A shame if true as had just hit some goal scoring form and would have been very useful when Ranger goes missing again, and after last night surely a striker in form would have been worth holding onto and giving a chance.

A shame if true as had just hit some goal scoring form and would have been very useful when Ranger goes missing again, and after last night surely a striker in form would have been worth holding onto and giving a chance.meadowred

moggy83 wrote:
Petty little comment made at the end of the report, Why not go the whole way and say my dad's bigger than your dad. Good luck Mr Waldon.

Given the tendency of some on here to criticise the re-reporting of news from other outlets without confirmation, this is probably just a reminder from the adver that they don't really have a choice at the moment!

[quote][p][bold]moggy83[/bold] wrote:
Petty little comment made at the end of the report, Why not go the whole way and say my dad's bigger than your dad. Good luck Mr Waldon.[/p][/quote]Given the tendency of some on here to criticise the re-reporting of news from other outlets without confirmation, this is probably just a reminder from the adver that they don't really have a choice at the moment!angrydan

Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.fredi

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

No opinion on what's happening on the field then?

Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...

I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.

[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]No opinion on what's happening on the field then?
Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...
I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.Swindon1984

Quote :
attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club.

Not sure if I can understand the logic behind that, why would Power use that tactic, when we are aware of the possible consequences - the person(s) suing will not get there money granted , probably me but it doesn't make sense.

Quote :
attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club.
Not sure if I can understand the logic behind that, why would Power use that tactic, when we are aware of the possible consequences - the person(s) suing will not get there money granted , probably me but it doesn't make sense.Chish and Fips

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

Thanks fredi. Heaven only knows why at least 5 people (at this early stage) do not want to be informed about this. Given your previous record of accuracy in these matters, I have no reason to suspect that you are making it up.

Is this the pretty pass that Transparent Jed has led us to?

[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]Thanks fredi. Heaven only knows why at least 5 people (at this early stage) do not want to be informed about this. Given your previous record of accuracy in these matters, I have no reason to suspect that you are making it up.
Is this the pretty pass that Transparent Jed has led us to?Oi Den!

fredi wrote: Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

No opinion on what's happening on the field then? Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget... I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.

Apologies for the last sentence, may not have made much sense.

[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote: Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]No opinion on what's happening on the field then? Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget... I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.[/p][/quote]Apologies for the last sentence, may not have made much sense.Swindon1984

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

No opinion on what's happening on the field then?

Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...

I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.

I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...

[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]No opinion on what's happening on the field then?
Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...
I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.[/p][/quote]I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...Chish and Fips

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

No opinion on what's happening on the field then?

Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...

I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.

I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...

And what if you are correct in all of that? It doesn't matter does it? What matters is whether the information is accurate, not the position of the person providing it.

[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]No opinion on what's happening on the field then?
Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...
I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.[/p][/quote]I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...[/p][/quote]And what if you are correct in all of that? It doesn't matter does it? What matters is whether the information is accurate, not the position of the person providing it.Oi Den!

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

Thanks fredi. Heaven only knows why at least 5 people (at this early stage) do not want to be informed about this. Given your previous record of accuracy in these matters, I have no reason to suspect that you are making it up.

Is this the pretty pass that Transparent Jed has led us to?

Didn't you know about the Rooney and the Italian player (can't remember name Cibboico ) ... cases then ... sure you did.
As these are probably the ones the Riddler is talking about.

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]Thanks fredi. Heaven only knows why at least 5 people (at this early stage) do not want to be informed about this. Given your previous record of accuracy in these matters, I have no reason to suspect that you are making it up.
Is this the pretty pass that Transparent Jed has led us to?[/p][/quote]Didn't you know about the Rooney and the Italian player (can't remember name Cibboico ) ... cases then ... sure you did.
As these are probably the ones the Riddler is talking about.Chish and Fips

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

No opinion on what's happening on the field then?

Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...

I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.

I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...

And what if you are correct in all of that? It doesn't matter does it? What matters is whether the information is accurate, not the position of the person providing it.

