BronyMedic:Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make

I agree, but try telling that to cop haters. They don't care about facts that are inconvenient to their view that all cops are bad people. Like any other fool, they won't listen, they'll just keep repeating their folly.

BronyMedic:StoPPeRmobile: You expect everyones first reaction upon a forced waking to be complete submissiveness?

If someone holding a pistol is yelling "SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WARRANT" multiple times at the top of their voice as they're moving through my house, yeah.

The time to argue the point about your constitutional rights with your hands is not when they have a gun in your face, and itchy trigger fingers while serving a felony warrant.

FTA:DOC Specialist Kris Rongen, assisted by sheriff's Detective Aaron Thompson, went to the house to serve a felony arrest warrant on an ex-offender - someone other than Theoharis - who had failed to report to community supervision. Two other sheriff's detectives joined them.

After taking the ex-offender, Nicholas Harrison, into custody, Thompson and Rongen learned that Theoharis was in a different part of the house,

FTA:Heipt said Theoharis was shot about 16 times and plans to file a civil suit in which a key issue will be whether the officers had justification to enter the room in which he was shot, Heipt said.

Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for. I don't have a Fark GED law degree or any other but that is my thinking. Hents the lawsuit is being filed.

Allen262:Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for. I don't have a Fark GED law degree or any other but that is my thinking. Hents the lawsuit is being filed.

If the cops have to go into a house to serve a warrant on a felon, everyone in the house gets secured and checked out until the cops are sure no one's going to shoot them in the back as they're leaving, and that they're not missing someone. You would have a point if they raided the next apartment, or if they went in and tossed his room searching for evidence without a warrant specifying it in it's scope, but they were well within their rights to ensure everyone was secured until they had ceased their operation.

Felony arrest warrants are high-risk deals - it's one of the duties that gets a lot of cops killed in the line of duty, and it's the reason they're typically done by the tactical teams in many jurisdictions.

Allen262:Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for.

when a warrant is served the house is searched(rooms checked, not going through draws and the like) for at least officer safety reasons. Plus the warrant may have included a search of the house as well.

Adding to my last post, there was even a case in my area where a suspect tried to drive off, dragging a cop with his vehicle as he did so, was shot dead by the cop's partner and the suspects family knew full well what he did to get himself shot, but still said the cop shouldn't have shot him and filed a wrongful death lawsuit

log_jammin:Allen262: It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story.

that's what the article says. not the warrant. you have no idea what the warrant said.

Neither do you but basing my point on the article saying "arrest warrant" The cops got the guy and should have left. When/if the info comes out saying it was more than a "arrest warrant" than my point has no base to stand on.

as I stated, that's not how it works. They check the entire house to make sure no one is hiding out with a gun. That's just a fact. They farked up in HOW they went about searching, not because they did.

Allen262:It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story. They need go GTFO. It dose not say arrest warrant and do what the fark cops want to who they want.

Serving an arrest warrant does not work like you think it does.

If the cops have to go into a house after someone, everyone in that house is getting a pair of shiny bracelets until they're done with what they came there to do. It's as much for their protection (to ensure someone's not going to come out of a room shooting) as it is for theirs (so an innocent person doesn't get caught in a firefight, or mistaken for someone going for a gun.)

The cops do not just walk in, put cuffs on the one person, and turn their back on everyone else.

log_jammin:I'm not understanding why the DOC was helping with warrant arrests.

FTFA: The DOC was the one that issued the warrant for a parole violation, apparently, and they are partnered with the Sheriff to allow their tactical entry-trained deputies to assist them in serving the warrants. Still begs the question of why the two took their own initiative, in violation of the department's policy, rather than make an orderly entry.

Corrections officers don't get tactical training like street cops do, the most they get are to be a part of riot or cell entry teams. Why this guy was operating independently with that tactical officer is a conundrum.

BronyMedic:Corrections officers don't get tactical training like street cops do, the most they get are to be a part of riot or cell entry teams. Why this guy was operating independently with that tactical officer is a conundrum.

yeah, that;'s what I was getting at. i mean, you EMS guys may be great and all, but I doubt a cop would want you standing next to them while conducting a warrant arrest.the DOC guy should have been outside sitting in a car.

so are you saying that because there are crooked cops who lie, then heroin dealers don't lie? or are you claiming this guy had nothing to do with heroin? or there is no such things as heroin dealers, just dead people that crooked cops dropped drugs or weapons next to?

when you come back with an answer try to make it an intellectually honest one.

so are you saying that because there are crooked cops who lie, then heroin dealers don't lie? or are you claiming this guy had nothing to do with heroin? or there is no such things as heroin dealers, just dead people that crooked cops dropped drugs or weapons next to?

when you come back with an answer try to make it an intellectually honest one.

It's FARK, man. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and people like vincentfox will DAMN well make sure you know it! Everyone is entitled to civil liberties and their constitutional rights! Unless you're a cop. Then you were OBVIOUSLY guilty before you even clocked in, masturbated the night before to Treyvon Martin's crimescene photos, and at some point last year, beat an elderly man to death with a can of creamed peas. Because of the actions of a person that this group of individuals had nothing to do with.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure they killed Kennedy, and were part of the nefarious scheme to keep you from getting sweets as a child unless you ate the Brussels sprouts.

Any gun control supporters want to limit the police to 10 round magazines so that they have to pause and reload, giving them time to reconsider what they're doing?

I'm hardly a gun control supporter, but that sounds like a good idea. I hear more often about police turning somebody into swiss cheese than I do about psychos shooting up schools, and what's more the cops usually get away with it. A paid vacation doesn't sound like "punishment" to me, and having to talk to a shrink usually hurts less than 10 years in the pokey.

