Comment by Nari

Comment by illwill

This doesn't take into consideration talents such as Lightning Reflexes, and would not be a survival weapon due to the obvious factor of no agility.

Here is a little table for Armor Penetration

Armor Penetration is a bit more complex because it comes it varied amounts. If the boss has just SA x5 on it, then the effect of ArP is as follows:100 ArP: 0.71%/0.64%200 ArP: 1.43%/1.29%300 ArP: 2.16%/1.95%400 ArP: 2.91%/2.62%500 ArP: 3.66%/3.3%

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Comment by h4rr0d

so it is fair that every hunter will now be able to WTFPWN me with his raptor strike for 1500 after i eventualy manage to get into his meelee range? meelee classes pay 1k for ranged weapons because they only use it for stats. if this should be fair, the weapon should not have 134DPS

Comment by Cyalater

I agree with you. I'm a Hunter myself, but I'd rather see the dps being nerfed than the axe removed.

It's very nice Blizz finally added a Hunter weapon, which is at a fair price.

Comment by Mareric

I disagree. Blizzard gave you ways of getting into melee range and staying there, now they're giving us a way to beat you off our legs.

And please spare me from "Scatter shot" and "Beast within" comments. We all know scatter is a joke and beast within's cooldown makes it a one shot wonder for arena.

Hooray, we have a chance!

Comment by AstrayQQ

same thought appeared to me :|

Comment by Lodi

It's well known that AGI is more effective at increasing hunter ranged dps than AP. But AP is probably significantly better for melee.

All things considered, I'd rather all the AP+CRIT itemized honor and arena items have an AGI+CRIT variant. This would also help feral and rogue dps.

Comment by Undaunt

not true, paladins and shamans have to dish out 3150 for a main hand then 1875 for a shield and after that another 1000 for a libram/totem which brings it to a grand total of 6025 arena points for their weapon slots

Comment by Khorpo

This axe will be added in the next major content patch: 2.3 It will come available when the Season 3 will start.

Every hunters out there should get this "stat-stick". If you look at the stats (here we're talking PvP-wise) you have a huge amount of Stamina (62), alot of resillience (33) and all the other stats you need (hit, crit, AP and even ArP).Yes the axe does lack of Agi but the secondary stats make up for it. Remember, this is a PvP weapon. It is meant to suit the PvP environment.As for the PvE side, due to the REALLY low cost of this weapon, it is worth getting it. It will take you more time to get something better than this axe than to get 1000 arena points.

Blizzard gave us hunters a gift by letting us buy such an amazing weapon for a low cost. Before, we had to pay for a Crossbow + Weapon for a total of 7500 points! Now, we get the same result but for 4750. We all know that hunters take their weapon for the stats and not for the damage. So it's a nice move. You should all get it.

Comment by Milca

making paladin stronger?

now that's a thought...

I've seen 10 paladin clear karalet's see hunter do that before we make pally any stronger ok?

Comment by habba20

Well since they decreased the range to 4 yards we wont need our meele weapon except for stats....

Comment by Hauraki

hit rating is much needed in arena. 5% is a bare minimum, with 1% unavoidable miss rate and other classes' talent, 7% or more is not overkill.

The AP bonus is lower (compare with Legacy), and it has no agility, the stam, resil, crit rating are all much needed in arena. the high dps (even higher than Halberd of Desolation) is the icing on the cake, and it's not overpowered. hunter has no instant melee attacks based on weapon damage. hunter has just 1 melee ability (raptor strike) based on white (weapon) damage, but it scales badly (fixed pathetic damage bonus), it's on a cd, and it's on next swing. consider the 3.6 second weapon speed, the hunter will be doing much less dps staying in melee even with a lucky raptor strike crit.

Comment by Hyle

Not sure why the screenshots I submitted weren't put up but I re-submitted them. The only change now is a glowing orb effect in the curved inside of the axe.

Comment by aelfric

This is confusing because - when the item first appeared on wowhead, it had the appearance of a recoloured Soul Cleaver, then someone changed the screenshot to the above. What is the correct appearance?

Oh well, I guess we'll find out for sure when the patch is released.

