Pinky_Floyd wrote:
Let's face it, it's never going to gain the mass market traction now of either the PS3, 360, Wii (or most likely what the next gen consoles will reach).

However, it is likely to do a gamecube and provide a good few years of nintendo first party games for those who wish to enjoy them.

I'm not even sure it'll do that to be honest. Its dead in the water.

It's really not, at least until Nintendo say it is and stop developing for it. Dead in the water as a machine for third party games? That might be closer to the truth but even then there are still a few in development and if sales pick up there could be more.

While the machine is most definitely down, I don't think it's quite out yet.

Again - how is the console dead with Nintendo remaining to support it with key titles still in development despite horrendous sales figures.

Until that changes, and it might, then it's not dead. In trouble, most definitely.

You may believe that Nintendo will drop support and kill it - but that's not the same thing as them actually doing it. They seem stubborn enough and financially healthy enough not to want - or need to at this point.

atomicjuicer wrote:
Nintendo damaged their rep with wii (mostly kids games and no Metroid or starfox or fzero).

I for one haven't forgotten

Yeah, apart from Metroid Prime 3, Metroid Other M and a packaged up Prime Trilogy, the lack of any Metroid was a shambles. That's what pisses me off about the U - not a single Mario game released or even announced.

This was a long time coming, Nintendo should have heeded the lessons of the Gamecube, you simply can't decide to ignore entire sections of the gaming audience just because they don't fit in with what you think people should be playing.

Nobody is suggesting that Nintendo makes something like ultra violent shooters but they really needed to focus on the games rather than pieces of peripheral hardware. What possibilities does this new hardware bring to the table for games? A question answered by breakout hits like GTA III where the possibilities of new baseline hardware enabled something that players had been dreaming of for years, there's no reason why Nintendo can't think big, why can't all those Animal Crossing towns stitch together into cohesive open worlds for instance? When you want to visit somewhere why can't you just walk down the road and explore?

I've never liked Mario Kart of Smash Brothers and I don't care for side scrollers anymore, how are you going to make money from me when the range of games on your platforms is so narrow?

nickthegun wrote:
They are tripping balls if they think anyone cares enough about WW HD for it to help change its fortunes.

I agree with this, but at the same time, Zelda is a big franchise, and considering WW was on the console that sold fuck all, i think there be a fair few people yet to play it, and would want to. I think it give it a minor sales bump.

@nickthegun Yeah exactly, its a gold mine waiting to be tapped. Ive never played the handheld pokemons so i dont know what all the fuss is about, but the sales figures are always cracking from what i have seen.

Like most people, I love Ninty. However I cannot justify owning more than one console each generation. I got my fingers burnt with the GameCube. Sure, there was some great stuff, but also absolutely tons of quality that I missed.
It's the same with the Wii U. I love Mario but I also want the best version of FIFA and don't want to be missing something really good. I just can't buy one.

If they want to have any hope they need to throw money at third parties to develop for it. Make profit guarantees on titles, and maybe buy some studios to have as second party studios.