We already had this scenario, FF plus INTERSECCION, in TAR10, leg 8. The beauty queens won the leg and the teams who intersected went after the FF (eating the cow lips) finished second and third.

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that both twist appears in a leg.

However in this scenario, as well as Season 11, the Intersection/Fast Forward was in conjunction where an intersected team competed for a Fast Forward. There was also 8 teams instead of the current 7 teams.

there would be an on location cameraman at the helicopter thing right??

so if the teams' film crew told the helicopter cameraman no team went for the FF, they could easily just have taken the intersection sign away before the teams arrive at the RB, and it would just look like a normal RB, right??but i have to agree this helicopter thing does scream out 'Intersection'

and the whole hay thing does scream out 'FF', Dave/Rachel and Joey/Danny have not been seen in ANY promos, except the fire dancing, which appears to be an equaliser because every team is there

if am putting my money on an FF and an Intersection, JMO

However, they would also have to re-word the clues as well.

You're right; but technically there's only six teams. Art & J.J. are out of the equation, because they already won the previous FF in Turin.That leaves only 1 team trying the FF and 5 (plus the border patrol agents) in the intersection. But all I'm saying is only a wild spec.

I think the Intersection is "gone with the wind" and not a good fit here, but you never know. Maybe it is just two at a time for timing or cost or something.

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I think the Intersection is "gone with the wind" and not a good fit here, but you never know. Maybe it is just two at a time for timing or cost or something.

Agree, Peach. But it's a funny game to spec in this wild way, including our wishes, only because we don't have any clue on the whereabouts of two teams and we're unable to get a positive identification on the person next to Bopper. We can apply Conan Doyle's quote, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"; but I am closer to my first post of today.

I'm going with the apples are stacked up in the car. There may be some rule with the apples stating that they have to remain stacked while searching through them (i.e. not spilled out on the roadway, etc)?? Nary seems very hesitant to open the door or do anything lol.

And it's weird (to me) that the Oil Detour is just simply named 'Oil'....what would be the name for the other Detour? Apples? Fruit?

There was a season where one team had won a Fast Forward with another team during an Intersection period, and then won an individual Fast Forward on a subsequent leg. (Oswald and Danny, season 11, legs 8 (Poland, during an intersection) and leg 10 (Hong Kong.)

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned (or I didn't see it in this leg.)

In any event, the show has never had an intersection with an odd number of teams; it would put a solo team at an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.

I'd be surprised if there's a second FF this soon if there is to be a second one this season.

As to the helicopter, er may not know why the helicopter shot is in the promos, but it did occur to me that teams might have had to ride in a helicopter before or after the helicopter task. Haven't they done something like that before? I can visualize it (Argentina or Brazil or Guam or Hawaii in an early season, perhaps?) but I don't have time right now to wade through to look. But I do remember something like that.

I think we probably have at least one active route marker task in here somewhere; and the possibility is that the waiting team member at a roadblock gets a helicopter ride. They've done that sort of thing already. And from the preview for the season, there's a hint of a helicopter ride on the last leg of the Race, IIRC, so I think the use of helicopters is quite deliberate, Peach. Just to throw that additional thought in.

I do not think it is fair if there is a Fastforward and an Intersection on the same leg. If we have two teams going after the Fastforward and one team waiting at the Intersection for the team there loses the battle for the Fastforward. For me if should be if you loses the battle for the Fastforward, then you have a lot of catch up to do. Not have one team waiting for you at the intersection, so you can battle with them not to get eliminated!!!!

We have NO proof for either a FF or an Intersection. ALL is spec only.

Although the FF fits the info we have:

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Two Teams hit the hay to see how well they stack up

And that neither Dave/Rachel OR Danny/Joey are seen after the Fire Tower.

The eliminated teams have been getting a fair bit of visibility in the promos up to now. It is odd to have a team we think may be eliminated have NO visibility at all. What I don't understand is why if J/D go for the (presumed) FF and can't do it...why don't we see them later doing a challenge? Are they so far behind that they don't even get to try the tasks? Do we have a in the field elim by Phil?? Does something ELSE happen?? If the time shadows would be so late that would give them away that would be one thing....but in the capsule shots would be time free.

And I do NOT believe there is an Intersection...fwiw.

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Intersection seems unlikely to me, although how amazingly funny would it be if the seventh-placed team gets to the Intersection, sees that there is nobody there waiting for them, and realises that they are forced to go complete the Fast Forward! That would be interesting, for sure!

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There was a season where one team had won a Fast Forward with another team during an Intersection period, and then won an individual Fast Forward on a subsequent leg. (Oswald and Danny, season 11, legs 8 (Poland, during an intersection) and leg 10 (Hong Kong.)

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned (or I didn't see it in this leg.)

In any event, the show has never had an intersection with an odd number of teams; it would put a solo team at an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.

I'd be surprised if there's a second FF this soon if there is to be a second one this season.

