June 12th 2013 6:28 pm PT

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One. We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin, Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast. This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us. Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

You can unlock them and win their rewards;

Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;

They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;

They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are

Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).

There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.

Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.

Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.

Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.

Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.

Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.

You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team. Can’t wait to see you on Live!

Jaffa and mother nice meeting you guys… and here of all places. Remember mother next time you talk to a ms ex employee (like shane for instance) or a current ms employee ask them why the need for mandatory kinect even if you are not using it. =-)

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

I didn’t even know this blog existed until everything went mental with Microsofts policies. I was just a quiet and happy Xbox customer.

Bush O Connor

i’ve been coming here for about 8 years and i’ve never seen anything like it on majors blog. his twitter feed is gone from the side its that bad.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Was it a quiet place before?

Moro77

Read them and weep some good quotes from the guardian:

So what has been the thinking behind this controversial proposition, and why is Microsoft so keen to highlight the wider entertainment functionality of its system? “Microsoft has a corporate desire to own the living room, first identified in the mid-90s: it is not addressing consumers’ needs but Microsoft’s desires,” says analyst and author Nicholas Lovell. “Unfortunately, leaving aside the PR difficulties here, the fundamental strategy is flawed. When the original Xbox was launched, there were three contenders to control the media experience: set-top-box, PC, console. Now there are two more – smartphone and tablet – and I believe they have already won.”

There has been a disconnect between Microsoft’s concept of the consumer and the realities of a fragmented entertainment market. “I don’t think the company expected this kind of vitriol,” says Crossley. “Microsoft knows its audience will pay extra and give up more if the reward is big enough (expensive Live Gold subscription a good example), but this time the company hasn’t expressed any beneficial outcomes of its new policies. The only thing people know and care about, really, is what they will be losing. I don’t think Microsoft has thought the whole policy through, in truth.”

But let’s say there has been a thudding realisation within Microsoft that the Xbox One proposition is wrong. What then? Is there a reverse gear? “This is a very difficult question,” says Crossley. “For several years Microsoft has built its new business and console with this ROI plan as a way of justifying the astounding investment. What I’m saying is, the means and ends are intrinsically linked. It’s not like turning off a light switch; if Xbox One scraps this policy, then there’s a massive hole in its revenue projections. Then again, if it sticks with it, the outcome could be much worse.”

TonyLN

Wow, you believe what the Guardian says — and you believe what a few unknown analysts say. Congrats!

Retroact1ve

Nope I only believe what the consumers say they want and so does amazons vote in facebook:

PS4:19457

Xbone:1115

Does that clarify what consumers will and will not tolerate?

Sledg

When will people learn that voting on the internet proves nothing. The people who are angry about something vote and the people who care less don’t bother.

Take a deep breath and see what happens in the next 5 months. Enjoy the summer!

jordanariel

the guardian doesn’t exactly have the best reputation.

MotherNelson

smartphone and tablet have most certainly NOT won. it’s just a fad… it comes and goes, but consoles/pcgaming will always dominate.

Nathaniel Frost

wasn’t that what they called Facebook?

MotherNelson

Just saying. you can’t compare consoles and tablets. they’re two different gaming markets entirely.

JayD

You cannot compare them now. But think 8 years from now. Tablets will be more powerful than the Xbox/PS4. They will also be a lot more widespread than game consoles.

MotherNelson

true, but they still wont be a convenient or conventional replacement. The only factor to worry about would be the handheld market, honestly. That’s just my opinion, in then end none of us can see into the future… heck, I never saw Xbox’s failure coming : /

it’s just that right now, tablet gaming is a niche market. it’s going to have an appeal that lures NON gamers as well. My dad will never touch an xbox controller, but you’d better believe that he’s playing his angry birds lol. It’s the same with consoles. Mainstream gamers don’t just have a tablet… they have xbox/ps/wii along WITH their tablet… and some even a 3DS and PC for games. it’s not as cut-and-dry as we’d like to assume. Theres always going to be console gaming and theirs always going to be tablet gaming. They shouldn’t try to blur the lines of the two.. but knowing how corporations work and how the industry work.. we’ll see more “gaming tablets” that try and compete with consoles and more “tablet friendly” consoles that will try to compete with tablets… MS smart glass is probably the best idea of INCLUDING tablets, whereas WiiU is attacking tablets by taking the technology and making it’s own.

In conclusion: It’s all competitive, really. It’ll be fun to see how it all turns out, but I wouldn’t say that tablet/smartphones have “won” that’s like saying People own more socks than they do shoes, so socks are the dominant product… when we all know that shoes are more expensive than socks and serve a completely different purpose… yet both are necessary in our lives… like tablets have become in recent years.

CassyBee

“true, but they still wont be a convenient or conventional replacement.” — Exact opposite; they will be more convenient and more conventional. My kids spend more time playing one their tablets than they spend on their consoles; and that is just the time they spend at home.
Also by the time the next generation of consoles comes around there will probably be easy ways to hook up a controller to your tablet or phone and connect it to the HDTV. Then you truely have one device for everything.

davemcdave

And you don’t think that’s what MS are aiming for? Look at the how the XB1 allows you to access your entire library of games from the cloud on any XB1 provided you log into your account, now apply that system to the point you just made about hooking up your controller directly to your TV and BLAM!

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Facebook will collapse one day, it’s inevitable.

Retroact1ve

Right because some of these revenue streams they are so keen to mention are emotional tagging to target ads, this is millions potentially billions in advertiser funds, then there is visual drm once again potential millions for content distributors to use, then you have the challenge/achievement revenue stream to mass market potential millions again… it goes on and on. Without the kinect always plugged in policy none of these are revenue streams and the kinects go sit on a shelve unplugged collecting dust all over again and voila millions if not billions lost. Thats just one policy that is netting them so much money based off your emotions and actions. Thats not even getting into the used game bs thats a whole other matter entirely. =-) Thanks for sanity moro.

Ryan

Heyyyyy Yo Im from Pennsylvania, thats P-E-N-N-I-A, saying your ideas for what people want out of a gaming console are mamamamoronic, thats M-O-R-I-C ….a little shoutout to the 2,000,000 people that would probably agree with me if they were aware of what your trying to pull off.

MotherNelson

whatever you’re smoking….

*just walks away*

Ryan

Thats what Im going for good job, now if you could see how Im mocking The person being interviewed because they act like a ‘rock star’ and give shoutouts to their homestate like some sort of despriate last attempt at having friends youd fully understand the reasoning for the post

MotherNelson

oh..good. you had me scared for a minute there.

