I hear Capers say good things, I hear OL coach saying it is improving, but hear posters who were there Saturday that OL stunk. So which is it they are improving or they are not improving. Thanks :confused:

TEXANS84

08-02-2005, 06:00 PM

OL was bad on Saturday, but better on Monday.

Wand held his own against Peek and Robaire last night pretty well, even to the point where the line coach was praising him.

Victor Riley still needs to work...alot. I'd be scared if he was our left tackle.

Todd Wade looked average.

Zach Weigert looked pretty good, held his own against a couple of linemen on the one on one drills.

McKinney was up and down at times. Hodgdon has a lot to learn as well, and it looked like the line coach was working on the basics with him.

Fred Weary was toasted repeatedly last night by Travis Johnson.

Todd Washington looked pretty impressive last night.

Wolf

08-02-2005, 06:01 PM

What I am reading is defense has the edge against the OL. I was reading about Weary getting beat by TJ or wand/riley getting beat by Peek/anderson etc.

well the good thing is that OL has some fllm to watch and learn..

D-ReK

08-02-2005, 06:20 PM

According to Keith over at HPF.com, Riley replaced Wand last night as the 1st team LT and did a good job in run-blocking but wasn't too good in pass protection...This is definitely disheartening to me because I was hoping Wand would solidify LT this year, but there's still time...Maybe the temporary(?) demotion will light a fire under him...

nunusguy

08-02-2005, 06:47 PM

According to Keith over at HPF.com, Riley replaced Wand last night as the 1st team LT and did a good job in run-blocking but wasn't too good in pass protection...This is definitely disheartening to me because I was hoping Wand would solidify LT this year, but there's still time...Maybe the temporary(?) demotion will light a fire under him...
I attended practice last night and Wand played well against all comers as far as I could tell as contrasted to an embarassing play captured on tape and repeated by local channels from the previous practice where Peek put a Bull Rush on him and knocked him, and knocked him backwards and flat on his butt. But from what I could see, Wand redeemed himself last night.
While a strong run blocker, all indications are Riley just doesn't have the skills
to be an adequate pass blocker and be our LT. If we don't go with Wand,
FWIT I think Chester P. would be our one and only Plan B for LT, atleast this year.

aj.

08-02-2005, 07:01 PM

I was sitting with Keith when we both saw Peek spin past Riley late in team drills as if his feet were in wet cement. Can't blame Riley too much because he's not a left tackle. What should be worrisome to everyone is that the Texans are rolling him out there to compete for the starting job in the first place. It looks like he can bulldozer but don't ask him to backpedal. He's an older version of Greg Randall. Riley appears to guess at which move will confront him next. Not a good thing for the QB.

texasguy346

08-02-2005, 07:07 PM

He's an older version of Greg Randall. Riley appears to guess at which move will confront him next. Not a good thing for the QB.

:brickwall At the thought of another Greg Randall on the line.

keyfro

08-02-2005, 08:53 PM

that's why i think they'll end up having wand as the starter just to see if the tackle position is surely what we need to target in the first round of next year's draft

jmantexfan

08-02-2005, 08:54 PM

If Chester were to take the starting LT spot, who would be our best option at guard, and would it even be good enough?

Runner

08-02-2005, 09:31 PM

If Chester were to take the starting LT spot, who would be our best option at guard, and would it even be good enough?

That's the key question. The answer is probably no. That's why I expect to see the status quo on the o-line at season start.

BigDTexansFan

08-03-2005, 12:58 AM

If Chester were to take the starting LT spot, who would be our best option at guard, and would it even be good enough?

Hear Hogsdon is a natural Guard/Center move him to Center let McKinney sit down

Corrosion

08-03-2005, 02:07 AM

let McKinney sit down

:highfive:

best idea ive heard yet .

Im not looking forward to seeing DC :ouch: again this season .

If I were DC .... i'd hold out for better a better O-Line !

TexansR#1

08-03-2005, 07:59 AM

Heres what I think we should do for the line if we move them. Move Pitts to left tackle ... move mckinney to left guard ... and washington to center

sulli60

08-03-2005, 04:10 PM

Its too bad the center is considered the quarterback of the O-Line it would be a perfect place for a bulldozing run blocker like Riley. It has to be next to impossible to be offsides when your snapping the ball. He'd probably hit his belly with the ball everytime he tried to snap it too.

geebrr

08-03-2005, 04:55 PM

How does Garrick Jones look?

