Six of the Hornets’ summer signings all featured in the 2-2 pre-season friendly draw against Shrewsbury Town. Sports reporter Adam Newson takes a look at how each of them got on at Greenhous Meadow.

Heurelho Gomes

He dealt well with a couple of early Shrewsbury crosses and was quickly off his line on several occasions.

Failed to punch a cross cleanly midway through the half and seemed to pick up a small knock. However, he continued and wasn’t really troubled.

Apart from one shot which narrowly missed his left post from Jean-Louis Akpa-Akpro, he looked relatively comfortable before being brought off at half-time.

Craig Cathcart

He was looking to get on the ball regularly but misplaced a pass early. However, he did well to break up the resulting attack.

He was well positioned to block a dangerous Shrewsbury cross later in the game and was solid, but didn’t stand out.

Cathcart was brought off in the 36th minute, seemingly due to injury, for fellow new signing Gabriel Tamas.

Gabriel Tamas

Tamas quickly showed neat touches in addition to a well directed pass forward to Troy Deeney.

Positioned himself in the right place to halt a couple of Shrewsbury attacks before the half time interval.

The Romanian international was a vocal presence throughout the second period and organised the back four.

Was caught out on a couple of occasions when he committed himself to a tackle but made one crucial block to halt Akpa-Akpro who had broken into the area.

Was frustrated to concede Shrewsbury’s first goal after trying to play offside and let the assistant referee know his thoughts about the close offside decision in the build-up.

Was caught out of position for the Shrews’ equaliser but, on the whole, it was an encouraging display.

Daniel Tozser

Patrolled in front of the back four early on and was usually available to collect the ball off the centre-backs and build attacks.

Attempted several diagonal passes which were aimed at getting Matej Vydra in behind the Shrews’ defence but the majority were slightly over-hit and went out of play.

Only two starters played the full 90 minutes and Tozser was one of them. He delivered the free-kick which led to the Hornets' second goal, an out-swinging cross to the back-post which Tommie Hoban dispatched in the 47th minute.

The midfielder faded as the game progressed, perhaps due to a lack of fitness as he started pre-season training a week later than the rest of the Hornets squad.

Lloyd Dyer

Attempted to get in behind the Shrewsbury defence early on and showed experience to cover Lloyd Doyley when the full-back went forward.

With the majority of Watford attacks coming down the left flank, he drifted inside as the first half progressed and made a couple of incisive runs. However, he struggled to make a real impact.

Brought off at half time.

Matej Vydra

Looked lost on the flanks for the first 15 minutes and barely touched the ball. Switched places with Deeney and made an immediate impact up front, ironically when pulling slightly wide.

He nipped past Jermaine Grandison and found Troy Deeney who laid the ball to Cristian Battocchio who finished well.

Despite the immediate contribution, he was moved back to the left wing and his lack of defensive responsibility was evident on numerous occasions as he allowed Grandison plenty of room when the full back pushed forward.

JonBoy wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?

The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?

[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?[/p][/quote]The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?Nick El Greco

JonBoy wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?

The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?

Sometimes a Manager has it in his head to play a system whatever. A 4 3 3 means one through the middle and 2 out wide up front because if you don't you won't have a balance.

You should play a system which suits the players not the other way round. If Vydra plays out wide we will definitely NOT see him like he was 2 years ago. He will become disgruntled and feel awkward. So was Deeney moved to wide left? If this is happening I cannot see Bepe staying too long.

[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?[/p][/quote]The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?[/p][/quote]Sometimes a Manager has it in his head to play a system whatever. A 4 3 3 means one through the middle and 2 out wide up front because if you don't you won't have a balance.
You should play a system which suits the players not the other way round. If Vydra plays out wide we will definitely NOT see him like he was 2 years ago. He will become disgruntled and feel awkward. So was Deeney moved to wide left? If this is happening I cannot see Bepe staying too long.Goldenboy1960

I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping & changing continuously, loaning in & out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.

I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping & changing continuously, loaning in & out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.Mooneyman

Mooneyman wrote:
I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping &amp; changing continuously, loaning in &amp; out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.

While I agree with much of this, Sannino has repeatedly mentioned how he was hampered last season by not having had a pre season and inheriting players that just weren't fit enough. He has no hiding place this time. The pressure on him is greater. Far greater. I believe we give him a chance, but he won't have much time if we don't hit the ground running. I too don't want our strike force out wide, but let's see what actually happens when the season gets underway.

