Go for it Mag!! They are REALLY nice trucks. They look great and the new 5.4 really turns! I had a 2000 Model (which was not the newest body) It was a great truck!! That is....... until the supercharger I added fried the transmission!!! But Ford was cool, they even warrantied it!

martini

03-15-2005, 02:47 PM

I have an 04 S-Crew with the new 5.4L 3 valve and it is leaps and bounds more powerful than the original 5.4L. I love my truck and have not regretted buying it one bit. Do it!

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 03:01 PM

.......... Give me some reasons NOT TO BUY the 2005, all black, F-150 FX4. :popcorn: 5.4 L 3.73 rear
I have two of them. Brandy's is an 04' FX4 5.4 SuperCrew w/ 3.73, Great truck.. My company truck is an 04' 4X4 XLT 5.4 Supercrew w/ 3.55. Go with the 3.73 rear end, much better for pullin. My work truck has 69,000 miles w/ no problems to this point!!!

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 03:02 PM

I have an 04 S-Crew with the new 5.4L 3 valve and it is leaps and bounds more powerful than the original 5.4L. I love my truck and have not regretted buying it one bit. Do it!
Yes they are, the 03' to the 97' 5.4's had 267hp. Now the 04' and 05' have 300hp.

Reason not to buy: It will make Mag Red cool.http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/toetap05.gif

MarkP

03-15-2005, 03:28 PM

Reason not to buy: It will make Mag Red cool.That just is not right:uglyhamme

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 03:31 PM

:rolleyes: I axed you for reasons not to buy it. :uglyhamme

$30-40K that's a good reason!

OhioProstar

03-15-2005, 03:33 PM

Mag is made of Money.

How about Chevy's still hold a better re-sale and trade in with their Z71 series.

6ballsisall

03-15-2005, 03:35 PM

Nah, I think Mag is seeing the light. Oh no did I just start a brand war :cool:

rem_p

03-15-2005, 03:38 PM

:rolleyes: I axed you for reasons not to buy it. :uglyhamme

only thing holding me back is the cash money $$$$$, plus im waiting for ford to come out with the classic bronco again....soon as it happens im goin to order one. :D

rem_p

03-15-2005, 03:39 PM

Nah, I think Mag is seeing the light. Oh no did I just start a brand war :cool:

all ford and toyota for me

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 03:59 PM

$30-40K that's a good reason!
MSRP is $36,400
Invoice $30,745 A Plan

Rebates available $3745 and you get :cool: set of Craftsman Tools

Or screw the cash back and take 0% financing for 60 months

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:00 PM

Nah, I think Mag is seeing the light. Oh no did I just start a brand war :cool: :rolleyes: This from a Mopar Dude?? :D

ski_king

03-15-2005, 04:02 PM

I have a 97 with the 5.4 and it does good and has 99K on it with no engine or transmission problems.
I have friends with the 04's and 05's and hear nothing but good reviews about them.

Mag, are you looking at SuperCab or SuperCrew? (Go for SuperCrew, unless you really need the bed length.)

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:07 PM

I have a 97 with the 5.4 and it does good and has 99K on it with no engine or transmission problems.
I have friends with the 04's and 05's and hear nothing but good reviews about them.

Mag, are you looking at SuperCab or SuperCrew? (Go for SuperCrew, unless you really need the bed length.) I'm leaning towards the Super Cab. I thought I wanted the crew, but after sitting in the back of the x-cab, it has slightly more leg room than the current Silverado. Not sure I want to pay the extra $2000 for 4 full sized doors and a shorter bed. I'll run up there and take some pics of this bad boy. I just hope I can get out of the showroom with out signing something :D

6ballsisall

03-15-2005, 04:08 PM

:rolleyes: This from a Mopar Dude?? :D

Still like Fords, just not the Powerjoke, or I mean, powerpoke, nope.....what do they call that hunk?

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:40 PM

here we go

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:41 PM

and this...............

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:42 PM

and the interior.................

6ballsisall

03-15-2005, 04:42 PM

Snazzy!!

Put some yellow accent stripes on it and we can call it the bumble bee!! It will look sweet with your 209! Take the plunge!

Put some yellow accent stripes on it and we can call it the bumble bee!! It will look sweet with your 209! Take the plunge!

P.S. Can I have the Craftsmen tools? :D I might sell them to you at a hell of a deal. ;)

MarkP

03-15-2005, 04:47 PM

I’m goin to have to go ahead and say, “I like it” Now I hope I don’t win the great garage give away

ski_king

03-15-2005, 04:54 PM

Go for it Mag!! Very Nice!!!!

Ah, what the heck, just do it.

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 04:56 PM

here's what it might look like together.............

MarkP

03-15-2005, 04:58 PM

Sharp mag!! That should do it:toast:

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 05:10 PM

I think with the 0% it's a no brainer......besides it looks way better than a silver truck..........althought I :love: my Chevy. The last thing I need to do is take my daughter and her friend out in it and see how comfortable the girls are in the back. Slap a couple of video monitirs in the head rests and they should be good to go :steering:

Ben

03-15-2005, 05:40 PM

My opinion:

Get the 4 big doors. I think I'd vote for that over 1 foot of extra bed length, if those were the 2 choices.

I recently switched from ext cab to crewcab. Huge difference. Especially if you are trying to put 4 people in to go the lake or Cumberland in your past examples. I don't care how many footballplayers they put in an extended cab on a radio commercial, it is still small with a very vertical rear seat back.

Other opinion, Black is awesome when it is just washed. 5 minutes later when it is dirty again, it shows faster than any other color. Looks very good though.

