You failed to provide evidence from the Quranic verse that Jesus was a Muslim.

And you can stop that too. If "Isa" was a "prophet of Islam" who was "given the true religion", according to the Qur'an, what was he then? A worshipper of the spaghetti monster?

And whatever you can levy against Christians on forced conversions fades into insignificance if you look at the bloody history of Islam, completely killing off entire civilisations. Before try and find faults without look in the mirror. What is more, forced conversions are against Christian teachings.

There are some 250 million people dead because of Mohammed. That is not matched by anyone or anything. In Western Countries we have freedom of (and from) religion. Most Muslim countries do not have that, or only in name, and most Muslims in the West fight all freedoms and what shariah.

So here we have SAM, who wants to behead people for expressing a carefully weighed up viewpoint, trying to lecture those who invented religious freedom about, of all things, freedom of religion. You could not make it up....

[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

Infancy Gospel of Thomas

“1 1 When the boy Jesus was five years old, he was playing at the ford of a rushing stream. And he gathered the disturbed water into pools and made them pure and excellent, commanding them by the character of his word alone and not by means of a deed. 2 Then, taking soft clay from the mud, he formed twelve sparrows. It was the Sabbath when he did these things, and many children were with him. 3 And a certain Jew, seeing the boy Jesus with the other children doing these things, went to his father Joseph and falsely accused the boy Jesus, saying that, on the Sabbath he made clay, which is not lawful, and fashioned twelve sparrows. 4 And Joseph came and rebuked him, saying, “Why are you doing these things on the Sabbath?” But Jesus, clapping his hands, commanded the birds with a shout in front of everyone and said, “Go, take flight, and remember me, living ones.” And the sparrows, taking flight, went away squawking. 5 When the Pharisee saw this he was amazed and reported it to all his friends.”

Here we go again. This time, fast riding on la la land of imaginations, false stories or distorted facts.

Every item written in the Quran - its only source is Muhammad. He simply repeated written stories related to biblical times which learned from Jews & Christians while staying in Damascus and further he learned from those Jews in Madinah who hosted him in their homes - fed him with their food and taught him tenents and history of Judaism. He later repaid their kindness with barbaric acts of expulsions, rape of their women and loot their properties.No Allah and no enchilada. Keep riding that horse of imaginations and delusional journeys

SAM wrote:Before the arrival of Islam. Christians fought and killed each other for the biblical interpretation of which each party said they were true, others wrong, heresy, heterodox and heretical and so on..

Come'on you deranged idiot. And what do you think Muslims are doing these days? - fighting & slaughtering each other - mass killings which dwarf what non-Muslims have done to each other through past 2000 years.

If you are a real Muslim then your fanaticism overwhelm basic human logic and tenents of civilized discourse. Get a grip of realities - Islam has failed, it failed because it no longer can sustain itself with looting other people properties, or tax (dihmmi) them. Can you imagine Saudi Arabia and Jordan's very existence depend on Christians & Jews (US, UK, Israel). Defend them against their fellow Muslims (Iran).

Now Jews & Christians have learned to defend themselves against parasites like you. Muslims have to work for their living. and they don't like it. The only rational and pragmatic Muslims these days can be found in UAE, & Qatar. The very reason they have the closest relationship with Israel.The only thing keeps Islam from total collapse is oil.

SAM wrote:Your Hebrew Bible has long been falsified, corrupted, altered, etc which is why Jesus faced the Pharisees, Scribes, High Priest and said that he had come not to abolish the Law as they did, but he wanted to improve the Law.

The original Quran Allah had warned Muslims NOT harm Jews. After 600 years of not listening to Allah - Muslims persecuted Jews, treated unfairly and committed sin against Allah chosen children.Muslim clerics had altered the Quran and removed all those warnings to which subsequently there were punished to this day.

Punishment started with the fall of the Ottoman Empire, after which Allah rewarded the Jews with the creation of Israel. That punishment still continues with the fact, with every attempt to hurt the Jews (wars of 58, 56, 67, 73, and terror attacks of 2000) all resulted with more punishment.More Muslims kill each other - while Jews in Israel are getting stronger & wealthier, and more Arab countries are listening to Allah and forming peace with Israel.

