tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post4850349838762734056..comments2015-03-31T17:24:04.088+02:00Comments on Copenhagenize.com - Bicycle Culture by Design: The Galapagos Islands of Bicycle CultureMikael Colville-Andersenhttps://plus.google.com/108270242317175376315noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-21731791941502556132010-04-04T12:58:47.217+02:002010-04-04T12:58:47.217+02:00@Sheffield if you are into these (so am i), here a...@Sheffield if you are into these (so am i), <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AedoUAu0KMM" rel="nofollow">here</a> are some before and after pics for you from Holland (Den Bosch), too.Daniel Sparinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07770694012992195852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-631846435634779212009-12-16T23:41:46.473+01:002009-12-16T23:41:46.473+01:00This is wonderful posting. Thank you.
Bathmate
a...This is wonderful posting. Thank you.<br /><br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">Bathmate</a><br />aluAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-62818208620837642312009-12-15T01:26:16.931+01:002009-12-15T01:26:16.931+01:00The Galapagos Islands are the most incredible livi...The Galapagos Islands are the most incredible living museum of evolutionary changes, with a huge variety of exotic species (birds, land and sea animals, plants) and landscapes not seen anywhere else.Zurihttp://www.galapagos-islands-tourguide.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-42078703018307209412009-12-14T14:01:45.649+01:002009-12-14T14:01:45.649+01:00I think the reason Copenhagen has been latched ont...I think the reason Copenhagen has been latched onto as a model for creating a cycling culture is because everyone associates cycling with Holland in the same way that they automatically conjure up images of tulips and clogs. It is too easy to dismiss cycling in this context as just a quirk and not applicable elsewhere (or at least too difficult for people to imagine it translated elsewhere).<br /><br />The difference with Copenhagen is that the city has set great store by explaining to the world that they too followed the same path as everyone else and embraced the motor car, but that they realised much sooner than everyone else that this was killing their city.<br /><br />It is the before and after photographs that hit home to politicians and transport planners and demonstrate that it IS possible to change - even if it does take 40 years!<br /><br />On a lighter note I have noticed a similar panniers v front basket thing going on between Sheffield and Manchester. Panniers are the way to go in Sheffield and front baskets seem to be more popular in Manchester ;-)Sheffield Cycle Chichttp://sheffieldcyclechic.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-77678399817386673522009-12-12T13:32:47.028+01:002009-12-12T13:32:47.028+01:00Eric,
Thank you for the link. The information th...Eric,<br /><br />Thank you for the link. The information there was very interesting. Unfortunately, it does not support the statement: <br /><br />&quot;55% of the population choose the bicycle for all trips.&quot;<br /><br />It only looks at commute mode share, not all trips. And that &quot;55%&quot; is not &quot;of the population,&quot; but only of those people who both live and work in the legal city of Copenhagen. Copenhagen never underwent an experience similar to the 1998 amalgamation of Toronto with its suburbs, so the legal city of Copenhagen is, in essence, the downtown part of the Copenhagen urban area.<br /><br />The 37% is a much more reasonable number to use for commute mode share. By Dutch standards, this is a somewhat low commute mode share. I have not seen anything that could be used as a statistic for &quot;all trips.&quot;Kevin Lovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13186428862833389619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-2820330907303707022009-12-10T18:30:09.815+01:002009-12-10T18:30:09.815+01:00David Hembrow, I didn&#39;t miss you point at all....David Hembrow, I didn&#39;t miss you point at all. I was simply entertained by your interpretation.dukiebiddlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-4327558065624956732009-12-10T11:02:12.570+01:002009-12-10T11:02:12.570+01:00I think we&#39;re missing an important point here....I think we&#39;re missing an important point here. This blog is about marketing CPH&#39;s bicycle culture to the world, and I think it does it quite brilliantly.<br /><br />This is not an academic blog where raw data is gathered and discussed scientifically. It&#39;s about marketing, so data is gathered and then used to serve a purpose. Nothing wrong with that btw.<br /><br />Do I prefer the DUcth model? Yes. Is someone marketing it the same way Mikael is marketing CPH? No. Maybe Beta was indeed better than VHS, but someone didn&#39;t do the right promotion.