da_ni wrote:I finally finished GUimarães from last season. I’m already working on current Guimarães, specially Tozé, Deividson and Guedes. Next I’ll be working on Chaves team, hopefully I’ll be able to finish them faster than I did Guimarães.

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Great work da_ni but I disagree with a couple of things, so I need to comment just for the sake of discussion at least

- I think Miguel's set is overall accurate but I rate him higher than this in some aspects. DEF could reach 80 honestly. His decision making and handling of 1 vs 1 situations was impressive for such a young player at the time. He seems to lack strenght which is what might affect is handling too so I find him to be a DEF>BB type of player more (like DEF 80 BB 77). Agree with rest.

- Pedrão is a strong guy with nice dispossessing skills but lacks speed and a decent tackling ability which I don't think it would translate into a set with higher RES than DEF. It surprises me that you rate is BB lower than Marcos Valente. So to get a good idea of him as a player I would rate is DEF and BB high (DEF 79 BB 87) but low speed and response stats (TS 71 ACC 69 RES 76). Agree with the rest: some decent passing skills for a center-back and a unsurprising heading ability in green numbers. Marcos Valente set looks overall accurate but I don't find him this strong (around 84)

- Victor García is a player very hard to rate. I agree with the overall set but while he struggled defensively as you said last season, the prior season he was seen as Nacional's best player in a really tough season for Nacional (earning a move to Vit. Guimarães) where he performed well defensively and made an average of 3.8 tackles per game, the highest for any player in Liga NOS in the 2016/2017 season. How can we rate a player that makes a fantastic season defensively and right after a really poor one?

- Don't find João Afonso this fast but agree in general with the set you gave him. Jubal in the other hand looks faster than this (and faster than João Afonso). Jubal relied a lot on his smooth tackling ability that he has shown since his Arouca days. I don't find his dispossessing and reading of the game that interesting but he has a nice tackling, which does reflect on this set.

- I think Wakaso's DEF is a bit lower than this and is AGI a bit higher, but overall you really caught well his overall quality and playing style.

- As for the rest, I won't comment on Konan since he just got created by the Ligue 1 mods. Haven't seen Kiko enough to be sure but I think DEF could be a tad higher (like 58). Plus, I think he as played as a DM. Hélder and Vigário are on point. Raphinha I'll rather comment later.

da_ni wrote:I finally finished GUimarães from last season. I’m already working on current Guimarães, specially Tozé, Deividson and Guedes. Next I’ll be working on Chaves team, hopefully I’ll be able to finish them faster than I did Guimarães.

Miguel Silva is one of the brightest prospects for Portuguese keepers. He has been linked with a move to Sporting in the past but remained in Guimarães. He’s currently number 2 in Guimarães goal, behind Douglas Jesus, who is an established GK in our league, but has already managed to play a considerable amount of matches, and with decent performances. He’s weakest point is his catching, that can lead him to let loose some easy balls, but has very good reflexes and responsiveness.

Pedro Henrique, or Pedrão as many in the football world name him, is one of the most importants players in Guimarães side, team captain, and strongest defender. His stronger point is his strength, he’s very powerfull in body challenges, and does like to start attacks with precise long balls up front. In Guimarães he has played mainly as a CB, although in trasfermarket also states he can play as a LSB. One thing that can stand out is his relatively low number in jump and header, but with his height and balance, he’s still able to win most of he’s aerial duels like this.

First I want to clarify why I’m making this set, whe it was supposed to already be made. The thins is that the “João Afonso” in Guimarães thread isn’t this one, but one other that has already retired: https://www.transfermarkt.com/joao-afon ... ler/138642.This João Afonso has been a regular presence in Guimarães team, without ever being a consistent regular first team player. After a good start this season he lost his place in the starting eleven to Osorio, n loan from Porto, and with the return from injury of Frederico Venâncio, wee’ll see how much play time he’ll have. He’s fairly reliable defender, I remember a clinical cut he made just when ABoubakar was about to finish in front of goal, but he’s greatest assets are his strength and aerial disputes. Fairly decent on the ball, but not too much, not anything outstanding.

Jubal is an interesting Brazilian CB that has played in Portugal in recent years. He’s fairly decent, was loaned to Guimarães last season as played almost always as a starting member. He’s strong in aerial duels and has a goo sense of positioning.

