Not sure taking on a potential project recruit, with your last 17 scholarship, helps him win next year, and frankly, the following year.

As it is now, we have trouble finding minutes for kids like Naz. If everyone is back, we add Pierce to the mix of bigs next season. I don’t think this kid needs to contribute next year (or even the year after) to have a successful career at PSU.

Looked to me like his shooting form was getting a little better in the later tape - less of a two-handed set. He has a lot of room to get it off in just about all those in the clip, and he’ll need that in the B1G.

Interesting on the possible Parkhill connection. Paging @djones … I think you have Bruce’s cell. He looks like a classic Parkhill recruit, and I mean that in the best, Hovasse-ian way.

I believe PC thinks this group can win next year without substantial reinforcements. Others will disagree.

We should start hearing soon about 2018. Love Dread, expect some quality others to join.

Looked to me like his shooting form was getting a little better in the later tape - less of a two-handed set. He has a lot of room to get it off in just about all those in the clip, and he’ll need that in the B1G.

Interesting on the possible Parkhill connection. Paging @djones … I think you have Bruce’s cell. He looks like a classic Parkhill recruit, and I mean that in the best, Hovasse-ian way.

I believe PC thinks this group can win next year without substantial reinforcements. Others will disagree.
We should start hearing soon about 2018. Love Dread, expect some quality others to join.

At this time last year, the posters on this board were clamoring for Washington, Davis, and Samuel playing a large role in this year’s rotation. Hasn’t happened. Chambers went out and successfully recruited over them to bring better players. It has to happen for this program to turn the corner. There are plenty of minutes next year for a shooter to step in and take time away from Samuel, Bostick, and/or Banks. Easily getting 8-10 minutes a game. If they already know someone is leaving, then I can see rolling the dice on Buttrick, knowing they have another ship to give out in the Spring signing/grad transfer period to fill this role.

So after watching some tape of him here, because like the rest of you I’d never heard of him before, I’m pretty impressed. The kid has legit handles and seems to be an actual basketball player… not just a tall kid who we can throw out there and ask him to figure out basketball along the way.

Will his game translate at the next level? Who knows, but there’s no question he HAS game. Nice shooting touch, some nice blocks and dunks. I can totally see why we offered this kid based on what I’m looking at, I see a kid who absolutely looks like he can contribute here.

If Parkhill played a role in identifying Buttrick…this verbal is intriguing. However, at this time, Buttrick’s shot seems to be very Sssslllloooowwww. He may not be able to get too many of these wide open…take unlimited amount of time shots in the BIG.

Looked to me like his shooting form was getting a little better in the later tape - less of a two-handed set. He has a lot of room to get it off in just about all those in the clip, and he’ll need that in the B1G.

Interesting on the possible Parkhill connection. Paging @djones … I think you have Bruce’s cell. He looks like a classic Parkhill recruit, and I mean that in the best, Hovasse-ian way.

I believe PC thinks this group can win next year without substantial reinforcements. Others will disagree.
We should start hearing soon about 2018. Love Dread, expect some quality others to join.

At this time last year, the posters on this board were clamoring for Washington, Davis, and Samuel playing a large role in this year’s rotation. Hasn’t happened. Chambers went out and successfully recruited over them to bring better players. It has to happen for this program to turn the corner. There are plenty of minutes next year for a shooter to step in and take time away from Samuel, Bostick, and/or Banks. Easily getting 8-10 minutes a game. If they already know someone is leaving, then I can see rolling the dice on Buttrick, knowing they have another ship to give out in the Spring signing/grad transfer period to fill this role.

Your taking away minutes form Banks as a shooter? If anything, I think Banks is the type of guy that might grad transfer out of PSU to a big time program. He has proven this year he can shoot the 3 ball. Can play inside or outside. Would be a really nice grad transfer pick up for a major Top 10 program to have on the team to come off the bench and provide some shooting/scoring for 15-18 minutes per game. If Banks wants to try to win a National Championship, I could see him moving.

Carr/Watkins/Stevens were all 4 star guys out of high school, big time prospects. We all hope Buttrick becomes the greatest scorer in PSU history, but as of now, he is not in those guys league with respect to looking like a player that is going to come in a start from Day one.

Looked to me like his shooting form was getting a little better in the later tape - less of a two-handed set. He has a lot of room to get it off in just about all those in the clip, and he’ll need that in the B1G.

Interesting on the possible Parkhill connection. Paging @djones … I think you have Bruce’s cell. He looks like a classic Parkhill recruit, and I mean that in the best, Hovasse-ian way.

I believe PC thinks this group can win next year without substantial reinforcements. Others will disagree.
We should start hearing soon about 2018. Love Dread, expect some quality others to join.

At this time last year, the posters on this board were clamoring for Washington, Davis, and Samuel playing a large role in this year’s rotation. Hasn’t happened. Chambers went out and successfully recruited over them to bring better players. It has to happen for this program to turn the corner. There are plenty of minutes next year for a shooter to step in and take time away from Samuel, Bostick, and/or Banks. Easily getting 8-10 minutes a game. If they already know someone is leaving, then I can see rolling the dice on Buttrick, knowing they have another ship to give out in the Spring signing/grad transfer period to fill this role.

