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What Pat Martin just said, as an angry old man, re why he made those remarks was much worse than what he said. He really made a lot of unkind remarks re the senator. This during a debate on the pension thing in HofC. No way did he apologize, just made it worse. Funny he gets upset at the possible suicide by rope of criminals, but argues like a raving idiot for the right of women to kill their babies, via abortion for whatever reason. Especially if that baby is a girl.

I would imagine most people were upset with Mr Boisvenu's original statement, I would also imagine most people understood his passion, and, I would guess that most were happy that Mr Boisvenu retracted those comments. Now, I'd also guess most people thought Mr Martin's comments were out of line, but, I cant see Mr Martin retracting his comments. This is not a Left or Right issue, this is more about Pat Martin being a plain old goof....

Latest from Pat Martin.F-bomb-dropping MP defends his verbal attack on Tory senator BoisvenuTaber: Pat Martin wants to correct his breech of parliamentary protocol: “I should have called him an Honourable Asshole,” the NDP MP says now.

So Boisvenu gets a different kind of focus than Martin also because (a) he is a serious and well-respected man, (b) he talked about the death of inmates, not just potty mouth, (c) the public doesn't know him and so you notice the first indiscretion more.

He did retract, though, which puts him on a different plain than Martin.

The host of this website and the first commenter, however, are different stories. Death doesn't need cheerleaders.

Hi Ted,I guess the moral high ground has been taken by those that feel we should house, feed, educate and supply medical attention to those that have taken the lives of one or more people, without just cause.

I guess the key to this is "just cause". A policeman that shoots a dangerous individual is regarded as having just cause, the soldier is regarded as having just cause, and there by and large is no major argument to these circumstances. Is killing a murderer "just cause"?

This brings us to the "Death Penalty". That topic that is even more politically incorrect than aborting an 8 month old baby..er I mean fetus.

This has never been put to a vote because of the almost certain vote to reinstate the death penalty. A vote I might add that would be by the citizenry of the country and not by an appointed or self appointed elite.

An interesting situation this. A monster that only looks like a human is kept alive and treated well in some perverted sense of "doing the right thing". I've never really understood it.

As far as the rope statement, he was off-side saying that. Convicts should never be allowed rope, they'd use it as a weapon.

Organizations that side with Canada: the Roman Catholic Church, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Evangelical Lutherans, Anglicans and Espicopalians, Methodists, most Jewish denominations, United Church, American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A., Presbyterian Church.

Does that look like a list of "politically correct"?

I know which group I would prefer to be a part of.

The same polls that shows declining but still high support for capital punishment in Canada also show very high preference not to bother changing the laws.

When I said that I never really understood it, I meant that. I'm not endorsing it, I'm just saying that I don't understand it.

Perhaps my background is different than many. I had a brother doing life and he was in prison when the final "you die if you do this" penalty was removed. The mess hall broke out in cheers and the talk in the yard was that everybody got bullets on the next job. Before that, only the really level headed ones got bullets because if you killed a Cop, you all died. Now that no one died, it was "let her smoke" time.

I too am familiar with who does and does not kill killers, some of whom kill for much less reason than others. It's a complicated affair and one that eventually gets brought back to "kill you die" state of being.

Long about then Sorcery is punishable by death (among other hideous crimes)and in the remote language of the Gylnnbl, Ted Betts translates as "spell caster". (Tongue removed from cheek)

TedBetts is absolutely right. Before anything else, a State exists for two fundamental and related purposes. 1) To keep its citizens from killing each other.2) To restrain maximally its monopoly on the use of force by avoiding causing harm to its citizens.Failed states such as Somalia can't fulfill obligation #1. Failed states such as Syria justify violating obligation #2 by dehumanizing those they wish to eliminate. If an individual hands a loaded gun to someone intent on murder, that individual is at least morally culpable. If the State provides the means for any citizen to take his or her own life, it is equally morally culpable. Do we really want Canada to take on the moral characteristics of Somalia or Syria?