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Looks like Surabaya's boy is back.
Just ask LD how important the AG and OG is. Two events that he got 0 (zero) gold medals on.
Ask any badminton player on what the significance of winning the Olympic Gold....yet you dare to say Olympic is a joke???

Quotes from 2cents (taken from IBF still thins Lee HI the top player while Chen Hong not)

Smaller scaled means smaller entries. I knew and also said Taufik won Asian games. He needed only 4 matches (think about it one more time, just 4 matches ) to win the Asian games, in fact, which means the best of only 16 players.

Larger scaled tournaments, like all England, used to be more than 80 entries, and at least 6 matches to claim the title. With the introduction of super series, all tournaments become smaller scaled than before, but still larger than Asian games and Olympics.

I really think that my thoughts are so common and natural, although so many people here don't agree. If in any other sports, other than badminton, the more prize money, the more important of the tournament; the more entries, the better of the tournament; the more high ranked players, the higher level of the tournament. How come here in badminton, everything's upside down? Asian game? what a joke!!! without any European players, without world number 2 Chen Hong, without world number 4 Chen Jin, without world number 7 Chen Yu, without Sony, without Roslin, even they are all Asians, but has players playing with Hijab in the top 16! How can you rate such a joke game as the best tournament? Olympic is the same joke but in a little bit larger scale.

Originally Posted by badadum

Looks like Surabaya's boy is back.
Just ask LD how important the AG and OG is. Two events that he got 0 (zero) gold medals on.
Ask any badminton player on what the significance of winning the Olympic Gold....yet you dare to say Olympic is a joke???

consider only 32 MS constestants was allowed to compete in OG, so there are 2 groups in Athens Olympics:
first group consists of top 32 player (if we use the rank date: Aug 12)
second group consists of the player whom are outside top 32

and did u know that: ALL OF THE PLAYER WHOM ARE A MEMBER OF SECOND GROUP LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND, EXCEPT THE MATCH INVOLVING THE SECOND GROUP MEMBER!

that's why I called this is the Olympics joke.
several top 32 players can't participated in OG 04, replaced by several unknown players. as a result, BWF only spent money to give a free trip to them. only needs 30 minutes to play in OG, and then they can go back to their country with a souvenir from Athen!

I also didn't say it was you in particular, Winston. As for you, I only said that Yang Yang is never a real Olympic champ. 1988 Demonstration Gold does not count towards the GRAND SLAM of badminton. Even the Olympic record keepers think so.

Alan Budi Kusuma is the first real Olympic Badminton MS champ. That happened in Barcelona 1992 when badminton was officially an Olympic sport for the 1st time.

Anyway... if your point is to claim that Yang Yang was an all time great, I agree completely. If you claim that Taufik Hidayat is not another all time great, then I disagree. Taufik will be invited to the BWF Hall of Fame because he is an all-time great.

agree with you Winston_T
ABC is just regional tournament.
BTW, taufik won his olympic gold medal on his 2'nd attempt.
taufik failed at his first attempt in sidney...
so don't worry about LIN DAN...
last time in athens was his first attempt...
and it's just a matter of time for LIN DAN to grabs that OLYMPICS GOLD IN BEIJING....
Regards,,,,

agree with you Winston_T
ABC is just regional tournament.
BTW, taufik won his olympic gold medal on his 2'nd attempt.
taufik failed at his first attempt in sidney...
so don't worry about LIN DAN...
last time in athens was his first attempt...
and it's just a matter of time for LIN DAN to grabs that OLYMPICS GOLD IN BEIJING....
Regards,,,,

thanx Cinta China.
not only that, TH won his WC's title after 4th attempt.
and, from the total of 6 times participation in WC, he only can win 1 title.

agree with you Winston_T
ABC is just regional tournament.
BTW, taufik won his olympic gold medal on his 2'nd attempt.
taufik failed at his first attempt in sidney...
so don't worry about LIN DAN...
last time in athens was his first attempt...
and it's just a matter of time for LIN DAN to grabs that OLYMPICS GOLD IN BEIJING....
Regards,,,,

Anyway... if your point is to claim that Yang Yang was an all time great, I agree completely. If you claim that Taufik Hidayat is not another all time great, then I disagree. Taufik will be invited to the BWF Hall of Fame because he is an all-time great.

according to Wikipedia, Morten Frost Hansen was considered by many peoples as one of the greatest badminton player.
also, by most of BCers, Morten was considered as one of the 4 heavenly kings.
but, he never won OG or WC even once. the only prestigious title that he ever won was AE (4 times).
proved that winning OG or WC doesn't guarantee u could be claim as the greatest.

I also didn't say it was you in particular, Winston. As for you, I only said that Yang Yang is never a real Olympic champ. 1988 Demonstration Gold does not count towards the GRAND SLAM of badminton. Even the Olympic record keepers think so.

Alan Budi Kusuma is the first real Olympic Badminton MS champ. That happened in Barcelona 1992 when badminton was officially an Olympic sport for the 1st time.

that's why I called TH as a lucky person.
lucky bcoz:
Yang Yang never win the real OG gold
several tricky opponents were absence in OG 04
only 2 titles, and he was considered as the greatest.

before this thread was closed, I'm waiting for your comments about this:

Originally Posted by Winston_T

according to Wikipedia, Morten Frost Hansen was considered by many peoples as one of the greatest badminton player.
also, by most of BCers, Morten was considered as one of the 4 heavenly kings.
but, he never won OG or WC even once. the only prestigious title that he ever won was AE (4 times).
proved that winning OG or WC doesn't guarantee u could be claim as the greatest.

agree with you Winston_T
ABC is just regional tournament.
BTW, taufik won his olympic gold medal on his 2'nd attempt.
taufik failed at his first attempt in sidney...
so don't worry about LIN DAN...
last time in athens was his first attempt...
and it's just a matter of time for LIN DAN to grabs that OLYMPICS GOLD IN BEIJING....
Regards,,,,

Please refer to your dictionaries on the definition of 'international'...