they have PM's and PO's for everything now, and these managers determine the priorities. Couple that with the fact that many employees aren't interested in meta feedback to begin with because it's so negative, and now with the confirmation that meta doesn't work as a whole, it just means "Yeah we did this in flagrant disregard of our core userbase, and we'll continue to, adjust your expectations accordingly"

Without meta SE is just like any company without a real support forum and no way to reach it. Bugs will not be fixed, new features added only as planned and user feedback will be something from the history.

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I don't think anyone would have made a stink if they'd responded something like "These questions might not be sexist, you just took the titles out of context. But that lacking context is a good point, we'll look into it"

@ShadowWizard Its worth remembering - there's never any guarentee that a bug report, FR or even pull request would be accepted anywhere

The most we can expect that it gets considered

hmm

Actually a better way to put it is, once the buck stopped with Jeff. Those were big shoes to fill, but I'm sure Jeff didn't accept every FR that came his way (and he quietly impliemented one I asked for, the scamp).

Likewise, the buck now stops with the PM.

So for Q&A, SO Corp trusts Joe to do the right thing.

And sometimes that right thing can be what we ask for. Sometimes not. Sometimes, Its not what folks think it is

@AndrasDeak Dear SE: I don't use adblock. I use UMatrix. Move those ads on your network and I will see them. Just remember that this will also mean that you are responsible for any damage and or malvertising campaign those ads can cause (not that you shouldn't be responsible for that anyway to be fair...). Until that day, sorry. I trust you to not be trying to run a bitcoin miner on my machine. I don't trust your shifting list of ads providers/domains.

@JourneymanGeek as it used to work in the past. Someone submit a bug report and a dev replies "Thanks, we're on it" or "Sorry, not going to fix that". Someone submits a serious feedback about some major change and asking to make some big changes, and CM replies "thanks, we'll consider this" or "Sorry, it won't happen because [reasons here]". Yes, it requires time and efforts and more work... but direct contact with the customer base is, or should be, priceless.

@Magisch I agree that meta is 'less threatening'. But that's because meta is more 'in context'? Perhaps if that tweet was made on meta, or perhaps even just in this very chatroom... I think it would still have gotten the same reaction, only people wouldn't be mad 'cause twitter'

To be honest, yes, I agree that Meta is not working (as it's supposed to be). Comment at 5, upvote at 15, downvote at 100, then add association bonus for most of us. It will be core users downvoting casual user's critique, and those who don't have privilege will be left alone, cannot supporting their critique...

@JourneymanGeek That... shouldn't be too difficult? I've worked retail. One of the things you get taught is to always be nice, even to your non-paying customers (the ones that don't buy anything that time round) as you don't want your store to be known as 'the one that's only nice to you as long as you pay'

@JourneymanGeek Being nice doesn't mean e.g. staying open past closing time because someone in a scooter decided to drop in at 5 minutes to close and demands time to browse the store. Being nice does mean not closing the doors on the elderly lady that's using the seats at your shop because she's exhausted but her taxi cab isn't coming, and helping her make the necessary phone calls.

@Magisch nah, we can keep ranting here and suggest awesome ideas, but we need to realize that's all it is: empty rants and ideas that will never reach their destination. Personally, ranting sometimes feels good and lower the anger/frustration. :)