whidbey:Vectron: whidbey: Vectron: The truth is, almost every day there are stories of black males attacking white people in the most unspeakable, animalistic ways that are censored from the national dialogue.

liar

October 24

Oh and here is a terrible racist attack by the KKK

If I can read the story, it isn't "censored."

Liar.

I said censored by the national media.But you've done it. You've called me a bad name and hurt my feelings. I hope you're happy. I'm going to watch the World Series. I may not be back.

FirstNationalBastard:If you're black, gay, a woman, or make less than a few million dollars per year, the Republicans hate you, and wouldn't mind it if you had as many rights as the average slave off the boat in the 1800s.

Vectron:whidbey: Vectron: The truth is, almost every day there are stories of black males attacking white people in the most unspeakable, animalistic ways that are censored from the national dialogue.

liar

October 24

Oh and here is a terrible racist attack by the KKK

So you post an article about a white person being attacked by a black person that was carried by a mainstream, widely circulated national newspaper and then an article about a black person being attacked by a white person that is only being being reported by DailyKos and ignored by the media.

If I may, I'd like to speak for myself, rather than have someone else speak for me, so here goes:

The vast majority of times, when I see someone say things like "Messicans" or "Wetbacks" or make insinuations that I wouldn't ever in a million years assimilate or speak proper English, it's not someone who votes Democratic saying it.

Cubicle Jockey:And it's almost entirely a Southern problem. Obama is actually leading among whites in the Midwest, and is only a couple of points behind Romney among whites in the West and Northeast. It's in the eternally ignorant and backwards South that he has a huge deficit.

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Obama had the same problem with white Democrats in the South. Hillary Clinton beat Obama by 41% in the West Virginia Democratic primary.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans have embraced their racists, Democrats have (at least) tried to marginalize them.

Obviously, there are lots of people in both parties that are not racists. W, to his credit, seemed genuinely colorblind when it came to appointments in his administration.

It would have been Cain against Obama...of course they aren't going to vote Cain.

Do you think that there weren't people who only voted because they had the opportunity to vote for a black man? Just as I'm sure there were whites who only voted because they didn't want a black man in office.

I accept your suggestion that some people were more motivated to vote in 2008 because that it represented a new achievement in racial equality. I reject your contention that minorities wanting to promote equality between races and other people wanting to preserve or reestablish white privilege are both forms of Racism.

Is "I voted for X because his skin is X" not be a racist statement to you?

There are quite a few rappers who don't strike me as lifelong voters who started campaigns to bring out the vote for Obama etc. .

Like who? And please be specific on how you feel qualified to judge their political motivations.

Here Jay-Z all but comes out and says it and then goes on to say that he otherwise hates politics and then talks about his political leanings which would actually seem to be Republican.

randomjsa:If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal. Not only will they gladly use racial epithets they might even go so far as to start hitting you (SEIU members beating a black man). The racist vitriol that got spewed at that Af. American actress. How the left reacted when Rice became Sec of State. So on and so forth.

As with all things, the left only ever has a problem with offensive ideas and or behaviors when it's a non-liberal doing them.

How did the Left react when Rice became Secretary of State? What's the so on and so forth exactly?

whidbey:Vectron: I hit the smart buttton for that.This "racist" thing is just a club to hit Republicans with. Its a guilt trip.

Not sure if stupid, ignorant, or just racist yourself.

Both.

But it's a closeted, self-hating kind of racism. Racism's gotten all kinds of weird in America. Even the white supremacists have been rebranding themselves as "White Separatists" instead of "supremacists." Nobody will say, "them Porch Monkeys is an inferior subspecies," but they'll constantly talk about certain ethnic groups on welfare and their "(negative term) culture" and usually make lots of references to welfare and handouts regardless of their actual socioeconomic status. They won't use the word "inferior" but they'll use all kinds of synonyms and they won't talk about race but they will talk about "culture" and they won't say that black people are the root of all evil but they will wax eloquent about how unfairly treated and abused white people are.

And the thing is these aren't just code words, these people HONESTLY BELIEVE they aren't being racist. They take their racism and shove it so far down into their subconscious that they can't even recognize it, and then just like the homophobe who watches epic amounts of homoerotic wrestling and "brotherly love*" (Nudge nudge wink wink) movies they go on about their racist lives.

*I can't remember the examples that used to get play, but essentially any movie with a "bromance" as bad (awesome?) as Frodo and Sam's.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Vectron: whidbey: Vectron: The truth is, almost every day there are stories of black males attacking white people in the most unspeakable, animalistic ways that are censored from the national dialogue.

liar

October 24

Oh and here is a terrible racist attack by the KKK

So you post an article about a white person being attacked by a black person that was carried by a mainstream, widely circulated national newspaper and then an article about a black person being attacked by a white person that is only being being reported by DailyKos and ignored by the media.