CassyBee

Because you could have it installed on your Xbox online and play while connected to the net, while someone else plays it off the disk while off-line. Two people get to play for the sale of 1 copy of the game. As it is now, with a little bit of work, you can still play it multiple times with only one copy being purchased.

montysan

I don’t think so, as the discs will have to come with a code to make them unique. To install I should imagine you’ll have to be online to register the code (as you do currently with pre-paid cards, which is effectively what discs and their codes will become). This mean it can only be associated with one machine. If a ‘family’ member wants to play it as well, make them be online, then Microsoft can check that the owner has it installed. It’s still better than before, but without the offline 24h restriction. No one loses out, and the whole system is better.
To give the game to someone else, require an unregister on the original console, then Microsoft know that it’s ok for someone else to register the game with the same code. My guess is this is what will be limited, as they want to restrict giving the games on to other people.

TonyLN

Maybe I am not understanding you – but I don’t think that would work. What you are saying is the exact same thing as it is now, minus the primary console having to check in… Then you still have the issue of the game being played 2 places at the same time. I’m not sure how that solves anything.

The only thing that made since (and I hope MS does) is allowing you to deregister a game and give you a new code for it.

montysan

Well, downloads on the 360 work offline without checking in. I think the new system is effectively download (someone Microsoft have almost said directly), but the actual data comes off the disc, so what’s the difference? Again, if Microsoft actually explained the exact system, we wouldn’t all be debating it.

TonyLN

Because on the 360 you cannot share you digital downloads with anyone. One the One you can share them. It’s just different, and in the long run will probably be a good thing.

montysan

Doesn’t link the link about xbox 360 roaming profiles. Do a search for Xbox 360 local and roaming licenses.

The sharing with other people is why the new system is better. However, on the 360 you can play your downloads on another machine as long as you’re signed in. I do it sometimes when I’m away. What is the difference there to a family member playing the same content on an Xbox One? When a family member goes to play that content, they have to be online, and so Microsoft can check that you (the original family member) have a license for that content. It’s not really any different to me playing my 360 downloads on a different machine.

darren williams

i dont think im buying neither on day one im just going to wait and see who is winning till then im not in no hurry lol im fine with still playing halo, call of duty, and gears of war on xbox box live

Ryan

how about a much wanted and needed streamlined way to redownload our download history when we change licenses to a new console, wait thats too consumer friendly and you might have to put some R & D money back into consumer value and we all know thats not your business model.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

That is an excellent idea. Changed consoles a couple of times and that process is awful.

deadbox102

Really, you got down voted? At least read before you down vote us.

davemcdave

Nah, too many PS4 trolls here at the minute for that to happen.

deadbox102

Oh look, I got called a troll. That’s original.

davemcdave

Sorry, not calling you a troll, just saying that there are lots of very logical posts being pointlessly downvoted at the moment due to the XB1 backlash. Heck, this thread has nothing to do with the PS4!

deadbox102

Sorry, my bad.

TonyLN

I would like to be able to get a filter for all the games I own — also, hoping that on the One they do like Steam (they can put in an on/off switch) where it automagicly downloads all the DLC for any installed games.

deadbox102

YES. With 315 gigs of DLC, I could really use that.

Moro77

Hahaha the MS bashing is reaching mainstream media, Lewis black bashes the xbone on the daily show starts at 2:00 minutes:

Not sure if you watched it but it wasnt bashing at all it was a joke especially one he found out the robot could serve beer

Dan Abo

Nobody cares. Remove the online check-in.

davemcdave

Not gonna happen due to the whole not needing the disc to play your games thing, if the console doesn’t check in then what’s to stop you giving your games to your friends and them just installing them rather than buying them? That said, it’s baffling why MS can’t allow you to play your games offline after the first 24 hours provided the disc is in the tray.

Dan Abo

Exactly. I’m not going to throw away the disc once it’s installed. Let me play the games I own offline or no sale.

Superman64

I’m not going to say anything new here, but I am still just baffled by these decisions, Microsoft. You’re acting like 360 users are going to just bite the bullet and buy the XBox One even if we don’t like the restrictions you’re putting on us. It’s as if you think you have a monopoly on the gaming industry, but you don’t. We have other options.

I’m probably just going to stick with the current gen for a little while since games like GTA V, Titanfall, Destiny, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Batman: Arkham Origins, Assassin’s Creed IV, Trials: Fusion, Battlefield 4, and the new Splinter Cell game are all coming out for the 360. But once I am eventually done with all of that…I’m going to the PS4, not the XBox One.

Anyways there’s always who says one thing and do another different thing, so polls are… inconclusive. But you can have an idea of what the people think.

CassyBee

The only valid poll I would believe would be one that was put out via the 360 to all the Gold Account holders. Short of that you are probably missing too much of the target market.

montysan

I agree with that. The question is, how much of an issue are a lot of these things going to be when people realise the implication of a 24h offline limit, for example, after they’ve bought their Xbox One and their internet goes out? I can see the backlash of some of these unexplained restrictions being worse than what’s currently happening.

CassyBee

I suspect that there will be little to no backlash. Once people have it in place it will be transparent and they will be happy. People use the internet for most of their gaming today, they are used to the internet going out and not being able to play games.
The internet is like the power. You are used to it being there and in the rare instances when it goes out you find something else to do. Microsoft has also been very clear that the One is built to be an always connected entertainment device and I am sure it will say that on the box.

Macy Slator

Where do you get that “they are used to the internet going out and not being able to play games”. Remember when PSN and LIVE went down. SO many angry gamers. I’m sure MS will definitely feel the backlash when Live goes down or user’s internet is out for a couple days.

CassyBee

That was not the internet, that was a service they felt they deserved. Anger will be directed at the cause of the problem. If the internet goes out people will be mad at their provider and not at Microsoft.

Macy Slator

But for those who purchase the xbox one and not knowing about the authentication will definitely be upset at microsoft if they’re internet is down.

jordanariel

remember when PSN was hacked, down for 24 days, and Sony waited a week to tell everyone the truth?

Macy Slator

Yes I also remember LIVE going out for over a week during the holiday. Imagine not being able to authenticate and play your games.

PSN_IS_GARBAGE

Never happened to me..

PSN_IS_GARBAGE

Live has never been down for me out here in California and I’ll attest to the fact. I have been logging in every day since Nov. 22 2005 and the most Live was down was for 2 hours at best. I have no idea what the hell people are claiming that it was down around crhistmas a few years back but I assure you It didn’t affect me or anyone I know out here at all.

montysan

I hear you, and am happy to have it online, but it just seems unnecessary for the 24 hour limit. Fine, some things won’t work while it’s offline… make it so people really want it online rather than forcing it on them.
I personally would probably not suffer too much with the 24h limit, but in the UK that can change very quickly, and you can be left without it for longer than you’d like.

Mark Jones

Are you people at MS asleep? You guys are not only going to lose next gen but you guys are going to be pushed out of the gaming industry.. Mark my words Xbox One will be the last console made by MS.. You cant do everything wrong and think there will be a good outcome… The issues you guys have now is worse than the RROD..

