Psychopath Game

It was inevitable that the winding path to Chateau Heartiste, hedged by fragrant nihilismicus viscosum, would culminate, as it traveled past the noble stone house to the woods out back, in a dark place where demons play. And when one ponders the changing nature of the empire within which CH is embedded, it should not surprise to stumble upon these demons at the foul climax of their bacchanalia.

Meet Stanley, the psychopath. This is his story. Pay special attention to his relationships with women. Read about his near-magical power to seduce and charm women to perform services for him that would defy the imagination of the most corrupted and vengeful beta male.

During the summer of 1972 a small item of news appeared in many of our daily newspapers over the country. It was an item that immediately engaged my attention. Over the two short columns was printed this arresting headline:

YOUNG MAN INDUCES FIVE TEEN-AGE GIRLS TO SHAVE THEIR HEADS

The report, as I remember it, did not go into much detail about this unusual event or give an adequate account of the young man’s methods of persuasion, of his motives, or of just what impulses might have prompted the five girls to take such an unusual and, one might even say, such an unnatural step. Among my first thoughts on this accomplishment was that Stanley must surely have been the man who brought it about. Who in the entire world but Stanley would have thought up such an exploit? Who else would have had the inclination to carry it out? Though the news report did not actually identify Stanley as the man involved, it brought back many memories of him over the immediately preceding period of several years when I was trying to deal with him and some of the complicated and unusual problems his behavior kept creating for those concerned with him, and for himself.

Like a number of other patients presented in this book, he repeatedly showed evidence of superior abilities and demonstrated over and over that he could succeed in Studies, in business, in impressing and attracting other people, and in virtually anything he might choose to undertake. And, similarly, he lost, or seemed to throw away, with no sign of adequate motivation, everything he gained, and especially the things that he claimed meant most of all to him.

The psychopath is different than most people. He is missing, or seductively convinces himself that he’s missing, a moral sense, save for that morality which accrues to the self. He may not be evil, but he certainly has the capacity to be evil, for he will have no remorse should he choose evil. An amoral person, whose amorality is perhaps developmentally hardwired, who can’t empathize with the suffering of others and for whom others exist solely as instruments of his pleasure… can this person be described as anything but a demon in human form?

And yet, here again, as we discover so often when examining this subspecies of man closely, women can’t resist the demon’s sway. They drop to their knees to suck his devil seed dry. Why? What is the psychopath’s source of power over women? Clues abound.

Typical of his behavior in high school is an incident that occurred while he was making excellent grades and holding positions of leadership. With no notice or indirect indication of restlessness, Stanley suddenly vanished from the scene. He failed one day to appear at classes and did not show up at home that night. After he had been gone for over two weeks, a period of great anxiety for his parents who had no way of knowing whether he was living or dead, the police finally discovered him working successfully in a large department store in Knoxville, Tennessee, approximately a hundred and fifty miles away. He seemed quite unconcerned with the ordeal to which he had subjected his parents.

The psychopath has mastered the attitude of aloof indifference.

During his first year at the university he was accused by a girl he had recently met of getting her pregnant after solemn promises of matrimony.

Before this trouble was settled by his family, at considerable expense, a similar accusation was made by another girt in a different state.

The psychopath lies with ease. More importantly, he knows what lies are most effective.

To set out without delay on the trip of approximately a hundred miles he casually stole a truck that happened to be at hand. It was heavily loaded with dairy products. State police pursued him, and in the chase he turned over the truck wrecking it and injuring a companion he had persuaded to go along with him. The damages, including hospital bills, cost his family several thousand dollars.

The psychopath is impulsive. He acts recklessly. I’m sure his company is very exciting for the people who have the fortune to meet him.

While still in college, he showed his excellent persuasive abilities during one summer vacation selling Bibles down in the Cajun country near the Gulf of Mexico.

The psychopath is a natural in the art of persuasion.

During this time he was living with his first wife who eventually had to leave him because of his tyrannical demands and his predilection for beating her up severely at the slightest provocation. It is difficult to imagine conduct of this sort in one who ordinarily gives the impression of a well-bred and considerate gentleman.

The psychopath is an occasionally dangerous man, and all the more dangerous for the expertise he brings at concealing his dark nature.

In discussing the first wife’s accusations of such conduct as this, Stanley usually brushed them aside as a typically feminine and somewhat ridiculous exaggeration of some minor disagreement. When confronted with undeniable evidence to the contrary, he admitted having taken mild physical measures to influence her, saying that he “just couldn’t stand her screaming and bawling,” This habit of hers, he said, made him lose his temper. When it was emphasized to him that her weeping and outcries did not precede the beatings but occurred only after the beatings began, he showed very little response. Apparently he felt that this crucial point was not sufficiently important to argue about and seemed to dismiss it without further thought as something virtually irrelevant, or at most a trifle.

The psychopath doesn’t feel genuine feelings, but he can mimic feelings, which is a sufficient talent to attract the interest of women. Never underestimate the number of women who can be bamboozled by phony emoting.

Chiefly because of this physical maltreatment, the first wife left him on many occasions.

Translation: She kept going back to him.

When with her and when separated, he easily obtained employment, usually as a salesman.

The psychopath has state control.

While he worked, his income was ample for any ordinary needs. During one period of prosperity he was very successful selling small computers for household use. He later added as a sideline the enthusiastic promotion and sale of waterbeds, shortly after these were introduced and hailed as a stimulating erotic innovation.

The psychopath seduces employers, customers, and women alike.

Then, without any particular reason, he would give up an excellent job at which he was distinguishing himself.

The psychopath is unpredictable.

Sometimes he would go out merrily and buy on credit several expensive suits and ample supplies of new shoes, shirts, and neckties.

The psychopath peacocks.

Stanley has proved himself a master over the years at misrepresentation in situations where the truth would cause him difficulty or put him in a bad light.

The psychopath never DLVs (demonstrates lower value).

He has also been scarcely less active and ingenious in the fabrication of elaborate lies that seem to have had little or no chance of helping him gain any material objective. […]

On at least one occasion he told a psychiatrist that when he was about 10 years old his mother frequently had adulterous relations in his presence with various men. When the plausibility of this claim was questioned, Stanley explained, or seemed to feel that he explained, by saying, “It was because she knew she could trust me with anything.”

The psychopath loves fucking with people’s heads.

While separated from his wife for a period of several months, he went for a short time with a divorcee not long out of her teens, who will here be designated as Marilyn. During this brief courtship he convinced her that though he had once been married, his wife and also his 2-year-old son had died. Actually they were at the time living in another state with the wife’s parents.

The psychopath does it all for the nookie. Or, rather, he does it all for himself, and the (barely legal) nookie mysteriously follows.

At their first encounter, or soon after, he convinced Marilyn that he was deeply in love with her and had every intention of marrying her. She had no way of knowing that these intentions, if they ever existed, had greatly changed (or that Stanley’s wife was still living) until he came to her with what must have been one of the strangest, most surprising and most inappropriate proposals ever made by man to woman.

He requested and persistently urged Marilyn to write a letter to his wife and in it explain to her that Stanley’s love for her (the wife) was strong and genuine and to implore her to accept and welcome him back without further delay. I have inexpressible respect for this young man’s powers of persuasion and have often marveled at his accomplishments in getting people, sometimes the most unlikely people, enlisted in working with him to bring about his various and sometimes incompatible or absurd aims.

Despite these extraordinary powers, Marilyn could not be induced to take the role that he tried to press upon her, Though extremely shrewd in many ways, Stanley, in discussing this matter, seemed to show some peculiar limitation of awareness, some defect in sensibility, of a nature I cannot describe or clearly imagine. This often led him into gross errors of judgment that even very stupid people would readily see and easily avoid.

The reactions Marilyn must have had to the unusual role he proposed and urged upon her invite many questions. Putting further speculation about these reactions aside for the moment, I asked Stanley if he did not think it might have seriously damaged the cause he sought to further if Marilyn had written the letter to intercede for him. Surely, I thought, it would occur to Stanley that such a letter from the other woman would point out and emphasize his sexual infidelity during the separation.

“Oh, no,” said Stanley, in tones of strong and almost indignant conviction. “My wife knows I’d never be unfaithful to her.”

He then went into some detail about her unassailable confidence in his sexual loyalty. “Why,” he said as if in real pride, “I promised her that if I ever did that with another woman, I’d let her know about it right away.”

I then brought up the point that he had given me plainly to understand that he and Marilyn had been indulging in sexual relations freely and regularly up to the time when he made his request for her intercession. Stanley seemed in no way dismayed. “But my wife,” he said confidently, “She doesn’t know about that.”

The psychopath possesses a vast reservoir of overconfidence and overestimation of the attraction that women have for him. Experience justifies his bloated self-conception.

Something in his attitude seemed to give fleeting and very imperfect hints of a difference far within that distinguished him in a very special way from the usual or ordinary human being who is unscrupulous and unconcerned about veracity or honor. When Stanley said, “My wife knows I’d never be unfaithful,” there was in his tone what seemed to be the very essence of truth and sincerity. There was pride in his voice that seemed rooted in this essence. Could it be that for the moment he lost awareness that he was lying? Perhaps even awareness of what truth is? If so, I think this oversight might have occurred because to him it mattered so little. Whether his sworn fidelity was real or not was apparently no more than an academic question empty of substance. The only tangible issue was whether or not it contributed toward gaining his ends. Whether the fidelity existed or his oath had been honored was, for Stanley, a matter that could interest only a sophist who concerned himself not with actualities, but with mere verbalistic capers.

The psychopath has unshakeable inner game.

On two or three occasions he voluntarily entered psychiatric hospitals, apparently to impress his wife by making her think he had at last realized he needed help and meant to change some of his ways. These visits were brief and fruitless and seemed plainly designed to manipulate domestic situations or to elicit new financial aid from his parents.

The psychopath is always looking out for number one.

His many notable and sometimes puzzling exploits were apparently decided upon and carried off on his own, without extraneous stimulation or chemical aid.

The psychopath loves himself.

In high school, and in college during the late 1960’s, he was often thrown with and sometimes almost surrounded by groups of young people who went about in ragged blue jeans, with unkempt beards and long dirty hair that seemed to offer a standing invitation to lice. With many of these young men it was considered stylish and desirable to leave out their shirttails and, on formal occasions, sometimes to come barefooted. Among these could be found many who thought of themselves as radical activists defying the “establishment” and its laws, moral codes, and conventions. In contrast, Stanley wore traditional clothes, remained clean-shaven with neatly trimmed auburn hair. He seemed to have no special interest in changing or challenging society, or in promoting rebellion. Verbally he expressed allegiance to law and order and regularly identified himself with traditional virtues.

The psychopath is a nonconformist.

Let us note briefly a few examples of Stanley’s typical power to convince and to persuade. A year or two before his second wife had to leave him he had no difficulty in getting a young women to turn over to him all her savings, which she had accumulated by steady work over years and which she had been carefully guarding to give her two young children some measure of security. She had clear knowledge of Stanley’s repeatedly demonstrated financial irresponsibility and, one would think, almost certain knowledge of what would happen to her savings.

The psychopath is so seductive he causes women to lose the normal functioning sense of propriety and self-interest they normally exhibit when in the company of niceguy beta males.

More recently he succeeded in arranging for admission to the hospital of a young woman with whom he had been living for a few weeks. She was legally married to another man but had left his bed and board. Stanley was able somehow to convince the ordinarily strict and uncompromising authorities in charge of admission to this hospital that insurance his employer carried on him would cover this lady in the same way as if she were indeed his wife. She did not claim his name as her own or attempt to falsify otherwise her name and status. When she was dismissed, the hospital was left with a large unpaid account that is almost certain to withstand even the most heroic efforts at collection.

Five minutes of psychopath beats five years of beta husband.

On another occasion, Stanley escaped the consequences of a felony charge by serenely posing as an undercover agent working with the authorities against organized pushers in the hard drug traffic. This ruse apparently worked well enough for him to avoid arrest and to leave the state and eventually to takefurther intricate steps to escape the legal consequences that would almost surely have been disastrous to the ordinary man.

The psychopath loves to role play.

His unusual ability to make conviction spring to life and continue to flourish against adversity, and even obvious contradiction, emerges again in a somewhat different area. An attractive and sensitive young woman whose early years had been extremely unhappy and, perhaps, had given her a far greater than ordinary need for genuine and unstinted love, seemed to find at last in Stanley what she had sought above all else in life. She was separated from her husband and for a long time had been loved dearly by another man who apparently offered her everything in his life without qualification or demand for ordinary reciprocation. Stanley grossly mistreated this appealing sexual partner who continued to live with him despite gross and flaunted infidelity, severe and repeated beatings, and other unprovoked outrages. In attempting to explain why she continued with him despite real fear that he might kill her, she said that somehow he made her feel genuinely loved for the first time in her entire life.

The psychopath knows… CHICKS DIG JERKS.

This statement seemed at first to suggest that Stanley might possess remarkable physical prowess and skill at sexual relations. It also might suggest that his partner was masochistic and actually found some perverse satisfaction from being mistreated. Continuing study of her reactions and her attitude gave increasing, and finally convincing, evidence that in neither of these possibilities lay a likely explanation of her loyalty. The more she discussed their physical activities in sexual relations, the more Stanley’s performance seemed unimaginative and his abilities at best ordinary. What she thought he offered her was not primarily physical. It was, I believe, precisely what he was almost infinitely incapable of offering, even in a small degree, but what he apparently simulated with complete success, casually and without effort. It was, she repeatedly said, the way be made her feel personally valued and cherished, deeply and truly loved, rather than a remarkable sensuously erotic experience that bound her to him. One can but marvel that Stanley, and only Stanley, of all the men she had known, could give her this invincible impression of sincerity in personal love and make it convincing time after time despite the repeated and trenchantly disillusioning contradictions demonstrated so vividly and so painfully, and sometimes brutally, by his conduct.

