“There will be three stages of creating a new UK-EU deal - informal negotiations, formal negotiations, and implementation including both a new Treaty and domestic legal changes. There is no need to rush. We must take our time and get it right.”

“we will negotiate a UK-EU Treaty that enables us 1) to continue cooperating in many areas just as now (e.g. maritime surveillance), 2) to deepen cooperation in some areas (e.g. scientific collaborations and counter-terrorism), and 3) to continue free trade with minimal bureaucracy. The details will have to await a serious negotiation but there are many agreements between the EU and other countries that already solve these problems so we will be able to take a lot ‘off the shelf’.”

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:48 - Jul 18 by exiledclaseboy

“we will negotiate a UK-EU Treaty that enables us 1) to continue cooperating in many areas just as now (e.g. maritime surveillance), 2) to deepen cooperation in some areas (e.g. scientific collaborations and counter-terrorism), and 3) to continue free trade with minimal bureaucracy. The details will have to await a serious negotiation but there are many agreements between the EU and other countries that already solve these problems so we will be able to take a lot ‘off the shelf’.”

No to no deal, says the official Vote Leave campaign.

That sounds like a Mark Francois speech, minus the "Canada have done the heavy lifting for us"

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:49 - Jul 18 by waynekerr55

Not forgetting Mr "a jobs first Brexit that works for everyone" suggesting that A50 should have been triggered instantly.

Yeah but let’s not distract from the proven lies of the Vote Leave campaign. As incompetent as Corbyn is, he isn’t responsible for where we are now. Let’s concentrate on disproving those who continue to lie and say that the Leave campaign always wanted to leave without a deal. They didn’t. That’s a lie.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:52 - Jul 18 by exiledclaseboy

Yeah but let’s not distract from the proven lies of the Vote Leave campaign. As incompetent as Corbyn is, he isn’t responsible for where we are now. Let’s concentrate on disproving those who continue to lie and say that the Leave campaign always wanted to leave without a deal. They didn’t. That’s a lie.

Correct. I thought I'd just point that out as it was a tap I. But yes, Cameron, May and the cabal of cùnts known as the Conservative party should be shot (bar the few such as Grieve who has had the balls to stand up and be counted).

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:54 - Jul 18 by waynekerr55

Correct. I thought I'd just point that out as it was a tap I. But yes, Cameron, May and the cabal of cùnts known as the Conservative party should be shot (bar the few such as Grieve who has had the balls to stand up and be counted).

Shooting all politicians who don’t agree with you on a single issue could be considered to be rather an extremist position.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:45 - Jul 18 by bluey_the_blue

I'd suggest it's pretty fvcking obvious both sides need to agree a deal. It's also pretty fvcking obvious you don't bend over and take it up the arse just to get a deal.

The use of “fcking” as an intensifier should be used sparingly otherwise it has the opposite effect Bluey. In this example, it suggests you’ve lost the plot and a mental image of somebody waving a kipper around comes to mind.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:10 - Jul 18 by longlostjack

The use of “fcking” as an intensifier should be used sparingly otherwise it has the opposite effect Bluey. In this example, it suggests you’ve lost the plot and a mental image of somebody waving a kipper around comes to mind.

Basil fawlty?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:20 - Jul 18 by bluey_the_blue

That May and Robbins wanted out of the deal, which was resoundly rejected by Parliament.

If the claims of Panorama are correct, whole thing was a clusterfvck.

Right. So let me get this straight. The Uk goes to the EU armed with a list of demands to be included in a deal. The EU accedes to all those requests and both parties agree a deal to be ratified by both sides. The EU side ratifies said deal, and weeks later the UK goes back to the EU and says “this deal that contains everything we asked you for is now no good. Give us another one.” The EU not unreasonably replies in the negative. “But UK, this deal contains everything you asked us for. It means you leave the EU. You leave the single market. You leave the customs union. You leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ. Freedom of movement ends. Literally everything you wanted is here and now you say it’s no good? F*ck off, you incompetent buffoons”.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:28 - Jul 18 by exiledclaseboy

Right. So let me get this straight. The Uk goes to the EU armed with a list of demands to be included in a deal. The EU accedes to all those requests and both parties agree a deal to be ratified by both sides. The EU side ratifies said deal, and weeks later the UK goes back to the EU and says “this deal that contains everything we asked you for is now no good. Give us another one.” The EU not unreasonably replies in the negative. “But UK, this deal contains everything you asked us for. It means you leave the EU. You leave the single market. You leave the customs union. You leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ. Freedom of movement ends. Literally everything you wanted is here and now you say it’s no good? F*ck off, you incompetent buffoons”.

And this is the EU’s fault how?

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I'm not disagreeing with you, you do know that, right?

May's deal was an undoubted sh1tfest. Nobody backs it, nobody wants it. It was the only deal achievable with the parameters set by May and Robbins. If it's true as per EU on Panorama tonight that May took "no deal" off the table then there was no pressure on EU to deliver anything other that what Remainer May wanted. After all, not like she wanted t play hardball.

I've no doubt a more aggressive stance from the start, with no deal firmly made an option to EU, a different, better deal was possible. Now? As you said, EU gave what May wanted. With goodwill on both sides, maybe... but it'll realistically be May's deal or no deal.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:35 - Jul 18 by bluey_the_blue

I'm not disagreeing with you, you do know that, right?

May's deal was an undoubted sh1tfest. Nobody backs it, nobody wants it. It was the only deal achievable with the parameters set by May and Robbins. If it's true as per EU on Panorama tonight that May took "no deal" off the table then there was no pressure on EU to deliver anything other that what Remainer May wanted. After all, not like she wanted t play hardball.

I've no doubt a more aggressive stance from the start, with no deal firmly made an option to EU, a different, better deal was possible. Now? As you said, EU gave what May wanted. With goodwill on both sides, maybe... but it'll realistically be May's deal or no deal.

I do enjoy your consistency in proving that Brexit types are indeed as thick as blue whale mince.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:35 - Jul 18 by bluey_the_blue

I'm not disagreeing with you, you do know that, right?

May's deal was an undoubted sh1tfest. Nobody backs it, nobody wants it. It was the only deal achievable with the parameters set by May and Robbins. If it's true as per EU on Panorama tonight that May took "no deal" off the table then there was no pressure on EU to deliver anything other that what Remainer May wanted. After all, not like she wanted t play hardball.

I've no doubt a more aggressive stance from the start, with no deal firmly made an option to EU, a different, better deal was possible. Now? As you said, EU gave what May wanted. With goodwill on both sides, maybe... but it'll realistically be May's deal or no deal.