Also there are eight (8) episodes by Zaid Hamid under the title of Spiritual Dimensions of Pakistan where he exclusively mentions Shah Nematullah Wali's Qaseeda and events (past, present and future) in an orderly fashion.

There is a link to part two of the Takreer by the Maulana Sahab it is a great speech i have personally learned quite a bit from it.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains,
jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier". - Rudyard Kipling

Here are my thought with regards to the Hadith e Mubarak that the same military that will conquer bhindia will turn around and go to isreal and shall find Hazrat Isa AS there. If one bears in mind yet another Hadith e Mubarak that Imam Ehdi will be in medina and will be trying to get away from "firqah wari mullahs", one will realize the following two things:

1. The arab world will still be ridden with firqah wari issues where muslims toss kuffar fatwas at each other, so much so, that Imam Ehdi will get sick and tired of them and will want to get away.

2. Out of all the Muslims in the world, the Muslims of Pakistan and Afghanistan will be the first to eliminate the firqah wari issues and unite purely in the name of Islam due to which they will become capable of conquering bhindia. After this, Muslims of Pakistan and Afghanistan will realize that now that one front having been decisively dealt with, they should turn and help there arab Muslim brothers who are facing an imminent threat from isreal yet are to divided to be able to do anything about it.

The underlying common denominator in my theory is that Pakistan and Afghanistan are destined to become one nation, the start of the Khilafah that will culminate into Khilafat e Minhaaj un Nubuwah.

So basically a Third World War involving pretty much whole globe pitting muslims agaisnt non muslims will erupt (from Middle East to South Asia)...... and India will be conquered by Pakistan first. Only then the army from Pakistan will march towards the assistance of Imam Mehdi.

This Ghazwa has already happened, When Mohammad Bin Qasim took to Taking over Parts of India..

How can it happen if Imam Mehdi hasnt arrived yet?

from what I know:

There will be a hajj where three groups of muslims will fight each other and so much muslim blood will spill that the place where one hit Shaitan will flow with Muslim blood. (Most likely a Saudi-Iranian killing match)

Only after that, Hazrat Imam Mehdi will be discovered in Makkah. His father's name will be Abdullah, mother's name would be Amina and his name would be Mohammad. He will be 40 years old at that time.

This Ghazwa has already happened, When Mohammad Bin Qasim took to Taking over Parts of India..

That's a negative bro. You are right that parts of bhindia were conquered by Mohammed bin Qasim but that was NOT a Ghazwa. By definition, a Ghazwa is a war where Huzur himself is involved. The Hadith e Mubarak is very clear that this will be a Ghazwa since Islam's major stake will be involved in it. It is also clear that the same military forces will turn around spearhead into isreal where they will find Hazra Isa AS.

That's a negative bro. You are right that parts of bhindia were conquered by Mohammed bin Qasim but that was NOT a Ghazwa. By definition, a Ghazwa is a war where Huzur himself is involved. The Hadith e Mubarak is very clear that this will be a Ghazwa since Islam's major stake will be involved in it. It is also clear that the same military forces will turn around spearhead into isreal where they will find Hazra Isa AS.

We will have the same corrupt government and the same corrupt system, and to think as if something INCREDIBLE will happen in 2 to 3 years times that will make these corrupt people lead the Muslims is childish.

I am making a note of this thread and other threads like this--and if we are all still alive in 2013 I will give a link to this thread as ask "WELL WHAT'S NEXT??"

Humanity's past on this planet is based on the biggest Lie in History--and the same Lie will destroy humans in future! The Truth is infront of us and yet we refuse to accept it, we refuse to see it, we refuse to listen to it. Humans are intelligent and yet the dumbest beings ever!

We will have the same corrupt government and the same corrupt system, and to think as if something INCREDIBLE will happen in 2 to 3 years times that will make these corrupt people lead the Muslims is childish.

I am making a note of this thread and other threads like this--and if we are all still alive in 2013 I will give a link to this thread as ask "WELL WHAT'S NEXT??"

