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Nike walks up bravely/terrified, and pulls out her sword...in an instant, she cuts off Hysteria's leg, and Tabitha/Deneve immediatly swoop in and pull Ana away....

Nike quickly tries to swipe at Hysteria, but to her shock, she isn't going for her at all, but for Ana and the others...she even seems to power-up if her vengeful face means anything...

But in that moment, Miria jumps her...

If Miria indeed jumped her while she was zooming, and especially after she powered up, that does imply that Miria was indeed faster then her....the way I see it then, is that, she only powered up the exact moment Miria jumped her and was actually travelling slow, or at least, slow enough that she could call back to Nike and presumably mock her.

"Slow" is relative considering how those two panels on page 24 show her catching up to Ana and co very fast, and we're assuming that they are racing with everything they've got....ehh, it all feels very close (and by close, I mean the line between plausible and unplausible); considering this is base Miria we're talking about, (extreme) luck is undeniably involved in order to keep things logical. Hysteria just didn't expect her coming at all, though I can see how that wouldn't be enough for some people.

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@Shiek
The problem here is, when Miria caught up with her (which implies she was faster than her) she wasn't that arrogant any more and if she was indeed above Miria's league she wouldn't even stop but instantly kill Ana and her carriers and went back for Miria in a split of a second (something what Rigaldo did). Now that would be awesome. But no, she turns out to be not even of Rigaldo level it seems...

*shrug....Speed always was Rigardo's forte....but Rigardo was certainly no Abyssal either... (it's suddenly occurred to me that we've never seen his kind of speed shown ever again; not this multiple-killing in a split second like he did)

Ehh, I guess she was caught by surprise so much, that she just totally abandoned the others and went straight back for the pest Miria; thinking she could finish the others easily when she's done (and frankly, if Miria is staying in base form, she's making it easy for her).

I know it may not seem like much, but I'm trying hard to rationalize things

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That's why I find it hard to believe that Hysteria is of Abyssal level. Since their introduction we were told AOs are in a completely different league than the rest of ABs. Isley, even though much more powerful and bigger than Rigaldo (who was at least as fast as Miria's fastest phantom without going over her limit) was faster than lion king, there was such a difference. Now Miria and others are supposedly facing the fastest AB ever and what do we see? Everyone can stand their ground against her and Miria seems to be faster than her even though she was slower than unawakened Hysteria, lol. And Hysteria is bound to be killed by Dr. Deneve and her team which will really show how broken power levels are.

Maybe the answer goes back to what I said one time in that the ressurecction short-changed them - awakening was inevitable given their circumstances...maybe they got short-changed in the power-aspect and they didn't come out as strong as they should have, even though they are indeed No.1's -- perhaps Hysteria was supposed to get wings and she didn't....

That line of thinking makes sense when you consider that Hysteria was indeed faster then Miria as a human...

(then again, I think those words are relative...... she couldn't win through conventional methods and had to use cleverness and the whole sword-in-mouth thing...that whole battle was a technique vs technique show...Hysteria was going to eventually win if Miria didn't pull it off....so.....yeah, nevermind - alright: she was indeed faster then her.)

I'm not sure though on a few things - one, that Hysteria is supposed to be the "fastest" AB/AO ever - maybe I forgot, but when was that said? and everyone can stand their ground?

I disagree....if anything, Hysteria has been in command of this fight all along - in part, it doesn't feel that way because Hysteria is still experimenting with her new body; trying to fly for instance...that's why I think it seems the others actually have a chance with her....more and more since she's awakened though, I think it's becoming more plain that the odds are going further into Hysteria's favor, as well they should be.

The only thing that gets in the way of that is here - when Miria catches up with her, though I think my idea of her immediately pouncing her when she powers up is right - because once Hysteria sees Miria, her face is immediatly back to normal....so she couldn't have charged up too much if she changed back so quickly.

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@Shiek
As Malak pointed out earlier, no other AB had such problems with stopping as Hysteria had (besides Clare but she wasn't exactly AB) which suggests she reached impossible speeds (i.e. she's the fastest AB we've seen, Priscilla excluded maybe). As for everyone being able to stand their ground, well, no one died right? And somehow Hysteria couldn't kill anyone even though she had over 30 pages in this chapter alone ;P. Nike and Deneve are unscathed, Helen wasn't even hit (as always) and the ones that were hit have been protected. So as a group they can easily stand their ground against her.

