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English Suite IV, bar 42, right hand.<br><br>We all agree that the upper d minim is to be played with 5.<br>The question is which fingers to use in the 9 notes of the alto part:<br><br>A c B A G# A F# G# A<br><br>I started this quiz after I found more than one good fingering, but I am<br>surprised and pleased at the amount of different fingerings we now have!<br>So let me list the answers and then my own solutions. [...]
2019-01-20T22:19:05+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;6e68b69b.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4e7dd5fe.1901
Dear Claudio,<br><br>are you going to regale us with your fingerings of bar 42 - I don't think they have made it on list yet.. ?<br><br>If the LH takes the alto A's in the previous bar there's no reason (that I can see) why it shouldn't also complete the figure by taking the first A of 42, and c-b-a is then a new entry for the RH.<br>RH-thumb-phobics can simply do : cba g#af#g# a = 432 23 23 2 which corresponds entirely with the musical figures, 3- or 2-note scale fragments. [...]
2019-01-20T10:55:38-06:00Thomas Denthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4e7dd5fe.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution - d'Anglebert https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;6320085e.1901
Dennis Collins kindly sent me this message, with the intention of sharing it<br>here:<br><br>>> Claudio wrote: I am eager to know about other pre-F.Couperin examples of<br>passages that are only playable using finger substitution.<br><br>> Just came across this one: D'Anglebert, Chaconne de Galatée, last measure<br>but one, left hand.<br><https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6osg37qs1eo5dh/2019-01-18_214942.jpg?dl=0><br><br>Right on the spot Dennis! Heugel ed. by K. Gilbert, p. 107. [...]
2019-01-19T11:23:54+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;6320085e.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;41262343.1901
> David P wrote: Where does it say "When working out fingerings, the player<br>must avoid passing over or under the thumb at all costs?"<br>Or even, "If there is a choice between passing over or under the<br>thumb or passing over another finger, the later should always be preferred."<br><br>Dear David,<br><br>please read or re-read the fingerings by F. Couperin J.S. Bach milieu.<br>Indeed passing the thumb is avoided at all costs, even in passages where<br>passing it would yield a much "easier and natural" playing.<br>Obviously, it is so for us, not for them: their fingerings clearly show [...]
2019-01-18T20:14:22+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;41262343.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;965ad5fa.1901
At 16:41 18-01-19, Claudio wrote:<br><br>>And my point is, of course, that regardless of whether Bach passed thumbs as<br>>early as 1715 (and the evidence clearly points to the contrary),<br>>in my opinion there is no need to pass over- or under-the thumb at all to<br>>get a very comfortable fingering for this passage. [...]
2019-01-18T19:48:15+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;965ad5fa.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;d35318cb.1901
> Tilman wrote: English Suite IV, Prélude, alto bar 42 first and second<br>beat: 1-3-2-1 2-3-2-3<br>If these two sets of four sixteenths (as I think they should) are (both<br>technically and musically) considered as separate gestures or musical<br>shapes, the succession 1-2 in the middle shouldn't be seen as modern<br>thumb-passing anyway, no matter the "vitement". [...]
2019-01-18T16:41:00+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;d35318cb.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;a9557853.1901
English Suite IV, Prélude, alto bar 42 first and second beat: 1-3-2-1 2-3-2-3<br>If these two sets of four sixteenths (as I think they should) are (both technically and musically) considered as separate gestures or musical shapes, the succession 1-2 in the middle shouldn't be seen as modern thumb-passing anyway, no matter the "vitement". [...]
2019-01-18T01:12:33-06:00Tilman Skowroneckhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;a9557853.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;6141c1a8.1901
>> Claudio Wrote: Thanks David! Of course, the alto voice is the tricky<br>part. The fingering you suggest is very comfortable.<br>>(although, needless to say, is fully based on modern thumb-passing piano<br>>technique). ... 1431 3123 1.<br><br>> David Pickett wrote: I didnt expect to get the "L'art de toucher Award"<br>from you for it; but might one not argue that the existence of this passage,<br>and the ease with which the thumb-passing technique accommodates it, is<br>evidence that Bach might have used this fingering? :) [...]
