I think the main reason women are perfectly blameless, and cannot be responsible for anything, is because the female gender has become dependent upon males over the course of evolution. Women simply don't have it in their DNA, to be self-responsible for anything. So a Modern woman feels entitled to walk into a gang-neighborhood, and then be surprised when she is robbed and raped by minorities. Similarly, a Modern woman feels entitled to dress like a slut, get blackout drunk at a bar or night-club, and then she can claim victim-status for being raped there. Any and all rapes are "true-rapes", to women. Because women cannot give any concessions. Women can't give the hint of taking any responsibility for anything in life.

Women are morally inferior to men, because women are not made to be accountable for anything in life. Perfectly blameless, innocent, "no hitting women". The truly Privileged gender. The Protected gender. "But what about all the rape that happens!"

Well, don't get blackout drunk at a night-club and then drink from a glass handed to you by a stranger??? Ever think of that??? No. Because that would imply that a woman can think for herself....

I feel like this hyperbole is a disservice to Conservative women, who do have some moral dignity, and are wise enough to know the difference. Some women are Lady-like, smarter about their company, and more observant to which men are suspicious deviants, criminals, and which are not. So if you are Conservative (and female), then know that my slander does not apply to you.

"Real Women" are worth praising, defending, and honoring. Some people are worth cherishing. I think we all know this, but don't want to admit it publicly.

Urwrongx1000 wrote:I'm not saying there aren't VICTIMS in the world. Clearly, there are (Mollie Tibbetts). I'm not saying that all victimhood can be avoided or prepared for. It can't. There are rare circumstances and occurrence, chances of harm and evil, that cannot be anticipated. However, my point has more to do with enduring evil, and recovering from it. I do believe, that a 'prouder', stronger woman, would want revenge for the injustice done to her, and the assault to her pride. Why aren't females reporting rape, if it is so, immediately after it would happen? It's shame, fear, etc? To what point is it an excuse? At least the world would know, for certain, that coming forward immediately that a woman is speaking truthfully.

10-20-30 years later, there must be doubt. And this #metoo movement, isn't it doing more harm than good, to the next generation of daughters?

I believe that people are using these matters politically and not addressing real problems, seriously. It cheapens the occurrence of real victims when they do happen. Basically, the Modern world is capitalizing on the victimization of true-victims, which is a double-evil. It's an evil for the rare times (Mollie Tibbetts) such a thing happens, and it's double-evil for others to compare their injustice to one that was far greater.

That's what I've been trying to get at, that most of you are missing.

I agree with you on this. There are many double standards existing, if you look closer. But a “poster child” for a movement has to hit home, or, like you said, nobody would be able to identify with him/her. Who cares if a young girl is raped in India, where it may be the social norm for her own parents to sell her into sex slavery, and everybody just accepts it? Where the practice is so old and widespread that it is considered a part of their culture? And what is a woman to do if it is a close relative that rapes her and she is dependent on him for her economic/emotional support? And yes, economic/social class plays a very big role in our level of acceptance of these unfortunate happenings. An impoverished woman in India may report being raped, but if every other woman is also getting raped, and it is perceived more or less as normal occurrence by those around her, and this is the environment in which she grew up, what would be done? Probably not much. It’s very possible that such woman may cave in under social pressures and just accept it as a part of her reality, her norm. (What rape problem? We don’t have a rape problem!). I think this is what happens to a lot of women where a-woman-getting-raped is seen as not that big of a deal, and is just internalized by women as a part of reality of being a woman. And the definition of rape is hinged on a woman’s consent, right? And if so, then the definition of rape becomes a fuzzy area itself as well. Did she consent? She said yes, but because of her limited options, she was also afraid for her life, or safety or future consequences. And this is the environment in which many of these women grow up in, or as certain men would joke, “If you’re getting raped, at least try to enjoy it!” And some women actually accept this reasoning!

You mis-read what I wrote. I am all for women (and men) to learn to be self-responsible, to be more conscious of everything which they do, to think ahead like a chess player to determine what the repercussions/consequences of this or that behavior could be, to take responsibility for their actions when they have not been conscientious and cautious in caring for and protecting their selves. This is not ONLY when they have put their life or their Self in jeopardy but for every consequence which did not have to happen had they given thought and reflection ahead of time.

Human beings can be quite stupid, quite unthinking. The point I was trying to make is that even though a woman or a girl or even a man does a really stupid thing like getting drunk and making her or his -self very vulnerable and unprotected, this does not mean that she or he was asking to get raped, that they wanted it. Are they responsible for their part in not taking care of their selves, YES, THEY ARE, but only an inhumane, non-compassionate person, someone with such a sense of entitlement and priviledge, or a mysogynist, would be stupid enough to think that these people had it coming.

