From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 00:30:20 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:30:20 +0200
Subject: Question about flash photography
Message-ID:
Hi!
The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
from the distance.
My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
to all things flash.
Thanks.
--
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 00:33:41 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:33:41 +0200
Subject: monitors
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
I have pretty old Philips Brilliance 200W monitor (I think it is 20"
and somewhat wide) that has like 16 ms response time. I still find it
most excellent for photo processing. If they were for sale now, I'd
sure recommend you buy it.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Gonz wrote:
> You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
> of 24" LCD monitors? ?I'm looking for a good 24" (or larger) monitor
> for photo-editing. ?I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
> very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
> was a bad choice. ?Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
> much of a difference?
>
>
>
> -Gonz
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From tbray at textuality.com Wed Dec 1 00:33:51 2010
From: tbray at textuality.com (Tim Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:33:51 -0800
Subject: monitors
In-Reply-To: <10AEE4BF-449D-4432-A741-2CAEAB6078BF@electricjunk.com>
References:
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Message-ID:
Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84
Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are. And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.
-T
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Matthew Montgomery
wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
>> You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
>> of 24" LCD monitors? ?I'm looking for a good 24" (or larger) monitor
>> for photo-editing. ?I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
>> very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
>> was a bad choice. ?Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
>> much of a difference?
>
> Here is a pretty good review site.
>
> http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
>
> I have actually been eyeing the NEC PA241W which also comes in a version that is bundled with the SpectraViewII calibrator.
>
> http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=ddb066be-36e2-4093-a4d6-00251d50dd2c
>
> I dearly love my current Sun Microsystems 24 inch LCD but more for sentimental reasons than it being a great panel for photo editing.
>
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> Matthew
>
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 00:51:24 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:51:24 +0200
Subject: My book is up on blurb (link to corrected version)
In-Reply-To:
References: <14FDD85B-8667-4908-8B82-FB1B5A1DF6C6@red4est.com>
Message-ID:
Excellent, Larry. These thousands of clicks were most definitely worth it.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> It's a first attempt at a book, but it should be good enough for a holiday gift.
>>
>> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1787932
>
> Make that:
> http://www.blurb.com/books/1788265
>>
>
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From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 01:40:36 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen (Droid Mail))
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:40:36 -0800
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
"Boris Liberman" wrote:
>Hi!
>
>The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
>Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
>little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
>empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
>from the distance.
>
>My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
>auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
>factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
>ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
>much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
>shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>
>Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
>the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
>ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
>to all things flash.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Boris
>
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From tbray at textuality.com Wed Dec 1 02:40:29 2010
From: tbray at textuality.com (Tim Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:40:29 -0800
Subject: PESO: Teacup etc
Message-ID:
Complete serendipity, walked by a shelf with some china while wearing
the Sigma 30mm 1.4: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/5223233724/
Composition? There isn't any; like I said, I just walked by. Think
I'll have to return to this subject.
-T
From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 02:52:26 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:52:26 -0800
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
References:
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Message-ID:
On Nov 30, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Larry Colen (Droid Mail) wrote:
> Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
I don't know if there is someplace you could conveniently order something like this from:
http://ephotoinc.com/photo-lighting-masterslave-strobe-flash-b445.html
They screw into lightbulb sockets and optically trigger. If you could put a few of them in clamp lights and use your strobe on manual to trigger them, they could give you the sort of lighting you need.
>
> "Boris Liberman" wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
>> Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
>> little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
>> empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
>> from the distance.
>>
>> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
>> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
>> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
>> ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
>> much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
>> shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>>
>> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
>> the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
>> ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
>> to all things flash.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Boris
>>
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From dave at multisport.net.nz Wed Dec 1 03:03:34 2010
From: dave at multisport.net.nz (David Mann)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:03:34 +1300
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
Message-ID:
One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling Harbour. Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
Cheers,
Dave
From pdml at web-options.com Wed Dec 1 03:09:37 2010
From: pdml at web-options.com (Bob W)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:09:37 -0000
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
References:
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Message-ID: <516ADF2C9E8244CFAF41608F1E0A8061@Vostro>
problem with that is it takes 40 years to get the slaves to Israel...
>
> Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
>
> "Boris Liberman" wrote:
>
> >Hi!
> >
> >The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs
> at Galia's
> >class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the little
> >musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall
> was empty I
> >could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots from the
> >distance.
> >
> >My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
> >auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into
> account the crop
> >factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall
> wasn't the ideal
> >surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was
> too much to
> >play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed shots
> >but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
> >
> >Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent
> during the
> >shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd
> rather ask
> >someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total
> klutz to all
> >things flash.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >--
> >Boris
> >
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:43:57 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:43:57 +0200
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <516ADF2C9E8244CFAF41608F1E0A8061@Vostro>
References: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
<516ADF2C9E8244CFAF41608F1E0A8061@Vostro>
Message-ID: <4CF60ACD.5040906@gmail.com>
Wrong, Bob.
It takes 40 light years of travel to get optical slaves to Israel. Larry
surely meant optical slaves, not just your common ones...
On 12/1/2010 10:09 AM, Bob W wrote:
>
> problem with that is it takes 40 years to get the slaves to Israel...
>
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:45:58 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:45:58 +0200
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
References:
<645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com>
On 12/1/2010 8:40 AM, Larry Colen (Droid Mail) wrote:
> Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
Two problems with what you suggest, Larry:
1. I shoot like this 2-3 times a year.
2. I may not be able and/or allowed to bring my gear of this kind.
But I wonder, is there any flash modification that can still be used
with flash pointed directly at the subject and still provide more
diffused light. There has to be something...
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:49:45 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:49:45 +0200
Subject: GESO Lights of the Ozarks 2010
In-Reply-To: <70531.86727.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <70531.86727.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60C29.8090809@gmail.com>
You're welcome, Ted.
I don't think that K-7 is really /suitable/ for low light photography as
it is. It /can be used/, but with caution and with understanding that in
many situations the camera won't be able to cope with the task given to it.
On the positive side, I used FA 31 on my most recent shots and it seems
to AF reasonably well in the low light, though it would regularly light
the green assistance light, which in case of more than 10 meters distant
would simply dissipate and be almost useless...
K10D cannot be used in conditions such as these simply because it maxes
out at ISO 1600, whereas ISO 1250 is probably the highest relatively
usable one. I've no experience with K20D, but I am surely looking
forward to buying K-5 one day.
Boris
On 11/30/2010 7:13 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:
> Thanks Boris, I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment. I am really
> enjoying the low light capabilities of the K 7 despite what others think of it.
>
> Ted
> "The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer." Albert Maysles
>
>
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:50:19 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:50:19 +0200
Subject: Two more PESOs from Boris
In-Reply-To: <200511.11261.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <200511.11261.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60C4B.8090100@gmail.com>
Thanks, Ted. I am glad that my relatively simple ideas found their
agreement with you and Paul.
Boris
On 11/30/2010 7:18 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:
> Boris, I agree with Paul on his comments on both of these shots. The dark sky
> does not bother me. The unreal colors of the ice cream really pop and make the
> shot for me.
>
> Ted
> "The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer." Albert Maysles
>
>
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:50:57 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:50:57 +0200
Subject: Two more PESOs from Boris
In-Reply-To:
References: <4CF3CFCA.5020709@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60C71.5010909@gmail.com>
On 11/30/2010 6:26 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
> I like both of these. Love the warm lighting on the street shot and the empty feeling.
> I think you exposed the ice cream display perfectly, with the bright colors of the ice cream popping out from the dark environment.
> Paul
Thanks, Paul. Histogram chimping can be a virtue, you know :-).
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:53:02 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:53:02 +0200
Subject: Three years
In-Reply-To: <8F51A743-E8FC-4A19-9A19-7FB7783DD1FA@visi.com>
References: <267AE68A-4639-43F6-B95F-5338E34890EA@red4est.com> <4CF4E505.2080000@gmail.com>
<8F51A743-E8FC-4A19-9A19-7FB7783DD1FA@visi.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60CEE.8080405@gmail.com>
On 11/30/2010 10:52 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>> P.S. My counts are *istD - 10K, K10D - 23K, K-7 - 11K, together - 44K
>>
>
> You guys are making me feel like a slacker.
>
> DS-24,286 (2004-2008)
> K10-16,368 (2008-2010)
> K7-2,154 (2010- )
>
> (..and 16 other cameras not listed here)
>
> -Charles
But why, Charles. Your figures if summed up end up just a scosh less
than 43K which is very close to my figure...
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:54:52 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:54:52 +0200
Subject: Three years
In-Reply-To: <918BE11A-91AB-4CF5-8944-C7A7FB19AB8C@thrane.name>
References: <267AE68A-4639-43F6-B95F-5338E34890EA@red4est.com> <4CF4E505.2080000@gmail.com> <8F51A743-E8FC-4A19-9A19-7FB7783DD1FA@visi.com>
<918BE11A-91AB-4CF5-8944-C7A7FB19AB8C@thrane.name>
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On 11/30/2010 11:06 PM, DagT wrote:
> Ha, I?m slow .-)
>
> *istD 8915 (2004-2006)
> K10D 5744 (2006-2008)
> K20D 10177 (2008- )
>
> (and less then 100 exposures with other cameras)
Yeah, right. And good that you are, or those people who steal photos
would be having really hard time working overtime :-).
Seriously, however, Jostein and I had a talk about it, may be even more
than once, and the conclusion was that thoughtful shooting (and a
special effort not to chimp) may actually lead to better outcome.
