Most, but no where near all. That doent apply to older buildings that were built before those building codes were written, and it doesnt apply to
hastily knocked up buildings that have only qualified for thier habitable status because someone got paid off to look the other way when the walls
went up, and you arent telling me that never happened!

You certainly have a vast knowledge of the underhanded back room deals of the American construction industry, for being a Brit! The point is that not
all ammo penetrates walls- shotgun birdshot for example. For an incapacitated person a knife is about as useful as a pair of roller skates.

Well I guess this was to be expected...now all the crazy copycat shooters come out of the wood work. I hope these horrible incidents don't keep
occurring at this rate. Just sickening...I don't know how they are going to be able to fix the mental health problems humanity is facing. I think
more of the focus needs to be in that direction though.

Maybe if the media stopped advertising them on the front page everytime they happen, the incidents would stop. Personally, I'm tired of hearing
about shootings. They happen every day in various cities throwout the country. Why are they all of a sudden relevent? Maybe its just because the
governemnt wants to attack the 2nd Amendment since they've already attacked the 1st and 5th.

Im British, so no. I live in a military town though, so I have been present for tank gun firings at open days at the local experimental ranges. I
also grew up with my dads workmates going on and on about depth of penetration, recoil strength, and so on, because he worked on those ranges.

If a person is that incapacitated that they cannot swing a knife, how the hell are they supposed to heft, let alone aim and fire, or survive the
recoil of a shotgun?

Out of all the Brit anti-gun flaming over the last week, that may be the most ignorant comment to date. There is no reaching some people, I'm not
going to try any longer.

Although I have to say I am a bit surprised at all the foreigners showing such an interest in American policy. Frankly I don't care about any policy
British passed in their own country and I would never criticize them for it. I don't live there and however they live doesn't matter to me.

If a person is that incapacitated that they cannot swing a knife, how the hell are they supposed to heft, let alone aim and fire, or survive the
recoil of a shotgun?

As a woman I stand a much better chance if I am holding a shot gun instead of a knife,

I think that this thread has been lowered to simple semantics. Rather than dissecting the workings of firearms, which by the way are tools, perhaps
what needs to be talked about is the fact that we as a nation have so many mentally imbalanced and desperate souls.

Locking up folks that we fear, finger printing everyone that owns a gun in order that only that person can fire it forces the population of law
abiding citizens to once again sacrifice and subsidize laws that in the end will have little to no affect on the killing sprees that happen.

If we consider all of the facts of the latest mass shootings, the one thing that stands out the furthest for me as to why someone would do such a
thing, is that the shooters were all on some type of mood altering medication. Modern psychiatry along with the pharmaceutical industry are having a
hay day turning our youth into killing machines.

Well according to that clown LaPierre, it's down to the video games and movies and NOT the automatic weapons in which people have easy access to. You
know, it's funny, the idiot seemed to blame shootings on everything else apart from the gun and nor did he mention anything about cop fatalities,
which are obviously a large part of gun crime also.

edit on 21-12-2012 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)

Quit spreading ignorance! ! !

People DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

If your going to preach at least learn something about what your talking about.

Well I guess this was to be expected...now all the crazy copycat shooters come out of the wood work. I hope these horrible incidents don't keep
occurring at this rate. Just sickening...I don't know how they are going to be able to fix the mental health problems humanity is facing. I think
more of the focus needs to be in that direction though.

Thank the liberals. Used to be you could lock these nutjobs in a boobyhatch and throw away the key, but that came to a crashing halt back in the
60's. Safest job i ever had was working as a correction officer, at least then i knew who the crazies were, but out here? You don't know who they
are, carrying a pistol would make alot of people feel safer. I thought about getting a concealed carry permit myself.

Well according to that clown LaPierre, it's down to the video games and movies and NOT the automatic weapons in which people have easy access to. You
know, it's funny, the idiot seemed to blame shootings on everything else apart from the gun and nor did he mention anything about cop fatalities,
which are obviously a large part of gun crime also.

edit on 21-12-2012 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)

That "clown LaPierre" is a defender of American FREEDOMS something that YOU from Scotland KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!

And GOOD GRIEF,do the UK "clowns"s devote ALL OF YOUR FREE TIME minding American affairs?

Dont you have ANYTHING BETTER to do in Scotland than worry about America? I believe your time would be more wisely used on manning-up and growing a
spine to stop your authorities over there from taking EVERY LAST RIGHT of yours away.

GOOD GRIEF. Mind you OWN affair and keep out of topics you know nothing about. Topics such as "RIGHTS" of citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I don't have to look at the faces of the victims on the front pages of news papers it won't be my business anymore, but till then it is.

Reading a lot of these threads it's almost making me believe that the best way to sort all of this out once and for all is to make it mandatory for
all US citizens over the age of 7 years old to have to carry a loaded gun at all times.
All of the problems will be gone withing 12 months.

All of the people will be too mind....but the unnecessary deaths by shootings don't seem to bother some on here.

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