You seem to overlook the reason that there is a reason for the complaint button here. As for what is making moderators tear their hair out, I would venture to it's posters carrying on instead of using the complaint button and other channels.

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Originally Posted by Mike212311

If everytime some provocateur were suspected or the "complaint button" used because offense was taken by someone, the moderators would be pulling their hair out and not be able to partake in normal discussion. My main reason for not giving membership to many groups calling themselves "Klan" today is because of their flawed behavior. To honestly reveal observations of behavior from experience (I was naturalized in 1990) is not breaking the oath to those claiming the title of Klansman.

It seems as though you want to stifle debate because it is an embarrassment to the name of the Klan. I don't know you, Knightrider1961 and I believe your intentions are good as you've brought up some valid points, but you must know that if problems are ignored, they continue to exist without finding a solution. Pride goeth before a fall. I certainly don't expect solutions and classified information will be found discussing it on this board for every prying eye. However if the Klan is to remain, those assuming the name need to be corrected by the elders when they compromise security of the group whether it's acceptance of membership, adherence to Prescripts, or conduct. All Klansmen should never disregard the importance of those points.

Knightrider and I were both naturalized in or about 1978 into different Klans, although we've never met each other.

Knightriders intentions are above reproach.

I think your intentions are probably honorable as well, but your idea of what the Klan should be, might not be what the Klan has been since 1915.

I think you might be making a mistake by attacking traditional Klansmen by calling them "agent provocateurs".

Mike, you said:

You're right Mike. Knightrider and I are your elders, but you aren't taking your own advice by listening to us as we try to teach you the way of the Klan.

Please quit attacking Klansmen Mike.

It's sometimes difficult for us to debate those who are well intentioned, but may not be leadership material.

You're not a Klansman. Stop telling people you are. You are the only one I've identified as an agent provocateur and the appropriate people have been notified. Again, you twist words to the point of making it seem as if I'm attacking brother Klansmen. Again,your judaic tactics are so transparent.

So what happens after we take over and the Consitution as it was originally intended, is reinstated, saved from shreading? The NS are not going to go for that form of Government, we all know that. What happens next? Another war?

Wrong, You are forgetting the tradition of NS in America. This is not Wartime Germany. Wartime emergency measures used in a losing war will not be needed. They were the cause of most of the restrictions in life in that place and time. Americans , including NS Americans, would not stand for that kind of restrictions, even in an emergency situation. NS adapts to the nation it is in. The Bund, The Colombians of Atlanta and Rockwell's party were followers to the constitution. They took an oath to this effect. A few of the more recent groups who are Strasserites may grumble about things not going their way, but, that would be about it. They are a small minority of NS. Although they seem to be the most vocal for their size.
White Nationalist must stick together in bad times and good. A constitutional Government is the best means to do so. All parties having a say, working toward having planks of their platform adopted as government policy, and the democratic process is the best means for a coalition White Nationalist government.
But, we seem to be getting ahead of ourselves. First we must secure a future for our race. That will take a combined effort of all our organizations world wide. And, sustaining our white nations after the fact will continue to require a combined effort. The Jews have organized the non white populations against us and they are 90% of the worlds population.
Survival demands a unified effort or we will be eliminated piecemeal.

Despite xfgi's attempt to take the words of my previous post out of context (a jewish "investigator" tactic), the truth is that oratory skills at many public demonstrations have been embarrassing, not robes.

Virgil Griffin's time was not today and there is less public acceptance of the Klan now than during the 70's and 80's. It is the secrecy and anonymity that made the Klan stand the test of time. From tactical self defense to covert political activity, it is the secrecy that made them a force to be reckoned with. Wearing robes in public won't win any more support than national socialists displaying swastikas in public. When aliens to the Klan inquire with me about "the Klan" I ask them,"Which one?" There are scores of groups using the name and some past and present have proven to be either federal traps or morally reprehensible.

The reds didn't change the face of America by appearing as reds. They did it through covert activity.

I agree with you, Walter. It is reasonability and genuine good conduct that will create a strong network, and that is the goal I will continue to work toward.

