Bosh has set himself up to be considered in the same dimension, realm, phylum, or class 10 years from now, depending on what he and the Miami Heat are able to do. Like Duncan and Garnett, individual statistics and accolades will not be the driver of whether he gets there, but prolonged individual and team excellence.

And the intent wasn't really to compare them as individual players as much as compare the way they approach the game, superstars sacrificing individual accolades in favour of playing a team game.

He'll never be as good as Duncan. Probably shouldn't' have made that comparison.

But imo KG isn't the player Duncan is, but, I think in 30 years looking back it's quite possible that KG and Bosh are seen as similar players. Bosh could also flop, or maybe he's just an overpaid Robert Horry. I think Riles and Spo are pretty smart basketball minds, they probably see more KG in him then Horry.

^So they pay tax. Not a huge problem. By year 5, if they are so troubled, they can probably trade him as an expiring. And the cap will have gone up by a good degree by then as well. They'll be far better off than the Lakers are now with Kobe's deal just starting at that point where they have no idea if he'll be able to play well, or much, or be able to recruit any other talent.

To me it look exactly as bad as Kobe's deal is for the Lakers. I don't see too many players lining up just to play with Bosh.

Ya I remember that. Only we weren't talking about the finals....we were talking about the entire season.

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The games I watched the heat play last year, I don't seem to remember Lebron being the pylon on defense that everyone seems to be claiming here.

So I mentioned the obvious Finals defensive performance (or lack thereof). I hate using stats but even real plus/minus stat showed he was bad on D the entire season. And I know that's the case because I watched so many games.

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And how good was Bosh defensively during the finals when the heat were getting smoked?

I mentioned the entire team struggled in the Finals, but again, if you haven't seen Bosh's incredible impact on the defensive end of the floor the last few years, you are not paying close enough attention.

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Fact of the matter is, Lebron was the best offensive and defensive player on that team and nobody who is objective can claim otherwise.

Agree. However, he was still pretty bad on D the entire year and they weren't a top 10 team defensively. Both have been incredible on that end of the floor last few years, but this year, not so much.

You thougt he was anywhere near as effective defensively? And you think maybe if he had he might have scored another mvp?

You're not hating. You're just spouting shit. You haven't offered any kind of thought process as to how you came to your conclusion. Congratulations for that. There is every chance that the Heat recruit more talent there in future years, but you know better than Pat Riley, just because. That's worse than being a hater in my books. That's just a waste of space.

Assuming they get Deng, that's the biggest addition they're going to get for the rest of the off-season I would think.
That still leaves:
They still don't have a C, Wade will play about 50-60% of the games, they lost LEBRON JAMES, and Bosh is gonna have to dig down to his grave to recover CB4 to get back to where he was previously.
Their roster is pretty pathetic, with only McRoberts being their role player addition. Their PGs will be exposed now that LeBron isn't there to create with the ball. They ain't doing anything.

Assuming they get Deng, that's the biggest addition they're going to get for the rest of the off-season I would think.
That still leaves:
They still don't have a C, Wade will play about 50-60% of the games, they lost LEBRON JAMES, and Bosh is gonna have to dig down to his grave to recover CB4 to get back to where he was previously.
Their roster is pretty pathetic, with only McRoberts being their role player addition. Their PGs will be exposed now that LeBron isn't there to create with the ball. They ain't doing anything.

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He'll never be as good as Duncan. Probably shouldn't' have made that comparison.

But imo KG isn't the player Duncan is, but, I think in 30 years looking back it's quite possible that KG and Bosh are seen as similar players. Bosh could also flop, or maybe he's just an overpaid Robert Horry. I think Riles and Spo are pretty smart basketball minds, they probably see more KG in him then Horry.

In 30 years, KG will still be the guy who came over and basically worked a Boston team into a title with his incredible defense - both team and individual. He carried an "ok" Minnesota team to 58 wins in the West, ultimately losing in the Western Conference Finals. He took Minnesota to the playoffs 8 straight years (Bosh took us to the playoffs in the weak East twice). KG averaged 13 rebounds per game over 8 seasons of his prime.

30 years from now, Bosh will still be known as the 3rd banana on a championship team with the best player in the league, and probably still easily top 5 player all time in LeBron.

Don't let a now 38 year old KG colour your perception of how freaking good he was. The guy was drafted the same year as Damon Stoudamire for god's sakes!!!
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Offensively, KG's effectiveness and Bosh's in their primes are pretty similar. But on D, KG is a million times better.

KG's best season as the main guy was 58-24. He won 50+ games several times on Minnesota. Bosh's best before Miami was 47-35.

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You don't need to demean Duncan or KG to properly rate Bosh. Bosh is a very nice offensive player and a smart but average defensive player. He's not the dominant force on D that either KG or Duncan were (and Duncan arguably still is at times).

In 30 years, KG will still be the guy who came over and basically worked a Boston team into a title with his incredible defense - both team and individual. He carried an "ok" Minnesota team to 58 wins in the West, ultimately losing in the Western Conference Finals. He took Minnesota to the playoffs 8 straight years (Bosh took us to the playoffs in the weak East twice). KG averaged 13 rebounds per game over 8 seasons of his prime.

30 years from now, Bosh will still be known as the 3rd banana on a championship team with the best player in the league, and probably still easily top 5 player all time in LeBron.

Don't let a now 38 year old KG colour your perception of how freaking good he was. The guy was drafted the same year as Damon Stoudamire for god's sakes!!!
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Offensively, KG's effectiveness and Bosh's in their primes are pretty similar. But on D, KG is a million times better.

KG's best season as the main guy was 58-24. He won 50+ games several times on Minnesota. Bosh's best before Miami was 47-35.

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You don't need to demean Duncan or KG to properly rate Bosh. Bosh is a very nice offensive player and a smart but average defensive player. He's not the dominant force on D that either KG or Duncan were (and Duncan arguably still is at times).

That season he had Sprewell and Cassell along side him.... let's not pretend that KG was doing it all by himself.

To be clear, I believe that KG and Duncan > Bosh.... but let's not get carried away.

The Raptors were absolutely horrendous (historically bad) on defense and couldn't string a decent core together for more than 2 seasons with Bosh... and we were STILL usually in the playoff picture.

5 years from now, he will still be a solid player, his game will age. hes not the type of guy that uses athleticism to beat opponents.

Lakers deal aint even bad, its for 2 years and like they really give a shit about money

First, who said anything about money. And its about cap space and the tax level not money. And if people aren't lining to play to play with Kobe why would they line up to play with an aging Bosh in 4-5 years. If you are suggesting his prime is 34-35 you're probably mistaken.