Atheists target Christmas, Hanukkah displays

For as long as anyone can remember, a Nativity scene has been displayed during the Christmas season in front of the public library in Emmaus, Pennsylvania, but not this year.

After Americans United for Separation of Church and State dangled the threat of a lawsuit, the borough agreed reluctantly to end the tradition this year. The scene has since found a new home on Main Street outside the Emmaus Moravian Church.

Not everyone was happy about it. Some argued that the display honored the borough’s distinctly Christian roots: Emmaus was founded by the Moravians and named after the biblical town where Jesus was seen by two of his disciplines after his crucifixion and resurrection.

“There were a couple of members of the council who felt strongly,” said borough manager Shane Pepe. “Their emotional response was, ‘Why should we bow down once again to an overly sensitive organization that is looking to sue people?’ But we’re not fighting a legal battle over this.”

For atheist and secular rights groups, the holiday season has become the busiest time of the year as they ring in the winter solstice by taking on public Christmas and Hanukkah displays seen as violating church-state separation.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, said her organization has handled hundreds, if not thousands, of such cases over its 40-year history. The foundation now has nine attorneys and two legal assistants on staff.

“All we do in December is this kind of thing,” said Ms. Gaylor. “People will be driving past their city hall on Christmas Eve and send us an email with a picture because they’re offended. It goes on all through December and into January.”

Last week, the city of Dover, Ohio, agreed to move its nativity scene and Ten Commandments display from public property to the grounds of a local church after the foundation threatened legal action.

“We’re not trying to do away with religious displays,” said Ms. Gaylor. “They belong on private property. They don’t belong on governmental property, where the favored religion is endorsed and other people are excluded. That’s what you would expect in a theocracy.”

Often all it takes is a single letter of complaint to convince local governments to remove a creche — or reduce its prominence by adding non-religious symbols like reindeer and Santa — which frustrates religious-freedom groups like Becket.

“There are always some Scrooges trying to spoil the Christmas or Hanukkah season,” said Eric Baxter, Becket vice president and general counsel.

He said he believes the courts are moving away from the idea that a menorah or creche in front of city hall violates the constitutional prohibition against state-sponsored religion unless leavened with secular symbols or thrown open to all comers.

“I think ultimately the Supreme Court is moving toward a standard that says, ‘Look, you can have authentic celebrations that represent the culture of the community as long as you’re not excluding one religion over another,'” said Mr. Baxter. “And just because you have those kinds of displays that are celebrating authentic cultural events doesn’t mean you have to include critical statements of those events or disparaging or cynical statements.”

The current standard has led to eclectic — some would also say whimsical, others ghastly — holiday forums such as the one at the Wisconsin State Capitol, which has featured in the past anti-religious contributions such as a manger scene replacing the baby Jesus with a “flying spaghetti monster.”

Last week, the Satanic Temple was cleared to place a statue at the Illinois Capitol called “Knowledge is the Greatest Gift,” showing a woman’s forearm with an apple.

For 23 years, Ms. Gaylor said her group has placed a winter-solstice sign at the Wisconsin capitol, and has in recent years included a “Bill of Rights nativity” featuring a cut-out of three Founding Fathers and the Statue of Liberty.

“It’s kind of a clutter at this time of year, and we don’t think it really belongs at the state capitol, and we have long said if they didn’t have religion at the state capitol, we would not be there,” said Ms. Gaylor. “But if they’re going to have religion, we’re going to be there, too.”

Three years ago, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott removed the foundation’s “Bill of Rights nativity,” calling it a “juvenile parody,” but a federal court ruled against him last year on First Amendment grounds. He has appealed the decision.

With legal precedents like that, however, it’s little wonder that small towns like Emmaus (population 11,400) are reluctant to charge into the courthouse to defend their nativity scenes.

“It was a tradition in the community based on the history of the community, that’s why it was put up,” said Mr. Pepe. “We got this letter, and quite honestly, it’s not worth fighting in a court of law over something we think we would probably lose. And it’s in a more visible location now anyway.”

Mr. Baxter said he can hardly blame them, given the very real risks of onerous legal costs and negative publicity.

“The courts have made such a mess of this area that a lot of cities and towns are afraid they’ll be sued and they don’t want to spend a lot of money defending themselves, even though there are organizations that would represent them at reduced or no cost,” he said. “But they just figure the hassle is not worth making an issue of this.”

