What did you think the Day Trip 2.0 adventure squad was going to find in the bunker? Did you see that Indra/Gaia reveal coming? Are you glad to see Murphy again? And do you think we'll see the Sky People pull a mount-weather with the nightblood?

73.25.69.82 wrote:What happened to Bellamy? I forget. I did watched it last night, But i forget what happened to him

He and Clarke went to go find the bunker along with Jaha, but the bunker proved to be a failed plan, and so they returned to Arkadia where Clarke wrote his name on the list, and Bellamy wrote down hers :)

Season 4 is continuing to exceed my expectations! And I am so so happy that Murphy has come full circle with stealing anti-radiation medicine and giving it to Abby (and that Jackson actually mentioned that explicitly on screen with the comment about Murphy's dad being floated for stealing medicine.)

Jaha just went up a huge amount of the list of characters I like after the talk he gave to Bellamy. Because Bellamy is wonderful and does not need more redemption and Jaha was the perfect person to tell him that.

Also, the scene with Bellamy and Clarke at the end was lovely.

Oh and did anyone notice the name above Bellamy's on the list was Kim Ginsburg? I thought that was pretty damn funny.

Did anyone else notice the grafiti in the second dawn bunker? I tried to make it out and all I got was "THERE IS NO SECOND DAWN, BURN IN HELL" I think there was something under it but I couldnt make it out D:

Also, the person ABOVE Kim Ginsburg was Tim Bartlett, who was actually one of the original 100. Yes, I may have spend a while re-watching early S1 to figure that out, but I just knéw that the name sounded familiar. So I went up in my screenshot archive and gave him a picture and placed him under 'alive' in the delinquent section.

Wondering if these random people (Riley, Tim Bartlett) are just put in there for the fandom to toy with between episodes, but I'm lowkey loving it. I mean this Tim Bartlett was next to Clarke on the monitors, he survivved the landing & battle with the grounders, he survived Mount Weather, he survived the whole ALIE ordeal and he somehow is important enough to be on Clarke's list of people who deserve to be saved. WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN HIM?

ok, so they open the bunker and all that is in there is a big room? kinda dissapointing from the side of the writers, this season is not all bad.... and i must say this, i dont really understand what happened in that bunker, can someone please explain? why did they die? radiation? however, great episode otherwise, loved the indra has a daughter reveal, murphy ok, a little out of his character, but sure, why not. what i loved about this episode however was that they finnaly figured out what i was thinking since season 3 finale...... why not just make everyone a nightblood. becca putting of her helmet when everyone else had to still wear it, of course she created magic blood that can cure radiation. also, fan theory:

you think maybe clarke is gonna become nightblood herself to test if they created the cure, and then she will radiate herself and thats where those scenes come from, like her being radiated and that emotional scene between her and murphy?

This episode was, from what I saw, mainly about the value of a person.

To backup my statement, I'll use a line that Luna used, "Is this my punishment for not taking the Flame?" "No one deserves this." Bellamy responded.

For my example this week, I'll use Bellamy. We know Bellamy was a scumbag back in Season 3 (Sorry Bellamy fans, but he was.) He's been trying to get redemption for the horrible things that he has done in the past, specifically killing the army that was sent to protect Skaikru. Bellamy needs to stop focusing on the bad things that he has done in his life, and focus on the good things.

I like Luna (and that's not because she's attractive) but I'm not going to get into that because there's still some controversy about the character. I will say that I called at the beginning of the episode that her Nightblood was going to save her.

Interested to see more of Gaia and how her character is going to tie into the rest of it. Also, her being Indra's daughter. Speculation: Was Indra a Flamekeeper scout? Gaia said a line that made me think that Indra was at one time, but then instead became a warrior.

I will say that because I read the books I (hate saying this term) ship Bellamy and Clarke. There was a lot of "Bellarke" moments in the episode and that made me happy. "If I'm on that list, then you are on that list". Though Brilliant, this list is going to come up in many different episodes, and I want to know if Octavia is somewhere on this list. Otherwise, I'm actually going to be pissed.

Roan was... okay this week. I realized it this week (probably late for me) but he's ruling by fear, which isn't the way his character seems to want to rule. It's not direct fear of him, however, it's fear of the flame, and how much power he holds because he has it.

Dammit, Jaha needs to stop. Cool, he has a theory and hope, but just because hope got him to the CoL (which was God Awful btw) doesn't mean he should follow hope forever now. In fact, he should resent that.