I think I'm actually willingly to accept she may be the fastest AB we've seen yet (barring Priscilla perhaps)....what clinches it is, her phantoms in the air.....we've never seen anyone doing that besides Miria - certainly not an Abyssal - not Riful, not Alicia, not Isley....she's the only one on her, presumably AO, level who has ever done this; that says alot.

Deneve, by the way, called all three of them "Abyssal-level opponents"....so even if Hysteria, and all the others, have indeed not reached their full potential because of hiccups in the ressurection....they are still strong enough to have that label which, well, is alot.

So if they had any serious issues, like the Ghosts being able to catch them, it can't be because of power and must be other reasons - you can't be an Abyssal and others can catch if you if it's not deliberate....that's impossible and/or embarrassing.

I think, again, Miria's surprise-hit is going to boil down to extreme luck - even if she was deliberately going slow to berate Nike some more....even if she only powered up the very second Miria pounced her (which is true, if my face analysis is right)....it's all relative because, being as fast as she presumably is, that's still veerrrry fast; it feels like a stretch to say she slowed herself down THAT much, especially considering how close she was gaining on Ana and co....

And this is base Miria we're talking about....suddenly I think the whole thing has crossed the line to straight up inplausible/complete luck.

But as for them holding their ground.....Gooral, you don't expect Yagi to kill off a bunch of his main characters all at once do you?

That's what it is - it's not that they can't stand against her, it's just that Hysteria either seemingly misses them all (reasoning is probably still lack of control on her part - this Claire-berserker speed she has now may not even last; she probably will control herself more very shortly), or most of the Ghosts die in one shot. Pick your choice

Yeah, that's really what it is I think; may seem like a bad excuse, but...

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@Shiek
If she misses them even though she has so much bigger body and wires/limbs that could cut in half any Claymore at her speed if she bothered to stretch them, then she completely sucks. And you surely don't believe any Claymore will die? ;P

@Shiek
If she misses them even though she has so much bigger body and wires/limbs that could cut in half any Claymore at her speed if she bothered to stretch them, then she completely sucks. And you surely don't believe any Claymore will die? ;P

Roflmao, then she completely sucks, or she is still getting used to her body to such a degree, that her accuracy is pitiful, or Yagi didn't want to derail the story and kill of...what, three Ghosts in one shot ....call it what you will

(Ironically, said ghosts are Tabitha, Helen and Deneve....who don't have the best reputation at the moment; I'd miss them, and people would too, though I imagine many people would say 'good riddance' at first, since the first things they remember is Dr.D, Helen's stupidity that thwarts death, and Tabitha's lack of importance )

Do I believe a Claymore will die? Well, I'm hoping somebody besides the ZAOs dies around here...if Yagi keeps pulling off surprisingly exciting moments filled with tension like this mexican-standoff he had going on in this one, he may make me (almost) forget that no-one has died in a very very very long time...

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.....You know, in a cosmic sort of way, it really is something how so many of us are hoping for blood and guts .

Anyway, It's extremely late over here - I'm going to bed now

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@Shiek
If she misses them even though she has so much bigger body and wires/limbs that could cut in half any Claymore at her speed if she bothered to stretch them, then she completely sucks. And you surely don't believe any Claymore will die? ;P

i can read Chinese so...

Hysteria deliberately didn't kill any of the warriors, she said in this chapter that if someone is willing to pull that sword out, she would let her live, she mentioned that she couldn't be so kind (as in the last chapter) anymore, and if no one would pull the sword out for her, she would mince everyone so that she could swallow them

n eventually, Nike volunteered, and as promised, after the sword had been pulled out, Hysteria said she would not kill Nike and she went to hunt others instead

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miria's monologues and the dialogues between miria and deneve explained well that it's impossible for everyone to survive, deneve even criticized miria that she is too perfectionist, it is naive to hope that all warriors could survive in reality, and it is perfectly okay that some of them die in the battle <-- i think u guys should read the english translation later, i quite like the lines by deneve, it is like the old claymore style is back

