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Welcome to Edge show 98. Last week
was the Build Conference.
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Loads of news coming out of that.
Later in the show we're going
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to have a quick look at Windows
8.1 with Brad McCay. But before
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we do that, let's talk about that Build
news with David Tival. Yeah.
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>> Hello.
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>> Hi. Yeah tons and tons of stuff
at Build Conference. I know
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it's a developer conference, but
you know there are still very
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much IT pro relevant news announcements,
really more than we
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have time to cover today so we'll
probably sprinkle some of them
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in the next episode or two so we have
adequate time to cover those.
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But some of the ones
we want to cover are
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the 8.1 update.
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>> Yeah so we're going to do a load
of that later on with Brad McCay.
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But actually there is some really
cool stuff that came out for
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IT pros in there, particularly around
Windows 8.1 come Windows
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8.1 phone version as well. On the phone
we have now MDM capabilities.
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We can do deployments off BPM profiles,
deployments of WiFi profiles,
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we can set up e-mail, a whole
lot of cool stuff in there.
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And also there is this news around
this thing called Cortana,
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which is kind of interesting.
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>> So Cortana the first time we announced
that at Build, Cortana,
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the first time it hits you, it's
kind of like Beam the first
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time I heard it, but it really,
you know it grows on you.
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Now if you are a Halo fan out there,
you definitely probably
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related a bit more. In fact the picture
that you see on the screen
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is the Cortana character from Halo
so you know, if you are a
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Halo fan, great. But if not, you
might be speaking to Cortana
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soon as your personal assistant
on your Windows Phone. That is
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what Cortana is.
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Many people are familiar with Siri.
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This is our own thing.
It's the Cortana.
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>> It is.
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>> It's the better personal
assistant.
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>> Absolutely. That's the idea. It's
going to revolutionize your life.
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It's going to help you find appointments,
remember what you're
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doing, if you need to speak to somebody
on the phone it's going
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to remind you to talk about their
puppies they just got next
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time you give them a call as long
as you set that as a reminder.
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It's going to remind you to pick
up the groceries from home.
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It's going to remind you to do
whatever you need to do.
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>> Yes, helping you with your relationships
and just being your
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own personal assistant.
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>> One of the things is that actually
kind of cool, not that you'll
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want to do this, but the MDM compatibilities
on Windows phone,
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actually do mean that a voice could
turn off Cortana or Siri
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if they wanted to, on a different
type of device so kind of cool.
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>> That's good to know. You don't
want to hear from Cortana, then
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just silence them, that's
the policy.
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>> Absolutely. That's the idea. Those
are stuff that we announced
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around Azure.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I know you are totally
into this.
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>> Yeah.
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>> This is the new Ibiza portal.
And for me, Ibiza is a place
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where I go on holiday, kind of
different, but this is the new
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Ibiza portal.
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>> Yeah so if you have heard that name,
that's what we're referencing
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here, now we're calling it in many
cases the new Azure portal.
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It's still going to be around dual
portals around for quite a while.
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If you go to portal.Azure.com, that's the
new one. And manage.WindowsAzure.com
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is still going to be the old one
that you're used to. The new
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one it has a really lot of great integrated
capatibilities, especially
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things like Dev Ops where you could
have an it in store where
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you create, let's say a new project
in Visual Studio right from
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within the portal, edit your source
code, spin up a whole new resource.
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We have a new concept called resource
groups and then manage
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those, have your billing, have
operations have analytics, all
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of that kind of in to in experience
from start to finish, all
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inside of the portal. So you're
going to start to see a lot of
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new stuff in the portal come out
and continued enhancements.
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So just check it out. If you are an existing
Windows Azure subscription,
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just go to portal.WindowsAzure.com
and then that will pop up
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for you.
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>> I've got to admit I've been waiting
this release. And just
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looking at billing on my account, it
let's me see VMs are consuming,
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how much my websites are consuming...
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actually are. And it's really kind
of nice on both ends and it
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has access to all the galleries
and everything, and what you
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kind of expect so it's
a really nice update.
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And then there is this.
