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Title: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 02:41:57 pm

This is the most important post on this site. God has given me new wisdom on things such as Joan of Arc, Roman Catholicism, and who the rightful heir to the throne of England is. This is so important that it should also be quoted on Fstdt so that the people who know me there will see the important news and I pray that it shall be used to get you all to convert to the correct denomination of Christianity.

So I have been studying the case of Joan of Arc and have realized that her trial was one sided, in violation of Church law and unfair and that Joan of Arc genuinely believed that her visions from God were real. Nevertheless I was still pondering why the Catholic Church thinks that God used her to help save France in the Hundred Year War. After all, the Plantegenet monarchs had a greater legitimate claim to the throne of France than the French Valois monarchs. Why would God want to intervene in a war that was not started for religious reason?

Besides the evil King Phillip IV of France was the one who falsely accused the Holy Monastarial Order, the Knights Templar, of heresy as an excuse to confiscate their money and had them arrested and burned at the stake. The Catholic Church today recognizes that the charges were false and that the Pope lived in Avignon France and was therefore unable to stop what happened.

And during the Western Schism from 1378 to 1417, it was England that was on the side of the legitimate Roman Popes and France that was on the side of the Avignon antipopes.

So why again, would God chose Joan of Arc to liberate France from the English?

Well I have done more research into English history and and specifically the time period from 1135 to 1154 known as the anarchy. King Henry I’s only legitimate son William Adelin died in a shipwreck accident in 1120, so he nominated his daughter Matilda as his heir. However after his death in 1135, the corrupt nobles decided to crown Henry’s nephew Stephen King causing a civil war ending in a treaty in 1153 where Matilda’s son Henry Plantagenet was named his successor and succeeded Stephen as Henry II.

That means that Edward III’s misogynist decree in 1376 that limited succession to male heirs, was a change in the fundamental laws of England. This means that the Yorkist claim to the throne was more legitimate than the Lancasterian claim.

So during the time of Joan of Arc, King Henry VI on the branch of the illegitimate Lancasterian userpers was King of England at that time. He was also a child at that time, so England was under the control of various corrupt regents, and the clergy was corrupt at that time. That must be the reason why God had Joan of Arc save France from being in their corrupt hands even if it meant it being put in the hands of the House of Valois.

So because of that, I converted back to Roman Catholicism and today after Mass, I did a major confession today to my priest for my apostasy and masterbations I did when I left Roman Catholicism. It was the Yorkists that were the rightful heirs to the English and French thrones, not the Lancasterians.

You might think that because Edward IV’s daughter Elizabeth of York married King Henry VII, it means the line of York continues through the descendants of Henry VII. Well actually, Tony Robinson’s documentary Britain’s Real Monarch, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7DCasz6oeL4, exposes that Richard of York, the first Yorkist claimant to the throne was cuckolded and Edward IV was not his son. Because of that, George Plantagenet Duke of Clarence and his decendants should have inherited the throne. That might be why George rebelled against Edward IV. Following Primogeniture under Common Law, this Australian aristocrat is the rightful heir to the thrones of England and France. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Abney-Hastings,_15th_Earl_of_Loudoun

So I pray for you all to convert to Roman Catholicism so you can enjoy the paradise of heaven instead of being in hell which the chief punishment is eternal separation from God which is not cruel or unusual like the horrific false doctrine of literal fire and brimstone that the Protestants teach.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: ironbite on July 08, 2018, 03:04:37 pm

No because she’s from a Greek Orthodox side of the family, not Roman Catholic so it might cause tensions in what religion to raise the children in, like what happened with her Greek Orthodox Grandfather and Roman Catholic Grandmother who is my paternal grandfather’s sister.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2018, 03:35:19 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 04:23:35 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 05:01:40 pm

Are you a deep cover rabid anti-Catholic athiest who's trying to reinforce antipathy to religion in general and Catholicism specifically? If so, splendid job!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2018, 05:28:13 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Because your posts have the same feeling of sheer insane lunacy.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 05:30:38 pm

Jacob, have you ever battled the Leviathan by any chance?