Also post your cell# so that if things do turn around then Aliph Ahmed can call you and say "I TOLD YA SO" (I'll be too busy opening up a can a whoopass on dem hinjus during Ghazwa e hind). ;-)

The future prediction is not time bound it might take years or hundreds of yearsI think Ghazwa-i-hind is combination of socio-political struggle of Muslims of Subcontinent against Hindu samaj on one hand and fight against the western allies of hindu,s on other handI think start was 1947, second phase was 1971, third phase was invasion of Afghanistan by USSR fourth phase is Invasion of USA of AfghanistanNow why I say US invasion of Afghanistan is a part of this war because their presence in Afghanistan is basically to boost India and take her our of the strategic defensive position which they were at the time of death of Late General Zia.Launch of Benazir and other liberal elements was part of this game plan to slow down the strategic offensive of Pakistan failure of Benazir/Nawaz sharif/musharaf to tackle the global jehadi anarchists lead to direct intervention of US in Afghanistan.The freedom of Afghanistan will be end of Phase fourThe strategic alliance of central Asia and Pakistan and Afghanistan will be phase fiveanexation of kashmir will be phase six which will result in massive bloodshed of Indian Muslims and would result in an absolute war at grand scale or civil wars in India .

In the dead veins of east life blood has once again start flowingThis secret cant be understood by Muslim Intellect (Ibn Sina or Ibn Faraabi)

I will say this, none of us are claiming to for sure know future as only Allah (swt) knows that, but given Religious & spiritual text and some knowledge of current events we are trying to deduce possible outcome in the future.

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Thawban (RA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) said, “Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the Hellfire – a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with ‘Esa son of Maryam (AS)”- Sunan Nasai, Vol 03, Book: Battle, Chapter: Battle of Hind. Hadith: 4384

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Abu Huraira (RA) said, “The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that event, I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Huraira (RA) who has been freed from the fire of hell.”- Sunan Nasai, Vol 03, Book: Battles, Chapter: Battle of Hind. Hadith: 4382, 4383

Before we jump into this topic we should understand the classical and traditional understanding among the Ulema.

- Some believe the Hadith in Sunan Nasai are weak- Some believe they are not weak, but this event has transpired with Muhammed Bin Qasim- Some believe that this was not Muhammed bin Qasim conquest rather Mehmood Ghaznavi conquest, while others point to numerous Muslim conquest of India originating from Central Aisa and Mughals.- Scholars have placed emphasis on “Black flags from Khurasaan” narrative over “Ghazwa-e-Hind” narrative.

There are some Ulema who don’t agree with the above understanding and argue that Ghazwa-e-Hind has not happened yet and it will happen in later days, and that Black Flag from Khurasaan and Ghazwa-e-Hind are both equally important events that will take place sometime in the future. I personally agree with the later viewpoint.

I see the following events unfolding, and Allah knows best

- Emergence of Khilafa Rashda system in Pakistan sometime in the future which will bring back the time of Khilafa Ala Minah An Nabuwa, its signs will be the following

o Unification of All Muslims sects, plague of sectarianism will be destroyed, just as Sunni, Shite, Hanfi, Maliki, Hambali, Salafi, Sufi, Wahabi, Deobandi, Bralveli pray shoulder to shoulder in Masjid Harram in Mecca and in Masjid Nabawi, so shall be the case in this Khilafat. All will become brothers and exhibit true brotherhood.o Justice system will be the best in the world, so much so that minorities will have confidence in this system, so much so that Mazloom will have confidence in this systemo When one will look at a Muslim leader of Pakistan, he will find him to be a Khadim of the people who is God fearing (has Taqwa). Where ultimate sovereignty will be with Allah (swt).o Such a state would not be a war-mongering state, It would prefer peace with its neighbors on equal and mutual co-existence, that means that such a state will not accept one sided shameful terms in order to realize peace. Such a state would defend its honor if attacked but would prefer a respectable peace if it can be realized.

- A Khilafa Rashda system will be a powerful system and will most definitely become a threat to the World which is why Pakistan will be attacked. The primary attack would not come from Chinese or Iranian border, neither it will come from Afghanistan as no-one has been able to control Afghanistan in recent history. The primary thrust of an attack on Pakistan will come from India as India would not want to have peace with Pakistan where both sides have to give something. Seeing that a Khilafa Rashda system has emerged and that Pakistan has refused to accept one sided (lop sided) peace where Pakistan gets nothing and India maintain status quo, India will initiate an attack. In the media any number of excuses or false flag operations can be used to sell the idea of an attack on Pakistan, but make no mistake aggression will be initiated by India. India is the only nation in Asia which US and western nations see as a counterweight to China. India and China are both competing for natural resources to sustain their growing economies. In the case of India it has two options, Central Asia and Middle East, and both of these areas lies to the west of India in between them is Pakistan. Strong Pakistan is not in the interest of India or the US long terms plan. So there will be a number of reasons why India will be forced to attack Pakistan. One thing is for sure though this Ghazwa will not happen until Pakistan is able to get its own house in order, Allah (swt) is not going to give victory to people of “failure” so that they can replicate that “failure” in India and bring bad name to Islam. Pakistan needs to have a strong system, its house in order first, then it can be a light beacon for rest of the world & lower caste Indians.

