Greetings. This is Keith. Im sorry that it took so long for me to respond. So you accept my challenge? Well, i accept your acceptance lol. My only problem is, the format. I propose that we have a debate/discussion, in a yahoo chat conference, with me, you, and no more than 5 other people. First, lets come together and agree to the rules and regulations. Hopefully, you will respond to this ASAP, and we can get the debate going soon. Thanks alot, once again, i apologize for the delay.

Majesty, I think a forum debate is more flexible. If either one of you close out of a yahoo chat session the conversation is lost to you, unless you are constantly keeping logs. On a forum it's more convenient because the discussion can go for days and weeks at a time without losing any content. It would also be easier to go over previously brought up points in a forum discussion than it would be in a chat discussion.

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Greetings. This is Keith. Im sorry that it took so long for me to respond. So you accept my challenge? Well, i accept your acceptance lol. My only problem is, the format. I propose that we have a debate/discussion, in a yahoo chat conference, with me, you, and no more than 5 other people. First, lets come together and agree to the rules and regulations. Hopefully, you will respond to this ASAP, and we can get the debate going soon. Thanks alot, once again, i apologize for the delay.

Thanks for dropping by the forums.

If you can carefully consider your words, and retract them in a measured way when it's appropriate to change your mind, then I'd like to listen to those words. I see no need to have a live chat, unless you think that the issue is that trivial?

Do you have any other offer?

Important:

I'm currently suffering from a cold and am not too sharp. My one short term goal is to heal up well enough to be able to go on a family vacation that is due to start in a few days.

I recommend that if you want some quick action that you pick someone else. I can recommend a few people if you are interested that will be amply challenging. If you have patience and can wait, maybe we can have a top notch discussion at the beginning of the year? I'd hate to disappoint, but the delay from when I posted my offer till now has changed the situation a bit.

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Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice. --Sir James George Frazer

Keith: Cmon now people, focus on the issues. If anyone think that they can take me on in a debate on the existance of God, let me know. I will be more than happy. If you cant beat me, then you cant beat [William Lane] Craig.

Hermes: I accept.

To start, I’ll state my position that the Christian deity Yahweh as described in the Christian Bible does not exist but that some other deities may exist and that I can be convinced of them given proper support for them.

Look me up on the WWGHA forums, and mention your message here, if this interests you.

We can go over the ground rules first, set the question(s) we will discuss, then discuss them in as much detail as you wish.

If you determine that I am not a worthy person to discuss these issues with, then I have a short list of people who are more than qualified to do so and should give you quite an intellectual workout.

The next step is yours, but note that while I monitor this blog, I don’t monitor this specific thread. As such, please go to WWGHA and start the discussion there if you want to be assured of a response.

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Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice. --Sir James George Frazer

Organized religion is simply tribalism with a side order of philosophical wankery, and occasionally a baseball bat to smash the kneecaps of anyone who doesn't show proper deference to the tribe's chosen totem.

rhocam ~ I guess there are several trillion cells in a man, and one in an amoeba, so to be generous, lets say that there were a billion. That is one every fifteen years. So in my lifetime I should have seen two evolutionary changes.

Debating on Yahoo chat is for me - unacceptable. We need a permanent record of the logical fallacies that will be exposed on the theist side in such a debate. If Mr. Majesty is so confident of his points he should want it all stored in a permanent record. We also need to take our time and be able to research what is said, all of which lends itself to the format of a forum, just as we have here. This type of debate is not something to be rushed through in a chat format. If it's held in a Yahoo or other chat format you can count me out.

I'm willing to play, though I would much prefer a Forum-based debate, since it wouldn't be necessary to juggle everyone's schedules to be online at the same time.

Thank you.

Keith, would you care to debate Kcrady on the forum here? I can assure you that he is well informed and competent. Additionally, the moderators can assure that the thread you discuss in will be managed in an even handed way and any interference will be kept to a minimum.

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Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice. --Sir James George Frazer

Hermes, thanks for accepting the challenge. If you have another "pawn" that you want to throw at me who would like to debate in your place, that we be fine also. I am accepting ANYONE. Just want to dress a few things..

1. The double spacing: It started when i was young and learning to type, single spacing at that time seemed to make my words look all bunched up, so i started double spacing. Now it is just a habit that i cant seem to break, nor do i want to break. Its what makes me unique IMO. I enjoyed some of you peoples jokes and remarks about it. Its all good.

2. Why i chose yahoo: First off, im a frequent vistor to the yahoo rooms "detroit". There are alot intelligent people in there as i am sure there are in here. I have been going there for a few years now, and took part in many debate/discussions in there. Some in the people can be quite rude and disrespectful. Some are open minded, honest, and intelligent. But one of the problems i have is, when to many people want to talk about something at one time. The majority of the time i am the only theist that is in there, and i have like 5-6 different people throwing things at me, and my fingers are working extra hard to address questions, claims, comments, etc. I choose the conference room because you get to control how many people can sit in there and chat. That was the whole purpose. But since you people are CRYING about doing this on a forum, fine, lets do it.

3. About myself: I am a 24 yr old African American male from Detroit, Michigan. I am in the army, currently stationed in AZ, and i proudly served my country in Iraq. I have been a christian all my life. I first started my "apologetic" journey by discussing some doctrine issues with Jehovah Witnesses. Then i started getting heavy into the internet, and chat rooms. I was blown away at how many nonbelieving, bible attackerss that were out there. I became upset when my faith was being attacked, sometimes in the most vicious way imaginable. People would say many disrespectful things, and i felt like i needed to counter-attack. It started off with me defending Noahs flood, and so called bible contradictions. Then things progressed to me having to dig deep into science and philosophy, after debating some certain individuals who seemed to be coming at me heavy from that regards.

4. William Lane Craig: has inspired me to really get heavy into apologetics. About two years ago, i was on youtube, and i just typed in Christianity vs Atheism. And what popped up was the Craig vs Zindler debate. I sat there for over an hour and watch Craig completely demolish Zindler. And i was hooked. I watched Craig soundly defeat many of his opponents, and i was hooked. He has put out enough work over 30 years to inspire any christian and nonchristian alike, and i am honored to have him as my study guide.

5. The debate: I am really looking forward to performing well in this debate. I must say, i will be using alot of WLCs arguments, with my own little twist added to the mix. If i dont perform as well as i hope to and "lose" (deep down inside i know when my opponent has gotten the best of me), its ok, all it will do is expose my weaknesses, and i will just have to work harder on my weaknesses and get better.

I am really grateful to have found this forum (thanks Hermes), partly because i can really get down to business in here, because it is a lively forum. I didnt expect this many responses to my post.

On another note, i am a very competitive person, and sometimes i may use langauge that will let you know that im coming for your head. So dont take offense. My aim is not to disrespect anyone, and i hope that you people are the same way. I seek to bring people to Christ. He is what this is all about in my eyes. If there were no Christ, i wouldnt be on here.

But what i have noticed is that some of you people are very sarcastic, which is fine, but i can dish out some things to, and please believe i will keep it respectful, but i am no slouch either.

I dont know what would be easier, to keep checking back on here periodically so we can discuss the debate format, or, to give you guys my email, which is pharaoh828@yahoo.com, and to have someone email me when we are ready to discuss it. I guess either or will be find, i will start checking periodially.

So once again, i want to thank you people for your time. It is ON. My goal is to take each nonbeliever on here OUT, one by one. Be ready.

You can get tickets by checking your local ticketmaster for details. Have your credit card ready, and wire the money directly to my account, and you will have your ticket. For more details, provide me your email addy. Your money will be used for a good cause, the "Get Keith a new ipod, cuz someone stole his" cause.