DOZENS of staff at the troubled St Aldhelm's Academy could be made redundant in a major shake-up due to take place in September.

Vice Principals and senior teaching staff are among those whose jobs are at risk under a new structure set to come into play for the new academic year.

The academy was recently served with a financial notice to improve by the government.

The Daily Echo has learned that staff were warned in April that more than 30 posts were to go by the then Principal Cheryl Heron.

Last week Ms Heron left her post without warning, to be replaced by interim head Monica Cross.

Mrs Cross has called a halt to the redundancy process started by her predecessor but is now working on a replacement.

She said: “The staff will be reduced - the school has been over-staffed. It will all be done appropriately and properly.”

Mrs Cross was due to talk to staff last night - Monday June 2 - and detailed proposals will go out to staff and teaching unions soon.

The original proposals were for more than 30 posts to be made redundant with 18 new posts created.

Documents also outlined changes to the school day and the curriculum including moving from a 30-hour teaching week to a 25-hour teaching week.

Students will finish school at 3.30pm on Mondays, 2.30pm on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays and 1pm on Wednesdays if the proposals go ahead.

There will also be changes to Key Stage groups due to national changes to exams.

A consultation document given to staff said: “Due to the continuing serious nature of the academy's financial position and the continued low number on roll, there is a need to radically review our structures.

“There are new posts available in the new structure and we will make every effort to appoint present academy staff to these posts.”

Chair of Governors Tony Moore sent a letter to parents before the half term break, stressing the school's commitment to its pupils.

He said: “Monica Cross, a very experienced Principal, has been appointed by the governors and sponsors as Principal until new sponsors take over the academy.

“She has already started to work with staff, sponsors and governors to ensure that every young person at St Aldhelm's gets the quality education they deserve. This will be our total focus over the next few months.”

And he told the Echo: “Funding is given by the government based on the number of children in the school. Forecasts were made that the numbers would increase but that has not happened. The academy is over-staffed.”

He said start-up funding allocated when it first became an academy has also come to an end.

St Aldhelm's Academy history

St Aldhelm's Academy was launched on the site of the former Rossmore Community College in 2010.

Independent of local authority control, the aim was to improve the school's dismal reputation and exam results which put it near the bottom of national league tables.

But just a year later it officially recorded the worst exam results in the country with just three per cent of its pupils gaining the national benchmark standard of at least five GCSEs at grades A*-C, including English and maths.

Since then results have improved but last year's figure of 31 per cent left the academy in the bottom 50 secondary schools in England and the worst in Poole, Bournemouth or Dorset.

Earlier this month the Daily Echo revealed how staff at St Aldhelm's fell prey to an email scam, losing more than £1million. The scam is at the centre of a major police investigation.

Around £1.1 million was withdrawn from a school account after staff gave away access codes to criminals posing as bank officials.

It has since been served with a financial notice to improve by the Department for Education and must now submit a detailed action plan outlining how it will improve its finances.

The scam is believed to be connected to the rebuild of the school and the money was due to be paid to developers Kier.

The firm carried out a £9.8 million redevelopment of the school last year with pupils and staff moving into state-of-the-art new accommodation last September.

The academy is currently sponsored by Bournemouth University and the Diocese of Salisbury but there are moves to make it part of a larger academy chain.

Whilst recently talking to a tutor at this school I was gladly informed that it is not recognised as a school...it is now a learning space!!!

Jetwasher says...
Academy, is this the new micky mouse word they use instead school ?
Whilst recently talking to a tutor at this school I was gladly informed that it is not recognised as a school...it is now a learning space!!!AmsterdamMan

Whilst recently talking to a tutor at this school I was gladly informed that it is not recognised as a school...it is now a learning space!!!

Doesn't sound like anyone learns much there!

[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote:
Jetwasher says...
Academy, is this the new micky mouse word they use instead school ?
Whilst recently talking to a tutor at this school I was gladly informed that it is not recognised as a school...it is now a learning space!!![/p][/quote]Doesn't sound like anyone learns much there!speedy231278

Academy - new Politically Correct name for dismally failing schools. I pity the decent hard working kids who do go to that school - they appear to be being dragged down by the others & staff & sponsors who haven't a clue. Again, I'm sure there are some good staff there but they too are being dragged down by those who aren't. Too much time being spent on political correctness, too little on teaching? Don't waste time looking for new sponsors, return it to Council control.

