The corruption investigation will go on … As reported in Amigoe, an independent investigation will take place on possible corruption and “misgovernment” on Aruba. Aruban Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) announced earlier that there would be no investigation on corruption on the island. What else would one expect Oduber to say say seeing that it id his party in power and who will be scrutinized. For those that would claim that Aruba is “One Safe Island,” never mind the fact that such a notion would be lost on the family of missing and presumed dead Natalee Holloway. Can one really expect the truth when even the Netherlands states that there is corruption at the highest levels?

Corruption in Aruba … Talk about going out on a limb

By that, she referred to the quoted abuses with governmental institutes of Aruba, in her letter to the Dutch parliament. “You will of course at least need investigation methods to determine this”, says the State Secretary.

However, Premier Oduber did not want to elaborate yesterday as to what the plan of approach should imply, except that it particularly should enervate ‘tall stories’.On the question if the plan of approach also implies an investigation on possible corruption, he then responded with a ‘no’: “The plan of approach is not an investigation. The Kingdom has no right whatsoever to investigate internal affairs of Aruba.”

The questions are about the political climate on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles as a result of the interview in the Volkskrant newspaper with former deputy Attorney General (PG) Nico Jörg, who described the climate as being ‘dismal’. Brinkman asked whether the Dutch Minister was aware of ‘the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as confusion of interests, lobbying for political reasons and nepotism in Aruba” and what the Minister has subsequently done with this information

A pattern of corruption always starts at the top and trickles down to most every aspect that it touches, especially on a small island country like Aruba where it is easy to perpetrate fraud and corruption. With a pattern of corruption at play, are we supposed to believe that there was not one present in Aruba when the police and government officials dealt with the disappearance and investigation into missing Natalee Holloway?

The Lower Chamber regarding the status of the government of Aruba’. The package is a bundle of letters, all of recent dates, from the Aruban Attorney General, the head of the National Criminal Investigation Department, the directors of Aliens organization IASA, and the KIA-prison, police force chief Peter de Witte, and the registry of the Court in First Instance. The letters are particularly refutations of the raised abuses by the Dutch State Secretary in her letter of May 25th. The institutes especially allege that Bijleveld was not informed correctly, and used inaccurate and obsolete information in her report.

Aruban officials have claimed recently the the Natalee Holloway case is near an end. However, we would state that did it every really begin? It was also not to long ago that Dutch official Hero Brinkman called the Aruban Natalee Holloway instigators, “corrupt as hell”.

EXIT QUESTION: Can one really not think there was corruption when a case where 3 suspects were last seen with a missing girl driving away, the same three suspects lie about dropping the victim off at a hotel, then point fingers at innocent people, then continually lie in declaration to the police and even confess to crimes against the victim not once but twice. All this being said, Aruba still does not prosecute. Corruption? You make the call.

So let’s see – it’s an election year on Aruba and all of a sudden, political opponents to the incumbent administration are coming out of the woodwork and accusing the sitting Prime Minister of corruption. That would never happen anywhere else in the world, would it?

To those that equate this to the Natalee Holloway case, I say you are really stretching things. To those that think that this somehow exposes Aruba as a dangerous destination, I refer you to the following article from Forbes Traveler Magazine:

Corruption in Aruba = Does a Bear sh*t in the Woods ? Good luck with this “investigation”…what a JOKE

***JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY***

TIm on
June 25th, 2009 9:15 am

#2

I don’t believe everyone equates danger to a Yacht crime survey. Or say Aruba is dangerous for having a gang of thugs on every corner. I believe it has to do with the corrupt government and flimsy laws and the fact that if a crime does happen, its likely you wont find justice. There is no line that gets crossed or bar set. It’s a totally free for all. That’s the danger in Aruba. A bunch of chickens, with their heads cut off…well…that last part is just wishful thinking at this point.

buster on
June 25th, 2009 9:31 am

aruba corrupt, Does Rose Kennedy own a Black Dress

Dolf on
June 25th, 2009 9:32 am

ehhh, the Dutch goverment is not a political opponent.

we just like to know WTF you do with OUR taxmoney

buster on
June 25th, 2009 9:33 am

Oh ya I almost forgot: F&ck aruba !!!

Dolf on
June 25th, 2009 9:34 am

Brinkman didn’t call them corrupt as hell.

he called them a corrupt bananarepublic.

BibaLekker on
June 25th, 2009 9:56 am

“Over Our Death Body!” and that’s the main quote, write it down, remember it!

A Texas Grandfather on
June 25th, 2009 12:11 pm

This is an election year in Aruba? This whole thing is smoke and mirrors. Hero Brinkman is right on target. There will never be a good investigation of the Natalee Holloway case until the Dutch decide to reestablish control of Aruba, Bercuse and Caracoa and get rid of all the drug driven politics.
The real solution is for the US government to declare all three of the islands to be off limits to American turists. Since George Bush didn’t have his State Department do the right thing at the time, it let the thugs off the hook.

Mike on
June 25th, 2009 12:33 pm

I see the latest articles from the Amigoe states that the would go to the UN to fight this.

dotratc on
June 25th, 2009 1:43 pm

#11, who is going to the UN? I didn’t see that in the article that I read.

#10, do you seriously think that the US State Department is going to issue any kind of travel advisory, let alone a travel ban, to Aruba? I don’t.

allank on
June 25th, 2009 4:25 pm

What a joke after all this time? Why didn’t they step in along time ago especially during the case of Natalee Holloway if they really wanted to make a change. The whole world saw how corrupt Aruba is. Netherlands will do nothing unless it costs them to much cash. They are comfortable as they are with their money,sex,and power. They have what they want.

Greg the mongoose on
June 25th, 2009 5:24 pm

Lets bring NATALEE HOLLOWAY Killers to JUSTICE.
If you want to solve your Tourism problem? Arrest Joran Van der Sloot. He and the Kalpo brothers blamed two black security guards for Natalee.
He has lied to the police. Their is a witness that puts him leaving the beach with his father that night.

Oh, Joran Van der Sloot’s confession should be enough. If Aurba really want tourism to pick up? Have the Corrupt ex police chief Straten, busted for not doing a investigation. Joran’s godfather should have passed the investigation on to others, instead of warning Paulus, and delaying any justice. I believe its called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE ?
Also Joran father Paulus for giving his son a cell phone while in jail. A judge coaching a murder suspect should behind bars.
If Aruba wants $$$ from AMERICA, EUROPE, they need to apply Justice to this matter ASAP.
Even the Netherlands has had enough!

I emailed State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten about two years ago concerning this case. Never heard back. Maybe God is working this out to an end.
We have waited along time for something to happen to the people that covered this up.

Justice comes when each one on them are reminded of there part in this and his or her guilt eats at them.

Carpe on
June 26th, 2009 12:07 am

Never forget Nat!

She was the one that Aruba will NEVER BE ABLE TO
SWEEP UNDER THE CARPET.

Our girl brought the house down.

Simply unbeatable!

—

Yo Rat,

Betcha you still got dirt in your ear, ya peckerwood. LOL

Luv yaaaaaa!!! Keep enjoyin’ your Pecan Twirls, boobaleh.

Ray on
June 26th, 2009 2:15 am

BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Dolf on
June 26th, 2009 5:23 am

Steve, just 2 years…that means they are working on it

NL doesn’t have that much to say in Aruba, the Dutch police were allowed to investigate only when the Arubans asked them.

krieton on
June 26th, 2009 7:09 am

doctratc,the great unbeliever.believe this and more coming,aruba hates americans and thier citizens actualy trained to rip tourists off.oh sneaky aruba,you will be dragged,kicking and screaming into the light,by just one ankle, you know ,so you can kick helplessly with the other,for dramatic effect.http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57145.php

every time you read an article like this it does nothing but confirm what the world already knows about Lieruba…….it’s the cesspool of the caribbean. evil, liars and murderers. the only good thing that could ever happen to lieruba is to gather all the corrupt players together and hope a cat 5 hurricane hits it full force and it sinks into the ocean, for eternity.

state department on a rampage now.look out aruba,better cough up natalee soon,travel advisory may be changed very soon.

dotratc on
June 27th, 2009 6:25 pm

#25, I’m not holdong my breath.

Maggie on
June 28th, 2009 1:33 pm

doing an investigation into corruption now? Kind of like waiting 3 years to go search the VDSloot property.. These people are unfreakinbelievable. I am sick of promises, promises. We have heard them 4 years now and nothing. They know exactly what happened to Natalee in Aruba. Are these people in charge that sadistic there? We already know they are in Aruba.. Just look back at all those people who came out and made so many empty promises and lied to our faces over and over to cover their butts, and then trashed Natalee and her family.

