tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post5922783964987388889..comments2015-08-02T15:22:40.990-05:00Comments on Althouse: Is Michael Moore's next movie going to be an attack on copyright?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4531430668656772162007-06-20T11:32:00.000-05:002007-06-20T11:32:00.000-05:00Luckyoldsonny,You sling your excrement around and ...Luckyoldsonny,<BR/><BR/>You sling your excrement around and expose yourself like a monkey. We're still waiting for you to attempt to back up your lies. <BR/><BR/>P.S. You're right about something, though. I used 23 words when I could have just said "ass."janehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13774042039888338162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63503021146329596802007-06-20T01:49:00.000-05:002007-06-20T01:49:00.000-05:00jane says: "I is ignert and like to fondle really ...jane says: "I is ignert and like to fondle really old things."<BR/><BR/>tell us something we DON'T know.<BR/><BR/>*still waiting for those "liberal views" you espouse...and please...you're still using way too many words to say absolutely nothing.<BR/><BR/>maybe it's the meds.Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73575901959559883492007-06-20T01:44:00.000-05:002007-06-20T01:44:00.000-05:00Pogo said..."Jane is a goddess."You and Fen-Fen ha...Pogo said..."Jane is a goddess."<BR/><BR/>You and Fen-Fen having a spat?Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35182565286508910422007-06-18T23:57:00.000-05:002007-06-18T23:57:00.000-05:001. On the infant mortality rate -- perhaps this ha...1. On the infant mortality rate -- perhaps this has been addressed already, but, people, get your heads out of your asses. The United States does two things that raise its infant mortality rate:<BR/><BR/>a. We report it honestly.<BR/><BR/>b. Our technology is so freaking good that we are able to give babies a chance to live who would never have a chance in, say, just for example, Cuba. A lot of these babies die. But at least we give them a chance.<BR/><BR/>2. Once again, our leftist posters show a fundamental misundertanding of economics. Direct and indirect goverment subsidies to healthcare are, obviously, subsidies. Subsidies to any good or service make the price go up. This is an undeniable economic fact. <BR/><BR/>In countries that choose to provide healthcare paid for by taxes, costs are, again obviously, lower. There are simply longer queues, which make people suffer longer and sometimes die, and shortages, which make people suffer longer and sometimes die. <BR/><BR/>No one in this country who needs immediate medical assistance is denied that assistance. Old people have substantially free healthcare. Poor people have substantially free healthcare. People who go to the emergency room can get free healtchare. Thousands of these people who don't have insurance who the left laments are sturdy 20-somethings who have never been healthier in their lives and have no need for healthcare.Seven Machoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04864522047626634770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46163415313932706042007-06-18T22:43:00.000-05:002007-06-18T22:43:00.000-05:00Jane is a goddess.Jane is a goddess.Pogohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35718236941247847202007-06-18T21:45:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:45:00.000-05:00Yeah Lucky:Dittos to what Jane said. I would add I...Yeah Lucky:<BR/><BR/>Dittos to what Jane said. I would add I bet you are big humongous sloppy fat ass.AJ Lynchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00241724007440718575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85436356423222892752007-06-18T21:38:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:38:00.000-05:00'Course it's enlightening to finally find out that...'Course it's enlightening to finally find out that there were no "blojobs," or at least there wuz no effort to hide the fact of 'em to the Special Prosecutor or the Merican sheeple that Clinton pointed his finger at so convincingly and Hillary damned when she, festooned in pink angora sweater, told America's sweetheart Katie on mornin' teevee how the hateful right wing was trying to frame her po' Bill with BJ lies and so forth.<BR/><BR/>I don't watch Fox but twice a month, and two hours total, but just might give it a look each day now, seeing how its network threatens a little man who lies and insults other people with made-up stuff. Oh, and am going to try to find a creation museum so that I can pet the dinosaurs just like you say i want to cuz I is ignert and like to fondle really old things. <BR/><BR/>Sweet dreams,<BR/>Janejanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13774042039888338162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90178471831653487752007-06-18T21:21:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:21:00.000-05:00Dear Luckyoldson, You’re a complete ass. Show me ...Dear Luckyoldson, <BR/><BR/>You’re a complete ass. Show me where I said such things. Show me specifically. I wanna see it real bad.<BR/><BR/>Fondly, Janejanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13774042039888338162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49889452373845981572007-06-18T21:16:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:16:00.000-05:00jane says..."I, for one, love the exquisite irony ...jane says..."I, for one, love the exquisite irony of how most of the cynical Left (who see plot and scandal everywhere and who are suspicious of Government intentions, policy and elected officials when they put up a Christmas tree or wage war against those who attack us...etc., (rush/sean/bill/ann/michael)...is a complete right wing nutcase.