Watford remain keen on re-signing Matej Vydra despite the striker claiming he does not want another loan move next season and would like to join a Premier League club permanently if he leaves Udinese.

The Watford Observer first reported the Hornets' wish to bring back their top scorer from 2012/13 two weeks ago and we understand that position has not changed as the club believe the 22-year-old would benefit from another season in the Championship, as well as helping them in their quest to win promotion at the third attempt under the Pozzo family.

Vydra is now waiting to see where his career takes him next after a disappointing season-long loan at West Bromwich Albion ended and, in comments we reported earlier this week, the striker told Czech news agency CTK: “I don’t want another loan spell and to be jumping into a new town year in, year out and getting to know new teammates and other people from the club.

“It takes you months and then it’s almost half of the season gone and you have another half to get some match practice. After all, it’s better to sign a contract somewhere for four or five years. That’s what I have in mind.

“I am an Udinese player but I have spoken to my agent and he says there’s interest in me in England and Germany.

“I said I had wanted to play in the Premier League and I have made that reality. Now I’m keen to stay there.

“The Premier League in England is my priority. Now it depends on whether the clubs reach an agreement and if the Udinese president lets me go.”

Vydra, who was on target in his country’s 2-2 friendly draw with Finland on Wednesday, was a major factor in the Hornets reaching the play-off final last year after scoring 22 goals in 47 appearances.

That helped him secure a new five-year deal with his parent club and a loan switch to the Baggies. However, the forward only netted three times in nine starts and 15 substitute appearances in all competitions for the Premier League side.

Enough Enough , can we start collecting to not have him back !!!!! Just let him go and sign a player who wants to be there not someone who has to !!! We are to good for you Matej ,Go prove yourself cause i think you and your agent know ,you cant really cope and know if you returned to watford you would just fail even more and end up a has been by the age of 24 ,grow some balls man !!!!

Enough Enough , can we start collecting to not have him back !!!!! Just let him go and sign a player who wants to be there not someone who has to !!! We are to good for you Matej ,Go prove yourself cause i think you and your agent know ,you cant really cope and know if you returned to watford you would just fail even more and end up a has been by the age of 24 ,grow some balls man !!!!Branch72

I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out

Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?

Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us

but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!

I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out
Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?
Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us
but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!JohnnyBarnes

Please, let's start concentrating on players that want to play for us and can do a job. We chased him all of last summer and then ended up with poor striking options...i really hope we do not do this again. We need to get players in ASAP and start the pre-season with the squad for the season. Leicester really didn't bring in too many new faces last year, they had a togetherness and really achieved. We should take inspiration from that.

Please, let's start concentrating on players that want to play for us and can do a job. We chased him all of last summer and then ended up with poor striking options...i really hope we do not do this again. We need to get players in ASAP and start the pre-season with the squad for the season. Leicester really didn't bring in too many new faces last year, they had a togetherness and really achieved. We should take inspiration from that.DJ11WFC

If he came and failed we would be saying it's because he doesn't want to be here. If he did well prior to Xmas we would have to go through the same old nonsense with his agent when the January transfer window opened, so is there any point in continuing to pursue this lad.

If he came and failed we would be saying it's because he doesn't want to be here. If he did well prior to Xmas we would have to go through the same old nonsense with his agent when the January transfer window opened, so is there any point in continuing to pursue this lad.cliff46

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out

Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
&quot;IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?

Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us

but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!

Johnny agree. As big a fan of Matej as I am, the subject needs to be parked until/unless there are real developments.

Your undrestanding of what he says in the Czech article is open to intepretation. It could also be tantamount to a transfer request as no Pozzo club currently plays in the Prem/ Bundesliga.

Watford may well 'want' to bring him back, but as pointed out by another poster on another thread slavery has been abolished. If Vydra wants to come (and fully fit) great, if not look elsewhere.

[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out
Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?
Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us
but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?![/p][/quote]Johnny agree. As big a fan of Matej as I am, the subject needs to be parked until/unless there are real developments.
Your undrestanding of what he says in the Czech article is open to intepretation. It could also be tantamount to a transfer request as no Pozzo club currently plays in the Prem/ Bundesliga.
Watford may well 'want' to bring him back, but as pointed out by another poster on another thread slavery has been abolished. If Vydra wants to come (and fully fit) great, if not look elsewhere.soulfulhornet

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out

Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
&quot;IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?

Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us

but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!

