In my car I sometimes need to charge the phone and have it plugged in to the sound system at the same time. Dongle doesn't solve that problem. Very happy with my iPhone SE, not looking forward to getting one without a jack one day. I'll deal with it one way or another, but I can understand the outcry.

Maybe by then a wireless charging solution for cars will be available that is convenient to use.

I like my iPhone SE a lot too. The price and form factor work for me. I donít think Iíll miss the jack by the time I upgrade really. For the times I do like to listen to music out walking around, wireless would be plus.

Sure, you bought a pair of 1000$ headphones, then use the adapter and it will work as before. You have a collections of headphones? Well, stay in the past dude. You think the sound is better? Stick to LPs.

The problem is that the adapter doesn't make it work anywhere as well as before. You need a decent DAC chip or the sound is significantly degraded, particularly with high-end headphones, and the cheap adapters on the market now convert your $1000 headphones into Beats-sounding junk.

I was willing to give the jack up in favor of waterproofing. Realistically, if you have high end headphones (like I do), you're not going to be listening to music directly from your phone on them, you're going to have something else to hook up to (a Pioneer receiver in my living room or Sound Blaster X7 at my computer in my case). The iPhone drives high quality headphones pretty poorly.

When I do listen to stuff on my phone, it's usually with earbuds and I just made the lightning-to-3.5mm adapter a more or less permanent addition to the earbuds. Times when I listen and charge at the same time are almost non-existent so it didn't get on my nerves at all.

I don't mind sacrificing one thing in favor of something else. It's the sacrificing essential functionality in favor of an extra half millimeter of thinness because some asshat in design said so that sticks in my craw.

In my car I sometimes need to charge the phone and have it plugged in to the sound system at the same time. Dongle doesn't solve that problem. Very happy with my iPhone SE, not looking forward to getting one without a jack one day. I'll deal with it one way or another, but I can understand the outcry.

a 10$ bluetooth dongle will solve your issue entirely. its seriously that easy.

I cant remember the last time i plugged in a pair of headphones to a mobile device, or used an audio cable in my car. Ive had bluetooth headsets for my listening, and a bluetooth dongle in the car, pretty much since they were available.

After the comment I wrote above about wireless charging in cars I saw a car advertisement during the Patriots game (Go Pats!) that mentioned having one as a built in feature. I forget what car it was but I guess I should have figured that would already be a thing.

So this problem is easily solved after all. Ignore these guys with their cheap half baked dongles and blue teeth baloney and just buy a new car that solves the problem and does it right! You are an Apple user. You know how this works. You get what you pay for.

Caution though, wireless charging often charges too slowly for convenient use in a car if you use the smartphone as a GPS (always on display + GPS eats through the battery in no time). Nothing beats a cigarette lighter quick charge adapter for this usage. There are now some fast wireless chargers which are more adequate, YMMV though.

Caution though, wireless charging often charges too slowly for convenient use in a car if you use the smartphone as a GPS (always on display + GPS eats through the battery in no time). Nothing beats a cigarette lighter quick charge adapter for this usage. There are now some fast wireless chargers which are more adequate, YMMV though.

Not a problem really as one simply needs to buy an appropriately priced automobile that would feature quality wireless charging.

FWIW the 2nd gen tBP keyboards feel slightly nicer (but still terrible) and we've only had 1 I've had to submit for warranty work vs. 23 first gen tBPs (almost always the space bar dilling up)

I had a tap around on the 2nd gen KB recently and I didn't hate it, but I am concerned about it failing. Mildly encouraging to hear your experiences with them. Any observations re: huge-ass trackpad palm rejection?

I had a tap around on the 2nd gen KB recently and I didn't hate it, but I am concerned about it failing. Mildly encouraging to hear your experiences with them. Any observations re: huge-ass trackpad palm rejection?

I don't use my tester 1st gen tBP very much but have not had any issues and have heard no complaints from any of the natives. I think Apple must have fat palm rejection licked.

Upgradable RAM/HDD is 100% the thing that I miss the most. It was so nice being able to give new life to 3-4 year old MBP's with a simple purchase of some RAM and an SSD. Now almost every machine isn't upgradable at all, and the ones that are are a huge pain (iMac).