For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

Voiceofreason01:For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

Mugato:Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.

If he knows we're going to find intelligent alien life in 20 years, just skip all the hoops we're going to jump through in that time to get there, and thereby discover intelligent life tomorrow instead of two decades from now.

You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu

Chompachangas:You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software incoming data only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu

Voiceofreason01:Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.

Your comments reminded me of the bit in the Guide talking about how it's so big there are no imports / exports, and any people you come across are figments of your imagination, because the probability of life is so small, given the area encompassed.

Makh:We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting. So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.

On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean. It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.

Wave Of Anal Fury:Makh: We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting. So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.

On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean. It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.

That metaphor seems silly to me. More like, we searched a cup of water with a pair of binoculars, while the cup was sitting on a table a mile away.

Wave Of Anal Fury:On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean. It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.

So someone who creates a cup of water that is bright enough for us to easily find from miles away might have technology way more advanced than ours.

I would love to believe he's right. Twenty years ago we didn't even have evidence that planets existed around other stars. The chances that life exists only on earth is inconceivable to me, but it would not surprise me to learn that the closest existing civilization life is so distant or different from us that detection would be impossible.

Chompachangas:You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu

Huh, totally forgot I used to run SETI @ Home on my old PC.

Are the top crunchers still IT pros who run it on all their company's computers?

Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed. Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.

Even if Starfleet had made that incident eyes only, you'd think Checkov would have remembered the guy who tried to take over the Enterprise and start a war.

He wasn't on the Enterprise in the original Khan episode. In an interview, Walter Koenig explained that there was a point in WOK when Chekhov "remembers" Khan, but Koenig didn't want to get written out of the movie, so he didn't bring it up.

Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed. Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.

Even if Starfleet had made that incident eyes only, you'd think Checkov would have remembered the guy who tried to take over the Enterprise and start a war.

He wasn't on the Enterprise in the original Khan episode. In an interview, Walter Koenig explained that there was a point in WOK when Chekhov "remembers" Khan, but Koenig didn't want to get written out of the movie, so he didn't bring it up.

Have to rewatch TOS episode, forgot Checkov wasn't in it. I was thinking about WoK when Checkov recognizes Khan right away. He probably would have been told the story by one of his shipmates at some point.

"So this one time we found this ship full of frozen super villains..."

Voiceofreason01:Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.

There's also no proof that life isn't super common. We have no basis to argue one way or the other as we've only been looking for a few years and haven't gathered enough evidence to even guess. We can't even say with certainty that there's not life on other planets or moons in the solar system.

Voiceofreason01:Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.

The number of galaxies, not planets but galaxies out there might as well be infinite as far as we know. There's almost a zero chance that there isn't intelligent life out there. Did they break the light speed barrier and make it within our scope of perception? That's a different story.

give me doughnuts:And fusion power-plants are just 10 years away. Same as they have been for the past 40 years.

Fusion power-plants will actually be only 10 years away when we run out of oil or get so low that the petroleum industry collapses. Till then the kidnapping of children or breaking of knees will continue.

Wave Of Anal Fury:Makh: We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting. So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.

On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean. It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.

Gleeman:Chompachangas: You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu

Huh, totally forgot I used to run SETI @ Home on my old PC.

Are the top crunchers still IT pros who run it on all their company's computers?

Mugato:Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

I think this Universe is a simulation. If so, it's got to be pretty energy intensive. That means it's really, really expensive. Thinking like a human, it really doesn't make sense to duplicate an entire planet unless there's a compelling reason to do so. In other words, a likely military application. That said, if we are a simulation of real human beings in a Universe separate than ours, those running the simulation are our ancestors, they are our enemies.

And once you understand that, this farked up world makes much more sense.