"We all love animals. Why do we call some "pets" and others "dinner?" ~K.D. Lang

"Recognize meat for what it really is: the antibiotic- and pesticide-laden corpse of a tortured animal" ~Ingrid Newkirk

"Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them" ~Samuel Butler

"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love" ~Pythagoras

"While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?" ~George Bernard Shaw

"Truely man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds theirs. We live by the death of others: we are burial places! I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look on the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men" ~Leonardo da Vinci

"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." ~Leo Tolstoy

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet" ~Albert Einstein

"I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals" ~Henry David Thoreau

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages" ~Thomas Edison

"I think there will come a time, and this is down the road a great many years, when civilized people will look back in horror on our generation and the ones that have preceded it: the idea that we should eat other living things running around on four legs, that we should raise them just for the purpose of killing them! The people of the future will say, 'meat-eaters' in disgust and regard us in the same way that we regard cannibals and cannibalism" ~Dennis Weaver

"To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of man. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime." ~Romain Rolland

"I venture to maintain that there are multitudes to whom the necessity of discharging the duties of a butcher would be so inexpressibly painful and revolting, that if they could obtain a flesh diet on no other condition, they would relinquish it forever" ~W.E.H. Lecky

"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity" ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I think if you want to eat more meat you should kill it yourself and eat it raw so that you are not blinded by the hypocrisy of having it processed for you" ~Margi Clark

"As soon as I realized that I didn't need meat to survive or to be in good health, I began to see how forlorn it all is. If only we had a different mentality about the drama of the cowboy and the range and all the rest of it. It's a very romantic notion, an entrenched part of American culture, but I've seen, for example, pigs waiting to be slaughtered, and their hysteria and panic was something I shall never forget" ~Cloris Leachman

"A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore if he eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral" ~Leo Tolstoy

"It is only by softening and disguising dead flesh by culinary preparation that it is rendered susceptible of mastication or digestion, and that the sight of its bloody juices and raw horror does not excite intolerable loathing and disgust" ~Percy Shelley

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. I should be unwilling to take the life of a lamb for the sake of the human body" ~Mahatma Ghandi

"To become vegetarian is to step into the stream which leads to nirvana" ~Gautama Buddha

"People think of animals as if they were vegetables, and that is not right. We have to change the way people think about animals. I encourage the Tibetan people and all people to move toward a vegetarian diet that doesn't cause suffering" ~The Dalai Lama

"Intellectually, human beings and animals may be different, but it's pretty obvious that animals have a rich emotional life and that they feel joy and pain. It's easy to forget the connection between a hamburger and the cow it came from. But I forced myself to acknowledge the fact that every time I ate a hamburger, a cow had ceased to breathe and moo and walk around. There are viable (and usually better) alternatives to the use of animals for food, sport, clothing, & experimentation. I beg you to discontinue any actions that might cause or condone animal torture, abuse, or destruction" ~Moby

A veteran USDA meat inspector from Texas describes what he has seen: "Cattle dragged and choked... knocking 'em four, five, ten times. Every now and then when they're stunned they come back to life, and they're up there agonizing. They're supposed to be re-stunned but sometimes they aren't and they'll go through the skinning process alive. I've worked in four large [slaughterhouses] and a bunch of small ones. They're all the same. If people were to see this, they'd probably feel really bad about it. But in a packing house everybody gets so used to it that it doesn't mean anything." ~Slaughterhouse 1997

"Vegetarianism serves as the criterion by which we know that the pursuit of moral perfection on the part of humanity is genuine and sincere ... If he be really and seriously seeking to live a good life, the first thing from which he will abstain will always be the use of animal food, because ... its use is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to the moral feeling -- Killing" ~Leo Tolstoy

"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?" ~George Bernard Shaw

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This is clearly an attempt to make, "meat-eaters" look bad, evil, and murderous.

This is a very divisive move on Atlantean Conspiracy - and not the first time.

Even if we did all move to eating vegan and raw...it is not going to change who and what our rulers are...we'll simply have a new pecking order: Meat Eaters are heretics of the NWO of Raw/Veganism - with Raw/Vegans as the new gods of the Environmental charade.

Guilt and FEAR - two great weapons of these, "raw vegan" proponents who demand that we love all things 3D in order to save it from its imminent, and inevitable doom.

