This loss really hurts. The Warriors definitely should have won this game. The blown goaltending call hurt, but as others have mentioned, letting the Pacers hang up, or any team for that matter, is a dangerous proposition.

Credit to the Pacers and specifically Stephen Jackson, Jamal Tinsley and Al Harrington for hitting all the big shots down the stretch to keep the Pacers in the game.

What bothered me at the end was all the one on one, individual crap by Baron Davis. I know he made some tough shots late in the game, but was a fadeaway 17-footer the best shot we could have gotten in that situation? I don't think so.

Defensively the Warriors rotations were not fast enough to contest the three pointers of the Pacers. A zone defense is going to allow for some open threes once in a while, but not as many as the Warriors allowed. Defense and rebounding hurt us tonight.

Saturday night will be huge against the Bucks. The Warriors must get back to winning ways before their trip to Texas next week.

TMC wrote:Blame it on the refs all you want, but we shouldn't have been in a position in which one call changes the whole outcome. We just let the Pacers hang around too much.

I don't think any of us can predict the outcome had the refs done their job, but like it or not the call did factor into the final result. You can say the Warriors should have played better or what not, but in the end they did lose by 2, and coincidentally, that play was a 4 point swing...

Personally, it doesnt matter when it happened, first quarter, 2nd quarter or the last 2 minutes of the game, in the end we got screwed...

ChicagoTom wrote:What bothered me at the end was all the one on one, individual crap by Baron Davis. I know he made some tough shots late in the game, but was a fadeaway 17-footer the best shot we could have gotten in that situation? I don't think so.

You would think Baron would have seen how quickly and energetically the team played in his absence. And, how much better the team play was.

I was worried about how he would integrate himself back into the lineup and it turns out it is something that needs work.

Murphy seems to be just mired down. So much slower than he seemed to be last year.

Dun seems much quicker and better. Obviously responding to role. Very valuable to team now.

Foyle got a visit from the hand fairy. He can catch anything and never misses! Still, maybe even slower than Murphy.

The plan was to force Indiana into the 3s. Only problem is that they made about 90% of them. Still, the Ws seemed sluggish and wasted a chance to win against an inferior team.

~W~ wrote:I don't think any of us can predict the outcome had the refs done their job, but like it or not the call did factor into the final result. You can say the Warriors should have played better or what not, but in the end they did lose by 2, and coincidentally, that play was a 4 point swing...

Personally, it doesnt matter when it happened, first quarter, 2nd quarter or the last 2 minutes of the game, in the end we got screwed...

Well, my point is that there can be botched calls at any moment. It just happened that this one was at the end of the game. If it had happened in the first quarter, we may have lost the same way and nobody would blame the refs.

It was a bad call, but that call was not the only reason we lost the game. Just a convenient excuse for a weak performance on defense.

Sure, they should have done things to make the win more impressive... they should have TOTALLY shut down Indiana... but, in the end, the Pacers put up a magnificent fight and the Warriors struggled to stay in front of them. Give credit to the raging offense of the Pacers (they seriously had the hot hand from outside); don't blame Golden State's defense.

In the end, the Warriors proved to be the better team (just by a hair)... but the ending score doesn't reflect that. You can't dismiss the ref's botched call by claiming, "Well, we should have beat them by even more points!". Obviously, the Warriors were trying to win by as many points as possible... but, in the end, the officiating proved to be too much.

On top of the royal screwjob, the Pacers shot a helluva lot more free throws than the Warriors.

I did not get to see the game (still out of town), so I have a question...on paper, it looks like Baron had a terrific game (24/9/9/2/3 is all-star), and yet I am reading from several comments that he went back to a lot of Baronball, one on one while everyone stood around. Is that accurate? I had thought Monta was bringing the ball up. What did people see?

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Sure, they should have done things to make the win more impressive... they should have TOTALLY shut down Indiana... but, in the end, the Pacers put up a magnificent fight and the Warriors struggled to stay in front of them. Give credit to the raging offense of the Pacers (they seriously had the hot hand from outside); don't blame Golden State's defense.