Straten, people working in govt.. I have known them all for years and worked with them PVDSloot

How can I do this to my godson/best friends son.. JVDStraten.

Gerald Dompig.. Guilty as hell..rape.. buried her twice.. related to the Kalpoes, son is friends of Joran and the Kalpoes..Son was seen trolling for American girls at the same hotel.

Arlene Shippers.(auruban tourism spokesperson). sent to the USA to brief authorities on the investigation, access to police files, cousin Guido arrested for heavy battery against Natalee and hired the lawyer that defended Milosevic.

Don’t even search the property of the last 3 with Natalee for over 10 days, and never did search the VDSloot property and yet arrest 2 black security guards,who don’t even know Natalee, wake them up at dawn and search everything and arrest them for murder and kidnapping.

I could go on and on..let’s hope they put their money where their mouth is. What a sick bunch of people to drag a victim and the family through this over and over.. I have no clue why anyone would go to that place.

Lisa in Maryland on
June 28th, 2009 10:23 pm

Investigation??? Aruba has no idea of what that word means. How many years would they have to back peddle to find out? This is totally absurd! IS this thier way of trying to save face? As always with Aruba too little TOO LATE!

Why don’t they just wake up and hand the Vander Sloot Punk and his cohurts over and be done with it.

Anecdotal reporting suggests that the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, semi-autonomous regions within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, are transit and destination regions for trafficking of men, women, and possibly children for sexual exploitation and domestic servitude, as well as forced labor in the construction and agriculture sectors. Curacao, Aruba, and Saint Maarten are destination islands for women trafficked for the sex trade from Peru, Brazil, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, and Haiti, according to local observers. At least 500 foreign women reportedly are in prostitution throughout the five islands of the Antilles, some of whom have been trafficked. While the governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba admit that illegal immigration is a serious issue and are concerned about human trafficking, government officials generally do not recognize the extent of trafficking in the Dutch Caribbean.http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,ABW,,484f9a2f3c,0.html

bloodhound on
July 1st, 2009 11:02 pm

((edit))THANK-YOU in advance,oh yea this post to.

_______________________________________________

SM: Bloodhound – please do not post then decide later you don’t want it posted. We don’t have time to clean up after you. TIA (klaasend)

deepak kalpoe,this is the first and probably the last time you will be asked to help the president of the united states.be a good guy for once in your life and do the right thing,help the president find natalee.she is waiting for your help.http://www.angelfire.com/crazy3/smallville/

Now we know why Natalee cannot be found.
The Dutch Colonialists want to use this as part of their colonization plans in the Caribbean, accusing Aruba of this and any corruption they could dream of.

bloodhound on
July 4th, 2009 1:35 pm

here’s my response to the last post.

(EDIT: sorry, that link has been posted here before and it is no longer tolerated.)

R

bloodhound on
July 4th, 2009 8:36 pm

a prime example of ingrained sneaky thought process post 37.that post shows how arubans think.here we are trying to save a human bieng and she’s trying to convalute the central issue by presenting redicules arguments.which she must know are complete bull

Mr. Balkenende, Prime Minister of the Netherlands, will be visiting Mr. Obama, President of the USA this month. Will Mr. Balkenende and his Government announce that they are planning to start an investigation on corruption in the USA?
Or should the Brittish Government do that, because the USA may still be a Brittish (European) Colony?

How much “Budgetary Support” did Aruba ever receive from the Netherlands Government, from januari first, 1986 to this year, july first. 2009 to improve our legal systems?

The Netherlands to work with World Bank and United Kingdom on tough new anti-corruption policy
20 Jun 2008 | The Netherlands is to sign a cooperation agreement with the World Bank and the British Department for International Development (DFID) aimed at tackling corruption and promoting good governance in developing countries.
Dutch development minister Bert Koenders called the Governance Partnership Facility an important instrument for jointly stepping up efforts in the fight against corruption. ‘Dutch taxpayers’ money should be spent on reducing poverty,’ he said. ‘In poor countries corruption stands in the way of development, and that is unacceptable.’
As part of this agreement, the Netherlands will pursue a common anti-corruption policy in many countries with which it has a development relationship. Countries will receive support aimed at improving their budgetary and legal systems, and strengthening the oversight capabilities of civil society organisations and the media. Countries that receive Dutch budget support (5% of the total development cooperation budget) have to comply with conditions relating to anti-corruption and good governance before they can qualify for this kind of direct support.
Anti-corruption policy is high on the Dutch government’s agenda and the development minister has recently tightened up Dutch policy in this area. According to the report issued by the Anti-Corruption Task Force, established by Mr Koenders, risk analyses will be conducted to ensure a greater focus on preventing corruption. In addition, funding is being given to a UN and World Bank asset recovery pilot project designed to help developing countries claim back funds that have been channelled illegally into foreign bank accounts. A code of conduct has also been introduced for embassy staff, explaining what to do if they suspect Dutch nationals or businesses of bribing foreign government employees. This will help the Public Prosecution Service pursue such offences.http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/newsflashes,2008/06/The-Netherlands-to-work-with-World-Bank-and-United.html

Based on the Agreement of 1983 on Aruba’s Decolonization and Independence and as explained to the Trust Commission of the U.N. on the “statute/charter” of the kingdom, and the status of the States/Countries member of the kingdom, the complete autonomy and equality, that ‘liberated the Dutch Government of their ‘rapportageplicht’ (their obligation as the colonizing country, to report to the U.N. about the progress of their colonies): ….. The new Kingdom of the Netherlands is characterized by the principle that EACH of the COUNTRIES administers its internal affairs AUTONOMOUSLY(!) and that the THREE COUNTRIES are committed, on a basis of EQUALITY(!) (por el principio de que cada uno de los paises dirige sus propio asuntos internos con AUTONOMIA y que los TRES paises se comprometen en condiciones de IGUALDAD )………….. the COUNTRIES THEMSELVES(!) have the RIGHT(!) to determine THEIR(!) Constitutions. This includes the RIGHT)!) to revise or amend them (los propios paises tienen derecho a redactar sus constituciones. En ello esta incluido el derecho de a revisarlas y reformarlas) ……………!!!! ***
As explained further to the U.N.: :
*** … It follows from the PARTNERSHIP(!) within one Kingdom that the human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the main principles of the JUDICIARY(!), EXECUTIVE(!) and LEGISLATIVE(!) branches of government are EQUAL(!) in the THREE (!) COUNTRIES(!) ( se deduce de la coparticipacion que los derechos humanos y las libertades asi como los principios esenciales de los Poderes Judicial, Ejecutivo y Legislativo son iguales en los tres paises). ……………….. To safeguard the INDEPENDENCE of the JUDICIARY the highest judicial officers are appointed by the highest organ of the Kingdom, the King. ( Para proteger la independencia del poder Judicial, los funcionarios superiores de el son nombrados por el organo supremo del reino, el Rey….) It is necessary that the appointment of such office be FREE from consideration of political and personal relations …
Countries/States Court systems compared:
Compared to Malta:
Malta’s judiciary is independent. The President appoints the chief justice and 16 judges. Their mandatory retirement age is 65.
There is a civil court, a commercial court, and a criminal court. In the latter, the presiding judge sits with a jury of nine.
The court of appeal hears appeals from decisions of the civil court and of the commercial court.
The court of criminal appeal hears appeals from judgments of conviction by the criminal court.
The highest court, the Constitutional Court, hears appeals in cases involving violations of human rights, interpretation of the constitution, and invalidity of laws. It also has jurisdiction in cases concerning disputed parliamentary elections and electoral corrupt practices. There also are inferior courts presided over by a magistrate.
Compared to the Cook Islands (has a constitutional link with New Zealand):
The Court system exists of: * De Privy Council (UK), * the Court of Appeal, * the High Court (constituted by a High Court Judge), the High Court (constituted by Justices of the Peace).
Compared to Puerto Rico: Supreme Court; Appellate Court; Court of First Instance composed of two sections: a Superior Court and a Municipal Court (justices for all these courts appointed by the governor with the consent of the Senate;
CORRUPT ION AND COLONIAL ABUSE IS: when a Dutch Government in the 1990’s starts using corruption, acusations of drugtrafficking, etc. and a supposedly bad financial situation in Aruba, to abort Aruba’s Independence, instead of asking the United Nations for guidance and support to fulfill as agreed, planned, and promised in 1983, and in 1985 with the approval of Aruba’s Constitution, together with Aruba’s complete Independence, based on the REFERENDUM held since 1977 with the support of the United Nations!
The two options presented in Dutch and in Papiamento were very clear to everyone:
1.) Aruba independiente: Si un hende vota pa Aruba independiente anto esei lo nifica lo siguiente: cu e ta di opnion cu Aruba mester bira un estado independiente.
2.) Aruba parti estatal di un federacion Antillano independiente cu lo wordu forma: Si un hende vota pa Aruba, un parti estatal di un federacion Antillano independiente cu lo wordu forma anto esei ta nifica lo siguiente: cu e ta di opnion cu Aruba como parti estatal lo ta un subdivision di un federacion Antillano independiente cual lo ta un estado independiente.

