Anything can be a weapon in the hands of a skilled user. I did not state that this was an ideal weapon, merely that it has the potential to be used as one. Part of it's effectiveness lies in the fact that it is a distraction for some and that it is not recognized for it's potential.

Car keys are one, too, actually. Press the fob or key ring into the heel of your hand and grip a long key tightly. If you jab the belly button, the attacker is likely to think you actually have a knife and flee. Jabbing at the eyes is effective, as well and it comes with the bonus of watching the former attacker bumbling into things during his hasty escape.

My grandfather taught me that one as a kid. But I didn't have a car so had to rely on Kung Fu instead.

Anything can be a weapon in the hands of a skilled user. I did not state that this was an ideal weapon, merely that it has the potential to be used as one. Part of it's effectiveness lies in the fact that it is a distraction for some and that it is not recognized for it's potential.

Too late, I've seen at least half a dozen movies where a stiletto heel gets jammed into someones temple. Anyhow, stiletto is Italian for dagger. High heels in general make me think of osteopathic disorders.

I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
Lucky me. Lucky mud.-Kurt Vonnegut Jr.-
Cat's Cradle.

And if your thinking I changed the subject of this thread. Look at posts #174 - #190.

My last few posts were more in touch, with the subject matter of previous posts, than posts #174 - 190.

Chad,

I have tried several times to bring this thread back to the topic of self-defense, even 'rolling with the punches' and tossing in a few questionable posts of my own as a tactic to return to the original subject matter.

You don't seem to want to get past the rough patches.

I'm about out of options.

It is far more gratifying to see the forum community assist an elder in learning how to post images on another thread than in discussing matters here any further.

It is far more gratifying to see the forum community assist an elder in learning how to post images on another thread than in discussing matters here any further.

You may regret saying that later...

Very well, I'll give my two bits now, since it seem unavoidable.
Chad, no one here is my minion. I may agree with others sometimes and they may agree with me sometimes and on another topic, we'll be pulling our hair out trying to get our points across. It's not a cult, it's not a clique; it's just people that try to get along while discussing topics of opinion.

Now, I have a history of having a temper and really telling people off harshly. Since I'm a newbie, here, I have been trying to keep my cool and behave myself- trying to avoid this conflict with you.

To take my words out of context as you have done is probably one of the biggest peeves that sets me off. It's been a struggle. So, instead, I reported you then sat back. Nothing happened. I tried treating it with humor, then I tried ignoring it. I even liked posts as a snarky way of striking back without posting on the tangent.
It seems you don't want it ignored and I don't want to keep bringing the topic back to it.

If people are ignoring you, Chad, it's because you're bothering them with your inaccurate assumptions, speculations and accusations. It's not because I told them to do so.

Now, I'm going to go back to making a conscious effort into not letting you get under my skin.

Will you, Neverfly, and the elders, get all of them to put me on ignore?

I don't need to put you on ignore in order to ignore you.

If I was a mod here I'd make you wear this troll face as your avatar until your attitude was properly adjusted.

EDIT: Well I am a moderator. Image deleted.

If you're annoyed by someone or something, hit report post and see if you can do something. You can ignore entirely or you can try to get more sense back into the conversation, but don't inflame with this sort of thing. It cannot help and it could easily make things worse.

If things stay the same here (or get worse), closing the thread will be the only option.

Last edited by adelady; November 27th, 2012 at 09:21 PM.
Reason: see note

Fuck....Neverfly couldn't lead lemmings over a cliff. (Chad..that's a burn..not an insult) I'd like to know how many of you have actually had a gun pointed in your face. I have 3 times. You can say "oh I'd do this"...but until it happens...you don't know shit. All you want to do is make sure this 17 year old doesn't kill you for $23.

Perhaps you know a few things about the ways of men?
But you know "nothing" about the most important thing.
The most important thing within a group of men is "respect."
EDIT: The rest of this entry had little to do with respect, and even less with restraint or common decency or common sense.

I'm going to play kindie coordinator now.

