I've done my research and am not about to do any for someone who can't when the page numbers are given to them. Besides, what does it matter to you?
You live in Canada and love your laws. Leave those of us that live here make the decisions how we live.

Hold on... you mean to tell me that a bill no one read, was passed by back room deals, and was essentially crammed down the throats of the majority of
Americans (who opposed it), is going to be detrimental to our society???

Seriously, what has happened to America? We are doomed, screw 2012, we should be lucky to see 2011.

Unfortunately, although I was agreeing with you, when you decided to blame this on the Muslims, you lost it. Maybe that is the problem. The problem
is difusion. You can defuse the prolblem by blaming it on your pet peeve, the Muslims. Everybody difuses it and the government gets away with it
again. The root of the problem is that our criminal government is controlled by offshore bankers in league with feudalistic royals who want economic
control plus depoulation. Since the offshore bankers and the feudalistic royals both backed Hitler in WWII, they have revealed their world goals which
are total control and depopulation. On the way there,they intend to reduce the US to poverty to make use of cheap manpower and cannon fodder to bring
their war of world conquest to victory.

You are on of the prime examples, of a couple of examples, of American citizens that do not get it. This is not just about you. Do you really think
the rich are going carry the expense for this health care LOL - ever wonder why they are rich? They didn't get rich by given into the government. The
middle class is going carry the brunt of the cost for this health bill - period. But maybe you were referring to the middle class as rich.

There is so much to this health care bill that a lawyer would need weeks to figure out the final results - yet most of this administration didn't
even finishing reading it LOL. That is why you have to pre-pay for gasoline before you fill your tank - same concept. and you say you don't care and
don't give two s#ts. You may want to think about where you may be in the near future - maybe you will be "one the rich" paying for other peoples
health care - I wonder how you will like that if that happens LOL You will be a tax slave right along with the rest of us.

Everyone in congress needs to be dragged out by their necks (and especially this administration) and relieved of duty. Re-elect a new congress via the
internet (using the best tech people on the face of the globe). Then let the newly elected serve one term (what ever length we decide on by another
election) and then when their term is over - send them right to the congress rehab - jail - because by the time they get out they are corrupt. Just
kidding of course.

Congress is nothing more than the Genovesse's or Gambino's (Repulicans and Democrats) running us into the ground. Just depends who is in power at
the time for their turn to pillage / rape / steal and profit from that power. You couldn't hire a better group to destroy a nation as the group we
now have in that zoo building.

I believe in all the principles and the system we have in America but they are shredding all of it on a daily bases. Drinking the kool-aid gets us
nowhere - it will eventually succeed in dividing us even more - and that seems what this administration is bent on. They never hesitate to pull out
the race card when things get rough - thus keeping us divided.

Liberals will give this country away until there is nothing left to give - then the s#t will hit the blades. History never fails to repeat itself.
Many have been predicting the s#t hitting the blades - and it is for sure getting closer as we battle on ATS. It is easy to type and sit back and
bi### about our predicament - but believe me there are many people out there that get things done and can still save this country in spite of itself.

It still remains. It doesn't effect you and if you are only going by what you have heard from your all controlled media and your all controlling
government, I'm sure you have a real grasp of what out Health Care law is about. If you have tried to read it like you SAY you have, and can't see
where it doesn't work then I have no other opinion to share with you. It wouldn't matter and I have no incentive to try to change the opinion you
already have!

This post and the three following it contain links to the various claims
about the health care bill (it was at the time, yes it's law now) and how true those claims are. If you're really interested in seeing the truth
behind claims that were made and not just out to prove a point, it's all there for your perusal.

Jenna,
My guess is he doesn't want to learn, he wants to be convinced and that is not our problem. The page numbers are there to read and it's his
responsibility to make his own decisions on validity. Thanks by the way, I was looking for those links!
Zindo

I don't believe my eyes. Here we have an entirely new thread that duplicates
the discussions that were active here on ATS months ago. What I don't
understand is how this "ObamaCare" plan was signed into law but nothing
dreadful has happened? We were all warned of dire consequences, but when
will they occur?

I guess you haven't read the bill either. We are going to be paying higher taxes for this damned monstrosity for four years before anyone is
eligible. Then when it starts to kick in the fun starts. What we're talking about is the absolute control this law, by it's language and intentions,
will do to curtail our freedom to live as each individual see fit. It has NOTHING to do with good intentions. It has everything to do with control of
our lives!

Originally posted by piddles
all of you people always describe the HCR bill as some kind of homosexual fantasy when the current system guarantees you will pay WAY more than
necessary..."out the ass" if you will.

whatever dudes

[edit on 4-5-2010 by piddles]

Huh? You can't possibly be serious - and actually be thinking - all at the same time.

Under the 'current' system, not only do I NOT 'pay out the ass', I don't pay anything at all. I take care of my own health, doctors, hospitals,
lawyers and insurance companies can kiss my... non-payments.