If Aruba became Independent in 1996, there would have been no disapearance of Holloway. The Dutch Politicians since 1986, and always have done ANYTHING they could to maintain their colonies in the caribbean.
That’s all their ‘international power’ they still have, so they can still feel themselves ‘important’. Their own PEOPLE do not want any colonial relations with the islands, but you know, the dutch politicians don’t even respect their own people’s mandates and wishes.

vhj on
July 5th, 2009 2:43 pm

the very first paragraph in post 51,shows exactly whats coming for aruba.post 51 has proven that aruba is finished as a country

vhj on
July 5th, 2009 2:52 pm

the very first paragraph in post 47,shows exactly what’s coming for aruba,post 47 has proven that aruba is finished as a country.The Netherlands to work with World Bank and United Kingdom on tough new anti-corruption policy
20 Jun 2008 | The Netherlands is to sign a cooperation agreement with the World Bank and the British Department for International Development (DFID) aimed at tackling corruption and promoting good governance in developing countries.http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/newsflashes,2008/06/The-Netherlands-to-work-with-World-Bank-and-United.html

If Aruba did become Independent in 1996, today everything would be all right, and hopefully Natalee would not have disapeared

New Countries Created Since 1990
1.Armenia
2.Azerbaijan
3.Belarus
4.Estonia
5.Georgia
6.Kazakhstan
7.Kyrgyzstan
8.Latvia
9.Lithuania
10.Moldova
11.Russia
12.Tajikistan
13.Turkmenistan
14.Ukraine
15.Uzbekistan
16.Bosnia and Herzegovina,
17.Croatia,
18.Macedonia
19.Serbia
20.Montenegro,
21.Slovenia,
22.Namibia
23.Yemen.
24.East Germany and West Germany merged
25.The Marshall Islands
26.Micronesia,
27.The Czech Republic and Slovakia became independent nations
28.Eritrea was a part of Ethiopia but seceded and gained independence.
29.Palau was part of the Trust Territory of Pacific Islands (administered by the United States) and gained independence as a former colony.
30.East Timor (Timor-Leste) declared independence from Portugal in 1975 but did not become independent from Indonesia until 2002.

At times some people use force or fraud to take from others without wilful, voluntary consent. Normally, the initiation of force to take life is murder, to take liberty is slavery, and to take property is theft. It is the same whether these actions are done by one person acting alone, by the many acting against a few, or even by officials with fine hats and fancy titles.

Cu respet
With Respect
To live with respect for each other’s life and liberty:
With respect for each other’s Freedoms and Inalienable Rights,
For everyone to live with love for each other
in peace and harmony, in honour of Natalee, a beautifull human being,
and Aruba, a small and vulnerable State, both born in the year 1986;
Aruba on January 1st, Natalee on October 21st,
and both, victims of some people with no heart nor conscience!

Respect
Teaching the Importance
of Respecting Others
Jack Hartmann
There is something you can give to others
and others can give to you.
There is something you can give to yourself
and you’ll feel so proud too.
It’s not a toy or a teddy bear
it comes from you and me
It’s a special thing everyone can feel
Let’s spell it and I think you’ll see
After me say, R-E-S-P-E-C-T, for you and me.
What’s the word ?
RESPECT,
What’s the word?
RESPECT
It’s so important that you do, RESPECT yourself and others too
It’s so important that you do, RESPECT yourself and others too
You can share respect each day and do you know it’s true
Young or old, big or small and every color too
People all around the world like to share RESPECT
Respect for how we feel and live, respect to give and get
Get set, say R-E-S-P-E-C-T, for you and me
What’s the word ?
RESPECT,
What’s the word?
RESPECT
It’s so important that you do, RESPECT yourself and others too
It’s so important that you do, RESPECT yourself and others too
You can do it!
R-E-S-P-E-C-T, respect for you
and respect for me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T will help us live in harmony
R-E-S-P-E-C-T will help us live in harmony
R-E-S-P-E-C-Thttp://www.songsforteaching.com/jackhartmann/respect.htm

Love God with all your heart, your soul, your might and your mind, and all your fellowmen as much as yourself.

Maggie on
July 6th, 2009 12:37 pm

Is Aruba corrupt? Save yourself some money investigating..the answer is yes..now do something about it.. Unreal and Natalee Holloway’s case hasn’t progressed one iota since the first week after she was last seen leaving Carlos n Charlies with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, and Joran Van der Sloot.. (BIG HINT!!!!) It hasn’t progressed because they already know what happened..and that is the reason it hasn’t. No victim and their family should have to endure such garbage.

vhj on
July 9th, 2009 7:49 pm

going from expanding to shutting down.maybe the prime minister can step in.oh I know,how about a visit from that jew from chigago.he can threaten to kidnap the CEO’S kids.that’s probably all it would take.anyway HA-HA. http://www.portworld.com/news/2005/11/63114

About the knowledge of Human Rights in Aruba:
Could you believe that here in Aruba some politicians still don’t know what DEMOCRACY really means? And that they think that the Dutch Government has the right to ‘govern’ Aruba?
Aruba Since October 1987 became a member(associate) of Unesco and other organisations of the United Nations!
But … Aruba still does not have Aruban nationals representing Aruba there, and is still represented there by Dutch nationals?

At present, there are 360 different translations of UDHR, available in HTML and/or PDF format, but there is still no papiamento translation?
And also doesn’t know anything about UNESCO’s programs like the:
WORLD REPORT ON THE CULTURE OF PEACE and YOUTH FOR CULTURE OF PEACE
for the International Decade for a Culture of Peace and Non-Violence for the Children of the World (2001-2010)

… Recalling its resolution 52/15 proclaiming the year 2000 the ‘International Year for the Culture of Peace’ and its resolution 53/25 proclaiming the period 2001-2010 as the ‘International Decade for a Culture of Peace and Non-Violence for the Children of the World’,…

Education for a culture of peace
Decade of Education for sustainable Development

Running from 2005 to 2014, the aim of the United Nations Decade of Education for Sustainable Development is promote and improve the integration of Education for Sustainable Development into the educational strategies and action plans at all levels and sectors of education in all countries.

United Nations Decade of Education for Sustainable Development
Community Problem Solving

Democracy
According to the UNESCO Manual for Human Rights Education
democracy is a form of government in which participation by the people
(demos) is necessary. As a political system, democracy provides for:
The separation of the legislative, executive and judiciary powers;

Free elections;
Pluralism of political parties; and
Acceptance by the state of the general principles of law and human rights
as defined by the international community.
The forms of democratic institutions, though important, are not the be-all
or end-all of democracy. As Federico Mayor, a former Director-General
of UNESCO noted:

Democracy is a practice: Though based on values that can be transmitted,
it is essentially a way of acting. It is by putting it into effect that we justify it;
it is by making use of it that we give it legitimacy
Source: Bisch, P. Meyer (ed) (1995) Introduction, A culture of democracy:
a challenge for schools, UNESCO.

it’s all fine and dandy to have a private little club in which a small number of people leave one or two line messages.but if this is to be solved.everyone must get more involved.that means hitting every and any site a message can be left.the people in power only listen to noise that they can no longer tolerate.SO please make some noise.and I don’t mean just on this one site.every where

bloodhound on
July 12th, 2009 8:47 am

the people in power realy will listen.I know there’s bien progress made recently but lets keep the presure up.I have taken this info from another post but feel it’s impairative now.we can become a thorn in government if enough use these web addresses.don’t let time win.thats what the evil paulis vandersloot told his son would happen.here’s some good web addresses.
Links:
U.S. State Department:http://www.state.gov/g/tip/

if this is true.It would be impairitve if the state department send someone right away to make sure nothing is disturbed until everything is athenticated and documented,if not ,aruba will pay the price for that mistake by people having endless internet discusions about that screw up.

krieton on
July 16th, 2009 8:00 am

saw greta VAN STRATTEN on the other forum with texas mom.yes that skype technology is quite something.isn’t it.isn’t that the same technology joran VANDERSLOOT used in the taping of his conversation with the his father,the monster of aruba,paulis VANDERSLOOT.which you, according to the human trafficking confession interview you had with joran,have in your possesion.why haven’t you made that public yet.and by the way ,you are of the same race as the vandersloots aren’t you.why am I asking?see post 42.in the last article

krieton on
July 16th, 2009 8:12 am

and by the way,greta,you always try to dilute the issue of natalee bieng kidnaped and sold by saying ,oh well ,you know millions of women areb kidnapped and sold each year,like that some how makes it O.K.and by the way greta,in those other million cases there isn’t this much information,there’s no suspects,those cases are not the same as this case.which you seem to convey,and all that evidence you claim to be holding because your working on the case right?nudge ,nudge.wink wink .not all of us as stupid as you think

I haven’t posted in a long time. I just want to remind all, that a young and wonderful child lost her life at the hand of a very sick psychopath, who still roams the earth, looking for another life to devour.

