HORSESENSE PROPHECY: THE UFO, MAHDI AND TEMPLE MOUNT

On a cold night in the west desert of Utah, one of the country’s most important army
bases goes on lock down. Dugway proving ground is the United States’ most secure
biological and chemical weapons facility located just south west of Salt Lake City.
The commanders tell the media that the lockdown is because of a “serious concern.”
Dugway has been featured in many Science fiction films like “Species” and “Rage”
because it holds and protects the country from serious biological contaminants. If there
was ever a “Zombie virus” it is probably there along with other viral nastiness both
human and non-human.

Dugway is also rumored to be the new and active replacement for Area 51. There
have been many interesting tests of new weaponry and aircraft seen in the area. On
January 26th, 2011 the entire facility goes on lockdown. No one gets in and no gets out.
Imaginations run rampant about why the facility has gone to such drastic measures.

Meanwhile, outside in the cold Utah night a strange occurrence is taking place. Residents in Utah County, an area 40 miles southeast of the Dugway facility are seeing a strange UFO in the sky. Witnesses tell the local news that a UFO that has blinking red lights is releasing what appears to be a glowing orb that lowers to the ground silently.

The orb is described as very luminous or ultra bright. It lowers slowly from an unknown aircraft with red lights that move around it.

The aircraft and orb seem to be over the geographical location of the Dugway base. The coincidence seems to be uncanny and the connection of the lockdown seems logical up until the base notifies the media that the lockdown was because of a missing vial of VX gas that was not found in the inventory.

However the UFO over Utah County remains a mystery.

The story becomes just another typical UFO story in a mountain of others that wind
up on You Tube and systematically torn apart by wannabe analysts that will troll the
internet waiting for video that they can flame and call a fake without even knowing the
background of the sighting.

Video evidence of anything that looks other than worldly will most definitely get the once
over by people who always claim to have an extensive background in CGI and know
that someone is out to Hoax the world with a video that shows a blurry UFO dancing in
the sky.

While it is of some benefit to have watchdogs calling out the hoaxes it can get awfully
annoying when those who claim fakery later become fakers themselves showing us that
if they can fake a video, it has to be some sort of hoax. What most debunkers fail to
do is to look at the sighting in context. They do not consider motive for creating the so
called hoax. They don’t consider how the appearance of such a sighting and or story
will affect the collective unconscious. They don’t bother to search for surrounding stories
or perhaps corroborating witnesses. They just go about creating a rebuttal in hopes that
they can partner with you tube to sell car insurance. I always see the debunkers as
lazy, ill informed, and willing to say anything to debunk a ball of light in the sky as CGI.

That is because they assume that people believe that all anomalous activity in the
sky is connected to interplanetary extra-terrestrial spaceships. They also feel that it
is necessary to enforce finite physics. They believe that there is not anything beyond
what we have already seen in our microscopes. Anything that violates their rigid belief
systems must be proven to be faked or there must be a way to somehow demonstrate
that anything extraordinary can be faked and so therefore it is faked.

This type of thinking and behavior is in my opinion the equivalent of what falls out of the
southbound end of a northbound bull.

Lately there has been a buzz about a number of anomalous activities that have been
happening in Egypt and in the holy land.

About the same time as the UFO was seen over Utah an event allegedly took place in
Jerusalem where the same type of UFO was being recorded hovering above the Dome
of the Rock. The UFO incident was a doppelganger for the Utah event.

The first videos that surfaced were recorded by two onlookers who were standing on the
Armon HaNatziv promenade, which is south of the old city of Jerusalem. The witnesses
were facing north towards the Kidron valley some 20 minutes when they noticed a
ball of light appearing in the restricted air zone over the Dome of the rock. One of the
observers speaks to the other noting that it may be a police helicopter.

The light then descends rapidly and appears to hover over the temple dome. For a
few seconds there is no movement. Then there is a flash of light and the object shoots
rapidly up into the sky. The witnesses pan upward and in the night sky you can barely
make out revolving red lights that seem to be affixed to some aircraft above.

Immediately after this video was placed on the internet there were knee-jerk responses
by trolls who without research determined that the authenticity of the video should
immediately be called into question. They attempted to show how the background
didn’t seem right, that the glowing orb in the sky can be made in a computer. They
even had questioned its authenticity because according to the skeptical wunderkinds
there had to have been more than those two guys that saw the thing, because it was
assumed that a tourist attraction like the Dome of the Rock should have had more
people videotaping it and the anomaly.

I was thinking to myself that the chances of a lot of people video recording an event
like this at 1:00 AM during Shabbat are pretty slim. The Jewish Sabbath or Shabbat
happens from Sundown Friday till sunset Saturday. I would also like to point out that
pictures from an Israeli weather cam positioned farther away from Jerusalem in the
Nayot district to the southwest shows a small light that wasn’t there before. This light
appears around 1:00 Am. The light appears at 00:57 and then it appears again at 4:30
in the morning.