Murphy was awesome this episode. I'm glad that he stole medicine to do some good, and that he's staying in Arkadia for awhile. He's had some development that I enjoy, even though he's still fighting his own demons.

sigh* I was upset about Raven this episode. Sorry, I was. Her character has become poorly written, and all I really see her as now is a heartless "dictator", which really REALLY sucks, because she was up there on my top 3 characters of the show. I know I said that I was glad that she was taking a leadership role last week, but this was not what I had in mind when I said that.

this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

71.81.249.170 wrote:this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

-Vader25

I agree with what you said and finally liked this episode, best one so far in my opinion... And i was glad to see Luna's back, I actually like her character and expected to have already seen more of her last season. Hoping to see a lot more of her this season... better late than never !

Thank you for that, of course it was moral support as friends and not with romantic intentions... they have zero chemistry and I would hate to see them become a couple after everything that went down. It would be totally forced, weird and pointless, definitely don't want to see it happening... no way !

I watched it yesterday and don't remember every little detailI but overall I think this episode was pretty great.

We got to see more of murphy, which i think is amazing. He is overall one of my favourite characters on the show and I really look forward to seeing how he will develop further. Personally I loved how stealing the medicine tied back to his past and father. I started out not liking the Emori ordeal, as it felt a little like a forced plot device to only develop him, hence why I also don't think we'll see her much if at all in season 5 should that come. Over time though I've started taking more of a liking to her, while she still feels like a plot device, she at least develops Murphy very well. Also, since Murphy showed up late and Emori hasn't even been to Arkadia yet, how do they plan on getting onto that list? hmm?

Jasper, I have this weird love hate relationship to, on one hand I hate how he is stuck in this whole "Maya is dead and I now hate Monty, Bellamy, and Clarke becasue of it". However the way he is dealing with knowing their short amount of time is simply put hillarious. He really brings out some humour in the show, which in my opinion is pretty good.

The bunker they found was a little dissapointing to me, the trailer had it a little overhyped if I'm gonna be completly honest, however perhaps this is a sort of foreshadowing as to what they will end up doing (As in eventually they'll use some sort of bunker)

I don't really have that much to say about the ending scene with Clarke and Bellamy, I don't particularily ship them together, however I don't really see that big deal about it happening either. I personally think that throughout the seasons there has sort of been this build up to it, and if it where to happen I honestly wouldn't be too surprised. Opposed to many others I don't beleive that they would become a thing due to the show struggling to stay alive either, as I mentioned there has been a lot of build-up to it, even from season one they where they where completly oposite in personality thing going. To me it seems very planned out.

213.162.68.102 wrote: since Murphy showed up late and Emori hasn't even been to Arkadia yet, how do they plan on getting onto that list?

Potential spoilers below:

Well, from the 404 trailer and promo photos, we see them using Emori's boat. Emori knows the way to Becca's island and she can provide the fastest transportation there. Becca was the one who created Nightblood, so they might be looking for Becca's research. (Though I don't see a reason for Becca working on a radiation cure before the nuclear apocalypse. If she only started after, then all her radiation research would have been on Polaris.) Btw, Polis and Becca's island aren't that far away – any chance that Becca went home? If only to shut down A.L.I.E.? Would've saved us the whole City of Light mess ...

Would blood transfusions from Natblidas to everyone else work? I don't know how the Nightblood thing works. In real life, the wrong blood type could kill somebody, but maybe it's different when using Nightbloods?

Anyway, neither Clarke or Bellamy should be on that list. They're leaders. They should be giving their spots to their people.

I hate to say it but, for once, Jasper's right. Clarke doesn't get to choose who lives and dies, doesn't matter who's more useful. They're people, not tools that can just be discarded because they aren't "useful". She might have even separated families because some are deemed worthy enough to survive because of their skills and some aren't, but does she really think that the family members who are allowed to stay in the ship when the doors close would, if the rest of their family was casted out to die?

I believe some people might be willing to give themselves up to die, like they did in S1, to save everyone else. Some people might just want to die because they don't view life as worth anything anymore. She could have wrote somebody down on the list who didn't want to live, thus taking up the spot of a person who did want to give it a shot.

Also, Bellamy and Co. should have just brought the bomb back and used it to save the world. He, as well as anyone who supported the usage of it, really shouldn't be on that list since they are part of the reason there needs to be a list.

