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He also appears to be the author of a new book (author listed as Patrick Michael Alaggio) called "His Story: The Prima Facie Case of Murder Against Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Shadow Government: 9/11 the Pentagon Murders"

Anyone have the 411 on this guy? Seems a bit late to try and cash in on 9/11 woo.

__________________So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts.

__________________I've seen it here and in several other places that there is no Illuminati. That doesn't even make sense. There's a Wikipedia entry that talks about it. I'm not saying that everything on Wikipedia is true, but if you read it, it's just really clear how the Illuminati controls the world.

Nothing new or original, just rehashing tired old memes. Seems unlikely his "research" extended beyond Google.

My Lord. I'm listening to this thing and it's an amalgam of every whack-job nutzo theory out there...drones, plane swaps, missiles, the "stolen" trillions, the "Joos!!!@!", shaped charges, the whole fetid, steaming 9 yards. I guess it's easier to rehash old crap than come up with new crap for these Einsteins.

__________________"There's this thing about being so "open minded" your brain falls out". --Unknown

If someone buys every alt theory... conspiracy theory... it makes one wonder... what happened to their critical thinking? Do they have so much distrust and disdain for all official and media reports as to dismiss them as completely rubbish? This blindness and dumb is what interests me.. because so many of the people down the rabbit hole are intelligent people with responsible positions in society. Weird.

If someone buys every alt theory... conspiracy theory... it makes one wonder... what happened to their critical thinking? Do they have so much distrust and disdain for all official and media reports as to dismiss them as completely rubbish? This blindness and dumb is what interests me.. because so many of the people down the rabbit hole are intelligent people with responsible positions in society. Weird.

When one lacks critical thinking skill I suspect one will be naturally suspicious of everything.

__________________So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts.

When one lacks critical thinking skill I suspect one will be naturally suspicious of everything.

Merry Xmas everyone.

It's hard to get a feeling for this paranoia on the forum that was previously known as the JREF. Perhaps it's the way things are set up here, that conspiracy theorists are automatically labelled as deviant. Regardless, I've had a discussion with a medical doctor who used to post on this forum where he suggested that a major clinical disorder among conspiracy theorists was paranoia. Posting on individual Facebook sites you can see this more clearly. I have seen facts stated to support arguments, that later turn out to be untrue, have no effect on the main argument because it was originally a 'suspicious' statement. As long as an argument is 'suspicious' its logic is bulletproof, even if there are no facts to support it or the only facts turn out to be untrue.

So while Alaggio looks like a nutbar to us, he is simply being 'suspicious', and as such, produces arguments that make sense to our more deviant friends.

__________________I've seen it here and in several other places that there is no Illuminati. That doesn't even make sense. There's a Wikipedia entry that talks about it. I'm not saying that everything on Wikipedia is true, but if you read it, it's just really clear how the Illuminati controls the world.

So while Alaggio looks like a nutbar to us, he is simply being 'suspicious', and as such, produces arguments that make sense to our more deviant friends.

I see some sort of consistent logic with the conspiracy guys.... but the problem is they ignore or deny facts, and use made up "facts" and of course many have no foundation in science.

So they could point out that media "lies".,.. which it does at time, spins or makes mistakes or deceptive statements, for whatever reason... and then truthers say 9/11 would therefore must be the mother of all lies and deceptions... because why would the MSM and government change the color of their stripes? Media and government are never transparent and people/institutions which aren't transparent are COVERING something up...

I see some sort of consistent logic with the conspiracy guys.... but the problem is they ignore or deny facts, and use made up "facts" and of course many have no foundation in science.

So they could point out that media "lies".,.. which it does at time, spins or makes mistakes or deceptive statements, for whatever reason... and then truthers say 9/11 would therefore must be the mother of all lies and deceptions... because why would the MSM and government change the color of their stripes? Media and government are never transparent and people/institutions which aren't transparent are COVERING something up...

That sort of "logic"... is what they use consistently.

The goal is to justify the paranoia, not to get answers. No logic required or even desired.

__________________So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts.

The goal is to justify the paranoia, not to get answers. No logic required or even desired.

Probably true... because if truthers were really curious they could read MB or 911 FF, or this site and learn something... But I don't think they want to learn... they seem to want to hang out in their echo chamber of nonsense. It's sad... and reminds me scientology.

I see some sort of consistent logic with the conspiracy guys.... but the problem is they ignore or deny facts, and use made up "facts" and of course many have no foundation in science.

So they could point out that media "lies".,.. which it does at time, spins or makes mistakes or deceptive statements, for whatever reason... and then truthers say 9/11 would therefore must be the mother of all lies and deceptions... because why would the MSM and government change the color of their stripes? Media and government are never transparent and people/institutions which aren't transparent are COVERING something up...

That sort of "logic"... is what they use consistently.

The point I'm trying to get at is that much of the conspiracy theory movement originates in pathology. It's not normal thinking gone wild. Some of it originates in hallucinations and psychotic thinking, but a lot of it comes from pathological suspicion and gets spun into a world where being pathological thinking like this is rewarded rather than laughed at.

Originally Posted by Mark F

The goal is to justify the paranoia, not to get answers. No logic required or even desired.

Or even evidence. Just making things up is good enough.

__________________I've seen it here and in several other places that there is no Illuminati. That doesn't even make sense. There's a Wikipedia entry that talks about it. I'm not saying that everything on Wikipedia is true, but if you read it, it's just really clear how the Illuminati controls the world.

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