UPDATE: Woman shot, killed by Yuba City police

When a cop is called to a location... it means a violation is in progress. He can search around saying he is looking for someone... because he is.
He has more rights when he is called to a location to enforce the laws rather than if he is just on patrol. That was my point.

A cop can be called for any number of reasons, it certainly doesn't mean a "violation" is in progress. A "suspected" violation perhaps, or...a
suspicious person...or an "alleged" offense.

Also it is quite common for a cop to "claim" they were called..or "claim" there was an anonymous tip and then trample on a persons rights. Your
words weren't twisted, they were put into context. It's your elementary perception of rights which is allowing the police to disregard everyone's
rights at every turn.

A cop shows up at my house, claims that someone complained does NOT give him the right to search it. Your argument is inane. And unless we happen to
be in a donut shop, I seriously doubt we will see a cop "patrolling' anything.

Since your a blatant badge kisser I won't expect an objective response or any actual logic in your retort. Just think about what happened to the
brown shirts when they outlived their usefulness.

If you, or anyone takes a cop at face value, puts their faith in the trust worthiness and creme of human goodness of the police officer, you are in
for one hell of a shock when reality hits your fantasy land. For the record, I am not anti cop, I'm anti corruption and anti authority abuse in all
walks of life.

Yeah, I dont know about taking census at 9pm. Seems a little over the top to me. I dont think I would be willing to deal with some stranger at my
door at 9pm either. I would probably have a shotgun too if some man I dont know is pounding on my door at night.

I think the cops overreacted. But at the same time, she was certainly not rational pointing a gun in the general direction of cops.

Originally posted by RedCairo
Bottom line: point a gun at a cop, they tell you to put it down and you don't, they shoot you. This is perfectly reasonable from my point of view or
there would be a whole lot more dead law enforcement officers and there's no excuse for making that situation any worse for them than it already is.

Exactly

Originally posted by rjmelter
BUT THINKING ITS OK TO POINT A GUN AT A COP AFTER hes been called to a location is illegal. They can get charged with atleast 3 offenses and serve
more than 3 years in prison for that. Most judges will not let it get that far but they can if they wanted. While he doesnt have search powers he
has the legitimate legal right to be at the premises, and considering the lady was pointing a gun at officers and refusing to co-operate... sadly...
she was asking to be shot. Its called Suicide by police... its very common for crazy people.

In this situation the officer were justified based on the information I have seen, I would shoot someone if the pointed a firearm in my direction or
someone elses especially after warning them multiple times to drop it and with the prior knowledge that they had already pointed it at a federal
employee.

Originally posted by LurkerMan
until then you either say nothing, or shout "your trying to rob me, if you enter my home without producing a warrant i will kill you"

completely lawful threat.

While that may be semi-lawful...it will get a SWAT team called and an ECO order filed for you, if you point a weapon at the officer....then things
will go South very fast even if you are in your home.

One point many failed to notice is that a human life was snuffed out, by a bullet, and an old lady at that!

I had been trained to handle a weapon with utmost care and concern to human life. It is only animals, that are actually in a position to harm another
precious life would I aim my weapon at the critical part of that animal to take him down instantly.

And such training does take time to perfect, or close to perfection. It is of utmost neccessity as one has only 4 seconds to react. Many a time I had
to be punished if i failed in my training. But after remedial training, I succeded and only THEN, am I allowed to carry a pistol or a rifle.

Many presumed special forces are a different breed of men, but in truth, they are all the same human beings as you and I. The only difference is in
their speciality, similiar only in the way a PHD or a garage mechanic specializes in his trade with training.

And being a specialist allowed with carrying the gun, more so one who is a REPRESENTATIVE of society, paid by society, it carries a heavy
responsibility.

The police officer should thus be WELL TRAINED to handle his weapon in an effective manner and at the same time, TO VALUE LIFE ABOVE ALL ELSE.

Being a crackshot capable of hitting vital points to stop a person dead in his track, the PO should also be aware of legitimate areas of secondary
points that can do the same. A shot in the knee or the trigger finger is sufficed to IMMOBILISE a person, without that sentence of death to a fellow
human, let alone citizen.

For those who support such MURDERS instead of IMMOBILISATION, then we are no better than animals of wild, and should not claim 'civilisation
status', and should be wiped out as a race immediately!

