<<Goebels and Himmler didn't start by gassing babies, they used advertizing, pageantry and popular culture over the course of many years to manipulate some of the most educated people in the world to turn into monsters.>>

Unblievable. Let's not even take this conversation there. You've now related this Korbel "official" thing to something really quite odious and painful to a lot of people . And which shouldn't be trivialized by comparing it to a tv ad.

I don't agree with you Roberto. I don't get my knickers in a twist over the TV ads, I don't think people blindly follow ads and I don't think it's worth shooting a TV over.

There is one thing we agree about and that this is a dead horse. Now, how do we go about closing this thread? It's time