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I cannot recall the last time I didnt see a player from Ben Davis, Warren or Center Grove on the Indiana Top 15 recruiting list.

The narrative floating around this forum is that The MIC is drying up and The HCC is on the rise. Carmel has 2 players on the list representing the MIC, while Noblesville and Brownburg rep The HCC.

The bigger question is....

Is this the new norm, or just a temporary downturn in talent. Lawrence Central has been a regular contributor to this list over the past decade as well.

Bottom line, Carmel continues to pace The MIC when it comes to churning out high level D1 talent. BD/WC/CG have slipped. The HCC is catching up, and may have passed the MIC if one were to look at the past 5 years, especially with the skill position talent we have seen come out of The HCC.

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Also, CG’s center has been shown interest by high-end D1 schools. And of course Carson Steele has been offered by great schools. QB might get D1 interest, but probably for basketball. Future is bright at CG

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I cannot recall the last time I didnt see a player from Ben Davis, Warren or Center Grove on the Indiana Top 15 recruiting list.

The narrative floating around this forum is that The MIC is drying up and The HCC is on the rise. Carmel has 2 players on the list representing the MIC, while Noblesville and Brownburg rep The HCC.

The bigger question is....

Is this the new norm, or just a temporary downturn in talent. Lawrence Central has been a regular contributor to this list over the past decade as well.

Bottom line, Carmel continues to pace The MIC when it comes to churning out high level D1 talent. BD/WC/CG have slipped. The HCC is catching up, and may have passed the MIC if one were to look at the past 5 years, especially with the skill position talent we have seen come out of The HCC.

That narrative comes from 2 people on this forum, you and Temptation. Stop that nonsense.

Carmel has great athletes but end of day we aren’t in control of our own destiny. Ben Davis and North Central sure are though, so the most talented football conference in the state has BD and NC sitting at the top dueling it out this weekend for the MIC title with potentially Carmel and Warren Central also in the mix.

Center Grove is very young, Ben Davis is still young and Warren Central just graduated 40+ seniors from last year’s team. Warren will be just fine. BD will be just fine. CG will be just fine. You’re trying to stir up the notion that these three teams are doomed and they’re not. These 3 teams have all won state titles in the last 4 years with Carmel sandwiched in between.

No denying the HCC has talent, but you’re talking out of you know where.

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BTW, did you know that the majority of the HCC has been in the largest class since 2003 and the suburb movement started happening nearly 20 years ago?

Here we are though, still with a MIC conference that has won 17 of the last 20 titles.

The MIC is allowed to have down years. 2010 for example, Sagarin ratings of:

Carmel 2 (Lost sectional semi)

Warren Central 3 (Lost sectional round 1)

Center Grove 15 (Lost sectional round 1)

Ben Davis 19 (Lost sectional round 1)

Lawrence North 34 (Lost sectional semi)

Terre Haute North 52 (Lost sectional semi)

North Central 62 (Lost sectional round 1)

Terre Haute South 75 (Lost sectional round 1)

Average of 32.75, a far cry from this year’s average of 14.375. Still ahead of the HCC 16.625

The MIC didn’t die die in 2010, it just came back stronger. 2019 might be down to the standards but the conference is young. Mark my words. 2020 the conference will be strong again, and CG probably wins the title, possibly even back to back, especially seeing as Avon and Brownsburg lose a lot of talent and will take a step back.

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That narrative comes from 2 people on this forum, you and Temptation. Stop that nonsense.

Carmel has great athletes but end of day we aren’t in control of our own destiny. Ben Davis and North Central sure are though, so the most talented football conference in the state has BD and NC sitting at the top dueling it out this weekend for the MIC title with potentially Carmel and Warren Central also in the mix.

Center Grove is very young, Ben Davis is still young and Warren Central just graduated 40+ seniors from last year’s team. Warren will be just fine. BD will be just fine. CG will be just fine. You’re trying to stir up the notion that these three teams are doomed and they’re not. These 3 teams have all won state titles in the last 4 years with Carmel sandwiched in between.

No denying the HCC has talent, but you’re talking out of you know where.

Add Rivals to the list of those “spreading the narrative”, lol. So uncredible.

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I cannot recall the last time I didnt see a player from Ben Davis, Warren or Center Grove on the Indiana Top 15 recruiting list.

