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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 20:49:20 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: satchwilsonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/picking-apart-the-browns-pitch-for-the-griffin-pick/#comment-1665424
Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:07:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1665424I heard the whole interview. He was responding to a question from a season ticket holder on a conference call with them & no media. He just stated what went down when asked & the media portrayed it as complaining. It wasn’t & if you don’t believe me go to Clevelandbrowns.com & listen to the fan forum Holmgren: ‘Now, it’s time’
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:10:16 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1655817Rams get with the skins potentially 2 top 10 picks over the next 2 years, far better deal than the 22nd overall pick this year. Not to mention still likely to get Blackmon with Cleveland needing to address RB with Hillis gone, or reaching on Tannehill. Great move STL
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:50:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1654828SMH. PFT basically posts the same story with three different headlines over the course of Friday night, Saturday morning, and then Sunday night. They recount their same “concerns” about what Holmgren said nearly word-for-word in at least 2 of the three 3 posts. So basically, there’s nothing new here. ‘Cept somebody on your staff has sand in the va-jay-jay.

So even though it’s been made perfectly clear that Holmgren wasn’t speaking to the press and that he was on a conference call with season ticket holders and being asked candid questions and trying to provide candid answers and it’s just plain not really a big deal, PFT starts running it into the ground as if it’s comparable to Spygate or Bountygate or Rex Ryan’s foot fetish.

Was Holmgren wrong for saying those comments in front of *any* microphone at all? Sure, it wasn’t smart and yeah, he is becoming something of an embarrassment or letdown to Browns fans— but it’s hardly the controversy PFT seems desperate to make it out to be.

You guys *do* realize people only come here for hard football news and not your gossip-y TMZ’isms, right?

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:47:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1653764savocabol1 says: Mar 19, 2012 9:22 AM
I honestly don’t think most of you commentators have ever negotiated for a car or house or ect. You NEVER put your “best and final” offer first. You give a good, but lower offer than you are willing to settle with. You then work with the other party in the negotiations to find a good place in the middle.

Why should trading draft picks be any different? Reality check is Browns were right, Rams took a lower offer, and now the Skins are going to have to hope RG3 is worth not being able to upgrade crutial positions through the draft for three years.
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You’re ignoring the state of the market. For the #2 pick, it was a seller’s market. The Rams had all the cards because they knew at least two teams were interested in trading up for the pick (and that’s all you need for leverage).

Housing, meanwhile, is a buyer’s market. If a seller gets interest, they are more motivated to move the house right now because if you don’t take it, there’s no guarantee anyone will any time soon. As a buyer, you have all the leverage because they want to get rid of the house, and you have the ability to take it off their hands.

Imagine you spend all this time searching and finally find your dream home. However, when walking into the realtor’s office you overhear that another potential buyer is going to make an offer on that same house. Are you really going to try to nickel and dime the seller and risk losing out? If you really want it, no you’re not. You’re going to probably pay more than you otherwise would’ve, but if you go too low you miss out completely.

As a rams fan, its not even close. The rams are probably sitting on the fact that the redskin aren’t very good and aren’t going to have a pick higher than22….. Therefore the value isn’t even close.

2 early or mid 1st round picks is better than 1 late one and one mid

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:54:47 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1653038Is there something wrong with the good relationship between Rams and Redskins factoring in to their decision? Did I miss that?
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:22:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652938I honestly don’t think most of you commentators have ever negotiated for a car or house or ect. You NEVER put your “best and final” offer first. You give a good, but lower offer than you are willing to settle with. You then work with the other party in the negotiations to find a good place in the middle.

Why should trading draft picks be any different? Reality check is Browns were right, Rams took a lower offer, and now the Skins are going to have to hope RG3 is worth not being able to upgrade crutial positions through the draft for three years.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:21:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652726He may be thanking the Redskins profusely in 2 years, if rg3 turns out to be less than the hype. Only time will tell….
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:34:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652703The Browns fans were demanding answers as to what happened, and Mike Holmgren obliged them by telling them what happened in a conference call with the season ticket holders.