- Pakistan will initially loose some territory but will eventually win the war and capture Delhi and its forces will reach as far as Allahabad inshallah where it all started in 1930. Most of India will become Muslim, because after a long time in History Muslim will once again show their faith with their character. Muslim actions will speak for itself.

- Once this happens, Look for peace to come to Afghanistan, as Khilafa Rashda model will knock some sense into All Afghanis who for years have been fighting among each other.

- With this event world politics will change forever, look for Asian tiger to roar like it has never roar before, current International monetary system will almost collapse and there will be emergence of two new monetary system in parallel one will be led by Pakistan, China while the other by Western Powers with its nerve center in Israel. There will be huge suffering in developed countries as new western monetary system will be oppressive, looks for mass migration of Muslims from Developed nations to Pakistan. Pakistan will attract best talent from Muslim world, at that time Muslim will again see what Allama Iqbal said: Ataa Momin Ko Phir Dargaah-e-Haq Sey Honay Walaa He; Shikoh-e-Turkmaani; Zahan Hindi, Nutaq Aaraabi (beliver will again be bestowed from the house of truth with bravery & valor of Ottoman Turks, Intellect of Indians, and eloquence of Arab). With fall of India, Russia will become important for western powers to curtail the roaring Asian tiger, Russia would not play that game and most likely there will be a western world conflict with Russia.

- With the collapse of current International monetary system looks for diminishing role of US, and emergence of Israel in Middle East. There will be huge turmoil within Middle East, there is a good chance Iran will be attacked. And a good chance that army from Khurasaan (Afghanistan) to emerge marching westwards at that time. After the death of a Saudi King, look for three prince to fight for control over the Monarchy each trying to gain control of Hijaz to gain legitimacy. At that time Mehdi shall emerge and control Hijaz, look for Muslim world to unify behind Mehdi (shite, sunni, sufi, wahabi, etc). There will be some from each sect who will be fasadi, who will cling to sectarian blanket and oppose Mehdi, but they will not be able to do anything. Pakistan will be the first country to lend support to Mehdi.

Also post your cell# so that if things do turn around then Aliph Ahmed can call you and say "I TOLD YA SO" (I'll be too busy opening up a can a whoopass on dem hinjus during Ghazwa e hind). ;-)

Yes !!

QUOTE (Ababeel @ Mar 30 2010, 10:24 AM)

- With the collapse of current International monetary system looks for diminishing role of US, and emergence of Israel in Middle East. There will be huge turmoil within Middle East, there is a good chance Iran will be attacked. And a good chance that army from Khurasaan (Afghanistan) to emerge marching westwards at that time. After the death of a Saudi King, look for three prince to fight for control over the Monarchy each trying to gain control of Hijaz to gain legitimacy. At that time Mehdi shall emerge and control Hijaz, look for Muslim world to unify behind Mehdi (shite, sunni, sufi, wahabi, etc). There will be some from each sect who will be fasadi, who will cling to sectarian blanket and oppose Mehdi, but they will not be able to do anything. Pakistan will be the first country to lend support to Mehdi.

Very detailed analysis.

I always thought that three groups would be Iran, Saudi and Yemeni groups fighting each other but three men and their supporters registering a claim on the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia makes more sense.

So is it safe to conclude that Pakistan will conquer India before Mehdi is discovered ?

So is it safe to conclude that Pakistan will conquer India before Mehdi is discovered ?

Allah Knows best, but from what little I know thus far Yes! Obviously there will be other members who will interpret religious & spirtual text differently, it would be interesting to hear other viewpoints.

Here are more hadith on Ghazwa-e-Hind in addition to the one that are posted above from Sunan Nasai

Hassan Hadith: Riwayat Abu Hurairah~ Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal 369/2."In this Ummah, Lashkars will go to Sindh & Hind. If i (Abu Hurairah) got the opportunity to participate and get Shahadat, fine. If i come back as Ghazi, i'll be a free Abu Hurairah, freed by Allah swt from hell fire"

...................................................................Plz also raise this viewpoint:Those who are of the view that Ghazwa'e Hind has already taken place when Muhammad bin Qasim conquered sindh are mistaken. The above Hadith clearly talks abt Sindh & Hind. Yes, sindh has been conquered by Muslims but Hind still remains and we also see that Hind went out of the hands of Muslims in British colonial rule and now it's in the hands of Hindus. So we can see the period from Muhammad ibn Qasim to present day as a continuous struggle between Muslims & Kaafirs to get hold of Hind. Ghazwa'e Hind is abt a decisive final victory for Muslims where Hind will permanently go out from the hands of Kaafirs and then this same Muslim force will turn around to help Imam Mahdi.