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>> Yeah ExpressRoute. So some of you,
you know, that want different
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kinds of connectivity options up
to your little slice of your
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Windows Azure data center resources,
ExpressRoute is a really
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great option there. We've already
announced ExpressRoute in the
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past for server providers in the
U.S. We have now announced
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two additional providers, BT and Verizon
so if you have an impulous
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reference listed with that customer
you are then able to use
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that network as an extension of
your own data center networks
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up to Windows Azure so you can just
treat it just like a branch
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office, perhaps of
your own company.
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>> I find that really exciting because
being British, now I have
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access to use that directly into
an Azure data center. You can
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learn about this on the blog that's
on the screen and also coming
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out with BT and Verizon on their own,
websites on their own press,
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and you can go read all about what
we're you actually doing in
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place through those.
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>> Yep.
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>> It is a sad week.
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Tuesday of this week it all ended.
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>> Oh, no. XP.
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>> Windows XP, it ended. Sadly no
more updates for Windows XP,
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the beloved operating system
from when? 2003?
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>> Yeah. It's so old now that when
I start to use or touch Windows
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XP I'm like what, what
is going on in here.
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>> Yeah. I've completely forgotten
how to use that operating system.
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I've actually forgotten how to use
Windows 7. So I really struggle
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on how to use my laptop
on a day to day basis.
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>> I've actually heard stories of
customers out there who've had
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feedback from new hires, like newer
younger folks who are saying
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that their organization is using
XP and they hand them the XP
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and they are like, I don't know
how to use this. Like literally
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that's the feedback that they are
getting, what is this thing.
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>> Yeah, it's been a strange kind
of time and there are still
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people out there using XP, that's
kind of weird roots to try
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to keep it safe and stuff now that
we're kind of moving away
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from the security patching.
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It's interesting to see though,
there are some customers out
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there doing that jump from XP to Windows
8, like this small Japanese
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banking company who migrated a little
tiny 30,000 clients from
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XP direct to Windows 8 because it's
one of those things that's
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really hard to do. Actually if we
read down the list here a little
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bit more we'll see that they did
it with the system center and
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they found it relatively straightforward
process, they were able
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to reduce their cost, increase
employee productivity as they
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went through.
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>> It's possible folks to make that
leap so if you're going to
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move forward, you might as well as
move to the latest and greatest.
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>> Absolutely, why not. That is
the thing MVA, we've got some
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updates coming to MVA,
some new courses.
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>> Yeah one of those coming out
May 7th, personal plug for the
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Dev Ops for the IT pro jump start
that we have. If you go to
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aka.ms/devopsjs, you can check
that out. And we'll be really
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for the first time talking to IT
professionals or operations
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folks out there about what your
role could be like as an IT or
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ops person in a Dev Ops world.
I mean dev ops is kind of the
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new thing that really companies
are jumping to. I equivocate
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it to as big of a major shifts as
virtualization and the Cloud
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and Dev Ops is one of those things
that if you're not already
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thinking about it, it's something
you really want to attend the
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jump start and kind of get your head
around where you might want
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to be heading with your career
and helping your company out.
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>> Yeah. And the registration is
open. You can signed up for
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the event right now. Also on the
MVA front my colleague is back
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in the UK, in a really interesting
competition. If you are in
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the UK, have a look... you probably
already received an e-mail
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if you are a member of the MVA and
you'll probably get this e-mail
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that tells you how to become an
MVA super hero. It's kind of
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interesting campaign you have to be
able to create your own personal
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superhero MVA Avatar type things,
really quite nice, go and give
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that a quick look and
see what's happening.
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And in other news, hash tags.
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>> Hash tags.
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>> We set up tags for the show.
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>> Hash tag show.
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>> I think it is hash tag Cortana,
hash cash also, I think it's
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the big thing that's going around
at the moment if you are into
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Windows Phone stuff. But we have categorized
the show into distinct
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categories to make it a little bit easier
to find some of the content.
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So we've edge Dev Ops.
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>> Yeah. We have got enterprise devices,
which is the best term
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we could encompass all of the past
consumerization of IT, people
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centric IT, type of stuff related to
that for enterprise clients stuff.
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And then you've got server, Windows
Azure... or Microsoft Azure.
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I keep saying Windows Azure.
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>> It's hard isn't it? You've
got to retrain your brain.
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So use those to start dig into the
previous episode of the show.
