Yea...it is a lot of rucous, but I would rather get it out of the way now, rather than have it lurking in the background with hostile feelings. We are all adults..more or less, and we should be able to discuss Krav...with respect for each other.

Then again I could be

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Very true, and i mean we should all be able to discuss matters like this sensibly without so much antagonism and animosity, i've looked at some other forums for krav and seen arguments and pretty heated debates on this whole thing, and its pretty sad to see practitioners of the same system and art be so divided over such insignificant issues. however i guess this is how it is one way or another for the majority MA.

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Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,

I train with Alan Feldman in PA...I dont know what a typical class by Dave is like since when he visits he usually just shows us some of the new additions to the syllabus and stuff that the IKMA is working on these days.

There really is an Israeli flavor to movement that really needs to be seen to understand...I have only seen it in David,Rick,Eyal Yanilov,Alan Feldman and a couple of his students as well as Ohad Gidon and Yigal Arbiv.It really is the main thing lacking in American krav.