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:57:29 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:57:29 +0200
Subject: White Balance on K-7
In-Reply-To: <201011301542.oAUFgUHS008147@trantor.komkon.org>
References: <201011301542.oAUFgUHS008147@trantor.komkon.org>
Message-ID: <4CF60DF9.3060608@gmail.com>
On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed
> it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very
> consistent and the flash was not allowed at all.
Igor, is it at all possible then to have you make a controlled
experiment? Because if you do, you may have enough data to present to
your Pentax service if you would have to send the camera in. Here,
sometimes, you essentially need to prove to the service clerk that the
camera is broken. As a side effect of this experiment, you may establish
an interesting procedure and add yet another bit of knowledge for the
common good.
Boris
From dario.bonazza at virgilio.it Wed Dec 1 03:59:03 2010
From: dario.bonazza at virgilio.it (Dario Bonazza)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:59:03 +0100
Subject: Question about flash photography
References: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com>
<4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0661EE4676D74187B4B5B401376153D0@winfsjh496j33q>
Boris Liberman wrote:
> But I wonder, is there any flash modification that can still be used with
> flash pointed directly at the subject and still provide more diffused
> light. There has to be something...
Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you &
your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
Dario
From dario.bonazza at virgilio.it Wed Dec 1 04:05:45 2010
From: dario.bonazza at virgilio.it (Dario Bonazza)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:05:45 +0100
Subject: White Balance on K-7
References: <201011301542.oAUFgUHS008147@trantor.komkon.org>
<4CF60DF9.3060608@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>> Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed
>> it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very
>> consistent and the flash was not allowed at all.
>
> Igor, is it at all possible then to have you make a controlled experiment?
> Because if you do, you may have enough data to present to your Pentax
> service if you would have to send the camera in. Here, sometimes, you
> essentially need to prove to the service clerk that the camera is broken.
> As a side effect of this experiment, you may establish an interesting
> procedure and add yet another bit of knowledge for the common good.
Uh? Why do you suppose Igor's camera to be broken when Igor himself agreed
on my suggestion to just change the set WB from "go where you like" (Pentax
default) to "fixed"? Let's wait and see if such a menu setting is enough to
solve the problem.
Dario
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 04:08:28 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:08:28 +0200
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <0661EE4676D74187B4B5B401376153D0@winfsjh496j33q>
References: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com> <4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com>
<0661EE4676D74187B4B5B401376153D0@winfsjh496j33q>
Message-ID: <4CF6108C.8010706@gmail.com>
On 12/1/2010 10:59 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you
> & your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
>
> Dario
Thank you, Dario. I will probably see what I can buy either from these
guys or off e-bay or even make myself.
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 04:15:15 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:15:15 +0200
Subject: White Balance on K-7
In-Reply-To:
References: <201011301542.oAUFgUHS008147@trantor.komkon.org> <4CF60DF9.3060608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF61223.4040003@gmail.com>
On 12/1/2010 11:05 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Uh? Why do you suppose Igor's camera to be broken when Igor himself
> agreed on my suggestion to just change the set WB from "go where you
> like" (Pentax default) to "fixed"? Let's wait and see if such a menu
> setting is enough to solve the problem.
>
> Dario
Sorry, Dario (and Igor). I didn't /suggest/ or /suppose/ that Igor's
camera may be actually /broken/. I did suggest that Igor makes a
controlled experiment. I don't think Igor would want to change the
settings and go out shooting effectively /hoping/ that the settings
change did solve his problem. I think it has to be tried before. And
/if/ as a /result/ of such experiment Igor figures out that his camera
is not functioning right, he'd be able to discuss this with Pentax
service more easily as he would have an evidence and knowledge to
support him. Or alternatively, as a result of the above experiment, Igor
might be able to learn more about this specific aspect of his camera and
/know/ where the limitations are so that his work with the camera will
benefit from that.
Boris
P.S. Recently I tried to use focus test technique suggested by Paul
Stenquist and I found it to be most useful for my two most recent shoots
as I went out /knowing/ that despite the focusing precision issues with
my Sigma 24-60/2.8, the camera was properly /dialed in/ and I had no
focus issues with the lens whatsoever.
From cottycam at mac.com Wed Dec 1 05:39:14 2010
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:39:14 +0000
Subject: My book is up on blurb
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On 30/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>It's a first attempt at a book, but it should be good enough for a
>holiday gift.
>
>http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1787932
Great job Larry - for a first effort that's excellent.
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From cottycam at mac.com Wed Dec 1 05:49:38 2010
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:49:38 +0000
Subject: What's the going rate?
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On 30/11/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>First things I ask any prospective client:
>
>- What is your budget for the photos to use in this publication project?
Godders, exactly how many time has the response been "blow it out yer
arse!" ??
;-)
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From drd1135 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 06:42:13 2010
From: drd1135 at gmail.com (Steven Desjardins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:42:13 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
Message-ID:
My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
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From drd1135 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 06:48:44 2010
From: drd1135 at gmail.com (Steven Desjardins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:48:44 -0500
Subject: Three years
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One of the great advantages of hanging on to your DSLR bodies longer
is that you can use your money for lenses. This probably has a bigger
effect on your shots, assuming you actually go out in the daylight.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM, DagT wrote:
> Den 30. nov. 2010 kl. 21.52 skrev Charles Robinson:
>
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:50, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/30/2010 1:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>> I used exiftool to take a look at the shutter counts on my Pentax
>>>> bodies: K100: ?43175 K20: ? ?57624 K-x: ? ? 40475 which adds up to
>>>> 140,912 frames. ?With 45 photos in the book, that works out to a
>>>> keeper ratio of one in every 3,131 frames.
>>>>
>>>> -- Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
>>>
>>> Larry Gatling Colen...
>>>
>>> You, sir, are surely very happy fellow, which includes great deal of trigger happiness...
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
>>> P.S. My counts are *istD - 10K, K10D - 23K, K-7 - 11K, together - 44K
>>>
>>
>> You guys are making me feel like a slacker.
>>
>> DS-24,286 (2004-2008)
>> K10-16,368 (2008-2010)
>> K7-2,154 (2010- )
>>
>> (..and 16 other cameras not listed here)
>
>
> Ha, I?m slow .-)
>
> *istD 8915 (2004-2006)
> K10D 5744 (2006-2008)
> K20D 10177 (2008- )
>
> (and less then 100 exposures with other cameras)
>
> DagT
> http://www.thrane.name
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From drd1135 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 06:50:53 2010
From: drd1135 at gmail.com (Steven Desjardins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:50:53 -0500
Subject: PESO: 'Topsy Turvey'
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Great shot. It's not like you have much control over you POV here, so
nice timing.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> Excellent.
>
> Nice rich colours/.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, ? wrote:
>> Taken over the East Bay at Traverse City, Michigan during the Blue Angel's
>> practice for their Cherry Festival show over the July 4th holiday..
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12022380
>>
>> K20D, 300mm f4.5 FA - 1/1000, f7.1, 400 ISO - handheld
>>
>> Comments appreciated
>>
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Wed Dec 1 07:05:04 2010
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (paul stenquist)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:05:04 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
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Any diffuser will help some, but it also eats into the flashes range. If you're close enough, a really broad diffuser like a lightsphere or omnibounce will help quite a bit. With or without the diffuser, you can make the shadows less objectionable by mounting the flash a foot or more above the lens and centered above it. Many third party flash brackets can help you accomplish that.
Paul
On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
>
> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
> Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
> little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
> empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
> from the distance.
>
> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
> ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
> much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
> shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>
> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
> the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
> ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
> to all things flash.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Boris
>
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From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 07:14:36 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 04:14:36 -0800
Subject: Question about flash photography
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On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Bob W wrote:
>
> problem with that is it takes 40 years to get the slaves to Israel...
Moshe!
>
>>
>> Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
>>
>> "Boris Liberman" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs
>> at Galia's
>>> class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the little
>>> musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall
>> was empty I
>>> could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots from the
>>> distance.
>>>
>>> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
>>> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into
>> account the crop
>>> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall
>> wasn't the ideal
>>> surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was
>> too much to
>>> play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed shots
>>> but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent
>> during the
>>> shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd
>> rather ask
>>> someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total
>> klutz to all
>>> things flash.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Boris
>>>
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From knarftheriault at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 07:33:28 2010
From: knarftheriault at gmail.com (frank theriault)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:33:28 -0500
Subject: PESO - Bound
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> Excellent. ?A bit of Godderian influence?
Maybe.
I was also thinking maybe a bit of inspiration from Bruce Dayton, too.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks to everyone else who commented.
cheers,
frank
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From cirvis at konts.lv Wed Dec 1 07:40:20 2010
From: cirvis at konts.lv (Gasha)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:40:20 +0200
Subject: monitors
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Message-ID: <4CF64234.6070308@konts.lv>
I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that
it is great. Not cheap, however.
There are newer models around, with better performance.
Gasha
Tim Bray wrote:
> Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
> http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84
>
> Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
> really are. And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.
>
> -T
>
From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 07:41:31 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 04:41:31 -0800
Subject: My book is up on blurb
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On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Cotty wrote:
> On 30/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> It's a first attempt at a book, but it should be good enough for a
>> holiday gift.
>>
>> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1787932
>
> Great job Larry - for a first effort that's excellent.
Thanks a bunch.
Hopefully this is even better:
http://www.blurb.com/books/1790067
Not only did I come up with some improvements, but Ann also made some suggestions.
Whether or not it could be better still, I think that it's time to give up on polishing it and ship it.
>
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From knarftheriault at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 07:44:36 2010
From: knarftheriault at gmail.com (frank theriault)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:44:36 -0500
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
Message-ID:
In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
it's already started.
Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
Happy Hannukah,
Judy and Frank
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 07:51:42 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:51:42 +0200
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Minor correction - it is Hanukkiah that is being lit, not Menorah.
