Greer @ O.C. MUFON Presentation Nov 10: A ReCap/Pics

I just wanted to point out, to Fry, tezzajw, Vaeni etc, that when it comes to finding out the Truth about Greer and his projects, ATS has dropped the
ball time and time again!

For example, if you recall, an effort was started earlier this year to get a senior rep from ATS out to Mt. Shasta-fest or another CSETI expedition to
find out for 100% sure what goes on, and I even offered to throw down the first $100 myself - but the effort was completely and utterly shut down.

It should also be pointed out, a certain Super Mod of high standing here seemed to come close to volunteering, and all the Debunkers evinced a quite
curious reaction - instead of going "YEAH!!! Do it, go for it, let's find out the Truth once and for all!", they were like "Oh nononono, nononono,
wait a minute, don't get talked into going! It's too 'dangerous', you could get killed! NONONONO! Don't go!"

Hmmmmm.......... that's really odd, why would that be???

Also, the news broke earlier this year that several New-Energy inventors are, for the first time in history as far as I can tell, being brought
together under a strategic umbrella and receiving millions in funding in order to get their technologies
disclosed. And of course, Steven Greer and AERO are intimately involved with the Potomac Energy Project.

I've been watching the boards closely since this news - and not a SINGLE person has piped up, "WOW! That's really big news! Hey shouldn't we get
some scientists and electrical engineers together and go investigate this, see if any of these inventors really have something??"

Talk about apathy!!!

AND, it should also be pointed out, earlier this year Springer officially gave the OK

for ATS members to contact Steven Greer and invite him to
participate here or do an ATS Mix interview.

How many ATS members went ahead and tried?

As far as I can tell - 2! Myself, and Palasheea!

Considering that Greer Inc must be deluged with hundreds of emails all the time, a measly 2 emails aren't going to make any difference amidst all the
other flotsam and jetsam!

I had requested that hundreds, or thousands of people join me in inviting Dr. Greer - but did people do it? NO.

Folks, it's our own fault that we still don't know the Truth about Greer.... it seems that people are content to simply sit back and cast judgment
on him rather than make any legitimate effort at investigation.

Tell you what man, he comes to the Toronto area and you put up ALL the money I'll go. You have my word on that. I'll preface this with the fact that
I don't believe aliens are here, so if it's a matter of faith, disappointment might follow.

I won't be paying for this myself (or attempting to raise the $$$ for it and getting locked out of my account

), but perhaps the staff would
consider helping to fund it? A few hundred dollars is pocket-change, really.....

Also I should point out, the technique for making Contact involves meditation, higher states of consciousness, remote-viewing and telepathic
communications etc.... so if you are not at least somewhat open-minded about those concepts, you may not be the best choice....

1.) I am friends with a gal who is enrolled in the Greer school for dumbnosity. She went on one of those expeditions and swears she saw mysterious
lights. We drove to the X-con together and she was certain a UFO was beside us. It took some coaxing from another passenger to get her to see that it
was only a plane. And we're talking no question--normal blinking lights and everything. A PLANE.

2.) Regardless of #1, let's say Greer meditates and calls down some lights or what have you. Is it because Greer is a magic man or is it because he
and you and I and anyone can, for free, right now, call this thing into our lives if we concentrate hard enough? Whether this is because they are
telepathic beings picking up our thoughts or because they function in some space between objective & subjective reality I don't know. Probably
there's another reason--but it does stand to reason that this is possible given the abundance of testimony in this direction.

1.) I am friends with a gal who is enrolled in the Greer school for dumbnosity. She went on one of those expeditions and swears she saw mysterious
lights. We drove to the X-con together and she was certain a UFO was beside us. It took some coaxing from another passenger to get her to see that it
was only a plane. And we're talking no question--normal blinking lights and everything. A PLANE.

They claim to have had much more spectacular experiences than that - mass witnessings of huge Triangle crafts etc. Even some rare face-to-face
contact.

2.) Regardless of #1, let's say Greer meditates and calls down some lights or what have you. Is it because Greer is a magic man or is it
because he and you and I and anyone can, for free, right now, call this thing into our lives if we concentrate hard enough?

The latter. Greer's claim is that many of the ET races are fully telepathic and they can detect when you are reaching out to them in higher states of
consciousness. So not just Greer can vector them in, but anybody who takes the training.