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And you'll probably start to see
some of the show appear in new
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places like MVA as well.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Let's switch over to...
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>> Yeah, if you want to learn more
about 8.1 updates you probably
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want to stay tune as the relates
to IT professionals out there.
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>> Yeah, so we have Brad McCay from
Windows teams, we have him
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showing what's new in the update,
talking to new features, telling
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you how you and your users might
be able to make use of those
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features in the update. So it's
pretty cool, particularly
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around the MVA capatibilities we talk
about in the end so stay tuned.
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>> Welcome to the Edge show interview.
In this section, we're
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going to have a look at Windows 8.1 update,
and some of the improvements
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that were announced just last week
at the Build Conference down
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in San Francisco. In fact since the
Build Conference in San Francisco,
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we have actually been updating devices
all cross the world with
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Windows 8.1 update. So here to join
me today to talk about that
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update and what's included, what
kind of features that are out
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there for IT pros, I have Brad McCay
from the Windows team. Hi, Brad.
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>> Hi, thanks for having me here.
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>> So what was in the update? What
was the really kind of headline
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factors for Windows 8.1
update for IT pros?
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>> So we had a lot of really cool
things in there for IT pros
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but the way to really think about
this update is, you know, it's
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about addressing compatibility,
usability issues and, you know,
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increasing performance, you know.
And one of those big ones
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we wanted to go after right away
was the usability, especially
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around mouse and keyboard users.
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We looked at a lot of our different
users, a lot of the different
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data that we had, and we saw people
with tablets and touch devices,
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they were kind of rocking out there.
They were quite happy with
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their device. But mouse and keyboard
users, they were some things
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that we could probably do to make
life a little bit better for
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them so that's kind of where we
started things with them.
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>> And I have to say, it has to be
said, really, I started using
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the update a while ago and actually
I kind of like it. I use
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my mouse and keyboard all the time,
I didn't really feel I had
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any issues using just regular Windows
8.1, but having gotten
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the update in place, actually there
are a few other things that
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made it a nicer experience.
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>> Right and that's really what we
were after and what we wanted
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to do so all the things you know
about touch and everything users
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have learned there, all
of that stays the same.
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In fact, all of the things that users
might have already started
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learning, things like the corners
or how to close with the mouse
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and keyboard, all of that stays
the same so we've just added
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some additional ways to do things
that we think will be a little
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bit more natural. Should
we take a look?
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>> Absolutely.
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>> So here I've got a Lenovo X1
carbon, very traditional clam
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shell form factor here. And you
can see I've already had mine
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set up so it boots immediately to
my desktop since on this device
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this is where I spend most of my
time. And the first thing you
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notice is if you look at this, if
you look down the bottom here,
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you'll notice some additional things
I have pinned down here
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so you'll see some things you recognize,
things like Internet
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Explorer or Word,
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those type of things, but you'll
also notice things like the
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Windows Store the Modern Music app
or the Finance app all down here.
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>> So all the Windows Store apps
appearing on your desktop on
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your taskbar that you can
get really quickly.
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>> Yes, so I can just pin them like
any other desktop app, so
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I don't really have to think about
is this a desktop app. I can
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pin that. Oh, wait this is a modern
app. Let me go back to start
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for that. An app is just an app
for me and you can see when you
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pin something to the desktop here,
right, you better be a first
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class citizen. And we made sure
to do that so if I mouse over
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something like the finance app
you can see the preview there
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just like if I mouse over something
like Word, so no difference there.
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In fact, if I mouse over the music
app here, which we will even
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see the transport controls down here.
So if I want to fast forward
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or rewind all that functionality that
I would expect from a desktop
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app are right there for me.
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>> That's one of my favorite features.
I've been... sat at my
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desk using this, but listening to
music and going through thinking,
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I just want to pause it. And I
don't actually have to go flip
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back to the app or find the key
on my keyboard. It's just right
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there on my taskbar.
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>> Exactly. And just using ways that
you are already have worked
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with these apps and you're used
to working with these apps.
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>> It's very familiar to me if I was
using Windows 7, for example,
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transport controls there for
Windows Media Player.
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>> Exactly. That's what we tried
to leverage, thing that people
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were used to.
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So let's say I want to launch the
store app, I just click on that.
