Dialogue meeting postponed after HH and President Lungu fail to guarantee their attendance

FILE: President Lungu greets UPND president Hakainde Hichilema during the memorial service of the Late President Michael Chilufya Sata at St Ignatius Catholic Church in Lusaka
Zambia Centre for Inter-party Dialogue (ZCID) has adjourned the planned National Indaba which was to be held at Mulungushi Conference Centre from 20-21st October, 2016,to a date which will be announced later.

ZCID Spokesperson, Edwin Sakala said that the two days summit which was to call various stakeholders, including church mother bodies, NGOs, and all political parties to come together and provide a platform for the nation to heal has been postponed.

Mr. Sakala, disclosed this in statement issued to ZANIS, yesterday in Lusaka.

“ZCID has been forced to postpone the summit due to the lack of assurance that the two key stakeholders namely President Edgar Lungu Patriotic Front Party (PF) President and Hichilema Hakainde, United Party for National Development (UPND) leader would personally attend and participate,” read the statement.

He further added that ZCID wishes to meet the two leaders and get their firm commitment that they will uphold the spirit of genuine dialogue at which leaders should meet and discuss issues in the national interest and above personal and partisan interest.

“All political politicians in Zambia should work towards promoting unity and peace in the country because the absence of the two can easily compromise the future of the country “said Mr. Sakala.

Mr. Sakala said that the aim of the summit is bring together all political parties and stakeholders in order to dialogue for the nation to remain peaceful and stable.

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How is this about HH only? Id you read yhe article or maybe those are the first initials that are stuck on your lips?
More over, yhis indaba won't mean anything, it won't bring any results. So many people have said it...if Lungu wanted to end violence, he would have ended it (even after the first indaba) but Lungu is a product of it.

If I were Edgar Lungu, I wouldn't dare come even a mile closer to such an event. As you can already see from the two UPND sycophants above (@Spark... and @HH Lover...), their aim wouldn't be really to dialogue. But to use such events as a means of LEGITIMISING their FAILED PROJECT; crowning their Little Prince (HH) as President. In their demented way of thinking, ECL is ILLEGITIMATE and can only draw his legitimacy by COWTAILING to the whims of Sunny Chintobwa Hichilema.
The only dialogue HH needs is with what BEDEVILS HIM EVERY NIGHT WHEN HE GOES TO BED. Among these are: OVERSIZED PRIDE, WARPED POLITICS, RUDENESS, LACK OF HUMILITY, UNCOUTH LANGUAGE/ATTITUDE, DANGEROUS SENSE OF IMPORTANCE, GLUTTONOUS APPETITE FOR POWER, Extra. This is what will work, nothing else!

I urge my president not accept any dialogue with these thugs. This is not dialogue at but a simple dictation that HH must accept the outcome of the result to reduce political risk so that PF can go another spending spree.
HH should only start dialogue these thugs after they allow rule of law to prevail and let the petition to be heard in full and all the evidence presented to be considered without any bias.
PF minions who thought HH is not a factor are now fast realising that HH is a major factor in how the PF thugs will negotiate for any bailout.
All these calls for dialogue are just a sham.Please HH MY PRESIDENT not be f00led like Morgan Tswangirai of Zimbabwe who went globe trotting begining on behalf of Mugabe and then as a token of thanks Mugabe killed his wife so that...

All these calls for dialogue are just a sham.Please HH MY PRESIDENT not be f00led like Morgan Tswangirai of Zimbabwe who went globe trotting begining on behalf of Mugabe and then as a token of thanks Mugabe killed his wife so that Morgan could be paired with a ZANU-PF woman to completely eliminate him.
Please HH and GBM do not part of these thugs. They stole our victory and so let them enjoy it without your input.
I suspect they want kill HH after this so that no one will say HH was killed by Lungu because they reconciled.
PF is feeling the heat. It does not want tp shoulder the blame alone for the impending down fall of the Zambian economy.
HH did not agree to this madness all so stop mentioning his name. Those tuntemba party leaders who want dialogue with lungu should go...