I want to emphasize that these screen captures do not prove that UFO was there only a
light in the air that wasn’t there days, months, or even years earlier. However this is only
another piece of circumstantial evidence to support a light of some kind over the dome.
Another video surfaced from the Armon HaNatziv promenade from a man who was
also recording the event on his cell phone. Both videos were synchronized to show the
descent the huge flash and then the blurring ascent into the sky. Both videos seemed
to complement each other.

A third video then surfaced however this one looked as if it was faked. The reason it
looked like it was a faked video was because while the UFO appears above the dome,
there is no reflected light from the UFO on the dome itself and before it shoots off into
the sky there is no brilliant flash.

It is also interesting to note that the third video has been used by Israeli news Channel
2 and has been scrutinized as fake. The other two videos were ignored. Meanwhile a 4th
video appeared on you tube and this time the footage submitted seemed to once again
show geographic locations movement and the flash before the UFO blast off into the
sky.

This video appears to be taken at Mount Scopus looking south. Mount Scopus is
known as the lookout mountain to get a great view of the old city and the Dome of the
Rock. Four people in a car are traveling near Mount Scopus and it appears one of the
occupants needs to take a leak. He steps out of the car angrily and slams the door. His
friends pretend to leave him and he chases the car. He walks to the overlook and is
followed by a female, the male driver and a camera man or girl. The video then abruptly
cuts to a large bright object hovering above the Dome of the Rock. As in the first two
videos shot from directly across the valley there is a huge bright flash and the orb bolts
to the sky.

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Now I wanted to point out something that was lacking in Video number three and that
is the glow on the Dome itself. The fourth video clearly shows that when the orb leaves
after that flash, the glow on the Dome disappears. The Dome is also reflecting the
increased light as the orb moved overhead and to the left leaving a shadow on right side
of the dome. Pretty detailed for a so called hoax. When the light blasts above the light
on the dome disappears.

Now that all of the videos have been released and the debate over whether or not

ET has decided to do some sightseeing the fact remains that the Dome of the Rock
is probably the least likely or better said the worst likely place to have such a UFO
sighting.

The Dome of the Rock has been Ground zero for religious tensions between Jews,
Christians, and Muslims for nearly 2000 years. All three religious sects have fought for
control of this 35-acre property that sits in the old city of Jerusalem.

The question of who owns the 35 acre property and who the temple belongs to has
been what has curtailed any notion of peace in the Middle east. Jews have contended
that the new temple of Solomon should be erected on the site. When the old temple is
destroyed and the new one is built it will be a sign that it is time to welcome the new
messiah.

Fundamentalist Christians interpret the coming of the Jewish messiah to mean the
Second Coming of Christ. Muslims oppose any and all desecration of their holiest of
sites oppose any encroachment on their holy site because the spot is actually where
Muslims believe Mohammed ascended to heaven on a White horse with the angel
Gabriel to receive the Koran.

Reports of a UFO over the Dome have now caused many Jew, Muslim and Christian
to speculate over exactly where it was headed , what it might be and perhaps have
given it a religious significance. Some researchers have said that the orb or great light
appeared above the Dome and then moved over the Garden of Gethsemane. While
skeptics see a hoax, science fiction enthusiasts see aliens and those who are religious
see an angel, Elijah or even the Prophet Mohammed retuning on his white horse.

While the internet was buzzing about the UFO event over the Shrine in Jerusalem there
were other events taking place that were overlooked and from a Fortean perspective
need out attention in order to piece together what might be a paranormal event on a
grand scale or a well planned or staged event that is meant as a worldwide Psy--op to
have us believe that a supernatural event is coming to usher in a new “golden age.”

After the incident in Jerusalem there were reports of a strange comet like object in the
sky above Kazakhstan. The mages that were documented on You tube resembled the

same UFO that was recorded in Hangzhou, China in July of 2010. Once again skeptics

were crying “hoax: then even though the hoax shut down the airport because according
to authorities the UFO was gigantic.

While the “comet” has failed to capture the attentions of the majority of the internet,
there a few people who have weighed in on what was in the sky. Opinions range from
a “Russian Rocket” a rogue comet or again the possibility that the Mahdi is sending a
message to Islam as he rides his horse through the night.

Muslims like Christians believe that a day of judgment is coming. They are encouraged
to look for signs that the apocalypse is near. The arrival of the Mahdi is the most
anticipated and central event that faithful Muslims are waiting for. The arrival of the
Mahdi or “the guided one” is one of the first signs that the final judgment is at hand.

While the word Messiah is a Judeo Christian term, the Mahdi is considered messianic
and the one who has been declared a anointed one to both Sunni and Shi’a Muslims.
Muslims believe that the Mahdi is a deliverer for all mankind.

Islamic tradition says that the Mahdi will appear and join with an army of Muslim
warriors carrying black flags. The Mahdi is supposed to lead this army to Israel and re-
conquer it for Islam. The Jews will be slaughtered until very few remain and Jerusalem
will become the location of the Mahdi’s kingdom on earth.

When the Mahdi returns to earth he will appear at the temple in Glory, and will also be
among the fighting Muslim Brotherhood. He will appear on the back of a white horse.
Many Christians believe that the “White horse” prophecy has been misinterpreted by the
Muslims.

