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River= ? not much completes but the back door FD. anyway I`m reluctant to call... how often is he bluff shoving here? sure as hell he ain't representing much, any monster like QQ,KK,sets I would expect to get it in on turn, the only hand that really makes sens is KT and the only hand that I beat and makes sens is AK.

Is this an easy call, and I chickend out? or he is very rarely bluffing here and he`s got the Backdoor flush most of the time?

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by cozacu: 19.07.2013 08:15.

88,TT are part of his 3bet calling range but he`s most likely raising those on turn on such a drawy board.

Indeed the 3bet could have been slightly larger but that would probably indicate a stronger hand (we don't want that), I like to make my 3bets more or less a standard size... if we 3bet larger here with KK, we have to do it with all our 3bet bluffs too, I don't want to incrase the size of my 3bet bluff raises.

About the KT, I might 3bet it often vs specific villains... I have a high fold to 3b% OOP so he can easly 3bet KT as bluff and if he gets called he`s got position. So I think KTs especially is part of his range.

mbml could you please point out for me the hands that are in his range when he calls 3b PF, call flop ,call turn (quite large bets) and shoves river?

Don't get me wrong, I think you`re right I just want to get a good understanding of his range and what he thought trough the hand.

On river, we`re not beating anything from his value range, so all we beat is pure air hands, missed diamond draws, some QJ, 9J? I`m not sure he`s calling with those hands(JQ,9J) on turn although he improved eq wise, is he even calling flop with that?

Originally posted by cozacu
mbml could you please point out for me the hands that are in his range when he calls 3b PF, call flop ,call turn (quite large bets) and shoves river?

Don't get me wrong, I think you`re right I just want to get a good understanding of his range and what he thought trough the hand.

On river, we`re not beating anything from his value range, so all we beat is pure air hands, missed diamond draws, some QJ, 9J? I`m not sure he`s calling with those hands(JQ,9J) on turn although he improved eq wise, is he even calling flop with that?

we beat busted draws, and sometimes he value bets his worse K:dX type of hands. I just think that AA is way too strong to fold.

79s did get there, but there are still a bunch of other straight and flush draws. And I think he should definitely have way more diamonds than spades, especially when you have A yourself.