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I suspect that is exactly the reason why the villians pretended to be Nanoha and Fate. It was so that her wish would be their destruction. The book is just going to try to do exactly what Fate desired at that moment when her family was murdered in front of her eyes -- kill the people she blamed.

And there was a part earlier in the episode where Yuuno discovered that when the Book is completed, it changes the personality of its Master to make them violent and destructive. Perhaps you missed that? Though I am wondering if those twins are always there to make sure that there is a catalyst for that violence.

Spoiler for 9:

That's exactly what I was thinking, about the reason why they impersonated Nanoha and Fate, a pretty wicked thing to do. It's pretty obvious what Hayate was thinking at that moment. However, weren't their voices slightly different? But I suppose she wouldn't notice that at a time like that. As for what's going to happen next, I'm hoping the remainder of the knights will somehow get through to her and make her realize what her true wish is (something like continue living her life with them, and getting cured). Vita seems to know something, buried deep within her memory.

I was surprised to see a second villain, and also that they went for the cloud knights this time so the book could get completed, instead of getting Nanoha and Fate defeated again.

I was surprised to see a second villain, and also that they went for the cloud knights this time so the book could get completed, instead of getting Nanoha and Fate defeated again.

Spoiler:

It isn't possible for them to go for Nanoha and Fate again. Remember it was said in an earlier episode that once you've been targetted, the book cannot target you again, so both of them are now immune to its effects.

It isn't possible for them to go for Nanoha and Fate again. Remember it was said in an earlier episode that once you've been targetted, the book cannot target you again, so both of them are now immune to its effects.

Spoiler:

That's not what I meant, I never said it was to get their linker core. I already know they couldn't be used to fill the book again. But the wolkenritter couldn't let them go this time, and I thought the mystery guy(s) would help get them out of the way. Instead they cast a bind on everyone there, extracted the knights' cores, and impersonated Nanoha and Fate to manipulate Hayate into going on the destructive path. Not at all what I expected when I first saw them show up again in ep9.

You know, re-watching this show subbed over the holidays (as far as Triad's gotten) has given me a totally newfound appreciation for their plot twists. I mean, really. There's what? I counted 9 large unexpected events, as opposed to most other series I've watched this year having a big goose egg.

Truly, Nanoha is a show for plot twists.

Now, in regards to technical design

Spoiler for ep13 ending stuff:

If they make a season 3 and the girls are teens, what does everyone expect of the costume and weapon designs? I personally would like to see some more changes. The barrier jacket changes for A's were small but well-fitted. I'd also like to see their intelligent devices start out looking just a little different, even from how they did after the cartridges were installed. Also, I don't remember but did Hayate have cartridges?

That would make sense given how that Yaten no madousho's records mage's moves. Although by end of Nanoha has become an intellegent device of its own (in a sense 'complete')... given Velka type all use cartrige in A's, Reinforce might also chew up shells.

Nanoha's absolutely wonderful in that way. The amount of speculation on what's to happen next when ep 9 first came out was estatic. Every blogger's and raw follower's got an assumption during the time. Not alot of anime during '05 did that.

That would make sense given how that Yaten no madousho's records mage's moves. Although by end of Nanoha has become an intellegent device of its own (in a sense 'complete')... given Velka type all use cartrige in A's, Reinforce might also chew up shells.

About the plot twists, though...Was anyone really wondering what was gonna happen in the end since the first appearance of the masked guy? And then when the Cloud Knights were revealed to be trying to help Hayate? It might turn out to be a formulaic "we fight each other pointlessly for most of the season, then join together to fight the 3rd enemy at the end" type of deal. But it's still up in the air.

Though the first season had a simpler plot, I thought it was pretty compelling, because you really didn't know if Fate was gonna give up on her mom or not.

In spite of all that, the recent developments with the Christmas Eve meeting was really cool and unpredicted. Vita seems like she might be the a character with an inner conflict, as she seemed really affected by the christmas visit with Nanoha&co. Maybe she'll be the first to work together with them.

Well episode 10 sure had some more unexpected surprises in store, the twin baddies turn out to be admiral Graham's familiars in an attempt to trap Hayate and the Book of Darkness in limbo. Perhaps I could've made the connection when we found out there were two of them, but still, I wouldn't have expected those familiars to be that powerful. One thing that ticked me off about their plot is how they seemingly were ready to sacrifice Nanoha and Fate to achieve their results aswell. I'm sure those two won't be too pleased with him when they find out.