Everybody has been behaving badly here. Stop it.
All of you.
If you think the topic has run its course, I'll happily close it. (I've not bothered to read all of the above posts carefully so I'm not going to try and pick where it went off the rails.)

Let me know. Or move on to other threads. Or get back to the topic.

Last edited by adelady; November 27th, 2012 at 09:29 PM.
Reason: see above

If you're annoyed by someone or something, hit report post and see if you can do something. You can ignore entirely or you can try to get more sense back into the conversation, but don't inflame with this sort of thing. It cannot help and it could easily make things worse.

I did report him. Long time ago. Nothing happened. Chad has continued, unchecked on his ad hom spree with off topic Paranoid rants while you moderate Arkane for finally, after 20 posts or so, lashes back at him. I've had pity for him. I've been bothered by the fact that his claims hit up on Google for all to see my name compared with Charles Manson.

Please do not recommend that we take futile actions. If you're going to moderate, then do it evenly- Moderate. If you did not moderate, you can hardly complain when the members, after a time, speak out. Lacking moderation, Chad continued to try to make things worse.

And if your thinking I changed the subject of this thread. Look at posts #174 - #190.

My last few posts were more in touch, with the subject matter of previous posts, than posts #174 - 190.

Chad,

I have tried several times to bring this thread back to the topic of self-defense, even 'rolling with the punches' and tossing in a few questionable posts of my own as a tactic to return to the original subject matter.

You don't seem to want to get past the rough patches.

I'm about out of options.

It is far more gratifying to see the forum community assist an elder in learning how to post images on another thread than in discussing matters here any further.

Just saying...

Where were you .....................................?

EDIT: Chad. Let it go. We all know you're offended. So are a couple of other people.

Leave the topic alone for a while and let everyone reset their pushed buttons back to neutral.

I'll get back to you in a few minutes seagypsy. (The temp outside is fast approaching the predicted 37C and I have to rescue some hanging baskets from the buckets they're soaking in before they drown.)

adelady

Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.

adelady, I don't think closing the thread is the only option. I am aware that chad was reported by neverfly and I pmed you regarding options on dealing with him myself.
I was told something was probably going to happen but so far he isn't showing any signs that any mod has told him to stop or anything. Reporting him went ignored.

Chad is the problem here, not the thread. Perhaps he can be given a break from the forum(suspension) and delete the off topic posts revolving around his rants. Seems simple enough. Perhaps it would do well to revoke his permissions to edit his posts as well, since he seems to abuse the feature.

To Neverfly and the Elders, (FORMER)P.S.K.headvoiceschiefouttheyletmefreeandwe recomingforyouneverflygivesheadacheicontrolbodybre athhahahahahHAHAWANTYOUNFHAHA I THINK THE ELDERS AND MINIONS, are Neverflys/ and his wife's actual target!! (honest, you have my word!!)

(I am just messing with them above. They mentioned voices in my head, and gave orders to treat me like a bum, in this thread)

Its Neverfly, and his wife that are saying the crazy stuff. (While they have you all coming after me.)
Neverfly speaks of being my daddy, me being his son, claiming special minions, his close friends being the elders, him being Charismatic, and he loves everyone hearing he is a cult leader. He stands like a leader, and he talks like Charles Manson. ( And you all are protecting him, and coming after me,)

I am just glad I am out of Neverflys world. You are all a pack of primates, connected by the strongest/complex social bonds in nature. You are all connected by bonds of friendship/ reproduction. There are cult leaders in our species. These cult leaders subconsciously, or purposely manipulate people to make them their followers. Cult leaders manipulate with words, so a cult leaders could manipulate here. So everything i have said is possible. And Neverflys behavior shows he is a leader. And his language shows he is like Charles Manson.

His wife, who has stated "she is his equal partner in crime" she appears to give orders (I have noticed this several times.) Will her orders/suggestions above be followed? Will her posted list of minions, to put me on ignore, all follow the orders like CrisGoritz did?

