Yeah, I get the same as xxx. Apparently the newer formula works for many people, but a few of us get these negative self-effects that make it unusable. I haven't yet tried Chris' suggestion of boosting it with DHEAS.

(03-08-2012 1:01 PM)xxx Wrote: [ -> ]The Self effects are horrible . Tiredness, fatigue , mental exhaustion . It's unusable, practically kills off the mix I have on the day. I gave up using with the bottle slightly more than 3/4 full.

It's "horrible," eh, xxx? Well I hardly see how the difference of 2mg extra estratetraenol and less DHEAS than the sample would cause such a horrid reaction for you. If it's so aweful and terrible for you throw away the bottle and I'll give you a full refund - PM me your info and I'll return your money.

I suggest you not try fastburn if you are already so negative. Once you put the psychology in a person's mind that's it's soooo bad, your mind will always have you believe that, regardless of a minor change in composition and carrier.

I find it really strange that it was so bad, horrible, aweful, terrible for you, despite the enormously positive reviews for the same formula you have in your possession. I'm not sure what to say about that: I guess everyone is different, and to each their own?

Do yourself a favor xxx and stick with what works for YOU - being the unique individual that you are.

The point being this for members reading this: everyone reacts differently. If it is not feasible for you to return the bottle, and if you get any negative effect whatsoever from it, throw it away and I'll give you a refund. But don't repeat the same scenario with fastburn.

I'm getting used to not making a profit from glace - I just want people to be happy with the products I produce, or if not then try something else from someone else? I'm trying very, very hard, investing a lot of time and energy to keep everyone happy, and losing money with glace, because I actually care.

Should I just discontinue glace, end fastburn, problem solved, a lot less headache, a lot more free time, and little difference in profit either way? That way the minority can be indifferent instead of unhappy and ruin it for everyone else?

No you shouldn't give up. It's always the same. Some Pheromones don't work with some people. I have had many that did nothing for me. I hardly ever get self effects. However, some blends work well with most people. Your blends work very well for most people, and for me. I think you are a little too accommodating . People seem to love you for it but some also want to pay as little as they can and get it all for free if possible. Maybe you should start charging for shipping. Why bother having a business if you can't live off of it? I'd rather see you continue on since I like your products and you too as a Forum member. The fact that you are always trying to improve your products and want feedback good or bad says a lot about you. Don't take it personally that it doesn't work for some.

Well said oneeye. I would much rather see a return exchange fee for all exchanges and returns than an amazing product like Glace be retired to a shelf and talk of the days when alpha dream sold the holy Glace.

I love, love, LOVE glace. I almost can't stop myself from buying full bottles of both fastburn versions.

Don't let the 1% get you down Chris. , everyone knows Glace is AMAZING, and the 1-2% that it doesn't work for most likely had high expectations because of the spectacular reviews (and therefore a big letdown).

Just my 0.02. But it is very easy to say "NO!". I had to learn that lesson as a waiter, some people would ask for the most rediculous things (which would enrage the cooks as well as cost the restaurant money). Things really smoothed out when I got comfortable telling the customers "no", or charging extra when they wanted something special.

Your integrity and dedication don't go unnoticed brother. We truely appreciate the work you do.

I wouldn't dismiss the negative self effects that a few people get from the version with extra Est. I get them too! It's not to say the formula is bad, but for me I can't use it. I'm really not sure why the formula was ever changed to begin with, seeing as how the samples got such rave reviews.

The original formula with the addition of beta-androstanol gives me great self- and social-effects. I can't say why this should be the case, but there's no need to alienate people for sharing their truthful experiences.

I suggest that people who do get results from the slowburn Glace should leave everything as it is; people who don't get results from it should try the reverted formula; and Chris, you should create version numbers do people know what's what ;)

Yep. Keep the Glace. One of my favorites. The regular silkbase-version is the best social i have tried. Also it's great as a long-lasting buffer.

Improving your mixes is more of a long-term thing. You'll probably lose money short-term, but once the mixes are just right, you'll have a gradual increase in sales. Nevertheless apparently Glace won't work for everybody, like it does for me.

You may just postpone the Glace-testing and probably tinker with it again with some molecules from the blind-testing. I'm sure there's some awesome molecules to improve the current formulas!

Hell has no fury like certain members of this forum should I say "no!" - Honestly and for the record: some people here take advantage of the situation and take me for everything they can get, because they hold the threat of a negative review to me like a knife to my throat. That's called robbery.

Don't take advantage of generosity, or you will poison the well for everyone else here in record time.

(03-08-2012 2:04 PM)Alpha Dream Wrote: [ -> ]It's "horrible," eh, xxx? Well I hardly see how the difference of 2mg extra estratetraenol and less DHEAS than the sample would cause such a horrid reaction for you. If it's so aweful and terrible for you throw away the bottle and I'll give you a full refund - PM me your info and I'll return your money.

I suggest you not try fastburn if you are already so negative. Once you put the psychology in a person's mind that's it's soooo bad, your mind will always have you believe that, regardless of a minor change in composition and carrier.

I find it really strange that it was so bad, horrible, aweful, terrible for you, despite the enormously positive reviews for the same formula you have in your possession. I'm not sure what to say about that: I guess everyone is different, and to each their own?

Do yourself a favor xxx and stick with what works for YOU - being the unique individual that you are.

The point being this for members reading this: everyone reacts differently. If it is not feasible for you to return the bottle, and if you get any negative effect whatsoever from it, throw it away and I'll give you a refund. But don't repeat the same scenario with fastburn.

I'm getting used to not making a profit from glace - I just want people to be happy with the products I produce, or if not then try something else from someone else? I'm trying very, very hard, investing a lot of time and energy to keep everyone happy, and losing money with glace, because I actually care.

Should I just discontinue glace, end fastburn, problem solved, a lot less headache, a lot more free time, and little difference in profit either way? That way the minority can be indifferent instead of unhappy and ruin it for everyone else?

Chris @ Alpha

I'll take up the offer of a full refund. I'll send you a video of me emptying Glace into the toilet bowl to proof to you I'm not taking advantage of your refund. I never like to take advantage of anyone and I know what it is like to run a business.

That said i would like to point out that Only after Dbot mentioned his "tiredness" after using Glace did i realise that i'm not alone and subsequently Terry voiced out too. That's the "uniqueness" you're talking about.

Now do you expect customers to be getting the same effect after changes made to your original formula? I don't expect you to put Version numbers numbers on every single bottle like what Androtic does to it's Instant Line and MX after every minor tweak to their formula but at least let us know that we are buying something different.

I have commended your products when it works. You take in praise/positive remarks easily but when it comes to critical feedback you get easily upset. What's up with that?