[edit on 2010/5/4 by nenothtu]

yeah I'm not covered so I hafta pay for health care like normal people do, which is out the ass. There's things you can do like go to other
countries for surgery and treat yourself holistically but that stuff tends to be expensive as well.

Doom and gloom, they will tweak it and find a few tax dollars and the sky will quite falling for a while. Then it will start all over again, a few
new changes, a few new taxes and all will be good again. It's a cycle that has been going on for decades so don't get your panties in a wad. You
will be OK in the long run.

In reality, the healthcare bill, as with many other pieces of legislation, isn't really about what people think it is. The real agenda of the
healthcare legislation is control. When you control every aspect of a citizens life, you control them completely.

When all the analysis is done, and all the thousands of pages are read, and the public finally understands what's really in the package,
they'll see the truth. it was a control issue all the time. The powers that be need this bill to further their agenda. They want to ration, and
have people crawling on their knees, begging the government for help.

This bill is only the start. Once Cap and trade start, and every other piece of crap legislation our idiot congress passes, wee will have the last
few nails driven into the coffin of the middle class.

And yes, the fearmongers were right. But it only gets worse. if you thinkit's bad now, give it six months.

Anytime. It took me a minute to find the thread. Couldn't remember what it was called, and it's been long enough that it's not on my recent posts
anymore. Can't force anyone to read through it all, but it's there should anyone choose to.

They occurred when our president made back room guarantees to insurance companies & the pharmaceutical companies that he would protect their profits
AND guarantee them millions of indentured customers. Then, they occurred again when our Congress used the proposals as leverage for political
haymaking and corruption and AFTER their constituents b*tched & screamed & called & faxed & emailed & petitioned, the SOBs went ahead and signed the
bill ANYWAY.

But the REAL tragedy comes when people have to choose between making their house payments and feeding their kids & making sure the CEOs & lobbyists
get their guaranteed bonuses from their politician friend's saps. Or that they get SERIOUSLY ill from something minor because NOW, they don't have
the "disposable income" to go to a neighborhood clinic, because they spent it on ins they can't afford to use or a tax...er, excuse me. A
"fine".
You aren't the first OFA many of us have ever seen. We know the drill: But, but you can move into an apartment...CLOSER to work. You can buy a USED
car (like that won't take some funds to keep running)...or or or...RIDE A BICYCLE (right. in Boston. In the middle of Winter) I was surprised that
food banks weren't mentioned as a relief.
Sorry for the flame, but if Y'All weren't so blinded by The Great One, or brainwashed, or whatever the hell is wrong with you, you would realize
just how ticked off people are. LIBERALS are ticked off! Just because the "dissent" is pushed back 2 dozen pages on sites like HuffPo or shouted
down on the left blogs where Y'All can't see it, it is still there. Geeeez Y'All are like robots. When obviously lame stuff like car insurance gets
debunked over & over again, you STILL keep on.

Originally posted by piddles
yeah I'm not covered so I hafta pay for health care like normal people do, which is out the ass. There's things you can do like go to other
countries for surgery and treat yourself holistically but that stuff tends to be expensive as well.

Sooo... the gist of your argument is that, since, for whatever reason, you won't take care of yourself (I dunno - maybe you haven't figured out how,
maybe you're squeamish, could be a lot of reasons other than sheer sorriness), so other folks should pay for yet OTHER folks to do it for you? Does
that about wrap it up?

I'll tell you what, you folks are more than welcome to impose whatever sort of external control system on yourselves you'd like to, but I'm not
buying into it. I'll be just fine as I am, no micromanagement necessary. I'm opting out of your collective.

Before you tell me I 'can't', I'll clue you in - I've thrown my own stitches, set my own breaks, cured my own infections and whatnot, and will
continue to do so. I've not found it to be terribly expensive, certainly not as much so as what I've paid into that useless insurance scam. I've
not been to see a doctor in 24 years (and that was because the boss MADE me go to remove a troublesome wedding band from a damaged finger - I was just
gonna take the band off with tin snips), and am just fine. Meanwhile, all around me, these doctor-running folks are falling by the wayside left and
right.

I'm telling ya, there's something wrong there beyond whether or not the government forces me to buy useless insurance I can't afford to use, and
don't particularly want to use anyhow.

Nope, I'm not buying into your collective at all. I've got no problems if YOU volunteer to, though. That's the American way - live and let live.
Don't force ME into anything, and I'll not force YOU.

Ah yes!... Europe is one country all in unison. Blain and brown, PM's of europe not just england. Forget about all the other countries. It's not like
their are countries that make up europe or anything. Pretty crazy civil war you guys had with germany and hitler.

And then we have rulers of north america like bush and obama. Canada and mexico who?

All sarcasm aside, but are that many people on this site that misinformed of geography. I've heard things from people on here ranging from the
european army to european health care, leaders, and business. Really?

As a major in business I would never expect to do business with just europe. Yet so many people on here think they are some kind of business
enterprise and their are no borders in europe. You guys do know that you've been to war with each other many times over the course of history?

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