What haven’t HRC or any other supportive group NOT put out in the open for all to know?

What exactly can LaB point to that’s SO RADICAL?

Saying that something is hidden, denotes conspiratorial and sinister.

I’d like to know also, what EXACTLY have the results been of marriage equality in say, Massachusetts, where Camenker is from, that directly involves a trend in destroying marriage or families?

And I DO mean DIRECTLY.
I don’t want to hear about what happened in the Netherlands or Sweden, but what’s happened in MA.
Or even Canada, a country that shares a border and similar culture and language to our own.

Claims are not evidence. How has the scary agenda of the gay people become manifest beyond anecdotes and how married gay couples are actually causing what you claim.

I wonder how many people who have donated to his cause have gone through a divorce, custody problems or been denied adopting a child out of foster care because of the radical gay agenda?

LaB and Camenker don’t ask gay people anything, nor are in direct talks with anyone gay. Nor expect to be questioned by those they say they are defending.

I know what questions I’d be asking: hey Brian and Pete, now that you have our attention, how does saying all this against gay people save anything?
From where I’m sitting, divorce, child abandonment and domestic violence are very tangible and destructive to whole families.

So…how can gay people getting married or NOT, serve the purpose of defending people in that situation?
And why should YOU be getting paid if there is no difference in that outcome?
If NOM paid over a million dollars to KEEP gay people from getting married, shouldn’t the Catholics and Mormons put that money towards families and children in crisis, rather than against gay headed families that ARE NOT?

I did try to ask Brian Brown AND Pete that question.
They pretty much pretended like I didn’t ask it. Or insulted them if I did.

Nothing that answers that more than a non answer!

]]>By: Regan DuCassehttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/28/16096/comment-page-1#comment-52836
Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:46:13 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=16096#comment-52836La Barbera complains that their activity and organizations are compared to the most historically anti civil/human rights campaigns in the past. He cites Joe Solomese and essentially tries to paint HRC and NGLTF as anti Christian.

The hypocrisy seems to know no limits with massresistance or AFTAH.

Their complaint about how much and where any equality groups get their money is laughable.
As is their persecution complex and constant and consistency in words like ‘homosexual activists’ and ‘radical/militant homosexuals’.

I have asked members of the opposition, over and over again: how can things that heterosexuals are applauded and considered heroic for doing, are suddenly threatening and inconsistent with moral values and standards when gay people do it?

Because gay people don’t ask permission? Because gay people outclass straight people for doing it because there are no legal tethers? Because gay people, in being open, give moral heft to honesty and truth that people like Barbera would rather hide?

What is so f*cking radical about the selflessness and courage required to commit to parenting, a significant other and risking life and limb voluntarily in service of one’s country in uniform?
It’s radical to the likes of Brian Camenker because they have a firm belief in supremacist values. Which WOULD put them in the realm of Nazis and the Klan and therefore on the wrong side of history.

If one does look at any groups formed specifically to eliminate the human and civil rights of another, particularly a minority, this is precisely what hate enabled groups do.

LaB and Camenker cannot point AT ALL to any of THEIR rights OR compromise to ANYTHING they are doing that gay people would have the power to destroy or even render unstable.
Except their ability to maintain systemic discrimination.

Here they are, in public as always, consistently complaining and denegrating gay people by calling them perverts, supporters of pedophilia and whose agenda is destructive.
Yet, none of the security officers or any other law enforcer has showed these men they face even so much as censorship for what they say and do.

Even the PHELPS’s haven’t been arrested for what they SAY, but trespassing, which has nothing to do with gay people, but local civic laws.

I suppose the less support LaB gets for HIS agenda, the more he’ll complain the reason why is gay people gaining on him, and not the fact that HIS agenda is nastier, stupid and has no profit in it for anyone but himself.

What’s even funnier is that a person with a brain should wonder why even with all their hard earned dollars being donated to LaB and Camenker: they keep saying the opposition has more and more power and a stronger and stronger agenda?

It’s like they are asking for more money to fight a cause that’s consistently AMORPHOUS and with little real substance to back up their complaints.
So what if Joe Solomese compared them to Nazis?
Guess they can’t let THAT roll off their backs without money, right?

When the whole of gay people are compared to murderers, pedophiles, thieves and the mentally ill, we can say that Lt. Dan Choi and many other competent gay soldiers lost their careers, young boys like Jaheem Herrera, Carl Walker Hoover or Lawrence King lost their lives.

What has LaB lost, street cred and monetary support?

He and Camenker are SUCH candy a**es, all of those courageous people of faith who know and embrace the human progress that being gay and hetero allied together represents, leave these two cowards (and anyone who counts on their rhetoric) in the dust.

]]>By: SharonBhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/28/16096/comment-page-1#comment-52834
Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:26:40 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=16096#comment-52834Petey and the Pervs had about 9 supporters at their rally, according to PHB. There were more reporters. And more who opposed them!