The Cubans of Miami

Posted by Matra on Thursday, August 2, 2007 at 09:22 PM

Since the Cubans in the US are often sited as an American immigration/migration success story I thought I would review a book I’ve read called City On The Edge: The Transformation of Miami by Alejandro Portes and Alex Stepick (published in 1993). The book is about all of the ethnic changes in Miami but I’ll concentrate on the Cubans – a majority of whom are considered ethnically European.

In this book the authors look at previous models used to examine migration to urban areas of the US such as those that conclude that new ethnic groups join the cultural mainstream – defined as white Anglo-Protestant – as they become more successful, and those that say ethnic groups do not acculturate and instead form a social mosaic under the hegemony a white Anglo-Protestant elite. Portes & Stepick argue that neither of these models is appropriate for Miami – at least not in 1993 – and that the social structure of the city does not fit into any familiar theoretical pattern.

Although people from various parts of Latin America and the Caribbean have gone to Miami in recent decades, the Cubans have had, by far, the greatest impact, radically transforming the city politically, culturally, and economically.

The radicalization of the Cuban Revolution was the key event which led to the mass exodus from the island. During the first wave of mass migration , January 1959 to April 1961, some 135,000 Cubans arrived in the US. Even after it became almost impossible to get visas, a steady stream continued to escape from Cuba until December 1965 when 5000 flooded into Miami following Castro’s decision to allow relatives of exiles to leave. This led to an understanding between the US and Cuban governments to allow two daily flights of refugees to Miami resulting in 340,000 by April 1973, when Castro stopped the flights.

Portes & Stepick believe the US government agreed to this not only to prevent the problems that a sudden and massive flood of refugees would cause, but also for political reasons: the daily flights of people wanting out of Cuba were a public indictment of Caribbean communism. It is unlikely that economics figured greatly in the decision to allow in so many Cubans as thos arriving in the daily flights were not as well educated as previous refugees from the island. Before 1970 about 15% of the exiles in the US were professionals whearea a representative sample of those arriving in 1973 showed that only 4.8% were professionals.

The third wave of Cuban refugees arrived during the Mariel boatlift, and these were even less educated. Not only that but many were criminals and a much greater proportion were non-white. The authors argue that the US government reacted to Mariel out of fear of alienating Cuban voters rather than for economic reasons.

Of all the Cubans who have gone to the US about 80% live in Miami, making it the most concentrated foreign-born minority in the country (as of 1993). Geography and historical ties between the Cuban middle class and Miami had made the city the quite familiar to Cubans and once an enclave had been created those who came in later waves naturally gravitated towards it.

But Cubans were not the only refugees fleeing political repression and poverty in latin America. In the 1980s many Nicaraguans and Haitians also arrived in Miami with the former providing evidence of Miami’s transformation due to the Cuban presence. The majority European Cuban community welcomed and embraced the non-white Nicaraguans as fellow victims of communism and used their political clout to get all kinds of privileges for the newcomers – lower tuition fees at state universities for one – and to neutralize the effects of the hostile American response to the refugees:

They extended to the new arrivals what is probably the most unigue reception for any immigrant group in history: not welcomed by the government and the society at large, the new entrants were still granted access to local resources by dint of political kinship with an established refugee community.

The refugees also had a major impact on the rise of the Cuban business enclave. In that enclave owners had always been expected to hire their own and in return new Cuban refugees were expected to work hard without making too many demands: “Low wages were accepted in exchange for preferential access to employment even in the absence of English or formal certification”. (The ethnic Cuban enclave was also helped by US government funds, particularly from the CIA, which was very active in Cuban Miami along with various minority handouts which in other cities and states would have gone to blacks). The arrival of Nicaraguans contributed greatly to the expansion of the Cuban business enclave beyond the Cuban parts of Miami into the entire metropolitan area by providing cheap labour. Miami being transformed from a small unimportant resort town (according to the authors) into the so-called ‘Capital of the Caribbean”. This would not have happened without these political refugees or for that matter the US domination of its periphery which helped socialize these refugees towards the US in the first place.

The increased political and economic strength of the Cubans may have made Miami more important but it has resulted in the decline of the city’s old elite known as the “Anglos” – ethnically European and Jewish English-speakers. Portes & Stepick analyse this decline and argue that 1980 was the turning point.

Prior to 1980 the exile community was politically focused on Cuba, caring little about local politics. However in 1980 that all changed following the anglo campaigns, led by the Miami herald, against the Mariel boatlift and bilingualism. These were seen by the Cubans as an attempt by anglos to assert their dominance of the city. However ...

instead of subduing the Cubans, the hegemonic discourse of the Herald and its allies transformed the exile community into a self-conscious ethnic group that organized effectively for local political competition.

The authors analyse the decline of “Anglo hegemony” by using the Miami Herald as a barometer of change. The newspaper that had provided the Anglo “hegemonic discourse” throughout Mariel and 1980 anti-bilingual campaigns was targeted by the Cuban American National Foundation for its advocacy of immigration control. With Cubans not buying it and Anglos leaving the city, the Miami Herald decided to change its editorial stance and subsequently reversed its view on immigration, encouraged Anglos to learn Spanish, and it even started up a Spanish-language newspaper which, like the exiles, is more conservative than the mostly liberal English edition. Miami had been transformed.

The triumph of bilingualism and biculturalism show that the Cubans have not accepted integration into the Anglo-American cultural mainstream nor are they part of a social mosaic under white Anglo hegemony. Yet the authors believe that when Castro is no longer in power that it is possible, even likely, that the Miami Cuban enclave will fade during a process of cultural convergence. This view seems to be based on the Robert Dahl theory that even though ethnic groups may initially organize politically around their own particular interests, by becoming involved in the political institutions a process of convergence into the mainstream culture begins. This is supposedly what happened to the Poles of Chicago, Irish of Boston, and the Italians of New York. I doubt that will be the case for Miami. As David Reiff (Susan Sontag’s son) has pointed out in one of his books the Cubans are the only ones who feel at home in Miami. That sounds like they have achieved dominance to me. Add to that the fact that hundreds of thousands of white Anglo-Americans have left Dade County (down from a majority to only 10% of the population) there’s no reason why the Cubans can’t strengthen their hold on the city. Besides, with media improvements and their close geographic proximity to Cuba there’s no reason why Cubans in Miami can’t continue to remain a part of Cuban culture after communism.

The majority of Cubans may be ethnically European something which some posters at MR have pointed out. They have certainly been successful unlike most Latin Americans . However, it is clear that they have had a negative impact on the native whites who have lived in Miami over the last few decades - why else would so many leave? It’s bad enough that they made Miami bilingual but they also used their influence to bring non-white Nicaraguans to the city. There’s little to indicate that having a shared European background with white Americans means anything to Cubans in Miami: The tribe comes first as is the norm everywhere. Perhaps those who argue that Cuban immigrants are fine because they are white will reconsider their views.

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A success for who? How was the cuban colonization/conquest in any a way a benefit for the majority Native Born White American population? Miami is spanish speaking and foreign. Nothing more needs to be said.

Vdare.com remains silent about the fact that Miami is no longer part of America. Spic Geraldo Rivera did a two hour documentary on NBC about the hispanic conquest of America several years back. Geraldo Rivera interviewed Julio Iglesias’s spic/philipino son who said that it is impossible to work in miami unless one peaks spanish.

No one should send a penny into vdare.com until vdare.com starts going after the cuban spics in miami-even if it upsets spic cuban econimist Geaorge Borjas.

This is war. Always refer to the cubans in miami as spics. You got that Peter Brimelow and quasi-hispnic Joe Guzzardi.

I know I fought about it in previous posts, White or not, Cubans are our enemies and have interests that are opposed to ours, in their current Floridian incarnation, and the concomitant harnessing of the legislature.

The parallel seems to be the eastern European countries - although white, they have an interesting subset of battles and problems with which to grapple and have their own movement and solutions to those very problems.

Also, another interesting line of argument against the legitimacy of anti-Castro Cubans and Cuban refugees in general, could be that many of them might be being herded/manipulated by the many Jews that lost property during the revolution.

I know whoever inherited Meyer Lansky’s empire has probably has as a primary interest and occupation the reacquiring of Lansky’s Cuban stronghold high upon his list of goals.

