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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comFri, 09 Dec 2016 15:19:17 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: BonerNsweatpantshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723898
Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:51:51 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723898Vox-
“McD isn’t a bad coach, but he’s not the right guy for a head coaching job because of his attitude. He couldn’t manage the egos of superstars like Cutler and Marshall so he got rid of them. What kind of moron deactivates OFFENSIVE playmakers (Scheffler and Marshall) during the playoff push just to teach a lesson? And what did Scheffler and Marshall even do? McD wants to be a big shot but he’s just a chump and will be a chump until he earns the respect of players and coaches around the league… by winning. His past actions may be setbacks for potential free agent signings.”
He has signed everyone they have gone after and the players love his passion and no one can question he knowledge of the game. And Scheffler wasn’t Dallas Clark or Jason Witten he is a tight end with above average speed that caught a few passes under Shanahan’s system. But I would would compare Scheffler to a guy like Jeb Putzier. He is a great guy, does great under Shanny’s system but never did anything amazing with another team or system.
Everyone compares Cutler and Orton but they compare what they did the same season different teams. If I remember right they were traded for each other and Orton was a Bear before a Bronco and Cutler was a Bronco before he was a Bear so compare there seasons with the same team.
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Orton 2009: Completions-336 Attempts-541 Yards-3802 %-62.1 YPA-7.03 TD’s-21 INT’s-12 Sacked-29 QB rating-86.8
Cutler 2008: Completions-384 Attempts-616 %-62.3 Yards-4526 YPA-7.3 TD’s-25 INT’s-18 QB rating-86.0
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Orton 2008: Completions-272 Attempts-465 %-58.5 Yards-2972 YPA-6.4 TD’s-18 INT’s-12 QB rating-79.6
Cutler 2009: Completions-336 Attempts-555 %-60.5 Yards-3666 YPA-6.6 TD’s-27 INT’s-26 QB rating-76.8
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To me they look like they did about the same but Orton upped him both years here in comparison. So I don’t know if it was really that big of a deal to get rid of Cutler and only time will tell if it was really that big of a deal to get rid of Marshall. You never know we might have a better offense this year without throwing to Marshall more than half the time. I love BMarsh and hope he does well in Miami but I don’t think he was bigger than the team like he and some fans tend to believe.
]]>By: VoxVaginahttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723897
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:53:22 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723897@Al Davis
Are you retarded? Eddie Royal was trash last year because Orton is a game manager. Cutler was able to hit Royal on longer plays. Orton did not do that because all he had to do was look Marshall’s way and see him open. Orton can’t throw deep and take advantage of Royal’s speed. He could be a good deep threat and slot receiver but that’s only if you have a QB who throws more than check down passes. Royal has deep speed, but he’s not physical enough to get open on quick patterns for Orton which is why I’m telling you he’s a number 2 receiver . Marshall was able to get open quickly on short and intermediate routes, and that’s why he produced. And I was not talking about their defensive playmakers dipshit. Their defense is alright, it’s their offense that doesn’t scare anyone. If you could read at all you could have seen that. McD isn’t a bad coach, but he’s not the right guy for a head coaching job because of his attitude. He couldn’t manage the egos of superstars like Cutler and Marshall so he got rid of them. What kind of moron deactivates OFFENSIVE playmakers (Scheffler and Marshall) during the playoff push just to teach a lesson? And what did Scheffler and Marshall even do? McD wants to be a big shot but he’s just a chump and will be a chump until he earns the respect of players and coaches around the league… by winning. His past actions may be setbacks for potential free agent signings.
]]>By: allinSTACKmehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723896
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:15:22 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723896@ dare2bme & CUJO:
Very well said
]]>By: CUJOhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723895
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:22:40 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723895As a Bronco fan I love the fact that everyone is counting us out. Love it. Call us crap. Say our coach is stupid. Say one player makes a team and if he goes down the team goes down. Lovin’ it.
It will be sweeter when we win on Sundays. Those victories carry you through the week. But if you are a Chargers fan or a Jets fan– if you lose– those losses will hang with you day after day.
It’s a new beginning in Denver and personally I’m happy to get a positive future QB in Tebow than a lackluster quitter like Cutler. I would rather watch out first round (Calvin Johnsonesque) WR D. Thomas grow than root for a woman beater in B. Marsh.
The future looks bright and it may shine on Denver this year. No one knows.
