College Degree Holders & Illegal Aliens: We Need Less, But Are Getting More and More Of Both & They Will Compete Against Each Other For Jobs

Here’s a tip: the 20-30 million aliens officially on “the path to citizenship” won’t be seeking the lettuce picking jobs we’re told “Americans won’t do.” They’ll be seeking the jobs Americans are seeking, and we’ll be told that we need a whole new crop of illegal aliens to do the “back-breaking” work. Then, we’ll be told those aliens, too, need citizenship. It’s a never-ending cycle that will forever add to the devaluation of a college degree.

On Saturday night, I got a flat tire late at night in the middle of a Michigan freeway about a half hour away from my home. Stranded in the middle of nowhere late at night in the dark, I called a 24-hour towing service to come out and change my tire. As luck (or bad luck) would have it, my spare tire was also flat, so I had to be towed all the way home. The towing guy told me he had a college degree from Michigan’s Oakland University. Then, he said, I’ll bet you’re thinking, “Wow, this is the most educated auto wrecker I’ve ever met,” which was exactly what I was thinking. But, in that moment, the service he provided was very important, necessary, and valuable to me, and yet it was something for which any degree, including a Ph.D., would be useless. And, as I’ve noted repeatedly on this site, I think America puts too much emphasis on every single person getting a college degree. It makes the degree worthless–even more so than a high school diploma once was (and that is even more worthless than ever, too).

At the same time, other studies show that those with college degrees today–having studied such important and useful topics as “Sex and Dominatrix Mentality in the Songs, Nudie Picture Books, and Behavior of Madonna” and “Living as a Freegan – Dumpster Diving 101”–are infinitely more stupid, ignorant, and incompetent than those who only had high school degrees in the ’70s. And we now have more high school grads than ever, another meaningless fact, since their high school diplomas mean less and less, with more and more students who must take remedial English and math courses in college. MBAs (I have an MBA and a JD)–once respected degrees–are also not worth what they once were, with many MBA holders jobless or being forced to take jobs that don’t require that education.

It’s always been my position that not everyone in America should be directed toward being doctors, lawyers, software engineers, CEOs etc. While some might call me an elitist, we only need the best and brightest to get those degrees and practice in those fields. And we need janitors and plumbers and welders and housekeepers–all jobs for which a college degree has zero use or relevance. Somebody has to do those jobs. We also need factory workers and people to man the assembly lines (and the sense of entitlement and refusal to take those jobs, along with union demands, is part of the reason we’ve lost those jobs to China and elsewhere and become a consumer society that can’t sustain itself rather than a country that makes and produces things). And we need Americans–not illegal aliens–to fill those jobs.

The move toward pushing everyone to get a college degree leads to a sense of entitlement, as in I earned a college degree. I’m not gonna change someone’s tire or dig ditches. I’m too good for that. And we see that happening with college grads living at home and playing video games or spending all day on Facebook, rather than taking a job that doesn’t require a college degree that is “beneath me,” in their minds, as studies show that the current crop of college grads are a big part of the most narcissistic generation ever. Expect more and more of these narcissistic home-bound slackers, as we thrust 30 million aliens into the marketplace to compete against the college-“educated” slackers.

More:

Nearly half of working Americans with college degrees are in jobs for which they’re overqualified, a new study out Monday suggests.

The study, released by the non-profit Center for College Affordability and Productivity, says the trend is likely to continue for newly minted college graduates over the next decade.

“It is almost the new normal,” says lead author Richard Vedder, an Ohio University economist and founder of the center, based in Washington.

The number of Americans whose highest academic degree was a bachelor’s grew 25% to 41 million from 2002 to 2012, statistics released last week from the U.S. Census Bureau show.

The number with associate’s degrees increased 31%, while the number of Americans for whom the highest level of education attainment was a master’s or doctorate degree grew fastest of all — 45% and 43%, respectively.

Earnings in 2011 averaged $59,415 for people with any earnings ages 25 and older whose highest degree was a bachelor’s degree, and $32,493 for people with a high school diploma but no college, the Census data show.

Vedder, whose study is based on 2010 Labor Department data, says the problem is the stock of college graduates in the workforce (41.7 million) in 2010 was larger than the number of jobs requiring a college degree (28.6 million).

That, he says, helps explain why 15% of taxi drivers in 2010 had bachelor’s degrees vs. 1% in 1970. Among retail sales clerks, 25% had a bachelor’s degree in 2010. Less than 5% did in 1970.

“There are going to be an awful lot of disappointed people because a lot of them are going to end up as janitors,” Vedder says. In 2010, 5% of janitors, 115,520 workers, had bachelor’s degrees, his data show.

Matt Moberg, who provides training for the Cleaning Management Institute in Latham, N.Y., says the percentage of degree-holding janitors was probably smaller before the recession, but those with four-year degrees likely are business owners or workers in online degree programs.

Wanna be an over-educated janitor, sales clerk, or taxi driver? Go to college. Those and slackerville are among your best job prospects because we devalued the college degree by insisting that everyone get one and providing the financial aid and tax-funded, self-perpetuating, ever-growing college bureaucratic machines to make sure that happens even more.

And with the tidal wave of 30 million immediately given work permits to compete with all of these college grads, it’s an alignment of the stars for disaster in the job market and the U.S. economy.

Louie Louie, you are absolutely correct. I am a product of the Detroit Public Schools )of the 50s and very early 60s). Many of these recent college grads are not even bright–like they have had all of their common sense educated out of them.

And the red-shirted fascist-minded teachers seem to be conducting a national campaign against standardized tests, even dumbed-down as they are. Duh, I wonder why? What would happen if the teachers had to take those tests themselves? About a 10% pass rate, maybe?

The Wall Street Journal front page today had one of the most disgusting pictures I’ve ever seen. Five overweight women of various nationalities, including of course a Muslim, taking the citizenship oath and looking very somber. Yea diversity. Taking an oath to suggest they will be loyal.

All dressed very modestly. I guess so the reader will subconsciously believe, well, they’re so modest, they won’t be promiscuous and have a bunch of babies, or bring a litter of kids over here. No men in the picture, for the same reason, to downplay any image of procreation.

And holding their papers, to suggest that they are all literate. Come on now.

And all these nationalities, united together, suggesting a common culture. What a joke.

The Wall Street Journal long has championed open borders. In 1984, and running for a number of years, its op-ed section proposed a constitutional amendment reading: “There shall be open borders.” Even now, WSJ editorials effectively say the same thing. One of its star “conservative” writers, Jason Riley, came out with a book in 2008 entitled, “Let Them In: The Case for Open Borders.”

Top brass at the paper must have grinning like a Cheshire cat when posting today’s photo of Third World female food giants. With most GOP leaders endorsing the basics of the Obama plan, they’ll probably get what they want, too.

I canceled my WSJ subscription because of the continued emphasis on amnesty (and because ME coverage was unreliable at best). I won’t be voting Republican or contributing again if they support amnesty. I’ll just sit out future elections, or wait for a new party.

The WSJ is, like Fox News, owned by Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp, of which one of the chief shareholders is Saudi Prince Alwaleed (hence, Debbie’s nickname for Fox, ‘PAWNN’). In that sense, it figures why they’d be so open-borders.

And that the GOP is on board with this “open borders” madness is just one of, what, a million reasons or so why “Republican” and “conservative” are not mutually exclusive, despite all the leftist media propaganda.

Finally, it’s not just all these courses Debbie cited that explain why college has become next to worthless. It’s also the massive leftist indoctrination – just how many college students and “grads” were part of the astroturf “Occupy Wall Street” “movement,” anyway? Doubtless a significant percentage. Plus a high portion of that group having voted for Obama in both 2008 and last year, as well as supporting voter initiatives for such should-be fringe crackpot initiatives as “medical marijuana” and that ultimate oxymoron, “gay marriage.” Which is yet another set of strikes against the 26th Amendment, whose failure is exactly due to this leftist indoctrination and overall dumbing-down.

Witness the power and avarice of the collective “elected” emeembers of congress that spawned the GBEight, who admire each other so much that they can’t help but rolling over for the gourp think therapy that is disguised as when the Senate is in session.

Imagine they are promoting a bill that will make the sticky immigration probel “go away” without thinking about all of the inadvertent costs it wil create, at the expense of (you guessed it) us tax payers.

Assuming 30 milllin mostluy uneduc ated to the workforce will (1) add to the welfare roles and other governemtn programs (Ocare) and others for whic as non-citizens they are not able to be eligible for (redistribution of wealth) and (2) create compeition for those looking for jobs. then a new goveremnt program to educate these 30m (redistribution of employent musch like afrfrimative action). And the beat goes on.

This is also due to the stagnation of our economy. We are dealing with a mature economy that is in decline. Dumping thirty million new semi-skilled or unskilled workers will inevitably lead to stagnant or declining rela wages. This also does not take into account the effects of the Affordable Care Act. Many or most unskilled positions will in the future will be part time, since most employers would try to stay under the 30 hour a week threshhold that would make the employee eligible for employment based health care.

The data is excellent but misses further areas of incursions, the United States is the only country that allows open enrollment from other countries, that is to say, we do not set aside the open positions at institutions and jobs for just American Citizens, other countries must fill the spots with their people first then they can try and fill with foreigners after an exhaustive investigation.

The American job pool is basically now open to the world, and since many of those job seekers getting educated here in the united States they get those jobs.

Unfortunately I know too many Black, White, and Hispanic students who want to be just like Barack Obama. Vanderbilt just hired a Black Liberation Feminist to head up its Theology School.

Some farmer in Wilson or Cheatham County needs to take some shovels and a manure spreader over to Vanderbilt and start shoveling at the School of Theology, Vanderbilt and the Tennessean newspaper have enough manure to cover the earth.

Well spoken DS. Every dynasty in history has fallen. We are no different. I feel this amnesty sell-out is the death sentence to America. Thanks to the libturds and their romantic quest for down your throat diversity and multiculturalism at any cost, the demise of giving America away to illegal aliens and law breakers, has seriously started.

And another sad thing is that Rubio has obviously made an assessment and doesn’t expect to be challenged from the right — he doesn’t expect any significant Republican to be strongly opposed to illegal immigration.

For years, a college degree has served as a way to cut down the amount of job applicants selected for the interview process. I believe this started in the early ’70’s, the beginning of the era of never ending recessions, where 3000 people would show up trying to get an application for a half dozen jobs someone with a ninth grade education could do. A degree can give a person an advantage, but in recent times where tuition is so high a person has to go into debt for life to get a degree it is very questionable whether or not it is worth it. And, a real education, such as the type of education you could get at a place like Hillsdale college is very valuable, but is to expensive for the average person. People that do get to go to a good college should be thankful. A degree and an education are not necessarily the same thing.

When I was a teenager in the 70s I worked at a restaurant with a recent High School graduate as a dishwasher.
I started to suspect something wasn’t quite right with my co-worker.
There was a sign over the bar that read “Waitresses must pay for their drinks when picking them up”.
One time I lead Rickie out of the kitchen and held out a $20 dollar bill. I told him if he could read the sign I would give him the $20.
He couldn’t do it, but he had a High School diploma.
I wouldn’t doubt you could do the same thing today with some college graduates.

I’m reminded of when I worked in sales, calling on grocery stores. I called on A&Ps, a dying name back then, and they started a new policy of putting “special” signs on almost every item they sold. The aisles were full of signs. What once signaled a real buy, now became the norm. The result, nothing was special. Special became the new norm. Just as with college. Now that everyone, seemingly, goes to college, it’s nothing special. Now, MBAs and PHDs represent what a BS/BA was years ago. College is now glorified HS, if that, with one of the biggest career opportunities being a college tutor, helping the kids grapple with basic 101 courses. College is a BIG business and it, along with the Feds, have a nice symbiotic relationship. All of this for $30,000-40,000/year. Parents, it’s time to wake from your slumber.

I was doing the grocery shopping one morning, and saw a guy loading coffee onto a shelf being supervised by a guy wearing a tie. I remarked that 50 years ago, they used high school students for that job, but now you need a college degree to stock shelves. The guy wearing a tie turned to me, chuckled, and said that every job he had had including in high school, college, and the army, was either stocking shelves, or supervising others who were stocking shelves. You know that little bell that goes off every now and then when you say “Do I know you from somewhere?”. It turns out that he and I had stocked shelves at the Kroger at Schoolcraft and Grand River back in 1960.

“Five overweight women of various nationalities, including of course a Muslim, taking the citizenship oath and looking very somber. Yea diversity. Taking an oath to suggest they will be loyal.

Syrian-American (and ex-Muslim) Wafa Sultan in “A God Who Hates” writes of her encounters years earlier with Arab-Americans who, it seemed, could only speak and wish ill of their adopted country. “Didn’t you swear an oath of allegiance to America when you became a citizen?” She asked. “Yes, but I didn’t mean it,” was a common response.

As to the notion that every American should, or at least should be able to, go to college, it’s usually spoken of as an “investment”. But we expect to get a positive return from an investment, but beyond STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics), few disciplines provide a proper payback. Even the notion that we’re turning out “educated” people fails the test, as The New Republic demonstrated years ago when they published a high-school test from the late 19th century which most of today’s college grads couldn’t pass.

I agree with what Debbie says about the idea that everyone needs college. We need well trained skilled workers and because we always will, they can make very good livings. I was raised to believe that all honest work was honorable and even tho we had had maids when I grew up, I became one when I came to Israel because it’s what I could do and make good money at. I don’t have the physical strength anymore but if I did, I would still do it. Good cleaners make very nice money here.
Someone who can do a manual job and make good money will have the time and resources to pursue a degree, without student loans at a good state school and get the degree s/he wants for its own sake.

And some kids just struggle in school. My oldest grandson struggled to read, no matter what we did. His mother got him thru high school and now he’s working in an artisanal soap factory. He’s very good with money, supports himself and while in school worked construction and odd jobs. He is a self taught musician and builds skate boards at which he’s very proficient. He’ll do better than some of his classmates who get degrees hoping to be cube farmers.

As a former teacher, I see much or most of what used to be taught in high school being forced upward into the college years, with high school being little more than a pass-’em-on holding tank until they turn 18. I know that many kids are well prepared, but many more are not. Personally, I think people should go to school their entire lives. And, we certainly don’t need more ignorance. Maybe just an actual, good high school education would work for most. Seems like I’ve heard that only about 56% of kids in Texas “graduate” from high school. That’s pretty damned sad.

I know a couple of these. However, you forgot to mention “entitled, lazy, functionally illiterate, arrogant, sleep all day, whiny, grandiose, dope smoking, swinish and can’t tell time on a dial clock” …