North Korea – Killer Sanctions Imposed by the Foremost Institution of Peace and Justice – the UN Security Council

As reported by CNN, “The United Nations Security Council on Saturday [5 August 2017] passed a resolution imposing new sanctions on North Korea for its continued intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) testing and violations of UN resolutions.

With 15 votes in favor, Resolution 2371 was passed unanimously.

The resolution targets North Korea’s primary exports, including coal, iron, iron ore, lead, lead ore and seafood. The sanctions also target other revenue streams, such as banks and joint ventures with foreign companies.”

Resolution 2371 was imposed – by whom else? – the United States of America, the chief aggressor of the universe; the exceptional rogue nation that is never punished, never sanctioned by the very Peace Body, the UN Security Council (UNSC), for the millions of war deaths and drone murders caused by illicit and hegemonic wars, by proxies or by its own killing machine around the globe within the last 70 years – or more.

This anti-DPRK Resolution was unanimously approved by all 15 members of the UNSC, including North Korea’s only allies, China and Russia. They may have had their own strategic and selfish reasons for their lack of solidarity, for not vetoing the Resolution and instead proposing diplomatic measures – or else. Diplomatic measures which might have called to reason Washington and the Pentagon hawks, as well as stopped Trump’s monstrous warmongering, shouting nuclear threats from his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., “They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.” Russia and China could have proposed a counter Resolution seeking dialogue and forcing Washington to stop its belligerence. – They didn’t. And that’s sad.

It is an outright shame to what extent literally the entire world is bending over backwards to please Washington – and, as always, its dark and deep state handlers that pull the strings on the White House puppets. Have we become a world of vassals to a dying empire?

The same military aggressors led by Washington, more than 60 years ago have destroyed North Korea to rubble, decimating its then population of 10 million by a third. The US has never allowed the signing of a Peace Agreement. Instead the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) under a shaky armistice pact was and is permanently threatened by Washington’s huge military bases in South Korea and Japan with fleets of war planes and vessels. The DPRK’s airspace is frequently invaded by US bombers; military maneuvers by the US armed forces with Japan and South Korea are repeated intimidations on the peaceful lives of the North Korean people. A 250 km long strictly enforced Military Demarcation Line at the 38th parallel north is keeping Korean families separated for more than three generation.

What the Kim-Jong-un regime is showing the world is nothing more than its readiness to defend the DPRK’s achievements of a marvelously rebuilt country with full social benefits of free education and health services for more than 25 million people. The nuclear deterrent is no danger to anyone, not Japan, not its Southern brother, and least the United States. And Trump knows damn well. His ‘fire and fury’ boasting is nothing more than sabre rattling, showmanship, as it pertains to a golfing multi-billionaire psychopath, who is dreaming of running a thanks-goodness faltering empire. He wouldn’t dare touching North Korea, because then, he would face the fire and fury of DPRK’s allies, Russia and China, despite their unfortunate UNSC vote.

The UN sanctions, if observed, would reduce North Korea’s annual export earnings by a third, i.e. by an estimated US$ 1 billion. It might plunge the country, already isolated by the west’s previous sanctions into extreme hardship and famine. Although it is unlikely that China, with whom North Korea deals for 90% of its external trade, would adhere to such sanctions, it is nevertheless an unfair threat.
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Let’s look for a moment at the legality of the UN Sanctions Resolution in a broader context – in a context that the world’s populace has either never known or easily forgets.

Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter addresses Actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression.

These actions are governed by specifically Articles 39, 40, 41 and 42 of Chapter VII:

Article 39

The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Article 40

In order to prevent an aggravation of the situation, the Security Council may, before making the recommendations or deciding upon the measures provided for in Article 39, call upon the parties concerned to comply with such provisional measures as it deems necessary or desirable. Such provisional measures shall be without prejudice to the rights, claims, or position of the parties concerned. The Security Council shall duly take account of failure to comply with such provisional measures.

Article 41

The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

Article 42

Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

Bilaterally imposed economic sanctions, the main staple of the United States slapped around the globe at will and at any nation that doesn’t lick her boots, are totally illegal and in breach of any international law.

The legality of UN imposed economic sanctions is highly questionable in most cases, and particularly in the case of North Korea, as they may affect Human Rights, or more specifically the civilian’s economic, social and cultural rights (ESCR), as adverse collateral effects may lead to a humanitarian emergency, i.e. the shortage of certain goods and services essential for the guarantee of basic standards of living (Gebs, Robin. “Humanitarian Safeguards in Economic Sanctions Regimes: A Call for Automatic Suspension Clauses, Periodic Monitoring, and Follow-Up Assessment of Long-Term Effects”. The Harvard Human Rights Journal 18 (2005), p. 173).

In the case of North Korea, such sanctions are outright farcical, if not illegal, since the main aggressor is not and has never been the DPRK, but the United States.

It would, however, never occur to any nation on this lovely planet to introduce a sanctions regime on the US of A through the foremost Peace and Security body of the United Nations. – And why not? – Because they are all afraid of US retaliations. Though, Russia and China and the block of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) that already comprises half of the world’s population and controls one third of the globes economic output – and is clearly in the process of fully detaching themselves from the US-dollar hegemony – they should no longer fear retaliations – should they?

It is mind-boggling, how the world, the league of nation as it were, has been brainwashed to the core accepting almost without exceptions and questions Washington’s atrocities, crimes on humanity, indiscriminate killings of tens of millions of people around the world, the most vicious human rights abuse recent history has ever known, without blinking an eye. At the same time, this ‘solidary’ league of nations is ready to strangle a small brave nation, North Korea, that is merely testing its capacity of self-defense facing constant illegal threats from the world’s aggressor in-chief, the United States of America.

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There is a nation, let’s call it Rogue State, that brutalized millions of war prisoners. Rogue State needs to engage in war to acquire more land, and mostly more water. Let’s call the nations Rogue State would attack B and C.

