((Vaell's point doesn't stand either anyway. Starting with the fact that I go by mostly my IC knowledge(considering OOC I know close to nothing more in any case) we have the fact that these people, whoever they are, killed a death knight. I know, IC and OOC not much more. Now, unless we want to say that death knights are just people with odd blue eyes, to kill one needs at least an organized group and, I 'd add, at least one or two people in said group able to use the Light. Sure it's not a thing the common citizen of Stormwind could pull off. This narrows the field quite a bit and, in the moment in which a group of people, namely the Disciples, is so terribly overt against death knights(which the common citizen is not, by lore: sure they could be in private, but it's not a public thing and for obvious reasons, could not and should not be), have the organization and the means to do such a thing, it's only natural that the first suspicion IC gets towards them. Sure it'd be natural for most of the rped death knights.

I rp the hatred towards them, but it's really hard to believe that responsible of such a murder, on an IC level, could be the commoner who at best looks at you angrily, when on the other side you've a bunch of people who shouts directly at you that you should die and try to arrest you, or to be given the rights to, without the glimpse of an excuse.))

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That being said, there's more to blame than just NPC's and the DoL. I'm sure your plots are so interwoven with the DoL that it makes sense to blame the DoL, but don't limit yourself to just one group. Open it up, try not to make the RP inclusive to one Guild only, and branch out.

Blame the Worgen who lost their homes very recently to the undead (Albeit not DK's, but some may have been DK Forsaken)

Blame the Night Elves who see the DK's as an affront to nature.

Blame the Draenei who are doing the Naaru's twisted work by slaying all those who reject the Light.

Blame the Dwarves who were drunk! I don't know!

Just don't limit yourself to one particular group of RPers, that's all I'm saying.

((And your example of blaming mage NPC's was a terribad example when I know for a fact there's a lot of Mages in SW and Alliance in general)).

At Longknife however...

To say you can't include NPC citizens, then use that as justification that you can blame the DoL is just absurd. Nay, lunacy! For all the reasons I've just posted, expand your scope and don't just ICly blame one faction, when there are so many other groups, and individuals who are capable of such power with or without the church. Especially when this thread has hinted/explained that it was in actual fact just two Gnomes. I could go into the strengths and weaknesses of Gnomes but that's really not the point of this post. Just because your character might be super strong, it doesn't necessarily mean that this nameless faceless DK had the capabilities to defend themselves against some opportunitist bigots.

Edit: I really like your second letter. Much better! I hope it brings you more RP.

((As aforementioned, considering the fact that Anethion as organization has gone rogue and hardly has the numbers to organize death knights hunts, the only suspect who remains are indeed the Disciples. They've shown clearly abuse and prejudice, and scarce desire to keep their most noisy members on a more tight leash. Need to mention that some of their members have been Anethion sympathizers? Aside my personal knowledge, it's hard not to think they could be involved, from an IC pov. As such, I think it'd be only natural that, if the murders keep going, they'd undergo an investigation, at the very least.))

(( I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. Death Knights are hated by a lot of people, they're undead and the undead have murdered hundreds (thousands, even) of loved ones to even the citizens of Stormwind. This city is meant to be full of NPCs, coming to the conclusion that a holy guild that hasn't had a past of hunting DKs must be responsible despite evidence pointing towards a couple of gnomes - which the Regiment has RPed out successfully. It's not ICly logical, evidence at the scene from both a magical, physical and witness standpoint says otherwise. It seems a little much to put Disciples at the top of your list when they had no affilitation with the DK just because they've shown prejudice in a city where a hell of a lot of citizens would have shown the exact same amount but unfortunatly they cannot be RPed. Please don't ruin what might be the start of a very exciting piece of RP by jumping the gun. TL;DR Evidence only shows that two gnomes attacked. ))

(( Evidence showed no gnomes attacked..Rumour mill activity indicated about the gnomes and when Lavian presented the regiment with the slain dwarf, the guy in charge of investigating the corpse had no idea about the murder to begin with. So regardless if it's a case of some other part of the regiment that found this out or such it doesn't change anything in that the DK populace interested in this "case" only know about the gnomes through "rumours". Regardless this is why I intend to find Adrielle at some pointwho I OOCly know isn't up to date on this regardless but IC is IC Granted if there is evidence, this evidence hasn't reached those of us who are investigating it ourselves. So OOCly as I am just finding out now.. I now know there is evidence and whatnot of these "gnomes" and i'm only learning this off your post Vaell days later. ICly however I still don't know, or Duveinaeth for that matter, hence her paranoia into the issue.

