Follow me on Twitter @ WilliamGMcCray to keep up on the latest! Obnoxious Breaking News…….Morehouse College will induct the first openly gay minister in the college’s prestigious Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Board of Preachers. On April 3rd, Bishop Oliver Clyde Allen, who studied at Morehouse, will be inducted by Dean Lawrence Edward Carter into this hall of great preachers. Carter is the Dean of the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. International Chapel that sits on the campus of Morehouse College, and it is the only spiritual building named in honor of the greatest graduate of this institution.Morehouse College started in basement of Springfield Missionary Baptist Church in Augusta, Georgia as a school for Baptist preachers. Some of the greatest preachers in this nation are Morehouse College graduates. It is very fitting for the college to have named this great board after one of its greatest apostates of the gospel: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. These great preachers must demonstrate the philosophy of the civil rights leader’s life work for peace, justice, and nonviolence.Morehouse College is an all-male institution and a historically black college, which has made the discussion about sex and sexuality very difficult in the past and it still remains a taboo subject today. However, Dean Carter’s bold move might be the step in the right direction for the college, black church, and African American’s to begin having the discussion. Black men and their sexuality is an unnecessary struggle that folks are resisting accepting, especially black men that enjoy having sex with other men in secret: men that are openly married to women, dating women, or just pretending to be celibate to not entertain the sexual advances from women while enjoying loads of fun entering the anus of other men. Although, Bishop Allen will not technically be the first openly gay man inducted due to Dr. Peter Gomes of Harvard having the great honor bestowed upon. Allen will be the first that is married to a man and actively living as a homosexual. Unlike Gomes who always down played his sexuality with statements that he was celibate and not actively practicing homosexuality (in other words he was not having sex with men let alone married to another man. It is an unspoken truth to be black, gay, and in the church although that is where you can find a great number of same gender loving men engaging in same sex relations.
This decision to induct Bishop Allen into the board of preachers will cause some serious tension. Being a church boy myself and an ordained elder, I know a great deal of preachers all over the country and the reviews are mixed on this topic. Surprisingly enough, the ones with the greatest contention are the very ones privately living double lives. The double lifers do not want to openly see a gay man that is unashamed about whom he is and whom he loves to have the same honor bestowed upon him as heterosexuals. (They want the dark to remain dark and have no light shown even though they enjoy same sex relations with men themselves.) The only difference, these hypocrites placate to the image conscious society and marries a woman for appearance’ sake while she is publicly known as the “first lady” and their boyfriend (lover) is seen as a good buddy, supporter, armor bearer, deacon, minister so-in-so, et al. How long will the black church allow these lies to be told and the games to be played? Time out for the foolishness! Exposure is underestimated and yet so powerful and liberating. People need to be who they are and not give a damn about what anyone has to say about it. Stop trying to impress people with lies and the Christian vernacular that are unimpressive themselves.Bishop Allen (Clay) is a personal friend that refused to lie and hide. Kudos to him! At one time he was engaged to a woman and was headed down a long dark road filled with a life of lies and hiding, but he could not do it. His conscious got the best of him. It was at Morehouse College, ironically in King Chapel, the same place where he will be inducted in the Board of Preachers, where Clay came out of the closet! I remember it like it was yesterday. It was during a class assembly when Clay took the mic and prefaced his question with this statement, “As a gay, young, black man . . .,” we did not hear another word because silence hit the chapel like thunder and lightning and shocked everyone with ears that heard him. CVS did not make enough Valium or Xanax to calm the nerves of everyone that was in hearing distance, especially mine. In seconds, this young preacher with a promising future was the talk of the campus. Nonetheless, he took a stand to be honest and not live his life as a liar unlike so many of his counterparts and others.
Years ago over a late night breakfast at R. Thomas when Allen was the youth pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church; I prophesied to him that he would be a pastor. Now look at what the Lord has done and it is marvelous in our eyes. His husband, the First Gentleman Rashad Burgess, will be seated among the other minister wives ready or not, like it or not. Now some are excited for the progressive step while others are saying that Dean Carter has gone too far this time. Congratulations Bishop Oliver Clyde Allen on this great honor and most all on being true to yourself!Obnoxious Breaking News…….Morehouse College will induct the first openly gay minister in the the college’s prestigious Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Board of Preachers. On April 3 Bishop Oliver Clyde Allen, who studied at Morehouse will be inducted by Dean Lawrence Edward Carter into this hall of great preachers. Carter is the Dean of the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. International Chapel that sits on campus of Morehouse College, which is the only spiritual building named in honor of the greatest graduate of the institution.Morehouse College started in basement of Springfield Missionary Baptist Church in Augusta, Georgia as a school for Baptist preachers. Some of the greatest preachers in this nation a Morehouse College graduates and how fitting for the college to have named this great board after one of the greatest apostolators of the Gospel, Dr. King. These great preachers must demonstrate the philosophy of the Civil Rights leaders life work for peace and justice.
Now Morehouse College is an all male institution and Historically Black College, which has made the discussion about sex and sexuality very difficult in the past and it yet remains a challenge today. However, Dean Carter’s bold move might be the step in the right direction for the college, black church, and African American’s to began to have the discussion. Black men and their sexuality tends to be a struggle that folks are going to have to get over, especially black men that enjoy having sex with other men in secret. It is taboo to be Black, Gay, and in the Church even though that is exactly where you can find a great number of same gender loving men.
Now this decision to induct Bishop Allen in the the board of preachers is not coming with out some serious tension. A church boy myself and ordained elder I know a great deal of preachers all over the country and the reviews are very mixed on this topic. Interestingly that a number of the ones with the greatest contention are privately living double lives. However, they do not want to see a man bold and honest about who he is to have the same honor bestowed upon Allen that have once received. The only difference is they played the game and had a wife sitting in the audience as their First Lady and their boyfriend their as a good buddy and supporter. Time out for the games and Lise be who you are and do not give a damn about what anyone has to say about it. Stop trying to impress people that are I impressive themselves.Bishop Allen (Clay) is a personal friend that refused to lie and hide. At one time he was engaged to a female and was headed down a long dark road filled with a life of lies and hiding, but he could not do it. It was at Morehouse College ironically in King Chapel, the same place where he will be inducted into the Board of Preachers that Clay came out of the closet! I remember it like it was yesterday, during what is called a class assembly Clay took the mic and prefaced his question with this statement, “As a gay young black man,” we did not hear another word when dead silence hit the chapel. CVS does not make enough Valumm to calm my nerves. In seconds Clay, this young preacher with a promising future was the talk of campus. However, he took a stand to be honest and not live his life as a lier like so many.
Years ago over a late night breakfast at R. Thomas while he was the youth pastor at Tabernacle Baptist Church I prophesied to him that he would be a pastor. Now look at what the Lord has done and it is marvelous in our eyes. His husband, the First Gentleman Rashad Burgess will be seated among the other mister wives known as First Ladies and be acknowledged ready or not like it or not. Now some are excited for the progressive step and others are saying that Dean Carter has gone to far this time. Congratulations Bishop Oliver Clyde Allen on this great honor and most of all on being true to yourself!

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

It is hard enough for men to be faithful to one woman in the midst of many women. What would make a man think that another man will be faithful to him and him alone? This is foolishness! I have never seen another man that I wanted to marry…

I respect the individuality and rights of people, but what people fail to realize and understand is the law is for equality as it pertains to the treatment of the common wealth and the church is for the Glory of God and man’s reconciliation to Him. Whether you are heterosexual or homosexual once one decides to live for Christ, in particular if one decides to answer the call to preach the gospel his or her life is no longer his or hers there is a cost to serve Him and He doesn’t hide it. He clearly says in His Word that any man (woman) who follows Him has to give up their lives to do so for which he or she will receive a greater reward. So this is not about homosexuality it is about the sin of pride; me, my and I, which was one of the true sins of Sodom and Gomorrah. For those of us who choose to answer the call to preach the gospel we are no longer our own and if we fall, and we will because we are human, we are to repent not thumb our noses at God and glorify self and a life style that God said don’t engage in. It’s to God be the glory, not to man. He gave us a choice and if you choose to serve Him, no matter gay or straight, you gotta let it all go, pick up your cross and follow Him.

They are not forgiven if they willingly sin and if they hate the laws of Moses. (Hebrews 10:26-31) Woe to the heretics and perverted ministers who will be punished. (II Peter 2 full chapter.) You cannot claim to be Christian and NOT listen to what Jesus said. Repent! (Matthew 9:13)

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

This is so sad that the SAINTS of the MOST High GOD have come to this! The Bible clearly states, validates and upholds the relationship between 1 man and 1 women (Adam and Eve). God has NOT changed HIS mind regarding this issue nor will He to suit what the world may be conforming to. We are truly living in the last days where the Bible says, They will be quicker to believe a lie rather than the truth! I’m not saying that this man (Bishop) isn’t struggling with some unnatural feelings but what I am saying If he is going to be a TRUE man of God then just choose to not be with a woman or a man until GOD delivers Him from this stronghold that satan is trying to confuse his mind with. There is nothing too hard for God to deliver from. Help Lord our nation to rise up and be the true men and women of God He is calling for us to be!

Dr.Martin Luther King, being the Godly man he was, would never have approve of this! It’s a sad day indeed when a good Christian school knuckles under to the bullying tactics of the Gay Agenda and Political Correctness! I wish it was a joke, but sadly, as the world is being coerced into accepting homosexuality, this will happen more and more. They want their “Rights” but since ours are not in keeping with theirs, we’re not entitled to ours! When you’re blinded by sin you can’t see you’re in the wrong… so, of course, they can’t see that they are being the intolerant ones.

So William are you saying, as an ordained Elder in the COGIC; that you condone this pusillanimous honor by Morehouse? Are you further saying that Allen’s lifestyle as a homosexual preacher is okay in your mind, philosophy and theology?

Because i’m still trying to understand how one can be a PRACTICING homosexual and think that it’s okay to continue in ministry; while deceiving people that you are shepherding. Are we not reading, studying and trying to live the same BIBLE.

Let me refresh your memory:

Leviticus 10:10-11
10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

Key word in 10 is “difference” and in 11 the key word is “all”.

But the BIBLE does say “how can two walk together unless they be in agreement”. Tendencies speak volume to character and lifestyles.

Thank you for your questions. I think there are things when one is connected to a denomination that you may or may not agree with 100% percent all the time.
People should have the right to live there life as they choose and my religious beliefs should not dictate another individual’s life just as their’s should not dictate mine.
I am proud that Morehouse is starting to have the discussion about black men and their sexuality.
Yes, I am saying I would rather Allen be out and preach then live a lie like so many I know presently do by saying one thing and privately doing another.

But William he is in direct contradiction to the WORD that he is preaching. That’s my point. It’s the blind leading the blind, sick and lame. I’m not saying don’t tell the truth about your lifestyle and you wanting to be homosexual by all means be truthful; but lets be clear that the BIBLE that you and I preach and by being ordained elders in the COGIC we say that we will uphold and defend the truths of that sacred WORD. How can you. . . . Tell me this William yes or no answer will do. And i’ll be done on this subject.

Because the Bible says that if any man be IN Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away and all things have become new.

My college is honoring him and he and others have a right to live their lives as the choose. People do many things that COGIC teaches against.
We do not agree with drinking, but we still go to establishments that serve alcohol.
Additionally, you not anyone else will dictate to me what subjects to address or how to answer. Do not tell me to answer you yes or no. Have you lost your mind.
Now you answer this yes or no what did Jesus say about the subject?

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Mr. William, Jesus said this. . .
(1 Corinthians 6:9, 10) Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners WILL NOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM

To some regard Mr. Michael is correct but I would like to ask him, if everyone is going to heaven why does the bible speak of there being a new heaven and new earth

(Revelation 21:1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.

and also (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Our Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

Would you happen to be judging someone sir? I do believe only God can do that, last time I checked there were no open apprenticeship positions for the Man who makes the judgement calls. The bible itself says do not judge, so how do we overlook that to pass judgement in God’s place. He doesn’t need our help in that arena, so do as He says and love your brother.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Theology 4, your name is a contradiction to yourself sir OR ma’am. I just agree with the BIBLE. By the way i’m not tripping over anything but stand sure on what I profess, preach and teach. Lol. sir OR ma’am I can truthfully tell you that homosexuality isn’t deep down anywhere in me. Not my struggle or habit sir OR ma’am.

Further more William It’s heartbreaking and sad when you take people that are hurting and in pain and the alternative that is presented to these people are not better than their present circumstances of life and offer no solution. But rather they’re given this watered down, fairy tale placebo gospel. Real preachers don’t deal with symptoms, like Allen and these other homosexual preachers; real preachers deal with and treat the disease. Bishop Allen is an Emergency Room doctor, not a licensed BIBLE PREACHER..

Bishop Allen is deceived and it’s sad that those who have come to him for spiritual guidance are not exposed to light but rather further darkness.

William your refusal to answer yes or no speaks volume to your stance on the subject and article. Any preacher of the Gospel shouldn’t have a problem standing on the side of TRUTH and especially BIBLICAL TRUTH. I pray that you’re not preaching anymore since you turned in your COGIC Elder’s license. I guess this is the only preaching you’re called to, blogging.

In my tell all book I will address a great deal of things directly. You might be right this may be my call here on the blog. I actually reach many more then most preachers reach on a weekly I reach on a daily.

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Such a handsome picture. Handsome men. Granted, they have free choice and free will which God gives us. But just make no mistake since they are claiming to be men of God, they are making a mockery out of the sanctity of marriage union and family. Doesn’t matter how educated or titles, since they claim to be men of God, they are living against God’s word. What example is their lives? It profits nothing.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

all that live and sin is going to hell that why God is going to judge atlanta ga of it sin. All the gay church and and the homosexual that is going on in atlanta and other sin I looking for a earthquke to happen here of all the sin that going on in atlanta. morehouse most of the men that go there are gay so that dont surprise. But it a same to be a elder in cogic and go along with mess..i love every one but i cant going along with your sins I cant but friend with anyone that gay.I am against it so i dont hang with people that gay

William you implied that he wasn’t saved. I quote “I am sure like me you have friends and love ones you would like them to be saved, but they are not”. Go back and read cedric’s comment and then read yours.

My point was we all have friends and family members we would like to be saved that May not be. However, we do not cut them off.
I am not sure why you feel it necessary to press me to give you a simple answer to a very complex issue.
Would it be better for me to lie to you like a number of leaders that say one thing and personally live, think, and do something else?

William those leaders will have to give an account to the LORD Himself who will judge the living and the dead. Perhaps they mistake the long-suffering and pathos of God for acceptance of evil. turning the grace of God into license. in public they might fool some but there are Saint who can discern between excretion and treasure. starstruck people and those desiring the limelight might not see but I tell you this the Gifts have not left the Church and there is Remnant that shall walk with the LORD in white.

@Michael, it is evident to me that @obnoxioustv isn’t willing to take a stand on the matter. He also makes it clear that he believes that being ‘openly & actively gay’ is better than being ‘secretively & actively gay’ and assumes that this is a zero-sum game in which the ‘openly & actively gay’ wins. That is not the case. This is a lose-lose situation because the matter isn’t ‘open’ or ‘in the closet’, but is about whether that sinful nature has been gotten rid of by Jesus Christ or not. It ultimately boils down to that. Are you saved or are you dead in your sins?

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Hi Cedric! I agree with Elder Michael, I stand on the WHOLE WORD of God, u can’t pick and choose which part of the word of God u want to live by, but Im totally afided about your comment I have friends, & family members, who r gays, and love them very much, how can I call myself a child of God and hating my brother, or co-workers who r gay, the bible says or life is a testimony, my brother know the bible we’ve grow up in COGIC and r father was a Pastor until the day he’s died he’s didn’t agree with my brother lifestyle but he love him none the less, Cedric your saying u can’t b friends with gays, but Jesus was a friend to Whore, liars, thieves, pls. Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying I don’t go clubbing, or party, with my family member, or friends, because I’am saved.. But, I love everybody that’s is what God commands us Christian to do.

@Cedrick, if Atlanta, Ga (or anywhere else) was flattened by a judgement-induced natural disaster, that’d leave millions of unsaved people dead, in hell and BEYOND salvation. We’re in the age of grace (though this age is coming to a swift end with tremendous speed) in which people are being called to salvation.

Whilst the Great Day is coming when God will dispense out His just payment for millenia of rampant godless, that Great Day has not come yet, so we should be concerned with winning souls to Jesus and not hoping that they get judged prematurely.

For an elder In anything, your writingskill is very questionable, I do hope your soaking skills are not represented here. Let’s start there. … how dare you a supposed man of God wish an earthquake in God’s children, what kind of man of God does that?

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

Really, with this one, I just can’t. Sad part they are a nice looking couple and the baby! Too cute!But at the end of the day anyone who knows anything about the Word of God knows that this is just wrong. To sin is one thing, to live in it is another, to do it in Jesus Name is a whole other level. I will say that at least Bishop Allen is who he is and isn’t leading some oblivious woman along, but boldly living in sin and professing to be a man of of God is misleading to those who are seeking deliverance from any type of sin. Thus, creating confusion within the Body of Christ.

BeholdHisGoodness, you said, “Thus, creating confusion within the Body of Christ.” I am sorry, but the Word of God makes in PLAINLY CLEAR that anyone who continues to abide in darkness & controlled by the flesh is NOT IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. These deceived gentlemen are causing confusion in churches, but NOT the Body of Christ. We’re not at all confused because we know the Master’s voice and RUN away from anyone who pretends to be from Him.

I’m proud of them. And I hope that all of you who are condemning him for being openly gay and honest, realize that you’ll be in hell first for cheating on your wives with those adjutants. Get a damn life!

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Holiness is still right!!! God is holy and does not mingle in filth!!! Heaven is a pure place no sin cannot enter there. Accolades and intellect do not impress God and he cannot be bribed. GOD SAYS BE HOLY BECAUSE. HE IS HOLY AND WITHOUT HOLINESS NO MAN SHALL SEE GOD !!! Selah

Now from what I have read in various sources, there are 500-600 laws in the bible. Look them up and see if you are in danger of your own judgment. If you are going to enforce one, then enforce them all. Since you choose to live by the law, then you will surely die by the law. It has already been proven that we mere humans are not able to maintain that standard. Hence a Savior came to wash away all of our sins.

Now according to Galatians 3 the just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. I choose to have faith in the grace that was freely given. And works that makes my faith alive is evident in how much I love my neighbor.

Of course, we can use the bible to justify almost anything that we choose to do or not to do: slavery, polygamy, lying, drinking, Homosexuality! Anyone may say that they have received an interpretation that is different from yours and prove it, according to scripture, to be just as valid as your own. In the realm of theology and spirituality, truth is a matter of perception.

