Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2019, 09:27:Generally, those crying "victim" are those like you. Which makes it hysterical that you get angry, claiming others do, but who on this board is more put upon than the straight white people? Any time anyone here claims to be attacked they're straight white people whining about video games...

Go to any topic here about "identity politics" and look for Cutter and Quinn (who is otherwise a great poster.) They're the ones, with several others, claiming something is being taken from them. No one else.

I'm nobody's "victim" nor am I "angry".You proffer your opinion as do I. However unlike you, I don't feel I am entitled to some sort of "special" dispensation or privileged to protect me from having my opinion challenged.You proffer your opinion, I disagree and challenge it.I proffer my opinion, you are free to challenge it.That is how it works. No "victim hood", no "anger" (except from those who can't stand their opinions challenged).However if it was left up to you and your fellow lefty cohorts, all those who fall outside of your "special" groups would be prevented from challenging any opinion of one of those "special" groups lest it be labeled "hate speech" which is clearly designed to suppress any opinions you don't like.(even if it contains clear statistical fact)You are free to express your opinions and I support that right whole heartedly however, I believe that is not a gratuity you would extend to me. You would rather I went away or was silenced.Not going to happen "bucko".Now your day is starting, mine is at an end.Time for bed.

Well done rioters.You've given the 2nd Amendment a real "shot in the arm" (no pun intended)Good luck getting gun reforms now morons.

Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 20:29:How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Didn't the Terminator movies teach you anything??A band of plucky humans smashed those metal MOFO's. LOL!!

However, when push comes to shove...Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.I bet know that the people of Hong Kong would like a Second Amendment right about now.They have been carrying signs about just that, waving US flags and singing the American National Anthem.It just occurred to me:Hong Kong protestors are more US patriotic than most participators on this website.

I'm not surprised you cite an 80s movie. You think you live in one, and your warped ideals on patriotism stem from them.

Well...That is about as desperate reach as I've seen. The movie reference was a jibe, a joke. Hence the "LOL" and the .Pathetic if that is all you got.

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2019, 07:24:You're certain you're not a boomer, clutching desperately at a society that has left you and your culture behind?

Are you sure about that?Not very realistic are you?I've been over this before with you.Your lefty "culture" is being politically defeated or denied ALL OVER THE WORLD.Take off your "rainbow" colored glasses and breath deep the reality that people are turning away from your "special" brand of cultural Marxism, identity politics, perpetual victim hood, thin-skinned offense taking, socialism and globalism etc. that looks like it comes straight from the pages of George Orwell in large numbers all over the world. Yet you still seem to think that you have "us" covered. On October 21st we'll see if Trudeau survives. (doubtful but, possible)On October 31st the UK WILL leave the EU. They have just signed the documents that remove the effectiveness of EU law upon the UK.

And..I fully believe that Trump will be returned to office in 2020. (no guarantees. My opinion)Love how quickly the MSM and Democrats have dropped the Mueller nothing burger.

Generally, those crying "victim" are those like you. Which makes it hysterical that you get angry, claiming others do, but who on this board is more put upon than the straight white people? Any time anyone here claims to be attacked they're straight white people whining about video games...

Go to any topic here about "identity politics" and look for Cutter and Quinn (who is otherwise a great poster.) They're the ones, with several others, claiming something is being taken from them. No one else.

Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 20:29:How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Didn't the Terminator movies teach you anything??A band of plucky humans smashed those metal MOFO's. LOL!!

However, when push comes to shove...Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.I bet know that the people of Hong Kong would like a Second Amendment right about now.They have been carrying signs about just that, waving US flags and singing the American National Anthem.It just occurred to me:Hong Kong protestors are more US patriotic than most participators on this website.

I'm not surprised you cite an 80s movie. You think you live in one, and your warped ideals on patriotism stem from them.

Well...That is about as desperate reach as I've seen. The movie reference was a jibe, a joke. Hence the "LOL" and the .Pathetic if that is all you got.

Beamer wrote on Aug 19, 2019, 07:24:You're certain you're not a boomer, clutching desperately at a society that has left you and your culture behind?

Are you sure about that?Not very realistic are you?I've been over this before with you.Your lefty "culture" is being politically defeated or denied ALL OVER THE WORLD.Take off your "rainbow" colored glasses and breath deep the reality that people are turning away from your "special" brand of cultural Marxism, identity politics, perpetual victim hood, thin-skinned offense taking, socialism and globalism etc. that looks like it comes straight from the pages of George Orwell in large numbers all over the world. Yet you still seem to think that you have "us" covered. On October 21st we'll see if Trudeau survives. (doubtful but, possible)On October 31st the UK WILL leave the EU. They have just signed the documents that remove the effectiveness of EU law upon the UK.

