But all teams are plus or minus 1 game so its hard to say. I say the two toughest teams are the hawks and Niners BUT the Rams are right there also. Hard to say really. I would not be shocked at all to see it like this.

RolandDeschain wrote:Has there ever been an NFL division that finished a season with no team in it having a losing record, before? I have to think that it has never happened, or that it has happened once or twice at most.

RolandDeschain wrote:Kaepernick does not handle pressure well a lot of the time, that needs to change before any 49ers fans start thinking he's great. Poor decision-making under pressure will keep him from ever being great if it's not fixed. Also, Kaepernick's a fast runner, but he's not quick. Chris Clemons also ran him down and forced a fumble just out of bounds, too; so I'm not sure how truly fast he is. But either way, I'll take quickness (Russell Wilson, look at that scrambling) over fast. The NFL isn't a track meet.

Honestly Roland, comments like this is why I just think you don't know what you are talking about.

And what part of Roland's statement is incorrect? Kaepernick does make poor decisions when he's under pressure. The last 49ers' offensive series of the SB proved that. He doesn't progress through is reads as he should; he's either doing a 1-2 read then run, or straight run. You and I know he's only gaining this notoriety because of that defense. Plain and simple is he's a game-manager, and not the game-changer you Niner fans make him out to be.

It's easy to play with a lead, unless you're Matt Ryan; especially when your defense is the one that gives you that lead. His clock management is mediocre at best in addition to not being able to handle crowd noise; a delay of game and 2 wasted timeouts vs. us this year is a perfect example. Without the defense bailing you guys out twice, you lose that game.

Seahawk guys, how many delay of games did the 49ers have at the CLink this year in that 40-burger ass-whipping ya'll served up? I watched the game but my memory's fuzzy.

I agree with a large part of this post, but I also believe that CK is a game "changer". It isn't that he is unbeatable, but what I see is that only a few teams are really "built" to beat the Niners as a whole. The recipe is simple.

Physical DefenseBalanced Offense

A team does not have to be the best at either of those things, they just have to be good at it. I said this prior to the Super Bowl when I picked the Ravens to win and it really goes without saying that teams like that are going to win most of their games. There just isn't a lot of them. Many teams do one thing, REALLY well and it is enough to get them over the hump in games and dominate in others. Look at the teams that beat the CK led Niners.

Rams - Good running game, fair passing game, TOUGH defense.Seattle - GREAT running game, Good passing game that is improving, GREAT defense.Ravens - GREAT running game, Good passing game, good defense.

If you look at the teams the CK Niners beat, you will find some weakness in either one and in some cases two aspects of their game. That doesn't mean they are bad, I am just saying that the Niners tend to succeed against those teams and struggle against teams that have SOMETHING going in every part of the game. Those one-dimensional teams are usually good enough to win most of their games, but the CK Niners are different in that they expose those teams at some point in a game.

When I see Seattle, I see a team that has a better chance of winning those games against the balanced teams. Against the Rams, they figured out a way. They didn't take a lot of risks and eventually finished the drives. Against the Niners, they couldn't quite get it done in SF, but that was for a variety of reasons and they lost by a touchdown, which ultimately was the worst beating they took all year. In Seattle, they showed what they have grown into, they moved the ball one way or another on SF and it KILLED them, while punishing them on defense. They did lose to STL on the road, but that game was tight like the rest and really we had it at the end. Can't believe how many games the Hawks lost on the road in final seconds.

This is why regardless of schedule, I think the Seahawks will at a minimum keep pace with SF. The Seahawks won their road games in the second half of the season, that is because the team was playing better all around football. They will win more road games in 2013, book it.

The only concern I have and I mean only is that Bevell will get cute and pass even though Lynch is gaining yardage. 1/30/2015 - loaf

loafoftatupu wrote:And I'm not saying the Rams won't be better, they will be, I'm just saying again that there is still room for improvement with both the Hawks and the Niners. The Rams will need to keep that pace.

