I agree. I've been rather bemused and disappointed by what appear to be ridiculous overreactions from all sides over the last couple of days. I've got a lot of time and respect for Paul but things seem to have spun out of control today in an unnesssecary way, and worse, leaving a distinctly unwelcoming taste to anyone who might want to comment critically on Cardiff developments. Which is just as valid as commenting positively, and in many ways more thought-provoking. Oh well.

Urbano was, intentionally or not, winding people up. Making the same comments on every thread, talking down to people, and not accepting that people may have a different opinion. It was this wind-up that spun everything into disarray. I don’t agree with the somewhat direct response towards him but he was the source. I would agree that he did create a wider debate, but the way he went about it was not ideal. Jantra will be missed, however.

Now, about this tower. It definitely looks more white than in the initial renders. I can’t decide whether I like it or not. I was hoping for a more glassy appearance.

Oh God give me a break!! - Yes what you said is true regarding people coming on here being able to offer alternative opinions etc.. etc.. but for some reason some people have a knack of winding people up and I'm not going to spend my life on here as a referee. I didn't want to lose 2 big contributors but it was their choice so what am I supposed to do? I do this forum because I have an interest in this city and its development - I'm not perfect you know!! If I am unable to police it satisfactorily enough for you then I suggest that you look elsewhere to discuss Cardiff developments. Oh and please stop telling me I oughta shut it down

and DaiB ..

You go back with this forum even further than Jantra and it is indeed regretful to lose these 'regulars' but honestly I despair at constant criticism and maybe my ability to pacify has run out! mind you it was both of their choices not mine.ps. if you leave I will close it down!!

We had years, YEARS of it on the old forum. From about 2004 I think. And our battles on CCMB were “gloves off” compared to on CWM. He has certainly mellowed quite a bit. i actually know him in real life, only as an acquaintance, but I’ve always been ultra reluctant to let him know exactly who I am. He’s pretty much the same in real life - a good laugh but he does go on and he has a real bee in his bonnet about the public sector.

I had a parody username called Jantwat, that Paul made me change to Jantard, on the old forum. He made himself a target too often with his bluster but like I’ve already said, he has mellowed.

I hope that he and URBANO return. He’s probably reading this so I hope that he sees that he is appreciated.

We had years, YEARS of it on the old forum. From about 2004 I think. And our battles on CCMB were “gloves off” compared to on CWM. He has certainly mellowed quite a bit. i actually know him in real life, only as an acquaintance, but I’ve always been ultra reluctant to let him know exactly who I am. He’s pretty much the same in real life - a good laugh but he does go on and he has a real bee in his bonnet about the public sector.

I had a parody username called Jantwat, that Paul made me change to Jantard, on the old forum. He made himself a target too often with his bluster but like I’ve already said, he has mellowed.

I hope that he and URBANO return. He’s probably reading this so I hope that he sees that he is appreciated.

Jantard LOL.

But agreed they were both great personalities of the forum and I really liked MOST of their arguments. (Contrary to people claiming I 'bullied' Urbano - lol!

I left here in a huff because of Zack and Brexit. I've decided to come back.

How are things around here these days?

Ash x

Seriously, this will pass. Everyone (even that idiot Zack) has something to contribute.

Cheers Ash! yes hopefully so

but I don't think we've seen the last of Zach!!!

anyway this shouldn't be a place of such stress - and anyone that has gone is always very welcome back here! but I think the PHP forum system dictates that new user names would be required for those that have requested termination of membership. For now I hope that's the end of all this aggro and we can concentrate on all and everything Cardiff!

Anyone who expected this to look exactly like the renders was kidding themselves. Cardiff will look better from a distance but these towers will not add much to our city’s architectural legacy at street level.