Forget about our basic needs or luxuries.
Let's assume there are two people , say adjacent farmers , each having the
same area of farm. One practices NF and the other chemical farming. If they
cultivate the same grain , say rice, and sell their excess produce at the
same rate , whose profitability will be more ? I am quite sure that the Nf
will give more money than chemical farming in such a case.

Acquiring wealth for the sake of luxury is a different issue . In fact it
is this mad race for quick money which helped chemical farming gain a foot
hold and became an octopus. Once being drawn into this vicious cycle
farmers find no way , no mental strength or determination rather, to come
out of the clutches of chemical farming.

Mr Karikalan sells his NF rice at Rs. 80/= per kilo while the chemically
grown superfine rice is available at Rs. 40/= per kilo in the open market.
Since there are just a few natural farmers , he is able to get such an
income. If natural farmers become the majority ( at least in future ) , I
don't think their produce will get such a high price since there will be
abundant supply of grains grown through NF. In such a case the prices will
definitely nosedive.

My point is not against NFs gain more money but my idea is to sell produce
of NF at a lower rate since it is economically viable, and give produce of
chemical farming a tough fight , making people consume healthy grains of NF
and popularise NF and edge out chemical farming in the long run.

Boovarahan S
Chennai.
09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)

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Yugandhar S

This may hurt a few. I think everyone is missing one point. Right now, we have a society which is being educated to believe by all means that Low price =

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This may hurt a few.

I think everyone is missing one point. Right now, we have a society which
is being 'educated' to believe by all means that 'Low price = Low quality'.
The consumer mindset must change. He must understand that 'value' not the
price and quality. So, if a NF saint is selling his produce with the modest
profits( i mean low price ), people will not believe in the first place,
that it is good food.

Any NFarmer who is able to produce enough to sell, WILL know that he has no
ethical right to price his produce equal to or higher than conventional
produce. But he need to put LOT of effort to explain to people why his
produce is cheaper despite it being better in every aspect than the
conventional produce. Probably until then, he can charge higher ( to
satisfy himself ) because he will help that consumer fed on chemicals to
avoid some trips to the doctor.

Food is not a commodity or service. It is the RIGHT of every living
creature. In fact it is LIFE. Please do not compare it with other excesses
of life including clothing. Future is not going to be easy and rosy. Our
loved conveniences of today are going to be the trouble makers of tomorrow.
I read an article about a lady in japan ( or some eastern nation) who sells
vegetables. She has earned lot of money by working in a market which closes
at 2 pm, but she sells up to 8 pm. That money is used to help poor people
who need expensive medical treatment. She started to do this (working from
3 am to 8 pm), after she realized that there of not enough money to save
the life of one of her family members. The only striking thing that I liked
was when she says that she still sleeps on the cold bare floor, because if
she sleeps on a mattress, she cannot get up at 3 am to start her days work
due to the comfort. That is how she is living up to her ideals.

In Telugu, there is saying : "Alu ledhu , choolu ledhu, koduku peru
somalingam". It means: "There is not wife yet, she is not pregnant yet, but
it is decided to name the son 'Somalingam'". Let the practicing NFarmers
grow food that satisfies their needs first and then go beyond.

