It may be true that Allah commands justice,the doing of good etc etc,but these concepts are only acceptable to Allah if you believe in him and his messenger Mohammed,i.e.is a Muslim.All others not accepting these rules are designated as amongst other things,

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if the Bible,especially the N.T. is in error,then the Quran is on very shaky ground.3:55 explains:Behold!Allah said "OJesus!I will take you and raise you to myself and clear you(of the falsehoods)of those who blaspheme.I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith,to the Day of Resurrection etc

Firstly,Again for the third time, there is no relationship between the holy Quran and the distorted Bible.

Secondly,The main problems of non-Muslims is interpreting the verses of the holy Quran wrongly. You misunderstand the verse ""I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith,to the Day of Resurrection""

Please provide evidence that the Bible is distorted.Until you can do so,the Bible stands as written,given all the evidence, provided through archaeologial discoveries,eg The Dead Sea Scrolls.

Contrary to your protestations, there is,(and has to be ) a relationship between the Bible and Quran,for the Quran to have any credence.The Quran is allegedly, a continuation of the Gospel message,with references to Biblical prophets,but interestingly, distorts many Christian truths,such as equating Mary into the Trinity,5:116,and rejecting the central theme of Christian faith,that is, Jesus is the Son of God,who was crucified,and arose from the dead after three days.This main doctine of Christian faith, which incidentally is prophesied throughout the O.T. is totally rejected in the Quran

Further,the Gospel,has no similarity whatsoever with Quranic commands, neither has the example and words of Jesus,against the Sunnah of Mohammed.

According to tafsir <interpretation> of Al-Jalalyin:

"I am setting those who follow you, those Christians and Muslims who believed in your prophecy, above those who disbelieved, in you, namely, the Jews, becoming above them through [definitive] argument and the sword, until the Day of Resurrection."

"who follow you" means Muslims and Christians who believe in the prophecy of Jesus.

"who reject faith" means the Jews who disbelieve in Jesus.

The Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah, Christians do.Jews therefore, have no reason to listen or accept anything Jesus says or does, the faith you refer to is faith in Allah and his messenger Mohammed.It stands as written in the Quran,"I will make those who follow you (meaning Christians)superior to those who reject faith"

So, again, in some words. The interpretation of this verse is:

''Those who believe in the prophecy of Jesus are superior to those who disbelieve in him''

In the past, before distorting the Bible, Christians believe in the prophecy of Jesus but now they believe that the prophet Jesus <Peace be upon him> is god not prophet so the verse refers to both Muslims and the ancient Christians who believed in the prophecy of Jesus

Why should the literal word of Allah need interpretation?Name the prophesies of Jesus that you mention.Christians base their faith,(and always have done so) on the divine nature of Jesus,not on any prophesey Jesus may or may not have made.

Why would the allegedly same divine force say, the followers of Jesus,generally called Christians,are superior to unbelievers in Allah and his messenger?This statement completely contradicts the rest of the Quranic message,which commands faith in Allah and his messenger Mohammed.

There is no contradictions in the holy Quran...You misinterpret the verses of the holy quran..

The N.T.shows clearly, Jesus was a man with a benign message, for the guidence of mens souls.

But there are many verses in the Bible show that Jesus is not a man with a benign message like verses of violence..No one until now can answer my questions about Bible but I answered most of your questions about the holy Quran and Hadith.

Conversely,Mohammed was a man of his time, 7th century Arabia,who only knew about desert survial of the fittest.The hadith in Al Bukhari Book 52 Volume 4 Numbers 41 onwards, clearly show Mohammed to be a desert warrior,who interpreted the Gospel message for his own purposes, i.epower,wealth and control,putting is own diabolical spin on how mankind should be led to a heavenly reward,through following his own example and his contrived god's rules and regulations.

Please, give me the full context of Hadith.I did do,when I gave you the full Haddith reference in Bukhari Book 52 Volume 4 Numbers 41 onwards,Named Fighting in the cause of Allah (jihad)

when it commands hostilities between Musims and Non Muslims for all times and places

According to The holy Quran:

Muslims should not start aggression on any one but If some one starts aggression on Muslims>>Muslims must defend themselves and fight.

Not so, Quran 2:216"Fighting is prescribed.......Put all these fighting verses held in the Quran,with Bukhari Hadith Book 52,you have the recipe for Muslim warriors for all time and places,fighting in Allahs cause to claim victory for this Allah.That means the killing of unbelievers,or to put it another more factual way,their fellow humans.

The time has come, for Muslims to bite the bullet,and come to the realisation that they are following the rantings of an unbalanced man,( a false prophet) who granted,

Give me unrepeated evidences from the holy Quran show that the prophet Mohamed is an unbalanced man.