Does anyone feel that this whole going raw thing is very much reaching the status of a a religious cult? And - is this whole going raw thing very much similar to the Environmental movement to get to take care of the earth, the air, and the water?

I know he sounds quite obsessed, but, what he actually seeks to root out, I believe, is not meat itself, after all were naturally 100% omnivorous, it is the commercial meat that has fallen on the hands of great industries which pour great amount of chemicals on it, the same case goes with vegetables and fruits, specially in north America, they have become so altered that they barely provide any nutrition at all, apart from intoxicating the population, chronically.

1. Do you think that we (humans) are not on top of the food chain and we're being consumed by other unseen entities? 2. If you do, then do you believe that not eating meat is putting you out of this equation, and somehow (in energy terms) you are not being food source for "gods"?

For Anon and Max, you're over-intellectualizing something that's very simple. Step out of your brains and into your hearts. Flesh-eating contributes heavily to the suffering and violence in the world. Vegetarianism promotes peace and health. Whether I'm "food for the gods" or "top of the food chain" is irrelevant.

Eating fruits and vegetables instead of corpses is not cult behavior, it's the natural compassionate way to live on this planet. I'm not "attempting to make you look bad, evil and murderous" ... killing animals because you think they taste good already makes you look bad and murderous without my help.

Continuing your logic, we should end up on Breatharianism and try to get energized only by the power of the sun.

In my observation and understanding of things, nature with all their beauty is not kind. It is dominant and greedy. Natural beings seek their own survival, and exploit the weaknesses in other "lesser" beings to accomplish their surety of existence. The only partnerships in nature are those that exist for the benefit of both parties. Nature does not teach equality of all things living, it teaches survival. From the micro to the macro, every organism without exception is harming other organisms out of the "necessity" to survive, whether directly or by competing for resources.

The spider snares and paralyses the ant, entombing it as food for its yet unborn young; The carpenter ant slowly eats the oak tree to death; The oaks over time choke out all the birches; The crow snatches the fragile young robin from the nest of its' frantic parents as they vainly try to fight the crow off...and it goes on and on, both up and down, all of it perfectly observable.

Every breath we take destroys small airborne organisms Every bite of food is taken at the expense of destroying living organisms

Beside it's irrelevant if you eat meat or not when you are still dependent on the system and not making your own food.

Sometimes the hypocrisy on both sides of this suppose conflict is laughable. On side of the fence there are meat eaters, who are so adorable with their love towards animals, that for example after seeing "Babe The Gallant Pig" they are going to eat some bacon after the movie. On the other hand - we've got non-meat eaters who change their perception, fooling their egos with their conviction that they don't do any harm to plant kingdom.

There is a reason that we as humans are omnivore. The existence of species being dependent on just only one type of food that can be deplete is always uncertain. Many species of birds seized to exist just only by eating one type of insects, who later migrate to areas unreachable by birds. Marsupial dependent on Eucalyptus won't survive in grubbed areas.

It's all about bio-challenge and adaptation. Diversifying your menu is the only way to not get surprised in case if nature or rather the "mad scientists" will place you in environment deprived of delicious vegetables and fruits

Reality is that weather you eat meat or not you are still a test subject to forces that probably few will understand.

One thing more, as I more observe vegetarians the more similarities I notice with evangelical Christians. The former replaced devil whit meat, preaching that eating it will cause my demise.

Max, at the moment most everyone on Earth including myself has abundant access to fresh fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, sprouts... as well as meat. If for some reason that changed, perhaps I would consider "diversifying my menu" (though I doubt it), but until then, I'm going to eat the healthiest and most compassionate diet I can. Darwin be damned :P

Did you know it takes 5 times the amount of grain/land to feed cows, than if we just ate the grain? In other words we could have 5 times the yield, quicker, healthier, cheaper, less hunger in the world. Plus you're not demonically feeding and looking after a cow waiting for the day it is most financially viable to kill it and eat it. How can you say that animal was loved or free if you decided it's fate before it was even born, caged it, got it nice and fat, then killed it while still in its prime?

As Druv mentioned, fruits and vegetables replace themselves and multiply when gardened correctly. Meat doesn't. You cut one stalk and two grow back in it's place. You eat one fruit, plant the seeds, and many more grow back in it's place. The only way to replace your meat is to force your captive animals to reproduce before you kill them. Are you all for animal eugenics?

