<quoted text>I aspire to, like you and word and kit, always offer insightfull links, but end up having to compose a piece in simple English. orrible.

And you don't think people making funny and mean jokes about God isn't appropriate? Like I said, everything is based on interpretation. If that's the kind of language they want to use, fine. Let's have it.

<quoted text>LOL. Did I ever tell you I'm a YEC? Now you're running out of excuses. Why don't you explain your ERV in plain English instead of this nonsense attacks. But you won't, because you use logical and grammatically correct English copy paste as a weapon. Fine and dandy, and quite convenient when you really need it. Because when you explain in plain English it takes away its magic. All of sudden you will be sounding like myth believers about their story of talking snakes.

Okay let's take the fertilised egg.Where is it going to nest and why is the nesting place as is??Is this the case for any mammal?What are the exceptions?Since when?How did it come to be so?

I don't know why we need a space program. There's nothing out there, and nobody exists besides humans and our bio-diversity here on Earth. If they DID exist, we humans still reign supreme because clearly WE would be the ones to contact THEM, and not the other way around. If "extraterrestrials" were so "advanced" then WHY haven't they contacted us yet? And if anyone had any faith at all, they would realize that NOTHING is going to come and end the world until God decides it, and even THEN the world will never be destroyed utterly -- just the non-believers. After all, "the meek shall inherit the Earth" and Jesus will reign as King. Also, why do so many planets CONTINUOUSLY get hit with meteors and asteroids while we just "happen" to get lucky, with maybe an occasional meteoroid grazing or hitting land (Which is probably a warning from GOD anyway)? If any one of you is a scientist or a "logical" atheist who believes science is everything, then try to answer these questions. This is my challenge to all of you. If you can give me an intellectually honest, serious, well-thought-out response that DOESN'T merely have to do with childish insults and name calling, I will then re-consider everything I once thought I knew to be the truth.

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Apparently no one knows how to answer my questions. I'm giving you ample opportunity to prove me wrong. I'm legitimately interested in your replies, and I promise I WILL NOT mock you. I'm encouraging some healthy debate here.

<quoted text>Hey Dummy....The "Scientific Method" cannot respond to your questions any more than "Science" can.Therefore, the individuals that most USE the Scientific Method (Scientists) are the best resource to employ in responding to your concern about the support of the Theory of Evolution by Science.Face it.You painted yourself in a corner.No escape.You lost.Putz.

Best resources? LOL!!!!!!

Says who? What have scientists done lately for the world that any backwater farmer has done, like the Wight Brothers or the vats majority of inventers and innovaotirs that have done FAR MORE FOR SOCIETY THAN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY?

No sir. The scientific community, which is really just information monopoly, has brought us far more terrors like eugenics than anything else.

It is the real scientists like Tesla and Heron of Alexandria, and many other unsung heroes that were NEVER part of any community of scientists that have changed the world.

You are speaking out your ass, and making your "scientists" out to be the new priesthood, which is exactly what they are. We, the PEOPLE, use the scientific method every day. We, the PEOPLE, know more about the world than all the scientists that every have been, and ever will be. We, the PEOPLE, are at the front lines of science ... not those sycophants of Big Business who do as they are told, and obey their masters, and publish papers rather than get their hands dirty in the real world.

You sir, are a fraud with delusions of nobility and blind trust in your secular priesthood of Oz's. You, sir, are a flat-earther.

Man only knows what he can see, or touch, or measure. He's locked in to his own limitations and he is inherently flawed. Who is to say Evolution was not planned? We're nothing in this universe and to think we know the answers is rather vain to say the least.

<quoted text>And you don't think people making funny and mean jokes about God isn't appropriate? Like I said, everything is based on interpretation. If that's the kind of language they want to use, fine. Let's have it.

Most here that you think we are making mean jokes of have been around since forever and keep not reading/learning. Repeating the same abusive shyte. A few pages back it was just flaming and always based upon incredulity, but no scientific arguement whatsoever. We can do this in our sleep.(I had a three nighter i'm still recovering from, yep speed up)I normally respect believers but am really bad in dealing with abiding stupidity. So we know most of those posters allready for a long time.And proselysing is also frowned upon.