Now i don't know when this event will take place or will it be Pak army, only Allah swt' knows the best!

Allah Knows best, but from what little I know thus far Yes! Obviously there will be other members who will interpret religious & spirtual text differently, it would be interesting to hear other viewpoints.

Here are more hadith on Ghazwa-e-Hind in addition to the one that are posted above from Sunan Nasai

Whoever is in Pakistan try to meet molana akram awan,I have heard about him since 1987 but unlukily never had a chance to meet him and he is extra ordinary person as per ravi,s but darogh ba gardan-i-ravi he is bit of sahib-i-karamat

Hassan Hadith: Riwayat Abu Hurairah~ Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal 369/2."In this Ummah, Lashkars will go to Sindh & Hind. If i (Abu Hurairah) got the opportunity to participate and get Shahadat, fine. If i come back as Ghazi, i'll be a free Abu Hurairah, freed by Allah swt from hell fire"

...................................................................Plz also raise this viewpoint:Those who are of the view that Ghazwa'e Hind has already taken place when Muhammad bin Qasim conquered sindh are mistaken. The above Hadith clearly talks abt Sindh & Hind. Yes, sindh has been conquered by Muslims but Hind still remains and we also see that Hind went out of the hands of Muslims in British colonial rule and now it's in the hands of Hindus. So we can see the period from Muhammad ibn Qasim to present day as a continuous struggle between Muslims & Kaafirs to get hold of Hind. Ghazwa'e Hind is abt a decisive final victory for Muslims where Hind will permanently go out from the hands of Kaafirs and then this same Muslim force will turn around to help Imam Mahdi.

Now i don't know when this event will take place or will it be Pak army, only Allah swt' knows the best!

Thank you Abu Basit.

The reason why I opened this thread in Thinktank category is to save it from being abused by our "future subjects" (Bhangees).

Abu Huraira (Ra) states that my close and dear friend Messenger of Allah (pbuh) told me that: “Indeed from this Ummah there shall rise battalions that will head toward Sindh & Hind”. Abu Huraira (Ra) after narrating this Hadith says that: If I got an opportunity to take part in this campaign and if I am martyred then it is good, but if I returned (victorious) alive I will be like free Abu Huraira who is freed from Hell by Allah (swt).

References:

This hadith was reported by Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad known as (Musnad Ahmed). Ibn Kathir has referenced this Hadith from Musnad of Imam Ahmed in his book Al-Bidaya Wan-Nihaya. Imam Nasai has also recorded the same Hadith in his Sunan Nasai as well as Sunan Al-Mujtaba. Qadi Ahmed Shakir in his explanation of Musnad of Ahmed has stated this hadith is Hassan (good) status.

Imam Bayhaqi in his “Sunan Al Kubra” has recorded a slight variation of this hadith narrated by Abu Huraira (RA)

“Messenger of Allah (pbuh) made a promise to us about Ghawa-e-Hind”. Abu Huraira (RA) further says that if I get an opportunity to participate in this campaign then I will spend my life and wealth in this endeavor. And If I am martyred then I will be among the best martyred, and If I return victorious then I will return as a free Abu Huraira.

Allama Sayutti in “Khasais Al Kubra” and Imam Bayhaqi in “Dalai’l An-Nabuwa” have yet recorded another variation of this hadith with the addition of this phrase from Abu Hurarira (RA)

Abu Huraira: “My wish is that in trade/exchange for each of those Ghazwa’s that I did in bilad-rum (conquest of Rome, at the time Syria and other roman territories), I had the opportunity to take part in the campaign in Maribud (A place east of Arabia in route towards Hind)”

Other who have narrated this hadith or its slight variations are

- Abu Naeem Isfahani in his book Hulyat-ul-Auliya- Imam Hakim in Mustadrak Ala Sahiyain (without commenting on its status)- Saeed bin Mansur in his Sunan - Khateeb Baghdadi in his Tareekh Baghdad- Imam Bukhari’s teacher Naeem bin Hammad in his book entitled Fitan- Ibn Abi Aasim in his book entitled Jihad- Ibn Abi Haatim in his book Al-Ulaal- Imam Bukhari in his book At-Tareekh Al-Kabeer- Imam Al-Mizzi in his book Tahzeeb- Hafiz ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani in his book Tahzeeb Al-Tahzeeb

Overall this hadith is widely accepted and its status is Hasan “Good” or Sahih “Authentic”.

