08 Apr Gog Rising?

In 1706, in his now classic Bible commentary, Matthew Henry referenced the variety of opinion that existed among biblical scholars concerning what nations Ezekiel the Prophet was referring to when he spoke of the great end time enemies of Israel known as, “Gog and Magog.” According to Henry, some scholars, “think they find them afar off, in Scythia, Tartary, and Russia. Others think they find them nearer the land of Israel, in Syria, and Asia the Less.” The term “Asia the Less,” refers to the region now occupied by Turkey. So even three hundred years ago, biblical scholars couldn’t agree if Ezekiel was talking about a last days assault of Israel led by Russia or Turkey. Today this variety of opinion continues. While many popular Bible teachers claim that Gog will come from Russia, many others claim that Ezekiel’s prophecy actually points to the Turkey. As Old Testament biblical scholar Michael S. Heiser recently stated, “Identifying Gog as Russia is exegetically indefensible… Genesis 10:2 located Meshech and Tubal in Anatolia (modern Turkey) not Russia.” In my books, Islamic Antichrist and Mideast Beast, I have also argued extensively that Ezekiel’s Gog comes from the region of modern day Turkey and not Russia. What is so fascinating however, is that whether Gog is from Russia or Turkey, both nations are now presently being led by undisputed dictators of whom it could be said fit the Gog profile. When Joel C. Rosenberg was recently asked if Russian strong-man Vladimir Putin could be the prophesied Gog, he responded: “it’s too early to draw such a conclusion, though I admit Putin is certainly ‘Gog-esque.’” Rosenberg may be correct. Yet since the failed Turkish coup of July 2016, many other students of Bible prophecy have been looking to Turkish President Erdogan as a possible Gog-candidate. Rather amazingly, the geopolitical landscape and climate in both Russia and Turkey are uniquely aligning with many of the descriptions found in Ezekiel’s prophecy. It is as if the Lord is sovereignly orchestrating world events to keep us all on our toes! Because Ezekiel’s prophecy will have such a profound impact on the State of Israel, we would all do well to pay very careful, and more importantly, prayerful attention.

One one hand, the chaos in Syria and Iraq has led to an unprecedented Russian military presence in the Middle East. The potential prophetic relevance of this is compounded by Russia’s alliance with Iran, currently the greatest threat to Israel’s existence, and a nation that features prominently in Ezekiel’s prophecy. This all comes at a time when Iran has expanded its arc of control over the capital cities of Baghdad, Beirut, and Damascus. No one questions Iran’s long-term intentions toward Israel. At a recent pro-Palestinian gathering in Tehran, February 2017, Ayatollah Khamenei referred to Israel as a “one of the dirty chapters of history that will soon be closed, with the grace of God.” Of course, when various Muslim dictators threaten to eliminate Israel, no one is surprised, but what exactly is Russia’s end game in the region and specifically with regard to Israel? We may find out soon. Putin’s defenders say he is in Syria primarily out of simple economic self interest—namely control over the various energy pipelines that criss-cross the region. This is certainly true, but does Putin have greater regional goals? Might Putin have his eye on Israel’s vast natural gas reserves? Interestingly, Ezekiel’s prophecy specifically says that Gog’s motives for invading Israel is “to capture spoil and to seize plunder” (38:12). Certainly there is much here for prophecy watchers and Israel’s intercessors to pay attention to.

