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if you believe that certain people should not be allowed to own a gun, then it is not a right either. glad we agree the second amendment should be abolished.

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I always have to laugh when I see a thread described as "Not Work Safe." Is there anything on the OT forum that's really "work safe"? If I were your boss, I'd be mad if you spent any time on this forum at work at all. How is a picture of a naked girl any less work safe than, say, a picture of a matador getting gored in the *** by an angry bull? - VaderDave

I know the difference and it doesn't take much to illustrate it and get the information out there today. Making guns black doesn't make them deadlier. Besides, it should be well known by most that hand guns are the weapon of choice for criminal activity. If there were fewer illegal guns on the streets it's hard to deny that there would be fewer gun related homicides. Let them find other means of offing the subject of their wrath. Fewer gun related incidents means less scrutiny on the whole gun community. Will homicides go down? Probably not... but it won't be as much a gun issue if the ATF could function properly.

And go after the guys that facilitate the traceless guns as well. People will be far less prone to use something for crime if that something can be traced directly to them.

His point is simple. There is no such thing as an illegal gun. A gun at a gun store is legal. All guns (unless we are talking about one snuck in through mexico with the serial number filed down) at gun stores start out as legal. Many are stolen, etc etc. There is no way to have "fewer" illegal guns, since all legal guns have the opportunity to be used in illegal activities by people breaking the law.

You just drove the conclusion highway from CA to PA in 1 mile of reasoning.

I believe some people should not own guns, yes. Those people would be either in jail or a mental institute.

only people in jail or in a mental facility would not have guns?

how about felons who have done their time? those on probation? those with mental issues who lead normal lives, but are on medication and or in counseling? i don't believe the movie theater shooter would have been in a mental facility.

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I always have to laugh when I see a thread described as "Not Work Safe." Is there anything on the OT forum that's really "work safe"? If I were your boss, I'd be mad if you spent any time on this forum at work at all. How is a picture of a naked girl any less work safe than, say, a picture of a matador getting gored in the *** by an angry bull? - VaderDave

how about felons who have done their time? those on probation? those with mental issues who lead normal lives, but are on medication and or in counseling? i don't believe the movie theater shooter would have been in a mental facility.

JJ's world contains no shades of gray. Not 50. Not 1. Just black and white.

Thats the problem. Liberals like that shade. When it comes to rights, there is no gray. You either have a right or you dont.

So, when JJ says he wants to restrict the rights of people who are currently or have in the past suffered from mental health issues, that is NOT an infringement of their rights. How dare he discriminate against people based on their health status?

So, when JJ says he wants to restrict the rights of people who are currently or have in the past suffered from mental health issues, that is NOT an infringement of their rights. How dare he discriminate against people based on their health status?

So, when JJ says he wants to restrict the rights of people who are currently or have in the past suffered from mental health issues, that is NOT an infringement of their rights. How dare he discriminate against people based on their health status?

When did I say that? Everyone has the right to defend themselves.
Ex felons, blind people, deaf people, people that experienced depression at one time, etc

If someone is deemed too dangerous to own a gun, they should be too dangerous to own a knife or be in public. They should be in jail or a "home".

If we didn't waste trillions of $$$ on war and politics we would have the best healthcare and mental health facilities in the world

The BIG part of the gun problem is that people use guns to break other laws. Gun laws won't prevent a single incident. Perhaps someone gets denied a purchase, do you think they will simply say "oh well, I tried to kill someone. I guess I'll just take up knitting".

I mean, if you are going to murder someone - do you think a little theft is a problem for them?

The BIG part of the gun problem is that people use guns to break other laws. Gun laws won't prevent a single incident. Perhaps someone gets denied a purchase, do you think they will simply say "oh well, I tried to kill someone. I guess I'll just take up knitting".

I mean, if you are going to murder someone - do you think a little theft is a problem for them?

No chit Sherlock. Nobody ever suggested as such. The idea is to curb gun related violence... because there is no way to curb your average run of the mill violence. If you want people to quit thinking guns are bad wouldn't it be ideal to make it harder to get untraceable guns? A person is a lot less likely to kill someone with something that give a clue as to who may have used the killing tool.

Let's face it. Guns make killing easy. Their sole purpose is to put holes in things from a distance with speed and force. And the guns can be traced with a little protocol.

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