Oops...before this message board gets pulled off topic and the flames start shooting...let's get back to the original question that Shortoption posted, "Has anyone ever used Matt Furey's Combat Stretching and is it worth it to buy?" I just checked mattfurey.com and he is now selling Combat Stretching for $127.00 (OUCH!!!). Also, has anyone found an effective DVD/Book, etc. on stretching that's not so expensive?

Yes Tomph has made a good point. The discussion here should not be as to how credible Mr. Furey is, but how well his exercises work. I don't know as to the personal character of Matt Furey and I really don't care either. I'd probably care more if Matt furey had actually invented any of the exercises, but b/c they are all compilations, I don't worry about it. As for the exercises, try them, if they work you have your answer.

The only thing I know about Matt Furey is that he is a terrible sales man (figures he has to convince the world that this stuff works, almost reminds me of the oxy clean guy ) and he is very blunt. Also doesn't seem like the brightest light bulb in the box. But again one does not have to be smart to exercise (only to build rockets etc.). Oh ya and he charges WAY to much money for his stuff.

Does combat stretching work? Well I personally have not tried it, however going on his last 2 books and their effectiveness I would say probably yes.

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Quote:Re-phrase: Matt Furey's "System" is not his system, but rather a bunch of different body weight conditioning methods that he stole from other athletes as well as compiled a bunch of gymnastics conditioning, then he puts his name on it and charges $500+ for it. He's not a martial artist, he's a scam artist. I can go to wrestling practice and do the exercises that he claims he invented, but if you want to pay half a grand just to learn stuff you can learn at your local gymnastics club for a quarter that price, then go right ahead. No one's stopping you.

Wow, you really are amazing. Did you learn all that from Karl Marx and Josef Stalin?

Dude, nowhere does he claim that he invented these exercises.

What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.

Apparently you think it's wrong to make money by becoming an expert in an area, using techniques that others freely will teach (but would take years to learn if we each had to do it individually), and condense it so that busy people like myself who own our own business PLUS work 40 hours a week on top of that AND have a young family and house to take care of, can learn conditioning techniques in a VERY short amount of time, and get themselves in a better state of health.

Now the only person on the planet I know who would be vehemently opposed to something like that is a guy who's name was Karl Marx (and a few of his followers).

Matt Furey provides a service, makes it so I don't have to spend years researching these techniques, and I'm willing to take MY money and give it to him in return for that information. It may not be unique information, but if I were to find all that information on my own, it would either cost me thousands of dollars on expert trainers, or years of my life. I'm willing to pay money for that.

Quote:What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.

Help me...I'm still trying to understand...Does Matt Furey being a good for nothing scam artist mean his stretching program is good or bad(?!?!)

MMA,I appreciate your frustration with Fureys exaggerated claims, etc. However, I must remind you..."All press is good press." In other words the more you rant and rave about Furey, the more attention you draw to him...the more attention you draw to him, the more attention you draw to his products...the more attention you draw to his products, the more his products sell. If you can't stand him or his products then ignore him and he'll go away.

Quote:What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.

Right dude... I've seen this letter before, been there... and let me tell you. If Karl Gotch is the champion everyone says he is, then I'd put money down with a 99% certainty that that letter did NOT come from Karl Gotch.

No truly successful person would EVER speak of another person like that. EVER. I've met plenty of "successful" people, and they'd talk like that, but not anyone who's really a real success in life (aka someone who had to work their guts out and sacrifice to get the success they've achieved). Truly successful people have character and integrity, AND tact... that letter had zero of it. So either Karl Gotch isn't the man people thought him to be (which I doubt), or some idiot out there (hint: probably a competitor of Matt Furey's products) wrote that letter to slander Matt Furey.

Or, whoever DID write that letter is just some whiny-faced socialist-type who can't stand someone making money off of ideas, and is ticked off because Matt Furey is making money selling a collection of training exercises and techniques that many experts in that area probably already know or at least have heard of. And they're ticked they didn't think of it first, so they go blast the guy who decided to add value to the ideas by putting them in a short, easy to use collection, so that people like ME can decide if we want to spend our money on his products or not. It's got plenty of good reviews from military personnel, and they've worked well for me personally as well.

