Another site whose reason for existence is to disinterest people in aspartame.…

This website is a wealth of information.

And about as biased as asking the NRA about gun control.

If you want to be super healthy the way nature intended, stay away from chemicals and eat a raw diet.

Nature has no intent. Nature is not sentient. Our bodies are fairly adaptable and we can be healthy without resorting to eating like our prehistoric
ancestors did.

There are natural sweeteners that can be used in place of the deadly stuff being pushed in the media (agave, stevia, xylitol, etc. are natural
sweeteners that anyone can use and have no chemicals in them).

And more power to ya if you use them.

I've actually made a new rule for myself... don't buy anything advertised in the mainstream media. If I see it on TV, it goes on the black
list of things NOT to purchase.

Couldn’t help but bring this up because it made me chuckle. Feminine hygiene products are advertised quite a lot on TV. Leaves? Rags?

Believing that toxic chemicals in our food and water are good for us when there is evidence to support that it causes illness and disease...
that is being willingly ignorant.

Assuming point blank that artificial chemicals are toxic is being willingly ignorant. Believing the “information” about artificial chemicals
posted on websites that have a vested interest in promoting natural alternatives is willful ignorance.

I went through 20+ years of severe anxiety and depression and then over 6 years of antidepressants that caused even more problems such as
memory, focus and motivation issues). I feel pretty certain that alzheimers would be in my future if I stayed on that path.

Your feelings are not fact. They’re what you feel.

Getting off the chemicals and onto organic food and chemical-free products is the best decision I ever made for my health.

And whether the reason you feel better is chemical or psychological is anybody’s guess.

I have done enough research to know that foods from nature are what our bodies need

They may very well be best, but we don’t necessarily need them.

and I will never believe that toxic chemicals are safe.

And apparently you’ll never believe that aspartame is anything but toxic. Mention something about willful ignorance a couple of lines up?

Dead people don't buy food. Dead people don't buy drugs. Dead people don't pay for medical care. There is no profit in harming customers,
period end of subject. Follow the money. If there is no money it is generally nothing but a hysterical response.

Tell that to the cigarette companies then. Is there no link to cancer in smoking tobacco laced with countless other carcinogens? If a majority of
customers don't die, or use a lot of the product before they die it really doesn't matter if they pass over.

Cigarettes are highly addictive. This offsets the life span issue. I’m not saying it’s right; I’m just pointing out it’s still profitable.

There is a large amount of money to be made in sweeteners, artificial or natural.

Whether or not aspartame is as bad as formaldehyde or arsenic is a non-issue.

Putting the MOST natural foods in your body is simply the smartest thing to do.

Can't consume raw sugar, well don't eat it. Use honey instead. There are other natural sweeteners derived from plant materials that do not
need to be synthetically made. I'd stick with those.

And that’s probably a good idea. But it doesn’t mean you should go and villify aspartame.

Originally posted by annestacey:
The food industry adds chemicals to the food in order to get people addicted to it so they buy more of it.

*Sigh* Prove it.

And it's not healthy because if it were, they wouldn't hide the chemicals in other ingredients.

Hide chemicals in other ingredients? Prove it. The way I see it, you use an ingredient in a certain form, and you list it as used in that certain
form.

The pharmaceutical companies then profit (hugely) from the drugs people are on because of the chemicals in the food.

*Ahem* Prove it.

It's true that dead people don't spend money. That's why they make sure they drag it out and keep people sick for very long periods of
time.

Prove it.

The "smart" people will figure it out and live. The ones who are not quite as smart or simply can't afford the healthier foods will be the
ones who die the quickest.

Prove it.

MSG is one of the most harmful ingredients that exists. They DO add it to the foods, they've been doing it for decades and they are constantly
increasing the amount added. Plus... they hide it in other ingredients so you won't see it on the label.

Prove it.

Originally posted by RogerT:

Hi NRen2k5

I recognised your posting style before I read the post name

Nice to see you're still here, was beginning to miss you after Wade got
canned.

Nice to have you company too. I’ve been sticking around, actually. I just mostly avoid the social/political threads in favour of scientific ones
because there’s more often something concrete to prove or disprove.

I recommend your dad take a look at Stevia as a replacement to sugar. It's natural, virtually no cals and doesn't mess with BS. Several
hundred times sweeter than sugar and has a slight liquorice flavor. I hear Coke is trying to patent it or something like that

Thanks for the advice. I’ll see if it’s available anywhere around here. Always fun to try something new.