MarkP

03-15-2005, 05:43 PM

I think mag needs the bed for work

OhioProstar

03-15-2005, 05:43 PM

I looked at 0% last year when I bought mine....but if there is any rebate greater than $4k...It would be better to get a 5/3 loan at 5% and take the rebate. Just a thought.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/auto_ratehome.asp?web=brm&prodtype=auto&state=OH&market=023%2C46&search_from=1&sort=2&product=41&submit=Search

I got the loan on my Acura in June last year with these guys. 4.2% at the time:

Get the 4 big doors. I think I'd vote for that over 1 foot of extra bed length, if those were the 2 choices.

I recently switched from ext cab to crewcab. Huge difference. Especially if you are trying to put 4 people in to go the lake or Cumberland in your past examples. I don't care how many footballplayers they put in an extended cab on a radio commercial, it is still small with a very vertical rear seat back.

Other opinion, Black is awesome when it is just washed. 5 minutes later when it is dirty again, it shows faster than any other color. Looks very good though.Those extra 2 doors will cost $40/ month at 0% Let the kids suffer is what I say! :uglyhamme

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 05:49 PM

I looked at 0% last year when I bought mine....but if there is any rebate greater than $4k...It would be better to get a 5/3 loan at 5% and take the rebate. Just a thought.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/auto_ratehome.asp?web=brm&prodtype=auto&state=OH&market=023%2C46&search_from=1&sort=2&product=41&submit=Search

I got the loan on my Acura in June last year with these guys. 4.2% at the time:

http://www.morganbank.net/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=morgan/products_index.html?whatpage=productspersonalloand escripGood point.........I crunched the numbers and the break even between the rebates or taking the 0% is at 4.8% Chase did my van last December at 2.9%..............Oh Hoosier Bob!!!!!!!! :D

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 05:50 PM

I think mag needs the bed for work

You got that right Skippy! :headbang: I'm a wokin man

MarkP

03-15-2005, 06:29 PM

Hey, I used to do some painting:toast:

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 06:30 PM

Hey, I used to do some painting:toast:

I knew there was some reason I liked you :toast:

Ric

03-15-2005, 06:31 PM

You got that right Skippy! :headbang: I'm a wokin man
That's a beautiful truck and I'm no ford man.
Mag, walk up to it on the showroom floor and try to reach over the bed wall into the bed. It's weird but you may get used to it. If you use it for work it may annoy you.
client of mine just got that same year model in a supercrew and doesnt need the bed length, he says its the best riding truck he's ever owned (its a 2wd)
That interior is very nice and mag you can bop the shifter just like toby keith if you get one :noface: .

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 06:34 PM

I knew there was some reason I liked you :toast:

At least somebody does!! ;)

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 06:35 PM

That's a beautiful truck and I'm no ford man.
Mag, walk up to it on the showroom floor and try to reach over the bed wall into the bed. It's weird but you may get used to it. If you use it for work it may annoy you.
client of mine just got that same year model in a supercrew and doesnt need the bed length, he says its the best riding truck he's ever owned (its a 2wd)
That interior is very nice and mag you can bop the shifter just like toby keith if you get one :noface: . :confused: Care to fill me in??? As far as the bed hieght.........I thought about that. I'll be keeping the Chevy as more of a work truck.

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 06:36 PM

Dang Mag what kind of "work" do you do? Corvette, 2 trucks, 209 and a teenager...wow!!

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 06:37 PM

Mag Bigglo the Male Jigglo!!

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 06:40 PM

Dang Mag what kind of "work" do you do? Corvette, 2 trucks, 209 and a teenager...wow!!YOu forgot ...the Vette is gone. I'm a commercial painting contractor. Right now we are in the Custom Home market. $1,000,000 and up. Also do some exterior condo repaints in the Summer. 4- 12 employees

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 06:46 PM

Aww man that ***!! That was a gorgeous car. Painter huh? That's cool. Good thing you do big stuff because they say those little mom and pop painters all tend to be suicidal and alcoholics. After painting my own house for 2 days last week I now know why!!

Ric

03-15-2005, 06:46 PM

:confused: Care to fill me in??? As far as the bed hieght.........I thought about that. I'll be keeping the Chevy as more of a work truck.
maybe they run the ads here only but there is one of toby keith driving around and singing about his ford truck and he's bopping his closed fist on the shifter... It took me a few times seeing it for it NOT to make me laugh at the suggestive nature of the commercial and/or the shifter design in general.

I will apologize beforehand if that's too sophomoric Gene :purplaugh

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 06:48 PM

They run the add in SC as well.

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 06:54 PM

They run the add in SC as well. Never saw it up here..but I get the idea :D

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:00 PM

Mag, I have seen some 04' FX4's in Yellow, now that would look good pulling the 209!!! ;)

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:08 PM

Try this!!!

André

03-15-2005, 07:09 PM

Mag, I have seen some 04' FX4's in Yellow, now that would look good pulling the 209!!! ;)
That's my idea too ...Either that or get a black boat! :uglyhamme
All yellow would be an awsome rig!

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:13 PM

That's my idea too ...Either that or get a black boat! :uglyhamme
All yellow would be an awsome rig!
And a NO Haggle Price of below $30,000.00, with 7k miles.

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 07:14 PM

Try this!!!No Way! Besides they don't offer the yellow this year..........I wonder why? And despite what BriEOD thinks........I don't have enough money to sell a year old boat for a black one :noface:

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:17 PM

Well so much for helping your insensitive a$$ :( . But I just emailed you the page anyway ;) !

ski_king

03-15-2005, 07:24 PM

I just reread this thread and realize just how good of a deal that is!
MSRP is $36,400, $30,745 A Plan minus Rebates $3745=
$27,000 bottom line price

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:26 PM

That's my idea too ...Either that or get a black boat! :uglyhamme
All yellow would be an awsome rig!
Agreeing with me on this board could be risky waters Andre' ;) !

