I noticed in one of the screenshots that the "Webtop" version information was unavailable. I assume it's not setup or installed yet? With that said - chances are this ICS version isn't exactly complete as of yet.

so this is what the local verizon store manager had to say about why the company pretty much ignores us. We're in the minority. He personally was a business major and could care less about technology. Most management types he believed were the same - they look at dollars not version numbers. It's all about how many phones get sold, he said. The Nexus, having ICS already, is actually the most returned phone in the store. The least being apple (he didn't like them either) That was what he saw from his position - numbers of returns and sales. And that's the general opinion of higher ups in the company. They don't look at or care about if we have an unlocked bootloader or want to root our phones. For them, that would actually make returns increase - so they have a vested interest in keeping things clamped down. As for ICS, he couldn't say specifically but felt it was due to the numerous issues with the Nexus. He did offer to have the local "data guy" call me - someone who would know a lot more about the technical side of things. This fella was nice, though he didn't even know what a bootloader was. I somewhat feel that verizon is less out to screw me and more out just to save their own asses. In any case, ICS won't be here for a while unless someone rips it off a beta test and posts it. It's happened before.....

so this is what the local verizon store manager had to say about why the company pretty much ignores us. We're in the minority. He personally was a business major and could care less about technology. Most management types he believed were the same - they look at dollars not version numbers. It's all about how many phones get sold, he said. The Nexus, having ICS already, is actually the most returned phone in the store. The least being apple (he didn't like them either) That was what he saw from his position - numbers of returns and sales. And that's the general opinion of higher ups in the company. They don't look at or care about if we have an unlocked bootloader or want to root our phones. For them, that would actually make returns increase - so they have a vested interest in keeping things clamped down. As for ICS, he couldn't say specifically but felt it was due to the numerous issues with the Nexus. He did offer to have the local "data guy" call me - someone who would know a lot more about the technical side of things. This fella was nice, though he didn't even know what a bootloader was. I somewhat feel that verizon is less out to screw me and more out just to save their own asses. In any case, ICS won't be here for a while unless someone rips it off a beta test and posts it. It's happened before.....

Lol, I don't believe any major business has the debates of 'How can we lie to and screw over our customers without any other reasons for our actions." That is just the end result of the decisions they have made. In reality, I believe the appropriate move for them at this point if they do not wish to conform to the promises they made would be to release everyone from their contracts, but that would cost them a fortune.

so this is what the local verizon store manager had to say about why the company pretty much ignores us. We're in the minority. He personally was a business major and could care less about technology. Most management types he believed were the same - they look at dollars not version numbers. It's all about how many phones get sold, he said. The Nexus, having ICS already, is actually the most returned phone in the store. The least being apple (he didn't like them either) That was what he saw from his position - numbers of returns and sales. And that's the general opinion of higher ups in the company. They don't look at or care about if we have an unlocked bootloader or want to root our phones. For them, that would actually make returns increase - so they have a vested interest in keeping things clamped down. As for ICS, he couldn't say specifically but felt it was due to the numerous issues with the Nexus. He did offer to have the local "data guy" call me - someone who would know a lot more about the technical side of things. This fella was nice, though he didn't even know what a bootloader was. I somewhat feel that verizon is less out to screw me and more out just to save their own asses. In any case, ICS won't be here for a while unless someone rips it off a beta test and posts it. It's happened before.....

i have to agree, the fact that he was nice enough to show us this stuff and confirm it's existence should not make him the target of harassment - or even questions. As a whistleblower, he should be praised but you can't expect him to go so far as to release the rom. In all likelyhood, high up moto people already know where this is coming from and he will be lucky to keep his job.

i have to agree, the fact that he was nice enough to show us this stuff and confirm it's existence should not make him the target of harassment - or even questions. As a whistleblower, he should be praised but you can't expect him to go so far as to release the rom. In all likelyhood, high up moto people already know where this is coming from and he will be lucky to keep his job.