Go and find the original - the uncorrupted Quran and you will see it written in plain sight.

You failed to provide evidence from the Quranic verse that Jesus was a Muslim.

And you can stop that too. If "Isa" was a "prophet of Islam" who was "given the true religion", according to the Qur'an, what was he then? A worshipper of the spaghetti monster?

You still failed to provide evidence from the Quranic verse that Jesus was a Muslim.

And whatever you can levy against Christians on forced conversions fades into insignificance if you look at the bloody history of Islam, completely killing off entire civilisations. Before try and find faults without look in the mirror. What is more, forced conversions are against Christian teachings.

There are some 250 million people dead because of Mohammed. That is not matched by anyone or anything. In Western Countries we have freedom of (and from) religion. Most Muslim countries do not have that, or only in name, and most Muslims in the West fight all freedoms and what shariah.

So here we have SAM, who wants to behead people for expressing a carefully weighed up viewpoint, trying to lecture those who invented religious freedom about, of all things, freedom of religion. You could not make it up....

Bible verses advocate genocide against pagan/heathen natives.

"You must drive all the natives of the land before you. If you do not drive the natives of the country before you then those who remain will become disgusting to your eyes and a thorn in your side. They will harass you in the land where you live, and I will deal with you as I meant to deal with them." Num. 33:51

The Lord hath said..."I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Psalm 2 KJV

The Christian invasion and conquest of the Western Hemisphere caused the deaths of upwards of 90 percent of the indigenous population of around 100 million. Father Junipero Serra built 21 missions that extended up the United States' west coast to San Francisco, California. Serra used the native populations as slaves to maintain the missions, working the people to death. Christopher Columbus and his men also enslaved natives and worked them to death. They also used innocent native people for dog food. The dogs would tare the natives to "pieces" and then eat them.

Father Bartolome de Las Casas was the first European historian in the Americas. When referring to the European Christians' first forty years of genocidal behavior in the Americas he wrote:

"They are still acting like ravening beasts, killing, terrorizing, afflicting, torturing, and destroying the native peoples, doing all this with the strangest and most varied new methods of cruelty, never seen or heard of before, and to such a degree that this Island of Hispaniola once so populous (having a population that I estimated to be more than three million), has now a population of barely two hundred persons."

Bartolome de Las Casas also wrote: "They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles. When the Indians were thus still alive and hanging, the Spaniards tested their strength and their blades against them, ripping chests open with one blow and exposing entrails, and there were those who did worse. Then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

I have explained Numbers 33 to you twice before, but you seem to have problems understanding things.

1) The chapter is not an instruction for all to follow, but a very late account of the conquest of Canaan.

2) It varies from earlier accounts slightly, because it is written much later and by different people. It is by a group of temple priests who project backwards to the time of Moses. It is doubtful that the account is even historical, because Moses with just a small number of fighting men, weakened after decades in the desert, would not really be a serious military threat. Also, other accounts tell us that Moses died before the conquest of Israel. The real purpose of the text is made plain in this:

55 “‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. 56 And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them.’”

Manifestly Moses did NOT drive out all the inhabitants. Who then would there have been for David to fight? So what the writer is doing is this: he criticises his contemporaries for allowing idol worship in Israel, saying, if only you had done what YHWH had told Moses long ago you would not be in this mess.

So here we have a Muslim, of the people who got all their land by bloodshed, complaining about what may or may not have been bloodshed thousands of years ago.

And psalm 2 is a song telling rulers not to attack Israel or they will perish... Muslims should read that.

And what you conveniently left out about FATHER Bartolome de Las Casas , a PRIEST, is that he wrote his account to complain to the king of Spain about how settlers behaved. He was one the side of the Natives!

It really does not befit an man who wants to kill people for their convictions, like you, to complain about the violence of others. A representative of the most violent cult in history, a "religion" responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and for the extinction of whole civilisations, a cult that brought only misery to the world, is unworthy to criticise the behaviour of others.

