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Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by peaceful

Simple. Kishimoto knows nothing about Christiansm...

That's nonsense. Most people know about the major religions in the world: Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, etc. And most writers and other educated people can easily do some background research and learn a lot about other religions and then incorporate them into their stories, no matter if they believe in them or not. In fact, it's actually a lot easier to use the different mythologies of religion in your story as a writer if you don't believe in them. As you can see from this thread, your own bias gets in the way if you actually believe in it.

But that's not to say this theory is true at all. I doubt it myself, because I think Kishi has pretty clearly stuck with Eastern mythology and philosophy with his Naruto story.

Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by Sennin

That's nonsense. Most people know about the major religions in the world: Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, etc. And most writers and other educated people can easily do some background research and learn a lot about other religions and then incorporate them into their stories, no matter if they believe in them or not. In fact, it's actually a lot easier to use the different mythologies of religion in your story as a writer if you don't believe in them. As you can see from this thread, your own bias gets in the way if you actually believe in it.

But that's not to say this theory is true at all. I doubt it myself, because I think Kishi has pretty clearly stuck with Eastern mythology and philosophy with his Naruto story.

What you are saying is nosense. I being a European knows nothing about the eastern religion although i am really well educated and i am not the average European. Kishimoto who was a fail as a student and did not like at all education is sure to ignore such information...

Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto

Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus
As we all know, kishi has a unique and interesting way to include various mythologies from Japanese religions into his manga. This thread delves into the possibility that kishi's also using Christian dogma but to a much greater extent as it is underpins the roles of many of the important characters.

As you can see in the pic above, Naruto has combined his sage mode along with kyubi chakra. His eyes have changed accordingly, the horizontal line from the sage mode, along with the longer vertical line from kyubi chakra, come together to form a true cross. This implies that Naruto is Jesus. Of course he can walk on water right?

If you look at Sasuke's mangekyou sharingan, it clearly resembles the jewish star of david. That would make Sasuke a jew, and Naruto being Jesus, one would come to the conclusion that Sasuke will be responsible for Naruto's death. Actually No, since we all know that there's no chance of Naruto dying in this manga, this cannot be, so what is the true meaning behind this?

Let me tell you the story all the way back from the beginning of konoha's founding, Madara style. Now everything doesn't follow true historical accounts as timelines are off and many of the important characters have a dual role in this manga. That's because kishi likes to add his own touches to any mythology he uses.

Before there were any ninja villages, there used to be dozens, if not hundreds of clans fighting for power and to rule over the others. These clans represent many of the jewish tribes a couple centuries before the birth of christ, who were fighting each other and outside forces. The uchiha and Senju are both jewish. They combine forces to form what becomes the fire nation (Israel), and settle in a village called konoha, which represents Jerusalem. The leader they choose is Hashirama who is representing king solomon. Madara, the leader of the other faction is said to be killed by hashirama but his fate remains unknown. Madara, prior to becoming the leader of the uchihas had made a pact with the devil, when he gained the eternal mangekyou sharingan, Madara sold his soul which gave him the ability to prolong his life. Madara isn't exactly satan, but he's heavily influenced by him, as he keeps popping up throughout different times to set off certain chain of events.

Fast forward to Madara unleashing the kyubi on konoha 16 years ago. This was confirmed by Minato.

The senjus are no longer jews because after witnessing the miracles of the yellow flash, they start to believe that he is their messiah, thus they can now be called christians. Minato was the first coming of Jesus. He sacrificed his life for the sins of konoha. As you can see Madara has multiple roles to play, he now represents the head priest of the jews (uchihas) who was indirectly responsible for Minato's (Jesus) death. For this reason the hatred towards uchihas is immense. Every one believes that the uchihas are a cursed clan and must be wiped off the face of the earth, they are resented for the power they possess, the mangekyou sharigan. Every1 throughtout modern history has hatred towards the jews, either for no apparent reason or cause of the fact that they controlled many of the powerful banks and industry which were integral to people's lives and therefore whoever had control had power. The uchihas are the scum of the ninja world, much like the jews are referred to as the scum of the earth.

Then comes along Itachi, a self hating Jew who wipes off most of the jews off the earth. Itachi represents hitler who killed 6 million people, hitler was thought to be jewish who couldn't stand his own heritage. Sry Itachi fans. Bear with me.

Jiraiya plays the role of John the baptist, the mentor to Jesus, (minato & naruto)

All of the recent events that have taken place are leading up to a war to end all wars meaning Armageddon. As the angels blow their trumpets, different parts of the prophecy begin to unfold until everything is ready for Jesus's arrival. The bijuu represent the multiple headed demons that are unleashed upon the world after the first trumpet blows, but instead of multiple heads, kishi made it into multiple tails.