How can you guys be so stupid? Halo cant save you, Gears cant save you, at this point almost nothing can save you.. You guys need to get rid of the 24 hour check-ins (or always online), allow people to borrow and trade games and lower the price of the console ASAP or forever be doomed… Plus stop trying to force kinect onto everyone..

davemcdave

MS have said time and time again that you CAN trade in your games and buy used. As the console installs the entire game to your hard drive and doesn’t require the disc to run isn’t it obvious that they have to control how you sell the game, meaning the retailer has to have the system to de-authorise the game from your account, which can only be achieved if the Xbox phones home every 24 hours to update the licenses, otherwise whats to stop you buying Halo one day and then trading it back in the next as you no longer need the disc…

Mark Jones

If thats the only benefit I rather go back to the old way where you have to swap the disc out.. I dont care enough about not having to use a disc, not if it means 24hour check-in, not being able to trade games with friends more than once and not being able to sell the disc I bought on ebay or whatever else MS is trying to change with the console business..

davemcdave

Microsoft are looking at the future with this, I expect they think that physical media will be a thing of the past by the end of this console generation and are just trying to pre-empt (or kickstart) that move. Whether that’s the right move remains to be seen.

Dylan

Doesn’t explain why it isn’t optional.

Why are discs being treated as digital? why not make it optional to install on the cloud?

Dylan

It could have been an interesting feature instead of an incredibly restricting requirement.

SpitfireINK

Clearly this is a Sega moment for Xbox.
I’m at a total loss for describing how incredibly disconnected the development of XboxOne is to the gaming community. Honestly, who brainstormed these sessions and ever thought it was a good idea to “RESTRICT” play of ANY KIND? (referring to the need for internet access and the used game fumble).

I’m very much an avid Xbox360 player and have well over 300 games in my library – compared to just 45 games for my PS3 – and a mere 10 for my WiiU. — just to help put this in perspective.

This is the first time in the last 20+ years of playing and buying every system on the market that I truly feel … well … BETRAYED. (and I still have everyone of the systems I ever bought – they still work & I still play them).

So much of the XboxOne is centered around social media and networking that it feels as if everything the Xbox360 did right is being tossed out with the bathwater. Then combine this with the notion that XboxOne appears to be geared to reinvent your Cable Box and combine even more Social media content – I could really care less about this new system.

Clearly Xbox is attempting to reach a wider audience through these combined experiences – but has lost sight of those that put the Xbox on the pedestal it is today – and for that there will certainly be consequences and sells will show it.

Now would be a prime time for Apple to reveal a gaming system and trump Xbox sending it down the broken path of hardware Sega did.

deadbox102

MS, you have taken my favorite brand and made it in to a laughing stock. Now if you drop these rediculous policies and I do come back, I’m gonna (deservingly) hear endless jokes about my favorite brand of console.

Dennis Crosby

everyone there not gonna drop these policies .there put in place for a reason. complaining about them is doing nothing about the situation.if your not gonna buy the Xbox1 don’t simply said .now how about you go talk about how great you think the ps4 is on another site

deadbox102

I believe time will prove you wrong.

Macy Slator

why do you write like that? are you on a phone? tablet? are you a robot?

CassyBee

Can you say anything nice? I feel sorry for you and your negative view on life and everything. I hope someday you can find something that makes you happy so you can stop complaining about everything and everyone.

Macy Slator

who says I’m not happy.

CassyBee

You do, with all the unkindness you spread around on here. Those that are unhappy want others to suffer with them. You may not be that way on the outside to your friends and family – you may not even be willing to admit it to yourself – but on the inside you are sad and maybe angry with the world and this is your outlet where you try to bring others down with you.
It is OK, I just hope one day you find something that will fill that sad place in your soul with happiness and goodwill.

deadbox102

Wait, are you a therapist? Let me give you Phil Spencer’s and Don Mattrick’s numbers. You’ll have months of work.

Macy Slator

I fill my empty hole by coming here. I hope eventually you’ll be able to fill that dark and empty hole with all your goodness.

CassyBee

Thank you for helping me to prove my point.

Macy Slator

Yes please use that point. You do have a point right?

http://twitter.com/iamnovatribe NOVA

^ I fux with Cassy Bee! ha!

montysan

He’s stating his view about a brand he loves. He said nothing about the ps4, so making comments like that doesn’t help. I have no problem with a lot of the polices, but I’ve yet to hear a good reason about the 24h offline limit for example. You can say, oh, it’s because of lending games etc, but there are ways of doing that that don’t require a 24h limit… read lots of other posts about that if you’re interested. If they’re so reasonable, why aren’t Microsoft explaining them much better? Lots of people have tried asking in lots of different ways (some better than others), and there’s been nothing. The lack of communication about the issues that are causing the most problems for people seems to be the biggest issue at the moment.

Nate Welles

Your DRM policies are objectifying me like stereotypical gamers

deadbox102

This goes out to any developer willing. Would one of you make a Kinect game where im at a birthday party and Phil Spencer and Don Mattrick are pinatas? Name your price, I’ll buy.

dbushik

So, does anyone know of a blog similar to this one for Sony/PS4 stuff? Kind of feel I should start getting familiar with it.

MrRadiolips

TOOTH!!!

dbushik

Appreciate the troll hate, but honestly asking the question. Anyone?

slasaru

No, Sony is like herbalife, they do not need a central place, just an army of fanboys here and there

davemcdave

And an Xbox blog is the best place to ask that, yeah?

dbushik

Well, for my situation, yeah. Have to think there are other long time xbox fans that are in a pinch right now trying to figure out where to get info on their next console.

davemcdave

Ever heard of a wonderful service called Google?

Sorry, MS blog, I mean Bing!

p.s. I do actually know the blog you are after, but frankly I think you have posted here just to poke the hornets nest like so many comments here in the last few days.

dbushik

Honestly, it is a little of both, but Googling gets me the main PS blog, and was hoping for a more informed answer. But I’m hearing the main PS blog is good, so, I’ll take that as an answer.

ElektroDragon

blog . us. playstation . com It also happens to be better. A whole huge team running it, not just one man.

Rowns

Just to add to the rest of the comments, I’ve stuck by the Xbox brand since day one, I have a 10 year gamertag with a 100k+ gamerscore, and that means absolutely nothing to you people. I have spent thousands of pounds on software, hardware and accessories over the years. Well you’re about to learn what happens when you betray that kind of loyalty, it was our support as gamers that made the Xbox and 360 the consoles they are today, and it’s your arrogant attitudes and sheer lack of care for what your loyal customers are crying out for that will make the Xbox One the last console you ever make. Goodbye Microsoft, Hello Mr S.

RoslindaleOne

This should be spray painted on all MS buildings.