As for what I wrote below:

Human beings are NOT all knowing. We cannot be aware at every moment in time of everything which is going on around us or of just the right thing to do. We may be self-determined but there are others who are also self-determined. Do you see the clash there?

Again, we are not perfect. We are flawed. There are times when we can be the most diligent in our safety but things will happen beyond our control. Of course, you yourself do not fit into that category. You are infallible.

“How can a bird that is born for joySit in a cage and sing?” ― William Blake

Arc you think some one who callously plays with the passions of others suddenly ceases to be responsible for their actions?

I disagree. If a person is sexually provocative then that person is sexually provocative. Meaning that person is reaponsible for provoking sexual passions. If it happens in a party with drunk people there is no sane way of denying such a person is literally "looking for trouble".

I don't believe Ford was raped. I think she was trying to get with K, he was crude with her, and she vowed revenge.

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It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

But here's the difference. A spiritually strong woman will react differently to rape, than a spiritually weak woman. A strong woman will want revenge, obviously. And she would take the Onus, Responsibility, upon herself, to avenge the sexual value that was stolen from her. So a spiritually strong woman would have a much higher chance of avenging herself, of getting her Justice, where spiritually weak women (like the #metoo movement, Modern Feminists, SJWs, etc) will not. The more pathetic women will ...come "out" 30 years after the crime, and make baseless accusations. Spiritually weak women will clamor for "victims". Spiritually weak women will spread the gospel of "Being a Victim".

lol Please define what you mean by *spiritually* here for me.

...to avenge the sexual value that was stolen from her.

Perhaps her father might feel that way 300 years ago.lol I am not so sure that a woman's main focus would be her sexual value. It would be the destruction of her psyche, her self identity, the loss of her spiritual and physical autonomy. It would be about her *stolen* freedom and the right to be able to say *NO*.

So you think that people, or ALL the individuals in the Metoo movement are spiritually weak? Have you even taken the time to take that leap into the darkness to really consider what these women are all about? Granted, I also have my questions and doubts about some of them but human beings are complicated and convoluted and this is a very messy affair especially where conflicted interests are concerned. You would crucify these women for coming forward?

Arc you think some one who callously plays with the passions of others suddenly ceases to be responsible for their actions?

No, I do not and I have no idea how or why you would think that.We are all responsible for our own actions ~ that is, if we have a conscience and think humanely of consequences.

I disagree. If a person is sexually provocative then that person is sexually provocative.

True. Are they being *deliberately* sexually provocative to control and get attention?

Meaning that person is reaponsible for provoking sexual passions

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I can agree with this but I also feel that it is also up to the other party to protect their self. If it is a young girl or guy, they haven't learned so much at that time to control their passions or their need to not give into that attention or sexual control.

If it happens in a party with drunk people there is no sane way of denying such a person is literally "looking for trouble".

I would not deny that. But let us say that that person, a female, is raped, because of her behavior. Granted, her behavior CONTRIBUTED to the outcome but would you say that she was just asking to be raped, let us say, literally asking to be raped, and that she deserved it?

I do not think that I am being so naive here to think that if there were other types of men there at that party, other types of INDIVIDUALS there, it might not have come down to that - no matter how drunk both sides were. Some men or guys could just not do that - they would find the discipline and inner strength to hold back. There are certain types of *individuals* in a lynching mob who would scream "Hang him, hang him, but there are other types, to be sure, who would be incapable of doing such a thing.

I don't believe Ford was raped. I think she was trying to get with K, he was crude with her, and she vowed revenge.

Opinion is not necessarily truth. How do you come by that conclusion?

I cannot make that judgment either way. I did not see any of her testimony but I went home early and I saw all of Cavanaugh's. Frankly, I do not know what to think and the waters are so muddied now. What you say may be true but for a woman to put herself through all of that testimony, through all of that...I cannot say.

I watched Cavanaugh. I listened to what his friends said about him and the 36 I believe letters from his women friends who had known him for quite some time.

I watched his behavior carefully and I still cannot determine if another man, judge, under those circumstances might have acted differently. He was of course fighting for his life basically, his future and he was being attacked. If he is innocent, I can feel great compassion for him and if he is guilty of what they assumed him of, then he cannot get that chair and depending on the findings...well...