It is not impossible to achieve that perfection of marksmanship, of hitting secondary points. I know because I was a butter fingers with the trigger
before, but after much specialized trainning, I could be calm, rational and focus on my duty under the most trying ordeals. And I am only human, bleed
and aspire the same.

Thus, in summary, the police are accountable for the murder of a old lady, plain and simple, and must be punished to set an example for others to
follow, or we as a civilised society had failed. Our failure lies in the support of trigger happy Gestapo or SS troopers to kill anyone in the name of
assumed 'threats'. Murder must not be condoned in ANY form.

I humbly apologise to any police officer who thinks they are 'only doing their job', but carrying that gun carrries HEAVY responsibilty, or if they
feel incapable of handling such situations, should called for back up of negotiators or simply trained themselves better. If they failed, then they
should carry batons and not guns for the trigger happy Gestapo officers.

Originally posted by v3_exceedreply to post by v3_exceed
If you, or anyone takes a cop at face value, puts their faith in the trust worthiness and creme of human goodness of the police officer, you are in
for one hell of a shock when reality hits your fantasy land. For the record, I am not anti cop, I'm anti corruption and anti authority abuse in all
walks of life.

.Ex

I'm Anti Corruption as well, thats why I graduate in June with my Associates in Criminal Justice. I dont agree with every law... as many laws are
created by the man rich enough to finance it... but They are the laws and I will abide by them and enforce them... should I ever believe a law has
outlived its purpose I will ask my congressman to remove it and get others who agree with me to sign a petition.

I'm not a perfect person, indeed I've seen many of my flaws come out in conversations here on ATS when topics get personal... but I am trying my
best to be true to myself, while "evolving" my thoughts so that I wont be so narrow minded. I will also apply that to being a Law Enforcement
Officer, I know the law and I know that Im supposed to be curteous so I will. but if your going to walk up and be nothing but rude, argumentative,
or some other negative word... I'm not going to be smiling at you... I'm human too. If you choose to get insulting towards me, ill take it that
your not talking to the officer your talking to the man... but since I'm obligated to act under certain regards to the law while in uniform I will
ask you to go away...

Hardly anyone on ATS likes cops... and in fact half the reason people are here is because they belive that cops (the protectors and or guard dogs to
the government) are fencing the public away from the truth. Every citizen feels they are being lied to, they know their politicans are corrupt... and
COPS are the "guard dogs" to protect them. Its really that simple... the other problem is that some people want to be cops because the only thing
they are good at in life is roughing people up and taking control of them. The current Criminal Justice system is working to push guys like that out,
but it takes time and progress... and its hard to catch these guys because of all the little bonds that cops form. They will protect their own ina
lot of cases.

JUST as our country has evovled so must our police forces. I dont expect you to like cops right now, but I do expect for you to try to see both sides
of the situation.

Are you military trained or law enforcement trained? For law enforcement we are taught that we are to use our firearms for lethal force only, since
wounding=lawsuits. Now before everyone attacks me I am just saying that is what we have been trained to do, not that I believe in it 100%. I myself
have been sued for a similar situation.

I agree that this forum in general seems populated with an unusually large number of people who have real psychological problems with the concept of
authority, and blanket-blame every job and individual they perceive to be in that category.

Ever since I made the mistake of 'studying the news' when I was a teen (realizing it was more predictive than reportive, after months of recording
major storyline concepts, that was so disturbing), and then studying a topic of interest (Northern Ireland) and seeing the profound amount of
corruption, lies and media bias about it, I've been very cynical about media, government, etc. Some good writing, like a ~25 years old cover story
Rolling Stone ran on GE and corporations opened my eyes to that, and further reading made me realize that was a whole 'nuther issue. The world
certainly has enough abuse-of-power, corruption and greed for anybody's conspiracy interests to have infinite material. That's even without starting
on aliens, entities, alternate technologies, and all those topics I find frankly more interesting. ;-)

But individuals are another story. Sure, statistically, many individuals are messed up, abusive or corrupt. But statistically, many -- and maybe many
more -- are not. The definition of biased prejudice is when a blanket statement or a global generality is applied even to individuals, without regard
to the fact that they ARE individuals. Assuming someone is a corrupt lying murderer simply because they are a law enforcement officer is like assuming
someone is a criminal simply because they are a certain race. It is injust and immature, to understate it.

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