Land Grab: Israeli Knesset passes law legalizing expropriation of privately-owned Palestinian land

A Palestinian stands on his property overlooking the Israeli settlement Har Homa, West Bank, February 18, 2011. (Photo: UPI/Debbie Hill)

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The Israeli Knesset on Monday passed a controversial new law that allows the Israeli government to expropriate private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, making more than a dozen Israeli settlements legal under Israeli law.

The unprecedented bill passed late Monday night with 60 votes in favor to 52 against, according to Palestinian government news agency Wafa. The legislation, refered to as the “Regularization Bill,” legalizes more than 4,000 settler outpost units under Israeli law, and has been dubbed the first step toward de facto annexation.

It is the first time in history that the Knesset has imposed Israeli civil law the occupied West Bank, which is under Israeli military and civilian rule.

Bayit Yehudi party MK Bezalel Smotrich, one of the sponsors of the bill, said the law was “a historic step toward the completion of a process that we plan to lead; the application of full Israeli sovereignty on all the cities and communities in Judea and Samaria,” according to the Jerusalem Post.

The law is in direct contravention with international law, which deems all Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem illegal.

Following the vote, international and local human rights groups strongly condemned the new legislation.

Meanwhile, the European Union canceled a summit between Israel and the European Union scheduled for Feb, 28, according to Israeli daily Haaretz. The daily reported that France, Sweden, Ireland, The Netherlands and Finland publicly “expressed their reservations regarding the summit,” and that “some countries argued that holding a meeting at this time would be akin to rewarding Israel for its bad conduct.”

B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights NGO, called the bill a “slap in the face of the international community.”

“The Knesset today proved yet again that Israel has no intention of ending its control over the Palestinians or its theft of their land. Lending a semblance of legality to this ongoing act of plunder is a disgrace for the state and its legislature,” the group said in a statement.

Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine Country Director at Human Rights Watch, said the legislation, “reflects Israel’s manifest disregard of international law.”

“The bill further entrenches the current reality in the West Bank of de facto permanent occupation where Israeli settlers and Palestinians living in the same territory are subject to ‘separate and unequal’ systems of laws, rules and services,” Shakir said. “Israeli officials driving settlement policy should know that the Trump administration cannot shield them from the scrutiny of the International Criminal Court, where the prosecutor continues to examine unlawful Israeli settlement activity.”

On Monday, the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) said passing such a law would amount to a “declaration of war.”

After the vote, PLO Executive Committee Member Dr. Hanan Ashrawi expressed concern for what the law could mean for future land annexation by Israel.

“Such a law signals the final annexation of the West Bank. Not only does it attempt to retroactively legalize the settlements and outposts built on Palestinian private property, it also gives clear license to the settlers to embark on a land grab in the occupied West Bank with impunity,” she said.

“Israel is authorizing the unlawful act of land theft and its illegal settlement activities which are a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and an egregious violation of international law and conventions,” she said. “ All settlements are illegal, whether on private property or on state land that belongs to the Palestinian collective as a whole.”

“This also proves beyond doubt that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his extremist, racist coalition government are deliberately breaking the law and destroying the very foundations of the two-state solution and the chances for peace and stability.”

Xavier Abu Eid, a spokesperson for the PLO’s Negotiations Affairs Department said the law essentially “legalized theft of Palestinian land” adding that the legislation “negates peace and the possibility of the two-state solution.”

“Looting is illegal,” Abu Eid said. “All Israeli settlements in Occupied Palestine are illegal and a war crime regardless of any law passed by the Israeli parliament or any decision taken by any Israeli judge.”

Peace Now, an Israeli NGO aimed at promoting a two-state solution, strongly condemned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for being “willing to compromise the future of both Israelis and Palestinians in order to satisfy a small group of extreme settlers for the sake of his own political survival” and called on the Israeli Supreme Court to overturn the legislation.

“By passing this law, Netanyahu makes theft an official Israeli policy and stains the Israeli law books. By giving a green light to settlers to build illegally on private Palestinian land, the legalization law is another step towards annexation and away from a two-state solution. In light of this madness, we must act as the responsible adults and turn to the Supreme Court in order to strike down this dangerous law,” the group said in a statement.

About Sheren Khalel

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After filling the West Bank with settlements, what is mister Netanyahu planning to do with the remaining palestinians?? Put them into a concentration camp and bully them to death?? I do not understand his logic.. ?? These people are there, they need a place to live and they won’t dissapear just By wishing and pretending that they weren’t there..

Does someone have any idea where is Netanyahu aiming at with his politics and actions in the Palestinian territories?? What is his ideal he is working for and what is the role of the palestinians in that plan??

There can surely only be one objective, that is to make Palestinian lives enough of a misery to persuade them to move out “with compensation’. There must be hope that Trump will regard a compensation deal as the crowning achievement of his deal-making career. There mustn’t be extreme scandal that would not be forgotten and that would destroy morale. Indeed, it’s very importsnt that a small, photogenic minority stay in place. If the big majority of Palestinians does not move out Zionism will fail in the end and they know it.

Nutayahu might be preparing his next election by trying to upset the Palestinians into reacting and launching another Intifada. Then Gaza’s population will be bombed, and also Palestinian cities and villages in the West Bank and East Jerusalem… Nutayahoo will manage to use some fake news or invented victimhood story like the last election «Arabs voting surge» to claim that Israeli Jews are victims of another shoah’s attempt… Watch « Occupation 101 » again to see what it was like before the arrival of the European Zionists and their secret terror organizations like the Irgun, back in 1945:

eminent domain: the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

In my most humble opinion, eminent domain that…
– is exercised judiciously by a government for the greater benefit of its citizens; and
– provides fair compensation (or better) for the properties that have been expropriated,
…is not rape.

The actions of the state of Israel – expropriating non-Israeli territory from non-Israelis in order to establish Jewish colonies in not-Israel – is rape, no matter how much money is thrown at the victims.

|| Jackdaw: @eljay And what do you call it when the Palestine Authority forbids Arab citizens from selling their privately owned land to Jews? That’s called…what? … ||

Assuming the PA is the government of those “Arab citizens”, I would call it a discriminatory policy. The policy does not justify Israel’s on-going theft, occupation and colonization of non-Israeli territory.

|| … And while we’re on the subject, what is the penalty an Arab will suffer if he violates PA law and sells his land to a Jew? ||

I don’t know what it is, but it doesn’t justify Israel’s on-going theft, occupation and colonization of non-Israeli territory.