In the sixth Chapter of the book of the Apocalypse, the scripture says that in the visions
of John he saw a man sitting on a White horse in the midst of the mobs waiting to
conquer.

“And I looked up and saw a white horse standing there. Its rider carried a bow, and a
crown was placed on his head. He rode out to win many battles and gain the victory.”

There continues a description of several horsemen who ride in the final days each horse
having its own symbology. There is war, famine, conquest and death. The horses
also have colors. The white horse is a horse of Conquest; this horse is the horse that
the Mahdi is supposed to arrive on. A Red horse brings war, the black horse brings
plagues and the pale horse which is a deathly white and greenish horse brings death.

The question is are the horsemen literal or are they symbolic? Could it be they are
astrological archetypes or memes?

As pointed out in a previous Ground Zero Article “Look to the Sun for the Warning” I
had pointed out that the signs in the stars are confirmed by the warnings from the sun.
Anciently we were told of the crossing star or the heralding light that would arrive and
signal the beginning of the final cycle of creation. There are four constellations that are
symbolic of the horsemen. Sagittarius is the rider of the white horse. The Black Horse
is Libra, and the Red is Scorpio. Ophiuchus represents the pale horse of prophecy and
with his arrival comes pestilence and death. Later he uses the snake to heal the sick
and raise the dead.

The crossing star or the light that appears before the horseman has been called

Wormwood. Wormwood is believed to be coming from Orion. The orb or star shall
appear before the arrival of the Antichrist. Wormwood is a symbolic star or comet that
passes over the earth can causes the waters to bitter, killing fish and birds.

The meme of all these eschatological archetypes are somehow manifesting in our
reality. A UFO over a religious shrine whether it be hoax or not creates a thought form.
It inspires and triggers the apocalyptic wiring as we are now seeing rebellion and mob
like behaviors in Egypt.

It is important to also cite an incident that took place during a broadcast on MSNBC
where reporters were covering the riots in Egypt. During the broadcast of the Rachel
Maddow show, The camera pans across the rioting crowds. About 10:25 seconds into
the report the camera captures what appears to be a ghostly rider on a pale green
horse.

The images from the report were put together for a special Ground Zero TV Clip that was effective in stirring an apocalyptic fever,

It is obvious that the image is caused by the refracted light from a raging fire off glass
but what is amazing is the well defined horseman image riding into the sky. Once again
you can logically explain away the simulacrum as a trick of light, but how do you explain
the mind’s way of interpreting the pareidolia as the pale horse of the apocalypse or the
Mahdi riding his ghostly horse amongst the warring factions of the Muslim brotherhood?

Can we compare it to finding the image of Jesus in a Tortilla or are we seeing a sign
or indication that are collective unconscious is generating apocalyptic answers to the
various supernatural Rorschach tests?

The anomalies we are seeing have been exploited in such a way that we are hardwired
to see these images. Christian belief systems get a nudge as the memes of heavenly
anomalies become evident and the prophecies of a messianic return all revolve around
what the New Testament calls “wonders in heaven.” Jews and Muslims see them too
and the advent of a UFO above a holy shrine is like seeing the arrival of a celestial god.
Suddenly everyone is seeing these religious archetypes and fearing that the end is
upon us.

The late Philosopher Jean Baudrillard has said that what has happened in postmodern
culture is that our society has become so reliant on models and maps that we have lost
all contact with the real world that preceded the map. Reality itself has begun merely to
imitate the model, which now precedes and determines the real world.

He believed that we are in a time of hyperreality and that there needs to be a movement
of hyper skepticism where intellectuals stop legitimizing the notion that there is some
ultimate truth behind symbolic “appearances.” Doing so enables the elite to manage
public opinion easily.

The elite are watching how we respond to these anomalies from the sky and the sacred
images that appear spontaneously in water stains. I am sure they are well aware of the
reaction of riding horsemen on television and how prophecy can work to change or even
unite a group into a common cause against a perceived enemy.

For example When Barack Obama went to Cairo Egypt to speak there were some very
interesting things that Transpired. Egyptians compared Obama to King Tutankhamen.
King Tut along with other Egyptian Kings like Akhenaten were offspring of the “sun”
disc, or offspring of the Aten. Aten was also known as the great “alien” sun God, a
Reptilian God.

The Egyptians heralded Obama as royalty and the president did not miss an opportunity
to give them reason to believe he had some divinity and method to his appearance
there. While in Cairo, Obama called himself Barack Hussein Obama. This was one of

the rare times his three names were used in an official capacity. In Cairo he used all
three names because of the power they possess and because of what might be a bit of
prophetic projection to Muslims.

According to a 17th Century Hadith from the Bihar al-Anwar , Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib
prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the
Ultimate Savior, a “tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West.”
Commanding “the strongest army on earth,” the new ruler in the West will carry “a
clear sign” from the third Imam, whose name was HUSSEIN Ibn Ali. The tradition
concludes: “Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us.” THE PROPHECY IS
CODE. A Tall Dark Man sent from Hussein is with us.