[quote][p][bold]Mooneyman[/bold] wrote:
I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping & changing continuously, loaning in & out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.[/p][/quote]While I agree with much of this, Sannino has repeatedly mentioned how he was hampered last season by not having had a pre season and inheriting players that just weren't fit enough. He has no hiding place this time. The pressure on him is greater. Far greater. I believe we give him a chance, but he won't have much time if we don't hit the ground running. I too don't want our strike force out wide, but let's see what actually happens when the season gets underway.mellow yellow

Mooneyman wrote:
I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping &amp; changing continuously, loaning in &amp; out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.

While I agree with much of this, Sannino has repeatedly mentioned how he was hampered last season by not having had a pre season and inheriting players that just weren't fit enough. He has no hiding place this time. The pressure on him is greater. Far greater. I believe we give him a chance, but he won't have much time if we don't hit the ground running. I too don't want our strike force out wide, but let's see what actually happens when the season gets underway.

[quote][p][bold]Mooneyman[/bold] wrote:
I agree that playing Vydra as a wide man wouldn't work, then again as we saw when he joined, Deeney is no winger either. They worked well together as 2 up front, and I do hope that Sannino plays them that way. Saying that, friendlies are a chance to experiment so I hope that by the time we start the season he knows his strongest starting 11 and his starting formation. I don't want another season of chopping & changing continuously, loaning in & out players etc. Consistency will win us promotion. If Deeney stays, together with the big squad we now have offering cover in every position, we should be up there. We have players who are flexible enough to be able to change to a plan B should we need to during a game.
So please Mr Sannino, start the strongest players, in their strongest positions in a settled formation from Aug 9th.[/p][/quote]While I agree with much of this, Sannino has repeatedly mentioned how he was hampered last season by not having had a pre season and inheriting players that just weren't fit enough. He has no hiding place this time. The pressure on him is greater. Far greater. I believe we give him a chance, but he won't have much time if we don't hit the ground running. I too don't want our strike force out wide, but let's see what actually happens when the season gets underway.mellow yellow

Pre season is a time to experiment and without reason a tried and tested system should prevail, maybe the wide playing was as a softner for Deeney, to show he is still no 1 and important for us to stay put, but we know they both need to play upfront together with Deeney as a Forward and Vydra a Striker, as people have said Beppe will have to hit the ground running this year as there are no stones to hid behind this year for him and we all hope him well in doing this with 100% support from the start at least.

Pre season is a time to experiment and without reason a tried and tested system should prevail, maybe the wide playing was as a softner for Deeney, to show he is still no 1 and important for us to stay put, but we know they both need to play upfront together with Deeney as a Forward and Vydra a Striker, as people have said Beppe will have to hit the ground running this year as there are no stones to hid behind this year for him and we all hope him well in doing this with 100% support from the start at least.corbindallas

The whole reason that Vydra didn't play well for West Brom was that they played him out wide.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you play 4-3-3, you play either Vydra OR Deeney. Having said that, why not play Anya and Dyer on the wings, with Deeney in the middle and then use Vydra as a super-sub against the tired legs of the defenders - or if you're one down, change to a 4-2-4 for the last 30 minutes.

The whole reason that Vydra didn't play well for West Brom was that they played him out wide.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you play 4-3-3, you play either Vydra OR Deeney. Having said that, why not play Anya and Dyer on the wings, with Deeney in the middle and then use Vydra as a super-sub against the tired legs of the defenders - or if you're one down, change to a 4-2-4 for the last 30 minutes.The Skeptical Optimist

The Skeptical Optimist wrote:
The whole reason that Vydra didn't play well for West Brom was that they played him out wide.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you play 4-3-3, you play either Vydra OR Deeney. Having said that, why not play Anya and Dyer on the wings, with Deeney in the middle and then use Vydra as a super-sub against the tired legs of the defenders - or if you're one down, change to a 4-2-4 for the last 30 minutes.

Having said that, remember that Sannino isn't set on 4-3-3 for everything like some of you seem to think - he intends to switch between 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 depending on the opposition and the game.

[quote][p][bold]The Skeptical Optimist[/bold] wrote:
The whole reason that Vydra didn't play well for West Brom was that they played him out wide.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you play 4-3-3, you play either Vydra OR Deeney. Having said that, why not play Anya and Dyer on the wings, with Deeney in the middle and then use Vydra as a super-sub against the tired legs of the defenders - or if you're one down, change to a 4-2-4 for the last 30 minutes.[/p][/quote]Having said that, remember that Sannino isn't set on 4-3-3 for everything like some of you seem to think - he intends to switch between 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 depending on the opposition and the game.The Skeptical Optimist

corbindallas wrote:
Pre season is a time to experiment and without reason a tried and tested system should prevail, maybe the wide playing was as a softner for Deeney, to show he is still no 1 and important for us to stay put, but we know they both need to play upfront together with Deeney as a Forward and Vydra a Striker, as people have said Beppe will have to hit the ground running this year as there are no stones to hid behind this year for him and we all hope him well in doing this with 100% support from the start at least.

