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The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.

Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.

Some day, you'll realize (or maybe you won't) that not everyone has the same preferences.
Yes, I agree that $34k is stupid for a Focus ST. It shouldn't be any more than MSRP for the trim level in question.

At least there are some reasonable people here that understand the practical differences between a 4-door hatchback and a 2-door sports car.

Yeah well i'm not that stupid to pay $8000 over MSRP , like i said, whoever wants to pay $34k for the ST2 Focus needs to go to another dealer because you can buy the same fully loaded car for $27k ....

Also Subaru and Mitsubishi might give you more power but it still have a Fisher Price quality interior ...i went to the Auto show in February and sat in the STI , well i don't think i could live with that car for years , interior quality and feel of the whole car makes me wonder if i can justify overpaying $15.000 for the car that has the $16.000,- econobox feel

Evo's plague is cabin drone, and raw comfort seats. Anyone hear anything on the forth coming Evo? Last I heard it would be diesel. That draws my fancy a little.

The next Evo is going to be a diesel electric hybrid, if you want an Evo you may as well buy one now while you can....

As for the Mustang, I fapped to it, praised it, then I actually drove it, and yeah its cool on paper but I would rather drive something else; I mean it feels reallllly cheap it makes my Ranger feel upscale lol.

Originally Posted by Subwoofers

You must be a professional troll in real life.

Originally Posted by Crob

I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

How hard is it to understand, that when people need 4drs, they are looking for cars w 4drs. Not a faster 2dr for same money. Mustang can be a great bang for the bucks, but its a coupe. This dude needs 4drs, Let me repeat it again FOUR DOORS!!!

Dood, I know you said you were in the market for a 2 bedroom condo, but you should totally buy an Aston Martin DBS instead. It's only slightly more money but it's way faster!!

Yeah well i'm not that stupid to pay $8000 over MSRP , like i said, whoever wants to pay $34k for the ST2 Focus needs to go to another dealer because you can buy the same fully loaded car for $27k ....

Also Subaru and Mitsubishi might give you more power but it still have a Fisher Price quality interior ...i went to the Auto show in February and sat in the STI , well i don't think i could live with that car for years , interior quality and feel of the whole car makes me wonder if i can justify overpaying $15.000 for the car that has the $16.000,- econobox feel

Same here. I would have to upgrade that STI interior, by retrofitting my mkv R32 fronts and leather wrapping the dash, and whatever else to not feel like I'm in a plastic container.

The next Evo is going to be a diesel electric hybrid, if you want an Evo you may as well buy one now while you can....

As for the Mustang, I fapped to it, praised it, then I actually drove it, and yeah its cool on paper but I would rather drive something else; I mean it feels reallllly cheap it makes my Ranger feel upscale lol.

Dang, that sucks. I'm sure it'll be a little better, well I hope

Ya, I dont like the current Mustang at all. If I wanted two doors with a v8, and the luxury of AWD I would buy a used 07 S4 cabby.

Also, some food for thought, since reading the last page... A ms3 stage 2 Cobb tuned is faster than a STI stg2 and Evo. I have high hopes for the ST in the power and reliability department. So I guess I left that out. It will be modded, suspension, lightweight wheels, tuned, turbo back, intake, new fmic, progressively of course

Same here. I would have to upgrade that STI interior, by retrofitting my mkv R32 fronts and leather wrapping the dash, and whatever else to not feel like I'm in a plastic container.

Ya, I'm shopping around. Make a few calls tomorrow.

It not just the dash feel cheap, when i opened the door it had that typical Asian door feel ,light and had no weight also when you close it it doesn't make that thump noise , also i hate that damned climate control knob .....

What did she like about it? Did she testdrive the mk1 or the mk2 ms3? My brother wants me to get one soo bad, but I hate all the cheap hard plastic in both generations. He has a mk1 on e85.

Mk2. What did she like about it? The way it drove. I know in here is the land of dash strokers, but in the real world people usually look at what options they want and then decide on a car based on how it drives. She said the clutch wasn't finicky, the shifts were precise and it handled great.

Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79

gotta agree, the MS3 and the ST are pretty well competitors. The Focus just has a way more nicely finished cabin and probably better all-around suspension tuning.

Fully agree having been in both. I would prefer the ST personally, but it will be my wife's car, so it's her choice ultimately. Plus price may play a factor for her. Who knows. Not like I know what she wants even after 11 years

Drove one and loved it. My wife is waiting to test drive one to decide between it and the MS3. And when we buy I won't be going off the dealer sheets or putting up with their BS. I'll go thru Costco and save myself a headache and several hours of "negotiating".

i've been looking at the ms3 too. drove one and loved it. they're cheap and inconspicuous. people aren't really considering them. you can get a 2011 for about $22k from a dealer on ebay. much better bang for buck than the focus, especially if it's going to be over $30k.

these cars come out and it's expected they'll be attainable for under $400-500 / month. like the bmw 1 series. we're like, nevermind! rather get a 3 series!

Why would I buy a .:R when the whole appeal was because of the AWD and vr6. The golf R is an abomination.

Dude, the Golf R is a completely different car with a completely different appeal than the R32. Get over it. If your metric for a successful VW .:R model is that it has a VR6, then obviously a turbo-four isn't going to do it for you.

But if you want a loaded GTI that's faster, edgier, and factory-reliable, that's your ticket. Oh, and the AWD, which is not insignificant.

I see the new Focus ST as a Mazdaspeed3 done right...wider power band, more developed chassis, more conventional styling. Awesome car, but I wonder if it's for a slightly different buyer than a Golf R. I know a lot of people that bought Golf Rs specifically because they didn't want another BMW or Audi. They wanted something edgier that flies under the radar but is still sophisticated and Euro-styled. Focus ST buyers are probably coming from cheaper cars --not more expensive ones --and are more likely to choose the orange paint and flashy wheels (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79

I love that there is a 'Murrikan competitor to all the Asian/German hot small cars, and that it's truly a worthy effort from Ford. I can't wait to see how the GTI VII stacks up against it. I love that you can now get cars from Ford other than the Mustang that are a scream to drive, and real performance machines.

to this. An American hot-hatch that isn't using massive amounts of power to excuse its shortcomings? Paint mine red, white and blue, please.

While I am most certainly not the target demographic of a Focus ST, I applaud Ford for bringing this thing to market. It sure does offer a lot of bang for your buck, and it's wrapped in a package that's not too "look at me". That said, approaching $30K for this car is getting a little insane. Hell, a $30K GTI is also insane in my book. But for my money, I'd choose the GTI every single time.

And what the Focus ST will do is up the ante for the competition. That means VW will have to give a significant power boost to their next Golf R to further distance itself from the power output of this Focus. While those 2 cars don't necessarily compete, they are both considered hot hatches. And a $10K premium for the AWD Golf R is a hefty premium indeed if it doesn't come with a healthy power increase as well.

One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two