HH did not agree to this madness all so stop mentioning his name. Those tuntemba party leaders who want dialogue with lungu should go ahead because is not factor according PF minions.
NO DIALOGUE WITHOUT CONCLUDING THE PETITION. WHY NOW PF, WHY IS PF SHOWING DESPERATION TO RECONCILE WITH HH?
GBM AND HH DO NOT UPSET US YOUR SUPPORTERS BY ALLOWING PF THUGS TO MANIPULATE YOU.

The UPND can never recognise the president because they promised not to recognise him way before elections.
So can such stance be of any concern to anybody? Definitely no one in zambia (apart from their loyal supporters) would be concerned about a baseless, pre-detrrmined and pre-decided failure to accept defeat.
Not even the international community would bother about UPND's mischief.
Have you heard anyone from the international community support HH’s conduct? Instead they are busy congratulating the president, and committing themselves to helping Zambia financially.
Even his solicited arrest in Luanshya, nobody in civil societies, nor the international community bothered commenting about. They all know that mischief is mischief.

Exactly, what does violent ridden HH represent? What has Kalusa got to offer for Zambia nanga? You hopeless HH supporters, school me. Who is HH? How many wives has he got? Any children and how many? How many farm managers has he got? How many awards has he got in his field? Who are his parents? Any siblings; if any what are their status? Any girl friends? Is he straight or gay? Any charity or donations- of goods or material not blood? Any recognition? Who is HH in short?

UPND IS NOW NO LONGER A MARE POLITICAL PARTY, BUT IT IS A FREEDOM MOVEMENT FOR OUR DEMOCRACY IN ZAMBIA. LUNGU HAS MAIMED AND DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY AND ALL ITS DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. ZAMBIANS ARE AGITATED, AND HH IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE, HE IS OUR LEADER, THE MILLIONS OF US.

The IMF should not release any money to PF until governance improves in Zambia. In fact, the west should be applying sanctions against Lungu and PF for poor governance, closing independent media and throttling down on liberties as they did in Luanshya.

Former Orthodox Bishop Edward Chomba has told the Lusaka High court judge Mwila Chitabo that opposition UPND Leader Hakainde Hichilema is a satanist who joined the cult in April, 1999 and was initiated from Eagle Lodge Number 7232EC which is the grand Lodge in Zambia, and has been a congregant of the Masons Temple located in Cha Cha Cha road, Lusaka.The former Bishop has maintained that Mr Hakainde’s membership is confirmed by the list and register of the freemasons in Zambia.
This is a case were the UPND leader has sued Bishop Chomba for referring to him as a satanist who drinks blood.
Do you think this is true or lie?????????????

Why do you blame HH when even Mr. Lungu doesn't want to attend? Was it not ECL calling for peace, and is he leading by example and by his words? So for him not to confirm his participation what does it show or tell you?

Why should ECL accept such invitations to sit down and talk with somebody (HH) who poo pooed similar events before? What assurance does Lungu have that this won't be just a waste of his time as usual? In fact, what dialogue can one have with somebody who even refuses to acknowledge the BRUTALISATION of his fellow Citizens in his so called strongholds on mere suspicion that they don't hail from those areas? To date, not a single official word about these events from either HH or UPND. So how do you really expect an organization and leader of such a Political Party to genuinely DIALOGUE with anybody? Reconciliation should be something both parties sincerely engage in---it is NOT A ONE WAY STREET!

By the way, if I may ask, what exactly is ECL suppose to reconcile with HH/GBV about? Is it about him being elected by 50.4% majority Zambians? Or is it about HH/GBV going around breaking Laws at will? I just don't get why a CLEAR WINNER of elections should be indulging LOSERS by according them audience they don't deserve. If HH/GBV want to carry on with their misplaced BRAVADO, Zambia has Laws to deal with that. Reconciliation Fimo Fimo is not the way to deal with EGOMANIACS who just want to be seen.
These two know exactly what they are doing. We also know because they told the ENTIRE WORLD, even before a single vote was cast on August 11, what they will do in the event they lost the election. And this is exactly what they are doing---MAKING LUNGU'S PRESIDENCY AS DIFFICULT AS THEY...

