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Topic review - Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

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JackSix

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Ciao Giampiero,

I am still chewing on the tactical value of having 1-2 aircrafts on the Littorio Class (Reggiane Re.2000) which can be only catapulted off the ship once. I understand, the Reggiane Re.2000 was a long range version, which after being catapulted could land on an airfield. However, I am just picturing a mission scenario. The Roma is on a mission, shots of the Re.2000 for fighter support or reconnaissance and that's it. Resupply with the Re.2000 is only possible in harbor or via a supply ship. It's like going to battle with one magazine in my rifle, shoot it off and that's it. Does'nt sound to my like a great idea. I don't get it?

Can you provide any background what the idea behind this concept was?

Secondly, do you happen to know what the color of the floats were (see pic)? I have seen them in all colors: Red, yellow, orange, khaki, light grey (as the superstructure). I have no clue what the original color is.

Thirdly, do you know what the color of the blast bags were (pls. see second picture)? White, khaki or grey?

Hope things ease slowly off in Italy.

Have a great day,

Jack

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Ciao Giampiero,

I am still chewing on the [b]tactical value[/b] of having 1-2 aircrafts on the Littorio Class (Reggiane Re.2000) which can be only catapulted off the ship once. I understand, the Reggiane Re.2000 was a long range version, which after being catapulted could land on an airfield. However, I am just picturing a mission scenario. The Roma is on a mission, shots of the Re.2000 for fighter support or reconnaissance and that's it. Resupply with the Re.2000 is only possible in harbor or via a supply ship. It's like going to battle with one magazine in my rifle, shoot it off and that's it. Does'nt sound to my like a great idea. I don't get it?

Can you provide any background what the idea behind this concept was?

[b]Secondly, do you happen to know what the color of the floats were (see pic)?[/b] I have seen them in all colors: Red, yellow, orange, khaki, light grey (as the superstructure). I have no clue what the original color is.

[b]Thirdly, do you know what the color of the blast bags were [/b](pls. see second picture)? White, khaki or grey?

Hope things ease slowly off in Italy.

Have a great day,

Jack

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:32 am

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Ciao Jack,

Hi Jack,

I'm glad to share, the information I know.

you too take care and stay healthy,

RegardsGiampiero

Ciao Jack,

Hi Jack,

I'm glad to share, the information I know.

you too take care and stay healthy,

RegardsGiampiero

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:18 am

JackSix

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

@Giampiero,

Thank you very much for you detailed reply. Will paint the model as you suggested. Woow, you really have an interesting background. Thanks for sharing.

Mille grazie, take care and stay healthy,

Jack

@Giampiero,

Thank you very much for you detailed reply. Will paint the model as you suggested. Woow, you really have an interesting background. Thanks for sharing.

Mille grazie, take care and stay healthy,

Jack

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:58 am

Giampiero

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Ciao Jack,

( but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.)Yes the first model battleships Roma , Vittorio Veneto e Littorio in scale 1/700 from 1997 to 2011 ,they were mine in resin and Pe, then with the release of the Trumpeter I made the detail sets, even in 350 there was a limited edition of the battleship Roma made in 3D in resin, Pe and barrels between 2005 and 2007. I study military history and history of the Italian Navy

Ciao Jack,

( but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.)Yes the first model battleships Roma , Vittorio Veneto e Littorio in scale 1/700 from 1997 to 2011 ,they were mine in resin and Pe, then with the release of the Trumpeter I made the detail sets, even in 350 there was a limited edition of the battleship Roma made in 3D in resin, Pe and barrels between 2005 and 2007. I study military history and history of the Italian Navy

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:55 am

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

JackSix wrote:

@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?2. What about the camouflage color. Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack

Ciao Jack,

For hull camouflage , I use the Humbrol 67 , but the color 3 (dark blue grey) is ok , for the deck is better A dark grey , for the red of the bow stripes we use a brick red, not a bright red.

The Re 2000 fighters were embarked for air defense, Vittorio Veneto embarked 2, the Littorio (then Italy after 25 July 1943) 1 and the Roma 2 (but on 8 September 1 was embarked).

Once catapulted and air escorted, they reached the nearest base (Autonomy 740 km (400 nmi))

Best regards,Giampiero

[quote="JackSix"]@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. [b]Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?[/b]2. What about the camouflage color. [b]Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"[/b]

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question :smallsmile: I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

:thanks: again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack[/quote]

Ciao Jack,

For hull camouflage , I use the Humbrol 67 , but the color 3 (dark blue grey) is ok , for the deck is better A dark grey , for the red of the bow stripes we use a brick red, not a bright red.

