Comments on: Crystal Cathedral Founder Denounces Anti-Gay “Covenant”http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/17/31403
News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyMon, 07 Aug 2017 19:21:39 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5By: Katehttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/17/31403#comment-91452
Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:34:23 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-91452Go, Dr. Bob! I have always respected Reverend Robert Schuller – he was the only TV preacher I’ve ever been able to watch, and he always impressed me with his “I love my faith, it makes me joyful, come and share the joy” kind of attitude. Not “I know better than you, you’re going to hell unless you repeat after me” which is what his daughter seems to be buying into.

I’m not much for organized religion, but I found myself enjoying his sermons, some of which I still think about. He seemed like one of the most sincerely decent people in the megachurch circles; I always wondered if he’d get caught in some scandal like so many of his peers, but it sounds like he’s still a decent man.

It makes me sad to think of Robert Schuller’s joyful and loving welcome being tainted by his daughter’s “welcome, but only after you sign here that you agree with my bigoted and moralistic opinion”…I don’t know if I would ever have gone to his church, but I used to feel I would have been welcome as a guest. Not any longer, it seems.

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Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:23:23 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-91110I’m a United Church of Christ pastor and managing our financial resources is part of my job. But I share the responsibility with a Church Council that is elected directly by the congregation, is accountable to them, and not beholden to me. And none of them are my relatives.

We are an open and affirming church that welcomes LGBT people. Why, even the pastor is gay!

Given the Crystal Cathedral’s precarious current financial situation — they are in bankruptcy — I would not be surprised if a large donor has promised a major gift on the condition the church become more visibly anti-gay.

And, from a business perspective, the current leadership of the Crystal Cathedral has led them into severe decline and bankruptcy court. In a real business, with an independent board of directors, they’d be fired.

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Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:05:36 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-91005I was thinking that Rev. Sheila Schuller Coleman’s words would piss off her father. He is the only “Sunday Morning Preacher” I could listen to. He needs to come out of retirement and kick some ass and show some “moral outrage”.
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Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:18:42 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90969Some day the owner is going to ask the management what they did with His resources, and I do not think His response will be pleasant.
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Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:06:26 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90932I believe that this is the beginning of the end of Rev. Sheila Schuller Coleman. This church has played a positive role up to now for so many of us. Hers is sick thinking and needs to be squashed. I have heard her father preach many times. A few times in person and he never spread a seed of hatefulness such as this. I think that the Crystal Cathedral needs a new pastor that represents the Power of Positive thinking from whence it was born.
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Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:41:06 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90917exactly. management they very thing jesus was against in his stories the church has become today. complete with lawyers, yearly fiscal reports, land ownership.

the ones in atlanta georgia all own parking lots making thousands every night from people who go to clubs etc. imagine.

]]>By: Throbert McGeehttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/17/31403#comment-90910
Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:20:12 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90910By the way, TZ, I’m certainly not denying that fundamentalists play word games with Scripture — I’m just saying that your complaint about the definition of “the Sabbath” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because the start and end of the Jewish weekly calendar aren’t tethered to external events like full moons or solar equinoxes in the way that the Jewish monthly/annual calendar is. (Except in the sense that any given day begins at sundown.)
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Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:58:04 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90908TampaZeke:

Please show me chapter and verse where God changed its mind about which day was the Sabbath

Please show me where it’s written that “the Sabbath” CAN’T be “Sunday,” or where “Sabbath” is even clearly identified as being “the day after Friday.” (You won’t find this, because Jewish tradition doesn’t name the six non-Sabbath days of the week.)

Of course, since Jewish tradition has always regarded the “Sabbath” as being the final day of a seven-day week, then for consistency’s sake, Christians who want to observe Sunday as the Sabbath ought to reckon the week as beginning on Monday, thereby making Sunday the seventh day.

So in this sense — and ONLY in this sense — calendars that treat the Christian Sabbath (i.e., Sunday) as the FIRST day of the week rather than the LAST day of the week are inconsistent with the way that Scripture defines “the Sabbath.”

But NB that calendars beginning the week on Monday and ending on Sunday are in fact used in some Western countries that are or historically were majority Christian — it merely happens that the Sunday-to-Saturday week is the preferred calendar format in other countries, including the US.

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Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:51:37 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90902Never mind, it was considered a council.
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Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:50:28 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=31403#comment-90901Oops was Nicea considered a diet, or a convocation? Or is there some other term used for that particular meeting?
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