Small backseat. Might as well be a coupe. This matters if you're a tall guy (which I think you are from reading some of your other posts). No free maintenance, brakes/rotors would be an issue with me as well. For some reason, Lexus' are super expensive for me to insure. Don't know whether that is the case for everyone but might want to look into that prior to purchase.

The IS-F looks sick in person IMO. Just be prepared for it eating gas and for higher gas prices with the coming inflation/dollar devaluation.

Small backseat. Might as well be a coupe. This matters if you're a tall guy (which I think you are from reading some of your other posts). No free maintenance, brakes/rotors would be an issue with me as well. For some reason, Lexus' are super expensive for me to insure. Don't know whether that is the case for everyone but might want to look into that prior to purchase.

The IS-F looks sick in person IMO. Just be prepared for it eating gas and for higher gas prices with the coming inflation/dollar devaluation.

Yea I'm 6'6 so whichever car I get it will be a 3 seater Lol unless a small toddler sits behind me, but I hate riding with people in the backseat unless they are good looking girls anyways!

Father had an IS350 for just under a year, and had nothing but TERRIBLE experiences. I'd considering something other than the IS. I really can't emphasize enough how unhappy he was. Constantly had little electrical bits breaking, seat belt broke, and the seats... THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE seats in the world. I have NEVER felt more uncomfortable seats in a car EVER. This may sound silly, as Lexus is known for having comfortable seats, but these were TERRIBLE. The exacerbated his sciatica to the point where his orthopedist actually told him to get another car. At one point, my sister started crying from the back pain after riding in the car for 8 hours or so. Handling was awful, my '03 Cobra handled rings around that car. Hell, my Volvo S60R handled rings around that car.

I will never buy another Lexus after how terrible that car was. Major service department issues also, but I can't blame that on the brand.

CTS-V? C63? New S4?

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Also, have you seen the track times? I mean the real track? In C&Ds latest comparo, it got LIT UP by a 135i around the track. Not to mention a Cobalt SS. It can't keep up with sports sedans/coupes at less than half the price, why on earth would you buy one? I can't imagine the handling is much better than a school bus given how terrible the track times are with that much power.

My father made the mistake of buying the IS350 for similar reasons. Stylish, reliable, cheap, and quick. Biggest car buying mistake of his life. To this day he swears up and down it was a worse car than his Ford Exploder.

Not trying to shit in your ear or rain on your parade, just reccomending you look around before throwing that kinda money around. You could get an RS4 for that much money.

Father had an IS350 for just under a year, and had nothing but TERRIBLE experiences. I'd considering something other than the IS. I really can't emphasize enough how unhappy he was. Constantly had little electrical bits breaking, seat belt broke, and the seats... THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE seats in the world. I have NEVER felt more uncomfortable seats in a car EVER. This may sound silly, as Lexus is known for having comfortable seats, but these were TERRIBLE. The exacerbated his sciatica to the point where his orthopedist actually told him to get another car. At one point, my sister started crying from the back pain after riding in the car for 8 hours or so. Handling was awful, my '03 Cobra handled rings around that car. Hell, my Volvo S60R handled rings around that car.

I will never buy another Lexus after how terrible that car was. Major service department issues also, but I can't blame that on the brand.

CTS-V? C63? New S4?

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Also, have you seen the track times? I mean the real track? In C&Ds latest comparo, it got LIT UP by a 135i around the track. Not to mention a Cobalt SS. It can't keep up with sports sedans/coupes at less than half the price, why on earth would you buy one? I can't imagine the handling is much better than a school bus given how terrible the track times are with that much power.

My father made the mistake of buying the IS350 for similar reasons. Stylish, reliable, cheap, and quick. Biggest car buying mistake of his life. To this day he swears up and down it was a worse car than his Ford Exploder.

Not trying to shit in your ear or rain on your parade, just reccomending you look around before throwing that kinda money around. You could get an RS4 for that much money.

Why are you mentioning the IS350 so much? The IS-F and IS350 are totally different cars, aren't they?
Just because your dad had problems, doesn't mean anything. There will always be a bad apple here and there.

And track times? Most people live 99.9999999999% of time in real life, where all those small differences are null.

Why are you mentioning the IS350 so much? The IS-F and IS350 are totally different cars, aren't they?
Just because your dad had problems, doesn't mean anything. There will always be a bad apple here and there.

And track times? Most people live 99.9999999999% of time in real life, where all those small differences are null.

It puts down almost identical number as the M3 and some have squeezed a 4.2 0-60 time and a 12.4 1/4 pass on a stock one making it faster than both.Also the IS-F comes fully loaded at $62,000 compared to the $70,000+ fully loaded price of both German cars.

I agree IS-F is a decent buy, but the pricings you listed are not true no more. dealerships can't give cars away these days - u can get a M3 in the 60k range now.. it's insane how bad things are out there. i dont no much about IS-F but im sure they dont sell all that well either.

either way, have fun with the car - im sure it will be much more reliable than the bimmers.

OP - my friend has it....amazing sound above 4k RPMS....but in terms of the driving dynamics...I love my 335i more...It really didn't seem that different too me than an IS350 but I guess that is the difference between owning an IS-F and test driving one! Good luck man! IT IS a fast car!

I would have to agree with Footie. I was actually going to mention something. Over here Audi's def come at a higher price than Merc/BMW and they hold their value longer. Audi's are really up there with BMW/Merc. Infact, sometimes it's easier to appreciate things like the RS4 because you def always see more M3s around here!

I was up in the UK over summer and i saw loads of M3's and Almost every 3 series had the M-sport kit on it

It just seems to me sometimes that BMW can't get anything right the first time.
When the 335 came out...it had massive fuel pump failures the first year and even now some still do.
The 335XI (that i have) costs 52k and comes with a suspension thats as floaty and soft as a Ford Taurus. Where is the Ultimate Driving Machine in that?
Now the new M3 is out and has it's shares of problems especially with the DTC and others.
When the E60 M5 came out....plenty of SMG failures, just check out their forum.
BMW couldn't even get a Navigation and iDrive right until 2009. Can we all agree honestly that our pre 2009 Nav/iDrive is ugly, dumb and slow? Come on...

I love BMW, but they need to get real with pricing and reliability.

Good choice, man. Lexus builds amazing cars at good prices!

Precisely why I didn't get the navigation system is because the iDrive sucks