People do act differently under the same circumstances. We respond and react differently. I could see his belligerence clearly on his face, I saw and heard how he continued to impress and show himself as he was very young, the things he did, his volunteer work. At times it seemed to me that he was quite *over the top* with it but could that be the desperate attempt of an innocent man or a guilty man? Then he made the comment to the woman, asking her if she forgot things or something like that, when she was drunk. That was crude to me, considering that she didn't drink - she had told him that her father was an alcoholic. Could that be another side to him that had been left unrevealed, dregs from his past.

There were times when I felt that he *might* be guilty* but feelings and intuition are faulty. I just do not know how any woman could put herself through something like that unless she was insane. Many of those women who came forward on the MeToo did not have the exposure which she had. I think that to just dismiss her comes from a place of wanting to believe she lied about everyting and sweeping it all under the carpet.The same goes for him.

The whole thing did become like some kind of a witchhunt or McCarthyism.

Is it possible that she was a pawn of some of the Democrats? Who knows. I do not think that we will ever really get at the truth of it without real evidence - and hearsay is not evidence. Both sides paint a different picture of him.

“How can a bird that is born for joySit in a cage and sing?” ― William Blake

But they will never spread the gospel of "Become Self-Responsible", or "do not get blackout-drunk", or "dress conservatively".

Do you see any of these wretched whores starting a "dress conservatively" movement or "don't drink alcohol" movement???

You obviously do not know much about the victims of sexual attacks. Surprisingly, some victims are decent women going about their own businesss..... on their way to work, shopping, mundane things such as this. You paint the picture that all women who experience rape asked for it because of their drunken state or choice of clothes.

To be attacked when you think you are not vulnerable, no dark street, broad daylight, is a very scary experience and the only way out of it is to fight back. A kick in the balls will do it if you are strategically placed, if not keep on struggling until you free yourself and run, run as fast as you can.

As a man I think falsely accusing a man of rape is worse than beating him unconscious, it is the same as rape to me. Destroying everything that is sweet and innocent and sacred to him. Now it has been proven that Ford either lied or hallucinated. Watch the Susan Collins speech!!! THAT is a WOMAN.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

As a man I think falsely accusing a man of rape is worse than beating him unconscious, it is the same as rape to me

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...and what of the woman who has been raped and is falsely accused of lying about it, the truth being swept under the carpet? Can you even begin to imagine the hell which she is in in those moments?

How often were men, I would say especially men, sent to jail and been there for years because it *appeared* that they were guilty. People absolutely *knew* that they were guilty based on the so-called evidence or more to the point the lack of evidence.

I can agree with your statement though. It has to be one of the most terrible *places* to be in, IF Cavanaugh is innocent.

Destroying everything that is sweet and innocent and sacred to him.

It does not look as if it has all been destroyed for him since he has been sworn in but there will always be questions about his innocence or guilt and many of the Democrats are not *finished* with him yet. Ultimately, no matter what though, he has the power and the control within his own personal life, to kind of smooth things over with his family, to show his children his best *Self*, to help them to understand things with love, intelligence and caring.

Now it has been proven that Ford either lied or hallucinated.

I do not think that that has actually been proven unless I have missed something. I am not saying that that cannot be the case but I do not think that it has been proven. SHOW ME THE MONEY, barbarianhorde.

I do recall a short excerpt, while listening to the news, of Dr. Ford's testimony. I did not quite get what she was saying ~ it seemed to me to be about some mythological creature but I may be wrong in what I heard. lol. She had her head down as though she was speaking to no one in particular. She did seem to be quite out of it but any reasonable human being could understand why, given the circumstances, unless they already had it in their mind that she *had* to be guilty and were quite willing to burn her at the stake, so to speak.

I am going to find her testimony somewhere and listen to it. Did you happen to listen to her testimony or are you basing her guilt on the perceptions and projections of others? I am not saying that you are ~ only asking.

Watch the Susan Collins speech!!! THAT is a WOMAN.

I will get back to you at some point.

Inquiry is fatal to certainty.Will Durant

“How can a bird that is born for joySit in a cage and sing?” ― William Blake

Yes, I was actually framed and taken for guilty of battery for two years. A woman accused me because I had raised my voice against her when she had thrashed my parents house. Im not as well spoken as she so I lost out. Also it seemed a man has no rights when he is accused by a woman. I won't tell you everything but yeah, I know what these things feel like, I call that evil. It was cleared up but after ruining everything for me. She wasn't punished for the false claim.

It ruined years of my life and I lost most of my friends and family.

But indeed Kavanaugh is in a better position now that he has been sworn in. I don't feel sorry for him now. Im very happy for the USA and the world.