Sascha Ookami

I really hope somebody will do this.. its no vandalism to fight for the right of many disappointed gamers..

davemcdave

Actually, it kinda is… Gaming isn’t a right you know, it’s a luxury. Stop being so spoilt!

davemcdave

Lolz for the downvote, proving my point entirely!

Sascha Ookami

I pay for the console, the games and for Xbl Gold, MS wants my money so I think i have the right to say what MS has to do to get my money.. I spent thousands of euro (Germany) for games, I buy nearly EVERY game new, because I like most of the genres. I’m that kind of customer the puplishers want, BUT I want to do whatever I want with MY discs, even if I keep them all, it just feels wrong if I couldnt sell my games or give it away, and so on..

Andy Wilding

I was actually considering defacing the price points in retail stores lol. photoshop some labels that look like the particilar retailers ones with about £100 added on the £429 to make people not buy it lol

deadbox102

I don’t want the X1 to fail, though it may not seem that way. I believe if they would just drop the check-in policy the console would have a fighting chance. I know many are upset with the used game policy, I’m actually okay with it, but the gamers might be more accepting if they weren’t hit with so much.

Rowns

I understand what you’re saying and believe me It wasn’t easy for me to sacrifice the vast majority of my gaming legacy, but I won’t be treated as a fool, and seen as a walking wallet. The truth is, all Microsoft has done this E3 is show the world exactly what they think of the gamers they so openly ignore.

montysan

I think it’d have more than a fighting chance. Some of the changes could be great, and other than the 24h checkin limit not being discussed, I think what they’ve shown is much better than any alternatives. It’s almost perfectly aimed at me, but I can just see too many possible problems with the 24h checkin, and I haven’t seen the detailed explanation for why it’s needed.

Mik3t

Same here exactly the same situation with me

I feel like they dont care AT ALL

The thing is i dont trust them at all anymore as even if they came out and said ‘weve changed our mind’ im sure they would sneak the DRM back in after 12 months

Rowns

Exactly mate, you only need to look at how Don Mattrick replied to peoples concerns about the always online requirement,

“Fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some
form of connectivity, It’s called Xbox 360.”

If that doesn’t sum up how Microsoft deal with concerns and feedback, I don’t know what does. They honestly couldn’t care less, and are stupid and arrogant enough to believe they are going to get away with it.

dbushik

I own three 360’s and stuck with MS through 4 RRoDs and a DVD drive failure early on. I really want a great new console from MS, but the X1 comes with way too many customer unfriendly policies for me to support it. The only reason I’d want it to fail is because I think the direction they’ve gone, completely away from customer driven development and instead focusing on revenue flows, is a terrible precedent to set. It’s hubris, and unacceptable.

Brendo

“Cloud services are not important to me, I’m happy to wait until 2014 for them on my PS4.”
“$50 a month to use Playstation’s inferior network? Sign me up!”
“I want to give Gamestop my money, getting $4 back for a $60 game matters a lot to me.”
“I want to buy video games on disks. Just like my music and movies.”
“Motion and voice control is dumb, the only way I like to use electronics is by pushing buttons.”
“Developers do not deserve my money, but I have a right to user their games any way I want.”
“Kinect will spy on me because aliens work with the government to create things like 9/11 and tornadoes.”
“I prefer to play video games alone, offline.”
“Real gamers need a Share button!”

-PS4 fan

Dennis Crosby

you do realize that the cloud service that is coming to ps4 in 2014 is out sourced and only will allow you to stream ps3 games

fastharryDOTcom

there ya go…another person who knows the difference between cloud computing and streaming from the cloud…(so 2009)…

You Sir, get a “like”…..I would love to revisit all these forums a year from now…

I can see it 15 years from now when MS intros a 2 person Holo deck for the home….and all the SONY gamers say….”we don’t want that…Just give us a basic controller”..except by that time, they will be an even smaller minority that just wants a gaming system than they are now..

Brendo

I couldn’t agree more! You’d think video game fans would be more open to progress and technology. The shift toward digital download is inevitable, as is the emergence of alternate displays and controls (Kinect, Oculus Rift)

PS fans would rather stay with the current gen. There’s nothing wrong with that, but they seem to be holding everyone else back with their caterwauling about disks and offline play, which were great features 15 years ago.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Physical disks and digital downloads can exist together you know.

As for the Kinect thing, well i find it a bit pointless. The only exciting motion control technology i would like was if there was a hologram in front of me that i could interact with and manipulate with my hands. That would be pretty cool.

fastharryDOTcom

they can…but like Brendo said, they are a thing of the past…Listen, everyone loves to hate on MS..just like they did on Sony when they left out features on the newer PS3’s….or ended BC on the newer PS3’s….Interneters love to hate….6 months from now, I can’t wait to watch the rection when Sony does the full DRM thing like MS is doing now….and you know that will happen…This is not about gaming and not about SONY caring for gamers,,,,It is all business….and the future of Digital DL’s and DRM have already been written…You might delay the train..but you are not gonna stop it…

Also, the features of the ONE?…wait till the first review comes out that says the PS4 has slightly better graphics…but the Kinect voice command makes the ONE version so much better and immersive to play….That is coming my friend…and the Sony gamers will hurl diatribe at Sony like you never saw…

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Don’t agree with any of that.

fastharryDOTcom

we’ll see…it will be interesting, that is for sure…BTW, nice job having a nice conversation….and if it makes you feel better, I have a PS4 on order as well…..Another thing I learned, from the Boy Scouts when I was younger…and today after running a 5 million dollar a year online vacuum company ( I am 58)….Always be prepared for any eventuality..

deadbox102

You’re in Colorado taking full advantage of the legalization of marihuana aren’t you.

fastharryDOTcom

good one, LOL…

Brendo

I agree that a lot of the potential for Kinect has yet to be realized. I’m hoping in a few years that MS makes a version of the Oculus Rift VR helmet and combines with Kinect. That would rule.

fastharryDOTcom

Me after a hard day at work: Xbox ON, Xbox Call Of Duty, Xbox Check on football scores..

Call of Duty and fooball scores? Man I’d rather do the long a$s list you gave for the PS4.

fastharryDOTcom

Brendo..give me one more reason..I need a top ten list..

Brendo

“I want to pay $400 for a suped-up XBox 360 with a Playstation 4 logo.”

fastharryDOTcom

and the #1 Reason gamers want to buy the PS4?..”I don’t want Kinect to see I am living in my Moms basement”

fastharryDOTcom

Brendo..that is a funny list…mind If I share it on my site?

ElektroDragon

Carry on my wayward One… I won’t cry no more.

ElektroDragon

$50 a month…… try per year. And it’s still a better value than Gold.

