So, there are a lot of conspiracy theories being thrown around in the wake of the Boston bombing, which can be thrown together into quite an unconvincing straw man. You can visit Prison Planet on your own for details, but here's the summary:

The Boston Brothers were mind controlled/tricked/allowed to commit the bombings by the NWO/Illuminati/CIA in order to justify martial law/FEMA death camps/making pressure cookers illegal.

That all sounds a bit farfetched, especially if you go with a combo like, "The Lizard People used mind control to get these young men to commit the bombing in order to create a communist police state in the USA - and [saw your FB post, Woodsman] how convenient that he shot himself in the throat and can't talk." But, there's also the milder version, which is, "The Homeland Security-industrial complex has been waiting for an event like this to justify a more expensive, and arguably repressive, security state." That's a conspiracy, too, and one that I think is credible.

I mean, I thought it was kind of amazing that they locked down an entire city for a day and caught those kids like rats in a cage, that was fucking awesome. Especially when you consider how they just let Eric Rudolph and Ted Kaczynski just run around free for years committing multiple bombings. Never mind bin Laden. But.... is that going to be the new normal? Whenever there's a mass murder? Martial Law?

And what about trying the kid as an enemy combatant with a weapon of mass destruction? It's a 19-year-old who killed three people with a kitchen utensil. Sure, interrogate him for intelligence then give him the death penalty, but what's up with all the legal hyperbole? Is that really necessary? I mean, there are gang members serving life with certain parole in Pelican Bay who have killed waaaaayyyyy more people than that. Is this the new normal? Hmmm....

"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq

The coverage has been insane, too. 60 Minutes was all about the technology used to catch the kids - the helicopter with infrared capabilities, bomb-sniffing dogs, security cameras everywhere. But - that's not what caught these kids! It was 911 calls from a convenience store, and a guy who noticed blood on his boat and saw the kid with his own two eyes. There weren't any bomb sniffing dogs. And the kids were identified from cell phone pics, right? That's all Reddit/4Chan had, and they identified them way before the FBI did. I guess the security video helped, but that was after the Internets had come up with five suspects for the FBI to look at.

It's been like this 24/7 celebration of all this ridiculously expensive technology designed to spy on US citizens, and now it's justified because it caught these kids, even though it really didn't... it was cell phones and crowd sourcing and some guy breaking the law to go have a cigarette. I dunno. I'm just getting that twitchy tin foil hat vibe like all this is deliberately being used to justify pumping more taxpayer money into the immensely profitable security state that fucks us in the pocketbook and the liberty simultaneously. It's a fucking conspiracy of dollars.

"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq

Oh, and sorry if I'm calling them kids, I can't spell their names without looking it up, and calling them terrorists sort of undermines my argument that they should be tried in a normal court of law and this shouldn't become the new normal. Terrorist is a scary word. 9/11 and whatnot.

"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq

This is what I was getting at as far as American over-reaction is concerned.

Yes,you will still have the knee-jerk reactionists calling for even more guns and screaming "kill the terrorists". But remember,it's the Demos in power now...so it's a more insidious,contrived,controlled,quiet kind of over-reaction.

What irks me is that the professional conspiracy theorists have gone so far off the rails on this one that it gives Joe and Jane Public this false dichotomy: either the kids were terrorists and the Feds were heroes, or the kids were innocent patsies and the New World Order is behind an elaborate scheme.

So obviously most people are going to go with option A. And my conspiracy theory, that there are a bunch of socialist parasites feeding off the DOD's and Homeland Security's huge, obscured-by-secrecy budgets who have the means and desire to leverage an event like this into fat no-bid contracts for their security state goods and services, gets lumped in with the Lizard People and Illuminati. Annoying.

"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq

A friend of mine who retired from the USAF a few years ago SWEARS those explosions were claymores and not pressure cookers based on (1) the sound of the explosions, (2) the directional blood spatter, and (3) the appearance of the big cloud of smoke churning out of the explosion area. He told me he's seen a lot of explosions in the time he was in and said it was absolutely a claymore and that those two Chechen brothers were patsies.