Vinny

08-03-2005, 06:03 PM

Its too bad the center is considered the quarterback of the O-Line it would be a perfect place for a bulldozing run blocker like Riley. It has to be next to impossible to be offsides when your snapping the ball. He'd probably hit his belly with the ball everytime he tried to snap it too.You don't see quite as many big fat guys at Center as you will at Guard. Smaller (if you can call it that) guys are able to hike the ball and come off their blocks better than big overstuffed linemen types. I wouldn't read to much into the camp O-line battles until we go full live contact. Lineplay is about contact and how you deal with it. Obviously, feet are important, but we will see Wand's progress or lack of progress once Denver comes to town.

wags

08-03-2005, 06:19 PM

Obviously, feet are important, but we will see Wand's progress or lack of progress once Denver comes to town.

How did Wand look last preseason? I don't remember much of the preseason talk.

keyfro

08-03-2005, 10:20 PM

well keep in mind that by the end of last season pitts was really coming into his own...i truely believe that pitts can be pro bowl material in a couple of seasons at guard not tackle...and vinny hit the verbial nail on the head with the comment on centers needing quick feet...that's why we draft hodgdon...once the kid gets the mental part of the game down he will be our starter at center for the next 7-10 years...i think this guy with pitts is gonna be something really good for us for years to come

Grid

08-03-2005, 10:32 PM

If our line has another bad year.. its time to spend the bucks in FA and get some players on it.

Im all for giving them another shot.. but I dunno if Carr will recover from another bad year.

eriadoc

08-04-2005, 02:06 AM

Im all for giving them another shot.. but I dunno if Carr will recover from another bad year.

That's my concern. So many people bash on Carr like he needs to make progress, but psycholoically, I don't see how he can get much better when he knows he has time to read to AJ and then dump off. Even on the plays where he does have time, he's probably so spooked, he doesn't react well.

Runner

08-04-2005, 07:29 AM

That's my concern. So many people bash on Carr like he needs to make progress, but psycholoically, I don't see how he can get much better when he knows he has time to read to AJ and then dump off. Even on the plays where he does have time, he's probably so spooked, he doesn't react well.

The new diversified offense should help Carr too. Our seven step drops and long routes have become too predictable. We should be able to get the ball into more players' hands with these quick timing routes.

It should also be an opportunity to get Andre the ball more and let him make plays. Three step drops and quick slants to Andre - reminiscent of Jerry Rice as a 49er.

What I am reading is defense has the edge against the OL. I was reading about Weary getting beat by TJ or wand/riley getting beat by Peek/anderson etc.

well the good thing is that OL has some fllm to watch and learn..

ive heard alot of good things about charlie anderson. and peek....

:drool:

does our o-line suck, or is our pass rush so damn good?? lol

nunusguy

08-05-2005, 07:21 PM

I'm startin to feel sorry for poor ole Seth Wand, he justed got trashed on Channel 13, again ! This time rook TJ made him look like a fool like Peek did
the other day on some video 13 played. But what was different on this incident, Seth was out there explain & apologizen to 13 about screwin up.
You know how the media likes to shape opinion - I'm thinkin channel 13 will be getting one of those polls before long where they ask who should be the LT: (A) Wand (B) should it be Riley (C) should it be Pitts,(D) or another ? But before I let 13 get its way, I want to see atleast a couple of preseason games with all the principals on display befor I make up my mind.

Runner

08-05-2005, 10:19 PM

I'm startin to feel sorry for poor ole Seth Wand, he justed got trashed on Channel 13, again ! This time rook TJ made him look like a fool like Peek did
the other day on some video 13 played. But what was different on this incident, Seth was out there explain & apologizen to 13 about screwin up.
You know how the media likes to shape opinion - I'm thinkin channel 13 will be getting one of those polls before long where they ask who should be the LT: (A) Wand (B) should it be Riley (C) should it be Pitts,(D) or another ? But before I let 13 get its way, I want to see atleast a couple of preseason games with all the principals on display befor I make up my mind.

Too bad it doesn't make interesting TV the other 20 plays when Wand blocks the rusher. People are getting the impression he gets run over every play. Talk about misleading public opinion.

Peek is awfully darn quick though. Reminds me of a certain Mr. Freeney. Anybody think that they have Wand playing with the second team just so he can go against Peek?