Superman64

How are we supposed to have faith in an all digital future when you are already showing us today that the games we pay for will eventually cease to work. All of the digital content that I have purchased (and I have purchased a lot) on the XBox 360 won’t work on the XBox One, and that just makes me have less confidence in this idea of digital only games. You want PC DRM, but you won’t let us have PC backwards compatibility.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Anyone get the impression that MS are reading all of our comments and are just pointing and laughing at them?

Macy Slator

I’m with you man. I’m positive they’re not taking notes.

Superman64

To be honest…I don’t think they are. I think they’re actually probably getting nervous now, but in order to keep looking like a strong and confident company for their share holders…they are putting on an image of being confident in their decisions and their product. But they have to see what’s going on here. There hasn’t been such a disastrous console reveal since the PS3 back at E3 2005. And in my opinion…this is even worse because it’s not just because of the price tag like it was for Sony then…it’s because of all the other additional problems people have been talking about.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

I think this is far far worse than the PS3 reveal. I actually bought the PS3 on release day, cost me £425 plus the cost of a few games. Most of my game time has been on the 360 though. I own 400+ games for the 360 and about 50 for the PS3.

Sledg

If they are not, I sure am!

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

No worries mate.

deadbox102

Does anyone get the feeling that everyone else is looking at the gaming worlds reception of the X1 and is laughing? If they are not, I sure am.

Andy Wilding

We are laughing louder at them.

carjrix

THEY THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU, EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT..

Realmusik Recordz

That’s because microsoft knows whenever they drop that illumi room y’all will be back suckin there dixx

deadbox102

Believe me, I want the Illumiroom, but I can live without it. I’m a big boy now.

Andy Wilding

Illumiroom is just a gimmik like philips ambilight, next time you play a game and you’re really focused on the tv, how much of the outside of the TV do you notice? hardly anything, your vision blacks out anything outside of it.

There is nothing that can do to make me come back unless they remove the restrictions, even then i wouldn’t buy it asap.

ElektroDragon

Dear Microsoft, your ONLY HOPE right now is AMAZING EXCLUSIVES. Amazing exclusives are going to be the only thing… the ONLY thing… that will ever get me to buy the Xbox One. Sincerely, Multi-console owner of hundreds of 360 games.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Yeah even amazing exclusives won’t change my mind. Or giving me the moon on a stick.

MR-K

The exclusives should not change no ones mind at the end of the day, the amount of disrespect Microsoft has shown to the gamers is just mad, I don’t care if you are a hardcore gamer or only get on for a hour a week it is still disrespect to everyone, no one should sit back and let Microsoft hand feed us what they think we want.

Andy Wilding

You shouldnt buy into it just for exclusives because then you give them the impression it doesn’t matter what restrictions they bring in the next product, you will still buy it

Realmusik Recordz

I’m disappointed in the dis loyal fans letting play station fool u! The play station 4 will break before Christmas .. Every p s I ever own have broke on me . U saw how assassin creed crashed. @ e3. It’s cool to voice your opinion about Xbox and how u feel but to say u switching over b/c of sum small bullshxx means you always wanted to switch.

macd82

yes the 360 has always been so reliable the rrod was all in my imagination lol

deadbox102

Really, a game crashed and you blame it in the console? You call us disloyal because we are not willing to accept anything a company throws at us? If always wanted to switch then I wouldn’t have purchased 8 consoles throwing 4 away because MS stopped fixing the RRD because I had “sent them in too many times”, purchased over 300 games, have GS of 193,000 and give games/Kinects away as prizes on 360voice .com. You sir can kiss my a$$.

trickbfc1988

Microsoft just get rid of these policies. Not being able to play offline will be awful especially if someone’s connection fails because of thier internet provider..how is that the gamers fault?? And the drm stuff is not a good idea in the long run in my opinion. If you want people to buy your console then at least show that you care about the people that have supported you.

MR-K

One thing I do not get is you bang on about this “cloud” like its the next best thing but why not put say some servers aside, do the software needed so them who wish to play Xbox 360 games can just stream the software needed back to the console as I do believe this is how the gaikai works I could be wrong as I ain’t read that much into the gaikai, also seeing how this cloud is pulling raw data(I believe) from the servers does that mean even them at the low end of internet i.e 1mbps can still get full use of the cloud and be lag free?

Just want to say coming out and saying “we have a product for them with no internet its called a Xbox 360″ is just a kick in the teeth no one should be left behind all because of your mess up, everyone wants to and should rightly be able to play the next gen games with little to no draw back.

The new achievement system seems just fine for them who still cares for achievements, I will miss mine that is for sure but really the challenge system being added is really only there for them developers who really still can be arsed to carry on with the game ie like 343i, we will see how it goes.

Realmusik Recordz

The 360 wasn’t perfect but look at it now… I’m ordering pizza hut off my shxx . It takes time to get it right …and they will. Stay loyal to the brand.. Through all da b.s

deadbox102

The 360 had mistakes. This is deliberate.

Shawn Springer

If the XBOX one is all powerful.. How come you used a powerful PC to play the games at E3.. Battlefield 4 had a PC prompt button during the show!!!

Dennis Crosby

They only used pc at the EA E3 conference and at there booth because AMD is battlefields hardware partner.but there also were using the xbox1 controls too

Shawn Springer

They probably werent really playing it but as it was recorded as they were playing it.

deadbox102

It does have a GVR.

Realmusik Recordz

Major Nelson shout me out @ show tonight “real musik recordz”

deadbox102

So your MS defense has a price?

Scott Hutchinson

Remember guys you can only get your achievements in approved countries!

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Eh?

HellspawnRei

He means about the 21 countries that Xbox One will be available at launch.If you are not on these countries ,even if you import one you will not be able to do something,until your region is supported.
I asked support on twitter and they said the region support will expand from 2014 and beyond.

Nah. Just cut your internet off and you’ll have no reason to buy them.

Dennis Crosby

So you do realize that most of the AAA publishers are requiring you to have and internet connection to play there games and that for both console and pc

HellspawnRei

Yeah,but there is also PS4…

deadbox102

Like this ^

deadbox102

That’s fine. Let the game decide if I need internet, not the console.

Dennis Crosby

So your willing to buy and always connected came but not ok with buying a console that just makes you check in

Dylan

Not what he said.
At least we can have the choice to skip those games, and the developers have the choice to use DRM.

Like it should be.

Dennis Crosby

At this point we all will be spending alot of money. All of those games look great and interesting

Sledg

Yes, it’ll be a ton of fun! I can’t wait to see what new info comes out in the next 5 months.

Dan Abo

PS4 games.

deadbox102

Right now I support that statement.

ElektroDragon

Ryse

http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

I’m getting Forza 5, Battlefield 4, and Dead Rising 3 at launch. I got them coming with my console. I really like some of the other launch games too, like Watch Dogs and Need for Speed, but I can get those on the Xbox 360.

