Left-wing feminists have a hard time dealing with strong, successful conservative women in politics such as Margaret Thatcher. Sarah Palin seems to have truly unhinged more than a few, eliciting a stream of vicious, often misogynist invective. On Salon.com last week,

Cintra Wilson branded her a "Christian Stepford Wife" and a "Republican blow-up doll."

Wendy Doniger, religion professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, added on the Washington Post blog, "Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."

You'd think that, whether or not they agree with her politics, feminists would at least applaud Mrs. Palin as a living example of one of their core principles: a woman's right to have a career and a family.

Yet some feminists unabashedly suggest that her decision to seek the vice presidency makes her a bad and selfish mother. Others argue that she is bad for working mothers because she's just too good at having it all.

Not to be mean either, because God knows I love females but has anyone else noticed the majority of women against Palin are homely as a mule? Looks aren't everything but lets be honest, nothing's better then a beautiful looking female and these feminists look like they dove from the ugly tree hitting every branch before landing in a tub full of lard. Just sayin':p

megimoo

09-15-2008, 09:55 AM

The feminists dislike her because of her views on abortion
Partially, but the real reason is because she's not a crying liberal whining bitch who hates all of the oppressive men unless they are on their knees and kissing their PC butts ! Paulin is the real thing and that drives them crazy .

megimoo

09-15-2008, 10:03 AM

Not to be mean either, because God knows I love females but has anyone else noticed the majority of women against Palin are homely as a mule? Looks aren't everything but lets be honest, nothing's better then a beautiful looking female and these feminists look like they dove from the ugly tree hitting every branch before landing in a tub full of lard. Just sayin':p

Rush Limbaugh quotes “Feminism was established to allow unattractive/"Fat/Ugly" women easier access to the mainstream.”

Lager

09-15-2008, 10:56 AM

Camille Paglia is a gay feminist who also writes for Salon. She has an interesting take on this.

Now that's the Sarah Palin brand of can-do, no-excuses, moose-hunting feminism -- a world away from the whining, sniping, wearily ironic mode of the establishment feminism represented by Gloria Steinem, a Hillary Clinton supporter whose shameless Democratic partisanship over the past four decades has severely limited American feminism and not allowed it to become the big tent it can and should be. Sarah Palin, if her reputation survives the punishing next two months, may be breaking down those barriers. Feminism, which should be about equal rights and equal opportunity, should not be a closed club requiring an ideological litmus test for membership.

This is an interesting thought she has about their tying their whole philosophy to one issue and one stand on that issue -- abortion.

Let's take the issue of abortion rights, of which I am a firm supporter. As an atheist and libertarian, I believe that government must stay completely out of the sphere of personal choice. Every individual has an absolute right to control his or her body. (Hence I favor the legalization of drugs, though I do not take them.) Nevertheless, I have criticized the way that abortion became the obsessive idée fixe of the post-1960s women's movement -- leading to feminists' McCarthyite tactics in pitting Anita Hill with her flimsy charges against conservative Clarence Thomas (admittedly not the most qualified candidate possible) during his nomination hearings for the Supreme Court. Similarly, Bill Clinton's support for abortion rights gave him a free pass among leading feminists for his serial exploitation of women -- an abusive pattern that would scream misogyny to any neutral observer.

But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

...Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue.

It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism -- one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.

Feminists of the left have let the goal of electing dem candidates usurp the integrity of what they once claimed to have stood for. Hence, it's not surprising why Palin worries them.

Camille Paglia is a gay feminist,atheist and libertarian what more could any man want in a woman ?
She is an interesting sounding woman and not your average 'knee jerker' !

Paglia challenged what she saw as the "liberal establishment", including academics, feminist advocacy groups such as National Organization for Women (NOW), and AIDS activists ACT UP.

Paglia describes herself as a feminist and as a Democrat who campaigned for John F. Kennedy as an adolescent and later voted for Bill Clinton and Ralph Nader.