Jerry

Fisherman on
July 18th, 2009 12:25 pm

Just walk by and listen if you got some news.
I’m afraid we’re stacked. PR did not give the solution.

We all know in those last years there came a lot in the picture.
Remember those F-16′s. Why? For Natalee?

Can somebody imagine that Natalee could have gone to Venezuela. Got “mercy”through Chavéz?
The politic of him seems not acceptable for the USA and the Dutch government.

So… give me my daughter back is not that easy.

But it’s the only hope for those who like or love Natalee that she is still alive!
I think the guy in Holland doesn’t or can not give you any answers after all this time.
You have heard what he said.

It seems a sort of game.

May I ask you something?
Why did not anyone visit him. At least talked. Whatever.

hey DEEpak kalpoe.your name will be on a list just like this one.all these numbskulls thought they were too smart ,just like you.yet,here are thier names and thier court documents as well.those can be seen if scaredmonkeys highlight the names in blue.

I am sure as I type the Dutch are investigating away at all the corruption going on in Aruba(yeah right) Over 4 years now and still not one person to come forward to do anything about the lousy investigation, conflicts of interest and noone seeing Natalee ever again since she was last with the 3. It’s been Aruba’s plan all along… from the first few days..lie, delay, drag it out, lie some more..delay, drag it out..until people went away and they could sweep it under the carpet. Paid liars one after the other…Cops coming out lying to people to make everyone think they were working hard looking for Justice for Natalee.. Still noone in Aruba can name one person in Aruba who stood up for Justice for Natalee in the govt or police dept. Paulus Anita Joran and the Kalpoes are still all out enjoying life, while Natalee was robbed of hers.. Heard some 22ish aged boys talking the other night and they were talking about a couple girls that were very drunk.. and some guys they know picked them up because it would be easy to have sex with them in that condition.. the guys told them, they would get lucky.. Ho hmmmmmmm go out a half hour before closing time, 3 of them, and move in on an intoxicated girl and then serve her up one of the strongest drinks in the house on the way out the door(perhaps drugged) so they could put her on the beach…(and pigs fly) everyone knows exactly why they went to pick up an intoxicated girl. Mos (the airhead) said he even found a chat session where they talked about picking up American tourists and what they plan to do to them. I don’t believe for one minute Natalee would’ve consented to anything like that with any of the 3. So Aruba do something you haven’t done in the last 4 years.. work for Natalee the victim, instead of Dompig and his cousins , sons friends, Arlene and her cousin guido, Straten and his friends and godsend.. and tell us why Aruba Spokesman Steve Cohen who said he was briefed all the time on the case told people he expected 2 of the 3 at least to be charged with murder and rape.

We will never forget Natalee.. Oduber.. are you still briefing the parents all the time like you lied and said you were years ago? Natalee is not the only American missing in Aruba that has been treated this way.

krieton on
July 28th, 2009 8:05 pm

Am I to understand,that the american oil company,Velaro is filling tankers with heavy oil IN venezwala,then traveling about 15 minutes to aruba and unloading the oil.so it can be processed and then loading the same oil to be shipped to the U.S.A?if thats the case,then why not shut down the refinery in aruba,and ship the oil tanker directly to the U.S from venezwala.thus saving time and providing americans with much needed jobs,you know?by refining the oil.OH yea they just did that didn’t they.it’s not like we owe aruba any favors.and when is it going to be re-opened you ask?,oh yea ,probably never

krieton on
July 28th, 2009 8:11 pm

So you see aruba,we can be sneaky too,and by the way,thats quite the characteristic trait you people have bien blessed with.WHEN you think carribien or aruba think SNEAKY

Valero now owns the refinery in Aruba. U.S. used it in WWII. I’ve known a lot of Americans who have worked there on and off, mostly high end type employees. We are really the only nation with technical expertise.

The Germans in WWII, once hit the refinery with a round from a submarine.

Natalee wrote that message and I wrote “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”

vhj on
August 2nd, 2009 9:53 pm

of course she didn’t write that ,it’s called appealing to someones conscience

vhj on
August 2nd, 2009 10:08 pm

there is also a battle on craigslist and elsewhere with individuals posting and others following and deleting or having posts removed.my question to you would be,if she’s dead then why bother criuse the net and have those posts removed

vhj on
August 2nd, 2009 10:48 pm

Someone just informed me that some of those posts might have bien removed because of comments attached to the posts,but one in brasilia,I know was removed,I don;t recall having anything but her F.B.I POSTER

I guess we’re not soppose to post her picture or any other details about her in venezwala or any other south american locations,wonder why.

Maggie on
August 11th, 2009 5:13 pm

It’s a big conspiracy,from us here (rolls eyes),Natalee Holloway isn’t in Venezuela living or any other place. If you had any credible pictures or info of Natalee in Venezuela or South America anywhere.. FBI would be all over that in a heartbeat. Here’s a little info that has never changed..

Natalee Holloway was last seen alive in the company of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, and Joran Van Der SLoot.. She has never been seen again,,they gave 22 dif statements about what happened with her that night.. The story never changes when one tells the truth. They allowed to black security guards to sit in jail for murder and kidnapping.. after they framed them.They were prepared to leave them there until Beth seen that Natalee never returned to her hotel to be kidnapped by them. Police still arrested the 2 black men after watching it. Parents were seen on tv and statements lying.. Police were on statements lying, Aruban spokes people on statements lying. First prosecutor goes on a 2 week vacation just a few months after the biggest nightmare to hit the island. Evidence that showed up was lost or turned into something else. No searches of the last 3 with Natalee for 9 days, Sloots house search took almost 3 years later. Conflicts of interest galore, Why is Joran going to get 15 years if they find her? Why is Deepak saying how is the girl doing? Why did Joran say Deepak raped and buried her? Why is Deepak saying Joran raped her? Why do they have chat sessions of the 3 saying they were going to pick up american tourists girls and what they would do with them? Why did Deepak want to throw an investigation off before it was even known Natalee was missing? They went out and moved in on an intoxicated girl for one reason. 3 guys and ONE intoxicated girl…not cool.. Any guy with half a brain when he goes to pick up a girl for a date he makes sure she arrives back home safely, calls someone, etc.. They tried to say Jamie Skeeters doctored his tape, turns out he didn’t..and Jamie SKeeters said Deepak said we did, you would be surprised how simple it was. They know what happened.. probably all got so much on each other its a house of cards..one falls they all go down.. Poor Natalee just went to enjoy her graduation and walked into a nightmare.

Maggie on
August 11th, 2009 5:15 pm

oops I mean why is satish saying how is the girl doing?

Maggie on
August 11th, 2009 5:25 pm

Maybe you can find out who that is talking to Natalee in the casino, since Aruba has dodged the question over and over..When Steve Cohen was asked about it, he said he would check into it and get back with them.. never seen on tv again.. Why was Paulus not in trouble for taking his underage son gambling and drinking and allowing him to do so the next night and allowing him to stay out all night gambling? Why did Deepak tell the guard in jail that Paulus, Joran and them all sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie, before it was even known to the public Natalee was missing?

krieton on
August 11th, 2009 7:41 pm

you seem to miss your own evidence, satish wouldn’t be asking ,hows the girl doing?unless he knew she was alive,why in the world would he ask that if she was dead?

Maggie on
August 13th, 2009 2:35 pm

I am not missing anything.. If as he said he left Natalee and Joran at the beach…knew nothing else about it..why would he be asking how the girl is doing, unless he knew she was in distress. Doesn’t mean she didn’t die.. Technology was used last year that wasn’t available in 2005(so the prosecutor said) and were able to retrieve chat sessions from 2005, they have a chat session of them saying the fact the girl is dead is not good. They also bugged the Kalpoes house and heard them talking about events of that night. Kalpoes are too interested in getting money from Dr. Phil due to him ruining their reputation(give us a break).. After Deepak is saying on his statement.. they would all go out usually Joran and/or Freddie would make the moves on the girl first.. and they have all been in the same room having sex with tourists. What makes that night any dif from those nights? Need a new story, because Natalee lost her life.

