<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every now and again, fate gives you a second chance. Even in Washington.

Robin C. Ashton, the woman Attorney General Eric Holder just named to head of the Justice Department's internal ethics office, was reportedly herself a victim of improper politicization during the Bush administration at the hands of Regent University graduate Monica Goodling.

"As a veteran career prosecutor, Robin is uniquely qualified to serve as Counsel for Professional Responsibility, and I am confident she will lead the office with the highest standards of professionalism, integrity and dedication," Holder said in a statement.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>You remember Ms. Goodling, yes?</span>

Goodling, you may recall, arrived at DOJ at the start of the Bush administration after working as an opposition researcher for the Republican National Committee. She graduated from Regent University School of Law, the school founded by Pat Robertson, and believed that part of her job was to bring people with conservative and Christian values to the Justice Department, former colleagues said. She admitted to "crossing the line" and running afoul of civil service rules governing hiring decisions.

She thought her job in the DOJ was to purge the office of anyone who might have been a "democrat" or |"liberal", i.e. anyone to the left of Monica Goodling. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Ashton was only one of Goodling's victims. </span> Holder's decision shows he's serious about restoring the ethics office to actually meaning <span style='font-size: 17pt'>something, unlike during the Bush years.</span>

It's really amazing going through that whole list of links to Bush Era testimony, from your second link, and trying to imagine how the hell the Bush Administration, their entire top cabinet members, including their appointees, didn't end up in jail, and/or Bush/Cheney impeached.

IMO, that was the most damaging mistake that Democratics made.

Impeachment should never have been taken off the table. Bad for our country, and bad for our future.

I often wonder if the RW Activist Supreme Court would have had the balls to sell America out to corporate fascism, had they had to watch the Bush/Cheney cabal of crooks, trotting off to jail, just as we watched the visuals of the Nixon Watergate cabal of Republican crooks, arrested.

Reagan's administration, was as bad if not worse, we would have seen just as many to from his administration, heading to jail cells, had Bush One not pardoned all of them.

Goodling clearly broke the law. Clearly, gonzo, goodling and Rove, should have served time, as well, along with Libby.

It's disgusting.

G.

Sid_Vicious

12-28-2010, 01:24 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's really amazing going through that whole list of links to Bush Era testimony, from your second link, and trying to imagine how the hell the Bush Administration, their entire top cabinet members, including their appointees, didn't end up in jail, and/or Bush/Cheney impeached.

IMO, that was the most damaging mistake that Democratics made.

Impeachment should never have been taken off the table. Bad for our country, and bad for our future.

I often wonder if the RW Activist Supreme Court would have had the balls to sell America out to corporate fascism, had they had to watch the Bush/Cheney cabal of crooks, trotting off to jail, just as we watched the visuals of the Nixon Watergate cabal of Republican crooks, arrested.

Reagan's administration, was as bad if not worse, we would have seen just as many to from his administration, heading to jail cells, had Bush One not pardoned all of them.

Goodling clearly broke the law. Clearly, gonzo, goodling and Rove, should have served time, as well, along with Libby.

It's disgusting.

G.
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Impeached hell! What Bush, Cheney and his crew did was out and out treason and murder. Clinton get a BJ, these guys kill a country and thousands and thousands of living people. This country we all keep hearing the hails of "God bless America" is doomed until some REAL housecleaning is done. I rant, but it's because of the lunacy of it all.

We have no democracy. martin

Deeman3

12-28-2010, 02:06 PM

I thought that all changed in 2008! Folks say Obama is doing a pretty damn good impression of Bush.

Now is where you all chime in and say it was just too late and Obama had no power to change it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Now is where you all chime in and say it was just too late and Obama had no power to change it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Despite what you may have heard, Obama is not Harry Potter. He does not have a magic wand that he can swish and all the mistakes and abuses that happened in Bush's term can be made undone.
He is also not a Witchdoctor that can slaughter a couple of chickens and the all the mistakes and abuses that happened in Bush's term can be made undone.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which existed from September 2002 to June 2003, was <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a Pentagon unit created by <span style="color: #990000">Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, and headed by Feith,</span> as charged by then-United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,</span> to supply senior George W. Bush administration officials with raw intelligence (unvetted by intelligence analysts, see Stovepiping) pertaining to Iraq.[1] A similar unit, called the Iranian Directorate, was created several years later, in 2006, to deal with intelligence on Iran.[2] </div></div>

The evidence was being manipulated. The OSP was set up to cherry pick the evidence and provide a case for war, not to examine the evidence critically.

