I'm not exactly a Corbynista but to be fair to Corbyn,MacDonnell and co they hung on in when the Labour Party was taken over by the neo-Thatcherite Blair. Now this lot can't be bothered to fight for change from within. Which incidentally is what I thought they wanted to do in the EU.

I'm not exactly a Corbynista but to be fair to Corbyn,MacDonnell and co they hung on in when the Labour Party was taken over by the neo-Thatcherite Blair. Now this lot can't be bothered to fight for change from within. Which incidentally is what I th

Glad to see the seven have made a decision. Good luck to them it had become inevitable. No surprise if more were to follow.

Clueless lefties just abusing them, not realising they will be left with a pile of rubbish leading the party over a cliff.

Glad to see the seven have made a decision. Good luck to them it had become inevitable. No surprise if more were to follow.Clueless lefties just abusing them, not realising they will be left with a pile of rubbish leading the party over a cliff.

don't think ive ever heard so much shoite in 60 mins,smith we,ll wait for the public to tell us what we should stand forleslie JC IN Last 3 years shown he,s not fit to be PM, but I got elected on his manifesto and campaigned for him to be pm 18 MONTHS AGO.MIKE GAPES remain party libdems part of the problem, labour since the 60,s,so how did he stay in when Blairites were running the party,absolute loons the 7 of them,

none of them will resign to fight a by/election,cowards

don't think ive ever heard so much shoite in 60 mins,smith we,ll wait for the public to tell us what we should stand forleslie JC IN Last 3 years shown he,s not fit to be PM, but I got elected on his manifesto and campaigned for him to be pm 18 MONTH

Agree with DD. Labour is supposed to represent a broad church but it's increasingly narrowed its focus. They seem to spend more time fighting amongst themselves than opposing the awful government policies.

If it wasn't for May, Davis, Grayling, Fox, Hunt, Javid, Williamson etc etc then this would be the age of the worst Labour party of a hell of a long time. Corbyn's got away scot free because the other team are so bad.

Whole thing needs a re-boot.

Agree with DD. Labour is supposed to represent a broad church but it's increasingly narrowed its focus. They seem to spend more time fighting amongst themselves than opposing the awful government policies. If it wasn't for May, Davis, Grayling, Fox,

Umunna, "you join a party to change the world", NO YOU DONT, we elect you lot to sort our own country out ffs. Labour boys you're well shut of this ragtag gang, congratulations, hopefully a few of our lot will join them

Umunna, "you join a party to change the world", NO YOU DONT, we elect you lot to sort our own country out ffs. Labour boys you're well shut of this ragtag gang, congratulations, hopefully a few of our lot will join them

I'm not exactly a Corbynista but to be fair to Corbyn,MacDonnell and co they hung on in when the Labour Party was taken over by the neo-Thatcherite Blair. Now this lot can't be bothered to fight for change from within. Which incidentally is what I thought they wanted to do in the EU.

Glad to see the seven have made a decision. Good luck to them it had become inevitable. No surprise if more were to follow.Clueless lefties just abusing them, not realising they will be left with a pile of rubbish leading the party over a cliff.

Whatever WE are left with it won't be right wingers parading as something they are not.

Whatever WE are left with it won't be right wingers parading as something they are not.

if they had by/election,presumably momentum would ride into town pushing their 2017 manifesto and honouring Brexit vote, these mp,s would have to trash the manifesto they thought was very good and trash the Brexit vote, but say they don't like corbyn

if they had by/election,presumably momentum would ride into town pushing their 2017 manifesto and honouring Brexit vote, these mp,s would have to trash the manifesto they thought was very good and trash the Brexit vote, but say they don't like corbyn

It will be interesting what stance the media take on this as it probably doesn't serve the tories to have a by-election in these constituencies and likely get more Corbyn supporting Labour MP's in Parliament. From what I've seen and read most people think it is wrong for them to remain as MP's without asking for a mandate to do so.

I noted Berger cowardly and wholly side-stepped the question when asked - yeah they represent a WHOLE NEW POLITICS for sure !