TEXANS84

08-05-2005, 11:13 PM

Anybody think that they have Wand playing with the second team just so he can go against Peek?
Wand has been going against Peek (they are both first team, Capers is experimenting with Riley on first team every now and then) in training camp, and Wand held his own on Monday's practice against both Antwan and Robaire.

Runner

08-05-2005, 11:58 PM

From what I understand they have Wand with the first team most of the day and then Riley with the 4 other starting lineman during the full team drills. These drills have the first team offense going against the second team defense and vice versa. Wand is still #1 on the depth chart.

Ibar_Harry

08-06-2005, 02:32 PM

If you go listen to the John McClain show you will get some interesting comments. For one, he believes Pitts is going to be left guard and that's where he's going to remain, because they think he can be all pro at that position and they like Pitts personally. Number 2 is that Seth Wand went to Capers and asked what he's doing wrong and what does he need to correct inorder to do his job at LT. Number 3 is that McClain says Wand is a good guy that you would like to see make this team. Finally, McClain says he has no idea what this team is going to do this year and it will be hard to judge until they start playing for real. Oh, bye the way, he does like Mathis.

Ibar_Harry

08-06-2005, 02:41 PM

McClain has said the Texans are his beat this year and it sounds like he's spending a lot of time there. Justice intimated that McClain had been there all week. I don't always agree with McClain, but you certainly have to respect what you hear from him. I think his shows this year could prove to be invalueable to those who would like to judge what is happening in camp. At the present time he simply seems to be unwilling to give an assessment of where the team stands, but he at least seems to be somewhat upbeat over previous years statements at this time of the year.

Ibar_Harry

08-06-2005, 11:57 PM

I would rather read labels on cans of dog food than read their
know it all junk... If I couldn't pick winners better than John
I would have to find a job, and quit gambling. Ain't going to
happen. :cool:

Perhaps, but its a sign that people are having higher expectations. The Chronicle is assigning their key person to the Texans and he is spending time there. Each of us will read and hear what we want from this source, but at least we will perhaps have an opportunity to pick up more information than before.

buddyroe

08-07-2005, 12:05 AM

Last year the Texans changed from man blocking
to zone blocking and there where blown assignments,
coupled with injuries they looked pretty bad as a whole.
With a year under their belt in the new system and
good health they should be greatly improved.

stephen1

08-07-2005, 12:31 AM

Last year the Texans changed from man blocking
to zone blocking and there where blown assignments,
coupled with injuries they looked pretty bad as a whole.
With a year under their belt in the new system and
good health they should be greatly improved.
i agree with you. i think the line will know where each one of them is and have a better pickup of blitzes and d-line switches. i also think they are playing with a chip on their shoulders because of all the negative media and fan comments about them.

nunusguy

08-07-2005, 10:49 AM

Here in the next few weeks we are going to get some real evidence on the
evolution of Seth Wand in the NFL and where he's at at this point in time
so we (we to include the Texans' coaches) can make a decision about his
chances of suceeding as our teams LT this year. But one thing that really
bothers me about him is that I have doubts about his basic physical strength.
If you recall, at the combine he could not even knock out 20 reps in the 225 lb press which is a level that many much smaller players can reach.
The Texans acknowledged that his strength was lacking but said that weight
room routines would take care of all that. Well, here it is more than 2 years after he was drafted, and there may still be strength issues because I still see incidents of Wand getting overpowered in one-on-one blocking drills with defensive players.

BornOrange

08-07-2005, 11:38 AM

I would rather read labels on cans of dog food than read their
know it all junk... If I couldn't pick winners better than John I would have to find a job, and quit gambling. Ain't going to happen. :cool:

McClain wouldn't be a good gambler.

However, he is one of the best football writers in the country and having him as the Texans beat writer means that we will be getting a lot more information on the Texans and their opponents than we have been getting in the past. I think the Chronicle is responding to our complaints that the Texans weren't getting enough coverage by moving McClain to cover the Texans instead of the NFL as a whole.

bckey

08-08-2005, 08:11 PM

This line comming into our 4th season is shaping up to be a huge disaster. Capers might get fired if we finish below 7 wins this season.

I don't think Capers would get fired. Now Palmer on the other hand probably would. Capers doesn't know offense like he does defense so his OC is on an island and needs to be creative and design plays that will work with the personel that we have. The guy I would love to see get promoted within the organization is Hoke. I'd like to see be our DC someday if nobody steals him before then.