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And we'll notice this little black
bar on the top which will
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slide away, we'll talk about that
in second as well but when
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I launch this app, I get that app it's
now full screen it's immersive.
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And one thing we heard from people
is I love this, there is not
00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:19.030
a thousand things popping up off my taskbar
telling me different things.
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I can focus on my app. But one thing
we heard from desktop users
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was, I feel a little disconnected.
Like. How do I get back
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to my desktop.
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So what we wanted to do was leverage
for things that they are
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already familiar with. So if you
take Internet Explorer today
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on Windows 7 you press F11 and
you go full screen to go back
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you simply move your mouse to the
top. Same thing here, right
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if I take this modern app and I
move my mouse to the top, down
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slides this title bar for me. And
we try to hint the users as
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well, which you saw when I came
in here we sort of put it there
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for a few seconds and then slide
it away. Kind of, hey, there
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is something here, come explore.
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And if we come over here to the
corner you see some long lost
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friends for some people, you know,
the minimize and the X to close.
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Now I can still do that, but since
this is a touch device, as
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we were saying, if I like the touch
gestures, and I want do those,
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those still work just
as I expect.
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>> And I'm one of those guys that
years ago worked in a finance
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department lots of people actually
to close their apps ALT F
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still works.
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>> Right still works right. So all
of those things, plus new things,
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whatever works for you. And I don't
know about you, but I find
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myself, because I, you know, with a
device like this I do some mouse.
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I do some keyboard I reach out. I
touch it, I'm doing everything
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all the time.
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>> The mix load interaction
the whole type.
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>> Exactly.
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>> I actually found this works really
well for me when I want
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to focus on me. And I will let the
immersive function of an app...
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because I find that if I really
need to concentrate, on note
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taking in OneNote that's actually
a really place for me do it,
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less distraction going on. And
I find I can use the snap, to
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snap things to the left to right
and keep the desktop view there,
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it just seems to be
more harmonious.
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>> Exactly and we wanted to leverage
off of that as well, because
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we know that desktop users like
to switch between apps and they
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like to do it with their taskbar.
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So if you are in here and you're
taking notes and you need to
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flip over and get something else,
well, in Windows 7 you can
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hide your taskbar and it slides
to the bottom, you go to the
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bottom, we leverage that similar
paradigm here so if I move my
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mouse to the bottom of the screen,
once I bump it off the bottom,
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up slides my taskbar. And now,
you know, if I want to switch
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to that finance app, or I want
to switch to the music app, or
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I even want to switch to Word,
to a desktop app and back over
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to the store, you can see very easy...
we try to be very intelligent
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for you so we leave the taskbar
there as you are making these
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switches, but then when you're done
and you slide off, away goes
00:17:01.850 --> 00:17:06.060
the taskbar back to focussing on
your app. You want to close
00:17:06.110 --> 00:17:10.960
things, just hit the X whether it's
a desktop app or a modern app.
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>> Very cool. So we think that for
a lot of desktop users this
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will make things very easy for them
to just feel natural, whether
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they are using desktop apps that
they have, or whether they are
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using modern apps that their
organizations are bring in.
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But we also wanted to make some
other enhancements as well, you
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know, one of the things was to start.
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On a touch device like this, I can
tap and hold and I get this
00:17:36.380 --> 00:17:40.170
great app bar, which when I'm holding
this like a tablet, it's
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right there for my hands. If I'm
doing this with my mouse and
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I'm right clicking here, and I'm
moving my mouse down to this
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corner and then swinging across,
that's a lot of mouse movement
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so what we do with the 8.1 update
is if I right click, now I
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get this pop up contextual menu right
here with all the same functionality.
00:18:01.770 --> 00:18:05.770
So kind of like I could close with
the close gesture or hit X,
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the system just responds to me
the way I want to interact.
00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:13.560
Same thing here, if I want to touch, it
responds in a touch friendly way.
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>> Nice.
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>> If I want to right click it responds
in a very mouse it friendly way.
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>> And sometimes you have to reduce
the mouse miles, you are going
00:18:20.300 --> 00:18:21.980
to have to replace your
mouse left often.
00:18:22.030 --> 00:18:22.570
>> Exactly.
00:18:22.620 --> 00:18:25.480
>> Well, I guess they are not like
tires, but it's the same kind
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of idea.
