So either, you would have your 4' 7", 98 pound deputy getting her ass stuffed, upside down, into a garbage can by a medium sized dude or a 4' 7" dumpling, who needs an extra 5 minutes to exit the squad car.

I'm all for equal treatment under the law, but there's no way she's out-wrestling belligerent drunks or other hardened criminals unless she's had extensive training in martial arts, and even then she's at an extreme disadvantage if she ends up grappling with people.

Unless she's like 300 lbs of course. Either way, she's what you'd call, unfit for duty. Sure, she can play traffic cop, but when it comes down to it, law enforcement has to be capable of handling all potential situations.

Then again, if the out of shape and otherwise unfit people aren't fired/restricted, there was a special case for her./law enforcement as an ideal died long ago//good for her on gaming the system, at least she's not coasting along while in uniform like so many others that should be fired but are allowed to carry on with being moral or physically inept or even vile.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

But oddly not, in my experience, nearly as much as people who are very close to average. And I suppose in a way that makes sense: if you're very near the mean, an extra inch is going to make a big difference in how many people you are taller or shorter than -- and that in turn is going to reinforce how senitised to it you are.

Conversely, for us shorties there's really not much mileage in it. If I'd been an inch taller in high school I would have overtaken, maybe, one person. So we're short, end of story.

Weird, I just happened to catch an episode of cops the other day. 2 cops got out of the car and for a second I thought they were oompa loompa's. The 2 cops couldn't have been more than 5'5". I can't imagine themgrabbing anyone by the neck. I guess cuffing is eye level. .

weirdneighbour:ArkAngel: Not sure I'd want to hire someone the height of the average 11 year-old boy to work with criminals

So you don't think a bunch of 4' 7" women cops could handle a bar fight?, you 'something something' pig.

/can't remember the proper term

I saw a 4'7" woman bang a guy's face off a bar, kick his legs out from under him, and then pin him to the ground, all in the space of about 2 seconds. The guy was about twice as big as me. Of course, she was 20 year ex-military, and not at all exaggerating that she could kill someone with her bare hands faster than you could blink. So there are a few of them out there that I'd say, "Yup, go right ahead."

I'm guessing the average 4'7" woman would have as much luck with a really large person as I would, though. I'm decently well trained -- especially if they're laced up on PCP or some other nice "I FEEL NO PAIN" drug. My old master's response to my question of, "What should I do if I have to fight someone who is 6'5 and 300 pounds?" was "Run." Because however much one wants to feel a badass, when you're my size, you aren't going to do well against someone who can dwarf-toss you if you aren't completely on your game.

zimbomba63:There was a weight problem, too. I wonder, too little or too much?

So either, you would have your 4' 7", 98 pound deputy getting her ass stuffed, upside down, into a garbage can by a medium sized dude or a 4' 7" dumpling, who needs an extra 5 minutes to exit the squad car.

But oddly not, in my experience, nearly as much as people who are very close to average. And I suppose in a way that makes sense: if you're very near the mean, an extra inch is going to make a big difference in how many people you are taller or shorter than -- and that in turn is going to reinforce how senitised to it you are.

Conversely, for us shorties there's really not much mileage in it. If I'd been an inch taller in high school I would have overtaken, maybe, one person. So we're short, end of story.

/I still lie about it, though.

I don't lie about it, mainly because I'm short enough (for a male) it doesn't matter. On a good day (big shoes!) I'm 5'5. It honestly never bothered me much, though -- once I got out of middle school my height really didn't matter anymore. I've always used my height as a way to make some self-deprecating jokes that balance out my otherwise abrasive personality. :D

I did date a girl two inches shorter than me once who was insistent she was 5'6. That lie always cracked me up -- I'm one of the very few men it definitely would never work on.

Her size wasn't a problem when they hired her part time. So when she couldn't get full time work she sued. The county then paid to make her go away, probably a good resolution for them considering they'd be in court every time something didn't go her way. She sounds like a professional victim.

naris:zimbomba63: There was a weight problem, too. I wonder, too little or too much?

So either, you would have your 4' 7", 98 pound deputy getting her ass stuffed, upside down, into a garbage can by a medium sized dude or a 4' 7" dumpling, who needs an extra 5 minutes to exit the squad car.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

How many other woman squad leaders of her stature like that, or was she the only one? Kicking ass? really? Shooing dope smokers away from alleys? Seriously, I drove cab years back on night shift, saw lots of bar fight and cop interaction, women cops always tossed around, sorry, size(not just gender) counts.

FitzShivering:I'm guessing the average 4'7" woman would have as much luck with a really large person as I would, though. I'm decently well trained -- especially if they're laced up on PCP or some other nice "I FEEL NO PAIN" drug. My old master's response to my question of, "What should I do if I have to fight someone who is 6'5 and 300 pounds?" was "Run." Because however much one wants to feel a badass, when you're my size, you aren't going to do well against someone who can dwarf-toss you if you aren't completely on your game.

Look up Roger Huerta Street Fight.

Huerta, former UFC LW (Fights at 155, walks around ~165) got into a street fight with a 250 lb UT Linebacker, and Huerta beat the living shiat out of him.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

And therein lies the problem.

A lot of these people (female and male in some cases) CANNOT pass the training and do the job...and they're crying "foul" as a result...then suing...then WINNING the lawsuit.

Take the Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) for firefighting. It's a total of EIGHT (8) specific, job-related tasks that you encounter as part of firefighting:

You have 10 minutes, 20 seconds to complete all 8 events. If you're in half-decent shape, you can pretty much WALK through the event and have time to spare.

