Terry Racism Trial | Found Not Guilty | Trial starts Monday 9th July

That's the other thing acrebo, if Anton didn't know about it on the pitch, and was made aware afterward, then why would Terry speak out in the first place, unless he's done a quick time jump into the future? If Anton didn't say anything on the pitch, what could possibly give Terry a reason to say that anyway? Surely he can only respond with the comment once Anton has said something.

That's the other thing acrebo, if Anton didn't know about it on the pitch, and was made aware afterward, then why would Terry speak out in the first place, unless he's done a quick time jump into the future? If Anton didn't say anything on the pitch, what could possibly give Terry a reason to say that anyway? Surely he can only respond with the comment once Anton has said something.

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In JT world he is never wrong even when he's sleeping with his teammates partner.

Terry could have called Paddy Kenny a "fat cnut", which Ferdinand misheard and said "did you call me a black cnut?"

All very unlikely and whoever is investigating it just needs to ask Ferdinand whether or not he did ask that specific question.

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Mystery solved !

The most likely thing is that Terry was calling him a cnut and using "black" as another adjective, not as a particularly racist insult, just as an insult.

I don't really see how the word black makes what he said racist. Anton Ferdinand is black and Terry was calling him a cnut. I don't see how it would be any different than calling someone a "tall cnut" or a "blonde-haired cnut". In fact, the inference by people that using the word "black" as an adjective is racist is probably the most racist thing of all.

Either way though I despise Terry, so throw the book at the racist thug!

The most likely thing is that Terry was calling him a cnut and using "black" as another adjective, not as a particularly racist insult, just as an insult.

I don't really see how the word black makes what he said racist. Anton Ferdinand is black and Terry was calling him a cnut. I don't see how it would be any different than calling someone a "tall cnut" or a "blonde-haired cnut". In fact, the inference by people that using the word "black" as an adjective is racist is probably the most racist thing of all.

Either way though I despise Terry so throw the book at the racist thug!

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Tall people and blonde people aren't races so are per definition not able to be targeted with racism per se.

Oh, and neither are scousers, so you ain't a racist if you call someone a scouse cnut.

I follow some of the journos, get a heads up as soon as they put up new articles, some United journos(put up pics, interviews, reminders for things on MUTV) and CNN/BBC/Al Jazeera along with some american sports journos, Bill Simmons and a few others.

^ post 9/11...he was drunk with some other Chelsea players, saw some American tourists and said/did a few not so nice things...

The 9/11 party
With their flight to an away match at Levski Sofia grounded in the aftermath of the Terror attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001, Chelsea players found themselves at a loose end. Some went home to watch CNN, but Terry Eidur Gudjohnsen, Frank Lampard and Morris had other ideas.

After visiting a couple of pubs - where a "hammered" Gudjohnsen stripped off and threw peanuts at punters while Lampard and Morris urinated in a rubbish bin outside - the group went on to a local bowling alley where they hurled themselves down the lanes and saw former colleague Frank Sinclair, who by now had joined the party, almost decapitated by the pin-changing mechanism.

Finally they ended up in the bar of the Posthouse Hotel at Heathrow, where stranded travellers, many of them Americans, had gathered to watch events unfold on TV. Instead they were treated to the players throwing food around while pictures were shown of sobbing firemen searching through the rubble for the dead, before one player exposed himself to the appalled throng.

He and a few other Chelsea players were in a hotel bar (our old train ground was close to heathrow airport) being drunk and loud on September11th 2001. They were asked to keep the noise down by some Americans who were (understandably) not in the mood for drunken idiots. The Americans were pretty much told to feck off.

I was told this by a good friend of one of the players there, nothingabout 9 11 was mentioned by the players. Might be bollocks but thats my understanding.

He and a few other Chelsea players were in a hotel bar (our old train ground was close to heathrow airport) being drunk and loud on September11th 2001. They were asked to keep the noise down by some Americans who were (understandably) not in the mood for drunken idiots. The Americans were pretty much told to feck off.

I was told this by a good friend of one of the players there, nothingabout 9 11 was mentioned by the players. Might be bollocks but thats my understanding.

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I would be inclined to believe that. The 9/11 part being a nice bit of spin for the gutter press.

He was sent off against Spurs for an off the ball incident. The rumours are/were that the ref had heard Terry call King a "lippy black monkey".

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If he did, it would have become known to the press. It was probably something nasty but not racist.There were plenty of players around during that exchange, there's no chance it would remain a secret and even if CFC players wouldn't tell on Terry, Spurs players would certainly back King.Some twat simply started a rumor and plenty of twats followed suit.

Does anyone really believe in this day and age something like this could have been hushed up? Especially in England where tabloids would be all over it in a second?

Anyone got a decent video of that 2006 sending off, I think that was the game where Lennon scored the winner with his left foot but funnily enough I can't remember this incident at all. Apparently all the black Tottenham players were angry, I'd like video footage to confirm this but the videos on YouTube are ones from the crowd where you can't really make anything out.

Anyone got a decent video of that 2006 sending off, I think that was the game where Lennon scored the winner with his left foot but funnily enough I can't remember this incident at all. Apparently all the black Tottenham players were angry, I'd like video footage to confirm this but the videos on YouTube are ones from the crowd where you can't really make anything out.

anti, you know nothing about it just like the rest of us... your interpretations carry just as much weight as anyone elses in here. I'm of the mind that something went on and was brushed under the carpet, similar to what will happen now....

anti, you know nothing about it just like the rest of us... your interpretations carry just as much weight as anyone elses in here. I'm of the mind that something went on and was brushed under the carpet, similar to what will happen now....

Edit: I'm sure you'd be able to find a thread on it somewhere....

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Why on earth would the players or media cover it up? It's a massive story "England captain racially abuses teamate" that would sell papers. The only reason they would have to not report it is a) they are saving the story for a slow news week or b) it didn't happen.

Why on earth would the players or media cover it up? It's a massive story "England captain racially abuses teamate" that would sell papers. The only reason they would have to not report it is a) they are saving the story for a slow news week or b) it didn't happen.

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As I said I don't know what happened, and you talking about players or media means nothing, it's entirely possible that the clubs and those players present chose to keep it quiet. If you disagree then you've been living in a bubble the last 10 years...

As I said I don't know what happened, and you talking about players or media means nothing, it's entirely possible that the clubs and those players present chose to keep it quiet. If you disagree then you've been living in a bubble the last 10 years...

Tall people and blonde people aren't races so are per definition not able to be targeted with racism per se.

Oh, and neither are scousers, so you ain't a racist if you call someone a scouse cnut.

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I'm pretty sure "black" covers a few different races, but I don't really understand getting offended by someone using the politically correct name for your ethnic group. Would it be sexist to call someone a "female cnut", or just offensive? Likewise ageist to call someone an "old cnut"? I certainly wouldn't be insulted by the "white" part of someone calling me a white "cnut".