Did you just disprove your own point?

Yes. That's why he ran. His fool's "fight or flight" response kicked in, as it always does when you confront a fool with clear evidence of his foolishness, and so he ran. Seems straightforward.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Vectron: whidbey: Vectron: The truth is, almost every day there are stories of black males attacking white people in the most unspeakable, animalistic ways that are censored from the national dialogue.

liar

October 24

Oh and here is a terrible racist attack by the KKK

So you post an article about a white person being attacked by a black person that was carried by a mainstream, widely circulated national newspaper and then an article about a black person being attacked by a white person that is only being being reported by DailyKos and ignored by the media.

One steadfastly believes that the only reason Liberals voted for Obama is white guilt.

The other steadfastly believes that Obama is pushing the Cloward-Piven strategy because keeping black people poor and dependent on government guarantees support for the Democratic party. He says "when your party depends on the votes of poor people, what is your incentive to make them not poor?"

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Vectron: whidbey: Vectron: The truth is, almost every day there are stories of black males attacking white people in the most unspeakable, animalistic ways that are censored from the national dialogue.

liar

October 24

Oh and here is a terrible racist attack by the KKK

So you post an article about a white person being attacked by a black person that was carried by a mainstream, widely circulated national newspaper and then an article about a black person being attacked by a white person that is only being being reported by DailyKos and ignored by the media.

Silly Jesus:I'll just say this. None of the AfAm owned businesses that is patronize had pictures of any other Democratic president all over their walls. And I've never seen AfAm folks wearing t-shirts and jeans with Clinton on them or Jimmy Carter's face shaved into their hair.

WTF? Clinton is, and was, a frickin' demi-god to many Black Americans. Do a lot have Obama shirts now? Yes.

Didn't a lot of Caucasians have shirts with Larry Bird even if they weren't fans of the Celtics?

Not mad at you dude, you are allowed to have an opinion but you are way wrong on the Clinton front. As far as Carter, I don't think anyone outside his family would have a picture of dude during his Presidency

tical:Drew, whatever you are paying this troll, you should get your money back. It isn't even entertaining.

It's Saturday night, the A-list trolls are probably out getting blitzed. These B and C-list trolls they bring in to fill the gap really lack the chops for good trolling.

I mean this Vectron guy, he posts offensive stuff, and he's got this racist schtick to him, but he's not really making peoples blood boil and get angry, just feel sorry for him. He seems more pathetic really, either he's just saying it to get a rise, and can't come up with anything better, or he really believes this crap, which is sad. No nuances, no subtlety.

In any case, nice try there, go back to the minor leagues. I'm sure that whatever local small-town paper comment system you came from will take you back. Maybe in another season or two when you get your numbers up.

I don't think this is necessarily true. If it were true, Blacks would be more split in other Presidential races. The truth is African-Americans tend to vote Democratic instead of along racial lines. Otherwise Herman Cain would have had a lot more support from Black folk.

I'll just say this. None of the AfAm owned businesses that is patronize had pictures of any other Democratic president all over their walls. And I've never seen AfAm folks wearing t-shirts and jeans with Clinton on them or Jimmy Carter's face shaved into their hair.

I'll just say this. None of the AfAm owned businesses that is patronize had pictures of any other Democratic president all over their walls. And I've never seen AfAm folks wearing t-shirts and jeans with Clinton on them or Jimmy Carter's face shaved into their hair.

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You were saying?

I think he meant in reality. That's an advertisement with a model being paid to wear that shirt. Nice try though.

Silverstaff:tical: Drew, whatever you are paying this troll, you should get your money back. It isn't even entertaining.

It's Saturday night, the A-list trolls are probably out getting blitzed. These B and C-list trolls they bring in to fill the gap really lack the chops for good trolling.

I mean this Vectron guy, he posts offensive stuff, and he's got this racist schtick to him, but he's not really making peoples blood boil and get angry, just feel sorry for him. He seems more pathetic really, either he's just saying it to get a rise, and can't come up with anything better, or he really believes this crap, which is sad. No nuances, no subtlety.

In any case, nice try there, go back to the minor leagues. I'm sure that whatever local small-town paper comment system you came from will take you back. Maybe in another season or two when you get your numbers up.

That was a lot of work for you. It certainly saves you from thinking independantly or arguing congently.You may return now to your

It would have been Cain against Obama...of course they aren't going to vote Cain.

You must have misunderstood my question. If there was an election between Cain and a white Democrat, do you think black voters would have supported Cain to the same degree they did Obama?

I accept your suggestion that some people were more motivated to vote in 2008 because that it represented a new achievement in racial equality. I reject your contention that minorities wanting to promote equality between races and other people wanting to preserve or reestablish white privilege are both forms of Racism.

Is "I voted for X because his skin is X" not be a racist statement to you?

I think we've established in the previous question that nobody has made that statement.

There are quite a few rappers who don't strike me as lifelong voters who started campaigns to bring out the vote for Obama etc. .

Like who? And please be specific on how you feel qualified to judge their political motivations.

Here Jay-Z all but comes out and says it and then goes on to say that he otherwise hates politics and then talks about his political leanings which would actually seem to be Republican.

Oh, Jesus, "IJReview." I'm sure they didn't spin anything.

(NOTE: the previous sentence was sarcasm.)

"I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever," he said. "To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that."

Vectron:Silverstaff: tical: Drew, whatever you are paying this troll, you should get your money back. It isn't even entertaining.

It's Saturday night, the A-list trolls are probably out getting blitzed. These B and C-list trolls they bring in to fill the gap really lack the chops for good trolling.

I mean this Vectron guy, he posts offensive stuff, and he's got this racist schtick to him, but he's not really making peoples blood boil and get angry, just feel sorry for him. He seems more pathetic really, either he's just saying it to get a rise, and can't come up with anything better, or he really believes this crap, which is sad. No nuances, no subtlety.

In any case, nice try there, go back to the minor leagues. I'm sure that whatever local small-town paper comment system you came from will take you back. Maybe in another season or two when you get your numbers up.

That was a lot of work for you. It certainly saves you from thinking independantly or arguing congently.You may return now to your

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echo chamber

Give it up already.

As someone else pointed out earlier on, you started off in this thread by making mundane, non-troll posts. Then you realized that no one was paying attention to you so you upped the ante and started with the race-baiting. When you make a blatantly obvious face-heel-turn like that in the same thread, it's kind of easy for people to tell that you're just a troll.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Vectron: Silverstaff: tical: Drew, whatever you are paying this troll, you should get your money back. It isn't even entertaining.

It's Saturday night, the A-list trolls are probably out getting blitzed. These B and C-list trolls they bring in to fill the gap really lack the chops for good trolling.

I mean this Vectron guy, he posts offensive stuff, and he's got this racist schtick to him, but he's not really making peoples blood boil and get angry, just feel sorry for him. He seems more pathetic really, either he's just saying it to get a rise, and can't come up with anything better, or he really believes this crap, which is sad. No nuances, no subtlety.

In any case, nice try there, go back to the minor leagues. I'm sure that whatever local small-town paper comment system you came from will take you back. Maybe in another season or two when you get your numbers up.

That was a lot of work for you. It certainly saves you from thinking independantly or arguing congently.You may return now to your

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echo chamber

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Give it up already.

As someone else pointed out earlier on, you started off in this thread by making mundane, non-troll posts. Then you realized that no one was paying attention to you so you upped the ante and started with the race-baiting. When you make a blatantly obvious face-heel-turn like that in the same thread, it's kind of easy for people to tell that you're just a troll.

Not only will they gladly use racial epithets they might even go so far as to start hitting you (SEIU members beating a black man). The racist vitriol that got spewed at that Af. American actress. How the left reacted when Rice became Sec of State. So on and so forth.

As with all things, the left only ever has a problem with offensive ideas and or behaviors when it's a non-liberal doing them.

Smelly McUgly:coco ebert: Smelly McUgly: coco ebert: a_bilge_monkey: coco ebert: If there's a dog whistle, I'm not sure to whom because it certainly wasn't intentional. Are you referring to the fact that I assumed the picture referenced African-Americans instead of any voter who votes for Obama? On that you got me I guess.

"Black folk" . If I walked in to a bar, restaurant, grocery store, what have you, and asked "Hey, who are you black folk voting for?", I would be roundly and deservedly chastised for it.

Oh, ha! I didn't even think of that because it's just a colloquialism my friends and I use when chatting. As a white person I should be careful of my phrasing, though.

Man, you can say "black folks." I say "white folks." I can't speak for EVERY black person, of course, but I doubt anyone would care.

Come to think of it, I use the term"white folk", but I'm not sure why. One of those strange colloquialisms I guess.

Yeah, I think it's more of a southern thing than anything. I picked it up when I lived in Texas for awhile.

I certainly thought you sounded more like you were from the South than anything. I don't know anyone who would be offended by that term.

I'll just say this. None of the AfAm owned businesses that is patronize had pictures of any other Democratic president all over their walls. And I've never seen AfAm folks wearing t-shirts and jeans with Clinton on them or Jimmy Carter's face shaved into their hair.

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You were saying?

One picture of one person wearing a retro shirt that was obviously not taken at the time of his presidency. You have disproved my point. I am ashamed. May I ever win your forgiveness?