It will be interesting what stance the media take on this as it probably doesn't serve the tories to have a by-election in these constituencies and likely get more Corbyn supporting Labour MP's in Parliament. From what I've seen and read most people

If brexit splits the country then does one party lose more votes due to it than the other ?

pp- your the man for the stats; what would this change ?

Seems to me both are saying we are leaving but in slightly different ways. Doesn't that pretty much keep the status quo in terms of floating voters concerned by purely brexit ?

If brexit splits the country then does one party lose more votes due to it than the other ?pp- your the man for the stats; what would this change ?Seems to me both are saying we are leaving but in slightly different ways. Doesn't that pretty much kee

If brexit splits the country then does one party lose more votes due to it than the other ?pp- your the man for the stats; what would this change ?Seems to me both are saying we are leaving but in slightly different ways. Doesn't that pretty much keep the status quo in terms of floating voters concerned by purely brexit ?

I don't think it will have any impact at all if the next general election is in 2022 as scheduled.

I don't think it will have any impact at all if the next general election is in 2022 as scheduled.

" It is unclear precisely how much of this a new centrist party, committed to the existing orthodoxy, hopes to gain. They might insist in calling themselves mainstream, but the fact not one member of the new group will hold a by-election has a simple explanation: they would all lose very, very badly."

" It is unclear precisely how much of this a new centrist party, committed to the existing orthodoxy, hopes to gain. They might insist in calling themselves mainstream, but the fact not one member of the new group will hold a by-election has a simple

I normally find myself in agreement with your posts but am wondering here what you mean by 'awful' ?

enpassant, in general I just think Corbyn's leadership has been very weak. He's surrounded himself with very like-minded people, generally follows everything Milne proposes and instead of accepting that Labour covers a lot of bases and viewpoints has increased divisions in the party that has led to today and what's to come.

I think their handling of the anti-semitism row couldn't have gone much worse to be honest. Next to no discipline against perps and they've had ample opportunity to put it to bed. Now, with Berger on the outside it's bound to be even more of an issue.

Then you have brexit. The party members want one thing but Corbyn (Milne) wants another. So you get the current attempts at hoodwinking. Yeah, we'll go for a second ref but only if we've exhausted these other inexhaustible things first. It's just callous and treats Labour members and voters as idiots. Whether he simply wants out and then a GE so he can build his Socialist Paradise or he's simply happy to let the country go right to the cliff edge as long as he pushes to get an election. Result is that there are hundreds of thousands (at least) people that feel very unrepresented right now. Lib Dems are a joke, the Tories are swinging very hard to the right and Labour are happy to see us crash as long as they get to pick up the pieces.

Not sure what to make of these yet but if they're little more than an irritant shining some light on what's going on then maybe that's a good thing.

I normally find myself in agreement with your posts but am wondering here what you mean by 'awful' ?enpassant, in general I just think Corbyn's leadership has been very weak. He's surrounded himself with very like-minded people, generally follows eve

Because they were elected as Labour MPs, and they are no longer Labour MPs.

Umunna has been consistent in his assertion that the facts have changed since the Referendum and that it should now be re-run with a better-informed electorate. The same does not apply to the people of Streatham it would appear.

Because they were elected as Labour MPs, and they are no longer Labour MPs. Umunna has been consistent in his assertion that the facts have changed since the Referendum and that it should now be re-run with a better-informed electorate. The same does

It's all part of something that is happening anyway, which is politics reshaping on either side of the Brexit divide. We already have the ERG bloc, the "firm within a firm" inside the Tory Party, acting autonomously.

It's all part of something that is happening anyway, which is politics reshaping on either side of the Brexit divide. We already have the ERG bloc, the "firm within a firm" inside the Tory Party, acting autonomously.

thinks smith might be resigning by tea time she,s having an absolute nightmare ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement ,car crash after car crash interview,all over social media after describing non whites of been a funny tinge colour

thinks smith might be resigning by tea time she,s having an absolute nightmare ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement ,car crash after car crash interview,all over social media after describing non whites of been a funny tinge colour

65% Labour voters did vote remain but that was a long time ago>> more recently, 1st Jan 2019Labour members are significantly more opposed to Brexit than Jeremy Corbyn is, with 72% of them thinking their leader should fully support a second referendum, according to a study of attitudes in the party. ..