No. The law is a holdover from the illegal Jordanian occupation, when, in fact, the two States were at war.
Israel and Jordan have since signed a peace treaty, and Israel and the PA have signed the Oslo Agreement. The PA and Israel regularly cooperate in matters of security, water, electricity, taxes, etc.

There was nothing “illegal” regarding the Jordanian occupation. It wasn’t even belligerent contrary to the illegal and prolonged Israeli occupation which expells, disposesses and disenfrenchensizes the occupied and illegally settles in occupied territories.

So it’s actually funny, if you of all people call the Jordanian occupation illegal.

Thks Eljay and Jon 66. I wasn,t expecting Jokedaw to find it.In any case as eljay points out , it still does not excuse Israels ongoing land theft .Btw , it would not surprise me if those who did sell land were not forced through blackmail by Jokedaw,s beloved zionist entity.

One might be given to believe that Jokedaw cares about those Palestinians who sell land to Israelis .

It is very easy to understand why selling land to a state that is in the process of forcing your people off your land and stealing it would be considered an act of treason.

The penalty is not death. The maximum penalty is death. The death penalty must be approved by the president of the PA.

In Israel the maximum penalty is also death. In many countries the maximum penalty is death.

You want all the rights and privileges extended to you at the same time you are murdering, oppressing, stealing and denying the rights of those people you complain about.

A nasty racist supremacist is woven in your fabric so that you view everything through that moral perversion.

You want the situation normalized and to be able to buy land? I am sure in the long run the Palestinians won’t care who buys the house next door provided it remains part of Palestine.

Stop your whining and griping. Get your boots off of their necks. Stop killing their kids. Let them exercise their rights to a full state and sign a peace agreement.

The same goes for your churlish whining about being denied entry to Arab countries. You are at war with those countries. You (Israel) use it as an excuse every time you violate their sovereignty in violation of ceasefires and other agreements. Why the hell would they allow an Israeli be allowed to visit when a state of war exists.

The Arab nations have made multiple offers for peace. In writing. Israel has not made a single written offer to date and has not responded to the Arab offers with a counter offer once.

In other words it’s your own damn fault for being a bunch of belligerent theives with every interest in stealing land and no interest in obtaining peace.

And no, the 3 nos don’t count. They only said no to those things until Israel withdraws from the occupation and allows Palestinians their rights. Again your fault.

How odd. A) Israel signed and Armistice AGREEMENT, leaving Jordan in control of what was officially renamed the West Bank.

B) According to your stupid assertion Israel’s Occupation of non-Israeli territories under the same Armistice AGREEMENT must also have been illegal

C) Your giving an example of a state Israel IS NOT at war with is sooooo funny (all ZioLogic is )

D) The law is still in force because Israel is still at war with Lebanon, Syria and Palestine

“Israel and Jordan have since signed a peace treaty, and Israel and the PA have signed the Oslo Agreement. The PA and Israel regularly cooperate in matters of security, water, electricity, taxes, etc.”

Amazing. And withdrawal from Egypt’s territories resulted in Peace with Egypt and Israel (per UNSC 242)

Now about Palestinian , Syrian, Lebanese territories Israel currently occupies.

“And the sentence for selling land to an Israeli (Jew and Arab?), is death. “

‘Jew and Arab?’ I gave you the law verbatim. “Israeli”

“And the sentence for selling land to an Israeli … is death”

See even you write “Israeli” . And yes, I did give a link to penalties for treason by countries.

BTW how often has it been carried out in Palestine? Unlike Israel for whom assassination of non-Jews without trial is almost an everyday occurrence

Finally WTF has it to do with Israel’s ILLEGAL acquisition of non-Israeli territories?

In so far as questions are raised it also raises a mutlitude of other questions.

What would Palestine look like if it hadn’t been under the boots of zionist thugs for the half century.

What would Israel look like if it hadn’t waged a war of terror on the population on the land.

What would Israel look like if it hadn’t prevented Palestinians from equal access to land by handling land issues through the oepnly racist JNF.

What would the West Bank look like if Israel hadn’t been strangling it’s economy for a half century.

What would Israel look like if it wasn’t run as a racist state in terms of the operation of it’s laws ensuring an under provision of finances and resources to it’s minorities.

I’m sure we could spend days listing the questions.

The answer to all of them is, no one knows. zionists engage in ficitonal alternate realities and live in an alternate reality where wrong is right, objecting to racism is racism, advocating for equality is racism. Murdering medics are heroes!

2, Free market , indeed it is flourishing in “The West Bank. Jews see a plot of Palestinian land and decide to set up shop without involving the legitimate owner in the deal. I see what you mean by free market.

Listen Jokedaw , if the illegal squatter thieves break camp and head back to wherever they crawled out of , the Palestinians would have no reason to have laws to deal with Palestinians who aid and abet the enemy.

You are so full of it.I am surprised that zionists are still subjected to the laws of gravity.

But you did throw it out there to distract from Israel’s on-going theft, occupation and colonization of non-Israeli territory.

|| … but the forbidden real estate sales law (w/death penalty), raises the question, what would Judea and Samaria look like if the free market was allowed to flourish. ||

The question it raises is what would geographic Palestine look like if Zionists hadn’t established an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine and then spent subsequent decades committing (war) crimes with impunity and deliberately undermining international laws and human rights.

“… That is what I read on the news.the landowners will have to be compensated.what is also strange is that there are no reports on who the landowers are.names of families etc.”

Landowners only own real estate it’s their individual choice to pursue compensation or not. They’d be named only when and if they make a claim, when Israel eventually recognizes its legal obligations or is dragged kicking and kvetching to the Hague

Territory and its resources on the other hand, belong to all the legitimate inhabitants of the territory whether they own real estate or rent/lease real estate or live homeless under a bridge. Compensation for territory and its resources and compensation for hardship etc Israel has never been able to afford to pay

But leaving that aside for a second the only answer anyone could really give you at this stage is that what the law states in terms of compensation are totally irrelevant to the future operation of Israel and implementation of the law.

Israel ignores…

International Law
International Humanitarian Law
Geneva Conventions
Decisions by the ICJ
Decisions by it’s own HCJ
It’s own laws by rewriting those laws to legalize events after they occur

It is totally irrelevant what the law supposedly states in terms of compensation as Israel has proved repetitively that it will ignore the law whenever it wants to on whatever pretense it wants to us.

