I'm not trying to figure out who was better this year. For about the 15th time, I'm trying to figure out who's been better since you said Kazmir would "continue to be better," and I said I didn't buy it. Not all year. Since that statement.

I've already said that when I said, "has been and will continue to be better," I was implying that, when you evaluate the entire season, Kazmir will be better. I give no ***** about some arbitrary endpoint.

Also, I already said ok. If you want to toss out a month and a half of Kazmir's best starts, you win. Whoop-dee-fuckin-doo.

Tillman has not allowed more than 3 earned runs in 15 straight starts - 13 of those are QS and 14 of those he went 6+ innings (7+ in 8 of them). And he plays in a hitters park vs. the cavern Kazmir pitches in. I'll take Tillman all day, every day

Really? Prove it. His road stats are even with what Tillman has done all year. His home stats are better. Clearly he's benefiting from pitching in the coliseum. If he had to pitch half his games at Camden Yards (or Fenway/Rogers Centre/Yankee Stadium) he would not be doing as well. Keep looking at numbers in a vacuum though.