The psychopath is a maestro of the comfort stage of seduction. He intuitively knows that love, even simulated love, is a drug women can’t live without, and a reagent that dissolves the perimeter defenses of the most hardened cynics. But love is never more intoxicating to women than when it’s extracted, slowly and painfully, from a man who won’t give it up easily.

During another period of marital separation, this time from his second wife, Stanley carried out an exploit worthy of our attention. After a brief sexual adventure with another attractive young woman, Yvette,

Psychopaths keep ten in the kitty.

he apparently tired of her and turned his attentions to Sally, one of her friends from a nearby town.

Psychopaths are preselected by women.

She, too, was responsive and everything seemed to indicate a serious and progressive love affair. This new relationship, however, was abruptly terminated by a sudden trip to Europe that Stanley decided to make for reasons that he never made convincing to me, or even quite clear.

Psychopaths are outcome independent.

[Stanley] claims to have learned from Sally that Yvette was about to leave the country, that she was planning to spend some time in Brussels, and later in other parts of Europe. On hearing this, Stanley says that he called Yvette’s home and was told that Yvette was not there. He, nevertheless, persisted in seeking all sorts of information about her trip, apparently making a nuisance of himself and pressing her father repeatedly for information on points he felt were not properly a matter of Stanley’s concern. The father finally hung up, and afterward neither parent would talk with Stanley on the telephone. They had apparently been unhappy about Yvette’s former association with him and did not want it to be renewed.

Diligent fathers are kryptonite to psychopaths. Single moms are… you finish the sentence.

When asked why he did not get word to Yvette by some simpler means, such as having Sally notify her family, he does not give a really adequate explanation. He repeatedly emphasizes his sense of mission, the urgency of his task, and his determination to fulfill it. He also fills in details of action and adventure on the way to Brussels and while there in such a way as to conceal, or at least almost magically blur, the deficiencies that leave the account of his maneuvers so far from convincing.

Psychopaths are always DHVing (demonstrating higher value).

“Why,” Stanley answered promptly, and in his best tones of knight-errantry, “I’d have done that for anybody.”

It is beyond my power to describe the glibness or convey what I believe to be the lack of substance and reality, the emptiness of real human feeling, in these fine words that came to him so readily.

The psychopath is alien to men, and lover to women.

One gets the impression that Stanley sliced through the ordinarily paralyzing masses of bureaucratic technicalities and red tape with ease and celerity suggestive of Alexander the Great when confronted by the Gordian knot.

In expediting transactions and in manipulating people for this exploit, Stanley must have been at his best. The implausible story about Yvette having carried with her the wrong medicine and its alleged threat of danger to her life must have taken on lyrical notes in his telling.

The psychopath is a skilled storyteller. The content of his stories matter less than the style in which he delivers them.

On the other hand it must be remembered that Stanley has often carried out various extremely injudicious projects, suddenly and with no apparent regard for the consequences, and without any discernible goal that could, in terms of ordinary human motivation, account for his conduct.

There seems little doubt that he grossly exaggerates and indulges in fantastic lies as he recounts his adventures, but there is reason to believe he attracted enough attention with the publicity he gained to persuade first class hotels and restaurants to honor his checks and enable him to live for a while in high style while he pursued his course as a dedicated man on a desperate mission of mercy.

Chicks dig a self-made man.

Here he seemed to find a role that highly elated him in some peculiarly egoistic fashion. In it he seemed to find a satisfaction somewhat similar to but greater than the satisfaction apparently given him by some of his other less elaborate lies and posings and his sprees of squandering money that he did not possess.

Is there any doubt remaining why women love psychopaths? The psychopath’s character and method is the distilled essence of Game. Of applied charisma.

Psychopath Game is End Game. It’s where a player will go should he decide to pursue his calling to the extremes of accomplishment. All that’s left to wonder is what of the future? Is our world becoming more welcoming to psychopaths and their depredations? Are women, freed from the shackles of reliance on emotionally healthy beta providers, seeking in increasing number the very special attentions of the charming psychopath?

If so, shudder for your posterity. Because that demon retreat awaits them.

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This attempt to praise and normalize antisocial pathologies is a serious misunderstanding of the concept of disorder. It is not a giggly free fuck-all to go through life with an inability to make human connections.

It is akin to normalizing faggotry or “homo-” sexuality, a similar disorder that was hissed out of the DSM forty years ago by the fairy brigade. Only this time it isn’t poofters getting empowered, it is nerdy social shutouts.

Prose like, “nihilismicus viscosum … a dark place where demons play … near-magical power … a reagent that dissolves the perimeter defenses … shudder for your posterity. Because that demon retreat awaits them” is bloated and purpler than Barney the Dinosaur. The enthrallment with Like Way DARRRKKK things reeks of gothboy loserdom. That fucking dude is wearing a cape in the above video. All that’s missing is the fedora.

The immature fascination with evil — which is in fact banal, petty, and the key to failure in life — is something every man with a father should have grown out of by age 20. There is a time to put away the dice of many sides and stop pretending dragons are kewl kuz they like do what they want n’ they so got, like, their own code, man, like, I am so chaotic evil, watch out world, here comes Searcy Nightshade (formerly known as Herb).

This childishness is a serious debilitation and keeps the community a well-preserved afterthought niche like occult Magic card game clubs.

My instinct is to hold out and wait for the announcement that this inane state of mind is a deliberately over-the-top parody, but I know better. “The psychopath loves to role play.” Indeed.

Would you agree that attraction lacks any moral element and is instead a function of power?

A man’s life is about a whole lot more than attraction. While it’s possible to learn a thing or two from observing psychopaths, to look up to them with starry-eyed admiration the way heartiste does here is at best pathetic.

I would not agree with that, no. Attraction is one of the more complex responses in which just about everything is a factor, including morality.

Again, you and your feminist-nihilist-materialist upbringing tends to equate goodness with weakness because weakness and passivity are the vehicle for female morality (and the source of female power), whereas male righteousness is effected through directness and strength. Therefore the “misandrists” redefined forthright action in itself as evil, and you, having learned no other way until game, agree with those absurd attempts to overturn nature.

Finally — though this is the very last place to have this discussion — there is a powerful attractive element to righteousness, arguably the most powerfully attractive element there is.

Some stupid child commenting below brags about we won’t find him “jumping on a grenade” for his brothers. Which is the more attractive friend? One who runs from a fight or one who charges at the enemy? Which receives universal approbation and the very highest recognition our nation awards? Which is universally shamed as ill-befitting a man? (In every place and every time in history, the equivalent of slut shaming for women is the shaming of men for being cowardly.)

There is no contest, though this site pretends otherwise. “No greater love hath a man than this…”

“In every place and every time in history, the equivalent of slut shaming for women is the shaming of men for being cowardly.”

High quality insight there Matthew. If it is not wrong slut shame (it is not), then it is wrong to celebrate craven cowardice and weasel behavior. For precisely the same reasons, since those forms of shaming strengthen both the individual and society (and hence, to use the coin of the realm, our collective reproductive success). To vomit out righteous shaming for either sex is to set us on the path to being consumed by the void.

I never equated goodness with weakness. I implied that morality has nothing to do with attraction. There is strength and there is weakness. People are attracted to strength. How this attraction manifests — respect/fear/love — is a function of the individual’s expressed morality.

Which is the more attractive friend

If he is weak, then him charging at the enemy is a liability and I would rather he flee. If he is strong, then he can offer me value.

It boils down to value, which itself boils down to power. You receive plaudits from others when you add value to their exploits or cause. Seems to have nothing to do with whether you can attract others.

And shaming is just a form of social pressure, hardly evidence of “how it ought to be.” Feminists shame men for being men, does that mean that men are supposed to do what feminists say they are supposed to do?

For example, I could easily see other reasons for deriding a man as cowardly, beyond the man actually being cowardly. Mainly, as an attempt to smear his character for making the prudent choice to take his value away from another’s cause.

Aren’t you the one who is always on about slave v. master morality? Shaming is the weapon of the slave. It’s really just a veiled way of saying ‘use your value for our cause rather than yours!’

Your statement “morality has nothing to do with attraction” is a wholly owned subsidiary of “goodness is weakness.” Particularly in this culture, which you do not contradict, that understands morality as such. You conclude otherwise because you see ostensibly “moral” fellows going home with their dick in their hand while amoral or immoral men seize the snatch, do you not? I am not gainsaying the phenomenon; I am rejecting your inability to locate morality in the transaction.

The cringing boy whom girls assume is “creepy” is not moral, nor is he amoral. He is positively immoral. He is a man rejecting his active nature and wallowing in a tranny passivity. To reject nature is evil. The man who gathers the courage to approach, on the other hand, is fulfilling his nature and initiating the sexual interaction. Embracing one’s nature is a moral pursuit.

Your denial that righteousness has anything to do with attraction is born of your utterly correct observation that weak gameless wonders with kind hearts do not attract women. Which is absolutely true, except that cowardly kind-hearts without the strength to be righteous are an advertisement for evil, and you are a consumer of the devil’s product.

I have a different opinion because I’ve been around enough guys who do well with women to realize that their actual moral orientation has little relation to their success. A few of the guys are nice, and a few of the guys are dirtbags. What they have in common is that inner core confidence.

Maybe you’d say that the nice guy and the dirtbag in that scenario both possess more virtue than the “dick-in-hand” fellow.

But as with any disorder, a psychopath has some laudable traits which we should aspire to.

Actually, a better way is to emulate the great saints. Like psychopaths, the great saints didn’t care diddly-squat about gaining the approval of other humans. They did what they had to do. Of course, a saint does his best to follow what God wants, whereas a psychopath is only chaos, but given that God represents truth ‘n beauty, it should appear obvious that a saint is a far better model for those of us who want to keep the human race alive.

Remember, Jesus Christ had hordes of women blubbering over him while he was led off to be crucified.

Although he did attend Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship, what I find most fascinating is that Cleckley’s entire professional career [undergraduate, medical school, practice as an attending] was spent in the state of Georgia [USA].

I’m beginning to suspect that a work like “Mask of Sanity” could not have been written by a psychiatry professor at Harvard or Yale or Johns Hopkins precisely because all of those guys were Inner Party Frankfurt School Nihilists who were actively ROOTING for monsters like Stanley to win the day, and who were intensely studying the Stanleys in order to learn the psychopath’s techniques for seducing and enslaving and destroying the weak-minded.

And all of this crap which is being fed to the little kids nowadays – Sesame Street, The Disney Channels, Miley Cyrus, Katie Perry, Justin Bieber, Outcomes Based Education, Common Core, etc etc etc – is just so much Frankfurt School brainwashing intended PRECISELY to create the anti-intellectual anti-moral anti-civilization milieu which is most easily conquered by the Stanleys of the world.

On the one hand, there are some big moves happening in places I think you are currently banned from. Dalrock at… uhhh… BAN YOUR ASS. com. Or something…

Secondarily, old ass white boy Henry Rollins did this video as a parable, and cautionary tale, but no one got it. So… being a college kid of the 90s who had been burned, this was my call to arms. I decimated like fucking Sauron, LEGION of whores with this as my call to arms. At the time of this video, in the 90s, Mystery didn’t exist. Game didn’t exist. CH was probably a freshmen sucking the tit of the newly awesome “diversity is our strength” meme.

Me? I banged out half a dozen girls by telling them that this is best I can offer them. My shit has been downhill (uphill?) since then,

I in fact have no problem with Henry Rollins or spastic PUA gurus or even comic book role models teaching young men how to be manly in this fatherless and femme-dom culture. I encourage them to get their manhood by hook or by crook. It is the entire reason I have loyalty to the game community.

There is a time and a place for that initiation process. Many get it through hard rock and gangster rap, full-contact athletics, and juvenile delinquency. It is one of the two necessary elements for civic manhood. Encouraging aggression is the easy part — boys will find an outlet. Instilling temperance (or self-control) is the difficult follow-up.

Show me a grown man with cartoon fantasies of evil and I see a late bloomer who didn’t encounter manliness in a timely fashion. Because if the introduction happens when it is supposed to — in a man’s teenage years — there is time for the wisdom of trial and error to demonstrate the impotence of evil. To see how rock stars become dead junkies, how “gangsta” rappers either get shot or get domesticated, how the star QB is mopping floors at Wal-Mart, how the loser juvie never learned to read and can’t hold down a job.

No, what a successful man gains in his twenties is the wisdom of discipline. The military, particularly the USMC, has this formula down to perfection. It channels a young man’s easily-generated aggression into razor-sharp control. And when it comes time to unleash the monster on the battlefield, it is like pressing a button.

The alternative is to make up for lost time by pretending raw aggression and unleashed psychopathy is somehow adequate and by claiming discipline is for losers. Those who fall for such snake-oil are telling on themselves. By the time a man reaches 25, he should naturally provide his own (well-earned) grain of salt whenever some adolescent tries his “Evil Is Kewl” spiel on a grown man.

the good news is that if the girls i’ve “infected” are to be believed, there are very few out there so your doomsday prepper civilization revival team likely won’t really ever meet one. work for one maybe, who knows.

“Mental health” is a pseudological concept. If I’ve got the flu I can say, “I’m sick”. When I get over it, I can say, “I’m healthy”. But on what basis can I say, “I’m mentally healthy”? Mentally health is always judged someone else, who himself has to be judged by someone else competent to make that judgement, a component of which competency is being — mentally healthy — and so it goes, ad infinitum. Who is the ultimate judge? Is he “mentally healthy”?

Mental illness is not falsifiable. If I say, “you are an epileptic”, you can bring me back a normal EEG, copy your entire medical record, including neurology consult for neuralgia, which makes no mention of seizures or history of seizure disorder and bring me sworn affidavits of your close friends, coworkers and family members, each attesting that they’ve never seen you have a fit. Alternatively, if I say, “you’re pretty healthy”, you can bring me records, including objective test results and numerous surgeries, showing me that your health is worse than that of the guy who wrote the song, “If You Dig It, Don’t Do It”.

