Whatever happened to that kind of popularity contest just staying on Facebook where it belongs?

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

OH NO! NIFTY D&D-THEMED SHOES! HOW LOW COULD WOTC GO?

Really, guys, the only thing that's getting ridiculous here is the unreasonable, negative reactions to every move WotC makes. I mean, for crying out loud, now you're complaining about a shoe contest?

LOL ... wow, I almost could have timed an egg to the response time from the usual suspect(s).

Hey, all I was saying is that it's obvious that WotC has decided to turn D&D "trendy" by using social mechanisms and popularity contests typically reserved for individuals of a different demographic than myself.

Thus, with the changes to the rules, and the "we want to be hip, and damnit, we'll do anything to do it" marketting of WotC - I am not their target audience.

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

OH NO! NIFTY D&D-THEMED SHOES! HOW LOW COULD WOTC GO?

Really, guys, the only thing that's getting ridiculous here is the unreasonable, negative reactions to every move WotC makes. I mean, for crying out loud, now you're complaining about a shoe contest?

LOL ... wow, I almost could have timed an egg to the response time from the usual suspect(s).

Hey, all I was saying is that it's obvious that WotC has decided to turn D&D "trendy" by using social mechanisms and popularity contests typically reserved for individuals of a different demographic than myself.

Yes, we know that's what you were saying. I responded to someone specific, who was not you.

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

OH NO! NIFTY D&D-THEMED SHOES! HOW LOW COULD WOTC GO?

Really, guys, the only thing that's getting ridiculous here is the unreasonable, negative reactions to every move WotC makes. I mean, for crying out loud, now you're complaining about a shoe contest?

Yeah, though ridiculous tie in products have been around since TSR mismanaged themselves out of existence. I really wish Gygax would have had more control over TSR, especially after reading about all the inner conflicts back in the day.

That said, WotC already lost my money by releasing a miniatures skirmish game as an RPG.

Yes, we know that's what you were saying. I responded to someone specific, who was not you.

you know you have been attempting to pick on me ever since I joined the forums here at paizo. I'm trying to be nice about it but i'm just plain mad right now. I pay good money to paizo for their books and this is their forum not yours. I can post whatever I want around here. Shove off and get your own forums if you want absolute control. I would like to say a lot more but I'm trying to be nice as I said. Now im going back to ignoring you utterly. From now on don't even bother to post anything back to me since I'm not going to reply to it, only flag it and get mad.

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

OH NO! NIFTY D&D-THEMED SHOES! HOW LOW COULD WOTC GO?

Really, guys, the only thing that's getting ridiculous here is the unreasonable, negative reactions to every move WotC makes. I mean, for crying out loud, now you're complaining about a shoe contest?

I was going to respond and clarify that my response wasn't really directed at the original post, but I think that this has gone downhill quickly and I don't really want to be on either "side" in this discussion anymore.

I was going to respond and clarify that my response wasn't really directed at the original post, but I think that this has gone downhill quickly and I don't really want to be on either "side" in this discussion anymore.

I was going to respond and clarify that my response wasn't really directed at the original post, but I think that this has gone downhill quickly and I don't really want to be on either "side" in this discussion anymore.

<Insert Shoe-based Puns hre>

Ya, now I'm just kind of amused at how quickly a thread can run amok.

I feel like I just dropped a can of gas on an unseen lit match! LOL

Well I want to assure you that I meant nothing but to offer my thoughts on the matter which I thought was in the spirit of the forums. I hope I didn't upset you.

Yes, we know that's what you were saying. I responded to someone specific, who was not you.

you know you have been attempting to pick on me ever since I joined the forums here at paizo. I'm trying to be nice about it but i'm just plain mad right now. I pay good money to paizo for their books and this is their forum not yours. I can post whatever I want around here. Shove off and get your own forums if you want absolute control. I like to say a lot more but I'm trying to be nice as I said. Now im going back to ignoring you utterly. From now on don't even bother to post anything back to me since I'm not going to reply to it, only flag it and get mad.

If you find a poster bothers you, or is rude, lies, or simply annoys you sometimes the best thing you can do is simply pretend not to see their posts. Eventually they get tired of being ignored and leave your posts alone.

