You know that never satisfies the nay sayers. The Surface doesn't have an 'i' in front of it's name and doesn't have a picture of fruit, therefore it's bad. :P

True - but if I knew nothing about tech and only read review sites after reading a Surface review I would expect the ipad to run full OSX as its a criticism on Surface reviews but isn't mentioned on ipad reviews.

I also cant believe they've still not made the macbooks touch friendly.

And over $2000 for that cylinder thing!! I spent the same on my home setup and its twice as powerful and handily built into a coffee table to fit in with the style of my front room.

True - but if I knew nothing about tech and only read review sites after reading a Surface review I would expect the ipad to run full OSX as its a criticism on Surface reviews but isn't mentioned on ipad reviews.

I also cant believe they've still not made the macbooks touch friendly.

And over $2000 for that cylinder thing!! I spent the same on my home setup and its twice as powerful and handily built into a coffee table to fit in with the style of my front room.

The new Mac Pro looks like an ashtray. I'm sure there will be some stories involving someone's drunk friend ruining a Mac Pro by putting out a cigarette on it.

True - but if I knew nothing about tech and only read review sites after reading a Surface review I would expect the ipad to run full OSX as its a criticism on Surface reviews but isn't mentioned on ipad reviews.

I think this is because of the very, very limited app selection on Windows RT. If we had at least the same apps as on Windows Phone I would be pretty happy. Also, Microsoft advertises the RT as a productive tablet, only because it runs Office. The iPad is much rather targeted to leisure and fun.

I think this is because of the very, very limited app selection on Windows RT. If we had at least the same apps as on Windows Phone I would be pretty happy. Also, Microsoft advertises the RT as a productive tablet, only because it runs Office. The iPad is much rather targeted to leisure and fun.

The other issue is that it bears the Windows name and it confuses the hell out of people. If it didn't have a desktop mode I think that would solve 99% of the problems with reviewers saying anything about x86 software. They just don't seem to understand that it's a tablet OS, not full Windows. Though I have nothing wrong with the Windows brand across all the devices I think this may have been a mistake.

I think this is because of the very, very limited app selection on Windows RT. If we had at least the same apps as on Windows Phone I would be pretty happy. Also, Microsoft advertises the RT as a productive tablet, only because it runs Office. The iPad is much rather targeted to leisure and fun.

App selection is a moot point when you can have multiple instances of IE running on the surface at the same time, especially when a lot of the apps on ipad are mainly website wrappers anyway. Ignoring office you've still got the massive bonus of remote desktop - I can sit here at work and play steam games via my home pc on my RT at lunchtime - or quite happily run any of my home software. You can be productive on an ipad too just one thing at a time. The biggest differentiator between the two I believe is the search and share functions on 8.1. Nothing currently touches what MS have managed to achieve there but its never mentioned in any reviews.

The other issue is that it bears the Windows name and it confuses the hell out of people. If it didn't have a desktop mode I think that would solve 99% of the problems with reviewers saying anything about x86 software. They just don't seem to understand that it's a tablet OS, not full Windows. Though I have nothing wrong with the Windows brand across all the devices I think this may have been a mistake.

Desktop mode is really underated and gives you a lot of options as a power user. File explorer is a massive boost that's sorely missing as a modern ui app - until they work out how to execute that properly desktop mode needs to stay.