Regrettably, I believe Rob, Jeff & Wayne reflect the common American's position: in the same way that the price of being Scandinavian is high taxes; the price of being Haitian is poverty etc, the price of being American is acceptance of violence.

I doubt that anything will really change after the vigils, candles & hand-wringing is over.

Gary Tupper

On 12/16/2012 8:23 PM, Robert Hansen wrote:>> On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Jeff Bishop <Jeff@Bishop.NET > <mailto:Jeff@Bishop.NET>> wrote:>>> I agree with all of my dad's points, save one. Restrictions on >> nuclear weapons are, in my opinion, not infringements. For one >> thing, nukes are not weapons individuals can bear, so they are >> arguably not "arms" within the meaning of the Second Amendment.>> I don't think explosives was ever a consideration though ammunition > does require powder. In my opinion, arms obviously meant guns and has > always meant guns.>> People think this is new. Sadly, it isn't. In 1937 a monster every bit > the equal to this one blew up an elementary school in Bath Michigan, > killing 38 children.>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster>> In Japan and China they use knives.>> If it isn't guns, bombs, knives or poison then these monsters just use > their bare hands and strangle them, one at a time.>> Obama spoke tonight...>> "We can't accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared > to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage?" Obama said. > That the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such > violence visited on our children year, after year, after year is > somehow the price of our freedom?">> Yeah, unfortunately, this is the price we pay for freedom. We can't > even keep gang members off the street. How the hell are we going to > put enough "odd" people under surveillance just hoping to stop the > rarest of sickos like this monster?>> Considering the number of gun deaths in Illinois, I wasn't even aware > they had a ban on guns. More people are murdered in Chicago, with > guns, than troops dying in Afghanistan. A lot more. What kind of gun > ban is that?>> Just like education, if we want to understand how other countries > achieve lower murder rates (there actually isn't that many of them) > then go examine them to see how they achieve lower murder rates. I > don't think it hinges on a lack of guns, though I could see the lack > of interest in guns (in those countries) hinging on not being worried > as much about being killed.>> Bob Hansen