With how many draft picks the Niners and Seahawks have, I fully expect some improvements on both sides there. That's saying a lot with how stacked these two teams currently are. What are the Niners at, 14 prior to the Alex Smith trade? That's insane!

The biggest factors for a QB is cerebral ability and work ethic. We know that Wilson not only possess's these traits but excels at both. Keap has some amazing physical skills that are very helpful but unless he is cerebral and has an outstanding work ethic you can expect defenses to catch up to him. There are obvious disadvantages of stepping in mid season like Keap did but there are also advantages in that teams don't have tape on you as was witnessed in the GB playoff game were GB obviously had no clue how to defend against the pistol or read option.

We will find out soon if Keap possess's these traits. My gut feeling is he is relying heavily on his physical talent and will take a sizable step backwards next season when defense adjust.

As for the division. I think Seattle wins it rather handily. Likely a 12 win season and I predict a sweep of the Niners. Niners fans can be excited all they want but the two most important players on that team are heading rapidly into the dreaded age barrier that cannot be avoided. Gore turns 30 years old in May and Justin Smith turns 34 in September. There should be no question how important those two players are to that team and right now they have no real replacements for either.

Looking at the last few drafts it is pretty easy to question if the Niners can find suitable replacements. Last years draft alone netted zero starters. Even their first round pick didn't have a single catch last year and that was competing against an ancient vet in Moss and a kickoff returner in Ginn. The previous year netted Aldon Smith who completely disappeared without Just Smith (again, turning 34 soon) and Keap who really has a huge question mark on him. They also drafted Culliver in the 3rd round who got filleted repeatedly in the super bowl and made public appearances bashing the gay populous of the the largest gay market on the planet. Keep in mind that draft followed a year of 6 wins and they were picking very high. Last year they were picking at the end of the draft and this year will be even worse.

I don't know if the Rams will surpass them next year but I would bet money it will be sooner than any Niner fan thinks.

IronSaint wrote:And what part of Roland's statement is incorrect? Kaepernick does make poor decisions when he's under pressure. The last 49ers' offensive series of the SB proved that. He doesn't progress through is reads as he should; he's either doing a 1-2 read then run, or straight run.

I meant to reply to this part of the post too, because it is exactly what I see in Kaepersnout. The point about his reads is dead-on. That is his game right there. I think taking the edge from him is huge. Add in the clock management and the fact that he does get rattled and what we have is an extremely physically gifted QB that uses those abilities to make up for the other issues. CK is good at it and that is why I call him a game changer.

Wilson does not carry that baggage. I'm not saying he was perfect, but there just wasn't many WTH moments with RW. He has those same abilities that Kaepertool does, without the raw break away speed that CK gets on the edge, but he takes big chunks of yardage on the ground and typically slides for self-preservation. Oh yeah, he spreads the ball around like mad, looks for his 3rd-4th options and can throw a timing/touch/fade pass line nobody's business. All the concerns about him being too short were put to rest. There are still some hanging on to his size as an issue, but that is usually from a Niner fan.

Wilson will be the reason that the Hawks win the NFCW. Right now I think they join GB, The Skins and NO as division winners in the NFC for 2013.

The only concern I have and I mean only is that Bevell will get cute and pass even though Lynch is gaining yardage. 1/30/2015 - loaf

SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see.

lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.

SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see.

lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.

SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see.

lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see.

lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.

how are you the better team again?

How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

Goldrush wrote:have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

Now you're just being a...I'm not going to say it, but your POST is stupid as hell. Do you really believe you have better players at each position on the field? Jesus Christ, I can't wait until you watch 2013 unfold.

How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

hawker84 wrote:How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

Goldrush wrote:have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

Now you're just being a...I'm not going to say it, but your POST is stupid as hell. Do you really believe you have better players at each position on the field? Jesus Christ, I can't wait until you watch 2013 unfold.

When looking at all positions yes we have a better overall amount of positional talent. No it doesnt mean our guy at every single position is better than each guy on the seahawks, You misunderstood me. If you looked at the measurables by all the key positions we come out on top overall.

