Wednesday, September 28, 2005

Macedonia will be the second to recognise Kosovo’s independence (Epoka)

Citing sources in the Macedonian Government, a Macedonian private TV station Kanal 5 reported that Macedonia will be the second state after Albania to recognise the independence of Kosovo if Belgrade and Pristina come to an agreement on this matter. The TV station also reported that the Macedonian Government believes that in the next 18 months the international community will try to convince Serbian authorities to give ground and recognise the independent state of Kosovo.

“Senior sources in the Government are certain that on 1 January 2007 Kosovo will be independent,” reported the TV station.

Lajm newspaper also reports on the front page that Macedonia is willing to recognise the will of the people of Kosovo.

55 comments:

Anonymous
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Well, Macedonia recognized the Republic of China (Taiwan) despite the fierce opposition of the mainland. And I don't think the economic relationship between the two is better than that between Kosova and Macedonia. Maybe Kosova should have used its economic clout (some $300 million in imports) more and earlier to get more support from Macedonia.

Same with Serbia. Despite all the patriotic comments here by Albanians, trade (and that usually means imports) with Serbia continues unstopped. Vote with your pockets, and let the dogs scream on blog comments.

It's time for Kosova to learn some of the "you scratch my back, I scratch yours." That's the real test of nation-building.

Kosovo & Metohija is Part of Serbia.Please stop living in a fantasy world and learn to accept that the civilised world will never allow a lawless albanian state to spread across europe. Look at what your extremists are doing to innocent people. Next you'll want to take over Macedonia as well. The world isn't stupid - they can see your evil ways.

“The goal of discussions (for the status of Kosovo) is to reach a compromise, but a compromise means that we are backing down from our demands for freedom and our human sacrifices made for freedom.” said Kurti

Civilized world???? What do you even know the meaning of civilized. Yes, world knows who the criminals are, have you forgotten the war in Kosovo, have you forgotten that you got bombed for killing civilians. You people really have a short attention span, and don’t seem to remember anything. O, it’s not your fault, you were never thought the truth, you lived under propaganda, and you still do. It is really sad. Be enlightened my friend, don’t read Serbian bull shit. Your government will no be able to control Kosova again, independent or not, even if we live like this, we will all die before you can control us again.

"Serbian Bullshit" as opposed to the albanian brainwashing that Kosovo and Metohija is not serb land.

You had the opportunity to live in peace. Adem and Co. decided to take up arms against the Serbian nation and they nearly got wiped of the face of the earth. Try that in any other country you will get the same response.

you totally missed the point. The albanians started the war with armed attacks on a sovereign nation. The NATO attacks were illegal why do you think Kosovo has not been granted independence after 6 years. Answer: The west never intended to give Kosovo independence.

What do you call living in peace, no schools, no jobs, no civil rights, is that your idea of peace. The so called Adem and Co. that you referred to expressed what was in every Kosovars heart and mind. You know that we could not ever live together. What do you suppose we do, disappear from the face of the earth? We are Kosovars, and like it or not we are going to stay here, and we are going to govern ourselves.

I will answer 11:54 Anonymous. The intentions of west were to disarm and stop Serbians, you know that and I know that. Now, NATO’s actions were not illegal under international laws. If you were to read John Rawls or Jack Donelly, you would understand that international, multilateral interventions are permitted when genocide is being committed by a sovereign government. I know your response; you are going explain sovereignty to me. Well, things have changes since 1600, internal issues are not so internal so more, thank god we have Human Rights.

There was no genocide in Kosovo and Metohija, if there was a planned extermination of an ethnic group. Why does the west use the term ethnic cleansing instead of genocide. Thats because the west knows the truth there was no genocide.

Independence is the answer, and please don’t go back at telling me that that is not an option, that we are horrible and don’t deserve it, that Serbians are better, and all that. The bottom line is, we don’t trust you. If you give us autonomy, eventually you will pursue the same plans, cleaning Kosovo from Albanians. It is stupid, we wont go for it, you have to work heard for us to trust you again.

Frankly I don't think the ethnic albanians have a choice in the matter. The security council has realized that the independence of Kosovo would create instablitiy in Europe and as the potential to become another islamic fundementalist state. Leave Kosovo within Serbia one less headache for NATO, UN, EU and USA.

Why do you say that? Why do you go back to how destructive Albanians are? You know that we are not fundamentalists; we fought together (Christians and Muslims) against you. It was never about religion, it was about land. Another thing, you are not capable of creating a well ordered liberal state, look at the way you denigrate Muslims. What would you do to us if we were under your occupation, you would eventually kill all Muslims, destroy all mosques, and rule your iron fist like you did before. Shame on you, you should not be allowed to rule your own country.

