I agree with you too - but I think there may be a biological reason for this.

If you think about it, when a women cheats on her husband, the odds of the marriage ending as a result are far greater than when a man cheats on his wife.

Likewise, the attributes found most attractive in females - perfect symmetry in the face, fine nose, hair and eye color that are genetically recessive and so forth - are the very traits that therefore make it easiest for a father, just by looking, to tell that the child a woman has given birth to is *his*. This was definitely important in a woman's ability to make sure that the father of her child(ren) would be committed to providing resources.

I believe that things of this nature point to a biological basis for being less forgiving of women than of men.

Not all atributes in our biological makeup, which may have made sense at the time of their development, make sense in modern application. As a great example, our lack of ethnocentrism and our capacity for altruistic self-punishment which our enemies use so skillfully against us.

So, it may be that, as men; we need to override our instinctive responses and be more forgiving of women who have made a mistake - and welcome them into our community as lost souls and help to make them whole again and undo the brainwashing they received.

Some things, of course, cannot be undone. To have slept with a non-white, I think, can be undone. (Of course, that's easy for me to say - I'm married so I'm not in the dating scene and hopefully will never have to face that myself.)

But once a person has actually fathered or borne a non-white child, their loyalties will forever be in doubt. We cannot expect them to faithfully adhere to a program that would ultimately expel their child.

So there are limits to forgiveness - but I think that any who awaken - and whose loyalty is not forever split - should be welcomed and time/effort invested in helping them overcome the results of their brainwashing.

When a person acts on the basis of false information - it is NOT traitorous. Rather, it is an error.

Honest mistakes caused by believing in false and misleading information provided by trusted individuals can certainly be seen as gullibility - something for which us white folks are renowned world-wide - but it does not cross the line into a character flaw until the person is confronted with absolute proof of the falseness of his beliefs - and then chooses to ignore the facts in order to justify self indulgence. That choice to ignore facts and to place self indulgence above proper behavior is the character flaw.

So, I say, that with adequate training and exposure to sufficient documented facts to start undoing the damage of 22 years of propaganda - this fellow is salvageable for our folk.

I say to you:

The words used to mitigate an action are meaningless when the end result of said action is the same.

When I said:

Quote:

Once a traitor...........always a traitor.

Whether a person is a race traitor..........or a cheater.

It speaks to the character of the individual.

It is impossible for a traitor of any kind, to ever truly love another..........
because their character is deeply flawed by their ignorance of their true self.

If they can't be true to themselves.......how can one ever expect them to be true to another?

The ignorance that I referred to is due to the individual anti's/race traitor's innate incorrigibility.

In other words...........How can we expect a few conversations from a WN to an anti to have any meaningful effect on an anti's view of White Nationalism..........after the anti has been zog-brainwashed for decades?

The simple answer is.............we can't expect any change in attitude from the anti.........there are the rarest of exceptions, of course.........but I leave it up to the liberals to use the exception rather then the rule for validation of their lame arguments.

Instead...........look to the character traits that have brought each individual White National to his/her own level of racial conscienious...........and you will find mental flexibility and the ability to think in the abstract........There is also a full measure of a sense of fairness based on all of the variables that makes a culture civilized and therefore worthy of esteem.

These traits are utterly lacking in the typical race traitor............and there is no amount of rehabilitation that will bring him/her back to our cultural fold.

I can see and understand what you are saying, Whitebrain. Naturally, a set of preconditions exists in the person that allow them to be a race mixer to start with; and such attributes are an integral part of the person's personality.

As such, they won't change lightly or easily. As I described earlier - they could only change in a sort of metamorphosis that occasionally occurs in the case of druggies "hitting bottom."

In most cases, once a race traitor - always a race traitor. That's because the level of self examination required to reform those parts of the personality would be intensely painful, and therefore rare. In the case of a person who has actually fathered or borne a multiracial child, he would essentially have to reach the heartfelt conclusion that his child shouldn't exist - which nature simply won't let him do unless he's a psychopath to start with.

So I don't think we disagree about that essential point. In almost all cases, once a traitor, always a traitor.

Where I draw the idea of reformability from, though - is my own experiences. While I have never been a race traitor in the sense of breeding with non-whites; I was 1/3rd owner of a business with two jewish business partners. That business was an ISP. As such, I provided free access to Synagogues, and wrote terms of service that would specifically exclude sites like the one we are on now.

I had long been aware of racial differences generally, but was NOT aware of Jews being anything but white people with Germanic names who didn't acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. Working with them, I did a number of things that I am certain advanced the interests of jewry, rather than my own people. That is certainly being a "traitor", even though I didn't realize their interests were quite distinct from my own.

About three years ago, I was introduced to a book written by Professor Kevin MacDonald, and it changed my life. I had long felt uncomfortable about what was going on around me - but Professor MacDonald made it all make sense. I gave up my ownership in the company I had worked to build just to disengage myself from jewry, joined the National Alliance where I now participate in a number of projects of importance to the advancement of our people, and selected a new group of friends that are largely attached to my NA unit or nearby Asatru kindreds.

Three years ago, I was being invited to passover seders and listening to yiddish vulgarisms while making jokes about how ignorant so-called "neo nazis" must be.

One of my former jewish business partners is classically straight-blond haired and blue eyed. I'm about 1/4th Italian and 3/4ths English - so he looks more "Aryan" than I do. I remember, with horror now, laughing at his joke about how he was going to start a neo-nazi group, get the people he attracted all fired up, and then send them off to the showers to ritually "wash off the filth of the jews" - when, of course, poison gas would come out of the shower heads.

That was then. Now, most people would call ME a neo-Nazi. I am the exact person my former business partners most fear. Now I play a fundamental and crucial role in a number of important projects, and even joined the National Alliance under my real name because I feel so strongly about the urgency and importance of our cause.

Here is a case where I was a traitor - though a traitor through lack of knowledge. I was starting to have discomfort with my situation, but because I put more stock in reason than in my feelings - I did nothing about changing that situation until I had encountered specific knowledge that contradicted, with well documented proof, all of my prior premises.

Once I started to acquire that knowledge, though - my transformation was rapid and complete. It was so complete that I walked away from essentially lifetime financial security on the basis of principle alone.

I realize that my case isn't something like actually engaging in intercourse with a non-white, which is something I could never have brought myself to do. But it still illustrates a case of a well-intentioned person who did Evil - and that IS what i was doing - due to a lack of knowledge.

But it also shows what can happen once the ignorance is dispelled.

Since I was reformed, i believe that OTHERS can be reformed, though perhaps the phenomena is rare.

All I am saying is that we need to make room in our thinking for the possibility that others could reform too.

Let me tell you, while I am at it, who gets credit for reforming my attitudes, other than myself. The guy who runs The Last Stand and its subsequent sites. I had encountered one of his prior websites about women, written him some typical "anti" hate mail - and he challenged me with a list of books to read.

Well - I actually DID read those books.

Never assume that conversation with an anti, if done properly, is a waste.

About a year and a half ago, incidentally, I sent that fellow (I seem to recall his name as being MacLarin) a thank you note, because his patience and treating me like a rational and intelligent person - and his reading suggestions - quite literally changed my life.

I don't think antis should automatically be written off as beyond reform. You have to limit how much effort you invest so you aren't throwing your time down a sinkhole; but a reasoned response to an anti can change the world for the better.

Just an update - After everything that's happened, I've been in the process of taking a step back and looking at my life - where I'm going, where I've been, and where I want to go.

To the people saying I shouldn't just become a white nationalist because an asian girl cheated on me - you are right.

At the moment I'm just kind of lurking around, reading threads, and talking to friends about WN.

Before I started seeing the chinese girl I often worried about the diminishing white race, society going to hell due to multiculturalism, and the general screwing over of the white race by our own members.

These are things I tried to put at the back of my mind during the relationship, but the thoughts were still there.

My dads comment on her was - "son, go out with her sure, and have fun with her. But don't marry her, and don't get her pregnant, because it'll just end in tears." He often tells me how great Australia was under the white Australia policy.

Where to now? well, I'll just keep reading up, and think things through some more.

Nope. Originally from the Yellow River valley. The natives of Taiwan actually bear great resemblance to Amerindians of the Pacific Northwest. They even build totem poles which look almost exactly like those of some of the Northwest tribes.

The Hakka identify themselves as Northern Chinese, and this
contention has some basis in fact. Local genealogies and other historical
records indicated that many of the ancestors of the Hakka were people
originally from the Northern Plains who in a series of waves migrated deeper and deeper into the South. What remains to be explored, however, are the contributions made by local populations to the formation of the Hakka people, and how these differed from those that made up the Yue or the Min. For no matter what the ethnic origin of the Hakka, the group is linguistically Southern Chinese. The Hakka dialects are historically allied to the other Southern dialects around them. The have some unmistakably Northern features, but they are actually not much more like Mandarin than Cantonese is. The Hakka dialects were formed in the South--almost surely in northeastern Guangdong--and the present widespread distribution of their speakers is the result of large-scale migrations that took place out of Meixian during the Qing dynasty.

EDIT II: I really should qualify my statement about the indigenous Taiwanese and their "resemblance" to Amerinds of the Pacific Northwest. By this I mean in terms of their cultural artifacts -- the things they create -- and not a resemblance in phenotype.

Man you have to understand in i think the 1800s we were 38% of the world's population now we are only 8%. The white race is the most intelligent, beautiful, and strongest. We must get our own land free from all these nonwhites. They would love to see our glorious race destroyed,

For once I am in almost total agreement with the WN point of view, as stated by ST:-)

-There are cheaters and non-cheaters in all races. Using your personal grievance as the sole argument to join a WN organization (or anything else, for that matter; this is a universal principle!!!) is not a good or well thought-out plan.