Post by SketchyMagpie on Jul 16, 2016 18:16:14 GMT

I'm assuming from your post that you're asking for opinions on the US as a political force in the world rather than "as a people", but I will say that there's a lot of undue negativity towards Americans. I think probably everyone who has used the internet to communicate with strangers knows that there are lovely people in every place on earth.

I'm in a bit of a rush so this is a bit of a cop-out reply, but I've always found George Carlin to pretty spot-on with his politics and social commentary.

Post by KaTune on Jul 16, 2016 21:13:40 GMT

Yes! I'm thinking more on the political stage and great use of Carlin as he sums up how I'm feeling perfectly! I wish we had the Dalai Lama as choice for president but what can ya do eh? I'm just amazed by the nominees we have to choose from to lead us as a nation in 2016. It actually scares me.. I know there are beautiful souls who populate this country but where are they?

Post by SketchyMagpie on Jul 16, 2016 21:26:26 GMT

Well hopefully the UK's nose-dive off the edge of a cliff towards a fiery death following our vote to leave the EU gives America a kick up the backside to realise that the thing you think people aren't actually going to vote for CAN happen if enough right-minded people don't get out there and vote, themselves.

Post by KaTune on Jul 16, 2016 22:36:20 GMT

Well hopefully the UK's nose-dive off the edge of a cliff towards a fiery death following our vote to leave the EU gives America a kick up the backside to realise that the thing you think people aren't actually going to vote for CAN happen if enough right-minded people don't get out there and vote, themselves.

Yeah it was out last week I hate it for all those poor people in Iraq who are misplaced or completely gone due to Bush's jump to action despite the UN's decision. No weapons of mass destruction, complete chaos still and terror threats growing every day... I was surprised to find Blair was in communication with Bush months before saying he'd be by his side no matter what, but not surprised to find out the US had no interest in the UK's views on how to run things once we got there or how to spend oil revenue and so forth. The madness!!

Post by KaTune on Jul 20, 2016 20:02:10 GMT

I want Trump to win. The wheels need to fly off this wagon so we can properly fix them instead of slapping bandage upon bandage on the problem.

Interesting take! Maybe that's just what we need. I've had to abandon FB due to all the pro-Trump propaganda (I'm from the south so surrounded by red...) and it's hard (for me) to take him seriously :/ but I guess ya never know.

Post by SketchyMagpie on Jul 20, 2016 20:27:57 GMT

I can see a sort of anarchistic appeal to Trump winning. But having seen how the Brexit vote has legitimised racism over here, I think it would lead to a lot of hurt and suffering for people not in his target audience. People see it as the green light to be more open with the prejudices that society pre-vote had suppressed.

Post by KaTune on Jul 21, 2016 4:19:38 GMT

The sad truth is... (and I'm not trying to push buttons, this is just how I'm feeling) this country can be thought of as being full of celebrity junkies. Generations brought up on reality TV phonies. People with no talent at all who are famous for what? Being famous? What kind of party nominates a man with no political standing and who is most popular for saying $#!t like "YOU'RE FIRED" ( in a crumbling economy where those words are all to familiar to the broken middle and lower class)!! There are Republicans who are jumping ship. Flat out leaving the party due to this nomination which should speak volumes, but still Trump has an actual chance at leading the "free world". The Donald has been crying of late (cue the tiny violins) because he only got around a million for a month to campaign while Hillary is sitting pretty with 40+ mill, in an age where information is delivered for free via the Internet within seconds. Here's an idea. Why don't we just take all the campaign money and try to fix the country? What's the point in having a president anyway? Once one party is voted in, the House/Senate flips to the opposing side which makes progress practically impossible.

Post by jxbx on Jul 21, 2016 22:07:09 GMT

Unfortunately, I think there's a stream of consciousness in the US that would like to see this place burn down completely just so they can say, "We told you so!" The same stream that would like to go to war with ANYONE, including their neighbors because of differences in wealth, skin tone, ideology, religion, etc...they will make up whatever excuse to satisfy their hate.

