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... I ... I ... the ... the report extensions on specific individuals responsible for undermining the sovereignty ... and territorial integrity and government of Ukraine ... making it clear that there are consequences for their actions ... going forward ... we can calibrate our response based on whether ... Russia chooses to escalate or ... to de escalate the situation ... welcome to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... The Obama in these last hours talking about the actions that this ministrations is going to take to punish Russia for its sham referendum ... in Crimea they're essentially annex in Crimea ... I've got editorial page editor Paul GBO here to talk about it all ... I ... should brush and take the sanctions hearing this ... hmm well I don't think that we all ... and ... I think the reaction from Russian you've already heard suggests that I like seeing of only the opposition leader ... said they're basically a joke ... and Rove is on the one of the Russian sanctions ... of the seven Russians and four ... Ukrainian officials ... he basically said some jokes jokes during the White House must accomplish this list ... I think they'll feel very little pain and if anything I think they're ... they're view of this will be of ... will do whatever we want and it's clear they don't have the will to to respond with over the weekends ... Russian paratroopers when its eastern Ukraine so they're not just now in Crimea ... they're also in the eastern part of me writing about the taking over the next absolutely but what are we going to do about that ... well I think you saw what the president went to buy ... it this morning ... Europeans to have a longer list ... of twenty one officials like the other ... but said they didn't even include Amazon is the deputy ... minister in charge of arms sales ... so what deputy prime minister in charge of I'm still so ... he I think the reaction will be ... on ... your EC of the probe opened saying ... we're not in a given all on Crimea but you know what what's at that meeting of the content group on Ukraine ... and by the way ... let's ... have a federal system so that summit Ukraine can be more closely associated ... with Russia ... and others not and then of course any system that they develop will have to have the provisions for neutrality ... will have limitations on what it can do it with the European Union ... so I think you'll see that Putin will ... will will view this ... as having gotten exactly what he wants ... and how he could moving consolidate those gains and maybe press ahead ... for other ... acquisitions up as he has a panic stations ... and intimidation as he sees fit on on his time to get in on word the Baltic states or other countries that surround this sort of ... Russian or I'd be very nervous that well and that it was an announcement that the president that said look you know what I've instructed my energy sector ... to immediately allow all ... permits ... for a liquid natural gas ... terminal one thing and actually started to move ahead ... get there is nothing on on whether or not will never discuss with veto ... on what to do but for deployments in the Baltic states ... Poland ... this is ... this is really key in much worse than I anticipated ... and I was ... expected ay it set the bar very low ... also called larger point here about Obama is foreign policy he came into office a ... and and apologize for America ... we're going to look to third parties places like the UN to resolve disputes is this kind of that death knell of that international is foreign policy ... I don't think he considers it the death toll of anything I think you'll continue to press along these terms because I think she believes in this kind of construct ... he thinks of that time I'll status in private that the US is ... can not move the ... other of the world anymore two-week ... we have to do of what we do in concert with other countries which in theory is ok you want to have allies you wanna work work together but I think ... the leadership role but he anticipated that the previous presidents have always ... thought was America's particular ... obligation ... I he's abdicated that I don't think ill reassert ... the back ... I'm in that sense here he's here as well ... his reaction I think will be even more disappointing ... up for much of the world in Jimmy Carter's was because when ... British NAV and a run in the Soviets invaded Afghanistan ... using new Brzezinski in the White House has national security advisor in Jimmy Carter did turn ... famously said the scales have fallen from my eyes ... learned in office the this president ... is is is all scales of scales ... editoral page and or Polish ago ... thank you very much ... in turn out to Geneva where the UN human rights Council is meeting this week ... will that affect my somebody finally get enough nerve and spine ... to confront some of the countries that actually serve on the council today ... editorial page editor Paul GBO stays with me now call ... we had editorial today's paper about a Chinese lady named how Chun Li ... arrested in October ... dead last week at the age of fifty two ... what should the human rights Council say about her ... well a lot of the twelve human rights Council was not going to come to some ... consensus about her bow with United States ought to take human rights Council race or cash is ... an impressive to and try to put pressure on the rest of it to recognize ... I've that too when you take political prisoners so it's a violation of human rights to have them die in custody ... from medical neglect the irony in this case that if it all for me was that ... she was arrested after she was picked up ... at the airport ... trying to travel ... to the human previous human rights Council meeting ... and then the month later she was charged with a dove arrested and charged ... once again they begin a White Castle some do ... I as an op ed in this morning's paper said by a colleague adjuster bird ... they had just put out a true riffic report on North Korea ... Australian judge Michael Kirby put that together it's it's well worth reading go to Neiman's website if you wanna ... get the truth about North Korea ... is that a good sign ... well I am a tactic is to not give them all give them credit for that ... and and rich Kirby did it did a great job that and ... and the UN for promoting ... battle for allowing that to happen I think what you're seeing though the limits of ... what the impact that why half ... because China had a very negative response to that today ... and essentially ... defended North Korean said this is not of this is true ... up and ... and so they're not gonna change their policy ... which is to repatriate ... are refugees of come over the border of the of the move into China ... he would be in an address to the rhetoric keep returning them to North Korea what do I do as as refugees is determined to South Korea never turned into a very uncertain fate of very quickly called there ... for ... almost certainly dead everywhere are ... in prison ... um other other members currently on the human rights counts which include Cuba ... Vietnam Saudi Arabia ... Adidas ... so ... the lessons in this administration particular Sabre Rachel has canceled because we want ... to stand up for human rights Act ... II so you ... can we do that if you have these kinds of numbers