<quoted text>Best resources? LOL!!!!!!Says who? What have scientists done lately for the world that any backwater farmer has done, like the Wight Brothers or the vats majority of inventers and innovaotirs that have done FAR MORE FOR SOCIETY THAN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY?No sir. The scientific community, which is really just information monopoly, has brought us far more terrors like eugenics than anything else.It is the real scientists like Tesla and Heron of Alexandria, and many other unsung heroes that were NEVER part of any community of scientists that have changed the world.You are speaking out your ass, and making your "scientists" out to be the new priesthood, which is exactly what they are. We, the PEOPLE, use the scientific method every day. We, the PEOPLE, know more about the world than all the scientists that every have been, and ever will be. We, the PEOPLE, are at the front lines of science ... not those sycophants of Big Business who do as they are told, and obey their masters, and publish papers rather than get their hands dirty in the real world.You sir, are a fraud with delusions of nobility and blind trust in your secular priesthood of Oz's. You, sir, are a flat-earther.

This, Cybele is a 50 years of recent science denier or maybe an ID iot. So no content but a lot of mouth. Bit like a langolier in reverse.;p

<quoted text>Perhaps you missed my earlier post... back one page I think. Here it is again:Signs of recent evolution by natural selection are widespread across the human genome, experts say.Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics."These are very recent eventswithin the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.Full Article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/...Five Proofs of Evolution: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-pro...The Probability of Life: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/probabil...Lines of evidence: The science of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...National Academy of Sciences information on evolution:http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/ne...Scientific proof is not a problem for evolution is has tremendous proof behind it. The problem is creotards constantly bickering about it and trying to convince the stupid people that its not true.Lying for Jesus again...you people are so wrong and evil.

More fraud.

"experts say." No they are not experts. No one is.

"... 700 regions in human DNA where "apparently" strong selection ..." Non-committal language for plausible deniability when other scientists find contrary evidence. They don't want to put their careers on the line.

"... genes linked to a broad range of characteristics." Which are? Humans already have a VERY broad range of characteristics. And how have they isolated the ones they think are new?

"The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ..." ADAPT! Not evolved, ADAPT! Not the same thing, but poor scientists switch the words around to hoodwink us all the time.

"The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations."

Holy shit, are you kidding me? We don't need evolution for this! A known historical FACT that is self-evident, which is NOT evidence of evolution, but evidence of humanity very good ability to adapt to all sorts of changes.

Lying for science again? If you don't see the errors of your own sources, you are hopefully. I REALLY should not have to point this out to you.

<quoted text>Dumb downed info for people who are not familiar with the science. Go take a course in the science, then come back to me.Unlike you, I don't have a belief that all of science is a big conspiracy lead by Satan to discredit God

Dude. I hate to break it to you. But you don't understand even the basics.

And no one has asserted a conspiracy against God. MOST OF THE SCIENTISTS that advanced evolution have been CHRISTIANS and JEWS.

Man only knows what he can see, or touch, or measure. He's locked in to his own limitations and he is inherently flawed. Who is to say Evolution was not planned? We're nothing in this universe and to think we know the answers is rather vain to say the least.

By calculating the chances we say it's not planned.Unless you are going to tell me that also every extinction was planned.Tomorrow let's go for the bees.Good move, since that kills of most plants that provide our food, thus ultimately us.But the earth does not care whether we live or die.Some other species goes on or evolves from tried and tested methods. Just because they work and the biochemistry and environment is right.Or we see 'adaptation to changing environment' allready in f.i. melanogaster and other one-day-flies(it's an expression) so some insect will take it's place that's less specialised.Specialised would be like the wasp that used to have a symbiotic relation with the olive trees.

<quoted text>Science denier, that is amusing. Actually, it's been going on for a 150 years, and you are the evidence of it.And what the hell is a langolier?No, don't answer. I'm sure it's just more proof of your hatred of humanity and total bigotry.

Do google, it's usefull.And why should i hate humanity and be a bigot?

You don't understand evolution and that's the only message you are giving of for pages. And what the farmer does not know he won't eat. But most can't even read the bible properly but swallow it hook line and sinker anyway.

<quoted text>Do google, it's usefull.And why should i hate humanity and be a bigot?You don't understand evolution and that's the only message you are giving of for pages. And what the farmer does not know he won't eat. But most can't even read the bible properly but swallow it hook line and sinker anyway.

