joining a different sabha is once own personnel choice and discussing it wont bring him back. It would be better if we use the word syrian orthodox church rather than puthencruz society. lets try to make peace not drift away from our brothers by spreading hatred.

I.C Pathrose achen was a most honorable monk priest in our church. He used to meditate inside deep forests for years continuously and had long beard and hair. Two three times he came back to town, again went back to forest as he felt unrest about the external world. My father, being his senior in seminary with him was so fascinated about his life that he used to bring me in my childhood before achen and asked his prayer for us. He was a true monk. As all his background was patriarchal, he struggled a lot to remain catholicate faction. My father remember that his parents used to come in night time secretly to Trikkunnath seminary to see him. They feared that if the other faction had known about it, they will not be remained alive.

Jamon,Heard about dumb wipers. They don't hear anything other than what they want to see. Are you younger than 15 years. If so try to find out from your parents what happend in 1995 and what was Pradhaman doing until 2002. And then ask him because he also offered something which IOC didn't accept. Obviously it was not in terms of money. Try to be bold in accepting facts. Ha ha ha how can I talk common sense to screamers. A........... marakoola.Talking about MOTHER CHURCH. Do you know what is the role of a MOTHER. Ammayemaranallum......... Who are these who scream so and now you talk about the prominence of MOTHER.Thick skinned people

In all probability for another 5 years MOC is not going to have any new Bishops. By then to elect 14 candidates, you will have atleast 41 aspiring for this position. Those who are aged 53 and above now have to find alternate ways to fulfill their dream of becoming a Bishop. As there is no special privileges for people belonging to a certain area for getting elected you have to be extremely lucky to get into that position in MOC.Now there are three ways to get it. One is ignore that position and leave it to the Call; second start working with some propaganda and seek public attention and finally by hook or by crook. Now our Rembachen aged 55, a few years back, on one of his trips back from the forest, contested the election for Episcopacy and have eaten the sour grapes by getting hardly few votes at the Association. May be the reason for this sudden change of heart could be, he must have got that same vision, like the recent red gowned ones, that he was denied entry to Heaven since he didn’t wear a red gown As he had the earnest desire to become a Bishop, he had the slightest hope in Gurgon make recently, who now demands that you need a church of your own and a minimum of 50 families plus Rs.25.00 Lac and monthly retainership . This is no way possible. Even his family members who are diehard P.S.Members are under 15 families. The broker who worked with him for this position looking at his pathetic condition has now given him another alternative. ‘Give the property that is in your name to Pradhaman and within a period of 5 years you will be made a Bishop for Monastic ‘lifes’ in the P.C.Society giving company to Mar Barnabas who is Bishop for ‘Spirit’ Organisations. The P.C.Society is actively considering a Rite Movement for Refugees and there is no limit for entries into it. The current rate for Ex-MOC is Rs.40 Lacs provided you are a known person like M.O.J.

No body who cares for their life will join MOC from PC Society. Even CBI is scared of Gunda Pradhaman which is evident from the fact they didn't even oppose the bail applicaiton of Thekkekara. People who care their life will stay with PC Society.

mr.Thomas,The Way/Path, Is Jesus christ!"Vanna Vazhikal onnum Marakkalle" Can you please tell me who should not forget the "Path".Puthencruez sociey and their Antiochean(universal syriac orthodox) counterpart are not mother church.The present Universsl Syriac orthodox Church has all evil desires of acts "Kaaluvaral,kuthikalvettu,Dravyagrham, Asooya, paka,pinakkam etc' from the beginning/early centuries in their top heirarchy,though they claim to be saints/sacred.now they will not forget the path!

“Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve………… “ Judas was one among the 12 and he also got the same training from Jesus like any other Apostle got and Jesus gave all the 12 equal share in the heavenly kingdom including I presume Judas who betrayed Jesus!

Now going by the report. His Holiness Marthoma Mathews I, left for heavenly abode at the age of almost 90 on 8 Nov 1996. Remban Pathrose was aged 41 then. His Holiness Marthoma Mathews I relinquished the position of Catholicos in 1991 due to poor health. His Holiness was bed ridden for most of his rest of his life. So in all probability, His Holiness must have stood up when Rembachen came to meet him prior to 1991. Even if it was in 1991, the age of this Rembachen must be just around 36.

Now if he has enlightened some who are shocked by this sudden departure to the P.C.Society led by the most notorious Priest on earth, what are you waiting for, clear off and find your way to salvation. Like the scripture says, Are you people of no faith?Yes everything is wrong in our church. Why do you people still pull on with it? Go embarrass the Society. What do you want to counter offer? The position of Catholicos in MOC or may be the first Indian Patriarch. Give something unique.

Don’t pretend innocence. How many of you know that he has contested in one of the elections for the position of Bishop in our Church. A man who hardly finds time to come out of the forest has suddenly got a vision to join the Society church and he has given all that he had to them. Where did he get the time to amass property to give it to the Society church? Atleast use some commonsense!

Afterall it is an individuals choice. I wish him all success. But what I am annoyed with are those who are spiritually enriched with this Saint should not stay with the Satans here. Go follow your idol.