SAM wrote:Your Hebrew Bible has long been falsified, corrupted, altered, etc which is why Jesus faced the Pharisees, Scribes, High Priest and said that he had come not to abolish the Law as they did, but he wanted to improve the Law.

The original Quran Allah had warned Muslims NOT harm Jews. After 600 years of not listening to Allah - Muslims persecuted Jews, treated unfairly and committed sin against Allah chosen children.Muslim clerics had altered the Quran and removed all those warnings to which subsequently there were punished to this day.

After a new religion, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor Theodosius in 380, Christians were hostile to Jews and Judaism, even to Jews who believed in Jesus. Emperor Constantine had seen it before at the Council of Nicea in 325 when he warned the bishops of the church that they must have something to do with the practices of disgusting Jews who were responsible for Jesus' death. The Church, in its actions and teachings, always represents the faith and doctrine described in the New Testament as condemnations of Judaism within the Jewish community of the period. Fathers of the Church began to write of Jews as a rejected people who were doomed to a life of marginality and misery. Jews were to wander the world as a despised people.

Punishment started with the fall of the Ottoman Empire, after which Allah rewarded the Jews with the creation of Israel. That punishment still continues with the fact, with every attempt to hurt the Jews (wars of 58, 56, 67, 73, and terror attacks of 2000) all resulted with more punishment.More Muslims kill each other - while Jews in Israel are getting stronger & wealthier, and more Arab countries are listening to Allah and forming peace with Israel.

Go and find the original - the uncorrupted Quran and you will see it written in plain sight.

SAM is on his way to Istanbul to read the uncorrupted Qur'an.

Zionist leader Theodor Herzl founder of Israel has hundreds of millions of money but does not own land, so he wants land in Palestine from the Ottoman Caliph. He also tried to buy a piece of land in Palestine for 150 million gold pieces, but was refused by the Sultan.

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Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

I have explained Numbers 33 to you twice before, but you seem to have problems understanding things.

1) The chapter is not an instruction for all to follow, but a very late account of the conquest of Canaan.

2) It varies from earlier accounts slightly, because it is written much later and by different people. It is by a group of temple priests who project backwards to the time of Moses. It is doubtful that the account is even historical, because Moses with just a small number of fighting men, weakened after decades in the desert, would not really be a serious military threat. Also, other accounts tell us that Moses died before the conquest of Israel. The real purpose of the text is made plain in this:

55 “‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. 56 And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them.’”

Manifestly Moses did NOT drive out all the inhabitants. Who then would there have been for David to fight? So what the writer is doing is this: he criticises his contemporaries for allowing idol worship in Israel, saying, if only you had done what YHWH had told Moses long ago you would not be in this mess.

So here we have a Muslim, of the people who got all their land by bloodshed, complaining about what may or may not have been bloodshed thousands of years ago.

And psalm 2 is a song telling rulers not to attack Israel or they will perish... Muslims should read that.

And what you conveniently left out about FATHER Bartolome de Las Casas , a PRIEST, is that he wrote his account to complain to the king of Spain about how settlers behaved. He was one the side of the Natives!

It really does not befit an man who wants to kill people for their convictions, like you, to complain about the violence of others. A representative of the most violent cult in history, a "religion" responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and for the extinction of whole civilisations, a cult that brought only misery to the world, is unworthy to criticise the behaviour of others.

Pope John Paul II reads:

Five hundred years ago, your predecessor, Pope Alexander VI, issued the now famous Inter Caetera bull. That papal decree expressed the pope's desire that "barbarous nations," those "discovered," be "subjugated" and reduced to the Catholic faith and Christian religion. He said that in this way, the "Christian empire" would be propagated. The Inter Caetera bull was in direct line with an earlier bull issued in 1452 by Pope Nicholas V to King Alfonso V of Portugal, which called upon the king, "to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens (Muslims) and pagans, whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ." Pope Nicholas also directed Alfonso to take away and convert the non-Christians' possessions and property," and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery."

