Ideal Org and List of Buildings Bought And Are Still Vacant

DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE FOLLOWING SCIENTOLOGY PROPERITES??
CAN ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES BE MOVED TO THE "STLL VACANT" LIST???

Here's a few notes.

RightOn;795299 said:

The Church of Scientology Religious Trust purchased the executive suit building at 1130 Eighth Ave. S. along with adjacent properties at 1112 and 1114 Eighth Ave. S. for $6 million from Fall School Associates
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NAHSVILLE- The Church of Scientology is moving ahead with its renovation of a building at 1130 Eight Ave. S.

These both refer to the same purchase, same building in Nashville TN. Last I read (yesterday) they are planning a Grand Opening celebration soon. So it is empty.

RightOn;795299 said:

Clearwater Academy International purchased the 2.8-acre lot at the corner of S Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue and Wyatt Street in August 2006 for $995,000.

This is tennis courts, some fields and a rundown shack. CW Academy still occupies their school building on the corner of Drew and Myrtle.

RightOn;795299 said:

Church of Scientology Mission of Largo Inc. is paying $389,000 for the church at 160 Sixth St. SW and the house behind it at 520 Cleveland Ave

Property records show that Scientology recently spent $1.1-million to buy the longtime Clearwater offices of the American National Red Cross at 624 Court St. Clearwater Fla

Cannot find this location. There is a building on corner of Court St approx in the area where "624" might be that is listed as 531 Franklin and owned by COS since 1993 for unspecified amount shortly (2 weeks) after the purchase by T J M Holdings Inc at $425K. These buildings are occupied. I cannot find any announcement as shown above ($1.1M Am Nat red cross 624 Court St Scientology).

RightOn;795299 said:

The Church of Scientology has purchased the 13-story Oak Cove building at 210 Osceola Ave. in downtown Clearwater bout for 5 million

Occupied. This is where COS moved everything FROM the Ft Harrison Hotel (which is now vacant and being worked on).

RightOn;795299 said:

The church has a contract to purchase a historic 7,000-square-foot building at 336 1st Ave. N, near Williams Park St Petersburg FLa bought in 2006? MAYBE

If anyone can help fill in the blanks, and you know of an empty org in your area or other areas that we can add to thevacant org list please post them here.
Please try to include the name of the building, street when purchased, how much it was purchased for, and if it is vacant and how long it has been vacant.

Please check the lists FIRST in this thread
We have one list for known vacant buildings and a list of buildings that we are still trying to confirm. THANKS!!!!

Hammond Property Investors has a Tony George .
There is a Tony Geroge listed in the Sci data base. hmmmmm
I ran Kirbo exec names and couldn't find anyhting except one name which was Michael Brown, but that is a common name and he was listed as a celebrity. So maybe not the same person.

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Scientology Montreal building - today it's empty & boarded up. The Actual Org runs out of a series of shabby rented storefronts across from a McDonalds on Papineau Street.

The Montreal Church of Scientology has been saving up its pennies to build its own downtown utopia, but utopia can be expensive, especially during these threadbare times. The Montreal chapter is looking to finally get going with renovations to their $4.25-million 2007 acquisition—the La Patrie building at 182 Ste-Catherine E., on the corner of Hôtel-de-Ville that once housed punk venue l’X and music store Sound Central. There’s just one problem: they haven’t got the cash.

If anyone can help fill in the blanks, and you know of an empty org in your area or other areas that we can add to thevacant org list please post them here.
Please try to include the name of the building, street when purchased, how much it was purchased for, and if it is vacant and how long it has been vacant.

Please check the lists FIRST in this thread
We have one list for known vacant buildings and a list of buildings that we are still trying to confirm. THANKS!!!!

If by "first" you mean the OP (original post) on the thread, the lists are not there.

Please specify where we can go to see the updated lists of vacant and not-sure-if-vacant properties.

Aaaah Melbourne Idle. How I lol at it. A White Elephant if there ever was one.

Address 251 Mt Alexander Rd Ascot Vale VIC AU

I think it was bought before 2007 but am not sure. Wrestled with council regulations for many years. Bought off ACU for $7M, still undergoing 'renovations' and completely unusable. Melb Day even had to POSTPONE THE SALE OF THEIR ORG in the city because they couldn't move into the Idle org yet! This raised the ire of some investors who wanted to grab their $8M city buildings and put it to good use. Like a car park or another 7-11.

tl;dr confirmed Melbourne Idle is completely Idle and will be for some time. Melbourne Day has the most staff of any org in Australia but members keep skipping out LOL. They force their kids on staff now.

It would be nice to break your list into failed vacant Orgs and another list for un-opened Ideal Orgs.