There is another nation, let’s call it Hegemon, that protects Rogue State.

There is a nation, let’s call it A, that minds its own business, mostly, but does provide military aid to B and C.

Rogue State wants to be able to use its nuclear weapons to blackmail A into not supporting B and C, thus allowing Rogue State to attack B and C and steal water.

The danger of North Korea gaining nuclear warheads is that they could be transferred to A. This development would seriously threaten the ability of Rogue State to do bad things.

Not to say NK wants to sell nuclear tipped missiles to A, B, or C, but that the potential exists. Sanctions on NK are on behalf of Rogue State, but Russia and China seek long term trade with the rest of the planet using their New Silk Road, NSTC, and other routes, and a stable and non-radioactive A, B and C are essential.

The UN has never been anything but a despicable “moral priesthood” in the service of Western imperialism, and this is especially pertinent with regard to Korea. The genocidal US terror war against the Korean people in the early 1950s was sold to the world as a kind of UN Holy War. The DPRK has no reason whatsoever to kneel before “The International Community”, least of all in this day and age when the West is becoming a stinking and sinking corpse.

Yes, that’s right, but it’s not so much about North Korea but about its absolute dictator; the fat, traitorous, murderous Pentagon vassal and traitor to his country (not unlike Hitler and Trump) Kim Jong Un.

“Russia and China could have proposed a counter Resolution seeking dialogue and forcing Washington to stop its belligerence. – They didn’t. And that’s sad.”

Of course they could but the point is they didn’t want to.

A very good article but China and Russia’s support for the US sanctions is more than just sad – a lot more.

The Chinese said they had a twin track approach, ie sanctions for NK and a request that the US engage in talks – a request the US simply ignores making nonsense of the Chinese claim.

Despite well recorded efforts by the North Koreans – over a period of years – to achieve a reliable peace deal and the US arrogant refusal to negotiate, we can nevertheless see the anti NK rhetoric in todays “Global Times”

Quote below from “Global Times” in an article which is entitled –
“North Koreas’ threat against Guam makes US policy more unpredictable, ” the implication being that if “unpredictable” USA attacks North Korea, it is the North Koreans’ fault.

“North Korea and the US are engaged in an increasingly heated “war of words,” and North Korea is the bigger loser, Lü Chao, a Korea expert at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times.
However, the only way for North Korea to be free from US sanctions is to sit down and negotiate instead of expressing its anger through such statements,” Lü noted”

How does he explain North Korea’s being on a US hit list years before they even had nuclear weapons?

And how he can say this, knowing full well it is not NK that refuses to negotiate but the US, is beyond breathtaking.

Does the “Korea expert”, Lu, have a cast iron guarantee that if NK stopped it’s nuclear weapons testing, the sanctions would end and the military drills rehearsing invasion stop?
Did sanctions on Iran end after they were proven to not have a nuclear weapons programme?

What happened to Iraq after it was sanctioned and disarmed?

This betrayal speaks for itself and makes the likelihood of a US attack greater since the US can and will say that China and Russia support it’s policy of disarming North Korea and given that NK is not about to surrender, the US will now see itself as having been given the “green light” for an attack thanks to the support of Russia and China.

As Peter Koenig says-

“It is an outright shame to what extent literally the entire world is bending over backwards to please Washington”

anyways, how about this – these sanctions avoided a more bloody scenario where the US
attacks North Korea.
Remember, the US is an ’empire of chaos’, so by bombing NK and NK’s retaliation
would turn into a regional war, leaving NK and SK destroyed, Japan possibly destroyed
as well, and China/Russia weakened. USA stays unscuffed.

At this point, the US doesn’t care about its allies/vassals and their destruction
is welcomed as it removes competition and hinders the completion of OBOR.

A good article,though it my opinion too diplomatic in some ways. First lets set the stage a bit. North Korea is (also in my opinion) is an odious dictatorship. With a horrible cult of personality governing its people. There is more adoration for the ruling family than you see in many religions for their founders. And that is exactly why its hard for many outside to support them. But in reality that doesn’t mean anything. On this “particular” occasion North Korea is the victim,not the victimizer,regardless of their government.And is a symbol of the way small countries are treated by the US.

The US regime is also odious,with an ideology of exceptionalism that in itself is a cult of personality.Just covering an entire people not just a ruling family.And is the greatest victimizer in the World.North Korea may have killed many people inside their own country over the years.But without even one outside war.The US without question is responsible for the deaths of millions. Most of them outside their own country. And has been the aggressor in countless wars.There is no doubt which country is the worst spreader of death to humanity,and its not North Korea.

These sanctions were only one more step on the road to war,though a large step. I can’t really find the words to show my disgust over the appeasement of “certain” countries with agreeing to those sanctions, But i’ii try anyway. The “excuse” given by Russia and China is two fold. One,they don’t want to see nuclear weapons proliferation. That is a two-faced excuse. They themselves are nuclear states. And depend on them for their protection. They don’t say a word about Israel (another totally odious villain in the World) having illegal nuclear weapons.Where are their calls for sanctions there. They are silent on India and Pakistan having nuclear weapons. Though the whole World knows those two hate each other and the chance of them using those weapons on each other is far higher than about North Korea (unless the US attacks them).My ears don’t hear calls for sanctions for them,least of all from Russia and China.The US,the great “we oppose nuclear proliferation” voice,is openly saying maybe South Korea and Japan should build nuclear weapons.In violation of international law.And I don’t hear Russia and China say anything about that either. So lets save any “holier than thou” from those two over nuclear weapons. They have no credibility over that issue.

