They voted against it of course by about a two thirds majority. After all we know that the Hungarians are very firmly on Poland's side - at present. That may well change. Orban is a slippery customer and in the end he will act in Hungary's interests, not Poland's. I'm afraid I can't remember where I found that information, I was just tootling around the internet while I was having a cup of tea. I'll see if I can locate it again later when I have time.

They can make all the threats they want. They have no teeth to enforce it. This only furthers the divide between east and west. In the end this is about the courts and rule of law anyway, the eu have up on forcing Poland to take migrants and that's good enough for me.

Poland and Hungary have a friendship going back centuries. Poles and Hungarians are closer than even Czechs and possibly even more so than lithuanians.

The poles who voted for it's own suspension ought to be tried for treason. Back in the day such traitors would be hanged

Total scum... And p.o. wonders why they have half the local support of pis...

EU parliament is hardly a national representation by countries. It just bunch of mix of MEPs representing mostly lefties. Beside the point is a fact that Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

The solidarnosc people were mostly patriots. These leftist traitors have put their loyalty into a supranational political union over their own motherland. That is shameful. Even if I disagreed with pis and I certainly often do, I would never have voted to suspends Poland's voting rights as is weakens the entire country and affects all citizens amd residents indirectly

Those are not activists they are MEPs paid by the Polish taxpayer. Poland has a democratically elected gov, is not under occupation, if they don't like something they have the right to organize a party and to convince Poles to vote for them, if they are successful they can induce their own vison in Poland. The trick is that have no enough support to do it and in a fact that the current gov has a mandate to rule for another two years.

Also is not even about voicing their opinions.This resolution and atmosphere around it makes it harder for the Polish diplomacy to get results that are good for the Polish national interest.Not to mention that if EU parliament will bring this farce to its full conclusion it would mean that all the Polish citizens are going to be penalized financially by the EU.

I understand politicking, ideological progressivism of the European establishment |(that resonate in the Democratic party), understand interest France and Germany playing to reduce EU funding to Poland due to Brexist and their costly 'migrant' policy, they looking for a pretext, and other considerations.

I don't understand and I don't want to understand people from Poland who are MEPs, some of them use to be politicians in Poland, that they see no problem in hurting the country and its citizens. They are scum in more ways than one. A higher position they held, more richer they are, more educated they are that makes them even more of a scum.

Germany and France sees Poland as they colony. They should learn the difference and their mistake should cost them direly!By the way they are commies, siding with crazy leftie progressives.Going against Poland was a treasonous offence and those people are full blown traitors.That just a fact!Sad but true.

This resolution and atmosphere around it makes it harder for the Polish diplomacy to get results that are good for the Polish national interest.

And the fact that it exists at all is due to the actions of PiS which makes Poland look, internationally, like a country that cannot be counted on to keep its word. Polish politicians voting against the PiS r4pe of the justice system increases Polish credibility rather than making look like a crummy commie country that does anything the leader of the party wants.

"If the Polish government continues to breach the rule of law & European values, financial sanctions will have to follow. However, we must find a way not to punish citizens for the wrongdoings of their government".

and after the vote:

"We will never accept any sanctions against Polish citizens themselves. It is better to divert EU money from the Polish government directly to the Polish civil society, to Polish cities, to Polish people who must never be the victims of Kaczynski´s reactionary agenda".

So that sounds fair enough. I suppose the EU will simply deal directly with various community and possibly private institutions to try to fund things at grass roots level. Could work out very well for Polish people.

Do you really think that it has anything to do with some laws, rules and such?Rights and wrongs? lol!You're very naïve.If PiS would introduce, gay marriage, all those insane progressive ideas, banned all patriotic organization, took a million of so so called refugees and did nothing about international crooks draining Poland from money, they could do anything - hang all the judges, bring tanks on the streets and mow down with the machine guns people who are demonstrating against them - the EU wouldn't say a word, maybe some odd slogan but not any action.

Guy Verhofstadt is a loon , a crazed commie, probably some degenerate given he is from Belgium, they should check his cellar for some children kept as sex toys.

If pis introduced gay marraige (which p.o. didn't even dare to do and instead settled on unions), accepted a bunch of migrants, legalized drugs, allowed transistor bathrooms, dissolved the relationship between the Catholic church and government, and allowed German and eu interests to totally take over Poland esp in the financial arena thered be riots in the streets. One of the main reasons why p.o. lost is bc of their kowtowing to eu and agreeing to take in migrants. It was game over for them. Poles will never forget that

Waszczykowski also told Polish Radio 1 on Friday that "the situation in the EU is changing" and that "a growing number of member states and politicians see that the European Commission is overstepping its prerogatives."

The commission, the EU's executive arm, is "becoming a political body instead of a technical one that should monitor the observance of European treaties and the four freedoms described in them," according to Waszczykowski.

And if you believe that, there's a large building for sale close to Warszawa Centralna, they call it the Palace of Culture.... they're desperate to sell and I have exclusive rights to mediate between the city and a buyer, whaddya say???? for not much money you could own a Palace! of Culture!

Thanks Atch, but it confuses me. It looks like there were about 20 separate votes all relating to 'the rule of law and democracy in Poland' with different outcomes. Do you know what one of those was the final vote?

Beside the point is a fact that Polish/MEP from Poland going against Poland are just traitors.

the resolution has the #B8-0595 "The situation of the rule of law and democracy in Poland".the summary results: europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20171115%2bRES-VOT%2bDOC%2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN starts from the bottom of page 12

the roll call tally: europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20171115%2bRES-RCV%2bDOC%2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN the votes on the final text are on pp84/85

there have been various amendments proposed and every single of them is voted on, hence the huge number of voting rounds.

"Points out, therefore, that new legislative proposals, such as the proposals for laws on the National Judicial Council and Supreme Court, should not be subject to interference from the EU institutions, as their objectives will be best achieved by the Polish authorities on the basis of the subsidiarity principle"

It's not just poles complaining the eu is pushing far left laws and regulations same w Brits hence brexit along w a bunch of countries in eastern Europe. The citizens appreciate thr economics and free movement but not the migrant dictates along w e a lot of other b.s.. like I said these countries including pl follow 99% of what eu tells them but certain things are a red line