]]>By: florios_momhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723894
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:51:49 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723894Moe Lester you are an idiot for making that bottom feeder statement. Simply dumb.
]]>By: dare2bmehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723893
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:35:26 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723893I’d just like to add that if you’re a Bronco fan, you root for a team that has had just 5 losing seasons since 1977. 5! Only 5! Chill out already!
]]>By: dare2bmehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723892
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:33:55 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723892I don’t understand.
Injuries in training camp aren’t the coaches’ fault. If they are any coach’s fault, they are Tuten’s, and the nature of the injuries to Dumervil and Moreno are the only ones that could have possibly been prevented with conditioning.
Since so many people are waiting for the last I will ignore the first 6 games of last season and say that the Broncos went 2-8 in a shortened season last year. We’ll call that the ignorant handicap. Is that, in some way, worse than all of the .500 seasons of hope under Shanahan? I don’t think it is. Did we get worse in any facet of the game, yes. What facet’s you ask?
We got worse in 2009 vs 2008 in the following:
Third Down Conversion: 78/215 vs. 95/200
Total Yards from Scrimmage: 5463 vs 6333
Yards per play: 5.32 vs 6.2
Sacks given up: 34 vs 12
Touchdowns: 34 vs 42
But, we got better in plenty of areas as well:
TOP: 30:11 vs 28:43
First Down’s allowed: 290 vs 327
Third Down Conversion Allowed: 81/218 vs 89/202
Yards Allowed: 5040 vs 5993
Rushing Yards Allowed: 2059 vs 2337
Sacks: 39 vs 26
Turn Over Ration: +7 vs -17
Neither of those lists is all inclusive. But I think it’s a good indication of us going in the right direction. All of this with a harder schedule! Why are people so down on this team? My assertion is that the McSmack is because of popular opinion – and no fact.
Are the Broncos a flawed team? Absolutely! Have they become a worse team than they were under Shanahan? No, they haven’t. They’ve become a different team. Gone away from Zone Blocking, left the 4-3 for the 3-4 and made some other major changes. We ALWAYS gave Shanny years to school a new QB in his system. We bought into the idea that Plummer would throw less picks, that Griese was going to be Bob, that TD was the personification of a perfect running system, that all the other backs running for 1k meant they ALL could. Well, we’re one year in to the McD way – give it some freaking time. What was Shanny’s record his first season in Denver? 8-8, same as McD, and Shanny had a guy named Elway.
For all the people upset that we got rid of Cutler, Marshall and Sheffler – it’s time to get over it or root for their teams. For those upset that the team went 2-8 in the last 10 games, your complaint is legit, but this is a new season. You’re a fan. Any money you had vested in their success is lost – move on to this year. If you didn’t have money vested, isn’t it over already?
Be a Bronco fan, be a hater, I honestly don’t give a shit. Just don’t be a hater disguised as a fan. This team may be 10-6 or 6-10 this year, but there’s plenty to build on in Dove Valley and plenty of hope surrounding this team.
]]>By: dare2bmehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723891
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:31:11 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723891I don’t understand.
Injuries in training camp aren’t the coaches’ fault. If they are any coach’s fault, they are Tuten’s, and the nature of the injuries to Dumervil and Moreno are the only ones that could have possibly been prevented with conditioning.
Since so many people are waiting for the last I will ignore the first 6 games of last season and say that the Broncos went 2-8 in a shortened season last year. We’ll call that the ignorant handicap. Is that, in some way, worse than all of the .500 seasons of hope under Shanahan? I don’t think it is. Did we get worse in any facet of the game, yes. What facet’s you ask?
We got worse in 2009 vs 2008 in the following:
Third Down Conversion: 78/215 vs. 95/200
Total Yards from Scrimmage: 5463 vs 6333
Yards per play: 5.32 vs 6.2
Sacks given up: 34 vs 12
Touchdowns: 34 vs 42
But, we got better in plenty of areas as well:
TOP: 30:11 vs 28:43
First Down’s allowed: 290 vs 327
Third Down Conversion Allowed: 81/218 vs 89/202
Yards Allowed: 5040 vs 5993
Rushing Yards Allowed: 2059 vs 2337
Sacks: 39 vs 26
Turn Over Ration: +7 vs -17
Neither of those lists is all inclusive. But I think it’s a good indication of us going in the right direction. All of this with a harder schedule! Why are people so down on this team? My assertion is that the McSmack is because of popular opinion – and no fact.
