I think this is true. It's naive, but I try to maintain that belief if for no other reason than I get sick and tired of all the "drug cheat" accusations I read on LRC.

That being said, I have to admit that I am somewhat suspicious of all the African distance runners. Lots of distance runners around the world train their butts off. How is it that the Africans are so dominant?

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RE: Which track world records do you believe are clean?1/18/2013 11:01AM - in reply to Randy Oldman

Track and field records are not standing trial in an American court of law, they are not protected by the US Constitution, and therefore are NOT "innocent until proven guilty." They are all suspect, and should be investigated as such.

I think this is true. It's naive, but I try to maintain that belief if for no other reason than I get sick and tired of all the "drug cheat" accusations I read on LRC.

That being said, I have to admit that I am somewhat suspicious of all the African distance runners. Lots of distance runners around the world train their butts off. How is it that the Africans are so dominant?

I find it helps make the case for being clean, especially when we find its the same small areas in eastern Africa. Are we to believe they are the only ones with access to the best drugs?

Yea foreign doctors or managers could (and probably are) bringing in stuff...it still doesn't explain why all these other first world countries can't compete. Yea Rupp and Farah can now be up there, but hey are two in a vast forest of East Africans.

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RE: Which track world records do you believe are clean?1/18/2013 11:49AM - in reply to Oh please

I think they are all as dirty as each other, but even dirty athletes need to work hard and they still need to be the best. Kenya dominates because they throw huge numbers of talented individuals into running, far more than the western nations. Eithiopia I am far more suspicious of, especially how many ex Eithiopians seem to get caught in the road running scene where testing is hardly as effective as on the international scene. It's almost like they were doing what they always were doing just not as effectively

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RE: Which track world records do you believe are clean?1/18/2013 11:53AM - in reply to Bubbles

Mens:800 (unlike some of those other guys, Rudy can look very innocent sometimes)1500/Mile (El G - I HIGHLY Doubt that Morrocco and Spain are smart enough to 100% protect their star athlete, especially that almost every other of his training partners got busted)Marathon (Makau - Someone who needs a lot of recovery after a marathon is basically saying he doesn't need drugs to run fast)

>Bolt is highly suspicious. the way the media are treating Bolt, I'ld definately have him on par with Armstrong as someone who is running a doping reigme, especially in an event where HGH is widely used>MANY American sprinters are very suspicious, especially how Lewis got off 100% free despite failing another test while everyone else got banned. >Komen has had EPO effects so count him out. >as for Bekele - Tough to say, but being linked with Hermens does not help. >Tadese also has that extreme work ethic which definately encourages people to take drugs to prevent themselves from falling apart

Womens:Half Marathon (Kietaney 1:05:50 or Radcliffe 1:05:40* - depends on how you look at that course)Marathon (Radcliffe 2:17 - Marathon performance seemed in-line with her 10000 performance, especially that she seemed to lack raw speed for a kick)

>FloJo during the 80s again highly suspicious USA>East Germany are clearly suspect #2 when it comes to doping>if Jelimo does not have the WR, that is definately screaming that the eastern euro's were very dirty (especially that Jelmio is one of the top kenyan suspects)>The fact that there are no videos of the chinese WR's screams short track and/or false starting location. The group folding when drug testing came in also yelled drugs.> Why is it that the Russian women always seem to get busted for PED's?> I don't know who Dibaba's agent is, but based on some of the other ethiopians getting away with it I would also suspect that she and Defar are on PED's.

> Radcliffe's 2:15 was clearly paced 100% of the way. What if Mutai was to run a marathon against a 2:02 paced relay?.

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RE: Which track world records do you believe are clean?1/18/2013 1:19PM - in reply to ////????////