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I hate to have to say this but with every game passing Olsson at Swansea is making Van Aanholt look like another bum deal by ourselves. Scored today for them and has been only impressive there so far, a fair deal cheaper than PVA too

Don't be ridiculous. The OP never goes to games but knows far more than anyone in the known universe about anything football-related (he was once almost a reserve for Harchester United's special needs under-13s).

PVA is out of position, he is too high and too wide, the gap between him and Delaney is too much

Under Pulis for example the left back would have been tucked in narrower

Not sure that was the problem though was it? PVA was with the winger and he matched his run and TBH shepherded him to prevent a shot on goal. He did his job.

A lot depends on how they have agreed to setup and cover etc. but my questions would be more about

- why had Tomkins followed Crouch right out to the wing without passing him onto Luka or without Luka dropping in behind him. The gap he left between him and Damo made no sense and if Crouch wants to play being a winger, let him for FFS
- Allen made the run from the wing to score the goal neither midfielder attempted to follow him
- not totally sure where macca was but if he was the deep left sided midfielder (it was difficult to tell at times then he should have been in between PVA and where the ball was played in if the other 2 were out wide
- Damo didn't seem to see the danger of Allen until it was passed to him which was too late. Another yard forward would have made a huge difference

All of the above may have legitimate answers but are probably more significant than PVA's positioning.

I don't blame Henn too much for this one but he had also shuffled right back onto his line and probably should have been further forward.

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Palace MUST rise again! Hmmm, gosh they already did. Never mind, leave it for next time!

He was 'out of position' because we were in possession on the other side of the pitch and he was heading forward to support our impending attack. Of course, we gave away the ball cheaply, were unable to get it back and he had to back peddle. As noted, he then did what we would expect him to do. Unfortunately, none of his team mates did.

Have any of you played the game at any sort of level as it makes me wonder with some of the comments on here . I can tell you that Hennessy is not good enough although I am not blaming him yesterday but we were playing generally a lot better with Steve in goal . Speroni was player of the year for many years in a row and would do a far better job than Hennessy even now . Playing for Wales means nothing I mean Ledley proves that they are championship players the pair of them and everyone knows that . I think against Sunderland Hennessy was fouled for their first goal but was so weak for a giant of a man and should easily have held that ball and Tomkins miss at 0.1 and also against West Ham were unforgivable imho .

He encourages the run inside which he does track BUT its almost too late then, the winger has comfortable posession in our penalty area, his positioning allowed them to get behind us

If he was narrow and covering his CB's the ball wouldnt have been on

He should have really been about the red circle is

I agree with your point about PVA's starting position, he was too wide and should have been positioned more central, closer to the centre backs, in which case Stoke probably couldn't have made the pass into the space between our defenders and if they did PVA would have increased his likelihood of getting there first

Agree that PVA was too wide, but arguably the worst bit about his defending was his lack of physical strength with the runner.
As you can see from the photo also, Allen has placed himself behind Luka and Puncheon with both of them heading out to press the ball.

Due to this, Allen becomes Delaneys man and looking at the head start he gets, should have been able to work this out

Well actually if you look at this thread other people have agreed that his been poor

Give it up glenn f your constant posts about me are boring now

It's not the fact he's been poor or whether people agree with you that he is to blame for this goal or that move. It boils down to the whole bleeding package of you imparting your wisdom of anything and everything to do with Palace and their deficiency's even when you can be totally wrong. It just happens to be so sodding tedious listening to your carping or going on and on about the same point constantly and with our current plight it then becomes magnified further.

Remember fella, not everybody who comes on here wants to debate with you or have their opinion dissected apart by somebody who hawks these boards itching to talk down to them, slate their every opinion or listen to you nodding your appreciation or agreement to every subject put up on these boards.