Shooting glocks low and to the left

Hey, I just got back from the range :D. I shot everything I could get my palms on. I shot a smith 686, what a shooter that was. Shot a sig 220, and a czp01 as well. However when I got to the glocks (17/19) I shot both of them low and to the left. I didn't shoot the 17 for more then 30 rounds however. The 19 I shot for 80 rounds, and I was getting good groupings, just low and to the left. I compensated by aligning the front dot sight to the right and high of the rear sight. I did move it a considerable ammount out of alignment. With that done, I could chew the center of the target out easily. Its just that the sights were so out of alignment.

It seemed to be the same way, although not as bad on the 17. Were the rear sights just out of wack? Or was it just me? I shot the sig, the smith, and the cz all fine, none shot low and left for me. My friend also seemed to shoot low and to the left on the 17 as well. Any opionions? Also, what is needed to adjust the rear sight on the glock?

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Owen

November 26, 2006, 07:59 PM

Were you thumb-cocking the 686?

10-Ring

November 26, 2006, 08:23 PM

I'm not a fan of shooting a variety of guns at one time....calibers shoot diff't, sights align diff't, trigger pulls feel diff't...all these things have a cumulative effect. I would try shooting the Glocks only from a rest and determine if it's really you or the guns.

johnmcl

November 26, 2006, 08:30 PM

Greg,

If you were with me and that shot pattern was developing, I'd think you were pushing the gun. That's a anticipatory action that you're doing to (subconsciously) compensate for the coming recoil. The physics of the matter are that you weight a lot more than the gun, hence the gun gets off-sight pattern between ignition and bullet flight.

It happens a lot with tired students. If you shot alot that day, maybe you were just tired when you got the Glocks. Try shooting again one day when you're fresh.

Hope that works,

John

GregGry

November 26, 2006, 08:31 PM

Both Da/sa, mostly DA

I had no problem hitting what I was aiming at with everything else. The last time I shot the glock 17 I was shooting low and to the left as well, good grouping.

GregGry

November 26, 2006, 09:07 PM

Ok thanks for the advice johnmcl. It just seemed like if I held the gun sights lined up, I would not hit what I am aiming at. I can dry fire the glock 17 and keep the sights 100% at what I am aiming at, with almost no movement of the gun. Also, as far as pushing the gun, can you define that more? Also, you wouldn't happen to have a link to one of thoes targets that tells you what your doing wrong to hit other then in the center?

OH25shooter

November 26, 2006, 09:46 PM

It happens a lot with tired students.

What!

Been shooting for over 30 years, and I've never heard that before. In fact, I rented a Glock 26 last week and it shot left as well. It was early afternoon and I didn't feel tired.

TOADMAN

November 26, 2006, 10:07 PM

Too much finger or not enough finger on the trigger to include jerking the trigger just slightly will usually cause low left hits - my best guess..Dry fire practice will improve accuracy. Grip & Trigger control - as we all know - is critical.

Shipwreck

November 26, 2006, 10:09 PM

That happened to me on every Glock I owned - no matter how much I practiced. After 8 years of the Glock 26, I ditched it for a compact P99 because I was tired of always hitting low and left.

But, 1 Glock doesn't do it for me - the Glock 34 - It hits where it should. Only difference is the lighter trigger. I assume if I lowered the trigger pull on any other Glock, I'd probably shoot them okay too.

MT GUNNY

November 26, 2006, 11:22 PM

another thing could be hand positioning on pistol try rotating shooting hand clockwise a little.
snap caps are a great tool for practice (trigger control)

Hawaiian

November 27, 2006, 01:22 AM

It is probably the trigger pull. The HK USP is known to do the same. Low/Left. The trigger pull takes some practice to get used to.

Steve C

November 27, 2006, 02:28 AM

http://www.members.aol.com/scoll63101/public/wheel

RON in PA

November 27, 2006, 03:12 AM

Low and left is a very common complaint with the Glock. A lot of the problem is the nature of the Glock trigger. Practice, practice, practice.

Go to Glock Talk and do a search, you'll find you're not alone.

shooter71

November 27, 2006, 02:53 PM

im bad sometimes to shoot at 7 oclock..but its because i get greedy and try and use to much finger esp at the first joint instead of just the tip..and also i do it a lot with my springer xd..but with a reg sized trigger like a sig i shoot rather well..not sure if the glock/xd style triggers are my forte

Trebor

November 27, 2006, 03:00 PM

A right handed shooter hooting low and left, no matter what the gun, is a sign of a trigger control problem. Most likely you are "anticipating" the recoil and jerking the trigger in such a way that the gun is pulled low and left before the shot is actually fired. You can't tell your doing this because the recoil hides the movement of the gun from you.

If you are only doing it with the Glock, that is because the Glock trigger is just different enough from the other triggers that you need to dry fire it more and shoot it more to get used to how the trigger feels. Don't adjust the sights or aim high and right to compensate. Just dry fire to get an idea of what a correct trigger break with a Glock feels like and then follow up with some good slow fire practice. Focus on a perfect trigger press, every time.

Trust me on this. You'll see the results yourself.

HGUNHNTR

November 27, 2006, 03:56 PM

Having a slightly longer and a bit heavier trigger pull than most of the other guns listed, it sounds to me like you are a right handed shooter that is anticipating the recoil and pushing the shot low and left. Don't worry practice will cure it. Spend some trigger time, and it will remedy itself

JDGray

November 27, 2006, 04:23 PM

GregGry, You just described every range trip I ever made with a Glock:D I can shoot any gun straight, even my 41 mag, pick up a Glock, and I cant hit a thing. Mine were left only, not low. Practice is all you can do:) My brother shoots low and left with his G17. Maybe a 3.5 connector thingy will help.

GregGry

November 27, 2006, 04:39 PM

Ok took another trip today, and shot my friends g17 again. I took a hard lookat the sights, and I could tell that the rear sight was either played with, or it was dropped on something. I adjusted it to the right a bit, and it seemed to point better. I also realized I was not aligning the sights properly, I had the front sight too low. With the changed rear sight postition, and having the front sight higher, it actually hit what I was aiming at :D. If it didn't have the finger grooves I would be able to shoot it better, but overall its not a bad shooter. The cz75 I shoot better in SA/DA but then again I have shot it more then the g17. I can't wait for my CZ75 Sp01 and 97B to come in this week. Shooting heaven :D

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