"For 20 years Democrats have tried over and over to trick Republicans into breaking the pledge. It hasn't happened. This isn't my first rodeo," Norquist told the Journal.

"we are going to win this fight" Norquist continued, "The Lord of Murder demands it. On a throne of Brass atop a mountain of skulls He watches our progress. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow. Know also that our skulls too are welcome atop that mountain."

whistleridge:"Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.

Remember 1998? Remember how you were just sure your impeaching of Clinton was going to win you all the things? Remember how bad it backfired? Voters can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. They know who is at fault here, and they know what the country needs.

These next two years are going to be derpy, but beautiful. I love watching hated idiots commit suicide publicly. It brings a warm glow to my heart.

jjorsett:whistleridge: "Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

No, YOU blithering farkwad, that's exactly what they want. Bush 1's "Read my lips, no new taxes" was thrown back in his face the instant he caved and agreed to raise taxes. The dems beat him with it at every opportunity in his reelection campaign. Any Republican thinking he can cut a deal with these people and not have it used against him is delusional and should be challenged in the primary because he's too damned naive to be a Senator.

I agree, it was horrible that the Democrats forced the Republicans to sign a thoroughly stupid pledge that can't possibly be kept just to make the Republicans look bad when it was inevitably broken. Why would the Democrats do such a thing?

How come so many people care about Norquist's 12-year-old self's plan to slash most taxes into nonexistence, but nobody cares about my 12-year-old self's plan to genetically engineer real-life Pokemon and ban all mornings?

We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Was wondering when you would show..I guess it takes time to fill up the seltzer bottle and have fresh cream pies plus im sure the clown outfit is a biatch to put on. Thats pretty much what I see when you post plus riding a unicycle and holding a small umbrella.

You...may want to see a psychologist about that. I try not to judge on these things, and I admit I'm not a phsychology expert, but I'm pretty sure 'I want another man to die so I can exhume him and urinate into his corpse's mouth' ain't normal :p

It is if it's a chunk of evil like Grover Norquist.

/AND I'll drive a stake through his shriveled heart too afterwards, just in case.

Fluorescent Testicle:How come so many people care about Norquist's 12-year-old self's plan to slash most taxes into nonexistence, but nobody cares about my 12-year-old self's plan to genetically engineer real-life Pokemon and ban all mornings?

My 12-year-old self's plan was for a device about the size/form factor of a Star Trek PADD, that would not only perform basic computing functions, but play full-length movies that were stored on small checker-size media.

If my 12-year-old self had patented that idea, my 32-year-old self would be ridiculously wealthy right now.

ha-ha-guy:The best thing for the Reps would be to support the middle class tax cuts and try to take at least 50% of the credit by calling them bipartisan tax cuts. Instead the Reps are being morons and dying on the beachhead for the rich.

I've said the same thing before about healthcare. On either issue, they could be as blustery as they like, compromise, and then proudly proclaim it was their version that passed, not the Kenyan's. Or they could present a bill that they know the Democrats want as their own, and force them into passing Republican legislation (similar to how Clinton handled welfare reform).

Or, they can hold their breath until they crap themselves. I know where I'm placing my bets.

Was wondering when you would show..I guess it takes time to fill up the seltzer bottle and have fresh cream pies plus im sure the clown outfit is a biatch to put on. Thats pretty much what I see when you post plus riding a unicycle and holding a small umbrella.

Mangoose:We should have a citizenship tier. So you can say I only want to pay 2% of taxes but then you'd only get some of the privileges of being an american. Or you could pay 40% of your taxes and get the full package. Healthcare, legal representation, free speech and a mint on your pillow delivered by supermodel. Also having a mint put on your pillow by a supermodel should be an inalienable right of the free peoples of the world.

Also the percentage paid for full citizenship should vary by bracket.

Maybe allow people to opt-out of paying taxes, but by doing so they give up the use of anything provided by the federal government - roads, patent enforcement, access to the courts to redress property violations and protection of their safety by the police and courts.

Then the names and addresses of all those who opted out should be widely published. A week of looting and head spiking later and I think all these "job creators" might start to see they get a lot of value for their taxes.

StreetlightInTheGhetto:Summoner101: The problem with this is that the GOP has a built in excuse for denying the pledge. All the candidate has to say is that due to voters ultimately choosing to elect people that would be open to raising taxes, they're changing their position to ultimately better represent the electorate. Boom, done.

Until the Norquist mafia stops being such a stupidly effective threat at usurping the incumbent during the primaries if they should DARE TO QUESTION his middle school idea... that ain't gonna happen.

Christ.

Daily Show video on the pledge.

The smartest idea in that whole program was that one kids plan to extend Metro North to Vermont.

jjorsett:And the DemocratsRepublicans holding out for those taxestax cuts are clearly saying that they're willing to burn down the economy in order to get their pound of flesh from a tiny group that they've demonized (ie: Anyone not rich), even when the revenue derived would be so insignificant in the budget that it would be meaningless in reducing the deficit. That's the clear message, and if the RepublicansDemocrats had any sense they'd be putting it out there with everything they had.

FTFY

You're defending a group that's trying to protect tax cuts while simultaneously trying to balance the budget. In other words, you're defending a group of people who suck at math.

jjorsett:DeaH: The president and the senate democrats are offering to make the Bush tax cuts permanent for everyone up to $250,000 of income. If the republicans don't act, then they are clearly saying that the tax cuts that benefit only the wealthy are more important that tax relief for the majority. This is a clear choice with a clear message.

