>>9783089The only problem I have with this is the normie cardigan. It feels way too casual in contrast to the leather and buckles goth look she has going on. It also adds too much white and kind of washes out the coord overall.

>>9783089Cardigan needs to go but otherwise this is cool. A nice velvet jacket would amp the punk aesthetic of this. You guys do realize punk lolita is a thing right? Like holy shit. It was one of the ORIGINAL sub styles for God’s sake.

>>9783160How do people end up with such wildly different aesthetics, look in the mirror and think "yes, this is correct, this is lolita"? I'm not saying that coords have to be cookie cutter to count as lolita but there is a point where if you stray too far then you lose everything that makes the style what it is.

>>9783242>>9783109I get that it’s s meme by now but Christ, I’m so tired of seeing vendetta because one person posts one mediocre-but-not-ita coordinate. Call me when someone posts the same person multiple times or in multiple threads, but unless it’s from an uber-private group I can guarantee none of these are targeted

>>9783294>I hate to say itWhy? Badly fitting clothes never look good, it's not an anti-fatty claim or anything it's just a fact, and honestly I wish more girls in this fashion learned how to dress for their size.

>>9783305the blouse is an ugly plus size walmart t shirt and not lolita. it'd make sense if it was a cutsew at least or something cuter but its not.>>9783272her color matching is bad and all over the place just because something is similar in color doesnt guarantee it'll match. the shades clash making it look sloppy and off.

>>9783272Grey wig doesn’t suit the coord, black would be better. There’s no purple or black head accessories to balance the heavy dark colors of the dress, and the blue head bow is wrong color. The bear ears are kitschy but fine. Boobloaf, but not the worst I’ve ever seen. Purse and shoes technically match the dress but they don’t look good or balanced and again there’s no purple anywhere else substantial.All said a messy coord but does generally look lolita, just not good lolita.

>>9783279Lacy frilly brim on the hat that doesn’t go with the rest of the toned down outfit. The necklace kind of sticks out awkwardly although she was trying for pink balance its kind of the wrong colour. The glasses aren’t that cute. The blouse is a tshirt with no structure, no decor or frills or details to look at, nor is it pretty and flowy if she wanted a less textured top. The waistband looks unpleasant, and the proof of the skirt seems a little saggy (look at the side she isn’t holding up)

Personal preference, I find it unfortunate she spent money on brand bracelets that don’t quite fit the outfit but then can’t be bothered with a decent top. Even an offbrand cutsew with a thematically appropriate print on it would look better.

To me they’re both borderline. Not fully ita but beyond a small nitpick

>>9783160lmao pocahontas kei but I don't think it's on purpose? The OP is too old west, with the headband, although it is lace, the braids... all the accessories are nope nope nope, is she trying to look like an Indian princess after all? Going to a shooting range?

>>9783248That's a van gogh budget dress, over a dangerhair landwhale, with an ugly christmas cardigan, and a minihat from regretsy's Crafts Day at the Asylum section. I'm honestly impressed at just how bad it is.

>>9783491what i dont think a lot of them get is that the charm of most prints is their complexity and their illustrative qualities, these nasty prints always just look like they arranged some clip art together

It's just bad handmade, really. Someone should tell her the skirt should be 4-5x her waist, she's not skinny so the usual 2-3m won't work for her. The front of her bodice is too low and she either lost or didn't draft the arm scye. I think a lot of newbies don't realise a jsk bodice is cut out from a proper basic block and not just a rectangle-ish block wrapped around your torso.

Unlike the other itas itt though, she's very well-groomed. In fact, I love this pic because it demonstrates just how far non-coord things like doing your hair and makeup goes towards making you not look like a crazy weeb. She's fat and dressed terribly, and yet she doesn't look terrible bercause her grooming is pretty good.

Technically >>9783300 is just a jsk coord worn without a petticoat, which technically works for some lolita dresses. Technically, she’s retained a lot of lolita elements, her shoulders are covered, she has accessories, and the lace-and-strawberries theme is repeated pretty well. Technically it shouldn’t matter whether or not your clothing is offbrand as long as it matches; the hat and bag matches her strawberry theme quite well, and the bolero is cropped so it “fits” a poofy lolita skirt (which she doesn’t have).

Technically it’s not breaking any rules for casual lolita.

It still looks like someone’s grandma, though. She kind of didn’t get the memo that all the technicalities come with the caveat of “it can look good, depending on the dress/coord”, it’s not a blanket “this meets all the technicalities and therefore is lolita”. I don’t think casual lolita was ever something that could be defined by rules anyway, it kind of depended on breaking enough of proper lolita rules so that it didn’t look so stiff and uptight, while keeping enough of them to still look lolita.

>>9783617I'm looking forward to the day when people realize that fashion isn't science, you can be following every "rule" and guideline and still look like shit because you have no sense of style. Same goes for people who think that pointing at someone who's dressed well and saying their coord wouldn't look good on anyone else, is valid criticism.

I think you're gonna wait awhile, every generation of new lolitas seem to need reminding that lolita doesn't depend on rules, they were only ever created to help newbies figure out how to get dressed, not help you judge outfits by.

>>9783141She should keep working at it, I think she has the right general idea and can improve. With more sewing practice and not so cheap fabric, and ditching the Tumblr flowers, she could make something nice. Godspeed ita-chan, keep practicing.

>>9784055>>9784132nayrt but it used to be all over her Instagram. Pics of her and her greasy daddy, etc. I don't remember the handle but when I saw that it was enough to make me not want to follow even though some of her coords are okay...