Here's an article that spells it out pretty clear so I dont have to say it...

well that's a very cute argument, doesn't mean crap though.. how bout we gage our teams on our two head to head match ups.. i would say it's pretty obvious Seattle was the better team last season.

You won one and lost one. That proves nothing. Every team has good and bad days both teams included, if you want to start pulling single games out our *** every team in the league can make that argument. I could rant on the Packers or the Falcons games but I wont, cuz a single game here or there, good or bad,proves nothing.

hawker84 wrote:How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

better players, i'll take our db's over yours any day... other than Linebackers and O line, i'd say we're pretty even accross the board..

you barely beat us at home, and got curb stomped at our place.. you couldn't beat the rams, we split... again how were you better last season?

Yes, our record was consistent compared to most teams, yours included, which is one of the key reasons why we ended up in the Super Bowl and you didnt.

You could make the argument you have better DB's, certainly the best corner of the group but its arguable overall. We have 3 pro bowlers/All pros in our secondary plus some promising young role players so regardless its not a dire weakness for us. We do need to a top flight CB to solidify that group.

We beat you and you beat us. Thats all their is to it and nothing to gain to from saying it means anything else. Rams game means nothing in relation to the issue at hand. Shall I go through all of your losses? I wont it doesnt prove anything unless you look at the total body of work and in that regard the Hawks as of today are the lesser team. Will that be the case in the future, well who knows thats what we're all excited to see. The reality is the Hawks and the Niners are two of the better positioned teams to compete for not just divisional and conference titles but superbowl for the next 6-8 years. I wouldnt be surprised to see both teams appear in multiple SB's and win at least 1 each in that stretch the way things are shaping up.

Harbaugh doesnt draft players for the most part, the only 1 we know can be pinned on him is Colin Kaepernick which is nothing short of a home run as of today.

For your prediction to be true it would be completely contrary to all the evidence built over the last half decade (which basically means its wishful thinking), no team has drafted better than the 49ers in that stretch and there's no reason to think that changes as long as many of the same guys are making the personnel decisions (which they are).

you beat us 13 to 6 at home, we beat you 42 to 13 at home.. we beat the rams, you didn't... we beat the vikings , you didn't... we also beat the packers, NE , Chicago same as you..

i agree , every given sunday.. but we beat you soundly here and should have beat you at your place, if our recievers/backs didn't drop a ton of passes, and i think any level headed niner fan will agree....

and losing every third game is consisantly inconsistant at best....

your db's damn near cost you the Championship game and cost you the superbowl, ours were one of our only strengths on defense during the playoff run..

and if you want to try and get into all those first road half losses, keep in mind we were sporting a new rookie qb working with less than half the playbook, and not getting the opportunity to air the ball out... but yet we were still in every game until the final whistle... can your team say the same?

These are always pointless style arguments. So because we beat the Dolphins and the Lions and you didn't does that mean that we are better?

Lets just agree that both our teams are lethal and wait until the next season unfolds.

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

Goldrush wrote:When looking at all positions yes we have a better overall amount of positional talent. No it doesnt mean our guy at every single position is better than each guy on the seahawks, You misunderstood me.

No, I didn't. Read what you said. You specifically said you had better players, position by position. That is implicit in its meaning. You misspoke, or got caught BS'ing and want to take it back. Either way, I understood perfectly what was said, whether you intended it or not.

Harbaugh doesnt draft players for the most part, the only 1 we know can be pinned on him is Colin Kaepernick which is nothing short of a home run as of today.

For your prediction to be true it would be completely contrary to all the evidence built over the last half decade (which basically means its wishful thinking), no team has drafted better than the 49ers in that stretch and there's no reason to think that changes as long as many of the same guys are making the personnel decisions (which they are).

The funny thing is the same guy who drafted Bowman,Willis, Gore is no longer with the team. If i recall right he is currently with the Hawks. Hawks have rebuilt a team in 3 years to compete with a Niners team that has been building for the last decade. If the Niners drafted so well why has it taken so long to get back to the playoffs, when the rest of the West was rebuilding?