Are the Broncos a flawed team? Absolutely! Have they become a worse team than they were under Shanahan? No, they haven’t. They’ve become a different team. Gone away from Zone Blocking, left the 4-3 for the 3-4 and made some other major changes. We ALWAYS gave Shanny years to school a new QB in his system. We bought into the idea that Plummer would throw less picks, that Griese was going to be Bob, that TD was the personification of a perfect running system, that all the other backs running for 1k meant they ALL could. Well, we’re one year in to the McD way – give it some freaking time. What was Shanny’s record his first season in Denver? 8-8, same as McD, and Shanny had a guy named Elway.
For all the people upset that we got rid of Cutler, Marshall and Sheffler – it’s time to get over it or root for their teams. For those upset that the team went 2-8 in the last 10 games, your complaint is legit, but this is a new season. You’re a fan. Any money you had vested in their success is lost – move on to this year. If you didn’t have money vested, isn’t it over already?
Be a Bronco fan, be a hater, I honestly don’t give a shit. Just don’t be a hater disguised as a fan. This team may be 10-6 or 6-10 this year, but there’s plenty to build on in Dove Valley and plenty of hope surrounding this team.
]]>By: TheRealARodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723890
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:24:18 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723890@Al Davis
Your right Scheffler has done nothing….I guess his 2008 season (last season with Shannahan) where he had almost 50 catches for over 600 yards was meaningless.
If you would have actually read what I wrote about Urlacher and Merriman you would have seen that I said ranking them in the top 10 was the biggest lie I have ever seen in my life, not that that’s where I put them.
Orton may have outplayed Cutler last season, I can give you that, but you aren’t taking into consideration that Cutler was on a new team with ZERO weapons. When Cutler was on the Broncos he was emerging as a clear cut, top notch quarterback playing with Marshall and Royal (also of Royal don’t think the fact the brought in a new QB didn’t affect how he performed last year)
So yes, I do like instant gratification when you are dealing with a coach who decided to gut the team and rebuild when he was handed a Pro Bowl quarterback, and a top 5 WR in the entire league. Maybe the Colts should trade Peyton Manning next year and draft Jake Locker because as long as Locker turns out ok it’s a smart move right now…..
]]>By: jebdamonehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723889
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:16:32 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723889this is just dumb…put the guy on IR
]]>By: jcdaveyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723888
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:06:17 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723888doom will be back right in time for that annual denver chokejob in the 2nd half of the season
i thought that was just a cutler thing, but apparently it wasn’t
]]>By: Al Davis' 40 Timehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723887
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:59:35 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723887@ARod
Don’t you give Scheffler any credit, he’s done absolutely nothing in this league but spend time in the trainers office.
Brian Urlacher and Shawne Merriman top 10 LBS? This is not 2007 buddy.
Yes, Cutler was a Pro Bowl QB, but that’s hardly a measuring stick for greatness. Orton did just as well as Cutler did last season, if not better.
The problem you have is one with instant satisfaction. You don’t have the patience to see if a move actually works out, you feel the need to bash it from the start. I guess it’s probably from all seasons in Madden that you simulated.
The Broncos will miss Brandon Marshall if Thomas and Decker don’t work out. Marshall was a ball hog (not his doing, McDs and Shannys) so it will be interesting to see the numbers he puts up if the offense in MIA is distrubted more evenly.
Bottom line: They play the game for a reason, and it’s not to hear your expert opinion on the matter.
]]>By: robert ethenhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723886
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:55:26 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723886Bowlen did some house cleaning and threw out an old stinking Rat. The team and the town are both better for that.
]]>By: Al Davis' 40 Timehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723885
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:45:16 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723885Yeah Eddie Royal needs Brandon Marshall, because he did so much for him last year. I was unaware that McD stripped the team of Champ Bailey and Elvis Dumervil as well. Thanks for the info Vox.