Can we compile a list of open Ideal Orgs (did they close the local Org/Missions?)
[strike]Buffalo Ideal - one of first Ideal Orgs opened[/strike]
[strike]Kansas City Ideal - $4.3M for renovations - started in 2006? - now open [/strike]

The church has sought approval from the City of Sydney to add two floors to its five-storey building, Scientology House, on Castlereagh Street. The increased floor space would help turn the building into an "Ideal Org", the name Scientologists give to their most significant churches.

Atlanta can't quite be called vacant, since they did make use of it on Saturday. But most of the time it's closed. Not sure how to classify that. "In progress?" (In regress?)

Technically, I believe all purchased Ideal Orgs are used in this manner. First they raise fund to buy the bldg. They buy the bldg, and then it sits empty and they hold more fundraisers in the empty bldg to try and raise money for renovations. They are still empty and they are only "open for business" when they have audit rooms and bookshelves.

They also hilariously put up the old Org up for sale and people try to buy them and get pissed off when they are delayed for years because the Ideal Org isn't open yet, so they can't sell the old one.

In the past I have asked Little Bear Victor to post my stories for me. I thank LBV for that. It's been about a year since my last posting. I'm usually very busy enjoying life and tend to stay out of the day to day noise. Some things have come to my attention recently, however, which made me feel compelled to communicate once again, so you'll see a couple more stories from me in the coming weeks.

Again, I have to include a disclaimer (as church PI's, “PR's”, lawyers and hired goons already have their hands full right now): This is simply a fictional bed-time story and none of the people/places referred to are to represent real people and/or places.

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Dad, tell me another story. I heard the LRH Birthday event just held was all about buildings, buildings, buildings again. Why do Scientology magazines, events and activities mainly concern buying and fixing up buildings?

That's a good question. First you need to understand that in the pre-Little Dickie years, from 1950 to the early 80's, the church was expanding consistently. The main concentration at the time was on delivery. Public would pay for specific courses and counseling and the churches worked to deliver the best service possible, in a timely manner. When a church expanded its facilities it was done using the money they made delivering service.

Pressuring parishioners to just give money for things other than specific service for that person did not exist as it does today.

Then, as LRH went off management lines, Little Dickie worked his way onto them. His destructive actions and their negative effect on the international statistics of the church have been covered in earlier bed-time stories.

As part of that, a serious situation was developing where new money coming in and cash in international reserves was falling steeply. At the same time the liability of unused prepayments was soaring.

This would be like having a restaurant that delivered $250 per week in meals that had taken in $100,000 for meals to be delivered some time in the future and yet it only had $40,000 in the bank and the situation was worsening quickly. This example is roughly the proportions of the real situation that existed.

Without a financial solution, Little Dickie's apocalypse-like world would collapse. Immediate money with no specific exchange was needed. Thus the world of “direct donations” was created. Staff were posted to collect for membership fees to fill a war chest, money for translations, for books-to-libraries, for preserving the technology, for starting new churches, for training counselors, for setting up educational programs, for drug rehabilitation, .... Each type of donation had its own offices and own staff and the public were chased for their money from all directions.

Additionally, as covered in detail in Bedtime Story #1 – “Super Power or Super PR”, there was another cash cow taking shape. Starting in 1978, word was spreading that the founder had created a type of counseling called "super power". Public heard about this and wanted to see it made available as a service. In 1986 three brothers donated a million dollars towards making a building where "super power" could be delivered in Clearwater and thus another source of money with no specific exchange was created. More registrars were posted, models of the future building were displayed, membership statuses were created, pins, pictures, gifts, etc were handed out, dinners and dances were held for the big donators – all kinds of promises were made and millions and millions of dollars rolled in.

It wasn't until almost 13 years after the first million-dollar donation, that construction would start and that had nothing to do with the intention to actually deliver "super power".

It was during the Lisa McPherson trial when tension between the local government/community and the church had reached a boiling point.

Part of the PR "handling" was to immediately start construction on the shell of the new building while telling the local community and government that this new building would result in new jobs and millions of dollars being spent locally. The PR plan worked. However, once the trial was over construction immediately came to a halt and the empty shell still sits there to this day. At the same time the aggressive collection of donations for this building continues into its 23rd year.

But Daddy – how does that tie into the church events, magazines and so forth being so fixated on buying and fixing buildings around the world?

So much money was being brought in for the "super power" building in Florida that Little Dickie thought, why not run this same scheme in every city where a church exists.

Under the International Finance Office is what is called the International Landlord Office. It's their job to recreate the program run for the "super power" building at the lower city levels – and thus another 50 plus cash cows were born.

This handled two problems for Little Dickie. The first being the need for cash and the second being the need for smoke, mirrors and props for magazines and events to create the illusion that the church was actually expanding and actually doing something. Unfortunately by just pushing the building end of "expansion", real expansion never occurs. In fact it is cut across.