Brahn, the 49ers are just waiting to unleash their 1st-round pick from last year on us; just you wait. Spending his whole rookie year inactive is just a ploy. A ploy, I tell you! It seems they sure drafted well with THAT pick. The 49ers were stocked with misused talent when Harbaugh came in. Look what he did, he turned them into a 13-3 team that went deep into the playoffs making practically ZERO roster changes to starters; but yes, I'm sure they're "drafting well". We'll see, at least another couple of years are needed to see if the 49ers are drafting well, or not.

hawker84 wrote:you beat us 13 to 6 at home, we beat you 42 to 13 at home.. we beat the rams, you didn't... we beat the vikings , you didn't... we also beat the packers, NE , Chicago same as you..

i agree , every given sunday.. but we beat you soundly here and should have beat you at your place, if our recievers/backs didn't drop a ton of passes, and i think any level headed niner fan will agree....

and losing every third game is consisantly inconsistant at best....

your db's damn near cost you the Championship game and cost you the superbowl, ours were one of our only strengths on defense during the playoff run..

and if you want to try and get into all those first road half losses, keep in mind we were sporting a new rookie qb working with less than half the playbook, and not getting the opportunity to air the ball out... but yet we were still in every game until the final whistle... can your team say the same?

we can go back and forth, it's just my opinion after all.

Ahhhh... the ole "style points" argument.... the go to move for those in need of vindication in the absence of actual success. Good luck.

RolandDeschain wrote:Brahn, the 49ers are just waiting to unleash their 1st-round pick from last year on us; just you wait. Spending his whole rookie year inactive is just a ploy. A ploy, I tell you! It seems they sure drafted well with THAT pick. The 49ers were stocked with misused talent when Harbaugh came in. Look what he did, he turned them into a 13-3 team that went deep into the playoffs making practically ZERO roster changes to starters; but yes, I'm sure they're "drafting well". We'll see, at least another couple of years are needed to see if the 49ers are drafting well, or not.

hawker84 wrote:you beat us 13 to 6 at home, we beat you 42 to 13 at home.. we beat the rams, you didn't... we beat the vikings , you didn't... we also beat the packers, NE , Chicago same as you..

i agree , every given sunday.. but we beat you soundly here and should have beat you at your place, if our recievers/backs didn't drop a ton of passes, and i think any level headed niner fan will agree....

and losing every third game is consisantly inconsistant at best....

your db's damn near cost you the Championship game and cost you the superbowl, ours were one of our only strengths on defense during the playoff run..

and if you want to try and get into all those first road half losses, keep in mind we were sporting a new rookie qb working with less than half the playbook, and not getting the opportunity to air the ball out... but yet we were still in every game until the final whistle... can your team say the same?

we can go back and forth, it's just my opinion after all.

Ahhhh... the ole "style points" argument.... the go to move for those in need of vindication in the absence of actual success. Good luck.

have no idea what you're even talking about.. care to elaborate on that.

hawker84 wrote:you beat us 13 to 6 at home, we beat you 42 to 13 at home.. we beat the rams, you didn't... we beat the vikings , you didn't... we also beat the packers, NE , Chicago same as you..

i agree , every given sunday.. but we beat you soundly here and should have beat you at your place, if our recievers/backs didn't drop a ton of passes, and i think any level headed niner fan will agree....

and losing every third game is consisantly inconsistant at best....

your db's damn near cost you the Championship game and cost you the superbowl, ours were one of our only strengths on defense during the playoff run..

and if you want to try and get into all those first road half losses, keep in mind we were sporting a new rookie qb working with less than half the playbook, and not getting the opportunity to air the ball out... but yet we were still in every game until the final whistle... can your team say the same?

we can go back and forth, it's just my opinion after all.

oh cause we didnt introduce a 1st year QB into the mix either? oh AND we changed the offense? Lol that arguement is invalid.