The spin generation is good, but it was not quite as good as V-Torque. The string did not feel as slick and string moved around a bit right from the start due to the ridges created by the twist in the string. I would say generates about average amount of spin compared to other polys that I have used on this racquet.

Power: Medium

A bit more power than V-Torque. But again, nothing of note.

Comfort: Medium

The comfort is better than V-Torque, not quite a stiff, but not cushy soft like Sidewinder. It is pretty average in feel.

Durability: Medium

It lasted slightly longer than V-Torque and I did not notice too much notching until the very end. The string never moved too much before breaking, and spin generation was acceptable right up to breakage.

Decent, but nothing special. I would only get this string if it was on special.

Thanks for this thread: thought I'd list my history with this if someone finds it helpful, although I'm not at a conclusion yet. For reference, I now have the 105S, but came from a modded KSurge. They are both tweener racquets that feel the same to me, except for the spin/trajectory, and larger sweetspot on the 105S. I hit my 2nd serves around 75-80, and I think that stat is important for this discussion, because 2nd serves do a lot of string "damage". What I have found in general is that strings notch about half way through very quickly, and then sit there for awhile, having lost the ability to move. Thus, the magic is gone, but the racquet plays on, similar to a standard racquet. When I say quickly, 17(16L) gauge strings like Lux4G, Enduro Pro, and Cyclone only take 2-3 hours to notch half-way through. That compares with about 20 hours on my KSurge. I can't really live with that, so I'm trying combinations with Spin Cycle as a few have recommended. I'll probably have to go to 16 gauge or thicker though, I'm just worried about a loss in spin and control. If I find a better combination, I'll post it, but will monitor this thread for ideas.

Thanks for this thread: thought I'd list my history with this if someone finds it helpful, although I'm not at a conclusion yet. For reference, I now have the 105S, but came from a modded KSurge. They are both tweener racquets that feel the same to me, except for the spin/trajectory, and larger sweetspot on the 105S. I hit my 2nd serves around 75-80, and I think that stat is important for this discussion, because 2nd serves do a lot of string "damage". What I have found in general is that strings notch about half way through very quickly, and then sit there for awhile, having lost the ability to move. Thus, the magic is gone, but the racquet plays on, similar to a standard racquet. When I say quickly, 17(16L) gauge strings like Lux4G, Enduro Pro, and Cyclone only take 2-3 hours to notch half-way through. That compares with about 20 hours on my KSurge. I can't really live with that, so I'm trying combinations with Spin Cycle as a few have recommended. I'll probably have to go to 16 gauge or thicker though, I'm just worried about a loss in spin and control. If I find a better combination, I'll post it, but will monitor this thread for ideas.

I like Spin Cycle in there a lot but I probably don't put as much on a second serve as you do. I am currently using Pro's Pro Intense Heat in there and love it.....it is not shaped or twisted so notching is not as quick. It slides back and forth on itself very easily and I have gotten 12-14 hours before it was staying out of position a little too much for my liking.

Cool, thread. I can contribute - the Wilson Ripspin is not very good. Bad feel and just doesn't accent the racquet at all (99s).

Next up is Prince XC 15 gauge and I may try Cyberflash 1.35 as well.

Totally agree, I used Ripspin in the 105s and hated it, no feel and horrible spin production. I found it funny that they were marketing this stuff for the 16x15 patterns yet Spin Cycle is better in there.

For those of you who want to try a non-poly setup, you should try Ashaway Monogut ZX 1.27 mains with Gamma Marathon 15L crosses at 66 lbs (maybe higher for the Steams). On my Prince Tour 98 ESP, it's on 5.5 hours and still going. I'm predicting it might get 8. Hard to say right now, but the crosses still look good with some signs of wear at this point and the mains look fresh. Full bed ZX lasted me less than 2 sets, so it seems to need a soft cross to last long. I tried ZX/multi setups with PPA and DNA, but multis fray too quickly. Marathon seems to work better overall. For reference, I tried full Pro Line X 16 and it lasted 5.5 hours for me.

You do give up some spin compared to poly, but on my 98 ESP I still hit some angles that are impossible with most racquets.

Wow, that pro's pro string is very inexpensive! Did I see that correctly: $36 for a full reel? Which gauge do you use in your 105S? If I could get 12-14 hours at around $2 a set I'd be happy as a clam.

Wow, that pro's pro string is very inexpensive! Did I see that correctly: $36 for a full reel? Which gauge do you use in your 105S? If I could get 12-14 hours at around $2 a set I'd be happy as a clam.

