Which is exactley why I question it when people talk about how great and beautiful the English language is when it's just a convinient language to use. It IS the most convinient language to use, and it absorbs every different type of lexicon wherever it goes.

The English used before the Exploitative colonialism of the British is much different to the English used today, the reason why English has become the Lingua Franca is due to the USA and former English Speaking colonial countries such as India.

The British had nothing to do with the popularity or 'coolness' of the English language, it's credit goes to the Americans- I thought English was a cool language because of the gangster and cow boy movies. Not because I watched some bald and red-faced british politicians stuttering and wiping their sweat beads in parliment.

Now just to clarify, I completely understand why you would take issue with someone using the fact that English has become widespread as a utility language as a means to claim a misguided sense of superiority - it's like you trying to say to me that because I've studied a little Chinese, it's some sort of subconscious acknowledgement that you're better than me. Still, it is untruthful to not acknowledge the fact that the great utility of English as a language is directly because of the sheer length and breadth of the former British empire, and, put simply, the British people and their achievements. You can't say in one breath that the use of English is due to British colonialism, and then in another that the British have nothing to do with its popularity as a 'useful language'. While I am happy to agree that the Americans have had a more modern influence on the use of, and desire to learn English, the overall reason is because of the reach and former influence of the British empire. America is only one face of that legacy.

I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to have a lot of sudden hostility about the British - I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say that I think it's because you and Jervezier have been goaded by a certain British poster who seems to believe that insults = bonus points in an argument. If that's the case, don't lower yourself to that level, especially not if you wish to maintain that you are neutral or don't have anything against white people.

Now just to clarify, I completely understand why you would take issue with someone using the fact that English has become widespread as a utility language as a means to claim a misguided sense of superiority - it's like you trying to say to me that because I've studied a little Chinese, it's some sort of subconscious acknowledgement that you're better than me.

I'm happy that you learnt Mandarin, but it dosent impress me because there are tonnes (and I do emphasize on the tonnes) of westerners that fly to China to learn Chinese, or take Mandarin lessons at home.

I'm happy, but I do not feel superior at all- please don't take it that way.

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Still, it is untruthful to not acknowledge the fact that the great utility of English as a language is directly because of the sheer length and breadth of the former British empire, and, put simply, the British people and their achievements.

However, the English language started gaining in popularity and willingly learnt by non-speakers due to Americans. Not the British- the British forced their language on people.

Whenever I ask people why they want to learn English its ALWAYS typically two answers:

1. To do business/ make money.
2. Understand American music/movies and slang without subtitles.

That's it. Seriously.

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You can't say in one breath that the use of English is due to British colonialism, and then in another that the British have nothing to do with its popularity as a 'useful language'. While I am happy to agree that the Americans have had a more modern influence on the use of, and desire to learn English, the overall reason is because of the reach and former influence of the British empire. America is only one face of that legacy.

Yes, America is the face of the legacy, and it's keeping that legacy- the British are just completely non-existant in the world now, but they still think they are still important in geo-politics.

Their military is small with no nuclear weapons, they have no industrial base, they have no natural resources, they have an immigration problem, people are filmed in London 300+ times a day (Indicating a supposed police state in an otherwise 'free & democratic' nation), they have too much social delinquincy, and the weather is horrible. The only reason why the UK is ever taken seriously is because they are barely still wealthy and they hide behind the shadow of the USA.

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I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to have a lot of sudden hostility about the British - I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say that I think it's because you and Jervezier have been goaded by a certain British poster who seems to believe that insults = bonus points in an argument. If that's the case, don't lower yourself to that level, especially not if you wish to maintain that you are neutral or don't have anything against white people.

I've always had an ill opinion on the British, from how they act when they go oversea's to their snobby and jaded attitude deluding themselves that Britain still matters and that their achievments 150 years ago is applicable to the modern era. How hoardes of their losers go to Thailand to find a bride, and how most of them revolve around this pub culture where their only interest in life is Football, Rugby, Cricket and Beer.

Maxvictory just enforced what I already knew, i'm not surprised by his behaviour. He's most likely a Chav or another typical Beer/Football guy cradling his pint in the pub and bitterly muttering politics to a drunk and unappreciative audience.

