In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : who wrote the declaration?Posted by ricky12684

Once again he is on man that you have chose to pick out of 10's of 1000's who did not support his religious beliefs. Exactly the reason why I don't use the fact that he mentions God and the Creator in the Declaration. If you don't believe in god dude, that's your business and I don't care. But history is history.

Most of us have tivo, satellite or NFL network. Take a moment to jog your memory and look back on any games you may have saved or seen. On a number of instances some (not all) players from both teams will form a circle and say a prayer and the end of a game. This is almost always done when there is a potentially severely injured player.

So, to some degree there are already some influences of religion within the NFL. Some athletes are expressing it more than others and in the case of Tebow, he's wearing his belief(s) on his sleeve.

Whether this grates on his future teammates nerves or limits his chances of being picked up by team x in the draft, only god knows the answer.

I live in NY and commute via the subway. There isn't a week that someone doesn't board a train and begin to preach to the 'sinners' aboard. I'll usually search peoples faces for a reaction when this happens and more often than not, the look I see is laced with contempt. Imagine having to sit through your Sunday afternoon with a game in which Tebow is featured - get the idea?!

By the way, I am a christian. I just don't wear it on my sleeve.

This quote is from Michael Silver's column on Yahoo Sports this week. It brings up many questions about the role of religion, prostylizing vs. self expression, First Ammendment rights and what kind of controversy players will bring with them etc. Your thoughts? Last week, one AFC front-office executive went so far as to turn Tebow’s biggest perceived positive against him, saying the quarterback’s much-publicized embracing of Christian values and immense popularity made him a less attractive draft pick. “I don’t want any part of him or the circus,” the executive said. “At some point, as a team, don’t you have to be concerned with what comes with him? The guy has never met a microphone he didn’t like, and he’s obviously got a message. I think he needs to go away and hide for awhile.”Posted by NYC

I know one thing where Tim is concerned he is a devoutly religious man. I also saw the Path to the draft from last night where the concensus is that he will be drafted in the first round. I kow all you folks like apples,so how do you like them apples?

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : Then walk away or turn the volume down. I can't stand Keith Olbermann but, he uses his "platform" to make his beliefs known. I don't let him "push" those beliefs on me because I don't watch him. The same freedom we enjoy to exercise our free speech is a 2 way street. We also have the same right to not listen to what we choose. I don't get the problem with Tebow using his "platform" for what he believes. I don't know what rock all of you have been living under but, every celebrity, athlete, politician, etc; has used their "platform" to exercise their right to free speech ever since I can remember. So what? As a veteran, I appreciate the sacrifice others have made so I can say whatever I want in this country. I may not like it all but, thank God we all have the freedom to do so. Posted by mrbungle

I understand what you are saying and I feel the sameway about censorship. They make a remote for a reason. I have no problem with him using his fame to spread Christianity. That is his own right as a free citizen. I do have a problem with him standing up before a test and saying lets all say a prayer. Lets put it this way. If you were at a restaurant with your family. A guy stood up and said " I want to say this Muslim prayer before anyone can eat." Would you be ok with that?

It is obvious that it is an anti-christian thing to this front office guy. Too bad for him, Tebow is a class act! Funny how so many people in this country have forgotten that this country was originally founded by christians that wanted freedom of religion. My opinion is if you don't like christianity than find another country to call home. GOD BLESS!Posted by SidewayZ29

This gentleman isn't christian and he is serving our country, what have YOU done for it

In Response to Tebow, Christianity and the Media : Most of us have tivo, satellite or NFL network. Take a moment to jog your memory and look back on any games you may have saved or seen. On a number of instances some (not all) players from both teams will form a circle and say a prayer and the end of a game. This is almost always done when there is a potentially severely injured player. So, to some degree there are already some influences of religion within the NFL. Some athletes are expressing it more than others and in the case of Tebow, he's wearing his belief(s) on his sleeve. Whether this grates on his future teammates nerves or limits his chances of being picked up by team x in the draft, only god knows the answer. I live in NY and commute via the subway. There isn't a week that someone doesn't board a train and begin to preach to the 'sinners' aboard. I'll usually search peoples faces for a reaction when this happens and more often than not, the look I see is laced with contempt. Imagine having to sit through your Sunday afternoon with a game in which Tebow is featured - get the idea?! By the way, I am a christian. I just don't wear it on my sleeve.Posted by paob

.....the E train...I see it all the time and it annoys me to no end. Too bad as some of these commenters say "turm it off" I am stuck on a train with some holier than thou thumper screaming that if I dont accept Jesus, I am going to he##. If they were on the train and a muslim got on there and started talking about Mohammad or Allah, they'd probably report him to the cops as making terrorist threats, just to get rid of him

