missmelis

Oh wow, I adore this. I love the colors. I love the animals' tone-on-tone plaids going in different directions. I love the fact that it doesn't scream "hipster" until you look at the details (the dinosaur's mustache, the giraffe's extra scarf). And I LOVE that there's a llama* on it! Nice change from all the sheep shirts (even though I like some of those too).

* I guess it might be an alpaca? It'd be hard to tell them apart in this graphic style.

The goodness of the true pun is in the direct ratio of its intolerability. - Edgar Allan Poe

omegabender

Mancho

hikerjohnd wrote:But the hate and discontent aimed at Ramyb seems disproportionate to that aimed at other artists. Ramyb is a talented artists who gives the public what they want - the volume of ramys art that gets printed is evidence of that!

What makes you think the "hate and discontent" should be proportionate? There is no denying Ramyb gives the public what they want. Such is the discontent of some people here. That is not necessarily the only gripe people here have, though. This is why Jaden suggests sweetpea stick around, instead of jumping to conclusions regarding other people's motives, particularly since endangeredomega's comment was, I understand, a humorous take on the derby theme.

mercurymay39

crazydoglady

hikerjohnd wrote:But the hate and discontent aimed at Ramyb seems disproportionate to that aimed at other artists. Ramyb is a talented artists who gives the public what they want - the volume of ramys art that gets printed is evidence of that!

I recently called Ramyb a marketing genius because I agree that he gives people what they want... but "marketing genius" and "talented artist" are two very different creatures. What gets printed is related to the number of votes... OK, I'm going to admit that I recently followed a link to a site that said a lot of unflattering things about ramyb and the source of his votes. I dismissed it all when I read it, wrote it off as an ugly feud gone public. But when I read the comments posted after his submissions in the last few derbies I start to wonder if maybe there is a grain of truth to it all - because quite frankly some of the posts (yours included) are reminiscent of adoring teenage girls posting about their latest idol. Soooo - I haven't been around long and I refuse to jump on the "bash ramyb" bandwagon BUT I will say that when I read the gushing praise by voters like you it gets factored in to the opinion I am forming about ramyb. If he is truley as talented as you seem to think he is then you should be voting for his art and not worrying about his feelings.

lucky1988

JenXer74

AdderXYU wrote:because it aims for an actually-amusing concept which understands hipsters slightly more than "lol they wear glasses," while also being creative enough that a hipster could laugh at themselves enough to wear it.

In pushing for a creative idea, roger has cut off his chances of getting printed. I'd rather mourn that than see him do what others do weekly for the sake of a win.

cwendauthi

citrusbug wrote:There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be submitting your designs NOT in pantone. There should be no reason why ANYONE (unless they're using MS paint) should not be submitting their designs in pantone so people can see the real design.There should be a rule for pantone only colors imo if it's so common in derbies.
...

The other side of this argument is that no one should care what the image will look like on the shirt, and people are just voting on the idea since it's so vastly different on monitors

I don't even... You state something that contradicts what Ramy said, then immediately follow that up with a concession that he may have a valid point, all while not actually seeming to understand what he said.

Regardless, if woot's in the habit of tinkering with the coloring/print process in order to produce the best design they can, the customer isn't voting on what they see anyway.

chumpmagic wrote:Obviously we don't see eye to eye, so lets just keep this simple...

The same goes for you, really. He posted his opinion, and you back-hand insult him for it not once, but twice. Say what you will about Ramy, he usually stays pretty classy in his replies to attacks; at least in the shirt threads.

You can say he's wrong and hold a differing opinion, but his explanation ("excuses") seems to have some thought behind it and isn't just something he's doing/saying to be an asshat (unlike some other people).

He posts the design in the colors he wants the shirt to look like and let's woot take care of the actual printing color configuration. You can say that you had a bad experience with it, but he says he's had only positive experiences with it. Your anecdote is not more valid than his. If woot messes one of his shirts up, maybe he'll take another approach, but so far it works for him, and as far as I can see, it's not hurting anyone at all.

JadenKale

cwendauthi wrote:He posts the design in the colors he wants the shirt to look like and let's woot take care of the actual printing color configuration. You can say that you had a bad experience with it, but he says he's had only positive experiences with it. Your anecdote is not more valid than his. If woot messes one of his shirts up, maybe he'll take another approach, but so far it works for him, and as far as I can see, it's not hurting anyone at all.

The problem with this is, it should be the designer who dictates the color choices, not be lazy and assume the staff will know the right colors to print the design with.

Part of design is not just in the drawing or creation of the concept, it's in the final product, and that includes understanding color. That's why Pantone was created: to have a universal color palette across the print world. If you use color 185 C, you will ALWAYS get that red you see on coca-cola cans. It will never change unless the person mixing the colors makes a mistake. And if you can cough up a paltry $30 bucks or so on a used Pantone book from eBay (and I use the term "paltry" purely because he's made enough in tee money here to have bought possibly every artist 4 a piece), you can be respectful of the customers, the staff and the other designers competing with you. Hell, most of us don't have one, and we still use the Pantone coated list from Adobe's programs. Honestly, if you have the information available to you, I don't see why you wouldn't use it.

JadenKale

AdderXYU wrote:I know why this isn't doing better, but as cynical and realistic and informed as I may be about the factors that are keeping it down, deep down I'll never fully understand why MJ's work doesn't at least fog more often.

At this point, MJ and I are debating as to where we'll place this week. I keep telling her she's going to beat my scarf off. XD

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