I'm happy that you learnt Mandarin, but it dosent impress me because there are tonnes (and I do emphasize on the tonnes) of westerners that fly to China to learn Chinese, or take Mandarin lessons at home.

I'm happy, but I do not feel superior at all- please don't take it that way.

I was merely using it as an example. Of course there's nothing impressive about learning Chinese. I just brought it up to make the distinction that I don't have a baseless opinion of the language being unpleasant on the ear - I have actually learnt some of it myself. Kind of like how people have this view that German is harsh and guttural (the 'Hitler speech' mindset) when actually it's a lot softer than people realise or give it credit for. Even languages have a 'stereotype' attached to them.

Anyway, it's hardly breaking news that Chinese has become the cliché language-of-choice for many students in Western countries; it's basically becoming what Japanese was 10+ years ago, as I've said before. The 'Oh, that'll be very useful in this modern world!' language. Very few people actually take it anymore due to a genuine interest in the culture and history attached to it, they're just drones who mumble the old line of it 'being useful', something not untruthful but which I nonetheless find intensely boring.

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However, the English language started gaining in popularity and willingly learnt by non-speakers due to Americans. Not the British- the British forced their language on people.

Whenever I ask people why they want to learn English its ALWAYS typically two answers:

1. To do business/ make money.
2. Understand American music/movies and slang without subtitles.

That's it. Seriously.

Well again, you're only really repeating what I've said, which is that Americans have influenced the modern popularity of English as a utility language. Still, the overall reason it became so useful and widespread in the first place is because of the British Empire. Acknowledging that isn't saying that Britain is somehow still 'powerful', it's acknowledging that it was and that this is the after affect. It's, to be blunt, not letting your dislike of a nation of people cloud your vision. I'm an English speaker from the other side of the globe, and because of the former British empire, there are a number of countries to which I can travel and speak with other English speakers - not just Americans. That's what makes it such a - you guessed it - useful language.

Anyway, I'll be shocking and say something somewhat on-topic () in regards to those pictures: Gackt creeps me out! I mean really - the common joke is that that guy's like a Japanese Michael Jackson. I don't think he's a good example of Japanese people somehow wanting to 'look' or 'be' white - he's just a prime example of the fact that pop culture, wordlwide, has an alarming way of producing some pretty out-there looking people and should never be taken too seriously.

You obviously have far more time than I do considering I run three businesses, and you are unemployed.

"I've lost the argument, therefore you are automatically unemployed, and an American."

Asian logic power strikes again.

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Regarding Chinese territorial continuity, don't put words in my mouth, you are merely arguing against yourself. You obviously suffer from the initial symptoms of skitsophrenia.

"You pointed out key fundimental flaws in my view that empires = technological level and destroyed my belief that China had been a consistent territory throughout hsitory and because of this you have schizophrenia"

Asian logic strikes again.

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Yes, I grew up in the US. However, I am fluent in both Chinese, English as well as some other languages. I live sometimes in China. Part of my business is international real estate investments.

"Just because I grew up in the US doesn't mean that there is anything ironic about me coming onto a White Nationalist forum to brag about the Chinese modernization effort, an effort that my family were too lazy, trecherous and cowardly to partake in hence the reason why they fled to Western country."

Asian logic strikes again.

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I'm not concerned about your views, because, as I have found out, you are just an unemployed, bitter, British loser who probably spends too much time wacking off at your local pub.

"I don't care about your views because your views always defeat my views in debates which means automatically go to pubs and masturbate while being unemployed"

Asian logic strikes again.

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Go ahead, think you're superior because you're White while you masterbate in your sorry run down London apartment.

"Just because you beat me in every single argument and are thus superior to me doesn't mean that I cannot undermine all of your victories by accusing you repeatedly of masturbating"

Asian logic strikes again.

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I am too busy with running actual businesses and making an actual impact on the world, btw, many of my employees are White. So, stop acting up, because in case we meet again, you might fail the interview.

"I am too busy being a powerful business man who accuses people of masturbating to care about winning arguments, you are just someone who masturbates while I live in a mansion, and I don't ever masturbate, but you masturbate, masturbating, I have White employees who are always masturbating, I like to talk about masturbation, I hate Britain, Britain masturbates, people who beat me in arguments masturbate, Whites are masturbaters, once at a powerful business meeting, someone made fun of me for being unintelligent, but I quickly accused them of masturbating and thus didn't make myself look stupid."

