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Topic: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2] (Read 14225 times)

Whatâ€™s coming?
Last weeks mention of a 1D Mark V spec list was for the most part dismissed by yours truly. The spec list just seemed too detailed. However, my mind could be changing with new information that has trickled in over the last couple of weeks.

Itâ€™s looking more and more like a camera will be announced by Canon in 2011, however it may not be available until the new year.

What I do know

The next EOS camera will NOT be a 5D Mark III.

The next EOS camera will probably not be a 1Ds Mark IV. Probably is the key word here, it could change.

The next EOS camera will not be an APS-C camera.

Whatâ€™s left?
A new model camera introduced to the lineup, or a replacement of a current camera. Iâ€™m currently leaning towards a replacement of the 1D Mark IV.

Line amalgamation of the 1D and 1Ds? Maybe not in the literal sense weâ€™ve been told. However, they couldÃ‚ definitelyÃ‚ take on the same form factor. By making the Mark V a full frame camera. That would lower production costs, tooling and everything else that comes with sharing parts across camera models.

A Loose 1D Mark V spec list based on multiple pieces of information

Full Frame

16-20mp Range

Native ISO 51,200

Dual DIGIC V

Frame Rate Unknown

EOS Video Features Unknown.

October 18 coincides with previous mentions of an announcement the third week of October. The rumor last week from DCI also mentions October 18, as does the CPS invite in The Netherlands.

If this is coming in 10 days, I expect to see a lot more info coming my way.

niccyboy

I really doubt from a marketing perspective they would release a FF 1 series pro camera with equal or lower MP than the predecessors. Or one that doesn't equal or better the 3 year old D3x.

I know that there are so many arguments disputing the relevance of megapixel counts. But from a sales and branding perspective, being in line or ahead of your previous line and competitors and the continuation of a progression in increasing MP (that the average consumer watches) is important.

It isn't just the pros that look at 1d releases and pro camera releases... many rebel and 7d level consumers/prosumers follow these cameras, just as we all look at ferraris yet drive bmws/fords etc.

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gene_can_sing

Here's a really strange thought. Why not just release the camera that everyone wants (5D3)? Then everyone will go out and millions of them. Release the camera that only a few people want (1D), you will sell very few of them and just piss off your customer base.

I really doubt from a marketing perspective they would release a FF 1 series pro camera with equal or lower MP than the predecessors. Or one that doesn't equal or better the 3 year old D3x.

I know that there are so many arguments disputing the relevance of megapixel counts. But from a sales and branding perspective, being in line or ahead of your previous line and competitors and the continuation of a progression in increasing MP (that the average consumer watches) is important.

It isn't just the pros that look at 1d releases and pro camera releases... many rebel and 7d level consumers/prosumers follow these cameras, just as we all look at ferraris yet drive bmws/fords etc.

I guess I tend to disagree on what the average consumer is watching. I think the consumers that can afford a 1x are going to be saavy enough to understand MPs are not the defining factor, and those that can't afford it simply look at "what brand are the pros are shooting?" or else ignore the top end altogether.

Personally I tend to doubt the MP would be that low as well, but I'm also willing to say it's not out of the question if the rest of the performance is over the top.

Leopard Lupus

From my personal thoughts: Canon is long overdue for the release of camera body that appeals to the higher-end consumer (yes, I am classifying the 5D mk ll as a consumer body) but at the same time I can understand the need to update the smaller margin of professional line bodies. However, with a new affordable body ( 5D mk lll or not) would Canon really toss the upcoming holiday season out the window for a less desired, expensive pro body?

Hey, there is a lot more light out there than the current EOS are catching... I hope this one will improve precisely on this issue.Weren't there rumours about shaking up the Canon lineup some months ago - there we go. The problem is we mere mortals will have to wait until the Canon shake-quake is over to find out what we can afford and what is reasonable.

BTW when does this contest finish so that I can read the really important stuff here?

Two full-frame 1 series bodies, 1.3 crop sensor is gone, maybe to be revived down the road as a pro-sumer sensor. Why not?