00:18:26.370 --> 00:18:30.700
>> Exactly. Now one other place that
we did work on talking about
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compatibility was around Internet
Explorer compatibility.
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>> Yeah. It's a really big one for
anybody that's trying to deal
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with moving from older operating systems
to newer operating systems.
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It's really important that we actually
try and keep that compatibility going.
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And one of the things that's always
caused problems is moving
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away from websites that were designed
for versions of Internet Explorer.
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It's not always been the easiest
things to get those working
00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.020
on a newer version of
a Windows desktop.
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>> Exactly. And for a lot of corporations
they have a lot of line
00:19:01.730 --> 00:19:06.250
of business apps that use and work
great in Internet Explorer
00:19:06.300 --> 00:19:10.380
8, but don't work with more modern
versions. And it's really
00:19:10.430 --> 00:19:13.910
challenging for IT because you want
to move your users forward.
00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.370
You want to get them into more
modern things you want to get
00:19:16.420 --> 00:19:20.340
then into a browser that supports
HML five and better securing,
00:19:20.690 --> 00:19:25.810
but at the same time just to upgrade
those apps is a huge estimate.
00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:28.710
>> And it costs a lot of money to
do that, to upgrade from that
00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:31.930
old app, because you've probably got
to go and find the developers
00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:34.750
maybe get some newly trained developers
to go do it, it's kind
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of hard.
00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.040
>> And we've talked to a lot of customers
and they look at a lot
00:19:39.090 --> 00:19:43.570
of different solutions, but usually
those solutions entail two
00:19:43.620 --> 00:19:46.770
different browsers in some form, whether
it's two different browsers
00:19:46.820 --> 00:19:51.220
or they do something like trying
to virtualize it or all kinds
00:19:51.270 --> 00:19:52.630
of weird things.
00:19:53.310 --> 00:19:53.350
>> Plugins.
00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.040
>> Exactly so now when they do that,
you get these two browsers
00:19:57.090 --> 00:20:00.810
and now you've got these challenges
as a user, which one do I
00:20:00.860 --> 00:20:04.410
open for this. And what if I start
here, but now I want to go
00:20:04.460 --> 00:20:08.150
somewhere else. And where is my
history, so what we tried to
00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:13.220
do was solve this through a single
browser. So if we come back
00:20:13.270 --> 00:20:17.070
down here to the desktop, right,
and I launch my browser, you
00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:21.630
can see here it's Internet Explorer
11, a site like Bing comes
00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:28.480
up and it renders great but now, for
this I've got some applications
00:20:28.530 --> 00:20:33.290
here, one of which is a corporate
travel site. And if I bring
00:20:33.340 --> 00:20:37.440
it up here, you can see Oh, my gosh
here I'm on Internet Explorer
00:20:37.490 --> 00:20:40.970
11, but it says I need to update
to the latest version.
00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:46.160
There are some things out there you
thought we would have learned
00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:47.610
from this like Y2K.
00:20:47.660 --> 00:20:49.910
>> Yeah, you would think that versioning
would be kind of easier,
00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:52.950
versioning is greater than...
but not everybody did that.
00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:57.200
>> We found a lot of these websites
only look at the very first
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digit of the user agent screen.
So they see Internet Explorer
00:21:00.530 --> 00:21:05.490
11 as Internet Explorer 1, so you
need a newer version of IE
00:21:05.540 --> 00:21:10.700
8 but then there's also challenges...
you can ses the buttons
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misformatted here.
00:21:12.020 --> 00:21:12.750
>> Right.
00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:18.290
>> So what we did with enterprise
mode for IE is we went back
00:21:18.340 --> 00:21:21.530
and worked with a lot of pilot customers
and find out why these
00:21:21.580 --> 00:21:26.390
applications were not working. So
when a site goes into enterprise
00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:31.230
mode, it could be changes to the
user agent string. It could
00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:35.720
be code that was deprecated but we
fixed all of this functionality
00:21:35.770 --> 00:21:42.180
so that this site is running in IE
11, but it has great emulation
00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:47.120
from IE 8 so these sites run great.
Now normally for IE, they
00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:50.080
push a group policy which
will list all the sites.
