Remember that movie about a bunch of dumb people in space acting like idiots and getting killed off one by one by the alien?

It was called Alien.

That's just a trope for the genre. In the 70's Sci Fi evolved into a more sophisticated direction, but Prometheus is a throwback to Scott's earlier movies and the genre films that inspired them.

It's not just for drama, but also relevant to the movies theme of human arrogance and tampering with things that are beyond them._________________Spread out all around us is a petrified world, a world of Things, where we ourselves, our gestures, and even our feelings figure in as Things. Nothing can belong to us as truly our own in such a landscape of death. Under commodity occupation the most concrete truth about everything is the truth of it's infinite replaceablity.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:33 am

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^This

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:57 am

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Darth SkuldrenModerator

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Regarding the dumb scientists, I agree they made some dumb decisions. I didn't like the fact that they took their helmets off. If you're in an alien environment, why would you take your helmet off? Wouldn't you be concerned about getting sick? I mean the whole idea behind H.G. Wells War of the Worlds is that the aliens died from our diseases. If we went to another planet and encountered an alien environment, that's certainly a danger I would be afraid of.

It's not that that ruined the movie for me. Just being overly critical _________________
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:00 am

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Alan Skywalker VMaster

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Hoping I'll have Star Trek:TMP-TUC to watch this weekend. Mom told me that WalMart is offering a pack of all six for only $20. If its still there tomorrow and she can get it for me, then I'll be watching them all weekend. I've only seen WOK and SFS, never TMP, TVH, TFF, or TUC.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:48 pm

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CerrineaMaster

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FYI: TMP is really long and really different from the rest of the movies. Some fans love it, some fans hate it and some are so-so about it. I'm in the so-so category.

I like Voyage home, Undiscovered Country and Wrath of Kahn the best._________________Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:50 pm

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Caedus_16Master

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Darth Skuldren wrote:

Regarding the dumb scientists, I agree they made some dumb decisions. I didn't like the fact that they took their helmets off. If you're in an alien environment, why would you take your helmet off? Wouldn't you be concerned about getting sick? I mean the whole idea behind H.G. Wells War of the Worlds is that the aliens died from our diseases. If we went to another planet and encountered an alien environment, that's certainly a danger I would be afraid of.

It's not that that ruined the movie for me. Just being overly critical

They scanned the air for environment and toxic stuff first, they were very express about that.

Honestly they made few decisions that a real person wouldn't make when scared, stressed, or carrying baggage._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:23 pm

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Cerrinea wrote:

FYI: TMP is really long and really different from the rest of the movies. Some fans love it, some fans hate it and some are so-so about it. I'm in the so-so category.

I like Voyage home, Undiscovered Country and Wrath of Kahn the best.

The Final Frontier is also pretty hated among fans (including me). The even-numbered ones are widely considered the best (leading to the "odd-numbered curse" for ST movies)._________________"But it was so artistically done."

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:32 pm

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CerrineaMaster

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Oh yeah FF is just bad. Idk what the Star Trek fans were thinking when they voted Into Darkness as the worst of the movies. Darkness is full of fan service and nonsensical story -- not to mention totally gratuitous semi-nudity, but it's still miles better than FF._________________Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:37 pm

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Cerrinea wrote:

Oh yeah FF is just bad. Idk what the Star Trek fans were thinking when they voted Into Darkness as the worst of the movies. Darkness is full of fan service and nonsensical story -- not to mention totally gratuitous semi-nudity, but it's still miles better than FF.

Fun fact, the head writer apologized to fans for that. He was pressured by the studio to include some T&A to appeal to the dude-bros who would see it but weren't old-school ST fans so he tossed that in and felt like he'd done a great disservice to the movie.

I actually enjoyed Darkness more than several films from each generation. I thought it was better than 1, 5, or 6 and better than Insurrection by far._________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:12 pm

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So glad to know the studio thought it was better to pander to dude-bros instead of respecting females.

I read some statements by Damon Lindelof and at first he was he was not apologizing. It was more along the lines of a "What's the big deal, get over it" statement. I don't think he would have apologized if the pressure hadn't let up.

So glad he's not on board for Episode VII._________________Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:02 am

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Darth Skuldren wrote:

Regarding the dumb scientists, I agree they made some dumb decisions. I didn't like the fact that they took their helmets off. If you're in an alien environment, why would you take your helmet off? Wouldn't you be concerned about getting sick? I mean the whole idea behind H.G. Wells War of the Worlds is that the aliens died from our diseases. If we went to another planet and encountered an alien environment, that's certainly a danger I would be afraid of.

It's not that that ruined the movie for me. Just being overly critical

Just the one dude took off his helmet and the others told him not to. He was a risk taker, it was part of his character and it was just an easy way to show that they had breathable air so the actors didn't have to have their faces covered during the whole movie.

For star trek I wasn't bothered by a blink and you miss it shot of a scantily clad lady. You allready had kirk banging green ladies before, what's the problem? Now the fact that they used the shot in the trailer is pretty sleezy, I'll grant. I have a much bigger part with the whole character who just seemed rather pointless. I'm not a trek fan so I don't remember her from the other movies. For this movie she seemed pointless.

Actually I was mad because they totally glossed over Uhura at the end. She was mad at Spock at the beginning for that thing he did and then at the end he cared waaay more about Kirk than about her._________________Spread out all around us is a petrified world, a world of Things, where we ourselves, our gestures, and even our feelings figure in as Things. Nothing can belong to us as truly our own in such a landscape of death. Under commodity occupation the most concrete truth about everything is the truth of it's infinite replaceablity.

This article goes over some of the terrible science decisions. Like electrocuting a skull, removing helmets, open doors, get lost despite being a map-maker that made a map, etc. I understand why things like that make for good drama, but it can take you out of it.

Also, there's a gaff that bothers me to this day. Just a stupid line of dialogue, but it can also take you out of the experience. Charlize Theron mentions that the ship is half a billion miles from Earth. That's not in another star system. That's near Jupiter._________________http://taralbooks.blogspot.ca

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:41 am

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GrandMasterMaster

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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:

I'm not a trek fan so I don't remember her from the other movies. For this movie she seemed pointless.

Dr. Carol Marcus is from Wrath of Khan. In that movie, she and Kirk had a past relationship, and she introduces him to their 20-something son that she had never told Kirk about. Part of her presence in Into Darkness was to set her up for later stories - plus her dad was one of the villains._________________"But it was so artistically done."

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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:16 pm

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Alan Skywalker VMaster

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Mom was able to get the set. I just finished watching The Motion Picture. Kind of so-so, IMO. I found both Kirk and Decker's attitudes at the beginning to be too abrasive. The plot was rather weak. Was kind of neat seeing Spock's return, though.

Next up, Wrath of Khan.

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:24 am

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Taral-DLOS wrote:

Also, there's a gaff that bothers me to this day. Just a stupid line of dialogue, but it can also take you out of the experience. Charlize Theron mentions that the ship is half a billion miles from Earth. That's not in another star system. That's near Jupiter.

Neil Degrasse Tyson, is that you?

I know that you didn't specifically say that it was your idea, but you did omit that a famous person said it and thereby leave open the implication that it was you who thought of it, not just repeated what someone else said. So basically I'm calling out shenanigans on that as a legitimate mistake since it's something that most people did not actually have a problem with when watching the movie._________________Spread out all around us is a petrified world, a world of Things, where we ourselves, our gestures, and even our feelings figure in as Things. Nothing can belong to us as truly our own in such a landscape of death. Under commodity occupation the most concrete truth about everything is the truth of it's infinite replaceablity.