A statement with regards to 1984 saying that about the person too. - no problem there is there ... Nit picker :)

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]No opinion on what's happening on the field then?
Just a thought but given the current bad blood between publication and club, I doubt it would serves the adver's interests to dig too much into any alleged and unsubstantiated financial goings on. Even if Sam was an investigative journalist rather than a sports correspondent as many on here seem to forget...
I'd also argue if the adver does want to alienate itself further from the club they may want to be careful about the allowing allegations against the club to be hosted on their site. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff but looking at it from the advers point of view? Think you can see my point.[/p][/quote]I have a feeling this person doesn't actually care about the side, just what happens in the background.
Sounds to me like an accountant with time on their hands, or perhaps an ex STFC Accountant with time on their hands now...[/p][/quote]And what if you are correct in all of that? It doesn't matter does it? What matters is whether the information is accurate, not the position of the person providing it.[/p][/quote]A statement with regards to 1984 saying that about the person too. - no problem there is there ... Nit picker :)Chish and Fips

Chish and Fips wrote:
Grim - bad news mate - Kevin Phillips has joined Leicester until the end of the season ....

Thanks Chish
City will walk the league now.
Perhaps when he's 50 we could sign him. As manager

[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote:
Grim - bad news mate - Kevin Phillips has joined Leicester until the end of the season ....[/p][/quote]Thanks Chish
City will walk the league now.
Perhaps when he's 50 we could sign him. As managersmirg kcab

Don't be too dismissive of fredi. I have no interest in getting involved in the he's right or he's wrong debate. However, I suspect there are motives for power to ban the advertiser from the cg. Reporting on financial difficulties of the club, if again we are in difficulties, may be one of them. Maybe the reason the big screen and computerised advertising were missing on Saturday.

Don't be too dismissive of fredi. I have no interest in getting involved in the he's right or he's wrong debate. However, I suspect there are motives for power to ban the advertiser from the cg. Reporting on financial difficulties of the club, if again we are in difficulties, may be one of them. Maybe the reason the big screen and computerised advertising were missing on Saturday.Since 1950

Since 1950 wrote:
Don't be too dismissive of fredi. I have no interest in getting involved in the he's right or he's wrong debate. However, I suspect there are motives for power to ban the advertiser from the cg. Reporting on financial difficulties of the club, if again we are in difficulties, may be one of them. Maybe the reason the big screen and computerised advertising were missing on Saturday.

Can't see the logic there - the adver hasn't reported on any financial irregularities, much as our friend Freda would like them too, so I can't see evidence of an ulterior motive aside from the statement the club have already given.

[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote:
Don't be too dismissive of fredi. I have no interest in getting involved in the he's right or he's wrong debate. However, I suspect there are motives for power to ban the advertiser from the cg. Reporting on financial difficulties of the club, if again we are in difficulties, may be one of them. Maybe the reason the big screen and computerised advertising were missing on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Can't see the logic there - the adver hasn't reported on any financial irregularities, much as our friend Freda would like them too, so I can't see evidence of an ulterior motive aside from the statement the club have already given.Swindon1984

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.

Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...

[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.
Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...Cleuso

commazzi is claiming 12k per month in lost earnings for almost 2 years worth of contract, which was agreed by Wray and DiCanio, Rooney is probably claiming the difference between the contract he has at Oldham and what he would have been paid by Town under the ludicrous contract offer, again by Wray and DiCanio, how they ever thought he was worth that money is beyond belief.

I would love to know how much money those two wasted, no wonder Black decided to get out.

Whether you like what Fredi says there are three options if those cases are lost.
1. We sell a player or three on the cheap to get the money.
2. we go into Administration and face the Football league's wrath, but the debt paid to these two will be wrapped up with the other creditors
3. Power digs deep and spends 500k sorting out the issues left by the black Era.

