If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

I would think a choose death license plate would do will in the bible belt, as long as they though it referred to war, the second amendment, the death penalty, black people, Muslims, liberals, Mexicans, the French, Gays, union members, the UN, Anyone who doesn't like Israel, Jews, Mormons*, Europeans or Asians. And probably some more that I forgot.

Of course, since you will also find the majority of these "pro-life" types are white, middle-aged men, the REAL reason is they have an intense desire to control the sex lives of those uppity women, who according to them should be brood mares for their god. It's zero to do with compassion for the 'poor l'i'l babies.

You'll probably find that a vast majority of 'pro-lifers' tend to be the retrograde types that are against a social safety net for the children of unwed mothers, cheering for war and the death penalty, and against gun control, praise the lord jesus for ever 'n' ever 'n' ever AHHH-MEN!!!

Lumpmoose:kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate//ducks and runs

If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

God Is My Co-Pirate:Can I just say, as a feminist and mother, I'm still mildly annoyed they revoked that Eat The Kids First plate.

Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

radiovox:If only there was some other way to display your socio-political beliefs on the back of your car. Maybe strips of paper with adhesive on one side and written messages on the other. Let's get on that Farkers!

BUt would it not be more politically incorrect/correct(hell, I can't keep track) to have the public pay for it?

kid_icarus:Lumpmoose: kid_icarus: But doesn't "Choose Life" imply a choice so is therefore somewhat...pro-choice?

/devils advocate//ducks and runs

If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

No, the stupid part is that North Carolina altered its Constitution to deny the civil rights of a select few of its citizens and they called it a choice.

/On behalf of those many North Carolinians who voted against the gay marriage ban, I would like to apologize for the stupidity of our very inbred state legislature.//My state is lovely, but Raleigh really should be nuked from orbit.///Only way to be sure.

letrole:"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."-- Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."-- Abraham Lincoln

Even With A Chainsaw:Zasteva: Rufus Lee King: "This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Rufus Lee King: Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

Perhaps you missed the part in the article where North Carolina rejected the "Respect Choice" license plate.

That means that the state is supporting you in expressing a Pro-Life point of view, but denying you a similar expression of a Pro-Choice point of view.

The judicial order requires the state to either allow both, or deny both, but not promote one view over the other.

That's all well and good in any argument that only has two sides. Choose Heads or Tails.

Even if they print Choose Life plates and Respect Choice plates, my views are being oppressed if I believe any of the following:

Choose Life except in the case that the mother's life is in danger, then kill that babby.Choose Life except in cases of danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babby.Choose Life except in cases of birf defects/danger to mother/rape/incest, then kill babbyRespect Choice unless in last trimester, then save clump of cells.Respect Choice unless in last two trimesters, then save clump of cells.Respect Choice, but institute programs to make potential mothers aware of alternativesRespect Choice, but force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, so they can see their clump.Etc...

Is it the state's responsibility to print all of those plates?Seems silly.

This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

Yes. If the state is going to sponsor political speech, it has to sponsor all or nothing. That's why NC is stupid for doing this in the first place. Mass. has the right idea, you can have whatever stupid plate you want if you can get $100,000.00 to fund a bond for it.

The people with their panties in a bunch are the assholes who feel that everyone who drives behind them needs to know their political opinions.

Even With A Chainsaw:This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about someone getting their panties in a bunch, which any of us could theoretically do if we can't get a license plate that says whatever our precious little snowflake minds can think up.

I remember around 2000, when a judge ordered the state of Missouri to permit the KKK to participate in its "adopt a highway" program on the same basic rationale of this case--i.e., no viewpoint discrimination when the government creates a forum for political speech. Even though the ruling was a victory for the conservative racial point of view, progressives celebrated it as a victory for what should be the universal value of free speech.

Today, by contrast, when a judge orders a state to permit a dissenting view from the government's officially anti-choice stance, do conservatives celebrate a victory for free speech?

Of course not. This is America, after all. Instead they whine about how persecuted they are, and claim 1st Amendment supporters have their "panties in a bunch."

WhoopAssWayne:The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.

Pincy:KatjaMouse: I'm not sure if it's still available here but my sister got this plate:

[www.plannedparenthood.org image 315x163]

It was actually a plate sponsored and designed by Planned Parenthood.

Wow, in Virginia even? How the hell did that see the light of day?

Planned Parenthood generated enough signatures and donations to qualify and when the plate was approved most of the people who pledged money for the effort went down to the DMV and got it. Then there was a crap ton of backlash and I've never seen the plate on display in the DMV lobby since so I don't know if it is still available. If it turns out it is I think I'll get it.