I have used a few in there as I am still playing around with them. I keep one of my 105s frames strung with Intense Heat at it's thickest gauge, I think it is 1.3 or 1.32. I string it at 48# and love it.....so in the other 105s in my bag I have done Spinox and loved the bite on the ball, amazing kick to the serve like I have never seen and even complimented by my opponents. I did not keep it in there long as it was a little stiffer then I like for single. To me, Spinox is a perfect doubles string since so many of the shots in doubles are serves and volleys. I had Red Vandetta in there for about 4-6 hours and it was a good feel but l like Intense Heat better. Just removed Vandetta for Ichiban Spin which a lot of people on here have complimented. Have not hit with it yet so no feedback from me at this point on that one.......I am really wanting to try Devil Spin in there next but don't have any, so looks like another order soon to the Big T.

BTW, The guy who runs/owns Big T is a contributor on here with the same name, he gives great feedback and is very involved. I am telling you, just like you mentioned price/hours, Pro's Pro is hard to beat for the string-eating 105s.

Pros pro strings seemed to die really fast for me, but im willing to try since reels are so cheap. I got a little confused, so let me ask. I am looking for 8-10 hours out of a setup with consistent play before breakage, and pretty good feel for a poly. To me, the ripspin was too stiff and lacked much feel at all. Which pros pro string should i try?

Pros pro strings seemed to die really fast for me, but im willing to try since reels are so cheap. I got a little confused, so let me ask. I am looking for 8-10 hours out of a setup with consistent play before breakage, and pretty good feel for a poly. To me, the ripspin was too stiff and lacked much feel at all. Which pros pro string should i try?

for the 105s Intense Heat has been the best for me, the string really slides on itself so nicely. In my opinion it has great feel and has lasted 12+ hours......but I am not a huge huge hitter. Having also tried Ripspin and hating it within the first set, I think you should start with Intense Heat. Since you are doing the 99s I would think that a good try, especially given the price.

For these rackets I suggest 14 gauge kevlar, maybe then the strings would last and these rocket launchers would have some control.

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Its rather easy to control this racquet if you know how to hit with spin properly. That is one of the selling points of it.

Its easily the most accurate tweener i have used.

Ugh, yet another post about the rocket-launching Wilson 16x15. String your racquet the right way and control your game. These frames are not hammer-technology 10+ points head-heavy frames. If you are launching balls with the 99s or even the 105s.....the YOU are launching balls, not the frame.

haha, I know. The first few hours were not bad. I'm thinking it may be better in the prince due to the softness of the frame. Plus it is also durable. So I think it's worth trying. If you had the Steam, it would be a different story.

Well, I have now tried both combinations of Spin Cycle 16L and Enduro Pro 17 in my 105S at 57#, and while both felt and played great, the strings were halfway notched within 2-3 hours. Actually, with Spin Cycle as the mains, they lost it in less than 2 hours. After a set and a half, there was a big hole in my string bed after every point that I had to straighten, and control was out the window. So running the Enduro Pro as the mains was a little better. I haven't yet tried just Spin Cycle, so that is next. I was really hopeful that pairing it up with the softer Enduro Pro would reduce notching. So far, between these combinations, pure Enduro Pro 17, Volkl Cyclone Tour 17, and Lux 4G 16L, the Lux wins at about 4-5 hours. If I were to try the lux again, I would probably drop to 55#. At least it would get me through a match, although I can't afford to spend $15-$17 every time I play tennis

Well, I have now tried both combinations of Spin Cycle 16L and Enduro Pro 17 in my 105S at 57#, and while both felt and played great, the strings were halfway notched within 2-3 hours. Actually, with Spin Cycle as the mains, they lost it in less than 2 hours. After a set and a half, there was a big hole in my string bed after every point that I had to straighten, and control was out the window. So running the Enduro Pro as the mains was a little better. I haven't yet tried just Spin Cycle, so that is next. I was really hopeful that pairing it up with the softer Enduro Pro would reduce notching. So far, between these combinations, pure Enduro Pro 17, Volkl Cyclone Tour 17, and Lux 4G 16L, the Lux wins at about 4-5 hours. If I were to try the lux again, I would probably drop to 55#. At least it would get me through a match, although I can't afford to spend $15-$17 every time I play tennis

I have found that the smooth strings notch far far less, in fact I have had no notching at all....but I only get minimal notching with Spin Cycle as I am not as aggressive. I agree that the S frames can and will be expensive in terms of stringing, but that is why I think Pro's Pro is worth the look, best dollar/hour played value.