Ryan: Gun owners should fear an Obama re-election

Source: CBS News

COLUMBUS, Ohio Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan courted the votes of hunters on Saturday in a speech to a sportsmen's group, suggesting that President Obama would seek to strip gun owners of their rights by appointing judges hostile to a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment.

"I shudder as a gun owner ... what would he do if he never has to face the voters ever again?" Ryan asked aloud during a speech to the National U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance's 16th Annual Save Our Heritage Banquet here.

"The next president is going to pick a lot of judges. The next president will appoint a lot of different judges and these are lifetime appointments. If you want to make sure that judges respect our Second Amendment rights, you need a president who respects those rights as well," he said.

Ryan likened gun ownership to religious liberty, suggesting that the federal government had intruded on people's First Amendment rights as well. He also stressed the importance of appointing people to government agencies who will "respect the rights of hunting and fishing," and said that the widely criticized Fast and Furious gunwalking operation "would never occur under a Romney-Ryan administration."

3. What a loathsome

4. This lying shit will fly too

around here. Out of all the biggest issues our country is facing gun ownership and the fear that a Democratic President is going to ban ownership of guns is the biggest concern I hear about most where I live. It is sickening how this fear resonates with the people around here.

6. when do you live? That isn't the case everywhere.

8. Greensboro, N.C.

Also I have family that live up in the mountains in Virgina as well and this kind of mentality is spread rich and thick all through out the area up there as well. It is sad to see people will vote for Rmoney out of this made up fear but never see or understand that by voting for that moron they are shooting themselves in the foot since most of these people I know are on social security disability and food stamps.

27. I've got to say you're pretty much right from what I see

And I'm speaking as a pro-gun type. I never before saw so many people who used to put other issues before the gun issue suddenly become paranoid gun nuts since president Obama even ran for office. I've seen it with quite a few in my union workplace. Another way I can tell they're full of shit is that they can't debate issues for shit beyond their low-information paraphrasing of sound bites, and when you one by one knock them down on their totally misinformed arguments, it seems, almost without fail, they try to appeal to me...use their trump card...with the gun issue.

I am having 2 good and long time friendships very much strained over politics now. When I was still a republican, 2 of my friends supported Clinton twice even though he was an avowed anti-gun president. Though they didn't like his position, they still voted for him over Bush and Dole because they cared more about economic/labor issues more. Now that they're both fairly comfortably retired, they've become wingnuts. One way asshats they are.

14. Obama did nothing to against guns for four years

it may be his last term coming up but, can't say same for the dems in congress, they can stay forever and won't go near that issue.
Ryan is so desperate and has nothing but scare tactics. Obama has bigger fish to fry than Ryans fish stories. If Lying Ryan was a fish, he would be a sardine.

12. Let's see... What's he actually did

I think he made it possible to carry concealed guns into national parks - something every president since Reagan has vetoed, and when asked about people carrying guns at protests outside of places he's speaking, the White House replied ala, "If they're following their state and local gun laws, Obama is fine with it."

15. Check Smith and Wesson stock up 400% nt

17. Second that. A friend works part-time in a gun shop in Central California. . .

he tells me sales have been driven the past four years by irrational fears and paranoia. Even in Obama's first year, the driving concern was "Oh, yeah, he and Biden haven't done anything yet, but they will -- it's only a matter of time." And well before Ryan started lying' the gun shop customers were floating this same fear -- "Yeah, once he's free of reelection fears Obama will start to take our guns."

My friend agrees it's irrational, indeed it's downright crazy, but he's employed and it keeps the ammo manufacturers working overtime, so he sees upsides even in the absurd.

20. No, the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation happened under a Bush-Cheney administration

So let me see here...to get guns Banned By The Courts Obama would have to...

pick a judge who hated guns, like the wife of Ronald Reagan's press secretary...of course, you'd have to ship her to law school quick, but it could happen

get this judge confirmed in a Senate that's half full of Republicans

hope like hell a gun case came before this judge

get the case decided in a way that grabs all the guns, like Obama apparently wants to happen

and have the decision affirmed by a majority-Republican Supreme Court.

