OK Rocco, I'll take that as you can't find any reliable source that says another team was prepared to aggressively target Hartline. Funny, we hear several reports where other FAs are being targeted by other teams. I guess Hartline didn't garner that much attention.

By chance do you read tabloids as well? What's going on with the Kardashians these days?

Give me a break man. At one point last offseason Peyton Manning was going to be the next Dolphins QB.

Hartline bypassed free agency Friday, signing a five-year, $30.7 million contract ($12.5 million guaranteed) to remain with the Dolphins.Hartline said free agency would have been more "lucrative" but he said taking less money is an indication of his excitement about the team's future.

So because it's not reported in media outlets, other teams weren't considering him at that rate?

OK Rocco, I'll take that as you can't find any reliable source that says another team was prepared to aggressively target Hartline. Funny, we hear several reports where other FAs are being targeted by other teams. I guess Hartline didn't garner that much attention.

Why would there be reports of teams heavily interested in Hartline if he resigned before the tampering period took place?

Hartline bypassed free agency Friday, signing a five-year, $30.7 million contract ($12.5 million guaranteed) to remain with the Dolphins.Hartline said free agency would have been more "lucrative" but he said taking less money is an indication of his excitement about the team's future.

Just curious, what do you think his agent points to for a high price tag? Game changer? No. Able to go up against top DB & win far more than he loses? No. Chain mover? Yes. I don't see one ounce of why a team would covet him higher than Miami.

OK Rocco, I'll take that as you can't find any reliable source that says another team was prepared to aggressively target Hartline. Funny, we hear several reports where other FAs are being targeted by other teams. I guess Hartline didn't garner that much attention.

By chance do you read tabloids as well? What's going on with the Kardashians these days?

Give me a break man. At one point last offseason Peyton Manning was going to be the next Dolphins QB.

If you can't find anything, then just say it. I tend to do some research before basing my opinion. Try it sometime.

Just curious, what do you think his agent points to for a high price tag? Game changer? No. Able to go up against top DB & win far more than he loses? No. Chain mover? Yes. I don't see one ounce of why a team would covet him higher than Miami.

He had 3-4 games this year which his skill sets were firmly on display .... and that's a lot considering the anemic 2012 offense we trotted out there. He's deceptively quick and a good route runner ... not to mention a tough SOB. When you say high price tag, you say it in the breath of being paid among the game's elite and I don't think anyone here is arguing that he would've gotten that kind of cheese.

If contract talks fall apart between the two parties, then Hartline will test the open market when free agency opens on March 12. Hartline could draw plenty of interest around the league, as there are quite a few teams in the market for wide receivers.

Hartline could draw interest from the New England Patriots, who are looking to beef up their wide receiver corps. The Patriots are reportedly likely to move on from Brandon Lloyd, and need to upgrade at wide out.

The Bengals could also have interest in Hartline. Cincinnati has the most amount of cap space available of any team in free agency this season, and could excel opposite A.J. Green.

Entering his age 27 season in 2013, Hartline is set to enter his prime, and should continue to develop as a very good wide receiver -- no matter where he ends up.

Brian Hartline, WR, MIABrian Hartline Lions could sign HartlineNews: The Lions official team website reports that the team could be interested in signing free agent receiver Brian Hartline. The report says Hartline, who had 74 catches for 1,083 yards and one touchdown last year, "could excel with Matthew Stafford throwing him the ball and (Calvin) Johnson getting the bulk of the coverage shifted to his side."

Cant get any closer? The article also provided a clear line of demarcation between the two players and I think that was clear in the presentation.

Well even though the article ranks them close, it was laughable with the comment on Hartline record breaking play. Obviously the writer overvalues Hartline's one game. Don't see one game against a really bad team puffing one up. Hartline disappeared often. If I eliminated the names & just put the comments out there. Hartline fits just as good with the comment on Gibson

After reading this I'm probably going to be wrong on Gibson being cheaper.

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Gibson won’t return to the Rams, who are only offering him money commensurate to a No. 3 or No. 4 wideout, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. That suggests that some team has already told Gibson’s agent that he can get paid like a starter in free agency. Gibson started 13 games and caught 51 passes for 691 yards and five touchdowns in St. Louis in 2012.

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Brian Hartline, WR, MIABrian Hartline Lions could sign HartlineNews: The Lions official team website reports that the team could be interested in signing free agent receiver Brian Hartline. The report says Hartline, who had 74 catches for 1,083 yards and one touchdown last year, "could excel with Matthew Stafford throwing him the ball and (Calvin) Johnson getting the bulk of the coverage shifted to his side."

Brian Hartline, WR, MIABrian Hartline Lions could sign HartlineNews: The Lions official team website reports that the team could be interested in signing free agent receiver Brian Hartline. The report says Hartline, who had 74 catches for 1,083 yards and one touchdown last year, "could excel with Matthew Stafford throwing him the ball and (Calvin) Johnson getting the bulk of the coverage shifted to his side."