What may turn the tide, he said, are recent cases such as the 2014 decision in favor of legislative prayer in the town of Greece, New York.

Last month, the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case of the Bladensburg Peace Cross in Prince George’s County, which is part of a public war memorial.

If the high court holds that such religious symbols are constitutional, “that would have a big impact on these holiday display cases, reinforcing that the Establishment Clause was intended to prevent coercion, to protect people from being coerced into religious activity that they disagree with,” Mr. Baxter said.

“It wasn’t intended as a government censorship tool to decide what aspects of history and culture are not acceptable in the public square,” he said.

and still no one can fathom a coming war in america over multiple issues and beliefs.
i for one am tired of the minority godless demons charlatons and liberals who wish me and my fellow christian conservatives death pure t eratication from this earth.
you better be getting ready for it.

What is it about liberals, atheists, anti’s-, we are not asking anything of them, just to keep their collective hands off and mouths shut. We don’t care how or what they believe do it amongst themselves and leave the rest of US alone. WE ARE NOT asking you to do anything, believe anything, wear anything, say or pray anything. WE ARE a Christian Nation don’t like it leave.

“We’re not trying to do away with religious displays,” said Ms. Gaylor. “They belong on private property…”

Meanwhile in Birmingham, AL there is a MASSIVE statue of the pagan god Vulcan.LINK

It’s on public land. Not hidden, no not by a long stretch. It’s on a tall pedestal, on a hill overlooking the city. You can see it for miles. The atheists never protest that, because when you work for your father the Devil you only attack the real God, not the fake gods he inspired.

Don’t know how you can say that with a straight face. You look at a statue of Vulcan and understand the son of Juno is a made up story. But you see a plastic baby of a (wink wink) virgin, and you actually think that story is true.

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darby

4:20 pm December 8, 2018 at 4:20 pm

Is there a Vulcan church trying to influence our laws and looking for tax breaks for their place of worship?

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DrBarbara

6:54 pm December 8, 2018 at 6:54 pm

“Last week, the Satanic Temple was cleared to place a statue at the Illinois Capitol called “Knowledge is the Greatest Gift,” showing a woman’s forearm with an apple.”

This is not on private land! And it offends me greatly! What are the “religion cops” going to do about that? These atheists are a joke. They are only interested in what offends them, not what offends Christians.

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nax777

3:13 am December 9, 2018 at 3:13 am

No doubt L’rac did not have a straight face (wink, wink) as only disrespect was displayed. darby, why should “church” people be denied access to the system? Why should only non-church people be allowed to influence our laws and look for tax breaks?
Sense L’rac and darby like to redirect issues. Let me redirect the self-appointed superior intellect of L’rac and darby.
Obviously these two agree that the Pillars of Islam have no place in our public schools. L’rac and darby our public schools, grade schools are teaching Islam.
I am sure these two would denounce the obvious. But L’rac would NOT disrespect Islam and darby would accept the influence of the church of Islam. Two three dollar bills that see themselves as legal tender.

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darby

6:42 pm December 9, 2018 at 6:42 pm

nax777, sorry, must have missed the part of the story that discussed islam in public schools. It obviously belongs back in the 7th century and nowhere near school kids. As far as tax breaks go, can you explain why churches and pastors get tax breaks but Fox News, Hillary’s speeches, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, and my local gun dealer don’t?

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ltuser

4:12 pm December 10, 2018 at 4:12 pm

I always find it stupid how these atheist nuts, are only offended when it comes to christian stuff.. NEVER Satanic.. Never buddist. Never Islamic..

Yep, there are no atheists when they are facing judgment. The sad thing is that when they had the opportunity to follow Jesus they laughed and scoffed. Then they cry out to Him when it is too late.

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darby

7:29 pm December 8, 2018 at 7:29 pm

“Demon worshipping devils.” Wouldn’t that imply that the person is a rotten individual with no redeeming qualities? ”

“…when they are facing judgement.” That would mean you think that those that don’t believe like you deserve never ending pain and torture.

These are things commonly heard by non-believers. A bit on the hostile side and expressed as part of Christianity, yet Christians act surprised and angry when the people insulted don’t want the same religions advertising on land that their tax dollars pay for.

