Okay i am going to build and SPR clone. I have two questions. First i will probably build it in 5.56 due to ammo availability and price (im in college). that wasn't really i question but i guess im trying to see if someone can sell me on 6.8 SPC. The real questions is, I saw somewhere on the web a company offering a 18" SPR barrel, mid gas, 1/7 twist, stainless steel, beeed balsted dull finish with a matched bolt, anyone know who has/had this. If anyone knows that would be awsome.Thanks in advance,JJ Servis

WhiteOak is the company that makes them. Several dealers on this board carry them. A relatively unknown dealer on the board (John with PDC) specializes in the SPR rifle. After talking with him I decided to let him build my upper instead of doing it myself. Jason with JTac and Steve with ADCO also carry teh barrels and SPR parts.

If you are looking for teh barrel with teh fitted bolt I think it is Compass Lake and I think the same dealers sell them also.

People these days tend to mean different things with the word "clone". Some torque on a stainless steel DCM barrel with any old free-float handguard and call it "SPR." Others are more exacting. Strictly speaking, the real SPR has very specific name brands and brand names attached to it. 90% of the deployed SPR rifles use Douglas barrels and 100% of these barrels are contoured to accept the OPS Inc barrel collar and muzzled with the OPS Inc. 12th Model brake. I say 90% because the R&D rifles used Douglas, Krieger, and Rock Creek barrels and these may be deployed right now, i just don't know. White Oak makes a nice barrel, but it is not to be used in a true "clone" build. They also all use the KAC 2-stage trigger, not an RRA or LMT 2-stager, not a McCormick drop-in unit, though these are fine units too. Gas system is standard, there are no mid-lengths in the field. Free-float handguards are either PRI carbon fiber for the Mod 0 or KAC Match or Sniper (same thing) for the Mod 1. No Daniel Defence, no Yankee Hill, no Troy or Samson.

Could you make a better SPR-type rifle by going outside spec? Absolutely, but it won't be a fair representation of what our guys are carrying and it won't have the resale value of a true clone, even if it performs better.

All the parts used in both the Mk12 Mod 0 and Mod 1 are available to civvies, but some take more hunting than others.

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:People these days tend to mean different things with the word "clone". Some torque on a stainless steel DCM barrel with any old free-float handguard and call it "SPR." Others are more exacting. Strictly speaking, the real SPR has very specific name brands and brand names attached to it. 90% of the deployed SPR rifles use Douglas barrels and 100% of these barrels are contoured to accept the OPS Inc barrel collar and muzzled with the OPS Inc. 12th Model brake. I say 90% because the R&D rifles used Douglas, Krieger, and Rock Creek barrels and these may be deployed right now, i just don't know. White Oak makes a nice barrel, but it is not to be used in a true "clone" build. They also all use the KAC 2-stage trigger, not an RRA or LMT 2-stager, not a McCormick drop-in unit, though these are fine units too. Gas system is standard, there are no mid-lengths in the field. Free-float handguards are either PRI carbon fiber for the Mod 0 or KAC Match or Sniper (same thing) for the Mod 1. No Daniel Defence, no Yankee Hill, no Troy or Samson.

Could you make a better SPR-type rifle by going outside spec? Absolutely, but it won't be a fair representation of what our guys are carrying and it won't have the resale value of a true clone, even if it performs better.

All the parts used in both the Mk12 Mod 0 and Mod 1 are available to civvies, but some take more hunting than others.

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:People these days tend to mean different things with the word "clone". Some torque on a stainless steel DCM barrel with any old free-float handguard and call it "SPR." Others are more exacting. Strictly speaking, the real SPR has very specific name brands and brand names attached to it. 90% of the deployed SPR rifles use Douglas barrels and 100% of these barrels are contoured to accept the OPS Inc barrel collar and muzzled with the OPS Inc. 12th Model brake. I say 90% because the R&D rifles used Douglas, Krieger, and Rock Creek barrels and these may be deployed right now, i just don't know. White Oak makes a nice barrel, but it is not to be used in a true "clone" build. They also all use the KAC 2-stage trigger, not an RRA or LMT 2-stager, not a McCormick drop-in unit, though these are fine units too. Gas system is standard, there are no mid-lengths in the field. Free-float handguards are either PRI carbon fiber for the Mod 0 or KAC Match or Sniper (same thing) for the Mod 1. No Daniel Defence, no Yankee Hill, no Troy or Samson.

