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Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I don't think its just Realgm ers though. When I was doing the pregame email for G2, I found an translated interview that Ilyasova gave a Turkish site, where it sounds like he has some frustration with the team constantly picking up too many guys who play his position.... I think there might be some fire to that smoke.

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Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

It's true that a lot of his points were on putbacks. So? That's a big part of what he's been missing.

If he'd hit two more putbacks a game so far this year, nobody would be complaining about his scoring.

Exactly. But quite frankly, as a featured part of the offense, Hibbert's efficiency and FG% are very disappointing. So, from my perspective at least, his means of getting points tonight is exactly what he should be doing. Using him only when he is wide open and having him crash the boards for put backs will yield a much better efficiency and FG%.

He needs to do whatever will cause our opponent to have to pay more attention to him, thus further enabling West, George and Hill, and Granger upon his return. Crashing the boards seems like a great way of getting that accomplished. He won't be as successful every game as he was this game, but again, anything that draws more attention from the opposition will yield great results for the team.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I don't think its just Realgm ers though. When I was doing the pregame email for G2, I found an translated interview that Ilyasova gave a Turkish site, where it sounds like he has some frustration with the team constantly picking up too many guys who play his position.... I think there might be some fire to that smoke.

Interesting. They certainly have some problems as a team and Ilyasova has a point.

Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I know that sounds odd but at the end of the day even some of those great 90's teams took a little to much pride in being a veteran no showtime fundamental team.

I love the fact that our young guys get out & run and now put on a show when they can. I know Lance sometimes has to give Frank ulcers but at the end of the day man that guy is only behind Mark Jackson & Jamaal Tinsley when it comes to being creative with the ball while dribbling. That behind the back pass hit West in the only spot it would work. That lead bounce pass to Hill between the Bucks was something else as well.

But it goes beyond Lance, it seems every single one of our team is trying to get in on the act and they are really trying to get West an alley oop play. Who wants to take odds that we see a Stephenson/West alley oop play before the year is over?

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Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

Really happy with how we are playing at home. Right up there with NYK and Miami in terms of being good at home.

Just a general thought that has been with me all season, but one of the reasons I am not worried about the adjustment when Danny returns is that this team is just begging for a spot up jump shooter in between Paul George and David West. You give Danny all the open looks that Sam Young and Gerald Green have been getting and it is going to be an easy low pressure and low impact (in terms of physical demand) way to integrate Danny back into the offense.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I'd love for Hibbert to simply give us low double figures in points where half of them come off putbacks. Means he's active on the offensive boards - always a good thing. I'm even more enthused about the total rebound and block numbers. That type of activity/energy is what we need from Roy consistently more than anything.

That said, it is worth questioning the influence of the type of interior guys Milwaukee runs out there. Long, athletic, but also thinner and not as physically strong as Boston's primary trio from the night before that manhandled us pretty well. We've got to prove we can stand up to that type of physicality as well.

But, overall, very happy with our energy and resilience in this one compared to the debacle in Beantown. There were some moments, such as Bucks quickly erasing our halftime lead, where we could have gotten down again, but we stayed in there.

Having GH back certainly doesn't hurt either. Sign me up for OJ, Young and whoever else for a test run of Green's minutes. Guy hits an early three and you think, okay now he's going to bust out of the alleged slump. Certainly last year's 3 % means he's eventually going to improve and stabilize as that's his forté. But, alas, it still winds up 1 for 7. If he ever did find his shot, man would it be a boost.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I don't think its just Realgm ers though. When I was doing the pregame email for G2, I found an translated interview that Ilyasova gave a Turkish site, where it sounds like he has some frustration with the team constantly picking up too many guys who play his position.... I think there might be some fire to that smoke.

Interesting. They certainly have some problems as a team and Ilyasova has a point.

Ilyasova would be a great pickup. only makes $8M a year, so he fits into the salary slot the pacers need. Wonder what the Bucks really want for him? Reading some of the forums, it sounds like a bag of ball and a sack of chips. Others want Rudy Gay. So it is hard to tell.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

Ilyasova would be a great pickup. only makes $8M a year, so he fits into the salary slot the pacers need. Wonder what the Bucks really want for him? Reading some of the forums, it sounds like a bag of ball and a sack of chips. Others want Rudy Gay. So it is hard to tell.

Ilyasova had a really good year last season, and I was a fan of his. Makes me wonder if now it wasn't one of those "it's a contract year playing thing". Still even at that I wouldn't mind having him, but 8 mil is too steep for his play this year.

Mozgov is a b/u Center I would be interested in acquiring. Denver has too many Centers. I wonder if he might be available?

