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I didn't say it shocked me, I said it surprised me. It's a pretty different thing, huh?

So wait, this surprised you yet all the plot twists in Hoenn didn't?

Ash losing to Brawly, throwing a temper tantrum, and then spending a training arc on Dewford wasn't a surprise? Ash beating Wattson in a the blink of an eye with only Pikachu and then returning 10 episodes later to lose to his Manectric wasn't surprising?

Ash not getting all the starters for once wasn't surprising? Ash actually training and evolving his Pokemon wasn't surprising? A greater emphasis on the Pokemon personalities wasn't surprising? May and Jessie both capturing Wurmple wasn't a shock?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg for stuff they did in AG that they never did before. I could go into May's arc too, but I won't.

Do you even remember any of the above happening? There was tons of stuff they did in Hoenn that shocked people when the episode titles were first revealed, and D/P does the same, why is this so suprising?

The fact that I actually have to list this stuff amazes me, because the only reason you wouldn't know about this is if you didn't watch much of AG.

Multiply that by about 400X, since Onix is huge, and that's what Pikachu felt.

That sounds incredibly painful, no pun intended. But still, no matter how powerful a Screech attack is, it's kind of embarrassing to be defeated by a move that doesn't even have offensive purposes. You have to admit that.

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What I want to know is how ash managed to pull off a victory against regice. Ash has so much experience and knowledge that he shouldn't have any problems against an opponent, well at least not with pikachu by his side he shouldn't. I mean come on how does this happen. It's ridiculous and embarrasing the way he lost. But I guess no matter how much he has expierienced and learned he wont put that to the challenge. Im not bashing on ash just for his loss but also for his poor battle style. I expect more.

For the record his so called win against Regice was rather cheaply done. I mean we don't know if Regice was using Rest or Curse but most assumed Rest in which case it's hard to believe it fell to a smiple VT after it had used the move.

But my only concern is about how shinji is this good. He is really something else. I dont know about you guys but I dont think shinji is an average trainer. For that type of skill and confidence requires a really keen trainer. I like shinji a lot but sometimes I wonder how easy he makes these things.

The one thing i find funny when i watched Shinji's battle is that he battles just like Ash did pre AG using the more power less strategy approach.>>

I have one question(since i don't understand japanese), did Shinji notice Mukubird at all, or is he somewhat blind?

So wait, this surprised you yet all the plot twists in Hoenn didn't? Yep.

Ash losing to Brawly, throwing a temper tantrum, and then spending a training arc on Dewford wasn't a surprise? What's so surprising about that? I didn't say I was surprised by Ash losing to hyouta, I did say I was surpresied by the good episode I had just watched. Team Rocket got a hell of a grea time on it, that surprised me, and I had a very good time watching it. But, Ash lsing? C'mon, I read spoilers, and wins & losts aren't always surprising. Ash beating Wattson in a the blink of an eye with only Pikachu and then returning 10 episodes later to lose to his Manectric wasn't surprising? Why would it be? O.o

Ash not getting all the starters for once wasn't surprising? No. I always knew he was going to get only Treecko since Brock got Mudkip (that was surprising!) and May got Torchic. Why on earth would Ash have a Pokémon his partners already had? Ash actually training and evolving his Pokemon wasn't surprising? ??? That's what he's supposed to do, don't you think? I gotta agree Hoenn had more evos than usually, but still, the evos were always out-of-the-blues... =/ A greater emphasis on the Pokemon personalities wasn't surprising? That has happened before, AG just repeated this formula, like you say D/P does. May and Jessie both capturing Wurmple wasn't a shock? That was pretty obvious, too. you just had to think a little, huh? just obvious.

Do you even remember any of the above happening? What you think? Of course I do, I watched the w-h-o-l-e Pokémon series till its beginning. Hoenn bothered me, and that's it. =/ I remember ehn May caught that cute Skitty and it always jumped out of its ball, I was so entusiasmatic about it, and... What did they do? Stopped it. They stopped the very first thing I actually loved in AG from happening. Cool. There was tons of stuff they did in Hoenn that shocked people when the episode titles were first revealed, and D/P does the same, why is this so suprising? Only blind people like you, who were so happy that Misty left that could not see the boring and kiddish (yeah, kiddish) thing they were watchig. ;- )

The fact that I actually have to list this stuff amazes me, because the only reason you wouldn't know about this is if you didn't watch much of AG. Oh, really? You can ask me ANYTHING, I dare you to do that, about AG, 'cause I watched that whole boring thing. The.whole.thing.