Let's take their organization in Montreal as an example. It's been a small, struggling church with 10 to 15 staff for 20 years. It has a miniscule and limited number of active parishioners who have had their arms twisted and their pockets emptied to eventually come up with $4 million dollars.
This money is used to buy some big, old building that is supposed to be renovated and become beautiful. To do this, the public are told ANOTHER $4 million is needed which the parishioners don't have.

The newly purchased building sits empty and the church continues to struggle in its existing location.

The Montreal church is completely insolvent, it owes bills going back for ages (like almost every Scientology church on the planet) and it is harder than ever to get the parishioners to pay for actual services that would help support the local church because they donated what money they had, direct to international management for the new building.

Okay, what happens if some rich parishioner actually gives so much money that the huge, beautiful building actually gets opened? You have the same 10 to 15 struggling staff with all their bills move into a building that is much more expensive to run and maintain and no way to support it.

The public think that at least the building is owned by their local church and they no longer need to pay rent. Not true. The new church is owned by the International Finance Office and the local church now pays them the rent. In the end no actual expansion of religious activities is created, in fact the opposite is true.

As a money-making scheme, it's quite successful.

A city church like Montreal has always taken a lot of work to manage and only sends a few hundred dollars a week to management. Now, management has received $4 million direct from this one church as straight donations and there is no liability attached. Multiply this by more than 50 churches and you get the picture. That's why the religious service aspect of the church has taken a back seat and the commercial real estate angle has taken center stage.

The most obvious thing in the lobby of a church used to be its chart of services, now it is a model of a building and a big thermometer colored in to show how much of the needed donations have been paid to date.

But Dad, how long can these people be gotten to donate their money toward a dream building that promises to be their salvation to their city before they realize they have been had?

Good question. So far it's been 23 years in Clearwater Florida. The money is still coming in (approximately $70 million so far). The bank interest on $70 million is about $200,000 per month and there is still over $200,000 in new donations per month. When you realize that 85% of the Scientology churches in the world average well below $5,000 in weekly income and send only a few hundred dollars on to management, you can see the strategy here.

The city of Clearwater fines the church $2,500 per month for leaving the super power building unfinished. What a small price to pay. That empty concrete shell of a “church” sitting there in downtown Clearwater may be the most financially successful church ever in America.

It's just so derailed and off purpose for a “religion”. I think it is being run down a dead end street, to say the least.

ok a question comes to mind : since those rented buildings are owned by scientology, do they pay taxes on the rent?

Depends whose name it's in? I think I heard something about the orgs having to buy out some of the building them selves. If an individual wanted to buy a build he/she pays taxes for it, it have to be under a name that is non-profit to have it tax free or reduced.

Wouldn't it be interesting if listening devices were placed in these buildings prior to their being used by the $cifags? A La old time Soviet Russia? Yes, I know that is illegal. But still interesting.

Perhaps that is why they 'rehab' the places first, to insure there are NO listening devices?

It is very possible that there are devices within the infrastructure, unlikely. Even if there was, you would need to know where and what frequency to tune into. The only instances of this I know about are when new embassies are built. Why would anyone want to spy in on a TR or somebody whispering about removing body thetans?

So miscabbage is running a scam using properties to fleece his brainwashed followers, what happens to these empty buildings? someone has got to figure out eventually they are being duped, like the local communities these buildings reside in... I thought I read around here somewhere that Miscabbage is unaccounted for, I wonder if he has already taken the money and run.

When this scam does finally collapse places like Clearwater will be become bankrupt ghost towns. Can you imagine the economic burden this is going to put on the local governments and communities?

Huge bawwww fest no one saw them coming but OG warning for years and no one did nothing. We are doing the same now and still all that happens is we uncover people like the riverside supervisors with their heads in the sand.

So miscabbage is running a scam using properties to fleece his brainwashed followers, what happens to these empty buildings?

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The beauty of this scam is that the buildings are mostly tax-exempt and the ownership is in some mysterious corporation. The only charges against the buildings is whatever is charged for utilities - natural gas, electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. Insurance should be a charge, but Scientology self-insures its properties. On top of this, the Org pays rent!

So, Davie can hold those old properties forever until they individually gain value appreciation significant enough for him to sell to the highest bidder. The saying, "Nobody ever lost money investing in real estate." applies to Davie's master plan.

Until he wants to sell, the local org has to beg, borrow, or steal enough cash to keep the property solvent in the basic costs, while Davie holds the deed. This is the SO's practice of slave labor taken down to the Org/public level.

Only in Scientology could this financial leveraging of the public people in a religion (sic) for the benefit of unknown others be profitable.

So miscabbage is running a scam using properties to fleece his brainwashed followers, what happens to these empty buildings?

