-------------Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

Posted By: Cyril
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 2:57am

yaa rubb = actually not "my Lord" but "O Lord".

But "my Lord!" can also be considered as a vocative so it is right too, I think.There is a shadda on top of the "b" so it must be duplicated as the "m" in Muhammad.The "a" of yaa is long.

Herjihad is right, islaam means submission, not peace, although both islaam and salaam (peace) derive from the same root.

Posted By: truthseeker100
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 9:51am

Originally posted by Cyril

yaa rubb = actually not "my Lord" but "O Lord".

But "my Lord!" can also be considered as a vocative so it is right too, I think.There is a shadda on top of the "b" so it must be duplicated as the "m" in Muhammad.The "a" of yaa is long.

Herjihad is right, islaam means submission, not peace, although both islaam and salaam (peace) derive from the same root.

Islam and Muslims

The name of this religion is Islam, the root of which is Silm and Salam which means peace. Salam may also mean greeting one another with peace. One of the beautiful names of God is that He is the Peace. It means more than that: submission to the One God, and to live in peace with the Creator, within one's self, with other people and with the environment. Thus, Islam is a total system of living. A Muslim is supposed to live in peace and harmony with all these segments; hence, a Muslim is any person anywhere in the world whose obedience, allegiance, and loyalty are to God, the Lord of the Universe.

The root of the word islâm is not silm or salâm but the consonants s-l-m which convey an idea of peace or safety.Arabic roots are made up of mostly three consonants.

Islâm is derived from the verb aslama which means to submit, to surrender, and other meanings implying a lowering of oneself. It is of course related to the notion of peace as you can only submit when you are in a peaceful state.

The root of the word islâm is not silm or salâm but the consonants s-l-m which convey an idea of peace or safety.Arabic roots are made up of mostly three consonants.

Islâm is derived from the verb aslama which means to submit, to surrender, and other meanings implying a lowering of oneself. It is of course related to the notion of peace as you can only submit when you are in a peaceful state.

Ya Rubbee is a wonderful thing to say, and people use different emphasis depending upon our needed or intended urgency. Sometimes we'll hear Yaaaaa Rabbee! And I've also heard Yaa Rabbbbeee.

-------------Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

Posted By: Cyril
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 1:46pm

shukran jaziilan yaa Herjihad

Posted By: truthseeker100
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 6:48am

Thanks Cyril for your explanation that you accept that Islam means submission and peace both.

I would appreciate if you could also provide links that I can refer to increase my knowledge of Arabic language that I am still learning. I have 2 master degrees and a degree in teaching, but don’t have any in Arabic, and as a Muslimah with a mother of 3 little kids, I want command in Arabic too so I could teach my kids, and understand Qur’an better without any translation.

I also searched IC Q/A, and found some information here:

Question:

What is Islam?

Answer:

Dear G. Greetings from Islamicity's Imam. Your question can be answered in one sentence or in five volumes. Due to the nature of this section, we will remain brief but if you need more information, please write us in the future specifying exactly what you need to know. ISLAM is an Arabic term for Submission to the Will of God. The root of the word Islam, is S-L-M, which also means Peace. Muslims are the people who submit to the Will of God. They believe that God is One, He has no partners, no Sons, no Daughters, no Wives, and nothing compares to Him. He is the Creator and He has sent prophets and messengers to human beings to believe in Him, to preach righteousness, and to apply the Divine Law on earth. Among such prophets are Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad (peace be upon all of them). Muslims believe in all of the Books that the Messengers of God have brought to their communities. This includes the original versions of the Psalms, the Torah, and the New Testament. Mohammad, the prophet who was born in the sixth century a.d., also received revelation that is called the Qur'an, and until now, the Qur'an has remained intact from any human intervention or fabrication. This is in brief what Islam is. If you need more information, write us or read the articles in Islamicity (www.islam.org). Thank you for asking and God knows best.

Reference:

IslamiCity

Posted By: Cyril
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 2:39am

Truthseeker

This specific forum is dedicated to the Arabic language. So we are only discussing the meaning of words.I never said that the word Islam means submission AND peace, because it means only submission, surrender. I said that to surrender you have to be in a non-aggressive attitude or mood which can relate to the notion of peace. It is difficult to expect a surrender from someone fighting you. You have to wait that he stops fighting before surrendering.The Islamicity imam says the same. The "peace" translation is in the Semitic root SLM not in its derivative "islaam".

As for studying Arabic I don't use any links. At the moment I am busy with the Quran in Arabic. So I use Grammar books and translations in different languages. If the understanding is not too difficult English or French will do, otherwise I turn to German too.When I have a specific question about grammar I ask on a language forum, for example the Arabic section of Wordreference.In two instances I even had to go to our local university at the Arabic language and civilization department to get an answer from scholars.

Posted By: truthseeker100
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 7:32am

Originally posted by Cyril

Truthseeker

This specific forum is dedicated to the Arabic language. So we are only discussing the meaning of words.I never said that the word Islam means submission AND peace, because it means only submission, surrender. I said that to surrender you have to be in a non-aggressive attitude or mood which can relate to the notion of peace. It is difficult to expect a surrender from someone fighting you. You have to wait that he stops fighting before surrendering.The Islamicity imam says the same. The "peace" translation is in the Semitic root SLM not in its derivative "islaam".

As for studying Arabic I don't use any links. At the moment I am busy with the Quran in Arabic. So I use Grammar books and translations in different languages. If the understanding is not too difficult English or French will do, otherwise I turn to German too.When I have a specific question about grammar I ask on a language forum, for example the Arabic section of Wordreference.In two instances I even had to go to our local university at the Arabic language and civilization department to get an answer from scholars.

Thank you, Cyril, to clarify what you actually meant.

I did further research and asked an Arabic teacher in my neighborhood. She told me that the root ( S-L-M ) means peace. Even though derived word, Islam, means submission, the meaning of the root word would still have influence over it. So, that way, Islam means submission with peace. Submission with a notion of peace would, therefore, describe what Islam stands for. Even when you are forced to fight in self-defense, you do it in peace, only for the sake of Allah. In Islam, one submits to Allah at all times, in the times of peace, wars, pain, ease etc. to attain peace.

I understand that this thread shouldn’t have been used for this type of discussion. But, I think, it was important to clear the doubt about what Islam means and stands for.

I did not want to go into theological matters but remain in the linguistic realm.

You and Truthseeker do not seem to accept the linguistic fact that the word "islaam" does not mean peace.

As you keep drawing the discussion to a religious level where Islam as a religion is supposed to mean peace, then I can follow suit and ask you what do you think of the many "jihad" verses in the Quran? If Islam means peace, does it also mean war?

Posted By: truthseeker100
Date Posted: 25 October 2006 at 5:42am

Originally posted by Cyril

Angel

I did not want to go into theological matters but remain in the linguistic realm.

You and Truthseeker do not seem to accept the linguistic fact that the word "islaam" does not mean peace.

As you keep drawing the discussion to a religious level where Islam as a religion is supposed to mean peace, then I can follow suit and ask you what do you think of the many "jihad" verses in the Quran? If Islam means peace, does it also mean war?

Anything one does in Islam is by submission to Allah to attain peace. I have already made it clear in my third post.