She has broken with liberal orthodoxy by taking controversial stances such as rejecting the idea that homosexuality is an inborn trait ."Not Genetic,could it be a simple choice then ?"

She has expressed admiration for U.S. Presidential candidate John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin."Hopefully an non sexual admiration ?"

Odysseus

09-15-2008, 12:32 PM

Not to be mean either, because God knows I love females but has anyone else noticed the majority of women against Palin are homely as a mule? Looks aren't everything but lets be honest, nothing's better then a beautiful looking female and these feminists look like they dove from the ugly tree hitting every branch before landing in a tub full of lard. Just sayin':p

Partially, but the real reason is because she's not a crying liberal whining bitch who hates all of the oppressive men unless they are on their knees and kissing their PC butts ! Paulin is the real thing and that drives them crazy .

Camille Paglia is a gay feminist who also writes for Salon. She has an interesting take on this.
This is an interesting thought she has about their tying their whole philosophy to one issue and one stand on that issue -- abortion.
link: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index3.html
Feminists of the left have let the goal of electing dem candidates usurp the integrity of what they once claimed to have stood for. Hence, it's not surprising why Palin worries them.

You're all engaging the target, but no one's hit the bullseye yet. Feminism, like every other -ism in the Democratic Party, started out as a legitimate movement with a grain of truth, but rapidly devolved into a power clique within the party. Every group within the Democratic Party has three missions, to get their cliques to the polls in large enough numbers to elect Democrats, to advance their pet issues and a third one, which I will get to in a second. For feminists, the pet issue is abortion. For unions, it's trade and compulsory union membership. For teachers, it's perpetuation and expansion of the public monopoly on education. For trial lawyers, it's all about maintaining high settlements and judgements. For the various ethnic grievance groups, it's about affirmative action. For PETA, it's not a pet issue so much as an animal companion issue, and for gays, it's the normalization and validation of their lifestyle. Now, the third mission of each of these groups is to maintain a monopoly on public debate within their spheres of influence, both through offense against nominal members of their clique who speak heresies, and defense of their own who run afoul of the system. If a woman is a conservative, the feminists will take her on and deny that she speaks for any woman, but if a Democrat actually attacks a woman, they will defend him. If it's a conservative African-American, then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will be trucked out to deny his/her racial bostemnafides, and spring to defend any member of their coalition who actually does do something that shouldn't have been done. Trial lawyers can be counted on to attack conservative judicial nominees, etc. This was most obvious during the Clinton impeachment, when feminists attacked his victims, racial hucksters declared him one of their own and implied that the attacks on him were racist and the various legal groups attacked the constitutionality of the procedures.

Feminists are attacking Palin because, as a woman, she is in their lane. Their weapon is to delegitimize her as a woman. In order to do this, they will truck out their main agenda item, abortion, and try to make the case that a woman who disagrees with them cannot be a real woman, just as Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice are attacked as not being authentically black. Obviously, only a woman can attack Palin this way, just as only an African-American can attack Thomas or Rice with that argument. A man who questioned Palin's femininity would be denounced as a sexist and a boor, and a white liberal who attacked Thomas and Rice on their ethnicity would be opening himself up to charges of racism. Of course, the feminists and racial hucksters would defend them, but that would take them off message and dilute the effect of their attacks.

cat714

09-15-2008, 09:38 PM

I don't even try to figure what is going on in the head of a liberal feminist...it's just a big mess.

Bubba Dawg

09-15-2008, 09:48 PM

I think many feminists who have been in their own brand of political struggle for most of their lives saw their hopes dashed when their candidate (Hillary) was beaten. Anger and bitterness at that defeat became rage when Palin was selected.

Not only is she someone who opposed many of their political positions, she is also attractive and capable, and mainly, she's on the ticket, and Hillary isn't.