]]>By: TheRealARodhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723884
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:42:25 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723884@VoxVagina
I’m a little upset you posted that because it is almost exactly word for word what I was going to write. Brandon Marshall is a top 5 WR in the league already, so saying they don’t need him may be the biggest lie I’ve ever heard in my life (beside a previous post I read earlier today that had Brian Urlacher and Shawne Merriman ranked in the top 10 LBs in the game…..). Cutler, for all the knocks he gets for turning the ball over, was a young up and coming Pro Bowl quarterback who has been replaced by the same guy who struggled to beat out Rex Grossman in Chicago, and Scheffler may not have been the best, but he was another solid, young recieving TE. The Broncos have done nothing but make the wrong moves since McDaniels took over, aside from bringing in Mike Nolan to run the defense……oh wait nvm
]]>By: VoxVaginahttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723883
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:34:53 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723883@Boner
McDaniels has stripped the team of its most talented playmakers in the last 2 years. The Broncos were better on D, yes, but you can thank Brian Dawkins and Mike Nolan (who was dismissed after this season). Not to mention Elvis Dumervil was a force. Their offense doesn’t scare anyone. Demaryus Thomas is a good deep receiver but the Broncos don’t have a QB with a big arm. They have 2 game managers in Orton and Quinn and an overhyped career backup in Tebow. Eddie Royal is a number 2 receiver who needs a Brandon Marshall type of receiver to draw double coverage so he can succeed. Knowshon Moreno is alright but to make him a legit threat, the Broncos need the other pieces on offense… except they traded all of their weapons away. The Chargers are running away the division this year and the Raiders will push for a wild car, while the Broncos will do… nothing. 8-8 would be a milestone with this weak roster
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Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:34:07 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723882Broncos will be fine and Doom will play a big part in their long playoff run. The Year After The Year After The Last Year Of The Rat will be a success.
]]>By: rxhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723881
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:50:38 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723881Word, BroncFanOR, word.
]]>By: BonerNsweatpantshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723880
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:40:14 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723880Why do people just hate McDaniels when we won 8 games last year and how many games have we won in recent years? Seriously, we turned the ball over a lot less and had a lot more takeaways than under the late Shanahan era. I think we looked better on defense and could actually stop some teams unlike under Shanahan we would let anyone and everyone run all over us. Our defense looks like they have made some great improvements and the offense looks to be a lot more in sync then they ever were last training camp. Look at the schedule and tell me you don’t think the Broncos will be a .500 team at the least. They will be close to the division lead this year but who knows who will win the west. Everyone but the Chiefs this year have a chance in my opinion. And for the players he traded, we don’t need BMarsh and we definitely don’t need Cutler and who gives a crap about Scheffler. He got what he could out of those guys and drafted players with good character and potential. Don’t be surprised when the Broncos do well this season. The schedule is a lot easier than last year when I do believe they had one of the hardest ranked schedules in the league.
]]>By: Moe Lesterhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723879
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:34:52 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723879BrocFanOr..wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
Mediocre isn’t acceptable..but its a far cry better than being a pathetic laughing stock and one of the worst looking teams in the NFL right now. You guys are now in the same realm as Oakland and Detroit of recent years..and unfortunately both of those teams look far better than Denver now.
Shanahan being mediocre is no excuse for McDaniels being one of the biggest busts at Head Coach in NFL history. Guy is a joke.
]]>By: BroncFanOrhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723878
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:12:17 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723878Waaaa, McDaniels has ruined the team. Waaa, the broncos will be bottom feeders. Waaa, McDaniels kicked my dog.
God you people are pathetic.
Perhaps you morons have forgotten Denver has done NOTHING for the past 6 seasons.
But i guess as long as it was Shanahan missing the playoffs and being mediocre was acceptable.
You people make me sick.
]]>By: VegasBroncohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723877
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:07:38 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723877Klis is just stirring the negative pot.
We know Elvis is out 4-5 months, thats all but two games.
NAH, he may be PUP but look for IR.
]]>By: Moe Lesterhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723876
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:03:34 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723876and december will be an important time as ever for him to come back. They will really need him to get that first win before the season is over.
]]>By: AbeFreshlyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723875
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:39:00 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723875This makes no sense. He will not be the same player when he gets back. It will take him an entire offseason to get his strength back. It will be more likely that he gets injured again if he comes back from a torn pec & tries to play.
Just shut him down.
]]>By: My_Dixie_wreckedhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723874
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:51:53 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723874Broncos will be bottom feeders. McDaniels has ruined this team…… Oh well Elvis.. Enjoy that huge contract on IR
]]>By: Poo Flinging Monkeyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723873
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723873So they’re going to tie up a roster spot on the chance that Dumervil can return by week 14 or 15? Why? The Broncs will be 4-10 if they’re lucky.
]]>By: Marcinik07http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/dumervil-expected-back-this-season/#comment-723872
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:33:32 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=79470#comment-723872Wishful thinking. Not like they will be in the postseason.
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