OAKENSHIELD----------------------------------I can trade: Cost Item----------------------+0 Holy Staff of the Elders+0 Tower Shield of the Great Lords+0 Axe of Dwarvish Lords+0 dragon-skin laces+0 a polished spectrolite charm+0 Sable Ring of the Dark Lords+0 The Crown of Thorns+0 Runed Tooth of the Arch-Liches+0 Tooled Girdle of Ogre Kings+0 Arcane Tome of Power+0 Mithril Sleeves of the High Paladin+0 Battle-Spiked Arm Bands of the Night Prince+0 Adamantine Cuirass of the Ancients+0 Diamond Studded Mithril Shield+0 Shroud of the Exalted Priest+0 Sandals of the Merman High Priest+0 Elven Chain Leggings of the Mystic Guard+0 Boots of the Elemental Earth Wizard+0 Aubergine Kasaya of the Dedicated+0 Shifting Cowl of the Fading Light+0 Ancient Cincture of Vigor+0 Rogue's Dagger+0 Heavy Chainmail of the Knights Order+0 Legplates of Dancing Melodies+0 Bark of the Great Red Oak+0 a maple-leaf brooch+0 Vestment of Interlocking Bones+0 Diamond Sleeves of Desecration----------------------* means you need more levels to use it.! means you are not strong enough to use it.& means you have studied this spellbook or manual to its max.+ Means that a list of cps can be viewed.Query may also be of use to you, please refer to help query.

Master Oakenshield tells you 'Ahh yes, Holy Staff of the Elders...Here is a little bit of information for you:'

ALEXUS----------------------------------I can forge: Cost Item----------------------+0 Holy Staff of the Ancients+0 Tower Shield of the Sovereign Lords+0 Axe of Dwarvish Kings+0 demon-skin laces+0 a radiant spectrolite charm+0 Sable Ring of the Dark Gods+0 The Crown of Destiny+0 Runed Tooth of the Sapphire Dragon+0 Enchanted Girdle of Ogre Kings+0 Arcane Tome of Sovereign Might+0 Mithril Sleeves of the Master Paladin+0 Battle-Spiked Arm Bands of the Night King+0 Mithril Cuirass of the Ancients*0 Ancient Cuirass of the War Gods+0 Mithril Shield of the Elder Titan+0 Mithril Shield of Molten Earth+0 Radiant Shroud of the High Priest*0 Brilliant Shroud of the Master Priest+0 Lost Sandals of Atlantis*0 Sandals of the Melchizedek Priesthood+0 Elven Chain Leggings of the Mystic Enchanter*0 Ancient Elven Leggings of the Master Enchanter+0 Arcane Boots of the Elemental Magi*0 Arcane Boots of the Elemental Master+0 Shadow Kasaya of the Ordained*0 Midnight Kasaya of the Enlightened+0 Shifting Cowl of the Moonlit Night*0 Shifting Cowl of the Darkest Night+0 Ancient Cincture of Power*0 Ancient Cincture of Destruction+0 The Dagger of the Silent Assassin*0 The Serpentine Blades of Silent Death+0 Reinforced Platemail of the Knights Order*0 Ancient Dragonmail of the Knights Order+0 Legplates of a Thousand Echoes*0 Midnight Greaves of Hypnotic Resonance+0 Hardened Bark of the Elder Iron Oak*0 Petrified Bark of the Tree of Life+0 an oak-leaf brooch*0 a golden trefoil brooch of the gods+0 Vestment of the Unholy Rite*0 Infernal Vestment of the Fallen Angel+0 Crystal Sleeves of Desecration*0 Midnight Onyx Sleeves of Desecrated Souls+5000000 a precious ingot of palladium----------------------* means you need more levels to use it.! means you are not strong enough to use it.& means you have studied this spellbook or manual to its max.+ Means that a list of cps can be viewed.Query may also be of use to you, please refer to help query.

Alexus Silverlight tells you 'Ahh yes, Holy Staff of the Ancients...Here is a little bit of information for you:'

* Firstly there is no disadvantages with this new system at all, because the current system remains and new options and power have been created. The new system is of net benefit to the player in every sense. Thanks to the imms for organising this, as it's gone a long ways to fixing gaps in the system with older problems like the absence of stats like Undead Control, Spells Saves, Hand Dam etc.

* As you progress through the game you basically get special tokens now...

Tokens are spent on items worth, 1 or 2 (6x40 item) or 3 (8x40 item) tokens. The more tokens the item is worth, the better it is. You can use these tokens to spend on combinations... any number of combinations of the 3/6/8x40 items as long as you have the tokens to spend. For example a rebirth 8x40 could have 2 8x40 items or 3 6x40 items, 6 3x40items or combinations like 1 8x40 item, 1 6x40 item and 1 3x40 item etc. In each of these cases the sum worth of all the items is 6 tokens.

* Advanced players who have eq modes, where nearly every item changes between eq modes have a lot of options to look at, but quick analysis reveals that the clasps might be good options for these players as they can be worn in every mode... not just eq you wear in one mode.

* There doesn't appear to be a need to hurry or make rash decisions. I think in most cases people will keep there current 3x40 eq choices.

* The bars required for the 6x40 and 8x40 upgrade items pop fairly easy on epics... theoretically the most bars you will ever need is 15 per play through (30 for Rebirths). There is going to be a bottle neck at the start with everyone wanting bars but it should clear up in a month I suspect.

* Players may want to hold off on trading in the new system, until the format of Rebirth Shop is announced as that will have bearing on what items are more valuable.

Could an imm pls confirm that the bars load on epics, as there have been a number of houses recently and situations where epics have been killed probably in numbers to justify at least one pop, and no bars have loaded.

Could they also please make the bars no_steal.

EDIT: Talked to Maniac, bars are on the epic treasure list... hence they should be loading on *anything* that the potions etc load on.

My Adamantine Cuirass of the Ancients which was in inv, obviously didn't match the item id in the forge... but rather than wait for an imm, I went to oakenshield, traded my cuirass back, for the same type of cuirass and then the forge worked.

So it appears some of the forges might have difficulty with old existing 3x40 items. I will speak to an imm about getting my exchanges cleared. Might need Breeze for that.

EDIT: Apparently old 3x40 items need to be "replaced" by oakenshield first before the 6 or 8x40 forges will work. This does not count as an exchange.

Yes, the forges all use the new items. Even though some of the Oakenshield 3x40 items have the same name and stats as the old objects, they are in fact different objects.

The exchanges of the old 3x40 items into tokens do not count towards your exchange count. The only exchanges that count, at all, are the new 3x40 items back into the tokens. Even the 6x40 and 8x40 forge exchanges don't count, because they have an inherent exchange cost of the lost ingots of palladium.

Are you SERIOUS? A weapon that procs firewind like the whip. That's too far. Whats next backstab every round? You think I'm kidding, but that staff would frequently do 1000 damage a round. This is me in my spellsaves mode and my whip is already nearly as good as my sword... without the procs. If it procced twice and I had two firewinds that would be almost 2000 a round. That's not good, that's just silly.

I don't have a lot of time right now to reply, but let's have the conversation. I think the math is not as bad as you think, but I could be wrong. Start at baseline. No bonuses, firewind is 150 damage? 1 in 6 proc rate equals 150 / 6 on average, which is 25 damage. On the high end, 400 damage per firewind is 400 / 6, which is 66 damage. Gorka is doing 98.6. Now add into the equation that being in battle is *far more painful* on a caster than a warrior. Help me understand the imbalance.