Academy - new Politically Correct name for dismally failing schools. I pity the decent hard working kids who do go to that school - they appear to be being dragged down by the others & staff & sponsors who haven't a clue. Again, I'm sure there are some good staff there but they too are being dragged down by those who aren't. Too much time being spent on political correctness, too little on teaching? Don't waste time looking for new sponsors, return it to Council control.RM

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.

[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.Bournemouth87

Perhaps this is the problem now, too many wishy washy 'thinkers' coming up with ideas and not enough staff getting on and actually teaching the basics.

By and large teachers do a good job and the majority work ruddy hard, but schools seem to be going the way of the NHS, not enough people on the floor getting the job done.

I went to Kemp Welch when it was an actual school, not the greatest but certainly didn't do me (or my parents before me) any harm.
I don't recall the school having this many non-core teaching stafc though:
Two Vice Principals
Four Teaching and Learning Co-ordinators
Four Progress Managers
Two Advanced Skills Teachers
Three Lead Teachers
Alpha Provision Co-ordinator
e-learning Co-ordinator
Assistant Inclusion Manager
Quality Assurance Manager
Exams Officer
Finance Manager
Business Support Services Manager
Learning Resource Centre Assistant
Environment and Technology Manager
Facilities Manager
Site Manager
Student Receptionist
Two days of School Games Organiser
Perhaps this is the problem now, too many wishy washy 'thinkers' coming up with ideas and not enough staff getting on and actually teaching the basics.
By and large teachers do a good job and the majority work ruddy hard, but schools seem to be going the way of the NHS, not enough people on the floor getting the job done.boardsandphotos

Jetwasher wrote: Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.

That's funny - my friend's a teacher (with a PGCE) and she earns significantly more than the admin staff in my office. A starting wage of £21k is a good wage and that's before they've gained experience and taken on additional responsibility which boosts their wage. What admin roles do you know of where you can go straight from school/uni onto £21k?

[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth87[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote: Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.[/p][/quote]That's funny - my friend's a teacher (with a PGCE) and she earns significantly more than the admin staff in my office. A starting wage of £21k is a good wage and that's before they've gained experience and taken on additional responsibility which boosts their wage. What admin roles do you know of where you can go straight from school/uni onto £21k?rozmister

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.

If teachers think they can get better paid doing an admin job then I suggest that they go and get an admin job. My friend gets £16.5k for doing an admin job, 37 hours a week, with 4 weeks paid holiday, with 10 years experience. Name one teacher on that little money.
All my adult life teachers have been moaning. I am sick of them.

[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth87[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.[/p][/quote]If teachers think they can get better paid doing an admin job then I suggest that they go and get an admin job. My friend gets £16.5k for doing an admin job, 37 hours a week, with 4 weeks paid holiday, with 10 years experience. Name one teacher on that little money.
All my adult life teachers have been moaning. I am sick of them.susi.m

I feel sorry for the kids who attend that actually want to learn and do their best, surely they are the ones who are being failed big time by the previous actions of this school and the changes they propose going forward?

I feel sorry for the kids who attend that actually want to learn and do their best, surely they are the ones who are being failed big time by the previous actions of this school and the changes they propose going forward?canfordcherry

I went to this this establishment 1961 - 66 when it was still two schools - you all went down the drive then it was boys to the left & girls to the right Each School had a Head, Deputy Head & School Secretary with one Caretaker for the whole site. Discipline was still enforceable (One of my class-mated was done-over with a knuckle-duster & his assailant was out of the school for good by 10.00.a.m. the same morning. One of my class-mates was nearly expelled for (initially) refusing to be caned for smoking on his way to/from school.) & both schools had very good academic standing re exam results, etc Teachers, in the main, were respected (one of the younger ones is a regular e-correspondent on these pages)& my early years there were under the Headmaster who had been in place since the school opened in 1938! The school day ran ram 9.00.a.m. (starting with daily Assembly) to 4.15.p.m. and during your GCSE year, depending on your choice of options, one also had 3 - 5 evenings of Night School (2 hour sessions). The rot set-in when it went co-ed w.e.f from the 1974/75 Academic Year and subsequently the site was greatly (arguably, over-) expanded. The Boys' School had an organ, built by Woodwork & Metalwork teachers & students at minimal expense, which even in my time was insured for a significant six-figure sum and would have done credit to a cathedral: it was subsequently allowed to go into terminal decay. The rest, even with several changes of name, is, as they say, history. The only solution is for the entire education system to be allowed to return to good, old-fashioned (not quite Victorian) ways / values - but that would necessitate legislative changes to permit the appropriate enforcement of discipline, etc!