Marcos Valente had some time to show his abilities last season, specially since Guimarães sold Josué early in the season and loaned João Afonso, with Pedro Henriques injury he had time to play quite some matches, but his performances felt short to Guimarães standard. He’s very tall and strong, but that’s just about it, not much more can be praised in him, I remember he even lost to Bas Dost in speed, he has a very slow acceleration.

He didn’t had much time to show he’s abilities in Guimarães, he didn’t even played a hand full of matches, but when he did he left a goo image. What stands out the most In him is his capacity with the ball, he’s very comfortable with it, and likes to play short, not just log ball forward. Despite his height he’s not that strong in the air, and in a game (I believe it was against Marítimo) he lost his fair share of aerial duels leading to goals. He now plays in Belarus, and seems to be doing well there.

Ghislain Konan is an Ivorian left back that’s quickly making his way into world football. He was bought by Vitória in the season 2015/16 and played there in Guimarães ‘B’ team, where he started the following season, but he quickly made it through into the first team and never again left the spot. He has still lengths to go in tactical terms, but he’s veru strong physically, extremely fast (Rochinha from Boavista couldn’t keep up with him, and Konan was carrying the ball) and decent technically. At times he seemed very good with the ball, decent dribler, other times he seemed very clumsy and couldn’t hold the ball at all, so it was a bit hard to rate him. Overall he is a good player and already is playing for his national team.

Falaye Sacko is another young player discovered by Guimarães in Africa. Like Konan, he too is still very immature on the pitch but shows very potential for growth. He’s very fast, with and without the ball, can run all match, and can display nice touches and dribbles from time to time. In attack he is prone to make wrong decisions, some times he needs around 5 or 6 crosses to hit one right.

Victor García came young to Portugal to play for Porto. He started playing some matches in Porto’s youth team but quickly started to play in Porto’s ‘B’ team, even managing some screen time in Porto’s first team. He remained in Porto’s B team, making some appearences until he eventually was loaned, and after that released to Guimarães. Last season wasn’t easy to him, even though he contributed a lot in offense, linking well with his team mates, In defense he clearly felt short, and now he’s 3rd place for the spot of RSD behind Dôdô and Sacko. He’s well composed with the bal, fairly fast, nice center, nice technique, but his defensive abilities and the instability the team suffered last season, suffering a lot of goals, constantly changing the defensive line, had a toll on him.

Alhassan Wakaso is an old fashioned DM, not the brightest midfielder, not the most composed, not the most skillful. You won’t see him make long passes, great plays, dribbles or anything like that, what you will see Wakaso do is run all matcth long, make a great amount of tackles, interceptions, once e recovers the ball he’ll pass simply to someone who knows better what to do with it. He’s not very developed technically, hence why his passing and technical abilities are rated almost the same as a CB.

Francisco Ramos is a young player from Porto’s youth system, but hasn’t been able to assume an important role in the team yet, despite playing several games as a starter last season. His strong points are his passing and technique.

Kiko Rodrigues had spot light early in the season when he was called a couple of times and showed to be a talented midfielder, nice passer, either long or short passes, also likes to appear up front and shoot.

João Vigário played specially as LSB, serving as a backup for Konan, and performed decently well. Having played as a winger since young age, it was only natural that he would give a lot of depth to his flank, but surprisingly he also performed nicely in defense, not making any significant mistakes.

One of the few things that went well for Guimarães last season was Raphinha’s explosion as a player, earning him a move to Sporting. He was absolutely great last season, not only as a skillful winger creating play for others, but specially in front of goal finishing the season with the terrific number of 18 goals. Raphinha’s arsenal include extreme speed and acceleration, strong shot, he can also play very well with his right leg, his centers are decently precise and very pacey when he wants to, and a very good first touch.

da_ni wrote:Hi That is exactly the point, raise discussion, in order to reach a better set for each player.Sorry for the delay, between work, updating my of, and viewing matches to build these sets I’m left with little spare time.

No problem. For all we've been waiting, a week absolutely means nothing.

da_ni wrote: About Miguel Silva, yes I agree. I had rated him at 78 in defense because last season he didn’t started as well, making many mistakes and not being able to cover his goal so well, but in the end of the season he was better, closer to what he showed the previous seasons, I kept changing he coveting value but forgot Defense for older sets. I agree with 80 in defense, but 77 in BB seems a bit harsh, He didn’t seemed so weak to me, maybe 80 def and 78 bb?