So lets get to the “real” reasons Russia and China went for the sanctions. Selling out their only East Asian supporter. It was pure power politics. China (wrongly) thought it would save them from the US sanctions on their US trade. Which they foolishly made so large that it gives the US a pressure point over them (over 300 billion a year in profits to China). The North Korean/Chinese trade is peanuts compared to that.So it is “understandable” (though not forgivable) why China would want to follow appeasement of the US.In Russia’s case its worse. Here is a country that is under constant Russophobic attack by the US (almost,if not,daily).That is right now under several sets of US sanctions itself.A country that NATO troops are eye-ball to eye-ball with them on their borders.And where the US sponsors a fascist Russian killing regime next door to them in Ukraine.And terrorist Russian killing groups in Syria.They themselves have said (rightly) the US is “incapable” of making a agreement that they’ll stick to.Yet they piously call for the North Koreans to negotiate an “agreement” with the very state they themselves say can’t be trusted to keep an agreement. The Russian tendency to appease the West in general,and US in particular,is astounding. Especially as it “never,ever” works for them.Agreements aren’t kept.And then they do it all over again. The level of hypocrisy shown by those two is almost up to Western levels,they “must” be so proud.

The “hopped for” (by Russia and China at least) result of the sanctions was to be a calming down of the saber-rattling on the Korean Peninsula. And negotiations to start between the US and North Korea.So far,we have the war rhetoric raised to higher levels. With threats and counter-threats between the two. The US media ramping up the call for war. Saying that since the sanctions showed “World” support for the US,then they are in the right (thanks Russia and China). And with no sign of talks coming. If I were the Russian and Chinese FM’s. I’d take my “butts” to North Korea for a visit. And then go to the US. And “jump start” the talks they claim they want.And not stand around “praying” somebody will start talks. As for the “unhopped” for results for those two. Well there are moves in the media calling for sanctions on China. Saying that the way to “force” China to “make North Korea” obey is to sanction US-China trade. So knelling to the US at the UN isn’t going to help after all.As for Russia,she’ll get nothing from the US for her appeasement. She never does. So expecting different falls under the Einstein insanity example.Instead you are seeing an upsurge of testosterone in the US neo-cons. Since they “cowed” the World with the sanctions,push further is their thinking,as it always is. The US never changes,and you’d think other countries would know that “by now”.

Uncle Bob 1,
It is hard for those who have been exposed to one side of the story for all their lives to see the DPRK as anything else than “an odious dictatorship”. But take another look. In reality, the only reason that it still exists and its people are alive and well is precisely because it has not let in the dreaded Soros and “open society”, “democracy” etc. The murders of Saddam Hussain of Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi of Libya, etc. perpetrated by the US have sent a very clear message – “you negotiate with us and try to please us and we will destroy you. You stand strong and develop nuclear weapons, and we will shout and scream, but will not dare to intervene militarily.”
Isn’t the choice quite clear?

I actually became quite impressed with their achievements and I might be wrong but I just don’t get the impression that NK is as up to it’s neck in paedophilia, Satanism, heroin trafficking, human organ trafficking, mass murder, and looting of countries as is the entire western empire.

That said. I totally agree with your observations.

The pathetic part about Russia and China supporting the USA in trying to strangle NK is that they don’t get nothing in return.
No, they get less than nothing, they get more US aggro.
China is facing US sanctions and the US is building a new naval base in Ukraine to mention just two of the ever mounting US hostility towards these two countries.
( Then there is THAAD in South Korea and the NATO militarisation going on in Norway, endless provocations from the EU (more sanctions) it never ends . . . .)

And of course while Russia is busy voting for sanctions against NK, they themselves are being sanctioned by the same source as it seeks to wreck their energy industry.

This collusion with USA is unforgiveable because the only way the multi – polar world can survive (if it exists) is through unity against the hegemon.

The excuses given out by China for this betrayal simply do not hold water (the sanctions will force NK to talk, something they have been seeking for years) and I wonder how many kicks in the teeth Russia and China must receive before they cease being in total awe of the US and realise it is going to destroy them. They could push back in a range of ways short of war but rarely do if ever.

Sometimes I think that all they really want is to be part of the “big boys’ club” and run a one world government between themselves. No thanks.
China should be saying it will defend NK against a US attack – the surest deterrent – and show the same kind of unity NATO has where if one country is attacked they all come to it’s defence. I am no fan of NATO, not at all, but the unity principle works.

There is no sign of any such unity in the “multi-polar” world.

And as you say, Russia and China should use their considerable political power to force the US into talks as with the Iran format so there are witnesses to what the US says.

I hope I am wrong, but this sanctions vote does nothing to promote confidence in the idea that Russia/ China offer a different and better world.

I’m impressed with their achievements,don’t get me wrong. Its the level of a cult of personality I dislike. I’d seen it before. But its clear from the RT documentary ,”the happiest people on earth”,how extreme it is. But again,you can be wrong sometimes and be right at other times. And whatever their internal politics (which is an internal issue ),they are being attacked and bullied by the US.Which suffers from their own “cult of personality”,which is called “exceptionalism”.

“The excuses given out by China for this betrayal simply do not hold water (the sanctions will force NK to talk, something they have been seeking for years) and I wonder how many kicks in the teeth Russia and China must receive before they cease being in total awe of the US and realise it is going to destroy them. […] Sometimes I think that all they really want is to be part of the “big boys’ club” and run a one world government between themselves.”

There is no doubt that the Russian and Chinese elites would like to feel a warmer level of embrace and acceptance in the bosom of the top looting class or “big boys club” as you call it. I suppose the core of that club does not easily accept parvenus, or can’t hide a certain contempt towards them. But these things can be worked out.

