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Virginia is 60% white and many whites are liberals in charlottesville and arlington, while the state in the game is center-right on many issues. virginny's rural white population might be right wing but their votes are swamped by non-whites and liberal urbanites...

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Virginia is 60% white and many whites are liberals in charlottesville and arlington, while the state in the game is center-right on many issues. virginny's rural white population might be right wing but their votes are swamped by non-whites and liberal urbanites...

Of course this is the assumption that ALL non-Whites are "liberals" (or, at least, the distorted, warped, and misused definition of "liberal" many Americans and people whose political viewpoint is influenced by the common American zeitgeist of over-simplified political Manichaeiam buy into nowadays), and that the natural state of White voters, when not under "undue social influences and bad media" is to be "conservative" (again, in the faux definition of "conservative" analogous as for "liberal" above). But such an assumption I'd practically expect from koneke/dindu. The problem is, I'm seeing it more and more from people all over the place who are not as extreme and eager to buy into socio-political fairy tails, urban legends, and long-debunked myths as koneke/dindu, and that's what really worries me.

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Of course this is the assumption that ALL non-Whites are "liberals" (or, at least, the distorted, warped, and misused definition of "liberal" many Americans and people whose political viewpoint is influenced by the common American zeitgeist of over-simplified political Manichaeiam buy into nowadays), and that the natural state of White voters, when not under "undue social influences and bad media" is to be "conservative" (again, in the faux definition of "conservative" analogous as for "liberal" above). But such an assumption I'd practically expect from koneke/dindu. The problem is, I'm seeing it more and more from people all over the place who are not as extreme and eager to buy into socio-political fairy tails, urban legends, and long-debunked myths as koneke/dindu, and that's what really worries me.

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Those numbers are interesting. If correct, they suggest that American Jews are quickly becoming American Orthodox Jews, especially when you combine it with fertility rates between Orthodox vs. secular and so on. Looks like a similar situation to Israel, where Orthodox have gone from minor to a significant part of the political landscape.

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Of course, if the Republican party's foreign rhetoric weren't so hostile to their homelands and spreading fear about their religion and it's followers based largely on bad stereotypes and as through they were a unified hive bloc , U.S. Moslem CITIZENS (not illegal immigrants) of harder interpretations of their religions might be more inclined to support the GOP platform socially and economically otherwise.

U.S. Moslem CITIZENS (not illegal immigrants) of harder interpretations of their religions might be more inclined to support the GOP platform socially and economically otherwise.

Why do you always say it as 'moslem'? They're both technically correct as nouns, but as far as I know, only Muslim can be used as an adjective. The only other time I've seen 'Moslem' used is in these Trump groups I used to follow.

Not a Republican, but I don't think that the GOP is more hostile to Islam. Maybe the Democrats could do better if they appealed to Appalachian and Midwestern Americans? Even Texas went less than 10% in 2016, and by 2024, I can almost guarantee it will go under 5% (unless a really electable Republican is nominated) Yet the Dems continue to vilify the working class, and right-wingers.

Why do you always say it as 'moslem'? They're both technically correct as nouns, but as far as I know, only Muslim can be used as an adjective. The only other time I've seen 'Moslem' used is in these Trump groups I used to follow.

Not a Republican, but I don't think that the GOP is more hostile to Islam. Maybe the Democrats could do better if they appealed to Appalachian and Midwestern Americans? Even Texas went less than 10% in 2016, and by 2024, I can almost guarantee it will go under 5% (unless a really electable Republican is nominated) Yet the Dems continue to vilify the working class, and right-wingers.

I think they vilify right-wingers, but they don't vilify the working class, since the Democrats are more of a party of the working class than the Republicans, who also appeal to certain segments of the working class. I think it would be more accurate to say that Democrats vilify right-wingers, evangelicals, the 1%, and the willfully ignorant. Republicans vilify the working poor, minorities, scientists, the very educated. Obviously, this is stereotyping, however.

In regards to "moslem," I never hear or see that word outside of historical texts.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Democrats vilify right-wingers, evangelicals, the 1%, and the willfully ignorant. Republicans vilify the working poor, minorities, scientists, the very educated

Democrats absolutely vilify the working class (except for immigrants). The last Democratic President to appeal to the working class was Bill Clinton. This is why Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and many other states, including 'Blue Wall' stats such as Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, have turned more to the Republican isle.

When Hillary said, "we're gonna put coal miners out of business", she locked in WV, and other states as Republican for the next two elections.

I'll agree the Democrats used to be the pro-labor party, but as of the last four years, the Republicans have made big steps with trade, and outsourcing that they have become the ally of the working class.

Democrats absolutely vilify the working class (except for immigrants). The last Democratic President to appeal to the working class was Bill Clinton. This is why Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and many other states, including 'Blue Wall' stats such as Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, have turned more to the Republican isle.

He may have talked that way but he gave us NAFTA I remind you which absolutely sold out the workers in states with a manufacturing base such as Ohio

21 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

I'll agree the Democrats used to be the pro-labor party, but as of the last four years, the Republicans have made big steps with trade, and outsourcing that they have become the ally of the working class.

What big changes have the GOP did to lead you to the conclusion that they have shifted to a protectionist position only Trump really has made statements of this nature ( given in this area he's been a complete failure such as the renegotiation of NAFTA).