Vegetarianism is sustainable, healthy, and compassionate. Flesh-eating is far less sustainable, unhealthy, and careless.

About your point on eating grain and being resourceful. Read this short comic story and put greedy masses instead of reindeers.http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3246/201102stmatthewisland.png

Another thing, try to present your arguments to people from The Nuer tribe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0VBnrIkAtA

They are quite good example of how the era of food foraging had begun it's trip into the past and hunters, gatherers emerged and pastoralism came into existence AKA Pastoral farming, the branch of agriculture concerned in the raising of livestock.

Cattle gave pastoralist tribes their every demanding necessity and it was the pastoral farmer's job to ensure the safety and survival of his cattle.

Without pastoralism humans would still be at a food foraging level and there would be no progress. Pastoralist tribes learned to utilize every single part of their cattle. Absolutely ensuring that no part of the cattle goes to waste. Watch 10:13 - 10:56 even the burn shit of their cattle has it's uses, like cleaning your teeth, face and the rest of your body with it. They utilize every part possible because they are forever grateful for the resources provided by NATURE.

This example has got some other deep implications. "Mad scientists" just like Nuer tribe know what to do with their power over the masses by first learning how to maintain actual livestock. They learned how to extract everything (energy) they needed from their cattle (food source) through the ways of pastoralism. To waste a resource (not putting it into use) and using a resource with no knowledge on how to extract it's energy, is deemed irresponsible.

The first link you provided shows that the deer was introduced into an environment which did not belong to that biosphere. If a predator was also introduced then the population would have been balanced.

We being humans, are completely different creatures. We have the power of the mind and heart as well. We completely disrupt the natures biosphere if our actions are negative. We have the power to control our actions unlike animals who are completely driven by instinct.

I would like to quote what you wrote "Pastoralist tribes learned to utilize every single part of their cattle. Absolutely ensuring that no part of the cattle goes to waste.Watch 10:13 - 10:56 even the burn shit of their cattle has it's uses, like cleaning your teeth, face and the rest of your body with it.They utilize every part possible because they are forever grateful for the resources provided by NATURE."

This is completely correct, similar case with the people of India. In the Ayurveda, the cow is considered to be the holiest animal. And every thing derived from them is utilized. In villages, they still burn cow dung after drying it out, rest is used as manure. However, the bull is used in farm fields for farming and for bullock carts.

However, the people of Sanatan dharma never killed their cattle for food. The cow is considered to be like the mother, why? because if the real mother dies in childbirth, cows milk could be given to save the child from hunger. ( this was what was followed in ancient India, and still today)They are still vegetarians, most of them any way.

Had meat eating been so bad, we would have ended it a long time ago. This whole charade is the most divisive and self-adoring movement I have ever seen...the people who are promoting these healthy, super-duper foods THINK they know something we don't. Don't kid yourself.

Meat is meat - and as for fruits and vegetables - I have nothing against that either. I just don't favour milk - as I am lactose intolerant.

Its not about being selfish or moronic, its about protecting the life of the innocent. Factory farmed animals suffer great atrocities, the blood of the innocent that is shed will destroy the ones who take their lives. Its a simple concept.

A lot of great ideas flowing back and forth. I sympathize with both arguments.

Civilization as a whole is over-using our rational mind and intellect to the effect that we have an overpopulated planet contributing to an essentially violent food industry among other things. The slaughterhouse is an example of civilization in excess.

I do not endorse veganism. I think it is another extreme that is probably in excess. But I also disapprove of the glutinous civilization we have created.

I remember the first time I prepared meat to be cooked. I was skinning chicken legs and it was horrible. It stank and I felt disgusted.

At the same time, I have eaten meat all my life, and I am a peaceful person without the inclination to violence. But then I never had to work in a slaughterhouse either.

I think your body and mind do feel better when you eat more raw fruits and vegetables, nuts, and keep a vegetarian diet. But I am sure that if it were necessary to survive in nature, I would welcome meat in my diet, and I would be hungry enough to hunt and kill the aminal myself. But the attitude toward this act should be reverent, one's heart should always be thankful to the animal for becoming sustenance. This is far from the case in slaughterhouses.

There is no right and wrong in this discussion. The only solution is moderation and balance. Give vegetarian diet a chance. Be reflective and ask yourself if it makes a difference in your life.

