Arn't Bonnie and Clyde the bad guys there, they do rob banks and murder people. Hardly the work of a good person and it's the police who are doing there job at the end and catch the bad guys in one respect. Sorry to get technical

Arn't Bonnie and Clyde the bad guys there, they do rob banks and murder people. Hardly the work of a good person and it's the police who are doing there job at the end and catch the bad guys in one respect. Sorry to get technical

its a bit murky- they are killers but the film casts them as rebels and when the law catches up with them you do sympathize with them at the end.

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Matchstick Men Watchmen - although I have debated that one with friends Pitch Black Rosemary's Baby

Have to admit, I like it when the end of the film flies against convention

I'd argue that the bad guy doesn't get away with it! One reason why - Rorshach's journal! (and the comicbook is same aswell)

Yes - see I had the same-ish debate but technically, the "bad guy" still wins because Ozy's plan is still a success. Albeit than in the future, the journal might get printed, and it is possible that the publication may get some acknowledgement but that won't happen overnight and as long as Manhattan is off-world, it's too great a risk to believe he did nothing. Therefore Ozy has pulled off the con that Manhattan was responsible,creating world peace and what would be basically little more than a conspiracy theory in the press (the journal) will seem as unbelievable to Joe Public and governments alike as it initially was to the the Daniel and co. So, my point is that whatever is eventually published, it will end up as nothing more than a "Who Really Killed Kennedy" argument that will rumble on but never be resolved - Ozy still wins !

Matchstick Men Watchmen - although I have debated that one with friends Pitch Black Rosemary's Baby

Have to admit, I like it when the end of the film flies against convention

I'd argue that the bad guy doesn't get away with it! One reason why - Rorshach's journal! (and the comicbook is same aswell)

Yes - see I had the same-ish debate but technically, the "bad guy" still wins because Ozy's plan is still a success. Albeit than in the future, the journal might get printed, and it is possible that the publication may get some acknowledgement but that won't happen overnight and as long as Manhattan is off-world, it's too great a risk to believe he did nothing. Therefore Ozy has pulled off the con that Manhattan was responsible,creating world peace and what would be basically little more than a conspiracy theory in the press (the journal) will seem as unbelievable to Joe Public and governments alike as it initially was to the the Daniel and co. So, my point is that whatever is eventually published, it will end up as nothing more than a "Who Really Killed Kennedy" argument that will rumble on but never be resolved - Ozy still wins !

Plus it would get published in The New Frontiersman which is just a right-wing bullshit rag (probably would be read by Tea-partyers in real life).

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1 and 2 arent that clear cut- 1 ends in pretty much stalemate as does two. It isnt until episode three the tables really turn. And even then, of the two "big bads" one is left burning on the floor in pieces. Still rubbish though.

If i suggested Starship Troopers, would i get laughed off the forum? In a sense that the foolishly misguided invasion (followed by an alleged meteor shot out of orbit from another solar system presumably resulting from a plasma ejection from an insects ass) is "successful" and by the end continues on in order to wipe out the insect scum? Sound like bad guys to me.

1 and 2 arent that clear cut- 1 ends in pretty much stalemate as does two. It isnt until episode three the tables really turn. And even then, of the two "big bads" one is left burning on the floor in pieces. Still rubbish though.

If i suggested Starship Troopers, would i get laughed off the forum? In a sense that the foolishly misguided invasion (followed by an alleged meteor shot out of orbit from another solar system presumably resulting from a plasma ejection from an insects ass) is "successful" and by the end continues on in order to wipe out the insect scum? Sound like bad guys to me.

Its pretty clear cut.Palpatines plan was to become Chancellor of the republic during Episode 1.He succeeded.Sure he lost Darth Maul but that was a setback he was probably expecting.Chalk a win for the bad guys here.

Palpatines plan in episode 2 was to divide the republic by instigating a war that would ultimatley give him military strength.He succeeded and the Jedi failed to capture Dooku.Chalk a win for the bad guys here.

In episode 3 he manages to turn Anakin to the dark side to be his new apprentice,wipes out nearly all the jedi and becomes Emperor.Chalk up a BIG win for the bad guys here.

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I'm going to add Skyline to the mix. Humanity is essentially FUBAR by a nigh unstoppable force, despite the way the main characters' story ends.

If by 'bad guys' you mean the people who made that terrible film, and if 'wins' equates to taking my slightly hard earned money then, yes, they won. I think that might be the worst film I've seen at the cinema. At least all the garbage I've rented cost less.

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The Departed, the reputation of Matt Damon's character is not damaged but his forehead is and Mark Wahlberg is kind of dick in that movie

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