15% buff and dps

I was wondering what do you guys think is being in a random with the 15% buff giving you better dps than being raid buffed? I seriously think raid buffs are much better than the 15% buff but idk what do you guys think?

15% dmg increase is miles better in mathematical terms than a 5% stats increase and some combat rating modifiers (haste/crit), in full 359 gear itemised correctly the 15% dungeon buff works out as roughly 3-3.2k dps increase, raid buffs don't come cloes to this figure, so hope that answers ur question.

Depends. Given that even a random setup might grant you a few of the raid buffs I think it's more of a matter of dedication in raids. If you use flask and food in heroics the potential outcome will probably be larger. Random HC fight mechanics are just so random that you wouldn't be able to compare it to raid damage at any time

Depends. Given that even a random setup might grant you a few of the raid buffs I think it's more of a matter of dedication in raids. If you use flask and food in heroics the potential outcome will probably be larger. Random HC fight mechanics are just so random that you wouldn't be able to compare it to raid damage at any time

Yea this is what I was talking about I qued up and the comp was 2 shadow priests a disc priest a war tank and a sham I had nothing but self buffs I just think that raid buffs are so much better

15% dmg increase is miles better in mathematical terms than a 5% stats increase and some combat rating modifiers (haste/crit), in full 359 gear itemised correctly the 15% dungeon buff works out as roughly 3-3.2k dps increase, raid buffs don't come cloes to this figure, so hope that answers ur question.

True, but that is only in mathematical terms for an optimal situation, which tbh is hardly ever the case.
If you compare it to a dungeon situation with the avarage player there, then 15% really doesn't bring that much, and I would argue that buffs and debuffs would do more for such a player as they are not performing at the skill level where the 15% really start to shine.
Simply put, the worse you normaly do unbuffed the less that 15% damage buff matters and the more the buffs would over take it.

But I don't see a reason to compare them more than for a theoretical discussion. You don't have the 15% buff in raids where you are buffed to the maximum and targets have all debuffs. And while you have the 15% buff in dungeons, you don't have all buffs and debuffs.

I was wondering what do you guys think is being in a random with the 15% buff giving you better dps than being raid buffed? I seriously think raid buffs are much better than the 15% buff but idk what do you guys think?