Happy (seasonal) holidays, everyone!
Boris
On 12/1/2010 2:44 PM, frank theriault wrote:
> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
> it's already started.
>
> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
> home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
>
> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>
> Happy Hannukah,
> Judy and Frank
>
From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 07:52:37 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 04:52:37 -0800
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
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On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:44 AM, frank theriault wrote:
> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
> it's already started.
>
> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
> home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
>
> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
Happy Chanukah to you all too.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4116754&l=13a50311cc&id=653299672
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 08:09:44 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:09:44 +0200
Subject: Question about flash photography
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References:
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Thanks, Paul!
On 12/1/2010 2:05 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
> Any diffuser will help some, but it also eats into the flashes range.
> If you're close enough, a really broad diffuser like a lightsphere or
> omnibounce will help quite a bit. With or without the diffuser, you
> can make the shadows less objectionable by mounting the flash a foot
> or more above the lens and centered above it. Many third party flash
> brackets can help you accomplish that. Paul
From jehosephat at mindspring.com Wed Dec 1 08:23:46 2010
From: jehosephat at mindspring.com (Doug Franklin)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:23:46 -0500
Subject: monitors
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References:
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On 2010-12-01 0:33, Boris Liberman wrote:
> I have pretty old Philips Brilliance 200W monitor (I think it is 20"
> and somewhat wide) that has like 16 ms response time. I still find it
> most excellent for photo processing. If they were for sale now, I'd
> sure recommend you buy it.
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Gonz wrote:
>> You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
>> of 24" LCD monitors? I'm looking for a good 24" (or larger) monitor
>> for photo-editing. I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
>> very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
>> was a bad choice. Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
>> much of a difference?
Response time makes /no/ difference for uses like photo editing. It can
sometimes make a difference when viewing videos. It can make a big
difference if you play computer games.
Take a look at TVs of the same size, too. I've found that the TVs can
have better color gamut and brightness than the computer monitors of the
same size.
--
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 08:28:37 2010
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:28:37 -0600
Subject: My book is up on blurb (link to corrected version)
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Larry,
That's a fun thing to do and interesting to see.
You made a nice collection of your work, excellent!
(It needs more mushrooms.) :-)
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Excellent, Larry. These thousands of clicks were most definitely worth it.
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>> It's a first attempt at a book, but it should be good enough for a holiday gift.
>>>
>>> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1787932
>>
>> Make that:
>> http://www.blurb.com/books/1788265
>>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jehosephat at mindspring.com Wed Dec 1 08:28:21 2010
From: jehosephat at mindspring.com (Doug Franklin)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:28:21 -0500
Subject: monitors
In-Reply-To:
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On 2010-12-01 0:33, Tim Bray wrote:
> Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
> http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84
>
> Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
> really are. And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.
I haven't vetted the information personally, but the following page
claims to be a "comprehensive" list of IPS-based LCD monitors:
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php
The HP ZR series replaced the series containing my photo monitor (HP
LP2475w) with better prices. I've been very pleased with the 2475w, but
I haven't personally tried the ZR series yet.
--
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 08:33:27 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:33:27 +0200
Subject: monitors
In-Reply-To: <4CF64C62.8050205@mindspring.com>
References:
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On 12/1/2010 3:23 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
> Response time makes /no/ difference for uses like photo editing. It can
> sometimes make a difference when viewing videos. It can make a big
> difference if you play computer games.
>
> Take a look at TVs of the same size, too. I've found that the TVs can
> have better color gamut and brightness than the computer monitors of the
> same size.
Doug, I am perfectly aware of these considerations that you mentioned.
Mind you, I made very conscious choice of the monitor and I am happy
ever since I chose it.
Boris
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 08:37:43 2010
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:37:43 -0600
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
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photobucket hangs then crashes my internet explorer. :-(
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>
> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>
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>
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From jehosephat at mindspring.com Wed Dec 1 08:40:13 2010
From: jehosephat at mindspring.com (Doug Franklin)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:40:13 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
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On 2010-12-01 3:59, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> But I wonder, is there any flash modification that can still be used
>> with flash pointed directly at the subject and still provide more
>> diffused light. There has to be something...
>
> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you
> & your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
I second Dario's recommendation. I've used a softbox quite effectively
for that situation, when I've got enough flash power to reach the
distance. For me, that's usually easy, because I'm either not shooting
something like a stage from the audience, or I have official access to
the stage wings, etc. It'll be tougher at longer distances.
--
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 08:50:08 2010
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:50:08 -0600
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
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Frank,
You beat me to it!
Happy Hanukah to all.
Bob & Lynn
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, frank theriault
wrote:
> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. ?Somewhere in the world
> it's already started.
>
> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
> home made macaroons for dessert. ?Should be yummy!
>
> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>
> Happy Hannukah,
> Judy and Frank
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."? -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
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From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 08:50:36 2010
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 05:50:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PESO: Teacup etc
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <391810.31537.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Yes, Tim I agree. Looks like a worthwhile scene justifying further effort.
Jack
--- On Tue, 11/30/10, Tim Bray wrote:
> From: Tim Bray
> Subject: PESO: Teacup etc
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:40 PM
> Complete serendipity, walked by a
> shelf with some china while wearing
> the Sigma 30mm 1.4: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/5223233724/
>
> Composition? There isn't any; like I said, I just walked
> by.? Think
> I'll have to return to this subject.
>
> -T
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Wed Dec 1 09:15:36 2010
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (P N Stenquist)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:15:36 -0500
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Best holiday wishes to all.
Paul
On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Frank,
> You beat me to it!
> Happy Hanukah to all.
> Bob & Lynn
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
>> it's already started.
>>
>> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
>> home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
>>
>> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>>
>> Happy Hannukah,
>> Judy and Frank
>>
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From eckinator at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 09:36:47 2010
From: eckinator at gmail.com (eckinator)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:36:47 +0100
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <0661EE4676D74187B4B5B401376153D0@winfsjh496j33q>
References:
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<4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com>
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I have their 80/20, big bounce and super big bounce and while I love
the way they work, they tend to be a bit heavy - the head of my
af-540fgz sometimes just flops over from their weight. dunno about the
metzes but you may have to add some straps to prevent it from doing
that
hth ecke
2010/12/1 Dario Bonazza :
> Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> But I wonder, is there any flash modification that can still be used with
>> flash pointed directly at the subject and still provide more diffused light.
>> There has to be something...
>
> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you &
> your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
>
> Dario
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 09:36:59 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:36:59 +0200
Subject: PESO: Teacup etc
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4CF65D8B.8020304@gmail.com>
If you do (return to this subject) Tim, then may be you could get rid of
whatever is on the left of the teacup...
Boris
On 12/1/2010 9:40 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
> Complete serendipity, walked by a shelf with some china while wearing
> the Sigma 30mm 1.4: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/5223233724/
>
> Composition? There isn't any; like I said, I just walked by. Think
> I'll have to return to this subject.
>
> -T
>
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 09:44:09 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:44:09 +0200
Subject: PESO: beam it up...
In-Reply-To:
References: <20101130233710.3324bf3f@gmail.com> <20101130234951.6fc28c43@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF65F39.1010301@gmail.com>
On 12/1/2010 1:51 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Hey, my K7 is made of the finest bronze. ;-o
If you cool your molten steel too fast, it becomes fragile thereby
having very narrow dynamic range of possible bending ;-)...
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 09:45:24 2010
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:45:24 +0200
Subject: PESO: beam it up...
In-Reply-To: <20101130233710.3324bf3f@gmail.com>
References: <20101130233710.3324bf3f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF65F84.3010207@gmail.com>
Well done, sir... Now, please choose your new nick name - Scotty, Chief
O'Brien or Geordi...
On 11/30/2010 8:07 PM, Subash wrote:
> hi,
>
> digging around some old ones... do tell me what you think:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/Peso#5545404485618435346
>
> k10d, fa 50/1.4....
>
From charlesr at visi.com Wed Dec 1 09:46:03 2010
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:46:03 -0600
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net>
References: <4CF58D1D.2000503@nc.rr.com>
<5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1D85E821-FB8B-4668-A0FC-D668A6D0984B@visi.com>
On Nov 30, 2010, at 18:57, paul stenquist wrote:
> The ASMP is a scam. The dues are $335 a year, for which one gets basically nothing, other than unrealistic price scales and advice. Been there, done that.
>
> Asking for $300 could very well be a deal killer here. I wouldn't be surprised if the book publisher is hoping to get the pics for free or for a token amount. If he can get $150 for the three pics, he'll be doing very well. Credit will depend on the pubs style and guidelines. They either do or they don't provide a credit. It's generally not negotiable. Most magazines credit photos; many book publishers do not. Don't know why.
Last time I sold a picture for one-time use in a textbook, it was for "Rights: Non-Exclusive, One-Time, English Language
Distribution: World <20,000 Print and eBook" and I asked for (and got) $175.
Then they wanted to use it in another book almost a year later... and I got $175 again. So....
(This was with McGraw-Hill, who does have a budget for sure.)
-Charles
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From allaround6 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 1 09:57:19 2010
From: allaround6 at earthlink.net (Paul Sorenson)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:57:19 -0600
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <4CF6108C.8010706@gmail.com>
References: <645e47ee-639e-4d15-b410-d3bddbe477fa@email.android.com> <4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com> <0661EE4676D74187B4B5B401376153D0@winfsjh496j33q>
<4CF6108C.8010706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF6624F.10708@earthlink.net>
Boris -
Check out the "Better Bounce Card" - It's cheap, easy to make and
actually works pretty well. It looks a little goofy and you'll get some
questions about it ;-) . I've used it at a couple weddings and the
results were definitely much better than direct flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCmuExlHvM
-p
On 12/1/2010 3:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 12/1/2010 10:59 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you
>> & your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
>> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
>>
>> Dario
>
> Thank you, Dario. I will probably see what I can buy either from these
> guys or off e-bay or even make myself.