The only reason you would want a mediocre President in the WH would be because they are easily manipulated.

What do you do if you don't like the intelligence community's assessment? You create your own!

A report out today from the Defense Department's Inspector General on the administration's DIY intelligence analysis shop, led by Douglas Feith, reopens an old and vital controversy: the administration's alleged manipulation of intelligence in the run up to the Iraq War.

Feith, the undersecretary of defense famously called "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet" by Gen. Tommy Franks, started his group shortly after 9/11<span style='font-size: 14pt'> with the mandate, handed down from Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, to look for state sponsors of terrorism.</span> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>That soon turned into a quest for signs of collaboration between Al Qaeda and Iraq; and Feith's group was urged "to ignore the intelligence community's belief that the militant Islamist al-Qaida and Saddam's secular dictatorship were unlikely allies."
</span>
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>And, what do you know, Feith turned up evidence of ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq </span>-- findings that resulted in briefings to senior administration and CIA officials in the summer and fall of 2002. <u>Only, "left out of the version for the CIA, the inspector general said, was 'a slide that said there were 'fundamental problems' ' with the way the intelligence community was presenting the evidence."</u>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The centerpiece of the briefings were "slides describing as a 'known contact' an alleged 2001 meeting in Prague between Mohamed Atta, the leader of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, and an Iraqi intelligence officer." That claim, of course, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>has since been thoroughly debunked.</span></span>

Now, what does Feith say about all this? </div></div>

Wait for it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In a telephone interview yesterday, Feith emphasized the inspector general's conclusion that his actions, <u>described in the report as "inappropriate," were not unlawful.</u> "This was not 'alternative intelligence assessment,' " he said. "It was from the start <u>a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community,</u> and in presenting it <span style='font-size: 26pt'>I was not endorsing its substance.</span>" </div></div>

Get that?<span style='font-size: 14pt'> He was not " endorsing its substance ".</span>

Now is where you all chime in and say it was just too late and Obama had no power to change it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Not at all. Now is when I say why do you take what, "Folks" say, as factual, while ignoring all of the documentation, by numerous whistle blowers, who have raised their hands, in investigations, and sworn to the corruption of Bush's entire administration, while Bush's cabal answered "I don't recall" over and over again?

Foreign Policy experts, both from the left, and the right, have written dozens upon dozens of books, based on their first hand experiences dealing with the vast corruption of the Bush Administration, while the right, continues with their idiocy, denial, and damaging votes for more of the same corrupt, damaging policies.

Thousands died, because of Bush's massive lies. Do you care?

People, Generals, Special Forces, economists, the Congressional Busget Office, foreign policy experts, have written hundreds of reports and books, with actual documentation, about all of Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rove/Libby lies and deceit, proved their gross incompetence and law breaking, and then we all watch them walking off leaving the country in the colossal mess they left us all in, and you base your views on what "folks" are saying?

We are fighing our way out of the disasters of Bush's legacy, remember him? The guy you voted for twice? The guy who left this country in the worst condition of any president?

I'm sure the birthers, the death panelers, the trickle down Reagonites, the Tea Party idiots, will all back up your approval of what "Folks" are saying, and form their opinions accordingly.

LOL...

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pooltchr

12-29-2010, 10:40 AM

Obama is wrapping up his second year in office.
Troops are still in Iraq.
Troops are still in Afghanistan.
Gitmo is still open.
Unemployment is still near 10%.
Housing values remain at record lows.
Foreclosures continue.
Obama's approval ratings continue to decline.
The administration continues to spend money we don't have.
Washington still continues with back room, closed door deals.
Former lobbiests fill top administration posts.
Goldman Sacks executives now work for the government.
Obama is using paid Blackwater type mercenaries to fight the wars.

So where is all that change?

Steve

Stretch

12-29-2010, 11:43 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>So where is all that change?

You have to ask?? Following Obama's landslide victory, there was a clear mandate for change and reform in America yet the 111th Congress will set a new record for filibusters as part of a clear pattern of obstruction from those who don't want change or reform.

This is all part of the Republican plan to deliberately stop government from working, as part of a playbook to retake Congress and hamstring the change VOTED for in 2008.

- Increase the negativity to create apathy with everyone except an energized base.

- Start a whisper campaign to "throw the bums out" and call for term limits.

- Make a grandiose list of pledges to supposedly fulfill if they are elected.

- Retake Congress and hamstring reformer President.

