What you don't see in that picture is that his suffering is temporary 'a blink of an eye'. What you don't see in that picture is that that person is secured ETERNALLY

Sun_king's point is that your time on this Earth is just as temporary, but god saw fit to send you an angel when you had a flat tire. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people die of starvation and disease every year because god doesn't send angels to them with food and medicine. Person with a flat tire: personal messenger from god with a jack and a spare tire. Person dying from hunger: see you in the afterlife!

If that is true, then it's even worse for the Lord to allow so many people to suffer. Because each thousand years of human suffering is just one day to god. Mosquitoes live only a few human days. We don't care about mosquito suffering--they don't live long enough to matter. We are like mosquitoes to god.

So it's nothing for god to leave people in constant fear, horrible pain or terrible poverty. God is all, "Hey, poor starving Afghan baby, I know your life seems like endless days of pure misery to you, but see, I'm god and it's like oh, a millisecond to me and-- oh, you're dead already. Welcome to heaven! Enjoy the lack of free will and endless praising of my holy name. Ignore the screaming of all the losers and a$$holes down in hell."

If god did not want anyone to suffer, THEY WOULD NOT SUFFER. How weak is your puny god, anyway, compared to the devil, or disease, or famine, or human nature, or "sin" or whatever?

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When all of Cinderella's finery changed back at midnight, why didn't the shoes disappear? What's up with that?

Here's a small miracle - I was driving around the bend and I began saying to God - 'You are not boring you created all this let's have fun together'. Then God told me to drive up to the point. I drove up to the point and parked the car and right in front of me on a sign was a sticker that said 'pause fun' and the font and everything looked like God just put it there for me. I wen't back later and it was gone. Believe me it's fun to have the creator of the Universe speak to you.

Andrew, you've given us a lot of anecdotes, but nothing really to back them up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How am I to believe these claims simply because you tell me. I have never, ever witnessed one of these miracles, never seen any recorded or sufficiently documented, only claimed. So you must understand why I don't believe in any of it.

Essentially what you're asking us to do is believe in a baseless claims above many other baseless claims.

What if I told you that I met went bowling with Elvis Presley's ghost, alongside Erik the Red, Gilgamesh and Loki? What if I told you Loki beat us all at bowling because as the trickster god he is, he didn't play fair. We also went to see The Avengers together and he was most amused by see himself on the big screen as a comic book villain. Gilgamesh's ghost was actually quite surprised to find that when he died he went to Valhalla and not any of the Mesopotamian underworlds, though he worshipped the wrong gods, Odin was cool about it. Erik the Red's ghost on the otherhand was like a fan boy at a Star Trek convention. I didn't really get along with Elvis though, I felt he was a bit big headed.

What if I told you that I experienced these things every day. As ghosts they unfortunely don't show up on my camera and well, Loki gets very defensive about having his picture taken, I tried it once and he destroyed my camera. I've also been to Asgard, where I actually got to meet Odin, we had a pretty big feast and got pretty drunk and it's true, he really does look like Gandalf.

These are my claims and these are my anecdotes. Do you believe I am telling the truth, or am I not? Explain why.

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Andrew, you've given us a lot of anecdotes, but nothing really to back them up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How am I to believe these claims simply because you tell me. I have never, ever witnessed one of these miracles, never seen any recorded or sufficiently documented, only claimed. So you must understand why I don't believe in any of it.

Essentially what you're asking us to do is believe in a baseless claims above many other baseless claims.

What if I told you that I met went bowling with Elvis Presley's ghost, alongside Erik the Red, Gilgamesh and Loki? What if I told you Loki beat us all at bowling because as the trickster god he is, he didn't play fair. We also went to see The Avengers together and he was most amused by see himself on the big screen as a comic book villain. Gilgamesh's ghost was actually quite surprised to find that when he died he went to Valhalla and not any of the Mesopotamian underworlds, though he worshipped the wrong gods, Odin was cool about it. Erik the Red's ghost on the otherhand was like a fan boy at a Star Trek convention. I didn't really get along with Elvis though, I felt he was a bit big headed.

What if I told you that I experienced these things every day. As ghosts they unfortunely don't show up on my camera and well, Loki gets very defensive about having his picture taken, I tried it once and he destroyed my camera. I've also been to Asgard, where I actually got to meet Odin, we had a pretty big feast and got pretty drunk and it's true, he really does look like Gandalf.