On the other hand, we have Turkey, a nation led by Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Since the failed coup of July 2016, Turkish authorities have arrested or detained roughly 160,000 people. While this includes virtually all of Erdogan’s political opponents, the primary focus has been on supporters of Fethullah Gulen, a highly influential Turkish imam whose followers were largely responsible for Erdogan’s rise to power. Erdogan’s crackdown on the Gulenists has many eery parallels to what become known as, “the Night of Long Knives,” when Adolph Hitler ordered the assassination of those within the Nazi paramilitary organization known as the Brownshirts. Those within this organization were among Hitler’s earliest and strongest allies, yet Hitler felt they needed to be eliminated in order to consolidate his absolute control over Germany. This is almost identical to what Erdogan has done in Turkey. Now that all of his adversaries are either dead or in jail Erdogan has completed his plan to become the absolute dictator of Turkey. Let’s consider then who we are dealing with. First of all, it was Erdogan’s right wing Islamist party that essentially created ISIS. There is more than enough ample evidence that Turkey provided much of the support that ISIS needed in its early days to take root in Syria and Iraq. Despite the many atrocities of this group, they were the perfect junk yard dog for Turkey to use in its larger regional war with Bashar Assad, Iran, and the Kurds. So here is a supporter of radical Sunni jihadists who is now in control of the most strategically important piece of property in the region and the largest army in the Middle East. Because Erdogan controls the refugee spigot so to speak, he also has tremendous leverage over European leaders. Despite their repeated capitulation he continues to bully, manipulate, and threaten. In a recent comment, Erdogan cast Europe’s secular leaders as crusaders bent on a holy war. From an April 2 political rally in the Turkish capital, Erdogan declared, “All the leaders of the EU countries went to the Vatican and listened to the pope submissively… The situation is quite loud and clear, it is a Crusader Alliance.” Add to all of this, Erdogan’s many anti-Semitic outbursts in recent years, as well as his increasing effort to cast himself as the new Sultan of Turkey and the new Caliph of the Muslim world, and it is clear that he is indeed emerging as a likely candidate to fulfill the role of the prophesied Gog.

What then are we to make of all this? It is almost as if the Lord has perfectly allowed world circumstances to conform in more than one way, giving us multiple possibilities to fulfill Ezekiel’s prophecy. Is Gog emerging in front of us? We may find out very soon. One thing is clear however; the Lord wants us all to remain alert and on our knees. Regardless as to how things unfold over the next few years, certainly now is an absolutely critical moment for all of Israel’s intercessors to stand in the gap and fervently cry out to the Lord for her peace, safety, and most of all, for her salvation in Messiah.

41 Comments

Leo Marco Laquaglia

Posted at 19:21h, 08 April

Great article. I agree more and more that The Lord will keep us on our toes concerning end times events.
Back in the 90’s I heard teachers talk about a million man Chinese army marching down the dried up Euphrates River bed towards Yerushalim. Pretty sure it was John Hagee. Curious as to your thoughts.
As always thanks Brother Joel and may Our Great God continue to give you wisdom and insight as you peer through the dim glass.

After many years of studying the bible, I’ve found it is sufficent in itself to find answers to our questions. For example the clues Ezekiel gives us to identify Gog of Magog can all be found in Genesis 10:2-3. Also a Genesis 10 map confirms that present day Turkey fits the Ezekiel 38 discription. If Gog is chief Prince of Rosh, and he is alive today, the finger is pointing toward Erdogan as Gog.

Linda Keyes

Posted at 02:49h, 09 April

Very Good article Joel

Speaking a pew sheep🙂 I would say this is a case of looking at the whole picture, Daniel 11 clearly places the North as Turkey/Syria……..And so favours your view.

I don’t personally think Mr E is the actual a c , but he is definitely pathing the way for him by making Turkey a leader against the ‘crusaders’.

Anyone interested in keeping up with Turkey, Hurriyet Daily News is a very good source

Thank you for your balanced teaching Joel, much needed in these days,

Debbie

Posted at 09:20h, 09 April

Got a serious question we are not supposed to make any image of anything in heaven. How do we know for certain Jesus was white with long light brown hair?? The pictures you see of him everywhere? I know reference was speaking of bowing down or worship. Scholars have real drawings of this handed down thru generations? Very serious bothered me for a very long time plus seeing him still on the cross REALLY upsets me
I trust your knowledge Thank you again
Debbie

Joel

Posted at 11:23h, 09 April

Jesus is Jewish/Middle-Eastern/semitic. He is not white.

Joel

Posted at 11:25h, 09 April

Hi Linda,

I agree.

Jeff Marshall

Posted at 11:39h, 09 April

Thanks as always for your insight bro!

