Title Fight: There Can Be Only One Musclecar Champion

Mustang and Camaro. These two flag-waving, tire-shredding, all-American musclecars have met countless times on the street, the strip, the track, the newsstand, and the Internet over the past four and a half decades. Enthusiasts willing, they'll continue to do battle for decades to come. For the moment, though, it comes down to this.

We recently set out to determine which of these two titans -- arguably the greatest cars of their lineage -- is the better car. We took the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 and the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 to the street, the dragstrip, and the racetrack. In each venue, the two heavyweights squared off, and where each corner may have expected a knockout, we were treated to a true competition far closer than we expected.Knowing full well that we're about to anger at least half of you, let's step into the ring.

THE STREET

No matter how many of you out there regularly drag or track your car, the majority of your miles are covered on the street. It's an unforgiving place, full of bad pavement, bad drivers, and endless traffic. It offers little to no objective, scientific data about how a car performs, but rather a feeling, a subjective impression. At the end of a long day of driving, we had to ask ourselves which one we'd rather drive the next day.It's hard to believe, but these two cars and their combined 1242 horsepower and 1187 lb-ft of torque are incredibly easy to drive to work. Both offer progressive clutch engagement and easily modulated throttles. Both feature electronically adjustable shock absorbers to improve ride quality, and big brakes that never come off grabby. Both are not, however, equal.

Be it a back road or the daily commute, the Camaro ZL1 is the better street car. Its magnetorheological shock absorbers offer an impressive performance range, smoothing the impacts of rough pavement in Tour mode and keeping the heavy chassis under control in Sport mode. Senior features editor Jonny Lieberman described it to me as "basically a sportier CTS-V," balancing ride and handling beautifully. The GT500, by contrast, suffers from a stiffer ride and too much vertical motion. Every bump gets your head bobbing up and down as the big Shelby bucks like an unbroken colt. Its two-mode Bilstein shocks are simply too stiff for everyday driving, even in Normal mode.The GT500 just isn't meant for everyday driving. It's built for performance, so we got off the freeways and surface streets and headed for the hills. One of two things happens on a canyon road: either a car comes into its element and digs in, delivering a fantastic driving experience, or all the problems you noticed on the way out of town are amplified. The GT500 does both. On the one hand, it handles better than any solid axle car -- save perhaps the Boss 302 -- has any right to, but on the other, that vertical motion grates on your confidence. Real-world roads aren't racetrack-smooth. They have bumps in inconvenient places, such as mid-corner overlooking a gorge.

To be clear, the Mustang never tried to get away from us, but there was always a niggling suspicion it might. Hit a bump under any condition, be it acceleration, cornering, or braking, and that live rear axle begins dancing around, undermining driver confidence and slowing you down. We also noticed the brakes lose some of their initial bite as they heated up, a problem that later came back to haunt the Shelby.The ZL1, by virtue of its independent suspension and magnetic shocks, did not suffer this problem. Rather, it was planted and confident, never dancing over the bumps or otherwise testing the driver's resolve. Whereas the GT500 was work to drive hard, the Camaro made you feel like a hero, encouraging you to push ever harder. Drivers of both cars will have fun, but the ZL1 driver won't be sweating at the end of the road.That's not to say the GT500 is no fun. In fact, the Shelby offers better steering than the Camaro, with sharper turn-in and better feel. It also provides better sight lines as a result of its high seating position, which leaves you feeling like you're riding on top of the car rather than in it. While the Camaro feels more like a sports car, its massive pillars and small windows impede outward visibility.