But if I say, “you have mother issues that are causing you to be depressed” or “you have a borderline personality”, how can you prove me wrong? I might as well have said that faeries are watching over you, in terms of your ability to falsify my statement.

“Depression” is real like pain is. But pain isn’t a disease and neither is depression. Homosex is mal-adaptive behaviour. It doesn’t follow that there is a disease causing it. If there is the disease should be named for the part of the brain involved or for the man who discovers the part of the brain involved.

“Mental illness” is the only human disease category,

Where none of the diseases can be definitively diagnosed on autopsy
Where the diagnoses can’t be falsified
Where not one of the diseases can directly cause death
Where none of the diagnoses can be confirmed or ruled out with objective tests
Where none of the diseases or analogues of them occur in all mammals with similar organ system
Where diseases are put in or taken out of the diagnosis manual on the basis of voting
Where symptoms or manifestations are routinely labelled diseases and labels not update with new understanding
Where the aetiology, pathogenesis and pathophysiology of the diseases is not understood
Where physical causation hypotheses are often based on the general effects of palliative treatments
Where behaviour and mental state are not merely symptoms, sequelae or manifestations but constitute the disease itself

Are you kidding me? Psychiatry is just such a religion (that I have alittle trouble believeing you’d shill for). It’s relative to the cultural/political Zeitgeist. Yesterday, homosexuality was a “disorder”, today, you’ve got a phobia if it repells you but yesterday’s normal boisterous young boys are “disordered” and have a Ritalin deficiency. “Diagnostic” categories are fucking voted on! It’s like if Neurologist suggested to de-list Bell’s Palsy from pathology text because sufferers are ridiculed. He’d get laughed off the podium.

My religion expressly doesn’t sanctify mixed race marriages. For that reason alone, it is superior to yours. “Be (in Heiddeger sense) White”. Everything follows from there. No eating saviours or drinking their blood, no “worship”, no “rendering to Caesar…”, no meekness, no sheep, no turning other cheek, no spiritual equality with Hottentots, no contracts through middlemen…

BTW, In case you haven’t read the news, US Marines these days are showering with proud out-of-the-closets.Enemies who would have surrendered will fight to the death rather than be buggered. They lost their moral authority way back in 1914 when they didn’t take over the treasonous government rather than go and needlessly slaughter their cousins in Europe (some would say 1860).

Just because you’ve stumbled across one of the great lies of our age and are willing to call a spade a spade doesn’t mean vanquishing that lie can provide the stuff of a new religion. When the righteous remnant generations hence laughs at our obvious folly, you will have pinned your faith to a peculiarity and an ancient obsolescence with no relevance to their life.

Universality is the key to every successful religion. Provincial faiths are incestuous and cannibalistic. Just because we have inherited a corrupted understanding of the absolute does not mean your rejection of absolutes per se will have any staying power. People who desire the true, the beautiful, and the just will not be fooled by your relativist propaganda which claims what’s true for whites is not true for blacks.

The corrupted understanding of the absolute degenerates into a lack of discernment and judgment, which is relativism. When the superior culture of the world allowed inferiors to grasp at equality, it began the momentum for its own destruction. Your position does this too, since you do not want a world dominated by superiors so much as you want the superiors to be isolated and left unbothered.

Do you even understand how you aid and abet the enemy, how yours is a species of multiculturalism? Instead of the outright lie of, say, the “black is beautiful” campaign, you dress your deeper lie in a tempting truth, that white is beautiful. True, but not true enough. Because that relativist understanding undermines you from the start: it implies that white is beautiful for whites and black for blacks and yellows for yellows. But true religion requires the assertion that one truth fits all, lest it dissolve into solipsism and individual self-worship. And the truth is white is absolute standard of beauty for all.

I know I’m talking to a wall. I just want you to remember my observations when people rightly laugh at you for the promotion of your particularized-neopaganism-substituting-for-universality as vaguely preposterous, though neither they nor you will be able to account for why.

This is no universalist/particularist argument. You certainly deny that whales, dolphins or any of the great apes have souls worth being concerned with. I am just more particularist than you in that I expand the exclusion list to include Hottentots, Australoids, Bantus, et. al.

I’m fine letting readers decide which is the closer scenario to “reality”: the one where you are a psychopathic superhero coolguy, or the one where boys eventually grow out of their impotence and therefore overcome the need to declare power fantasies to strangers online.

and with that you demonstrate how incredibly maddening it is to the typical Beta that the actual reality that gets diagrammed and mapped every day on sites like these is immutable and so…unfair!

for all the knashing of teeth and wailing pain in posts like yours, the men among us map and diagram a militaristic strategy around fixing an externalized problem, and the women of our world (male and female) spend their time lamenting how it makes them feel bad and how unfair it is that they even have to deal with it.

I am no enemy to “the actual reality that gets diagrammed and mapped every day,” as binary-minded bimbos of your ilk rush to assume.

I am an enemy to your mischaracterization of it as a truth so wicked only a select few amoral men can handle it — a mischaracterization that will lead to the implosion of everything you claim to advocate.

I am the true advocate, the one who understands the importance of extrapolating these phenomena out several generations, rather than just using them as some transparent excuse to declare to the internet how great and rare a specimen one is. Self-esteem run amok. The equivalent of the fat feminist “challenging” our perceptions of rank corpulence by unabashedly chowing down oreos on her blog. You’re both so cool you redefine coolness.

Here is a hint: those who accomplish do not have to promote themselves and therefore are disinclined to indulge the very thought of self-advertisement.

The only morality I can possibly conceive is one that has as its end-goal my personal desires.

I do not care about the species, its propagation or its wellbeing. The macro-consequences of my behaviour are of irrelevant proportions with respect their influence on my journey. Therefore I do not care about them.

The only reason to know the world is to find ways to hack into it for your own benefit. A person who lives life for others is a fool. Nobody will appreciate it, nobody will remember, and your life will have been for nothing.

Good is what helps you reach your goal. Evil is what sets you apart from it.

You are reporting results, not causes. Poverty, not race, breeds crime. Blacks are oppressed, hence their propensity to live in poverty and greater likelihood to be perps. Race – as in a genetic cause – has nothing to do with it. I am a conservative, but you do not represent me. Individual criminals should be punished. An entire race should not be held accountable for the wrongdoing of a minority. Instead of black bashing, why not try to improve their environment by attacking the root cause?
— iTHINKoutsideTHEbox

Poverty not race causes crime. Interesting. You might want to consider Appalachia. This region is probably the poorest in the country. However most of the counties are 90-95% white and have a very low crime rate. Look it up and tell me again how poverty causes crime.

> “You might want to consider Appalachia. This region is probably the poorest in the country. However most of the counties are 90-95% white and have a very low crime rate. Look it up and tell me again how poverty causes crime.”

Shit damn, that is like the most single common sensical thing that I’ve ever heard coming out of the mouf of a niggeress.

And she’s a switch hitter who’s down for some 3-way action?

I guess it’s a good thing that I didn’t meet her when she was younger, or else I might have spawned some little quadroon abominations by now.

@ Thwack ” No such thing as a poor white person” That comment clearly shows that you are either completely divorced from reality or willing to obviously lie at the drop of a hat.
@ Zombie Shane… When did I become a niggeress? Are you confusing me with someone else or trying to be intentionally insulting?

@ Thwack ” No such thing as a poor white person” That comment clearly shows that you are either completely divorced from reality or willing to obviously lie at the drop of a hat
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Get back to me after you ask a white person how much money they would need to be paid to trade places with you.

Evolutionarily, it’s not difficult to imagine why the constellation of personality traits known today as ‘antisocial personality disorder’ is preserved. These people would have been excellent nomads/pioneers; they’re adept at swindling resources, attracting mates, and their impulsive behavior in the past might have translated into travel and exploration and perhaps eliminating competitors without a second thought.

I actually think there are many people like this (these character traits are not binary but part of a spectrum) though obviously not nearly as extreme as the example provided. I have read statistics which indicate that 4% of the American population fits into the DSM (quack-book) description. Of course, even the most… especially the most ….psychopathic people are challenging to identify, at least initially.

[Psychopaths (psychopaths!) are] adept at swindling resources, attracting mates, and their impulsive behavior in the past might have translated into travel and exploration and perhaps eliminating competitors without a second thought.

Handicapped people crippled with antisocial personality disorders are adept at nothing so much as burning toast. They have an inability to master one of the most basic tasks of human life — connecting with the people around them. They can’t manage breakfast much less an empire.

For every “Stanley” there are a thousand low-IQ, fatherless felons eating their own shit on the street and in prison. You are attempting to valorize social retards.

Gathering and keeping “resources,” successfully “attracting mates” who will raise your issue properly, and “eliminating competitors” decisively (which often includes seducing them into alliance) are not made easier by being a headcase who literally cannot understand the motivations of the animated meat surrounding them. They do not pick up on social cues, they cannot be a master of all they survey — their environs are a permanent source of bafflement to their cross-wired brain.

You may all put down your copies of American Psycho now, which was written by a faggot with the film version directed by a woman.

Now, do women mistake this package of pathologies for “mysteriousness”? Of course they do. We are talking about not just dunderheaded and dream-easy bimbos, we are talking about such bimbos who also have been marinated in a bath of feminist confusion since they were zygotes darting to avoid mommy’s wire hanger.

Manliness is not sociopathy. That men are now taking their cue from this feminist understanding of masculinity is an indication how normal or natural even proclaimed enemies regard such advanced witcher-bitchery to be. There is no excuse for this destructive ignorance. Know your subject better.

Psychopathy is not autism. Psychopaths are typically great at picking up on social cues, and can easily form fake, one-sided “connections.” What they lack is emotion… the principle quality that holds back the typical guy from being a bold, aloof, uncaring alpha. CH is correct that psychopaths have an uncanny gift for seducing women.

I don’t dispute the psycho’s effect on women. I dispute the adoption of their behaviors as a worthwhile way for aspiring alphas to gain the very real psycho mojo — primarily because the debilitating, disordered downside is completely ignored in that analysis.

The social cues/emotion distinction you make is hair-splitting: being unable to pick up on social cues and being unable to understand the critical importance of social cues for making honest connections is a distinction without a difference. But I’m glad you brought it up. The psychopath is closer to the “sperg” and further from the lothario than this community is wont to admit.

Being “bold, aloof,” and detached is not a disorder! That the psychopath shares these traits with the alpha has little bearing on the advantage of the full package of psychopathy rightly understood. They are psychologically coincidental, and the distinctions outweigh the commonalities.

All of that said, and all things equal, the women who are damaged enough to take the bad with the good in psychopathic men should not be our measuring stick. Rather, we should inquire into how men adopt the positive traits (consciously directed boldness, aloofness, directness, detachment) without succumbing to the downward spiral brought on by the negative traits (the unconscious blind-spot for social dynamics and the laws of nature).

“Women and colored people don’t like IQ tests because white men tend to score higher. They refuse to believe IQ can be measured and evaluated.”

IQ tests are objective, get repeatable results, twins tend to score close to each other and the results are predictive of job performance, income and educational attainment. Next.

“Are you saying we have no way of telling who has a mental disorder?”

Saying someone has a “mental disorder” is like calling trigeminal neuralgia “facial pain disorder”. Pain is a symptom, not a disease. So are behaviour, emotion and mental contents. More useful to me are mental competency, mental acuity, mental fitness and sanity (capacity to form criminal intent).

If you can make objective tests sensitive and specific enough (i. e., set abnormal values with statistically insignificant number of false positives and false negatives), I have no problem calling schizophrenia a disorder (though I prefer calling it NMDA receptor hypofunction with third ventricle hypertrophy syndrome to naming it for a discredited theory of its aetiology).

There is one psychiatric diagnosis that can be disproven (or more like moved to a real medical domain): phantom limb pain. Once thought to be psychogenic in origin, caused by mourning and longing for the lost member, until specialists in a real pathologic competency discovered that the lumbar pain and and sensation nerves were still firing, causing the subjective experience of pain as well as proprioception, as if the limb were still there.

Just one more thing to add about schizophrenia (a condition that btw long-term insomnia and acute intoxication with certain stimiulants and “psychotomimetics” can produce reversible symptoms indistinguisable from): its locus and causation is in the brain (and possible genes or alleles), not the “mind”. Exactly the same as a previously taciturn and reserved man who develops an astrocytoma (particularly fast-growing brain cell tumour) and suddenly becomes hyper-talkative and has emotional outbursts and crying jags is not “mentally diseased”. He has a brain tumour.

i’ll say though, that its the ability to operate at both of the extremes and fringe that makes it work. zero emotions and nil fight/flight/freeze response one minute, and intensity of emotion that gives you the capacity to make a woman feel better than any other man could ever do the next, hitting on every emotional trigger.

ultimate push pull is how i describe it.

and psychopathy isn’t malevolent, although having the capacity to exert what force of will or violence you need to at the drop of the hat…..is valuable in every facet of your life, from personal to professional. it follows u.

and yes, men hate you. same as i hate mentally ill people. can’t read em.

The average man today is so boring as well – that these outliers who allow women the full gamut of emotions have become the new standard of attractiveness.

I don’t particularly enjoy BDSM in the bedroom, but when I compare the women with which I’ve slapped around and dominated (the norm for me these days) to the women with whom I had ‘regular’ sex, I find that the depth of attachment is profoundly greater after you’ve inflicted pain upon a woman.

yeah but i’ll also share that i need emotional stimulation before i can sleep with a girl more than they do. it’s like on or off, and i score 20/20 on the Hare test.

so i’m either totally shut off or totally engaged at the extreme. its not a roller coaster of emotions for a girl, it’s a ride in a fucking F-16. and yes, they are bored and will get addicted very quick.