I went to this this establishment 1961 - 66 when it was still two schools - you all went down the drive then it was boys to the left & girls to the right Each School had a Head, Deputy Head & School Secretary with one Caretaker for the whole site. Discipline was still enforceable (One of my class-mated was done-over with a knuckle-duster & his assailant was out of the school for good by 10.00.a.m. the same morning. One of my class-mates was nearly expelled for (initially) refusing to be caned for smoking on his way to/from school.) & both schools had very good academic standing re exam results, etc Teachers, in the main, were respected (one of the younger ones is a regular e-correspondent on these pages)& my early years there were under the Headmaster who had been in place since the school opened in 1938! The school day ran ram 9.00.a.m. (starting with daily Assembly) to 4.15.p.m. and during your GCSE year, depending on your choice of options, one also had 3 - 5 evenings of Night School (2 hour sessions). The rot set-in when it went co-ed w.e.f from the 1974/75 Academic Year and subsequently the site was greatly (arguably, over-) expanded. The Boys' School had an organ, built by Woodwork & Metalwork teachers & students at minimal expense, which even in my time was insured for a significant six-figure sum and would have done credit to a cathedral: it was subsequently allowed to go into terminal decay. The rest, even with several changes of name, is, as they say, history. The only solution is for the entire education system to be allowed to return to good, old-fashioned (not quite Victorian) ways / values - but that would necessitate legislative changes to permit the appropriate enforcement of discipline, etc!Parkstonian

The real scandal here is how this mess was allowed to happen and there are two factors above all others:
1. The academies system which does not have the proper checks and balances and democratic accountability. A former headteacher has been allowed to experiment with children's educational lives using her idiosyncratic ideas and has been allowed to fail with catastrophic results for children and adults alike.
2. The governors and sponsors have not been responsible with adults' and children's welfare. How was this staffing situation allowed to happen? Were local people's views taken into account with the school day times? Are they being now? If you are going to end the school day at one, surely parents need to be properly consulted before a decision is taken.

I would like to hear from the Diocese of Salisbury and the University and hear them taking responsibility. an apology would be a start.

The real scandal here is how this mess was allowed to happen and there are two factors above all others:
1. The academies system which does not have the proper checks and balances and democratic accountability. A former headteacher has been allowed to experiment with children's educational lives using her idiosyncratic ideas and has been allowed to fail with catastrophic results for children and adults alike.
2. The governors and sponsors have not been responsible with adults' and children's welfare. How was this staffing situation allowed to happen? Were local people's views taken into account with the school day times? Are they being now? If you are going to end the school day at one, surely parents need to be properly consulted before a decision is taken.
I would like to hear from the Diocese of Salisbury and the University and hear them taking responsibility. an apology would be a start.Odysseus1

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

I don't think it's the teaching staff suggesting these times, they are all facing redundancy and with reduced hours will come reduced pay, so let's get it right, it's the bean counters suggesting a way of saving money following their monumental c**k up with the email fraud. This is what happens when you privatise public services, it becomes a profit making business and so saving money is the name of the game. Exactly the same has happened with the local patient transport service being taken out of NHS control and given to private company, it's fallen apart. When will the government realise that privatising public services is a false economy as they are spending more and more on bailing them out when it all goes belly up!

[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's the teaching staff suggesting these times, they are all facing redundancy and with reduced hours will come reduced pay, so let's get it right, it's the bean counters suggesting a way of saving money following their monumental c**k up with the email fraud. This is what happens when you privatise public services, it becomes a profit making business and so saving money is the name of the game. Exactly the same has happened with the local patient transport service being taken out of NHS control and given to private company, it's fallen apart. When will the government realise that privatising public services is a false economy as they are spending more and more on bailing them out when it all goes belly up!Abc1970

What an absolute farce this supposed 'educational' establishment is .
Who made the crazy decision regarding school hours finishing at 1pm on a Wednesday and 2.30pm on three other days per week?. I suspect a hidden underlying reason re not enough money to keep it open longer during the day. Local kids deserve better than this ...give it back to local council administration, or close it .... this experiment has failed!!

