So, if people are willing to pay for it, could then somebody explain me what the obvious extra-ordinairy added value if of this Hbb-TV that I do not see?
I do like the way you can quickly go to the cathup-TV by pushing the button (instead of pressing, Home, NetTV, browsing to the app).

Probably I'm to oldfashined and just pick up my laptop to do any browsing (imdb)...

I do have all NL channels correctly in the IP-EPG, but still 'no interactive TV functionality'
And freddy why not invest in a CAM?

I would also wish to have the TV updated to support HbbTV. I would even pay for it. It's a pity, my feeling says, the 2010 TV Set is not far away from supporting it.

Well I think support is a must!!! I donot buy a tv for only 2 years, but for 10 years. I think Hbbtv will expand more and more in de the next 8 years, so support of this feature on my 2010-set is a must!
Why doesnot Philips update the opera--browser?? Simple as it is. Why donot we get any feedback if we ask for it ???

I do have all NL channels correctly in the IP-EPG, but still 'no interactive TV functionality'
And freddy why not invest in a CAM?

I would, if I then could record and especially pause live tv. Since that is not possible with a 2010 tv, I prefer a separate digital decoder box that does offer all those features... That's why.

But back to HbbTV. Hmmm... the fact that it doesn't work for you and it does for me is apparently what Mark meant with whether or not the cable company allows them to use the red button. Actually very strange, as I suppose the red button doesn't offer your cable company's function either, so this way both sides loose. Mark?... Is this really necessary?...

And regarding the ARD example: yes, that really does look nice. But then again, all of that functionality is offered on ours as well, one way or the other, so... I don't really care that much. But that's just me... and maybe Chris... I guess.

But for those who do value a more slick look (and I sure wouldn't mind of course): I don't understand why it isn't offered on 2010 devices, as it is actually remarkably similar to the original widgets that were supported (but never used) up until firmware 140.11. So, how hard can it be, Mark?...

the on-screen widgets are mostly based on the HBBTV 1.1.1 web standard (together with CE-HTML 1.0). However, the 2010 integrated opera browser (which is the basis) does only support CE-HTML 1.0 and not HBBTV 1.1.1. That's the reason why the on-screen widgets of e.g. ARD are not functional/viewable on 2010 models and the mediathek is loaded instead of the "ARD Startbar on-screen widget".

Models of 2009 & 2010 are not able to show the red-button indicator nor the Hbb-TV widget.
These TVs will directly enter the Hbb-TV website when pressing the red button

Watching a channel with the hbb-tv working in a 2010 tv, pressing the red button:
if everything is ok, I will see the site,
if there is some problem , i will see a failure warning.
But in any case, i´ll never see again the demo menu
Is it right?

the quote of Mark is explained by me in post #25 - the TV is not able to show widgets/buttons on a transparent layer during watching TV.

toengel@Alex

Yes Alex, you are right. The 2010 tv´s owners dont see any red button on the screen. But if we push the red button in the remote, the website (hbb-vt homepage of the channel)must appears replacing the program on screen.

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