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DrGadget

11:15 pm December 9, 2018 at 11:15 pm

“Wouldn’t that imply that the person is a rotten individual with no redeeming qualities?”

Not necessarily. I’m going to answer your question on the off-chance you’re really looking for truth. The bar for getting into Heaven isn’t a list of “redeeming qualities”. The bar is set at absolute perfection. Nobody can meet this standard and we all deserve to burn in Hell for our sins. That’s pretty grim.

I’m including myself in that. I *KNOW* I deserve Hell for my sins. That’s not in doubt.

On the plus side, Jesus lived that absolute perfect life. Through His blood and His death on the cross, our sins are wiped out by vicarious substitution. He rose, meaning we shall rise.

That whole deal about doing “more good than bad” is not in the Bible. It’s pure Hollywood.

The only redeeming quality you can have is believing on Jesus. Jesus redeems. Nobody/nothing else does. Jesus is the one and only way.

Marvel not that a holy God only made one way for us to stand before Him holy, but marvel instead that God made ANY way for us to be redeemed. We really don’t deserve it. He loved us when we were unlovable.

Jesus paid the biggest price ever paid for anything when he paid for your/my/our sins. If you accept Him, He will in no wise cast you out. Salvation is free for you, but was very costly for Him.

Don’t just read John 3:16. Read John 3:16-18. The world was condemned already. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. That was me. I didn’t find Jesus; He found me. Was lost, now found.

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DrGadget

11:15 pm December 9, 2018 at 11:15 pm

The problem is sin. Jesus is the solution. Don’t be so quick to dismiss Him. Even if you find Christians annoying, look deeper at the message. I did. It makes so much sense it’s almost scary.

There will be a lot of “good” people going to Hell. There will be a lot of jerks going to Heaven. I’m one of them. My sins were many. Jesus stands between the saved and unsaved. He’s the only determinant. Nothing else will get you to Heaven.

There is no natural good in me. But the Holy Spirit has chosen to live through me. If I do any good ever, it will be Him doing it and me getting out of His way. I can’t do any good on my own. I may think of it as good, but it’s just filthy rags before a holy God.

God isn’t just regular holy. He’s holy, holy, holy. In the Bible when anyone met Him they trembled in fear because they knew they were sinners in the presence of holiness. God is overwhelmingly holy.

I could literally go on for hours and even days about the specifics here. Seriously. Look into it soberly. Please. If you’re breathing then it’s not too late. You can know NOW that you are saved.

If I’ve insulted you with talk of Hell, note that I’ve included myself in deserving to go. Every Christian starts out as a Hell-bent sinner. Just change sides.

Open invitation. Please accept.

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DrGadget

11:46 pm December 9, 2018 at 11:46 pm

And bear in mind, God doesn’t want to send you to Hell. If you reject Him, holiness will demand that He does so. He is above all things holy. He’s not going to lie, and He’s already stated that Jesus is the only want to Heaven. You can choose Hell, but it’s not God’s plan for you.

2 Peter 3:9
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus died on the cross specifically for you. He suffered and was humiliated so that you could live and be glorified.

I shouldn’t have to convince you that you’ve ever sinned. We all have. One sin is all it takes. Repent (reject, turn away from) your sins. Accept Jesus’ blood sacrifice on the cross as payment for your sins.

One of the last things He said on the cross was “It is finished.” This was a Hebrew legal term. It also means “Paid in full.”

Jesus isn’t in the business of paying for some of your sins or getting you halfway to Heaven. Nobody is partially saved. You either are or you’re not. Jesus can save to the uttermost. I may not know how big a sinner you are but I know how big a Savior He is. He can make you right before a holy God. He alone can.

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DrGadget

11:47 pm December 9, 2018 at 11:47 pm

Surely you’ve heard the Gospel. Christ died, was buried, and rose again the third day. Simple as that. You already know you’re a sinner. You know where sinners go when they die.

Call upon Jesus to save you from Hell. He will. He doesn’t turn people away.

Then once you get saved, you might have doubts. That’s normal. You’re still saved but you can’t believe it was that simple. That’s when you need assurance.