He also ordered that missionaries should work with the natives, specially when he learned about the human sacrifice being widely practised there.

NOT ONE person was ever killed for not accepting Christianity in South America.

"Millions of Native Americans were put to death for not accepting "the true god." is a base lie. Sure, there were abuses, bad ones, and the abusers often used Christianity to justify them. But it were the missionaries, notably the Jesuits, who fought this.

But SAM likes to twist the past to hide the elephant in the room... the Muslim atrocities. It is not working

Jesus prayed to God as His Father, which no Muslim can do as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not pray to Allah, He prayed to the God of the Bible YHWH, as all Jews still do, who is a Father to mankind, which immediately disqualifies Jesus as a prophet of Islam.

Why is Jesus still held as a prophet in the Quran, when he disobeyed the god of the Quran?

SAM wrote:Your Hebrew Bible has long been falsified, corrupted, altered, etc which is why Jesus faced the Pharisees, Scribes, High Priest and said that he had come not to abolish the Law as they did, but he wanted to improve the Law.

The original Quran Allah had warned Muslims NOT harm Jews. After 600 years of not listening to Allah - Muslims persecuted Jews, treated unfairly and committed sin against Allah chosen children.Muslim clerics had altered the Quran and removed all those warnings to which subsequently there were punished to this day.

After a new religion, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor Theodosius in 380, Christians were hostile to Jews and Judaism, even to Jews who believed in Jesus. Emperor Constantine had seen it before at the Council of Nicea in 325 when he warned the bishops of the church that they must have something to do with the practices of disgusting Jews who were responsible for Jesus' death. The Church, in its actions and teachings, always represents the faith and doctrine described in the New Testament as condemnations of Judaism within the Jewish community of the period. Fathers of the Church began to write of Jews as a rejected people who were doomed to a life of marginality and misery. Jews were to wander the world as a despised people.

Punishment started with the fall of the Ottoman Empire, after which Allah rewarded the Jews with the creation of Israel. That punishment still continues with the fact, with every attempt to hurt the Jews (wars of 58, 56, 67, 73, and terror attacks of 2000) all resulted with more punishment.More Muslims kill each other - while Jews in Israel are getting stronger & wealthier, and more Arab countries are listening to Allah and forming peace with Israel.

Go and find the original - the uncorrupted Quran and you will see it written in plain sight.

SAM is on his way to Istanbul to read the uncorrupted Qur'an.

Zionist leader Theodor Herzl founder of Israel has hundreds of millions of money but does not own land, so he wants land in Palestine from the Ottoman Caliph. He also tried to buy a piece of land in Palestine for 150 million gold pieces, but was refused by the Sultan.

First: Hertzl was not a millioner - nor had any millions. Rather he was a newpaper correspondent in Viena.Second: He also was modern-day and the last prophet Allah had sent to earth - not Muhammad.

In 1897, he received revelations from Allah - commanding him to repeat prophet Moses act - "Let my people go" & lead his Jewish people back to their homeland through legitimate means - buy the land at a full price.

Recognizing this fact, the British started the move to obey Allah's command. You are right, the Sultan did refuse the offer and ended up Allah punish him and destroyed his empire.

Get your facts straight. Stop reading the Quran. It contains full of 1000 night Arabian fairytales, mixed with those biblical stories which Muhammad had copied from the HB & NT. Read these books. They contain the truth - not the Quran.

Hombre wrote:First: Hertzl was not a millioner - nor had any millions. Rather he was a newpaper correspondent in Viena.

Of course, he was a journalist and not a millionaire but has the support of the Rothschilds, Morgans, Du Ponts and other Zionist billionaires.

Second: He also was modern-day and the last prophet Allah had sent to earth - not Muhammad.

In 1897, he received revelations from Allah - commanding him to repeat prophet Moses act - "Let my people go" & lead his Jewish people back to their homeland through legitimate means - buy the land at a full price.

So Zionists are disappointed because Yahweh did not send the Military Messiah.