And..I fully believe that Trump will be returned to office in 2020. (no guarantees. My opinion)Love how quickly the MSM and Democrats have dropped the Mueller nothing burger.

Well done rioters.You've given the 2nd Amendment a real "shot in the arm" (no pun intended)Good luck getting gun reforms now morons.

If anyone here thinks the 2nd Amendment protects them from the government then they are a complete idiot.2A can't even protect a high school, church or Walmart.Gun nuts are just that, nuts.

“The time has come for us to move beyond seeing public health as the ax in the display case, where the sign says IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, BREAK GLASS.”Pandemics don’t end because the economy is suffering and we want them to.

Trainwreck wrote on Aug 19, 2019, 05:46:I’m loving the 2nd Amendment clowns in here: ‘guns protect us from the tyranny of our own government!’

You mean like when the gun owners protected the Japanese-American from being roundup in concentration camps?

Or when they prevented the government from separating children from parents at the border and stuffing them into overcrowded cages?

Or when they prevented authorities from snatching land from Native Americans so private corporations could bulldoze it and place an oil pipeline there?

Where were they when the PATRIOT ACT was passed or when we decided on an ill-advised and illegal invasion of Iraq?

Oh that’s right...the gun crowd consistently side’s WITH authoritarian decisions! Could it be that they are, in fact, the ‘fascist bootlickers’ they accuse others of being?

Amazing how there is a consistent theme in each one of your examples: A government action that didn't necessary have popular support. By the way, both parties have been guilty of these things, you know. Right?

So, bright guy...who would stop that government action, if not the people? Are you saying all of the gun owners should have stood up and defended those others? Or let me guess, wave a bunch of protest signs instead?

Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 20:29:How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Didn't the Terminator movies teach you anything??A band of plucky humans smashed those metal MOFO's. LOL!!

However, when push comes to shove...Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.I bet know that the people of Hong Kong would like a Second Amendment right about now.They have been carrying signs about just that, waving US flags and singing the American National Anthem.It just occurred to me:Hong Kong protestors are more US patriotic than most participators on this website.

I'm not surprised you cite an 80s movie. You think you live in one, and your warped ideals on patriotism stem from them.

You're certain you're not a boomer, clutching desperately at a society that has left you and your culture behind?

jdreyer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 23:59:If Hong Kong had a second amendment, PLAN would have used it as an excuse to invade and quell an "armed insurgency." As long as the uprising stays non-violent and unarmed, they have the support of the rest of the world, and Xi can't use force without setting China-world relations back 20 years.

And I would agree.Despite the fact that I have a full understanding of why the Second Amendment is important(at least in the USA) I am no fan of guns (never owned one) or physical violence in any form. (never started a fight in my life. Finished a couple though. Not proud of that. had no choice)However, like I said, Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.If the Chinese Government decides "Damn the Torpedoes" I (personally) would like my chances better if I had a gun than without.The Chinese police have already been smacking into 'em.

Now that I think of it:It seems like a fair trade..1.4 Million disgruntled US left wing communists for 1.4 Million Hong Kong based US patriots.I'm sure those Portland pANTIFA (always in a bunch) would be much happier under communist rule in China.

Well done rioters.You've given the 2nd Amendment a real "shot in the arm" (no pun intended)Good luck getting gun reforms now morons.

Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 20:29:How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Didn't the Terminator movies teach you anything??A band of plucky humans smashed those metal MOFO's. LOL!!

However, when push comes to shove...Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.I bet know that the people of Hong Kong would like a Second Amendment right about now.They have been carrying signs about just that, waving US flags and singing the American National Anthem.It just occurred to me:Hong Kong protestors are more US patriotic than most participators on this website.

If Hong Kong had a second amendment, PLAN would have used it as an excuse to invade and quell an "armed insurgency." As long as the uprising stays non-violent and unarmed, they have the support of the rest of the world, and Xi can't use force without setting China-world relations back 20 years.

"The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov

Do various political groups try to hijack the cult-ure in order to trend, pull the Overton window towards them and reach a wider audience? Yes

It's pretty much the name of the game nowadays, but does it justify messages crafted to foster hate and anger? No

It's not really the logistical methods used that are the problem, but the ensuing hate and anger as I don't mind groups using the same logistical methods to pass on messages crafted to foster compassion, understanding and the protection of one's free will while respecting the free will of others ( true freedom ).

I'm not saying that the ends justify the means only in some cases, but in the current context until we can get even the most vulnerable persons to propaganda to have the automatic reflex to think by themselves in a critical and logical manner, that's the situation we're stuck with.

