I agree HM the greed is astonishing on both sides of this one.It is a union thing its about negotiations.This b.s. assault on unions is a joke Ronn.What will make you private sector people happy sweatshops.You should be screaming at wall st,and the big corporations.Middle class state employees are not responsible for the demise of this country.You wouldnt of had that attitude if you grew up in buffalo.Your family would ve worked in bethlehem steel and they all wouldve been union.Thats not a fair statement to make and i take offense to it.

i said don't get me started but you did. so here's the problem with unions its a long list so....

1 they protect slackers
2 they don't allow the cream to rise to the top. meaning if someone is very very good at their job the union holds them to the standard set by the union.
3 if you pay a guy 10 and hr you need to figure thecost of a 10 an hr employee at 20 just to break even after all costs are figured in and if he is in the union 40.
4 this very thing drives up the cost of EVERYTHING which is a major reason co move over seas or they raise the cost of goods and services on the other 88% of the pop thats not union. this includes the elderly, the very poor, and those just getting by.
5 unions don't allow pay what the guy is worth.
6 public unions!? that money comes from somewhere.....tax payers that work till they fall over dead and pay for the union guy to retire after 25 years with health care and full pay till he dies.
7 12% of the population are in unions and they hold more power than the other 88%
8 most times its last in first out as with teachers keeping the highest payed teachers on the pay roll and very likely tossing a young brilliant teacher out of a job. i saw a teacher say her desk was closed during the class day. she is protected by the union
9unions are there for their own well being now, not like back in the day when they were there to protect the worker. beside any one with a set will protect themslevs and not trade one master for another.
10 they take labor money and give it to the dems. thats is like the money given to the rep by the banking industry and pharmaceuticals combined. dems by the way that want to take guns end hunting plus other things.
11 they in return for their donations get special perks from the dems once in power. example is big labor is except from this unconstitutional health care law.
12 and there is other stuff that po's me the list is ends less and for every plus i can give you a negative.
13unions and the whole idea of them is borderline communist.

a guy total me to look at it this way. a big company set out a plate of 12 cookies on a table with himself, a union guy, and a non union guy at the table. the big company took eleven and told the non union guy watch out for the union guy he wants your cookie. thats the way my buddy looked at it.

i told him the same story but the change was the big company guy said i'm taking eleven cookies and if you guys don't like it go bake your own cookies. what is wrong with that

the point being that union worker thinks somehow they are owed more than whatever they are getting and the non union guy is working his rear to surpass all limitations asking for no special favors. no one to fight for him, but to let his skills and worth speak for itself and place his own demands.

I make 38,000 a year throwing 20,000pnds of garbage a day.I have 2 artificial disks in my neck if you wanna come do my job anyday your welcome to it.The average private sector worker makes more than me by 13%.Tell your local emts ,cops,firemen ,and nurses that you think there their parasites.Come on and throw some garbage with me in august when its 90 outside.Oh and im not pro obama.You should go work at Walmat they would love you.Pay you crap and treat you like it to.Now my pressure is up c ya.

I make 38,000 a year throwing 20,000pnds of garbage a day.I have 2 artificial disks in my neck if you wanna come do my job anyday your welcome to it.The average private sector worker makes more than me by 13%.Tell your local emts ,cops,firemen ,and nurses that you think there their parasites.Come on and throw some garbage with me in august when its 90 outside.Oh and im not pro obama.You should go work at Walmat they would love you.Pay you crap and treat you like it to.Now my pressure is up c ya.

i am an local emt-i and firefighter or was (call company) come do my job does your skill set meet the pay grade? i'll throw garbage heck i'll pull a sewer pump come play in the septic with me. your 38000 is for what 20? 25 years? then its 38000 for the rest of your life? meaning 38 for 25 plus that again for 50 more not to mention during that 50 tax payers are still paying yet another union worker so if you break it all down its 3 times for 25 years than 6 times for 25 more, all on the taxpayers shoulders? by the way after you retire you get hit with the new round of retires and if you live long enough, which you should hopefully, you'll get the next round as well. how is it payed for? taxes go up. being on a set income are you sure thats what you want? the cost even though you are only getting it once the cost trips for you cause you aren't working any more and then there is your replacement.

yup i gross ok but it took me 25 years to get there and when i need a new hip, not far from now, and the disks in my back fixed, needed soon, im not asking anyone to do it for me.

unions are parasites, the members are most of the time great people that work hard but don't see that for every thing the unions SAYS they are giving them they are taking the equal or even more in the big/long term picture.
that means at 38 a year the cost is 3 times that a year by the time the balance sheet comes to an end. how is this sustainable? its not, and thats what we are seeing. states just can't afford to justify the cost of 3 years for only a years labor

didn't say you were pro obama. i said the union was. do the math after that. keep supporting the union and you'll keep supporting obama whether you like it or not and that is yet another example of why unions are the ruination of this country.

not to mention i did take a job at wally. whats wrong with that? got a problem with a guy working what he has to? besides they got it right. if you work your rear off and try to progress there is room for you to do so. in other words the cream can rise to the top. you want to be a tennis pro, you can at wal-mart. airplane pilots work for wal-mart

where does it say anywhere that a person only has to work for 25 years and get payed for the rest of their life? how does anyone even make this cost effective? it can't work and we are seeing that now across the country.

How could i be so stupid ur right the country needs more WALMART SUPERCENTERS that drive out local stores.We need more employers who show their employees how to stay on welfare for their benefits.This country was built on the backs of UNION STEELWORKERS AND IRONWORKERS and you have no respect for that.Any decent wage you have ever gotten is because of a union.Good luck with your WALMART CAREER.Hope you dont drive their in a TOYOTA.THATS enuff for me anyway good debate.Their has to be a compromise i agree on issues for both sides because AMERICA IS FAILING.POST CLOSED FOR ME.