This lady posts about "being neverflys partner in crime", in a world of elders and minions, and you all trust her like a Saint. She also uses cruel words to describe the homeless, ex.ex.ex. All of you give her the respect, of someone like Lynx_Fox. But Lynx_Fox does not give out orders, while she speaks of being partners in crime, with a man who claims minions. THIS KIND OF INSANE LEADER THREATENS TO TAKE OVER THIS FORUM.

When you all close my threads and posts, it rips up my soul. And you all are closing them, on me recently. I am being threatened with being banned from the forum. You all attack me, with warnings and closed posts/threads. It leaves me in shambles. While you all protect Neverfly, as he claims minions, and does his other Charles Manson stuff.

But in reality, how much damage could someone like Charles Manson or David Karresh, do in a forum?

But still, WATCH OUT FOR NEVERFLY, (and human primates bonded with him.) He calls his crew "the elders." Also watch out for the forum members that Neverfly calls his minions. Charles Manson was real, David Karrish was real. This world has cult leaders. (all of these crazy terms I say, were said by Neverfly, or the elders as he calls them.)

(Neverfly also spoke of himself being Charismatic.) An important trait in cult leaders. I was highly impressed by him/NF when I first met him.

All of this is controlled by animal social bonds, (and words), and a primate group "friend" social structure. Neverflys wife, self professed "equal partner in crime" has posted lists naming, their minions or elders.

I can tell you neverfly is happy with all this attention, and well protected by all of you. (Crazy stuff) I think the best thing i can do, is stop giving him the attention he loves, and poke my head in the forum in a few weeks. I just thought how neverfly is speaking to female members now, I remember how he described himself, perhaps he will make all the women here fall in love with him? Charles Manson sure did it, and Neverfly uses terms/words like Charles Manson.

You all are as blind as bats. To be blunt, most of you cant see a federal deficit, when It bites you on the nose, and you cant see them either.You all are surrounded by jokes about s. with dead mothers, Curse words,/// people claiming minions, A group of forum members being the elders, Neverfly being other mens daddy,men being neverflys child, Neverflys wife giving orders, CrisG. being Neverflys minion.ex.ex.ex.ex. (this is not normal) And its Neverfly, and his wife saying the crazy stuff. (While they have you all coming after me.)

Hopefully what ever this is, will only be able, to mess with peoples thoughts. (Neverflys Elders and minions, may be taken the worst.)

Since NF uses terms like Manson, perhaps he will make all the women here, fall in love with him? (just like manson did)
Perhaps he will do things, to expose people to stupid/vulgar/retarded behavior
Or maybe just make you look like idiots (in his own mind.)

Perhaps neverfly gets enjoyment from seeing people do what he desires.
I know NF loves me saying these "cult leader" things about him, maybe he said the minion talk to get me to do this?

I dont see how he can actually "physically" hurt you all.
But when I saw Neverflys claimed minion CrisGilitz, rise up and publicly post block me for Neverfly, that was scary!!
Also 2 females seemed to come after me with warnings/post editing above, while other much worse violations were allowed to remain. Did their social bonds with Neverfly, cause them to protect Neverfly? Or did social bonds with his wife cause it?

I get the feeling Neverfly, and his wife (who said she was his partner in crime) will get many of you to befriend them. And then manipulate you. (Things like this happen in cults.)

(One of the people Neverfly calls an elder or minion, spoke of a "conspiracy")
I can not say its a larger group, because I see no real world evidence, were it already happened.
Have cult leaders like Charles Manson ever worked in groups?
Who knows? All of your post attacks, warnings, and threats, have shut my brain down. But what really sucks is you all protect neverfly, when he acts like charles manson right in front of your faces?

I just hope everyone on the list, does not do what CrisGoriltz did.
But when you think about how Neverfly, uses terms/words like Manson, and he had 2 females attacking me tonight. (not good)

Good news is, I am away from neverfly. Bad news is, he acting like charles manson in front your faces, and it seems he will form bonds, with many forum members. Perhaps bonds with huge amounts of female members?

(I believe its possible Neverfly may see you all, in similar ways as I see him, the elders, and minions bellow.)