<br /><br />PS: Amsterdamize is great blog, but with different mission than Copenhagenize. My personal opinion.Álvarohttp://britpopcorn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-90149341447518361902009-12-09T23:34:52.044+01:002009-12-09T23:34:52.044+01:00Although Amsterdam is in the province of Holland, ...Although Amsterdam is in the province of Holland, I&#39;d prefer The Netherlands for the whole country. As a silent reader for a longg time, I just had to make this remark. So here it is. <br /><br />The Netherlands eller Nederlandene på dansk, tak. Hele Danmark kaldes jo heller ikke for Fyn ;-)Aartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-47641554401314275602009-12-09T23:33:46.984+01:002009-12-09T23:33:46.984+01:00Hello, everyone:
I live in Minneapolis, MN, and ...Hello, everyone: <br /><br />I live in Minneapolis, MN, and today I read this on the news. In a nutshell, it&#39;s a controversy on spending money on bike paths to a new stadium. The news itself isn&#39;t as half as interesting as the comments.<br /><br />http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/78895432.html<br /><br />There is still A LOT to do here, eh? I guess when the bike share program is put in practice in this city, the trend might be changing.<br /><br />Enjoy!Juliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14990855042208099791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-60162376483810197662009-12-09T19:02:26.652+01:002009-12-09T19:02:26.652+01:00Mikael: You say &quot;Raising one nation&#39;s sol...Mikael: You say &quot;Raising one nation&#39;s solutions above others is folly. Imagine if there were actually people who spent time trying to do that!&quot; I wholeheartedly agree.<br /><br />So, why exactly did you post a list of &quot;<a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/07/worlds-most-bicycle-friendly-cities.html" rel="nofollow"><br />The World&#39;s Most Bicycle Friendly Cities</a>&quot; with your dubious &quot;55%&quot; prominently at the top ? You won&#39;t find any such list on my blog.<br /><br />James: Is this a response to my post ? I don&#39;t know. However, I really don&#39;t want to criticise Copenhagen. It&#39;s a great city. They&#39;ve achieved a lot. It is merely dodgy statistics that I feel need to be pointed out.<br /><br />dukiebiddle: You&#39;ve missed the point entirely. The width of the cycle lanes is merely part of what explains the low feeling of safety for cyclists in the city and the lower take up of cycling as a result. That Copenhagen still thinks it is acceptable to build <a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/12/led-lane-lights-for-cyclists-and.html" rel="nofollow">junctions on which cyclists going straight on have a green light at the same time as drivers turning right</a> is another probably cause. We don&#39;t have those here.<br /><br />Erik: So the 55% refers not to &quot;all journeys,&quot; and not even to commuters but to a subset of commuters, all of whom are adults and students ?<br /><br />If you choose small enough <br />subsets you can of course come up with a high figure for just about anything. e.g. 100% of cyclists cycle. It&#39;s simply a way of manipulating statistics.<br /><br />As no other place makes such a measurement it&#39;s something we can&#39;t compare with any other place.<br /><br />It also doesn&#39;t explain &quot;55% of the population choose the bicycle for all trips&quot; as appears on the right hand side of all posts on this blog, nor why Mikael took this figure to put Copenhagen at the top of a selection of figures measured in different ways in other cities in his ordered listing which I linked to above.<br /><br />If you really want to compare figures for different places, you have to compare like with like. If you want to know how successful a city is in encouraging all sections of the population to cycle you have to look at &quot;all journeys&quot; figures and not just commuters.<br /><br />Do you agree that Copenhagen&#39;s true figure for cycling as a proportion of all journeys is now around 23% ?<br /><br />All: The Dutch have a saying: &quot;Meten is Weten.&quot; It translates as &quot;Measuring is knowing.&quot;<br /><br />All the measurements I&#39;ve seen regarding modal share in NL are as a proportion of all journeys, all age groups and all demographic groups.<br /><br />You can&#39;t fight statistics with mere rhetoric.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-36518060400362374032009-12-09T18:06:05.603+01:002009-12-09T18:06:05.603+01:00Kevin, download the Copenhagen Bicycle Account 200...Kevin, <a href="http://www.kk.dk/sitecore/content/Subsites/CityOfCopenhagen/SubsiteFrontpage/Services/CityAndTraffic/CityOfCyclists/Publications.aspx" rel="nofollow">download the Copenhagen Bicycle Account 2008</a> (English version).