Listen Big Boy, I don't doubt Hartline would have found a home, if released by the Dolphins. His value is around $4mil/yr, $8mil guaranteed. I would have been fine if we signed him to that. That's not the question.......the question is was anyone else seriously considering signing him to $6+mil/yr. Do what you said you were going to do and find some reliable reports saying his value would be worth that to another team.

The Miami Herald reports the Dolphins contacted free agent WR Brandon Gibson on Saturday, and talks are said to be "serious."The real juice to the story is that "some believe that Gibson could earn a contract comparable to the one given to Brian Hartline" last week -- five years and $31 million with $12.5 million guaranteed. While it's unclear how talks with Gibson would affect a Mike Wallace pursuit, we'd guess that he would likely be a fallback option. Miami is also said to be interested in free agent Wes Welker.

Why would there be reports of teams heavily interested in Hartline if he resigned before the tampering period took place?

Didn't we see reports that KC was very interested in Sean Smith before the tampering period took place?

yes we did. Same goes for Mike Wallace drawing team interest for months.I can tell you for a fact that there was not much buzz around the league about Hartline. Only one blurb that Detroit might be interested. And he'd be a huge upgrade to any of their receivers outside of Calvin. They needed an emergency fix because Titus went haywire on them.

The Miami Herald reports the Dolphins contacted free agent WR Brandon Gibson on Saturday, and talks are said to be "serious."The real juice to the story is that "some believe that Gibson could earn a contract comparable to the one given to Brian Hartline" last week -- five years and $31 million with $12.5 million guaranteed. While it's unclear how talks with Gibson would affect a Mike Wallace pursuit, we'd guess that he would likely be a fallback option. Miami is also said to be interested in free agent Wes Welker.

Just curious, what do you think his agent points to for a high price tag? Game changer? No. Able to go up against top DB & win far more than he loses? No. Chain mover? Yes. I don't see one ounce of why a team would covet him higher than Miami.

He had 3-4 games this year which his skill sets were firmly on display .... and that's a lot considering the anemic 2012 offense we trotted out there. He's deceptively quick and a good route runner ... not to mention a tough SOB. When you say high price tag, you say it in the breath of being paid among the game's elite and I don't think anyone here is arguing that he would've gotten that kind of cheese.

you can blame the offense for Hartline's flaws but I can't blame the offense for Jonathan Martin's flaws?

If contract talks fall apart between the two parties, then Hartline will test the open market when free agency opens on March 12. Hartline could draw plenty of interest around the league, as there are quite a few teams in the market for wide receivers.

Hartline could draw interest from the New England Patriots, who are looking to beef up their wide receiver corps. The Patriots are reportedly likely to move on from Brandon Lloyd, and need to upgrade at wide out.

The Bengals could also have interest in Hartline. Cincinnati has the most amount of cap space available of any team in free agency this season, and could excel opposite A.J. Green.

Entering his age 27 season in 2013, Hartline is set to enter his prime, and should continue to develop as a very good wide receiver -- no matter where he ends up.

The Miami Herald reports the Dolphins contacted free agent WR Brandon Gibson on Saturday, and talks are said to be "serious."The real juice to the story is that "some believe that Gibson could earn a contract comparable to the one given to Brian Hartline" last week -- five years and $31 million with $12.5 million guaranteed. While it's unclear how talks with Gibson would affect a Mike Wallace pursuit, we'd guess that he would likely be a fallback option. Miami is also said to be interested in free agent Wes Welker.

The stupidest move of the off season just happened. Gibson is nothing. 5 drops in 75 catchable passes? 5 TDs & is expected to sign a deal close to what Hartline got. If Gibson is nothing, where are you placing Hartline?

The more that is reported for these two, the more comparable they get.

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A few fans and media, most notably one writer at NFL.com, stated that the Dolphins overpaid Hartline when they signed him last week to a five-year deal worth $30.775 million ($12.5 million guaranteed). Hartline only has six touchdowns in four NFL seasons – including just one last year – and some don’t believe he’s worth the $6.15 million average salary he will make over the life of his deal.

But his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said Sunday night in his weekly appearance on WSVN Channel 7 that Hartline took slightly less money with Miami than he would’ve commanded on the open market (and confirmed once again that tampering is rampant at the NFL Combine).

“I do think that if we went into the market, Brian probably would’ve gotten a better contract,” Rosenhaus said. “I was pretty thorough in talking to all the teams, and Brian made the decision that he wanted to stay in Miami. We had a number in mind, we got to it, we were happy with it and he was very pleased to stay a Dolphin.”

Indeed, Hartline’s contract was just under the ones signed last year by Jacksonville’s Laurent Robinson ($6.5 million average, $13.6 million guaranteed) and San Diego’s Robert Meachem ($6.375 million average, $14 million guaranteed). Given that context, Hartline’s contract seems pretty reasonable.