It's doubtful. Unlike Palm and Sprint, Apple and AT&T have nothing to prove at this point. If they run out, it's because more people have decided to get one than was expected.

Apple & AT&T have very much to prove, especially now.

CNet ran a video review last week. "Face it the iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

Last year Apple had to fly iPhone's in for weeks because they could never meet demand.

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Is this a marketing ploy to limit supplies on the first day to ensure it sells out? Just to ship more stock in a few days later...

Considering that these iPhones are made in Asia and shipping takes weeks (by sea at least) to get them to the US / Europe / Australia etc., they are probably already in warehouses in the relevant regions.

It makes positive headlines if it does "sell out" but even bigger negative ones if it doesn't!

CNet ran a video review last week. "Why my iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

I know not as many people read CNet as AppleInsider so their public thrashing probably didn't have any impact on those that are considering either making a new purchase or upgrading.

There has been a very high number articles written on the poor upgrade path (Yes they signed a contract but Apple Users feel that they deserve better than a contract).

Apple & AT&T has very much to prove to all but the very Apple Faithful.

You can buy a touch screen at 7-11 these days and their are many very good multi tasking touch phones with great Android and HTC OS's, you clearly see the Pre as the only competitor to Apple.

The market has changed in a year and last I saw, BlackBerry had the number 1,3 & 5 spot. 25% of BlackBerry new contracts are consumer based not business related.

I'd say it's not the same slam dunk as last year and both the phone and OS are minor updates given the curent market.

I'm tired of you repeating this over and again.

I know you just love to bash here, but it won't work.

Despite what some think, the difference between the networks isn't as great as you want to believe.

Is AT&T the best? No, they are not, but they are ok, for most people most of the time, and even Verizon has its problems.

There are good reasons why both AT&T and Verizon are gaining customers at a good pace, and why Sprint is losing them at a good pace.

All carriers have about the same upgrade policies as AT&T. I got screwed twice by Sprint on upgrades, and I've got friends that had problems with those from Verizon, so don't make things up about that as well.

Verizon has a good network, but they suck to work with, and tightly control everything that goes on it. There is no way Apple would have been able to practically revolutionize the cell industry they way they have if they agreed to Verizons' terms. And if you doubt they have, just check all the other smartphones that have been released in the past 18 months or so to see for yourself.

If they began with Verozon people such as yourself would be complaining that the iPhone is the same as every other phone.

I know you want to create trouble here, but don't bother, most of us are beyond you.

CNet ran a video review last week. "Why my iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

Until Verizon has a phone that uses as much data as the iPhone, we don't know bow well their network would handle the load.

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There has been a very high number articles written on the poor upgrade path

There have been many articles written about people complaining about AT&T upgrade path. From none of the reliable sources have I seen articles agree with the complaints. AT&T upgrade is standard across the industry.

CNet ran a video review last week. "Face it the iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

Maybe. We've gone through that at times. We've cut some people off for that recently, but they've also used abusive language. You know who they are.

Yeah. There seems to have been an uptick in the last month or two of persistent trolls. They may generate some short-term interest in the forum as the arguments proliferate, but in the end they leave me with less interest in following the threads they infect because there is no discussion--only argument for the sake of argument. I appreciate people with different or even contrarian views as long as there is some sense at honest dialogue. They are like poison ivy--you want to scratch and it may feel good for a second, but you know it doesn't help anything and in fact makes it worse!
I have no problem with the mods warning or banning the obvious trolls with a quicker trigger...

...Back to the topic: In my opinion (yes, I have no facts) I think Apple would love for there to be talk of shortages, or possible shortages, in the media while in reality there is near universal availability. Of course, to keep the talk of sell outs going there would have to be some truth to it--that is where the at&t stores come in. If a few at&t stores run out it doesn't hurt Apple much--especially if there are other sources (Apple stores, online, Best Buy...) that are stocked. Meanwhile, at&t couldn't complain too much as they are in desperate negotiations to increase their exclusivity contract with Apple...

Remember online communication is no substitute for real and rewarding face to face conversation.

The smile on her face, the wink she gives you when you make her laugh. The way the light shines on her hair.

Seeing a good friend in the store, meeting friends at the bar. Tossing the ball with the kids.

Helping out your neighbor with their lawn, then taking their boat out for a afternoon of fishing.

Humans were not designed to communicate behind a keyboard. Because over 50% of the communication humans rely upon, body language, is not present.

Thus there will be pent up frustration and flame wars.

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There comes a time in life
when you have to let go of all the pointless drama
& the people who create it...
& surround yourself with people who make you laugh so hard that you forget the bad and focus solely on the good...
after all life is too short to be anything but happy!!

The danger is that we sleepwalk into a world where cabals of corporations control not only the mainstream devices and the software on them, but also the entire ecosystem of online services around...

CNet ran a video review last week. "Face it the iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

I know not as many people read CNet as AppleInsider so their public thrashing probably didn't have any impact on those that are considering either making a new purchase or upgrading.

There has been a very high number articles written on the poor upgrade path (Yes they signed a contract but Apple Users feel that they deserve better than a contract).

Apple & AT&T has very much to prove to all but the very Apple Faithful.

You can buy a touch screen at 7-11 these days and their are many very good multi tasking touch phones with great Android and HTC OS's, you clearly see the Pre as the only competitor to Apple.

The market has changed in a year and last I saw, BlackBerry had the number 1,3 & 5 spot. 25% of BlackBerry new contracts are consumer based not business related.