Hysteria deliberately didn't kill any of the warriors, she said in this chapter that if someone is willing to pull that sword out, she would let her live, she mentioned that she couldn't be so kind (as in the last chapter) anymore, and if no one would pull the sword out for her, she would mince everyone so that she could swallow them

n eventually, Nike volunteered, and as promised, after the sword had been pulled out, Hysteria said she would not kill Nike and she went to hunt others instead

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miria's monologues and the dialogues between miria and deneve explained well that it's impossible for everyone to survive, deneve even criticized miria that she is too perfectionist, it is naive to hope that all warriors could survive in reality, and it is perfectly okay that some of them die in the battle <-- i think u guys should read the english translation later, i quite like the lines by deneve, it is like the old claymore style is back

imo this chapter makes many things so rational again

So she's been holding back? While those words are supposed to be reassuring for people like me who are at a loss due to recent events, I just can't seem to shake off how much it seemed like she had actually been trying... There are so many inconsistencies.

I think Hysteria, having had the sword removed, was too fixated on the food to notice Miria. That's how I see it, because it wouldn't make sense any other way. The notion that Miria moved so fast that Hysteria wasn't able to detect her (recall Rigardo's musings upon the introduction of Clare's awakened legs) is ludicrous. Then again, when we look further along the scene, we see Hysteria not being able to reach Miria despite the latter changing directions multiple times, whereas she is apparently proceeding in a straight line. Ugh...

Also note how easily Nike (twice) and Dietrich (once) managed to cut off Hysteria's legs, whereas Miria wasn't able to. Does Miria's strength really suck that much? I recall her strength pre-timeskip was a C, so it's plausible. Still, it's quite hard to believe that those two are stronger than Miria in terms of raw strength.

Then there's the issue of Helen being able to dislodge Hysteria's blades. Examining several pages of Scene 122 immediately prior to Yuma speaking, we see that Hysteria supposedly shoots and retracts those blades at such speed that the holes don't appear to have blades embedded in them, and that the ones that do are mostly probably for explanatory purposes, and yet here's Helen, who manages to shoot at it while having sensory powers not even remotely close to Clare's.

Lets clear something up, the spoiler flatout said your two's assertion was wrong and Miria was attacking Hysteria. As stated I was trying to point out this fact to you but you took my short reply into a flame bait level that is making me question if I set off your ego. All the caps marks seem to imply yes from where I sit, but know that wasn't my intent which was to point out your conclusion was wrong since you where basing it on nonfactual data that the spoiler clear said was taking place... I mean who else did you think the pet name "Leader" was when next to it Deneve's name was spelled out.

This convo has become as long as it did since you blew things way out of preportion and when I tried to clarify you took it even further. Know I won't even read any replies to this if I feel this debate is about to get further out of hand... I'd rather just wait for another spoiler to talk about

For the love of god Ryus.....
I'll try to be even more simple:

I wasn't discussing with you at all,i was discussing with Newhope,and EVERYONE can see that if you read PROPERLY post #7 till post #9 i already stated WAY BEFORE your "out-of-the-mark" reply that with Miria in the fight things would be different, [B]BUT we were discussing a scenario where Miria didn't join the fight 'cause too tired!!!!
Do you get it now?NO MIRIA SCENARIO,NO MIRIA dammit.
Who the hell cares what the spoilers says,me and Newhope were discussing our own scenario!!!
You instead introduced into our discussion talking about Miria,proving that you didn't even bother to understand what we were actually discussing:

Helen+Deneve+normal warriors VS Histy (the core of the discussion was actually "speed" tbh....)

You are the one that introduced yourself in our discussion in an improper way (talking about Miria in the fight) and you also have the arrogance to say that I was the one spouting nonsense???
I already said multiple times that that was not our scenario,but you continued obstinately to insist wothout even trying to understand our scenario just because the spoilers says something different.WHo the F***KING cares about the spoilers,the only FACT is that in our discussion Miria was out of combat as hypothesis!!!

That's why i said that there is absolutely nothing that Helen and Deneve can do to defeat Histy even if they awaken,'cause even in the best scenario possible (always with Miria out,OBVIOUSLY) they can reach a level of weak n.2 awakened.....and sure as hell that's not even close to be able to face Histy's crazy speed just with the 100% irrelevant help of some normal warriors.
Depending on how they awaken they can at least buy some time if their awakening is somewhat fit to resist a bit Histy's attacks (or with Deneve's crazy regeneration she can defend at least her vital point and prolong the fight the more possible),BUT defeating Histy is a completely different matter exactly like it's also impossible for Hel&Den to protect the others if Histy decides to attack the weak ones first (like she should do.....but she almost surely won't).

