Iran is in an "open war" with Israel, President Shimon Peres said Monday, as he pointed the finger at Iran and Hezbollah for last week's bombing in Bulgaria that killed five Israelis.

In an exclusive interview with CNN, Peres said Israel will act to prevent further attacks.

Peres said Israel has "enough" hard intelligence to link the Bulgaria attack to Iran and its proxy Hezbollah, and believes more attacks are being planned as part of what he called an "open war against Israel."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Iran and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah movement were responsible for a number of attacks and attempted attacks against Israeli targets in Thailand, Georgia, India, Greece, Cyprus and other countries.
Asked whether the Bulgaria bombing and the other attempted attacks were revenge for the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, which Iran blames on Israel, Peres said that Israel has never claimed responsibility for the killings. But he noted that Israel has a right to prevent the killing of its citizens.

We don't have an initiative of terror," Peres said. "We don't do it. But self-defense is the right and the must of every people."

He said Israel's policy is one of "prevention," rather than "retaliation."

"If you have enough information about a certain person which is a ticking clock that can explode a bomb that can endanger civilian life, clearly you have to prevent him from doing so," Peres said. He cited reports that the United States has killed as many as 3,000 people in drone strikes aimed at terrorist enclaves.

With neighboring Syria in a spiral of violence, Peres said Israel will be forced to seize Syria's chemical weapons if there is a risk President Bashar al-Assad would use them against Israel or that the arsenal could fall into terrorist hands.

Over the weekend, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said he ordered the military to prepare contingency plans to attack Syria's chemical weapons arsenals, should the need arise.

"The use of chemical weapons is internationally forbidden ... and what do you do when somebody violates the law? You fight against it," Peres said. "You stop them. We shall not remain indifferent and tell them, 'Do what you want.'"

Asked how far Israel would go to secure Syria's chemical arsenal, Peres simply said: "Until it will stop being a danger."

The conflict in Syria has already led to nearly 80,000 Syrians fleeing to neighboring Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq, according to U.N. relief agencies. So far, none have sought refuge in Israel - and Peres said Israel wants to keep control of its borders amid the crisis wracking its longtime foe.

"What will happen if Syrian refugees try to cross the Israeli border? Will you help them?" CNN asked Peres.

"No," he replied.

"Will you shoot them?"

"We will prevent them. I mean, you don't go straight to the rifle. There are other means to prevent them. We should prevent it. Because it will be a double tragedy for them and for us. They will become homeless and we shall become defenseless."

"If the Syrians start to come over the border, will you stop them by force?"

"First of all, until now none of them asked to come in," Peres said. "If they will come by force, we shall stop them by force. If they shall come in without force, we shall stop them the way any country defended her border with civilian means."

When CNN noted that the potential refugees are trying to escape bloodshed in their own country, not invade Israel, Peres said, "If they want to escape, they first of all have to appeal, ask for permission. None of them did it."

With Israel facing a potential influx of refugees, Peres said although no Syrians have tried to enter the country, Israel would not help any refugees who want to cross the border and would use force against any armed individuals.

"If they will come by force, we shall stop them by force," Peres said. "If they shall come in without force, we shall stop them the way any country defended her border with civilian means."

Peres spoke a day after Israel marked the 40th anniversary of the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, Germany, where 11 Israeli athletes and coaches were killed.

While he wouldn't go into details, Peres said Israel was taking precautions to ensure Israeli athletes would not be targeted at the London Olympic Games, which start later this week. He argued, however, that if Israeli intelligence services been at Munich, they would probably have been able to prevent the attack.

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Jessie M.

I'm American, and I would never ask my congressmen to help Israel with Iran. They are on their own. Iranian people are intelligent, culturally inspiring and beautiful, just like the Israeli people. There is no difference in people, only difference is in government and military heads. Stop war.

More like, stop earning your paycheck trying to change the minds of Americans. You'll never change us or our support of Israel. Only Israel itself could ever do that. The fakes coming here and saying , "I'm an American and blah blah I hate Israel whatever" don't persuade us one bit. It's not hard to find someone who speaks English outside of the United States. It's also not hard to spend a year or two reading American comments and immitate them on a narrow range of topics.

Israel knows they cant not wipe Iran off the map by themself and they need the U.S. help to commit a holocaust against the Iranians. Its been too long that WE Americans have helped and gave our money to Israel so they can commit acts of war with their neighbors. ITs time to tell Israel NO NO NO!! You CAN NOT have our Sons and Daughters risk their lives for a WAR Israel started by KILLING the Iranians citizens(scientist), I dont care how much the media is getting Paid by AIPAC, ISRAEL GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!

I hope you learn about Israel, because as an Israeli-American I am extremely sadden to read this. You do understand the threat the Iran poses to American and Israel? You do not comprehend how Israel does not want to fight? We do not enjoy death and war, we just do what we need to do to stay safe.

July 23, 2012 at 5:12 pm |

Gregg

@James, how dare you use the word "holocaust" in the context of Israel's struggle against Iran, who is clearly the aggressor nation. All Israeli Jews want is to be left alone in the homeland of their fathers which dates back to Biblical times. The Iranian president himself is a holocaust denier and has publicly stated that Israel has no right to exist. Given his way he would kill every single Jew alive if he could. The Iranian military even attacks and kills their own civilians whenever the populace questions the iron-fisted authority of their president and clerics. Former U.S. President Bush may have been a blundering oaf of a president who delegated his authority away to his lieutenants like Cheney, BUT he was right on one thing..Iran IS a part of an axis of evil in this world, and a scourge on the face of our planet. Until the government of Iran is crushed and toppled there will be no peace in the Middle East for neither Arab or Jew.
-NOT Jewish, and NOT Israeli

WARNING: JOE DIRT is not an American, he is a paid operative of Israel who is charged with monitoring Mass Media websites and terrorizing those who speak their minds against Israel. Israel has hired 100's of dirt bags like Joe Dirt to terrorize Americans on our media websites Beware of others Like Joe dirt from Israel

July 23, 2012 at 4:43 pm |

sam

"Joe dirt" is aptly named.

July 23, 2012 at 4:45 pm |

Tristan Eugen

Persian women are much more attractive and the culture is not parasitic. There is actually a Darwinist argument to supporting Iran.

Billy, seriously Israel just has us as their bodyguard so they can murder kill and genocide who they like, and when people fight back Israel is crying and saying remember the holocaust remember the holocaust while they use Our money to dry off their fake tears and put it in their pocket

July 23, 2012 at 4:45 pm |

Myrrthfull

Steve and billy are obviously delusional, racist fücktards.

July 23, 2012 at 5:56 pm |

BillySpudd

Maybe Syria can help Israel by sending them all their weapons of mass destruction. Also, does this mean Israel won't whine and play the vestal virgin when Iran retaliates for all the sneaky stuff Israel has done? Israel LOVES war when others don't fight back. They aren't so keen on it when someone actually has the power to fight back.

You should remember from the moment Israel took its first breath it has been at war with its neighbors. It wasn't Israel who attacked but was attacked by their neighbors. And the war has continued. It might have been open field contact between troops but nonetheless there has been hostility, mistrust, and a committment of the Arab nations to do harm towards Israel whenever possible. The lulls that have taken place between wars are just that, but the conflict continues. For the Arabs the concept of peace is only the calm between war and the Arab hope is that the next war will be the war the annihilates Israel. If you think of it, had the Palestinian made a half peace with Isreal and had kept a peaceful border with Isreal they would have enjoyed forty years of growth and had been able to give a new life to their children. I am almost certain that forty years of peace they would have gained more concessions from Isreal and the Palestinians would have been much better for it. Palestinians are much like the Isrealis. They have been a people without a land living in host countries where they are not fully accepted. They are resourceful and very capable, their only downfall is that they have misled by leadership and have been encouraged by their neighbors with land to continue the fight against Isreal.

One day you may all wake up and realise the men at the top of whatever religion or country doesn't give a damn about the rest of his people just so long as is own backside is warm.
Wake up and stop fighting amongst yourselves, your playing right into their hands...

What a phony Pakistani, no Pakistani thinks they or Iranians are the descendant of Arabs. Hmm I wonder who this poster is...

July 23, 2012 at 4:13 pm |

ThatGuy

A Troll

July 23, 2012 at 4:14 pm |

Myrrthfull

Hey Thatgay – here's another technology that Pakistan has and Iran will never get.......nuclear weapons.

July 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm |

sasss31

Mr. President Shimon Peres, as an Iranian-American I want to say thank you. I want to thank you for standing up for what's right and that is humanity in opposing this tyrannical regime which has destroyed the once great and proud nation of Iran.

Someone @ CNN please explain to me which steps you have taken here to delete all of the anti-semitism & racist remarks, and if you are aware or have informed any of the people here who contributed to that end of the possibility that their IP's will in fact be traced by the proper authorttes?

I love the rhetoric from folks no where near the conflict!! How brave the mouths of the nitwits of the world...

July 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |

Myrrthfull

You said that already, stupid. Jews and Arabs were, BOTH Palestinians... Jews remaining on the land the Arabs tried to kick them out of isn't stealing. And there are consequences to arming/training/financing terror organizations, breaching the NPT, and calling for another country's destruction, cümspot.

There is no 'Palestine", only Israel. There are no more Philistines, Assyria destroyed them in 703 BCE, that's 2715 years ago you idiots. We Jews are the only natives, not the Arab invaders, the terrorists you SUPPORT you TRAITORS!

You are obviously jealous of the technology progress Pakistan has made in Missiles and the only country with Atomic warfare capabilities. Pakistan has advanced capabilities that you dont know. Sit quietly.

July 23, 2012 at 4:07 pm |

ThatGuy

And now I know you are a troll

Donkey carts with dynamite and a home-built 1990s computer running Windows NT doesn't qualify as new technology... Your nuclear weapons were made at the expense of your people and their total output is like a burrito fart compared to developed countries

July 23, 2012 at 4:11 pm |

gar

Pakistan provided much of its nuclear knowledge from the murderous North Korean regime. Your other pure brothers?

Why in the world did I ever think reading the comments on an article about Israel and Iran was a good idea? If you ever need to be reminded that there is no hope for human civilization, this is the place to come.

Myrrthful, excellent use of the f word. I like how you added it to dumb and that little piece of artistic genius on the u. Everyone listen to this poster, they have one of the brightest minds this world has ever seen.

July 23, 2012 at 4:10 pm |

Myrrthfull

All anyone has to do is read your posts and realize you're a racist shîtwit who can't even spell.

July 23, 2012 at 4:12 pm |

gar

Probably the same thing the Christian God and the Moslem God would say to their's....
Get real.

