Immediately after they talked about how great of leader Luck was last night. They never directly compared the two but I thought it was funny how obvious they were trying to paint Luck as this all time great leader and RG3 has a failure.

People hate on the Redskins it's just a fact, Griffin has been nothing but a class act and they find ways to dog him. Why? Because he's a redskin. I guess it's snyder or maybe the name? But the people just like to put the team and its players down

People hate on the Redskins it's just a fact, Griffin has been nothing but a class act and they find ways to dog him. Why? Because he's a redskin. I guess it's snyder or maybe the name? But the people just like to put the team and its players down

Well to play devil's advocate, classy doesn't mean they're a good leader.

I'm about as classy as they come but I am absolutely horrible at commanding a team of people.

I think it's fine, I mean I don't think he's deeply entrenched with the team but he's not ostracized either.

Just a couple of weeks ago, London Fletcher said he thought RG3 was too young to really be considered the leader, and no one batted an eye

Fletcher is onto something there, but RG3 is the team's leader anyway because there are few others who are remotely capable of making the impact he does. Fletch is that sage voice but he's so ineffective now I wonder how much they listen to him. Hall's playing well but he's no leader. Orakpo is really well respected but he's been hurt a lot. The rest of the quality players on the team are young guys. Kerrigan, Trent, Alfred and RG3. They're the leaders.

So they're going to lead like young people lead, questionably. People within the locker room probably question them. But they are our core and will grow together into strong leaders.

If we had any depth and didn't have a cap penalty to deal with, then maybe they wouldn't have to be leaders this year.

Know what I'd like to see, somebody big and strong and good really get in the face of the next guy to commit a stupid personal foul penalty. Like the next D Hall personal foul, Kerrigan comes to him on the sideline and says not on my effing defense, I don't care who you think you are. And then a fight breaks out. Even if it were a distraction from the game and we lose because of it, it would be worth it to start that culture change.

I'd like to see Shanahan set that tone but he doesn't. So I'm left craving for a player to do it.

Fletcher is onto something there, but RG3 is the team's leader anyway because there are few others who are remotely capable of making the impact he does. Fletch is that sage voice but he's so ineffective now I wonder how much they listen to him. Hall's playing well but he's no leader. Orakpo is really well respected but he's been hurt a lot. The rest of the quality players on the team are young guys. Kerrigan, Trent, Alfred and RG3. They're the leaders.

So they're going to lead like young people lead, questionably. People within the locker room probably question them. But they are our core and will grow together into strong leaders.

If we had any depth and didn't have a cap penalty to deal with, then maybe they wouldn't have to be leaders this year.

They need to be the leaders anyway, since they're the face of our team. RG3 didn't exactly have a veteran QB show him the ropes, he was kinda thrown to the wolves.

I don't know what RG3 leadership style is like. I don't feel like he's giving rousing halftime speeches or anything. But I do think he'll be perfectly fine in the coming years.

Know what I'd like to see, somebody big and strong and good really get in the face of the next guy to commit a stupid personal foul penalty. Like the next D Hall personal foul, Kerrigan comes to him on the sideline and says not on my effing defense, I don't care who you think you are. And then a fight breaks out. Even if it were a distraction from the game and we lose because of it, it would be worth it to start that culture change.

I'd like to see Shanahan set that tone but he doesn't. So I'm left craving for a player to do it.

So.. You're looking for personal accountability? That seems like it needs to start from the coaches down.

I can't remember the last fiery coach/player the Redskins had. And I don't mean stupidly fiery like D. Hall can be but someone who played/coached the entire game with passion. Like you could look in their face and tell that losing was killing them.