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:43:57 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Because your posts have the same feeling of sheer insane lunacy.

But I’m not a crazy conspiracy theorist young flat earther like Scrivener is, and my typing is way more coherent.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:51:49 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Because your posts have the same feeling of sheer insane lunacy.

But I’m not a crazy conspiracy theorist young flat earther like Scrivener is, and my typing is way more coherent.

Writing well and not believing the same particular crazy things that Scrivener believes does not make you not a lunatic.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 06:28:30 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Because your posts have the same feeling of sheer insane lunacy.

But I’m not a crazy conspiracy theorist young flat earther like Scrivener is, and my typing is way more coherent.

Writing well and not believing the same particular crazy things that Scrivener believes does not make you not a lunatic.

How is this post lunacy?

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2018, 06:34:00 pm

Jakey-boy here is starting to remind me of Patrick Scrivener (from Reformation on the FSTDT mainpage).

How do I remind you of the mentally insane Protestant nut job Patrick Scrivener(who I quoted often on Fstdt before I was banned) I am Catholic, don’t have the same typing style and I don’t promote insane conspiracy theories about the Jesuits and the British.

Because your posts have the same feeling of sheer insane lunacy.

But I’m not a crazy conspiracy theorist young flat earther like Scrivener is, and my typing is way more coherent.

Writing well and not believing the same particular crazy things that Scrivener believes does not make you not a lunatic.

How is this post lunacy?

If nothing else, you are making at least one completely unfounded assumption.

(Yes, at some level all religion is lunacy, in that they make claims that are either "not evidently true or evidently not true".

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 06:38:02 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 07:09:56 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 07:14:27 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Those houses gained "legitimacy" only because they were the most violent bastards left standing after the fall of the Roman Empire and it's the more traditionalist Catholics like Australia's own George Pell who've been covering up for the kiddy diddlers and worse! Vatican 2 was, what 1962? Well reports of child sexual abuse go back to at least the 1940s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases)

If you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of unearned, inherited power the RCC is a terrible, terrible example.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 08:27:52 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Those houses gained "legitimacy" only because they were the most violent bastards left standing after the fall of the Roman Empire and it's the more traditionalist Catholics like Australia's own George Pell who've been covering up for the kiddy diddlers and worse! Vatican 2 was, what 1962? Well reports of child sexual abuse go back to at least the 1940s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases)

If you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of unearned, inherited power the RCC is a terrible, terrible example.

They gained legitimacy because they helped form new nations after the fall of Rome.

The issue of pedophile priests goes back to the 1940s when pedophiles began infiltrating the Church, as well as corrupt clergy who were covering up but it wasn’t until after Vatican 2, that the Popes themselves became involved in covering it up.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 08:33:32 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Those houses gained "legitimacy" only because they were the most violent bastards left standing after the fall of the Roman Empire and it's the more traditionalist Catholics like Australia's own George Pell who've been covering up for the kiddy diddlers and worse! Vatican 2 was, what 1962? Well reports of child sexual abuse go back to at least the 1940s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases)

If you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of unearned, inherited power the RCC is a terrible, terrible example.

They gained legitimacy because they helped form new nations after the fall of Rome.

The issue of pedophile priests goes back to the 1940s when pedophiles began infiltrating the Church, as well as corrupt clergy who were covering up but it wasn’t until after Vatican 2, that the Popes themselves became involved in covering it up.

They gained "legitimacy" because "might is right," oh please!

The RCC was less open to covering up abuse when it was less transparent and less open to question, PLEASE! Stop.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 08, 2018, 08:37:09 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Those houses gained "legitimacy" only because they were the most violent bastards left standing after the fall of the Roman Empire and it's the more traditionalist Catholics like Australia's own George Pell who've been covering up for the kiddy diddlers and worse! Vatican 2 was, what 1962? Well reports of child sexual abuse go back to at least the 1940s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases)

If you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of unearned, inherited power the RCC is a terrible, terrible example.

They gained legitimacy because they helped form new nations after the fall of Rome.