Their Koran and the Torah told Jews to force Arabs out and occupy their land...huh

July 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm |

gar

It is interesting to see how strong the Nazi propaganda revival is, especially noted in many of the comments posted on here. Cowardly Jew-haters love to spew their bile anonymously on the internet. It looks like freedom loving people will be fighting this scourge of humanity for many years to come.

I've read your comments and you sound like a typical anti-Semite. Did your parents teach you how to hate?

July 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm |

Myrrthfull

Do you have to be a Jew-hating asshoIe in every post?

July 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm |

Dan

Nope...Israel did 🙂

July 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm |

sam

dan aka mr irrelevant!! ooooooooooooo Dan!

July 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm |

gar

Then you must have less intelligence than the pimple on a monkey's butt...

July 23, 2012 at 4:01 pm |

Julian Assange

Dan is RIGHT...
Somehow the BARBARIANS evoke the Nazi magic world eveitime thay have to hide a crime against humanity!
Be warnedthat crimes against humanity HAVE CONSEQUENCES in case you still didi not understand the message!

They are the only people that have a word geared toward the specific hate of them. And they use it every chance they get. Pretty soon...its going to be the way to be.

July 23, 2012 at 4:00 pm |

Moose Lips

Try english.

July 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |

TruthMatters

I have no beef with Jews, religiously or racially. I support the idea of a nation for the Jews. I am grateful for the many inventions that they have created to make this world a better place. The issue is the imposition of this nation on a people who lived there before any Jew who currently lives there stepped foot on that land. The issue is the intent and polciy of deception, hypocricy, harrasment and violence that Israels government and alot (if not most) of its people have chosen to use to get what they want, starting right from the creation of Israel after WW2

Then you spend the rest of your post bashing them.
Yup, no agenda here.

July 23, 2012 at 4:18 pm |

TruthMatters

Do you have an agneda with Germans because they had the Nazi government. Do you have an agenda against the whites of South Africa because of the Apartheid government. Do you have an agenda Americans because you dont agree with some of our policies. Grow up. Criticizing someone isnt racist. At best youre very thin skinned, at worst youre a liar.

July 23, 2012 at 4:34 pm |

Julian Assange

Will the Israeli BARBARIANS ever learn that stealing land and walking into foreign land to assassinate scientists HAVE CONSEQUENCES?
Israel is only getting what they deserve!

Myrrthfull, are there consequences for dropping nuclear weapons ON CIVILIANS... TWICE???

July 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm |

Julian Assange

Israel STEALS land from the Palestinian ON A DAILY BASES, the BARBARIANS mostly deserve every bit of the punishment they get... But the account is not set... Israel will never see peace while the occupation persists!

July 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm |

Myrrthfull

Israel hasn't stolen anything, nor does it do so on a daily basis, dumbfück. And what do Hiroshima and Nagasaki have to do with anything, psycho?

July 23, 2012 at 3:57 pm |

ThatGuy

Assange... I assume you are referring to the U.S. there... Probably not the best idea to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasake, but its not like we could bomb Tokyo.. We had already flattened it. I mean leveling something that has already been leveled just doesn't really convey any sort of message.

July 23, 2012 at 4:08 pm |

Moose Lips

Here in New York city,
Some Saudi's came in, baught up a block of land.
Built houses and condos on them, and sold them or rented them.
All perfectly legal.
Its business, realestate, capitalism.

When a Jew does this in the west bank, Palestinians start screaming....Land stealers, occupiers !!
Even though its perfectly legal.
Because the Palestinians dont do this for thier own people,
they want to take it from Israel.
Dont believe the PLO Propaganda machine.
Its well funded.

July 23, 2012 at 4:24 pm |

JJ

What land have they stolen? You are so weak minded you fall for muslim propaganda lies and revisionist history...no one believes your lies.....

I beg you all. Please stop knocking each other, can't you see this is the root cause of trouble in the world?
I for one just pray for peace for all.
I am not a religious man, I just don't want to see anymore headlines of innocence getting killed in the name of WHAT????

Solution:
Disarm the barbarian nations of this world.
1- those that have used nuclear weapons on civilians
2- those that keep inventing reasons to invade and destroy nations for self interest
3- those that kill and mainm to steal land and resources

In other words:
Disarm America
Disarm Israel
Disarm half a dozen bankrup American lapdogs in europe

I think you mean disarm the muslim regimes and terrorists then there wil be peace....nice try though....

July 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm |

jethro

One day you may all wake up and realise the men at the top of whatever religion or country doesn't give a damn about the rest of his people just so long as is own backside is warm.
Wake up and stop fighting amongst yourselves, your playing right into their hands...

July 23, 2012 at 4:09 pm |

Fearless Freep

Then we can all go back to our caves.

July 23, 2012 at 4:26 pm |

non believer

Don't you idiots understand that it's your belief in these gods that create the hate, either jewish, christian, muslim, mickey mouse or the easter bunny. Read the books of these religions, the hate is clearly written in each. Humans are brutal, killing animals not in the image of any made up god. The hatred I read in this post bears this out.

July 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm |

Tristan Eugen

I will agree to defend and protect Israel with American lives and money if all of the Jews will agree to move there and let the rest of the world get on with it.

Only a Jew will say that...in fact this is what the Zionists have been doing for decades, sucking American tax payers money and putting American soldiers lives in the front line..in the mean time Israeli soldiers they go pick on poor Palestinians in the Gaza concentration camp

The U.S. gets a huge return on investment from Israel, JustARacistAss. And if the Palestinians don't like being blockaded in Gaza, they should stop firing rockets into Israel and amend their charter to no longer call for Israel's destruction.

July 23, 2012 at 3:42 pm |

WakeUpPlze

Whats the return Myrrthfull? Votes for the President? Votes for Congressmen and Women in Washington? I think the return on investment that we have gotten from Israel as a result of our politically charged lust for it is located at 1 Memorial Drive, Fort Myer, Virginia 22211. If you are so smart, you wont need Google to look up the address

July 23, 2012 at 3:49 pm |

Myrrthfull

I have a very, very long list, WakingUpStupid. Want me to post it?

July 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm |

JJ

When has America or any other country for that matter put soldiers on the front lines to fight for Israel?? NEVER!!!!, Israel has always and will always fight its own battles...even though the world benefits from their fight against terror.......nice try with your lies.....no one believes it so why do you bother...?

July 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm |

Chris McCoy

Myrrthfull the US receives no benefit from our alliance with Israel. We did at one time, but not since the defeat of Soviet Russia. Now we shed lives and billions of dollars propping up a Likud dictatorship that scares it's own people into voting for them by refusing to negotiate a peace and continuing to provoke Palestinians with illegal settlement construction. Netanyahu and Likud hold on to power by waging perpetual war. They can only afford to do so because the US props up their economy with defense spending and our continued UN vetoes to protect illegal actions. With the Arab world changing, it is time for Israel to make peace and embrace its neighbors. It is time for the US to stop bleeding for a nation that continues to re-elect bloodthirsty warmongers like Likud and Netanyahu. If Israelis choose the bloody path, let them walk it alone. The US has asked Israel to stop building settlements and negotiate for the last time. I hope we walk away soon.

July 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm |

Tristan Eugen

We receive benefits like being spied upon and having our secrets sold to the Chinese. And by having our Navy fired upon while on a peaceful observer mission. Or by having the Israeli government openly conspire to murder Americans and blame the Arabs. Or by having three thousand people killed with terrorist airstrikes that they knew full well was coming. Or by having a hotel in Israel blown up and a monument raised to it that every Israeli prime minister shows up at annually to brag. Who wouldn't want benefits like that?

July 23, 2012 at 4:08 pm |

Myrrthfull

Chris McCoy: "Myrrthfull the US receives no benefit from our alliance with Israel. "

Absolute nonsense. I keep trying to post the list I have, but the site won't let me.

Anyway, we receive intelligence, we receive security and military training, we receive technology exchanges on many levels. You don't know what you're talking about.

July 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm |

Chris McCoy

Actually I do know what I am talking about Myrrfull and the security and intelligence we received from Israel is not worth the price we pay. Half the time the intelligence we now receive is not accurate because Israel interts propaganda into it to better support their view of things. It is BUSH intelligence. As for security help, they do little. Again, where we give Israel billions a year AND risk our troops in the Middle East primarily for Israeli benefit, not a single Israeli soldier has ever laid down their life for an American cause. How convenient.

Even if that was all there was it might still be a sustainable relationship if it was not for the complete refusal by Israel to continue the settlement ban allowing it's biggest ally (the USA) to begin a peace process to end this conflict. That is the greatest betrayal of all. It speaks to real Israeli intention. They wish to use up all allies and all good will to delay a time when they must give back land. Their hope is to have land so settled there is no giving back. Israel is for Israel. They don't care about the billions the US spends each year to sustain the balance FOR them. They don't see any sacrifice unless it is an Israeli sacrifice. Why should ANY American care about a nation that so obviously has no regard or care for America?

If Israel wishes to forego peace negotiations and build settlements, let them do it sacrificing Israeli blood, not American blood.

July 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm |

DFW2012

I am an American that happens to be Jewish and have no intention of moving to Israel. I just regret that serving in Vietnam may in some way have saved your bigoted little as*s..

300 Million Americans and over a billion NON-MUSLIM Hinudu-Christian-Sikh-Jain-Buddhist Indians are solidly behind the valiant Jewish nation in safeguarding itself, its citizens, and Jewish people all over the world against Islamic terror.......

Not even the best of COVERT efforts by Mr.Fareed Zakaria can isolate Israel, even if he becomes the next US Sec.of State, as it is strongly rumored to be by insiders in the Obama admin.(if Obama were to win re-election).

I am one of the indian who does not support Israel.... plesae do your research first we indians are non-voilent so as we do not support the terrorist we also do not support the Israeli's racist policies towards the palestenians.
Peace....

If they pre-emptively attack places they THINK have chemical weapons and instead have none, and innocent civilians (who surely didn't know there may or may not be chemical weapons), then the leaders of Israel who allowed these innocent people to be murdered will need to face war crimes.

Didn't say they did...I said they are expecting others to. They are a bunch of cowards. Quit talking and do it...pu$$ies.

July 23, 2012 at 3:19 pm |

Myrrthfull

Sultan, you're a dope. The U.S. has ever fought in ANY of Israel's wars.

July 23, 2012 at 3:21 pm |

Myrrthfull

Israel doesn't expect others to fight its wars either, dumbfück. Its fought all of its own wars.