As a psychopath myself, let me clear up a couple of things. Though maybe you have to be born with the capacity to become a psychopath, at some point, it is triggered. Stanley, at some point, entered into his own world.

Life to a psychopath is a game. All of it. If you were playing a computer game would you have trouble lying? Of course not. That is what life is to a psychopath, a game where there are no rules except for the rules of nature.

The last beauty who fell for me, (stunner, I know this is the internet and I’m a psychopath, but it is the truth) I have asked are the other guys you have been with like me? The answer she gave me, she turns to me and looks real serious, “No one is like you.”

The allure of the psychopath is that we are somewhat more similar to women in a way than to other men. Beauties and psychopaths find regular life tedious, boring, and unexciting. Psychopaths draw women in because they break the rules. Women don’t care what you say, its how you say it.

The most telling sign is how they wear their alleged “psychopathy” as a badge of honor.

Food for thought: Genuine psychopaths do not actually believe that they are psychopaths. They would, in fact, fervently deny such an accusation.

Time to clarify for the impressionable readership: psychopathy isn’t cool. Psychopathy makes you a worthless degenerate. Additionally, it’s something you’re either born with or that you develop in your early formative years. So if you’re in need of personal reformation… Try to aim a little higher.

The only thing I may have lied about was being a psychopath. I’ve never done any sort of test, but Stanley reminded me of myself. As for ‘faggot’, having lived in both America and Europe, it is peculiar to America this obsession with denying homosexuality and accusing it of others.

I think it has to do with the fact that nietzshe doesn’t get any-and neither do most American men and this is why this phenomena occurs. Or maybe nietzshe is a closet homo and he is projecting. I doubt that, but I consider it a possibility.

As for being a badge of honor, that’s certainly false. I hide my ‘psychopathy’ from everyone. With a lover though, they know you so intimately that they know your different. But, although some girls reject anything but the conformists, many beauties are drawn to uniqueness and unapologetic psychopaths. I admit I haven’t even bothered to look up the definition, so, sociopath may be more applicable, I could care less.

I don’t think psychopathy entails degeneracy. Most degenerates may be psychopaths, but I believe most great leaders were/are too. Obama certainly fits the mold, Genghis was said to be eccentric, I believe Putin has a certain quality of not giving a shit about middle class morality.

A lot of haters on here. A lot of guys, in my opinion, who don’t have a good sex life. Ironic considering this is a game blog.

I think it has to do with the fact that nietzshe doesn’t get any-and neither do most American men and this is why this phenomena occurs. Or maybe nietzshe is a closet homo and he is projecting. I doubt that, but I consider it a possibility.

Every psychopath knows they are a psychopath and feels superior to others (with good reason) even if they don’t know the word for it.

This humble psychopath stuff is crap.

The only reason to hide is consequences IRL, psychopaths are vain and proud. One well known sign of a psychopath in forums is people who post “First!”.

We are very careful about appearances IRL. You learn that after you open your mouth and people start hissing at you for the things you say (like now suckit jealous dorks) and you are sitting there wondering what you did even though it’s pretty funny when that happens. Slowly you have to learn the rules so you can say the things people want to hear and get along in the world.

I also have this crazy self preservation instinct the two psycho nutjobs above described (lol) with all the classic symptoms showing at an early age.

Some studies say it is linked to the warrior gene that manifests in 30% white, 70 odd percent black and 50 something percent of the asian population.

That should tell you something of why the white race is dying. Losers feeling sorry for other people and giving up their own self interest while other races have a much higher percentage looking out for their interests. Living for today, trying to “feel good” and be safe, that is for weaklings.

It’s so hard being a good little boy every day, sometimes I just want to take the mask off and say….

Merely asking her if other man she has dated are like you is a telling sign of insecurity. A real man would not ask, she’d just offer her opinion. You were hinting for compliments or to be told you are somewhat different or special. This wreaks of insecurity. I don’t believe you are a psychopath, surely psychopaths do not ask such questions? I don’t mean to offend you by this, it’s intended in the kindest way, though surely if you are a psycho you will not be offended?

i agree with this. im a caring person but as my internal frame control grows, so do my results, and i can compete with any ‘psycopath’ because my self-confidence is equal to his, and i probably outshine a ‘psycopath’ because i bring value, not bullshit. i have a close friend who is straight psycho, works at a casino, slays new poon almost every night, yet i get some of the hotties who rejected his crude boorishness, the ones who want a strong man, real man, that brings value. he resents but respects me, i keep him company on his crazy endeavors, but never stoop to his bizarre wannabe-epic charming escapades. i just smile while he makes a ruckus, and clean up after his mess.

not me. every interaction is cold read and tailored to her worldview in that moment and then constructed to fulfill her needs. every visually perceptible detail precisely cultured. clothes, grooming, all of it. but I never pay for a date either. this is how you keep a harem of 9+’s.

get bored, and ghost away then they chase. get bored again and back for another round. an f-16 ride of emotions and they LOVE it.

i love this degenerate society that allows this behavior and pisses of you neo-cons who can’t learn to just shut off your wayback machine.

Well don’t look at me, I spin a few woman, but it’s about the mental game for me more than the validation of getting laid. I’m a power hungry chess player, not a horny, or insecure, standard piece of flesh. Like a girl needs gina tingles, I need mental tingles, I need to know that I have complete mastery and control, I have no joy in Tyler Durden style hit & runs.

Women are natural psychopaths. They respect a fellow psychopath that they can be attracted to because he has a dick. They spend their lives at an emotional distance competing with their “friends” and other women, so the chance to surrender to an alpha male psychopath is irresistably attractive.

Individual utility maximization, game theory and all that, the psychopath’s methods are just rational decision making as taught in school. The weakness, though, is a lack of empathy. That’s why it’s a mental illness, a weakness.

Effective mental functioning, that allows one to achieve one’s goals, is not generally called pathology. The political and corporate leadership receive professional training in the techniques, typically in economics departments.

Twenty minutes after I told him about, maybe, 2%, of my ex-wife’s hijinks, he said, “You should never have any contact with her for any reason whatsoever.” Not so easy: she has my son.

So, moving on since we’re being so lighthearted, I ask:

Could someone start a dating agency for psychopaths? I would like Stanley to woo my ex-. One of the unacknowledged features of Stanley’s life is he’s a one-at-a-time psycho. His idea of serial monogamy might be two weeks, but he’s one-at-a-time. This public service for the 4% will describe, quickly, an extinction curve.

Sorry ZS, this is a response to your earlier post. That insanely hot nordic bitch from before? She had a prior litany of crimes against her Ex. This was a single point, a single topic, and in spite of my want to bang another Euro kid into her twice penetrated womb— I couldn’t imagine such absurdity/insanity. I wish I had a better ending where I banged her out, but, such is the wage of sin in our modern reality.

cue the easily impressionable who want to develop their psychopathic side.. maybe “ya” could do a long pc from the bus .. or gbfm ..well ..is there any doubt..he’s got psycho down cold in keyboard.. or scray ..cld give a field report after a night out clubbing with a machete dressed as a pirate..

Lol yep… Most of the dorks here who fancy themselves “psychopaths” aren’t the genuine article. Not even close. It’s mostly just a bunch of impressionable poseurs/dejected omegas who’ve gone full retard in their attempts to reform themselves, having their own little dick measuring contest (exhibit A: tikikum). Not unlike the difference between the trained monkeys of the manosphere (PUAs) and legit alphas/naturals.

and these same people will mock the idea that a true man of God is an Alpha or that Game and Christianity are compatible. Just look at the Muslim men marrying white girls who leave their families to live like hermits. These men do not give in. they dont care if their beliefs are unpopular or they’re not “cool”. They know what they say and do is the truth , and whether theyre right or not is irrelevant to them and their purposes.
Cult leaders feed their followers pure nonsense and get the same results.

Speak your truth and be a Man. WHat sort of man is up to you.

Idolizing psychopaths and flamboyant feminine males is no way to live. These articles posted here are reminders and serve only to elaborate upon the points being made by the author of this site..whoever that is now……………………………………..

When you are sitting on the bus or are having a coffee at a McDonald do you know which of the people around you cheat on their wives/husband, which ones have just stolen something, which ones have just molested a child, which ones are planning their own suicide?

The internet is a thousand times more anonymous than those places ( well… for those of us who do not have the NSA’s power ), why is it impossible that some of the people here are psychopaths?

For the record; I am definitely not a psychopath, unfortunately I tend to be too nice to women, well in fact to everyone…

This is illogical crap, nowhere in the psychopath description is dick size specified.

There are “natural” alphas, and then there are those who “learn” it which is really more like unlearning a bunch of social crap they were taught, since anyone with a dick is most comfortable in the alpha role.

That’s why women think betas are insincere (even when they are sincere) and alphas are sincere (even when they are Stanley.)

Or at least that a beta’s sincerity doesn’t matter, since said beta won’t be able to put his intentions into effect. That’s not so true these days in our structured society, but this assumption is hardwired into her jeans (and also genes.)

“It’s one thing when a women thinks a man is a creeper. In that case the man may very well be a decent human being that she just finds unattractive. When men think a man is a creeper chances are he is a creeper.”

Sounds like Stanley was a mid-functioner.
The high-functioners of the world are people like Bill Clinton. The low-functioners are either in jail or out killing small animals.

They say psych-abuse by a Socio/Narcissist/Psycho parent can make it happen in their children. -Along with brain-injury near the forehead; particularly the PFC.

Cult-Messiah is your basic profile. That, and a complete absence of all the human-laws you learn about in church.

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@CH: Yes, current go-grrl hookup-culture without past societal constructs will be like chum in the dating-waters to the Stanleys of the world.

…And because a climate of injustice+de-humanization is what creates many psychos in the first place, the go-grrl-hooker-uppers might just be mutating a bigger % of them out of the ordinary manfolk-stock.

After-all, what is it the historians say about Revolutions? They eat their children.

If you don’t have empathy and do stuff randomly because you don’t know the situation around you, you’re going to get caught, locked up in a psychiatric hospital, they’ll study you and classify you in the DSM. Hence, the identified illness “psychopathy” involves a lack of empathy. This is something like stupidity.

If you have empathy and reasonable intelligence, you won’t get caught nor even break that many rules technically, and so you will never get locked up and studied.

Also highlights our perverse justice system that carries out slow punishments to the point that they’re ineffective and unjust to everyone. These monsters ought to be hung in the town common on a Saturday during lunch hours so everyone can see what happens to evil men, ESPECIALLY the children. They should be taken from the courthouse to the gulag, do not pass go, do not eat a last meal. Manson and Ramirez were basically rewarded for their murders with a full lifetime of conjugal visits (sexual rewards for murder), free meals and shelter.

Do you know how many desperate, not famous psychopaths there are randomly reaching out to women they see in a news article, trying to spark a romance? “I just saw your picture and want to tell you are beautiful”. I know two women who randomly received love overtures from strangers in prison. Far, far more common.

Now that every female dysfunction is celebrated by our feminist/leftist culture, having gina tingles for psychopaths/serial killers is not something women are ashamed of or that they are concealing anymore.

I think it is possible women have always been that way, but it is also possible the present (insane) culture might also be reinforcing this trait in women.

No, I think he’s substantially correct. The effective parts of psychopathy are taught in universities in courses called “microeconomics”, but empathy is extremely useful in knowing the situation. A psychopath with empathy is called a high achiever.

I don’t know how to explain the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world, but they are rare. Charles Manson was effective, I suspect he may have had empathy (he knew what he was doing to others) but not sympathy (but he did not care.)

That book was so bad I actually threw it in the garbage 100 pages in. Terrible writing, terrible plot, terrible sex, just…unreadable. Awful.

I think the lesson to take away from the success of that book isn’t that women love psychopaths. It’s that 70 million women out there apparently haven’t ever read anything other than the back of a Cheerios box before in their lives.

Trust me, Canadian Friend, your English-as-a-second-language writing style is far easier and more pleasant to parse than E.L. Whatsherfuck’s. Your English is excellent. Every so often, you’ll come out with a construction that is not incorrect, per se, but is kind of odd…and those are recognizably French grammatical constructions with English verbiage. (Once upon a time, I spoke some French, but we moved away from the Canadian border and I’m very rusty now.)

Of course you threw it in the garbage, you are not the typical woman; you hang out here at CH!

I read an article a few years ago ( the link might be in my hundreds of bookmarks in my old PC) in which it was revealed that studies show that women buy mostly books about…women!
and mostly fiction. ( I think it was 80% )

while men buy books about many different topics from history, geography, philosophy to learning how to fix things and they buy less fiction than women.

The average woman has little scientific or intellectual curiosity, no matter how free women are to chose they tend to choose “girlie” things

No patriarchy is keeping women from contributing to Wikipedia yet only a tiny – microscopic – percentage of women do

No one is keeping women from studying engineering and “rocket science”, yet only a tiny percentage of women do

Most political blogs are written by men and most people who post opinions and debate in the comment sections are men

and so on and so forth

Men and women are very different, the more feminists try to disprove this the more it is obvious and undeniable.

Fifthy shades of Grey’s insane success contradicts feminists and slaps them in the face!

Very few are killers and some are capable of feeling to some degree. However most have what they call “anti-social” tendencies.

For instance I have always laughed when people talk about loving their family or kids, to me that sounds stupid but over time I’ve learned to mimic human feelings to get places.

I do have deep feelings about other things, music for instance. I don’t care about people but I wouldn’t hurt a deer. I have punch a strangers in the face over an insult without the slightest adrenaline or anger. I did it for fun.

It is also a spectrum condition similar to autism – not on or off but a matter of degrees.

