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re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by CMPancake

Fair enough, there are people who suffer from allergic reactions from some of the ingredients and in rarer cases suffer from diseases that make them incapable of taking vaccines. (The name for the disorder is escaping me at the moment.) .

Agreed.

Outside of those rare exceptions you should get vaccinated

That is the party line, no doubt about that. The issue is all of the things that we do not know but are convinced that we do know. The issue is all the people lathering up in the ignorance and lapping up what the CDC and Big Pharma tell them. The issue is that there are many children that are affected but this fact is not acknowledged. The issue is that something like 80% of adverse reactions are not reported by doctors making the data unreliable. There are many potential problems that we are ignorant of but the party line is as you stated... few exceptions, get vaccinated, no worries... ouch, an adverse reaction? We have no idea what caused it but there is no way in hell it was the vaccine.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

To our non-American members: does your country seem to be entirely overrun by anti-science people too, or is that just us?

I love that line... anti-science. If those that made such claims cared about science they would find out what the rapidly rising ADHD rates are from, why so many doctors do not report adverse reactions even though it is federally mandated, why the instant mockery of those that question vaccines even though adverse reactions occur just as the CDC lists or adverse reactions occur for reasons that the doctors do not know?

THAT is really anti-science.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

It's a rising diagnosis of autism and those other things you mention. With zero evidence to tie them to vaccines it makes as much sense to blame them on the latest Transformers sequel, which is arguably a lot more credible than the vaccine theory.

I am not arguing for autism.

I would say that the first reason for higher diagnosis is poor doctors and/or because of the money gained by such a diagnosis in treatment.

I would argue that since we do not know if the higher diagnosis is because there are more children that actually have ADHD or not though, it is reasonable to question why more children are getting ADHD. We have to err on the side that the doctors can diagnose ADHD correctly, first. If they can't do that then that makes their conclusions that vaccines are not correlated to ADHD even worse.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

I love that line... anti-science. If those that made such claims cared about science they would find out what the rapidly rising ADHD rates are from, why so many doctors do not report adverse reactions even though it is federally mandated, why the instant mockery of those that question vaccines even though adverse reactions occur just as the CDC lists or adverse reactions occur for reasons that the doctors do not know?

THAT is really anti-science.

In support of vaccinations: the medical community. Against vaccinations: non-doctors and a Playboy model.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Ockham

There are all types of condoms - there aren't all types of measles vaccines though. I guess those with severe latex allergies just have to hope they can orgasm before their throat swells up and go into cardiac arrest.

Or they can wear one of the many different types of condoms you were mentioning before. And for the record there are variety of different methods to get the vaccine that someone might be allergic too.

Originally Posted by Ockham

Really? There are deaths due to vaccines of all types. The CDC even lists who should not be vaccinated for all types of things:

Risks could include everything up to and including death. The CDC even has a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I'd consider the risk of death not extremely limited... Statistics Reports

Using the statistics that you provided us from the CDC we can see that 15,684 have claimed to have been harmed or had someone die to vaccines. Out of those 15,684, 3,895 of them were compensated by the CDC for their claim. Let's say that entire 24% was right and the vaccines did more harm than good. In the same information you provided us it shows that over 2,236,678,735 vaccines were dolled out to the public. Now if we assume that the 2,236,678,735 vaccines were safe that would barely make 1% of the vaccines dangerous. Now I don't know the exact stat for this claim, but I think you have a lot better luck winning the lottery than for a vaccine to kill you.

Originally Posted by Ockham

Feel strongly about what medications are put in their body by government mandate - ie., the parent has no choice in the matter.

Most parents before vaccinations didn't have much choice in their children dying of polio either. you can fight and argue with the idea that vaccinations are 'big government' all you like. It's still wildly safer than allowing for diseases to run rampant through the Country once again.

Originally Posted by Ockham

Subjective - what you consider likely or what statistically, is considered likely... likely by ethnicity, by age, by physical observation.... I guess you believe everyone is just perfectly healthy, but hundreds of thousands are not. And that includes children. Broaden your view - not everyone is healthy nor did they have the same experiences in life you did.

Already addressed this above.

The GOP loves standards. They love standards so much, they got two of them.

Originally Posted by Hawkeye10

I say that he [Trump] is the most honest guy to come down the pike in a very long while.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

I am not arguing for autism.

I would say that the first reason for higher diagnosis is poor doctors and/or because of the money gained by such a diagnosis in treatment.

I would argue that since we do not know if the higher diagnosis is because there are more children that actually have ADHD or not though, it is reasonable to question why more children are getting ADHD. We have to err on the side that the doctors can diagnose ADHD correctly, first. If they can't do that then that makes their conclusions that vaccines are not correlated to ADHD even worse.

Why are you focusing on vaccines as cause instead of, well, anything else at all?