Folks, it's our own fault that we still don't know the Truth about Greer

But most of us DO know the truth about greer - and since you're too lazy too dig through our threads during the last months - he's a greedy liar and
a total fraud. Please feel free to reread the links you've been given where you'll be able to find proof for this fact.
As you said it yourself, two people reacted in a thread, that's still in the top20. Sure, pretty easy to call all the others apathic, the thought,
that people still know all that's about to know about cult greer won't come into your mind.
Honestly, i don't need anyone to further watch his laser show and love sit-ins. I heard enough eyewitnesses and have read their testimonies and the
people claiming it to be be greatly embellished seem to be more tethered to reality in my own personal opinion.
Mrd, honestly, as you said, a few hundred dollars are pocket change for you - GO THERE, for gods sake, please go for yourself, vector alien brothers,
share the love and stop asking others to find your answers.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
But most of us DO know the truth about greer - and since you're too lazy too dig through our threads during the last months - he's a greedy liar and
a total fraud. Please feel free to reread the links you've been given where you'll be able to find proof for this fact.

Links, web pages - these are not conclusive proof either way. They are highly subjective, subject to opinion and interpretation, and DIVISIVE.

Having a credible representative of ATS go there with video equipment,
collect some footage AS WELL AS corroborating witness testimony, that would be much closer to real Proof.

Think about it.....

Mrd, honestly, as you said, a few hundred dollars are pocket change for you - GO THERE, for gods sake, please go for yourself, vector alien brothers,
share the love and stop asking others to find your answers.

NOT me.

The concept is for a real credible representative of ATS to go and help establish a real Diplomatic relationship with CSETI.

I think most would agree, I can hardly be considered a senior, credible representative of ATS!

Funny, I actually had film of greer at the X conference and was gonna put it on Youtube for everyone, but my band played a gig a couple weeks ago and
with only one digital casette available I let my friend tape over it so he could tape the gig! But not much to miss, it was the same regurgitated
stuff about free energy, his meeting with the CIA head, and then he talked about the loving aliens. Basically if you read his latest book, you might
as well have attended. This is kind of mean and off topic but my friend who attended and who knows nothing about Greer was stongly of the opinion
that Greer is gay. Doesn't matter either way of course who cares, but it's interesting that his mannerisms when he speaks really do trigger the
gaydar.

I think there is something to be said for ATS people not getting more proactive to find out if he's real or a fraud. This is the largest message
board for UFO related topics, so if an investigative team can't be rallied here then I can't think of anywhere else where anonymous people can get
something going to investigate unless you rallied your local Mufon crew to do something or a group of that nature.

Personally, following Greer's stuff is a hobby, and while I find it really interesting and would love to know his deal, I'm too busy paying the
mortgage and also would be a little intimidated to take the step of actually going. It's one thing to post on a message board but quite another to
tell your wife your going to Mount Shasta for the weekend and will be spending a few hundred bucks to try and vector in UFO's! Not gonna happen!

by the way, Steve Bassett sent out the list of speakers for the next X Conference, some really tasty names on there including Paul Hellyer and Edgar
Mitchell among others. Fortunatley IMO, I did not see Greer on the list, so it looks like the conference will be much more down to earth and the tone
much more credible!!!

Originally posted by rocketsauce
I think there is something to be said for ATS people not getting more proactive to find out if he's real or a fraud. This is the largest message
board for UFO related topics, so if an investigative team can't be rallied here then I can't think of anywhere else where anonymous people can get
something going to investigate unless you rallied your local Mufon crew to do something or a group of that nature.

Well said rocketsauce.

But I think it goes further than that. This community's motto is "Deny Ignorance" - but in order to do that, we have to know the Truth!

The issues surrounding Greer and Contact and New Energy, are some of the biggest there are! Do we not owe it to ourselves to find out if all this
stuff is true?

The debunkers will try to convince you not to even try, of course. But what if a little legwork and investigation could bear real fruit?