>
> Boris
>
>
From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 09:58:52 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:58:52 -0500
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net>
References: <4CF58D1D.2000503@nc.rr.com>
<5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
>
> Asking for $300 could very well be a deal killer here. I wouldn't be surprised if the book publisher is hoping to get the pics for free or for a token amount. If he can get $150 for the three pics, he'll be doing very well.
Walt. I sold four pictures to our Chamber of Commerce last year, when
they decided to up grade their map of Whitchurch-Stouffville. I asked
for $50 each and we settled for 30 each. I was happy, they were happy,
and Ronald McDonald was happymeal.
Dave
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:00:10 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:00:10 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
> the shoot?
Photograph vampires.??
Dave
>
> --
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:01:21 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To: <4CF6624F.10708@earthlink.net>
References:
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<4CF60B46.8050901@gmail.com>
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<4CF6108C.8010706@gmail.com> <4CF6624F.10708@earthlink.net>
Message-ID:
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Boris -
>
> Check out the "Better Bounce Card" - It's cheap, easy to make and actually
> works pretty well. ?It looks a little goofy and you'll get some questions
> about it ;-) . ?I've used it at a couple weddings and the results were
> definitely much better than direct flash.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCmuExlHvM
A friend of mine uses a large spoon rubber banded to the flash. Not
sure how it works, but its a good ice breaker.
Dave
>
> -p
>
>
> On 12/1/2010 3:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> On 12/1/2010 10:59 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you
>>> & your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
>>> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
>>>
>>> Dario
>>
>> Thank you, Dario. I will probably see what I can buy either from these
>> guys or off e-bay or even make myself.
>>
>> Boris
>>
>>
>
>
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:02:47 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:02:47 -0500
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
What Bob said
Dave
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Frank,
> You beat me to it!
> Happy Hanukah to all.
> Bob & Lynn
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. ?Somewhere in the world
>> it's already started.
>>
>> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
>> home made macaroons for dessert. ?Should be yummy!
>>
>> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>>
>> Happy Hannukah,
>> Judy and Frank
>>
>> --
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>>
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:03:27 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:03:27 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Ha ha. Good one.
Dave
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>
> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:04:29 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:04:29 -0500
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Looks like a good job on the low light.
Very nice shot, and like the subtle bits of OOF pink.
Dave
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 AM, David Mann wrote:
> One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling Harbour. ?Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
>
> http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:05:50 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:05:50 -0500
Subject: PESO: Metro Colosseo
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Interesting.
Dave
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=27
>
> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse Welcome
>
> Dan
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:08:56 2010
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:08:56 -0500
Subject: GESO - Conowingo Dam
In-Reply-To: <4CF51B7A.8070600@aim.com>
References: <4CF51B7A.8070600@aim.com>
Message-ID:
Nice set of photo's non the less. I like the group shot.
Dave
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Christian wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> It's been a long time since I've posted a PESO or GESO. ?I've been crazy
> busy with traveling for my new job, going to exciting places like, Miami,
> New York City, Chicago, Paris and Frankfurt.
>
> Because of that, my time for photography has suffered except for the
> occasional tourist snaps. ?Also, my time on the PDML has been infrequent and
> I apologize for not commenting on the many beautiful PESOs, GESOs and PAWs
> I've seen in the past few months.
>
> The weekend before Thanksgiving I decided to remedy all that by going to
> Conowingo Dam in Maryland to photograph Bald Eagles. ?I've put my thoughts
> about the trip along with some photos on my blog. ?Not my best work but
> enjoy it nonetheless.
>
> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2010/11/conowingo-dam-november-2010.html
>
>
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From drd1135 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:14:25 2010
From: drd1135 at gmail.com (Steven Desjardins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:14:25 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Here it is. Go to the bottom of the website.
http://chemistry.wlu.edu/~desjardins/
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> photobucket hangs then crashes my internet explorer. ?:-(
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>>
>> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>>
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From mark at robertstech.com Wed Dec 1 10:18:23 2010
From: mark at robertstech.com (Mark Roberts)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:18:23 -0500
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <74E41986-9B3D-45C5-95B8-5D443A7A3797@comcast.net>
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paul stenquist wrote:
>On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>
>> From: paul stenquist
>>
>>> The ASMP is a scam. The dues are $335 a year, for which one gets
>>> basically nothing, other than unrealistic price scales and advice.
>>> Been there, done that.
>>
>> You may not think it's worth the money, but that doesn't make it a scam.
>
>Most of the working pros I know consider it a scam. I don't think any of the NY Times photographers are ASMP members.
I agree that its membership is overpriced, but ASMP does some very
worthwhile things. Their copyright education materials, available free
even to non-members, are excellent
(http://asmp.org/content/registration-counts) and their "DP Bestflow"
workflow and archiving initiative - sponsored by the Library of
Congress should be required reading for all pros and anyone who has
any notion of possibly going pro (http://www.dpbestflow.org/) and
that's also free.
But $335 per year for general membership is a bit much. I can't even
justify the $225 annual fee for "Affiliate" membership that I could
get as someone who teaches this stuff.
From gdigiorgi at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:25:28 2010
From: gdigiorgi at gmail.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:25:28 -0800
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <4CF5ADC8.5020203@gmail.com>
References: <4CF58D1D.2000503@nc.rr.com>
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Never worry about the aesthetic quality of a photograph when a
prospective client is interested in it. That does not influence the
price.
What influences the price is what the photo editor wants for the
project, whether the story editor and author concur with that, and how
much money they have to spend on the project and the photographs.
News photographs are a little different in that some photos are more
valuable than others as a factor of the event, their rarity,
timeliness, etc. I've only sold a little into the news/journalism
marketplace (would like to do more work in that area ... it's fun and
challenging).
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
> ? Thanks, Godfrey. ?That's something I'll definitely have to file away for
> future reference.
>
> But, I suspect the type of photographs you've sold for books would be of a
> different sort than the ones they've expressed interest in -- which is to
> say that the images themselves were of a compelling nature. ?The ones
> they've asked about aren't visually compelling, or anything. ?It's just that
> they happen to fit the particular theme that they're working. ?I can't help
> wondering if that makes a considerable difference in the price they'd fetch.
>
> In other words, I suspect the images you sold to publishing houses last year
> would cause the person reading the book to say, "Wow! ?What a nice photo!"
> ?Whereas, the images Hachette has asked for would cause the reader to say,
> "Hmm ... interesting sign that guy's holding there."
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 11/30/2010 7:43 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> Last four book publication licenses (2010 records) I was paid for were
>> $225, $250, $230, and $215 (full page, one language, non-exclusive
>> use, typically one geo market). Book covers have gone for $300-450
>> per. All per photo, typically with single edition press run
>> stipulations (one of them was for all press runs for 10 years from
>> date of license, renewable).
>>
>> Every prospective client will try to get the work for their
>> publication for as little as possible, for attribution if they can get
>> away with it.
>>
>> First things I ask any prospective client:
>>
>> - Do you use a published rate schedule for your photo purchases?
>> - What is your budget for the photos to use in this publication project?
>> - Do you have an in-house contract template for the usage license that
>> I can review?
>>
>> Asking those questions puts the relationship on a business footing
>> from which you can work profitably. Rates run all over the place, but
>> any credible publisher worth working with will appreciate a
>> professional attitude and respond accordingly.
>
>
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From rustykris at verizon.net Wed Dec 1 10:28:38 2010
From: rustykris at verizon.net (Otis Wright)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:28:38 -0500
Subject: monitors
In-Reply-To: <4CF64234.6070308@konts.lv>
References:
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I've been running two Dell ultrasharp models on my computers for some
years now. Currently running two 2209s. Have had good luck with the
Dell units. Will probably add two 24-inch units next year and
upgrading system to 4 displays. Any one care to share experience with
more the two displays on their system?
Otis Wright
On 12/1/2010 7:40 AM, Gasha wrote:
>
> I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that
> it is great. Not cheap, however.
> There are newer models around, with better performance.
>
> Gasha
>
> Tim Bray wrote:
>> Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
>> http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84
>>
>>
>> Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
>> really are. And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.
>>
>> -T
>>
>
From mark at robertstech.com Wed Dec 1 10:29:23 2010
From: mark at robertstech.com (Mark Roberts)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:29:23 -0500
Subject: My book is up on blurb
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Larry Colen wrote:
>On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Cotty wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> It's a first attempt at a book, but it should be good enough for a
>>> holiday gift.
>>>
>>> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1787932
>>
>> Great job Larry - for a first effort that's excellent.
>
>Thanks a bunch.
>
>Hopefully this is even better:
>http://www.blurb.com/books/1790067
>
>Not only did I come up with some improvements, but Ann also made some suggestions.
>Whether or not it could be better still, I think that it's time to give up on polishing it and ship it.
Looks great! And, yes, it's time to stop polishing and ship. Too much
tinkering always spoils projects, I find.
Now start working on the *next* one!
From gdigiorgi at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:29:35 2010
From: gdigiorgi at gmail.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:29:35 -0800
Subject: What's the going rate?
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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Cotty wrote:
> On 30/11/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>First things I ask any prospective client:
>>
>
>>- What is your budget for the photos to use in this publication project?
>
> Godders, exactly how many time has the response been "blow it out yer
> arse!" ??