“China should be saying it will defend NK against a US attack – the surest deterrent – and show the same kind of unity NATO has where if one country is attacked they all come to it’s defence. I am no fan of NATO, not at all, but the unity principle works. There is no sign of any such unity in the “multi-polar” world”

That is probably because the multipolar world doesn’t really exist, and its future liberating birth remains very much in the domain of wishful imagination. The reality is that the uni-polar system keeps inexorably strengthening its control over the entire planet, and the reality is that the top financial elites in every nation have no interest in a truly “multi-polar” world because of the potential instability it entails (to their status) with constant bickering and sparks among the different “polarities”. The one-government solution (one invisible government, of course) is much more soothing to their anxieties and prospects. We are almost there. They just need to work out certain details, certain accomodations, but the future path seems clear. The planet will be ruled by a completely invisible and unaccountable set who looks at the world as their private resort and at the swealling bulk of humanity as a biomass to be kept in strict corraled control, with ready mass exterminating mechanisms in place to be activated as need dictates. We the plebes can count ourselves lucky if we live in settings not yet afflicted by rampant lawlessness or jungle law, or subject to sadistic depopulation campaigns. It is understood that the price to live something resembling a “middle class”life in the relatively stable areas is to accept being completely monitored to the last detail. All your activities will be tracked. Cash will be phased out or its use severly restricted. You can try living with no credit card and no mobile phone etc, but it will be more and more uncomfortable.
The notion of nation will become increasingly centered on the flokloric/touristic aspects, and those are the areas that national parliaments will increasingly specialise on. Real laws that matter will be issued by decree, as the French are teaching us. The notion of sovereignty will become increasingly tainted with shame, associated to “populism” and racism and “dictatorship”. Once the last details are worked out, any territory attempting to exercise such shameful concepts as sovereignt will be crushed in exemplary fashion.

“I hope I am wrong, but this sanctions vote does nothing to promote confidence in the idea that Russia/ China offer a different and better world”

Sadly true. No guiding ideology left, except perhaps the one that is outlined in the speech by Gordon Gekko, “Greed is Good” in that 1980s movie.

The only modest satisfaction this bleak scenario may bring, with greed as its guiding principle, is that such a system will surely carry the seeds of its own destruction. But that is always the case. The only subject matter of life, its sole theme, is always death.

the end goal is not NK but China (same with Ukraine/Russia).
by supporting the sanctions, China/Russia made the US reveal
its true intentions (calls for sanctions on China). this makes the US an aggressor state,
so C/R have legal rights to respond (most likely advancing the process of ditching
the dollar).

if it comes to a war, US allies in the region JP & SK get destroyed – so its on THEM to stop the hegemon.

same mistake regarding Nord Stream 2 sanctions:
it hurts Europe/Germany more than Russia. Russia is doing just fine w/out selling that extra gas, but Germany cant survive paying the triple price for US LNG – German industry wouldn’t be competitive. so its on them too, to stop the hegemon.

Has anyone looked at North Korea’s official state newspaper – the Rodong Sinmun.

One would think that if NK was threatening a nuclear strike on Guam they’d at least give passing mention of it on the state newspaper, but there’s not a peep about it there.

So what we are probably facing with the “Guam threats” is yet another false flag, to justify a war.
And worse? Kim Jong does not even know it, or he’d be saying it is all false in the state newspaper that says August 10, which means it is super fresh.

The shadow government could easily mask this media event from Kim Jong, Google and all others are now spectacular masters of censorship, and anyone who wanted to warn Kim of what is going on via the phone would simply be cut off by the NSA. And they’d have “real” conversations with Kim, who was actually just voice cloning software.

That is how deep the deception goes, and if you don’t think so, try to explain why the official Korean state newspaper, updated in the last couple hours, does not have a peep about any attack on Guam posted on it.

“North Korean state media has outlined details of the country’s Guam strike plan expected to be ready by mid-August. The attack will reportedly include four missiles fired over Japan and landing within a few dozen kilometers of US territory.”

Notice the first statement describes “an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.”.

At the end of the article, the “strike” is clarified as hitting the waters “30 to 40 km away from Guam”.

So, the missiles would land in international waters (beyond 22km from shore), though the U.S. could hair-split over that because there is a further 22km “contiguous zone” subject to law enforcement.

Thanks for your insights on this. I am afraid that the mythmakers are working overtime on this “Guam Strike Plan” story….as I look at the map of the western Pacific it appears that there are a number of potential targets much closer to NK than Guam, so that whole idea frankly doesn’t make any sense. There are way too probabilities for false flag events to happen somewhere out there which will be blamed on NK…. the foundations for this are being diligently laid by “the people that America trusts the most”, like NBC’s Brian Williams: “Our job is to scare people to death over NK” ! ! !. Actually No, Mr. News Reporter Williams, your job is to accurately report the news, and if you can’t do your job, then please quit. This is the same fellow who responded to a Pentagon video showing US cruise missiles being launched against Syria by saying he was “tempted to quote the great Leonard Cohen: I’m guided by the beauty of our weapons.”… Good Lord Almighty. People are saying insane things.

Contrary to most observers here I believe that agreeing to sanctions is masterful piece of political work by Russia and China.

Of course that they will not abandon North Korean people but what there are doing is:

1. Telling Kim not to overstep his mark. This is all about Russia and China and not about NK
2. Keeping South Korea and Japan on their side. if America want’s their little war they will have to fight it alone and this time not against China and Russia but their proxy.
3. No chance this turning into a nuclear war unless America fires nukes first making it even more politically isolated.

If enyone has observed Russian politics in the Middle East will understand what I am talking about. The result: Russians and Chinese in, Americans out.

Alexander Mercouris from The Duran shares this opinion. According to him, the sanctions bill simply formalises a pre-existing situation in NK, aren’t actually that onerous at all, and have prevented the US from submitting their own text or taking unilateral action.

I agree very much. I also think that by keeping NK from overstepping, they allow Iran some peace. Part is that it makes it clear R&C will not allow NK to transfer/sell such a weapon, to Iran or to anyone else, but also they ***very important*** are behaving like responsible nations regardless of what belligerence Hegemon proffers.

With Russia and China’s votes they have started to lay the groundwork of possible U.S. military action in their favor. With their vote, they are saying they have a seat at the table and partners to the ultimate outcome – not opponents.

Regarding Russia:
Nothing is gained by voting against sanctions. They have very limited trade interest with NK. They don’t need anything NK sells and NK doesn’t have money to buy their stuff. All voting against sanctions gets them is opening them up to be further demonized by western media which works against their interests elsewhere.

