Let’s face it, no one would like to face the Sunday morning political shows to defend Donald Trump after recordings of lewd comments he made 10 years ago were made public. The comments are indefensible other than to say Hillary and Bill have DONE much worse than what Trump SAID. All that aside, Rudy Giuliani had the unenviable task of defending Trump with Jake Tapper of CNN.

The CNN host pressed Giuliani on why voters should still support or vote for Trump in light of the latest scandal.

Giuliani characterized Trump’s comments as “horrible remarks you don’t want to hear from anyone, much less a presidential candidate.” But the former New York City mayor said that he doesn’t believe those comments “reflect what Trump thinks” today, while noting that Trump apologized for the comments.

“The question is: Is this the one issue on which we should decide [the election]?” Giuliani went on to rhetorically ask, before attempting to turn the interview around and focus on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and her shady practices as secretary of state.

However, Tapper wasn’t having any of it. He immediately began to press Giuliani once again over Trump’s newest scandal, while noting that many people felt like Trump’s apology wasn’t a real apology.

“He’s talking about actions that are sexual assault. He was 59 or 60-years-old when he said it, this wasn’t something he said when he was 18 years old,” Tapper said. “He’s talking about a feeling of entitlement because he’s a star. He can go up to women and grab them by the vagina, and it’s okay, he won’t get in trouble for it. It’s really offensive on just a human level. Who did he do this too?”

Giuliani dismissed Tapper’s strong words by calling the scandal “just talk,” then went on to say that those criticizing Trump might be hypocrites for “throwing stones.”

“I will gladly tell you, Mr. Mayor: I have never said that. I have never done that. I’m happy to throw a stone,” Tapper shot back. “I don’t know any man — I have been in locker rooms, I’ve been a member of a fraternity; I have never heard any man ever brag about being able to maul women because they get away with it. Never.”

“The fact is men, at times, talk like that — not all men, but men do,” Giuliani defended.

The Trump campaign sent Giuliani on nearly the entire Sunday talk show circuit to defend Trump in light of the scandal. He made headlines earlier Sunday after he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that what Trump was referring to in the leaked audio was, in fact, “sexual assault.”

Mr. Giuliani had the unenviable job of defending Trump from indefensible comments, however, Mr. Giuliani probably should not have admitted that the comments were indeed sexual assault. Regardless, how Mr. Trump will respond to this is the make or break event of the election. The Clintons will do or say anything to win. They will lie, cheat, steal and kill… now it’s time to see if Mr. Trump will engage in full-fledged politics, choose a high ground, or dive into the gutter with the Clintons.