So? Are we not free to interpret things as we see them? Do we need oversight to tell us what is right and wrong? Where does this type of thinking lead?

It's my experience that conservatives don't like questions. Questions lead to thinking, and there's just no telling where thinking will lead you. Much better to have answers, but no questions. Answers don't need thinking, they just need acceptance.

When I die, I want to go quietly in my sleep, like Grandpa.
Not screaming, like the people in his car.

I am ashamed but not surprised by the adolescent responses to the Sorenson column. Instead of some rational dialogue, you all came up with equivalent of a bunch of kids farting and burping around the camp fire. Harley Sorenson is a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle, a recognized liberal iconoclast and by his own admission, a "liberal with an attitude". So now we know where he sits. Some of the points in his column tell where he stands--way outside the bounds of truth. He's entitled to his own conclusions, but not his own facts. If folks like Sorenson would focus their vituperation upon our enemies instead of us, the wars would be shorter and the peace better.

I am surprised but not ashamed by your adolescent naivete.
Sorenson, an OBVIOUS liberal is writing with 'restraint' ..and his facts, as G.W.Bush's current FACTS on Iran maybe fast and loose but he is hinting at a deeper problem enveloped in his title ..'Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace' a book that may enlighten you.

Our enemies ..as always.. are within !
It is not Islam(boogeyman of this decade).

And why do you entertain "shorter wars"

How about 'No Wars' !!!

Wars are encouraged by, land grabbers, arms manufacturers for profit, religious fanatacism, a federal reserve bank (that is privately owned. Did you know that ?) who lends the government 'war' money at interest which is guaranteed by the taxpayer ..YOU ! and they make a PROFIT from YOU !

So stop believing the nightly drivel from CNN & FOX News & ABC etc etc(they all traffic in the same propaganda), stop farting and burping around the water cooler/campfire and realise that Republicans and Democrats have all been bought and paid for, are essentially parroting the same party line, your country is a puppet and 'You The People' have lost control of it.

It's my experience that conservatives don't like questions. Questions lead to thinking, and there's just no telling where thinking will lead you. Much better to have answers, but no questions. Answers don't need thinking, they just need acceptance.

Well, BNZ, don't hold back, let her rip! Somewhere in there are the seeds of a coherent, but probably erroneous, political philosophy, but it's muddled up with conspiracy theory and pre-teen wishful thinking.

Let's go at your wish for "No Wars". If Santa doesn't come through on this, I suggest you write two letters

First one to Bin Laden along these lines: Dear Mr Laden. Please don't steal our airplanes and drive them in to our tall buildings. It really hurts people and makes a terrible mess. Can't we all just get along? Hope to hear from you soon. Your friend. BNZ

Next one: Dear Armedinijad: You seem like a really nice fellow, so why do you continue to enrich uranium? This makes our friends in Israel really nervous and some of the girls even cry. We haven't done anything to really hurt you, so won't you reconsider. You are also welcome to come to my college anytime to tell us your side. I am sure this is just a misunderstanding or maybe even a miscommunication. Let's work it out. Write anytime. BNZ

I hope you would join with Harley Sorenson in advancing international relations by directing your criticisms to those who deserve it--our enemies. But please be sensitive to their feelings. We wouldn't want to antagonize them.

Well, BNZ, don't hold back, let her rip! Somewhere in there are the seeds of a coherent, but probably erroneous, political philosophy, but it's muddled up with conspiracy theory and pre-teen wishful thinking.

Let's go at your wish for "No Wars". If Santa doesn't come through on this, I suggest you write two letters

First one to Bin Laden along these lines: Dear Mr Laden. Please don't steal our airplanes and drive them in to our tall buildings. It really hurts people and makes a terrible mess. Can't we all just get along? Hope to hear from you soon. Your friend. BNZ

Next one: Dear Armedinijad: You seem like a really nice fellow, so why do you continue to enrich uranium? This makes our friends in Israel really nervous and some of the girls even cry. We haven't done anything to really hurt you, so won't you reconsider. You are also welcome to come to my college anytime to tell us your side. I am sure this is just a misunderstanding or maybe even a miscommunication. Let's work it out. Write anytime. BNZ

I hope you would join with Harley Sorenson in advancing international relations by directing your criticisms to those who deserve it--our enemies. But please be sensitive to their feelings. We wouldn't want to antagonize them.