I can imagine it being intruders pretending to be cops, and can imagine thinking that that was the case.

And I can imagine you getting shot 16 times as you roll off the bed yelling about your gun, like the guy in the article supposedly did.

Like you said, "supposedly." Are there any witnesses to this event besides the victim and the cops? A few years ago there was a (white) cop in Louisville named McKenzie Mattingly who shot a (black) guy in the back as he was running away because he was "afraid for his life," or so he said -- and as the jury that acquitted him believed (or pretended to). Mattingly was later hired by another police department, while Michael Newby's mother had to settle for $250,000 from the city. Then there's Amadou Diallo, the "41 shots" victim. Etc., etc., etc. So naturally I'm a bit skeptical of police claims to be so afraid they have no choice but to blast away: time and again the best they can do is go "OOPS, my bad!" -- if they have that much heart.

What I imagine myself doing if cops barge in to wake me up is raising both empty hands in the air as I cuss them out with all my might. (That's what I usually do when they hassle me on the street anyway; why ruin balls of steel with a corrosive element like common sense?) Of course they'll probably still shoot me "in fear for their lives," especially when we're not on a busy street in broad daylight, but if they want any guns or even drugs found here they'll have to bring them themselves: nobody with my kind of "mouth" can afford to be anything but felony-free.

Wouldn't it be funny if I wound up as a greenlit article? "Cops finally shut this Farker up! Let's buy them each a Ford Escalade!"

so are you saying that because there are crooked cops who lie, then heroin dealers don't lie? or are you claiming this guy had nothing to do with heroin? or there is no such things as heroin dealers, just dead people that crooked cops dropped drugs or weapons next to?

when you come back with an answer try to make it an intellectually honest one.

It's FARK, man. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and people like vincentfox will DAMN well make sure you know it! Everyone is entitled to civil liberties and their constitutional rights! Unless you're a cop. Then you were OBVIOUSLY guilty before you even clocked in, masturbated the night before to Treyvon Martin's crimescene photos, and at some point last year, beat an elderly man to death with a can of creamed peas. Because of the actions of a person that this group of individuals had nothing to do with.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure they killed Kennedy, and were part of the nefarious scheme to keep you from getting sweets as a child unless you ate the Brussels sprouts.

Well, let's just look at the facts of this particular case. We know the officers messed up when they entered the house. We know they didn't clear the whole house like they should have immediately upon entry. We know that an untrained (or at least under trained) DoC officer was doing something he shouldn't have been doing.So there we go, that's enough to at least bring a lawsuit. The finer details will decide on whether or not the guy wins.

You really don't have to suck the dick of every single law enforcement officer you ever come across. They are people just like everyone else, and just like everyone else sometimes some of them make mistakes. The ones that do should be held accountable just like everyone else is. The problem I have with law enforcement in this country isn't "omg they all suck die pigs". It's that the only time one of them is really disciplined is if they are caught on camera shooting a subdued suspect in the back. Anything less than that and they get off with a suspension, and that's usually paid.

In the good ole days when they were just " Pigs" there weren't as many of these attempted assassinations going on, now the police have darkened into a lower form of degenerate vicious murderous animal with no name digusting enough.

Allen262:BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: You expect everyones first reaction upon a forced waking to be complete submissiveness?

If someone holding a pistol is yelling "SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WARRANT" multiple times at the top of their voice as they're moving through my house, yeah.

The time to argue the point about your constitutional rights with your hands is not when they have a gun in your face, and itchy trigger fingers while serving a felony warrant.

FTA:DOC Specialist Kris Rongen, assisted by sheriff's Detective Aaron Thompson, went to the house to serve a felony arrest warrant on an ex-offender - someone other than Theoharis - who had failed to report to community supervision. Two other sheriff's detectives joined them.

After taking the ex-offender, Nicholas Harrison, into custody, Thompson and Rongen learned that Theoharis was in a different part of the house,

FTA:Heipt said Theoharis was shot about 16 times and plans to file a civil suit in which a key issue will be whether the officers had justification to enter the room in which he was shot, Heipt said.

Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for. I don't have a Fark GED law degree or any other but that is my thinking. Hents the lawsuit is being filed.

BronyMedic:StoPPeRmobile: You expect everyones first reaction upon a forced waking to be complete submissiveness?

If someone holding a pistol is yelling "SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WARRANT" multiple times at the top of their voice as they're moving through my house, yeah.

The time to argue the point about your constitutional rights with your hands is not when they have a gun in your face, and itchy trigger fingers while serving a felony warrant.

you have no idea what he did and what's bullshiat and what's not on the officers statement.I'm having a harder time believing a guy yelled "I have a gun' and reached for it.. in a room where NO GUNS where found... then I am that he was simply woke up in a "What the fark ??? " state of mind and had the nerve to MOVE when they approached him... giving them the OBVIOUS right to start dumping rounds into a guy laying in bed, right ??I wish he'd had a gun and emptied it into both of them.

""Specialist Rongen and Detective Thompson said that they identified themselves, gave Mr. Theoharis commands that he did not comply with, that he said he had guns, and that it appeared that he was reaching for one," according to a report by the sheriff's shooting review board.

In a written statement, Thompson said he believed Theoharis was reaching for a gun between the box spring and the mattress.

Rongen and Thompson both fired their handguns, hitting Theoharis as he rolled off the bed.

No firearms were found in the room. " - TFA

No firearms were found in the room. He still got shot (about) 16 times? An average of 8 shots per officer into a guy who didn't have a weapon?

"Both agencies, in separate reviews, found the shooting last year to be justified" - Second Sentence / Paragraph of TFA

Of course. It too 16 shots fired to stop an unarmed man laying in a bed, threat.