<br /><br />Under the heading &quot;Cycling to work or education,&quot; it states: <br /><br />37% of everyone working or studying in Copenhagen cycles to their place of work or education in the city. That figure includes Copenhagen residents as well as people from other municipalities who work or study in Copenhagen. In other words around 150,000 people cycle to work or school in Copenhagen every morning.<br /><br />...<br /><br />If we limit ourselves to Copenhagen residents working or studying in the city, the cycling share of transport is 55%.<br /><br />So there you have it. Thanks for the Toronto stats!Erik Sandblomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14411108063216855210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-9826233869348162572009-12-09T17:45:49.057+01:002009-12-09T17:45:49.057+01:00Mikael, I would be interested in a source for your...Mikael, I would be interested in a source for your oft-repeated statement of 55% cycle mode share in Copenhagen.<br /><br />Where I live here in The Riding of Toronto Centre, the commute mode share is:<br /><br />38% public transit<br />34% cycling and walking<br />26% motorist (drivers and passengers)<br /><br />Here&#39;s my source, The Toronto Star (Canada&#39;s largest circulation newspaper) which in turn cites the 2006 Census at:<br /><br />http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/starmaps.html?xml=080830_commuters_walkandbike.xmlKevin Lovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13186428862833389619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-25133250721353900942009-12-09T16:51:32.651+01:002009-12-09T16:51:32.651+01:00An excellent and fun reply, my UK finch is a mount...An excellent and fun reply, my UK finch is a mountain bike with front and rear racks, ridable in all European states. MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-79774517899367525032009-12-09T07:03:33.881+01:002009-12-09T07:03:33.881+01:00i&#39;m just jealous &#39;full stop&#39; of all of...i&#39;m just jealous &#39;full stop&#39; of all of you!Sue 'sans' helmethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11187400454555241935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-75181740843874438892009-12-09T00:22:32.423+01:002009-12-09T00:22:32.423+01:00J.D.S., I got such a hoot reading that yesterday, ...J.D.S., I got such a hoot reading that yesterday, him pointing out that Copenhagen&#39;s bike lanes are far too narrow at 2.2 meters, as opposed to the Dutch 2.5 meters. Craziness! The whole thing was such a knee slapper.dukiebiddlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-2722913366926121262009-12-08T23:32:13.319+01:002009-12-08T23:32:13.319+01:00Mikael, was this article a retaliation or a truce ...Mikael, was this article a retaliation or a truce to David Hembrow&#39;s recent crticism of Copenhagen? ;)<br /><br /><a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/12/truth-about-copenhagen.html" rel="nofollow">http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/12/truth-about-copenhagen.html</a>James D. Schwartzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04454437680686627778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24417328.post-46425339277330164092009-12-08T23:04:44.929+01:002009-12-08T23:04:44.929+01:00Another similarity -- if I may be so bold -- is th...Another similarity -- if I may be so bold -- is that many people in both cities still manage to miss the potential of bicycles, even though it&#39;s right there in front of them.<br /><br />Henry modestly says that cargo bikes only went mainstream in Amsterdam after he opened his shop. He&#39;s probably right. I can see how your typical Amsterdamer just didn&#39;t think of bicycles as useful for anything more than a child seat, a pannier or a basket.<br /><br />&quot;Of course I don’t take credit for the growth in general, but I do believe WorkCycles has done its share to professionalize and market cargobikes, traditional dutch city bikes and the likes.&quot;<br /><a href="http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/background/an-american-with-a-bike-company-in-holland-part-2/" rel="nofollow">An American with a bike company in Holland?</a><br /><br />I notice the same thing in the green movement. Environmentalists look favorably at bicycles, but they don&#39;t see them as a serious form of transportation until you show them the modal share of places like Amsterdam and Copenhagen, and how the bike traffic has risen even since 1990 (<a href="http://www.vejpark2.kk.dk/apps/publikationer/index.asp?mode=detalje&amp;id=560" rel="nofollow">+75% in Copenhagen</a>).<br /><br />Cycling is becoming mainstream again, but it looks to me like there&#39;s going to be a prolonged adolesence in the public consciousness.Erik Sandblomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14411108063216855210noreply@blogger.com