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How can any English or NE politician still blame May for anything after she survived every attempt at her post? This parliament is such a joke and it's been told oh so many times that it stopped being funny idk how many months ago.

I still have hope for my Scottish friend, who are remainers and their school age daughter, that she will grow up to enjoy the freedom of movement and study abroad without much hassle or costs.

Well the Tories have just slipped to 5th in the EU election yougov poll and are neck and neck with Brexit party in general election polling.Go back to this David Cameron speech from 2015 and it becomes clear why voters are abandoning them.The clip is only 90 seconds long.

Would you mind stating what you think it is that drives people off the tories?I could imagine it by the video but as we've got rather different political standpoints on various occasions, it would amount to a lot of guesswork but nothing really substantiated.

On May 15 2019 19:39 Artisreal wrote:Would you mind stating what you think it is that drives people off the tories?I could imagine it by the video but as we've got rather different political standpoints on various occasions, it would amount to a lot of guesswork but nothing really substantiated.

Almost everything at this point.

Generally any party in power for such a sustained period eventually will gradually lose support anyway the longer they’re incumbents, especially in a borderline 2 party system like ours. It happened to Labour in the Blair/Brown era, it happens regularly in the US legislatures that the populace eventually gets fatigue over the ones in power and wants to give the other guys a shot.

They have a lot of unpopular policies anyway, especially austerity related ones, ones that would be way more vociferously opposed if Brexit wasn’t hanging about and dominating a lot of discussion.

They’re losing support on basically all aspects of Brexit. They haven’t negotiated well so they lose on competence, the party is fighting itself and factionalism makes them lose on competence again. Cameron initiated the whole process and lead to Brexit, so pro-EU Tory voters aren’t exactly happy there, and pro-Brexit Tory voters aren’t exactly happy that they don’t have Brexit yet so they’ll look elsewhere as well.

Here's another example of the shocking, horrifying incompetence of our government.They forgot to apply for money from the EU to help our poorest,most vulnerable citizens so they have to go without the help they are entitled to.The home office is becoming a ridiculous joke at this point.

A catalogue of errors by the Home Office has led to a loss of access to £600,000 of EU funds earmarked for the most deprived people in Britain and has put a further £2.9m at risk, it can be revealed.

The government had tried to claim the money for Theresa May’s flagship policy of helping the victims of modern slavery, but Sajid Javid’s department missed the deadline to recoup the ringfenced money.

Under the watch of the home secretary, who has ambitions to replace May in Downing Street, the UK has been left as the only EU member state to fail to deliver aid to its citizens through the programme, and it is still yet to make an application for the remainder of the £3.5m that was available.

On May 16 2019 01:09 Jockmcplop wrote:Here's another example of the shocking, horrifying incompetence of our government.They forgot to apply for money from the EU to help our poorest,most vulnerable citizens so they have to go without the help they are entitled to.The home office is becoming a ridiculous joke at this point.

A catalogue of errors by the Home Office has led to a loss of access to £600,000 of EU funds earmarked for the most deprived people in Britain and has put a further £2.9m at risk, it can be revealed.

The government had tried to claim the money for Theresa May’s flagship policy of helping the victims of modern slavery, but Sajid Javid’s department missed the deadline to recoup the ringfenced money.

Under the watch of the home secretary, who has ambitions to replace May in Downing Street, the UK has been left as the only EU member state to fail to deliver aid to its citizens through the programme, and it is still yet to make an application for the remainder of the £3.5m that was available.

May blames Labour split over second referendum for breakdown of cross-party Brexit talksTheresa May is speaking at a Conservative European elections campaign event in Bristol now.

She says only the Conservatives can deliver Brexit. (we have over two years of proof)

She takes one question.

Q: Corbyn blames the state of the government for the collapse of the talks. Do you accept that?

May says the talks have been constructive, and the two sides have made progress.

But she says there is a fundamental division in !!!Labour!!! between those who want to deliver Brexit and those who do not. (Good thing we have fully united and acting unisono tories...)

In all Brexit situation most annoying comment i keep hearing (irrelevant if you voted stay, or leave):"We have to deliver on result of referendum, or people will loose trust in politicians"What else people will loose? teleporting devices? ability to shoot fireballs from their fingers? third hand?

It also ignores the fact that the referendum was done by a completely different (and uninformed) population. Everyone against a new referendum knows exactly why: There is pretty much no chance of it landing on Leave again. Going through with Brexit does not represent what the majority of the population wants right now, but rather what a different population thought they wanted 3 years ago.

On May 17 2019 21:33 Excludos wrote:It also ignores the fact that the referendum was done by a completely different (and uninformed) population. Everyone against a new referendum knows exactly why: There is pretty much no chance of it landing on Leave again. Going through with Brexit does not represent what the majority of the population wants right now, but rather what a different population thought they wanted 3 years ago.

But my democracy or something. The difference between the Irish being just made vote again on the Lisbon Treaty which I really didn’t like vs a second referendum is precisely what you described, a change in information and understanding of the actual issue itself.

We all know why people don’t want a second vote, but people want to apply a binding standard to an old decision made at a different in a way that nobody does to anything else.

I mean a girl might make the mistake of agreeing to date me, I don’t get to bind her to that decision 3 years later when she understandably wants to break up with me.

