No fight, no clue, no pace, no width, nothing redeeming at all. Same again at weekend and that's the first 10 games gone and not one decent 90 minute performance in any game. In fact I can't think of the last full game I genuinely enjoyed.

I thought Sandro was a little bit of a bright spot today. A bit of movement and pace up front, if we had a couple more of those players there might be something to work around. All those attacking players are feeding off scraps in this system though.

The main issue for me is that it remains soooo pedestrian. Rooney and Sigurdsson I'd swap tomorrow for Barkley back in there. That's not me trying to make out Barkley to be something he isn't, he had his issues too, but I prefer what he brings to those two.

I thought Sandro was a little bit of a bright spot today. A bit of movement and pace up front, if we had a couple more of those players there might be something to work around. All those attacking players are feeding off scraps in this system though.

The main issue for me is that it remains soooo pedestrian. Rooney and Sigurdsson I'd swap tomorrow for Barkley back in there. That's not me trying to make out Barkley to be something he isn't, he had his issues too, but I prefer what he brings to those two.

Rooney slowed Utd down for 2 years before we signed him...so now he's slowing us down.

I thought Sandro was a little bit of a bright spot today. A bit of movement and pace up front, if we had a couple more of those players there might be something to work around. All those attacking players are feeding off scraps in this system though.

The main issue for me is that it remains soooo pedestrian. Rooney and Sigurdsson I'd swap tomorrow for Barkley back in there. That's not me trying to make out Barkley to be something he isn't, he had his issues too, but I prefer what he brings to those two.

I thought he was shit, looks like he is going to fall over at any moment and those hopeless pot shots from way out do my head in

It looks to me like Koeman has lost the players, that's the only explanation for that performance

Another manager lost the Everton players? Martinez 'lost' the players too. There's a losing mentality at the club and I think it starts with Jagielka and Baines. Good servants and players in the past but not good enough anymore. Baines looks particularly not arsed.

Yes he did score a goal. There are too many defeatists on here and not enough realists, don't you think? I think there is hope at the end of a long dark tunnel which opens up in January to a bright new future with two top strikers and a winger, and Unsworth asking for more time to get us out of the relegation scrap. We will claw our way up to 12th. Nah! No one has a clue where all this will end.