> **
>
>
> Here is the link of a couple who had left their job and lives from income
> from farming. They don't do natural farming, but organic farming, kids are
> home schooled etc..
>
> http://jaindarpan.com/Ebooks/Ebooks_Word/Two_Thoreaus_Of_Sakwa_County.doc
>
> another report of the same couple in
>
> http://ananthoosupdates.blogspot.in/search/label/interesting%20folks -
> under the heading Extra ordinary couple
>
>
> Regards,
> Nandan
>
> ________________________________
> From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
> To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:13 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] creating markets for NF
>
>
>
> I am excited to know different views but my basic question is this :
>
> Forget about our basic needs or luxuries.
> Let's assume there are two people , say adjacent farmers , each having the
> same area of farm. One practices NF and the other chemical farming. If they
> cultivate the same grain , say rice, and sell their excess produce at the
> same rate , whose profitability will be more ? I am quite sure that the Nf
> will give more money than chemical farming in such a case.
>
> Acquiring wealth for the sake of luxury is a different issue . In fact it
> is this mad race for quick money which helped chemical farming gain a foot
> hold and became an octopus. Once being drawn into this vicious cycle
> farmers find no way , no mental strength or determination rather, to come
> out of the clutches of chemical farming.
>
> Mr Karikalan sells his NF rice at Rs. 80/= per kilo while the chemically
> grown superfine rice is available at Rs. 40/= per kilo in the open market.
> Since there are just a few natural farmers , he is able to get such an
> income. If natural farmers become the majority ( at least in future ) , I
> don't think their produce will get such a high price since there will be
> abundant supply of grains grown through NF. In such a case the prices will
> definitely nosedive.
>
> My point is not against NFs gain more money but my idea is to sell produce
> of NF at a lower rate since it is economically viable, and give produce of
> chemical farming a tough fight , making people consume healthy grains of NF
> and popularise NF and edge out chemical farming in the long run.
>
> Boovarahan S
> Chennai.
> 09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Boovarahan Srinivasan

Yugi ! Nice write up . Let s not bother about what others might say or think. Let s be honest to our conscience . While NFs like others require some other

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Yugi !

Nice write up .

Let's not bother about what others might say or think. Let's be honest to
our conscience .
While NFs like others require some other things than food , which have to
be bought by money , there is no harm in selling excess NF products for
profit , but not exorbitantly priced . And Nf is just a part of broader
perspective of understanding life and nature. The thought which occurred to
Fukuoka on his Satori was " Nature is perfect in all respects and there is
nothing to be done to improve it " . Once our minds tread the path of money
and material comforts , we start to deviate from nature . That's how
electric fans and aircons have taken precedence over simple hand made palm
leaf fans and just enjoying natural breeze.

My view is we can not change the world but we can change ourselves. Most of
our members may not agree but the hard fact is this. So many great people
in all over the world have tried to do this but in vain. People who seek
truth and nature have always been a minority and will continue to be. But
those minority can have their doubts cleared by interaction / exchange of
views from other members of similar purpose.

> This may hurt a few.
>
> I think everyone is missing one point. Right now, we have a society which
> is being 'educated' to believe by all means that 'Low price = Low quality'.
> The consumer mindset must change. He must understand that 'value' not the
> price and quality. So, if a NF saint is selling his produce with the modest
> profits( i mean low price ), people will not believe in the first place,
> that it is good food.
>
> Any NFarmer who is able to produce enough to sell, WILL know that he has no
> ethical right to price his produce equal to or higher than conventional
> produce. But he need to put LOT of effort to explain to people why his
> produce is cheaper despite it being better in every aspect than the
> conventional produce. Probably until then, he can charge higher ( to
> satisfy himself ) because he will help that consumer fed on chemicals to
> avoid some trips to the doctor.
>
> Food is not a commodity or service. It is the RIGHT of every living
> creature. In fact it is LIFE. Please do not compare it with other excesses
> of life including clothing. Future is not going to be easy and rosy. Our
> loved conveniences of today are going to be the trouble makers of tomorrow.
> I read an article about a lady in japan ( or some eastern nation) who sells
> vegetables. She has earned lot of money by working in a market which closes
> at 2 pm, but she sells up to 8 pm. That money is used to help poor people
> who need expensive medical treatment. She started to do this (working from
> 3 am to 8 pm), after she realized that there of not enough money to save
> the life of one of her family members. The only striking thing that I liked
> was when she says that she still sleeps on the cold bare floor, because if
> she sleeps on a mattress, she cannot get up at 3 am to start her days work
> due to the comfort. That is how she is living up to her ideals.
>
> In Telugu, there is saying : "Alu ledhu , choolu ledhu, koduku peru
> somalingam". It means: "There is not wife yet, she is not pregnant yet, but
> it is decided to name the son 'Somalingam'". Let the practicing NFarmers
> grow food that satisfies their needs first and then go beyond.
>
> Best Regards
> Yugandhar
>

Boovarahan S
Chennai.
09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)

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Harish Amur

Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including clothing. You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not influenced by

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"Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including clothing."