2019-01-17T21:32:09+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;6141c1a8.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4893cbcf.1901
At 17:46 17-01-19, Claudio wrote:<br><br>> > David Pickett wrote: I finger the RH of b.42:<br>>Sopr: 5 on d2, then 432 3231.<br>>The alto voice: 1431 3123 1.<br>><br>>Thanks David! Of course, the alto voice is the tricky part.<br>>The fingering you suggest is very comfortable.<br>>(although, needless to say, is fully based on modern thumb-passing piano<br>>technique). [...]
2019-01-17T21:01:55+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4893cbcf.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4da68790.1901
>> Claudio wrote: English Suite IV ... Prélude ... bar ... 42...<br><br>> David Pickett wrote: I finger the RH of b.42:<br>Sopr: 5 on d2, then 432 3231.<br>The alto voice: 1431 3123 1.<br><br>Thanks David! Of course, the alto voice is the tricky part.<br>The fingering you suggest is very comfortable.<br>(although, needless to say, is fully based on modern thumb-passing piano<br>technique). [...]
2019-01-17T17:46:02+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4da68790.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;2b700125.1901
> >> At 16:36 17-01-19 Claudio wrote: English Suite IV, bars 40-41, right hand.<br><br>In bb. 40-41 I play the lower three voices in the left hand (I have big hands).<br><br>>>Now I wait for suggestions on the trickier part: the two upper voices in bar<br>>>42!<br><br>I finger the RH of b.42: Sopr: 5 on d2, then 432 3231. The alto<br>voice: 1431 3123 1. [...]
2019-01-17T17:32:41+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;2b700125.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;925867d0.1901
>> Claudio wrote: English Suite IV, bars 40-41, right hand.<br>>> in bar 40 the r.h. plays only the treble part,<br>>> while in bar 41 it plays the two upper parts.<br>>>How do you finger them (whether using modern or baroque fingering)?<br><br>> Tilman wrote: You mean the Prélude, not the Gigue I assume? [...]
2019-01-17T16:36:02+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;925867d0.1901Re: Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;c1ad331b.1901
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:46:15 +0100, J. Claudio Di Veroli <jclaudiv@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<br><br>>English Suite IV, bars 40-41, right hand.<br>>I assume (it can be played otherwise of course) that in bar 40 the r.h.<br>>plays only the treble part, while in bar 41 it plays the two upper parts.<br>><br>>How do you finger them (whether using modern or baroque fingering)?<br>><br>>Best<br>><br>>CDV [...]
2019-01-17T07:42:44-06:00Tilman Skowroneckhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;c1ad331b.1901Bach Fingering Quiz of the Day https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;bd92d43c.1901
English Suite IV, bars 40-41, right hand.<br>I assume (it can be played otherwise of course) that in bar 40 the r.h.<br>plays only the treble part, while in bar 41 it plays the two upper parts.<br><br>How do you finger them (whether using modern or baroque fingering)?<br><br>Best<br><br>CDV<br><br>http://harps.braybaroque.ie/<br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
2019-01-17T13:46:15+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;bd92d43c.1901Re: Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;cacb1fde.1901
Hi,<br><br>There doesn't seem any problem with these notes to me. They make a lot of<br>harmonic and melodic sense.<br>So the really good reason to consider them right is that they are very<br>clearly in the source and do not produce any obvious or glaring musical<br>problem. Actually there are musically good reasons *for* them, as opposed<br>to other possible 'corrected' notes. [...]
2019-01-13T13:24:29+01:00Thomas Denthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;cacb1fde.1901Re: Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;9c6cc230.1901
> At 18:18 12-01-19, Ibo wrote:<br>><br>> >The manuscript "Möllersche Handschrift" is available online at<br>> >https://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalSource_source_00000724<br>><br><br>> >PS:<br>> ><br>> *The ms. ought to be in Berlin: Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin ­ Preußischer<br>> Kulturbesitz, D-B Mus.ms.>40644 [*Möllersche Handschrift*]*<br>><br><br>Am Sa., 12. Jan. 2019 um 19:18 Uhr schrieb David Pickett <dmp@fugato.com>:<br><br>> *Indeed. Presumably it was moved during WW2 and I was wondering why it had<br>> not yet been returned.*<br>> [...]