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

Ilyasova had a really good year last season, and I was a fan of his. Makes me wonder if now it wasn't one of those "it's a contract year playing thing". Still even at that I wouldn't mind having him, but 8 mil is too steep for his play this year.

Mozgov is a b/u Center I would be interested in acquiring. Denver has too many Centers. I wonder if he might be available?

I know that Pendegraph has been playing ahead of Plumlee in the rotation....but I suspect that Plumlee is getting the same treatment as OJ was....Vogel wants experience on the floor for now.

Why throw in another Center to the mix when we have Miles waiting in the wings?

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

Ilyasova would be a great pickup. only makes $8M a year, so he fits into the salary slot the pacers need. Wonder what the Bucks really want for him? Reading some of the forums, it sounds like a bag of ball and a sack of chips. Others want Rudy Gay. So it is hard to tell.

My impression about Ilyasova is that he mainly wants to get paid. I don't think that we could afford him. We could use him for the playoff run, though. Just like we did with Barbosa.

Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

Mozgov is a b/u Center I would be interested in acquiring. Denver has too many Centers. I wonder if he might be available?

I'd love Mozgov but we have depth at the Center position. Mahinmi is a good b/u and Miles is waiting to get minutes and produce as well. Denver has 3 7 fters but we have 3 7fters as well (well, Ian and Miles are closer to 6'11 but you get the point).

I think that our depth at the C position is good.

Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Really happy with how we are playing at home. Right up there with NYK and Miami in terms of being good at home.

Just a general thought that has been with me all season, but one of the reasons I am not worried about the adjustment when Danny returns is that this team is just begging for a spot up jump shooter in between Paul George and David West. You give Danny all the open looks that Sam Young and Gerald Green have been getting and it is going to be an easy low pressure and low impact (in terms of physical demand) way to integrate Danny back into the offense.

Every game that we play the more and more I think it might be smarter to bring Granger off the bench. The first unit has a good mixture to start the game, then a few minutes into the game you bring in Granger and you get a second boost.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I'd love Mozgov but we have depth at the Center position. Mahinmi is a good b/u and Miles is waiting to get minutes and produce as well. Denver has 3 7 fters but we have 3 7fters as well (well, Ian and Miles are closer to 6'11 but you get the point).

I think that our depth at the C position is good.

The thing with Plumjam is he's a project with no experience. Mozgov has been in the league 3-4 years. Walsh when at NY originally signed him.

Mahinmi doesn't have the bulk Mozgov has, but Mahinmi is quicker.

It would take a trade, and I'm not sure the Pacers have a bench player/players Denver would want. Green's salary fits for those that want to get rid of Green. I had orginally thought about a trade using Pendergraph, but he only makes half of Mozgov's salary.

I'll be a Pacers homer and suggest a Green and DJ trade for Mozgov and Miller trade. I'd throw in a 2nd as a sweetner.

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I know that Pendegraph has been playing ahead of Plumlee in the rotation....but I suspect that Plumlee is getting the same treatment as OJ was....Vogel wants experience on the floor for now.

Why throw in another Center to the mix when we have Miles waiting in the wings?

Simple. Plumlee is a project with no experience, and Mozgov has been a starter in the past. Heaven forbid this to happen, but if Hibbert gets hurt you need a player like Mozgov to be able to play. Can up imagine playing in the playoffs with Mahinmi starting and Plumjam and Pendergraph the b/u? To me that's not a pleasant thought!

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

I'll take that bet on that it won't happen. Lance might want to, but West won't have any part of it.

Every game that we play the more and more I think it might be smarter to bring Granger off the bench. The first unit has a good mixture to start the game, then a few minutes into the game you bring in Granger and you get a second boost.

If the Boston and Atl game showed me anything it's that we NEED another consistent scorer with our starters. PG is too inconsistent and West is starting to slow a bit after us riding him earlier I'm the season

Re: Pacers/Bucks Postgame Thread 1/5/13

If the Boston and Atl game showed me anything it's that we NEED another consistent scorer with our starters. PG is too inconsistent and West is starting to slow a bit after us riding him earlier I'm the season

If they aren't scoring then you bring him in sooner rather than later, if they are scoring then you wait. There you go simple easy obvious solution to that problem. The only problem with bringing Granger off the bench would be if Vogel actually used him as a bench player, instead of using him as a starter who just happens to start the game on the bench. A player can still average 36 minutes coming off the bench, and can still play the majority of his minutes with the starters if need be. Bringing that kind of player off the bench though gives you some tactical advantage and flexibility during games though.