Speedy

09-15-2008, 10:14 PM

Not to be mean either, because God knows I love females but has anyone else noticed the majority of women against Palin are homely as a mule?

My ex-wife wound up in some legal troubles and her lawyer was seeking high and low to make a deal with the DA even though he had a very good chance of winning at trial. My ex was nothing short of stunning and her lawyer said that women on a jury HATE beautiful defendants. It was not a chance that he was willing to take.

PoliCon

09-15-2008, 10:38 PM

The feminists dislike her because of her views on abortionThere is that - and there is the fact that she is off the reservation and thinks for herself - AND because she is a strong conservative woman who just does not need to act like a man to be respected.

cat714

09-16-2008, 12:39 AM

Not only is she someone who opposed many of their political positions, she is also attractive and capable, and mainly, she's on the ticket, and Hillary isn't.

I think right there is the REAL reason for all the hatred. I'm not disagreeing with the other reasons because they are true, but it does come down to Palin being on the ticket. The liberal feminist shouldn't be mad at her, they should be mad at that idiot Obie for picking Biden instead of Hillary.

It McCain wins, it will be noted in history that the first female elected as Vice President was on the republican ticket. You know that thought is just killing the left. :D

marinejcksn

09-16-2008, 02:45 AM

It McCain wins, it will be noted in history that the first female elected as Vice President was on the republican ticket. You know that thought is just killing the left. :D

What's so delicious about this situation is the Palin pick took all the wind out of Barry's sails. I remember when he announced Joe Biden as his VP choice, I was at the chow hall watching the news with my unit. I made the comment, "I thought Obama was all about change, nice job picking an old white guy for your campaign, that's some real change". Everyone busted out laughing and agreeing, nobody could believe he'd pick such a lame choice. Then when McCain picked Palin we all agreed she just won him the election. Not only is Palin a real Conservative(John isn't), she's smart, decisive, has an heartwarming personal story and she's a stone cold fox.:cool:

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 02:47 AM

What's so delicious about this situation is the Palin pick took all the wind out of Barry's sails. I remember when he announced Joe Biden as his VP choice, I was at the chow hall watching the news with my unit. I made the comment, "I thought Obama was all about change, nice job picking an old white guy for your campaign, that's some real change". Everyone busted out laughing and agreeing, nobody could believe he'd pick such a lame choice. Then when McCain picked Palin we all agreed she just won him the election. Not only is Palin a real Conservative(John isn't), she's smart, decisive, has an heartwarming personal story and she's a stone cold fox.:cool:

So are you voting more for Sarah Palin than John McCain? You should look into a 3rd party, thats irresponsible.

marinejcksn

09-16-2008, 03:25 AM

So are you voting more for Sarah Palin than John McCain? You should look into a 3rd party, thats irresponsible.

When it comes to principle I was fully ready to vote Bob Barr on the Libertarian ticket if McCain didn't pick a strong Conservative for his VP. McCain filled that requirement for me, and as much as it pains me to pull the lever on a RINO like John McCain we all know this country will never have a serious 3rd party candidate, at least not in the short term. Look what Ross Perot did in '92, Bill Clinton won the Presidency with some of the slimmest margins in U.S. history, largely because of people who chose to back a 3rd party over George Bush.

But as far as voting irresponsibly, how does it feel knowing that the Republican choice for Vice President is more qualified to run the country then the Democrat choice for President?

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 03:36 AM

I dont buy Palin's experience running a town smaller than some high schools and the 4th smallest state population wise in the union.

5,500 people live in Wasilla AL. 30,000 people live in Barack Obama's neighborhood of Hyde Park, in fact the University of Chicago (in Hyde Park) has a larger graduate school enrollment than the entire population of Wasila, AL. Please, you can call Obama unqualified all you want... but stacked up against the woman from Nowhereville USA he looks pretty damn good.

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 03:41 AM

From
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Wasilla_cityhall.jpg

to

http://sc94.ameslab.gov/TOUR/whitehouse.gif

with, other than being governor for a shorter amount of time than Obama's been a Senator, only losing one job and quitting another in between?