2019-01-12T20:21:57+01:00Ibo Ortgieshttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;9c6cc230.1901Re: Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;364ee36c.1901
At 18:18 12-01-19, Ibo wrote:<br><br>>Happy New Year everybody!<br>><br>>The manuscript "Möllersche Handschrift" is available online at<br>>https://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalSource_source_00000724<br>><br>>The Böhm-Allamanda discussed by David, is to be found on page 23 v:<br>>https://www.bach-digital.de/rsc/viewer/BachDigitalSource_derivate_00034062/db_musms40644_page023v.jpg<br><br>Happy New Year, Ibo, and everyone else!<br><br>Thanks for that pointer. It is a neatly written<br>document that one could comfortably play from<br>directly, and the notes I refer to are quite<br>distinct. But it _is_ a copy, which therefore<br>allows for the possibility of the original being different. [...]
2019-01-12T19:18:04+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;364ee36c.1901Re: Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;9b4c346b.1901
Happy New Year everybody!<br><br>The manuscript "Möllersche Handschrift" is available online at<br>https://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalSource_source_00000724<br><br>The Böhm-Allamanda discussed by David, is to be found on page 23 v:<br>https://www.bach-digital.de/rsc/viewer/BachDigitalSource_derivate_00034062/db_musms40644_page023v.jpg<br><br>Best<br><br>Ibo<br><br>PS:<br>The ms. ought to be in Berlin:<br>Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin – Preußischer Kulturbesitz, D-B Mus.ms.<br>40644 [*Möllersche<br>Handschrift*]<br><br>* * * * * *<br><br>Am Sa., 12. Jan. 2019 um 16:04 Uhr schrieb David Pickett <dmp@fugato.com>: [...]
2019-01-12T18:18:51+01:00Ibo Ortgieshttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;9b4c346b.1901Re: Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;fe37dd93.1901
The Wolgast edition of Böhms's harpsichord (or<br>clavichord) pieces can be downloaded here:<br>https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/04853/ng9<br><br>David
2019-01-12T16:57:25+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;fe37dd93.1901Wrong Note Puzzle No.1 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1b8dadbf.1901
I may have brought this up here before; but if<br>so, it was a long time ago and we seem to have a<br>different group of active members than then.<br><br>In common with the Pachelbel Ciacona that was<br>brought to our attention recently, there seems to<br>be only one original source: Mus. ms. 40644, Die<br>Möllersche Handschrift, apparently now in the University Library at Tübingen. [...]
2019-01-12T16:03:52+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1b8dadbf.1901Re: Bob Price https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;768b55b4.1901
Jalfano might make inquiries about Bob Price via Linda Skernick, possibly Linda Skernick Feder, wife or significant other of Yves Feder, Zuckermann agent in mid-lower Connecticut. Linda, if I recall correctly, was good friends with Bob some forty years ago.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jalfano <jalfano56@GMAIL.COM><br>To: HPSCHD-L <HPSCHD-L@LIST.UIOWA.EDU><br>Sent: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:11<br>Subject: Re: Bob Price [...]
2019-01-10T13:17:48-05:00<>https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;768b55b4.1901Re: Bob Price https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;3513f181.1901
Paul Crowley has a web page Harpsichord Building and Repair on Statin<br>Island, NY<br>I'de like to know about Bob Price too. The instrument he built for me now<br>has a cracked sound board and I'm not sure of what to do about it unless I<br>win a lottery.<br><br>There was something magical about the address of 12 East 12th St, 12th<br>floor. Those were the days
2019-01-09T13:28:51-05:00Jalfanohttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;3513f181.1901Re: Thomas Ciul https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1dc6940.1901
Call him. The man has no internet.<br><br>On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Owen Daly Harpsichords wrote:<br><br>> Hi all:<br>><br>> A colleague is doing some repair work on a small piano made by Thomas Ciul, and has been seeking, without any luck, to make contact with him to get some information about the instrument. Glues, leathers, other things he may have used so that she can replicate his intentions to the best of her ability.<br>><br>> A reach-out to one of his two brothers, who are also in the early-keyboard enterprise, has gotten her nowhere.<br>><br>> If [...]
