Movies and Socionic Types - Adding Method to the Mayhem

Ok I've compiled a decent list of characters from movies and their types. I've done this because I have seen A LOT of movies in my lifetime, in fact every time I watch a movie I go to IMDB.com and rate it, I've done this over the span of 7 years, I have about 760 movies rated, lol.

As I've said in other threads, good writers base their characters on real-life counterparts, therefore because a person, in real life, is typeable, so is a well-written character. I did not come to any of these conclusions "thoughtlessly". I've only stated the types of characters that I am confident of, and for me to be confident enough to state my opinion on something means that I strongly believe in its validity.

Anyways I've created this thread with purpose, not just to make claims. I've noticed that in movie and tv show threads there is much debating that gets nowhere. Neither party knows where the other is coming from in their type claims. In this thread you'll see where I'm coming from.

In terms of your comments ----
a) Look over the characters from your personal type.
b) Did I get it right? Would you say there are patterns of mistakes in how I type others?
c) If you're interested in Socionics and interested in movies, well then this thread may help you find something to rent!
d) In other threads we've discussed the tendency for people to type characters they sympathize with within their own quadra. I've wondered often if I was guilty of this... hence this thread should clear that up
e) I know some types have received more attention from me - this is because I've only included characters I'm confident in typing - it's not a coincidence that INFps are the largest category. Types that didn't receive as much attention are types I'm less confident with
f) Focus on the patterns within each type to understand where I'm coming from. Focus on the patterns in behaviour, especially negative behaviour. (i.e. INFp characters show a tendency towards depressed & histrionic behaviour)
g) I may be wrong with some of these, I admit it. But please don't just state "He's not ESFp he's ESTp! duh" because it's not duh. I love movies so if you want me to understand what a type is "actually" like then give me examples. If you want to use functions I only really understand the Role, Creative and POLr ones, the rest is still kinda greek unless explained well. I've included as many characters as I could because I'm interested in the patterns above all. Patterns are what I use to differentiate types. My dependence on this may mean that you'll find a "pattern of mistakes", if so please inform me!
h) I don't think anyone has yet endeavored to post as large a database so enjoy!

INFp
Cate Blanchette in "Notes on a Scandal"
Stephane in "The Science of Sleep"
Protagonist in "Art School Confidential"
Daniel Day-Lewis in "The Age of Innocence"
Fergus in "The Crying Game"
Hayden Christenson in "Shattered Glass"
Bettie Page in "The Notorious Bettie Page"
Gwyneth Paltrow in "Proof"
Johnny Depp in "The Libertine"
Naomi Watts in "Stay"
Wash in ""Firefly" & "Serenity"
Claire in "Six Feet Under"
Ghandi(Ben Kingsley) in "Ghandi"
Protagonist in "The Invisible"

ENFj
Hedwig in "Hedwig and the Angry Inch"
Leonardo DiCaprio in "The Aviator"
Sam Lowry in "Brazil"
Billy Crudup in "Stage Beauty"
Robert Downey Jr. in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"
President Laura Roslin in "Battlestar Galactica"
Georg Dreyman in "The Lives of Others" (German)

INTp
Judi Dench in "Notes on a Scandal"
Julia Roberts in "Closer"
Protagonist in "The Quiet Earth"
Jim Carey in "Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind"
Inara in "Firefly" & "Serenity"
Cicero in "Rome"

ISTj? That was some over-the-top Se, methinks. Plus, the unwavering nature of his rules was more Ti than Te.

Yes. I agree with ISTj for Captain Vidal in Pan's Labyrinth.

O, and what about..
The Illusionist
ISTj for the Crown Prince

lol I typed the crown prince as ENTj actually! I still see unhealthy ENTj for Vidal too. When ISTjs get unhealthy they don't organize people like that. They're less likely to maintain such status above all else, let alone "play the game". Remember that both characters, despite their degrading mental conditions, were still quite brilliant in regards to getting people to do what they wanted - like really, the only reason they fail is because it's a movie and supernatural circumstances screw them over. I see both characters as Fe POLR

conflict with scully? are you sure? they did pretty well together for the most part. Also i really don't see Moulder as ethical type, how often does he talk about his feelings? i've only seen up to season 5 but the fact that it made it that far hints away from any type of conflicting relations

INFp: Gwyneth Paltrow in "Proof"
ESTj: Claire (the sister) in "Proof"

I thought INTp-ESFj. Certainly Conflict, at any rate. Reminds me of my brother and sister.

As I recall, her sister was constantly pressuring her to go out and be more social - Fe-type stuff.

