Dominus:
At 11:08 PM 03/04/97 GMT, you wrote:
>This group just climbed off the back of the jews and climbed>immediately onto the back of the gypsies -- without ever>touching the ground.>Can anyone here walk on his/her own feet?>Dominus
You've no idea how privileged you really are. During the entire time spent
on this group, I have never been privy to witnessing the type of
physically, aerobically demanding activities you speak of above by any
member of this group. Not even once! One must admit though, that brain
waives of past and present have and are continuing to result in some
amazing finger dexterity, don't you think?
Aniko
>>

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************
Priority:
normal
Background:
Our thousands of letters and nearly a dozen newspaper advertisements
have reached President Clinton. The people who took the trouble to
write deserve our thanks. The continuation of this effort is the prime
task of the Hungarian Lobby.
What to do:
Please write President Clinton and ask him to make the collective
human rights an integral part of American foreign policy. Please send
them out every day(!) Please, distribute them to all your
acquaintances who care about human rights.
Feel free to use the attached sample letters: letter #1 is
applicable for Hungarian-Americans, letter #2 for non-American
citizens.
Address of Clinton (e-mail):
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letter #1 for Hungarian-Americans:
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<date>
President Bill Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC
(e-mail: )
RE: Support for Collective Human Rights in Central Europe
Dear Mr. President:
Every culture is sacred. The destruction of a single one mutilates the
heritage of the entire human race. International standards are needed
to protect them all. We Americans must accept the historical
responsibility of leading in the development of international
standards which will protect the collective human rights of all
indigenous minority groups.
We must lead as we pass over the bridge to the 21st century, just as
we led during the Second World War when we decided to protect the
individual human rights of all. Collective human rights flow from
those of the individual because such basic rights as the use of one's
language can only be practiced in groups. There is no other choice.
There are no melting pots in the Screbenicas of the world. The
alternative to cultural autonomy is mass graves and cultural genocide.
Mr. President: In this century the United States was obliged to
intervene in Europe three times. The only way to permanently eliminate
the need for sending our troops on similar missions in the future is
to eliminate the cause of these conflicts. This should be done by
uniformly satisfying the aspirations of all indigenous minority
groups. If, as the President of the United States, you would make the
defense of collective human rights and cultural autonomy a cornerstone
of your foreign policy, you would permanently eliminate the need for
our GIs to get entangled in future European conflicts.
As a member of the 1.58 million-member community of
Hungarian-Americans, I ask you to make the cultural autonomy of all
indigenous national minorities of Central Europe an integral part of
your foreign policy.
Respectfully,
<Your name, address and title> (If this letter is signed by many,
please use the attached form to list the names and addresses.)
cc: Vice President Al Gore
)
NAME ADDRESS
______________________________________________________________________
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letter #2 for non-American citizens:
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<date>
President Bill Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC
(e-mail: )
RE: Support Collective Human Rights in Central Europe
Dear Mr. President:
Every culture is sacred. The destruction of a single one mutilates the
heritage of the entire human race. International standards are needed
to protect them all. The Americans must accept the historical
responsibility of leading in the development of international
standards which will protect the collective human rights of all
indigenous minority groups.
The USA must lead as we pass over the bridge to the 21st century, just
as you led during the Second World War when you decided to protect the
individual human rights of all. Collective human rights flow from
those of the individual because such basic rights as the use of one's
language can only be practiced in groups. There is no other choice.
There are no melting pots in the Screbenicas of the world. The
alternative to cultural autonomy is mass graves and cultural genocide.
Mr. President: In this century the United States was obliged to
intervene in Europe three times. The only way to permanently eliminate
the need for sending your troops on similar missions in the future is
to eliminate the cause of these conflicts. This should be done by
uniformly satisfying the aspirations of all indigenous minority
groups. If, as the President of the United States, you would make the
defense of collective human rights and cultural autonomy a cornerstone
of your foreign policy, you would permanently eliminate the need for
your GIs to get entangled in future European conflicts.
As a human right activist, I ask you to make the cultural autonomy of
all indigenous national minorities of Central Europe an integral part
of your foreign policy.