Why not just live the revelation that God has given to you to the best of your ability and love/pray for others without a condemnation to hell because their philosophy does not agree with yours? But of course, you can find a reason in the bible to not do that has well. Can you find a reason to love your neighbor as you do yourself? Or maybe many of us who are so judgmental do not truly love ourselves, so loving someone else is near to impossible. IJS.

I believe not living as the person God has created you to be is just as much a “sin”. You are living a lie and hell exists in this life as a result.

BTW, I’m COGIC. Honestly, we have too much hypocrisy and other shenanigans in the church. We can be so hateful and evil. These other denominations are beginning to look more appealing.

Congratulations Bishop OC Allen, now preach unto us the preached word of God!

CoolinRain while not one of us would make it if we were still under the law. Homosexuality is the only sin that is spoken of in the Bible as an abomination. We are taught to love everyone but NOT the sin. I agree that we having a lot going on in the body of Christ I will not single out a denomination because GOD is coming back for the church not a denomination. While the Bible says not to judge another man/woman or you will be judged. We are charged with teaching the word of GOD to our brothers/sisters! We cannot keep justifying things that are wrong because everyone is doing it, people are committing other sins etc. Stand on the word of GOD and you cannot go wrong. I know a few gay people, drunks, gamblers etc. just because I love them don’t mean they are right. The one good thing with this is at least they are open and not on the down low wrecking some unsuspecting person’s life!

@CoolRain,it appears that you’re either Jewish or are living in 2014 B.C, because you still concern yourself with fulfilling the Law. Jesus came to fulfil the requirements of the Law so that in Him, all of God’s demands were fulfilled. Now, we’re under grace, and not law! However, even under grace, the giver of that grace, Jesus, only recognises marriage as between a married husband and his married wife.

Truth isn’t subjective! It is not open to interpretation at all! It is ABSOLUTE! This is not philosophy or humanistic wisdom, this is the Word of God.

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

I do not know what COGIC you are talking about. the Church of God in Christ Inc. is against gay marriage. Any Church of God in Christ, Inc. Bishop, Elder, Minister, Missionary or titleholder who endorses gapy marriage is in open and blatant rebellion to the Scriptures and the Doctrine of the Church of God in Christ, Inc. while we accept all people to come as they are it is our hope and prayer that they will believe the gospel, repent and be baptized calling on the nsme of the Lord, be filled with the Holy Ghost, and learn the Way of Holiness. we ae by no means a monolithic orgaization and we know all of our members are saved but our foundation is in Bible holiness contemding for the faith. i trust the Lord Jesus will bring all involved in this endorsement of sin will vome to their sense and repent. the behavior is merely symptom of the real problem, and that problem is living after the flesh and mindimg the things of the flesh. Repent.

I know an ordained COGIC elder that has a LBGT youth group in his church. His bishop knows about it. And he(pastor) does endorse gay marriage. There are 15,000+ clergy in COGIC.many differing views among them. Does it really make any difference if you take it up the butt and still preach against ? Not saying it is right.
A Baptist minister told me he had a man in his church that used to live with a COGIC bishop. The bishop dressed the man up as a woman. They were husband and husband.
Elder Arnold Jackson do you really know your COGIC as well as you think?

oh yes I do know COGIC and I am not impressed by these tales from the crypt. i also know that we are a mixed multitude with dome of everything among us, but God has Saints that live Christian lives and don’t by into the politics. if I never go to another Convocation I would not care. I know the real essence of Holiness and Sanctification.

i stay on my local church satisfied with Jesus. Again I am not impressed by show offs, straight or gay. i know a lot of LGBT folks in the church world, its the best place they can be. they might just get saved and get some relief from the bondage of sin. i was bound but now I am free and believe you me freedom in Christ is much better than bondage to sin. I

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

the is ought fallacy. If you really have any sense of history you and I know that this lifestyle is not normative to Christianity. Pedophilia and rape are crimes that should be prosecuted regardless of denomination. I read the stats on a lot of these nonsense.

having bastard babies? how you sound? having a child out of wedlock is not a crime. yes the acts of fornication and adultery are sin but don’t start that bastard child comparison. where you see that in the New Covenant? The Book Hebrews? Well, you should know better than to name call.

operative word “people” in the church does. people that have real deep seated issued and pathological issue, mentally ill like Judas. the Betrayer they look saved, act saved in public but inwardly are COGIC wolves like wolves of every denomination. no excuses sin is sin.

an ordained COGIC ELDER promoting homosexuality is crazy, just as crazy as promoting adultery or fornication. If you want to be in the world and live like that that os your choice but why try to make God join in your sin. God does not and will not accept sexual sin in the life of a believer. God calls us to repent. that includes Bishops, Elders, Deacons, Laymen and bench members. why are you promoting sexual sin? You might be pentacostal but you cant be Pentecostal nor Holiness. if you are yet practicing sin you aint saved, categorically. if you are born of God you have struggles, temptations and problems but God can change the heart. the behavior changes when the heart is change by God.

Quite trying to stride the fence William. Do you think Bishop Allen is born again or not? Lot was sitting at the gate when the men arrived. At the gate. That lets me know that Lot was not only among the homosexuals but he was a leader of the homosexuals.

why is it that when faced with the truth of the Bible regarding sexuality people find excuses based on other issues. the problem with LGBT lifestyles and practices is that they are a symptom of a deeper issue. whether by nature or by nurture there is a problem. the deeper issue is based in what LGBT lifestyles and practices are manifestations of. God did not make us robots nor are we bound to be hopeless victims of the synergy of nature and nurture. it about being in the flesh and minding the things of the flesh based on relationships with the father of lies.

if you have never been born of God it is impossible to in right relationship with God whether you are hetrosexual, homosexual, straight, queer, and even celibate. The manifestations of sin are manifold and it is deception to believe that Jesus Christ died for sin and the remission of sin so that we could continue in sin.

The Love of Christ constrains me to preach the Gospel to unsaved folks even if they are part of COGIC. ITS TIIME TO REPENT LEST WORSE THINGS COME UPON YOU, THE LORD WILL VISIT IN JUDGEMENT. Again I am not hiding behind a screen name nor engaging in name calling.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

Honey your Bishop is ok with Gay preachers..bishop blake. He openly boasted of how he preached at the evangelical church on Harvard’s campus and then justified Him allowing the openly gay pastor speak at his church and 77 ppl came to Christ. So we know he’s is for it.

@Just Wondering: Matthew 7 v 22-23 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Just because someone is openly living and endorsing sin and is able to minister the gospel, does NOT mean that that person is saved.

Hell No!!!! I cannot and will not stand in agreement with this bullshit!!!! How the F are you “men of God” that preach in the pulpit amongst believers of the Bible but live a homosexual lifestyle!?!?!? Clearly we all are living in the last days of Christ’s second coming on earth!!!!!!! All of you who agree with this shit should be knocked the F out with a baseball bat to your brains!!!!!!!!! I’m so sick of reading ridiculousness !!!!

According to the bible Audriana, you are to be silent. Put your husband or father online and only he can speak for you. These are men talking little girl.

Of course, I’m only being sarcastic. Just wanted to make a point. But on a serious note, is it necessary to use such language and suggest such violence? We are all Christians here contending for the faith. I don’t think Jesus would approve.

@Cool Rain, it seems that you show contempt for the Word of God. This can be attributed to the fact that you neither understand nor have the revelation of it pertaining to the issue of women and Christianity.

ONE: Women in Church

1.Perhaps the most important verses used to argue against the active participation of women in spiritual fellowship are found in 1Timothy.

“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (1Timothy 2:11-12)
This passage is usually interpreted to mean that during church services, women are to remain silent in the presence of men, thus showing their complete spiritual subjection to God and Jesus. Women, therefore, are not to teach during Sabbath school, nor are they to teach in any manner during the preaching service, for to do so would be usurping authority over the men that are present.

1 Timothy 2:11 and 12 are also invoked to prohibit women from having any authority over men in any and all activities, whether during Sabbath services or otherwise. Thus prayer or speech of any fashion in the presence of men is said to be prohibited by Scripture. Teaching men through the medium of writing is prohibited. Actively participating in the planning, organizing, staffing and directing of activities over men is also prohibited, the reasoning goes. There are four major assumptions made when interpreting 1Timothy 2:11-12.

1. That the singular “woman” means “all women,” whether married or not
2. That the singular “man” means “all men, “whether married or not
3. That the term “silence” means “absolutely mute”
4.That the command specifically applies to church services and activities of any kind

Is this understanding of the verses listed above in 1Timothy consistent with the meaning of other Scriptures? Is it possible that we are applying cultural customs and bias to the Scriptures? Can we prove what is the true meaning of these verses? What is the setting of the verses? Is it Sabbath fellowship only, or is it family fellowship as well? Is the command here applicable to all women and all men? What does the term “teach” mean? What does it mean for a woman to “usurp authority over the man” ? What does it mean to be silent “with all subjection” ? To whom is the woman to be in subjection, to her husband, or to all men? What is the real topic under discussion here?

TWO: In Context

Paul was writing to the young evangelist Timothy, who was serving the brethren at Ephesus at the time. The year was circa 66 A.D. The Jewish Wars with Rome had just begun. The subject under discussion in 1Timothy 2 is the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles (1Timothy 2:7). Paul therefore reminds Timothy that all Christians (men and women) should pray for kings and all that are in authority, to the end that the gospel might be preached in a setting of peace and tranquility (1Timothy 2:1-4).

Timothy was therefore to teach that Christian men to pray.

“I (Paul) desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting” (verse 8)
Praying, in other words, that this gospel would go to the Gentiles, in due time, in a proper atmosphere of peace and tranquility. Timothy was to teach Christian women to pray the same thing. Only instead of admonishing the women to pray without “wrath and doubting,” the women were to pray another way – .

“in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel . . . ” (1Timothy 2:9).
The word translated “modest” is the Greek kosmios and in this context carries the meaning of a Christian woman who is quiet and tranquil in her worship of God. It means a woman who fulfills the Christian duties which are incumbent upon her; a woman who is sensible, self-controlled and who voluntarily places limitations on her Christian freedom.

The word translated “propriety” is the Greek aidios and has the meaning of a modesty which has an innate moral repugnance to a dishonorable act; i.e., a reverence for the good as good. Aidios is used only here in 1Timothy 2:9 and in Hebrews 12:28. The word “moderation” in the Greek is sophrosune and has the meaning of soundness of mind, sanity or self-control. Thus it means placing voluntary limitations on one’s spiritual freedom of thought and behavior.

THREE: Marriage and the Gospel

Marriage and the Gospel

Sophrosune gives us an important clue to the context of Paul’s statements in 1Timothy 2:11-12. The fact that Paul is indeed referring to the marriage relationship is revealed by the words “woman” and “man.” When Paul stated, “Let a woman learn” he was actually commenting on the Christian role of the wife. “Woman” is translated from the Greek gune (wife), and “man” is translated from the Greek andros (husband). When used with anthropos (man or mankind), gune may mean women in general. But when used with andros, it can only mean “wife” and must be translated so. Paul is not discussing here the general relationship of women to men, but the specific relationship of wives to husbands.

The real question is what are the proper roles of the converted husband and the converted wife in relationship to preaching the gospel of Jesus. Paul addresses this question in verses 11-15 of 1Timothy 2. The context reveals Paul’s answer: the natural order is not to be disturbed in the preaching of the gospel. This natural order, ordained by God, is the role of the husband as head of the wife as Paul argues (1Timothy 2:13-15).

The role of childbearing was biologically reserved for the wife from the very beginning. The role of fathering and leadership in the family was reserved for the husband from the very beginning. Paul argues that this is so for the sake of the children. Thus when husbands and wives are interacting at home, in an assembly, or anywhere else, the position of the husband as the natural head of the family should not be undermined! For, as Paul argues, this natural relationship is in accordance with God’s ordained order in creation.

Does this mean that the wife must be mute in services, or in public in general, when her husband is present or when any man is present? Not at all! The Greek text does not support or warrant such a conclusion. In 1Timothy 2:11 Paul does not argue that wives are not to learn, but only that they should “learn (manthano) in silence, with all submission.” Learn what? Be in submission to whom? In absolute silence? The word translated “learn” here is the Greek verb manthano and grammatically must answer to the Greek verb didasko, to teach. In the simple aorist tense, manthano means to learn anything. But in this context, manthano refers to the wife learning the facts of God’s plan of salvation. This wonderful plan of salvation includes women in general and wives in particular! The phrase in the Greek about ‘letting a woman learn’ is in the present imperative. Thus Paul is commanding here that wives be continually and repeatedly taught the plan of salvation by their husbands!

What does Paul mean then, when he commands that this learning be done in “silence” and in “submission?” The Greek word translated “silence” is hesuchia and refers to tranquillity of spirit or a state of being undisturbed. Thus Paul is not requiring Christian wives to remain absolutely silent but to speak with calmness and self-control.

“One must bear in mind here that during the era of time when Paul was writing, it was usually men who were the ones to receive an education. If this word meant ‘complete silence,’ women would never have the opportunity to ask questions or increase her [their] knowledge of the Scriptures. Simply speaking, the wife ought to be displaying a tranquil spirit in her attempt to learn” (Zodhiates, The Hebrew/Greek Key Study Bible, World Kein, p. 1497).
Paul is encouraging, indeed commanding, that wives speak up, ask questions, learn of God’s plan of salvation, but that they do so in a manner that does not undermine the husband’s position as head of the family.

The word “submission” must also be understood in this context. The Greek word is hupotage and simply means “to place in proper order.” Hupotage refers to the natural order that God established between the husband and the wife. Paul simply shows here that in the wife’s desire to learn, whether in the family or gathered in Christian fellowship, the proper order requires that she always respect her husband’s position as her leader (cf. 1Corinthians 11:3). As there is complete equality of husband and wife in Christ (Galatians 3:28), Paul is not saying that the wife is inferior to her husband. This is not a matter of superiority and inferiority, as viewed by many today; it is a matter of respecting the God-ordained order in family relationships. Both husband and wife have equal claim and authority over each other (1Corinthians 7:3-5). Nevertheless, God Himself has ordained that when a man and a woman voluntarily enter into a marriage relationship, the husband is to be the leader (Ephesians 5.22-24), and this role is to be upheld, respected and nurtured for the sake of the children and for the very salvation of the wife (1Timothy 2:13-15).

FOUR: Is it Wrong for a Woman to Teach a Man?

The question still remains, what did Paul mean when he commanded the following.

“And I do not permit a woman (wife) to teach (the plan of salvation to her husband) or to have authority (dominate over) over a man (husband), but to be in silence (maintain a tranquil spirit).” (1Timothy 2:12)

The apostle Paul did not intend that a wife remain completly silent in relation to her mate! What kind of marriage relationship would it be if a wife could not say a single thing to her husband? A correct understanding of this verse is contained in the phrases “to teach” and “to have authority.” The phrase “to teach” means “to teach [the plan of salvation] continually.” The phrase “to have authority” (over the husband) literally means to act as oneself, or it can also mean to dominate. Christian wives should not, in public or private, go beyond her ordained God-given marriage position and undermine her mate’s position of the primary salvation teacher with in the church or family. This, however, does not apply to women who are single.

FIVE Saved In Childbearing

The apostle Peter wrote that some of Paul’s words are “hard to be understood.” In his first epistle to Timothy, Paul makes a statement that has been widely misunderstood and misrepresented by ministers and teachers, and has consequently brought needless anxiety to many Christian women.

“Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing . . .” (1Timothy 2:15).

In this verse, Paul is not speaking of Christian women being saved by giving birth to children and fulfilling the role of motherhood, as many have been taught. The words “in childbearing” are a mistranslation of the Greek text. A correct translation would read “through the childbearing.” These words are referring to a specific birth by which believing women are saved, as well as men.

Paul is speaking of the birth of Jesus Christ, the Seed of Genesis 3:15. The promise of His birth was first given when Adam and Eve sinned against God and came under the penalty of death. It is through the birth of Jesus Christ, the promised Savior, that all mankind can be saved from the penalty of sin, which is eternal death.

The meaning of 1Timothy 2:15 becomes clear when we read the verse in its context: Paul is declaring that redemption and salvation are freely available to believing women through the birth of Jesus Christ in the flesh. As the Passover Lamb of God, He shed His blood to free all humans from the condemnation of sin. Nothing we can do in this life could ever earn this redemption. To teach that believing women must bear children in order to obtain God’s gift of salvation is contrary to all that is revealed in Scripture. While little ones are a blessing to a home, and rearing them can teach many lessons about patience and love, the bearing of children should not be viewed as essential for the salvation of Christian women.

“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived (he sinned knowingly), but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression (she was misled into sin). Nevertheless she (women) will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.” (1Timothy 2:13-15)

SIX: A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL

“I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant (Greek: diakonos) of the church in Cenchrea . . . ” (Romans 16:1-2)

Phoebe was a diakonos (Strong’s Concordance #1249). This word is translated in the New Testament scriptures as “servant” (Matthew 23:11; Mark 9:35; John 2:5), “minister” (Matthew 20:26; 2 Corinthians 6:4; Ephesians 3:7), and “deacon” (Philippians 1:1; 1Timothy 3:8, 12). Does that mean she held the office of “deaconess?” Make no mistake, Phoebe was a diakonos — a minister!

Was Phoebe a church pastor? Probably not. She was a ministrant or servant, one who was actually SERVING the needs of others. When men take to themselves the title of “minister,” only to become the man in charge and boss people around, that man is NOT a minister — he is ruling over the faith of others.

Does this mean that there are female ministers in the Bible? Yes, it does. Not pastors, not elders, not bosses, but true servants of God! Are they only meek and weak servants, destined only to wash dishes? Yes, every congregation ought to be FILLED with servants — ministers — men, women, and children (Ephesians 4:12-13)!