The other surprise was Arisa and Suzuka showing up. Aside from them finding out about the magical girl secret which definately spices things up, I can't help but wonder how they got there in the first place? The area was completely deserted, except for them. They are connected to Nanoha/Fate aswell as Hayate, I suppose that has something to do with it. The magical barrier thing brings me to another matter though, which I hadn't taken note of before, since it was never as evident as in this episode. What exactly is going on within that magical barrier, why are the people gone and where did they go, and wouldn't there be alot of unexplained damage to the buildings etc in the area after the fight was over?

Now as for speculation about episode 11+, I wonder if Hayate/Book-san has any idea she could have also obliterated Arisa and Suzuka in that attack, and perhaps that might be a way to get through to her. Book-san unfortunately has a one track mind, fulfilling that destructive wish, rather than looking past the anger of that moment and thinking about Hayate's real wish which I assume is continueing to live with the Knights. If Book-san wasn't focussing on one thing so much, she would realize the Knights are a part of her and she could easily recreate them. I suppose this might happen in the end though, once Nanoha (from the outside) and Fate (from the inside) get through to her.

Well episode 10 sure had some more unexpected surprises in store, the twin baddies turn out to be admiral Graham's familiars in an attempt to trap Hayate and the Book of Darkness in limbo. Perhaps I could've made the connection when we found out there were two of them, but still, I wouldn't have expected those familiars to be that powerful. One thing that ticked me off about their plot is how they seemingly were ready to sacrifice Nanoha and Fate to achieve their results aswell. I'm sure those two won't be too pleased with him when they find out.

Spoiler for ep10:

I believe that Graham's logic is that since the Book of Darkness always kills a lot of people whenever it appears, by sacrificing Fate and Nanoha he is going to save many people in the future. By paying the high price of 3 innocent lives he can save dozens or hundreds of innocent lives. His cold logic makes great sense.

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There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

I can understand that point, although he didn't mention that little tidbit in his explanation and made it seem like the only unfortunate casualty would be Hayate. If that was considered illegal, then putting Nanoha's and Fate's lives on the line might be aswell. Also, there could have been another way to achieve the same result. Or they could at least make some sacrifices of their own, rather than involve others without their knowledge. I wonder what would have happened if there had been no further manipulation and the book was completed without Hayate having such a destructive wish. Nanoha and Fate were worried that the book would still consume her, at the very least.

Well I just finished watching the raws for ep11-13. While this ends as one of my favorite shows of 2005, I was slightly disappointed in the predictability of the overall plot. It was essentially the same overall idea as Season 1.

When I first started watching this, I thought it would basically end up like this. The knights were misguidedly trying to fill the book of darkness to save Hayate (Fate wanted to help her Mom). And that in the end they would join the forces of "good" and fight against the book (just as Fate helped Nanoha in the end). Hayate also would somehow play a pivitol role in defeating it.

Oh sure, there were a few small plot twists that I didn't expect such as the twins being the masked man and Graham being behind them. I had thought it would somehow be Chrono's "dead" father (which would have made a more interesting twist).

But still, it was a fun ride. They did the only thing they could do to improve on the great magical girl battles between Fate and Nanoha by increasing the numbers so the sky was full of magical girls fighting. And that was fine by me.

I do feel sorry for all the lolicons watching episode 13. It's all over for them and its starting to get good for the rest of us (Nanoha, move that pony tail to the center. All that weight on one side will make your head permanently lean to one side). Hopefully we will get a season 3. Though I'm guessing that their battle armor/costumes will have changed due to them growing up. Otherwise we'll get what happened in Okusama wa Mahou Shoujo to Ureshiko. Though, that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I do feel sorry for all the lolicons watching episode 13. It's all over for them and its starting to get good for the rest of us (Nanoha, move that pony tail to the center. All that weight on one side will make your head permanently lean to one side). Hopefully we will get a season 3. Though I'm guessing that their battle armor/costumes will have changed due to them growing up. Otherwise we'll get what happened in Okusama wa Mahou Shoujo to Ureshiko. Though, that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Spoiler:

*Pictures adult Nanoha in white mini-skirt and sleeveless top* ... Yeah, not a bad thing at all

I believe that Graham's logic is that since the Book of Darkness always kills a lot of people whenever it appears, by sacrificing Fate and Nanoha he is going to save many people in the future. By paying the high price of 3 innocent lives he can save dozens or hundreds of innocent lives. His cold logic makes great sense.

Spoiler for ep10:

Wait, I think the two familiars were banking on the hope (around 6:00 of the ep.) that the two (Nanoha and Fate) would survive before Book of Darkness goes out of control, in which the familiars would then freeze it and put it in limbo. Nanoha and Fate would still be alive using Graham's plan, if they survive that is.

And...

Spoiler for ep13:

Teen Hayate still looks cute, but for teen Fate and teen Nanoha... err... let's just say their designs are a bit off from what I expected.