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Monday, May 29, 2017

Chris Cornell: A Suicide Without Motive (PT 1)

It took a second to believe that...that's really occurring because it wasn't on the news yet..." - Josh Homme, regarding the 2015 Bataclan Shooting

Regardless of what you believe about Chris Cornell's death, the story given to the public simply makes no sense. If anyone thinks it does, they haven't looked very closely at it, so that is what we will do here. The first version of this blog was posted before toxicology reports were made public, and many details have been continually updated/changed by the press - so I have done my best to add notes where necessary in order to keep this info current and to illustrate how the narrative has been altered and in many cases contradicted. Many articles are appearing with headlines which are calling blogs such as this "conspiracy theory." How can this be conspiracy theory when the information regarding Cornell's supposed suicide doesn't make any sense? You need ESTABLISHED FACTS before you can begin to debunk. Incomplete information, contradictions, and constant changing of crucial details don't equate to FACT. On that note, let's take a closer look at these alleged "facts" the media gave us regarding Cornell's death.

FIRST, A BIT ABOUT SOURCES

The reason the man with the red shirt and X on his chest is pictured above is because most of what we know about Cornell's death comes from him. His name is Martin Kirsten. We are told he was Cornell's bodyguard and that he accompanied him to his room just after the show. Martin was not only the last person to see Cornell alive, but he also gave the singer 2 Ativan pills less than an hour before, and he is the person who discovered the body. So it is very important for people to understand that almost everything we know about Cornell's death so far relies on this man's testimony as given to the police, presumably in order to complete the police report, the main document most of the original stories were based upon and supposedly quoting. We know very little about Kirsten and he's not yet given any sort of statement regarding this to the press. We will go more into Martin Kirsten later in the blog, but just keep that in mind while you read on. The police report was then given to Detroit News. Almost every news story you see ANYWHERE was derived from Detroit New's supposed quoting of this police report. If other news sources have been given access to the police report initially, I had not found them. The other source of information, we are told, was Cornell's widow Vicky. The initial information from Vicky was based upon an interview given within 24 hours after Cornell's death. Nobody seems to have the entire unedited interview and she has not spoken in front of a camera regarding these events. Vicky's supposed account seems to compliment Martin Kirsten's account, although there were initially a couple different/contradictory versions of Vicky's account given to the public. The other source who has provided "exclusive" information OUTSIDE of the Detroit News narrative is TMZ. TMZ is known as a questionable tabloid style media source, but the unfortunate fact is that they have a wide influence given their huge financial backing. So we will include the few bits of information provided by TMZ simply because people generally believe what this tabloid publishes.

[11:15pm] Cornell had walked off stage with his bandmates about 11:15 p.m. to the raucous cheers of a sellout crowd of more than 5,000 fans.

[11:30pm] Within 15 minutes, Cornell was back in Room 1136 at the MGM, where bodyguard Martin Kirsten helped fix the star’s computer and gave him two doses of an anti-anxiety medicine, according to the police report.) According to the police report, Kirsten gave Cornell two Ativan pills, “which victim takes for anxiety,” the report said.

After playing an exhausting set in front of a sold out crowd, why would Cornell's first priority walking into his hotel be to get on his computer? At 52, he probably wanted to relax and leave that sort of thing till the morning. If he wanted to send some sort of message out to his fans he could easily have done this from his Smartphone. We are never told what he wanted to do, but obviously it must have been pretty important for him to bring his bodyguard along to help him out with it. His reasoning for needing a functioning computer becomes even more important when we consider he was about to hang himself. All of this goes completely unexplained in initial reports. This was the first red flag indicating a media coverup. [Detroit news has since altered this version of the story in a "FAQ" released July 21, 2017 - where they now state that Cornell summoned Kirsten to his room to "have his Apple TV fixed." Let's review the DIRECT QUOTE above, which states "bodyguard Martin Kirsten helped fix the star’s COMPUTER and gave him two doses of an anti-anxiety medicine, according to the POLICE REPORT." For those who do not know, Apple TV is NOT a "computer." It is a device which hooks up to a computer screen OR a television screen and allows streaming of content. Martin Kirsten was the source of the information contained within the police report. If he was fixing Cornell's computer OR his Apple TV, he would know the difference and would not confuse the two. On top of that, Detroit News is contradicting their OWN earlier report! Clearly, the reason the public was never allowed to view the police report is because the script writers of this false event wanted the freedom to ALTER the narrative if needed. If at some point the police report magically "pops up," it will likely reflect the most recent version of supposed events, rather than previously reported versions. But as of yet, the public has not been able to view it and we are getting multiple versions of what it says from sources supposedly in possession of it]

