I think you have to put 2-3 minutes on the front to let the person tune in and the distractions fade off. There's a concentration zone that takes a little time to get into. After that lead-in, 20 to 30 minutes is about right to get a good sample. No fair trying to distract a contestant, either. It's a solitary game, not like counting a BJ table.

Personally, I think 20 min is the perfect amount of time. Not too long, not too short(can you put a 20 min video up on Youtube?).

With a 10 min session, its possible someone could have a much easier session of hands. One with a lot of obvious dealt paying hands and few difficult ones. For instance, a dealt flush can be recognized, held in one motion and drawn almost instantly without even thinking. It's the same with some other hands like a dealt 3 of a kind, dealt full house, and even dealt pay pairs(this is one of the times I do recommend holding all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind). Meanwhile, Someone is going to be playing 9/6 and get something like Ks 10s 9d 3s 4d and then As Ks 10s 10d 5s.

ive seen entire movies on youtube.

i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.

or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.so fastest to 333 hands w/o error. plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)

hm.. or 20min w/o error,any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.

for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?

Last edited by: 100xOdds on Oct 12, 2017

Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)

i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.

or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.so fastest to 333 hands w/o error. plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)

hm.. or 20min w/o error,any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.

for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?

You hold the 4 flush in both.

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i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.

or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.so fastest to 333 hands w/o error. plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)

hm.. or 20min w/o error,any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.

for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?

IIRC you hold 4 to the flush on both 9/6 DDB and JOB in that situation. On JOB I assume the extra 10 penalizes the 3 card RF hand (fewer straights, 2 pairs and a 3 of a kind) reverting the hand to the 4 flush instead of the 3 card royal. I think most people take the 3 card RF anyways.

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IIRC you hold 4 to the flush on both 9/6 DDB and JOB in that situation. On JOB I assume the extra 10 penalizes the 3 card RF hand (fewer straights, 2 pairs and a 3 of a kind) reverting the hand to the 4 flush instead of the 3 card royal. I think most people take the 3 card RF anyways.

ahh.. penalty cards. I don't use them since the +.02% EV gained isn't worth the effort for me.I just use the Wiz's JoB intermediate strategy.and hence why I would fail this challenge.

also, on As Ks 10s 10d 5s, the extra Ten shouldn't have any effect on straight possibilities if you hold AKTs?

Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)

I'm wondering if one could crank out more hands-on something like Pick'em?

I won't allow Pick 'Em. Too easy to play.

I other news, a non-active member has PM'd me, claiming he can get up to 2,100 HPH. We plan to meet up tomorrow afternoon. He wants to play two machines. I need a second person to record the second machine. I'm willing to pay a fee for your help. Anyone interested? PM me for time and place.

Last edited by: Wizard on Oct 12, 2017

It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

I have done four media interviews about the Vegas shooting and one thing that the interviewers seem incredible is my assertion that some highly skilled video poker players can play 1,000 hands per hour accurately, or more. Personally, my speed would impress nobody but I'm also 52 years old.

What I'm looking is somebody who can at least play close to 1,000 hand per hour (HPH) to establish some kind of record to beat. You can play any form of video poker you like, including two machines. I will just stand back and record the play on my iPhone. Later I will take it home and study every hand for accuracy as well as take a count of hands. Some kind of penalty will apply to any hands played incorrectly, according to the degree of lost EV in the error. I will allow anyone interested to remain anonymous. I am willing to pay something in return for allowing me to post the video on YouTube. Play must be done on a Game King (edited).

Who is up for the challenge?

I believe pick 'em falls under the "any form of video poker you like"!!

I other news, a non-active member has PM'd me, claiming he can get up to 2,100 HPH. We plan to meet up tomorrow afternoon. He wants to play two machines. I need a second person to record the second machine. I'm willing to pay a fee for your help. Anyone interested? PM me for time and place.

How many 'errors' do you expect him to make during a 2,100 hand session lasting an hour? Assuming you call any play that gives up any EV an error. 25?