@EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

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Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Really though, that entire thread was comprised pretty much of the same school of thought. With hindsight being what it is, it looks silly now, but at the time, pegging Lance for $8-10 million per season was a pretty big stretch. Hell, at that point we weren't even sure if he was going to start for us this season.

Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Look Lance needs us more then he realizes i would bet my absolute bottom dollar if he went to the some mediocre middle team like the bucks or charlotte for example he would be out of the league in about 3 or 4 years.

im not joking either.

he will be making a very unwise decision if he was to leave this team.

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Lance is a role player. On any other team his assists get cut in half. His boards are padded because of the way our defense is setup and he is very inconsistent on scoring. Teams would be paying him for his effort every single night but when he is forced to be the 1st or 2nd option they will be left disappointed. I love his game and everything brings. I have enjoyed watching him turn into the player he has become. But he is not the piece to break the bank on. There are a lot of shooting guards that can play defense.

If this team was not competing for a championship now would be the time to trade him in a package with granger and cope.

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Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

I've been thinking 8 mil. I've been hoping 6 mil. But, both could be purely wishful thinking by season end if he continues this tear he's on, especially if he shows consistency.

I do think he will resign here for acouple mil less per year as he is comfortable here and I don't think he is a guy that adapts well. I just hope he realizes that this team has his back and understands him, which I'm sure he does, but those dollor signs and people around him could influence his decision. Who is his agent?

I could be reading into this to much, but I do think he could flop big time going to another team. Especially one that wants him to do more. As great as Lance is, he is his own worst enemy and Frank keeps him under control. Would other coaches have the patience for Lance?

Yes Lance is 23, but he has been here 4 years and still hasn't gotten it yet. I mean, his talent has never been questioned, its always been about playing NBA basketball. I just don't think it would be wise to pay more then 8 mil for any team other then us. Some players change teams and never recover, I think Lance could be leading the pack of those careers around the league if he goes someplace else to soon.

Last edited by Pacer Fan; 12-29-2013 at 10:15 PM.

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Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Sounds about right. No one is throwing a max contract at a one year wonder with baggage like Stephenson. Lance is more valuable to the Pacers than he is for every other team in the league. Contract offers this offseason should reflect that.

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I'm guessing we offer Lance somewhere around $7-8 million with a player option in the last year. Maybe he'll get a million or two less for a couple years but playing on a high level playoff team for a few more seasons will increase his long term value for his next-next contract.

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At 12, don't you have to let him walk and replace him, just like Larry said. I hate it, but it gets to the point where you have to take a step back and think about the overall picture.

I think you resign him to 12 if you are all in for a championship for the next 3 years and you give him a 5 year deal. TO me this has a lot to do with where you think PG will end up and if Lance can surpass that level of play. I am not saying he can but realistically he just might be able to be on that level if he can keep his shooting form consistient. Then you have assets to trade down the road much like the great teams that reload with talent rather than going through a total rebuild.

Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

I could be reading into this to much, but I do think he could flop big time going to another team. Especially one that wants him to do more. As great as Lance is, he is his own worst enemy and Frank keeps him under control. Would other coaches have the patience for Lance?

Yes Lance is 23, but he has been here 4 years and still hasn't gotten it yet. I mean, his talent has never been questioned, its always been about playing NBA basketball. I just don't think it would be wise to pay more then 8 mil for any team other then us. Some players change teams and never recover, I think Lance could be leading the pack of those careers around the league if he goes someplace else to soon.

Say Wha?? Lance hasn't gotten it yet? LOL, he is the starting shooting guard on the best team in the East. He is probably going to make the all-star game. I could see about a dozen teams in the league trying to build around this guy. Namely the Lakers, because he has showtime written all over his game, and Kobe is gonna need great passer to continue setting him up over. Lance will end the season averaging near 20 points a game with 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds. He is literally turning into a mini-Lebron. Break down the defense? Check. Rebounding? Check. Setting up teammates? Check. Hard nosed defense? Check? Score in bunches? Check. Good Flopper? Check. He is like Lebron James with a Napoleon complex.

Bird said he would let Lance walk if he got better offers. I dont' think so. Bird is not letting this guy get away. He will pay 12 mil all day and think it is a bargain. PG got a max contract after one good season. Lance will most likely be the reason this team wins a championship, because he isn't predictable on offense. He is the X-factor that keeps our team lively on the offensive end.

If Bird let this guy walk, it would be a signal that Simon isn't in it to win a championship and that would send waves through the locker room, and you can be assured that all our core players right now will walk then their contracts are up in a couple of years.

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Suggesting letting Lance walk or trade him is borderline insanity. He is one of the best up and coming players in the league. The same level as Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irvin, Damian Lillard, etc. None of those guys are being traded anytime soon.

If turner beats out hill and mahinmi in camp then fine, but odds of that happening are slim.

Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Say Wha?? Lance hasn't gotten it yet? LOL, he is the starting shooting guard on the best team in the East. He is probably going to make the all-star game. I could see about a dozen teams in the league trying to build around this guy. Namely the Lakers, because he has showtime written all over his game, and Kobe is gonna need great passer to continue setting him up over. Lance will end the season averaging near 20 points a game with 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds. He is literally turning into a mini-Lebron. Break down the defense? Check. Rebounding? Check. Setting up teammates? Check. Hard nosed defense? Check? Score in bunches? Check. Good Flopper? Check. He is like Lebron James with a Napoleon complex.

