Never thought I'd consider going totally clean and staying that way, but I'm feeling like I look good enough to become natty and possibly compete for a Mr. Getbig crown??? Last pic for the white boi haturs.

Yeah... I just found some old physical pics of me the days after my last show... I'll need to find a scanner to put them up. This is the only one I have on this comp... I think I'm in the low 170's here. And the undies pics in the 180's, but after my pec and quad tear so it was hard to train with intensity.

I think I'm going for the white undies level of leanness this summer. Not diced, not dying of deprivation but lean enough to be in single digits (or close). Although I don't remember what I was on at that time, I do know it was moderately low doses as my heavier dose days were behind me.

I feel pretty good, all things considered. My training has evolved over the years (whether on or off) to a safer, lighter style but shorter rest periods and more time under tension. I used to incline press 160's for reps, leg press up to 30 plates and curl 60's (I know that's not terribly strong)... close grip 315 for lots of reps, etc.

I tore my pec benching heavy (steroid related as I was repping for 6, muscle tore from tendon) and tore my quad leg pressing (tore at the hip). After recovery, I began training much differently.

So to answer the question, I'm probably 10% weaker all around than when I was last on AAS. I'm definitely thinner and smaller. I was around 215 last summer. 195 now. But I'm holding strength pretty well and hit the gym most everyday.

you rearden how big of a difference do you think the AAS made on your body fat?

you think it was soley AAS or where you eating better while on?

It's hard to quantify. I eat a LOT less now than I did then. In the 195 pic on AAS I was eating 5-6 times a day, large protein filled meals and lots of carbs around training time. Probably 3500 cals/day.

Now, I eat 3-4 times a day. Sometimes a meal is a piece of fruit and a granola bar. Just now I had a stuffed quahog as a meal. I eat only about 2000 cals/day now, sometimes a bit more or less. I'm 195 in the pics at the beginning.

I know my metabolism has changed. Back in the day if I went off AAS I was around 180-185 and soft within 3-4 months. Now, I'm able to hold 200 easily without even eating much, and training moderately hard.

As far as fat loss, I think the AAS helped me stay muscular while I was dieting, but it could have just been my metabolism was faster while I was in my mid 20's.

It's hard to quantify. I eat a LOT less now than I did then. In the 195 pic on AAS I was eating 5-6 times a day, large protein filled meals and lots of carbs around training time. Probably 3500 cals/day.

Now, I eat 3-4 times a day. Sometimes a meal is a piece of fruit and a granola bar. Just now I had a stuffed quahog as a meal. I eat only about 2000 cals/day now, sometimes a bit more or less. I'm 195 in the pics at the beginning.

I know my metabolism has changed. Back in the day if I went off AAS I was around 180-185 and soft within 3-4 months. Now, I'm able to hold 200 easily without even eating much, and training moderately hard.

As far as fat loss, I think the AAS helped me stay muscular while I was dieting, but it could have just been my metabolism was faster while I was in my mid 20's.

interesting...do you think that when you came off back in the day and where soft in 3 or 4 months it had more to do with your eating or the lack of aas?

In my first few years of using AAS (early to mid 20's), I stayed on for 5-6 months, sometimes longer, and came off for 3-4 months, sometimes shorter.

I made gains every year. My first cycle I went from 140-180, then down to 165 after. Then up to 190, then down to 170. Then I pushed up to 200, held it for a year, came off and dropped to 180. After that, I competed. I competed at 161-171 lbs.

After competing, I blew up to 210-215 in good condition. I have no pics of this time but it was the best (BB wise) I ever looked. Shortly after, I tore my pec. A year later, my quad.

In the years since, I've been off as much as on. In the last 3 years I've been clean twice as much as on. I'm sure the years of training and eating while on and off helped build a base that doesn't need AAS to maintain. I've always trained whether on or off.

To answer your question, I believe that when I came off AAS, I'd notice a drop in strength and size. I'd try to eat more to compensate. I'd invariably overeat to try to stay "big" and would end up soft. Even so, I'd drop into the low 180's (which at my height is not "small", but feels like it to me), so the actual drop in muscle was 20-30 lbs, which is significant.

I think I probably only dropped 10-15 lbs of muscle this time while off. And that's over an extended period, eating maybe 100-130g protein/day and taking absolutely zero supplements, not even protein powder.

I either have muscle maturity, metabolism or some miraculously stable hormones to credit for this. It's a mystery to me, actually.

Ha, it's appreciated bro... It's just hard for me to care enough to get in that kind of shape again. That's why I competed in the first place, because if I hadn't I'd never have cared enough to stick with it.

I know competing is out for me now. I don't have the time or resources to do it even IF I wanted to give up my social life to do so. Nah, I like drinking on the weekends, eating pizza etc... I just want a kick ass beach body LOL.

When I was on AAS I'd eat 30-40g protein at least w each meal. Often, I'd eat a 1lb steak or a giant amount of sushi that doubled that amount. But mostly I'd eat 200-300g a day when weighing around 200lbs.

Last year when I got up to 215 (admittedly not terribly lean... let me find some pics...) I'd just make sure I ate a lot. A normal day was like this:

Now that I'm clean, I eat much less and don't use supplements, as I can't metabolize protein like I was then. So the post I put up this morning is a typical day, although I don't usually eat bread and it's more likely to be leftovers from dinner for lunch.

So, at my biggest, 200-300g a day. Now, maybe 120-150g on most days, although on occasion I'll mow 200g.

I should point out, though, that the biggest gains I ever made were between the two years I competed, and I ate a diet extremely carb dense. I used to take a whole pizza, take the cheese off and eat it. I used to eat whole boxes of cereal in a sitting. Here's what a day looked like then.