As for pictures of Natalee or in south america or venezuela.. FBI has a site online with a number.. if you truly have pics of Natalee anywhere after that night.. contact them.. but I can tell you they don’t exist.. 4 years and not once has any had any credible info of Natalee alive or a picture. There is a reason for that. Figured Aruba didn’t want to close it due to outrage and the fact they would have to turn all the info over to the family of Natalee’s attorneys. Cops on this case were friends of the families or related to the suspects. Natalee isn’t living anywhere. Just a bunch of cold hearted people who think they have the right to end another young person’s life and it’s ok and sit and watch the victims families suffer year after year..

Send your pics to the FBI.

krieton on
August 13th, 2009 7:13 pm

which pics would those be?

krieton on
August 13th, 2009 7:36 pm

the F.b,i will proudly tell that you ,they have no case file for natalee and that they will not be investagating anytime soon.they are only seeking for information,which they then send to aruba.and that only if aruba asks for it.

Maggie on
August 14th, 2009 4:20 pm

krieton on August 5th, 2009 9:36 pm
I guess we’re not soppose to post her picture or any other details about her in venezwala or any other south american locations,wonder why.

krieton on August 13th, 2009 7:13 pm
which pics would those be?

krieton on August 13th, 2009 7:36 pm
the F.b,i will proudly tell that you ,they have no case file for natalee and that they will not be investagating anytime soon.they are only seeking for information,which they then send to aruba.and that only if aruba asks for it.

The FBI wouldn’t PROUDLY tell anyone they have no case file on Natalee.. They know exactly who Natalee Holloway is.. They were in Aruba, but not allowed to participate in much, just sit on the side lines..until they got fed up and came home. Seeking information does not mean , they don’t have a file on Natalee Holloway.. as for what pictures? The ones you mentioned noone would let you post. Not one person has come up with pictures of Natalee Holloway anywhere since the night she disappeared. There is a reason for that. You can also forward any pictures to her family or to their attorneys.

krieton on
August 14th, 2009 9:15 pm

all F.B.I CASES have a file number.if you could please post that number.I’ll be more than happy to retract my statement.

krieton on
August 14th, 2009 9:28 pm

all pictures we have posted are retrieved from other posting on scared monkeys forum,.F.B.I seeking information only site and other chat lines.your assertion that there are claims of her picture since her disappearance are all in your mind,no post has ever made that claim and you can’t make anyone believe that it was,your arguement is completly baseless.the object of posting her picture in places other than the normal places you would find it is to let people who are not familiar with the case have look in there general areas.an Idea that seems to make people uncomfortable

Maggie on
August 16th, 2009 5:01 pm

I guess we’re not soppose to post her picture or any other details about her in venezwala or any other south american locations,wonder why.

You are complaining you can’t post her picture or any other details about her in venezuela or S.A. What are the other details about Natalee there or picture do you mean? If you watched the movie it said they found nothing of Natalee in those countries. People put out so much misinformation on purpose on this case.. just like the note supposedly Natalee wrote to Paulus..and Paulus didn’t turn it over for awhile. Some woman was on here saying Natalee hated her parents.. and so she believed it. There is not one shred of evidence anywhere, that Natalee hated her family. Just like deepak they want to throw off an investigation. I use the word investigation lightly, we all know that is a joke. This case hasn’t progressed one bit since the first week and we know why. All we heard was more lies from the suspects and from Aruba.. and hold your breath.. They couldn’t even bring themselves to use her name Natalee.. It was that girl..the girl, only one girl. Anita even called her only one girl/person.Pathetic..

Read No. 49 on here where it says Joran and his father obtained FBI files and over 1000 pages of Aruban files on the case. Why were the suspects allowed access to the police files? I don’t know the number to any FBI case..What do you think the FBI did with all the info they gathered? Threw it in the trash? Joran and his attorney went to court to fight to keep the FBI out of this investigation.. but it was granted by the judge to let the FBI have access to the files. If Joran was really seeking to find Natalee why would they fight to keep the FBI out of the case? None of them did one thing to help find Natalee..and still haven’t. 9 days at the first if they didn’t know anything, they could’ve help people find her and they were all busy getting together and making up lies, even the parents.. and trying to portray themselves all victims of an 18 year old 110 pound girl and letting 2 innocent men sit in jail for murder and kidnapping. Then, they all hired expensive lawyers and Paulus helped the Kalpoes get lawyers. Who hires a lawyer before you are even suspected of doing anything?

the F.b.i did not not look for natalee at any time. not on aruba and not off aruba.unless someone can show documentation to the contrary.I personaly would love to see it.

bloodhound on
August 20th, 2009 8:11 am

by the way ,the F.B.I does not need aruba’s approval for anything.if one checks with them you will see that they have the power to charge anyone ,anywhere in the world with a crime .if that crime is against an american citizen.

vhj on
August 22nd, 2009 12:06 am

hey ,great news.two new recriuts,both members of a social club.m-13 ,one will be out of prison in two years and another in five.with their help I’m sure we’ll be able to locate natalee.don’t worry dr.kalpoe .I’m sure this will be resolved in the mean time

Marissa on
August 24th, 2009 1:49 pm

I believe someone from Aruba knows something about what happened to Natalee, I hope with them being human and thinking this could’ve been one of their children or a loved one they will have the heart to come forward with the information they know. Even the littlest thing they may have heard or seen that night might could be a lead to finding out more info.
my prayers go out to Natalee & the
friends & family of Natalee Holloway

Marissa D.

Maggie on
August 26th, 2009 5:30 pm

So Joran Van der Sloot is the credible witness that Natalee was sold and in another country… too funny. He also said Deepak raped and buried her.. He left her on the beach and went home.. He had someone throw her in the water not knowing if she was dead or alive. I do believe the seizure part at some point, because Jug and Beth were asked right off if Natalee had a history of seizures.

You are right someone in Aruba knows..more than one someone knows..if you know what I mean.

bloodhound on
August 26th, 2009 5:54 pm

HA-HA. good call post 79.U.S.A OWES aruba nothing.not like their our friends and we should give them a helping hand or anything.Aruba has shown what they think of us,now go beg the chinese for scraps.petro-china INDEAD

it’s time for the U.S government to push a little bit and get this resolved.the idea that the aruban government is able to repel U.S.A’S wishes is redicules.soldiers all over the planet to have our way,but lets coddle aruba,lets give them an undeserved safe haven statis,why, lets go as far as to lure our own citizens there to be harvested by the all important aruban.

vhj on
September 5th, 2009 1:14 am

no need for the people of aruba to worry about GAS and OIL.those were america and allies gift to help you,without natalee those perks are now gone.don’t worry,more punishment coming.you don’t believe? just wait.you were warned months ago and didn’t listen.all what we said has come to pass,like before no government or agency can or will stop us

for the last post.just google his name to see which race he is.HA-HA-HAA

krieton on
September 7th, 2009 9:34 am

here’s a precautionary measure all tourists should take when traveling to aruba.check your rooms for hidden cameras and listening devices.with a criminal government at the helm,they might try to extort you later when you go home.and if your an government official they will hit the jack pot.

bloodhound on
September 7th, 2009 12:16 pm

I guess if that last post makes it’s way around the net,they’ll be no need for an actual organized boycott,which politicains could veto.who wants to go where they bug hotel rooms with hidden cameras and listening devices.I guess if I was a well heeled tourist minister in charge of natalees’s disappearance,I’d be coming up with answers real quik like,in order to stop this.

The last news about Aruba is this crazy thing:
they decided to take only Dutch millionairs!
People who have at least 40.000 euro’s on their acount and so on.
This all is gonna have a large tail, believe me.
Ha ha ha… now the storm is coming!
Last but not least: who was first
… the chicken or the egg?

krieton on
September 14th, 2009 8:34 am

Fake contracts,fake negociations,fake investigations,yes all the pieces are fitting together nicely.hey current aruban government,how about having fake jobs,probably next on your to do list

Whoaaa… what a big mix up here.. YOU KNOW THE FUNNIEST THING IS THAT JORAN V.D. SLOOT IS DUTCH NOW HE LIVES IN EUROPE… SOO THE PROBLEM SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE EUROPEANS TO CAPTURE HIM AS ARUBA AND EUROPE HAS THE SAME LAWS…

_____________________________
SM: His family still lives and works in Aruba. Sloot was always Dutch even when he was living in Aruba. The crime happened in Aruba (klaasend)

Fisherman on
September 19th, 2009 4:05 am

This some people never gonna believe. That The Netherland Government is planning to give The Antillen 2 miljard euros. That is about 3 miljard dollars!
And the message from Aruba is the search of Natalee costed 10 million euros. That is at least 14 million dollar!
You know what I think? That both messages lead to nowhere.
Sleep over it for a night or go daydreaming and try to find the hidden answers.

good morning Mr vandersloot.Your nightmare awaits.shall we begin?remember these words.don’t worry I’m sure the new government will refresh your memory J. VAN DER SLOOT: Hi, dad, how are you?