July 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm |

Dan

So if you don't expect others to, there is no real reason for the hesitation...other than the fact that you are the previously mentioned pu$$y....you pu$$y. Your country sucks.

July 23, 2012 at 3:24 pm |

Dan

The whole world came to your rescue from Hitler...why didnt YOU fight for the Germany you once loved, jew? Do you thank Hitler? If it werent for him, you wouldnt have an Israel.

July 23, 2012 at 3:25 pm |

Myrrthfull

There's plenty of reasons to hesitate STUPID.... for example, most of the world asking for more time to engage in diplomacy. The world didn't come to help the Jews either, racist asshoIe. It came to fight to save Europe... i.e. France and England.

July 23, 2012 at 3:31 pm |

Dan

Go back to Europe...Ashkenazi.

July 23, 2012 at 3:33 pm |

WakeUpPlze

Myrrthfull...sounds like a mouthful. Question is of what...probably that word you used (began with a D) to antagonize someone in your latest response.

So, the US has not gone to war for Israel? I guess beating up Iraq twice was not a war for Israel? For the "stability" of the region and Israel? The reason why the US continues to fight your wars is because collectively we know that if we let you fight your own war, finally...the end of the world would certainly come. Israel is just as unstable as the entire Middle East.

Wake the **** up. You seem to call everyone on here a "dope, dumbf***, etc". Shows your unwillingness to have an adult conversation. All emotion...no common sense. Go have some matzo and keep your "Myrrthfull" shut.

July 23, 2012 at 3:42 pm |

Dan

Yeah...what he said...

July 23, 2012 at 3:44 pm |

CaliBased

lol @ anyone who thinks isreal became the nation it is today by its self. look @ the weapons and armor they have. who do you think made those? who do you think gave those to them? AMERICA. isreal would not have made it this far if it wasnt for big brother. also look up the 6 day war and see how isreal attacked an American warship purposely to get America involved. this led to isreal further expanding its territory.

July 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm |

Myrrthfull

"So, the US has not gone to war for Israel? I guess beating up Iraq twice was not a war for Israel?"

No, dumbfück.

The first time was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait in 1991 after Saddam attacked and annexed Kuwait.

The second time was after 9/11 and Saddam wasn't complying with the 1991 ceasefire agreement.

I support Israel fully but everyone knows how Iran operates, and it was pretty obvious to pretty much everyone that when Israel started sending the Mossad in there to start bumping off nuclear scientists that this sort of thing was going to be the result of it. Does that mean it's at all justified or excusable for Iran/Hezbollah to blow up buses full of civilians? Of course not... but it was pretty clear this was gonna happen.

And if Israel DID do so, what choice did it have? Iran arms, trains and funds terror organizations which regularly attack Israel. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map. And Iran has been caught breaching the NPT for 20 years and refuses to come back into compliance. Iran did start it with Israel, after all.

Well said Myrr – ignorance at its best. What choice does it have? Really? You people are f****** unbelievable! Your just as loony as the guy that just killed 12 people in Colorado. This reminds me of a report that surfaced (but was quickly squashed because it would absolutely create anti-semitic critism) when President Obama was giving Prime Minister NANA-Yahoo a hard time and he didnt like it very much. So, a report surfaced that Obama should be assassinated. Boy, did that get silenced quickly...and Obama's hard core approach changed so abruptly. Too bad. The US was finally starting to look like a leader at that point.

July 23, 2012 at 3:23 pm |

Myrrthfull

WakeUpStupid, the people in that movie theater never armed people who attacked the shooter, they never called for the shooter's destruction, and they didn't breach international treaties in an attempt to develop nuclear weapons.

July 23, 2012 at 3:25 pm |

WakeUpPlze

So kill or be killed? Great policy there! Love it. Sounds like Hitler to me.

July 23, 2012 at 3:29 pm |

Myrrthfull

No one was threatening and attacking Hitler, dumbfück.

July 23, 2012 at 3:33 pm |

Sharon

I still dont believe Iran had anything to do with this particular incident, it actually has Mossad written all over it!

Sharon, you have idiocy written all over your face. Mossad has never killed its own people for publicity... unlike the Palestinians. Also, Iranians have been caught in several similar types of attacks over the last few months in Cyprus, Thailand, Kenya, Georgia and elsewhere.

July 23, 2012 at 3:17 pm |

WakeUpPlze

Myrrth – do you have proof that they didnt? Do you work for the Israeli government? You seem to be so very knowledgeable of what goes on at the top of the Israeli govt. So, are you going to tell me that the US government (C.I.A.) and the Russians (former K.G.B.) are the only governments that carry out "hits" on its own people to "fuel" a bigger goal? Unfortunately, I still believe parts of 9-11 in the US was a conspiracy. But, I wont go there.

July 23, 2012 at 3:27 pm |

Myrrthfull

Okay, cümstain, name an incident where Mossad attacked its own people for publicity. Good luck!

July 23, 2012 at 3:35 pm |

JJ

You are so stupid...Israel, unlike muslims, would never kill their own people....they would go to the ends of the world to save their own people.......stupid loser liar....go keep believeing muslim lies you weak minded fool....

July 23, 2012 at 4:01 pm |

Barry G.

Remember the Lex Talionis (“eye for eye, tooth for tooth) was not intended to be prescriptive, it was intended to prevent escalating violence.

The point was–if you cannot find it in your heart to forgive your neighbor, your brother, your sister–then, at least, make sure your response is commensurate with the offense, lest there be an escalation of violence—that is, if you cannot find it in your heart to forgive.

When Isreal was killing Iranian scientists in their own country, was Israel in an "open war" with Iran? Or is this just a one way street?
Who opened this can of worms? It's now a bad thing because it's negatively affecting Israel? Give me a break.

Is it possible that they are developing it because they want it as a deterrent from Israel having the bomb as well? Why is it that Israel can have Nukes, but the rest of the Middle East cant? Logic please? Please dont tell me you are the only State that is "responsible" to have them over there! Really?

July 23, 2012 at 3:13 pm |

amir

Evidence that it was Iran behind the attack?

July 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm |

Myrrthfull

WakeUpMoronic, Iran signed the NPT, promising not to develop nukes. Israel did not. That's why, imbecile.

July 23, 2012 at 3:19 pm |

JB

why does Israel have nuclear weapons? and how is that the NPT never even questioned Israel?

July 23, 2012 at 3:41 pm |

AngryJew

Explain why Israel consistently steals Palestinian land and invades its neighbors. Since its creation Israel has been behind terrorism and war and thievery.

July 23, 2012 at 3:44 pm |

Myrrthfull

AngryIgnoranus, explain why you don't realize that BOTH Jews and Arabs were, "Palestinians" until 1948, and that the Arab Palestinians launched an ethnic war against the Jewish Palestinians in 1920 (and that war continues today). Explain why the Arabs were terrorizing the Jews for 17 years before the Jews started fighting back. Explain why Jews managing to remain in the face of the attempt to ethnically cleanse them is, "stealing." If someone tries to kick you out of your house, and you manage to remain, you're the thief? Loser.

Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”

“I don’t know, ” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

The LORD said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth. ”

The questioning is rhetorical, which means one asks a question and does not expect an answer, for the answer is patently clear to everyone.

Not only is this a commonly used Hebrew literary (and verbal) practice, but it has been commonly used, at least, since the Classical Period of Ancient Greece.

This device is also used in Genesis, when God asks Adam and Eve where they are.

God knows where they are, the question is: Adam and Eve, do you realize what you have done to yourselves or “where you are”?

July 23, 2012 at 5:29 pm |

non believer

It appears to many of us that you are all with minor exceptions a mindless group of sub-morons with nothing more to do than spew hatred. I find this amusing, that you quote some god from some made up book. It's not in your genetic make up to love each other, and your god"s show no love in their actions. Ninety eight percent of our DNA is identical to Chimpanzee DNA, so maybe your gods are monkeys since we were made in their image, as per the bible. As a child I read comic books that made more sense than your holy books collectively. Your religions and your gods are the real problem.

Israel did assassinate Iranian scientists and officials, and accepted it. Any nation reserves its right to retaliate, and Iran may do it.
Now Israel fabricates this blast to stage the self-made retaliation.

Mehdi, why would they fabricate that attack? You are a complete fool blinded by some shape or form of fanaticism. Iran has a right to defend itself as much as Israel does. We are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Israel has the most nobel prize winners per capita in the world, one of the strongest countries in the world, one of the most advanced countries in the world with some of the most advances in medcal sciences etc.....in spite of all the muslims trying to attack her daily.....ya, they are really doing something wrong....NOT!!!!

And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.

Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.’”

Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD:

I do recall that Lamech made an outrageous threat of violence and vengeance ("seven times"), and Lamech's vilolence stands in Genesis as a cautionary tale.

July 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm |

tigrr

If the trip from Egypt to Gaza is only about 3 hours in an SUV, why did it take 40 years of wandering to get there? Likely Jehovah was a sick-o ET and jerking Moses' chain, and hated human beings because they loved this ETs sister (see Sumerian texts). Little wonder they were so po-ed and slughterd the Palistineans and took over their country. They have a lot to be held accontable for. Israeli people MUST dump their alleged war-drumming Leaders befoe its too late. And USA should stay totally out of this pre-planned criseis.

"palestinians" were only named that after 1967 by the aids riddled arafat........not 5000 years ago......maybe you should learn some history before coming here and embarrassing yourself with your unedcuated lies.....pathetic....

Israel alreday lives with a million Palestinians within it's borders who live pretty well. The West Bank has flourished lately with Ramallah booming ecomnomically. Gaza with a massive border with Egypt should be doing better. Egypt can do more, the Islamists should open their border. Since there are millions of Israelis and Arabs already in place they must coexist or this perpetual war (which is basically the entire Middle East) will never end....

Israel Lies Like A Bush. Maybe they did the bombing to incite people, just as Bush/Cheney/ Rove/ Rumfield's 9/11.
Veterans Today, a year ago, reported how Israel wants a war with Iran and to drag US into it. The Israeli people need to stand up against their mad leaders and Kissingers group and settle these self-created crises. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if Israels just nuke themselves and Jerusaledm and then there would be little for them to blame others and fight over.

But by that same logic the israel firsters are blaming Iran for the assassination of their own scientists?? If anyone here is cuckoo it's you and your ilk.