I say no.

marinejcksn

09-16-2008, 04:01 AM

I dont buy Palin's experience running a town smaller than some high schools and the 4th smallest state population wise in the union.

5,500 people live in Wasilla AL. 30,000 people live in Barack Obama's neighborhood of Hyde Park, in fact the University of Chicago (in Hyde Park) has a larger graduate school enrollment than the entire population of Wasila, AL. Please, you can call Obama unqualified all you want... but stacked up against the woman from Nowhereville USA he looks pretty damn good.

Can you even name for me the 3 things he accomplished as a "community organizer"? Was he mayor of his neighborhood in Chicago? Does he have ANY executive experience whatsoever? She's been a govenor shorter then Obama's been a senator, yes that's true. Do you bother counting that Obama's been planning for his presidential campaign since he was elected and accomplished largely nothing during his time in the Senate? Who'd Obama beat in 2004 to become an Illinois state senator? That's right, Alan Keyes who entered the race with 86 days to go before the general election. A guy who among other things ran proposing an appeal of the 17th ammendment. :rolleyes:

I suppose you're going to defend morons like Matt Damon who think that Palin has a 1 in 3 chance of being President because McCain wont live through his 1st term....can you even imagine the level of outrage if a Conservative actor like Jon Voight said there's a 1 in 3 chance Obama wouldn't live through his 1st term?:eek:

You wanna argue credentials and qualifications to be elected, we can do this all day. You wanna throw mud by raising the "troopergate" allegations, I can counter with Phleger, Wright, Rezco...the list goes on and on. Oh, and have you seen the video cementing Barry's close relationship with Ayers? Yeah...I'm guessing ma & pa kettle in the flyover states aren't going to be too happy knowing the Messiah got his start by kissing ass to a domestic terrorist.

cat714

09-16-2008, 06:42 AM

I dont buy Palin's experience running a town smaller than some high schools and the 4th smallest state population wise in the union.

5,500 people live in Wasilla AL. 30,000 people live in Barack Obama's neighborhood of Hyde Park, in fact the University of Chicago (in Hyde Park) has a larger graduate school enrollment than the entire population of Wasila, AL. Please, you can call Obama unqualified all you want... but stacked up against the woman from Nowhereville USA he looks pretty damn good.

Then your "hip hop" candidate should have more of a record than Palin, but he doesn't. Talk about an embarrasment when you stack Obama against Palin...and Palin is running for VP. Palin has worked hard to make her state better and she has been successful. Your "false idol" hasn't done much to improve the quality of life for the people he represents. As a community organizer, he doesn't have many accomplishments to really speak of. He's been hanging out with some bad cats and working on his boring @$$ memiors. He showed up at work, but couldn't vote yes or no so he was basically an overpaid seat warmer.

with, other than being governor for a shorter amount of time than Obama's been a Senator, only losing one job and quitting another in between?

I say no.You are such a total dumbass. Even as MAYOR of a small town she's more experience than your m0ssiah who tends to vote present when he shows up to vote at all. And her stint as Governor might have started later than his stint in the Capital building - but she's clocked 5X as many man hours on the job as he did in that time. He started running for president as soon as he got to DC for pete's sake. So she didn't follow the old boys network schedule for climbing the ladder to the Whitehouse. TOO FRICKEN BAD. Get over it. None of us are put off by her "lack of experience" in the old boys network. We WANT someone who is not tainted by inside the beltway politics.

OH - BTW - should we make a stink over NObama's house changes over the years?

Odysseus

09-16-2008, 10:23 AM

So are you voting more for Sarah Palin than John McCain? You should look into a 3rd party, thats irresponsible.
While I appreciate you reminding us of our civic responsibilities, some of us find the thought of putting the most liberal member of the senate (based on his voting record, what there is of it) in the White House, especially when he has no record of accomplishment anywhere to be grossly irresponsible, as is throwing away our votes on a meaningless protest.