IMHO, this is exactly what is happening. The cult is collecting real estate, real estate is always to good have. Beyond that I believe these underground vaults with precious metals are more akin to a diversified portfolio.

IF we can come up with a reasonable estimate of monies they have plunged into these types of assets, I would like to see it compared to "community assistance".

Example: While VM has nice tents and cool looking jackets, how much in food clothing, water do the expend at emergency events?

Example: While they dontate $25,000 to the local police dept, $2500 to the fire dept. But very poor women with children they donated a dozen laundry basket with $7 worth of sample boxes of soap and dryer sheets in each. (of course there was a nice press release with photo).

I think we can show the whole "out exchange" thing they have --- read: political influence.

The beauty of this scam is that the buildings are mostly tax-exempt and the ownership is in some mysterious corporation. The only charges against the buildings is whatever is charged for utilities - natural gas, electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. Insurance should be a charge, but Scientology self-insures its properties. On top of this, the Org pays rent!

So, Davie can hold those old properties forever until they individually gain value appreciation significant enough for him to sell to the highest bidder. The saying, "Nobody ever lost money investing in real estate." applies to Davie's master plan.

Until he wants to sell, the local org has to beg, borrow, or steal enough cash to keep the property solvent in the basic costs, while Davie holds the deed. This is the SO's practice of slave labor taken down to the Org/public level.

Only in Scientology could this financial leveraging of the public people in a religion (sic) for the benefit of unknown others be profitable.

Yes. Also, there seems to be an increase in scn postings related to Ideal Orgs lately. I have noticed a large increase doing searches by ideal org just since about a week ago.

We should also look to see if they are paying property tax on the empty buildings.
In California, and i assume most states, vacant buildings do not qualify for property tax exemption.

Property Tax Exemptions for Religious Organizations

6. Property that does not qualify for any exemption
Contrary to common belief, some property owned by religious organizations does not
qualify for any property tax exemption. Typical examples are explained below.
Vacant, unused, or excess property
Property that is vacant, unused, or excess on the January 1 property tax lien date is not
eligible for exemption for the following reasons:
• Revenue and Taxation Code sections 206 requires exclusive use of property for
religious worship purposes.
• Revenue and Taxation Code section 207 require exclusive use of property for
religious worship and school activities.
State Board of Equalization
1 4 Property Tax Exemptions April 2007
• Revenue and Taxation Code section 214, subdivision (a) requires exclusive use of
property for the organization’s exempt purpose. Section 214, subdivision (a)(3) requires
use of the property for the actual operation of an exempt activity.
The intent to use the property at a later date does not make the property eligible. The
assessor cannot allow an exemption until the January 1 lien date after a qualifying use
begins.
In this context, “excess property” is property in excess of what your organization reasonably
needs or is using for your exempt purposes and activities.
Property under construction or demolition
Property acquired before the January 1 lien date. An exemption cannot be granted
under Revenue and Taxation code sections 206, 207, 214.1 or 214.2, on property
acquired
before the January 1 property tax lien date of the year in which the exemption
is first claimed if construction, demolition, or remodeling of an existing structure has
not started as of that January 1 lien date.
However, property acquired after the January 1 lien date may qualify for a full or partial
church, religious, or welfare exemption as of the acquisition date under Revenue and
Taxation Code section 271 (see Note, next page), provided both of the following conditions
are met:
• Construction, demolition, remodeling, and so forth starts immediately after the
acquisition.
• The building is then completed and used in a way that qualifies for the exemption
without unnecessary delay.
The intent to begin construction, demolition, or remodeling, and a qualifying use at a
later date does not qualify the property for the exemptions.
Note: Newly acquired or constructed property is subject to two property tax assessments:
a regular (“roll”) assessment and a “supplemental” assessment. The exemption
rules are different for each assessment. Your county assessor can explain them to you.
Property used for fundraising (commercial in nature)
An organization’s use of its property on a regular basis for fundraising activities that
are commercial in nature and compete with business enterprises may be grounds for
denying an exemption. Competitive and commercial fundraising activities are viewed
as revenue-generating activities unrelated to an organization’s exempt purpose even
when the proceeds are used for exempt purposes and activities.

Sunderland Co$ is definitely not empty, saw a couple of clams leaving it yesterday and a friend of mine went in to harass the cult the day after the Anon protest (bit stupid I know, but I'm not condoning his actions)

Sunderland Co$ is definitely not empty, saw a couple of clams leaving it yesterday and a friend of mine went in to harass the cult the day after the Anon protest (bit stupid I know, but I'm not condoning his actions)

Team Detroit here.
This was a couple weeks ago. Only improvement was this nifty sign.
Checked even more recently than this, but don't find the pix.
Thought they might have had the &quot;Miscavige Do-Over Event&quot; there and spruced it up even superficially for that, but no.