July 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm |

Myrrthfull

AstutelyStupid, you must have straw in your head to come up with so much straw in an argument. No one's saying Iran killed its own scientists... unless it did so because they were cooperating with the IAEA.

i be laughing when the 1mt nuclear warhead is heading its way to dublin, london, sydney and new york one should also hit new zealand lets the filth be burned from the surface the earth. i mean ireland britain and australia are whoorehouses anyway they are run like whoorehouses every british irish and australian women is a whoore i mean when u live in the filth you dont nothis it. and another great news 3 moore usa soldiers got blown up by mighty taliban high warriors cutting through the usa filth by molten copper ied.

Well this coming from a Irish guy that sister is posted on half the internet.

July 23, 2012 at 3:28 pm |

rem

I'm sorry you must have me confused with someone else. I have no sister...and I'm pretty sure it's your mother all over the internet...please ask her to shave...it's an affront to the very delicacy of my nature.

July 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |

saeed

welll your irish mother is a part of the adult industry that means she does everything she is told a dog a elephant an entire fire crew they just gives here a scipt and she does everything she is posted on every adult site on the internet.

July 24, 2012 at 10:22 am |

trap84

Yep, and you are sitting at an internet cafe, having nothing better to do but talk smack

Your ignorance is as amusing as it is disgusting. Loss of life of those who defend the oppressed is a sad matter, if you believe the Taliban are so mighty and high, why don't you go join them so that you may die a cowards death like they all do? If you believe in killing innocent civilians to be something to be admired, you don't deserve to tarnish this world with your presence. It's bad enough as it is with the rest of the idiots that share your ideology.

It declrared itself after occupying Palestenian land illegally in 1950s.

July 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm |

Roscoe Chait

As I recall, the UN gave Israel to the Jews... because they had already been there for thousands of years.

July 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm |

asdf

HAHAHA that's a pretty artful interpretation of history. The way most people remember it was that everybody left over in Eastern Europe was shipped there while it was still a British Colony, and then the Brits let them have it and they were later recognized after quelling the local population.

July 23, 2012 at 2:53 pm |

Myrrthfull

asdf, you're full of it. The British RESTRICTED Jewish immigration but didn't restrict Arab immigration.

July 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm |

JJ

HAHAHA, whaty "palestinian" land? There never was any.....dummy

July 23, 2012 at 4:11 pm |

Myrrthfull

Jews and Arabs were BOTH Palestinians. Israel declared itself in the parts where there was a Jewish majority... LEGALLY.

That is indeed strange. After all, Jesus was a Jew, as were the twelve apostles and every other author of the New Testament (New Covenant).

Besides it was Isreal that taught us to await a messiah. Why would it surprise them that he came, as their prophets promised?

And what a shame. It's the conclusion and culmination of the previous books and centuries.

July 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm |

trap84

Israel has the right of self defense, and it has the right to protect its citizens abroad. You are a citizen of some country. So, if you do not side with Israel on this one, are you saying that it is totally fine for you to get blown up while vacationing? (See, it does not matter what the causes are; you are going to want some sort of government assurance in regard to your personal safety). Israel should not have made public comments in regard to Iran: this is what government networks are for. Regular people like me and you cannot verify whatever intelligence they do or do not have in their possession.

Umm, actually, it appears that you've got it wrong. You must mean that Arab=Terrorism. Just do a quick review of the headlines. You'll soon see that you've gotten your facts wrong, again. Your hatred towards this religion continues to cloud your eyes.

Kind of you get what you give, or what goes around comes around. Israel has nuclear weapons, and is apparently above any oversight in that regard. Israel is strongly suspected of being behind the assination of civilian scientists in Iran, similarly of being at least associated with if not behind the stuxnet virus ( the US stated that the use of cyber attacks against US interests would be interpreted as an act of war ). So – yes Israel is at war with Iran in part because they have been conducting one. As for Syria, a number of countries are supporting the rebels with funding, material and intelligence – probably Israel is one as perhaps they thought there was advantage to be gained. With the nature of what is going on now that does not seem assured. Indeed, seemingly the destabilization brought on by this is starting to manifest in Iraq along similar sectarian lines. The law of unintended consequences of barely thought through actions.

According to US intelligence and agency there is absolutely no evidence of weaponry program in Iran

July 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm |

rick

WHAT nuclear "weapons" programs?

July 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm |

rick

Well, am I ever glad to hear that civillians such as Robert Oppenheimer, Klaus Fuchs, Enico Fermi, Edward Teller, Nils Bohr, Leo Szilard – and many others, had nothing whatsoever to do with the Manhattan Project.

July 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm |

Myrrthfull

"According to US intelligence and agency there is absolutely no evidence of weaponry program in Iran"

According to reality, you're a liar. Read the November 2011 IAEA report.

To me it is like watching a bunch of children fight over some toys. Chiild 1) Its mine! Child 2) No mommie said I could have it before anyone!. Child 3) No its mine dam it! Then one child hits another, one child breaks another childs toys, they blame others, they have their friends destroy toys so they dont get in trouble or because they are afraid to do it themselves and on and on and on it goes. People on the sidelines see what they want to see and call out "fair fight" or "sucker punch!!!" but it still goes on...

How does one solve such a problem with all these children calling each other names and lying and demanding and threatining and of course murdering each other? They obviously all carry this over from generation to generation breeding hatred... And who is better?

What if we in the U.S. were to have Mexico come after us for ever claiming we stole their lands, etc... ( We did). How would we as Americans react if we switched shoes?

It is a mess, these countries alone can not fix it obviously. No one side will stop or give in or change any more. So with a stalemate the game should be over but this is not the case.

All I can think of is for both sides to stop the madness and try being kind to one another as a start... Just a start.

July 23, 2012 at 4:23 pm |

Avi Shlomo

and Israel is poor innocent. Enough lies Peres and the whole world is sick of a pack of colonialist zionist play the victim. My family left Palestine because we refused to bare false witness to your attrocities

You're right in one sense, that Israel will never stop defending herself against the non-stop onslaught that has been waged since the creation 64 years ago. People like you can go to your grave knowing Israel will be there long after your carcass is toast.

This is ridiculous. Israel is like an episode of deperate housewives. Always complaining, boo-hoo, making threats....they never actually do anything. They just make a big fuss, kill a few hundred people for no reason, and then withdraw.

If they want war so bad, start it, finish it, and stop looking to the US to do your bidding.

I think it's more like watching Italian soccer, where the players (Israel) go down because of a stiff breeze and then throw their hands up, looking to the ref (the US) to make a call against the other team.

These Zionists are such liars. I am afraid they are going to kill many many Americans or British to justify this war against Iran. They will go to any extent to have the British and Americans attacking Iran. Attacking Iran will help the Israelis in two ways. They will again have control over the Arabs and America will become so weak that the jews will take over the country.

its very difficult for a person with logic to discriminate between a high school student/tourist and a nuclear scientist constructing the means to kill you. Logic just doesn't seem to be an apt name for this poster

Logic is something you clearly lack rick. It has NEVER been established that those scientists are working on a weapon. Does Iran have the right to kill Israeli scientists who work on Israel's nukes and weapons?

July 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm |

Myrrthfull

Complete lack of logic. Scientists working on a covert nuclear weapons program are not civilians, they are military. The athletes at the Olympics were civilians.

A scientist working on a Military project is still a civilian. I work for a department of defense company in the U.S. am I a military target? Don't give me any of that "depends what your job is" crap either because then it goes back to blaming nukes on Einstien and Fermi. The science is their already they know it works they are not creating anything new. They are workers for the state and that is it. They were killed in while in their normal life routine. This is called assasination their is no other way to look at it. It cannot be assasination when they do it but defense when we do it. This is what Israel is trying to say. Sharon is a liar like most politicians, Israel in general is a country with a chip on it's shoulder from the past. They will never forget about the latest persecutions their people have gone through and their have been plenty throughout history. Many times from the Christians during the crusades, insquistion, various local scapegoating and the protestant refromation just to name a few. May be if Jews didnt think they were "gods chosen people" they wouldn't get this kind of attention? Im not sure but no innocents deserve to die on either side.

Israeli's were blowing up markets with civilians LONG before WWII; long before the Hazbollah..... At that time however, it wan't Israel – it was called British Mandate Palestine – The were bombing Brtis too –

Of course it wasn't Israel directly (didn't exist) – it was the Irgun – the early for of the Likud Party – Netanyahu's party....

Israel is as much responsible for the violence and unrest as the various other factions and governments in the area – Ironically there are many Israeli's (included elected members) that KNOW this and say it daily –

The info we get here is only from the mouths of Netanyahu, Peres and those that thought Sharon was a great man (Sharon – who commited the massacare in Sabra and Shatila – killing MANY more people than some Serbian commanders that have been jailed for life – in some cases 3,000 more....)

I am not anti-PEOPLE of Israel – but until their government acts responsibly also.... there will be no peace – BOTH sides have commited terrorist acts; horrific acts – BOTH sides use 'god' as the excuse...

Many things you say here are correct historically, however can they be applied to the Likud party directly today is more serious of a question. The bottom line, here is the U.S. and the U.N. created Isreal knowing full well the history of the Israeli's from the period you speak of. The only part you left out is that Palestinians and Israeli's were holding hands while they targeted British personnel and objectives. The U.S. is responsible for Israel so evidently Israel can do nothing wrong so they get away literally with execution without a trial. If they think you are guilty the Mussad will get you once given the command.

That's moronic. The Palestinian Arabs launched an ethnic, terror civil war against the Palestinian Jews in 1920. The British even prevented the Jews from defending themselves. Finally, in 1937, the Jews started fighting back. SOME of them used terrorism. They only used terrorism until 1948. Israel was formed and terrorism was outlawed.

Sharon didn't commit Sabra and Shatilla, dunce. The Christian Phalangists did that, because they were sick of being murdered by Palestinian terrorists from those villages. After the Palestinian terrorists murdered the Christian political leader, the Christians had enough.

Equating terrorists with a country which defends itself against terrorism is you being ludicrous.

another coo coo" who says there is no difference TODAY between an extremist group existing 80 years ago and fighting british soldiers and an extremist group today sending rockets into civilian areas, blowing up school buses and murdering children. right. keep singing the palestinian mantra "woe is me, woe is me, everyone but us is the cause of our misery" and instead of opting for a 2 state solution, choosing "martyrdom" and murder.

The Likud party acts irresponsibly, period. They are continually looking for a reason to use their new (American) toys. Now they arebothered not only by Iran, but Syria. Next it will be Libya. If they can't live in peace with their neighbors then they should not exist. God isn't leading them in this mess. (I've been reading Deuterotomy.) The world is tired or your incessant griping.

when has israel invaded another country that wasnt harboring folks that were launching missiles at them or had attacked them first? they have performed pre-emptive strikes against specific installations but they werent attempting to take territory (iraq 1986 specifically as an example)?

a whole bunch of slinging words around, such as zionist. im not exactly sure what a zionist is. is this someone that is in defense of israel? are these "zionists" invading anyone?