In all seriousness: never. I've had editors tell me everything from "I
don't know" to supplying a highly detailed rate chart, and I've had
editors tell me they couldn't afford the price I set when they didn't
have a rate chart, etc etc, but none have ever indicated they were
uncomfortable with the question. How could they be? They're in
business ... arranging a business transaction .. just like I am. Are
you uncomfortable or put off if a provider whose services you need
asks you what the budget for a shoot might be?
--
Godfrey
? godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:30:31 2010
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:30:31 -0600
Subject: Question about flash photography
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References:
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Boris,
Paul points out a good video.
You can have a great bounce flash
for the cost of a rubberband and piece of paper.
Regards, Bob S.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Boris -
>
> Check out the "Better Bounce Card" - It's cheap, easy to make and actually
> works pretty well. ?It looks a little goofy and you'll get some questions
> about it ;-) . ?I've used it at a couple weddings and the results were
> definitely much better than direct flash.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCmuExlHvM
>
> -p
>
>
> On 12/1/2010 3:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> On 12/1/2010 10:59 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps the closest thing to your wish is the widest bouncer/softbox you
>>> & your flash can hold. Mind it will eat some flash power.
>>> See here: http://www.lumiquest.com/products.htm
>>>
>>> Dario
>>
>> Thank you, Dario. I will probably see what I can buy either from these
>> guys or off e-bay or even make myself.
>>
>> Boris
>>
>>
>
>
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From ldotters at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:55:12 2010
From: ldotters at gmail.com (Walter Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:55:12 -0600
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To:
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That's an interesting distinction in that the shots they're
interested in would probably best fit in the news/journalism genre, even
though they're being used in a book. There is definitely a timeliness
to them, but no relative rarity at all. In fact, they could undoubtedly
get on the internet and find countless similar shots -- albeit taken
with less attention to composition, white balance, focus, etc., and on
pocket-sized point & shoots.
-- Walt
On 12/1/2010 9:25 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Never worry about the aesthetic quality of a photograph when a
> prospective client is interested in it. That does not influence the
> price.
>
> What influences the price is what the photo editor wants for the
> project, whether the story editor and author concur with that, and how
> much money they have to spend on the project and the photographs.
>
> News photographs are a little different in that some photos are more
> valuable than others as a factor of the event, their rarity,
> timeliness, etc. I've only sold a little into the news/journalism
> marketplace (would like to do more work in that area ... it's fun and
> challenging).
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
>> Thanks, Godfrey. That's something I'll definitely have to file away for
>> future reference.
>>
>> But, I suspect the type of photographs you've sold for books would be of a
>> different sort than the ones they've expressed interest in -- which is to
>> say that the images themselves were of a compelling nature. The ones
>> they've asked about aren't visually compelling, or anything. It's just that
>> they happen to fit the particular theme that they're working. I can't help
>> wondering if that makes a considerable difference in the price they'd fetch.
>>
>> In other words, I suspect the images you sold to publishing houses last year
>> would cause the person reading the book to say, "Wow! What a nice photo!"
>> Whereas, the images Hachette has asked for would cause the reader to say,
>> "Hmm ... interesting sign that guy's holding there."
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2010 7:43 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> Last four book publication licenses (2010 records) I was paid for were
>>> $225, $250, $230, and $215 (full page, one language, non-exclusive
>>> use, typically one geo market). Book covers have gone for $300-450
>>> per. All per photo, typically with single edition press run
>>> stipulations (one of them was for all press runs for 10 years from
>>> date of license, renewable).
>>>
>>> Every prospective client will try to get the work for their
>>> publication for as little as possible, for attribution if they can get
>>> away with it.
>>>
>>> First things I ask any prospective client:
>>>
>>> - Do you use a published rate schedule for your photo purchases?
>>> - What is your budget for the photos to use in this publication project?
>>> - Do you have an in-house contract template for the usage license that
>>> I can review?
>>>
>>> Asking those questions puts the relationship on a business footing
>>> from which you can work profitably. Rates run all over the place, but
>>> any credible publisher worth working with will appreciate a
>>> professional attitude and respond accordingly.
>>
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From ldotters at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:02:04 2010
From: ldotters at gmail.com (Walter Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:02:04 -0600
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <1D85E821-FB8B-4668-A0FC-D668A6D0984B@visi.com>
References: <4CF58D1D.2000503@nc.rr.com> <5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net>
<1D85E821-FB8B-4668-A0FC-D668A6D0984B@visi.com>
Message-ID: <4CF6717C.3010307@gmail.com>
Oh, yeah. Given the prices on textbooks, I'd say the production
budget is a fairly secondary consideration. You probably should have
started out in the high six figures.
-- Walt
On 12/1/2010 8:46 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 18:57, paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> The ASMP is a scam. The dues are $335 a year, for which one gets basically nothing, other than unrealistic price scales and advice. Been there, done that.
>>
>> Asking for $300 could very well be a deal killer here. I wouldn't be surprised if the book publisher is hoping to get the pics for free or for a token amount. If he can get $150 for the three pics, he'll be doing very well. Credit will depend on the pubs style and guidelines. They either do or they don't provide a credit. It's generally not negotiable. Most magazines credit photos; many book publishers do not. Don't know why.
> Last time I sold a picture for one-time use in a textbook, it was for "Rights: Non-Exclusive, One-Time, English Language
> Distribution: World<20,000 Print and eBook" and I asked for (and got) $175.
>
> Then they wanted to use it in another book almost a year later... and I got $175 again. So....
>
> (This was with McGraw-Hill, who does have a budget for sure.)
>
> -Charles
>
> --
> Charles Robinson - charlesr at visi.com
> Minneapolis, MN
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
> http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson
>
>
From annsan at nyc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 11:03:18 2010
From: annsan at nyc.rr.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:03:18 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
References:
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Steven Desjardins wrote:
>My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>
>http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>
>
>
lol !- - nice composition... but could you lighten the shadows a bit
around the "lawyer" - it may just be my eyes but
I"m having trouble seeing him.
What zoo have you been visiting , Steve?
ann
From ldotters at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:04:31 2010
From: ldotters at gmail.com (Walter Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:04:31 -0600
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To:
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I feel pretty comfortable at $50-per. I don't think it's enough to
scare them off even if it is higher than they're willing to pay.
And, hey ... you never know. They could develop a conscience and
negotiate upward! ;-)
On 12/1/2010 8:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> Asking for $300 could very well be a deal killer here. I wouldn't be surprised if the book publisher is hoping to get the pics for free or for a token amount. If he can get $150 for the three pics, he'll be doing very well.
> Walt. I sold four pictures to our Chamber of Commerce last year, when
> they decided to up grade their map of Whitchurch-Stouffville. I asked
> for $50 each and we settled for 30 each. I was happy, they were happy,
> and Ronald McDonald was happymeal.
>
> Dave
>
From ldotters at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 11:11:11 2010
From: ldotters at gmail.com (Walter Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:11:11 -0600
Subject: What's the going rate?
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Hmm ... $335 a year.
At the moment, it's a bit beyond my range. I think I'd be better off
putting that money toward a car for the time being.
But, now I know what happened to Annie Leibovitz.
-- Walt
On 12/1/2010 9:18 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>
>>> From: paul stenquist
>>>
>>>> The ASMP is a scam. The dues are $335 a year, for which one gets
>>>> basically nothing, other than unrealistic price scales and advice.
>>>> Been there, done that.
>>> You may not think it's worth the money, but that doesn't make it a scam.
>> Most of the working pros I know consider it a scam. I don't think any of the NY Times photographers are ASMP members.
> I agree that its membership is overpriced, but ASMP does some very
> worthwhile things. Their copyright education materials, available free
> even to non-members, are excellent
> (http://asmp.org/content/registration-counts) and their "DP Bestflow"
> workflow and archiving initiative - sponsored by the Library of
> Congress should be required reading for all pros and anyone who has
> any notion of possibly going pro (http://www.dpbestflow.org/) and
> that's also free.
>
> But $335 per year for general membership is a bit much. I can't even
> justify the $225 annual fee for "Affiliate" membership that I could
> get as someone who teaches this stuff.
>
>
From drd1135 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 12:12:48 2010
From: drd1135 at gmail.com (Steven Desjardins)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:12:48 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
In-Reply-To: <4CF671C6.3060705@nyc.rr.com>
References:
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Message-ID:
The Animal Kingdom at Disneyworld.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>>
>>
>> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>>
>>
>
> lol ?!- ?- ?nice composition... but could you ?lighten the shadows a bit
> around the "lawyer" - ?it may just be my eyes but
> I"m having trouble seeing him.
>
> What zoo have you been visiting , Steve?
> ann
>
>
>
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From ntax at neovenator.com Wed Dec 1 12:15:17 2010
From: ntax at neovenator.com (John Celio)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:15:17 -0700
Subject: SD card deal again, this time on Amazon
Message-ID: <20101201101517.092a6f4f3da22346323dd79706136918.5f91d13884.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS8GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1291210797&sr=1-2&tag=dealswoot-20
Also available in 4, 16 and 32gb sizes.
Y'all ought to watch woot.com and deals.woot.com, that's where I've
found this deal and the one from the other day.
John
--
http://www.neovenator.com
http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio
From str at komkon.org Wed Dec 1 13:01:31 2010
From: str at komkon.org (Igor Roshchin)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:01:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: monitors
Message-ID: <201012011801.oB1I1VsU041837@trantor.komkon.org>
I am very happy with Dell 2410.
It has a reasonable quality/price ratio.
Igor
Gonz wrote:
>You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
>of 24" LCD monitors? I'm looking for a good 24" (or larger) monitor
>for photo-editing. I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
>very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
>was a bad choice. Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
>much of a difference?
