I've been following the concentration/detainment camp scenario for a while. The U.S. government has openly admitted to banking and creating these
facilities, and they have given several reasons for their creation.

Prime among these reasons are to handle a "great influx of immigrants" (does that scare you, Mexico? It's kind of our government's way of saying
F' you!), or to house those the government deems "enemy combatants". But really, any euphemism for "undesirable" can be put in quotes; the terms
are all equally broad, but it doesn't matter - "enemy combatant", "enemy propogandist", "illegal immigrant", "really bad guys" - you really
shouldn't be distracted by the semantics as much as you should be by the fact that OUR GOVERNMENT IS BUILDING PRISON CAMPS FOR U.S. CITIZENS.

People can be so dense. Our government has admitted this and people shrug and go about their business. Is this administration a complete reincarnation
of Hitler's cabinet? Since when did the Democracy - the Republic, the good ol' U.S. of A. - ever deem it prudent or anything less than fascist to
build prison camps for its own citizens?! For citizens that it deems "enemy combatants"?! You know, if you threaten to put American citizens in
prison camps you're bound to have some enemy combatants - like every one of the 300,000,000 citizens you're supposed to be serving. We no likey.

Ok, here are some facts:
1) These camps exist
2) Our government openly admits to building and banking them and offers several reasons why they are necessary
3) These camps are manned with guards and ready for guests (i.e., they're operational)
4) Construction/renovation on these plants has skyrocketed since Bush has been in office
5) These camps are for U.S. citizens, i.e., they're not in Brazil, they're in California, Oklahoma, Indiana - just about every state, and there just
happens to be a preponderance of U.S. citizens in...you know...those areas

The fact that these camps exist at all is absurd, and is very, very disturbing. What do Bush and Ashcroft hope to gain by building fenced in
detainment camps? Are they using it as a scare tactic (this is possible, as this administration always finds some sinister, f**ked up way of
circumventing laws, or citizens' rights when they are confronted by these "obstacles" - see
"Free Speech Zones" and "Jose
Padilla") What information do they have that our media and the public at large are not aware of? It must be dire information, because they're
BUILDING DETAINMENT CAMPS - not only that, they're openly admitting it.

What in Mexico would prompt a "great influx of immigrants"? I don't know...

Our rights can be suspended during a time of war - of course if the government wants to suspend your rights it could just engage in war and say,
"Look, we're at war. These people's rights are suspended."

Nevermind that there was no formal declaration of war approved by the U.S. congress. It would really benefit our government if they could sustain the
war as long as possible - even indefinitely - JUST TO ENJOY THIS POWER OVER THEIR CITIZENS. Ooh, a war on "terror". How do you tell when a war on
terror is won? It's the eternal war. When the Earth reaches a state of total love and peace, then the war will be over. When every terrorist cell is
destroyed for ever, across the planet? Who determines this? The president!

Of course if there is great opposition to the war, they'd have to think of a backup plan whereby the citizens' rights can still be suspended...but
what do to...? WHAT to do...?! It's a good question - wait, national emergency. Then we could round up everyone who disagrees with us - I MEAN
"enemy combatants"; sorry, slip of the tongue - and jail or execute them without so much as a peep from any courts.

We the citizens will determine if these prison camps are American - and we decide they are not. There is not one citizen that will stand for this sort
of treatment by our government or military. Hey, Ashcrap, stick this in your sedition-hating pipe and smoke it:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to
alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them
shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

If a soldier, official, anyone in uniform, or a member of the government appears on my doorstep and tells me I'm guilty of sedition, "materially
aiding the enemy", or "engaging in enemy propoganda", I will remind him of the rights granted to me by the Constitution, including my Freedom of
Speech and Freedom of Expression, and will forthwith slam the door upon his stupid face.

And, further, if any man, as a uniformed agent of our military, government, or police, appears at my door to take me to a prison camp, I will tell him
that the guy he's looking for is next door, and then run like hell.

