tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post382665433162836809..comments2015-02-21T13:16:26.242+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: SWS Survey Proves the Historic Failure of the LeftDeany Bocobonoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-65600166483384287112007-06-20T22:00:00.000+08:002007-06-20T22:00:00.000+08:00To DJB, I posted one reason in your next commentar...To DJB, I posted one reason in your next commentary about the same subject.Tikihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15933590834437192654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-54218169335663895322007-06-20T13:14:00.000+08:002007-06-20T13:14:00.000+08:00Two points of interest. The survey numbers and the...Two points of interest. The survey numbers and the answers show very little statistical difference between different educational groups.<BR/>Second, the results by nation have very little to do with political ideology. The differences arise primarily from differences in economic philosophy, ie. free market versus socialistjohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15602720200974869451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-68959260182232645012007-06-18T08:57:00.000+08:002007-06-18T08:57:00.000+08:00let's hear it from amartya sen in his latest book ...let's hear it from amartya sen in his latest book "Identity and violence: the illusion of destiny": "Western imperialism over the last few centuries not only subverted the political independence of the countries that were ruled or dominated by the colonial powers, it also created an attitudinal climate that is obsessed with the West [in our case the Americans], even though the form of that obsession may vary widely-- from slavish imitation, on one side, to resolute hostility on the other. The dialectics of the colonized mind includes both admiration and disaffection."<BR/><BR/>There you go! And many of us happen to be on the "admiration" side, maybe because despite George Bush and his vice named Dick, we do admire their democratic institutions, their universities (even the most leftists among us had post-grads there), and each one of us has a relative, a brother, a sister, an aunt, a grandma, whatever, who regularly send dollars on top of Doc Marten shoes that were made in China.<BR/><BR/>There must be a way of overcoming this obsession (and higher economic growth is one huge step) but while we are still in this stage, we might as well enjoy the dollars and the Doc Martens.Dave Lloritohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-8057251294970369282007-06-18T06:54:00.000+08:002007-06-18T06:54:00.000+08:00Tiki,I'm open to hearing other explanations of the...Tiki,<BR/>I'm open to hearing other explanations of the survey results. Why DO Filipinos seem to love America when others think so little of them?DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-38636420283614166562007-06-18T03:34:00.000+08:002007-06-18T03:34:00.000+08:00DJB is misreading the survey because many countrie...DJB is misreading the survey because many countries in the same survey that have lower approval ratings of the U.S. are not leftist. Also, some countries that are leftist (like China, which routinely violates democratic principles) have mixed results: for some questions they have lower ratings than RP while in others the same.Tikihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15933590834437192654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-91351773212799643522007-06-17T23:09:00.000+08:002007-06-17T23:09:00.000+08:00beatrixpg:A warm welcome to Philippine Commentary!...beatrixpg:<BR/><BR/>A warm welcome to Philippine Commentary!<BR/><BR/>We aren't done with the survey or the reactions of various people to it. I'll be publishing an audio recording of the discussion portion of the show. In case you missed it or didn't catch the reruns, you can catch it here.DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-4607443795935519462007-06-17T22:31:00.000+08:002007-06-17T22:31:00.000+08:00if you only had a better sense of self-irony, mr b...if you only had a better sense of self-irony, mr bocobo, maybe you'd be less intellectually suicidal. i noticed that you have quite a penchant for diatribes against the philippine left, whose most outspoken members you so rashly and ever so dimly call "ideologues." you never bothered to scrutinize your own ideology. criticize somebody for her ideology if you must, but do it with the aid of structured reasoning and some measure of philosophical rigor (political philosophy and critical theory are evidently not your areas of interest, let alone fields of expertise, which happen to be mine, pardon my interjection). you come across as anti-left/anti-leftist by default, being no less the knee-jerk "ideologue" yourself that you so easily disdain, only of another make. and you read leftism into carlos's standoffish reception of mangahas's method? what fallacious conclusion! why not criticize ideas or implied ideas on the basis of their argumentative validity and basis premises (or lack thereof), instead of spewing