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You rate them as number 3s (weak 2s at best) when Deneve has outperformed Galatea many times since thee time jump, Galatea had problem with two ABs when Deneve fought a half days worth of Hellcats and wasn't tired afterwards not to mention knowing Rifuls attack on her was about to be blocked by Clare by sensing it as evidenced by closing her eyes. Plus lets not forget that in many ways and Galatea was only number 3 due to Beth and her stats are about on par with Irene. I'll give you Helen is likely just a bit weaker than Irene/Galatea but due to her being a half awakened she too clearly would have more yoki endurance.

I'm not so sure that Gala is weaker than Helen and Deneve are,but even if that's the case?
Infact i said n.3 or weak n.2,this clearly implies that it's very possible that they could be stronger than Gala (since she is not a weak n.2)......but all the others n.2 that appears in the story are Raph,Irene,Roxy,Priscilla and Beth and they are WAY stronger than Helen and Deneve. I don't consider Rig and Agatha since we NEVER saw them as normal warriors so it's absurd to compare their powers with normal warriors.
I know perfectly well that all those n.2s are not normal,but it's not my fault that there are no "normal" examples in the whole manga.
The only one that could be a "normal" n.2 is Irene,and sure as hell Den&Hel are not at her level,but it's also true that Irene could actually be way stronger than a normal n.2,she could have been also n.1 material,afterall there is no way that even a normal n.1 could compare with monsters like Teresa and Prissy (poor Irene ).

Anyway, even if you don't agree with my weak n.2s hypotheis for Hel&Den,it's surely impossible to say that they are better than n.2 level,since sure as hell they are not n.1 material.....not even close to be honest......
....this means that even in the best possible scenario,Hel&Den would always move A LOT slower than Histy so unless Histy fights in a stupid way (like she probably will do) there is no way that those two can defeat Histy.

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Now as stated Miria was fighting in said spoiler, so debating if Helen and Deneve have a chance without her is moot, since she is there and fighting. Argue all you want about the odds without, I stand by my point that she is their in said spoiler. I stated I was here to discuss the spoiler not your dream match up just to make you feel good about making a meaningless point.

If you wanted to discuss the spoilers scenario than why the hell you introduced yourself in a discussion with a different scenario???
This is really ridiculous.
Look Ryus,no matter what you say,it's still a fact that YOU are the one introducing yourself in mine and Newhope discussion,so it's quite absurd that you join a particular discussion that revolves around a particular scenario and have the nerve to say that we are the one that should change our scenario,lol.

In our scenario Miria was out of the question,this is a FACT since it was the very hypothesis of our discussion.
If YOU join without even properly reading the actual discussion already started, it's YOUR DAMN FAULT,not mine.

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I was saying your example was bad and misleading... let me spell it out for you. Miria (M) defeating party X doesn't prove that party Y couldn't defeat opponent H, since party X couldn't defeat opponent M because X≠Y (to be more precise Y>X) and M≠H (and instead M~H but not quite exactly =(at the very end before Miria got distracted but then proved craftier, not clearly referring to earlier in the fight where Hysteria was kicking Miria's butt)). I understood the point you where trying to make but your example was bad and I didn't necessarily agree with your conclusion either.

That example was just to show that it's quite normal to conclude that when you move in slow motion against your opponent than there is nothing that you can do even if you attack your opponent with numbers (still 100% useless if all of them alsos move in slow motion).
Miria example was just that: an example,nothing more.
Anyway that's a general truth,if you move in slow motion compared to your opponent than you are f**ked,the names involved may change but if the scenario is the same the final result doesn't change UNLESS (like i said) your opponent does something stupid.

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So two warriors whom, have risen from rank 15 and 22 respectively to ranks 2-3 (your words) have don't have potential, when potential is impossible to quantify until more variable are known. You do realize what you say and argue doesn't quite support what you claim... right?

So what OBVIOUS potential do Helen and Deneve have? Please list supporting fact that prove their awakened forms can't get stronger from latent power or exactly what rank they are equal too (good luck with that when every gen has been different , points at Sophia, Ophelia, and Miata ).

