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Muscle Sliver Discussion

1 month ago

As I mentioned on your thread, and as alias42 mentioned above, this deck does not meet the requirements for Standard, for which you currently have it labeled. Upon closer inspection, it does not seem to be Modern-legal either, though you can probably make it Modern-legal with a few changes. Specificall, Heart Sliver and Shifting Sliver are not Modern-legal. There might be others, but those are the two that immediately jump out at me.

Some general deckbuilding advise that will apply to all formats:

Lands that enter the battlefield tapped are bad, as they put you a turn behind. Transguild Promenade in particular is awful--not only do you not gain an extra land on the turn you play it, it additionally puts you behind a land.

Slivers are a hyper-aggressive tribe, and you want to maximize this. Focus on slivers with low mana costs and effects that stack, and run four copies of those, then run 2-3 copies of slivers whose abilities do not stack. For example, Predatory Sliver, Sinew Sliver, and Muscle Sliver (not Modern-legal) each give your creatures +1/+1, for the low cost of 2 mana. I'd probably run a full set of 12, (or 8 if you are moving to Modern).

Heart Sliver and Crystalline Sliver (neither are modern-legal) are fantastic, but multiple instances of Haste or Shroud do nothing for you. These are both cards you want to draw exactly one copy of, so running 3 of either should be fine. The one exception to this rule would be Galerider Sliver (which is a strict upgrade to the Winged Sliver you are currently running, and is Modern-legal). Because this costs one mana, you want to maximize your chances of having this in your opening hand, so you at least have something productive to do on turn 1. I'd run four copies.

Personally, I don't think any of the five-mana slivers are worth it in a 60-card constructed deck. You generally have better things to do with your time and mana.

Once you've figured out your format, I can try to give a bit more specific advice on what slivers to run.

9 months ago

To make your deck as competitive as possible, I recommend cutting every sliver with a converted mana cost greater than 2. Slivers aim to hit the ground running and pump out as many creatures as possible. To that end, every single draw must be playable immediately--you cannot afford to draw a five mana sliver with only two lands in play.

To that end, you should run 4 copies of Muscle Sliver, Predatory Sliver, and Sinew Sliver. Sidewinder Sliver is another great four-of, as Flanking stacks. With two in play, anything blocking your slivers will suffer -2/-2 before damage is dealt. Galerider Sliver is another solid one drop. Even thought multiple copies of flying are redundant with one another, you want to maximize your chance of dropping a Galerider on turn one.

9 months ago

Glad to see your a fan of the wonderous hive also k_drake. I also happen to have a Sliver Overlord deck of my own, although mine is still a lot cheaper. Keep in mind however that LVL_666 has also chosen to bling out this deck nearly entirely, and thus the price you see on here is much more than what it would could actually be with a non-foil, non-masterpiece/expedition version of the decklist.

You can then make use out of the signets, Golgari Signet, Izzet Signet, etc) and perhaps use most of the combinations (prioritize the ones that have green). Anyways I know I have told you a Lot of information to read and consider, and so let me give you a good visual of what a starting point could look like:

This deck by the Professor I do recommend you consider as a base, and from there start as I have done, which was slowly acquire all the slivers (and imo minus the queen, and legion at least at first), I actually was quite fortunate to receive most of the slivers needed for my list from a friend who had their very own Sliver Overlord deck and he sold/traded me eventually most of it as he was getting out of commander. I picked up stuff like Gemhide Sliver, Manaweft Sliver, Necrotic Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Heart Sliver, Galerider Sliver and Crystalline Sliver if I recall first by cash and standard trades.

I got my Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion from the same friend who took apart his sliver list (it's unfortunate he sold it's entire manabase and then just kept the slivers before I even met him at my lgs though), after I had all the rest of the creatures and up until that point I focused more on an aggro/voltron strategy. I bought him some very pricey modern staples (2x Chalice of the Void before there reprint and traded an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger for these 2 slivers and to nearly finish a whole deck to play for modern :)

You can then later like i'm soon about to do myself soon I think, start to buy things like a Mana Crypt, Mana Drain, Demonic Tutor, Wheel of Fortune, etc to make the deck more competitive.To give you an idea where i'm at, here's my decklist (I'm missing 16 cards in all from it) also that's cheaper than what you see here:

I am going to second Paradox Engine--it's just that good with Sliver Overlord and Gemhide Sliver. Once you have 5 Slivers in play, you can fetch and cast every Sliver in your deck in the same turn (fetching Heart Sliver first). You should really consider Manaweft Sliver to increase your chances of hitting this combo. As unfortunate as the new Sliver designs may be, this card is too strong to pass up.

The only 3 mana sliver I would consider is Harmonic Sliver, and only run that if you need artifact or enchantment hate.

For your lands, focus on cards that produce all 5 colours: City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Cavern of Souls (budget permitting/if your group allows proxies), Unclaimed Territory. Don't worry about City of Brass/Mana Confluence's damage--your goal is to flood the board with death long before your opponent can whittle you down.

Also, Aether Vial is obscenely good with slivers--probably a bit too expensive for casual play, unless your group allows proxies.

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