Comment by darkkeijp

Im using lunar crescent on my hunter now (pvp and pve mm) love it, but still getting points to buy this thing first day it is availeble

Comment by starshot

i believe the model is still the soul cleaver recolor... the screenshot shown is of the first model they chose witch is the same one as the model from the 2h axe comming in ZA... unless they have changed it bak witch i doubt

Comment by Equis

Anyone know if this will require a personal arena rating like the other Season 3 weapons?

Comment by asole

Looks like april 1 joke from Blizzard.

Comment by Xragon

is it true as Nari said? No rating required?

Comment by favrebites

hunter weapon

Comment by Dfredneck

idiot its a hunter class only weapon

Comment by varj

First of all, I am so gonna get this as soon as season3 comes..Anyway, there are 2 pictues shown, a Soul Cleaver like and some.. I dont know what is it, but it looks like Black Temple weapon or ZA..

Which one it is, Soul Cleaver model, or the other one?Thanks.

Comment by freelancerbob

On an aside, I think we will make the effort to get our warlock arena player's hunter alt the points for this badass peice of destruction, since it is a very fine and very affordable peice of kit that is light years ahead of anything else he can plausibly expect on an alt.

Comment by Jaremo

Oh I forogt to mention I am a hunter which should be obvious since it is for hunters only. Thus I lose armor with the loss of agility from Legacy to this axe without enchants.

Comment by Gorgonnus

This weapon only cost 1000 as it like a stat giver since hunters used ranged mostly, rogue thrown weapon cost 1000 because its like the rogue version of the war axe. Crit 2k raptor strike with this beauty as a bm hunter on a rogue since cripilling poison was on me and BW was down

Comment by Serv00

I have it, it owns.

Comment by Zone

I understand that this is a good idea for hunters but i think this is still unfair. Warriors and rogues yes can get a cheap throwing weapon but they rarely use it and when they do the damage isnt really going to make a huge difference. Where as a hunter with this is getting a huge stats boost in pvp and has a very strong mele weapon when they do get in close combat. I personally dont think it can compare to the little cost for a thowing weapon.

Comment by saladami

It disgusts me that this is easier to get than sonic spear..

Comment by Iluard

Excellent stats for a hunter. However, it might not appeal to survival hunters because they opt for agility over raw attack power. But as for me, who is a BM hunter, I can get this axe which comes with hit, and sacrifice some other pieces with hit on them to get gear with more attack power. All in all, crazy good deal for only 1k arena points and free of rating, additionally, this item takes too long to get so most of my friends just buy it at http://www.yehforgames.com/wow/arena/

Result? Both weapon combos have nearly same stats and same purchase price. Hunters have cheap melee weapon, but they have to pay more for ranged weapon with same stats as thrown weapon.

Comment by Powaqqatsi

A major difference comes from the fact that if you ONLY buy the melee weapon you are getting an amazing deal as a hunter.

Furthermore, hunter uses his melee a LOT more often than a warrior uses his throwing weapon in PvP.

One of my toons is a hunter, so I'm not complaining, but I do think this is REALLY cheap when compared to the benefit it gives vs the ranged slots for every other class.

Comment by chriz2fer

Even if you despise arena (like I do) you should ***highly*** consider putting up with arena for 2-4 weeks to get this. Ten quick games a week, and you will have this beauty which is on par with end game content gear. Definitely worth the investment especially if you don't have access to 25 man content.

Comment by Scettzvill

the thing that i do not understand about this is why did they make a axe specialy for hunter "just for stats" that doesnt requir hunters to have any rating whatsoever.but when we look at something els, lets say shields.they still cost as much as most 1-h weapons do and requir a 1850 rating. and when upgraded from season 2 gear its just a minor boost.

Comment by blacklist3330

I was a surv/mm hybrid hunter and just recently respecc'd to mm with a little bit of surv. When I was mostly surv I used terokk's quill with the +35 agil enchant. That gave +89 agil from the polearm. For a surv hunter is this axe with +35 agil better for a surv hunter than the quill?

Thanks in advance.

Comment by vignor

Now i dont do the arena very much could someone explain how the arena points for this work?thx

Comment by Hosoth

Quite funny how Blizzard made this hunter wep no rating requirement and low price while the druid staff costs the same as all other 2h weapons and it got the 1850 rating requirement

Comment by Accort

This doesn't take into consideration talents such as Lightning Reflexes, and would not be a survival weapon due to the obvious factor of no agility.

