John Lear stated that ATS was a CIA front on C2C

You're going to report my post to the mods because I gave my opinion...I'm sorry...fact of Richard Hoagland (who has been thoroughly debunked time
and time again) and yeah, his book Dark Mission was full of blurry photographs that proved nothing. And I will say it all again. You're not gonna
censor my opinion. You sure YOU don't work for the government?

And don't call me ignorant because I don't agree with you on something. That makes YOU look ignorant. So go ahead and report me to the mods for
giving my opinion. That makes you no better than the CIA.

Originally posted by QBSneak000
Man this is laughable. Why the hell would the CIA need this site as a front.....what to listen to what us crazies have to say?

For two reasons.
1. to get our IP address and study our behaviours as a way to use the patriot act against us.
2. To have writen proof/evidence in court if there were any of us prosecuted in court, as a terrorists for expressing our views.

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
...He said that his ban from ATS was a government cover up or some huge steaming pile of BS. This just confirms what I've thought all along. That
John Lear is a loonatic that's full of crap and nothing more.
[edit on 5/21/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

There are 9 people around the fire - (the number is irrelevant...to some extent) - one person whispers into the ear of the one next to them, and so on
and so forth until the last person tells the story passed on to the group as a whole.

And what he shares has almost no resemblance to what the first persons story was.

If you want to know what happened, the information...email between ATS ADMIN (S.O.) and John Lear is on the net.

You will see that what happened is as much fault of one side as it is the other...its basic human communication, or lack thereof.

Its a story that now is branching out into the wild..."John Lear claimed they banned him because they are a CIA front..." - ah, no...his story,
again with the messages between he and ATS Admin, are out there for all to read.

He merely suggested in a video with Project Camelot that ATS was a CIA front.

Is this just hard feelings? Again, egos make mountains out of mole hills...any ego, Im not singling anyone out. (As I mentioned, as much blame goes to
both sides in this case...as typically is with any egoic 'story'/drama)

The best thing is to drop the stories and realize the sillyness...
In a sense a thread like this has already been covered elsewhere, and thus I dont expect it to stay around that much longer.

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
You're going to report my post to the mods because I gave my opinion...I'm sorry...fact of Richard Hoagland (who has been thoroughly debunked time
and time again) and yeah, his book Dark Mission was full

No. I reported you because you're way off topic. you took the opportunity to attack RH and the topic is not even about him. this is about JL, not RH.
Who are we kidding are you a disinfo agent or something? trying to make the guests of coast to coast look looney is not cool. George Noory sent me and
I been a loyal fan of C2C all my young life. that's why!

Well to clear up my information I know BOTH sides of the story. I have a U2U from a mod that was kind enough to explain it to me from ATS's side of
the story AND I've seen Lears side of the story. I'm sorry, but ATS's side of the story makes ALOT more sense.

Well I'm sorry for attacking your God in a thread about John Lear. I'll leave it alone. I've already debunked Hoagland thoroughly in other
threads, so you're right. This is not the place for it. But your still acting like a child because I stated my opinion. And THAT is uncalled for.
I should report you. But I digress. I'm going to stop before there's a repeat of John Lear and we both get banned for arguing.

Jedi no!!! I liked the b/w Saprano shot avatar. Oh well. Look. The way I look at this is JL is borderline nuts. Call it what you will. And if the gov
wants me they know where to find me. See you in the rabbit cage. Unlikely at best.
Kindest Regards
John
Must have funked out some mods lately. My shot total has stagnated.

Originally posted by SystemiK
Dude, you gotta learn to take everything with a grain of salt. Just because JL (who has everything to gain and nothing to lose) says something
about ATS does not make it true by default.

I know it doesn't but who are we to judge JL and his testimony? the guy says he got banned because the CIA set up a member front in here. I think the
chances of that are 99.9% possible. Now i'm not saying that the CEO's are members of the CIA, but it's all possible that the CIA had agents come in
here to try to stop JL's research and moon base informations. He speaks of a front, that's more than 4 people coming in here as agents, hired to
destroy his personal credibility. I for one am a defender of people who fight for the truth and justice. So can we please stop with all the ignorance
and STOP calling JL a Looney?