Your taking away minutes form Banks as a shooter? If anything, I think Banks is the type of guy that might grad transfer out of PSU to a big time program. He has proven this year he can shoot the 3 ball. Can play inside or outside. Would be a really nice grad transfer pick up for a major Top 10 program to have on the team to come off the bench and provide some shooting/scoring for 15-18 minutes per game. If Banks wants to try to win a National Championship, I could see him moving.

Carr/Watkins/Stevens were all 4 star guys out of high school, big time prospects. We all hope Buttrick becomes the greatest scorer in PSU history, but as of now, he is not in those guys league with respect to looking like a player that is going to come in a start from Day one.

Banks has attempted 234 shots this year, with 164 coming from 3. He hasn’t, nor has he ever, shown an ability/willingness to play “inside”. No, shooting 38% from 3 doesn’t make him a proven shooter that a team competing for a national championship would look at and overlook his lack of finishing around the rim, rebounding, passing, and defense. He has already lost minutes/starting spot this year to the freshmen, why wouldn’t that trend continue next year??

I remember when Chris Babb committed. I think he had offers from PSU and Iowa State. Some here saw the competition he faced and assumed he was putting up big numbers because he was playing against such inferior competition. Then he ended up in the NBA.

Sometimes coaches see something the rest of us don’t. There are 13 scholarships and usually only 9 or 10 in the regular rotation at most. He’ll have time to develop. We need shooting and we need size. Trent seems to offer both. We’ll see what happens.

Looked to me like his shooting form was getting a little better in the later tape - less of a two-handed set. He has a lot of room to get it off in just about all those in the clip, and he’ll need that in the B1G.

Interesting on the possible Parkhill connection. Paging @djones … I think you have Bruce’s cell. He looks like a classic Parkhill recruit, and I mean that in the best, Hovasse-ian way.

I believe PC thinks this group can win next year without substantial reinforcements. Others will disagree.
We should start hearing soon about 2018. Love Dread, expect some quality others to join.

At this time last year, the posters on this board were clamoring for Washington, Davis, and Samuel playing a large role in this year’s rotation. Hasn’t happened. Chambers went out and successfully recruited over them to bring better players. It has to happen for this program to turn the corner. There are plenty of minutes next year for a shooter to step in and take time away from Samuel, Bostick, and/or Banks. Easily getting 8-10 minutes a game. If they already know someone is leaving, then I can see rolling the dice on Buttrick, knowing they have another ship to give out in the Spring signing/grad transfer period to fill this role.

Your taking away minutes form Banks as a shooter? If anything, I think Banks is the type of guy that might grad transfer out of PSU to a big time program. He has proven this year he can shoot the 3 ball. Can play inside or outside. Would be a really nice grad transfer pick up for a major Top 10 program to have on the team to come off the bench and provide some shooting/scoring for 15-18 minutes per game. If Banks wants to try to win a National Championship, I could see him moving.

Carr/Watkins/Stevens were all 4 star guys out of high school, big time prospects. We all hope Buttrick becomes the greatest scorer in PSU history, but as of now, he is not in those guys league with respect to looking like a player that is going to come in a start from Day one.

Banks has attempted 234 shots this year, with 164 coming from 3. He hasn’t, nor has he ever, shown an ability/willingness to play “inside”. No, shooting 38% from 3 doesn’t make him a proven shooter that a team competing for a national championship would look at and overlook his lack of finishing around the rim, rebounding, passing, and defense. He has already lost minutes/starting spot this year to the freshmen, why wouldn’t that trend continue next year??

Play inside meaning he can play the 4 position like he does now in a small line-up or play the 3 position. Ie…he gives a little flexibility. Not that he is an inside post player. And he has played a lot of BBall and has experience. He has played against big time competition so you know exactly what you are getting versus a grad transfer from a low/mid major that you don’t know how they will compete in a P5 conference.

He has not lost playing time to freshman this year.

As I said, he is not going to a Top 10 team to be a starter and play 35 minutes per game. But he is plenty capable of being the #7/#8 guy on a big time team and come in off the bench and play 5-9 minutes per half and if he gets hot in hitting the 3 ball, runs a few more minutes.

Perhaps this discussion can get moved to another thread, but until it does (and once again, Welcome to the Family, Trent!):

I don’t want Payton Banks to go anywhere. He’s had some phenomenal games for us, and I’m not just talking about his three-point shooting. I think his defense has been terrific (as has our D for almost everybody), and he does have the ability to drive if someone bites on a fake when he’s outside. He has been inconsistent: sometimes his shots are falling, sometimes they’re not. He’s streaky. But boy, when he’s on, he’s on. And even when he’s not, I think he’s an excellent lock-down defender, from my observation. I think he has great size for the positions he’s playing, generally speaking, and I appreciate everything he’s done for us. Don’t go, Payton! There. I feel better.