Perhaps the most telling difference came in how the cars used their potentially unwieldy power. Both cars wear Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 tires, though the Camaro's are wider front and rear. This tire, as we've seen many times, absolutely needs heat to work. When it gets cold, it's rock hard and has little grip. Get it heated up, though, and it sticks like glue. I mention this because the cars behaved very differently on cold tires. The Shelby constantly was chirping and spinning the tires and sliding the back end around, even with stability and traction control on. The ZL1 did nothing of the sort. With both cars making far more than enough torque to obliterate the rear tires at 1500 RPM, credit goes to the Camaro's suspension for keeping the power on the ground, in spite of the tires.At the end of our road loops, the response from the editors was consistent. The Mustang was simply harder to drive fast. Some preferred the challenge instead of the Camaro's reflexive, unflappable handling, but unless you're our esteemed road test editor or a professional racer, you'll be faster and more confident behind the wheel of the Camaro.

THE STRIP

Drag racing and musclecars go hand-in-hand. From a stoplight or a Christmas tree, there's no rush like a wide-open throttle blast through the gears, and anyone can do it. Anyone with the desire to buy a factory supercharged V-8 certainly will. We did, over and over.Drag racing, though, is not as cut-and-dry as it sounds. Timing is vitally important, as is traction. Cut a bad 60-foot time, and you might as well abort the race and try again. Still, it's usually a fair bet that all other things being equal, the more powerful car will win. That's certainly the case here. The 662-horsepower GT500 hits 60 mph in 3.5 seconds to the 580-horsepower ZL1's 3.8 seconds. The gap only widens from there, with the GT500 finishing the quarter-mile in 11.6 seconds at a blazing 125.7 mph, trailed by the Camaro at 12.1 seconds and 117.4 mph.

It's a closer race than it sounds like. Both cars feature launch control, so all you have to do is floor the gas and release the clutch (don't side-step it) and you'll lay down a consistent time, one even an experienced drag racer would have trouble beating. That's because both cars will be spinning their tires and wagging their tails all the way through first gear, launch control computers be damned. When you're putting that much torque to just two tires, these things happen. The Mustang and its extra 75 lb-ft of torque suffer more here, with more wheel spin and more sliding around. As a result, the race is actually very close through the first two gears until the Mustang finally hooks up and walks away in third.Despite its better times, the Mustang is more work to drive fast. But to quote everyone's favorite drag racing movie, "winning's winning." With Ford's adjustable launch control, even a novice drag racer will be able to put away ZL1s at the drag strip behind the wheel of a GT500.

So real question is if the camaro still had don yanko pushing out the camaro all the way will it be able to stay on the track without flying away from reaching supersonic speeds? And if buddyolsens aunt had balls would he blow her like he blows his mustangs exaust and will he still have brain damage from the exaust fumes? And fast and furious huh vin deisel? Well he lives a quarter mile at a time and was top dog and last time i recalled hes charger stayed in the garage and his chevys beat every car he raced. Lol this is fun i love making a point lol

So let me get this strait u have a stock zl1 racing a mustang built but a performance shop (shelby). Like it or not ford didnt build the car alone they had carol shelby help so make it fair bring don yanko back to life and let both companys have 64k in each car ur 8k difference and the camaro will mop the floor with the sh#t stang again like its done since 67 even when chevy had its 302 and kicked the mustangs a#s and as for mr 60 yr old male u should remember those days but let me guess u got olsimers probably. Its ok everyone has problems so why dont u all think about the facts i just schooled u with. The 427 yanko camaro came second to none but like ur shelby its not a factory car and as far as maro ss and gt stangs go i watch people race them all the time and the gt loses everytime not trying to stick up for camaros but they just make it to easy its just really sad one of the best performance people on the planet carol shelby even tho pushed that motor out as far as possable only passes up a stock camaro by a half a second and the camaro is stock its just sad. Really its a joke ive liked shelbys work since i was a kid but u can only do so much with a ford. Found On Road Dead. F#cking On Road Disaster. Lol

Sure the Shelby GT500 costs more. Do you really think Carroll Shelby gave Ford Motor Company the use of his name for 'Free... The other point, do you really think people who can afford $55,000.00 to $65,000.00 for a "TOY" really care about the price difference, of course they don't... They purchase what they want. Chevy people are going to buy the ZL1 and Ford people are going to buy the Shelby!!!