You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.

"there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
exorbitantly priced ."

I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is my
opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'. When I
sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
money.

> Please do not compare it with other excesses
> of life including clothing.
>

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Yugandhar S

Harish ji, I was not at all referring to your writing about the price of clothing. In fact, what you wrote was correct. My intention was to say that food is

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Harish ji,
I was not at all referring to your writing about the price of clothing.
In fact, what you wrote was correct. My intention was to say that food is
the one and only 'MUST' requirement to sustain life for the vast majority
of beings ( leaving aside spiritually evolved beings called yogis, saints,
rishis etc who are believed to forgo even food for extremely long periods).

I was talking to everyone who wrote earlier on this thread, not any single
person.

> **
>
>
> "Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including clothing."
>
> You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
> influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
> reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.
>
>
> "there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
> exorbitantly priced ."
>
> I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is my
> opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'. When I
> sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
> which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
> price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
> money.
>
> Regards,
> Harish
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...> wrote:
>
> > Please do not compare it with other excesses
> > of life including clothing.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Raju Titus

Dear friends, I am growing grain,vegetables ,fruits,milk for my family ,workers and for my friends, if excess send to market .And Share these things with

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Dear friends,
I am growing grain,vegetables ,fruits,milk for my family ,workers and
for my friends, if excess send to market .And Share these things with
severely ill cansor like patients. Seeds are also in demand. I am selling
fire woods which is coming from my farm in abundance in half prize. What i
want to say that growing in abundance is only possible in NF. Growing base
must be first for ourselves than for market. For natural things i am not
going in market consumers cumming to my farm.
Community base agriculture which is suggested by Koshikji is also good
way for natural farmers and non farming community which knows natural is
better. Burden of marketing should be shared by consumers directly. Natural
farmer always be happy in sharing things in lower prize with honer.
We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious
things.
Raju

> **
>
>
> "Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including clothing."
>
> You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
> influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
> reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.
>
>
> "there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
> exorbitantly priced ."
>
> I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is my
> opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'. When I
> sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
> which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
> price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
> money.
>
> Regards,
> Harish
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...> wrote:
>
> > Please do not compare it with other excesses
> > of life including clothing.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

> Dear friends,
> I am growing grain,vegetables ,fruits,milk for my family ,workers and
> for my friends, if excess send to market .And Share these things with
> severely ill cansor like patients. Seeds are also in demand. I am selling
> fire woods which is coming from my farm in abundance in half prize. What i
> want to say that growing in abundance is only possible in NF. Growing base
> must be first for ourselves than for market. For natural things i am not
> going in market consumers cumming to my farm.
> Community base agriculture which is suggested by Koshikji is also good
> way for natural farmers and non farming community which knows natural is
> better. Burden of marketing should be shared by consumers directly. Natural
> farmer always be happy in sharing things in lower prize with honer.
> We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious
> things.
> Raju
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Harish Amur <harishamur@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > "Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including
> clothing."
> >
> > You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
> > influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
> > reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.
> >
> >
> > "there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
> > exorbitantly priced ."
> >
> > I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is
> my
> > opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'.
> When I
> > sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
> > which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
> > price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
> > money.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harish
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Please do not compare it with other excesses
> > > of life including clothing.
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
> +919179738049.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
> fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
> http://rishikheti.blogspot.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Anant Joglekar

That s that, The last line We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious things is very important and one should engrave it on one s

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, Feb 6, 2012

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That's that, The last line "We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious things" is very important and one should engrave it on one's soul while LIVING NF.

anant joglekar
9423089706

The ultimate goal of natural farming is not simply growing crops but the cultivation and perfection of human beings. Masanobu Fukuoka

