"The world is ours" and the bollox about Mozart and immortality surely hints that Ford has remade himself as a robot - the missing individual from his secret cottage - and sacrificed his human self. Superb box set.

Well, that's confirmed the Bernarnold theory and almost certainly confirmed that Dolores in the present is glitching and retracing her steps. She had no blood on her at all from when Logan stabbed her, which indicates that part - like the memories of Arnold - are in her past.

The Teddy fuzzy memory bit is gonna come back into play, I'm sure. There's no way Wyatt is that random beardy guy and my current theory is that Dolores is gonna be Wyatt and the 'General' she kills will be Arnold.

So this is where we got to by the end of last season, taking my questions from mid-season in the OP

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Right, so here are the current list of fan theories/issues to discuss:

The story is shown across multiple timelines - ConfirmedThe Man in Black is William - ConfirmedBernard is a host - ConfirmedBernard is a host version of Arnold - ConfirmedWhat's the Maze - A means to get the robots sentientThe boards real agenda - Not really confirmedWhat is Ford actually up to - Helping the robots become sentient

New ones for the next season:

Is Westworld set on another planet?What happened to the bint who went missing?Will there be other world's outside of Westworld and Samurai World?Now that the show has hit its straps, and no longer has to reel in new customers, will see a significant reduction in the amount of tits on show?

Season 2 premier was as boring as fudge. Way too many melodramatic monologues.Hope it improves.

Scene setting, like the start of the first season. And like Game of Thrones when it starts up a new season, when you've got so many narrative strings, and you have to give each one a little time, it takes the steam out of the story. The reviews for the first half of the season are big however, and all say that when it gets into its stride it's top notch:

My only issue was that there were a few too many knowing in-references. Yes, we get it, it's a game to the Man in Black, and yes, we get it, there's a tonne of irony in the robots now spouting back the lines used to control them back at the humans.

I missed this previously - the creators promised to release a 25 minute video spoiling the whole season as a counter measure for leaks etc. Their stated theory was that if they put everything out there, there won't be any interest in other spoilers and anyone who is interested can just watch it.

Is anyone else finding this season a bit... boring? Ridiculously overpowered cyborgs versus incompetent human security and too many time-jumps. Over and over and over.

Yeah - finding it about as stimulating as an evening playing Top Trumps: Old Man Penis edition...

I was thinking about that scene where the human was escaping Dolores et al and is running down the corridor. He gets through the door, sees the maintenance man and security guard and just stops running to tell them about how a horde of rabid hosts have gone rogue. It requires such a suspension of disbelief that the guy wouldn't just be screaming about the danger and keep running. It's like that thing Ebert talked about where the only way the plot works is if everyone becomes really stupid, but the hosts are brilliant and make only good decisions.

Yeah. It's starting to stretch credutily. Although I suppose all the people in the park are supposed to be monied up luvvies, so acting like complete idiots when presented with a dose of reality may not be beyond the realms.

My problem is that the show is starting to suffer from Lost-itis, that Is, showing us back story that adds absolutely fuckall. Unless the flashback pushes the present story along, what's the point of it? It's just more window dressing and scene setting, which just starts to grate after a while.

Is anyone else finding this season a bit... boring? Ridiculously overpowered cyborgs versus incompetent human security and too many time-jumps. Over and over and over.

Yeah - finding it about as stimulating as an evening playing Top Trumps: Old Man Penis edition...

I was thinking about that scene where the human was escaping Dolores et al and is running down the corridor. He gets through the door, sees the maintenance man and security guard and just stops running to tell them about how a horde of rabid hosts have gone rogue. It requires such a suspension of disbelief that the guy wouldn't just be screaming about the danger and keep running. It's like that thing Ebert talked about where the only way the plot works is if everyone becomes really stupid, but the hosts are brilliant and make only good decisions.

Just too portentous for me - it was a cracking little B movie idea stretched out of all proportion...

I watched the first episode last night and whilst I didn't find it boring I definitely had the MiBs about it and thought it strange that a bunch of cowboy robots in spurs and using 1800s style weapons were able to get the jump on professional and military trained soldiers operating on their home turf. Fun though.

Honest to Christ I have no idea what is going on in this series. Admittedly I've never been that into it to try and think hard about the plot(s) and read up on fan theories. I only really watch it now as one of a few things to justify keeping my NowTV subscription going until Game of Thrones resumes.

Finally got round to watch the latest episode. Still suffering from the same sort of issues. One problem I think is that the writers incorrectly believe that we've now invested in the characters enough that we'll watch them do any old shite (as opposed to being drawn in by the mysteries). I'm struggling to understand Delores' story path. She seems hell bent on saving the robots, and fighting the humans...but if she sacrifices the robots at the rate she's doing, there'll only be her left by the end of the season.

I'm also not sure what's happening to Bernard. It looked like he'd fixed himself in that underground bunker, but by the end of this episode he was back to shaking like a shitting dog. There's a not a lot of coherence there, and although there's always an outcry that we're all smart enough and we don't want to be spoon-fed plots...sometimes you do need a character who's only job is exposition to explain what the fudge is going on.

I thought it was a Japanese samurai hurtling towards the group at the end of the show.