That is not my belief. I don't have that man's experience in ordinance. I can hear the difference between an AR & an AK though, with the AK having a very distinctive sound.

Based on my perception, it's as if someone has turned on a "terrorism" switch with the ricin notes to go along with this event. This is exactly like the period around 9/11. Could the ricin letters be sent from a person with U.S. security interests? Quite possibly. Seemingly, they never can find the senders of these "care packages". I don't think it takes a genius to grow castor oil beans, dry them, grind them into powder and throw them into an envelope. It's not as if these packages have a charge designed to cover the room in a mist of ricin aerosol upon opening the packaging and any Joe Smith with half a brain in America knows those are going to be screened anyway, and knows the only outcome is going to be government telling the media, the media reporting it and a predictable response from the American people of fear.

So maybe you're right, friendly.

The complete inaccuracy and false information put out by our media makes this event seem a whole lot like 9/11, and I am fairly confident at least one important key component in both of these events is factual, and that is "Team America" had information that they did not act on - that they should have - before these events occurred.

I would argue that 9/11 was an attack that was intentionally not stopped, but that's another discussion (air space control issue).

Congress is reportedly giving the FBI a grilling regarding this information that Russia (reportedly) gave the U.S. back in 2008 (according to RT news - other news outlets are suggesting more recently). Russia says watch this dude (the older brother) because he is a radical Islamist. FBI says ok, whatever and doesn't watch the guy.

I can guarantee you we are going to see a lot more urban area lock downs in the future for reasons that I find clearly obvious from a resource and security strategy perspective. You won't find much happening out here in the sticks because there are simply less people in the sticks, although GMOS are rampant here in the middle of the country and in my opinion, that is state sanctioned bio-terrorism, plain and simple. I guess its acceptable if it serves the government's financial and population reduction interests. Ditto for oil spills - with whole areas of Arkansas under lock down - INCLUDING THE AIR SPACE ABOVE THEM!

This security crap is overblown and overdone. There are hundreds of cop and robber events that happen every day and this one was no different. I find it difficult to believe that this guy had home-made hand grenades on him. More than likely, the cops made that story to cover their use of issued ordinance that seems more military than the public will stand for, but I suppose I could be wrong.

One thing I am 100% confident of is that there are liars in the government. They will lie to the people and it is 100% sanctioned all the way around. It's bullshit, but the American government wants to present a certain image to the American people so they can remain in power. A nice shiny image that is becoming more and more difficult to support as the money keeps getting blown on these "needs" of the inhabitants. The lights will eventually go out here. It may be a while, but its something you can lay your money on. This country is not immune to the resource problems facing humanity.

Weez wrote:Maybe Alex Jones is a DoHS puppet designed to discredit you.

You laugh, but that's a popular conspiracy. Though Jones' appearance on The View, a truly great moment in tin foil hattery, makes me believe wholeheartedly in his earnestness of purpose.

Anyway, I figure these kids did the deed. I mean, what possible play would the Illuminati get out of a couple of Chechens? It's not like we'll go to war with fucking Russia over a couple of pressure cookers, and this does zip zero nada to justify taking guns away from rednecks, whereas an attack by a right wing nutter probably would. A conspiracy theory doesn't have to be credible or even possible, but it should at least make sense.

That said, MY conspiracy kind of does make sense, IMO. The tragedy happened, and now a bunch of fuckhead fake capitalists are trying to figure out how to use it to stay on the government tit despite the sequestration. My logic works, right? Of course I have no proof but hey, it's the TFHC.

"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq

1. You nutters always seem to have a problem with thinking your way into the shoes of people who actually have to make decisions and be held accountable for them.

So, what would you have done after:

a. the perps had been identified then;

b. the perps killed a cop and had a firefight with the cops, leaving one perp on the loose.

You wouldn't have locked down the city with every single security guy you can lay your hands on? Really?

2. They weren't claymores, not even close. Your friend is called Walter Mitty?

3. They were terrorists inspired by extremist strains of Islam. Not a scary word. A fact. Uncomfortable one for you of course but much more important that you just get back to complaining about security budgets and the people who strive to protect your ungrateful, worthless arses.

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