From When Victims Rule:

In Cuba, before Castro, says Robert Levine, that Cuban Jews experienced significant post-war prosperity was demonstrated by the luxurious community center, the Patronato de la Casa de la Commidas Hebrea de Cuba, built in 1953. Several members of [dictator Fulgencio] Batista’s government from 1952 to 1958 were close to local Jews. [Levine p.211] Among those was Jewish mobster Meyer Lansky, who built his own resort hotel, the Rivera, in Cuba, the largest casino hotel in the world outside Las Vegas. [Levine p.203]

Among American Jewish industrialists, developers, financiers, and department store owners in the area, Jacob Branden was knighted by Batista, the Habif family owned the largest perfume factory, and Philip Rosenberg was head of one of the largest Cuban sugar plantations, the General Sugar Corporation. Hardy Spatz owned the Avis Rental car franchise; Albert Hartman was president of Chrysler of Cuba. [Levine p.229] Several Jewish businessmen, especially the Americans, ran finance companies investing in commercial and residential real estate. [Levine p.197] Adolph Kates was founder of the Miramar Yacht Club and was a member of the American Chamber of Commerce, Cuban Chamber of Commerce, and the honorary president of the Pro-Israel Committee in Cuba. [Levine p.225] Between 1930-45, 344 Jewish-owned companies made half of all shoes in Cuba. Twenty-four Jewish-owned diamond companies employed 1,200 people. [Elkin 1998 p.145-146]

With Castro’s communist revolution in 1959, about 70% of the Jewish residents of Cuba fled the country, part of the general exodus of the middle and upper classes to the United States mainland. [Levine p.243]

How was the cuban colonization/conquest in any a way a benefit for the majority Native Born White American population?

That was the point of the post.

Vdare.com remains silent about the fact that Miami is no longer part of America.

They don’t write about it as much as Mexican immigration - rightly given the numbers - or even Muslim but they occasionally discuss it. For instance

here.

No one should send a penny into vdare.com until vdare.com starts going after the cuban spics in miami-even if it upsets spic cuban econimist Geaorge Borjas.

Unfortunately a lot of whites, particularly in North America, are more interested in economics than race or nationhood. For that reason economic arguments against immigration are needed. Since Borjas is one of the only economists arguing that more immigration is not good for the economy it makes sense to publish him. (Of course, privately he may only oppose immigration because few Cubans will be going to America in future). Obviously economic concerns should never be the main focus of restrictionists.

White or not, Cubans are our enemies and have interests that are opposed to ours, in their current Floridian incarnation, and the concomitant harnessing of the legislature.

Any time another ethnic group - even if they are white - arrive in large enough numbers to form their own communities it is not good for native whites. In Canada we don’t have a Cuban problem but Italians, Portuguese and Ukrainians behave similarly, advocating policies detrimental to the interests of native Canadian whites. Occasionally I read WNists saying we should bring in millions of white Russians, etc. They are wrong.

Love them or hate them; but at least the Miami spics (White Cubans) are maintaining their White-gene pool. Isn’t that more important than cultural differences between White Anglos and White spics?

I think there’s probably more race mixing in the Cuban community than we are led to believe. There’s no doubt the Cubans look out for themselves, often at the expense of the native whites.

Conflict between blacks and Cubans is discussed in the book I reviewed as well. Blacks rioted on three occasions in the early 1980s - a time when the Cubans were gaining dominance in the city. Cubans have no racial guilt and are not pushovers like white Americans.

I think - don’t know - that Wikipedia is wrong on this. I believe spic and span are medieval English derivations from Old English or even High German, and refer to the spiked and bolted timbers of wooden sailing ships. The phrase initially meant highly seaworthy. In any case, it passed into general usage and, probably by the Elizabethan period, the “spic” part was picked up in typical Cockney style to mean the hated Spaniard. It seems to have been downhill from there. Not entirely a name that suits our, of course, super-refined sensibilities. Bo and Stanley would have kittens.

Even though most Cubans in Miami were white and middle class, they qualified as a minority group due to their language. They managed to secure the bulk of private and public money made available in Miami for minority development. For instance they received more than half of the business set aside for minority contractors for the building the Miami rapid transit system while blacks only received 12%. I don’t know if the Cuban arrival resulted in a worsening of the economic situation in black Miami but it certainly didn’t help.

There have also been tensions in relations between Cubans and blacks over non-economic matters. The most famous dispute was in 1990 when Miami’s Cuban mayor and other politicians refused to honour Nelson Mandela when he visited, as he’s previously proclaimed his support for Fidel Castro. So powerful are the Cubans in Miami that even as black activists protested black members of the city and county commissions refused to stand up for Mandela. I can’t imagine that happening in any other American city.

Portes & Stepick write about native blacks and the role they played in helping get Haitian refugees into Miami. They saw a double standard between the treatment of white Cuban and black Haitian refugees. They probably regretted it as the Haitians didn’t see common race as a good enough reason to become allied with native blacks, in fact they ended up competing against them for jobs accepting almost any wages and working conditions. Now that was written in the early 90s so the situation may have changed as Haitians become more African-Americanised.

Sorry to nit-pick Daniel, but not all Jews are white. For example, there are Black Jews from Ethiopia. Also, are sephardic Jews genetically White?

Right right!

I apologize for being unclear.

I meant that I believed the Ashkenazi Jews that rule Yankee-Judea are “white” and was simply pointing out the fallacy of using skin color as the sole determinate of what a white person is, since the typically agreed upon definition is “A descendant of Western European Christendom.” (Those of the British colonies as opposed to the Spanish since they tended to interbreed thereby creating the “Latinos” - However, let it be noted there is plenty of white Argentinians) This definition should also exclude the Russians and slavs since they have their own forms of racial solidarity and own unique set of circumstances and history independent of Europa proper.

Not to mention the jungle fever in Cuba that has already been mentioned.

American Whites have have right to resent White Cubans. There´s a lesson to be learned here for Americans who want to leave America´s sinking ship and settle in Europe. They won´t be welcome in Europe for similar reasons.

Perhaps those who argue that Cuban immigrants are fine because they are white will reconsider their views.

Cubans arrived in large numbers and, for the most part, settled in a single place, inevitably forming a Cuban enclave. They initially had a strong sense of themselves as a transient immigrant population: They intended to return. Many still do. They therefore explicitly resisted acculturation, for reasons that are perfectly justifiable. They were refugees from Marxism, and they never expected that Castro would still be in power more than forty years later. Cubans also arrived in an era when the old assimilationist ethic was breaking down. The pressure to Americanize oneself was much weaker than it had been even twenty years earlier. None of this suggests the likelihood of successful acculturation. It suggests the opposite.

Americanization was once a tough and uncompromising enterprise. The institutional pressure to Americanize has now largely vanished, and in its place are the formal and informal incentives to join what Brimelow calls the alien nation. 85 percent of Cuban Americans nevertheless consider themselves White. That’s strikingly high, given the incentives multiracialism offers any Spanish-speaking group to declare themselves non-White. Today the attractions of whiteness are weak, despite all the nonsense we hear about white privilege, and in the absence of a strong and culturally confident Euro-American mainstream there is significant pressure for Cubans to identify with other Hispanics. We shouldn’t be surprised that many have succumbed to the pressure, though it’s obviously disappointing that they have.

Under different circumstances White Cubans could have been Americanized successfully, and even under the present bad circumstances they have behaved reasonably well.

The author is not, incidentally, an Hispanic, White or otherwise. He is apparently a mainstream Euro-American. But for a White American to find employment in the anti-racism industry, he must subscribe to a series of ridiculous propositions, among them the belief that restrictions of any sort on immigration are morally illegitimate, a violation of the “civil rights” of all non-Whites with an inclination to move to the United States. Kevin Johnson is not behaving as a member of a rival tribe; he is presumably just as Anglo as Matra. He is only responding to incentives. Change the incentives, and weak-minded characters like Johnson would behave and think differently.

I can vouch for the fact that Miami and NJ white cubans qualify for affrimative action and take advantage of it.

Matra

The loss of miami and eventially of all Southern Florida to the arrogant spanish speaking foreigners from cuba is not a minor matter-even compared to to the mexico invasion.

The Whiter English speaking American population down in South Florida have been complaining bitterly about the arroganmt cubans for years. No one, including Peter Brimelow and the vdare.com collective has paid much attetnion to them.

Vdare shouold have gone after the cubans in miami early on. The fucking cuban spics, if you have had any contact with them in either miami or NJ, will let you know that 1) you are not part of their tribe and 2) that they are running the show whether it be in mimai or parts of NJ for the complete benefit of their cuban spic gene-line.

During the Elian Gonzalez episode, things almost came to head between the real WHITE AMERICANS and the cuban spics down in miami. It was no uncommon for WHITE ENGLISH SPEAKING AMERICANS to give the middel finger to their cuban spic neughbors and to cuban spics who would cut them off in traffic during this time period.

Legal English immigrant Peter Brimelow ought to come clean on the cuban spics down in south florida. How does the spic legal immigrant economist George Borjas feel about the fact that miami is spanish speaking and foreign? Ho w asking him Peter Brimelow

Miami and large parts of Southern Florida and the resoureces of the area-economic and ecological-no longer belongs to OUR PEOPLES gene-line.