Psychopaths and betas are like the gutters on each side of a bowling lane. Try to avoid outright throwing your ball straight into either gutter. But, man, if you can throw a nice curve that goes right up to the edge then curves back into a powerful strike, that’s gina-money!

Fuckin eh. And let’s remember that the ridiculous behavior of Tyler Durden gets him laid left and right. But this is not behavior you should emulate. This is not the behavior of men who raise families and build civilization. This is the behavior of teenage girls.

Yes it will get you laid. But a lot of dumb shit gets you laid. Its irrelevant and acting against your gut just for a few minutes of pleasure is not what a Man does.

Bullshit. I don’t know about you but when I’m out gaming I’m not “acting against my gut”. When I think about how I may want to marry someday, that’s when my gut starts churning, cause I know that its a serious danger zone what with hypergamy, American women, etc.

I don’t see how your typical corporate beta drone with a shabby wife is building civilization, more like keeping it on life support while the real men plunder and pillage.

what youre not getting is that acting this way is not, alpha man. you’re not a fucking alpha male because you dance like a monkey and some dumb young thing sucks your cock, brother.

what you idiots are not understanding is that the alpha males of the world are dropping the ball like you all are. this is a fucking cultural death man and we’re RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. Im outta here.

> “because they have husbands in the house who can remind them of the difference between right and wrong”

And probably the very fact that they are even married in the first place would tend to imply that, as little girls, they came from intact families with fathers who taught them the difference between right and wrong.

I hope everyone reading doesn’t need to be told that in the end, a true psychopath such as the one in this article, should be killed immediately upon realization that said person is truly a psychopath prepared to drop or kill you when it suits him,

There have been enough studies about them. it’s not time to simply kill them or use them for dangerous espionage.

1. Someone who can control his emotions to achieve ends, even if it’s “moral” emotions like empathy. These are your high achievers, you CEOs, politicians, military strategists, etc.

2. Someone who can’t perceive emotions even if he wanted to. These are the guys who cut open live squirrels for fun when they were children.

One is intelligence, the other is a mental disorder.

The left intentionally blurs distinction between the two. It’s their way of pathologizing and demonizing people who don’t conform their morals-first beliefs. This is why when a liberal is cornered with logic, they resort to calling you a sociopath.

The rest of us should know better. Think it over before you label yourself or someone else a psychopath. Do you never feel anything for any reason? Does being mean those few times make you a psychopath? You want to be devious and successful, not clinically ill.

This was the opinion of the author of The Mask of Sanity. The other case studies are worth reading. When you see the same patterns our host is ostensibly praising exhibited in sad sacks and at least one woman, it becomes more difficult to think of Stanley as being alpha.

1. Someone who can control his emotions to achieve ends,
even if it’s “moral” emotions like empathy. These are your high achievers, you CEOs, politicians, military strategists, etc.

This is not a disorder. The furthest thing from. It is the very definition of manliness. The emphasis is on the self-mastery which liberates, as opposed to the self-indulgence which enslaves (hedonism).

Now is manliness considered a “disorder” in this world of Title IX, nappy-headed Cheerio babies, and women’s suffrage? Of course it is.

There’s your enemy, there’s its ideological vulnerability, there’s the target to focus your efforts on: reteac the world that self-mastery, violence, directness, strength, honor, and glory are not the enemies of civilization, as the harpies say, but rather its very building blocks.

Of course being a race realist I don’t like it, but I did not know on top of the ” replacing the white race is cool!” embedded message there was a ” spineless fathers being manipulated by 5 year old girls is cute!” message as well.

The people who made that ad managed to be both anti-white race and anti-male without including white males to be laughed at ( as in 95% of tv ads), they have refined their “art”, yet obtain the same results;

white race= bad and should be replaced.

males = stupid and should be manipulated and used by females.

The little girl is also chubby, that too is suspicious…with all those feminists working 24/7 to convince everyone we should find 300 pound women beautiful, anyone believe the fact the little girl is chubby is a coincidence?

Feminism, anti-white racism/race replacement, fat acceptance, manipulating men…everything but the cereal is promoted in that ad.

Agree wholeheartedly with Neitzsche on this one, and as CH has pointed out – another indicator that society is well on its inexorable slide into oblivion. Consider what Dawkins has to say when the “hawk” (pyschopath) genes become too prevalent in a population.

Of course, in an animal population, this would simply result in more dovish (beta?) genes propogating, however our population is inflated by the virtues of mechanisation and cohesiveness of society. Take away that cohesiveness with large proportionos of pyschopathy and what do you have?

I get a rush out of killing small game (mostly fishing) and once helping a farmer relative kill a pig. But the kill has to be fast and as painless as possible — seeing cruelty or suffering give me a feeling that’s the exact opposite of pleasure. Fish: cut the head off fast. Some sportsmen let captured fish suffocate in a waterless bucket. I don’t do that. The pig was killed by being bled; it may not have even felt pain.

There’s a big difference an ethical hunt and psychopathy, regardless of what the PETArds say. I have yet to meet a hunter who does not actively seek to make his or her prey’s end as swift and painless as possible.

I don’t know how it is for you, but the “rush” I get from hunting—powerful and primal as it is—is tempered by a bittersweet moment of empathy for the animal I’ve downed. Occasionally I’ll even drop a tear or two for the critter, and I’ve heard a couple of male hunters admit (after a drink or three) that they do the same.

Not “almost.” They are. The modern conservation movement was started by Teddy Roosevelt, to preserve not just our wild spaces, but the animal populations therein. That’s why we now have more whitetail deer in this country than we did in 1850.

I’m not saying I haven’t felt some sympathy at times, but the joy of hunting is pretty much every time. With lower animals especially (birds for instance,) it’s not like I want them to feel to pain, but killing one quickly is more about skill and the probability of finding it.

Maybe I’m messed up, or maybe everyone you know is just lacking of any realistic experience. Or they just want to fit in.

“An amoral person, whose amorality is perhaps developmentally hardwired, who can’t empathize with the suffering of others and for whom others exist solely as instruments of his pleasure… can this person be described as anything but a demon in human form?”

The scariest thing is not the “woman-led” relationship where he doesn’t know if his kid is his. The scariest thing is the article on page 2 where some grandmother poked holes in her son’s condoms, and wondered if she should ever tell him how his wife ended up pregnant.

I’ve been on the receiving end of that treatment. It sucks when you go pick up your wife at work because she passed out, and all the women there are babbling about how she’s pregnant, and you’re like no, can’t be. They all knew she was pregnant, because she TOLD them she was going to get pregnant.

Ugly, fat, and a BITCH I did, in fact, used to call SWMBO up until a few years ago. It’s nice having my balls at long last.

Not soon enough. That kid is 17 now. I wonder how long my marriage will last past her 18th birthday.

Heh, sounds like this poor victim of mental disease had a great deal of fun during the progress of his illness. It also sort of shows where a theory like Szasz’s “the myth of mental illness” comes from.

“One can but marvel that Stanley, and only Stanley, of
all the men she had known, could give her this invincible impression of
sincerity in personal love and make it convincing time after time despite the
repeated and trenchantly disillusioning contradictions demonstrated so vividly
and so painfully, and sometimes brutally, by his conduct.”

As one of the sages put it, the secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you’ve got it made.

It would be rather interesting to be a fly on the wall while he was going on and analyze the details of how he was so remarkably persuasive. Bottled charisma. Perhaps the world is lucky Stanley also was so disorganized and didn’t go into let’s say politics. (I imagine those familiar with the UK can see some similarities between Stanley and Revd Paul Flowers.)

Also, unless he met with misfortune, Stanley might still be alive today.

I was thinking more of a form of “patient-as-malingerer”, that is, was Stanley really incapable of not ripping off his parents over and over, etc, or just unwilling? But with that said, I’m hardly an expert in the field.

Saying it’s a category error to call pain a disease is not the same thing as saying pain doesn’t exist.

You are contradicting your relativism above. There you give undue authority to dorks in lab coats as having the official or final say on what constitutes a “disorder.” Here you don’t split hairs so much about the relevance of declaring something a “disease.” It’s an academic or even semantical exercise, sophistry above wisdom.

DSM definitions be damned: does the condition diverge from what we all would recognize as a put-together, non-abnormal, well-adjusted man? In other words, the ordered soul? You want to seize the authority of declaring what constitutes “normal” (and deconstructing it) rather than rely, as we always have, on the wisdom of the preponderance of our aggregated senses. Postmodern claptrap.

You misread me if you think I endorse voting to put disorders into and delist them from diagnosis manuals. Distinction i make is, one set of the white coated dorks have objective criteria and another doesn’t. No three neurologists, neurosurgeons and/or neuropathologists are going to disagree on a diagnosis of glioblastoma. Other conditions might be more difficult to diagnose but a T4 test is a T4 test. Compare oppositional defiance disorder or borderline personality. Essentially two different people subjectively interpreting two different clinical interviews.

I wish only to demedicalise, not deconstruct. Much medical psychiatric treatment continues to be barbaric and most of the drugs neurodestructive.

It is the same dorks in labcoats that are responsible (without evidence) for taking homosexuality out of the DSM as the ones who put it in as the ones who put it in in the first place (also without evidence). They were idiots both times. Typical “priestly” behaviour.and it has nothing to do with any “truth”. (BTW, they are buzzing now about making “racism” a disorder. They will give drugs against it that induce entonoia (my coinage; pathological opposite of paranoia).

Scientific statements should be falsifiable. Religious statements don’t have to be. Get the distincition?

Other case studies from the book show the same basic pattern, but cannot as easily be wrangled into laudability.

Anna:

When Anna sought some new job with which to occupy herself or to enter some course of training, she seemed to have no hesitation in giving as references those who had no choice except to describe her as entirely unreliable and unfit for what she planned.

…

On numerous occasions Anna made difficulties for herself by driving off in cars that belonged to teachers or other school employees. Only once, or possibly twice, during her teens does it appear she had serious intentions of stealing the car for permanent possession. On the other hand, there were periods when she frequently stole underwear, stockings, and ornaments (usually inexpensive costume pieces or club pins) from other students and even from those in authority.

While at the university, for a time she fell into the sporadic practice of relieving her dates of small amounts of cash she discovered in their pockets during heavy petting. Under such circumstances she also, but more rarely, took a pocketknife or a bunch of keys. At one finishing school where personal dignity among the faculty was emphasized, she is said to have lost her place as a student by neatly lettering on the door of the office of the sedate Latin instructress a concise advertisement:

Hot p____ available here-cheap!

…

During an interval in which she had no further trouble with the faculty, Anna alienated and outraged several girls in the dormitory with whom she had been very friendly. After a few bottles of beer which the group had shared, she entered the rooms occupied by two of these friends and, in their absence, urinated on several evening dresses which they highly valued. (After the act she refolded the dresses neatly and put them back, sodden and malodorous, in the drawers.) It was a number of days before evidence emerged that unmistakably connected Anna with this deed.

…

On her return after the weekend she seemed surprised to find her father still there and at first expressed vexation with him. He never learned just what misadventures befell his daughter, who had apparently roamed about in a large city nearby. She took all the discussion of her recent acts with equanimity, apologized for her mistakes, and admitted that it was quite inexpedient to bring off such deceptions when it was apparent to her they would certainly and promptly be discovered. She said she did not know precisely why she had acted in such a plainly injudicious way, but she never seemed curious or really concerned about the possibility of discovering a reason for the behavior.

…

Occasionally during her early thirties, but also a few times since, Anna had engaged in a pastime known in some circles as gangbanging. There were minor variations of procedure. Usually drinks with five or six men, whom she might pick up in one of the less inviting honky-tonks or frolic spots about town, constituted the first phase. Later the group rode out into the country and all her companions had sexual relations with her, each taking his turn. On such an exploit, argument once arose about whether or not she had stolen a cigarette lighter belonging to an escort, and the group, uniting against her, threw Anna in a creek and then drove off, leaving her to walk home.

…

Without claiming there is anything demonstrable or profoundly explanatory in such an appraisal, I would give these impressions. It is unlikely that she experienced (in what can reasonably be called ordinary awareness) much of the emotion that we associate with the various deeds she has carried out. In both quantity and quality her emotions, I believe, have regularly fallen short of the affect we almost automatically assume must prompt, accompany, or follow such actions as hers. Though appearances of emotion were sometimes impressive in Anna, it seems probable that these were chiefly facsimiles of actual feeling, an automatic and undesigned mimicry. Though she had vexations and minor satisfactions and though she could at times get mad and could be a little fond of people, Anna never really seems to have meant much harm to others
or to herself.

Occasionally… Anna had engaged in a pastime known in some circles as gangbanging… On such an exploit, argument once arose about whether or not she had stolen a cigarette lighter belonging to an escort, and the group, uniting against her, threw Anna in a creek and then drove off, leaving her to walk home.

I lol’d. Psychopath or not, some past the wall washed up old whore making herself available for a gang bang better not steal somebody’s cigarette lighter, because a Bic truly is worth more than she is. Bad whorebag, into the creek you go!

Both Stanley and Anna, while apparently intelligent enough to attend university, appear to not be very bright, and to have extremely short time orientation. (“Pathologically short” could be the right term.)

“It is unlikely that she experienced (in what can reasonably be called ordinary awareness) much of the emotion that we associate with the various deeds she has carried out. In both quantity and quality her emotions, I believe, have regularly fallen short of the affect we almost automatically assume must prompt, accompany, or follow such actions as hers. Though appearances of emotion were sometimes impressive in Anna, it seems probable that these were chiefly facsimiles of actual feeling, an automatic and undesigned mimicry.”

So she failed the Turing test, one might say. Yet since emotions also normally provide motivation to act, I wonder what’s really going on inside their heads. They seem active enough, right?