These are my claims and these are my anecdotes. Do you believe I am telling the truth, or am I not? Explain why.

look you don't have to believe me but none of its made up, all of it are true stories. I have only posted like 5 things out of 500. God is real in my life

Here is a medium miracle - I prayed for someone with my hands laid on that persons back. When I was done praying they said that they felt a metaphysical sensation all throughout their back. I have seen the healing come in my mind and minister to the people that were around. It's real.

Andrew, you've given us a lot of anecdotes, but nothing really to back them up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How am I to believe these claims simply because you tell me. I have never, ever witnessed one of these miracles, never seen any recorded or sufficiently documented, only claimed. So you must understand why I don't believe in any of it.

Essentially what you're asking us to do is believe in a baseless claims above many other baseless claims.

What if I told you that I met went bowling with Elvis Presley's ghost, alongside Erik the Red, Gilgamesh and Loki? What if I told you Loki beat us all at bowling because as the trickster god he is, he didn't play fair. We also went to see The Avengers together and he was most amused by see himself on the big screen as a comic book villain. Gilgamesh's ghost was actually quite surprised to find that when he died he went to Valhalla and not any of the Mesopotamian underworlds, though he worshipped the wrong gods, Odin was cool about it. Erik the Red's ghost on the otherhand was like a fan boy at a Star Trek convention. I didn't really get along with Elvis though, I felt he was a bit big headed.

What if I told you that I experienced these things every day. As ghosts they unfortunely don't show up on my camera and well, Loki gets very defensive about having his picture taken, I tried it once and he destroyed my camera. I've also been to Asgard, where I actually got to meet Odin, we had a pretty big feast and got pretty drunk and it's true, he really does look like Gandalf.

These are my claims and these are my anecdotes. Do you believe I am telling the truth, or am I not? Explain why.

look you don't have to believe me but none of its made up, all of it are true stories. I have only posted like 5 things out of 500. God is real in my life

So in reality, you've come here to preach, with nothing to offer but rhetoric. It isn't how it works here. You need back up. You're trying to convince us these things happen, you've been doing it for a few pages now, but with nothing to bring to the table but rhetoric. Why is it people so often claim these miracles happen and that they are such common place that nobody is capable of recording enough evidence to make a case for miracles happening? Cases that can be proven true and not falsified. The only miracles I've ever seen recorded are ones that a magician could pull off in a stage show, which frankly, isn't substantial.

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If you don't believe in miracles watch this

The video is just a testimony. If we simply relied on testimonies it would be easy to convict an innocent man.

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What about Ambassador Pony, have you tried sitting on one knee and proposing to him? God isn't going to just make it happen, get off your arse you lazy git.

However, I forgot to buy some cider when I did my weekly shop and if there sun's nice this afternoon, I wouldn't mind sitting in the garden with a nice bottole of cider. If God could leave 4 bottles of Rekorderlig cider by my back door I'll be sure to donate the cost to a Christian organisation of his choice - or of my choice, up to God really - he might not be biased to a particular Christian organisation.

I'll have a hard time proving it to my fellow atheists here, but hey, if I suddenly convert, it'd make things interesting around here. For a start, I'd be able to experience the forum in Christian shoes and well, that would be a good cause, definitely worthy of a miracle.

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Andrew, you are at a forum of adults having a discussion that follows rules of reason and evidence that you simply don't seem to understand. As a result, your posts are impotent and ignorant. Moreover, they are a direct violation of the rules you agreed to follow when you signed up. I suggest you ask a parent to look over the FAQ on this site and counsel you regarding how to be respectful of adults and others in general.

You are muted. Which means someone else must now approve your posts before they appear. This is happenning because you could not control yourself or behave respecfully (again, as you agreed to do when you signed up). I don't expect an apology, but that should figure into your discussion with mom and dad.

You can earn your way out of moderated status by not preaching and actually discussing the subject matter

Not to be an alarmist, but did anyone besides me start to think that Andrew might actually be ...a bit off? Some of his posts, when skimmed en mass start to sound a little like actual delusions and/or hallucinations. It reads to me as if he actually hears "god" speaking to him. He clearly sees "signs", some literal even.

I've been taking a lot of psychology this semester so it could just be my overactive imagination too, I freely admit that. And I'm still on my first cup of coffee. IDK, it's just a sense I got skimming the thread.

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"Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky that created the entire universe and the majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure." ~George Carlin