On a personal geeky/nerdy issue, I'm somewhat puzzled by the geography of the park (and it's ultimately location). I was convinced at one of the big reveals would be that this was on an alien planet, but I'm not so sure now. This season suggested that Westworld is on an island, and having rewatched the first season, throwaway line from Anthony Hopkins states that "we killed all the animals on this planet, so we made new ones", or words to that effect.

Lastly, last season seemed to intimate that it would take days and days to cross the entire park (on horseback) it was so big, yet people seem to be getting to the edge of it with great ease, on foot, this season.

Finally got round to watch the latest episode. Still suffering from the same sort of issues. One problem I think is that the writers incorrectly believe that we've now invested in the characters enough that we'll watch them do any old shite (as opposed to being drawn in by the mysteries). I'm struggling to understand Delores' story path. She seems hell bent on saving the robots, and fighting the humans...but if she sacrifices the robots at the rate she's doing, there'll only be her left by the end of the season.

I'm also not sure what's happening to Bernard. It looked like he'd fixed himself in that underground bunker, but by the end of this episode he was back to shaking like a shitting dog. There's a not a lot of coherence there, and although there's always an outcry that we're all smart enough and we don't want to be spoon-fed plots...sometimes you do need a character who's only job is exposition to explain what the fudge is going on.

With Bernard I assumed something got cracked when he got bumped on the noggin' and since then he's been leaking whatever fluid it is they've got their "brains" suspended in. He gave himself an emergency transfusion from the host in the bunker but is still leaking and is about due for another dose. Makes for good zombie fodder if he ends up picking off hosts one by one for their brain juice I suppose.

All in all the show could do with a lot more coherence at the moment, or someone to give it a bit more gravitas for Thandie Newton or Ed Harris to play against.

Finally got round to watch the latest episode. Still suffering from the same sort of issues. One problem I think is that the writers incorrectly believe that we've now invested in the characters enough that we'll watch them do any old shite (as opposed to being drawn in by the mysteries). I'm struggling to understand Delores' story path. She seems hell bent on saving the robots, and fighting the humans...but if she sacrifices the robots at the rate she's doing, there'll only be her left by the end of the season.

I'm also not sure what's happening to Bernard. It looked like he'd fixed himself in that underground bunker, but by the end of this episode he was back to shaking like a shitting dog. There's a not a lot of coherence there, and although there's always an outcry that we're all smart enough and we don't want to be spoon-fed plots...sometimes you do need a character who's only job is exposition to explain what the fudge is going on.

With Bernard I assumed something got cracked when he got bumped on the noggin' and since then he's been leaking whatever fluid it is they've got their "brains" suspended in. He gave himself an emergency transfusion from the host in the bunker but is still leaking and is about due for another dose. Makes for good zombie fodder if he ends up picking off hosts one by one for their brain juice I suppose.

All in all the show could do with a lot more coherence at the moment, or someone to give it a bit more gravitas for Thandie Newton or Ed Harris to play against.

Yeah, there's definitely a massive Anthony Hopkins shaped hole left in the acting. I was hoping that the annoying British art director chap would have been the first to have been killed, but sadly, they seem to be making him central to the plot.

Ahhh that was one of the better episodes from either season. I was utterly enthralled the whole time. Maybe because it didn't feature Dolores.

MiB is an utter, utter bad ass.

Yeah, was going to post similar. At last, a cracking episode. Answered a lot of questions, and goes back to discussions on the page back about how surely Hopkins is going to return after 3D printing himself, and now has the means to install his mind

Ahhh that was one of the better episodes from either season. I was utterly enthralled the whole time. Maybe because it didn't feature Dolores.

MiB is an utter, utter bad ass.

Yeah, was going to post similar. At last, a cracking episode. Answered a lot of questions, and goes back to discussions on the page back about how surely Hopkins is going to return after 3D printing himself, and now has the means to install his mind

Given William's actions towards the Delos host and the general theme of rebellion, I figure Bernard may have something to do with preventing that happening.

Ahhh that was one of the better episodes from either season. I was utterly enthralled the whole time. Maybe because it didn't feature Dolores.

MiB is an utter, utter bad ass.

Yeah, was going to post similar. At last, a cracking episode. Answered a lot of questions, and goes back to discussions on the page back about how surely Hopkins is going to return after 3D printing himself, and now has the means to install his mind

Given William's actions towards the Delos host and the general theme of rebellion, I figure Bernard may have something to do with preventing that happening.

Ahhh that was one of the better episodes from either season. I was utterly enthralled the whole time. Maybe because it didn't feature Dolores.

MiB is an utter, utter bad ass.

Yeah, was going to post similar. At last, a cracking episode. Answered a lot of questions, and goes back to discussions on the page back about how surely Hopkins is going to return after 3D printing himself, and now has the means to install his mind

Given William's actions towards the Delos host and the general theme of rebellion, I figure Bernard may have something to do with preventing that happening.

No shit

However the divegent timelines are awesome and frustrating

Yeah, the timelines are frustrating at times.

I'm still not sure however why William is still taking partaking in the resurrection of Delos the elder. He seems to have gained full control of the company. What does he possibly have to gain in fulfilling that particular mission. He'd surely be better set in trying to sabotage it at every turn.