This is a discussion on TSD night rally in Westchester Sat night 4/24/10 within the Tri-State forums, part of the Regional Discussion category; http://wscc.org/flyers/2010BunnyRunFlyer.pdf
TimeSpeedDistance NIGHT rally on Saturday, 04/24/10. Registration from 5 to 6:15, drivers meeting at 6:30, first car off at ...

TSD night rally in Westchester Sat night 4/24/10

TimeSpeedDistance NIGHT rally on Saturday, 04/24/10. Registration from 5 to 6:15, drivers meeting at 6:30, first car off at 7pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Rally computers, GPS systems, and lights above headlight level not allowed. Trophys for the winners of each class.

What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.

So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an ass and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.

This sounds like a blast to do...not sure if I'd be able to participate, but you've got the info there so if I can make it I'm in! It's all up in the air though for me at this point due to the short notice...very awesome idea!!

EDIT:...total SNAFU on my part there...I saw "westchester" and quickly assumed west chester PA..hahaha! I'm a dumb-ass! Hope you guys have a great turn-out...I'm sure you will.

Yeah you're missing out. Are you near I78 I know theres a rally club that has events near where I78 crosses from NJ into PA.

Not too far actually....I take I78 from PA into NJ all the time when visiting the wife's folks. It's about an hour from me, I'm down more in the south-east PA region (not that far from West Chester PA actually...why this thread initially caught my eye). With the success of the Victory runs down this way & the quality of twisty back roads around here, I would imagine this would be a very feasible thing to put together around here. Is it tough to set up?

We have guys in WSCC who have been writing them for 20 years. I suspect its very easy for them. I've done 3 and it takes a lot of time. They're typically 50 to 100 mile. First you need the course, where they will drive. Then you need to drive it 4 to 5 times looking for clues and things you can use to make the instructions in your rally. Then you need to run it again checking the exact mileage from turn to turn. Then you need AT LEAST 3 people to "cold run" your instructions to look for errors (you've driven it so many times you wont see the errors). Then the morning of the rally you go through it again to make sure there are no closed roads or construction or a tree down or detours or something, and to hang signs on the side of the road that the people in the rally will look for.

After the rally, you need to get the signs back.

Whew.

And god forbid if theres still an error in your instructions, you could have 100 cars driving around in circles lost and 200 people who want to kill you.

I found the club thats near I-78.The Motorsport Club of North Jersey Web Site
They have rallies that are all about time and exact math to hit each checkpoint at perfect time. They have tons of checkpoints and have easy instructions and its all about making up time from Lights and StopSigns and getting caught behind a slow car.

Our rallies are more about driving. Less checkpoints, hard instructions. Its all about driving quickly to make up time because you'll be making a lot of mistakes and wrong turns. You need to make up time and then slow down to get back to perfect time before the next checkpoint. Its way fun.

ps- I've taken tons of people on WSCC rallies, and then one of the slow rallies, and they refuse to do the slow rallies anymore and will only do ours.

It sounds like the first few times you set it up are quite a bit to chew off by yourself! I'll definitely be looking into this idea though down this way, and if I ever get some time to kill on a full weekend (rare these days w/ 2 little ones and a new house) I'll sneak a peak at the north Jersey crowd...the NE Jersey area, near the delaware water gap, is my proving grounds growing so would be very cool if they ran them up that way as I've driven those back roads plenty of times!

The faster runs definitely seem more up my alley too....that way you can try to "creep" to a check point & jet into it right at your determined time....I'd love to run a few of these before diving into setting it up obviously, I'm sure there's lots to be learned.

Thanks for the info Mike....I'll keep you posted if I ever get the ball rolling down this way (and will of course send you an invite, and undoubtedly pester you for advice if I get that far! LOL).

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