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Topic Review (Newest First)

10-14-2012 05:45 AM

pejerrey

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgan

Milwaukee - highest price tool , built to last
Dewalt / Makita - again high priced and well built
Bosch - trades man / diy border line , well built

The rest imo are cheap imitations lol

I think not a single brand make all their tools as good.
Some brands are good at cordless 18v, some at corded, some at saws, and for shop stationary tools like delta, general, time savers, etc its even more true.

You can get all ADA about this and get all your tools from the same brand and get their jacket, gloves and hat.

The truth is that when you are freelancing and working with contracts and budgets, price and quality needs to be balanced.

If it was the case to buy the best of the most expensive then go get FESTOOL, I've used them all and their $500 drill made holes as well as my 18v RYOBI for 1/10 of the price and I let the other guys a the jobsite borrow it, unlike my friend with his unpopular FESTOOL. Geez, the $1200 festool plunge circular saw and it's rail we're awesome but I made a $10 jig with plywood for my makita.

10-14-2012 01:12 AM

GraphicGr8s

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgan

Milwaukee - highest price tool , built to last
Dewalt / Makita - again high priced and well built
Bosch - trades man / diy border line , well built

The rest imo are cheap imitations lol

With all due respect generalities in general are too general.
Porter Cable makes some darn god tools. What about in stationary tools? Laguna is a cheap imitation? Powermatic too? Delta makes some dynamite tools also. Well they did not sure since they've been sold again.

And all of the best companies have had some duds. Some of them just don't feel right in your hand. That's why the tool tests magazines do are so important when laying out a fair amount of money for a tool. All of the tools out there will work and most will last an average woodworker a long time. The tests tell you about the accuracy, ease of adjustments, bit changes, blade changes, how they feel, etc. In the compact router test Dewalt and PC stood out. Dewalt came in first because of ease of adjustment (among other things) over the other brands. One thing the PC lacked was variable speed. Dewalt had it.

And the cheap imitations have their place. Like my air stapler. I needed it for one job. Recovering some chairs. Normally would have bought P-C. But it didn't make sense. I paid $25 for it. I used it for the chairs, put up aluminum fascia and more and it's still going. Does it feel as good in my hand as my P C? Do I think it will last as long as a P C? God no. But for $25 it did more than I expected.

BTW my B&D single speed non reversing corded drill still is going. My father bought it at least 40 years ago and used the hell out of it. So did I for a while. And I am still using it with my Kreg jig.
Generally generalities in general are too general.

Nubster, Craftsman mechanic tools are great. I've rebuilt many engines with mine. But there are time with the new engines where the thickness of the metal on a Craftsman open end will prevent you from getting the nut off. Snap Ons are much thinner and stronger. Fortunately I can walk down to the neighbor and borrow his snap ons for those occasions.

10-14-2012 12:43 AM

Nubster

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgan

The rest imo are cheap imitations lol

Maybe but my B&D did last nearly 10 years until it recently bit the dust and that was due to a 15 foot fall off a ladder on to concrete. Not the first time, this time was just the one that finally finished the job.

10-13-2012 09:49 PM

morgan

Milwaukee - highest price tool , built to last
Dewalt / Makita - again high priced and well built
Bosch - trades man / diy border line , well built

The rest imo are cheap imitations lol

10-13-2012 09:43 PM

Nubster

Own and prefer are two different things. I own some Black and Decker cordless stuff. It's been good to me. I will only buy 18v tools. That said, in my construction days, I used Dewalt and Mikita and they were both great. I'd prefer tools of that quality, but my budget doesn't allow it and honestly, I don't need those higher end tool. Hand tools, same deal, Craftsman has been decent but I've recently started switch to Kobalt stuff. The ergonomics are much better. Would I like a garage full of MAC or Snap-on? Sure. But I don't need it and it would be a waste of money for me to buy tools that expensive for no more than I use them.

OP:
Please make sure to get properly trained to use power tools, there is many ways to get seriously hurt. Safety first!

I'd still recommend the compact router over a full size to start out. Wood magazine did a review this month and the Dewalt was the first choice even over the P-C. The P-C doesn't have variable speed. It will do most of what routing a person would normally do and is better on smaller projects. I have 3.25hp plunge and rarely ever use it. Even if it wasn't a plunge I probably still wouldn't use it. Way too heavy for anything but a table mount. My 690s handle most of my work. Including raised panels and arched doors.

The plunge I do use but on a smaller router. If you're not using it your not doing any mortises or plunge routing. I do both. A mortise and tenon is a far superior joint to most any other.
I'd never recommend a recip either. I've got a couple and rarely use either one. And I've never used one for cabinet making or woodworking only use it when putting up buildings. More for taking them down though.

