"I'm not the type to let a sleeping giant lie. I wake up the giant, slap him around, make him mad and beat him to the ground. I talk a big game because I carry a big stick." --- All-Pro Stanford Graduate

It's annoying to see that not only is Kiper a believer, but he looks giddy when talking about Wilson. I don't think I've ever seen that man look giddy about anybody, before. Then again, I try to avoid Kiper...

Blowhards get paid to be blowhards. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Skip Bayless, Mel Kiper, they all pick a side and go with it. It makes good TV, radio and articles. Nobody they trot out there on ESPN or any other network is a real "Expert" because all of the experts are at the VMAC breaking down tape on college talent.

JesterHawk wrote:Blowhards get paid to be blowhards. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Skip Bayless, Mel Kiper, they all pick a side and go with it. It makes good TV, radio and articles. Nobody they trot out there on ESPN or any other network is a real "Expert" because all of the experts are at the VMAC breaking down tape on college talent.

I've got no problem with this. What I do have a problem with is when they pretend they weren't wrong. It's ok to be wrong. Everybody is, all the time, about various things. Just 'fess up when you're wrong in a big way, for cryin' out loud. Some guys do this in the NFL business, the vast majority do not.

I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Rat wrote:I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Didn't Kiper say Wilson's ceiling was being a backup? Someone did, I know for sure; thought it was Kiper, but can't remember for certain.

I didn't feel like Kiper was over the top last year. At worst, he stated kind of the obvious. Guys sub 6' in the third round or later have no track record of success. Really regardless of size, getting drafted that late or later is extremely difficult to project them being a starter, much less a franchise QB.

I did however love hearing Gruden's passionate diatribe on Kiper's lack of faith in Wilson. Honestly, I saw it as the difference between a guy who looks at the draft like a cattle call -- a football outsider with no regard to developing a player, and a coach who appreciates the non 'on tape' quality of a prospect and a guy who has intimate knowledge of the realities of turning prospects into players. It was a perfect illustration of the difference in depth that both men bring to the discussion.

Kiper really only has a superficial understanding of prospects and a shallow, but broad understanding of key elements of the draft process. Overall, I think he hits more than he misses and hits more than most amateurs do. But he falls into the classic trap of thinking he knows more than he does. He doesn't understand or recognize the process of turning those guys into pros and he doesn't have the ability to see how guys fit into a team's schemes.

Rat wrote:I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Didn't Kiper say Wilson's ceiling was being a backup? Someone did, I know for sure; thought it was Kiper, but can't remember for certain.

I think it was Bill Polian but I'm not absolutely sure. That guy's another mediot that's no better than the rest. ....I'll listen to the opinions/analysis of Jaworski and Gruden right now and all the rest can buzz off.

Rat wrote:I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Didn't Kiper say Wilson's ceiling was being a backup? Someone did, I know for sure; thought it was Kiper, but can't remember for certain.

I think it was Bill Polian but I'm not absolutely sure. That guy's another mediot that's no better than the rest. ....I'll listen to the opinions/analysis of Jaworski and Gruden right now and all the rest can buzz off.

Polian said Wilson would be a backup at best, but he also said the 3rd round was good value for him and said the Hawks didn't reach at all for him there.

Rat wrote:I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Why? Last years draft alone "Irvin way over reach, Wagner, this pick baffles me Seattle baffles me, Wilson, he is too short to play in the league." Aaron Curry, "The safest pick in this draft." He also had Clausen as a mid first rounder. Nuff said. He's a big dumb dummy. Its also been noted that he takes payoffs from agents to hype players.

I've got no problem with the segment. Some of you see so much red when you watch Kiper that you probably blocked it out when he came out and said how wrong he was about Wilson. At least he was man enough to admit it. That tool Dilfer loves himself too much to fess up.

What I'd really like that to do is make Hines Ward answer up, but it's a bit premature I suppose. I don't know if anyone saw it, but they had him on NFL network and when they asked about the rookie QBs and how they compare, he said 'when it's all said and done' Luck and RG3 'will have much better NFL careers' than Russell Wilson. That dude is a self-absorbed d*ck. At the end of Russells, all-pro, Super Bowl-winning, HOF caliber career, I think Ward should have to stand about 15 yards in front of RW and get drilled in the nutz with a football. Russell probably wouldn't stoop to that, so a Juggs machine or Jamarcus Russell would do the trick.

Rat wrote:I've always been a big supporter of Kiper because he gets unfairly bashed, but his stuff about Wilson wasn't really all that negative last year. He had the same concerns that most did (the height thing), but also added that if Russell Wilson isn't able to do it, no 5'10" QB ever will.

Didn't Kiper say Wilson's ceiling was being a backup? Someone did, I know for sure; thought it was Kiper, but can't remember for certain.

It was the "expert" coach that Kiper called in that day Gruden was ripping him.

Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.

R. Sherman: "I don't want to be an island. I want to be a tourist attraction. You come, I take your money & you go."

HawKnPeppa wrote:I've got no problem with the segment. Some of you see so much red when you watch Kiper that you probably blocked it out when he came out and said how wrong he was about Wilson. At least he was man enough to admit it. That tool Dilfer loves himself too much to fess up.

What I'd really like that to do is make Hines Ward answer up, but it's a bit premature I suppose. I don't know if anyone saw it, but they had him on NFL network and when they asked about the rookie QBs and how they compare, he said 'when it's all said and done' Luck and RG3 'will have much better NFL careers' than Russell Wilson. That dude is a self-absorbed d*ck. At the end of Russells, all-pro, Super Bowl-winning, HOF caliber career, I think Ward should have to stand about 15 yards in front of RW and get drilled in the nutz with a football. Russell probably wouldn't stoop to that, so a Juggs machine or Jamarcus Russell would do the trick.

It's not about him manning up and admitting he was wrong. It was his complete douchbaggery that came out when we mades the picks. I swear he was having a stroke every time we picked. After 3 years of JS/PC picking in the draft, let's see if he sees things in a new perspective this year. I'd put my money on Not.