2019-01-08T18:04:49-08:00Vincent Hohttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1dc6940.1901Bob Price https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;fb9f03e6.1901
Dear friends,<br><br>Does anyone have information on Bob Price? He ran the Zuckerman shop at 33<br>Union Square West in the 70s and later with Paul Crowley on East 12th.<br>Thank you.<br><br>Sandy
2019-01-08T17:14:40-05:00Sandy Hackneyhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;fb9f03e6.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;32fc2c1e.1901
Hi colleagues<br><br>Just by the way :<br>In Buxtehude’s Passacaglia in d, there are also irregularities (every time he modulates : 3 bars, 2 bars etc)<br>Just an exemple, to say : nothing seems impossible, even in those times.<br>Best<br>Mg<br><br>Martin GESTER<br>+33 (0)661 79 47 75 (mob)
2019-01-08T21:36:06+01:00Martin GESTERhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;32fc2c1e.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;20bdee6f.1901
At 00:12 08-01-19, David Perry wrote:<br><br>>On 1/7/2019 10:05 AM, David Pickett wrote:<br>><br>>> going by the bass it seems to me that we<br>>> actually have a four, rather than eight bar<br>>> bass theme. Some of the variations may be<br>>> regarded as double length, or at least pairings.<br>>Yes, it's a four bar bass. In ten of the<br>>variations the first four bars are repeated<br>>exactly (sometimes with very small changes in<br>>order to get into the repetition or at the end<br>>to move into the next variation). In the other<br>>eleven the second four bars [...]
2019-01-08T16:12:08+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;20bdee6f.1901Thomas Ciul https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;46527daa.1901
Hi all:<br><br>A colleague is doing some repair work on a small piano made by Thomas Ciul, and has been seeking, without any luck, to make contact with him to get some information about the instrument. Glues, leathers, other things he may have used so that she can replicate his intentions to the best of her ability. [...]
2019-01-08T09:12:53-08:00Owen Daly Harpsichordshttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;46527daa.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4c5ec54e.1901
On 1/7/2019 9:50 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote:<br><br>> I imagine this [crooked tunes] has been going on for centuries all<br>> over, and I am sure it could have permeated into 'art' music at least<br>> a little bit.<br>Interesting connection! I'd be happier with this idea, though, if the<br>bass or theme itself were crooked. Having a theme and 20 variations<br>that are perfectly regular in length, with one "crooked" one stuck in in<br>the middle, seems odd.<br>> Sounds deliberate by Mr Pachelbel to me.<br>Could well be; we'll never know for certain, I suppose.
2019-01-07T18:20:17-05:00David J. Perryhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4c5ec54e.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1f9ebde6.1901
On 1/7/2019 10:05 AM, David Pickett wrote:<br><br>> going by the bass it seems to me that we actually have a four, rather<br>> than eight bar bass theme. Some of the variations may be regarded as<br>> double length, or at least pairings.<br>Yes, it's a four bar bass. In ten of the variations the first four bars<br>are repeated exactly (sometimes with very small changes in order to get<br>into the repetition or at the end to move into the next variation). In<br>the other eleven the second four bars have different material, although<br>in a style similar [...]
2019-01-07T18:12:16-05:00David J. Perryhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1f9ebde6.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4c75de72.1901
On 1/7/2019 6:31 AM, Douglas Amrine wrote:<br>> I also enjoy playing this piece on harpsichord, though there are a couple of difficult stretches.<br>It is easier on the organ in a few spots, but I don't have one in my<br>living room, so harpsichord it is. 8-)<br>> . . . it provides some relief from the overall sombre mood of the piece. The 'rule' of the piece is being broken, in more ways than one.<br>><br>> I see the structure of this section as 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 measures. The 3rd and 4th measure [...]
