Just got my latest issue of TIME Magazine - there is mention in the various cover articles that Vegans will not eat honey because the production process oppresses the worker bees.....can someone with more knowledge of this stance please explain to me how a worker bee can be oppressed ? Thanks.

they are oppressed because we evil humans are stealing their honey, thus exploiting them. They are doing our bidding and we are taking the fruits of their labour without compensating them...

at least, that's how I understand it.

(yes, this kind of is a troll, I s'pose, but dangit, it's really what I get from the situation. So it's a statement of opinion that resembles a troll. And yes, I have no knowledge of the stance of the vegans, thus, my post was completely pointless, really...).

gonna build a giant drill and bore straight into hell releasing ancient demons from their sleep-forever spell so they can walk upon the earth and get recituated and run the diet pill pyramid that MC Pee Pants has created

milk [from cows], eggs [from chickens], gell capped pills [contains gelitan], and the like are all animal products...vegans won't touch them, and if you see a vegan wearing real leather, bitch slap them...

vegitarians just don't eat meat.

You can't fire a gun in a confined space! What are you tring to do, make us deaf?!""Just get out of the chopper.""What?""Get out of the chopper!""The crops!?" - Jack Lemmon and James Garner, "My Fellow Americans", and the reason I say "The crops?" instead of "Huh?"

Vegans are a little goofy. I agree with most of what they have to say until you take it to extreme levels like that. Hell, I'd probably be a vegitarian myself if I had any kind of willpower. ("But bacon tastes GOOD. But pork chops taste GOOD.")

I don't know, though. I had a good friend in high school who was a really hardcore vegan, and even she never mentioned the honey thing...

"I'm a level 5 Vegan - I don't eat anything that casts a shadow"...

"The only difference between lilies and turds are those humankind have agreed upon, and I don't always agree."---George Carlin

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music."---Anon.

I used to process website orders for a cosmetics company that was "animal friendly". That means that they dont personally test any of their products on animals, but they do contain ingredients that were tested on animals decades ago.

So because of our "Animal Friendly" status, I would get a lot of calls from Vegans asking if we used real animal hair in our brushes (no), or honey in the lipstick (yes, almost all lipstick contains honey). Actually, between you and me, cosmetic products contain a lot of nasty-sounding animal parts/products you wouldnt believe. But you didnt hear that from me.

Anywho, I said all that to say this:

I even had a few people who would call me looking for places to buy our make-up from that didnt also sell furs BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO SUPPORT ANY ESTABLISHMENT THAT ALSO SOLD *ANYTHING* ANIMAL-RELATED.

There are some who take this to the extreme (mostly in India) who wear masks to avoid breathing bugs or microorganisms, and sweep the ground in front of them to avoid stepping on worms or insects. Also, they will only eat fruit that has already fallen from a tree, and refuse to eat anything that had to die to become food.

Of course, that's for religion, and I can understand that. Every vegan I know is a hippie trying to feel morally superior. It's fun to put meat in their food when they aren't looking! They get SOOOOO pissed when you tell them!

So I'm bouncing around the Interweb, and I happen to come across this link: Click Here (post-gazette.com) Now, although the story involves a political figure, I'm not looking at it from that perspective.