Here is a little table for Armor Penetration

Armor Penetration is a bit more complex because it comes it varied amounts. If the boss has just SA x5 on it, then the effect of ArP is as follows:100 ArP: 0.71%/0.64%200 ArP: 1.43%/1.29%300 ArP: 2.16%/1.95%400 ArP: 2.91%/2.62%500 ArP: 3.66%/3.3%

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Comment by sevensirens

how is that a nerf lol? hunters planning on hitting many things w/ this?

Comment by Deminir

The problem with this is that hunters claim its their "stat dump" item. I don't recall my wand having +100 spelldamage or +26 crit rating, nor having 20-30 in each combat stat.

Fine, if they truly want to call it their stat dump, no need to have the damage on it. Make the DPS on this item ~40-50 like every other stat dump item. If it truly is a stat dump, there shouldn't be any complaining.

I want my wand to raptor strike people for 2.5k as well.

Comment by taxman619

if only the stam was replaced with like 50 agi instead that would make me happy still though blizz did something smart and if you disagree with me just look at what Zuhaha said it all adds up : P

Comment by Elfie83

one more BS item for hunters; Blizzard gives the easiest class in the game the biggest handicap. Why is it that every other vengeful weapon requires an 1850 personal rating to use (aside from costing a lot more) but this huntard crap is essentially free? It doesn't matter if it's melee weapon that isn't being used much, it's a free chunk of health, crit strike percentage, and resilience given to a class that desperately needs to be nerfed.

Comment by chicoulatas

What enchant sould i do on this?

Comment by Valustria

The problem is that every other class isn't getting that same kind of ridiculous return on their 1000 points. As a rogue, when I spend 1000 points on my season 3 thrown weapon, Vengeful Gladiator's War Edge, I get: 24 Stamina, 17 Critical Strike Rating, 30 Attack Power, and 12 Resilience. When a hunter spends 1000 points on his season 3 melee weapon, he gets: 62 Stamina, 15 Hit Rating, 46 Critical Strike Rating, 92 Attack Power, 98 Armor Penetration, and 33 Resilience.

So tell me, if a warrior and a hunter who are equally geared spend 1000 arena points for an upgrade, who is getting more bang for his buck? Sure, the combined stats of ranged and melee might equal out when combined, as Zuhaha pointed out, but the hunters get a vast majority of them much sooner, for less points, without a rating restriction. For a melee class to get those kinds of stats, it needs 1850 personal rating and a ton more points. Thanks, Blizzard!

Comment by Cyborc

Sure, it sucks that they nerfed the damage, but at least the stats are the same. And that's the most important part.

Comment by Lougara

If you're a Marksman hunter, the damage your axe is going to do is not that big of a deal- it's the stats that matter. Your pet is your melee weapon.

Comment by stevezhan

This thing looks like a flippin gravity hammer of Halo 3

Comment by nosrasaevol

Blizzard gives the easiest class in the game the biggest handicap

I don't know about easiest class, but it most definitely is a handicap (even if not intentionally created by Blizzard)

The fact that there are now too many scrub hunters wearing S1, greens, and this weapon is a much bigger deal than equally geared warriors and rogues wielding their http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33765.

Kind of a moot point now this late in the game.

Comment by topcattcs

i have just got this axe and it took me 3 weeks on a rating of bout 1370 which isnt the best rating but still 3 weeks of it and u have the axe

Comment by phuntard

Will this keep it's 1000 Arena Points cost after Season 4 release? I'm not seeing a Brutal version.

Comment by SpeedDemon4336

Would it be better to put a 35 agility or Savergy enchant on this? Mainly for PvE, but PvP as well...

Comment by ramseyzach6614

This the best wep for bm hunter who use axes it may not do as much damage as The Veng decap but is ALOT faster and almost has the same dps and almost has the same stats and is only 1,000 areana points and u dont need a high areana score.

From.ramseyzach6614 :)

Comment by Noise

As of Season 4, which started on June 24, the price is 800 arena points.

Comment by Furdinand

This item costs 800 arena points in Season 4.

