The Knights of Columbus

I am the only person in my family that converted to Roman Catholicism. My father disowned me the day I announced that I was being baptized as a
Catholic.

I am a Knight of Columbus.

Until very recently, if any Catholic joined the Mason's, he was automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church. This is because, until
very recently, the Masons were virulently anti-Catholic.

In the 1980's, the automatic excommunication for any Catholic that joined the Mason's was removed. The Church still strongly advises against any
Roman Catholic joining the Masonic Orders. But, unless one actively works against the Church, it will no longer automatically result in
excommunication.

BUT, one may NEVER be a member of both the Masonic Orders and the Knights of Columbus. If one is, then you are violating the oath you have taken in
order to become a Knight. You have also demonstrated, in the most obvious way, that you do NOT support the Catholic Church by joining such an
organization.

It does not matter what some other Knight, Priest, Brother, Nun, etc. may tell you in their ignorance. I have had various Priests, etc. tell me many
things over the past 60 plus years that were in error. There are Priests that also do not follow the solemn vows they took upon ordination. That
doesn't make them right, does it? Any more than telling you that you can belong to both organizations is correct.

The simple fact is, that the Knight's of Columbus, as an organization, very specifically prohibits any member from also being a member of the
Mason's. This is fact, not just opinion.

Any person that claims to be a member of both should query up through the Knight's organization to find out just how strong this prohibition is. If
they should bring their membership to the attention of the governing bodies of the Knight's, they will quickly be stripped of their membership in the
Knights.

One simply can not be a true member of an organization that supports the Catholic Church, and also be a member of an organization that fought against
the Catholic Church for centuries.

Free Masonry was virulently anti-catholic from its beginnings, right up through the 1960's. It was also considered a path to power and influence by
many.

In the late 18th and first half of the 19th century, in the America's, Masons tried to control the government. They did control many counties in
some states, particularly in the Northeast. They violently controlled their members, resorting to murder and other forms of intimidation toward
anyone that tried to expose their practices.

That is fact, not just opinion. It has been well documented through many court cases, where Masons were convicted of such acts. It was proven that
these acts were approved at the very highest levels of the organization.

The result was revulsion, and a virtual death of the organization. They lost much of their assets, many chapters closed and their membership
plummeted. By the early 1860's, they had virtually no influence in the American political scene at all.

The Masonic orders reorganized into a much more benign and fraternal order. They dropped most of their political activities, outlawed violent
retaliation against members that exposed ritual, etc., and became more of an asset to the general community, instead of just being an asset to
Masons.

It was the Masonic orders that had led much of the "Know Nothing" types of activities against the Irish and against Catholics in general. They
openly advocated anti-catholic legislation, laws that prevented Catholics from holding office, etc. They worked hard to try to stop immigration from
predominately Catholic countries, believing that all Catholics were inherently "anti-American".

As late as the 1960's, prominent Masons were still publicly arguing that Catholics were not suitable to hold public office.

My father was a Mason for all of his adult life. I am VERY familiar with the fact that the Masonic Orders were virulently anti-catholic into the
1960's.

So, please, don't try to pass off the pap that the Knights of Columbus are modeled on the Masons. They are not, and never were modeled on the
Masonic Orders.

They were organized to help Roman Catholic men. They were involved in providing life insurance for Catholic men, in an era when most insurance
companies refused to cover them. They provided for the widows and orphans of Catholic men. They fought against the rappant discrimination against
Catholics in hiring, housing, and in virtually all other aspects of life.

The Masons were a LOT more concerned with holding Catholics down, and preventing any more of them from coming into the USA. They fought against civil
rights for Catholics (and Jews, Blacks and virtually everyone but White Protestants).

No, there is only the most superficial similarities between the Masonic Orders and the early Knights of Columbus.

Today, thank God, most Masons would reject the practices of the past. The Masonic Orders are no longer racist, anti-catholic, etc. Unfortunately, in
the USA, they are still sexist, prohibiting women from becoming Masons. That is NOT the case in most of Europe.

Maybe, someday, the Catholic Church will lift its prohibition against Catholics becoming Masons. But, as it stands, no Roman Catholic may become a
member of any Masonic Order, and remain in good standing with their church.

My father was a third degree knight and after his passing we found a blue mask/hood that was used in this ceremony. Obviously there is some ritual in
this ceremony. I'm sure he would be horrified to know we found it. Can anyone tell me what the significance of the hood is? Thanks.

Originally posted by OldMedic
Free Masonry was virulently anti-catholic from its beginnings, right up through the 1960's. It was also considered a path to power and influence by
many.

I think the Masonic Fraternity was and is opposed to dogma over truth. To the extent that the RCC promoted dogma over truth (e.g. Gallileo), it was
opposed by Freemasonry.

(much piffle snipped)

[It was the Masonic orders that had led much of the "Know Nothing" types of activities against the Irish and against Catholics in general. They
openly advocated anti-catholic legislation, laws that prevented Catholics from holding office, etc. They worked hard to try to stop immigration from
predominately Catholic countries, believing that all Catholics were inherently "anti-American".

I would love to see a source for this, please.

So, please, don't try to pass off the pap that the Knights of Columbus are modeled on the Masons. They are not, and never were modeled on the
Masonic Orders.

Soooo.... three degrees followed by honorary degrees. Ceremonies involving oaths, etc. It's all just a coincidence? The KoC was started to provide a
fraternal organization for Roman Catholic men to keep them from wanting to join the Masons, the Oddfellows, and anything else the Church didn't
directly control. Wake up.

They fought against civil rights for Catholics (and Jews, Blacks and virtually everyone but White Protestants).

Slight error here. The fact is that a great number of Jewish Brethern have been Masons from its earliest public apperance.