accounts ... well it isn't even be there ... that's a good question I mean we've supported that we supported Bush missed ration one when I walked away from ... I remember properly but remember accurately ... out but it is their EMN born other than the back of a change their mind ... team Obama ministrations on this sofa not ... miserly speak truth to power and embrace these cases like ... Social me ... and impress China and embarrass China about its refugee policy in North Korea ... because it is a violation of human rights is contrary to human suffering ... and if they wanted to they could take these refugees can return to South Korea where they would both be doing a service to human rights ... and are the world's then stability of East Asia because ultimately I think that would help to undermine ... the regime in Pyongyang amass course exactly ... one of the reasons the Chinese are reluctant to do a thing as their ... pace and it's an ... old regime speak truth to power its great advice editoral page and or Polish ago ... thank you very much ... Republicans have been viable plan to replace ObamaCare ... my next guest says yes they do ... state aid ... welcome back to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... Obamacare is going to be front and center of this year's midterm elections ... Republicans have a plan ... not just to repeal but to replace ObamaCare my next guest says that yes they do ... about National Center for policy analysis President John C Goodman joining me now John ... you know as the father of health savings accounts and a lot of experience in this area ... what are the principles the GOP shouldn't up ... joins you should choose your own plan ... to meet your needs your family needs not about the government ... of fairness which or treat everybody the same whatever ... assistance to govern is going to give us the should be thousands of dollars of difference for people the same income level ... pro jobs we are get rid of everything in Obamacare which encourages your employer to fire your temperature ... here are your hours work simplicity ... everything in Healthcare dot Dove it's more complicated Vivendi health which is a private online exchange ... everything or how can that goes away ... what you've got a great article in the National review encourage everybody to go online to read it ... I e in China though the transition the millions of people for Bharti signed up for Obamacare ... into this new system if we if we have this new system that tops this principles you just live ... off of the easy because the bomb administration destroying the individual market ... so they're dumping their risk pool patients all states are dumping their risk for patients since it was ok just me this is a very unhealthy the big inch or I caught absolutely in Detroit all its retirees' Togo in exchange the older sicker people ... foresee up the costs for everyone so the transition is not one of these ... ok have a preexisting conditions is that going ... covering people with preexisting conditions is that going to have to be an element ... of the Republican plan to replace ... absolutely but people need to have real insurance for pre existing conditions the real insurance means ... that insurers compete in Raleigh are your plan instead of running away from you which is what is happening right ... now are there bills already in Congress to do some of the things that you're talking about ... what's there right now is very inadequate so I'm working with some members of Congress on a more comprehensive alternative to Obamacare will put a Website medieval go compare Obamacare to the ... tothe more served a plan ... to make their charts ... okay so it's a work in progress and when the website says come up ... the Y to come back and talk about it National Center for policy analysis president John Goodman thank you so much thank you for joining us ... can navigate its moral mojo back with our Alfried here next to talk about his new book ... state ... welcome back to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... my next guest says that America is in moral social and economic decline ... I'm in a gloomy picture ... can we get our mojo back to that faith in freedom Coalition chairman Ralph Reed ... not of the new book called awakening and joining me now ... Luis Aegon America in this book what is going to run ... well yes and no I mean I I actually come out with an optimistic and that I don't I don't think the you can gloss over what we're currently facing if you look at our closer we get one of every two ... marriages roughly ending in divorce ... forty percent of all the children born in America this year will be borne out of wedlock ... if it's an African American baby ... that sounds can be borne out of wedlock a rate of over seventy percent ... I you got about a third of all high school seniors who are going to graduate this year were functionally illiterate ... epidemic of drug use highest incarceration rate in the Western world ... that's the bad it's ... the good news this is that we can turn all this around if we get back to founding principal sneezing founding principles Uniphase steaming constitutional principles but Utah and I think all of the above I'd talk about all of the above but I think it rests upon the spiritual and moral renewal ... and I point out that this trend if a that is embedded in the DNA of the American people ... Hughes is one of its brightest rancid you can go all the way back to the first great awakening in the eighteen century ... you can see repeatedly one might almost say cyclically ... that there been times when we've been in moral decline of called troll decliner economic decline ... and we've been able to come back because of a renewal of those first during this t think of the end of the Carter era the beginning of the Reagan era ... a lot of similarities today what some what ... we learned from that change that cyclical upswing that happened ... in the ring you it's a great question and I have a couple of chapters in the book about it and I pointed out that we're in the same place in the mid to late seventies stagflation long gas lines Soviet troops in Afghanistan and Iran ... American who just lost a major war in Vietnam but what happened well ... first of all historian Robert to be a focal argues that between nineteen seventy five in two thousand ... there's a fourth great awakening ... the Southern Baptist Convention moves and orthodoxy John Paul the second is selected the first non Italian pontiff ... in four hundred and fifty five years Reagan is elected in nineteen eighty ... Margaret Thatcher elected in nineteen seventy nine the moral majority Foundation has no principles that were down where is this president has started this about this thing ... and then you know you're right I mean I say Nancy strongly well I've been braces ... I don't I don't I don't question his faith what I question is the result of this policies in in ... Andy's policies had been either ... insensitive to ... and at times outright hostile ... to the moral and spiritual principles upon which I believe the country was founded packed when we did that they can screen Coalition's Ralph Reed thank you so much progress ... you can follow us on Twitter email us at Opinion Journal why did the beest dot com ... or check us out on Facebook it WS J opinion ... I'm Mary Kissel with The Wall Street Journal editorial boards ... thanks for watching ...