I dont buy Palin's experience running a town smaller than some high schools and the 4th smallest state population wise in the union.
Fortunately for the rest of the country, it's not your decision. Besides, Alaska is the geographically largest state and the largest energy producer. Palin has had to deal with huge corporations in negotiating revenues from the pipelines, deal with budgets and, because of Alaska's proximity to Russia, security issues. Nothing in Obama's resume comes close.

5,500 people live in Wasilla AL. 30,000 people live in Barack Obama's neighborhood of Hyde Park, in fact the University of Chicago (in Hyde Park) has a larger graduate school enrollment than the entire population of Wasila, AL. Please, you can call Obama unqualified all you want... but stacked up against the woman from Nowhereville USA he looks pretty damn good.
That would be a valid argument if Obama had been the mayor of Hyde, Park, but he wasn't. The fact that Palin was a mayor, and not some nebulous activist, is a huge difference. Exactly what were Obama's responsibilities as a community organizer in the neighborhood? To whom was he accountable? What were his objectives? Did he meet them? How was his performance evaluated?

And, lest we forget, Obama isn't running against Palin, he's running against McCain. When McCain was being tortured by the NVA, Barack Obama was in diapers. When McCain commanded the largest fighter squadron in the navy, with a budget of over a billion dollars, and turned it around from having failed to put half of its aircraft on the line to a 100% operational readiness rate and its first unit commendation ever, Obama was beginning his career as a community nuisance. When John McCain was in the US Senate, deciding issues of real importance and fighting with his own party, Obama was in the state legislature, voting "present." There's no comparison.

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 02:19 PM

Can you even name for me the 3 things he accomplished as a "community organizer"? Was he mayor of his neighborhood in Chicago? Does he have ANY executive experience whatsoever? She's been a govenor shorter then Obama's been a senator, yes that's true. Do you bother counting that Obama's been planning for his presidential campaign since he was elected and accomplished largely nothing during his time in the Senate? Who'd Obama beat in 2004 to become an Illinois state senator? That's right, Alan Keyes who entered the race with 86 days to go before the general election. A guy who among other things ran proposing an appeal of the 17th ammendment. :rolleyes:

This was written by Barack Obama in 1990 on being a community organizer:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm

And how can you fault somebody for being ambitious? Barack Obama has had his sights set on the presidency since 2004 and hasn't let anybody tell him he cant do it. I guess determination only counts if you've already been a loser (like McCain). Also Obama was going to crush Jack Ryan before the sex scandal, he had his seat all but sewn up by early June.

I suppose you're going to defend morons like Matt Damon who think that Palin has a 1 in 3 chance of being President because McCain wont live through his 1st term....can you even imagine the level of outrage if a Conservative actor like Jon Voight said there's a 1 in 3 chance Obama wouldn't live through his 1st term?:eek:

US Life Expectancy is 78. McCain is getting dangerously close to that number more for health reasons than the ugly topic of political assassinations.

You wanna argue credentials and qualifications to be elected, we can do this all day. You wanna throw mud by raising the "troopergate" allegations, I can counter with Phleger, Wright, Rezco...the list goes on and on. Oh, and have you seen the video cementing Barry's close relationship with Ayers? Yeah...I'm guessing ma & pa kettle in the flyover states aren't going to be too happy knowing the Messiah got his start by kissing ass to a domestic terrorist.

What can you say about Wright that wasn't said 4 months ago? Pfghler too. Everything surrounding Rezko is circumstantial and conjecture and none of it has held up against Obama in court. Palin's close work with Ted Stevens is much more alarming.