So far, so good eh? In todays climate of disinformation, propognda, lies and deciet America has become UNGOVERNABLE! You should be proud. St.

pooltchr

12-29-2010, 11:52 AM

Obama's "landslide" victory? 54% is just slightly over half...hardly a landslide.
The Dems losing over 60 house seats in November is more of a landslide...and indicative of how fed up the people of this country are with what has happened in Washington over the past two years.

The "mandate" is to clean up Washington, cut government spending, and start paying attention to the Constitution.

Ask yourself one simple question. I don't expect you to actually admit the obvious answer, but for your own peace of mind. Had there been a presidential election last month, do you honestly think Obama would have been re-elected????

Steve

Stretch

12-29-2010, 01:19 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's "landslide" victory? 54% is just slightly over half...hardly a landslide.
The Dems losing over 60 house seats in November is more of a landslide...and indicative of how fed up the people of this country are with what has happened in Washington over the past two years.

The "mandate" is to clean up Washington, cut government spending, and start paying attention to the Constitution.

Ask yourself one simple question. I don't expect you to actually admit the obvious answer, but for your own peace of mind. Had there been a presidential election last month, do you honestly think Obama would have been re-elected????

Steve </div></div>

From what i've seen on your side, YES!! St.

pooltchr

12-29-2010, 02:11 PM

I guess we will see in 2 years. Personally, I think the majority of the country have come to their senses and will not want 4 more years of Obama.

Steve

sack316

12-29-2010, 03:10 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess we will see in 2 years. Personally, I think the majority of the country have come to their senses and will not want 4 more years of Obama.

Steve </div></div>

Only thing is that republicans will have to come up with someone worthwhile. Romney may be the guy, but I don't think he'd beat Obama. Huckabee is a dark horse that I like, but still don't think he could oust the sitting pres. Even though Obama has been "losing" his base of late, those people would likely still turn up for him over voting for any republican.

But a lot can happen in two years. Personally, for the country's sake, I hope Obama can manage to turn things around and <u>earn</u> re-election.

You have to ask?? Following Obama's landslide victory, there was a clear mandate for change and reform in America yet the 111th Congress will set a new record for filibusters as part of a clear pattern of obstruction from those who don't want change or reform.

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And there you have it folks ... the ultimate in leftist doublethink.

According to the far left, when Bush was POTUS the democrooks in congress had no ability to stop Bush from destroying the country because all the power rested with the White House ...

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>AND</span> ...

when Obama became POTUS he, in combination with a massive majority in the house ... and the senate ... and in the state legislatures ... and in the state governorships, couldn't stop the republicans from making things worse because all the power rested in the minority party.

Do you folks honestly have any idea how foolish y'all sound when the answer to everything is <span style='font-size: 11pt'>B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!</span>

Bush & Co would all be kaputt if only someone had the guts to leak.
And there would be plenty of leaks if only someone had the guts to create a site that aided leaking and the secrecy of the leakers.
mac.

eg8r

12-29-2010, 06:05 PM

Obama is doing his best W impersonation. No change whatsoever and that is why the Dems are losing power.

This is the post-WW II record for the winning presidential shares of the popular vote.

Averaging the second column (in which I eliminate Eisenhower, who was a huge national hero from WW II, and the blowout re-election results of incumbents Reagan and LBJ, and GHW Bush who was a semi-incumbent), shows that in this fairly polarized country, 1st time elected presidents average less than 48.25% of the popular vote. (Note, keeping in the re-elect %s for WJC and GWB RAISE that average a bit.)

Even using the lower, more correct figure for Obama's winning popular vote percentage as given above (52.87%, rounding up to 53% not 54%), his approx. 53% is some 9.8% more than is typical, resulting in over a 2-1 electoral college margin.

So, a very hefty margin of victory, albeit no blow-out (ala RMN or RWR re-elect margins), but possibly still a landslide.

The 60+ vote swing in the House was indeed large, and historic, but it was set up by the large victory in '08 and '06 for House Dems. For, fully 50 of the seats that were in Dem hands that were lost were in districts that had gone the previous two presidential elections to McCain and Bush.

This is the post-WW II record for the winning presidential shares of the popular vote.

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<span style="color: #000099">Well, you could have said so in the first place. HST didn't trade for 49.5 today. I was halfway through the list before I figured you were talking about something else.</span>

Qtec

12-30-2010, 04:13 AM

Its pretty amazing, but not surprising that not one single Righty [ as LWW or G would call them] has the balls to touch this.