Sent home sick, according to Uncle Alec on 3CR

[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote:
Pre season is a time to experiment and without reason a tried and tested system should prevail, maybe the wide playing was as a softner for Deeney, to show he is still no 1 and important for us to stay put, but we know they both need to play upfront together with Deeney as a Forward and Vydra a Striker, as people have said Beppe will have to hit the ground running this year as there are no stones to hid behind this year for him and we all hope him well in doing this with 100% support from the start at least.[/p][/quote]Sent home sick, according to Uncle Alec on 3CRbushey tales

I dont understand why he hasn't attempted a 4 -2-3-1 in pre-season yet with Deeney up top Vydra just behind him or off him, Dyer and Anya on either side and Toszer and Batty/Abdi/Mcgoo/ the two just behind creating and mopping up. The three behind Deeney could be mobile and flexible on positioning, swapping wings etc. At least this way Vydra is central and can pick it up a little deeper at times and run at defenders, playing him out wide is just pointless,his confidence will drop and he'll be disgruntled and disheartened. Sannino has to get it right in the first few games or there will be a taxi at his front door come late September. The Pozzos wont put up with another average mid table slog I'm afraid.

I dont understand why he hasn't attempted a 4 -2-3-1 in pre-season yet with Deeney up top Vydra just behind him or off him, Dyer and Anya on either side and Toszer and Batty/Abdi/Mcgoo/ the two just behind creating and mopping up. The three behind Deeney could be mobile and flexible on positioning, swapping wings etc. At least this way Vydra is central and can pick it up a little deeper at times and run at defenders, playing him out wide is just pointless,his confidence will drop and he'll be disgruntled and disheartened. Sannino has to get it right in the first few games or there will be a taxi at his front door come late September. The Pozzos wont put up with another average mid table slog I'm afraid.GloryHornetBoy

I believe 4-4-2 with Deeney & Vydra up front is the way to go for majority of home games, with Dyer & Anya wide left and right midfield, Pudil and Paredes as full backs offerring defensive cover when needed, and supporting attacks if we need to break teams down. Toszer & Abdi central midfield (DM and AM respectively) - could be flat 4 midfield, or look at the Liverpool diamond, With Abdi as Attk Mid. Lots of options here for fresh legs if needed i.e. Bring on Fessi attacking central mid , or out wide. Haven't mentioned McGugan/Murray/Batts
! Great options also for switching to 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.....would think 3-5-2 better suited for counter attacking away from home....what pace with now have with Vydra, Dyer, Anya & Paredes. I just don't want to see 4-3-3 with Deeney or Vydra out wide. Agree with others pn here....best players in best positions . This equates to Deeney & Vydra up front in a 2. Get the service right and you have 50 goals between them and automatic promotion. Now, now...expectations! COYHs!

I believe 4-4-2 with Deeney & Vydra up front is the way to go for majority of home games, with Dyer & Anya wide left and right midfield, Pudil and Paredes as full backs offerring defensive cover when needed, and supporting attacks if we need to break teams down. Toszer & Abdi central midfield (DM and AM respectively) - could be flat 4 midfield, or look at the Liverpool diamond, With Abdi as Attk Mid. Lots of options here for fresh legs if needed i.e. Bring on Fessi attacking central mid , or out wide. Haven't mentioned McGugan/Murray/Batts
! Great options also for switching to 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.....would think 3-5-2 better suited for counter attacking away from home....what pace with now have with Vydra, Dyer, Anya & Paredes. I just don't want to see 4-3-3 with Deeney or Vydra out wide. Agree with others pn here....best players in best positions . This equates to Deeney & Vydra up front in a 2. Get the service right and you have 50 goals between them and automatic promotion. Now, now...expectations! COYHs!huntingdon hornet

JonBoy wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?

well he has played him wide for 15 minutes of a friendly in total. I don't think that constitutes 'insisting' that he plays wide. Of course he he plays him on the wing for the first few league matches that would be different, but unless he does I don't see the point of criticizing just yet

[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?[/p][/quote]well he has played him wide for 15 minutes of a friendly in total. I don't think that constitutes 'insisting' that he plays wide. Of course he he plays him on the wing for the first few league matches that would be different, but unless he does I don't see the point of criticizing just yetneilhorn

to be honest I was simply amazed that the Pozzos kept Sannino for this
new season, I doubt very much that he will still be in place come
October but that will then cause uneccesary disruption in our
promotion attempt.