65% Labour voters did vote remain but that was a long time ago>> more recently, 1st Jan 2019Labour members are significantly more opposed to Brexit than Jeremy Corbyn is, with 72% of them thinking their leader should fully support a second referendum

65% Labour voters did vote remain but that was a long time ago>> more recently, 1st Jan 2019Labour members are significantly more opposed to Brexit than Jeremy Corbyn is, with 72% of them thinking their leader should fully support a second referendum, according to a study of attitudes in the party. ..

So does that mean they are all going to vote tory? Or are they going to continue voting Labour?

So does that mean they are all going to vote tory? Or are they going to continue voting Labour?

This could be the shortest party in history,what a sh1t show that Angela smith is,wants less regulation on fracking as well in national parks seems a right loon,i suppose a few torys said they were going to join up with chuka and he fell for it what a mug..

This could be the shortest party in history,what a sh1t show that Angela smith is,wants less regulation on fracking as well in national parks seems a right loon,i suppose a few torys said they were going to join up with chuka and he fell for it what

lord levey on sky wants the labour party back by that he means blairs labour party ,he might the country doesn't,thery may or may not want Corbyn but they don't want the likes of chukka and co,if chukka,s a left of centre tory like his new best bud souboury,if he stood in lonmdon as a left centre tory he wouldn't get elected,he,s a cooooont in a suit

lord levey on sky wants the labour party back by that he means blairs labour party ,he might the country doesn't,thery may or may not want Corbyn but they don't want the likes of chukka and co,if chukka,s a left of centre tory like his new best bud s

Pp He doesn't have a great deal of choice given how the PLP see him so it's a little harsh to say HE has surrounded himself.The divisions have come about because Labour has taken their place soundly on the left. Each party are small coaloitions but these 7 and the rest that have not yet jumped ship failed to stay the course whereas Corbyn stayed and fought for decades through the Blair years.Margret Beckett (no less) has given Corbyn fulsome praise for how he has grown into his role as leader.The stats on the anti-semitism row clearly indicate the problem is in no way more rife in the Labour party than any other or the population for that matter. The issue has been highlighted constantly by the tory party and their media friends in a disproportionate way.I have no qualms whatsoever about how Corbyn or anyone sees brexit- it is very clearly a person by person decision. He has been publicly urged to do things that would be politically niave and he has steadfastly refused to buckle.Corbyn, I suspect he wants a form of brexit that as he states does not cost jobs and the economy- seems sensible to me (I consider myself a remainer with reservations about the EU).

As for the 7 ; I think they will be cast aside by the electorate at the first opportunity (though pp says one may be in the balance and I think his opinion on these things is worth taking heed of)I also believe they are motivated by self interest and Chuka with his ever changing position on fundamental issue is a prime example of a disingenuous politician - well shot of the lot of them and I hope there are more to follow.

Pp He doesn't have a great deal of choice given how the PLP see him so it's a little harsh to say HE has surrounded himself.The divisions have come about because Labour has taken their place soundly on the left. Each party are small coaloitions but t

"Even with magnetic personalities at the forefront and a well-funded, meticulous operation behind, a new centrist party would struggle to retain a single MP after the next general election. While the splits of 1931 and 1981 destroyed Labour as a party of government for a generation, this time looks different. Importantly, it seems almost every Labour MP recognises as much.

What we are seeing isn’t the launch of a new politics, it’s the old one sailing off in a lifeboat. Floating towards an empty horizon, the Independent Group has no idea where it is going or what forces are pushing it."

