Aussie, Raven, John Smith, Barnacle, Brian Ross and Karnal: would it be fair to say that you want Toben and his ilk to be silenced, and are willing to see them imprisoned to achieve this, but you realise on some level that it is wrong to imprison a person for their opinion, so you settle for the 'happy coincidence' that Toben was jailed for an unrelated contempt of court, creating a vacuum of causation around his imprisonment in order to allow you to ignore your own views on human rights

no.

Seconded.

Freediver what you seem to fail to grasp is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

Do you believe that you should be able to say whatever you want with absolutely zero consequence?

It depends what you mean by consequence. What you are saying is that there was free speech in Argentina when the consequence was being taped up and dropped from a helicopter into the ocean.

The consequence in Toben's case should be that everyone thinks he's a dickhead.

Free speech means to me means there should be no govt sanction against what you say politically and although we have no bill of rights unfortunately, the high court has found we have a right to free political speech. If what happened in Europe during WWII was not political, I don't know what is.

freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions.

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?

freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions.

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?

You don't understand Mr Smith. FD asks all the questions here. You can ask him about that as well, but he won't answer, you know. It's not his thing.

freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions.

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?

So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?

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Wanker got what he deserved. I doubt anyone cares.

You can tell that by the many threads about it eh? People who care about human rights do. Should people be denied basic freedoms because they are unpopular?