What I'm trying to say is that traits in humans were existant even 20 and 30 million years ago, in our ancestors. Obviously the nearer you get in
time to the present, the more they will resemble sapiens, obviously.
A chimp of 5 million years ago is a lot different to a present day chimp, or a chimp of 5 million years time.
Using tools is still a big evolutionary step.

Let me try to correct some of the wild statements that have been made so far on this thread.
Here is what the article said about the find:

Stone tools found at the bottom level of the cave — believed to be 2 million years old — show that human ancestors were in the cave earlier
than ever thought before. Geological evidence indicates that these tools were left in the cave and not washed into the site from the outside world.
....

The combination of stone tools indicating the presence of human ancestors and the dating of the level leads to the conclusion that human ancestors
(hominids) were in the cave 2 million years ago. This is the earliest evidence for intentional cave occupation by human ancestors.

The article does NOT indicate finding any fossils, only tools.

Now, the information in this article does NOT push back the date to which we have found early fossils, believed to be ancestors of modern man:

The Eastern African specimen: Homo habilis represents a pivotal phase in hominid evolution. Scientists have marked habilis as the beginning of
the Homo line, where hominids are recognized as breaking off from the australopithecine classification. A large part in making the determination of
where the beginning of the Homo line were to take place had much to do with the level of encephalization taking place in H. habilis, as it is with
habilis that we begin to see strong movements toward a modern brain size. Homo habilis broke through into science in the early 1960's with the
discovery of the OH 7 (the habilis type specimen) fossil at Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania by Louis Leakey and collegues. The existence of Homo habilis is
currently dated to between 1.9 and 1.6 million years.

AL 666-1 Maxilla

~Found by William Kimball at Hadar

~Dated to 2.3 million years

Again, in the article:

There were a number of species of hominids in southern Africat 2 million years ago. The most likely candidate as the manufacturer of the stone
tools found at Wonderwerk is Homo habilis. The oldest known stone tools from sites in Ethiopia date to 2.4 million years. The Wonderwerk Cave
discoveries are those close in age to the very earliest known stone tools and similar in date to the bottom levels at Olduvai Gorge.

Now, how did they draw the conclusion that the site was probably the dwelling of Homo habilis?
In this source: www.ecotao.com...
we read:

The main features of the transition from Australopithecines to H. habilis are the use of tools and an enlarged braincase (700cc) (Avers, 1989)
(600 to 750 cc (Gore, 1997)). H. habilis could walk upright like modern humans, but could probably also climb trees to sleep, feed or escape
predators. Their hand and foot had a combination of ancient and modern features, expected from an early ancestor. By the time that H. habilis arose,
the foot still fell somewhere between that of a man and gorilla in its weight-bearing capabilities! Even the anklebone suggests their walking differed
from the human striding gait. The robust lower legbones, the tibia and fibula showed that the adaptation to bipedalism was even less specialised at
the knee joint. This bipedal, plantigrade primate thus had a different gait to modern humans, but not necessarily less efficient, and perhaps
superior (see details on the australopithecine hip [2]). An adult female fossil representative of this species stood only 90 cm high, with hands
hanging over the knees as in apes! These features of H. habilis are almost identical to those of A. afarensis , showing here that the primitive
apelike characteristics served well in the niche of this creature in nature for a very long time.

Thus, since current thinking is that H. habilis was the first tool maker, the conclusion of H. habilis follows.

I should point out that the debate still rages as to whether H. erectus is a direct descendant Homo Habilis, or as some now believe, that both
species co-existed, and descended from a common ancestor.

What I have tried to do, is present current thought on the ancestry of man,without regard to anomalous objects found or any other alternate theories.
Nowhere have there been any reputable finds of fossils that indicate man goes back 20 million years. That does not mean it is not possible, but based
upon the finds to date, such statements would be wild speculation, without reputable scientific or archeological evidence.

Let's not forget this is AFRICA we're talking about! If Britain never colonized the damn place chances are high it would still look the way it did
2mil years ago. I find it easy to believe AFRICANS could have lived there for a million + years without showing much improvement. I'm seriously not
trying to be mean it's just how it is.

I have heard we found a leather pouch that contained arrowheads "Cherokee" - that was found in a 300K year old Coal seam in West Va. I didnt know
the cherokee made it that far north... I'm from the 3 corners area... Tenn. Ga. N.Carolina... area. and well that sort of blows the doors off the
theory that we came from Asia 10K years ago ...

you know, the bible uses the term "Re-Plentish" so, maybe life is as old as earth. lord knows what we will find... a few years ago we found an
ancient computer "Greek" I think... but this is just a Zodiak calculator that only tracked 5 planets... > 5 Planets.... and we have the Myans who
just vanished.... several civilizations that just seem to disappear ... throughout history... I wonder if we are being harvested ... ?

Originally posted by BornPatriot
Wow - 2 million year old artefacts...

I have heard we found a leather pouch that contained arrowheads "Cherokee" - that was found in a 300K year old Coal seam in West Va. I didnt know
the cherokee made it that far north... I'm from the 3 corners area... Tenn. Ga. N.Carolina... area. and well that sort of blows the doors off the
theory that we came from Asia 10K years ago ...

Arrowheads found 300k ago would be a greater find than a M16 found in King Tuts tomb.

I've read the bible cover to cover and it doesn't mention anywhere the actual age of the Earth or mankind. The bible is a religious history book and
an outline of how one should live their daily life. It is not a scientific textbook. But thanks for the being the token anti-religious idiot in the
thread!

I've read the bible cover to cover and it doesn't mention anywhere the actual age of the Earth or mankind. The bible is a religious history book and
an outline of how one should live their daily life. It is not a scientific textbook. But thanks for the being the token anti-religious idiot in the
thread!

according to the bible modern "civilized upright thinking man" is 6000 years old....the earth millions of years old. things were here looong before
"civilized man" was put here. so no the bible doesnt say the "earth" is 6000 years old....but that "civilized man" is 6000 years old.

Originally posted by evo190
Let's not forget this is AFRICA we're talking about! If Britain never colonized the damn place chances are high it would still look the way it did
2mil years ago. I find it easy to believe AFRICANS could have lived there for a million + years without showing much improvement. I'm seriously not
trying to be mean it's just how it is.

2 000 000 year old find? I dunno... And these hominids are supposed to have had fire and tools? The time line would make it an australopith. Basically
a more hominid chimpanzee. But those didn't use tools and fire.
The 400 000 year old bushmen artefacts are another more realistic matter.

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