The narrative floating around this forum is that The MIC is drying up and The HCC is on the rise. Carmel has 2 players on the list representing the MIC, while Noblesville and Brownburg rep The HCC.

The bigger question is....

Is this the new norm, or just a temporary downturn in talent. Lawrence Central has been a regular contributor to this list over the past decade as well.

Bottom line, Carmel continues to pace The MIC when it comes to churning out high level D1 talent. BD/WC/CG have slipped. The HCC is catching up, and may have passed the MIC if one were to look at the past 5 years, especially with the skill position talent we have seen come out of The HCC.

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Add Rivals to the list of those “spreading the narrative”, lol. So uncredible.

Man you are in DENIAL.

Rivals has nothing to do with the talent of a team. You don’t need a top 15 player to win a title.

My post was a rebuttal that the HCC has been better for the last 5 years. It hasn’t. From top to bottom it’s not even better this year as the Sagarin shows. They might win 6A this year, but guaranteed this is one year only, at least for the next few years. The MIC will dominate again next year. I’m confident in what I say. No need to deny over here.

20 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Clearly, all these teams are ready for contraction.🤓

I concur.

Carmel also needs to go since they may not even win the conference with having better talent than CG/WC/BD. Contract.

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Rivals has nothing to do with the talent of a team. You don’t need a top 15 player to win a title.

My post was a rebuttal that the HCC has been better for the last 5 years. It hasn’t. From top to bottom it’s not even better this year as the Sagarin shows. They might win 6A this year, but guaranteed this is one year only, at least for the next few years. The MIC will dominate again next year. I’m confident in what I say. No need to deny over here.

Please show me a year where a 6A team did NOT have a top 15 player in the STATE...

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The MIC may be down but that means they are only very, very good and there isn't a dominant team. It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the final 4 teams from the MIC this year. It also wouldn't surprise me to see no MIC teams out by the semi-finals because there are good teams in those sectionals ready to take the next step. The fact the teams are more even in the MIC shouldn't indicate anything other than there is no dominant team this year. Even the "bad teams' (Pike, LC, LN) are very talented and would win or compete in every other 6A conference.

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Since 6A was developed it’s only been a 4-team race, every single year. But since you’re on one, 2016 Carmel didn’t have superstars if I remember right, though I was gone on a media trip all fall long. You’re also giving a 6-year window. Even if not, I can go right over to our neighbor and show you multiple 8A champs who haven’t had top 15 players. I know, you asked 6A. My original point was, you DO NOT need to have a top 15 player to win a title in this state. I’m certain of this.

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Since 6A was developed it’s only been a 4-team race, every single year. But since you’re on one, 2016 Carmel didn’t have superstars if I remember right, though I was gone on a media trip all fall long. You’re also giving a 6-year window. Even if not, I can go right over to our neighbor and show you multiple 8A champs who haven’t had top 15 players. I know, you asked 6A. My original point was, you DO NOT need to have a top 15 player to win a title in this state. I’m certain of this.

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I bet I could name a couple state title teams with top 15 talent, and without that talent wouldn’t have won. I’d say that to some degree having top 15 talent is needed to win state.

Many times yes, but teams certainly can win without. I’ve seen a number of Center Grove and Penn teams in the early 2000’s just be really solid as a team with 0 D1 players. FJ Reitz is another team, didn’t win the title because of James Banks and company but went to the semi-state with 0 D1 talent. Take BD out of the equation that year and it’s possible that Reitz wins the whole thing.

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Also, CG’s center has been shown interest by high-end D1 schools. And of course Carson Steele has been offered by great schools. QB might get D1 interest, but probably for basketball. Future is bright at CG

Curry/Booker are very nice player. Curry is a 2022 that has offer from the Hoosiers. Booker is a 2021 that has an offer from Cincinnati. They are a load on the DL.

Crowe is 2020 C and has several offers including Indiana State, Illinois State, and Western Illinois.

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Not exactly an accurate statement. Spegal's certainly had a lot of schools in to look at him, holds at least three offers from D1 schools, and PWO offers from two Power 5 schools.

I hope he goes where he wants to go and makes an impact at the next level. We have seen several Indiana All American QBs sit the bench and then transfer due to lack of either PT or opportunity. Id rather see a kid go to Central Michigan and break the school rushing and TD record than see him go to Virginia as a PWO and never see the field. Best of luck to Charlie.