On this week’s Slate Political Gabfest, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss the continued government shutdown, the counterintelligence investigation of Trump, and the racism of Steve King.

• Emily chattered about some less-discussed problems with William Barr’s confirmation testimony, including his hard-line views on immigration, lack of support for criminal justice reform, and willful blindness to the racial inequities in the justice system.• John chattered about his interview with Dave Matthews, discussing Matthews’ youth in South Africa under apartheid and his efforts to improve public housing in Charlottesville, Virginia.• David chattered about watching Raiders of the Lost Ark after many years and discovering it is appallingly racist and sexist.• Listener Kathy Kearns @kkearns11542 recommended the “Leesburg Stockade Girls” episode of the StoryCorps podcast, which tells the story of a group of girls arrested at a 1963 civil rights protest and held in an abandoned stockade for nearly two months.

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily and John talk with professor Nate Persily about the recent court decision blocking the Trump administration’s plan to add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census.

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