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Over here in the UK the current 600D (or t3i) is being advertised DAILY on the telly as the official sponsor of a wee event called Euro 2012. The tournament kicks off june 8th and finishes July 1st.Canon might be waiting until the tournament is over and they have shifted as many 600D's as possible before releasing the 650D.

Im currently thinking on taking the plunge on buying the 600D but I dont know if I should wait or not.

so out with the swivel LCD and in with the touch screen? replacing one gimmick by another

Somebody better tell Apple that their iPad is one big touch screen gimmick. You may not have noticed, but the world is going touch screen, including Windows 8.

One of the reasons I'm not using the Kindle Fire (was given to me as a gift) is the touch screen. As example, it appears whomever designed the device didn't think of people with fingers as big as mine, so I can't type a short URL without fixing it at least three times.

The Kindle Fire has fewer sensors than other devices which makes it less precise (from what I'm told). We bought one for my mother in-law and as much as I like it, it is not always as responsive as you would like. Like anything else, quality varies, but a touch screen doesn't have to be bad and many are not.

Regarding the comment about those with limited vision, my Panasonic has a touch screen, but the buttons are redundant so you are not required to use the screen. Further, the implementation may be tricky, but there are standards for designing web pages for those with disabilities for use with such things as screen readers. Maybe this (or something similar) is something other devices should be following as well. Even without a touch screen, the navigation through the T3i screen would seemingly be difficult if you cannot see it well, but then maybe once your used to it...?

Don't confuse the Nikon D5100 auto-focus, with a Sony auto-focus. My NEX 5n, using face detection, does a good job of keeping a person in focus as they walk around a room, even at f/2.8. If Sony can do this, why not Canon

Well, part of it is that they are different technologies. The way a Canon camera autofocuses for pictures is different than how it does in Live View, and video uses the Live View technology. Canon would have to adapt the SLT technology with a translucent mirror to auto-focus in the exact same way a Sony does. In doing so, they'd give up all the photographic advantages of the mirror, which isn't worth it. Basically, the Nikon autofocus sucks because it doesn't use the focus sensor (due to the mirror being up). I doubt Canon will have solved this in a way that makes it comparable with what sony has in their SLT's, let alone what the FS-700 has.

The FS-700's AF is impressive (though he admitted it makes mistakes that he doesn't show), but, it's also technology from a $10k plus camera...I don't expect Canon to implement that in their Rebel line and have skipped the 5DIII with it.

Indeed, and Canon just wouldn't put a sensor into the 650d that can outgun the more expensive aps-c bodies. That's why they called it "650d", there will be a 70d with a sensor upgrade and *then* they'll put into a "700d".

Why not... think of the 450D (12 MP), which outgunned the 40D (12 MP). After the 450D, the 50D got a new 15 MP sensor. There is no reason why the 650D shouldn't get a new sensor, which will be later outperformed by the sensor of the 7D2.

]Why not... think of the 450D (12 MP), which outgunned the 40D (12 MP). After the 450D, the 50D got a new 15 MP sensor. There is no reason why the 650D shouldn't get a new sensor, which will be later outperformed by the sensor of the 7D2.

I know - but the 18mp sensor has been around for so long, when Canon updates it it's not just another day in the office, thus they'll save it to make some money with it - people will or won't buy the 650d no matter what sensor is in it. The real competition is Nikon, and Canon cannot go to 24mp - so why rock the boat? Another problem with a better sensor in the 650d is that it would cannibalize the 60d which is feature-cut in comparison to the 40d and 50d you cited.

Unlike the 40d/50d days, Canon's problem seems to be that with their current sensor tech, their aps-c design has reached some ceiling with 18mp. If they increase the mp count they'll have to trade it for more noise and less dr even more than 40d->50d. And if they keep it at 18mp the improvement might be as minor as 5d2->5d3.

The real competition is Nikon, and Canon cannot go to 24mp - so why rock the boat? Another problem with a better sensor in the 650d is that it would cannibalize the 60d which is feature-cut in comparison to the 40d and 50d you cited.

Which is why they'll release a 70D sometime in the early fall with some upgrades to counter that.

There's still be reasons to get the 60D over the T4i (ergonomics, burst rate, button layout, etc)...they'd be the same as the T3i really, with the exception of the auto-focus.

Indeed, and Canon just wouldn't put a sensor into the 650d that can outgun the more expensive aps-c bodies. That's why they called it "650d", there will be a 70d with a sensor upgrade and *then* they'll put into a "700d".

Why not... think of the 450D (12 MP), which outgunned the 40D (12 MP). After the 450D, the 50D got a new 15 MP sensor. There is no reason why the 650D shouldn't get a new sensor, which will be later outperformed by the sensor of the 7D2.

I'm sure you meant 40D=10, and I like you're reasoning -- whether or not Canon does is another matter, to be sure Surely, the 650D sensor will give us the first clue as to what is actually going on in 1.6x land. If there is no new sensor, then its clear that they are sqeezing out whatever additional blood is left in that turnip, and 7D2/XXD should get new ones. 7D was, after all, the first to get the18mp sensor, which subsequently appeared in the 550D and then the 60D. If you review the history, you find there is no rhyme nor reason to which sensors appear in which product lines first. Well -- except that Canon wants to get a lot of life out of the 18MP

I note that the Rebel has already been through two cycles with the same sensor (both 550 and 600), so to me it would be unusual to see a third Rebel refresh with the same sensor -- especially since the Rebels were the last to get this one anyway, and since it is already 3 years old. I get that the Tsunami set things back a ways, but 3 years is a long time especially in Rebel land.

Moreover, it would not be unusual for a new sensor to appear in the Rebel first without first seeing XXD time: the 10.1MP sensor of the 40D first appeared in the 400D. So in that sense, the Rebels can be seen seen as a proving ground for new sensors.

Conversely, it would not be unusual for a new sensor to appear only in the Rebels -- Witness the 450D, at 12MP which was never seen in the xxD line -- XXD went from 8 (30D) to 10 (40D) to 15 (50D). This was a period of time when the MP wars were very hot: The 12MP sensor didn't last very long even in the Rebels, as the the 450D was replaced with the 15MP sensor of the 500D and subequently the 18MP appeared in the 550D

So to me the rapid pace of the MP wars explains a lot that was happening prior to the Tsunami. Post-Tsunami, we ma have some technology maturity and we have recovery from the Tsunami, which is only 14 months old. Sony has certainly signaled their intentions, and Canon will have to follow suit with somethign that grabs attention -- I'd venture to suggest a new APS-C sensor in the Rebel 650D, and because Rebel land is a MP war zone, I think they will bump things up, if only slightly, and even with little or no improvement in ISO/DR beyond software.

of course, this opinion is worth what you paid to read it, and we'll have to wait and see