Now BREIN Says The Pirate Bay Should Block Dutch ISPs

from the either-way dept

Various entertainment industry lobbying groups have pushed for courts to force ISPs to block access to sites like The Pirate Bay, but now it looks like BREIN, the Dutch anti-piracy group, is trying to hit this from a variety of angles. If it can't get ISPs to block access to The Pirate Bay, it's demanding that The Pirate Bay block access from Dutch surfers. Even more bizarre, it's already dragged representatives from the proposed buyers of the The Pirate Bay, GGF, into court, despite the fact that the deal hasn't concluded (and may never actually happen). When do judges recognize that these organizations don't have any logical basis for what they claim, but that they'll simply throw everything at the wall to see what sticks in a mad dash to protect an obsolete business model from innovation?

The Deuce

See, this is where the whole Pirate analogy and name actually gets really fun. Because when I read that line, I picture Dutch officials in colonial times asking a ship filled with Norse Vikings flying the Jolly Roger to not access, or pirate, dutch wares. Ostensibly the Dutch don't give a damn about American copyright. I then picture the Norse pirates looking at each other bewildered, shortly before they skewer the Dutch merchants with their rapiers (what a fun word) and then do a little insult sword fighting with their corpses.

"Or perhaps it is because while they have a court victory, the weebles that run TPB are waddling around and doing everything except complying with the existing judgement?"

And THAT is the problem with the EU. The idea that the Dutch can in any way utilize the ruling of a foreign court is absurd on a level that is frightening. In fact, it throws the whole idea of sovereignty into question. Of course, the same plutocrats that invoke these kinds of measures want to do away with sovereign nations anyway, so I guess it kinda makes sense.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: An America still talking about the evils of communism and a unified European continent? Hitler would have been proud.

AC - "Or perhaps it is because while they have a court victory, the weebles that run TPB are waddling around and doing everything except complying with the existing judgement?"

Dark Helmet - "And THAT is the problem with the EU. The idea that the Dutch can in any way utilize the ruling of a foreign court is absurd on a level that is frightening. In fact, it throws the whole idea of sovereignty into question. Of course, the same plutocrats that invoke these kinds of measures want to do away with sovereign nations anyway, so I guess it kinda makes sense."

The problem with AC is that he/she likes to bring in the law only when it favours his/her Master the RIAA. So he/she comes up with nonsense like that all the time. As long as the fat cats at the RIAA approve everything goes.

BREIN is flailing around.

The media industry were requested by the Dutch minister (of economy, I believe) to first make a valid and legal alternative to combat against this so-called piracy, before asking politicians to write laws banning said behaviour.

Right after that announcement by the minister, BREIN started attacking Mininova and TPB.
Meanwhile BREIN was also complaining (presumably falsely) that their website was/is under attack by hackers who were DDOS-ing their website. (though there is evidence that this was false, as only the frontpage wouldn't load, the rest of the site loaded just fine).

They are flailing, as they don't want to offer alternatives, but are only looking to put the P2P-genie back in the bottle.

Every day

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pfft I don't care. TPB was quite a bit inferior from other sources in my opinion. AND before you typical nay sayers go off on it... NO not the private trackers! I'm talking other public trackers. TPB wasn't the best, nor was it by any stretch of the imagination unique.

Hell all of these sites track the same torrents anyways, even the private ones only have a few that are truly private.

You killed a site that links to links that links to links! CONGRATS! GOLD STAR! Big fing victory there fellas!

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Or perhaps it is because while they have a court victory, the weebles that run TPB are waddling around and doing everything except complying with the existing judgement?

and you're surprised by this? this is the patented "kazaa maneuver": sell the shell corporation to someone, move around europe for a while building something new (the "sale" was for commitment to future projects, not cash, keep that in mind) and sell that to pay your court fees.

but that doesn't really matter because filesharing will continue, unabated, forever. taking down napster didn't kill it, taking down kazaa didn't kill it, taking down oink didn't kill it, and taking down TPB won't kill it either, nor will taking down what replaces TPB, and neither will taking down what replaces the thing that replaces TPB.

so keep crying about the dirty pirates that don't listen, and then cry some more when the site is officially gone and nothing changes.

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Is anyone even using TPB anymore since they announced they were selling out?

hell yeah. i've been on a tear recently, grabbing stuff i always meant to get but never got around to, you know the big stuff: boxsets and discographies and whatnot, like the european top 100 from 1955 to 2005, 19 seasons of the simpsons, stuff like that.

that's the great thing about torrents. you can take down the tracker, but the torrents keep going :-)

When do judges recognize that these organizations don't have any logical basis for what they claim, but that they'll simply throw everything at the wall to see what sticks in a mad dash to protect an obsolete business model from innovation?When we stop supporting artists that use these people

"When do judges recognize that these organizations don't have any logical basis for what they claim, but that they'll simply throw everything at the wall to see what sticks in a mad dash to protect an obsolete business model from innovation?"

When the judges and the people who hired the judges stop receiving benefits from the copyright people.