I'm a white South African. Moved to the netherlands 9,5 years ago. The country did better during apartheid, after it I saw things go downhill, our economy went to shit even though we produce alot of valueble resources.

I think it was planned, it's the standard african policy. Destroy the country and their resources will be available cheap.

I do not blame my black comrades, oppressing them only made it easier to corrupt them. We now see wide-scale corruption of government, the police force. Those in power in South Africa don't even know they are being manipulated purely for the land's resources. They've been oppressed for years and subject to cruelty so their mentality is take what they can get. unfortunently they don't see those behind the scences.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

Yes, "better" for whites... duh

Here's more brilliant insight for you. Nazism was better for non-jewish people. American slavery was better for whites. Native Americans were better off before Columbus came.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144326

no ... better for all retard ..USA sold this country out to ensure they had cheap access to our minerals ... by handing over to black rule they acknowledge its a matter of time b4 the country is reliant on US aid and US companies 'developing' the mining ind or bribing the current sods

but dont hassle ... what goes around comes around ... your country is well on its way to becomming 3rd world up to its eyeballs in debt and > half the population are dumbass half breeds ... haha u even reached the stage of electing one as yr leader

you might be the biggest and strongest nation in world right now .. ever wonder why u have never won a war ?? not one ... its because wars cannot be won on tech alone .. it needs human resources that hv IQ's > 10

eva wondered why yr industry is down ... yr citizens are too lazy/dumb to work ...

I grew up in the apatheid era, spent over 30 years of my life there, and was concripted to 2 years national service (army) ...

and frankly, I don't give a fucking shit about that dump now, but do feel sorry for the white people who are stuck there with the wrong passports and cannot get out ... they live in fear

most of the white people who could get out, already have, and have taken their families to europe, UK, australia or the US .... ask any heathrow airport official ... even the black people are trying to flee the country and get caught out at heathrow airport

those white people who can get out, but remain to stay there, do so as they are making good money, but I can promise that many have plans and 'nest eggs' in other countries

I recently visited .... the place stinks ... you even have to get your luggage clingwrapped at airports ... the roads are full of potholes .... and many properties owned by white people have electric fences, armed response alarm systems, bullterriers and rotweilers and burgular bars on all windows and doors (god help if there is a home fire)

corruption is rife within the government/police force, crime is the highest in the world, aids and poverty is high, and the country has a baboon for a president who was convicted of fraud, and who commited rape ...

educated white people cannot get work as they have 'affirmative action' .... i.e. they hire 5 baboons to do the same job as 1 qualified competant white person

these my friends, are facts, and I speak from the heart

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543518

you got that right, on my farm we have 2 gaurds with auto rifles, 2 dobermanns and 2 rottweleirs, a alarm, electric fences and we are linked to a national security agency

South Africa is in danger of going the way of Zimbabwe. Also, S.A. is experiencing a huge brain drain, as educated white South Africans are taking their skills overseas, mostly to Australia, western Europe, and Canada. It's a shame. It's a beautiful country, with MOSTLY good people. But the corruption of the leaders and their reticence to tackle the country's major problems, are destroying the country.

If you go to South Africa, spend most of your time in the Western Cape Province, including Cape Town.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

Elon Musk is quoted as saying he left SA because he didn't want to wind up being a military conscript beating up blacks. That says it all right there.

South Africa, under apartheid, was responsible for allowing Namibia to become a democratic nation, with a democratically-elected black leader. This, after South Africa helped fight the communists in Angola, where Cuban guerrillas were trying to export their communist ideals through force. Now, Namibia is a stable, free nation. South Africa did a lot of good things during its years of apartheid.

Violent crime and rampant corruption are the order of the day,living standards have gone down for all south africans,black or white,they all live in fear for their daily survival.The only one's who have a better standard of living are the 1%.It's every man,woman and child for themselves in this violent cesspool.

Violent crime and rampant corruption are the order of the day,living standards have gone down for all south africans,black or white,they all live in fear for their daily survival.The only one's who have a better standard of living are the 1%.It's every man,woman and child for themselves in this violent cesspool.

Quoting: stormer

Damn. That sucks.

I met an American lady who married a South African guy and they lived outside of J'burg for about 10 years. She said she slept with a gun under her pillow. And she said if she walked outside her house, even just to set the water going on her lawn, or get something from her car, or whatever, she'd have to shut and lock the front door behind her. You can't let your guard down for a second.

What are the crime and living conditions like in Durban, where there is a predominance of Indians?

Violent crime and rampant corruption are the order of the day,living standards have gone down for all south africans,black or white,they all live in fear for their daily survival.The only one's who have a better standard of living are the 1%.It's every man,woman and child for themselves in this violent cesspool.

Quoting: stormer

Damn. That sucks.

I met an American lady who married a South African guy and they lived outside of J'burg for about 10 years. She said she slept with a gun under her pillow. And she said if she walked outside her house, even just to set the water going on her lawn, or get something from her car, or whatever, she'd have to shut and lock the front door behind her. You can't let your guard down for a second.