Jesus doesn’t partially save people. When you get saved you are saved. You’re not kept saved by your own faith. You’re kept by God’s faithfulness. It’s out of your hands. God has you in His hand and no man can pluck you out, not even yourself.

Hope this helps.

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darby

8:32 am December 10, 2018 at 8:32 am

DrGadget, I think I did a poor job in trying to get across my point. There are people like myself that truly believe there is no god of any sort. They do not believe this way to defy something they do not believe exists. I am simply attempting to show how there could be things said that would come across different from what was intended. I appreciate you time in your response, but how many times in conversation do you have the opportunity to give such a ling response?

I have actually read the Bible as an atheist (which is more than most Christians I’ve met) and have been surrounded by Christians my whole life. Even spent time as a nonbeliever in a private Christian school. In America the number of nonbelievers is growing. Sometimes it is helpful to understand things from their perspective. Don’t have to agree, but you might see why what you consider hostility and hate is simply viewed as a little pushback by them.

It is they themselves that would not only lose the lawsuit but pay the court expenses if representatives of THE PEOPLE had the guts to risk 5 minutes of their time to read the Constitution instead of quaking in their boots.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” Displays of Baby Christ falls under no “prohibiting the free exercise thereof’ of religious beliefs. I’ll agree with the Liberals when they can show me in our Constitution where it says anything like “Separation of Church and state? ,,,IT DOES NOT.
The phrase “separation between church & state” is generally traced to a January 1, 1802, (15 years after the ratification) letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Jefferson was one man, not a dictator and many more men than Jefferson were involved in CREATING the Constitution. If we must get technical then it is to be noticed that Church and State does not mention Church and Federal Government?? And definitely does not mention separation of GOD from government which was eschewed by almost all the founding fathers.
Secular atheism is itself the religion of the lost and if they want Christ removed then we have a right to censor or remove the media pornography from our Cable TV, movies, and political discussions.

If they truly believe in the separation that the Church shall have NO POWER over the state and the state shall have NO POWER over the Church, then how is it possible to remove religious displays from public property. It can only be done by force, the exerting of power over the other

Which means they do NOT believe in the separation of Church and state

They believe the state has power over the Church

To the liberals, the state is the almighty. It is their god

This is the way they have been for as long as I can remember. They think the state gives them rights. It is their creator

And they get all their power, ALWAYS, from spineless worms who ALWAYS take one step back a give them ground to stand

It is why many of us have dumped the Democrats and the establishment Republicans they ALWAYS sell us, the people, out to give the state more power.

The Bible could not be fulfilled by the coming of the antichrist without them.

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darby

4:40 pm December 8, 2018 at 4:40 pm

Not sure where you are reading the first and seeing a right to access my wallet to help fund and advertise your religious beliefs.
I don’t worry much about Christmas displays but I do think the cultural argument is better than religious is better. The thing that gets me is limited government types demanding a right to my tax dollars to fund their beliefs. If that is where your heart is, then great – dig deep into your own pocket to fund private property and whatever you want on it.

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Jota_

10:46 pm December 8, 2018 at 10:46 pm

“Not sure where you are reading the first and seeing a right to access my wallet to help fund and advertise your religious beliefs.”

Since they have been doing it since its founding why are you living there for them to tax?

You are missing the point. It is “public” land. If you are using “public” land to promote a particular religion (don’t say it’s not, or people would not be making this big a fuss), then make room for the Muslims, Wiccans etc.
Just move it across the street to a church.

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Jota_

11:04 pm December 8, 2018 at 11:04 pm

“You are missing the point. It is “public” land.”

You do not understand the concept of how it is public land

It exist by those who believe in private property need a space where they can express their views not repress them

I welcome the debate with any religion on their views they cannot stand against what is Christian

Show me any other religion which has as their god the belief that to be the greatest of all is to be the servant of all

The message found in the Bible is G-d has given YOU all he is and he gave his only begotten son for YOU as proof

And to be as him requires you to be the servant of all

It is about lifting others up so they can know the power of G-d is within them, that it is his pleasure to GIVE YOU the kingdom

The public square needs to be filled with every argument, every view and those who see need to be free to laugh at and ridicule all those who fail so that they can come to the knowledge of the truth

It is a place of a free market of ideas, not pampered views

The Church has grown weak from the lack of a good fight

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

The schools and the courts are turning out these snowflakes by the millions. It’s sue for this and sue for that, but when they lay on their bed and begin to die, they will ask the Lord for forgiveness. We must continue to pray for them. They have taken Christ out of Christmas, by trying to give it new names and replace the creche with santa clause. It has not worked for hundred of years, and it will not, because the Lord is Lord. praise the Lord.