First of all normally what really matters is their actual strenght,not the "potential",so their actual awakening sould reflect the awakening of n.3/n.2 warriors (Prissy seems to be a special case for some reason,maybe because her yoki is insane,who knows).
Anyway even if we talk about potential, it's clear that they are not n.1 material no matter how you see it,they probably have reached their peak in power.
This is 100% normal,it's not that your strenght increase indefinitely just because you train,lol.
If after those 7 years of crazy training that's their level than it's safe to conclude that they are basically at their best (or very close).
Or do you really think that they could awaken and obtain a power close to the abyssals???Now THAT would be ridiculous......

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Says you, I say she's "leader" in the spoiler who attacked Hysteria and defended Anastasia, when you say she wan't in it. So the problem is that MIRIA WAS IN THE DISCUSSION, hahahahahaha!

Miria was in the spoilers BUT was out of combat in the scenario that me and Newhope were discussing.
Me and Newhope are the only ones that have any saying in what there is or not in our discussion,not the spoilers.
If you wanted to discuss a scenario like the spoilers with Mria in the action than you shouldn't have put your nose in our discussion in the first place.
Seriously,you are at fault no matter how you look at it,lol.

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Now I've previously stated how Miria changes the dynamic and you agreed if present she would change it too and has at least a chance. Now lets move on that line of topic and you know, god forbid actually talk about the spoiler presented to us and not a meaningless debate where you tried to figure out the meaning of the spoiler before it was translated... you know new data that changes everything like you said and all, so we need to go back to square one see if it still fits with the old idea of Helen and Deneve not being able to defeat Hysteria in a group fight... Now Helen and Deneve with Miria as an ally... so yes the equation has changed. Now lets look back at the original topic you are trying to get back too and see if it still fits, Helen and Deneve (awakened) fighting Hysteria without Miria's support.

Incredible,if a discussion with Hel&Den + warriors against Histy is MEANINGLESS to you,than simnply don't join it,lol.
We were simply killing time in our hypothetical scenario,it's not your business if you don't want to discuss it, but it's quite rude and moronic on your part to say what we should or shouldn't discuss,especially when i said since post #7 that the whole fight-dynamic would be very different with Miria in the fight,lol.

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Lets see, Example A is without Miria and now proven false to be the stated fact in that spoiler and Example B is with Miria and has been proven to be true in that spoiler. So why do you want to talk about example A... Nostalgia? To beat a dead horse? Wearing a tin foil hat? Flame Waring?

It's mine and Newhope damn business if we want to discuss scenario A,it's just one of the 17653564376598 hypothetical discussions that are present in this board since ancient times, it just happened that way.
Do you think that discussing awakened Teresa vs aw Prissy,Rigardo against present Miria,Rigardo vs Irene and TONS of others are less hypothetical than scenario A??? LOL.

Also our discussion about scenario A was actually just the spark to a more general discussion where i stated that in my opinion if the difference in speed is IMMENSE, that "speed" alone is actually the only factor that really matters in the fight (and infact the Miria-example that i made was simply referring to this.....).
Obviously Miria joining the fight completely changes the discussion at its core since the huge difference in speed would be eliminated.
See?You didn't even bothered to understand the core of our discussion,lol.

I could go on... this was just the first time example of such a statement you said. However I saw no point in beating the hive any further, than to show I did correctly recall you saying that at least once and have evidence to support it. Sorry don't mean to be rude but you did say it and ask goaded me show when.

Don't you understand that i was talking about them in their human form (not awakened!!!!!)???If not why do you think i was talking about % yoki used???
When Prissy awakened it's stated clearly in the manga that she released her full potential (this generally never happens,she seems to be a special case), that's why it's impossible to judge if aw Prissy is stronger than aw Teresa....
.......BUT it's 100% sure that as a warrior (at that point) Teresa was A LOT stronger than Prissy since (like i said in that post) "during the fight Priscilla's 70-80% yoki was destroyed by just a little of Teresa's yoki....".
If you want to REALLY understand what i was saying in that post you have to go read dunames's post first....and you'll EASILY find out that what i was talking about has NOTHING to do with the words that you are putting in my mouth.....
You completely distorted what i said once again.

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I'll be fair, maybe I'm just recalling an old belief you had and have now recanted or modified it or failed to clarify an opinion vs a viewed fact... lets drop this though it will go no where but a people clicking the report button.

