Yup - I mean it's like...Chineese subs - so what? I mean - it's not like they're humans with feelings and ideas of their own or are capable of forming their own opinion. Unlike us Westerners and Europeans - who are the only ones who count as real human beings.

(/sarcasm)

PS. If somebody here says "But they have a different subscription pay model!" - I'll print out this post, fold it into a paper airplane, and throw it just over your head....

The subscription pay model is not that important. The ARPU (Average Revenue Per Unit), on the other hand...

Yeah. The China "subs" are nowhere near as important as western subs. Korean/Taiwan subs, on the other hands, are probably closer.

"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson

Will you give it a rest?! You know full well what the main talking point of this thread will be, if you wish to discuss your investment and the financial performance of ATVI might I suggest a forum that is dedicated to stocks and shares rather than spending your time attacking people on a gaming forum.

Pann, What? you dont like factual inaccuracies challenged, is that it? Or, you dont like having your culture of Blizzard bashing challenged? Which is it? As far as your suggestion, well... nah, I dont need the infraction.

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Pann, What? you dont like factual inaccuracies challenged, is that it? Or, you dont like having your culture of Blizzard bashing challenged? Which is it? As far as your suggestion, well... nah, I dont need the infraction.

See you are attacking people again, to offer an opinion about Blizzard that as positive as you see them is not "Blizzard bashing." Even it that was the case why would you care? Blizzard is a company, it is an inanimate entity, it has no feelings that are going to be hurt you do not need to defend its (metaphorical) honour.

See you are attacking people again, to offer an opinion about Blizzard that as positive as you see them is not "Blizzard bashing." Even it that was the case why would you care? Blizzard is a company, it is an inanimate entity, it has no feelings that are going to be hurt you do not need to defend its (metaphorical) honour.

Not defending anyone's honour... challenging inaccurate facts and baseless assumptions.... That said, I've often wondered if you were a shill EA or GW, compensated to cause trouble, or if you just do it out of the goodness of your heart.

--- Want any of my Constitutional rights?, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕI come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal. -- Note to mods: if you are going to infract me have the decency to post the reason, and expect to hold everyone else to the same standard.

Not defending anyone's honour... challenging inaccurate facts and baseless assumptions.... That said, I've often wondered if you were a shill EA or GW, compensated to cause trouble, or if you just do it out of the goodness of your heart.

You do come to the defense of blizzard any time someone says something remotely negative about them. At least you quit humanizing the game saying it was peopls ex girlfriends

I predict that those that hate Wow/Blizzard will make a big deal out of even a tiny loss;
I predict that those that hate Wow/Blizzard will accuse Blizzard of faking the numbers if there is any sub increase;
I predict that the sun continues to rise in the east;
I predict that those that enjoy the game will continue to enjoy the game regardless of a sub increase or sub decrease.

I predect that the fanboys will say that the continued sub-loss trend is no big deal.

I couldn't find a single person in this thread who predicted a gain in subs. Even the most optimistic are just hoping for "holding steady". Whatever the number, it seems lkely to be a decrease from the last one. That can't be good.

You do come to the defense of blizzard any time someone says something remotely negative about them. At least you quit humanizing the game saying it was peopls ex girlfriends

if pointing out inaccurate facts or outright lies is 'defending' Blizzard then color me guilty.

--- Want any of my Constitutional rights?, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕI come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal. -- Note to mods: if you are going to infract me have the decency to post the reason, and expect to hold everyone else to the same standard.

Ya, so any effect Age of Wushu could of put on WoW East (China) will not be shown until prbly August time, even by than anything could change. Final Fantasy 14 ARR releases this summer & could cripple both WoW East (China) & Age of Wushu or WoW East (China) could pick right back up again.

Last edited by Arbs; 2013-05-08 at 06:02 PM.

Originally Posted by Slant

TL;DR: Did raiding kill WoW? Nope. But catering the game to people who clearly shouldn't be playing it did.

Not defending anyone's honour... challenging inaccurate facts and baseless assumptions.... That said, I've often wondered if you were a shill EA or GW, compensated to cause trouble, or if you just do it out of the goodness of your heart.

Can you not write a post without insulting someone? As I have already pointed out you are posting on a gaming forum if you wish to indulge in debate with those that have a higher level of knowledge and understanding about financial matters you would be better off looking for a site that focuses on such subjects. You were attacking the poster because he said "...insists on neglecting it's product..." which like most things written here is an opinion the argument he presented as to why he had reached this opinion was neither baseless or inaccurate unless you believe that it is possible for a company to maintain profitability when faced with a falling number of customers without their remaining customers paying more.

Interestingly you recently wrote; "Given that I offered an opinion with saying 'I think that the merging of servers would cause more loss of income' then it is in fact an opinion... do you want me to prove that I have an opinion, is that what you are wanting proof of? Or, have you misread what I said and construed it as a claim of fact? " does this only apply yours? Why did you feel the need to attack his opinion?

