Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Oh, very well

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

For a long years Archlinux WAS my favorite linux distibutive. Because it was simple and powerfull, flexible configurabe. It was really best choise for home and for server! And now, archlinux turning into ....even not Unbutu, Arch turning into Windows!!

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

just switched my system over today. I don't consider myself to be that good yet, but I was surprised by how easy it was. and boot ups are now much faster. I do miss the simplicity of rc.conf, but in the end I think its good.

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

After a bit with systemd, I don't miss rc.conf anymore. The systemctl command makes things pretty simple once you figure it out. Plus, service files are stupid easy to write, and seem much more versatile.

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lesha-ssh wrote:

... Arch turning into Windows!!

Really?

Windows is turning into a smartphone.

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.— Isaac Asimov

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

ontobelli wrote:

lesha-ssh wrote:

... Arch turning into Windows!!

Really?

Windows is turning into a smartphone.

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.— Isaac Asimov

Best way to handle comments such as his is not to respond. Even ironically. Irony doesn't translate well on the web.

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Shifted to systemd today. After using it for a while, booting, rebooting etc. to see changes in performance, I join those happy with the new default. Two thumbs up for those at Arch who made this decision. My system boots and shuts down much, much faster (and it was already fast), and a number of niggling problems I had (the login prompt showing up ever so briefly but irritatingly when logging out or shutting down, and the auto mounting of disk drives, etc.) went away.

Thanks.

Edit: It also seems that this annoying boot error message, "watchdog: INTCAMT: cannot register miscdev on minor=130 (err=-16)", has also gone away. Early days, but I don't see this message or related errors in dmesg. Not sure if this has anything to do with today's upgrade to kernel 3.6.2-1 (yay!), but whatever it was, EXCELLENT!!

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

lesha-ssh wrote:

For a long years Archlinux WAS my favorite linux distibutive. Because it was simple and powerfull, flexible configurabe. It was really best choise for home and for server! And now, archlinux turning into ....even not Unbutu, Arch turning into Windows!!

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

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kinleyd wrote:

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

In pacman 4.1, the NoExtract option of pacman.conf will support wildcards. This means that

NoExtract=/etc/rc.d/* /etc/xinetd.d/*

is possible. Apart from uninstalling initscripts, there are no packages to remove I can think of.

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

After coming to love Linux through Ubuntu and Debian, I am now an Arch newbie and aficionado. While I've learned a ton, I still have a long way to go before I consider myself at all experienced with the OS. Moving to systemd frankly frightened me, especially since I was barely conversant with the rc scripts, but after taking the plunge I'm delighted. This morning my laptop failed to boot, but one look at the systemd logs and I knew exactly what the problem was and how fix it. Nice.

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

kinleyd wrote:

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

This will remove initscripts and leave rc.conf file as rc.conf.pacsave so it won't be used at all any more.

whistlingfish wrote:

After coming to love Linux through Ubuntu and Debian, I am now an Arch newbie and aficionado. While I've learned a ton, I still have a long way to go before I consider myself at all experienced with the OS. Moving to systemd frankly frightened me, especially since I was barely conversant with the rc scripts, but after taking the plunge I'm delighted. This morning my laptop failed to boot, but one look at the systemd logs and I knew exactly what the problem was and how fix it. Nice.

Welcome on forum It's good to see a sane person who don't blame whole world when his/hers system fail to boot. I'm glad it wasn't very much of a trouble for you.

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Yes, I had already uninstalled initscripts per the wiki, and was just wondering what kind and number of old files would be left floating around. I will check out the NoExtract option.

And to add to the good sentiments of whistlingfish (another good name!), I'm also a recent convert to Arch. Many years of Ubuntu prior to this, but I tired of waiting for program updates. Long story short, I love Arch! I've been able to tune my set up just the way I like it. The documentation makes this possible because it is just fantastic. My gushing thanks and gratitude to the Arch community for this wonderful experience.