The take over of South Florida by the spic cubans should be seen in the larger ongoing process of the racial and economic dispossession of majority English spekaing Native Born White population of America. What the spic cubans have done in South Florida is not a trivial matter.

Vdare.com should be unrelenting in expressing outrage over what has happened in South Florida.

Borjas is an intellectuall lightweight. English speaking Native Born White Americans-especially the ones in South Florida-knew the real facts about high levels of legal immigration way before the spic cuban legal immigrant economist George Borjas. WE DON’T NEED THE BLESSINGS OF THIS ARROGANT SPIC CUBAN ECONOMIST BEFORE WE SPEAK OUT AGAINST LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

In coddling the spic cuban economist Gorge Borjas and the larger spic cuban invader community, Peter Brimelow delegitmitzes the legitimate interests of the majority English speaking Native Born White population of America.

Don’t send even one goddam penny to vdare .com unless vdare.com takes on the spic legal immigrants down in South Florida.

Here are the two secrets to the spic cubans rise to econimc success in south florida;1)massive goverment handouts-free university education for example-and 2)organized crime.

You won’t find any of this mentioned in the spic cuban economist Gorge Borjas’s research.

If vdare.com goes under financially big deal The problem isn’t going away. A more race concious organization will rise up to replace it.

Miami-Dade County is an extremely complicated racial and cultural mosaic. The Cuban component has attracted so much attention because it is the only Carribbean and Latin American group to settle in Dade County and develop an effective political bloc. It is however a rapidly ageing demographic.

Their center of gravity was always northern Dade County around Hialeah. Second generation “Cuban-Americans” have tended to flow northwards into adjacent Broward County and further afield in Florida. “Cuban-American” politicians will remain prominent in the future. But they will increasingly be Democrats in coalition with other non-Europeans, and not the mythical ‘Conservative Family Values Hispanic Republicans’ promoted by ‘Turd Blossom’ Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman, the Jewish homosexual and former chairman of the RNC.

Economically the Columbian enclave is now at least as important as the Cubans and is increasingly prominent.

Jewish economic power and political clout remains in the first rank in Dade County. They own Miami Beach outright, plus Key Biscayne, Coconut Grove and most of the high rent area south along Old Cutler Road towards Homestead. And they were dominant players in developing the forest of high-rise condos now lining Biscayne Bay on all sides.

Miami-By-The-Sea has developed into a major watering hole on the flyways of the Rootless International Cosmopolitans that were discussed here back in May. Miami-Towards-The-Swamp is the preserve of surviving white and growing numbers of brown and black workers supporting this Semitic New Gilded Age.

White Americans are still present in surprising numbers in Dade County. They are politically dispossessed and economically occupy the second and lower rungs of the food chain. Their role today is as technologists and corporatists. They are being increasingly supplemented in that role by Eastern Europeans.

I can vouch for the fact that Miami and NJ white cubans qualify for affrimative action and take advantage of it.

Of course they do. AA preferences are among the incentives I alluded to. You would likely take AA preferences if they were offered. Most people would.

Racial preferences for Hispanics are multiculturalist tools for race formation. They encourage Cubans and others to think of themselves as members of a large racial minority with moral claims on the White population. If you receive benefits on the basis of your status as a racial minority, you have an interest in its preservation. There is a strong likelihood that you will eventually end up thinking of yourself as an Hispanic, even though no such classification existed in your country of origin.

Personally, I’ve discarded the awkward-sounding “spic” in favor of “beaner”.

I find the term ‘mexigrant’ sounds awful to all ears yet trips no existing ‘racism’ levers. Hence I use it often in conversation. ‘Beaner’ is too soft, even affectionate sounding, for my tastes.

‘Spic’ sounds hard, but in conversation often falls flat. It takes real conviction to make ‘spic’ sound convincing as term of racial opprobrium. ‘Wet’, as in “look at all the wets in this place” causes alarm bells to ring. Use with caution, but very effective!

The reigning champion of use of language to instill anti-Mexican sentiment in the listener remains Ann Coulter’s infamous column title “Bush’s America: Roach Motel”.

Edit: Above I meant: “American Whites have EVERY right to resent White Cubans”·
(I never said I was a good proofreader, LoL)

White Argentinians are also a very pushy and uncouth lot, I´ve found.

Sadly in 20 years or so, millions of members of the European diaspora (USA, Australia, Canada, Argentina, etc) are going to find themselves knocking on Europe´s doors, and they won´t most likely be greeted with open arms.
Local EGI´s and socio-political considerations will come into play, in the same way as in the Cuban and American experience.

I still believe Europe will hold forever but the US is basically and tragically lost. Australia and Canada seem in better shape as far as European survival is concerned. I might be wrong.

An old joke: an Argentinian is an Italian who speaks Spanish, thinks he’s English and acts like he is French.

Argentina and Uruguay are the whitest countries in Latin America. Someone said more than 90 per cent of Cubans in the US claim to be white and a majority would probably qualify as such. However, a lot of mixed race Brazilians and Mexicans also claim to be white - must be a one drop rule. I think MR had a thread on the subject a few years ago.

The cubans are spic cockraoaches who have turned miami into a soanish speaking foreign city. I have come to really hate the Spanish language. I do not recognize the cubans as Americans. The Bush Republican party would have you beleiove that the cubans are this great immigrants success story and becuase of this they are more American than Native Born White Americans. I depise the Miami cubans with every fibre of my body and soul. I depise their culture and language. They are not OUR kind.

The cubans in Miami are one one of themost powerfulland dramtic indictments of post-1965 immigration policy. Peter Brimleow has been completely silent about the miami cubans. Deport the cuban spic economist George Borjas. His worthless econometric research was used to justify the 186 Reagan-Republican party amnesty. There is a direct line from Reagan’s 1986 amnesty to the election of anti-white Kenyan bigot Barack Obama.

Ronald Reagan was a goddam traitor. I want America cleansed of the spanish language.

The cuban invaders down in south florida do not belong in OUR AMERICA. It is disgracefull that vdre.com has not gone after the cuban. I Jupiter, want to be first on line to remove every cuban out of our America. I hate the spanish language. I want OUR AMERICA cleansed of this scummy language.

The basis of the cuban sucess story:free tuition,free busineess loans and organized crime…in other words massive discrimination against Native Born White Americans-real Americans. I want the goddam fucking cubans out OUR AMERICA. THEY ARE NOT OUR KIND!!!!!

Economist George Borjas and his childen ae not Americans. They are foriegn invaders who should booted out at the earliest possible moment.

What do you think the cubans in miami have done to the indigenous Native Born White American population of South Florida..Peter Brimelow..they have ethnically cleanesed Native Born Whie Americans out of miami and ae doing it for all of south florida…tall this to your friend George Borjas….time to go after the cubans in miami Peter Bimelow…they are not OUR KIND!!!! The cubans in miami are an alien invasive species. Why are you silent about this Peter Brimelow?

Miami. Was dead ,boring, fifty years ago. its now dynamic exciting, an international hob. thanks to cubans like billionaire Jorge Lopez, the condo mogul .Miami was like appalachia in the 50s and 60s. and remember every body hates ,and call the successful names, while their in a trailer drinking beer. REDNECK.

Miami. Was dead ,boring, fifty years ago. its now dynamic exciting, an international hob. thanks to cubans like billionaire Jorge Lopez, the condo mogul .Miami was like appalachia in the 50s and 60s. and remember every body hates ,and call the successful names, while their in a trailer drinking beer. REDNECK.

Posted by Cruz on January 24, 2010, 11:42 AM |

Yeah, I know the first thing I think of in regards to prosperity and progress is Cuba and Cubans.

If by “dynamic exciting” you mean riddled with crime and disease, then right you are.

Miami now routinely ranks as one of the most violent places in North America. Congratulations!

In terms of economics, when Miami Was majority White 40 years ago it’s per capita income was above the national average.

By 1989, after the Whites left, it was below the national average.

Many Cubans have thrived their though due to their allotted status of “refugee” and minority. The White man has given them many goodies with which to prosper.

Still,the only thing that keeps Miami from looking like Port-au-Prince Haiti is the benevolence and protectorate of the Anglo-Saxon.

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Also, I was tempted to mock your grammar but then I remembered that literacy isn’t considered “dynamic exciting” by Cubans.

Next weekend, during Miami Book Fair International, the lecture halls and streets in and around downtown’s Miami Dade College will become the nation’s largest bookstore as mobs of readers snap up 70,000 books from 300,000 titles on display.

But if you’re looking for a comprehensive, general-interest bookstore within city boundaries any other time of the year, buena suerte. There is none.

You read that right: Miami, a major city of more than 360,000 people, has not a single such bookstore anywhere. Not downtown. Not in Coconut Grove. Not in the Upper East Side. There is no Borders, no Barnes & Noble, no multilingual independent beyond a smattering of niche stores.

