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charlieocoursethe story jack -->>charlie: bynorman mailer and lots of other people. >> jack henry abbott was not a serial killer. and jack henry abbott wrote a novel, wrote a book. it was absolute, i think, a masterpiece. and of course people want to believe in redemption and redemption is really critical to our society. and if we couldn't feel redeemed for the wrongs we've committed, and i'm not speaking about murder here but even the smallest wrong, obviously we would be the poorer for it. but as you know, abbott didn't even make his first nine in the halfway house before he killed someone down on the lower east side. >> charlie: what did he say to you about redemption? or what does it say to you. >> it says to me you just have to be really careful about letting people ... see i n't know how you make up for murde. >> charlie: bring them back to life. >> when you set yourself up as the final arbitrator of life a death, and you're not just, and you actually act on that, i don't know how you can be redeemed. i don't get it. >> charlie: do you favor then capital punishment, sa

charlie o course the story jack -- >> charlie: by norman mailer and lots of other people. >> jack henry abbott was not a serial killer. and jack henry abbott wrote a novel, wrote a book. it was absolute, i think, a masterpiece. and of course people want to believe in redemption and redemption is really critical to our society. and if we couldn't feel redeemed for the wrongs we've committed, and i'm not speaking about murder here but even the smallest wrong, obviously we would be...

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.>>charliethisis why iworkohard,to get here.>>charlie: lionelbarber is here editor for the financial tievmenthe began 25 years ago as a washington correspondent. he has brought the paperbac to profit by successfully chargin for on-line content. he's also writn about what he calls thent of u.s. testimony in relation to the rise of china. i'm pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. it's right after they think they have some small answer to what's going to are happen to sovereign debt in europe? >> well, the chinese are on stand by so to speak. we wrote a big story last week, we talked to members polit borough, condition on who is going to come in. a little size clause, please no more criticism about our exchange rate. >> charlie: so back to europe. what do you think of the deal that they struck? >> well, deal in a apostrophe's, i would say. what kind of deal. they use this word comprensive. the trouble is we've had these comprehensive deals trusted t over the last few months. the st tngn july. and interesting, the stock market went up but creditly the debtarkets look

. >> charlie this is why i work o hard, to get here. >> charlie: lionel barber is here editor for the financial tievmenthe began 25 years ago as a washington correspondent. he has brought the paperbac to profit by successfully chargin for on-line content. he's also writn about what he calls thent of u.s. testimony in relation to the rise of china. i'm pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. it's right after they think they have some small answer to what's going to are...

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ostudiosin new york city, thisischarlierose.>> charlie: chris matthews is here. he's the most of msnb hard ball with chris matthews and has his weeky program called the chris matthews show. his latest project is a biography of president john f. kennedy. it is called jack kennedy, elusive hero. it's said of the book it's history at its best is about telling stories that bring the past to life. then chris matt yeups is a master storyteller forthis mass fating pour trust bringing jac kennedy to life more than any recent work. i'm glad to have cis matthews back at this table in fighting form. you should be pud. >> it takes years of work to get back here. it's worth it. >> keep writing books like this and you'll get a place at the table. everything about this is fascinating, including just the portrait. tell me when you look at this portra what do you think. >> i see a guy casual clothes on a beach probably in cape cod, hyannis. walking off into what looks like white space. so where did he go and also where did he come from jackie once saido ted sorensen his speech writer. she call

o studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: chris matthews is here. he's the most of msnb hard ball with chris matthews and has his weeky program called the chris matthews show. his latest project is a biography of president john f. kennedy. it is called jack kennedy, elusive hero. it's said of the book it's history at its best is about telling stories that bring the past to life. then chris matt yeups is a master storyteller forthis mass fating pour trust bringing jac...

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-->>charlie: pausethey want a part oftheomoneyor something like that? >> it's everything, you know. it's everything. the oil, it's iran, it's united states wants 4,000 troops there. they spend trillions of dollars. why would they just get up and leave. but it actually says something by the ft that t united stes is leavi. it says okay, we're out, you know, we're not we're not going to be occupiers forever. >> do you still have people say look in the end in iran, in iraqi people you talk to, i'm glad notwithstanding all the pain and all the suffering it was worth it to overthrow saddam husain. >> the other thing you feel when you talk to people is if you listed all the traassachusetts that iraq has faced in the last 30 years i don't think the iranian war ranks at the top. but also the period of the 91 uprising after that and slaughtering so many people under saddam. that's o o the problems they never had a real reconciliation process like south africa did. >> it was incredibly crippling. life before the invasion and the years leading up to it were teible for the country. the economy

-- >> charlie: pause they want a part of the o money or something like that? >> it's everything, you know. it's everything. the oil, it's iran, it's united states wants 4,000 troops there. they spend trillions of dollars. why would they just get up and leave. but it actually says something by the ft that t united stes is leavi. it says okay, we're out, you know, we're not we're not going to be occupiers forever. >> do you still have people say look in the end in iran, in...