There is not a chance in hell that Israel will compensate anyone fairly if by some fluke of happenstance it should ever compensate anyone.

Israel is a state whose laws and words cannot be trusted in any way and it is Israel’s repeated actions which have created that situation

By the way said compensation needs to be way beyond the value of the land as people have been denied use of their land for many decades and, as well, are being denied the use of their property in the future.

It is theft. Pure theft. Theft of private property and theft of territory belonging to another state.

“What is his ideal he is working for and what is the role of the palestinians in that plan?? – ”
I think that ultimately Netanyahu wants Israel to incorporate the four major settlements. The way he sees it, Palestinians have a lot of support abroad, so he has to counterbalance that by applying constant pressure. The settlements is the one thing that seems to hurt the Palestinians, so that’s what he is going to do. The more pressure from the outside, the more settlements get built. Until some point where a peace treaty is preferable to both sides, this will continue. Finland was forced to give up Karelia to Russia so there you have a good precedent.

Yes, it was, but the difference is that we were able to keep a piece of our own land without an occupation, and the over 400 000 finnish people who had to move away from Karelia, found slowly their place in the society where ever they had been placed to.

At the same time palestinians lost most of their land and part of them have since then been living in refugee camps and under Israels occupation. So for the palestinians it means that once their land was taken and they ran away and now the rest of their land is taken too, so there is no place to run to anymore.

It has taken us about three generations to recover from the war and the consequences of it , for the palestinians the war never ended and they have still not been able to even start their recovery..

|| catalan: … The way [Bibi] sees it, Palestinians have a lot of support abroad, so he has to counterbalance that by applying constant pressure. The settlements is the one thing that seems to hurt the Palestinians, so that’s what he is going to do. The more pressure from the outside, the more settlements get built. … ||

0/10 for effort – to make an excuse for Israel by quoting the example of Karelia, when we have a new (and most welcome) commentator here from Finland, who will know far more than you about the subject, is foolish in the extreme.

@Kaisa of Finland
“Does someone have any idea where is Netanyahu aiming at with his politics and actions in the Palestinian territories?? What is his ideal he is working for and what is the role of the palestinians in that plan?? ”

The Yahoo`s Plan A is to stay as Prime Minister as long as humanely possible and to potentially earn a Guinness Book of Records entry as the longest serving elected leader of a great Western standard nation. His only rival for the record at the moment is I think a fellow intellectual traveller the great Robert Mugabe. In order to achieve that he has to keep up with the Joneses. In his case the Joneses are the Himmlerlike Naftali Bennett and the marginally less unhinged Avidor Lieberman. With regards to the I/P conflict and late departed 2SS his only Plan has been to keep the charade of wanting one to one negotiations on borders and peace whilst doing everything possible to scupper the possibility of these succeeding or now ever taking place thus the “unhelpful” (sic) expansion of settlements. As for the actual demographic reality of the Palestinians in his beloved Eretz Israel well best just not think about it and it will go away appears to be his cunning stategy.. He has no Plan B,C,D … Z. As for the aforesaid Bennett and Lieberman they are I think more thorough in their planning and this includes I believe everything in the ethnic cleansing catalogue short of extermination as even they realise the civilised world would not allow Israel to get away with that and besides they it would mean that Zionists would forfeit once and for all their greatest victims in the history of humanity comfort blanket.

I’m proud of the American Jewish community for having crossed the Rubicon – the ADL, J Street, etc and isolating Adelson, ZOA, Netanyahu and the Settlers

This is the split we have needed – it’s an undeniable public split of Jewish Power in the US and it’s front page news. This is the learning curve that the rest of America needs to get up to speed on 1P1V1S and WHY

It’s a matter of replacing the Apartheid One State with the 1P1V1S One State – easy to understand, everyone gets the vote

In concert with UN SCR 2334, the tsunami of international opinion including US liberal Jews overwhelming this Palestine Annexation Law, the ICC will be all over Israel like a hot cheap suit now.
I guess Derschowitz’s House of Cards Case for Israel will now be shown in full in flagrante delicto violation of Article 4 of the Geneva Conventions, etc,

Now all we need is the Pre-Bon Voyage indictment of Netanyahu for bribery BEFORE he embarks on his ‘Get Iran Summit’ on Feb 15 – Bibi has 5 sleazy scams, false flags, or other lies in his head to get Iran, just like he had 5 to save the Amona settlement.

Events have overtaken Netanyahu AND Trump, as the Kahanist Israeli Apartheid and the Kahanist Israel Lobby in the US respectively. The collapse of the Israeli Apartheid is hitting the Kahanist/Trump Israel Lobby in the US like a tsunami
This flows into the Revolution against Trump in a HUUUUGGE way – as I imagine he would say it

This is the way the Trump Administration’s false flagging and ginning up a war against Iran is going to fail – by way of the indicted Netanyahu and collapsing Apartheid unable to coordinante with the Trump administration true believers like Flynn, the infamous Michael Ledeen (known Mossad connections for decades, central in helping fabricate the Niger Yellowcake Fraud that Ledeen stovepiped to the OSP Doug Feith – the rest being history), the infamous Eliot Abrams (Iran Contra, Iraq, full bore for a war with Iran), Steve Bannon, Pompeo, Sessions, Bolton, Krauthammer, Kristol, HILLLARY CLINTON and Dick Cheney, and the REST of the Kahanist Israel Lobby /Jewish Lobby in the US

One Big Bag of Kahanists – that’s the historic yield and legacy of this law

Gingershot. I think you are too premature in your conclusions. They fly in the face of the historical(hysterical) response to Israeli actions where the other foreign governments like UK and Europe state they deplore,condemn,find unhelpful Israeli actions and then quick as a flash do nothing. I am waiting for these wet lettuce leaf politicians who continually state they support and believe in International Law and Human rights to do something physically to stop Israel in its tracks. Sanctions as harsh as were placed on Iran are needed to topple Israel’s war criminals and the ICC needs to get of its sedentary butt and take action. Israels violations are blatant and insult the hard work nations put into fixing the World at the conclusion of WW2. Did all our soldiers die for nothing? It would appear so.

inbound39: From this side of the world, what bothers and frustrates me most in here is, that in the official talk, it is still talk about the settlements as being a hindrance of the “Middle East peaceprocess”, like there was a war going on between two equal parties/two strong armies. In some point of the time maybe it was so, but in my point of view the past years it has become purely an issue of the human rights of the palestinians and their right to exist on this planet.