<BR/><BR/>*and keep in mind, this from one who fully supported the "plot and scandal" of clinton getting blojobs...hillary killing vince and anything else that rush/sean/bill/ann/michael tell her to believe.<BR/><BR/>dumb as a stump.Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18948898976061882302007-06-18T21:11:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:11:00.000-05:00eli,don't waste your breath on thorley.first of al...eli,<BR/>don't waste your breath on thorley.<BR/><BR/>first of all, think of having a name like thorley.<BR/><BR/>second, he or she could care less about health coverage...he or she has it.Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42014856644626611712007-06-18T21:09:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:09:00.000-05:00thanks...thorley.and your point being?thanks...thorley.<BR/><BR/>and your point being?Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90216498995180658852007-06-18T21:07:00.000-05:002007-06-18T21:07:00.000-05:00Pogo said... "does this seem right?" No, but...Pogo said...<BR/><BR/> "does this seem right?"<BR/><BR/> No, but since the numbers in #2 and #3 are bullshit, I don't advise you worry about it all that much.<BR/><BR/><BR/>want to bet?Luckyoldsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11489310035114843752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28845201982657766522007-06-18T19:38:00.000-05:002007-06-18T19:38:00.000-05:00And we wonder why they are still kicking GM's ass....<I>And we wonder why they are still kicking GM's ass.</I><BR/><BR/>Megan McArdle <A HREF="http://www.janegalt.net/blog/archives/005866.html" REL="nofollow">debunked</A> the Japanese health care market advantage myth last year.<BR/><BR/>On top of that, there's yet another glaringly obvious hole in the argument, which is that the Japanese are "kicking GM's ass" with cars that are made <B>in America</B> by <B>American</B> workers -- who, in case you weren't aware, don't receive health coverage from the Japanese government. <BR/><BR/>The reason why GM is inferior to the Japanese brands has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with the fact that GM is a much less-efficient corporation, due primarily to (a) internal problems remaining from its days as a near-monopoly and (b) union agreements made back when GM profits were high and unions were strong.Revenanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74947016152233565492007-06-18T19:05:00.000-05:002007-06-18T19:05:00.000-05:00Palladian and Hoosier, let me return your question...<I>Palladian and Hoosier, let me return your question with this one: How is health care as a common good different from social security or medicare. It seems to me that consistency would require you reject social security and medicare if you don't think health insurance is in that category.</I><BR/><BR/>Roger <BR/><BR/>Actually I am a proponent of a privatized savings account, deducted from my pay as opposed to the SS system. Medicare in part is paid by the beneficiary and also is not a full blown health plan ala, a company PPO. Part B and D are optional plans which are paid in part by the beneficiary and the beneficiary is still required to make out of pocket deductions. It isn't full coverage, hence, Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage plans. Not the same as mandated health coverage.<BR/><BR/><I>let me ask you this: do you have insurance? who provides the coverage fees? if it's a company, make a call to day and see what the exact coverage (same deductibles) would cost YOU, if YOU had to pick up the tab. then ask yourself this: could an average american afford to pay?</I><BR/><BR/>I know exactly what that coverage is. I work in the insurance industry Lucky so I have a good handle on it thank you very much.<BR/><BR/>Again and I have said it before, High deductible health plans tied <BR/>to an HSA <I>dramatically</I> reduce the out of pocket premium expense. The savings can be put into the HSA, tax free growth, used for first dollar coverage and are portable. Most people balked cause they want the $20 copay and thats all. No deductible, no more out of pocket. <BR/><BR/>So are health care costs high? You bet. Think that's somehow going to miraculously change once Uncle Sam pays the bill? The only difference is that amount from my paycheck that goes to the insurance company will then go to the Feds.<BR/><BR/>Again, lets put some accountability and personal responsibility into the program, something you have yet to answer to. How much in taxes are YOU prepared to pay for covering the health care for me and mine? <BR/><BR/>I'm not opposed to the idea, but there has to be more emphasis placed on people taking care of themselves and DOING the preventative care. Something few who HAVE coverage do now.Hoosier Daddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78116995115058523272007-06-18T18:59:00.000-05:002007-06-18T18:59:00.000-05:00Thorley,Actually, the Japanese smoke a heck of a l...Thorley,<BR/><BR/>Actually, the Japanese smoke a heck of a lot more than Americans. A lot of them only use one match for the whole day, then chain-smoke their way through it (and over the past generation that has come to include women as well as men).<BR/><BR/>So you'll have to look someplace else to explain it.