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What a fucking carry on one minute you claim fragmentation the next a carbon copy.
what a fucking carry on. So in the end we end up Mir and wayland doing the same thing in a slightly different way............ what a travesty!!!

Ah, I can see I am debating with a highly intelligent and distinguished gentleman with worldly tastes. Hey?

I do remind you, sir, that Mir would never have been possible without Wayland. Without all the groundwork done by the Wayland devs, all the plumbing and preparing of the graphics stack... Mir couldn't have been. The structure of the Mir server was copied (not in literal sense, but as in, they looked at Wayland to see "this is how to do it") and some parts were indeed copied straight on (XMir is a 1:1 copy of XWayland, with slight changes maybe).

Abominable............ lmfao what a fucking carry on!!!

I say, old chap, is that spittle coming from your mouth? Careful, you'll drop your monocle.

O please they have done nothing wrong

No? They have been lying at every turn, spreading malicious lies about their competition, acted with hostility towards the entire community... I would call that "doing wrong", but perhaps you have a differing opinion? Could it be, that your tastes are simply so refined that I just can't grasp them? Maybe there is some higher form of enjoyment to be found in being lied to and slandered, that only a gentleman of your caliber can appreciate. Maybe such customs are common in your household? How intriguing!

Even if true so what? Its a problem for ubuntu/canonical
It wont affect you since you wont ever go near it so why carry on about it day after day. Get a fucking life loser

Ah, sir, I must say - truly, your composure and skills in the art of debate are nothing short of marvelous. I stand in awe at your rapier wit. Awe, I tell you. Well done, sir. I couldn't have said it better. Pray tell, where do you come up with such exquisite material? If I may, sir, the whole "get a fucking life loser" was an excellent touch. Such refined taste... such elegance!

Sadly, I can only offer my humble counter in my own, feeble words... it is indeed my problem, because what Canonical does affects the rest of the ecosystem, the rest of the community. They have much influence, like it or not, and they should take some responsibility how they use it.

Blah blah blah games on wayland are going to face the same fucking issues.Since you don't use ubuntu why such a concern anyway?

I'm in tears. Seriously, tears. Such beauty! Such elegance! Such an ingenious grasp of the art of wordplay. I am speechless!

What you haters don't understand is that for most people Ubuntu == Linux. Ubuntu has become too big to fail. If it fails it takes everybody down with it.

But Ubuntu != Linux, Linux = Linux. Ubuntu = GNU/Linux. Also if Ubuntu fails, Linux Mint would defintely pick up a lot of the slack, since they have an edition based directly off Debian cutting out Ubuntu from the mix.

What you haters don't understand is that for most people Ubuntu == Linux. Ubuntu has become too big to fail. If it fails it takes everybody down with it. So you should actually learn to support Mir and all the devs focus on it especially since it moves so fast and leave Wayland for later. Linux on the desktop is where it is due to Ubuntu. Everybody should actually help them since most Linux users are Ubuntu users. If Ubuntu dies everybody moves back to Windows and Linux will go back to basement dwellers, their dogs and Richard Stallman the loser weirdo who said that Ubuntu is bad and the community should teach them a lesson. It is the opposite in fact, Richard Stallman and his loser friends need to shut up and go to their corner. They've had their time. All they got was a shitty 1% of the market. Now fuck those jokers and let's try something else!

Do you understand that by sabotaging Canonical you are actually sabotaging yourselves? Even you Gentoo users! Linux benefits from having many users. Do you want it to wither all away, all that was gained so hard and for so much toil? Your rebellion against Canonical will come back to bite your asses. In fact it will chew you whole. So the only option for now is to support Canonical, even if you don't agree with all their decisions. Their success will trickle down to lesser used distros. Canonical winning will actually help improve the whole Linux community. Canonical is basically like the American banks in 2008. You bail them out or else....

it's moving so fast you can't even see how awesome it is Oh wait it died..
off to the Canonical graveyard like the rest of Canonical's Project's

But Ubuntu != Linux, Linux = Linux. Ubuntu = GNU/Linux. Also if Ubuntu fails, Linux Mint would defintely pick up a lot of the slack, since they have an edition based directly off Debian cutting out Ubuntu from the mix.

This is true since Unity came around, but what was meant is if Ubuntu had a total and complete failure to the point of both Ubuntu and Canonical being defunct status. Some would probably go pure Debian while I would guess a lot would go join LM and use their LMDE edition.

This is true since Unity came around, but what was meant is if Ubuntu had a total and complete failure to the point of both Ubuntu and Canonical being defunct status. Some would probably go pure Debian while I would guess a lot would go join LM and use their LMDE edition.

