Specifically, I'm looking for rogue classes. The idea of a thieves guild in a large city has been tickling my fancy lately...

There's thief and bard from the PH, gypsy from Domains of Dread, shadow walker from Wizards & Rogues of the Realms, and assassin from The Scarlet Brotherhood. ETA: And ninja from...Complete Ninja. duh.

There is also the Spirit Warrior in the Ninja's Handbook, and the Trader in the Revised Dark Sun campaign setting. Dragon #247 had the Taltos, as well, and the Temporal Raider from the Chronomancer supplement was a multi-class Chronomancer/Thief in a single class package.

AuldDragon wrote:There is also the Spirit Warrior in the Ninja's Handbook, and the Trader in the Revised Dark Sun campaign setting. Dragon #247 had the Taltos, as well, and the Temporal Raider from the Chronomancer supplement was a multi-class Chronomancer/Thief in a single class package.

Havard wrote:Edit: Hmm...actually I cant find any classes from the 2nd Ed era here at all. Very odd.

Only the listings for the Monk from Scarlet Brotherhood and Spells & Magic (the Complete Priest's Handbook is also listed, but it is a kit) are from 2e. There are a few entries from Dragon magazine in the year 1990 after 2e debuted, but they are all 1e classes.

Teazia wrote:Are they? Then why are they on a 2e site?

Strange

Well, they also host a Sage Advice section that includes pre-2e material. It's probably a simple case of someone who works on the site had it sitting around on their computer and decided to publish it.

IIRC, Tales of the Lance has a Handler class for Kenders. Dark Sun has the Trader, but also a Bard class which is different from the standard Bard (it is actually a poison-based assassin).

However, for a Thieves' Guild I'd probably use the character kits in the Complete Thief's Handbook rather than new classes, as they make up a coherent set rather than a diverse collection -- classes from various supplements tend to overlap (e.g., Trader vs Guilder) or to be specialized for a setting (Handler, Ninja).

agathokles wrote:However, for a Thieves' Guild I'd probably use the character kits in the Complete Thief's Handbook rather than new classes, as they make up a coherent set rather than a diverse collection -- classes from various supplements tend to overlap (e.g., Trader vs Guilder) or to be specialized for a setting (Handler, Ninja).

I'd second that. You can also add some thief kits from other sources like the Locksmith from the Complete Book of Dwarves, and most of the thief kits from the Complete Book of Gnomes and Demihumans of the Realms.

Wait; I take that back. One of the ladies in the Friday Night Gaming group would be a perfect kender. She's always tired because of her job hours and has the personality of a cat (self-described). She'd be perfect!

So, discussion and some light reading ends up the following Rogue classes:Rogue ClassesPlayer's Handbook-Thief-BardDomains of Dread-GypsyWizards & Rogues of the Realms-Shadow WalkerScarlet Brotherhood-AssassinComplete Book of Ninja-NinjaDark Sun Campaign Setting, Revised-Courtier (bard; I renamed it, since we already have a bard from the PH)-TraderDragon #247-TaltosHaven's of the Great Bay-GuilderTales of the Lance-Con artists/Prestidigitators-HandlerMasque of the Red Death-TradesmanMaztica -Hishnashapers-Plumaweaver

That's quite some variety, there. Add some kits on top of the classes, and you could have a really fun rogues game.

(ETA Tradesman, from Masque of the Red Death.)(ETA Con artists/Prestidigitators, from Tales of the Lance.)(ETA Hishnashaper/Plumaweaver, from Maztica.)(ETA Courtier (bard), from Dark Sun Campaign Setting, Revised.)

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thorr-kan wrote:The only problem is the name. Core PH has a bard, so the DS bard needs a new name. What do you call an entertainer/poisoner/assassin? I was thinking courtier, but I'm open to suggestions.

thorr-kan wrote:The only problem is the name. Core PH has a bard, so the DS bard needs a new name. What do you call an entertainer/poisoner/assassin? I was thinking courtier, but I'm open to suggestions.

The incomperable Giacomo! King of Jesters, and Jester to the king!

Assassin Bard? Killer Bard? I got nothin.

We've gotta Jester kit.

And I'm not naming an evil, assassinating, bard kit after Danny Kaye! He deserves better than that!

And who was Hawkins impersonating 2/3s of the film? The King o' Jesters and Jester to Kings!

(To anybody who hasn't seen The Court Jester, shame on you! Danny Kaye is a genius, and you oughta view his entire filmography. Right now. Including the Christmas stuff. My opinion is unbiased. Completely. Really.)