When I mess with Neverfly, or the elders/minions. And post them their own posted stupid "terms". I notice the next time they speak to me, how the words I said to them before, effected them "in the next things they said." They seem ((very)) close.

I can also notice/see the men that protect neverfly. After I say true/bad things about neverfly, I can see a group of men (standing) in the thread, they are there just to protect neverfly. (I can see them as clear as day) I see them waiting in line, my brain sees them like radar.
((I believe neverfly may/will see you all in similar ways.)) I am also beginning to think, how those women protected neverfly/charles manson.

When CrisGor. posted he "clicked"stopped seeing my posts, for neverfly. At that moment, it was like I could (feel) him.
I see the men who protect NF (very clearly). Its like a chess board in my head, and they are the pieces.

Point is neverfly may/does, see you all in similar ways, like pieces on a chess board in his brain. He may see you all waiting in line, just like i see the men waiting to protect neverfly. And he may feel his followers/friends, just as I felt his minion Crisgoriliz, when he blocked my posts.

I also believe its possible Neverfly, and his followers, sent out huge amounts of private messages, complaining about me. Then NF manipulates more while the complaints are in peoples minds. NF said he complained about curse words being said, (a manipulation to make everyone believe he is the good guy)

Perhaps he purposely posted me "the claiming minion's posts", to get this whole event we are seeing here. AND HE USES THE SAME TECHNIQUE, with other people as well. Perhaps he can use that technique, in multiple subjects. And get people to respond just as I am doing here. But when they respond no one notices.

There is posting that neverfly, has known the elders or minions, from other forums, and they are very close.

I imagine neverfly/manson, his wife, the elders, the minions, the followers, his women, ex,ex,ex.are all planning a huge attack on me. I am in fear of being banned, but I am sure Neverfly is well respected/protected.

I am so glad I am out your world neverfly, and the world of the elders and minions. Now its time for me to separate myself from this forum, it beats me.
My feeling is right now, Neverflys wifes orders will be followed by all. Perhaps this thread/post is just what Neverfly wanted, (he told me all these things)

For a moment I could see how cult leaders, consider their followers to be their children. But I am running away from it, I dont want to know that.
These people are your children neverfly, not mine. I dont want them, and i dont want to see them that way.
(note: Neverfly has called me his child.)

The delete/warning/threat beating tonight, it was a good one. It took away my grounding.

He reminds me of the kid Neverly and I take care of. He flips out in a similar manner if you tell him star trek came out before star wars. And never make the mistake of mentioning that kittens can die. He will be screaming "why?!?!" for hours and insisting that we are the murderers of all things cute and fuzzy.

Chad has ignored me completely where i told him how to put people on ignore. Either he is mentally ill, or he is just douchebag kid trying to have fun with the forum. either way, we should do what we do with all crazy bums on the street, avoid eye contact and pretend they aren't there.

This lady posts about being "Neverflys equal partner in crime", in a world of elders and minions, and you all trust her like a Saint. All of you give her the respect, of someone like Lynx_Fox. But Lynx_Fox does not give out orders, while she speaks of being equal partners in crime, with a man who publicly claims minions.

Neverfly, his wife, and the people Neverfly calls "the elders", are making a very strong stand in this forum.
It has been posted that "the elders", have been friends with Neverfly for a long time.

Neverflys friends/elders are posting the word Fu-- and Sh--.
Speaking of S. reproduction jokes with their dead mothers.
Having huge post runs in threads, that have the content of a AOL singles chat room.

Something is going on here.

Are they a group of forum wreckers?

Could these people be owners or moderators, from another forum. Coming here to spread insanity, singles chat room talk, the posting of vulgar words, ex.ex.ex. ?

The group that Neverfly calls the elders and minions, are making a strong stand in this forum.

The only thing going on, is that a few members from Sciforums have made this their new home, as Sciforums was being modded to death. For the record, I was one of those posting vulgar words, and I've been asked by the Administration to tone it down a bit, and I have gladly complied.

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." Winston Churchill"nature is like a game of Jenga; you never know which brick you pull out will cause the whole stack to collapse" Lucy Cooke