"One-third of all pregnancies in the state end in abortion, and in some parts of New York City the abortion rate is more than 60 percent."

Wow, seriously? NYC treats life like it's a ****ing joke.

"The abortion language would allow late-term abortions, allow non-doctors to perform abortions, and supersede any reasonable restrictions such as parental notification"

So let me get this straight, Gov. Cuomo pushed hard to limit the amount of rounds people can have. He's big on preventing people from dying by way of the bullet. Yet he's perfectly OK with allowing women to abort kids after 7 or even 8 months? That's basically a baby.

That might be not only some of the most contradicting logic I've ever heard, but perfect proof that some people just really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility. Liberal logic here is horrible.

just incase those pro abortion people don't understand this is what you call a late term abortion. Bascially the baby is too large to take out with a vacuum so they must conduct what they call a partial birth abortion. Basically they birth the baby but leave the head in the virgina. They then cut a hole at the base of the baby's head and snake in a vacuum hose to suck out the baby's brain.

It's important to note that a baby at 6 months can live outside the womb so this is killing a human no matter how you look at it.

If you're religious, aborted babies go to heaven and people who support abortion go to hell. Isn't that satisfaction enough? This whole debate over the years has become very tiring and boresome.

Well, I was taught that the only way to the father is through the sun, or simply put, the only way to heaven is to consciously accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, begging forgiveness for all sins. Babies are just as tainted by original sin as the rest of man, so I'm pretty sure that means that all dead babies burn in inescapable hellfire for eternity. God is good.

Anywho, unborn fetuses are a different story, however, because they have technically not "made it to Earth" quite yet. Until they exit the wound and can survive as independent entities, unattached form the mother host, they likely have no soul to burn, so are probably safe from torment as long as they are never born. Abortion clinics, in this way, save the unborn from the Lords wrath of the sinful, by taking advantage of one of His many loopholes.

Although, because these fetuses are technically mere growths and extended body parts of the mother host, and because the mother likely had premarital sex to get in the situation in the first place, it could stand to reason that the fetus is damned from the start, never even needing original sin to earn their ticket to Hell.

If you're religious, aborted babies go to heaven and people who support abortion go to hell. Isn't that satisfaction enough? This whole debate over the years has become very tiring and boresome.

From a religious perspective I don't think it is that cut and dry.

But even from a strictly human standpoint, at a certain point a baby is a baby that can live outside of the womb (if it had to). So I think the argument here is what is the difference from killing a baby in the womb that can survive outside the womb itself and a 1 month old already born?

The game he's playing is waging a war between NYC & downstate versus upstate. The guy really wants to run for the presidency but can't see how much of a failure he is outside of his NYC and downstate constituents.

IMO: abortion is wrong. However I feel it is justifiable if it threatens the life of the mother or was a case of incest and/or rape. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex or at least use the effective forms of birth control.

Well, I was taught that the only way to the father is through the sun, or simply put, the only way to heaven is to consciously accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, begging forgiveness for all sins. Babies are just as tainted by original sin as the rest of man, so I'm pretty sure that means that all dead babies burn in inescapable hellfire for eternity. God is good.

Anywho, unborn fetuses are a different story, however, because they have technically not "made it to Earth" quite yet. Until they exit the wound and can survive as independent entities, unattached form the mother host, they likely have no soul to burn, so are probably safe from torment as long as they are never born. Abortion clinics, in this way, save the unborn from the Lords wrath of the sinful, by taking advantage of one of His many loopholes.

Although, because these fetuses are technically mere growths and extended body parts of the mother host, and because the mother likely had premarital sex to get in the situation in the first place, it could stand to reason that the fetus is damned from the start, never even needing original sin to earn their ticket to Hell.

Man, interesting thread

What church do you believe holds this doctrine?

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I believe that the Catholic Church teaches that unbaptized babies go to purgatory. I'm not really sure what that means though. Can anyone explain?

I apologize if this post seems to fall into the Religion OT as opposed to the Politics. But this thread seems to have ties to both.

To be frank, Catholics are complex. The simplest answer I can give is what the International Theological Commission had to say in its address The hope of salvation for infants who die without being baptized:

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The conclusion of this study is that there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness, even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in Revelation.

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Man I hate the modern Vatican. Eternal happiness, bleh. Seeing as how an unborn infant isn't able to go through any requirement for the attainment of theosis, it is likely that they simply end up in oblivion. This outcome would certainly stress the immorality of abortion as per Catholicism. Additionally it aligns with the function of miscarriage.

Man I hate the modern Vatican. Eternal happiness, bleh. Seeing as how an unborn infant isn't able to go through any requirement for the attainment of theosis, it is likely that they simply end up in oblivion. This outcome would certainly stress the immorality of abortion as per Catholicism. Additionally it aligns with the function of miscarriage.

This isn't a new concept. I know Aquinas believed this (or something very similiar) which was codified in Eleventh session of the Council of Florence in the mid 1400s. If I remember correctly, it goes back farther than that. Aberlard or Heloise in the mid 12th? Something like that.

I do remember that the Council at Carthage in the mid 400s choose not to endorse Augustine's view of "mild condemnation".

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“There are only two kinds of people, those who accept dogmas and know it, and those who accept dogmas and don’t know it.” – G. K. Chesterton - The Mercy of Mr. Arnold Bennett, Fancies vs. Fads

This isn't a new concept. I know Aquinas believed this (or something very similiar) which was codified in Eleventh session of the Council of Florence in the mid 1400s. If I remember correctly, it goes back farther than that. Aberlard or Heloise in the mid 12th? Something like that.

I do remember that the Council at Carthage in the mid 400s choose not to endorse Augustine's view of "mild condemnation".

Just so we are clear before I say anything, we are talking about the unborn, not my first 2 statements?