How about when it annexed the Golan Heights? How about when they steam roll over settlements of Christian Palestinians? The reason there is so much hatred for Israel is because they have the ignorance to believe they are always right, and the world is always wrong. The reason the US continues to protect Israel is because we have more Jewish lawmakers in the States, as well as in the Media and Law arena, that nothing will be done to silence the state of Israel from pushing people in the Middle East around. There is NOTHING anti-semetic about this statement. It is truth and in no way states that the people of Israel should be harmed by other nations who are sick and perverted. But, how about backing off the rhetoric of "invading" every country in the Middle East? The truth is...if you did it alone, in today's day and age (unlike the 60's), the World would go to war...and you think innocent Israelis is all that is at stake here? Millions of people would be in harms way...all because the F.E.A.R. (False Evidence Appearing Real) that Iran will nuke Israel, or Syria will fire chemical weapons at you. Its a good thing Kennedy didnt just fire missles at Cuba in the 60's...or it would already be over. They were just as much a threat to us, as it is for Israel. Stop being ignorant, and the "anti-Jew" rhetoric will cease.

July 23, 2012 at 2:32 pm |

southernquilts

They are always threatening other countries and yelling foul. They think they are superior to everyone else. They're not.

Everyone is anti-something. Live your life in peace and let people voice their oopinions. Their just opinions.

umm Israel is occupying the Golan Heights and the West Bank and is annexing huge parts of territory in the West Bank by building settlements for thoursands upon thousands of Jews in occupied territory. Is Iran invading anyone?

July 23, 2012 at 2:44 pm |

Fearless Freep

*** How about when it annexed the Golan Heights?

Ever seen the Golan Heights ?
Nice little hill looking down on Israeli villages
that the Syrians used to sit o top of that hill
and launch rockets and shoot at Israeli
citizens.

I wouldnt give it back either.

July 23, 2012 at 4:33 pm |

astutemind

A whole bunch of anti-gentile statements here. far beyond just disagreeing with salient arguments based on policies, and this is done almost everytime an objective gentile makes an objective statement of fact that's not in line with the Israel First agenda.

July 23, 2012 at 5:20 pm |

mv

Absolutely not. Israelis are good and honorable people, the Palestinians are evil doers and cannot be trusted.

sarcasm becomes truth when it is true. nice try but you were right the first time you opened up your big racist mouth.

July 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm |

Dave

it's not sarcastic at all. It's the truth. They have a culture of Jew-hatred couched behind the more "palatable" term of Anti-Zionist.
The Arabs and Iran control 99.5% of the entire land mass yet Israel is the problem? The double standard of what's acceptable is astounding. Israel kills 9 Turks in a confrontation and there's worldwide protest. Going on 20,000 dead Syrians, including women and babies, and the lack of protest is night and day.
You guys don't give a rat's ass about Palestinians anymore than their evil leaders do. you just can't handle a Jewish nation answering the violence from her Muslim neighbors, let along existing for 60 + years. Too bad.

July 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm |

WakeUpPlze

Sorry Rick...he was right the first time. It is interesting that a few years back when it was confirmed that Israel used White Phosphorous in the Gaza Strip...a War Crime Internationally. That was ok to use, correct? Honorable people? Women and Children, dead in the hundreds to thousands? Is it right for the militants to be shooting rockets at Israel? Absolutely not. No way. But, you can not continue to think the brutality of the Israeli government is not deemed wrong either. If you do, you are just plain ignorant. You dont want Israeli's killed? Then dont travel to different countries. It is no different than if US Citizens traveled to Mexico right now and were beheaded by a Mexican Cartel. Would the US be so stupid as to threaten an all out war because the citizens of the US took a volatile place on the earth and went? We are free to go as we wish...however...outside of the United States borders, the US government can only do so much...and quite honestly, that is the way it should be.

July 23, 2012 at 2:42 pm |

Myrrthfull

WakeUpMoronically, white phosphorous is not illegal to use. It's used for illumination and smokescreen purposes.

The way Hamas launched rockets into Israel was illegal. The way Hamas built military infrastructure into civilian areas was illegal. The way Hamas will not differentiate itself from non-combatants is illegal.

July 23, 2012 at 2:57 pm |

Fearless Freep

*** evil doers ....

Please dont use that phrase.
It reminds me of Liitle Georgie Bush and i get sick to my tummy.

July 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm |

Myrrthfull

Israel didn't sign the NPT and get caught being in breach of it for 20 years. Iran did.

What does not signing the NPT have to do with anything? So a nation that doesn't sign the NPT and builds nukes is not considered a threat by nations around it? There's that special Israeli logic again...

July 23, 2012 at 2:47 pm |

Myrrthfull

Signing the NPT means you agree not to develop nukes in exchange for enjoying the benefits of the NPT, stupid.

You think the person who signs a contract and breaks it is on par with the person who doesn't sign the contract at all? Anti-Israelis are just plain stupid.

July 23, 2012 at 2:53 pm |

Gregory

Myrthfull...a nuke is a nuke. It doesn't matter whether a nation signs the NPT. A nation with a nuke is a threat to the nations around it. Nice try at deception but you fail miserably. Pick another fight.

July 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm |

Myrrthfull

Gregory, a treaty is a treaty and if your country signs that treaty, you're obligated to abide by it.

July 23, 2012 at 2:57 pm |

Logic

Myrth...so the benefit of having signed the NPT is for your scientists to be killed but if you don't sign the NPT your scientists can't be killed? Is your graduate certificate written in crayon?

July 23, 2012 at 3:00 pm |

Myrrthfull

Illogic, the benefit of signing the NPT is the ability to engage in trading peaceful nuclear technologies. If you weren't stupid, you will have gathered that Iran has been caught breaching the NPT for 20 years and was subsequently sanctioned.

July 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm |

Fearless Freep

Logic

What does not signing the NPT have to do with anything? So a nation that doesn't sign the NPT and builds nukes is not considered a threat by nations around it? There's that special Israeli logic again...
----------------------------------------------------

The only nation that seems to have a problem with Israeli nukes is Iran.
Gee, i wonder why.
Maybe because they have threatened Israel ?
Israel has had nukes since about 1967/68, yet she has been
attacked over and over, and never used them.

Another thing you idiots dont get.
Gaza/West bank are territories, not nation states.
Because they are territories and Israel is a nation
they are afforded some special protections.

If thy got "statehood" and launched rockets into Isreal
Israel could then declare "legal" war and remove the pimple.
PLO dont want statehood, they want war with Israel
with UN protection.

July 23, 2012 at 4:48 pm |

rick

iran threatens to wipe uut israel and israel has been attacked by its neighbors in 1948, 1967, and 1973 and faces daily rocket attacks and Israel is "antagonistic'?? dont the convenience stores, tents or islamic centers have TVs or newspapers? how about in dearborn if not in gaza?

Another incessant gripe. We know the history. You forgot to mention that Israel is always fighting Palistine. Personally, I don't care. You get what ;you give. Get some respectable people in government and people might listen.

July 23, 2012 at 2:35 pm |

Bauer

rick you forgot to mention why all those wars are post 1940s. Because European Jews escaping persecution in Europe forced themselves on the inhabitants of what is now called Israel and declared a state. And continue to prevent millions of Palestinians who fled their homes from returning to their homeland. A Palestinian Arab is not Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian. They are from what is now called Israel. Jews stole their land and continues to have a policy of driving them out and taking more and more of their land.

July 23, 2012 at 2:54 pm |

Myrrthfull

Bauer, you lowlife Jew-hater, the Arab Palestinians were already massacring the Jewish Palestinians beginning in 1920, well before WWII even started.... well before Hitler was even elected.

July 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm |

Logic

Myrrthfull...Jews from Europe and the rest of the world were coming to the land you now call Israel in the late 1800s and early 1900s at the behest of the British who were occupying the inhabitants (Arabs) of what you now call Israel. Ofcourse the inhabitants are going to be upset. They wanted their land back, they wanted freedom of British occupation. They shouldn't have attacked civilians but Jews shouldn't have been imposing themselves on a people to later declare a nation ontop of. Just recently Jews were unhappy that a few Africans are in Israel, imagine a policy of ethnic dilution by an occupying force, Israelis would loooove that. You keep running around in circles to avoid the simple fact that there was no Israel, the land was majority inhabitated by Arabs (Christian and Muslim), and Jews with the blessing of British occupiers stole the land. You're real arguement is Jews were given that land by God so just come out and say it. Ofcourse you know that wouldn't fly in this world so you lie your way around the events. Eventually more and more people will learn the truth just like I learned the truth not so long ago.

July 23, 2012 at 3:11 pm |

Fearless Freep

**** And continue to prevent millions of Palestinians who fled their homes from returning to their homeland.

The Arab army generals told the Arabs to get out of the way, so they could go in
and eliminate the Jews.
The problem ?
The Jews won the war.
You left so your army could kill us.
You think i am going to let you come back ?
Spoils of war, you little twits.....get over it.

July 23, 2012 at 4:53 pm |

Myrrthfull

How about this wake-up character spewing poorly written fiction?

Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked Israel in 1967 and lost the Golan Heights. Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked Israel in 1948 and captured the Golan Heights in the first place.

Maybe Israel isn't steamrolling over Christians at all. Maybe the Palestinians are... The Christian population in the West Bank dropped dramatically in areas the PA took over. The Christians in Gaza are currently being systematically abused... by Hamas.

Your statement is very much anti-Semitic. The U.S. sides with Israel because the American public itself sides with Israel by a wide margin. Attempting to blame "Jewish politicians," is very clearly you being an anti-Semite. Why don't you want to own up to your own anti-Semitism? It's right in front of our faces. Are we supposed to ignore it?

Jews and Arabs were BOTH Palestinians. The Golan Heights belonged to Palestine, but Syria captured it in 1948. Egypt captured Gaza in 1948. Jordan captured the West Bank and E. Jerusalem in 1948. All those areas were wiped completely clean of every single Jew. Then the Arab countries chose to declare another war in 1967 and lost. OOPS! Jews moved back in. And you pretend that the Jews are the unethical ones for "occupying territory" that was only cleansed of Jews for 19 years? Loser.

I am pleased with that as well, but unfortunately less of a boot-licker is still a boot-licker.

Also, I bear no ill will to the people of Israel or Jewish people, but the Israeli government is completely off its rocker and a danger to stability in the region.

