Milos can be frustrating to watch. He is so dominant with his serve that he doesn't bother wasting a lot of his energy when he's returning. It's an intentional strategy for him and he won't try in a game unless an opponent screws up and goes down 0-30 to him. Because of this tactic he plays in a lot of tiebreakers in which he's good at. He can beat a lot of the players on the tour like this but he can't beat the upper tier guys playing like that. Djokovic, for example who plays a tremendous return game, completely owns him. This is why most people are doubtful he can ever get in that top group. The good news for Milos is he's playing as good as I've ever seen him play at this tournament (he's only lost two sets so far!) and I'm really looking forward to that match with Federer tomorrow.

Obviously, Milos has an outstanding serve but Raonic has to be more aggressive and develop mental toughness esp when he is down in points. In tomorrow's semi, he cannot not let Federer play his game. Milos has to keep Federer off balance with short forehand plays.

After juniors, Raonic has been on the tour a little longer than Bouchard but Eugenie has come further in a shorter time. Big difference between the two is Bouchard has innate confidence (even when she is down on points-she retains it), mental toughness and consistently aggressive play. If Raonic can take two out of those three and use them (consistently), he will have greater success.

Obviously, Milos has an outstanding serve but Raonic has to be more aggressive and develop mental toughness esp when he is down in points. In tomorrow's semi, he cannot not let Federer play his game. Milos has to keep Federer off balance with short forehand plays.

After juniors, Raonic has been on the tour a little longer than Bouchard but Eugenie has come further in a shorter time. Big difference between the two is Bouchard has innate confidence (even when she is down on points-she retains it), mental toughness and consistently aggressive play. If Raonic can take two out of those three and use them (consistently), he will have greater success.

True true, but I will say this, honestly, the Women's Tour is not as deep as the Men's Tour.

True true, but I will say this, honestly, the Women's Tour is not as deep as the Men's Tour.

I am not sure about that but I will answer it this way. Since 2010, the women's tour has had 10 different winners in all the grand slams played (except for the remaining two undecided ones in 2014). All dominated by Serena. In the men's tour, there has only been 5 different players winning so far and dominated by Nadal and Djokovic. There has been more variety of women winners than the men's, 2:1. One could possibly interpret this as the women's tour being much deeper than the men's in this respect (?).

I am not sure about that but I will answer it this way. Since 2010, the women's tour has had 10 different winners in all the grand slams played (except for the remaining two undecided ones in 2014). All dominated by Serena. In the men's tour, there has only been 5 different players winning so far and dominated by Nadal and Federer. There has been more variety of women winners than the men's, 2:1. One could possibly interpret this as the women's tour being much deeper than the men's in this respect.

You could, but it's the same few guys dominating the Men's tour forcing everyone who even wants to compete to be at that "next" level. The Women's tour is competitive, but think it's a more level Competitiveness.

This all said, as Genie gets better she might become truly dominant in her sport. She's already very good and makes a lot of mistakes.

Well I would love to see Milos better the top guys, but the top guys don't just beat him, they dominate everyone. That group is winning all the tournaments, it's a hell of a group.

True enough, the top guys do completely dominate. That's what made it so shocking to see Nadal lose to a guy ranked 144. These guys, (Djokovic and Nadal and to a lesser degree now, Federer) are in a class by themselves with guys like Wawrinka, Murray and Berdych heading up the second tier. I think Roanic can get into that second tier but none of them seem to be on the verge of breaking through anytime soon. He has given himself a shot now so it's on him.

True enough, the top guys do completely dominate. That's what made it so shocking to see Nadal lose to a guy ranked 144. These guys, (Djokovic and Nadal and to a lesser degree now, Federer) are in a class by themselves with guys like Wawrinka, Murray and Berdych heading up the second tier. I think Roanic can get into that second tier but none of them seem to be on the verge of breaking through anytime soon. He has given himself a shot now so it's on him.

I think if he can beat Federer, I think that might give him that mental push to get his game to that higher level. That said, if he loses, no slouch there, Federer is still a hell of a player.

The Men's tour is crazy, in that regard, they have a top-4 (I include Federer and Murray there) that's so dominant, yet it doesn't make things boring, because they're just that good.

You could, but it's the same few guys dominating the Men's tour forcing everyone who even wants to compete to be at that "next" level. The Women's tour is competitive, but think it's a more level Competitiveness.

This all said, as Genie gets better she might become truly dominant in her sport. She's already very good and makes a lot of mistakes.

Good points... "More level competitiveness" only when Serena is not playing her game...lol.

Yes, it is hard to believe that Canadians like Genie and Milos will be slamming the Grand doors behind them and hopefully walking out with victories. Can't wait for the weekend. For Bouchard, reducing unforced errors comes with having big game experience. I guess playing center court, nerves can get the best of them. gtg.

Obviously, Milos has an outstanding serve but Raonic has to be more aggressive and develop mental toughness esp when he is down in points. In tomorrow's semi, he cannot not let Federer play his game. Milos has to keep Federer off balance with short forehand plays.

After juniors, Raonic has been on the tour a little longer than Bouchard but Eugenie has come further in a shorter time. Big difference between the two is Bouchard has innate confidence (even when she is down on points-she retains it), mental toughness and consistently aggressive play. If Raonic can take two out of those three and use them (consistently), he will have greater success.

Yep, agree 100%. That's why I said its so frustrating to watch him play. It's like he is satisfied with how dominant his service game is and doesn't need to do anything else. Without improving in the areas you listed he won't take anymore forward steps and won't lift himself to the level of the best players. He still has a lot of holes in his game and for as long as he's been on tour he appears to be what he is. The difference between him and Bouchard is that Eugenie has a much more rounded game and she looks better with every passing tournament.

True true, but I will say this, honestly, the Women's Tour is not as deep as the Men's Tour.

I don't know if it's a depth thing but it sure looks like a changing of the guard. There are a lot of good players and it's been tough to predict who is going to be able to beat who. Whoever has the better day wins. I said earlier in the thread that today's match was the one I was really excited about because Halep and Bouchard have been the most consistent of all the women pretty much all year.

Good points... "More level competitiveness" only when Serena is not playing her game...lol.

Yes, it is hard to believe that Canadians like Genie and Milos will be slamming the Grand doors behind them and hopefully walking out with victories. Can't wait for the weekend. For Bouchard, reducing unforced errors comes with having big game experience. I guess playing center court, nerves can get the best of them. gtg.

Depends what the deal with Serena's "viral illness" really was. The interesting thing in watching her meltdown was that Venus was pretty meh to the entire situation.

Definitely cheering for Eugenie. That Kvitova is damned intimidating though!