In a curious coincidence Obama’s first and second names–Barack Hussein–mean “the
blessing” or “light shine” of “Hussein” or “Sent from Hussein” in Arabic and Persian. His
family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means “he
is with us,” these names spoken and declared before Muslims carry powerful magic
foretold in the Hadith’s tradition.

Coincidentally Barack is the name of the White horse which carried Mohammed into
heaven from the Dome of the Rock.

I hate to think that our next monumental step in our evolution is watching ourselves
devolve into fearful rabbits because of medieval prophetic visions that hold us hostage.
It is equally embarrassing to know that there is a way to manipulate the masses by
posting an account of some strange anomaly and having people riot, panic and spend
wasted hours trying to prove a hoax by inventing a hoax.

The declaration of the extraterrestrial presence is waiting in the wings because the
whole pseudo-religious and political exploitation of an event like that creates the perfect
environment for a mass deception.

You can ask any Christian, Muslim or Jew, they believe in an externalized
extraterrestrial god that rules the narrative that rules their lives. This narrative seems to
be embraced with a bit of naiveté because the scenario includes mass destruction and
death. Christians believe they will be saved, Jews will be saved. Muslims believe that
destruction can be had all over the globe and they will not perish.

The world is waiting for a planetary savior to rule them and to control them. They are
looking for a Christ, a Mahdi, or Maitrayea. Jews await their messiah and all of them
carry the traits of the contemporary extraterrestrial that comes down in a beam of light.

It doesn’t matter if any videos or new reports of anomalous activities in the sky are
proven to be hoaxes. It is becoming quite obvious that there is to be a pervasive change
in the narrative. It is to include the possibility that all things that appear extraterrestrial or
alien are all part of the great cycle of creation.

With the current news reports showing Muslims rioting in Egypt and the spread of
revolution moving through the area like wildfire, what better way to unite a people than
to have flash before them a God or entity that reinforces their resolve.

Behold there comes a pale horse, and he who sits on his back is the representation of
death. Death comes from the air; It can appear as a simple anomalous ball of light over
a holy shrine.

You end this describing “Muslims rioting in Egypt” as though the movement to remove Mubarak’s regime is something exclusively Muslim. There’s so much weird shit happening on a daily basis that even the superstitious religious people are never shocked by a bunch of mysterious fireworks in the sky .

http://twitter.com/philife philip thorn

hallo, nngood comments especially on Jean Baudrillard. I will look up. It is fact that our environment influences are cognitive thought. Our environment is something we experience through all our senses. Our senses do not normally deceive us but they only perceive the environment at any given time based upon what we have learned. This can be recalled. Our environment is created by the world in which we live and our perception of it. If you create knowledge, interpretations, witnesses, experiences, even senses – such as in advertising you essential create a “map” of the environment – that is an interpretation of reality. The interpretation is just that, an interpretation. Whether we like it or not we are part of the world on a cognitive level but our knowledge of this is limited to our perception derived from our senses. Video imagery is very convincing, it evokes all kinds of reactions but its not real its just a sense perception. What makes one person react one way and another the opposite is merely due to perception. Now remember that perception is our sense of our environment. When our environment is changed we perceive the change. What I am trying to say is there is two things here. The environment, contrived or real makes no difference to our perception of that particular environment. Knowing this, why are people so concerned with whether something is true or not. It’s simple, its basic life and death. Death is generally always being avoided, life is always being pursued. This is not to say that someone who is suicidal can escape this, I am talking about the learnt ability to avoid a gap, cellular activity, learning balance, learning to feed etc. I don’t want to go to far into this but put simply our environment is perceived and decoded by our perception. so whether something is real it is easy enough to say it is a dream, because of this we should be very skeptical indeed to survive and there is nothing wrong with this. In fact it is most wise. Only by rigorously testing and reproofing can any new beneficial knowledge be gleaned. The sad thing is the “map” Jean Baudrillard refers to is very inbuilt into our perception passed on by our environment – which in part is now created by media – yes thats right, media. From newspapers, to books, to videos, to games, to comics, it goes on. being skeptical isn’t being pessimistic its being realistic a trate we all share but rarely use. So using this idea of being realistic, ufo over Jerusalem more than likely equals a fake, why, its part of self projected perception and fits in with the psyche of the world. Think about it even if it was real what real significance does it have in your life? thats right none. You personally haven’t encountered the real thing live at hand. If you had then you could explain what you sensed. So second hand then surely this has to mean something to me? think about, no, nothing really. It is essentially a false sensation, something we all have felt – like when watching a movie. What I am saying is that we can only perceive and search out the truth. Making coincidences is an age old practice, worshipping the unknown the same. What about the things that are known and are facts from science, maths art, culture these are the things that are worth revering. After all these are the by products of our history and the trial and error of all previous generations. Remember that this world is based on a money for monies sake and mostly in large we all follow this. I.e. we all worship the money god, and use, in some way, money. Money no longer represents what the use of the thing that money should represent. The people that dont or are trying to give up using money and focus on using and working with earth itself ( a finite environment) have probably got it right because they realise the facade and false perception and have learnt to adapt without or with very little need for money – its superfluous to their wants not just their needs. Whats all this got to do with ufos over Jerusalem. Well not much really but it does highlight to me at least one thing – the world is running out of oil and money is soon going to be rejected as the basis of pursuit for existing, the ufo over temple is real or unreal is a distraction of what the real issues are in the world. Money is the elephant in the room. If it is real then it is only going to be relevent to the people who witnessed it first hand – you can believe and even follow them if you like but you would do better to see and hear and sense with your own perception and test your own experiences. I will start you on the right path – that is money worthless. Love, food, shelter, water and a clean environment are what we need. Leisure and pleasure and no slave working fro worthless money. Once you have truly tested something it is hard to deny. These tangible true things in life are very precious indeed. I cannot speak for the alien if this was a real situation as it would all be contrived garbage as I havent seen an alien or had experience of them or their environment – even if i did i would find it hard to believe even if it seemed so real and i would question it and try to prove its existence to myself.

http://twitter.com/philife philip thorn

Saying muslim is a common mistake of words which mass media often use being reiterated. If I am honest the first time I learnt anything about muslims was from the movie robinhood prince of thieves. OH how my mind has become so easily warped! See how alot of the things we talk about are science fiction or media driven….

misodihe@guerillamail.org

Quoting Clyde “With the current news reports showing Muslims rioting in Egypt and the spread ofnrevolution moving through the area like wildfire, what better way to unite a people than to have flash before them a God or entity that reinforces their resolve.” I expect better conclusions from Clyde. I couldn’t even listen to the show last night. Clyde if you were paying attention you should be well aware by now that the rioting in Egypt is a pretty fucking relatively secular to what you would have your audience believe. The people of Egypt who are tired of being fucked over by their asshole leaders. They know damn well Obama isn’t some kind old pharaoh reincarnated.

Clyde

The Muslim Botherhood is not a religious movement with a politcal agenda? You can’t listen to my show because I am talking crap? I don’t get it.. discussion would help here instead of avoiding the conversation..THAT IS WHY YOU CALL IN and NOT TUNE OUT.. this show and article was based in apocalyptic echatological movements and ideas.. Not whether or not the Egyptians are getting screwed over by their leaders..please. We all are being screwed over by our leaders – this issue is about a strange anomaly in Jerusalem over a Muslim shrine and how Mahdi prophecy and the coincidence of what is happening in Egypt could play out to harden the resolve of the Muslim brotherhood — If the Egyptians “Know damn well” that Obama is not the reencarnated Tutankhamen — then why were they hocking souvenirs that said he was.. why the huge bust of Michelle looking like Nefertiti.. I see that you see all of this in a political way…thats okay –but face it– politics are run on mythology and religious zeal and people are not always rioting because someone is getting bent over a keg getting anally raped by their leaders. If that was the case then there should have been riots like this over the Trillions of dollars that our leaders have stolen from our posterity. I guess we all like it that way.. tomorrow lets remove UNDER GOD from the pledge and burn Christina Aguilera for screwing up the national anthem. People are livid about that — go figure. I dont belive it is all about getting screwed over by their leaders sorry — there is something else going on.

Endlessgzsockpuppet

I did get around to downloading your show. Thank you for the Podcast. My advice. Read more of Juan Cole’s commentary. The people were probably selling those kind of souvener trinket’s because they were given away by the Obama administration. They know Obama is a joke and would rather be the same old shill for Mubarak’s regime. Ancient egyption pharoahs have nothing to do with Islamic prophecy. It’s a cartoon joke. They get it. The U.S. policy is bewilderment and perplexed feelings about how this revolution is going. Obama is slow on the draw supporting the revolution, Senator Mccain thinks it’s a virus, and indeed YOU’RE RIGHT the U.S. government and Israel probably want to use religious memes and superstitions with everything in their power to topple the places where it wants them to topple., sure as you say, but I feel as though you’re underestimating just how determined the people are to form a secular governments across the entire Muslim middleastern country. In a place like Israel where Palestinians are harassed constantly by Israeli’s, why should they feel any awe from these UFO’s ? WHY? WHY? WHY? BTW Shiites (Iran’s religion) are not about to think Obama is some kind promised Mahdi.

Clyde

I love Juan Cole. I will read up Thanks for the tip.

Clyde

One more thing I forgot to ask — Do you live in Egypt? because I don’t and I really am not qualified to make comments about Egyptian politics. I know an Egypytian guy who might know something — but he lives in LA now enjoying the Amercian life.. I just wonder if you are qualified to know all of the motive behind the protests and the riots.

Clyde

I also want to point out that the “Muslim rioting” comment was meaning that the Muslim take over of the secular riots is becoming evident. If it becomes a religious issue then we could see the peace accords between Egypt and Isreal suffer.. if they saw the event at the holy shrine as a sign it would harden their resolve.. its like when the black block hijacks a protest or when the tea party movement is hijacked by Sarah Palin… they turn into a dangerous cult.. and BOOM armegeddon. I dunno what do you think?