P. VAN DER SLOOT: I’m all right, you?

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I’m sort of fed up. I can’t stand it any longer.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, hang in there a bit longer. You must keep tough.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I just want it to be over. I don’t care what will happen to me.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: I understand, but too much has happened. You have to be strong.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I do my best, but I really don’t know. I feel rotten.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, you have no choice.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I can come forward and end this.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Yeah, not a good idea, I think. You have to think about us too.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I will do that, but if they find the girl, there is at least proof I didn’t hurt anybody.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: But what you have done is pretty bad. Human trafficking is a serious crime.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I know, but how could I know where all this would lead to?

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, it’s a shame you made certain choices, but there has to be a moment it will stop. Okay? You cannot talk with anyone about this, do you understand?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

bloodhound on
September 26th, 2009 1:30 am

post 118,you the man,always on the ball,hey what was that you said to that clown,doctact a few stories back.oh yea,you said PREPARE FOR ABANDON SHIP PROTOCAL.now I know what you meant,you were talking about what just happened yesterday IN THE ELECTION.again another good call.here’s your actual post. 28.krieton on June 7th, 2009 10:54 pm
if dotratc is the best aruba can muster up?prepare for abandon ship protocal,we havn’t evan begun,these are just samples of whats coming.
glad your here help natalee

bloodhound on
September 26th, 2009 1:34 am

post 118,you the man,always on the ball,hey what was that you said to that clown,doctact a few stories back.oh yea,you said PREPARE FOR ABANDON SHIP PROTOCAL.now I know what you meant,you were talking about what just happened yesterday IN THE ELECTION.again another good call.here’s your actual post. 28.krieton on June 7th, 2009 10:54 pm
if dotratc is the best aruba can muster up?prepare for abandon ship protocal,we havn’t evan begun,these are just samples of whats coming.
glad your here help natalee, krieton.

bloodhound on
September 26th, 2009 10:30 am

I guess the F.B.I will be contacting the new aruban government this coming week so they can get this resovled,RIGHT F.B.I,no point in waiting.weren’t invited before,OK,what about now.

bloodhound on
September 26th, 2009 10:34 am

no point in waiting until the new governments plate is full and this issue gets put on the back burner.HEY U.S GOVERNMENT strike while the windows open,DON’T WAIT,

Fisherman on
September 26th, 2009 10:41 am

I sure do hope that someday we get some more news about Natalee.
But I am afraid that we must have patience.
To remember that you can always play the cards with Windows.
Look, there where so many writers here on Scared Monkeys those first days.
You almost gonna believe we are the last ones who are waiting…
for Natalees first sings.
I do agree… it’s only hope.
But without it nothing stands.

I see on the scared monkey forum that there’s a insistience on natalee being dead.hey everyone vandersloots have only verified one story together.that’s the conversation that was taped by joran and his father.in that conversation paulis vandersloot is the one who says human trafikking is a terrible crime,he says that to joran without joran ever mentioning it.in that conversation.that means he knew before that conversation toke place.I refer you to post 122.all other so called evidence is a bunch of nonsense and here say this is the only piece of uncolaborated evidence.you people have to remember.this didn’t happen in small town U.S.A.where a bunch of college kids were up to thier old antics and something went ary.the people involved here are.number one,underworld crime figure from chicago,his expertise in crime?PROSTITUTION.RUNNIG BROTHELS,COLLECTING GIRLS FROM HOMELESS SHELTERS,GRABING STREET KIDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.just owned the very establishment that natalee was seen with paulis vandersloot just hours before her disappearance.PAULIS VANDERSLOOT a judge in training,with a gambling habit.a group of young men who IDOILIZE PIMPS AND IN FACT hang around with a group that call themsevles the pimps.I could go on and on.

krieton on
October 13th, 2009 8:30 am

I see craigslist is now backtracking after deleting natalee’s postings.post 89 .in which I said her posting was removed for no reason was removed after only 2 days.in that posting they said this post has bien FLAGGED AND DELETED.now if you go back to that post you will see they have changed the reason to ,THIS POST HAS EXPIRED.thats an out right LIE.

krieton on
October 14th, 2009 5:05 am

By the way,on the natalee forum I see some posters talking about the criminals involved as son’s of the elite.and pay phones?ofcourse the payphones wern’t used.the sons of the elite would have cell phones,not thier own ,but the ones they were furnished with that night.now aruba is not a big place so only a small number of cell phones exist there and on a sunday night early monday morning only a few dozen would have in use,checking all cell phone records should not be that difficult and also communication thru portable laptops is also a great possibity,but I guess it’s too difficult for any law enforcement agencies to contemplate and act on this.evan if the cell phones or laptops were registered in a differnt country,would they not still have to use the communication towers within the vicinity?if not then how long would it take check all communication towers in coming and out going communication in the whole area?I don’t believe aruba has a space program,so they don’t have thier own satalite in space,so they must use someone elses satalite for thier communications,so who owns the satalite,I bet it’s a made in america product.so checking all communications should not be that big a deal

krieton on
October 14th, 2009 5:12 am

here’s a big hint for law enforcement.joran vandersloot claimed that when he talked to deepak ,that deepak was talking to his girlfriend ,I believe he was using his laptop to do this,how would joran know unless he to logged in in order to communicate with him

this movie cover does not have natalee holloways picture anywhere.so now people everywhere will think this what see looks like.not helpful for anyone who might run across her.they wouldn’t evan know it’s her or that she’s in need of help.I wonder who’s desicion it was to present that cover in that manner. http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/natalee-holloway.html

krieton on
October 20th, 2009 8:06 pm

I could be wrong on this but didn’t the authorities pick the three suspects up like ten or twelve days after natalee went missing?that means they weren’t questioned in the fist 48 hours of her disappearance,so why would the lead detctive have reason to ask if she had eppilypsy or siezures,he apparrently asked this within the first 48 hours.my next post is an excerpt of what beth holloway said.

krieton on
October 20th, 2009 8:07 pm

Well you’re exactly right there are two different tracks. And one is to stay focused on Joran and his admissions and what the investigators and prosecution can now do with him. But I think the second thing to be faced eventually is we need to get to the bottom of exactly what was transpiring in the first 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance. You know to set aside Joran we have to look at you know we had some stunning revelations that were being admitted from Joran as he was describing them, it couldn’t help but take us back to the very beginning. The first 48 hours after her disappearance where a lead detective asked us only one medical question. And it was does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures, and the answer of course was no. And we didn’t know why that question kept resurfacing during the months of Natalee’s disappearance but I think that our stunning revelation was when Joran admitted that to Patrick, it’s very suspicious. And it’s certainly a red flag that needs to be delved into. There is a reason why this was asked of us and we need to get to the bottom of why. So there are two different tracks but the one I really want to stay focused on right now is Joran and his admissions and as far as delving into what happened in the first 48 hours, that’s just going to be a whole separate ballgame

krieton on
October 20th, 2009 8:17 pm

the only reason he’s asking is because ,natalee was more than likely pretending to be epeliptic in order to be released.if she appeared to be less than perfect her kidnapers might let her go.after all what who wants a slave that has fits all the time.of course that act probably ended once it was confirmed that she in fact didn’t have epellipcy or siezures.then beating and rapes were more than likely the weapons used to make her a obiedient slave.ofcourse the three clowns would now have to integrate the shaking siezure story into thier alibi’s.Again I could be wrong ,but only if the three clowns talked to the police within the first 48 hours,if not ,then the lead detective would have no reason at all to ask that question.CHECK IT OUT

it seems everyone in aruba except the F.B.I and all other law enforcement agengies know how to contact and make deals with the kidnapers and INTERNATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFIKERS.don’t cry about not bien invited,thats a load of crap,it’s not like aruba controls the entire region.and apparently,around 10,000 dollars seems to be the magic number for an aruban to sell their soul. What no agency or group can come up with that to get the inside scoop down there?

