After nationwide calls to ban assault rifles and high-capacity magazines following the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Americans concerned about the governments coming move to restrict the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession of firearms deemed too dangerous to be in the hands of private citizens are cleaning out gun stores from coast to coast.

While some retailers have made the decision to suspend sales and stop selling certain firearms altogether, others are seeing sales skyrocket to never before seen levels. Parking lots are packed and hopeful shoppers are waiting hours for their chance to get their hands on weapons, parts and magazines that may soon be banned under Federal mandates.

Remember when FDR confiscated gold? If you owned gold you were a criminal - safety deposit boxes were all sealed and the banks were unable to open them (for you) until an IRS agent was called........fast forward. Guns are ruled illegal weapons for anyone not in the military or Guard by rhat a$$hat in the White Hut (issues and EO). You keep yours - your libtard neighbor or relative turns you in to big sis or erik the holder - you instantly go on the terrorists watch list. No more banking no more flying, yada yada.

I have libtard relatives that believe this clown walks on water and would turn me in for a dollar bill - you don't think the brown shirts will be out in force?

Yeah and their stock took a hit too. I took the opportunity to load up on some RGR and SWHC stock. Assault weapons aside they have plenty on their lines that won’t be affected by an assault ban. Plus somebody has to supply the troops and cops in weaponry.

Basic training will certainly show you where all the parts are, what they are called, what they do, and how to clean and maintain them. The NCOs are very, very careful about covering everthing until you understand. ;)

Exactly, there’s going to be a neighborhood watch that rewards snitches and religious Christian zealots. There are plenty of marginally employable ‘brownshirts’ already placed upon TSA, DHS and Justice Department lists developed to rally to the red banner. We know these animals by their street names, but soon they’ll all have badges.

Exactly, there’s going to be a neighborhood watch that rewards snitches and religious Christian zealots. There are plenty of marginally employable ‘brownshirts’ already placed upon TSA, DHS and Justice Department lists developed to rally to the red banner. We know these animals by their street names, but soon they’ll all have badges.

Exactly, there’s going to be a neighborhood watch that rewards snitches and religious Christian zealots. There are plenty of marginally employable ‘brownshirts’ already placed upon TSA, DHS and Justice Department lists developed to rally to the red banner. We know these animals by their street names, but soon they’ll all have badges.

The crux in that case was the middleman - the favored target of the Leftist, being someone not interested in high stakes games of oppression. Leave your gold in the hands of someone not willing to risk death or incarceration, and risk it’s theft. Look for the same in the gun issue: who can be threatened, in safety to the perpetrator, to consent to confiscation or supply chain disruption. You may say “FMCDH!” but your favorite FFL won’t sell you guns or ammo if the BATFE won’t process any of his paperwork.

“All the important encroachments to the 2nd amendment happened in 1934 and 1968. I don’t remember when the 4472 form started, but probably ‘68.”

I know for damn sure I have one that isn’t registered. It is circa Revolutionary/Civil war and uses black powder and ball. It’s a long, long, rifle and extremely heavy. Since powder and ball is sort of not modern ammo :o), I think that antique is safe.

So, you are saying, if one bought a modern type gun in 1934 and later, the govn. has the serial number of the gun? That doesn’t seem possible.

In our area, many of the gun shops put signs up in their windows indicating they had NO AR-type rifles, no magazines, and no ammunition. If you did find a place that had those, their parking lots were full and the inside of the store was jammed. There was a similar look in one of the stores to the article - a wall full of rifles one day, devoid of rifles the next.

Failure to turn in a weapon and thus becoming a felon passively by default is certainly something to be concerned about; however, you make a good point. The question is is our government prepared both in will and in resources to handle from a law enforcement standpoint millions upon millions of citizens becoming felons overnight or atleast in a short time?

Nyet. I think the form 4472s started in 1968. The only firearms registered after 1934 were your Thomson .45 that you can't afford to shoot, and other fully automatic firearms.

And 'registered' is a loaded word. If I go buy a crappy Bersa .380 today, I will fill out a form 4472 and it will get stored at the dealer's office, but fedgov is forbidden by law to keep a list of firearms associated with names of final purchasers.

If firearm xyz is found, there is a long and convoluted process that involves paper records to figure out who made it, who the brokers were, which gun shop wound up with it, and then, maybe, if you didn't lie on the 4472, they can tie it to a name.

Background checks started in 1994(I think), but filling out the 4473, a form that normally is never destroyed and is sent to the FBI after a dealer goes out of business(I think) has been in effect since the passing of the 1968 Gun Control Act, roughtly 44 years. Having said that, if a private citizen sells a weapon to another private citizen, a transaction that in many states does not require any paperwork, the government functionally loses all trace of where it went.

“If firearm xyz is found, there is a long and convoluted process that involves paper records to figure out who made it, who the brokers were, which gun shop wound up with it, and then, maybe, if you didn’t lie on the 4472, they can tie it to a name.”

Then, I don’t know enough about this process. I bought a gun and filled out paperwork. The guy did a background check and I walked out with the gun. What does the government know about my purchase? You are saying they don’t know I bought it? Is it that the background check says I bought one but they don’t know what kind? Is that it? Sorry to sound dumb about this, but I didn’t major in guns. All I can do is test people and say whether or not they are sane and I can fix a wound or even deliver a baby. But I don’t know about gun registration or whatever the hell it is since I am now mixed up about the whole thing.

I don’t think any of those three agencies has what it would take to pull it off, and I think they and their masters know it, and are hoping we would accept a bluff. I don’t think we will.

Gun confiscation would require a SWAT team to go door to door like a nationwide Fallugah in every little town and major city in the land, either simultaneously or in blitz fashion. Many cops/troops wouldn’t accept the mission against fellow citizens in the first place, and for the ones who would they will find saboteurs and deserters common among their ranks. Even if all goes smoothly, the attrition rate would likely decimate &/or demoralize them by the end of the first block.

Even if reduced to smoke signals, folks are going to know when the cops/troops/UN-Rapists are on their way. Heavy arms are not going to add much to the equation either, unless they simply use weapons of mass destruction - not that Obama and his ilk wouldn’t.

Guerilla tactics and various forms of resistance will do to our troops what they did in every little hellhole we tried unsuccessfully to fight in since WWII, but on a much, much larger scale. Add to this the upwelling of anti-government sentiment when the troops come through Gestapo/Storm-trooper style or with tanks, or “soften up” the battlefield with pre-strike artillery barrages, and I think you get the picture.

The logistics behind such troop movements, especially bringing our own or foreign troops from overseas en mass, would be also be daunting.

Not going to happen, unless we are fooled by the bluff.

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posted on 12/22/2012 4:51:27 PM PST
by dagogo redux
(A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)

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