I have also imagined what would happen if we started to revere vegetables the same way we revere animals and stop eating them too. Would we start producing synthetic sources of nourishment? Would that be anymore enlightened? I'm not sure. Maybe it's irrelevant.

But let's think about this...North Americans don't look very highly upon eating dogs. But this is very normal in China, where they eat everything. You don't see slaughterhouses full of plump super genetically meaty dogs in North America. It's just not cool, for whatever socially acceptable pish posh reason. Generally, as a society we give more respect to dogs than we do cows or whatever. So we don't kill and eat them either. So given this, there is no reason we can't extend our reverence for dogs (our pets) to the animals in the slaughterhouse. Like the title of this blog goes, "Stop eating my friends!"

That's right Anon. If vege diet would be the basic key that we need to see through the "matrix lies", that in this case it wouldn't be promoted as it is by the mainstream or alternative media (same shit). I don't see much vege people turning to be poly math geniuses after dropping meat (not saying that I'm one) Duv your mantra about animal suffering is just like christian talk about inviting Jesus to my heart.

One more thing. As for the second movie in Eric's post. That which starts with the touching sentence from Paul McCartney. Do you know that he is a synthetic clone replacement of real Paul who was killed in 1966. I'm trying to point out that if such "people" like him and other replaced celebrities are promoting vege way of life, that means nothing but another dead end in our web of lies.

In ancient days slaves were fed only by bread, water and fruits, where in the meantime their masters diversified their own menu with meat. Think about that.

Well i did not explain my concept completely, my path comes from sanatan dharma. In sanatan dharma, each soul goes through 84 million cycle of rebirth and in it you can also become an animal or an insect depending upon your "karma" the deeds you do. If you get a chance to be human in those life cycle, it is a fortunate chance because only in this state we can understand the true concept of God, and our final destination. You don't have to invite any one into your heart, you just have to understand the nature of the universe and walk the highest path.

If you are reborn as an animal, would you like to go through what these animals go through? I don't think so.

Life deserves to be protected, no matter what kind of life it is. If you walk the highest path or not, is up to you.

I'm not sure about this Vegetarian/Green conspiracy that is trying to get more people to become health conscious and protect the planet. Maybe global warming is a myth but I don't see how becoming vegetarian makes people weak. It certainly doesn't.

Vegetarians have been around for thousands of years, and they have been living long, healthy, strong lives. Many meditative disciplines make use of vegetarianism to gain higher spiritual awareness. Vegetarianism and fasting have been two prerequisites that meditative disciplines use for developing consious and spiritual awareness.

Some of the physically strongest animals survive on grass...

But I really don't think it is wrong to eat meat, it is only the excesses of our current civilization that have made it ridiculous! This is compounded by the fact that we have access to healthier sources of food without the need for meat.

In the short term, meat is great! But if you use anything too much imbalances occur. You can mess yourself up with a vegetarian diet too if you don't eat a balanced diet.

So funny that eating plants is considered "extreme." Vegans aren't the ones killing and eating dead animals, or inseminating cows and taking their milk, or consuming chicken secretions. That's extreme.

And those of you who have commented that humans are omnivores, please do some research. While we are funcionally omnivores, we are anatomically frugivores/herbivores. Compare our teeth, digestive tracts, nails/hands, eyesight, speed etc., and it is obvious that we're most similar to frugivorous animals. Even if you could hunt down an animal with your bare hands (or tools, because yes, we do have the intelligence to create them), you would not relish tearing into it's raw flesh and letting the blood, entrails, and bone flecks spatter your face. This is what carnivores and true omnivores do, without an ounce of guilt. Herbivores likewise feel no guilt eating plants, because it is their physiologically correct food.

Back in the 1990s, COLORS magazine featured dogs in Korea hung on meat hooks upside down, and TORCHED, then disemboweled--ALL WHILE STILL ALIVE so that they will produce the highest concentration of adrenaline highly prized as this is thought to increase masculinity in men.

why Sanatan Dharma/ hindu/ hinduism always since the beginning talked about being a complete vegetarian has a much deeper meaning.

All the different spheres in the Vedas were based upon the theory of the 5 elements- earth, fire, wind, water, Aether.

In Ayurveda - which is the practice of herbal medicine was also based upon the concepts of the 5 elements.

