(Newser) – In taking to court her contention that Barack Obama can’t be president because he’s foreign-born, Orly Taitz has been on the receiving end of much judicial scorn, and big fines. But her latest suggestion could land her in hotter water: She writes today that Americans should “bare (sic) arms and organise in militias” against “this Kenyan, Indonesian communist usurper.

What is Obama’s intention? Taitz asks readers. “Is it to provide security for us or to destroy our security? Judge for yourself. Seeing targeted destruction of our economy, our security, dissipation of American jobs, massive corruption in the Government, Congress Department of Justice and Judiciary, it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias.”

quote:Well you two may be right, but please do not try to paint "us all" underneath that rock.

I confess, at one time, a long time ago, I gave this theory some cred....until I believe it was soundly proven wrong.

But I can detect that you two would love to paint the entire right with this slime, or I could be wrong.

Is there one member on this website that has recently confessed to still believe this crap?

I'm pretty sure that there are a whole lotta folks that wouldn't really call themselves on the Right or Republicans that think very similar thoughts.

Over the holidays I've seen politics drive shattering rifts between two families. One of them my own. In both cases, it was the "Right" side of the family that made the rifts deepen and put politics above family. To the point of one person doesn't want his own sister talking to him or his children as long as she supports "a terrorist."

Y'know, when people throw around all the crap they do, sooner or later it sticks. Perhaps there's not a person on this website who is a devotee of Orly Taitz, but there was a Right leaning member that saw fit to make a partisan Christmas wish.

Many of the conclusions that I personally draw about the Right come from things that those on the Right say and do.

quote:Well you two may be right, but please do not try to paint "us all" underneath that rock.

I confess, at one time, a long time ago, I gave this theory some cred....until I believe it was soundly proven wrong.

But I can detect that you two would love to paint the entire right with this slime, or I could be wrong.

Is there one member on this website that has recently confessed to still believe this crap?

Well, you were underneath that rock at one time based on your own admission. You thought a completely insane theory that a sitting US Senator running for president was not qualified to be President because he was not a US citizen had credibility. If you add that to all the other insane and partisan attacks against this man, that seemingly sane people think have credibility, then yeah, without people coming out and viciously rejecting the insanity, publicly, and admitting that insane and extremist viewpoints should not be given print or TV access, and that the movement that is generating this BS should be cast off as insane and extreme...well, why wouldn't we associate all adherents of that movement and paint them under that rock? Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas seems apt here....

After it was a foregone conclusion that Obama was going to be the nominee during the campaign, every time anyone even remotely considered to be on the left or a Democrat said anything even remotely off kilter, nutty, questionable or anything that might get someone's nose out of joint, the right would scream "Why doesn't he repudiate it? Why doesn't he denounce ______________?"

As a matter of fact, I remember very clearly that since Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers or anyone else felt a particular way, then Obama did too. Not just guilt by association, but guilt by non-repudiation.

No one on the Right "repudiates" or "denounces" any of the crazy crap that comes from their side, and yes, one does tend to start to believe that while they may not agree with the exact statement, they just might believe with the sentiment.

So, I could easily say that "Well, since every single person on the Right doesn't denounce Orly Taitz, they all must agree with her." But, I won't and hope no one else does either.

However, is there a huge urge to do just that just to make some folks on the right see how it feels? Oh yeah. Actually, reading and hearing some things this week, it would be the perfect time to say something like, "You know those damn conservatives and Republicans WANT us to get attacked just so they can blame Obama for it." Gee, where have I heard that before?

quote:So, I could easily say that "Well, since every single person on the Right doesn't denounce Orly Taitz, they all must agree with her." But, I won't and hope no one else does either.

It is hard not to though...when stuff like this is being perpetrated by congress people, not just pundits and bloggers and Fox, well, it sends a pretty strong signal to anyone with a brain that this is what we have come to with the right. I have yet to see any person on the right on this site admit that Obama is a centrist, to my eyes center right...no, he is a communist, socialist, etc...when the center is painted as extreme left by almost everyone on the right, how far have we sunk?

quote: Over the holidays I've seen politics drive shattering rifts between two families. One of them my own. In both cases, it was the "Right" side of the family that made the rifts deepen and put politics above family. To the point of one person doesn't want his own sister talking to him or his children as long as she supports "a terrorist."

