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The Talon seems to suit everyone - hardly ever see one come up on the Swap Meets.

The Fearless is less universally accepted, but is incredibly popular with people who own one. It is geared towards "on its back" tricks, especially turtle based moves - it'll sit there for hours and won't rock out when you least expect it.

Much like some Prism offerings, it will give up great flying if you fly in a similar way to it's designer. On the other hand, the Sea Devil range are much less flying style dependent and closer to the Talon in terms of "what can Joe Average get out of this kite?"

I own a couple Talons, STD & UL two different kites but both are great kites, STD is a Roll-Up Monster, the fearless is on my list of kites to get, or try. I've flown a Vented Talon a few times in Chico and once at Marina Green in S.F. 15+mph, still not to sure on it, very stiff frame, needs small inputs. The Talon STD & UL are both worth the money, you won't be disappointed.John

The Talon seems to suit everyone - hardly ever see one come up on the Swap Meets.

The Fearless is less universally accepted, but is incredibly popular with people who own one. It is geared towards "on its back" tricks, especially turtle based moves - it'll sit there for hours and won't rock out when you least expect it.

Much like some Prism offerings, it will give up great flying if you fly in a similar way to it's designer. On the other hand, the Sea Devil range are much less flying style dependent and closer to the Talon in terms of "what can Joe Average get out of this kite?"

Great to hear it put that way... I've been flying Sea Devils for a while, and found the transition to flying the Fearless difficult. I am starting to learn how to fly Fearless, and can do most of my tricks on the FL pretty well, now. When done right, the tricks look amazing from the Fearless. I haven't flown a Talon, yet, but they're high on my list...~Rob.

Never flown the Talon, but I have a bunch of Sea Devils and a couple of Fearless. I still fly my SD's the most, but damn...things look so much better on the Fearless. Once a hack, I guess always a hack

Those two kites seems to be very famous in US and Canada though it's not as much in Europe.

You are aware that the UK is in Europe ?

New Talons are only equalled (probably) by Cosmic TCs in this thread and new examples continue to appear. Fearlesseseses are quite possibly more rare as we don't get to try them out before committing to an expensive purchase and, at least partially, due to the company they occasionally keep.

Those two kites seems to be very famous in US and Canada though it's not as much in Europe.

FearlessesesesCome on Mike -you CAN use English better than that, can't you? are quite possibly more rare as we don't get to try them out before committing to an expensive purchase and, at least partially, due to the company they occasionally keep.

Mike.

Could you please Pontificate on the company they sometimes keep, for us? I think we'd like to know your thoughts on this one, anyway.

Both the Talon and the Fearless are easy to fly, they are light pulling, have good forward drive. Also they are easy to trick, which means predictable and with no obvious quirks. I'd also include the Exile and Widowmaker in this group.

The strength of the Talon is its pitch-ability The standard will roll up quickly and it seems from almost any angle. The strength of the Fearless is its ability to sit deep in the turtle.

While both kites gave something up in the precision department, they are both well rounded performers. The Talon is surprisingly good at spin tricks. Other kites that I've flown that are easy to pitch, have a lot of weight in the tail, which has led to over steer and/or ugly spin tricks.

The ability of Fearless to get into and stay in a turtle, especially on the Sul version, has put some people off. It's a little disturbing, the first time you pull on the lines, and the kite won't come out of the turtle.

When the wind is right, the Fearless Sul, will just hang at the end of the lines in a turtle waiting for an input. Get the multi-lazies going fast enough, and it will rise.

Another strength of the Fearless is its wind range. This is an area of controversy. While I don't think any of us, including myself are very good at estimating actual wind speed. So can a Fearless fly from 3mph to 30mph? Who knows?

The Fearless has the widest wind range, were it can still comfortably perform tricks. Being an inland flier, where the winds can vary by the minute, it is a plus to have a kite with a wide wind range.

Construction on both the Talon and the Fearless are excellent. Mark has some nicely thought out features on the Talon, from the stuffed lower leading edges, to a multi-piece spine. Lam is a perfectionist. Every piece on his kites are the best that he can make it. No detail is too small. Plus Lam is always looking to improve his design.

Add a pair of yoyo rollbars to the Fearless, then...multi-lazy/multi-yoyo is to Fearless as multi-yoyo is to Talon.<----Me and my F kite is on the Left

Hehe - my favorite kite as well, but the F multi yoyos just fine and does not need bars. I'm not against them, I just don't think they should be added to a kite not designed for them - sail stretch/deformation and weight in the wrong place are my concerns. Then again, I haven't tried them on it, perhaps I would be convinced.

My point was that the Talon Std multi yoyos such that it is ridiculously easy (much like the F multi lazys and JLs).

Like all of us, you need to join in the journey and buy many kites... for me the journey ended with the Fearless.... I only need to buy 2 or 3 more and I will be set. He He....By all means try them both... and offer up the one you don't like on the swap meet (and if you don't like the Fearless, I'll take it at 75%. I would prefer a standard, Black with Ruby wave). Rx

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