Calm down Stubbly. I'm not telling anybody what to do. I may be judgemental in saying people are pretenders but that's what we all do sometimes.

Now go ahead. Tell me I'm pretending. Tell me I'm pretending when I say it's the main thing in life. Determining ourselves without anyone telling us what God's will is. Determining ourselves with all our mind, all our heart, all our abilities, to find it, to discover it ourselves and then go out and do it. Do God's will.

You’re the one that sees the pretention not me. I Have no interest in claiming pretense in others. So, I have no reason to say you are.

I was asking why you have reason for saying others are. Like I asked, did you take a poll?

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Will Due 5,028

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"Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it."
- the Urantia Book

But anyways in that statement your making a number of assumptions you have no evidence to support.

Assumption1. There is a God, assumption2. God has a Will, assumption3. If you choose to let him, he can impose that Will upon you, assumption4. That we humans actually have free Will.

Without saying we are ignorant of the obvious evidence for all these assumptions can you provide anything that resembles actual evidence of your assumptions?

Edit: I didn't see the "in my opinion" part. So are you looking to discuss your opening post from a purely spiritual perspective, without us demanding sceptical individuals asking you for evidence for everything?

Or are you happy to answer a question every now and then so your preaching can continue. Often I'd swear you're getting paid by the foundation to post stuff on here.

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Doing God's will (the will of the universe) does not take anything away from a person's free will. It only adds to it

God is non-duality in Christianity so how does God even have a will? It is not an entity and therefore doesnt have the properties, qualities, desires, motivations, or needs, of entities. Its a state where everything is one instead. God or non-duality or one or oneness or whatever you want to call it is simply that state from which the whole of existence has come into being from. Nothing more, nothing less.

You have total freedom within the restrictions of what is possible in this universe and as a human being. Enjoy the full range of pleasures that are available but do so responsibility so as not to cause suffering to others. There is no other purpose or anything you can do.

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That's right and I don't know about you but to me those restrictions appear to have been put in place for a very specific reason.

That reason to me is for making it easier to realize and make a beginning of doing God's will.

Taking a different angle on this then God creates us as a spiritual being with total freedom.

We are supposed to enjoy all the pleasures of that total freedom to learn what good and evil are. If all we do in life is good we only really learn what evil is. If all we do in life is evil we only really learn what good is. We are supposed to gain wisdom of both and that can only be done by enjoying the full range of good and evil pleasures on offer. The universe we are born into and the human form we are born as limit that freedom. Society does too. Therefore within the limited freedoms we have to work with we should seek wisdom of what is good and evil. May I suggest reading the King Solomon stuff in your Bible.

Taking a different angle on this then God creates us as a spiritual being with total freedom.

We are supposed to enjoy all the pleasures of that total freedom to learn what good and evil are. If all we do in life is good we only really learn what evil is. If all we do in life is evil we only really learn what good is. We are supposed to gain wisdom of both and that can only be done by enjoying the full range of good and evil pleasures on offer. The universe we are born into and the human form we are born as limit that freedom. Society does too. Therefore within the limited freedoms we have to work with we should seek wisdom of what is good and evil. May I suggest reading the King Solomon stuff in your Bible.

Eventhough doing God's will might be religious, ritualistic or habitual. It really doesn't have anything to do with religion.

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Even though doing God's will might be religious, ritualistic or habitual. It really doesn't have anything to do with religion.

To get the correct interpretation of what is written in the Bible then you have to study mysticism.

If you dont then what you read is something else entirely. Kabballah, Sufism, Gnosticism, are all quite similar. What the Bible is actually communicating to you remains hidden until you have been taught how to read it. Your purpose in life is to gain wisdom of good and evil so you can become like God. Your life experiences as you seek that wisdom teach you that ego is evil and altruism is good. So you overcome your ego and relate to everything else as if you were all one instead.

To get the correct interpretation of what is written in the Bible then you have to study mysticism.

If you dont then what you read is something else entirely. Kabballah, Sufism, Gnosticism, are all quite similar. What the Bible is actually communicating to you remains hidden until you have been taught how to read it. Your purpose in life is to gain wisdom of good and evil so you can become like God. Your life experiences as you seek that wisdom teach you that ego is evil and altruism is good. So you overcome your ego and relate to everything else as if you were all one instead.

Yeah, that's about the size of it.

Gain knowledge, get wisdom, and to the best of your ability do God's will and make a beginning of becoming like him.