Now fast forward to the present. Naruto (second Jesus) has multiple tasks he must accomplish, his first job is to keep the demon fox in check, just as the forces of good working for Jesus will defeat the demons. There's a 4th ninja war brewing, (armageddon) which Naruto must win before he can continue on to final tasks.
Naruto as the second coming of Jesus, has to bring the shinobi world to salvation and Sasuke, who is naruto's rival, representing the anti-christ is a pawn of Madara (who's working for satan) and is hellbent on destruction and stopping Naruto from accomplishing his goal. Sasuke who is Madara's descendant is akin to the jews living in Israel today. The book of revelations states that this time, Jesus will not be as merciful, and will only allow those who believe in him, the passage to his heavenly kingdom. All jews who don't believe will go to hell. Sasuke who is on a path that will clash against Naruto pretty soon must make a choice, he either has to redeem himself by asking for Naruto's forgiveness or he'll be defeated and most likely killed by Naruto.

Prior to the apocalypse, the four horsemen were released upon the ninja world. These horsemen are represented by none other than Itachi, Oro, Kabuchimaru, and Nagato.

Itachi symbolizes the horseman of war, as he controls Susanoo, the god of war. How ironic, the horseman of war who hates war.

Oro symbolizes the horseman of famine, as he loots, destroys, causes chaos for his own pleasure.

kabuchimaru symbolizes the horseman of pestilence, well cause he's a ****in pest who won't die. seriously i hate kabuto.

Nagato symbolizes the most powerful and most feared horseman. The 4th horseman called death, aka the grim reaper. Seriously look at him, he's only a few more weeks away without food from looking exactly like the grim reaper. According to the book of revelations, the 4th horseman also brings along his friend, the 5th horseman from hell. This is the king of hell enma which Nagato controls and uses to bring dead corpses back to life to do his bidding.

Nagato also has a dual role, he's not only the 4th horseman, but he also represents the false prophet that will rise up along with the anti-christ. Nagato was thought to be the chosen one who will usher in an era of peace, but we all know that Naruto is the real chosen one.

The 4 horseman aren't necessarily evil, they're doing what they love to do, but they're all part of god's plans.

Summary: Naruto is compassionate, merciful, and cross-eyed, all qualities that Jesus possesses. And he is learning how to forgive, when he finally forgives Nagato, something that Jesus preached. But when the time comes, even this kind hearted Naruto will kick ass. He is the one who must stop Sasuke, then after he defeats Sasuke, he can either save him or kill him. But that choice will be up to Sasuke if he's willing to redeem himself.

You all can lol, or discuss the serious religious connotations behind this thread. But plz do respond. If ya got some more cool ideas about this, add to it, i'll edit later

Important note: I'm not anti-semitic, sincerely sorry if i offended any1, jewish or christian alike, this was just a fun thread along with some interesting tidbits, i know it's not as epic as one of gameboy's threads, but I tried. I'm gonna go post it on Narutofan forums and piss off some hardcore sasuke fans, lol

ok, i think a lot of us can agree that their are spiritual parallels in the story of Naruto. I see a lot of Christian influence but i'm quite confused as to how you wrapped up everything in a tidy little bow.

First of all, why did you mention Solomon? David, if anything, would have been the one to compare him to as David was a man of the sword and wasn't even allowed to finish the building of the temple of God because of his proclivity towards bloodshed. Solomon, therefore was more a symbol of ultimate wisdom (and was considered the richest man of all time)...NOT fighting.

Jesus was expected to become king but unfortunately the Jews were expecting a warrior king not a king who would reign through love, sacrifice and "destroying the works of the devil" (one of the New Testament's direct references to what Jesus "came to do".

Jesus was also a genius. At the age of 12, he was wowing the jewish scholars who marveled at his insight. As a matter of fact, part of what created so much angst in the pharisees was his uncanny ability to combine and expand traditional stories (parables) so that they had a different outcome [the prodigal son] than originally was known to be true.

I have yet to see a ninja who DIDN'T master the art of running on water much less fly through the air for several hundred feet.

anyway, you did a good job of bringing up some thoughts about Christian ideals (of course, that makes me smile) but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that there is a definite limit to the extent to which Kishi uses Christian symbols.

i'd post more but i gotta get back to listening to my sermons online. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by Hakdaddy

ok, i think a lot of us can agree that their are spiritual parallels in the story of Naruto. I see a lot of Christian influence but i'm quite confused as to how you wrapped up everything in a tidy little bow.

First of all, why did you mention Solomon? David, if anything, would have been the one to compare him to as David was a man of the sword and wasn't even allowed to finish the building of the temple of God because of his proclivity towards bloodshed. Solomon, therefore was more a symbol of ultimate wisdom (and was considered the richest man of all time)...NOT fighting.

Jesus was expected to become king but unfortunately the Jews were expecting a warrior king not a king who would reign through love, sacrifice and "destroying the works of the devil" (one of the New Testament's direct references to what Jesus "came to do".

Jesus was also a genius. At the age of 12, he was wowing the jewish scholars who marveled at his insight. As a matter of fact, part of what created so much angst in the pharisees was his uncanny ability to combine and expand traditional stories (parables) so that they had a different outcome [the prodigal son] than originally was known to be true.

I have yet to see a ninja who DIDN'T master the art of running on water much less fly through the air for several hundred feet.

anyway, you did a good job of bringing up some thoughts about Christian ideals (of course, that makes me smile) but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that there is a definite limit to the extent to which Kishi uses Christian symbols.

i'd post more but i gotta get back to listening to my sermons online. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by Hakdaddy

ok, i think a lot of us can agree that their are spiritual parallels in the story of Naruto. I see a lot of Christian influence but i'm quite confused as to how you wrapped up everything in a tidy little bow.

First of all, why did you mention Solomon? David, if anything, would have been the one to compare him to as David was a man of the sword and wasn't even allowed to finish the building of the temple of God because of his proclivity towards bloodshed. Solomon, therefore was more a symbol of ultimate wisdom (and was considered the richest man of all time)...NOT fighting.

Jesus was expected to become king but unfortunately the Jews were expecting a warrior king not a king who would reign through love, sacrifice and "destroying the works of the devil" (one of the New Testament's direct references to what Jesus "came to do".

Naruto is also going to change the world through love, and talking about Sasuke becoming a KAGE we have to wait and watch...

Jesus was also a genius. At the age of 12, he was wowing the jewish scholars who marveled at his insight. As a matter of fact, part of what created so much angst in the pharisees was his uncanny ability to combine and expand traditional stories (parables) so that they had a different outcome [the prodigal son] than originally was known to be true.

Naruto also managed to do certain things which were nearly impossible for others, like learning Shadow Clone Jutsu(which is Jounin level Ninjutsu).
This thread is about similarities in both, dat do not means they are similar to each other in every aspect..

Originally Posted by uzicanSage

It Just Get more Confusing Each time

Absolutely true...

Originally Posted by narutosama

well first of all you did a pretty good job getting some info

BUT

you kinda went too indepth
im sure kishi maybe made SOME relation with the cross eye and the MS looking like the star of david but i think you tried to make too much out of it

im sure theres some relation but once you got to the four swordsman thing you kinda were pulling the stuff outta ur ass :D

but still it was a great read and you made a great observation

good job

Could be possible, but every theory is like this "Going in depth"....

Originally Posted by FiveManRasengan

Why would kishi want to destroy a perfectly good manga by adding naruto as jesus?

I mean really!!! a cross in his eyes doesnt make him jesus!!!!!!!!!!

If you would have read second post by me in this thread which said "Naruto is like Jesus not really jesus", you may not have come up with this post..

Every new theory that comes up at these forums just gets more and more crappy!
STOP IT!

We have another one who thinks every theory is crappy...

Originally Posted by Namikaze Naruto

Naruto can actually be compared to King of israel, David, you can check out the theory i posted earlier, so pretty good proofs..

Please give me links....

Originally Posted by peaceful

Simple. Kishimoto knows nothing about Christiansm...

How can you said such thing. Do you personally know Kishi, if not you can not criticize on your some assumptions...

Re: Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

Originally Posted by Sennin

That's nonsense. Most people know about the major religions in the world: Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, etc. And most writers and other educated people can easily do some background research and learn a lot about other religions and then incorporate them into their stories, no matter if they believe in them or not. In fact, it's actually a lot easier to use the different mythologies of religion in your story as a writer if you don't believe in them. As you can see from this thread, your own bias gets in the way if you actually believe in it.

But that's not to say this theory is true at all. I doubt it myself, because I think Kishi has pretty clearly stuck with Eastern mythology and philosophy with his Naruto story.

I somewhat agree. One doesn't need to know about a religion deeply to borrow random bits. If you are drawing you study drawings from all over the world. At times the similarities are pure coincidence at others some picture you saw infulences when one draws- consiously or unconsiously.

What's more for certain postures and actions the drawings are going to be similar all around the world. If you are drawing a human in different postures, we all asume those postures at one time or another. It's not like a basic picture of me standing on my own two feet will be drawn differently than any other perosn around here..

The theory is looking for similarities when their is none- but that's the fun with theories- they are not facts.

Originally Posted by peaceful

What you are saying is nosense. I being a European knows nothing about the eastern religion although i am really well educated and i am not the average European. Kishimoto who was a fail as a student and did not like at all education is sure to ignore such information...

With due respect, the knowledege of an average Europeans/westerner about other religions is not the world average. And you may be well educated for a teen but, there is world beyond your high school. Still, your limited knowledge about Hinduisn or buddhism didn't stop you, from using it in a theory.

Secondly picking random ideas when drawing something doesn't need much in depth knowledge of any religion.