BarkingUnicorn:Uh-uh. The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it. Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.

Let's say you can't stand the smell of pine trees, hell maybe you're even allergic to them. Do you think you can tell neighbors they need to cut em down?

There have been court cases over that very thing where allergic people were told to stuff it with their lawsuit

BarkingUnicorn:But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.

The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

I said "I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood" I said that because different areas are zoned for different things. Residential for housing, business for...business, agriculture for farms/etc..

Therefore, a person in a residential area might be upset when something not zoned for that area is suddenly next door to them. be it me upset about a smelly pig farm, or an aging yuppie clutching her pearls because she's "allergic" to the smell of a MJ growing business.

So, growing plants requires zoning? Really? Like my neighbor has shiatloads, and I mean shiatloads, of hibiscus in their yard. They farking stink and get pollen everywhere. I should have the county come out and make them cease and desist immediately!

I live in an area zoned residential/commercial. Our very elderly neighbor died last year, and the house was rented to growers. They are the worst neighbors, ever. (Well, maybe not *ever*, but they suck.) They have no concern for their neighbors, and the place has gone to hell with litter. The three 20-something kids show up every few days to check the plants in rotation. Each of them has a pimped-out ride that screams "I don't know how to launder all the money I'm scamming."

They installed a ventilation system in the basement that's pointed right at my duplex. Some days, the entire block stinks of freshly mowed skunks. The cops were called by another neighbor for various reasons, and the cops and zoning enforcement told her the same thing -- they have growing proxies and it's zoned correctly, so nothing can be done.

I have no problem with pot, really, but these guys/girls are really dicks.

doglover:BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.

Uh-uh. The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it. Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.

No. We just stop dealing with it at all. Wash our hands of the whole thing.

But it gets you high? What if you're driving or something? DUI already applies to all intoxicants, not just alcohol. Got it covered.

What if my neighbor sets up a full scale growing operation? Zoning laws, got it covered.

What if kids smoke it and get all farked up? Child endangerment laws, got it covered.

What if someone smokes it in public? No smoking laws, got it covered.

There's nothing marijuana does that isn't already legislated, often over legislated. Just let the people smoke their sticky icky. If it was bad for you, Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg would have been dead in the 80's.

There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general. Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries. Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.

al's hat:MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs. They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all. You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.

Cheap = replace after single use thus no bacterial growth risk?

I assume that he's concerned about the bacterial growth that accumulates after a single night's use of a disposable pair, which I can only see being about twice as bad as sleeping on one side of your head during the night. Again, I wouldn't think it would be anything that proper morning hygiene wouldn't fix in a jiffy.

Big_Fat_Liar:My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves. My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill. Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor. Just like the P's taught him to be.

You know, I've been looking into this as a function of improving my breathing in my sinuses and trying to expand my diet to include new flavors I'm less familiar with. I can say this for a fact: the muscles that expand your sinus cavity to resonate for singing or to open it up when you are deliberately trying to smell something have a direct and profound influence on your gag reflex. I've had a horrible gag reflex and terrible sinus congestion my whole life, and I've come a loooooong way in fixing both by deliberately strengthening those muscles. If he's deliberately trying NOT to smell something, he's probably taught himself to clench the back of soft palate, that'll trigger his gag reflex, which will cause him to lock his stomach. Once your stomach muscles are braced, the brain interprets that feedback as nausea/anxiety, and it can get progressively worse, fast.

That's why the "cure" that forensic scientists and cops use is deliberate wide smile faced breathing. It forces you to disengage the muscles closing up your nostrils and braces your airway open in the back, releasing the gag reflex.

I learned to the same trick for foods that I don't like the smell of. You deliberately TRY and smell for a scent you recognize, and focus on that. Keeping deliberately inhaling will head off those cycles and keep your body from trying to protect itself.

Any person reporting a grow operation that in fact turns out to be a legal, registered grow operation, who then turns to the media and identifies the grower (who has a legal card granted for a medical condition, something HIPAA might care about if the feds didn't have a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion), that person should be charged with a misdemeanor for harassment.

The Envoy:Lenny_da_Hog: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.

We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.

Aphids it is then! Twats.

Grow catnip in your front yard and by your front door. It smells identical to the uninitiated, but repels mosquitoes and other biting insects. Adding a fresh constant source of a similar smell will desensitize your nose, and if you quit obsessing about it, you'll quit noticing it, and when you do notice it, you can remind yourself that it's probably what you planted for your own benefit.