Nickhil Kurian

Posted at 03:24h, 10 April

Great Article… With good insight.

Glad Joel is giving us a good detailed study on these prophecies.. Let us continue to pray for him, his family and his ministry..

Also I do hope Erodgan is not the AC , these things what he is accomplishing Is preparing way for the AC to rule and set up his earthly kingdom or Empire

veronica mejia valle

Posted at 10:09h, 10 April

Thanks for this article, as all of your work very clear and helpful. I, as a latin american person growth in a Catholic faith, was very confused and I used to see the Bible as a group of teaching impossible to understand just revealed to a selected group, but is very clarifying your position. Was until I read your books, and listen the Underground in Youtube that I could recognized the real teachings of Jesus and the unchangeable the Bible is. Is simple, the Bible contain the answers, and no doctrines should be added.

Joel

Posted at 16:30h, 10 April

Veronica,

Praise God for this testimony. So blessed!

John Lund

Posted at 20:43h, 10 April

Thank you Joel.

Clarissa Riddles

Posted at 21:54h, 10 April

Interesting take, my question is how can Erdogan be a potential Anti-Christ unless he claims to be the ‘mahdi’ under the Islamic eschatological view? If he claimed to be the Mahdi, wouldn’t it be in conflict with Shiite anticipation of a return of the 12th imam emerging from occultation?
How could he possibly unite Muslim world under a caliphate accordingly?
Also, the prophecy in Daniel seems to suggest that the kings of Medco-Persia (Iran) attacks initially and the king of Yavan (Turkey) counterattacks
Just trying to put this together

Joel

Posted at 04:39h, 11 April

I do not think Erdogan is the Antichrist. Turkey will likely eventually defeat Iran in a regional war so as to bring the Persians under their coalition. As for the Antichrist claiming to be the Mahdi, the Bible says nothing about this, thus we can only speculate, but should be very cautious in many any assumptions or requirements where the Scriptures say no such thing.

ron

Posted at 23:56h, 13 April

its all about to happen quickly

next year the sunni with Sultan Erdogan will be in Jerusalem, the revolt in Jordan and Sudi arabia with him

The Bible says they will talk peace peace but there will be no peace…….thats this year and the last 5

after the referendum they will sort it out

Sara Lillis

Posted at 09:52h, 14 April

As always, excellent work! Looking forward to seeing you in Israel this summer!

Sara Lillis

donal

Posted at 20:17h, 16 April

Dear Joel, please consider this one:

Although Gog and Magog in Rev 20 refer to same people with Eze 38-39 but most like refer to different timeline. To understand this prophecy it is very important to look 2 windows not just one, window of the future and window of the past.

Those prophecies basically talking about certain people that attacking Jerusalem several times and will do it again at as final ending war. Clearly those prophecies talking about islam not Russia..

Eze 38/39 talking about war that using sword, shield, arrow and those are not modern type of weapons more to medieval era weapons. It is also refer to restoration of Israel. I say those prophecies already fulfilled since Israel already restored, right?

In historical timeline there are at least 4 major attacks to Jerusalem done by muslim : 637 AD by umar, 1187 AD by saladin, 1244 by ayyubid and 1967.

637 AD and 1187 AD attack happen when muslim gather their armies from north. If this was fulfillment of Bible prophecies then the first Gog either umar and muawiya.. Revelation 20 Gog and Magog didn’t refer to specific person but to people (muslim).

Here is my question: Is there any symbolic significance to the huge golden star with little stars surrounding it that Erdogan stood in front of when he addressed the nation after the result of the referendum. I’ve seen him pictured with that symbol behind him before also. God be with you, John.

Tess

Posted at 19:55h, 17 April

I think a potentially interesting angle is that Erdogan was born in a part of the USSR so perhaps that is the “Russia” part that everyone so wants to include… Just a thought

Ajay

Posted at 02:33h, 18 April

Dear Brother Joel,

The President of Russia clearly stated “Russia is a Christian country with Jews, Muslims and Buddhist and other religions as minorities”. Russia is the Custodian of many holy places in Israel and in Jerusalem.

