What do you call playing the 3 note chord found at measure eleven? How do you handle the rhythm of the slurred bow stroke?

There is also a difficult fingering at measure sixteen. It looks like you should be playing C and G with the same third finger first position and then the rest with the second and first after shifting the third to G alone. Any tips on how to handle that?

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Aloha PopFiddle,

I have looked at his version, but being a stark beginner, haven't even been able to play the "easy" version yet. I can only hope to be able to play this in short order. Still I think I know what he did there. Go back and listen to it again. He doesn't play all three notes at the same time. He first plays the low G then immediately switches to the B and D double stop (even though he doesn't actually have to stop the D string).

This is actually quite common in Bach. I listened to Hillary Hahn playing the Partitas, found on Fiddlerman's site, and there are quite a few times where two different double stops are played in that manner, and it is often the lower double stop followed by the higher double stop. That's really the only way to play more than two notes in a "chord" that I can see, but others may have a better way of explaining it to you.

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Ibud... How you explained it, is how it was explained to me. (in person by another violinist). I was showed to bow as you said.. start on the one note and "arch" over to the last two at the same time.

If that makes any sense.

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Aloha Toni,

Not that I can do it, but at least I understand how it's done. When you watch Pierre as he gets to that section, it's made all that much clearer. Talk about your string crossings

I'm glad that I wasn't leading PopFiddle on the wrong path. I just wish that I could someday do what Pierre did in measures 32 and 33. It sounded like he had a continuous bow on the G (using the D string) while concurrently playing the C, B, A, and B (on the G string). He did an up bow and a down bow while playing that G without a break. Every time I change from an up bow to a down bow (or vice versa), there is a break at the top or bottom of my stroke. I'll get around that fixing that as well, hopefully.

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The 3 note chord is a G major chord and you can either split it into two double stops bottom and top or play further away from the bridge pressing hard enough to hit all three strings at once. If you do this you need to equal the pressure with good bow speed.

With the chord in the 16th measure you need to can place all three fingers down in the right position and carefully slide the third finger to the right enough to remain on the D but leave the G. If you have most of the third finger already on the D it will be easier to carefully leave it rhythmically.

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You could use this technique as well to play a 3 note chord -- or even more:

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Fiddlerman said
The 3 note chord is a G major chord and you can either split it into two double stops bottom and top or play further away from the bridge pressing hard enough to hit all three strings at once. If you do this you need to equal the pressure with good bow speed.
With the chord in the 16th measure you need to can place all three fingers down in the right position and carefully slide the third finger to the right enough to remain on the D but leave the G. If you have most of the third finger already on the D it will be easier to carefully leave it rhythmically.
Have fun with it

Yes, this is a fun piece. I'm making progress applying two double stops on the G major chord and I'm making measure sixteen work as you suggest.

I've also been working on Raglan Road for a couple of months and most recently Red Wing which is tougher than both, with some real tricky fingerings. Good stuff, all of it.

If I ever get any video equipment together, I'll be sure to share my struggles.