Would you like to learn how to play Cripple Mr. Onion...?Using hand-made Discworld-themed playing cards...?... and collect unique character cards designed by other boardies? *

After testing the generic set at the 2012 Convention this thread is now open as a contact/ordering page for our 8 suit card deck of Discworld Playing Cards that can also be used for traditional Roundworld cards games.

The generic decks come in a choice of 2 back designs -

THE TURTLE & ELEPHANTS - for devoted fans with an adaption of a Stephen Player illustration (with his permission)

AND THE TURTLES & DRAGONS - for the purist using original artwork for a more traditional-looking deck that might be used on the Disc itself

with the same turtle-based design for the fronts as used at Birmingham

and the 4 Jokers

Further visuals of the traditional-style court cards can be found on the old thread from HERE

Cripple Mr. Onion - A Vague Guide to Gameplay is available to view/download HERE (PDF 2MB)

Full Guide to Rules and Gameplay is available to view.download HERE (PDF 653KB)

HOW TO GET YOUR DECK - simply PM JAN VAN QUIRM, specifying which back design you'd like and get your download and printing details

IMPORTANTAll the cards bear the following disclaimer THIS DECK IS REPRODUCED BY FANS FOR FANS FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY

We do not have permission to make or sell these for profit and no licence has been or will be issued to us for their production - they are simply for our own personal use and should not be sold under any circumstances in any version shown above.

OK - the original project was to get a game together that could be played by Roundworld rules - NOT how they would play it on the Disc...

This is because in strict canon the Caroc in fact only has 8 number cards and 4 court cards per suit in its minor arcana, which means they have 96 cards in a deck rather than the 104 in the deck we made above (less the 4 jokers that is). Also the suits are slightly differently symbolised with sceptres replacing wands/batons in the tarot-based deck and turtles and elephants joining crowns and octagrams for the Disc version of our more familiar cards.

So this is the challenge for the next phase for our artistic peeps - use this template

to post all your character card designs on this thread WITHOUT any numbers or suits.

You post them in here on condition that you're allowing them to be downloaded from this thread and used on the Caroc templates that will be obtainable from me on PM in the same way as the Roundworld version of the decks above.Sorry for the formality but as we don't have permission to produce these for commercial purposes we need to maintain issue of the sets on a non-profit basis and to avoid having to obtain expensive licences as it's on a 'fair use' sharing as fans this way.

The theming for this Real Caroc set is also different to the Roundworld usable decks and produced in 4 colourways as follows

The character designs can in time be used on both versions of the combined decks and I'll be working on another generic/traditional treatment for the purist Caroc which should be ready in a few days time (I'll be adapting the court cards using the original version plus an additional one for the Lord/Knight card).

Both versions of the cards will be available as blanks (with the central space empty so you can insert whatever character(s) you want to download and apply to the template as you like. If you don't have the software to do this then let me know what ones you want to use and I'll do it for you if you ask nicely

As before we do not have permission to make or sell these for profit and no licence has been or will be issued to us for their production - they are simply for our own personal use and should not be sold under any circumstances in any version shown above.

OK - have been beavering away with the Purist version of the caroc (no 9 or 10 cards and an extra court card for 12 in a suit) and now have the templates 'perfected' so here's a preview of the 2 suits I hadn't designed yet with the Lord (knight) card for the 'occult' side of the deck and their related 'steeds'

The Elephant suit

Turtles

Swords

Sceptres (Wands)

Octagrams

Cups (had to get Binky in there somewhere & Death is a Lord of the Underworld type )

"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw

For the hard of reading the blurb says - Designed by fans for other discerning fans to enjoy, this is the definitive playing set as described in Witches Abroad and other books featuring the notoriously devious Discworld deck. For Cripple Mr Onion and other dastardly games of chance on the a world where Fate must sometimes move aside for The Lady.

"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw

There will neverbe a 'perfect' CMO deck as per the best outlined description of the game (in Witches Abroad) Turtle Recall has a whole appendix devoted to the game which is based on the San Diego Maths faculty put on the internet in the 1990s - BUT...

1. it assumes a deck as used in famous Roundworld casinos (i.e. it has 13 cards per suit with 8 suits or two normal 4 suit decks used)2. it mentions the 73 cards of the caroc which is supposed to be the equivalent of the tarota) even if you're playing with Roundworld cards without the 9 and the 10 cards (DW decks supposedly only have 8 number cards) 8 full suits will come to either 104 for a full deck or 88 for a reduced Caroc deck? b) the tarot has 14 card minor arcana/suits - the usual number cards plus Jack, Queen and King and an extra court card called the Knight or Page (depending on what constitutes a Jack in your opinion )3. Roundworld Tarot has an additional suit of 22 major arcana cards which were completely ignored in the San Diego trial game.

TR has now come up with an additional 13 card suit for the Caroc that equates to the Tarot's major arcana

Turtle Recall wrote:Ace = The Ruler2 = Temperance3 = The Pool of the Night4 = The Desert5 = The Dome of the Sky6 = The Witch7 = The Watch Man8 = The Wizard9 = The Star10 = The Mountain J = The FoolQ = The WorldK = Death

These are an amalgam of real tarot cards (Ace,2,9-Q) and 'Discified' ones (3,4-8 & 10) or 'crossover' ones like Death (who is either major card 8 or 13 in the tarot, depending on what deck you have)

So - I'm keeping to the San Diego CMO suit AND to the Real Caroc we've got already but I'll also (eventually) do designs for these new ones, even though they don't actually sit too well with 8 suits of the caroc that Terry describes in WA...

I mean... you don't want to actually PLAY the game properly do you?

"Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.” George Bernard Shaw