Achronos, I want to say that I am so sorry my brother, 'hugs' this has to be especially disturbing to you seeing how you live in the place that this nightmare has happened and how close your dear friend has come to this horror and the continuing trauma of the event. God be with you and with all those that are distressed and grieving over this, may the Lord give eternal rest to those who have reposed. May the Lord give quick recovery to health for those who are in the hospitals, Lord have mercy!

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To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

Only pray for me, that God would give me both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but truly will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one. St.Ignatius of Antioch.Epistle to the Romans.

Yeah I've been to that exact movie theater years ago. If I didn't work late that night and if he didn't work at 6AM the next day, I'm sure we would have gotten a group together of friends to go see it (all whom are in Aurora and would have went to that exact theater). I just found out today my friend Ihsan was there that night with a group of people, that is just nuts. He's fine though.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

I wonder why I haven't ever heard about such things in Poland and in the USA they happen every two months. Any ideas?

Poland is a communist country under martial law. That's why. If you had freedom like the Americans have...

Freedom to what kill each other?

This deserves a second and also repeated so therefore third: Lord have His mercy Lord have His Mercy. The first for the 12 deaths and 59 people who were shot. The second for how seemingly hopeless America feels sometimes

stay blessed,habte selassie

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"Yet stand aloof from stupid questionings and geneologies and strifes and fightings about law, for they are without benefit and vain." Titus 3:10

No he was done with graduate school and doing his PhD until he withdrew a month ago.

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DENVER -- Sources close to the investigation of the Aurora theater shootings told the Call7 Investigators that the Aurora Police Department received an electronic communication that threatened violence if James Holmes wasn't released.

Holmes is accused in the slayings of 12 people and the wounding of 58 others at an Aurora theater early Friday.

The communication was traced through an internet protocol number to a router in Aurora. The person who lives at the address is an acquaintance of James Holmes through their program at the Anschutz Medical Campus, according to the sources.

Investigators are uncertain whether the person at the address actually sent the electronic communication or if someone routed it through that address.

Sources said they began looking for the fellow student Friday and they found him Saturday afternoon.

He has been interviewed. It was still unclear Saturday night whether the person actually sent the threat. But, investigators in interviewing him have gained more information about James Holmes, the sources said.

Vehicles should be banned! The speed limit in America varies from 30mph up to 70mph but manufacturers make cars and trucks that are capable of going over 130mph. How many accidents could be prevented if these dangerous vehicles were banned?!!

Alchohol should be banned! Drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning, rapes and other maladaptive endeavors are all attributed to alcholhol!!!

Metal should be banned! If we banned metal, we wouldn't need to worry about guns, knives, swords, bullets, etc...!!!

Banana peels should be banned! How many people have been seriously injured due to watching cartoons that use this malicious trick?!!

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"The Scots-Irish; Brewed in Scotland, bottled in Ireland, uncorked in America." ~Scots-Irish saying

But I think people, out of the goodness of their hearts would not choose violence. I'm not that cynical about human nature.

I understand that people choose to do bad things all the time, but I agree that most people, at their core, are good. We call it the image of God sometimes. It just gets a little smudged and the likeness to God is lost, that's where the trouble comes in. Unfortunately the process starts as soon as we're born.

Vehicles should be banned! The speed limit in America varies from 30mph up to 70mph but manufacturers make cars and trucks that are capable of going over 130mph. How many accidents could be prevented if these dangerous vehicles were banned?!!

Alchohol should be banned! Drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning, rapes and other maladaptive endeavors are all attributed to alcholhol!!!

Metal should be banned! If we banned metal, we wouldn't need to worry about guns, knives, swords, bullets, etc...!!!

Banana peels should be banned! How many people have been seriously injured due to watching cartoons that use this malicious trick?!!

All this things have other, to be frankly, main usage that do not require killing people. That cannot be said about guns.

I'm yet to see a man killing 12 people with a banana skin*.

My uncle slipped on a banana skin and spend 6 months in an orthopedic corset afterwards. To be frankly I wouldn't mind if bananas were banned. I have heartburn after them.