We are told Cornell had a prescription for Ativan. Why is his bodyguard holding his prescription and why is he being left with the responsibility of dolling it out? Why is Kirsten not speaking out about Cornell's drug use that night? If we are to believe all of these stories about how "off" Cornell was during his last performance, surely his own bodyguard and "family friend" could assess his condition and knew that it was not smart for his client to take pills at that point. So why did he give them to him? We never get the answer to this question. Also, if Cornell is having his computer fixed [oh excuse me, his "APPLE TV"] so that he can get into it, why would he take Ativan? Again, he just played an exhausting sold out performance. Ativan is taken as an ANTI ANXIETY. It calms you down and makes you sleepy. If he had something so important to do on the computer, why would he want to be sleepy? This doesn't add up because it didn't happen that way. [And by changing the "computer" to an "Apple TV," the question remains even more applicably - what did Cornell need with the Apple TV that was so urgent? So he could WATCH SOMETHING before killing himself? I'm sure this is left open so that people will conjecture that he wanted to watch porn so he could asphyxiate himself after. But even the media hasn't clearly offered that one up. If he was watching some sort of porn, this could easily have been discovered by logging into his account. Therefore, he obviously wasn't or we'd have heard about it. So again, what did he need the Apple TV for? If you are spending a bunch of time asking WHY the media would want to help cover things up here, a good place to start might first be to acknowledge the coverup]

[11:35pm] At 11:35 p.m., Cornell was on the phone with his wife. “He was different,” she said. Her husband was slurring his words, sounded groggy and kept repeating: “I’m just tired,” according to a family statement and a police report obtained by The Detroit News. “When he told me he may have taken an extra Ativan or two, I contacted security and asked that they check on him.” “Victim’s wife ... stated victim is a recovered drug addict,” the report said.)

An "extra Ativan or 2?" If his bodyguard gave him 2, what are the extras he is talking about? This is incomplete information. [the post mortem/toxicology reports which were later released indicated Cornell had taken a total of 4 Ativan pills. Still, no explanation is provided as to when/how he took the other 2. Why don't we have an interview with Martin Kirsten clearing these details up? If he gave Cornell 2 pills, he obviously had the bottle on his person and would know when/how Cornell took the other 2. He is obviously being protected. If he is innocent, why does he need protection?]

If Cornell was already on the phone with his wife 5 minutes after getting back to his hotel, does this mean his computer was already fixed, that Kirsten already left, that he already popped 2 pills, and that he already did what he needed to do on the computer? [again, this detail was changed to "Apple TV." This is even less plausible because how did he even manage to WATCH anything if he went right on the phone with his wife?] That is an awful lot to cram into 5 minutes. We are also told that he was "slurring his speach" on the phone with his wife at this point. If the Ativan was responsible, how did it kick in so fast? Pills do not kick in within 5 minutes even if you are on an empty stomach. This is why it is very important to know what Chris may have (or not) taken before the show. But regardless, he was not slurring his speech when addressing the audience less than an hour before and he sang well I thought, for a 52 year old man singing some of the most challenging songs in Hard Rock. As of this writing, we are still awaiting toxicology reports. But at this point it's almost a given that there is a cover up regarding events before the show, as the band is not being allowed to speak publicly. Surely they would know what Chris does before his shows, would they not? If anyone knows when Chris' performance is off, it's the guys he's been playing music intimately with for the past 33 years or so. And yet, we've heard nothing from them. While I was typing this up, Greg Allman passed away. We had a statement from the band within less than 24 hours. He was known to be struggling with his health, and he was 69. Not that it is any less tragic, but that sounds like a believable story. Cornell's story on the other hand, just has red flags all over it. Let's look at some more.