Kanene and Yambayamba
HH is not the one calling this madness all. Its sinkamba who is fighting for recognition for his kantemba party in collusion with PF stooges who know that with HH accepting the elections no lender will give money to PF on favourable terms because political risk.
So get it in small heads and stop blaming HH for not attending.Us UPND are interested in fake dialogue.

@Muntu Wanzelu, please, read my comment and you will notice that I am not blaming HH.
Otherwise, I will remove "Wa" and replace it with something else.
Please, refer to Mr. Yambayamba, he can not comment objectively, the same accusations without proof.

I do not think HH and ECL need these fake Civil Society org to reconcile them. HH and ECL please keep away from these chancers. In an election there is always a winner and loser. Losers will always claim their vote was stolen especially in a highly contested election. And UPND and PF supporters will always support their presidents.

Why should hh reduce himself by meeting an illegal president .lungu is not even a tiny inch of a man in comparison to the successful hh. If hh stopped paying taxes this country would collapse. So who is more important Kiki. Also let me warn those pf cadres threatening Larry mweetwa who is arriving from London. Let me warn you that upnd youth wing will deal with you should u lay a finger on that young man. Ask max chongo how we got him beaten for silly behaviour

Tell him to take his BUSINESSES elsewhere, nobody cares! By the way, what businesses does hh have here in zambia because I don't know any physical business associated with him except these mental constructions of saying he shares here and there bla bla!

Clearly you care as you wouldn't have commented. You have no idea about how the tax system works because one doesn't need to even physically own a company to pay tax although hh does own companies. This is the problem when poverty eats you brain. You have clearly chosen to not take an interest on knowing who hh really is. So how in the hell did you make an informed decision as who to vote for in august. This is why I believe that we need to restrict voting to those with a minimum of grade 12 certificate. You are indeed an example of an ignorant hyena. Can you please go and research about hh them come comment.

Haha! Ignorant hyena, at least I don't worship anybody like you do. Daily you are on this cite trying hard to defend a delusional fellow, whatever he feeds you with I wouldn't know! As for me Am self sufficient and feed my family from my own sweat, therefore, I don't look to any selfish politician for favours. If you are not hh himself I would advise you to look beyond that man. You just discover some form of satisfaction away from affiliating yourself to a human being like you and whose really past dealings you know not of! Look at yourself as a man/woman capable of making it in life with much more credibility than what he has probably done himself.

By way @ Nez!
At the time when most of my close friends were urging me to stay for good in USA I refused and told them that my prospects in life are at home in Zambia, and you know what, last week I just sold one thousand bags of maize and that is beside a comfortable employment I have which is not associated with politics! Think independently and follow your own paths in life, then you will avoid a great deal of frustrations in life!

First of all push for the hearing of the petition then talk about dialogue. Double standards by these tuma organisations that are meaningless. You should have put pressure on Lungu to obey the law not looking for stupid ways to make him legitimate.

No need to force hh to recognize the president. Let hh continue leaving in his fantasy world nobody cares the country will still move on. It doesn't depend on hh. As long as I don't feed from hh's table he is a nobody to me except to his followers.

But ecl is an iPresident. He must first remove the illigality from his presidency. I don't trust this Sakala guy. I'm sure Edgar wants to plead for forgiveness for stealing the votes. The guilty are always afraid and bound to make silly decisions like listen to fools for advise.

Time for dialogue has already passed. Violence begets violence. The brutalizing of cadres falling off a moving van by LUNGU's Police in Luanshya & the beating & stripping naked of Komboni Radio director is just EVIL.
We have to arm our cadres. If Max Chongo & PF cadres have guns, why can't we arm our cadres? This non-violence approach is not gonna work.
We need to reclaim our country N/W Rhodesia from MIGRANT ROGUE TRIBES from N/E Rhodesia. These cockroaches have infested our once prosperous nation. LAMBA-LAND, LENJE-LAND, SOLI-LAND is now full of these cockroaches. When u speak Soli in Lusaka, they tell u not to speak IFITUNDU.

