That's pretty diverse with whites under 39%. What would the percentages be for Burning Man attendees? Is it basically homogeneous? Would there be more problems if BM was more diverse? I was at Sequoia National Forest a few weeks ago, and the campers did a very effective job of self-segregation. Would that be the case at BM if it was more diverse? (It seems I'm already assuming things are a certain way.) There seems to be fewer problems that way until things boil to a head.

Does that mean it's been discussed before and there is to be no more said about it? I'm not being snarky. I've already considered how to keep my beer cold and to accept the dust. I just wanted more to think about. I do like reading the earlier thread on the link I posted.

For the record, I'm not trying to push an agenda of calling racism anywhere. One thing I found interesting in the SF Chronicle article is that as opposed to tight knit ethnic groups, whites tend to be isolated (I call it independent) from others that would otherwise be close in their lives. Perhaps this is the pull of Burning Man. I think that is part of the reason I'm going for the first time. Ah heck, perhaps this is too deep for a public forum. Let's get back to how to keep our beer cold.

Would there be more problems if BM was more diverse? I was at Sequoia National Forest a few weeks ago, and the campers did a very effective job of self-segregation. Would that be the case at BM if it was more diverse?

Your biases are leaking all over the fucking floor in your initial statement. I mean what do you mean to suggest when you use the word 'problems?' Even though you don't say as much I'm getting a strong whiff of stereotyping along with a touch of profiling.

(It seems I'm already assuming things are a certain way.) There seems to be fewer problems that way until things boil to a head.

By what exactly do you mean when you say 'boil to a head?' Racial tension? Animosity? Predatory behavior by the non-white component?

Until you can phrase your questions more neutrally I'm calling bullshit.

Would there be more problems if BM was more diverse? I was at Sequoia National Forest a few weeks ago, and the campers did a very effective job of self-segregation. Would that be the case at BM if it was more diverse?

Your biases are leaking all over the fucking floor in your initial statement. I mean what do you mean to suggest when you use the word 'problems?' Even though you don't say as much I'm getting a strong whiff of stereotyping along with a touch of profiling.

(It seems I'm already assuming things are a certain way.) There seems to be fewer problems that way until things boil to a head.

By what exactly do you mean when you say 'boil to a head?' Racial tension? Animosity? Predatory behavior by the non-white component?

Until you can phrase your questions more neutrally I'm calling bullshit.

Just go ahead and call it what you want. Why do my questions need to be neutral? Even though I feel I'm quite neutral on the subject, is there a reason I have to project myself as perfect? Anyways, it's probably easier to dismiss something as bull---- than it it to give a meaningful response. That was a bit snarky. Let me rephrase: Just present your honest feelings on the subject (not on me) if that's what you want to do.

Just gotta keep the "race industry" alive, I suppose. Who the hell cares what the race of people attending are? I mean really. Just exactly what fucking difference does it make and why would anyone care? Seriously.

The event is on public land. It is advertised by word of mouth and references in the mainstream media. It offers tickets via outlets but mainly online that are open to all. Participation is open to anyone who can pay for the ticket and the gas to haul their stuff out and back. I see no bars to entry for anyone of any particular social class, just an economic hurdle to entry.

In short...I'm trying to figure out why there's any concern about the racial makeup of the event?

Kinetic V ~~~~~~I bring order to chaos. And I bring chaos to those who deserve it, wherever that may be.

I'd say, as much as anything, there is always a segment of society, or group of people that loves/needs/wants to feel guilty about something, and, equally to lay guilt on others.........
and, wants someone to feel sorry for............helps their own self image, as though they are "helping the less fortunate".........and thereby aggrandizing themselves.

They typically use "we should do something" or, "they should be helped" and such catch phrases.
And, point at others to solve their dilemma.

Again, I see it more about their egos than anything.
and, their self fulfilling guilt need.
no, no I'm not cynical or opinionated.........

as a half italian half african america BURNER i find it interesting that there aren't more black people wrapped up in the whole scene. While in the desert i do enjoy it when i see a black person, we usually just look at each other and smile and nod our heads. like we know that this event is great and that we belong on the playa. I don't know why more black people don't go to bm. it would be cool to see more though. i like variety for it is the spice of life.

curiousgnate wrote:as a half italian half african america BURNER i find it interesting that there aren't more black people wrapped up in the whole scene. While in the desert i do enjoy it when i see a black person, we usually just look at each other and smile and nod our heads. like we know that this event is great and that we belong on the playa. I don't know why more black people don't go to bm. it would be cool to see more though. i like variety for it is the spice of life.

i round up too. since society at large considers myself black, i'll go with black here, i am definatley not white. black people don't see me as one and neither do white people. so i just consider myself me. i always wanted an afro but one can want as much as they can and it aint gonna happen. eventually i got over it. Italy is cool though i love me some florence. some guy called me out while i was there and 17 years old as a fag, and he was right, and i went back to that spot later away from my school mates, and lets just say i got what i was looking for. anyway i digress. more black people go to bm. i wanna see you enjoying the desert like i do. more more more!

curiousngate
I've seen this debate crop up over the years, and I have to say "black people" (and i'll put "white people" in quotes, too, because as you noted, the catagories are sort of not clear) rarely chime in. Good to hear actual experience, rather than just speculation. (and yes, I speculate on the matter, too.)
Thank you

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

From what I can see, the official BRC census only began inquiring about race in very general terms in 2006.

In 2006, people were asked "Do you consider yourself to be a person of color?" with 76% responding no, 9% responding yes, and 8% responding sometimes. The census notes that 7% declined to respond.

In 2007, this was expanded to two questions. First, "Do you consider yourself to be a person of color?" 79% no, 11% yes, and 10% sometimes. Then, "Do you consider yourself to be white?" 72% yes, 16% no, and 12% sometimes.

In 2008, the same pair of questions were asked. "Do you consider yourself to be a person of color?" 79% no, 11% yes, and 10% sometimes. "Do you consider yourself to be white?" 73% yes, 12% no, and 15% sometimes.

The 2009 census hasn't been posted yet.

I'm not a statistician, but to me it looks like there's not much to derive trends from, and the questions are quite general and somewhat inconsistent, but there doesn't appear to be any major change from year to year, and the changes that have occurred would most likely be within the margin of error.

From who all I've seen in BRC, it is mostly white folks although it seems to me there are people of all races represented to some degree. It takes a special kind of crazy to be a burner and that craziness is universal. But there's also a whole spectrum of other factors for people deciding whether or not to attend, much less hearing about it in the first place.

It's taken me a long time to reply to this. I had to get my head around it.

What it comes down to is that Burners are people I identify with. And it's not because their skin, hair and eyes are like mine, or because they grew up the same way I did. It's because we want to be together. I like to be with people who are creative, and funny, hard core and caring and snarky, and like working hard and doing things well. I like being in a community where half-ass is called out with much reproach. I like that Burning Man culture is a place I belong to because I want to, not because I'm born into it. How often does that happen?