that highly varies. some times it's read as: 1 does he bed THAT easy? or 2. OMg he really likes me. to 3. Damn what a slut. so ikinda leave the first date open to a serious lip lock session, IF i'm seriously serious.

Why rush it? Let the first date unfold and keep things at a sane pace. It seems so frustrating that so many guys want to cram as many of the memorable or big moments into a short time frame - then wonder why they end up bored and broken up.

The sex will be so much better too if you wait and get to know one another first and really find out whether or not you're in to each other.

The Swedes totally would. One anthropological account could be best summed up as: "Well if the sex sucks, then finding that out right away saves a lot of time and heartbreak; sometimes it's best to just be friends."

Since I'm of the opinion that sex in a relationship is often (but not always) more of a bell curve, I'd hesitate to sign on to that completely. But I'd hate to get too caught up in heterosexual baggage by projecting it on my own relationships.

That is personal preference. Personally, I don't want to give it all away on the first date. The guy will probably get a kiss, but a passionate makeout is the farthest I would go. Other people will say sex is a must on the first date, so you really just have to figure it out for yourself.

I don't see how you can even know you want to have a lasting relationship with (platonic or romatic) and you haven't even had a date yet.

I've done both. You kind of already know if you're going to sleep together before the first date, so to call it a date is just a formality. You can get sex without all that. So, if you like someone enough to date them, then wait. Waiting with someone you really like reifies the intimacy between you two, even if the sex itself isn't that great.

If you sleep together the first date you run into the issue of being labeled as easy. The other person thinks, 'if he did that with me, he'll do it with others.' All the while, he disregards the obvious fact that he did it as well. The hypocrisy doesn't really matter because he's glossed over the 'getting to know you' part and put you in the 'fuck buddy' pile.

Last piece of advice: don't think you have to model yourself after any gay lifestyle. If you treat others with respect you'll find the kind of guy you WANT to wait for.