They should look up the meaning of justice.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>If you were not willing to swear a blood oath to the 'Great Leader, The decider, His Majesty GW Bush', then you didn't get the job.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>This is true.</span>

Q...never heard any complaints from the 'Righty's' about that.

LWW

12-30-2010, 04:48 AM

So ... you "PROVE" your position by eliminating all data that disagrees with your preconceived result?

Perhaps you should be a AGW researcher ... you have their methodology down well enough.

LWW

Gayle in MD

12-30-2010, 09:23 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess we will see in 2 years. Personally, I think the majority of the country have come to their senses and will not want 4 more years of Obama.

Steve </div></div>

Only thing is that republicans will have to come up with someone worthwhile. Romney may be the guy, but I don't think he'd beat Obama. Huckabee is a dark horse that I like, but still don't think he could oust the sitting pres. Even though Obama has been "losing" his base of late, those people would likely still turn up for him over voting for any republican.

But a lot can happen in two years. Personally, for the country's sake, I hope Obama can manage to turn things around and <u>earn</u> re-election.

Sack </div></div>

Good post, Sack. Trying to respond to absurdity, is a challenge, lol. It's good to read that you have good hopes for the future, but as Q says, the Bush Legacy, isn't going to be an easy legacy, from which to recover. And, let us not forget, that Bush himself, predicted a decade long Depression, when he originally pushed for his TARP bailout.

Narcissists always think their reality, is THE reality, lol. But, that was their same downfall in continuing to vote Republican, after the obvious spending, borrowing, cutting taxes while warring, began to show itself for what it all actually was about, redistribution of wealth, upwards, on the blood of young American Patriots, who signed up after 9/11 to ge those who were our actual attackers....IOW.... those who were given a bye, by the Bush/Cheney/Rice oil cartel, whose interests were in oil profits, for their campaign financers.

OTOH, and IMO, failing to convict those who brought down the economy, was also a huge mistake, from the bankers, to the war profiteers. And, a new Republiocan congressional majority, will surely be a road block for doing that.

As for going after the CEO's on Wall Street, who fomented this massive theft of American Wealth, I realize, that in the midst of Bush's complete economic collapse, It's not easy to handcuff and indict those who caused it, and did seem a riskey course of action, at the time of the economic collapse.

To indict and convict and jail the crooks, when they were the only ones who had been running the new computerized train, off the cliff, and left such a convoluted, intentionally complex, hidden economic disaster, still languishing in the shadows of question, still threatening a Depressionn, and possibly, much worse to come...., but that is exactly what should have happened, regardless of the economoic costs, IMO..

Corruption and greed of the wealthy, is what was really at the core of all of our economic problems, from Iraq, to Wall Street.

Slice it up anyway one likes, or prefers, but it still all comes back to that, simple greed, of the pigs, at the top, both on Wall St., in the oil and medical industries, the profiteering pigs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and an American insurance industry, which promises, but never delivers, in fact.

Unfortunately, many Republican voters seem to always allow their hatred of the poor, to overshadow the greater, and more damaging stealing by the rich, and yes, there are definitely racial overtones in all of that, which their leaders and they, themselves, all vehemenently deny, in true Shakespearian fasion, about which I often think, ....they "protest too much."

The same crooks in the banking industry, the same war profiteering contractors, who brought the country to it's knees, have been sitting on their multi-trillions, holding up any recovery, and holding out for another gleeful, RW, decade of Republican spending, borrowing, warring, and another de-regulated Reagan styled time span, of continued deregulation, the kind which the Repiglican Party has been protecting and continuing protect, through record breaking filibusters, and every other dirty politics trick they use as a rule, to further enhance the stolen profits of the wealthy.

More so called, laissez faire, wholesale theft, and redistribution of wealth, to the global movers and shakers, those same pigs whose spending, never advantages America, over their preferred "other countries." rich in oil, and rich in lending money...

Americans have been saturated with propaganda, and many have conveniently forgotten or continued to deny, the makers, the deciders, if you will, of the policies which actually brought us to the depths of economic failure.

The purely stupid, are still in the business of denying the severity of the demise, already left by Republican policies, the likes of which we had never previously seen, given the global impact, all left to us, and to some degree, to other countries as well, but by the design of Republican loving, AMERICAN CROOKS, and spoken assurances from Alan Greenspan, who famouosly stated that he had no concerns about fraud in the markets, quite a signal he sent, I'd say.

