Generation_D:JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

Crazy Lee:You do understand, don't you, that the Reagan Signed EMTAL of `86 (emergency room must treat regardless of ability to pay) has been adding ~$1000, for a family of 4, through increased private insurance premiums (somebody had to eat the cost of the most poorly implemented `socialized' medicine program EVER -

Oh oh, you must have missed the recent comedy wherein a prominent Republican outright said things along the lines of, "We don't have a setting across this country where if you don't have insurance, we just say to you, 'Tough luck, you're going to die when you have your heart attack," No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it's paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital."

Thus meaning that the poor can either be charity cases, have their tabs picked up by the government (but ONLY for emergency rescue, no mention of preventative care or care for injuries that are crippling but not immediately life-threatening, so it's not socialism then, you see), or make private companies eat the cost whether they want to or not.

Fail in Human Form:Generation_D: JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

Fail in Human Form:I no longer have the letter and they didn't call it "Obamacare" they called it the Affordable Care Act.

Of course they did. The Affordable Care Act is its official name. "Obamacare" is what Republicans call it so they can oppose it with a straight face. Remember, if there's one thing that politicians are good at, it's naming their bills something that sounds good on the surface.

LeoffDaGrate:Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Why do I have the feeling that 90$ of everything you just said is a lie?

Yes, your premiums may have gone up, but... they go up every year, right? Did they, like, triple or something overnight?

And as for your "friends..." highly doubtful. Lots of talk about companies doing the reduced hours to avoid paying Health Care, but... very, very few substantiated cases. Maybe your friends just suck at their jobs?

cameroncrazy1984:Fail in Human Form: Generation_D: JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

Ishidan:Fail in Human Form:I no longer have the letter and they didn't call it "Obamacare" they called it the Affordable Care Act.

Of course they did. The Affordable Care Act is its official name. "Obamacare" is what Republicans call it so they can oppose it with a straight face. Remember, if there's one thing that politicians are good at, it's naming their bills something that sounds good on the surface.

And in ten years when everyone sees that it's an improvement they'll attempt to go back to calling it the Affordable Care Act. Because otherwise they'd be pushing for a voucher system to replace Johnsoncare and privatization of Roosevelt Security.

Fail in Human Form:Generation_D: JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

It's possible you're every bit as stupid as you appear to be, but I prefer to believe that someone's paying you. Welcome to my ignore list.

Nemo's Brother:LeoffDaGrate: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Why do I have the feeling that 90$ of everything you just said is a lie?

Yes, your premiums may have gone up, but... they go up every year, right? Did they, like, triple or something overnight?

And as for your "friends..." highly doubtful. Lots of talk about companies doing the reduced hours to avoid paying Health Care, but... very, very few substantiated cases. Maybe your friends just suck at their jobs?

A republican governor cuts part-time state employees hours and blames it on Obamacare. Have you considered the possibilities that he either didn't have to do that and just wanted something to bash Barack with, or that he's just trying to privatize some of their functions?

Much like Fail's insurance company, saying Obamacare made you do something don't necessarily make it so.

JesusJuice:Fail in Human Form: Generation_D: JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

It's possible you're every bit as stupid as you appear to be, but I prefer to believe that someone's paying you. Welcome to my ignore list.

Is there someplace I can apply for this "shill" job I keep hearing about? I could use the extra money.

Fail in Human Form:You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Yeah it was soo much better when people with pre-existing illness couldn't buy insurance at any price.

You friends who work part-time will now qualify for Medicaid unless their State's Governor is one of the few jack-holes who prefer to side with the Tea-Party than the American public (also assuming they are not very wealthy part-timers).

The best part about "Obama Care" is that is it moving us closer to single payer. Lots of hurdles to overcome, but it's a start.

Fail in Human Form:amyldoanitrite: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

I don't know what state you live in, but here in CA, once our state starts its insurance exchange, my family of 4 can get coverage for $124/month at my current income level. This will also be the first time my wife will have had insurance in more than 10 years do to a pre-existing condition.

So yeah, Obamacare is pretty f'ing great from my POV. Would I prefer true single payer? You bet. But this is certainly an improvement.

