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I have decided to start a thread for all Australian cricket. This is apposed to separate threads for various versions of our great game that previously existed on the other site. I may transfer some of those stories here as well as compose, along with good mate and fellow member Mick (and any other Aussie) eveything about Australian cricket. There is plenty about which to talk.. from the Champions Trophy ODI tournament next month to the short test tour of Bangladesh in August plus the peace de resistance.. the much awaited battle against the old enemy England in November on our fair shores.

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Yeh. A bit of a worry. Could the Aussies be going into the Ashes without their strongest side?

Would be a damn shame

Sure would Boycs. Our top 20 contracted cricketers pocket over $1 million and still they are wingeing. Luckily Aussie cricket is strong with great depth at the moment so should the top liners pull out of the Ashes there are worthy replacements.

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Sure would Boycs. Our top 20 contracted cricketers pocket over $1 million and still they are wingeing. Luckily Aussie cricket is strong with great depth at the moment so should the top liners pull out of the Ashes there are worthy replacements.

I'm just watching the Back Page. Isn't the issue that the intl players would strike for all the domestic FC player's interests? Isn't that who the player's assoc is going into bat for? We all know the CA top 20 is very well paid. This is what Rob Craddock led me to believe.

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

In a nutshell as I read it the issue is over whether the players continue to be paid a salary plus a percentage of revenue (the current) or by salary alone as CA now wants it. Could be a case of both sides being a little greedy. The domestic players used to be paid a pittance now they earn..with BBL contracts.. a healthy pay packet. Like the new thread Paddles? A good I idea by you Kiwi cuzz.

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:34 amSome omission shocks Mick and a few new boys like Hilton Cartwright.. The most glaring omissions are Peter Nevill and SOKeefe. Looks like the career of Pete Siddle is all but over. Maxwell's lack of previous form and his misdemeanors have evidently been forgiven. Still to prove he has the consistency for this level.

baggygreenmania wrote:In a nutshell as I read it the issue is over whether the players continue to be paid a salary plus a percentage of revenue (the current) or by salary alone as CA now wants it. Could be a case of both sides being a little greedy. The domestic players used to be paid a pittance now they earn..with BBL contracts.. a healthy pay packet. Like the new thread Paddles? A good I idea by you Kiwi cuzz.

I havn't found a satisfactory article explaining the technicalities of the issues as yet.

What I believe it is so far; 20% of ALL revenue goes to the players. I believe, and this could be wrong, that this goes to both domestic and international players. So the CA sign the top 20, and gives residual money from the 20% to the 6 team states (I don't know how the academy 50 over side works). All this is at agreed rates. I have no found no article expressing this precisely though so it could be wrong.

BBL contracts are small, very small compared to the revenue generated and to the domestic state contracts, but these contracts are typically a boost on the player's state contracts and the BBL is a small component of the season dominated by Sheffield Shield. Its a very nice bonus. There are a few anamolous players who are pulled from grade cricket to play BBL, but for them, being paid to play on the higher stage, at tens of thousands of dollars, is a nice Christmas hamper.

Now I do understand why the fight is on. The articles have made it clear that the BBL is generating a lot of dollars. And when the percentages were set 20 years ago, to look after then state cricketers like Darren Lehmann, there was no BBL anticipated. Now the revenues are much much greater, and Cricket Australia is worried about paying the top international (and possibly domestic) players too much. So it wants to set salaries itself, increased on prior years, but not based on a percentage. This will hurt both the intl contracted players and the state players.

Now I havn't found confirmation or details of payments to players bar the 20% of revenue, nor whether this includes both intl and domestic players.

If you find a good article, please post a link.

Yes, very good thread. Well done.

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

baggygreenmania wrote:Yeh the CA "cash cow" BBL is at the crux of the problem.

Which makes the distribution between domestic bbl participants and the CA top 20 on test and odi duty during BBL quite interesting. Suddenly domestic players are generating their own revenue and its not all trickling down from intl.

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

Yeh. A bit of a worry. Could the Aussies be going into the Ashes without their strongest side?

Would be a damn shame

There will be no side, it's CA v ACA, not the top 20 only, all contracted players in Australia are members of the ACA, it will be all 100+ contracted players from the Australian squad, state squads and probably the Women as well. There will be no FC Cricket in Australia until this is sorted.

Uncapped fast bowlers Sarah Aley and Belinda Vakarewa are in line to make their international debuts on the biggest stage after being named in Australia's final 15-player squad for next month's Women's World Cup.

Aley, 32, was part of Australia's T20 squad that hosted New Zealand in February but her services were not called upon during that three-game series, while fellow right-armer Vakarewa - who only made her state debut last October - has earned her maiden call-up at the age of just 19 after a strong domestic summer, while she also toured Sri Lanka with the Australia A team in April.

This will also be the first WC for exciting 19 year old leg spinning prospect Amanda Jade-Wellington,who Adam Gilchrist has described as a female Shane Warne in the making. The most glaring omission is Holly Ferling who like her male counterpart Pat Cummins has missed so much cricket over recent years with injury. The word is she is not quite over her latest appointment with the surgeon.

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Okay - it appears what I suspected is correct and the revenue sharing is for both intl and domestic. In fact Smith, Starc and Warner have reportedly been offered more than the sharing model, but declined as they want the sharing model retained which benefits the domestic players more (at this stage but also keeps intl salaries heading up).

