Are you trying to step between me and Jah with the audacity to claim that you could be my savior? That you would have the life experience and
spiritual ability to council me? You have the effrontery to put yourself in the same sentence with Jesus? That in itself is blasphemy.

Or are you into black magic, or sorcery, and feel that you know me and know my journey and that I have fallen and need your help?

You are using the mental health dysfunctional tactic of; luring people into your web and then slapping them! Is this what Jesus would have done? Are
you a champion of Jesus or your are you promoting your own self interests and your fanaticism? Not a race baiter, but a religious baiter?

Are you looking to set yourself up to be victimized so then you can scream wolf, and claim "religious persecution?"

Shame on you for your arrogance and self-righteousness! You must have had your humility valeted! And Christians wonder why religion is going down?

Rather than debating Christainity vs the world, I'll speculate and try to actually answer the question:

1) Judaism would be much bigger than it is.

2) It's possible there would be more animal sacrifices going on in the world today.

3) The Catholic Church, and everything that exists as a consequence of it would probably not exist. This is big. No habit-wearing nuns, no
"catholic schoolgirl" plaid skirts, no pope, no "Santa Claus," no Crusades, no Spanish Inquisition, there would be fewer people in the world for
lack of the "no contraception" rule,...it's a very long list. The Catholic Church has been a huge contributor to history over the past 1500
years.

4) No Joan of Arc, and thus France would probably still belong to England.

5) Homosexuals would probably generally have faced less persecution throughout history.

6) Spain would probably not have colonized the Americas with quite as much fervor. The people of Middle America would not have been conquered,
and thus the Mayans, the Aztecs, the Toltecs, etc. would perhaps still be powers today. The genetics of that part of the world would be very different
for lack of crossbreeding with the European Spanish peoples, and there would probably be a greater variety of native languages spoken. The area would
be considerably wealthier, and more culturally distinct. Also, not so many places in California would have Spanish names.

7) World war 2 would have played out differently, but it's difficult to speculate how. It's quite possible Hitler would never have come to
power, for lack of support he had amonst Christian Germans. Surprised? Consider a few quote from his book My New Order: "In boundless love as a
Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

I could go on...but I'm sure after #7 most people will have stopped listening.

Some good, some bad, some indifferent. Personally I would be very sad to see catholic schoolgirl skirts go away. But, fewer animal sacrifices is a
good thing.

Rather than debating Christainity vs the world, I'll speculate and try to actually answer the question:

1) Judaism would be much bigger than it is.

2) It's possible there would be more animal sacrifices going on in the world today.

3) The Catholic Church, and everything that exists as a consequence of it would probably not exist. This is big. No habit-wearing nuns, no
"catholic schoolgirl" plaid skirts, no pope, no "Santa Claus," no Crusades, no Spanish Inquisition, there would be fewer people in the world for
lack of the "no contraception" rule,...it's a very long list. The Catholic Church has been a huge contributor to history over the past 1500
years.

4) No Joan of Arc, and thus France would probably still belong to England.

5) Homosexuals would probably generally have faced less persecution throughout history.

6) Spain would probably not have colonized the Americas with quite as much fervor. The people of Middle America would not have been conquered,
and thus the Mayans, the Aztecs, the Toltecs, etc. would perhaps still be powers today. The genetics of that part of the world would be very different
for lack of crossbreeding with the European Spanish peoples, and there would probably be a greater variety of native languages spoken. The area would
be considerably wealthier, and more culturally distinct. Also, not so many places in California would have Spanish names.

7) World war 2 would have played out differently, but it's difficult to speculate how. It's quite possible Hitler would never have come to
power, for lack of support he had amonst Christian Germans. Surprised? Consider a few quote from his book My New Order: "In boundless love as a
Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

I could go on...but I'm sure after #7 most people will have stopped listening.

Some good, some bad, some indifferent. Personally I would be very sad to see catholic schoolgirl skirts go away. But, fewer animal sacrifices is a
good thing.

1) I'm skeptical of the Bible. Anyone who wanted to interfere with Jesus' teaching had plenty of opportunity to do so at the various councils of
Nicea.

2) I'm well aware of all the "God-man" concepts that were popular for the few thousand years prior to zero BC...but I look at it differently than
athiests generally appear to. Yes, there are lots of historical records and folktales from various aprts of the world describing personas that
describe Jesus very closely, some thousands of years before Jesus' alleged birth. Many take that as evidence that there was no Jesus, and that Jesus
was simply yet another myth. Personally, with as many similar stories as there are, it seems to me more likely that there was a genuine
historical figure, and he was given many names, of which Jesus could be one. That does call into question the traditional story of Jesus
though...since many of these stories are too many thousands of years old to fit into the timeframe that most people seem to want to place Jesus. It's
possible that there was a teacher by that name and he was somehow associated with earlier stories...but that's simply speculation. It's difficult to
really settle with certainty on what probably happened. Especially given #1 above, we don't really have any reliable sources of information.

Personally, I find it much easier to dimiss Christianity than Jesus. Most of modern Christianity simply doesn't gel with my worldview, and if it is
"true" then so much of my life's thoughts and beliefs would have to be completely untrue. I'm willing to consider that I may be wrong about
things...but I've never really seen any particular reason to believe any of the "beliefs" that seem to go with Christianity. The whole Christian
perspective on guilt and sin and redemption and blood atonement...it just doesn't work for me. But, I can't dismiss Jesus for that reason. There's
nothing in my experience that contradicts the idea that is represented by the concept of Jesus. The idea of a consciousness of greater spiritual
understanding incarnating into human form and visiting with us seems basically plausible to me.

However, given my particular notions about the universe, it seems unlikely to me that the ultimate destination of my "eternal soul" is dependant on
arbitrarily placing my faith in one particular groups interpretation of an event that supposedly happened two thousand years ago.

Originally posted by Good Wolf
I for one don't like your religious narcissism.

First, it's debatable whether or not JC was even born in the first place. That's not a foregone conclusion.

But it doesn't matter because it's not the man that's affected so many throughout history, but the legend. But even if that wasn't there,
that niche would just be filled by some other alleged anointed one. Afterall a lot of JCs teachings weren't new or unique. The Golden rule for
instance was preached by Confucius long before Jesus's supposed birth. Many anthropologists believe that it was the first moral imperative of man, or
archaic man rather. Hell the world would probably be practicing the religion of Akhenaten- the first christian.

Would the world be different? Yes, but not by much. All the goodness in the world is not attributed to Christianity in any way shape or form. Some of
the worst things in the world are attributed to Christianity. Hitler was inspired by a book called 'On the Jews and their lies' written by
Martin Luther, father of the protestant movement.

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