However on saying all this Lavian did inform Duavneith to take it all with a grain of salt and to not point fingers. Lavian herself doesn't think the disciples would be that bold to do such a thing but she's commited to the idea it was someone specialised atleast off the truesilver arrow she found off the corpse(according to Burgen). Now I just need a wild Wulfgnar to respond to the letter already. ))

_____________________________________________________"Lavian" - Former Scourge officer, Knight of the Ebon Vigil.

Just to address the points of each person (and I apologise if some of it is mumbo-jumbo, I'm tired):

Duv:The second letter is a lot better! My only concern was that this could end very quickly, as most cultist related stuff does. From the way Wulfgnar described the scene and the effort she has clearly put in, It'd be a massive shame to see it being solved so quickly. I just think it may be best if this becomes something much bigger. It's undeniable that our server is on one of its declines atm and won't pick up for another month or two, so something like this is enough to keep the Regiment, your DKs and others busy in the meanwhile (for those of us that enjoy cultist hunting rp). I'm not trying to have a go at you as you know I'm a big fan of yours, I'm just suggesting it fleshes out a little more.

Erwten:Yes, NPCs aren't there and we can't RP with them but we can react to them through our characters. A man is excused of a crime and the Regiment put him in the stockades as RPers throw fruit at him. He's briefly embarassed. Now, that man pretends that he's also watched by a crowd of fifty more people, laughing and throwing their own fruit - he's humiliated. Do you see where I'm going with it? NPCs can provide you with characteristics. It's like when you see people just perform crimes in plain sight of NPC guard outposts or when people were dumping bodies without thinking about a more subtle way to dispose of them. In regards to this case, the inclusion of NPCs/more suspects allows for a more fleshed out story to thrive. Overall, it'll provide everyone with more RP if we let the Hymn of Hope grow whilst our paranoia grows alongside it.

Long/Dec:I totally understand that your character might have an emotional response towards the Disciples and that's totally IC. Though, I'm just trying to point out that no matter how emotional your character may be, the path points the other way. It doesn't have any correlation to the Anethion killings - if there was a stake and fire, sure. So I'm just trying to suggest that you take that into account. If you have, then great - may the hunt begin! But also, light isn't the only thing that can kill a DK. A DK can be beheaeded - which this one was - by someone capable and that is where it seems the evidence on the scene points to, but obv your char wouldn't know that yet.

Lavian:Your character must have found the bloated, water-filled corpse of the DK as the rumour was only put up after the Regiment had dealt with it. That's just miscommunication OOC though. ICly, I'm sure Lavian will find out about that though. The Hymn covered their tracks well.

Im planning a Dm style event atm to keep us preoccupied around this subject and so it dosnt get solved in a long long time. I dont know maybe an event where we look around dwarven district for clues to blame the dwarfs. Then something else. Week by week and in the end well most likley find nothing. Dont want to find them and say here arrest them. Want to drag them out of the city ( which I have no clue if it will even be possible )

Atm personally my guild isnt gonna spend a lot of time on this subject every week. We are gonna focus on our scourge matters and from what I hear we may be having some scarlet dogs to deal with at some poin. yaaa

But ok, Just to set s0omething straight that Dawn and the shroudies were taught by me, It is completely 100% ok to make ic mistakes. Now it might be that a char is using a murder to attack a group they do not like, it might be that they have in their mind proof or even a lie that other do not know about this matter. It could be just an emotional outburst, it doesnt matter! The point is Dawny has done what she has, it has made things interesting for DoL and for Lavian, it is called RP.

The only mistake I can see is that Dawn Backed down and did the second letter, as I know it wasnt an innocent mistake and I am 100% sure She was looking to make trouble ic

So Make ic mistakes it is fine. Learn a half truth and go with it, reason be damned! It is IC, think about all the stories where someone acts tragicly not knowing the mistakes they make.

I think what vaell tried to argue was the fact that there are Rp'ers in Stormwind whom hate the undead, Disciples however are against you because well you defy the virtues entirely that's one side of it there are others who dislike you cus well some are gilnean their nation just fell to the forsaken not too long ago as for some they were citizens of Lordaeron or with even some others Citizens of Stormwind who remember full well the power of the Old Horde and their Necrolytes and the coming of the first death knights.

Which is probably why it's a bit odd DoL were singled out lol but then again most Rp'ers these days would blame a lightie order for it raining. But if that is Duvaineths IC perogattive then that is what Duvaineth will do i guess as long as it's all IC though Duv will be sorely dissappointed DoL is nothing like Chapter DoL is a diffrent machine, one people seem to get confused with such heretics as the Chapter of Antlions,Anethion,Hail the Invisible Man whatever you wanna call it lol

Burgen, no more ales for you bud. But what you say in a rather passive aggressive way is true, people are allowed to do these things ic.

