LasersHurt:So they continue to say "THE US DIVERTED THE PLANE" even though there is, as of yet, no evidence of that?

The main export from Bolivia - the poorest country in South America - has been coca leaves.. the things that the Colombians turn into cocaine, send to Mexico, who turn it into crack and ship it over the border for people to take and die in the street.

In the early 2000s, the USA provided the conservative Bolivian government with a lot of money on the proviso that they went into the coca field and start chopping down and burning the plants. The peasant farmers saw their livelyhood going up in smoke, and started blockading the roads connecting various cities - Cochabamba to Santa Cruz in particular. Evo Morales was one of the senior leaders, and the profile that he obtained through the protests led to his election as President, where he's stayed ever since.

So Bolivians don't have a lot of love for the US, and that blaming America for everything that goes wrong is politically expedient.

sheumack:In the early 2000s, the USA provided the conservative Bolivian government with a lot of money on the proviso that they went into the coca field and start chopping down and burning the plants. The peasant farmers saw their livelyhood going up in smoke, and started blockading the roads connecting various cities - Cochabamba to Santa Cruz in particular. Evo Morales was one of the senior leaders, and the profile that he obtained through the protests led to his election as President, where he's stayed ever since.

If only there were a way to turn coca leaves into pharmaceuticals that could be beneficial and that trade restrictions on the plant be lifted to allow those farmers to export their product to legitimate markets.

if Snowden had been on the plane, then fark Bolivia... but since he wasn't, obviously the European countries that withdrew their permission to use their airspace and the American officials that asked for it are basically a-holes who acted on what must have been bad information. Had he been the president of some rich-non-brown country, i doubt they would have dared to act that way on whatever shiatty information they had (it couldn't have been that good, since it turned out to be crap). If only Bolivia could get some other third world countries outraged at this and get them to agree to randomly revoke permission to use their air spaces for official flights from the countries involved just to fark with them whenever possible.

Well, Snowden's farked. Sure Obama, SURE you're not pulling some behind-the-scenes strings with other countries. Sure - you're not negotiating, you just likely told the world "when it comes out who helped this assholes, we're not going to forgive & forget".

LasersHurt:International law exists. Multiple Nations decided they didn't want him in their airspace, and diverted him.

While it's because of Snowden, that's a far cry from "The US diverted the plane."

Why do you think that happened? The point was to corner the plane by not allowing space for it to flight without doing a major aerial change of route. The US can't just forbid the plane from flying over other countries, they need the officials of those countries to emit the order, but it's not as if they weren't behind it. If I hire you to do murder someone, I'm also guilty of the crime regardless of me not shooting the guy or even being there when you kill him.

rocky_howard:LasersHurt: International law exists. Multiple Nations decided they didn't want him in their airspace, and diverted him.

While it's because of Snowden, that's a far cry from "The US diverted the plane."

Why do you think that happened? The point was to corner the plane by not allowing space for it to flight without doing a major aerial change of route. The US can't just forbid the plane from flying over other countries, they need the officials of those countries to emit the order, but it's not as if they weren't behind it. If I hire you to do murder someone, I'm also guilty of the crime regardless of me not shooting the guy or even being there when you kill him.

I can't think of the last time something like this happened to a sitting head of state. A lesser dignitary, perhaps, but not to the president of a nation. And for what? The suspicion that a leaker might be aboard the plane headed for asylum? That's crazy.

rocky_howard:LasersHurt: International law exists. Multiple Nations decided they didn't want him in their airspace, and diverted him.

While it's because of Snowden, that's a far cry from "The US diverted the plane."

Why do you think that happened? The point was to corner the plane by not allowing space for it to flight without doing a major aerial change of route. The US can't just forbid the plane from flying over other countries, they need the officials of those countries to emit the order, but it's not as if they weren't behind it. If I hire you to do murder someone, I'm also guilty of the crime regardless of me not shooting the guy or even being there when you kill him.

swahnhennessy:I can't think of the last time something like this happened to a sitting head of state. A lesser dignitary, perhaps, but not to the president of a nation. And for what? The suspicion that a leaker might be aboard the plane headed for asylum? That's crazy.

President of a country that has absolutely no clout or power on the world stage, so really it doesn't matter.

LasersHurt:What am I apologizing for? I'm asking if they have proof of the claims they're making. Bolivia might blame the US if there's a bad storm, you know?

Drop the innocent act...

And are you for real? You want them to produce physical proof? Not to mention to do it mere hours after the fact? You even have the gall to ask me where's my proof. The level of mental gymnastics you have to do for that is amazing.

