Much of this thread is offtopic, but I do need to make Stormfront more mobile friendly soon. According to Google Analytics today, 31.5% of our visitors use a mobile device. That's up 1-1/2% since I last checked a few weeks ago.

Google search also complained this morning about our mobile unfriendliness, saying that would affect search ranking. I had tried to add one quick fix a few months ago, "portalview" for mobile users. Google liked it, significantly raising their automated mobile friendliness score for our site. But our human users complained, so I removed it.

As someone alluded, we use vBulletin 3.8.8 software. I've never upgraded to vB4, even though I bought the license in a pre-release sale 4-1/2 years ago. I didn't install it because the initial releases were too buggy and added little advantage otherwise. Internet Brands had bought vB earlier, eventually running off every single one of the original developers. vBulletin has been dead in the water ever since.

IB released vB5 2-1/2 years ago, and it's still unusable. No large board uses it, except vB's own support site.

Many large boards, bigger than ours, still use vB3. These include, ironically, most of Internet Brands' own websites, most selling cars.

But all the cool kids with big boards have moved to XenForo, headed up by the original lead developer of vB. Unable to compete, Internet Brands, in time-honored tribal tradition, sued. The suit was eventually settled, but it delayed development.

So XenForo still doesn't have the full feature set of vB. Third party add-ons are available for stuff like blogs, but this complicates everything.

Another option is the more mature and fully featured Invision Board Pro. But it's interface would be less familiar to users accustomed to vB. And XenForo has more lively developers, including add-on developers. All the cool kids, ya' know.

We currently run 30 vB-specific add-ons and hundreds of other modifications, on which I've spent many hundreds of hours over the years getting to work right. I'm the only tech guy with access to our servers, and just the thought of moving to completely different software gives me a headache. It will also give headaches to our members, who don't like change to begin with.

I mean make a mobile version that is easier to use mobile phones are becoming a popular way to go online its faster then turning on a PC these days the site is fine on PC