Google Wave Makes Me Feel Stupid And Angryhttp://www.businessinsider.com/google-wave-still-makes-me-feel-stupid-and-angry-2010-5/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:52:37 -0500Nicholas Carlsonhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c5b4b847f8b9a6f417e0000mdoeffThu, 05 Aug 2010 19:38:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c5b4b847f8b9a6f417e0000
From your post:
"Get a clue, Google! Put this thing in the dumpster and MOVE ON already!"
I guess someone at Google was listening!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c25b87f7f8b9a576f630300Raphaël PinsonSat, 26 Jun 2010 04:21:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c25b87f7f8b9a576f630300
@techie: I find it interesting how people who don't get Wave think it's just what they use it for.
Wave is not a bugzilla+IM client. You can use it as such if you want only that, but it's far more than this. It's not a picasa+IM either, it's not an IRC channels with logs, it's not a forum with images. It's a platform and a protocol, which allow to do pretty much everything you do on the web which requires interaction or collaboration: IM, wiki, email, forums, IRC, Q&A, and much more.
About your data being at Google, this is not a fatality either. If you still think it is, I invite you go read on http://www.waveprotocol.org/ about the distributed, federated protocol that Wave implements. There's already people running their own Wave server federated with wavesandbox.com today, and the protocol is improving fast. When you have your own Wave server and you start a Wave, the data is on your server, at home. That should fix your ISP issue as well.
Wave is more than just a new Google app really. It's worth reading a bit further than the blog entries here and there.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c2486c37f8b9a291dd50300GrahamFri, 25 Jun 2010 06:36:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c2486c37f8b9a291dd50300
Harald,
Leave those idiots to play farm-vile, it makes those of us who can be bothered to invest our time in something far more competitive and highly paid :-)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c20bf0a7f8b9a583f730100Raphaël PinsonTue, 22 Jun 2010 09:47:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4c20bf0a7f8b9a583f730100
When talking about Wave, it is really important to remember that it is first and foremost and protocol, a platform. That is the main reason why the demo from last year was 80 minutes long. It's a technical revolution. Not the interface (which most people agree is hard to grasp), but the underlying system.
If you are to compare Wave to an iPhone, then compare the whole thing to the phone technology, and think of the Wave interface as one of the many phone interfaces (many are bloated) on the market.
I believe right now Google is not really focusing on the interface, because this is not what matters. If Wave is to replace email on the long run, it's not the interface that will make a change in the big picture, it's the protocol. Certainly, people will not adopt it unless it has a nice interface, but that doesn't really matter for now, because it's not stable yet for the whole world to use.
Now about interfaces, there are more coming. Just like there are email clients I like and others I don't, there will be Wave interfaces that will be easier to use than others. Novell is already working on Pulse as a Wave client, and there are more small projects around.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf5f6607f8b9a3b563f0000HaraldThu, 20 May 2010 22:56:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf5f6607f8b9a3b563f0000
It has become a terrible attitude in this world (which is hindering massively progress) that too many people think they can use high-end products without reading the manual. Mouse or touch screen wizardry alone is NOT sufficient for getting a clue out of products which are ahead of the mainstream. Google Wave was not made for the mainstream. Go to Facebook and play Farmville, that doesn't require to read a manual.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf533807f8b9a3d2aec0100WillThu, 20 May 2010 09:05:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf533807f8b9a3d2aec0100
Nick,
If you have trouble using this product, you probably shouldn't be working at an IT magazine. I have been group writing short stories with wave for months now. It's easy to use, has a host of different formats, it's easy to format....and I never touched a manual.
Considering that it was designed by the same guys that gave us google maps, I think it's pretty good tool.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf49df47f8b9a0811580600Lloyd HumphreysWed, 19 May 2010 22:27:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf49df47f8b9a0811580600
Well, personally I don't think it's too difficult to use. Drag and drop files to add them. Click to comment. What's so complex about that?