They don't need proof to make the accusation. It's ridiculous to even suggest otherwise. Imagine if cops couldn't arrest you unless they had proof. Do you even know the meaning of probable/reasonable cause? That's enough to arrest an individual and it's damn enough to point at the US when this only benefits them. What do those countries gain from diverting the plane? Nothing. If you look at who benefits from something, you're usually looking at the culprit. Not to mention the US can never issue the diverting themselves so they'd need to ask the officials from those countries. What kind of proof can I offer you? Obama's call logs? If only I had a super network capable of spying other people's communications...

Do you Americans on FARK actually read your posts? To the whole english speaking world FARK seems entirely composed of NSA sock puppets, fascists, nationalistic racist, religious nut cases and warmongering hate filled retrogrades... as a reader for 10 years from London UK, FARK used to have an attractive freedom loving, progressive commentariat. However, the events of the last few months have shown FARK and by extension the rest of the US population as deeply ignorant of the world, the nature of freedom and having completely sleepwalked into fascism.... My country the U.K. is obviously just as bad, however, at least our Guardian newspaper reveals, that whilst our politicians are lapdog slaves to the US, at least some of our people still believe in freedom...FARK's readership appears to have deteriorated very rapidly...However, I at least hold some hope for the US as at least it was an American journalist Glenn and an American spy Edward that revealed the totalitarian world we live in...even if they needed a British newspaper to tell the world...

kbronsito:if Snowden had been on the plane, then fark Bolivia... but since he wasn't, obviously the European countries that withdrew their permission to use their airspace and the American officials that asked for it are basically a-holes who acted on what must have been bad information. Had he been the president of some rich-non-brown country, i doubt they would have dared to act that way on whatever shiatty information they had (it couldn't have been that good, since it turned out to be crap). If only Bolivia could get some other third world countries outraged at this and get them to agree to randomly revoke permission to use their air spaces for official flights from the countries involved just to fark with them whenever possible.

That right there is the joke, son.It is all bad information, we collect a ton because we can, and it is bad for you.

aardwolf:Do you Americans on FARK actually read your posts? To the whole english speaking world FARK seems entirely composed of NSA sock puppets, fascists, nationalistic racist, religious nut cases and warmongering hate filled retrogrades... as a reader for 10 years from London UK, FARK used to have an attractive freedom loving, progressive commentariat. However, the events of the last few months have shown FARK and by extension the rest of the US population as deeply ignorant of the world, the nature of freedom and having completely sleepwalked into fascism.... My country the U.K. is obviously just as bad, however, at least our Guardian newspaper reveals, that whilst our politicians are lapdog slaves to the US, at least some of our people still believe in freedom...FARK's readership appears to have deteriorated very rapidly...However, I at least hold some hope for the US as at least it was an American journalist Glenn and an American spy Edward that revealed the totalitarian world we live in...even if they needed a British newspaper to tell the world...

FARK I am disappointed...

Disappointed and apparently living under a rock.This is a surprise to you?

aardwolf:Do you Americans on FARK actually read your posts? To the whole english speaking world FARK seems entirely composed of NSA sock puppets, fascists, nationalistic racist, religious nut cases and warmongering hate filled retrogrades... as a reader for 10 years from London UK, FARK used to have an attractive freedom loving, progressive commentariat. However, the events of the last few months have shown FARK and by extension the rest of the US population as deeply ignorant of the world, the nature of freedom and having completely sleepwalked into fascism.... My country the U.K. is obviously just as bad, however, at least our Guardian newspaper reveals, that whilst our politicians are lapdog slaves to the US, at least some of our people still believe in freedom...FARK's readership appears to have deteriorated very rapidly...However, I at least hold some hope for the US as at least it was an American journalist Glenn and an American spy Edward that revealed the totalitarian world we live in...even if they needed a British newspaper to tell the world...

LasersHurt:When in doubt, cock jokes. Because calling someone Gay is just like having a real argument.

Son, drop the indignant act.

1.- You were the one who dropped the discourse 'cause you couldn't provide an argument.2.- It has nothing to do with being gay. Women also suck cock. The point of the metaphor is domination and subjugation.3.- fark yourself.

rocky_howard:LasersHurt: When in doubt, cock jokes. Because calling someone Gay is just like having a real argument.

Son, drop the indignant act.

1.- You were the one who dropped the discourse 'cause you couldn't provide an argument.2.- It has nothing to do with being gay. Women also suck cock. The point of the metaphor is domination and subjugation.3.- fark yourself.

To think you've gone so far off the rails because I dared ask for proof of a simple claim rather than assume facts and get indignant.