Erdogan is an Islamist. All the western media is in singing his tune despite all his violations of human rights etc – they would have pounced on Putin or someone else for those very crimes. His many crimes are being overlooked simply because Turkey is a NATO member. But this is a glaring mistake.

God bless you.

Ajay

Posted at 06:45h, 18 April

Hey Joel,

Why have you removed my comment?! For stating the truth about Russia?

God bless you.

Will

Posted at 14:05h, 18 April

According to Dan 8 the Goat (Greece) destroyed the Ram (Medo-Persia)
Then the Goat himself was destroyed and broke up into 4 kingdoms ruled by Alexander’s generals (Cassander Lysimachus Ptolemy Seleucus)
It is generally understood that Ptolemy is the King of the South. Seleucus is the king of the north.

Then Dan 8 says:
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
So the Little horn (the antichrist) comes out of one of these 4 kingdoms.

To my knowledge:
Russia (nor it’s predecessors) were ever part of the Greek empire
Russia (nor it’s predecessors) were ever part of the 4 kingdoms that formed after the death of Alexander.
Russia (nor it’s predecessors) ever had an infamous conflict with the King of the South (Egypt)
Since the little horn comes out of one of these 4 kingdoms even the little horn is part of this Goat empire

So then how can it even be suggested that Russia will be part of the coming King of the North or the Little Horn?
Dont the future manifestations of these kingdoms have to be part of that same former Empire?
(of which Russia was never involved)
So doesn’t the coming Beast Empire and it’s leader have to come from one portion of this Greek Empire?
(The final beast is a leopard (Greek Empire -it’s predominant characteristic) that has characteristics of other empires: Lion (mouth) , Bear (claws) , Terrible beast (Head/horns) )

At most, even if one could associate some of the southern-most countries that are part of Russia with the northern most portions of the former Greek Empire, these countries only account for a tiny sliver in the South West corner of Russia. It just doesn’t seem legitimate to say that Russia represents this future empire when only a tiny insignificant portion of what is commonly understood to be Russia is even associated with the territory that the bible describes. It seems like the only biblical criteria that Russian Beast Empire advocates are interested in is that it is a kingdom and that it is in the north.

If we are to believe that a tiny sliver of south Western Russia is meant to represent the entire nation of Russia isn’t that a lot like putting a Ferrari oil filter on your Prius and then telling everyone you own a Ferrari? Seriously?

Aaron

Posted at 14:55h, 18 April

If Daniel 8 is yet to be fulfilled, as Joel has rightly taught, then Erdogan cant be the Antichrist. Maybe he’s the big horn that gets broken into four smaller ones?!

Joel

Posted at 20:58h, 18 April

Aaron,

Correct. It is a legitimate possibility.

Joel

Posted at 21:02h, 18 April

Will,

In truth, Alexander’s Empire did not break up into four. Five is more accurate for at least 21 years after Alexander died. Then after this, one could say there were only two dominant and a few smaller satrapies. Interestingly, the prominent horn on the goat is called the “first king of Yavan.” Yavan often being translated as Greece. Alexander was not the first king. His father was King Phillip II.

Sean

Posted at 15:07h, 20 April

Joel, I’ve gone back and forth over Daniel 8 as to whether it refers to Daniel’s near-future or far-future. The implication that the vision pertains to the “time of the end” is certainly true of the final little horn that emerges from the north. Here are some issues with making Daniel 8 an all-future prophecy.

First, it would require a modern, Turko-Iranian war in which Iran would have to get flattened. While that’s feasible, it would then require Iran to re-militarize and join Turkey in the invasion of Israel. Additionally, when we look to Isaiah 21, we see rather clearly that Elam/Iran is the rod of fire God allows to be raised up against Arabia. That has to be a parallel passage to Revelation 18, which ultimately ends Arabian Babylon. While certainly possible, it is somewhat of a complicated scenario in which Turkey (and maybe NATO) strikes Iran for expanding into Iraq, but then allows Iran to keep her nuclear weapons program. I think Joel’s suggestion of a prominent neo-Ottoman sultan (like Erdogan) rising to power and leaving a power-struggle after his death is perfectly plausible. There was a four-way power struggle in the USSR after Stalin died, eventually won by Krushchev. And the Ottomans had a storied history of killing their brothers to eliminate other heirs.

