Well the left has a problem when it comes to supporting Arabs engaged in jihad of the terrorism variety.

They both have the common goal of collapsing Western civilisation and neither can afford to publicy acknowledge that. The Arabs created 'the
Palestinians' as a stalking horse to hide their real agenda behind,

Whilst the left has a more awkward problem - how to support the agenda of terrorists, war criminals,murderers etc and yet still be able to masquerade
as the 'good people' the ones who 'really care' about ordinary people.

They need to be able to twist the perception of the public so that Arabs terrorism is percieved as 'excusable' - and that any measures to try and
combat Arab terrorism are presented as even greater terrorism, in fact they must be presented as the cause of the arabs 'excusable' reactions.

Ie Arabs keep sneaking past the checkpoints to blow up restaurants full of people, so Israel builds a wall to keep them out - presented by the left as
making Gazza into concentration camp

As for the preposterous spectacle of leftist luminaries, in bed with gay hanging, head chopping, women hating, ultra conservative fundamentalist
religious biggots - is simply never addressed and the compliant media will never challenge them about it.

fighting the symptoms without addressing the causes means perpetual war, which is EXACTLY what the right wings want.

That's utter nonsense.

1. The huge rational, alert, informed percentage of the right prefer to be left alone and to leave others alone.

2. It's NOT the right that's so eager to REDISTRIBUTE OTHER FOLKS' WEALTH!

3. It's NOT the right that's so eager to destroy RIGHT TO WORK LAWS.

4. It's NOT the right that's so eager to send our brightest and bravest off on suicidal to meaningless to trumped up genocidal wars of the Marxist
globalists plotting. We may be overly gullible at times and fall for the farce that our National security is at stake. However, our desire is to
protect our way of life--not thump others on the head.

5. It's NOT the right that is so eager to destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

6. It's NOT the right that encourages satanism, witchcraft and Islam in public schools while punishing Christianity fiercely.

Perhaps it's possible for some on the left to wake up. I've given up hoping that they will grow up.

Evidently you are unaware of the influence of Marxism inherently incorporated in the sweeping globalism consuming our planet. They have been Marxists
in a sense before Marx. They are certainly so now.

Denial of their existence pleases them and makes their job easier. Do you enjoy being complicit?

Perhaps these quote can be informative if you have any will toward the truth, at all.

Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also
in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Maos leadership is one of the most important and
successful in human history." [Hideous traitor] David Rockefeller, [brother of Nick quoted above], statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times
8-10-73)

They have long planned to rule the world with a bastardized form of Communism wedded to a mangled Tyrannical monopolistic form of "capitalism."

You think Islam would have stopped bombing the west if we bombed Mecca? Surely that would make them want to bomb us even more. Strange logic.

Likely . . . at an emotional level. And it would probably have been problematic at a practical level.

However, imho as a sociologist and psychologist . . .

FIERCELY VIOLENT OVERWHELMING FORCE seems to be the only thing that culture understands.

We might have had to follow up with some nukes on some other headquarters. At some point, they'd have gotten the message and some of them, at least
may well have gone back to buggering little boys and sheep instead of staying up all night designing bombs.

Would it have been worth it?

I hate bloodshed. I hate even hurting a violent animal unnecessarily. I even hate hunting for food though I'll do it if necessary.

And furthermore, if the leadership of these "independent" committees becomes corrupt then who's going to oversee the overseers?

I have long felt that were I to write the Constitution . . .

leaders would have to be

1. temporary
2. paid a middle of the top category of income during their duty tour
3. Chosen from the acknowledged MOST HUMBLE AND WISEST by their LOCAL cohorts.
4. Not be allowed to serve more than 6-8 years

5. Have to live under the same laws everyone else has to.
6. That all organizations significantly influencing the body politic would have to have temporary committees overseeing them.
7. Any budding arrogance due to their leadership positions on the part of formerly humble wise folks would mean their immediate dismissal from their
positions.

8. The top 15% (as empirically determined) of truly servant-hearted, lastingly humble and wise leaders could receive an upper middle income and health
insurance for 15 years after their service and/or for the projected last 20 years of their lives.

I don't know how else to prevent the sort of issues waging conflicts as depicted so well in this thread.

And, it might still be necessary to have a committee change 1-3 significant parts of the tax laws, or election laws or some such every 25 or so years
to minimize folks gaming the system.

AS to who would oversee the overseers . . . a challenge . . . temporary committees would help.

Identifying ego driven power-mongers and immediately removing them from power and influence could help.

Every Egyptian Muslim and Indonesian Muslim wants Islam to play a large role in politics. Pakistan and Nigeria are not far behind with 88% of the
population supporting this.Turkey is the lowest with 45% of the population supporting Islam mixed with their political system.