Fail in Human Form:cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: Not a clue. The HMO doesn't send me a letter explaining every detail of their business amazingly.

Well then how do you know they increased their rates because of the new law?

I got a letter saying so and a letter explaining the percent paid on premiums requirement. Not a detailed list of why.

You're serious? Really? You got a letter explaining why your premiums went up from the HMO, and you believed them?

OK then.

Here's one plausible explanation. The accountants with your HMO did some calculations based on the profit limit in the affordable health care act, played with some costs, and then figured out the maximum you could be charged.

They then charge it.

Of course, rather than writing into their letter that they're all greedy SOBs, they'll just write and say - because ObummerCare.

Depending on where you live in Ohio, that will certainly deflect the blame and rile up the base for those pesky midterm elections.

And if you look at it from their slanted point of view, yes the affordable health care act caused your premiums to be raised. They saw a way to make more money in a constrained market (it's them or BC/BS), stay within the guidelines, and blame it on someone else.

Fail in Human Form:You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Boo hoo. If you have to pay more in premiums or co-pays so that two other Americans can have health insurance and not die of disease because they can't pay, I'm okay with that. If a little discomfort for you saves someone else's life, I'm okay with that. You were not the target population for Obamacare. It's not just about you. Biatching about what you have to give up so that others can have something they need is Republicanism 101.

The horrors of the healthcare system prior to Obamacare were very, very real, even if they didn't effect you. Having your insurance cancel you when you get sick. Not being able to even get insurance because you had asthma as a child (pre-existing). Services being denied and people literally left to die. You may have had it great with your health insurance before Obamacare, but other people are dead because of it. Again, it's not just about you.

Nemo's Brother:LeoffDaGrate: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Why do I have the feeling that 90$ of everything you just said is a lie?

Yes, your premiums may have gone up, but... they go up every year, right? Did they, like, triple or something overnight?

And as for your "friends..." highly doubtful. Lots of talk about companies doing the reduced hours to avoid paying Health Care, but... very, very few substantiated cases. Maybe your friends just suck at their jobs?

Fail in Human Form:cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: Generation_D: JesusJuice: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Paid shill's gonna shill.

Pretty much this. Or the worlds most incompetent employee when it comes to his own health care, who knows or cares.

Vague reasoning, no examples, just "it sucks now and this is why" without any citation.

Goin on my ignore, have a nice life troll.

Right, everyone who expresses their own concerns is a troll or a shill. You won't see this but I'm glad you put me on ignore asshole.

Fail in Human Form:A Dark Evil Omen: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong.

1. All I've seen are premiums go up,

You're sure you no longer have a copy of that letter from your HMO? You might want to ask them toemail you a pdf copy so you can check the date and info provided.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/costs/rate-review/index.htmlRate ReviewThe Affordable Care Act creates a Rate Review program in your state to help protect individuals and small businesses from unreasonable health insurance rate increases. Starting on September 1, 2011, health insurers must justify any rate increase of 10% or more before the increase takes effect.

Your insurance company can't raise rates by 10% or more without first explaining its reasons to your state or federal Rate Review program. All explanations will be posted on HealthCare.gov and your Rate Review program will give you a chance to comment on them.

2. my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care,

www.healthcare.gov/news/brochures/info-for-small-businesses.pdf

page 12:You may be eligible for tax credits to help you pay for your employees' insurance.The credits are as large as 35% today and rise to 50% in 2014.You might qualify if you:1) have low-wage workers,2) pay at least 50% of the premium cost, and3) have up to 25 full-time equivalent employees.You can get more information on this at the IRS website: www.irs.gov/sbhtc.(Beginning in 2014, you will need to buy your company's coverage through theAffordable Insurance Exchange in your State to get the tax credit.)

Forcing employees to a part time schedule may not work out if the employer loses productivework from that employee, but still ends up averaging over 30 hours per week for 3-6 monthsof reporting. Or has them in part time service consistently for more that 750 hours (9 months).

3. the co-pay on everything double

See the answer on point 1 - they can't change rates more than 10% without documented justification.

, and impending fines.

What fines are you referring to?