I dont know why it such a controversy. In American, speaking from knowing. My grandfather is classified as white. He was pure white. Cubans are not classified, looked at or even considered white. In my view it seems as if they wish they were white. There country is a hispanic speaking country. If you put them next to any of my family they dont even look close to white.

I dont know why it such a controversy. In American, speaking from knowing. My grandfather is classified as white. He was pure white. Cubans are not classified, looked at or even considered white. In my view it seems as if they wish they were white. There country is a hispanic speaking country. If you put them next to any of my family they dont even look close to white.

Hispanic is not a language, stupid.

I am American and of Cuban descent. Stop hating from your trailor houses, you bunch of White Supremacists. Does it get you angry that I’m probably whiter than you are AND have blue eyes…Yes, I’m a White Cuban. Oh, and I have a PhD in English Literature from a top university. Perfect English, Perfect Spanish.

Doesn’t that make you boil?

Get over it, you’re in America. A land of immigrants. Unless you are Native American (as in Native Indian) don’t bitch about “immigrants”.

South Florida is already lost! In the southeast, the best we can do to prevent the spread of the Brown infection, is protect Central Florida, before it’s too late for that region also. The non-Cuban Hispanics and even Haitians are mass migrating there from south of the Tropic of Cancer, and even from South Florida. Osceola and Orange county are now lost. If we lose Polk and Hillsborough, we will be left with only Lake, Volusia, Pasco, Hernando, and Citrus, Seminole, Indian River, and Brevard to keep in this sub-state. Brevard is too narrow and elongated to defend itself from a majority-Brown Osceola and non-White Orange. Indian River will be trapped; Seminole will be lost, especially as West Volusia is filled with Hispanics. My prediction is Central Florida will be a battleground region, as the Latinos and Haitians start moving North!

I do agree White Floridians are neglected in the discussion of immigration, and should be marketed by the Vdare-type of organizations. South Florida is in the same position as Southern California, and Central Florida is in a position similar to Central and Northern Texas’s. Yet, California gets almost all of the attention. I agree with focusing on CA and TX, but FL is not negligible

Also note, the non-Cubans Hispanics are actually a bigger threat-as they generally have less proportion of White ancestry, have the more rapidly growing population, and are moving deeper into Florida (including even dying White-strongholds in North Florida).

For Central and North Florida, I am most worried about the Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Central Americans, Columbians, Peruvians, Mexicans, and Haitians. They are more dangerous than the Cubans, although I am certainly not pleased with the pushy Brown Cubans who keep complaining about the “evil White man!” I also noticed we have growing Muslim and East Indian Hindu communities in the Orlando and Tampa areas. As if the Brown Hispanics and Haitians weren’t enough!

I meant that I believed the Ashkenazi Jews that rule Yankee-Judea are “white” and was simply pointing out the fallacy of using skin color as the sole determinate of what a white person is, since the typically agreed upon definition is “A descendant of Western European Christendom.” ...This definition should also exclude the Russians and slavs since they have their own forms of racial solidarity and own unique set of circumstances and history independent of Europa proper. —DanielJ

So you want to racially exclude the Slavs, while we include the Jews and ALL Southern Italians-including all Sicillians?

It was actually a relief to move from Miami to Imperial Beach, CA just after the Marielito Boat Lift but not even so much because of the Cubans—it was more the relatives of South American land barons that made Miami hell on earth—well the fire ants and sacrificed chicken carcasses strewn around didn’t help the situation any. In Imperial Beach, there was raw sewage flowing over the border from TJ closing down the surfing regularly and the gangs were overwhelming even the old retired Hell’s Angels down there, but, really, it was a relief by comparison.

How was Imperial Beach better than Miami at that time? Imperial Beach sounds like it was awful. Miami wasn’t that bad at that time, was it? And why was it the South American land barons that made Miami so bad? Aren’t they white-ish for the most part? I would think the mestizos and mulattoes would be the main culprits in making Miami hell on earth.

Wade, you know about the unholy alliance between limousine liberal Democrats, living in their gated communities sending their kids to private schools, and Orange County Republicans, who want open borders for cheap labor? Well cross breed those folks and then inbreed them for a few generations and you might begin to see what I mean.

What I called “an eye-opening history of the ‘Latinoization’ of Miami. It’s disturbing enough in what it says, calling attention to the way ‘Miami’s old-line, non-Hispanic white political and business elite’ subsidised its own dispossession assisted by the CIA pursuing its imperial goals, but I suspect the deeper truth is even worse: that the ‘Cold War’ was largely a phoney war whose primary purpose was domestic social control and Military Industrial profit; and that the ‘American’ state considered the presence of Cubans in Miami beneficial not only for their anti-Communist views but because they contributed to ‘diversity,’ i.e., social division, so adding to pressure that America’s racial and cultural identity be redefined. But like I say, if the truth is only as bad as presented here, that’s quite bad enough.”

So you want to racially exclude the Slavs, while we include the Jews and ALL Southern Italians-including all Sicillians?

No. The Jews are excluded. My point was that skin color wasn’t enough.

The Slavs are excluded (except maybe some Protestant Poles) not because I don’t consider them White, but because they need to handle their own business and we don’t need any of the Orthodox in this country. The Sicilians and other Italians (no matter how blue their eyes) should be severely limited for the time being.

Moratorium and expulsions should be the order of the day for us right now.

In 1917 jews had complete control of Russia and very limited control of the USA. A lot of the history from then to now is a story of how jews gradually lost control of Russia while at the same time gradually gaining control of America with the crossover point somewhere around the late 60s. Before that point the Soviet golem was definitely hostile to the West and after that point, and still today, the Western golem is hostile to Russia. If neither side was a golem i expect the hostility would be a lot less.

This was a very interested read. I am a Broward native who at 9, had a fishing weekend with my dad ruined in the Keys because of stupid the boatlife. [Every American with a craft over 15’ RAN there for a piece of the $$$] Grrrr.

I would love to recount the very strong border patrol response in containing the arriving aliens. It made me proud to be an American when we finally reached the checkpoint on the old 2 lane US1 ten hours later and the proud guys were there checking trunks and really doing a fine job with no ‘racism’, even back then when we threw around nigger and spic WAY more in public..lol. I think I coined the term saltwater wetback there that moment, and got yelled at because the officers were not visibly amused so much..

As for us white people still here in South Florida. The white Cubans were the best we could have hoped for.The adjustment act [wet foot/free ride] brought white conservative, Christians to to the US. They mesh well with us redneck Americans really, they have good looking women with insane tempers and emotions, but really have no problem fitting it IMO.

I have been blasted by whites from Miami before for saying the above before, but the city would be full of every communist banana republic reject and way more native Africans if not for the Miami Cubans.

At first Castro was purging the opposition to his rule, that is why Cubans from the 50’s and 60’s are our friends and built Miami pretty well. Later he started sending agents and his black criminals because he saw how powerful they were becoming in Miami and would have gone and ousted him by now if not for the boatlift action in the 80’s!!! White Cubans are as racist as everyone else. It is the turd world banana republics and the progressives from California trying to change Miami now, IMO.

I am American and of Cuban descent. Stop hating from your trailor houses, you bunch of White Supremacists. Does it get you angry that I’m probably whiter than you are AND have blue eyes…Yes, I’m a White Cuban. Oh, and I have a PhD in English Literature from a top university. Perfect English, Perfect Spanish. - Christine

Seriously, why the heck are you even here? To *brag* to us supposed ‘White Supremacists’ how proud and happy you are, as a so-called “Hispanic”, that you look “White”(lol) ... or more accurately think or wish you were?!? (I have yet to meet a “White” “Spanish” or “Latino” person who honestly doesn’t have a known Negro or Mestizo in their immediate family—or Negro or Mestizo genes in their own ancestral lineage.)

Anyway, it really doesn’t matter either way even if you Christine really were (phenotypically-looking) White or not (which I doubt), since you are, at the very least, culturally an alien to our Anglo-Northern European country and civilization—and obviously very hostile to us even recognizing our rights, or even our common culture and heritage, as members of the historic American Majority and of the descendants of the Founding Stock population of Anglo America.

In fact the whole history of the 20th Century especially Stalin era and the phoney “tens of millions” of victims before WW2 Cold War propaganda is a lie mostly coming from Robert Conquest who worked for British intelligence anti-Communist propaganda unit Information Research Department (IRD) which has been revealed by real historians who have researched the Soviet archives. The number of people imprisoned, executed and exiled has been published online. Unfortunately it is in Russian but a table is provided which gives the information of Gulag prison inmates yearly.

Stephen Wheatcroft, Professor of History, University of Melbourne, Australia has produced some of the best who debunked the engineered Soviet famine myth has done detailed analysis along with other researchers detailed study and analysis of Stalin era.