On topic, I did a huge amount of research on Aspartame a while back. This nasty chemical has a very dubious history, especially the way it got
its FDA approval. Some interesting names involved too, Rumsfeld for one - now there's a name we can trust

True, but often enough truly good things are accomplished in the name of evil and vice versa. Take the german Nazis’ development of rocketry and the
Americans’ development of the atom bomb for example.

Europe initially resisted the substance but pressure from the Money got it through. In 2005 Roger Williams, a UK Member of Parliament, called
for emergency action to ban the artificial sweetener Aspartame, questioning its safety. The MP said that there was "compelling and reliable evidence
for this carcinogenic substance to be banned from the UK food and drinks market altogether". It's been in and out of the UK press since, but
unfortunately, people are just not waking up yet.

Well, hopefully the scientific community there is interested and gets some conclusive results which can be replicated.

the original Board of Inquiry report of the FDA revoking the petition for approval, along with the famed Dr. John Olney's testimony to the
Board on the damage aspartame would do to the brains of our children if approved and especially in combination with glutamate. Dr. Olney is one of the
most renowned neuroscientists in the world today. You can go to dorway.com and read his CV. He founded the field of neuroscience called excitotoxicity
after doing studies on aspartic acid, 40% of aspartame, and found it caused lesions in the brains of mice. Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D, wrote
the book on it, Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills. An excitotoxin is a product that literally stimulates the neurons of the brain to death. The FDA
agreed with Dr. Olney, no doubt one of the reasons they revoked the petition for approval. Aspartame was finally approved through the politics of Don
Rumsfeld who at the time was CEO of Searle, the original manufacturer.

Dr. Ralph Walton's research on scientific peer reviewed studies and funding which showed 92% of independent, unbiased research shows the
aspartame problems. If you remove 6 studies done by the FDA because after approval they became loyal to the manufacturer, and one proindustry summary,
100% of independent scientific peer reviewed studies showed the problems. Only studies funded or controlled by industry ever said it was safe.

Interesting.

There is SOOOO much damning evidence on this neurotoxin, and direct research by reputable scientists, I find it amazing that people still drink
the stuff, let alone defend it, especially when several natural alternatives are available for those that cannot use sugar.

Habit. A certain psychological momentum, if you will. It would be nice if the more credible science got cited more often. As it is, the anti-aspartame
websites like to bombard us with all the same badly or unsourced shock-value stats.

Originally posted by anhinga:
also, microwave ovens, they CHANGE the molecular structure of your food and turn it into a lump of fat.

Prove it.

Originally posted by HaTaX:
I've often wondered if the sudden burst of sugar substitutes on the market has helped contribute to the obese problem on the rise in the US. I don't
think that's the only cause, but wonder if it's a contributing factor.

Or you could be mistaking effect for cause.

Originally posted by annestacey:
Some people are fortunate enough to feel the effects of this toxic stuff so they can stop ingesting it before it's too late.

And some people have wild imaginations.

You are probably one of those people who will end up with alzheimers or worse... then it will be too late for you.

And you think people weren’t afflicted with or killed by such conditions before the advent of all this modern chemistry?

Aspertame, MSG and other chemicals called "excitoxins" are added to the food to make them taste better.

Yes, some people have a sensitivity to some chemicals. It’s like an allergy.

Originally posted by RexxCrow:
Aspartame was invented 20-years ago (approximately) as a rat poison

Nope.

And as to the rest of your post, see above. Glad to hear organic seems to be working so well for you, though.

Originally posted by annestacey:
Excellent RexxCrow! You have done the right thing by refusing the poison.

You really need to take a step back and look at yourself. Why do you insist on using biased language to try and convince other people of your beliefs?
Stop needlessly point-blank calling aspartame a poison!

cleansing products from health food stores

GOOD GRIEF!! Don’t get me started on that nonsense!

Originally posted by anhinga:
Yeah, Splenda is just as bad... I think it's got chlorine in it

*Sigh* You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

Originally posted by Outlawstar
You say life expectancy is up but death from cancer, heart disease, alzheimers and parkinsons is WAY UP.

Something’s gonna kill you when you’re older, y’know.

Hmm..and they all just happen to be diseases linked to aspartame and other sweeteners

Show me the links.

I think the "non-belevers" are taking for granted just the kind of people that are running this world.

I think the believers should check the Kool Aid they’re drinking. It may not have aspartame but it definitely has something funny in it.

