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I agree that Wilson has a better supporting cast, but the biggest change on our offense is the new QB. Last year Jackson had the same offense that Wilson does, but did an awful job, our leading receiver was an UDFA, I would argue that it's the change in QB that made the change in WR play and not the other way around.

This part of your argument I don't agree with at all. Who was supposed to be your leading receiver last season? Rice who was always hurt last season? Miller who was primarily blocking? Tate?

Come on now...

So Sidney Rice playing for 7 more games (Assuming he stays healthy) is whats making the differences for Seattle and not the new QB under center? Ok..

Read what I responded to in your post. No need to try to dismiss Rice to make Wilson look better...

I agree that Wilson has a better supporting cast, but the biggest change on our offense is the new QB. Last year Jackson had the same offense that Wilson does, but did an awful job, our leading receiver was an UDFA, I would argue that it's the change in QB that made the change in WR play and not the other way around.

This part of your argument I don't agree with at all. Who was supposed to be your leading receiver last season? Rice who was always hurt last season? Miller who was primarily blocking? Tate?

Come on now...

So Sidney Rice playing for 7 more games (Assuming he stays healthy) is whats making the differences for Seattle and not the new QB under center? Ok..

Read what I responded to in your post. No need to try to dismiss Rice to make Wilson look better...

I'm not dismissing Rice. Your right last year was a mess at WR for us, but our leading receiver was an UDFA and the only difference this year is that Rice is still healthy. Not sure what you're going for here?_________________

I think Tannehill is a much more established pro quarterback. If he has the weapons Wilson has, he would be much better.

I remember in the preseason, when it was pretty much general consensus that seattle had no playmakers or reliable weapons on offense. I'm trying to figure out what has changed since then_________________

I think Tannehill is a much more established pro quarterback. If he has the weapons Wilson has, he would be much better.

I remember in the preseason, when it was pretty much general consensus that seattle had no playmakers or reliable weapons on offense. I'm trying to figure out what has changed since then

Don't even try this cop-out, Imani. You know I'm not going to let you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You said this a little over a week ago:

imani wrote:

DontTazeMeBro wrote:

Are we just listing anyone now? Russell Wilson isn't top 25. Tate and Rice are average. Has Irvin done anything outside of that Green Bay game? And who is John Ryan? Their punter?

Well, he had 2 sacks in that game....he has 7 on the season. Tate has also proven to be explosive and a little more than average this year. He's a solid #2. Sidney Rice is still a top 20 WR, you can see what his first healthy season since favre is doing for him.

And then there's also Zach Miller who is a solid TE at worst(I still think he's a good TE) and Doug Baldwin although Baldwin has dealt with a lot of nagging injuries and some drops. Oh and who can forget Marshawn Lynch.

And you admit that Wilson has a top 20 WR and a solid #2 WR...so yea..._________________

I think Tannehill is a much more established pro quarterback. If he has the weapons Wilson has, he would be much better.

I remember in the preseason, when it was pretty much general consensus that seattle had no playmakers or reliable weapons on offense. I'm trying to figure out what has changed since then

Don't even try this cop-out, Imani. You know I'm not going to let you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You said this a little over a week ago:

imani wrote:

DontTazeMeBro wrote:

Are we just listing anyone now? Russell Wilson isn't top 25. Tate and Rice are average. Has Irvin done anything outside of that Green Bay game? And who is John Ryan? Their punter?

Well, he had 2 sacks in that game....he has 7 on the season. Tate has also proven to be explosive and a little more than average this year. He's a solid #2. Sidney Rice is still a top 20 WR, you can see what his first healthy season since favre is doing for him.

And then there's also Zach Miller who is a solid TE at worst(I still think he's a good TE) and Doug Baldwin although Baldwin has dealt with a lot of nagging injuries and some drops. Oh and who can forget Marshawn Lynch.

And you admit that Wilson has a top 20 WR and a solid #2 WR...so yea...

Haha, Touche

I'm calling everyone else out for saying we had no pieces on offense outside of lynch . Seahawks fans tried to tell the world we just needed an average QB at best to make a world of difference, visual aid usally helps people....stats ain't bad either. I know we have weapons_________________

I think Tannehill is a much more established pro quarterback. If he has the weapons Wilson has, he would be much better.