Plants are a much more pure form of energy, the 5 elements within each type of plan remained a constant and hence it was easier to calculate how it was going to affect our system.

However, an animal is a much more complex form of energy, just like us. You can never predict how their energy will affect your system. Their "Karma" ( their deeds )of the animal, their positive and negative emotions are deep rooted into their flesh, just like ours.

When you eat them, you take in their unstable and imbalanced energies, hence making your system even more unbalanced.

However, eating the right combinations of herbs, and plants you would get the perfect desired result.

N-spot:I would rather say that it's all about mind/ego traps. For sure eating pure organic foods is without any doubts beneficial to us, but thinking that it's the only way to improve your internal self to me is just making your mental cage a little bit larger.

DruvWith all the respect. As I said earlier. If you are so enlightenment, and see through all the veils of deception why don't you switch to Inedia.

AnonYour right about the digestive tracts, but theres a reason that we've got gastric acids as well, which are helpful in digestion foods we eat.

Druv: The question is. Does Vatican hijacked the "true" meaning of that symbol or do they continue the sinister agenda behind it? It certainly stand for penis intersecting but not necessarily the vagina. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbuyGQdk0k

oo some thing crazy, if u eliminate the "T" in the word "diet", what is left?

your diet remark is completely irrelevant, i basically used the word to show what i needed to show.

The Romans assimilated the people who used to live there, and assimilated them completely. That is why Catholics has "pagan" rituals like fasting.

The word pagan is a Greek word, which was picked up by the Romans as a derogatory word.

In India, the shiva lingum was a design which represented the point of creation of new life as well as a representation of the formless God shiva. People used this design in Architecture to always remind them of God. In Sanatan Dharma, every thing is pointed towards God.

As i was going through manipulated history by the British East India company, who had employed Max muller to warp thousands of years of history of India.

Thank you Eric for posting the comments of these wise Beings. As a child I lived a few miles from a 24/7 slaughterhouse and heard the crying of the animals all night long. Needless to say, I cannot eat meat..not so much for my health but for the health of the animals.

I would like to show you some interesting place where they're playing with people's minds. Placing them in another kind of mental boxes.

http://www.mum.edu/index.html Maharishi University of Management which offers "consciousness-based education" that includes practice of the Transcendental Meditation techniques.

...and how they feed their studentsThe University operates an organic vegetable farm including a 1-acre (4,000 m2), year-round greenhouse, which provides their students and faculty with a 100% organic food program.

...and what kind of individuals promotes that placehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9CzJkxKKd0

- In this video above your not looking at real humans neither "reptilians or other demons" (but that's a topic for another discussion)

There is war for our minds and whether you eat meat or not is irrelevant. Quarreling about this is just one of many distractions that keep us away from seeing the genuine picture.

Max, with all due respect, you are simply wrong about humans being omnivores. We are much closer to being herbivores. Human bodies, like all living beings, are made with the tools needed to eat what they were meant to. For example, a true carnivore (such as a wolf) has an intestine only about 12 inches long; a human's intestine is quite a bit longer, as an understatement. Our digestive systems are simply not made to process flesh. Also, our teeth. Again, take the teeth of any carnivore, sharp and able to tear flesh. A human's teeth are what is called grinding teeth meant to grind grains, grasses, leaves, etc. Similar to a cow, among other herbivore animals. Also, the original diet of humans was not based on flesh-eating, the original "food-finders" were gatherers. This means they brought back food that was plants, berries, fruits, etc. Hunting only began later in the evolution of "cave-man." Interestingly, gatherers were women and hunters were men. If you want to make statements with such certainty, please be sure you have your facts correct. It is possible to eat living things from the earth in a spiritually, emotionally, and physically healthy way. When humans consume meat, whether hunted and killed by the one eating, or purchased in a supermarket, it is still dead food. Food from the earth is living and provides a far better diet for the health of humans. I would not call you names, however, there is still a level of ignorance on your part that I believe is not because you are stupid - not at all - but rather raised in the same society as the rest of us, that manipulated our minds and belief systems that consuming flesh is necessary and "good for us" and we were taught this from an early age, simply so large business and corporations can exist.

If you all non-meat eaters would be consistent in your supposed respect for life then you all would end up on extreme fruitarianism eating only fruits that has fallen from the tree. But even than you would be still participating in this dance of life and death we called existence.