Respectfully,
<Your name, address and title> (If this letter is signed by many,
please use the attached form to list the names and addresses.)
cc: Vice President Al Gore
)
NAME ADDRESS
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
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In view of the current renovation project of the New York City (Riverside
Drive) Kossuth statue and monument, it may be timely to reflect on its
origin and the tremendous support it received almost seventy years ago. (The
current project is being reported on http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/
).The following account is a composite of a report by bishop Andras Harsanyi
and a private communication from Istvan Body, resident of France.
New York Kossuth Memorial.
The main effort for the program was attributed to Geza Barko, who- through
the daily Amerikai Magyar Nepszava- launched a campaign in early 1927.
The fundraising was primarily via Hungarian-American civic and religious
organizations. The American (esp. New York) public as a whole helped
as well: J. Kaufmann, prominent publisher, organized a benefit concert
where a number of renowned artists performed. James Walker, mayor,
undertook to head the statue committee and prevailed on council to assign
a prominent location on Riverside Drive. The original plan previsaged a
bust of Kossuth, however the fundraising was so successful that plans
were modified to include a pedestal, full marble statue and supporting
figures: a true monument. The sculptor, Janos Horvay, patterned the main
figure after one in Cegled, Hungary.
News of the project reached Hungary as well, where Zsigmond Perenyi,
president of the "Magyar Nemzeti Szovetseg" (Hungarian National
Alliance) and Jozsef Zsenyi, director of the "Amerikai Magyar Tarsasag"
(American Hungarian Society) jointly decided to institute a "pilgrimage" to
the unveiling and on Oct 25 1927 established the "Magyar Nemzeti
Kossuth Zarandok Bizottsag" (Hungarian National Kossuth Pilgrimage
Committee) under the chairmanship of Count Albert Apponyi. Vicechairs
were Zsigmond Perenyi and Gyula Pekar. In addition to planning the trip,
the committee collected thousand of books for the children of Hungarian-
Americans .
On March 6 1928, the group of about 500 "pilgrims" left by train for Paris
and Cherbourg, where they boarded the SS Olympic for New York. It
included representatives from all Counties of Hungary, major cities,
institutions, religious organizations as well as representations of the
Hungarian minorities in the neighboring countries. Budapest was
represented by mayor Jeno Sipocz. They arrived in New York on March
13. The next day the group was welcomed by New York mayor James
Walker in the same assembly hall, where Kossuth was received in 1851.
Mr.Sipocz replied and delivered Budapest's donation: a silver
statuette of a Hungarian soldier.
On March 15 there was a large crowd at the unveiling. It has been
estimated at over 20 thousand, confirmed by 14 thousand excursion
tickets sold by the railroads. The unveiling speech made by baron
Zsigmond Perenyi and the memorial was deeded to the City by Mrs.Geza
Berko, accompanied by a 24 gun salute. Mayor Walker gave the acceptance
speech,followed by Budapest Mayor Sipocz. Each of the represented
jurisdictions presented a wreath. That evening reception at the Townhall
Club. The group split into two, with half visiting Pres.Coolidge in
Washington, others travelled and were guests of the cities of Pittsburgh,
Cleveland, Buffalo. The delegation returned to Hungary via Cherbourg.
A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408

In view of the current renovation project of the New York City (Riverside
Drive) Kossuth statue and monument, it may be timely to reflect on its
origin and the tremendous support it received almost seventy years ago. (The
current project is being reported on http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/
).The following account is a composite of a report by bishop Andras Harsanyi
and a private communication from Istvan Body, resident of France.
New York Kossuth Memorial.
The main effort for the program was attributed to Geza Barko, who- through
the daily Amerikai Magyar Nepszava- launched a campaign in early 1927.
The fundraising was primarily via Hungarian-American civic and religious
organizations. The American (esp. New York) public as a whole helped
as well: J. Kaufmann, prominent publisher, organized a benefit concert
where a number of renowned artists performed. James Walker, mayor,
undertook to head the statue committee and prevailed on council to assign
a prominent location on Riverside Drive. The original plan previsaged a
bust of Kossuth, however the fundraising was so successful that plans
were modified to include a pedestal, full marble statue and supporting
figures: a true monument. The sculptor, Janos Horvay, patterned the main
figure after one in Cegled, Hungary.