The issue of pedophile priests goes back to the 1940s when pedophiles began infiltrating the Church, as well as corrupt clergy who were covering up but it wasn’t until after Vatican 2, that the Popes themselves became involved in covering it up.

If legitimacy can be gained, then it follows that it can also be lost. Or do you think it's permanent?

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 09:07:30 pm

Your post boils down to two different mobs of thugs killing over scraps of dirt in medieval Europe and which inbred thug clan gets to inherit it.

All of this is supposed to make us:

Give a shit

Give it legitimacy

Subscribe to an archaic religion run by pederasts

Look around at your intended audience, this is FSTDT. If you expect that pile of festering old tumors and bat droppings to turn anybody's head around and make them convert to Roman Catholicism, you are a fucking lunatic!

It wasn’t war between thugs, it was a war between a legitimate house, and an illegitimate house over the throne of England.

The Roman Catholic Church unfortunetely has pederasts in the clergy and those that cover for them, but that is because the Church liberalized when they had the Second Vatican Council which changed the traditions of the Church and they started ordaining liberal pederasts into the clergy. The scandal did not exist before Vatican 2, and in the Midieval times, pederasts priests would be burned at the stake.

Those houses gained "legitimacy" only because they were the most violent bastards left standing after the fall of the Roman Empire and it's the more traditionalist Catholics like Australia's own George Pell who've been covering up for the kiddy diddlers and worse! Vatican 2 was, what 1962? Well reports of child sexual abuse go back to at least the 1940s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases)

If you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of unearned, inherited power the RCC is a terrible, terrible example.

They gained legitimacy because they helped form new nations after the fall of Rome.

The issue of pedophile priests goes back to the 1940s when pedophiles began infiltrating the Church, as well as corrupt clergy who were covering up but it wasn’t until after Vatican 2, that the Popes themselves became involved in covering it up.

They gained "legitimacy" because "might is right," oh please!

The RCC was less open to covering up abuse when it was less transparent and less open to question, PLEASE! Stop.

1. Well legitimacy is gained once tribes get united into a Kingdom like what happened with the Franks.

2. There is no evidence that the issue happened before the 1940s which the records of the issues date back to. It wasn’t until 1962 when the Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete brought the issue to the Vatican which by then fallen under corruption because that was the year that Vatican 2 began.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 09:24:12 pm

Is ISIS legitmate because it's a coalition of Theocrats and Saddam-era disgruntled regime lackeys cobbled together into a makeshift government? Nah.

The Catholic Church was literally above reproach for most of it's history, anybody accusing it's functionaries of wrongdoing risked very real reprucussions-particularly in your beloved Middle Ages. And I'll.refer you to the Pentinential Books, specifically the Pentinetiale Bede which details, among other things, accusations of sexual relations between priests and children. (http://www.crusadeagainstclergyabuse.com/htm/AShortHistory.htm) That was in the 8th Century.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 09, 2018, 08:56:59 am

Is ISIS legitmate because it's a coalition of Theocrats and Saddam-era disgruntled regime lackeys cobbled together into a makeshift government? Nah.

The Catholic Church was literally above reproach for most of it's history, anybody accusing it's functionaries of wrongdoing risked very real reprucussions-particularly in your beloved Middle Ages. And I'll.refer you to the Pentinential Books, specifically the Pentinetiale Bede which details, among other things, accusations of sexual relations between priests and children. (http://www.crusadeagainstclergyabuse.com/htm/AShortHistory.htm) That was in the 8th Century.

But ISIS seized power from the legitimate government of Iraq. The Kingdoms of Europe formed from uniting tribes.

And back in the 8th century, those crimes were punished much more harshly. This is what it says on the site.

“The earliest recorded church legislation is from the council of Elvira (Spain, 306 AD). Half of the canons passed dealt with sexual behavior of one kind or another and included penalties assessed for clerics who committed adultery or fornication. Though it did not make specific mention of homosexual activities by the clergy, this early Council reflected the church’s official attitude toward same-sex relationships: men who had sex with young boys were deprived of communion even on their deathbed.”