“…Anna engaged in a pastime known as gangbanging…drinks with 5 or 6 men…less inviting honky-tonks…Later…her companions all had sexual relations with her,each taking his turn.” thwack: “Anna? Oh Anna you made a man outta me–I LOVE YOU!!!”

[The allure of the psychopath is that we are somewhat more similar to women in a way than to other men.]

Yes, in large part because average women are more psychopathic than average men, and therefore average men are perceived by average women as sentimental wimps, with disgust.

Let’s say that the pyschopathy range is 1 to 10, and the human average is 5.5, then most men probably are 4-5 and most women are probably 6-7. Note that I am not saying that average women are full psychopathic monsters, just more psychopathic than average men, let’s say around a standard deviation more, and mostly medium or even high functioning. But since they have the all precious womb they get a womb-pass even if they are low functioning psychopaths.

Probably this is because of good evobio reasons. For example men need to be able to work in teams and to build trust within work teams. Many anthropologists note that men evolved as group cursorial hunters. Women instead probably need to protect their womb and their children, ruthlessly and coldly, sacrificing anybody else to that priority, especially men whom they consider livestock. Women tend to be ruthless and mistrusting against other women too, unless directly genetically related (parents, daughters). BTW anthropologists never mention that women never were group cursorial hunters, a very big difference from men.

[Beauties and psychopaths find regular life tedious, boring, and unexciting. Psychopaths draw women in because they break the rules. Women don’t care what you say, its how you say it.]

For evobio reasons most women also value creativity in men, secondarily to being at least as psychopathic as they are; but psychopaths are not creative, they are just random.

{{The truth is women are just bored.}}

No, they mostly need someone at least as psychopathic as they are, as least as a stud, a sperm donor. Instead they get but despise a realiable wimpy sentimentalist as resource donor, as a donkey, to invest in raising their children (ideally genetically the children of a stud).

But they like psychopaths for another, accidental reason. For what are probably evobio reasons women’s most important metric for a man (once he has shown he is psychopathic enough) is his popularity with other, hotter, women, because this is an indication of how valuable he is in general.

Problem is, women don’t know how directly popular a man really is with other, hotter, women. So their instinct is instead to evaluate his popularity indirectly, by noticing how detached he is in dealing with them: because the instinctive assumption is that if he is very keen on her then probably he has few other women or they are not as hot as her, while if he is willing to fuck her but detached then probably he has a lot more women and they are hotter than her.

Put another way, women are most attracted to the man who can be barely bothered to pump-and-dump them (an uncaring asshole), as he must be the most popular man they can aim to have sex with, and psychopaths obviously give them that feeling very strongly.

“China’s booming mistress class means it’s harder than ever for the country’s surplus of young men—a result of the soon-to-be-amended one-child policy and traditional favoritism for boys—to find wives. By 2030, projections suggest that more than a quarter of Chinese men in their late 30s will never have married. This only increases the pressure on young men in China to produce and demonstrate material wealth, the priority in young women’s minds when it comes to finding a mate.

The trend also puts traditional values, already weakened by China’s rapid transformation and the rise of materialistic culture, under further strain. The reality of today’s China is so far at odds with the ideology of communism and the government’s preoccupation with “building a harmonious society” that many Chinese can’t help but lose faith in traditional ideology and values in favor of the cold, hard logic of money.”

Translation: hordes of disillusioned, sexually disenfranchised Chinese betas are going to take the red pill and maybe even graduate to psychopath game.

“Iris (name has been changed) has become one such “status symbol.” A 20-year-old female college student in Shanghai, Iris grew up in a dusty rural town in China’s interior. In addition to her school work and hanging out with her classmates, she now dates a 40-year-old, somewhat successful, and married man. They met at a karaoke outing, and he took her out to a candlelit Italian dinner on their first date. She appreciates the material benefits their relationship gives her: Her boyfriend gives her attention and monthly spending money, takes her shopping, and sends a car service to pick her up after classes.

Iris has no disillusions about their relationship. She says she doesn’t envision a future together, and called their breakup “inevitable.” However, she is equally pessimistic about the prospects of a relationship with man her own age, who she describes as “knowing nothing and needing attention all the time.” “I might as well have a pampered experienced with someone who has the material means to open my eyes and expand my horizons,” she says.

Iris gets material possessions she covets; her lover gets the company of a young, beautiful women and the appearance of material success. Outwardly, they both look happy. So what’s the problem?

…

Iris, too, is living in the moment. “When I see him, I feel like his woman,” she says. “When I’m not with him, I don’t think about it. I don’t think about him or our future. I am just experiencing life.””

The “cold, hard logic of money” can’t buy the tingles that alpha generates for free.

Wrong. Invade South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, kill all the men, take the women. SOME Oligarch will make that his battle cry to upend the others and rule like Mao.

Theres no women because so many of the girls have been adopted out to America. The Chinese dudes will immigrate here–thanks to faggot David Boehner and Ultra Blood Drinking Jew Chuck Schumer–and meet up with the now grown and hot sexy Chinese girls. They will combine in the harmony they would have had if these shrivelled pin dick commies hadnt come up with their moronic one child policy. Of course well off well fed well ejumacated Chinee girls may not be anxious to spread their athletic legs for the greenhorn engineering student from ChingChong…so,hookers!

Google “leftover ladies”. Because of the male surplus women assume they can pick and choose the best. But there aren’t enough men with money and apartments to go round. So many women who are themselves self-supporting choose to remain single rather than marry beneath them. It’s regarded as a major social problem in China.

Patrick Bateman: I live in the American Gardens Building on W. 81st Street on the 11th floor. My name is Patrick Bateman. I’m 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I’ll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

Ellis may have been a fag, but the subtext of his work was always disgust at the shallowness, status-whoring, and materialism of the society around him. Less than Zero is very similar to Am. Psycho in this regard. The Protagonists in both works are not admirable in any way, and Ellis intends it that way. By the end they both realize that they are stuck forever in their empty existence (the last line of Am. Psycho is “this is not an exit”). Am. Psycho is a parody of yuppie culture, not some treatise on the perfect man

It’s not his fault that some spergie retards latch onto Patrick Bateman as a role model.

Well done, sir. Was wondering when this study would get le Chateau treatment. It’s been kicking around for decades. I’d think of Stanley as a sociopath rather than psychopath, since his crimes were fairly modest.

On the same topic, just finished reading the new book, “Manson.” Fascinating, especially post-red pill.

It was a marvel that this low-grade con man, 5’4″ and scrawny, not too bright, was able to create this cult of gushing poon. And these weren’t all scraggly lice-ridden hoes, either. Some of the women were gorgeous. Ruth Ann Morehouse and Leslie Van Houten were hard 8s.

These women killed for him. And would again, most likely.

It is enough to make one despair, or, given the pliable nature of women to an alpha presence, hope. Might FOR right, after all …

what, you dudes think anything would get done if everybody were a borg collective of ward cleavers? all our bizarre mental conditions evolved for a reason, they can all be useful. the only one that really trips me out is, what would you call it, universal empathy maybe. that one that makes you give a shit about starving african children and mexican dirt farmers even though youre an affluent white man.

It’s an excess of empathy, which is necessary or everyone would be a psychopath and society would break down. Psychopaths have the advantage, but too many and society collapses because everyone is trying to game the system. So it’s a dynamic equilibrium, and mental illnesses are often excesses of useful traits. Sometimes the line between mental illness and extreme traits is quite thin, and its position depends on the surrounding society. Genghis Khan would probably have wound up in jail nowadays.

The Conquistadors were flawed, veteran soldiers out of the Med, but psychopaths or sociopaths they were not. They had immense courage and often surprising compassion for the Indians they encountered, by the standards of the day. They sincerely wanted to save their souls from damnation as they saw it. Don’t judge them by the basis of a Starbucks latte line.

About as silly as thinking that having your wealth confiscated to pay for the military and drone aircraft to kill “brown people” half a world away, support and incentivise children whose parents are organically incapable of providing for them (reducing your ability to care for your own) and Waco style raids on farmers selling raw milk might not be in your best interest.

What the hell good is feminism if it strips away the exterior, cultural protections women once enjoyed but offers them no personal, internal methods to keep themselves safe? We were victims before? Fuck that. This shit is what’s made us victims.

By Tribe you mean Christians of course. None more Christian than William Blake, and his patroness Mary Wollstonecroft, mother of Mary Wollstonecroft Shelley. Who married the poet at 17 already carrying his child. Indeed Christianity is the birthplace of Feminism and why it was adopted so eagerly. You’ve obviously never been in sales. You can’t sell a guy what he doesn’t already want.

Exactly right. And women have been voting for it and demanding it in droves.

Conventional marriage is a woman’s defense against this. Social strictures keep her to her vows to the man she married, who was willing to make the longterm commitment, and out of the hands of the connivers.

Now we guys all have to learn the habits of the connivers. So hey, women generally asked for it.

Why don’t you round up your “sisters” and get some effective movement going to reverse the legal aspects of feminism, i.e. your legal advantages that prevent men from taking the traditional role without undue risk.

But the fact is women simply aren’t interested in reality. There is nothing external; there are no real-world consequences; there is nothing that can hurt them if they do not wish it. I’d call it pathological, but I think it’s a hardwired feature of the female brain. Like, war bride syndrome, but applied to everything.

This is where the hamster comes from, I think.

OT, but I’ve got a female acquaintance who’s decided that she’s a trans male. Which is almost certainly… not her primary issue. She’s got a shit relationship with her dad and brother, she’s depressed, she’s been into weird gay porn since she was a pre-teen, and she spends too much time role-playing boys on the Internet. She’s also into guys.

She thinks she can transition, find a nice partner, adopt kids, and generally, live life exactly as she would as a woman, but you know, just as a man. Which is so naive I can’t even begin to wrap my head around it. She can’t get out of her fantasies long enough to face the reality of what she’s proposing.

It’s classic female reality-denial. Her hamster, on a rampage. Which should be enough to prove to her that she’s not a man. But since one of the features of the hamster is that it will never recognize the fact it exists, there’s not much I can do to help her. It’s sad.

“Some folks seem to think that the quickest way to lifelong allyship status is to just date all the people who resemble those that one claims to exist in solidarity with. Anti-racist? Date all the POC (People Of Color)! And be sure to do so exclusively and with no analysis whatsoever about fetishism, exotification, or the ways your white body might be interrupting POC space! Cuz, hey, you’re an ally and stuff. Right? Ew.”

I’ve always been intrigued about how often the loony far left and religious far right come to the same exact conclusion for different, equally ridiculous reasons.

Tampons are a source of oppression, so feminists quit using them: That by letting it run freely, is the way nature intended us to deal with our monthly.

Damn right it’s how nature intended them to deal with their monthly. Waaaay away from the hearth, hidden in a cave far away from everyone until they’re over that shit.

Combining that idea, I have a friend who ranted at me the other day, “I have a friend whos new fiance has 3 kids by 3 men and apparently is such a bad parent that the CPS and judges dont find her fit as a woman to take care of any of them…..the last baby almost died and is said to not live past 4 because of a herpes infection she caught bar hopping while pregnant and refused to take prenatal care, her liver is damaged beyond repair and the virus wont allow for a transplant. That bitch drank and smoked the whole time she was pregnant and he wouldn’t say a fucking word to her”

A lot of betas here give psychopathic guys shit but you have to realize that the other gender isn’t that much better.

I remember reading a forum where a man famous in the sociology field made a AMA. He said that more than 70%+ of girls in today’s society are sociopaths. Not the 50% that’s being claimed in the mainstream media. He said this is one of the big secrets that sociologist all over keep hush hush. Kind of like IQ by race.

Demystifying bitches is the first step to enlightenment from the clutches of these predatory sluts.

Why? Why do you need solid proof?
The cheating isn’t what’s wrong, it’s how you feel — that’s what you hate. So, regardless of whether she’s cheating, she’s still making you feel shitty. Put a stop to it. Put her in her fucking place, go fuck another girl, or just peace out.

There really isn’t a point to it. Most girls are already getting some on the side, especially if you bore her in your “relationship”. Here’s some signs to watch out for given by a great book:

-You return home after a brief trip to find her acting strange and distant.
-She is often lost in thought and wants to take classes or get a job.
-She openly flirts with other men.
-She brazenly suggests that you buy her some expensive item.
-She loudly breaks wind while dining with your parents or when sleeping with you.
-She is constantly with her relatives or friends, ignoring you.
-She is increasingly unavailable to do what you want to do.
-She asks, in a way suggesting approval, if you are sleeping with anyone else.

Nowadays, especially amongst young women, they have about 2-3 cocks they keep in rotation. I remember banging this one chick at her dorm and she had her phone right on the nightstand by me. I banged her so well she went fast asleep in a couple of minutes.

I saw the notification light flicking on the phone so i figured, “eh, fuck it.” She had a password but luckily, it was one of those simple pattern passwords. She always did a triangle when she grabbed her phone so I figured that was it. Nailed it.

Anyway, I went to the text messages and goddamn….

This bitch had messages up the ass and with the Tinder app right on the fucking home menu button. It’s a huge red flag in general if she has the Tinder app but damn, right by contacts and messages?

What was crazy was she had just banged a guy the day before in his car and she was planning on meeting a new one tomorrow.

Appreciate the reply. I know what I say will flow right through most of you here (“I’mafag!”), but seriously, not all women are ladyboys in dresses. A non-ladyboy who’s in love with you is something I’ve never experienced. But I suppose naturally much of the readership here are heterosexual, and they’re more likely to bone real women instead of delicious ladyboys. Still, it’s true that no one is safe from being cheated on by a giant hermaphrodite with a gerbil and an insertion tube.

I got bored and got on OKC briefly. The only response I got to any of my messages was a “transgendered” person suffering from “body dysmorphia” who was looking for a “serious relationship” and “only wanted to cuddle” and didn’t want to hook up, “because I made that mistake and am over all that.”

