JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1100)

ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

He [Jack Ruby] jumped in front of all the reporters to shoot Oswald on Sunday. That was his LAST CHANCE to complete his mission.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Why is that?

Didn't he know any Deputy Sheriffs at the County Jail? Surely he could have also maneuvered his way into the County Jail, via his sandwich runs and back-slapping and "free drink" offers, to plug Oswald sometime after November 24.

But all of the talk about a pre-arranged "hit" on Oswald on November 24th at City Hall is totally destroyed (and always will be) when we examine the details of HOW Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

After studying the details of the "Ruby Shoots LHO" scenario, there is simply no way that a REASONABLE person can believe the murder was anything but spontaneous and spur-of-the-moment on Sunday morning.

That's not to say that perhaps Ruby didn't think about plugging Oswald at some earlier time--on Friday night or maybe Saturday too. But the way things unfolded on SUNDAY just scream "happenstance"--not "conspiracy".

ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

Sure, Ruby was in the building several times but not in the hallway when the were moving Oswald around. He didn't camp out waiting for them to move Oswald.

He said that he knew that they were going to transfer Oswald on Sunday morning at 10 AM. That is when he chose to be in the basement, his last chance to get Oswald.

There is no way that you can look at Ruby milling around waiting for Oswald to come down minutes before the shooting and claim that it was just luck that Ruby got there at the last second.

He said that he planned to shoot Oswald Friday night. That is not a last minute chance meeting.

JOHN McADAMS SAID:

If he really wanted to kill Oswald on Friday night, he could have easily done it in the crowded hallway of the DPD.

ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

He wasn't in the crowded hallway. He was in the back of the room pretending to be a reporter. There were too many reporters in the way for him to get off a clear shot.

He was all over the place. He was trying to find somebody from KLIF, and get the studio line.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, and also on Friday night, Ruby even helped Ike Pappas get an interview with D.A. Henry Wade for Pappas' WNEW radio station in New York.

During Wade's November 24 news conference (after Oswald had been killed), Pappas and Wade even discuss the fact that Ruby was hanging around City Hall. In fact, Ike Pappas even uses the words "he seemed to be all over this place". You can hear Pappas' remarks here:

P. DOHERTY SAID:

Gee, you don't think Ruby and his handlers might have wanted you to think it was happenstance? You know, make it look like a spur of the moment thing to keep the heat off. Gullible people will fall for stuff like that.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Which means, of course, that 20-year-old stripper Karen Carlin was one of the KEY plotters, since it was her phone call that put Ruby in a position to make it "look" like the shooting of Oswald was "happenstance".

And I imagine the Western Union employees were probably part of the plot too. And maybe even there were some plotters who were controlling the traffic signals that Ruby had to encounter between his apartment and downtown Dallas. If the lights had stayed red for just a few seconds longer (each), or if Ruby had driven downtown just a tad slower, or if Ruby hadn't made that illegal turn that he said he made to park in front of Western Union (which evidently trimmed a few seconds off the time needed to get into the WU office) -- then Jack would have missed Oswald altogether.

IOW -- Even when it's obvious that something was HAPPENSTANCE instead of CONSPIRACY, the conspiracy theorists will still bitch and moan, and come up with a "PRE-ARRANGED TO LOOK LIKE HAPPENSTANCE" plot (involving 20-year-old strippers, and having Ruby take a shower before he leaves to shoot Oswald, and making sure to place Sheba in the car, etc.).

Beautiful.

Impossible. But beautiful.

REPLAY....ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

He [Ruby] said that he knew that they were going to transfer Oswald on Sunday morning at 10 AM. That is when he chose to be in the basement, his last chance to get Oswald.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Then why wasn't Ruby in the basement at 10 AM?

You surely aren't going to suggest that Ruby WAS in the basement at 10:00, are you?

Given Ruby's "I Know Everybody In Town" status, why couldn't he have gained easy access into Sheriff Decker's County Jail building in order to complete his nefarious "mission" on poor Patsy Lee? Especially in light of the fact that so many conspiracy theorists believe that virtually ALL of Dallas law enforcement was "in" on some kind of plot. Surely, Decker's boys would have more than happy to put out the "Come In & Shoot Oswald" welcome mat for ol' Jack.

ANOTHER REPLAY....ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

There is no way that you can look at Ruby milling around waiting for Oswald to come down minutes before the shooting and claim that it was just luck that Ruby got there at the last second.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You're making stuff up out of thin air. Ruby wasn't "milling around" waiting for Oswald on Sunday morning in the basement. There's ample proof that he could not possibly have arrived in that basement until (at most) one minute prior to Oswald coming out.

"Milling around" indeed. Where the heck are you getting that from?

ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

Traffic signals? What you been smoking? Ruby got to the Western Union in plenty of time. Then he WALKED across the street. Are you claiming that Ruby would never Jay Walk because he was such a law abiding citizen?

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oh, good God. ~sigh~

I wasn't talking about traffic lights when Ruby was walking the half-block from WU to DPD.

I was talking about the various traffic lights Ruby undoubtedly encountered on his DRIVE (in his CAR) from his apartment to downtown, which I CLEARLY indicated in the post of mine that you just mangled.