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I still have yet to find a game that my 5950 ultra can kick ass in. When I do I'll be purchasing a 6800 ultra or GT, I haven't really kept up with which one is better. That's unless something better is out by then. I know my next card will be a pci-x card though.

Fan boy somewhere else please. I've been displeased with ATI in the past. Maybe I'm just biased, but I prefer Nvidia. Last time I checked Nvidia had the better drivers. I don't really keep up with vpu specs until I'm about to buy a new card, mostly because it's a waste of time. I've looked at the x800, but the XT version is $699 at newegg vs. $450 for the 6800.

Tenderony

Dual graphics card enabled mother boards will be entering the picture shortly...well for everyday homebuyers. That makes all of this irrelevant. You can always wait 6 more months and get something thats SO much better. You end up waiting until the end of the world.

And anyway if you check the specs this is what you'll find but go look for yourself if you don't believe me.
ATI's are running faster right now because their software is more compatible with DirectX 9.x.
But Nvidia has more Hardware power which should shine when directX 10 makes its appearence.
This is of course for people running windows (shut up technogeek linux buttwipes no one cares what you have to say) and with a higher end machine. But like I said go find out for yourself the internets a bog place.

The Iron Lung

i agree, the internet is a bog place, but more importantly it's a big place, where you can decide to stop wasting your money on useless video cards and get the new xbox when it comes out, or what ever....never again having to worry if your comp can handle it.....never having to worry about which driver goes with which series

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The NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series GPUs deliver powerful, elegant and super-rich graphics for games and other graphics-intensive applications. Combining two NVIDIA SLI-certified GeForce 6 Series-based graphics cards in a single system allows you to essentially double your graphics performance. NVIDIA SLI-certified GPUs feature dedicated, built-in SLI hardware and take advantage of the additional bandwidth of the PCI Express bus architecture. Connected by the SLI connector, each GPU has a maximized connection pathway, and can leverage the second card for reaching top-speed performances. Unlike previous dual-card solutions, NVIDIA SLI can output in both digital and analog formats for the highest image quality.SLI Motherboards
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Hardly; Most consumers can't afford one top of the line card, much less two. The question of which card is superior will still be there, only the issue of bargain value will be present more than ever. Imo the whole ATI vs. Nvidia thing has no definitve answer. One will always be better in certain aspects, but fall short in others, just like the Intel vs. AMD wars. It's all about personal prefrence.

bigck3000 said:

i agree, the internet is a bog place, but more importantly it's a big place, where you can decide to stop wasting your money on useless video cards and get the new xbox when it comes out, or what ever....never again having to worry if your comp can handle it.....never having to worry about which driver goes with which series

That would be a great idea for someone who likes a nonscalable gaming solution. Researching and choosing graphics cards is part of the fun of PC gaming. You get to upgrade, and you do it yourself. You're not locked into the gpu that Microsoft chooses for you, for the next 4-5 years. Don't get me wrong; I'm a xbox fan and owner, but it has it's purpose and it's not for the best graphical experience, nor is it for first person shooters. I'll play arcade style games on it all day though. MOST people don't have driver problems. Jstager is trying to use a 5 or 6 year old card, I can only imagine how hard it is to find the CORRECT drivers, that's most likely most of his problem. New cards have a set of drivers, there isn't much guess work there.

The Iron Lung

i guess i'm just not as "hard core" as you guys....i've always looked at video games as sort of a social thing, have your boys over and play some mortal kombat or halo...on the computer you sort of get locked into a zone where its just you and the computer...i almost got sucked into that with CS but i ducked out before i ever used the phrase "I Pwned you"...thanks anyway.. i'll take the easy way of having my technology layed out at my feet...and leave the computer for porn and curveball.

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I agree with the social factor, that's why I own all three console systems. I have two PCs set up for PC gaming though, some games are just meant to be palyed with a keyboard and mouse, some aren't. Another thing I don't like about xbox live is the subscription service; however tivial the amount, I'm already paying for the internet, the game and the xbox I think I deserve free online play.

p.s. I've never said "pwned" I think only teenagers say that, at least I hope that's the case.

Hella Constipated

ATI's first good card was the 8500, but it took a while before that card recieved good drivers.

I have used both ATI's and nVidia's latest drivers (Catalyst 4.10, and ForceWare 61.77), and I can tell you that ATI's drivers have less issues, are more stable, and have many more features.

ATI also makes a new driver build every month...the new drivers always cream the old ones in terms of speed. Starting with the 4.9's, ATI cards ran very well in Doom 3.

Don't get me wrong, I like nVidia (I was just pissed at the time I wrote that), but I have used both, and ATI's have less rough edges. They have better image quality, more features, faster performance, and more band for the buck.

The last nVidia card I used was a TI4200 (Great card, but the RAMDAC on it failed), and the first ATI card I used was the 9600XT (My old 8MB Rage Pro doesn't count). That 9600XT won me over...but I sold it for $100 and bought a refurbished 9700 Pro.

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