Wow, just wow. Well at least it has the female gender role down pat. It realizes it is on a dating site populated entirely by loser beta males, and it only wants to cuddle, because betas, ewwww.

All women are going to sometimes find other men appealing. If you are confident she is lucky to have you, then be proactive about it. Make it clear, that if you catch her cheating, no amount of apologizing, crying, begging or pleading is going to win you back. That’s the best you can do, after that, if she’s going to cheat, she doesn’t care about you.

[CH: Some women are more prone to cheating than others, but every woman is capable of it. The best defense is a good alpha in her life, that’s about the crux of it.]

Sociopathy and psychopathy may be nothing more than a adaptation by the male brain to deal with women who have always been naturally amoral. Think, what gets most beta males chewed up and spit out by women? Too much empathy and emotion that causes them to fail shit tests and come off as feminine by women. Beta males have too much empathy for women and their reproductive goals. Such a man will be taken advantage of and will never pass on his genes far and wide and that disgusts women. They don’t see the point in giving birth to a son who isn’t concerned about himself first and foremost, because such a son will not pass on her genes very much.

So, now enters the sociopath who passes shit tests with ease. Not so much because he has options, but because he naturally only cares about his own approval and satisfying his own reproductive goals. He cant be taken advantage of as any woman who cuckolds him will cause her and her bastard spawn to face violent repercussions or abandoned without hesitation. Instead, he is the one screwing over women and stepping on their reproductive goals to pass on his genes far and wide at their expense. He doesn’t care for society’s rules that are made to protect weaklings, and he does what he wants and takes as he pleases. He doesn’t fear other men nor is he concerned about consequences. By the time he is in prison or dead he has most of the time already passed on his genes more than most beta males ever will in a short period of time.

Let’s combine this with the theory that sociopathy may be caused by excess testosterone in the womb that wires it for systemizing instead of empathy, and you reach the conclusion that sociopaths are probably just men who have extremely masculine brains. And, in a world where women are not only free to practice their hypergamy, but force weaker feminine men to pay for it as well, it’s easy to see why women want sociopathic sons.

Intending this comment purely on the level of humanity (our own) and disregarding race realities, that was sobering. It’s even more sobering when one studies the slave trade agents of receipt in the Americas at that time (NOT Protestants). This young man seems to be leaning on the gospel far more for philosophical, political, and spiritual reasons, than religious (though they intertwine), which I can totally support.

Blacks are not historically or presently alone in worshipping material gain over their immediately proximate fellows… and the exact same results are manifesting in the West today because of it. GBFM’s lolllzllozllozlll, being the elephant-in-the-living-room case-in-point.

Even if the concept of a God judging peoples is merely a historical human expression of cause-effect (not saying that’s the case), in 100 years, that young man could easily be a North American arriving at those very same conclusions concerning his then existing milieu.

When men decide to commit to, and enforce, a higher aim, the women will follow, and not before then. Prioritizing material gain over more biologically fundamental necessities gives power to the purveyors of mammon. Men might realize that women will follow the actions of men in their lives—fathers, brothers, employers, lovers. Understanding women is productive. Bitching about them isn’t (not that anyone here engages in that).

That video is a worthwhile view for readers, as is a long look in the mirror, as uncomfortable as that may or may not be.

Enjoyed it, thanks thwack. The slowed-down Wagner in the background was a nice touch.

Africans have the role of servants. To think that white people and asian people will let them “stand up” and not be exploited, when in fact they can be exploited in this competitive world, is dreaming.

. No, I think Richard Pryor’s comment about going to Africa is best because of what he said he realized about how white people feel everyday;

Relaxed!

I think he went to Nigeria? But he said it was weird being in a country were everybody from the pickpocket to the bank president was black. But I digress. I shopped this video around to a bunch of black people and most were either uncomfortable discussing it, or offended by it.

That means theres a lot of truth in it.

So since they would not discuss it with me, I will present my thoughts here on the pirate ship.

The African guys opinion is valid, he is qualified to speak as an African; much more qualified than I. Sure, he is approaching it from a Christian perspective, specifically a Protestant one; but the concept of being judged by God… is very ancient so give him a break.

Indeed, he even mentioned it, “we all know when we doing wrong”, its basic to humanity. Plus theres the concept of Karma which Im sure the Africans always knew about. Finally, theres the concept of “soiling your own bed”.

What I will say in defense of the African is their concept of slavery may have been different than the European one, specifically the industrial scale and racial nature of it. In addition I thought the comment about nakeness was a bit over the top. Its hot as fuck in some parts of Africa and its not the dry heat.

To sum up, this was a good video for all black people to watch because too much of what we consume about Africa is a pep rally; and we don’t learn anything.

Also, I think more people need to study and get qualified on religions. Not just your own, but theology in general. Theres more to people than what country they from.

Girl sent me her pic. Told her it was hot. She asked where her hot pic was. and I told her I’d send one when she sends me proof of my name tattooed anywhere on her body. She thought it was hilarious. She’s married.

Another I reached out today with the sweet words, “Have my babies.” She has a college sweetheart boyfriend. We have plans next week. I’m a big fan of pregnancy game, actually.

you can have the capacity to wholly shut off your empathy circuits and retain your sense of self preservation. self preservation is what allows you to mimic normal behavior. it, and the social structure you wish to profit from, requires it in order to operate effectively and freely.

additionally, the Dark triad fully actualized, makes a man the single most attractive thing on this planet.

and it doesn’t matter because no matter how hot or high quality (ha!) the girl is, she is merely an acquisition. a good “get”. millions of young 22 yo’s coming on scene every year.

You’ve almost reached the end, Chateau. Your next mission is putting this Life game to rest. The logic of antinatalism is the only thing left for you. The final task of your existence begins here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9BFoIy8sdg

I am no stranger to this particular kind of darkness. But there is still a matter I am not sure of… What should one expect when two equally souless, sociopathic guys cross paths with one another. Is it best to share helpful tips? Or stab with shiv tips. -tips laced with Ricin?

I have some friends, old friends ,really, who have put serious mileage on
down this particular fast lane
The thing is, we very assiduously get each other drunk at such times It is like an old fashion handshake.

The psychopath question is fascinating… a childhood friend of mine who I still know, is a psychopath. I could spend an hour listing the reasons why I think so, but in sum, he has 99% of the classic psycho characteristics, AND he pissed the mattress when he slept over at my house as an 11 y/old (late bed wetting being one of the big red flags for psychopathy). One passage from this piece in particular jumped out at me:

“Stanley, in discussing this matter, seemed to show some peculiar limitation of awareness, some defect in sensibility, of a nature I cannot describe or clearly imagine. This often led him into gross errors of judgment that even very stupid people would readily see and easily avoid.”

My friend is exactly like this. He is, one the one hand, a fucking prodigy, a guy who could do (and does) virtually anything he wants to with no external help or instruction, yet he is constantly making big stupid mistakes that derail his life (for example, he was kicked out of trade school for stealing a project, in a course that he could have passed in his sleep… was fired from a good job for blatantly stealing credit card numbers from customers… got a criminal record at 21 for insurance fraud after filing a false car accident claim… spent thousands of dollars and dozens of hours building a souped-up Nissan Skyline, only to break the engine the first day he drove it… ETC). And other things that betray a bizarre deficiency in critical thinking ability…

A stand-out example of this was a time a couple of years ago when I visited him at his condo that he had recently bought, all with money that he had made, at the ripe old age of 20. I sat down on his living room and picked up a book about zombies from the coffee table. As I skimmed it he told me straight-faced that this is a real case record of zombie attacks which really happened, and were suppressed by a government conspiracy: zombies are real. After asking him “are you joking… no seriously, are you joking?” about 15 times I realized he wasn’t taking the piss out of me, I found the page near the front of the book in 5 seconds that said all the ‘events’ listed were fictional, this was an imaginative work about what zombie attacks could have been like, etc etc… after which he accepted with reluctance that zombies don’t exist. A guy who was sharp and driven enough to own a condo at 20, was stupid enough to believe that Resident Evil is more documentary than fantasy.

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Oh, and it goes without saying, he has had good pussy coming out the yin-yang since he was 15, and he’s 5’8 on a good day and skinny (blonde and handsome but 0 physical presence). His girlfriends have all been the same, quiet as a mouse, won’t say anything unless spoken to, but hot as bejesus, and totally in awe of him. To my knowledge, he dumped all his X’s, never the dumpee… perhaps that hasn’t been universally true but its definitely the pattern. One can learn game and how to manipulate girls, as a lesser mortal, but there is no becoming this guy, he has some kind of preternatural ability that cannot be faked.

Women fear of boredom ranks high second place just behind their fear of spiders,cockroaches and other insects
This partly can explain their attraction to sociopaths, to a vulgar mind a sociopath is an endless excitement,a vehicle to escape the dulness of her meaningless existence.

This passage from Sex and Character touches the more fundamental reasons
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Mankind occurs as male or female, as something or nothing. Woman has no share in ontological reality, no relation to the thing-in-itself, which, in the deepest interpretation, is the absolute, is God. Man in his highest form, the genius, has such a relation, and for him the absolute is either the conception of the highest worth of existence, in which case he is a philosopher; or it is the wonderful fairyland of dreams, the kingdom of absolute beauty, and then he is an artist. But both views mean the same. Woman has no relation to the idea, she neither affirms nor denies it; she is neither moral nor antimoral; mathematically speaking, she has no sign; she is purposeless, neither good nor bad, neither angel nor devil, never egoistical (and therefore has often been said to be altruistic); she is as nonmoral as she is non-logical
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Now that being said,it was only a question of time before game followers turn -the end justify means- sociopaths are ultimate alphas- into their ultimate commandment
How detrimental this is for the vestiges of social mores and civilization norms it would seem obvious to an intelligent man
Those who successfully atomized our civilization and culture must be laughing loud, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams

Putin is a developed sigma (and as a matter of fact a psychopath).
All greater leaders of history were sigma, not alphas.
Rothschild and Rockfeller family = intrinsical psychopathy
Alexander, Khalifas, etc = intrinsical psychopaths

If you are not a psycho this just mean you are like the 99,9% who were born to follow and not to lead.

All your inner game and opinions are just introductions for a born psycho.

“Khan’s descendants make up 10% of modern Mongolia. There are 2 million Mongolians and 200,000 share the same lineage based on the research. 8% of Asia’s nearly 4 billion people can claim descent from Genghis Khan. Overall, 0.5% of the world’s 7 billion people descend from the Mongolian warlord. It is doubtful that any other historical figure has more living descendants than Genghis Khan.

Biologically speaking, Genghis Khan is probably the greatest man that has ever lived. Genetic research has helped recover the Mongol warrior’s lineage after records disappeared. One out of every 12 Asians are descended from him. Perhaps 350 million people worldwide are alive today because of his libido. It should be remembered that his atrocities led to the dramatic expansion of his genetic material.”

I dont really know why the majority of you guys have real problems for realize that all the game/hierarchy/sexual market was projected for psycho ones and not to normal ones.

The majority of you are just puppets in a psycho world, who control your money? Psychos.
Who control your health via estrogen? Psychos.
Who control you by politics? Psychos.
Who created psychology to make it easier do make you fall? Psychos.
Base of all religion? Dark tetrad evoluted ones.

There is a reason for a psycho see you as a tool, it’s because you are one.

– Emancipated slaves in all conquered territories. (He was twice a slave himself)
– Outlawed corporal punishment. Instituted instead a system of fines.
– Established Mongol Law, in which every man (and woman) was equal, including himself.
– Instituted universal secondary education in all conquered territories (he was illiterate, but was greatly influenced by a scholarly Chinese adviser.)
– The first ruler to promote the use of paper currency (great intro chapter for GBFM’s new book: The Road to Bernankification).
– Instituted freedom of religion (and as a likely atheist himself, freedom FROM religion)
– Sent emissaries and ambassadors everywhere to open trade and exchange knowledge. It was at his invitation, albeit several decades later, that Marco Polo and family first traveled from Venice to China, which arguably initiated the Renaissance.

With the possible exception of Napoleon, he was the world’s most brilliant general, and stories of his atrocities were often exaggerated. He was ruthless to foes who opposed him, but he offered general amnesty to cities which surrendered. There are even examples of the citizens tossing their rulers over the fortress walls because they preferred the great Khan’s stern but effective leadership to the caprice of their own tyrants.

The world could use more psychopaths like Genghis Khan.

(Source: the excellent book, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World, by Jack Weatherford, based on an incredible trove of research that became available after the fall of the Soviets).

‘Alan McFarlane, The Savage Wars of Peace: England, Japan and the Malthusian Trap (2003, p.50): Chinese population reduced to half in 50 years — over 60 million people dying or failing to be replaced.’

All the khalifas descendents have psycho genes, and as a fact you can see they can easily display behaviors that normal causcasian can’t.

Genghis Khan wasa psycho mastered, Yeshua was a tetra mastered with religion, Marcus Aurelius was a psycho ( If you read his book Meditations you will see that his fater and his grandfather were psycho too).

Hitler, Napoleon, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Lula and Dilma (brazilian presidents that have fought, bank robber and made a lot of terrorism acts when they were younger), Khalifas, Oriental Leaders, African leaders.

[…] It was inevitable that the winding path to Chateau Heartiste, hedged by fragrant nihilismicus viscosum, would culminate, as it traveled past the noble stone house to the woods out back, in a dark place where demons play. […]

Note well the media, and the male characters women are most attracted to. Why is it invariably all the good roles seem to be the bad guys? Rule breakers check, immorality check, gina tingles check. CH got it right. Been watching The Following, which is shite, but higher beta Bacon is continually pissed on by all the females, whereas the badly played bad guy is only ever loved, at worst feared lol. Bottom line is you dont need to be a bad guy, but being a bad guy beats being a beta chump. I remember once buying a bird flowers… what a fuckin fool lol, beta pre-selection advertised no surprise she used me as an ATM I was asking for it!! Fair play she did take it up the arse mind so not all bad 😉

So the jurys in, the reason the heart of religion is controlling female sexual behaviour, is that without control female sexual selection sabotages group dynamics. Cos there will always be relative sexual losers, and they will always be less likely to be invested in, lets say, goodwill lol.

