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The Poverty of Experience … Psychopaths and Perception

You as a psychopath have to learn the emotions, that too cognitively. But you cannot generate or experience the feeling of the other person. That is the fullness of life. To experience, to feel – the rain, the clouds, the memories of childhood, your dog’s hug. They are feelings that were stored as memories to be retrieved as a memory of feelings. Not as memory of meaningless data. That is the foundation of the frustation of being a psychopath. That in spite of all the wealth you accumulated, your life means nothing much to yourself, let alone to others. But if a psychopath tries to lead a truthful life, he may start to feel, to experience a sense of meaning. Unfortunately for himself, a psychopath will persist in leading a life of deceit, continuing a meaningless existence, valuing things considered worthless and repulsive by normal people – an ability for trickery.

I am just trying to explain why we classify it as pathology. Not as a condemnation of psychopaths. one cannot condemn the diseased. What is needed is to elevate the psyche from its poverty of experience.

Is the commenter correct? Are we truly missing out on the richness of life? Does the “data” we see rather than human beings lead to our antisocial ways? Is our experience truly impoverished?

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All have deficits and surplus and all yearn for something in this life that they cannot have. Yes, nothing may satisfy to the psychopath, but is that in and of itself impoverishment? Would we say that the color-blind lives an impoverished life because they cannot perceive certain colors? I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement, but I think that there must be more behind the curtain.

“Would we say that the color-blind lives an impoverished life because they cannot perceive certain colors?”

Brilliant analysis/distinction.

If the lack of color were to result in the experience of a grey featureless life of unremitting anhedonia – leading to impulsive potentially hazardous behaviors in an attempt to break that dull featureless landscape, and an inability to form bonds with other human beings – then it may well be impoverished.

Not the correct picture at all. Everything that you learn is cognitive-everything. Being fully detached, you are not invested emotionally and when you are invested less, they call it manipulation, because if someone knew you never really invest, then they would not. On the other hand, people lie to themselves, to others and backstab and do all others. They just use reasons to do with empathy that a normal person understands. If you don’t use the language of empathy on earthx well, you are sunk. You fit into this world or move to another one.
Keep pushing conformity, and your petty hatreds of certain people. The law exists to precent ridiculously destructive ideas led by thoughts like yours, but apparently, objective evidence as a fundamental of justice is being eroded thanks to studies in psychopathy as pushed by psychology and the media.
Maybe if the proper laws were effected(they are not), most of these problems would solve themselves. You can not run an entire country based on 0.4-4% of the population, especially not when the data was exclusively based on incarcerated criminals.
We keep bringing this up, but don’t let stupidity of the studies in psychopathy stop you. We have millenials today, and you think psychopaths are the problem? I am not so sure.

I might be more inclined to believe you if you could show me a psychopath incapable of committing crimes.

As for running a country based on less than 4% of the population… Have you taken a look at France or the US lately? Both are run based on what globalist elites want, not what the vast majority want.

Also, just because a law exists that prevents the expression of a “ridiculous idea” doesn’t mean that it’s an ethical or just law. It just means someone decided once upon a time that it wasn’t allowed in that country.

I might also be inclined to believe you if anything a psychopath can do, an NT can not manipulate themselves into doing. France is being run into the ground, as is most of Europe, because anyone who might have systematically resisted globalists has been removed from the grassroots level. How? Specifically through studies in psychopathy.
The study in psychopathy might be an effort to remove those who systematically resist collective efforts of groups so people would be easier to control.
There has not been a reduction in crime, or better policing methods, but there has been more centralized and effective control of people since the efforts to remove or ostracize those who would instinctively resist efforts at socialization, ie, the psychopath and the sociopath. Precisely why certification as a psychopath is the death knell of a normal life

Control by political groups amd local government, seems to be the reason for study of psychopaths, not because those who study them wish to help humanity at all. Of course, I might be mistaken. One should err on the side of caution in these interesting times.

Well, see, my reply was in regards to your ridiculous claim that a country can’t be run for the benefit of 4% of the population, but if you really want to go down this road of “what are the reasons behind the collapse of trust in government and the accompanying rise in crime rates in European countries”…

1. People who oppose globalist elites have not been removed on a grassroots level in France or any other country. I am a member of one such grassroots-style opposition group in the country I live in.

2. Not once have I seen a single article in said country’s news media calling anybody that opposes globalism a psychopath.

3. I do see plenty of articles calling out Macron or Merkel or Trump as psychopaths, but they also have a tendency to call Macron a communist or Trump a Nazi, neither of which is remotely close to true.

4. Attempts to systematically control people based on labeling them as something “evil” have historically failed rather spectacularly in Europe, whether it was the Nazis or the Soviets or any number of other similar styles of government.

5. You’re right… there hasn’t been a reduction in crime in countries like France, Germany, Sweden, or the UK. However, we could look at Estonia, Finland, Norway, or Hungary and find a steadily-declining crime rate. The primary difference between these two groups is not because one is labeling every dissident as a psychopath, but instead because one group is importing millions of Muslims while the other is not.

6. There is perhaps more resistance to oppressive governments in Eastern Europe than anywhere in the world (Finland does count here too) due entirely to the fact that these countries struggled for freedom from oppression for decades against the Soviet Union and haven’t forgotten what it took.

