tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post4076683354744881897..comments2015-08-02T17:11:39.108-04:00Comments on the joy of sox: Clemens Signs With Yankees For $28,000,000allanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-46594010885680100982007-05-07T17:45:00.000-04:002007-05-07T17:45:00.000-04:00You said he was either "such a comedian" or "such ...<I>You said he was either "such a comedian" or "such a fool".<BR/><BR/>Now ... is that worse than wishing someone was still a Yankees fan?<BR/><BR/>We need a ruling.</I><BR/><BR/>OK, I'll rule. :)L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-77096546411273025412007-05-07T15:12:00.000-04:002007-05-07T15:12:00.000-04:00This might actually be a good thing for the Red So...This might actually be a good thing for the Red Sox. I'm actually looking forward to his first outing a Fenway. This could fuel the fire between these two teams again. They seem to be playing to "nice" lately. Hope this heat's things up a bit. I know it will fan wise at least. Funny, I was saying to my wife "we don't need him" right before Schilling came on and said the same thing. I'd gladly keep our rotation just the way it is and not have this ridiculous distraction.joebasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02980555604162717899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-66181553070136634142007-05-07T14:53:00.000-04:002007-05-07T14:53:00.000-04:00Irony, oh irony....."I still have people that I do...Irony, oh irony.....<BR/><BR/>"I still have people that I don't want to let down. Cash, Mr. Steinbrenner ... I don't want to let the people down," Clemens told reporters in New York. "It's my nature. It's the way I've been brought up."Matthewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04973374311591579586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-31267924728455865262007-05-07T10:20:00.000-04:002007-05-07T10:20:00.000-04:00personally attackedYou said he was either "such a ...<I>personally attacked</I><BR/><BR/>You said he was either "such a comedian" or "such a fool".<BR/><BR/>Now ... is that worse than wishing someone was still a Yankees fan?<BR/><BR/>We need a ruling.<BR/><BR/>(Sean is entitled to believe William is the best pitcher in baseball. I don't think the facts show that -- he wouldn't be the first arm I'd chose to build a team around -- plus I'd like to read his argument, but it's an opinion. ... Oh, did I mention that Dice had four straight ERAs below 3.00 before coming to Boston, making him a super great freaking pitcher?)redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-14653137339675915772007-05-07T08:55:00.000-04:002007-05-07T08:55:00.000-04:00So, what's the over/under on Clemens getting injur...So, what's the over/under on Clemens getting injured?<BR/><BR/>Will he end up getting hit by a pitch in his first game or will he last more than five?Pokerwolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06087637119337918275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-46150311754331854202007-05-07T08:27:00.000-04:002007-05-07T08:27:00.000-04:00But this, to me, is all about "baseball" asshole-n...<I>But this, to me, is all about "baseball" asshole-ness. </I><BR/><BR/>Jere, that's a great way to put it. <BR/><BR/>As I said, I don't hate Clemens the way you and Allan do, but this perfectly explains the difference between two very different issues.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-75980004861967613152007-05-07T08:24:00.000-04:002007-05-07T08:24:00.000-04:00I love being personally attacked. This is a person...<I>I love being personally attacked. </I><BR/><BR/>This is a personal attack? Yeesh.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-29742450889440611202007-05-07T00:45:00.000-04:002007-05-07T00:45:00.000-04:00Sean: Re: Lugo vs Clemens. The difference is, it's...Sean: Re: Lugo vs Clemens. The difference is, it's not like all of us who didn't want Roger all specifically wanted Lugo to come to the Sox back when he was on the D-Rays. But we don't decide who comes to the team. When I heard we got Lugo, I thought, Oh, now we've got this guy who once hit his wife, that's shitty. I even recently posted a pic I took of him on my blog, and titled it "enddomesticviolence.jpg". <BR/><BR/>But this, to me, is all about "baseball" asshole-ness. You know what I mean? Lugo and lots of other guys may have done shitty things, but regardless of all of it, I'm rooting for the Sox to win. So, yes, I would've had to root for Roger if he'd come to us. But he's worse than Lugo, baseball-wise. Being on the Sox and then going to the Yanks, having the nerve to only pitch when it's convenient for you, not going on road trips, etc., is the "wife-beating" of baseball.<BR/><BR/>Just trying to explain it the way I see it.Jerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-62679212122338359432007-05-06T23:20:00.000-04:002007-05-06T23:20:00.000-04:00Sean, you are such a comedian.Either that, or you ...<I>Sean, you are such a comedian.<BR/><BR/>Either that, or you are such a fool. You decide.</I><BR/><BR/>I love being personally attacked. I wish you were still a Yankee fan.Seanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07965480927483549287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-27980869927433582132007-05-06T22:55:00.000-04:002007-05-06T22:55:00.000-04:00If I did my calculations right and with no rainout...If I did my calculations right and with no rainouts or anything....<BR/><BR/>If Clemens makes his debut June 3rd vs. Schilling at Fenway 8:05 Sunday night on ESPN.....