Why would you even release it directly? You wouldn't--you'd pass it to someone else to send along. Hopefully something useful comes of it for us all.

so this is what the local verizon store manager had to say about why the company pretty much ignores us. We're in the minority. He personally was a business major and could care less about technology. Most management types he believed were the same - they look at dollars not version numbers. It's all about how many phones get sold, he said. The Nexus, having ICS already, is actually the most returned phone in the store. The least being apple (he didn't like them either) That was what he saw from his position - numbers of returns and sales. And that's the general opinion of higher ups in the company. They don't look at or care about if we have an unlocked bootloader or want to root our phones. For them, that would actually make returns increase - so they have a vested interest in keeping things clamped down. As for ICS, he couldn't say specifically but felt it was due to the numerous issues with the Nexus. He did offer to have the local "data guy" call me - someone who would know a lot more about the technical side of things. This fella was nice, though he didn't even know what a bootloader was. I somewhat feel that verizon is less out to screw me and more out just to save their own asses. In any case, ICS won't be here for a while unless someone rips it off a beta test and posts it. It's happened before.....

No offense dude, but you must be pretty new to the Android scene. This is how it's always been, should come as no surprise. The managers at your local stores don't know or care anything about the devices, and the executives only see them as a means to an end. The carriers sell plans, and cool phones bring in new customers and make existing ones resign. They don't want you to have a bad experience, but their main interest in your device is that it provides reliable radio performance so you can enjoy the network access you pay for.

We're definitely in the minority, you have to realize that most customers like upgrades, but don't care enough to make a fuss. They will, however, be upset if their phone gets less reliable or something doesn't work. So keep in mind what their priorities are, what makes them money, and accept it. Be glad we have awesome devs and get some cool leaks, and be happy. Don't give us a bad name by being an ass to people who have no control over these things, or even any idea what you're talking about.

No offense dude, but you must be pretty new to the Android scene. This is how it's always been, should come as no surprise. The managers at your local stores don't know or care anything about the devices, and the executives only see them as a means to an end. The carriers sell plans, and cool phones bring in new customers and make existing ones resign. They don't want you to have a bad experience, but their main interest in your device is that it provides reliable radio performance so you can enjoy the network access you pay for.

We're definitely in the minority, you have to realize that most customers like upgrades, but don't care enough to make a fuss. They will, however, be upset if their phone gets less reliable or something doesn't work. So keep in mind what their priorities are, what makes them money, and accept it. Be glad we have awesome devs and get some cool leaks, and be happy. Don't give us a bad name by being an ass to people who have no control over these things, or even any idea what you're talking about.

No offense intended, just a heads up! 8)

+1

This is why I am more concerned with the lack of bootloader unlock than ICS being rushed out. That puts only the more knowledgeable users, or those foolish enough to play around with a bootloader without knowing what they are doing at risk. Have their tool throw up a few warning messages about how it voids our warranty, etc, etc to make it clear they aren't going to feel responsible for those of us that like modding.

Many customers don't even like upgrades. Change scares people. Those if us on these boards, thrilled by bleeding edge technological change, are thrilled by it. I know more than a few "normal" Android users that switched to iphone because they said Android got too many updates. They didn't even know what the updates did, but their basic consumer assumption is that if an update is needed, it's evidence of a less than quality product at the start. The consumer sentiment was "another update? Why can't google get it rightthe first time?"

Many customers don't even like upgrades. Change scares people. Those if us on these boards, thrilled by bleeding edge technological change, are thrilled by it. I know more than a few "normal" Android users that switched to iphone because they said Android got too many updates. They didn't even know what the updates did, but their basic consumer assumption is that if an update is needed, it's evidence of a less than quality product at the start. The consumer sentiment was "another update? Why can't google get it rightthe first time?"

I know, i know, facepalm.

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No change doesnt scare any true android user. That's for apple users that are scared of change so they live behind their walled garden at the hanging fruit.