As to the helicopter, er may not know why the helicopter shot is in the promos, but it did occur to me that teams might have had to ride in a helicopter before or after the helicopter task. Haven't they done something like that before? I can visualize it (Argentina or Brazil or Guam or Hawaii in an early season, perhaps?) but I don't have time right now to wade through to look. But I do remember something like that.

I think we probably have at least one active route marker task in here somewhere; and the possibility is that the waiting team member at a roadblock gets a helicopter ride. They've done that sort of thing already. And from the preview for the season, there's a hint of a helicopter ride on the last leg of the Race, IIRC, so I think the use of helicopters is quite deliberate, Peach. Just to throw that additional thought in.

I remember two: they used helicopters to travel to three different buildings in the first leg of TAR9 in Sao Paulo, Brazil, to retrieve their next clue; and in TAR16, during the Seychelles leg, was the transportation to the location of both Detours.

There was a season where one team had won a Fast Forward with another team during an Intersection period, and then won an individual Fast Forward on a subsequent leg. (Oswald and Danny, season 11, legs 8 (Poland, during an intersection) and leg 10 (Hong Kong.)

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned (or I didn't see it in this leg.)

In any event, the show has never had an intersection with an odd number of teams; it would put a solo team at an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.

I'd be surprised if there's a second FF this soon if there is to be a second one this season.

As to the helicopter, er may not know why the helicopter shot is in the promos, but it did occur to me that teams might have had to ride in a helicopter before or after the helicopter task. Haven't they done something like that before? I can visualize it (Argentina or Brazil or Guam or Hawaii in an early season, perhaps?) but I don't have time right now to wade through to look. But I do remember something like that.

I think we probably have at least one active route marker task in here somewhere; and the possibility is that the waiting team member at a roadblock gets a helicopter ride. They've done that sort of thing already. And from the preview for the season, there's a hint of a helicopter ride on the last leg of the Race, IIRC, so I think the use of helicopters is quite deliberate, Peach. Just to throw that additional thought in.

I remember two: they used helicopters to travel to three different buildings in the first leg of TAR9 in Sao Paulo, Brazil, to retrieve their next clue; and in TAR16, during the Seychelles leg, was the transportation to the location of both Detours.

In Guam, teams ride helicopter as part of the Roadblock in TAR11, leg 12, which was - casually - a rescue operation.

CBS has sometimes played loose and fancy free with their wording in the past. Is it possible that the hay has something to do with the apple detour. Since horses typically eat both apples & hay. And searching for one apple in a car full of apples could be compared to searching for a needle in a haystack? And the apples do seem to be stacked up. Or maybe there is more to the detour than just finding the apple....Just a thought.

Here is some interesting information. The statement that the crude oil is reused struck me as odd, since this heavy crude is assumed to have no value as a hydrocarbon. The rationale must be that the cost of disposing of 45 gallons of crude oil for each patient is significant and outweighs any health risks. Here is an article on the subject:

A clinic in the town of Naftalan, 160 miles noth-west of Azerbaijan’s capital of Baku, has found a therapeutic use for its abundant quantities of crude oil.

Azerbaijan is one of the world’s leading oil exporters, and in the country’s western plains “black gold” has been seeping out of the ground for centuries. In fact, they have so much of the stuff, that in the town of Naftalan, they use the excess crude oil as a cure for various illnesses. It all goes down at the famous Naftalan Clinic, where people from all over the former Soviet Union and even from the Emirates and Europe come to treat various skin diseases, rheumatism, arthritis and even their nerves with crude oil. Doctors here say their miraculous oil therapy is used to trat up to 100 different conditions.

The most popular treatment at Naftalan is the crude oil bath. Patients lower their bodies into 35 gallons of crude oil, at a temperature of 40 degrees. Many of them say the warm oil relaxes their joints and they’d love to spend more than 10 minutes soaked in black oil, but since it contains almost 50% naphthalene, a hydrocarbon deemed potentially carcinogenic by EU regulations, longer sessions could be hazardous to their health. The clinic’s doctors claim millions of people have been treated at Naftalan over the years, and none of them have suffered any complications, as a result. Still, to be on the safe side they limit the sessions to 10 minutes, and no more than a bath per day, during a 10-day treatment.

According to dr. Alif Zulfugar, manager of the Naftalan Clinic, the oil used for therapeutic baths, known as Naftalan, is to heavy for industrial use, so it is only used for clinical purposes. It doesn’t get treated in any way, just loaded up in tankers and delivered to the clinic. Most of it is heated and poured into the basin for baths, but there are other treatments available, as well. The resin from the crude oil is extracted and painted on the patient’s limbs, helping the nervous and blood system and easing joint pain.

Even though the staff at Naftalan Clinic make sure patients are thoroughly cleaned after their baths, they all take a few drops of oil with them wherever they go, as their saturated skin oozes crude oil for a period of two-three days.

If I HAD to guess I would prob say RB last, but then I would have a 50% chance of being wrong.

I have been debating that the last hour, and changing my mind every 5 minutes!!

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