I found a number of typos in my post. perhaps the moderator will allow me to correct my typos. my post should have read:

I do not know what COGIC you are talking about. the Church of God in Christ Inc. is against gay marriage. Any Church of God in Christ, Inc. Bishop, Elder, Minister, Missionary or titleholder who endorses gay marriage is in open and blatant rebellion to the Scriptures and the Doctrine of the Church of God in Christ, Inc. while we accept all people to come as they are it is our hope and prayer that they will believe the gospel, repent and be baptized calling on the nsme of the Lord, be filled with the Holy Ghost, and learn the Way of Holiness. we ae by no means a monolithic orgaization and we know that not all of our members are saved but our foundation is in Bible holiness contending for the faith. i trust the Lord Jesus will bring all involved in this endorsement of sin will come to their sense and repent. the behavior is merely symptom of the real problem, and that problem is living after the flesh and minding the things of the flesh. Repent. if you sow to the flesh of the flesh you shall reap corruption. walk in th Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Repent.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

I applaud these young men. At least they are not on the DL like so many preachers are. The Almighty has nothing to do with one sexuality. This is man made. Lesbianism apparently was an excepted practice in the Bible. It only talks of men with men.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

@ David #Romans 1:26-27 for this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did changa the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

i am so glad I can discern truth from error, and light from darkness. i judge according to the Word of God. the evident token of the reprobate is apparent to all who view from the prism of Divine Truth and Righteousness. To engage in dialogue with the Wisdom of the Sons of Perdition is a worthless endeavor. I will continue walking with the King of kings and continue to pray that I might not fall into this chaos. Humility before the Eternal and reverence for the Things of God may have passed in some circles but the simple minded preachers still believe in such things. woe to you double-minded men your path is very cloudy and your future dark and gloomy. look in your horrorscope, the site you see shall be a broken link in time to come. sad day when you pass away and the end you will see for then truly you will bow the knee. for the scope of your horror is not yet seen, but you know that for I have told you before. the way of the ungodly shall fail. when your heart fails then you will see. Great fear and darkness. why are you angry if you are doing well? Sin has overtaken you and you do as you do. Good night.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

According to the bible Audriana, you are to be silent. Put your husband or father online and only he can speak for you. These are men talking little girl.

Of course, I’m only being sarcastic. Just wanted to make a point. But on a serious note, is it necessary to use such language and suggest such violence? We are all Christians here contending for the faith. I don’t think Jesus would approve.

Elder Arnold, times are a changing. Slavery was the norm. The bible was used to justify it, but in today’s culture the notion is absurd. Which laws in the bible are appropriate to take literally and which are figurative? Who decides?

I wish people would really study the books, culture, people, and history of the bible before attempting to discuss apologetics without equivocation. I don’t know it all, but I don’t profess to either.

as a life long learner I think I can handle myself on Biblical Apologetics. People may change but God does not. of course, I am referring to the Immutability. I understand that some Theologians and Seminarians do not believe the Scriptures, however the Wisdom of God is foolishness to those that are lost including unregenerate Theologian and Seminarians.

i guess comparing homosexuality to slavery is a good analogy. please don’t compare the struggle for civil rights with the promotion of homosexuality as normative. Like adultery and fornication homosexuality is sinful. Its nature, its nurture, nevertheless its still sin.

why people choose to identify themselves with their pet sins is telling. I don’t hate nor discriminate against LGTB I just believe that they need redemption just like unsaved heterosexuals, and for that matter celibate unsaved folks. its about salvation in Christ Jesus. none of us can clean up our own acts we all need the help of a power great than ourselves. that power is the power of God which you can study from now into eternity and never receive until you come under the Obedience of Christ. Repentance must be granted by God.

Eld Jackson, my comment regarding apologetics was a general one. Not directed towards you. My apologies if that appeared to be the case. I use a screen name because I don’t want everyone to know who I am. Some may call it hiding, I choose to call it discretion. Maybe it’s my underground railroad of sorts.

My point of it all is that you are entitled to your interpretation as are others. I understand that you feel there is only one correct way to interpret what the bible says about certain things, but that is not the case. I too believe that God does not change but the people who experience him do. As such, their understanding of who he is and how they interact with Him changes. Doesn’t make it wrong. Just is.

When medicine evolved enough to treat seizure activity, tonic/clonic fits were no longer considered demonic possession and the culture changed accordingly. The word of God didn’t necessarily change, but the people’s understanding changed. I think the same will happen with homosexuality. We already know that people are born with female parts on the outside, male parts on the inside, and vice versa. If such glaring birth defects exist, what about very subtle ones that may leave a person, LGBT? It’s not a mistake. It’s Gods plan for creating diversity in his people because we both know, God does not make mistakes.

Lastly, the struggle for LGBT rights has progressed similarly to slavery where these people have been forced into hinding, killed, beaten, and oppressed for being who they are. They were slaves to the “master” mentality of society. Now, the struggle has moved into the arena of civil rights or citizen rights because they are able to legally live freely without repercussions for being who they are. Similar to our progression as black people. So from a certain vantage point, this struggle may very well be likened unto our civil rights movement. At least, these are my beliefs.

no Coolin Rain check my posts I understand that you might have a vested interest in the progress of the LGBT community however you need to understand that there is an answer to your struggle. not some simplistic solution nor some therapy. LBGT behaviors are manifestations of a familial problem. The father of lies has children that are Straight, LGBT, and celibate. Some are church members and even clergy. they shout, dance , preach, claim grace, salvation and fir all practical purposes appear to be born again, spirit filled and sanctified, but they are children of satan. the children of the devil manifest the characteristics of their family because of their father satan.

that is mot to say the devil make them do it. that is the nature. the nurture are the external influences and experiences, good and bad. the mixing of the nature with nurture breeds a deadly combination.

i tell you if you are born of God you would fight this thing like your life depended on it. do you think a person living in adultery, fornication, LGBT, and every other sinful lifestyle pleases God? Accept the Love God has for you in Christ. not just a crisis experience but real Bible Salvation and Sanctification.

@ David #Romans 1:26-27 for this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did changa the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

@CoolinRain, the Word of God never once gave the ‘green light’ to such epraved human behavior as slavery! If the gospel is about proclaiming liberty to the captive, how can it promote the oppression of humanity?

1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 shows that slave trading is a SIN! Therefore, if you purchase the products of something that is sin, you have partaken of it!

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Paul never once gave it a green light! He told those Christian slaves to serve their masters as if serving the Lord because Paul didn’t want slaves (or anyone) to be rebellious/savage etc (ALL UNGODLY CHARACTER) despite their oppression. In the same manner, your lousy job, poverty,sickness, etc should NEVER change you because you’re the light of the world.

Back then, slavery was legal. However, Paul recognised that it was a SINFUL ACT being committed by those who traded and had slaves. See, if you’re a slave right now, John, you should not allow that to change your spirit, because your spirit is eternally freed by Christ, even if your physical body may be bound. That’s why Paul’s spirit was FREE depsite his having been locked up in prison for years!

There are so many churches that carry the cogic name but are not associated with the organization, I’m not saying this is the case with this guy but it’s everywhere.You can’t be a representative of God and be a homosexual if you think you can you have been deceived into believing a lie instead of the truth. (Reprobate mind.)

This is totally against the Bible. God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever he did not change his mind. Don’t be fooled by this. No matter how they try to make it look normal it doesn’t change what the word of God says. These are God’s words and I support my Father! They need to turn from their ways and repent! So that they may be saved or they will spend eternity trying to pay for their sins in Hell. It is real!

Leviticus 20:13 – If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Christians are not under the Law. I understand being against homosexuality. However, under this age of the Holy Spirit we are not under Law. If you think you are, to break one is to break them all. The Law was given as a code of laws to Israel and not to the Gentiles.

@Willie R. Joshnson: you’re absolutely correct! We’re no longer under law, but under grace. However, to whom was Paul speaking both Romans ch. 1 and 1 Corinthians ch. 6 concerning homosexuality? GENTILES! Homosexuality (and all other sins under the sun) was just as common in the pagan nations as it was during the times of the Israelites’ rebellions.

Nothing called “abominable” to God in the Law was ever ‘phased out’ by grace. Eating certain food, wearing certain clothes etc would render the offender ceremonially unclean, but not “abominable” to God. Ceremonial cleanliness etc can no longer be attained by the Law’s adherence, but by faith in the One who justified all: Jesus Christ. What was abominable back then, is still abominable today.

You really think GOD IS AGAINST HIS OWN NATURE? WHAT KIND OF GOD YOU THINK HE IS, JESUS MADE ITS VERY CLEAR HE DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW, SO NOW YOU SAYING YOU CAN BE A CHILD MOLESTER AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN? WOW YOU ARE SICK.
No woder he said this because he knew.people like you , were.going to TRY to claim sin as good.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

This is WRONG on so many levels. THIS IS SIN! Jesus died and paid the penalty FOR sin but here goes these men CRUCIFYING JESUS ALL OVER AGAIN…HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING? Judgement begins FIRST at the house of God…..LET THE FIRE FALL!

@Motorfingaz, whilst @ProphetShields has condemned people to hell and not given them a solution (ie, Jesus can save them), the two gentlemen who’re the subject of the debate, do not reflect the moral and spiritual values that are expected characteristics of “a man of God.” Standing in a pulpit, going to church, singing in the choir, being an usher etc don’t make you a “child of God.” The only thing that does is receiving salvation by faith in Jesus Christ.

I CAN SEE.YOU DO NOT KNOW SCRIPTURE, WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE RIGHT TO JUDGE..

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler-not even to eat with such a one.http://esv.to/1Cor5.11

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?http://esv.to/1Cor5.12

Congratulations to my Bishop!!! I am so proud of his accomplishments and his stance. He has opened the door for so many of us, who were hiding and lying in other mainstream churches, to openly be who we are and fulfill our divine assignment while doing so.
~pastor p

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

Morehouse has always been a haven for homosexuals. This is nothing new. I am not surprised at all at Pope Carter who has no moral barometer. He is triffling at best. It is really time for him to retire. He’s been ther since 1979 and he hasn’t done anything worthwhile since. I remember him preaching a sermon in Chapel after a few Spelman sisters wee killed in a car accident.. Don’t Put Your Trust In A 240Z. He was out of control then and this is another episode of how out of control he is. Carter is no measure of good preaching. He is boring and uninspiring. he couldn’t preach his way to Werstend Mall with crossing guards and directional signs.
As for the gay issue why does it always revert back to the COGIC church. Gays are all over the religious community. This guy came from Tabernacle Baptist where the men cross dress. The ushers are travsvestites. Some have been so bold as to come out while so many others are still in”the closet”. A good place for them to be and stay. How is acting like a woman with all man parts being true. It’s being confused.
I keep asking myself why when a gay person does something it becomes news. I received a very prestigious award last year and nobody reported on it. The award was more honorable than some trite award in King Chapel. I have been inducted into sevaral societies and no one publicized it because I am heterosexual. Furthermore, to be inducted in that circle is really no honor at all. Its an attention grabber by a diminishing potentate who can’t preach himself.
As for the biblical debate on homosexuality it seems very clear. There is no need for “interpolation” (misued) or interpretation. You don’t even need to be biblically well-informed. Just read plain English.
That said, I argue from a purely physiolocgical point of view. The penis does not go in the behind. The woman’s body makes its own lubrication to accomodate entry. Homos have to use something man made to assist. This brings on an onslought of conversations about scientific discovery and innovations. I predicted 30 years ago that science would be the best and the worst thing that happens to humanity. Helping a women conceive using science… a good thing. Greasing a mans booty so another man can poke him… a bad thing. Both scientific. Both not good.
Say what you want. I stood by the bedside of several men dying with HIV ( renal failure, pnuemonia, kidney failure some of the consequences of a deficient immune system) and it was horrible. I watched as life slowly left their bodies. I also watched as family members cried and asked the question “why”. I counseled sons who were embarrassed and angry at their fathers, children angry at their father for infecting their mothers, and family members angry at God. One person chose his own comfort over the discomfort of those he supposed to love. One person chose personal pleasure over family. What is the definition of selfish?
Procreation is in God’s plan for humanities continuation. Homosexuality cannot and will not procreate. They have to rely on those who give birth who don’t want to keep the child or the dumb who keep having them and can’t afford them. For me its not a matter of biblical interpretation, religious preference or my own personal beliefs. Its a choice and those who choose will have to face the consequences of their choice. We all do. In the meantime those of us who disagree have as much right to do so as you have to choose. We don’t have to have our faces rubbed in it. And we don’t have to be branded as homophobic because we disagree. This is still America. Do You but don’t stop me from Doing Me.

Great comment. Additionally, please let me or my staff know when something wonderful happens in your life. We would be glad to report it.
Many people hate me and a few like me. It is my goal share and provoke thought. People do not have to agree, but have the discussion.
It is my goal to expose people to Mother Elise Shaw and to inform of the challenges we face in society. Now some may not agree, but they are all apart of our lives and this is the perfect place to share the full aspect of life.
At times I know I take a great deal of risk, but someone has to be bold enough to do it. Today I read the ugliest e-mail I have received in a long time. The author told me God or the elements were going to kill me in short and that I have no class.
It is amazing to me that people are so programmed to think God will kill me and allow the people I discuss to go free.
We are well rounded people with lives that touch vast lanes. You are a professional at work, a parent at home, a leader at church, a attendee of concerts and shows, but all the same person. Variety is the spice of life and that is my goal with my blog.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

much of this discussion has centered on the most simplistic reading of scripture humanly possible. In roughly 3 years of ministering to the people of Israel, Jesus never once bothered to mention homsexuality or homosexuals in a time when it was commonly practiced, and considered a relatively normal phase of life by the societies that dominated his people, the Greeks and the Romans. Apparently Jesus did not consider Homosexuality a pressing matter.Worthy of his time or comment, He did find time to condemn divorce so I question can an openly divorced person enter the kingdom of God, or a loan officer at the bank, or a rich man? Jesus did find these issues worthy of comment. YES OR NO? Also no disciple of christ bothered to address the issue after his death ever. If Saint Paul (the former Jewish Pharisee Saul of Tarsus), who never met or walked with Jesus during Jesus lifetime. Had not chosen to address male temple prostitution by the gentiles in Romans 1: 26–27, no doubt through the lens of his former learning as a pharisee rather than as a disciple of christ, which he never was, The Christian tradition would have had no mention of homosexuls at all. Also only male same sex issues are legitimately addressed so does that mean lesbians are free to enter the kingdom of God? yes or no. I have seen the new translations that include females but we all know those translations are false as no bible translation includes them before the 20th century. The Scripture is complicated not simple we should not try to make it so in order to accommodate simple minds. As God is large we should not endeavor to make him small in order to accommodate our own insignificance.

Not a good point at all. In fact quite the contrary. Jesus didn’t say you had to work on a job either. he didn’t even say you had to go to church on Sunday. He didn’t say you had to have one wife either. There’s a lot that he didn’t say. So because he didn’t address means its not worthy of mentioning at all. Paul mentioned it. There’s a lot he didn’t mention also. All that Jesus said couldn’t be mentioned. The law does not mention a lot but you’d be hard pressed to show up in court and plead ignorance about it and get away with it. jesus does mention fornicators, adulterers, etc. Lets assume gay is alright with Jesus (it isn’t). The same rule that governs my heterosexual relationship with Christ also governs my gay relationship with Christ. If I have to abstain from sex as a heterosexual they have to refrain from sex as a homosexual. My problem is they want to violate the law and be accepted too. I Cor 6:9, Gal 5 (the works of the flesh). Romans speaks to both male and female same sex. Whats next…justifying humping a dog just because the dog didn’t complain.

So the argument is to what extent does the “rules” of the Bible apply to our immediate life, and to a higher degree, the life of our Bibical leaders… As I was reading the comments, I can’t help but to pose the question: if you feel that you can disregard some of the Bible’s teaching (be it homosexuality or women in the church, depending on which side if the argument you are on) – why be a Christian at all? If the Christian handbook is the Bible and you obviously don’t believe everything in it, why all the trouble/arguing? Write your own and live your life? Or am I just being too extreme? Or just join a church where the teachings line up with our own personal “Bible/teaching/beliefs” and live a content life? Oh Holy Spirit where art thou?! (Note: this post is NOT meant to anger/upset anyone… Simply meant for dialogue. Thank you.)

I love every one but i di=social with gays i may talk to them but i dont hang out with them. use to vist a church in atlanta when i frist move to atlanta the citdale of hope i stop going to many sissy acting was going there but the pastor can preach now but if you vist there a lot he had femmian way also people said that he was gay and have a very petty wife also. I hear some of the women said you cant find a husband in that church mosy of the man didnot what a women. after i heard and sen what was going on i stop going Yes there some gay bishop in the cogic also but God word dont change.

You do not stop going to the filling station because of the lifestyle of another driver.
It is amazing that you can say Pastor Simmons was great preach and in fact he was, but then say he might have had a private lifestyle you so greatly disagree with all in the same breath.
I was a proud member of the Citadel and I did not see more men at our services that possibly were gay then I did when I attended New Birth, Cathedral of The Holy Spirit, or any other church for that matter.
Additionally, why do preachers teach so against homosexuals but pay them handsomely to run their music departments at churches all over the country. I am just wondering.

At the end of the day after all is said and done the brother will be inducted into the Board of Preachers. Although I disagree with Christianity and it’s incredible stories in the Bible, I think he has a right to preach if he is gay. That is really his own business.

What about the liars and the whore mongers and the thieves and the …………. in the church ?
Honestly many Christians feel threatened by an openly gay pastor and will somehow except a gay on the DL. Would you rather have a pastor on the DL or openly gay ?

Will you except a preacher that has an affair outside of his marriage ? Most truly do. Infidelity is a big problem in churches across America. Somehow they are not as degrading as gay sex is to many. The same standard you judge gay preachers , you most apply the same to heterosexual preachers.

I caught a famous preacher having sex in the car in the late 70’s with a woman and she had him tied up in the back seat whipping him. The car smell like three nights in a cattle car. If his flock had seen him in that postion , I wondered if they would allow him to preach in their pulpit. He had been drinking and I would not allow him to drive his car. The lady had to drive otherwise I would have arrested him for DUI . Now he was a freak among freaks.. Yet the strong admonition of gays seems to take on a new color

Gays are human also. They have the same fears and desires and aspirations just as we all do. But to condemn anyone based on the Bible that was written by man without any imput from the Almighty is crazy. Christians get on board because the Pope when asked about gays he responded ” Who am I to Judge? “

All the positive write ups will not justify a Preacher that is Gay knowingly setting himself as the abomination God accepts will ever be acceptable in God Eyes and therefore how can a Pastor lead with the mark of abomination on his life. He needs to first Repent and be set free from his own sins before he can help others. I am disappointed in the University Choice of leadership.

now I am not gonna be the one to judge, but it is hard not to. As a minister, preacher, elder…etc. You are responsible for all of the souls that are in your church. If you are leading souls to christ, then you are responsible. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination, so why is an elder; who is openly gay but allowed to preach? The bible also says that preachers, elders….etc will have a special place in hell for misleading souls. I wouldn’t treat this man no different than any other, but wrong is wrong. Its a shame how people will go against the word just to accept someones lifestyle

@EJ ATLANTA I personally always learn something from your comments. I am disappointed when I don’t see them. In fact, I enjoy everyones opinions and statements. Disagreement does not mean anyone is a homophobe or a hater. And Sir William, please make sure your colorful bowties lead us to Amazon or The New York Times Bestseller Book List, to purchase your forthcoming memoir!!! Exciting!