<BR/><BR/>It makes for great television......9caseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-60222639247590895442007-05-06T21:54:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:54:00.000-04:00I agree about the contract, but if Colorado picks ...I agree about the contract, but if Colorado picks up 1/3 would prefer 1/2. Then I think it would be a good addition. Plus this year he has made a good comeback. <BR/><BR/>Splits show .344 /.459 /.508 away games. .375/.524/.375 2 outs risp. .476/.667/.571 Late and close this year. Those are very good numbers and better than his career numbers. <BR/><BR/>Lowell doesn't even approach these numbers (except in slugging).s1chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08012981832351433952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-39169514111645501852007-05-06T21:32:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:32:00.000-04:00No, he still has two arms!!Helton: I wrote a littl...No, he still has two arms!!<BR/><BR/>Helton: I wrote a little about him in <A HREF="http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2007/01/red-soxrockies-discussing-helton.html" REL="nofollow">late January</A>. His production has dropped each of the last 4 years, but is still decent.<BR/><BR/>$: $16.6 in each of 2007-08-09-10, $19.1 in 2011 and either $23 or a $4.6 buyout in 2012.<BR/><BR/>Bad contract!redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-90741081191887134822007-05-06T21:29:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:29:00.000-04:00OK, I exaggerated about Clemens's IP. Stupid numbe...OK, I exaggerated about Clemens's IP. Stupid numbers. :)<BR/><BR/>(So has it happened yet?)L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-31382142979924311482007-05-06T21:25:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:25:00.000-04:00Cakey makes an excellent point. He can't go more t...<I>Cakey makes an excellent point. He can't go more than 5 innings. Proctor's arm should fall off by the break.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=clemero02&t=p&year=2006" REL="nofollow">In 19 starts last year</A>:<BR/><BR/>Less than 5 innings: 0<BR/><BR/>5 innings: 6 times (3 of those in September (tired?))<BR/><BR/>6 or 6.1 innings: 7 times<BR/><BR/>7 innings: 5 times<BR/><BR/>More than 7: 0<BR/><BR/>He threw more than 100 pitches in only 9 of 19 starts.<BR/><BR/>He's another year older -- turns 45 on August 4 -- but he was more than a 5-inning pitcher in the NL last year. The AL will tax him a bit more.<BR/><BR/>(We said that about Proctor last year.)redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-75491350609931718792007-05-06T21:18:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:18:00.000-04:00Cakey makes an excellent point. He can't go more t...Cakey makes an excellent point. He can't go more than 5 innings. Proctor's arm should fall off by the break.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-16064197220880305682007-05-06T21:16:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:16:00.000-04:00And FB will still be able to fly home when he's no...And FB will still be able to fly home when he's not starting, skip short road trips if he's not scheduled, etc. (way to support your teammates, Rog!).<BR/><BR/>Sounds like the behaviour of a .... DIVA!redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-14861935554528945272007-05-06T21:11:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:11:00.000-04:00Zenslinger said... Although there is his OBP and r...Zenslinger said... <BR/><I>Although there is his OBP and run-scoring advantage to think of. Hitting 2nd in front of Papi-Manny...that's a lot of runs. (Helton's OBP at the moment is .527 -- that's an OPS of 1.067 with the help of only two HRs.)</I><BR/><BR/>If you have a line up of Youkilis, Helton, Ortiz, Manny, Drew, Tek, Lugo, Crisp, Pedroia. I think it would be explosive. The first 5 would provide OBP, Power, RBI's in bunches. Plus you get a gold glove at first. <BR/><BR/>The bottom three would be able to play small ball, etc. If you are committed to Lugo leading off then you have Youkilis batting sixth, Tek, Crisp and Pedroia. My concern is you have just under 1/4 of the games being less than 3 runs and the sox are 1-6 in those games. If you go to 4 runs counting today, the sox are 4 and 4. Half of the games they score 4 or less runs. <BR/><BR/>The offense needs to get in gear! Pitching wins games, but at least 1/3 of the time you are not going to get good pitching.s1chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08012981832351433952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85352540535860042232007-05-06T21:10:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:10:00.000-04:00This is gonna kill their bullpen.This is gonna kill their bullpen.CaKeYhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09468864363827558756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-83708308659957452482007-05-06T21:02:00.000-04:002007-05-06T21:02:00.000-04:00Clemens said in his press conference that his big ...<I>Clemens said in his press conference that his big reasons for coming back were, Mr. Torre and Jetes and all the friends he still has on this team...</I><BR/><BR/>But you don't believe that, do you? You can't believe a word of that man's mouth. <BR/><BR/>Jetes. Yeah.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>Re Lugo, for a domestic violence case to even make it to court, it has to meet a very high standard or no prosecution will touch it. Many abused women can't go through with it and end up recanting. One doesn't have to have been there. One need only know something about abusive relationships and the legal system to be fairly certain of how this went down.<BR/><BR/>As for a jury's acquittal, I have two words: O J.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-86240860906902388852007-05-06T20:55:00.000-04:002007-05-06T20:55:00.000-04:00Another contest: When will he first go on IR, or h...Another contest: When will he first go on IR, or how many days will he be on it?Bartmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06809097953780642925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-61418750875851578202007-05-06T20:46:00.000-04:002007-05-06T20:46:00.000-04:00Zen, all very good points.......The yankees are be...Zen, all very good points.......The yankees are better today then they were yesterday.