Y-Search does list M65 in Wales and England if you believe what people report as their Country of Origin. And Y-Search list one M153 in England. I have no reason to doubt what people report as their Country of Origin. One result is a small sample of M153 in England. I suppose it could have a Basque origin, though.

Since these are brother clades to R-U152, I propose that they might have the same migration route and acompanied R-U-152 and possibly R-L21 into England.

Is that not reasonable?

Or the one M153 Y-Search result in England could be an erroneous reporting error. People do make mistakes.

From "R1b1b2d" entry in ysearch that I am following as co-administrator of the R1b1c6 project I can tell you that there are a number of wrong entries in ysearch. It's impossible to trust ysearch. For a more precise output of R1b1b2d I advise you to look at the R1b1c6 project site although some people truly SRY2627+ still didn't join. See : http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6

There are indeed SRY2627+ in British isles and some have haplotypes with differences on slow markers like DYS487=14 + DYS617=13 .

From "R1b1b2d" entry in ysearch that I am following as co-administrator of the R1b1c6 project I can tell you that there are a number of wrong entries in ysearch. It's impossible to trust ysearch. For a more precise output of R1b1b2d I advise you to look at the R1b1c6 project site although some people truly SRY2627+ still didn't join. See : http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6

There are indeed SRY2627+ in British isles and some have haplotypes with differences on slow markers like DYS487=14 + DYS617=13 .

From "R1b1b2d" entry in ysearch that I am following as co-administrator of the R1b1c6 project I can tell you that there are a number of wrong entries in ysearch. It's impossible to trust ysearch. For a more precise output of R1b1b2d I advise you to look at the R1b1c6 project site although some people truly SRY2627+ still didn't join. See : http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6

There are indeed SRY2627+ in British isles and some have haplotypes with differences on slow markers like DYS487=14 + DYS617=13 .

I also went through your provided e-mail file on SRY2627+. R-U152 can be found in all the below locations with brother clade SRY2627+.

Y-Search does list M65 in Wales and England if you believe what people report as their Country of Origin. And Y-Search list one M153 in England. I have no reason to doubt what people report as their Country of Origin. One result is a small sample of M153 in England. I suppose it could have a Basque origin, though.

Since these are brother clades to R-U152, I propose that they might have the same migration route and acompanied R-U-152 and possibly R-L21 into England.

Is that not reasonable?

Or the one M153 Y-Search result in England could be an erroneous reporting error. People do make mistakes.

I'm more likely to believe an entry error on the part of the part of the person who created the YSearch account than I am to believe there is M65 and M153 in Wales and England.

I myself have followed up on several such errors in YSearch and confirmed they were errors.

I think if an M65 had been found in wales and an M153 in England, that would have been big news.

"It was first described by Underhill et al (2000) where it was found in 7 people all Basques. Bosch et al. (2001) described a further derived individual, Flores et al. (2004) 6 individuals, Paracchini et al. (2003) 5 “Latino” individuals, Vallone and Butler (2004) 1 “Caucasian” and Alonso et al. (2005) 18 individuals. In total 38 people have been identified as derived for this SNP to date."

To me, the word "Caucasian" means ethnicity. Basque and Latino are ethnic descriptions, also. At least, that is my assumption.

Ethnicity in the Caucasus is much more specific. A "Caucasian" would more likely be identified as a Georgian, a Chechen, an Ossetian, etc., and not simply as a "Caucasian."That identification came from one report you mentioned above, Vallone and Butler (2004).....

I was surprised a bit by a supposition posted on another forum. A pretty good genetic genealogist who studies R1b1b2 speculated on the origin of R1b1b2 (R-M269.) His evaluation of samples from Anatolia as well the Arabian Peninsula and Iran and more led to probable region that is centered on the territory between the Black and Caspian Seas.... the Caucasus.He felt it could be directly on the north or south sides of this region, but this was the center point. As a kid I've always had to mark myself on various forms as Caucasian and I always thought that it was weird ... had no idea what Caucasian meant. As I grew up and read a little about the German scientist who came up this term in the 17th century and I thought "how strange, this term comes from a crackpot but we still use it today."Lo and behold, now a pretty sharp guy places the Caucasus as the most likely target for R-M269's origin.