And all fruit are vegetables. Seriously, can we please stop teaching kids that fruit and vegetables are mutually exclusive, especially since one is purely a culinary term, and the other is a generic scientific comparison.

Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.

if_i_really_have_to:Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell? I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.

The police stormed my neighbor's apartment a month ago, because of his cannabis farm. It was one of the worst stenches ever. Imagine Brussels sprouts boiled with bird shiat -- and I got the stink through a concrete wall. I have no idea what it would have been like to share the hallway with the guy. I thought the stink came form a fungus or something until the cops came and the smell vanished. It is truly vile.

I see people in this thread complaining about pine trees and various stinky foods, but none of that can hold a candle to a cannabis plantation. It's right up there with rotting garbage and open sewers, just more subtle.

I'm all for legalizing drugs and so on, but I don't like neighbors who stink up my home.

if_i_really_have_to:BarkingUnicorn: log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.

Grower claims it's not a business.

Does anyone believe that that amount of pot is for personal use? Seriously look at that. And it's being grown in a makeshift greenhouse thing so you can't really argue they need to stock up for the lean season.

Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell? I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.

Pot smells powerfully only when it's budding.

Grower may be a caregiver for several patients, each of whom is entitled to X plants which he grows for them. Plus his own plants for his personal use.

Washingtonians, is the medical MJ law irrelevant now that recreational use is legal up there?

doglover:BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.

Yeah. You're a dick. FYI. The fact that you see those situations as parallel means you shouldn't really be discussing this situation with adults. I'm sure there's a street corner a block off a high school where you will find people more on that level of sensibility.

Bigdogdaddy:I worked for a roofing manufacturer years ago. They had a plant that refined the oil and it did smell awful. Someone built a tennis club and then some upscale housing near there. Then the complaints started coming in about the smell. They brought a little device in one day that was a werid looking little fan and plugged it in. It somehow perfumed the air and you could amazingly no longer smell the stench of the asphalt. Perhaps something like this.

That seems to be all the complaining couple wants... on the grower's end.

BarkingUnicorn:log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.

Grower claims it's not a business.

Does anyone believe that that amount of pot is for personal use? Seriously look at that. And it's being grown in a makeshift greenhouse thing so you can't really argue they need to stock up for the lean season.

Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell? I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.

/I wish my neighbours would get rid of their elder trees//The strong stench of cat urine ruins a fine day

swingbozo:I'm allergic to grass. I DEMAND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS REMOVE THEIR ALLERGEN PRODUCING LAWNS!

If enough of your neighbors join you in that complaint, your demand will be met. Zoning boards are unlike courts in that the former routinely listen to the people. You just have to show up with enough people. If a zoning board can accommodate the majority's wishes within the zoning law, it generally will. If laws need to be changed, you go to the lawmakers.

When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

martissimo:BarkingUnicorn: Uh-uh. The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it. Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.

Let's say you can't stand the smell of pine trees, hell maybe you're even allergic to them. Do you think you can tell neighbors they need to cut em down?

There have been court cases over that very thing where allergic people were told to stuff it with their lawsuit

Might turn out that way here. But each case is decided on its own merits. There is no SCOTUS decision saying, "Suck it, allergy sufferers." Ours is a system of checks and balances.

doglover:What if my neighbor sets up a full scale growing operation? Zoning laws, got it covered.

But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change. That means adding to them, because all the existing laws are necessary. ;-)

"Child endangerment" is a vague term. I just googled for Oregon laws and couldn't find anything that covers "left pot where kid could get it" or "allowed kid to ingest pot." I read laws about first and second degree child neglect, endangering the welfare of a child, and child physical abuse. The last one is a classic: "any injury to a child that is not accidental." Does MJ cause any injury to children? Oh, now we need a legislative declaration that it does; the law gets bigger.

The problem is that damned Due Process Clause. The very first step in due process is "fair notice of what is prohibited." A reasonable person of ordinary intelligence must be able to determine whether an act is prohibited before he commits it, by reading the law. That's why laws specify so many prohibited items in tedious lists (bong, carburetor, hookah, vaporizer, etc.,with specific defintions). That's why MJ has to be added to existing laws, with specific MJ-related acts that are prohibited.

Would "any substance that is prohibited to persons under the age of 21" work? IDK; be worth a try.

martissimo:The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

yeah right

It sounds like second hand exposure might mellow her out.

basemetal:There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general. Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries. Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.