What an absolute farce this supposed 'educational' establishment is .
Who made the crazy decision regarding school hours finishing at 1pm on a Wednesday and 2.30pm on three other days per week?. I suspect a hidden underlying reason re not enough money to keep it open longer during the day. Local kids deserve better than this ...give it back to local council administration, or close it .... this experiment has failed!!PRF

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.

They knew what the wages were when they signed up for the job. If they don't like it, then they shouldn't have signed. If they can't be bothered to do the best they can for the children in their care, then they should be sacked. Low wages is no excuse for sloppy work. There are some very dedicated teachers out there, but equally there a quite a number of lazy good for nothing ones too. It seems to me that the old adage "those who can do, those who can't, teach" seems to be the case at this so called academy.

[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth87[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]Remember also how much teachers get paid, not alot, they are better off getting an admin job where they will get paid more than teaching. Maybe this is why teachers in secondrey schools dont put in too much effort now. You say short hours, most teachers have to lesson plan from home in their own time. Maybe if teachers got paid what they should they might do a better job as some of these awful schools.[/p][/quote]They knew what the wages were when they signed up for the job. If they don't like it, then they shouldn't have signed. If they can't be bothered to do the best they can for the children in their care, then they should be sacked. Low wages is no excuse for sloppy work. There are some very dedicated teachers out there, but equally there a quite a number of lazy good for nothing ones too. It seems to me that the old adage "those who can do, those who can't, teach" seems to be the case at this so called academy.ShuttleX

So what do the working parents do when their 11/12 year old comes out of school at 1pm on a Wednesday? I wouldn't want a child of mine at that age left to their own devices. Many of the parents who will not leave a child of that age to roam the streets will have to either cut their working hours or even give up jobs. The main aim of schools being made compulsory many years ago was to educate and they were also set up as a form of social control so young people were not left to their own devices, often causing havoc. It now appears the social control and the education comes way down the list and ££££££££££
££££ signs are right up there at the top. of the list.

So what do the working parents do when their 11/12 year old comes out of school at 1pm on a Wednesday? I wouldn't want a child of mine at that age left to their own devices. Many of the parents who will not leave a child of that age to roam the streets will have to either cut their working hours or even give up jobs. The main aim of schools being made compulsory many years ago was to educate and they were also set up as a form of social control so young people were not left to their own devices, often causing havoc. It now appears the social control and the education comes way down the list and ££££££££££
££££ signs are right up there at the top. of the list.charlie2004

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

I don't think it's the teaching staff suggesting these times, they are all facing redundancy and with reduced hours will come reduced pay, so let's get it right, it's the bean counters suggesting a way of saving money following their monumental c**k up with the email fraud. This is what happens when you privatise public services, it becomes a profit making business and so saving money is the name of the game. Exactly the same has happened with the local patient transport service being taken out of NHS control and given to private company, it's fallen apart. When will the government realise that privatising public services is a false economy as they are spending more and more on bailing them out when it all goes belly up!

These Academies are NOT privatised commercial businesses, one way or another they remain mainly or wholly state funded but simply outside local Council control and they operate on a 'not for profit' Charitable Trust basis.

In addition the whole principle of these opt-out Academies did NOT come from this current Tory Government it was the brainchild of a past left-wing Labour Government and initiated under Tony Blair's premiership.

In so far as closing this Academy at 13.00hrs and 14:30hrs and turning the kids out onto the streets it defies belief and it tells everyone all they need to know about this hopeless institution.

Poor kids!

[quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's the teaching staff suggesting these times, they are all facing redundancy and with reduced hours will come reduced pay, so let's get it right, it's the bean counters suggesting a way of saving money following their monumental c**k up with the email fraud. This is what happens when you privatise public services, it becomes a profit making business and so saving money is the name of the game. Exactly the same has happened with the local patient transport service being taken out of NHS control and given to private company, it's fallen apart. When will the government realise that privatising public services is a false economy as they are spending more and more on bailing them out when it all goes belly up![/p][/quote]These Academies are NOT privatised commercial businesses, one way or another they remain mainly or wholly state funded but simply outside local Council control and they operate on a 'not for profit' Charitable Trust basis.
In addition the whole principle of these opt-out Academies did NOT come from this current Tory Government it was the brainchild of a past left-wing Labour Government and initiated under Tony Blair's premiership.
In so far as closing this Academy at 13.00hrs and 14:30hrs and turning the kids out onto the streets it defies belief and it tells everyone all they need to know about this hopeless institution.
Poor kids!muscliffman

Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent familieskalebmoledirt

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know thatits not that bad

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.rozmister

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.