If I see a big difference between the consoles I might get Need for Speed too, o instead of Forza 5.

Dan Abo

Really, at this point, MS may as well detail the PS4 Trophy System for us. Remove the online check-in.

action man fan

If i can ask Major Nelson a question regarding Project Spark. I apologize if I’m asking in the wrong area, i couldn’t find where to go. I’m highly interested in this software/game/app or whatever it may be labeled under. However I have one question. Can I design my own characters and creating specific animations for that character within Project Spark?

Thank you, and yes I’m all in for an Xbox One!

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Don’t worry mate 90% of all posts over the past few weeks have been totally off topic from the thread they were posted in.

deadbox102

That’s not true. So how’s your mother?

MotherNelson

: / i’m watching you…

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

The new achievement system and Challenges sound great. It gives us real gamers something else to earn

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Define “real gamers”.

MotherNelson

let me…

a real gamer: someone that Has been gaming since the “glory days” They grew up either with Pong, Atari, Genesis, master system, Nes, SNES, Sega CD, Saturn, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, or Gamecube, Gameboy(and all it’s children), PSP, NDS, gamegear, Ngage, NeoGeo, VARIOUS Naomi and other arcade systems, Gameworks, or other arcade places.

Anything outside of that is a cheap façade. (or because im biased against the PS2….because I am. and im proud). REAL gamers don’t stand to take BS from the console makers or game developers.. otherwise they end up in an early and well deserved grave (remember turbographics, and Philip’s game devices… the Atari jaguar… the 3DO? They all failed.) anyone remember Traveler’s tales? Neither do I.

THATS what a real gamer is. one that knows gaming history and where gaming should be. Honestly xbox 360 failed to bring a solid gaming experience… because it focused soul-ly on shooters and had no exclusives. Where fusion frenzy? anyone? no? just me? A real gamer doesn’t give a flying flip about Gamerscore because REAL gamers have jobs or school and don’t have time to sit around building a false bravado/ego.

HellspawnRei

Wow! I guess i am a “real gamer” !!!

deadbox102

I was kinda hoping I could get in with just my GS.

MotherNelson

LOL no way. That just proves that you just have waaaay too much time on your hands. Where’s your history? your footprint as a gamer? what do you stand for? Why should the gaming community care about you? what have you contributed? who are you loyal to? WHY are you loyal to them? I can go on forever… but I don’t care. xD

I’m kidding, btw Deadbox. you’re my bff for life.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

I remember when Pac Man came out and the sit down Space Invaders. Spent my child hood doing things such as:

10 Print “I am a gamer”
20 Goto 10

MotherNelson

THAT is what i’m talkin about! the EXPERIENCE! Not the syntax!! Back then there was no “right or wrong” to being a gamer. Sega did what nintendon’t and all that other friendly competition… (before I go off topic and talk about how sony ruined that, i’m going to just say…) LONG LIVE GAMERS and GAMER’S RIGHTS TO GAME!

deadbox102

Would my 193,000 GS get me in the “Real Gamers” Club?

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

Wow, I get jumped on for having a positive opinion about something Microsoft has done. Pathetic guys, seriously.

deadbox102

You took the shot for the real gamers remark. I’m into getting achievements myself.

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

I think you guys took what I said a little too personal :/

deadbox102

I’m sorry. Hugs?

MotherNelson

don’t blame us… blame MS… they started ALL of this..

If my puppy died, and you started making jokes about it, i’m sure the community would jump you… well right now XboxONE is the death of my puppy… Just saying xD

deadbox102

I like kittens.

MotherNelson

^ FTMFW

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

I understand what you’re all trying to do. You want Microsoft to hear you and make some changes, but the thing is there’s many people who aren’t bothered by this new DRM policy. We’re used to such things because of iTunes. The PS4 will also have a DRM policy in place in the future. DRM is the future I’m afraid.

HellspawnRei

PS4 will have the same DRM as the PS3.

It will never be the same as Xbox One.
Xbox One’s DRM is against our rights as ” real gamers” ,you should know that since you are one…

MotherNelson

Not if WE don’t buy into it. Don’t give up… I never gave anyone the “green light” to this DRM business… and If I don’t give the green light… then they DONT get my green. period. Don’t give up… and I DO NOT use iTunes for that very reason… so no, i’m not used to DRM in the slightest. I’m used to BUYING a CD and doing what I want to with it.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Wow, don’t just accept things like that. That’s what they want you to do.

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

I’m honestly not bothered by it. As long as their policy doesn’t prevent me from playing games then it’s all fine by me.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Doesn’t it bother you MS dictating to you what you can and can’t do with what you have purchased? Surely you’d be annoyed if you lost your internet for one reason or another?

HellspawnRei

Yes,but you should also know that after some years you wont be able to play YOUR games,they will never be YOURS cause with their policies we RENT games,until servers are down.

deadbox102

24 hr check-in is my complaint. Many times its not possible to get internet where I live. They’re a number of households who don’t have internet because of the location. That’s why I think the check-in isn’t fair. Not to mention the arrogance of saying “Buy a 360″.

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

I see where you’re coming from. I ‘d be screwed if I lost my internet after spending all that money on a console. In that regard I do think Microsoft should really consider changing this, but wether they do or not remains to be seen.

Sledg

Don’t worry Jason, there are a ton of people excited about Xbox One. We just stay off the boards because it’s a little insane at the moment.

MotherNelson

…don’t LIE to Jason he’s a nice guy…XD

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

I know a lot of people are excited for Xbox One.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

“I know a lot of people are excited for Xbox One to fail.”

I edited it for you. No need to thank me. Sorry i know that’s childish but i couldn’t help myself.

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

Haha, tell me about it. All I see are people complaining, and those who aren’t getting grief for their love of Xbox One.

deadbox102

Yeah, we gave hugs. Well I did.

FinchoMatic

I’m excited about all the advancements in every console this year. I choose not to say much because I fear people would tend to dislike my rational thoughts towards (God forbid me saying) the Xbox One

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

That depends what your rational thoughts are and my interpretation of whether they are rational or not.

FinchoMatic

It always is in the other person’s shoes how they think another person is saying their comments. That’s the hard part about the internet. :/ Lack of knowing how another person is trying to convey their comments, whether good or bad, as well as the tone at which they are saying.

Then I would drop T-mobile and get with a carrier that isn’t trying to rip you off.

MotherNelson

Thats a lot of Change, AND early termination/activation fees just to play xbox one for another 24 hours before the same thing happens again…

deadbox102

Well I’m not home (my wife is) which is the only way I’m guaranteed I get a signal. The hotspot thing wouldn’t work for me.

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

Too bad then. I guess you’d have to wait for a couple of hours to play your games.

deadbox102

Um how would getting a connection through my phone matter if I can’t turn the console on because of no electricity?

