I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Quite.

No age of consent in biblical times either. No wonder religion appeals to wronguns.
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Looked into this and again I would put forward that the age of consent was never an issue in the main religions until rulers got involved and had rulings to suit them.

As far as I have learnt, the general rule was puberty but the "maturity" of the kids also to be taken into account. Which tbf today would mean 18 year olds couldn't marry as they don't necessarily have the "maturity". I'm putting maturity in "s because I can't think of the right word.

it was rulers who used marriage as a way of strengthening ties and ownership (remember non religions had sons marrying their mothers to keep "kingship"

This resulted in preachers and scholars giving rulings to please the king's/rulers and aid them in their quests.

Some of the old laws allowed marriages to 6 month old babies and even rules saying s3x with under 6 months wasn't s3x.
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The “virgin” Mary was 12 when she got knocked up.

What’s that about?

And this is the book we’re supposed to live our lives by? F*ck that sh*t, it’s pure evil.

I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Quite.

No age of consent in biblical times either. No wonder religion appeals to wronguns.
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Yea, that child bride thing is strong down Africa way and Middle East.

Christians progressed.
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How is this even relevant to the point you replied to?

I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Quite.

No age of consent in biblical times either. No wonder religion appeals to wronguns.
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Looked into this and again I would put forward that the age of consent was never an issue in the main religions until rulers got involved and had rulings to suit them.

As far as I have learnt, the general rule was puberty but the "maturity" of the kids also to be taken into account. Which tbf today would mean 18 year olds couldn't marry as they don't necessarily have the "maturity". I'm putting maturity in "s because I can't think of the right word.

it was rulers who used marriage as a way of strengthening ties and ownership (remember non religions had sons marrying their mothers to keep "kingship"

This resulted in preachers and scholars giving rulings to please the king's/rulers and aid them in their quests.

Some of the old laws allowed marriages to 6 month old babies and even rules saying s3x with under 6 months wasn't s3x.
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The “virgin” Mary was 12 when she got knocked up.

What’s that about?

And this is the book we’re supposed to live our lives by? F*ck that sh*t, it’s pure evil.
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Age of Mary is not really verified. According to Jewish (I think) rulings of the time it was pretty much as I mentioned puberty was the earliest age for marriage. So the view "she may have been 12" is based on that rather than actual age

Think age of marriage/consent whether it's Mary or Aisha is a current phenomenon to beat down the religions that has gathered pace.

All accounts from the times (and here Muhammad is probably more relevant as there are simply more accounts ) never mentioned the age of the women as a stick to beat the religion with. Yet all sorts of other measure were used as way of insult or to demean or "prove" them wrong

I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Quite.

No age of consent in biblical times either. No wonder religion appeals to wronguns.
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Yea, that child bride thing is strong down Africa way and Middle East.

Christians progressed.
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How is this even relevant to the point you replied to?
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lol, like all Christians TBAG likes to intemperate things to fit his agenda.

It’s almost as if the whole thing is just completely made up rubbish. Which of course, it is.

I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Quite.

No age of consent in biblical times either. No wonder religion appeals to wronguns.
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Yea, that child bride thing is strong down Africa way and Middle East.

Christians progressed.
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How is this even relevant to the point you replied to?
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I don't think progression is really based on religion but moreso culture.

We have a Nigerian lady near us. She and her husband are Christian but her father in Nigeria is Muslim. He has a young wife (younger than this woman, the daughter).

She tells us that she sends money to her half siblings because that is the way it is done in Nigeria. The father marries a younger woman who looks after him in his olds age. The older siblings (from previous marriages) then lay for the upkeep of the younger kids and younger wife.

Seems weird to us but it's a cultural thing that works for them when no means of pension or govt payments exist

I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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I've heard stories of people converting to Islam because they get to marry four wivesDon't know if that's true but humans do use religion as they please.
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Surely that's a great reason for not converting to Muslim!

I have enough grief with just one woman in my life!
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You have it the wrong way. One woman is a problem because she has you locked down and you have to take her crap as you have no choice but when there's competition, it has the opposite effect and they all treat you like a king.

For me it's an opportunity to detox from football. As fans we have allowed football to literally takeover our lives. And now without football some of us feel suicidal. There are more important things in life than football. But as fans we have just set ourselves up for ruthless exploitation by football vultures. Do we ever take stock how much we spend on football? I'm not abandoning football at all but I want to manage my passion for it much more strictly and sensibly.

You raise a very interesting point, Grand Cannon. You probably won't be alone by any means with your thinking, and I think (hope) football clubs won't just assume that everything will instantly revert to 'normal' whenever football starts up again, and they're able adjust accordingly.

There are plenty of supporters who were already feeling a disconnect with their clubs. This break in action, plus the seriousness of the situation away from the game, will only have magnified that for some.

Then there'll be the financial aspect to consider. There will be a lot of supporters that might not have felt any disconnect before, but after this will have to consider whether they can justify going to as many matches as they have done previously. Many sports subscriptions will undoubtably be cancelled too.

The same will have to happen across the entertainment sector. Who's going to still pay £70 and over + a booking fee to travel to a sports stadium to watch a rock band on a facking screen, between spending most of an evening queuing for beer and the loo, when they realise they can go see 3 or 4 bands for the same money?