86PowerSlot190MC

03-15-2005, 07:27 PM

here's what it might look like together.............

I think black and yellow looks kinda cool :cool:

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 07:33 PM

Well so much for helping your insensitive a$$ :( . But I just emailed you the page anyway ;) !Well when I show up at your door with some flowers...make sure to throw em in my face like she did :D

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 07:34 PM

Well when I show up at your door with some flowers...make sure to throw em in my face like she did :D
Will that be around the 4th????

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 07:37 PM

Will that be around the 4th????might be :uglyhamme

lakes Rick

03-15-2005, 07:42 PM

I guess I am the only one who does NOT like the interior on the new F150.. I feel too trapped in it, besides it looks like some jap ricer in there... Chevy pewter trucks are where its at....

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 07:53 PM

I guess I am the only one who does NOT like the interior on the new F150.. I feel too trapped in it, besides it looks like some jap ricer in there... Chevy pewter trucks are where its at....Cool.......cause I have one of them too! :friday:

Reasons not to get it: It is black -- which is the toughest color to keep clean. (Seems counterintuitive, but white is the easiest to keep clean and black the most difficult.)

I've got a 2004 F-150 4x4 with 5.4L; not sure of the rear gear.

I've got the rear suicide doors; I drop my 7 year old off at school each morning and these are a bit of a pain. Since she rides in the back seat, she either climbs over the console to get into the front seat and exits out the passenger door, or I get out out so the back door on the driver's side can be opened. If your crew hauling will be rare, or if when people get out everyone gets out, no problem. This is the one thing I'd change if I could...though I bought mine used from my father-in-law, and his selection wasn't too broad.

I've had good luck with mine so far. Pulls the PS 190 well. Quiet on the highway.

Bongo

BriEOD

03-15-2005, 08:05 PM

No Way! Besides they don't offer the yellow this year..........I wonder why? And despite what BriEOD thinks........I don't have enough money to sell a year old boat for a black one :noface:

Ahh quit being a va-gina and just buy a new boat Mag!!

6ballsisall

03-15-2005, 08:14 PM

:eek3: :eek3: :headbang: I love this board!!!

Ahh quit being a va-gina and just buy a new boat Mag!!

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 08:16 PM

Reasons not to get it: It is black -- which is the toughest color to keep clean. If your crew hauling will be rare, or if when people get out everyone gets out, no problem.
Bongo Silver or Pewter is the easiest color to keep clean. I had a pearl white Toyota a while ago and that car always looked dirty to me.......even when I cleaned it. I would always find some slightly discolored spot on it.......drove me nuts! Had a Black TransAm, also a biotch to keep clean, but when it was, it was spectacular! :headbang:
My Silverado will still be my daily driver. :wavey: As far as the crew....Only when I take my daughter and her friend to the lake....and she will be driving soon. :eek3:

Leroy

03-15-2005, 08:36 PM

Mag;
#1 reason, because a Lexus LX470 would be much better!

Farmer Ted

03-15-2005, 08:41 PM

Here you go Brad.......looks like two different shades of yellow

Those are mad Photoshop skillz you got there Tool?

Hoosier Bob

03-15-2005, 08:42 PM

I have heard the new body F series has had a lot of problems with the "Muffler Bearings" and probably will be recalled soon. The Dialectic Inversion Module has also been known to cause some issues.
:D

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 08:48 PM

Those are mad Photoshop skillz you got there Tool?
That's right Farmer, I can't be the Wildman, Skippy and the Toolman all at the same time. These Email groups keep me busy enough :D !

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 08:52 PM

Mag;
#1 reason, because a Lexus LX470 would be much better!I don't think I'd feel comfortable throwing a paint sprayer in the back and a 40' ladder on the top of a Lexus. besides......I waiting for the GS430 to hit the floor.

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 08:55 PM

Those are mad Photoshop skillz you got there Tool?http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/leaving.gif

Farmer Ted

03-15-2005, 08:58 PM

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/leaving.gif

Mag is the Toolman? :confused: :rolleyes: :eek3:

MarkP

03-15-2005, 09:03 PM

Ahh quit being a va-gina and just buy a new boat Mag!!You want the Va-old one:uglyhamme dont you:D

Hoosier Bob

03-15-2005, 09:03 PM

Mag's just the "TOOL!" That would make a great TV series, "Tool and the Man!" :D Mag is the Toolman? :confused: :rolleyes: :eek3:

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 09:07 PM

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/leaving.gif
Me just being me, has keep the heat off of you Mag, now just take the credit for the Toolman. I miss him, we are both on the same level, although he prefers to do his toobin with Doug.. :uglyhamme

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 09:15 PM

:rolleyes: Geez! One little smilie and I got you all thinkin I'm the Tool Man???? :purplaugh You got that Skippy????

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 09:16 PM

:rolleyes: Geez! One little smilie and I got you all thinkin I'm the Tool Man???? :purplaugh You got that Skippy????
Yea, I got it, but You are still the Toolman.

Mag_Red

03-15-2005, 09:19 PM

Yea, I got it, but You are still the Toolman. And you're still Skippy! 8p

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 09:20 PM

And you're still Skippy! 8p
%$#*%#$@!&*, Ok!!!

MarkP

03-15-2005, 09:20 PM

So its mag.....:eek:

Hoosier Bob

03-15-2005, 09:30 PM

He did not say "you got that right, Skippy!" I don't think Mag would have given up all of those posts. He's pretty superficial.So its mag.....:eek:

bradamerry

03-15-2005, 09:36 PM

He did not say "you got that right, Skippy!" I don't think Mag would have given up all of those posts. He's pretty superficial.
Bob, that is not going to help them stay off of me :confused: ??

Hoosier Bob

03-15-2005, 09:41 PM

I thought you said "DROOLMAN!" Mag is the "TOOLMAN!" He also goes by D. B. Cooper once in awhile. Dental records should prove us correct, or lack there of! :woohoo:

Leroy

03-15-2005, 10:18 PM

#2 reason not to buy

I don't know if Mag is toolman or not, but if true an El Camino is what you would need to pull this!

bcampbe7

03-15-2005, 10:21 PM

I like the yellow and black Mag.
What do you think Farmer? ;)

Farmer Ted

03-15-2005, 11:25 PM

I like the yellow and black Mag.
What do you think Farmer? ;)

Sure would look good with a Hawkeye decal......

mitch

03-16-2005, 07:16 AM

Pewter Chevy!! You're frieking killing me Rick. Mag, it looks great. I would go for the crew, but I've 3 kids. Sounds like the Super cab is the truck for YOU, and YES,, get the black. I'm on my second black Ford, no regrets, and it'll look killer w/ the yellow. Glad you're coming over from Chevy, it must have been the Avalanche that pushed you to Ford. :D

Leroy

03-16-2005, 07:33 AM

Avalanche is on Bob and Ray's (Car Talk) list of 10 ugliest cars.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/uglycar/uglycar.html

ski_king

03-16-2005, 07:56 AM

Yes it ranks up there, but the Pontiac Aztek wins hands down as the ugilist.

As far as the suicide rear doors on the supercab, there is one problem with them. When getting 3 or more people out the same side in a tight parking lot, you get trapped between the 2 open doors.

djhuff

03-16-2005, 09:14 AM

Black is the way to go. Yeah they get dirty easy, but look really good clean. And if you keep it properly waxed, it stays looking good for a long time.

Mag_Red

03-16-2005, 09:22 AM

Yes it ranks up there, but the Pontiac Aztek wins hands down as the ugilist.

As far as the suicide rear doors on the supercab, there is one problem with them. When getting 3 or more people out the same side in a tight parking lot, you get trapped between the 2 open doors.PLanning to test out both, super cab and the super crew this week-end while my daughter is here. Pretty sure I'll pull the trgger on one or the other. Thanks for all the lively discussion :toast:

bcampbe7

03-16-2005, 09:53 AM

Doesn't look like your the only one making the switch Mag. Seems others have "seen the light" also. :D
Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=0VGCOEKBPXFC0CRBAEOCF FA?type=businessNews&storyID=7919650)

Ric

03-16-2005, 10:05 AM

PLanning to test out both, super cab and the super crew this week-end while my daughter is here. Pretty sure I'll pull the trgger on one or the other. Thanks for all the lively discussion :toast:
keep us posted mag.
If this thing is going to sit in the garage til saturday nites and lake trips, your testimonials on it's quality will be weighted.
Shoulda mounted a hitch on that vette!

captkidd

03-16-2005, 10:21 AM

Might as well throw my :twocents: in here. I definitely like the new F-150's better than the previous version. I would have a very hard time buying a black truck (unless I had a black boat) because they are so hard to keep clean, they're extremely hot in the summer, and they show every little scratch and waxing swirl. With all that said, black would definitely look the best with your boat, and a thin yellow pinstripe might make it look even better. I would prefer a chrome grill and bumpers just to dress it up some; it has chrome step bars, but not much chrome anywhere else. The worst thing would be buying a yellow pickup and the two yellows not matching.

I'm on my second Dodge Quad Cab, and I like having the suicide doors because I can access stuff behind the driver's seat without having to go around the passenger door to get to it. However, if I were buying a new truck I would have a hard time not getting the 4-door version just for the convenience of carrying passengers, and for their comfort. I could be wrong but I think Dodge's 4-door pickup has a full 6 1/2 ft bed; why doesn't Ford offer this option as well?

I don't think you'll be disappointed either way you go. It's an awesome looking truck.

Ric

03-16-2005, 10:30 AM

Might as well throw my :twocents: in here. I definitely like the new F-150's better than the previous version. I would have a very hard time buying a black truck (unless I had a black boat) because they are so hard to keep clean, they're extremely hot in the summer, and they show every little scratch and waxing swirl. With all that said, black would definitely look the best with your boat, and a thin yellow pinstripe might make it look even better. I would prefer a chrome grill and bumpers just to dress it up some; it has chrome step bars, but not much chrome anywhere else. The worst thing would be buying a yellow pickup and the two yellows not matching.

I'm on my second Dodge Quad Cab, and I like having the suicide doors because I can access stuff behind the driver's seat without having to go around the passenger door to get to it. However, if I were buying a new truck I would have a hard time not getting the 4-door version just for the convenience of carrying passengers, and for their comfort. I could be wrong but I think Dodge's 4-door pickup has a full 6 1/2 ft bed; why doesn't Ford offer this option as well?

I don't think you'll be disappointed either way you go. It's an awesome looking truck.
You can get a crew cab in a ford with a real bed, but I don't think you can get it in a half ton model like gm and apparantly dodge offer.

Leroy

03-16-2005, 01:56 PM

Definitely not a good time for GM.
Doesn't look like your the only one making the switch Mag. Seems others have "seen the light" also. :D
Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=0VGCOEKBPXFC0CRBAEOCF FA?type=businessNews&storyID=7919650)

rem_p

03-16-2005, 08:05 PM

Definitely not a good time for GM.

nothin like some good stats and finance....gah i just love those classes :confused:

Mag_Red

03-16-2005, 08:21 PM

Definitely not a good time for GM.If you look back you will see they peeked around 2000 ( about the time I bought the Vette :D ) Ford isn't doing all that well either. Wait till GM gets in the mid 20's and BUY! You will reap the rewards. How many of us wish they would have bought Chryler stock when they were tanking? GM has some serious Design problems.........nothing wrong with their running gear.

bcampbe7

03-16-2005, 08:47 PM

Begin Thread hi-jack:

Not that I can talk or anything. I bought this lovely stock in December.

Found out Monday I was a victim of a "pump and dump."
I had read the reports stating this stock was to be a good one. Unfortunately it was all fluff. Apparrently 2 guys bought a crapload of the stock for about what it is now ($.30) and created false reports and such. I am down over 90%. OUCH! :eek: The 2 guys made millions and probably have it in off-shore accounts waiting for them when they get out of prison.
Oh well, you win some you lose some.

/And now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

milkmania

03-16-2005, 09:01 PM

well, I'll have to say the Honda Element is much uglier that the Chevy Avalanche!!!

Hoosier Bob

03-16-2005, 09:07 PM

Don't be a hater! I love that thing! If it sat three across it would be mine! Oh yeah, and have a V-8! If you can get chicks in that it's all you baby!well, I'll have to say the Honda Element is much uglier that the Chevy Avalanche!!!

Leroy

03-16-2005, 09:07 PM

While on the topic of trucks, Ford has not suffered so much.

Leroy

03-16-2005, 09:09 PM

And Toyota stock hasn't done much in last year and their sales has been great.

Leroy

03-16-2005, 09:11 PM

I just wish MC were publicly traded!

Storm861triple

03-17-2005, 12:00 PM

.......... Give me some reasons NOT TO BUY the 2005, all black, F-150 FX4. :popcorn: 5.4 L 3.73 rear
I drive about 20,000 miles a year.

I pay ~$2.00 per gallon in UT for Unleaded.

I save ABOUT $800.00 per year owning a Chevy instead of that Ford you're looking at.

I can also climb Parleys Canyon at 75 mph on OD. Somehting no other gas truck I kow of can do.

There are the reasons I can think of. The new F-150 is a SWEET looking truck though. I dig the style and interior. If only it didn't weigh 5600 lbs!

-Tom

Mag_Red

03-17-2005, 12:07 PM

How do you figure you're saving $800/ year in fuel???

I'm currently getting about 15 MPG with my '99 4x4 Silverado......about the same estimate for the new Fords. :confused:

east tx skier

03-17-2005, 12:14 PM

When I was shopping the Tahoes and Expeditions last year, the Tahoe was rated at a bit higher fuel economy than the Expedition. My average (for combined city and highway) is about 15-16 mpg the last time I checked.

Nice truck but by the grill I can tell it's the base model - it doesn't have the fancy honeycomb grill that the top-of-the-line models do. It probably doesn't end there, but if you like it, who cares what trim level it is?!?

Mag_Red

03-18-2005, 07:36 PM

Nice truck but by the grill I can tell it's the base model - it doesn't have the fancy honeycomb grill that the top-of-the-line models do. It probably doesn't end there, but if you like it, who cares what trim level it is?!?FX4...The Off Road Version. Definately not the base model

Storm861triple

03-18-2005, 08:23 PM

How do you figure you're saving $800/ year in fuel???

I'm currently getting about 15 MPG with my '99 4x4 Silverado......about the same estimate for the new Fords. :confused:

But honestly, I really AVERAGE about 17 mpg for all my driving; to work, around town, cold starts, and highway. SO,

If I figure the difference in MY milage vs. friend's Fords that I know about (and my general knowledge about vehicle's fuel economy), I come up with just under $800. To wit.
20,000 miles/17 mpg = 1176gal in a year for me.
1176 x $2.00 = $2352.00 bux I spend in a year.

20,000 miles/14 mpg = 1428 for the Ford
1428 x 2.00 = $2857.00

Whoops! I did the math wrong! That's what I get for doing it on a cell phone calculator while driving! Lol.

So I only save $500.00 a year. I still take it. Plus gas prices are on the rise, so the margin is only going to get wider.

Storm; 20,000 miles! That's your first problem, just drive less! In the 4x4 I avg ~9k/year.

As I told my son tonight, I could effectively cut the gas price in half by getting rid of the LX470 and buying an Accord.

Mag_Red

03-18-2005, 09:43 PM

I'm glad you asked. My truck ('96 x cab, sb, 4x4, 350, 5 speed) get's OVER 14.5 mpg towing my boat to lake powell and back, 75+ mph all the way. No gas Ford can touch that.
Too bad you can't get a manual these days.....like I said...I only get around 14-15 with my chevy

BTW, My girl friends '04 1500, 5.3 xcab, sb, 4x4 get over 22 mpg on the highway, so even better than my truck does. Haven't tried towing w/it yet. She must not have a lead foot then. I'm always at 70 or above on the HWY. Not trying to hit on your G/F, but what rear end does she have??? :D

ski_king

03-18-2005, 10:16 PM

Thomas (Storm861triple), I think the big difference is you have a manual transmission. It seems the manufactures are offering less models with the manual. I checked and saw Chevy still offeres it with the 5.3, but not on the Z71 or 1500HD. On the Ford F-150 the manual is only available with the V-6. You can get the 5.4 and a manual on the F-250 though.

Although I have mainly prefered and owned Fords, I will have to admit that it seem the GM's do get a little better milage in simular equiped trucks.
As far as styling goes, I prefered the 97-03 era F-150's over the new body design. If I was buying new today, I would lean towards a F-250. In my opinon, better looking that the F-150. Would love to get the Powerstroke, but not sure it is worth the extra money.

east tx skier

03-18-2005, 11:10 PM

I really miss having a manual tranny.

/huh huh, you said ...

Storm861triple

03-19-2005, 03:13 PM

She must not have a lead foot then. I'm always at 70 or above on the HWY. Not trying to hit on your G/F, but what rear end does she have??? :D

It's nice and firm...Uh...I mean....It's a 3.73. Both our trucks are 3.73 gears. But the milage we recorded was going above 70 mph. On one tank she was averaging 85 mph (most of the time traveling above 90), and the thing still got 19.x mpg!

I think the big difference is you have a manual transmission. It seems the manufactures are offering less models with the manual.
I think the manual helps MY truck do better than the same thing w/an auto, but her truck does even better than mine, even saddled w/an auto.

I agree that it is getting harder and harder to get sticks, and that pisses me off to no end. I would have a '03 or newer (because of the engine not the "nose") chevy 1500 5.3 right now instead of my '96...if you could get a stick. But I refuse to sell my '96 because you can no longer get an x-cab 1500 w/a stick! Grrrr.

As for the 1500 Z71, what would anyone want that for?? You're paying a premium for basically a decal kit. And yes, the shocks are slightly better, but those are worn out in 50,000 miles anyway. Complete waste of money. Buy a 1500 Silverado LT, Blow the 4x4 decals off the bed w/a pressure washer, and buy new "Z71" decals from the dealer for next to nothing.

Back to the manual trans's though, it's lame you can't get them anymore. I'd so love to see that Chevy 5.3 w/a medium duty (read: efficient) six speed and 4.11 gears. I bet you could pull 23 mpg out of that combo with some smooth, heads up driving!

lakes Rick

03-19-2005, 04:14 PM

I believe the Z71 package also included skid plates....

Storm861triple

03-21-2005, 12:24 AM

Oh, yeah. You're right.

I forgot about those 3/32" thick ALUMINUM plates they call "skid plates". I can tell you from experience that they won't do a bit of good, should you bottom out on a rock....for those MC owners that actually go "off roading" w/their full sized, stock, pick-up trucks.]

Can you tell I think the "Z71" package is a waste of money? ;)

Ric

03-21-2005, 10:03 AM

It's nice and firm...Uh...I mean....It's a 3.73. Both our trucks are 3.73 gears. But the milage we recorded was going above 70 mph. On one tank she was averaging 85 mph (most of the time traveling above 90), and the thing still got 19.x mpg!

I think the manual helps MY truck do better than the same thing w/an auto, but her truck does even better than mine, even saddled w/an auto.

I agree that it is getting harder and harder to get sticks, and that pisses me off to no end. I would have a '03 or newer (because of the engine not the "nose") chevy 1500 5.3 right now instead of my '96...if you could get a stick. But I refuse to sell my '96 because you can no longer get an x-cab 1500 w/a stick! Grrrr.

As for the 1500 Z71, what would anyone want that for?? You're paying a premium for basically a decal kit. And yes, the shocks are slightly better, but those are worn out in 50,000 miles anyway. Complete waste of money. Buy a 1500 Silverado LT, Blow the 4x4 decals off the bed w/a pressure washer, and buy new "Z71" decals from the dealer for next to nothing.

Back to the manual trans's though, it's lame you can't get them anymore. I'd so love to see that Chevy 5.3 w/a medium duty (read: efficient) six speed and 4.11 gears. I bet you could pull 23 mpg out of that combo with some smooth, heads up driving!
I wasn't aware that the manual trans wasnt available but it goes hand in hand with the half ton crew Z71 being available in ONLY 5.3L with 3.42 OR 4.10 ratios. Makes me think of a grocery getter. (Which may be the market for all I know) How will GM ever know? If you don't offer a horse, how do you know if it'll be marketable??

Thrall

03-21-2005, 10:07 AM

Didn't read the whole thread, but I can't really give you a good reason NOT to buy it. I'm not a Ford guy at all, but I just tugged my PS 450mi yesterday w/ my company truck. 05' F150 5.4, 3.73's, auto. It pulls great. 85mph on the freeway (Phx to Albq) w/ the cruise on and still pulled down almost 12mpg. The truck pulls great for a gasser!

ski_king

03-21-2005, 10:11 AM

Mag,

Did you get the truck?

Thrall

03-21-2005, 10:12 AM

I wast aware that the manual trans wasnt available but it goes hand in hand with the half ton crew Z71 being available in ONLY 5.3L with 3.73 OR 4.10 ratios makes me think of a grocery getter. (Which may be the market for all I know) How will GM ever know? If you don't offer a horse, how do you know if it'll be marketable??
This auto trans only BS really irks me too. I've had a couple '90 GMC's w/ the 350 and a 5 speed and they pulled trailers better than any 1/2 ton auto I've had. Dodge hasn't offered a manual trans in their 1/2 tons w/ 360 motors since 93.
Doesn't any one like to drive anymore. I'd much rather "row my own" than listen to an auto shift back and forth when it wants to!

Mag_Red

03-21-2005, 11:06 AM

Mag,

Did you get the truck?My daughter and I went up and looked at the truck again. I then had her try of the back seat in the super crew cab. Obviously she liked the comfort of the crew cab. I'm really torn about the difference between the 5 1/2' and 6 1/2' beds. I know I'll probably put a tool chest back there, so with the crew cab all I'll have left is about 3'. Then I'm thinking about all the luggage two teen age girls bring to the lake :rolleyes: In my Slverado X cab, they can slip it beneath the back seat. With the Ford, there is no room under the seat. Hell............I just don't know what to do now :rant:

ski_king

03-21-2005, 11:17 AM

After a number of years using the 6 1/2 foot bed, I believe I could live with the 5 1/2 foot bed. My biggest problem would be when I am hauling lumber as it is difficult hauling anything longer than 8 ft. now.

I have had a tonno cover on my truck since new and love it and use the bed as a big trunk. They have tonno covers (http://extang.com/docs/toolboxtonno.html) now that work with the tool boxs.

Go with what suits you best. For me it wold be the SuperCrew.

Ric

03-21-2005, 11:25 AM

My daughter and I went up and looked at the truck again. I then had her try of the back seat in the super crew cab. Obviously she liked the comfort of the crew cab. I'm really torn about the difference between the 5 1/2' and 6 1/2' beds. I know I'll probably put a tool chest back there, so with the crew cab all I'll have left is about 3'. Then I'm thinking about all the luggage two teen age girls bring to the lake :rolleyes: In my Slverado X cab, they can slip it beneath the back seat. With the Ford, there is no room under the seat. Hell............I just don't know what to do now :rant:
dont know about ford, but the Chevy half ton crew's 5.5 ft bed was shortened by lopping off the front, killing my use of my old favorite floor box that nestled nicely between the wheel wells and bed front. Depending on the tool box you use, your ford may also have a shortened space in front of the wells, I dont know.

Mag_Red

03-21-2005, 12:17 PM

dont know about ford, but the Chevy half ton crew's 5.5 ft bed was shortened by lopping off the front, killing my use of my old favorite floor box that nestled nicely between the wheel wells and bed front. Depending on the tool box you use, your ford may also have a shortened space in front of the wells, I dont know.it's exactly the same, but I was thinking about getting a box that would mount inside the box. With the sides as high as they are on the Ford, I'm thinking it would be easy to find a 4' wide box that wouldn't sit above the rail. That way I could put a bed cover on. At this point though.....I'm thinking of just putting another 112,000 miles on the Silverado.

Ric

03-21-2005, 12:32 PM

it's exactly the same, but I was thinking about getting a box that would mount inside the box. With the sides as high as they are on the Ford, I'm thinking it would be easy to find a 4' wide box that wouldn't sit above the rail. That way I could put a bed cover on. At this point though.....I'm thinking of just putting another 112,000 miles on the Silverado.
My old favorite box sits in the floor and is short enough to fit under the bedrails like you need but 4' wide is no good for me since I want to be able to reach inside the box from the side of the truck.
now I'd bet that there is already an under the rail box maker working on a fine new design for these psuedo bed trucks which will allow your tonneau and my side access needs, but I haven't done the research.

jimmer2880

03-21-2005, 06:55 PM

You all should look at www.hmfinc.com (http://www.hmfinc.com) for their bed box setups. Very nice. I have one in my truck & can't live without it. I've had my JD 318 fully-decked out with PTO bagger, 200lbs of weight in the front & filled ag-tires on top of it. Can't say enough about those boxes. They are built durable!

jimmer2880

03-21-2005, 06:56 PM

You all should look at www.hmfinc.com (http://www.hmfinc.com/) for their bed box setups. Very nice. I have one in my truck & can't live without it. I've had my JD 318 fully-decked out with PTO bagger, 200lbs of weight in the front & filled ag-tires on top of it. Can't say enough about those boxes. They are built durable!

Ohh yea - since I know the owner, I'm sure he'd do one of those group things we can't do on here anymore.

6ballsisall

03-21-2005, 08:54 PM

it's exactly the same, but I was thinking about getting a box that would mount inside the box. With the sides as high as they are on the Ford, I'm thinking it would be easy to find a 4' wide box that wouldn't sit above the rail. That way I could put a bed cover on. At this point though.....I'm thinking of just putting another 112,000 miles on the Silverado.

I saw that earlier this year on another auto website and really liked it. The link you provided never said if it's going to make production. It's a slick looking SUT (Sport Utility Truck) Imagine if it was classified as a Sport Lowered Utility Truck :D
http://media.ford.com/newsroom/images/fordcom/bn/ExplSportTracConcept_01_HR.jpg
http://media.ford.com/newsroom/images/fordcom/bn/ExplSportTracConcept_02_HR.jpg

Leroy

03-22-2005, 10:14 AM

When I look at this, it will change the market when it comes out. Has a really nice look. I couldn't see if it's sooner or later either.

jsonova99

03-22-2005, 10:17 AM

what's it got under the hood?

Mag_Red

03-22-2005, 10:25 AM

what's it got under the hood?supercharged 4.6 or 4.8 L 390 HP

Stritt

03-22-2005, 12:03 PM

I have a 2004 Screw Lariat 5.4 w/ 3.73. No problems, Pulls the boat like there is nothing back there. Only regret, go with the 4 doors! Next one I get will be the 4 door model. I went with black (of course), down here it is a little easier to keep clean!

Mag_Red

03-22-2005, 12:21 PM

I'm now leaning towards the Super Crew............as long as I have my trusty Chevy I won't have to worry about putting ladders on the top of the new truck :headbang:

Thrall, Dodge offered a 5 speed and the 360 cu.in. in their 1/2 ton trucks at least as late as 1999, and probably at least until they changed in 2002. My father-in-law has a 1999 Ram 1500 with the 360 and a 5 speed. I loved the 5 speed in my Ram 2500 with the Cummins engine; I wouldn't even consider buying a diesel with an automatic, but that's just my preference.

Storm861triple

03-25-2005, 10:51 AM

What that an x-cab? Or like a work truck? That's interesting to know and might be a good truck (for me) to keep and eye out for. Does he calculate his gas milage and if so, what does he get?

-Tom

_JR

03-27-2005, 10:41 PM

gotta get the 4 door model, you will thank yourself later... :)

Just hit 20k on my 04 F150 4x4....no problems and lots of towing...

only issue that I have heard of is problems with "vibrtation" in the front end...dealers are extending the tire and service warranty on this complaint, but I have not experienced it as of yet...

Good luck with your purchase!

Leroy

03-27-2005, 11:38 PM

Any happy stories after 150-200k miles? I'm at 80k on my LX470 with no problems yet. But believe the best buys keep owners happy past 150k miles. I think the people on the board probably take as good care of their road vehicles as their water machine!

Mag_Red

03-28-2005, 07:04 AM

After conducting an exhausting search of available vehicles in the area, I have finally decided to order a new vehicle.

I don't know if I like this option or not. My wife's Expedition has it. When you back up with the boat attached all you hear is that stupid chirping until you take the transmission out of reverse.

Mag_Red

03-28-2005, 07:34 AM

I don't know if I like this option or not. My wife's Expedition has it. When you back up with the boat attached all you hear is that stupid chirping until you take the transmission out of reverse. I'll have to ask them if it would be posible to install a switch to disable this when towing. Good Point! But just two months ago I tapped a Cavalier that was behid me and it cost me $600 in repairs! :eek: Couldn't even see it in the mirrors :mad:

BriEOD

03-28-2005, 07:41 AM

You can turn it off through the control center on the dash. Sometimes I like it and other times I don't. It is very sensitive.

Mag_Red

03-28-2005, 07:55 AM

You can turn it off through the control center on the dash. Sometimes I like it and other times I don't. It is very sensitive. Something I've been acused of not being ;)

Ben

03-28-2005, 08:49 AM

Mag,
Good move on the crewcab, you will be very happy with that decision. Happy waiting......

Ric

03-28-2005, 09:30 AM

Something I've been acused of not being ;)
hey, mr. insensitive avatar, what's the ETA?

Storm861triple

03-29-2005, 02:19 PM

Any happy stories after 150-200k miles? I'm at 80k on my LX470 with no problems yet.

Almost. I have 146k on my Chev, and it seems to just get stronger. If you see my other posts about trucks, it performs exceptionally well.

Thrall

03-29-2005, 02:35 PM

Any happy stories after 150-200k miles? I'm at 80k on my LX470 with no problems yet. But believe the best buys keep owners happy past 150k miles. I think the people on the board probably take as good care of their road vehicles as their water machine!
Got a couple. They involve GM's. Had a 90 GMC 1500 4x4, 350, 5sp. Bought it w/ 70k. Ran it up to about 160k, orig engine, trans, tcase and axles. After I sold it, I saw the guy a couple yrs later. Had a 5th wheel in it hauling a horse trlr. He said it was over 200k, still original drivetrain.
Bought another truck, 90 GMC, a few years ago. It was almost identical to the first. Had only 30k on it (bought it in 2000). Drove it up to 100k w/ no major problems.

Mag_Red

03-29-2005, 02:36 PM

hey, mr. insensitive avatar, what's the ETA?Should be here first of May :wavey:

Leroy

03-29-2005, 03:57 PM

Glad to hear the long life truck stories!

Mag; do you have a dog?

Mag_Red

03-29-2005, 04:45 PM

Mag; do you have a dog? :purplaugh
Now why would you ask that?????

OhioProstar

03-29-2005, 04:56 PM

Sounds like a nice rig my neighbor loves his....Glad you are keeping in the Chevy ranks with your work truck. It is suppose to be 70 degrees tomorrow. I will drive your boat for you :steering:

Leroy

03-29-2005, 05:21 PM

I was just thinking nice new truck, cute little puppy, how could anyone think Mr. Insensitive! :D

6ballsisall

03-29-2005, 10:20 PM

Cool Mag! Congrats! Crusin for slims in the new Ford eh? Did you get the Craftsman tools with it? You will like how it pulls the 209 I believe

Mag_Red

03-29-2005, 11:42 PM

Cool Mag! Congrats! Crusin for slims in the new Ford eh? Did you get the Craftsman tools with it? You will like how it pulls the 209 I believeBeings I ordered the truck I won't know what the incentives or rebates are until it's delivered. They expect them to be better by May. :woohoo:

6ballsisall

03-29-2005, 11:48 PM

Hey maybe the incentives will include a slim like your avatar!! :banana: That thing rocks man!

Just took her truck to Powell this weekend for the first time towing. I have to say I'm VERY impressed! The power was better than I expected, especially the low RPM torque; it's ability to pull a hill w/the trans in O.D. I also like that you can almost floor it and as long as you move the gas pedal slowly, it will not down shift. But if you move the pedal quickly it'll drop a gear in an instant, ready to charge a good hill.

So any way, for the the fuel economy going down we ran about 65-70 the whole way, '92 PS 190 in tow. 15.6 mpg using a calculator. Miles driven / gallons pumped.

On the way back, 70-75 mph, A/C on the whole way, 15.4 mpg using a calculator. Miles driven / gallons pumped.

It beat my '96 w/the 5 speed. I really wish you could get her truck w/my trans....