SilentStrider:I still have never figured out what is supposed to make dubstep any worse than any other techno.

It's just a new thing to hate on. A lot of the "hate" of dubstep comes from people who get worked up over their fantasy that musical genres have rigid walls between them, and so when people call something that is DnB+dubstep influence "dubstep" their little heads explode with rage.

SilentStrider:I still have never figured out what is supposed to make dubstep any worse than any other techno.

There's nothing wrong with dubstep, real dubstep. A nice wobbly bassline with a syncopated beat can be a fabulous listening experience. Dubstep in it's original form was actually very melodic for electronic music, as well as being a lower-tempo genre compared to what it branched off from.

The hate for dubstep came when what many purists refer to as Brostep came to light. Think Skrillex. Basically the idea that you can take every sound at your disposal, throw it in a blender, and record what comes out. Many songs these days are being classified as dubstep when, in reality, they aren't. They don't follow the beat structure dubstep songs usually have(being closer to a moombahton track), the "bass" that everyone thinks is so prevelant in brostep(mainly skrillex) is not bass. It's firmly in the mid frequency range, not the low end. Hence why people say Brostep is less about bass in your face, and more mids for little kids.

Essentially the hate comes more from purists than anything else. Dubstep fans who liked it prior to Skrillex entering the world think this new "Brostep" stuff is a bastardization of the genre they love. House music fans think it's a genre for meth-heads being spearheaded by a tweaker mowgli. And the new kids who are all wrapped up in the "skrillex sound" are too busy getting high and trying to fark each other to notice their music sucks and their attitudes fly in the face of everything that makes raves fun.

TL;DR - People new to electronic music think Skrillex is the greatest thing ever. Meanwhile the old timers are screaming GET OFF MY LAWN!

As someone who loves the electronic/industrial movement, I do enjoy some dubstep, HOWEVER, I also realize that Dubstep can either be an extremely fresh musical evolution, and it can be bland, boring, derivative. A lot of depends on the producer. This was mediocre at best.

I am so out of touch with music, all I listen to is podcasts. Seriously, I don't even know what dubstep is. I have heard it before and still don't get it. I learned about people who hate dubstep before I even knew what it was...

I don't have any point with this other than that I'm getting old. I was just introduced to The Black Keys a couple of weeks ago...they're very good.

Mercury:I'm not fond of it either but if you're older than, say- 7th grade, who gives a rat's arse what other people like. Guess what? There are people who hate the music you like. Get over it

Personally, I don't care. People like what they like and there's no way for me to control that(even if I think it suuucks).

What drives me nuts are the 18 year old assholes who continuously come up to the booth while I'm mid-set begging me to "drop some skrillex bro!"

How about no, and go away? If I'm at a Rave, as a party goer or a DJ, the last thing I want are a bunch of songs about how "I want to kill everybody in the world." Rave's are supposed to be happy, not angry. There are artists who have an aggressive skrillex-y style(ex: Knife Party), but do so with a more upbeat tongue in cheek vibe. Internet Friends may be about a crazy chick on the internet who wants to kill someone for blocking her on facebook. But lets face it, the way they handle it is funny as hell. Skrillex, on the other hand, has a vibe that pretty much revolves around hating the world. He may be the nicest guy in the world, and by most all accounts he really is, but his music puts out a vibe that is just depressing in my opinion.

The Homer Tax:I am so out of touch with music, all I listen to is podcasts. Seriously, I don't even know what dubstep is. I have heard it before and still don't get it. I learned about people who hate dubstep before I even knew what it was...

I don't have any point with this other than that I'm getting old. I was just introduced to The Black Keys a couple of weeks ago...they're very good.

Someone showed me 4 examples of dubstep songs once. They were all electronic-y but they sounded nothing alike. I still don't know what dubstep is. As far as I can tell, it's a new name for what we called electronic music in the 80s and 90s.

Strategeryz0r:Mercury: I'm not fond of it either but if you're older than, say- 7th grade, who gives a rat's arse what other people like. Guess what? There are people who hate the music you like. Get over it

Personally, I don't care. People like what they like and there's no way for me to control that(even if I think it suuucks).

What drives me nuts are the 18 year old assholes who continuously come up to the booth while I'm mid-set begging me to "drop some skrillex bro!"

When a DJ hears "play my song or I'm leaving" they're really hearing the solution to two problems.- I don't remember who said it.

LDM90:The Homer Tax: I am so out of touch with music, all I listen to is podcasts. Seriously, I don't even know what dubstep is. I have heard it before and still don't get it. I learned about people who hate dubstep before I even knew what it was...