I am a 60 year old male and I was a long term subscriber to Motor Trend magazine for over 30 years. I read that magazine back in late 60's and early 70's, as a High School student. I will not subscribe to nor will I even read their magazine today. You see, they have always had a G.M. bias, and I mean always. Even in the 60's they always were red hot on just about everything G.M. brought to market.

Today, and for the past 25 years their bias has been directed to automobiles made in Asian countries. In the 60's and 70's they were all about European cars. In those days Asian cars weren't so plentiful on the streets and highways of America.

When it came to American made automobiles, G.M. was almost always their top choice. It was pretty much a toss up between Ford and Chrysler. American Motors always finished dead last.

Nothing ever changes with these people. I would have told you, even before I read this BS article, these Morons would pick that Butt Ugly, Cartoonish looking ZL1 Camaro over the Shelby GT500 Mustang.

Now for the truth, I am the "very proud" owner of a 2014 Shelby Gt500. I have driven both of these car, and I will tell you these guys couldn't be more off base about their comparison. First, the Shelby is a much more eye pleasing vehicle than the Camaro. Track times are virtually identical between both cars. Acceleration is not even something intelligent people can talk about. The Shelby blows the ZL1 away, period. The Automotive Press complains about the Shelby's straight rear axle yet it pulls over 1g. on the skid pad as does the ZL1, even though the Chevy has the Independent Rear Suspension. Shelby weighs several hundred LBS. less than the ZL1. My Shelby GT500 has a very pleasant ride, firm but just you would expect from a Ultra High Performance Sports Coupe. The Recaro seats are as good as it gets. This crap about riding on it instead of riding in it is just nonsense. The visibility in the Mustang is vastly superior to that of the Camaro, from every angle of sight. The instrument layout and panel are also superior on the Shelby.

I will admit, the brakes on the Camaro are more fade resistant than the brakes on the Shelby during robust road course driving. The problem is easily overcome with the addition of aftermarket brake vents, slotted and dimpled rotors. I have also replaced the stock brake lines on mine with braided stainless steel brake lines, and DOT4 high temp brake fluid.

The one last thing I'd mention is that Carroll Shelby placed his input and seal of approval on these 2013-14 Ford, SVT, Super-cars. Chevy, G.M. can't ever match that, ever!!!

@buddyolesen GM has never SOLD OUT their Camaros or Corvette to be performance built by someone else and used that persons name. Lingenfelter rebuilds Camaros and Corvettes and does things Crust Stang owners and Shelby only dreams they could do with the Ford junk.

Lingenfleter has the fastest standing mile time in a car with his Corvette. 26 seconds on street tires from a dead stand still to run 1 mile.

Funny thing, these cars. First, who ever heard of measuring a camaro or mustang by how well they take corners?! Give me a break. I have a new GT500 with all the tricks. Not because I want to bring it to a road track, because it's damn fun! It's like riding a rocket and holding on for dear life! An awesome sensation. That's what these cars are built to do, remind you that your alive. The GT500, by that measure can't be beat. Nor can it be stopped by much of anything from a standing start. Now, if I want to destroy a track, I'll roll out the 911 GT3 RS. Now that my friends is a car built to run a track. Sorry Camaro, your neither great at the track work, nor the drag strip, but your as comfy as a caddy and great on the road. It's no complement to say the camaro matched the GT500 around the track. Sounds like a backhanded complement to me. What a standard, a tail happy 660 hp muscle car! Maybe the camaro is best on the road, but you know what they say, a car stuck in the middle of the road gets what again? It wins the race? No... I'm sure that's not it...

Bottom line, these are not sports cars. Stop trying to measure them as such! They are Harry chested Man cars that remind you how much fun it is to NOT go around a corner the "right" way, preferring blue smoking exits and the sound of a small but important war coming from the quad exhaust. That my friends is the honest truth.