I'd say it's not the same slam dunk as last year and both the phone and OS are minor updates given the curent market.

The cnet lady is always negative. I have reserved two at my local apple store and will be in line for the party. I have tried every service and they all have issues. Oddly enough, in San Francisco, Sprint has some of the best coverage. Price for service, AT&T is hard to beat with the family plans, corp discounts and family text messaging. Peace!

The cnet lady is always negative. I have reserved two at my local apple store and will be in line for the party. I have tried every service and they all have issues. Oddly enough, in San Francisco, Sprint has some of the best coverage. Price for service, AT&T is hard to beat with the family plans, corp discounts and family text messaging. Peace!

CNet ran a video review last week. "Face it the iPhone Sucks". The video review pointed the finger at AT&T and Apple for a poor network in many large cities and has recommended people to wait for the iPhone to go to Verizon.

CNet will not be very happy with iPhone. I had guessed that even before reading their reviews, and here is the reason why :
1. CNet thrives on reviews of a wide variety of gadgets with wide variety of models. In case of apple/iphone they don't get enough variety to talk about. (I dont think the variety is needed, I am just saying CNet will never be happy with it)

2. CNet's business is reviewing 'gadgets'. Traditionally gadgets have lots of buttons and the job of a CNet reviewer was trying out everything and giving an opinion about which controls work great and which don't. An iPhone would be an immediate turn-off for the traditional gadget freaks. (I know it was for me since it looked plain compared to all the shiny gadgets with shiny controls that I could talk about. That was until I used iphone).
iPhone has moved its gadgety control stuff inside the the OS. For a CNet reviewer, the review of iPhone will turn into a review of OS/Software rather than hardware. They are not particularly good at that and may not be much interested in a software UI review.
3. Another thing that CNet loves to talk about is the technical specs. They compare gadgets by RAM / memory / CPU power. I believe this kind of comparison is not quite useful as every gadget uses its specs in a unique way. Comparing individual specs is not a true experience. Apple tries to discourage such comparison by not officially giving out the specs for iPhone. This is another big turn-off from gadget reviewer point of view.

So, ironically, the non-gadgety journalists are in better position to give an honest opinion about iphone than a specs minded, hardware loving, gadget guru.

Reviewing an iphone using tech specs is like reviewing a movie by its frame speed, its color processing technology, its projection technology (IMAX, 3D, normal screen) etc.

You are not in the Matrix. You ARE the Matrix. (And there are no controlling machines, simulators or the real world)

CNet will not be very happy with iPhone. I had guessed that even before reading their reviews, and here is the reason why :
1. CNet thrives on reviews of a wide variety of gadgets with wide variety of models. In case of apple/iphone they don't get enough variety to talk about. (I dont think the variety is needed, I am just saying CNet will never be happy with it)

2. CNet's business is reviewing 'gadgets'. Traditionally gadgets have lots of buttons and the job of a CNet reviewer was trying out everything and giving an opinion about which controls work great and which don't. An iPhone would be an immediate turn-off for the traditional gadget freaks. (I know it was for me since it looked plain compared to all the shiny gadgets with shiny controls that I could talk about. That was until I used iphone).
iPhone has moved its gadgety control stuff inside the the OS. For a CNet reviewer, the review of iPhone will turn into a review of OS/Software rather than hardware. They are not particularly good at that and may not be much interested in a software UI review.
3. Another thing that CNet loves to talk about is the technical specs. They compare gadgets by RAM / memory / CPU power. I believe this kind of comparison is not quite useful as every gadget uses its specs in a unique way. Comparing individual specs is not a true experience. Apple tries to discourage such comparison by not officially giving out the specs for iPhone. This is another big turn-off from gadget reviewer point of view.

So, ironically, the non-gadgety journalists are in better position to give an honest opinion about iphone than a specs minded, hardware loving, gadget guru.

Reviewing an iphone using tech specs is like reviewing a movie by its frame speed, its color processing technology, its projection technology (IMAX, 3D, normal screen) etc.

C-NET HAS A TON of apple blogs, reviews and tech articles. Sometime 4 out of 5 News items are about apple something and the fifth was about firefox being at 130 million users and safari has like 3.

Most of these articles recently have praised Apple inc. Most are positive ,The more apple articles on C-NET the more hits they get,Same as fortune mag.

I can read C-NET news all night long. They have good stuff there. But I warn you take whatever they say with a grain of salt. They do take AD dollars, so those who place ads and spend money with them DO get a special deal.

Honest ?? Except for pogue, I trust the mods here more than anyone else .

Most people wouldn't dare say the same things in person that they say online.

That's why I like being with a group of friends, there is usually somebody who knows exactly how your thinking/feeling and why, they inject just the right response to get you happy again. You return the favor naturally.

Man is a herd animal, prolong separation from the group is frustrating to him. Computers tend to isolate people unfortunately.

Online communication has it's informational rewards, but it's incomplete. People can't rely upon it as their only source of much needed daily human communication.

A blend of real and online experiences is best.

ok enough already...sounding lame here...

The danger is that we sleepwalk into a world where cabals of corporations control not only the mainstream devices and the software on them, but also the entire ecosystem of online services around...

We've never done the "wait in line" thing for an iPhone before. If we get to the store around 8am, will they only be selling to those who have "pre-ordered" for the first two hours, or will anyone be able to get one?

Just wondering if we'll actually get our pre-ordered phones that day? How long does the entire process typically take?