I understand where you're coming from. I live in a yuppie type town too. These people have all these kids, and then drag them around as a status symbol. They are constantly going to gymboree, karate, t-ball, softball, upward league basketball, etc. Then they go to church on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening. These poor kids never get any child time. My kid takes a 30 minute guitar lesson every week. Otherwise, we just go to work and school. Then, we come home and do our shit that makes us happy. I listen to Zappa, and he practices his guitar.

I understand where you're coming from. I live in a yuppie type town too. These people have all these kids, and then drag them around as a status symbol. They are constantly going to gymboree, karate, t-ball, softball, upward league basketball, etc. Then they go to church on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening. These poor kids never get any child time. My kid takes a 30 minute guitar lesson every week. Otherwise, we just go to work and school. Then, we come home and do our shit that makes us happy. I listen to Zappa, and he practices his guitar.

That's basically how I grew up. After school explorations on my own and a little baseball in the spring.I took Piano lessons for a few years too. Soccer is the new religion around these yuppie parts. Great game, like tic-tac-tow, nobody wins, everyone gets a ribbon and it's off to tai quan d'oh! It's prepping them for the grind of the oppressed worker bees. Doing these senseless organised games when your young makes it easier to accept mind numbing work later in life. You loose your individuality and uniqueness unless ya gots a lot of Zappa spirit in your genes.

Hicks is great and he's talking about the same people I was in my earlier post. Yuppies may be annoying but at least they pay for their own shit. Generally speaking, people who have the wherewithal to give their kids a good upbringing and education have fewer kids than people of poverty. It brings the movie Idiocracy to mind.

I live in a yuppie type town too. These people have all these kids, and then drag them around as a status symbol. They are constantly going to gymboree, karate, t-ball, softball, upward league basketball, etc. Then they go to church on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening. These poor kids never get any child time.

Thats how it seemed to me when I lived in Oz. Couldn't stand it - too much competition, testosterone etc - and they were brain dead. I don't see it much in UK. TT

I had a small school class of around 13 people, with no twins or siblings amongst them. Three of those came from a family of 5 kids. Save one (whose mother had a miscarriage), the only ones with 2 kids or less in the family were those with split parents. Families still run into "large" territory of more than two in my neck of the woods. Catholicism, probably. The days when the pastor came over to ask if the next one was on the way already may be gone, thank heavens, but apparently that doesn't stop them.

It's sort of a paradox. To protect the species and the environment, human births should be limited. This won't happen because of human nature. So, maintaining the species until it completely destroys itself becomes the primary gist of existence, and making sure that the young are well cared for is the number one goal in our quest to continue.

This absolutely makes people with children more important than people without children, so fuck 'em.

(both groups, I mean.)

I'm an older male atheist with no children of my own. Ask me about my social life.

Every sperm is sacred but not in the weightlessness in low Earth orbit within the confines of International Space Station please. Once this planet is used up and and a new one is founded and terraformed by all means spread like wildfire.

Where are the jobs for these offspring? With all the outsourcing, brick & mortar stores being shuttered, crumbling infrastructure that is at least 50 years old, automated grocery store checkouts taking a job a human once held, online banking has just about killed the post office....PHEW!

I thought the internet was killing the post office, and I don't think we have to worry about using up this planet any time soon, let's say in the next million years, and wtf with the octo mom analogy? That, imho was a rare situation, I do agree it's time to get the government foot off the throat of the economy, then it will take off.

_________________A government Bureau is the closest thing to eternal life on earth that you will ever see

I've only got one kid, so I don't count. But I think parents who put their kids on display in the community are in for some hard times, parenting-wise. They're not interacting enough with their kids, which is the #1 need any kid has, especially in those early development years. It's not a kid's job to reflect good things about the parents back to them. Any parent who thinks that's healthy is fucked up. Luckily, most kids are resilient.

People have kids for all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is they keep pumping them out regardless of what anyone thinks about it. In my case, my wife and I waited till we were in our 40s to have a kid, after years of deciding against it. It seems to have worked out; my kid seems pretty normal and cool.

I would never counsel someone to have a kid. But those that do realize how incredibly cool it is and how it changes you for the better. But it's not for everyone.