Russia does not have allies, they have partners. Kim is a horrible choice for a partner. The guy literally has executed relatives with an anti-aircraft gun. Not a leader a civilized nation should buddy up to.

Russia has signed the invitation for the U.S. to insert themselves into another draining quagmire. By not opposing this, they have eliminated themselves from much of the negative (and inevitable) consequences to come.

Russia shares a border with NK, granted it is only about 11 miles but it is enough to guaranty that they will be involved in post war Korea.

Regarding China:
Ever have little brother that threatened everyone on the block knowing big brother would back them up? There comes a point when little brother has to fight his own fight.

Same as Russia, you cannot be percieved as a civilized nation if you support Kim’s regime. It truly is one of the most murderous, brutal, sick regimes out there. I don’t care if Peter K tries to portray it all as rainbows and f**king ponies there. It’s not. They live in constant fear of getting hauled off, tortured and killed brutally.

After the conflict, Chinese will be the only ones NK people will accept into their country without a fight and China knows it.

Also, China doesn’t give a crap if half of South Korea is wiped out. They would actually benefit from that.

Peter K:
I think you are either writing well below your knowledge of the situation to influence others to a conclusion about Russia and China that is more suitable or you need to gain a better understanding of the situation.

Either way, I find your piece disturbing.
If I have a better idea of what is going on than you do, considering the level of information you are privy to that I am not, then there is a disturbing lack of talent in our intelligence and war planning services.

Not to worry though, the war on NK will still be successfully sold to the American people. But Russia and China are not so dumb as to get dragged into it in the name of fighting the evil empire.

There is so much wrong with that comment its hard to even see how to respond.

The reason Russia and China should have objected is because it sets a precedent (another one) for the US to commit aggression against another state (any other state). It isn’t about a popularity contest. Kim could be a monster. But so is the US. And,no,it isn’t alright for the US to attack countries because they don’t like them. A US victory (even if costly) would bring US combat troops to the borders of Russia and China. And that is “never OK”. A victory will (as it is now over the sanctions) only boost the US militaries lust for domination. People should be smart enough to realize how the early nazi victories didn’t make the nazis “less violent”. But instead made them more willing to go to war.It works the same way with the US.

Usually I agree with much of what you say but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Do you listen to American talk radio? There is no meaningful opposition to a strike against NK. Yes, people are stupid… Russia gains nothing from opposing sanctions and loses standing by supporting a regime who has played the “give me handouts or I will launch missiles” one too many times. The words and actions from the Kim regime are beyond a right to self defense. Just make missiles and stfu is what Kim should have done.

Russia is acting in a manner which puts their self interests first. They are under no obligation to save the world from the evil empire.

Speaking of nazis, their lust for war finally lead them to direct conflict with Russia which lead to their ultimate loss. It could have been a different outcome for Russia had the Nazis chosen to fight Russia sooner when Germany was at the height of their power. And you know no one would have stepped in to save the Russians.

Sometimes it is better to give an opponent what they want and let them choke on it.

That is the whole point. There is no opposition to war in the US. Other nations appeasing the war mongers will not create an opposition. Only by standing up to them can people in the US understand the risks of World War. Instead of France and Britain appeasing Hitler at Munich they should have stood up to him. Their very appeasement assured the nazis would continue aggression. Its the same with the US. I don’t know about revisionist history today. But when I was growing up we understood how much of a mistake appeasement of war mongers was/is. As the saying goes “those that forget history,are doomed to repeat it”.

Well Uncle Bob, those who remember WWII are dying off and those that remain seem to have forgotten as well.

The vast majority of Americans have not had to suffer direct and severe consequences of war. They will keep turning a blind eye to it until they really suffer from it. Wish is was not that way since I live here, but it is true.

That whole “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here” is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns that I can think of.

Americans will not understand fully what war truly is until the consequences come home to them. They will walk willingly into a war with NK because they would rather see Seoul most assuredly get destroyed than face a percieved risk of getting nuked at home. After all these wars do you really think Americans care if a few million Koreans die? How many arabs have been killed as Americans go about their business eating cheeseburgers and watching dancing with the stars?

-Yes and surely then North Korea has the same right to put it’s interests first the most important one being the need to survive.

“But Russia and China are not so dumb as to get dragged into it in the name of fighting the evil empire.”

– They are the number one and two targets whether they realise it or refuse to.
I personally think they are in a state of complete denial as to how serious their situation is – and now they actually look weak, a fatal mistake as far as dealig with the the west is concerned.
Weakness means doubling down for the west on the aggro ie things will get hotter for Russia and China.

They could have denounced US aggression against a non belligerent sovereign state which is a war crime but they chose not to. Betraying an ally will cost them dear in terms of prestige amongst their allies and not save them for one second from the fate the US has planned for them. Not for one second.

Here is a quote from the Syrian media a source usually very pro Russian –

“Russia and China, both eager to keep their contracts and billion-profit-deals with the terroristic West, have again thrown a sovereign country to the claws of the beast.

Just a reminder: SANCTIONS are an act of WAR.

It does not matter whether or not the terroristic West imposes sanctions on peaceful people under the umbrella of the non-worthy joke “United Nations” (UN) which has effectively proven itself to be a lackey of Western imperialism.

We have to remember that Russia and China, without any need, have sacrificed the DPRK and her people to the greedy West just for their own benefit and interests. This is to be taken in consideration when, later, the two leaders, Putin and XI, will bark about “USA was not entitled to kill the leader”, like Putin did on Gaddafi after Russia had helped the Western terroristic alliance NATO to impose genocide on the Libyan people.

The DPRK is just the next victim, without any need being sacrificed to the greedy imperialistic terrorists in Washington (and EU-Europe). China and Russia want to keep their relations with the beloved “partners in the west” (Putin) by handling over the fate of millions of innocent people to the mass-murdering psychopaths in Washington D.C.!

