(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote: Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

You're asking the wrong question.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims...

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote: Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

What sort of "powers" are you talking about ? Wandering, preaching "miracle" workers were a dime-a-dozen in the day he (supposedly) existed. The population believed in magic. What would deniers prove in an age where everyone bought that magic was everywhere, and apparently bought into the story that many people rose from the dead (Matthew) on Easter.

I had Madame Zelda check her crystal ball. She said he definitely did have "powers".

Insufferable know-it-all. It is objectively immoral to kill innocent babies. Please stick to the guilty babies.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims...

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?

Josephus wrote his book to prove that Vespasian (the Roman emperor) was the messiah. You sure that's a book you think you trust ? Tacitus said nothing about Jesus. He talked about members of of new cult, which, if it really did refer to Christians, he couldn't seem to spell correctly.

Insufferable know-it-all. It is objectively immoral to kill innocent babies. Please stick to the guilty babies.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims...

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?

Tacitus was born 56AD
Josephus was born 37AD

Most scholars consider Josephus' reference to Jesus to be a forgery, put in there by a Christian at a much later date.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims...

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?

There you go again...

You are assuming that they are reliable sources, when the burden is actually upon you to show that they are reliable sources. As Bucky and Inquisition have already pointed out, we have very good reasons to doubt their validity.