Who do you trust?. History is written then rewritten until the essence is lost. People, Never believe what you read. Mostly what you read is not true. Humans are like that, they like to lie. Just keep those eye wide open. Man is a very sneaky animal.

Dunno how the Cuban American population was like in the 70s, but today? Its in no way a White population. And I live in Miami. Virtually every “white” looking Cuban female down here is hooked up with a Mulatto or Mestizo looking fellow “hispanic”. And thier kids of course, are not white at all. Same deal with the men, though they tend to marry Anglo White woman semi often…So thier kids do look white atleast. But it doesnt change the facts…Miami Cubans, by and large are not white. The info saying they are a white population is old, they have been marrying half negroes for a good while now. And oftentimes, those Mulattos are Cuban aswell. The boatlift was predominantly Negroid mixed Cubans.

And even the White looking Cubans are most likely quadroons, cause it is not uncommon to see Negro features in thier kids [if both parents are so-called white cubans]. Kinky negro hair, and negro features are not European-Spanish features…Even if with pale skin, if the hair is negro that does not equal caucasian. So Cubans, even the White ones…Are not White by the American definition.

Cubans are a minority in Dade nowdays. The first waves that arrived during the 60’s and 70’s moved away from the Cuban traditional enclave around Little Havana a generation ago. Little Havana is now Little Nicaragua. Cubans are less than 25 percent in Dade. Most non-whites you see in Miami are Central Americans, Dominicans, Mexicans, PR, Haitians, Colombians, you name it.

Recent arrivals from Cuba are mostly whites, but there are also blacks and mulattoes. They live in Hialeah.

Second generation Cubans born in the US are perfectly bilingual and they don’t spouse the views of the Latin community at large, their income is above standards. Most Cubans are Republicans and many sympathize with the Tea Party mouvement.

Almost none of the fellows you see at the Calle Ocho Festival are Cubans.

I’ve found that Cubans in general have a far greater appreciation of the classic concept of “America” than many native-borns do. And they certainly have a greater appreciation of the term “freedom” than most.

Lol, look at all the hicks angry at the Cubans down in Miami. The Cubans in Miami are the only European American demographic population that has increased in affluence over the past 40 years. Anglos are just jealous because Cubans are so wealthy and well-educated and don’t need to assimilate to Anglo culture to become successful. I read a statistic somewhere that something like 45% of Cubans earn more than U.S$100,000 a year compared to only 18% for Anglos. lolll Now they are jealous because in Miami they have become the ruling elite and Anglos must submit to them as a lower class. Actually, Anglos should be happy about the Cubans. Why? Because they generate jobs for Anglos and because it is the Cubans who stopped Miami from becoming like Los Angeles. The Cubans are the ones who stopped millions of Central Americans from immigrating to Miami because they want to keep Miami Cuban. The Anglos should be thankful for their masters and not hate them.

I have an honest questions. Why not go back to Europe if being around various racial groups is such a concern? Your ancestors stole this land so why don’t you go and hijack Britian or Germany for you own use and live there where the majority of people are white. Secondly are you affraid after 9/11 and whats going on with Egypt? I ask because the majority of the Middle East has a burning searing hatred toward white people and they already showed white americans what’s in the future by blowing up the white mans building. What I’m saying is you really should think whites are a minority and their is a real Islamic threat bigger and more sinister than blacks or mexicans or whatever. This threat wants to see your downfall don’t you think you should move on from this whole nigger spic talk and worry about the next attack? P.S. I nearly wet myself with 9/11 pay back is a bitch and is best served cold. I wait in gitty delight for the muslim world to converge and release it’s wrath on the american white man.

Florida was part of SPAIN. SPAIN was forced to sell it. The southwest was part of Mexico, and it’s now becoming spanish speaking too. The American government allows it because it knows it’s true.

Also, check your DNA. Not even Europeans were pure breeds. Many ethnic cleansings have taken placed there, even in Russia. England was part of rome for 400 years and accounts shows people from African and Middle East settling in England. People from England have black blood, therefore their suspicious curly hair. Germanics don’t have curly hair. The Cubans of Miami look no different than Italian, Spaniards, or other south european groups. Racial purity is rare according to anthropologists. There are DNA kits. A lot of Anglo women date black guys, Cubans date mostly Cubans, most of whom are always white in MIAMI.

We cubans are whiter, smarter and work harder than you trailer trash beer drinking stupid ass rednecks. Stay in your trailers where you belong and let us run the city, is no longer yours. You are loosers and very stupid, that’s why is so easy for us cubans to be successful. And the NIGGERS are
just these mindless animals walking around smoking crack that they don’t even know where they are from. So start learning spanish pronto.

It looks like a ‘spic’ and a Cuban one, made it into this forum, what a blessing! Just wanted to say to all of you, but specially to this degrading piece of mankind exemplar “Frank” ... God Bless You!!! And I wish you take a good care of your liver, because I believe carrying these feelings, frustrations, and so fucked-up perspectives, will surely impact your health, specially your liver. You will see how insignificant you are with the passage of time, which will consume every single one of you into irrelevant specks of nothingness, with ideas that are so pathetic, archaic, unfounded, and so associated with the particular rather than the universal (which is what every human being must strive for). The only thing I see in this forum is racism, intolerance, and a sense of white-american superiority, superiority based on what? Aren’t there more important things to talk about than ‘white’, ‘gene-pool’ OMG! and other bullshit? Anyway… I’m so glad that I don’t have to carry that burden you have.. suggestion, move to Alaska or somewhere, and even there you’ll find a different ‘gene-pool’ than yours, because the meaning of being human is beyond borders, nation, and language - totally man-invented things. Have a good day! And.. when the Castro’s regime is over I will go back to Cuba, a non-assimilated Cuban, just to make your life easier. Peace!

Look at the Anglos here, all bitter and angry…LOL. Meanwhile, White Cubans are living it up well. I’m a proud NYC-born Italian guido living in Miami for 10 years….and the White Cubans here are totally cool in my book.

White Cubans really do have it best. They’ve done incredibly well for themselves and took a stronghold over Miami in a very short period of time, making it into an even bigger city. White Cubans have been referred to as the Jews of the Hispanic community, for they successfully played the same underdog game of success that Jews have played to much success: place high importance on higher education, work hard, stick with your own kind and help each other out…and yeah, also thrown in some organized crime for good measure. That’s the formula that ALL successful non-Anglo ethnic groups in America have applied…Jews, Italians, Irish, etc. That level of unity is what blacks and other darkies lack.

Do you think any White Cuban’s quality of life has suffered because of Anglos? Of course not…after all, it’s the Anglos who left Miami and are now bitter to the core (see some of the comments on this board for an example…lol). The Anglo took a major backseat in Miami once White Cubans came to prominence, and he’s been there ever since. If you’re an Anglo in Miami now, YOU’RE the NIGGER.
Do you think it matters to White Cubans that Angry Anglos such as those on this thread don’t “consider” them white? Of COURSE NOT….lol. Just like it never mattered to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Irish, etc when Anglos didn’t see them as white or white enough. Here you can find pasty-white Cubans with light hair and blue eyes. That gets them places.

White Cubans don’t WANT to be Anglo, for they’re proud of their Spanish roots. While the rest of America is thinking all Cubans are a “brown race,” White Cubans revel in their whiteness as a little “secret society” of sorts in the nicer neighborhoods of Miami, under the radar and without fear of reprisal. I learned a lot from the White Cubans who came here as part of that 1950s-60s first wave. They are more racially conscious and separatist than Anglo Americans are these days, for the old school White Cubans never let political correctness invade their psyche (they were never targeted with PCness and white guilt, something which was reserved for Anglos). Furthermore, White Cubans aren’t being eaten up by the constant worry of dispossession, unlike Anglos (hence the Anglos’ need to create a thread like this one…LOL).

Basically, White Cubans have ALL bases covered. It seems that the old saying is true: living well really IS the best revenge.

As an aside, the Anglo-centrism of this forum is too limited and wacky fringe for even most WNs on forums such as Stormfront. Even there you can find plenty of WNs who recognize White Cubans DO exist…lol.

The Cubans came here with just the shirt on their backs. Cubans are part of the most successful European Empire known, The Spanish Empire whichcovered more real estate on earth then did the Greek, Romans and even British empire combined. Florida was founded by Spanierds and given its name Florida. Cubans are for the most part are direct descendants of those the found and named and colonized Florida. Its was the first European language ever spoken on that soil, and it still is, nothing strange about that.

The Cubans by statistics graduate as many kids from Universities as do Anglo whites (not Celtic) and people of Jewish ancestry. The crime rate committed by Cubans is much lower than most minorities, lower than even the non white hispanics, italians, irish etc. They are well educated and for the most part wealthy.
Some Europeans mostly of the northern sector can’t wrap their heads around why the Cubans are so successful. Its really easy, They come from a genetic pool of a very old and successful empire, a nation who’s official title under the UN is called “The Royal Kingdom of Spain”. Lilly white color of skin (claimed by N. Europeans does not translate into intelligence and or success in European history, it just never has.

