Has the bad personality/sheer arrogance of an artist or band ever put you off their work?

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I agree. Iwas prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while, but he's just a right-wing prat.

Talk about a gap between the art and the artist. It's difficult to believe that the xenophobic, boorish narcissist also wrote such beautiful lyrics as:

A brick in the small of the back again
I just don't belong
To anywhere
I just don't belong
"I am hated for loving"

It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind
"i Know It's Over"

Morrissey reminds me of a lot of people in the alt-right and "incel" cultures. They were often mocked for being different and strange. Instead of sympathizing with other outcast people, though, they embracing an idea that they were "superior" and they could compensate from being outsiders by hating the other outsiders -women, ethnic minorities, LGBT people, working-class people.

Thanks for the links. I'm surprised with the amount of people being brought to account for sexual crimes these days that this hasn't been made a bigger deal out of. Maybe sometime soon it will?

People don’t care. Guys like Elvis and Bowie will always be excused.

“It was a different time”
“She was old enough”
“Every girl wanted him, so what was he supposed to do?”
“She was a wh*re, so who cares?”

Just a few of the excuses I’ve seen, some of them on here.

Simon Reynolds pointed out that Gary Glitter was strongly criticized in the music press for his sexual crimes because he was seen as "naff" and "tacky" in addition to being a sexual abuser. But Reynolds also pointed out the revelations about Bowie having sex with an underage Lori Maddox didn't provoke any such criticism in the music press. Why? Because Bowie was seen as the height of cool.

I know my cousin was very upset about the Bowie /Lori Maddox scandal, because she's a huge Bowie fan and thought he was a nice guy who wouldn't exploit his fans like that.

Madonna. Just comes across as a deeply unpleasant individual.
Robbie Williams - Bellend.
Oasis- should be off badly tarmacking pensioners driveways and hounding them for thousands.
As someone mentioned above - Matt Healy. Comes across as an arrogant twonk.

I’m borderline with Guns n’ Roses at the moment, if no new material this year, they can seriously get f****d

UK & North America shows announced.

Absolutely no new material anywhere to be seen.

I’m a huge fan (as my username suggests) , but when a fan leaks more material (albeit, old songs from Chinese Democracy era) than the band within the last 20 years, then my interest in them starts to wane.

That band has no clue how to be a band.
...the management also hate the fan base which doesn’t help.

Iggy Pop sang about his sex life with a 12 year old girl and Bowie was linked to that same girl. Magazines literally called these children “baby groupies”. Harmless fun?

Well, funnily enough there was no mention of that in Debbie Harry's Autobiography, just lots of drugs and Bowie's supposedly giant penis! Can you provide me with any links about these stories? The only real articles that came up on Google were from the Daily Mail and I'd sooner jump in front of a bus than be spoon fed any of their bull****

Iggy Pop singing about famous “baby groupie” Sable Starr:

” I slept with Sable when she was 13
Her parents were too rich to do anything
She rocked her way around LA
'Til a New Tork Doll carried her away”

Thanks for the links. I'm surprised with the amount of people being brought to account for sexual crimes these days that this hasn't been made a bigger deal out of. Maybe sometime soon it will?

People don’t care. Guys like Elvis and Bowie will always be excused.

“It was a different time”
“She was old enough”
“Every girl wanted him, so what was he supposed to do?”
“She was a wh*re, so who cares?”

Just a few of the excuses I’ve seen, some of them on here.

Instead of going on witch hunts about things that happened 50 years or so again wouldnt it be nore productive to focus on whats happening now? Maybe if the authorities had done that 10 years ago thousands of underage girls wouldnt have been groomed in rochdale, rotherham and a host of other places.

In fact im beginning to wonder why theres such an obsession with the past and supposed culprits of the past (esp when theyre dead and can hardly be dug up to stand trial) when there's no shortage of things happening currently that people could be focussing on. Maybe it's to give us the illusion that everything is so much better today. That people are so much more enlightened and abuse no longer happens? It was just something that happened in the dim and distant past when practically all men were perverts (or so we're led to believe)

It’s almost like we can simultaneously care about the past and present.

When some of the men involved with underage girls are still alive, I’m fine not pretending that “baby groupies” were never a thing. How is any of this a “witch hunt”? That’s such an overused and insulting saying, especially when it comes to sex abuse.

So it's more of a witch hunt against celebs who use their celebrity status to lure and entrap sweet young things. So much worse than gang rape by a load of nobodies?

What are you on about? Who said it’s worse?

It’s really sick to play sexual abuse top trumps.

Just because gang rape happens, doesn’t mean I’m going to say “Iggy Pop bragged about his sexual relationship with a 12 year old? Ah well. At least she wasn’t gang raped”.

Thanks for the links. I'm surprised with the amount of people being brought to account for sexual crimes these days that this hasn't been made a bigger deal out of. Maybe sometime soon it will?

People don’t care. Guys like Elvis and Bowie will always be excused.

“It was a different time”
“She was old enough”
“Every girl wanted him, so what was he supposed to do?”
“She was a wh*re, so who cares?”

Just a few of the excuses I’ve seen, some of them on here.

Simon Reynolds pointed out that Gary Glitter was strongly criticized in the music press for his sexual crimes because he was seen as "naff" and "tacky" in addition to being a sexual abuser. But Reynolds also pointed out the revelations about Bowie having sex with an underage Lori Maddox didn't provoke any such criticism in the music press. Why? Because Bowie was seen as the height of cool.

I know my cousin was very upset about the Bowie /Lori Maddox scandal, because she's a huge Bowie fan and thought he was a nice guy who wouldn't exploit his fans like that.

It kinda reminds me of the recent celeb death. I won’t say his name, as I got a warning for backing up another post about the rape he committed. He was a “hero” and a “legend” who was deeply mourned. Never mind the fact he admitted to raping someone. If someone less “cool” had done that, the reaction to his death would’ve been much different.

Liked Razorlight but Johnny Borell got really arrogant (think he said he was a better songwriter than Bob Dylan once)

Borell does seem deficient in humility.

Mark Shaw from 80s band Then Jerico was very rude to other people in his TV appearance on Reborn in the USA, which put me off his music somewhat. Always struck me as somewhat overconfident too- Then Jerico developed a big, stadium-orientated style of rock without demonstrating that they could fill stadiums beforehand.

Liked Razorlight but Johnny Borell got really arrogant (think he said he was a better songwriter than Bob Dylan once)

Borell does seem deficient in humility.

Mark Shaw from 80s band Then Jerico was very rude to other people in his TV appearance on Reborn in the USA, which put me off his music somewhat. Always struck me as somewhat overconfident too- Then Jerico developed a big, stadium-orientated style of rock without demonstrating that they could fill stadiums beforehand.

Razor light are appalling songwriters. They are up there with the feeling for writing terrible songs.
Typical razorlight song

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

She pretended to be bi too. She’s a huge attention seeker.

There’s also the whole singing contest in China. Why take that opportunity away from those who need it?

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

Jessie j is a ball bag.. god she is awful. I quite liked her then saw on on the voice. What an awful person she is

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

Remember when Jessie J was bixsexual but as soon as she got a possibility for success in North America she got very haughty about the very idea and insisted she was totally straight? That was so insulting, immature and pathetic.

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

Remember when Jessie J was bixsexual but as soon as she got a possibility for success in North America she got very haughty about the very idea and insisted she was totally straight? That was so insulting, immature and pathetic.

Thanks for the links. I'm surprised with the amount of people being brought to account for sexual crimes these days that this hasn't been made a bigger deal out of. Maybe sometime soon it will?

People don’t care. Guys like Elvis and Bowie will always be excused.

“It was a different time”
“She was old enough”
“Every girl wanted him, so what was he supposed to do?”
“She was a wh*re, so who cares?”

Just a few of the excuses I’ve seen, some of them on here.

Simon Reynolds pointed out that Gary Glitter was strongly criticized in the music press for his sexual crimes because he was seen as "naff" and "tacky" in addition to being a sexual abuser. But Reynolds also pointed out the revelations about Bowie having sex with an underage Lori Maddox didn't provoke any such criticism in the music press. Why? Because Bowie was seen as the height of cool.