That is insane. Thank God we have learned to keep politics, religion, etc out of the conversations at family gatherings, but it used to get heated at our house too. My brother’s mother in-law has very differing views than my father, who is to the right of Atilla the Hun, but she loves to poke his beehive especially after she has a few drinks..which couldn’t be any worse..as if politics isn’t bad enough, throw some fire water on top. Thank God he just ignores her now (and is nearly deaf) because it used to get real heated. I remember one time at Christmas dinner years ago she brought up Vietnam, which is a real hot button for my old man considering he spent his time there and has many painful memories. I can’t remember what she said, but it was something very inaccurate, and my father went friggin’ nuts. Then her friend, who was a man of my father’s age and who did not serve in Vietnam made a snide comment to him, and that’s when the **** really hit the fan. “Did you serve there (answer was no)? Why not? Why the **** weren’t you there? Where the **** were you 35 years ago when all of us were being shot at and good men were being killed? Don’t **** ing talk to me about **** you don’t know about! ” At that point, he slammed down the napkin and walked out of the house. My brother also walked out of the house and went down the block to the bar to get drunk. Oh family and the holidays, it’s so peaceful!!

quote:I have yet to see any person on the right on this site admit that Obama is a centrist

IMO, he is to the left of center. It's okay that he is left leaning, it's not a crime last I checked. Every successful Democratic president dashes back and forth between liberal and moderate ground, just as every successful Republican president goes back and forth from conservative to moderate. When anyone runs hard to either direction and eventually runs into opposition, which has happened to Obama and others, then they don't become centrists, they become failed ideologues!! Or like any good politician you adjust your strategy as necessary to accomplish your goals.

Conversely, I have yet to see anyone on the left say that Obama is to the left of center.

quote: Conversely, I have yet to see anyone on the left say that Obama is to the left of center.

As soon as he does something to help working people, I will then say he is left of center. Example, most polls I have seen on the public option in the last year indicate that 75% of the citizenry is for a strong public option that would compete with the insurance industry and keep policies affordable. Obama threw the PO under the bus and even said he did not campaign for it...so he is to the right of 75% of the country on this...and that is not an isolated example. Every issue he has sided with bankers and insurance and big medicine CEOs. From torture investigations and other rule of law issues, he has sided with the Bush policies. Etc, etc...Give me some examples of truly left leaning decisions he has made and we can go from there on whether he is left leaning or right leaning...all I see though is center right policy making, which is met with incredible backlash and nihilism from the right. Strange and extreme...

quote: Over the holidays I've seen politics drive shattering rifts between two families. One of them my own. In both cases, it was the "Right" side of the family that made the rifts deepen and put politics above family. To the point of one person doesn't want his own sister talking to him or his children as long as she supports "a terrorist."

That is insane. Thank God we have learned to keep politics, religion, etc out of the conversations at family gatherings, but it used to get heated at our house too. My brother’s mother in-law has very differing views than my father, who is to the right of Atilla the Hun, but she loves to poke his beehive especially after she has a few drinks..which couldn’t be any worse..as if politics isn’t bad enough, throw some fire water on top. Thank God he just ignores her now (and is nearly deaf) because it used to get real heated. I remember one time at Christmas dinner years ago she brought up Vietnam, which is a real hot button for my old man considering he spent his time there and has many painful memories. I can’t remember what she said, but it was something very inaccurate, and my father went friggin’ nuts. Then her friend, who was a man of my father’s age and who did not serve in Vietnam made a snide comment to him, and that’s when the **** really hit the fan. “Did you serve there (answer was no)? Why not? Why the **** weren’t you there? Where the **** were you 35 years ago when all of us were being shot at and good men were being killed? Don’t **** ing talk to me about **** you don’t know about! ” At that point, he slammed down the napkin and walked out of the house. My brother also walked out of the house and went down the block to the bar to get drunk. Oh family and the holidays, it’s so peaceful!!

quote:I have yet to see any person on the right on this site admit that Obama is a centrist

IMO, he is to the left of center. It's okay that he is left leaning, it's not a crime last I checked. Every successful Democratic president dashes back and forth between liberal and moderate ground, just as every successful Republican president goes back and forth from conservative to moderate. When anyone runs hard to either direction and eventually runs into opposition, which has happened to Obama and others, then they don't become centrists, they become failed ideologues!! Or like any good politician you adjust your strategy as necessary to accomplish your goals.

