This is part of an article I found researching about the windmills on Mallorca, and I think that provides an approximate location of the second Detour:

"The windmills we see when landing at the airport in Palma, Mallorca's most symbolic, are windmills to draw water. There are about 2500 of these, almost entirely concentrated around southern towns such as Palma, Campos and Ses Salines, or toward the center of the island, near Sa Pobla and Muro. They are characterized by their "arrow" and is used to pump water to a "sofret" or water tank."

We still have that mystery ferry in the caps... (I don't think we ever 100% confirmed it? )

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"Our fans are pretty good. They don't give away too much. Sometimes people love dropping spoilers, but our fans are good. They tend to do it in such a way that doesn't ruin it for fans who don't want to know."--Phil Keoghan

"Our fans are pretty good. They don't give away too much. Sometimes people love dropping spoilers, but our fans are good. They tend to do it in such a way that doesn't ruin it for fans who don't want to know."--Phil Keoghan

Great job Chateau!! Did we KNOW they caught a ferry in Barcelona before?

And thanks for the MAP Alenavada!!

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"Our fans are pretty good. They don't give away too much. Sometimes people love dropping spoilers, but our fans are good. They tend to do it in such a way that doesn't ruin it for fans who don't want to know."--Phil Keoghan

Peach, probably Chateau will provide you with better info, but the avenue where the girls are in the cap is the same you must use to go to the Palma Port, and if you make a Google map route search between point A and B of the map, you can see that the route goes through this same point. So I tend to agree with Chateau about that point.

It was Dom El who found the Twinnie post about beaching in Barcelona, the waiting for ferry, etc.

But you posted the time data of the ferry, that's what I was talking about. Anyway, something else to support the theory: PMI is in the Sant Jordi area, 12 miles away from Palma, in the opposite direction from the Port.

Coming back from Mallorca is the obvious time to go to Barcelona since the Talgo Train to France departs from there (also Madrid but that doesn't count in this discussion). Taking the ferry back to Barcelona is one of 2 alternatives, flying being the other.

apskip, I don`t want to argue with you, but in all the promos - you can check on post 2 - the beach scenes appears as belonging to this leg of the race. I remember your specs on the Transportation thread about flights and ferries, and one spec comes to me - it's a spec, ok?, as wild as it sounds -: what if teams has to pick - from some logistical reasons - the cars in Barcelona (maybe at El Prat) and not in Palma and then travel to Mallorca using the ferry - as in TAR2 -?

Looks as though teams fly to Barcelona and get a ferry to Palma! There's a beach very close to the terminal so it seems as though teams are killing time waiting for the ferry..

Here's the photo comparison:

If teams start in Amsterdam, then they will want to fly to Mallorca direct. In order to take a ferry, they would have to get to Barcelona first, so why not bypass that and fly directly to Mallorca?

Well, it's easy, maybe producers just dropped the first route info as "Fly to Barcelona and get to some place (e.g. some Gaudi's architecture) to collect your next clue", then the next clue will direct teams to take ferry to Mallorca. In this way they can make sure they got the ferry part involved in the travel, and can let time to bunch the teams up!

I started with a data point that I am familiar with. That was the tweet from the guy that was on the crew. He woke up at 5 am and had a 6 am call time on set. To me that meant they were not expecting any teams till about 7 am. That is too early to leave Amsterdam on that morning. If they had flown from Amsterdam direct to Mallorca, they would have had later set call times.

Looking at the flights from AMS to BCN, it was pretty obvious that there were more than enough flights to get all the teams to Barcelona and to Mallorca for a bunching point somewhere. I just didn't figure in the ferry aspect. I figure it was about a 24 hour pit stop in Amsterdam and teams released about 2 pm. Could be sooner, but 24 hours seemed about right.

Even though we think this leg is most likely a NEL, I got to thinking it would be nice if it was an old fashioned TBC and they get a clue to take their car on a ferry back to Barcelona and catch the train for Chartes there!

I say this could be a small place that is just next to the cathedral. Can someone search for the exact place?? I remember being there for sure, and I am 99% sure it is that one... But did not know that was the name...

I say this could be a small place that is just next to the cathedral. Can someone search for the exact place?? I remember being there for sure, and I am 99% sure it is that one... But did not know that was the name...

I think David's got it! Compare where the Chips are standing with this view:

This was taken on the steps of the Cathedral of Santa Maria of Palma. I've got no idea where the D'Alt Murda comes from, which doesn't seem to match up with anything nearby (Dalt Murada is a few blocks away).

Do we have any facts on the order of finish for this leg? I know we think its a NEL and that the Twinies go out in 4th place but that doesn't mean they have to finish last this leg? Is there time in this leg for Josh and Brent to catch up or are they saved by another NEL.

I was thinking the order of finish for just this leg may go something like this:

1. Chips2. Trey & Lexi3. Twinies4. Josh and Brent (saved by a NEL and crawl into final three next episode)