So, just because the guy is making a buck selling a collection of freely available information from a variety of sources (aka HARD to collect in one place without significant time), doesn't make him a crook. He's simply making it easier for people like me. And if YOU don't like it, then don't buy his stuff. Crap, you remind me of the people who whine about Wal Mart...

And TomH: I haven't tried Combat Stretching yet, but I plan on buying it as soon as I hit a business goal. If it's anything like his other products, I expect it to work well.

They wouldn't post it on bullshido if it wasn't legit. Here's some $100 advice for free: $100 will get you one of Matt Furey's conditioning books so that you will have to do it yourself with minimal instuction (more like a paragraph). That same $100 will get you 2 months at a top quality fight gym where you do body calisthetics every day for a hour to warm up plus live instruction. Lets see, book...maximum instuction...book...maximum instruction...which one should I chose?

Post script: what's up with the socialist comments? What does that have to do with anything? I don't see where that has anything to do with the topic. If the best you can do to insult me is call me a socialist, then man you're lame. Enguarde.

I find it laughable that something posted on bullshido would be "legit". How is it legit? What makes it legit? Because someone posted it says so? Or because the person who posted it doesn't have an ax to grind?

As far as I can see, there is no substantive evidence to suggest that Mr Furey's material is rubbish. So far 2 individuals have already piped up, and pretty much endorsed the product.

From where I'm standing, it seems that only you have an issue with it. You say you've read the material, but it's more like you're either a dissatisfied customer or you're only regurgitating someone else's agenda. Which is it?

As with any product, you get some who love it and swear by it. And you get others who didn't get as much use out of it. I think it's quite obvious from the preceeding conversation.

Quote:They wouldn't post it on bullshido if it wasn't legit. Here's some $100 advice for free: $100 will get you one of Matt Furey's conditioning books so that you will have to do it yourself with minimal instuction (more like a paragraph). That same $100 will get you 2 months at a top quality fight gym where you do body calisthetics every day for a hour to warm up plus live instruction. Lets see, book...maximum instuction...book...maximum instruction...which one should I chose?

Post script: what's up with the socialist comments? What does that have to do with anything? I don't see where that has anything to do with the topic. If the best you can do to insult me is call me a socialist, then man you're lame. Enguarde.

Really? Man mma... you know what, you're right. They wouldn't post something on the bahtroom wall (er.. the internet, in this case at bullshido), without it being true. As a matter of fact, I remember hearing someone say you were gay, and of COURSE it's true, it's posted on the internet... as a matter of fact, Here's a link to the article, click here. Seriously, go check it out, it's right there in an official article they captured at that site...

And on the socialist comment... You started out complaining that he took freely available ideas, compiled them in an easy-to-access format, made them available for sale, and *gasp* made a profit on it. Then you post a link to a "real" letter supposedly came from Karl Gotch, which is complaining about Matt Furey making money off of teaching people wrestling, heaven forbid a guy make money off of things he's learned... And to top it off, you complain about how much his products cost, thinking he should sell it either at cost, or for what YOU deem to be a modest profit. People wouldn't buy it (especially repeat customers) if there wasn't value there, or if they felt it was too expensive

ok this is getting way out of hand! First off no one here can claim the validity of that letter b/c none of us know what Karl Gotch's handwriting looks like. So I'm not sure if its legit or not. Plus this again all comes down to Matt Furey's personal character and wether he is a greedy slime ball or not. Now I can understand people being upset b/c of how much money is charged by him, but in the same pick up any exercise book and chances are the exercises outlined within are not the author's own creation but a compilation of exercises the author learned from other sources and has used and found worked. Matt Furey is just another of these individuals. Now I think if Mr. Furey was to charge less for his products there probably would be less debate about this.

Also mma and Barwick your argument has really only helped to derail this thread. We are not discussing Matt Furey's personal character or motives b/c none of us actually know him and therefor are not qualified to judge him like you are. Again these exercises work wether or not Matt Furey is a slimeball.

Basically if you don't like Matt Furey or don't have the money for his overly expensive books there are alternatives. Like buying it used from someone, that way you aren't helping fund Furey and its usually is substancially cheaper.

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