I know my cousin was very upset about the Bowie /Lori Maddox scandal, because she's a huge Bowie fan and thought he was a nice guy who wouldn't exploit his fans like that.

Jimmy Page was having sex with her at the same time (although probably not literally), but the difference is that he continued having sex with her for several more years. I don't remember any radio stations banning Led Zeppelin records.

Blimey O'Reilly – put Lorrie Maddox into Google Images and you'll see that she was a very busy girl indeed. The Alan Freeman Show would have been restricted to playing Elton John.

Thanks for the links. I'm surprised with the amount of people being brought to account for sexual crimes these days that this hasn't been made a bigger deal out of. Maybe sometime soon it will?

People don’t care. Guys like Elvis and Bowie will always be excused.

“It was a different time”
“She was old enough”
“Every girl wanted him, so what was he supposed to do?”
“She was a wh*re, so who cares?”

Just a few of the excuses I’ve seen, some of them on here.

Simon Reynolds pointed out that Gary Glitter was strongly criticized in the music press for his sexual crimes because he was seen as "naff" and "tacky" in addition to being a sexual abuser. But Reynolds also pointed out the revelations about Bowie having sex with an underage Lori Maddox didn't provoke any such criticism in the music press. Why? Because Bowie was seen as the height of cool.

I know my cousin was very upset about the Bowie /Lori Maddox scandal, because she's a huge Bowie fan and thought he was a nice guy who wouldn't exploit his fans like that.

Jimmy Page was having sex with her at the same time (although probably not literally), but the difference is that he continued having sex with her for several more years. I don't remember any radio stations banning Led Zeppelin records.

Blimey O'Reilly – put Lorrie Maddox into Google Images and you'll see that she was a very busy girl indeed. The Alan Freeman Show would have been restricted to playing Elton John.

There’s a documentary about baby groupies on YouTube and people predictably called the girls wh*res who “knew what they were doing” and the men were blameless victims 🤨

Jimmy Page was having sex with her at the same time (although probably not literally), but the difference is that he continued having sex with her for several more years. I don't remember any radio stations banning Led Zeppelin records.

Blimey O'Reilly – put Lorrie Maddox into Google Images and you'll see that she was a very busy girl indeed. The Alan Freeman Show would have been restricted to playing Elton John.

Wouldn't Zeppelin records have been banned for their perceived "Satanic" content, though?

Also remember- fans' beliefs play a part in the reception of these scandals. The fans of Bowie, Page and Steven Tyler include a lot of liberals (and Bowie has a couple of feminist fans too- the book How to Raise a Feminist by Allison Vale, Victoria Ralfs mentions the Thin White Duke favorably several times). These people would be upset and angry by the idea of their heroes exploiting underage girls.

On the other hand, most of Ted Nugent's fans are unrepentant sexists who don't care about the Pele Massa scandal.

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

She only thought she was huge in America because Bang Bang was such a massive hit there. But Americans probably seen it as Ariana, Nicky and that British one.

I remember she sang it on The X Factor and followed it up by "sorry I had to sign all three parts" but her tone screamed "yeah I sang all three parts cause I'm so talented!"

Madonna. Just comes across as a deeply unpleasant individual.
Robbie Williams - Bellend.
Oasis- should be off badly tarmacking pensioners driveways and hounding them for thousands.
As someone mentioned above - Matt Healy. Comes across as an arrogant twonk.

I think Matt Healy would be chuffed to be mentioned in the same breath as those. His narcissism is almost part of the charm as he feels being a 'rock star' is an incredibly naff and post-modern concept that no-one can take seriously. I hated their last single whereas I adored the one before so I guess he is doing something right 🤪😝

Jimmy Page was having sex with her at the same time (although probably not literally), but the difference is that he continued having sex with her for several more years. I don't remember any radio stations banning Led Zeppelin records.

Blimey O'Reilly – put Lorrie Maddox into Google Images and you'll see that she was a very busy girl indeed. The Alan Freeman Show would have been restricted to playing Elton John.

Wouldn't Zeppelin records have been banned for their perceived "Satanic" content, though?

