STrange times indeed

Seriously, if yo find yourself sitting to the right of the Chamber of Commerce you need to seriously do some soul searching.

10 years ago you could not get to the right of the Chamber of Commerce....the next stop to the right of the Chamber of Commerce was an insane asylum....that stop is now a GOP Seat in the House of Representatives. If the Chamber turns its back on the GOP the GOP will not only cease to be a national party it will also cease being a regional party. The damage that is being done to this nation by the seizing of the GOP by people who 30 years ago wouldn't have been allowed a seat at a Chamber of Commerce breakfast is staggering....these nuts have driven so many moderates and even staunch conservatives away and into the arms of the Democrats that the Dems don't even know what to do with it....it is amazing to see the GOP destroy itself in such a fashion but the ramifications of this nation becoming, in essence, a one party system with one party ideas and one party agendas is scary as hell. If you on the right of the Chamber of Commerce seek help immediately.....before it is too late....

quote:“There’s nothing more important for financial stability than getting the debt ceiling raised and putting our nation on a prudent financial path, a message we have been delivering to lawmakers for weeks,” said Rob Nichols, president of the Financial Services Forum, which has joined with the chamber and the National Association of Manufacturers to press the issue.

They have destroyed the GOP as a national party...and it is going to get worse before it gets better, leaving the Democrats free reign to do all sorts of stupid shite.

Do you seriously think Barrack Obama would have been reelected...let alone elected the first time around, if the wing of the GOP that is the tea party now hadn't already pushed the party so far to the right that a significant number of Americans could not in good conscience vote for McCain or Romney? The damage that this faction of the GOP has done to this nation can't be measured....these people are the Jerry Reubens and the Abby Hoffmans of the GOP with the significant difference that they are being elected to office. If you think Obama has been a dismal failure (I voted for him twice and think this) just wait until the tea baggers openly take credit for shutting down the government AND for forcing the US into default and see what happens when the DEMS have control of both houses and the whitehouse.....What damage? They have turned this nation's political system, nationally, from a bad 2 party system to a single party system...

quote:The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed – and hence clamorous to be led to safety – by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. – H.L. Mencken

re: STrange times indeed (Posted on 9/19/13 at 8:22 am to TerryDawg03)

quote:How, exactly, is this even remotely true?

Economic uncertainty is killing hiring....if you own a business today who trades with the federal Government....directly or indirectly, and there ain't many who don't, you don't know today if your gonna be paid for goods and services already provided.....if your invoicing a federal agency today for goods or services provided this or last month (or like many small businesses a couple of months ago, bless their souls) right now it looks like you won't be paid for those goods or services....as of right now you are billing a customer who you know does not have the ability to pay you....and that is not supposed to make you think twice before expanding your business???? The debt ceiling has to be raised (or more appropriately eliminated altogether) so we can avoid becoming deadbeats as a nation. Cut spending all you want, hell eliminate it altogether if you have the political capital to do so...make your case....but do not refuse to pay your bills over political ideology....that is criminal...and very destructive....

quote:.if you own a business today who trades with the federal Government....directly or indirectly, and there ain't many who don't, you don't know today if your gonna be paid for goods and services already provided

that seems like a huge red flag of a terrible symptom

saying/thinking something like this should make you go, " shite...is this real life?" and realize the system has to change dramatically

quote:and that is not supposed to make you think twice before expanding your business????

lesson learned: don't trust the government

hopefully they learn this and the government, after it contracts, has trouble expanding itself next time

quote: Cut spending all you want, hell eliminate it altogether if you have the political capital to do so...make your case....but do not refuse to pay your bills over political ideology....that is criminal...and very destructive....

What the frick are you talking about? McCain and Romney are hardly tea party candidates. They are the establishment GOP.

yes they are...but in order to secure the nomination they had to pander to the tea baggers...even before they were formed and co-opted by the Koch brothers...and the American people, in numbers large enough to make a difference, turned to Obama.....McCain not so much but there is no way that Obama gets re-elected IF it had not been for the tea baggers. Hell for several months during the primary season we saw one nut case after another, people who would have never been considered viable candidates, become front runners in the GOP because they were willing to say all sorts of crazy shite to attract the worst elements of the right. The one thing the Tea Party has done for certain is assured the re-election of Barrack Obama.....and unless something happens the election of Hillary Clinton to the whitehouse....now that is something that a conservative ought to be proud of.....