IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T:Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby. My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785. No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock///CSB

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AdamK:welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

RockofAges:Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: Choosing a platform is for poor people.

Spending an additional $500 to unlock 10% more games is for stupid people.

I spend $490 ($2 a day and I have three weeks of vacation) a year on coffee during my morning commute. $500 extra every 8 years is a negligible sum of money.

I don't drink coffee. $2 for a cup of coffee sounds like a pretty bad deal compared to $3 for a bottle of wine. You are the same guy who said "this thread sounds poor" the other day, so I am probably right in assuming that money has little value to you as an apparent economic elitist.

So yea, go ahead and spend that $500 on your exclusive titles. I will keep it for a mortgage payment, personally, and pick the system up for $100 next year on Kijiji.

$2 is a pretty standard cost for drive through coffee, and $3 wine sounds like you buy some really shiatty wine unless you make your own in which case that's a pretty standard cost.

I never said I bought both consoles at release date. Why would I do that if the exclusives that I want aren't out yet? Either way if you can't afford an extra $500 every 8 years then maybe you shouldn't be spending anything on leisure activities because your finances must be pretty goddamned tight.

Korzine:For game consoles it usually takes at least a year for the library of games to stop sucking anyway. So it's not like you're really missing out on much if you wait either. The PS4 launch has been particularly lack luster. You have Killzone (Seems good but I'm kind of burned out on the fps genre), Knack (which is getting hammered by reviewers), and Rezogun which looks interesting, but not $400 worth of interesting.

I'll give you the current library isn't all that great, but the games that are out are pretty fun. I haven't gotten too far into KZ yet, but Knack is much better than reviewers give it credit for. It's not something your "hardcore" gamer will appreciate, but if you liked games like Spyro, you'll like Knack.

Rezogun is fun too, I haven't tried Contrast yet, but I've only heard good things.

And Warframe, for a free to play FPS, is pretty damn fun. I know it's available on PC as well, but I love the DS4 and the swiping to use abilities. My ass groove in my couch has never been deeper.

The console itself should have plenty of padding inside the box, so there is no real need for Amazon to put an additional layer of padding in there. UPS just needs to get their act together in your area. Where I live, I almost never get damaged boxes because my UPS guys seem to actually have some professionalism.

Two things:1) Padding in the box is irrelevant...shipping boxes should ALWAYS be packed and padded properly.2) No, your UPS guys are not special. Your driver may be professional, but at the warehouses your sh*t is getting tossed around and beaten like everyone else's. They don't give a crap.

On the one hand, retailers and manufacturers do a FAR better job tracking sales than they do tracking problems, and they're more motivated to make those figures look good. Failure reports likely only represent a fraction of actual failures, and failure reports on just one site (such as Reddit) represent only a miniscule fraction of even those. Moreover, DOAs are only a fraction of failures for a product launch. There will be plenty that power on but don't work right either immediately or soon.

On the other hand, when looking at after-purchase reviews on sites like Amazon, people with bad experiences are more motivated and more likely to post a review than people whose consoles work just fine.

BSABSVR:AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

But the gaming community is notoriously....let's be nice and say demanding when it comes to bugs.

The thing is, it has only been since the last console generation that the modern software model of ship first, debug second, and upload a patch third has even been possible. From Pong to the PS2, console titles had to work, because they couldn't just send a new disc in the mail once they finally got the thing reasonably debugged.

Of course the way the major blockbusters get pre-sold, you know that release day is going to happen whether or not the program compiles. I can't see the modern gamer waiting an extra day, let alone the "until its really done" the way old-school console titles had to be.

Yup, math is hard. People in general have a hard time visualizing big numbers, so it's easy for them to see that 500+ one star reviews means they have a 90% failure rate or something. That 0.04% failure rate Sony quoted out of a million sales would be 4k units, which again sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Not that I don't feel bad for anyone who got a bad one, but with that many sales it's going to happen to someone.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T:Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby. My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785. No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock///CSB

With a million consoles sold I'd be surprised if we didn't hear about a few thousands problems. The demographic that buys consoles on day one is the same demographic that will whine about it online if anything goes wrong.