Thawban (RA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said, “Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the Hellfire – a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with ‘Esa son of Maryam (AS)”

“For sure a group from amongst you (Muslims) will be in war with Hind. Allah (swt) will bless these mujahedeen with victory until they (mujahedeen) bring Hindu rulers in shackles and Allah (swt) will forgive them (mujahedeen). Then once they return they will find Isa the son of marry in Syria.”Abu Huraira (RA) further says that: If I found an opportunity to join this Ghazwa then I would sell all my acquired wealth and participate in this campaign. When Allah (swt) bless us with victory and I return back as a Free Abu Huraira with glory to Syria and meet Isa son of Marry. O Messenger of Allah (pbuh) I have a strong desire now that once I meet Isa son of Marry that I tell Isa (AS) that I am your (pbuh) companion.The recorder (Rawi) of this Hadith has stated after this that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) smiled and said “Very difficult, very difficult”

References:This Hadith is recorded by Naeem Bin Hammad in his book titled Fitan. Ishaq bin Rahoweya has also has recorded this hadtih in his Sunan with a slight variation.

A ruler of Jerusalem will send a battalion and attack Hind. Mujahedeen will overrun Hind, and get hold of its wealth, and then ruler of Jerusalem will use this wealth for the benefit of Jerusalem. The battalion of Mujahedeen will capture Hindu rulers in shackles and present them to the ruler of Jerusalem. Mujahedeen on the order of the ruler will conquer all the area in-between east and west and will preside in Hind until the coming of Anti-Christ (dajjal).

References:This Hadith is recorded by Naeem Bin Hammad and in Imam Bukhari’s book Fitan. The chain of narrator directly from Ka’ab (RA) is missing in this hadith so this hadith is considered a “Broken” hadith.

“From my Ummah some people will engage in war with Hind, Allah (swt) will bestow them with victory so much so that they will find leaders of Hind in shackles. Allah (swt) will forgive these Mujahedeen and when they will turn towards Syria they will find Isa son of Marry there.”

References:This Hadith is recorded by Naeem Bin Hammad in his book Fitan.

However i do not think it will happen in the near future. Pakistanis are morally, religiously too corrupted to conduct such an undertaking at the moment. We need to revive Islam in Pakistan first. We need to free our youth from the clutches of westernization and secularism. Only then we will be in a position to fight any sort of major religious war.

This is the flag of Islam, for you cannot separate the Muslim league from Islam. Many people misunderstand us when we talk of Islam, particularly our Hindu friends. When we say this flag is the flag of Islam, they think that we are introducing religion into politics, A FACT OF WHICH WE ARE PROUD. Islam gives us a complete code. It is not only a religion, but it contains laws, philosophy and politics. It contains everything that matters to a man from morning to night. When we talk of Islam, we take it as an all embracing word.

- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah (11th January 1938)

Let us go back to our holy book, the Quran. Let us revert to the Hadeeth and the the great traditions of Islam which have everything in them for our guidance if we correctly interpret them and follow our great Holy book, the Quran.

- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah (6th March 1946)

"It is my strong belief, that there is no ideology which is more democratic, enlightened and progressive than Islam."

Gazwai -e-hind means a war lead by prophet peace be upon him in India.Now prophet declared war on the people who took interest (riba)I think the word Gazwa was used by hazoor peace be upon him with a purpose 'This war will be a mile stone in world history and would change the course of civilizations with everlsting impact on every human ,s life may it be living style way of thinking because it will start from India but end in Jerusalem. but will engulf entire world in processWe should not confuse our self , war is on already and it will be fought on economic,cultural fronts as well.The present rulers will become meaningless in due course of time

The wave would come from Saudi Arabia or Iraq, taking over Iran, then Afghanistan, then Pakistan, and then finally a war with India led by Hazrat Isa (PBUH). And then to Jerusalem after that.

With all due respect bro, your take goes against the Hadith that says that forces will come from the area of the khorasaan. But your take says that the forces will come from the middle east which is wrong.

- Will the forces originate from Khorasan or be there for some time and then launch their war efforts from there? - As I understand, Khorasan is somewhere between Afghanistan and Iran?