Bang on JB. A picture of Vydra and a headline like that is mere titillation on the same level as some of the links on these pages...a picture of voluptuous mammary glands and a title like '10 celebrities you never knew were glamour models...'

[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out
Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?
Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us
but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?![/p][/quote]Bang on JB. A picture of Vydra and a headline like that is mere titillation on the same level as some of the links on these pages...a picture of voluptuous mammary glands and a title like '10 celebrities you never knew were glamour models...'Bush Hornet

I agree with the majority of posts on this forum, but would just like to add my contribution. MV is a proven goal scorer at Championship level, he is not a proven goal scorer in the PL and because of this, his value in the transfer market has dropped, irrespective of what his agent is telling him, he needs to get on the goal trail again. I don't believe a PL club will take the risk, so his only option is to join a Championship club and improve his value. The Pozzos own his registration and it is they, not Vydra or his agent, who will decide where he plays next season be it Watford or Brentford. My advice to MV is wake up and smell the coffee!

I agree with the majority of posts on this forum, but would just like to add my contribution. MV is a proven goal scorer at Championship level, he is not a proven goal scorer in the PL and because of this, his value in the transfer market has dropped, irrespective of what his agent is telling him, he needs to get on the goal trail again. I don't believe a PL club will take the risk, so his only option is to join a Championship club and improve his value. The Pozzos own his registration and it is they, not Vydra or his agent, who will decide where he plays next season be it Watford or Brentford. My advice to MV is wake up and smell the coffee!ORBY

Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?

Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?SAHornet

I agree with virtually everyone here that we should just forget him and move on. However, that's based on the premise that we're right about his intentions. If his prime target in the Premiership then could that mean that we could provide the perfect vehicle for him since he clearly won't get there any other way this close season because no one would pay what the Pozzos would accept. He may see it that way - we don't really know.

If he doesn't want a loan move, then just move a bit of money around and transfer ownership to Watford. We're all in the same pot - Granada, Udinese and us. It would mean that the Pozzos still own him.

He hasn't actually said that he doesn't want to play for us and nor has he said anything directly disparaging.

So, in summary, I concur with everyone on this but have a slight reservation about it.

I agree with virtually everyone here that we should just forget him and move on. However, that's based on the premise that we're right about his intentions. If his prime target in the Premiership then could that mean that we could provide the perfect vehicle for him since he clearly won't get there any other way this close season because no one would pay what the Pozzos would accept. He may see it that way - we don't really know.
If he doesn't want a loan move, then just move a bit of money around and transfer ownership to Watford. We're all in the same pot - Granada, Udinese and us. It would mean that the Pozzos still own him.
He hasn't actually said that he doesn't want to play for us and nor has he said anything directly disparaging.
So, in summary, I concur with everyone on this but have a slight reservation about it.Sealegs

SAHornet wrote:
Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?

I couldn't agree more - but, as I say, that's assuming we're right about what he is thinking.

[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote:
Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more - but, as I say, that's assuming we're right about what he is thinking.Sealegs

SAHornet wrote:
Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?

I couldn't agree more - but, as I say, that's assuming we're right about what he is thinking.

[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote:
Forget about his desire to play at the highest level - there's nothing wrong with that.Forget about the time he scored goals for us for fun and remember the longest time when he didn't score, wandering around the pitch with his pouting face thinking he was too good to be playing for us. Then remember that his agent does what the player tells him to and that Vydra himself wants nowt to do with us now. Do you still want him ?[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more - but, as I say, that's assuming we're right about what he is thinking.Sealegs

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out

Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
&quot;IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?

Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us

but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!

Fair comment Johnny,but we have just had a season with a team of players who didn't have the commitment to the club & were just going through the motions ,& if Vydra has said (or his agent if the truth is known) he only wants Premier football than we should stear clear to avoid another uncommitted player.

[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out
Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?
Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us
but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?![/p][/quote]Fair comment Johnny,but we have just had a season with a team of players who didn't have the commitment to the club & were just going through the motions ,& if Vydra has said (or his agent if the truth is known) he only wants Premier football than we should stear clear to avoid another uncommitted player.Uzzy14

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out

Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
&quot;IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?

Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us

but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?!

Fair comment Johnny,but we have just had a season with a team of players who didn't have the commitment to the club & were just going through the motions ,& if Vydra has said (or his agent if the truth is known) he only wants Premier football than we should stear clear to avoid another uncommitted player.