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 02:21 PM

When McCain was being tortured by the NVA, Barack Obama was in diapers.
I'm sold! If only Obama had been tortured, then he would finally be qualified to be president :(:(

LibraryLady

09-16-2008, 02:30 PM

Obama Ghetto Lord

Kaus calls this "Obama's Katrina," explaining that if Obama is running on his record as a community activist and advocate, it's a pretty big deal a housing project he had his hand in is an almost-unlivable slum.

Dropping a bomb into a neighborhood and getting shot down by incompetence isn't a qualification for the presidency either. Is it?

The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing.

As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.

But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies - including several hundred in Obama's former district - deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable.

Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama's close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama's constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted.

...

The campaign did not respond to questions about whether Obama was aware of the problems with buildings in his district during his time as a state senator, nor did it comment on the roles played by people connected to the senator.
Guess who benefited from Obama's schemes?

Antoin "Tony" Rezko, perhaps the most important fund-raiser for Obama's early political campaigns and a friend who helped the Obamas buy a home in 2005. Rezko's company used subsidies to rehabilitate more than 1,000 apartments, mostly in and around Obama's district, then refused to manage the units, leaving the buildings to decay to the point where many no longer were habitable.

...

"They are rapidly displacing poor people, and these companies are profiting from this displacement," said Matt Ginsberg-Jaeckle of Southside Together Organizing for Power, a community group that seeks to help tenants stay in the same neighborhoods.

"The same exact people who ran these places into the ground," the private companies paid to build and manage the city's affordable housing, "now are profiting by redeveloping them.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/267761.php

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 02:37 PM

Are you kidding me? You make a claim like that and link to some shitty blog?

http://ace.mu.nu/design/spade-and-skull-banner.png

The Washington Post has nothing on that!

LibraryLady

09-16-2008, 02:44 PM

It was originally in The Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=full

Grim proving ground for Obama's housing policy

The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama's close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama's constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted.

Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did not notice their plight. The development straddles the boundary of Obama's state Senate district. Many of the tenants have been his constituents for more than a decade.

"No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it," said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.

n January 1997, the city sued Rezmar for failing to provide adequate heat in a South Side building in the middle of an unusually cold winter. It was one of more than two dozen housing-complaint suits filed by the city against Rezmar for violations at its properties.

People who lived in some of the Rezmar buildings say trash was not picked up and maintenance problems were ignored. Roofs leaked, windows whistled, insects moved in.

"In the winter I can feel the cold air coming through the walls and the sockets," said Anthony Frizzell, 57, who has lived for almost two decades in a Rezmar building on South Greenwood Avenue. "They didn't insulate it or nothing."

Sharee Jones, who lives in another former Rezko building one block away, said her apartment was rat-infested for years.

"You could hear them under the floor and in the walls, and they didn't do nothing about it," Jones said.

All the while, Tony Rezko was forging a close friendship with Barack Obama. When Obama opened his campaign for state Senate in 1995, Rezko's companies gave Obama $2,000 on the first day of fund-raising. Save for a $500 contribution from another lawyer, Obama didn't raise another penny for six weeks. Rezko had essentially seeded the start of Obama's political career.

As Obama ascended, Rezko became one of his largest fund-raisers. And in 2005, Rezko and his wife helped the Obamas purchase the house where they now live.

Eleven of Rezmar's buildings were located in the district represented by Obama, containing 258 apartments. The building without heat in January 1997, the month Obama entered the state Senate, was in his district. So was Jones's building with rats in the walls and Frizzell's building that lacked insulation. And a redistricting after the 2000 Census added another 350 Rezmar apartments to the area represented by Obama.