[12am] Police received a 911 call at approximately 12 a.m. from a family friend, according to Michael Woody, Director of Media Relations for the Detroit Police Department.[Rolling Stone]

According to Detroit News, a medic didn't show up until 12:56am. If Kirsten didn't get the call from Cornell's wife until 12:15, it's pretty hard for this "family friend" to have made the 911 call at "approximately 12am." At the earliest, he would have called about 12:17. Is that "approximately 12am?" Also, it doesn't take an hour for a medic to show up after getting a 911 call. A homeless man would have had a medic quicker. Either Rolling Stone is lying, Michael Woody lied, Detroit Daily news is lying, or all of the above. Also, 911 calls are time stamped and recorded. There is nothing "approximate" about them. Details like this are slightly important when we're talking about the possible suicide of someone who had no apparent motive to do so. In fact, Cornell had quite a bit of motive to live. Do we hear that in the media reporting on this? Its sad that everyone in this story gets the benefit of the doubt except Chris Cornell, who isn't here to give his side.

Various news articles have reported this story in a similar manner, but Martin Kirsten is often referred to in different ways, ranging from "Family Friend," to "The Security Team," to "Cornell's Bodyguard." All these articles are saying the same thing and gathering info from the same source. If there is only 1 police report and Michael Woody (director of media relations for Detroit police dept) is the only one who gave the public this information, why is there anything vague at all about who was called to check on Cornell? Why do so many of these news articles omit Martin Kirsten's name, when clearly, he is the one who was called to check on Chris? Also, where is the proof that he was a "family friend" or even Cornell's "bodyguard" at all? Don't bodyguards typically appear in public with their clients? Good luck finding a pic of Martin Kirsten with Chris Cornell, let alone with his family. (You will however find tons of pictures with him and Heidi Klume, with whom he had a year long affair which began before she divorced Seal and while he was her bodyguard - more on this later) It's pretty hard to GUARD someone's BODY when you aren't even in their physical presence.

[12:15am] She [Vicky Cornell, Chris' wife] called Kirsten at 12:15 a.m....After hearing from Vicky Cornell, Kirsten walked two doors down to Cornell’s suite, to which he had a key, but found the door latched, the report said. “(Kirsten) called security from hotel phone in hallway ... stating he needs to get into (the) room to check on (the) victim,” the report said....“Security stated they can not let him into the room because he is not registered to that room,” the report said. “At this time (Kirsten) kicked in the door with his feet and ... went to the bedroom door and (the) latch had been engaged on this door also. “(Kirsten) again called for security but could not gain access to (the) room,” the report said. “At this time (Kirsten) kicked in (the) bedroom door and found victim laying on the bathroom floor.”

When Martin Kirsten called Hotel security and they refused to let him into the room, common sense dictates that security would be on their way in seconds, at the very least to check things out. This is a man trying to get into a room he is "not authorized" to go into after midnight. What kind of security staff wouldn't go check on this matter, especially when we are talking about the singer of a very big band? There is simply no logic to this. I would certainly like to hear these phone calls and see the video footage, which allegedly was used to determine Kirsten Martin did not re enter Cornell's room after fixing his computer and fixing him with pills. I'd like to see this video footage of Martin Kirsten kicking a door down which is double locked from the inside and so would a lot of people. Why doesn't TMZ obtain/release this footage? Surely they have the inside sources and the money to bribe the right people. They are so keen on sensationalism, this would seem to be a "no brainer." If I owned TMZ, that would be a top priority. But if I was helping to cover things up, I would not touch the subject. I would focus on making Cornell look like a suicidal, depressed drug addict, And that is exactly what TMZ has been doing from the start of this.

No, my foot doesn't hurt at all after kicking that door in. In fact, I'm ready to break down another!

If Kirsten is a career bodyguard, I suppose his ability to kick in a door which is double locked on the inside at a high end hotel would be better than the average person. Nonetheless, I'm sure kicking down the door was no easy task and probably made a very loud noise. But apparently this kicking down of Chris Cornell's hotel door was not reason for hotel security to immediately show up, nor bystanders from other rooms to come by who would surely have heard the noise. In fact, HE calls security. He is now INSIDE the room having broken a door down. Again nobody shows up, again he doesn't knock or ask if Chris is ok through the door, simply bashes the door down with his super human foot, which probably is in just perfect condition after kicking in the front door already. None of this happened, it doesn't make any sense.