Her sister kept a detailed list of everything she had to do. She took the role of selling the house and taking gwyneth's character with her - there was no Fe there. Gwyneth also had lack of confidence in her logical ability - as did EVERYONE else, thus they doubted her ability to be a genius. INTps generally earn respect for they intellect, especially from those near to them, from an early age. Her sister was definitely Sensory subtype while she was intuitive subtype. Fe-type stuff is more like causing an emotional scene and/or emotionally consoling others, her sister did not have that ability. By "go out" she meant "let's go buy clothes and you'll be happy!" Fe is my second function so I'm confident in noticing it

ESFp: Kate Winslet in "Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind"
INTp: Jim Carey in "Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind"

I'm still not completely sure about this one....... thanks for bringing it up!

I can't say about the rest of them. Maybe I'll do a post like this; I'm quite the IMDb addict.

definitely do! I find that making big individual compilations like this is the best way to do it. When people just post in a thread "this person is xxxx" it's frustrating cuz I always want to ask "what other characters would you say are xxxx?"

conflict with scully? are you sure? they did pretty well together for the most part. Also i really don't see Moulder as ethical type, how often does he talk about his feelings? i've only seen up to season 5 but the fact that it made it that far hints away from any type of conflicting relations

Hm, she could be ESTj. In fact that's more probable. She is usually frustrated with Mulder, and that could apply to activity relations. As for Mulder being ethical, he struck me as not having Ti. More likely extroverted than introverted - he's usually the one taking the initiative in searching and whatnot. (I only watch this show casually.)

INFp: Gwyneth Paltrow in "Proof"
ESTj: Claire (the sister) in "Proof"

I thought INTp-ESFj. Certainly Conflict, at any rate. Reminds me of my brother and sister.

As I recall, her sister was constantly pressuring her to go out and be more social - Fe-type stuff.

Her sister kept a detailed list of everything she had to do. She took the role of selling the house and taking gwyneth's character with her - there was no Fe there. Gwyneth also had lack of confidence in her logical ability - as did EVERYONE else, thus they doubted her ability to be a genius. INTps generally earn respect for they intellect, especially from those near to them, from an early age. Her sister was definitely Sensory subtype while she was intuitive subtype. Fe-type stuff is more like causing an emotional scene and/or emotionally consoling others, her sister did not have that ability. By "go out" she meant "let's go buy clothes and you'll be happy!" Fe is my second function so I'm confident in noticing it

Matt Damon in "The Good Shepherd" IMO ENTj, intjs give off an impression of being more corrupt than entjs. extjs are very goodie goodie always trying to do the right thing at the right time.

Captain Vidal in "Pan's Labyrinth" probably ESFj. A entj that doesn't believe/discourages mysticism?poppycock! Also he always seemed to pick things up, handle them, smell them etc. I think the film was made from a INXp position. And if he was a entj, he would have been seen as the bad guy who isn't really a bad guy or turns out nice in the end(from a inxp point of view).

Captain Vidal in "Pan's Labyrinth" probably ESFj. A entj that doesn't believe/discourages mysticism?poppycock! Also he always seemed to pick things up, handle them, smell them etc. I think the film was made from a INXp position. And if he was a entj, he would have been seen as the bad guy who isn't really a bad guy or turns out nice in the end(from a inxp point of view).

Matt Damon in "The Good Shepherd" IMO ENTj, intjs give off an impression of being more corrupt than entjs. extjs are very goodie goodie always trying to do the right thing at the right time.

he really doesn't talk that much. the way he deals with feelings is more INTj in my opinion, he doesn't really know to express them but does so by i.e. giving the present to his kid. also intjs definitely don't give the impression of being corrupt to me, if anything they have an inherent quiet 'nobility' about them. they're loyal and comfortable with secrets, they aren't overly ambitious. an ENTj secret service person would be working much higher up the ladder, making ambitious social connections whilst compiling more information than anyone else is aware exists. I get the impression from ENTjs that they aren't content just doing something on their own, my uncle for example told me he enjoys teaching a person below him in the company all the tricks of the trade etc. and then taking pride in watching that person's career rise

I think that is right. Now I wonder what type the "Bond girl" was. INFp perhaps? They had such a dramatic relationship full of big emotions, betrayal, love and hate and ending up in a suicide of the girl which made me think, "hey that's a pretty stereotypical ESTp/INFp pair".

I think that is right. Now I wonder what type the "Bond girl" was. INFp perhaps? They had such a dramatic relationship full of big emotions, betrayal, love and hate and ending up in a suicide of the girl which made me think, "hey that's a pretty stereotypical ESTp/INFp pair".

