Both David of HDM and Mr. Orion Holtby are members of GV with posting priviliges. Lace up your armor boys and lets see Mr. Holtby talk to David. Maybe we could throw DR into the mix for some after dinner entertainment. I would love to hear the other side of the story in a civil and respectfull fashion as I'm sure NYAG Spitzer would.

I said it on Wayne's blog so I guess I can do a fair use exstraction of my own post LOL:

"...Respectfully, some of YOU Network geeks who insist on doing business with any old Tom or Jane could use a lesson in due dillegence.

To whit, a bunch of 20 something Publishers understand what needs to be done. Do YOU?

Take a gander at this thread which of course features none other than Orion and carefully read it. Exibit Y at:

Unfortunately, Orion's previous operations and the unethical nature of the networks through whom he has operated previously have been known to Geek/Talk regulars for some time. While myself and a few others were taking the diplomatic route in trying to encourage Orion away from the "dark side" within the thread to which Steve linked, it seems that our advice failed to stick.

It's terribly sad to see that others accrued losses through dealing with Orion in recent months. Hopefully HDM and other affected companies will be able to recover some of their substantial losses through appropriate legal action.

Kudos to Mr. Eastbrook. I think it would also help to mention if publishers stop running to new networks (I.E. PublisherCash, NConextMedia, ImpressionUp, Vista Interactive (and their other names), etc.) Everyone would be in much better off. If they have no publishers, then they cannot ***** anyone.. I believe several posts (including yours truly) typed this before. In my opinion, networks like these give other networks a bad name.

Originally posted by OnlineGuide
Kudos to Mr. Eastbrook. I think it would also help to mention if publishers stop running to new networks (I.E. PublisherCash, NConextMedia, ImpressionUp, Vista Interactive (and their other names), etc.) Everyone would be in much better off. If they have no publishers, then they cannot ***** anyone.. I believe several posts (including yours truly) typed this before. In my opinion, networks like these give other networks a bad name.

I'm just wondering, what do you have against Impression Up? It's not nice to just slander someone like that and not back it up with something so people know where that is coming from.

Today I actually got my July payment from them, in full and exactly how I expected. Net 30 to them means that the check is in your mailbox 30 days after the month is over, which is the way it's supposed to be. No complaints from my end from working from them.

Hurricane Digital Media, in conjunction with US federal law enforcement authorities, is seeking publishers and others who have [allegedly] been defrauded by Orion Holtby, Hamed Vaghayenegar, and/or the following companies:

If you are the victim of advertiser fraud perpetrated by someone not on this list, please report that as well.

We will be presenting the case to the US Attorneys office and Canadian law enforcement for criminal prosecution.

We are seeking the following information (well use Hurricane as an example):

 Who are you?
o Hurricane Digital Media
 How may we contact you?
o deastbrook@hurricanedigitalmedia.com
 Where are you located?
o Madison, Wisconsin
o USA
 Are you willing to be contacted by US law enforcement?
o YES
 Who defrauded you?
o Orion Holtby
o Adserving.us
 What is the amount of the fraud?
o $54,000.00 USD
 When did this occur?
o Q2 2005
 Are you interested in pursuing criminal charges?

Please feel free to give as much or as little information as you are comfortable with. The more we know about each individual story, the easier and faster it will be to obtain indictments, extraditions, etc.

After careful consideration, we have decided to allow this thread to continue, but wish to assert that GeekVillage, iOnline and its proprietors have no official interest in this case. The continuation of this thread should also not be interpreted as a subjective judgement on our behalf. This does not represent our support for the case or our belief in the guilt of the accused parties, as this has yet to be proven in a court of law.

If the parties accused of these fraudulent activities are found to be guilty, however, we do wish David and other victims all the best in seeking appropriate damages and hope that this will discourage the formation and operation of fraudulent networks in the future.

Members, please feel free to contact David privately or to post your information and claims here for review.