They are highly subjective, subject to opinion and interpretation, and DIVISIVE

No, nothing subjective about Mothra, this was a lie. Nothing to interpret on the guitar wielding rogue soldiers, this was a lie. How about the CIA
briefing ? Remember the public statement that this was a lie ?
For being divisive....well, that's ufology and i guess at least 90% of the topic are, unfortunately. Show me anything regarding our topic, that's
not

The concept is for a real credible representative of ATS to go and help establish a real Diplomatic relationship with CSETI

Yes sure, i know, that you want to establish some relation between ATS and greer, but again, let me ask you - why ? I'm not accusing you of marketing
(this time

), i just don't see any advantage for ATS or you here. If the results of an ATS official would be that he's a lieing fraud, you simply
would call them biased and demand another one being sent there. What then ? Credible people have presented their case on ATS and you've chosen to not
believe them.
So, where's the point in having him here ?

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
No, nothing subjective about Mothra, this was a lie. Nothing to interpret on the guitar wielding rogue soldiers, this was a lie. How about the CIA
briefing ? Remember the public statement that this was a lie ?

Actually, Woolsey does admit that Greer and his wife were at the dinner party with his friend and their wives.

Why else would Steven Greer be at a small dinner party with James Woolsey, the sitting CIA director at the time? The two of them are just buds and
they like to hang out and have small discrete dinner parties regularly?

Woolsey et al only objected to the dinner party being characterized as a "UFO briefing".

My guess: Woolsey was railroaded by "them" into officially denying that he had been briefed by Greer (something which would lend Greer instant,
massive credibility).

The concept is for a real credible representative of ATS to go and help establish a real Diplomatic relationship with CSETI

Yes sure, i know, that you want to establish some relation between ATS and greer, but again, let me ask you - why ? I'm not accusing you of marketing
(this time

), i just don't see any advantage for ATS or you here.

Honestly?

Because I feel that Greer is WAYYYY ahead of ATS in terms of Disclosure, and there's a lot ATS could learn from him!

The questions of whether or not UFOs are real and if we are indeed being visited by advanced, ethical extraterrestrial civilizations, and if it is
possible for ordinary civilians of Earth to go out and make Contact with them - I believe Greer already had these questions answered,
definitively, by like 1992!

And yet here it is, 2008, and ATS is STILL searching for capital-P Proof of Contact! The debates as to whether UFOs and ETs are real, whether or not
we are being visited, what their agendas are and whether they are Good or Evil etc, STILL rage on, day after day, with no end in sight it seems....

My motive in pushing for a real Diplomatic, investigative effort, is NOT to benefit Greer Inc financially - rather I am looking out for ATS and trying
to aid in its progress!

The days of ATS sitting back and simply being an impartial discussion forum are over - and I am betting people like Springer will agree. It is time
for ATS to do the necessary legwork, get the Proof that it needs, and join people like Greer and Webre and Salla and Bassett and Rosin and Gilliland
at the forefront of the Disclosure/Exopolitics movement.

If the results of an ATS official would be that he's a lieing fraud, you simply would call them biased and demand another one being sent there. What
then ? Credible people have presented their case on ATS and you've chosen to not believe them.

Nope. If a proper investigation is done, by sending out a couple of open-minded but rational reps with video equipment to Shasta-fest, to capture
footage AND interview eyewitnesses, and it comes back negative - I will leave ATS and never come back. Happy?

I am betting that CSETI would even be willing to waive all the training fees and let the reps attend for free, IF they are approached in the
proper spirit of Diplomacy and not "we're going to come and check up on you and expose you as the lying frauds you are!"

In the end it's not my decision to make though, nor is it my role to provide funding or line up volunteers. The decision has to come from the
staff....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
My guess: Woolsey was railroaded by "them" into officially denying that he had been briefed by Greer (something which would lend Greer instant,
massive credibility).

A guess? Is that the best that you have to go on... a guess???

Because I feel that Greer is WAYYYY ahead of ATS in terms of Disclosure, and there's a lot ATS could learn from him!

Some of the ATS staff search actual government FOIA documents for proof of a paper-trail. They also do the behind-the-scenes legwork to keep the
standards here high and they spend their own time researching and contributing to TV specials. Remember that they do it all while offering FREE forum
access for members.

Cult Greer offers pay-to-pray vector-parties to witness lights in the sky and listen to hooting owls.

You can't compare a professional, classy website like ATS, to a fraudlent Cult that sells lies.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
My guess: Woolsey was railroaded by "them" into officially denying that he had been briefed by Greer (something which would lend Greer instant,
massive credibility).

A guess? Is that the best that you have to go on... a guess???