I remember in the preseason, when it was pretty much general consensus that seattle had no playmakers or reliable weapons on offense. I'm trying to figure out what has changed since then

Don't even try this cop-out, Imani. You know I'm not going to let you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You said this a little over a week ago:

imani wrote:

DontTazeMeBro wrote:

Are we just listing anyone now? Russell Wilson isn't top 25. Tate and Rice are average. Has Irvin done anything outside of that Green Bay game? And who is John Ryan? Their punter?

Well, he had 2 sacks in that game....he has 7 on the season. Tate has also proven to be explosive and a little more than average this year. He's a solid #2. Sidney Rice is still a top 20 WR, you can see what his first healthy season since favre is doing for him.

And then there's also Zach Miller who is a solid TE at worst(I still think he's a good TE) and Doug Baldwin although Baldwin has dealt with a lot of nagging injuries and some drops. Oh and who can forget Marshawn Lynch.

And you admit that Wilson has a top 20 WR and a solid #2 WR...so yea...

Haha, Touche

I'm calling everyone else out for saying we had no pieces on offense outside of lynch . Seahawks fans tried to tell the world we just needed an average QB at best to make a world of difference, visual aid usally helps people....stats ain't bad either. I know we have weapons

Hey, I tried to tell people that Seattle had better weapons than they were given credit for. _________________

I think Tannehill is a much more established pro quarterback. If he has the weapons Wilson has, he would be much better.

Based on what? Tannehill has thrown for 6 TDs, and 11 INTs, I do not care what kind of team you're on, that is awful. Tannehill has had moments where he looked brilliant, but he has also has had just as many moments that leave you shaking your head. Wilson does not make nearly as many of those boneheaded mistakes.

Mechanically Wilson is also the superior QB at the moment. He has a very high overhead release. In fact his release point is so high that it was measured as being higher than that of most 6'4 Quarterbacks. Tannehill on the other hand has a very odd release. This has actually been a major contributor to his problems. Tannehill has an extremely low, knuckleball like release. This is the reason why Tannehill has so many batted balls, Wilson on the other hand has very few despite being 6 inches shorter.

Another distinct advantage Wilson holds over Tannehill is that Wilson is already a master at looking off the safeties. He manipulates defenses with his eyes, and that is a very important trait for any NFL QB. This is probably Tannehill's biggest flaw. In college I noticed it, and it has carried over to the NFL. Tannehill had the tendency to staredown receivers too much, and at the college level DBs keyed in on it and made him pay his second season.

Wilson is the more cerebral QB at this point, but that is to be expected. Wilson has ran the WCO for three years in college and a more traditional play action oriented pro-style offense at Wisconsin. He has had five years (including 2007 redshirt) of experience in an NFL style offense. Tannehill has only had a season and a half in a collegiate offense that was more spread than not. Because of Tannehill's size and his extremely good pocket presence (and lack of experience to some extent) I'd say Tannehill has more upside than Russell Wilson. However for just this season I think you would have to be crazy to go with Tannehill. Russell Wilson is the better QB right now. He has more experience and he is playing fundementally sound football. He knows the tricks of the trade while Tannehill is still very raw.

I don't know... it is kind of hard to see what you mean by "smoking" Wilson.

Love how this gets ignored. The only thing Tannehill is better at is the amount he throws it

I could go compare Alex Smith statistically to a number of great QBs right now and argue that he's superior. And yet Alex Smith might just be benched for his backup.

Stats aren't at all the end all be all especially for rookie QBs. People are ignoring it because any idiot can google their name and find those stats on the ESPN or nfl.com pages that pop up.

Want something to be acknowledged? Do some real analysis.

Stats are actually a great justification for the way a player is playing. You're really going to imply that they are somehow meaningless because they're easily accessible? You're really going to say that Wilson being better in literally every single category doesn't indicate anything?

Give me a break about analysis. I've watched 10 games of Wilson's and am known in the Seattle forum as one of his biggest doubters, yet even I can see that he's progressing quite nicely and playing damn well for a rookie. You don't even have the sample size to call what you do analysis._________________ '
Richard D!ck Sherman 4 Prez

Russell Wilson is a rookie though jrry. And he has improved a lot since Week 1. Russell Wilson isn't throwing the ball less because he can't, it's because it isn't in Pete's philosophy to do so when the game is close.

And in regards to playing on the road, he had a solid game against the 9ers. He even played well against the Lions, but the D kept giving up points.

The only things that Ryan Tannehill has over Russell Wilson is height. It's fair enough that you think Ryan Tannehill is better, but some people in here act like Russell Wilson is Derek Anderson.