Okay, here's the deal- I'm writing a book called "101 Most Shocking Pro Wrestling Moments," a take-off of E!'s "101 Most Shocking Celeb Moments" or whatever. I've contacted ECW Press (the publisher of "Wrestlecrap" and "Death of WCW" books) and they are interested.

So I've contacted a few wrestlers, hoping to get their comments on some moments (not necessarily the ones involved), to add something different to the book that people on the internet wouldn't already know about. If anyone has any "inside" contacts or knows anyone in the business that would help me out, shoot me a PM.

As for the 101 moments themselves- I've got them pared down and ranked. What I'm looking for from the W's here is suggestions on moments I may have overlooked and aren't in the countdown, or ones you think I terribly overrated/underrated. I'm not looking for someone to say "oh, number 41 should move up a spot or two" or things like that. Just ones that I may have missed or didn't do enough/did too much justice too. Without further ado, here is my (tentative) list:

Looks cool. I may be missing it on the list, but I think that Vince Mcmahon (and/or Vince Russo and/or David Arquette) as World Heavyweight Champion might be a good addition. Also, you don't have anything on the Invasion though I guess you might be putting that under #2. And not to pick nits, but wasn't the Pillman quote "I respect you, Bookerman"? Hope this works out for you.

I dont think I saw Bischoff joins WWE or Bret and Vince reconcile to work on DVD. Those seem pretty significant to me. Also the fans turning on Rock at Wm18 and siding with Hogan was pretty shocking (even the announcers werent sure how to react). Ric Flair showing up on WWF tv with the World title was pretty shocking. Jerry Lawler quitting WWE was shocking too after all those years, just to show Kitty his support. Even though Owen was pretty tragic, IMO, Id say Hogan going heel was the most shcoking thing ever in wrestling, measured by its long term impact.

Some of the things on the list I wouldn't really describe as "shocking" at all, and some are just really bizarre choices either in their placing or just being there altogether.

38.) Rob Feinstein- Pedophile

That shouldn't be anywhere near the list. In the grand scheme of things and when you consider the numerous scandals in wrestling over the years, the promoter of a small time Indy promotion getting caught chatting up a fake kid on the 'net is in no way the 38th most shocking moment in history.

47.) Patterson, Garvin Resign Amid Sexual Misconduct Charges

I've no idea why you'd list Feinstein above this since this was national news at the time. I'd definitely have this in the top 20.

I'd say all of these need to be either much lower or off the list altogether:28.) Hogan Challenges Yoko, Minutes After Beating Hart; Hogan Wins Title30.) New Diesel and Ramon Debut38.) Rob Feinstein- Pedophile44.) Crush Arrested on Drug Charges49.) Crash Holly Dies54.) Sid Squeege Incident60.) Tank to Big Al: "I Could Fuckin' Kill You" On PPV

And all of these need to be higher:52.) The Clique Say Goodbye at MSG63.) Tyson Scuffles With Austin on RAW82.) Piper Breaks Coconut Over Snuka's Head89.) Austin Walks out on WWE90.) Sid Breaks Leg on PPV91.) Diesel Beats Backlund in Seven Seconds For Title93.) WWE Wrestler (Taz) Beats WCW Wrestler (Awesome) in ECW ring 98.) Death of Elizabeth at Luger's House101.) Austin To Roberts at K.O.R.: "Austin 3:16 Says I just Whooped Your Ass"

Turner buying out Crocket, Flair leaving WCW and Hogan joining WCW all definitely need to be on that list before a lot of those choices. If you're going for angles I'd have The Rock's heel turn at Survivor Series 98 and Austin's at WM 17 too.

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#2 & 12 appear to be the same story to me as well (How do you tell 12 without telling 2?)

I think "Russo calls Hogan for using his creative control during a PPV" should definitely make the cut, and I would have it at least in the upper half, probably around #20.

"Brock quits" is too high, I imagine especially in light of his apparent return

#49 "Crash Holly"? I don't think he was with the E when he died - how is he different from any number of OD's - and above both #71 Curt Hennig and #87 British Bulldog (who were bigger stars)? And if you want a shocking wrestling death, how about Dino Bravo being a victim of a gangland hit? (Cigarette trafficking, I think?)

And no Andre? How about "Andre turns on Hogan, demands title shot"? Also from that era: "Hogan loses title because of evil twin referee"?

I would also suggest Flair's "Abuse of Power" Nitro promo from Greensboro, NC - and the Bret/Austin "Double Turn" match

Also seconds for "David Arquette, WCW Champion", "Ric Flair, REAL World's Champion", and "Magnum TA career-ending accident", also for "Billy and Chuck wedding", although I would play up the Bischoff disguise angle no one saw coming.

Mae Young gives birth to a hand.Brock Lesnar Shooting star press at WMXIX.Matt Hardy returns to Raw.Ring collapses during Brock/Big Show match on Smackdown.NWO comes to WWE.Plane ride from hell.Eric Bishoff reveals himself at Billy/Chuck wedding.Batista/Cena throw themselves out of the Rumble accidentally.John Cena gets drafted to Raw as WWE Champion.Muhammad Hassan terrosist angle.Shawn Michaels says ''Theres the most expensive piece of luggage right there'' to Sid on live PPV.Austin costs Bret the title one night after winning it.HBK turns on Hulk Hogan.Chris Jericho becomes Undisputed Champion.Lights go out at In Your House.

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Of all the things people replying to this thread have mentioned, that's the one item that I'm absolutely one hundred percent in agreement on. That incident is the stuff of legend, especially since officially the case remains unsolved and nobody was ever punished for it, and considering that Brody was a fairly big star at one point.

Don't forget either that just because a moment is supposed to be shocking in terms of storyline doesn't make it an actual "shocking" moment. For example, Cena jumping to RAW wasn't all that shocking since it was widely reported that they were going to switch Cena and Batista. Also, there are some moments that are so incredibly stupid (such as Mae Young giving birth to a hand on live TV) that you can't even really include them. Sure, we were all dumbfounded, but mostly because it was so idiotic. That's something RD Reynolds covered in his Wrestlecrap book, which is where it belongs. In the case of this book you're writing, it should be about incidents that truly rocked the industry (and its fanbase).

I'm surprised nobody's brought up Akira Maeda shooting on Andre. I'm not quite sure if it belongs on the list, but it was kind of a big deal at the time.

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Ron Simmons becomes first black WCW World Champion.Vince mortgages the future of the WWF with Wrestlemania.Vince testifies that Pro Wrestling is entertainment and not sport.The Zahorian/McMahon steroid trial.Muhammed Ali vs Antonio Inoki in Boxer vs Wrestler match.WWE goes to war torn Iraq to entertain the troops.Antonio Inoki gets elected to Japanese Senate.Rock has highest ratings of SNL in years.WWE at the national conventions in connection with Smackdown Your Vote.Vince sells stock in company.