I have been running e-sword under wine and it works well. Both that, and the Gnome bible software, are useful because of the variety of material available.:E-Sword also has the Greek texts.; the other, some of the Tyndale which is a gem.

I second any comments about the unfaithful nature of most of the modern so-called 'translations'. I have read extensively in Biblical history and despite its archaic language, the KJV still gives the message. There is a modern literal version available free in html format which could be useful. Another modern version is the CEV which has plain English. Unfortunately is suffers too from the work of Westcott & Hort but is better than most and very readable.

A comprehensive accounting program is needed so Gnucash should be included.

Open Office might see a program like this being used in the office.

The RMB (rip, make, burn) program I wrote, was specially for the production copying of DVD's and CD's for our church. We need a good video editor too; both to create or fix or edit ripped DVD's.

Kino looks reasonably straigthforward to use but I don't know if it goes far enough.

For my church I need to be able to disasemble a dvd, edit it and put it back together again. Frequently the sound track needs work, levels need adjusting etc; on the video side, white balance colour correction is desirable. We have the tools for disasembly and audio editing. However we need to be able to cut and insert segments of m2v, avi or mpg and to be able to add the audio and video separately. If kino doesn't do this does cinelerra? From my brief trial of kino it seems to a compilation program. clips can be added and ordered with transitions etc but you can't put togther the audio and video in layers separately.

I agree somewhat. I think, like many more specialist software markets, the open source community will find it very hjard to put a serious contender into the picture. I don't know much about cinelerra, or kino for that matter, so can't really pass to much judgement. What do others think on the matter?_________________Cheers,

KJV is not that archaic anyways most versions of the KJV update obsolete words placeing the word in brackets or placing the original word in italics below the verse. if you notice most of the meaning in the KJV is in the arngment of the word if a modern staic grammar were used the size of the bible would need to be much larger but since the language of the KJV is already static and readily learnable (studies show the average fifth grader could write a book report on the bible hence demonstrating that they understand the language) why change? there is no good reason other than money selling more new "bibles" useing M$ like strategies ie "get the latest and greatest translation with enhanced assurity of salvation".

As far as I know all the support for digital camera connection under Linux comes from the libgphoto2 project. To see if your camera is supported see the list of supported cameras. As you mentioned though it is just as easy, and actually usually easier, to use a card reader.

In fact I've already compiled some packages for Puppy that you may be interested in.

sword-1.5.9 is the framework upon which most bible study programs are built on.

clucene-core-0.9.16a is a text search tool used by at least two of the frontends to sword that I know of.

bibletime-1.6.4 is the KDE frontend to sword.

I'll provide some packages for what I have if you're interested.

Nathan

I'd like these package if possible, I've been already surfin' around to see about getting them on an install, I was under the impression that libcurl_gnutils, and a plethora of other packages including kdelibs are needed, but if you've already got them ready.... I will humbly accept them...

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I've placed what I have on the grafpup.org server. Downloads should be reasonably fast.

For Jsword you will need, obviously, java to be installed and in your PATH, ie the os must know where the java executables are located. For Bible Time you do need to install kdelibs. I have them compiled as well, originally done for Grafpup but it can all be made to run in Puppy as well. They in turn depend on arts, qt, and I think you mau have to install a couple other packages like gamin as well. All of that can be found at grafpup.org.

Now the tricky part is getting your system to recognize everything once it is installed, because I did not put kde into /usr or /usr/bin, but rather it is in /opt/kde. I've attached a modified /etc/profile which you can decompress into /etc, and then after reboot it will recognize the library and executable paths, as well as other things like the kde xdg directories.

I also have started distributing a java package which is also available on the same server. If you use that java package then it will be recognized by the same /etc/profile which I posted. In addition there is a java squashfile in the modules directory at grafpup.org, which you can just rename to match the version number of your puppy (currently it is jre_004.sfs).

If you install Bible Time I recommend you start it from a terminal with either "bibletime" or "/opt/kde/bin/bibletime" the first few times soyou can see if it has all it's dependencies. I've noticed a few pretty major problems with it anyway though, in particular the search feature crashes the program every time. More specifically it will crash trying to create the search index. There may of course be a workaround but I haven't discovered it yet. Honestly I think Jsword is probably the better of the two programs, though.

You will also need to install any bibles you want in order for them to be available. Most of them I can't legally package or redistribute, but I did put the zip file for the kjv in with the sword packages. To install a module just extract it to /usr/share/sword.

KJV is not that archaic anyways most versions of the KJV update obsolete words placeing the word in brackets or placing the original word in italics below the verse. if you notice most of the meaning in the KJV is in the arngment of the word if a modern staic grammar were used the size of the bible would need to be much larger but since the language of the KJV is already static and readily learnable (studies show the average fifth grader could write a book report on the bible hence demonstrating that they understand the language) why change? there is no good reason other than money selling more new "bibles" useing M$ like strategies ie "get the latest and greatest translation with enhanced assurity of salvation".

Well, it's obvious that you're KJV only... Can't say I agree with the KJV only stance, but that's ok. But regardless, some people find it good to have other translations and compare, including KJV-onlyists. It might be your belief that KJV is the only english translation anyone should use, but not all Christians hold that view (I like the Amplified myself, but wouldn't read that on a regular basis, haha). I imagine ChurchPup is probably intended for use by more than KJV-onlyists.

Interesting thing is, King James himself said that it's good to have other English translations as well. And today, the KJV-onlyists say that the King James Bible is the only English translation that should be used. So why didn't King James agree?

Anyway, I'm all for other translations being put into ChurchPup, and if anyone has a problem with certain translations, you don't have to read them, or you can read them to see if there's any issues with them. Even better yet, could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?

could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?

If you're using one of the Sword based programs then any Sword module will work on any platform. Meaning if you can find a Sword compliant concordance, then it will work in Linux.

In my studies I've come to suspect that the translations are always influenced greatl;y by the prevailing attitudes and dogma of the time, kjv included. However, I personally think that when they translated kjv they took a few less liberties with the wording. But Joey is right, really, it is just good that we have many translations. The world was a very dark place when the clergy were the only ones with access to the scriptures.

could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?

If you're using one of the Sword based programs then any Sword module will work on any platform. Meaning if you can find a Sword compliant concordance, then it will work in Linux.

In my studies I've come to suspect that the translations are always influenced greatl;y by the prevailing attitudes and dogma of the time, kjv included. However, I personally think that when they translated kjv they took a few less liberties with the wording. But Joey is right, really, it is just good that we have many translations. The world was a very dark place when the clergy were the only ones with access to the scriptures.

Nathan

OK. I haven't used any of those bible programs myself, so I don't know what features they already have. I've been so used to the actual books rather than the software.

I use biblegateway.com and biblebrowser.com a bit, though biblebrowser.com doesn't seem to work well in Opera. I haven't tried it in Firefox for Linux. It worked well on Firefox for Windows.

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