So educate the kids away from the influence of their Chave parents. Give them some values at the same time

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.[/p][/quote]So educate the kids away from the influence of their Chave parents. Give them some values at the same timekalebmoledirt

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that

So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy person

[quote][p][bold]its not that bad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that[/p][/quote]So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy personkalebmoledirt

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.

So educate the kids away from the influence of their Chave parents. Give them some values at the same time

Where do you propose we keep all these children we remove from their parents? And who will decide how chav is too chav? If you love your children, feed clothe and care for them but are fond of Burberry and stella do they still go into care?

These kids are clearly receiving a poor education, plenty of other schools with 'chav' catchment areas manage to get decent grades and give them a decent education. I suppose it's easier to blame the kids and their parents than challenge the inadequacy of the school!

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]The best thing about education is that it can open doors for people who aren't born into opportunity. Writing kids off before they even make it to adulthood is disgraceful and assuming they don't deserve a good education and the chance to succeed is also disgraceful.[/p][/quote]So educate the kids away from the influence of their Chave parents. Give them some values at the same time[/p][/quote]Where do you propose we keep all these children we remove from their parents? And who will decide how chav is too chav? If you love your children, feed clothe and care for them but are fond of Burberry and stella do they still go into care?
These kids are clearly receiving a poor education, plenty of other schools with 'chav' catchment areas manage to get decent grades and give them a decent education. I suppose it's easier to blame the kids and their parents than challenge the inadequacy of the school!rozmister

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

Moledirt so telk us a little about yourself then, school, qulifications, job type?

I know plenty of people who went to that school, left and grafted hard, they now run successful businesses, others have done well for themselves working for larger companies myself included, some are now working and living in New York and Hong Kong, at least two have properties in Candford Cliffs and Sandbanks.

As Rozmeister said, don't write kids off before they've even left school, not every adult within a 3 mile radius of that School is a chav.

Your snobery and predjudice is disgusting.

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]Moledirt so telk us a little about yourself then, school, qulifications, job type?
I know plenty of people who went to that school, left and grafted hard, they now run successful businesses, others have done well for themselves working for larger companies myself included, some are now working and living in New York and Hong Kong, at least two have properties in Candford Cliffs and Sandbanks.
As Rozmeister said, don't write kids off before they've even left school, not every adult within a 3 mile radius of that School is a chav.
Your snobery and predjudice is disgusting.boardsandphotos

The deplorable situation at this school would break the heart of the many dedicated teachers who served at the former Kemp Welch Boys School and Kemp Welch Girls School.

The damage has been done and it is very difficult to see how the necessary degree of parental confidence can be restored so that parents will wish to send their chlldren to the school ,whatever name it is given ;-all the rest is an obituary

Several question, however, still require answers -has Mr. Gove personally inquired as to how £1.1million was lost; why did the previous Principal leave in the middle of the term; do parents support the proposed new hours allowing pupils to leave early in the afternoon ?

Finally the job descriptions detailed in the Echo report makes one wonder what ever happened to common sense.

The deplorable situation at this school would break the heart of the many dedicated teachers who served at the former Kemp Welch Boys School and Kemp Welch Girls School.
The damage has been done and it is very difficult to see how the necessary degree of parental confidence can be restored so that parents will wish to send their chlldren to the school ,whatever name it is given ;-all the rest is an obituary
Several question, however, still require answers -has Mr. Gove personally inquired as to how £1.1million was lost; why did the previous Principal leave in the middle of the term; do parents support the proposed new hours allowing pupils to leave early in the afternoon ?
Finally the job descriptions detailed in the Echo report makes one wonder what ever happened to common sense.Gordon Cann

Jetwasher wrote:
Academy, is this the new micky mouse word they use instead school ?