I saw the Ford testimony and my first impression was the same as everyone elses, that she was honest. Then I watched a little bit over and over and over when I recognized acting techniques. She is very brilliant, I have no questions about this. But I think she uses it for evil. So much doesn't add up. All the people she said were at the party have no memory, nor does her best friend, of any such incident. Thats only the tip of the iceberg.

Ive got some reading for you if you're interested in my side. Thanks for your patient reply.

Yes, I was actually framed and taken for guilty of battery for two years. A woman accused me because I had raised my voice against her when she had thrashed my parents house. Im not as well spoken as she so I lost out. Also it seemed a man has no rights when he is accused by a woman. I won't tell you everything but yeah, I know what these things feel like, I call that evil. It was cleared up but after ruining everything for me. She wasn't punished for the false claim.

It ruined years of my life and I lost most of my friends and family.

I am sorry that that happened to you. A man has as many rights as does a woman. Perhaps a man ought to have only as many rights as he would deign to give a woman. Then perhaps we might all learn something.

Did you have a lawyer? Could you sue her in civil court? May I ask you how it was cleared up ~ what you mean by that ~ but you do not have to respond. I hope that, for the most part at least, you have managed to be healed and to let go of it. I do not necessarily believe in that thing called karma but I think that at some point the woman will reap the consequences, if she has not already, of what she has done to you, due to her behavior and character.

Have some of those family members and friends returned to you or are *finished* with them?

But indeed Kavanaugh is in a better position now that he has been sworn in. I don't feel sorry for him now. Im very happy for the USA and the world.

I suppose so. I wonder though if he actually feels that way. I can still feel sorry for him IF he is innocent but how can I since I cannot know. Why are you happy for the USA and the world? Are we and it perfect and complete and is all right with the world? I do not know about that!

I saw the Ford testimony and my first impression was the same as everyone elses, that she was honest. Then I watched a little bit over and over and over when I recognized acting techniques. She is very brilliant, I have no questions about this. But I think she uses it for evil. So much doesn't add up. All the people she said were at the party have no memory, nor does her best friend, of any such incident. Thats only the tip of the iceberg.

The one thing which did surprise me that I heard during the news was of her best friend saying that she never knew this. She was never told this by Ford. Of course, I can understand how a young girl might not depending on the relationship with her best friend, how she viewed her, how she viewed herself. Relationships are complex as are human beings. We cannot really know how someone might react. Shame and even guilt for what she may feel responsible for even though SHE DID NOT ASK FOR IT, even though SHE DID WANT WANT IT...if THAT WAS THE CASE. We always seem to assume that others would act and react in the same way we would.

Did she agree to a polygraph test? I remember that Cavanaugh was asked and I think he said that he would go along with whatever they wanted but I also think that he hesitated and I could see that he was not into doing it unless I mis-read him.

All the people at the party having no memory....where do you go with something like this? Maybe many of them were drunk, maybe also lying. Quien sabe?

Ive got some reading for you if you're interested in my side. Thanks for your patient reply.

Arcturus Descending wrote:I am sorry that that happened to you. A man has as many rights as does a woman. Perhaps a man ought to have only as many rights as he would deign to give a woman. Then perhaps we might all learn something.

What does that mean? Why are we still talking as if women don't have equal rights? It pains me to see this. When are women going to make use of these rights to show where they can do better than men? I haven't seen any improvement in empathy or responsibility the world since women got equal rights, have you? Wealth only has concentrated in the hands of fewer people in any case. Its not become fairer in the least.

Did you have a lawyer? Could you sue her in civil court?

Thats very American. I cant go into it like that.

May I ask you how it was cleared up ~ what you mean by that ~ but you do not have to respond. I hope that, for the most part at least, you have managed to be healed and to let go of it. I do not necessarily believe in that thing called karma but I think that at some point the woman will reap the consequences, if she has not already, of what she has done to you, due to her behavior and character

Well sure I wouldn't want to trade places. Someone who does that must be in dulling pain.

Have some of those family members and friends returned to you or are *finished* with them?

Yes, thank god my closest family and friends returned. They all were very surprised when they finally let me talk. Now I have some admiration, quite a bit actually, for how I pulled through.

But indeed Kavanaugh is in a better position now that he has been sworn in. I don't feel sorry for him now. Im very happy for the USA and the world.

I suppose so. I wonder though if he actually feels that way. I can still feel sorry for him IF he is innocent but how can I since I cannot know. Why are you happy for the USA and the world? Are we and it perfect and complete and is all right with the world? I do not know about that!

If we could only be happy if we were perfect and complete Id never have one happy second in my life. No, I am happy that we didn't send the planet into nuclear winter. You know the story. I love Trump. I think he saved the day. Lets maybe not discuss that here though its endless.

