While these are true facts I just want to point out they are not updated, mygreatfest was changed to WWJC a couple of years ago, and the "iPhone 5" they are referring to is actually the unreleased (at the time of the article) iPhone 4S, when chronic said they had
5 user land exploits, remember how everyone thought they would jailbreak the 4S instantly but then remember last year how they admitted when iOS 5 was released they were all patched when it was released? So yes those are real facts and numbers, but with the huge success apple has had selling the 4S and the 5 compared to older iphone releases, a week after the iOS 6 jb is released I would like to see updated stats, as the number would likely be much lower I'm comparison due to the vast amounts of iPhones sold in the past couple of years

While these are true facts I just want to point out they are not updated, mygreatfest was changed to WWJC a couple of years ago, and the "iPhone 5" they are referring to is actually the unreleased (at the time of the article) iPhone 4S, when chronic said they had
5 user land exploits, remember how everyone thought they would jailbreak the 4S instantly but then remember last year how they admitted when iOS 5 was released they were all patched when it was released? So yes those are real facts and numbers, but with the huge success apple has had selling the 4S and the 5 compared to older iphone releases, a week after the iOS 6 jb is released I would like to see updated stats, as the number would likely be much lower I'm comparison due to the vast amounts of iPhones sold in the past couple of years

Yup, it is probably nearer the 6% figure right now, if not a little lower than that.

If only such a small amount 2-5% of iPhone users have a jailbroken device why does apple try so hard to keep the device locked down?!? Why not just let the 5% have it jailbroken. I mean it has to take a lot of time money development etc. to make a more secure iOS. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone's statements. Just putting my thoughts out there

So if a good majority of the people who have an iPhone for the jailbreak can't jailbreak anymore and decide blah apple since I can't have a jailbreak I'm going to android . That's even more money leaving apples pockets . The it's all about money thing doesn't make sense to me .

So if a good majority of the people who have an iPhone for the jailbreak can't jailbreak anymore and decide blah apple since I can't have a jailbreak I'm going to android . That's even more money leaving apples pockets . The it's all about money thing doesn't make sense to me .

Now, this is just my opinion:

Apple prolly isn't worried about people ditching their products if a jailbreak isn't released. I'm not even sure Apple cares that much about our community. The problem is 'control.' They want people to use the product they made the way they want us to use it.

If we buy their product but use non-Apple apps, then they lose a money on that. Granted, its not much money but it reaffirms why they wouldn't want an Open OS. Again...Control!!!

Apple prolly isn't worried about people ditching their products if a jailbreak isn't released. I'm not even sure Apple cares that much about our community. The problem is 'control.' They want people to use the product they made the way they want us to use it.

If we buy their product but use non-Apple apps, then they lose a money on that. Granted, its not much money but it reaffirms why they wouldn't want an Open OS. Again...Control!!!

Now that I completely agree with! But I must say how ridiculously stupid on their part lol

Now that I completely agree with! But I must say how ridiculously stupid on their part lol

Surprisingly, from a business perspective, it's actually incredibly smart, close off your OS to outsiders modifying it making it very hard to pirate (for those that do, I personally don't), Only make available what you decide, do not let other companies use your OS on their devices. Put all that together.
Your OS + Your device + controlled use = maximized profit.

Surprisingly, from a business perspective, it's actually incredibly smart, close off your OS to outsiders modifying it making it very hard to pirate (for those that do, I personally don't), Only make available what you decide, do not let other companies use your OS on their devices. Put all that together.
Your OS + Your device + controlled use = maximized profit.

I understand but really how much money is apple losing to pirated apps at an average of .99 a piece lol whatever I guess it's smarter to lose the sale of a 700$ phone over $20 worth of apps . It makes complete sense to me. Oh and more than likely those apps that are being pirated the pirate wouldn't have purchased in the first place. Locking it down isn't going to force them into buying the apps lol

Useless is right! A non-jailbroken iPhone doesn't make/receive calls. Doesn't send/receive email. Doesn't surf the web. Doesn't function as a GPS. Doesn't take pictures or video? Doesn't stream video. Doesn't txt. The list goes on and on. Oh wait, it does all of that.

I'm anxiously awaiting a jailbreak too because I miss Intelliscreenx X, MyWi and a few others, but I could really care less about theming and some of the other crap that just makes it look pretty and has zero impact on function. I'm really curious what jailbreaking brings to the table that takes an iPhone from "nearly useless" to whatever it is you think a JB iPhone is. Or do you just like to complain?

its not even the theme'ing, its having full control of your device that you dropped $600 on. Changing cpu speeds to save battery, creating shortcuts for simple toggles, the list goes on. When I say useless i mean when compared to other phones. Every phone can make calls and stuff give me a break.. Not to mention the battery is horrible on the i5. I can flash kernals on android just to get the sleep speeds the way I want, flash radios to improve signal in an area i dont get the greatest reception (my school) the list just continues not to mention having 4 columns is horrible. Theme'ing is the smallest part of jailbreaking/rooting for me. Its not even a complaint its a forum to voice my opinion on where the jailbreak is at. I know most people dont care but you do enough to reply.

All I'm saying is without a jailbreak I'd be bored with my iPhone already and everyone acts like pirated apps are what jailbreaking the iPhone is all about when there's a lot more to it than being able to pirate .99 apps

I understand but really how much money is apple losing to pirated apps at an average of .99 a piece lol whatever I guess it's smarter to lose the sale of a 700$ phone over $20 worth of apps . It makes complete sense to me. Oh and more than likely those apps that are being pirated the pirate wouldn't have purchased in the first place. Locking it down isn't going to force them into buying the apps lol

In my opinion they also lock it down for the reputation... Owning an os that many people can easily pirate is not a good reputation to have... But this is in addition to the market strategy and the profits ( in addition to all the other reasons apple have a closed os )

Originally Posted by fanboyfanboy

Surprisingly, from a business perspective, it's actually incredibly smart, close off your OS to outsiders modifying it making it very hard to pirate (for those that do, I personally don't), Only make available what you decide, do not let other companies use your OS on their devices. Put all that together.
Your OS + Your device + controlled use = maximized profit.