I don't have any point with this other than that I'm getting old. I was just introduced to The Black Keys a couple of weeks ago...they're very good.

Someone showed me 4 examples of dubstep songs once. They were all electronic-y but they sounded nothing alike. I still don't know what dubstep is. As far as I can tell, it's a new name for what we called electronic music in the 80s and 90s.

Strategeryz0r:LDM90: The Homer Tax: I am so out of touch with music, all I listen to is podcasts. Seriously, I don't even know what dubstep is. I have heard it before and still don't get it. I learned about people who hate dubstep before I even knew what it was...

I don't have any point with this other than that I'm getting old. I was just introduced to The Black Keys a couple of weeks ago...they're very good.

Someone showed me 4 examples of dubstep songs once. They were all electronic-y but they sounded nothing alike. I still don't know what dubstep is. As far as I can tell, it's a new name for what we called electronic music in the 80s and 90s.

Bassnectar is probably as close as mainstream dubstep gets to the original style

Then you have the slightly less popular, teen bit more repetitive, but I think more melodic Skream

Now compare that, to this

Skrillex's current single Bangarang - This is "brostep"

and, for further comparison, Dubstep circa 2008

Of all of those, the "Salsa on my balls boys, weed brownies" song was the most tolerable to me.

xalres:Strategeryz0r: Mercury: I'm not fond of it either but if you're older than, say- 7th grade, who gives a rat's arse what other people like. Guess what? There are people who hate the music you like. Get over it

Personally, I don't care. People like what they like and there's no way for me to control that(even if I think it suuucks).

What drives me nuts are the 18 year old assholes who continuously come up to the booth while I'm mid-set begging me to "drop some skrillex bro!"

When a DJ hears "play my song or I'm leaving" they're really hearing the solution to two problems.- I don't remember who said it.

The asshole leaving is the solution to 1 problem.What is the other problem that is solved?I don't get it.

majestic:Strategeryz0r: LDM90: The Homer Tax: I am so out of touch with music, all I listen to is podcasts. Seriously, I don't even know what dubstep is. I have heard it before and still don't get it. I learned about people who hate dubstep before I even knew what it was...

I don't have any point with this other than that I'm getting old. I was just introduced to The Black Keys a couple of weeks ago...they're very good.

Someone showed me 4 examples of dubstep songs once. They were all electronic-y but they sounded nothing alike. I still don't know what dubstep is. As far as I can tell, it's a new name for what we called electronic music in the 80s and 90s.

Bassnectar is probably as close as mainstream dubstep gets to the original style

Then you have the slightly less popular, teen bit more repetitive, but I think more melodic Skream

Now compare that, to this

Skrillex's current single Bangarang - This is "brostep"

and, for further comparison, Dubstep circa 2008

Of all of those, the "Salsa on my balls boys, weed brownies" song was the most tolerable to me.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of any of it. I'll play it if the person paying me really wants me too.

It's not so much that dubstep sucks...it's that Skrillex, Borgore and Datsik are the worst things to happen to electronic music since The Venga Boys; and this "new" style is being done to death in every piece of crap popcorn flick to fall out of the asses of Hollywood execs. Had drum and bass been shoehorned into that PoS "Battleship", Roni Size would be the most hated musician since Mozart. Long live Junglists, DIAF Skrillex.

OK, so what is that super famous dubstep beat? I've heard it about a hundred times in various places, but have no idea what song it's from. It was used on freaking America's Got Talent the other night.

Yeah, I know, vague. But pretty sure if I knew what it was and had a link, everyone would nod and be like 'oh yeah'.

EMCGuy:OK, so what is that super famous dubstep beat? I've heard it about a hundred times in various places, but have no idea what song it's from. It was used on freaking America's Got Talent the other night.

Yeah, I know, vague. But pretty sure if I knew what it was and had a link, everyone would nod and be like 'oh yeah'.

If you can find an example of it I, or someone else here, can probably ID it for you.

I would put money on it being a Skrillex song though. His shiat is everywhere, especially since he won that damn grammy.

spleef420:It's not so much that dubstep sucks...it's that Skrillex, Borgore and Datsik are the worst things to happen to electronic music since The Venga Boys; and this "new" style is being done to death in every piece of crap popcorn flick to fall out of the asses of Hollywood execs. Had drum and bass been shoehorned into that PoS "Battleship", Roni Size would be the most hated musician since Mozart. Long live Junglists, DIAF Skrillex.

Pretty much. Datsik isn't terrible, he's done some pretty great collabs. He's very hit or miss though, but when he gets it right he gets it very right.