Recognizing this fact, the British started the move to obey Allah's command. You are right, the Sultan did refuse the offer and ended up Allah punish him and destroyed his empire.

Get your facts straight. Stop reading the Quran. It contains full of 1000 night Arabian fairytales, mixed with those biblical stories which Muhammad had copied from the HB & NT. Read these books. They contain the truth - not the Quran.

Ashkenazi Jews Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, the movement to establish the homeland of the Jewish State. He became the first president of the World Zionist Organization. Herzl died more than 40 years before seeing the establishment of the State of Israel, he was an irresponsible advocate, propagandist, organizer and diplomat, who involved many crimes, sedition, murder, corruption and all the crimes of a Jew as recorded in the holy scriptures.

Why he wanted Land in Palestine because he was shocked by anti-Semitism across Europe. He said that as long as anti-Semitism existed, Jews could not live happily and could not be assimilated in the Europe. So he said the only solution for the vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews would be isolated into emigration into their own state, the Jewish State by seizing the Palestinian Land.

Herzl has gone to Constantinople (Istanbul) in the hope of speaking with the Ottoman Sultan about obtaining Palestinian granting as an independent state. He negotiated unsuccessfully with the Sultan Abdul Hamid for the grant of a charter that would allow Jewish mass settlement in Palestine on an autonomous basis. He then turned to Great Britain, which seemed favourable to the establishment of a Jewish settlement in British territory in the Sinai Peninsula. When this project failed, the British proposed Uganda in East Africa. This offer, which he and some other Zionists were willing to accept, aroused violent opposition at the Zionist congress of 1903, particularly among the Russians. Herzl was unable to resolve the conflict. He died of a heart ailment at Edlach, near Vienna, at the age of 44. He was buried in Vienna, but, in accordance with his wish, his remains were removed to Jerusalem in 1949 after the creation of the Jewish state and entombed on a hill west of the city now known as Mount Herzl.

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

SAM wrote: Ashkenazi Jews Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, the movement to establish the homeland of the Jewish State. He became the first president of the World Zionist Organization. Herzl died more than 40 years before seeing the establishment of the State of Israel, he was an irresponsible advocate, propagandist, organizer and diplomat, who involved many crimes, sedition, murder, corruption and all the crimes of a Jew as recorded in the holy scriptures.

Why he wanted Land in Palestine because he was shocked by anti-Semitism across Europe. He said that as long as anti-Semitism existed, Jews could not live happily and could not be assimilated in the Europe. So he said the only solution for the vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews would be isolated into emigration into their own state, the Jewish State by seizing the Palestinian Land.

Herzl has gone to Constantinople (Istanbul) in the hope of speaking with the Ottoman Sultan about obtaining Palestinian granting as an independent state. He negotiated unsuccessfully with the Sultan Abdul Hamid for the grant of a charter that would allow Jewish mass settlement in Palestine on an autonomous basis. He then turned to Great Britain, which seemed favourable to the establishment of a Jewish settlement in British territory in the Sinai Peninsula. When this project failed, the British proposed Uganda in East Africa. This offer, which he and some other Zionists were willing to accept, aroused violent opposition at the Zionist congress of 1903, particularly among the Russians. Herzl was unable to resolve the conflict. He died of a heart ailment at Edlach, near Vienna, at the age of 44. He was buried in Vienna, but, in accordance with his wish, his remains were removed to Jerusalem in 1949 after the creation of the Jewish state and entombed on a hill west of the city now known as Mount Herzl.

I know exactly who is he and even visited his grave in Jerusalem. Otherwise, it is true - except if you compare him to Muhammad - Hartzl was a prophet, and received his revelation exactly as Muhammad did in his days roaming the Arabian desert.

Allah also included the Sephardi Jews throughout the Middle East as well.

He did not kill anyone - nor ordered to kill any non-Jews. simply Allah ordered him to have all Jews worldwide return to their ancestral land after 1900 years in the diaspora.

Hombre wrote:I know exactly who is he and even visited his grave in Jerusalem. Otherwise, it is true - except if you compare him to Muhammad - Hartzl was a prophet, and received his revelation exactly as Muhammad did in his days roaming the Arabian desert.

