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Speeches of Menominee chiefs at a council in Green Bay, Oct. 22-23, 1832

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swered, tnat he had made himself acquainted with all that had been done about this business from the beginning; and, to guard against any mistake or misunderstanding; in this council, he had employed Charles A. Grignon as interpreter, who understood their language very well, and whose charac¬ ter was unimpeachable. With this they were greatly pleased, and then retired.
Monday', October 22.—At the agency house at Green Bay. Present, his excellency G. B. Porter, Governor; Charles A. Grignon, interpreter; CoL George Boyd, Indian agent; Richard Pricket, interpreter; and a large con¬ course of citizens.
The chiefs and head-men of the Monomonies being introduced* the go¬ vernor arose and addressed them at great length; explained to them the several provisions of the treaty which they had entered into with their great father, the President of the United States; expatiated upon the bene¬ fits secured to them by it; and stated the causes which had operated to pre¬ vent the ratification of it by the Senate of the United States. That the New York Indians had, last winter, sent on a deputation to Washington City to oppose the treaty. That knowing the great importance to all concerned of having an end put to the unfortunate controversy, which had so long been carried on, their great father sent for him, (the governor) and instructed him to meet the deputations from the different tribes, and endeavor to effect an arrangement which would be satisfactory to them and just to the Govern¬ ment. That he proceeded to Washington accordingly, and he would now explain to them, minutely and fully, ail that had been done. He then re¬ ferred to his- report made to the Secretary of War, on the 3d day of Febru¬ ary, IS32, and recapitulated the several propositions therein contained, and what the New York Indians had at last said they would agree to. That, after a satisfactory arrangement had been made with the Stockhridge, Mun- see, and Brotheriown tribes, by which they were to be located on the east side of Lake Winnebago, to be paid for their improvements, &c, &c, the Six Nations and St. Regis tribe insisted upon an additional quantity of land, on the north side of Fox river, to the amount of at least 200,000 acres, to be laid off along the southwest line of the tract designated and set apart for the New York Indians in the late* treaty, and to extend up Fox river as Jar as the lower Una oj Grignon's farm. That, in answer to this, he had informed them that the land thus described, between the old mill-dam and Grignon'sline did not belong to the United States. That, by the treaty, it was reserved to the Menomonies; and hence he could not un¬ dertake to give it to them. That this did not satisfy them, and no arrange¬ ment was effected. » *
That he would here show them the final proposition drawn tip by Samuel W. Beall, (who was now present listening to what he said,) and signed by Daniel Bread, at Washington, on the 14th January, 1S32, in which it is stated, that uif the commissioners could guarantee an exchange of two hun¬ dred thousand acres, on the north side of this tract (five hundred thousand acres) for a like number to be added to the south side, the undersigned would agree to a settlement. But to effect this, the commissioners declare that they have no power/5 (The paper was exhibited to them.)
He wished that they might understand him perfectly. No final arrange¬ ment was made, because these New York Indians insisted upon having the land from the old mill-dam up to Grignon's lower line, and extending back along the southwest line of the 500,000 acres set apart for them by the

Speeches of Menominee chiefs at a council in Green Bay, Oct. 22-23, 1832

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Boyer, Joshua

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Washington, D.C.

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Washington, D.C.

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1835

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English

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Wisconsin Historical Society

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2005

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In 1821 a delegation of New York Indians, forced to leave their lands in the East, had met with the Menominee and Ho-Chunk to negotiate for lands in Wisconsin. After a decade of conflict and misunderstanding, the U.S. government attempted to arbitrate between the New York Indians and the Menominee. Joshua Boyer took these minutes at a council held in the autumn of 1832 to persuade the Menominee and Stockbridge Indians to come to terms. In the speeches recorded here, Menominee chief Grizzly Bear and five other leaders explain why the Menominee would not give away any more land to the New York Indians. The speeches of both the white officials and the Menominee leaders reveal much about their motives, priorities, and styles of argument. In the end, the Menominee and the New York tribes agreed to exchange lands on opposite sides of the Fox River. For more background, consult the Dictionary of Wisconsin History and the tribal home pages linked elsewhere at Turning Points.

We believe that online reproduction of this material is permitted because its copyright protection has lapsed or because sharing it here for non-profit educational purposes complies with the Fair Use provisions of the U.S. Copyright Law. Teachers and students are generally free to reproduce pages for nonprofit classroom use. For advice about other uses, or if you believe that you possess copyright to some of this material, please contact us at asklibrary@wisconsinhistory.org.

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2005

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TP115001

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[23d Cong., 1st sess. Senate] Doc. 512

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29 [ 5h2 },
swered, tnat he had made himself acquainted with all that had been done about this business from the beginning; and, to guard against any mistake or misunderstanding; in this council, he had employed Charles A. Grignon as interpreter, who understood their language very well, and whose charac¬ ter was unimpeachable. With this they were greatly pleased, and then retired.
Monday', October 22.—At the agency house at Green Bay. Present, his excellency G. B. Porter, Governor; Charles A. Grignon, interpreter; CoL George Boyd, Indian agent; Richard Pricket, interpreter; and a large con¬ course of citizens.
The chiefs and head-men of the Monomonies being introduced* the go¬ vernor arose and addressed them at great length; explained to them the several provisions of the treaty which they had entered into with their great father, the President of the United States; expatiated upon the bene¬ fits secured to them by it; and stated the causes which had operated to pre¬ vent the ratification of it by the Senate of the United States. That the New York Indians had, last winter, sent on a deputation to Washington City to oppose the treaty. That knowing the great importance to all concerned of having an end put to the unfortunate controversy, which had so long been carried on, their great father sent for him, (the governor) and instructed him to meet the deputations from the different tribes, and endeavor to effect an arrangement which would be satisfactory to them and just to the Govern¬ ment. That he proceeded to Washington accordingly, and he would now explain to them, minutely and fully, ail that had been done. He then re¬ ferred to his- report made to the Secretary of War, on the 3d day of Febru¬ ary, IS32, and recapitulated the several propositions therein contained, and what the New York Indians had at last said they would agree to. That, after a satisfactory arrangement had been made with the Stockhridge, Mun- see, and Brotheriown tribes, by which they were to be located on the east side of Lake Winnebago, to be paid for their improvements, &c, &c, the Six Nations and St. Regis tribe insisted upon an additional quantity of land, on the north side of Fox river, to the amount of at least 200,000 acres, to be laid off along the southwest line of the tract designated and set apart for the New York Indians in the late* treaty, and to extend up Fox river as Jar as the lower Una oj Grignon's farm. That, in answer to this, he had informed them that the land thus described, between the old mill-dam and Grignon'sline did not belong to the United States. That, by the treaty, it was reserved to the Menomonies; and hence he could not un¬ dertake to give it to them. That this did not satisfy them, and no arrange¬ ment was effected. » *
That he would here show them the final proposition drawn tip by Samuel W. Beall, (who was now present listening to what he said,) and signed by Daniel Bread, at Washington, on the 14th January, 1S32, in which it is stated, that uif the commissioners could guarantee an exchange of two hun¬ dred thousand acres, on the north side of this tract (five hundred thousand acres) for a like number to be added to the south side, the undersigned would agree to a settlement. But to effect this, the commissioners declare that they have no power/5 (The paper was exhibited to them.)
He wished that they might understand him perfectly. No final arrange¬ ment was made, because these New York Indians insisted upon having the land from the old mill-dam up to Grignon's lower line, and extending back along the southwest line of the 500,000 acres set apart for them by the