Hey,Whats that on the horizon?Holy crap.its a tidal wave,run,RRRUN,yeeha,roundup at the aruba corral.HA-HA-HA-HA.nowhere to run my little buckaroos,Give it try though,come on,run for uncle krieton,HA-HA-HA-HA-HA.COME ON,give each other those terrified looks for our amusement,cavalry on the way

I don’t know why people are discussing AUBA and oil and gas in the same sentence.those dicussions seem to imply that aruba has oil and gas reserves.here’s a map with all oil and gas deposits in the region.no where is there any gas or oil in the aruba territory.this entire exploration discusions are simply a scam to glean money for needless exploration.a way for aruba to cheat oil giants.if anyone can prove me wrong,I’d love to see the proof.anyway ,here’s the link.http://pubs.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/samGzoom.cgi?154,35

krieton on
October 28th, 2009 7:15 pm

if you read post 146 link ,it says”Agents targeted truck stops, CASINOS, street corners and websites as part of their hunt for offenders”.I’ve highlighted casinos for a reason.The same people that run casinos in aruba also operate casinos in the united states.
if they have slaves in the U.S casinos then it stands to reason they kidnap and enslave elsewhere.

krieton on
October 28th, 2009 7:24 pm

hey Greta,you say your holding evidence.I hope to watch you present it to the new government of aruba in the next 48 hours or so.I mean you did say that your working on this case in your spare time,right?no time like the present to get the ball rolling .of course the F.B.I will now be involved now,so they can analyse it for the arubans,Right?

vhj on
October 29th, 2009 8:35 am

Hey,anyone thats visiting aruba,imagine for a minute,tihat you and your loved one is visiting one of the casinos there.everyones laughing and gambling and generally having a good time.there’s show girls ,and food ,the marriaji band is just coming on to the floor,why,it’s just the perfect night.now just one floor below your feet is a prision,biult by felons and convicts and depraved biznessmen,the prison holds your fellow tourists kids.thier crys for help are drowned out by the music the laughing .just imagine that,their smashing thier fist at the ceiling of their cell,just below your feet.Just a thought.for next time you find yourselves in a casino.ANYWHERE

bloodhound on
October 29th, 2009 7:31 pm

post 137 is 100 percent correct,the three suspect were not interviewed in the first 48 hours,therefore the lead detective had no reason to ask if natalee was epeliptic or had siezures.which means he was asking for someone concerned they were getting damaged goods.here’s a posting from scaredmonkeys forum posted today. Regarding Holloway: Investigation of former commissioner completed
26 Okt, 2009, 09:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — The judicial investigation of the actions and integrity of Commissioner Jan van der Straten has been completed. “It is now a question of dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s”, said Ann Angela, spokeswoman of the Prosecution Council.
Angela announced that Attorney General Rob Pietersz had already red through the investigation report, but that he did not wish to dispose of anything regarding the results just yet. “He asks for patience.” The investigation was carried out by order of the Minister of Justice Rudy Croes (MEP), at the urgent request of the Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). Croes had namely declared more than once that he suspected Van der Straten of deliberately hindering the investigation on the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway. The former commissioner had supposedly impeded the investigation in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot to protect his son, main suspect Joran van der Sloot. The former police commissioner had consciously apprehended van der Sloot and two other suspects only ten days after the disappearance. The minister had also stated that Van der Straten had said at the time, “I cannot do this to my friend Paul.” Jan van der Straten has meanwhile retired.

bloodhound on
October 29th, 2009 7:36 pm

they were interviewed ten days after natalee’s disappearance.the lead detective was asking if she had siezures or was epiliptic with in 48 hours after disappearance.no possible way he could have known,unless natalee was faking siezure while a hostage in order to be released .he was sent to verify otherwise

bloodhound on
October 30th, 2009 7:30 pm

hey,unless there are skeletal remains in that cage ,dna evidence of any other kind means nothing.someone could have planted it there to make it look like she’s dead.think about it,DNA evidence without skeletal remains?what? the skeleton just wandered off.

this was the post on craigslist that had aruba scrambling today.FLAGGED AND DELETED .So,now everyone knows what is going to hurt.there is absolutly no misrepresntation of facts,but arubans were crying today weren’t they.any way I’m glad to copy and paste it for everyone to see.on the next post below

vhj on
November 5th, 2009 10:27 pm

Incidents of piracy off the coast of Venezuela remain a concern. Recent attacks have been especially violent, including the murder of a U.S. citizen on his boat in November 2008, and the killing of a French yachter in September. Over 10 attacks on foreign tourists in Venezuelan coastal waters and around Margarita Island have been reported in 2008. Previous violent attacks include the severe beating of a U.S. citizen in 2002, the fatal shooting of an Italian citizen in January 2004, and a machete attack on a U.S. citizen in 2005. U.S. citizen yachters should note that anchoring off shore is not considered safe. Marinas, including those in Puerto la Cruz and Margarita Island (Porlamar), provide only minimal security, and U.S. citizens should exercise a heightened level of caution in Venezuelan waters. Please consult the U.S. Coast Guard web site at http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-o/g-opr/g-opr.htm for additional information on sailing in Venezuela. this excerpt can be found at this web address which is the official government website keep in mind ARUBA is just off the coast of venezuela. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html

krieton on
November 7th, 2009 12:25 am

ofcourse they have power to kill at thier whim,it’s only because you the government allows it.just imagine this for a moment,two or three citizens sitting at thier unfortified biulding in anytown U.S.A are running criminal activity and anyone who doesn’t comply they simply kill.O.K Thats scary.For the average CITIZEN.YOUR THE GOVERNMENT,you have unlimited power.Get these donkeys out of here.Now.why the hell do people like natalee and her family have to jump thru hoops.everyone knows who the culprits are

Sorry about that,you should maybe delete all the posts.considering they make no sense without the first post.post 158,159,160,161 and post 162.you people don’t relize something.this is not a popularty contest.we have to start getting tougher and bieng a certain race doesn’t excempt you from the law.What law?the law that says you can’t take someones kid and sell them for money

you see technicaly,they didn’t kidnap natalee,they purchased her from joran.so,by thier twisted interpertation of this last post they own her for seven years.also about the same number of years it takes in aruba to be excempt from criminal procecution for any broken law.

this defamation lawsuit is not about making any money,although I’m sure they would love it if they got some from it.this lawsuit is about eating time.to stretch or use up enough time to surpass the statutory time limits on procecutable offences in aruba.I’m pretty sure 6 and a half years is the magic number.that comes in just under the jewish ownership of purchased slaves rule,which is seven years,I refer you to post 162.

krieton on
November 16th, 2009 9:37 am

imagine that ,a law desinged to protect slave traders,and this is where the U.S government encourages it’s citizens to go and then washes it’s hands of all responsibility when something goes wrong,evan puts up roadblocks to help the victim.suddenly it’s well you went there ,it’s your problem.

krieton on
November 16th, 2009 9:40 am

imagine that ,a law desinged to protect slave traders,and this is where the U.S government encourages it’s citizens to go and then washes it’s hands of all responsibility when something goes wrong,evan puts up roadblocks to PREVENT help FOR the victim.suddenly it’s well you went there ,it’s your problem.

vhj on
November 17th, 2009 2:18 am

I see the state of alabama has put out a endangered person poster for natalee.Finaly.my concern about this poster is that at the bottom of the poster,there is a alabama phone number,which is great,that means some one besides the F.B.I can be reached with tips on this case.if you look on the other side of this poster,you will see an F.B.I contact number and name of an individual to ask for.NOT VERY HELPFUL.ALABAMA please delete that contact number,WHY?because the F.B.I has had a missing persons poster for almost five years,that poster which can be found on thier website.it has a completly differnt person to contact.why would that be.indifferance to this case perhaps?and another thing,what do the F.B.I do with all or any information they recieve on this case,what is the actual protocal when a tip is recieved?has anyone ever asked them what they do with those tips.the family of natalee need to ask them excactly what they do with those tips,where do they end up?now that the state of alabama considers her a endangered person,all F.B.I files should be transferred to state of alabama,and an aduit of whats bein transpireing in this case at the F.B.I.The reason I say these things is because,I believe that the F.B.I has bein simply sending the ARUBAN athourities ALL TIPS AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY RECIEVE WITHOUT ANY FOLLOW-UP and basicaly indirectly running interfearance in this case for the arubans.The holloway family has every right to get all information on thier daughter that the F.B.I has in thier possesion currently and any information they now don’t have including tips they recieved in the past and sent unchecked to the arubans

vhj on
November 17th, 2009 10:15 am

why am I unable to post the alabama endangered person poster for natalee on this site?

bloodhound on
November 17th, 2009 10:51 am

your right ,that poster from the alabama endangered person with natalee’s picture can’t seem to be able to post here

bloodhound on
November 17th, 2009 11:26 am

this is what appearson the screen ,when trying to post that alabama endangered person link.Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!