71.81.249.170 wrote:this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

-Vader25

Shouldn't Clarke be a nightblood already, when she got Antari blood pumped into her in the last episode of season 3.

71.81.249.170 wrote:this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

-Vader25

Shouldn't Clarke be a nightblood already, when she got Antari blood pumped into her in the last episode of season 3.

If you remember. She was starting to lose Ontari's blood and then almost died in the CoL. So, no she doesn't have Nightblood in her system anymore, her blood probably diluted out. However, Nightblood from a serum that Becca made, so if you can reformulate the serum then you can save the people from the radiation. That's where I think that the series is going at least, and I hope so (I love Science)

Dinoking745765 wrote:
Regardless of if they died due to some other unforseen reason, no one is going to want to live in a place that houses 300+ corpses.

You do what you must to survive, I suppose.

If we look closely at this, there is no place on the earth where nobody has been died. The grounders live in towns and villages destroyed by the "Pram Fire" - There were thousands, millions of dead bodies.

There were also hundreds of corpses in Polis after A.L.I.E. got destroyed. More than 300 corpses where in Mount Weather too. And these places are still, or were, inhabited. People are running out of time! There is not much time for piety or disgust.

71.81.249.170 wrote:this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

-Vader25

Shouldn't Clarke be a nightblood already, when she got Antari blood pumped into her in the last episode of season 3.

If you remember. She was starting to lose Ontari's blood and then almost died in the CoL. So, no she doesn't have Nightblood in her system anymore, her blood probably diluted out. However, Nightblood from a serum that Becca made, so if you can reformulate the serum then you can save the people from the radiation. That's where I think that the series is going at least, and I hope so (I love Science)

Lets assume that nightblood saves everybody. They are still doomed. The fishes are dead and the animals are gone. How long are they going to survive before their food runs out ? It's going to be fun to see what the writers come up with.

71.81.249.170 wrote:this episode was great and great to see how Clarke, Bellamy and Raven face their decisions. Luna is back and at the end of the episode she is all cured thanks to her nightblood. I had the same thought last night that they are going to use the nightblood like they did to the 47 in season 2 with the mountain men did, but this time with nightblood and hopefully don't kill Luna in the process. Which means Clarke becomes a new nightblood and this means-- Clarke + nightblood + Flame= Heda.

That touching moment between bellamy and Clarke was moral support as leaders and not romantic intentions.

-Vader25

Shouldn't Clarke be a nightblood already, when she got Antari blood pumped into her in the last episode of season 3.

If you remember. She was starting to lose Ontari's blood and then almost died in the CoL. So, no she doesn't have Nightblood in her system anymore, her blood probably diluted out. However, Nightblood from a serum that Becca made, so if you can reformulate the serum then you can save the people from the radiation. That's where I think that the series is going at least, and I hope so (I love Science)

Lets assume that nightblood saves everybody. They are still doomed. The fishes are dead and the animals are gone. How long are they going to survive before their food runs out ? It's going to be fun to see what the writers come up with.

Dinoking745765 wrote:
Regardless of if they died due to some other unforseen reason, no one is going to want to live in a place that houses 300+ corpses.

You do what you must to survive, I suppose.

If we look closely at this, there is no place on the earth where nobody has been died. The grounders live in towns and villages destroyed by the "Pram Fire" - There were thousands, millions of dead bodies.

There were also hundreds of corpses in Polis after A.L.I.E. got destroyed. More than 300 corpses where in Mount Weather too. And these places are still, or were, inhabited. People are running out of time! There is not much time for piety or disgust.

That's true. If the bunker was a viable solution, they could make due I guess, but they broke the door, and the door doesn't seal so...

Dinoking745765 wrote:
Regardless of if they died due to some other unforseen reason, no one is going to want to live in a place that houses 300+ corpses.

You do what you must to survive, I suppose.

If we look closely at this, there is no place on the earth where nobody has been died. The grounders live in towns and villages destroyed by the "Pram Fire" - There were thousands, millions of dead bodies.

There were also hundreds of corpses in Polis after A.L.I.E. got destroyed. More than 300 corpses where in Mount Weather too. And these places are still, or were, inhabited. People are running out of time! There is not much time for piety or disgust.

That's true. If the bunker was a viable solution, they could make due I guess, but they broke the door, and the door doesn't seal so...