They have put together an increadible squad of players but that will all
mean diddly if the right coach is not in place.
As an aside thought the away kit looked good.

to be honest I was simply amazed that the Pozzos kept Sannino for this
new season, I doubt very much that he will still be in place come
October but that will then cause uneccesary disruption in our
promotion attempt.
They have put together an increadible squad of players but that will all
mean diddly if the right coach is not in place.
As an aside thought the away kit looked good.endean2

The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.andyhooked

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.mellow yellow

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.

[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.londomollari

Abdi was injured apparently, hope it was just that.
So many people were calling for us to play a 4-3-3 last season, these same people are probably the ones saying it doesn't work now Beppe is trying it.
In my opinion, 3-5-2 suits us best and is the best formation to play. Gives us 2 up front, floods the midfield and 3 at the back should be solid. I would rather use dyer as a wing back than vydra wide of a front 3 put it that way.

Abdi was injured apparently, hope it was just that.
So many people were calling for us to play a 4-3-3 last season, these same people are probably the ones saying it doesn't work now Beppe is trying it.
In my opinion, 3-5-2 suits us best and is the best formation to play. Gives us 2 up front, floods the midfield and 3 at the back should be solid. I would rather use dyer as a wing back than vydra wide of a front 3 put it that way.Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.

Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...

[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.[/p][/quote]Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...mellow yellow

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.

Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...

Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.

[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.[/p][/quote]Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...[/p][/quote]Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.londomollari

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.

Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...

Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.

What was it GT used to say... Don't look at the league table til 12 games in. Wise words.

[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.[/p][/quote]Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...[/p][/quote]Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.[/p][/quote]What was it GT used to say... Don't look at the league table til 12 games in. Wise words.mellow yellow

andyhooked wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.

I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.

The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.

Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...

Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.

What was it GT used to say... Don't look at the league table til 12 games in. Wise words.

Actually, I think it was 10 games - but the principle makes sense.....

[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote:
The Pozzos have given the manager/coach the players. If by late November we are not in the top two then say bye bye to Sannino. These early games should be about gaining fitness more than playing players out of their natural position. Should Vydra start off as a wide player then it shows that Beppe has lost the plot. Let's wait and see before making too early judgements.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that anything less than 20 points from the first ten games, and the Pozzos will act.[/p][/quote]The Pozzos have been running at least one club for 30 years, and I am sure they know that time has to be allowed for new players to 'gell' and the best formation/players to evolve. They will allow at least 15 games before, if things are not running to plan or expectation, they will take stock. They will expect a team within touching distance of the top six---at least---and an improving succession of performances. I don't see the Pozzos taking drastic action before the end of October---unless the team are bouncing around in the bottom half of the league.[/p][/quote]Winning six and drawing two in the first ten is, I think, totally realistic for this team. I think you may find fans with less patience than either you or I, if we have won fewer than five games in that timeframe...[/p][/quote]Yes, there will be fans screaming for heads to roll by the eighth game or so if we haven't won most games by then. I always try to swallow criticism and wait until after game thirteen. Personally, I expect a slow start.[/p][/quote]What was it GT used to say... Don't look at the league table til 12 games in. Wise words.[/p][/quote]Actually, I think it was 10 games - but the principle makes sense.....Vespa Crabro

JonBoy wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?

The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?

If so then he's a bigger idiot for not listening to them.
He's not a wide man he's an out and out striker.

[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote:
Has anyone worked out why Sannino insists on playing Vydra wide?[/p][/quote]The season hasn't even started yet. Do you seriously think Beppe has never even watched a video of what he's capable of or that Gino Pozzo hasn't mentioned what he's best at?[/p][/quote]If so then he's a bigger idiot for not listening to them.
He's not a wide man he's an out and out striker.lutondown

The season will take care of itself in due course - these are just friendly games.

Don't you understand, Beppe's lost the plot. It's another 3 weeks before the season starts and already people are waiting for the first defeat so they can tell us their fears have been realised. If only the Pozzo's could see the light, if only they'd appointed Di Matteo, it's all so easy.

[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote:
Big yawn!
There are so many wanna be football managers on this site!!
Relax - and try to get out more.
The season will take care of itself in due course - these are just friendly games.[/p][/quote]Don't you understand, Beppe's lost the plot. It's another 3 weeks before the season starts and already people are waiting for the first defeat so they can tell us their fears have been realised. If only the Pozzo's could see the light, if only they'd appointed Di Matteo, it's all so easy.Harry's Bar