Future prediction – increasing beta/omega rage 😉 Not necessarily manifest in outward violence, more like suicide rates drop outs etc etc. All of which powers that be will have to come down hard on, which will exacerbate problem. Internalized hatred.

Ya Really can tell me to step out of my victim mentality all he likes, bottom line is nature of game is that most men selected out of game without strict controls, those men less likely to follow group be productive etc. Isn’t Game by definition elitist?? Its inherently anti-equality and anti-sharing in the sense that we can’t all win (assuming female sex selection will go to winners and leave rest for dust, women sexually repelled by betaness – loser genes). Women will never slut it up like the bonobos, so there is no sex for all lefty equality whatever the bs media says.

Anti-prossie laws, anti-porno laws, rape culture “theory”. All the same thing, big daddy government helps women do their shit tests for them. Weed out the losers. Question is what do you do with dem losers. Re-education camps lol, we’ll ignore that sperm naturally developing in your balls.

If there is a gradual rise in Game levels, just means top end Game has to improve to get the results still losers out there. Nature doesn’t want you to be happy lol.

Yesterday, was stifled again. Went out in the cold with wing who’s higher energy than me, and more confident. Kept racking my brain trying to figure out why I’m not going at it like he does… then I stopped trying to compare myself to him and approached.

I’ve noticed he’ll try and tell me who to approach and then I freeze up. Like, the weight of his expectations stifle me. So I end up not approaching and he approaches, rejected, but satisfied he went in. I don’t think he’s doing this on purpose, which is why I haven’t brought it up. Need to come out from behind his shadow. Also tries to AMOG me when we approach groups. Again, I’m not gonna bring this up. This is a challenge that I’m sure I’ll overcome.

Okay, Field Report time:

(A couple weeks ago)
I walk into bar. Not many people there. Was with different wing earlier, but he’s approaching so-so. (I approached a couple groups, congruently. Rejections, and I make a half-assed attempt at three-way makeout, but whatever). I see HB8 with unattractive friend sitting at the bar. I pass them up… then I come back.

She holds my hand tightly and leads me off the dancefloor. We find her friend. Friend talks to blonde. Blonde tells me she has to go to the bathroom, and she’ll be “right back.” Lol. Knew it was done when I said “I’m your lover” and let her lead… I was just at a loss for words at how quickly she became attracted… so that ended.

I feel like I could’ve just led her off the dancefloor, into a cab, and back to my place, since I live 10 minutes away from the bars now.

Nightclub FR

Different weekend. I see hot chick in heels. I walk up to her and put my arm around her shoulders.

Then I realize… coke whore. She keeps sniffing and wiping away one nostril. I freak out and stop talking… it’s just a turn off, wondering if I should’ve tried to get with her anyway. I took away all attention… I think she noticed because she tries to start up convo again… but then I’m like “Man, my head hurts… too many DRUGS.”

I was being judgey there, my mistake.

Thoughts: I feel like I oscillate between low and high energy a lot. I don’t always feel low energy, but when I do, it works pretty well. When I’m high energy, it works also, but I mess up a lot cuz I get in my head or am uncalibrated. Overall, I’ve done better in terms of progression when I was low energy (maybe because I was congruent to that… because I’ve also seen progression when I am high energy… but much more rarely. I’m thinking I should keep testing both energy levels for another year or two before I make any conclusive thoughts on my style.

Also, if I’m being perfectly honest, I am a HUGE complainer… “it’s too cold, that approach is too hard, there are no girls, that girl’s too fat/ugly/hot/lol.” I want to nip this in the butt. I’ll try that Positivity Challenge I’ve heard you guys talk about on here a few times.

You need to keep your hands to yourself, until she is more receptive to you touching her. It would annoy me, quite a bit, if some man I didn’t know, came up and started touching me. I would never do that to him, and would expect him to get annoyed or angry if I did.

[CH: Touching can actually build attraction in a woman. Yes, if asked women will say they don’t want strange men touching them, but as men experienced with women will tell you, subtle, barely perceived touching is a great way to heighten a woman’s receptivity. There are studies linked in the archives if you need scientific confirmation of this well-regarded game technique.]

I think the mistake you are making is coming on too strong, too quickly. Think about it, wouldn’t you find it a little off putting if even a cute girl immediately came up and started touching you? You should start out a little slower, and establish some comfort, before doing things like picking her up and carrying her to the dance floor. Since it is a bar, it wouldn’t take long, just a little more time than you are giving it.

I disagree, Lara. Look at how she was responding to it. She was into it.

I tend to like very aggressive men so I’m biased, but I don’t think it’s ever too early to touch her if you do it right. (Grabbing her rear end, breasts etc. is not the kind of touching I’m talking about btw.)

“Look how she was responding to it” is a postieri justification for a bad habit that will eventually get him in trouble. Grabbing a woman you just met who says she doesn’t want to dance and bringing her to the dance floor is bad technique, unless he provides her some means of rejecting the advance. He’ll eventually get kicked out of the club. Seen it happen to friends who got too aggressive. You can debate the morality of whether it’s “okay” (I think in Iriquois culture husbands were selected by breaking into a woman’s wigwam and fingering her in the dark), but he’s ultimately walking into a minefield with that behavior. Play hard but eliminate behaviors that can get you in trouble.

My guess is you have the intelligence and wherewithal to have girls follow you out of a bar without having to resort to making adversaries out of others and dragging them into a personal drama to achieve your ends.

Why not roofie a girl? Seriously. That’s the expression of the same philosophy: the ends justify the means. Perhaps he does have it down to a science. And I wish him well with the technique. The problem is that relying on anything that can throw you in the proverbial penalty box isn’t good game. There are an infinite ways to skin a cat. Picking one that applies coercion means ultimately, you want to coerce.

…and last point. a coercive technique is ultimately an expression of lack of confidence in oneself. and that’s what really needs to be fixed if it’s being used as a crutch (I know how to get women who say they don’t want to dance. pick them up and move them to the dance floor).

Look guys, I’m not saying it’s a “technique that works.” I’m just saying in this particular instance, it went fine and usually goes well because I’ve learned when to try it. If she was pissed off, or shy, or not giving me any eye contact, of course I wouldn’t have bothered to lift her. I still say it depends on the context, situation and. most of all, the girl.

For the record, I’ve had my fair share of “wtf are you doing” when I’ve done it uncalibrated, mostly because I was just trying it out.

I have been not allowed back into a bar only ONE TIME when doing this, and that was because they thought I was causing trouble for some reason (me and the girl I was carrying got kicked out… it was the stripper that pulled me back to her hotel (old news, didn’t pan out because of my weak game and her friends)? Nonetheless, I’ve never gotten kicked out for making a girl uncomfortable. And honestly, I’m not the type of guy that get’s kicked out or barred. I don’t drink, and only take part in recreational drugs off and on.

This pickup thing’s an experiment! And I’ve certainly taken your warnings into consideration.

“Think about it, wouldn’t you find it a little off putting if even a cute girl immediately came up and started touching you?”

I’d tease her about it, but getting “annoyed or angry” is ridiculous.

Besides, I don’t think “waiting to establish rapport first” had anything to do with how it went. There are a lot of things you’re assuming went on with the vibe, and that’s simply because I don’t think you’ve ever picked up (pulled/fucked, not carried) hot chicks before on a consistent basis. I haven’t either but the route I’ve been taking has been yielding some pretty good miniature wins for me thus far, and your advice, to me, takes a step backward from what I’m trying to achieve here.

Agree. I mean, without knowing more — if you just indiscriminately do that sort of thing, then ya….please stop. However, if she’s vibing on you and you can tell, then ya, go for it — I’d rather ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.

Also if a chick is with her friend, you need to open the friend. There’s no real way around it. She’s only going to work against you if you don’t do it. If you give the friend good vibes, the friend won’t put out a judgy vibe, which will help you get laid.

To be honest, I don’t really do much early kino or see the need for it. Ya wow sacrilege. You can tell if she’s vibing pretty fast. I’d say when you’re out trolling for puss, just spit some game for about 5 minutes — DHV, C&F….and then pull back.

Here’s some more real talk — if you’re any kind of non-asian black/brown, you already get masculinity points (as long as you aren’t fat). Like, if you go hyper aggro with the caveman stuff, it’s too much. Her friends will judge her, and like what she’s supposed to do? Admit she’s a dirty slut who’s curious about what you have to offer or act like she’s turned off by the whole display? Exactly. My suggestion — dial down the aggression in public. Play up any possible whiteness. Just enough to where her friends won’t judge her. When you get her alone…yeah, get as crazy as you want.

“Here’s some more real talk — if you’re any kind of non-asian black/brown, you already get masculinity points (as long as you aren’t fat). Like, if you go hyper aggro with the caveman stuff, it’s too much. Her friends will judge her, and like what she’s supposed to do? Admit she’s a dirty slut who’s curious about what you have to offer or act like she’s turned off by the whole display? Exactly. My suggestion — dial down the aggression in public. Play up any possible whiteness. Just enough to where her friends won’t judge her. When you get her alone…yeah, get as crazy as you want.”

Lol I’m black… and I had no idea this was a thing… and I talk PRETTY well (as in, my English is regular English, as opposed to “ay yo wuts up ma brotha”).

While I think Tyler’s concepts are solid, you gotta understand that three-way kiss stuff is just exhibitionism to make the nerds say “wow” and cough up money to their saint of pussy. Same with physically picking up chicks and aggressively moving them around the club. Shit like that will get you in trouble, especially as a black man doing that to white chicks in a high end club setting. Plus it also teaches you that you can “agress” your way to sex. So you take a chick home, she’s not feeling you, and your hair trigger reaction is to be aggressive until she folds. Enjoy your court case for attempted rape.

Without trying to sound like an authority here, my thoughts are that the girl likes you. You tried to force rapport there instead of just relaxing, having fun, going with the flow, and leading; but you came off as the most interesting-overwhelming man she has ever met and probably ever will meet.

Ideally your game is solid enough that this doesn’t matter. And the failed lay with the stripper doesn’t matter. True outcome independence. Not pussy chasing just because a girl looks hot. You’re valuing these strippers lol. Think about it. They’re STRIPPERS. Right state of mind will make them an *option* where you have the choice to say, you know what, I can bang this girl, but she’s empty, superficial and uneducated. Not sure I really want to, and I have the power to walk away. If the lay happens, so what.

Ah… I mean, you’re right, I’m just thinking it matters for no reason really. It just sounds cool because I’ve never been around strippers before. But yeah, I definitely agree overall. I’ll change up my language on this, simply because I know the way I write about this is effecting my subconscious.

A nuanced comment: One might ask, “What’s with MSM constantly pushing stories that show just how horribly females are treated all over the uncivilized world, especially in comparison with western-world women?” It doesn’t make sense, upon first glance, because it should make American women happy that they have it so good, yet MSM also–as we all know–manages to rile up the spoiled western women so they are nevertheless miserable bitches.

I think the answer might be related to the female inability to perceive time and space differences or even logically understand that “not all things are one.” Even though the spoiled americunts today are literally the most privileged animals who have ever lived on the earth at any time, in their little childlike female brains, they “absorb” stories like that below, which are published every day by MSM (black/brown women sold into sex slavery at age 14, forced to marry at age 14, get stoned as punishment for being raped, can’t go to school, etc) as proof that “all women” have it bad. They don’t perceive that the stories actually *contrast* with their privileged status in North America and western Europe.

In other words, MSM publishes, daily, a story about third world women being forced into sex slavery or marriage at age 12, and stuff like that, which completely contrasts with our Britney Spears world where society literally worships and coddles women and their every need, BUT the americunts still view it, in their brain, as proving, “This world is unfair to all women.” This is is the same biological reason that most women cannot be good at math or hard science.

That’s a very good analysis, but with one caveat; today’s American women are not the most privileged beings ever to walk the earth. Women were happier when it was socially acceptable to focus on being a good catch, marry a provider, and spend your adult years raising your children. It is quite clearly a superior lifestyle than today’s feminist-inspired cultural norm, which is to mutilate your body via a staggering calorie surplus, get repeatedly used as a masturbation doll by sketchy men, try to force your way into the corporate world armed with nothing but a psych degree and a couple of unpaid internships, marry an unattractive, demasculinized man, divorce him with a 50% probability, and blame your unfulfilling life on the patriarchy.

That Clinton + Elizabeth Hurley link … OK, so its the Mirror, but it rings true enough for government work so let’s go. Apart from her unconvincing protestations of purity:

Hurley has made no secret of her attraction to Clinton.

She once admitted that she has a secret fetish for powerful politicians. However this afternoon Liz branded the claims “ludicrous”. She tweeted: “Silly stories about me and Bill Clinton. Totally untrue.”

The ‘Austin Powers’ star has confessed that she lusts after world leaders including former U.S. President Bill Clinton and ex-Prime Minister John.

(By the way, it must have been orgasmic for the journalist to get to write a section like that.)

OK, that apart, life as an unattached 10 seems to consist of being passed around as a fuck toy for the alphas. Charming, like this:

In audio recording obtained by the US website, the actor [Tom Sizemore] said he perhaps should ask Hurley first if he can give out her number to which Clinton replies “You dumb mother******. I’m the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America. The buck stops here. Give me the damn number.”

When he called her, she at first appeared coy but Clinton charmed her saying: “Listen Elizabeth, this is the President. I don’t have any time for the ****. I’m keeping the world from nuclear war all the time. I’m sending a plane to pick you up”.