By this, China and Russia again prove to follow short-sighted objectives and are willing to sacrifice everyone for their interests. Putin and Xi appear to be blind for the consequences. The killers in Washington now lick blood and, thus, will ask for more and more blood, later. By sacrificing the sovereignty of smaller nations (remember Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Syria???) to pamper the God of Greed, Russia and China will only weaken their own position, strengthen the terrorist and, in the end, lose their own case.”

The USA always think, that they can bomb some country to smithereens, and their country will stay unhurt. Well, this time that might be different.

Just wait, until the first US Navy ship is sunk. Wait until Seoul is flattened. Wait until the US bases in SK are attacked. Wait until a NK sub at the US coast starts launching rockets. My guess is, that NK can hurt the USA badly.

NK has learned from the devastating Korea war in the fifties. All their installations are deep underground, under mountains, nobody knows how deep. Good luck with ‘surgical strikes’.

Already for years there is a compromise on the table, forged by China. NK stops its developments of nuclear weapons, and the USA and SK stop their yearly massive military exercises at their border, imitating an invasion of NK.

Nice deal, I would say. But the USA doesn’t want it. They are stuck to their Wolfowitz doctrine, and think that everybody should dance for them, or else…

But don’t count out that it will turn out to be a humiliation comparable to Vietnam (also a nation with north and south, the north bordering China).

You are being targeted by the US while you help the US target other nations ???

Have you completely lost your minds ??

Have you no shame ??

Have you no integrity ??

Where is your logic ??

What is your strategic interest…..for all countries to be destroyed while you are the last two standing ??

Do you realize that the US cannot be let to bleed out as long as they control the dollars you idiots are using to eat and trade with ??

Do you not realize that the Americans have become so arrogant and psychotic that they might be willing to nuke you before you start trading in other currencies or barter in other commodities ?

Do you have some guarantees that the US will not attempt to physically destroy you, that you care to share with us simple minded people eating US sanctions and bombs ??

Are you using other nations destruction to buy time to retaliate or defend yourselves against the US ??

And to everyone who is reading…..how long will you continue to cry, beg, hope and complain about the big bad old AngloZionist alliance while the nations who are suppose to counter this evil do not even have the moral integrity to unite and stand up against this evil ??

Do you not realize it is madness to not standup to your enemy who wants to destroy you??

Do you not realize it is madness to encourage the enemy who wants to destroy you, to destroy other weaker nations who need you and want to ally with you ??

Do you not realize it is madness to continuously complain and btch about an enemy who wants to destroy you, instead of to discuss how to destroy, weaken or defend yourself against this enemy ?

In all my studying of history, I have never read of such strategic, economic and political foolishness, cowardliness and madness on a global scale.

The entire international community (including Russia and China) in their foolishness and USdollarful corruption will be just as responsible of any coming nuclear global war as the US-Western Zionist alliance.

Excuse my rage and anger….but I am sure you can find some truth in what I am saying, if you can stomach the truth.

What is worse than nuclear proliferation? The ability for a nuclear superpower like the US to bully other countries,that is what is worse. I don’t like the idea of more countries having nuclear weapons either. But you solve that problem by standing up to the bully. And telling them that you “the other nuclear superpowers” will not allow them to attack other countries. If you aren’t willing to do that. Then get out of the way while those other countries defend themselves.And stop helping the bully to enforce their rule by using the false argument of “preventing nuclear proliferation. All you are doing is “enabling” an aggressor to commit aggression .

Russia and China are taking the high road. They are not giving up their nukes; rather they are adopting a position that makes it easier to negotiate additional arms reductions once the Neozionists are put to rest, which is what Putin and China are working to do, ever so quietly, ever so cleverly.

Put your faith inpeople who plan for the next 1,000 years, not the next 1,440 minutes.

The “high road” they took was the same one Chamberlain took to Munich. There is no thought in the West of reducing the arms race. That is a pipe dream from our side. We don’t know the World’s future over a thousand years time (if there is one). But we have a strong view of what it is with the Hegemon ruling over us today. Look around at Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Syria,Ukraine,Iran,Russia,China,Venezuela,and now with North Korea. That is what comes from too much “high road” traveling. And counting on a thousand years to come.When everyone alive today will be long dead. And not be able to see how that worked out anyway.

I don’t know,have you counted the appeasement cases? I don’t favor war as a response. But neither do I dismiss it as never an answer to aggression. Sometimes there is no other answer acceptable. Its important to know which is which.

Just about every time there’s an AngloZionist provocation, you are angry when Putin doesn’t respond by fighting — and a war was clearly what the provocateurs wanted. You might almost be working for the Zionists.

Telling the truth and feeling compassion with the oppressed is not warmongering. Succumbing always to fear is not the best solution and after all, we are living at the bottom of the pyramid not at the top. They, up there have other perspective and needs but when the things get serious, we, at the bottom have to put our bones into fire (for them). So, the passion in the comments is natural.

Simply not true. The US is a huge proliferator. It has nuclear weapons all over the planet, in South Korea, Turkey, Germany and these are only the places where we know about their proliferation. They probably have them in 50 countries at a conservative estimate. The US loves war as long as it takes place in someone else’s country.

Nor can you say we all oppose NK’s developments. Actually they have achieved wonders in social development and thanks to their vital nuclear weapons are still standing unlike much of the middle east where the US has had free reign to create hell.

Had North Korea not acquired nuclear weapons it would resemble Libya today.

The Bush regime stated that it wanted to destroy North Korea long, long before they even had a nuclear weapon and Bush ended the “sunshine policy” of rapprochement which existed between the two Koreas in the late 90’s.

What is not tolerable to the US is that a country might have the means to defend itself against their global domination plan.

