So, we have another one of those delightful "Drug test welfare recipients" threads. I think the issue actually raises an interesting dynamic that I'd hope we could talk about outside the usual welfare state vitriol. Rather than spoil the flame-fest over there, I'll indulge the conceit of simply quoting myself here ...

If I have to take a drug test to get a job programming computers, then I fail to see the reason welfare recipients can't be asked to take a drug test.

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I didn't say they can't be. I was pushing back against the notion that this is some nefarious plot to control the population when it's obviously just a thinly-veiled attempt to cull the rolls, PRWORA-style.

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It's not a nefarious plot. It's just the way it works out. Democrats push for the caretaker state, Republicans push for the police state. And once the dependency is in place, the dictating behavior part becomes compelling argument. Why should they be able to get high on taxpayer money?

We're going to start seeing the same dynamic once health care is socialized. The one thing Democrats and Republicans seem to agree on is that there's really no limit to what the government can force you to do, and once the public is picking up the tab for your health care, pretty much all your personal habits become fair game. Smoking? Poor diet? Couch potato? Look out, we're coming for you!

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I think this is a genuine trend, and I see very little opposing it (outside limited numbers of libertarian rabble-rousers). Am I paranoid? Should this go in the "Conspiracy Theory" section? To reiterate, I'm not claiming it as a conspiracy, per se. No one hatched this as a deliberate policy; it's just an unfortunate side effect of our political divide.

That's a pretty good assessment of the parties, dblack. Also, I'd be surprised as hell if the Rs do anything to stop O care if they're elected in a few months. Same for dems. They did nothing but expand DHS after they took over.

That's a pretty good assessment of the parties, dblack. Also, I'd be surprised as hell if the Rs do anything to stop O care if they're elected in a few months. Same for dems. They did nothing but expand DHS after they took over.

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I'm probably not going to finally recognize that I'm being taken for a ride by both of the parties until our president is officially referred to as dictator and the constitution is nullified once and for all.

So, we have another one of those delightful "Drug test welfare recipients" threads. I think the issue actually raises an interesting dynamic that I'd hope we could talk about outside the usual welfare state vitriol. Rather than spoil the flame-fest over there, I'll indulge the conceit of simply quoting myself here ...

I didn't say they can't be. I was pushing back against the notion that this is some nefarious plot to control the population when it's obviously just a thinly-veiled attempt to cull the rolls, PRWORA-style.

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It's not a nefarious plot. It's just the way it works out. Democrats push for the caretaker state, Republicans push for the police state. And once the dependency is in place, the dictating behavior part becomes compelling argument. Why should they be able to get high on taxpayer money?

We're going to start seeing the same dynamic once health care is socialized. The one thing Democrats and Republicans seem to agree on is that there's really no limit to what the government can force you to do, and once the public is picking up the tab for your health care, pretty much all your personal habits become fair game. Smoking? Poor diet? Couch potato? Look out, we're coming for you!

Click to expand...

I think this is a genuine trend, and I see very little opposing it (outside limited numbers of libertarian rabble-rousers). Am I paranoid? Should this go in the "Conspiracy Theory" section? To reiterate, I'm not claiming it as a conspiracy, per se. No one hatched this as a deliberate policy; it's just an unfortunate side effect of our political divide.

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No one hatched this as a deliberate policy? Really? How far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go? You can bet your bottom dollar that this is all intentional, and being nurtured along by those who plan on running this monstrosity out in the open in the next few years. David Rockefeller was quite plain spoken about the whole thing, and very grateful to the 'media' who've kept it out of the public conscience for the last 50 years.

Prepare to meet your masters, folks. George Orwell was a latter day prophet.

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