[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote:
I would say (and I'm about to contribute to it) that it's the number of comments that Vydra stories get which persuades the Observer to keep spewing them out
Yet another unsubstantiated one, with cryptic quotes from the man himself:
"IF I leave Udinese, I want to go to a Prem club" - well a loan to us wouldn't be LEAVING Udinese, so what does that mean?
"It takes ages ordinarily to get to know your teammates" - well you know our lot already, so what does THAT mean?
Any fan who says he wouldn't take Vydra back isn't worth listening to in my opinion. The guy's a goalscorer, simple as that - and one with a point to prove after a dodgy season last season - so irrespective of how willing he would be to come back in the first instance, it would still be a fantastic result for us
but please, WO, can we focus our attention in other areas until something actually happens?![/p][/quote]Fair comment Johnny,but we have just had a season with a team of players who didn't have the commitment to the club & were just going through the motions ,& if Vydra has said (or his agent if the truth is known) he only wants Premier football than we should stear clear to avoid another uncommitted player.Uzzy14

We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri!

We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri!NorthantsHornet

I think you can forget Vydra , if the lad thinks he can do better than WFC then so be it. More concerning is the future of Troy. His goal scoring record and style of play will attract offers which, unfortunately for us , may be difficult for Troy to resist. Good luck to him , I hope he stays but I doubt it.

I think you can forget Vydra , if the lad thinks he can do better than WFC then so be it. More concerning is the future of Troy. His goal scoring record and style of play will attract offers which, unfortunately for us , may be difficult for Troy to resist. Good luck to him , I hope he stays but I doubt it.tommy gunn

NorthantsHornet wrote:
We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri!

Couldn't agree more.

[quote][p][bold]NorthantsHornet[/bold] wrote:
We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more.mkhornet

NorthantsHornet wrote:
We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri!

Fernando is a fine player, but I am unsure about him as an out and out striker. He is certainly no goalscorer in a Vydra, Kevin Phillips mould. His return is approx 1in 3 to 1in 4 not 1 n 2 which Matej and Troy have been.

Forestieri is also a hard player to read and I would imagine he is a nightmare to play alongside (and against) for that reason. He does offer huge amounts of skill and the unexpected.

I just can't see him delivering week in week out over 40+ games. We do need another striker - with a proven goal scoring record. With the current inflated prices for British players and our budget, that probably means from overseas, which is always a risk as they may not adapt to English football and culture.

[quote][p][bold]NorthantsHornet[/bold] wrote:
We need a striker who has great talent, can score and also get assists, who is a proper Watford player with 100% commitment and that can stay with us in the Premier League. One springs to mind...Fernando Forestieri![/p][/quote]Fernando is a fine player, but I am unsure about him as an out and out striker. He is certainly no goalscorer in a Vydra, Kevin Phillips mould. His return is approx 1in 3 to 1in 4 not 1 n 2 which Matej and Troy have been.
Forestieri is also a hard player to read and I would imagine he is a nightmare to play alongside (and against) for that reason. He does offer huge amounts of skill and the unexpected.
I just can't see him delivering week in week out over 40+ games. We do need another striker - with a proven goal scoring record. With the current inflated prices for British players and our budget, that probably means from overseas, which is always a risk as they may not adapt to English football and culture.soulfulhornet

There's no doubt that Vydra is a class act, but given that our main issue for much of last season was team spirit and, in some cases, work ethic, if his heart isn't in it then it could do more harm than good. As it stands at the moment, it looks like the only way that he would come back would be if all other options had fallen through - doesn't sound like a good plan to me. Forget it and move on...

There's no doubt that Vydra is a class act, but given that our main issue for much of last season was team spirit and, in some cases, work ethic, if his heart isn't in it then it could do more harm than good. As it stands at the moment, it looks like the only way that he would come back would be if all other options had fallen through - doesn't sound like a good plan to me. Forget it and move on...steveinmk

Lets forget it, he wants to go elsewhere...like an ex-girlfriend who doesn't want to make a go of if it a second time...get over it and move on...No player has a right to jump into the top league without working for it...some do so by promotion....lets find someone hungry who wants to wear the yellow shirt...and whatever coloured shorts.

Lets forget it, he wants to go elsewhere...like an ex-girlfriend who doesn't want to make a go of if it a second time...get over it and move on...No player has a right to jump into the top league without working for it...some do so by promotion....lets find someone hungry who wants to wear the yellow shirt...and whatever coloured shorts.bornyellow