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Endgame (SPOILERS!!!)

Kimi

SPOILERS!! DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM!! (I'll keep typing more so that nothing shows up in the preview. I'll also put my feelings in a reply so it doesn't show up either!)
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What did you think?

Fredrix

Loved it.

UselessTriviaMan

This movie.

I loved this movie SO GODDAMN MUCH.

I've already talked most of the giddy squee-ing out already with coworkers and friends, but as a lifelong Marvel fan I walked out of there extremely satisfied. Twice.

SPOILERS BELOW. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. TWICE.

The comedy was on point. There were so many wonderful one-liners. Ant Man had most of 'em (but certainly not all).

My hands-down favorite Marvel character has always been Captain America. I absolutely loved his ending. And I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when the big mid-battle reveal happened with the hammer. There were a lot of people in the theater who started cheering a bit at that point, and I was definitely one of 'em.

My nephew was a bit crushed by Tony Stark's death. He equated it (for me) to the death of Han Solo a coupla movies back. (That one hit hard for me the first time through. I genuinely cried a bit at the loss of one of my childhood heroes.) I thought it made perfect sense story-wise, and it was handled beautifully.

I loved the poignant closure moments given to Thor, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers.

I'm not sure I can point at anything I didn't like about this movie, to be honest. I might still be a bit biased.

Kimi

UselessTriviaMan I loved the time travel stuff although I was totally expecting to hate it. Seeing them all interact with their pasts was a great way to remind us of their humanity after so many CGI fights before. I loved that we saw Agent Carter again, although I would have loved for her to maybe have more lines. Loved Capt's ending. I was fine with Tony's although it seemed... a little forced?

There were SO many plot holes, but there isn't really a way to avoid that with time travel. It's a comic book movie so I'm not super worried about that.

My only real complaint is how they continue to treat women. There was the one, pandering, girl-power moment (that also showed how deep they had to dig to get a handful of women characters together) but for the most part they really continued their tradition of brushing women aside to focus on their (mostly white) male characters. After they get the stones, there is a whole scene of them talking about what to do and it really struck me how it's basically a bunch of dudes deciding what they think is best for the whole world. Not a single woman is in the room.

Then later, they spend a huge amount of screen time on Tony's death, people crying for him, and his funeral. Nat gets a back flip, a shot of her dead at the bottom of a cliff and a few lines of dialogue thrown in here and there. The one female character that the MCU has given any importance to since the beginning, the Avenger who was holding it all together for the 5 years after Infinity War while everyone else handled their own feelings, and she dies alone at the bottom of a cliff. Then nobody even gives her a funeral or wreath in the water.

Joecrak

I used to feel that way, but after finding out the official rules, I'm much more comfortable with the continuity of what happened.

Joecrak

Gonna see it for the second time today, but I loved it more once I figured out how the time travel actually works, and what all actually happened.

Ayslyn

The biggest that I can think of off the top of my head is the fact that the Thanos they fought was the one from the past. From before he collected the stones, and SNAPPED. So, the very act that precipitated their need for the stones was erased from the timeline. Thanos dies having never collected the stones and erasing half the universe....

Joecrak

Ayslyn not exactly. Based off dialogue, and interviews with the directors, the time travel they use is similar, if not exactly like time travel from 616.

Spoilers abound, but y'all knew that already.
Specifically as mentioned in the Hulk story "Future Imperfect", where Banner Hulk recites a conference in which reed Richards describes every instance of time travel is actually travelling to an alternate reality, hence why Maestro has no memory of going forward in time and meeting an older version of himself, because he didn't.

The directors confirmed this in an interview by saying Old cap spent the rest of his days in a different reality/universe/timeline.

So by that logic the 2014 Thanos that dies in 2023, is from a different reality, one that no longer has to deal with Thanos.

The Ancient One scene sort of confuses the idea of the multi timelines, but her line to Hulk sort of solidifies it:

"If I were to give you this stone to save your reality, id be dooming my own", I think this confirms her being not from their actual past, but a universe in which is so similar to be almost exact.

So based off of that we know there are a bunch of different timelines/realities that move forward.

2012 where Hydra dudes think Cap is part of Hydra, even though their cap doesn't know about it, yet he knows Bucky is alive.

A 70s Howard Stark that might act completely different as a father to a young Tony, as well as Hank Pym possibly finding out his Pym particles were stolen, which could change his course of action.

2014 where Thanos and nebula are dead, and their Gamora never meets her reality's Quill as she's in a different reality now. So Ronan might mess up that universe.

Theres a bunch.

Ayslyn

Joecrak It's shit like this that causes an.... infinite number of crisis..... <.< >.>

hurmmm…. It won't display my ascii smile...

#DC4life!

Kimi

Joecrak I have a headache just reading this. You explain it well, but it doesn't really make them seem like the "good guys" to be doing that....

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

Doesn't matter, Cap is worthy, all arguments are invalid.

Vyrrk

Hmmm... I'm not really sure what to say. I like 2 kinds of movies... GREAT movies like Godfather, Fight Club Casablanca or super FUN movies like Pacific Rim, Hellboy2, etc. That being said, most MCU movies have fallen into the fun category (If they are lucky). Endgame, I honestly thought was a GREAT movie. Could it have stood on its own as a movie. No. It needed all the back story and 10 years of us all watching these characters. But that doesn't diminish the amazingly created movie that tugged on parts of my emotions that I never expected. No scene felt wasted. I feel like we all witnessed the peak of the MCU. Let us all enjoy it and see if in 10 years they can do something even CLOSE to this again.

Joecrak

Kimi I think the avengers, specifically, don't quite know the effect they will be having on some of the timelines.

They also originally planned to go in and grab the stones without messing anything up, and putting them back an instant after they took them.

They couldn't plan on 2014 nebula accessing 2023 Nebula, which brought that universes Thanos and Gamora to them. This seems, on the surface, the most depressing of the changes they make.

2012 B, is now changed due to Loki escaping with the tesseract, so its unclear how depressing that reality would be.

We might find out in the Loki tv series?

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

Kimi Oh, the Avengers have done a lot worse in the comics. The last "Age of Ultron" story arc had Wolverine and the remainder of the Fantastic Four going into the past to kill Hank Pym so that Ultron is never created and doesn't take over the planet. This fractures reality so much we got Neil Gaiman heroes in the Marvel Universe now.

EricaOdd

I saw this last night, and I will say that I did not like the resolution. I understand where Tony Stark was coming from, but honestly hitting the "undo" button would have been more merciful, IMO. Some scenarios that are all too likely in "just bringing everyone back"...

A wife loses her husband (or vice-versa) to the Snap. She mourns. She moves on. Remarries... husband comes back. Now what?

Parents lose a child to the Snap. Parents end it all in overwhelming grief. Child comes back to no parents. Now what?

People overcome with the horror of the Snap get into drugs, alcohol, etc. to deal with the despair. Their lives are ruined. (This was sort of touched on with Thor, but played for comedy... this is in no way funny).

The world economy and political stability was no doubt fundamentally upended and might not recover.

Spend just a little while thinking about this, and you can come up with all kinds of nightmare scenarios for the people who survived as well as those who came back.

People across the universe, not just Earth, dealt with unimaginable trauma for five years. "Just bringing everyone back" wouldn't fix any of that.

Joecrak

EricaOdd Tony has never really been the good avenger, or the selfless one.

Let's not forget, he's the one that also committed genocide.

EricaOdd

But come to think of it I guess all those discussions about how time travel works and doesn't work means that a reset button wasn't really possible anyway. They'd just jump to a different reality. That's on the writers though, not the characters.

I'm still not happy with the resolution. Overall I liked the movie, but that one major part just sits wrong with me.

Azhrei_Vep

So, you're saying they technically achieved their victory, but left everything in a dangerous state of chaos?

You mean, the kind that is just begging for super-powered or technologically advanced individuals of dubious moral fiber to step in and take advantage of?

Ayslyn

I refuse to live in a world where anything by Neil is considered a bad thing.... .