Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

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Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:43 pm

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Re: Ranking the Dolphins’ all-time first round picks

Why isn't Ted Ginn Jr. on that list?

Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:07 pm

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Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:20 pm

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Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:21 pm

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Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

Yeah winning two Super Bowls, reaching another, and getting to 4 AFC Championship games is nothing to write home about...

Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:34 pm

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Re: Ranking the Dolphins’ all-time first round picks

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Iowafin wrote:

Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

Yeah winning two Super Bowls, reaching another, and getting to 4 AFC Championship games is nothing to write home about...

Yeah, because we all know that Bob Griese did it all by himself. Had nothing to do with having 2 thousand rushers, a no name defense, and the greatest coach in NFL history.

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So you are saying that Tom Brady should not be in the Hall of Fame either then?

Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:40 pm

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Re: Ranking the Dolphins’ all-time first round picks

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So you are saying that Tom Brady should not be in the Hall of Fame either then?

Wow. You are reaching. I don't like Tom Brady, and I don't think New England's Super Bowls should count....so I'll move the argument along....Bob Griese, Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath should not be in the Hall of Fame. Namath threw more picks that TD's by a large margin, and Bradshaw was nearly equal. Griese had a season where he complete only 48% of his passes.

If Super Bowl rings get you into the Hallf of Fame, then why not put every player on the Steelers, Jets or Dolphins in the Hall of Fame of those years? The quarterbacks of those days simply handed the ball off to the running back and let the defense play defense.

Tom Brady has nothing to do with this conversation.

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Tom Brady has 225 passing TD's and 99 INTs in 129 career games. Bob Griese has 192 TD passes and 172 INTs in 161 career games. Brady also has 5000+ more passing yards. He also set the NFL record at the time for TD passes in a year with 50. Mr. Brady also has won 78% of his games, compared for Grieses 61%. That being said, Tom's numbers are statistically better, but I am sure his core of receivers was better, and he passed the ball a lot more in his offense instead of relying on the run game.

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Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

Had you lived to know Griese you wouldn't be saying that. Hall of Famer? I think he's over-rated in that regard, but he was a very intelligent quarterback and had one heck of an arm. Had the Dolphins not run as much as they did, he could have carried them with his arm.

Bob Griese was not that good. I've always been befuddled as to how he got into the Hall of Fame.

Had you lived to know Griese you wouldn't be saying that. Hall of Famer? I think he's over-rated in that regard, but he was a very intelligent quarterback and had one heck of an arm. Had the Dolphins not run as much as they did, he could have carried them with his arm.

Well that's what I'm saying. He is overrated. Still pretty good. In today's NFL he'd be a bust of a first rounder. He was pretty smart, had a good arm, but I don't know if I agree with the fact that if Miami hadn't had a running game that they could win on his arm.

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Re: Ranking the Dolphins’ all-time first round picks

Dont' forget that Griese, Bradshaw and Namath all called their own games. They didn't have plays called for them by the coaches. So in that regard, I think Griese should be in (the HOF) as it was "his" offense.

Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:09 pm

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Two different era's. Griese called his own games and was legally blind in his right eye. When he started wearing glasses his stats went up. That might have been addressed by today's higher tech health care earlier in his career.

Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:13 pm

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Two different era's. Griese called his own games and was legally blind in his right eye. When he started wearing glasses his stats went up. That might have been addressed by today's higher tech health care earlier in his career.

Also, (this doesn't help my argument, but definitely something to throw around) the NFL's rules are slated to help passers today...you could closeline a receiver up to the early to mid 70's. Wasn't until around '78 that they put in the 5 yard chuck rule.

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An AFL All-Star during his first two years, Griese went on to earn AFL All-Star or AFC-NFC Pro Bowl honors in six more seasons. While he never put up huge numbers, his leadership played an important role in helping the Dolphins compete in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning the latter two contests.

He had established his reputation as the “Thinking Man’s Quarterback,” as he brilliantly called his own plays throughout his career. Dolphin owner Joe Robbie called him “the cornerstone of the franchise,” around whom the Miami Dolphins were built.

An AFL All-Star during his first two years, Griese went on to earn AFL All-Star or AFC-NFC Pro Bowl honors in six more seasons. While he never put up huge numbers, his leadership played an important role in helping the Dolphins compete in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning the latter two contests.

He had established his reputation as the “Thinking Man’s Quarterback,” as he brilliantly called his own plays throughout his career. Dolphin owner Joe Robbie called him “the cornerstone of the franchise,” around whom the Miami Dolphins were built.