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WAR was everything I wanted in an MMO, which helped me realize I'm done with MMOs. I tried a bit of Wrath of Heroes, and it really is some of the best parts of WAR. Pretty solid. Doesn't have much to do with Warhammer at this point, however.

Agreed. Wrath of Heroes is a fun little skirmish PVP game, but it only has the barest traces of Warhammeriness left in it at this point.

I'd love to see Warhammer come out with a turn-based skirmish game with armies and a persistent map and all that junk, and then let me play it on my iPad while I'm pooping. That'd pretty much be the best thing ever.

GW settings are too big to try to shovel all the crazy, iconic elements. What we need are slices of the settings that map well to game mechanics.

That's why I also didn't like the Ultramarines movie. It tried too hard to be 40k, instead of just be a story told in the universe. I'd even have been happier if they didn't try to explain everything at the start - it's not needed. Look at Alien. Were we told everything about that universe? Predator? Good movies don't spend the first 10 minutes badly summarising the back story.

I have purchased a non-GW model for my Beastlord (Link) and I am in two minds with equipment to give him.

My initial plan for the model is to swap the staff out for a second axe and then equip him with Light Armour, The Steel Claws, Talisman of Preservation, Potion of Speed, and Gnarled Hide.

My dilema comes two fold; How important are magic weapons (primerally vs Skaven) - could he get by with just a normal Additional Hand Weapon and save 30 pts?

Secondly, armour - On one hand he looks (IMHO) to be in "light" armour, and with his current set up I get a 4+/4+ save. However for only a couple points more I could get Heavy Armour and bump to a 3+/4+. Should I stick to what feels "right" for the model (light), or what would be better on the battlefield (heavy).

First Question: Magic attacks against Skaven aren't really necessary, since they don't have many Ethereal things(which are only hurt by magical attacks). I'd really only go out of my way to have magic attacks if I was playing against VC. Flaming attacks should be something to think about if you play a lot of Skaven.

Second Question: That's really up to you, and whether or not you think everything should be based on what the model looks like it has.

I think he means is a mundane weapon worth the savings. The answer really depends on what you plan on using him for. If your Beastlord is going to be a character killer, there's a ton of cool weapons that will make him an ace with that (and other magical items). If he's going to be cleaving through rank and file guys, then there's other weapons for that although a mundane one will do if you're tight on points.

As mentioned, whether to go for battlefield effectiveness vs. fluffiness is up to you. I'd just throw heavy armor and say he's thick skinned in addition to his armor ;)

I have purchased a non-GW model for my Beastlord (Link) and I am in two minds with equipment to give him.

My initial plan for the model is to swap the staff out for a second axe and then equip him with Light Armour, The Steel Claws, Talisman of Preservation, Potion of Speed, and Gnarled Hide.

My dilema comes two fold; How important are magic weapons (primerally vs Skaven) - could he get by with just a normal Additional Hand Weapon and save 30 pts?

Secondly, armour - On one hand he looks (IMHO) to be in "light" armour, and with his current set up I get a 4+/4+ save. However for only a couple points more I could get Heavy Armour and bump to a 3+/4+. Should I stick to what feels "right" for the model (light), or what would be better on the battlefield (heavy).

There is a pretty standard netlist option for Beastlords that I use that is pretty amazing and works well to keep your army together. I guess I shouldn't classify it as 'netlist' - it helps get rid of some of the dumb things they chose to do with the latest Beastman army book.

Really it boils down to giving him a Crown of Command, some kind of ward save and armor so that he doesn't die. You need him to stay alive for the LD he provides. I'd just go with a hand weapon and shield personally.

So, I don't play WFB as often as 40k nor do I put as much money into it, but I was just given about 24 Khorne Chaos Knights. I know maybe three or four people in my area who play Fantasy, and none of them play Northmen. What are they like in comparison to Vampire Counts, cuz' that's what I normally play.

So, I don't play WFB as often as 40k nor do I put as much money into it, but I was just given about 24 Khorne Chaos Knights. I know maybe three or four people in my area who play Fantasy, and none of them play Northmen. What are they like in comparison to Vampire Counts, cuz' that's what I normally play.

I have purchased a non-GW model for my Beastlord (Link) and I am in two minds with equipment to give him.

My initial plan for the model is to swap the staff out for a second axe and then equip him with Light Armour, The Steel Claws, Talisman of Preservation, Potion of Speed, and Gnarled Hide.

My dilema comes two fold; How important are magic weapons (primerally vs Skaven) - could he get by with just a normal Additional Hand Weapon and save 30 pts?

Secondly, armour - On one hand he looks (IMHO) to be in "light" armour, and with his current set up I get a 4+/4+ save. However for only a couple points more I could get Heavy Armour and bump to a 3+/4+. Should I stick to what feels "right" for the model (light), or what would be better on the battlefield (heavy).

in terms of modeling, GW themselves are totally inconsistant as to what on a model constitutes light / heavy / full plate armor.

I am pretty sure my opponent will end up going for lots of units that are only 20 strong. I am hoping to be able to get better positioning, keep my units pretty tight, and pick fights one by one rather than spreading out. Gor / Bestogor would charge in, with the Ungor holding back to be a counter charge (or even a suicide unit if needed).

I'm going to question your choice of general and BSB a bit. Getting a lord level character as well as a BSB at 1000 points seems excessive. Also, no bray shaman means no magic. I know beasts have low LD, so you may need the BSB even in a low points game. But I really don't think you need a tooled up lord at that level.