If Debian get off it's ass and release some up to date package's on release day ill use it but atm Debian 7.1 is so far out of date it's not funny what do you get out of it 2 or 3 year old package's, the LTS Kernal is the only part not out of date, i'm using Linux Mint here, but i want to see Debian stop being so far out of date it's not funny, maybe if it did like openSUSE on it's EOL's and Releases i use it, openSUSE has what kernal 3.7 and updated package's, and you get support for around 15mo's, i can remember

If Debian get off it's ass and release some up to date package's on release day ill use it but atm Debian 7.1 is so far out of date it's not funny what do you get out of it 2 or 3 year old package's, the LTS Kernal is the only part not out of date, i'm using Linux Mint here, but i want to see Debian stop being so far out of date it's not funny, maybe if it did like openSUSE on it's EOL's and Releases i use it, openSUSE has what kernal 3.7 and updated package's, and you get support for around 15mo's, i can remember

Xubuntu user here and I agree, that is one thing I don't like about Debian. I'm kind of person that likes having the very latest (currently running Xubuntu 13.10 dev release). Also find things easier to do through Ubuntu than directly through Debian, as I have tried LMDE in the past and it confused the hell out of me for some reason. xD

Xubuntu user here and I agree, that is one thing I don't like about Debian. I'm kind of person that likes having the very latest (currently running Xubuntu 13.10 dev release). Also find things easier to do through Ubuntu than directly through Debian, as I have tried LMDE in the past and it confused the hell out of me for some reason. xD

i just want the most stable latest OS i can find, Debian also need's to add non free to it's main repo's as well

What you haters don't understand is that for most people Ubuntu == Linux.

So now when I ask you to back up your claims I am a hater? That is really an astonishing discussion technique, one could think you are Bill O'Reilly.

Ubuntu has become too big to fail. If it fails it takes everybody down with it.

For sure, Red Hat will go down when Ubuntu fails. Suse will do the same, you say? And Slackware, a distro existing for 20 years now, without using Canonical technology? Wow, just wow.

So you should actually learn to support Mir and all the devs focus on it especially since it moves so fast and leave Wayland for later.

Without Wayland they wouldn't even have XMir, so how fast is it again? Maybe tomorrow I fork GCC and claim that everybody should support me, because I have created a compiler with the feature set of GCC in one day, moving so fast. The only difference to Mir/XMir would be that my fork actually would work.

Linux on the desktop is where it is due to Ubuntu.

I have seen you make this claim before and asked you to back that up with actual data. Do you think that you can do it this time? I seriously doubt it, since backing up claims seems not to be part of your discussion technique, but I ask anyways.

Everybody should actually help them since most Linux users are Ubuntu users.

Wait, does this mean that you have factual data on that and that that data tells us that Ubuntu has more than 50% marketshare in the Linux space? Would you like to show us that data? Oh, wait, I forgot that you don't do such things.

If Ubuntu dies everybody moves back to Windows and Linux will go back to basement dwellers, their dogs and Richard Stallman the loser weirdo who said that Ubuntu is bad and the community should teach them a lesson. It is the opposite in fact, Richard Stallman and his loser friends need to shut up and go to their corner. They've had their time. All they got was a shitty 1% of the market. Now fuck those jokers and let's try something else!

Wait, didn't you just state that Linux on the desktop is where it is because of Ubuntu? Now you attribute that to Stallmann?

Do you understand that by sabotaging Canonical you are actually sabotaging yourselves? Even you Gentoo users! Linux benefits from having many users.

Wheren't you the one who stated that supporting Canonical is the right thing to do so that all other distros can die? Now you say the exact opposite, not supporting Ubuntu will harm the other distros? May it be that you today do not know anymore about your arguments from yesterday?

Do you want it to wither all away, all that was gained so hard and for so much toil? Your rebellion against Canonical will come back to bite your asses. In fact it will chew you whole. So the only option for now is to support Canonical, even if you don't agree with all their decisions. Their success will trickle down to lesser used distros.

Again, do you mean those distros that in your opinion shouldn't even exist? Now they suddenly will benefit from Canonical?

Canonical is basically like the American banks in 2008.

You mean like: They brought themselves down with their shitty decisions and now those that do the actual work have to pay for that? Thank Bob that it is not to late, yet, those that really support Linux and bring it forward are not Canonical developers, but developers from Red Hat, Intel, IBM and others, those who actually make money of Linux, not some rich clown dreaming of being the next Steve Jobs.

I only can ask you again, although you won't even consider to do it: Back up your claims or GTFO.