7. Again, this has nothing to do with socialization. Moreover, socialization is something that virtually all people go through, including psychopaths (primary groups that don’t are people with far too many chromosomes and extremely autistic people).

8. It is commonly brought up that the standards for psychopathy designations according to the PCL-R are different in Europe than in the US. This is true, but it’s also important to keep in mind that there are far less criminals per capita in Europe, even with the migrants, so these numbers are adjusted to suit that. Assuming, of course, that the country in question even uses the PCL-R for this, as many don’t.

9. The reality is, most psychopaths are not like Jessica, or even like me. They are primarily low intelligence people who get caught not because they are psychopaths, but because they are idiots. According to Kent Kiehl, only about 22% of psychopaths are not in prison in the US – but keep in mind that the US has a much higher rate of psychopathy than most countries in Europe (even with those lowered standards of designation).

10. The only reason that a psychopathy designation would really have any negative impact on your life is if it is part of a criminal trial.

11. The vast majority of those psychopaths who are not in prison are either intelligent enough to not get caught in whatever crimes we do inevitably commit, or those that haven’t committed a crime yet. While Jessica did say at one point she was less prone to psychopathic tendencies these days, that’s more likely due to being relatively low on the psychopathy spectrum – this certainly hasn’t happened to me yet, and while I’m a few years younger than she is, I’m also somewhat higher on the psychopathy spectrum than she is as well.

12. I highly doubt that any psychopath can have or would even want to have a “normal life”. I do find it somewhat amusing that you think it would work though.

PS: Some clarification things. I’m in Estonia currently. I’m also a collectivist, yes, but not a leftist – think more along the lines of National-Socialism and you’re on the right track.

What you say is interesting. Being a collectivist is interesting too. It is possible to have the facts correct and have the wrong overall big picture, or even a viewpoint that doesn’t allow one to see things in certain ways.

Any time you push a premise whereby any particular people are to be considered potential criminals based on how they are, you are pushing some form of social ostracization, that will, one day, lead to people losing their rights and even their lives based on non-objective evidence. Ie, what you can conclusively say the person did that can be proven.
A real psychopath would not care to be diagnosed. Environmental awareness is usually part of the package.
Why would you give away tools that you have been forced to build just to survive, to satisfy some ridiculous nonsense about fairness that obviously doesn’t exist, and trust that they will not be used to disarm you eventually? Yeah, right.
I appreciate the info you gave, but the point still stands. People do not do a good job of thinking, or looking. You should not give them criteria for judging people-it will be misused.
The study of psychopathy, and other dark triad characteristics, is an interesting study on social manipulation of what is called “the masses”. I watch this experiment with a lot of interest, to see how it all turns out.

1. You assume that people have rights without having to fight for those rights, which leads you to assume that people will passively give up all their rights.

2. Nobody is saying that psychopaths are thrown in prison without evidence. What is being said is that IF you are a psychopath, and IF that comes out via evaluation by a forensic psychologist at trial, then you MIGHT be given a longer sentence IF you did the crime. In most countries, it’s not a factor for sentencing if you’re a psychopath or not, and in some, it’s a crime to use it as evidence of guilt.

3. You talk about what “a real psychopath” would want, yet you seem to ignore the reality that we’re not all the same person. The thing is, I didn’t care one way or the other about getting diagnosed, other than I didn’t want to go waste time talking to a shrink – it was tied to me getting my apartment at the time paid for by my parents, so I went and did it. Moreover, it doesn’t affect me at all because the Estonian government doesn’t have the ability to view American medical records, especially when you do it off of insurance.

4. I don’t really get where you think I’m saying fairness is a thing that exists. I notice you completely ignored the entire part about how I’m a National-Socialist, and you likely think that because I said “collectivist”, that I mean Marxist/Communist. Fairness is a doctrine espoused by democracies and communists, not by meritocracies.

5. As far as I can determine, your “point that still stands” is that you have no idea that there are differences between individuals, and that you don’t understand that I am not the same as Jessica despite us both being psychopaths.

6. I’m still interested to know how you think the entirety of those who oppose globalism have been removed from any struggle against it by the claim of psychopathy from that government. Last I checked, your example country of France has weekly riots of a hundred thousand people in Paris that oppose the government. Not once in the past several months have I seen any news, even from French media, of any of the Yellow Vests being called psychopaths and removed from the events.

7. Your entire argument reeks of a desire to deny human nature – you can’t separate people from their willingness to judge the otherness of another person or group. Communism tried and failed to do just that.

8. By the way, I think you’ll find that many historical figures are psychopaths, even in collectivist societies. Most obvious in my mind would be Reinhard Heydrich in National-Socialist Germany, who was the architect of the unfortunately-failed plan to exterminate the non-Whites in Europe. Other examples involve men like Georgy Zhukov, the Soviet general with the famous quote about his men marching through a field of landmines because it makes no difference to him whether or not a few thousand conscripts get blown up.

I have very little trust in other people, in reality. I’m in a leadership position precisely because everyone else is afraid to take a public stance on anything – it’s all just blogging and podcasting. It’s because I don’t trust that others can do anything of substance that I do the things I do.