"Even with magnetic personalities at the forefront and a well-funded, meticulous operation behind, a new centrist party would struggle to retain a single MP after the next general election. While the splits of 1931 and 1981 destroyed Labour as a part

"Some have suggested that there is institutional antisemitism across the whole of the Labour Party - this is not a view I share, not least because I have not seen one incident of antisemitism in 20 years of activism within the Labour Party"

Chuka : "Some have suggested that there is institutional antisemitism across the whole of the Labour Party - this is not a view I share, not least because I have not seen one incident of antisemitism in 20 years of activism within the Labour Party"Ch

Excellent stuff there pp. It looks like it would depend on how many Labour voters are loyal to Smith for her constituency work. Her performance today would have alarmed many I'm sure but with the numbers so close last time between Lab & Tory it would seem on the face of it a by-election there would be a 'must win' for the tories. A failure to take this seat under the current circumstances would be a dangerous sign for the government.

Excellent stuff there pp. It looks like it would depend on how many Labour voters are loyal to Smith for her constituency work. Her performance today would have alarmed many I'm sure but with the numbers so close last time between Lab & Tory it would

"The irony of this whole situation is, despite the MPs leaving Labour, this new party could peel away enough Tory voters to enable Labour supporters to hold their noses and vote tactically to keep the Tories out. (10 of the 15 projected gains come from Conservative seats.)"

"The irony of this whole situation is, despite the MPs leaving Labour, this new party could peel away enough Tory voters to enable Labour supporters to hold their noses and vote tactically to keep the Tories out. (10 of the 15 projected gains come fr

Tory voters won't vote for that party,just like no tory mps will join it they are probably laughing at chuka only one person can save corbyn and the labour party and it's himself..He has to come down on these issues brought up today,not drag them ouyt and hope for the best especially the antesemitism thing needs to expel however many it takes and immediately,last chance saloon noyt only that either the promise on peoples vote has to be kept if no deal.If he doesn't then he's deluded and totally out of touch

Tory voters won't vote for that party,just like no tory mps will join it they are probably laughing at chuka only one person can save corbyn and the labour party and it's himself..He has to come down on these issues brought up today,not drag them ouy

All cases have or are being dealt with through due process in terms of antisemitism the report on all the figures is now available and the numbers are in keeping with society as a rule. I also do not see why Corbyn should allow the government off the hook by doing thing his political enemies want him to do.Backing a PV would be as meaningless as the demanded No Confidence Vote but his enemies are yet again baying at him to move. I am delighted he has shown the strength and to stand firm on his position despite all the media attention disproportionately focused on him and not enough on the people in power.Just like the 7 yesterday that had nothing to say on austerity et al but plenty to say about the Labour Party. Good riddance and more to follow would be just dandy.

All cases have or are being dealt with through due process in terms of antisemitism the report on all the figures is now available and the numbers are in keeping with society as a rule. I also do not see why Corbyn should allow the government off the

It is a quote coming from the pp link above. Interesting stuff- here it is for ease of ref:https://twitter.com/326Pols?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpoliticalbetting.vanillacommunity.com%2Fdiscussion%2F7348%2Fpolitic

The irony of this whole situation is, despite the MPs leaving Labour, this new party could peel away enough Tory voters to enable Labour supporters to hold their noses and vote tactically to keep the Tories out. (10 of the 15 projected gains come from Conservative seats.)0 replies 1 retweet 6 likesShow this thread

326 Politics‏ @326Pols11h11 hours agoThe irony of this whole situation is, despite the MPs leaving Labour, this new party could peel away enough Tory voters to enable Labour supporters to hold their noses and vote tactically to keep the Tories out.

forgetting the labour party,why arnt the police arresting people for anti Semitism on line,you can kick them out of the labour party but that doesn't stop the tweets,posts on social media, I suspect most are peoples opinions right or wrong but not illegal, I believe someones in jail for some of the berger online attacks

forgetting the labour party,why arnt the police arresting people for anti Semitism on line,you can kick them out of the labour party but that doesn't stop the tweets,posts on social media, I suspect most are peoples opinions right or wrong but not il

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