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

Yeh. Ed Cowan, who you will know, said this morning that the current pay standoff was not about money. He said it was about where the best in Australian cricket stood...about the status of our top cricketers. He questions whether out best willow wielders are an integral part of our greatest sport or merely employees of an organisation.

The 4 day team is a particularly strong team with 5 players from the recent India team included. Alex Carey is probably now the number 2 Keeper in Australia after an outstanding 16-17 season, he and Daniel Hughes are probably the biggest movers this season, would not have either as a A list tourist 6 months ago. Looks like Usman Khawaja is being looked at as a possible alternative captain to Steve Smith, if things went bad with Smiths captaincy.

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baggygreenmania wrote:Yeh. Ed Cowan, who you will know, said this morning that the current pay standoff was not about money. He said it was about where the best in Australian cricket stood...about the status of our top cricketers. He questions whether out best willow wielders are an integral part of our greatest sport or merely employees of an organisation.

They are not just employees they are co owners of that organization who are asking for a fair share of the dividend and to be treated as equals not just the dumb grunt who should shut up and do what there told.

Mick it seems Cameron Bancroft has not been forgotten. Is a real talent. Will bounce back. Chadd Sayers is a well overdue selection. How Boland still figures in calculations is a bit of a mystery. I picked Alex Carey for bigger things last year. Not sure he has leapfrogged Whiteman as the West Aussie gloveman has been out of cricket with a fairly serious injury.

Pleased to finally see Jason Behrendorff get some recognition. Just needs to stay fit and he will be putting pressure on Starc. Daniel Hughes should have been picked in the longer format as he is an accumulator of runs. As Hilton Cartwright is now one of the contracted men surely he figures in our top side now.

What about Travis Head as skipper of the one day component. That is a portent for his future Baggy Green captaincy claims if ever I saw one.

Yes. What is Starc's secret in avoiding back trouble that has plagued his peers. Is he due? There is also a good story about Kane Richardson and his great desire to wear the baggy green. At the same time he also realises he is just behind the present Big 4 and must bide his time and be ready when the call comes. I have always admired Richo's attitude and work ethic.

This is a very telling point. CA take note and send more of our boys to England in the off season. "But he noted it was the players who had experienced first-class cricket in the UK who adapted most readily to the introduction of the Dukes ball to Sheffield Shield, with four of the five leading runs scorers against the Dukes (Ed Cowan, Moises Henriques, George Bailey and Joe Burns) all having previously plied their trade on the England county circuit".

Mick180461 wrote:The Australian A sides are out for the tours of RSA.4 day teamKhawaja (c) Maxwell (vc) Agar, Bancroft, Behrendorf, Bird, Carey(k) Cartwright, Head, Patterson, Sayers, Swepson, Tremain, Wildermuth. 1 day teamHead(), Agar Behrendorf, Boland, Carey, Cartwright, Heazlet, Hughes, Kane Richardson, Stoinis, Swepson, Tremain, Wildermuth.The 4 day team is a particularly strong team with 5 players from the recent India team included. Alex Carey is probably now the number 2 Keeper in Australia after an outstanding 16-17 season, he and Daniel Hughes are probably the biggest movers this season, would not have either as a A list tourist 6 months ago. Looks like Usman Khawaja is being looked at as a possible alternative captain to Steve Smith, if things went bad with Smiths captaincy.

The 4 day team is a particularly strong team with 5 players from the recent India team included. Alex Carey is probably now the number 2 Keeper in Australia after an outstanding 16-17 season, he and Daniel Hughes are probably the biggest movers this season, would not have either as a A list tourist 6 months ago. Looks like Usman Khawaja is being looked at as a possible alternative captain to Steve Smith, if things went bad with Smiths captaincy.

Phil Jaques is returning home as the NSW batting coach after two years in the same position with QLD Cricket. Pro as the leftie is affectionately known had a Test career cut short by a crippling back injury. He averaged @44 with three centuries and 6 halves. He also scored in excess of 16,000 First Class runs at a healthy @48.

I'm hoping my Kiwi lads either get him cheap or that he doesn't play against them at all. Whats worse about Lynn as against Maxwell, is that when Lynn gets going, the top order often follow suit and its carnage (even for BBL flops Brisbane). But when Maxwell does it - there's often a "safe end".

Lynn just keeps it so simple, if full - ball is intended downtown, if short, ball is going square. No fuss, no bother. A bit like Guptill for NZ when he's motoring, but with more aggression if possible.

Will sleep much happier for Boult to bowl to Finch and not Lynn.

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

I will sleep much happier if Lynn was opening with Finch. Those two could do some serious damage even against the new balls. Lynn is an excitement machine he should be seen early where he can do the most damage not come in as a finisher. I want him as a devastating starter to dent the confidence of Southee and Boult.

baggygreenmania wrote:I will sleep much happier if Lynn was opening with Finch. Those two could do some serious damage even against the new balls. Lynn is an excitement machine he should be seen early where he can do the most damage not come in as a finisher. I want him as a devastating starter to dent the confidence of Southee and Boult.

Warner and Lynn would worry me more.

If Finch wrecks the Kiwis - its not our day. If Lynn wrecks a team - its a nightmare.

"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."