Everything I just said is from first hand experience. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Fail in Human Form:You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Wait, so your company decided to cut hours in order to save money and that's Obamacare's fault? What are you, 5? "If you hadn't put the cookie jar where I could reach it, I wouldn't have snuck some cookies before dinner. It's YOUR fault I ate those cookies!"

Nemo's Brother:LeoffDaGrate: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Why do I have the feeling that 90$ of everything you just said is a lie?

Yes, your premiums may have gone up, but... they go up every year, right? Did they, like, triple or something overnight?

And as for your "friends..." highly doubtful. Lots of talk about companies doing the reduced hours to avoid paying Health Care, but... very, very few substantiated cases. Maybe your friends just suck at their jobs?

What was wrong? He said "few" substantiated cases, not "none". Besides, in Virginia, full-time is considered 32 or more hours, so a cut to 29 hours is at most a 2-hour per week cut. Not really the "severe reduction" to which he was responding.

Seequinn:Fail in Human Form: A Dark Evil Omen: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong.

1. All I've seen are premiums go up,

You're sure you no longer have a copy of that letter from your HMO? You might want to ask them toemail you a pdf copy so you can check the date and info provided.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/costs/rate-review/index.htmlRate ReviewThe Affordable Care Act creates a Rate Review program in your state to help protect individuals and small businesses from unreasonable health insurance rate increases. Starting on September 1, 2011, health insurers must justify any rate increase of 10% or more before the increase takes effect.

Your insurance company can't raise rates by 10% or more without first explaining its reasons to your state or federal Rate Review program. All explanations will be posted on HealthCare.gov and your Rate Review program will give you a chance to comment on them.

2. my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care,

www.healthcare.gov/news/brochures/info-for-small-businesses.pdf

page 12:You may be eligible for tax credits to help you pay for your employees' insurance.The credits are as large as 35% today and rise to 50% in 2014.You might qualify if you:1) have low-wage workers,2) pay at least 50% of the premium cost, and3) have up to 25 full-time equivalent employees.You can get more information on this at the IRS website: www.irs.gov/sbhtc.(Beginning in 2014, you will need to buy your company's coverage through theAffordable Insurance Exchange in your State to get the tax credit.)

see also http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/tr12-01.html

Forcing employees to a part time schedule may not work out if the employer loses productivework from that employee, but still ends up averaging over 30 hours per week for 3-6 monthsof reporting. Or has them in part time service consistently for more that 750 hours ...

As I understand the part time thing you can either do the measurement monthly or annually. We cut the part timers down to 25 hours/week.The fines are the ones imposed for not having insurance which I believe goes into effect in '14Heading off to check that website you listed now.

Soup4Bonnie:spend the thread discussing how awful Obamacare is with an obvious idiot rather than look at the steaming pile of shiat Ryan is again trying to warm up and serve to seniors.

Since they've already tried like 50 brazillion times to repeal it and lost seats in the ensuing election, I don't see why looking at Ryan's poop would be more illuminating that sharing stories about how our actual situations have gotten better. Mine has as well.

cameroncrazy1984:The American public is so hungry to repeal Obamacare that the re-elected the guy who signed it.

that's basically what Chris Wallace said to Ryan. I haven't seen Wallace stop a guest so often to dispute them in some time.* Wallace was all over Ryan about the medicare vouchers. politely but firmly.

Fail in Human Form:A Dark Evil Omen: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Your name is accurate.

Everything I just said is from first hand experience. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Yeah none of those things have happened to you or anyone you know. You are a lying sack of shiat, begone from this place and bother decent folks no more.

gaspode:Fail in Human Form: A Dark Evil Omen: Fail in Human Form: You know what, I bought into the promise of "Obama Care". I was wrong. All I've seen are premiums go up, my friends who work part time get their hours severely reduced so the companies don't have to offer them care, the co-pay on everything double, and impending fines. The status quo before wasn't sustainable... but this farking sucks.

Your name is accurate.

Everything I just said is from first hand experience. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Yeah none of those things have happened to you or anyone you know. You are a lying sack of shiat, begone from this place and bother decent folks no more.

I don't know, in reading his posts I don't think he is a liar, it sounds like someone he listens to is a derper and he isn't educated enough to know why that person is wrong/lying.