This isn’t whining. Although I am no longer a Browns season ticket holder, I certainly appreciate the glimpse inside the organization, such as it is. Now Holmgren is a lightning rod for all the angst and bad press, and that’s alright, because he can weather it (and it isn’t entirely undeserved).

For the record, while I had warmed up to the idea of trading up, for the moment I’m glad the Browns are keeping these picks to use for other players. If the Browns had more depth, then I could see giving up those picks.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:48:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652685The Rams had to move quickly. If you remember, when they first made the pick available after the combine the Browns basically said they were not going to trade the 22nd pick. Then as we got closer to free agency and word came out that Peyton was looking better, the Rams knew they had to trade the pick now or wait until the draft because Peyton possibly would take Washington out of the bidding and their leverage would have gone done. Thats why they told everyone to give us your best offer NOW. And the Redskins did while Holmgren again was playing cheap. I feel for the Browns’s fans but they have a GM who sucks. And for the record I am a Cowboys fan and I say all the time that Jerry Jones is the worst GM. But next to Holmgren maybe Jerry is 2nd. But atleast if Jerry was in Holmgren’s shoes he would not be cheap or passive he would have went all in for RGIII and thats what the Redskins did and thats why they will get him in April and the Browns wont.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:28:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652681The first PFT post on this subject unfairly ripped Holmgren for what he said. Frankly I didn’t understand why such a long a discertation (it was more like a closing argument in a trial) was necessary to state disagreement with Holmgren speaking out. As a previous poster stated, he answered a question as to why the Browns weren’t successful in the trade. If this article is true, he was right, the Browns’ offer was just as good, if not better, than the Skins’. I don’t get all the backlash on this site. He owed the fans an explanation and he did just that. Had he been silent on this issue, I am sure he would have still been critized for not telling us what happened.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:33:23 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652670The Redskins gave up the #6 pick, the Browns have the #4. If it took more than 3 first round picks for the Browns to move up two spots wouldn’t the difference between their #4 and the Redskins #6 be worth more than a second round pick?
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:01:01 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652666Can every Cleveland fan please forget about the Browns and RG3!…..this kid has amazingly made everyone in Cleveland forget that the Browns led the NFL in dropped passes. We have a QB and leader in Colt McCoy who puts the ball where it needs to be. Imagine if we had an athlete to catch the ball. Remember how terrible the lions were until he made stafford and the lions look awesome?…….draft Blackmon at 4 then at 22 take Lamar Miller who ran the fastest .40 for RB’s.

The defense is in good shape and can finally get even better when we have an offense with skilled players that put together drives longer than 2 minutes.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:57:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652665I think the Rams did a great job and I dont see much wrong with what they did …I lam no fan of the rams but I would much rather take the 3 1st round picks over three years and the second round pick than what the Browns offerred as well. It may not seem it right now, but those two years of extra first round picks will come in handy because the Redskins will probabbly be bad for a few years no matter how good RG3 becomes( see Newton).. they can use those picks to get more draft picks and trade aroudnd like the Pats do or use it to move up a few spots if a player they want.

They have there QB, RB and hae made some nice F/A moves so far …. 3 of the 1st 39 picks in this years draft .. 2 first rounders next and in 14…

Holmgren is an aweful GM and should be fired. He sucked it up in Seattle and hasnt done crap for the Browns. Every year they have not only one of the top picks in the 1st but also the 2nd andd third where you should get some pretty good players. The fans of the Brownies should be asking for his termination and why they arent is beyong me. They will continue to stay on the bottom as long as he is there calling the shots… much better coach than GM

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:29:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652657does this mean Holmgren is done whining about the Super Bowl?
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:18:06 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652649Peter King’s MMQB from a week or two pointed out the Rams strategy – they wanted to be able to “control” the next few drafts the way the Patriots do. The Rams valued the future Redskins picks falling about #16. Granted, the Browns # 22 would give them an extra pick a year earlier, but clearly the Rams are expecting the Redskins to be worse than the Browns over the next few years (whether that is true or not we won’t know for two years).