Also remember- fans' beliefs play a part in the reception of these scandals. The fans of Bowie, Page and Steven Tyler include a lot of liberals (and Bowie has a couple of feminist fans too- the book How to Raise a Feminist by Allison Vale, Victoria Ralfs mentions the Thin White Duke favorably several times). These people would be upset and angry by the idea of their heroes exploiting underage girls.

On the other hand, most of Ted Nugent's fans are unrepentant sexists who don't care about the Pele Massa scandal.

Ted Nugent 😬

It says something when I can’t name 1 of his songs, but I know all about him.

it was Jessie J for me. I became a massive fan of her when her first album Who You Are came out in 2011 and loved her through the Who You Are and Alive eras. apart from loving her music, she had such a down to earth attitude and spoke a lot about her health problems and she seemed like a normal every day person which I really liked. Then, I don't know what happened but when she then released her 3rd album Sweet Talker in 2014, apart from the fact the album was a massive decline from the first 2 and I only liked a few songs on it, it was obvious the fame and particularly success in the US really got to her head. I remember watching interviews she did for ST and it was like watching a different person and she came across so arrogant and full of herself. 2 main things she said that really put me off her was, firstly, saying she isn't appreciated enough in the UK and secondly, saying she was celebrated in the US as 'one of the greatest' and I remember thinking OMG Get over yourself!! then her singles for album 4 was awful and she completely lost me

Remember when Jessie J was bixsexual but as soon as she got a possibility for success in North America she got very haughty about the very idea and insisted she was totally straight? That was so insulting, immature and pathetic.

ive just remembered as well, I remember her saying in various interviews when she was promoting her first and maybe second album, how awful it was that popstars were being half naked in sexy music videos and what a bad role model they are. But for her 4th album R.O.S.E she made this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me72dNRpjcU and I remember watching it with my mouth wide open thinking what a complete hypocrite you are!

I agree about Robbie Williams. I liked his early solo stuff enough that I put up with his dislikeable personality, but then around the Rock DJ time I started to wane and after he moved into Swing style for a while I lost interest completely and haven't heard any of his songs for ages.

I hate U2, well Bono, and so don't listen to them too often even though I quite like some of their songs. Similarly, The Beatles. I fully admit they've done some great songs, and listen to them from time to time, but I've never warmed to them as individuals at all and I prefer The Stones and The Who anyway from that era.

Meat Loaf is another.
My older brother listened to him a lot and I liked some of his biggest hits when I was younger - and still rate those - but I've never really been able to warm to him and haven't bothered listening to his other songs.

Jimmy Page was having sex with her at the same time (although probably not literally), but the difference is that he continued having sex with her for several more years. I don't remember any radio stations banning Led Zeppelin records.

Blimey O'Reilly – put Lorrie Maddox into Google Images and you'll see that she was a very busy girl indeed. The Alan Freeman Show would have been restricted to playing Elton John.

Wouldn't Zeppelin records have been banned for their perceived "Satanic" content, though?

Also remember- fans' beliefs play a part in the reception of these scandals. The fans of Bowie, Page and Steven Tyler include a lot of liberals (and Bowie has a couple of feminist fans too- the book How to Raise a Feminist by Allison Vale, Victoria Ralfs mentions the Thin White Duke favorably several times). These people would be upset and angry by the idea of their heroes exploiting underage girls.

On the other hand, most of Ted Nugent's fans are unrepentant sexists who don't care about the Pele Massa scandal.

Ted Nugent 😬

It says something when I can’t name 1 of his songs, but I know all about him.

What is his deal?

Nugent used play with the acclaimed rock band the Amboy Dukes, then embarked on a solo career in the mid-70s. For decades, he was depicted as a likable hellraiser in the Ozzy Osbourne /Keith Richards mould. When I was a teenager in the 90s, the music press I read depicted him as "the Motor City Madman" or "the Nuge", and wrote fondly of his music and offstage behaviour.

But from the 80s onward, Nugent began to espouse far-right politics, and became the rock world's answer to Pat Buchanan or Enoch Powell. Nugent has defended Apartheid South Africa, made appalling remarks about African Americans, posted a message saying "the Jews" were behind the gun-safety movement, and threatened violence against
a female animal-rights activist, Heidi Prescott: