tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post111572383120081462..comments2018-02-17T22:46:16.886-05:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: The Thin Portfolio of the Working Border TerrierPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-72334951116092011182015-10-19T23:59:14.433-04:002015-10-19T23:59:14.433-04:00I live in Harlem NYC and have two Borders. They ar...I live in Harlem NYC and have two Borders. They are as game as they come. The youngest is a nine month old bitch that grabbed a good sized rat as quick as lightening from the garbage on our nightly walk tonight. Where as i can understand and appreciate the concern for the destruction of the breed by the show ring, it is my experience that they take to hunting like a fish to water. They are thankfully not as popular as other terriers here in the US and that has proven to be a benefit to the breed. C.Duncan Sutherlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605998481715556620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-60602533631547565522015-05-25T17:30:35.978-04:002015-05-25T17:30:35.978-04:00I have some very good strains of working border te...I have some very good strains of working border terriers in Wales, with oxcroft and dandyhow lines. Borders are better workers than any other terrier as they have more brains and flush foxes out rather Thant rush in there and kill them, this is better because it creates more sport for the hunt and cuts out the work of digging, borders aren&#39;t son snappy as Jack Russell and are not phycopaths like pater dales they are smarter but still very keen, the uk kennel club have actually changed the breed specification reducing the height that a border terrier has to be, they can also kill foxes if necisary and are some of the best badger dogs there are.Frank Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08166853803810132844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-65851469299693524322014-12-16T17:46:50.262-05:002014-12-16T17:46:50.262-05:00I´ve had 2 bt since 2000 in Sweden. No exibition C...I´ve had 2 bt since 2000 in Sweden. No exibition Championships but in tracking, earthwork and agility. Have hunted practically with very good results fox, deer, moose and bear with my old boy. He won the Norwegian national Championship for earthdogs in 2004, was even better in 2006 but not trained for the Norwegian rules that year. Wants a real good bitchpup for practical work in agility, rescuing and hunting. Which breeders could provide me with that? I will retire soon fairly soon and would very much appreciate help in this.Earthdog allround hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367513397128338366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-48190543628289873502014-08-21T14:06:05.295-04:002014-08-21T14:06:05.295-04:00Well times have moved on and some comment is corre...Well times have moved on and some comment is correct, By comparison Borders were expensive, Jacks you couldn&#39;t give away. The Border can&#39;t be knocked for keen activity hard work and a damn side more brains than other terriers put together. The problem hunts had was controlling a bunch of numb hounds eager for whatever came out first. Borders being brown foxes being brown see my point? Dead hounds cost money to replace and that was the result on more than one occasion. The fact remains that the Borders life has changed by interfering people who know nothing of country life. And now they want our dogs to boot...hypocrites them all. border manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11353010975954426170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-14989173878626387992010-01-15T14:08:55.587-05:002010-01-15T14:08:55.587-05:00Tony, you need to dig if you are going to claim to...Tony, you need to dig if you are going to claim to raise working dogs. Digging is not drains and caged foxes, is it? No, not hardly!<br /><br />Tell you what -- you want to see a picture of a working border? Go buy David Harcombe&#39;s new book (order directly from him at &gt;&gt; http://www.terrierman.com/work-them-hard-harcombe.htm ) and he&#39;s got a nice picture in there of one of his dogs working badger -- an action shot taken underground by a photographer who must have balls of steel! David and I have both had working border terriers but neither of us have any illusion as to what direction the dog has gone or where it is today. <br /><br />If you have working borders (or any other kind of terrier), you do not have scraps of paper (signed by who and based on what?) -- you have shovels, locator collars, saws, nets, and (yes) loads of pictures. The digging world is not large and we know who is in it, and what they are doing. Working borders exist, but they are as rare as hen&#39;s teeth. There is a small effort to bring back the working border terrier, but most diggers do not think it can be done. For certain, it cannot be done unless people are willing to dig on their own dogs and dig for years. Dogs are not made on a dig or in a season. <br /><br />At this point, why would anyone mess with a Border? That is the real problem. Getting a worker out of worker is almost impossible, and the expense is a joke, especially when solid working Patterdales and Russells and Fells are to be had. This is a dog killed by the show ring and theorists. To this day, there is not one border terrier breed book with a picture of a fox in it -- not even Ronnie Irving&#39;s (the current Chair of the KC) and both his father and grandfather were big in borders so you would think he would have something. Of course there is nothing. How sad is that?<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-70338381419997683632010-01-15T13:05:42.898-05:002010-01-15T13:05:42.898-05:00The bitch in question spent several months with a ...The bitch in question spent several months with a gamekeeper in Gloucestershire and was trained, using drain pipes with a caged fox at the far end to enter.(For what it&#39;s worth I have a signed certificate from the Master to certify that she worked with the hunt).Anthony Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01699312528619276392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-66480166708663946042010-01-15T11:13:33.049-05:002010-01-15T11:13:33.049-05:00Tony we have met, and I have to say that you you a...Tony we have met, and I have to say that you you are entirely typical of &quot;the fancy&quot; in Border Terriers, and why the breed has gone straight into the ditch. You have never dug a fox in your life, even though you once claimed your dogs worked 100 fox in Ireland. No names, no pictures, and a suspiciously round number. Funny enough, I actually know quite a lot of people who dig in Ireland and Scotland, and they are not using Borders! Nameless faceless people without phones or cameras lost in the mist of time. Right. Heard it all before and written about it too -- see Fantasy Diggers on the www.terrierman.com web site. You might recognize yourself! See &gt;&gt; http://www.terrierman.com/fantasydiggers.htm<br /><br />The Duke of Beaufort hunt just happened to want to toss an untried terrier from unknown breeding in at a dig at a critical time with the hunt milling around for a bolt? What happened, did the terrierman&#39;s own dogs all drop dead that day? <br /><br />Here&#39;s a hint: No working terrier reads books written by show dog theorists, and no true working terrier breed &quot;just barks&quot; or &quot;just kills.&quot; Not quite that simple, LOL. <br /><br />Of course, the real problem with most Border Terriers is that the dogs are too big and tend to be owned by people who do not dig too much. Like you, they have NO IDEA what is needed in a working dog, and so these theorists are entirely incapable of preserving the Border Terrier (or any other breed) as a working breed of ANY kind. <br /><br />Next time you are in this country, you can come along for a dig and you can see what a working terrier does. I do not speak from theory but from knowledge gained at the hole with a fox in the ground. That&#39;s where the story of the Border Terriers should start -- but sadly, where it too often ends.<br /><br />PatrickPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-32887930254833829252010-01-15T08:19:25.722-05:002010-01-15T08:19:25.722-05:00Border Terriers are meant to go to ground to hold ...Border Terriers are meant to go to ground to hold the fox at bay, and bark to guide the huntsmen where to dig.They are not meant to kill the fox. One of my Border Terriers went to work with the Duke of Beaufort&#39;s Hunt. The first time she enteredwhen the huntmen had dug down to find the fox, all they found was a dead one. They were not amused. Subsequently she went to Ireland where she was used to help farmers with a fox problem, when it wasn&#39;tpossible to call out the hunt. She then had a very large number of kills to her name.When working with a hunt one wouldn&#39;t expect many photos of a Border Terrier with a dead fox. When working alone that is a different story. Some year ago the Scottish Border Terrier Club held a photographic exhibition. In the working section there were a large number of Border Terriers with their kill.Anthony Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01699312528619276392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-92102047185137770002008-04-05T07:04:00.000-04:002008-04-05T07:04:00.000-04:00very true,those old pics are what borders should l...very true,those old pics are what borders should look like, the show crowed have changed the appearance and character of the breed, and all for what, money and rossettes,thankfully there are afew and i mean afew that are only interested in working there borders, i would rather come home with mud and cuts after digging to my border than a rossett any day of the week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com