out label-ridden tirades against your bete noire? carlos never said she was leftist to begin with, not that it ever mattered to the discussion; but so what if she were? your dismissiveness verging on propagandic subterfuge is empty casuistry at best and plain canard at worst. hate the left if you will; but always argue on sound basis and check for syllogistic validity. and by golly, "ideology" and "ideologue" are bigger concepts than you might think; if only you boned up on philosophical writings, you'd be astounded by your headlong presumptions about those concepts. what do we mean by "ideology"? what makes an "ideologue"? where does ideology come from? how does it come about? what do the inner-workings of "ideology" mean for (1) our daily practice, (2) our everyday life and our multifarious relationships as members of any social group, (3) our attitudes toward life itself and the people with whom we interact? all of which lend themselves to some degree of historical investigation and theoretical and philosophical analysis. at your favorite bookstores or any of our reputable college libraries (namely, the UP library and the ADMU library) you will come upon a welter of treatises that engage these questions ingenuously. it is best to limit our pretensions where pretensions may only lead to blind prejudice and haphazard aspersions on other people's character, competence or affiliation; never mind if they ever lead to absurdity and absurdity's selfexposure -- which is usually the case whenever ignorance carries itself through to its logical conclusion.beatrixpghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07070130266160614633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-28729118321900719552007-06-17T19:23:00.000+08:002007-06-17T19:23:00.000+08:00Re: "What do you mean? I thought we were INDEPENDE...Re: "What do you mean? I thought we were INDEPENDENT?"<BR/><BR/>Dean, I really thought so too but frankly not quite sure anymore. <BR/><BR/>You tell left-wing Tony Blair that Pinas is independent and see what his reaction is! Hahahah!HILLBLOGGERhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-52497291180706532722007-06-17T18:46:00.000+08:002007-06-17T18:46:00.000+08:00we would have ran it inside pages. its definitely ...we would have ran it inside pages. its definitely not a banner material. haha!Dave Lloritohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-41709778238454682202007-06-17T15:00:00.000+08:002007-06-17T15:00:00.000+08:00Not news? I bet if the results had shown strong a...Not news? I bet if the results had shown strong anti-American feeling your newspaper would've headlined it.DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-58437924947677878442007-06-17T13:33:00.000+08:002007-06-17T13:33:00.000+08:00im not surprized at all by the results. why cant j...im not surprized at all by the results. why cant just we accept that fact? in fact, we didnt bother to run it in our newspaper. it wasnt news.Dave Lloritohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-3293261112192880952007-06-17T01:52:00.000+08:002007-06-17T01:52:00.000+08:00Unrequited?It is we who wanted Independence! Willi...Unrequited?<BR/><BR/>It is we who wanted Independence! William Howard Taft and Dean Conant Worcester would've gladly turned this into the biggest State of the Union.<BR/><BR/>Besides just because we love America, you expect America to do what for us?<BR/><BR/>As for ideals, when did America fall short of its ideals? When she abolished slavery? Gave suffrage to women?<BR/><BR/>When does her evolution stop do you think?DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-68140375541649172892007-06-16T22:18:00.000+08:002007-06-16T22:18:00.000+08:00Dean,My takeaway from the surey is this: Filipinos...Dean,<BR/>My takeaway from the surey is this: Filipinos' faith in America is like their faith in the Catholic Church. Unreasoning, uncritical, and unrequited.<BR/>I have no quarrel with American ideals and its aspirations. But lets face it....for most of the world, its fallen far short of that ideal.Rickyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13367783635709809685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-80066768073109419852007-06-16T13:55:00.000+08:002007-06-16T13:55:00.000+08:00The episode is in rerun for the next few days on A...The episode is in rerun for the next few days on ANC. Makes for good review. I may post some more on Clarita Carlos and Mahar Mangahas...DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-59996612249490643942007-06-15T17:58:00.000+08:002007-06-15T17:58:00.000+08:00John, yeah, I saw that too.. Hahah..It was in the ...John, yeah, I saw that too.. Hahah..<BR/><BR/>It was in the news that Bush may have also been snatched of his watch.. When one camera, before he shook hands with the crowds, saw him with a watch... then after the shaking hands of crowds, the watch was nowhere to be seen..