Chandy,I think I am older than you. You are talking rude. Herald is very good. If that Achen along with Punchakonum goes to P.C.Society who will tell us what is going wrong in our Church.You see three publications our knowledgeable Achens have. One already become Bishop Thadavoos, another may become Bishop Deepam. But I think he respects his mother and knows his father very well. Now the Herald Achens the problem is they are married. Both good to become bishops but what to do. Got married. Can you find out whether Gurgon making any exceptions. If so please put their name right away in waiting list. I think Avarachen is also in that list.

You see Pathrose Remban’s stays a few kms from my house. I enquired with him. He says Gurgon company approached him and he said, if he want to become Bishop he could have approached Puthencruz Society. Somebody heard this and gave this information to Society office and they say he joined them. So as of now Pathrose Remban is safe and sound with MOSC. Now you people don’t label him a PCSociety Remban. He is having pressure from his family to join the Society since he lost the Bishop election and no body supported him. Our people thought he is a saintly man and is not interested in worldly positions and kept him away from giving him any sort of positions as they thought he will curse them. He is getting ready to go to the forest for meditation now. But if he is caught on his way and taken to the Society office and make him talk in favor of them don’t blame me, I said so!

First he was with Angamaly Bishop. Since he also contested election with him once and both of them lost that time Pathrose Remban went to forest to get some mileage. People thought he turned out to be a holy man and didn't bother to pressurise him to become Bishop. Now he didn't get support from Angamally and shifted to Malabar. There he started pvt. ltd retreat centre which the Bishop said to close down and there he goes to find his mother.

As they generally few can withstand the insecurity in old age-even people who meditate in deep forest.

The reasons are obvious. Had Ramban ben elected a Bisho soem of his Soceity memebrs would have joined Orthodox Church - so strong is the motivation of turning into a Bishop.

Now we cannot help anyone to become a bishop of our Church as we have a clealy defined set up for it. So expect a few more Pathrose Ramabans deserting our Church.

Now we have started reforms for improvement of selection of Bishops. Let us boldly take it forward. Let there more Pathros Rambans if the desire for Red Kuppayam is so intense.

It is clearly evident that the relatives (family members) play a crucial role everywhere. So in teh next stage of improvement in the qualityu selection, let us

1. Ask close relatives to sign a docuemtn that the bishop is father to all members of the Church and they have no special role in the activities of the bishop2. All the property and power of teh bishop belong to Christ and his bride, the Church. The family wil not covet the prperty governed by the bishop for the Chuch.

The bishop-elect shall sign teh document that: the whole church is my family and all the Church memebers shal be my family members. So help me God

Dear AllWhat is the Faith of Jacobite Church?What is the tradition of Jacobite Church?H.B.Thomas I ,accusation against Very Rev.Pathrose Remban are the above two issues!Jacobite Church Faith (1) True Faith in "true rock" Peter and his successors!Follow the Throne of Antioch!Tradition of Church: Mafia,Hiring Killers and hide them in Church!Using Charity money to hire Killers!Making False documents or making Holy False Witness!Bribing muslim rulers to get the throne of St.Peter! finally Conversions of Assyrian Christians into Muslims by accepting bribe from Muslim rulers!Apart from spiritual matters,All Jacobite Parish Churches are free and independant!!!

switch side easy way to gain postion saba has become mnc company people in company leave for smaller company or developing company to get top postion same thing happen here . if he was holy person he would not ran behind postion .thoses who have recently elected in mosc is highly talented person highly qualfied CAN ANY ONE POINT AT US SHOW ANY OF OUR BISHOP NOT HIGHLY EDUCATED ONLY THING JACOBITE LACKING HIGHLY QUALIFIED BISHOP WHO CAN RUN SABA IN BETTER MANNER .JACOBITE ARE SCORING POINTS IN THIS MODERN WORLD POSTION IS ONLY FOR TALENTED PERSON ITS DOES COME WITH OUT HARD WORK

Dear AllThis is the trick/game of H.B.Thomas I(chaanakya Thanthram)to deviate the attention of MOSC people from his recent Court Investigation By C.B.I regarding T.M.Varghese murder case authorised by him or his mafia people!As a Spiritual leader he should come out openly and confess his mistakes before God!He should not forget about Prophet Nathan who convinced King David about his(david's)sin!

First let HB Thomas examine his own mind and come out clean on the many charges he is facing.

HB had taken oath on the 1934 constitution, demanded amemendments in Supreme Court, got whatever he wanted, now advocating a vertical split in the Church... I am afriad God Amighty is tightening His noose around Thomas Tirumeni, Only gad can forgiev his sins against Church

I could see some comments stating Jacobites as stupids and cultureles, at the same time some call them as born before father. Is this is culture which need to be learned?!! And these evils are quoting from bible!! it is written one who call his own brothera stupid should go to fire. everyone is saying about 1934 constitution, which means IOC has got only a history which is leading so much only to 1934?? If that is not the case how can IOC people can say Jacobites are born after 2002. Is there something written there in 1934 constitution about accepting someone from other group, denomination or religion. How can those bishops who alienated from other grups be taken with same status?!! If that is possible why the election and other drama?? Those who fails to get recognition from the church they worked till date, see traitors taking position through back doors. How can a bishop ordain a deacon of another diocese?!! So 1934 constitution is your bible or more than that inside court to get superiority over Jacobites and outside court its been used as tissue paper for own sanitary purpose. A constitution written and accepted is not the foudation of a church,it is the faith and charecter. Constitution may may help in court but not before God if you believe...