And the Democrats holding out for those taxes are clearly saying that they're willing to burn down the economy in order to get their pound of flesh from a tiny group that they've demonized, even when the revenue derived would be so insignificant in the budget that it would be meaningless in reducing the deficit. That's the clear message, and if the Republicans had any sense they'd be putting it out there with everything they had.

Awww, pity the poor rich people, whose ridiculous tax cut was approved and then extended with the help of Democrats. Now those evil Demonrats want to let them expire like they were meant to in the first place. Those meanies!!

StinkyFiddlewinks:It's time the Dems dropped the hammer (heh) and exposed the GOP for what it is. A flailing horde of liars and ignorant old men, stuck in their ways and unwilling to help anyone but themselves and their donors. Watch them try vote in a raise for themselves above the rate of GDP growth yet again.

I thin Nov. 6 did that pretty well. Peter Sagal read a quote on Wait Wait a couple weeks ago from some Republican that said he thought the American people are for Republican ideas. Sagal's response was "if only there was some way for the American people recently to show us whose ideas they support more"

jjorsett:No, YOU blithering farkwad, that's exactly what they want. Bush 1's "Read my lips, no new taxes" was thrown back in his face the instant he caved and agreed to raise taxes. The dems beat him with it at every opportunity in his reelection campaign. Any Republican thinking he can cut a deal with these people and not have it used against him is delusional and should be challenged in the primary because he's too damned naive to be a Senator.

The fact that the Republicans' idiocy has in fact placed them on the horns of a dilemma doesn't alter the fact that the left's primary goal is actually fixing our finances. And I don't say that because of their stated claims, I say that because of the inescapability of their math.

But if you're so defensive about the right, maybe you should think for a second: if doing what you've been doing causes your opponent to win and doing what he does causes him to win too...maybe you really suck at choosing what to do? Yeah, the Dems killed Bush when he hiked taxes, but is that the fault of the Dems for taking advantage of an opponent's tactical error, or is that his fault, for taking an untenable position in the first place? Because I would say it's #2 every time.

WorldCitizen:GAT_00: The heart of conservative philosophy: obstruction and refusal to ever consider anything other than your own ideas.

This group is no longer conservative. They are reactionary.

it's interesting watching the various/sundry GOP factions try to assimilate the fact that not only did Obama get re-elected, but that he got re-elected with a clear mandate, as did the Democratic party as a whole. the Republicans firmly believed that THEY were the majority party, that THEIR vision was the true and correct one for the nation and that Obama and the Democrats were going to go down in flames. none of these guys believed they were going to lose. when they failed, it rocked their worlds in ways people not in the echo chamber can really appreciate.

i'm not convinced the Republicans have made up their minds as to the root cause(s) of their defeat. they're still in the 'shock and denial' phase...but as they come out of that, i'm expecting fear/anger and conspiracy to be the Weenerss followed by the elite inner circle sacrificing someone as a scapegoat. the real decisions about what's going to happen next for the GOP aren't going to be hammered out in the press, or via discussion with the rank and file. it'll be behind closed doors and a shadowy group of money men, evangelicals and party officials will come up with the next best plan for the GOP recovery.

we should have an early indication as to which direction the Republicans are going to go when they nominate their human sacrifice. it's gotta be someone believable and at least moderately well known. Romney, perhaps. or maybe one or two of their GOP pundits. Limbaugh is a good candidate, since he's costing them money rather than making it...but Beck or Hannity would do just as well. it's also possible they may blame Romney's campaign manager but that's somewhat risky, since he took his orders directly from Romney. my personal view is that the GOP elites will most likely blame one or two of their own pundits...but I could be wrong about that..

I really hope nothing gets done by 12/31. Let's all go off the cliff together. Then we will have a new congress sworn in 1/21. They will not be reading the farking constitution this time around. They will be falling all over themselves to get tax relief for middle class americans and the top tax rates will not even be on the table. They will be falling all over themselves to get medicare and SS cuts restored because the old white base that elects the dickbag house republicans are going to feel the pain. Being their old obstructionist selves is not going to work. They do not understand that they are in a position where tehy have to get something done. Doing nothing is only going to piss off the base and worse it's going to piss off the corporate and military contracting supporters. All the pressure will be on house republicans to get something to the senate that Harry Reid will actually bring to the floor.

It's going to be fun watching teabaggers realize they have zero bargaining power on this.

"Even more than getting more revenues, (Democrats) want Republican fingerprints on tax increases so they can smash Republicans in the next series of elections."

No you blithering farkwad, they want to fix our broken finances. But your side is so caught up in the looting and pillaging that they just can't understand that. But the voters do. This past election showed that. And the coming election will show it even more.

You don't get it, do you? Here's what's going to happen:

1. You and your ilk are going to up the derp to 11.2. Obama is going to say 'fine by me. No deal then' and go play golf.3. Jan 1 will happen. And he will get the revenue increases he wanted anyway.4. And YOU will get killed in the next election, not the Democrats.

Remember 1998? Remember how you were just sure your impeaching of Clinton was going to win you all the things? Remember how bad it backfired? Voters can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. They know who is at fault here, and they know what the country needs.

These next two years are going to be derpy, but beautiful. I love watching hated idiots commit suicide publicly. It brings a warm glow to my heart.