“The Council of Elvira was not the only source of early legislative attempts to curb the sexual misdeeds of the clergy. Other gatherings of bishops throughout the Christian world, which encompassed what are now Western Europe, Northern Africa, the Middle East and the British Isles, passed laws attempting to stamp out clerical concubinage, clerical fornication and homosexual activity.”

“Given the poor state of communications at the time it is remarkable that the various councils and synods produced disciplinary legislation similar in tone.”

“The Penitential of Bede (England, 8th century) advises that clerics who commit sodomy with young boys be given increasingly severe penances commensurate with their rank, the higher ranking (bishops) receiving harsher penalties.”

“The most authoritative source is the Decree of Gratian already mentioned. Though mandatory celibacy had been decreed by the 2nd Lateran Council in 1139, this law was received with neither universal acceptance nor obedience. Medieval scholars attest that clerical concubinage was commonplace. Adultery, casual sex with unmarried women and homosexual relationships were rampant. Gratian devoted entire sections to disciplinary legislation which attempted to curb all of these vices. He demanded that the punishment for sexual transgressions be more severe for clerics than for lay men. His treatment of same-sex activities was less extensive than that of other celibacy violations, yet his attitude is evident because he cited the ancient Roman law opinion that stuprum pueri, the sexual violation of young boys, be punished by death.”

“Many monasteries passed local regulations in attempts to curb the rampant abuses. In his Rule, Benedict commanded that no two monks were to sleep in the same bed. Night lights were to be kept burning and the monks were to sleep clothed. Many monasteries enacted their own rules forbidding various kinds of sexual behavior and added punishments that were often more severe than those meted out to the secular clerics.”

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 09:05:28 am

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 09, 2018, 12:59:58 pm

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

It also shows that they were dealt with more harshly before Vatican 2. Any large institution will have some cases of sexual predators. What matters more is the policies on how to minimize it and punish the predators.

And the governments of Europe were not coalitions of warlords, they were nations with the King, a bureaucracy, and the rule of law. All nations were founded when different groups United. There was the rule of law and it only sucked badly for the people if the monarch was an exceptional tyrant, and in those cases, those monarchs were overthrown.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: ironbite on July 09, 2018, 04:06:17 pm

Still not aware how this is not about fucking your second cousin.

Ironbite-time's a ticking man.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 06:39:23 pm

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

It also shows that they were dealt with more harshly before Vatican 2. Any large institution will have some cases of sexual predators. What matters more is the policies on how to minimize it and punish the predators.

And the governments of Europe were not coalitions of warlords, they were nations with the King, a bureaucracy, and the rule of law. All nations were founded when different groups United. There was the rule of law and it only sucked badly for the people if the monarch was an exceptional tyrant, and in those cases, those monarchs were overthrown.

A king is a bloody warlord, that's what kings are. That's why your ancestors fought to kick one out because they didn't want to be answerable to an unelected, unrepresentative fucking warlord.

And if you were sufficiently powerful and influential like Pope Boniface VIII (https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unforgivable-things-the-catholic-church-has-done/lea-rose-emery), you could get away with all the kiddy diddling, raping and crimes against humanity you liked and only be tried after your death, if at all!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 07:16:45 pm

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

It also shows that they were dealt with more harshly before Vatican 2. Any large institution will have some cases of sexual predators. What matters more is the policies on how to minimize it and punish the predators.

And the governments of Europe were not coalitions of warlords, they were nations with the King, a bureaucracy, and the rule of law. All nations were founded when different groups United. There was the rule of law and it only sucked badly for the people if the monarch was an exceptional tyrant, and in those cases, those monarchs were overthrown.

A king is a bloody warlord, that's what kings are. That's why your ancestors fought to kick one out because they didn't want to be answerable to an unelected, unrepresentative fucking warlord.

And if you were sufficiently powerful and influential like Pope Boniface VIII (https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unforgivable-things-the-catholic-church-has-done/lea-rose-emery), you could get away with all the kiddy diddling, raping and crimes against humanity you liked and only be tried after your death, if at all!

