Looking for a program to run on XP to remotely watch what my kids are doing, something like a keylog

Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
you suggest??

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Tory Brown wrote:
> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
> you suggest??

Yeah, it's called trust, I'd suggest discussing this issue with your
children rather than snooping on their activities.

If you have a solid reason to believe that their activities on the
internet / pc are against a sound moral or ethical base, then again,
I'd discuss this directly with them, rather than spying. I assume they
want to trust you as much as you want to trust them.

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On 31 May 2005 15:09:40 -0700, "c0ntex" <> wrote:
>Tory Brown wrote:
>> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
>> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
>> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
>> you suggest??
>
>Yeah, it's called trust, I'd suggest discussing this issue with your
>children rather than snooping on their activities.
>
>If you have a solid reason to believe that their activities on the
>internet / pc are against a sound moral or ethical base, then again,
>I'd discuss this directly with them, rather than spying. I assume they
>want to trust you as much as you want to trust them.

Jim Watt <_way> wrote in
news:
> On 31 May 2005 15:09:40 -0700, "c0ntex" <> wrote:
>
>>Tory Brown wrote:
>>> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
>>> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
>>> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
>>> you suggest??
>>
>>Yeah, it's called trust, I'd suggest discussing this issue with your
>>children rather than snooping on their activities.
>>
>>If you have a solid reason to believe that their activities on the
>>internet / pc are against a sound moral or ethical base, then again,
>>I'd discuss this directly with them, rather than spying. I assume they
>>want to trust you as much as you want to trust them.
>
> seconded.
>
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
>

I agree with both of you: a relationship based on mutual understanding and
trust is what is desired.

Which leads me to question: Why then are so many on this forum so eager to
spy on employees?

Jim Watt <_way> wrote in
news:
> On 31 May 2005 15:09:40 -0700, "c0ntex" <> wrote:
>
>>Tory Brown wrote:
>>> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
>>> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
>>> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
>>> you suggest??
>>
>>Yeah, it's called trust, I'd suggest discussing this issue with your
>>children rather than snooping on their activities.
>>
>>If you have a solid reason to believe that their activities on the
>>internet / pc are against a sound moral or ethical base, then again,
>>I'd discuss this directly with them, rather than spying. I assume they
>>want to trust you as much as you want to trust them.
>
> seconded.
>
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
>

I agree with both of you: a relationship based on mutual understanding and
trust is what is desired.

Which leads me to question: Why then are so many on this forum so eager to
spy on employees?

Tory Brown tried to express the following opinion:
> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
> their computer

In some countries that is illegal.
People have actually been jailed for this.
(No, I do not have any links, sorry)

"Tory Brown" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
> you suggest??
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Tory

Re: Looking for a program to run on XP to remotely watch what mykids are doing, something like a keylogger. TIA!!

Tory Brown wrote:
> Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
> logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
> their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
> you suggest??
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Tory

On 01 Jun 2005 01:04:55 GMT, "nemo_outis" <> wrote:
>I agree with both of you: a relationship based on mutual understanding and
>trust is what is desired.
>
>Which leads me to question: Why then are so many on this forum so eager to
>spy on employees?

The situation is different, the equipment is provided solely for the
purposes of work not recreation, and its not 'spying' its control.

Of course we trust our suppliers, bank statements, etc but we employ
accountants to ensure the bills are correct, and we employ an auditor
to check the accountants. its part of a system of necessary checks
and balances to ensure the thieveing scum one employs does some
occasional work.

Jim Watt <_way> wrote in
news:
> On 01 Jun 2005 01:04:55 GMT, "nemo_outis" <> wrote:
>
>>I agree with both of you: a relationship based on mutual understanding
>>and trust is what is desired.
>>
>>Which leads me to question: Why then are so many on this forum so
>>eager to spy on employees?
>
> The situation is different, the equipment is provided solely for the
> purposes of work not recreation, and its not 'spying' its control.
>
> Of course we trust our suppliers, bank statements, etc but we employ
> accountants to ensure the bills are correct, and we employ an auditor
> to check the accountants. its part of a system of necessary checks
> and balances to ensure the thieveing scum one employs does some
> occasional work.
>
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
>

Re: Looking for a program to run on XP to remotely watch what mykids are doing, something like a keylogger. TIA!!