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

Good point, lol

Shane Nokes

It wouldn’t. This also wouldn’t help you in the case of a 360 either. In fact your earlier post is a good reason for you go to Amish.

You’ll never have to worry about the no power thing ever again.

deadbox102

Have you been gone this whole time just to come up with that?

Shane Nokes

Sorry I wasn’t thinking of you at all that whole time. I was actually focused on actual important things in life.

In fact until I looked at my e-mail inbox I had forgotten all about you.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Another 22hrs mate and you’d be there. Unless of course you were round at a friends house.

Shane Nokes

They said power. If the power is out they couldn’t play the 360 anyways.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

He might have a generator.

Shane Nokes

Then in that case they would be able to power a modem, TV, and console just fine.

Come on…have you guys really gotten that weak in your logic? I’ve only been gone for half a day.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

The power could be out at the local exchange where his internet comes from so even though he has power to his modem he still gets no internet.

No MS ping ping. Game over.

Shane Nokes

Television and Telecom companies (that’s who provides cable and DSL internet) are required due to their status with the government to have adequate backup power to provide their services in those cases.

Please explain to me what this adequate back up power would consist of? What are their contingency plans in case of power outage caused by storms, flooding or any other act of God disaster?

Socal71

I live in SoCal so we don’t get have those problems, we do have earthquakes and the last thing I’ll be doing is playing a game when a good one hits.

But I did grew up back east and back when the internet was new, in the 90’s… it went out all the time. So I get that. But after a few years and improvements even during the craziest storms the internet never went out before the power did.

I’m sure there are still areas where coverage is outdated and that still happens, but that’s not MS fault.

MotherNelson

there is nothing you can say to justify it. Sorry. If sony can have the latest and greatest technology, and NOT require it, then there is no excuse. You’re 0 for 0 today. step it up.

Socal71

Unfortunately I can’t I have dinner plans, I know school is out for the summer so you have all night to ramble… or is it until 10:30 PM on weekdays? Either way do yourself a favor and meet a girl… this won’t be as important to you then…

Dylan

Do you ever have a legitimate point?

All you ever say just boils down to “deal with it”.

Socal71

When you get older you’ll understand how adults deal with whiny children. Or maybe you won’t… your generation is fundamentally retarded anyway. So I really have no faith in you at all. If you don’t like it, don’t have your parents buy it. It’s that simple. You get that?

Dylan

I buy my own things.

I don’t stay silent when a company I’ve put my faith in for over 10 years decides to stab me in the back.

I’ll vote with my wallet, and fight with my mouth (keyboard).

Socal71

That’s your opinion and your entitled to it. I respect the wallet part as I feel the same way. But I am secure in my looks, my sexuality and personal life that I don’t need to fight online.

MotherNelson

well i’m going home from work. Don’t give in Gamers. Today is my last day on “My son’s” blogs… so it’s up to you to finish the fight without the help of Mother!! See you all soon.

Brendo

Wow, what a productive employee you are. You’ve been Sony-trolling in here all day. Enjoy your PS360 big guy!

I am a DIEHARD sega fan, first and foremost. I moved to Microsoft because Sega’s hardware team built and redesigned the original xbox. I don’t support sony in any way shape or form. I LOVE xbox and wish things could be different. Brendo, you just got on my bad side. To call me a sony troll.. pfft, you obviously haven’t been paying attention to anyone here.. 99.9% of EVERYONE that’s complaining on this blog, ARE XBOX FANS. Get over yourself.

Now that’s sad. They do realize the Xbox One is selling out all over the place right now. And no matter how much they protest it will still be a huge success?

Shane Nokes

Nope. They actually think that they are going to change minds with their behavior.

Socal71

It’s not working.

MotherNelson

I’m home… and WOW. Shane is back. I thought I ran you off for good. This will be fun. By the way, I NEVER said that microsoft BOUGHT sega. So pay attention. I clearly said that “SEGA’s hardware team BUILT and REDISIGNED the original xbox” In fact, if you would learn how to google, you’d find that Xbox 1 (the original) was SUPPOSED to be backwards compatible with dreamcast, but the lack of dial up modem (and MS’s refusal of including one) made it impossible. Look up Robbie Bach. He used to do marketing for Sega. He now works for MS.

Morons… MORONS EVERYWHERE… *reloads*

Socal71

I know what you said and that was wrong. So I wanted to clear up Sega’s involvement with Microsoft. I did forget to mention that Sega was a major part of the Xbox launch with 3rd party titles.

Xbox was designed by the Microsoft’s Direct X team, hence the name. The only moron is you.

MotherNelson

HOW was it wrong? you have YET to explain. remember big chrome X, xbox? yeah. MS designed that one. Sega designed the original xbox. Most of sega’s hardware team works for MS still today. Do your research. I was there. I’m also a shareholder in BOTH companies and got PLENTY of newsletters about this back in 2000. Try again. you lose.

Socal71

The part that really made me laugh was the “I was there”. Classic. If anything you kids are funny.

Brendo

Judging by the posts in this forum, the PS4 will definitely have more… trolls.

MotherNelson

Judging by your attention span and ability to pay attention…

*just walks away*

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

True. I’ve come to realize that the biggest part of Sony fans are trolls. Doesn’t paint a good image for the company :3

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

We’re all Xbox fans though. If i was a huge Sony fan i wouldn’t be here.

Shane Nokes

It definitely seems to be the case. I was on quite a bit last night and this morning and was doing troll patrol. I was able to keep quite a bit of their attention focused on me so other people could talk.

Seems since I left they’ve run wild…and it’s the same people that were on last night. That makes at least 12 hours of them trolling.

I wonder how well Sony pays…

Ryan

and your one of them, anti- troll is the more annoying little sister of troll…and you did nothing but make yourself look disprate and alone.

Shane Nokes

Aww…so you do care? Such a cutie *pinches cheeks*

Berserk Rage

You’re the biggest TROLL ever … get a life !!!

xboxoneforlife

Not anti troll. This is a xbox site. If you don’t like us talking about xbox im sure there is alot of ps4 or pc fourms you can go chat in.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

We’re here because we’re passionate Xbox fans.

xboxoneforlife

Ok good. Ill see you on xboxone then

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

I said passionate not stupid.

MotherNelson

LOL

Socal71

You spelled entitled wrong.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

!0 years Shane, 10 years!

deadbox102

Actually, I’ve never been on a PS forum.

Brendo

Not much going on there. They’re all hopping into the Xbox forums. I guess since Sony has been so vague about their system, the PS fans don’t have much to do but focus on Xbox.

LausDomini

Will the sounds effect be changed so that you don’t think you have just unlocked an achievement when a friend signs on??

http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

Good point! It bugs me when that happens.

deadbox102

That has given me false hope many times. Stupid Mile High Club.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

That’s a good idea.

