Also looking at a Kel-Tec P-11 for CC, seems like a decent little pistol, seems to get decent reviews. anybody had experience with?

The shotgun will be purely home defense, a few rounds at the range monthly to keep sharp

the same goes for the P-11, but will be getting my CC permit hopefully soon.

These seem to be pretty budget friendly guns......which is good for me LOL. I just don't have the money to spend on high end stuff. I'm hoping these two are a compromise of money and quality.....any thoughts?

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Used to have one years ago, (well my family did when i lived at home)....it was nice, but it seemed a little more prone to jamming than the mossie pump we had....i wonder if they have improved since then

it had a hard time loading 3" 00 and slugs when it had the slightest bit of gunk IIRC, its been many moons ago

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Just a thought what about a Mossberg 835? its basically the same as the 500 but is chambered for 3.5" shells. Not that you shoot 3.5's a lot but it is nice to have the ability and its not much more money. My brother has a 500 and loves it. I have had two 835's and love em, shoot awesome, and they are as realiable as a hammer!

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