July 23, 2012 at 2:21 pm |

asdf

Agreed. Even a sizable portion of Israeli Jews want to split up the state permanently, they are just completely unrepresented in their government, which skews much more to the conservative side than the population as a whole.

July 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm |

Jackson

"Asked whether the Bulgaria bombing and the other attempted attacks were revenge for the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, which Iran blames on Israel, Peres said that Israel has never claimed responsibility for the killings. But he noted that Israel has a right to prevent killing of its citizens." Only a jew could follow this logic.

The GOP solution: Start a war with Iran (totally unfunded of course). Then get the poor people to fight/die in the war while giving the rich people "no bid contracts". Thus killing two GOP birds with one stone. Then use Iran's oil to pay for the war. And when the war is over, Iran will sell us cheap oil!!!!! Just like Iraq!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!!

Israel thinks its ok to kill civilians in Iran (scientists) and calls it self defence but Iran attacking civilians (if it was them) is terrorism? We all know a hypocritical person and Israel is a hypocritical nation.

There you go making up facts again Glenn (Beck). There has been no proof that they are working on a weapons program. Stating such in a definitive way is erroneous. It's called perjury if you do it in a court for a reason, its wrong and misleading.

July 23, 2012 at 2:21 pm |

Myrrthfull

The IAEA proved they had a weapons program operating for 20 years in breach of the NPT. Why do you think sanctions are currently in place?

@Myrrthfull – um, lets see...the same way Israel's intelligence that Saddam Hussein has WMD's too...and we went to war...and killed thousands of US Soldiers (at Israel's expense) and found how many WMD again? How many? Let me get a calculator...0! None! So, let's ask the question again. What proof do we have of the Iranian's having the bomb again? F.E.A.R (False Evidence Appearing Real). That is what this dog and pony show is. Network Television shows how pretty friggen "thorough" the Mossad special forces are. If they are soooo good...why not do what US Special Forces have done, and infiltrate and assassinate those shooting rockets at Israel. Quietly and with limited bloodshed. At least then the Mossad is in harm's way, not the US Military!

July 23, 2012 at 2:53 pm |

astutemind

That's the typical Israeli argument : My crime is morally superior to your crime...'cuz I say so. I had a discussion with another Israel Firster on another board who actually was questioning whether or not killing the scientists was even a crime if it saved thousands of lives. She actually was disputing that murdering someone in their own country working in a legitimate field and doing the same exact thing that scores of other scientists in their respective countries, was a crime, because as she claimed it saved thousands of lives. She never proved it saved thousands of lives.

The Israel Firsters like to use "justification via imagination". If they can imagine up something they feel it is justification for any crime they want to commit. And then they come on here using that absurdity to argue their points.

It's a fact the entire world knows the ill intensions coming from Israel. Israel wants to attack Iran with the help from U.S. and then profit on it. Israel has double standards. When a civilian scientist is killed it is ignored by the media as a simple control effort. Iran did not admit the bombing in Bulgaria, so why accuse Iran? The only people that support Israel are the ones that gullibly follow media run by jews. That is a fact as well. The unbiased media presents the situation about Palestinians and the world knows about the unfair and cruel overtaking of their land. Enough!

No name calling. These are opinions. I do believe the Likud Party is being led by war mongers and they need to be kept in check. Israel needs respectable lawmakers theat understand the big picture. Israel cannot count on these United States to help them out. We don't approve of what you're doing.

July 23, 2012 at 2:44 pm |

Myrrthfull

The entire world knows it's IRAN with the ill intentions, and that's why Iran is sanctioned by the entire world.

Iran was caught breaching the NPT for 20 years.

Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and refuses to be transparent about its nuclear program.

Iran has armed, trained, and funded Hamas and Hezbollah in their attacks against Israel.

Just like the entire world THOUGHT Saddam has WMD. None found. Just like we thought that OJ Simpson killed his wife. Not proven, despite what we think. You can ASSUME anything you want...but, until there is conclusive proof, and there is unreasonable doubt...you can't threaten war against anyone. Where do you think the Israeli War Mongers will be when the rockets start flying, carrying nuclear warheads (if Iran has it)? They will be hundreds of feet below ground in a bunker, while the rest of the Israeli's will be fending for themselves above ground. We all know if there is a nuclear exchange...NO ONE WINS, period.

Maybe we should blame Iran for the Colorado shooting that took place at the premier of the new Batman movie. That is terrorism and Iran MUST be behind that because we are allies of Israel! To war I say!

July 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm |

rick

what is a fact is that you make up your "facts" as you go along, to fit your bigotry and muslim sympathies. but the rest of us without sympathy for shoe bombers, underwear bombers, well poisoners, acid throwers, bus bombers, athlete killers and child murderers can see through your whiny, tired rhetoric.

Wow. so Jews escaping Nazis expected (rightfully so) to be allowed to enter into other nations but Syrians escaping their government will be prevented into Israel? Israel seems to have a policy of being hypocritical.

Vin- You didn't read the article either, then? You saw Truth's baloney and thought So true, so true...........Liberal to a Tee – don't think –follow!

July 23, 2012 at 2:13 pm |

PaxHominibus

There is NO mention that the Syrians wanting to go to Israel are JEWS?
You are typical of the "Great Unwashed" liberals, or, the American victims of your failed education system, who want to make a point -–have no facts---so lie their stupid faces off!

Pax when did I say anything about Syrian Jews? Don't skip your meds...neanderthal. Where is your fact that I'm a Liberal you neanderthal. Who's making up facts? I've been a conservative all my life.

July 23, 2012 at 2:27 pm |

rick

cant see the difference eh? take off your muslim glasses and maybe you will understand that wholesale entry of a population sworn to destroy your country might not be a good thing but before you take the glasses off , watch the video and read the article.

Yea a bunch of women and children fleeing the Syrian government are going to destroy Israel. Besides didn't you know?! Syrians aren't victims or even human beings, only Jews who live in the 21st century and more than 60 years after the Holocaust happened, and who enjoy having the superior military force in the Region, and the backing of the world's greatest superpower, can ever be labeled as victims and in need of compassion.

Certainly econcomic and social interest will come in to play. Currently our navy is in the strait, most conflicting regimes around the area is in a econmic and political slump. Our presence in middleeastern countries are assisting those that were capable of negotiating and treating others as terrorist. Gas prices are rising, our jobs are overseas, and other countries are building a strong economic and military presence. Is it our responsibility to remain the world superpower? In the coming months the biggest question would be the involvement of Russia, and China? And will the middle eastern countries join together and treat a politiical, and economic threat as a Religious one.

Knowlege – News Flash! – America is unfortunately – and I mean this sincerely – no longer THE world superpower. Russia and China now call the shots. That happened when you elected a weak leader.

Consider the way Putin looked and treated Obama [on TV] recently; and consider the public Chinese SCOLDINGS of American policies? America is dependent on Chinese loans and with $120 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities – can't repay those loans any time soon.

Amazingly, 2 weeks ago Obama doubled down on his failed policy of borrowing from China to grow government SPENDING instead of growing the Private sector and creating JOBS? More crushing debt to add to the already crushing debt!

The woe is me matra is because for 60 yrs they have been getting screwed for what the germans did to the jews...maybe if they hadn't stole land and massacred people by the troves they wouldn't be victims...instead of Israel playing the victim role for what another group of people did to them...In other word they need to grow up and accept responsibility for their actions instead of blaming others for reacting to theirSS!!!!

July 23, 2012 at 2:05 pm |

asdf

Israel has "enough" hard evidence --> Translation --> Israel says so.

July 23, 2012 at 2:07 pm |

asdf

You'd probably be saying "woe is me" if another ethnic group entered your town, kicked you out of your house, and told you that you weren't a citizen.

July 23, 2012 at 2:08 pm |

rick

Ladies and gentlemen..............FRANK! – the closet Nazi.

July 23, 2012 at 2:12 pm |

southernquilts

The world is darn sick and tired of Israel's incessant griping about every single country in the mid-east. It's not three thousand years ago, so quit yelling antisemitic!!!! You're ot special and you're not superior. We, in the rest of the world, have a life to live. NO ONE cares, get it?

July 23, 2012 at 2:53 pm |

c

Lets see proof, not propaganda. We DO NOT NEED WORLD WAR 3 BASED ON LIES JUST BECAUSE ISRAEL WANTS TO CONTINUE TO BE THE ONLY NATION WITH NUCLEAR POWER IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

It's not the Bay of Tonkin. It's Israel wanting to start a third world war. The rest of the world is not going to play your game. If Iran lets you have it, you will have deserved it. You need to quit picking on your fellow neighbors. Quit blaming them for your problems. Live in harmony and let the Jewish Syrians into Israel. They share your faith.

July 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm |

william

"Peres said although no Syrians have tried to enter the country, Israel would not help any refugees who want to cross the border"

-The U.S. would be better off if we just nuked Israel and called it a day.

same if someone did the same to you...physcology says people who resort to comments to yalk trash like you all do constantly are seeking attention...No one pays attention to you guys.....everyone on comment boards are all complening cuz thats where you type of people resort...normal real people are in the real world giving their opinions,. not on cnn on every article...loser haven

YES YES, nuke Isreal. We Americans have had enough of BS in the middle east because of it. America has already made enough enemies in the Middle East because of Isreal. We need to stop it Right Now.

July 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm |

frank

you apparently didnt view the video or read the entire article. he said israel would consider allowing refugees if they apply for refugee status. as syria and its people have been at war with israel for past 75 years, what would you expect them to do?

Agreed, he why our world is so diluted and screwed up. People like him live in denial and point the finger at others when they should take a long look in the mirror.

July 23, 2012 at 1:40 pm |

*sigh*

Nothing like an ad-hominem attack to make ones "point". Oh, and you do know that Iran is nowhere near capable of producing nuclear weapons, right?

Apparently not.

July 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm |

asdf

Only one of those countries has a nuke, and its not Iran.

July 23, 2012 at 2:03 pm |

Bauer

Israel has nukes so can Iran kill Israeli scientists who worked on the nukes and continue to work on the nukes, given the fact that Israel is antagonistic and a threat to Iran and everyone else around it?

July 23, 2012 at 2:08 pm |

Now whY Cee Everything

What Bombs. Iran hasn't created any WMD's. They are enriching Uranium to reactor grade status, nothing more. All of you war mongers who suggest otherwise are liars.

July 23, 2012 at 2:08 pm |

JCDavis

The way the Western equation works, Muslim life is worth zero, so it would take an infinite number of lives to balance it.

iran threatens to remove israel from the pages of history and you equate blowing up israeli tourists comprised mostly of high school children with "innocent" nuclear scientists constructing the means to eradicate them!! are you simply naive or actually stupid?