I agree.When you have no choice, something is better than nothing. They never really explored the bunker. Who knows what else is in there or how long did the people survive or why did they die. If they need it, can't Raven 2.0 fix it.

Actually speaking of this, does this bother anyone else? I'm talking about the timespan of the whole series, we're told that the original hundred was sent down only 6 months ago. To me that just seems unrealistic, between all the traveling to Polis, TonDC, Arcadia, and the dropship more time must have passed, and not to speak of how quickly some of the characters got to learn the grounder language, Octavia, Kane and Clarke are practically fluent in it. I'm aware that Octavia has learnt it from Lincoln, we get a scene with that in season 2, but Clarke and Kane? Clarke only spent like 2 months ocassionally seeing Niylah. And Kane can have only really have learnt it from Lincoln and Indra, which I scincerely doubt he did a lot

A little off topic from the four horsemen episode, just popped into my mind though

Kane had a solid three months between 2.16 and 3.01 where it seems possible he could have learned Trigedasleng. And considering he and Indra are pretty good friends, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if she had taught it to him. Clarke was alone in the wilderness for those 3 months and it's possible she learned the language faster since she really needed to in order to keep herself alive.

Honestly, the timeline of the show is little wonky but the fact the characters were able to learn Trigedasleng so fast is like the least of mine concerns regarding that haha.

Also, Trigedasleng is pretty close to modern English learning the necessary parts of it wouldn't be difficult at all I imagine.

Amethystkitten wrote:Kane had a solid three months between 2.16 and 3.01 where it seems possible he could have learned Trigedasleng. And considering he and Indra are pretty good friends, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if she had taught it to him. Clarke was alone in the wilderness for those 3 months and it's possible she learned the language faster since she really needed to in order to keep herself alive.

Honestly, the timeline of the show is little wonky but the fact the characters were able to learn Trigedasleng so fast is like the least of mine concerns regarding that haha.

Also, Trigedasleng is pretty close to modern English learning the necessary parts of it wouldn't be difficult at all I imagine.

I'm aware that Trigedasleng is similar to english. It's hard not notice it, Trikru meaning wood people sounds a lot like Tree crew. However 3 months is still not a lot of time to learn a language, even if it has derived from an already known one. And not to mention Trigedasleng due to the Grounder civilization as a whole not being all that well developed, most likely doesn't have writings, which would make grammatics a living hell to learn, and not to mention dialects.

If we focus on episode 403 and 316. in "the four horsemen" Raven says it's two months away and in "perverse instantiation 2" A.L.I.E. Says there are 6 months to go, so A.L.I.E. He lied to clarke. But as we could see at the beginning of "the four horsemen" clarke says that "radiation is already here" then who do we believe?

We will have to wait longer for the story to unfold and we can see what is really going to happen

Andresm. wrote:If we focus on episode 403 and 316. in "the four horsemen" Raven says it's two months away and in "perverse instantiation 2" A.L.I.E. Says there are 6 months to go, so A.L.I.E. He lied to clarke. But as we could see at the beginning of "the four horsemen" clarke says that "radiation is already here" then who do we believe?

We will have to wait longer for the story to unfold and we can see what is really going to happen

I think the point of it constantly changing, is that no one is really sure of it. they make estimates, but it's not for certain, also we're told in S2 that skaikru, are 8 times more ressilient to radiation than grounders. Meaning that them getting radation sickness 2 months before everyone else makes sense

Andresm. wrote:If we focus on episode 403 and 316. in "the four horsemen" Raven says it's two months away and in "perverse instantiation 2" A.L.I.E. Says there are 6 months to go, so A.L.I.E. He lied to clarke. But as we could see at the beginning of "the four horsemen" clarke says that "radiation is already here" then who do we believe?

We will have to wait longer for the story to unfold and we can see what is really going to happen

I think the point of it constantly changing, is that no one is really sure of it. they make estimates, but it's not for certain, also we're told in S2 that skaikru, are 8 times more ressilient to radiation than grounders. Meaning that them getting radation sickness 2 months before everyone else makes sense

That's solar radiation, not nuclear radiation. Also, like Raven said, "It's not an exact science" and all computers really know are 1's and 0's, so all they really know is science.

But the grounders were supposed to survive the radiation the first time it happened, so they could be saved this time, although clarke says they would not be saved without the help of skykru (due to technology and all that)

Another thing I wanted to discuss, why did the girl die?
Was it for the medicine?
Or why was not it a nightblood?
Was Luna's daughter? or sister?