Once one combines all of that, with eight years of an energy policy which awarded the greedy war profiteering thieves, awarded no bid contracts through Bush/Cheney launched wars, launched on lies, in order to provide their terrorist supporting, global OIL cronies, foreign and domestic, with record breaking profits, while also sending the "Free for all" signal out to all of the common thieves, the CEO pigs on Wall Street, sans Greenspan, that however they chose to steal, would be completely overlooked, as long as the fake economic pretense, the supposed, "Fundamentally Strong" economy, wasn't exposed as the massive Ponzi Scheme, that is actually was.

Compliments of the actual words and acts, of Alan Greenspan, it wasn't that hard for them to pull it off, Fux, and the Bush Administration, and of course, the Republican majority, have incredibly, jumped the shark, redesigned reality, once more, and are coming back, with yet another false version, for what they will actually do when they get there.

Yep, the flyovers are in faith, once again, for another big, huge bite.....this time, America won't even have a shot at recovery....a country can only stand so much corruption, only so much theft, only so much corporate fascism, only so much redistribution of wealth to the top, before even the peace loving, Liberal left, begin to load up, themselves. And when Liberals, RELOAD, they aren't faking it.

That's what will happen, when Republicans begin to further destroy the long struggling and faltering Middle Class, which have suffered since the days of Ronald Reagan, the Grand-daddy of America's demise.

Paying subsidies to corporations, to outsource jobs, and paying corporations, to steal through war profiteering, with the tax dollars of the Middle Class, by a completely corrupt president and Vice President, each, not only involved in War Crimes, but each told lie, after lie, after lie, and BOTH responsible for the most abusive attack on unsuspecting, patriotic young Americans in our history, as they were blown away daily, for HALLIBURTON AND EXON&lt; for years, on the same roads, with the same bombs, by the same DECIDER, all to support the financial holdings of a supreme conflict of interests, by Cheney/Halliburton, and the long standing, decades old Bush Family Dynasty/Saudi Arabian/bin LadenFamily/UAE/
GLOBAL oil interests, no bid contracts, unquestioned by the massive RW media, many of them, also invested in oil.

No oversight from the Republican blank check majority, which was spending and borrowing like drunken sailors, themselves, inviting fraud, and assuring the market, of a policy which would not only chooses not to regulate, but, doing so with the spoken, promise between themselves and their fellow thieves, delivered by Greenspan, to also overlook an unprecedented Wall Street/PredatoryMortgageLending/fake rating agency, debt denying/toic asset bundling, selling off, redistribution of financial obligations, fueled by unprotected risk, and ultimately providing massive redistrubution of wealth, to themselves, and fomenting a multi-national, global, multi-level, intentionally complex, theft of the wealth and the savings and investments of average Americans, and to some degree, also to foreigners, which the same CEO's have stuffed into their filthy pockets, and sailed off to hide behind their seven and eight mansioned, gated, complexes..... a repulsive result, of REPUBLICAN DEREGULATION POLICIES, and THE CORRUPT BUSH ADMINISTRATION, by and large....

Instead of building on the great lecagy of the Clinton Era, we watched righties defend obvious war crimes, and the insanity of Bush's obvious financing of both sides of both wars, for cronies, of the Rice/Bush/Cheney, multinational oil interests, and tragically, all for no good reason, and no good result, escept for Bush and Cheney's children, and to finance more skull and bones, crooks, from both famlies, stolen from our collective futures.

Countries of terrorist supporters, which had been in business with the Bush/Cheney/Rice/ Grand Oil Party, multi-national oil cartel, for decades.

Obviously, the right will never want for enough money to pay off however many scientists they need to, in order to keep the incredibly ignorant, RW sheep, ranting against scientific facts.

After all....Ah hem, we all know the earth is only five or six thousand years old. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

As Q said, even Harry Potter, couldn't assuage the damages, massive damages, on every level of government, resulting from six years of Bush/Cheney, and a spendoholic Republican majority.

All of this current uneducated glee, which we now see coming from those same flyovers, who voted yet again, against their own best interests, and again, for renewed power of the same crooks, who destroyed the country, to gain power AGAIN, is about as relevant as their long standing denials and attacks upon those of us on the left, who consistantly, beginning with the exposures of all of the massive Bush lies, in the lead up to war, began our warnings, of what would come about if they kept voting for Republican foreign and economoic policies, always designed to award the military industrial/congressional complex, and the financiers of terrorist groups, including those same Kings and Prince's with whom George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rice and Bush One, had been sucking face, for decades, before they bankrupted our country.

The right, here, are still too busy denying proven documentation of the disastrous Bush Era results, to even begin to wrap their challenged little minds around the whole picture, of what Bush and the Republican majority did to our country.

