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Remek founded pegym jay haha. The advice makes sense, if there are no signs of over training and no gains, increased intensity is a good way to try to gain. Obviously if the increase causes neg PIs then you'd change back, and other advice would be to just wait a few more months and see if the gains are just slow.

So according to Remek, I should over-train to get gains? I don't think so. I'll stick to what I know with PEgym lol

Listen to Jakebfs Jay. I never said you should over-train to get gains. Neither has Remek. Here's the extract from his book:
"If you have healthy body clues and you're gaining then you're on the right track;
If you have healthy body clues-or no clear indication of unhelthy body clues- and you are not gaining the you are most likely not using enough intensity. Gradually bump it up until you start gaining;
If you have unhealthy body clues and you're not gaining, then you need more rest and more intensity."

His book is full of info and examples of several PErs from different forums. Most of the info you see in the Start Here section is retrieved from it. He's the founder of PEgym Jay, so you better think twice between contradicting him.

Yesterday I read remek's book again and he said that if you're not experiencing negative PIs/ you're experiencing positive PIs and you're still not gaining, then the problem is most likely lack of intensity. Increase it.

This is what you stated ^^^

Originally Posted by Jay1983

So according to Remek, I should over-train to get gains? I don't think so. I'll stick to what I know with PEgym lol

Because of what you stated ^^^ Negative PI's means over-training, does it not?

Lets start with some definite Negative PIs

Pain in the penis

Decreased night and morning wood

Decreased hardness of erections

Numbness

Discoloration

Loss of size ( persisting more than a day)

Now look at this ^^^ how can one get gains suffering with that?

Originally Posted by mikeguima

Listen to Jakebfs Jay. I never said you should over-train to get gains. Neither has Remek. Here's the extract from his book:
"If you have healthy body clues and you're gaining then you're on the right track;
If you have healthy body clues-or no clear indication of unhelthy body clues- and you are not gaining the you are most likely not using enough intensity. Gradually bump it up until you start gaining;
If you have unhealthy body clues and you're not gaining, then you need more rest and more intensity."

So now it's changed to this?? ^^^

Originally Posted by mikeguima

His book is full of info and examples of several PErs from different forums. Most of the info you see in the Start Here section is retrieved from it. He's the founder of PEgym Jay, so you better think twice between contradicting him.

No offense, but maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth after putting words in yours.

Because of what you stated ^^^ Negative PI's means over-training, does it not?

Now look at this ^^^ how can one get gains suffering with that?

So now it's changed to this?? ^^^

No offense, but maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth after putting words in yours.

Read what I first wrote again!!!:

Yesterday I read remek's book again and he said that if you're not experiencing negative PIs/ you're experiencing positive PIs and you're still not gaining, then the problem is most likely lack of intensity. Increase it.

Now isn't that the same as this?: "If you have healthy body clues and you're gaining then you're on the right track;
If you have healthy body clues-or no clear indication of unhelthy body clues- and you are not gaining the you are most likely not using enough intensity. Gradually bump it up until you start gaining;
If you have unhealthy body clues and you're not gaining, then you need more rest and more intensity."

Lets go through it step by step: If you're not experiencing negative PIs (meaning you're either experiencing neutral or positive PIs) and you're not gaining, then you need to increase the intensity. Isn't it the same as "If you have healthy body clues-or no clear indication of unhelthy body clues- and you are not gaining the you are most likely not using enough intensity. Gradually bump it up until you start gaining;"?????

Most say that if you were gaining with a routine don't change it until the gains stop. If I read your posts correctly you upped the intensity before the gains stopped. Maybe go back and do what you where doing in the first place to see what happens. Just a suggestion.

Most say that if you were gaining with a routine don't change it until the gains stop. If I read your posts correctly you upped the intensity before the gains stopped. Maybe go back and do what you where doing in the first place to see what happens. Just a suggestion.

I've read that version many times, but I've also read that you should gradually increase the intensity (which is what i did). I don't think going back will do me any good, I think my penis will laugh at me if I start doing the begginner routine again