Received my 4th bitcoin cash out yesterday. Took a little longer then usual but I understand bitinstant was partly to blame as their site maintenance has caused a lot of delays in processing.

I do want to make a comment regarding ZeckoRiver. This guy spammed multiple forums for like 4 days straight with mostly misinformation while complaining that a promotional freeroll got moved over a month for not meeting minimum entry requirements. I am not even exaggerating here... 3 or 4 days of posts like this (i'm sure there were several more in this thread that got deleted but these still remain here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=665:

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I RAKED 50 VIP POINTS COST ME 70 BUCKS TO PLAY THE 500 FREEROLL DEOPOSIT AND THESE CROOKS CANCELD IT . 11 MINIMUM FOR A GUARATNTED 500 FREEROLL THEY HAD ME DEPOSIT ON THE GUISE IT WAS INSTANT DEPOSIT AND I WOULD PLAY 500 FREEROLL NICE SCAM SITE

IT HAS BEEN LISTED FOR THE WHOLE MONTH AND THEY JUST CANCLED THE 500 THEY OFFERED FOR DEPOSITING 100 DOLLARS I AM BEYOND LIVID THESE PEOPLE ARE A DISGRACE. I RAKED THE 50 REQUIRED VIPS THIS IS A SCAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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LOLOLOLOL WHATEVER NICE DEPOSIT FREEROLL AND INSTANT BONUS WHERE WAS THE INSTANT BONUS

WHATEVER YOU SAVED 500 DOLLARS. I LOST 70 BUCKS TO PAY THAT RAKE THOUGH YOU FORGETTING THAT. NICE RATIONALIZATION THOUGH AND NICE DEPOSITERS BONUS BTW

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yOU COULDN'T RUN THE DEPOSIT FREEROLL I DEPOSITED FOR BECAUSE OF 1 PERSON AND MET REQUIREEMENTS TO PLAY ? PLEASE ALL GOOD IM SO DONE WITH YOUR SITE TY FOR YOUR AWESEOM DEPOSIT BONUS

LOL WHY DON'T I DEPOSIT ANOTHER 100 DOLLARS FOR NEXT MONTH. OR DO I HAVE TO RAKE ANOTHER 50 VIPS LOL GL WITH YOUR SITE SIR

His posts were deleted on grindabit for being spam, not because the owner was trying to hide them. Zecko thought this freeroll issue deserved like 10+ threads on top of the one the PD rep was responding to regarding the situation. I find it hard to believe he is not banned on grindabit and on 2+2. Never have I seen anyone spew so much misinformation online as this guy. He is also a regular at another poker site where I've seen him troll people all day with hate messages and cheating/collusion accusations while providing 0 evidence. He is really something else and not someone you want to get information from.

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Originally Posted by frantheman

Dear Followers of Poker Dominicano

We want to thank Bobo Fett for working with us and trying to clean up alot of the mess throughout the thread. Are intentions are to benefit the community and provide the best experience. Unfortunately there was alot of confusion and drama that caused this thread to move in the wrong direction.

We have selected Gunth0807 to be your new Poker Dominicano REP on 2+2. We are very thankful for his eagerness to help us through this venture. We are sure he will be of great benefit to the community.

Thank you Bobo Fett.

I also want to comment on this. I reached out to PD and offered my assistance with forum representation because I thought that it had got off to a rough start and that they weren't getting the credit they deserved. This is something I was really looking forward to doing since I am a fan of what this site has to offer.

Unfortunately for lack of communication on both ends (2+2 and PD) it hasn't gone as planned. I would still be interested in doing this but not if I have to mimic the style of representation that "imjustshane" provides (never having any real answers, disappearing for days at a time, etc) or if I have no recourse against posters like "zeckoriver" who will troll a thread for 4 days straight with spam and misinformation.

If both PD and 2+2 feel there is a way that this thread could play out properly for both the site and it's players I would have no problem contributing some of my time into making that happen.

Unfortunately for lack of communication on both ends (2+2 and PD) it hasn't gone as planned.

