Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

C’mon, it’s ‘Murica. Where we tell other countries how they should have democratically held elections but then do everything they can to disenfranchise their own electorate. Woot! ‘Murica.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

Post edited by PJ_Soul on November 2018

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, etc etc.

I don't know if it would help turn out. People have ample chances to vote when they are not working before Tuesday. If they are not motivated to take an hour on a Saturday to do it or fill out an online form to send it in the mail, I don't see them taking eight hours on a Tuesday.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Most likely.

As long as someone votes, they are free to do what they want with the rest of their day. I don't drink but I support the freedom for people to have hangovers at work on Wednesday.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Most likely.

As long as someone votes, they are free to do what they want with the rest of their day. I don't drink but I support the freedom for people to have hangovers at work on Wednesday.

The state I grew up in doesn't allow alcohol sales until voting closes on election day.

An employer is required to give an employee unpaid 'leave' for jury duty. Doesn't matter if you are chosen for the jury or if it is just one or two days of waiting to be called. The government pays you a small fee for attending.

It is a hardship for people who are chosen as they may have to go without pay for a long period of time. But jury duty is seen as a civic duty so the federal government requires that employers comply.

You'd think that the same law would be passed for the ability to vote. As a white woman in an urban area, voting is easy. Open early, closed late. Can early vote (somehow) and by absentee ballot. You can walk to your polling place in most parts of NJ. For someone who is in college, a minority, in a red State - it seems that elections are made as difficult as possible. And in this case, it IS the Republicans that are the ones making it harder to vote.

Do not leave a line if you are told you cannot vote because you are not listed or your ID does not match or if they try to close off the line at a certain point if you are voting later in the day and it runs into closing time. If you are in line prior to closing time in your state, you are allowed by law to vote.

Ask for & fill out & hand in a provisional ballot if they insist that you are not listed or don't have the 'right' ID. And do not leave the line, call 866-OUR-VOTE. That is the voter protection hot line and someone will either tell you what to do or they will come to the voting place. Do not be bullied into not voting. And though it's not illegal, keep your smartphone in your pocket when you vote unless there is a problem.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Yeah, exactly, and that's why I think it's a bad idea. It could actually lead to fewer people voting rather than more.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, etc etc.

I don't know if it would help turn out. People have ample chances to vote when they are not working before Tuesday. If they are not motivated to take an hour on a Saturday to do it or fill out an online form to send it in the mail, I don't see them taking eight hours on a Tuesday.

I would think it would help. In some places people have to wait two or three hours to vote.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

I love the PTO idea. National holiday would be better but I doubt that will happen. Voting is an inconvenience here, which is how they (or one of the two parties) wants it.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

I love the PTO idea. National holiday would be better but I doubt that will happen. Voting is an inconvenience here, which is how they (or one of the two parties) wants it.

Pennsylvania has no early voting but Ill be there at 7:00 am before work when the polls open.

and yes agree with PJ it should be a holiday. they don't make it very convenient.

in canada it's law for a workplace to allow a certain amount of time paid leave to go vote. I don't bother, I just vote after dinner, but it's a good thing they do that for folks that are too busy with kids, etc, to leave the house to vote.

Is there not a similar law in the US? Surely there is something that ensures all people can go vote, even if they have shit employers who don't want them to take the time??

just assumed not with all the calls for a "national holiday". I think a full day off to vote is a bit much. but I guess it depends how far you have to go to vote.

Yeah, it seems like a bit much to me as well. I'd be curious to see how much the voter turnout increased if they actually did this though... Would it really go up? I don't know. It seems to me that the vast majority of people who don't vote could very easily do so if only they wanted to bother with it. I kind of think that those who don't vote because it's "inconvenient" on a work day still wouldn't vote if it was a national holiday... they'd always find a reason why it's not convenient. Lines too long, too much to do on a national holiday, had to stay home and host the BBQ, etc etc.

I’d be good with trading out Columbus Day with it (since it is pretty ridiculous to have a Columbus Day anyway). I think that celebrating the day that you have the right to vote would be way more meaningful in the whole spectrum of democracy.

Exactly how I feel.The only downside is that, like every other American holiday, it will eventually become an excuse for large portions of the population to get shitfaced.

Most likely.

As long as someone votes, they are free to do what they want with the rest of their day. I don't drink but I support the freedom for people to have hangovers at work on Wednesday.

The state I grew up in doesn't allow alcohol sales until voting closes on election day.