As I said before there is no reason to attack to anyone here, Blizzard do not care if someone on a forum does not think they are wonderful and equally they do not care that you do.

See you are attacking people again, to offer an opinion about Blizzard that as positive as you see them is not "Blizzard bashing." Even it that was the case why would you care? Blizzard is a company, it is an inanimate entity, it has no feelings that are going to be hurt you do not need to defend its (metaphorical) honour.

Bashing = unfounded or excessive negative publicity/reviews? and it does hurt companies?

I'd rather have blatant fanboism because I am convinced that humans beings are capable of forming their own opinion after trying a product and at least it only benefits the company on the initial purchase. A.k.a "You should try it at least once."

That being said I find this thread to have an unusual amount of actual personal opinions and reviews that answer the OPs question. My two cents is that WoW is going to be losing some ground despite an awesome xpac, with all SC2 xpac doing awesome =D

Bashing = unfounded or excessive negative publicity/reviews? and it does hurt companies?

I'd rather have blatant fanboism because I am convinced that humans beings are capable of forming their own opinion after trying a product and at least it only benefits the company on the initial purchase. A.k.a "You should try it at least once."

That being said I find this thread to have an unusual amount of actual personal opinions and reviews that answer the OPs question. My two cents is that WoW is going to be losing some ground despite an awesome xpac, with all SC2 xpac doing awesome =D

Rather than dismissing negative publicity and reviews as bashing the first thing any company should do is look to see if there is any substance to the publicity and reviews. Situations where there is no substance and the image of the company is harmed are the reason why liable laws exist.

What I am talking about is the constant attacking of anyone that does not praise Blizzard, ultimately the opinion of anyone on these boards be it positive or negative is not going to cause anyone at Blizzard to lose any sleep.

Look, Pann, Sir. You will not bully me out of this thread. Period. If you dont like what I have to say then mute me.

My prediction for the call is as follows. If income goes up you'll say it was because they got it from transfer fees and you'll have a fit.
if income goes down you'll trumpet it as 'I was right, see, now maybe they'll fire GC and do it my way.

if sub numbers go down, you'll herald it as if income went down.
if sub numbers go up you'll accuse them of fabricating the numbers.

furthermore, if income ranges from flat to an increase I'll be pleased.

There... those are my predictions.

--- Want any of my Constitutional rights?, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕI come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal. -- Note to mods: if you are going to infract me have the decency to post the reason, and expect to hold everyone else to the same standard.

Rather than dismissing negative publicity and reviews as bashing the first thing any company should do is look to see if there is any substance to the publicity and reviews. Situations where there is no substance and the image of the company is harmed are the reason why liable laws exist.

What I am talking about is the constant attacking of anyone that does not praise Blizzard, ultimately the opinion of anyone on these boards be it positive or negative is not going to cause anyone at Blizzard to lose any sleep.

Pretty much what I have noticed seems there is a group of people that think you have to praise Blizzard or GTFO

Look, Pann, Sir. You will not bully me out of this thread. Period. If you dont like what I have to say then mute me.

My prediction for the call is as follows. If income goes up you'll say it was because they got it from transfer fees and you'll have a fit.
if income goes down you'll trumpet it as 'I was right, see, now maybe they'll fire GC and do it my way.

if sub numbers go down, you'll herald it as if income went down.
if sub numbers go up you'll accuse them of fabricating the numbers.

furthermore, if income ranges from flat to an increase I'll be pleased.

There... those are my predictions.

My predictions are that if subs go down "the group" will down play it and say it does not matter. X million more than any other game! people will be called haters

if subs go up "the group" will tell everyone how great the game is and we are wrong and just haters.

if subs stay the same "the group" will tell everyone how great the game is and we are wrong and just haters.

Funny thing I got infracted for saying fanbois and white knights before but its ok to call people haters.

I predect that the fanboys will say that the continued sub-loss trend is no big deal.

I couldn't find a single person in this thread who predicted a gain in subs. Even the most optimistic are just hoping for "holding steady". Whatever the number, it seems lkely to be a decrease from the last one. That can't be good.

I know there will be at least 1 less subscriber as I've handed mine in 2 weeks, the game have undergone changes towards causality and children to such a degree that it's beyond the famous "evolving".Anyone who started playing from day one will know what I am talking about

A company that wants to pride itself on delivering class A products, should at bare minimum work for having a thriving community, with all their aforementioned changes they are going in the completely opposite direction.
The most funny thing of it all is, subs have gone down as have the game play, and community since they started implementing all these "quality of life" and "catch-up" mechanics just to ensure everyone was the same.

The "legacy" if you will that I will be remembering blizzard for when it comes to WoW, is the hack and slash job they managed to pull off.