The Most successful sector of Europe having four empires is the Southern European Sector. The following empires were created by the white/olive skinned people of the Southern Europe. They are the Egyptian Empire, Greek Empire, Romans Empire and Spanish Empire.

I have found the the purest of the so called neanderthal gene resides in the the people of northern Europe and this may help explain why for so many thousands of years they were behind the Southern Europeans and nearly every level that could be assessed . Its a point of great jealousy among many NE, though almost all will l NEVER admit to it.

The Cuban success story is a great one, but really, why should it be so surprising??

I think it’s time to be scientific about all of this. Obviously, the culturally inbred loser class of trailor trash is working from limited knwoledge, namely vacuum-packed self-isolation and echo chambers. Here are the facts, for all of you:

1) There are parts of Spain, from which most white Cubans came from, even if by way of the Canary Islands, that have very strong GENETIC affinities with Northern Europe, including Celts and Germanic tribes of Nordic ancestry. THIS IS A FACT, LIKE OR NOT. This accounts for the relatively high prevalence of Nordic features in white Cubans, and even occasionally in non-white Cubans through admixture. Also, not all Cubans are of Spanish descent. You, my jealous friends, can verify this in a library or on the Internet. Don’t be afraid of re-educating yourselves.
2) Yes, most Floridians of Latin American origin ARE NOT OF CUBAN DESCENT. This creates cognitive dissonance when visitors go to the Miami area and see those predominantly “Brown” peoples of mixed Latino origins (e.g. Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Mexicans, etc) that are not of Cuban origin. They end up thinking of them as Cuban-Americans, as most Americans don’t really know the history of Spain, nor what Spaniards REALLY look like. In truth, Cuban-origin people are now a relatively small minority of Miami residents. Check the Census for yourself.
3) Communist takeover of Cuba created tremendous pressure for the more privileged classes, predominantly European-origin (don’t forget, Spain is a European country, and some Cubans of even Scandinavian descent exist) to immigrate. This was a form of “forced” genetic selection. The current population of Cuba is predominantly non-white, adding to the confusion.
4) Genetic studies that I helped conduct, showed great simlarities in ethnic profiles among so-called Anglos and Cuban-Americans. Blood doesn’t lie, so get used to it, you science-hating idiots!
5) It is obviously stupid for so-called Anglos to distance themselves from Cuban-Americans with whom they have so much genetic identity, simply because they have grown up thinking their predominantly Native Indian or mestizo housekeeper was “Spanish.” By the way, if a person looks like a German, it is because he has genes in common with the German. Same if he looks Italian, as he would then share genes in common with the Italian.
6) Those of you who are White Supremacists should take stock of the fact that it is people predominantly like yourselves that have been so successful! I would think this would prove your point
7) Also, for you White Supremacists out there, Cuban-American whites tend to be as racist as you are, although they do take advantage of stupid government policies and conveniently declare themselves “Hispanics”, a label incorrectly applied most Latin Americans That category shouldn’t even exist, certainly within the scientific community. A correct definition for “Hispanic” as applied in the US would be: A human being of any race, whom people in the US overwhelmingly think is of Spanish origin and is not fundamentally so, and often of brown coloration obtained from breeding with non-whites, which the vast majority of Spaniards are not.”
8) It is ironic that Cuban-Americans have allowed the government to consider them a “disadvantaged minority.” Nothing is farther from the truth. Cuban-Americans, for example are over-represented in Congress, the professions, sports, the entertainment industry, you name it Only in 1 in 180 Americans is of Cuban Origin (about 0.56%). Yet, in the Senate, they hold 3 seats, or 3% of the seats (3 in 100). If you know math, calculate the over-representation factor! That is over 5-fold over-representation. And the government wants to give tem handouts?
9) I argue that they should be thrown out of the “Hispanic” category altogether, as that category as defined by the US government, does not fit them for the most part with other Latinos by virtue of either CULTURE OR RACE. Funny what the power of labels can do.

So, let the air into your bubble. Facts matter Imagine, rednecks, if you moved to another country and people mistook you for a member of another race, say Mexican Indian. You might become rebellious and even obnoxious to your hosts. They, in turn, would resent you all the more if you turned out to be successful!

Cubans are just niggers with the skill to organize. Unlike the true nigger, who attacks anything in his path including other niggers, Cuban spics have learned to ban together to succeed. Their ability to reproduce like rats have allowed them to amass a force of belligerent, rotung foot soldiers that can be directed to vote there kin into any office of power, no matter how unqualified they may be. Cubans are political niggers and they have transformed Miami into vapid wasteland of black beans and rice.

It´s funny how ” White ” Cubans want to be accepted by Anglos , specially idiots like charles and Joe. They also hate other Latino groups. Listen idiots, Spain is not white by Northern European standards. Be proud of yourselves. No wonder Fidel kicked your asses out of Cuba, you are a bunch of idiots. You think you are better tha other Latinos, huh?? No wonder in Cuba and in other Spanish-speaking countries they call you ” gusanos “, or worms. That is what you are.

White cubans are delusional. Dont you know that even in europe the white race is diminishing due to race mixing there. And in america its the ethnic looking hispanics ( meztizos/ mulattos/ native american) who are going to take over america. Its 2013, and you white cubans are still on that bullshit about race. You can’t run away from your destiny, in which the white race will be erased and the planet will be inhabbited with people of color. Get use to it you sun-less, pale looking donkeys…

My problem with the people I call Miami Cubans is the INSANE , RAMPANT Cuban political corruption with the lowest police standards due to the lowest political standards, I have ever seen REGARDLESS of Rep or Dem.

I say this as a Cuban transplant from another state who rather have the NY MAFIA run this place than 90% plus of the Miami Cuban political “Cosa Nostra” politicos.

I find it hilarious when people here say they vote for Rep or Dem because all I have seen is self serving vultures who call themselves a Rep or a Dem which means NOTHING in the third world of Miami Cuban politics.

My motto is “If you hate your Cuban family than vote for a Cuban”. I have never seen so many people who think that ethnic pride is voting for useless self serving parasites who suck their blood as I have seen in Miami’s Cuban community.

I was born in Havana ,left at 2 yrs old but we thankfully did not stay in Miami . Thus my interactions with the Banana republic bunch started 4 yrs ago.

Are all Cubans blind sheep who vote for crooks because they are Cuban ? No but looking at Miami-dade and Hialeah IMO most must be .

It´s funny how ” White ” Cubans want to be accepted by Anglos , specially idiots like charles and Joe. They also hate other Latino groups. Listen idiots, Spain is not white by Northern European standards. Be proud of yourselves. No wonder Fidel kicked your asses out of Cuba, you are a bunch of idiots. You think you are better tha other Latinos, huh?? No wonder in Cuba and in other Spanish-speaking countries they call you ” gusanos “, or worms. That is what you are.”

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I have seen a tremendous amount of racism here against NON Cubans but if the Non Cubans sit out local and state elections as the majority do than they have only themselves to blame because the Cuban political stranglehold at this point can be broken in several areas .

I have not seen NON Cuban Hispanics (legal who can vote) nor the “Black” community rise up politically and vote in real numbers in local elections . I have only seen apathy .

Look at the Anglos here, all bitter and angry…LOL. Meanwhile, White Cubans are living it up well. I’m a proud NYC-born Italian guido living in Miami for 10 years….and the White Cubans here are totally cool in my book.

White Cubans really do have it best. They’ve done incredibly well for themselves and took a stronghold over Miami in a very short period of time, making it into an even bigger city. White Cubans have been referred to as the Jews of the Hispanic community, for they successfully played the same underdog game of success that Jews have played to much success: place high importance on higher education, work hard, stick with your own kind and help each other out…and yeah, also thrown in some organized crime for good measure. That’s the formula that ALL successful non-Anglo ethnic groups in America have applied…Jews, Italians, Irish, etc. That level of unity is what blacks and other darkies lack.

Do you think any White Cuban’s quality of life has suffered because of Anglos? Of course not…after all, it’s the Anglos who left Miami and are now bitter to the core (see some of the comments on this board for an example…lol). The Anglo took a major backseat in Miami once White Cubans came to prominence, and he’s been there ever since. If you’re an Anglo in Miami now, YOU’RE the NIGGER.
Do you think it matters to White Cubans that Angry Anglos such as those on this thread don’t “consider” them white? Of COURSE NOT….lol. Just like it never mattered to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Irish, etc when Anglos didn’t see them as white or white enough. Here you can find pasty-white Cubans with light hair and blue eyes. That gets them places.