00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.580
For the sake of demo, I've put it
so I can turn enterprise mode
00:21:54.630 --> 00:21:58.140
on and off. So we can see the site
here and not working, but
00:21:58.190 --> 00:22:02.910
if I say tools, enterprise mode, once
this site renders an enterprise
00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.070
mode, here it is. My buttons are
correct. It's not yelling at me.
00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:12.100
I've got my Blue Yonder's Airline
flight here all set up to Denver
00:22:12.150 --> 00:22:13.870
and away I can go.
00:22:15.970 --> 00:22:20.180
So we think this will help a lot
of our customers who really
00:22:20.230 --> 00:22:25.150
want to move forward but have all
these legacy apps. And what
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.880
we'll do is not only will this be
in IE 11 for Windows 8.1 with
00:22:29.930 --> 00:22:34.790
the update but we'll also release
this for IE 11 for Windows 7.
00:22:34.840 --> 00:22:35.660
>> Excellent.
00:22:35.710 --> 00:22:38.970
>> So if you want to standardize and
you want to go to IE 8 across
00:22:39.020 --> 00:22:43.360
your entire estate whether it's Windows
7 or Windows 8.1, you'll
00:22:43.410 --> 00:22:44.570
be able to do that.
00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.360
>> So we've basically made it that
you can pick your operating
00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:50.640
system, pick the one that's best
for you, pick the browser that's
00:22:50.690 --> 00:22:53.970
best for your business, make everything
work as quickly and seamlessly
00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:54.530
as you can.
00:22:56.500 --> 00:23:00.870
What else have we put into the update
to make it easier in other ways.
00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.400
I know there are some improvements around
reducing the hardware footprint.
00:23:04.450 --> 00:23:08.610
>> Exactly. We've taken and we've
done some work to optimize the
00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:13.250
hardware so our OEM partners will
be able to Build devices that
00:23:13.300 --> 00:23:18.430
have great experiences with one gig
of ram and 16 gig hard drives.
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.750
So that this will really help to
bring down the price points
00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:26.030
on some of these devices, so you'll
be able to have a whole new
00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:29.860
class of hardware out there that
great experiences at a great
00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:33.070
price point, especially if you're
thinking about something like
00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:37.570
maybe I've got a restaurant and
I want a device where you can
00:23:37.620 --> 00:23:41.540
just check people in and out. I don't
need huge processing power,
00:23:41.590 --> 00:23:46.490
but I have a very successful restaurant
chain, you know, 500
00:23:46.540 --> 00:23:50.270
of it is right, you know, I could
do that, at a very economic
00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:51.050
price point.
00:23:51.100 --> 00:23:53.730
>> There's a great burger chain in
the UK that I started frequenting
00:23:53.780 --> 00:23:56.350
when I was back there and they do
exactly that. As soon as you
00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.280
walk in to the restaurant, they
have a device and kind of take
00:24:00.330 --> 00:24:03.150
your details down on it and as soon
as your table is ready because
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.040
it's a really busy place they just
send you a text message, and
00:24:06.090 --> 00:24:09.460
you can go back, off you go and
get a nice juicy burger.
00:24:09.510 --> 00:24:11.880
It's a really nice idea to be able
to do that with a low cost
00:24:11.930 --> 00:24:14.160
device and it moves it
into a new field.
00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:17.370
>> And we do some work
also on the high end.
00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:21.760
We've got new class of hardware there,
but we also do some things
00:24:21.810 --> 00:24:25.740
around the 64 bit atom chips that
are out there. We know a lot
00:24:25.790 --> 00:24:30.720
of customer love these devices,
great battery life, thin, still
00:24:30.770 --> 00:24:34.160
run all your existing apps but
the challenge that a lot of IT
00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:38.510
pros had is they ran a 32-bit version
of Windows, so now I had
00:24:38.560 --> 00:24:42.250
my main machines running a 64 bit
image and I had to build a
00:24:42.300 --> 00:24:46.430
new 32-bit image by enabling these
things with the update that
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.830
what we are able to do is take
those machines and now you can
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:52.690
standardize with one image
across the corporation.
00:24:53.550 --> 00:24:56.410
>> Excellent. So anything else that
we need to talk about from
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:57.000
the update?