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : .....the E train...I see it all the time and it annoys me to no end. Too bad as some of these commenters say "turm it off" I am stuck on a train with some holier than thou thumper screaming that if I dont accept Jesus, I am going to he##. If they were on the train and a muslim got on there and started talking about Mohammad or Allah, they'd probably report him to the cops as making terrorist threats, just to get rid of himPosted by RipFace

I used to live in a small southern city where there was a prominent "christian" university. It was quite common there to see students prosletizing on street corners -- that is, actually shouting the word of god to passersby. Being a transplanted yankee of notoriously taciturn nature, this struck me as passing strange, so I asked around about it and found out that it was perfectly legal, through permit, for the Jesus shouters to congregate outside, for instance, night clubs, and spew invective at the patrons -- calling them fornicators and such and proclaiming their eventual descent to hell -- but that if I, as an individual, were offended by this and engaged these people in debate on the street, that I could be subject to arrest for disturbing the peace.

This has nothing to do with Tim Tebow, but the way this thread is deteriorating, I just thought I'd throw it in to see if anybody else sees the humor in it that I do.

I beleive in God, and the teachings of JC that's it. I don't go to chucrh, but i make sure my kids live by the laws of moses and the teachings of JC. I don't go out preaching to anybody, i don't have a problem though if someone does go out to spread the word, whether it's in heavy metal music, sports or the hells angels.

all i care is the player shows up on sunday and gives 100 percent to his team so they can win. if he wants to say god bless, or i owe it all to christ it better be accompanied by a win

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : Do the terms God and Creator mean the Christian God and Christian Creator?Posted by ricky12684[/QUOT

Yes, to 99% of the people that lived in America at that time.You've found 1 man in history and applied it to the whole country.Maybe if you google it you can find one more.And like I said that's why I never used it as an argument. Keep googling though.

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media :If they were on the train and a muslim got on there and started talking about Mohammad or Allah, they'd probably report him to the cops as making terrorist threats, just to get rid of himPosted by RipFace

I beleive in God, and the teachings of JC that's it. I don't go to chucrh, but i make sure my kids live by the laws of moses and the teachings of JC. I don't go out preaching to anybody, i don't have a problem though if someone does go out to spread the word, whether it's in heavy metal music, sports or the hells angels. all i care is the player shows up on sunday and gives 100 percent to his team so they can win. if he wants to say god bless, or i owe it all to christ it better be accompanied by a winPosted by kansaspatriot

I've noticed you almost never hear players say, "Well, we played our best, but obviously Jesus was on their side today."

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : i was a history major, im a football fan and a former christian and just because your tea party ideals(ie corporate welfare and hate) have some popularity right now...its ONLY because obama is a Black president who is a democrat...which means that every republican in the world will refer to him as a socialist...just the way they cried back during the great depression when our government put people to work(including authors and artists) and because public money was used to do so...FDR was all of sudden a socialist... people with such ideas make me sick and have ZERO idea what it is to be an American other than the right to be lazy and uneducatedPosted by Jimmy42Jack0

QUOTE: "People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; Be kind anyway. If you are successful you will win some false friends and true enemies; Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; Give the world the best you've got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway." - Mother Teresa

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : go ahead and keep trusting them till a train blows up Posted by kansaspatriot

..like the white, christian Tea Baggers are doing, throwing rocks, sending death threats to politicians who DARED to vote in favor of HRC. How about Tim McViegh? or the rest of the fanatical "Christian" army of god? Your are beyond pathetic if you think only muslims are terrorists

All you super Christians would be honking a different tune if Tebow was Jewish and tried to say a prayer before the test. I dont care what religion you are. This is a free country you can be whatever you want to be. But that in no way means you get to force it upon other people.Posted by uncommon13

Isnt this the absolute truth. First there is no one man on this Earth that knows what (GOD) or a God is all about or has even met him or her. Throughout history there have been too many to even list. Who is to say if the Jew's God is real (where actual Christianity comes from if you believe Jesus was the son of man. That being said its the same as Gay rights, I personally do not care what religion you are or what your sexual preferences are, just dont try to force them on me. This is a game of Football, leave what you do at home at home period, then go out on the field and play FOOTBALL.

So the guy has a system of beliefs and a moral code that he lives by (that doesn't encourage violence/hate).

Is there a problem with that? Is it honestly THAT big of a deal that he lives out his beliefs for a better world? I'm not endorsing Christianity as the ideal belief system, but is he not, as a human person, entitled to believe whatever he so chooses? It's not like he's forcing other people to convert Christianity - he's just expressing his beliefs more openly than most people choose. The world could be so much better if people didn't get hung up on these sorts of things.

In Response to Re: Tebow, Christianity and the Media : You're an idiot. So Muslims, Jews etc should leave the country? Nice. I think they call that racism, how Christian of you!Posted by KellieMB

NO he said if you dont like crhistianity then find another country to live in He did not say Muslims or Jews should leave the country. Dont start with the northeatern liberal attack conservatism worn out old sorry tactics