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^ I believe it is safe to say the music for all movies thus far has been godly Whom do i need to abduct in order to get my hands on that soundtrack ...

This movie was once again a pretty delightful treat - Kara no Kyoukai continues to deliver a pretty memorable performance, atmosphere and mood being the strong points of it. (The excellent cinematography, visual quality and musical score contribute very nicely towards that goal).

A rather 'slow' episode in a way, but it had some of the explanations about Shiki's character that we needed, character building and how she ended up working for Touko. I liked the detail how she literally saw things falling apart (flesh included), not just the lines - it isn't that surprising one would consider clawing out their own eyes at that. There is little to none i can complain about here, except the next one not being here soon enough

The preview showed us some pretty interesting things, should be good once it gets here.

Small question, it may be answered on the link that was posted though i'll ask it anyway. Is Shiki able to control when she sees the lines? Probably not, though that's just the feeling i get with the fact that her eyes basically turn on and off when she chooses. Something probably not apart of the original novel as much as these movies.

The fact Touko is the creator of the mystic eye killers in Tsukihime and Fate would suggest that Shiki in fact can't turn her eyes off, at least not entirely. Otherwise there'd little reason for Touko to bother developing them. (but who knows with the way all this crazy Nasu continuity stuff works. >_>)

Though for a more related example, even though her eyes were initially "off" in Movie 3, Shiki still noticed Fujino's ruptured appendix.

So long story short, Shiki probably always sees something, but she doesn't see the full extent of the lines nor can she trace them unless she turns her eyes "on". And since Shiki has a taste for murder and all that, she probably just doesn't mind.

4th movie was great. I wasn't so big on the action for this one. But the void in the beginning....that was just amazing. And yes the whole character bits in this episode were great. It definitely shined alight on Shiki's despair.

The fact Touko is the creator of the mystic eye killers in Tsukihime and Fate would suggest that Shiki in fact can't turn her eyes off, at least not entirely. Otherwise there'd little reason for Touko to bother developing them. (but who knows with the way all this crazy Nasu continuity stuff works. >_>)

But if I remember correctly, Kara no Kyoukai happens in a parallel universe to that of Tsukihime. There was also something about Nasu once saying that the Tsukihime world and Rakkyo world can't coexist at the same time because of some random restrictions he himself put up. Which gives... yeah, I don't know. This is really Nasu-ish.

Also, as for the eyes, while I can't provide an explanation if she's actually able to turn off her eyes completely or not, you gotta remember that Ryogi comes from a "special" family and she was being trained ever since she was born. So unlike Tohno, she's able to accept stuff like the lines way faster without getting too strained by it.

But if I remember correctly, Kara no Kyoukai happens in a parallel universe to that of Tsukihime. There was also something about Nasu once saying that the Tsukihime world and Rakkyo world can't coexist at the same time because of some random restrictions he himself put up. Which gives... yeah, I don't know. This is really Nasu-ish.

Also, as for the eyes, while I can't provide an explanation if she's actually able to turn off her eyes completely or not, you gotta remember that Ryogi comes from a "special" family and she was being trained ever since she was born. So unlike Tohno, she's able to accept stuff like the lines way faster without getting too strained by it.

I don't believe its a parrallel world considering Touko is technically Aoko's (tohno's sensei/miss blue boomer w/e u want to call her lol) sister, they have a direct link so i think that cancels any parallel world theorem.

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I don't believe its a parrallel world considering Touko is technically Aoko's (tohno's sensei/miss blue boomer w/e u want to call her lol) sister, they have a direct link so i think that cancels any parallel world theorem.

It certainly depends on the word of god by the author and makers what is canon.

Just figured out a godly thing, isn't Shiki's voice cast same as Ciel from Kuroshitsuji? Was taking a nap while playing the movie and thought it's really similar.

Yes, it is the same seiyuu, Sakamoto Maaya

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I don't believe its a parrallel world considering Touko is technically Aoko's (tohno's sensei/miss blue boomer w/e u want to call her lol) sister, they have a direct link so i think that cancels any parallel world theorem.

It IS a parallel universe. The biggest point was that Nasu claimed there cannot be more than one human with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
The setup and all are completely compatible, but Nasu weirdly restricted both stories as it will not happen at the same said "universe".
You can say that Rakkyo and Tsukihime are spin off of each other.

^ I believe it is safe to say the music for all movies thus far has been godly Whom do i need to abduct in order to get my hands on that soundtrack...

The OSTs of the movies are available with the limited editions of the dvds.

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The setup and all are completely compatible, but Nasu weirdly restricted both stories as it will not happen at the same said "universe".

Actually because of some "research" somebody is doing in KnK's world, it makes them incompatible with each other. Mostly due to Arcueid's existence in Tsukihime...
So in order came to fix that Nasu came up with the previously mentioned "Mystic Eyes" clause.

I suppose, I don't ever remember hearing about Mystic Eyes as being only one person at once, considering the possibility behind them is open to anyone, it just takes unlocking the circuit in your brain. Its just an extremely rare occurrence. However no point in arguing with the authors call.