1DV gets full frame, 20 megapixels, 10 frames/sec, for around $5k. Clean enough you can crop down if you want, something I personally found wanting in the 1Ds3. There will always be demand for this price point, it hits a comfort zone that's well established. Not every working photog or agency can afford to pay for one or more flagship bodies.

1DsV full frame, of course, around 4 or 5 frames/sec, mid-30's plus megapixels, sees introduction of some new trend setting tech. Bumps up to $9K or $10K. Maybe $12K if it's a serious MF challenger (in terms of file size)We can assume the earthquake interrupted the staging of new models. If production was so compromised on components of existing models (have ya tried to buy a new 1DIV lately?) that restarting wasn't realistic, then the 1DV suggested in the thread doesn't seem so outta left field to me....

I really doubt from a marketing perspective they would release a FF 1 series pro camera with equal or lower MP than the predecessors. Or one that doesn't equal or better the 3 year old D3x.

I know that there are so many arguments disputing the relevance of megapixel counts. But from a sales and branding perspective, being in line or ahead of your previous line and competitors and the continuation of a progression in increasing MP (that the average consumer watches) is important.

It isn't just the pros that look at 1d releases and pro camera releases... many rebel and 7d level consumers/prosumers follow these cameras, just as we all look at ferraris yet drive bmws/fords etc.

I guess I tend to disagree on what the average consumer is watching. I think the consumers that can afford a 1x are going to be saavy enough to understand MPs are not the defining factor, and those that can't afford it simply look at "what brand are the pros are shooting?" or else ignore the top end altogether.

Personally I tend to doubt the MP would be that low as well, but I'm also willing to say it's not out of the question if the rest of the performance is over the top.

I understand what you are saying. I'm not talking about the consumers that will actually purchase it. i know a lot of my clients, and their representatives... art directors, creative directors, designers, stylists, journalists etc... they all have the consumer level cameras, and a lot of them talk to me about the gear and specs.

The consumers I am talking about are the XX & XXD consumers. They can't necessarily afford the Xds but they know what they are, and often basic specs.... they don't however know that MP isn't the be all and end all. But to them... the MP number increasing from model to model is logically an improvement.

Now the reason I mention these people is, the flagship range still represents canon's image and i think it does make a difference when it comes to whether they buy the 7dmk2 or the d7xxx... That's what i mean about the marketing perspective, I'm not talking about actual consumers buying it, they would be idiots not to actually know what they were purchasing.

HOWEVER.. if this does has some monster frame rate that or some other HUGE improvement on other features from the previous 1d models then it could obviously be plausible.

Or as someone else mentioned it could be the mythical entry level full frame or dedicated video FF dslr.

It does seem foolish not to refresh any of the pro line cameras, 1 and 5 are both due... but if they haven't released it, surely it's for a reason now... I think, pre-christmas 5dmk3 release would be a smart move... ( i don't think many people would get a 1 series for xmas, if so, i need friends like them haha)

Edited to fix my typos.

« Last Edit: October 11, 2011, 12:01:45 AM by niccyboy »

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Henry

Have to admit that just about any pro level camera that Canon comes out with - I'm going to buy . Unless of course it's not full frame! So a 1D Mark V at a competitive price will make everyone happy ($3,000) - OK maybe a dream. Let's face it, we all want the new 5D MK 3 to beat the Nikon D800 in specs (36 MP) and in price! Just look at the new Sony 24 MP (not full frame), 12 fps, articulated LCD, GPS $1,500 & 16-50 f/2.8 for about $650 (it's no L lens but then again $$$).

This all raises the bar for Canon - they're not idiots or we all wouldn't be using Canon equipment.

Canon 14-24

I recall back, people were wishing for a 60d, but instead got a split in the line up with a new 7d first (with a couple folks balking at the initial price above their range) and then months later received a 60d that some felt underwhelmed too.

Could it be Canon possibly pulling a similar move with a new FF model with superior AF and then later release the 5d3 or are we going to get a curve ball with a non dslr or mirrorless model at this upcoming potential announcement?