Still the few zionist (and they are not all jewish!) voices we have here, are so strong and so denying (and they never hesitate to play their Hitler/Holocoust-card on the table) that it seems to be impossible to get other voices through in the official medias, and believe me, I have tried!!

For some reason it always comes out in the news the way that “A palestinian boy attacked an israeli soldier and that’s why he was killed.. ” They just never tell what else there happened, before the palestinian guy decided to attack..

And I must add: Last summer our dear Catholic forgein minister Timo Soini returned from his official visit to Israel with a happy and smiling face: “Finland does not boycott Israel!!!”. And the news was published with a big picture of a smiling mister Soini with a smiling mister Netanyahu.. Like friends indeed..

amigo: Yes, it seems to have, we are a “secular nation” here, where the religions should not be envolved in our politics, but there are some religious minorities (we are mostly Lutheran and most of those religious voices belong to Pentacostal Curch, but others too like our forgein minister Soini), who sympathize Israel and the jews, ’cause they consider jews and christians connected in the history and islam as their biggest enemy. So for them the conflict in Israel is a conflict between islam and jews/christians.

I first found out about this when I lived in Israel and met these people on the flights when flying to or from Israel. They had their Bibles in their bags and were always ready to defend Israel’s politics and violations for the palestinians with the writings of the Old Testament starting somewhere in the beginning with Abraham’s two sons.. And these people are dangerous, ’cause they are so firm in their faith. You can’t find an explanation they couldn’t “kill” with their Bible. Who cares about the charity and the humanrights of the palestinians if The Bible says the “Holy Land” originally belong to the jews. (And yes these people are the same who fight against abortion, gay rights and so on)

So here where our jewish minority is quite small, the loudest zionist voices come from the christian fanatics.

amigo: No sorry no, that is not what I meant, in this country you are free to be a christian, muslim, jewish, buddhist what ever you wish, we have a freedom of religion, we don’t ask, we don’t care, but you shouldn’t mix your religion with your politics, and specially you should not mix your Holy Book (what ever it happens to be) with our forgein policies.. Do you understand what I mean?? I do not see any reason why one should.. ???

Had he told off Nietandyahu , would you have said —“Our dear Catholic Foreign Minister “?. Of course not. You might have written –“Our Foreign Minister ” and defender of Human Rights etc”. On the other hand you may not have commented at all.

See my point. I know you did not mean any insult to Catholics .

Kaisa , if you had used Jewish in that sentence you would have been attacked and vilified immediately by the usual suspects here.

amigo: Well, but he is mixing his politics and racial issues with his religion totally openly here, his politics are based on it. The problem is that when he is representing our country as our forgein minister, he should not represent himself and his religion. If he was there just representing himself or his own party, there wouldn’t be that connection. And if he had been our forgein minister and an atheist humanright activist who would have as clearly “taken the palestinians side”, it would have been as impropriate as this.

As a minister you do not represent your own values, but the once that are decided in the parliament. That message you got from the picture and the setting of it, being “an allie of Netanyahu and his goverment” was impropriate and surely aimed at his own supporters.

In his private life his religion is not mine to judge, but when representing our country, he is using it wrong.

And amigo: If our forgein minister would have acted like that with a palestinian leader, he would propably have been “shot down” from his post immidiately (after returning from his trip) by these religious people, for taking such a partial role in the conflict, against the official politics of our country..

And now I am left wondering, how is it possible.. How have they gained such an influence “under the surface”, allthough it should not be possible.. They are just a small minority of the people here..

“In his private life his religion is not mine to judge, but when representing our country, he is using it wrong. ” Kasia

We seem to be at odds here.In your original post you referred to some Christians having their Bibles in their bags on flights to and from Israel You never asserted that your Foreign Minister was one of them so I took the stance I took.If he was waving his Bible around then you are right .If not then I am .

The USA is riddled with fundamentalist Christian zionists who support Israel and are sometimes more committed to the greater Israel goal than the most rabid zionist Jews but at the same time, they follow the “End Times ” doctrine. Zionists bed down with their enemies .They both deserve each other.

Glad to help, Mooser. Sad to say, there are people who take umbrage at my little tips, and think I am some sort of monster for offering them.

If, for a moment, you give me your attention, I will tell you what I am: I’m a genuine philanthropist — all other kinds are sham. Each tiny grammar error and each logical defect in my erring fellow-creatures I endeavour to correct. To all their punctuation slips I open people’s eyes; and little plans to make them reason clearly I devise; I love my fellow creatures — I do all the good I can — yet ev’rybody says I’m such a disagreeable man! And I can’t think why!

RoHa: I know I know, I always forget it. The structure of finnish grammar is so complitely different from english, that I would love to have someone correcting my mistakes before they appear on this site.. I also feel all the time so “handicapped” with my language ’cause words always have more meanings than the straight translation from a language to another.. So I am afraid of being misinterpreted ’cause not understanding all of the connotations of the words I am using..

Your grasp, of English is quite good so soldier on and very soon you will be able to understand “Hasbarish” , which is necessary to deal with those on the opposite bench.At a wild guess , Hasbarish has some 500 words , ie , antisemite, Jew hater, Pogrom, blood libel , delegimisation,drive the Jews into the sea,only democracy in the ME,Light unto the nations, Israel does not kill civilians,Jewish homeland, and so on .

The folks here are applying MW,s version of “advise and consent”. You will be fine and your confirmation is guaranteed .

Amigo: Haha..Those expressions I already learned from my israelian jewish friends, including: “Israel is the best country in the world!!”. Luckily I have never been afraid of disagreeing with the people near me, but the weird things started to happen after I became too interested in what is happenig on the other side of The Wall..

Sometimes I felt like I was suddenly an actor in a strange movie, such drama there appeared. I still love my israelian friends and I am thankfull for the time we had together. I am also sad for things being as they are. In some point of the time the skitsofrenic reality of Israel became too much for me to handle and since then I have just tried to do what I can to get attention to the things there are happenig right now.

You can call me naive, You can call me childish, that is totally fine by me :-) :-) :-)

Tired of the whining and condemnation, how about some action to hold Israel accountable for it’s crimes, and treating it like the criminal it is? The US and other nations are great at wringing their hands because of what Israel keeps doing, but the next day they protect it at the UN, or send it endless aid and weapons. Mixed signals.

France Urges Israel to Take Back Land-grab Law: Honor Your International Commitments
France joins Britain, Turkey and Jordan in condemnation of new law that legalizes expropriation of Palestinian land. Law threatens viability of two-state solution, British minister says.

[EXCERPTS] Land and property laws in Israel are the property law component of Israeli law, providing the legal framework for the ownership and other in rem rights towards all forms of property in Israel, including real estate (land) and movable property. . .

● Overview

In 1945, of the 26.4 million dunams (26,400 km²) of land in Mandatory Palestine, 12.8 million was either owned or held in indefinite lease by Arabs, 1.5 million by Jews, 1.5 million was public land and 10.6 million constituted the desertic Beersheba district (Negev). Of the 9.2 million dunams of land that was arable, 7.8 million dunams was owned by Arabs, 1.2 million by Jews and 0.2 million was public land.[2][3] By 1949, some 700,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled from their lands and villages. Israel was now in control of some 20.5 million dunams (approx. 20,500 km²) or 78% of lands in what had been Mandatory Palestine: 8% (approx. 1,650 km²) were privately controlled by Jews, 6% (approx. 1,300 km²) by Arabs, with the remaining 86% being public land.[4] Land laws were passed to legalize changes to land ownership.[5]

As at 2007, the Israel Land Administration (ILA), which was established in 1960, manages 93% of Israel’s land comprising 19,508 km² under the following laws and land policy. The remaining 7% of land is either privately owned or under the protection of religious authorities.

· Basic Law: Israel lands (1960) states that all the lands owned by the state of Israel will remain in state ownership, and will not be sold or given to anyone, but allows for the Kenesset to override that ban on privatization by legislation.[6]
· Israel Lands Law (1960) details several exceptions to the basic law.
· Israel Land Administration Law (1960) describes the details of establishing and operating the Israel Land Administration.[7]
· Covenant between the State of Israel and the World Zionist Organization (establishing the Jewish National Fund) (1960).[8]

13 percent of Israel’s land belongs to the Jewish National Fund,[9] which is managed by the ILA.

Use of land in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for a period of 49 or 98 years. Under Israeli law, the ILA cannot lease land to foreign nationals, which includes Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who have identity cards but are not citizens of Israel. In practice, foreigners may be allowed to lease if they show that they would qualify as Jewish under the Law of Return.[10] . . .

● Emergency laws and regulations

~ Proclamation, 5708-1948

The proclamation repealed the White Paper of 1939 and sections 13 and 15 of the Immigration Ordinance of 1941.

It also repealed the Land Transfer Regulations of 1940 retroactively to 18 May 1939, invalidating transactions conducted since then.[20]

~ Law and Administration Ordinance, 5708-1948

The Law and Administration Ordinance, 5708-1948 at the Wayback Machine (archived October 28, 2009) defined the competences and composition of the Provisional Government. The law repealed sections 13 to 15 of the 1941 Immigration Ordinance and regulations 102 to 107C of the 1945 Defence (Emergency) Regulations, in order to allow Jews who entered the country illegally under Mandate to remain as legal immigrants. The 1940 Land Transfers Regulations were repealed retroactively from 18 May 1939, to allow unregistered transfers to be filed.[20] In 1967, the law was used for de facto annexation of East Jerusalem.[21]

~ Area of Jurisdiction and Powers Ordinance, 5708-1948

After the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the Area of Jurisdiction and Powers Ordinance, 5708-1948, extended Israeli land laws to “any part of Palestine which the Minister of Defence has defined by proclamation as being held by the Defence Army of Israel”[22] Article 3 of the law made it retroactive and effective from 15 May 1948, the day after the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel.[citation needed]

~ Abandoned Areas Ordinance, 5708-1948

The Abandoned Areas Ordinance, 5708-1948 at the Wayback Machine (archived October 28, 2009) (published 30 June 1948, effective retroactively from 16 May 1948) defined an “abandoned area” as “any area or place conquered by or surrendered to armed forces or deserted by all or part of its inhabitants, and which has been declared by order to be an abandoned area”. The Ordinance also provided for regulating “the expropriation and confiscation of movable and immovable property, within any abandoned area”. The government was authorised to determine what would be done with this property.[22]

A Military Commander may by order declare any area or place to be a closed area for the purposes of these regulations. Any person who, during any period in which any such order is in force in relation to any area or place, enters or leaves that area or place without a permit in writing issued by or on behalf of the Military Commander shall be guilty of an offence against these Regulations.

According to Kirshbaum, the law was used to exclude a land owner from his own land so that it could be expropriated under the Land Acquisition (Validation of Acts and Compensation) Law (1953).[23]

~ Emergency Regulations (Security Zones) Law, 5709-1949

According to the Journal of Palestine Studies, the law designated an area as “security zone” which meant that no one could permanently live in, enter, or be in said zone.[24] According to COHRE and BADIL (p. 40), “this measure was used extensively in various parts of the country, including areas in the Galilee, near the Gaza Strip and close to the borders. Lands so acquired would often be sold to the JNF. These regulations remained in place until 1972.”

According to COHRE and BADIL (p. 40) this law was originally enacted in 1948 and amended in 1951 as the Emergency Regulations (Cultivation of Waste Lands) Law, 5711-1951. This law authorises the Ministry of Agriculture to declare lands as ‘waste’ lands (Article 2) and to take control over ‘uncultivated’ lands (Article 4).

Article 2 states:

The Minister of Agriculture may warn the owner of waste land to cultivate the land or to ensure-that it is cultivated.

Article 4 reads:

If the owner of the waste land does not apply to the Minister of Agriculture as specified in regulation 3, or if the Minister of Agriculture is not satisfied that the owner of the land has begun or is about to begin or will continue to cultivate the land, the Minister of Agriculture may assume control of the land in order to ensure its cultivation.

COHRE and BADIL (p. 40) consider that “this law operated in conjunction with other laws including those declaring ‘security areas’. Once people (Arabs) were barred from their lands, these could be defined as ‘uncultivated’ and seized”.

~ Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law, 5710-1949

This law repeals the earlier Emergency Regulations (Requisition of Property) Law, 5709-1948. The law authorises the requisition of land when (Article 3):

…the making of the order is necessary for the defence of the state, public security, the maintenance of essential supplies or essential public services, the absorption of immigrants or the rehabilitation of ex-soldiers or war invalids.

The law includes clauses concerning the requisition of houses (chapter three), and states (Article 22b) that:

A competent authority may use force to the extent required for the carrying into effect of an order made by a competent authority or a decision given by an appeal committee under this Law.

According to COHRE and BADIL (p. 41), “the law retroactively legalised land and housing requisitions that were carried out under existing emergency regulations. The law was amended in 1952 and 1953. A 1955 amendment, Land Requisition Regulation (Temporary Provision) Law, 5715- 1955, allows the Government to retain property seized under the law for longer than the three years originally specified. Along with a later (1957) amendment, the law also specified that any property held after 1956 would be determined to have been acquired on the basis of the British Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance of 1943. . .[TO BE CONTINUED BELOW]

catalan: … The morality of war is different – you seek to hurt your enemy.

oldgeezer: @catalanwhocantgraspthe concept of reply

Waging war on civilians and refugees is a war crime and crime against humanity. Israel is only at war with morality and truth.

I agree, oldgeezer. But catalan seems to be of the opinion that non-Jews are entitled to oppress Jews and then double down on their oppression should the Jewish victims go to “war” (i.e., fight for their rights and freedoms) against their non-Jewish oppressors.

eljay: When I was still living in Israel, I used to think that the eternal occupation and the conflict with the palestinians was there ’cause it served the corrupted power elite of the country.. If they had made peace with the palestinians, they would have had to deal with the huge domestic problems inside the israeli jewish community – like the deep corruption problem on the every level of the state and the society and the racial/class “gaps” (/differences) between the jews coming from the different countries/cultural areas..

Ofcourse I have no idea what is going on in Israel today (I haven’t been there since the summer 2009), but at that time I surely thought that the zionists were the jews’ worst enemy: With the eternal occupation and hate talk, even the jews were not able to develope their own community better and more democratic to serve all of it’s citizens more equally.

|| Kaisa of Finland: … I have no idea what is going on in Israel today … but at that time I surely thought that the zionists were the jews’ worst enemy … ||

Zionists used terrorism and ethnic cleansing to establish Israel as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine. They’ve been engaged in a campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder for almost 70 years. Their actions – including deliberately and unapologetically committed (war) crimes – undermine international laws and human rights and the security they are meant to afford all people.

And they do everything in their power to conflate the “Jewish State” of Israel with all Jews and all Jews with the “Jewish State” of Israel. To Zionists, Jews seem to be nothing more than cannon-fodder.

0/10 for effort – to make an excuse for Israel by quoting the example of Karelia
Karelia was one of the many tragedies of the WW II. The Russian empire, under the name Soviet Union (Union of councils, oh the irony!), stole massive amounts of territory from Finland, Poland, Germany, the Baltic Republics, Japan, etc). Yet, it has huge fans among the commenters here, no doubt Keith will point out the necessity of it all.
I am not a Zionist, if anything I have said that I support the free movement of people across boundaries while preserving and respecting local cultures. In principle I am against all nationalism and see nothing particularly attractive in Palestinian nationalism. Perhaps something like the EU could work globally but without the pitfalls of the EU – mainly an enormous self-serving bureaucracy.

But catalan, I do not understand your point of view.. Why do the Israelis “deserve” a state of their own, but the palestinians do not?? I must ask, have you ever been there to see what is going on??

There was a time in my life, I thought I’d stay and live in Israel for the rest of my life, but when I started to see the whole picture of the country with the agressive domination, violations and the sadistic hate talk towards the palestinians, the picture of a beautifull loving Israel broke in to million hurting pieces.

Israel recieves annually about 32 billion euros support for their army from the U.S. and the palestinians have their stones and knives to defend themselves.. There is nothing there, you could call a war.. To me it looked like a suffocation and elimination of “an unwanted group of people”..

Israel recieves annually about 32 billion euros support for their army from the U.S. Kaisa of Finland

You might want to take a second look at that figure before catalan comes back to prove what a mathematical titan he is. I admire your passionate defence of Palestinians but a word of caution around here.Check your facts before posting because if you make one error you will spend the rest of your time here having to defend against that error , long after you have corrected it.

Amigo: Thank you for your remark. I am sorry for my mistake. Maybe you can correct it for me? I’ve got it wrong then from the beginnig from the finnish news and I apologize for it. When numbers become large, I don’t understand them anymore..

So let me put it this way: Without the finacial support of U.S. the israelis should have solved their problems with the palestinians from a more equal “level”, so it would propably have been in their intrest to make some compromises too.

“Check your facts before posting because if you make one error you will spend the rest of your time here having to defend against that error , long after you have corrected it.”

That’s funny, “amigo”. I keep on posting comments predicated on the existence of 2 billion Jews ( almost all of whom, oh, let’s not quibble, ‘most of whom’ support Zionism) and no Zionist ever corrects me, or brings forward the correct facts.

“That’s funny, “amigo”. I keep on posting comments predicated on the existence of 2 billion Jews ( almost all of whom, oh, let’s not quibble, ‘most of whom’ support Zionism) and no Zionist ever corrects me, or brings forward the correct facts.”Moosers 2 billionth post

It may be a lack of courage to face the facts you keep reminding them of. As they say , there is strength in numbers.

It,s about 3.2 billion annually , soon to be increased to 3,8 billion , thanks to Obama and who would dare to guess what Trump will raise it to , given the zionist cabal he is surrounded by in the White House.

Try this link to get an idea of just how much money Israel has received since 1949 and they show their gratitude to their donors by attacking their ship (USS Liberty) and insulting their President and claiming they have the USA by the short and curlies (Nietandyahu) , or was that Sharon.

“people who choose to be/come Jewish are entitled to a religion-supremacist…” Eljay
I did not choose to be Jewish – I was born that way. I can choose to become Christian now but I cannot change who I was when I was born – i.e. a Sephardic Jew. I am not saying that I am particularly proud of it, or even care, but that’s how it is. So I can “choose” to be not Jewish but that would have no effect on how others see me (and they would see me as someone who became Christian but was born Jewish). We all have control on what we can become – a French person can become German, he can “choose” to be German; but he would still have been born French.
Regardless, I do not believe that anyone is “entitled” to a state. All modern states are the result of violence. The state of Israel is not an exception, of course. I actually do not believe anyone is “entitled” to anything because I am not sure if there is supreme being to entitle us, and if there is, I doubt he would bother to “entitle” us to anything,. All so called rights are given to us by others, in exchange for something. Since I live in America, I have the “right” to a decent life, which the 22 thousand who die everyday from starvation don’t have.

“I can choose to become Christian now but I cannot change who I was when I was born – i.e. a Sephardic Jew. “

By bloodline. The common gene pool would show, often resulting in certain physical attributes and unfortunately, diseases

” … We all have control on what we can become – a French person can become German, he can “choose” to be German; but he would still have been born French.”

There is no ‘French’ bloodline. No common gene pool. Your analogy simply doesn’t make sense

“All modern states are the result of violence. The state of Israel is not an exception, of course. “

Uh huh. However, the violence continues in Israeli occupied territories long after Israel’s borders were proclaimed effective, recognized and after becoming a UN Member State. The violence is a result of the state. Precisely as planned3 Jun 1948 in the Knesset

|| catalan: … I did not choose to be Jewish – I was born that way. … ||

No-one is born with a religion-based identity. It is bestowed upon you and, later in life, you can choose to retain it or to reject it.

|| … I can choose to become Christian now but I cannot change who I was when I was born … ||

Sure you can. I was born in Canada to Croatian and Italian parents. I was baptised as a Roman Catholic. I have chosen not to be Croatian, Italian or Roman Catholic. You can choose not to be Jewish.

|| … Regardless, I do not believe that anyone is “entitled” to a state. All modern states are the result of violence. The state of Israel is not an exception, of course. I actually do not believe anyone is “entitled” to anything … [snip] … ||

That’s a lot of words to completely dodge the issue of religion-supremacist “Jewish State”. Thanks for clarifying your pro-Zionism position.

“Since I live in America, I have the “right” to a decent life, which the 22 thousand who die everyday from starvation don’t have.”

Wow.

What are you doing to help “the 22 thousand who die everyday from starvation” catalan???

Please tell me.

Since you never got to “choose to be Jewish”, what are you doing to stop the horrific and unending ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine by Jewish Zionists and their collaborators? You certainly have a choice to embrace Judaism~ or not. I have found much in all religions, but I think for myself. Zionism is NOT Judaism nor Christianity nor Islam, etc. ( no disrespect intended)

“How many of these modern states are the result of settler colonialism in the post Nazi era? – Talkback
You are choosing to focus on something you refer as the post Nazi era, you might choose the post-Vietnam war era, or the post Beatle-mania era. Not sure why the “eras” have to chosen according to be your whims (or reading materials).
Also, you are choosing to focus on one form of violence, something you call “settler colonialist” violence and ignore all else. Of course, there are unique characteristics to Israel. But there are also unique characteristics to all the other instances of violence after 1945 and they all fall under a broader category of violence and expelling of civilian citizens in order to expand a state or create a new one or prevent one from being created. There are also other forms of violence such as those against citizens who disagree with the regime. I don’t think it matters that much what the rationalization of the cruelty is.
Examples of genocides and mass murders for political goals after 1945 could fill pages, but we can point out Yugoslavia, China (Mao’s pogroms and Tibetan genocide), Turkey, Sudan, Rwanda, Cambodia, Vietnam (perpetrated by both sides), Zimbabwe, Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan. Each of these cases is unique of course, and the case of the Israeli-Palestinian situation is unique too.
I am just saying, let’s not pretend that the world is paradise since 1945 and Israel is unique. Morally, I am on the fence whether the world is a “better” place since 1945. Ultimately, it appears that we live in as cruel an age as any before us. My theory is that our ability to create “tools” has much surpassed our ability to develop morally.

You are choosing to focus on…. you might choose….according to…your whims…you are choosing to focus on…something you call “settler colonialist”…there are unique characteristics to Israel…expelling of civilian citizens in order to expand a state…I don’t think it matters that much …the case of the Israeli-Palestinian situation is unique …let’s not pretend…Israel is unique. Morally, I am on the fence.

Well, “Annie” if close to 2 billion Jews choose to settle and colonize, people had better say it’s “no big deal”, or else.

We’ve got the people and resources and discipline to play in the big-time colonizing and settling leagues. Jews are not history’s plaything, We stand apart and nobody can hurt us, if they expect their I-Phone to work, that is.

catalan: So do you think that it is totally ok to steel from others, because your neighbours are stealing too?? Or when you murder someone, are you going to defend yourself by saying, there are other people murdering somewhere else too??

One can only take responsibilty of one’s own actions. If everyone in this world thought, “I am not going to treat other people well, because the others are neither”, what kind of a place would this be??

In finnish we have a saying: “The forrest answers the way you shout at it” – You’ll be treated as you treat the others..

So take resposibility of your own thoughts and actions, stop hiding behind some massacres there happened somewhere else already ages ago.

and catalan: This is the part of the zionist logic I have never been able to understand:

Because russians killed siblings, relatives and friends of my grandparents and stole a part of our land, I have a right to go to occupy Sweden and bully and kill and take the land of the swedish people.

Could you open up that logic a little bit?? I am too stupid to understand..

//”How many of these modern states are the result of settler colonialism in the post Nazi era?” – Talkback //

“You are choosing to focus on something you refer as the post Nazi era, you might choose the post-Vietnam war era, or the post Beatle-mania era. “

That IS the era when International Law was codified prohibiting the acquisition of territory by coercive measures incl war. The Vietnam War came much later and I don’t believe Beatle-mania resulted in any International Laws being adopted

“Not sure why the “eras” have to chosen according to be your whims (or reading materials).”

Oh? You’re really willing to show yourself to be that mind numbingly stupid in attempts to justify the illegal activities of the Zionist Movement’s state

And no for a touch of whataboutery and two wrongs “there are also unique characteristics to all the other instances of violence after 1945 and they all fall under a broader category of violence and expelling of civilian citizens in order to expand a state or create a new one or prevent one from being created. There are also other forms of violence such as those against citizens who disagree with the regime. I don’t think it matters that much what the rationalization of the cruelty is.”

But no answer to the question asked

“Examples of genocides and mass murders for political goals after 1945 could fill pages…”

“So take resposibility of your own thoughts and actions”…
Kaisa,
I have not stolen anything, have not killed anyone and have never served in the army of any country. I have never owned a gun. I live a pretty quiet life in a small state very far from any major city. All I am doing is thinking aloud on this blog. Not sure what responsibility you want me to take and for what. Do you guys in Finland never argue? Here in the States, people are pretty loud in their disagreements, there is a spectrum of thoughts and we all fall somewhere in it. Perhaps you think you have unique access to the truth or something…

“You support those who do” talknic
Talknic, you confirm what a blessing it is to live in a country where I can think, like, support, and say anything I want. It may be diametrically opposed to what you believe in but that is allowed too. Thank you for the reminder what a thought police would feel like! And thanks to the great United States for having me.

catalan the slippery snake pretends we can’t see the dodges and diversions, evading every single question/confrontation.

So do you think that it is totally ok to steel from others, because your neighbours are stealing too??…..So take resposibility of your own thoughts and actions, stop hiding behind some massacres there happened somewhere else already ages ago.

catalan playing dumb: what responsibility you want me to take and for what…Thank you for the reminder what a thought police would feel like!

we’re not thought police catalan, we’re holding you accountable for your blatant diversions and support for a genocidal state. your playing stupid, twisting in the wind diversions, whatabouteries, and silly ad hominems.

Yes you should be pleased you are a citizen where have freedom of thought, freedom of speech and the freedom to live your life as you please. Israel, just like other oppresive states such as Saudi Arabia, do not offer such opportunities.

That is the type of state you choose to support.

A state without freedom of speech. Where Jewish lawmakers make comfort murderers but Araba lawmakers are treasonous for doing so. Where speaking your mind results in your right to speech being revoked. Where you can be stripped of your citizenship for an opinion. Banished for life.

Catalan you fool no one. You haven’t since you came here. A racist supremacist except you are one who doesn’t have the courage to admit it. You just get caugjt out.

In all seriousness though you spend more time stroking your own ego than anything else.

Yeah, I know. The inability of “gosh, no, I’m not a Zionist” Zionists to condemn Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine blows their cover every time.

I am not sure if “catalan” (who seems to appreciate these “western values”) understands that a freedom of speech means also taking resposibility of one’s words and that a free democracy means that if you speak or vote for those who support tortoure and violence you also become responsible for their actions..

@MHughes
“There can surely only be one objective, that is to make Palestinian lives enough of a misery to persuade them to move out “with compensation’.”

Not sure what further misery, short of concentration camps and deliberate starvation, which the Zios can visit on the Palestinians and none of which appears to have persuaded the smelly UnterMenschen natives to move out. As for “compensation” = bribes only a few Palestinians I believe might be persuaded but they and their families would become “lepers” within their community for accepting Zionist gold and betraying their people. As for the other main question in all of this = compensation or no compensation where would they go and how would they get there ? For the Zios this would make no sense as a time consuming one by one or group by group piecemeal year on year operation. If done en masse they would have to round them all up into holding camps transport them on bulk transport systems (sounds familiar) and force them over neighbours borders = acts of war which will be resisted . I am assuming that you are referring only to the West Bank and Gaza Palestinians. Even this if undertaken would still not address or resolve of course the ongoing and in many ways the principal demographic problem for the Chosen People – what to do with the 1.5 million and growing Palestinian Israeli citizens in Israel proper. The CP would have to orchestrate a whole new programme of misery and a specially tailored ethnic cleansing operation for them – much more difficult and time consuming and probably a lot more costly in terms of “compensation” unless the pet poodle US administration can be persuaded to fork out a lot more than the current 3.8 billion per annum (the extra would be labelled no doubt “humanitarian relocation” aid” )and / or Adelson and Co could organise a major Israel Firster crowdfund in America.

The worst form of Palestinian “incitement” is that they continue to breed and have little babies and children and families – you know like normal Menschen human beings. Disgraceful and blatantly Anti- Semitic.

Perhaps Herr Bennett is secretly studying some form of sterilisation initiative – you know like a more sophisticated version of the one practised on the Ethiopian Jewish immigrants(again sounds familiar)

No I.m afraid when it comes to the Palestinian UnterMenschen demographic problem the Zios are up Shit Creek without a paddle.

And how many of these modern states are the result of settler colonialism in the post Nazi era? –
I don’t know what you mean by the Post Nazi era, it seems like an arbitrary classification. The post-Nazi era saw the expulsion and genocide of Germans in the East, the genocides in Sudan, Cambodia and Rwanda, multiple major wars with huge atrocities against civilians. It’s not like human nature changed. Just because we have the luxury to type on blogs and plan our next vacation does not make it some new era.

“The post-Nazi era saw the expulsion and genocide of Germans in the East, the genocides in Sudan, Cambodia and Rwanda, multiple major wars with huge atrocities against civilians.”

And gee, why can’t 2 billion Jews do those same things to the Palestinians! Or anybody else! We can operate like that, starving, killing and taking territory!
We are ready to play in that league, aren’t we “catalan”?
We can afford the losses, and if the world disapproves, we will just withdraw into our self-sufficient and self-justifying Jewish kingdom. We’ll just “stand apart” and who can touch us?

“I don’t know what you mean by the Post Nazi era, it seems like an arbitrary classification. “

Oh you poor poor ill educated ZioShill

The post-Nazi era saw the …” … codification of International Law and the UN Charter prohibiting the acquisition of territory by force

“… expulsion and genocide of Germans in the East, the genocides in Sudan, Cambodia and Rwanda, multiple major wars with huge atrocities against civilians. It’s not like human nature changed. Just because we have the luxury to type on blogs and plan our next vacation does not make it some new era.”

Every time a Zionist (or wanna-be Zionist) endorses settler-colonialism, war, the ability of Israel to operate with intransigence and impunity, the idea that Zionism,( which after all, depends almost exclusively on a fad in Jewish ideology and religion) has the power and the resources to impose these kinds of thing in Palestine (and yes, in the post Nazi era) is implicitly endorsed.

And they want that endorsement of their power much, much more then they want moral approval or even legal justification.

If “catalan” thinks Zionism, Jews, can impose and commit acts like the

” expulsion and genocide of Germans in the East, the genocides in Sudan, Cambodia and Rwanda, multiple major wars with huge atrocities against civilians”

I would laugh at him and ask him how many Jews it will take to accomplish (and justify) these atrocities, and where they are going to come from?
When he (or the other machers) can answer that question (and say how they will rescue the world’s Jewish hostages) maybe it’ll be time to criticize the legality or morality of it.

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