So did you include yourself in the above? I mean, I get that there's some unjust 4E bashing going on, but that kind of general response is disappointing. Perhaps were I in your shoes, I might see it differently, though...

EDIT: That pun was not originally intended, but it sure as heck is now!

Yes, we know that's what you were saying. I responded to someone specific, who was not you.

you know you have been attempting to pick on me ever since I joined the forums here at paizo. I'm trying to be nice about it but i'm just plain mad right now. I pay good money to paizo for their books and this is their forum not yours. I can post whatever I want around here. Shove off and get your own forums if you want absolute control. I like to say a lot more but I'm trying to be nice as I said. Now im going back to ignoring you utterly. From now on don't even bother to post anything back to me since I'm not going to reply to it, only flag it and get mad.

You really should not respond to Scott, he's not worth your time, ignore him it's best for all. Other posters see him for what he is so no response is even needed.

Keep posting on any topic you like, those who are paid to regulate these boards will let you know if they think you went to far.

Wow, thank you!! You know I really appreciate it. Oh and I am absolutely ignoring him from now on. I just don't have the anger-management skills required anymore.

Whatever happened to that kind of popularity contest just staying on Facebook where it belongs?

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

Uh, why are you shocked? D&D has sold lots of similar products to the masses in the past (ala pre-WotC). There's an anniversary issue of Dragon magazine that showcases various products aimed at the non-rpg masses. (I don't have the issue with me at work, so I can't provide examples at the moment.)

Sometimes people seem to go out of their way trying to find a reason to be annoyed.

I could use a new pair of Chuck Taylors. Wizards has produced some darned fine D&D art over the years. Depending on the design(s?) eventually produced, I could imagine wearing a pair of shoes that had a good illustration on them and didn't scream "I AM A CORPORATE BILLBOARD."

Absolutely. I don't think that pointing out that others' reactions to a pretty innocuous (and, to be honest, kind of fun and cool) contest were unreasonable is in any way reprehensible. I mean, we have people openly insulting an entire game company (and I expect Scott Rouse would probably be pretty hurt by some of the things seen here), but predictably it's the people who shine light on that behavior that are lashed out at the hardest.

Sometimes people seem to go out of their way trying to find a reason to be annoyed.

I could use a new pair of Chuck Taylors. Wizards has produced some darned fine D&D art over the years. Depending on the design(s?) eventually produced, I could imagine wearing a pair of shoes that had a good illustration on them and didn't scream "I AM A CORPORATE BILLBOARD."

Ack. Not me. To each his own, I guess. Still, it probably isn't as bad as "D&D breakfast cereal" or somesuch...

I could use a new pair of Chuck Taylors. Wizards has produced some darned fine D&D art over the years. Depending on the design(s?) eventually produced, I could imagine wearing a pair of shoes that had a good illustration on them and didn't scream "I AM A CORPORATE BILLBOARD."

Scott Rouse posted a few examples of designs from a previous (similar) contest they did for Magic: The Gathering. Some of them look pretty sweet. If I were a Magic player, I'd consider picking them up when it came time for a new pair. You can see the designs he posted in this thread.

I like the shoes....I don't wanna design them or anything and the hip-lingo is annoying, but I think it is a cool idea. I would probably buy a pair if there was a Pathfinder design made, maybe the shoe company can make any design?

Whatever happened to that kind of popularity contest just staying on Facebook where it belongs?

uh I'm shocked. My first and only response is and I quote, "Is this real?" I honestly have no idea......*scratches head*. I'm glad I'm not having anything to do with that stuff over there anymore. It disturbs and upsets me to see just how far the official DnD has fallen from its former glory. Very very low. If it wasn't for paizo I'd have no source for new material. Well other than myself of course.

Uh, why are you shocked? D&D has sold lots of similar products to the masses in the past (ala pre-WotC). There's an anniversary issue of Dragon magazine that showcases various products aimed at the non-rpg masses. (I don't have the issue with me at work, so I can't provide examples at the moment.)