Originally posted by SystemiK
Dude, you gotta learn to take everything with a grain of salt. Just because JL (who has everything to gain and nothing to lose) says something
about ATS does not make it true by default.

I know it doesn't but who are we to judge JL and his testimony? the guy says he got banned because the CIA set up a member front in here. I think the
chances of that are 99.9% possible. Now i'm not saying that the CEO's are members of the CIA, but it's all possible that the CIA had agents come in
here to try to stop JL's research and moon base informations. He speaks of a front, that's more than 4 people coming in here as agents, hired to
destroy his personal credibility. I for one am a defender of people who fight for the truth and justice. So can we please stop with all the ignorance
and STOP calling JL a Looney?

Okay, look, John Lear may be nuts, he may not. All I'm saying is that every time i've talked to him, he's made completely off the wall,
REDICULOUS claims with NO PROOF whatsoever to back it up. NONE. At all. I'm sorry, but I think that makes ME crazy to believe someone that
makes such claims with no proof. and THAT is ignorance.

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
Well to clear up my information I know BOTH sides of the story. I have a U2U from a mod that was kind enough to explain it to me from ATS's side of
the story AND I've seen Lears side of the story. I'm sorry, but ATS's side of the story makes ALOT more sense.

Ummm...no, you didnt read - but that is understood.

The exact happenings is posted...I mean the actual dialogue, which you can follow between John Lear and S.O. - why read second hand info...this is how
stuff gets out of hand.

If you read it, a lot will make sense.
Again, not making sense in that J. Lear is right or S.O. is right - this is the whole issue that caused the mess to begin with - that is the issue of
who is 'right'. (Typical in 'communication)

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Don't get this thread closed for simple Terms and Conditions violations.

You're totally right. And I am being civilized. this thread should stay open for obvious reasons. For now, I don't want to be labeled "Captain Save
JL" So i'll take a break and think about JL's ATS accusations. Hard to take right now, if it's true. See you all later.

I didn't claim to have read the actual post. maybe I wasn't clear in what I wrote. I said I had a U2U from a mod and i saw what john lear said
himself about it. I can't help it that John tells two different stories of why he was banned.

Links to the discussion please?

(Not to mention, everytime I hear about the story from John's side, it gets more and more grandiose, while every time I hear ATS's side, it stays
constant)

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
I didn't claim to have read the actual post. obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I said I had a U2U from a mod and i saw what john lear said
himself about it. I can't help it that John tells two different stories of why he was banned.

Links to the discussion please?

[edit on 5/21/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

I know you didnt claim to read the messages between S.O. and John Lear. I see with you this can go on all day.

You felt offended that I said you didnt read, so you had to point out I didnt...with a statement that showed you again didnt read.

Im not picking on you, nor am I angry. Its actually funny as it demonstrates the nature of human communication. (root in the mind...ego)

In situations like this, I typically post once, if the person doesnt get it...I stop.
But I thought I would test it out to see if perhaps you would read and get where Im coming from...but I dont believe that will be the case. (not that
this makes me better than you...)

Again, here is a tip...look past what you think Im saying to what Im saying...look past the words and the conditioned way you have of viewing them, to
where they are pointing too.

This post may help enlighten you as to what happened.

See our ability to communicate...well, doesnt exist.

Same with J. Lear and S.O.
Two people talking in stories and not playing in the same 'universe' as each other.
Im using different words that may help in order to look past the words being said, to that which is actually being said.

Originally posted by FaxMachine
I can bet 100 dollars this thread is closed in one hour. Why because the crows are spamming.

I bet its closed, as this topic has already been covered.

There is a thread in which people can discuss John Lear and his many ideas - one being that he suggested ATS is a C.I.A. operation.

Another reason is because, it really doesnt go anywhere.
Two guys had a fall out - (C.I.A. related or not) - thats end of story.
Anything else from their lack of understanding each other just leads to more grandiose stories.

Maybe its because i'm used to people bieng real and saying what's on their mind instead of speaking...er..writing in riddles. why don't you just
say what you mean instead of talkin out the side of your mouth? I'm not angry or mad at you, I just am amused that you think we're supposed to be
on the same page when your not clearly saying what you mean to say. Normally I don't respond to this stuff, but I think I will this time to see if
you get my point.....

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