Vehicles should be banned! The speed limit in America varies from 30mph up to 70mph but manufacturers make cars and trucks that are capable of going over 130mph. How many accidents could be prevented if these dangerous vehicles were banned?!!

Alchohol should be banned! Drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning, rapes and other maladaptive endeavors are all attributed to alcholhol!!!

Metal should be banned! If we banned metal, we wouldn't need to worry about guns, knives, swords, bullets, etc...!!!

Banana peels should be banned! How many people have been seriously injured due to watching cartoons that use this malicious trick?!!

My uncle slipped on a banana skin and spend 6 months in an orthopedic corset afterwards. To be frankly I wouldn't mind if bananas were banned. I have heartburn after them.

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"The Scots-Irish; Brewed in Scotland, bottled in Ireland, uncorked in America." ~Scots-Irish saying

Vehicles should be banned! The speed limit in America varies from 30mph up to 70mph but manufacturers make cars and trucks that are capable of going over 130mph. How many accidents could be prevented if these dangerous vehicles were banned?!!

Alchohol should be banned! Drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning, rapes and other maladaptive endeavors are all attributed to alcholhol!!!

Metal should be banned! If we banned metal, we wouldn't need to worry about guns, knives, swords, bullets, etc...!!!

Banana peels should be banned! How many people have been seriously injured due to watching cartoons that use this malicious trick?!!

All this things have other, to be frankly, main usage that do not require killing people. That cannot be said about guns.

I'm yet to see a man killing 12 people with a banana skin*.

My uncle slipped on a banana skin and spend 6 months in an orthopedic corset afterwards. To be frankly I wouldn't mind if bananas were banned. I have heartburn after them.

You live in the wrong part of the world. The lethal banana peel maneuver is a special technique reserved for the most advanced martial arts practitioners.

Vehicles should be banned! The speed limit in America varies from 30mph up to 70mph but manufacturers make cars and trucks that are capable of going over 130mph. How many accidents could be prevented if these dangerous vehicles were banned?!!

Alchohol should be banned! Drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning, rapes and other maladaptive endeavors are all attributed to alcholhol!!!

Metal should be banned! If we banned metal, we wouldn't need to worry about guns, knives, swords, bullets, etc...!!!

Banana peels should be banned! How many people have been seriously injured due to watching cartoons that use this malicious trick?!!

All this things have other, to be frankly, main usage that do not require killing people. That cannot be said about guns.

I'm yet to see a man killing 12 people with a banana skin*.

My uncle slipped on a banana skin and spend 6 months in an orthopedic corset afterwards. To be frankly I wouldn't mind if bananas were banned. I have heartburn after them.

You live in the wrong part of the world. The lethal banana peel maneuver is a special technique reserved for the most advanced martial arts practitioners.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

While I appreciate the rhetorical excesses of Punch's comment and like that sorta internetz, there is quite a gap between having sex and killing another human in Genesis.

I have read it.

So did I. Seems like they learned to screw in verse one of chapter four, and Able was dead by the end of verse eight. At least that is how I remember it. Not that big of a gap, if you ask me. I will grant you that screwing was probably not the FIRST thing we learned. We already had disobeying God and telling lies down pretty good before that. I'm sorry, but if there was much good done on our part in the first four chapters of Genesis, I missed it.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

Anyway I would like to say this, and I'm afraid it will come off as too sanctimonious but I am praying for James, and I do hope that he will come to repentence for his actions. If I was a victim or affected by this tragedy personally I would go and visit him. An act of love surely overrides any sort of retribution that many would like to see. Did not Christ dine with the sinners? Did not Christ also ask to pray for them?

What happened in Aurora was a tragedy, make no mistake about it, but I refuse to want any harm done to him. Lord have mercy on him and on all those that have been and will continually affected by what happend.

BTW I believe Asteriktos pretty much summed up what I was going to say. And I also think we have "evolved" quite a bit from the time of the Fall. Maybe it is a battle in all of us between killing in not killing and I sure have felt many of those emotions in my life. Bah.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

Anyway I would like to say this, and I'm afraid it will come off as too sanctimonious but I am praying for James, and I do hope that he will come to repentence for his actions. If I was a victim or affected by this tragedy personally I would go and visit him. An act of love surely overrides any sort of retribution that many would like to see. Did not Christ dine with the sinners? Did not Christ also ask to pray for them?