I can see option 1 or 2 taking place in the first instance.

commazzi is claiming 12k per month in lost earnings for almost 2 years worth of contract, which was agreed by Wray and DiCanio, Rooney is probably claiming the difference between the contract he has at Oldham and what he would have been paid by Town under the ludicrous contract offer, again by Wray and DiCanio, how they ever thought he was worth that money is beyond belief.
I would love to know how much money those two wasted, no wonder Black decided to get out.
Whether you like what Fredi says there are three options if those cases are lost.
1. We sell a player or three on the cheap to get the money.
2. we go into Administration and face the Football league's wrath, but the debt paid to these two will be wrapped up with the other creditors
3. Power digs deep and spends 500k sorting out the issues left by the black Era.
I can see option 1 or 2 taking place in the first instance.you gots ta be kidding me

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.

Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...

It's news to me that the sums of money involved are large enough to jeopardise the future of the club.

[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.
Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...[/p][/quote]It's news to me that the sums of money involved are large enough to jeopardise the future of the club.Oi Den!

fredi wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.

This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.

Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...

It's news to me that the sums of money involved are large enough to jeopardise the future of the club.

No the size of the amounts are not news.

Den, I thought you were an active follower of all things STFC.... the amounts have all been in the public arena for ages... only the use of the "A" word used to raise the temperature ... back to the game of poker.

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fredi[/bold] wrote:
Sam, until this petty spat with Power blows over, it is clear the club is not going to be helpful in your efforts to update us on player related news. In the meantime, please focus your attention on behind the scenes issues which are again about to engulf our club. There are several significant lawsuits pending, two of which come to a head in the next few weeks. I stick by my view that Power is better for the club than his predecessor, but I am very concerned that he is attempting to settle these cases by threatening to put the club into the dreaded admin if his terms are not accepted by those suing the club. The amounts claimed in the first two cases total more than £500,000 and will necessitate Power digging deep into his personal pocket, even if he can achieve an out of court settlement at a lower figure. Threats of admin merely raise concern that investor appetite or financial muscle are not as great as promised. Please Sam seek assurances that Power is willing to deal with these issues properly.[/p][/quote]This isn't new news. Those issues have been outstanding for a while, of course at some stage they will come to fruition, that's the way that legal cases work. Everyone knows the individuals concerned and their names are already in the public arena.
Negotiations on legal disputes are always acted out like a game of poker, bluff and counter bluff we can discuss it all we like but really have no influence on the outcomes... what ever happens, happens and fans will have to live with that outcome and all it brings (if anything)...[/p][/quote]It's news to me that the sums of money involved are large enough to jeopardise the future of the club.[/p][/quote]No the size of the amounts are not news.
Den, I thought you were an active follower of all things STFC.... the amounts have all been in the public arena for ages... only the use of the "A" word used to raise the temperature ... back to the game of poker.Cleuso

Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.

Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.Oi Den!

Oi Den! wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.

It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.

Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.

The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.[/p][/quote]It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.
Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.
The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.Cleuso

Oi Den! wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.

It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.

Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.

The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.

Hang on a sec Cleuso. Are you seriously trying to tell me that McCrory took the club on without knowing anything about the terms of the the players' contracts? How long does it take to obtain a list of salaries and peruse 20 odd contracts to determine the length of the obligations? Rooney's contract didn't suddenly "pop out of the waste paper basket". McCrory tried to put it there. It was well known that most of our players were well paid. The details would have been among the first things a buyer would have wanted to know, and they would have been readily available. This due diligence stuff is nonsense and all part of the smokescreen - unless of course due diligence means "let's see what contracts we can fail to honour".

[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.[/p][/quote]It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.
Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.
The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.[/p][/quote]Hang on a sec Cleuso. Are you seriously trying to tell me that McCrory took the club on without knowing anything about the terms of the the players' contracts? How long does it take to obtain a list of salaries and peruse 20 odd contracts to determine the length of the obligations? Rooney's contract didn't suddenly "pop out of the waste paper basket". McCrory tried to put it there. It was well known that most of our players were well paid. The details would have been among the first things a buyer would have wanted to know, and they would have been readily available. This due diligence stuff is nonsense and all part of the smokescreen - unless of course due diligence means "let's see what contracts we can fail to honour".Oi Den!

Oi Den! wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.

It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.

Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.

The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.

Hang on a sec Cleuso. Are you seriously trying to tell me that McCrory took the club on without knowing anything about the terms of the the players' contracts? How long does it take to obtain a list of salaries and peruse 20 odd contracts to determine the length of the obligations? Rooney's contract didn't suddenly &quot;pop out of the waste paper basket". McCrory tried to put it there. It was well known that most of our players were well paid. The details would have been among the first things a buyer would have wanted to know, and they would have been readily available. This due diligence stuff is nonsense and all part of the smokescreen - unless of course due diligence means "let's see what contracts we can fail to honour".

Who knows what was or wasn't looked at... it wouldn't (shouldn't) have been just 20 players contracts for sure .... to identify everything that may have been contingent on other things happening eg. promotion bonuses etc may or may not have been as simple as you try to explain it.. difficult to predict that forward from an earlier fixed point in time and within time pressures. There are far more salary commitments than the 20 players you quote..its not a simplistic thing

All I am saying is that to discover everything in the time available was probably not possible. The full audit was probably to discover anything that to that time remained undiscovered at the time of the takeover. Sometimes "business" is about risk management and good decision making..those that get that right usually prosper, taking chances without full knowledge can fall either way, let alone having any "emotional" state thrown into the mix and having an influence over the decision making.

That interpretation has more logic in my mind than due diligence being quoted as a "smokescreen" ..guess we will disagree on that point but perhaps one day we will know then again perhaps not....because simply unless you were involved directly it is unlikely anyone else knows at present.

Nice debate this afternoon though

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote:
Obviously not following closely enough then! Who has put these figures into the public domain? If they are contractual obligations totalling £500k and McCrory/Power couldn't/can't/won't pay them, what the hell were they doing acquiring the club in the first place? I don't know what's going on with Comazzi but I do know that the club has tried wheedle its way out of its obligations to Rooney on a technicality. He ran his arse off for us. (Some of the current players could learn a thing or two from that). If he wasn't worth what he was being paid, that's tough. It's not his fault the club agreed to pay it.[/p][/quote]It has been widely quoted the club purchase was without proper full due diligence given the tight time scales that persisted at the time. No doubt part of the reason as full audit was put in place to ensure all contractural obligations, both on and off the field became known.
Timelines need to be considered when actions are questioned furtherdown the lines, don't forget Di Canio was still manager at the time of the takeover, although when he actually left/resigned whatever is still a bit clouded in my mind at least.
The issues relate to here and no doubt others that popped out of the waste paper basket are subject to the ongoing negotiations. Nothing to fret about until the legal decisions are made, don't forget Portmouth are still paying for players monthly/ quarterly years down the line from when they left.[/p][/quote]Hang on a sec Cleuso. Are you seriously trying to tell me that McCrory took the club on without knowing anything about the terms of the the players' contracts? How long does it take to obtain a list of salaries and peruse 20 odd contracts to determine the length of the obligations? Rooney's contract didn't suddenly "pop out of the waste paper basket". McCrory tried to put it there. It was well known that most of our players were well paid. The details would have been among the first things a buyer would have wanted to know, and they would have been readily available. This due diligence stuff is nonsense and all part of the smokescreen - unless of course due diligence means "let's see what contracts we can fail to honour".[/p][/quote]Who knows what was or wasn't looked at... it wouldn't (shouldn't) have been just 20 players contracts for sure .... to identify everything that may have been contingent on other things happening eg. promotion bonuses etc may or may not have been as simple as you try to explain it.. difficult to predict that forward from an earlier fixed point in time and within time pressures. There are far more salary commitments than the 20 players you quote..its not a simplistic thing
All I am saying is that to discover everything in the time available was probably not possible. The full audit was probably to discover anything that to that time remained undiscovered at the time of the takeover. Sometimes "business" is about risk management and good decision making..those that get that right usually prosper, taking chances without full knowledge can fall either way, let alone having any "emotional" state thrown into the mix and having an influence over the decision making.
That interpretation has more logic in my mind than due diligence being quoted as a "smokescreen" ..guess we will disagree on that point but perhaps one day we will know then again perhaps not....because simply unless you were involved directly it is unlikely anyone else knows at present.
Nice debate this afternoon thoughCleuso

Chish and Fips wrote:
Hat and coat on now - I'm off, leave you lot to it now ...thank god I hear you all say.... TTFN

yep!

Too slow that was yesterday... I'm back and reading your words about electric bills ... awe inspiring it is ... ;o(

[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote:
Hat and coat on now - I'm off, leave you lot to it now ...thank god I hear you all say.... TTFN[/p][/quote]yep![/p][/quote]Too slow that was yesterday... I'm back and reading your words about electric bills ... awe inspiring it is ... ;o(Chish and Fips

Spot on 1950! Take note Chish and actually have a think- now why do you think the advertising hoardings and big screen might have been removed? Have a guess- have you cottoned on yet? No? Well could it be that like the lecky bill the club haven't paid the rental fees. I realise you won't have seen these in action - and of course another reason could be they found out the meter was whizzing round at a fair rate of knots -:)

Spot on 1950! Take note Chish and actually have a think- now why do you think the advertising hoardings and big screen might have been removed? Have a guess- have you cottoned on yet? No? Well could it be that like the lecky bill the club haven't paid the rental fees. I realise you won't have seen these in action - and of course another reason could be they found out the meter was whizzing round at a fair rate of knots -:)The Jockster

The Jockster wrote:
You are just miffed because I was absolutely spot on on that score :))

not really even IF you are ... bigger fish in the tank to fry if all is to be believed by your head Shepard Fredi ... baaa baaa !!

[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote:
You are just miffed because I was absolutely spot on on that score :))[/p][/quote]not really even IF you are ... bigger fish in the tank to fry if all is to be believed by your head Shepard Fredi ... baaa baaa !!Chish and Fips

The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950! Take note Chish and actually have a think- now why do you think the advertising hoardings and big screen might have been removed? Have a guess- have you cottoned on yet? No? Well could it be that like the lecky bill the club haven't paid the rental fees. I realise you won't have seen these in action - and of course another reason could be they found out the meter was whizzing round at a fair rate of knots -:)

My god your obsessed with this ....

I know of huge companies - one particular in Swindon that managed these on the red bills ... so sometimes it can be another red herring.. and also if it is wasting money where's the problem, sensible I would say ..
Can we leave it there - not exactly high on the agenda I would say.

[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote:
Spot on 1950! Take note Chish and actually have a think- now why do you think the advertising hoardings and big screen might have been removed? Have a guess- have you cottoned on yet? No? Well could it be that like the lecky bill the club haven't paid the rental fees. I realise you won't have seen these in action - and of course another reason could be they found out the meter was whizzing round at a fair rate of knots -:)[/p][/quote]My god your obsessed with this ....
I know of huge companies - one particular in Swindon that managed these on the red bills ... so sometimes it can be another red herring.. and also if it is wasting money where's the problem, sensible I would say ..
Can we leave it there - not exactly high on the agenda I would say.Chish and Fips

The Jockster wrote:
You are just miffed because I was absolutely spot on on that score :))

not really even IF you are ... bigger fish in the tank to fry if all is to be believed by your head Shepard Fredi ... baaa baaa !!

Ah yes the Shepherd who's been more right than wrong! Keep those Stevie Wonder specs on - still doesn't matter really with you not being a supporter eh!

[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote:
You are just miffed because I was absolutely spot on on that score :))[/p][/quote]not really even IF you are ... bigger fish in the tank to fry if all is to be believed by your head Shepard Fredi ... baaa baaa !![/p][/quote]Ah yes the Shepherd who's been more right than wrong! Keep those Stevie Wonder specs on - still doesn't matter really with you not being a supporter eh!The Jockster