A new automatic update for Champions Online rolled out this morning,
reports
Massively. The update did not go as smoothly as hoped, and they outline
problems getting things running properly again, and the extensive list of
changes the patch includes.

And um.. taking CoH style powers and combat, cutting out half of them, reducing all combat to either melee or ranged blasting with combat being 'toggle endurance builder power - click endurance user power - toggle end builder - click end using power.... ad nausium. That ISN'T dumbed down?

Couldn't you macro-toggle powers in CoH? Like Hasten and what-not? Plus you could put your next attack on the queue.

It's not that dumbed down compared to CoH unless you're spamming the same-flippin-attack constantly.

The main dumbed down elements are:

No clear cut Defender / Controller builds. Defenders can be done easily, Controllers with more difficulty

Teaming is less prevalent. No Task Forces, though some things close to trials

People think block and charge are lame, I think they're fine.

I recall my Defender's solo routine being.

1 Fire CC2 Fire Debuff3 Fire AoE4 Attack w/ various powers5 If out of endurance, either rest or take a potion6 If Mob not dead yet, GOTO 1

In Champions1 Fire CC (if I have one)2 Fire AoE or Debuff (though DeBuff is more rare)3 Attack w/ various powers4 Block as needed5 If I'm low on Endurance: either block or spam energy builder6 If Mob not dead yet, GOTO 1

Honestly, I don't use my energy building attack much anymore, I rely on my blocking shield more-so as one solid block against a strong attack gives me insane endurance.

My Ice toon chooses 4 or 5 different types depending on scenario. Plus it has some decent CC. It's pretty close to my old Defender builds with all of its CC, AoE, self-buffs, and Healing Bots.

My Dark toon pretty much spams 1 or 2 attacks since one of them is very OP. Honestly, it's hard for me to drop that habit since it's an insane AoE.

My Force spams maybe 3 different attacks. It has CC but I only use it agains Villains or higher. I'll be branching out more as I'm now branching out to Electricity for more powers.

This comment was edited on Oct 1, 2009, 16:34.

"Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you." -Fry, Futurama

And um.. taking CoH style powers and combat, cutting out half of them, reducing all combat to either melee or ranged blasting with combat being 'toggle endurance builder power - click endurance user power - toggle end builder - click end using power.... ad nausium. That ISN'T dumbed down?

You really believe Champions Online is a dumb'd down copy of City of Heroes? Have you ever played either game?

If you've played CoH in the last 4 years you'd know that CO is a massively dumbed down version of CoH with better graphics but worse mechanics.

That was my biggest complaint in beta. They used CoH as a base, added stuff that CoH players had wanted for years (tintable powers, more travel powers you get earlier, more wilderness zones,) but forgot what makes CoH a solid game in the first place.

Its almost as if their initial design decision was 'Lets take CoH and make it what players always wanted it to be. Oh and lets make it a WoW-clone themepark.' and had zero other design goals beyond that and in ended up with a dumbed down version of CoH with much more boring mechanics but better graphics. Oh and travel powers at level 5. The ability to tint your power colors (though CoX I16 does it FAR better,) and more outdoor zones.

I've played both and it really is CoH just a lot more "arcade-like" and some more character customization. If you've played CoH there is nothing really compelling here unless you are a die-hard fan of superhero games and have to play the newest thing in that genre. Heck it doesn't even let you play a villain which was the best part of CoH/CoV, imho.

lol Guys, I hope everything turns out well for the people in this game. I hope they support it well and the people that spent money get their money's worth. If Roper and the crew don't keep this game up for along time, I believe their careers are over for sure. Hell, I said that after hellgate. lol