The only Country threatening someone else's existance in Isreal. They are the aggressors. They are trhe ones threatening force against it's neighbors. The quote from Iran that they want to "Wipe" Israel off of the map is a mis translation by the West. Iran has challenged Isreal legitamicy as a nation in the Middle East as reparation to the Jews for what the Nazi's has done. Since the nazi threat is gone, Jews should return home to their countries of origin.

If Israel has the hard evidence of Iran behind the Bulgarian violence; take it to the US Security council. Ask the Security council to ake a vote to further sanction Iran and ask china and Russia to vote with the US. If the Security Council fails to vote becasue of vetoes, then Israel should hold a vote in its government authroizing a formal declaration of war – and if this passes, Israel should announce it to Iran; come out of the shadows, and then do what it should havre done before - bomb the nuclear facilities.... But all of this back and forth chatter does absolutely NOTHING

The one problem with that is Israel's excess nuclear weapons. One Israel is destroyed it will use them and it might very well use them against the West. Look up the "Samson Option," and you'll see why the US placed an anti-missile defense in the Mediterranean.

I agree. Let's stock up on oil and let them have at it. Who cares? If Israel thinks they are in "open war", then let them go ahead and have one. But no more MONEY from the US. They have FAR outlived their usefulness as an "ally" in the region.

Is that right, you have that established in fact? Or, is the "Fantasy" part of your Moniker showing through. It is incredibly difficult to perceive any credance in your post when you are challenged simply spelling the word Terrorism.

You are an absolute and total idiot. Some Jews did migrate back to Palestine, but the real breaking point came with the UN focus on creating a Jewish homeland after WW II. The problem was, and is, that since the Diaspora, other peoples had moved into the region, and some had simply never left. When Jews began moving back after the war, they jumped the gun on independence, with the blessing of the UN. The British had promised to back the plan, and the US should have let them take the heat, but instead we became the backer, with the primary motivation of heading off the Soviets. The rest, as they say, is simply a history of chairmen of the Fed. with Jewish last names and never-ending strife between Israel and all of its neighbors.

US have not really backed Israel untill the seventies 25 years after Israel independence.
During the War of Independance of 1948, the American State Department imposed an arms embargo on the region. It was a stab in the back to the Jews, and American knew it well, because just a couple of days before the embargo, Britain officially informed the USA and the United nations that it would NOT suspend the weapons shipments to Arabs.

July 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm |

rick

you need to remind yourself and your buddies that 1} jews were living in this land for 5000 years before there were such things as "muslims" 2] jews began to return to their homeland in the 1800s and bought land from arab farmers and the "settlers" in the 20s and 30s also purchased l and from arabs but were subjected to terror attacks in the name of islam anyways after 3] they turned the desert you and your buddies were to lazy to cultivate into orchards and cities.

Why don't the Israelis create and promote a multi-ethnic state like Switzerland. Jes, Palestinians and christians should intermarry. Why the hatred. if only idiot bush would have kept his promise of a Palestinian state by 2005 we would all be so much happier today.

Bukhari (52:177) – Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

If you are A Jew which I doubt you are then you know its in your scripture and recommended that the Jews can deceive and rip off all Goyim (non Jews)...so in that deception Israel kills cheats and steals from everyone in the world to get what they want...and then they ask for forgiveness on Yom Kippur for the atrocities...The crazy thing is that religion does not even play in this situation...Israel has ILLEGAL nuclear weapons with a myriad of UN resolutions against them for the use of deadly force and weapons outlawed by the UN in warfare...they have committed numerous terrorist attacks on others soil...and when they defend themselves somehow they are wrong...why don't all of you commenters wake the hell up and see what is going on around you....instead of destroying Real American Values like peace prosperity the common good helping your fellow man etc etc you have adopted the Israeli way by terrorizing your way into power...Lets no forget it was a holocaust that got them into Israel that doesn't give them the right to commit the same atrocities and get away with it because of what the Germans did!!!!!!!!

If btw Iran and Hezbollah did carry out that bombing...the families should be making their grievances to the Israeli government if they hadn't bombed and killed so many others in the world then maybe people wouldn't feel the need to retaliate against them...Attacks against Jews around the world are a direct result of indiscriminate violence that Israel has purported to the people in its borders....when the IDF decides to kill a family and there is a survivor they created his anger and any retribution enacted as a result of his anger is the Israeli governments fault...if the world and the US held them accountable for their crimes the way they do other countries maybe a lot of lives would be saved and we wouldn't have to turn on CNN to see another bombing on innocents whether they jew christian muslim or atheist!!!

You sick suicide loving murderers
killing innocent children on bussess and in cafe's
you bet your going to get it back.
Real human beings, real "men" do not murder
children.

Its very simple.
Dont shoot, and you wont get shot.

July 23, 2012 at 3:24 pm |

khan

the only country that is causing all the problems for moslems is isreal and usa the biggest threat to world peace everybody knows the attrocites the jews and usa are committing against the palistnians the palistnians are being murdered by us arms to the jews that why 911 happened all the moslems hate the jews and the usa gov for what they are doing to the poor palistinians now isreal wants the usa to fight an other war and bomb iran give palistinians thier full right then all the terrorsiom wil finsh

Muslims hate everyone that is not muslim, they are the most biggeted group on this planet.
They hate Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Baha'i. Muslims are the biggest threat to the world.
Just think that all these religions can live in peace with each other except Islam. In any western nation there are Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i temples. In middleast muslims burn everything down that is not Islamic. There are only few churches left in middleast and only because they were there before Islam.

Think about this Khan your name comes from one of the most bloodthirsty military leaders that the world has never known. This individual butchered tens of millions of people, raped thousand of women and he was also responsible for a complete destruction and murder of hundreds of cities and its people.Now how is it that Muslim carry his name for all the evil that this man did. This man was the most brutal killer ever that has ever lived. Just try to explain this to your yourself.

FYI Muslims are more tolerant than Israeli's....not all Jews identify with Israel so I wont lump then in...Iran has the largest Jewish population in the middle east besides Israel (a jewish state) they have a member in parliament they synagogues for places of worship and have refused numerous attempts by the Israeli govt to return as refugees...why is that? Is it maybe because they live better lives in Iran? if you actually new something about the history of that region you would know that muslims in the last 1000 yrs have not been as responsible for war as christians....lets look at the world wars lets look at vietnam and korea lets look at Iraq and afghanistan...lets look Bosnia Herzegovina...i don't even wanna go back over a 100 yrs in that case I can bring up the Native American tribes who were wiped out by Christians...Islam saved the Europeans during the Dark ages...europeans couldn't even keep themselves clean enough to avoid disease..Islam has created progress in science literature math medicine architecture culture....what have the Jews given the world but Usury and debt!!!!

July 23, 2012 at 2:23 pm |

Fearless Freep

Poor Poor Palestinians.
The Red Cross says that Palestinians are overweight
because they eat too much.

Just to give you some facts Jewish population has been halfed in Iran since the Islamic revolution in Iran.
Also don't forget the 600 years of wars of Islamic wars against Europe under the Ottoman rule. The scientific achievements of Islamic empire were mediocare at best. Just think if muslims were so scientifically oriented why is it that now they are the most scientifically deprived region in the world. Why?(because they never really were scientifically minded society). There is actual correlation that when muslims were invading regions such as Egypt and Persia and India that is when their scientific knoledge grew. After the muslim expension slowed so did their scientific knowldge. While Europe scientific knowledge grew from within. Lets also get real, people have been mislead that the current numeric system is called "Arabic numerals" which is total lie since the numerals actually originated from India H 1100 years before the rise of Islam and 400 years before the Roman Empire, around 400 BC. Also If muslims were so tolerant people why did the largest Jewish population before www2 was in Poland a christian country?

Well I recall the US listened to Isreal that Saddame had weapons of mass destruction. We bought it hook line and sinker costing the U.S. plenty in lives and dollars. What was found nothing. However the middle east was destablized and if religion does play a factor aligned it more with Iran than any country since most are Shiite. I think everyone knows if a war with Iran is started the world will not like the results as economies will crash, fuel will go sky high and many governments will be dealing with riots. I would think the major powers should tell Israel if you invade Iran you go it alone. I seriously doubt Iran has any interest in Israel. Perhaps just an Idea the U.N. do another resolution and make everyone in New Jersey move, we relocate all the Isrealies here then there would be no worry of war. The Arabs are happy, oil drops in price and economies rise.

I think its funny that you morons believe the US listened to anyone, Never thought id have to point out our espionage capabilities... That was never about oil, or WMD's... It was posturing for an attack on Iran...

That's why the US is pushing for sanctions and weening the world off of Iranian oil – to avoid more economic harm when Iran is attacked (not "if", but "when"). Once this source of oil is fully replaced, I suspect the attacks against Iran will begin.

Zion train is coming your way! Israel is more threat to the world and USA than any other country! Alos Israel never admitted they have nuclear weapons of mass destruction but we all know they have them. Iran Bashing, Terrorism and Who Chose The Chosen People, Anyway? go to youtube and watch?v=eptPeSmA37U – or watch The Other Israel watch?v=IJxdIXgMGAI

Israel & Iran are merely in an open psychological war,there is no more to it than that.Iran is a massive country,their actual defeence is fairly advanced nothing like they have ever faced,Israel cannot afford to attack Iran,not when their own territory is a mere 8000sq miles.

aside israel The syrians have the BEST air defance in the middel east ! (a turkish f-16 was shoot down a month ago)
better than the iranian one,and israel destroyed the syrian nuclear reactor in "Dir-Azur" with a blink of an eye.
iranian have literally no air force and their air defence belong in the early 60s.
iranians had an 8 year war with iraq with no decisive victory
americans destroyed the iraqi army (4th biggest in the world at that time) in less than a week

yea...apparently we won the battle, but judging from the massive bombings that took place today in Iraq...we lost the war

July 23, 2012 at 1:18 pm |

Roamer

Israel's air-force is made in America. If Israel thought they had the power to knock off Iran they would have done it by now. Israeli people need to realize that without the direct help of the US Israel can not defeat Iran on its own. Because of sanctions since 1979 Iran has been able to become self efficient and reliant a feat that the entire world thought could never happen. Israel and the US need to stop bullying and talking down to Iran until that stops you will never have regime change in Iran or peace in the Middle East.

July 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm |

frank

the last time israel and syria fought an air war ( 1973) the score was 73 syrian planes shot down to 0 Israeli planes, ck for yourself!