News of the project reached Hungary as well, where Zsigmond Perenyi,
president of the "Magyar Nemzeti Szovetseg" (Hungarian National
Alliance) and Jozsef Zsenyi, director of the "Amerikai Magyar Tarsasag"
(American Hungarian Society) jointly decided to institute a "pilgrimage" to
the unveiling and on Oct 25 1927 established the "Magyar Nemzeti
Kossuth Zarandok Bizottsag" (Hungarian National Kossuth Pilgrimage
Committee) under the chairmanship of Count Albert Apponyi. Vicechairs
were Zsigmond Perenyi and Gyula Pekar. In addition to planning the trip,
the committee collected thousand of books for the children of Hungarian-
Americans .
On March 6 1928, the group of about 500 "pilgrims" left by train for Paris
and Cherbourg, where they boarded the SS Olympic for New York. It
included representatives from all Counties of Hungary, major cities,
institutions, religious organizations as well as representations of the
Hungarian minorities in the neighboring countries. Budapest was
represented by mayor Jeno Sipocz. They arrived in New York on March
13. The next day the group was welcomed by New York mayor James
Walker in the same assembly hall, where Kossuth was received in 1851.
Mr.Sipocz replied and delivered Budapest's donation: a silver
statuette of a Hungarian soldier.
On March 15 there was a large crowd at the unveiling. It has been
estimated at over 20 thousand, confirmed by 14 thousand excursion
tickets sold by the railroads. The unveiling speech made by baron
Zsigmond Perenyi and the memorial was deeded to the City by Mrs.Geza
Berko, accompanied by a 24 gun salute. Mayor Walker gave the acceptance
speech,followed by Budapest Mayor Sipocz. Each of the represented
jurisdictions presented a wreath. That evening reception at the Townhall
Club. The group split into two, with half visiting Pres.Coolidge in
Washington, others travelled and were guests of the cities of Pittsburgh,
Cleveland, Buffalo. The delegation returned to Hungary via Cherbourg.
A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408

In article >, Janos
Zsargo > writes:
>>So, may I draw the conclusion that you know about Hungary and the Hungarians>from books, tapes, etc. You did not indicate that you had ever been in>Hungary>or lived among Hungarians.>
S. Stowe replied:
>>Judging from what I read on this newsgroup and others and in those Hungarian>>papers which have a Web presence, there are a lot of your countrymen who>aren't>>willing to honestly address the country's recent past with regard to its>>treatment of some ethnic groups.>>So, how many is that lot, 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000, etc. How representative is>this sample?
Janos, you and I and those people reading this who can think for themselves
know that there's no way I'm going to be able to give you an exact count. It
must meet some degree of proficiency, however,
since I seem to be better grounded in the subject that you are.
>>>There are a lot of people (too many for my comfort) in this country who>>want to arm themselves with automatic weapons and explosives>>and start a race war. They have blown up a federal court house, killed>people>>in several parts of the country and I have no problem with repudiating them.>>They represent a strain of American history>>So, can we say "the idea of race war and killing en masse has a great credit>in the American society" or not?
You keep putting quotation marks around that as if I actually said it. I
didn't. For such a vocal little right-winger, you sure are addicted to
Stalinist tactics. By the way, the idea of race war and
killing en masse has enough credit in American society to inspire Timothy
McVeigh to blow up a courthouse in Oklahoma City with 180 or so people in it.
That Mr. McVeigh will likely pay for his action
with his own life shows that it is not a dominant strain of thought in American
society.
>>>I'm willing to live without quite so many romantic illusions about my>>country. How about you?>>Maybe you are willing but you don't. Your giberish about the wolf-packs>in WWII and 'we fought against the German barbarism in WWI' show just the>opposite. And as far as your illusions about the world concerns you are not>just living with illusions but you live in a virtual reality. I think if>someone wants to send mass-murderers to third-world countries for UN mission>or wants the US has a NAFTA-like triety with a country several thousand>miles away from North-America, it means that this person lost the>contact with the reality.