Obama is scum

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 02:49 PM

I lived in Obama's district and trust me, those homes were nowhere near as bad as they are portrayed in that article.

megimoo

09-16-2008, 02:55 PM

I lived in Obama's district and trust me, those homes were nowhere near as bad as they are portrayed in that article.Trust you ,are you on drugs still ?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/dtharman/Obama/080707-kids-shivering-in-cold.jpg
For more than five weeks during the brutally cold winter of 1997, tenants suffered without any heat in a government-subsidized apartment building. The 31-unit building in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood had been "rehabbed" just four years prior at taxpayer expense, no less.
All of these buildings were in -- or just blocks away -- from a single state senator's district. A district belonging to a young, up-and-coming politician named Barack Obama.
In fact, during the brutal winter of 1997, even while Rezmar refused to heat its Englewood apartments, it was donating $1,000 to state senator Obama's campaign fund.

While Obama didn't expend an ounce of energy to protest Rezko's outrageous violations, he did take time to write letters on behalf of Rezko in his efforts to secure an additional $14 million in taxpayer funds.

Odysseus

09-16-2008, 04:23 PM

I'm sold! If only Obama had been tortured, then he would finally be qualified to be president :(:(
McCain endured five years of torture and kept faith with his fellow POWs and his country. Obama endured a few weeks of bad press and threw his pastor, his church and his grandmother under the bus. Obama doesn't need to be tortured to demonstrate his character. He has none.

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 04:58 PM

McCain endured five years of torture and kept faith with his fellow POWs and his country. Obama endured a few weeks of bad press and threw his pastor, his church and his grandmother under the bus. Obama doesn't need to be tortured to demonstrate his character. He has none.

SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA FOR NOT BEING TORTURED

God, what nerve he has...

Odysseus

09-16-2008, 07:39 PM

SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA FOR NOT BEING TORTURED
God, what nerve he has...

Once again, you miss the point, deliberately (even you can't be this obtuse). It isn't that Obama has never been tortured, it's that Obama lacks the character to even put himself in the position where he might be inconvenienced. At the first sign of conflict, he jettisons people the way that an overloaded boat drops luggage. He has no convictions, no character and no spine. Now, if you want to keep repeating the same sarcastic drivel about how Obama wasn't tortured, I'll be glad to point out even more of his personal shortcomings.

McCain's life has been spent in service to his country, and he has genuinely suffered for his convictions, while Obama's has been spent padding his resume, and not particularly well, as it's still very thin (most guys with his curriculum vitae would be trying for a gig as a junior partner at a lawfirm, not leader of the free world). It's the difference between a man who loves his country enough to withstand half a decade of pain on its behalf, and a callow punk who who is so full of himself that he has written two memoirs about the vast nothing that constitutes his accomplishments (perhaps he should have picked Jerry Seinfeld as his veep).

I'll take honor over hubris any day, and from the current poll numbers, most voters feel the same way.

Eyelids

09-16-2008, 08:41 PM

I'll take honor over hubris any day, and from the current poll numbers, most voters feel the same way.

And I'll take brains over both of them, McCain cant even work a computer.

Cue: the excuses. But you all know its frightening that somebody who is RUNNING OUR FUCKING COUNTRY has absolutely zero concept of the internet or modern technology in general.

LibraryLady

09-16-2008, 08:45 PM

You're drinking again, aren't you? The articles from the past and present prove he's computer literate; just has painful hands.

PoliCon

09-16-2008, 09:20 PM

And I'll take brains over both of them, McCain cant even work a computer.

Cue: the excuses. But you all know its frightening that somebody who is RUNNING OUR FUCKING COUNTRY has absolutely zero concept of the internet or modern technology in general. Does it hurt?

Odysseus

09-16-2008, 09:37 PM

And I'll take brains over both of them, McCain cant even work a computer.

Cue: the excuses. But you all know its frightening that somebody who is RUNNING OUR FUCKING COUNTRY has absolutely zero concept of the internet or modern technology in general.