E-Money

All these happenings are most definitely a distraction from the very real issues that so many of us face across the world today. However, it is a very entertaining distraction. Mainly, I just feel sorry for the people who did see these events, and despite the how extremely outlandish the facts were, still shared them with the media; only to have them labeled as false or crazy by skeptics. This, in turn, only reinforces the pressures on people who may witness extraordinary events in the future, to share them with the public, for fear of public scrutiny. It seems to me that we can all agree these videos are hard to explain, and look very convincing,. It is a shame that ordinary people can’t be taken seriously with such events, because people can’t fit the idea into their nice and neat box of what they know as reality.

Maxarc17

mabey the sculls are in playn

Malice404

freakiest and most real thing ive ever seen. its eerie

Badbrodyjr

what i saw was an awesome site that can only be said in one word UFO!

Lees2337

Did anyone notice it happened on 1/28/11 exactly 9 months before 10/28 a light from the sky possibly like a god descending to impregnate a woman like in myths

Clyde

Holy hell 9 months before the cycle of creation… a light comes down. whoa. Pretty good .. great observation and you ready for this? A comet will appear in that time frame like a star of bethlehem..Comet Elenin.. Thats too much LOL

Clyde

Holy hell 9 months before the cycle of creation… a light comes down. whoa. Pretty good .. great observation and you ready for this? A comet will appear in that time frame like a star of bethlehem..Comet Elenin.. Thats too much LOL

Lees2337

Did anyone notice it happened on 1/28/11 exactly 9 months before 10/28 a light from the sky possibly like a god descending to impregnate a woman like in myths

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDJWCM2M3G3CVPTO53XBSM26MY lucifursam

I think it’s generally agreed (by those who have studied them closely, anyway) that the videos of the UFO over Jerusalem are all fake. I was one of the many who were initially fooled by the first couple of videos, but upon further scrutiny, and thanks to some excellent analysis from the good people over at the ATS forums, it becomes more apparent that they are all part of some grand hoax. In this case, I’m actually glad. I don’t think I like the idea of UFOs flying over supposed “holy” religious sites, do you? Anyway, interesting article nonetheless!

Groundzeropdx

It is not generally agreed — who agrees? ATS agrees? Is that why they reopened their blog on the subject? ATS the same forum that gave us the Arizona killer agrees? Okay — is that why HOAXKILLER1 the idiot coward who first posted his analysis felt that it was okay to not allow anyone to refute his so called evidence of the hoax? I am sorry Lucifursam (Cool name BTW) There is not sufficient evidence to prove a fake yet. Have you discounted the weather cam images? I guess they prove a fake as well. Please tell me how ATS is the end all be all to this argument.. there was also a Challenge in ATS to duplicate the exact same event .. the skeptics freaked.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDJWCM2M3G3CVPTO53XBSM26MY lucifursam

I never stated that ATS is the “end all be all”, only that there were numerous users on there who posted some great analysis of the videos in question which allowed me to recognize what is clear evidence of fakery (both video and audio). Unfortunately, I can’t post all of the details, but have another look at the forum (it’s now back in the “hoax” section, BTW), and try to look at the videos again with a more critical eye to detail. If you still disagree, then fine, but at least examine all of the critical analysis presented by others (not just HOAXKiller1) before you make up your own mind. As for the weather cam images, I did look at those, and found the same light source to appear more than once after the supposed “sighting”, so I don’t see that as proof of anything unusual.nnThis brings up an important point I’d like to mention, though. When we examine videos like these, and no witnesses come forward (including the supposed filmmakers, in this case), shouldn’t we first have to prove that they AREN’T fake before we accept them as documented UFO evidence (rather than accepting them first, only to find out later that they’re fake)? I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that how’s it’s supposed to be done? In the past, professional video analysts used to be paid for jobs like this if I’m not mistaken. In any case, I think if we all did this, people would be less inclined to create clever hoaxes, don’t you?

Groundzeropdx

But that is not what was done. They presented it as “I can fake it so threfore it is fake” we all know that things like these can be faked — But the context for faking it is all based on potnetials and not realities. The thrid video by all means was faked. it did match the other 3 videos that were consistent. I do not rule out fakery– But I do not care for the methods of trying to prove something when they do it on false premise or without thinking in context. Every skeptic is out to disprove the idea of an alien or ET possibility. That does not make the skeptics.. they have made up their minds and want to try and make up other people’s minds. They declared that extraordinary claims were made.. THERE WERE NO EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS MADE– all that was shown was a light, over a holy shrine and at least three sources that seemed to be congruent. one was not at all congruent and is beimg used as evidence of a hoax. No one os coming forward because they don’t knpow what they have,,, they may have witnessed something they weren’t supposed to see. I had photographs once of what I thought was an alien and bragged it up — I then had my car bombed because what I had was not alien at all but a secret weapon that was being developed for the Gulf war.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDJWCM2M3G3CVPTO53XBSM26MY lucifursam