Each Klan should decide for themselves what tactics to use. It is not up to one Klan to tell another how to operate. That also applies to all WN groups.

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Originally Posted by kayden

Yes. Everyone has a right to their opinion and their particular spin on how a White government should be run. The A3P has shown the best promise for a face for WN in this nation for a long time. If they stick to their guns and do not get watered down like some European counterparts or other American parties, I can see nothing but growth from them.

Like I said before, they are in the "so far, so good" category.

Every revolution must have a political face. It can't just be all guns and guts. An armed revolution doesn't always end with the right Folks in control because they won by force and not necessarily by support.

It is the hope of many of us in this movement that some common ground can be found between all White groups so that when the time comes for us to decide on the face of a new nation, it is founded by civilized means. That begins with individual groups deciding their face in civilized ways, like the various Klan orgs, NS groups, Skin crews, etc.

I have faith that that's possible despite the back and forths on the internet currently.

Whether a WN government if founded in each of our nations by revolution or democratic process, White Nationalist must be civil to one another and use democratic means when dealing with each other.

You're not a Klansman. Stop telling people you are. You are the only one I've identified as an agent provocateur and the appropriate people have been notified. Again, you twist words to the point of making it seem as if I'm attacking brother Klansmen. Again,your judaic tactics are so transparent.

Wait a minute...he's not a Klansman? What proof have you of that? Seems he is advocating several Klans on his own dime with his website! The only thing i can think of that you might not like about him is his stance on NS. That seems to be a disagreement here, so be it but, is that the reason you call him out as a non-Klansman, or is there something else?

[QUOTE=Walter Fairchild II;8109388]Each Klan should decide for themselves what tactics to use. It is not up to one Klan to tell another how to operate. That also applies to all WN groups.QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you are supposing here, but if it's that common sense should be negotiable to repetitive mistakes made by pop-up Klans that are here today, gone tomorrow or compromised to infiltrators, then I stand accused. But let the re-enactment continue. I won't obstruct the sideshow.

Each Klan should decide for themselves what tactics to use. It is not up to one Klan to tell another how to operate. That also applies to all WN groups.QUOTE]
Mike's reply:
I'm not sure what you are supposing here, but if it's that common sense should be negotiable to repetitive mistakes made by pop-up Klans that are here today, gone tomorrow or compromised to infiltrators, then I stand accused. But let the re-enactment continue. I won't obstruct the sideshow.

I was referring to the use of robes. If one Klan uses them in public and another in privet ceremonies only, nether is wrong. It is up to each WN organization on how they operate. Let each party make their own decisions.

Another thought, let the multitude of organizations work for us. We can choose the best fit for us.
Also if one Organization gets busted up by our enemies like the lawyer Mo Sleaze the others still stand and can take on the displaced members. As long as we see each other as fellows in the cause, being in many small organization can be a benefit. Only when we are in opposition to each other do we lose our collective strength. We can still coordinate strategies and work together.

I was referring to the use of robes. If one Klan uses them in public and another in privet ceremonies only, nether is wrong. It is up to each WN organization on how they operate. Let each party make their own decisions.

Another thought, let the multitude of organizations work for us. We can choose the best fit for us.
Also if one Organization gets busted up by our enemies like the lawyer Mo Sleaze the others still stand and can take on the displaced members. As long as we see each other as fellows in the cause, being in many small organization can be a benefit. Only when we are in opposition to each other do we lose our collective strength. We can still coordinate strategies and work together.

I find it laughable that any so-called klansman would place more emphasis on "wearing robes in public" than ethics and effectiveness. I wouldn't cooperate with any Klan or individual who would place public display over the duties of Klansmen. Dispersed Klans are wise and many of us have known this for quite some time, but they'd best adhere to the tactical foundation of secrecy and the ethical standards of; GOD, Race, and Country...and live it. There is no room for the acceptance of stupid or immoral officers.

I would say Kalifornia Kluxer post hit it right on the head.I would also go as far as saying that in -1977 is the day the Klan died.
that what my grandfather . always said when nazi's came into the klan. Thats the day old WW2 vet's took off there robes.plus many other things over the years