While that’s possible, I think the clearest biography of the Antichrist/Assyrian/Gog is found from Daniel 11:21-45. It doesn’t include nor preclude Daniel 8 from being part of of the last days. All things considered, I think we can safely say that there is sufficient, historic fulfillment of prophecy in Daniel 8 up until the arrival of the final little horn. However, we should surely be open to the possibility that, as Joel suggests, a regional war between Turkey and Iran could erupt.

Joel, I suggest that the burning of the harlot from Revelation 17-18. and the destruction of literal Babylon, coincide with Isaiah 21 and Ezekiel 38-39. I think Persia is part of the civil war that befalls Gog’s armies, and that may very well be when it lays waste to Saudi Arabia.

Awaiting the Jew who will rule the world,
Sean

Joel

Posted at 18:49h, 20 April

Sean,

Ezekiel 38-39 shows us that Iran will indeed come under Turkey’s sway. So actually, this only strengthens the idea that Turkey will defeat (not necessarily flatten) Iran. It creates the perfect mechanism to explain why Iran would ever come under a largely Sunni coalition.

David Heazlewood

Posted at 04:41h, 21 April

Thanks Joel,

I was wondering if you have any thoughts on the 1 Chronicles 5:1-6, genealogy of Reuben, where Gog is first presented in the Scriptures by name, by the Holy Spirit without any links.
As a “son of Joel”, could this be hinting at the Principle Angelic power behind the person in Ezekiel and Revelation? It seems that Satan is represented behind the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28, and also the Dragon represented in Pharaoh in Ezekiel 32?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts,
God Bless you,
David

Linda Keyes

Posted at 06:52h, 21 April

Joel

Im not trying to be deliberately awkward and i know your a very busy man,(smiley face) just genuinely wondering about this. I dont need you to answer,

Is it not possible that Iran submitting to Turkey is a battle that takes place after the coalition of the Ten Kings ? when as Daniel 7:8 says the little horn plucks up three horns,
For me at this time its hard to see how these scriptures are not talking about the same event:

like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. Dan7:6

and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. Dan8:8

his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven Dan11:4

In Daniel8:23 the latter part of his kingdom: i see this as meaning when the kingdom is resurrected in the last days, as the history leap in Daniel 11 seams to suggest.

I do realise that Alexanders kingdom did not just split into four, though four notable ones need not necessarily mean only four, short or long term, in the same way that our Notable Prime ministers: Churchill, Thatcher and Blair means only three. ( Dont smile to load) Im not denying that there could be a forward repeat.

Just thinking that if Daniel 8 is fully futuristic, then wouldn’t it follow that 7 and 11 would have to be too? Dan 7 definitely seems to imply some kind of four in regards to Alexanders Empire.

These are only my thoughts Joel, i am fully with and for you and recommend your site and books to all. Thanks for allowing me to share. (smiley face.) I wont bring it up again.

Sean

Posted at 12:17h, 21 April

Joel, I certainly agree that Ezekiel 38-39 places Turkey (Magog, Meshech and Tubal) in alliance with Iran (Persia). I believe they act together at the end of Daniel’s 70th Week. And that’s when I believe Isaiah 21/Revelation 18 unfolds, when the invasion of Israel turns south. I believe that is likely when Iran turns on the Sunnis and lights-up Saudi Arabia.

Daniel 8:5-7: And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. Then he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing beside the river, and ran at him with furious power. And I saw him confronting the ram; he was moved with rage against him, attacked the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to withstand him, but he cast him down to the ground and trampled him; and there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand.