Bird said he would let Lance walk if he got better offers. I dont' think so. Bird is not letting this guy get away. He will pay 12 mil all day and think it is a bargain. PG got a max contract after one good season. Lance will most likely be the reason this team wins a championship, because he isn't predictable on offense. He is the X-factor that keeps our team lively on the offensive end.

If Bird let this guy walk, it would be a signal that Simon isn't in it to win a championship and that would send waves through the locker room, and you can be assured that all our core players right now will walk then their contracts are up in a couple of years.

There is no doubt that Bird will want to keep Lance around for the long term, as well he should. But there is a point where it just won't be possible. $12 mil per, is probably above that point.

If say, Charlotte offers Lance $48-50 million for 4 years, I think you have to congratulate Lance, and say good luck.

Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

Suggesting letting Lance walk or trade him is borderline insanity. He is one of the best up and coming players in the league. The same level as Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irvin, Damian Lillard, etc. None of those guys are being traded anytime soon.

He has been great this season. He is not on the same level as those guys. Not at all.

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Say Wha?? Lance hasn't gotten it yet? LOL, he is the starting shooting guard on the best team in the East. He is probably going to make the all-star game.

You realize George Hill has substantially more votes than Lance does? With all the hate Hill gets on this board, and all the love Lance gets Hill is still beating him by 16,000 votes, according to the numbers released 3 days ago. I think that should dampen the, "Lance is probably going to be an all-star" talk. It isn't very likely, not this year at least.

I could see about a dozen teams in the league trying to build around this guy.

I could see it too, but I think it would be a mistake that doesn't really understand why Lance is able to be successful with the Pacers.

Namely the Lakers, because he has showtime written all over his game, and Kobe is gonna need great passer to continue setting him up over. Lance will end the season averaging near 20 points a game with 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds.

20 ppg really? He is currently averaging under 14ppg.

Bird said he would let Lance walk if he got better offers. I dont' think so. Bird is not letting this guy get away. He will pay 12 mil all day and think it is a bargain.

So you don't think Bird believes what he says?

PG got a max contract after one good season. Lance will most likely be the reason this team wins a championship, because he isn't predictable on offense.

You overvalue Lance. This team can win the championship with or without Lance, Lance just makes it easier.

If Bird let this guy walk, it would be a signal that Simon isn't in it to win a championship and that would send waves through the locker room, and you can be assured that all our core players right now will walk then their contracts are up in a couple of years.

No, it means that someone else offered Lance more money than he is worth. it has no bearing on what Simon thinks.

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There is no doubt that Bird will want to keep Lance around for the long term, as well he should. But there is a point where it just won't be possible. $12 mil per, is probably above that point.

If say, Charlotte offers Lance $48-50 million for 4 years, I think you have to congratulate Lance, and say good luck.

Its more likely that they will sign Lance and trade George Hill to avoid the luxury tax. Not that I am advocating that, but thats what will happen in that situation. Lance is Bird's guy. Honestly Hill is the most replaceable player on the roster. A tween-er guard who can defend? George Hill can easily net this team an expiring contract and a replacement guard.

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Its more likely that they will sign Lance and trade George Hill to avoid the luxury tax. Not that I am advocating that, but thats what will happen in that situation. Lance is Bird's guy. Honestly Hill is the most replaceable player on the roster. A tween-er guard who can defend? George Hill can easily net this team an expiring contract and a replacement guard.

You are making assumptions based on nothing, but your own personal wishes of what would happen.

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You realize George Hill has substantially more votes than Lance does? With all the hate Hill gets on this board, and all the love Lance gets Hill is still beating him by 16,000 votes, according to the numbers released 3 days ago. I think that should dampen the, "Lance is probably going to be an all-star" talk. It isn't very likely, not this year at least.

Coaches will decide this one

I could see it too, but I think it would be a mistake that doesn't really understand why Lance is able to be successful with the Pacers.

20 ppg really? He is currently averaging under 14ppg.

I said near, I think so I think that means with in 3 points? I pretty sure Lance will get to that point by seasons end.

So you don't think Bird believes what he says?Bird says alot of BS, he says it straight, but its still BS.

You overvalue Lance. This team can win the championship with or without Lance, Lance just makes it easier.Over Value? When Lance is playing well, the Pacers are blowing teams out. He is the one player that the elite teams can not really game plan for

No, it means that someone else offered Lance more money than he is worth. it has no bearing on what Simon thinks.
It will mean something when Bird goes to Simon and says that Lance has an offer for 12 mil, are you gonna let me match it? Bird will ask, he has no reason not to ask. Bird would love to go over the cap and get all the players he wants. Its Simon who lays out the spending rules.

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Lance will have to average just short of 19, from here on out to get his average up to 17pts.

In order to average 17 pts per game, he'd need 1394 total points on the season. He currently has 399, so he needs just about 1000. 1000/53 (# of games left)=18.86. He'll probably end up right around 14-16pts.

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

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I guess when i say "end the season averaging 20ppg" I am speaking to his current play at the time. Not his total for the season. Meaning he will averaging near 20ppg for the last 2 months of the season or so. Tricky syntax there.