Think regular cinemas will struggle even more now, which could actually mean the smaller, fancier, artier model thrives? Again though, they will probably have to adjust their prices.

Perhaps this is too gloomy an outlook for things, and instead not having such easy access to such things will make us all a little more appreciative of them when they return?

However, whilst it's laudable that so much free content is being provided currently at a time of need, one thing that we know all too well about people is, once something has been made available for free, few are prepared to carry on paying for it.

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
You raise a very interesting point, Grand Cannon. You probably won't be alone by any means with your thinking, and I think (hope) football clubs won't just assume that everything will instantly revert to 'normal' whenever football starts up again, and they're able adjust accordingly.

There are plenty of supporters who were already feeling a disconnect with their clubs. This break in action, plus the seriousness of the situation away from the game, will only have magnified that for some.

Then there'll be the financial aspect to consider. There will be a lot of supporters that might not have felt any disconnect before, but after this will have to consider whether they can justify going to as many matches as they have done previously. Many sports subscriptions will undoubtably be cancelled too.

The same will have to happen across the entertainment sector. Who's going to still pay £70 and over + a booking fee to travel to a sports stadium to watch a rock band on a facking screen, between spending most of an evening queuing for beer and the loo, when they realise they can go see 3 or 4 bands for the same money?

Think regular cinemas will struggle even more now, which could actually mean the smaller, fancier, artier model thrives? Again though, they will probably have to adjust their prices.

Perhaps this is too gloomy an outlook for things, and instead not having such easy access to such things will make us all a little more appreciative of them when they return?

However, whilst it's laudable that so much free content is being provided currently at a time of need, one thing that we know all too well about people is, once something has been made available for free, few are prepared to carry on paying for it.

Especially in the entertainment world.
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Loads of people will. they are called millenials.

there's people right now crying out to be ripped off for any old rubbish put on as entertainment.

if pubs were opened they'd be out partying right now.

even as the respirators get rationed and the OAPs get dr death coming along and sedating them til they pass.

They'd be partying. make no mistake, the world and people dont "change"

Was football different after WWi, or WWii. some people might be old enough to remember still or have written it down some place.

comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 16 hours, 51 minutes ago
For me it's an opportunity to detox from football. As fans we have allowed football to literally takeover our lives. And now without football some of us feel suicidal. There are more important things in life than football. But as fans we have just set ourselves up for ruthless exploitation by football vultures. Do we ever take stock how much we spend on football? I'm not abandoning football at all but I want to manage my passion for it much more strictly and sensibly.
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Are you serious?

Who honestly feels suicidal from lack of football? Why on earth would be that depressed about there being no football?

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 16 hours, 51 minutes ago
For me it's an opportunity to detox from football. As fans we have allowed football to literally takeover our lives. And now without football some of us feel suicidal. There are more important things in life than football. But as fans we have just set ourselves up for ruthless exploitation by football vultures. Do we ever take stock how much we spend on football? I'm not abandoning football at all but I want to manage my passion for it much more strictly and sensibly.
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Are you serious?

Who honestly feels suicidal from lack of football? Why on earth would be that depressed about there being no football?
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Its only a game.

Anyone that takes it more seriously than that needs to give their head a wobble

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 16 hours, 51 minutes ago
For me it's an opportunity to detox from football. As fans we have allowed football to literally takeover our lives. And now without football some of us feel suicidal. There are more important things in life than football. But as fans we have just set ourselves up for ruthless exploitation by football vultures. Do we ever take stock how much we spend on football? I'm not abandoning football at all but I want to manage my passion for it much more strictly and sensibly.
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Are you serious?

Who honestly feels suicidal from lack of football? Why on earth would be that depressed about there being no football?
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Its only a game.

Anyone that takes it more seriously than that needs to give their head a wobble
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Exactly, it’s like people who idolise the thick idiots go play it. Get a grip.

Can't say i have missed any sport as yet but mostly due to being invested in the chaos surrounding us. Football isn't one that takes over my life anyway, outside of Wolves and major tournaments i rarely watch it. Would be far more gutted right now if it was the NFL and College Am.Football season.

Outside of that my days are the same as before, get up, go out into the country enjoying all manor of nature.

I am a Psychotherapy Masters student and work four days a week, under normal circumstances. So I am using this time to catch up on essays, had four due, just finishing off my second from psychoanalytical module, then move on to existentialism. Honestly, it’s been a blessing in disguise from that point of view.

comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 20 minutes ago
Can't say i have missed any sport as yet but mostly due to being invested in the chaos surrounding us. Football isn't one that takes over my life anyway, outside of Wolves and major tournaments i rarely watch it. Would be far more gutted right now if it was the NFL and College Am.Football season.

Outside of that my days are the same as before, get up, go out into the country enjoying all manor of nature.
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The only sport I miss is golf

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 16 hours, 51 minutes ago
For me it's an opportunity to detox from football. As fans we have allowed football to literally takeover our lives. And now without football some of us feel suicidal. There are more important things in life than football. But as fans we have just set ourselves up for ruthless exploitation by football vultures. Do we ever take stock how much we spend on football? I'm not abandoning football at all but I want to manage my passion for it much more strictly and sensibly.
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Are you serious?

Who honestly feels suicidal from lack of football?
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DJ?