These so called athiest groups are not really what they pretend to be. Real athiests are not offended by religious displays. If you do not believe in higher powers you are not threatened by other people’s displays of their belief. We are offended by blue laws and other legislated morality. Your desire to send everyone to church is no reason to close bars or other legal businesses. It is my belief the so called athiest groups are more adherants to the dark side, whatever you may call it.

Merry Christmas to you all! Christmas is celebrated in every country in the world. If the heathen snowflakes want to protest and beat their heads against the wall, we must let them. We cannot let them dampen our Christmas spirit!

Dennis Prager, a Jew, says he celebrates Christmas because it’s a national holiday. I had to stop and consider that. Was he being stupid, hypocritical, or did he have an actual point?

I decided he had a point.

None of my ancestors were on the Mayflower. I celebrate Thanksgiving.

None of my ancestors were here in 1776. I celebrate Independence Day.

They’re national holidays. If there’s any value at all to them, why not celebrate them for the value they have? I know a lot of the common Thanksgiving story was wrong. So what? I can thank God and honor my own traditions. I don’t normally watch the Macy’s Parade because I don’t find value there. I love Thanksgiving, and am protective the the point where I don’t like people celebrating Christmas too soon. Christmas has the whole month of December, and even a few days in January before you take the tree down. Give Thanksgiving a full day already.

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DrBarbara

7:01 pm December 8, 2018 at 7:01 pm

Yep, there are no atheists when they are facing judgment. The sad thing is that when they had the opportunity to follow Jesus they laughed and scoffed. Then they cry out to Him when it is too late.

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DrGadget

11:32 pm December 9, 2018 at 11:32 pm

I love the story of the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40).

He accompanied his queen to Judea. Someone must have told him about the Temple, so he went. He was following the small amount of light he had.

When he saw the Temple he went inside to hear the Word. More light.

When he heard Scripture, he asked if he could buy some. And it was super expensive back then, hand-scribed. He bought possibly the Book of Isaih, but definitely Isaiah 53. More light.

He tied to read it and understand the Man of Sorrows. At that point he ran out of light and was confused.

God sent Philip to go talk to him. Philip saw he was reading about the Man of Sorrows (Jesus) and knew just what to do. He preached Jesus. God sent him enough light to be saved.

He got saved and baptized.

Every man is allotted some portion of God’s light. If you follow the light you have, God will eventually lead you to salvation. Light leads to God. If God can do that for this guy, He can do it for anyone.

It is all about power, they call us Nazis, and white supremist. Maybe they should pick up a history book and read up a little. Or maybe a dictionary.
Na·zism; historical, the political principles of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. “the rise of Nazism in prewar Germany”
Derogatory; extreme racist or authoritarian views or behavior.
“a civil rights proponent says the action smacks of Nazism” “accusations of racism and Nazism”
White supremacy – Wikipedia
White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews.
That does sound to me more like how the left acts than the right.
The non-tolerant, tolerant left is all about restricting our rights, labeling us as hateful, why? Because we won’t give up our guns, our Bibles, our God, or our constitutional rights afforded us by the for the most part God fearing Founding Fathers who had the for site to know what satan would be using his demoncrats for in 2018!

So all these Atheists are gearing up again to destroy Christmas and Hanukkah which if they do not believe in God should not bother them and they should ignore since they do not believe He exists. Also if these so called Atheists are so anti-religion that they have special lawyers set up all over the US, how come I have not seen them in full force demanding that the Muslims not be allowed to pray in schools during classes??? Why are they not out in force demanding that women remove their head scarfs while in school or if working at any Government agency since they are demanding anything Christian or Jewish, or Buddhist, or Hindu cannot be displayed?? Why are they so silent when it come to Muslims demanding, not asking or requesting, but demanding that their Muslim beliefs be allowed?? Where are all the powerful leaders of these other religions and why are they not in the courts demanding that if the Muslims can have their beliefs in the schools and government places then Christians, Jews, Buddhist,and Hindu’s should also be allowed to have their religious customs be allowed as well.

