bingethinker:He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.

Exactly. I'm not saying he's a guaranteed success in the NFL, but what does it hurt to give him a tryout? If he doesn't work out, no harm, no foul. If he does, though, everybody wins. The risk of course is that Tebow backslides while in an actual game, and reverts to his previous throwing mechanics, but I would put the blame for that more on his coaches, should it occur.

As you said, there are a lot of teams in the NFL that really need a good QB, and Tebow - for all his faults - has a good head for football. If he can get his mechanics straightened out, some team could find themselves with at worst a decent backup on their roster, if not a young, and extremely motivated starter.

MmmmBacon:The risk of course is that Tebow backslides while in an actual game, and reverts to his previous throwing mechanics, but I would put the blame for that more on his coaches, should it occur.

This. Given a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills rather than throwing him in the deep end and asking him to do things he can't, he could be more successful than a lot of QBs out there -- Geno "random" Smith and Jason "check it down on 4th and 10" Campbell come to mind.

czetie:iven a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills

I'm super sure they weren't doing that in Denver, when they were calling designed runs double-digit times per game, faced with his 47% completion percentage, and still couldn't muster more than 20 ppg on average.

EyeballKid:This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Is it, though? This is the off-season, following a season when many teams had their QBs exposed as talentless hacks. So there are many teams needing a new QB or two, and as long as they are looking for one, why not let Tebow show off his stuff? What do these teams lose by letting him run through a few drills with their other free-agent prospects?

He's supposedly got his mechanics fixed. If they aren't, that should become very apparent, very quickly. So again, what's the harm? For me, Tebow is just another free-agent QB looking for a job. If his agent is worth his percentage, he'll get a tryout or two in the next few months.

kronicfeld:czetie: iven a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills

I'm super sure they weren't doing that in Denver, when they were calling designed runs double-digit times per game, faced with his 47% completion percentage, and still couldn't muster more than 20 ppg on average.

bingethinker:He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.

If you go back and take a look, the playoff win was an aberration, all the teams he beat during his stint in Denver were sub .500 teams...and he had to pull off 4th quarter comebacks to do that. Sure, they were exciting and the playoff win clouds everyone's memory but fast forward to the next week where Tom Brady had more touchdown passes than Tebow had completions.

It's not uncommon for an unconventional player to have some success early on (Vince Young and RG3's rookie seasons come to mind...there are many other examples). Once there is a reasonably data sampling and time to break film down those players are often forced to lean on something other than their unconventional "thing". Tebow does not possess another dimension to his game.

Tebow is a nice enough guy but he is probably the most 1 dimensional QB to ever play in the NFL. If you believe that all the people who are professional talent evaluators and coaches are somehow missing something I think you're overestimating your own abilities.

AdmirableSnackbar:kronicfeld: AdmirableSnackbar: There were 8 teams this year that couldn't manage more than 20 ppg.

And all will agree without reservation that they sucked, right? So how does that make Tebow any better?

It doesn't; it simply makes him viable. Then again, one of those teams that couldn't break the 20 ppg barrier was the defending Super Bowl champions with their MVP Elite QB Joe Flacco.

And Joe Flacco is undeniably leaps and bounds better than Tebow. Tebow behind the insult to sports the Ravens called an Offensive Line this year would have recorded more points for an opponent than his own team.

The guy was bigger and faster than most college players, but not a very good passer. He's slightly above average in the NFL in terms of size and speed. And he can't read an NFL defense to save his career.

Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback? It would pay better than some lame college commentator job. Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

fickenchucker:Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback? It would pay better than some lame college commentator job. Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

/He's not a good QB--I could throw ducks like him.

Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB

I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)

I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)

That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB. If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing? Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow? I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.

And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today. Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons. Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around. Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franchise.

I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only aroseafter Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)

I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)

That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB. If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing? Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow? I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.

And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today. Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons. Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around. Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franc ...

I can totally see that side of it. I think the issue was that Orton was conventional crappy with conventional crappy play calling. Teams were ready for that kind of game. Tebow was unconventional crappy, it was good for a season but that's about it, it didn't seem sustainable. Either way, I truly enjoyed the season he was there, I'm not a broncos fan in the slightest but I tuned in for almost all their games. I'd also like for him to get another shot but not with any team I like, I want it just for the laughs and butthurt.

steamingpile:Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?

Good god no, his problem was he thought he knew more than his coaches which was wrong. The man was a dummy.

My memory of Jeff George is watching him become hopelessly confused trying to call plays, then start screeching at everyone else. Also liked to point the finger at receivers he flat out missed, and biatch at his line when he held the ball too long.

AdmirableSnackbar:if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today. Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons. Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around. Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franchise.

I like this point. As much as Tebow was out of his league, I've had this discussion before as he started the chain of events that landed PFM in Denver and other key FAs to make the Broncos not only relevant but the odds-on favorite (FWIW) to win the AFC. As a Broncos fan I don't hate Tebow, but I'm relieved he's no longer behind center for my team.

forgotmydamnusername:steamingpile: Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?

Good god no, his problem was he thought he knew more than his coaches which was wrong. The man was a dummy.

My memory of Jeff George is watching him become hopelessly confused trying to call plays, then start screeching at everyone else. Also liked to point the finger at receivers he flat out missed, and biatch at his line when he held the ball too long.

I'll always remember him at Illinois, coming to Boulder (my alma mater) for a road game and getting his ass handed to him. After the game he said "they were the better team...today." biatch, you lost by over 30.