Sean Mccoy

bet your hurting now microsoft

Shane Nokes

They are hurting so bad that they are laughing all the way to the bank.

They’ll wipe their tears with fat stacks of cash.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Meanwhile back in reality…………

xboxoneforlife

How so? The only people who will be hurting is the people that think they know what microsoft is doing. If most people could actually read what microsoft has stated you would actually see things aren’t as bad as they seem.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Reading what MS has stated is why I’m upset. Do you think we’re all here complaining because we haven’t done any research?

xboxoneforlife

If you have done your research you would find no reason to be upset.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

That’s strange because i did my research and it made me upset. Perhaps you haven’t done any research so you’re completely clueless as to what you’re letting yourself in for.

xboxoneforlife

I’m sorry you feel upset. I hope your other options in gaming makes you happy. When you decide its time to come back to xbox Ill welcome you back.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

I’m not leaving mate, i have a 360. Just going to play all the next gen stuff on the PS4.

xboxoneforlife

Ok. Great well then I hope between the 2 experiences you get everything you want out of gaming.

I didn’t miss anything. I checked, found you, and sent a message. Wow I missed so much.

BTW you have some interesting, and let us say…unsavory friends.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Why unsavory?

Socal71

Is it gay4sony?

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Yeah mate, that’s spot on.

Socal71

Kind of like your back… get it…

Shane Nokes

No, you’ve been here for hours because you’re trolling.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

You only said that because I’m holding up a mirror.

Shane Nokes

Indeed, and since I’m not in the same room as you, only your reflection is staring back at you.

I see logic still isn’t your friend.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Why would i see my reflection if the mirror is facing you?

Shane Nokes

Because mirrors work on this little principle that requires the subject being reflected to be physically present. Since we’re not in the same place the only person you could be reflecting is yourself…or your fellow coworkers that are astroturfing for Sony with you.

http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

Do you lack the ability to think in a virtual sense?

Andy Wilding

No they are restrictions dressed up as advantages, at the end of it they are still restrictions.

TheDestinyUprising Gamez

anyway I will probably get both consoles anyway eventually

xboxoneforlife

Good idea!

Ivanx360xpira

I´ll wait till release…many things can change, btw, obvious I didn´t like the new policies, however, in which regards to games I think what MS showed for XboxOne was better than what Sony did for PS4…

Also, I like the new features about the achievements…

E.Nich

Guys, someone has uploaded a video on youtube of the new xbox 360’s unboxing (the one similar to the X1).http://www youtube com/watch?v=36WuZ4s4JW0

Dan Abo

“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary
console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console
accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these
prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still
watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. ”

This is the main reason, not the sole reason, we’re here complaining.

Remove the online check-in.

Xbox and Xbox 360 fan, gamertag: danabo

deadbox102

This^

MotherNelson

I leave for 1 hour and the idiocy/stupidity/trolling rises to intolerable levels O_O.

Microsoft, you screwed up big time. your own fanbase is at each other’s throat. I hope you’re happy. … and you’re still not getting anymore of my money. <— lick it.

Retroact1ve

I know when will it end. Have you checked the amazon facebook ps4 vs xbone votes. Wow ps4 24008 xbone 1367

It’s times like this where I wish sega would come back and shock the hell out of everyone!

Berserk Rage

Microsoft should’ve financed the return of Sega to the consoles market instead of creating the Xbox One with all those twisted DRM restrictions ….

MotherNelson

we all know that SEGA is a company that learns from it’s mistakes and listens to their fans! If MS can’t do it, Sega sure can…they just need the money, really.

deadbox102

I have a question about a policy I do like. When sharing my games with 10 other gamers, would I be able to play the games they have purchased?

Vloc Stransvon

I’m still not to pleased with the Xbox One with their policies but seeing as though they are going to support the 360 (so they claim) for years to come and most games I want are going to be on current gen I’m not terribly upset.

IMHO the 360 is still a better option than the PS4 as long as they support it….if at least two of the X1 policies haven’t changed in 1 to 3 years (Yes I can wait that long) I will be switching over to Sony/

deadbox102

Troll!

Vloc Stransvon

I have no reason to troll……. now if I wanted to troll I would go over to Sony’s forum and troll them about having to pay for online multiplayer even though their servers are still crappy

deadbox102

It was sarcasm. I was being called a troll and I wanted company.

Vloc Stransvon

O, it’s all good, but after the PS3 I will forever hate Sony, I just hope MS doesn’t push us to hard

Andy Wilding

Argument, flawed. moaning about crappy servers and having to pay. which do you want? so you want great servers and not pay? the price will go to maintaining the servers and make them more refined like Live. you cant say their servers are “still” crappy because you haven’t played them

Cmon, we’ve had 7 years of free service so far, thats good IMO, PSN will get better and you get more free games with PSN+ than live. Just look they are giving you a full free game, driveclub. what are MS giving you? a “free to play” model of Killer instinct that only has one character, the rest you have to pay for.

Socal71

What policies are you talking about?

MotherNelson

fail.. pay attention if you plan on commenting. otherwise theres no point of you trolling.

Socal71

I’m not the one whining on a Microsoft forum about issues that only effect a 12 year old. If the bridge fits… sit under it.

Andy Wilding

Only affect a 12 year old? they affect anyone that has morals and doesn’t like being told where and when they can play their games that they have paid for.

Socal71

Don’t buy it Andy. It’s that simple or buy them both like I did!

Shane Nokes

You can always tell who the trolls are…by the fact that they act like someone is making them buy the console.

Vloc Stransvon

first I don’t think these policies will effect a kid living with their parents much if at all
Its the Military, the college students, the people who live in rural areas with shotty connections, storms, isp, and maybe even the possibility of live going offline that most of us have issues with
lets just say if ps3 had that 24hr check up in place and their online service was down for that whole month (you can guess what would have happened)

Socal71

Thank you Vloc, No one wants to be left out. Does it suck… yes. Do I care…. No. And that’s being honest. I’ve been at this for over 30 years. Xbox One is designed for me and tens of millions of people around the world like me. We wanted this console… Microsoft researched for it, they tested for it, they know what they are doing and where gaming is going. Sony doesn’t have a clue.

Microsoft is looking at the long term. It’s at least a 10 year cycle on this console and they had to make decisions now that would impact what is happening down the road. Wait til you see what happens when Sony has to do it. Unfortunately they will lose an acceptable percentage of their fan base in the process. But will make that back and more by targeting a new demographic. It’s apparently a trade off they are willing to make and you can’t accommodate everyone in this world and still call it innovation.

It’s not so much a “deal with it mentality” as much as it’s this is what it is and we hope you can be there with us… I pre-order both consoles so again, I don’t care either way. It’s an expensive hobby and not a entitlement or requirement by any means.