To me — and I am not a Bible scholar, just a Deacon and a Bible study teacher at our church — the language sounds fairly grim for the ram. If this is an end times event, the he-goat is either Turkey or a NATO alliance (which would include Turkey). Joel, do you see the two horns of the ram as the Kurds and the Iranians, like the ancient Medes and Persians? Or do you suspect the horns are Iraq and Iran? Technically, this would fit the prophecy as well, as Iraq is the older “state” compared to Iran (1932 v. 1935).

Joel

Posted at 16:59h, 21 April

Well, it says the Medes and the Persians, so I would lean toward Iran and the Kurds.

Andrew M

Posted at 21:23h, 21 April

Hi Joel, great article again. Before I continue, I’d like to say I haven’t done in depth research on this. Something I feel like people overlook is the link between the Antichrist and Cyprus. Before he invades Jerusalem, he has a skirmish with Cyprus that seemingly doesn’t go to well for him. The article below points to a fight over gas and oil in the Mediteranean near Israel. Since Turkey and the Greek Cypriots are all already at odds with each other as I type this, it would only make sense that Gog arises out of Turkey and not Russia, along with all the other reasons you’ve provided. If you have any information on this topic of Cyprus, please share. Here’s the article I had read a while back.

Joel Varner

Posted at 20:08h, 22 April

I find it interesting that Erdogan has declared his “presidency” to last until 2029. If the “year-day” theory of Genesis is accurate, which I am leaning towards, it could leave a gap of 3.5 years between Erdogan leaving office to the year 2033 which could possibly be 2,000 years after Christ’s resurrection which would be 6,000 years after creation leading to the 7th Day, or Millennial Rest/Reign. It would leave his successor a time-span of 3 1/2 years to reign over the revived Caliphate. IF the theory is correct it seems to be playing out.

sandy willison

Posted at 08:45h, 24 April

Daniel says he makes a deal with many. If you study the lost tribes the only head tribe missing in some kind of treaty with turkey is france. Erdogran has one with israel and russia and is allies with england and us. He is helping fund the new temple as well. Besides russia doesn’t behead christians.

Will

Posted at 04:18h, 25 April

Joel.

In the reply to my original posting you commented:
Alexanders empire broke up into 5 not 4 factions
Also Alexander was not the first king technically his father was.
This is because you feel that Dan 8 is solely a future fulfillment
(it doesn’t refer to the former Alexander Empire at all but rather to a future Iran and Turkey conflict)
I dont see any problems with this analysis

I also agree with your understanding of “Greecia” (Strong’s H3120 – Yavan)
Strongs also makes a similar association between Yavan (Javan) and the other descendants of Japheth:

Gen 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, H3120 and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
1Ch 1:5 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, H3120 and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Eze 27:13 Javan, H3120 Tubal, and Meshech, they were thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.

Greecia (Strongs H3120) or “Yavan” is also alternately spelled “Javan” (according to Strongs) which is always directly associated with Gomer, Magog, Tubal, Meshech,
(the place where the Turks live)
So by the bible’s own description of the descendants of Japheth – Yavan (Javan) is also a descendant of Japheth – and likely located near it’s other siblings (in Turkey)

In regard to Russia:
I dont support the Russian Led Beast hypothesis. I was simply trying to point out that if this hypothesis claims that “Rosh” refers to Russia and that if it is also considered the “King of the North” and if Dan 10,11,12 refers to both a former and future manifestation of this King of the North – King of the South conflict then Russia cant be the King of the North because even if Russia becomes a future regional Power it was never part of the former manifestation that had a conflict with the King of the South (Egypt).
(the former and future manifestations of these 2 kingdoms have to be the same two kingdoms .)

Joel

Posted at 04:49h, 25 April

For clarity, I didn’t point out that Alexander’s Empire didn’t break up into four or that Alexander was not the first king of Yavan because of the possibility that Daniel 8 should be understood in a consistently futurist manner, rather because those are historical facts. The problem is that virtually every commentary you read, and thus virtually anything online will say that Alexander’s Empire did indeed break up into four. It is as though many Christian commentators have rewritten history to make it fit the prophecy. It simply is not the case. As for Daniel 11, I am in full agreement. It was speaking of the Seleucid Dynasty and the Ptolemaic Dynasty, and thus will likely involve the same two areas.