Kirsten finds Chris' body on the floor, but how did the body get on the floor if he hung himself? [this detail was altered later, see PT II] Detroit News never gives any details regarding how Cornell managed to hang himself, only that he USED an exercise band. So that is only HALF THE STORY. Why are they leaving out the other half? Without something to fasten this exercise band to, which could hold Cornell's entire body weight until he dies, only strangulation could have caused his death. And I doubt in his "drugged out" state he had the strength to do that. That leaves only Kirsten with the ability to strangle Cornell. But who comes to the rescue here to save Kirsten from this incriminating possibility?

We've learned the Soundgarden frontman secured a red elastic exercise band attached to a carabiner to the top of his hotel bathroom door. A carabiner is a device commonly used by mountain climbers which they attach to a belt to keep them from falling. The device can withstand enormous weight...Cornell jammed the door shut with the carabiner at the top of the frame. The carabiner was jammed so tight it left an indentation in the door frame. [TMZ posted 5/19/17]

Apparently the preferred tools of a suicidal man so heavily sedated he is slurring his words...

When TMZ says "we've learned that..." and doesn't even bother to give the source, you can bet this is an outright lie [TMZ was the only news source who initially reported Cornell's use of a caribiner clip. This detail was later verified by the post mortem report - suggesting that the authors of the post mortem report and TMZ are in collusion - I go into more detail about this in PT II] Details such as this given with no source are exactly the sort of details the cynical public often uses against "conspiracy theorists" to invalidate their observations. But let's entertain this detail for a moment - rather than simply shut the door on the exercise band so that one handle is on the OTHER side of it (which would surely be as good, or better to hold it in place), he decides to use some climbing gear clip device and JAM it between the upper door and the frame? This all sounds way too difficult and overly complicated for a guy who is all fucked up and slurring his words. Ativan makes you tired, it doesn't turn you into Macgyver. Chris was not a short man, he was 6'2. An average door frame is about 6'8. That gives him 6"s of stretch before his feet touch the ground. Since we have no pictures of any of this, we have no way of looking up the exercise band to determine if it has 6"s of stretch or more and what the stretch rating is, or to observe whether the handle could even FIT inside the caribiner clip! [some crime scene pictures have surfaced via Detroit News, I debunk them pretty easily in pt II] One might assume the exercise band wasn't meant to handle supporting the weight of an entire human body. Chris Cornell was not a small guy, so he must have been around 175 to 200LBs. That's a lot of weight for an exercise band AND a carabiner jammed into a door frame to support, regardless of how awesome his "carabiner jamming abilities" were. If that all supported his weight while he twitched and squirmed to death by hanging, he'd very likely still be hanging around 15 minutes or so later when Kirsten arrived [this part of the narrative was altered when the toxicology/post mortem report was released, stating he was found "partially suspended," rather than on the floor. Keep in mind, Detroit News already claimed to be in possession of the police report, when they specifically reported that the body was found on the floor. I explore these contradictions in PT II]

Being an experienced bodyguard, why didn't Mr Marten attempt CPR and take the band off of Cornell's neck immediately? When Dimebag Darrell was shot multiple times, we had a witness who went on record stating she was a nurse and immediately tried to perform CPR on Darrell, who was on the ground bleeding from the head. There were others who got shot attempting to give Darrell CPR as well. How would these people know to attempt CPR and yet Martin Kirsten did not? Again, this is all bullshit. [this part of the story was also augmented later, where it was added that Martin "loosened" the band and performed CPR before anyone else arrived. There is no mention of this detail previous to the release of the Toxicology report, again hinting that the release of the toxicology report was used as a method to also re-write parts of the narrative or add details out of thin air to parts of the narrative which didn't make complete sense the first time around.]

[12:56] MGM medic Dawn Jones arrived at the room at 12:56 a.m., the report said. “Jones untied the red exercise band from (the) victim’s neck and began CPR on (Cornell, who) was not breathing.”
EMS Unit 42 was at the scene by 1 a.m. An emergency medical technician also unsuccessfully performed CPR on Cornell, according to the report.