By your own posts.

I understand evolution perfectly more than the general population by far. For one, it's not that complex. For another, it's not that mysterious. It is unusual in that intuition suggests that it is true, and yet not evidence in nature or biology confirm the model.

What? What the farmer does not know he won't eat? What the hell are you talking about? That is what I mean by bigotry, you obviously have very demeaning ideas about farmers.

Yes, humans are sometimes too trusting of other people's claims, and don't ask questions. Which is why there are bad Christians ... and bad people like you that take evolution on faith from other "authorities."

<quoted text>By your own posts.I understand evolution perfectly more than the general population by far. For one, it's not that complex. For another, it's not that mysterious. It is unusual in that intuition suggests that it is true, and yet not evidence in nature or biology confirm the model.What? What the farmer does not know he won't eat? What the hell are you talking about? That is what I mean by bigotry, you obviously have very demeaning ideas about farmers.Yes, humans are sometimes too trusting of other people's claims, and don't ask questions. Which is why there are bad Christians ... and bad people like you that take evolution on faith from other "authorities."

Ever tried herbal thee to wake up with.It's an expression.With general application. Usually people are ill at ease and will judge quickly in a negative tone when they do not understand a subject fully.

Scepticism is good as far as it goes together with education.

A statement about understanding evolution better than most would have to be proven.If you talk about the general population you might maybe have a point. But sofar the gist has been that you see no point in any research since you can't find real-world application.(I could also say that who claims also needs to proof, but getting the gist sofar i'm generous. A real humanitarian.)Talk about farmers, you want to improve yield, wel you start your evolutionary experiment untill you got what you want.Or call the lab that specializes and order what you need.

You want a baby but do not want a fetus damaged in screening:Over at Xconomy Luke Timmerman has a post up, Natera Joins Quest in Four-Way Battle for Prenatal Genetic Tests. Here are some important details:

The company uses the same basic instrument to analyze DNAIlluminas HiSeqbut it has been tailored differently to look for about 20,000 different single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in the moms blood sample. The workflow is pretty simplea clinician takes a blood sample from the mom, it gets shipped to Nateras centralized lab in San Carlos, CA, and results are sent back to the physician and patient in two weeks.

After meeting with executives from all four major players in the non-invasive prenatal genetic testing market, and many physicians at the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine meeting, JP Morgan analyst Tycho Peterson wrote that the market appears poised to take off.

In stark contrast to just a few years ago, NIPT [non-invasive prenatal genetic testing] is now widely understood and used by the maternal-fetal medicine community, which tends to be an early adopter of new technology and often sees high-risk patients, Peterson wrote in a note to clients Feb. 18. Still, he cautioned there are widely divergent views among physicians about the appropriate use of the technology, particularly on whether it should be expanded beyond high-risk pregnancies and into more mainstream usage. .For readers of this weblog who are interested in this sort of thing I think the key to note is that it doesnt matter what your doctors views are, just find a doctor who will align themselves with your views. Youre paying for it, and you are going to raise your children, not them.

And by the way, 20,000 SNPs is a decent amount to work with if you got the raw data. It would be good enough probably for inferring the identity-by-descent from various grandparents and such.

<quoted text>Argument by authority?In other words, logic fail ... again.Sure, "professional" scientists support evolution. I never suggested otherwise.But the actual application of the scientific principle does not support it. The model still doesn't work, and no amount of "professional" scientists can make a working model yet.Got it? Good.

If "extraterrestrials" were so "advanced" then WHY haven't they contacted us yet?

We haven't found a way to effect interstellar travel.To get to the nearest solar system, we would need a fuel tank large and heavy enough to weigh the spacecraft down.I hope there is a way, but there probably isn't.

And if anyone had any faith at all, they would realize that NOTHING is going to come and end the world until God decides it, and even THEN the world will never be destroyed utterly -- just the non-believers. After all, "the meek shall inherit the Earth" and Jesus will reign as King.

That leaves me out.I don't realize that.

Also, why do so many planets CONTINUOUSLY get hit with meteors and asteroids while we just "happen" to get lucky, with maybe an occasional meteoroid grazing or hitting land (Which is probably a warning from GOD anyway)?

It put a stop to the dinosaurs.How can you be so confident that it won't put a stop to us?

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