2019-01-07T17:32:27-05:00David J. Perryhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4c75de72.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;ad104ceb.1901
At 20:20 05-01-19, David Perry wrote:<br><br>>The theme and the variations in this piece (P.<br>>43 or T. 206) are eight bars long, four bars<br>>plus four bars.The bass is F - E flat - D flat -<br>>C, with (usually) harmonies of F minor, C minor,<br>>B flat (1^st inversion) and C7 respectively.<br><br>I have this only in Sandberger's DdTiB edition of 1901. [...]
2019-01-07T16:05:06+01:00David Picketthttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;ad104ceb.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4d1f7a51.1901
Hi David,<br><br>There's a long tradition in Irish Traditional Music as well as English and<br>particularly Québeqois where they use 'crooked tunes', in which the<br>expected number of bars or even notes is broken, say 6 or 10 instead of 8<br>in a tune section. Also common in American music traditions - sometimes a<br>crooked bar or bar and a half added. I imagine this has been going on for<br>centuries all over, and I am sure it could have permeated into 'art' music<br>(for lack of a better term) at least a little bit. I suppose we should look<br> [...]
2019-01-08T01:50:55+11:00Andrew Bernardhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;4d1f7a51.1901Re: Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;e8587cfd.1901
David, you have certainly pointed out something I've never noticed before, nor have any of my teachers. This was one of the first organ pieces I learned and I took it to various teachers over the years. I also enjoy playing this piece on harpsichord, though there are a couple of difficult stretches. [...]
2019-01-07T05:31:15-06:00Douglas Amrinehttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;e8587cfd.1901CD releases January 2019 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b51e99a8.1901
CD releases January 2019<br><br>http://www.musica-dei-donum.org/cd_releases.html
2019-01-07T08:10:29+01:00Johan van Veenhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b51e99a8.1901Re: Anthoni van Noordt, Tabulatuurboeck van psalmen en fantasyen https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;3f6c2de5.1901
It's in print<br>johan Brouwer<br><br>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>Van: Harpsichords and Related Topics [mailto:HPSCHD-L@LIST.UIOWA.EDU] Namens<br>Chris Vandekerkhove<br>Verzonden: zondag 6 januari 2019 15:42<br>Aan: HPSCHD-L@LIST.UIOWA.EDU<br>Onderwerp: Anthoni van Noordt, Tabulatuurboeck van psalmen en fantasyen<br><br>Dear members,<br><br>I'm looking for music from Anthoni van Noordt. In the series "Momumenta<br>musica Neerlandica", book 11 is titled "Anthoni van Noordt, Tabulatuurboeck<br>van psalmen en fantasyen". Does anyone know if this contains also music in<br>modern print or is it only the tabulature? [...]
2019-01-06T16:08:10+01:00Johan Brouwerhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;3f6c2de5.1901Anthoni van Noordt, Tabulatuurboeck van psalmen en fantasyen https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;60b3bacf.1901
Dear members,<br><br>I'm looking for music from Anthoni van Noordt. In the series "Momumenta<br>musica Neerlandica", book 11 is titled "Anthoni van Noordt, Tabulatuurboeck<br>van psalmen en fantasyen". Does anyone know if this contains also music in<br>modern print or is it only the tabulature?<br><br>Greetings,<br><br>Chris.
2019-01-06T15:42:08+01:00Chris Vandekerkhovehttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;60b3bacf.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b6887ca1.1901
This is another argument for pedals instead of substitution, valid for some<br>of the earlier-than-F.Couperin examples we have seen so far.<br><br>J.S. Bach in different pieces (notably in quite a few in the WTC) included<br>long bass notes, held over two or more bars, that can only be played with a<br>pedalboard. Interestingly, however, these notes are never found in the works<br>he marked specifically for the harpsichord (Clavieruebung): obviously he<br>assumed that on a harpsichord the great majority of players would not have a<br>pedalboard available. Conversely, in the WTC he did not have such a<br>limitation, because the [...]