July 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm |

astutemind

Apparently frank thinks he makes a point comparing apples to oranges.

July 23, 2012 at 3:21 pm |

astutemind

Oh and by the way Islamic fantasies – your claim about Syria having the best air defence in the ME after israel is Bee Ess. Iran's air defenses are better than Syria's as well as their defenses period.

July 23, 2012 at 3:25 pm |

Fearless Freep

Syria is tied to the hip with Iran.
If any conflict does break out it will be started by Iran.
Why ?
Forget sanctions and threats,
for Iran to survive she must take in more money than she spends.
Iran has been cut off from international banking, and has been forced to
sell what little oil she can for cheaper prices. Thats most of her GDP.
Iran is very slowly going broke.
When you corner an animal it will come out fighting.

It worked on The Soviet Union.
Its a brilliant plan.

July 23, 2012 at 3:35 pm |

astutemind

"Syria is tied to the hip with Iran" is a point of view...a metaphor if you will. I deal in facts...not subjective points of view. Syria is a one nation – Iran is another period. It doesn't matter if YOU and your ilk see them tied/joined at the hip or call them Siamese twins or any other characterization designed for your "guilt by association" argument. They both have different governments and leaders period. "joined at the hip" and other tortured characterizations designed to find Peter guilty for the actions of Paul don't apply to international law...only western domestic jurisprudence. If I in my subjective point of view see Israel as the Siames twin of Rwanda, that does not make it so. They are two separate sovereign nations and no amount of creatively worded crap will change that fact.

If Iran did carry out these attacks via proxy then Israel should not be surprised and reap what is sows. What does Israel expect by carrying out the equivalent attacks on Iranian civilian scientist? The world needs to wake up, there is a double standard here, whenever Israel kills a person it is considered war against terror but if Iran does the same it is considered terrorism. Iran and the US does not want war, Israel does and through its lobbyist will try to push for it. Israel will not survive one week in a head to head battle with Iran, through propaganda and clever marketing Israel's military might is over rated and Iran's is under-rated. Iran has lived with sanctions for over 33 years and is a self sufficient nation that fought a war with Iraq in the 80's while Saddam was aided by the US and ARAB countries. Neither the US nor its puppet Israel has a right to forcefully tell a nation that has a history of 2,500 years and is a signatory to the NPT to not have nuclear technology. There is a reason why most of the world and countries despise the govt. of the nation of Israel, Iran is by no means a democratic State but why meddle in their affairs? Let the people in Iran deal with change and it will come.....

Why because you say so? Are scientists working at Los Alamos National Laboratories members of the US military? Absolutely not. They are civilian scientists. I didn't see Iran targeting Israeli nuclear scientists and claiming that they are members of the IDF. Futhermore Iran has NEVER attacked Israel, so unless the Iranian Revolutionary Guards attacked Israel then said guards are not a legitimate target for Israel to attack unprovoked and neither were the scientists.

Yours is just an exercise in high hypocrisy where you're claiming that you're crime is morally superior to theirs.

July 23, 2012 at 3:14 pm |

Fearless Freep

*** Futhermore Iran has NEVER attacked Israel.....

Every rocket launched at Israel from Hezzbolah and hamas
was supplied by Iran.
Even The Egyptians and Saudi's admit this.
Turky has even intercepted shipments both at her ports and at airports.
Your not fooling anybody.

July 23, 2012 at 3:39 pm |

astutemind

An arms supplier is NOT an attacker. There are scores of countries that sell or supply arms to various other countries all over the world. Supplying a party with whom you sympathize with weapons and training is not the same as attacking said party's enemy and history is rife with examples of this...most notably the US supplying weapons and training to the Mujahadeen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The US made sure NOT to attack the soviet aircraft but supplied the Mujahadeen with the means and training to do so. If using a proxy was the same as a direct attack then that would negate the use of a proxy in the first place. History is rife with other examples e.g. the Korean War, Vietnam war...in fact every permanent member of the security council has supplied arms to parties hostile to other permanent members. Iran plays by the same rules as everyone else.

Iran has NEVER attacked Israel. The "if you eat I feel full" fuzzy logic doesn't work here.

July 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm |

tom

the people of iran do want change but have been unable to overcome the religious zealotry governing the country.

"The "Palestinian people" does not exist. The creation﻿ of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a "Palestinian people".."

That's ironic...because you should be tendering that advice to israel. It allegedly went around unlawfully and unprovokedly murdering civilian Iranian scientists, and five civilian Israelis allegedly got bombed in return. Maybe Israel should learn not to unprovokedly kill and they won't get killed back.

July 23, 2012 at 5:09 pm |

Riza Afghan

WoW WoW WoW This dude is lying 😛

Israel kept repeating: we're going to bomb you – we're going to bomb you – we're going to bomb you

and at the sametime Israel is saying Iran was threatening them ???

Israel is going to bomb Iranian people and who is threatening who here ?

This dude is a big liar. I am not against Jew or Muslim or Hindu. But this dude should be honest.

Actually Iran has made many statements regarding how israel should be wiped out... that's a threat Riza... not sure if you realized that. Iran has continously made threats to Israel and perhaps the reasons for their nuclear enrichment program.

You are a liar. That's not a threat. Show me where Iran said Iran is going to wipe out Israel. Iran saying "Israel should be wiped out" is NOT the same as Iran saying "Iran will wipe out Israel". You wouldn't know what a threat is if it shot you in the behind and tried to remove the bullet with needle nose pliers. Secondly even deputy Israeli Prime Minister Dan Meridor finally admitted that Iran NEVER said it was going to wipe Israel off the map, so your line about "wipe out Israel" is a LIE.

July 23, 2012 at 3:07 pm |

tom

no dudes in dearborn islamic center that thru CAIR raise money for hezbollah to pay for missiles from Iran that rain down on israel every day, eh dude? even you can see the truth, dude.

AND china AND russia by its side... Russia=most nukes than any other country. China= Most growing economy. Do research

July 23, 2012 at 3:34 pm |

AshannaK

Arab, you have a serious mental problem. The State of israel is situated on land that was promised to the Jewish People by God, the same one you believe in. So get off your high horse and be true Muslims. True Muslims are loving, holy people, not people like you who think nothing of making war on innocent people.

True muslims will never be at peace with the Jewish people only because they don't believe that they are teh chosen of God. They believe Ishmael was... which is clearly shown in history who God favors... Islam lost to the Jews so many times... True muslims are not loving, caring, or anything but hateful like their god Satan.

July 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm |

islamic fantasies

"It is written in the Holy Qur'an that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle therein (Qur'an, Sura 5:21) & that before the Last Day He will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of their Land, gathering them from all different countries and nations (Qu'ran, Sura 17:104). Consequently, as a Muslim who abides by the Qur'an, I believe that opposing the existence of the State of Israel means opposing a Divine decree."
– Sheik Abdul Paleizo –

July 23, 2012 at 12:57 pm |

southernquilts

I've only met kind and humble Muslims

God chose the Israeli's of past, to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus Christ; of Abraham and David. Well, he's come!

July 23, 2012 at 3:21 pm |

ihatearabs

sorry Arab but iran is a piece of s!#t we should just nuke the whole middle east it would save the world a lot of trouble and make it a better place

iran is a good nation that murders its dissidents and apostates, not to mention its adulterous women. a good nation that threatens a neighbor with extinction and promises the world it will commit national suicide by closing the straits of hormuz. you my friend epitomize the problem, tunnel vision. its always the fault of someone else and you are content with singing the palestinian mantra: "woe is me, woe is me, everyone [ the US, the zionists, the UK, Israel, the EU, danish cartoonists, etc.] but us is the cause of our misery".

Joe from CT... I'll have to remind you that back in December, 1941 the US was in "open war" with Germany... Nevertheless, there were no body counts at that time.

johngre... The last thing Israel is willing is to "goad" the U.S. or anyone else into attacking Iran. If you believe that theis is not the case you should have no troubles to explain the benefits Israel will possibly gain from it.

Wrong again Thinker (as usual). An open war existed when the US declared openly that we were at war with Germany and this was done after Germany declared war with the US. You are not allowed to make up your own facts.

He says Israel never admitted that they killed Iranian scientist, Does Iran admit that they killed Israeli tourist? As far as we know (according to Bulgaria Police) there is no evidence against Iran or its allies. Iran also denied any involvement.

You're corrct, neither Israel nor Iran admitted their supposed involvement in these activities. Neverthelesws, Israel openly declared that it had no proof yet while Iran DID NOT SHOW any proof despite the years that passed after the assassinations of Iranian scientists.

Yeah, you've also got the Catholic terrorists in Mexico who worship the narco-saint Malverde. You've got Phelps and his people "thanking God" for dead American soldiers, and you've also got the KKK.
So does that mean that Christianity also equals worldwide terror?
Get out of here...

July 23, 2012 at 12:35 pm |

Chris

@Carlos F. Ummm no since every crazy organization you named is a domestic threat not a INTERNATIONAL TERROR GROUP!

Gulf war 1.
Iraq was tossing scud missiles into Israel.
It was live on TV.
Bush the elder had to almost "beg" Israel
to not strike back.
Even giving Israel all the free Patriot missiles and launchers.
Some of the members of the "coaltion of the willing"
had been Arab states Including Jordan & Saudi Arabia.
If A Jewish state attacked an Arab state, they would have pulled out.
Israel does what is in Israels best interest.
Israel doesnt need to "goad" America into anything.
You have a five year olds view of the world.

Sorry, Mr. President. If Iran were in "open war" they would be doing more than the piddly response from their surrogates. Your body counts would be significantly higher, and the people in Iraq would be ducking from rockets flying back and forth over their country.

Iran is a country having 80 (EIGHTY) times the territory of Israel and 10 (TEN) times the population...

July 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm |

Mike D

And 0 times the nuclear weaponry, Thinker...

July 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm |

Mehdi

Israeli officially accepted assassinating Iranians, long before this Bulgaria mishap, And Israelis are the Only people that claiming it was Iranian job, The US did not make such claim even when they found the driving license with the person who did that.
Now we can see what the ""JEWISH PROTOCOLS" means

July 23, 2012 at 2:47 pm |

Judaism=worldwide terror !

Idiot...Hmm, lets see who has iran by their side... RUSSIA, which has the most thermonuclear weapons than any other country in the world, and CHINA, which has a economy growing at a rate higher than 8 %, highest than of any other country in the world. DO some research before you post things on these blogs. P.S dont believe me? lol. Check the web. Russia= most active and inactive nukes in the world. China= most growing economy. Russia+China=Irans friends.

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