Unfortunately, in the USA, they are still sexist, prohibiting women from becoming Masons. That is NOT the case in most of Europe.

Wonderful! I was unaware of the moral advances of the Roman Catholic Church under Ratzinger. I look forward to seeing Dames of Columbus, female
priests, women Cardinals, and, finally, a Pope with earrings to match the rest of the finery.

C'mon... pot, meet kettle.

Maybe, someday, the Catholic Church will lift its prohibition against Catholics becoming Masons. But, as it stands, no Roman Catholic may
become a member of any Masonic Order, and remain in good standing with their church.

Yeah, yeah... and you can't be pro-choice and be Catholic. And you can't use family planning tools and be Catholic. And you can't etc, etc.

The days when the Church had the power to be that choosey about its membership are pretty well over.

I was raises Catholic and married in the Lutheran church, don't really attend any at the moment, but I've been a Mason for almost two years now. If
you do some basic research, you will learn that the church's main problem with Freemasonry is that in the 17th century, Freemasons talked about
democracy and freedom of religion which were horrible ideas to the church. The church at that time really needed to be reigned in.

Most Catholics I know could care less about all the rules, my own sister's second marriage was performed by a married Catholic priest. My father is
in the KOC, was Grand Knight of his Council for two years back in the 90's and after going to two dinners at the Mason's with me, they prefer those
to the KOC ones. Some of the fanantical Catholics on here will probably squirm when they hear this, but next year at the Grand Lodge Bull and Oyster
Roast, my father is going to have a couple tables of his KOC friends, he told them how good it was this year.

The church has to maintain a very delicate balance, if the tick off to many members, the money will go bye bye, which is why the threat of
excommunication is an empty threat and means nothing to the majority of people. When was the last time you actually heard of someone being
excommunicated? I for one would love to have the certificate to hang on my wall.

Strangest thing is that my grandfather was black(black, Italian and German). They never knew he was black until he died. Some of them came to the
funeral and were surprised to see all the black faces there. "I didn't know he was black!" said one of the Knights there.

I guess Grandpa fooled them all.

True story.

I should learn more about them. My Grandma still gets letters from them.

You'll notice that John F. Kennedy is on there. He switched on the Jesuits when he tried to shut down the CIA, which was founded and controlled by
members of the Roman Catholic Knights of Malta. He also tried to stop the Federal Reserve. The Jesuits sunk a ship (Titanic) to protect that. He also
tried to pull out of Vietnam. That war was being controlled by Jesuit-trained Zionist Freemason Lyndon Johnson and Francis "Cardinal War" Spellman
(33rd degree Mason, Jesuit-trained, Roman Catholic Cardinal, Archbishop of New York).

Another 'big name' on that list is Samuel Alito, one of the Supreme Court justices of the United States. The Supreme Court is completely dominated
by members of this criminal network. 5/9 of the Supreme Court is Roman Catholic. Many of them have close ties to the Jesuit order (Even the ones who
aren't Catholic) and others are Red Mass attendees.

What the list doesn't mention is that Tom Ridge, the governor of Pennsylvania on 9/11 (Shanksville was in PA, so Ridge had authority), is also a
Knight of Columbus. Ridge became the first director of Homeland Security.

Also, according to some sources, Roman Catholic Joe Biden is a high-level Knight of Columbus.

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
You'll notice that John F. Kennedy is on there. He switched on the Jesuits when he tried to shut down the CIA, which was founded and controlled by
members of the Roman Catholic Knights of Malta. He also tried to stop the Federal Reserve. The Jesuits sunk a ship (Titanic) to protect
that.

Color me confused. The Jesuits sunk the Titanic 5 years before JFK was born to protect the Federal Reserve against him?

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
This oath is documented in the Congressional Record: arcticbeacon.com...

If you do your research you will see that this is a bogus oath. It is not taken by the Jesuits, or the Knights of Columbus. I am a 4th degree
Knight, and we do not take any oath vaguely even similar to this.

Anyone can place a document in the Library of Congress, all you have to do is pay the fee. That does not give credibility to this bogus oath. Ask
any of the Knights of Columbus on ATS, and all of them will tell you this oath is bogus.

Sorry...Still today one cannot be part of the masons and a KofC active member. If your Father has decided to join in a Mason event for socialization
of fund raising that may be a community minded action on his part. Under no certain terms can he become a Mason.

Though it's old I'd like to ask a question and see if I find any responses. As my signature should say I'm a 3rd Degree Knight of Columbus but
first and foremost I am a Seminarian of the Roman Catholic Church. The relationship between the church and freemasonry has always been interesting to
me (I may in fact write my Master's paper on the topic) and so I'd like to know something: with no opinion on the official declaration by the CDF
how many members here or do you personally know who are both members of the KofC and the Masons?

The Knights of Columbus want to make America a Papal State these are the words of an Ex Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest i think he's quite qualified to
say this. Why would a man of the cloth tell lies? The man could very well be a liar or of course he could be Called anti-Catholic this is a quote used
by Catholics when someone tries to say anything bad about their church or we should call him anti-ex CATHOLIC

And then I said: Okay, who are the Knights of Columbus loyal to? Where does their loyalty stand? With the United States, or with the Vatican?

Dr. Rivera said: The Knights of Columbus have to give their loyalty to the pope. They cannot base it on the constitution of the United States
because they would be destroyed by the Vatican if they did so, as others have been destroyed in the past.

Then I said: Will the Knights of Columbus play a vital part in the attack against the Christians when the U.S. falls?

Dr. Rivera said: Oh, yes. In fact, in their oath, you can see how close their alliance is to the pope. They committed themselves to be killed or
destroyed if they fail to comply with their oath. They ask the militia of the pope, the Jesuits, to put them to death. They are committed to make
America Catholic!

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