July 27, 2011

"Had the subsequently determined facts and evidence surrounding both the incident for which the award was made and the processing of the award itself been known to the Secretary of the Navy in 1992, those facts would have prevented the award of the Silver Star," [Mabus spokeswoman Pamela] Kunze said.

Sanders is now in jail on child pornography charges. But he's best known as the man who introduced John Kerry at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and, ironically, vouched for the authenticity of Kerry's service.

Sanders is now in jail on child pornography charges. But he's best known as the man who introduced John Kerry at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and, ironically, vouched for the authenticity of Kerry's service.

Conviction of child porn receipt in a federal court requires a mandatory minimum sentence of five years. Mandatory. Without knowing what evidence they found, it's hard to know whether his time in prison is really justified. There are many people in prison on charges like this. Federal prison...you know the "federal" that's going broke. This is true for the many people serving mandatory minimum sentences for drug possession, too.

I found it last night, after being confused as well. (When I REfind the link I'll post it.)

The explanation is as follow: In '92, he was a UnderSecNavsomething in the Clinton admin, and wrote himself up to UPGRADE a Bronze Star that he'd gotten DURING Vietnam TO Silver. Duly, it was awarded.

For some reason, the SecNav now started looking through things, witnesses could either not be produced/nor verified for said action upgrade and they pulled the award, which happened back LAST AUGUST (2010), mind you. It's just being reported now.

Had nothing to do with small children in various states of undress. Just with being a lying sack o' shit poser.

"The explanation is as follow: In '92, he was a UnderSecNavsomething in the Clinton admin, and wrote himself up to UPGRADE a Bronze Star that he'd gotten DURING Vietnam TO Silver. Duly, it was awarded."

In doing further research and talking with others involved. The Silver Star was rescinded last August and just now is being reported in the Navy Times which is dated 7/18/2011 but the print copy was delivered on the 12th. Statements which Wade stated were proven false and he could give not one witnesses to back his statements, nor remember any one involved....

Do not believe that will happen. Sanders received upgraded his Silver Star in 92 under Clinton when Sanders was Assistant Sec of some one in the Navy. That was political to use his position to have his Bronze Star upgraded...

True dat. Good catch and my bust. It was too late last night when we went Googling trying to figure out how someone won a Silver Star for a '68 War in '92, and I just remembered what the old boys on the board had written.

Thanks edutcher. It was Cleland, and I read that it was an honorable injury indeed. And Murtha apparently served honorably as well. So, I wish I never even asked it in writing, but at least I learned something. For one, get my facts straight about vets before I open my pussy-ass civilian mouth.

David, thanks (?) for sending me to that sentencing memorandum. Sick stuff, indeed. Child porn is the crystal meth of the porn world. I would like more reassurance that sickos who produce that vile stuff were pursued as relentlessly as the schlubs who download.

And, it was obvious on it's face that John Kerry is a rich gigolo. Without character. And, thank goodness the Swift Vets ran with the truth ... at a time the Internet wasn't what it is today ... And, kerry didn't win the white house.

Unmentioned. But worth mentioning is how poorly Theresa Heinz showed.

It wasn't just the Swift Vets. John Kerry is married to a woman worse than the Hildabeast! She didn't win her husband any votes.

And, perhaps? Perhaps she was like Joe Kennedy. Who telegramed his son John ... that he wouldn't buy a landslide.

All Theresa got was to taste defeat. And, to claim she really preferred europe.

The stupid party should have been so far ahead by now ... that what is shocking is how poor the leadership within the GOP still is.

There is an old television news broadcast online....Duluth in 1973. There is a large segment on a POW who returned to Duluth that day. He was in prison with John McCain and was highly decerated. This is what a real Vietnam hero looks like.

Thanks edutcher. It was Cleland, and I read that it was an honorable injury indeed. And Murtha apparently served honorably as well. So, I wish I never even asked it in writing, but at least I learned something. For one, get my facts straight about vets before I open my pussy-ass civilian mouth.

I wasn't 100% sure myself, but I seemed to recall Cleland was giving somebody on the other side a hard tome about something defense- or vet-related and the origin of his disability came up.

War criminal, is a tag better applied to the leaders and planners of war; the soldiers on the ground are just hapless meat puppets sent to kill and be killed. Even so, some wartime killings on the ground by soldiers are unquestionably murder, as in My Lai, for example.

And remember too that this was the guy who viciously attacked the Swiftboaters for "not telling the truth"/"lying" about the true nature of Kerry's service and gave political cover to Kerry by dint of the fact he also served in the same command/unit.

And, of course, whose version of events did Charlie Rose and all the really smart people in the MSM believe? Three guesses and the first two don't count, as school-kids would say..

Celand...most of you are probably familiar with it, but the story is that with the new TSA and other post 9-11 laws, he wanted part of the law to say that the new divisions are all gov't unions. Republicans didn't want our security to be tied to Stalinist unions. In the fight, Republicans said Celand is putting unions before our country's security.

Democrats spun that as saying Republicans are questioning his patriotism.

I heard Celend speak live once and he is as nasty a political partison as they come.

War criminal, is a tag better applied to the leaders and planners of war; the soldiers on the ground are just hapless meat puppets sent to kill and be killed.

After all, they were just following orders.

Here are the actual choices. John Kerry was a war criminal who never took responsibility for his own crimes, or John Kerry slandered fellow servicemen by lying about American war crimes and never retracted his lies. Either way, he's disgusting scum.

"Sanders is now in jail on child pornography charges. But he's best known as the man who introduced John Kerry at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and, ironically, vouched for the authenticity of Kerry's service."

Yeah, and Bush smoked dope and drove his daddy's car during the war. But that is OK so long as he cuts taxes. And no pedofile introduced him, thank god. Most of the creeps and criminals just decided to work for him.

Not particularly interested in the details of this sordid story, but Bronze Star medals are awarded for achievement in a combat theater--Now a Bronze Star with "V" Device (valor) is for herorism. The article doesnt appear to have enough detail to make any conclusions. Silver Stars are awarded for Gallantry and are the nation's third highest award for such actions.

… the soldiers on the ground are just hapless meat puppets sent to kill and be killed ...

Sent to kill? Well, not sent to throw marshmallows, that’s for sure. Be killed? Yeah, sometimes. For which they should have your thanks and respect. The only reason you can say shit like this and not be shot in the head is because a lot of “meat puppets” died for your freedom.

Oh, almost forgot: I’m a vet so fuck you. And that traitor Kerry, too.