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

ChileBye, some people think I am unlearned and lacking knowledge. I don’t pretend to know everything but I have conviction. I do try to carefully read the Bible and other sources that assist in arriving at the best conclusion I can. I am not always right either but I try to share whenever I can. I believe there is going to be a revival and all of God’s children will have a chance to repent and be saved; gays, liars, fornicators, thieves, child molesters alike and even preachers who have taught lies, lived lies and accepted lies. When that day come we will see God’s glory. In the meantime we must pray for the spirit of truth to be embraced , preached and taught. Thanks for you kind words.

Just love. Leave the judging to the man upstairs. If you believe a loving God would sentence his own creation to eternal damnation because of sexual orientation, then you are severely naive and have totally missed the reason why Jesus came or why Martin Luther King died. Perhaps many of the bible thumpers should worry about their own orgasms rather than a man whose ministry platform is getting more exposure than theirs.

In an age where relativism and subjectivism reign, and moral absolutes and universal truths are deplored and denied, the greatest evil becomes “judgmentalism” and “intolerance.” If there are no objective moral absolutes, then to make a moral judgment is seen as the height of intolerance and bigotry.

And if there are no ultimate truths, then to make any claim with certainty is to be guilty of the sin of arrogance and narrow-mindedness. But by now any rational and logical reader should be asking a few questions. That is because it is quite apparent that those relativists who are claiming there are no absolutes are themselves making an absolute claim.

They are absolutely sure that there are no such things as absolutes. And they will get really upset with you if you disagree. Indeed, if you dare to question the conventional wisdom on anything — be it global warming or homosexuality — all hell will break loose as you are accused of ugly judgmentalism and hate-filled bigotry.

Yet when the other side trots out their angry agendas and biased beliefs, this is not hateful or intolerant. Go figure. And of course the side that screams the most about tolerance and acceptance and diversity is in fact the side that is most intolerant, unaccepting, and opposed to real diversity.

No wonder the usual response to anything we say is a tsunami of hate, name-calling and mud-slinging. I have actually started saving all the hate mail I get, and it could easily be turned into a rather interesting book. Hardly a day goes by when I am not subjected to a barrage of hate, bile and abuse, all in the name of tolerance, of course.

Let me just offer a few examples that have come in during the past few days:

“Since you’re too scared to email me directly, why don’t you follow on from Fred Phelps and just die? It would be so much easier for both of us. Rest assured, so long as you peddle your abuse I will expose you.”

“You sick little puppy, Bill – you’re no longer a threat. you do a public service – you gather the weirdos and the freaks and the nastiest people ever to your website. Bill, most people think of you as a freak and when they think more they realize how horrible and nasty and pointless you are. Seriously, you and all who are delude like you, there is a special place in hell reserved for you.”

“Christianity is a cult, and they belong in jail for breaking the law.”

So that is the intellectual climate we now find ourselves in. It is of course to be expected from angry atheists and hot-headed homosexuals. But so pervasive is this contaminated climate that the church has taken on board far too much of this.

When I seek to explain to these biblically illiterate Christians that of course we are to judge, they will get very defensive and uptight. This is especially the case if they have issues in their own lives that need attention. “You can’t judge me!” they will shout. “Who are you to judge me?”

But if they are at all open to biblical realism, you can remind them of some home truths here. We are told throughout the New Testament to judge, to test, to discern, to assess, to rebuke, to hold one another to account, to make moral distinctions, and to pronounce judgment when and where it is due.

If they do concede any of this, they will likely still carry on with strict reservations: “Well, maybe we can judge things or ideas, but we are never to judge people.” Oh yeah? Sez who? Have these folks actually even read their Bibles? There we find people are being judged all the time.

The truth is, it is pretty hard to separate what a person does or says from who he is. A person who steals is called a thief. A person who lies is called a liar. Sure, the behavior is sinful and must stop, but the person doing the sin is of course inseparable from the actions.

Thus Paul can say in 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Paul does not just judge the activity, such as sexual immorality, but clearly judges the person doing it, such as the sexually immoral. They of necessity go together. And earlier in this epistle Paul specifically targets individuals for judgment, not just their actions.

In 1. Corinthians 5:1–5 we read,

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

Paul does not just judge this horrible sin of incest; he judges the individual doing it. Of course he had to deal specifically with this sinner in the Corinthian congregation. And they should have as well. And in 1. Corinthians 6:1–5 we find Paul saying this:

If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?

What a clarion call for believers to exercise discernment, make moral judgments, and engage in vitally important church discipline. All this is a lost art in most churches today. And Paul can be even more direct in his approach. Consider how he publicly rebuked Peter, as we read about in Galatians 2:11–14:

When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?”

“Oh, but Jesus would never do that,” some of these invertebrate believers will claim. Poor Peter knows how bogus this is. Remember the episode as found in Matthew 16 where Peter rebukes Jesus and says he will not be killed. What does Jesus say in reply in v. 23? “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

As I say, the secular world has declared moral pronouncements and truth claims to be anathema. Of course they would. But why in the world should the church of Jesus Christ follow suit? We are called at all times to stand for truth, privately and publicly.

And we are also to make moral pronouncements and judgments. Failure to do so means we are refusing to act as Jesus instructed us to act. Sure, we must do all such things in a prayerful, careful and timely fashion. And we must stay on our knees in an attitude of humility, aware of our own vulnerability.

But our refusal to make moral pronouncements and stand for truth is a damning indictment on a church which has lost its way, and has blindly succumbed to the ungodly world around it. No wonder we are so ineffective, and making no real difference in the world.

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

I noticed that this Michael when it come to his comments that you really cannot address him. I don’t know if he is blocking from responding or not. However, I feel you should shut up and get with the problem. Stop being so judgmental. people that hurriedly judge are covering up their life or lifestyle. I feel and sense some hositility because you’re struggling trying to find yourself and that you’re truly covering up who you really are. Come out now Michael many of us that are gay and lesbian will support you. Come out queen!

Please tell me this is a joke. If anyone’s ever read the Bible they’d know homosexuality is detestable by God. However, sin is sin regardless. No sin is weighted greater than any other. But, homosexuality is an evil spirit and it leaves you in a state of constant sin. God ordained that sex be between a man and his wife. This guy is married and can’t even have Biblical sex because he’s married to a man. Nothing about this is okay. HOW can someone preach the word of God knowing they’re constantly living in a state of sin that God specifically addresses in the Word? And what morons would support this and go to a church lead by this guy?

Let’s see…Jesus, when asked about marriage, reaffirmed God’s plan from the beginning. Jesus said, “Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”

This was Jesus’ opportunity to say, “God’s plan is that two people who love eachother…man and woman…woman and woman…man and man…they shall live together and be as one.”

A man should not be in a position of spiritual leadership if he is living in defiance of the Scriptures he preaches.

When I look at so many negative comments concerning his induction it is rather hilarious to me. Most of you all who have a negative perspective come from a very disenfranchise background. It is amazing how you can critique someone else’s experience when the sphere of influence . It’s amazing how many of you are preaching about homosexuals going to hell when you don’t even possess a quality of life that could radically impact someone to live on earth! Further, it is Lowline non informed disenfranchised non-value having individuals that preach the Bible from an unclear perspective and don’t even understand the history of the book that does this world no justice. I am pretty sure that most of the negative comments are coming from individuals that are financially depressed extremely ignorant and probably have a credit score that they couldn’t get a loan on their own money. Until you can make some type of impact in your life exclusively, hold your own testimony about someone else’s lifestyle

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

Why do we compromise God’s Word for feeling, comfort zone, or to please man? My mother is gay/bi or whatever you wanna call it. This Bishop is highly educated and loving yet out of order. Sin is Sin. Why call it anything else? The Bible says to love and sin not. Even though my mother is gay doesn’t mean not to honor her. My Alliance is to the Lord. My Bible says He is the same yesterday, today and forever! He shall not lie nor repent.

No, this is not d”iscrimination.” This is sin. Let’s not play with words. In fact, I’ll go further. God calls homosexuality an abomination:

Leviticus 18:22, 24-30: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

There’s no way around it. People can sugar-coat gay marriage and openly gay “Christians”, but this is just another sign that God has given mankind over to their wicked ways. This also includes the churches. They have been under Gods judgment for quit some time. Over the past few decades churches have incrinsgly accepted homosexuality.

Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Of course, in Gods eyes, ALL sins are the same in the sense that it only takes one sin to find you guilty and condemn you, if God has not paid for your sins. No sinner is better than another sinner. We must not hate someone because they are homosexual, much like we shouldn’t hate an alcoholic or addict. However, for the first time in history, homosexuality is an act that is being widely accepted by many “Christians” today. There is no way one can ignore what the Bible says about this sin if they claim to be Christian. This is just an event token of Gods wrath upon the world and the churches today.

Reblogged this on raferkelly and commented:
Another step forward. Think of the example for young men and women, straight and gay. We often don’t think of the straight ones and how they benefit, but when a gay person is able to live his or her truth, they then don’t entangle or otherwise waste a straight person’s time and their own in a romantic partnership. This is a good thing for all concerned, after all we are seeking to love and be loved and that can only come with full honesty and when we are happy within ourselves.

This way, everyone has the best opportunity to live a full and happy life. Just think of it, if we were all able to live our truths – and not what we are taught we ‘should’ or ‘have’ to – won’t that lead to fulfillment and happiness in love and life?

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

@JalenNelson Interesting, your comment. Great you feel your Mom should always be loved. You are a blessing to always yet love your Mom, even though you are holding onto God’s truth. Takes the love of God to do that.

leviticus 18:22’You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23’Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.…
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

Steven…these homosexuals know EVERYTHING you just posted (especially those hiding in the church). They just refuse to abide by it, its as simple as that. Dont waste your time and energy explaining something to them that they already know. They are only going to make excuses to live that way because it is a burning desire in them to do so…its not hard to figure out “There is none who is more blind than he who WILL NOT see”

Okay, so let’s put exactly what the bible says about it. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The BIBLE says the penalty is death. So get to it! Why are you all not out there murdering gays by the droves? Yeah, I know, I know, the BIBLE also says thou shalt not murder and to obey the law of the land. But which one comes first? You could be justified in the eyes of the Lord if you did murder and if the courts killed you, God wouldn’t condemn you to hell for murder anyway. For you to live in Christ to die is gain right?!? Besides, obedience is better than sacrifice. Or maybe, you are doing the Christianly thing and showing mercy where the almighty God could/would not.

Hold up! I know how you can get away with it biblically and legally, just kill them with your words. Make their lives miserable. Make them hate themselves, drink and drug, hide, have promiscuous and loveless sex because of such low self esteem. Your hands would be technically clean because you are just upholding the word of God.

Aw snap, but wait, Jesus (not Paul who never actually met THE MAN) said, ” A NEW commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” But I hear you already, “I do love them, that’s why I have to preach the uncompromised word of God to them in season and out of season!”

If you didn’t guess, in order to drive home a point that many of you won’t consider anyway, I’m really being sarcastic regarding murdering folks .

I will cease this fruitless conversation. Some people can not allow themselves the opportunity to consider possibilities outside their realm of experiences and spoon fed regurgitation of theology.

I pray each of you find the love of Christ in your life and extend it beyond your grasp.

sin is sin no matter how u try to bend it or twist it ,…..the word of God is clear and straight and not even satanic advocates like you can compromise it ….doing gay in the house of God is unbearable therefore is a much more capital sin than one could imagine …..lets watch how they will end up when God’s anger befall them ….big fools with ID card

The law does not change just the discretion related to the punishment. You wouldn’t no more suggest that a theif have his hand cut off for stealing as you would a peeping tom have his eyes put out. Both are crimes but how you meet out the punishment or what punishment is given does in no way suggest that the crime is not a crime. Christians can’t go around killing gays, theives or anyone for that matter just because they committed a sin (crime). Our job is to point out sin not condemn the sinner. God still has that under his list of duties and responsibilities. Even your comments will be judged.
I don’t for one minute take the position that I am the judge. i am just the announcer that the judge is coming. I also am the one to warn you of those things that he will judge. Its up to you to accept or reject it. in the end your choice, your life.

All I’m reading is a bunch of hypocritical and judgmental comments. People are so focused on things happening in the natural that they completely forget and don’t even know it’s ALL spiritual. And because people are so ignorant to that fact, they get completely distracted. Open up your mind… “This world\ universe is not real! (THE MATRIX) This is a spiritual warfare. And it’s a very serious one. This world is merely a battle field, so strategically designed, to the point where things are already set up for your downfall or upliftment. And the number one strategy designed to aide in downfalls? RELIGION. Even “The Bible”, which was 100% GOD’s word at one point, has been altered and changed. Some things were taken out, some things were put in, Some things stayed, some things didn’t. Needless to say, it all became confusing. (my advice..don’t read it, unless GOD confirms it.) So, the aim of the game, who can win the most soldiers. There are two, ONLY TWO (2) different teams. Good-Evil, Light-Darkness, Right-Wrong (YES, there are different ways to call it what it is, but each name is just as important. The main thing you can’t forget is each name represents one of the TWO teams. People often misunderstand or forget or don’t even think about the fact that they are all the same and that in itself was a strategy) One team obviously represents GOD and the other team obviously represents Lucifer. Just for the sake of people who claims they don’t believe in GOD, call the teams Good and Evil. From the time we are born we are taught the difference between wrong and right, Why? Because life is all about choices. When led by the spirit of #Good you produce good fruits. When led by the spirit of #Evil you produce bad fruits. No one can make you choose and even those who say they choose neither (IE. Atheists) actually do choose. The evidence to who they choose is in the fruits they produce. And please, please, please understand this people and I cannot stress this enough!!! THERE ARE NO MIDDLE GROUNDS!!!!! YOU EITHER CHOOSE GOOD OR YOU CHOOSE EVIL. Now, I can’t tell you bout’ the other side, but when you choose good you choose GOD and GOD is all about love. Loving yourself, loving your neighbors, loving your enemies. When you choose GOD you are making a choice to live righteously everyday, all day. In EVERYTHING we do, we MUST be righteous! In thoughts, in speech, in actions, we are required by God to ALWAYS do right. It’s quite simple really: Ask yourself what Christ would do, for there is no greater life than to live and walk in the spirit of Christ. Remember, If it ain’t good, it ain’t God, so it ain’t righteous. Do you think that God actually cares about these men sexual orientation?? He cares about the heart, the type of spirit you are (the body is just a suite) These men are fulfilling what GOD calls the #1 purpose of living, taking HIS love to every nation of the world. (they are starting somewhere) Do you not think GOD is pleased with them??? Who are you to judge? What are you doing?? Each and everyone of you, it’s time to put YOUR mirror up, who does your spirit reflect?? Who do you #choose to have dominion over your life?? “The dominion of light” (God) or “The dominion on darkness” (Lucifer)? Make your choice from the #heart and not the mind, for the #mind is easily swayed”. #God #Bless you all.

He’ll is enlarging itself. A lot these folks has been deceived by satan. People actually think you can continue in SIN which God hates that His grace may abound in your life? I don’t think so, God made Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve. Confusing folks who are not saved. But God is not the author of confusion. Get truly saved and get delivered from you home ways before you end up in hell.

Continued*Homosexual ways. Then get truly filled with baptism of the Holy Ghost. I was a wretch undone before the Lord saved and filled me. But, I found out that God will not dwell in a unclean temple. I’m so sick of people teaching and preaching “water down Christianity” and people need to start back preaching that’s it’s “Holiness or Hell” with the whole world. And with being Holy you can not see God. I’m a living witnesses. And had a living testimony how the Lord can truly save, deliver, and fill you with the baptism of the Holy Ghost and that with the mighty burning fire with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I thank God I got it when I did! People are dying spiritual before they die physical. Like my Pastor preached Sunday we living where in times where we have “Sick Churches in a Sick World” Help us Lord!! Cry loud and spare not…

This breaks my heart. I understand that we all sin and that nobody is perfect, but this is too much. so does he like skip the part were it talks about homosexuality and the union between a man and a woman? I don’t mean to judge, but it seems very hypocritical. And that child….I believe every child should have a mother and father. Being a little girl she is going to wonder why she doesn’t have a mother in her life. Let’s be honest here, some children that grow up in these situations grow up wishing they had a mother or father. This aches my heart.

Unbelievable. Dean Martin seems like you have had sex with Clay Allen after a late nite breakfast . The Bible says man and woman cause homosexual will not enter the kingdom of God according word if God you should preach. So seems to me you are not preaching the hold Bible just what makes you feel good. Read Gen. 19 and see what happen to those who people. Remember when you please self you are not pleasing God.

Christ Jesus my savior did come to redeem us but we have to accept His ways and turn from ours . Saying that if sin was sin in the Old Testament it is sin in the New Testament. He came not to change the word but to fulfil the word to redeem us.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

The whole problem with this issue here is the “OXYMORON” being promulgated here; that is “PREACHER-GAY”. Your personal biased opinions will never outweigh the validity of the most infallible & unmistakable Word of God; which says this lifestyle is SIN and an ABOMINATION in His sight. To “Sir William”; if you are COGIC (as I was for almost 20 yrs), if you are indeed an Ordained Elder, and you are openly GAY, or hiding behind your collar, you are most definitely out of order! As far as Prophet Nathan Simmons goes, he lived a double lifestyle, he was out of order, and he got the recompense of his reward, as the bible states. I know the whole situation concerning him, so I won’t waste time going back & forth with you about that matter. Any member of clergy that is gay or lesbian isn’t really clergy at all; for true clergy will walk & talk, live & breathe the Word of God, and live in HOLINESS! Maybe some of you that approve of this induction might want to really discover what this Word Holiness means! God warns all those who simply “approve of” these things . . .

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men . . .
For even their women exchanged the natural use
for what is against nature (lesbianism).
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burning in their lust for one another,
men with men committing what is shameful (homosexuality) . . .
that those who practice these things are worthy of death (Hell),
and not only those who do the same
but also those who approve of those who practice them!”
(Romans 1:18, 26, 27, 32)
(Note: Other offenses were also included which were not listed here.)