Even the US military drills have a damaging effect on NK’s economy causing near starvation in the 1990’s because they are intentionally held during the food planting season

“Each time the U.S. and South Korea launch their very large manoeuvres, the North Korean conscription army (1.2 million strong) has to go into a high state of defense readiness. Large manoeuvres are a classic starting point of military attacks.
The U.S.-South Korean manoeuvres are (intentionally) held during the planting (April/May) or harvesting (August) season for rice when North Korea needs each and every hand in its few arable areas. Only 17% of the northern landmass is usable for agriculture and the climate in not favorable. The cropping season is short.

The southern manoeuvres directly threaten the nutritional self-sufficiency of North Korea. In the later 1990s they were one of the reasons that led to a severe famine. ”

Despite all the lies and misinformation about the country and it’s leader –

“The North Korean head of state Kim Jong-un has officially announced a no-first-use policy for its nuclear capabilities:
“As a responsible nuclear weapons state, our republic will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached upon by any aggressive hostile forces with nukes,” Kim told the Workers’ Party of Korea congress in Pyongyang. Kim added that the North “will faithfully fulfill its obligation for non-proliferation and strive for the global denuclearization.”

Therefore James, I would suggest that if we are against nuclear weapons proliferation we should applaud North Korea’s principled statement to which they rigidly adhere and condemn the US reckless global deployment of these weapons. No?

As a first step, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) may suspend its nuclear and missile activities in exchange for the suspension of large-scale U.S.-Republic of Korea (ROK) military exercises,” Wang told a press conference on the sidelines of the annual session of the National People’s Congress.
…
North Korea has made the very same offer in January 2015. The Obama administration rejected it. North Korea repeated the offer in April 2016 and the Obama administration rejected it again. This March the Chinese government conveyed and supported the long-standing North Korean offer. The U.S. government, now under the Trump administration, immediately rejected it again. The offer, made and rejected three years in a row, is sensible. Its rejection only led to a bigger nuclear arsenal and to more missiles with longer reach that will eventually be able to reach the United States. ”

Once we have the facts the picture changes and no my friend the US is behaving anything but responsibly. China and Russia should denounce US aggression and stand by North Korea and it’s right to live in peace free from this demonic entity which has abused and bullied it for decades.

What on Earth is North Korea supposed to do. They have been seeking peace talks for years –

Noticed today that the tuppence regime’s planned war against DPRK ran into a few snags today. Both from msm (zio-gay) media and aipac’s congress critters.

Snags that wouldn’t have materialised if it was a clinton regime. Had Russia and China not signed on to the anti-DPRK sanctions, a lot of the noise against trump now, would have been directed at the Russians and Chinese and the zionazi tuppence regime war mongering would have been supported.

The israeli style “fire and fury” faggotry didn’t help the sods, either.

On the other side of the zionazi coin, israel’s fascist bum bandit network (“conservative” talk radio in pindoland) are hopped up with rage that their tuppence regime met resistance, to put their shrieking zio-queen reaction politely.

There is a lot more that I can say on this, but being tired and it being late, I’ll conclude with an observation that Russia/China applied the “cauldron” strategy, so successfully used militarily against the zionazis minions in the ukraine, to international politics regarding DPRK.

Yes, voting for this resolution was a wimpy and sad move by both Russia and China. However, this vote was not as dangerous as the Libya UN vote. The DPRK has nukes and an increasingly successful ICBM program. Libya did not. Washington will not launch air strikes against the DPRK like it did to Libya or Syria. The DPRK would conventionally respond to US air strikes by hitting US military bases all over the region causing mass US military fatalities. US Congress/MSM would then demand an invasion of the north. The DPRK would then respond to a US invasion by nuking many US cities, starting a nuclear war. Washington knows this and that is why there will be no “regime change” war or even “limited air strikes” against the DPRK, because it could so easily spiral out of control.

But do expect more hostile rhetoric from the US followed by DPRK missile tests.

Up until the fall of the USSR,North Korea and the USSR were close allies. It was Yeltsin’s Russia that let those relations lapse,not North Korea. And Putin’s Russia and North Korea have held several economic talks. And so seem to get along OK.Except now with the sanctions that might change.And up until today they still have fairly good relations with China (especially economic) .Thought the Chinese agreeing with the sanctions may hurt that. As for South Korea,those relations are on and off (right now off). Depending on how pro-US and anti-NK the President of South Korea is at the time. With Japan,as the old colonial master. The relations aren’t usually good.

But let me turn that around for you. What moves to improve relations do you see North Korea’s neighbors making. Why would you think it must be North Korea to make attempts at improving relations. They are the weaker country. It would seem to me the stronger ones would be able to make attempts to improve relations easier than the weaker one. Yes, it was said Kim was invited at first . But there is a cloud over that. On one hand I read he refused. And on another occasion I heard it was rumored he was told the invitation wasn’t really serious. So I don’t know which to believe on that. I do know though that it should be fairly easy for some World leaders to ask to visit North Korea and talk to him. If anyone was serious about trying to improve relations with North Korea that should be a good first step.

North Korea looks forward to the day when the two Korean states will merge into one nation, which will be governed from Pyongyang. South Korea also looks forward to unification; but to a nation that will be governed from Seoul.

By virtue of its nuclear arsenal and its effective defiance of both Japan and America, North Korea will be the stronger side in this eventual merger. South Korea’s material wealth cannot offset this.

So, from Seoul’s perspective, as well as America’s, North Korea’s ruling factions must be put down. That means its military must be crippled, if not totally destroyed; and the population rendered into locally-oriented enclaves, each struggling for its own survival. Then South Korea can be “forced”, for humanitarian reasons, to come to the rescue of the long-suffering people of North Korea.

The challenge is to get the DPRK to initiate hostilities in such a way that American media can propagate the notion that America itself is threatened. So far, the DPRK is cooperating.

Should South Korea’s military join with America’s to attack the North, it would be expected that North Korea would respond in kind toward the South. If so, then the prospect of millions of casualties on both sides would be realistic. But if the attack involved only US forces from ships at sea and from bases in US territories, thereby directly involving no other country, North Korea might refrain from attacking Japan and South Korea.