“Every skeptic is out to disprove the idea of an alien or ET possibility.”nnThat’s simply not true, Clyde, and I think you know it. A skeptic simply suspends judgement until sufficient proof is given. A skeptic questions and looks for alternative explanations. A skeptic doubts authenticity, knowing how deceitful others can be. Most importantly, a skeptic refuses to believe anything, because “belief is the death of intelligence”. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a little healthy skepticism. I consider myself a skeptic of sorts, yet I’m also pretty open minded, and I DO consider not only the possibility, but the PROBABILITY of ET life. I’ve read many books and watched lots of videos on the subject of UFOs, grey aliens, etc. and I have even seen some strange things, myself. At the same time, I can’t just go and accept a video posted on You Tube as proof of documented UFO evidence without any critical analysis of the video itself or eye witness testimony to back it up, and I’m sure many of the ATS users feel the same way. Yes, we do all know these things can be faked, which is why I feel it’s even more important that we resist the urge to adopt a stance of credulity whenever a supposed new “UFO footage” video goes viral. I think it will save us all a lot of grief in the end. Don’t get me wrong, though, I see your point that this will generate thought amongst the religious. However, I think if this had been a holographic projection it would have had a much bigger impact. Perhaps we’ll be seeing that soon enough, eh?nnBTW, sorry about your car, but that is too damn funny! (yes, I know, I have a sick sense of humor)

Groundzeropdx

There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism you are correct.. so prove we landed on the moon. Oh I’m sorry skeptics stop there because THEY KNOW and SCIENCE says so.. GLOBAL WARMING be skeptic to that and you are like a HOLOCAUST DENIER. There is every reason to consider that alien life exists. There is also the idea the UFOS exist because they do until they are IFO’s. The word skeptic is the “s” word for asshole today. People who are skpetics already decide that something incredible is improbable and most want to runaway from proof of inifinite physics. They are into FINITE physics and are really quite joyless. Real skpetics have open minds, consider all possibilities no matter how incredible and eventually point out flaws or problems in the hypothesis. What happened with eth UFO analysis was dismissive and I don’t trust the data. I am perfectly willing to admit a hoax.. my problem is how this hoax — if it is a hoax has been determined.. how it wouldn’t allow for rebuttal and now has becoime accepted based on hearsay and opinion. NOT FACT. You do have sick send of humor .. so do I in fact I actually did a whole show about why poop is brown after I had the incident… I am doing an article about how faking such a thing as the UFO over the Dome of the Rock would have a very very serious motive… I do both angles.. and I try to be fair.. I am a fortean not a skeptic so I allow for a good story up until the story becomes too much.. so far the UFO story hasn’t fermented long enough. for some it has.. but not me… I am still trying to figure out motive. I have my ideas but they are only speculative.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDJWCM2M3G3CVPTO53XBSM26MY lucifursam

Well, ultimately, I guess it’s just a matter of how convinced you are by the video or not. I understand your criticism, though. Some went out of their way to dismiss it without much thought, and many were too keen to try to duplicate it as if that were proof that it was faked. I for one saw too many flaws and suspicious things to accept it as the real deal, but I suppose you could say that it’s still a mystery because no one has admitted to hoaxing it and no one has admitted to actually seeing anything (of course, you could also make the case that it’s a non-event based on that criteria, but I digress). Perhaps you’re right, and time will only tell what it was all about. Anyway, I do look forward to reading your article when you finish it, as mixing UFOs (real or fake) with religious beliefs is a scary thing, indeed.nnAs far as the moon landings go, you’re right, I can’t prove a thing. That’s why I’m skeptical of that, as well. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure what really happened (at least until “truth’s protective layers” are removed, anyway). In any case, I wasn’t alive during the Apollo missions, so it’s hard to place myself in that scenario, but then again, I’d say that’s ideal for a more objective viewpoint. After all, there’s always the potential to see things differently after the patriotic fervor is gone – case in point, 9/11. Now, I was alive when that happened, and we all know how much of a head trip that was! Most people still believe that hijacked airplanes flew into the buildings based on what they saw on the boob tube and despite the laws of (finite) physics. Anyway, as more and more people realize that the majority of what we call “history” is a lie, I think you will see a rise in skepticism. I mean, you can already see the backlash against global warming forming now. Most of the “denier” tags come from the mainstream media, politicians, and government-sponsored scientists, but if you talk to friends and relatives, or just strangers on the street, many aren’t buying it anymore. They’re becoming skeptical. They’re questioning, and I think that’s great. nnBTW, I also wanted to mention that I really enjoyed the “Dreaming of Indrid Cold” show you did. I just happened to be reading John Keel’s book at the same time, so that was weird synchronicity (no dreams of a grinning man, though).