Here, God clearly warns all those who simply “tolerate” or “approve of ” these things with their great “open-mindedness” will be held just as accountable as those who actually do them. This applies to churches and pastors/ministers/priests/rabbis as well. If you are in a church or have a church leader who “approves of” and supports this activity, you might be interested in studying the prophecies on “corruption of churches”. The Bible is not ambiguous in its message concerning homosexuality. Homosexuality is not new. God never calls for capital punishment, or calls anything “profane” or an “abomination” if it is simply “genetic.” When we study the passages concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, it appears homosexuality, or sodomy, is symptomatic of a people who have willfully rejected and defiantly mock God’s laws in order to do “that which is right in their own eyes.” Sodom and Gomorrah were given as warnings . . .
“As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, (a total of 5 cities were destroyed) having given themselves over to sexual immorality, and gone after strange flesh, (homosexuality) are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7)

“And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them (Sodom and Gomorrah) to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly …” (2 Peter 2:6)

Who Loves the Homosexual More?
The Christian (a follower of Jesus Christ, the Messiah of Israel) is commanded to “love others” and treat them as we would want to be treated. According to the Bible, a person living in homosexual sin “will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven” and those who “approve of those who do such things” will be held just as guilty. In the Bible, we find Jesus Christ’s first command was to “repent” (turn away from those things which are in opposition to God’s Law) and then to trust in Him alone to save us from all our sins. He said He came to “save sinners” … lots of them … both Jew and Gentile … any who would believe and trust in Him. The Bible warns until we acknowledge we are sinners and we desperately need a Savior (to save us from our sins … past, present, and future) we won’t be saved from Hell . . .

So, who loves the homosexual more? One who tells them it’s okay to continue in a sin the Bible warns will condemn them to an eternity in Hell … or someone who is willing to endure the anger, ridicule, and hate to warn them and to try to get them into Heaven as a neighbor and as a friend? In Proverbs 27:6 God says, “Faithful are the wounds of a friend … but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” Jesus (Yeshua) said more about Hell than He did about Heaven … and the true believing Christian will try to get as many boys, girls, men, and women into the Kingdom of Heaven as possible. If a Christian truly hated the homosexual (or anyone willfully sinning against God’s law) they would simply keep silent and let them suffer in the eternal darkness, loneliness, and torment of Hell. Yet, all believing Christians have had to come face-to-face with the fact we are all sinners and desperately need a ‘Savior’ to save us from our sins and from Hell. Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha’Mashiach in Hebrew) commands us to ‘love our enemies’ … and you can’t love someone without warning them when they are in great and grave danger.

It is false doctrine in direct opposition to God’s Word that teaches God’s “love” approves of or accepts homosexuality. The Bible clearly says homosexuality-lesbianism is sin. Jesus said He came to save sinners … Jesus suffered and died for all sinners. And we are all sinners. God hates sin because He knows the terrible consequences …

To make this perfectly clear to all, “GOD LOVES HIS CREATION, BUT HE DOES NOT LOVE, NOR WILL HE EVER ACCEPT THE HOMOSEXUAL/LESBIAN THEY DECIDED TO BE!” The Bible warns anybody who “defends” or “approves of” or “promotes” or “protects” this sin (or any sin) has openly declared themselves to be an enemy of God by trying to block His loving and gracious efforts to reach out and save them. That is why He pleads with all to repent (turn away) from doing those things that are against His laws, His statutes, and His rules … and with tears of joy and with the open arms of a loving Father He will richly forgive and welcome all back who return to Him.

Please remember, our God is a forgiving God who will forgive any and all who have sinned against Him. Any sinner, including those who have walked the path of homosexuality or have had an abortion, can be lovingly forgiven and washed clean through the blood of the Lamb.

The only way you would have known if Pastor Simmons was living a double life is because he told you or showed you!
No for me, I wrote a post to my blog about my school honoring a man. You do not know me so to pass some type of judgement is out of order at best.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

All yall judgmental people need to hush. Preachers these days don’t care about people’s souls. All they care about is money. Driving Mercedes, BMWs, Cadillacs, Hummers and so on. Drive right past someone walking to church. Most of them got girlfriends on the side or boyfriends too. Got children by all kinds of women other than their wives. I’m so tired of yall acting like homosexuality is the greatest sin known to man. It is not. Jesus never mentioned it. So yall need to get out of here with that mess. If you don’t like Rev. Allen, don’t attend his church. Plain and simple. There are other crooked preachers to give your tithes to. while they being adulterers, money changers and everything else. Shut Up

the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
1Tim1.10

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom1.26
And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom1.27

“ For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. “

“ For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error”.

(2 Timothy 3:1) 3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be . . . .

(2 Timothy 3:3) having no natural affection, NOT OPEN TO ANY AGREEMENT, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,

NOT OPEN TO ANY AGREEMENT even with God saying to us this is not holy or clean in his eye!

(1 Corinthians 6:9, 10) Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners WILL NOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM

I have no problem with anyone personal choice of a mate BUT my god does and he has the right to say what is acceptable and what isnt since he did create everything and everyone!

To answer your question Curiositous. . . .
(1 John 5:3) For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,
. . . so no im not gay for that reason above!

The validity of a marriage is not dependent on the virginity of the wife. Else where there are commandments which militate against this. These tactics you are using are very much like the tactics of the religious leaders in the days when Jesus of Nazareth ministered on earth in the flesh.

Right…some of the commandments contradict each other. Which is exactly the point I was trying to make. The divorce rate among heterosexual Christians is ridiculous. I never hear anything about that. People get all in a tizzy over gay marriage and gay ministers. They are no worse or no better than any other ministers of the Gospel. At least they are not hiding and being hypocrites like one preacher I know who has a wife, a girlfriend and a boyfriends. Yall need to leave Rev. Allen alone.

PROTECTION FOR WOMEN
Women were protected by the marriage laws. Although polygamy was practiced, God not yet acting to restore the original state of monogamy (Gen. 2:23, 24), it was regulated. The firstborn son of a man although by the less-loved wife could not be deprived of his firstborn rights. (Deut. 21:15-17) A man had to have valid cause to divorce his wife, and additionally was required to give her a certificate of divorce. (Deut. 24:1) This protected her from possible charges of adultery or prostitution later on. A Hebrew slave girl taken as a wife was guaranteed her sustenance, clothing and marriage due, even if the man favored another wife. (Ex. 21:7-11) One who seduced a virgin girl before marriage could never divorce her. (Deut. 22:28, 29) The soldier who married a captive virgin girl could not later sell her into slavery.—Deut. 21:10-14.

This was all up under the mosiac law which Jesus death replaced. We no longer sacrafice ram or fine flour.

Wouldn’t it be of true importance if we followed what jesus commanded us to do so if we truly love Jehovah?

Well, you have named the board after one of “the greatest apostates” then it stands to reason why you’ve added an openly gay minister to the “board.” My understanding of the word apostasy to mean,”Abandonment of one’s beliefs, as in a religion or cause.” An apostate would be a person who has abandon his faith. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. did not abandon his faith in Christ Jesus nor the Gospel that he preached.

Dr. King was truly a man of faith and courage to describe him as an apostate is ludricous. There isn’t any biblical justification for your decision, no you may choose an openly drunkard, child molester etc, to your board.
Wow!

All you bloggers above, please shut up and get with the program. If you have a problem with gay people then get on a blog that only deals with straight issues instead of judging folk. Each and every one of you have some hidden issue whether it being a gay issue. Stay of the blog you under cover punk and lesbian lickers

im looking for a new lover. im a 25 year old professional woman CEO of an Atlanta Based IT Company. Im looking for some one to spend quiet weekends with, over seas travel, and possible long term passionate relationship with. Please respond and we might can sit down and talk about it.

Our world is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah because our laws are allowing gay marriages. So guess what Jesus said about this? Matthew 10:15 Sodomites are wolves. God will send sheep among the wolves to be wise as serpents but as gentle as doves… (Matthew 10:16 continuing) “Those who willingly sin, there is no sacrifice for you.” You will be punished worse than those who disobeyed the laws of Moses in the past. (Hebrews 10:26-31) We are to teach the sinners and pull them out of hellfire but if they don’t listen, let them go so you will not fall in hell yourself. (Jude 1:23-24) We have to hate the sin. We only love our enemies by blessing them to do what is right. A perfect teacher of God teaches what is right. (Matthew 5:44-48) Even the gay ministers and prophets will be punished. (II Peter 2) Read it and weep. Repent and stop teaching sin. It’s is unbecoming of you.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

So let me get this straight. You scoured 2,000 years of church history, and then took a “love letter” from a couple guys named ‘Anselm’ and ‘Gundulf’ – and then claim that this = Christianity supporting homosexual relationships from the beginning? Wow.

Dj Splash my good friend gay priest and pastors have forever been a part of Christian lives. Homosexual activity was an excepted practice by the Romans, Greeks , and other cultures around the Mediterranian during this era. Antinous was a gay God during that time. So many customs from the Pagans filtered over to Christianity. Several BIshops and Popes were gay as well. This is baloney my good friend. The Almighty does not care with whom you sleep with. These are personal choices. How many DL preachers do you know personally ? Tons I bet you . Christianity has always breed the culture. A lot of my homophobic friends thinks that all that goes to church are low self esteemed women and male homosexuals.

According to the Bible you think you understand, all eunuchs are not castrated by men but are born that way. So my good friend are men born without testicles and sufficient testestrone considered male ? Since the Bible and people like you are so condemning are they to ever love whoever they wish ? The Bible was written out of fear. They were afraid of homosexuals and simply did not understand them. Lesbianism in not addressed in your antiquated Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

I was reading a news article about two lesbians who got married just a few months back and they are already seeking a divorce. Just give it time and the divorce rate among gays will be high too. That’s if they don’t kill each other first. I say it again, until you sit by the bedside of a person dying from HIV related disease, holding their hand as I have done many times (that show I am not homophobic or judgmental against gays), counsel their families and watch them take their last breath you can cling to your position. In my last episode I had a gay person as me while dying, ‘why didn’t they tell me I was wrong”. I cried with him because as he faced death he really came to his senses. His children sat there with tears in their eyes as he took his last breath. I led him to Christ in the few minutes he had left. I personally believe he made it in, but it was a shame he had to die in the first place. So go ahead and believe what you want. Death makes a believer out of all of us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts 10 or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
2 Peter 2
Good News Translation (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!
4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness,[a] waiting for the Day of Judgment.

Matthew 15:13-14
Good News Translation (GNT)
13 “Every plant which my Father in heaven did not plant will be pulled up,” answered Jesus. 14 “Don’t worry about them! They are blind leaders of the blind; and when one blind man leads another, both fall into a ditch.”

Matthew 18:6-7
Good News Translation (GNT)
Temptations to Sin
6 “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. 7 How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith! Such things will always happen—but how terrible for the one who causes them!

My speech:
Sin Is Sin…Homosexuals claim that denying the free expression of homosexuality is “suppressing one’s true self”, but scripture clearly instructs that we are hold our bodies in check and refuse it participation in sexual immorality. This passage further emphasizes that no one should expect to escape the “wrath of God” except they repent.

Questions for homosexuals and I demand answers:
• Is there anywhere in the bible that approves homosexual practices… if there is a verse that supports it then prove it …am waiting to hear your reply?

• Since homo is also a form of marriage…why then are blood brothers and sister unable to wed legally?…why then are fathers unable to marry their daughters?….or why then does people who practice incest not getting the equal right?…simply because it is sinful…. the same way homo is sinful. … or do u have anything to say other than this? …

• From creation it takes a male and a female of any kind to conceive… in the other hand(the so called homos) it is impossible why? …simply because they are not meant for marriage or do u want to say something stupid other than this?
• What could you possibly be looking for in a fellow man’s anus when you know it is just for excrete with a disgusting smell? ….oooouush!!…better tell satan to stop holding you by your trouser .. disgusting , worthless, warts like you homos.

Yes, one person said only a man can marry a virgin woman. This is true but if they divorce because of her infidelity, she cannot remarry unless she repents. No one can marry the man if he was the infidel unless he repents. The Catholics did not understand that message. Homosexuals are unrepentant. Neither one is leaving the sin. Perverted sex is a sin no matter which words you use to describe it. I saw a post saying that the word homosexual is not in the bible. It is a new English word, of course the first century did not have that vocabulary, yet. This entire site is filthy if they still support gay marriage. God will send them a curse they wish they never saw. God still punishes those who hate the laws of Moses and ignore Leviticus 18.

Really? I read all of this and what a mess. Get over it if you have a problem with homosexuals. If its such a problem with you and those that think like you, find another blog or something to entertain yourself with. All you so called deep in the woord folk. Do some good in your community or something and leave the homophobic attitude somewhere else. Its here, its going to stay and theres nothing you can do. So, Get over it! and move on to something thats more important like affordable housing, employment, healthcare, Kelvin, you suck in every way possible. I bet you even suck you know what!

Pastor you should be ashamed of yourself. I think the only one sucking is you. Its here, but its not going to stay. Healthcare is a good one. I guess we will have to pay for your care when you are lying in Hospice.

@ E.J. it may be the case that I might stand over you while you’re wasting away with AIDS. Since you’re so HOLY THAN THOU and yet, I have read many negative comments you have made and all of a sudden you want to confront me, challenge me, bring it on and before the end of the day, you’ll be crawling to me for attention. C’mon!

Christians aint nothing changed. Except for one thing an openly honest preacher that is tired of living a lie about his true self. Have all the other preacher come out of the closet and I bet you it could easily run over 30%.

We are not homophobic. The homos are heterophobic. I am Sataniphobic. Homosexuality comes from Satan. We are not supposed to love Satan and his followers. Your gay priest is a follower of Satan even though his mouth says bible verses. We see what we see. I see the devil in gay marriages. You are not God’s people.
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Pastor and I use the word very sarcastically, you confront yourself. You are challenged by the Word. I don’t need the attention of a guy who takes it up the a___. I am wondering if you suffer from daddy issues or the lack of male attention as a child. Something drastic had to happen for you to be that nasty. You will never stand over me for anything. I wont have HIV and I am not Holy Than Thou (its actually holier than thou). Its a comparison which requires a superlative. I really don’t care what you do or who you do it with, I am just saying I have had to counsel people who were just as adamant about their lifestyle until they faced death. My point is why get to that point just to prove you are right. If that’s your taste, taste on. I still believe that homosexuality is demonic and despite what the AMA, APA says you were not born that way and if you were you can be born again.
I know you are suffering from something because in another blog you applaud Kevin but here you say he sucks. Wouldn’t you like that. Start your own denomination. COGIC will take your money and still ignore you.

First of all, I did not address that statement to Kevin, the people who was being disrespectful name was Kelvin not Kevin. Use your glasses idiot. Kelvin whose name it was. Kelvin. 2nd, people like you E.J. are a dime a dozen. Now with all the counseling done in your life i wonder had you ever had any counseling yourself? All i see is a person hiding behind two letters who is either homophobic curious and hoping someone might actually give you the time of day. It appears you always have a comment thatis negative whenver the issue of sexuality is addressed on this site. Since you live or say you’re from Atlanta, (The Gay Capitalof the World) why not one night go out and scroll and learn. If you’re going to address me please come correct dude or dame.

No minister or Christian should use the word homophobic. If you are gay, you are Godphobic. You hate God because you disrepect his laws that marriage means one man and one woman as designed in God’s Garden with Adam and Eve. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

Sir William, I am sure that E.J. of Atlanta ill have a front roll seat since he is judgmental and always has an answer for everything. Maybe if he attends he might just actually learn something other than trying to be himself

Bishop Allen is not a man that would take the time to respond to his criticizers. Christians are judging way more then they are loving these days. Take the bible as literal as you need to but remember to never, throw stones at glass houses. People continue to ride their high horse, “Every high place will be made low.” Be blessed.

Again E.J. he name was Kelvin Kwankwo, not Kevin. This brother and I have had several personal debates and conversations on several subjects from Bibiology to homosexuality. he is a PH.D. and no wanna be like you. He’s intelligent enough to have a argument with not you. The next time before you open your outh, get the facts first and then come at me, otherwise, shut-up and go back to the video store girl!

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

@David Washington, The David i Know in the Bible was Not a Homo. I Suppose u should emulate From Him But Since u Refused To Take After His Foot Steps, Am changing your Name This Moment to (Dav Washtoilet).

Look At Yourself Talking..We Cannot Clap For You For Doing An Evil Such As Homo In The House Of God. U Are A Mistake Of God’s Creation. When Others Are Talking, Micro-Warts Like You Should Not Come Out To Say Something Because U Are An Unclean Idiots.

Am Just Wondering How U Feel When U Look At Ur Fellow Idiot With Bears And Muscles, Referring Him As Honey, Sexing A Fellow Man And After Which You Go To The Bathroom To Wash Off The Disgusting Smelling Excrete Of His On Your Penis With Your Own Hands. Tell Me Is That Not A Dirty Life To Start With. Fake Prophets.

Give Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports Homo U Could Not And U Expect The Man Of Satan In Disguise To Preach. What Is He Going To Preach Since He Cannot Use The Same Bible To Justify His Act.

Sandra allow me to ak you in a more intelligent way. Tell me, are drunkards, cigarette smokers, crack addicts, pedophiles, whoremongers, gamblers, adulteres etc followers of satan? There are people that are addictive to things they were introduced to like crack. Again, hide behind your bible shield of scriptures. Im certain you have demons embedded deep inside you.

1 Timothy 1:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

The Idiots Among Us (The Homos) Should Kindly Take Reference In The Bible Since This Has A Lot To Do With Religion And They Should Stop Basing Their Argument On Self, Senseless Assumption To Best-Fit Their Sinful Trade… Show Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports The So Called Dirty Homosexual act.
I Wish All The So Called Homos/gay Baby’s Diapers Soon….Because Am 100 Percent Sure That You guys Will Loose The Elasticity Of Your Anus Muscles… I rebook you in Jesus name !!!

Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / 23 helpful votes
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

James 4:17 ESV / 152 helpful votes
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Galatians 5:16 ESV / 54 helpful votes
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

James 4:7 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 John 5:17 ESV / 39 helpful votes
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV / 21 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

2 Timothy 2:19 ESV / 20 helpful votes
But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Kelvin, i have already loosed the elastic in your anal hole. Here you coming on acting like you are all that you under cover fag. Don’t make me embarrass your ass faggot masquarading as some over night prophet. Don’t make me expose you for who you really are queen. I will tell everyone about the other night with you faggot!

Look At Yourself Talking..We Cannot Clap For You For Doing An Evil Such As Homo In The House Of God. U Are A Mistake Of God’s Creation. When Others Are Talking, Micro-Warts Like You Will Also Come Out To Say Something Idiots.

Am Just Wondering How U Feel When U Look At Ur Fellow Idiot With Bears And Muscles, Referring Him As Honey, Sexing A Fellow Man And After Which You Go To The Bathroom To Wash Off The Disgusting Smelling Excrete Of His On Your Penis With Your Own Hands. Tell Me Is That Not A Dirty Life To Start With. Fake Prophets.

Give Me A Verse In The Bible That Supports Homo U Could Not And U Expect The Man Of Satan In Disguise To Preach. What Is He Going To Preach Since He Cannot Use The Same Bible To Justify His Act.

