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No, thanks. Please don´t focus on something that irrelevant. The Crowds are ok once the game works perfectly and the superstars really lool like their real life counter parts they can focus on something like the crowd. The only thing that has to be improved is the Crowd Audio not how they look.

1_Go back and play PS2 WWE games before saying those kind of things because it´s really really hard to take you guys serious after reading that

2_Crowd will ALWAYS no matter what, ALWAYS look worse than playable character model. ALWAYS, I repeat. Why? Short answer: Resources are developed and implemented on what the WWE wants to promote in WWE the games: the WWE talent, not a bunch of no-names who are just there for aestethics. For a "equality" of sorts in crowd and talent, we would need worse graphics and worse looking models so more resources are invested into developing and playing the crowd on screen on an equal level of quality as WWE wrestlers, and that won´t happen because, plain and simple, it´s stupid and more important (and thanks God for it) the WWE doesn´t want such an stupidity (having a game with worse graphics and less resources invested in character models for the sake of "equality" with crowd graphics) to happen.

The crowd in every game so far looked like barely 3d Toys that are stuck in the PS2 era. I think they should scan fans to give it a much more authentic feel.

Do fans look worse than the superstars in real life? No they are te same quality. These WWE games have been trying to be a simple realistic and authentic as possible yet they don't have the fans as the same quality of the superstars. It's bs if you ask me. That is why they should be equal

Do fans look worse than the superstars in real life? No they are te same quality. These WWE games have been trying to be a simple realistic and authentic as possible yet they don't have the fans as the same quality of the superstars. It's bs if you ask me. That is why they should be equal

I am not asking you, as much as you seem to like asking yourself considering who are you quoting, answering and asking questions in that message.

And no, they shouldn´t be equal for reasonably explained arguments. Whether reason and logic resonate with you or not it´s not my bussiness.

You claim it's bs that fans aren't same quality as the superstars themselves, but by saying that you're saying what every modern sports game is doing is bs. I don't know a single modern sports game where the fans are same quality as the athletes. The higher the quality of the crowd, the more resources required by the console to run it, and it might become a bottleneck.

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You claim it's bs that fans aren't same quality as the superstars themselves, but by saying that you're saying what every modern sports game is doing is bs. I don't know a single modern sports game where the fans are same quality as the athletes. The higher the quality of the crowd, the more resources required by the console to run it, and it might become a bottleneck.

Exactly. Another reason for it not happening on any game of any kind and another argument people seem to either disregard or simply not know about. Likely the later considering the kind of "ideas" and "request" I see in this forum.

Well, the audience can't be as detailed as the wrestlers for obvious reasons, but it wouldn't hurt to use scans of random people for NPCs, like Goldberg's cops and Godfather's hos. For the general audience, I bet just pictures would be enough :P

Exactly. Another reason for it not happening on any game of any kind and another argument people seem to either disregard or simply not know about. Likely the later considering the kind of "ideas" and "request" I see in this forum.

I agree with all of this. It would take way too many resources for fans to look as good as the superstars, and the overall quality would suffer because of this.

Well, the audience can't be as detailed as the wrestlers for obvious reasons, but it wouldn't hurt to use scans of random people for NPCs, like Goldberg's cops and Godfather's hos. For the general audience, I bet just pictures would be enough :P

In a comercial product, and on top of that, scans including minors (kids) for the crowd. You are entering a very shady ground of regulations, restrictions and licensing issues there, and regardless, developing scanned character models for entrance props that would take away resources from the game´s development and also could potentially hinder the game performance as compared to just using generic NPCs with less textures and less resources consumed from the system would hurt the game.

In a comercial product, and on top of that, scans including minors (kids) for the crowd. You are entering a very shady ground of regulations, restrictions and licensing issues there, and regardless, developing scanned character models for entrance props that would take away resources from the game´s development and also could potentially hinder the game performance as compared to just using generic NPCs with less textures and less resources consumed from the system would hurt the game.

That's understandable, but what about the ref, commentary teams, and ring announcers? its not the same case and can look just like the superstars right?

Because they are 3 character models as opposed to the thousands of character models that make up the crowd, and they are scanned.

Still they look worse (way less detailed, though quite ok) than actual WWE in-ring performers in the game, amongst other reasons, because the WWE wants to promote mainly their in-ring talent, not the rest of the WWE staff.

personally i think they could do much better with the fans and not take too many resources away from the other parts, it is just modeling and they dont need to scan like they do for the wrestlers, they dont scan the legends that are dead do they,

now the whole scan them like the wrestlers thing, yea thats dumb because thats taking away time from doing the wrestlers which many of them still need work

Now that Finn Balor & Demon Finn are separate characters. Will they be counted as two characters in UM? Does that mean they will be booked in matches against each other? What about title histories, Will they share it?

has anyone stopped and counted how many fans there are, not including doubles?

Now that Finn Balor & Demon Finn are separate characters. Will they be counted as two characters in UM? Does that mean they will be booked in matches against each other? What about title histories, Will they share it?

Lol at the people jumping at this dude cause he had a idea weather you like it or not doesn't make what you saying anymore right. Just disagree don't try to bring it down like it's dum or shouldn't be thought of. I think it's a pretty good idea I get what you mean and even if it was a few people looking more upgraded would be a nice touch.

Considering how slow six-man matches are in 2K17. Considering that we will have eight-man matches in 2K18. I am willing to have cardboard cutouts in the audience if it means the in-ring action plays better.

Fixing the fans when the gameplay is sluggish would be like putting lipstick on a pig.

I'm not saying a better crowd isn't needed. I'm saying there are other priorities.

Considering how slow six-man matches are in 2K17. Considering that we will have eight-man matches in 2K18. I am willing to have cardboard cutouts in the audience if it means the in-ring action plays better.

Fixing the fans when the gameplay is sluggish would be like putting lipstick on a pig.

I'm not saying a better crowd isn't needed. I'm saying there are other priorities.

yes 2k17 lags and all, but 2k18 might not if they have redone the engine and such like many of us hope, 8 man matches might not slow it down at all

Now that Finn Balor & Demon Finn are separate characters. Will they be counted as two characters in UM? Does that mean they will be booked in matches against each other? What about title histories, Will they share it?

Resources. I mean that's what it comes down too. We just got the 4 v 4 back and we have no idea what that's going to do to the frame rate right now. As we've not seen it yet. The crowd while more important than any other sports are still really background dressing. The audio for the crowd is much more important than their video aspect.

To be honest I've never had a problem with the way the crowd look. Sure they could look better, but it's the still the best crowd I've ever seen in a wwe game. And considering the fact that there's a new graphics engine, who knows how great the crowd could look now.

Your IWGP Heavyweight Champion has returned from his decent at best vacation.

I don't see the need for arguing in here, when in all honesty the fans will probably be scanned anyway this year (or at least people working on the game). I'm pretty sure 2K announced they're improving the crowd with new animations and audio this year, so with a new graphics engine in place I'm sure they'll work on the visuals too.