@Kevin LaFond Any real man wants to be able to go around corners. Sure going in a straight line is fun, but when a rice burner for half the cost goes around a corner faster than you because of your crappy solid rear axle #1 you look like a tool and #2 you feel like a tool and a moron for spending soo much on a car that can only go straight.

Don't get me wrong, I like the ZL1 but the performance difference at the drag strip is even worse than MT is making it out to be. How many of you have actually seen these cars line up and race? I've seen it four times. The GT500's always run 11.9 or better, while the best I've seen a Zl1 put down was 12.2 @118mph. Also, the Ford proved far more consistant with average drivers behind the wheel. On slicks, the GT500 is a monster jumping out the traps and is a legitimate 10 sec car.

NO, if you spend $1285 to upgrade the zl1 you will get 660HP and 0-60 in 3.4 sec., 1/4 mile 10.9 sec, top speed 202mph. now my friend with the same HP as the GT500 the zl1 smokes the GT...... sorry to tell that.......

Nice article truly wonderful cars.These are numbers cars by the numbers its a walk away .When quouting lap times where is the Camaros slowest lap time .Youre personal preference dosent matter . GM must have gave you more money because the Camaro got killed here.

@Hillboy hey man, both great cars yes. Everyone here is posting the camaro got killed based on a straight line performance and power only,not asking why? whats the detail?. No is looking at the proven consistency of the zl1, much less break fade than gt5, better weight dist. zl1 52/48.( stang 57/43 aweful) lap times decrease in gt5 due to major brake fade, heat stroke, drive-terrain cooling,skinnier tires, suspension fade ect. LZ1 just has a smaller Litre blower and pulley, if you want to talk performance the zl1 can keep its smaller blower and add the same 15lb pulley(stang(large for stock) vs 8lb lz1 (small for stock) the zl1 would come out at approx 750-755 HP which would make up for the 180lb difference plus some. trapping around 127-128 without any cooling issues. so please people please stop looking at out of the box 1/4 mile performance. after 5-10 runs the gt500 is down to trapping less than 119 if you search. also being heavier and 82hp less its pretty impressive the zl1 has an exact lap time..interesting. not biased just stating facts. i own a 427R trak pak 08.#83 and a ws6 2002 #8127126 lol

I am a die-hard Ford fan. And in terms of this comparison, it seems that personal preference and bias decided on the "winner," and not numbers. Being a track test, track times are what matter, and the Shelby is the clear winner. As for the others, the Shelby is obviously superior in a straight line and the Camaro is obviously the better handling car in the corners.

HOWEVER, when cost is taken into consideration (not counting build quality, where the Ford would be my only choice), the Camaro is definitely the better choice here. $8k is a huge difference, and that amount could easily be spent beefing up the Camaro to win in all the numbers.

Much like the comparison of the GT w/ Track Pack vs the Camaro SS 1LE, the one which cost a good amount more clearly performed better overall and (when bias and the butt dyno isn't involved) was the clear winner. But put that large sum of money difference into the less expensive vehicle, and the tables are turned significantly. The Shelby would have no chance if that money were put into the ZL1, just as the 1LE would have no chance if the extra money were put into the GT w/ Track Pack.

In the end, though, no matter which car is purchased, the buyer will have an amazing, fun, and powerful car to really roast that rubber on the pavement. angryBits hit the nail right on the head. They're both excellent choices.

ZL1 can make more power and the Shelby can get a Watts link and wider tires, in the end who cares which car is slightly better than the other, they're both BAD A$$ MOTHER F#$!ERS. We should stop pissing on American cars and start pissing on the imports ;) (It should be noted that I love imports too haha)

The bottom line is the ZL1 comes track ready for $56,000.....the shelby gt500 is almost $8000.00 more for the track package....etc...etc. Look at the price as tested...thats because ford sticks you here, sticks you there. I guarantee you dollar for dollar if I put another $8000.00 into my ZL1 it would smoke the gt500 every time...everywhere. We arent talking about a couple grand difference....$8000.00 will buy ALOT of HP!!! Infact....I have already begun my upgrades. If Chevy put $7-8k more into every ZL1 it would be in a class of it's own as far as 4 seaters go. So have your glory Ford boys...yep the gt500 is fast in a straight line...and cost $8000.00 more than the Camaro..big deal.