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It IS a parallel universe. The biggest point was that Nasu claimed there cannot be more than one human with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
The setup and all are completely compatible, but Nasu weirdly restricted both stories as it will not happen at the same said "universe".
You can say that Rakkyo and Tsukihime are spin off of each other.

Wait in Tsukihime Touno and Nanaya had the same ability ... give or take, right?

For Rakkyo, I put up a post here with some general info and several images, since they are hard to come by.

Wait in Tsukihime Touno and Nanaya had the same ability ... give or take, right?

Spoiler for Tsukihime, End of Arcueid Route:

No, SHIKI does NOT have the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
He basically sees the lines of Life. If he disrupt them or drain them, it is equal to death.
The real Mystic Eyes of Death Perception affects the origin of all things, the "flaws" within any entity, living beings/objects alike and allow the user to annihilate its existence itself. SHIKI's Magan use the same concept of "lines", therefor, SHIKI/Roa thought they have the exact same ability than Shiki's but he was utterly wrong from the very beginning.

The former has no effect against objects and basically kill as if it was a life force draining skill, while the later obliterate literally the target.
This is the reason why Shiki says the famous quote

No, SHIKI does NOT have the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
He basically sees the lines of Life. If he disrupt them or drain them, it is equal to death.
The real Mystic Eyes of Death Perception affects the origin of all things, the "flaws" within any entity, living beings/objects alike and allow the user to annihilate its existence itself. SHIKI's Magan use the same concept of "lines", therefor, SHIKI/Roa thought they have the exact same ability than Shiki's but he was utterly wrong from the very beginning.

The former has no effect against objects and basically kill as if it was a life force draining skill, while the later obliterate literally the target.
This is the reason why Shiki says the famous quote

"I'll show you what it means to kill things"

Spoiler for Tsukihime:

Yes, I remembered ... it's been quite a while since I played the game and even longer since I watched the anime. Though, it still seems too much of a technicality to discard the possibility and potential of a cross-over

Now that I gave it a little thought, Shiki's circumstances are very similar to Touma's (from Index), but the way the two shows handled it is completely different.

Spoiler for 2nd & 4th Movie Plot Details:

Something I can not really get || accept is that during the 2nd and 4th chapters it is implied that SHIKI (male) was in control constantly, but rather let shiki (female) act most of the time. OK, this was the protecting and loving part of SHIKI, but ... when he disappeared, shiki should not feel so disconnected with her past, since she was practically the active "personality". Hence almost all of their memories should be a result of her actions and thus except from the loniless and insecurity, she should not feel any kind of disconnection!

Spoiler for Question based on the 4th Movie:

And by the way, have I missed it or there is no reason given for SHIKI's disappearance?!?!?

Something I can not really get || accept is that during the 2nd and 4th chapters it is implied that SHIKI (male) was in control constantly, but rather let shiki (female) act most of the time. OK, this was the protecting and loving part of SHIKI, but ... when he disappeared, shiki should not feel so disconnected with her past, since she was practically the active "personality". Hence almost all of their memories should be a result of her actions and thus except from the loniless and insecurity, she should not feel any kind of disconnection!

Well, they'll touch more on this later, but to give you an explanation suggested by chapter 4 in the novel:

Spoiler for :

Shiki was originally both Shiki and SHIKI at the same time. They may have been able to "switch" between the two of them, but in the end they were always not only watching each others actions, but in fact acting in unison. That's why their ability can't be called something as simple as dual personalities; they had unison of will and purpose. In a way, you could consider the two Shikis closer to different "moods" than "split personalities".

So when SHIKI dies, it's basically the same as killing the whole. For example, if you remove half a book, can you still say you're reading the same story? Continuing that train of thought, the Shiki in chapter 4 is no longer the composite being known as Ryogi Shiki, and that's why she feels completely separated, even from her own memories. By removing the part of herself that is SHIKI, it's like she's lost half of her own will, and thus she's become a different person from one 2 years ago. Now in general that may sound like sophistry, but because of the way her bloodline ability works that fact is far more pronounced in her mind.

To get a basic idea for it in the movie, rewatch the section where Shiki and Touko are talking about how they'd classify Shiki's two personalities (composite individual personalities or whatever it was) or SHIKI's explanation of the two sides in movie 2.

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Spoiler for Question based on the 4th Movie:

And by the way, have I missed it or there is no reason given for SHIKI's disappearance?!?!?

For simplicities sake: Because Shiki's head connected with a moving vehicle.

So long story short, Shiki probably always sees something, but she doesn't see the full extent of the lines nor can she trace them unless she turns her eyes "on". And since Shiki has a taste for murder and all that, she probably just doesn't mind.

I can accept that, especially when we've seen Shiki slice the smoke from Touko's cigarette without having the eyes turned 'on', together with Fujino's ruptured appendix.

omg, the 4th was awesome too, from the opening part to the end. The fighting scene alway can't get enough, I think the fighting part must match with that bgm, too short. and sad to see SHIKI gone too . After watching this episode, more understand to the story and working with her because can murder?