TheEmissary wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 11:26:People have the rightopportunity to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce.

FTFY.

There is no such "right" that exists, whether naturally or decreed by law, that says you will automagically have gold fall from the sky simply because you create something.

Plus no one creates something on their own. No person is really separate from any other person or thing in the universe. If one of my pieces of music is shared by millions on the internet I should be able to figure out a way to make a living but I certainly wouldn't and shouldn't feel I was owed anything.

RailWizard wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 10:53:This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.

First of all the internet has grown far beyond what it was originally capable of and its intended purpose. It started its life as private military network (ARPANET) and networks between universities. Everyone has as much right to use the current version of the internet.

That said what people don't have the right to is get a free pass to break the law online. People have the right to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce. You might think this is a losing battle but they still have to try.

The copyright laws protect the little guy as much as they can protect a huge corporation. Any one can create a intellectual property. I kind of feel your attitude would change over night if you created something insanely popular but you weren't being compensated at all for it.

I think you missed the part where I said the laws were bullshit. Also anyone that creates something that is "insanely popular" DOES get paid regardless of whatever fantasy land you live in. IF they are not getting paid, then it because the very same corporations that 'lobby for law' are the ones ripping them off with deviously crafted contracts and abuse of "legal" loopholes. Case in point: Hollywood Accounting. Citation served.

..and then of course there is the patent system and companies like Apple, Rambus, etc...

RailWizard wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 10:53:This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.

First of all the internet has grown far beyond what it was originally capable of and its intended purpose. It started its life as private military network (ARPANET) and networks between universities. Everyone has as much right to use the current version of the internet.

That said what people don't have the right to is get a free pass to break the law online. People have the right to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce. You might think this is a losing battle but they still have to try.

The copyright laws protect the little guy as much as they can protect a huge corporation. Any one can create a intellectual property. I kind of feel your attitude would change over night if you created something insanely popular but you weren't being compensated at all for it.

I think you missed the part where I said the laws were bullshit. Also anyone that creates something that is "insanely popular" DOES get paid regardless of whatever fantasy land you live in. IF they are not getting paid, then it because the very same corporations that 'lobby for law' are the ones ripping them off with deviously crafted contracts and abuse of "legal" loopholes. Case in point: Hollywood Accounting. Citation served.

..and then of course there is the patent system and companies like Apple, Rambus, etc...

RailWizard wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 10:53:This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.

First of all the internet has grown far beyond what it was originally capable of and its intended purpose. It started its life as private military network (ARPANET) and networks between universities. Everyone has as much right to use the current version of the internet.

That said what people don't have the right to is get a free pass to break the law online. People have the right to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce. You might think this is a losing battle but they still have to try.

The copyright laws protect the little guy as much as they can protect a huge corporation. Any one can create a intellectual property. I kind of feel your attitude would change over night if you created something insanely popular but you weren't being compensated at all for it.

I think you missed the part where I said the laws were bullshit. Also anyone that creates something that is "insanely popular" DOES get paid regardless of whatever fantasy land you live in. IF they are not getting paid, then it because the very same corporations that 'lobby for law' are the ones ripping them off with deviously crafted contracts and abuse of "legal" loopholes. Case in point: Hollywood Accounting. Citation served.

..and then of course there is the patent system and companies like Apple, Rambus, etc...

All of it is morally bankrupt and indefensible.

No matter if you think they are without merit they are still the law of the land. Do you really think you wouldn't be equally as angry if you spent time and your own money to create something only to see it plastered on every torrent site. I am sure you would be and it would be a lie to say otherwise.

I agree the laws need to be changed. I agree that the process for software patents needs to be rewritten. I also think that copyright length extensions and perpetual copyrights go against the original intent. That said until we push the government to change the problem we have no leg to stand on by breaking the law online.

RailWizard wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 10:53:This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.

First of all the internet has grown far beyond what it was originally capable of and its intended purpose. It started its life as private military network (ARPANET) and networks between universities. Everyone has as much right to use the current version of the internet.

That said what people don't have the right to is get a free pass to break the law online. People have the right to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce. You might think this is a losing battle but they still have to try.

The copyright laws protect the little guy as much as they can protect a huge corporation. Any one can create a intellectual property. I kind of feel your attitude would change over night if you created something insanely popular but you weren't being compensated at all for it.

I think you missed the part where I said the laws were bullshit. Also anyone that creates something that is "insanely popular" DOES get paid regardless of whatever fantasy land you live in. IF they are not getting paid, then it because the very same corporations that 'lobby for law' are the ones ripping them off with deviously crafted contracts and abuse of "legal" loopholes. Case in point: Hollywood Accounting. Citation served.

..and then of course there is the patent system and companies like Apple, Rambus, etc...

RailWizard wrote on Oct 4, 2012, 10:53:This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.

First of all the internet has grown far beyond what it was originally capable of and its intended purpose. It started its life as private military network (ARPANET) and networks between universities. Everyone has as much right to use the current version of the internet.

That said what people don't have the right to is get a free pass to break the law online. People have the right to get paid and compensated for content and material they produce. You might think this is a losing battle but they still have to try.

The copyright laws protect the little guy as much as they can protect a huge corporation. Any one can create a intellectual property. I kind of feel your attitude would change over night if you created something insanely popular but you weren't being compensated at all for it.

This episode of TPB is interesting. First there is the raid, but then they say it was only a dead PDU and that TPB is no longer hosted on that service. The question remains however, was the raids target supposed to be TPB or was it all a coincidence?

I am certainly getting tired of this shit. They have no hope of stopping it and apparently if they don't get their way they are willing to burn it all down. That should be grounds for execution, or at the least, litigation into the financial grave.

The internet was NOT created so for the business world, it was created for the people. At least, that is how I like to think of it, and it is true beyond any similar thing in the history of mankind. I wish they would stop trying to get rich off of it. So many wonderful things we could have were it not for bullshit laws and the corporations that buy them thanks to corrupted governments.