If Martin Kirsten went and kicked down 2 doors to save Cornell at about 12:15am, that means it took 41 minutes before a medic arrived. The story we were told makes it sound like Martin Kirsten broke down 2 doors and made a couple calls to the front desk one after the other. If we were to give Martin the benefit of the doubt (which is all anyone is doing during this entire investigation by the way) we could say it took 15 minutes for him to break down the doors and discover Chris (again, no witnesses, no hotel staff show up during this time). That still leaves 26 minutes before the Medic arrives. And its not like this medic was coming from across town, we are told he was the MGM house medic. Also, if someone called 911, why did the MGM medic show up before the city of Detroit ambulance/medic? Security guards couldn't be bothered to show up when Kirsten is calling them AS he is bashing doors down, but they send a medic? This whole part of the story is extremely shady and the hotel and authorities need to give us some answers! But nobody's talking and this seems to be just fine with the public, who are busy sharing tear jerking stories about loved ones who they "also lost to mental illness."

[1:30] “At 1:30AM on 5/18/2017, victim was pronounced dead (by a doctor who came to the scene),” the report said.

Homicide detectives arrived at the room and began their investigation, while another officer phoned Cornell’s wife to break the news he’d been found dead.

The Cornell family, pictured here 5/26/17 at Chris Cornell's funeral less than 2 weeks after discovering he hung himself to death. The body had already been cremated at this point

In a statement issued by Vicky Cornell and attorney Kirk Pasich, the lawyer said the family needs the results of toxicology tests to be sure what happened to the alternative rocker. “The family believes that if Chris took his life, he did not know what he was doing, and that drugs or other substances may have affected his actions,” Pasich said.

I'm not going to get into these statements by Vicky Cornell and her lawyer, because at this point we've already got more than enough lies to digest and sort through. But I think it is telling that nobody seems to have published the entire un-edited interview with Vicky nor do we have her on camera making any comments. It is disturbing to note that there are indications she is assisting with the cover up, or is perhaps being censored in some way. Whether that is for her own and her family's protection or not I don't know. But something is very wrong here, and its bigger than people realize.

A BIT ABOUT MARTIN KIRSTEN

Despite how it sounds, I am not claiming that Martin Kirsten took out Chris Cornell. But it sure looks that way. We don't really know anything about him, accept from what we know about his previous relationship with Heidi Klume. This story was very well publicized and there are many pictures online. Kirsten was Klume's body guard for a few years while she was still married to singer Seal. Although Seal and Klume were already separated, they were still legally married when Klume started seeing Kirsten. Seal's feelings on this matter were very public, and he didn't exactly think it was cool. Martins reputation as a "house dad" was then fostered as he was pictured with Klume's children publicly. The reason Kirsten "dumped" Klume was that he felt he was spending too much time being a Dad to Klume's children and his "security career" was suffering. When they broke up, Klume supposedly bought Kirsten's mom a house in South Africa and gave him a bunch of money so "he wouldn't talk." We are never told why or what she didn't want him talking about.

There is also a small story that made the news a few years back when a stalker of Chris Cornell was supposedly "foiled" by Kirsten when he spotted her in a crowd and had authorities head her off. It was a very unimpressive story which I will not bother posting here - you can google it.

The only other things we know about Martin Kirsten is that he was apparently born in South Africa, but gets called "an Aussie," presumably because he moved to Australia at some point. Good luck trying to find out anything else about this guy, including how he came to be a "friend" and bodyguard of Chris Cornell. As stated earlier, there don't seem to be any pictures of the 2 of them online anywhere.

IN MY TIME OF DYING

It has been widely reported that Soundgarden closed their last show with "In My Time of Dying," a Led Zeppelin song. This is being sold as some sort of indication that Chris intended to kill himself. Anyone who looks this up will discover that first of all, they don't do the song at all, Chris simply inserts an almost spoken word version of a few of the lines in the MIDDLE of the song "Slaves and Bulldozers." That is much different than playing the entire song. They've been closing their set like this for many years, in fact I found a 2013 version of it on youtube which took all of 3 minutes to find. It would be much different if they never played it and then suddenly did it the night he died. However, if my memory serves correct, during that same part of the song Cornell USED to at times speak lines from the song "Alive" by Pearl Jam. The fact he switched from "ALIVE" lyrics to "In My Time of Dying" lyrics, I will admit, creeps me out a little. And I would also be lying if I did not admit his face during the last performance does, at times, feel as though he may know he is giving his last performance. But these are things that are very easy to read into in retrospect and could simply be ones imagination. Cornell often had a somber delivery, as his music does have somber moments. I can even recall seeing them in the early 90s and witnessing Chris stumble and smirk about while he screamed his lungs out. So its not like any of this wasn't already part of his act. And if anything I would think his age has only exaggerated these mannerisms. It's part of why we loved him. He was a sincere, emotional performer. That's not the same thing at all as being "suicidal."