If the United States were to use “tactical” nuclear weapons, the threat to South Korea would be over in a matter of hours; and the threat of massive casualties in the vicinity of Seoul could be avoided. But that logical decision would not be appreciated …. unless …. American media could persuade much of the world that DPRK had actually launched a nuclear-armed missile. I don’t believe that DPRK would go that far.

But, Americans once convinced much of the world that Iraq had nuclear weapons. They have convinced many that Iran is/was on the verge. And they got most of the world to believe that the invasion and conquest of Afghanistan was the appropriate response to the acts of sabotage on 9-11-01, committed by 19 Saudi Arabians. Given enough time …

“Between 1941 and 1945, more Russian mothers had to bury their sons than any other group of mothers in the world and that’s just the mothers who themselves didn’t die during the war.

Every Russian person alive today either knows or is related to someone who fought in the Great Patriotic War. It is why on the 9th of May, every year, everyone from Vladimir Putin to ordinary people march in The Immortal Regiment to honour their loved who were veterans of that war whether they died in battle or after.

With this in mind, is it any wonder that Russians do not share the same zeal for war as those who have numerically and dare I say emotionally, not experienced the hell of war as sharply and as painfully?

It is as easy and as disgusting for alt-media trolls sitting behind their laptops to talk about Russia ‘lobbing nukes’ to show America Russia means business as it is for cretins like fake news merchant Brian Williams to call an unprovoked missile attack which killed innocent people ‘beautiful’.

This is why it should come as no surprise to anyone that First Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council’s Committee on International Affairs Vladimir Jabarov has said that,

‘We cannot be dragged into a military confrontation as it could lead to a large-scale war’.

People like John McCain may just be crazy enough to want a war between superpowers, but hardly any Russians are.

In spite of this, many in the nominally pro-Russian alt-media seem to salivate at the concept of Russia engaging with the United States in a Third World War.

Copying aggressive, militant and preemptive neo-con strategies, only under a Russian flag, is not the solution to the mess that Donald Trump has created in Syria, nor is it what any mainstream Russian politician wants whether President Putin or opposition leaders Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Gennady Zyuganov. Contrary to inaccurate reports, the Russian government and main opposition leaders are speaking with a generally unified voice; one that is calm but stern, angry and prepared but not vengeful nor fanatical”.

What strikes me most, is that the narrative is eerily similar to some years ago about Iran, being so close to building nuclear weapons. I still see Bibi, with his funny drawing at the UN.
I wouldn’t count out some engineered false flag event.

The main reasons could be quite different (who would have thought that).

America is a false god that nations around the world are enthralled to. Most cannot and dare not openly question the legitimacy of this false American god–lest they admit that that the United States is more accurately the United Satanists: a demon in disguise.

This is addressed to: ActivePatriot on August 10, 2017 • at 1:49 am UTC who wrote above:Russia gains nothing from opposing sanctions and loses standing by supporting a regime who has played the “give me handouts or I will launch missiles” one too many times.

That statement is deceitful and dishonest to such a disgusting degree I didn’t bother reading the rest of the commment. Once that kind of virus is detected, there is no need to keep analyzing every cubic centimeter of blood in the infected body.

When has NK threatened to “launch missiles” unless it receives “handouts”?

For that matter, when did NK ask for any handouts?

The only threats NK has made are always in the context of how it intends to react IF it is attacked. NK has taken great pains to drive the message that it won’t take agression lying down. What they’ve bee saying over and over and over is various versions of this wisdom: “This animal is very wicked / See what hapens if you kick it”

And why would they be so obsessed with sending that kind of message over and over?

Well, I will leave you with some quotes (including from well-known American generals) of what the exceptional halo-donning nation of do-gooders actually did in that place, not that long ago.

U.S. officers and soldiers who surveyed the results of the air campaign in Korea were both awestruck and revolted. In his controversial book Soldier, Lt. Col. Anthony Herbert collects reflections on the carnage from America’s most prominent generals of the day.

“We burned down just about every city in North Korea and South Korea both,” recalled Gen. Curtis LeMay. “We killed off over a million civilian Koreans and drove several million more from their homes, with the inevitable additional tragedies bound to ensue.”

Another decorated veteran of World War II, Air Force four-star Gen. Emmett E. “Rosie” O’Donnell, Jr., who later served as Commander in Chief of Pacific Air Forces from 1959 to 1963, collaborated LeMay’s and Armstrong’s assessments.

“I would say that the entire, almost the entire Korean Peninsula is a terrible mess. Everything is destroyed,” O’Donnell said. “There is nothing left standing worthy of the name.”

Perhaps the most scathing account of the destruction came from Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

MacArthur had become a national hero for his exploits as commander of the U.S. Army Forces in the Far East during the Philippines campaign of World War II, and as Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers during the occupation of Japan before he was named Commander-in-Chief of the United Nations Command at the onset of the Korean Conflict.

Despite his long and storied career as an officer, he began butting heads with Pres. Harry Truman over how the war in Korea was being conducted. This led to Truman relieving him of his command on April 11, 1951. MacArthur subsequently testified at joint hearings before the Senate’s Committee on Armed Services and Committee on Foreign Relations to discuss his dismissal and the “Military Situation in the Far East.”

“I shrink—I shrink with a horror that I cannot express in words—at this continuous slaughter of men in Korea,” MacArthur lamented during the hearings.

“The war in Korea has already almost destroyed that nation of 20,000,000 people. I have never seen such devastation. I have seen, I guess, as much blood and disaster as any living man, and it just curdled my stomach the last time I was there. After I looked at the wreckage and those thousands of women and children and everything, I vomited … If you go on indefinitely, you are perpetuating a slaughter such as I have never heard of in the history of mankind.”

They have no clue where it is, let alone what their own country did to them in the 1950s. A popular area to which they point to indicate where NK is, is North Eeastern Canada.
They are without doubt the most robotically brainwashed people in history.

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