2019-01-06T01:30:30+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b6887ca1.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;26e58cf1.1901
> Martin Gester wrote:<br>Jacques Boyvin, Premier Livre d'Orgue - Paris (1690) : last piece, Grand<br>Jeu. In many places, the left hand needs to shift 2 octaves lower while<br>holding a note in the middle.<br><br>Thanks Martin!<br><br>You have a point really! The left-hand stave shows how the player stops<br>holding a high note while starting a low note, while holding a middle note!<br>If the low notes were for the pedal, there would be no need to stop the<br>upper note, yet this is what we find in bars 8, 40 and 63. It looks<br>convincing indeed! [...]
2019-01-06T01:08:39+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;26e58cf1.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;43ef1857.1901
Hi colleagues<br><br>In case you are interested in organ literature (since almost all hps players were also organ players and the pure hps players are a kind of modern invention) :<br>just some hints :<br>have a look at :<br>Jacques Boyvin, Premier Livre d’Orgue – Paris (1690) : last piece, Grand Jeu. In many places, the left hand needs to shift 2 octaves lower while holding a note in the middle. [...]
2019-01-06T00:24:21+01:00Martin GESTERhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;43ef1857.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution - Frescobaldi 2 https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;64cb8ede.1901
> David Bedlow wrote:<br>> Also Frescobaldi instructs that long notes are to be arpeggiated and<br>restruck as necessary so as not to let the sound die away. It is possible to<br>change fingers when such notes are restruck - which is very similar to<br>substituting.<br><br>Thanks David for your detailed response!<br>Actually let me differ: there is no written-down prescription for<br>substituting prior to F. Couperin (1716), while there are sources for finger<br>restriking not only in the Frescobaldi text you mention, but also in<br>fingered scores, e.g. in contemporaneous Scheidt's Tabulatura Nova (1624),<br>albeit specific for repeated notes, [...]
2019-01-05T21:42:48+01:00J. Claudio Di Verolihttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;64cb8ede.1901Pachelbel Ciacona in F Minor -- missing measure? https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b21be615.1901
The theme and the variations in this piece (P. 43 or T. 206) are eight<br>bars long, four bars plus four bars.The bass is F - E flat - D flat - C,<br>with (usually) harmonies of F minor, C minor, B flat (1^st inversion)<br>and C7 respectively.<br><br>But var. 11 (beginning at measure 89 in some editions) is different; it<br>has four bars plus _three_.Here Pachelbel also altered the harmony to F<br>minor, C major, F minor, C7, followed by F minor, C major, and B flat/C7<br>[in one measure, not two].Having only seven bars seems strange to me [...]
2019-01-05T14:20:18-05:00David J. Perryhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;b21be615.1901Finger substitutions in Frescobaldi and Louis Couperin https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;bb5fcb10.1901
An observation in reply to David’s note about possible finger substitutions in Frescobaldi and Louis Couperin.<br><br>As for Frescobaldi, I’d have to look at the score, though I don’t remember any places where it became an issue. The restriking he mentions is of course only applicable in the Toccatas to the harpsichord, as a kind of second-line substitute for the organ, but its real application is with tied holds over a barline in which the beginning other stuff of the second measure makes a strong suspended dissonance. All easy-peasy on the organ, but to get the full effect of the [...]
2019-01-02T08:16:43-08:00Owen Daly Harpsichordshttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;bb5fcb10.1901Re: Bach's English Suites and Finger Substitution - Frescobaldi https://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1bd49c07.1901
J. Claudio Di Veroli on 29/12/2018 16:02:37 wrote<br><br>'Frescobaldi avoids substitution in two ways, either (a) failing to sustain notes that would require it, or (2) scoring intervals not larger than a sixth, where the long-held note can be fingered 2 while the upper and lower notes are fingered 1 and 5 (or vice versa), no substitution required.' [...]
2019-01-01T10:43:13+00:00David Bedlowhttps://list.uiowa.edu:443/scripts/wa.exe?A2=hpschd-l;1bd49c07.1901