because i particularly wanted Leucine in, and rewad up a little and thought rather than put it in on its own, i'd use the BCAA. all the ingredients and indeed much (not all) of the details of the ingredients was gleened from MPs sites product info and/or this forum.

Mainly, i plagiarised some of the most expensive 'leading' products.

malto-dextrin, don't have great reasons (have some reasons), but just added it

if youre looking for a pump stack then that aint gonna cut it really. No need for malto for energy as you just need complex carbs from your preWO meal. Use the malto for PWO instead. If you want a NO type pump then check out the Osagi Stack in the Newsletters

As you say 'scoop', you must have mixed all this. Id be interested to know how you mixed it and worked it out, how do you know your getting that ratio with each scoop, as they are of different density?

Im doing something similar at moment and think i need to try different gram amounts of each to get best effect.

I too noticed that a lot of commercial pre workout formulas contain dextrose etc.. but as said, i dont think that is necessary, certainly not for the cee anyway, and the amount you have there may cause an energy crash during workout.

i never said "scoop" anywhere mate. If you want some premade Osagi Stack pump product go to the MP customiser and enter the rations and select tha amoutn you want mixed ready for you. As for weights get a good set of digital scales off of eBay

i never said "scoop" anywhere mate. If you want some premade Osagi Stack pump product go to the MP customiser and enter the rations and select tha amoutn you want mixed ready for you. As for weights get a good set of digital scales off of eBay

Im talking to OP johnccfc. I already have ingredients as ive said. I also have scales, thats not what im talking about.

also, I have Cell-Tech (10% creatin mono/90% dextrose) immediately after WO too, then often a protein, then finally eat.

If you take a large amount of fast acting carb/ sugar pre workout, it is considered to be likely to create a quick energy rush and crash during workout. (Sugar rushs dont last long) It is seen by most that good protocol would be protein/ slow carb (ie oats etc) pre workout and protein/ fast carb (dextrose/ malto) post workout.

My opinion, up the AAKG to 3-5g, drop BCAA's (if you want leucine it's better taken post workout, 3g pure leucine added to your post workout protein shake), lower CEE dose to 2-3g (no point in taking more than this or taking CEE and creatine mono as you body can only make use of 2-3g creatine per day in whatever form anyhow, oh and you most certainly want to ditch the cell-tech lol).

Finally do away with the malto, not needed as part of the stack and as already mentioned not the best carb source to be taking pre workout.