after razor hill is complete chen and the other troll give 2 quests are they unrelated?

Originally Posted by caervek

Obviously this issue doesn't affect me however unlike some raiders I don't see the point in taking satisfaction in this injustice, it's wrong, just because it doesn't hurt me doesn't stop it being wrong, the player base should stand together when Blizzard do stupid shit like this not laugh at the ones being victimised.

I think blizzard believes they gave us enough content in pandaria itself to satisfy us for months on end.

Nevermind the fact there won't be any new end of expansion dungeons to kill time in, which lets face it, doing an heroic dungeon to try and get a piece of gear we want actually does manage to fill that void, yet this time we won't.

Unless they do something special with the final patch aside from just the raid, I'm honestly not seeing people feeling satisfied for months on end before the next expac.

I'd rather have Several bits of content to go through than to spam the same 2 to 3 goddamn dungeons for months. That may be just me but im tired of the ''last patch dungeons'' lul, it gets tireing. I absolubtly love that they are spreading content around. Not just here have 2 or 3 dungeons, see ya later. Not to mention it hinders the develpment of the Final raid. Overall this is my view, but this has been as much variety as I could ask, ofcourse unless you simply dont give things a try.
Also I think you're underestimateing how fast people get tired of the same old same old of ''here have free gear through this queu and stand in org''. Again just my view.

Anyway, lets try to not derail this :P, Im ready for this quest and 5.4 is chapeing up pretty awesome, developing a raid from patch to patch feels really cool. Also hopeing to see Rexxar or Saurfang pop up somewhere come 5.4!

See, I don't get this at all. When the Goblins met Thrall, he was like "You join Horde, now!". And Garrosh was like "Yes, yes whatever you say master." Sooo, why can't Thrall just slap his balls and be done with it?

See, I don't get this at all. When the Goblins met Thrall, he was like "You join Horde, now!". And Garrosh was like "Yes, yes whatever you say master." Sooo, why can't Thrall just slap his balls and be done with it?

Its a little thing called change.

I believe in wolfheart, we saw a change with Garrosh where he went from a character who doubted what he was doing, into becoming a character who completely believed he is what the horde needs and anything he did from then on would be justified, by Thrall and even by the dead father.

Because of that reason, he became a character who will never be told what he's doing is wrong or has the worst of intent, and so having Thrall walk into orgrimmar, tell garrosh its over and he needs to stop, you know full well Garrosh would be horrified his belief to be so shattered, he'd likely strike out at Thrall for saying it.

Thrall most likely knows that too, remember, he knew Grom and knows how a Garrosh is.

I'm still wondering why I'm forced to do this content as an Orc player.
It's almost like being forced to play Alliance in one of the scenarios. It disconnects me from my character. It totally breaks my immersion.

Now you know how Alliance players felt during Black Morass and Escape from Durnholde.

Duh, of course every aspect of WoW is coded, I've even looked into it.

And yes, I do in fact still play WoW, pretty much every day, and I highly enjoy it.

You had to look up something to find out wow is coded...

really..?

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Originally Posted by 7seti

Now you know how Alliance players felt during Black Morass and Escape from Durnholde.

No. no no no. You really can't compare the two. Black morass and escape from durnholde had to remain as human characters in those events, and horde players were turned to human to follow along with it.

These scenarios actually change you to help the opposing faction in an event where your character should be fighting against them.

i've more feeling after experiencing it that orgrimmar actual city will be turned in a sorta of isle of thunder with us taking district after district and then last the ragefire chasm where the actual raid is.

Originally Posted by caervek

Obviously this issue doesn't affect me however unlike some raiders I don't see the point in taking satisfaction in this injustice, it's wrong, just because it doesn't hurt me doesn't stop it being wrong, the player base should stand together when Blizzard do stupid shit like this not laugh at the ones being victimised.

i've more feeling after experiencing it that orgrimmar actual city will be turned in a sorta of isle of thunder with us taking district after district and then last the ragefire chasm where the actual raid is.

you know compared to something like icecrown citadel, black temple and the maelstrom, orgrimmar is.. pretty dam boring a place to have as a final raid.
here's hoping that cook something up, I;d like to see a changed orgrimmar thats been destroyed in places and gaping holes to show it as a full on war happening.

you know compared to something like icecrown citadel, black temple and the maelstrom, orgrimmar is.. pretty dam boring a place to have as a final raid.
here's hoping that cook something up, I;d like to see a changed orgrimmar thats been destroyed in places and gaping holes to show it as a full on war happening.

Over at SoL, someone said what if SoO would take place in zoomed in Org. That is, and Orgimmar that is as big as it is in lore, so if the front gates to the throne room take 10s to run, then in the raid it should be 1m or so. This, combined with some giant undergound caverns, would actually seem very large in scope.

And there needs to be more things like Grim Batol and DS. I want to walk in and see Kor'Kron fighting Org refugees, Horde rebels and Ally. I want their to be side quest to reclaim certain districts and save innocent Orcs, or maybe even a boss that involves a group of Ally who broke off and are sacking Org.

There are so many chances Blizzard has here to make this raid completely unique and immersive, even though its taking place in a place weve all been in. I just really hope they dont do another DS and drop the ball.

stop fishing for excuses, you sound as bad as the alliance whining about following Vol'jin.

Not fishing for excuses just pointing out bad plotlines

This whole arc has been a joke from the start and it only happened because people didnt take to garrosh prickly nature and that blizz needed a named baddie to end an expac that most was calling a joke when it was announced

I'm hoping to AT LEAST see Rexxar and Misha holding off a full squad of Kor'kron during SoO. But I want to see a lot of lore figures involved and lots of fighting in the background as we raid through Orgrimmar.