<BR/><BR/>Actually, the Japanese health care system is a model that might work for the U.S. It isn't a 'single payor' government system like most people think about when they discuss universal health care.<BR/><BR/>The Japanese model involves essentially a three way agreement between the government, the individual and a consortium of six major health care providers. People pay premiums, copays and deductibles as they do here. The government pays the insurance companies to keep rates affordable and to provide it to even the neediest/riskiest of patients.<BR/><BR/>Who isn't involved in the three way agreement between the individual, the government and the private insurance companies? Toyota, Nissan, Sony, Nokia,... <BR/><BR/>Plus it greatly simplifies union negotiations where there is a union, because health care isn't even a topic of discussion.<BR/><BR/>And we wonder why they are still kicking GM's ass.Eli Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3970149787146764752007-06-18T18:15:00.000-05:002007-06-18T18:15:00.000-05:00america has the highest health care costs in the w...<I>america has the highest health care costs in the world</I><BR/><BR/>And the most advanced technologically and productive in the area of disease treatment.<BR/><BR/><I>the United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world</I><BR/><BR/>Because we include stillborns (about 45% of our overall numbers according to the March of Dimes) and most other countries do not report them in their infant mortality numbers. And even then the difference is a fraction of a percent (about 0.25% IIRC) between the United States and the nation with the lowest reported infant mortality rate.<BR/><BR/><I>we rank #29 in life expectancy</I><BR/><BR/>Yes the average American can expect to live to be about 78 compared to the average Japanese who can expect to live to be about 82. But if you can avoid smoking, keep off the extra weight and not get infected with HIV then the difference pretty much disappears. What this tells us is that at a certain point life expectancy is driven by lifestyle choices rather than just the availability of health care.Thorley Winstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35530675077140773582007-06-18T18:03:00.000-05:002007-06-18T18:03:00.000-05:00Palladian and Hoosier, let me return your question...<I>Palladian and Hoosier, let me return your question with this one: How is health care as a common good different from social security or medicare. It seems to me that consistency would require you reject social security and medicare if you don't think health insurance is in that category.</I><BR/><BR/>Consider them both rejected for the same reason and with the additional grounds that they’re largely a redistribution of wealth from comparatively poorer younger working people to relatively wealthier retirees.Thorley Winstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90709202473480809502007-06-18T17:53:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:53:00.000-05:00I, for one, love the exquisite irony of how most o...I, for one, love the exquisite irony of how most of the cynical Left (who see plot and scandal everywhere and who are suspicious of Government intentions, policy and elected officials when they put up a Christmas tree or wage war against those who attack us and who *know* Big Biz buys off pols no matter what) and some of the Right (who hate Big Gov and disdain both pols and bureaucrats as venally corrupt and lazy), now tell us a virtuous WH, Congress and Federal bureaucracy will save the day on a brilliant multi-trillion dollar tax-funded government administered health insurance and care-rationing program, and that it won’t contribute to dependency, a sense of entitlement, to hyper-corruption wrt billing and reimbursement, and won’t pave the way for more government-mandated/government-controlled/ and government-apportioned “fairness” income-redistributive Really Humane programs based on constituency, party and clout.<BR/><BR/>Hey, impossible, run-on sentences are an apt metaphor for what will come, if Moore and Hillary have their way and we "sacrifice" (their favorite word) our choices, remaining self-responsibilities and freedoms for their idea of Fairness and the Collective. Go SuperNanny USA!<BR/><BR/>Next on the agenda- that US of A is retro-nationalistic and needs to be updated with a more globally progressive and inclusive idea of polity...janehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13774042039888338162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80018170277415940232007-06-18T17:34:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:34:00.000-05:00"we ALL chip in to help others, and by doing so......"we ALL chip in to help others, and by doing so...ourselves."<BR/><BR/>It's not "chipping in" when you are compelled to do so on the threat of forfeiture of your liberty and fortune. It is using the power and implicit violence of the State to force people to fund someone else's idea of the moral value of charity. Tithe, brother, or be imprisoned.Palladianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66299686837025674672007-06-18T17:25:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:25:00.000-05:00"You might as well claim we should all be forced t..."You might as well claim we should all be forced to sit and watch Triumph of Will before we can complain about its anti-semitism."