And dont give me this prove it crap, Ive done the research, if you want to find out get up off your ass and do it yourself.

The point is you haven’t done the reasearch. Other people’s opinions are not hard evidence. Unsourced statistics are not evidence. Unsourced
statements like that aspartame kills little puppies and kittens are not evidence.

I ask for a smoking gun and you give me an overripe banana.

Originally posted by annestacey:
Here is some information from "The Hundred Year Lie"

*Yawn*

I'm not putting you on ignore.... but I'll be simply overlooking your posts from here on out on every single topic. Your input is completely
useless to me.

Apparently anything you don’t already agree with is useless to you. It’s nice to have such an open mind.

The only way we can find out the truth is from grassroots health organizations and people who do research and write books because god knows we
will never hear the truth from the government or the FDA or the pharmaceutical companies or the food companies.

No. The “grassroots health organizations and people who do research and write books” are as bad as or worse than the government. They have their
own biases which tend to be much stronger than the government’s.

If you want credible research, look to universities for starters. Which reminds me… have you gone to college, yourself?

What I know for sure is that I cured my own depression by removing chemicals from my diet and my household.

Oh really? And you have some hard data to back that statement up?

That's proof enough for me to know I shouldn't be eating them or touching them.

That’s nice, but I think not even the average person is so easily fooled.

Oh boy. You’re trying to counter his facts with more opinion on his facts?

Is that really all you've got? Mouth and muscles.

Beats just mouth.

Where's the debate on the research? Where's the defence of the rebuttals? Where's the intelligent discourse? Where's the denial of
ignorance?

That’s what he’s indirectly asking you. We ask for research, and your camp posts opinions. We ask for intelligent discourse, and you call
aspartame a poison and a toxin point-blank. We tell you your sources are biased and you go right on copy&pasting from them.

Originally posted by annestacey:
Aspartame is a toxic substance that was on the congressional list of biowarfare agents until it got approved by the FDA because Donald Rumsfeld was
the president of the company that owned the patent on it.

Soft drink companies have done a horrible disservice to humanity through the use of aspartame in a product everyone thought to be safe. I have
personal experience through the loss of short term memory, severe enough to have effected my career, health, and safety. These companies must be
very powerful, since they escape being held responsible for a very dangerous additive. I am happy to see the demand for healthy, refreshing
beverages, finally taking effect.

Sorry if this has been said but catching up on 7 pages of posts is hard when your at work.

I read that although aspartame is definitely causing brain tumours in rats the same is not true of humans.

Im going from memory of something I read a while ago. Being at work i dont have time to grab my sources.

When the aspartame is metabolised it breaks down into two components one of which is either benzene or a related benzene type substance. The presence
of this in the bloodstream si what causes the brain tumors.

However the enzyme that catalyses this in the rats is not present in humans and as such the aspartame doesnt break down into the same components. Or
if it does its in such low quantities that it causes no harm.

Yes some people will complain that aspartame has caused them damage or pain etc. but if your allergic to peanuts they can kill also. No ones screaming
to have peanuts banned.

Some people definetly are sensitive to aspartame, like me. When I have some foods containing aspartame I get strange headaches that I don't ever get
from any other foods (and I don't have allergies). From my personal experience, that stuff (along with msg and other artificial ingredients) are
chemicals people shouldn't be consuming. The dangers of aspartame may be over exagerated, but there is something up with it that isn't good.

This is Absolutely Awful, considering my mother doesn't put reagular sugar in her coffee she uses Equal. I will tell her to cease doing so ASAP.
How can people be so ignorant as to use something that could hurt people, hurt their buyers. They should be shut down, and that product should be
taken off the market. This producers should be completely destroyed, not killed, but they should be shut down, and not allowed to hold market ever
again if they are willing to put their consumers lives in danger. This is outrageous. It should have never been allowed to be made if this allegid
(sp?) drug was put into it, or rather made out of it.

Originally posted by sharati
This is Absolutely Awful, considering my mother doesn't put reagular sugar in her coffee she uses Equal. I will tell her to cease doing so ASAP.
How can people be so ignorant as to use something that could hurt people, hurt their buyers. They should be shut down, and that product should be
taken off the market. This producers should be completely destroyed, not killed, but they should be shut down, and not allowed to hold market ever
again if they are willing to put their consumers lives in danger. This is outrageous. It should have never been allowed to be made if this allegid
(sp?) drug was put into it, or rather made out of it.

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