They are both great cars. I have owned both Camaros and Mustangs over the years and like them both - and a Challenger as well. Both cars can be updated pretty easy. Yes, you can pulley and tune both. Yes, you can add brake ducts and coil overs to the Shelby and tame the solid axle even more. At the end of the day, either one can be as fast in a line or around a turn as you have money and time to aspire to. Put either can in the hands of a weekend warrior and the performance of the car will not dictate the race. For me I ended up with the GT 500 in silver with the SVT package. Brake ducts from Steeda went on within the week along with a change of Castrol CRF. Very happy. I race at the drag strip and the road corse. Could I be as happy with the Camaro? Yes. However, it is interesting to note that at the NASA events I have gone to, there are GT500s, 302 Bosses, Corvettes, GTRs, GT3s, Vipers and a few others. But so far, no Camaros. Not one. I hope that changes.

Only MT would prefer the lower performer because "it makes them feel more secure". Hey guys, these are Muscle Cars. They are built to put the power to the road and that is what the Shelby does. You Gov Motors guys can rationalize it all you want but the fact is you lose. The Shelby Mustang is the best muscle car of all time and this one is the best of the best.

Marlin,After years of declining sales, the GM corporation stopped producing the Chevrolet Camaro in 2002. A special 35th anniversary edition of the classic Chevy Camaro was released that year. After a seven-year hiatus, GM announced plans to release a new Camaro for 2010.Sorry to burst your bubble but a successful car line is not discontinued because of labor issues.Racered

Hey raceredmustang get your facts straight GM discontinued the Fbody line due to major problems with employees/union at the Canadian plant and the only way to shut the plant was to stop production check it out its an empty field now!

The Shelby clearly won. I love how Camaro guys are saying it only won because of the higher hp #s... what about when the zl1 just barely beat the Boss with 130+hp? The GT500 is a better looking all around car that MT showed eats the ZL1 at the drag strip and at Laguna Seca too with a smaller engine and a live axle. "The Camaro brakes better"... well apparently not good enough to beat the GT500 around Laguna Seca, facts are facts.

The Shelby clearly won. I love how Camaro guys are saying it only won because of the higher hp #s... what about when the zl1 just barely beat the Boss with 130+hp? The GT500 is a better looking all around car that MT showed eats the ZL1 at the drag strip and at Laguna Seca too with a smaller engine and a live axle. "The Camaro brakes better"... well apparently not good enough to beat the GT500 around Laguna Seca, facts are facts.

@jna6979 When the ZL1 beats the N/A Boss 302 LS by more than .38 seconds at Laguna Seca, runs 9's with nothing but slicks skinnies and a few bolt-ons(yes that's also a crack towards you "muscleman")and avoids the gas guzzlers tax at that, then you can talk some trash. Till then, don't make yourself look dumb, keep your hands off the keyboard.

When you have to discontinue a model line to regroup as in the case of the Camaro to keep up with the competition, it clear why Mustang is projected to outsell Camaro once again.The difference between the upcoming IRS Mustang and the IRS Camaro is that the Mustang will continue to dominate the 1/4 mile track.Even though the 2013 Shelby LRA had a disadvantage against the magnetic ride IRS ZL1, Ford engineers pulled of the upset of the year and kick the crap out of the ZL1 by 70 ft at the Laguna Seca race course with a smaller displacement engine to avoid the gas guzzler tax all together. Chevrolet on the other hand continues to increase cubic inch displacement without any consideration to fuel economy as the gas guzzler tax on the ZL1 proves without a shadow of a doubt.Enough said, we all know which car will be the popular choice of Americans by the sales numbers at the end of the year!!!