Reakky Kelvin you sound so very stupid. I know where i am in life but you and people like you are so very stupid. You are just a micro to dust you do not matter you’re nothing and nobody. When was the last time you got down on your knees in the position not to pray, but to position yourself before your male lover? Oh. i forgot last night! You may have your blogger friends fooled, you may even got Sir William fooled, but the one and only fooled is you. Yes, this Kelvin Osita Nwankwo is actually a undercover fag rag stuggling to find himself so he goes on the attack like Ms E.J. that is masquerading all over Atlanta, Ga in drags. Kelvin, please admit and acknowledge yorself as the woman you are girl.

@ Dav Washtoilet….that is ur new name hence forth…. prove ur stupidity by given me a reference in the bible where homo is approved…fake prophet ….i rebook u in Jesus name …..look at how idiotic those men are by adopting a baby girl… why do they have to adopt a child a homophobic gave birth to …open ur eyes and see reasons Dav washtoilet a.k.a.idiot

First of all, I want to say Thank You for welcoming me to this esteemed honor and to the many honored clergy in the city of Atlanta. I usually do not entertain situations like this espeially to the negativeness of sterotypes and people that are extremed in their pontificousness when it come to singeling gays and lesbians. I am not here to flaunt myself around the city with such ignorance as you may assume because im too intelligent to focus myself on the many negative comments made bu those that surf this site. Be assured that the work of Dr.King will continue whether people like this Kelvin Osita and others continue to rage themselves in scriptures they themselves do not understand. Thanks again Atlanta and may God continue the work he started in you.

Since when has being gay become ok? What you do is what you do in your house but you can’t even get mad when you are open about it! Jesus died for our sins but that doesn’t mean you get to keep sinning especially When you know the word as a minister. Then people are wondering why the church is falling to the wayside. People that want to be in something real and stable see these hypocrites. People preaching the word but NOT living it. When you come to the alter you are saved from all sin the holy spirit Cannot dwell in sin because it is pure so how is it living in this gay relationship?

@Laura Harris, my question to you and the other straight religious bible toting scripture slinging wanna be theologians on this site spreading what you cannot accomodate intellectually or interpret rightfully the scriptures using it as a baseball bat swinging at people that choose their lifestyle. I mean, no one is above it all, whether i choose as a lover of the same sex or commit adultery infedelity or even choose a harem of women or men is really no concern of yours or anyone that thinks like you E.J. or this fake person Kelvin Osita or whoever the hell he is, he needs to have his mouth cleansed not only with soap but whatevr his curiousity takes him, just shut up idiot, but for you Laura, i wonder do you sin, do you have secrets, do you meet all the requirements of the HOLY BIBLE? before you answer this, search yourself.

This was suppose to be an announcement to the members of MOREHOUSE announing the new induction of Bishop O.C. Allen, wow, anyway, Happy to have you bishop, im certain you would have a great impact on alll of us fellow clergymen and clergy women that labor with us in the gospel. As for that idiot from africa or wherever he is from along with E.J. who i assume lives here in the city of Atlanta, he should come and visit like someone earlier had invited him to do so, he should come and learn something before he addresses anyone that might happen to be two inches intelligent than he is. KNOW THYSELF BROTHER/SISTER

It has been brought to my attention that someone has posted a comment to the post on my blog about Bishop Allen being inducted into the Dr. King Board of preachers and it is not him.
My goal with this blog is to be an in your face, thought provoking form of expression. We will not always agree, but we can dialogue and learn from each other. However, I am greatly disappointed in the language, name calling, and recent attacks on others. That is not what my goal is here. Yes! I love the visits and yes you cause numbers to increase, but do not lie,
Warning your IP ADDRESS IS RECORDED! Even if you use a fake e-mail address your location is easily recorded. You got it city, state, and physical address. Even your internet service provider is told to me. Now if you are using a smart phone or a mobile device you can be tracked.
As a result, let this be the last the something like that happens here. I would not want to have to expose you in a post, but you know I will. Let me be clear! Stop the foolishness and dialogue.

Ok, let me deal with 1 person at a time. First, to the gentleman known as Mr.(no calling you Sir here!) William G. McCray III. I knew Prophet Nathan Simmons personally, and I traveled in a clergy circle of Apostles & Prophets while Prophet Simmons was alive. I know his widow Angelique and his children. In a circle of leaders, the confession came from the very mouth of Prophet Simmons about his lifestyle, and the fact he contracted HIV/AIDS; while the church world (far different from the Kingdom) tried to lie & say it was cancer. What really has me puzzled about you young man, is that you seem to be suffering from “Rhetorical Oversight”, because I didn’t pass judgment on you concerning anything. With this baseless comment you responded with, it demonstrates to me you missed a key word I wrote in my address to you. I didn’t say you were GAY, I specifically said “IF” you were GAY, and a member of the COGIC clergy, and hiding behind the collar you were “WRONG & OUT OF ORDER!” So, if you are, just epitomize the old Toni Braxton song, and “JUST BE A MAN ABOUT IT!” (Man Up, Fess Up!) If not, we bless the Lord for your true Christian lifestyle. Your disposition and attitude concerning this whole issue reminds me of TONEX, so my 2 questions (not any form of accusation) are simply going to be these. (I’m going to pull an Oprah Winfrey move here!)
1. “According to the Holy Bible, is Homosexuality & Lesbianism a Sin? ”
2. “According to the Holy Bible, if a person dies as a Homosexual or Lesbian; will they go to Heaven, and be allowed to enter in?”
These are 2 very seriously important questions that we would like to receive a response from you, AND WE WOULD GREATLY APRECIATE “CONCRETE & BIBLICAL aNSWERS” You don’t have to be sneering, condescending or become personal about. Now, to respectfully answer your question concerning me exercising my political rights to vote, here’s my response. Because of Mr. Obama’s stance of the issues of Gay & Lesbian rights, I felt that I could not vote for him. Now the Gays & Lesbians are attacking the Christian churches all across the world; with frivolous law suits, to make us marry them. Speaking of legalities, you can relax all of the threats about “Recorded IP addresses” and all of the other seemingly interesting “G-14 Classified” ways of tracking someone; all of that hype really isn’t necessary. If people don’t agree with this issue, they have the right to express their disagreement; after all, it is called a “PUBLIC BLOG”, isn’t it? (note: I’ve forwarded a copy of my transmissions here to the legal dept. of my ministry, and our Attorney has assured me that there are no statements made here that contain any form of ambiguity whatsoever.

Now, to Mr. “Trevor says” (@ mistertrevor). I’ve read your comment, and find it at most lacking true understanding of God’s love.
here’s what you wrote: [Just love. Leave the judging to the man upstairs. If you believe a loving God would sentence his own creation to eternal damnation because of sexual orientation, then you are severely naive and have totally missed the reason why Jesus came or why Martin Luther King died. Perhaps many of the bible thumpers should worry about their own orgasms rather than a man whose ministry platform is getting more exposure than theirs.]
You really cannot be serious here; or are you? We are not the ones naive to the knowledge of the Word of God here. People have posted valid scriptures showing that God said it Himself; that no homosexual or lesbian will enter the Kingdom of God (that’s Heaven ya know!) The bible also gives us the right, especially church leaders, to JUDGE the action of SIN, and not the person. On top of all that, you missed the fact that MLK Jr died because people were being persecuted, maligned, lynched & treated unfairly because of the color of their skin; “MAINLY COLORED PEOPLE”. Thus, he formed the NAACP, SCLC and other entities for our rights to be upheld. This isn’t about one man’s ministry getting more platform attention than another’s; this is about the issues & principles of “MORALITY & BIBLICAL TRUTHS!”

@will Hamilton Be Blessed For Your Truthful Emphasis on this issue….My Sincere Greetings To All Others That Stood By The Truth Of What A Genuine Christianity Is All About…. God Still Have People Who Can Still Say The Truth No Matter Whose Ox Is god !!

The Homos Among Us Knows The Truth But Can Never Accept It Cos Their Conscience Has Been Thwarted By The Cancar-worm Called Homo. My Concern Is The Pollution They Are Emitting In The House Of God But Doing It In Their Respective Houses Is Not My Business.

Christ Stopped People From Doing Sales In The House Of God, How Much More Doing Homo In The House Of God.

I Just Wish They Answer You Those Two Questions With Biblical References With All Sincerity

Firs of all @Kelvin Osita Nwankwo and Apostle Hamilton E.J. of Atlanta, My question to you is why are you still surfing this site that was meant as an announcement to our community and obvius not to the straight community, why are you still blogging? You made your point opinion now why not take your sorry asses on to something more important than scripture thrashing. You take up space writing and yet who are you trying to convince or compell becuase its obvious that you’re trying to prove a point. Please go somewhere and find a boytoy to satisfy your curiousity. Im certain you can find a store that sell these products while in the midnight hour while you’re trying to think of something to frighten us, go play with yourself faggot and you just might learn something before the batteries go dead.

I reall would hope you guys move on to something more important to talk about like how to help out in your communities or something other than this name calling and bickering and bible thrashing as well as the nasty progressive comments being made. After all is said and done, people are going continue their life with or without you having to add your opinion concerning one’s choice of lifestyle. Personally, if you bible thrashing people reading and surfing the blogs have such a major problem then leave. Its as simple as that. I personally don’t care what anyone does because thats what make up the circle of life. And if one sin reagrdless what it is offends you then you need a major overhaul in your life because homosexuality is just one stage of sin, what about the lie you told, what about how you addressed someone out of their character, what about your secret habits, your sexual fantasies, your jealousies, misrepresentation while sitting in the church pews, you are no better than the next person whether they happen to be gay or lesbian, you might be straight but you are still no different when God measures your mess. People grow up and get a life for yourself. Discover you, work on you. God has the whole in his hand not you.

Continue
What about your negative thinking, what about covetousness, what about your lingering attitude towards other, what about your drinking habits and illiceit abuse of drugs, what about the physical impact of abusing your body’s and mind with junk and things that prohibit you from moving ahead. people get a life go after something that might actually help you catapult your dreams and move you closer to your destiny. STOP THE MADNESS PEOPLE.

@charles am not surprise u are talking…were u not accused of molesting a boy of 16years… this is issues of homo has eaten into ur bone marrow that u cant even hold ur penis….all the time u guys are looking for anus to put ur penis …shame…a big shame …white monkey

Well, when the truth starts beating the bushes, it seems more snakes will emerge. I would take time to entertain the idiosyncrasies (that’s a physiological or temperamental peculiarity type of tendency, type of behavior, mannerism, etc, of a specific person; an abnormal reaction of an individual to specific things that affect them), but that would be a simple waste of time to further debase myself to a battle royal of personal thoughts. Mr. Charles S., let me make one thing clear here. You’ve just answered my question concerning the creator of this blog; not to mention, you sound like a man who is suffering from female emotional instabilities. Instead of saying “Our Community”, why didn’t you just confess that this was something for the “Gay & Lesbian” community at large? I responded to this induction, because it was made as a “Public Announcement”, and last I checked I’m a vital part of the public community at large. This is an atrocity to the Kingdom of Heaven, and it offends the righteousness of the God I serve; for a league of preachers to openly announce this. If they didn’t want responses, they should’ve just kept it to themselves. What I find most amusing about homosexuals like you, is that you’re not honest about who you are. As much as I’m not in agreement with the lifestyle of Oliver Allen, it is the fact that he, along with this so-called prestigious league of preachers from this famous HBCU are in total darkness, as it pertains to the Holy Bible, and God’s stance of this lifestyle. Personally Charles, you’re absolutely right, I could care less what you, Oliver or any other homosexual, lesbian or transgender do behind closed doors; you’ve made that choice and will see the final outcome of your decisions, once you close your eyes on this side of life.

As with E.J. of Atlanta, I too have had to sit by the bedside of several gays & lesbians dying with AIDS, and hear them confess the errors of their ways; because they knew full well what they were doing was wrong, and they were now at the pinnacle point of transition from life to death. They knew full well, the recompense they were about to face for the decision of accepting this lifestyle, and they wanted to change to make it in past Heaven’s gates. Until you’ve had an experience like this, I’m not going to subject myself to your debasingly negative comments, or your meaningless derogative insinuations. The “go find yourself a boy toy” interjections are nothing more than at best an immature display of the fact that neither you, O.C. Oliver, or any other Gay or Lesbian can justify this lifestyle by the Word of God. The comment made by O.C. Oliver, and I quote: (“I usually do not entertain situations like this espeially to the negativeness of sterotypes and people that are extremed in their pontificousness when it come to singeling gays and lesbians. I am not here to flaunt myself around the city with such ignorance as you may assume because im too intelligent to focus myself on the many negative comments made bu those that surf this site”) further displays carnal arrogance it its best. He can obtain all of the college degrees, read all of the theological books, and still doesn’t realize that these foolish things that man strives to ascertain blinds him to the knowledge of God saying his lifestyle is an “ABOMINATION”. In trying to defend his stance, he used a word “pontificousness”; which sorry to say, there is no such word. If he was trying to derive it from the word “pontific” it means relating to, or consisting of, pontiffs or priests or pertaining to the pope; papal. Vociferous attempts to defend one’s intelligence are lacking in the statement he’s made, so we mark that as a failure.

My stance in this whole issue is the fact that the “Oxymoron” of Gay and Preacher are used in the same sentence; which violates the auspice principles of Holiness in the Word of God. Going around preaching to people that God accepts this lifestyle is an atrocious crime to the gospel that Jesus preached, and the church He gave His life for. If it were just O.C. Oliver the man who is openly Gay being indoctrinated into an Ivy league at Morehouse, then you’re right, it wouldn’t at all be any of my business. When you mix together the grammatical correct words “Preacher+Bishop+Gay”, and they use the persona of being called by God to preach the gospel and intermingle with this lifestyle; then as an Apostle in the Lord’s purest church it darn well does become my business. To Pastor Vernon T. Wright Founder Organizer Fellowship Alternative COGIC Washington, DC and Dr. John Daniels. I’m fully aware of the lifestyle you both live, and the Bishop you came from under who was also a practicing homosexual while wearing the collar and title of Bishop in the Churches of God in Christ Incorporated. I’m also aware Pastor Wright that this church of yours isn’t connected to COGIC Inc. (Bishop C.E. Blake Presiding Prelate), and you made it clear the fact that this is an openly Gay church, by placing the title of “Fellowship Alternative” on your church. Why is it, that when there is no true biblical way of ever defending this lifestyle, do they choose to either accuse others of secret sins, or ask about their lives? Rest assured gentleman, my life is an open book; my past sins cannot condemn me (2 Cor. 5:17), and since I’m dead to trespasses & sins, my present life is hid in Christ (Rom. 6:11, Col. 3:3) with a wife & a plethora of people who can substantiate the life I live, so you cannot win with that weak argument here.

Thank you Apostle Hamilton and @ Dr. John Daniels are you he same John Daniels in DC that used to beat his wife and was under Sherman Howard? If so, that explains the whole thing. Howard and Oliver turned out more boys than a little bit. I have no more to say on the subject.

Homo !!…..oh Homo !!….U have even found ur way to the house of God…..such a dirty life…So disgusting smelly habit….. why is homo so disgusting ….because God never approved it…..Homo is the worst plague that can happen to a person….a lifestyle that left many men unhealthy by using baby’s diapers….this homo is such a wicked act…..only idiots and insane pple love doing homo…… i rebook u homo…..ooh homo what have u turned men into!!!

the bible made us to understand that not everyone who call Him (God) father-father is of God…so am not surprise at ur baseless personal philosophical jargon….lets see how u will all end up in ur own mess

What a stupid idiot you are. Look at what you’re saying stupid, “i rebook u homo” what you’re saying is, “I rebook you for another event inside of me” You faggot. Learn how to write. You misquote misinterpret misunderstand the scriptures and then you try to use the scripture for all the wrong purposes. DINGBAT!

@Apostle Bishop John Daniels…fool…so u don’t even now what am doing …..now i will tell u….since u and ur homos have decided to ridicule God in a holy place such as church… i have decided to ridicule u too by say what will irritate u…idiots

@Apostle Bishop John Daniels ….am sooo glad that the way i ridicule your so called homo irritates you ….now think of how God will feel for the homosexual practices u do in the church…in his presence…. if i have to slap u and ur dirty Bishops every morning to turn away from homo… i will do it ….Holy Devils !!!

@E.J. allow me to address you in a more dignified manner because i know you are not capable of haing a conversation or that you’re not intelligent enough to conversate with anyone that might happen to be more intelligent than you. With that being said, I noticed on several sites I have read your poison, your venom that cancerous conversations and messages you have displayed all across this site and i have come to a conclusion that nothing you have said absolutely makes no sense. First of all brother you do not know me and you don’t have a clue about anyone from Washington, DC or at New Bethel COGIC or their lifestyle. If you were as intelligent or even Godly intelligent you wouldn’t be so misinformed. I am not mad at you at all brother because people like you are a dime a dozen. You have no real credibility, you no idea of anything other than your admitting to the fact that in your conversation concerning having to stand at the bed side of those dying from AIDS, maybe whoever bed side you’re standing over perhaps in reality are your lovers. I say this with complete adoration and compassion because your trying so hard to defend your position gives way to your actually trying so very hard to prove to yourself that you’re not gay. Well, if you are, its ok! nobody’s mad at you. But when you come after me and my former pastor and the other brethren you have no knowledge about, then look out for the attacks because if i ever, ever come to find out who you are in reality, you would wish you kept your filthy mouth closed. I got you brother or other, i got you and look forward to the day where i actually can put you under my feet. Now, to that stupid idiot Nwankwo, you cannot even begin to have a conversation with anyone with your no talking self. Brothet the word is, Rebuke, not rebook. I guess you mean to rebook the dude or dudes that often run a train up your dirty filthy funky stinky ASS on a daily basis. My real message to you faggot is that you go somewhere and learn who you are because you might really actually enjoy being the faggot that you are!

I really am shocked that in one conversation you quote scripture as if you’re pure from sin, but then you want to get personal E. J. about bringing up something you do no have facts about. First of all, before you start slinging dirt make ceratin you’re clean. Im sure you have issues waiting to be birthed in the open. Im certain when at the end of the day when you shut your door you have to deal with your issues. Last, before you try to expose something you have no facts about look at yourself because you’re far from being righteous, you’re far from even having the privilege to entertain Christ presence with the dirty laundry at your feet. You are full of nonsence and anything that actually comes out of your mouth must be taken as a joke. You’re jst like that ass bucket Kelvin and hamilton, you’re hiding in darkness because if and when the light come on, the world will actually see just who and what you really are. FAKE!

See what religion does to people. That’s why the Almigthy has nothing to do with churches at all. You would be safer in a pool hall than among this Christians on this blog. I’m glad this is happening on line and not in person. Someone will surely fight and cut and possibly shoot someone.