Nora, those are all very good questions, ones which I have asked many times myself. It seems the “religion cops” are only interested in eradicating Christianity and Judaism. Islam, Hinduism, Eastern religions, Wicca, Church of Satan, Atheism and all manners of Humanism are fine with them.

A nativity scene ‘offends’ them because it’s antithetical to their belief, so to accommodate their complaints, the weak minded who lack the will to defend their faith cave into threats, yet if Christians complain about gratuitous displays of homosexual behavior, they are accused of being hate-filled bigots.

I believe it’s time to start targeting those who believe their feelings supersede Christian free speech.

The United States is a representative democracy. Democracy means rule by the majority of the population. The majority of the U.S. population identifies as Christian.

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overlord

2:13 pm December 8, 2018 at 2:13 pm

We are not a Democracy. We’re barely a Republic anymore. Do you think what this country wants is remotely represented in Washington? Ideologues disguised as judges along with lawyers have been chipping away for years. We also have IMHO outright criminals in the Democratic party that act like an organized mob to steal this county. Lots of illegal activity going on with the Dems. Even in the DOJ that protect them to death. Otherwise there would be a lot of Dems in jail.

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Jota_

3:46 am December 10, 2018 at 3:46 am

“The United States is a representative democracy”

Which is really the problem, since Lincoln’s war on the states we have all came to believe we need to put all our eggs in one basket, the United States rather than each individual state.

We know that if you want a good harvest you plant when conditions are best for the seed, not when you imagine.

Those who don’t learn such simple things go hungry, but with the federal government bailing them out, so it gains more power, the people learn not how to manage their own life but how to milk the system.

You can believe anything you want but if it fails to make your life better it is worthless

The power of the gospel is that G-d has given you all he is and that is what is love

I am both an atheist, an agnostic and a believer

If one really thinks about it the very existence of a supreme being requires he both be everything and nothing or he is not all.

Which then causes the question of what is nothing? Only what we do not know. So G-d is both knowable and unknowable making me an atheist, an agnostic and a believer all at the same time

Did not arrive at this by some divine revelation but logic

There is more power in the gospel than any message ever given

And that is said with the knowledge that the words in the Bible, particularly the New Testament, have had those who think like Eve, G-d needs our help, so have added things which makes Jesus into a miracle man

The Truth is a threat to the serial liars of the radical left. Any acknowledgement of God or His holy word, the Bible, is attacked with vile hatred in an attempt to silence the Truth; leaving only disinformation, distortions, and outrageous lies. This battle is not just “political” but, more importantly, a spiritual struggle between the evil forces of Satan and the righteous Lord of all creation .

There are many groups that influenced our laws and looking for tax breaks. These said groups are constantly influencing private and public lands. These said groups constantly demand to worship on private and public lands. These said groups are protected and law enforcement used (fines/jail time) toward anyone or thing that rejects their worship.
People apart of these said groups have been elected or appointed to PUBLIC offices. Proudly worship from a public seat of power. Proudly rule based on worship from a public seat of power. Proudly display worship in a public seat of power. Changing requirements in private and public arenas to allow worship displays.

More we are losing the country to SPINELESS cowards in charge, who continualy fold at even the THREAT or hint of lawsuits.. Rather than having folk who have the BALLS TO stand up and say “GO THE HELL AHEAD, the law is on my side you cretins!”

And the street fighting legal battles move through the lower courts and ultimately to the highest court in the land where the most illimitable legal minds try to get into the heads of White Anglo-Saxon Calvinists….that’s funny.

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"Are the democrats really against walls and claim they are ineffective, if they are really ineffective why do the rich democrat elite have walls , guard houses, around their residences. perhaps the reason the democrats don't like border walls is that they work and the democrats don't like having the horde of immigrants interfered with or slowed down."Comment by sotheseedsofliberty2
Posted in Somebody got their widdle feelings hurt

"I am still sick to my stomach a US JUDGE ruled that asking it was illegal..
HOW?? If it was illegal, then were all those censuses asked from 1890 to the 1950s all illegally performed???"Comment by ltuser
Posted in Navigating the Nancy Pelosi shutdown