nemo_outis wrote:
> Jim Watt <_way> wrote in
> news:
>
>
>>On 31 May 2005 15:09:40 -0700, "c0ntex" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tory Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>>Someone told me that there was an app out there similar to a key
>>>>logger that would let you see real-time what your kids were doing on
>>>>their computer, anyone heard of that?? Is there something similar that
>>>>you suggest??
>>>
>>>Yeah, it's called trust, I'd suggest discussing this issue with your
>>>children rather than snooping on their activities.
>>>
>>>If you have a solid reason to believe that their activities on the
>>>internet / pc are against a sound moral or ethical base, then again,
>>>I'd discuss this directly with them, rather than spying. I assume they
>>>want to trust you as much as you want to trust them.
>>
>>seconded.
>>
>>--
>>Jim Watt
>>http://www.gibnet.com
>>
>
>
>
> I agree with both of you: a relationship based on mutual understanding and
> trust is what is desired.
>
> Which leads me to question: Why then are so many on this forum so eager to
> spy on employees?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>

Can't speak for the employer/employee relationship, but in a school
environment we monitor for three reasons:

1) They WILL try to break stuff given half a chance, either physical
stuff or the school rules. We have to monitor in order to see help
prevent this. Not of course that that would have caught the kid who put
a jam sandwich in the CDRom drive.....

2) We have a requirement to exercise 'duty of care' to our students.
That means we have to prevent them being exposed to materials which are
unsuitable for them. Just because a 16 year old boy might not be shocked
by a picture of two people having sex the 11 year old girl sitting next
to him might well be. As it is not possible for our filtering company to
filter all pornography we have to be able to find/trace/filter sites on
our own. We also have to find this material when they bring it in by pen
drive and distribute it or print it out.

3) They take a far more flexible approach to the law than we do. Our
computer system is provided for them as a means for learning; not as
somewhere to keep their pirated mp3 collections.

As somebody at one of the security companies said to me once when I said
that part of me didn't feel happy spying on them; "Yep, we're all good
liberals in IT. Unfortunately the students aren't"

Ashp <> wrote in
news::
> nemo_outis wrote:
>
>> Smacks to me of rationalization and hypocrisy.
>>
>> Regards,
>
> Unfortunately there are people out there that look at peedoporn,
> accidentally download malware from IM or webmail, do no work and use
> the Internet all day etc.
>
> The reasons for the control is too protect the company. If you don't
> exert control, somebody somewhere will abuse it.
>
> Ash.
>

Uhh, no. It has been long established that an atmosphere of mutual
trust and responsibility is far more productive than trying to run an
office like an electronic sweatshop or panopticon-style prison.

Yes, there are some employees who may look at porn, goof off, etc. -
there are those who will abuse and misuse any system. This is - first
and foremost - a management failure, not an employee failure. But
moving beyond that one, manages exceptions (e.g., rulebreakers) by
exception, not be establishing a hostile environment where management
spies on everyone to catch the few. That is the mentality of the police
state.

The primary supervison method is managing by results, managing outputs,
not inputs. Even a minimally comptent manager will quickly learn who is
not producing without having to spy.

The mania for control is a substitute for good management by those
incompetent to provide it. Most employees are eager to do a good job,
and it's folly to poison that relationship to catch the few exceptions.
As Fritz Perls wisely observed, "Don't push the river, it flows by
itself."

> Can't speak for the employer/employee relationship, but in a school
> environment we monitor for three reasons:
>
> 1) They WILL try to break stuff given half a chance, either physical
> stuff or the school rules. We have to monitor in order to see help
> prevent this. Not of course that that would have caught the kid who
> put a jam sandwich in the CDRom drive.....
>
> 2) We have a requirement to exercise 'duty of care' to our students.
> That means we have to prevent them being exposed to materials which
> are unsuitable for them. Just because a 16 year old boy might not be
> shocked by a picture of two people having sex the 11 year old girl
> sitting next to him might well be. As it is not possible for our
> filtering company to filter all pornography we have to be able to
> find/trace/filter sites on our own. We also have to find this material
> when they bring it in by pen drive and distribute it or print it out.
>
> 3) They take a far more flexible approach to the law than we do. Our
> computer system is provided for them as a means for learning; not as
> somewhere to keep their pirated mp3 collections.
>
> As somebody at one of the security companies said to me once when I
> said that part of me didn't feel happy spying on them; "Yep, we're all
> good liberals in IT. Unfortunately the students aren't"

A mania for control overlaid on a deep distrust and suspicion of your
charges and a determination to spy on and control them. What a wonderful
example of mature adulthood to set for the youth.

It sounds, rather than working at a school, that you would be more at
home running, say, a minimum security prison. Then you could fully
induge your "Mr. Bumble the beadle" needs while kidding yourself about
how you really have "the best interest of the kids" at heart. Have you
considered a career in law enforcement?

