Ethical question

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 09:02 PM

Okay, I am not 100% sure if this is the right place to post this question, but I will try.
Alright, I seem to have a bit of precog ability. This is something of a surprise to me. I have always been empathic. My entire family is all about "feeling" and "discusing feelings" and you could say my mother, brother and sister and I are all empaths, or you could say I just grew up in an enviroment where putting yourself in another's place was normal. Sorry, I digress.

Since I was about 20 I have had these experiences were my head will play a little movie. I always assume that it is my imagination, although some of these "movies' are accompanied by VERY stronge feelings and sometimes I feel they come from someplace other than my head.

The thing is, some of these "movies' come true.

The very first one I took seriuosly and the first one that really showed me that something other than my imagination was at work was an incident with my friend Tracy's car.

We had gone to visit her. (She lives two states away and my other best friend, Natalie, from even father way, was visiting too)

We had gone out to eat and were returning to Tracy's house. There had been a huge snow storm the day before and the roads were icey and slick. My friend lives on a corner lot and usualy parks at the side of her house instead of the front.

As she was pulling up to park it hit me that this was a bad idea and I asked her, "Tracy, do you belive in precognition?"
She said, "maybe, why?"
"I said "humor me and go park behind my car," My car was parked in front.
She did and we went inside.
An hour or so later we were playing a game and we all kept hearing noises but we were sort of ignoring them until Natalie said,
" Um, look out side"
We looked and there in the spot were Tracy usaully parked her car was an older vehicle stuck on the side walk facing the wrong way. They had slid and spun and if Tracy's car had been parked there it would have been badly damaged. This incident took place in I believe October 2003

Okay, sorry this is taking so long.

Here is my question: Since then I have had a few very, very stong "visions" concering bad things happening to people, one involved the loss of an unborn infant and the other the loss of a very close friend's father. I had impressions about these events before they happened.

My Question is, What do I do when I have a feeling or "vision" about death? Do I tell a perfect stranger, "Um your baby is not going to make it" or my friend, "Um, don't count on your Dad being around past next year" (not that I would EVER be that tacky or blunt about it)

Or is it better to do as I did, say nothing and let things take their course?

I have not had a strong "vision" in a long while and the most recent one was something sort of silly involving a toy.

I have always been bothered by the idea that I was given these "visions" for a reason and that I was suposed to do something about them and I didn't.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 09:59 PM

Hi.
I don't know anything about your abilities, but that's neither here nor there. When it concerns death, the real question is, is knowing going to make things better or worse? In my estimation, it would make it worse. It simply causes worry. Further, if you're wrong, you could seriously damage your relationships with the people involved. Even if you're right, that relationship will never be the same, and I doubt the difference will be an improvement.

In short, I'd say keep it to yourself. People have dealt with death for centuries without knowing about it beforehand, and they'll continue to do so. It's a part of our coping mechanism. They'll be alright. If you want, simply use this information to prepare yourself to be available to them as a friend. Although, you may want to avoid, even in the course of comforting (or at any time after) mentioning that you had these visions -- sometimes, people think they want to know something and are angry for being left in the dark... they themselves don't realize it's better that way.

The little movies or daydreams you get is clairvoyancy. I have had those before that have shown something that happened about 30s after and have also had one precognitive dream which is clairvoyancy again. I have been having psychic developement classes and now realise that those little daydreams I had was clairvoyancy. I am able to do readings by seeing little pictures in my mind and I can see these with my eyes open likek I do with the movies. The moving pictures are usually very quick and bright. The problem I have with the still pictures and readings is that I am only just learning to use this and I can only blurt out the picture I see. I dont quite know how to show its relevance.

We are taught in class that there is ethics with developing these insights and that it is not ethical to disclose anything that could be of an upsetting or disturbing nature.

I absolutely agree with Randy. It is the same in a case where, for instance, you saw your best friend's husband out with another woman. Do you tell or don't you? In my opinion, it is not always the best thing to tell your friend because, most likely they won't believe you anyway, and it will definitely damage your friendship. When you have bad news to share, most people won't listen. And if this "bad news" comes in the form of "a feeling" instead of concrete evidence, it gets even more difficult. As Randy said, use the information to help prepare yourself for whatever is about to come because most cases, you cannot prevent what it about to occur. If you can, such in the case of your friends car, then do so, but in other cases, keep the info to yourself. If it is good news and good visions that you see, then people are most likely going to accept that better and you can share that as well.