"Gibberish" in the Zsargonary must be defined "Historical debates where Jancsi
willingly makes himself look silly." The latter half of this paragraph, which
isn't anchored in its original context
(another favorite Stalinist debating tactic), just shows that your narrow mind
isn't open to the possibility of irony. That you are a typical smug college
lackwit who thinks he knows it all is simply
poor form.
>>>Okay, a few more questions:>>1) What are you studying?>>2) Where else did you apply? You strike me as being a pretty smart guy. I>can't>>believe someone else turned you down.>>These things have nothing to do with our subject. I did not ask you where you>work and why there.
No, but you started asking the personal questions. You have given ample
evidence through your posts of being very narrowly educated, which is often
much more dangerous than not having any education
at all. If you are an example of the brain trust at U Toledo, the state's
taxpayers are, quite frankly, being reamed royally. All of this, also, at a
time when you were whining, as is your penchant,
about me not being nice to you. I was trying to be nice to you and it obviously
wasn't worth the effort. Until you grow up a little, any further politeness on
my part toward you would be casting
pearls before swine.
Sam Stowe
"As Bob is my witless..."
-- Angelica Pickles, "Rugrats"

Hi, Aniko,
My e-mail program is Pegasus, but I access the list via WINVN, because I
am subscribing "nomail". On WinVN the accents don't read. The whole
thing looks like a coded text. I don't believe I am the only one having
trouble to read it.
Regards, Agnes

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, A.J.Vadasz wrote:
> In view of the current renovation project of the New York City (Riverside> Drive) Kossuth statue and monument, it may be timely to reflect on its> origin and the tremendous support it received almost seventy years ago. (The> current project is being reported on http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/> ).The following account is a composite of a report by bishop Andras Harsanyi> and a private communication from Istvan Body, resident of France.
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Thanks Andy for this interesting story about the New York Kossuth memorial,
and for your efforts to create the Kossuth WEB page. I wonder why the New
York City monument requires renovation. A year ago when, when I last saw
it, it was in excellent condition. It was surrounded with kids, probably an
art-class from a nearby school, they were sketching various parts of the
monument. I hope some of them read the inscription and noted that the nice
man they were sketching was a Hungarian Hero.
BTW, when you finish with the Kossuth memorials you should consider
extending the project to cover other Hungarian memorials also. For example,
there is a nice Petofi bust in Buffalo, and there are numerous 1956
memorials. Here is a short list of the 1956 monuments I know something
about. I am sure that each one has an interesting story. Only through the
persistent efforts by a few dedicated people can these monuments be erected
in public places in North America.
1956 Memorials in Canada and the USA:
Victoria, BC.
Erected 1987
Burnaby, BC, Forest Lawn
1986. Artist: Elek Imredy
Toronto, ON: Budapest Park.
1966, artist Victor To:lgyesi, Brass plaque added in 1995.
A 3.5 meter tall modern monument on the shores of Lake Ontario in a Park
named after Budapest at time of the unveiling of the memorial. It is made
up from 10 broken pieces of steel plates, symbolizing the 10 years from
time of the revolution to the time of the erection of the memorial.
Inscription at the base: "FREEDOM TO HUNGARY - FREEDOM TO ALL"
Inscription at the brass plaque unveiled in 1995: "IN REMEMBRANCE OF THE
HUNGARIAN FREEDOM FIGHT, OCTOBER 23, 1956, WHERE MAN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN
GAVE THEIR LIVES IN THE HEROIC STRUGGLE AGAINST THE INVADING SOVIET ARMY.
THIS DAY MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF COMMUNISM WORLD WIDE."
Los Angeles, CA: Mindszenty Park
1969. Artist A. Domyan
Showing a wounded man who is handing over his gun to a boy
Inscription: "Erected in memory of the Heros of the Glorious Hungarian
Freedom Fight of 1956. A symbol of man's yearning for freedom
everywhere - Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation 1969"
Denver, CO: Hungarian Freedom Park and monument
1968. Artist: Popovics
Boston, MS: Liberty Square
1989. Artist: Gyorgy Hollosi.
Akron, OH: In the Courtyard of the Lorantffy Care Center
Artist: Csaba Kur
Barna Bozoki