I'm going to question your choice of general and BSB a bit. Getting a lord level character as well as a BSB at 1000 points seems excessive. Also, no bray shaman means no magic. I know beasts have low LD, so you may need the BSB even in a low points game. But I really don't think you need a tooled up lord at that level.

I could drop the Lord and have a Wargor General at 143 pts, remove the magic banner from the Wargor BSB to take him down to 114 pts, and then squeeze in a Lvl 2 Bray Shaman with Lore of Beasts and the Shadowhide for 115 pts?
Scratch that... that gives me 35% Heros

One trick for small games, and I don't know how well it works with Beastmen, is to just sprinkle in cheap characters for their high LD. That can counteract the lack of a BSB at this points level, since you've got so few units.

One trick for small games, and I don't know how well it works with Beastmen, is to just sprinkle in cheap characters for their high LD. That can counteract the lack of a BSB at this points level, since you've got so few units.

OK, reworked the list a bit. Am still including the Beastlord but with much less equipment, the BSB is dropped to a normal Wargor, and finally a Bray-Shaman added in;

Looking at the recent spate of 'omg huge' kits GW are giving 8th edition books, I wonder if they'd be able to entice me to Lizardmen. My main complaints with the range are their Cold Ones look terrible and there aren't enough dinosaurs in the range. Someone mentioned on Dakka, which would probably make me start Lizardmen, Carnosaur cavalry units, which would actually make sense since GW are giving everyone monstrous cavalry these days.

Carnosaur cavalry and some other big dinosaur dual kit, and better Cold One models like the Dark Elf models (I realize they're meant to be different animals, just named similarly, but the Lizardmen Cold Ones look retarded) would basically make the Lizardmen range perfect.

Not that different; the ones the elves ride have just been bred to better match elf aesthetics. Though the modls of the Lizardmen version are indeed terrible and coul definitely do with the same kind of reworking as the elf bred ones, just not necessarily in the same 'sleek' style.

What I think is a bit of a shame, is the mixture of aesthetics in the Skaven range. Personally I'm a fan of the more recent stuff, i.e. the Clanrats and Stormvermin kits, while the older stuff, such as the Nightrunners / Plague Priests / Plague Bearers / old weapon teams with the massive hands is a bit jarring.

I was trying to figure out how BTP made their censor bearers linked in that video; looks like the Stormvermin bodies with the halberds sniped at the end to have chains and censors on the end (I don't know where that bit came from); the heads I want to say much be from the Plague Priest kits, although they do seem slimmer.

All of the ranges have that. Basically, the older models, particularly the plastic kits, from around 6th edition, look pretty bad when compared to the newer kits. Look at the Vampire Counts range - the Zombies are from 6th edition, and were one of Fantasys first plastic regiments. They're terrible. Out of proportion, almost zero poseability due to flat connection surfaces, and just in general bad sculpts - compared to plastics from 8th edition, anyway.

Then look at the Skeletons, Ghouls and Grave Guard. They're fantastically proportioned. The Skeletons and Grave Guard are probably the best proportioned skeleton models on the market, and actually look like they could fit inside a human sized Fantasy model as its skeleton. They have massive poseability for rank and file models, and are just in general awesome sculpts. The Ghouls lack the poseability due to how the arms connect, but they're still really good models.

The issue comes from GW not updating the older plastic kits, which I understand. It's not cheap. But you mention it being jarring with different types of Skaven, how about different models of the same type? The Corpse Cart has fantastic zombies. And when sitting next to the older zombie models, that's jarring.

Sorry, I'm not saying that other ranges don't have similar problems. I was just talking about Skaven because they're my favorite.

It's a bit of a shame that GW didn't go back to revisit the Nightrunners and Plague Priest kits not only to help those 2 units match the range, but the latter could have been useful in adding some extra bits in the kit to make Plague Censor Bearers (obviously the Nightrunners could have easily doubled up to make Gutter Runners and Assassins). The metal models just seem a bit rubbish in terms of looks and cost.

Sidenote, I have made / painted a Skaven bloodbowl team out of the Stormvermin kit for the Linerats / Blitzers / Thrower while I used the Nightrunners kit for the Gutter Runners. It isn't quite so bad, because the nightrunner skaven help make them look like the strength 2 runts that they are. Obviously I'm upset there isn't a more recent ninja rat kit and really should just suck it up

It's a bit of a shame that GW didn't go back to revisit the Nightrunners and Plague Priest kits

If you don't have the new Screaming Bell (or you do and you still have the leftover bits from it), you can take the Plague Priest from the Plague Engine sprues and stick him on a base. Just make sure to point his staff carefully if you ever want him to rank up well in a block of dudemans.

The thing with Plague Monks and Nightrunners is they already have a plastic kit. While they might be a bit old, GW seems reluctant to redo anything with a plastic kit already and focus on just getting the rest of an armies regiments out in plastic, preferably making them dual kits if possible. I wouldn't bet on another Plague Monk or Nightrunner regiment.

It's worth noting that Nightrunners are in the exact same situation as Empire Free Company. They're the Skaven and human warbands from Mordheim, respectively. If they haven't gotten a new box for this long - and Empire Free Company didn't get a new box with their 8th edition box - GW probably just don't want to do a real box for these regiments.