Actually, the prison camp thing is huge news on the alternative circuit, and I suspect/hope it will grow. Especially when reports of the first
"guests" are held - then our government can expect the revolution they were hoping to stem.

I just returned from Camp Grayling MI and I can set your minds at ease. It is a mock up detention center that we used for training. The facility is
used for the training of guards for EPW's or detainee's for over in Iraq and other hot spots. It is not, I repeat not capable of actually holding
anyone. It was mostly plywood and 2x4 construction. There is some concertina wire, but only single strands run from tower to tower. In fact at this
time they are in the process of building a mock up of the cells that are currently being used for detainee's right in the middle of an otherwise
deserted EPW camp scenario. The whole camp is used for training purposes only.

And, further, if any man, as a uniformed agent of our military, government, or police, appears at my door to take me to a prison camp, I will tell him
that the guy he's looking for is next door, and then run like hell.

Nice post. So you'd "run like hell" eh? If any of your opinions are true you won't be making it far. Why not buy a gun and stand up for what
you believe in. They're planning to take you away to a camp where you and your family will be gassed. Why not take 5 or 10 of them out with you?

I've read a lot (pro and con) on the subject of detention camps in the U.S. and, after all my study, I still don't know what to believe.

I believe it's possible but it seems like an easy thing to show if there is a "camp" or "prison" of some sort capable of holding the amount of
people that these places are claimed to hold. I work at an actual prison that houses 1500 inmates and it only takes 16 guards to watch them all.
Nowhere near the "hundreds of thousands" another poster suggested was necessary to guard 20,000. Plus, if the intention is to gas/kill the inmates
considerably fewer would be required. Still, it's a large area. Take away all the middle management types and amenities (canteen, laundry, chapel,
gym, etc.) and you could put twice the amount of inmates in the same amount of land space.

The point I guess I'm trying to make is that these places shouldn't be hidden. They should be quite obvious and yet, to my knowledge, no one has
undeniably proven the existence of any of them. If even partly true, it's alarming news and cause for immediate action but I just don't see it.
How about our OP author. Any further info? Validation? Planned field trips?

MOST OF THESE CONCENTRATION CAMPS WERE BUILT DURING THE COLD WAR IN THE EVENT OF A NUCLEAR ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES,ALL OF THE ABOVE SAID CAMPS ARE
IN SUCH A STATE OF DISREPAIR IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO GET THEM INTO RUNNING ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES THERE ARE ARMED GUARDS THAT PATROL THESE FACILITIES AND WITH GOOD REASON THEY DONT WANT CIVILIANS EXPLORING AND GETTING HURT AND THEN TRYING TO
SUE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU WANT A GOOD LOOK AT ONE OF THESE FACILITIES JUST TAKE A QUICK RIDE OUT TO THE HILLS SURROUNDING KIRTLAND AIRFORCE BASE IN ALBUQUERQUE NEW
MEXICO WITH A GOOD PAIR OF BINOCULARS YOU CAN SEE A VERY LARGE PRISON FACILITY WITHIN THE AIRFORCE BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a gambling man my best bet would say any of these remote U.S. Southwestern Desert Bases have Prison Facilities on them that are ready to recieve
prisoners today, but dont even think we'd be placed in a Old Cold War Era Facility.....

Maybe those are your New Area 51's totally would make sense stripout the old F.E.M.A. place and turn it into a Reverse Engineering site while we all
look to Nevada,California and Utah

BINGO finally someone with the Grapefruits to explore these claims as myself, You my friend are right all these old Camps are in such a state of
disrepair that it would take years and millions to get them going again...

My money says any so Prisons are directly on Military installations such as the one at Kirtland Airforce Base In New Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!

For all we know the government could assume there will be riots/revolution or crap like that because of how the economy is right now and how unstable
it is. when it collapses people are gonna panic, corporations will go bankrupt, companies close. So they could be preparing for that. Or because
tensions between china and North Korea are becoming less stable maybe they're making the camps for American-Orientals. Just saying what im thinking.
Dont criticize please.

