The subsidies for alternatives average about 70 times per megawatt produced more than for fossil fuels which are only in terms of tax deductions enjoyed by most other companies. Notions to the contrary are completely incorrect and are fostered by the huge green energy lobby. We have recently given away 36 $BILLION to solar energy and electric vehicle companies which have already failed or are in process of failing. Propping up these not ready for prime time just hampers them in the long run.

$4.09 in Harvey, ND. $4.20 down the road a few miles in Drake, ND both for diesel.

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cekkk wrote:Southern Colorado has seen diesel rise from 3.50s to 4 - 4.25 this month.

You electric putt-putt owners must be gleeful today, as an appeals court said EPA had overstepped its bounds with coal regs!

Yeah but I has zero emissions from my putt putt and in 2 years hope to have one with a 200 mile battery.

Now if I could figure out when the diesel trucks were going for new ideas I'd be happy although I don't even know much about the urea stuff yet,LOL

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It must be time to go, the suns out and I've got a full tank of diesel!Lifes short enough without bitch'n about it!

Urea, ugh. Wouldn't have one with that requirement, if possible to avoid it.

No emissions? So all your juice comes from solar/wind?

Seriously, I have no beef with electric cars except where the subsidy is so large, or, as the VoIP guy says, Enormous, Huge bill for the TXPers. To paraphrase the man, "You didn't buy that. Somebody else made that payment."

They could make sense as commuters, if you live close in. I used to commute 18 miles to D.C. and 30 to Baltimore, not unusual, yet out of Volt range.

So, Dude, what's the point? None I can see, other than the car is a novelty. That's cool. I bought a Betamax, myself.

cekkk wrote:Urea, ugh. Wouldn't have one with that requirement, if possible to avoid it.

No emissions? So all your juice comes from solar/wind?

Seriously, I have no beef with electric cars except where the subsidy is so large, or, as the VoIP guy says, Enormous, Huge bill for the TXPers. To paraphrase the man, "You didn't buy that. Somebody else made that payment."

They could make sense as commuters, if you live close in. I used to commute 18 miles to D.C. and 30 to Baltimore, not unusual, yet out of Volt range.

So, Dude, what's the point? None I can see, other than the car is a novelty. That's cool. I bought a Betamax, myself.

All in fun.

Living near the D they are in the infancy of rapid transit and rail to the D Chi town and Washington did the right thing years ago but we ignored it cause we build cars here.
California was one of the few that had a "shovel ready" rail system ready sitting on a shelf completely engineered to take part in the stimulus the D had no clue.