<br>Im not saying I could teach all these. Knowing I don't have any real teachable skills at wood working or machining things, but I would love to find people that do. and would spend the time helping out. <br><br><br>

<br>And not quite class related, but I would love to implement more group project. I have plans and an idea for making an new large conference table and/or multiple nice tables for other locations. Instead of using cheap folding tables that people sit at with their computer.<br>

<div>And other projects building things like furniture for whatever new space we get.<br><br>After saying that, it could still be a class of some sort. Group skill building classes.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>

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Yay Kassie, :-)<br>
<br>
Check this out: "Classes provided more than <strong>60-75 percent</strong> of
the income for Artisan’s Asylum in its early stages, and are a
fundamental part of almost all makerspaces I’ve ever seen." That is
a quote from Gui Cavalcanti one of the co-founders of Artisan’s
Asylum.<br>
<br>
I just did the spread sheet for income and expenses and the biggest
revenue stream by far... is classes, even if you only charge $15 /
hour which is below market rate, and that is after you give half the
income to the instuctror which is what Artisan’s Asylum did. Though
I can't remember what models we came up with at a board meeting.
Kassie knows though. ;-)<br>
<br>
So the bottom line is if we have a good quiet classroom or rooms we
can afford a bigger space. :-)<br>
<br>
Clif<br>
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On 10/20/2013 01:37 PM, Kassie wrote:
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<div>One thing the board has been working on is classes and the
opportunity for member to teach. The new space will make this
idea become reality easier.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This will create three new perks for our members. One, the
classes themselves. Two, the opportunity to make some money
teaching. And three, members will have a discount on classes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Additionally, this will create a new revenue stream for EMS
for other benefits like tools.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Currently I'm leading this charge, so if you are interested
in being a part let me know. While its still early I would like
to share some of the already intended classes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Intro to blender and 3d modeling</div>
<div>-focus on UI and basic animation </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Basic modeling in blender</div>
<div>-covering basic modeling concepts</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Modeling for 3d printers</div>
<div>- learning to create 3d object that can be printed</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Intro to Inkscape for cnc<br>
-focus on creating cnc objects using ponoko</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Intro to gimp</div>
<div>- focus on UI and basic photo manipulation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Intro to the arduino </div>
<div>- creating a basic circuit that will be controlled by the
arduino. Focusing on the workflow and coding.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Right now I can't say more, but I should be able to say more
soon.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kassie </div>
<div><br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:32 PM, "Mr. Clif" <<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
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<div>Cliff, </div>
<div>Excellent and thanks again for all the hard
work on and coordinating the new shop hunting.</div>
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Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)<br>
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<div>Other topic (sponsorship, grants,
endowments)</div>
Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members
take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and
donations? Are there items in the bylaws preventing
multiply sources of income in this manner or does it
require a board member to make these decisions?</div>
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<br>
The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can
get. :-) Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a
bit more coordination (read effectiveness) forming a
committee is probably a good way to go. Specifically, yes
please "take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors
and donations."<br>
<br>
I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved
by the board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though
there is nothing preventing multiple sources of income.<br>
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<div>Also, is this something that is a "board function",
to coordinate these duties? example:
<div>I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards
from Paul. Did we ever do anything with them
post/brag about them or say thanks in a public way to
return the favor? He has come out with the <a href="http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy3.html" target="_blank">3.0</a> and

I don't think we got one, could be we did not follow
up with the one we got.<br>
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Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in
outreach, PR, and thanking our contributors. However our
members could take the initiative and do a lot of that too. As
long as you're not committing the organization to anything,
only the board can do that.<br>
<br>
Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very
important isues!<br>
<br>
Clif<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38
AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Yes very
true James,<br>
<br>
this is why we are moving. Look toward the
future. ;-) I would be happy to have a sponsor
James, and I think some competition would be
great as a sponsored activity. However it should
be at our shop and ideally it should bring more
people there. Now, I'll admit I've been more
interested in applying for grants than looking
for sponsors that is my bias. I have even done
some quick googles for grants we might qualify
for when I was board, but currently landing a
new space takes most of my time. However I now
know of two grant writers in our community that
might be available to help if we ask them
nicely.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Clif</font></span>
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On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I would be shocked if
anyone wants to use our current space as
a meeting room and pay for it.
<div><br>
<div>So if you don't like the idea of
having a meeting at a sponsor site,
how about an event or competition of
some sort? Fastest beer chilling
contraption or beer pouring bot?
What are your limits for what EMS
would do or with a sponsor? </div>
<div>I get you don't want one but
there are possible enough members
that do so what the middle ground?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20,
2013 at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I'm thinking
instead of holding our meetings
somewhere else and asking for
sponsorship how about renting out
our meeting room and getting extra
money for that from other groups
each month? That might even bring
in more money and certainly get
people down to our actual space
not somewhere else.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Clif</font></span>
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On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James
Hukill wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I totally
agree that (IMHO) we
can/should seek some
sponsorship. The topic
has come up before and
there are some senior
members with valid points
about making sure it's
done tastefully. The
example (to take it to the
extreme for the point) is
they do not want the shop
to look like NSCAR. I get
that 100% and agree.
There has to be some
middle ground though.
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>But, cart before the
horse?.. When do we wait
if at all to ask for
some sponsorship? What
do we have to offer in
return? Do we do it
before we move?</div>
<div>Simple example would
be something like
HopValley or Ninkasi.
We offerer to hold our
membership meetings on
site with them. Most of
us go and and have a
drink now and again so
might as well spend it
with them. They give
EMS money and in return
they know we will be
onsite for a member
meeting once a month
that will bring them in
x amount of $$.
Stickers at the shop
with their logo, and or
some type of newsletter
with their logo name as
a Sponsor... </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at
10:51 AM, Austin
McKimmey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amckimmey@gmail.com" target="_blank">amckimmey@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I feel
like we have
discussed membership
cost increasing many
times before. I
don't think it has
ever ended in any
actual consideration
to change anything
though. There are
some of us, me
included in not
embarrassed to say,
that $25 is a hell
of a lot to pay
already. There would
have to be a much
larger space and
brand new shiny
tools there for me
to consider paying
any more.<br>
<br>
<div>Everyone has
heard me say this
before. I
personally think,
if we have a
presentable space.
Not something full
of junk and rusty
tools. We could
start asking for
sponsorship
funding from local
businesses.<br>
<br>
There is a lot we
can do.</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div>Austin</div>
</font></span></div>
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<div>On Sun, Oct
20, 2013 at
10:06 AM, James
Hukill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:James@hukill.net" target="_blank">James@hukill.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I
agree, but,
there has to
be some value
add for the
increase dues.
Bigger space
with more room
and not a
project dump
(aka bike cart
overdue for
going away)
site is a
start.
<div> We might
chase folks
away and there
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