When you allow a career night by Al Harrington from 3pt land (6-8!!!!), another career night by Tinsley (his best game since his rookie season), get beaten on the boards (probably just due to Biedrins foul trouble, tho) and commit more turnovers than the other team... you haven't done a good job.

I mean, no game would be perfect. There are always few flaws here and there. You cannot expect to beat the rival at everything... but when it happens in so many concepts, it means you haven't played a good game. In this case, we played fairly well on offense... but not much on the other side of the court.

btw, Indy's offense hasn't been "raging" since Larry Bird stepped down as Head Coach.

I refuse to blame the refs for a game we should have won easily against a mediocre team, even if they botched a key play.

coltraning wrote:I did not get to see the game (still out of town), so I have a question...on paper, it looks like Baron had a terrific game (24/9/9/2/3 is all-star), and yet I am reading from several comments that he went back to a lot of Baronball, one on one while everyone stood around. Is that accurate? I had thought Monta was bringing the ball up. What did people see?

Baron played amazingly; don't let anybody fool you of that.

The problem is, in the final seconds of the ball-game, we ran the same play back-to-back (both called for Baron to post up and shoot a fade-away jumper). Baron made the first one (with 40 seconds or so to go) and everyone went wild.

coltraning wrote:I did not get to see the game (still out of town), so I have a question...on paper, it looks like Baron had a terrific game (24/9/9/2/3 is all-star), and yet I am reading from several comments that he went back to a lot of Baronball, one on one while everyone stood around. Is that accurate? I had thought Monta was bringing the ball up. What did people see?

Baron played amazingly; don't let anybody fool you of that.

The problem is, in the final seconds of the ball-game, we ran the same play back-to-back (both called for Baron to post up and shoot a fade-away jumper). Baron made the first one (with 40 seconds or so to go) and everyone went wild.

Yeah, besides a few ill-advised shots, I think he did a good job. Probably could have done a bit more on defense (our perimeter defense was nearly non-existant), but that can be said about the whole team, not only him.

btw, Dunleavy's inbound pass lost the game for us as much as any other play.

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TMC wrote:even if they botched a key play.

That's all you needed to say. You acknowledged the screwjob. Even if you think "we should have won", and this, and that... at least you're acknowledging that we got reemed out of a win by the ref's.

I don't care if you're searching for other reasons or not; that one play decided the final outcome of the game.

I never said it wasn't a mistake, just that we shouldn't have been in that situation.

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coltraning wrote:I did not get to see the game (still out of town), so I have a question...on paper, it looks like Baron had a terrific game (24/9/9/2/3 is all-star), and yet I am reading from several comments that he went back to a lot of Baronball, one on one while everyone stood around. Is that accurate? I had thought Monta was bringing the ball up. What did people see?

Baron played amazingly; don't let anybody fool you of that.

The problem is, in the final seconds of the ball-game, we ran the same play back-to-back (both called for Baron to post up and shoot a fade-away jumper). Baron made the first one (with 40 seconds or so to go) and everyone went wild.

Thanks...Yeah, it may have come to down to something as simple as Pacers made 2 huge 3s in the last 30 seconds. BTW, looks like Monta had another enormous game. It is odd, but with JRich out, no one is pulling their hair out, cause the best Ws backcourt is Baron and Monta, pretty much unstoppable. I know it sounds like heresy, but the Ws don't need a 60-70% JRich to win, so I hope he rests up and comes back completely healthy. When does Ike come back, cause they could use his inside presence?

TMC wrote:btw, Dunleavy's inbound pass lost the game for us as much as any other play.

How can you say that???

The game was already over; there was only ONE second left on the clock. Without Derek Fisher, the only guys we have capable of making a shot like that are A) Baron Davis, who was triple-teamed and B) Jason Richardson, who was out with a bum ankle.

The game was as good as done. Even if Golden State got the ball, there's no way they'd have made the shot.