Fate/Apocrypha – 11

This week’s episode was big moment after big moment — and I was loving every moment of it!

General Impressions

Picking up right where things left off last week, I felt a little letdown after seeing how quickly Siegs and Mordred’s fight came to an end. Seeing how you had two heroic spirits duking it out, I was really hoping for some more actual fighting rather than a giant lightsaber battle. As a small consolation, I’ll admit that watching Mordred beat the crap out of a weakened Sieg was pretty satisfying. Not because of any dislike for any of the characters, but just for the mere fact that Mordred couldn’t care less about her current state and simply wants to destroy Sieg.

That said, it’s not like things weren’t exciting this episode. Following the quick end of Sieg and Mordred’s confrontation, we got to see just how disgusting Spartacus could be. And don’t get me wrong, when I say disgusting I mean it in both the literal (gross) and the descriptive (holy cow what power) sense. Seeing how his Noble Phantasm was an augment to his body rather than some kind of powerful move, it was rather fitting that someone who loved to take damage would take that characteristic and utilize it to its fullest potential. Thinking back to how he took a huge attack (and survived) from Atlanta’s Noble Phantasm, I kind of wished they showed us the entire scene of Spartacus transforming into that giant blob of “rebellion”.

Shifting gears to the story itself, boy has it been a while since we’ve seen the plot move forward. At the heart of it all, all the players are fighting for the Greater Holy Grail and it’s nice to see that we’re almost to the point where the Grail itself will show itself. While I’m a little curious about why it’s so damn big, it’s appearance should mean that the battle is about to reach an apex. However, with everything being a little off in this Greater Holy Grail War, it’s probably not too crazy to assume that something out of the ordinary will probably happen before we get to see the actual grail.

Overall, another pretty good episode that set up a lot of things. With both Team Red and Team Black ready to rip each other’s throats out and Sieg a very safe distance away from everything, I can’t wait to see just what happens next week. If I had to pick one thing that I want to see most though, it’d have to be Vlad getting forced to use his Noble Phantasm. Something tells me it’ll be related to the vampire part of his history and boy do I love it when we get to see Vlad angry. Anyways, I’ll catch you guys next week — see you then!

Please be courteous and add Spoiler Tags to any spoilers. Lots of comments this week — I’ll be more active with monitoring.

Its based on the concept of homonculi acting as conduits. If Illya can act as a conduit for a holy grail due to her heart, then Sieg can act as a conduit for Siegfried by having his literal heart. Because Siegfried is now a heroic spirit, Sieg gets quasi command spells which enforce his will over Siegfried’s manifested form. However, Sieg is just a mass produced homonculi unlike super special Illya; so his projection capacity is limited to a short timer before his body gives out.

This also operates along the same premise of Shirou containing Avalon within him. Just as Shirou can tap into Avalon, Sieg can tap into Siegfried’s noble phantasm. Nobody is really aware of this in the setting because none of the characters are familiar with the specifics of the latest Fuyuki Holy Grail War.

The real question is why do I have to explain this to anybody who claims to have watched the other Fate anime before.

Well even when I prefer Arturia form the original Fate Stay Night I must admit her male counterpart Arthur has a more powerful Noble Phantasm, Excalibur Proto has an Anti-Antiplanet classification, meaning that at full power it can and will destroy thearts that could destroy all the planet!.

Yes. Siegfried slayed a fucking dragon as a mortal, for fucks sakes. Mordred’s greatest achievement happened after she died. But Sieg was not at full power since he doesn’t have any prior experience fighting or in complete control of his powers.

Yeah, it´s not a full possesion like Shirou Kotomine stated, it´s more like the kind fusion Yuji Sakai and the Snake of the Festival had in Shakugan no Shana, Sieg is the conduit for Siegfried but it´s like Siehgfried is doing all the fighting.

They’ve completely changed the first Sieg and Jeanne meeting, by replacing it by an an anime original episode (episode 5).After its first meeting, Sieg and Jeanne are going to live together at the old man’s home in the LN, in the anime they decided to keep them separate. All the romance scenes between Sieg and Jeanne of the vol. 2 has been cut from the anime.