That's not entirely true. A king is only a warlord if he has actual power. If not, then he's just a figurehead.

And Boniface VIII wasn't the only horrible pope. John XII was a rapist, and Alexander VI had people killed on trumped-up charges so he could get their wealth.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 09, 2018, 07:34:58 pm

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

It also shows that they were dealt with more harshly before Vatican 2. Any large institution will have some cases of sexual predators. What matters more is the policies on how to minimize it and punish the predators.

And the governments of Europe were not coalitions of warlords, they were nations with the King, a bureaucracy, and the rule of law. All nations were founded when different groups United. There was the rule of law and it only sucked badly for the people if the monarch was an exceptional tyrant, and in those cases, those monarchs were overthrown.

A king is a bloody warlord, that's what kings are. That's why your ancestors fought to kick one out because they didn't want to be answerable to an unelected, unrepresentative fucking warlord.

And if you were sufficiently powerful and influential like Pope Boniface VIII (https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unforgivable-things-the-catholic-church-has-done/lea-rose-emery), you could get away with all the kiddy diddling, raping and crimes against humanity you liked and only be tried after your death, if at all!

That's not entirely true. A king is only a warlord if he has actual power. If not, then he's just a figurehead.

And Boniface VIII wasn't the only horrible pope. John XII was a rapist, and Alexander VI had people killed on trumped-up charges so he could get their wealth.

And Karol Wojtyla ignored kiddy diddling, Josef Ratzinger covered it up, and Jorge Bergoglio said that victims were slandering their rapist.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 07:41:41 pm

Sure modern monarchs like those in modern Europe are figureheads but in Saudi Arabia and Thailand they aren't. The original kings, the ones Jacob likes were defined by the fact that they were the lords with the greatest combination of strategic alliances and brute force which is the world he wants to return to!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 09, 2018, 08:57:51 pm

Sure modern monarchs like those in modern Europe are figureheads but in Saudi Arabia and Thailand they aren't. The original kings, the ones Jacob likes were defined by the fact that they were the lords with the greatest combination of strategic alliances and brute force which is the world he wants to return to!

Well, Liechtenstein's prince isn't a figurehead either, to be fair. (And apparently his people like him enough that when he threatened to take all his stuff and live in Austria unless they voted to give him more power... they gave him more power.)

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 09, 2018, 09:07:50 pm

Your copy paste abilities are impressive and only demonstrate that priests were diddling kiddies centuries before Vatican 2.

And one coalition of warlords is much like any other, for the poor blighters that live under them.

It also shows that they were dealt with more harshly before Vatican 2. Any large institution will have some cases of sexual predators. What matters more is the policies on how to minimize it and punish the predators.

And the governments of Europe were not coalitions of warlords, they were nations with the King, a bureaucracy, and the rule of law. All nations were founded when different groups United. There was the rule of law and it only sucked badly for the people if the monarch was an exceptional tyrant, and in those cases, those monarchs were overthrown.

A king is a bloody warlord, that's what kings are. That's why your ancestors fought to kick one out because they didn't want to be answerable to an unelected, unrepresentative fucking warlord.

And if you were sufficiently powerful and influential like Pope Boniface VIII (https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unforgivable-things-the-catholic-church-has-done/lea-rose-emery), you could get away with all the kiddy diddling, raping and crimes against humanity you liked and only be tried after your death, if at all!

The google definition of a warlord is “A military commander, especially an aggressive regional commander with individual autonomy.” Kings were national leaders not regional commanders. And had it not been for uniting tribes through alliances and conquest, how else would the nations of Europe be founded? And the monarchies I want restored to their thrones are the legitimate heirs to the throne of England and therefore France because of English claims to the French throne. England had a greater concept of liberties of the people coming from Anglo Saxon culture and the Magna Carta.