Just wondering what brand power tools you prefer. I am just now starting to work on building up a collection of power tools (and of course hand tools). I am about to make another purchase because I am going to be building a couple stands for my tank and I am not quite sure which brand to go with.

well u really need to ask what am i looking to get out of it? makitas are nice for home use but they dont do what a similar dewalt does power wise, but they make up for that in size. i have something from just about every one of those brands an every single one has its -/+. hell i still got 3 combo kits of dewalt and one very large makita.

got the makita for home use and went into construction did fine but everyone has dewalt so its nice to use batteries that are all around and the dewalts just had more power, i didnt like to say that but first hand proof was there.

so if its for home use like i think your prob going to use it 95% for then get whatever is in your price range. fyi dont go with the white makita there a step down from the normal stuff, shop around i have found some sick deals i got two of my dewalt kits for $230ish for a 4pack was on sale.

another thing to do is check the battery dates sucks having them go out and there not cheap. i normally look for them to be 6-12months old max they can/do degrade with time.

to kevmo idk if they do have "seconds" for sales or at least i dont think they do or havent heard of them doing it so far.

You know... I think about 18v drill and impact driver as hammers. You can pay more for a brand that will do the same thing but will hurt more if broken or stolen as they get borrowed a lot.

I dropped my RYOBI impact driver from 24' ladder and it didn't hurt (still works) but if it was an expensive makita I would have suffered.

There is other power tools you wanna have good quality from a performance and safety point of view, like a table saw or a skill saw (circular saw for mr. Right word ) but not impact and drill IMO. Specially if this is not for work.

10-13-2012 07:11 AM

pejerrey

Quote:

Originally Posted by GraphicGr8s

i want that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's 246.75 hp more than my biggest router.

If I were starting over or a newbie now I'd look more at a compact router first instead of a full size. I would be looking at the Dewalt 611 pk because it has a fixed base and plunge. Once you use a plunge you'll wonder how you did it before.

By recip are you talking a sabre saw or a "Sawzall"?

The large "sawzall" is referred to as a recip or reciprocating saw while the small one is correctly a sabre saw although many call it a jigsaw.

Lol! Meant 2.5hp

Plunge? I rarely used that, I would just get the porter cable. With smaller routers you end up frustrated at some point as if you got a 12v cordless drill or something! Lol

OP:
Please make sure to get properly trained to use power tools, there is many ways to get seriously hurt. Safety first!

10-13-2012 03:09 AM

GraphicGr8s

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmo911

I don't know the answer to this, so it's an honest question. This is a copied statement from the first section of the warranty information, for persons who are considering purchasing refurbished power tools:

What Is Not Covered
This warranty applies only to the original purchaser at retail and may not be transferred.

Does this apply to you or not?

And, even if it does, do you really want an item that s**t the bed before you even got your hands on it?

One other thing - I've heard, and read, that the power tools manufactured specifically for sale at Home Depot and Lowes, and other chain stores, are made from substandard materials. I don't know this to be fact, but if anybody else can shed light on the subject, I'd appreciate it. My wallet thanks you in advance.

The warranty applies.

It's not that they're made from substandard parts but theyare cheapened out. Motors with fewer windings, etc. That from a factory rep for PC.

I don't know the answer to this, so it's an honest question. This is a copied statement from the first section of the warranty information, for persons who are considering purchasing refurbished power tools:

What Is Not Covered
This warranty applies only to the original purchaser at retail and may not be transferred.

Does this apply to you or not?

And, even if it does, do you really want an item that s**t the bed before you even got your hands on it?

One other thing - I've heard, and read, that the power tools manufactured specifically for sale at Home Depot and Lowes, and other chain stores, are made from substandard materials. I don't know this to be fact, but if anybody else can shed light on the subject, I'd appreciate it. My wallet thanks you in advance.

10-13-2012 02:38 AM

GraphicGr8s

Quote:

Originally Posted by pejerrey

this is quality for a jobsite.affordable enough to be used by an occasional crafty person.

- rigid or porter cable 250hp router

i want that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's 246.75 hp more than my biggest router.

If I were starting over or a newbie now I'd look more at a compact router first instead of a full size. I would be looking at the Dewalt 611 pk because it has a fixed base and plunge. Once you use a plunge you'll wonder how you did it before.

By recip are you talking a sabre saw or a "Sawzall"?

The large "sawzall" is referred to as a recip or reciprocating saw while the small one is correctly a sabre saw although many call it a jigsaw.