Rah!Rah!Rah! I finished the game, (with a lot of help from my friends). Never thought I could do it. Finished with "E", clinically insane. I may have to get another A/A game. Am playing TLJ and it seems so tame. Thank all of you for your patience, and help. nu2gaming

I've read this whole post and it is great. I still cannot get past the set of stairs at the end of the balance beams. I have spent 3 days on this and I am able to do the first jump, go over the beams and thru the door to the set of steps. That jump just never makes it. Is there a special trick, like how far out on the floor you go, or when you look up? I really hate it when games makers make just a simple jump so hard to do.

jeri; I'm not sure where you are, but I always found that I had to get as close to the edge of a jump as I could and never look down. Jack has terrible vertigo. Also, I could never make a high jump on stealth. I always had to standing and on regular speed, return to stealth as soon as I made the jump. nu2gaming

I figure that you need to get as close to the edge as possible. But, as has been said you are not to look down. It is very hard then to know when you are at the edge. I finally master one jumb only to find another one staring at me. Once, in three days I got past the stairs in the burning building (after the balance beams) and then of course comes the jump to the ladder and poof I was dead. Then back to that same jump to the stairs that I find impossible. Aargh. I got all of the health possible, am standing up, and I look up as I jump. But, I can't make it. It sure would be easier if you could save after going through some of these difficult spots.

If you're trying to jump across to the exit from the bank (where the set of stairs is across a gap) I found it easier to start from as far back as I could and just move forward looking slightly up and then jump. This is a hard one -- I fell a few times before I got it right.

jeri; You will never know how many times I cursed the creators of this game for not allowing saves before something bad or hard. Please know you are not alone. I spent hours trying to get past some of these things. Please believe me when I say, "If I can do it ANYONE can do it". nu2gaming

Now here's the thing about getting through this game. When you play it on a higher level, it's easier, not harder. I got right through to the end of the Jailbreak section on Hardened Detective level -- in a few hours -- because I knew what to do.

Unfortnately my game computer seems to have bugged out on me, so I won't be continuing for a while. But anyway the first run-through the game is the tough one. After that Jack's in command -- er, well, sort of -- right until the end.

Hi; I've decided to retry DCOTE on Hardened Detective level. So far so good. I am in the grocery store and for some reason I cannot get Jack to go down the ladder. When I look at the ladder and press "w" he backs up. I didn't have this problem on Boy Scout level. What's happening? nu2gaming

EDIT: I must have had a senior moment. I just remembered you have to crouch down to get him to climb down that ladder. nu2gaming

Hi hagatha; Good to hear from you again. I'm at the part where you have to jump to the catwalk over the grinder. I think I gave up and had my son do this for me before. Now I'm on my own. So where exactly do you aim your jump. Close the the mesh? Or more to the end of the broken catwalk? A couple of times I've somehow ended up in the broken grinder. The w/t says duck and crawl under the broken catwalk??? I can't get Jack to move. I can look down and see a body way down below and the broken grinder around me with the piece of catwalk sticking straight up in the grinder. Is this where I'm supposed to be? nu2gaming

Jump as far as you can, over to the RIGHT hand side and as soon as you land move to the corner. The walkway will collapse but you will stay on and be able to jump down once all the movement stops. But don't jump into the grinder.