I saw the Ford testimony and my first impression was the same as everyone elses, that she was honest. Then I watched a little bit over and over and over when I recognized acting techniques. She is very brilliant, I have no questions about this. But I think she uses it for evil. So much doesn't add up. All the people she said were at the party have no memory, nor does her best friend, of any such incident. Thats only the tip of the iceberg.

The one thing which did surprise me that I heard during the news was of her best friend saying that she never knew this. She was never told this by Ford. Of course, I can understand how a young girl might not depending on the relationship with her best friend, how she viewed her, how she viewed herself. Relationships are complex as are human beings. We cannot really know how someone might react. Shame and even guilt for what she may feel responsible for even though SHE DID NOT ASK FOR IT, even though SHE DID WANT WANT IT...if THAT WAS THE CASE. We always seem to assume that others would act and react in the same way we would.

I gotta say no one asks to be born either, life is painful for everyone and a lot of people take being beaten and trapped for granted from birth, this is why we have others to support us and make sense. The sex slaves on the markets of Libya which was Hillarys proud wardeed (she actually was proud of that coup on tv) cant go to therapy, they will never make it out alive likely.

Did she agree to a polygraph test? I remember that Cavanaugh was asked and I think he said that he would go along with whatever they wanted but I also think that he hesitated and I could see that he was not into doing it unless I mis-read him.

Im not sure if she did.

All the people at the party having no memory....where do you go with something like this? Maybe many of them were drunk, maybe also lying. Quien sabe?

Just make sure you apply the same skepticism to each party.

Ive got some reading for you if you're interested in my side. Thanks for your patient reply.

I will read it. My hope though is that the *real* guilty party gets found out.

I think thats already found out, the dnc who doctored the whole case to become public right?So you cant vote for that party and not be in on this.I think all people so also women and maybe women especially should try not to be seduced by a party that made the first modern slave market possible. And thats a fact Arcturus. That one is proven beyond any doubt.

Every man and woman who was in the same movement with her should think twice really, don't you think?

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

Urwrong you sound like you have mommy issues with all that cringey fantasizing about "strong noble" women. It's also homosexual, wanting women to be like men. Nobility is exclusive to men. Women are the sex that evolved to submit to whomever they perceive as most dominant and have their holes filled with cock. While you're fantasizing how they're pure and strong and noble they're fantasizing about having a 10 inch cock shoved in their mouth.

The solution isn't to try and make women more like men, like you and other feminists try to.

Thanathots wrote:Urwrong you sound like you have mommy issues with all that cringey fantasizing about "strong noble" women. It's also homosexual, wanting women to be like men. Nobility is exclusive to men. Women are the sex that evolved to submit to whomever they perceive as most dominant and have their holes filled with cock. While you're fantasizing how they're pure and strong and noble they're fantasizing about having a 10 inch cock shoved in their mouth.

The solution isn't to try and make women more like men, like you and other feminists try to.

He's right, no woman could, for example, write a post as noble as this one by thatsnot. Nor one with as much insight into women.

Yes, great strategy too. To lower the object of their desire in value so they feel they deserve it, in the meantime agreeing with lowering themselves in value by desiring what they define as a piece of trash. So smart. Other guys take anther approach. They'll admire a woman and still act like they deserve her, so the woman concludes that they think very highly of themselves.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

Thanathots wrote:Urwrong you sound like you have mommy issues with all that cringey fantasizing about "strong noble" women. It's also homosexual, wanting women to be like men. Nobility is exclusive to men. Women are the sex that evolved to submit to whomever they perceive as most dominant and have their holes filled with cock. While you're fantasizing how they're pure and strong and noble they're fantasizing about having a 10 inch cock shoved in their mouth.

The solution isn't to try and make women more like men, like you and other feminists try to.

He's right, no woman could, for example, write a post as noble as this one by thatsnot. Nor one with as much insight into women.

True. Women can't even live up to the low standards that I've set for them.

Yes, great strategy too. To lower the object of their desire in value so they feel they deserve it

And sadly, that does work. Probably not so often in thatsnot's crass form, but thinking like that and having that attitude actually seems to be a good game. What a sad state of affairs. I

In the meantime agreeing with lowering themselves in value by desiring what they define as a piece of trash. So smart. Other guys take anther approach. They'll admire a woman and still act like they deserve her, so the woman concludes that they think very highly of themselves.

I just flipped between this and Ecmandu's thread about all women being evil. There seem to be a number of people of both sexes who take such a dim view of the opposite sex life must be hell.