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Just as the light novel’s readers had said, Jeanne d’Arc is all-defense. She’s got next to no attack, she focuses purely on defense, she has EX rank magic resistance because it was summoned in special class “Ruler”, and her only real strength is the ”Command Spells” to control the servants tha she received by being summoned in special class “Ruler”.

The character has had their daddy issues for as long as they’ve been alive anon
which has been what, 5 years?
she’s a semi retarded wierd little cunt with no hope of ever being mentally unfucked
ever.
the only fun to her is laughing at her and the circumstances of her birth.

She was conceived between Artoria and her sister, Morgan le Fay, through unorthodox circumstances. Artoria, normally female, was a pseudo-male at the time due to Merlin’s magecraft, so Morgan enchanted her with a spell to extract sperm from her. Morgan developed it within her own ovary, and made the child into a homunculus clone of Artoria.

Yeah but that’s not what Astolfo does. He helps yeah, but he is not the one winning at the end and is just a helper at best and a spectator at worst. He is just there to take Caules and Leticia out of the collapsing gardens.

Technically Sieg is a servant as even Jeanne confirms later that Sieg had become a Heroic spirit in live. We are just arguing over technicalities but the novel never says that Astolfo won at the very least.

it good you want to be the wannabee internet police an make sure the “bad people” stay in line asking question they should not but helpful advice goes lot further, here is a quote on “WHY” you cannot watch it yet.

“Aniplex has announced that the TV anime adaptation of Fate/Apocrypha will be presented on Netflix’s streaming service outside Japan starting on November 7th. Co-creator Kinoko Nasu planned and supervised the story of Red and Black factions of masters/servants, which was originally introduced as an eventually cancelled MMO game.

The series is listed for a two-cour, 25 episode run starting this summer.”

What is the deal with Spartacus anyway? If he could convert damage he took into power, how the hell was he captured so easily by the Black faction? He could’ve shrugged off Vlad’s stakes easily and continued his rampage. I guess he intentionally betrayed Red faction because of his rebellion nature, but, what was even the point and what does he even want?

Starting out materializing the spikes out of the ground makes sense, he’s hitting his target and he doesn’t want to give away his trump that that he doesn’t even need to stab his opponent and can just materialize the stakes mid-stab right out of his opponents body.

And after this reveal of how he could just keep popping spike after spike after spike right on target he… goes back to sticking them out of the ground and flying them through the air and missing?

Jeanne uses 5 of her CS to buff Karna, Achilles, Chiron, Atalanta, and Avicebron while the six of them fight vampire Vlad. They plan on keeping him occupied so the sunlight will weaken him, because apparently Karna’s armor doesn’t count. He also isn’t weak to being stabbed through the heart, because that’s the first thing Karna does to him, despite Dracula being killed with a knife to the heart. No one ever uses an actual NP, and Jeanne also never uses the Baptismal Sacrament that she’s fully capable of using despite it rendering Vlad completely helpless the moment Shirou touches him by making it a contest of faith instead of strength, so Shirou takes him down all by himself despite saying that Jeanne’s a far greater saint than he is.

It’s a fight written solely for the purpose of making Shirou look cool. They hype up the vampire and make him seem unstoppable by picking and choosing classic vampire weaknesses and when they affect him, make everyone fighting him act braindead, and especially fuck over Jeanne who has a skill explicitly telling her that something like a Sacrament would work perfectly, so that when he manages to push past them and Shirou solo’s him it looks super cool and sets him up as a threat.

It’s even worse because he only manages to get past them because of Shirou getting all the contracts in the first place. So it doesn’t even manages to make Darnicula look cool, as it starts strong but after a while he gets cornered.

They got to null that by the end with Karna flames as far I remember. At the very least Vlad wasn’t able to flee through them so they were able to habve him cornered and taking damage.

It’s kind of funny because they used a MMORPG approach against him.

Why would you think Joan of Arc would be capable of using a baptismal sacrament?