I have been telling you the truth all along. Go ahead tell me that we are liars too, that we are the worst. We fought for our rights; we were born in Kosovo, which is the land. You on the other hand, trying to claim as much land as you can from all the regions in Balkan (Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia), committed all the crimes that you did. We are fighting for our rights.

There as well as the rest of the citizens of the balkans. As for the land grab. The Serbs want the land that was theirs prior to the forming of yugoslavia. They recognized that no territory in slovenia and Macedonia was theirs so was little fighting if any. Croatia and Bosnia are another story and as far as Kosovo and Metohija goes there is no question that Kosovo and Metohija is Serbs land.

Croatia and Bosnia are another story, what story is that? Humor us, tell us. You say that Kosovo is the land of Serbia and we Albanians say that Kosovo is the land of Albania, what are we going to do about it? We don’t believe you, and you don’t believe us. You have your written history, and we have ours. We are the majority, you are the minority. O, you are going to reply to me with all the examples of other territories that have not become independent even though they posses the majority vote, and control over their particular territory. Don’t waste your time, they will forever fight for their rights, and so will we. But I have a question, what then are you going to do with us? Lock us up, make slaves out of us? And please don’t make me go back on my arguments on how we don’t trust you, and how you are not able to form a well-ordered liberal society that John Rawls referrers to. As far as the Albanians living well in Serbia, we use to live under Serbian rule 6 years ago, and it was not so good was it.

Whoever tried to justify the NATO bombings of Serbia, what about the bombing of a Serbian hospital full of innocent civilians? The U.S. has the best military technology in the world and it "accidentally" bombed a hospital. Give me a break. We Macedonians, and the Serbs, know that if the U.S. didn't help the Albanian terrorists we would have wiped them out (of our land). The tiny Macedonian army lost less than 100 soldiers in the war in 2001, and for some reason, before they were able to finish off the terrorists, they decided to sign a "peace-treaty". Rumor has it, Bush called up the late President Trajkovski and threatened to bomb Skopje. I wouldn't doubt it. On a good note, the Serbs were the first country to ever shoot down a B52 Stealth Bomber. I heard that the were doing the oro on it. Man, how I wish I was there. Makedonija za Makedoncite i Srbija za Srbite!

Its too bad you god bombed. But you got bombed because of the international laws which are set firmly to protect human rights. Yes bravo on the stealth bomber, you saw the history channel. They don’t know if it had an engine failure. Yes, you will get bombed again if you commit atrocities and genocide. And wiping KLA out, what does that have to do with anything that we were talking about. You won’t get me mad, stay on task, and argue against my arguments that I made above if you can. Such short attention span. Ladies and gentlemen, there is no propaganda on what I am saying.

Under the communist regime both Croatia and Bosnia have land that was given to them that belongs to Serbia. As for Kosovo and Metohija the World knows has documented facts that it belongs to Serbia that is why the West keeps waving the EU carrot. The only things that the albanians have are their empty words of Illyria that can't be proved.

Why go back to history, please read my paragraph above. Land of Bosnia and Croatia that belonged to Serbia, what ta hell are you talking about? Of course hurry up and write something, produce some history, make up your own truth, and then you can sleep happy. Next day you’ll tell me that it has always been that way.

Poster 4:14, if you spent half of the time you do learning the truth instead of falling back on your country's brainwashing and propaganda, you wouldn't have to come up with what you think are witty and charismatic comebacks. Check your passport, under nationality. Tell me what it says. Americans are ALMOST dumber than Albanians.

O no, you know what; I’ll learn your propaganda, that’s better right. I am very skeptic. I don’t trust everything that I read, I make my own views and conclusions, and you are far off. But then, you will eventually learn that. Americans are dumb, Albanians are dumb, hasty generalization.

What I don't understand is that if Macedonia is going to recognize kosova as a 2nd albanian state,then why doesn't albania recognize Macedonia under its constitutional name. Some albanian once mentioned you scratch my back i'll scratch yours.Well get to scratching albania and kosova because this government in Macedonia will only last for this term only I can guarantee that the next government won't be so supportive of albanians in general.

O yea it will be as supportive of Albanians if not more. If not 2001 will start again. Equal rights mean equal rights and we'll use any way to achieve them. And rest assured from now on there'll always be Albanian ministers in the Macedonian government. You beter treat 25 % of the popullation equaly or all hell will break loose until equality is achieved.

Have any of you taken the time to study History (outside of the propaganda taught in each of your countries?)

The Serbians teach serbians the serbian way. The Albanians do the same. The Greeks do the same. The Macedonians do the same. Even the Americans do the same. Spend some time learning the truth of it all, actual facts, from neutral sources. You will learn something.

And as a personal opinion, I doubt any borders will be changing in Eastern Europe. At least not in our lifetimes.