I still find it funny that Rusko, even to this day, apologizes for introducing that sound to Dubstep. Even he describes it as "someone screaming in your face for an hour."

IMO Dubstep is fresh and unique. It obviously has tons of crossover appeal because you can mix any type of music into it - and it can be done effectively. Skrillex gets a ton of hate, but between him Nero and Bassnectar they're the closest to creating something with the potential to be very exciting.

I don't think the genre is there yet, its still too derivative and simplistic. But it has potential.

Strategeryz0r:I still find it funny that Rusko, even to this day, apologizes for introducing that sound to Dubstep. Even he describes it as "someone screaming in your face for an hour."

In regards with dubstep, I just don't know what to think anymore. Rusko is gonna be blamed forever for the Brostep sound, but he is not a bad producer at all, maybe a little misguided. Just listened to his new album on Soundcloud, and when he hits the reggae/dnb tip it's just stellar, the same feeling 'Jahova' gave me when it came out, but since it actually has melody instead of random noises, nobody will give a crap. On the other hand, when he makes more 'standard' dubstep tracks, it just sounds dated, even though it's practically his original sound. Maybe as an audience we HAVE changed, and the space for original dubstep might be diminishing, I just don't know anymore.

Case in point: Knife Party. They're completely 100% awesome, but whenever I try to explain to someone the difference between them and Skrillex (which I HATE with godly devotion), I always fail. I can't really blame the general public for lumping everything together, probably it all just sounds the same to them, but it is a discussion that is getting somewhat tiring (dubstep v. brostep).

nameofperson:Strategeryz0r:I still find it funny that Rusko, even to this day, apologizes for introducing that sound to Dubstep. Even he describes it as "someone screaming in your face for an hour."

In regards with dubstep, I just don't know what to think anymore. Rusko is gonna be blamed forever for the Brostep sound, but he is not a bad producer at all, maybe a little misguided. Just listened to his new album on Soundcloud, and when he hits the reggae/dnb tip it's just stellar, the same feeling 'Jahova' gave me when it came out, but since it actually has melody instead of random noises, nobody will give a crap. On the other hand, when he makes more 'standard' dubstep tracks, it just sounds dated, even though it's practically his original sound. Maybe as an audience we HAVE changed, and the space for original dubstep might be diminishing, I just don't know anymore.

Case in point: Knife Party. They're completely 100% awesome, but whenever I try to explain to someone the difference between them and Skrillex (which I HATE with godly devotion), I always fail. I can't really blame the general public for lumping everything together, probably it all just sounds the same to them, but it is a discussion that is getting somewhat tiring (dubstep v. brostep).

/turned to moombahton instead//'Sleaze' is just a massive tune

Knife Party is a simple explanation. It all boils down to the title of their first EP, 100% No Modern Talking.

Modern Talking is a wave table in Massive that many artists, most notably Skrillex, use to create the majority of their songs. That's why every song of Skrillex's sounds almost identical to the last, because it was crafted using the same toolset with the same plugins.

Now back to Knife Party. Knife Party, in case you don't know, is comprised of 2 guys from the ever so awesome(and, sadly, broken up now) Pendulum. Knife Party was a natural spin off of Pendulum, because their later albums became more electro house/dubstep infused rather than the DnB based sounds they were known for. This upset much of the group, hence why Gareth and Rob created Knife Party. 100% No Modern Talking is a direct shot at Skrillex in specific, as all of their songs have that vibe but they did so without relying on the same wavetable everybody else does. In fact, much of what you hear from Knife Party is made using regular old instruments and midi devices. That's kind of Rob/Gareth's thing. Ever see a Pendulum live show? They may be a DnB group, but they perform with a full band.

Since the Knife Party boys have an understanding of not only fusing genres(rock/DnB for example), they took this principle and applied it to House, Dubstep, and Moombah. Their songs maintain an agressive, Skrillex-y, vibe but they don't sacrifice progression to do so. Knife Party's songs have a very good progression to them, something Skrillex never understood(seriously, his songs are exactly the same start to finish with little to no progression what-so-ever). This keeps the track from overstaying it's welcome. Likewise, their usage of real instruments and their mastery of audio manipulation keeps their sound from being overly pitchy(a la skrilly).

In essence, they're Skrillex if Skrillex actually understood what music is.

And yes, they kick all sorts of ass. Their mix from EDC Vegas was phenomenal.

Strategeryz0r:Since the Knife Party boys have an understanding of not only fusing genres(rock/DnB for example), but also how to manipulate live instruments to sound like something entirely different, they took this principle and applied it to House, Dubstep, and Moombah.