First off I am a veteran of the U.S. Navy and the Army National Guard. I am also a husband and concerned citizen. I have known of some alarming
developments in the training of the guard and some components of the special forces in regard to "homeland security".

In regard to concentration camps in the U.S. I do not doubt their existence. I have seen the pictures and video evidence and I cannot deny their
existence. The only thing I can say on the subject is that 90% of the Army National Guard would not in a million years accept any kind of orders
towards the imprisonment of their brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, ect. I can also guarantee that the U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Army
have far too many men loyal to democracy and the people of this country to ever support that kind of insanity. Without the average american soldier
behind this NWO (which I do not deny the existence of) their coup would never succeed and the carrying out of this plan would never be successful.
Men in Black and all, it will not be successful.

Please give me all your comments and contradictions. I want to know every way possible to protect all the ones I care about and love. Because it
would take some time for the loyal military to form up and resist and I want to be ready to protect my family.

maybe they're preparing a bio-chemical weapon, and incase it spreads then they move people from major cities like LA. San Francisco, Nyc, Chicago,
and other major cities as well as close together smaller cities

There was a recent thread about the military accepting felons and other convictions, a major reduction of standards!

Think about how many of our young men (older, too) are in jail as a result of the *cough* war on drugs.

If they were to loosen restrictions it may also be carried into the DOC regulations to let many offenders out if they sign up.

Isn't this basically what they did in the last war? Young guys who were in trouble with the law, dropped out of school, got a girl pregnant, etc.
were prime material for an escape.

Point is that there was a dramatic increase in prisons being built in the last ten years so if they let all these "minor offenders" or child support
cases out it would open up some major room, that coupled with the empty bases.

One of the camps which is being built at an old bombing range near Sebring Florida. I found something very interesting there when I was looking at it
on google maps. I believe it will tell you who is behind all of this.

It is obvious who controls the government, media, banks and the concentration/extermination camps. Their sign is right here in this camp for all to
see!

Enter this location on maps.google.com

+27° 43' 20.50", -81° 17' 55.94" (27.722360, -81.298871)

Zoom out and there are many signs very similar to the crop circles we all have seen. Something strange happening here....

The star is a simulated SA-2 missile emplacement used as a target on the Avon Park
Bombing and Gunnery Range, which isn't old. The Navy is currently flying sorties over it in preparation for live bombing scheduled to start in
2009.

The supposed "concentration camp" is also a currently operating facility. The Avon Park
Correctional Institution has been occupied by Florida felons since 1957. Come down sometime and I'll give you a guided tour

Rex84 is a danger to the American people and many do not know about this. It is frightening when you think about it. Bush wants to be a dictator if he
could get away with it. Our personal liberties are at stake, and the American people as a whole have given up some of those liberties, with out
realizing it. Voting is a very important impliment to your freedom. Do not let it go. It is a right given to you by the ones who have died to keep you
free. No one can keep you safe but yourself, the Government can only do so much. Thomas Jefferson and others would be appauled if we gave up our
freedoms just so a government could keep us safe. You are responcible for those in WashingtonDC, who are your representatives. They are there for you
not for themselves. We need to change the electorial college. Do away with it. It should be the popular vote, that sets who will be president, not
just a few. I do not think our founding fathers appreciate men who steal votes from the the American people. We have to stand up and be Americans,
proud Americans, we have come along way and we have along way to go. We are a Christian country who has lost her way,e on the slipperyslop and falling
fast. Unless we remember where we came from as a nation. We have people today who want to get rid of traditions we have had for years and what for
their own godless agenda. Only the American people can change things, do not set on your hands and let the few push their agenda on you. There is no
such thing as seperation of church and state in this country. We are not to have a government ran church according to the Constitution. But there are
others who push no God in Government, when our Constitution was based on the God given human rights and liberties we all share in this country. God
bless the American People and the USA.

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