I just bought a (used) 1989 Ford LTD Crown Victoria LX with the 302 CID EFI 5.0 (WINDSOR?) engine and I am desperately looking for these engine specifications : bore and stroke, compression ratio, maximum RPM, maximum torque and horsepower (or kW)?
These informations are pretty easy to find for the previous versions (but which are carburated), and for the later models (but 4.6l engines).
Thanks for Your help!

Tiggie

03-16-2007, 04:27 PM

It's SEFI - Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection. CFI is on the '83-'85 CV's looks similar to a carb at a glance. There is no mistaking SEFI for a carb.

Hi, Mike. Welcome to GMN! The bore and stroke for the 302 (and yes, it is a Windsor engine) are 4" and 3", respectively. Compression ratio is 8.9:1, horsepower is 150 HP@3200 RPM (160@3400 with dual exhaust), and torque is 270@2000 RPM (280@2200 with dual exhaust). Maximum RPM is going to be in the low 4000 RPM range because of the transmission governor. That seems low, I know, but with the way these engines are cammed, and with the way the exhaust system, intake manifold, and heads/ports are designed, they run out of steam pretty quick if you try to run them much faster than that anyway.

Hope this helps, and once again, welcome to GMN!

Woops--I see Tiggie got to this just a couple minutes before I did.

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 04:34 PM

Thanks for the info,
it's a single exhaust, so it should be 150hp@3200rpm.
On the car registration it says 168 kW,(approx 220HP), is that compatible with the 150@3200 or a mistake ?
Regards
mfmagicmike

Nathan in MI

03-16-2007, 04:42 PM

220 HP is more like an HO engine, and your car wouldn't have that. Sounds like a mistake to me.

Tiggie

03-16-2007, 04:42 PM

That has to be a mistake. The DMV isn't known to be the exact resource when it comes to correctness. I usually have to tell them the fees for renewal when I go :).

EDIT: Ooo Nathan got it first this time!

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 04:56 PM

I bought this car in Germany in January

Canadian made, California driven, exported to Germany and now it is in Paris, France, with proud 230 000 miles (working fine!).
French officials are very tough on US cars and in order to get a license plate, I have to submit it to numerous inspections, because nothing on/in/under the car meets european security norms (it certainly does, but Ford never imported this car).
Thus I have to make a complete and accurate description (in french of course) of the engine, transmission (with ratios), differential, brakes...
Therefore Your information is very important, so let me thank You again (and for the welcome too.

Nathan in MI

03-16-2007, 05:03 PM

You're welcome, Mike. let us know if we can help you out with any other stats, or any other questions you might have about it.

DuceAnAHalf

03-16-2007, 06:48 PM

any chance of some pictures of your car in front of maybe the Eiffel tower, arc de triumph, or maybe the Louvre?

RugerP97DC

03-16-2007, 07:07 PM

Dat would be da BOMB!!!!

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 07:22 PM

Here it is,
Not by the Eiffel tower, only Rhein-side (Freiburg, Germany), but as soon as I get the license plates, I will post pictures from downtown Paris.4807

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Blaze86Vic

03-16-2007, 07:22 PM

Sweet! A European Panther!

Welcome to GMN! And again if you need any info just let us know and we'll get back to you asap! As I am sure you are aware it is very rare to see these cars in other continents.

DuceAnAHalf

03-16-2007, 07:28 PM

i would not think the car would be bad to drive in Germany, but how is it to drive in Paris with those narrow streets?

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 07:49 PM

Driving in Paris is possible, but You need to look out were You re going. Big boulevards are OK and a car like this one makes everybody stop (out of respect for this american beauty of course). By the way a real eyecatcher.

PS for blaze86vic: must be the only Ford LTD Crown Vic in this condition in France, probably about 10 in France at most

Those ratios you have for the AOD are correct. I don't know what the reverse ratio is, but someone around here probably does.

Beautiful car, by the way! I love black panthers! :drool:

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 08:19 PM

Has anyone experience with hyperlubricants in old 5.0 engines?

packman

03-16-2007, 08:23 PM

Welcome to GMN and might I add, nice CV!!!! I have this movie called Rendevouz; freakin awesome; but I wonder if the streets in Paris are still like that?
Packman

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 08:35 PM

Hi Packman
I don t know the movie You mentioned, but I guess that streets around here are pretty much like You ve seen
mfmagicmike

Blaze86Vic

03-16-2007, 08:49 PM

Your rear gear (final drive) ratio can be one of two things most likely. Either 2.73 or 3.08. Almost undoubtedly it is an open differential (not posi). The rear is an 8.8" Ford rear with 11" drum brakes. There should be a metal tag located on the differential cover at the rear of the rear axle. This has the code for all the info on what is inside (ie gear, posi)

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 09:09 PM

I checked the tag You mentionned but what is written on it doesn t match the 1989 rear wheel drive Ford specifications book. It says V014 D 08 88 9 G24
Off course the differential has an axle ratio of 3.08 (not a traction-lok), code Y.
Do You know were the engine number is located (front of the engine or on the left side)?
thanks
mfmagicmike

OVERKILL

03-16-2007, 09:19 PM

On the HO engines, there was a sticker on the passenger-side valve cover with the number on it. I don't know where it is in the lopo engines, possibly the same spot. I could go check my lopo covers if necessary, as they are in the garage............

mfmagicmike

03-16-2007, 09:32 PM

I have a number on the engine behind the distributor cap and another on the left passenger valve, must be one of these two
mfmagicmike

OVERKILL

03-16-2007, 09:42 PM

The one on the valve cover, is it a sticker of sorts? If so, that's the one.

88Vic

03-17-2007, 12:31 AM

Your rear gear (final drive) ratio can be one of two things most likely. Either 2.73 or 3.08. Almost undoubtedly it is an open differential (not posi). The rear is an 8.8" Ford rear with 11" drum brakes. There should be a metal tag located on the differential cover at the rear of the rear axle. This has the code for all the info on what is inside (ie gear, posi)
Wouldn't his rear drums only be 10", because I thought only PI models got the 11" rear brakes?

Oh, and welcome to GMN mang, the back vinyl on the black body looks awesome.

Tiggie

03-17-2007, 12:43 AM

Wouldn't his rear drums only be 10", because I thought only PI models got the 11" rear brakes?

Yeah, he'd have 10in drums. Unless he has a Class III towing package, but then he would have had dual exhaust.

Blaze86Vic

03-17-2007, 01:02 AM

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about the 10" stuff since I've never had it. My bad.

gadget73

03-17-2007, 01:57 AM

Nice car! I see you don't have those amber turn signal lenses on the back. Did you get an exception to that, or have they not been installed yet? Seems like all the US cars I've seen that have been imported to Europe have been retrofitted with the amber turn signal.

mfmagicmike

03-17-2007, 06:58 AM

The red turn signals are tolerated in Germany, but here in France I had to make little changes: the wiring had to be redone in order to separate the brake light from the rear position light (only one cable in the US). To have orange turn signals I disconnected the white reverse lights (one on each side) and put in orange light bulbs. I hope french officials will accept that.
Once I am through with the registration I will put things back as they were (french Police doesn t know anything about these cars).