greycrusader wrote:This is a common American televison trope and you're the umpteenth person to point out how unrealistic it is (even in programs such as Arrow, which aren't exactly realistic); it happens frequently on law and police based shows

It is? You must be watching different shows to the shows I'm watching.

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov

Perhaps. More likely I'm thinking of shows from back when I was younger, when I was still a Law and Order series fan, or shows such as Homicide from back when I was growing up. But it still turns up, such as in the recent episode of the Good Wife I mentioned. That one was especially bad, particularly for a show that usually has top notch writing. The distraught defendant is sitting at the table, when he notices the guard standing right next to the table conveniently has the firearm unholstered-never mind the defendant would have to move from the table, brush aside the guard's arm, pull the pistol from the holster at an angle, and do so without any resistance from a trained court officer, or without the other guards reacting first. At least the writers had enough respect to have all that happen off-screen.

(They had to get rid of a major character, because the actor decided to move on from the show. But they could have found a less foolish way to do so.)

greycrusader wrote:Perhaps. More likely I'm thinking of shows from back when I was younger, when I was still a Law and Order series fan

Yeah it has got pretty bad in recent years, especially SVU. As for the others, I haven't watched them, so my guess was right. you and I watch very different shows (an if you aren't watching the BBC's Musketeers all I can say is "whats wrong with you" ).

Right now I'm watching "Cutie Honey Live", since I have a day to spare, its been raining all morning & I've got no where I need to be: If you keep on telling yourself its a superhero show, it almost works.

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov

greycrusader wrote:Perhaps. More likely I'm thinking of shows from back when I was younger, when I was still a Law and Order series fan

Yeah it has got pretty bad in recent years, especially SVU. As for the others, I haven't watched them, so my guess was right. you and I watch very different shows (an if you aren't watching the BBC's Musketeers all I can say is "whats wrong with you" ).

Right now I'm watching "Cutie Honey Live", since I have a day to spare, its been raining all morning & I've got no where I need to be: If you keep on telling yourself its a superhero show, it almost works.

The whole L&0 franchise started going waaaay down hill at least seven years back, if not sooner; SVU got wretched, with by-the-numbers cliched writing that always featured an utterly predictable "shock" twist ending.

Even Mariska couldn't make the show worth watching after a season of that kind of writing.

Its actually got worse than that now. Now the entire thing is just infighting amongst characters & the man bad, woman good narrative that was an undertone in the early seasons has become all the series is about anymore. But I do find it amazing that the writers can find new ways every week to say "I'm a man & so I committed that crime due to maleness" when the motivation is finally revealed. I think the death kneel for SVU was when they did the "pulled from the headlines" thing & even in specific crimes not committed by men, some how they are still committed by men when they make it into the show.

“Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’.”-Isaac Asimov

I don't want to spoil anything the night of the episode, but I will say I thought tonight's episode was pretty could and this episode's use of specific flashbacks to contrast of how the defining elements (even arguably one's better angels) of one's character can lend themselves to both noble and morally questionable acts was done well, IMHO.

Also, not entirely sure Slade's character will live through this season (or at least whatever next season's cliffhanger resolution ends up being).

I can actually somehow see 'Deathstroke' dying this season, but Slade living on.

I did really like tonight's episode-I felt like Roy was really underused in the past few weeks, and that's just part of the nature of the show, since there are a lot of characters. It was cool to have non-island flashbacks too.

@HappyDaze: yes, I noticed it too. I kept looking around my house wondering if something was making noise. Glad I wasn't the only one.

@Kyle: I think that may be overstated, though I think it is fair to say that it was mostly about the last 5 minutes. However, I think we're also supposed to see the cracks in Ollie and Sarah's relationship to add to her inevitable death and the equally inevitable introduction of Ollie's 7-year old son Connor in the future.

Sadly, I think it's going to be pretty hard to redeem Roy to the side of the angels this season.