See all of the above.

and to make them pay a humiliating Jizyah tax.

Do you mainly know the meaning of "Jizya"?

It is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power

In return, non-Muslim citizens were permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to Muslim state's protection from outside aggression, to be exempted from military service and the zakat taxes obligatory upon Muslim citizens.

Slaves, women, children, the old, the sick,monks, hermits and the poor, were all exempt from Jizya.

Islam was not the first religion to pre-ordain the Jizya and Muslims were not the first nation to levy the Jizya unto the peoples subdued by them. Victorious nations throughout history have persisted in levying the Jizya on their conquered subjects. Examples of such an action are abundant in human history.

This is reflected in the New Testament when Christ(P) told Simon the following:

No it is not.

"What do you think Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes – from their own sons or from others?" "From others" Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt" Jesus said to him." (Matthew 17:24-25)

The tax you refer to by Jesus is no way connected to his message for his followers,unlike Allah.You conveniently overlook the main jist of this verse.

Muslims are commanded to "fight those who do not believe in Allah or his messenger,until they feel subdued"Allahs tax is "protection money",meaning Christians and others may practice their faith only under duress,such as no proselytising,no re-building of churches,and other such restrictions.In other words they had restricted freedoms.

a god, that can be like human being, who able to reflect same joy, sadness and pain, is kinda god, I could sympathize with. if such a god, indeed existed. but this god, does not really exist. the fictional god in the bible does not has these traits. neither does he exist. same for imaginary allah of yours.

you seems unable to grasp the difference.

I embrace truth...I feel comfortable because i am Muslim.I am proud of Allah and my noble prophet Mohammed <Peace Be Upon Him>...

nonsensical.

Yes, I can do that if Allah,glory to him, wants me to do so...Allah is almighty and can do any thing which he wants so I believe in miracles....

get to it then. don't make us wait to long, might think you were a bullshiter after all.

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“a true believer as a person so fanatically committed to a cause that no amount of reality can make him abandon it”Eric Hoffer

frankie wrote:there is no relationship between the holy Quran and the distorted Bible.

of course there is no relationship. what gave that idea? the resemblance to the characters or the stories between "the holy Quran and the distorted Bible" purely coincidental.

Hello ygalg:

I seem to have messed up the rhythm of the post by Islam seemhan and myself somwhat.Apologies for that.The referenced quote that you point to is not mine,because of this confusion,however my reply was this:

"Contrary to your protestations, there is,(and has to be ) a relationship between the Bible and Quran,for the Quran to have any credence.The Quran is allegedly, a continuation of the Gospel message,with references to Biblical prophets,but interestingly, distorts many Christian truths,such as equating Mary into the Trinity,5:116,and rejecting the central theme of Christian faith,that is, Jesus is the Son of God,who was crucified,and arose from the dead after three days.This main doctine of Christian faith, which incidentally is prophesied throughout the O.T. is totally rejected in the Quran

Further,the Gospel,has no similarity whatsoever with Quranic commands, neither has the example and words of Jesus,against the Sunnah of Mohammed."

Whilst I would agree in fact that there is no relationship between the Bible and Quran,there is, ONLY in theory,because of the Muslim insistence that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same.

It's a mystery, isn't it. Why do we refuse to live our lives in the exact way that some crazy Arab said to? It seems so attractive not to actually have to think for ourselves and to live in a total dictatorship which is geared entirely for the Middle Ages and has no relation whatsoever to the modern world. It also does seem appealing to be able to own slaves and have sex with them whenever we feel like it, or to marry our first cousins, and we all like killing dogs on sight, especially yappy ones, but we can't help thinking there must be some kind of catch. It's just too good an offer to be true. Same with the Jew murder. Sure, Muhammad tells us that we'll be rewarded for killing Jews with nice young children to have sex with, but how do we know he will deliver? Maybe all he can really get is some old hags. We want to SEE the child sex slaves before we commit to killing Jews for Allah. Is there something unreasonable about that? It's standard practice to show the virgins BEFORE the job. Also, we'd like one of them in advance. One virgin up front and 71 on completion of the hits on the Jews. What's unfair about that?

And yes, I can post in this forum because I am an ex-Muslim. I was a Muslim for 5 minutes then I found it unrewarding and tedious so I quit.

dionysus wrote:One of the reasons I left Mohammadism (let's not call it Islam, because it means peace) was that it is one religion which has truly made — women a sex symbol.

Islam means submission or surrendering and not peace.

Look around yourself and you'll find people with virtues are never required to demand respect since they automatically earn it. It is only those that are devoid of any virtues need to threaten and bully to gain respect. Needless to say that quran cannot be from God.