I hope that's not the case at the moment; I know we had a slow start, but I'm pretty sure at this point I'm waiting on you and a new account if you were going to go ahead with this. I'm not concerned if you're waiting on other things or it isn't going through for some reason; just want to make sure you're not waiting on me for something. If you are, please remind me - you can send me a PM or email me (address in my profile if you don't have it).

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

If both PD and 2+2 feel there is a way that this thread could play out properly for both the site and it's players I would have no problem contributing some of my time into making that happen.

As far as I'm concerned, it's going the way it should right now. Too much invective at times on both sides for my taste, but that's something the mods are looking after as they see it or as it's reported. As I'm sure you're aware, this forum is modded relatively loosely, so feel free to report stuff you think is being missed. I'm pretty sure the very worst of it is being looked after, though; the bannings of a couple of posters recently being an example of that.

As for Zecko, I don't recall him being that bad here, at least not as you describe on the other forum. But maybe a lot more posts of his were deleted than I recall or was even aware of (been on the road most of July and will be again much of August). But you shouldn't be all that shocked he isn't banned here - you should know that, for better or for worse, a lot is let go in the Zoo. But if we saw multiple threads being created, or the issue carrying on still, I'm sure he would be banned.

I have moved past the canceled postponed depositer freeroll that required rake issue it seems other people cannot that is fine. I don't see were my posts were deleted they were
condensed you can see them in post 684. The only thing I did wrong was agreeing to a sites cash deposit bonuses that included a deepositer freerol which I was not compensated for.

My posts on grindabit were not deleted as spam. Mgmt allowed me to open a thread in a section separate from Poker DOminico section in grindabit forum when the poker dominico rep locked the thread and deleted it. I got permission from grindabit to open another thread not in Poker Dominicos forum because of this from mgmt.

There are currently no threads pertaining to Pokerdominico in grindabit as pokerdominico sent grindabit a cease and decist and ordered them to remove any mention of Poker DOminico from the grindabit forum.

My suggestion is that if people think others are being a problem and post(s) need to be addressed, report the post(s) rather than getting into a flame war with them. Obviously people are going to have disagreements from time to time, but it would be nice to settle the rhetoric down some.

My suggestion is that if people think others are being a problem and post(s) need to be addressed, report the post(s) rather than getting into a flame war with them.

This is very true.

Often I will see an hour-old Post Report, go there and there is a 20 post cleanup required where ignoring the idiot/troll/whatever that you are reporting gets their post easily deleted (and possibly infracted).

Having to wade through those follow-up posts and decide what has to be done is a pita and never easy when multi-tasking.

I played on PD for about 10 days, and I thought I would share my experiences as well as unveil some stuff that played out behind the scenes.

Regarding GoodvsEvil, there was a very wierd situation that happened where GvE claimed that his Skype/facebook was hacked. During this time that he was supposedly hacked, he sent out a WordPress website that claimed he had tried to buy a piece of PD (5%) for $10k, including some very specific details about the site in the process. It was a very well thought out, long post that he took down very quickly. Before I even contacted Fran regarding GvE, he sent me a message on Skype, and sent me a DPS photo that he claimed to be GvE and how he was a known cheat that was banned from a casino in Missouri, and that he was a scam artist. Fran denied any involvement with GvE, and completely denied the situation (GvE trying to buy a piece) ever happened. I have seen GvE playing from time to time on PD after the incident so I believe Fran here, but I havent seen GvE on any public forums since this went down.

Now, back to my take about PD. Their software has some issues, like bet sizing for the 'pot' buttons, but overall it is very good for a USA player. Software is not the issue for this site for sure.

I want to outline some issues I've had with the site. The lack of communication is extremely troubling. I was promised a cashout next day several times, and typically when I would try and contact Fran on Skype, he would not respond.

One day, I was playing on a table and asked simply 'has anyone received a withdrawal lately?'. Fran contacted me on Skype and said 'i would appreciate if you do not stir things up on the table about withdrawals'. This rubbed me the wrong way, for obvious reasons.

