By the way, I went surfing thorugh forums just now and realised something. Apparently, (as quoted from the forum) the ZR tremelo is made out of cheap material and is very fragile. This is what the opinion said: "Although I've got a ZR, go with the FR. Not many people know about this, but the piece that secures in the tremolo is made of cheap plastic, and it's very easy to break. I broke mine and had to replace it (And the trem bar) with OFR pieces, which took mucho modding. Just go with the OFR." On top of this, quite a few people who owned a Ibanez S series with the ZR tremelo agreed with this. However, they had their own methods of "maintaining it" from breaking. This makes me doubt the durablity of the ZR.

Fortunately, it was mentioned that this problem has been solved in the new ZR2, though I hope it does not turn to be something like the edge III. Apparenty, the ZR2 tremelos are only installed in the prestige S series. So i believe the prices are going to go up by quite alot as compared to the s470.

By the way, I went surfing thorugh forums just now and realised something. Apparently, (as quoted from the forum) the ZR tremelo is made out of cheap material and is very fragile. This is what the opinion said: "Although I've got a ZR, go with the FR. Not many people know about this, but the piece that secures in the tremolo is made of cheap plastic, and it's very easy to break. I broke mine and had to replace it (And the trem bar) with OFR pieces, which took mucho modding. Just go with the OFR." On top of this, quite a few people who owned a Ibanez S series with the ZR tremelo agreed with this. However, they had their own methods of "maintaining it" from breaking. This makes me doubt the durablity of the ZR.

Fortunately, it was mentioned that this problem has been solved in the new ZR2, though I hope it does not turn to be something like the edge III. Apparenty, the ZR2 tremelos are only installed in the prestige S series. So i believe the prices are going to go up by quite alot as compared to the s470.

What are your views to this?

Thanks

I have no idea what you are refering to. Im looking ar the zr right now in person, and see no cheap plastic. Im at a loss here. There seems to be alot of hate online towards the zr, but its unwarranted. And while I don't play it anymore, im only playing 7's these days, its my choice 6 string. But obviouly a prestige would be better. I should also mention before I got the s470 back in the day, I was playing a prs ce22, which I gladly sold after I first played a saber. Im sure alot of people would call that a horrible choice, but my playing took off once I did, and improved tremendously faster. Its a very user friendly guitar.

Take that back...there is some plastic where the tremelo arm slides in, but I played the guitar for 4 years with out a problem. Just because some random dude broke one, doesn't mean anything. Anything and everything is prone to failure when misused.

if necks and trems are the big concern, make certain to try a s prestige model. itll blow the standard line away in terms of neck finish and playability everytime. i own both standard series and prestige s models, and the style is all i play practically. i do own others, however they sit alone and get no play since i got into the s series. the prestige will be on par with esp standard series, and feel (imo) better than the esp, albeit very different.

How does the normal s series fare against the prestige s series? Because over here. the pretige s series cost about $2200 whereas the s series cost about $1000. So I want to know if this jump in in price is equal to the quality?

On top of that, the bridges I heard are the same. Both uses a ZP2. apparently all the s series that comes in now is equipped with a ZP2.

How does the normal s series fare against the prestige s series? Because over here. the pretige s series cost about $2200 whereas the s series cost about $1000. So I want to know if this jump in in price is equal to the quality?

On top of that, the bridges I heard are the same. Both uses a ZP2. apparently all the s series that comes in now is equipped with a ZP2.

Please advise.

Thanks

the prestige is made in japan, where ibanez is based, with a hand crafted neck. The non prestige is made in indonesia, but all cnc, so there isn't any room for error. If you can afford it, you will have more pride playing the prestige, but either way, both nice guitars

Because I think I have gathered enough theoratical opinions on the ESP horizon and whats left for me is trying it out. However, I can't try it out yet so I will wait till its available at my local shop to try it out.

So now, I just want to gather more information about the S series since, due to my mistake, I did not realise that the s470 is a 22 fret guitar. Sorry. So now I'm looking at the s570, s770fm and the s5470 prestige. Thus, I will like to know if the difference of more than 2 times in the pricing between the s570 and s5470 is worth it or not.

Rest assured, I will try out both guitars and get back to you guys with my personal opinions on them

I been looking into these shapes lately and been wondering if I should pick on of them up since they all LOOK great, but in terms of playability comfort, which one seems to be the best for those who have played them?

Note the only Jacksons I have really played are soloists and dinkies and they all play great.

I am a big Jackson fan, but when playability is the main concern... IMO the best would be the Warrior. You can play on it while sitting like on a "dinky" or it fits really well in the "classical" "v" position.

While standing, especially during solos, the body shape, "horns" lets you "block" the guitar with your legs and play solos without any problems. (of course it can be done on a KV and I think RR also.. but rather not on a kelly...

Now I have superstrats , and after playing on a ML shape, I had to relearn how to play solos while standing on superstrats LOL.

Try each and see which is the best fit for you. The Hellraiser is where I ended up with two Lundgren M8s installed aftermarket but you could easily do the same with the Damion Elite or the Ibanez models. Good luck.

actually this is a thread i want to see as well though ppl natural dislike 'vs' threads. i already hav an intrepid 828 but it's dominated by maple wood sounds, being neck thru. so i am wondering how these guitars would sound like (schecter being setneck, ibanez bolton, the main body is mahogany), and how the different scale lengths come into play. ppl say 26.5 is too short for F# but if 27 is good enough, why not 26.5?