Allah also included the Sephardi Jews throughout the Middle East as well.

He did not kill anyone - nor ordered to kill any non-Jews. simply Allah ordered him to have all Jews worldwide return to their ancestral land after 1900 years in the diaspora.

Now, there is a popular Turkish TV Series PAYİTAHT ABDÜLHAMİD about Sultan Abdul Hamid II against the conspiracy of Zionist Jewish, Vatican and Western World leaders aiming to overthrow the Osmanli Empire... Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (Al-Aqsa and Kaabah). I'm still watching the Season 2.

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

Jesus prayed to God as His Father, which no Muslim can do as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not pray to Allah, He prayed to the God of the Bible YHWH, as all Jews still do, who is a Father to mankind, which immediately disqualifies Jesus as a prophet of Islam.

Why is Jesus still held as a prophet in the Quran, when he disobeyed the god of the Quran?

Where are you Muslims, are you so ashamed of your faith that you have to avoid simple questions put to you?

Hombre wrote:I know exactly who is he and even visited his grave in Jerusalem. Otherwise, it is true - except if you compare him to Muhammad - Hartzl was a prophet, and received his revelation exactly as Muhammad did in his days roaming the Arabian desert.

Allah also included the Sephardi Jews throughout the Middle East as well.

He did not kill anyone - nor ordered to kill any non-Jews. simply Allah ordered him to have all Jews worldwide return to their ancestral land after 1900 years in the diaspora.

Now, there is a popular Turkish TV Series PAYİTAHT ABDÜLHAMİD about Sultan Abdul Hamid II against the conspiracy of Zionist Jewish, Vatican and Western World leaders aiming to overthrow the Osmanli Empire... Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (Al-Aqsa and Kaabah). I'm still watching the Season 2.

where do you watch it? Youtube? I could be interested to watch it if it comes with Subtitles.send me the link, please.

(btw some of those big nosed actors are descendants of those Jews who were expelled from Spain in 1492 and converted to Islam. )

frankie wrote:I am still waiting for an answer to this question.Jesus prayed to God as His Father, which no Muslim can do as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not pray to Allah, He prayed to the God of the Bible YHWH, as all Jews still do, who is a Father to mankind, which immediately disqualifies Jesus as a prophet of Islam.Why is Jesus still held as a prophet in the Quran, when he disobeyed the god of the Quran?

Where are you Muslims, are you so ashamed of your faith that you have to avoid simple questions put to you?

Christians always claim that they do not worship the same God with Muslims. Jesus and Isa, it is not the same person.

Christians believe that God the Father is the first person of the Trinity, followed by the second person of God the Son (Jesus) and the third person of the Holy Spirit. And that these three are one God

But in the Bible 1 John 5: 7 clearly states, the name of Jesus is not mentioned in the Trinity.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.”

This is the most clearest and explicit verse in the NT that supports the trinitarian dogma.

In Islam, the concept of the Christian Trinity is an act of shirk.

Jews also reject the doctrine of the Trinity?

In Christianity, Jesus is called the son of God.

In the Qur'an, Isa is called Son of Mary.

Judaism rejects Yeshua as God. In the Talmud, Yeshua is an illegitimate child.

In the N.T, Matthew 21:11 clearly says, "This is Jesus, the prophet Nazareth in Galilee." Not the son of God

In the Quran, Isa, son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah.

Yeshua was rejected in Judaism as a failed Jewish Messiah claimant and a false prophet by most Jewish.

In the Quran, Isa said, "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."

Not Pagan God, Zeus or Jupiter as God the Father.

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

You seem to never tire of ripping lines from texts and changing their meanings to suit your purpose...

But in the Bible 1 John 5: 7 clearly states, the name of Jesus is not mentioned in the Trinity.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.”

So have a look what John says what or rather who this "word" is:

John explains what he means in detail right at the start of his writing, as if he knew you would come along and deliberately misunderstand him....