Conversely, I have yet to see anyone on the left say that Obama is to the left of center.

Only an outright socialist would say Obama is in the center. If the two extremes are socialism on the left and corporate/facism on the right then ALL American politicians are in the center. But that is not how it works within the United States. Since essentially all of our politicians support free enterprise/ classical liberalism in some capacity, then we must create the scale within those constraints. With that said Obama is significantly to the left of any president we have had since the days of Lyndon Johnson. On the larger scale, there is little difference between any of the presidents we have had, at least in the way they have ultimately governed.

quote: Conversely, I have yet to see anyone on the left say that Obama is to the left of center.

As soon as he does something to help working people, I will then say he is left of center. Example, most polls I have seen on the public option in the last year indicate that 75% of the citizenry is for a strong public option that would compete with the insurance industry and keep policies affordable. Obama threw the PO under the bus and even said he did not campaign for it...so he is to the right of 75% of the country on this...and that is not an isolated example. Every issue he has sided with bankers and insurance and big medicine CEOs. From torture investigations and other rule of law issues, he has sided with the Bush policies. Etc, etc...Give me some examples of truly left leaning decisions he has made and we can go from there on whether he is left leaning or right leaning...all I see though is center right policy making, which is met with incredible backlash and nihilism from the right. Strange and extreme...

Show me those polls. Everything I have seen says that the public strongly opposes a public option because it will destroy the private health insurance that many if not most covered people are relatively content with.

Barack Hussein Obama $$$ Prez USA===WRONG !
Bout like playin Boy George & Neil Sedaka at a Southern Rock n Roll BBQ.Still can't believe so many of ya'll have blinders on & have bought this smoke & mirror's circus.Say what the (*&^ya want.Don't it seem a little strange after 9/11 and all this kissin Muslims ass stuff.That a president of the USA is elected by the name of
Barack(Mohammad's horses name)
Hussein(a little too close to that Iraq fellas name Saddam Hussein)
Obama(close as your can get to a name like Osama)

Do ya think just maybe the powers to be were playin a hand to see how society would re-act to someone with a name like this ? I imagine they were thinkin if folks bought it ,they'd have the cat in the bag.Well looks like some are so damm blind they wouldn't see the truth if it hit em between the eye's.
Here's a guy that won't call a terrorist a terrorist.Won't call a guy that tried to blow up one of our planes on Christmas day what he is,an Islam extremeist.Same with that Ft Hood murderin scum bag.And has the balls to use ""It would be profiling"" as an excuse.Well pardon the *&%^outta me ! Who has it been thats tried & or succeeded in blowing up an American airline so far ?
Profile their ass ! If they don't dig it ,then pack up the head wraps & head back to the home country.This ain't the land of sand & date tree's.It's AMERICA !!! Home of John Wayne,The Allman Brothers, hot & sloppy pulled pork BBQ sandwiches & ice cold beer.

Politically Correct,,,lmfao.To see the way some cringe when certain phrases are uttered.You'd think there was little helicopters circling round their head ready to relay info back & come cart their ass off.
What the hell are so many afraid of these days ? Folks don't take a stand for nothing no more,in fear of being labled Politically Incorrect. Well keep on praising your almighty Barack Hussein Obama and makin excuses for his skinny un-american smiley sack of bones.And makin fun of folks like Beck & Dobbs.At least they stand for something of the likes of the America i once knew & loved.

And just like some of ya'll don't give a sh*t what i think and run like chillun to candy,to put it all down.I also could give a roach turd less what most of ya'll think or say about me as well.

A caveat before my post. Many of these policies started under Bush, which is why some on the right were pretty critical of Bush down the stretch. So while Bush was a republican, I don’t think some of his policies were traditionally right leaning, at least not the way I have traditionally thought about the right. Obama has continued many of these policies, but I think of them more as left leaning.