It's just so much easier to blame it all on President Obama, and the Democratics, all of whom had power, only long after the resulting damages, and building disastrous consequences of trickle down, killing and corruption, RW laisseze Faire form of governing, had been written in stone, and unavoidable.

And apparently, the right in this country is still so thoroughly brain washed, burried in denail, and ignorant of the facts, that they actually thought that in under three years of a new administration, all would be well.

Actually, they started whining for a total recovery, within months of the Obama Admistration....which is just more proof of their massive "flyover" ignorance, the same sort of ignorance that afflicts those who only get their political, foreign policy and economic information, from the likes of Beck, Rove, Palin, hannity, FUX, Limpballs, noses firmly up the &)$%^'s of their beloved heroes of hate....

Some of us were here throughout, telling them, Bush was destroying the country, as they responded with only more attacks, insults, and denials.

But then, we were terrorist lovers, they all said, throughout, as Bush's policies, were financing terrorist financiers, as he sucked their faces, those who were killing young Americans, while Halliburton and Exon, were making record breaking profits, as they executed our soldiers in their showers, and gang raped some of our women, no one actually knows how many.....

Yet, for the Right, obviously, Nothing has changed.

Same ol' brainwashed, RW dummies they were all along.

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What's really funny, is when they attempt to speak for the entire country... as in, "What is real for me, is obviously real for everyone"

After so much proof of their continual fantasy reality, and their colossal economic proven failures, fomented by their own ignorance, yet, RW bravado and defense of Republican foreign policy, the always damaging RW economic trickle down theory, consistantly skewed misreading of the coming economic results, throughout history, of cutting taxes, increasing the debt through Republican realated costs of a massive giveaway to the phramaceutical industry, unquestionable bad economic decisions, yet they voted again, for Bush, and the entire course of Bush's blank check majority, came to fruition, before Democratics had hung the drapes in their new majority offices, yet still, the RW voters, have learned nothing, as proven in this last election....

One would think they would have developed some semblence of humility.

No such result has occured.

One need only read the Quotes, and titles, of their fantasy posts, on this forum, with their concocted claims of accuracy, and mis-assignment of blame, proof positive.

Some people never wake up.....it's just too painful a process, given the depth of their former denials and attacks, which preceeded the collapse, and which the left on this forum predicted for years, while we were being called terrorist lovers, hence, reading this forum, leaves me little hope for my grand-daughter's future. The right has bought up too much power, with the aid of the RW activist Supreme Court, fascists, to ever be snuffed out, for long enough to correct their massive policy failures, and restore democracy and honor, and to derail the greedy results of corporate America....and unchecked power.

G.

pooltchr

12-30-2010, 11:48 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Good post, Sack. Trying to respond to absurdity, is a challenge, lol. It's good to read that you have good hopes for the future, but as Q says, the Bush Legacy, isn't going to be an easy legacy, from which to recover. And, let us not forget, that Bush himself, predicted a decade long Depression, when he originally pushed for his TARP bailout.

Narcissists always think their reality, is THE reality, lol. But, that was their same downfall in continuing to vote Republican, after the obvious spending, borrowing, cutting taxes while warring, began to show itself for what it all actually was about, redistribution of wealth, upwards, on the blood of young American Patriots, who signed up after 9/11 to ge those who were our actual attackers....IOW.... those who were given a bye, by the Bush/Cheney/Rice oil cartel, whose interests were in oil profits, for their campaign financers.

OTOH, and IMO, failing to convict those who brought down the economy, was also a huge mistake, from the bankers, to the war profiteers. And, a new Republiocan congressional majority, will surely be a road block for doing that.

As for going after the CEO's on Wall Street, who fomented this massive theft of American Wealth, I realize, that in the midst of Bush's complete economic collapse, It's not easy to handcuff and indict those who caused it, and did seem a riskey course of action, at the time of the economic collapse.

To indict and convict and jail the crooks, when they were the only ones who had been running the new computerized train, off the cliff, and left such a convoluted, intentionally complex, hidden economic disaster, still languishing in the shadows of question, still threatening a Depressionn, and possibly, much worse to come...., but that is exactly what should have happened, regardless of the economoic costs, IMO..

Corruption and greed of the wealthy, is what was really at the core of all of our economic problems, from Iraq, to Wall Street.

Slice it up anyway one likes, or prefers, but it still all comes back to that, simple greed, of the pigs, at the top, both on Wall St., in the oil and medical industries, the profiteering pigs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and an American insurance industry, which promises, but never delivers, in fact.