Groundzeropdx

I respect you being a true skeptic keep being you — because we need people who criticallt think their way through this maze of craziness. I just need this story to ferment before I debunk it .. but it still is quite hard to debunk without being a little crafty.. we can however demonstrate a motive that is not based in making money– but making people believe that they saw divine interbentiuon or ‘signs’ — The Utah evidence still is a gaping hole in the intellectual honesty of the Hoax police.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YDJWCM2M3G3CVPTO53XBSM26MY lucifursam

Well, ultimately, I guess it’s just a matter of how convinced you are by the video or not. I understand your criticism, though. Some went out of their way to dismiss it without much thought, and many were too keen to try to duplicate it as if that were proof that it was faked. I for one saw too many flaws and suspicious things to accept it as the real deal, but I suppose you could say that it’s still a mystery because no one has admitted to hoaxing it and no one has admitted to actually seeing anything (of course, you could also make the case that it’s a non-event based on that criteria, but I digress). Perhaps you’re right, and time will only tell what it was all about. Anyway, I do look forward to reading your article when you finish it, as mixing UFOs (real or fake) with religious beliefs is a scary thing, indeed.nnAs far as the moon landings go, you’re right, I can’t prove a thing. That’s why I’m skeptical of that, as well. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure what really happened (at least until “truth’s protective layers” are removed, anyway). In any case, I wasn’t alive during the Apollo missions, so it’s hard to place myself in that scenario, but then again, I’d say that’s ideal for a more objective viewpoint. After all, there’s always the potential to see things differently after the patriotic fervor is gone – case in point, 9/11. Now, I was alive when that happened, and we all know how much of a head trip that was! Most people still believe that hijacked airplanes flew into the buildings based on what they saw on the boob tube and despite the laws of (finite) physics. Anyway, as more and more people realize that the majority of what we call “history” is a lie, I think you will see a rise in skepticism. I mean, you can already see the backlash against global warming forming now. Most of the “denier” tags come from the mainstream media, politicians, and government-sponsored scientists, but if you talk to friends and relatives, or just strangers on the street, many aren’t buying it anymore. They’re becoming skeptical. They’re questioning, and I think that’s great. nnBTW, I also wanted to mention that I really enjoyed the “Dreaming of Indrid Cold” show you did. I just happened to be reading John Keel’s book at the same time, so that was weird synchronicity (no dreams of a grinning man, though).

Groundzeropdx

Oh and by the way I went to ATS to see about the baby being dropped off at the Dome of the Rock and here is some “brilliant” analysis offered — While speaking of the UFO event prior to the baby incident we get this–n”I think this baby could very well be either the awaited Illuminati-Antichrist (in case UFO = hoax) or the 2nd comming of JC (in case UFO = real)”nnSo does this mean that we throw out all debate about it if this turns out to be Jesus — therefore the UFO is real — or if it is that Mahdi it is fake– I also would like to lay claim to discussing the Mahdi Idea first before any babies turned up noting the idea that Hoax or not this will generate this type of thought? Perhaps I am in the wrong field and that I have been wasting my time for 16 years? .nn

Clyde

This just in A BABY WAS FOUND ABANDONED at the DOME OF THE ROCK! LOL LOL

Groundzeropdx

Now that a number of people are claiming this sighting is a hoax. I want to prove that the skptics have blown their ability to be scientific. They have completely ignored the Utah Footage. It happened around the same time. it consited of red lights dropping of bright orbs. Similar to the UFO over Jerusalem. No one pointing out that this footage also had a few witnesses and had at least three videos covering it. There was no police investigations, no reactions other than from a few people and news coverage. So this would mean that the UFO conspiracy would span two continents in a matter of hours. No one — No skeptic has shown any intellectual honesty and include this evidence. NO ONE. That is why I question the skeptucs and their agenda.

Jfurfj

I was actually On-Air for this broadcast, I’m Blake, the caller with the Fortean Perspective, the Human Origin Theory.n

brerjohn_lives

I wish there were some real “on the ground” investigative journalists covering the details, such as whether there really IS such a weathercam, etc. The weathercam images seem to be pivotal.

brerjohn_lives

Oh, and by the way, I also believe there is an impact on reality BY the focus of the collective consciousness. As far as any narrative is concerned, that would mean something if it was the narrative that the Creator drapes everything upon. I think it strange that anyone would consider our existence as accidental, and if not accidental, then to what end? People argue the anthropic principle in some form, but that seems to be simply twisting everything around unnecessarily to me. The FACT that we are here, with minds that seem far too capable for mere survival, facing the universe and wondering WHY is, to me, sufficient to persuade me that there is indeed reason to believe in destiny, and that love is indeed something more than mere material response to material cause.

Ben 1987

The fourth horseman wasn’t mentioned in revelations until after the king james bibel was written.nnAlso, the way i interpret it, jesus never died, he was the embodiement of rebellion a metaphor for freedom, thats why in the koran it says he did not die. Christ-Jesus-Barrabus, He became christ when he was crucified. He was barrabus beforehand.nnsarpedon, the image of him being killed by hermes, and then look at jesus on the cross, see the two thieves standing next to sarpedon? That was 500b.c,nnAlso, sarpedon/jesus is being put to “death/sleep”. Get it? nnThey put us in mental death/sleep by eliminating the history of the colonised civilizations, to stop people from wanting freedom, and even knowing about the freedom they had.nnLook at the methods they used to colonise places, they first come in, they tell us colonisers that the natives are savage and we must change their ways, so then we bring them into the cities and teach them the “christian” way of life.nnThis is all still happening today.nn

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