Comment by brandonbuc112

I love this axe! i use this on my hunter...I'm surprised they make it so easy to get compared to other classes having to require a lot more arena points for their weapons. I suggest all hunters use this axe, i havent seen any duel wielders out beat the stats on it yet unless their rolling with the top guilds in the server. It even looks awesome. Good job on blizz for that one =)

Comment by Elthan

I know its all old hat now, but I by-passed Axe of the Harbinger to keep this beauty on my back. between the stats it comes with, slapping savagery on it, as I am more of a raiding hunter than PvP, which i detest overall, I dont see an improvement anytime soon, maybe when Lich King finally comes out, but have to wait for the Beta and see, i guess. Anyhoo, thats my two cents, well spent, IMO.

Comment by CrappyHunter

Not sure this will be an interesting comment but there is no cheap Brutal melee weapon for hunters now... but brutal thrown weapon costs 1k arena points and no rating..

i know it's not cheaper than the 2hand axe but ... it's MM anyways if you are BM u would go for

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34997but it is xpensive (3750 Arena points)but that is cuz it is not restricted to hunters onlyalso blizzard found that Most 2k + rated hunters are MM so they made a dualwield wep instead of 2hand

anywayz ... hope you understand meh ....tattari

Comment by zuiko

You can never get 100% hit rate with anything in the game. 99% is the cap for chance to hit against mobs or players with either physical or magic attacks. You will always miss on at least 1% of attacks no matter how much +hit you stack.

Comment by shamytwinks

would this be good for a marks hunter with savagery?

Comment by Magboar

Savagery in my opinion is not a hunter enchant i would take +35 agility over it in any instance regardless of spec

Comment by veregzo

Very cool axe. Even if you are PvE oriented, you should get this axe, with PvE gear it may take 4-5 weeks to get the points, but worths. It has a very nice amount of attack power - most of hunters uses +35 agi on this, i think savagery (+70 AP) is better for PvE and PvP players too. There are some weps which has more AP on the same level, eg. Trollbane, but i think this is better because of hut rating and armor penetration, the 0.95% hit is not bad from one item. Many players preffer the 2x1hand weapons, i think 2H isbetter for hunters, you have to have very much hit rating to do big dmg and avoid miss-miss-parry series. Even, compare it with the 2xBrutal gladiator 1h hunter axes. The MH+OH has together 84 AP, this has 98 by itself. Not a big difference, but see that hunters can do much more successful hits with 2H weps, and also the armor penetration is bigger on it. I think, if you can reach 1800 rating, and have 3000 points, you should change it to the 3.60 speed version, the stats are the same, but since if, for exaple a rogue gets too near to you, you are dead if you have more time that what is enough for 1 hit, but that 1 hit does more dmg, especially if yoo use raptor strike or mongoose bite...

Comment by Vehemence

Death Knight can wear these too!

Comment by Sarbiton

This is now available to Death Knights as well as hunters. The more you know!

Comment by Ingolfur

Am I the only one to noticed that it is now for Death Knights as well?

Comment by Pwninator

*points at the comments right above yours*

Comment by fearlys

How hard is it to get 800 arena points? I think this may be worth it for the grind to 80. I wonder if there is a lvl 80 version of the no rating weapon. Hmmm.......

Comment by Lawbringerr

guys guys i rly dono the diference betwen this and 3750points axe just the faster one makes less dmg and slower one more dmg but its same pretty much and 1000ap and 3750+1850rating NOT SAME ! maybe hunters whana be "special " to have something that no just any 1 can or dono.. id took 1000ap one xD

Comment by draygourn

yeah I am thinking of getting it for my DK . I wonder if this weapon still on sale?

Comment by Solarscar

lol what's the reason behind this? ezmode dk weopon? lol

Comment by avrillapete

As of 4.3 this item is available for purchase again, mainly for people wanting to transmogrify. It's sold by Kezzik the Striker at Area 52 in Netherstorm for 1500 honor. He also sells all Season 1-3 arena weapons for honor, and the 1-3 arena Armor sets for honor, which until now were only available through tier 4-6 tokens.

Comment by twistdshade

I got it for transmog with my dk starter gear.... Looks wicked!

Comment by Azavari

Classes: Hunter, Death Knight

Huh. Does that just look weird to anyone else? I know the stats are good for both classes, but it's still a strange combination.