Thursday, 28 November 2013

Response to Doctor Tauheed: Who truly bears man's sins?

Although this particular individual I am no longer harsh with, the same going for Shadid Lewis, Jonah94 and Muslim4life, and instead want to be civil to them rather than treat them harshly as I did in the past, I still need to respond their objections but with meekness and gentleness.

DoctorTauheed is a muslim apologist, who can be found in the Answering Christianity room.

Here is an assertion he made in an article with respect to two Christians he dialogued with:

"Bismillah.

Sinless Jesus

Christians say Jesus was the only sinless human being…ever. There was no sinless man before him and none after. They say because of this *sinlesseness* he was able to bear the sins/iniquities of others.

All Christian doctrine is based on this. If there was someone else who bore the sins of another this would place the Christian doctrine in the garbage.

This would mean that there was another sinless person because they bore the sins of one or more persons.

I asked two Christians in a chat room if I could prove from the Bible that someone else bore the sins of another; proving that Jesus was not the only sinless one, if they would become Muslim. After much huffing and hawing they agreed on the principle that since their doctrine was soundly based on Jesus being the only sinless person and the only one who could bear sins, that it was impossible that there was another who could hold *bearer of sins* position. In essence to use an analogy, they were agreeing their religion was red, and anything else would make it blue, or, to use an animal analogy, they were saying that their religion was cow, and anything else would make it bull.

So they finally agreed to the offer, knowing that to not agree would mean that they doubted a fundamental part of their religion.

So Doctor Tauheed, believing the words of the *God fearing* only Christ sin bearing Christians ; happy that two people insha Allah were on the verge of entering the Tawheed of Islam proceeded to present them with the incontrovertible proof that someone else was a bearer of another’s sins hence being sinless himself.

Ezekiel 4: 4/5/6 :

NIV (1984) ez 4:4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the house of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side.

NLT (2007)ez 4:5 I am requiring you to bear Israel’s sins for 390 days–one day for each year of their sin.

And as if this wasn’t enough he lay down on his right side and bore the sins of Judah .

Ezekiel 4:6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the house of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.

There was an awkward silence for quite a while then one Christian made a rude comment and left the room, the other said nothing and silently exited the room . Haven’t heard from him since.

They are not interested in the truth. Pride and arrogance at its best.

Insha Allah may the Christians who see this come to the truth and may any *ex Muslim* turned Christian see this and hurry back to the truth and its propagation before it’s too late.

Allah guides and blesses who He wills. May Allah accept this work Ameen.

Doctor Tauheed"

Let's begin with the facts, Ezekiel was not functioning as an atonement in the context of Ezekiel 4. Let's read the whole chapter:

"4 “Now, son of man, take a block of clay, put it in front of you and draw the city of Jerusalem on it. 2 Then lay siege to it: Erect siege works against it, build a ramp up to it, set up camps against it and put battering rams around it. 3 Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the people of Israel.4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself.[a] You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5 I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year. 7 Turn your face toward the siege of Jerusalem and with bared arm prophesy against her. 8 I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other until you have finished the days of your siege.9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side. 10 Weigh out twenty shekels[b] of food to eat each day and eat it at set times. 11 Also measure out a sixth of a hin[c] of water and drink it at set times. 12 Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.” 13 The Lord said, “In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.”14 Then I said, “Not so, Sovereign Lord! I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No impure meat has ever entered my mouth.”15 “Very well,” he said, “I will let you bake your bread over cow dung instead of human excrement.”16 He then said to me: “Son of man, I am about to cut off the food supply in Jerusalem. The people will eat rationed food in anxiety and drink rationed water in despair, 17 for food and water will be scarce. They will be appalled at the sight of each other and will waste away because of[d] their sin."

Ezekiel did this as a symbolic demonstration of how the nation was corrupt and fallen and showing how long they had sinned for, by lying on his side. He also was to cook his food over dung to show this fact that the nation had defiled themselves by idolatry. He was not paying for the sins of the people of Israel. That is is a misuse of the context and sadly I wish those two Christians would actually take the time to read this. DoctorTauheed's point vanishes when you read the context.

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