What Zambians should be discussing is the failure of Edgar Lungu to uphold the Constitution, the breakdown of the rule of law under the PF, police brutality, the collapse of the judicial system and the collapse of the economy. These issues underpin the country's peace and stability.

You assault cops and dare them deliberately so that when they react you say police brutality! First ask yourself what kind of citizens are you fellows! This country needs credible opposition not one built on pomposity and false elitism!

One was poor until the day privatization started. He went into it stinking poor and came out stinking rich.
Give Akainde the keys to State House and in 5 years we will be talking about a bankrupt country. Even toilet paper will be hard to come by in peoples homes, apart from the ones connected to Echi Echi and GBV.
Is that the country Zambia needs?
The answer is no. Full stop

Dialogue for what naimwe ba ZCID? We have a President in place. HH has lost the elections and all the court cases. When you talk about dialogue you imply a give and take discussion. So what is there to give and take in this case? If it is the case that HH wants a piece of the Presidency tell him that it is jot legally possible. The Zambian constitution only provides for a winner takes all, that is why only one President is sworn in at any given time. The next time is 2021. So please don't waste our time ZCID, we will not even allow our President to attend such a silly meeting. We have more serious business preparing for IMF discussions than attending to cry babies....for the avoidance of doubt tell HH: FORSAKE!!!.......or FUSEKI mucibemba!!!

The organisers of the Indaba are naive and insenstive. How can they choose Mulungushi as a venue where Lungu and ECZ stole the vote from HH? In any case the UPND PETETION has not been heard and disposed. So what is there to dialogue with the illegitimate Lungu and his Election Riggers? No way should HH and GBM associate with the illegal and illegitimate Lungu

@Spaka like lilo:
Who told you we are afraid of a Petition? How can one be afraid of a WISH LIST disguised as a Petition? Have you even taken time to think about why your Martha Mushipe had such a hard time coming up with a solid case to present to Court? Baba, it is because the so called Petition was a freaking wish-list. A wish-list of ALLEGATIONS you hoped the Court Cherry Pick as Evidence to nullify the election. But hey, a Court ain't Santa Claus or Father Christmas who spends time reading requests from four-year olds for Christmas toys---possibly a Toy shaped in the form of a State House---hahahahahahaha!
You people are really DREAMERS on top of being BAD LOSERS!

What's the point of this dialogue? EL has no reason to show up. Elections r ova. Disabled can dialogue with the police. Everywhere Disabled goes, the police will deal with him, fo the next 5 yrs. Chapwa!!!!

WINA is a disgrace to womenfolk. For her to praise the assault & stripping naked of Komboni radio director is just plain EVIL.
Even last year, a woman was stripped naked at her rally just becoz she wore UPND chitenge. She has never condemned the action to this day. Pathetic old rag.
Anyway the Winas are well known SHAMELESS TRAITORS who sold out Barotseland at independence in exchange for Govt jobs.

Yet you don't see anything wrong with HH/UPND sending half-naked women/mothers to parade on the streets for cause only weird minds like yours understand. Talk about someone with a warped sense of morals and outrage!
If you want to show outrage about such things, DON'T BE HYPOCRITICAL about it. You should condemn all and by anybody, maybe then people might take you seriously. Mwanvela ba Anne?

@ Yamba-yamba. Undressing at your own free-will is the opposite of being forced to undress, just like RAPE is the OPPOSITE of CONSENSUAL SEX.
Stop being so thick-headed just becoz u love your leader like a brain-washed North Korean cadre loves Kim Jong Un.

@ Yamba-yamba. Undressing at your own free-will is the opposite of being forced to undress, just like RAPE is the OPPOSITE of CONSENSUAL S3X.
Stop being so thick-headed just becoz u love your leader like a brain-washed North Korean cadre loves Kim Jong Un.

ZCID don't play to the gallery when promoting interparty long overdue dialogue. Do your homework first and announce the meetings later. You very well know that when arranging for such meetings participants want clarity of purpose and clear agenda. Only when purpose and agenda would parties decide level of delighted. Some indabas have to be preceeded by lower de ligation. As ZCID don't fall prey to the PF propaganda machinery where they want to demonise UPND and HH at every opportunity.