Tailgate

08-08-2005, 08:48 PM

The latest quote from Carr on the O-Line:

(On getting hit less this year compared to last year) ďYeah, I think that itís just a matter of what Iíve seen so far in practice. Usually, we have three guys running through or we have guys that arenít accounted for because the protection is asked to be helped to long or just one of those reasons. I think we havenít had nearly as much as we had last season.Ē

buddyroe

08-08-2005, 09:05 PM

Carr was saying defenders aren't breaking free this year like
they have in the past.I think if we can cut the sacks in half
(from 49 down to 24)the offense will excel.I expect a break
out season for Carr (25-30 TD passes) and the offense as
a whole.
Our Dline is looking good this year also.If Robaire Smith stays
healthy and Travis Johnson is as good as I believe he is we
will get more than enough pressure on the QB and allow our
safeties and linebackers to run free and make plays.

Super Bowl XL Houston 27 Carolina 10

scourge

08-09-2005, 12:52 AM

Victor Riley scares me...

"As an offensive lineman, (allowing) anywhere between 15 to 20 sacks is a good number," Riley said. link (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA080805.5D.FBCtexans.johnson.83c3171.html)

if thats 'good numbers', then if each of our linemen allow 15 sacks Carr should expect to be on his *** 75 times.

Grid

08-09-2005, 01:05 AM

.... I think he meant total....like the whole line.

at least i pray to god that that is the case.

beerlover

08-09-2005, 03:13 AM

listening to Casserly it sounds like both Wand & Riley are having themselves a good camp, he specificly stated that Riley has exceeded expectations & can play RT if needed (remember last year when Wade was hurt?). overall the offensive line should be improved both in talent, experience and depth.

the defense sounds as if its just going to crush :highfive:

texan279

08-11-2005, 11:34 PM

I don't know if this was posted anywhere yet so if so, sorry...

Texans | O-Line Shows Improvement
Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:06:09 -0700

Nick Schenck, of HoustonTexans.com, reports one of the Houston Texans' points of emphasis early in the preseason is to establish the running game. In his early evaluations, head coach Dom Capers has noticed the Texans' offensive line is faster off the line of scrimmage than in the past. That's a good sign for offensive coordinator Chris Palmer's unit, which suffered some growing pains learning the zone blocking scheme last season. "I just feel like with our running backs, if we can give (Domanick Davis) a little bit of a downhill entry, then he'll find a crease in there," Capers said. "But I think we're coming off the ball with more power, and I like our footwork. I think the coordination of the guys working together is the best it's been."

Vinny

08-12-2005, 12:03 AM

The latest quote from Carr on the O-Line:

(On getting hit less this year compared to last year) ďYeah, I think that itís just a matter of what Iíve seen so far in practice. Usually, we have three guys running through or we have guys that arenít accounted for because the protection is asked to be helped to long or just one of those reasons. I think we havenít had nearly as much as we had last season.Ē
We haven't even played a game yet. :um:

Ibar_Harry

08-12-2005, 12:54 AM

We haven't even played a game yet. :um:

Yes, Vinny, he said based on practice of this year vs last year. He's a company man and to his credit he won't pan the offensive line.

wags

08-12-2005, 02:53 AM

Yes, Vinny, he said based on practice of this year vs last year. He's a company man and to his credit he won't pan the offensive line.

Yep. He had every chance in the world to trash the line last year and he didn't. Carr is a class guy and I only wish we could provide him with a decent O-line that had half the talent Carr has.

HJam72

08-12-2005, 07:29 AM

The more Carr refuses to bash the O-line, the more we do it. :rolleyes:

jmantexfan

08-12-2005, 08:59 AM

i am really excited and hoping i can gt done working by 7 saturday to see the starting OL take on the Starting DL of Denver. I really hope we can hold pressure up the middle. I am also interested to se the work of rookie, Hodgden. It would be nice to see him in one series with first teamers. I think if he looks decsent in 4 preseason games, we should replace mckinney with him. thing to look for is if he gets knocked on his hiney like Mckinney. If not, i would say he is an instant upgrade despite being a late round rookie(many have suprised in the past and done great things)

BigDTexansFan

08-12-2005, 11:14 AM

Victor Riley scares me...

"As an offensive lineman, (allowing) anywhere between 15 to 20 sacks is a good number," Riley said. link (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA080805.5D.FBCtexans.johnson.83c3171.html)

I think he is talking about the line allowing 15-20 sacks (which is an average of 1-1.5 pr game) Not bad and betting Carr would take 1 sack a game too