I don't recall Lincoln doing his own telegraph entries. He must have been terrifying to the savants of the 1850s. What you don't get is that McCain is perfectly capable of understanding the internet and modern technology. He was a fighter pilot, which means that he was on the cutting edge of tech as a young man. He is far from stupid, and your assumption that computer illiteracy equals idiocy is specious. What he does is what intelligent managers always do, he delegates. The world is full of idiots who can master a computer keyboard (Just check out Daily Kos or DU for proof), but leaders are rarer. McCain has led men under the worst conditions possible. When has Obama ever demonstrated leadership? McCain has run the largest fighter squadron in the navy. Sarah Palin has run a small town and a big state. What have Obama and Biden ever run besides their mouths?

Lager

09-16-2008, 09:51 PM

And I'll take brains over both of them, McCain cant even work a computer.

Cue: the excuses. But you all know its frightening that somebody who is RUNNING OUR FUCKING COUNTRY has absolutely zero concept of the internet or modern technology in general.

I still don't have a cell phone, and after seeing the effect cell phones and texting can have on normal people, it makes me like McCain even more. I want my leader to have people working for him or her to tell him in person what's going on, not to have to find out via computer or cell phone. He's paid to make decisions, not to surf or check e-mail.

MrsSmith

09-16-2008, 10:10 PM

This was written by Barack Obama in 1990 on being a community organizer:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm

And how can you fault somebody for being ambitious? Barack Obama has had his sights set on the presidency since 2004 and hasn't let anybody tell him he cant do it. I guess determination only counts if you've already been a loser (like McCain). Also Obama was going to crush Jack Ryan before the sex scandal, he had his seat all but sewn up by early June.

And yet, you fault Sarah Palin.

US Life Expectancy is 78. McCain is getting dangerously close to that number more for health reasons than the ugly topic of political assassinations.

So, McCain is likely to live out one term, easily...and certainly no more likely to be assassinated than Obama. If something happened to Obama, we'd have a 2 time Loser as President.

What can you say about Wright that wasn't said 4 months ago? Pfghler too. Everything surrounding Rezko is circumstantial and conjecture and none of it has held up against Obama in court. Palin's close work with Ted Stevens is much more alarming.

Now, that's just funny..."My guy is only 4 times as dirty as your Vice-Presidential candidate!!!1!!1"

OwlMBA

09-16-2008, 11:37 PM

Feminists are just upset because they are ugly and society rejects them.

megimoo

09-17-2008, 12:39 AM

Feminists are just upset because they are ugly and society rejects them.

You forgot the big and fat part !

marinejcksn

09-17-2008, 02:10 AM

This was written by Barack Obama in 1990 on being a community organizer:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm

And how can you fault somebody for being ambitious? Barack Obama has had his sights set on the presidency since 2004 and hasn't let anybody tell him he cant do it. I guess determination only counts if you've already been a loser (like McCain). Also Obama was going to crush Jack Ryan before the sex scandal, he had his seat all but sewn up by early June.

US Life Expectancy is 78. McCain is getting dangerously close to that number more for health reasons than the ugly topic of political assassinations.

What can you say about Wright that wasn't said 4 months ago? Pfghler too. Everything surrounding Rezko is circumstantial and conjecture and none of it has held up against Obama in court. Palin's close work with Ted Stevens is much more alarming.

1. How about your job as a Senator is not to immediately plan your Presidential Campaign, it's to FUCKING VOTE AND GET THINGS DONE FOR YOUR STATE.:rolleyes:

2. Still didn't answer my question about what would happen if a Conservative floated the idea that Barry might die in office. There are ways to die other then assasination you know. Moron.

3. Saul Alinsky...the work speaks for itself. Like all other "radical" leftists, it's plagued from the start with ideas that simply don't work.

4. Just because some time has passed since the Wright and Phleger revelations doesn't make them any less revelant, or alarming. You didn't even touch my linking him to Ayers either....could it be because you brainless ObamaZombies don't have an excuse for the new video out where Obama talks specifically about his work with ayers?

Funny how since you say you're a student of "higher learning" you can't seem to even debate a high school educated Jarhead like myself...Good to see that the prerequisite to enter college where you're from is as simple as locate head, insert in anus.:rolleyes: