I can't take the pledge not to politicize this latest attack in England because I saw what happened when our party "took the pledge" after 9-11. In what was supposed to be a show of support immediately after the tragedy, they did not question this administration. They were silent for so long that * and his cronies set the tone for EVERYTHING that followed based on our silence. Thanks to our silence and support, we are now in Iraq four years later. Hundreds and thousands are dead, and there is no end in sight. Everyone now knows the war was unjustified, but that changes nothing. They never would have been able to "sell" it if our side hadn't rolled over and died.

So I will not sign the pledge. Even one day of silence from us will allow this administration to get a foothold into the hearts and minds of the American people. We can not allow that. As long as what we say is true, not speculative, respectful of the victims of this attack, and proactive, WE have nothing to feel guilty about. It is the other side that should feel guilty.

"Even one day of silence from us will allow this administration to get a foothold into the hearts and minds of the American people. We can not allow that. As long as what we say is true, not speculative, respectful of the victims of this attack, and proactive, WE have nothing to feel guilty about. It is the other side that should feel guilty."

While I grieve for our brothers and sisters in London, and will keep them in my thoughts and prayers, to not delve into the reasons WHY this horrible tragedy happened would be a disservice to them, and ourselves.

And you can believe that right now, if not long ago, Bushco and his pet poodle Blair, are working on a way to use this horrible act to their advantage. Can you say Iran? I knew you could!

are what prompted me to start this thread. Do we want to look back four years from now, when we're knee deep in another unjustified war, and say, "why were we silent AGAIN?" They will use this if we let them.

PNAC plain and simple. Many people were doomed(if not all of us) when these scoundrels lied their way into power over us. Trying to isolate this murder now as an isolated attack by crazed terrorists is a political lie of large scope.

It is a political war now waged with real bombs and bullets instead of fake ballots and yellow journalism.

If we were to be silent we should turn off the TV, return the papers, pray and rage and weep away from the circus in which we die for the entertainment and profit of the people who have betrayed us into the certainty of this and done nothing except make it more certain and worse.It is OUR sorrow that blinds us and that politicians of evil guile exploit this day without remorse or compassion. If we refrain THEY do not and ooze into our sympathies in such a way that the real problems and the future victims will never stop.

I was thinking of a way to say this, and you've got it. Such a pledge would be another one-sided exercise that results in more innocent people dead, further domestic plunder, continued erosion of Constitutional Rights, increased hatred for America, and hence, increased Anti-American terrorism, and on and on and on and on.

Bush has and will continue to use terror to advance his POLITICS, so we must counter him POLITICALLY.

All I can remember is Daschle "standing shoulder to shoulder" with Bush after 9-11. Now where is that spineless pol? Gone.

I don't like that politicizing this tragedy is considered by some to be looking for political gain. This is not a game. I'm not trying to remove BushCo from office so I can declare "I win!" I'm trying to help save our planet from the very real possibility of total anhillation at the hands of a few awful people. I am politicizing this because it is political, and it can and will affect every damn human being on this planet. Bush will use this to further his nefarious agenda, and if we care about the people of this planet (including and especially those who are grieving loved ones, caring for the injured, or injured themselves) we need to stop him and his little lapdog Blair before it's too late.

if the motive for the attack is political, consider the issue politicized.

Right wingers didn't want to politicize the Oklahoma City bombing, or the Olympic Park bombing (our domestic terrorists), and Dems gave them a free pass. Fact is, those attacks WERE politically motivated.

is that when we're silent it's seen as agreement with Bush and his actions - the very actions that make us hated in the Islamic world and that lead to these terrorist attacks in the first place. Also, it plays into this idea that to speak out against Bush and his actions is unpatriotic, or worse, as has been spun more recently, even treasonous.

I feel for the people of London, truly. I will donate money to an aid agency that becomes involved in helping the people hurt by this tragedy. I cried when I learned about it and continue to be shaken. The people of London absolutely are in my thoughts and have my support.

But Bush still doesn't have my support and won't have my support, and it's important to emphasize that we can support the people of London, empathize with them, care about what's happening, and disagree completely with Bush and see how his actions are what cause these tragedies to happen.

We need to talk about the politics of this world that cause hate ... we complained the media wasn't doing their job for the past 5 years on exposing dubya and his agenda, but maybe we weren't talking enough about it to let them know that at least 50% of the US WANTS to hear the truth!

If anyone thinks BushCo isn't meeting right this very minute to figure out how to benefit from this, I've got some land in central Fla I'd like to sell'em. If we let up at all, they'll have framed us and the issues in a way that will be disasterous for us and advantageous for them.

If you lay down in front of a door, don't be surprised if someone uses you as a doormat.

We CAN grieve, and send our best wishes and thoughts and (agnostic in my case) prayers to those who have suffered. To London today, but let us not forget the innocents in Bahgdad and a hundred other towns across the war ravaged country of Iraq every day.

We cannot be silent - we must probe and question in a reasonable way...and we must also discuss 'unreasonable' topics too...if only to use them as mirrors to help clarify reality.

Only through reasoned discoarse can we keep the Light of Liberty shining...and dissent and differing views are a vital part of this discussion.

are probably not checking into DU today. Why must we all be on the same page emotionally today? Attacks like this provoke a variety of emotions: terror, anger, horror, sadness. The people who are feeling sorrow seem to be having difficulty tolerating the people who feel anger. I don't know why.

a mixture of anger, sorrow and fear. So can we allow for diverse reactions and coping mechanisms, since we don't all process things the same way?

After the extremist political manipulations we have endured as a nation ever since the 9-11 tragedy, there are plenty of good reasons not to "back off" from discussing this event now. Those who are uncomfortable with it don't have to pay attention. But there's NO logical reason to disparage those who DO want to discuss it civilly--this is just displaced anger and frustration. Consider that it may be MORE appropriate to direct the anger where it really belongs than to vent it on friends. Misplaced criticism comes from a downtrodden mentality. Easier to whip up on somebody close by in the trenches for some vague infraction than to tackle the real big ugly monster out there.

Could they possibly have been waiting for a politically oppotune moment to pass the thing?

That's why you're seeing this. We know they'll do it again, given half the chance. Someone on another thread made a point: now there will be little to no talk at G8 about Africa, the environment, or other issues. Now, it'll probably be all terra.

Is it too much to presume our top politicians are going to use this incident for- gasp!!- political purposes? I think not. I think there are already people in Washington who shed a few tears and then got to the important business of making sure they "spin this for the president". Blair's handlers are even now crafting response after response to question after question, and you know a set of those conflate with Iraq, 9/11, the whole nine yards.

I think it would be foolish to ignore the political implicaions of their response to this bombing. Yes, we should grieve, but... we should also be using our heads, even now.

Above all, look for someone to benefit from this, or try to. You already know they will.

MAJOR IMPORTANT EDIT: CBS just said terror will "likely advance up the list" or some such at the G-8 summit, presumably gaining a greater parity with topics such as Africa and the environment, and the reporter specifically mentioned the war in Iraq, and nukes from Iran and North Korea. So, * and Blair just got what they wanted. People are- once again- reminded of terror, with very convienient timing.

But will that really help the next set of families tomorrow? (And there will be some tomorrow ...in Iraq...in Africa...somewhere)

We are all grieving...but unfortunately the world does not stop spinning; and we must continue to discuss events and put pressure on our 'leaders' to stop the madness so that maybe one tomorrow will not bring us a new set of victoms to grieve for.

There _never_ comes a day when we let the government freewheel along without our advice and consent.

World shaking tragedies and decisions to go to war are not excepted!

Americans must re-learn that our function does not end on election day. That is only the beginning of our oversight of our government. Each day and the events within them require us to monitor our government, discuss the very same issues at the very same time as our government and decide for ourselves if it is acting in accordance with our wishes.

4 bomgings happened during rush hour on the central london area transport(think manhattan).

2 bombings happened on tube trains, 2 near kings cross whichis a large regular rail train station like grand central, and commuterschange on to underground transport for the city-portion of their journey.

1 bombing happened outside liverpool street towards aldgate. This isright under "bishopsgate street" and is dead center in the city of londonsorta like having a number 4 subway train blow up between wall streetand bowling green on the NYC system.

The 4th was timed later, probably because they thought the tube networkwould be stopped from the earlier attacks. Russel square is a mediaconglomerate place and has some business social clubs for the upperclass (read: white).

So the attacks all happened on the north london banking/finance mediastalking ground.

They all happened when the police went away to scotland to defend thebush criminals... using the predictability of the police focus onthe dear leaders to create an opening.

They did NOT attack the government of britain. They did not attackmajor tourists areas. THey did not attack canary wharf. AQ isusually very direct in the omens it sends by its target selections.They did not attack the monarchy.

The odd one out, in my mind is edgeware road.? Perhaps they wereintending the train to have travelled more in to the city of londonbefore that one went off? The american banks are mostly "canarywharf" so this attack was on the british finance/media.

Many of y'all might not be familiar with the locations, so i tellyou what i know, having travelled and worked around these places sothat you have some more details to consider.

Who would be foolish enough to believe the GOP won't use this tragedy shamelessly to terrify people into doing what they want? This must be fought.

The grief I feel for the victims and their loved ones and all those who now must live in more fear every day has nothing to do with politics. My fury at the US and UK poliicians that brought us all to this sorry state for their greed is a separate issue. They MUST be held accountable.

51. I will NOT let them silence me! Enough is enough. They've had their way

for far too long and look at the consequences! While my sympathies go out to those hurt and killed in London; it's because I care that I feel I must speak out.

Frankly, we all owe it to everyone killed on 9/11, in Iraq, in Spain and now in London to speak out. Because make no mistake...* & Co WILL use this event BIG TIME for their own diabolical purposes. We must not let them get away with it!

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