The Balkans is a messy area. There aren't any real friends amongst neighbours, it's a culminations of thousands of years of racism, passed down generation to generation, fueled by wars and oppression.

Albanians want a Greater Albania, Serbians want Serbia and Montenegro (including Kosovo), Macedonia wants Aegean Macedonia (Northern Greece) and Pirin Macedonia (Bulgaria), Bulgaria wants Macedonia to be Bulgarian (or recognized as such), Greece wants to keep the History and Land of other countries as its' own -> These are all the claims of those countries. If one of these countries' border changes, what's to stop it from spreading to all of the Balkans? There will be a great instability, civil wars and outright khaos. This is also the view of the UN and NATO. I doubt the UN will allow this much instability within Europe.

We had greater Serbia until the 90's. The UN and NATO took care of it. Kosova and Montenegro are the last pieces of the puzzle. That way with an independent Kosova and Montonegro the Serbs cant say they're creating a greater Albania since Kosova will have its own borders and the Albanians can't talk about greater Serbia since Serbia will only own its own land.This is going to happens soon. This way everyone will shut up.

In a Gallup poll only 6 % of the Kosovar Albanians were for the creation of a greater Albania so the Greater Albania theory coming from Serbs is just BS.

Hey everyone.To begin with, I read all the blogs and I would like to state that Kosovo, Macedonia, Crotia and Bosnia joined Serbia to create Yugoslavia and form the ballkan union and whatnot in the earlier years, and so I cannot see how Serbia can claim Kosovo and the other countries to be theirs. Aside from the early forming of Yugoslavia, Kosovo for 400 years was in the occupation of Turkey before joining Yugoslavia, never in those four hundred years known statements nor documents that Turkey mentioned Kosovo as the land of Serbia, but on the other hand Turkey regarded Kosovo as the Albanias and the Albanian land. A question was asked, "why Kosovo has the same flag"? Kosovo has the same flag not because the plan is to join Albania but because at one time Kosovo was Albania and till it was separated into Kosovo during the four hundred years of wars with Turkey during their occupation, and that is also why the same language is spoken and the same anthem is song by the two countries. Kosovo was in the occupation of Serbia for many years and many Serbs don't have the one quarter of knowledge of misstreatments and wrong doings such as killings of Kosovars, poisning of the students in school classes by Serbians, harrasing Kosovars in their homes for guns and to the extent killing many for those reasons, bitting Kosovars, killing, prisoning innocent citizens for life, torturing them for information, threatening families and with no hasitation carrying orders of threats for political information that many of the victims did not know nor were ever involved in such things that the Serbians investigated for. I personaly don't see how anyone should, could or would want to deal with anyone with those circumstances and of course conflicts went on many years before the war started. Any person, place, province, country, with no doubt would start a war and risk everything that they poses for the freedom that everyone deserves.

I would also like to add that it seems that some are concerned that if Kosovo is to get indipendence it will unstable the world and rise other countries that want indipendence also. I want to say that because other countries who are in similar situations as Kosovo at the present, where and why not didn't they ask for indipendence when Montonegro, Bosnia and Crotia got their inipendence. Kosovo should not be a reminder of infipendence for other countries, its what people should want without the awaiting of who goes first. (step up to the plate sort-of-say.) What others interests are is not Kosovos issue and it should not be dumped on Kosovos situation. Every countries problems have to be looked at separately and find solutions without blaming another for wanting freedom. Because of other complicated situations in the world, Kosovo is ready for its indipendence, the world cannot ask the people of Kosovo to stay quite because it may arise other countries to ask for freedom that have no link to Kosovo. Kosovos situation plays its own part and what others want, solutions have to be found by those and with no ties and blames to Kosovo. I don't see how and why Kosovo should stay under Serbia so others don't stand up for the freedom that they deserve to stand up for without waiting for someone else to stand up first, it just does not make any sense.

It's about time to recognize the historical right of Kosova to have its destiny fulfilled-That is full independence. Kosova never was a Serbian province. It was there, since the times of birth of European civilization, a very distinct Dardanian/llyrian identity. Always populated by Dardanias who, although under constant pressure of forcefully migration by Serbian shovinism, Tito's Yugoslavia & Milloshevic's Serbia, still make up 92% of the population. Serbs always have been a minority there. We know that Serbs appeared in Balkans (then llyria) only by the 6th Century AD. They have always been a minority and 'the story' of Kosova being the Heartland of Serbia is just a pure Serbian nationalist fantasy. Facts Speak Louder Than Words and Serbian’s Lies Will Collapse by Themselves. Serbs always have been considered as oppressors there, not just by Albanian majority, but also by other ethnic groups to. Serbs just occupied Kosova during the rise of the Serbian nationalism early 20th century from Ottomans, who by then were loosing the Balkans after 500 years of occupation. Now Kosova should be Free!