>________________________________
> From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
>To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 6 February 2012 11:12 AM
>Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] creating markets for NF
>
>Dear friends,
> I am growing grain,vegetables ,fruits,milk for my family ,workers and
>for my friends, if excess send to market .And Share these things with
>severely ill cansor like patients. Seeds are also in demand. I am selling
>fire woods which is coming from my farm in abundance in half prize. What i
>want to say that growing in abundance is only possible in NF. Growing base
>must be first for ourselves than for market. For natural things i am not
>going in market consumers cumming to my farm.
> Community base agriculture which is suggested by Koshikji is also good
>way for natural farmers and non farming community which knows natural is
>better. Burden of marketing should be shared by consumers directly. Natural
>farmer always be happy in sharing things in lower prize with honer.
> We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious
>things.
>Raju
>
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Harish Amur <harishamur@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> "Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including clothing."
>>
>> You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
>> influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
>> reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.
>>
>>
>> "there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
>> exorbitantly priced ."
>>
>> I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is my
>> opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'. When I
>> sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
>> which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
>> price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
>> money.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Harish
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Please do not compare it with other excesses
>> > of life including clothing.
>> >
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
>+919179738049.
>http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
>fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
>http://rishikheti.blogspot.com/
>
>
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>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Yugandhar S

Raju Sir, Salutes to your wisdom. You hit the nail bang on!!! Regards Yugandhar ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Dear friends,
> I am growing grain,vegetables ,fruits,milk for my family ,workers and
> for my friends, if excess send to market .And Share these things with
> severely ill cansor like patients. Seeds are also in demand. I am selling
> fire woods which is coming from my farm in abundance in half prize. What i
> want to say that growing in abundance is only possible in NF. Growing base
> must be first for ourselves than for market. For natural things i am not
> going in market consumers cumming to my farm.
> Community base agriculture which is suggested by Koshikji is also good
> way for natural farmers and non farming community which knows natural is
> better. Burden of marketing should be shared by consumers directly. Natural
> farmer always be happy in sharing things in lower prize with honer.
> We feel not good in sitting near by roads for sailing our precious
> things.
> Raju
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Harish Amur <harishamur@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > "Please do not compare it with other excesses of life including
> clothing."
> >
> > You misunderstood me. I was trying to tell you that when you are not
> > influenced by the market forces, many basic things can also be sold at a
> > reasonable price. And I gave example of clothing too.
> >
> >
> > "there is no harm in selling excess NF products for profit , but not
> > exorbitantly priced ."
> >
> > I am not sure if this line is challenging any of my writing, but here is
> my
> > opinion. I never said that NF produce should be sold at 'no-profit'.
> When I
> > sold my jaggery at the market price, I did make around Rs. 20 per kilo,
> > which is quite good. However I could have sold it at double the market
> > price, as the organic produce sells, I could have made much much more
> > money.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harish
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Please do not compare it with other excesses
> > > of life including clothing.
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
> +919179738049.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
> fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
> http://rishikheti.blogspot.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Boovarahan Srinivasan

I have heard that in some organic farms ( not Nf ) , the farmers had no difficulty in selling their produce. The affluent come in cars at the time of harvest

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, Feb 7, 2012

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I have heard that in some organic farms ( not Nf ) , the farmers had no
difficulty in selling their produce. The affluent come in cars at the time
of harvest and take away the produce by giving cash . They are not
merchants or middlemen but they buy it for their own use.

Raju sir is definitely a yogi , that's why he sells the excess produce at
cheaper rates. I don't think everybody will follow him in the marketing
line but I am sure his methods are real eye opener for a good number of us.
Kudos to him and his noble mind.

Dear friend, This is not noble or yogi work this is a simple rule if you are getting sufficient amount in simple and easy work of sailing things and your

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, Feb 7, 2012

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Dear friend,
This is not noble or yogi work this is a simple rule if you are getting
sufficient amount in simple and easy work of sailing things and your
product coming to you in less effort.Overall marketing in high prize is not
easy work. Only middle man can do this work not farmer.
Raju