Well Khorasan is pretty much most of afghanistan, most of Pakistan and a quarter of Iran. Iran is definitely a good sign because it is a clear indictation that the shia sunni divide would be gone in Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan which is my dream come true. Baaqi to yaar Allah hi janay, meri itni kia haysiat, I'm no sheikh ul Hadith bro.

May Allah forgive me if I am wrong ... but Allah knows main aim is to understand the hadith with open mind instead of blindly following Zaid Hamid .. I respect him when he speaks about Patriotism but I disagree with him when he goes with NATIONALISM ..

My opinion is with Dr Israr from Pakistan , Dr Zakir from India , Dr Javed Ahmed Ghamidi from Pakistan + many other Scholars who strongly oppose Zaid Hamid's speec using the above mentioned hadiths for political or military motives to invade India or more bluntly speaking .. Pakistan army conquering Dehli, Calcutta, Banglore , Mumbai - upcoming Ghazwa Hind as one of the last signs of Judgement Day..

Intellectual Reason to disagree with Islamic point of view :

1) None of these ahadiths is found in reliable soruces like Bukhari, Muslim, Mu’atta etc. None of above mentioned five ahadees are found in Sihah-e-Sitta. ( set of the most authenticate books of ahadiths after Quran)

2) it must be remembered that it would have been very easy for Muslim conquerors of India in the past, men like Mahmud of Ghazni, Shihabuddin Ghori, Timur, Nadir Shah and so on, to present the hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind and wield it as a weapon to justify their attacks on the country. The corrupt ulema associated with their courts could well have suggested this to them had they wished. However, no such mention is made about this in history books. In the eighteenth century, the well-known Islamic scholar Shah Waliullah of Delhi invited the Afghan warlord Ahmad Shah Abdali to invade India and dispel the Marathas, which he accepted, but yet Shah Waliullah, too, did not use this hadith as a pretext for this.

3) The hadiths mentioned above are narrated through a single chain. Reported only once through one companion of the Prophet.

4) Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of ahadees.

5) Lets suppose.. what if they are authentic ? still We don`t have any history report telling us about the use of these ahadees in the past by Muslim rulers or conquerors, even those who did invade India or waged a war on it. If they were respected and authentic ahadees, we should have such history reports... these ahadiths are ONLY extra-ordinary highlighted by our Defence Analyst of Pakistan.. Zaid Hamid..

Islamic Scholars of the World who disagree with concept of UPCOMING Ghazwa e Hind :

Dr Israr

Javed Ghamidi

Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani

Mufti Sajid Qasmi

Maulana Mufti Mushtaq Tijarvi of the Jamaat-i Islami Hind

Ayotullah Fadlallah

PS : I appreciate Zaid Hamid when he speak about Patriotism in youth .. if we see .. 98% of his work is excellent .. but I disagree when speak about NATIONALISM in youth + I request all people here who are close to Zaid Hamid or in contact with him to convince him on this issue ...

There is also another renowned molvee talking about Gazwa e hind. Link to video is posted on first post.

Also there is the prophecy of Shah Nematullah wali.

and etc.

If you do google, there are two topics you will find least links

Ghazwa e Hind.

Somnat.

Plus, I dont think anyone in the Indian subcontinent and specilly on PDF has any doubt that an Indo-Pak war will not happen. It is inevitable and when it happens, India will flex its quantitative muscle and Pakistanis offcourse will retaliate in defence...

Perfectly goes along the prophecy of Nematullah wali:

India will attack Pakistan.

India will capture some parts of Lahore.

Paksitanis will fight back and when pushing India will end up all the way to Allahabad.

Also, the only people in Indian armed forces capable of fighting are Sikhs. The rest are all bhangees who cant fight and use Sikhs on frontlines as cannon fodders.. Once the initial assault of Sikhs is over greatly depleting their numbers, there will be no one in Indian armed forces that will be able to stop Pakistan.

1) None of these ahadiths is found in reliable soruces like Bukhari, Muslim, Mu’atta etc. None of above mentioned five ahadees are found in Sihah-e-Sitta. ( set of the most authenticate books of ahadiths after Quran)

Hadith Number 2 is from Sunan Nasai. Also other books of hadith are also given for the above five mentioned hadith, its not like they are reported in just one book.

Sunni Scholars dont limit themselves to just these books, they are widely accepted, but there are other books of hadith as well like

Muwatta of Imam MalikImam Bayahqi workImam Daraqutni workSahih of Ibn HibbanSahih of Ibn Khuzayma (which was lost but recently discovered 1/3 by Dr. Hamidullah)Musanaf of Ibn Abi ShaybaMujam works of Imam TabaraniMusnad of Imam Ahmed (who is the leader of one fiqh school), etc.

