"Statisticly Speaking, You're Child is safer in a Gay Bar.........than in the Catholic Church."

---Dan Savage

I PRAY that Benedict will be dragged out of his gilded office, to be replaced by no one. We can then finally accept that decency, goodness and charity toward our fellow man is NOT to be based on mythology but on the very obvious premise that we can live better when we care about each other.

I PRAY that Benedict will be dragged out of his gilded office, to be replaced by no one. We can then finally accept that decency, goodness and charity toward our fellow man is NOT to be based on mythology but on the very obvious premise that we can live better when we care about each other.[/quote]

PowerRunner said"Statisticly Speaking, You're Child is safer in a Gay Bar.........than in the Catholic Church."

---Dan Savage

I PRAY that Benedict will be dragged out of his gilded office, to be replaced by no one. We can then finally accept that decency, goodness and charity toward our fellow man is NOT to be based on mythology but on the very obvious premise that we can live better when we care about each other.

You can be sure, though, that if Benedict is depoped, he will be replaced with another. The Catholic Church will never get rid of its hierarchy until doomesday.

Scripture foretells that before the coming of Christ, the Anti-Christ will be revealed. I believe we are seeing a fulfillment of this prophecy in the current scandal of the papacy as Christ foretold. He will overthrow the papacy by the breath of his mouth in his second coming. All are urged to come out of her as the Harlot, which revelation prophecied. I believe we are going to see a mass exodus in the Roman Catholic Church soon because of the revealing of this scandal.

Arnulf Bishop of Orleans (Roman Catholic)"deplored the roman popes as "monsters of guilt" and declared in a council called by the King of France in 991ad that the pontiff, clad in purple and gold, was, "Antichrist, sitting in the temple of God, and showing himself as God" -Phillip Schaff, History of the Christian church, 8 vols., reprint of the 3d (1910)ed. (Grand Rapids Mich.: Wm. B Eerdmans Publishing Co., n.d.)

Eberhard II, archbishop of Salzburg (Roman Catholic)"stated at a synod of bishops held at Regensburg in 1240 (some scholars say 1241) that the people of his day were "accustomed" to calling the pope antichrist." -LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of our Fathers, 4 vols. (Wash DC: Review and Herald publishing assc, 1950-1954)

John Wycliffe"When the western church was divided for about 40 years between two rival popes, one in Rome and the other in Avigon, France, each pope called the other pope antichrist - and John Wycliffe is reputed to have regarded them as both being right: "two halves of Antichrist, making up the perfect Man of Sin between them." -Ibid

Martin Luther (Lutheran) "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 2., pg. 121 by Froom. (In response to a papal bull [official decree]): "I despise and attack it, as impious, false... It is Christ Himself who is condemned therein... I rejoice in having to bear such ills for the best of causes. Already I feel greater liberty in my heart; for at last I know that the pope is antichrist, and that his throne is that of Satan himself." --D'Aubigné, b.6, ch. 9.

Cotton Mather (Congregational Theologian) "The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from The Fall of Babylon by Cotton Mather in Froom's book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 3, pg. 113.

John Wesley (Methodist) Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms by John Wesley, pg. 110.

Ellen G. White: Seven Day Adventists"This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan's power--a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will.

Thomas Cranmer (Anglican) "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.

Roger Williams (First Baptist Pastor in America) He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.

1689 London Baptist Confession

Chapter 26: Of the Church. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. ( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )

John Knox (Scotch Presbyterian) Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Taken from The Zurich Letters, pg. 199 by John Knox.

John Calvin (Presbyterian) "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from Institutes by John Calvin.

Presbyterian Church (Year 2000) The following Resolution was unanimously passed by the South Atlantic Presbytery of the Bible Presbyterian Church meeting in Charlotte, North Carolina, March 25, 2000.

The Resolution is as follows-

THE THREAT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE 21ST CENTURY

Whereas: The mass media has captivated the world with the activities of Pope John Paul II during his visit to the Holy Land in March 2000; and

Whereas: The Vatican and the Lutheran World Federation have signed, in October, 1999 a joint declaration of accord on the doctrine of justification (only the synods of Wisconsin and Missouri dissented); and

Whereas: In the middle of February, 200, PLO chairman Yasser Arafat met with Pope John Paul II at the vatican to sign an agreement regarding the future of Jerusalem that warned Israel against any unilateral decision affecting Jerusalem; and

Whereas: Bob Jones University has been unjustly slandered for anti-catholic bias by Senators McCain, Torricelli, Hollings and the liberal mass media; and

Whereas: The House of Representatives of the U.S. Congress has just appointed a Roman Catholic priest as its chaplain for the first time, March 23, 2000; and

Whereas: Pope John Paul II has declared the year 2000 a "Great Jubilee Year" for Roman Catholics that establishes the restoration of indulgences, THE VERY ISSUE THAT PROMPTED MARTIN LUTHER TO DRAFT THE 95 THESES IN OCTOBER OF 1517: papal spokesman Timothy Shugrue states, "The indulgence is one of the spiritual privleges extended during Jubilee. It is a way of applying the merits of the good deeds of the saints and the Virgin Mary and CHrist Himself to the rest of us.";

Therefore: The South Atlantic Presbytery of the Bible Presbyterian Church, at its spring meeting in the Bible Presbyterian Church of Charlotte, N.C., March 25, 2000, resolves and warns the Roman Catholic Church, Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth (Rev 17:5) constitutes the greatest threat to fundamental Christianity in the 21st century! The Roman Catholic Church has long since forsaken the Bible alone, Grace alone, faith alone, and Christ alone. There should be no confraternity with this apostate church in ministerial associations, community easter sunrise services, Thanksgiving services, mass evangelism or common social endeavors. We admonish devout believers to lovingly and firmly win Roman Catholics to Christ and urge new converts to obey Rev. 18:4, "And I heard a another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my pe

I will bring this topic up in the employee coffee bar tommorrow and let the sectarian violence begin ...........There are a couple employees I have worked with over the years that like to wear thier Catholicism on thier sleeve. They do not subscibe to the "live and let live" or spiritual nature of things.

The irony is the Church talks about the sacredness of human rights, but seems to be one of the worst violators (past and present), or should I say if your not one of them then you better watch out.

I hate to think about what our lives as gay men would be like if one church ruled without challenge and there were not any of the higher thought movements such as the Reformation, Age of Enlightenment, ect.

Hopefully I skated thru the above without putting my foot in my mouth.

PowerRunner said"Statisticly Speaking, You're Child is safer in a Gay Bar.........than in the Catholic Church."

---Dan Savage

I PRAY that Benedict will be dragged out of his gilded office, to be replaced by no one. We can then finally accept that decency, goodness and charity toward our fellow man is NOT to be based on mythology but on the very obvious premise that we can live better when we care about each other.

After my experiences in life and gay men, I'm not sure I would put that to the test with any child of mine.

The Legal SatyriconThis sounds like a great idea: Arresting the Pope. Too bad it won’t happen. But, if it did, imagine the poetic justice of him getting raped in the joint… and then the guards could cover it up so that the prison doesn’t get a bad reputation.

PowerRunner said"Statisticly Speaking, You're Child is safer in a Gay Bar.........than in the Catholic Church."

---Dan Savage

I PRAY that Benedict will be dragged out of his gilded office, to be replaced by no one. We can then finally accept that decency, goodness and charity toward our fellow man is NOT to be based on mythology but on the very obvious premise that we can live better when we care about each other.

Did you see that episode of South Park with the Hare Club? Now that's what we need. Seriously.