The Re 2000 fighters were embarked for air defense, Vittorio Veneto embarked 2, the Littorio (then Italy after 25 July 1943) 1 and the Roma 2 (but on 8 September 1 was embarked).

Once catapulted and air escorted, they reached the nearest base (Autonomy 740 km (400 nmi))

Best regards,Giampiero

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:43 am

thebunkerparodie

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Giampiero wrote:

Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero

thanks!

[quote="Giampiero"]Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero[/quote]thanks!

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:08 am

JackSix

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?2. What about the camouflage color. Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack

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@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. [b]Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?[/b]2. What about the camouflage color. [b]Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"[/b]

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question :smallsmile: I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

:thanks: again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:10 pm

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

JackSix wrote:

@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack

Ciao Jack,

Yes)(So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?)

Yes also top turret 90 mm in the july 1943 (All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?)

All barrels in the july 1943 in the color dark grey camouflage

Yes Jack, thanks for your message, yes I live in Rome, the situation is difficult but we are at home, we go out only once a week for food expenditure.

Greetings Best regards Giampiero

[quote="JackSix"]@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey [b]is a very dark grey[/b], there is no blue in it? [b]Is that correct?[/b]

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) [b]AND[/b] the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. [b]Correct?[/b]

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack[/quote]

Ciao Jack,

Yes)(So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?)

Yes also top turret 90 mm in the july 1943 (All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?)

All barrels in the july 1943 in the color dark grey camouflage

Yes Jack, thanks for your message, yes I live in Rome, the situation is difficult but we are at home, we go out only once a week for food expenditure.

Greetings Best regards Giampiero

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:56 am

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero

Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:50 am

thebunkerparodie

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Giampiero wrote:

thebunkerparodie wrote:

is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?

Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

RegardsGiampiero

thanks arer the superstructure different or not?

[quote="Giampiero"][quote="thebunkerparodie"]is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?[/quote]

Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

RegardsGiampiero[/quote]thanks arer the superstructure different or not?

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:32 am

JackSix

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack

@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey [b]is a very dark grey[/b], there is no blue in it? [b]Is that correct?[/b]

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) [b]AND[/b] the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. [b]Correct?[/b]

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:42 pm

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

JackSix wrote:

Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

What was the midship deck color? I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets? Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack

Ciao Jack,

The camouflage on the battleship Rome was painted in May / June 1942, the steel bridges are as dark as the top of the towers, both large and medium-sized. The lead was passed on the bridges by brushing, I as a color depending on the stocks of the colors I have (Humbrol 27 with a few drops of Humbrol 53) or Humbrol 32.

In the photo you inserted in the post, the ship still had to be delivered to the Navy

Ciao Giampiero

[quote="JackSix"]Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

[b]What was the midship deck color?[/b] I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

[b]Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets?[/b] Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

[b]Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?[/b]

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack[/quote]

Ciao Jack,

The camouflage on the battleship Rome was painted in May / June 1942, the steel bridges are as dark as the top of the towers, both large and medium-sized. The lead was passed on the bridges by brushing, I as a color depending on the stocks of the colors I have (Humbrol 27 with a few drops of Humbrol 53) or Humbrol 32.

In the photo you inserted in the post, the ship still had to be delivered to the Navy

Ciao Giampiero

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:36 pm

Giampiero

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

thebunkerparodie wrote:

is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?

Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

RegardsGiampiero

[quote="thebunkerparodie"]is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?[/quote]

Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

RegardsGiampiero

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:28 pm

thebunkerparodie

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?

is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:08 am

JackSix

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

What was the midship deck color? I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets? Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack

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Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

[b]What was the midship deck color?[/b] I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

[b]Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets?[/b] Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

[b]Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?[/b]

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:30 am

Zacharias

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

Below the waterline a hull was painted green.

chazi wrote:

HiDoes anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?Thanks

I would like to make an imitation on my Trumpeter model 1/350 Roma.

Below the waterline a hull was painted green.

[quote="chazi"]HiDoes anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?Thanks

I would like to make an imitation on my Trumpeter model 1/350 Roma.[/quote]

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:56 pm

chazi

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Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!

HiDoes anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?Thanks

I would like to make an imitation on my Trumpeter model 1/350 Roma.

HiDoes anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?Thanks

To anyone who has the new 1/350 Littorio kit, does it have full hull split vertically, like Trumpeter has gone to lately or the waterline upper and lower hull like Roma, which was their last kit to feature that?

To anyone who has the new 1/350 Littorio kit, does it have full hull split vertically, like Trumpeter has gone to lately or the waterline upper and lower hull like Roma, which was their last kit to feature that?