The man who posts as Kelvin Osita Nwankwo is from Nigeria where lawmakers signed an anti-gay law and the stoning of gays is acceptable. Which is a greater sin… murder or homosexuality. I get fed up with hypocrites like him. Pay him no attention. He can quote Scripture but has no love for his fellowman.

@Apostle Bishop John Daniels….ur actions are dirty and if i happen to see you or your fellow homos in a real life …i will give u a dirty slap just for being a homo….after the slap i will then decide if u need deliverance or just preaching …u are a blind man leading blind people

@Messy Mae… why should i love my fellow man……that’s is what led all of u crazy brats into homo…. mog bloods !!

@ Kelvin Osita Nwankwo. The greatest commandment is to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself. While you are reading your Bible and posting Scriptures, don’t forget that one. Get the hell out of here with all that hatred. You commit a greater sin than that you accuse others of.

don’t dirty me pls cos u have a contaminated body of a homo …the bible said we should disassociate our selves from the evil ones… u are evil for doing homo in the house of God… so i can not love u instead i will keep rebooking u

And don’t you accuse me of something I am not doing. You don’t know me. But I see you come in here with condemnation on your mind.It doesn’t work like that. Look in the mirror and get yourself right…FIRST.

@Apostle Bishop John Daniels ……ur titles are useless because u are misusing it….who gave u all that…an apostle…a bishop…plus john and daniel …this is crazy men…only u carrying all these name about….no wonder u are malfunctioning !!!

@Kelvin Osita Nwankwo until you know how to have a conversation, I will just address you as an idiot! You’re too stupid for me to address you. Most animals are too stupid unil realized this morning that my dog is more intelligent than you. Why not you anf my dog have a sexual go at it! you retard, you faggot, you monkey, you homosexual posing as a bible thumping maggot! Go home to the jungle faggot!

@Apostle Bishop John Daniels ….hahahahahahah… truth they said is bitter ….u just mentioned ur dog and sex… u have just described what u do with ur dog in a close door…..i said it….all of u homos are insane… i was reading a news last few months and saw ur kind asking for bestiality right ….now u are even unfolding a lot of ur dirty lives …so this is what u do with ur dog…. holy Moses !!….u are not just homo?….u even added bestiality on urs to crown it …. oouush !!!

@Kelvin Osita Nwankwo, Listen brother, enough with your misuse of the Holy Bible and your nonsence and arrogance. If you really knew the Lord like you assume you know the scripture, then you wouldn’t be addressing anyone in a conversationon. I am really disappointed with you because in one conversation you make people think you’re truly a believer in Christ but your conversation, the very poison that comes from your mouth onto this blog site does not represent the Body of Christ. Now, im not gay nor do i promote the idea. Im not going to spend precious time trying to open someone to change their ways, only God can and not you Kelvin. I really have no idea whether or not you have any once of salvation but listening to the very stuff that comes from your lips onto the site is simply hidious and lifethreatening to any believer. The retaliation of words between you and others simply must discontinue. There is nothing impressive about you or the conversation of poisonous venom you’re spreading. Brother you need to check your salvation as well as your position with Christ.

@Doris Knighton … don’t worry ur self OK …we all tried to prove them wrong using the scripture but they turned the scripture down so they do not need any single respect from any body created by the very God they are abusing ….so pls see it from this very perspective

@Kelvin, the Holy Bible said, with loving kindness have I drawn thee. We cannot abuse the scriptures and use them as a weapon of our own carnalities. God is loving regardless what your short comings are. Sin is sin brother and this attacking these people who lifestyles are different from our beliefs, we still must love them and not their lifestyle. Im praying God will deliver and bring every man and women out of this lifestyle just as im praying for those that drink smoke using drugs thieves, rapist etc sin is sin and God is the olny one that can save not you or I.

@Kelvin, and E.J. I would encourage you guys to write to the Bishop in Washington, DC of the COGIC and share to him how one of his members Apostle John Daniels has abused his position and the language he uses representing the church. The adress is Bishop Neavelle Coles @ 6440 Piney Branch Road NW Washington, DC 20011 telephone 202-829-1523 I would share what language his representative has used on this site.

This is the Right Reverend Bishop Evangelist Overseer Prophet Apostle Pope Elder His Holiness Rector and Pastor David speaking to you from the outside looking in. Religion separates us as you can see on this blog.

Imagine no religion, would you have these name calling and degrading debates ? I think not. Some of the people responses reflect the true deep corners of our evil selves . Hatred and misunderstanding someone different than us does not require a mandate from the Bible, it is embedded in our souls. We hate because we want to hate and not because the Bible tells us so to hate the sin.

If you hate the sin, then it is impossible not to hate the sinner. That’s where the personal attacks come in. Society as a whole hates crime. But they hate the criminal more than the crime. They prove this everyday by executions and death penalties throughout this land.

As long as people continue to see gay sex as a sin they will forever hate gays. God does not care with whom you sleep with it is only the Bible that cares. It is not an authoritarian guide for humanity . Christians use this to try to pattern their live by. None are sucessful in doing so. If it ain’t one thing, it’s another and I bet you that.

If a police officer wants to stop a car without a reason he only has to do one thing. Get behind the car and eventually he will make a mistake or fail to use a turn signal or whatever. Just keep following him and you will have reason to stop him I learned. This is true with all people that claim to be holier than thou. I got a lot of p—–y from inocent church women. If you saw them in church you would think that God Almighty had touched them. They were the biggest freaks and some scared me.

What people do is their own business. How can you judge anyone when in the evil corners of your mind your shortcomings manifest in some form or fashion when you do your dirt. Yet when you get caught doing your dirt the first thing you say is that I’m not perfect.

The so called Bible was written to govern your life by. It was not designed for you to govern anyones’ life. If you believe it I love it. Just don’t try to govern anyone else life by this garbage.

@David, i respect your perspectives but it all makes no sense especially on this same site expressing that you do not believe God. Here you are starting out by pontificating your titles. Get saved, get the Holy Ghost, get delivered today! Be baptized in Jesus name!

If you knew me my good freind you would know I was just exaggerating the phony titles such as yours that the church has bestowed upon you and all others that claim a special mission from God.. I believe in one God and no more my friend Your Christian polytheist believe is your own business .

I don’t believe in a holy ghost and never would I equate such a fairly tale to be equal with God. One God and no more.

I challenged all theologians to a $1000.00 reward if they could prove that Jesus existed. None could prove it. This invitation is extended to you as well. Christianity is the greatest fraud perpetrated on humanity.The pseudo character Jesus that you say be baptised in his name is ficticious and if you went to a Seminary you would know the truth as well.

I don’t blame you my good friend because I was in your same boat until I started to read. If you except this Gospel because ‘mama dem ” had it have mercy on you. If you are a Catholic Bishop or a Protestant I could not tell by your title to be honest. I assume that you are Protestant that carried over that Pagan traditions to Christianity.

How many titles do you have ? Are you the same above person that claims that he is also an apostle ? You were the target of my long tiltes and exaggerated positions if you are the same person.

You can fool most of the people in your congregation with all of your religious terrorism, but it will not work for me. I know the Almighty did not call you because you can not communicate with Infinty.

Missy you will be alright. I feel your pain. Just read a litttle more and stop trusting man and trust God. He gave you common sense please just use it. The Bible is a human artifact and has NO imput from the Almighty . God gave us reason, not religion.

The Bible says this, “I will give you PASTORS after MINE own heart”. So how can you be a true pastor to GODS people and be in a homosexual relationship? God’s heart is not into homosexuality for HE IS a Holy God and His MEN representing HIM are ALSO to be HOLY representatives. Lord please OPEN the eyes of people everywhere!!!!!!!!

Mr. John Daniels, first of all Sir, please make up your mind which title you’re going to lie about possessing! In one post, you call yourself “Apostle Bishop”, and in another it’s just plain old Bishop, and I’m sorry to inform you, but there is no such animal as Apostle Bishop. You’re either an Apostle, or a Bishop. Let me save you the trouble of further embossing your character in a more deeper lie. I’ve called Bishop Joel Harley Lyles, the General Secretary of the Churches of God in Christ, and there not only is no record of you ever being consecrated as a Bishop, they have no record of you ever being ordained (thank God for small favors!). I’ve also called the D.C. Ministerial Alliance, and even called Bishop J. Delano Ellis; Presiding Bishop of the Joint College of African American Bishops, “AND GUESS WHAT?” No record of you there either! You don’t have to get angry with anyone here, by spewing threats of physical violence, because truthfully I don’t believe you could beat your way out of a wet paper bag with a thick rubberband! Dude, “GET A GRIP!” You proclaim to be a member of the Clergy, and you’re using all of this foul language on social media? No one should be scared of the wolf tickets you’re selling here. Sadly, the real problem here is that you, Mr. Vernon Wright and the majority of all other homosexuals here aren’t comfortable with who you are, and your only defense is to use violent retaliatory words to intimidate others in an offensive manner. You’re a practicing homosexual; yet you use derogatory innuendos like “FAGGOT”; which in itself makes you look very unintelligent and completely silly. I don’t agree with the others here who are using the words “punk, homo, faggot” or any other demeaning term, but in reality how sensible does it appear for you to use the same belittling personal slurs against others?

I am an African-American male, and if someone chooses to call me a nigger, spook, tar-baby or a jigga-boo, my reaction would never be as violent as yours sounded. I know a great deal about your former Pastor (Bishop Sherman Howard) and the lifestyle he lived. I spent over 17 years in this organization, and I know important faces in high places. As far as the things I’ve heard about him turning out boys in the church, or you beating up on your wife/ex-wife; I have no proof of this, I didn’t witness anything so I won’t speak on it. I don’t have a “Gay Mouth” as you so eloquently put it, and I’m on my way to Baltimore to speak with Bishop Lyles and Bishop Neavelle Coles concerning you. I can tweet you here on the date I’ll arrive at New Bethel COGIC, and meet you face to face so that we might further vocally dialogue, but I wouldn’t think of trying anything physical against me if I were you. It might be a move that you’ll regret (no threat here, just giving you a precautionary word!). I’ll more than likely be on a conference call with Bishop Coles this Sunday before I go in the preach the morning message, and we will talk in great depth about this matter. As for me being here on this site, I’m not surfing anything. If is a public blog site, and as previously stated, I’m an important part of the public. Now, to those reading this post; let me ask you this. “Did you see any portion of this post that contained threats of violence, words of hatred that sought to belittle or demean this man, or any ungodly statements?” Of course not! This is because I am an Apostle in the Lord’s church, and I can communicate my disagreement with Mr. Daniels; without using all of the ugly carnal rhetoric like he chooses to do. Stop hiding behind the cloak of spiritual liberty and using it maliciously. People are not in agreement with this induction issue just like you and every other homosexual & lesbian aren’t in agreement with their thoughts and opinions. “OH WELL!” That’s the American way of life!

@ Mr. John Daniels: One more thing Sir. What is it with the homosexual community trying to sound so intelligent, by using big words that have no relevance to the statements they attempt to vociferate? If I hear one more of you use the word “pontificous/pontificate ” in a sentence (Pontificate:To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way.) that has no grammatical bearing on the statement you’re making? It absolutely exacerbates the “HELLOJESUS” out of me to see people butcher the English of King James!

@Apostle Hamilton. his is not in defense of Pastor Daniels but you are so stupid and ignorant and i assume your hidden homosexual lifestyle has gotten the best of you. Go somewhere faggot and sit your tired ass down somewhere, perhaps on top of some guy!

Sir (or Mam, I don’t know who you truly are), you are in fact defending Mr. Daniels, and your aggressively facetious comments about my “hidden lifestyle”(both right & wrong!) are nothing more than an immature measure to garner a negative reaction from me. You claim you’re not defending this man, then why attack me? The answer is simple: homosexual men will defend their own kind! I didn’t have to get a revelation from God, obtain a Harvard degree or be spiritually deep to figure that one out; you actually told on yourself! When you come right out the gate stating you’re not defending him, and in the next papragraph you’re using negative homosexual connotations like faggot against me, it’s because something in my statement to Mr. Daniels has struck a chord in nervous system of your sexual orientaton. You’re right Sir (see, I don’t even know you; yet I respet you enought to call you Sir!), my llife is hidden in Chist Jesus,blood washed, blood purchased, Sanctified & sold out to the cause of Christ, not the gratification of an unatural carnal desires like homosexuality. The silly innuendo of {“Go somewhere faggot and sit your tired ass down somewhere, perhaps on top of some guy!”} further demonstrates a child like tantrum you’re throwing to make others believe you’ve obtained some form of prowess over me; when in reality it’s nothing more than an open demonstration of the femenine attribute of a woman clawing at another woman’s face during a “Cat Fight!” (meow!) I can defend the character of anyone; Gay, Lesbian or Heterosexual; without the nasty rhetoric or filthy language like most homosexuals will use. I’m a proud heterosexual Africa-American member of the Clergy, that has been embroiled in a dispute of differences with a not too proud to be Gay individual; who prefers to engage in the use of sexually debasing words, in a false attempt to falsely disguise his own lifestyle. At least I can be open & confess I’m a proudly married, proud heterosexual man; who odesn’t have anything to hide. Sadly, you cannot ascertain this fact for yourselves; for an angry & most aggressive disposition explains it all!

My question is simple, Why would so called men of God engage in this fruitless discourse. At the end of the day anything you say will not make a difference in the board’s selection.

It is embarassing to see Black people sit under this type of leadership that is no more than educated thugs and religious bullies

You prove everyday the Almighty does not need preachers to spread this filth that you spreading. One of the most ignorant responses I have ever heard comes from the self appointed Apostle Hamilton that said that homosexual will defend their own. This is not true. It is everyone one’s responsibilty to respect the human personality , regardless of how you feel about their lifestyle.

Christians feel it is their moral duty to impose their phony religion on others. Why are any of concerned about an openly gay preacher when a large percentage of them are on the DL ?

My friend said a preacher hit on him that was on the DL. He told the preacher that he did not know he was gay. The preacher told him I do more good than bad. And he said the preacher was married with children.

He continued to preach. what is the difference in an openly gay preacher ? He is honest and the other not so honest.

Gay preachers have been woven in the fabric of the Christian church for ages and they will continue as long as this phony church exist.

“Here’s an interesting question Sir, WHAT DRAMA?” Do you refer to my response to the statements made to me by these individuals? Funny thing, I don’t see you writing this to these gentlemen who respond to me in an outlandishly & debasingly negative manner. They spew out curse words here; which is an open “OVERDRAMATIZED” display of emotional content they have no control over. Well, let me correct that; they do have control, but they choose not to exercise verbal restraint. My, my my Mr. McNeil; it seems you’ve chosen to conjure yourself an audience, by singling me out. I will not assume why, nor do I really care; just something to ponder on.

As for Mr “DAVID”, Sir you ammuse me with your analogies of who I am, but I will take this in stride; for you have displayed more arrogance in your statement of calling me “Self-Appointed”, than you claim I did in my statement about homosexuals defending their own. Actually Sir (notice the respect I keep giving others, in my addressing them), this isn’t “fruitless discourse”, as you so eloquently stated, but it was meant to be a verbal discussion concerning a public matter that was made public. It took the negative course by those who are opposed to this lifestyle, as well as those who are participants of it. This lifestyle hasn’t been woven into the “Christian Church”, because if it was acceptable in Christian teaching, there would be no real arguement here. Same-sex lifestyle has been indoctrinated into the “church arena”; which is totally different from the Christian Church. I welcome the lesbian, homosexual, transgender, cross-dresser into any of the churches I oversee (6), and I allow the preached Word of God & the power of the Holy Ghost to bring them into the light of the truth. Here’s the reality of this! Many have been changed by the powerful teaching & preaching of the Word of God in my ministry; which goes to prove if I had listened to people like you with your concepts of God’s view on this & left them alone, they would still be there. So, something I’m saying concerning the truth of this must be right! It would be a further waste of time to engage in this matter with you, seeing as how you you don’t believe in Jesus or the Holy Ghost, or even the Word of God. If you believed in the One True God, then you cannot refute what his Word says in John 1:1. I’m done here Sir, and you can save yourself the trouble of a response, because it’s really not worth my time, nor the time of readers who can mutually agree to disagree; without being condescending.

@ Paul O: “Yes Sir, Mr. David was talling about Apostle Hamilton!” And I’m not sure why you’re inquiring, but if it’s to engage in a social media battle-royal, don’t waste your time.

BY THE WAY: In all seriousness, with great sincerity; “I LOVE YOU ALL WITH THE INSURMOUNTABLE AGAPE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST & THERE’S NOT A THING YOU CAN SAY OR DO TO CHANGE THAT!”

@Apostle Hamilton, You say you love us with all that drama, well, do that statement include your lover sexual partner outside your so called wife? I know that you’re gay because of the choice words you have used that the gay community often use. Stop the madness bro and get with the party. David is right about uou, you’re arrogant and are in denial of your sexuality. Go ahead, come out now, do yourself a real favor and come out, its okay Hamp, just come clean and you will be comfortable living this lifestyle.

@ the self appointed Apostle You and I know that you have not been called by God. God does not communicate with men as your eloquent education has taught you . You can not communicate with Infinity my good friend.

If you are a so called man of God you should not engage in any of the blogs trying to prove anything to anybody You don’t see any other phony preachers on here do you ?

I will donate to you or your phony church if you can provide credible evidence the Jesus existed. $1000.00 to help pay for your Caddy or Mercedes whichever you have. The Bible is a human artifact and has very little credible information. Just remember that in trying to prove the existence of Jesus you can not substitute science for science-fiction my good friend.

All religions are phony and to you as well my friend. No one in the history of mankind has been endowed by the Creator to teach anyone about God. He is not revealed in the scriptures, only through his creation. You can fool some the billions of Christians with your religious terrorism , but it will not work with me.

God made all men and the only requirementis is that we treat everyone with dignity and respect.
The homosexual should leave the Christian Church because it condemns them instead of liberating them. They were made that way and didn’t I hear the Christians say that God does not make mistakes ?

Limit your comments to the pulpit where people expect to here this kind of trash talk condemning God’s creatures.

@David, listen, Apostle Hamilton is the pastor and overseer of Atlants’s Swinging Richards, Balkes, Bull dogs, Heretic, Burckharts, Atalnta’s Eagle, Woofs, Jungle, B.J.Roosters, Lebuzz and the Amsterdam. He knows just what in saying. Yes, He’s an Apostle and his churches are all Atlanta based.

This is nothing more than a mere attempt to run me away, simply because I speak truth; however, know that you’re attempts to trash my character with meaningless & baseless facts won’t work.

@ Jason B: Sir, you can stay on the defensive of your homosexual lifestyle with the mythical grammatical assertions of me living as an undercover gay male, but there is no merit to this.You know this as well as I do, but if this is the only way that you can, in such a child-like manner garner the support of others, continue doing you. I do have a “Male Lover” in my life, and His name is JESUS CHRIST: “The Lover Of My Soul!” So, continue to speak as you please. If I actually were “GAY”, I wouldn’t have a problem admitting it, and I would be openly celebrating you, OC Oliver and the rest of the LGT community. What I wouldn’t be doing is allowing folks to drag me to a place, where I have to besmirch my own character and marr my integrity as a homosexual, just because someone didn’t believe in the way I lived. Sir, you can fire away with the barrage of false accusations againt me, my ministry & my marriage, but I’m far too serious about what I do to indulge in defensive words. I don’t have to defend a lie, and sadly your homosexual emotions/feelings have been hurt because of my stance against a lifestyle God deems as an abomination. Go to Wal-Mart, find the infant section, and get yourself a pacifier to put in your mouth, to pacify your hurt feelings about the truth. Take your friend “JAZZY JJ” with you; in the meanwhile I’ll still be praying for you both.There is still room at the Cross for you both, and there’s hope that you both might be changed. I will not stop praying for neither one of you. I say this with the utmost sincerity, while you continue to attack me with the utmost bitterness. You want to silence me, but the only way you know is to attack me, and this is simply not going to advantage you in any way. I speak against the life that God deems as sin, you speak against a man because he speaks against a way of living. If you choose to attack the Christian lifestyle, I would not ever go to the extent of attacking you as an individual; the way you and other homosexuals here have done me. The logic appears to be absolutely ridiculous; attack the person and their character in defense of your lifestyle. Well, the saga continues…………….

@Apostle Hamilton, where is your churches located? or are you just on paper holding services in the gay bars. Are you truly an Apostle? Are you a gay Apostle? Are you just curious in wanting to experiement just a little so that you may have a real message to preach on Sunday. Send me a picture of you and maybe we can get together and i would help you come directly out of the closet.

Dude, apparently you are curious about something. Why are you still commenting? Most of the people blogging are gay, so why are you Apostle Hamilton still mouthing? Are you hungry for something appetizing? or thirsty for the juice? whatever, come clean and be who you really are, A girl!

@Elder Herman McGriff …first of all i will tell u the meaning of ur name before i will tell u what i have for you …HERMAN means, the hilarious groundbreaking cartoon feature that appears in hundreds of newspapers worldwide, continues despite the sad passing of creator Jim…. Google it…. u are one of the bastards produced by of all these single mothers sleeping in the gutter…GOoouush !!!

My good friend self appointed Apostle in your response you did not address the fact the I know that you were not called by God Almighty Himself.

Long before the issue of homosexuality was a moral issue, it was a scienitic issue that science has tried to figure out. Gays have been here since the beginning of mankind and was not thought up by a so called pervert that you may think started same sex relationships. Some people have never had an attraction for the opposite sex. You can not change reality. The Bible can not change reality with all of it’s homophobic issues. The Bible never condemns lesbianism and if you want to know the truth, this may have been an excepted practice because men had so many wives to service. Hell it’s hard enough for one woman imagine 4 or 5 wives.

You are beating a dead horse my friend because you seemed to be confused in your mission in life. You are spreading hate and dispair throughout your church. It is impossible to hate the sin and not hate the sinner. You hate the sinner my friend and it’s apparent in your response.

I only regret that men such as you are charged with the duty to counsel individuals and give advise at times. You are caught up in what Dr. King says is the “paralysis of analysis .” You can not see humanity for claiming your postion in divinity.

Their is no correlation of man evolved intellect and his persuasive irrationality. You seem to be an educated fool. Don’t feel bad however, most preachers are. They go to seminaries across the country to study various forms of theology and yet they are studing nothing. In order to study God you must study science. You must study reality and not some science fiction tale in the Bible.

Chill out my brothe, you are making yourself look real bad. Relax and take a deep breath . Gays will be here forever and we must respect them forever. What they do is their own business. Why are you so defensive brother ? Are you afraid they my influence you ?

I love pussy too much my good friend. I am a lesbian in a man’s body. I know that you are self proclaimed as well and that the Almighty did not call you because if you accept Christ as a son of God, you are intellectually deficient to be able to distinquish between science from science fiction.

@cameron….woooow !!…who do we have here….the newest homosexual wedded couple….congratulation bro …is a pity i could not attend ur wedding because of the disgusting nature of ur practice (homophobic)….again i thought of stopping over to ur house to give u wedding gift but am scared u mighty rape me at gun point…i never believe u married that old man…. well do not talk to me hence forth… u have joined a cancerous gang

When I see people of the Gay community use derrogative slurs like “faggot” towards me, it is as desparaging as listening to black people call each other “Niggers/Niggas”. It further demonstrates a child like tantrum one is throwing to make others believe he’s obtained some form of informative prowess over others; when in reality it’s nothing more than an open demonstration of inconsistent facts concerning me that merit no real attention. There is an obvious lack of security from within one’s self, as being one who can express an opinion and get their point across; without being on the verge of having a hissy fit, a conniption or an ananeurysm. These antics and emotional display of a fit of rage and hysteria are an embarassment to the lifestyle you represent. The comment of being a lesbian trapped in a man’s body epitomizes that “IGNORANCE IS BLISS” and I won’t spend my time addressing an individual that doesn’t even belive that Jesus existed. With the plethora of big words he uses, he’s the one who’s nothing more than an over-educacted athiestic individual that spends a lot of time reading books. You are the one beating a dead horse my friend because you seemed to be confused in your mission in life, with a senseless pursuit of myself, and others who disagree with you. You are spreading hate and dispair throughout your posts to others, and you might want to take your own advice & chill out. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if you portray yourself to be a heterosexual, but live the contrary. The silly insinuations of me being a Gay Apostle are at best comical, but it proves my point. You cannot attack my theory or concept of what I speak about, so you resort to degrading measures like attacking my character & the ministry I oversee. I haven’t attacked one person’s character here in a demeaning manner, nor will I ever. You want me to stop responding, but you cannot seem to stop reacting to what I have to say in an ugly manner at what I say. Go for what you know.
@ Cameron: I’ve done my best to express my views with the utmost intelligence; while on the other hand; others have resorted to spewing out comments that manifest the contrary. I’m not like some of the other Christians who profess Christ, but in same sentence use ugly slurs to address your sexual preference, but none of that has been taken into consideration. If you had a referrendum that supported the homosexual lifestyle, and you were openly Gay, I’m sure you would support that. The bible is my referrendum that I support; which speaks from a different view than that of the homosexual, as it pertains to this lifestyle. We can agree to disagree; without being in personal ugly disagreement; well at least that is what I thought could happen!

@Apostle Hamilton. David said it best when he said you were self appointed. Apparently you have nothing on your calendar to fulfill your spritual quest as an Apostle of Jesus Christ. No appointment or preaching engagements, no assignment, no installations of churches as most Apostles do. You’re too busy being attractive, driven, influence by your sexual desire and curiosity to this site its become a fantasy. When do you ever have time to entertain your wife or is your wife your male influence or are you playing the role of the woman? whatever, i will give you the courtesy of saying your wife. I know that you have some questions what its like being gay. If you do its okay Reverend Dr. Apostle, you’re not the first. Come clean, come out and be for real. thats the only real reason you’re glued to this site. By the way, where are you located, i would like to visit your church. Don’t worry i won’t introduce myself as to be an embarrassment, i just want to hear you call down judgment on us gays, who knows, i might evn get saved. Be sweet fresh meat!

Guys we only have one problem. The Bible calls it sin in both the new and old Testaments. Are we going to rewrite scripture to suit our own needs? Are we simply going to pick out the parts of scripture we like and threw the rest of it out? The last few verses of the Bible give a very frightening warning to anyone who purposely changes even one little punctuation mark. Be careful guys. Our God is very forgiving about sin. He has great and unending mercy when it comes to sin, even the sin of homosexuality. But he has zero mercy on anyone who purposely changes His Word to suit their own needs, desires and plans. He also said it would be better for you to tie a large mill stone around your neck and drowned than to offend one little child. Guys before you start hugging and kissing each other in front of the kids in your church please know how this will cause them to do the same. This is a dark, slippery path you have begun that has many unintended consequences.

@Clarence Holloway of Atlanta, GA
Sir, you not only epitomize the point of the bane of negative and cruel expressions, you also have no real way of defending what you say, and just like the others you spew hatred. This isn’t a “Gay Website”; it’s a website that was created by a man who lives a Gay lifestyle (I do promise you Mr. McCray, I don’t mean that in an offensive manner!); and this website happens to be frequented by Gays & Lesbians. Mr McCray has other issues outside of this that he opens for discusson here, and I find them to be quite informative. Like the other homosexual men here, your agner is directed at my character due to the fact that you have no real arguement to refute my stance substantiated by the Holy Bible and God’s mandate concerning this lifestyle. What you and all the others who attack me keep missing is this one valuable point. I’ve already made it perfectly clear that I could care less about the choices you’ve made to have a same-sex reationship, giving no though-care or concern as to what God says about it. My whole real issue is what Michael K. Mullen stated, and what you’ve all been seeming to purposely overlook. God doesn’t call, commission or utilize anyone living a lifestyle He deems and mandates to be called sin, and for a clergyman to take the infallible Word of God, twist and contort the truth of what God says, in a fruitless & useless effort to justify your desires for the same sex. However, like I continue to pray for the others, I wil pray for you as well. God calls this sin, and He clearly says it in His Word; “I don’t see you writing a post to God and inviting Him to come try this lifestyle, or making falsely driven negative connotations about Him being Gay?” If you, or any other Gays or Lesbians who frequent this site have any neices or nephews who were under the age of 12, and pedophiles were out there raping them; stealing their innocence and their chilhood, you be angry against the lifestyle they’ve chose. If the drug dealers were out there selling crack cocaine to your undr aged young family members, you’d be agnry and hateful towards them , and they would demean, belitle you and spew hared towards you; much like you and every other homosexual is attacking me. And just like you, they would be angry towards you, for attacking their way of living; so what you’re doing in essence is nothing more than “HYPOCRISY” and setting a double standard. My credentials are not in question here; although they are legitimate. The number of churches I have established are not the focal point; although they do exist. I will not be drawn into a verbal altercation of hatred, and violent communication; simply because you now feel your sexual orientational emotions have been offended. In closing, what I say is this. O.C. Allen decided to open a Gay Affirmed church, and since he decided to divert from the true purpose of Christ’s Kingdom mission while here on earth (establishing the True church), Mr Allen should get his own bible written for the LGTB community; which contains written mandates that he can teach where it says it’s permisive to live this way. Those who desire to promulgate this in teachings should call yourselves “Instructors & Teachers” instead of preachers or any other clergy title. God is not forcing you to accept His Son Jesus Christ, or what He says is true concerninng your way of living, and neither will I. In the same retrospect, all we ask, as True Blood washed Born Again believers; is that you not try to force the Kingdom embodiment, or the Christian community at large, to accept what you do in our churches, when the bible we live by says it’s wrong! I love you all with the love of Jesus Christ and the compassion of the Holy Ghost, and I will continue to vociferate this statement in every response addressed towards me; good or bad, kind or evil.

@Apostle Hamilton. I understand your point until you mention this site is frequent by gays and lesbians. My question to you Apostle is why you constantly have to make a point after a comment? 2nd, I notice several people have asked for your information or church information and you failed to give any. I am beginning to wonder if you are self appointed, self anointed or just plain self engulfed with nonsense. Look, i really don’t care if you’re gay or not, whatever, just stop the drama. We don’t know if William is gay or not, if he is that’s his business but i believe if the spotlight ever shine on you, we all will discover you. Im sure if you would put more time in with your wife like you stay glued to this site, she would be happy also.

Let me be clear! You nor does anyone else know what type of lifestyle I lead. Do not ever make that assumption again or be blocked. How dare you say such a thing because I wrote about an honor one man received form the institution I graduated from.
It may be time for you to leave my platform and not return. You will not insult me on stage that I built.

Know that I can never be hurt by anyone’s hate, or wounded by viscious words. All I will do is continue to speak the truth of God in love, and if having insults hurled, lies promugated and false innuendos concerning my sexuality spoken against me is what I have to endure; this is the price I’m willing to pay. As they stoned Stephen to death, I will echo his entiments to God concerning you: “God please, do not lay any of this to their charge”. A sthey chose to innocently crucify Jesus on Calvary, and they openly mocked the One who was dying for their sins; I repeat His powerful words: “FATHER FORGIVE THEM; FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO!”

Apostle Hamilton, i guess Sir William got you straight. You cannot go around insulting people with your bible. The bible isn’t a tool to use to beat down anyone. What you should be doing is encouraging people to want to come out of this lifestyle. i have watched you attack others on this blog with scripture and its quite evident that you have no personal soul winning experience especially as a pastor or apostle if that is what you really are. I haven’t even heard you express the name of your congregation or organization. Apostle, i would love to see you use a different strategy instead of attacking someone’s sexual preference. I am sure at the end of the day after you have attacked this person and that person on this blog, you roll over to your male lover. Now, stay off this blog GIRL!

As I prepare to take my leave from this issue, let me openly state to those who thought it so convenient to attack my character. I hold no ill-wil or animosity towards you. Many of you have made claims that I “ATTACKED” you with scriptures, and after carefully going through every single post I’ve written here, this is the only scripture I’ve written in a statement I made.

Many of you have made altiloquent statements as to my own sexuality, because you already know that your ebullient attempts to distorts facts about me have become futile. Not one time in any of my comments have my words been deleterious towards anyone who is in the LGBT lifestyle, but many of you have done just the opposite concerning me. In a vain effort to censure me as an individual who freely spoke out against something that God Himself calls sin, some here chose the option of becoming a demagogue for the LGBT community, by leading a meaningless charge to attack and besmirch me, attempting to question the validity of who I am in ministry simply because I refuse to provide you with information you’ve requested; with no concrete precise evidence of what you say. So, you resort to speak at me with great disdain. I only know that I don’t have to chase down a lie, or prove anything to anyone. My voice only spoke of the contradiction to the Word of God, as it pertains to one being called of God to preach, and living in any lifestyle that God deems sin, and not homosexuality alone. I have read so many condescending and debasingly conjectures concerning me, and sadly I can only understand that there is no foundation truth of scripture to substantiate that God approves of this lifestyle, and I become intransigent in my position of Christian church leadership (can you please note that this is where I’ve taken the stand) who promulgate such an awefully enervating message concerning God’s position towards homosexuality. I am not as niave as to release information concerning any of my churches, because just as there are dangerously ignorant people outside of the LGBT community who would resort to angry acts of retaliation for your individual sexual preference (hate-crimes), there are also people within the LGBT community; who would resort to the same kinds of measures against those who have chosen to preach biblical truth concerning same-sex relationships.

Mr McCray, let me openly state to you Sir, that I find it very unique that you’ve allowed others to make assumptions, inuendos; speak wild conjectures and voice false rumors concerning my lifestyle, and not one single time did I ever see you write a response to inform them that it wasn’t right to make assumptions concerning me. I have not read one response where they have attacked others with these same kinds of ridiculous claims; where you’ve responded with threats to remove them from this sight. In cupidity and exasperation; they have repeatidly said things towards myself, and those who did not agree with them, with impetuously mean, derrogatory and debasing things to say. They have resorted to inimical comments that are the bane of hatred’s ugly existence, and predacious words that they’ve obviously felt would give them an advantage in conversation. As you’ve stated that I know nothing concerning your way of living; so too do they lack any correct information concerning mine, yet not once have you ever addressed this. This sir, is an illustration of hypocrisy, and a doulble standard in the fairness of freedom of speech in social media. It also appears that once again, you have improperly read something I’ve written, and you’ve rush to a false conclusion concerning a statement I made that pertains to you. I never made any claims to have full disclosed knowledge as it pertans to what type of lifestyle you lead. What I clearly stated to Clarence Holloway was this: [ This isn’t a “Gay Website”; it’s a website that was created by a man who lives a Gay lifestyle (I do promise you Mr. McCray, I don’t mean that in an offensive manner!)] and as I also stated, I meant no offense. I made no assumptions sir; only inquiries withing the LGBT community, as well as the church. This is what I was informed, and if the information provided to me by a majority that exclaim to know you is incorrect, then please accept my humblest apologies. I did not insult you in any remarks I made concering you; unless you can go back and show me in any of my transmissions where I used derrogative connotation that would depict hatred towards this lifetyle.

I pray that you will understand my position in the matter concerning the induction which transpired at Morehouse, and allow us as individuals to continue to agree to disagree; which should be the strength of platform discussions. I have loved your other informative issue that you bring about; especially those in the COGIC, where I was a member for over 17 years. However, given the most sensative nature of same-sex relationships/marriage in the church and my firm stance as it pertains to Christian leadership; I think I will futuristically steer clear of this issue. If I can be perfectly frank and earnest William; It seems so very ironic that these who are “OPENLY” Gay here, do not become as offensive as those who seem to feel shame, and so in an ephemeral decision to silence me, they become impetuous in their responses to me and their conversations. As a black heterosexual male, if there was the slightest hint of insecurity of my sexuality, then like those who attacked me, I would have chosen retaliation, acting in predation as they decided to do. Instead, I gave no credence to it, nor did I find it insulting that they would print such lies here on your blog about me; simply because I know there is no truth in what they’ve said or assumed. I can’t get mad at, or be insulted about a lie; to the point I become emotionally piturbed to defend it. One of my future endaevors is to come visit you & your church fellowhip, and sit down with you face to face; that we might better dialogue about issues like this and others, without the sadly false Camaraderies from those who feel they have to defend what they choose from such an ugly view. I look forward to reading more from the other blog issues you write about, and I wish you nothing but the greatest success in your personal endeavors of informative journalism that pertains to social issues in society.

I must be honest with you when I say that I am so busy I miss a number of the comments. However, I and my staff try to address issues that can get out of hand.
Your comment to me was pulled because you addressed me directly. Now the things written to you I will go back and speak to them. It is my desire to have us dialogue not down each other. Hopefully you understand my intention and why I felt the need to address you.

More House is a openly gay training ground for Homosexual activity from what many brother are saying now. Young brothers attending more house have to contend with men wear women apparel etc! Underground soroities etc. its know wonder Howard Would sanction something like this and then tie it in with a Civil Rights Leaders. With the caption first openly gay!! As if this give some creditability to this outragous effect to legitimize Morehouse effort to make this mess ok in the eye of African Americans and Africans around the world by eluding that Martin L King would have accepted this ungodly Practice if he was alive today!! No weapon formed against us the true believers will prosper!

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