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Yeah OK. Like either player would have a shot at a Ring without both Mannings.

Franchise QB>>¦>>>>>>>>>>¦>>>>>>Franchise DE/OLB

I mean as great of a player Demarcus Ware is he's still doesn't have a ring. Neither would JPP without Elisha._________________17' Bird Watch: QB Carson Wentz: 318Att//61% Comp//2430 Yds//25 TD//5 INT//224 Rush yds//QBR 103.4

Caught the end of that Indy game, and that Luck guy is not bad._________________2013 Eagles Forum HOF
[quote="Leon Sandcastle"]Chip Kelly's system is college material...that stuff doesn't fly in the NFL[/quote]

Yeah OK. Like either player would have a shot at a Ring without both Mannings.

Franchise QB>>¦>>>>>>>>>>¦>>>>>>Franchise DE/OLB

I mean as great of a player Demarcus Ware is he's still doesn't have a ring. Neither would JPP without Elisha.

I was referring to a rookie Qb vs a defensive all pro player.

Sheli wouldn't have won without JPP and we'll see about miller and popcorn this yr.

Actually Elisha already did. I understand to a point what your saying but that's like comparing a Rookie JPP to having Rodgers instead. Point is a Franchise QB can do more for a team then a legit beast at DE._________________17' Bird Watch: QB Carson Wentz: 318Att//61% Comp//2430 Yds//25 TD//5 INT//224 Rush yds//QBR 103.4

Yeah OK. Like either player would have a shot at a Ring without both Mannings.

Franchise QB>>¦>>>>>>>>>>¦>>>>>>Franchise DE/OLB

I mean as great of a player Demarcus Ware is he's still doesn't have a ring. Neither would JPP without Elisha.

I was referring to a rookie Qb vs a defensive all pro player.

Sheli wouldn't have won without JPP and we'll see about miller and popcorn this yr.

Actually Elisha already did. I understand to a point what your saying but that's like comparing a Rookie JPP to having Rodgers instead. Point is a Franchise QB can do more for a team then a legit beast at DE.

True but some of you guys are putting the label on a little early. It's the reason why they have the term sophomore slump or 1 yr wonder.

Sheldon Brown just blanketed whoever he was covering (1v1) on a fly route and picked off Palmer.

And everyone thought he was done. I say we trade for him in this offseason and have him play safety while a young gun is learning from him. Which is what we should have done with Mikell the year we drafted Allen._________________
Chip Kelly on Sam Bradford: "We didnt bring in Sam to be a trade chip, Im the only Chip here"

Sheldon Brown just blanketed whoever he was covering (1v1) on a fly route and picked off Palmer.

And everyone thought he was done. I say we trade for him in this offseason and have him play safety while a young gun is learning from him. Which is what we should have done with Mikell the year we drafted Allen.

Ill take a franchise QB over any player at any other position in the league. Especially one of Luck or RGIII's caliber.

LOLKK.....NFL Gen is a joke.....I occasionally go in there to read the trash people post but I can only take.so much. The funniest ones are the posters who have like 10k+ posts who just sit in NFL Gen and think they're so knowledgeable. This site is great.

Luck is having one of the greatest rookie seasons for any QB I've ever seen. He literally is carrying his team on his back.....a team that is probably the least talented in the league no less.....He rejuvenated Reggie Wayne's career and has the lowly Colts at 8-4 and in prime position for a playoff spot.....

People don't realize how amazing Luck is......ESPN is way too focused on Griffin so that's all people talk about....but Id rather have Luck 10/10 times......Like Phire said.....Griffin is in a position where he's basically guaranteed to succeed.....Shanahan completely tailored the offense around him and has Griffin play conservatively......meanwhile Luck is out there throwing the ball 55 times a game_________________