When I signed up to play on the site, Fran gave me a rakeback deal. Was told I would be paid every Monday. I signed up on a Saturday, and on Tuesday after not receiving a RB payment I asked Fran why I wasn't paid. He told me: 'Normally we pay rakeback 1 time per week. In your case it was going to be paid next monday, since you just started. We normally dont pay Rakeback a few days after registration'. I thought this was a bit shady but didn't really mind, as long as I was paid in full the following Monday, July 29. I was never paid and have asked several times via Skype about this getting paid but have been met by silence, and still haven't seen a penny of RB.

I am friends with a person who has dealt with PD quite a bit, and he had this to say: 'PD is bad news. Is he trying yes but doesn't run it right. He questions basically every withdrawal'. I feel this is a fair take. The vibe that Fran gives off is not a good one. I can tell he is trying, but he gets extremely defensive very easily which always turns me off, no matter how misguided. He needs a better community rep, let alone one who actually WANTS to be part of an open discussion in the community. Taking constructive criticism from your players should be an incredibly high priority for a poker site, a new one ESPECIALLY, and establishing trust is key as well. I think on both of these points PD so far has been below average.

I wish PD nothing but the best of luck. If they ever decide to pay my RB I will play there again, but until then I will have to wait and see some changes occur before I feel safe keeping my own money on there long-term. I wish Fran and the PD team nothing but success.

There are currently no threads pertaining to Pokerdominico in grindabit as pokerdominico sent grindabit a cease and decist and ordered them to remove any mention of Poker DOminico from the grindabit forum.

It is unfortunate you have this information Zecko, as this was only shared directly with the owner via a skype conversation. This is the main reason we pulled away from there. There is alot of negative talked that goes on behind the scenes. Ever since grindabit decided to Promote SatoshiPoker and remove us from a featured advertiser, things started going downhill.

I come to this thread only for the soap opera. I learned a new word today. As perfect as it is I am surprised I don't remember seeing it before. It has been around since the 1520's and is derived from Medieval Latin.

In order to run a online Poker Site we believe there should be a high level of transparency. We are here to build trust within the community otherwise we would not waste our time here. During the course of the time that we have been on 2+2 situations have aroused that has damaged our credibility. There has been legitimate postings as well as false accusations and so forth. There have been people posting that we owe them money which in reality its completely false. We will learn to deal with this. Unfortunaly we are useto handling things a little different. The most important thing here is we are being accused of being LTE just rebranded. This is absoutly false. We are our own company and run our own show. LTE didnt pay players, Poker Dominicano Does. We accepted 5 players from LTE as table PROPS. This has backfired very much but we will deal with it.
Since we are talking about being transparent i will disclose what exactly happened with Grindabit. When Poker dominicano started accepting BTC as a form of deposit we were contacted via email by Grindabit. They were interested in becoming a affiliate and offered us a Regular thread on there forum. Based on the quality of the site we decided this could be a good idea for the growth of the site. Just a few days went by and we noticed alot of new accounts and depositors started coming in. This was a very good thing for Poker dominicano and it helped to spread the word about our site.
Poker dominicano saw the potential and approached Steve (weee) the owner of grindabit and discussed of becoming a exclusive partner there. This is when things started to flow in the wrong direction. Steve (weee) Pitt (bellalobo) and i starting talking about becoming a exclusive partner of Grindabit. The agreement would be based on the simple fact, that they would not promote another BTC site on there forum but Poker dominicano. Poker Dominicano then sent them a Upfront Payment for the exclusive to be listed in the featured part of the site. We then got the proposal to finalize the exclusive agreement. Below was the requirements they requested from Poker Dominicano.

Grindabit's proposal
What can we offer ?
We bring a solid base of players and a large poker following. We have one of the best reputations in the poker community.
We can offer you exclusive access to our site. Giving your players options to deposit that are unmatched by any poker site. Including: Credit Cards, PayPal, GreenDotMoneyPaks, Amazon Payments, Western Union, MoneyGram, Bitcoins, and Litecoins.
Mentioning, and promoting of Poker Dominicano in our daily news articles, as well as blogs. Least 2 times a week or more.
Bringing our GrindaBit tournaments to Poker Dominicano. They have a strong base of players that follow them daily. Can bring you instant traffic.
Raffles for tournaments. Our SWC raffles are very popular. They generate extra players for the larger buy ins. At start this will be used for our GaB tournaments, as well as the Sunday 1k guarantee.
We will help market, promote and actively support Poker Dominicano. Through our reputation, word of mouth, contacts, 2+2, P5s, Poker training sites, contests, and promotions.
We will help provide prop players. Solid grinders, who are reliable, trustworthy, and have their own friends that will come with them.
Our 100% commitment to Poker Dominicano. Support, promote, and actively encourage players to play on Poker Dominicano.
Contacts we have in poker community that are both business related, and or personally related.
We will offer staking on your site. Which will bring more players to Poker Dominicano
Many more things, to numerous to mention.
What do we seek in return ?
Assurances that, our deal stays same. Regardless of any changes on site, or growth.
We would both be given the highest VIP level on site, with all perks included. Including any new ones added. In future should VIP perks include any cash, tournaments, trips, anything additional, we will receive.
Our affiliate percentage goes from xx% to xx%.
A flat one time payment of $xxxx dollars. This covers cost of personalized cards, loss revenue, and contests and promotions for site. Due by Sunday 6/30/13
We will be given 2 GrindaBit tournaments a day. First one is between 10am/1pm and 1pm/4pm second is between 5pm/8pm and 7pm/10pm. The structure of which we choose, as well as a fluxuating Guarantee as we so choose. We will cover all guarantees for our tournaments. We will also keep rake for our tournaments, up to the first 40 players. Rake after player #40 will be split 50/50.
Example GaB tourney 2k guar has 100 players. 100% for players 1-40 goes to us. 50% of rake from player #41-100 goes to us, and 50% goes to PD
We get an option for a 3rd GaB tournament at off hours. Like 9pm/12am-2am/5am time bracket. All GaB tournaments are guarantees, and we cover the guarantees.
We currently run exclusive GaB tourneys daily on SWC, and two on Saturdays. They always meet their guar, and have some of the largest turnouts for any tournament on SWC besides the Big BTC, and Saturday 10k.
GaB tournament payments will be processed every Sunday night.
Prop players we provide you get 50% rake back, $25 sign up bonus instead of $5(or $20 if we have already had them sign up)But they can not withdraw bonus money until they have cleared an agreed upon amount of player points, or set amount of rake. Lastly they will get a ticket to 1 free entry into a GaB tournament, provided by you. No more than 5 prop players will receive this package.
You agree that all deposits go through our site
This is where the problems started. Poker dominicano did not agree on the terms laid out for the Grindabit tournaments. We were not in a position to give away 100% of the rake on a tournament that was open to all players. This means not only does poker dominicano loses 100% rake on those players, we also lost rake to other players who are members of other affiliates. Some of the grindabit tournament they wanted, was High juice. like a $20+$3.
We had our first confrontation and that lead to breaking up the relationship right away. To be continued on the next post.

This is when things started to get heated. Poker Dominicano partially agreed to the proposal but we decided to change our mind about the Tournaments the following day. We thought grindabit would be willing to hold off on these games and we could work something out accordingly. It didn't work as planned, they did not want to work with me without those tournaments and they would not be flexible with them at all. I explained how this can affect our site and we are not in the position to give away so much money away yet. The following day we told Grindabit we would like to just back out of this deal and not continue with it, if we cannot work on the GAB tournaments. I asked Kindly to Steve to please refund our payment as nothing actually happened. They denied it. They keep our money and simply told us that they did what they were suppose to do, at least for 1 day. Ok this was Phase #1. Things got very bad and suddenly Poker Dominicano started getting withdrawals from Grindabit players including Steve (weee). Grindabit directed there players to withdraw the funds from our site. Poker Dominicano felt we got scammed from our upfront money but decided to take a loss. In hope not to lose our upfront investment we contacted Steve again and told him how wrong it was to just take our money and remove our banners, Thread, from there site. The money we paid should have covered at least for a few months of promotion on Grindabit.Long story short, we agreed and made up. The relationship at this point is already somewhat tarnished. Poker dominicano used them to get and send Bitcoins. This time we decided to only work as a affiliate partner and not involving any exclusives or anything. We then put Grindabit games with $200 $150 $300 GTD for 15 days straight every day. In spice to juice up the players that had already Left PD for the Grindabit incident we had. This tournament were all covered by Poker Dominicano. Grindabit then put Poker Dominicano on the featured section once again and things were running smoothly.Poker Dominicano took a lose of thousands all that week. So players once again started depositing at the word that Grindabit and Poker Dominicano were partners. The main problem came a few weeks later when suddenly i see a new Site on top of my Featured Thread with Grindabit tournaments as well. This really made us mad as we had been investing thousands a week in these tournaments for Grindabit. The new site was SatoshiPoker.org. Grindabit right away started ghosting some tournaments and i confronted him about it. Things got bad really quick.

After they had started promoting tournament for another site in the featured thread this really hurt Poker Dominicano. We notice how many withdrawals we were getting and no more deposits were coming in.This is when i contact Steve and said something is going on. Your players are no longer playing and it seems there is some internal problem going on. When i would log into Grindabit i would get Chat Messages from the actual Owner of SatoshiPoker.
Some of the messages from Satoshi poker.

SatoshiPoker
just wanted to say hello, but i hate cocky pricks who dont know how to run a business
just as u messed up LTE you will fail again

I contacted Steve a large variety of times to address this issue, i guess he did since the harassing chats stopped coming in.
Decided to deal with this and move on. Then i started getting messages from Affiliates who had been in contact with Steve (weee) who he tried to recruit to join Satoshipoker. Satoshipoker had tried multiple times to recruit some of my biggest affiliates and has spammed some of those forums as well. Apparently Satoshi and Steve (weee) have a great deal going on. Things turned for the worst when i get a message stating that Poker dominicano was Charging Grindabit for the overlays in the tournaments. This was a total lie, and never did we charge 1 dime to Grindabit for the loses we had on those Games. We got tired of all the lies, rumors, and decided to pull out from Grindabit.

That seems like an unbelievably one sided story..I could be wrong, but fully expect Bella and Steve to post a follow up to this soon.

Would be a honor if they respond. I would like to see them respond under there real 2+2 name because they do have one.

Figured i would just post the skype chat where the problems started.
[7/2/2013 10:11:54 PM] Poker Dominicano: Well Steve, im going to kindly request a refund of our payment as the necessary services wre not provided for a period of time. 24 hours has passed which does not account for that much money. You are not willing to put our thread where it should be. Refund $xxxx and take $xxxx for the first month on this thread. I am not interested in paying for 6 month or 1 year of service. I have been straight up honest with you and i dont mess around when it comes to money. Was trying to work with you guys, but seems you guys expect to extract to most from it. Im trying to make sure the site last by saving as much money possible. What do you say?
[7/2/2013 10:16:19 PM] weeeeee: there was an agreement and it is documented. we brought you players, we played your games. We added you exclusivity as was asked of us. I stopped playing on swc and brought players over. That xxxx dollars is in our possession. It was a agreed on. It was a deal. you chose to not continue the offer.

[7/2/2013 10:38:48 PM] weeeeee: we did provide the services offered. we offered you exclusivity and 100% effort on promotion. AND most of all players.
[7/2/2013 10:39:19 PM] weeeeee: we did put you up on the top.
[7/2/2013 10:39:22 PM] Poker Dominicano: Well during our exclusivity agreement you still had Pcoket Aces and Seals thread active.
[7/2/2013 10:39:25 PM] Poker Dominicano: That was not exclusive

They are right here. It was done for 24 hours. It was a loss to us. Just shows the integrity of them. Ever since, things went from bad to worst.