00:24:57.050 --> 00:25:02.140
>> So there's also there's some enhancements
around MDM. So through
00:25:02.190 --> 00:25:06.620
mobile device management, if you want
to do things like whitelisting
00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:12.140
or blacklisting of apps through
your MDM provider of choice,
00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:14.130
you'll be able to do
those as well.
00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:16.650
>> That's really cool, because actually
for some folks, I think
00:25:16.700 --> 00:25:19.830
it's a requirement for them to roll
back any kind of operating system.
00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:22.950
They have to have some kind of
control over what apps can and
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.430
can't run. And one of things that
was kind of a little bit tricky
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:31.550
was how do you make it happen in
a lightly managed world of BYOD
00:25:31.600 --> 00:25:33.970
so that's really kind of cool that
we've got that functionality
00:25:34.020 --> 00:25:36.820
going in there. I think it's kind of
one of those ground breaking areas.
00:25:36.870 --> 00:25:42.000
>> I think there will be a lot of
customers that this will be
00:25:42.050 --> 00:25:45.890
very good for them and open
up to new possibilities.
00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:48.990
>> Yeah, I think so. Thank you very
much for joining us on this
00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:51.750
Edge episode. Really interesting.
Great to see you all these
00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:56.080
things out and obviously the update is
running out to devices everywhere.
00:25:56.430 --> 00:25:59.320
>> Everyone can take advantage
of it starting now.
00:25:59.370 --> 00:26:01.460
>> Yeah, absolutely go and give
it a try. I'm running it on my
00:26:01.510 --> 00:26:05.410
machine, you're running on yours.
It's really great, go and
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:08.070
check it out and see what it's
doing and I think that's it.
00:26:08.120 --> 00:26:11.840
Thanks very much for watching and
we'll switch back to the guys
00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:13.000
in the studio again.
00:26:13.050 --> 00:26:14.560
>> So that was
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.780
the interview with Brad hopefully,
really kind of interesting.
00:26:19.830 --> 00:26:23.210
You should have found out about the
app blocking and the whitelisting
00:26:23.260 --> 00:26:26.460
capabilities of the MDM updates
that have gone on to the open
00:26:26.510 --> 00:26:30.370
DM capabilities of Windows 8.1
update, kind of cool, kind of
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.390
neat stuff, lots of nice stuff
around the headlines of the UI
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.470
changes and also the Internet Explorer
enterprise mode, which
00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:41.460
hopefully we'll start to unblock
some deployments of Windows 8.1.
00:26:41.510 --> 00:26:46.920
>> Yeah, good stuff there. You know,
I know, using it myself and
00:26:46.970 --> 00:26:49.920
it's kind of refreshing. I don't
know if it was subliminal or
00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:53.530
not, but I felt like after the update
my machine booted faster.
00:26:53.580 --> 00:26:57.600
I know that was not an update but
it was subliminal. It felt
00:26:57.650 --> 00:26:59.490
like it was a little quicker.
00:26:59.540 --> 00:27:02.450
>> There are improvements in there
as well to make it work on
00:27:02.500 --> 00:27:05.570
lighter weight devices maybe devices
with less physical storage
00:27:05.620 --> 00:27:08.550
space on there so kind of cool.
00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:12.450
>> Well, definitely connect up with
the Edge team. We would love
00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:16.290
to hear from you. We have
Twitter, @TNedge
00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:21.900
so send us a tweet there
or hash tag TNedge.
00:27:21.950 --> 00:27:25.080
>> Don't forgot to respond in the
comments underneath the show,
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.810
fill those out. Let us know what
you think, tell us any ways
00:27:27.860 --> 00:27:31.010
we can improve. Probably one my
closing from interviews that's
00:27:31.060 --> 00:27:35.000
probably one way we can improve.
Any topics you would like us
00:27:35.050 --> 00:27:37.700
to go and talk to, anybody specific
from any of the teams you
00:27:37.750 --> 00:27:41.550
may have seen may be at one of the
conferences like Build, that
00:27:41.600 --> 00:27:46.000
you would like us to go and have
some conversations with, get
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them in front of the camera.
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So other ways to connect drop
us an e-mail. I've got e-mail
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address down there Facebook.
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>> Facebook.
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>> Until next week.
>> See you next time.