Diogenes:Yeah, I was thinking of a good counter proposal to the Choose Life plates we have here in FL. "Kill More Babies" seemed a bit too over the top. But I think your "Eat The Kids First" idea has legs. Delicious, tender, young legs.

Now, now, there's no need to focus on the youngest of the lot!

Even by Jonathan Swift's time, the use of the "digestor" (what we now call a pressure cooker) which could render even the wiriest teen delectable, was widely known:

by which the hardest bones of beef itself, and mutton, were made as soft as cheese, without water or other liquor, and with less than eight ounces of coals, producing an incredible quantity of gravy; and for close of all, a jelly made of the bones of beef, the best for clearness and good relish, and the most delicious that I had ever seen, or tasted.

Netrngr:Pincy: Hoblit: I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

Hoblit:I don't get it. I'm pro-choice (I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind)

I would still encourage choosing life whenever possible and the plate references that choice. It doesn't say PRO Life, it says CHOOSE life. Simply an encouraging statement. Shouldn't we choose life whenever possible and encourage (not force) those of around us to do the same?

Somacandra:URAPNIS: We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.

Massachusetts is conflicted because the Boston area is very Catholic. Catholics are the liberal wing of the Christian party most of the time, but very conservative on abortion. We also have a lot of CINO who dutifully go to mass but act like ordinary sinners the rest of the week/month/year.

According to Google:Legislative approval is not required in Massachusetts to create specialty tags. Any registered charitable organization can get a special license plate so long as they collect applications and fees from at least 1,500 drivers who want the plates and post a $100,000 bond to guard the state against loss. The bond is returned if more than 3,000 of the plates sell within two years.

I should create a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster charity solely to get a license plate.

" If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.3"

and

"Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics."

That's a lot of voters to piss off. (Not to mention their husbands and boyfriends who are likely relieved that abortion was a legal option,)

hah. I know a Catholic girl who had an abortion although she strictly does not believe in them. In her case she would claim that she had to have one because her baby would not have been healthy/viable for reasons specific to her. But she is against abortion. So yeah, as we know, people will say 'it isn't okay for you to do it because I say so' but if I need one it is totally different and fine.

She is just lucky that she was able to safely and privately get one.

So just because women have had one doesn't mean they believe in them. They will probably say it was wrong when they did it but God forgives them but never mention that they were lucky to be able to have an abortion and would do it again if they were in the same situation.

/just FYI, we are friends and I would never say these nasty things to her face. I'm sure it was a hard decision and it was her choice to make, I just wish she would admit that other people deserve the same choice.

ruinevil:This is why General Sherman didn't burn North Carolina, because they are relatively sensible.

A little factoid that gets lost in Sherman's fame: The Union army burned plantations homes, whole towns, destroyed rail lines and factories and crops from Virginia to Louisiana. Georgia was the life line of the Confederate army and the South's industrial/commercial center, so Sherman's orders were to inflict as much damage to it as possible. He burned a lot, but not everything, as inaccurate history sometimes claims.

URAPNIS:We have Helping Schools tags. Should we also have fark The Schools tags?

There are support wilderness plates and university sports teams plates--so that a chunk of that money goes to support state education and natural resource management. Schools are public institutions. I don't have a problem with adopting a plate to raise money for a public institution. Political messages are different it seems.

WhoopAssWayne:The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be hasn't been abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.

This!Many years ago I was dining out with a friend and a woman was going table to tale with pamphlets depicting abortions. my friend handed the pamphlet back to the woman an said she'll have the Tar Tar.

The crackpot liberal freeloaders are more than happy to take away someone else's free speech rights.

It is long past time we re-establish free religious speech in this country. In church. In schools. In public. The liberals have been chipping away at this basic human right for years and now we've reached this ridiculous and sad point. Free speech for them, government censored speech for anyone else.

Demand your basic free speech rights!

Stand up in your church and call out crooked politicians by name. Wear anti-abortion and scripture related clothing to your school and in public. This is your fundamental, constitutionally protected, basic human right and it must not be abridged by these extremist liberal crackpots.

Rufus Lee King:"This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians.", said Chris Brook of the ACLU.

Really? How does that follow? People have the right to free expression until someone says something that you don't agree with?

I like how people with a conservative christian point of view think that "free speech" means the right to make the government espouse their own particular worldview. It's really neither a conservative nor a christian opinion.

You can have a point of view without also making the government all the time parrot that point of view. (Or maybe you so lack confidence in your own beliefs that they will wither away and die if you can't force the government to put them on a license plate: "I was going to keep that baby, but the slogan on my license plate is content neutral, so I aborted it.").

Virginia has a 'Trust Women' pro-choice plate. I thought it was nice, kind of like saying "It's okay, guys, I have a uterus and I know what I'm doing here, if I can be a good mom, I'll have the kid, but if not, you have to trust me. I've got this one."

Of course, being a contentious issue, I was hesitant. Sure, I know how to buff out a scratch, but you can only fix paint so many times.

But then I saw that they had one with a kitty and a doggie on it that benefits animal shelters, so that's what I wound up picking for the station wagon, my husband chose one of the general-aviation ones with an airplane on it for the coupe and the minivan got an alumni-association plate with our college logo. Nobody objects to animals, airplanes or to your alumni plate (unless you went to Penn State, which we didn't, and that's kind of blown over...or Duke...) and if I really need street cred at some kind of vehicular abortion debate, I can always impale a foam-rubber fetus on the antenna I fixed with a coat hanger and carry on about my day.

I would just get my girlfriend pregnant, get an ultrasound, take her to the abortion clinic and then write letters letting all the local churches know what we did and include a copy of the ultrasound with the caption "This is YOUR fault!"

Lumpmoose:If the pro-life side used their time, resources and spiritual clout to convince people to choose adoption, promote women's health and educate about contraceptives--rather than merely attempt to ban abortion--they'd prevent many, MANY more abortions than they are now. Under that scenario, a "Choose Life" slogan would be honest and respectable.

Bonus: The anti-choicers are often against adoption (those poor kids might be given to a dirty gay person, or worse, two dirty gay people) and always against health care (so many socialisms) and contraception (it's abstinence or nothing!). I really have no idea where they expect all these extra children to go. Soylent Green factories, perhaps?

/[george_carlin.jpg]//I know that you know this already, just biatching for the sake of biatching.

Don't they understand that the only thing that should go on your state issued license plate is the college you attended, the military branch you served in, and the fact you support shelter animals/breast cancer/girl scouts/state parks, or the local professional sports team?

AngryTeacher:So I did some looking... Ohio has two Choose Life plates and no alternative. They are considered to be pro-adoption plates, not pro-life plates.

We also have the obligitory "In God We Trust" plate.

Colorado has the "Respect life" but they aren't meant to be pro-life. Super double pinky swear!

Columbine Plate

This plate memorializing the victims and survivors of the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School is currently one of the most popular in the state. It features a columbine flower (the state flower) and the phrase "Respect Life" on a detailed mountain backdrop. There is a one-time fee of $50 for the plate, in addition to standard registration and license fees.

jst3p:DubyaHater: Being pro-choice and living in Roanoke, VA, I don't think I'd put a "Respect Choice" plate on my car........unless I want a key or two dragged across the paint.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone would risk putting anything political on their car. There are ignorant idiots of all political bents.

I put my first and only bumper sticker on my car for this election: 'Vote No' (against the MN constitutional amendment duplicating the opposite-gender marriage law). I think one factor in the amendment's surprising defeat was the groundswell of Vote No signs and bumper stickers across the state, especially in cities. We dwarfed the other side and visibility helps. I took the bumper stick off the Thursday after the election.

Diogenes:CapeFearCadaver: Diogenes: But one serious idea I had for a counter was "Choose Choice".

In NC, they had proposed "Respect Choice" as a counter opinion plate.

I'd rather not allow any of them, period. Put a bumper sticker on your car, State issued anything has no business pushing any side of this mess or any other hot-button topic.

Seriously. I'm not one for label activism in the first place. But making my car a target just seems stupid, beyond being a shallow expression.

I mostly agree (don't even have bumper stickers for that reason) but NY has had a couple of basically neutral plates I liked - one for the Lilac festival (Rochester influenced, LOVE that festival) and I think there was one with a bird or something where the money went to wetlands conservation. IIRC there's also one with a sailboat but I think it's just something for the people who like boating, as I don't recall any special significance.

If only there was some other way to display your socio-political beliefs on the back of your car. Maybe strips of paper with adhesive on one side and written messages on the other. Let's get on that Farkers!

Get a load of this guy, he thinks George Michael is gay . LOL. Do you remember all the super models in that one video of his? He is all about pussy. I'll just Google him right now to see what piece of ass he's banging.....oh. Oh God. Oh dear God and Baby Jesus.....