No school I ever knew of finished at 1:30! Guess they're taking the Daffy or Goofy courses

[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Academy, is this the new micky mouse word they use instead school ?[/p][/quote]No school I ever knew of finished at 1:30! Guess they're taking the Daffy or Goofy coursesHRH of Boscombe

Reducing the amount of hours. How is that going to help the pupils?? That is surely a cost cutting measure. Maybe if they hadn't spent so much on the new building and being conned out of a million quid they wouldn't need to cut so much.

I remember going to school in portakabins and old cold buildings. Not ideal but it didn't affect my learning or reduce the discipline from decent schools and teachers.

How can Poole Council be so continually clueless with this school. It never gets it right. It lurches from one disaster to another.

Reducing the amount of hours. How is that going to help the pupils?? That is surely a cost cutting measure. Maybe if they hadn't spent so much on the new building and being conned out of a million quid they wouldn't need to cut so much.
I remember going to school in portakabins and old cold buildings. Not ideal but it didn't affect my learning or reduce the discipline from decent schools and teachers.
How can Poole Council be so continually clueless with this school. It never gets it right. It lurches from one disaster to another.Victor_Meldrew_Lives!

I am a supporter of this school and have read a lot of this with sadness. Why so many people write kids off just because of where they come from is beyond me. I found it funny that the man criticising the area and the education and yet could not spell Rossmore correctly!!

However I do agree with the last comment about the new buildings. The old building looked awful but it is what happens inside that counts and that will not be changed by changing how the school looks on the outside.
Please give these pupils a chance though Poole and Bournemouth, they're not all bad you know!!!

I am a supporter of this school and have read a lot of this with sadness. Why so many people write kids off just because of where they come from is beyond me. I found it funny that the man criticising the area and the education and yet could not spell Rossmore correctly!!
However I do agree with the last comment about the new buildings. The old building looked awful but it is what happens inside that counts and that will not be changed by changing how the school looks on the outside.
Please give these pupils a chance though Poole and Bournemouth, they're not all bad you know!!!Reds14

I have 2 children in this school and when going in /in September teaching is great the children are getting good grades what im very angry about is why cut the teaching hours if they do I will be pulling my children out and this will be the only reason it is a good school but I want my children in school full time not part time why are the school not talking to the parents because if they don't and they do cut the teaching hours they will loss the student s they have got and the parent support how does this make sense

I have 2 children in this school and when going in /in September teaching is great the children are getting good grades what im very angry about is why cut the teaching hours if they do I will be pulling my children out and this will be the only reason it is a good school but I want my children in school full time not part time why are the school not talking to the parents because if they don't and they do cut the teaching hours they will loss the student s they have got and the parent support how does this make senseits not that bad

its not that bad wrote:
I have 2 children in this school and when going in /in September teaching is great the children are getting good grades what im very angry about is why cut the teaching hours if they do I will be pulling my children out and this will be the only reason it is a good school but I want my children in school full time not part time why are the school not talking to the parents because if they don't and they do cut the teaching hours they will loss the student s they have got and the parent support how does this make sense

it was meant to be one going in september

[quote][p][bold]its not that bad[/bold] wrote:
I have 2 children in this school and when going in /in September teaching is great the children are getting good grades what im very angry about is why cut the teaching hours if they do I will be pulling my children out and this will be the only reason it is a good school but I want my children in school full time not part time why are the school not talking to the parents because if they don't and they do cut the teaching hours they will loss the student s they have got and the parent support how does this make sense[/p][/quote]it was meant to be one going in septemberits not that bad

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that

So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy person

bad management the old building was falling apart and a new one was needed ,did they need to spend as much money on it as they did no they did not but remember this school was let down by the borough of poole for years before it change hands it there fault in the first place they let it go down the toilet ,who ever took the school on had a big job on there hands and that takes time .I have 2 children at the school and 1 going in in September and we are very happy about there grade s and both are doing well if they do cut the teaching hours I will be the first to pull my children out and that will be the only reason 80% of us are hard working 20% are not .that's not the children s fault that's the parents it just makes me angry that people but us all in one bracket and we are not and theres going to be 1 more year of bad grades before big improvements are seen you cant change 5 years of bad teaching over night the older kids in the school have had a lot of work to do because they were written off by the borough of poole before the school changed hands and for many of them too little too late /my children have moved into a brand new building with the best of teaching under the new system they only know the new one