Andresm. wrote: ... why did the girl die? Was it for the medicine? Or why was not it a nightblood? Was Luna's daughter? or sister?

The girl, Adria, didn't die "for the medicine". She died of acute radiation syndrome (ARS), just like the rest of Luna's clan. Adria was the only one given the medicine, but it was given too late to save her life. (Chances are, it was already too late by the time they reached Arkadia.) Though it's possible that she was related to Luna, it's more likely she was an orphan. (It's mentioned in "Red Sky at Morning" that Luna's clan takes in orphans.) If the girl was a Nightblood, chances are she would've gotten better (with or without the medicine), but she wasn't a Nightblood.

I dont like how everyone accepts the fact that bellamy purposeflly killed 300 people. Clarke looks at him the same as she usually would. Except when Finn goes looking for her and didnt have the intentions of killing over 40 people she hates him and wont look at him. Bellamy went with guns with the intentions of slaughtering an army of grounders that were there to kill them.This could have resulted in Arkadia being wiped out by the 12 clans.

Aaavvvaaa wrote:I dont like how everyone accepts the fact that bellamy purposeflly killed 300 people. Clarke looks at him the same as she usually would. Except when Finn goes looking for her and didnt have the intentions of killing over 40 people she hates him and wont look at him. Bellamy went with guns with the intentions of slaughtering an army of grounders that were there to kill them.This could have resulted in Arkadia being wiped out by the 12 clans.

The end of season 2 had Clarke realise that there are no good or bad guys, just people trying to survive. Remember she herself has a kill count of almost a thousand people.

Andresm. wrote:If we focus on episode 403 and 316. in "the four horsemen" Raven says it's two months away and in "perverse instantiation 2" A.L.I.E. Says there are 6 months to go, so A.L.I.E. He lied to clarke. But as we could see at the beginning of "the four horsemen" clarke says that "radiation is already here" then who do we believe?

We will have to wait longer for the story to unfold and we can see what is really going to happen

I think the point of it constantly changing, is that no one is really sure of it. they make estimates, but it's not for certain, also we're told in S2 that skaikru, are 8 times more ressilient to radiation than grounders. Meaning that them getting radation sickness 2 months before everyone else makes sense

That's solar radiation, not nuclear radiation. Also, like Raven said, "It's not an exact science" and all computers really know are 1's and 0's, so all they really know is science.

I'm not gonna argue with exact sciences, becasue for the most part the show ignores them. I'm refering to when it was said by the scientists in Mt. weather that the radiation imunity for ark survivors are 8 times stronger than those of the grounders

Andresm. wrote:If we focus on episode 403 and 316. in "the four horsemen" Raven says it's two months away and in "perverse instantiation 2" A.L.I.E. Says there are 6 months to go, so A.L.I.E. He lied to clarke. But as we could see at the beginning of "the four horsemen" clarke says that "radiation is already here" then who do we believe?

We will have to wait longer for the story to unfold and we can see what is really going to happen

I think the point of it constantly changing, is that no one is really sure of it. they make estimates, but it's not for certain, also we're told in S2 that skaikru, are 8 times more ressilient to radiation than grounders. Meaning that them getting radation sickness 2 months before everyone else makes sense

That's solar radiation, not nuclear radiation. Also, like Raven said, "It's not an exact science" and all computers really know are 1's and 0's, so all they really know is science.

I'm not gonna argue with exact sciences, becasue for the most part the show ignores them. I'm refering to when it was said by the scientists in Mt. weather that the radiation imunity for ark survivors are 8 times stronger than those of the grounders

I remembered that Clarke said that her people were genetically enginered in season 2. She didn't say for what, but i would assume it was to survive the radiation in space.

Andresm. wrote: ... why did the girl die? Was it for the medicine? Or why was not it a nightblood? Was Luna's daughter? or sister?

The girl, Adria, didn't die "for the medicine". She died of acute radiation syndrome (ARS), just like the rest of Luna's clan. Adria was the only one given the medicine, but it was given too late to save her life. (Chances are, it was already too late by the time they reached Arkadia.) Though it's possible that she was related to Luna, it's more likely she was an orphan. (It's mentioned in "Red Sky at Morning" that Luna's clan takes in orphans.) If the girl was a Nightblood, chances are she would've gotten better (with or without the medicine), but she wasn't a Nightblood.