A few examples which I do not think are right wing policies are the preservation of “too big to fail.” This is pretty much a left leaning policy even though it was implemented under Bush as I recall. In terms of the strong public option you mention, Obama wants that too, he just knew he couldn’t get it, so I am not sure he is to the right of 75% of the country on that one. Hence, my comment about good politicians adjusting strategy to accomplish some of their goals. The Keynesian economic policies, are also not very right leaning. Borrowing nearly a trillion dollars out of the economy through the stimulus package to put a trillion dollars of federal spending back in does not add anything to the net economy. IMO, his economic policies are to the left…heaps of cash for UAW-Detroit carmakers (are they working people?) and heaps of cash for banks (not sure we are working people!!), whereas a right leaning policy theoretically would be one of free markets and let failed businesses fail.

quote:Barack Hussein Obama $$$ Prez USA===WRONG !
Bout like playin Boy George & Neil Sedaka at a Southern Rock n Roll BBQ.Still can't believe so many of ya'll have blinders on & have bought this smoke & mirror's circus.Say what the (*&^ya want.Don't it seem a little strange after 9/11 and all this kissin Muslims ass stuff.That a president of the USA is elected by the name of
Barack(Mohammad's horses name)
Hussein(a little too close to that Iraq fellas name Saddam Hussein)
Obama(close as your can get to a name like Osama)

Do ya think just maybe the powers to be were playin a hand to see how society would re-act to someone with a name like this ? I imagine they were thinkin if folks bought it ,they'd have the cat in the bag.Well looks like some are so damm blind they wouldn't see the truth if it hit em between the eye's.
Here's a guy that won't call a terrorist a terrorist.Won't call a guy that tried to blow up one of our planes on Christmas day what he is,an Islam extremeist.Same with that Ft Hood murderin scum bag.And has the balls to use ""It would be profiling"" as an excuse.Well pardon the *&%^outta me ! Who has it been thats tried & or succeeded in blowing up an American airline so far ?
Profile their ass ! If they don't dig it ,then pack up the head wraps & head back to the home country.This ain't the land of sand & date tree's.It's AMERICA !!! Home of John Wayne,The Allman Brothers, hot & sloppy pulled pork BBQ sandwiches & ice cold beer.

Politically Correct,,,lmfao.To see the way some cringe when certain phrases are uttered.You'd think there was little helicopters circling round their head ready to relay info back & come cart their ass off.
What the hell are so many afraid of these days ? Folks don't take a stand for nothing no more,in fear of being labled Politically Incorrect. Well keep on praising your almighty Barack Hussein Obama and makin excuses for his skinny un-american smiley sack of bones.And makin fun of folks like Beck & Dobbs.At least they stand for something of the likes of the America i once knew & loved.

And just like some of ya'll don't give a sh*t what i think and run like chillun to candy,to put it all down.I also could give a roach turd less what most of ya'll think or say about me as well.

quote:Barack Hussein Obama $$$ Prez USA===WRONG !
Bout like playin Boy George & Neil Sedaka at a Southern Rock n Roll BBQ.Still can't believe so many of ya'll have blinders on & have bought this smoke & mirror's circus.Say what the (*&^ya want.Don't it seem a little strange after 9/11 and all this kissin Muslims ass stuff.That a president of the USA is elected by the name of
Barack(Mohammad's horses name)
Hussein(a little too close to that Iraq fellas name Saddam Hussein)
Obama(close as your can get to a name like Osama)

Do ya think just maybe the powers to be were playin a hand to see how society would re-act to someone with a name like this ? I imagine they were thinkin if folks bought it ,they'd have the cat in the bag.Well looks like some are so damm blind they wouldn't see the truth if it hit em between the eye's.
Here's a guy that won't call a terrorist a terrorist.Won't call a guy that tried to blow up one of our planes on Christmas day what he is,an Islam extremeist.Same with that Ft Hood murderin scum bag.And has the balls to use ""It would be profiling"" as an excuse.Well pardon the *&%^outta me ! Who has it been thats tried & or succeeded in blowing up an American airline so far ?
Profile their ass ! If they don't dig it ,then pack up the head wraps & head back to the home country.This ain't the land of sand & date tree's.It's AMERICA !!! Home of John Wayne,The Allman Brothers, hot & sloppy pulled pork BBQ sandwiches & ice cold beer.

Politically Correct,,,lmfao.To see the way some cringe when certain phrases are uttered.You'd think there was little helicopters circling round their head ready to relay info back & come cart their ass off.
What the hell are so many afraid of these days ? Folks don't take a stand for nothing no more,in fear of being labled Politically Incorrect. Well keep on praising your almighty Barack Hussein Obama and makin excuses for his skinny un-american smiley sack of bones.And makin fun of folks like Beck & Dobbs.At least they stand for something of the likes of the America i once knew & loved.