As science research shows plant kingdom is as conscious as animal kingdom. Your statements about putting yourself in place of an animal in the same time ridding out of the equation vegetation is just pure hypocrisy.

Think for a moment how much life cease to exist during our daily base functioning (whether it's happening in conscious, unconscious or unable to control manner)

A farmer plowing the soil kills a lot of worms - either directly, or exposing them to birds. Similarly, when you use combine harvester, a lot of small animals like rabbits and rodents are gone. A whole array of agricultural practices with the use of chemicals is to kill certain living organisms, which are an obstacle to the development of crops. Does it mean would should give up farming, which is also the source of vegetarian food?

Animal world is also the microbes that destroy the daily hygiene procedures, for both our bodies and spaces used by us.

So, we are all killers, whether we like it or not. Vegetarianism as a philosophical attitude is just an infantile form of escape from this truth. Unfortunately it is how this matrix is design.

Plants may be conscious, but they don't have nervous systems and pain receptors. They don't have families. They don't suffer, cry, scream, and release adrenaline when I pick them. They don't live in captivity until the day we murder them.

Fruits, vegetables, sprouts, grains, nuts, and seeds are meant to be eaten... nature makes this abundantly clear for those with eyes to see. Likewise animals are meant to live lives and have families just like humans... they are not meant to be eaten... nature makes this too abundantly clear for those with hearts that can still feel and haven't calloused over from years of conditioning.

Your inability to distinguish between the morality of flesh-eating and vegetarianism is childish, but you've done a great job convincing yourself. Way to brainwash yourself out of compassion!

There's a big difference between the dead ant I find stuck to my foot after yoga, and the dead cow sitting in your stomach after your hamburger. The ant on my foot has no karma attached to it, the cow in your stomach does.

Max, i hope you you see the truth some day that everything in the world comes from the same source and we being "humans" have a great responsibility towards the world. I hope you understand that responsibility and walk the higher path.

There is no hypocrisy in protecting life, needlessly taking it would be considered as one.

The Modern science you talk about is a warped/ nurfed version of the original.

In the 1800's, the so called "age of enlightenment" was used to remove the concept of God an Aether from Science.

It was a war between the Vatican church and scientists who questioned the concept of God, and the people of the Vatican failed to explain the logic behind the existence of God.

The concept of God that existed in Science helped protect the world from the negative effects that Science could cause towards the whole world. With such a concept removed- you can see the result clearly.

Global warming, use of plastic - that takes thousands of years to disintegrate, nuclear waste destroying the environment, fertilizers causing mutations in frogs etc etc

The concept of "Aether" is one of the 5 elements of the vedas. This portrays the true source! The true source of knowledge of science and God.

If you questions this, then think where do the concepts like - yoga, mantra, guru, reincarnation, chackras, meditation, pundits etc etc etc came from?

The more you speak the more I'm convinced of what the future holds. Regardless of how degenerated humans have become, simultaneously there is an ongoing attempt (easy detectable one) to establish the whole environmental - eco freak movement. Don't worry the masters you're exposing (and underestimate btw) are on the same side methodically and patiently convincing and inviting you to go green.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWJtS2VpYm0&feature=related

But you won't be enjoying this paradise too much. Master manipulators are not stupid (maybe psychotic but not retarded).With their knowledge of how earth/time works and how it goes through 4 phases (ever wonder what the pyramid really stand for) they feel they have been emasculated by having to live with the indignation of hiding in the gutters to maintain their power. They want to be out in the open - free to frolic openly in the green kingdom.

So it won't "end" on some mindless depopulation, because they know how to govern the energy you're creating regardless of your diet. And that's why there are prisons and camps on mars and moon waiting for you. As I said earlier no part of the cattle goes to waste.

I'm well aware of the con-cept of "Ather". Of course by coincidence the class of organic compounds that put people SLEEP or eventually kill them shares the same name. So do not scare me with your concepts of karma and reincarnation. In stead of this try to do some research on nuclear power. You might be surprised of what you will or rather WON'T find.

Max, you are incorrect about who the vegetarian argument serves. The "otherness" that allows people to view animals as insignificant and worthy of being consumed is the same thing that contributes to sexism, racism, classism, and yes, elitism. If we can perceive animals this way and treat animals this way, it's not a huge leap to perceiving and treating various people groups (Jews, women, the poor) as objects too.