ford guys are ignorant for one reason...if you read stats te camaro is 250 heavier so do the math or understand that it equates to rear lick from a camaros back end...chevrolet is stupid cause with that extra 250 extra pounds they know it slows the car down and would push it definetly that half second slower times to match or beat a very beatable mustand like history shows its slow past...and also at 580 hp and a half second mustang isnt doing much hahahahaha....but 250 lighter at 580 your sniffin fumes like it did every year of its conception.....hahahahha....ford cant even at 550 hp had very terrible stats thy had to steriod it up to 663 hp to beat the camaro by again half a sec....it new the camaro was at 580 so they upped it and not a great upping ..corvette is only at 600 hp and tunning and it pushes 10.7 1/4 times and thats 60 hp less or im sorry 68 hp less...go figure finger fords....hahahah

ford guys are ignorant for one reason...if you read stats te camaro is 250 heavier so do the math or understand that it equates to rear lick from a camaros back end...chevrolet is stupid cause with that extra 250 extra pounds they know it slows the car down and would push it definetly that half second slower times to match or beat a very beatable mustand like history shows its slow past...and also at 580 hp and a half second mustang isnt doing much hahahahaha....but 250 lighter at 580 your sniffin fumes like it did every year of its conception.....hahahahha....ford cant even at 550 hp had very terrible stats thy had to steriod it up to 663 hp to beat the camaro by again half a sec....it new the camaro was at 580 so they upped it and not a great upping ..corvette is only at 600 hp and tunning and it pushes 10.7 1/4 times and thats 60 hp less or im sorry 68 hp less...go figure finger fords....hahahah

whiney ford boys...my deposit is down on a zl1...if your so sure the gt500 is all that why is ford making a irs stang for the future? Why can i take a zl1 to livernois and pay 10k for a zl1 upgrade to run nines?oh thats not fair? try driving the so wonderful gt 500 with out paying thousands for all the cooler upgrades, the sport buckets, and the suspension mods you have to buy for 7k more than the zl1 and add three thousand to that and see if you can run high nines with out shoving nitrous into the larger blower on the gt5oo and grenading the allready overbored 5.4 in the stang. Sure shelby was a good influence, but can you remember a time when ford needed help from the government? how about crysler? the big three all have had to have help, at least g.m. is paying it back, not selling out to fiat. I have owned many hot rods and built many of various makes, i am not a kid as some of you sound....if the gt 500 is so great why does it have all the other mags saying the zl1 is better? every review?

The mustang is the clear winner, and here's why;Most normal people will just want the thrill of beating the ass out of everyone in a straight line. The majority of people don't care about cornering or brake venting; the GT500 gives people the acceleration, the cornering ability, and the confidence that 662 hp grants. People will feel greater in the mustang than the camaro because, come on, sometimes it only takes one green light to show who's boss.. And I believe the GT500 to be more American than the Camaro. The stylingoldie way it's tuning, the stereotypical feel of a classic American car only better, the man behind it's creation, and the fact that it's Ford. Shelby is sad right now, but this is just one battle, not the end of the war. And so far, all of the other current Mustangs have been beating camaros left and right.Shelby's post mortem influence influence in the next GT500 will show not just the camaro, but the world who's king of the hill.