TMZ EXCLUSIVE CONTENT

Chris Cornell 'High, F***ed Up' During Last PerformanceChris Cornell was messed up during his Detroit concert ... hours before he committed suicide -- this according to a longtime confidant who was present and working the event....Ted Keedick, who worked with Chris for the last decade as his house engineer and tour manager, tells TMZ, "Chris was out of character from note 1 of the show. I've never heard or seen him that way before, at least if we did not cancel a show."...Keedick says Chris seemed "high" and "f***ed up," but not depressed. In fact, Keedick says during sound check Chris was in good spirits. It's consistent with what Chris' widow says of her phone conversations with Chris before and after the show....Keedick says Chris was off during the entire show, saying, "I'd never heard his voice that way before. He was having serious control problems."...Keedick was positioned in the middle of the audience with his mixing board, and at one point during the concert he was so concerned he phoned someone backstage and asked what was wrong with Chris.

I haven't looked this Ted Keedick guy up, but I have seen the footage and I have seen Soundgarden many times over the years. Cornell sang and played fine to me. Soundgarden songs are VERY demanding on Cornell, and the fact he can get through the set at all at 52 simply can't be done if you are a drugged out suicidal man. Also, why would Soundgarden members not be allowed to speak to the public but this guy IS? Why is Martin Kirsten not speaking to the public but THIS GUY is? This is to keep us on the DUMB path, and to make sure we don't get on the SMART PATH.

Chris Cornell Fresh Track Marks on ArmChris Cornell had apparently taken more than Ativan before hanging himself, because we've learned he had fresh track marks on his arm when his body was discovered in a Detroit hotel room....Sources connected to the investigation tell us ... the track marks were "obvious." The singer had a history of using drugs. The toxicology tests will reveal what drugs were found in Chris' system....The new information is consistent with our story that Ted Keedick, Chris' longtime house engineer and tour manager, said Chris seemed "high" and "f***ed up" during the concert ... hours before his death.

"Sources Connected to the Investigation." Wow, well it must be true then! The body was cremated before the funeral, so I don't suppose we will get any pictures verifying this. Again, this is being done to portray Cornell as a junkie, which any real fan knows he was not. [this statement about the track marks was altered in a later TMZ story where they admit the track marks were the result of injections made AFTER he was already dead in hopes to revive Cornell in case he had overdosed on opiates which he had not - more in PT II]

Chris Cornell Used Exercise Band and Sturdy Clip Device To Hang HimselfWe've learned the Soundgarden frontman secured a red elastic exercise band attached to a carabiner to the top of his hotel bathroom door. A carabiner is a device commonly used by mountain climbers which they attach to a belt to keep them from falling. The device can withstand enormous weight....Cornell jammed the door shut with the carabiner at the top of the frame. The carabiner was jammed so tight it left an indentation in the door frame.

The "Carabiner" theory is soley attributed to TMZ. "We've learned" is not a source, it's a fabrication. Why did the police report given to Detroit News omit this detail if it were true? (detroit News went so far as to print excerpts which were obviously made to look like direct quotes from the Police Report. Nobody, I mean NOBODY is calling them out on this. Why?) The elastic band was graphic enough, but only half the explanation. Why are we getting the other half of the explanation from this questionable source? [again, this detail was later incorporated into the post mortem report - citing the same police report which previously omitted this information.]

In part 2 I discuss the information contained within the toxicology report, I take a closer look at news reports, newly released photos supposedly from the death scene, and statements in the press which were supposedly made by Vicky Cornell.

I'm starting to wonder if Martin did something once they got back to the hotel and that there never was any phone call between Vicky and Chris, cause I looked up how long it takes for a body to cool down after passing away and it reports anywhere between 2-4 hours, and in the 911 call they are saying body is cool to touch. So even though Martin left the room at 11.35pm that still could have been his opportunity. And I'm wondering if there was even a phone call between Chris and Vicky. And although Martin states he got there at 12.56 am, perhaps he didnt go there until at least 1.15am and magically kicked those doors down without any other guests coming out to investigate what all the commotion is. And although Vicky says they did have a phone call, perhaps its her alibi. I hope some time soon the truth will come out.﻿Show lessREPLY