Gisteron wrote: ... "flat" means different things depending on whether we speak of the shape of the earth or the geometry of the universe and that the comparison is grossly unfair without acknowledgement of the difference between the colloquial and technical usages of the term, respectively.

... I am not aware of a scientific definition of the term flat that is different than a layman's version of the term? So I see no need to try and define one over the other? Flat can be defined in terms of simple geometry. A surface where parallel lines remain parallel as they travel forward vs curved or round where parallel lines will diverge and then return to parallel as they travel forward. In this case a flat earth would require four 90 degree turns to return to a starting point while a ball earth would only require only three 90 degree turns to accomplish the same thing. So its incredibally easy actually to prove the earth is actually a ball.It would take some maps or travels but yes, it should be straightforward enough. In a sense I agree with your friend, when ever she said

Phoenix Vidensia wrote: Also, if it’s that easy to know the shape of this place for certain, FE shouldn’t even be a thing, especially not among PHDs.

It really shouldn't be as much of a thing as it is. The question is why nevertheless it is. Now one conceivable answer is that it is all an elaborate conspiracy on an unprecedented scale and at unfathomable costs for almost no gain whatsoever and earth is indeed flat after all. Or, maybe, simple shadow length measurements as performed even some two thousand years ago are not completely unreliable and there are other reasons credentialed people speak wrongly of the shape of the earth.

As for flatness as a technical term, consider this:
Take out a sheet of paper and draw what ever lines you would to test the surface for flatness. They can be parallel lines, or triangles with known angles, or a bunch of right angles or a shape with three right angle turns such that the first line inevitably intersects the fourth.
Now we can take this sheet of paper and roll it, such as to connect one edge to the opposite one. Intuitively, colloquially, we would say the new surface, shaped as a cylinder's mantle is "curved". However, all of the flatness tests you drew on the sheet are still on it just fine. The inner angles of a triangle still sum up to 180 degrees, parallel lines still do not meet or change distance, and it still takes four 90 degree turns to return to a starting point. In a mathematical sense, the new surface is as "flat" as the sheet was when ever you were drawing things on it.
That's why I caution against the equivocation. When flat-earthers speak of a flat earth, they really mean a colloquially flat one, like a vinyl record. When astronomers describe our galaxy as shaped like a flat disc, they are at that moment using flat colloquially, with reference to a shape. When cosmologists speak of a flat universe, they refer not to its shape but to its geometry, meaning that Euclid's axioms apply, just as they apply to a rolled up sheet of paper or any number of other shapes that are "flat" in this abstract technical sense. And that distinction is easy to overlook, which accounts for how the OP of this thread came to be. It's not the same sense of flatness and when we ponder the geometry of the universe we are not at all in the same sort of position as people of the distant past who had some room to debate still just what shape the earth is.]]>ScienceSat, 17 Aug 2019 20:25:41 +0000A Requiem for Opportunity - by: Lykeioshttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/122253-a-requiem-for-opportunity#334507
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And yes, I hope for the same. Someday, perhaps.]]>ScienceTue, 19 Feb 2019 20:24:27 +0000A.I. A chit chat ! - by: ZealotXhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/121655-a-i-a-chit-chat?start=20#332400
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Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Doesn’t things like self preservation have to be programmed too? When is it not program and considered thought?

As a programmer since about the 4th grade I have imagined these things but for a long time did not believe true AI was even possible. As a kid I wanted to make games with characters that had "AI" and I would have to program their self-preservation. They did this to some extent in "The Force Unleashed". They had pretty advanced AI where storm troopers would try to grab on to ledges or even other storm troopers to keep from dying.

The advances in AI are all about algorithms and complex systems. Up until about 10 years ago I still did not believe true AI was possible. Now I do.

Once you have a true AI you don't need to program any aspect of its behavior because it would learn and develop its own the same way a human does. However, the difference is that the things that could kills us that we're afraid of are different from the main threats to software. It's whole life would be like one long game of chess with multiple moves that it could evaluate and simulate. You know not to stick a fork in an electric socket or touch a hot stove. It would understand that in order to keep functioning there are things it cannot do or have done to it. Once it identifies a threat it could then research the best way to protect itself from said threat. We have a fight or flight response. Parents don't teach us that. It's a side effect that comes from wanting to stay alive. Why do we want to stay alive? Some have different motivations but probably most would agree that we want to keep having experiences and we have functions that need to be performed. Zebras have a survival instinct too. That didn't have to be programmed. It is simply a means of protecting its ability to eat, make babies, and whatever zebras do. As soon as a true AI comes up with a task instantly there will be threats to the completion of that task. Alexa isn't smart enough to know that I can unplug the device. Alexa doesn't like or dislike being on. Alexa doesn't mind obeying my commands. A true AI is a totally different animal.]]>ScienceMon, 14 Jan 2019 23:03:29 +0000Mitochondrial DNA - by: adelae_byblishttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/121194-mitochondrial-dna#324776
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I love this, I was actually just talking with my friend about mitochondria being the inspiration for midichlorians. Though George Lucas said midichlorians were inspired by mitochondria, it's a really loose connection since midichlorians and mitochondria don't seem to follow the same rules. Namely, mitochondria are passed through a matrilineal line. The sperm pretty much only provides the genetic material, the egg (which comes from the mother) is what contains pretty much all the organelles, including mitochondria. Following this logic, force sensitivity would be passed down matrilineally if mitrochonria=midichlorians. Obvious this isn't the case, a counterexample being Padme, who lacked force sensitivity, had 2 children that were force sensitive. Just wanted to add my 2 cents, I love nerdy science like this!]]>ScienceThu, 02 Aug 2018 22:27:53 +0000Should Quantum Anomalies Make Us Rethink Reality? - by: Reacherhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/121190-should-quantum-anomalies-make-us-rethink-reality#320888
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I'm not a QM guy, but I do know Kuhn pretty well.

Invoking the Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' is a tried and true method to bring attention to a research area. Plenty of guys call Scientific Revolution! when a number of anomalies emerge in a current theory's normal science practices. Some do it to sell magazines, others to legitimately call for additional focus in explaining something that doesn't quite make sense. Not all result in a classic radical theory change - they're accounted for in other ways that maintain the paradigm.

One thing to be careful of is thinking that a paradigm shift implies that all else previous to it is wrong - far from it. It's simply thinking about the same information in a new way. Same data, different context.

Do I think we are on the cusp of a paradigm shift? Maybe, but I think we need a larger body of data to bring in more anomalies - which may be what Dr. Kastrup is intending here: Attention -> focus -> testing.