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]its not that bad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that[/p][/quote]So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy person[/p][/quote]bad management the old building was falling apart and a new one was needed ,did they need to spend as much money on it as they did no they did not but remember this school was let down by the borough of poole for years before it change hands it there fault in the first place they let it go down the toilet ,who ever took the school on had a big job on there hands and that takes time .I have 2 children at the school and 1 going in in September and we are very happy about there grade s and both are doing well if they do cut the teaching hours I will be the first to pull my children out and that will be the only reason 80% of us are hard working 20% are not .that's not the children s fault that's the parents it just makes me angry that people but us all in one bracket and we are not and theres going to be 1 more year of bad grades before big improvements are seen you cant change 5 years of bad teaching over night the older kids in the school have had a lot of work to do because they were written off by the borough of poole before the school changed hands and for many of them too little too late /my children have moved into a brand new building with the best of teaching under the new system they only know the new oneits not that bad

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families

how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that

So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy person

bad management the old building was falling apart and a new one was needed ,did they need to spend as much money on it as they did no they did not but remember this school was let down by the borough of poole for years before it change hands it there fault in the first place they let it go down the toilet ,who ever took the school on had a big job on there hands and that takes time .I have 2 children at the school and 1 going in in September and we are very happy about there grade s and both are doing well if they do cut the teaching hours I will be the first to pull my children out and that will be the only reason 80% of us are hard working 20% are not .that's not the children s fault that's the parents it just makes me angry that people but us all in one bracket and we are not and theres going to be 1 more year of bad grades before big improvements are seen you cant change 5 years of bad teaching over night the older kids in the school have had a lot of work to do because they were written off by the borough of poole before the school changed hands and for many of them too little too late /my children have moved into a brand new building with the best of teaching under the new system they only know the new one

Pleased I generated the debate and a parent with passion chose to defend the community and it's school .Your the quality parent that should be on the board of governors.Your a credit we'll written

[quote][p][bold]its not that bad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]its not that bad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Be honest the school is no.more than a reflection on the culture of the catchment.sending good money after bad.subsidize the kids that want to learn and bus them to decent schools.let the rest join their parents in the benefits culture.And Que up in the tattoo parlour and discuss their chances of winning on Foxy bingo. Or get real and sort out the Chaves before they outbreed decent families[/p][/quote]how dare you what a very sad person you must be 1}.im not on benefits 2}} I haven't got a tattoo 3 }don't play bingo 4} im not a chave 5} I have 2 children at this school echo tells half the truth surely you should know that[/p][/quote]So you tell us why it is failing and please accept my apologies for implying your something other than a very worthy person[/p][/quote]bad management the old building was falling apart and a new one was needed ,did they need to spend as much money on it as they did no they did not but remember this school was let down by the borough of poole for years before it change hands it there fault in the first place they let it go down the toilet ,who ever took the school on had a big job on there hands and that takes time .I have 2 children at the school and 1 going in in September and we are very happy about there grade s and both are doing well if they do cut the teaching hours I will be the first to pull my children out and that will be the only reason 80% of us are hard working 20% are not .that's not the children s fault that's the parents it just makes me angry that people but us all in one bracket and we are not and theres going to be 1 more year of bad grades before big improvements are seen you cant change 5 years of bad teaching over night the older kids in the school have had a lot of work to do because they were written off by the borough of poole before the school changed hands and for many of them too little too late /my children have moved into a brand new building with the best of teaching under the new system they only know the new one[/p][/quote]Pleased I generated the debate and a parent with passion chose to defend the community and it's school .Your the quality parent that should be on the board of governors.Your a credit we'll writtenkalebmoledirt

Jetwasher wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.

When will people understand it's not the teachers making these decisions to shorten the school day. It's the academy sponsors ie the private investors the government has handed the school over to. ( for free ). They want to cut costs so cutting the school day will mean saving money as teachers will work less hours and they can pay them less si saving money. Balancing books is all it's about now.

[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote:
Very short school hours, teachers have easy job ? Get back to the old timetable 830 to 4pm mon - friday. Or is that too much like hard work being a teacher.[/p][/quote]When will people understand it's not the teachers making these decisions to shorten the school day. It's the academy sponsors ie the private investors the government has handed the school over to. ( for free ). They want to cut costs so cutting the school day will mean saving money as teachers will work less hours and they can pay them less si saving money. Balancing books is all it's about now.sammmymac