Presbyterians in Mexico are breaking ties with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) because of differences over homosexuality.

The theologically conservative National Presbyterian Church of Mexico voted to stop working with the U.S. denomination. U.S. Presbyterians voted last May to remove barriers for ordaining people in same-sex relationships. The churches share a 139-year history and a network of social service ministries that spans the Mexican-U.S. border.

Presbyterian leaders in the United States said Wednesday they are saddened by the decision and hope to find a way they can continue helping the needy in Mexico and along the border.

The vote by the Mexican church was announced as a group of theologically conservative U.S. Presbyterians meet in Minnesota to debate whether they should break with the denomination, which is based in Louisville.

This was expected. The Episcopal Church also has the same division as orthodox congregations seek leadership from those who share the same Biblically correct stance. How sad that the Presbyterians, who once were the vanguard of orthodoxy, have gone the way of the liberal and heretical Episcopal Church.

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posted on 08/29/2011 5:06:30 AM PDT
by sueuprising
(The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)

I've said this before -- I do not believe that there is a gay gene. People may have tendencies to like another of the same gender, but what you described is so unnatural I can't believe it true

Many of those classified in the 2% of whom are gay, are really, imho, experimenters. In our society where "shacking up" is considered so common if you don't do it, you're considered weird, where extra-marital jollies are condoned, where divorce is easier than paying a traffic violation, no wonder people are trying to get their jollies in ever more perverse ways.

welll, technically they were not in orthodoxy as Chesterton would describe it — Anglicans and Lutherans are closer to that. But your point is correct that it is so apparent how the pinkmafia is targetting one Christian group after another

Let’s all remember that the Ubited States Constitution defends the freedom of the church as an unmitigated good against government tyranny and lawlessness.

“Congress shall make no law having to do with a church or other place of worship , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.

To have freedom of secular speech to inluence laws, but not freedom of religious speech to effect laws-—makes the Constitution unbalanced towards the influence of the press over the churches and non-secular worldviews.

Funny thing is that the people who push for science and against religion don’t understand the limits of science or Reason and don’t understand that religious and moral thinking are essential to a free society, being that “rights” themselves are not physical, but are moral/conceptual.

And for people who claim that “science” and Reason should be exhalted as gods, they have little skepticism for the claims of science or rationalism!

My theory is that in many of the cases of first-time sexual encounter the incided happens as mild homosexual experimentation. Then one, or both, of the partners see that way to orgasm is the easiest for them. It then becomes more difficult to approach females and go through the rigors of dating and marriage.

The experimentor then morphs into a died-in-the-wool freak and jumps into the homosexual acid bath.

When one looks at statistics regarding homosexuals, their behavior and their agenda for America (get the kids) they fail to look at the statistic that shows the very dark side of homosexual behavior. One statistic that these perverts neglect to study is that of all serial killings and most one shot murders, the perpetrator is a homosexual.

It is ludicrous that most homosexuals believe that religion is their anathema. They’d rather worship satan and disturb other Christians seeking God. Their spokesmen avoid or deny that redemption is at hand and they can save their souls by confessing their evil and repenting. Instead, those who espouse conversion are the ones getting stoned.

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posted on 08/29/2011 5:51:41 AM PDT
by IbJensen
(God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)

Notice the typical knee-jerk, leftist ideological reaction of the propagandist for the U.S. Presbyterian Church...."we are saddened and hope to find a way to continue helping the needy in Mexico and along the border."

There were no words of soul-searching, no Biblical references, no prayerful analysis, no misgivings, no thoughts of reviewing its pro-homosexual stand, no signs of conscience......just a hard-core Marxist "social justice"/"re-distribute the wealth" platitude in reaction to an integral part of the denomination's "very-being" permanently breaking away.

The effete clergy in the U.S. Presbyterian Church are now not only apostates but they have actually become collared social workers and assistants for the amoral State, not for the real God from whom we get our rights and divine directions for morality.....and for helping the needy.

The Prebyterian Church's sick promotion of the homosexual lifestyle apparantly trumps all reason and biblical faith.

Leni

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posted on 08/29/2011 6:34:56 AM PDT
by MinuteGal
(Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)

I'm sorry I'm not familiar with all the initialed segments of the Presbyterian Church. My comment was in context with the posted article and I'm sure readers got my drift....plus who I was referring to plus the broader points I was making.

Your reference to me having a "tar brush" is hostile and unwarranted. You could have posted your explanatory information in a more brotherly fashion.

Leni

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posted on 08/29/2011 7:19:35 AM PDT
by MinuteGal
(Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)

The problem with homosexuals is their entire world, personal, political, etc..., revolves around sex. They cannot separate anything from the act of sex. They define their being as being homosexuals. Sex is the be all and end all in their lives.

While sex is important in a committed marriage, it is not the only thing. If you take God, family, and commitment away from a marriage and make it all about sex it will fail. Take away sex, even while leaving the rest, and it will also probably fail.

You don’t have to be a scholar of religious demographics to know that membership losses at PCUSA will accelerate, and then the denomination will largely be cast aside as an irrelevant husk.

For those viewing trends through the lens of “he who blesses you will I bless, and he who curses you will I curse,” the recent troubles are perhaps the result of the PCUSA’s anti-Semitic, anti-Israel resolutions (passed overwhelmingly I might add) of 2004. They have since tried to correct this error by stating that the Jews should be excluded from any efforts to share the blessings of salvation in Messiah Jesus.

While sex is important in a committed marriage, it is not the only thing. If you take God, family, and commitment away from a marriage and make it all about sex it will fail. Take away sex, even while leaving the rest, and it will also probably fail.

I disagree with you slightly -- the primary points of marriage are to be God and commitment.

Sex and family may come and go -- what of severely disabled people or very, very old folks? Companionship and God are still there

The problem is when we removed sex from being a component (and not the most important one) of a marriage to be JUST about fun (note: just -- sex should be enjoyable, but should not be just about enjoyment).

By going down this route we said ok to contraception "to prevent mistakes" and for the 5 to 10% of "mistakes", there is the "mistake-corrector" aka "abortion" and if not then "welfare single-mother" and "free to have sex with multiple partners, fathers"

And to avoid this, why not gay sex? it's all related. Plus the ease of getting a divorce "on irreconcilable grounds", societies acceptance of "shacking up" to the extent that if one does NOT do this, then one is considered abnormal etc. etc.

True — as IbJensen put it so well in post 3 “Shoving ones pee-pee up anothers poo-poo is not only an unnatural and unsanitary way of getting ones sexual jollies it is against Gods will “ —> it’s unsanitary and just abnormal.

It’s interesting, too, that when the conservative Episcopalian parishes broke with the ECUSA after it ordained the gay bishop, they joined with a diocese in Africa. Guess we DO have a few things to learn from the “Third World.”

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