Bluemooncat, your story reminds me of a man--I'll call him Bob--who once worked with me. As a teenager, he discovered he had cognitive powers in which he could see the past, present and future in much the same way as you do. He described it as like standing on a bridge and looking down in the water. He could see things much like the "movies" you described in the flowing water beneath him. If he concentrated on a thought, he claimed he could see images relating to his questions.

Like many people, Bob (a devout Roman Catholic) confided in his parish priest. The priest said it was a gift from God . . . or it could be the Devil's work. Needless to say, Bob was even more confused at that point, but as the years went by, he learned that he could use his cognitive abilities for good. He also liked to use them to entertain people when the mood struck.

We'd hide a small object in another room and then ask Bob to find it. If he couldn't find the exact spot somehing was located, he could come within a few feet of it. One time a co-worker said he was going hide his lighter in the next room. A few minutes later, the man returned and told Bob to find it.

Bob looked him right square in the eye and, "You didn't hide it. It's in your right front pocket." The guy just grinned and pulled the lighter out of his pocket.

Once Bob felt comfortable about discussing his abilities, he admitted that he faced the same problems other cognitive people did: should he warn people if he sensed something bad is going to happen to them? History answered his question immediately. In less enlightened times, people who accurately predicted future tragedies were often condemned as witches, wizards and warlocks. Even in this day and age, if Bob were to tell someone that a loved one of theirs was going to die, and it really did happen, the person's first reaction would be to blame Bob!

I know, that's a case of "killing the messenger," but it's human nature. As such, Bob learned over the years to let the natural order of things take place. If there was a way he could avert a tragedy, he'd do it in a subtle way rather than telling someone they were in imminent danger.

"Be sure to wear your seatbelt; don't smoke; get check regular checkups." He'd say things like that all the time, but those are the same things you'd hear from anyone else.

Except when Bob said them, I listened

Edited by earth_spirit, 05 March 2007 - 11:38 PM.

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I totally get your question and it would bother me too.. I mean while I do believe that there are somethings we are not meant to know.. like the hour or how we are going to die.. but at the same time if you view your abilities as a gift of creation-energy or God (whichever belief you chose) then its just that a gift and I would have problems not using it... I would think about why I'd be given the gift.

I agree with the comments made but personally, I think I would always have that dilemna. sorry no help here.. just a serious of questions and possibilities.. My only advise would be to focus on your own core beliefs about your gifts and abilities and what they mean - why you would/should have them - what their purpose is and how you fit in to this realm of spirit communication.. maybe that will give you some inner answers to how you should proceed???

sorry if I'm no help.

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When we work with spirit guides, we design our mediumship. We tell them what we would rather know or not and they design the information that will come. With this in mind, you can do a lot of messaging without any such upsets.

Ethics says do no harm. In which case, the information needs to be weighed and measured before sharing.

I echo the sentiments of the others. Don't say anything unless there's a way to change the situation. Be tactful, just in case one of your movies is just a day dream. Give vague hints about how to avoid any bad events you witness - tell them an alternate route, or ask when they last saw a doctor - things that would still be good advice. An example is when you had your friend park their car in a different spot.

As for strangers, think how you would like someone you don't know to deliver that message - tact is even more important than with friends. If you sense someone's unborn child is going to die, ask how far along they are, then follow up with general questions about doctor visits (oh, two months along, has the doctor picked up a heart beat yet?). Always direct them to a recognized authority to actually tell the news (if anyone, they'll blame the doctor / mechanic / etc instead of you).

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 05:35 PM

As a mum and one that has suffered a fw miscarriages I can honestly say that if someone told me that my child wasnt going to make it I would probably freak out and would definately be thinking some very negative thoughts towards the one that told me. As a rule of thumb i guess you have to put your self in the situation of that person and ask your self would I want to know? I think back to my Aunty many years ago when she was told her youngest son would die in a car accident and he did... on the way to the hospital his heart stopped twice,He clearly remembers floating above his body in the ambulance and could see his mum crying, but he is still alive and well today, sometimes what you may see may not be the whole picture.