Zambia has never been in such a situation as it is before. It has never been so tense, never been so volatile, and the situation has been slowly and steadily worsening. This attitude of treating each other dismissively will not help things. Zambia is indeed in desperate need for dialogue, genuine dialogue. Peace is not something that happens just because someone declares a country a christian nation. It is something people work on to maintain, like a relationship or a marriage. This delela type of attitude that I am reading from some bloggers here and which I see from some political corridors (both ruling and opposition) will not help us in any way. Where is the christian compassion, the christian understanding, the christian love, the christian spirit of concilliation?

As long as the issue of stolen votes is not addressed any form of dialogue is meaningless. The simplest solution is allow HH to be heard in court and convince him that Lungu didn't steal the vote. This problem won't go away until decisive steps are taken to meet it head on instead of trying to wish it away. This is cowardice by the PF govt. Most Zambians are convinced PF/Lungu stole the election until proven otherwise.

The first step mr.Lungu could have taken is to tell HH that look i have been told by ECZ that i have won the elections though I don't know how. But we need to form a cabinet and move on. Give me 8 names from your strong holds I make them nominated mps in the cabinet as we wait for court to resolve the issue of who won.meanwhile we shall call for release of all UPND political detainees to make peace with you.

The seeds of all this gibblish about who won the elections was planted by a judge, Chibomba to be precise. In her tribally inclined thought process she chose to forget that the constitution limits the petition to 14 days. But anyway the other judges saw through her tribal tones and a vote was arranged with the consent and full participation of the judge president herself, Chibomba. Fortunately for us, her participation in the vote by the Concourt to overturn her sole tribal decision made the vote and final decision of the Concourt legitimate, final and legally binding. I have not heard Judge Chibomba or the other dissenting judge raise an issue with that process, thus further confirming its legitimacy. Surely even if they are naturally dull and tribal people in UPND they know from...

Contd... Surely even if they are naturally dull and tribal people in UPND they know from experience that when judges sit as a panel they pass decisions either as unanimous (as in unopposed or no dissent) or by majority decision (vote). But how UPND and its lawyers fail to accept simple facts like this beats me. The trouble with UPND is their tribal thinking process where even the judge president of Concourt or the "learned" professors (Ndulo and Hansungule) or even that so called Doctor of Economics, Habachende, something like that have chosen to be victim of. Education does not seem successful in removing the tribe from the their thought processes. The tribal succession of HH just compiunded matters for them. But we have warned them countless times that with their tribal thinking they...

It seems the thieves are relying on the 14 day technicality.
If lungu won there is no need to rely on 14 day dead lines, just let the early see that the petition has nothing. Let the world see what evidence they have....don't be afraid...only the guilty are afraid.

Contd... The tribal succession of HH just compiunded matters for them. But we have warned them countless times that with their tribal thinking they will never produce a tonga President. A tonga President is not impossible but he or she shall only be chosen as a tribal free process. A tonga process shall never produce a national tonga president, plain and simple, it does not matter how many GBMs you bring to the fore to mask the tribe, Zambians know you inside out and cannot be fooled. If anything, in the this election, GBM was the albatross round the neck of HH, in other words he is the main reason why Kalusa lost for tge sixth time. Also imagine, as running mate, Kalusa made GBM a potential president of Zambia! Surely even tongas cannot serious about that!

Contd... The tribal succession of U5 just compiunded matters for them. But we have warned them countless times that with their tribal thinking they will never produce a tonga President. A tonga President is not impossible but he or she shall only be chosen as a tribal free process. A tonga process shall never produce a national tonga president, plain and simple, it does not matter how many GBMs you bring to the fore to mask the tribe, Zambians know you inside out and cannot be fooled. If anything, in the this election, GBM was the albatross round the neck of U5, in other words he is the main reason why Kalusa lost for tge sixth time. Also imagine, as running mate, Kalusa made GBM a potential president of Zambia! Surely even tongas cannot serious about that!

