And Rodgers is being taken for granted too! If Brady is in the conversation, A-Rod should be as well.
35 + 2 TDs, 8 INTs, best passer rating in the NFL.
He's left out because he was a robot last season.

Call me stupid or OCD, but if Peterson plays well and the Vikings make the playoffs I think I give it to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although I did think the point that Harvin was the MVP candidate at the midway point of the season was pretty good.

Peyton Manning is just... a god among men.

There is no way Manning is above Brady right now. Manning has 2 more TD's but 3 more ints. Brady beat Manning head to head and has played in a tougher division. The only win against a good team the Broncos have is at Ravens while the Patriots have beaten the Colts, Broncos and Texans.Not to mention Brady has played with a worse defense.

There is no way Manning is above Brady right now. Manning has 2 more TD's but 3 more ints. Brady beat Manning head to head and has played in a tougher division. The only win against a good team the Broncos have is at Ravens while the Patriots have beaten the Colts, Broncos and Texans.Not to mention Brady has played with a worse defense.

...Brady almost lost to the worst team in football. Largely because of his turnovers.

...Brady almost lost to the worst team in football. Largely because of his turnovers.

Meanwhile, Manning is leading the hottest team in the NFL right now.

If you havent watched the game the first one Int Ridley popped the ball up in the air and the safety was able to come down with it. I didn't see the second one but no it wasnt largely because of turnovers, it was largely because we played like **** in every facet of the game.

Regardless its Manning.

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I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

If you havent watched the game the first one Int Ridley popped the ball up in the air and the safety was able to come down with it. I didn't see the second one but no it wasnt largely because of turnovers, it was largely because we played like **** in every facet of the game.

Regardless its Manning.

Eh, I'm a believer that 90% of interceptions are the QB's fault. Tipped balls usually happen because the ball wasn't where it should be.

I was just making the point to the guy saying Brady is clearly over Manning. You can't have it both ways though. You can't be the most valuable player, who arguably is carrying your team, without also being accountable for the poor games and bad play. Brady played a big part in making it a close game.

Not saying he isn't a solid MVP choice, but Peterson and Manning are far ahead of him in my opinion.

When did INTs become the ultimate measure of a QBs value? Somehow throwing more than 1 INT in a game now automatically means a QB had a bad game. It's like there a system of using INTs to measure a QBs performance:

0 ints = good game
1 int = average game
2 or more = OMG QB was terriblez bad game!

When did INTs become the ultimate measure of a QBs value? Somehow throwing more than 1 INT in a game now automatically means a QB had a bad game. It's like there a system of using INTs to measure a QBs performance:

0 ints = good game
1 int = average game
2 or more = OMG QB was terriblez bad game!

If you average 2 INTs a game that is an absolutely terrible, can't get much worse, season for a QB. Averaging 1 INT a game isn't so bad, but still not good, and certainly not MVP level. So yeah, while you were saying that in jest, it is correct.

If you average 2 INTs a game that is an absolutely terrible, can't get much worse, season for a QB. Averaging 1 INT a game isn't so bad, but still not good, and certainly not MVP level. So yeah, while you were saying that in jest, it is correct.

What if that same QB averages 10 TDs per game?

A better way of judging a QBs performance is to throw out simple minded box score scouting and look at the overall game, not just the number in the INT column.

A quarterback has never thrown ten in a game so your what-if was ******* stupid. If a QB throws two picks a game he sucks.

And no QB in an MVP race throws 32 or more INTs in a year, which is besides the point that there's more to a QB than counting the INTs in a box score.

I watched the Broncos go on the road and beat Cinncy a few week ago, despite 2 ints by Manning. It was a good game in real football and a bad game in box score scouting fantasy football. Bad news for you is that the MVP is not a fantasy football award.

I wish there was a second half MVP trophy. Got bored and did some number crunching.

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Just to highlight the complete second half turnaround Romo has made, here's what his numbers look like in the second half. (games 9-16)

comp - att - yds comp% ypa lng td int sacks qb rating

194 293 2,291 66.2 7.82 85 16 3 20 103.8

Now look at league MVP candidate Peyton Manning in that same time frame

174 262 1,951 66.4 7.45 51 14 5 11 98.3

Oh, here's Tom Brady

170 281 2,135 60.5 7.60 83 16 5 12 95.7

Just for shits and giggles... Aaron Rodgers

138 215 1,765 64.2 8.21 72 14 4 18 103.7

Say what? Romo has been the best QB in the NFL in the second half. He's been the league MVP in the second half of the season, and he'd have to be in the discussion if not for the pretty bad first start.

...Brady almost lost to the worst team in football. Largely because of his turnovers.

Meanwhile, Manning is leading the hottest team in the NFL right now.

Maybe but Brady is having overall a better season. One game does not make Manning better. I can play that game to and ask why against the Chiefs the Broncos only had 17 points. Are you not forgetting that in the two previous games vs the Niners and Texans he played well and his team scored 34 and 42 points. The point of an offense is to score right so the Patriots are first in points scored in the NFL while having a much worse defense then the Broncos. Right now I have Peterson but if he does not get the rushing record Brady deserves it.

Eh, I'm a believer that 90% of interceptions are the QB's fault. Tipped balls usually happen because the ball wasn't where it should be.

I was just making the point to the guy saying Brady is clearly over Manning. You can't have it both ways though. You can't be the most valuable player, who arguably is carrying your team, without also being accountable for the poor games and bad play. Brady played a big part in making it a close game.

Not saying he isn't a solid MVP choice, but Peterson and Manning are far ahead of him in my opinion.

So why have a double standard and not hold Manning accountable like at the Bengals and Chiefs and Falcons where he had bad games?

So why have a double standard and not hold Manning accountable like at the Bengals and Chiefs and Falcons where he had bad games?

Bengals, he still managed to complete 77% of his passes, throw for 291 yards with a 8.31ypa, 3 TD's and yes, he had 2 picks, with a QB rating of over 100 and if it floats your boat, a QBR of 94.7.
Chiefs, I find it funny a bad game for Manning is a pretty damn good game. nearly 60% of his passes completed, 285 yards, 7.7ypa, 2 TD's and 1 INT. 90 QB rating, QBR of 71.3.
Falcons game is really the only game he has performed extremely poor in.

The only thing Brady really has on Manning is less interceptions. Everything else is the same, or in Manning's favor. Given the turnaround Manning has given the Broncos, I don't see how he isn't the MVP to be honest.

you know, and the fact that for the vast majority of the season he's been the entire patriots team. denver may not be fighting for a bye week without manning, but anyone who thinks they weren't still the best team in the afc west is kidding themselves.

peyton shouldn't get an mvp vote this year.

So you're saying the Broncos would still be winning the AFC West with Tebow back there, or Osweiller?