Democrats absolutely vilify the working class (except for immigrants). The last Democratic President to appeal to the working class was Bill Clinton. This is why Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and many other states, including 'Blue Wall' stats such as Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, have turned more to the Republican isle.

When Hillary said, "we're gonna put coal miners out of business", she locked in WV, and other states as Republican for the next two elections.

I'll agree the Democrats used to be the pro-labor party, but as of the last four years, the Republicans have made big steps with trade, and outsourcing that they have become the ally of the working class.

Hillary Clinton's stupid comment doesn't represent the party as a whole. Republicans will be the working class party when the majority of the Labor Unions and other employments and worker's organizations vote Republican. Barack Obama was strongly for the working class, as was Joe Biden. The Republican attacks on minimum wage, healthcare, maternity leave, worker's protections, etc. is clear obvious they aren't a working class party. To put this a little too simplistically, but somewhat accurate, the Democrats are the party of the employees, and the Republicans are the party of the employer. The Working Class is the majority of the workers. The majority of workers--especially wage workers--vote Democrats.

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Why do you always say it as 'moslem'? They're both technically correct as nouns, but as far as I know, only Muslim can be used as an adjective. The only other time I've seen 'Moslem' used is in these Trump groups I used to follow.

Not a Republican, but I don't think that the GOP is more hostile to Islam. Maybe the Democrats could do better if they appealed to Appalachian and Midwestern Americans? Even Texas went less than 10% in 2016, and by 2024, I can almost guarantee it will go under 5% (unless a really electable Republican is nominated) Yet the Dems continue to vilify the working class, and right-wingers.

44 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I think they vilify right-wingers, but they don't vilify the working class, since the Democrats are more of a party of the working class than the Republicans, who also appeal to certain segments of the working class. I think it would be more accurate to say that Democrats vilify right-wingers, evangelicals, the 1%, and the willfully ignorant. Republicans vilify the working poor, minorities, scientists, the very educated. Obviously, this is stereotyping, however.

In regards to "moslem," I never hear or see that word outside of historical texts.

Moslem is actually a direct Romanization of the Classical Arabic word used in the original description in the Quran for "one who submits (to Allah)," given Islam means in the same language "submission (to Allah)." Muslim is a Romanized form of a pronunciation derivation in Common Turkish that became commonly used in the hegemony of the Seljuq and Ottoman Turks, and became far more commonly used by non-Moslem Westerners than the word Moslem itself was (largely, initially, because the Crusades were in the day of Seljuq and early Ottoman Turkish hegemony), which is still (Moslem) the most self-identifier of Arab (and many other ethnicities) Moslems.

Democrats absolutely vilify the working class (except for immigrants). The last Democratic President to appeal to the working class was Bill Clinton. This is why Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and many other states, including 'Blue Wall' stats such as Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, have turned more to the Republican isle.

When Hillary said, "we're gonna put coal miners out of business", she locked in WV, and other states as Republican for the next two elections.

I'll agree the Democrats used to be the pro-labor party, but as of the last four years, the Republicans have made big steps with trade, and outsourcing that they have become the ally of the working class.

Well, I have talked about this alot, Florida didn't decide the Presidential Election of 2000, that was a swing state, it could have gone either way. No, what changed the course of that election was instead a state that was predicted by every outlet to be safely for Al Gore but was carried by Bush by 6 points.... West Virginia. Al Gore's policy on the middle class and environment is what divorced WV from the Democrats. Had he carried West Virginia as all the networks said he would in a landslide, Florida would have been irrelevant. That is my favorite story of the Working Class throwing up in arms and changing the result of an election.

Well, I have talked about this alot, Florida didn't decide the Presidential Election of 2000, that was a swing state, it could have gone either way. No, what changed the course of that election was instead a state that was predicted by every outlet to be safely for Al Gore but was carried by Bush by 6 points.... West Virginia. Al Gore's policy on the middle class and environment is what divorced WV from the Democrats. Had he carried West Virginia as all the networks said he would in a landslide, Florida would have been irrelevant. That is my favorite story of the Working Class throwing up in arms and changing the result of an election.

This is how broken but entrenched a duopoly the U.S. has. The working class has some (legitimate) grievances with a fair number of Democratic candidates. However, because the system, in essence, binary, and most Americans have it drilled into their heads all their lives that only one of two parties can conceivably win and voting for a Third Party or Independent is automatically a wasted (so the rhetoric goes), the only choice of party these disgruntled working class voters have is one that wants to destroy labour unions, working place rights, and employee protections utterly and only empower and enrich the employers, especially the large corporate ones. That is - as Donald Trump's favourite disparaging term goes - SAD!

Moslem is actually a direct Romanization of the Classical Arabic word used in the original description in the Quran for "one who submits (to Allah)," given Islam means in the same language "submission (to Allah)." Muslim is a Romanized form of a pronunciation derivation in Common Turkish that became commonly used in the hegemony of the Seljuq and Ottoman Turks, and became far more commonly used by non-Moslem Westerners than the word Moslem itself was (largely, initially, because the Crusades were in the day of Seljuq and early Ottoman Turkish hegemony), which is still (Moslem) the most self-identifier of Arab (and many other ethnicities) Moslems.

I have some Muslim friends and I've never heard them use the word Moslem to identify themselves. I'm not discounting that what you say is true. I just have no personal evidence for it.