Well it smells like a marketing ploy intentioned to aid in pushing dnd to the young casual gamer crowd. Like I said, an attempt to make it palatable to the new players weaned on modern ps3/xbox games. A visualization: a young child is sitting on the floor near you and you are snapping your fingers at it and saying look at me, come on look here. Trying to keep its focus on you. This is why I don't approve. It's debasing to the real players. Real players don't need strange marketing ploys to keep their attention and it shows how far the game has fallen that WOTC feels like it has to resort to these things to keep the mass publics attention. I also perfectly understand that these things have happened before, history is funny that way. Lots of silly stuff happened with them(TSR and friends) also. I still didn't approve.

Absolutely. I don't think that pointing out that others' reactions to a pretty innocuous (and, to be honest, kind of fun and cool) contest were unreasonable is in any way reprehensible. I mean, we have people openly insulting an entire game company (and I expect Scott Rouse would probably be pretty hurt by some of the things seen here), but predictably it's the people who shine light on that behavior that are lashed out at the hardest.

Fair enough. As you probably know, I don't participate in these threads often, I just remember you mentioning how big a Paizo fan you are (after all, it's why you're here, right?), and was curious about your general statement about Paizo fans, since I assumed you should be included in such a statement, and, as you indicated, you consider yourself to be so.

As it stands, I'm out of this thread, I have no stake in the constant 4E debates. But really. Of all the things to get upset over...

Well it smells like a marketing ploy intentioned to aid in pushing dnd to the young casual gamer crowd.

What's wrong with that? Fresh blood is good for the hobby. Especially for games like Vampire: The Requiem ;-)

aylengyr wrote:

Real players don't need strange marketing ploys to keep their attention and it shows how far the game has fallen that WOTC feels like it has to resort to these things to keep the mass publics attention.

Well it smells like a marketing ploy intentioned to aid in pushing dnd to the young casual gamer crowd. Like I said, an attempt to make it palatable to the new players weaned on modern ps3/xbox games. A visualization: a young child is sitting on the floor near you and you are snapping your fingers at it and saying look at me, come on look here. Trying to keep its focus on you. This is why I don't approve. It's debasing to the real players. Real players don't need strange marketing ploys to keep their attention and it shows how far the game has fallen that WOTC feels like it has to resort to these things to keep the mass publics attention. I also perfectly understand that these things have happened before, history is funny that way. Lots of silly stuff happened with them(TSR and friends) also. I still didn't approve.

What we need is some type of card or tatoo so we can differentiate these "real players" from their counterparts, which I can only assume are either "imaginary players" or robots.

Maybe we could come up with a secret handshake! That would be so cool. I always have trouble identifying the individuals I should scorn. The other alternative I could imagine would be to let them post their thoughts on a public internet forum and identify them by what they say and how hard it makes me laugh.

Well it smells like a marketing ploy intentioned to aid in pushing dnd to the young casual gamer crowd. Like I said, an attempt to make it palatable to the new players weaned on modern ps3/xbox games. A visualization: a young child is sitting on the floor near you and you are snapping your fingers at it and saying look at me, come on look here. Trying to keep its focus on you. This is why I don't approve. It's debasing to the real players. Real players don't need strange marketing ploys to keep their attention and it shows how far the game has fallen that WOTC feels like it has to resort to these things to keep the mass publics attention. I also perfectly understand that these things have happened before, history is funny that way. Lots of silly stuff happened with them(TSR and friends) also. I still didn't approve.

What we need is some type of card or tatoo so we can differentiate these "real players" from their counterparts, which I can only assume are either "imaginary players" or robots.

Maybe we could come up with a secret handshake! That would be so cool. I always have trouble identifying the individuals I should scorn. The other alternative I could imagine would be to let them post their thoughts on a public internet forum and identify them by what they say and how hard it makes me laugh.

well my real player comment comes from the idea that dnd is attempting to appeal to the Wii "casual gamer" crowd with its new 4.0 and marketing as exemplified by this shoe idea. Anyway by real player I meant one who actually plays a lot and enjoys the game and social aspects thereof vs one who was "suckered in" by the marketing and such and only plays because he does, and constantly need something to hold his attention, usually they stop playing after a few sessions. Thats what I meant.