<BR/><BR/>Clemens said in his press conference that his big reasons for coming back were, Mr. Torre and Jetes and all the friends he still has on this team.......He also added during the game broadcast that there was one main reason he came back to New York and he will say at the end of the year what it was.......My guess is that it had something to Steinbrenner......<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see how Theo reacts to this move.......Not that he has to do someting....but you have to imagine he will..<BR/><BR/>I also think someone in the starting 9 will go before the trading deadline, and also one of our young stud pitchers..Just to add a bat whether It happens or not who knows.......<BR/><BR/>I can see them adding Tori Hunter or Helton.......So I would assume that would leave Crisp, Lowell, Youklis and Pena all vulnerable...<BR/><BR/>I think we need another bat..<BR/><BR/>And Sean this is for you:<BR/><BR/>(Taken from espn.com)<BR/>"I was very upset, confused,'' Mabely Lugo said of an April 30 argument she had with her husband at Minute Maid Park. "He wasn't at fault<BR/><BR/>This from the sporting news:<BR/>She testified she exaggerated the story and he didn't mean to hurt her during an April 30 argument at Minute Maid Park. <BR/><BR/>Mabely Lugo let out a big sigh and smiled when the jury returned the verdict after deliberating for 35 minutes. Lugo's mother, Rhina Lugo, hugged her son's wife as she began crying. <BR/><BR/>But sean if you were there I am sorry for in advance for assuming you just read all that stuff about him and assumed he was guilty....<BR/><BR/>Like most people do when it concerns athletes and people in the public eye.<BR/><BR/>I am not saying he did or didn't do it I just know that a jury of six aguitted him........<BR/><BR/>But if you want to run with all year so be it...........Have fun!!9caseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-20831413315921469672007-05-06T20:29:00.000-04:002007-05-06T20:29:00.000-04:00I'm on the fence about Helton. Of course, it's not...I'm on the fence about Helton. Of course, it's not just a matter of improving the offense by "adding Helton" -- you only get the difference between Helton and whoever he replaces. If the trade configuration is still the same, that means Lowell. And even with Todd's current .390, the difference isn't huge. Power's about the same. You figure Helton will hit .320 for the year, Lowell will hit .280, similar power numbers. Sure, it's an improvement in the short term, but not a massive one. Although there is his OBP and run-scoring advantage to think of. Hitting 2nd in front of Papi-Manny...that's a lot of runs. (Helton's OBP at the moment is .527 -- that's an OPS of 1.067 with the help of only two HRs.)<BR/><BR/>Then there's the next five years to think about. I'm sure Helton will hang in there, but five years leave a lot of room for regret when a guy's going to be 39 at the end of it.Zenslingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06040836002694584468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-32716537078436320032007-05-06T19:54:00.000-04:002007-05-06T19:54:00.000-04:00I think Roger has a good idea of whether or not he...I think Roger has a good idea of whether or not he can come back and be pretty good. If he didn't think he could, he wouldn't bother. But I do see him being a half-step behind where he has been in the last couple of years, and between that and coming to the AL, he'll be in the 3.5 - 4 ERA range for the year.<BR/><BR/>There's nothing wrong with that if you pitch every time and bring significant intangibles (i.e., hope) with you. The Yankees don't need lights-out pitching; they need decent, reliable pitching, which is why Zito would have been good for them.<BR/><BR/>So Clemens is going to be a plus for New York, unless he gets injured. It's just a question of how big a plus. It doesn't exactly terrify me. Even if he's effective, he's only one pitcher. Moose could still break down and Wang have his off days and Petite could yet go down with an injury.<BR/><BR/>I admit that it puts a damper on my dreams of the Yankees not making the playoffs at all, but we can still beat them if we stay healthy.Zenslingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06040836002694584468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-16528977696929864832007-05-06T19:24:00.000-04:002007-05-06T19:24:00.000-04:00i prolly would too. unless i had a loyal fan base,...i prolly would too. unless i had a loyal fan base, the difference in money was basically the difference between buying that villa in the south of france or a flat in north london, and i swore never to go to the team that is my team's arch-rival. but all other times i would go fer shure.thatdietcokegirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04657659934096745186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-69387503713475872122007-05-06T19:23:00.000-04:002007-05-06T19:23:00.000-04:00it just seems that more often than not, it's about...<I>it just seems that more often than not, it's about the dollars. </I><BR/><BR/>That's the world we live in - all of us. Most of us would like to earn more money for doing the same work. Most of us would work for the company that paid us the most, not another company that offered us less.<BR/><BR/>Ballplayers are no different than anyone else in that respect - except that they give us the great game of baseball. People in the entertainment biz earn way more money for crap products that contribute nothing.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.com