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Eh, the question isn't whether or not there's global warming, it's about whether or not it's caused by man. And IMO, we have a negligible effect - at best.

More than anything, I was shocked at the simple retardation involved in saying "It's cold outside, so where's the global warming?" I guess it's kinda the fault of climate change proponents for calling it global warming instead of climate change. Climate change is more about extreme weather patterns in both the summer and the winter, and that just isn't deniable. I'm not too well read on the issues, so I don't know how much is caused by man or not. But I do know the "It's cold, so no global warming" thing is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, and that's saying something because in a class discussion this morning one guy cited a movie as an example for his point.

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hooray for political conversations that, sadly and bizarrely, having nothing to actually do with politics. you know your system has been co-opted when...

Is this the clue to get off the global warming subject? Because I have something to say that I found out recently through my ventures into the meteorology that is actually pretty interesting. If you want it left alone though, don't worry I'll keep it to myself. It doesn't really "take sides" in the argument, its just more infromation to consider on the subject.

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More than anything, I was shocked at the simple retardation involved in saying "It's cold outside, so where's the global warming?" I guess it's kinda the fault of climate change proponents for calling it global warming instead of climate change. Climate change is more about extreme weather patterns in both the summer and the winter, and that just isn't deniable. I'm not too well read on the issues, so I don't know how much is caused by man or not. But I do know the "It's cold, so no global warming" thing is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, and that's saying something because in a class discussion this morning one guy cited a movie as an example for his point.

Well I guess its OK (at least I hope), if not I'm sure njx will make this disappear...

You aren't off at all in you're basic idea of the climate change. Basically "global warming" does mean more severe contrasts to the lows and highs. That goes for temperature and precipitation.

But the information I'm talking about in a last post was a bit of information an Accuweather meteorolgist brought up in one of his videos showing how solar flares coinciding with man's industrial buildup have been historically more intense (these flares last for years) during the time when man has supposedly started changing the atmosphere. But the most recent solar flare was much less intense than predicted, and the next few solar flares are expected to continue that trend, and he believes that by 2030, the Earth will be cooling, and in an extreme circumstance, we could see a "mini ice age" by 2050. There really is now way to figure out which side is right in laying the blame on humans or the sun right now, but by then we should now that if the Earth is still warming, humans have had an effect. If not, we know that humans, indeed, pale in comparison to the power of the Sun.

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hooray for political conversations that, sadly and bizarrely, having nothing to actually do with politics. you know your system has been co-opted when...

It's sad, because it's absolutely about science and not politics. But it will devolve into a political discussion because politicians use it as a hot button issue without knowing what the **** they're talking about.

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It's sad, because it's absolutely about science and not politics. But it will devolve into a political discussion because politicians use it as a hot button issue without knowing what the **** they're talking about.