...but on a less serious do you really think you opposed Gooral on that topic more than me? SagaraSouske? Shieky? etc...

No Ryus,i haven't changed my mind at all about the theory in growing power,lol.
You are simply confusing me with someone else,100% sure about it.

I don't know if i opposed Gooral's theory more than you,but sure as hell i was one of the main opposers,if you don't belive me you can ask Gooral itself or look around in past threads ( i don't have the energy to do so now,but if you don't belive me you can check,all my posts are still there,lol).
Anyway,attributing me Gooral's theory is pure madness since i TOTALLY opposed it,lol (and no,it's not that i changed my mind now,lol).

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So we know agree that it could go either way, but personally speculate the opposite (but think it will be close). Plus we both hope in the end Clare will, on her own, overcome both of them... well, I'm fine with that

Yes, totally agree.It could go both ways.

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Agreed for the most part. Glad we're ending this convo more positively, though fear we have awakened Gooral from his slumber with this discussion

If we take it hidden in spoilers maybe he won't notice,lol.

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I just don't like Deus Ex Machina's and hope the series doesn't end on one. I want overcoming strife due to force of will not a cheap power up. In short i want Clare to already have Teresa's full power when her final fight with Priscilla happens and yet it still not be enough, but in the end find a way either gain more power or out think Priscilla... either would do for me. In short I want Clare to overcome the challenge due to herself and not some power from on high.

Understand you point of view and i see its merit,it's just that imo Claire shouldn't be "ashamed" to take Teresa's powers,since imo "Claire the warrior" is born like that so it's not right to consider Teresa's powers as something that "she doesn't deserve" or that is "something cheap" for her to obtain.
Afterall Claire is the one that more than anyone else had to struggle since she normally can "use" only 25% yoma and even if at the very end she'll be able to completely connect even to the Teresa's part inside of her, that would be the result obtained with a lot of work and sacrifices, at least that's how i see it.

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I defiantly agree Raphaela's quote will and should play a role in Clare defeating Priscilla, I just want Clare to not figure it out merely 10 seconds before she kills Priscilla but when the fight starts and still have to struggle to win. I don't care at all if she has another power source, I just want it done well. My personal spec on the quote actually pretty close to yours. However I've always been wary of speculating too heavily on the word body since I've seen it interrupted to be less meaning full http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...dy#post2446402 and more memory wise too and not body wise.

To be honest this part I feel is key to understanding what yagi will do but I've read so many body translations of it and each so different that I'm not sure I can figure out what exactly Yagi was hinting at. Though to me at this moment the hidden power in the body is likely, though I've seen many other good speculation on those key lines too.

Agree! What Yagi will decide to do about this mater is a very key point in the whole story,so it' REALLY important that he doesn't mess up,lol (*cross fingers*).

Conclusion: to be honest i have the impression that we actually agree a lot more than what it seems,and even the discussion about Helen and Denee is clearly founded on the misunderstanding that we are talking about two different scenarios so of course things don't work out at all.....what's funny is that i also agree that with Miria in the fight the whole situation is completely different from what i was discussing,lol.
There are a few points that i don't agree (like imo Den&Hel potential is n.3 or weak n.2.....look i can also concede n.2 level if Irene was an exception to the normal n.2 like it's 100% possible.......but those two are not n.1 material no matter how you look at it imo,not even close) but i guess that's quite normal,no?

Anyway i'm sorry for the repetitions in the "point-to-point" post style,it's just that it's more easy to keep track for me.

(...) Hysteria deliberately didn't kill any of the warriors, she said in this chapter that if someone is willing to pull that sword out, she would let her live, she mentioned that she couldn't be so kind (as in the last chapter) anymore, and if no one would pull the sword out for her, she would mince everyone so that she could swallow them

Her attitude is lame, instead of being so generous she should have killed Claymores one by one until someone would do what she told. In other words she should be more like Rigaldo.

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I really don't see Miria "catching-up" to Hysteria as Miria being faster, so much as Miria planned to intercept her in the first place.

AKA: They grab Anastasia and run away with her, Hysteria chases them.
Miria, expecting this, was already headed to cut her off before she actually got moving.(...)