"It's a closer race than it sounds like" that's B/S. a half second at 117.4 mph means that there camaro still had at least 86 feet to go when the mustang cross the finish line in the 1/4 mile race and the chart shows the mustang won by 70 feet on the road course.as far as the street goes,when i did race someone it was stop light to stop light or on the highway(no tight turns there) so its a win win,win win for mustang, from the base V6 all the way up to the GT500.try telling the chick in your passenger seat that the camaro is better when you're constantly loosing to a mustang.

to 312hp fan you should not be on here i have always been a ford guy i have friends that have chevys they are good guys but you are a punk i dont like you and i dont care if you apologize you can stick it up your butt you pos and another thing in 2014 the mustang gt will still wipe the floor with the camaro ss.

raceredmustangowner, I apologize to you as well for my over reactions. Glad to find out you are a reasonable person as well. I can't apologize to 12mustang as of yet even if he deserves it until I see him post some better comments that don't refer to butt kickings and nicknames for the competition although most of his comments were ok. Think I am done here. See you in 2014 after the Mustang gets IRS and the Camaro goes on a diet.

312hpfan,I appreciate the kind words and I apologize for overreacting to your posts as well. In all fairness, I think you should apologize to 12mustang because he never said anything derogatory about you personally other than proclaim his preference for Mustangs. You seem like a reasonable person and I hope you can work it out with 12mustang.racered

racered, that comment to rob21 was a very well thought out and intelligent. Wish the one before it to me was too. I agree with almost everything you said, except the part about ending the war between Chevy and Ford. I see it as healthy competition and both cars were upgraded as a result of that competition. I would love to see both cars modded to the exact same horsepower and then tested. Respect all cars, Love your own.

rob21af,I prefer the Shelby GT500 because it has versatility. The GT500 isnt as capable on a track as a ZL1 but the Shelby wins occasionally on specific road courses none the less. On the other hand, the ZL1 loses consistently and by a significant margin on a 1/4 mile track, which is a popular sport enjoyed by many Americans every weekend.Diminishing the sport of 1/4 mile racing to sway public opinion in favor of a certain automobile is unfair and very bias reporting from my stand point. Even though I prefer road courses over 1/4 mile racing, we have to respect the fact that a Shelby GT500 has superior acceleration and can compete with the ZL1 on most road courses with an equal chance of winning.It is undisputable that the magnetic ride suspension on the ZL1 is an advantage but is doesn't guarantee a victory as the Laguna Seca race track results clearly prove. I wish a real race between the two automobiles could be set up to finally end a very interesting debate between GM and Ford enthusiasts

The Shelby is the true American sports car without a doubt in the 1/4 mile and on a road course. It must be humiliating to know that a Nissan GTR must challenge the Shelby to 1/4 mile race because the ZL1 lacks balls according to 312hpfan!!!!

racered, good catch on my mispell. If you look at my earliest posts you will see I am not a fan boy at all and gave equal bashings to chevy and ford fanboys (like you). I can easily praise the good things or truthfuly evaluate the bad things on either car. Are you man enough to say the same, NO. That makes me a Fan Man and you a fan boy. I have no desire at all to beat the stangs 1/4 mile time. Sounds boring, petty and stupid to me, I drive real cars on real roads. You should have just said nuff said instead of I rest my case, either way you sound like a small minded one sided hp bigot. BTW, sorry about your bald spot.

312hpfanFirst of all, you keep calling everyone a fan boy but your username says that you have a 312 horsepower fan boy mouth. Second of all, you mispelled knife, apparently you are not as sharp as you think.Third of all, you have to own two sports cars to beat the GT500 according to your most recent post. Why the heck did you bring up the GTR? Do you really think buying a car for the 1/4 and another car for the track is going to impress the American automobile enthusiast?I rest my case, the Shelby GT500 is the best buy for an American sports car because it will perform well on the 1/4 mile track and on a road course.

Wow 12stang, you are not the sharpest knive in the drawer are you. That 1/4 mile thing sound boring. I drive real cars on real roads. Enough said? Are you twelve or is that your IQ? What you and racered fail to understand is if you can't praise what is good about both cars then you are just a small minded, teeny weeny Fanboy. It is so easy to get both of your panties in a bunch it is like shooting fish in a barrel. These are both great cars and if you can't admit that then neither of you is a real man. Oh wait your'e not, I forgot for a minute.