It USED to be a pass/fail test...however, there has been multiple lawsuits filed by applicants who have been unable to complete the test for one reason or another.

As a result, they've had to change the testing. In some cases, it still is pass/fail test, however, some departments are now offering multiple attempts to complete the test (including practice runs that don't count as attempts)...or they've switched from the CPAT and gone with another test altogether that doesn't necessarily include job-related tasks.

So, now you have people - who CANNOT DO JOB-SPECIFIC TASKS - on the job...And the last time I checked, firefighting is a pretty god damn dangerous job...It's a recipe for a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

At the end of the day, whether you're male or female has no impact on me...All I care about is that the people on the crew are capable of doing the job they were hired for. If a victim needs to be rescued...or god forbid, a fellow firefighter...then you better be damned sure that you are able to haul ass and get them out of there...and if you can't pass a simulated test....then odds are you're not going to be able to do it when the shiat hits the fan in the real world.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

How many other woman squad leaders of her stature like that, or was she the only one? Kicking ass? really? Shooing dope smokers away from alleys? Seriously, I drove cab years back on night shift, saw lots of bar fight and cop interaction, women cops always tossed around, sorry, size(not just gender) counts.

Size absolutely is a significant factor in hands on interactions...along with strength, speed, and agility but if you think size is the only determining factor in winning a fight then you are naive about hands on situations or as it is called in law enforcement..."defensive tactics" which a large part is based off both judo and krav maga. Why? Because they are fighting systems built upon you and your oppenen's size don't matter as you learn to use their size bigger or smaller than you against them.

And really is she kicking ass? Really really? Really. I know which zone in the county she is assigned to on patrol and have even been to some of her scenes. Sooo...if you want to keep basing your understanding of defensive tactics based off watching from the sidelines as a cab driver go ahead. I'll just keep mine based off my real world experience and training.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

And therein lies the problem.

A lot of these people (female and male in some cases) CANNOT pass the training and do the job...and they're crying "foul" as a result...then suing...then WINNING the lawsuit.

Take the Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) for firefighting. It's a total of EIGHT (8) specific, job-related tasks that you encounter as part of firefighting:

You have 10 minutes, 20 seconds to complete all 8 events. If you're in half-decent shape, you can pretty much WALK through the event and have time to spare.

It USED to be a pass/fail test...however, there has been multiple lawsuits filed by applicants who have been unable to complete the test for one reason or another.

As a result, they've had to change the testing. In some cases, it still is pass/fail test, however, some departments are now offering multiple attempts to complete the test (including practice runs that don't count as attempts)...or they've switched from the CPAT and gone with another test altogether that doesn't necessarily include job-related tasks.

So, now you have people - who CANNOT DO JOB-SPECIFIC TASKS - on the job...And the last time I checked, firefighting is a pretty god damn dangerous job...It's a recipe for a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

At the end of the day, whether you're male or female has no impact on me...All I care about is that the people on the crew are capable of doing the job they were hired for. If a victim needs to be rescued...or god forbid, a fellow firefighter...then you better be damned sure that you are able to haul ass and get them out of there...and if you can't pass a simulated test....then odds are you're not going to be able to do it when the shiat hits the fan in the real world.

I can't speak for fire fighting sooo you might be confusing the two when it comes to hiring practices? I've never seen anyone get hired who couldn't pass set standards...and even see some people sue...and lose but I can't speak for all agencies everywhere but haven't heard of any comprimusing on their physical abilities standards...in fact I've only seen some making it tougher than state standards to get hired. But I can't speak for all agencies.

When I went through my police academy my squad leader was a 4'11" female who was already hired on the force. Tough chick and from what I've heard kicking ass on the street at her agency so if you can pass the training and do the job who gives a crap.

And therein lies the problem.

A lot of these people (female and male in some cases) CANNOT pass the training and do the job...and they're crying "foul" as a result...then suing...then WINNING the lawsuit.

Take the Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) for firefighting. It's a total of EIGHT (8) specific, job-related tasks that you encounter as part of firefighting:

You have 10 minutes, 20 seconds to complete all 8 events. If you're in half-decent shape, you can pretty much WALK through the event and have time to spare.

It USED to be a pass/fail test...however, there has been multiple lawsuits filed by applicants who have been unable to complete the test for one reason or another.

As a result, they've had to change the testing. In some cases, it still is pass/fail test, however, some departments are now offering multiple attempts to complete the test (including practice runs that don't count as attempts)...or they've switched from the CPAT and gone with another test altogether that doesn't necessarily include job-related tasks.

So, now you have people - who CANNOT DO JOB-SPECIFIC TASKS - on the job...And the last time I checked, firefighting is a pretty god damn dangerous job...It's a recipe for a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

At the end of the day, whether you're male or female has no impact on me...All I care about is that the people on the crew are capable of doing the job they were hired for. If a victim needs to be rescued...or god forbid, a fellow firefighter...then you better be damned sure that you are able to haul ass and ...

Part of the problem is the amazing lowering of standards to ensure enough women/minorities pass so the exams won't be "discriminatory".

I think the courts have their intelligence bias balanced out with this token of a judge.

The judge didn't do anything. The county settled, to avoid paying more if it lost.She was already working there part-time, and lost out on a full-time position. It doesn't say what her duties were; she may have not even been on the street - she might have been working in the evidence room or as a court bailiff; who knows?

Louisiana_Sitar_Club:I can see how she may not be able to put the appropriate fright into people to control a situation. However, this should be handled on a case by case basis. There are, in fact, scary midgets.

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Haha, yeah. I might be able to kick his ass - but I'd be scared shiatless the whole time.