What? Hysteria was already on the move before Miria caught up with her (she ran past Nike) so I don't see how it's even possible. Even if Miria would be closer to where Deneve, Tabatha and Ana were heading she still wouldn't know when to start running to intercept Hysteria. And how would Hysteria miss her in the first place? Not to mention that by the way she was attacked (i.e. from behind so she wasn't heading towards her in the opposite direction or even from the side) she had to be faster than her. The only way it's possible is that Hysteria was still playing with her food and was too focused on her hunt to notice Miria. But Miria had to be faster in order to attack as she did. Unless she jumped from a thread but I don't see how she could have such perfect timing.

And as Fermat wrote:

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Then again, when we look further along the scene, we see Hysteria not being able to reach Miria despite the latter changing directions multiple times, whereas she is apparently proceeding in a straight line. Ugh...

BTW, Fermat, nicely observed that Miria couldn't cut her legs but Nike and Dee didn't have such problems...

BTW, Fermat, nicely observed that Miria couldn't cut her legs but Nike and Dee didn't have such problems...

by that logic deneve was also unable to cut hysterias legs. both parried an attack of her.
it's quiet obvious that the plot demands them to cut her legs to free anastacia etc. it's not an indicator of strengh

what bugs me is that the page with anastacia on hysterias legs is a rehash of older panels (claire getting her head slammed in the ground, and the hysteria ones from the last chapter). also it seems to be too deneve centric for my taste.
edit: hysterias gameface looks like 2 puppies playing in a flowery meadow

You make some nice observation and critiques to this chapter about Histy's action,but imo you are forgetting a VERY SIMPLE point that could easily explain most(if not) all of your doubts about Histy:
what makes you think that she is not simply playing around with her opponents?
No,seriously,her attitude is exactly like someone that is not that serious.
Even if she can go at absurd speed,what makes you think that she isn't moving slower than her top speed? This could easily explain why Miria was able to jump at her (not to mention that Miria could also move in a different direction from Histy and have that advantage,it's not that Miria really outrun Histy,lol).
In the end Histy doesn't seem to be worried even one bit,so imo she's not even fighting seriously........and also it's a bit unfair to compare Histy with old AOs: she has awakened for the first time just a few minutes ago and she's clearly still playing around/ experimenting her new body, old abyssals instead were veterans in their awakened body and it makes sense that they were able to use their body to the fullest.
Probably that's exactly what Miria wants to use as an advantage,Histy's arrogance and maybe her low experience with her new body.

@little_angel

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Haven't read and won't read anything just wanna say Malak my theory (number 2) was right and no need to say that there was something wrong about it coz the chapter tells it all!!!!!!!

Yes,i admit that your second theory is actually on the mark,but tbh your second theory was based vastly on mine and Solace's theory (considering that in the beginning you belived that she losed her spikes while me and Soloce speculated that she didn't lose them at all,simply used and retracted),lol.
In the end i was wrong on two things mainly:
-one thing is the fact that i didn't belive realistic to obtain a good manouvrability using only one spike at a time (and tbh that should be 100% correct from a physics point of view,lol.....but in mangas this things don't work exactly as expected,hahaha),and on this point it seems that instead Yagi thinks like you that one spike is enough
-the other mistake is that i belived that what she did at the very could be something different from what she did initially (maybe i was tricked by the fact that Yagi seemed to put a good focus on Histy's last panels,as if she was about to do something new),and tbh it doesn't seems to be the case at all,lol
but the main mechanic of Histy's technique was very close to what actually happens: she doesn't lose her spikes at all,she use them and retracts them.

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Deneve,don't mind your haters,you look (i'll judge what she actually said later,when the eng version is out) super cool even in this chapter!!!

Anyway, does anyone else find it strange that in Cassie vs. Roxanne fight there seems to be no progress even though so much time has passed?

Yes and no. Yes since Yagi has a track record of fast forwarding to the end of AO fights. No since I never viewed Roxannes lack of ability in hitting Cassandra as a sign Roxanne was out classed, just Roxanne being surprised by Cassandras ability to dodge in that form. Also I was always kinda debating there 2 way AO fight becoming a 3 way fight and that couldn't happen if it was already over.

@manmmlala any clue from Deneve's comments about death... if we'll ever see it soon? and I'm going to be annoyed if "ms perfectionist miria" avoids causing any other warrior deaths by becoming the only casuality and sacrifices herself in some lame manner.