Because that is exactly what she does do in FGO to help save Siegfried, and she also exorcises Jack later on in Apoc. It’s a canonical part of her skillset, that she just doesn’t use because if she did there’d be no way of making Shirou look good during his big reveal.

Joan of Arc would be capable of using a baptismal sacrament?
Isn’t she a ruler and supposed to be legit saint with said Sacred powers? I believe Martha or George have some sacred skills that can deal with Darnicula?

The questions I have published above, which some have doubts about.
Here are the answers:

- Isn’t she a ruler
Yes, she gets the ability to see all servants true names and command seals. Thats all it does.

- supposed to be legit saint
Yes

- said Sacred powers
Which ones, all Jeanne could do was supposedly hear the voice of god, and heres the description of the saint skill.

Saint (聖人, Seijin?) indicates being acknowledged as a saint. When summoned as a Servant, the ability of saint is selected one among “raising the effectiveness of sacraments”, “automatic HP recovery”, “1 Rank-Up to Charisma” and “production of a holy shroud is possible”.

Siegfried is stronger than Mordred. All she’s got is a laser sword and a helmet that hides her identity. Siegfried’s got a laser sword and dragon skin, which is actually useful. Plus he’s a dragon slayer which makes him effective against Mordred who inherited the dragon factor from Arthuria. He’d win 10/10. Sieg only lost here because there was a slight hesitation on his part. This is his first real fight and all. Otherwise, he got EVERYTHING Siegfried had. Memories, experiences, combat abilities.

As for Jeanne, she’s a perfect Ruler and she’s not just a tank. She’s got one other NP and its got some real bite.

@Takaii That’s the Greater Grail. The grail we’ve seen in FZ and S/SN UBW is the lesser grail.

Literally bullshit, this is merely a headcanon/fanwank based on waifufag said and can easily be refuted by Type-Moon wikia (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ruler_(Fate/Apocrypha). Jeanne is possessing a human body, an unprecedented summoning with a very weak link to the current world, so she has a number of irregularities that do not plague regular Servants. She has the physical abilities of a Servant, but since she is linked to a physical human body through the realm of the unconscious, she has to carry on her life as a human . She cannot turn into spiritual form, and she must deal with the body’s needs of hunger and sleep.

she’s not just a tank.

The true Jeanne D’arc never has been a fighter. And Apo Jeanne is a flag holder and not really supposed to be a fighter. If Jeanne is summoned using 7 normal class, she would be summoned as Caster.

She’s got one other NP

You’re referring to the Jeanne’s most powerful NP called ”La Pucelle”. its a suicide-type NP that can only be used once in exchange for her life.

I said perfect Ruler. Not perfect servant. She’s well equipped for fulfilling her duties as Ruler, focusing mainly on defense and having a super offensive NP where it counts. The limitations of her regular summoning haven’t impeded her work.

Rulers are supposed to be make sure no one cheats and the war doesn’t go out of control. The fact that Shirou doesn’t give a shit and Jeanne is awful at it is another story. Avengers are just an extra class that the Einzbern hacked into the war and takes the place of Berserker.

She said it herself a while ago that as a Ruler she wouldn’t favor any faction, yet from the looks of it, Jeanne would even make an exception if it’s concerning the GaryStu MC or Astolfo.
Should’ve left that MartyStu Asshat and his Gay lover for double suicide, that would be oh so romantic ending for two useless characters ffs.

Why is there a retarded redditor shitting his meaningless hate boner outside reddit that nobody cares about?
Please fuck off back to reddit and take your meaningless hate boner with you.
No wonder people hate redditors and his shit community.

@Wrangler Don’t worry bro, its just a single retarded redditor shitting his shit outside reddit, he did the same shit last week. Then, just ignore him and move on.

You could just ask the grail to make it possible for you to impregnate Astolfo in his male form. Oh, and if possible, he should be able to breasfeed without his breasts getting bigger.
Astolfo without a dick is not Astolfo.

I swear, at this point I’m more or less watching this only because of Sieg and Astolfo.
It’s not that I hate or don’t care about the plot or the other servants (I absolutely like Karna, for starters) but Sieg and Astolfo completely steal almost all of the best parts of the anime.

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