QUOTE (Speedray @ Apr 2 2010, 10:42 AM)

Islamic Scholars of the World who disagree with concept of UPCOMING Ghazwa e Hind :

Dr Israr

Javed Ghamidi

Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani

Mufti Sajid Qasmi

Maulana Mufti Mushtaq Tijarvi of the Jamaat-i Islami Hind

Ayotullah Fadlallah

True these Scholars place more weight on "Flags from Khurasan" narrative over "Ghazwa-e-Hind" narrative. The only problem is that Black flag hadith talks about Khurasan army killing Muslims like they have never been killed before and ends with all Muslim unifying under the command of Mehdi. In between there are events which Thawban (RA) can’t remember and Thawaban (RA) is the one who has narrated the Hadith. I would really like to know what these scholars think those missing events are? That will suddenly lead from Muslim Civil war to Muslim becoming a powerful force under Mehdi?

Since we are talking about black flags from Khurasaan narrative I thought I share what little I know on this subject. The most famous Hadith on this narrative is a Hadith by Thawban (RA) which was recorded by Ibn Majah in his sunan (Ibn Maja Sunan is one of the book from Sihah-e-Sitta).

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Famous Hadith on Black Flags from East (khurasan)

Thawban (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said: “ Three persons of my Ummah would fight with one another near your treasure. Every one of them would be a caliph’s son. Then It would not be rendered to none of them. Thereafter many black standards would appear from the east. Then they would kill you at such a large scale as no people has killed you”

Thawban (RA) then says that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said something which I could not preserve in my memory.

Then Thawban (RA) says that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said: “When you see him (Mahdi), take an oath of allegiance to him even if you have crawl over ice (snow) for he is the vicegerent of Allah, Al-Mahdi”

References:

Ibn Majah 4084. Al-Zawaid said that this chain of narration is authentic and that this hadith is Sahih. Al-Hakim has also transmitted this Hadith in Al-Mustadrik and said its sahih.

Different Opinions on the matter from Classical Scholars:

- One opinion is of Ibn Khaldun, Allama Iqbal & few scholars that they didn’t believe in any Mehdi concept. The reason is obvious because they argued Muslim in waiting for the savior figure forget to do the obvious as mentioned in the Quran “Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves” Quran 13: 11. But In the case of Allama Iqbal, where he didnt believe in Mehdi concept he did believe in a savior figure (a true leader) to come and change the destiny of this region. Allama Iqbal says in his farsi poetry "Mir-Asad Marde Keh Zanjeer-e-Ghulamaan Shabqanat; Dedaam Maz Roznay Dewaar Zindan-e-Shumaan" (I am seeing a man who will break all type of chain of enslavement; I see a man coming from behind the breaking Jail Walls that surround you today)

- Other Say this Hadith is week because during the time when Abbasid were in Khurasan, and were building a campaign to overthrow Ummayad dynasty they fabricated number of hadith narratives to support their cause to overthrow Ummayad dynasty. Hence some Ulema don’t believe in this narrative.

- Other says that these hadiths are sahih and that Abbasid used these valid Hadith to gain political edge but it still doesn’t discount the validity of Black flags narrative. They argue the mere fact that Abbasid used this give credence to this hadith because it shows that Black flag narrative was pervalent among Muslims of the time and widely accepted, thats why Abbasid used it to their advantage.

- While Other say that this Hadith is not that authentic because it conflicts with the Hadith that Imam Mehdi will emerge from Medina and seek refuge in Mecca, hence how can he emerge from Khurasan when he will emerge from Medina.

- Shite brothers also believe in this narrative but they argue that black flag army will be headed by a guy name Shuaib from the tribe of Tamim who will fight a person name Sufyani (from the progeny of Abu Sufyan (RA)). Sufyani will be a tyrant who will plunder Kufa & Middle east, who will also attack Mehdi once he emerges but will fail and then Black flags from Khurasan will come under the leadership of Shuaib who will defeat Sufyani bringing peace and then they will join up with Mehdi in Syria.

- Some have suggested that this hadith indicates that there will be a Khilafa present before the coming of Mehdi due to the mention of three son of Caliph. Others argue that these are caliphs but like the caliphs of later muslim empires not necessarily the righteous caliphs.