To be honest, I would really love to see the reactions of your employees to examples of their boss losing arguments so badly that he is reduced to accusing someone of constantly masturbating in public.

Could it be that they are American? You know, the colony that got away. Just because we speak english isn't a valid defense against the current state of Britain. That would be like spain claiming its dominance because friggin 70% of South America speaks spanish.

You don't choose the language you are raised with.

Dear captain brain power.

I am writing to inform you that it is something of a strategic error to attempt to mock a civilization while at the same time showing clear signs of aforementioned civilization's influence on yourself and thus discrediting your own attempt at mockery by indirectly proving just how widespread, amazing and impacting the aforementioned civilization has been.

Which is exactley why I question it when people talk about how great and beautiful the English language is when it's just a convinient language to use. It IS the most convinient language to use, and it absorbs every different type of lexicon wherever it goes.

Just because English is a convenient language to use doesn't mean it isn't also a great and beautiful language. It's just that the average English learner isn't interested in the literature or other aesthetically developed aspects of the language, but only in learning enough for some business, simple conversation, or perhaps law or science.

Also, it's absorbed loanwords from all kinds of languages but not that many - the vast majority of its vocabulary is based on Anglo Saxon, French, and Latin. The process of borrowing is much more marked in the reverse these days, in that most languages borrow a lot of words from English.

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The English used before the Exploitative colonialism of the British is much different to the English used today, the reason why English has become the Lingua Franca is due to the USA and former English Speaking colonial countries such as India.

Yes, countries which speak English because of that exploitative colonialism.

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The British had nothing to do with the popularity or 'coolness' of the English language, it's credit goes to the Americans- I thought English was a cool language because of the gangster and cow boy movies. Not because I watched some bald and red-faced british politicians stuttering and wiping their sweat beads in parliment.

True. English has a wide range of styles, genres, and registers and the gangster style is seen all over the world as cool. It's pretty amusing to see Asians trying to look cool by copying it without any clue how ridiculous they look.

I've always had an ill opinion on the British, from how they act when they go oversea's to their snobby and jaded attitude deluding themselves that Britain still matters and that their achievments 150 years ago is applicable to the modern era. How hoardes of their losers go to Thailand to find a bride, and how most of them revolve around this pub culture where their only interest in life is Football, Rugby, Cricket and Beer.

Maxvictory just enforced what I already knew, i'm not surprised by his behaviour. He's most likely a Chav or another typical Beer/Football guy cradling his pint in the pub and bitterly muttering politics to a drunk and unappreciative audience.

Who gives a crap about whether or not English sounds pretty, the reason people are so familiar with it is becuase of the absolute massive amount of Imperialistic success a predominantly English speaking empire had on the world.

Just because English is a convenient language to use doesn't mean it isn't also a great and beautiful language. It's just that the average English learner isn't interested in the literature or other aesthetically developed aspects of the language, but only in learning enough for some business, simple conversation, or perhaps law or science.

Exactley, and that pretty much comprises of about 98% of people that speak English. Therefore, more people use English as a job tool than an admiration.

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Also, it's absorbed loanwords from all kinds of languages but not that many - the vast majority of its vocabulary is based on Anglo Saxon, French, and Latin. The process of borrowing is much more marked in the reverse these days, in that most languages borrow a lot of words from English.

Dosent erase the fact that it's still a Mongrel language (English), and whenever non-english speakers do borrow words, it's always concered with subjects that sorround the english language or something that's to do with English.

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Yes, countries which speak English because of that exploitative colonialism.

Besides India, there is really no other country that willingly speak's English.

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True. English has a wide range of styles, genres, and registers and the gangster style is seen all over the world as cool. It's pretty amusing to see Asians trying to look cool by copying it without any clue how ridiculous they look.

Lol, and what's worse is when Weeabo's try to speak Asian languages without knowing how ridiculous they look- the world dosent only go one way.

Also, the most spoken language in the world is Mandarin, with a high percentage of people in foreign countries starting to take Mandarin lessons- it's the predominant language in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Taiwan and of course China.