White Cubans don’t WANT to be Anglo, for they’re proud of their Spanish roots. While the rest of America is thinking all Cubans are a “brown race,” White Cubans revel in their whiteness as a little “secret society” of sorts in the nicer neighborhoods of Miami, under the radar and without fear of reprisal. I learned a lot from the White Cubans who came here as part of that 1950s-60s first wave. They are more racially conscious and separatist than Anglo Americans are these days, for the old school White Cubans never let political correctness invade their psyche (they were never targeted with PCness and white guilt, something which was reserved for Anglos). Furthermore, White Cubans aren’t being eaten up by the constant worry of dispossession, unlike Anglos (hence the Anglos’ need to create a thread like this one…LOL).

Basically, White Cubans have ALL bases covered. It seems that the old saying is true: living well really IS the best revenge. wink

As an aside, the Anglo-centrism of this forum is too limited and wacky fringe for even most WNs on forums such as Stormfront. Even there you can find plenty of WNs who recognize White Cubans DO exist…lol.——————————————————————-

Many who I have met from that junta seem to have the attitude that if Marco Rubio gets into the White house ,the USA military will be used to over throw the Castro’s because God forbid their adult children get their own Miami Cuban hands dirty or worse.

people stop bickering with each other, I was born in pre- Castro’s Cuba and it was a wonderful place fullof FOREIGN BORN PEOPLE, yes CUBA WAS THE HIDING PLACE OF THE JEWS AND SECRET SOCIETIES OF WESTERN EUROPE.

I Had friends from GERMANY , RUSSIA, ROMANIA, ENGLAND, IRELAND you name it !

Even though I was a small child I still remember how well we all got along in our EUROPEAN SCHOOLS that were not cheap and yes…............EXCLUSIVE to EXCLUDE THE POOR !!!

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It is not surprising that Cubans are a success story as mentioned by Charles earlier. They are organized, educated, hard working, and determined. Although I am not surprised at the aggression my fellow Americans have for those who are responsible for the decline of American resemblance in South Florida. But the truth is Florida was a Spanish colony and became a state in 1845. The first city of north American was created in St. Augustine 1565 by the Spaniards. If you do the math Florida was a Spanish territory longer than it has been an American State.

White Supremacist do you really think you are entitled to all of the resources and political control of North America? The Cuban ancestry blood line has been in Florida longer than yours. Sorry you can’t stomp all over the Cubans like you have done the Blacks and Native Americans. They have rightfully taken what is theirs and you must accepted that or not, it does really matter how much you cry or hate because you can’t do anything about it. You are not genetically superior, sorry.

By the way I am Cuban American and love America, country music, guns, cars, Star Wars etc. I am American born and served honorably in the armed forces, serving a combat tour in Iraq. Currently I conducted research for NASA at a great university.

As a Cuban myself, i have a lot to thank this country for, and i would give my life to defend it, anytime. I do recognize that we have a language problem in Miami, sometimes i go to places and try to speak English but they answer me in Spanish. It really doesn’t bother me since Spanish is my first language, but i have lots of white friends who hate that. Please, guys we are in America, speak English, LOL. Other than that, if we overcome the language problem we should start seeing more Whites and other non-spanish speakers feel welcome and happy in Miami, which is basically what we all want. For all my Cuban friends in Miami, stay cool, keep working hard to be successful and be humble. Love you all

I don’t like Cubans. They think they’re better than everyone else. They are only here to help their own people. They are liars, and cheaters and cannot drive. They come from their country to breed self-important children who live off of their parents until they turn 16 and breed self-important children of their own. I don’t credit Cubans to the advancement of Miami, they did

NOT

do it alone. Cubans are so self-important and think that everyone owes them something. I don’t owe you anything, you’re not smarter than me, you don’t work hard than me so stop thinking you do. I’m also tired of these Cuban police officers harassing the citizens. Why don’t you stop chastising people on the streets and go after someone committing a real crime!

IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ANY SITUATION IN LIFE FROM ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IN ORDER TO JUDGE ACCORDINGLY. IN THE CASE OF CUBANS CONQUERING MIAMI, AND OTHER LATINO DESCENDANTS THEY HAVE MADE IT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO WHITE AMERICANS AND BLACKS AND ANY OTHER SMALL MINORITY BECAUSE OF THE LARGE AMOUNT OF SPANISH THAT IS BEING SPOKEN IN MIAMI LEAVING BEHIND THE NATIONAL TONGUE OF THE COUNTRY(ENGLISH).

NOW LOTS OF THIS CUBANS AND LATINOS THEY COME TO WORK VERY HARD TO IMPROVE THEIR LIFE STYLES AND THEY BRING LABOR FORCE INTO THE COUNTRY CAUSING THE ECONOMY TO IMPROVE BECAUSE THEY ARE ASKED TO PAY THEIR TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN ARE. MOST OF LATINOS DON’T HAVE MUCH TIME TO LEARN ENGLISH BECAUSE THEY ARE ALWAYS WORKING TO KEEP UP WITH THE BILLS, IN ADDITION THEY ARE NOT FORCE TO SPEAK ENGLISH IN MIAMI SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM JUST TO TALK IN THEIR MOTHER TONGUE.

HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF THESE ISSUES:

CUBANS AND OTHER SPANISH DESCENTS SHOULD ALL BE REQUIRED TO LEARN A BASIC COMMUNICATIVE ENGLISH SUCH AS TO TAKE THEIR WRITTEN DRIVING TEST, SCHOOL EXAMS, CITIZENSHIP, ETC…

WHITE AMERICANS AND BLACKS SHOULD AS WELL BE TOUGH A BASIC SPANISH TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CUBAN/ LATINO NEIGHBORS. WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM.

CUBANS AND AMERICANS SHOULD WATCH PRESENTATIONS ON THEIR COUNTRY AND WHAT HAS EACH GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST TO FULLY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND HAVE MORE MERCY AND AFFECTION FOR EACH OTHER. THIS AS A RESULT WILL HELP TO IMPROVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WHICH WILL TURN OUT FOR A MORE PROSPEROUS STATE OF FLORIDA.

LASTLY, GOD IS LOVE AND IF HE CREATED US WITH DIFFERENT SKIN COLORS AND LANGUAGES AND CULTURES IS SO THAT WE COULD EMERGE WITH EACH OTHER AND SHARE SOME OF OUR POSITIVE VALUES BECAUSE IN ALL OF US THEY ARE SPECIAL THINGS. HATRED WONT HEAL OUR HEARTS NEITHER WILL MAKE ANYTHING BETTER BUT WORSE.

PEOPLE ENJOY YOUR LIFE, LIVE BY THE WORD OF JESUS AND ENJOYED THE BEAUTIFUL SUNSHINE STATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE DOWN THERE BECAUSE NOT ALL OF US ARE GETTING THAT SAME PRIVILEGE ALL YEAR- ROUND. MAKE THE SUNSHINE STATE SHINE FOR GOOD AND STOP THE HATING.

The only reason Cubans have been more successful than other minorities is because they are white, or at least some of them are. I hope they preserve their white genes and don’t mix with the less civilized darkies.

I do not typically comment on web sites; however, the sheer volume of anencephalous statements on this board, some dating as far back as 2007, particularly by some individual using the name of “Frank,” compel me to reply. In the interest of organization, I have sectionalized my comments.

1. Immigration background

1a. Inappropriate taking of Native American lands

Those of you, the Anglos, who have complained about the immigration of Cubans and other Hispanics to the United States, and specifically Florida, would do well to remember that you are illegal immigrants upon this continent. You came here with the specific purpose and intent, and malice aforethought, to steal the land from its native inhabitants and you slaughtered them to reach those goals. Unlike the Spaniards who, although guilty of similar conduct, left an Indian population fairly intact in South and Central America, as can be evidenced by seeing what the people look like in those countries, the English annihilated the Indians and stuck them in concentration camps under the euphemistic term of “reservations.” You lied to the natives, you repeatedly broke treaties, and you ultimately stole all of their lands.

1b. Theft of Mexican land

Not content with that, you then attacked Mexico, knowing full well that Mexico was weakened from its wars of independence against Spain and France, and threatened the Mexicans with the loss of their entire country unless they “ceded” those lands to you. From that act of aggressive cowardice, you stole approximately 50% of Mexico’s land, including Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California, as well as parts of Oklahoma, Kansas and Wyoming. An insignificant amount was paid to Mexico for part of those territories and some relatively minor debt was erased. Therefore, as regards Mexicans in this country, whether legally here or “illegally” here, they have a historical, moral and ethical right to be here. You, on the other hand, do not.

1c. Florida – a Spanish colony

As a Spanish colony, the first European language spoken in the state was Spanish. Therefore, also as a matter of historical, moral and ethical right, Spanish descendants in the New World have a right to live in the state, especially Cubans, since Spanish Cubans comprised a significant number of those in Florida during the Spanish colonial period.