Unfortunately, many Republican voters seem to always allow their hatred of the poor, to overshadow the greater, and more damaging stealing by the rich, and yes, there are definitely racial overtones in all of that, which their leaders and they, themselves, all vehemenently deny, in true Shakespearian fasion, about which I often think, ....they "protest too much."

The same crooks in the banking industry, the same war profiteering contractors, who brought the country to it's knees, have been sitting on their multi-trillions, holding up any recovery, and holding out for another gleeful, RW, decade of Republican spending, borrowing, warring, and another de-regulated Reagan styled time span, of continued deregulation, the kind which the Repiglican Party has been protecting and continuing protect, through record breaking filibusters, and every other dirty politics trick they use as a rule, to further enhance the stolen profits of the wealthy.

More so called, laissez faire, wholesale theft, and redistribution of wealth, to the global movers and shakers, those same pigs whose spending, never advantages America, over their preferred "other countries." rich in oil, and rich in lending money...

Americans have been saturated with propaganda, and many have conveniently forgotten or continued to deny, the makers, the deciders, if you will, of the policies which actually brought us to the depths of economic failure.

The purely stupid, are still in the business of denying the severity of the demise, already left by Republican policies, the likes of which we had never previously seen, given the global impact, all left to us, and to some degree, to other countries as well, but by the design of Republican loving, AMERICAN CROOKS, and spoken assurances from Alan Greenspan, who famouosly stated that he had no concerns about fraud in the markets, quite a signal he sent, I'd say.

Once one combines all of that, with eight years of an energy policy which awarded the greedy war profiteering thieves, awarded no bid contracts through Bush/Cheney launched wars, launched on lies, in order to provide their terrorist supporting, global OIL cronies, foreign and domestic, with record breaking profits, while also sending the "Free for all" signal out to all of the common thieves, the CEO pigs on Wall Street, sans Greenspan, that however they chose to steal, would be completely overlooked, as long as the fake economic pretense, the supposed, "Fundamentally Strong" economy, wasn't exposed as the massive Ponzi Scheme, that is actually was.

Compliments of the actual words and acts, of Alan Greenspan, it wasn't that hard for them to pull it off, Fux, and the Bush Administration, and of course, the Republican majority, have incredibly, jumped the shark, redesigned reality, once more, and are coming back, with yet another false version, for what they will actually do when they get there.

Yep, the flyovers are in faith, once again, for another big, huge bite.....this time, America won't even have a shot at recovery....a country can only stand so much corruption, only so much theft, only so much corporate fascism, only so much redistribution of wealth to the top, before even the peace loving, Liberal left, begin to load up, themselves. And when Liberals, RELOAD, they aren't faking it.

That's what will happen, when Republicans begin to further destroy the long struggling and faltering Middle Class, which have suffered since the days of Ronald Reagan, the Grand-daddy of America's demise.

Paying subsidies to corporations, to outsource jobs, and paying corporations, to steal through war profiteering, with the tax dollars of the Middle Class, by a completely corrupt president and Vice President, each, not only involved in War Crimes, but each told lie, after lie, after lie, and BOTH responsible for the most abusive attack on unsuspecting, patriotic young Americans in our history, as they were blown away daily, for HALLIBURTON AND EXON&lt; for years, on the same roads, with the same bombs, by the same DECIDER, all to support the financial holdings of a supreme conflict of interests, by Cheney/Halliburton, and the long standing, decades old Bush Family Dynasty/Saudi Arabian/bin LadenFamily/UAE/
GLOBAL oil interests, no bid contracts, unquestioned by the massive RW media, many of them, also invested in oil.

No oversight from the Republican blank check majority, which was spending and borrowing like drunken sailors, themselves, inviting fraud, and assuring the market, of a policy which would not only chooses not to regulate, but, doing so with the spoken, promise between themselves and their fellow thieves, delivered by Greenspan, to also overlook an unprecedented Wall Street/PredatoryMortgageLending/fake rating agency, debt denying/toic asset bundling, selling off, redistribution of financial obligations, fueled by unprotected risk, and ultimately providing massive redistrubution of wealth, to themselves, and fomenting a multi-national, global, multi-level, intentionally complex, theft of the wealth and the savings and investments of average Americans, and to some degree, also to foreigners, which the same CEO's have stuffed into their filthy pockets, and sailed off to hide behind their seven and eight mansioned, gated, complexes..... a repulsive result, of REPUBLICAN DEREGULATION POLICIES, and THE CORRUPT BUSH ADMINISTRATION, by and large....