And just like some of ya'll don't give a sh*t what i think and run like chillun to candy,to put it all down.I also could give a roach turd less what most of ya'll think or say about me as well.

quote:Barack Hussein Obama $$$ Prez USA===WRONG !
Bout like playin Boy George & Neil Sedaka at a Southern Rock n Roll BBQ.Still can't believe so many of ya'll have blinders on & have bought this smoke & mirror's circus.Say what the (*&^ya want.Don't it seem a little strange after 9/11 and all this kissin Muslims ass stuff.That a president of the USA is elected by the name of
Barack(Mohammad's horses name)
Hussein(a little too close to that Iraq fellas name Saddam Hussein)
Obama(close as your can get to a name like Osama)

Do ya think just maybe the powers to be were playin a hand to see how society would re-act to someone with a name like this ? I imagine they were thinkin if folks bought it ,they'd have the cat in the bag.Well looks like some are so damm blind they wouldn't see the truth if it hit em between the eye's.
Here's a guy that won't call a terrorist a terrorist.Won't call a guy that tried to blow up one of our planes on Christmas day what he is,an Islam extremeist.Same with that Ft Hood murderin scum bag.And has the balls to use ""It would be profiling"" as an excuse.Well pardon the *&%^outta me ! Who has it been thats tried & or succeeded in blowing up an American airline so far ?
Profile their ass ! If they don't dig it ,then pack up the head wraps & head back to the home country.This ain't the land of sand & date tree's.It's AMERICA !!! Home of John Wayne,The Allman Brothers, hot & sloppy pulled pork BBQ sandwiches & ice cold beer.

Politically Correct,,,lmfao.To see the way some cringe when certain phrases are uttered.You'd think there was little helicopters circling round their head ready to relay info back & come cart their ass off.
What the hell are so many afraid of these days ? Folks don't take a stand for nothing no more,in fear of being labled Politically Incorrect. Well keep on praising your almighty Barack Hussein Obama and makin excuses for his skinny un-american smiley sack of bones.And makin fun of folks like Beck & Dobbs.At least they stand for something of the likes of the America i once knew & loved.

And just like some of ya'll don't give a sh*t what i think and run like chillun to candy,to put it all down.I also could give a roach turd less what most of ya'll think or say about me as well.

[Edited on 12/29/2009 by LUKE]

Maybe if Reagan hadn't made all those cuts to mental health programs he may have been helped before he got to this sad state of mental illness.

____________________"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all". John Maynard Keynes

A caveat before my post. Many of these policies started under Bush, which is why some on the right were pretty critical of Bush down the stretch. So while Bush was a republican, I don’t think some of his policies were traditionally right leaning, at least not the way I have traditionally thought about the right. Obama has continued many of these policies, but I think of them more as left leaning.

A few examples which I do not think are right wing policies are the preservation of “too big to fail.” This is pretty much a left leaning policy even though it was implemented under Bush as I recall. In terms of the strong public option you mention, Obama wants that too, he just knew he couldn’t get it, so I am not sure he is to the right of 75% of the country on that one. Hence, my comment about good politicians adjusting strategy to accomplish some of their goals. The Keynesian economic policies, are also not very right leaning. Borrowing nearly a trillion dollars out of the economy through the stimulus package to put a trillion dollars of federal spending back in does not add anything to the net economy. IMO, his economic policies are to the left…heaps of cash for UAW-Detroit carmakers (are they working people?) and heaps of cash for banks (not sure we are working people!!), whereas a right leaning policy theoretically would be one of free markets and let failed businesses fail.

It's a helluva lot easier to say "let them fail" when you are in the minority and don't have to be responsible for that decision. Let's not forget that it was the previous President that left things like Iraq and Afghanistan on the table for the next guy to deal with and also was the first one to give GM a hand.

There seems to be this notion that President McCain would have let the three or four largest banks in the country fail, along with them over half of the country's retirement accounts, as well as let the automakers fail putting thousands out of work and then say, "Sorry, folks. It's what's best for the country." I seriously, seriously doubt he would have done that.

I think anyone that believes there aren't Republicans in the pockets of bankers and assorted lobbyists they are hopelessly naive.

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