As for “sweetening the offer,” Holmgren should know better. It’s not the Rams fault that Homgren didn’t believe them when they said send in your best offer. Maybe the Rams should have listened to the second offer, but I think it says something about the integrity of GM Snead that he gave his word and stuck to it.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:17:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652648Actually, there is one important issue to consider I have yet to see: salary cap. If the Rams are looking for sustainable development, they should want to spread the first rounders over multiple years. Taking 2+ players in the first is likely to lead to immediate difficulty on the up-front money, and even more problems later on if the players are all studs. Spread them out over 3 years, and you get to stagger that cap hit. It’s one thing if they really need to rebuild every single spot. It’s another if they feel they have enough picks this year to upgrade several slots. Getting the extra pick this year will make it harder to pay all of those players and may make it hard to play all of them as well.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:10:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652643So Les Snead is a man of his word. I find it downright refreshing that there is an honorable man in the NFL considering how the owners colluded to screw the players and when 2 teams did not participate….they screwed them. Les Snead said how it would go and then honored his word. Any comments ridiculing him for not dishonoring said word speak to the type of person making them.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:40:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652625Goo goo ga joob.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:26:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652614Maybe the Rams are thinking of building long term and would rather have potentially 3 top 15 picks and a 2nd, instead of 4, 22, and whatever that next year brings.

I believe the Rams went the route of pateince not that, they couldn’t have found a quality player at 22 but maybe Fisher felt like gambling a smidge in the future. There are only 10 picks worse than a 22 the next seasons. In all honesty they could wind up with top 15 picks or so the next few years because it will take Wash. a bit to figure out what they need to do to win.

I am a fan of neither team, but just because St. Loius wasn’t bitten by the urgency bug the way the Browns were doesn’t mean they were done wrong.

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:17:54 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652608I stunned that the browns offered as much. I feel that the media in Cleveland has the brown’s front office scared and backing away from their plan.If i recall correctly this very website had an article a few weeks ago giving washington the inside track due to the close relationship between Fisher and Shannahan
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:05:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652594As a skins fan I think he should take it as a compliment. So many factors go into this sort of thing. The biggest im sure is that the rams probably don’t forsee anyone on the board that they would “have” to have between the browns late round first and the skins early second pick this year. They must have considered where they will be picking in the first rounds of 2013 and 2014. I guess they feel like they will have better picks with the skins #1s as opposed to they browns. Im willing to bet they look at schedule strength, overall talent of the roster and even projected salary cap numbers to get a feeling of how good these number one picks will be. These guys don’t get paid millions of dollars to “hook up their friends”.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:00:47 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652586Oh it entertains me thinking of how bad a bust RG3 could be. It would be Jemarcus Russel to a whole new level. And judging by the hype he’s receiving, I’m thinking it’s gonna be bust time in the nation’s capital!
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:58:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652582It’s okay. They can wait for Matt Barkley.
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:56:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652579Can anyone remember one good move Holmgren and Cleveland have made ? Nough said !!!
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:52:54 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652572Dear St. Louis Rams,

Thank you so much!!!

Love,
Robert Griffin III

p.s. I doubt we will ever make the playoffs, so don’t worry about this coming back to haunt you!

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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:51:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652568I would like to congratulate that fat turd on making a pathic city look more so after whining publicly. Mean while the Skin have the majority of the cap space stolen by Mara and the Skins take it on the chin!!!
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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:40:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=403741#comment-1652551Directive baloney. They did the franchise a dis-service by not attempting to field better offers.
They rushed to get this done and the fans in St. Louis should be questioning why they did.

This is a blatant good ol boys maneuver in which one teams management takes care of their buds, most likely for future employment opportunity.
It seems to me it would make more sense to ship those picks to Cleveland in the AFC, now doesn’t it?

What about Miami or Seattle? The bidding war could have netted the Rams much more, yet they felt compelled to trade with Shanahan and crew.