2. Spanish Cubans’ financial assistance to the U.S. continental army

In case that you are not aware, the Spanish Cubans lent significant financial assistance to George Washington’s fledgling continental army in its war of independence against England. These Spanish Cubans did so, of course, because England was an enemy of Spain. Thus, they were following the principle that by helping an enemy of our enemy, we help to defeat our foe. Spanish Cuban assistance to Washington is a significant part of U.S. history that is never taught in schools here.

With specific reference to my family, my Spanish Cuban ancestors - who descended from many European monarchs, including Charlemagne, Peter I (Spain), King Edward III (England), Peter I (Portugal), Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (AKA Charles I of Spain), Louis VIII (France), as well as Italian and other European monarchs, and who were among the founding families of Cuba - provided significant financial aid to Washington.

Aside from providing financial assistance to Washington, another ancestor, Sebastián Calvo de la Puerta y O’Farrill, the Marques de Casa Calvo (Marquis of Casa Calvo), was a governor of Louisiana during the period that Louisiana was under Spanish rule.

Consequently, if anyone has a right to be in the United States, whether in Florida or elsewhere – it is me (as well as those Cubans descended from the Cuban ruling families at that time that provided financial assistance to Washington). This is so not only because my family helped the continental army so that the starving and poorly-armed forces of Washington could afford provisions to fight the English, but because we have been here long before the Mayflower ever even set sail to the American continent.

Cubans who came before the Mariel boat lift were, for the most part, from the aristocratic, upper crust, professional groups. They did not come here to improve their economic and life situations, as did, for example, your Irish ancestors who came here as a result of the potato famine. They came here due to an untenable and dangerous political situation in their home country – a situation that the U.S. was instrumental in causing due to its continual meddling in Cuban affairs.

In general, the Cuban immigration to Miami has boosted its real estate prices – a great benefit for property owners, has helped local businesses reap significant profits, has turned Miami into a diverse metropolis – and put Florida on the map, so to speak.

4. Racial make-up

Cubans are primarily of European descent, mostly Spanish, with some French, and a sprinkling of English, Irish, and other European nationalities. Of course, just as in the southern United States, due to the large slave labor population, there is a large black population of Cubans, which Cubans call “mulatos.”

The racial divide in Cuba was fairly similar to that in the southern U.S.; however, unlike the United Statesians, Cubans did not engage in the systematic lynching, bombing and murdering of its black citizens. In fact, as far back as its war of independence, black Cubans were in positions of prominence, such as Antonio Maceo, the well-known and well-respected Cuban general whose strategic and battle genius helped to defeat the Spaniards and to motivate the Cubans in the continued fight against Spain. In addition, the former and late president, Fulgencio Batista, was a mulato.

With regard to this matter, in summary, Cuba pretty much followed the concept of “separate but equal.” The wealthy blacks had their own private clubs and associations, and they did not allow entry to the poor blacks. The wealthy, aristocratic, white Cubans had their own private yacht clubs, social clubs and associations, and black persons were not allowed entry, even though they might be rich.

All of that changed after Castro took power because as part of his strategy to control the citizenry, he set about destroying the established social order which, of course, included racial boundaries and divisions. That is why today, in Cuba, there are so many mulatos and a corresponding decrease in the number of white Cubans. The whites who could afford to do so moved out of Cuba to other countries, primarily to the United States due to its proximity to their Cuban homeland.

5. Closing

Based on the portion of the above content that applies to Cubans in general, it is eminently clear that Cubans have a right to be in Florida.

With regard to the ignorant commenters posting inaccurate information, I highly suggest that you engage in well-reasoned research before posting nonsense that paints you in a very low intellectual light.

After reading more verbal diarrhea, or keyboard diarrhea, as it would be more appropriately stated, in some of the above comments, it is quite clear that a lack of education, an absence of knowledge, and envy at the success that Cubans have attained in the U.S., underlie their venomous resentment.

First of all, to the lamentably obtuse individuals who stated that Cubans are not Americans, let me elucidate you on the facts. AMERICA refers to continental land masses, North America and South America. It is named after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian and friend of Christopher Columbus. Cuba is in the continent of North America. Therefore, Cubans are Americans - just as are the Mexicans, Venezuelans, Chileans, Argentinians, Canadians, and every other person born in any of the countries that comprise the two American continents.

Secondly, race and color are two completely different things. Europeans are of the white (Caucasian) race; however, within that race, the white color shade may differ. Not all whites resemble albinos like the English, Scandinavians and Irish do. Thus, the white race manifests itself in different shades of color, with some having a complete lack of color and having an albino appearance, others having a pinkish tinge, others a bluish tinge, others an olivish tinge, others a beigeish tinge, and yet others a yellowish tinge.

In addition, those of you who believe that you are so white because you are of supposedly Northern European descent, should conduct detailed genealogy studies of your bloodlines. You might discover some very interesting things in your ancestry, particularly if your ancestors participated in the Crusades. Contrary to what most people think, the U.S. is NOT the melting pot of the world – it is Europe. The Crusades and the constant land-grab wars in Europe resulted in many different people mixing as a result of the men raping women in the countries through which they traveled and which they conquered, as well as bringing back brides from different nationalities and ethnicities. In addition, in case that you are not aware, there were black female mulatos in England who married white men, although it was done quietly and not much was spoken of it; this was the result of the slave trade in which England vigorously participated. You might be a descendant of one of those women. There was also some mixing with the Asians as a result of the Asian invasions into Europe.

Thirdly, the Anglo dislike and hatred of people who hail from the countries that are the progeny of Spain, is rooted in the incontrovertible fact that you lost the race to the new world. Spain was smart enough to realize the huge upside to financing Columbus’ voyage to the New World. He had previously made the same offer to the English monarchs and in their short-sightedness, imbecility, and Anglo-centric bias, they sent him packing. As a direct consequence of Spain’s intelligent gamble, they became the premier world power in their time, with England a far distant second. The saying during that era was “When Spain walks, the world trembles.” Of course, as is the cyclical nature of the history of the world, after a few hundred years, Spain’s star declined and other powers arose. That is the nature of human history. However, the fact remains that Anglo resentment toward anything of Spanish progeny continues to this day and is rooted in that long-ago rivalry between the two countries. So, people, accept the fact that Spain originally won! Get over it! Move forward!

I live in Miami. It has to potential to be a great place, but unfortunately, all the Euro-centric American whites fled north a while ago. Why? Did they not have any pride?

Cubans, who are most certainly white, yet somehow play both sides of the fence to reap the privileges of being white AND reap the privileges of affirmative action, have flooded in. Much like Mexicans in southern California, they do not seem to be at all interested in becoming Americans (and by Americans, I mean assimilated into the mainstream culture of the United States [since “United Statians” is not a word]). They are still hurting over leaving Cuba although they are doing far better here than they would have been in Cuba. Cubans are Cuban first, American second (so are Mexicans and Jews—the latter being totally tied to what happens in Israel at the expense of the US).

Throughout this country, we have other groups of have migrated here who have assimilated completely within two generations. Only Cubans and Mexicans have a sense of entitlement. They are entitled to nothing. Cubans don’t even have to wait 7 years to become citizens like everyone else has to.

Cubans seem to be very moody, grumpy, negative and whiny. They are also horrible drivers. They honk their horns when they do not get their way like how children cry when you put their toys in the pram. What annoys me the most, and I am sure it annoys you as well, is their refusal to speak our common language, English. 97% of Americans speak either only English or English as a first language. We do not need to learn Spanish to survive within any part of the United States. They are being very disrespectful to the host country (the USA) that welcomed them against the wishes of their own people. Really, I wonder why Carter didn’t send them to Puerto Rico instead. Puerto Ricans use Spanish in all facets of their life except for legal proceedings. Could you, as an American, imagine what would happen if a bunch of Americans showed up in Japan and began demanding things in English? We’d be laughed out the country. Why does the USA refuse to stand up for her people?

This is one area where we can work together. Americans do not have to learn Spanish to survive in the United States nor should we be on the hook to teach people who chose to come here how to speak our language. I have traveled abroad before. Each time I went, I learned at least a small amount of the national language so I would disrespect the host country who has allowed me to enter.

I really wish some good people would move to Miami. I have spoken to Miamians who are black and white and the Cubans are the elephant in the room. Everyone is sick of their non-English and their language discrimination yet no one is speaking up.

Cuban power needs to be marginalized. A huge negative effect of Cubans not embracing America and our language is that major corporations that are looking to leave tax-hell (places like California) completely skip over Miami because they cannot run their business in a place where poor English or no English is spoken. How can a major company have headquarters in Miami and have these slack-jawed Cubans on the phone with their accents even though they have been here 50 years and trying to talk to someone in Montana? How will the company’s employees cope with poor schools and limited English usage?

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