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

And the daftest comment is this one:

In the N.T, Matthew 21:11 clearly says, "This is Jesus, the prophet Nazareth in Galilee." Not the son of God

So not only do you rip little snippets from texts, but also draw conclusions from what it does NOT say.

Who actually said the sentence you quoted, according to Matthew? Hmmm?

And who Jesus is was presented in the synoptic gospels in a rather subtle way, per that is over your head... Jesus heals, raises the dead, forgives sins, is "Lord of the Sabbath"... When Jesus said this, there were some scribes nearby, and they took issue with these words because only God can forgive sins. As a result, they recognized that Jesus was acting in the place of God, so they accused him of blasphemy.

In response, Jesus didn’t try to argue that he was not in fact usurping the place of God. Instead, he simply said that he would heal the man in order to prove that he really could forgive sins, and then he did just that. With this reply, Jesus showed that he accepted the basis of the scribes’ argument. He did something that only God can do. He didn’t challenge the premise that only God can do it.

And there is this:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Matthew 28:19-20)

Matthew was not "in your face" in his teachings about Jesus. Instead he made a case and left it for the reader to decide.

frankie wrote:I am still waiting for an answer to this question.Jesus prayed to God as His Father, which no Muslim can do as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not pray to Allah, He prayed to the God of the Bible YHWH, as all Jews still do, who is a Father to mankind, which immediately disqualifies Jesus as a prophet of Islam.Why is Jesus still held as a prophet in the Quran, when he disobeyed the god of the Quran?

Where are you Muslims, are you so ashamed of your faith that you have to avoid simple questions put to you?

Christians always claim that they do not worship the same God with Muslims. Jesus and Isa, it is not the same person.

Christians believe that God the Father is the first person of the Trinity, followed by the second person of God the Son (Jesus) and the third person of the Holy Spirit. And that these three are one God

But in the Bible 1 John 5: 7 clearly states, the name of Jesus is not mentioned in the Trinity.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.”

This is the most clearest and explicit verse in the NT that supports the trinitarian dogma.

In Islam, the concept of the Christian Trinity is an act of shirk.

Jews also reject the doctrine of the Trinity?

In Christianity, Jesus is called the son of God.

In the Qur'an, Isa is called Son of Mary.

Judaism rejects Yeshua as God. In the Talmud, Yeshua is an illegitimate child.

In the N.T, Matthew 21:11 clearly says, "This is Jesus, the prophet Nazareth in Galilee." Not the son of God

In the Quran, Isa, son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah.

Yeshua was rejected in Judaism as a failed Jewish Messiah claimant and a false prophet by most Jewish.

In the Quran, Isa said, "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."

Not Pagan God, Zeus or Jupiter as God the Father.

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In Islam, the concept of the Christian Trinity is an act of shirk

Correct, so why is Jesus deemed a prophet of Islam when he committed shirk by praying to God as His Father?

Jews also reject the doctrine of the Trinity?

Incorrect, the Triune nature of YHWH runs throughout the Bible, starting in Genesis:

Genesis 1:26-2826 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Isaiah 64:8But now, O LORD, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand.

Jesus was prophesied by Gabriel to Mary to be the Son of the Most High,i.e. Jesus will be the Son of God.

Luke 1:32

…31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”…

The god of the Quran proves it cannot be the God of the Bible which gives does give firm evidence for the Trinity throughout God’s written word, this same written word Jesus used throughout His ministry, and His final commission to His followers, which is the reason why all Christians still get baptised today, in accordance to Jesus’ command.

Matthew 28:18-2018Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Like all Muslims you refuse to answer why one of Islam's most respected of prophets could pray to God as His Father, when Allah is a father to no one, proving Allah cannot be the god Jesus prayed to, which in turn proves the Quran is a lie.

The god of the Quran is the “greatest “of the pagan gods held at the Kaaba, which was turned into the only god, aligning it with the God of the Bible, to falsely give Islam authenticity as an Abrahamic faith, when its own scriptures and history proves Islam’s roots lie in pre Islamic paganism, proving Islam is a fraudulent faith, invented by a false prophet.