Instead of building on the great lecagy of the Clinton Era, we watched righties defend obvious war crimes, and the insanity of Bush's obvious financing of both sides of both wars, for cronies, of the Rice/Bush/Cheney, multinational oil interests, and tragically, all for no good reason, and no good result, escept for Bush and Cheney's children, and to finance more skull and bones, crooks, from both famlies, stolen from our collective futures.

Countries of terrorist supporters, which had been in business with the Bush/Cheney/Rice/ Grand Oil Party, multi-national oil cartel, for decades.

Obviously, the right will never want for enough money to pay off however many scientists they need to, in order to keep the incredibly ignorant, RW sheep, ranting against scientific facts.

After all....Ah hem, we all know the earth is only five or six thousand years old. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

As Q said, even Harry Potter, couldn't assuage the damages, massive damages, on every level of government, resulting from six years of Bush/Cheney, and a spendoholic Republican majority.

All of this current uneducated glee, which we now see coming from those same flyovers, who voted yet again, against their own best interests, and again, for renewed power of the same crooks, who destroyed the country, to gain power AGAIN, is about as relevant as their long standing denials and attacks upon those of us on the left, who consistantly, beginning with the exposures of all of the massive Bush lies, in the lead up to war, began our warnings, of what would come about if they kept voting for Republican foreign and economoic policies, always designed to award the military industrial/congressional complex, and the financiers of terrorist groups, including those same Kings and Prince's with whom George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rice and Bush One, had been sucking face, for decades, before they bankrupted our country.

The right, here, are still too busy denying proven documentation of the disastrous Bush Era results, to even begin to wrap their challenged little minds around the whole picture, of what Bush and the Republican majority did to our country.

It's just so much easier to blame it all on President Obama, and the Democratics, all of whom had power, only long after the resulting damages, and building disastrous consequences of trickle down, killing and corruption, RW laisseze Faire form of governing, had been written in stone, and unavoidable.

And apparently, the right in this country is still so thoroughly brain washed, burried in denail, and ignorant of the facts, that they actually thought that in under three years of a new administration, all would be well.

Actually, they started whining for a total recovery, within months of the Obama Admistration....which is just more proof of their massive "flyover" ignorance, the same sort of ignorance that afflicts those who only get their political, foreign policy and economic information, from the likes of Beck, Rove, Palin, hannity, FUX, Limpballs, noses firmly up the &)$%^'s of their beloved heroes of hate....

Some of us were here throughout, telling them, Bush was destroying the country, as they responded with only more attacks, insults, and denials.

But then, we were terrorist lovers, they all said, throughout, as Bush's policies, were financing terrorist financiers, as he sucked their faces, those who were killing young Americans, while Halliburton and Exon, were making record breaking profits, as they executed our soldiers in their showers, and gang raped some of our women, no one actually knows how many.....

Yet, for the Right, obviously, Nothing has changed.

Same ol' brainwashed, RW dummies they were all along.

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What's really funny, is when they attempt to speak for the entire country... as in, "What is real for me, is obviously real for everyone"

After so much proof of their continual fantasy reality, and their colossal economic proven failures, fomented by their own ignorance, yet, RW bravado and defense of Republican foreign policy, the always damaging RW economic trickle down theory, consistantly skewed misreading of the coming economic results, throughout history, of cutting taxes, increasing the debt through Republican realated costs of a massive giveaway to the phramaceutical industry, unquestionable bad economic decisions, yet they voted again, for Bush, and the entire course of Bush's blank check majority, came to fruition, before Democratics had hung the drapes in their new majority offices, yet still, the RW voters, have learned nothing, as proven in this last election....

One would think they would have developed some semblence of humility.

No such result has occured.

One need only read the Quotes, and titles, of their fantasy posts, on this forum, with their concocted claims of accuracy, and mis-assignment of blame, proof positive.

Some people never wake up.....it's just too painful a process, given the depth of their former denials and attacks, which preceeded the collapse, and which the left on this forum predicted for years, while we were being called terrorist lovers, hence, reading this forum, leaves me little hope for my grand-daughter's future. The right has bought up too much power, with the aid of the RW activist Supreme Court, fascists, to ever be snuffed out, for long enough to correct their massive policy failures, and restore democracy and honor, and to derail the greedy results of corporate America....and unchecked power.

G.

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I've often heard that less is more. I think we can all agree now, thanks to you, that more is often less!