Yes there were evil Popes like Boniface VIII and most Catholics acknowledge that. However while Democracy is also a great system of government, evil people can use that system and avoid being held accountable as well. Every form of government is prone to corruption.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 09:16:49 pm

When power flows from one held to be infallible then accountabililty is a heck of a lot more difficult than if it's investes in elected officials and the fuedal system beloved of archaic anti-liberty types like ypu was just a pyramid of warlords with the biggest, baddest warlord sitting on top of the pile until he died of old age or someone else killed him off.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 10, 2018, 08:33:07 am

When power flows from one held to be infallible then accountabililty is a heck of a lot more difficult than if it's investes in elected officials and the fuedal system beloved of archaic anti-liberty types like ypu was just a pyramid of warlords with the biggest, baddest warlord sitting on top of the pile until he died of old age or someone else killed him off.

When power flows from one held to be infallible then accountabililty is a heck of a lot more difficult than if it's investes in elected officials and the fuedal system beloved of archaic anti-liberty types like ypu was just a pyramid of warlords with the biggest, baddest warlord sitting on top of the pile until he died of old age or someone else killed him off.

You don’t understand what the doctrine of Papal Infallibility actually is.

“Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

So the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Popes are infallible. Some of them like Boniface VIII were pure evil. In fact all the post Vatican 2 Popes are wicked heretics for liberalizing the Church changing the sacred traditions, as well as knowingly covering up the pedophilia scandal.

I took sociology as a college course and see that you view past societies using the conflict perspective instead of the structural functionalist perspective. The feudal system while backward by today’s standards was a modernizing reform because after the fall of Rome, civilization went backwards and tribal, so feudalism was actually a modernization. Besides the feudal system in Merry Old England was better than the other countries because of the Anglo Saxon traditions of individual liberties and the Magna Carta that made it so that there was a House of Lords and a House of Commons meaning that the commoners had representation in the Parliament bureaucracy.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 10, 2018, 10:17:27 am

Soo, infallible until they become sufficiently unpopular amongst a critical mass of rivals able to unseat them. Very George R. R. Martin.

Who gives a shit? Papal psuedolegal sophistry just allows for loopholes for the powerful in that wretched organisation to change their own rules when they feel like it, funny how they're loath to change them to meet the needs of their congregation that they keep literally screwing!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 10, 2018, 01:55:08 pm

Soo, infallible until they become sufficiently unpopular amongst a critical mass of rivals able to unseat them. Very George R. R. Martin.

Who gives a shit? Papal psuedolegal sophistry just allows for loopholes for the powerful in that wretched organisation to change their own rules when they feel like it, funny how they're loath to change them to meet the needs of their congregation that they keep literally screwing!

Ugh you have poor reading comprehension skills. What I pasted said that the Pope is infallible when defining a doctrine concerning faith or moral when in the exersice of his office. That rarely happens.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 10, 2018, 07:03:30 pm

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: dpareja on July 10, 2018, 08:47:54 pm

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

You'd better hurry up and marry her. I hear niam's on his way...

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 11, 2018, 08:06:45 am

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

You'd better hurry up and marry her. I hear niam's on his way...

How does Niam know where she is on the large peninsula of Cape Cod?!

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 11, 2018, 09:33:53 am

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

You'd better hurry up and marry her. I hear niam's on his way...

How does Niam know where she is on the large peninsula of Cape Cod?!

Bit late to be asking that question Jacob.

I saw.

I conquered.

I came.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 11, 2018, 06:15:52 pm

It means that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is always right or moral, or cannot be questioned, all it means is that any doctrine defined by the Pope when speaking Ex Cathedra concerning faith or morals to be upheld by the entire church is infallible. The last time Papal Infallibility was used was in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defines the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.

And I am not thinking of my cousin anymore until you guys keep bringing it up. She committed a sin and God forgives her when she confesses her sins, and I forgive her.

You'd better hurry up and marry her. I hear niam's on his way...

How does Niam know where she is on the large peninsula of Cape Cod?!

Bit late to be asking that question Jacob.

I saw.

I conquered.

I came.

So your saying you already had sex with her? To prove your telling the truth, tell me her name.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: niam2023 on July 12, 2018, 03:06:44 am

I owe you nothing piggy.

She's a moaner.

Title: Re: The most important post on this thread!
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 12, 2018, 08:32:33 am