Re: Looking for a program to run on XP to remotely watch what mykids are doing, something like a keylogger. TIA!!

nemo_outis wrote:
> Uhh, no. It has been long established that an atmosphere of mutual
> trust and responsibility is far more productive than trying to run an
> office like an electronic sweatshop or panopticon-style prison.

Sources?
> Yes, there are some employees who may look at porn, goof off, etc. -
> there are those who will abuse and misuse any system. This is - first
> and foremost - a management failure, not an employee failure. But
> moving beyond that one, manages exceptions (e.g., rulebreakers) by
> exception, not be establishing a hostile environment where management
> spies on everyone to catch the few. That is the mentality of the police
> state.

What are we talking about here? Are we talking about blocking sites,
blocking firewall ports, blocking MP3s on servers, logging web access,
or actively spying on people? There is a line here, and depending on the
company this line can be at different points.

Re: Looking for a program to run on XP to remotely watch what mykids are doing, something like a keylogger. TIA!!

nemo_outis wrote:
> andy smart <> wrote in
> news:d7kct4$vkc$:
>
>
>
>>Can't speak for the employer/employee relationship, but in a school
>>environment we monitor for three reasons:
>>
>>1) They WILL try to break stuff given half a chance, either physical
>>stuff or the school rules. We have to monitor in order to see help
>>prevent this. Not of course that that would have caught the kid who
>>put a jam sandwich in the CDRom drive.....
>>
>>2) We have a requirement to exercise 'duty of care' to our students.
>>That means we have to prevent them being exposed to materials which
>>are unsuitable for them. Just because a 16 year old boy might not be
>>shocked by a picture of two people having sex the 11 year old girl
>>sitting next to him might well be. As it is not possible for our
>>filtering company to filter all pornography we have to be able to
>>find/trace/filter sites on our own. We also have to find this material
>>when they bring it in by pen drive and distribute it or print it out.
>>
>>3) They take a far more flexible approach to the law than we do. Our
>>computer system is provided for them as a means for learning; not as
>>somewhere to keep their pirated mp3 collections.
>>
>>As somebody at one of the security companies said to me once when I
>>said that part of me didn't feel happy spying on them; "Yep, we're all
>>good liberals in IT. Unfortunately the students aren't"
>
>
>
>
> A mania for control overlaid on a deep distrust and suspicion of your
> charges and a determination to spy on and control them. What a wonderful
> example of mature adulthood to set for the youth.
>
> It sounds, rather than working at a school, that you would be more at
> home running, say, a minimum security prison. Then you could fully
> induge your "Mr. Bumble the beadle" needs while kidding yourself about
> how you really have "the best interest of the kids" at heart. Have you
> considered a career in law enforcement?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>

I assume that you are offering to come and explain to the parents of our
students that we shouldn't do everything in our power to prevent them
accessing pornography which distresses others? And that we should let
some students misuse our computer system to the point at which their
activities cause distress to their children or prevent them learning
while we fix the system

We permit them wide-ranging access to sites which inform them, but not
sites which provide material which is inappropriate; we belive that a
school is for finding material from which to learn. What would be your
suggestion for persuading them that some sites do not consitute that? I
can assure you that however reasonably you tried to persude them by
arguement they'd laugh in your face and do it anyway

Frankly I have considered a career in law enforcement, and were a
suitable way to use my talents in that area to arise I'd consider
applying. Unlike some I don't believe that law enforcement is bad, as it
is through laws and their enforcement that we create a society in which
utopian fantasists can exist without fear for their lives or property.

> I can assure you that however reasonably you tried to persude them by
> arguement they'd laugh in your face and do it anyway

"...they'd laugh in your face and do it anyway." What a revealing
statement - about you, not them!

I spoke of your suspicion and mistrust of the children in the previous
post, but I was wrong. This goes far beyond mere suspicion or mistrust -
your total hostility and utter contempt towards them comes shining through.

> Frankly I have considered a career in law enforcement...

Guantanamo might be a good place for you to put your talents to full use.

Ashp <> wrote in news:1117638123.14988.0
@sabbath.news.uk.clara.net:
> nemo_outis wrote:
>
>> As Fritz Perls wisely observed, "Don't push the river, it flows by
>> itself."
>
> Just because you can't see the force moving the river, doesn't mean the
> river is moving by itself.
>
> Ash.
>

You have a marvellous ability for completely missing the point. Is it
innate or did you have to cultivate it?

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