WHY would Steven Greer and his wife be at a small, discrete dinner party with the sitting CIA Director, if not for Greer to brief him?

Woolsey just likes to hang out and party with "Country Doctors from Virginia" in his spare time?

Because I feel that Greer is WAYYYY ahead of ATS in terms of Disclosure, and there's a lot ATS could learn from him!

Some of the ATS staff search actual government FOIA documents for proof of a paper-trail. They also do the behind-the-scenes legwork to keep the
standards here high and they spend their own time researching and contributing to TV specials.

Which is all great, and people should find paper trails in government documents, but 16 years ago Steven Greer was vectoring in large Triangle
crafts in front of many eyewitnesses! And there are at least 3 different references to people being shown a tape of the 1992 "Gulf Breeze" incident
on the web, if you recall.

Greer already proved Contact, years ago. You are right in that the fact that CSETI won't put any of their footage up on the web is suspect, but
perhaps Greer has some sort of good reason for keeping a low profile with CSETI.

We'll never know for certain, until we look into it

Cult Greer offers pay-to-pray vector-parties to witness lights in the sky and listen to hooting owls.

You can't compare a professional, classy website like ATS, to a fraudlent Cult that sells lies.

Remember what I said about debunkers trying to convince ATS not to investigate Greer?

While i still fail to see anything ATS can win with being in contact with greer, i can clearly see his advantages in being covered here. Judging by
page rankings, ATS is VERY much more successful then anything the cult leader has brought up so far.

The diner with Woolsey, well i presume in your world Woolsey belongs to "them" and therefor can't have any human interests in things like ufo or
just having a little sideshow freak as entertainment. Remember the Fedex ? Where is it ? He's been publicly embarrased by all other diner guests, he
could easily dismiss this with posting this single Fedex and still....he won't come up with it.

I will leave ATS and never come back. Happy?

Seriously no, while i certainly don't agree a single bit with your view of reality, i respect your input.

Greer already proved Contact, years ago.

Guys, we can all go home and stop researching. The simple country doctor has once and for all proven contact. Guess it's time to stop with ATS and
the myriad of other sites and researchers out there, because greer has already proven it.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
While i still fail to see anything ATS can win with being in contact with greer, i can clearly see his advantages in being covered here. Judging by
page rankings, ATS is VERY much more successful then anything the cult leader has brought up so far.

If you only go by Internet popularity, then yeah.

But like I've said before, Greer doesn't prioritize the Internet; he's spent the last 17 years focusing on Strategic Networking. ie schmoozing with
a lot of people in high places and developing a powerful network of contacts.

Such a thing is a little more ephemeral than having high popularity on the Internet, but in the end it will be a lot more useful. Such a strategic
network can accomplish a lot that the Internet can't.

We won't see the actual proof of this until he has Bono driving around in a fuelless ZPE-based car, etc etc, but Strategic Networking is still a very
important concept and should not be overlooked.

Remember the Fedex ? Where is it ? He's been publicly embarrased by all other diner guests, he could easily dismiss this with posting this single
Fedex and still....he won't come up with it.

He doesn't read ATS at all, Fry, and doesn't care that guys like you and tezzajw keep demanding to see the Fedex. He's just going to keep doing
what he's doing and ignoring ATS, UNLESS ATS makes an effort to reach out to him

Which we are entirely free to do, BTW. Springer has said that it's okay for ATS members to contact Greer Inc and invite them to participate here,
with ATS Mix etc

Do some research into things like the 1992 Gulf Breeze incident, ITF. There are at least three different references on the web to people being shown a
tape of this incident - where Greer vectors in a Triangle craft in front of many eyewitnesses.

And also - NEVER forget, CSETI has been shown vectoring in a UFO on national TV!

The evidence is actually there, if you bother to look.

CSETI IS legit. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that Greer could have stayed in the game for 17 years and garnered the amount of support
that he has, host major press conferences at the NPC etc, if he were simply some cult leader leading people around to pray and hallucinate UFOs, as
guys like tezzajw would have you believe

Look, there's a simple way to resolve all this. Find out where CSETI keep all their photos and footage and other evidence, and ask if you can send a
rep there to examine it! Problem solved!

Or send a couple guys out to Shasta-fest, or Gilliland's ranch, as I have also suggested.

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