Fix Survive with Friends

It is breaking the game, it is unfair, it is unfun, and your supposedly all about people having fun. But that's only for survivors right? Because a critical role to have your game work doesn't matter, I'm sure your already working on bots so when all the killers leave you won't have to even pretend to care about them. I hope Hide or Die blows you all out of the water, because I am tired of this BS, SWF has been a problem for far too long with no solutions even offered by the devs or mods or anyone.

THey should at least let the killer know who is in and how many people are in the swf group in the lobby. Its only fair if the survivors get to play together, the killer should get to know it. Its exclusionary to the killer because you can't bring any freinds along to play with you. So why do survivors get to do it? It breaks the game, it was never meant to be in, and it was the beggining of survivor entitlment and the devs bowing backwards for them.

It's usually pretty obvious when the SWFs are co-ordinated AF, are overly alturistic, or all survivors T-bag you because apparently using a third party program to gain an unfair advantage as well as using some of the most overpowered add-ons and perks gives you a big e-peen.

Most SWF is literally not even playing the game, just screwing around, other times they are carrying there friends, they are also potatos half the time, and finally sometimes on an occasion they are good, not broken whatsoever

Sure lets balance survivors around the minority that plays "SWAT squad 4man swf", that certainly won't make more casual players feel like they have to do so as well. Not to mention solo survivors.

Lets balance killers around the assumption that they're all omegablink ebony mori nurses too, that sure won't screw every other killer in the game over or anything. I mean, they COULD pick that exact loadout, so better safe than sorry right?

@Orion you're completely right, which is why DBD isn't intended as an eSports-tier competitive game. There's add-ons, perks, killers and playstyles that are clearly stronger than others, and the assymetrical nature means that I honestly can't see how they could change that.

I'll readily admit I don't know what they SHOULD do, the often mentioned path of closing the gap between stuff like solos and swf and then changing killers that need it is really the only way that doesn't feel like a knee-jerk bandaid solution.

Yeah, I know, a lot easier said than done obviously, but really, the goal itself is quite simple.

Really, the whole deal with SWF is an annoying one. It's needed to keep the game alive, but at the same time, it makes the game hemorrhage players. Good for the game short term and makes the game suffer long term.

SWF death squads suck. Good thing they are rare. Most SWF groups are highly uncoordinated, spend most of the game laughing at each other, and there is a decent chance you will have that one idiot trying to sandbag his/her friends just because that is what he/she does.

Part of the issue with SWFs is they impact people differently, and people don't recognize that most times.

It will not be the same for a veteran that has every perk at rank 3, and enough bloodpoints to do the same almost instantly for any new killer as it will be for someone who plays less and has a random assortment of perks that aren't all rank 3.

Naturally it will be easier for the former, and harder for the latter.

I have a lot of problems with SWF, I'll i'm asking is to know when I'm going against them. I would prefer even more then that, but a little something would be nice. And not even arguiging that its unbalanced (which it is) but that again its unfair, it encourages more people to play survivor because they can play with friends, but a killer has to go it alone. And there is KYF, but that requires a group of five, which not everyone has the ability to do. And if the devs where really about making the game more fun for everyone, they would do something about SWF. But @Sairek is right, the devs only look at the short term and don't seem to be doing anything to keep the game going in the long term.

@RicardiBacardi Hardly any killer will want to play with SWF if that were the case, and any that does will just always use their sweatiest loadouts. Plus it'll make everyone's queue slower.

Why would SWF players want to keep playing the game?

@Sairek SWF came out a month after the game's release and they already said they planned to have it. They aim for 50/50 kill-survive ratios and their data has SWF survival rates averaged in. The game has been balanced for SWF, even if it's been an afterthought for many concepts and at the expense of killers and solo survivors.

But I agree with you. They need to encourage SWF as a baseline because nothing's going to work otherwise.

The higher the rank, the higher the chances you'll face "SWF death squads". While mid-rank killers don't play against them too often, high rank killers face them frequently and mostly resort to playing Nurse and Billy.

The game needs to get balanced for SWF. Give solos more information and buff killers. Buffing killers can also be achieved by introducing another objective for survivors.

And all killers need to get buffed. A lot of people are consciously not playing in high ranks because of the lack of killer variety.

How the [BAD WORD] is SWF breaking the game? How is it unfair? People want to play together. LET THEM PLAY TOGETHER. Its not unfair. You just want the game to be all about the killers winning the game by being able to easily kill everyone. You made another post basically saying you want survivors to be nerfed to [BAD WORD] and to have maps redone so they favor only killers. Are you THAT BAD at playing killer? Like, seriously?!?! I do agree with you when you said that they should at least implement a thing that tells killers what survivors are in SWF. But everything else, its just you being a crybaby because you don't 4k. If you don't like how the game is (it really seems like you don't like a lot of things about this game, like.. A LOT, you want the game to favor killers, while having survivors be their little bitches) don't play!

The Devs are never going to punish people for playing with their friends.

If they do decide to put a marker on who is a SWF in the lobby, it shouldnt show up until the final countdown of the match. That way, the killers wont just dodge every swf lobby and it would force the killer to DC and waste his time/offerings/etc for lobby dodging. SWF matchmaking already takes a long time as is, if they get dodged everytime just because people play together, theyd never get a game.

I get peoples arguments that not all SWF groups are necessarily good. However, at rank 1 they almost always are a nightmare alpha squad. Those groups just goofing around and making stupid saves for each other are generally at lower ranks. I can also tell they're SWF because you see the same people over and over coming into your lobbies with each other multiple times back to back.

All the devs need to do is to help aid killers against SWF. Starting with a simple indicator to show how many SWF are in the lobby. So Killers can have a good amount of Info just like the survivors can.

"BuT KiLleRs wILL dOGe" As if they aren't already. They can easily work around that and extend the cooldown before opening a new lobby etc etc.