Hip-length cardis will cover up your back bow and squish down your skirt. You could use it for other jfash, but the lolita silhouette definitely doesn't work with it. Plus it's so big and covers up so much of your cute dress, at that point you might as well be wearing anything else since it's covered up anyway.

There used to be a blogpost that showed you how to shorten a cardi (basically cut it short and hem it), but I think the blog is gone now.

............okay, I sew and I still need someone to explain her middle to me, like is that her right boob going all the way to her chest, or just that side is somehow stuffed with padding because.... idk, what is even going on in her torso???

>>9785196I think quite a few ita filth cases can be chalked up to the ita or their family having a mental illness, honestly. Some MIs can make people afraid/unable to start doing things, so cleaning is especially hard. And then, of course, there are hoarders. Not trying to defend the itas at all, I find the filthiness disgusting as well, just throwing a possible explanation out there.

>>9785237Yeah, I definitely can see that and I’ve dealt with it myself to a certain degree with my own mental illness. Unfortunately I feel any many cases people are just plain lazy and grow accustomed to living like this and don’t even see it as embarrassing or gross.

>>9784758more navy and this would have worked!big low twintails under cap, and more accessories pinned so hat doesn't look so plain. also, a peter-pan collared blouse under cutsew would help the neckline. the shoes would work for other jfash but not lolita.

maybe without a petti, this would be okay casual, but the hair really needs some styling at least.

>>9785319I considered following her on IG for a hot second but at the time all her captions were along the lines of “going out to dinner with Sir” and I noped out of there real fast. Even if it’s not an ageplay or BDSM thing it rubs me the wrong way.

>>9785349nothing about that is defensive. it's not about me so I can't come from a defensive position.all I know is that if someone said "Oh, I remember her being an ageplayer" about me, with no proof, I'd be livid.

Even though idc about age play that much in the lolita community thats basically getting called a pedophile child molester and social suicide. Get called one and no one is going to invite you to another meet and you may as well become a lone lolita or quit the fashion in genera lmao

>>9785645>>9785650It’s called Lymphedema. I will never understand how morbidly obese people can convince themselves (and others) that there are no risks in being fat when this kind of thing can cause life threatening infections.

>>9783587I would actually really love this if she just committed fully with a bright red nose, like the same color as her dress. I'm a big fan of cute clown looks but the faux-menhera "tumblr nose" just kinda looks like the look wasn't fully planned out.

A bright red clown nose and maybe red platforms instead of gold, because the shoes kinda get lost in the tights, and this would be super cute imo. Definitely not everyone's look and I wouldn't fault anyone for not liking this, but this isn't ita to me, just a nitpick.

>>9785253>I have dealt with this as well. It was depression, at least for me.in a way I have sympathy for these people.In another way I can't actually believe how little shame these people have. When my room was filthy I was so ashamed of it. I can't understand whats going on in their head...

>>9786076Becuase this mess was posted in the last thread and discussed there. We already tore into this special gender over and over. She’s stopped posting in all the aminos becuase “ whaaaaaa bullies telling me to photograph my outfits at a higher angle, get a better wig, use a body shaper”. She a lost cause and has stopped posting.

>>9783292This isn't good, but it's not the worst casual I've seen. At least she's dressing for her body type decently. Her awkward smile looks like that very christian lolita on Instagram's though. Not cute.

>>9783239Me too. They're fucking disgusting, and their parents are fucking weird and obviously psychologically abnormal, considering they parade them around the internet for attention. They're literally worse than retards, and the only purpose they serve is to eat food, turn it into shit, and waste the time and energy of an actual human being that could be doing something more productive.

Of course that all sounds very cruel, but even from a more sympathetic perspective I think you can argue that they shouldn't be alive. I mean they have no quality of life. I mean literally none - neither good nor bad. It's unfortunate for their sake that they exist,

>>9786621Well it is a gyaru brand. As much as I like the clothes themselves most people look bad in Liz Lisa. The dresses have very specific proportions that look awful if you don’t fit them precisely.

>>9786131Same here with depression. I feel nothing but shame even by a little mess so often when I see people that just act like it’s normal or no big deal it seems to me like they’re just lazy and gross.

Have you looked at her? Her bust is like hanging past the waist line. Her tights are too white and she’s wearing the same exact outfit as before right down to the shoes. It hasn’t improved because she made no changes. All she did was not wear her crappy ass petticoats and is using her fat to puff the dress. Holding it out like that just makes it less glaring.

At least she isn’t doing that hands up finger licking good chicken pose any more. I’ll give her that.

>>9786979Isn’t this that girl who is trying to be e-famous that works at Claires and was totally not bothered when she got told she looked like Snooki?

>>9787028Those are milk crates anon. But cluttered shelves doesn’t mean messy house. Some people like that cluttered look. I personally don’t and rather have my shelves either be covered or minimilistic in items. But cluttered shelves doesn’t mean filth.

>>9787141The hair looks like shit, the bag doesn’t match any thing, the sandals are not lolita l, the hot pink collar is out of place and also not lolita, candy bracelet doesn’t fit the aesthetic either.

>>9787299I actually really love her weird face but she always looks so haggard and strung out, she needs to find a middle ground between ratty hair and costumey wigs, and she needs to do her makeup in a way that makes her look less...unwashed

>>9787282Except it doesn’t fit the lolita aesthetic at all. All that’s “lolita” is the dress. The rest is not even close to it or even suitable for the fashion. You can’t just have a dress and you’re a lolita Harry. Everything has to work together with the over all aesthetics of the fashion.