There seems to be a seismic shift in the political landscape occurring with the rise of the Brexit Party, just look at the polling on https://twitter.com/britainelects , a party that didnt exist a few months ago is going to easily win the European Elections and isn't far off from beating everyone in westminster polling.

The Brexit Party seems to be able to unite the traditionally Labour Working Class with the conservative vote, this could be a general election winning force if the conservatives truly implode.

On May 21 2019 05:14 Zaros wrote:There seems to be a seismic shift in the political landscape occurring with the rise of the Brexit Party, just look at the polling on https://twitter.com/britainelects , a party that didnt exist a few months ago is going to easily win the European Elections and isn't far off from beating everyone in westminster polling.

The Brexit Party seems to be able to unite the traditionally Labour Working Class with the conservative vote, this could be a general election winning force if the conservatives truly implode.

a few more percentage points and that seat number is going to exponentially increase with the FPTP system.

The problem is that Nigel Farage i.e. leader of the Brexit Party has tried this shit seven times and still failed every time. Every time he looks unstoppable, and then people don't vote for him or his pals when the REAL votes happen.

Conversely, he always does well on EU stuff.

This could be the time. There's change in the air. But it doesn't seem likely that he topples the Tories. And woe betide us if he does. The Tories are bad, but the Brexit Party will be the end of politics as we know it. It's 100% an American import, using modern Trump style rhetoric and campaigning practices.

I hope people see through him when it matters like they always have. I don't think Farage's regular public tantrums go over well with the majority of the public.

Side note for 'dickhead of minor note' watch, I think Sargon of Akkad is running for a seat in UKIP.

Fair point. Albeit la Republic en marche Actually having à programme and politicians is something the aforementioned don't, being single issue parties. Some of these politicians being terrible is something they have in common though.

On May 21 2019 05:14 Zaros wrote:There seems to be a seismic shift in the political landscape occurring with the rise of the Brexit Party, just look at the polling on https://twitter.com/britainelects , a party that didnt exist a few months ago is going to easily win the European Elections and isn't far off from beating everyone in westminster polling.

The Brexit Party seems to be able to unite the traditionally Labour Working Class with the conservative vote, this could be a general election winning force if the conservatives truly implode.

a few more percentage points and that seat number is going to exponentially increase with the FPTP system.

The problem is that Nigel Farage i.e. leader of the Brexit Party has tried this shit seven times and still failed every time. Every time he looks unstoppable, and then people don't vote for him or his pals when the REAL votes happen.

Conversely, he always does well on EU stuff.

This could be the time. There's change in the air. But it doesn't seem likely that he topples the Tories. And woe betide us if he does. The Tories are bad, but the Brexit Party will be the end of politics as we know it. It's 100% an American import, using modern Trump style rhetoric and campaigning practices.

I hope people see through him when it matters like they always have. I don't think Farage's regular public tantrums go over well with the majority of the public.

Side note for 'dickhead of minor note' watch, I think Sargon of Akkad is running for a seat in UKIP.

I think a lot of the sucess post European election will depend if Farage is willing to share the limelight more with other members of the Brexit party, I assume they are going to at least need spokespeople for various governmental departments. If the Brexit Party is just Farage then it probably has hit its ceiling but if there is more then I think it does have a lot of potential.

On May 21 2019 05:14 Zaros wrote:There seems to be a seismic shift in the political landscape occurring with the rise of the Brexit Party, just look at the polling on https://twitter.com/britainelects , a party that didnt exist a few months ago is going to easily win the European Elections and isn't far off from beating everyone in westminster polling.

The Brexit Party seems to be able to unite the traditionally Labour Working Class with the conservative vote, this could be a general election winning force if the conservatives truly implode.

a few more percentage points and that seat number is going to exponentially increase with the FPTP system.

The problem is that Nigel Farage i.e. leader of the Brexit Party has tried this shit seven times and still failed every time. Every time he looks unstoppable, and then people don't vote for him or his pals when the REAL votes happen.

Conversely, he always does well on EU stuff.

This could be the time. There's change in the air. But it doesn't seem likely that he topples the Tories. And woe betide us if he does. The Tories are bad, but the Brexit Party will be the end of politics as we know it. It's 100% an American import, using modern Trump style rhetoric and campaigning practices.

I hope people see through him when it matters like they always have. I don't think Farage's regular public tantrums go over well with the majority of the public.

Side note for 'dickhead of minor note' watch, I think Sargon of Akkad is running for a seat in UKIP.

He is and he already started great with edgy rape jokes about a politician!

On May 21 2019 14:48 Artisreal wrote:Fair point. Albeit la Republic en marche Actually having à programme and politicians is something the aforementioned don't, being single issue parties. Some of these politicians being terrible is something they have in common though.

Yes, strip away the single issue and the party usually ends up indistinguishable from the Tories, or less palatable to some people.

It’s just a weird time and Brexit is a bombshell that’s exploded on the Tories too. There’s a lot in flux anyway but surely the Tories can’t be this incompetent in perpetuity? A reversion to some kind of mean there will claw back at least some support.

I wonder if pro-EU folks will end up regretting the lack of a single issue EU kind of party, or at least some kind of coordinated campaign across the pro-EU parties in these Euro elections. Some kind of equivalent organic popular movement seems sorely lacking