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Originally posted by Shinobi: * Imatates president bush *" Switzerland has constantly threatened our watch making and our cattle industrys! I have found that they are the cause of the mysterious cattle mutalations! I will be sending all our troops there and THIS WILL NOT STAND!!! "

i just heard about that one a few days ago, but it took forever to find an article on it. i think it's less that he doesn't do as many good things, and more that people are still concerned with mistakes that he's made. not that they should be ignored...but when he does something good i think it deserves as much publicity as when he does something bad. but that's hardly the case.//

Unbodied unsouled unheard unseenLet the gift be grown in the time to call our ownTruth is natural like a wind that blowsFollow the direction no matter where it goesLet the truth blow like a hurricane through me

republican or democrat?there is no such thing. both of these are just illusions to blind the american people of what is really going on. our vote doesn't count. there is no vote. it is all an illusion to keep us in an uproar instead of focusing on what the real problems are. bush is only following orders. he is just a figure head, as all other presidents before him and after him. he is doing as he is told. slowly and secretely are so-called rights are being taken away from us and we are moving to a police state.it is obvious that noone has rights any more. the hidden rulership of this country and maybe even the world, has allowed the events of 9-11 to occur to blind americans of their true intentions. with everyone in an uproar about these so-called terrorists, we are willing to give up certain freedoms in an attempt to stop terrorism. yet, the terrorism lies within. bush and the terrorists and oil!!! certain fundamental liberties have been stripped from us and soon, when we are all concerned about something trivial like janet jackson's breast instead of what is really going on, when our heads are turned, the entire world will be under one evil government, one extremely large police state, with no rights or freedoms of our own.many see what is going on but noone is doing anything. many disagree with the so-called war on terrorism and bush as being president. there was even an attempt to have him impeached but not enough movement by the american public. the majority of the american public didn't even have knowledge of this attempted impeachment because it was not portrayed on the mass media, with good reason, because it too is controlled by this hidden ruler/rulers. this country was built on freedoms and the need for independance and privacy. it is time to actually do something about our lives being taken from us instead of concerning ourselves with the trivial things that the media tells us is important. the media blinds the public with janet jackson's breast and other such topics to keep us occupied while our lives are being murdered.now i ask, who is going to do something? who is going to take back what the aluminate has stolen from us? who is going to stop the masons?probably noone.probably noone because we are all too busy convicting michael jackson of child molestation.probably noone because everyone is preoccupied and blinded....but something has to be done.....don't vote..what's the point..the next figure head is already lined up and our vote is just an illusion to make us think that we have some kind of control, which we don'tit's time to take back what is ours..

?Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for temporal safety deserve neither to be safe or free.?I think that quote is almost overused in today's society. But, you can't argue with it. It's simple, to the point, and true. While I can't argue with the fact that there are a few laws passed which I'm not entirely happy with (Patriot Act for one) I also can't complain that I don't realistically have enough freedom. I can go about my day, week, or year, doing what I want to do, and don't have to worry about being silenced or arrested. In fact, the only people being "silenced" or arrested are active protesters, who think they only way to get their message out is to inconvenience other people. Like those protesters in LA (or was it San Fran?) who stopped traffic. Who are they to do that? Just because they have a point to make they have to bother other people? I find protesting one of the most ignorant, lowest and most despicable forms of self expression of one's beliefs. When I hear that those people were arrested, y'know what I say? Good. They deserve it. Not, "Oh, it's The Man trying to keep us down again." There are far more ways to get your voice heard. But back to my main point. We continually batter the President and the government on this board. Yet we still retain our freedom of speech. And people still complain. Now obviously, we shouldn't be waiting until it's too late. If indeed we are heading towards a 1984-like time, it's not gonna happen overnight. You fight the small battles to win the war. Saying something like "we have no more freedom" is too broad (and might I add incorrect) a statement to have any bearing at all. I'm happy where my freedoms are. Mostly....Right now I'm not happy that I have to register my car, and get it inspected, and pay huge amounts of late fees on tickets...but such is life. Those laws weren't passed yesterday. But things like the DMCA are things which we should be fighting. Apart from those, the laws of this country have almost no bearing on my life in such a way to make me uncomfortable. Without laws though, this country would be an anarchy. And those people that would be taking your money wouldn't be the government, where at least some of it gets put back to the public in forms of schools, but it would be the drug dealers and thugs taking it for themselves. If you complain about freedom now, try it without the government. The government is there FOR the people, and if the people don't like it, they can choose to get rid of it. I also dont' believe the American people will let themselves succumb to a police state. Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that while there are things I'm not entirely happy with, I'd rather live here than anywhere else.

Anyway, seeing as how I just got back from a Shins concert last night (they rocked, backstage passes, wooo). I have this song which is stuck in my head from them called "So Says I" I suggest checking it out.

And that's that with that.

*EDIT*One more thing I meant to add and talk more about. In my opinion, I dont' think it's the government we have to worry about. The government will always be corrupt, but it will always be under our control. The good people end up being those that dont' want to be involved in politics...or those that criticize it. The real problem are corporations using their money to control the government. The RIAA and the MPAA are just the beginning. If you're worried about your freedom, don't blame the government, that won't help. Watch the giant conglomerates, they'll be the one's to take away your freedoms. They have money to gain from it.*EDIT*//

Unbodied unsouled unheard unseenLet the gift be grown in the time to call our ownTruth is natural like a wind that blowsFollow the direction no matter where it goesLet the truth blow like a hurricane through me

Fuck people, how about...Fuck Bush, what if he was president again? Are we gonna solve the middle east peace crisis now with bombs? Dood did what no one could, he's snorted crack, he's a puppet with strings, he backed up the crying couch ridden masses of wtc suffering people a majority of who had nothing to do with it, other then that "they had a friend who had a friend" or that "their an american". Htf is any of this different from WWII or fuckin anything, horrible shit happened, we killed ppl, ppl killed us, blably fuckin bla. I for one think if the people STOP PUSHING THIS TRASHY ASS SHIT, it'll go away, and we can all switch to topics of discussion that hold more validity, and much more broadening horizons then squabbles over stupid crap.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!Beware the Jubjub bird, and shunThe frumious Bandersnatch!"

Originally posted by Gollum:In fact, the only people being "silenced" or arrested are active protesters, who think they only way to get their message out is to inconvenience other people.

Remember the Boston tea party? They were active protesters to. If it weren't for people like that we would still be bowing to A King. There comes a time when the legal system either can't or won't do it's job, that's where active protesting comes in.

Seems like a democrat-dominated board here . It seems i've said this before a million times, but i'll say it again.

I thought Bush did the right thing after 9/11. The world was more than willing to help out and we went and kick the **** out of the taliban in Afghanistan. With Clinton, although i'd debate it, i think he might have done the same. Remember, he did go into Iraq in 1998 when Hussein was once again holding his chin up to the rest of the world, but we would never know.

But i do think Bush jumped the gun on the Iraq ordeal. Now i can't say this all the way, until the information he received becomes un-classifide in 25 or so years

Sorry, i am kinda ranting here, but this my opinion. I'm not angry, just frustrated at democrats(not any of you in particular) who continue to whine and bitch while not backing up with alternatives.

However, it is my firm opinion, that no matter whose right and wrong; this retarded fued will only be resolved once another candidate is elected. I don't like Kerry, so i'm voting Nader. At least he's addressed the truth here, and he wants to legalize certain ..items..