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Ranveer Singh and Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev set the stage on fire

By - Sandra Marina Fernandes

Updated: Jul 23, 2018, 00:05 IST

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The discussion between Bollywood actor Ranveer Singh and spiritual guru Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev at the recently concluded IIMBue 2018 Leadership Conclave was all about witty one-liners, puns and laughter. While Ranveer was full of energy and spontaneity as expected, Sadhguru painted the opposite picture of a calm and poised individual, who answered every question that the actor posed, with ease. The session, titled ‘Sensing the Future through many lenses’, saw both of them discuss a range of topics, including finding peace within oneself, technology, education, the football world cup and more. The highlight, however, was when both shook a leg onstage, taking everyone by surprise. Excerpts from the talk…

Ranveer: Do you dance guruji? I’m sure you do, but where and when? I like psychedelic trance music and can dance for hours. And by the end of it, I feel euphoric. Does that resonate with you?

Sadhguru: Generally, I don’t need any music to dance. For me, dance is not because of the music. It is simply because I’ve found the rhythm of life.

Ranveer: We can tell you’re a party animal, come on…

Sadhguru: Well, my parties are normally telecast all over the place. So, people know that we have danced for 12 hours — from 6 am to 6 pm. But if we have to take this a little deeper, I think that’s what people are expecting that you ask me gossipy questions and I’m supposed to make it profound for them (laughs).

This nation was named Bharatha, which means
bhava, raga and
tala.
Bhava means sensation. Your wh
ole experience of life is through different sensations. You might be interpreting it in different ways, but it’s an amalgamation of sensations. Raga is the tune for this. There is no participation, existence has already set a tune for this. Our ability to live this life is in finding the tala or the rhythm. If you find the tala, your life will be like a dance.

Ranveer: Guru
ji, you went for the football world cup. I’m so jealous of you. Tell us about that…

Sadhguru: Yes, I went for the football world cup. I’ve been dreaming about it since the age of 12-13. So, here I am and now I made it. So, you wait… (laughs). The spectacle was great. We have to congratulate the organising capabilities of Russia. There were thousands of volunteers, who were smiling and would help you if you were confused. The level of organisation was fantastic and I thought, ‘this is the way to organise events’. People kept asking me which team I was rooting for. I just said I root for football. The only disappointment was I wanted to see James Rodrigues play but unfortunately Columbia got knocked out before I went here.

Ranveer: Sir, they should come to see how we do Ganapati
visarjan in Mumbai. It’s epic!

Sadhguru: Well, you just have to drive in Bengaluru.

Ranveer: You mentioned sports. How can we inculcate winning into young children?

Sadhguru: If you don’t conduct the process correctly, winning is only the desire. All the 32 teams in the football world cup came with the desire to win, but only one wins because they handled the process right. This is a culture where we always insist on the process. But today, we have become a goal-oriented society, our desire has become more important than the process. We have shifted our attention to the goal. It’s important that we explore the full potential of who we are.

Ranveer: I feel what you’re saying guru
ji, I’m just not able to articulate it. That’s why you are here.

Ranveer: We are here to sense the future. I’ve heard you say before that the moment now is eternity, everything is now. What is future?

Sadhguru: Generally, when people want to know the future, they go to an astrologer or they go to a match-fixer (laughs). They want to ask a third person what will happen to my marriage. I think it’s obscene.

Ranveer: Obscene is the word you choose?

Sadhguru: Yes, you want a third person to tell you how you’re going to life with your wife… You’re a match fixer, before you enter the game, you want to know the result. If I tell you what happens in the next few years, believe me in the next three days, you will be so desperate. Somehow, you would want to disprove what is said. It will become so frustrating you will not want to live. Most people will not be capable of participating in what’s happening today. It’s best that they do not know what’s tomorrow.

Ranveer: I feel technology is permeating everything and it makes me think ‘were human beings ever meant to communicate like this?’ What is your take on social media and technology?

Sadhguru: Every machine that we’ve created is about an extension of extending our faculties in some way. Having a mobile phone is OK. I know what landlines meant. When I was travelling across my country, building my foundation, I had telephone days. Today, I just have to say the name and my phone makes the call. I hugely appreciate a cell phone. People don’t complain about the technology, they complain about their own compulsiveness. The compulsiveness is there in all aspects of our life and the gadget has become the drug.

Ranveer: What makes you share your knowledge with everyone? Don’t you think sometimes that
‘yeh sab moh maya hai’. Don’t you want to go to a mountain and meditate?

Sadhguru: I don’t have to go to a mountain to meditate. I’m meditative in every moment of my life. If you fix a purpose of life, you will do what you think is right. If you don’t, you will do what is needed.

Ranveer: I feel that there is nothing better that I can do than to entertain people. If someone looks at me and waves at me, I wave back thinking that it makes the other person happy. I love to do that.

Sadhguru: That is also needed. Entertainment is needed because people are not just simply ecstatic by themselves. Entertainment is needed or else a lot of them would sink into depression. You are doing very cheap psychiatry (laughs) —not cheap but inexpensive.

Ranveer: It’s not cheap, it costs about Rs 500 bucks to go to a multiplex nowadays.

Sadhguru: At least they go for three hours and they feel happy. In a country like ours, a lot of people are living in poverty. I think cricket and cinema is keeps up the mood of the family. I hope that changes soon though.

Ranveer: Please don’t say that I’ll be out of job (laughs).

Ranveer: If I want to be at peace with myself, what do I need to do?

Sadhguru: Peace is a very poor aspiration. Unfortunately, even so-called spiritual leaders are going about saying that the ultimate goal of life is to find peace. Peace is a fundamental requirement. Why are you making it as the last thing in your life? It must be the first thing that happens to you. Every creature, if fed well, is at peace except human beings. The problem with humans is that they are unable to handle their own intelligence.

Sadhguru’s response to intolerance...

During the Q&A round with the audience, the topic of education was broached, to which Sadhguru responded and said, “Education is a life taking process. We’ve made it an industrial process of turning out certain products. This is a crime against humanity. If you’re in a strait jacket, you cannot access other dimensions of life.”

On asking whether we had become an intolerant society, Sadhguru said, “In my experience, the differences of caste, creed have come down a lot, compared to how it was 25 years ago. There are terrible things still happening, but there is a world of change compared to 25 years back. The incidences of intolerance are not new. It has been happening, they are not just reported. This happens because we are not ruled by law. It is the society that manages its own law.”

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