I assume we don't know this about the app either, but I have one burning question... Will the app allow you to use a video output (hdmi, component) to a TV or other device? For instance if you have a TV without a TiVo, could you play to it from video out from an iPad streaming from a stream? Or if you have a downloaded video and play it on a tv when you're not home?

I assume we don't know this about the app either, but I have one burning question... Will the app allow you to use a video output (hdmi, component) to a TV or other device? For instance if you have a TV without a TiVo, could you play to it from video out from an iPad streaming from a stream? Or if you have a downloaded video and play it on a tv when you're not home?

I think you may be mixing up the Stream and the Mini. The stream only handles streaming to mobile devices. The unit has a power connector and Ethernet, that's it....

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I am indeed! Thanks for setting me straight. In reading about both in their respective threads I do have a question.

It seems that Tivo may be licensing their software to run on an Apple TV device? Does anyone think that, if Apple were to open up an SDK for the Apple TV (3) that Tivo might have an app ready to roll out to purchasers that effectively makes an Apple TV perform as a Tivo Mini? I wouldn't mind paying a higher than average app price for that functionality!

They haven't said anything about Apple TV support at this point. (Or Roku support, in case anybody is wondering.)

For Tivo-to-AppleTV to work, customers would need a Stream to convert the video since it doesn't support MPEG2 natively. It's not elegant, but wouldn't be impossible either. In theory it could happen one day. But either way we'd need new hardware, and it won't likely happen in the short term.

I am indeed! Thanks for setting me straight. In reading about both in their respective threads I do have a question.

It seems that Tivo may be licensing their software to run on an Apple TV device? Does anyone think that, if Apple were to open up an SDK for the Apple TV (3) that Tivo might have an app ready to roll out to purchasers that effectively makes an Apple TV perform as a Tivo Mini? I wouldn't mind paying a higher than average app price for that functionality!

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It's always a possibility, and I'm sure TiVo would take a look at the Apple TV SDK if one were released, but at this time there are no indications of apps for Apple TV. Being an iOS developer myself, if Apple were to announce apps for Apple TV at next week's event, I think it would be a minimum of two months until apps would be available for download. Factoring in TiVo's development pace, I think a year would be a minimum reasonable timeframe for TiVo to release an app. While I would love an app over the Mini, it's just not going to happen anytime soon.

Will you be able to use it to watch shows from a TV say at my brother's house on the other side of town? Can you use it for any device hooked up to your TiVo account (and presumably the MAK key), or is it limited to what's on your local network?

The streaming only works locally. You can download (copy) pre-recorded stuff to your iDevice if it's not copy-protected and take it with you, but the streaming function is limited to your own local network.

I wonder why the TiVo Stream would have a TSN on it. Maybe they were planning on charging monthly for it at one point.

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TSNs are used to link TiVos on the same account and allow streaming. Since the Stream is essentially just pretending to be another TiVo on your network for the purposes of streaming it would make sense that they would require a TSN to properly trick the other TiVos into allowing them to initiate the stream.

Once it goes through the stream the file coming out the other side seems to be similar to a TiVoToGo recording requiring your account MAK to decrypt.

Should there be shipping status on this yet? I see 'order placed' on my account, but no shipping status or tracking number yet.

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Same here. The contest email said that orders could be placed until noon today for arrival on 9/5. I'm assuming (and hoping) that means that ALL orders will ship out today via overnight shipping for delivery tomorrow.

Should there be shipping status on this yet? I see 'order placed' on my account, but no shipping status or tracking number yet.

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Same for me... Were you an "actual winner" or did you just pre-order like a lot of us did?

After asking for my email address the CSR made a quick comment that my order would be shipped with general availability. I am sure they surpased the 600 pre order units (basically overnight shipping) very quickly and have been spinning to reconcile the list.

If an actual winner sees that his unit has shipped, that would prove my theory that they at least tried to make this work as planned!

Same here. The contest email said that orders could be placed until noon today for arrival on 9/5. I'm assuming (and hoping) that means that ALL orders will ship out today via overnight shipping for delivery tomorrow.

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To be fair to TiVo, they are only obligated to send the units for actual and true winners of the contest. I do not expect to get mine tomorrow - I am sure that is not what you meant by ALL. You indicated earlier in this thread that you also were not a contest winner.

To be fair to TiVo, they are only obligated to send the units for actual and true winners of the contest. I do not expect to get mine tomorrow - I am sure that is not what you meant by ALL. You indicated earlier in this thread that you also were not a contest winner.

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I think you're giving them too much credit. I don't think they really know who the "winners" are. My guess is that they will ship ALL the orders via overnight, or none via overnight. If they were concerned about non-winners placing orders, they would have included some kind of redemption code in the winner emails.

When I placed the order, the TiVo rep didn't ask me if I won. I just said I wanted to pre-order the stream, and she said that it would be delivered on 9/5. That sounds like an obligation to me. That doesn't mean I'm holding my breath.

Once it works with android it would be great to see if the android app will run on a GoogleTv. A $99 revue running the Tivo app + Tivo Stream seems like a much better setup than a Tivo Stream + a Tivo Mini. IMHO.

I think you're giving them too much credit. I don't think they really know who the "winners" are. My guess is that they will ship ALL the orders via overnight, or none via overnight. If they were concerned about non-winners placing orders, they would have included some kind of redemption code in the winner emails.

When I placed the order, the TiVo rep didn't ask me if I won. I just said I wanted to pre-order the stream, and she said that it would be delivered on 9/5. That sounds like an obligation to me. That doesn't mean I'm holding my breath.

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But does it mean that if you do not get yours delivered tomorrow that you will come on this forum complaining that TiVo didn't meet some obiligation?

I am not picking on "you" in particular - but I can just see this tempest brewing... I was pretty quick to get my order in - and for me in particular, they did ask me for my email address...

Does that mean they are going to check it against a winners list? I do not know, but if the competition got out of hand, TiVo could easily check registered account email address' against the winners list. That wouldn't be perfect, but it would get them closer then the wild-west situation they are in now.

We will have to wait and see - I suppose it really depends on how many pre-orders they received. Hundreds? Thousands? Makes a big difference.

Once it works with android it would be great to see if the android app will run on a GoogleTv. A $99 revue running the Tivo app + Tivo Stream seems like a much better setup than a Tivo Stream + a Tivo Mini. IMHO.

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Intersting thought Mike... Has anyone tried to install the current TiVo app on a GoogleTV yet?