There are other Ulema who don’t agree with Ibn Khaldun opinion because they argue that Hadith of Mehdi is mutawatir (too many to discount the concept of Mehdi). They also argue that the hadith on black flags narrative are true because there are so many hadith talking about it, and that one cant discount it as mere Abasid propaganda. They also argue that Mehdi will indeed come from Medina seeking refuge in Mecca, but his army will come from Khurasan. Meaning that Mehdi will not appear from Khurasan rather his army will. They also argue that emergence of Mehdi will unify Muslim Ummah world over, despite the fact that Shite and Sunni sources differ on the signs of coming of Mehdi (Shites believe that he is the twelve Imam (still alive) and from progeny of Hussain ibn Ali (RA),while sunni argue that he will be a pious person born in later days and will be from progeny of Hassan ibn Ali (RA)).

IMO, what Skullbuster and other have said is true, Allah’s help will not come until we Muslims help ourselves first. This is the sunnah of Allah (swt), Muslim have to initiate the change first amongst themselves then Allah (swt) will bless it with righteous leadership and his assistance. Secondly, IMO I think there will indeed be a Khilafa Rashda (most likely in Pakistan) before the coming of Mehdi, and it will fully become complete when Mehdi will emerge to gain control of Hijaz and Pakistan will lend its support. This means that in this hadith the “caliph sons” doesn’t really mean that they will be the sons of a righteous Khilafa, rather I think it means that they will be three sons of a Muslim ruler (IMO three Saudi prince). its obvious from the hadith that black flag from Khurasaan will kill Muslims meaning there will be civil war and a lot of fitna the scale of which we have never seen before. In such a state there is no chance that a nation that is at civil war killing one another, to fight external forces and gain control of Jerusalem. Something will happen that will cause the Muslim to stop fighting amongst each other and unify under the command of Mehdi. I think the key part of this hadtih is missing and that is the part that Thawban (RA) forgot from his memory in the middle of the hadith. I think it’s the wisdom of Allah (swt) that this part is not known, and it’s a secret. But we do know that once those missing events unfold it will lead to unification of the ummah under the leadership of Mehdi. My guess & opinion is that the missing events in between this hadith are what I have mentioned in post #15 and Allah knows best (ghazwa-e-hind, establishment of Khilafa Rashda, End to sectarianism & true brotherhood in Pakistan, peace in Afghanistan, leading to emergence of Mehdi). Indeed Pakistan Allah ke Razzon mein say eik Raaz hey, there is a reason Pakistan pe Allah ka karam he, despite our shortcomings, only Allah (swt) knows how Pakistan fits in his planning, we can only make guesses based on the religious & spiritual text available to us.

indian and ppakistani molvees will try their best to confuse the muslim ummah about ghazwa e hind. infact they(bhindian molvees) are on payroll of bhindia. 63 years ago, when creation of Pakistan was in process then Aulia karam were giving good news but these type of molvees were against Pakistan. they had no vision. Pakistan ban gaya.Creation of Pakistan was one of the step for ghazwa e hind.

Many Aulia karams predicted this and All indian and Pakistani Aulia karam are giving good news about this. but this war will be very tough.Allah pak hamian Es main shamil honay ki taufeeq farmaay Ameeeen

I will refer one book the author of the book is Mumtaz mufti and title is "Alakh nagri "you will read How Indian Aulia karam also involve with Pakistani matters. they love Pakistan like we love Pakistan.

There is also another renowned molvee talking about Gazwa e hind. Link to video is posted on first post.

Also there is the prophecy of Shah Nematullah wali.

and etc.

If you do google, there are two topics you will find least links

Ghazwa e Hind.

Somnat.

Plus, I dont think anyone in the Indian subcontinent and specilly on PDF has any doubt that an Indo-Pak war will not happen. It is inevitable and when it happens, India will flex its quantitative muscle and Pakistanis offcourse will retaliate in defence...

Perfectly goes along the prophecy of Nematullah wali:

India will attack Pakistan.

India will capture some parts of Lahore.

Paksitanis will fight back and when pushing India will end up all the way to Allahabad.

Also, the only people in Indian armed forces capable of fighting are Sikhs. The rest are all bhangees who cant fight and use Sikhs on frontlines as cannon fodders.. Once the initial assault of Sikhs is over greatly depleting their numbers, there will be no one in Indian armed forces that will be able to stop Pakistan.

Brother AliphAkram Awan sahib is not molvee he is renowned scholar from Naqshbandia Silsala (according to my knowledge).

and 2nd about Lahore Lahore will not be captured but it will be attacked (may be nuclear attack).