Tell me, did we invade Iraq because its WMD made Israel nervous? Do you remember who was promoting that war for us and supplying us with intelligence?
Oh, by the way, Israel is deeply disappointed in us because we seem to be on our way to lighten up on Iran, don't you think that that's the case? We can't justify attacking Iran anymore but we are working other fear channels by telling the Gulf countries that Iran is their threat and all we need is an invitation from them to attack. You know, a new line, don't you agree?
I asked you those questions because you seem to know a lot about Iran's intentions or am I wrong?

^^
Here we go, this should help you understand that some people are seething at the NIE. I mean look at our favorite foreign interest stooge's comments: U.S. intel report on Iran was political: BoltonU.S. intel report on Iran was political: Bolton - Yahoo! News
He's got to push "his view" not to disappoint his handlers and benefactors (which are not the people of the USA by the way).

What I find interesting but not at all surprising is for some of you who claim to be "bi-partisian" or middle of the road and "objective" all calmor at FTLs feet like hungry little puppies with only their master as their guide.

I, among others here who post leading articles in their own right are desimated upon by little weasels who claim to be free thinkers. Not one of you questioned the article at all and when someone else points out who the author is, he's attacked.

Our enemies ..as always.. are within !
It is not Islam(boogeyman of this decade).

And why do you entertain "shorter wars"

How about 'No Wars' !!!

Wars are encouraged by, land grabbers, arms manufacturers for profit, religious fanatacism, a federal reserve bank (that is privately owned. Did you know that ?) who lends the government 'war' money at interest which is guaranteed by the taxpayer ..YOU ! and they make a PROFIT from YOU !

So stop believing the nightly drivel from CNN & FOX News & ABC etc etc(they all traffic in the same propaganda), stop farting and burping around the water cooler/campfire and realise that Republicans and Democrats have all been bought and paid for, are essentially parroting the same party line, your country is a puppet and 'You The People' have lost control of it.

Take It Back !

By gosh, I do believe you've surrounded the reality of the situation extremely well. Well put sir.

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon

What I find interesting but not at all surprising is for some of you who claim to be "bi-partisian" or middle of the road and "objective" all calmor at FTLs feet like hungry little puppies with only their master as their guide.

I, among others here who post leading articles in their own right are desimated upon by little weasels who claim to be free thinkers. Not one of you questioned the article at all and when someone else points out who the author is, he's attacked.

LOL you guys crack me up. Free thinkers my ass!

I never claimed to be bipartisan. As matter of fact technically I am a Republican card carrying dude but always somehow end up voting Green, go figure
Oh, I am not middle of the road either. Clearly I am against any war that is not justified, so I am sorry that my opinion does not complete your enjoyment of watching CNN where people are being blown up with the latest gadgets we spent to defend our country.
I am not a free thinker either since I am a product of my environment which is full of people that would make you feel itchy, you know, hippies
Oh, show me one instance where I clamored to FTL's feet. Come on big guy, I need some homo erotic awakening with feet fetishes on the side, show me da bizness.

I am surprised but not ashamed by your adolescent naivete.
Sorenson, an OBVIOUS liberal is writing with 'restraint' ..and his facts, as G.W.Bush's current FACTS on Iran maybe fast and loose but he is hinting at a deeper problem enveloped in his title ..'Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace' a book that may enlighten you.

Our enemies ..as always.. are within !
It is not Islam(boogeyman of this decade).

And why do you entertain "shorter wars"

How about 'No Wars' !!!

Wars are encouraged by, land grabbers, arms manufacturers for profit, religious fanatacism, a federal reserve bank (that is privately owned. Did you know that ?) who lends the government 'war' money at interest which is guaranteed by the taxpayer ..YOU ! and they make a PROFIT from YOU !

So stop believing the nightly drivel from CNN & FOX News & ABC etc etc(they all traffic in the same propaganda), stop farting and burping around the water cooler/campfire and realise that Republicans and Democrats have all been bought and paid for, are essentially parroting the same party line, your country is a puppet and 'You The People' have lost control of it.