The way you view animals is the same way the elites view you. As long as humans see sentient creatures as insignificant and unworthy of respect, we will continue to degrade humans as well. A factory farm and a gas chamber have lots in common.

Max:Your replies suggest some ideas about conspiracies that I've never heard before. Perhaps some links to some of the ideas you have mentioned would be helpful to point people in the right direction. For example, I'm not sure what you mean by your comment about nuclear energy. Maybe you don't have to post everything, but maybe some you think are the important ideas. Thanks,

To add to Anon,we would also have to find it agreeable for beings superior to us to eat/manipulate/enslave us as well if we eat/manipulate/enslave beings we deem lower than us.

But according to some theories this is already happening. We are enslaved, manipulated, and eaten. Maybe it's just the nature of things?

I guess the crux of the argument is does any being have the right to eat/manipulate/enslave another being superior or not. This is what vegetarians hope to avoid AS BEST AS possible.

So, if you consider that this is impossible, since you have to eat vegetables, then you must also agree that given other beings exist that have eaten/manipulated/enslaved humans this is also part of the nature of things. Is it not part of their nature just as the wolf that eats an unlucky human? If that is the case, then one ought to just sit back, relax and enjoy the matrix.

"Man’s structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food.” ---- Swedish scientist Karl von Linne.

Eric I agree with everything you have said on this site, your views resonates with me a lot. Humans are vegetarians by nature, our digestive system is not built for digesting meat. I think humanity has been conditioned and forced to eat meat by this modern consumer society, religions and govt., It is well known that people who eat eggs and meat are more susceptible to suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc.

All wild animals eat meat in raw form, a carnivorous or omnivorous animal will never eat cooked food. A human being cannot eat raw meat, because he is not carnivorous or omnivorous.

An animal releases several poisonous stress toxins when he is slaughtered, and even after cooking these toxins remains in the meat and can severely affect human beings.

The feces of domestic animals like goat, chicken and cow etc. contains essential minerals and anti bacterial substances, that acts as a natural manure and makes soil fertile. In-fact cow dung and cow urine are used in India to make natural manure and pesticides for the crops.

http://www.worldcow.org/Cow_Wealth.html

Animals are on earth to make our lives better, but humanity is making their life a hell.

-------------A song----------------We forgot we were kidnapped and forced to eat meat, we ate from the earth so we communicated with it, we cut the connection and now check the situation....

N-Spot:What I meant about nuclear energy is this. Nukes whether are weapons or power plants simply don't exist. The first ones are usually fire bombs (those were used in Nagasaki & Hiroshima) The second are simply disguised coal power plants. Infamous mushroom clouds can be made using adequate quantity of dynamite/explosions materials.

Some implications of the atom bomb hoax:- All governments of the planet involved are conspiring in this lie (new world order actually old world order repackaged).- Those companies said to be storing nuclear waste deep underground have nothing toxic to bury there.- Depleted Uranium (DU) is a hoax.- Man does not have the means to destroy the planet in one massive nuclear exchange (master manipulators are more respectful towards nature that it may seems to be)- Nations keep provoking each other in spite of the doctrine of mutually assured destruction which is illogical if the bomb is true.

Ask your self a simple question. If you had a deadliest weapon in the world. Why would you be faking how this weapon works. Throughout history every video showing nuke blast is manipulated. You won't find any authentic one.

Check out these sites to get familiar with nuke subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7RQJyt-BzMhttp://nukelies.com/forum/

There are so much layers of this matrix we are living.This video is worth a thousand words :)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw2R7y65nFg

Druv:One more thing about the Aether. You are already participating in it not even know it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EthernetDo you think that everyone with who you make conversations on the internet is a real person made of flesh, and I'm not talking about web bots. I highly recommend you to reconsider the environment you are living especially the digital / virtual one.

Seems an inappropriate title for what it is... more of an indictment of the rice, wheat and corn industries than a case against vegetarianism. The case study of forced carnivore animal vegetarianism also has nothing to do with human free-willed vegetarianism. I have read extensively on this subject and having been vegetarian for years now and daily experiencing the health, energy, strength, and stamina benefits, no amount of saying dead corpses are healthy will convince me... I've been there and done that.