Just like how Gilneans are allowed to be stupid enough to confuse a Forsaken with the Ebon Blade, and Paladins are stupid enough to Butcher the virtues to make their stupidity have some extra weight behind it

"For fels sake Duvaineth was foolish enought to mail them to herself." She mutters.

* She then begins to read her work with a grin on her face. When done she looks around making sure no one is watching her as she mutters to herself*

" Yes, yes this will bring out much into the open. Those who hide behind the Ebon Tabard yet are fakers will attack any of these groups without hard evidence. Attacking members of Alliance or Horde is considerd scarring the Ebon Blades reputation. We could claim it to be treason. If they are not killed by the living we will kill them for sure. We will Rid the Ebon Blade of all those who taint her name.

Yes yes every living is a suspect. From those mercinaries called the Blades all the way to a few members of the Disciples and many many others. We will find the truth. We cannot fail in this we must not fail or we are not worthy of this tabard. We must crush our enemies and show now mercy. We will do this alone without the help of the living"

* Grins once more as she rips the letters up tossing them into the SW cannals.*

The bird arrives one late afternoon with Lynwen standing staring blankly out over the Pig. She almost kills the bird as she comes, mumbling something about 'Fecking Archie pooping in the drinks' as she realised its a messenger crow. She takes the letter and folds it over, her glowing eyes scaning the words before she blinks, looking down at her own tabard. Black, with the symbol of a white dagger. She give a snort so loudly that Reese jumps and yells something offensive about the dead, but she is too annoyed to pay attention.She marches into the back and grabs a quill and ink, together with a new paper as she pens down a reply to Duvaineth.

"Feck off you idiot. Leave the Blades out of your meaningless ramble and focus on the bloody Light dogs. They are the one who chop heads of people because they 'think' they are guilty without proof."

Simaria wrote:The bird arrives one late afternoon with Lynwen standing staring blankly out over the Pig. She almost kills the bird as she comes, mumbling something about 'Fecking Archie pooping in the drinks' as she realised its a messenger crow. She takes the letter and folds it over, her glowing eyes scaning the words before she blinks, looking down at her own tabard. Black, with the symbol of a white dagger. She give a snort so loudly that Reese jumps and yells something offensive about the dead, but she is too annoyed to pay attention.She marches into the back and grabs a quill and ink, together with a new paper as she pens down a reply to Duvaineth.

"Feck off you idiot. Leave the Blades out of your meaningless ramble and focus on the bloody Light dogs. They are the one who chop heads of people because they 'think' they are guilty without proof."

(OOC note: Sorry for my chars language. She is horribly crude)

Recieves the letter and reads it over a few times." Foul language this one here, yes yes this one must of been amongst the living and the blades for hire for some time, do wonder though. where does this ones loyalty lay?"

* She grabs some ink and quill writting the following reply on paper*

It is clear you must work for the blades for hire sister. There is no proof who is behind this and we must be logical and look at every possibility until some evidence is found. Duvaineth will be straight forward with you.

We cannot outrule the possibility of someone hireing the blades. A group of lighties may not wish to expose themselves. We are aware that the blades as a group are neutral in this hatred. They would not murder one of us without being provoked or without someone hireing them. If they did this because the murderd knight attacked one of them, we will forget it even happened. We do not and will not support any knight that harms the living when not in self defence. If the blades were hired we also have no interest in acting against them. We are not out to get the middle man puppet in such a coin for kill situation. We want the head and the group that plots and caused this murder. So sister help us with what you can. You may reveal a group behind this. Perhaps the Chapter has risen in power in some distant dark cathedral corner. You may bring us the war you clearly want with such a group of lighties.

You say they behead our kind without any hard evidence. As a knight of the Ebon Blade it is your duty to be invovled in such incidents. We must band together, for the livings judgement and lies cannot be trusted. We are forming a small archive of our own that conserns anything that has do to with our kinds interactions with the living. All of us will prevent them from excecuting our kind with little or even falsely placed evidence. Yes yes Duvaineth does not exclude the possibility of the living making some cases out to be guilty on purpose. Join us sister we must form a group that looks out for the interest of our kind who are here in the city. If we unite the living will see this. If we unite they will think a thousand times before acting against us, be that false legal statements or with sword and fire. We are alone in this sister and for now cannot trust the living.

Tonight visit Duvaineth at our embassy. Its on the outer ring of the cathedral square. You cannot miss it. The door is broken and wide open, with burned books all over the place. We have much to discuss sister.

* Duvaineth then rips up the letter she recieved and trows it on the floor amongst the ash and rubble of burned books and wood that remains of the bookcase. She then mutters* " Only if we were allowed our ghouls in this city to keep this place clean"* She kickes the litter around with an angry expression on her face*

( No need to apologise for your toons ic behaviour m8. You know me well. ic is ic and im never offended ooc. Hope you like the letter, and the key words Duv tried to use )