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Nothing wrong with what he said. Roos the following year did see some improvement but our last 10 games were as bad as anything under Neeld. We had a poor list and bad office, with Mr Whiteboard Wednesday running the show it was always going to be a challenge.

he also landed us Hogan.

On 7/27/2018 at 4:50 PM, Moonshadow said:

Yes, Jesse Hogan is his one redeeming action

Yes we had a poor list and lack of good support staff behind the scenes, but there is one thing that Neeld did for us that we should be eternally greatfull for in this respect it is for him bringing Jason Taylor over from Collingwood. Perhaps the Neeld legacy is not so bad after all.

I'm not 100% sure the assertion yoi are making here Molloy, but if it's that Todd Viney was the MFC's worst coach, then that's a shocking and completely wrong assertion to me.

Just looking at his actual record, first two games after taking over a team bereaved of confidence, within two games he makes progress cutting a 76 point loss in his first game as coach, reducing that to a 48 point loss in his second game and then finishing off the season with two losses under 10 points and a win.

My reccolection at the time was that Viney took the team back to playing simple hard, agressive tackling brand of football and actually started to bring back some confidence and beleif in the players. He actually did the job so well that there was some mild speculation that perhaps he might take on the job the next year permanently, which to Todds credit he refused to apply for based on his own assessment of his coaching capacity and aspiration (or the genuine lack there of with respects to the later).

As far as I understand, Todd Viney has made a fantastic and highly capable contribution to the MFC in his proffesional role at the club, so for the assertion and slight to be made against him as a coach is really quite poor form in my view.

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In actual fact, Neeld had some very good ideas on tactics and strategies but was doomed pretty much from the start. Many of the senior players resented his appointment after the sacking of Dean Bailey and there was an undercurrent of dissent from the playing group and others at the club. This was problematic because, as it turned out, Neeld’s man management skills were poor and the list wasn’t much good either. It took a much better coach in Roos who had an improving list more than two years to get the club out of a mire that had taken years to develop. In other words, it wasn’t just Neeld who was at fault for our situation.

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I'm not 100% sure the assertion yoi are making here Molloy, but if it's that Todd Viney was the MFC's worst coach, then that's a shocking and completely wrong assertion to me.

Just looking at his actual record, first two games after taking over a team bereaved of confidence, within two games he makes progress cutting a 76 point loss in his first game as coach, reducing that to a 48 point loss in his second game and then finishing off the season with two losses under 10 points and a win.

My reccolection at the time was that Viney took the team back to playing simple hard, agressive tackling brand of football and actually started to bring back some confidence and beleif in the players. He actually did the job so well that there was some mild speculation that perhaps he might take on the job the next year permanently, which to Todds credit he refused to apply for based on his own assessment of his coaching capacity and aspiration (or the genuine lack there of with respects to the later).

As far as I understand, Todd Viney has made a fantastic and highly capable contribution to the MFC in his proffesional role at the club, so for the assertion and slight to be made against him as a coach is really quite poor form in my view.

I agree we played slightly better and tougher under Viney compared to the horror previous fortnight against Hawthorn and 186.

However that loss in round 24 against Port who were a VFL standard side that year was horrid and would’ve cost him any chance of winning a permanent job, in the event that he was interested.

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In actual fact, Neeld had some very good ideas on tactics and strategies but was doomed pretty much from the start. Many of the senior players resented his appointment after the sacking of Dean Bailey and there was an undercurrent of dissent from the playing group and others at the club. This was problematic because, as it turned out, Neeld’s man management skills were poor and the list wasn’t much good either. It took a much better coach in Roos who had an improving list more than two years to get the club out of a mire that had taken years to develop. In other words, it wasn’t just Neeld who was at fault for our situation.

Firstly, think as I might I can't identify "some very good ideas on tactics and strategies" but I'd be grateful if you could expand on this point. My memory is he tried to introduce the Malthouse kick long down the line, create a stoppage and do it all again.

Secondly, I don't think the players resented his appointment. He, by his own admission on Open Mike, said he was given a directive by Cameron Schwab and Chris Connolly to be really hard on the playing group and acted on that instruction. He later said he wished he had followed his own feeling and made his own judgements. Neeld's behaviours ostracised the senior playing group which was his own doing (at the instruction of others if you are to believe him), the players didn't resent him because he replaced Bailey.

I agree with the rest of what you said - clearly the fault wasn't all Neeld's, the fact is he was just a very poor coach. Thank heavens for Jackson and all he put into place.

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