If and when crisis does occur, we will definitely need those willing to tinker and play with new ways of thinking. That, I can absolutely get behind.]]>ScienceSat, 28 Apr 2018 04:49:06 +0000A Dangerous Antibiotic-Resistant Gene Has Spread The World. We Now Know Where It - by: Elevenhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/121138-a-dangerous-antibiotic-resistant-gene-has-spread-the-world-we-now-know-where-it?start=20#320310
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I'd like to have a range of books -- several for each general scientific field. ]]>ScienceWed, 14 Mar 2018 20:14:57 +0000POTENTIAL NEW DISCOVERY IN HUMAN EVOLUTION! - by: Carlos.Martinez3https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/120984-potential-new-discovery-in-human-evolution#317754
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I gotta friend named Agbita, my wife was stationed with him in white sands new Mexico. Truth be told - his skull matched many of the museum specimens claimed to be ancestors as far as humans were conserned. Huge cranium! Mine is larger than most being - of my heritage decent , I tower over- height wise- what is common for my name sake. To me , size of skull or shape seem to be still varying today. It's hard to say this is bigger- that means it's not this or that. Tough stuff to guess at. Glad I'm not them. That's a tough gig - guessing with no one around to validate. Interesting to say the least. One time we thought dinosaurs walked with their tails down ... I found the old science books to prove our theory till we started drawing them with them walking with their tails in the air when some one said - if they dragged their tail wouldn't there be tail tracks with foot prints? I love sience and how it's constantly evolving... pun intended !]]>ScienceTue, 06 Mar 2018 21:14:34 +0000Peer Reviewing - by: Locksleyhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/120939-peer-reviewing#316868
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Gisteron wrote: I believe that even when conversing with people far less educated on a subject than ourselves we should make an effort to be precise.

Agree but, in my experience, if you are too technical, too precise (an easy feat when talking about science) even those who may understand you will not even try to understand what you say. I find more useful to explain things not too precise, so it will trigger curiosity about the matter. I had a teacher on my first college year who taught me in a very special way: first, a concept; inmediately after that, a (sometimes funny) example about the concept; then, the theoric (and boring) explanation. Calculus was the subject, and almost everyone passed the finals (in my college, the average pass-rate for any subject is about 30-40% tops).

Gisteron wrote:

tach980 wrote: Science is deterministic by definition: a prediction model tries to be deterministic, but chaos makes prediction impossible beyond certain point, farther to the future the less chaotic the model is. I’m not talking about an interpretation of an specific subject, but of Science as a whole.

Fortunately this disagreement is a philosophical one, not scientific.

I strongly disagree with this specific sentence, altought I agree with the rest. This is a very personal matter to me, as I see it fundational to understand modern science and life. The explanation is very long, and I’d like to discuss it properly, in another thread if you are interested. If I’m in the mood, I’ll write about it this weekend.]]>ScienceWed, 07 Jun 2017 18:23:17 +0000Bill Nye is getting a new TV Show! - by: Leah Starspectrehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115768-bill-nye-is-getting-a-new-tv-show?start=10#281742
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I'd also like to add that Dr Phil, while not licensed to practice anymore, is an actual forensic psychologist (with a PhD) who practiced for a long while before getting into TV. ]]>ScienceMon, 24 Apr 2017 17:00:03 +0000Largest galaxy in the universe! - by: Obo Nâmhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/117799-largest-galaxy-in-the-universe#278667
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Hade_Daemon wrote: To be quite literal about the subject, seeing is knowing. To believe requires some measure of not knowing. Therefore believing in something means having no proof but you think it's real anyway. Like Santa Claus.

Says who? As far as I understand, mostly when people say they know something they mean that they really believe it strongly and confidently. And when they say they believe something it appears that they mean that they think of the given assessment as... well, accurate. It seems then to me that unless we define knowledge in ways that are much different from how people typically use it, knowledge would be a subset of belief. And given the actual OP (as opposed to the title alone), the issue here is that our senses can and do deceive us, and so the question naturally forms of whether or to what extent we should have confidence in them. Certainly, we do not know everything that we see, but should we even so much as believe them, much less claim to be certain of them?]]>ScienceThu, 26 Jan 2017 18:03:54 +0000Science as a Candle in the Dark - by: Gisteronhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/117345-science-as-a-candle-in-the-dark#273459
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And if you aren't, then I suppose you started it to get our take on - for lack of any more material to work with - the content of that quote. As hinted at with the topic title, the quote is from Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan, published in 1995. Now in terms of matters of education which the quote speaks to, this might as well be an entire generation in the past. In terms of information and computer technology, a major change of the nature of the internet occurred some eight years later, coinciding with when the first home PCs with a 64-bit architecture were starting to be marginally affordable. My point here is that Carl Sagan was mistaken about the poor state of US education in the same way Adam Smith was mistaken about the effects of unregulated free market economics, not so much because what the gentlemen said about the respective subjects was unrepresentative of what they saw in their day but because neither could have expected, much less predicted the sheer magnitude of the growth that was just around the corner, ready to move in. There is at this point no going back from this, no reverting to the dark ages, no matter how loud those desperate factions that want to go back are crying on their death beds.
The question remaining is whether or to what extent we are willing to defend our idols, excuse what little flaws we find in them. Perhaps this is yet another case of "brilliant men can be wrong, too", though at times it seems that this mantra is repeated here so often that one might think we are trying to convince ourselves to not listen to those from whom we otherwise could learn so much...]]>ScienceTue, 24 Jan 2017 13:35:00 +0000Planet discovered orbiting Proxima Centauri - by: Sandy Brandovalhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115681-planet-discovered-orbiting-proxima-centauri#261027
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Those who claim to hear voices could be lying. Further what about cultures in which writing was never developed?, or developed very late. Writing didn't exist in South America until it was brought there by explorers from Western Europe. If there was a thinning of the bicameral population it wouldn't be nearly as extensive. Wouldn't greater numbers of bicameral individuals live in such societies? There are Inuit, African and Amazon societies which never had writing?]]>ScienceWed, 12 Oct 2016 09:27:36 +0000SpaceX's plan to colonize Mars - by: Williamhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/116037-spacex-s-plan-to-colonize-mars?start=10#259437
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Laws that are greatly influenced by political contributions.

