JRaider17 wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:10 am:In which he also said we need to get guys like Conley, Obi, MEJ healthy to see what we have. The fact that Cooper hasn't been mentioned yet speaks a bit of volume in my opinion. Of course I could be looking into it too much, but it doesn't seem like he has a list of guys he is willing to rattle off on offense that are legit weapons.

Huh? Not only is Cooper healthy, he knows what he has in Cooper. Yeah, I'd say you are reading way too much into this.

AutumnWind32 wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 am:I thought the same thing and I don’t think you’re reading into it at all. Gruden has gone out of his way to compliment Carr and the Oline and has said nothing about any of our skill positions.

Now obviously Cooper is part of our plans next year given his age and contract but I think this is Grudens way of sending early messages

"To see what we have." Cooper is a two time 1000 yard WR, he knows what we have in him. MEJ has been injured as much as he has been healthy and has not had more than 3.5 sacks in a season. Conley and Obi have shown nothing in terms of production.

The fact he didn't lump him in with the others is a positive sign, not a negative sign. But for some people, if he did mention him with the other unprovens, they would spin that into a shot at Cooper. "Ooooooo, Gruden doesn't know what we have in Cooper! He's on his way out." You know it an I know it.

I keep noticing how he keeps on mentioning how we have to surround Carr with weapons and such, has never mentioned anyone on offense aside from Carr and the offensive line. Seems like a lot of changes are coming.

HITMAN wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:53 am: Of course he's going to compliment is franchise QB... and not mentioning anyone else is just his way of saying people have to step up and play and perform... he's not going to slash the entire roster until he actually evaluates every position and every player.

I never suggested he’s slashing the entire roster but I promise you if he was thrilled with anyone else on the offensive side he would say so. I definitely expect changes

AutumnWind32 wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:53 am:I never suggested he’s slashing the entire roster but I promise you if he was thrilled with anyone else on the offensive side he would say so. I definitely expect changes

He knows Carr, and has sat with Carr and broke down film, he's asked him questioned based on situations... he hasn't had a chance to ask other players anything, hence the reason he can't really say much. Carr attended his Gruden QB camp... think about it

HITMAN wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:46 am: He knows Carr, and has sat with Carr and broke down film, he's asked him questioned based on situations... he hasn't had a chance to ask other players anything, hence the reason he can't really say much. Carr attended his Gruden QB camp... think about it

I’m not buying that he didn’t comment on any other player because he doesn’t know enough about them to comment. Again him not mentioning other player or position groups (like he did with Carr and the Oline) doesn’t mean he thinks their trash, but it also means he feels the jury is out on them. Like I said I think he’s sending some subtle messages

AutumnWind32 wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:57 am:I’m not buying that he didn’t comment on any other player because he doesn’t know enough about them to comment. Again him not mentioning other player or position groups (like he did with Carr and the Oline) doesn’t mean he thinks their trash, but it also means he feels the jury is out on them. Like I said I think he’s sending some subtle messages

And the jury is out on them, Gruden rarely makes comments on player's if he doesn't know much about them... again I think too many are reading into comments made or not made which is way premature.

HITMAN wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:46 am: He knows Carr, and has sat with Carr and broke down film, he's asked him questioned based on situations... he hasn't had a chance to ask other players anything, hence the reason he can't really say much. Carr attended his Gruden QB camp... think about it

I love this place and the discussions, but every year it seems the speculation and the comments made are taxing to say the least. None of us knows for certain, and it seems everyone wants to believe their thought or opinion on the matter are the facts.. this off season will be one for the ages! just a hunch.

I really think we will def get a new wr. I am not sure they will bring crabs back. If they dont, we have one wr with loads of talent in cooper than needs to be coached up and then what? A weapon who cant run the full route tree in Patterson and a bunch of bums.

HITMAN wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 am: I love this place and the discussions, but every year it seems the speculation and the comments made are taxing to say the least. None of us knows for certain, and it seems everyone wants to believe their thought or opinion on the matter are the facts.. this off season will be one for the ages! just a hunch.

To be clear, I'm agreeing Gruden does not comment much on players he isn't personally familiar with. Remember the question "Do we have a fullback?"

HITMAN wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 am: I love this place and the discussions, but every year it seems the speculation and the comments made are taxing to say the least. None of us knows for certain, and it seems everyone wants to believe their thought or opinion on the matter are the facts.. this off season will be one for the ages! just a hunch.

No doubt a few posters here think every word they type is a fact set in stone.If they repeat it enough times it must be true

getovahit wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 am:I really think we will def get a new wr. I am not sure they will bring crabs back. If they dont, we have one wr with loads of talent in cooper than needs to be coached up and then what? A weapon who cant run the full route tree in Patterson and a bunch of bums.

I like Donte Moncrief and John Brown. Both guy's shouldn't cost that much with their injury history, we could get some great value.

getovahit wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 am:I really think we will def get a new wr. I am not sure they will bring crabs back. If they dont, we have one wr with loads of talent in cooper than needs to be coached up and then what? A weapon who cant run the full route tree in Patterson and a bunch of bums.

Luckily while this draft doesn't have an elite WR prospect it's got a ton of quality ones. We'll be able to get a guy in the 2nd or even 3rd who could be groomed into a capable starter.

getovahit wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 am:I really think we will def get a new wr. I am not sure they will bring crabs back. If they dont, we have one wr with loads of talent in cooper than needs to be coached up and then what? A weapon who cant run the full route tree in Patterson and a bunch of bums.