<BR/><BR/>White House Press Secretary said that Bush put the watch in his pocket...Nicholas Kisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16841848924045666372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-18462624066870346352007-06-15T16:03:00.000+08:002007-06-15T16:03:00.000+08:00haha! oh well. it must've really been bad under th...haha! oh well. it must've really been bad under the old regime of... wasn't it a guy named ENVER HOXHA or something the great People's Republic of Albania?DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-6662888658224461422007-06-15T15:04:00.000+08:002007-06-15T15:04:00.000+08:00...pero talo pa rin tayo ng bansang Albania (a Mus......pero talo pa rin tayo ng bansang Albania (a Muslim country) pagdating sa pagiging pro-US, dean.<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo<BR/><BR/>he was treated like a rock star over there. security is so lax even albanians in the line were able to touch and embrace bush. and tussle his hair.john marzanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-26062747392513464952007-06-15T08:19:00.000+08:002007-06-15T08:19:00.000+08:00HB?What do you mean? I thought we were INDEPENDENT...HB?<BR/>What do you mean? I thought we were INDEPENDENT?<BR/><BR/>Independence means having no one left to blame!<BR/><BR/>What was meant here was that Filipinos believe America will javascript:void(0)<BR/>Publish Your Commentdo the right thing for America's sake and that is good enough for them. <BR/><BR/>There are no illusions as some would insist.<BR/><BR/>No one is more skeptical of America than Americans. And that is good.DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-88272702611312253302007-06-15T08:04:00.000+08:002007-06-15T08:04:00.000+08:00America will "do the right thing".For Pinas? When?...America will "do the right thing".<BR/><BR/>For Pinas? When?HILLBLOGGERhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-40978667760620854582007-06-15T07:25:00.000+08:002007-06-15T07:25:00.000+08:00I see this too. The need for us to hope and belie...I see this too. The need for us to hope and believe, that America, even through its depressed days, always ends up doing the right thing..<BR/><BR/>I mean, we have to believe this, how can we not? Our whole system is based upon America's system. Legal, constitution, and even government...<BR/><BR/>If we can't believe in them, how can we believe in our own system...<BR/><BR/>You're definitely correct.. let's hope indeed..Nicholas Kisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16841848924045666372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-8413933733166405932007-06-15T05:10:00.000+08:002007-06-15T05:10:00.000+08:00Nick,Then, there is CORRIGIBILITY, America's great...Nick,<BR/>Then, there is CORRIGIBILITY, America's greatest virtue as she has demonstrated in history. This is the ability to change, to correct even the most grievous flaws in a society, like slavery, and discrimination against women. <BR/><BR/>We must not forget that the America apprehended by the Filipinos is far more than what in this day and age manifests itself as the availability of an alternative to the archipelago. For we are aware of the evils in the past of this America. We are also aware of the evolutionary capability of that enterprise, to move from one kind of country and people, towards what seems to be the kind of society all the world will want to have. <BR/><BR/>Filipinos in other words, think and believe that in the end America will "do the right thing".<BR/><BR/>Let's hope they are right, for all of our sakes!DJB Rizalisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-41472943516032925192007-06-15T02:11:00.000+08:002007-06-15T02:11:00.000+08:00I think the views of the Filipinos toward America ...I think the views of the Filipinos toward America is focused on what they can do for us... It may sound selfish, but it's the sentiment.<BR/><BR/>Filipino-Americans are viewed as a higher social class, and the picture of America's "goodness" increases with every check coming from our good FilAm OFWs.<BR/><BR/>Is this wrong, it doesn't matter, because it's the sentiment.<BR/><BR/>If everyone wants to migrate to the U.S for a better job, then America must be doing good for the rest of the world as well..<BR/><BR/>U.S as world policeman: in terms of this view, Filipinos aren't really exposed to the policies of the U.S, in our media, local issues and news dominate. I'm not surprised at all...<BR/><BR/>I don't agree that media is dominated with progressive views. While local radio in other countries will cover international policies, our local radio stations will cover very specific incidents of murder, corruption, etc.<BR/><BR/>I was listening to a local radio station, for the week of the G8, there was no mention of it anywhere..<BR/><BR/>It's not surprising though, and Manuel was right, there is a gulf between the classes in terms of perception..<BR/><BR/>The survey is definitely acceptable in terms of its results...<BR/><BR/>You're right about our connection to America, and our shared historical bond... With many Filipino Americans, similar Faiths, similar historical heroes and enemies, etc... it seems only logical..Nicholas Kisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16841848924045666372noreply@blogger.com