Bless you Will!

Gideon Prinsloo

Posted at 14:53h, 26 April

Very interestingly is that the Scripture focus very strong on the Mesopotamian nations along the Great Euphrates River, which includes Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Iran. Now there are some on the Roman Catholics who make wild accusations against the Protestant, claiming that we will stand with the Muslims and persecute the Roman Catholics who are considered as true Christians by the Roman Catholics with no evidence at all to support their claims. The lat time I checked the Muslims don’t ask if we are Protestant, Catholic or what, the mere fact that we are Christians is enough reason for the Muslims to kill us for it Also there are no evidence of any Protestant standing with the Muslims, nor that they were part of Adolf Hitler and Mussolini at all nor that the sided with the Turkish Ottoman Empire against the Roman Catholic during world War One at all since Kaiser Wilhelm II was Catholic, the Austro-Hungarian Empire under the Hapsburg was Catholic and both fought against the Slavic nations that led to world War One. The one I was debating with is Walid Shoebat, although I do have respect for him, he is imbalanced in his view that over favors the Catholics and are anti-Protestant bias with no clear evidence. Till today no Catholic could ever refute Martin Luther, the German Reformer since he clearly stated that unless the can proof from Scripture that his teachings are in error, he will no recant. The Muslims need no other group to stand with them and persecuting the Christians to death regardless of their affiliation whether be it Catholic, Protestant or Greek Orthodox

Will

Posted at 12:19h, 29 April

Joel

You previously stated:
“The problem is that virtually every commentary you read, and thus virtually anything online will say that Alexander’s Empire did indeed break up into four. It is as though many Christian commentators have rewritten history to make it fit the prophecy. ”

Prior to posting my comments I found similar results.
I actually did 2 different (online) searches for the breakup of Alexander’s Empire. The first time it came up with the typical 4 generals.
(I think I may have specified “Alexander Ptolemy & Seleucus”)
But when I did the 2nd search many days later I forgot what my exact search criteria was and when I did the 2nd search ( “Diadochi” ? ) it came up with a whole bunch of messy details.. Many other individuals/groups were involved. In other words it was a lot more complicated than just the 4 generals. I found similar results with the maps of the territories that the different factions ruled. So yeah things didn’t fit into the nice, neat package that we most often hear about. ( I suspect a bit of Historical Shoe-Horning.to make it fit )

Susan Findley

Posted at 07:40h, 07 May

I am a little confused by Clarissa Riddles question. Aren’t the Mahdi and the 12th Imam to be one and the sameness?

Sara L Simmons

Posted at 13:53h, 07 May

I praise our Lord for Watchmen like you… Thanks for saying yes to your Calling Joel… and May the Lord call your Name softly as you sleep and may He turn His face upon you and Shine His Shekinah upon you AND Yours with the Holy Lasting Shalom.
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One of the things that is always at the forefront of anything I read or hear about prophecy regarding “end times,” is how Jesus warned us of “false prophets” and “false teaching” as well as Paul’s warning to Timothy about…”even the elite being led astray.” This is what has compelled me to purchase your books because, I think you would appreciate my reason…I seek TRUTH and if this is truly something that God is allowing me to have understanding about, I will commit this to prayer. I have done several end time studies and am currently reading a most recent writing of the “decoding of Revelation.” Interestingly, I don’t read them to learn about God, rather to learn about man’s carnal idea of God. How often we keep trying to put Him in the box He busted out of when Jesus died on the cross. I am humbled to share in your understanding that God May be positioning the course of this world to begin this next season. But, Christians need to be aware that “the day of the Lord” may not be what they thought or were taught to be!
I pray we yield to the Holy Spirit to teach us how to pray.

Linda keyes

Posted at 13:22h, 18 May

Joel
No surprise Erdogans men are thugs, this little clip you may have already seen, shows Erdogan himself beating a man in 2014 in Turkey.

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