Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider
registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.

You did not cite the Koran for your claims, because your claims are false:

Quote:

“Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of [all] the worlds.” He set on the [earth] mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with [the needs of] those who seek [sustenance]. Moreover, He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been [as] smoke: He said to it and to the earth: “Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.” They said: “We do come [together], in willing obedience.” So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and [provided it] with guard. Such is the decree of [Him] the Exalted in might, Full of knowledge.}

What is it that you want to achieve here, Emre? It seems as though you wish to persuade people that your understanding of the Koran is the true one. But you have chosen a group of people who don't believe that any interpretation of the Koran is true. So what's the point?

Don't say that.

There's always hope.

Besides, people from all faiths read this place.

Look, even in the most desperate people, we must be hopeful. Because only God knows, who will go inferno, who will go paradise. :

7:163 Ask them about the town which was by the sea, after they had transgressed the Sabbath; their fish would come to them openly on the day of their Sabbath, and when they were not in Sabbath, they would not come to them! It is such that We afflicted them for what they corrupted.

7:164 And a nation from among them said: "Why do you preach to a people whom God will destroy or punish a painful retribution?" They said: "A plea to your Lord, and perhaps they may be aware."

Look, even in the most desperate people, we must be hopeful. Because only God knows, who will go inferno, who will go paradise. :.....

********. You're preaching crap at us again. Most people here are not religious. The nonsense you spout is likely to help persuade others to give up religion too.

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Besides, people from all faiths read this place.

That's your delusion!

I already explained how the viewcounter works. But you have your fantasies, either in your interpretation of the Quran, either about what this thread is.

And about your videos, most of your viewcount is just you visiting them to see the viewcount.

Why don't you ask people reading this thread to step in and say what they think about it? Are you that afraid of their replies?

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

When it comes to transgressing other people's religion's requirements, I do that all the time. So maybe I should ask you about "the town that was by the sea". I assume that's a claim that bad stuff miraculously happened to people who flouted the rules. Well, where's the evidence? Billions of people flout Islam's rules about food and drink, for example. Where's the actuarial data showing bad stuff disproportionately happening to them?

This is like nonsense claims about the healing power of prayer which, when sincere believers start compiling real data, turn out to be garbage.

I'm not impressed by tales about unnamed people who supposedly flouted the rules and got magically punished, just like I'm not worried by claims that every time you say you don't believe in fairies, a fairy dies.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.

Yes, the universes were made of farts, and the devilgod Allah-Jehova-God_the_Elder came and said: "arrange yourself in six days, otherwise I will not be talking to you again"

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.

False. Look at 41:11, who could Allah have said to the Earth "Come willingly or unwillingly" if Allah had not created it on the first day????

Allah could not that is why I have expertly explained that according to the Koran he created the Earth on the first day and any other claims are blasphemous.

__________________On 22 JUL 2016, Candidate Donald Trump in his acceptance speech: "There can be no prosperity without law and order."
On 05 FEB 2019, President Donald Trump said in his Sate of the Union Address: "If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation."
On 15 FEB 2019 'BobTheCoward' said: "I constantly assert I am a fool."
A man's best friend is his dogma.

The reason they were being destroyed was the evils and not beliving the truth. This last food test is a last chance for them. Or rather an accelerated confrontation experience. To show themselves their inner face. It means you'll always choose cruelty. They're see their real faces for the last time.

......you have no idea about the real story of the universe, nor any idea about what the readers of this thread think of the Koran, and all other religious texts.

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

Meanwhile, 41:11 and 41:12 verses about the arrangement of existing universes.(when they in gas/smoke form)

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

The world is being created in these last two days.

41:11 And11 He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke;12 and He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of you, willingly or unwillingly!" - to which both responded, “We do come in obedience."

41:11 and 41:12 about The arrangement of existing universes and the creation of the world.

The world has been shaped in the last two days, so it was created. The existing universes were arranged..

That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.

......you have no idea about the real story of the universe, nor any idea about what the readers of this thread think of the Koran, and all other religious texts.

Say, mikeg, thanks a bunch for “checking in.” I have repeatedly explained my comments were in connection with the interpretation of the Koran, that much should be absolutely clear, because that is of course the subject of this thread.

Now while I respect your willingness to declare based on nothing that I have “no idea about” the real story of the universe and have assumed the role of declaring what the readers of the thread think, perhaps we should endeavor to, you know, stick to the topic of the thread, and endeavor to avoid making laughably ridiculous assertions like those I quoted above. But as I said, thanks for checking in.

41:11 And11 He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke;12 and He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of you, willingly or unwillingly!" - to which both responded, “We do come in obedience."

41:11 and 41:12 about The arrangement of existing universes and the creation of the world.

The world has been shaped in the last two days, so it was created. The existing universes were arranged..

That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.

Say, mikeg, thanks a bunch for “checking in.” I have repeatedly explained my comments were in connection with the interpretation of the Koran, that much should be absolutely clear, because that is of course the subject of this thread.

Now while I respect your willingness to declare based on nothing that I have “no idea about” the real story of the universe and have assumed the role of declaring what the readers of the thread think, perhaps we should endeavor to, you know, stick to the topic of the thread, and endeavor to avoid making laughably ridiculous assertions like those I quoted above. But as I said, thanks for checking in.

/oh man.....

I apologise. I thought I was responding to the OP. Please re-read my post as though it were addressed to him. It was never meant as a response to you.

That doesn't mean that I find "....I have expertly....." to be anything other than distasteful bragging.

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

That's why when the universe is six years old, the world is two years old.

So, according to you the Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old and the Universe is 4,500,000,004 years old. Good thinking!

That's the quality one can expect from the "expertly" shaman Emre.

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

The reason they were being destroyed was the evils and not beliving the truth. This last food test is a last chance for them. Or rather an accelerated confrontation experience. To show themselves their inner face. It means you'll always choose cruelty. They're see their real faces for the last time.

Cool story, but of course it's not actually true. It's just another fan fiction veiled threat to keep people in line.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Originally Posted by abaddon

Emre, how did you come to Islam?

Of course I read the Koran.

No. The suggestion was you were born a Christian and then became some kind of a Muslim.

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, this is your lie.

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.

Certainly your avatar shows that the world started two years ago, at least for you .

Emre_1974tr: you have become pretty a living tomfoolery-writing machine!

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer...

Posts: 9,432

Surely Emre has a pretty made-up excuse for all those blunders, like he is in a permanent ecstatic state in the timelessness time of the flour (of the garbage can) and thinking in the farting beginning of the religious multiverses (also known as multisnowjobs).

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

__________________Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated, or covfefe your soul!These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out.I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it.

Do ye join equals with Allah? The Koran says that it was four days for the earth and the mountains! Therefore under no interpretation of the Koran could the earth be created any later than the third day.

The verses clearly say the universe (and other universes) is six, the world is two years old.

So the world is only 4 years younger than the universe. Curious, because you said previously that it was one third of the age of the universe. Which one of your answers do you want us to believe?

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.