Well, if I were you. I would keep them 100% to myself. Telling people will not help them, you can not change the future. Whatever is destined to happen will. If you speak about it it was supposed to happen, if you keet it a secret it was supposed to happen (and these are my beliefs, dont believe them? so be it.)

just thought id throw in my 2 cents.

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As a mum and one that has suffered a fw miscarriages I can honestly say that if someone told me that my child wasnt going to make it I would probably freak out and would definately be thinking some very negative thoughts towards the one that told me. As a rule of thumb i guess you have to put your self in the situation of that person and ask your self would I want to know? I think back to my Aunty many years ago when she was told her youngest son would die in a car accident and he did... on the way to the hospital his heart stopped twice,He clearly remembers floating above his body in the ambulance and could see his mum crying, but he is still alive and well today, sometimes what you may see may not be the whole picture.

In the freaking out, you could create a self-fulfilling prophecy. During pregnancy it is important to keep yourself healthy and upsets of that nature does not fit the bill.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 12:04 PM

~Oh you are SO not alone when it comes to the ability you speak of. I myslef, seem to have this ability...and I have seen this crap come true when it comes to the reference of my Grandma. She & I were sitting at her kitchen table one day and she held my hands ( she always did) on top of the table. I looked at her hands & immediately saw how they were going to be placed in the coffin on her. I got that image out of my head as soon as possible. A short time later, she passed away. I see the same thing when I looked at my Dads hands...but he & I no longer talk so it is what it is. I can drive down town here in my town & see things that you'd normally see in an Arnold Schnagger film...total destruction. I know it sounds insane...but these and other things "POP" into my head. I wish I'd known then what I know now though...I wouldn't have told my Grandma what I saw, but I definately would've spent more time with her & reminded her just how much I loved her. You can't change the inevitable...but you CAN make it an easy transition. Keep us posted on how you're doing, sweety. Thank you for sharing.

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I know what all of you mean. The earliest memory of when I knew my precog talent had started showing itself was when I was 10 or 11. My mom and I were at the hospital with my stepdad because one of his aunts was there. At some point, when he was with her and my mom and I were alone, I leaned close to my mom and told her my stepdad's aunt wasn't going to make it. It didn't show up in a vision or anything, I just knew. Not long after this, the aunt did die. It was the first time for anything of that nature to happen to me. I didn't freak out about it, I just accepted it. My mom thinks it's just one of my quirks-that I'll say random things sometimes and they'll come true. I don't think she believes I'm a sensitive or have this precog ability because every time I try to tell her about it, she laughs it off.

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Interests:I love to do yard work, re-arrange my home constantly, draw and get tattoos that have significant meaning to me, garage sales/yard sales fanatic. My home is haunted by I believe 2 spirits, so I'm never alone when everyone is asleep! I'm trying to label the gifts I have, although I try to keep them a secret from my husband..he wouldn't understand. My 20 year old is now living on his own and does so great! My 6 year old is a little me, and the baby will be 5 December. He's about 8-12 months behind, but that smile...that beautiful smile.

Posted 08 March 2007 - 07:32 PM

~Yeah...my husband laughs mine off as well. He's just not into that sort of stuff...unless...maybe I strapped a football to the end of my statement! LOL!!! This is the only place I've found that I can openly talk about things like this & know I fit right in...gotta love it!!

~Women are angels...and when someone breaks our wings, we simply continue to fly...on a broomstick. We're flexible like that.~

Yeah, I remember once many years ago I was on a local BBS when there still were such things, and some guy was going on about how it showed his religion was the true one that a little girl in his family had said something like how she KNEW her sick baby cousin in the hospital would recover because Jesus told her so( couldn't follow his reasoning regardless, but anyway, that's what he said)...and I immediately responded ( though I stopped myself and didn't send it, thankfully), "But how will she feel when the kid dies, because it WILL!!". I was right, two days later the "In Sympathy" post was made. I mean, it wasn't like I just was sarcastically responding to the illogic in his argument, I just, as soon as I heard the words, just...knew...that whoever this unknown child was, was going to die, and that this other little girl would be horribly and painfully disappointed in her faith.

On a lighter note, I knew in much the same way that the rain last night and this morning would be much heavier than the news predicted...although I always think of my weather forecasting as less paranormal than other kinds of precognition---it's more a matter of listening to what my body has to tell me, since it doubtless knows many things that modern science has forgotten.

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