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Nope, it is for those who have accessed the Grace of God through Faith.

Oops, that's the obedience of faith I keep telling you about.

So when I fail in some regard, I am chastened or allowed to suffer the natural consequences of my actions, and, miracle of miracle, God uses my failures to build patience and endurance in me. That is how we grow and mature in the Lord (experience). We trust HIM, and HIM alone, to do His work in us. We are God's workmanship. A lack of trust leaves us with nothing but SELF-EFFORT.

Romans 5:2-4
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Jesus saves us all on his own and he chooses whom he saves. He saves those who believe and obey.

Even Paul taught to repent.

Go find the scriptures and then stop yourself from trying to nullify them.

There is no scripture that says Jesus chooses whom he will save. The reason for that is because Jesus has ALREADY atoned for the sins of the whole world so that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13

Nope, it is for those who have accessed the Grace of God through Faith.

Oops, that's the obedience of faith I keep telling you about.

The only time faith alone is mentioned is in the KJV and it is to warn us of what kind of faith not to have.

Did the prostitute Rahab just have to believe, or did she have to tell the spies a different direction?

Did Abraham just have to believe or did he have to actually take Isaac with him and put him on the altar?

Originally Posted by glorydaz

So when I fail in some regard, I am chastened or allowed to suffer the natural consequences of my actions, and, miracle of miracle, God uses my failures to build patience and endurance in me. That is how we grow and mature in the Lord (experience). We trust HIM, and HIM alone, to do His work in us. We are God's workmanship. A lack of trust leaves us with nothing but SELF-EFFORT.

What you say there proves you have to obey. Even asking God to forgive you is obeying.
Where do you ever get that I say we don't have to have faith?

There is no scripture that says Jesus chooses whom he will save. The reason for that is because Jesus has ALREADY atoned for the sins of the whole world so that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13

You have been given much and have a brain to obey or disobey. Now answer the questions I ask. Who gave you the special enabling to get up this morning? Who gave you the enabling to come to dinner and eat with your family? Who gave you the enabling to be a school by 8? Who gave you the enabling to do all the things you make up your own mind to do every day?

Who is enabling unbelievers to do those things?

Originally Posted by God's Truth

Jesus' words are Spirit and life.

Originally Posted by God's Truth

I sure was talking about Jesus' words. Go back and look again.

I did go back and look....nothing there about Jesus' words.

I brought up how we all have the ability to do right and wrong, to obey, to obey our own bodies, to obey our parents, our teacher, our boss.

Even unbelievers have the ability to follow their conscience. Those who don't "obey" their bosses will be looking for another job. What does that have to do with anything?

So why can't you obey Jesus?

I did. He told me to believe in Him....that's the obedience of faith I'm always talking about. Scripture tells me eternal life is a Gift. Trying to work for eternal life is a false "gospel". There is no good news in that gospel.

The only time faith alone is mentioned is in the KJV and it is to warn us of what kind of faith not to have.

Did the prostitute Rahab just have to believe, or did she have to tell the spies a different direction?

Did Abraham just have to believe or did he have to actually take Isaac with him and put him on the altar?

What you say there proves you have to obey. Even asking God to forgive you is obeying.
Where do you ever get that I say we don't have to have faith?

I didn't say you said "we don't have to have faith". You know I didn't say that. I didn't say we have to ask God to forgive us. We don't. We trust and believe he died for our sins....case closed. He did it and we believe it.

Abraham was saved BEFORE he ever had a son. He was saved when he believed God.

Romans 4:21-22 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

That Rahab and Abraham both demonstrated their faith by what they did, does NOT mean those actions saved them or kept them saved. If I believe it's raining outside, I will grab my umbrella. I could just as easily go out without my umbrella and end up getting wet. You can't confuse what God has ordained and what He performs in us with something as significant as God's GIFT of LIFE. We get life when we believe...what comes after has nothing to do with our being ALIVE in Christ Jesus.