"If you leave us in peace, we will do you no harm. If you wish to join us, we will set a chair at our table and work to our mutual benefit. If you work against us, we will have no choice but to retaliate."

AceOfSpades wrote:There is also the possibility that message 5 might be another serial killer, whenever a killer mentions a woman being like a work of art. (In this case sculpting.) It means they plan to "Correct" That art. In other words, cut her up until she is "perfect."

is it at all posible that Jack the Ripper came through?that does kinda sound like his thing...

AceOfSpades wrote:There is also the possibility that message 5 might be another serial killer, whenever a killer mentions a woman being like a work of art. (In this case sculpting.) It means they plan to "Correct" That art. In other words, cut her up until she is "perfect."

is it at all posible that Jack the Ripper came through?that does kinda sound like his thing...

No, Jack the Ripper is real. But another assassin may have passed (asides from Sweeney Todd).

"Well an idiot pokes the thing with his fingers. A scientist gets someone else's fingers."

AceOfSpades wrote:There is also the possibility that message 5 might be another serial killer, whenever a killer mentions a woman being like a work of art. (In this case sculpting.) It means they plan to "Correct" That art. In other words, cut her up until she is "perfect."

is it at all posible that Jack the Ripper came through?that does kinda sound like his thing...

No, Jack the Ripper is real. But another assassin may have passed (asides from Sweeney Todd).

But Jack the Ripper has surely been portrayed in fiction. There's no reason why fictionalized versions of actual people can't pass through.

If everyone would just agree with me, there would never be any problems.

Though there is some historical evidence for the existence of Sweeney Todd, he's most well known through fiction. I doubt Jack the Ripper would come through, because though he has certainly been portrayed in fiction, he's most well known as a historical serial killer.

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after.

Sweeny Todd mentions the plot of a movie he just saw (namely, the movie the character comes from). We know fictionals can't read the works they come from; but can they read derivative works? If he is a fictional, is it possible that he has seen the movie?

Tohrinha wrote:Sweeny Todd mentions the plot of a movie he just saw (namely, the movie the character comes from). We know fictionals can't read the works they come from; but can they read derivative works? If he is a fictional, is it possible that he has seen the movie?

I don't think he actually saw the movie, he was just making an excuse to the therapist.

Tohrinha wrote:Sweeny Todd mentions the plot of a movie he just saw (namely, the movie the character comes from). We know fictionals can't read the works they come from; but can they read derivative works? If he is a fictional, is it possible that he has seen the movie?

I don't think he actually saw the movie, he was just making an excuse to the therapist.

Not necessarily if this is the original penny dreadful Sweeny he could have viewed the movie with Johnny Depp if it is different enough

Tohrinha wrote:Sweeny Todd mentions the plot of a movie he just saw (namely, the movie the character comes from). We know fictionals can't read the works they come from; but can they read derivative works? If he is a fictional, is it possible that he has seen the movie?

I don't think he actually saw the movie, he was just making an excuse to the therapist.

Not necessarily if this is the original penny dreadful Sweeny he could have viewed the movie with Johnny Depp if it is different enough

Well 'how different does something have to be in order for them to be able to percieve it?' is another question we're not too sure ofthe answer for. I suggested R&J watch Westside Story a little earlier, but granted they're probably not going to get round to that now, and we've asked Poirot if he could pick up one of his books, but so far nothing there either.

They sometimes say, "the place where I am right now was circled on a map for me"... Unfortunately, I kind of suck at orienteering.

I suggested that it was probably likely that he figured his life was unusual enough to be a movie plot, and so used the excuse. He DOES come from a world similar to ours, except in the past, therefore he has the same ideas of story and unusual events as we do. I don't think he actually knows that he is fictional, but he might have his suspicions. Otherwise, from what I can tell about his character, he would have probably done something by now.

Normal people are the easiest to manipulate. Too smart and they have an annoying tendency to catch wind of your plans, too dumb and, in the words of a certain pirate, "You can never tell when they are about to do something incredibly...stupid."