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put an end to it.>>charlie: whoisn't say that. tell me who doesn't say. you says not everyone agrees. who doesn't agree. united states agrees? france, does france agree? >>o few blocks from here to the u.n. general awe -- assembly. you can fine more than -- >> charlie: you think israel should not respond. >> no, israel should not respond in any way which iseffective. we a not talking abo response and a march to some embassy. we're talking about action that aimed a those terrorists and called them and we are kind of ctical. >> charlie: invasion of gaza an appropriate response in your judgment. >> if worse comes to worse, i don't want to predict if hamas will keep acting or allowing actis in israel that will deteriorate the launching of rockets into the population nothing could be removed from the tablencluding much wider operations. charlie: it was said to me in damascus if the occation stopped, the resistance stops. do those words have any meaning to you? >> it's probably have certain meaning under some certain groups within the perconstitute. if you just read the english tran

put an end to it. >> charlie: who isn't say that. tell me who doesn't say. you says not everyone agrees. who doesn't agree. united states agrees? france, does france agree? >>o few blocks from here to the u.n. general awe -- assembly. you can fine more than -- >> charlie: you think israel should not respond. >> no, israel should not respond in any way which iseffective. we a not talking abo response and a march to some embassy. we're talking about action that aimed a...

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many people as i can, both in theworldoideasand in the world of actually trying to help people. >> charlie: the latest from egypt and remembering at the time forstmann when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, th is charlirose. >> charlie: we begin then with going political unst in egypt. the ruling military counsel annunciationed today it would hand over power to an elected president no later than july 1, 2012. the parliamentary elections would proceed on monday. the head of the supreme council of the armed forces addressed the crises in a speech to the nation today. >> the armed forces represented in the supreme council of the armed forces -- at the presidency or at power we put the interestf egypt above everything else and we are willing to hand over the authority and power to a civil elected power and we go back to our barracks what people are to do without referendum. >> charlie: mass protest against the military rule have continued on the streets. they're estimated to be the biggest rally since the overthrow of presid

many people as i can, both in the world o ideas and in the world of actually trying to help people. >> charlie: the latest from egypt and remembering at the time forstmann when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, th is charlirose. >> charlie: we begin then with going political unst in egypt. the ruling military counsel annunciationed today it would hand over power to an elected president no later than july 1, 2012. the...

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parties an great putting when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communicationsfromostudiosin new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: khalil byrd and elliotackerman, the c.e.o. and coo of americans elect. their goal is to put a nonpartisan candidate on the ballot for the 2012 election through an open and online collection. they're hoping to be in all 50 states by 2012. i am pleased to have them here at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you for having us. >> rose: tell me about the third way. what is it? >> americans elect are going to be inviting every voter in the united states to participate in a nominating process to put a third ticket, a nonpartisan ticket on the ballot in all 50 states. it's happening right now, and even in so much as todae can say we're on our ninth state, which is utah. people are coalescing around the idea this cycle that we could pick a and the not a party and see governance occur that isn't necessarily tied to the interest tofhe far right or the far left. that's what we're doing in americans elect, creating a pathway for an indep

parties an great putting when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from o studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: khalil byrd and elliotackerman, the c.e.o. and coo of americans elect. their goal is to put a nonpartisan candidate on the ballot for the 2012 election through an open and online collection. they're hoping to be in all 50 states by 2012. i am pleased to have them here at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you for having...

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with mark zuckerberg is so exciting and we have jeff -->>charlie: itcontinues to be amazing. >> recreated himself. >> charlie: exactly. >> that when you see the real genius in our industry. do you know what, isn't that the whole symmetry of our industry that it keeps burking o like that and that is the way it should be. when i get upset is when i see someone hammering it. >> charlie: is there a race between google and facebook which is the cover story of fortune magane. i don't think s i think that's sensationalist. >> charlie: that's competition and no borders between them. google has google plus. >> and there are a lot of competitors coming u there are no boundaries today just likeou said and you're going to see new competitors and new entrepreneurs. the most exciting thing that's happened in our industry is the youth. there are all these young entrepreneurs coming up. we add another one, jack dorsi with twitter. coming up underneath them is a whole bunch of young kids. i just did an april credible thing. i have to tell you this one thing. i took a day off and i went to th

with mark zuckerberg is so exciting and we have jeff -- >> charlie: it continues to be amazing. >> recreated himself. >> charlie: exactly. >> that when you see the real genius in our industry. do you know what, isn't that the whole symmetry of our industry that it keeps burking o like that and that is the way it should be. when i get upset is when i see someone hammering it. >> charlie: is there a race between google and facebook which is the cover story of...