Like I keep saying: People of color only vote based on skin tone. White people vote based on a careful consideration of the candidate's position on the issues. Thus, when black people vote for a black candidate: Racism. White people vote for a white candidate: Careful, rational thought. AND NOTHING ELSE.

(Oh, and if black people vote for a white candidate? Careful, rational thought. White people vote for a black candidate? They don't want to look like racists. Got that?)

In other Des Moines area news, an Urbandale Man Cited For Hunting Squirrels. The man, clad in camouflage, was reportedly hunting squirrels in his backyard Friday morning, Urbandale police said.

"The 23-year-old man did not say why he was shooting them, said Officer Randy Peterson, police spokesman. Erickson did tell police, however, that he had to shoot the critters in the head to kill them, Peterson said. When police arrived, two squirrels were dead on the deck."

I am relieved to know Iowa is safer with this patriot around from the scourge of jihadist rodents.

It would have been Cain against Obama...of course they aren't going to vote Cain.

You must have misunderstood my question. If there was an election between Cain and a white Democrat, do you think black voters would have supported Cain to the same degree they did Obama?

I accept your suggestion that some people were more motivated to vote in 2008 because that it represented a new achievement in racial equality. I reject your contention that minorities wanting to promote equality between races and other people wanting to preserve or reestablish white privilege are both forms of Racism.

Is "I voted for X because his skin is X" not be a racist statement to you?

I think we've established in the previous question that nobody has made that statement.

There are quite a few rappers who don't strike me as lifelong voters who started campaigns to bring out the vote for Obama etc. .

Like who? And please be specific on how you feel qualified to judge their political motivations.

Here Jay-Z all but comes out and says it and then goes on to say that he otherwise hates politics and then talks about his political leanings which would actually seem to be Republican.

Oh, Jesus, "IJReview." I'm sure they didn't spin anything.

(NOTE: the previous sentence was sarcasm.)

"I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever," he said. "To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that."

homelessdude:In other Des Moines area news, an Urbandale Man Cited For Hunting Squirrels. The man, clad in camouflage, was reportedly hunting squirrels in his backyard Friday morning, Urbandale police said.

"The 23-year-old man did not say why he was shooting them, said Officer Randy Peterson, police spokesman. Erickson did tell police, however, that he had to shoot the critters in the head to kill them, Peterson said. When police arrived, two squirrels were dead on the deck."

I am relieved to know Iowa is safer with this patriot around from the scourge of jihadist rodents.

If you can come up with a better way to get a Jakobs Varmint-bane skin I'd like to hear it.

Like I keep saying: People of color only vote based on skin tone. White people vote based on a careful consideration of the candidate's position on the issues. Thus, when black people vote for a black candidate: Racism. White people vote for a white candidate: Careful, rational thought. AND NOTHING ELSE.

(Oh, and if black people vote for a white candidate? Careful, rational thought. White people vote for a black candidate? They don't want to look like racists. Got that?)

Perhaps you should have considered the fact that his post was 100% incorrect before using it to support your trolling.

Hickory-smoked: Also, not a rapper, but one of the celebs that came to mind when making the claim...

The actor Samuel L. Jackson said much the same thing: 'I voted for Barack because he was black,' he told Ebony magazine. 'Cuz that's why other folks vote for other people - because they look like them.'

Like I keep saying: People of color only vote based on skin tone. White people vote based on a careful consideration of the candidate's position on the issues. Thus, when black people vote for a black candidate: Racism. White people vote for a white candidate: Careful, rational thought. AND NOTHING ELSE.

(Oh, and if black people vote for a white candidate? Careful, rational thought. White people vote for a black candidate? They don't want to look like racists. Got that?)

Perhaps you should have considered the fact that his post was 100% incorrect before using it to support your trolling.

I'll just say this. None of the AfAm owned businesses that is patronize had pictures of any other Democratic president all over their walls. And I've never seen AfAm folks wearing t-shirts and jeans with Clinton on them or Jimmy Carter's face shaved into their hair.

Well if Romney wins you can shave his face into your hair and wear the T-shirt and Jeans.

FTFA:My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable.

The man is correct. The Republican power base -- i.e., most of the rich people in the U.S. -- cannot pull in enough votes on its own to win elections. So, they go after the right-wing kooks, which include the "conservative" religious zealots and the white supremacist bigots (those are not mutually exclusive btw) and a vast majority of the undereducated hotheads. I don't believe in my heart that the true core of the Republican party really likes having most of these idiots in their constituency, but from a vote-count perspective they really have no choice but to court them. I would think that most of the real leadership in the Republican party finds a significant portion of their constituency to be repugnant at best. They see it as a necessary evil.