I understand. Vit. Guimarães got very complicated to rate after last season. Miguel Silva has the same problem as Victor García and others: great two seasons ago, poor last season. I think Vit. Guimarães overall weak season last year affected mentally the players. But doesn't take away his quality. I would accept DEF 80 BB 78. I was trying to establish a gap between his DEF and BB but looking to each stat alone 77 might indeed be harsh.

da_ni wrote: About Marcos Valente, his strength was the only thing going for him, pretty much all the rest was bellow average, I found Dénis Duarte much better player than Marcos Valente, so I don’t know how Valente played mor games than Duarte. Bout Pedro Henriques, yes he’s strong, maybe we could increase him all the way to 87, like Coates, but I wouldn’t decrease Valente’s BB so much, if anything… I agree with your suggestions: Def 79, BB 87, TS 72, ACC 69, but I thingk response at 76 is too low, maybe 78?

I got the idea of Dénis Duarte as a ball-playing centre-back. Good technique and decent defensive abilities. Marcos didn't impress me that much either, I agree that I expected to see Dénis more than him. I would trust that you're more sure of Marcos' BB value so I would keep it that way then. As for Pedrão, I guess he could have a point or two more of response but I wouldn't let it surpass his DEF value.

da_ni wrote: I didn’t think Jubal was faster than João Afonso, but I may have been “tricked” since I rated his speed so high because of a few runs I saw him made covering his side, keeping up with fast players. I May have overdid it, but I honestly think João Afonso faster.

Don't know what to comment about that João Afonso never looked fast to me: good strenght, game reading, aerial game but looked slow and stiff. Jubal looked decent fast, nice tackler, good header although not a great jumper and has a bad reading of the game. I'll try to pay more attention to both.

da_ni wrote: About Jubal, I started with him at 75 in defense, and he didn’t seemed that far off

Oh I'm not against this set I'm just saying his RES is better than his DEF and you did rate him that way. I was agreeing.

da_ni wrote: Wakaso has a tendency to make a lot of fauls, and in game he still did just that despite his high Defense and BW, that’s why I left him this way. Wakaso can tackle someone nicely from time to time, but what would you sugest?

Wakaso mixes some really good tackles with some pretty careless ones. But his defensive ability is a lot based on that - his tackling ability. With a decent RES number but a lower DEF, he would be very prone to tackle opponents but although he would do some solid ones, he would still missed many of them, specially with a lower DEF. RES 80 is a solid number for a tackler in our league, but I wouldn't put his DEF above 71/72.

da_ni wrote: Kiko, in transfermarket it does say he played as DM, so maybe his defense could be raised a bit, just 2 points like you said, as much as Sérgio Oliveira, and a bit higher than Pizzi who stands on 56.

Agree 100%. But to be clear, I would raise his defense because he deserves that number, not because he has played as DM.

emanuelfer wrote:Don't forget to put the star on penalties and increase free kick accuracy for Dénis Duarte. He was the top scorer on B squad.

You’re absolutely right, he did scored a few goals from Direct free kicks while in B team and penaltys. Do you have any numbers to suggest? I admit I didn’t saw any game he made while in B team, just the ones on first team.

About the cards, I’m currently playing PES 2017 and it doesn’t have “penalty” card, so we could add for future versions (now that I think about it, in early versions it had also penalty star right?)

Yes, I do friend For free kicks I would give 78-80. He's good taking free kicks as I've seen some of then from many highlights from matches to correct on Transfermarkt. Penalties he is pretty good. In 23 penalties he failed 1 and scored 22.It would be near 90 if it has that stat. I play pes 09, so It has star xD.https://www.transfermarkt.pt/denis-duarte/elfmetertore/spieler/352815

Hi, I work at Transfermarkt as a Datascout in Portugal and I feel like you need someone like me to update the data in Portuguese professional competitions.

In this comment, I present Fernando from Santa Clara (club which needs also to be created). He's recognized by his explosion power, being a fast but also strong left striker. However, he's not that good in technical ability for a striker. I as a supporter of FC Penafiel, already seen him play for my club in 2016-17, before he got to Santa Clara and he's a danger forward realying in his physical ability to explore open spaces in the left center area. Later on I'll create the most influential player in Santa Clara and probably the most talented, Osama Rashid, and present the CD Santa Clara present tactics.

Osama Rashid, a talented player from Santa Clara recognized by his technical ability on passing and set pieces. Also the captain of Santa Clara. Now he's been playing as left midfield (still considered CM in a 4-3-1-2 formation). He already has 5 goals and 7 assists in 16 matches.