With the new laws in NY, will those covered under LEOSA be in violation of the new laws, if they are carrying (7+) High Capacity mags? Since the law change forgot to exempt the NYPD, I was wondering about the effect on LEOSA. Does LEOSA (Federal law) trump NY (State) law or the other way around?

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Daycrawler;71184 Wrote:With the new laws in NY, will those covered under LEOSA be in violation of the new laws, if they are carrying (7+) High Capacity mags? Since the law change forgot to exempt the NYPD, I was wondering about the effect on LEOSA. Does LEOSA (Federal law) trump NY (State) law or the other way around?

IIRC, LEOSA only gives a person covered under it the ability to carry as if he/she has a LTCF in that state. Since NY basically says no auto-loaders or 7+ rounds of ammo in your gun, under LEOSA one has to comply with those regulations. IANAL

unclejumbo;71657 Wrote:LEOSA trumps state law in regards to weapons and ammo. It doesn't trump state law in places allowed to carry such as bars or churches.

Thanks for the clarification.

Just to note, though, that NYS thinks they are above the feds. They have already arrested an on-duty PA Sheriff in NY who was basically going to a work-related meeting in NY (he was the Sheriff of a border county) because he had his loaded firearm with him without a NY pistol permit or license. Eventually the charges were dropped, but it took some time and doing.

unclejumbo;71657 Wrote:LEOSA trumps state law in regards to weapons and ammo. It doesn't trump state law in places allowed to carry such as bars or churches.

Thanks for the clarification.

Just to note, though, that NYS thinks they are above the feds. They have already arrested an on-duty PA Sheriff in NY who was basically going to a work-related meeting in NY (he was the Sheriff of a border county) because he had his loaded firearm with him without a NY pistol permit or license. Eventually the charges were dropped, but it took some time and doing.

Unfortunately, that is allowed under LEOSA. A lawful carrier can be arrested and that they are covered under LEOSA be used as a defense.

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards."

Just to note, though, that NYS thinks they are above the feds. They have already arrested an on-duty PA Sheriff in NY who was basically going to a work-related meeting in NY (he was the Sheriff of a border county) because he had his loaded firearm with him without a NY pistol permit or license. Eventually the charges were dropped, but it took some time and doing.

Unfortunately, that is allowed under LEOSA. A lawful carrier can be arrested and that they are covered under LEOSA be used as a defense.

Granted, but that the Sheriff was in uniform and going to a meeting with a NY chief LEO seems to show really poor judgement on the NY officer's part (and his supervisors). Add to this that NY consistently and knowingly violates their own laws - and Federal laws - without a second thought and this indicates to me that those in authority in NYS tend to think that the are above any laws.

unclejumbo;73145 Wrote:Unfortunately, that is allowed under LEOSA. A lawful carrier can be arrested and that they are covered under LEOSA be used as a defense.

Granted, but that the Sheriff was in uniform and going to a meeting with a NY chief LEO seems to show really poor judgement on the NY officer's part (and his supervisors). Add to this that NY consistently and knowingly violates their own laws - and Federal laws - without a second thought and this indicates to me that those in authority in NYS tend to think that the are above any laws.

You speak the truth.

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards."

Philadelphia Patriot;74037 Wrote:My friend just came back from MPOTEC (he's Philly PD). They were told that even under LEOSA they have to abide by the carry restrictions (7 round mag limit, etc.) when they go to New York.

I wrote something and edited it. Apparently, magazine capacity was never addressed so the restrictions on those would apply. Ammo was addressed so hollow points are lawful regardless of state if that is the ammo qualified with.

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards."