Eric Dubay often mentions why the church and recently NASA wants you to believe you live on a tiny, spinning ball. I think Jeran of jeranism.com also mentioned this as well.

I found this link on cluesforum – I’m not sure if the author is being sarcastic or not that the Japanese wouldn’t lie about their latest fake space photo.

This passage ended the article, which confirms Eric’s thesis.

Given the low probability that the Hayabusa spacecraft is at the perfect angle to most accurately represent the distance, the distance is likely greater than what appears in the photo. Nonetheless, this is an incredible image to depict the emptiness of space, the great distances between bodies, and how insignificant our Earth is in the dark abyss.

Dave Weiss shills (in the true sense of the word) for Joody Wood (“I’m down to my last book!”). Bob takes whatever interest he has in cluesforum.info and flushes it down the directed energy scalar weapon port hole. Jeran mumbles agreement with their beliefs in the Wood non-theory. Overall, a sad indictment of their research by smearing it with 9/11 nonsense. Start at 1:34:00

Jeran is a good speaker, and seems sincere to me in his quest to bust NASA. You don’t have to buy into the flat earth theory to listen to this very prolific group. Critics of my posting on this topic seem to be convinced this is one giant DBA cointelpro operation. If so, Jeran sure has me fooled, as I detect sincerity rather than deception.

Instead of attacking them for their Judy Wood promotion, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and ask why cluesforum and media fakery haven’t played a bigger role in their 9/11 deception comprehension.

I’ll remind readers here that I fell into the Judy Wood trap first, before finding the research of cluesforum. Judy Wood and her book have been promoted by the alternate community for a long time, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable for many casual 9/11 researchers to be stuck with her.

I enjoy Jeran and his views…he is definitely well spoken. Patricia, every time cluesforum and September Clues gets mentioned on your shows, the topic gets blown over or ignored. You also seem to plug Judy Wood and her book every chance 9/11 comes up.. I am glad Jeran responded that Judy Wood and her magical weapon wasn’t necessary for the 9/11 deception to be successful. I hope you study media fakery and cluesforum, as it’s essential in understanding every media event – including JFK.

The main reason I post FE material is for the wealth of NASA bashing found in them. I cannot endorse every word spoken in everything I post here, that’s impossible and ridiculous. I am open to questioning the nature of the earth since its very well promoted features are mainly promoted by space fakery central, NASA. It is only from space that we can see an image of the earth, and in particular this mysterious land mass called Antarctica.

I also have posted in the past many audios from Fetzer, who of course just breezes by septemberclues.info. However many of his guests have spoken well on deception and fakery, so I don’t hesitate to include them and point out what parts I enjoy.

I still find it hard to believe that this micro community can attract a fully blown psyop like flat earth DBA. I can still believe it, though, and only time will tell how this shakes out.

Luckily, I have half a lifetime left to figure things out. If that isn’t enough time, I’ll pass on my skepticism to those around me that want to keep looking. Otherwise, I don’t self impose any deadlines and continue to offer up the research for debate.

Thanks, Painterman – your comment comes as a breath of fresh air to me in these ‘trying’, flatulent times…Sadly, if we had to coldly / lucidly assess NASA’s Flat Earth Psyop, we must admit it has been, so far, a roaring success – what with swarms of ‘free-thinkers-cum-truthseelkers’ falling for it like flies in a DDT chamber. If, as you say, it manages to entrench itself and somehow ‘fulfill’ its obvious DBA / dumbing-down agenda, we the self-declared exposers of media fakery will share the blame. For now, I have personally done the little I can to raise awareness of it – in what, alas, has felt like a near-solitary effort, what with the poor cohesion among seemingly like-minded intellects within the media fakery micro-community.

Here we have sultry smooth talker interviewing an otherwise intelligent engineer, while referencing Simon Shack and the cluesforum.info forum, describing them as a limited hang out. Intelligent engineer then goes on to say how impressed he is with Judy Wood’s assessment of how the World Trade Center was taken down with not a word of discussion on media fakery.

Now we have Matrix Decoded, Brian the engineer, and David Weiss all firmly in the Judy Woods camp while promoting the flat earth.

Is this all a program to marginalize and help bury media fakery and September Clues? If so, it’s quite the subtle yet expanding operation.

After I last visited Simon, he found a document on his computer desktop that he must have meant to investigate, while researching Earth models. and it was called proofs.doc. Simon asked me if I left it there for him, and I truthfully answered that I did not, and I don’t know where it came from. I still don’t. However, it did look familiar to me, and it was written in an old style, as if copied from an old text or manuscript. Its title was:

I have the personality to fall into all rabbit holes, it seems. I DO have the ability to climb out of most of them. Is Simon telling me I’ve fallen into a giant, NASA Flat Earth rabbit (moon) crater? If so, I’ll be happy to climb out.

The main thing I have learned in this fakeologist journey is that the this is a battle for the human mind. A real science is involved in influencing and leading human beings at all times. Just knowing this fact is 50% of the battle, the other 50% is trying to escape its clutches.

I think it is high time for us to react / address and call out the current, escalating yet all-too-transparent “DBA-strategy” (Discredit By Association) adopted by NASA’s propaganda dept – clearly designed for damage control: NASA has by now been roundly exposed as a total fraud – and, of course, they weren’t going to just sit back and let a growing number of honest / legitimate grass-root researchers “lead” the fledgling ‘NASA truth movement’ (for lack of a better term – *sigh*) and tranquilly diffuse their findings to the general public – in any sort of snowballing / or unimpeded fashion.What NASA has rolled out is a carefully planned and coordinated, ‘viral’ DBA / co-opting campaign centered on the ‘Flat Earth’ meme and – I will hastily add – (with respect to those who may honestly entertain alternative cosmic models of their own) this fact should be clear as day to anyone, regardless of whether you reckon we live on a globe, a cube, a pancake or a Wiener würstel. The point being, it is by now painfully obvious that the objective of this NASA-campaign is to associate & equate (in the general public’s psyche) anyone questioning NASA to mentally challenged / raving crackpots: