Putting Orton, Venis or Batista in he Horsemen will not make a difference unless they get them somewhat over before giving the angle a go, if they just throw them out there now when the crowd is not reacting to them, it will kill the angle.....the only thing worse than that would be bringing back Paul Roma

Last time I heard, Missing Liknk actually IS a preacher nowadays. At least according to some "Where are they now" article I read recently.

Two hours later they decided to stop at a dinerBecause they loved the smell of eggs and coffeeI just had to smoke a cigarette and wear a hatBy the time that they set off again, the sun was starting to setIt made the sky look red like a nuclear rayOne of them said "what do you want more than anythingin this whole wide worldDo you want money, do you want sex, or do you want all that success?"I thought about that one myself(Then they came upon the thing)

Not knowing anything about the Horsemen in their prime, I wanted to ask: were they rookies who grew together, or were they established stars when they formed the stable?

Ole Anderson was near the end of his career. Ric Flair was well established as a multiple time NWA World champion. He was the NWA World Champion when the group was formed. Tully Blanchard was also established and had been feuding with Dusty Rhodes for a while over the TV Championship and then the old National Championship. Arn Anderson was fairly new to the area but, he had already been National Tag Team Champion along with Ole Anderson and I think Arn was the World Television Champion when the Horsemen were formed.

But The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?

Originally posted by The 5th Horseman: While I can't argue about the fact that the Horsemen weren't pretty boys, I don't know about the ugliest. You must not have seen the mid '80s NWA group consisting of Nikita Koloff, Ivan Koloff, and Baron Von Raschke.

I watched the 1985 & 1986 Great American Bashes a couple of weeks ago, and Baron von Rasche came out and interfered/made the save (point of view) in a Koloffs tag match. He was wearing the standard NWA mid-eighties run in uniform: blue jeans, cowboy boots, no shirt. I'm thinking to myself, "not exactly Teutonic." Every single NWA run-in participant was dressed this way, why? Were the fans more likely to believe in the spontaneity of the run-in if a guy was partially dressed? "I better get out there quick, no time to put on my custom air-brushed t-shirt!"

(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 22.11.02 0254)"Well, you can't involve friendship with business. It has to be one or the other. It's either business or friendship, or hit the bricks!"--Life Lessons from "The Tao of Bobby the Brain Heenan" Uncensored 2000 preview

Originally posted by DarrylTheHitmanBut The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?

In the WWF it was a similar group: "Big" John Studd, "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff, "King" Harley Race, "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Andre the Giant, Mr. Perfect, The Islanders, Hercules and even Arn, Tully and Ric when they came over in what, '93?

If the Heenan family wasn't a stable, I don't know what it was.

And other mamangers did similar things. Skandar Akbar had his stable out in UWF, for example

Originally posted by DarrylTheHitmanBut The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?

I don't know. Maybe the AWA guys can answer this, when did the Fabulous Freebirds enter the AWA. I do know that the Freebirds were doing the clique/faction thing in World Class vs. the Von Erichs a couple of years before the Horsemen were formed.

Why do we need the Horsemen again, I ask? Why not create some new stables? We have not had a good, new stable since RTC (he, I liked the gimmick!) or the Radicalz (which became awesome). Why can't we have a "Heyman Family?" Instead we get rehashes of D-x, the NWO, and now they are teasing a new Horsemen.What new have they tried? Oh, the Un-Amercicans, a rehash of team Canada that was horrid... hmm... can't think of much else..So has the WWE writing staff lost all semblance of creativity?

Everyone is so generic right now, the Horsemen gimmick would be the perfect way of getting over two or three bland midcarders. That's the problem with stables these days-the Nation started out as a black militant group, DX was intitially only a way to boost Michaels' ego and the nWo..actually the nWo was pretty damn original.

My idea for a stable? Stick Sean Morley, Batista, Lance Storm and William Regal together. Regal isn't exactly setting the world on fire as a wrestler right now, so position him as the mouthpiece. The gimmick? They have none. They are all about getting it done. Hence the name-Strictly Business. These guys could just be total rudos, with Storm and Morley as the tag team, batista as the monster ass-kicker and regal as the manager who often gets ver yphysical. Simple, easily done and effective.

In the WWF it was a similar group: "Big" John Studd, "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff, "King" Harley Race, "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Andre the Giant, Mr. Perfect, The Islanders, Hercules and even Arn, Tully and Ric when they came over in what, '93?

If the Heenan family wasn't a stable, I don't know what it was.

And other mamangers did similar things. Skandar Akbar had his stable out in UWF, for example

This got me thinking - what was the first face stable? The Von Erichs in World Class? Granted, I've only been watching since the 80s, but I can't think of one before that - usually the faces liked/respected each other (as did the heels, really), but being in a full-fledged stable was usually reserved for cowardly heels, who needed managers and running buddies to inferere in the matches and beat people down afterwards.

In fact, there haven't been many "face stables" at all - and nearly all of those started out as heels and turned face. I can think of: DX, the Horsemen in WCW, The Wolfpac/nWo Red Faction, The "FU-New Blood" or whatever they were called, umm... none of the Survivor Series teams in the late 80s/early 90s WWF was ever really a stable, uh, were DOA faces at some point? Seriously, I've got nuthin' Anyone with a better memory or more exhaustive answer?

Originally posted by El DuderinoIn fact, there haven't been many "face stables" at all - and nearly all of those started out as heels and turned face. I can think of: DX, the Horsemen in WCW, The Wolfpac/nWo Red Faction, The "FU-New Blood" or whatever they were called, umm... none of the Survivor Series teams in the late 80s/early 90s WWF was ever really a stable, uh, were DOA faces at some point? Seriously, I've got nuthin' Anyone with a better memory or more exhaustive answer?

There was the Union which briefly feuded with The Corporation. There was the Dudes with Attitudes of Sting, Orndorff and JYD (if I remember correctly) and The Oddities were a face stable when they were with Sable and.. um.. the Job Squad. Ok, I give up.

Two things: First off, the Rumble match itself is ALWAYS the main event. Even WWE knows that you can't get a crowd back into it after the Rumble match. It's exhausting for the wrestlers and the fans, and thusly it should ALWAYS be last.