<BR/><BR/>At least "Triumph of the Will" is beautiful. Moore has the aesthetics of a late-Stalin era Soviet prison decorator.Palladianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42718918081430710202007-06-18T17:24:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:24:00.000-05:00it's not really "one person," it's society as a wh...<I>it's not really "one person," it's society as a whole...caring for those who cannot care for themselves.</I> <BR/><BR/>This is a grossly overgenerous description of the problem. Yes, some who go without health insurance cannot afford it. But many who don't can. It is a question of allocation of resources. <BR/><BR/>I work part time at a ski area with a lot of 20 somethings, mostly male. They are offered accident insurance for $10 a month. Several years ago, one of them tried to do a flip on his day off, landed on his neck, and needed a CAT scan to be released for work. He had been spending the $10 a month on beer, etc., and so spent the rest of the season as our non-skiing dispatcher. But when I polled the other young guys, almost none of them were paying the $10 a month premium - which was about what they made an hour when working. <BR/><BR/>The reality is that young adult males rarely need health care except for accidents, and so many of them just don't bother with health insurance, even when they can afford it, which given the rates, they often can. <BR/><BR/>This is not to say that all of the uninsured are intentionally in that situation, but rather that there is a large segment of that group that is, and that is never acknowledged in order to drive up the reported numbers of uninsured. <BR/><BR/><I>we ALL chip in to help others, and by doing so...ourselves.</I><BR/><BR/>You want to contribute to someone else's health care costs, that is fine. But that isn't what you are proposing.<BR/><BR/><I>*if you pay taxes, you're funding highways, etc. in areas where you yourself do not live or travel. would you recommend only funding what you yourself use?</I><BR/><BR/>I suppose that it would be possible to never use the highways and to never use products shipped that way, but if you do, you would be in a small minority in this country, maybe .01% or less. <BR/><BR/>Besides much, if not most, of the money spent on highways comes from fuel taxes, which have some relationship with the amount of highway travel involved. <BR/><BR/>I do suspect that you aren't suggesting some method of charging the most those who use health care the most. So, unless you are, the analogy with highways would seem inappropriate.Bruce Haydenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46262102184256647822007-06-18T17:16:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:16:00.000-05:00Lucky: oh, and shouldn't everybody, being the "fai...Lucky: <I>oh, and shouldn't everybody, being the "fair-minded" people that are posting here say they are...wait until the actually SEE THE DOCUMENTARY...before they rail against it?</I><BR/><BR/>Nope. Micheal Moore is a known propagandists acting in bad faith, distorting facts, etc. You might as well claim we should all be forced to sit and watch <I>Triumph of Will</I> before we can complain about its anti-semitism.<BR/><BR/>You want to lap up Moore's bs, be my guest.Fenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04537941237536682722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24594808630223319722007-06-18T17:07:00.000-05:002007-06-18T17:07:00.000-05:00Jesus, Lucky, do you do anything besides post a re...Jesus, Lucky, do you do anything besides post a reply to every single comment? Get a life.<BR/><BR/>Others have pointed out the stupidity in your second claim, but I want to add one more angle:<BR/><BR/><I>2. the United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world</I><BR/><BR/>This is also related to the fact that we have a much lower abortion rate than Europe. There, if a fetus is found to have any problems, they simply destroy it. Hell, if they're only supposed to have one kid, they'll want it to a picture-perfect specimen anyway.<BR/><BR/>You know what else, Lucky? There's a LOT more kids in the US born with downs syndrome than in the EU. Is this because we have inferior genes? No, because over there, if a test shows the slightest chance of it happening, they kill it right away. Unlike your lovely socialist friends, we don't think merely being retarded deserves the death penalty.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh, there's a creepy stench of eugenics coming from the pseudo-intellectual left these days...Jeffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10944377885337661691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43554783104280821222007-06-18T15:52:00.000-05:002007-06-18T15:52:00.000-05:00Adam said..."It's a shame that he's such a fame wh...Adam said...<BR/>"It's a shame that he's such a fame whore, because he is a good film-maker - he's just entirely too in love with himself."<BR/><BR/>It does seem that all of Moore's work is primarily about himself which is probably why I misheard the title of this recent movie as "Thicko" and figured it must just be another self-portrait.Meadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03316388500723034455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1218509923313120992007-06-18T15:45:00.000-05:002007-06-18T15:45:00.000-05:00Sorry--should have added that even though the UN a...Sorry--should have added that even though the UN agency collecting the stats goes with the any live birth definition, the US is one of the few countries that actually uses it.Rogerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.com