And, like you love to skip some parts of my replies, I'm quiting this. You're a good writer, you might be cool and all, but... you just won't stop this pointless whole thing.

That really reminds me of this ShinjixHikari fancomic I read a while back o.o.

Anyway, this episode was good. The animation was good, the way the battle ended was unexpected, Hyouta seemed better than last episode (maybe because he managed to win this episode =o) and the build up for the next episode was good.

The only thing that managed to annoy me during the episode was my mom asking whether Hyouta was male or female halfway through the episode. Yeah.

He doesn't have to like AG instead of DP, it's not the end of the world.

It's she. You know, previously my brother owned this account, but since he passed away... Well, I'm here. I just gotta change this username now, I don't like it. And I use "-Nozomi" in the end to remark I'm a girl. :- )

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

D/P has delivered us plot twists, but he/she is saying we never saw stuff like this before in AG.

I'm not! :S
Are you crazy, Cyber? Hell, I'm just saying that I think these series are different, being D/P better. What's so wrong with that? I'm not forcing anyone to believe in what I do, I'm just explaining myself, ok?
Don't get me wrong.

EDIT: Yeah, Kojiro's post woke me up. Let me correct myself: It's better than AG 'till now. It can really get worse and boring too, I gotta wait to compare them for realZ, y'know... But, at the moment, I do prefer D/P over AG.

Eh, I consider DP and AG at about the same level at the moment (which is good in my opinion), but DP could either go up or down, but looks as if it may go up if this trend of good episodes continue.
Eh...Cyber?

I disagree, and elitist would be pretending all the new stuff sucks compared to the old.

The D/P series is great, and I've always said the only episode I hated was the one where Ash caught Naetle, because it was such a boring capture episode. But unlike other people, just because I like D/P doesn't mean I'm going to forget all the great stuff AG did as well.

D/P is very well done, they just have to be careful with Shinji and figure out what the hell they're doing with Team Galaxy. The latter doesn't exactly fill me with confidence since we're up to D/P 19 now...

...so what's with Iwane giving Zugaidos those beady lil' pupils? I mean, Zugaidos looked more on-model than it did in Shimura's episode, yet for some bizzare reason he felt it's eyes needed to be completely different. It wasn't a bad change or anything, but it was certainly strange. But anyways...

It was a decent episode, and I found the battles to be fast paced and enjoyable, as they should be. I also liked the speil between the characters before the match, particulary Hikari's outburst of rage, and her concern for Shinji's Hikozaru and Elekid.

From the way things were going, it seemed like Ash was more concerned with putting Shinji in his place, so he could give him a hearty 'Ha! I told you so!', rather than placing his full concentration on the battle. That's probably why the match ended the way it did. Although I think it's important to point out that Onix looked about ready to keel over after being assualted via the debris caused by Pikachu's Thunderbolt, so I'd think it would be safe to say that the Screech used to KO Ash's final entry was a last ditch effort that ended up succeeding.
I also noticed that Ash avoided going for Zugaidos' legs in a similar fashion to Shinji, and instead kept landing hits on it's head. And considering Shinji's comment to Ash in the pokémon center, it seems to further imply that Ash had Shinji on the brain during his match.

Saw the episode, I liked it alot. Seeing my favorite pokemon lose (pikachu) is not really a good thing but I dont mind it. It put up a great fight against both Zugaidos and Onix. The animation, music and the battle as a whole (including naetoru vs. zugaidos) was very good. Loved the part where Pikachu uses quick attack while Zugaidos uses flamethrower and pikachu jumps up and continues its quick attack to get close to Zugaidos and then Iron tails it right in the head. I like how Iron tail was animated at that part.

I agree Gravy, I was also thinking about that while watching the battle.

I know this doesn't belong here but I agree with the people who think that Ash's rematch will be a double battle and he'll use Pikachu and Mukubird.

I can't believe Ash didn't win! Shinji won,but Ash didn't. Ash has already lost to Shinji several times, now proving he isn't as good as Shinji.

Naetoru defeated that Zugaidosu,which is great.But Pikachu lost against an Onix? It had already beaten won at the Pewter gym,now Pikachu is much more skilled,how can he lose?
After Naetoru and Pikachu got wiped out by Onix,why didn't Ash continue?Ash still has an Aipom left,that can finish it off with Focus Punch!

Ash is not smart enough,he should use Pikachu to weaken Zugaidosu,and kill it with Naetoru,then Naetoru can beat Onix and Aipom can kill Geodude. Hope he can win in his 1st rematch,and won't have to rematch 2 times(when fighting Brandon).

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