What happened in Aurora was a tragedy, make no mistake about it, but I refuse to want any harm done to him. Lord have mercy on him and on all those that have been and will continually affected by what happend.

BTW I believe Asteriktos pretty much summed up what I was going to say. And I also think we have "evolved" quite a bit from the time of the Fall. Maybe it is a battle in all of us between killing in not killing and I sure have felt many of those emotions in my life. Bah.

I don’t think it is sanctimonious in any way. Pope John Paul II did this very thing with the man who tried to kill him and we know how that turned out. I hope this is how we all would act, but I realize it would be one of the most difficult things to do in this life. I'm not sure I would be able to do this.

While I appreciate the rhetorical excesses of Punch's comment and like that sorta internetz, there is quite a gap between having sex and killing another human in Genesis.

I have read it.

So did I. Seems like they learned to screw in verse one of chapter four, and Able was dead by the end of verse eight. At least that is how I remember it. Not that big of a gap, if you ask me. I will grant you that screwing was probably not the FIRST thing we learned. We already had disobeying God and telling lies down pretty good before that. I'm sorry, but if there was much good done on our part in the first four chapters of Genesis, I missed it.

You have civilization which shows its discontents in that killing:

Social structure.Agriculture and Animal Husbandry (which would include the enormous background knowledge which go into both).Liturgical worship of God.

These three jump out from memory.

But I wish I could comment on the more interesting aspects of this spectacle which have nothing to do with gun control, the psyche of killers, etc.

But alas responsibility calls.

EDIT: Again your rhetorical point is well taken. And well put.

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Anyway I would like to say this, and I'm afraid it will come off as too sanctimonious but I am praying for James, and I do hope that he will come to repentence for his actions. If I was a victim or affected by this tragedy personally I would go and visit him. An act of love surely overrides any sort of retribution that many would like to see. Did not Christ dine with the sinners? Did not Christ also ask to pray for them?

What happened in Aurora was a tragedy, make no mistake about it, but I refuse to want any harm done to him. Lord have mercy on him and on all those that have been and will continually affected by what happend.

BTW I believe Asteriktos pretty much summed up what I was going to say. And I also think we have "evolved" quite a bit from the time of the Fall. Maybe it is a battle in all of us between killing in not killing and I sure have felt many of those emotions in my life. Bah.

I don’t think it is sanctimonious in any way. Pope John Paul II did this very thing with the man who tried to kill him and we know how that turned out. I hope this is how we all would act, but I realize it would be one of the most difficult things to do in this life. I'm not sure I would be able to do this.

And I wouldn't expect anyone to do this and I know how difficult this is.

I bring this up because my co-worker and I were discussing it and how he knew the 6-year who was killed. He wants all sorts of awful things to happen against James, but for what some sort of satisfaction? How is that satisfying? I don't know people are so eager for vegenence but an eye for eye and all that...

EDIT: Wow that is truly remarkable about that Pope John Paul II assassination attempt. I must say my image of him has been negative, but I have enormous respect for him now and his attempted killer as will. What a story, truly.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

Apparently Holmes painted his hair red-orange, calls himself the Joker, and spends his time spitting at anyone who comes near his cell. Other inmates are reportedly calling him child-killer and talking openly about killing him.

An insanity plea would be hard for the prosecution to counter, I think.

An insanity plea would be hard for the prosecution to counter, I think.

Insanity pleas seldom work, especially with as much preparation as he placed into his end goal. I predict a minimum sentence of life in prison.

It's a little tougher for prosecutors in Colorado. If memory serves prosecutors in Colorado cannot use professional psychiatrists. Further, the burden of proof in Colorado is upon the prosecution to disprove insanity once that plea is entered. On the other hand, as you noted, the rational preparation would go against the defendant. But he would have a better chance in Colorado than elsewhere, I think.

If anything we are looking at next year until the final verdict is reached? Because once the insanity plea is dismissed, which I have no idea how long that takes, then the process of the death penalty begins? Which would take even longer considering how ardous the process is.

I'd be very interesting to see how the defense works this out.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”