Lebanese Muslims are, by far, the most critical of al Qaeda and bin Laden. Only 3% have a positive opinion of the organization, while 94% have a
negative opinion. Virtually no Lebanese Muslims express confidence in bin Laden;

At least three-quarters of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan say they would favor making each of the following the law in their countries: stoning people
who commit adultery, whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim
religion. Majorities of Muslims in Jordan and Nigeria also favor these harsh punishments.

That's the substrate, the norm, their reality . . . in major respects and ways.

That's correct. What people don't realise is that the reason the west got to where it is is because in Europe the people were able to seperate
church from state. Education stopped being only in the realm of the church and the church lost much of its power of being in control of the heads of
state. The average person was able to become educated and as a result were in a better position to question the church.

Alot of these muslim countries are still very much in the dark age as thier religion and state are one and the same. This is also why it's very bad
for us if these countries get to develope nuclear weapons because those weapons would be in the hands of emotion not logic and there is no such thing
as the MAD factor if TPTB of those countries believe that their people will be martyred if they attack the infidel and the infidel strikes back.

My question is, how come US were best pals with Islamic extremists and supported them in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Bosnia against Soviets until 9/11
took place?

Was Islam a peaceful religion prior 9/11 as it has been on this planet for 1400 years? So why did we not hear about islam being the big bad religion
prior 9/11?

Why is US best pals with Saudi Arabia where Sharia Law has been fully implemented and where women can't even drive or leave their houses without
their males relatives accompanying them?

Just tryna make sense, can someone help me with these questions please?

1. The Marxist globalist oligarchy plays all sides against the middle and manipulates all the big events and many not so big.

2. Islam is a tool as everything and everyone else are tools, cogs in the great globalist Marxist satanic machine rushing toward the tyrannical global
government and literal Armageddon.

3. They are determined to destroy the "OLD ORDER" in order to make setting up the NEW WORLD ORDER easier and more thorough.

4. They are determined to reduce the population globally to 200 million.

5. When they wish--black is white; white is black; up is down; down is up; . . . all in the service of the globalist oligarchy.

6. Most of them truly believe that there is no wrong or right except as the globalist elite decide momentarily what is 'right' FOR THEM at that
point in time in that situation.

7. The rest of us are at best serfs and slaves or 'useless eaters' to be exterminated.

8. Afghanistan was useful in one way at one point in time and is now useful in another way at another point in time.

9. Islam similarly will be cast aside, obliterated WHEN the globalists have begun to transition the smoldering ashes of the rest of religions they
have used Islam to obliterate . . . as they transition to the one world religion to worship literally satan alone. Until then, the blood thirsty
exclusionist, exclusivity and ruthlessness of Islam serves the blood thirsty globalist leadership quite well.

I do think that in this fallen world, it is a huge hazard to have governance of the political realm OVERLY involved with the RELIGIOUS realm.

However, when Christ removes all evil from the planet, that won't be a problem.

And, the atheist, Marxist, globalist religion of scientism idiots have used their cohorts in the courts to trash religion under the farcical
interpretation that the Constitution meant FREEDOM FROM religion instead of OF religion in the public square.

Taking God overtly out of public life has facilitated the slippery slide toward hell the Nation, world and planet have been on ever since.

It can be tricky drawing such lines.

Allowing the demonized courts to draw the line very close to the gates of hell has been stupid and Nationally, culturally suicidal.

And those chickens have just barely BEGUN to come home to roost. The blood will flow deep and wide before all those chickens have come home to roost.

Which part of the true history of the DEMS setting up and triggering the major wars of the last 100 years are you refusing to believe?

And which part of the CURRENT, MODERN GOP platform are you refusing to believe?

The entire stage of GOP candidates are hell bent on bombing Iran and instating war
based upon the same type of hatred the right wing muslim extremists avow. You have got
to be in some serious denial...

Which part of the fact that the globalist Marxist socialist oligarchy uses BOTH DEMS AND GOP ruthlessly do you fail to understand?

What Marxists? The Soviet Union fell 20 years ago... You are making excuses for the Banks and
the corporatists, last I checked, they were the ones who cashed out. Calling things socialist does
not change the fact that banks oporate with CAPITALIST mechanisms and motives, sorry, the
socialists are dead...

Where does ignorance of the facts start and stop vs willful blindness about the facts start and stop?

What facts, you are spouting fairytales here... CHASE, BOFA, AIG,TRAVELERS GROUP, those are
private companies, not communes.

Perhaps you'd do well to ponder this historic assertion about Iraq:
In his 1933 book, "The Shape of Things to Come " Wells predicts that the headquarters of this world government would be in Basra, Iraq which is
relatively near Babylon and modern Iran.

Gee, and Obama just divested the US military potency in IRAQ, so where is your theory now,
is EVERYTHING OPPOSITE?

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