From danmatyola at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 13:20:23 2010
From: danmatyola at gmail.com (Daniel J. Matyola)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:20:23 -0500
Subject: PESO: Cashel Ruins
Message-ID:
http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=28
Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse Always Welcome!
Dan
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 13:19:12 2010
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:19:12 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
Message-ID: <4CF691A0.7040909@nc.rr.com>
From: Boris Liberman
> Hi!
>
> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
> Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
> little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
> empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
> from the distance.
>
> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
> ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
> much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
> shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>
> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
> the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
> ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
> to all things flash.
>
Something like this might help.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/544390-REG/LumiQuest_LQ_104.html
From danmatyola at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 13:28:19 2010
From: danmatyola at gmail.com (Daniel J. Matyola)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:28:19 -0500
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Excellent work! (and a very good model as well ).
Dan
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 AM, David Mann wrote:
> One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling Harbour. ?Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
>
> http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 13:33:36 2010
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:33:36 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
Message-ID: <4CF69500.3080008@nc.rr.com>
Plus you have to take into account when the jubilee occurs.
From: "Bob W"
> problem with that is it takes 40 years to get the slaves to Israel...
>
>> >
>> > Buy some cheap slaves and set them up near the stage.
>> >
>> > "Boris Liberman" wrote:
>> >
>>> > >Hi!
>>> > >
>>> > >The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs
>> > at Galia's
>>> > >class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the little
>>> > >musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall
>> > was empty I
>>> > >could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots from the
>>> > >distance.
>>> > >
>>> > >My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
>>> > >auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into
>> > account the crop
>>> > >factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall
>> > wasn't the ideal
>>> > >surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was
>> > too much to
>>> > >play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed shots
>>> > >but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>>> > >
>>> > >Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent
>> > during the
>>> > >shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd
>> > rather ask
>>> > >someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total
>> > klutz to all
>>> > >things flash.
>>> > >
>>> > >Thanks.
>>> > >
>>> > >--
>>> > >Boris
From annsan at nyc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 13:35:26 2010
From: annsan at nyc.rr.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:35:26 -0500
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
References:
Message-ID: <4CF6956E.8070005@nyc.rr.com>
David Mann wrote:
>One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling Harbour. Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
>
>http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
>
>Cheers,
>Dave
>
>
hehe - really cute -- I'd call him Cuddle fish . shooting in aquarium
is soooo tough too
ann
From pdml at paper-ape.com Wed Dec 1 13:36:03 2010
From: pdml at paper-ape.com (steve harley)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:36:03 -0700
Subject: SD card deal again, this time on Amazon
In-Reply-To: <20101201101517.092a6f4f3da22346323dd79706136918.5f91d13884.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
References: <20101201101517.092a6f4f3da22346323dd79706136918.5f91d13884.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <4CF69593.6080504@paper-ape.com>
On 2010-12-01 10:15 , John Celio wrote:
> Y'all ought to watch woot.com and deals.woot.com, that's where I've
> found this deal and the one from the other day.
there are several other websites catering to the deal-obsessed; the one
i watch most is dealmac.com, but it has a non-Mac-oriented partner at
dealnews.com (and dealram.com is handy, but i've sometimes found a
better price than they listed)
the usual buyer-bewares apply -- i would hesitate to patronize some of
the vendors that i see listed on dealnews
From annsan at nyc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 13:37:08 2010
From: annsan at nyc.rr.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:37:08 -0500
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
References: <4CF671C6.3060705@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4CF695D4.8080609@nyc.rr.com>
Steven Desjardins wrote:
>The Animal Kingdom at Disneyworld.
>
oy.
ann
>
>On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
>
>>Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>lol !- - nice composition... but could you lighten the shadows a bit
>>around the "lawyer" - it may just be my eyes but
>>I"m having trouble seeing him.
>>
>>What zoo have you been visiting , Steve?
>>ann
>>
>>
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From allaround6 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 1 14:14:06 2010
From: allaround6 at earthlink.net (Paul Sorenson)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:14:06 -0600
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4CF69E7E.4080606@earthlink.net>
Beat me to it, too. :-[
Couldn't get all the family together tonight, so Friday it's brisket and
lots of latkes for us. Yummmm!
-p
On 12/1/2010 7:50 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Frank,
> You beat me to it!
> Happy Hanukah to all.
> Bob& Lynn
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
>> it's already started.
>>
>> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
>> home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
>>
>> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>>
>> Happy Hannukah,
>> Judy and Frank
>>
>> --
>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>>
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From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 14:19:51 2010
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:19:51 -0500
Subject: What's the going rate?
Message-ID: <4CF69FD7.4070008@nc.rr.com>
From: Walter Gilbert
> Hmm ... $335 a year.
>
> At the moment, it's a bit beyond my range. I think I'd be better off
> putting that money toward a car for the time being.
>
> But, now I know what happened to Annie Leibovitz.
>
> -- Walt
I spend more than $335 a year just on coffee, and I don't even drink
Starbucks. I'm talking McDonalds/Dunkin Donuts/Quickie Mart prices here.
You can join the first year as an Emerging Associate at $140/year. After
the first year you can be an Associate as a Professional with less than
3 years publication experience, part-time professional or
non-professional at $225/year.
Best deal is as a Student Associate. You can join at $45/year and can
remain a Student Associate for one year after graduation before moving
up to the Emerging Associate level for the next year, and then on to
Associate member for the next three years.
And you may never get to the General Membership level where the dues are
$335/year.
I think Annie has other money management issues beyond the cost of ASMP
dues.
From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 14:32:22 2010
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:32:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
In-Reply-To: <4CF6956E.8070005@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <622517.20066.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Really well caught, Dave! Best possible angle.
Jack
--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> From: Ann Sanfedele
> Subject: Re: PESO: Cuttlefish
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 10:35 AM
> David Mann wrote:
>
> >One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling
> Harbour.? Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was
> pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
> >
> >http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Dave
> >?
> >
> hehe - really cute -- I'd call him Cuddle fish .?
> shooting in aquarium
> is soooo tough too
>
> ann
>
>
>
>
>
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Wed Dec 1 14:47:40 2010
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (P N Stenquist)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:47:40 -0500
Subject: What's the going rate?
In-Reply-To: <4CF69FD7.4070008@nc.rr.com>
References: <4CF69FD7.4070008@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6EAD1F56-2E87-435A-BC97-3225E7A1F08C@comcast.net>
On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:19 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Walter Gilbert
>
>> Hmm ... $335 a year.
>>
>> At the moment, it's a bit beyond my range. I think I'd be better off
>> putting that money toward a car for the time being.
>>
>> But, now I know what happened to Annie Leibovitz.
>>
>> -- Walt
>
>
> I spend more than $335 a year just on coffee, and I don't even drink Starbucks. I'm talking McDonalds/Dunkin Donuts/Quickie Mart prices here.
>
> You can join the first year as an Emerging Associate at $140/year. After the first year you can be an Associate as a Professional with less than 3 years publication experience, part-time professional or non-professional at $225/year.
>
> Best deal is as a Student Associate. You can join at $45/year and can remain a Student Associate for one year after graduation before moving up to the Emerging Associate level for the next year, and then on to Associate member for the next three years.
>
> And you may never get to the General Membership level where the dues are $335/year.
>
> I think Annie has other money management issues beyond the cost of ASMP dues.
And any of those memberships will get you....well....nothing.
Those who hire photographers couldn't care less if their ASMP members. They just want to see a portfolio.
Paul
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 1 14:52:37 2010
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Ken Waller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:37 -0500
Subject: PESO: 'Topsy Turvey'
References: <003201cb9027$3c64e2c0$8b24e504@kena60ebc3b689>
Message-ID: <007b01cb9191$4f61b540$7224e504@kena60ebc3b689>
Thanks Steve.
The focal point of the Angels show is midway on the south shore of west bay.
For years I shot from the side, a fair distance away thinking I'd have more
chance of capturing the action. I generally shot the 600 from that vantage
point.
This past year I was very close to the center of the action and got way more
keepers than ever before - and they were all hand held with the 300. Both
locations required following the action with the camera to the eye cause
they move so fast you'd have no chance of getting it right if you didn't.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Desjardins"
Subject: Re: PESO: 'Topsy Turvey'
Great shot. It's not like you have much control over you POV here, so
nice timing.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> Excellent.
>
> Nice rich colours/.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM, wrote:
>> Taken over the East Bay at Traverse City, Michigan during the Blue
>> Angel's
>> practice for their Cherry Festival show over the July 4th holiday..
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12022380
>>
>> K20D, 300mm f4.5 FA - 1/1000, f7.1, 400 ISO - handheld
>>
>> Comments appreciated
>>
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
From miserere at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:53:21 2010
From: miserere at gmail.com (Miserere)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:53:21 -0500
Subject: K-5, ISO 12800 & beer bottle to play guitar!
In-Reply-To:
References: <6DC15099-62B5-4580-A49E-77C48AC5DE7C@comcast.net>
<669024.53633.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
On 25 November 2010 13:16, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> I find this picture quite fascinating in more than one way:
> www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5_00898_1.jpg
>
> K-5, ISO 12800, 1/200s f/4, Sigma 17-70mm @70mm f/4 (full aperture) focused
> on the guitar.
>
> Dario
Nice picture in any version, although I liked the -1EV the most.
Still, it's the pose and emotion that make it a great image, with the
lighting just a secondary factor IMO.
As for Larry's questions, when I've come across a picture like this
that was saturated in one colour channel, and I wanted to dial down
that colour, I've used the HSL sliders in ACR to desaturate that
channel and/or bring its luminosity down. Ideally, ACR would have a
'recovery' slider for each RGB channel, but until Adobe adds that
feature (and I'm sure they will), using the HSL controls is a viable
option.
