There is about 9 seats surrounding a big box with two big dice in it. Each player has there own computer screen with a craps layout. Each player gets to "shoot" the dice but you push a button down which makes the dice bounce. Kinda like the board game trouble.

I would think it would be worth it to play these since you wouldn't have to tip the dealers. Also you could bet the "don't pass" and don't have to worry about others being mad at you. As nobody gets to see what your bets are.

At Station it is. Each company has their own policy on points. Some are full points, some partial, and some none. There was a major advantage play at a casino that paid you points on every roll including odds. They figured it out and removed all of the points. The full point ones now only pay points when the bet wins/loses. They also have varying degrees of odds allowed. The standard seems to be 5x the pass line bet, with 5x the dont bet for the other side.

At Station it is. Each company has their own policy on points. Some are full points, some partial, and some none. There was a major advantage play at a casino that paid you points on every roll including odds. They figured it out and removed all of the points. The full point ones now only pay points when the bet wins/loses. They also have varying degrees of odds allowed. The standard seems to be 5x the pass line bet, with 5x the dont bet for the other side.

I was wondering that too still a bit confused. I was wagering $200/roll for awhile and didn't seem to get that many points. So I am guessing they only pay you points when the bet wins or loses and you get paid according to what you bet... $4 play - 3 points?

There has to be some way of getting an edge on the "dice in a bubble" game. Every time those dice hit the plastic bubble or scuff the bubble when you "pop" them up, it has to create a bias set of dice I would think.

There has to be some way of getting an edge on the "dice in a bubble" game. Every time those dice hit the plastic bubble or scuff the bubble when you "pop" them up, it has to create a bias set of dice I would think.

Anyone else agree?

I would think it would have some affect on the dice. I think all games will be automated sooner than later. Trying to save every dime in casinos!!

There has to be some way of getting an edge on the "dice in a bubble" game. Every time those dice hit the plastic bubble or scuff the bubble when you "pop" them up, it has to create a bias set of dice I would think.

Anyone else agree?

you could say this about most casino games, regular craps, roulette, the money wheel. They all have moving parts and involve physical collisions.

I do not agree that this will inevitably result in bias to such a degree as to make the game exploitable.

you could say this about most casino games, regular craps, roulette, the money wheel. They all have moving parts and involve physical collisions.

I do not agree that this will inevitably result in bias to such a degree as to make the game exploitable.

If there is a such thing as dice control.... I'd imagine having the dice in a bubble that pop at the same rate each exact time could be predictable if there is any bias for which sides of the dice are facing.

If there is a such thing as dice control.... I'd imagine having the dice in a bubble that pop at the same rate each exact time could be predictable if there is any bias for which sides of the dice are facing.

The game is quite beatable, if you have the patience to sit there and listen to the canned sounds over and over.

The game is quite beatable, if you have the patience to sit there and listen to the canned sounds over and over.

I have found several casinos that pay full points, even on odds. I figure these places are paying 100-100.3% if you cannot establish any pattern. The amount depends on what the room pays bak and its odds. You may also improve your comp rating for theoreticals, but those would be hard to figure on their own.

I have seen some really strange things. For example, one time I was playing it and it threw a nine the same way (6,3) seven straight rolls. One time I walked up to the machine and the last 15 rolls included 7 7's, each after establishing a point. Needless to say, the machine was empty. One time I played the don't and did not throw a 7 for 37 straight rolls. I had to count after the 15th.

There are some odds streaks in it, but I guess if you bothered to count the dice at a real craps game you would find certain bizarre streaks if you cherry picked the results.