I've been using it to collaborate with people in different timezones since it's release, and I think it's brilliant - every feature can be debated on by every member of the team. It's useless at replacing email, or person-to-person collaboration; but for teams you just cannot beat it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf48c467f8b9a8d55fb0700JackWed, 19 May 2010 21:11:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf48c467f8b9a8d55fb0700
Not necessarily a fair comparison. iPhone & iPad apps are single user and do not have the complexity of multiple users, subjects, content, etc. Comparing it to OneNote of EverNote might be slightly more valid except again the multi-user component is missing.
What multi-user collaboration software should it be compared to? And can that software be easily used without any learning step? That's more my point than trying to make everything "point & shoot."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf47b277f8b9aa127c30800techieWed, 19 May 2010 19:58:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf47b277f8b9aa127c30800
There is some value here.
Originally, I felt Google should have been ashamed for wasting a large amount of engineering effort to create a pretty bugzilla+IM client.
I do however find it useful for design team collaboration without having to leave our desks or if we're not co-located. Sort of acting like the Borg with a constant stream of thought during our product release or debug efforts. Outside of those times, the attention lost to notifications make one quickly logout.
Personally, because we do not control our wave data, I'd be concerned to use it more. Also if we have an ISP issue our group loses the ability to wave amongst ourselves. Maybe there's a way around this, I have not found it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf461ec7f8b9a8424eb0900PaulWed, 19 May 2010 18:10:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf461ec7f8b9a8424eb0900
If Wave users have to RTFM the the product has been poorly designed and is likely dead.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf452f17f8b9ade06270400Roland LegrandWed, 19 May 2010 17:06:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf452f17f8b9ade06270400
I don't agree. I did not had to RTFM to use an iPhone. Or an iPad. I'm not an Apple fan-boy, I know the issues, but I just think that it should be possible to design a Wave-like service which is intuitive and fun to use.
Google is a great company, with great ideas, but please, can they finally invest heavily in people who can help the geeks to take design seriously?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf430947f8b9a417f8b0700JackWed, 19 May 2010 14:40:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf430947f8b9a417f8b0700
If your story is accurate I see your problem. You skipped a step - learn the product.
I'm not supporting Google or anyone else. It's just that you need to "RTFM" before you jump into using a product.
'nuff said.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf42d177f8b9a691c240100JosephWed, 19 May 2010 14:25:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf42d177f8b9a691c240100
Nevertheless it is a Google product that non-geeks like my sister love. Google Maps, anyone?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf42cc57f8b9a7c1c2d0000Mark SigalWed, 19 May 2010 14:24:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf42cc57f8b9a7c1c2d0000
While I totally agree that someone at Google needs to get religion about design, I have found the app extremely useful for product development (iPhone Applications ironically) in a geographically distributed organization.
Moreover, performance of the Wave app itself, which used to be a slog, has gotten downright serviceable. That said, notifications of updates, and the information that is conveyed to participants of a Wave when notifications are generated is way too much noise, and not enough signal.
Markhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf429777f8b9a9d7eb70100DanielWed, 19 May 2010 14:09:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf429777f8b9a9d7eb70100
Picasa was bought, it wasn't built inhouse.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf428457f8b9a8c1b3f0000JosephWed, 19 May 2010 14:04:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf428457f8b9a8c1b3f0000
Uh, my sister loves Picasa and she is far from a geek.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf421467f8b9a330a720800jamieWed, 19 May 2010 13:35:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf421467f8b9a330a720800
As they say, "you can't polish a turd" Wave is horrible and shows Google believe people work like web servers. Wave is chaos.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf41c4f7f8b9a93023a0c00AMWed, 19 May 2010 13:13:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf41c4f7f8b9a93023a0c00
I don't why you are feeling dumb, angry may be. There is a reason why some companies excel at user experience (Apple, Microsoft) while others like Google are beyond redemption in user experience. Google products are of the geeks, by the geeks and for the geeks.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf416087f8b9ace7ada0200Lucky JimWed, 19 May 2010 12:47:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4bf416087f8b9ace7ada0200
Seems that you're getting old. RPG boys love it.