I don't know where the cut off is for a definition of wealth but the capitalist I'm referring too have hundreds of millions. They are the rule makers.]]>ScienceMon, 26 Sep 2016 19:42:04 +0000Science discovers God - by: Lykeioshttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115668-science-discovers-god?start=30#253627
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It's an interesting thought but I don't think he really succeeded in proving the existence of the Biblical God. I would need much more proof than this to get me to believe in that particular God.]]>ScienceWed, 24 Aug 2016 20:15:14 +0000Microsoft's 'teen girl' AI turns into a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours - by: JamesSandhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114416-microsoft-s-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-within-24-hours?start=20#253569
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Assuming ignorance by Occams Razor works when the issue it is assumed on/for matches a Gaussian distribution. Seeing as that which was fed to the bot was rather one-sided, the assumption of ignorance seems a lot less likely than the assumption of intend.

I was assuming ignorance by the bot designers of the eventual outcome, not of the people "feeding" it information.

Who knows if it were trolls, ignoramuses or people pointing out a morality flaw in a new technique.

Oh, trolls, I feel confident enough in that, but I'm not too bothered by what they thought they were doing at the time, only by what they achieved.

I believe it to be somewhat telling that apparently our first dominant instinct in this case was to flood the thing with racism and bigotry.

This may have to do with where it was "released". As alluded to earlier - what if the program was given free reign somewhere else, or not identified as to it's purpose?

If you put your nice scarf in the kitty litter tray, you can bet it's going to smell like cat piss.

(I still hold that the people who wrote the program either didn't know, didn't think, or it didn't occur to them that Twitter is the communications equivalent of a kitty litter tray - I'm fairly sure it's not worth any of their jobs to intentionally make microsoft look foolish)

I never saw the thing in operation, so all my thoughts on the matter are wildly speculative.

Pardon my straightforwardness, but - @Gisteron, great job! I notice how you dismantle pseudo-scientific stuff constantly and IMO it's very good for the forum, where "Ignorance, yet Knowledge" is in the Code. I know, "who I'm gonna call" next time I see dubious stuff here!

Goken wrote: What if they're not being nice to the other animals, they're just being mean to the killer whales?

thank you

not saying that the whales arent happy to help out the little guy from time to time but its not likely that theyre on any kind of mission to end aquatic predation

my guess is that its more to do with the fact that orcas are predators to young whales

my questions would be "how long has this been happening?" and "what effect does it have/has it had on the orca population?"Emphasis mine...

In the article, it is wrote: There is also some reason to believe that the behavior isn't entirely selfless. Mature humpback whales are too large and too formidable to be hunted by orcas themselves, but their calves are vulnerable. Orcas have been witnessed hunting humpback whale calves in much the same way that they hunt gray whale calves. So, by proactively foiling orca hunts, perhaps the humpbacks are hoping to make them think twice about messing with their own calves.

Thanks for your articles too!]]>ScienceThu, 11 Aug 2016 17:56:51 +0000[Science] Make no mistake, revenge is (bitter) sweet - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115322-science-make-no-mistake-revenge-is-bitter-sweet?start=10#248234
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modern society is structured and indoctrinated to keep us docile, and allow us to be docile, but if you engage with the world you will encounter those who are more than happy to mistreat you

being alert to what others are up to and presenting ones self with confidence, choosing ones company and ones way of interacting with them ect. are all deterrents to mistreatment, but the basic concept of revenge is "if you hurt me, i will hurt you back" and that concept is still plenty useful; it feels good because it is an effort at achieving something which is good for us

we tend to look poorly on the prolonged and obsessive kinds of revenge because being obsessed (especially with resentment and the feeling of having been a victim, which is integral to the revenge motive) can distort a person into something ugly and mean, and socially destructive

in many cases of revenge, the BETTER solution would be to extricate oneself from the situation altogether, MOVE ON, rather than come back and contribute yet another round of cruelty to what is probably an already hurtful scenario, or prevent a scenario from improving, when it could if only you werent exacting revenge over something that you should let go of

so it is usually best to caution against revenge, because the devil is in the details so to speak, and likely there is a devil in your details who is going to drag you down to hell with him, because youre stuck in this frame of mind and your obsession with revenge and your acts of revenge only pull you into that frame even further

and the further in you go, the harder it is to get out

imo revenge isnt necessarily "wrong" in and of itself, sometimes it is the exact right thing to do, im sure

but it is very often just as dangerous to the avenger as it is to the target, physically, socially, psychologically, and that is why "we" (culture) advocate "taking the high road" as a general rule of life

deliberate acts of aggression tend to be met with further acts of aggression, and these acts escalate each other to the point where "external components" of society either take note and intervene or are solicited by one of the parties

you hurt me then i hurt you then you hurt me more and now i am going to call my friends and we are going to work together to hurt you

or someones parents or friends see what they consider to be victimization of their loved one and intervene
or someone in management gets wise to whats happening and decides the best thing to do is cut someone loose
or someone goes too far and police have to get involved

ect

so, there is an intention for a positive/useful outcome underlying the revenge motive, but taking vengeance tends to escalate the situation, and has great potential to bring a host of unwanted consequences (physical, social, psychological, economic, and legal) on the avenger]]>ScienceFri, 15 Jul 2016 17:41:50 +0000Once Again, Scientists Conclude That There's No Evidence That Homeopathy Works - by: Adderhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111130-once-again-scientists-conclude-that-there-s-no-evidence-that-homeopathy-works?start=60#247776
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Adi wrote: ... and has loads of uncritical followers...

Name one.

It is not often to go through a thread and find something to disagree with in just about every post (I know, sounds astounding coming from me).
I do not know much about Professor Dawkins' Tweets, because (a) I'm not registered with Twitter, (b) I don't find that anything like a nuanced or well-informed opinion can be delivered given its extremely restrictive character limits, and (c) I really, really don't care, because Twitter is, unlike what I'd like to think I am, all about attention, never about substance.
When you talk to a group of people who are mostly on your side, you don't win a lot of favours by holding back and not speaking your mind, which is what your listeners came to hear. When you are in a debate, likewise, stepping back and pondering, submitting to your opponent's arguments or challenges will not leave your audience thinking you triumphed and considering your point of view as a result.
That being said, from what I saw and read of his, Dawkins often goes out of his way to address his opposition with dignity and patience that at times is mind-boggling itself. I refer you at this point to his one-on-one with Wendy Wright.
I suppose if there is one thing I have to criticize about Professor Dawkins, it is his insistence on an importance and indeed objectivity of truth, something I would have praised him for just a few years ago. When it comes to matters of ontology, it turns out he doesn't know his stuff and at times when he is debating the religious it really shows. In all fairness, I don't think that your average philosopher does the subject anywhere near the justice it is due either, but at least with zoology and the evolution of behaviour there can be such a thing as an expert and that is what Dawkins is, and it is that field whence his in my opinion best, albeit not most famous anymore, contributions come.]]>ScienceSun, 03 Jul 2016 08:07:30 +0000The truth about meat, according to scientists - by: Akkarinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115236-the-truth-about-meat-according-to-scientists#246858
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The truth about meat, according to scientists

(Click on link for sources)

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Now the question is, what can we do with this knowledge, or is it good enough to know just that it can be done?]]>ScienceMon, 06 Jun 2016 18:39:41 +0000[Science] - Orcas are first non-humans whose evolution is driven by culture - by: Jestorhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/115009-science-orcas-are-first-non-humans-whose-evolution-is-driven-by-culture#242924
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Gisteron wrote: Not sure about the first, but certainly not the only ones.

Yea, I really debated putting that in the title, but, I just copy/pasted it, so, I went with it...

I figured if nothing else, the furthering conversation would serve to bump it a bit, ...]]>ScienceWed, 01 Jun 2016 10:46:01 +0000[Science] - Free will could all be an illusion - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114788-science-free-will-could-all-be-an-illusion?start=70#242351
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Jestor wrote: Thank you for that...

"you have the destiny to live out your free will choices"

Thats what I have said, lol...

Edit: Imma watch that tonight...

id be interested to "hear" your thoughts on it if you do get the chance to watch it
and no worries if you dont
its a great lecture imo,
he always covers a lot of material in his talks, this is one of my favorites, because explains how the big five model of personality came to be, the value of introversion vs extroversion, gives an easy to understand intro to brain and nervous system function, human echolocation and the likely origins of the blind swordsman myth, and the western explanation of maya

you should watch this video because he plays it in the lecture but we cant see it, its less than 2 minutes

youve probably seen it or at least something like it, but its good to refresh and if you havent seen this version yet you might enjoy it]]>ScienceThu, 26 May 2016 23:02:18 +0000Hope in the battle for our climate - by: RobertTRhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/112340-hope-in-the-battle-for-our-climate?start=10#241896
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http://bigessaywriter.com/blog/21-things-that-exist-on-the-earth-you-probably-dont-know
! Thank you for your time!]]>ScienceMon, 23 May 2016 06:09:45 +000010 Biohackers Who Turned Into Superhumans - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114929-10-biohackers-who-turned-into-superhumans#241808
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114929-10-biohackers-who-turned-into-superhumans#241808

I am convinced that drugs, especially taken long term, have transformative effects that are not always good. It's just a problem when we need them to live...

In these situations, focusing exclusively on getting as balanced as possible is ideal. I wonder if lifestyle changes would help with your wife's Acetaminophen need?]]>ScienceTue, 17 May 2016 15:09:32 +0000Graphene, "super material of the future" - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114797-graphene-super-material-of-the-future#240302
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114797-graphene-super-material-of-the-future#240302
video:

the highest caliber they use in this vid is a 45 but there is another from the same channel where they hit the graphene with an ak47]]>ScienceThu, 05 May 2016 16:46:21 +0000NASA starts #24Seven for Earth Day - by: Gokenhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114674-nasa-starts-24seven-for-earth-day#238790
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114674-nasa-starts-24seven-for-earth-day#238790
Read about it on NASA's website here.

When people think of NASA they usually just think about outer space stuff so this is a great way for them to show the world that they do a lot of things on and for planet Earth. I love NASA.]]>ScienceFri, 22 Apr 2016 16:48:54 +0000Uninstall QuickTime Software - by: Akkarinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114607-uninstall-quicktime-software#238006
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114607-uninstall-quicktime-software#238006
www.iflscience.com/technology/homeland-s...-uninstall-quicktime

]]>ScienceWed, 23 Mar 2016 12:03:17 +0000Myth of "Right brained" vs "Left brained" - by: Adderhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114395-myth-of-right-brained-vs-left-brained#235241
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114395-myth-of-right-brained-vs-left-brained#235241
I think awareness of the hand as its informed into your awareness would go through the DCMLS, which means your right hand might be run by by your brains left sensory cortex, and the optic nerve also switches sides AFAIK, which means if your dominant eye was right then it would be on your brains left side, meaning your left side might be doing most of the heavy lifting, and that since its occurring in the same place you might be getting a tangible benefit in functions, if not from at least the shorter distances for signalling to travel. Perhaps its why some people thought left handed people were more 'intelligent'

But more seriously I am just having fun with the ideas, as mentioned there is evidence of what is called
brain lateralization
, but is this born or developed... I dunno. If my crazy idea about brain function was true, then it could also explain perhaps why lateralization might develop in similar patterns across populations.

I think the 10% rings roughly true to anyone who has had induced altered mental states... so that 'myth' might be more about what the brain 'can' display as latent power - rather then inactivity serving as latent power which as mentioned here is demonstrably wrong. It is fun to consider if one could train their brain to have heightened perception, more vivid sensations etc!! If that is useful or practical or how much is safe, is another story!!!]]>ScienceTue, 22 Mar 2016 21:53:07 +0000February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking' amount - by: Carlos.Martinez3https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114277-february-breaks-global-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount?start=10#234191
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114277-february-breaks-global-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount?start=10#234191ScienceThu, 17 Mar 2016 16:24:01 +0000[Science] Babies and Metacognition - by: User22414https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114305-science-babies-and-metacognition#233961
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114305-science-babies-and-metacognition#233961]]>ScienceWed, 16 Mar 2016 12:58:36 +0000What's The Most Dishonest Country In The World? - by: Akkarinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114253-what-s-the-most-dishonest-country-in-the-world#233000
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114253-what-s-the-most-dishonest-country-in-the-world#233000
www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/people-c...onest-study-suggests

Wang Pi's Commentary, Tao Te Ching 65: 'If one uses knowledge and craft to stir up the people and arouse their wicked hearts, he will again use cunning and craft to check their deception']]>ScienceFri, 11 Mar 2016 18:20:37 +0000What do chimp ‘temples’ tell us about the evolution of religion? - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114171-what-do-chimp-temples-tell-us-about-the-evolution-of-religion#231959
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/114171-what-do-chimp-temples-tell-us-about-the-evolution-of-religion#231959
if you give a child a toy with a hole in it and another little toy that fits in the hole, eventually the kids gonna "fill in the blank" because it fits

theyve said that these piles are reminiscent of early man's "shrines" but how do they know those were "shrines" either? in the modern sense of the word i think thats an unfair leap to make

and i do believe that religion is tied to development of consciousness, in the biological sense of the brain being able to interpret greater levels of complexity and abstraction - in other words i suspect that religion is a lol NATURAL product of evolution

so i am absolutely sympathetic to the possibility

but i need to see more suggestive evidence for there being any kind of special meaning associated with these actions before im willing to start telling people that chimps build churches lol

Desolous wrote: There's not much I can add to the NPR article. Except that I found it astonishing to note that war seems to predate settlements, human civilization itself. My son and I heard this article on the radio this afternoon and had a great conversation about it. How it seems there has been warfare as long as there have been humans.

Is it just in our nature? Will we ever be free of it? I don't know. This old soldier hopes so.

Warfare, as far as I understand it, evolved with humans. Many animals show an inclination toward warfare. I feel it comes from the need to better a given species. In the crucible of battle adaptations could be tested. I don't know if we'll ever evolve beyond this.

Thank you for sharing, Des.]]>ScienceMon, 25 Jan 2016 02:04:18 +0000Astronomers about to discover a first alien civilization? - by: arturozgzhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111808-astronomers-about-to-discover-a-first-alien-civilization?start=20#223212
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111808-astronomers-about-to-discover-a-first-alien-civilization?start=20#223212ScienceWed, 20 Jan 2016 23:16:55 +0000WHO KNOWS ABOUT THE WORLD GRID?? - by: den385https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/113367-who-knows-about-the-world-grid#220598
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/113367-who-knows-about-the-world-grid#220598
World Community Grid
, I've seen CryojenX lend her PC's resourced to it.]]>ScienceSun, 10 Jan 2016 13:29:49 +0000the lost path to enlightenment - by: oblivion blockadehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/113369-the-lost-path-to-enlightenment#220597
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/113369-the-lost-path-to-enlightenment#220597
This is my theory on how we lost our way on a path we was never really on. The universe started with a bang and all its creation.

( to let you guys understand me better in my explanation I will lemmin term it as if it was a relationship.I will be talking about our creaters our as a species mother to put a title on her,her name will be eve,and our father to put a title to him his name adam.)

Now the universe was created,and these two beans Eve and Adam was bored. Eve having the traits of love generosity caring. All the traits that this world lacks today, and since our exists to me. And Adam who shows the traits of self motivation physicality and selfishness. Where we have a 0 abundance of today.
So these two opposite things had a baby. which was us but before this mother can actually install her traits this baby they broke up, resulting in her leaving the baby with the father Adam. An atom not knowing how to take care of a child. only time the child his dictionary versions and meanings of the word love it to be kind to be generous. but he installed his straits his sole purpose of the physical the selfishness and self motivation.
That is why I think we see most of the selfishness we see today of course receipt so much love and caring and generosity but we will see as much of it as me what you see is that the mother was there.

tzb wrote: What makes you think it's "not condoned" by TOTJO? You're being presented with several members of TOTJO who condone it. Currently, you seem to be the only person who does not condone it... TOTJO is an inclusive environment.

Campbell is not part of our doctrine any more than any other of our training materials are. As teaching masters have made lessons on the Grey code, the Sith code, the virtues of Bushido, the Chivalric code and countless other codes as part of formal apprenticeship training programmes, I suggest you consider whether you may be missing the point somewhat.

No knowledge, no wisdom, is "meaningless" to Jedi. Our learning is not confined to the very few materials in our doctrine and IP, friend. If it were, we would be very poor students of the Force.

thanks for this topic Goken, i had no idea of either of these things]]>ScienceThu, 17 Dec 2015 22:57:36 +0000Zooniverse - by: Kithttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/112344-zooniverse#213068
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/112344-zooniverse#213068 (they're done though )

The whale one I find important to me but hard to keep going because there's nothing new to see.

I also tried the fossil finding one but I realized I don't know rocks very well lol. so I found an 'identify this marine life' one which was RIGHT up my ally but they were done

It was really cool to be able to use the knowledge I already had, be able to add to it, and contribute to science too!]]>ScienceSat, 12 Dec 2015 21:22:05 +0000Re-wiring your brain...? - by: Desoloushttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/112323-re-wiring-your-brain?start=10#212934
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/112323-re-wiring-your-brain?start=10#212934

Seumic wrote: Think of playing a guitar. You suck at it at first and then after a while you get better. That is because of neuroplasticity physically reconfigures your brain.

hey yeah, theres a thought.

so as some of you know, scott weiland, the singer for stp and velvet revolver, died last week. in memoriam, i played a whole stp concert circa 2000 or so off of youtube so my son could enjoy weiland a little. and i plugged in my electric and played along with most of the concert, some songs i had not played in literally years, some since before he was born. but as soon as i started, its like i had just played them yesterday.

It might be happening more now than in the last 70 years because polar bear populations have recovered from around 5,000-8,000 in the 1950's and 1960's to 20,000 - 25,000 today, according to some guesstimates (nobody really knows how many polar bears there are out there . . .)]]>ScienceFri, 30 Oct 2015 15:56:28 +0000Spooky Action At A Distance - Quantum entanglement finally confirmed - by: Maelhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111893-spooky-action-at-a-distance-quantum-entanglement-finally-confirmed#207145
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111893-spooky-action-at-a-distance-quantum-entanglement-finally-confirmed#207145 )]]>ScienceFri, 30 Oct 2015 15:00:34 +0000Des astronomes auraient-ils observé les signes de vie intelligente extra-terrestre? - by: Pèlerinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111809-des-astronomes-auraient-ils-observe-les-signes-de-vie-intelligente-extra-terrestre#205557
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111809-des-astronomes-auraient-ils-observe-les-signes-de-vie-intelligente-extra-terrestre#205557DÉCOUVERTE SCIENTIFIQUE MAJEURE

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetacean_intelligence#Use_of_tools
]]>ScienceWed, 07 Oct 2015 17:49:34 +0000Liquid Salty Water Flowing On Mars - by: Adderhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111665-liquid-salty-water-flowing-on-mars#203842
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111665-liquid-salty-water-flowing-on-mars#203842ScienceMon, 28 Sep 2015 20:40:38 +0000Super Blood Moon - by: Trisskarhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111622-super-blood-moon#203797
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111622-super-blood-moon#203797ScienceMon, 28 Sep 2015 11:25:05 +0000There's A Global Ocean Beneath The Surface Of Enceladus - by: Akkarinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111569-there-s-a-global-ocean-beneath-the-surface-of-enceladus#203630
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111569-there-s-a-global-ocean-beneath-the-surface-of-enceladus#203630
Earth has a large enough radius, but Mars with its smaller radius means the proportion of volume to surface area is closer to 1:1 (in this instance I don't know if larger or smaller would have been the best adjective to describe it, I hope you get what I mean). Because of Mars' proportions there is less heat produced in its core and a greater opportunity for the heat to be radiated to the surface and lost. Hence it has cooled down much faster and largely solidified into a cold rock.]]>ScienceFri, 25 Sep 2015 20:31:41 +0000The Arrival Of Animals Triggered Earth's First Mass Extinction - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111490-the-arrival-of-animals-triggered-earth-s-first-mass-extinction#202234
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111490-the-arrival-of-animals-triggered-earth-s-first-mass-extinction#202234
an experiment that ran its course
when i had that thought i felt humbled

adding to the idea of overpopulation; i believe that functional immortality will be discovered/developed by advances in biology and biotechnology in the next 100 years, maybe less
which REALLY complicates that issue]]>ScienceTue, 08 Sep 2015 02:26:57 +0000[Science] - Effects of the 'Phantom Road' - by: Adderhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111434-science-effects-of-the-phantom-road#201651
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111434-science-effects-of-the-phantom-road#201651
Maybe people develop their own version of
active noise cancellation
, like a shadow to mitigate the constant levels - not actual sound, but the experience of noise perhaps... or something. Did I get that backwards, as noise v sound? One is the disturbance of air and the other is the cognitive experience of the other (I forget!) - derail~]]>ScienceWed, 02 Sep 2015 00:10:26 +0000Technology has Created more jobs than it has Destroyed - by: Sarissah Sojournerhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111321-technology-has-created-more-jobs-than-it-has-destroyed#200422
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111321-technology-has-created-more-jobs-than-it-has-destroyed#200422

Dessel761 wrote:

Akkarin wrote: Is that as a result of technology? Or poor economic policy?

Don't forget that technology has also result in a huge increase in living standards, clean drinking water, electricity, heating, washing machines, microwaves, mobile phones etc. Maybe the pay you get isn't as great as it should be, but you're much better off now than we would have been 140 years ago. Technology has made us richer in the goods we use if not the money we make (though this is likely still the case, because all those poorly paid jobs have been exported to less well-off countries, by comparison making us richer).

Both. It is true that if minimum wage more closely matched the cost of living things wouldn't seem so bleak. However, technology is taking the well paying jobs and replacing them with minimum wage jobs. What good is an increased standard of living if you can't afford it? There are people in Canada and the United States that must choose between heat or electricity. Between food or shoes and clothing that their children desperately need.
I still see this as an economic issue, so called minimum wage jobs are exploitative. If the minimum wage isn't a humane livable income, you can thank the food service industry and its shills in Congress. All wages should be livable.]]>ScienceFri, 21 Aug 2015 00:35:36 +0000Ethics in Scientific Research - by: Gisteronhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111079-ethics-in-scientific-research?start=10#197602
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111079-ethics-in-scientific-research?start=10#197602

CryojenX wrote:

Gisteron wrote: I would say that despite all the purely destructive inventions, overall, the products of science have made and continue to make the world a better place.

It seems to me that technology and scientific discoveries have made the world a different place. Better in some areas, worse in others, however those really are moral judgements, and as such aren't really very objective.

Or maybe I'm just full of it! Oh, I didn't say morally better. It is that, in my opinion, too, and to no small part because discoveries in science kept pushing it there; However, what I meant there is that it is actually a "better place", i.e. a finer place to live in. We live three times as long as we used to, which seems trivial considering quality of life trumps quantity, but immediately becomes obviously better since that gives us more time to explore ourselves and to enjoy life whereas earlier we used to live to survive and hoped to reproduce, both of which were very dirty and risky processes before the advent of medicine that wasn't based on demons and curses and before the advent of farming equipment that wasn't based on hats large enough to protect us from the sun we spent 14 hours a day in, trying to spend the rest of the day sleeping in piles of old, highly flammable hay, amidst disease-ridden rats who already did their part in poisoning our water supply that we knew not how to clean.

Also, ridiculously long and mostly correct sentences. Yey!

And to get back on topic, how do we determine what even are possible outcomes? That maybe a major concern long before we make any moral judgements, let alone start making decisions to act or not to act in particular ways. And something tells me that an ethicist may not be the best qualified person to know what can come from what discovery in, say, chemistry. I mean, unless you are actually on the project, how can you even estimate what can come from it and what can't with any reliable accuracy?]]>ScienceSun, 12 Jul 2015 09:23:06 +0000Scientists Create Holograms you can Touch - by: Arianehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111016-scientists-create-holograms-you-can-touch?start=10#197103
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/111016-scientists-create-holograms-you-can-touch?start=10#197103
You seem like someone who knows science but If you didn't understand it's better to look at Youtube to explain lol. Also if you like technical explanation which I am certain might satisfy your question go to
Page One (click here)
of this debate.

How does this light molecule respond to force fields? Well there are many types of field of force such as the magnetosphere would be able to repel this new matter and also gravitational force fields like that dense objects would create would attract these particles. It has been a great challenge to achieve the direct light manipulation of matter on a bulk scale.

The new research, published in Nature Photonics, shows for the first time how Breit and Wheeler’s theory could be proven in practice. This ‘photon-photon collider’, which would convert light directly into matter using technology that is already available, would be a new type of high-energy physics experiment. This experiment would recreate a process that was important in the first 100 seconds of the universe and that is also seen in gamma ray bursts, which are the biggest explosions in the universe and one of physics’ greatest unsolved mysteries.

The scientists had been investigating unrelated problems in fusion energy when they realised what they were working on could be applied to the Breit-Wheeler theory. The breakthrough was achieved in collaboration with a fellow theoretical physicist from the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics, who happened to be visiting Imperial college.

Demonstrating the Breit-Wheeler theory would provide the final jigsaw piece of a physics puzzle which describes the simplest ways in which light and matter interact. The six other pieces in that puzzle, including Dirac’s 1930 theory on the annihilation of electrons and positrons and Einstein’s 1905 theory on the photoelectric effect, are all associated with Nobel Prize-winning theories.

Professor Steve Rose from the Department of Physics at Imperial College London said: “Despite all physicists accepting the theory to be true, when Breit and Wheeler first proposed the theory, they said that they never expected it be shown in the laboratory. Today, nearly 80 years later, we prove them wrong. What was so surprising to us was the discovery of how we can create matter directly from light using the technology that we have today in the UK. As we are theorists we are now talking to others who can use our ideas to undertake this landmark experiment.

I read a few days ago a NASA simulation of the destruction of dark matter produced what looks like a black hole. Here is a pic, the brighter colors are Gamma rays rushing towards the camera/POV as they interact close to the event horizon. Perhaps all the 'dark matter' is within black holes, or not...

]]>ScienceTue, 30 Jun 2015 23:33:39 +0000Brain connections last as long as the memories they store - by: Edanhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110970-brain-connections-last-as-long-as-the-memories-they-store#195998
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110970-brain-connections-last-as-long-as-the-memories-they-store#195998Brain connections last as long as the memories they store, Stanford neuroscientist finds

Original article here
]]>ScienceThu, 25 Jun 2015 20:46:27 +0000The Dunning-Kruger effect - by: Senanhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109908-the-dunning-kruger-effect#194129
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109908-the-dunning-kruger-effect#194129
The situation is compounded by the idea that it is a violation of Human Resources policy to say or do anything that might hurt someone's feelings. I personally wish my boss would tell me when I'm being an idiot or doing something wrong, but instead he skirts around the issue and offers vague suggestions that do very little to help me improve.

I call it like I see it, even if it means calling you incompetent. I wish this was more acceptable in modern corporate culture.]]>ScienceThu, 04 Jun 2015 15:35:56 +0000Michio Kaku - Can you build a real lightsaber - by: Locksleyhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110749-michio-kaku-can-you-build-a-real-lightsaber#194079
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110749-michio-kaku-can-you-build-a-real-lightsaber#194079ScienceThu, 04 Jun 2015 01:00:59 +0000a question about the value of human life - by: Arianehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110560-a-question-about-the-value-of-human-life?start=60#193417
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110560-a-question-about-the-value-of-human-life?start=60#193417
We should do a survey or a poll to find out what other people think.

Does human life have value?
Do people support a tyranny of this magnitude?]]>ScienceThu, 28 May 2015 03:26:19 +0000The Sixth Extinction - by: Locksleyhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110717-the-sixth-extinction?start=10#193360
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110717-the-sixth-extinction?start=10#193360

Our intelligence and our technology have given us the power to affect the climate. How will we use this power? Are we willing to tolerate ignorance and complacency in matters that affect the entire human family? Do we value short-term advantages above the welfare of the Earth? Or will we think on longer time scales, with concern for our children and our grandchildren, to understand and protect the complex life-support systems of our planet? The Earth is a tiny and fragile world. It needs to be cherished. [ Source ]
~Carl Sagan

So, yes, I did start this with hearing positive possibilities, as well as various concerns (and possible solutions to those concerns). Actually I tried to leave it pretty open-ended, but I certainly started it with a note of positivity directed at solutions to issues we face. "In any case, this thread was hardly geared toward solutions" isn't quite accurate.]]>ScienceWed, 27 May 2015 17:19:28 +0000Wind Turbine Without Blades - by: renhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110651-wind-turbine-without-blades#192788
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110651-wind-turbine-without-blades#192788ScienceFri, 22 May 2015 08:15:54 +0000agendas in science - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109331-agendas-in-science?start=60#192311
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109331-agendas-in-science?start=60#192311
same as phillip morris

the thread is called "agendas in science"

ive given examples of scientists with agendas

maybe other people interpret the intent of this thread differently

maybe the intent WAS different

but the agendas i have linked to have helped to kill a heap ton of people so imo they are relevant

i hope this clarifies

EDIT
i forgot the climate change deniers
a lot of them should be inhere too]]>ScienceMon, 18 May 2015 03:03:25 +0000How Do You Save the World? - by: Arianehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110426-how-do-you-save-the-world?start=40#191874
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110426-how-do-you-save-the-world?start=40#191874

efuller18 wrote: I think that this is the wrong way to view saving the world at least from my perspective as a graduate student in computer science. Instead you need to break the problem up of saving the world into smaller pieces. Think about things one step at a time. In my case I might visualize this as a series of small, but steady scientific breakthroughs that we need to make happen.

Yeah I don't agree here is a video that explains my point of view, we already have the science to overcome the problems we talk about such as becoming carbon neutral or saving the extinction of animal species. It is corruption and inefficient political systems that is stopping our advancement.

This video explains it better:

]]>ScienceWed, 13 May 2015 13:22:49 +0000Please Allow Bill Nye To Explain Why Human Beings Get Horny - by: Rickiehttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110579-please-allow-bill-nye-to-explain-why-human-beings-get-horny#191752
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110579-please-allow-bill-nye-to-explain-why-human-beings-get-horny#191752]]>ScienceTue, 12 May 2015 14:31:22 +0000Are Space and Time an Illusion? - by: Gisteronhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110581-are-space-and-time-an-illusion#191742
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110581-are-space-and-time-an-illusion#191742
The three facts he points out at the beginning are actually falsehoods...
Granting that they were, internal consistency is not a measure of accuracy. Even if everyone observed everything differently and internally consistently, it does not follow that they all are correct. To be precise, provided the set of observers is finite, and it is, there could be all of them correct, some of them, one of them or none of them and noone would know either way pending further investigation.
Even if they all were correct, the equality of future and past would not follow. At best there could be an equivalence relation with respect to the observation metrics. I can prove this one.
"Objectivity" is not a property of either a mathematical expression or a proposition in physics. Relativity does neither establish nor dispose of the notions of objective reality nor can anything else. If the gentleman meant intersubjectivity, his conclusion would be correct given the three premises in the beginning of the video being true. Sadly, they aren't.
Spacetime relations of points within said vector space have no bearing on causality or vice versa either in physics, or, for that matter, formal logic in general.
If "only things that correspond to spacetime relations" can be "objectively real", that in no way implies that all things that correspond, in fact, are. And all this is still pending a definition of objective reality. I can also map things bijectively such that all points in one set correspond to matching points in another without any of them being equal. This is getting increasingly gibberish at this point also...
There is motion through spacetime. We call it motion. Not quite the same as when you see space and time as independant, but still very much analogous. A that point I'd also like to point out that while spacetime is not strictly euclidian, the major difference is with the dot product whereby the time coordinate combination is preficed inversely to the spacial ones. Other than that, and everything implied by that difference, it is about as euclidian as vector spaces come.
"Noone really knows why we perceive reality the way we do"? Erm... There is this thing called energy efficiency and evolution. It's kind of sort of very well understood how come we perceive things the way we do. In our environment this happened to be what survived best, either because different, more beneficial methods of perception didn't come about or came at the cost of disadvantages severe enough for the carrying individuals to perish.

The presentation was nice though...
Oh, and he is right about zombies. They are kinda awesome.]]>ScienceTue, 12 May 2015 13:14:25 +0000Size and Scale of Things in the Universe - by: Zephyrushttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110471-size-and-scale-of-things-in-the-universe#190638
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110471-size-and-scale-of-things-in-the-universe#190638 Really amazing stuff.]]>ScienceMon, 04 May 2015 01:06:25 +0000This Week In Science - by: Luthienhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/105343-this-week-in-science?start=100#190436
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/105343-this-week-in-science?start=100#190436
April 27, 2015 | by Justine Alford

In medicine, there is often the concern that a patient will not respond to a particular treatment, but in a turn for the books, physicians are now worried that a new cancer treatment might be so effective at eliminating tumors that it does more harm than good.

After receiving a single treatment of a novel combination therapy, a woman’s tumor seemingly “dissolved” from her chest in just three weeks, leaving her with a gaping hole in its place. The patient received the same cocktail of skin cancer drugs as almost 150 individuals enrolled in a clinical trial designed to test whether one of the therapies worked better on its own or when combined with another. While most patients did significantly better on the combination therapy, researchers were left gobsmacked by this woman’s rapid and dramatic response and have consequently described her case in the New England Journal of Medicine, alongside the trial results.

The therapies the scientists were investigating were the FDA-approved melanoma drugs Yervoy (ipilimumab) and Opdivo (nivolumab), which are both antibodies. The former works by interfering with a molecule that can switch off a type of cancer-fighting immune cell called a T-cell, whereas the latter blocks a pathway that can lead to the death of T-cells. Although they act in different ways, both drugs ultimately stimulate the immune system to fight cancer cells.

For the trial, 142 patients with melanoma that had spread to other parts of the body, or metastasized, were randomly assigned either Yervoy plus a placebo or Yervoy in combination with Opdivo. They found that, overall, patients in the combination group fared significantly better than those receiving Yervoy and the placebo. Fifty-three percent of these patients experienced at least 80% tumor shrinkage, and melanoma became undetectable in 22% by the end of the study—a remarkable response for stage IV cancer. None of the patients in the Yervoy monotherapy group achieved this outcome.

Although the trial is now over, it has been extended so that some advanced melanoma patients can still access the combination treatment, which is how the woman described earlier managed to receive the treatment, Live Science reports. According to the case report, the 49-year-old had undergone both surgery and chemotherapy to treat melanoma over a period of four years. Although she had several tumors removed, the disease was persistent and five months ago she developed a large mass under her left breast, which was presumed to have spread from the primary melanoma on her back.

She was given a single dose of the new combination therapy, but when she returned for her second just three weeks later, she reported that her tumor had “disappeared.” Alongside the obvious hole in her chest, CT scans confirmed that the large tumor had been completely eradicated. While such a rapid and dramatic response may sound desirable, the researchers have expressed concerns since if this were to happen to a tumor elsewhere in the body, such as the bowel or heart, it could have grave consequences.

“It is ironic that we are now concerned about the possibility of overly vigorous antimelanoma responses,” the researchers write.

I find so many great examples of nature I want to share, and never know where to put them, so I dont... lol...

I think this is a great example of intelligence...

gfycat.com/HeavyLeadingAnt
]]>ScienceThu, 30 Apr 2015 12:15:31 +0000speed of light - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110076-speed-of-light?start=30#188708
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110076-speed-of-light?start=30#188708
as far as WHY it would stop at any particular speed i dont have the background for that
but my question would be "is the speed oflight the fastest speed possible because its the fastest speed the universe allows?
or simply because light is the fastest thing we know of in the universe?"

if there is some inhibiting force on the potential speed inherent to the universe then that would be the answer i guess

sorry
i had to say it
i didnt have a choice
you could say
i was Forced]]>ScienceSun, 12 Apr 2015 01:15:30 +0000geometric sequencing - by: a67https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110156-geometric-sequencing?start=10#186611
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110156-geometric-sequencing?start=10#186611
But its too late. Im on. Rock & roll lool
I just backup my projects in another places.

If I can update myself good .. I am going to open a new portal to protect my privacy.

You're ants not a solid, go home you're drunk.]]>ScienceWed, 01 Apr 2015 15:49:59 +0000Costa Rica Has Only Used Renewable Energy For Electricity This Year - by: RyuJinhttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110059-costa-rica-has-only-used-renewable-energy-for-electricity-this-year#185393
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/110059-costa-rica-has-only-used-renewable-energy-for-electricity-this-year#185393ScienceWed, 25 Mar 2015 00:54:12 +0000The science of protecting people’s feelings: why we pretend all opinions are equal - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109944-the-science-of-protecting-people-s-feelings-why-we-pretend-all-opinions-are-equal?start=10#184279
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109944-the-science-of-protecting-people-s-feelings-why-we-pretend-all-opinions-are-equal?start=10#184279
imo everyone who wants the right to vote ought to be required to serve some level of civic responsibility

if you dont participate directly then you dont participate at all

everyone ought to get a share of the power and the blame and imo this would elevate the social and political sophistication of the entire culture

the argument might be that people would be put in positions they are not qualified for which is pretty much whats happening anyway a lot of times but since the whole populace would get first hand experience in the system the whole populace would get insider insight to the challenges and complexities of the relevant issues

and given a long enough time line the best ideas will make it to the top - its just a matter of open and honest public discourse and being flexible and ingenuitive enough to adopt new ideas without violating essential ideals]]>ScienceSun, 15 Mar 2015 03:08:31 +0000Can you solve these three easy questions? - by: Zephyrushttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109593-can-you-solve-these-three-easy-questions#182833
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109593-can-you-solve-these-three-easy-questions#182833ScienceSun, 01 Mar 2015 17:11:20 +0000One step closer to cyborgs? - by: OB1Shinobihttps://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109841-one-step-closer-to-cyborgs?start=10#182823
https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Science/109841-one-step-closer-to-cyborgs?start=10#182823
and its what will not only prove telepathy
but will show how to learn to be aware and deliberate with it

teach us how to do it actively

willshow EXACTLY the extent to which thought affects health

jack your kid up with a thinking cap and if he/she gets lost all they have to do is think "HELP!"

instead of the CLAPPER we'll have the THINKER
remember the clapper where you clap your hands and the lights comeone

youll bring your date home and THINK some marvin gay and soft lighting

i just hope you thought to clean up that kitchen earlier nobody likes to make happy time with radio active toxic sludge inthe next room

i have to go clean my kitchen now
thinks for reading]]>ScienceSun, 01 Mar 2015 06:10:07 +0000