I keep trying to talk sense into her, but she honestly believes that Israel could do no wrong, God hates drugs, and morality must be policed by the government. I don't know what to do. The good thing, though, is that she doesn't vote.

Israel will pay for their sins someday. Lots of people think favorably about them not because of their present day state, but because of a nation with the same name of Israel being talked about in the bible. These two are not the same today, not even the same ancestral people. The only thing the same about them is their location and name. They are most definitely not God's people as they claim to be and as many ignorant Christians think they are.

If my mom did that, I'd tell her that I dont want people that celebrate killing (for whatever reason) to be around her grandchildren and leave it at that. luckily I don't have that problem.

That's pretty much, word for word, what I had to tell my MIL after she tried a different tack to convince me that it would be "great for the economy" to bomb Iran (since the Fox News fearmongering wasn't working.)

Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

That's pretty much, word for word, what I had to tell my MIL after she tried a different tack to convince me that it would be "great for the economy" to bomb Iran (since the Fox News fearmongering wasn't working.)

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

Didn't change her mind, I'm sure, but she doesn't aggravate me with all the bullshit. She's willfully ignorant, and even refused to believe me about Operation Ajax and that Israel was formed on other people's land in 1948--she went to Pastor Hagee's book to try to prove me wrong...then strangely changed the subject.

Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi

I keep trying to talk sense into her, but she honestly believes that Israel could do no wrong, God hates drugs, and morality must be policed by the government. I don't know what to do. The good thing, though, is that she doesn't vote.

Then the government doesn't care about what she believes. Same with my parents. They can rail and get as mad as they want, but if they don't vote and don't participate in anything political aside from screaming at people at the water cooler, nobody cares.

Before every strike, the only military in the world that phone calls the residents of nearby building asking them to evacuate in only Israel.

They also spread leaflets asking the Palestinians to leave the area.

Like this one :

The real reasons the Palestinians don't leave their houses and take shelter is because of their religion. They think its their religious duty to fight the Jews and kill them and they are very proud to have their babies killed by Israeli soldiers because their family will become popular and known as the martyr family 'Islamic martyr - A person who died for Allah'. Their dead bodies are paraded on the street with masses of people attending the martyr glorification parade and they even get free housing and free job and free money.

I believe that Israel is one of our most important friends in the world. And the views that I hold have many adherents in Israel today. Two of the tenets of a true Zionist are “self-determination” and “self-reliance.” I do not believe we should be Israel’s master but, rather, her friend. We should not be dictating her policies and announcing her negotiating positions before talks with her neighbors have even begun. . .

I am the one candidate who would respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate to her about how she should deal with her neighbors. I supported Israel’s right to attack the Iraqi nuclear reactor in the 1980s, and I opposed President Obama’s attempt to dictate Israel’s borders this year.

I am the one candidate who would respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate to her about how she should deal with her neighbors.- Ron Paul

Yes indeed. As in.....Israel can take care of her own mess, and turn down down the billions in aid every year as well. They can pay to print their own leaflets if that is what they desire. It is not America's job to clean up after her or protect her, which is what I believe Ron Paul has been saying this whole time.

"Perfect safety is not the purpose of government." - Ron Paul

Originally Posted by brushfire

"I was in the rain forest once, and it rained on me..."

Originally Posted by Carson

Ron Paul suggested a very good first step to the process of restoring sound money... It was beautiful. It left them all standing with their fiats out.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

'Excuse us, we'll be leaving now. Oh, and you don't mind if we just steal this Constitution before we go? You @#$%s aren't using it anyway...'

US foreign policy is Israels foreign policy: conquest, murder and property theft. They are inseparable. The thug state of Israel since its inception has been about "blitzkrieg" for territorial expansion. Interestingly enough, just like a man and his state who exterminated 6 million Jewish people. I guess Zionism is too important to not adopt his policies... There will be no peace as long as Israel keeps killing and stealing land under the condoning watch of the US. Any attempts at peace in the middle east by the US state should be seen for what they are... Hippocrates.

The US state subsidizes all of this, which makes them even more guilty.

btw everyone in my church and community and family are the exact same. Israel first, total neocons. Fortunately my Dad is willing to think and have intelligent discussion and leans pretty libertarian so I'm not sure how he views it, but everyone else is beyond full-retard.

yeah just abandon your home and belongings until there is peace, ya know because you don't own your property. we do because we're about to bomb the shit out of you.

Ah yes, but the "civilized" man warns you with pretty leaflets first. The "savages" don't. I'm pretty sure I saw a sign somewhere that says in a war between the two to support the civilized man. Support Israel. It's easy to know what to think. The signs are everywhere.

"Perfect safety is not the purpose of government." - Ron Paul

Originally Posted by brushfire

"I was in the rain forest once, and it rained on me..."

Originally Posted by Carson

Ron Paul suggested a very good first step to the process of restoring sound money... It was beautiful. It left them all standing with their fiats out.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

'Excuse us, we'll be leaving now. Oh, and you don't mind if we just steal this Constitution before we go? You @#$%s aren't using it anyway...'

My gf's mother is the same way. She currently refuses to speak to either of us because we voted for Gary Johnson. True story.

Could have been worse. hxxp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/arizona-woman-accused-of-running-over-husband-because-he-didnt-vote-against-president-obama/2012/11/14/7e78e12a-2e6d-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html She'll come around I'm sure. As to the question of how to persuade pro-Israel people to 'our' position of non-intervention I usually point out the fact that while we give Israel support (militarily and monetarily) we give her enemies around seven times more than that. Us arming the region is doing nothing but futher complicating the situation and endangering Israel.

They keep you doped with religion and sex and T.V.
And you think you're so clever and classless and free.
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.
--John Lennon

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