Actually you forgot: Patent every single thing and every single word and then u get the maximized profit

You're right, but if you want to have cool features and get more efficient use out of your idevice, then jail breaking is necessary.

I did in fact want cool features and more efficient use--I switched to Android. I'm always baffled when I read these posts with people crying over not being able to JB. like seriously, if the phone you have don't let you do what you want why do you hold onto it?

Sadly, most of you will never give Android or Windows Phone a fair chance. you're too obsessed with apple even though you admit that its frustratingly locked down and restricted.

Originally Posted by ferris419

All I'm saying is without a jailbreak I'd be bored with my iPhone already and everyone acts like pirated apps are what jailbreaking the iPhone is all about when there's a lot more to it than being able to pirate .99 apps

enlighten us then, why do YOU jailbreak?

Originally Posted by Chula

U r right but the jailbreak makes it a million times better and if u didn't believe that y r u in a jailbreak forum no offense to u

If you have to hack it to make it work better for you then maybe its time to look for something else don't you think?

If only such a small amount 2-5% of iPhone users have a jailbroken device why does apple try so hard to keep the device locked down?!? Why not just let the 5% have it jailbroken. I mean it has to take a lot of time money development etc. to make a more secure iOS. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone's statements. Just putting my thoughts out there

They keep the device locked down because an exploit is an exploit. Just think if someone had chosen to use the source code from jailbreak me to gain root access to your phone, instead of jailbreaking it. Apple could care less about jailbreakers. They, are, however concerned about vulnerabilities that can be used to do ANYTHING on your phone.

Yes, of course, the devs advise jailbreakers not to update. They want as many customers as possible to sell their jailbroken apps to, and as many hits as possible on cydia. It's a business decision. They must not be losing too many JBers so far or the new JB would have been out at 6.0.1. They seem to be holding the new JBs longer each time, probably because of the large JB (by numbers, not %) community, although it is obviously getting harder to JB. If Apple would invoke the SBSettings toggles, including remove background, I probably wouldn't bother JBing even though I also used MyWi on my 4S.

The people that make the jailbreaks don't benefit monetarily. None of them even sell product on cydia and the jailbreaks are free.

Originally Posted by Chula

U r right but the jailbreak makes it a million times better and if u didn't believe that y r u in a jailbreak forum no offense to u

Missed where I said jail breaking had no benefits. My point is, buy an iPhone because you love the iPhone. If you only buy an iPhone because of a jailbreak why would you not buy an android?

Let me guess you feel it doesn't run as smooth and as fluid? Well that's because it's open. That's because android is an OS iPhone is hardware. When an OS is built to work with specific hardware it will always run better.

Additionally ---

Apple will never open up the OS because you start giving access to tweaking core services and one tweak breaks a core service. Now apple has to staff it's "genius" bar to tell you "the software you installed broke this, you will have to restore"

Also opening it up for the masses only provokes malicious activity.

Now having said all that. Do I miss a jailbreak? Yes. Do I wish iOS was more open? Most definitely!!! Do I need to have a jailbreak? Nope.

I use apple products because they run and feel better than any competition in my eyes. Even with the lack of features and customization, it's just flat better

The people that make the jailbreaks don't benefit monetarily. None of them even sell product on cydia and the jailbreaks are free.

Missed where I said jail breaking had no benefits. My point is, buy an iPhone because you love the iPhone. If you only buy an iPhone because of a jailbreak why would you not buy an android?

Let me guess you feel it doesn't run as smooth and as fluid? Well that's because it's open. That's because android is an OS iPhone is hardware. When an OS is built to work with specific hardware it will always run better.

Additionally ---

Apple will never open up the OS because you start giving access to tweaking core services and one tweak breaks a core service. Now apple has to staff it's "genius" bar to tell you "the software you installed broke this, you will have to restore"

Also opening it up for the masses only provokes malicious activity.

Now having said all that. Do I miss a jailbreak? Yes. Do I wish iOS was more open? Most definitely!!! Do I need to have a jailbreak? Nope.

I use apple products because they run and feel better than any competition in my eyes. Even with the lack of features and customization, it's just flat better

I completely agree with you

Originally Posted by ferris419

I understand but really how much money is apple losing to pirated apps at an average of .99 a piece lol whatever I guess it's smarter to lose the sale of a 700$ phone over $20 worth of apps . It makes complete sense to me. Oh and more than likely those apps that are being pirated the pirate wouldn't have purchased in the first place. Locking it down isn't going to force them into buying the apps lol

Now see that's the thing, everyone's like "well it's only $.99 they don't care about that." Look how much the devs would get if everyone donated $1 to a jailbreak, I remember when absinthe was released the first weekend saw like 900,000+ devices jailbroken. That's $900,00+. Now you take say 50% away for those who don't pirate, but those who do generally pirate more than once, so say at minimum you have 450,000 people pirate 6 games at $.99 (even though games are becoming more and more expensive we'll use $.99) you're talking about $2.7 million. Which apples take is 30%. You're talking bout serious amounts of revenue they just lost out on. And you can bet they wouldn't be happy. So yes it does matter when games get pirated, especially with apple having now 40 billion + downloads they do not want to lose any revenue from possibly their biggest revenue generator.