Contd... The tribal succession of U5 just compiunded matters for them. But we have warned them countless times that with their tribal thinking they will never produce a tribal President. A tribal President is not impossible but he or she shall only be chosen as a tribal free process. A tribal process shall never produce a national tribal president, plain and simple, it does not matter how many GBMs you bring to the fore to mask the tribe, Zambians know you inside out and cannot be fooled. If anything, in the this election, GBM was the albatross round the neck of U5, in other words he is the main reason why Kalusa lost for tge sixth time. Also imagine, as running mate, Kalusa made GBM a potential president of Zambia! Surely even tribal people cannot be serious about that!

What's there to discuss? The people of Zambia spoke on 11th August and they'll speak again in August 2021. In fact the law needs to visit anyone who plots to undermine our electoral democracy so that we put a stop to the dangerous emergence of demagogues who put self interest above national interest!

LOOK AT THE HANDSHAKE AND ASK YOURSELF. BOTH EDIGAR AND HH ARE IN SECRET SOCIETY. THIS IS HOW THEY GREET, THE FINGERS PROTRUDE TO TOUCH THE VEINS. LOOK AT EDIGAR'S FINGERS AND ALSO HH. THEY FIGHT IN PUBLIC BUT SUCK FROM THE SAME BREAST. DON'T BE FOOLED.

Hh is chumbu mushololwa such a meeting wil be useless u only meet people who should accept any result positive or negative.he said he will reject results even before ballot papers were printed.so ecl dont attend

If lungu did not steal votes there is no need for him and the kaponyas to be relying on the 14 day dead line to cancelle the petition.
If lungu won lets see what lies the UPND present in their petition...no need to be afraid and rely on 14 day technicalities....only the guilty are afraid.

You are st.upid and immoral. Anything outside the constitution is illegal now. So forget about any petition or court process which has no legal backing. Go follow your constitution and hold a convetion ba upnd.

If we all can read the classic novel "ANIMAL FARM by GEORGE ORWELL" at every subsequent birthday we celebrate our minds would open up and we'd see which of the animals in the novel we align with. We can then comment better online.

But how can HH recognise ECL is the courts of law themselves failed to do so.
The constitutional court clearly never said that he won neither did say that he lost.
This has a consequential in that you choose to recognise him or you dont.

Mr. President,
Don't even for a second consider this request. You are the President and you deserve respect. ignore them. What reconciliation does HH need. The church mother bodies should arrange a deliverance service for HH, TO REMOVE THE DEMON OF PRIDE , HATE. period.
VIVA ECL VIVA MY PRESIDENT!

Whether UPND or Hyena accepts it. The fact remains the same. ECL will be President for the next five years. If the hyena misbehaves, the same cops he paraded with upnd placards will throw him in the cells to smell cow dung in human form. So ECL has work to do other than attend circus with f00ls performing. just IGNORE THEM AND WORK.

I THOUGHT THE CALL TO DIALOGUE WOULD BE DONE BY INDEPENDENT PEOPLE WHO FROM OUT SIDE ZAMBIA BUT HOW THE TRIBALIST AND THUGS WANT TO BRING THE TWO TOGETHER WHEN ONE'S CALLS ARE NOT HEARD? YOU CALL ZAMBIA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION AND IS THAT THE WAY JESUS WOULD SOLVE THIS CONFLICT TODAY? I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS MOCKERY AND HYPOCRICY TO ALL WELMEANING AND TRUE CHRISTIANS.
LUNGU WILL NEVER ACCEPT HH AND HH WILL NEVER ACCEPT LUNGU ON MORAL GROUNDS. IF SAKALA HAS BEEN SENT TO BRING DOWN UPND, WHERE WERE THEY WHEN ECZ, CONCOURT AND OTHER MEDIA LIKE ZNBC, TIMES OF ZAMBIA, DAILY MAIL ETC MISTREATED UPND?
THIS IS TRUE COLONIALIZATION WHERE A BIBLE WAS USED TO OPPRESS WEAK AND MEEK, A GUN WAS USED TO SLAUGHTER THE OPPOSER.