That's what I have been saying all year long! Did you see how he burned by Revis in the first Jets game??? How we aren't throwing at least 4-5 bombs to him per game is mind-boggling. Makes me question Dan Henning's knowledge. He is a PLAYMAKER, let him MAKE PLAYS!

There were several plays I saw that ginn was going deep, but henne went the other way. I think Henne was trying to play it safe in his first year, maybe taking a little too much advice from Penny, and going with the intermediate routes as opposed to the risky deep ball.

Ginn has a unique set of skills, if he weren't drafted so high I'm sure everybody would be in love with the guy.

Instead of the Pat White plays maybe Henne should be instructed to throw the ball deep a few times a game? Just a thought.

I wonder if Sparano really restricted how much Henning could do with the deep passing game most of the season trying to minimize turnovers. I think they thought the running game and Wildcat offense would produce much more consistenty. I felt like they really opened things up in the last few games.

I hate Ted Ginn.... Throw it to him deep? Are you insane? Have you forgotten already? He dropped many balls put in his hands, critical plays batched by his butter hands...

Please NO, please dont forget already

Dude, I watched EVERY game and have them all TIVO'd. Yes, I am a loser. Ginn did not drop as many passes as people think. In fact Dwayne Bowe who MANY Dolphins fans wanted in the worst way, dropped the most in the NFL. Look at this list, Ginn dropped 9 passes, which is less than 1 per game. Bowe and Vernon Davis dropped 11. I still argue that changing from soft-tossing Penny to rocket firing Henne messed him up. In the last several games he caught everything. I don't say he is a #1 WR, but he can be very serviceable as a #2. Like Devery Henderson.

I'd hate to say it... but from those stats you'd have to get rid of Camarillo. He's very consistent and reliable... but Bess, Cam and Hartline are very much the same style of players... at least Ginn brings that speed element to the equation... the addition of a true #1 might lead to the loss of Camarillo.

The odd man out would be determined in camp. And two years removed from an ACL tear, I do not think the odd man out would be Camarillo. If we get a true #1, unless he changes his game quite a bit, the odd man out would be Ginn.

The odd man out would be determined in camp. And two years removed from an ACL tear, I do not think the odd man out would be Camarillo. If we get a true #1, unless he changes his game quite a bit, the odd man out would be Ginn.

We'd still have speed, we just wouldn't have a top 5 speed guy in the NFL. Brian Hartline has some speed and deep ball ability. If a true #1 is acquired chances are it will be someone who brings some speed to the table, maybe just not Ginn speed.

That said I still think allowing another team to sign Bess and forfeit pick(s) to us or trading Camarillo's ability and very reasonable contract might be more attractive to other teams, if we are talking about taking one guy out of the crowd.

Where has the blistering speed been in Arizona the past few years with Boldin and Fitzgerald?

Who is the speed merchant in Indy's passing game?

Speed is nice, but not the biggest requirement, especially if you have a player like Ginn who still doesn't know how to use his speed appropriately as it pertains to route running.

Besides, who is to say the #1 WR we would hypothetically get doesn't bring that speed?

Lastly, if you're the coach of this team and in training camp you have Cam, Bess an Hartline catching everything thrown their way and Ginn continuing to be inconsistent, do you still choose Ginn over one of those other guys just because he can run fast in a straight line?

I throw the same question to you as I did to PZ. If you are the coach of this team during training camp and you have Bess, Cam and Hartline catching everything thrown their way and you continue having Ginn playing soft and being inconsistent with virtually every facet of his game, would you still keep Ginn over one of those other guys when push comes to shove, just because he can run fast in a straight line?

I hate Ted Ginn.... Throw it to him deep? Are you insane? Have you forgotten already? He dropped many balls put in his hands, critical plays batched by his butter hands...

Please NO, please dont forget already

You hate Ginn ok. Maybe that fact has affected your ability to be reasonable and not to engage in needless attacks? Questioning peoples sanity or ability to remember things aside, I think throwing deep to Ginn last year instead of running the Pat White plays would have been the more profitable of those two options. Ginn does not drop everything, and just hitting on a few long plays like that can soften up defenses.

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I don't know what they're going to do with him," Duper said. "It would be a waste of talent if they don't do something with him because the kid can play. He just had a tough year. Maybe next year he'll come back and redeem himself."

Duper said he was surprised the Dolphins didn't use Ginn's speed to stretch the field more once Chad Henne took over in Week 3. Ginn had just two catches of longer than 19 yards after Henne's promotion: the 53-yard TD in the first Jets game and a 35-yard grab against the Texans. There was also a 62-yard TD against Houston that was wiped out by that tripping penalty on Lousaka Polite.

"Yeah, I’d throw the deep ball a little bit more to him," Duper said. "The more you throw the deep ball, the better it is."

Where has the blistering speed been in Arizona the past few years with Boldin and Fitzgerald?

Who is the speed merchant in Indy's passing game?

Speed is nice, but not the biggest requirement, especially if you have a player like Ginn who still doesn't know how to use his speed appropriately as it pertains to route running.

Besides, who is to say the #1 WR we would hypothetically get doesn't bring that speed?

Lastly, if you're the coach of this team and in training camp you have Cam, Bess an Hartline catching everything thrown their way and Ginn continuing to be inconsistent, do you still choose Ginn over one of those other guys just because he can run fast in a straight line?

Good points... I'm just a little bias towards keeping Ginn... even though he's ticked me off as much as the next guy from his performance... I'd like to see him be something...

I'd hate to say it... but from those stats you'd have to get rid of Camarillo. He's very consistent and reliable... but Bess, Cam and Hartline are very much the same style of players... at least Ginn brings that speed element to the equation... the addition of a true #1 might lead to the loss of Camarillo.

Camarillo was at 83.3 percent in ATT/Rec at one point late in the season. Bess was at 72.0 percent, Hartline wasnt listed as he never was the true starter. But Ginn was at 44.2 percent...

You can have all the speed in the world, but something is not clicking, it is painfully obvious. Whether its Henne overthrowing the deep routes, or throwing the ball too hard on the quick slants, or his ball position is off. Something has to be said when 2 of your receivers are at 72% and 83& and the 3rd is at 44% in completions...

If we are going to blame delivery, why are the other guys catching the ball so much more consistently?

This artical was posted on Nov 11. At that time Camarillo wa the most efficient WR in the NFL with 83%, the sad part is the coaching staff has all this hope for Ginn like many of us do (or have had for some like me) and he is getting all these balls thrown to him.

I mean they are fast compared to the average person, but when you compare those three guys to speed merchants like Ginn, Desean Jackson, Derrius Heyward-Bey... you're talking about a different of more than 1/10th of a 2nd, which is substantial.

I mean they are fast compared to the average person, but when you compare those three guys to speed merchants like Ginn, Desean Jackson, Derrius Heyward-Bey... you're talking about a different of more than 1/10th of a 2nd, which is substantial.

I don't care what Garcon ran...that guy does have blazing speed. Maybe not Ginn speed, but he does have real good speed non the less.

Getting behind defenses is not necessarily a matter of speed. Jerry Rice did it his entire career and was not a speed merchant. Cris Carter did it his entire career and was not a speed merchant.

And I saw Reggie Wayne's entire college career and trust me, he is not a speed merchant.

All three are/were very good route runners who sell their routes, get the DBs going one way, change directions and create space.

Speed is not required to get behind defenses. Route running, which includes the ability to sell the route to misdirect the corner, is.

I can't see the video because I am at work, so I can't comment on it. But one clip does not prove anything. Even Oronde Gadsden (actually in his first NFL game) has beaten a defensive back over the top.