I used to own a bunch of the Avalon Hill games as a kid, and as an adult tried many turn-based computer war games. Too many of them got mired in moving a thousand pieces, but Panzer General and PG II were great!

Glad you like the game. It's fun you made this comparison, as we are all huge fans of Panzer General; we even once had the pleasure of having Joel Billings himself call us up when Memoir '44 the boardgame came out

I used to own a bunch of the Avalon Hill games as a kid, and as an adult tried many turn-based computer war games. Too many of them got mired in moving a thousand pieces, but Panzer General and PG II were great!

I'm digging this game for the same reason. Fast paced, fun game play.

Another Avalon Hill gamer. Hello & Welcome Good Sir.
I own a bunch of A-H games and enjoy/enjoyed playing them.
My favourite is the Attack on Malta that came in Air Assault on Crete.

Memoir44 is simple and quick to play, but I do hanker for a good A-H game from time to time.

I still play the good old Panzer General, every now and then.
But it's running in DOS and is harder to get it running smoothly more and more.
PC's nowadays are just to fast for it...

I have a collection of old PCs. An XT, a 386, 486, 586, and a variety of pentium onwards laptops.

I began programming as a career on DOS 3.1 on XTs.

I know all about processor speed. Many bugs showed up when programs were run on faster PCs, sometimes the hard disk or network write/speeds didn't keep up. When we went to threaded programs synchronisation was more of an issue.

Those were the days. 640K ram in 64K blocks, shuffling drivers into upper memory, the tricks to maximum memory.

Good news for Panzer General fans, Slitherine Games is releasing an updated version called 'Panzer Corps'. Found out about it on the 'Matrix Games' website. Screen shots available there to confirm it is the PG we once loved.

Good news for Panzer General fans, Slitherine Games is releasing an updated version called 'Panzer Corps'. Found out about it on the 'Matrix Games' website. Screen shots available there to confirm it is the PG we once loved.

I'm not a Panzer General fan (yet, though nothing will take the place of Memoir '44 for me) but do you have a link for us? I would be interested to see pictures of the new game.

The best place to see more about the Panzer Corps game is:http://panzer-corps.com/
When I say your remarks that a remake of PG is in the making, I got worried. I did like PG and PG II but the "3d" versions after that didn't cut it.
What I see here look good ...

Hi guys, here is the link for Panzer General III Scorched Earth with some 10 added campaigns and several different equipments files to play with more variation. Should work on vista, and Windows 7. Maybe Panzer General III can be fixed to be played online by the DOW team some time, because it is an excellent game, like Memoir '44! To get back the costs for doing so, maybe it could be also 'pay as you play'. https://rapidshare.com/files/1030313829/PanzerGeneral3Scorch edEarthInstaller2.0.exe
Here is the forum on Panzer General, you can find also links there to download the other versions of Panzer General with all the extensions made by gamers in thousands of hours! http://panzercentral.com/forum/index.php

In fact I've purchased all Grand Campaigns and the Afrika Korps expansion - great game.

Another great game that I like even better than Panzer Corps is Unity of Command and the expansion Red Turn (also Matrix).

Matrix in general has a lot of great games (I also own Panthers in the Fog, the two Decisive Campaigns games, and Conflict of Heroes).

If you like Memoir 44, I'd highly recommend Panzer Corps, Unity of Command, and Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear. The first two are grand strategy beer and pretzels games, with not a ton of counters (a plus in opinion). CoH is tactical. All turn based.

"PG Forever is a remake of one of the greatest strategy games ever created - Panzer General. The goal of the project is to preserve the original game mechanics and the characteristic look and feel of this classic game, and at the same time improve all the other aspects: compatibility with modern hardware and operating systems, UI and usability, multiplayer capabilities, AI and customizability."

And it's free.

I own Panzer Corps, Unity of Command and Decisive Campaigns.
Very good games.

I own Panzer Corps, Unity of Command and Decisive Campaigns.
Very good games.

We can try some online battles...

I'm about half way through all the Panzer Corps Grand Campaigns, playing concurrent Eastern Front, Western Front, and desert campaigns.

I also done most of the Unity of Command scenarios and have been working through the campaigns. Fantastic game.

Decisive Campaigns (WtP and Case Blue) are beasts. I've gotten through a few small campaigns successfully and am currently doing Poland. The large campaigns are a bit overwhelming but I want to try one. Game system is great...

I now managed to get the game to run and started to play the Koniev campaign, but there must still be something wrong. My units are not being upgraded, and there is little chance of winning Kursk with obsolete BT and T26 tanks against Panthers and Tigers.

Loved PG and Pacific General but you do not really need to fiddle around trying to get the old Panzer General working..
Just get the demo for Panzer Corps from Matrix games everything that the old PG was and more!

Okay, so I dumped PG III (as it wouldn't work properly anyway) and bought Panzerkorps (core game, Afrikakorps and Grand Campaign 39-42) ... runs just great and seems to be a very good adaptation of the classic PG.

BUT ... starting with the 1939 Poland campaign (from the GC expansion) and playing the "Posen" scenario, I was shocked to see that the ignorant and incompetent creators of this map used the present border between Germany and Poland, not that of 1939! So what we have here is the Wehrmacht invading Germany, crossing the Oder to attack Breslau! Only a complete moron could be capable of such a major historical mistake. Sorry, but this is a huge turn-off!

I've just downloaded the demo and will try Panzer Corps in the next few days. I'm afraid my very limited knowledge will not allow me to judge the historical aspects of the game, but having considered the PG series one of the best of all time, I hope I will enjoy it as well.

Okay, so I dumped PG III (as it wouldn't work properly anyway) and bought Panzerkorps (core game, Afrikakorps and Grand Campaign 39-42) ... runs just great and seems to be a very good adaptation of the classic PG.

BUT ... starting with the 1939 Poland campaign (from the GC expansion) and playing the "Posen" scenario, I was shocked to see that the ignorant and incompetent creators of this map used the present border between Germany and Poland, not that of 1939! So what we have here is the Wehrmacht invading Germany, crossing the Oder to attack Breslau! Only a complete moron could be capable of such a major historical mistake. Sorry, but this is a huge turn-off!

Turbo please post your findings on the Slitherine Panzer Corps forum..
I would like to see this fixed or to see their answers to your findings.

In the latest patch, the "German Border Bug" has been somewhat remedied by renaming several cities (although this now has the Oder river flowing in some strange directions).

In any case, I'm now not only a M44, but also a "Panzer Corps" addict, having purchased every available expansion and currently playing the Grand Campaign '42. For June, the "Allied Corps" expansion has been announced. We will see if DoW can do anything to match this challenge ...

In the latest patch, the "German Border Bug" has been somewhat remedied by renaming several cities (although this now has the Oder river flowing in some strange directions).

In any case, I'm now not only a M44, but also a "Panzer Corps" addict, having purchased every available expansion and currently playing the Grand Campaign '42. For June, the "Allied Corps" expansion has been announced. We will see if DoW can do anything to match this challenge ...

Turbo PM me if you would like to play a PBEM game..
Craig Vivian (Gen. Mills) and I have done this several times and it a lot of fun vs a live opponent.