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I don't see why Kinect would be a deal breaker for anyone? Because it will be on ALL Xbox consoles the developers can integrate with it much better. I think it has a lot of potential.

Gamers who choose to connect to the internet regularly should still reap the benefit of having "cloud based" games.

Kinect is a deal breaker, because a lot of people, like me, don't want it, don't care for it, don't need it. I really can't stress this enough...I don't want a Kinect, I will not use the Kinect, I don't like having to pay for a Kinect.

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Why not? Physical discs are the past, they only serve to unnecessarily increase costs.

Downloading games is a great idea...unfortunately a lot of people in the world don't have high speed internet. Hell even in the States some people don't. I know it's not even offered in my area (no cable, no DSL). I have to use Verizon Homefusion and that has a 30 GB/month cap (well actually that's the top tier plan and I pay extra for that). The 30 GB plan is the most they offer right now. Most games are anywhere between 1 GB and 5 GB. Next gen games will be even more.

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Kinect is a deal breaker, because a lot of people, like me, don't want it, don't care for it, don't need it. I really can't stress this enough...I don't want a Kinect, I will not use the Kinect, I don't like having to pay for a Kinect.

But the point is, you would use it because it will be built into most games.

I get saying you wouldn't want to play "Wii type Kinect games" but the thing will bring a new aspect to gaming if used right.

My guess is if the Kinect wasn't included you would still have a reason to hate on Xbox.

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Downloading games is a great idea...unfortunately a lot of people in the world don't have high speed internet. Hell even in the States some people don't. I know it's not even offered in my area (no cable, no DSL). I have to use Verizon Homefusion and that has a 30 GB/month cap (well actually that's the top tier plan and I pay extra for that). The 30 GB plan is the most they offer right now. Most games are anywhere between 1 GB and 5 GB. Next gen games will be even more.

True, and I assume thats why Sony and MS decided to stick with discs for another generation. But times are changing and as online services expand people are going to start demanding more bandwidth.

This is like when Netflix announced they were separating their physical discs from their streaming stuff- people were upset at the prospect of paying more. Then everyone realized that they only streamed shows and movies anyway and nobody cared anymore