Fortunately, I don't swim in that stream. I see it and recognize it, but I refuse to bathe in it. I believe there's another stream of consciousness that we have yet to achieve. It involves love, equality, giving community support when needed, etc. I don't feel the need to destroy my neighbor and I don't feel the need for hate. Call me "hippy" but I still believe there's hope and love at the bottom of this box

Post by arose on Jul 22, 2016 3:06:12 GMT

I'm so with you jxbx. Ive always been a lover not a fighter and I have the same dream for us in this country. One involving respect for each other and working together towards common goals instead of just to make a few bucks. I still feel like Trump is an elaborate practical joke and I can't believe enough republicans are buying into it!! Insanity...

Post by KaTune on Jul 24, 2016 12:39:36 GMT

Oh dear...The silliness which surrounds me. When asking my brother in law why he's a Trump enthusiasts, he simply said The Second Amendment... and I see this all over facebook too. He told me that Hillary wants to take away our guns, but has been selling guns to ISIS? We had a gun scare a while back here in the southern US where gun stores started popping up all over the place. There are almost as many places to buy guns as there are churches, which trust me, that's a lot! So when I think on the subject these images come to mind.

Post by lipstic on Jul 25, 2016 2:02:48 GMT

I'll be honest the US scares the crap out of me right now. Not just the political aspect but the people as well. I don't think majority of Americans actually realize that what they do, how they vote and how they think affects the entire world. It especially has an impact on their neighbors to the north. So if you are reading this and you can vote please consider how your vote will affect the entire world.

Post by KaTune on Jul 25, 2016 3:09:52 GMT

so I am not in the habit of talking about certain things, politics being one, but I made this mistake the other day on my other forum...because of this rise of Trump supporters only for the fact that they don't like Hillary, and well, this comment in favor of Hillary, but calling her "shady and..." KaTune or ___ maybe you could tell mewhere I went wrong with my response (below), since I feel this is a safe space to bring this up as we seem to be in accord here...or in the least, respectful of differing opinions, and i just want to educate from my perspective, since the other forum was trying to convince others thatthetwo party system is obsolete and well...yeah, that would be nice, but um...no? It isn't! While I have no issue hearing the other opinions or suggestions, I don't want to DEBATE why I agree or disagree, and some folks just seem to want to instigate rather than just read my comment and agree or agree to disagree. But, ok, stillm, was there a way I could havesaid this better?

(in response to the shady and...oh "under i nvestigation" comment)

"Wasn't all that Hilary stuff a big over-exaggeration?? I mean, I can never remember the specifics, but it is my understanding that she didn't really do anything that should be all that concerning to us. And seriously folks, Trump, nooooo!!!! I heard 90% of what he says has been proven as lies. 90%! I just can't fathom...ok, sorry. I wish I could come here with some heavy evidence, but I just know in my gut and with what I've managed to follow through this all that Trump is very evil and scheming, and that Hillary will have her beliefs, but will also have to appeal to the House and to majority votes and such on all major decisions...people, people, we HAVE to be smart about this! It IS a two party system...please please just don't be hasty, alright!

edit: plus, well while there may be disagreement here but, the last Clinton administration...well, Hillary had a big role there...and things were pretty good, considering the shit that has ensued since. am I right?

edit: one last thing, I may be opinionated, but I don't mean any disrespect here. Just very concerned. But yeah, I need to make this clear since typically I stay out of these sorts of discussions and you might not have understood how I think/feel/or?? I hope you understand."

I know politics are tough to talk about so thank you for voicing your opinion doll. I think you've brought up some excellent points in your statement so booo to all the haters. I think that since I've been of voting age, Bill Clinton has had the most positive impact on our society and economy as a whole, and your right, Hillary did play a big role in that administration. A funny lil fact I just found out is that Trump was a big supporter of Hillary when she ran in the state of New York and contributed thousands of dollars to her campaign : www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-donations-democrats-hillary-clinton-119071. IDK what the future holds, but I pray that things don't go to complete shit :/

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