Could you make a better SPR-type rifle by going outside spec? Absolutely, but it won't be a fair representation of what our guys are carrying and it won't have the resale value of a true clone, even if it performs better.

All the parts used in both the Mk12 Mod 0 and Mod 1 are available to civvies, but some take more hunting than others.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an upper with many of the characteristcs of an SPR, even if it is not a perfect clone.For example, you might want something a little shorter, so you would go with a 16" mid length gas system, a rifle handguard and a flip-up front sight out in front.The muzzle is certainly not going to be properly setup for that OPS can you can't buy, but so what?I don't think that resale value plays in to most guys decisions when they are spending the big bucks to build an upper with all the top quality parts.Say you like the LaRue better than the PRI, so build with the LaRue.Only seriuos mall ninjas and airsoft shooters would argue about authenticity issues such as the barrel being a Rock or a Shilen instead of a Douglas.If you want a perfect clone, I can build with a Douglas blank as well.It's all good stuff in these uppers and that's what really matters, not the brand name or moniker hung on it...

WE HAVE DOUGLAS STAINLESS 1X7" BARRELS PROPERLY CONTOURED BY COMPASS LAKE, WITH FITTED BOLTS. OURS WILL OUTSHOOT CRANE'S, BECAUSE WE HAVE OURS DONE WITH COMPASS LAKE'S MATCH CHAMBER, NOT THE A.M.U. CHAMBER USED ON THE GOV'T GUNS. COMPASS LAKE PUTS A MUCH NICER CROWN ON THEM, TOO, IMO.

Not a rant at all. Build your rifle however you want, call it what you want and best of luck to you. But the phrase "SPR clone" has some built-in expectations and come time to ask a question about it on this forum or worse yet to sell it using that phrase, you are going to be less than clear when someone looking for an "SPR clone" instead of an "SPRish" or "SPR-type" rifle comes a calling. It's gotten to be bad enough that poor Wes at MSTN has to use "Perfect Clone SPR" to cut through this.

Not a rant at all. Build your rifle however you want, call it what you want and best of luck to you. But the phrase "SPR clone" has some built-in expectations and come time to ask a question about it on this forum or worse yet to sell it using that phrase, you are going to be less than clear when someone looking for an "SPR clone" instead of an "SPRish" or "SPR-type" rifle comes a calling. It's gotten to be bad enough that poor Wes at MSTN has to use "Perfect Clone SPR" to cut through this.

I still don't fully understand what you are getting at. I think most people here will agree that if someone says "I am building an SPR clone" that it will most likely have some parts that were actually used but it is also more than likely going to be using parts that weren't actually used in the "real" SPR rifles delivered to the military. Most people aren't going to spend the high dollar required to get a Douglas barrel when they can get a WOA SPR contoured barrel that is made from Douglas steel (from what I am told) that will get a person similar results in accuracy. Again, most people know what is meant by "CLONE SPR" and if they are selling one, they are sure to list the actual parts used.

This is my new SPR CLONE. The upper is mine but the lower belongs to John with Pennsylvania Consultants ( he specializes in SPR's and has been to the "ranch" where the real deal SPR's were made). John built this upper and it ships to me tomorrow. I was going to build it myself but after discussing the project with him and hearing of his experience with the REAL SPR's and builder I decided to let him do it. My lower looks the same and I already have a Leupold LR/T M3 scope with ARMS rings waiting for my baby.

Not a rant at all. Build your rifle however you want, call it what you want and best of luck to you. But the phrase "SPR clone" has some built-in expectations and come time to ask a question about it on this forum or worse yet to sell it using that phrase, you are going to be less than clear when someone looking for an "SPR clone" instead of an "SPRish" or "SPR-type" rifle comes a calling. It's gotten to be bad enough that poor Wes at MSTN has to use "Perfect Clone SPR" to cut through this.

In true ARFcom speak it would be known as a "frankenSPR".

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Really interested in an SPR build for some time now but this is really one of the only posts that I have seen concerning the SPR. Any one got any links to resources on an SPR build besides this one, such as a "lets your SPR photos" or a success/failure page in spr building?

Originally Posted By Isomerase:Really interested in an SPR build for some time now but this is really one of the only posts that I have seen concerning the SPR. Any one got any links to resources on an SPR build besides this one, such as a "lets your SPR photos" or a success/failure page in spr building?