see what we were saying a year ago today!!! This one by Beav made me laugh!!! You’re a prophet my brother!!! LOL!!!!

Hello there again You Buncha Bums.
Yesterday if you remember I was over by Ebbets Field. What I didn’t tell you is I also went to Holy Cross Cemetery where Gil Hodges rests. I was just taking advantage of where I was yesterday. When my team (NYM) starts to disappear in the latter part of baseball seasons I usually compensate by hanging out in the past. BTW…Edward McKeever is burried there also. So if you want to check out what this Brooklynite thinks of Gil Hodges and see the rest of the pictures I took yesterday, my door is always open for you guys.
Mikehttp://thebrooklyntrolleyblogger.blogspot.com/
“Remembering Gil Hodges”

Hey Jhall!!!!!!! Yea – everything these days just seems to be a struggle for them, and it seems like when they start to get things going again, another player goes on the DL, which can’t be helping with all the other crap going on in the Dodger Organization. Add the upcoming court proceedings during the last month of the season and it just hasn’t gone their way this season…………..for the players anyhow.

Not a whimper, not a nothing. That has to fall on the coaches too that these guys have no will. They’re just playing out the string and grabbing a paycheck. I could understand some of it if they were playing Pittsburgh, but they should at least be trying to derail a contending team.

I think a team takes on the demeaner of the manager…just look what old Bucky did with the Orioles. Not that they are going to win the division but, they do have winning attitude now and are performing well for him.

On any given night its like one or two guys are giving it their all, and the rest just mail it in. They have all the enthusiasm of their fishing manager. When was the last time this team won a come-from-behind game in the ninth?

Told ya I would be placed in SEH next. THIS IS JUST FISHING RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

I can’t blame the players either Jhall. I feel as if they are pawns in a game for the McCourt divorce and/or Ned’s dealings. Too many injuries (or time spent on the DL), too many things said in the media that shouldn’t have been, and the soapy ownership as a whole have just been too much for this team to handle.

I agree enchanted – some of the coaching staff should have been fired a long time ago. However, isn’t that indicative of how this team has been viewed by our owner though……………….just a way to make money regardless of how they team is developing. There has not been one mention of a coach perhaps not doing their job. It’s always about the players sudden inabilities. Once again, how can a young pitcher go so sour so quickly between AAA/AA and up here? There is just something missing in both hitting and pitching (bullpen) these days, and it can’t just be all the players slumping at the same time. The gnats had issues with their hitting last season, and thier hitting coach was let go and they moved onto a new approach. It may or may not work, but at least they tried to change something. You would think it would be easier to make one change in a coach than 25 changes and make it all about the players.

We need a new batting coach, or somebody has to figure this out.
It’s just outs, outs, outs, ground ball outs, fly outs, nothing but outs.
It’s hard to stop the frustration.
The hitters have to be frustrated by now.

I can take losing as long as I feel that they’re leaving it all out on the field. Most of these guys though leave it in the clubhouse before the game even starts, and those that don’t leave it in the dugout once they’re down a run or two.

I agree Nells, its easier to fire one coach than 25 players, but in keeping with the parallels drawn between this ownership and the federal government, they’ll fire the 25 players.

I don’t get this either. How could this group get this bad? I made the comment to my wife a couple of days ago how this team finds ways to lose. Her remark was they certainly are creative. And then some.
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I’ll never jump ship or cease being a Dodger fan, but this year had a different feel to me from the beginning. Starting with the ticket plans, the news about holding the payroll down, and starting the season with a lack of pitching just never seemed right to me. I never did sign up for the radio feed and I don’t check the scores until morning now, seeing as how you have a pretty good idea what the outcome will be. I still keep track of what’s going on, but I do not look as often now.
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I still agree with Bowa, we need players that will play with a bit more urgency. All season.

Not only are they bad, but they’re boring also! This team just quit on Joe, and now if management cared, they’d quit on Joe and Don, and Rick also! The problem is management could care less as long as people go to the ball park and give Frank money to pay his lawyers.

You have to do first things first:
Get rid of the owner. Without that anything else is meaningless at this point. Hopefully Family Court will take care of that issue.
Next: all the coaching staff needs to GO.
All the front office staffing at an executive level needs to GO, except for Logan White and Ng, unless the latter has been too long influenced by Ned, in which case she needs to GO too.

Then we need to start a rebuilding, and that won’t be easy because we have very little major league worthy talent in the minors. We will need a new CATCHER, pretty much all the infield except 1st base, a LEFT FIELDER, and two starting pitchers, assuming that we can keep Kersh and Billz in place. We will need other teams’ top level prospects, and they will have to be obtained through trade. That’s because this ownership and Ned have totally depleted our farm system, which may take years to replenish to a normal level.

We WOULD end up with one of the only Yankee Icons never to win a championship for a manager. Sounds like the McCourt way to me.

Meanwhile, while Joe Torre dawdles on revealing his “decision” to manage the Dodgers beyond this year, for fear that he might throw a lit match on a sinking ship that has transcended beyond “HMS Titanic” status into the current position of “Viking Funeral Inferno”, qualified managers who REALLY want to be Dodgers, like Bobby Valentine, are going to instead man the benches of Seattle and other locations.

Wallach, White and Ng could not be blamed if they are making updates to their resumes, proof-reading them twice. It’s like Kemp and Ethier being blocked by Luis Gonzalez.

I’d rather not know or care what goes on in the Dodgers’ Front Office, but they’re all too happy to air their dirty laundry for all to see. It’s impossible to pretend the ownership problems don’t exist when they’ve spent the better part of five years flagging down the media and paparazzi too inexperienced or old to keep up with the Brangelinas and Bennifers of the world.