Dario, good work here; thumbs up from me.
?M.
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 1 14:54:44 2010
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Ken Waller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:54:44 -0500
Subject: A Joey and his Attorney
References:
Message-ID: <008001cb9191$9ab28fb0$7224e504@kena60ebc3b689>
Good capture Steve, I only wish the 'attorney' was more distinct from the
background.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Desjardins"
Subject: Peso: A Joey and his Attorney
> My apologies to the PDML members of the legal persuasion.
>
> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/?action=view&current=kangaroo.jpg
>
> --
> Steve Desjardins
From miserere at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:55:12 2010
From: miserere at gmail.com (Miserere)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:55:12 -0500
Subject: PESO- Eiffel Tower
In-Reply-To: <222307.63549.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <222307.63549.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
On 28 November 2010 21:38, Rick Womer wrote:
> From my trip to Paris earlier this month, two views of the Eiffel Tower:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12017412
>
> and, for detail,
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12017411
>
> (K7, DA 16-45, ISO 1600, handheld)
>
> It is an utterly amazing structure.
>
> Rick
Hey Rick, I thought the K-7 couldn't be used above ISO 400. Good job
proving everyone wrong!
I prefer the first pic.
Cheers,
?M.
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http://EnticingTheLight.com
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 1 14:57:55 2010
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Ken Waller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:57:55 -0500
Subject: Happy Hanukkah
References:
Message-ID: <00b301cb9192$0c624290$7224e504@kena60ebc3b689>
What Dave said.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Re: Happy Hanukkah
What Bob said
Dave
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Frank,
> You beat me to it!
> Happy Hanukah to all.
> Bob & Lynn
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:44 AM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>> In about 10 hours it will be Hanukkah here. Somewhere in the world
>> it's already started.
>>
>> Tonight we're trying potato and broccoli latkes, vegan cholent and
>> home made macaroons for dessert. Should be yummy!
>>
>> Whatever you're having, enjoy this first night of lighting the Menorah.
>>
>> Happy Hannukah,
>> Judy and Frank
>>
>> --
>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
From miserere at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:01:48 2010
From: miserere at gmail.com (Miserere)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:01:48 -0500
Subject: White Balance on K-7
In-Reply-To: <4CF60DF9.3060608@gmail.com>
References: <201011301542.oAUFgUHS008147@trantor.komkon.org>
<4CF60DF9.3060608@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 1 December 2010 03:57, Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>>
>> Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed
>> it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very
>> consistent and the flash was not allowed at all.
>
> Igor, is it at all possible then to have you make a controlled experiment?
> Because if you do, you may have enough data to present to your Pentax
> service if you would have to send the camera in. Here, sometimes, you
> essentially need to prove to the service clerk that the camera is broken. As
> a side effect of this experiment, you may establish an interesting procedure
> and add yet another bit of knowledge for the common good.
>
> Boris
Boris,
This is the issue:
http://shutterfinger.typepad.com/shutterfinger/2010/08/automation-strikes-again.html
Igor might want to run a test similar to Gordon's to make sure his
camera is fine, but I suspect it is. This is simply a case of Pentax
trying to outsmart us, but they're going to have to try harder!
?M.
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 1 15:02:43 2010
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Ken Waller)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:02:43 -0500
Subject: What's the going rate?
References: <4CF58D1D.2000503@nc.rr.com><5496A9AF-A768-4814-8542-92CE5C487BD4@comcast.net><4CF5ADC8.5020203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01cb9192$c5fcc180$7224e504@kena60ebc3b689>
>Never worry about the aesthetic quality of a photograph when a
>prospective client is interested in it.
Boy it that ever true!
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: What's the going rate?
Never worry about the aesthetic quality of a photograph when a
prospective client is interested in it. That does not influence the
price.
What influences the price is what the photo editor wants for the
project, whether the story editor and author concur with that, and how
much money they have to spend on the project and the photographs.
News photographs are a little different in that some photos are more
valuable than others as a factor of the event, their rarity,
timeliness, etc. I've only sold a little into the news/journalism
marketplace (would like to do more work in that area ... it's fun and
challenging).
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
> Thanks, Godfrey. That's something I'll definitely have to file away for
> future reference.
>
> But, I suspect the type of photographs you've sold for books would be of a
> different sort than the ones they've expressed interest in -- which is to
> say that the images themselves were of a compelling nature. The ones
> they've asked about aren't visually compelling, or anything. It's just
> that
> they happen to fit the particular theme that they're working. I can't help
> wondering if that makes a considerable difference in the price they'd
> fetch.
>
> In other words, I suspect the images you sold to publishing houses last
> year
> would cause the person reading the book to say, "Wow! What a nice photo!"
> Whereas, the images Hachette has asked for would cause the reader to say,
> "Hmm ... interesting sign that guy's holding there."
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 11/30/2010 7:43 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> Last four book publication licenses (2010 records) I was paid for were
>> $225, $250, $230, and $215 (full page, one language, non-exclusive
>> use, typically one geo market). Book covers have gone for $300-450
>> per. All per photo, typically with single edition press run
>> stipulations (one of them was for all press runs for 10 years from
>> date of license, renewable).
>>
>> Every prospective client will try to get the work for their
>> publication for as little as possible, for attribution if they can get
>> away with it.
>>
>> First things I ask any prospective client:
>>
>> - Do you use a published rate schedule for your photo purchases?
>> - What is your budget for the photos to use in this publication project?
>> - Do you have an in-house contract template for the usage license that
>> I can review?
>>
>> Asking those questions puts the relationship on a business footing
>> from which you can work profitably. Rates run all over the place, but
>> any credible publisher worth working with will appreciate a
>> professional attitude and respond accordingly.
From miserere at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:03:57 2010
From: miserere at gmail.com (Miserere)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:03:57 -0500
Subject: Two more PESOs from Boris
In-Reply-To: <4CF341B2.9070205@gmail.com>
References: <4CF341B2.9070205@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 29 November 2010 01:01, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-55-ice-cream.html and
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-56-empty-street.html
>
> Be brutal and honest.
>
> Boris
I would stick to ice cream. Mmmmm...ice cream...
That said, I would have liked it straight on, not at an angle. But
then I'm autistic like that.
?M.
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From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 15:09:10 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:09:10 -0800
Subject: My book is up on blurb
In-Reply-To:
References: <14FDD85B-8667-4908-8B82-FB1B5A1DF6C6@red4est.com>
<20101201103914.1327935369@smtp.mac.com>
<052A7306-2D91-404B-ABAC-29D89955216F@red4est.com>
Message-ID:
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Cotty wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>
>> Hopefully this is even better:
>> http://www.blurb.com/books/1790067
>>
>> Not only did I come up with some improvements, but Ann also made some suggestions.
>> Whether or not it could be better still, I think that it's time to give up on polishing it and ship it.
>
> Looks great! And, yes, it's time to stop polishing and ship. Too much
> tinkering always spoils projects, I find.
>
> Now start working on the *next* one!
I already sort of have. I'm talking to musician friends about putting together a book of photos of musicians, in the hopes that that would encourage them, and their friends (or at least their moms) to buy one. The goal of those books would be more to get people who might pay me for gigs to see my work.
I do have a question for Mark. I was working on the assumption that I want lightroom to produce the jpeg in the size to be used by the blurb software, rather than having blurb resize the photos. Was I correct?
--
Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:09:44 2010
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:09:44 -0600
Subject: PESO: Cashel Ruins
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Dan,
Makes me want to go for a visit.
Regards, Bob S.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=28
>
> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse Always Welcome!
>
> Dan
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
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From derbyc at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 1 15:10:11 2010
From: derbyc at iinet.net.au (Derby Chang)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 07:10:11 +1100
Subject: OT GESO - Uchi lounge
Message-ID: <4CF6ABA3.4010107@iinet.net.au>
I am still digging the Nokton.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_12/10_12_uchi/index.htm
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From danmatyola at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:17:38 2010
From: danmatyola at gmail.com (Daniel J. Matyola)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:17:38 -0500
Subject: PESO: Cashel Ruins
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Thanks, Bob
Dan
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Dan,
> Makes me want to go for a visit.
> Regards, ?Bob S.
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=28
>>
>> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse Always Welcome!
>>
>> Dan
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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From mark at robertstech.com Wed Dec 1 15:22:21 2010
From: mark at robertstech.com (Mark Roberts)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:22:21 -0500
Subject: My book is up on blurb
In-Reply-To:
References: <14FDD85B-8667-4908-8B82-FB1B5A1DF6C6@red4est.com>
<20101201103914.1327935369@smtp.mac.com>
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Message-ID:
Larry Colen wrote:
>
>On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Now start working on the *next* one!
>
>I already sort of have. I'm talking to musician friends about putting together a book of photos of musicians, in the hopes that that would encourage them, and their friends (or at least their moms) to buy one. The goal of those books would be more to get people who might pay me for gigs to see my work.
>
>I do have a question for Mark. I was working on the assumption that I want lightroom to produce the jpeg
>in the size to be used by the blurb software, rather than having blurb resize the photos. Was I correct?
Lightroom would probably be better. I size everything in Photoshop,
because I have the ability to select the resizing algorithm (bicubic,
bicubic smoother, etc.) - there's no way of knowing what the Blurb
software is doing and I don't think you can select the algorithm in
Lightroom either.
Frankly, for something as critical as photos for a book, I'd always do
final editing in Photoshop rather than Lightroom.