What are the crime and living conditions like in Durban, where there is a predominance of Indians?

Quoting: Thor's Hamster

The CBD of 'Dirtbin' is a hellhole.The north coast of kwa-zulu is mostly retired professionals,they also live behind razor-wired fences in perpetual fear.

Violent crime and rampant corruption are the order of the day,living standards have gone down for all south africans,black or white,they all live in fear for their daily survival.The only one's who have a better standard of living are the 1%.It's every man,woman and child for themselves in this violent cesspool.

Quoting: stormer

Damn. That sucks.

I met an American lady who married a South African guy and they lived outside of J'burg for about 10 years. She said she slept with a gun under her pillow. And she said if she walked outside her house, even just to set the water going on her lawn, or get something from her car, or whatever, she'd have to shut and lock the front door behind her. You can't let your guard down for a second.

What are the crime and living conditions like in Durban, where there is a predominance of Indians?

Quoting: Thor's Hamster

The CBD of 'Dirtbin' is a hellhole.The north coast of kwa-zulu is mostly retired professionals,they also live behind razor-wired fences in perpetual fear.

Quoting: stormer

I see. Damn, that's horrendous.

Cape Town's still, more or less, nice, though, right? And most of the Western Cape is still good?

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

End of segregation was just the first step into the revolution, now black people need to kick your nazi assess off their country.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

Yes, "better" for whites... duh

Here's more brilliant insight for you. Nazism was better for non-jewish people. American slavery was better for whites. Native Americans were better off before Columbus came.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144326

exactly, and since more than a majority are black in SA, the OP is an idiot.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1489777

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

Yes, "better" for whites... duh

Here's more brilliant insight for you. Nazism was better for non-jewish people. American slavery was better for whites. Native Americans were better off before Columbus came.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144326

exactly, and since more than a majority are black in SA, the OP is an idiot.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1489777

Educate yourself before you speak on such matters. The corruption in SA has become such an issue that even the majority black population admits another change is needed. Only those with power are prospering in an ANC run SA. All countries are ignoring the white farmers genocide for the fear of being called a racist. When political correctness trumps human lives you know humanity is in BIG trouble. We pray for ALL of SA's citizens.

if you are white, it was definately better .... it was safe ... South Africa was like rural villages in the UK ... your children could walk the streets, play in the parks, robberies were scarce, serious violence was scarce, there was lots of work (even during the sanctions, as instead of importing, we manufactured everything we needed)

now, white people live behind 6 foot walls, have rottweilers and burgular bars ... white people had to hand in their guns (their only means of protecting themselves) .... the thugs have guns and rob and murder white people in broad daylight .... Police and government officials are corrupt

white people are scared .... those who could leave have left .... the ramained have the wrong passports or have no money to emmigrate

bottom line: South Africa is fucked .... even the blacks are trying to flee (they try to slip in the UK daily, and at Heathrow airport, hundreds get turned away)

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

End of segregation was just the first step into the revolution, now black people need to kick your nazi assess off their country.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24941649

Most blacks in South Africa had it better under the white apartheid government. That's not a politically correct thing to say, but that doesn't make it not true.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

lol SA isn't a third world country.

Quoting: Erra

how can it not be every 187 of 5000 people in south africa are murdered while in america its every 5 of 5000

Quoting: JOHN 1541875

Just curious, what was the murder rate under apartheid? Shhh, I bet it was lower.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

End of segregation was just the first step into the revolution, now black people need to kick your nazi assess off their country.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24941649

Most blacks in South Africa had it better under the white apartheid government. That's not a politically correct thing to say, but that doesn't make it not true.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

End of segregation was just the first step into the revolution, now black people need to kick your nazi assess off their country.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24941649

Most blacks in South Africa had it better under the white apartheid government. That's not a politically correct thing to say, but that doesn't make it not true.

you may think that the white people "tortured" black people during aparthied or that mandela was just fighting for a "better" south afrika but i'll tell you the SA was a first world country while apartheid was in motion until the "kindness" of nato turned SA into a third world country and that mandela wasnt fighting for freedom, he was a communist' terrorist and was trying to overthrow the SA government, he was a terrorist, worse than al-qeada.:

Quoting: john 1540422

End of segregation was just the first step into the revolution, now black people need to kick your nazi assess off their country.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24941649

Most blacks in South Africa had it better under the white apartheid government. That's not a politically correct thing to say, but that doesn't make it not true.

I'm a white South African. Moved to the netherlands 9,5 years ago. The country did better during apartheid, after it I saw things go downhill, our economy went to shit even though we produce alot of valueble resources.

I think it was planned, it's the standard african policy. Destroy the country and their resources will be available cheap.

I do not blame my black comrades, oppressing them only made it easier to corrupt them. We now see wide-scale corruption of government, the police force. Those in power in South Africa don't even know they are being manipulated purely for the land's resources. They've been oppressed for years and subject to cruelty so their mentality is take what they can get. unfortunently they don't see those behind the scences.