“Take advantage while
You hang me out to dry
But I can’t see you every night free…”
– Nirvana, “About a Girl”

I usually do not engage in this sort of topic but since it was brought up in the paper today, would anyone like to see Dusty Baker manage the Dodgers? I recall there was a lot of sentiment for Baker when he was with the Giants but has his allure been tarnished at all? He has had some success and he has also had some detractors. So if Joe does decide he does not want to come back, should the Dodgers look at Baker if he is available and wants the job? Before I read the article I felt Baker had worn out his welcome but according to the article, players like very much playing for him. He seems to get a lot out of his players. He is an ex-Dodger and was really popular as a player.

2012 lineup
Santana (I wish)
Loney/Sands
DeJesus
Gordon (sorry Furcal maybe we can get something for him)
Mitchell (try to get rid of Blake this season or next season)
Russell/Paul/Johnson (you’ve gotta to bring him back.)
Kemp (I’m hoping just a fluke year this season and would rebound next season.)
Ethier

Who care about double A and triple A lol? I bet this lineup would kick butt.

Seriously, though, I think he’s a good manager, maybe he’d do better with the Dodgers than he had been in Cincy.

He’d be on my list of potential managers, and not just for MLB mandated reasons, either.

My coaching wishlist includes: Tim Wallach, Bobby Valentine, Dusty Baker, Orel Hershiser (in some capacity, be it coaching or front office), Steve Yeager, and perhaps Brett Butler, if he’s up to it. We probably already lost out on Gibson.

Looking past the current situation/fiasco surrounding the organization, if McCourt gets to keep the team, and if he REALLY wants to own the Dodgers for the rest of his life, and REALLY wants to do what’s good for this team, He’ll need to cut the crap, dispense with the Giants/RedSox/Yankees castoffs mentatlity, and take Dodger Tradition back from Anaheim (got a little sick typing that sentence).

If these are just the lean times, and McCourt intends on spending money on the players’ payrolls once that TV money comes in, he’ll need to own up to his failings to this point, and let us in on his plan. Even though nobody believed FOX when they would predict Dodgers-Yankees World Series every year, at least their goals were lofty, not just trying to maintain an average good-enough-ness to keep fans in the seats.

A future with McCourt doesn’t have to be a hellish one, though we only have the past to go on. The past HAD to be hellish, because McCourt didn’t have any money to buy the team.

Frank could honor Ned Colletti for his thrifty skills during these lean years (and the team making so many playoff runs under McCourt ownership) by putting him in the front office in a role “higher” than the GM chair, and let Ned sweat it out when the next GM takes multi-million dollar chances adding players in their primes who are worth a bar of soap or two.

AND he would have to lower his profile for a few years, quiet philanthropy being the way into the hearts of a once-scorned fanbase and community. Taking a route similar to the one he took this year (though better executed), have a high-ranking exec who knows as much about baseball as Frank does about litigation, and let him be the mouthpiece of the ownership, and the brains of baseball operations.

Of course, I’m probably giving him a LOT more credit than he’s due. But usually, people can’t do a good job predicting the future based on the feelings of the present.

I’d rather have an owner who has more of a sense of how to run a sports franchise, though. And wouldn’t be too sad if he was forced to sell the team. Sure, it’d be sad that some of the visions he spoke of never came to fruition (except for that dropping-payroll-while-increasing-ticket-prices thing… he’s now learning that 45,000 – 56,000 won’t come out to see a team run like the Pittsburgh Pirates, good time to start changing plans), but if Frank’s detractors are correct, he never intended them to come to fruition anyway.

I think the only one that ready is Mitchell and he’s 25 yrs old but I really don’t know how his defense is at 3rd. Gordon need to cut down on his errors at SS and seeing that DeJesus miss the rest of the season last year that why I said 2012.

Well, like Trumom and Nelly alluded to in earlier posts, we are now relegated to playing for our pride. This season is lost!!! It’s time for you to get back to fundamentals and play to make your moms’ proud of you!!! Let’s go out with some class!!! And, hopefully, crash the G’nat party!!!!!!!!!!!!

These photo only come out when they want to, if it comes out here, I should mention that it was taken in front of the Jackie Robinson/Peehttp://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii148/Joepierrephotos/062709JW170.jpg?1282435247Wee Reese statue

How ya doing everybody.
I hope you all like the pictures I posted on this thread, I hope to get that picture of my daughter Claudine out to you as soon as my PC stops being so fickle.
Well our line up features 48 HRs and 251 RBI with Manny in it.
Loney would’ve brought it up another 7 and 68, but I guess we have to get a look at Gibbons at first tonight.
Let’s hope the offense can get something going tonight and break out of this horrible slump.
GO DODGERS!!!

Yes, ~Nelly~ it is a very good looking ballpark. Especially the the Jackie Robinson Rotunda.
It’s a great place for a Dodger fan to see.
The Met fans complained about it but now they have their Hall of Fame, to go with it.

oldbrooklynfan ~ IMO Billingsley didn’t run as hard as he could have. I know he’s a large butt pitcher, but when he’s that close to getting a hit you like to see him bust it a little. Even Vin mentioned he thought and the crowd was booing Billingsley because he jogged to first.

Good Morning ITDland ~ Vinny is going to make his announcement before today’s game, as to his plans. Since he already knows what he is going to do, and is holding a press confernce, I believe, unfortunately, he will be leaving us. If he does indeed retire, I will be one very unhappy Dodger fan. He makes many ugly games bearable. A true class act. To replace him will be impossible. Maybe, adequate, but, nothing like the original.

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