From annsan at nyc.rr.com Wed Dec 1 15:35:52 2010
From: annsan at nyc.rr.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:35:52 -0500
Subject: My book is up on blurb
References: <14FDD85B-8667-4908-8B82-FB1B5A1DF6C6@red4est.com> <20101201103914.1327935369@smtp.mac.com> <052A7306-2D91-404B-ABAC-29D89955216F@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <4CF6B1A8.6060604@nyc.rr.com>
Larry Colen wrote:
>On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>
>
>>Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Cotty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 30/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hopefully this is even better:
>>>http://www.blurb.com/books/1790067
>>>
>>>Not only did I come up with some improvements, but Ann also made some suggestions.
>>>
I see you followed one :-) Naughty is a much better page
companion for Liking than the thistle..
>>>Whether or not it could be better still, I think that it's time to give up on polishing it and ship it.
>>>
>>>
>>Looks great! And, yes, it's time to stop polishing and ship. Too much
>>tinkering always spoils projects, I find.
>>
very true and I agree... it really does help at first , though, to
have a bunch of input from list friends -- I felt I got
lots of help with my Critters calendar too.
>>Now start working on the *next* one!
>>
>>
>
>I already sort of have. I'm talking to musician friends about putting together a book of photos of musicians, in the hopes that that would encourage them, and their friends (or at least their moms) to buy one. The goal of those books would be more to get people who might pay me for gigs to see my work.
>
>I do have a question for Mark. I was working on the assumption that I want lightroom to produce the jpeg in the size to be used by the blurb software, rather than having blurb resize the photos. Was I correct?
>
I don't know what Mark is going to say, but whatever you use I think the
way to maintain total aesthetic control over the pages in
any of these online book things is to make file take up a whole page to
drop in, full bleed, to the pages -
Nice thing about lulu over blurb is that you don't actually have to buy
a copy at all for yourself if you don't want to... you can just
download the pdf and proof it... it is a bit less expensive than blurb,
too.
I'd like to do another book as well, but not up to it just yet.
Congrats, Larry - hope you get some work!
ann
>
>
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From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 15:37:34 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:37:34 -0800
Subject: My book is up on blurb
In-Reply-To:
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On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> I do have a question for Mark. I was working on the assumption that I want lightroom to produce the jpeg
>> in the size to be used by the blurb software, rather than having blurb resize the photos. Was I correct?
>
> Lightroom would probably be better. I size everything in Photoshop,
> because I have the ability to select the resizing algorithm (bicubic,
> bicubic smoother, etc.) - there's no way of knowing what the Blurb
> software is doing and I don't think you can select the algorithm in
> Lightroom either.
I wouldn't even know which algorithm to choose, or why.
>
> Frankly, for something as critical as photos for a book, I'd always do
> final editing in Photoshop rather than Lightroom.
I am going to need to learn photoshop one of these days. This was supposed to be a quick and dirty job where I wasn't going to sweat every detail, lest I barely finish it in time for the holidays next year.
One of the things I did last night was add notes to some of the photos. For page 38, cormorants in love (page 16 is lawyers in love) I mention:
Cormorants are the official bird of the PDML, the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, a profligate source of good advice and bad puns.
I may have exaggerated the quality of advice available on the list.
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From derbyc at iinet.net.au Wed Dec 1 15:44:29 2010
From: derbyc at iinet.net.au (Derby Chang)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 07:44:29 +1100
Subject: My book is up on blurb
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On 1/12/2010 11:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> Thanks a bunch.
>
> Hopefully this is even better:
> http://www.blurb.com/books/1790067
>
> Not only did I come up with some improvements, but Ann also made some suggestions.
> Whether or not it could be better still, I think that it's time to give up on polishing it and ship it.
>
That's very enjoyable, Larry. Killer cover shot too
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From parsons.david at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 15:49:55 2010
From: parsons.david at gmail.com (David Parsons)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:49:55 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
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The spoon is for catchlights. The majority of the light is bounced
off the ceiling, and the spoon reflects enough light to make the eyes
sparkle. It does the same thing as the built-in bounce card on many
flashes.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Boris -
>>
>> Check out the "Better Bounce Card" - It's cheap, easy to make and actually
>> works pretty well. ?It looks a little goofy and you'll get some questions
>> about it ;-) . ?I've used it at a couple weddings and the results were
>> definitely much better than direct flash.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCmuExlHvM
>
> A friend of mine uses a large spoon rubber banded to the flash. Not
> sure how it works, but its a good ice breaker.
>
> Dave
>>
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From supera1000 at fastmail.fm Wed Dec 1 16:20:44 2010
From: supera1000 at fastmail.fm (Brian Walters)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:20:44 +1100
Subject: PESO: Cuttlefish
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:35 -0500, "Ann Sanfedele"
wrote:
> David Mann wrote:
>
> >One of our stops in Sydney was the aquarium at Darling Harbour. Cuttlefish are amazing creatures and I was pushing my luck to photograph them in the low light.
> >
> >http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney/cuttlefish/
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Dave
> >
> >
> hehe - really cute -- I'd call him Cuddle fish . shooting in aquarium
> is soooo tough too
>
When I was in WA last year we saw a cuttlefish in a pond at a marine
wildlife park. Apparently there was previously an octopus occupying the
same pond but the cuttlefish ate it.
Cuttlefish are lots of things, but 'cute' isn't one of them :-)>
Good shot Dave - an unusual and interesting composition. I would never
have picked it as a cuttlefish.
Cheers
Brian
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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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From lrc at red4est.com Wed Dec 1 16:27:56 2010
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:27:56 -0800
Subject: PESO: beam it up...
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On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Well done, sir... Now, please choose your new nick name - Scotty, Chief O'Brien or Geordi...
More like Barkley
:-)
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From knarftheriault at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 16:46:04 2010
From: knarftheriault at gmail.com (frank theriault)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:46:04 -0500
Subject: PESO - Guarding the Goods
Message-ID:
This little fellow, spotted in a store window a few nights ago, seems
to take his job very seriously:
http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/12/guarding-goods.html
Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
cheers,
frank
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From gdigiorgi at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 16:49:04 2010
From: gdigiorgi at gmail.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:49:04 -0800
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To:
References:
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I hate those shadows. Shooting in an auditorium or gymnasium, with
high ceilings and nothing useful to bounce against, these are always a
pain to work with. I've not found that the on-flash diffusers help
very much, even the LumiQuest big-bounce. Oh, they do help some, but
they're just not really big enough to spread the light out relative to
the subject.
My solution is a bit of business to manage, really should have an
assistant. I bought a 6x4 foot piece of semi-translucent white plastic
sheet at a local plastics supply shop and rigged a simple frame for it
using a boom, a lightstand and a couple sand bags ... liberally
treated with gaffers tape. I set it up over my position and pump the
flash up into it, aimed at the subject from as close a distance as I
can manage to get them all in the frame. If it's not enough light, I
put a couple more lights on stands pointed into it. (manual flash
techniques at that point...) With a couple of pops to get the exposure
right and a small flash pointed directly to get some sparkle, it helps
kill the black outlines.
It works well for group shots in those locations.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
>
> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
> Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
> little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
> empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
> from the distance.
>
> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
> ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
> much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
> shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>
> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
> the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
> ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
> to all things flash.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Boris
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From danmatyola at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 16:56:55 2010
From: danmatyola at gmail.com (Daniel J. Matyola)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:56:55 -0500
Subject: PESO - Guarding the Goods
In-Reply-To:
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Nice Catch, Frank, and very cute.
Dan
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM, frank theriault
wrote:
> This little fellow, spotted in a store window a few nights ago, seems
> to take his job very seriously:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/12/guarding-goods.html
>
> Hope you enjoy. ?Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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From parsons.david at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 17:14:29 2010
From: parsons.david at gmail.com (David Parsons)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:14:29 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Wouldn't it be tons easier to simply use an umbrella?
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I hate those shadows. Shooting in an auditorium or gymnasium, with
> high ceilings and nothing useful to bounce against, these are always a
> pain to work with. I've not found that the on-flash diffusers help
> very much, even the LumiQuest big-bounce. Oh, they do help some, but
> they're just not really big enough to spread the light out relative to
> the subject.
>
> My solution is a bit of business to manage, really should have an
> assistant. I bought a 6x4 foot piece of semi-translucent white plastic
> sheet at a local plastics supply shop and rigged a simple frame for it
> using a boom, a lightstand and a couple sand bags ... liberally
> treated with gaffers tape. I set it up over my position and pump the
> flash up into it, aimed at the subject from as close a distance as I
> can manage to get them all in the frame. If it's not enough light, I
> put a couple more lights on stands pointed into it. (manual flash
> techniques at that point...) With a couple of pops to get the exposure
> right and a small flash pointed directly to get some sparkle, it helps
> kill the black outlines.
>
> It works well for group shots in those locations.
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> The holidays are coming near and I'm having a couple of gigs at
>> Galia's class. One involved shooting the general rehearsal of the
>> little musical they've been making. Given the fact that the hall was
>> empty I could shoot as I pleased. So I also shot a number of shots
>> from the distance.
>>
>> My flash is Metz 40 MZ-2 which is a good flash. In particular it
>> auto-zooms as per the actual focal length taking into account the crop
>> factor of the camera. However, the ceiling of the hall wasn't the
>> ideal surface for bouncing and the distance (10m and upwards) was too
>> much to play the bounce game. So I ended up with many properly exposed
>> shots but with this ugly shadow behind everyone and everything.
>>
>> Is there a way to at least make these shadows less prominent during
>> the shoot? I reckon the likes of diffuser are necessary but I'd rather
>> ask someone who has direct experience with this, as I am total klutz
>> to all things flash.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
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>>
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Wed Dec 1 17:31:35 2010
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (P N Stenquist)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:31:35 -0500
Subject: Question about flash photography
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