Reintegrating the Trivium in schools at the youngest possible age and teaching them to avoid cognitive biases and sophisms/logical fallacies would give everyone very good basic tools, possibly even enough that propaganda would become mostly futile.

I doubt it'll happen as it would also cripple our own propaganda's effect on our own populace. Imagine everyone putting into question their own cult-ure at the youngest possible age... This is the kind of stuff that leads to instability, protests, drastic change, if not simply revolutions. It's part of the reason why it was banned from most curriculums ( except those that were deemed exclusive to the upper class, medecine and law ) in the early 20th century, under Woodrow Wilson if I remember well.

Sadly, we can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we keep the populace vulnerable to propaganda and we preserve the status quo/predictability, or we inoculate them and get ready for a period of instability that will undoubtedly lead to real and unpredictable change.

Beamer wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 20:29:How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Didn't the Terminator movies teach you anything??A band of plucky humans smashed those metal MOFO's. LOL!!

However, when push comes to shove...Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.I bet know that the people of Hong Kong would like a Second Amendment right about now.They have been carrying signs about just that, waving US flags and singing the American National Anthem.It just occurred to me:Hong Kong protestors are more US patriotic than most participators on this website.

Well done rioters.You've given the 2nd Amendment a real "shot in the arm" (no pun intended)Good luck getting gun reforms now morons.

Drath71 wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 18:42:My point is, apparently only one point of view on such matters is acceptable now, and shocker...the media are in full agreement. And if you disagree on that point of view, you are alt-right, fringe, right wing, whatever.Great. No problem at all.

Well didn't you know if you don't agree with the liberal agenda that the only sexists, bigots and racists on the planet are white men than you're worse than Hitler? Apparently every other person on planet Earth are out there holding hands and singing "It's a small world after all".

Schroeder isn't worried about white male youth themselves, she said, calling this generation "the most open-hearted potentially kindest critical thinking loving group of boys that I've ever seen," she said.

What planet does this broad live on? Today's youth are the most shallow and selfish generation there's ever been. I'd say for every one kid who you'd call intelligent, educated, and caring there are at least a 1000 who aren't. Shit like social media, reality TV and the Kardashians are living proof of that. Christ, they're so lazy they can't even be bothered to play video games they have to watch other people do that.

That about covers it for me.

If you genuinely think the president is a "Super-Hitler"and that his cabinet members are "Triple-Nazi's"and you STILL want to remove the 2nd Amendment....I don't know what to tell you. Your not that smart.

How does the second amendment protect me from predator drones, stealth bombers, and the world's largest army in APCs?

Drath71 wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 18:42:My point is, apparently only one point of view on such matters is acceptable now, and shocker...the media are in full agreement. And if you disagree on that point of view, you are alt-right, fringe, right wing, whatever.Great. No problem at all.

Well didn't you know if you don't agree with the liberal agenda that the only sexists, bigots and racists on the planet are white men than you're worse than Hitler? Apparently every other person on planet Earth are out there holding hands and singing "It's a small world after all".

Schroeder isn't worried about white male youth themselves, she said, calling this generation "the most open-hearted potentially kindest critical thinking loving group of boys that I've ever seen," she said.

What planet does this broad live on? Today's youth are the most shallow and selfish generation there's ever been. I'd say for every one kid who you'd call intelligent, educated, and caring there are at least a 1000 who aren't. Shit like social media, reality TV and the Kardashians are living proof of that. Christ, they're so lazy they can't even be bothered to play video games they have to watch other people do that.

"Well, he’s not a villain Summer, but he shouldn’t be your hero. He’s more like a demon, or a super fucked up god." - Morty Smith

My point is, apparently only one point of view on such matters is acceptable now, and shocker...the media are in full agreement. And if you disagree on that point of view, you are alt-right, fringe, right wing, whatever.Great. No problem at all.

"One of my kids said: If you can be trans and just decide what you are then how come you can't just decide to be a penguin?"

Hey at least he has the excuse of being a kid. We've got people right here on this site that use that reasoning who are allegedly adults.

allegedly

“The time has come for us to move beyond seeing public health as the ax in the display case, where the sign says IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, BREAK GLASS.”Pandemics don’t end because the economy is suffering and we want them to.

jacobvandy wrote on Aug 18, 2019, 15:54:Lost me at "memes are alt-right/white supremacist propaganda." Get a grip, lady.

Nowhere does it say that. However, it's impossible to deny that the alt right does much of it's communication and recruitment via memes. Only a fraction of memes fit that, undoubtedly less than a fraction of a percent, but a significant amount of their recruitment is in meme form. It's an easy way to share their ideals.