And what type was Bond's boss? Some Te type perhaps?

i thought the romance was freaking IDEAL until i saw the end. so now i cant tell if she was faking at first and THEN genuine, or just faking all together.

but anyways, i think craig's james bond beats sean connery's just BARELY. and thats saying a lot coming from me. he was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sexxxxyy and bad ass and just all around sextacular. rawr! i loved the whole armor thing

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I think that is right. Now I wonder what type the "Bond girl" was. INFp perhaps? They had such a dramatic relationship full of big emotions, betrayal, love and hate and ending up in a suicide of the girl which made me think, "hey that's a pretty stereotypical ESTp/INFp pair".

And what type was Bond's boss? Some Te type perhaps?

I think they were more like an ISTj-ENFj dual couple. Vesper was ENFj, not INFp imo. But I think that ESTp-INFp is second best. They'd be Se-ISTj and Ni-ENFj, so the line is less clear.

For a good portrayal of what many ESTjs are like , Matt Damon's character in The Good Shepherd - and please note that I am talking about the character, not Damon himself.

What do you think? Why INTj / why ESTj?

Everything. He's very low on Fe and higher on Fi; very low on Ni and high on Si - he doesn't seem to ever think about his life in the longer term, he just does what has to be done and takes the job he's offered and does his duty. He does not give off Fe nor does he seem to need it. His relationship with the deaf girl is a stereotypical ESTj-INFj one. He's not overly Se in demeanor but can use it if necessary. Even his main hobby - ships in bottles - is a Si hobby.

Re: Movies and Socionic Types - Adding Method to the Mayhem

Originally Posted by Expat

He does not give off Fe nor does he seem to need it.

Is his wife a type?

If so, the first scenes where Edward and his wife-to-be meet are showing dual seeking function for Edward, aren't they? I mean, when others are dancing, Edward just waits for someone to ask him dance (= give him some ), and then she actually does that.

Re: Movies and Socionic Types - Adding Method to the Mayhem

Originally Posted by jas05

Originally Posted by Expat

He does not give off Fe nor does he seem to need it.

Is his wife a type?

I thought she was more ESFp or Se-ISFj.

Originally Posted by jas05

If so, the first scenes where Edward and his wife-to-be meet are showing dual seeking function for Edward, aren't they? I mean, when others are dancing, Edward just waits for someone to ask him dance (= give him some ), and then she actually does that.

You don't know that he was particularly waiting for someone to ask him to dance. And rather than , to me that was a case of . She wanted him, she went after him. Anyway, let's not analyze every bit of the move as if it was real people.

If so, the first scenes where Edward and his wife-to-be meet are showing dual seeking function for Edward, aren't they? I mean, when others are dancing, Edward just waits for someone to ask him dance (= give him some ), and then she actually does that.

You don't know that he was particularly waiting for someone to ask him to dance. And rather than , to me that was a case of . She wanted him, she went after him. Anyway, let's not analyze every bit of the move as if it was real people.

Have never known an ESFj who knew what she wanted?

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Re: Movies and Socionic Types - Adding Method to the Mayhem

Originally Posted by Expat

Originally Posted by jas05

If so, the first scenes where Edward and his wife-to-be meet are showing dual seeking function for Edward, aren't they? I mean, when others are dancing, Edward just waits for someone to ask him dance (= give him some ), and then she actually does that.

You don't know that he was particularly waiting for someone to ask him to dance. And rather than , to me that was a case of . She wanted him, she went after him. Anyway, let's not analyze every bit of the move as if it was real people.

V for Vendetta is an extremely beta movie. the character of V is probably EIE; the girl (whatever her name was) might be IEI. it's all about overcoming obstacles and pain to overthrow a corrupt dictatorship -- a greater cause. the setting is also futuristic and completely oriented towards Ni in terms of the way that it's structured; it's completely
Ni, Se, Fe.

What I saw of it struck me as rather caricature and unrealistic though. So I had thought - maybe the movie was an alpha perception of a beta scenario. I don't know enough about who wrote and directed it to say though.

as did i; i was thinking "this is so unrealistic."

i saw that as an Ni kind of vision of the way the world will be like, without much focus on actually being a practical or realistic interpretation - more a dramatic one which allows a focus on the sort of overcoming obstacles.

I've found this movie the most aesthetically pleasing movie I've ever seen. My husband (LSE) and I were just watching the DVD menu for a while, and were even content with that. Anyway, besides that, I think it's an incredibly good movie. Now I'm going to have to go watch it...

Maybe it's Delta? Opinions?

Also, V for Vendetta does seem Beta, imo. I liked it, but it's not one of my favorites.

I thought V for Vendetta was unrealistic and a waste of time, since it did not describe revolution realistically. It was more like a fairy tale.

but the point of the movie wasn't to be realistic, the unrealistic movies I don't like are the ones that try to look realistic but are actually fairy tale, like "the social network". usually I am more interested in political theories than a realistic sensory outlook to the world.
I also liked Harry Potter a lot (and still do), but you probably don't like that as well