_________________Everytime we picked a booger we'd flip it on this one winduh. Every night we'd contribute, 2, 3, 4 boogers. We had to use a putty knife, man, to get them damn things off the winduh. There was some goober ones that weren't even hard...

The earth has survived gigantic meteorites, the collision with Gaea, species have come and gone... I'm not worried about the future of Earth. I'm worried about the continuous existence of humans and animals.

Kid's say the darnedest things. Then grow up and jump from high places thinkin' they can fly while on acid. ~ Art Linkletter's lament.There's always a flip side...or was it a flip with a double twist? No water, no score.

Kid's say the darnedest things. Then grow up and jump from high places thinkin' they can fly while on acid. ~ Art Linkletter's lament.There's always a flip side...or was it a flip with a double twist? No water, no score.

With all due respect,Kapt., the percentage of kids who jump out of a window on acid thinking they can fly is minuscule. Let's also remember we were all once kids. Quite a few of us were accidents too, including me.

I'm pushing 40. Never had kids and don't want any. It's disgusting seeing losers everywhere pumping out their spawn.Everything about the subject is best stated by Bill Hicks and Doug Stanhope.

Makes me wonder if Sam Kinison had any kids. Although I think he would've had a routine about them. I hate it when a guy sez he has no other kids "that he knows of" while bitchin' about his child care payments to the ones "he knows of". I always get the feeling his kids "that he knows of" aren't getting much love or money for food & clothing and it's always because of "that bitch". It takes two to make and raise kids and both are just as responsible, no matter what happens down the line. When are these Neanderthals going to stop letting everybody, but themselves, raise their kids? It takes a community to raise a child, but that's getting ridiculous! Just go to any bar in America and mention alimony or child payments, you'll get the same kind of reaction.Then there's another side. 30yrs. or so ago, I was introduced to a welfare mom, who saw nothing wrong in having another kid, for the money, when another one would grow up and move out. All along the 5 to 7 that where under her & welfare's care grow up having many male role models. Most...not so good, just sperm donors. I saw her 20yrs. later and she had moved to Sonora from Stockton, CA. to be closer to her newest babies dad, who was in a jail near there at the time. I guess da big dog has a plan for her and hers too then, when dog's not taking care of every sporting event that is being prayed upon.

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Kid's say the darnedest things. Then grow up and jump from high places thinkin' they can fly while on acid. ~ Art Linkletter's lament.There's always a flip side...or was it a flip with a double twist? No water, no score.

With all due respect,Kapt., the percentage of kids who jump out of a window on acid thinking they can fly is minuscule. Let's also remember we were all once kids. Quite a few of us were accidents too, including me.

KU, your one of the good guys in a good place, where seldom is heard a discouraging word and the sky's aren't cloudy all day. Whoops, I forgot you moved from Paradise to Chico. Well, you did bring some paradise to Chico with ya now, didn't ya?

I've always felt that if your a little off anyway or have a mental illness lurking just below the surface, LSD will bring it to the forefront really quick. It's a very small (Joe's Percentage) that jumps to their death.I asked if I was an accident too, being 10 and 8yrs.younger than my siblings. Pops always swore he just had to "prove" he had in him one more time. The story goes that our neighbor at the time was pooting forth 5 or 6 with one on the way and kidded Pops about it until Moms had a belly showing. That would make me the booby prize then, I suppose.

Most of us are accidents, I'm sure. Most of us have sex because it's exciting, not because we are in a hurry to reproduce.

Anyone that wears their parenting badge as some kind of status bling has got it all wrong, and they know it. Hardly anyone goes through life absolutely intent on procreation, but (after the fact of course) it is only natural. It does not make you special, it only gives you an important role in the propagation of the species.

Children are the burden of both parents and society. In this way, parents are also a burden...but also a great target market.

It really makes me wonder. Life has it's perpetuation plan pretty damn solid. Our species gets to have really great and pleasurable sex, along with a whole lot of other shit others species just can't grasp. Life in general is a fantastic thing, but human life is just bizarre.

What if we are just pushing on as a species like all species do? What if we're just bugs?

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