This lady claims to have been vegan for 20 years and then started eating meat again... I'd like to know how she pulled that off. Just eating the potatoes and carrots out of beef curry makes me throw up now. I've tried more than once. Back when I first became vegetarian I slipped and had a hamburger... threw it up in one fell swoop 10 minutes later. Once you clean your body of the poison it won't even accept it anymore.

I am a meat eater but I'm transitioning into vegetarianism because I want to see how it helps my health(even though I don't really have any problems in that area) but mainly it's because of how animals are treated in factory farms. It's utterly disgusting. This is something I've seriously thought about for a couple of years now but I'm now going forward with it. :) The thing that has stopped me in the past was not because of making excuses for eating meat. It was because of allergies and people like Eric.

I know your heart is in the right place Eric but it would be very nice if you used your brain along with your heart. The reason I say this is because very few vegans/vegetarians allow people to take in this information and let them make their own minds up in their own time whereas the majority act all high and mighty and force their beliefs down the throats of other people. Sadly, you are part of the majority which is not just limited to vegans or vegetarians but Christians are notorious for behaving like this as well. That crap right there is not going to help people to make the choice of becoming a vegetarian or vegan! If anything, it will push people away from that! Think of it this way. You have a friend who needs to lose weight and you use to have weight problems but have lost it. Which approach is going to be more effective in helping that friend lose weight:

A) Being their for your friend and let them know that if they have any questions or need any help with exercising and making healthy food choices, you will always be there to give them advice and support because no one can make the decision to change but themselves

OR

B) Act arrogant and constantly be on your friend's ass saying 'if I can do it then what the f*ck are you waiting for' or always put them down and force your lifestyle onto someone who may not be ready for it?

The latter will only keep the friend from NOT wanting to change their ways and unfortunately, that is what most vegans/vegetarians, especially from the west like to do. If you want to help people you need to take a different approach because being forceful and sometimes arrogant will not work.

Another thing that can stop or prolong a person's decision to change their eating habits is allergies and/or intolerances. Every time I've asked vegetarians and/or vegans advice on changing my eating habits, soy and/or nuts always came up because they are high in protein. Well those two foods are in the top 10 list of most common foods that both children and adults are allergic to so what other recommendations are there for those people which I happen to be one of? I bring this up to them and I never seem to hear back from them. Gee, thanks so much for the help! Then there are those with gluten intolerance but that's a whole new ball of wax.

There is something else that needs to be mentioned as well and that is just because someone no longer eats meat, it does not mean they are a better person or that they are more "spiritual" or that they love animals more then meat eaters. So many vegans/vegetarians claim to love animals so much yet many force their choice of lifestyle onto the pets they claim to love! Far too often I've seen or heard of people who have meat eating pets like dogs, cats and even snakes who feed them a strict vegetarian diet! As far as I'm concerned, that is animal abuse right there because they are carnivores and should be fed the foods they need to stay healthy and strong which is meat. Any true animal lover would never force an animal to eat foods that they are not designed to eat because that person follows that lifestyle. That animal cannot make that choice for themselves so it should never pushed onto them. I have to at least give meat eaters credit in that department because I have never seen or heard of a meat eater instilling a meat only diet on a herbivore or vice versa.

I know your heart is in the right place Eric but it would be very nice if you used your brain along with your heart. The reason I say this is because very few vegans/vegetarians allow people to take in this information and let them make their own minds up in their own time whereas the majority act all high and mighty and force their beliefs down the throats of other people. Sadly, you are part of the majority

Lol, how am I not "allowing people to take in this information and let them make their own minds up?" Do you think my blog articles have the power to control people's lives? I have never "forced my beliefs down the throats of others" and anyone who knows me will testify to this. How is writing blog articles about the benefits of vegetarianism and the cruelty of the animal industry not using my brain? I'm glad to hear you've decided to go vegetarian, but blaming "people like me" for not eating more ethically sooner is like blaming Paul Revere for yelling too loudly. If your integrity is so weak that you'd continue flesh-eating just to spite outspoken vegetarians, then that speaks volumes to your character Xinyu, I mean "Amy."

I can't stand this debate anymore. It all depends on the source of where your food comes from... wether it be animal or plant. I will keep eating my pasture raised meat, and i will keep eating the veggies that come from my garden.