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Topic: poppers and ks - the connection? (Read 17807 times)

While I understand your point, to suggest that poppers are harmless is akin to arguing that they're responsible for serious immune suppression. One man's "cheap high that wears off in 1 minute" is another man's "poppers are the cause of AIDS" -- neither argument holds a lot of water, based on the scientific evidence thus far.

Because the development of KS is extensively linked to VEGF and its receptors, the link between inhalant nitrites and KS may be explained mechanistically, at least in part, through the stimulation of VEGF expression by these inhalants.

In particular, VEGF mRNA and protein expression were significantly up-regulated. The tumor weight and volume of a VEGF-responsive tumor were significantly increased with repeated nitrite exposure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

clearance of inhalant nitrites is rapid, its toxicological effects are not transient. Significant alterations in the expression of several cancer- and angiogenesis-related genes were observed

Bimazek, were you a heavy user of poppers ? Is there anything we need to know to explain why you are so obsessed with this story? I mean if the point is to tell people that abusing poppers is not good for your health, then yes, we understand that.

as tim said above there is 2000 times greater chance of getting KS if you are poz

but all those who get it are part of the 10%, so if you are unlucky enough to have got that ks virus

you would be

20,000 times more likely of getting KS if you are poz and have virus than if neg and

the immune system is pretty good at fighting it off not everyone gets it

so why increase the risk if they now know that a gene is opened by poppers associated with KS

regarding the nose covered completely in KS, my theory is the poppers unlocked the gene where it was most exposed in the nose of the individual, we now know the gene, he was poz and he had the herpes8 virus so he was suseptable

tim sayscorrelation does not establish causation

true but also science tries to explain things that it sees in nature

the scientific method

there is no other plausable explaination, why a persons nose who is poz would be covered in KS (perhaps he blew it too hard with a tissue, perhaps he used coke alot, there must be some explaination)

if you are one of the 90% whodo not have the virus even if you are pozdont worry you have almost a zero chance of getting KS use popper all you want, 10x per day, you might up the risk of other cancers, but not KS

but if you are poz and you have the virus, who knows my theory is you are taking a big risk

and they dont test you and tell you if you have the virus so no one knows if they are suseptable

answers.comAbout 5% of cancer in men and 1% of cancer in women result from exposure to carcinogenic substances in their work environment, Workers who are exposed to diesel fumes, such as railroad crews and truck drivers, may have a 40% greater risk of lung cancer. Diesel fumes contain benzene, formaldehyde, and dioxins. Formaldehyde alone can cause respiratory cancers http://www.answers.com/topic/occupational-exposures-and-cancer?cat=health

Bacteria in the mouth chemically reduce nitrate, which is prevalent in many ... Nitrosamines are carcinogenic in animals. What level of exposure to these ...lpi.oregonstate.edu/f-w00/nitrosamine.html -

I had a feeling this was going to happen sooner or later - you linked to an aids denialist website. Doing this is expressly against the Terms of Membership which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.

I have removed the offending link from your post and I've also given you a seven day time out.

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Just caught on to this thread and I have to say Bim seems kinda like a 3rd grader pitbull. Pretty hilarious but scary too. Although I believe he meant well, he sorely needs guidance to sieve through proper relevant info before insisting they are facts.

Personally, using poppers on special occasions, causes my lymph nodes along my neck to swell; but settles after a few days. Occasionally it gives me a pretty bad headache/fever too, so I do avoid them until that special occasion comes along . It's kinda like saying since beer is bad for you, one should completely avoid it. Makes no sense. Everything in moderation.

Great use, at least for me, from recycling those empty popper bottles. I donate boxes to the Charmed sisters. They make magic potions to cast out demons and they do need bottles. And we do have alotsa demons to cast out dun we? lol sniff...sniff

Great use, at least for me, from recycling those empty popper bottles. I donate boxes to the Charmed sisters. They make magic potions to cast out demons and they do need bottles. And we do have alotsa demons to cast out dun we? lol sniff...sniff

As long as you recycle those little amber bottles you will not be judged.

OK I have to add my two cents. I have KS and have been going for chemo for almost a year. Yes I have AIDS and I started getting KS when my Tcell's were at 11 and My Viral load <500000 But I have never done poppers.SO just wanted to say you can get KS even if you are not using poppers.Tony

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