krieton on
November 17th, 2009 3:23 pm

for some reason that alabama endangered person poster cannot be posted on scaredmonkeys,so it can be seen at craigslist.com ,in the carribien section ,under general news

krieton on
November 18th, 2009 8:41 am

because alabama now has an active file on natalee holloway.they should now be able to investigate all information availible,including voice analysis of the phone calls between paulis vandersloot and his son ,joran.this information is with greta van susterson of fox news.if confirmed to be athentic.alabama has the right to issue arrest warrants for those two.and also alabama now has the right to contact interpol on this matter.F.B.I needs invitations from criminals to proceed with investigations of crimes against american citizens.I’m pretty sure ALABAMA does not

bloodhound on
November 22nd, 2009 3:49 am

HA-HA-HA,some ones got the right idea.How come organized criminals are getting a free ride?they have hooked up with the government,with thier insistance,our government sends the boys to fight wars and then the criminals stay behind and kidnap ,sexualy assault our girls,why ,they evan have them up for sale for any pervert that has 10 dollars.just because thier a peticular race we have to walk on our tippy-toes?I hope that all parents begin teaching thier children ,how to kill if they are ever kidnaped.that way the kids have at least some chance.is it wrong to tell your kids to kill the kidnapers?I personaly don’t think it is.would I rather have my baby beaten and raped and then sold from one depraved biznessman to the next?No ,I would rather teach her how to kill the hostage takers with simple household items,like extingquishing the gas from a stove with just a glass of water,then placing a candle at the other end of the biulding.or look for rat poision,which is probably in abundance in dingy brothels,once found,put it in as many preditors drinks as possible.to kill as many hostage takers possible.or hide an appliance near the tub,so when a preditor is in it the plugged in appliance can be thrown in to the tub,thus saving the hostages life.or just simply set the biulding on fire,this will result in the fire department arriving,thus saving your life.anyway here’s the latest on craigslist.http://caribbean.craigslist.org/com/1477112536.html

bloodhound on
November 22nd, 2009 4:16 am

it’s time to start teaching our kids how to kill the preditors.why not?we teach our soldiers and thier armed to the teeth,why not safegaurd our kids by teaching them how to kill the criminals that our own govenments cherish,simple household items,like bleech in thier drinks or setting the biulding on fire an blocking the exits,to cause maximum damage to the criminal organization that are enslaving them,these criminals actualy believe that they have a right to what they are doing and our own law enforcement appear to be in agreement with them,well maybe it’s time for average citizen to do what they want.and whats that you ask?protect our kids at any cost,evan if it means killing criminals that the government protects for redicules reasons,like we might need the arubans help against venezwala some day.NOT GOOD ENOUGH.THAT ARGUMENT has bien exploited by the arubans long enough.what?they have unlimited access to our kids because someday we might need thier help?what the venezwalans are that much of a threat?I Don’t think so,allowing criminals to feed off young kids to make money,because we might need thier help one day?YEA right

with these kinds of leaders in joran vandersloots race,it no wonder he’s thinks he’s above all laws,this is the kind of thing he and others like him are taught,thats why he thinks it’s o.k to come on the world stage and make remarks that would put anyone who’s not jewish in jail for life.here’s one of his shining examples.http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/11/18/montreal-surkis-charge.html

krieton on
November 27th, 2009 10:23 pm

PAULIS VANDERSLOOT,GUILTY of MASTERMINDING and orcastraiting,abduction and kidnaping of Natalee holloway,PAULIS VANDERSLOOT,GUILTY,of financing and procuring individuals,for the porposes of commiting a crime against american citizen Natalee holloway.including encouraging and cultivating his own son to commit abduction.PAULIS VANDERSLOOT,OF ARUBA,GUILTY ,OF ABUSING POSITION to pervert normal investigation into crime against Natalee holloway.PAULIS VANDERSLOOT ,guilty of WITHDRAWING MONEY in person or by third party at his request between 3.am -4am from bank machine twice,same night of abduction.

krieton on
November 27th, 2009 10:28 pm

bank machines not only record the amount of money withdrawn,but also video tape person withdrawing.and everyone knows,paulis vandersloots bank card would also have to be present.

krieton on
November 27th, 2009 10:40 pm

Paulis vandersloots passport and bank records,need to be confiscated.also money paid to Paulis vandersloot for false arrest needs to returned,considering,the entire affair was orcastraited to access the aruban treasury,in order to recoup money paid by PAULIS VANDERSLOOT to two POLICE OFFICERS,for thier service of going abroad to confirm,natalee was in fact secured as a slave,

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 6:34 am

So,how much money was withdrawn?

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 6:47 am

paulis vandersloot is giulty.Here’s an excerpt of his interview with police after his so called arrest. “To you question what I can declare with regards to me being
arrested as a suspect of accessory to murder, manslaughter and
robbing someone of their freedom with death as the result, I can
state the following. I find this totally ridiculous and absurd.

To your question what level of ridiculousness this reaches,
I can state the following. I am of the opinion that my arrest
reaches the highest possible levels of ridiculousness and absurdity.

To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th
of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following.
I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday
May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently
I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In
the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran
leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for
the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at
approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.
To your question whether it was difficult to wake up Joran on that
Monday morning, I can state the following. It is always difficult
to wake up Joran.
To your question whether it was more difficult than usual to wake
him up, I can state the following. I had not noticed anything special.

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 7:01 am

paulis vandersloots very first paragraph tells it all in the last post.he was never more truthful.I agree with him.arrested as a suspect of accessory to murder, manslaughter and
robbing someone of their freedom with death as the result, I can
state the following. I find this totally ridiculous and absurd.HA-HA-HA.PAULIS VANDERSLOOT you think your one smart cookie huh?How can you charge some one with these charges?when none of this ever toke place?paulis vandersloot would pass a lie detector test with flying colors if asked anything about murder,or manslaugter or causing death.Why?because paulis vandersloot commited abduction and slavery,thats why.Thats why he was able to access the aruban treasury later in the form of a law suit for false arrest.

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 7:08 am

thus covering some of his investment expenditures.and why not,afterall he’s above all laws.Hey F.B.I ,WAKE-UP,how can People force feed you when always sleeping?

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 8:13 am

by the way,what efforts have bien made by the F.B.I,The U.S government or vansustersun[the one who claims to be witholding evidence from authourities in this case done to get this resolved since the installation of the new government?

krieton on
November 28th, 2009 8:20 am

the bank records will also show if a new bank card was issued to paulis vandersloot after the incident and also if he opened a new account after closing another in order to hide activity

krieton on
November 28th, 2009 8:31 am

there might be something coming soon in this case.I think this because previously unpostable comments on craigslist are now bieng allowed,a big change from the past.I guess it’s now up to paulis vandersloot and company to sue for defamation of character,if he wants them stopped.of course that will mean having to deal with a mountain of evidence which would then Finaly see a court room.taped phone calls and the like.

bloodhound on
November 28th, 2009 8:45 pm

Nelson odeber crying about criminal investigation,WHY? having trouble sleeping at night.nelson? tossing and turning,running to the bathroom to slap cold water on your face,yes prime minister,the vultures are circleing,No-no ,it’s not a dream.it’s all too REAL,have a couple more lines ,that’ll make you feel better,What? now you think someones watching you thru the window?what’s that?they’ve tapped your phone lines?hee-hee-hee.oh yea,almost forgot.here’s his pathitic excerpt from news release interview. Oduber has nothing good to say about the way in Sint Maarten study was done on corporate governance. “People were strangers in bars and asked whether she and the minister knew and whether she had information about. Sheer gossip practices. And on that basis, reports were made. “The former prime minister had no word on the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld (CDA) of Kingdom Relations. “Mrs. Bijleveld lying about the investigation”, said Oduber. He would reign lady on June 22 in Aruba have agreed initially to investigate the rule of law and democracy do. “But now she is a criminal investigation.”

greta van sustersun.I love watching you on t.v and laughing.you made how much money pretending to give a turd about natalee.Now that the time to prove yourself is at hand.your silent.why no comment about Natalee now?what do you think?nobody remembers.evan a small comment from you might re-assure people that you are actualy doing something.your quite change of portfolio has not gone unnoticed.yes we know nancy grace swicthed with you.you gabbing with world leaders and other notables is very interesting,but what about our natalee that you spent so much time on?Now your done?if so,then give your evidence for analysation to the alabama government.and then say goodbye.natalee needs help now,not when you are availible,I will contact the whitehouse on this matter and hopfully have you designated as a dissident or someone to watch for un-american activity.I suspect your a traitor.could be wrong,but don’t think so.RARELY WRONG

krieton on
November 29th, 2009 2:27 am

YOUR SILENCE,falls in line with the aruban directive to not bring this subject up under any circumstance.yes I talking about you greta.I wonder what your phone records will show,