The reality of this situation is you're more likely to lose your guns under Romney than you would under Obama...because you will probably have to sell all your guns to buy food and make your car payment after Romney ships your job to China.

22. I made a bet...

Well I tried to bet somebody who is afraid of losing his guns because he believes all the email forwards that Obama is going to try to take away his guns. I told him I would bet him $1,000.00 that if Obama is reelected that in four years he will still have his guns. And that during that time Obama will not do anything to try to take away guns from lawful owners....He turned down my bet. Yet he's so sure Obama wants his guns.

43. Fear, fear, fear...that's all they have left to sell

44. Back to this BS....

a bit of yammering a a fOP meeting Obamas going to make a run for the guns...got shot down when the president said he hasn't done one thing to take them away in fact he signed the bill to fix HR218...essentially its all BS boys. Their retort well its because ofthe NRA and GOP...again he says there are lots of Dems that support the position. EOD its all BS.

49. I think we would go a long way towards putting this to bed

if the DNC would remove this from our platform

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole – so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

53. He'll be making race-baiting statments within the week.

54. absurd that this story doesn't mention the Minneapolis shooting

but of course it doesn't, because it is stenography, not journalism.

The shooter in MN struggled with mental illness for years, his family sought professional help regarding his paranoia, and yet he was able to obtain a Glock and thousands of bullets. And after the shooting, few people, certainly not Obama, have said anything about gun control.

57. If it were true, Obama would lose in a landslide

60. Unfortunately the days of democrats

with the balls to stand up to the death merchants and tier toadies are long gone. This is why the US is finished. We are quickly spiraling into thirds world status....guns and god to two destructive things man has invented.

62. Just as the GOP platform favored equal rights for women until 1976, The Democratic platform...

The Gun Control Act was passed that year with bi-partisan support, and it remains our most important gun control law. There is little controversy about it - The NRA helped write it, and has never voiced any real opposition to it.

In the aftermath of President Nixon's resignation, the Republicans struggled to build a new coalition that could hope to achieve a majority of votes in a national election. They made the fateful choice to pander to the burgeoning far-right religious extremist movement that was spurred by the Roe v. Wade decision of 1973.

Abortion has been the GOP's biggest albatross. Two small gun control planks in the platform, added to appease an extremist but highly vocal minority among is, are ours. If we were to embrace the right to keep and bear arms as a valuable choice for individuals and ditch those items, there wouldn't be any discussion of a close election.

72. Obama Lose?

NONSENSE.

More rhetoric and fear pandering from gun enthusiasts.

Hundreds of people in the last few months brought loaded guns to airport security check points in a post 9/11 world, many of which went off accidentally at the airport and we are told to believe they are law abiding citizens whose second amendment rights I need to defend. The gun lobby lives in the same alternative universe as the GOP. Common sense says we need common sense gun laws and that includes banning guns where people drink and pray......oh and also where they fly. COMMON SENSE!

58. Ryan is such an idiot

You know, I'm one of those democrats that strongly supports Second Amendment rights. No, I'm not a gun cultist, gun nut, gun fanatic or anything of the sort - I don't even own one. I just believe in the right of every American to be armed, if they so desire, for hunting and self defense.

That said, there is nothing that Obama has said or done that would lead me to believe he's interested in taking away gun rights. At some point, he may attempt to promote and/or legislate stronger gun control laws, which even a lot of gun owners are in favor of. That's not taking away your guns, Ryan, you idiot. It's attempting to ensure that they are more strictly regulated (which they really need to be) - and laws that would lead to the greater likelihood of responsible use would be great as well (mandated gun safety courses for any would be owner, for instance).

That said... WHAT THE HELL do guns have to do with religious liberty? In any event, Sir, please go hunt lions with a stick.

Guns don't kill people. Insane people do. And automatic weapons have NO use in every day life for the average citizen. The criminals are better armed than the cops. Who's that asshole of a stupid vp choice fooling? Only himself and the dumbest Americans out there. Like he said, the smart people will never buy into their bullshit and vote for them.