Lizzy Hideho Taylor I do want to apologise to members that do not like to see this kind of thread added to a page where we try so hard to focus on the Police Files and important information.

Unfortunately, 'behind the scenes' there is a lot of paranoia and disruption that keeps many of us using important time attempting to address and deal with.

Rifts are being formed and it is often based on ego. WHY? Aren't we all here for one reason?

Lets forget all the personal issues and ALL WORK TOGETHER!!

I urge anyone out there that consider themselves a separate 'entity' in all this. PLEASE FOCUS ON MADELEINE!

I have no animosity towards anyone, which often gets me into trouble, and I will willingly communicate with anyone that has issues with me.

Am I being naive to hope that all this silliness can stop and we can all work together, independently but with ONE focus?

In a case that involves thousands and thousands of people with different personalities who's only connection is a computer and Madeleine, the law of averages means we will have that portion of society that need the attention and create disruption to be noticed. They have no interest in Madeleine and we try to eliminate their disruptive posts for the benefit of other members that take this case seriously.

However, when ADMIN of different groups/forums/blogs attempt to discredit others it has a far bigger impact.

I am proud of this group and the admin that give their time VOLUNTARILY to focus on helping members learn the truth about what happens and when someone, who should know better, comes along and attempts to discredit me by an absolutely false suggestion that I receive money for my videos!!

I find that disgusting and the motivation as to why this suggestion has been made leaves me questioning whether Madeleine is their focus or whether it is an effort to attack my credibility in the hope that members of HDH will question my motives and lose trust in me and subsequently the group, and ultimately the search for the truth about Madeleine will be jeopardized

I promise EVERYONE that I have ONE focus....the same as I believe everyone here has.

We want to help inform and learn about the details that may help to one day find Madeleine.

Sadly, she is likely not alive, but although, unlike many, I don't care about her parents or what happens to them, I am focused on the day when FINALLY the world will learn the truth and Madeleine can be laid to rest with the WORLD watching and her family and everyone else can finally grieve a little girl that deserves the DIGNITY she has so far, not received!

Frances Gallagher To reiterate my hubby is most certainly not a cop. The PRIVATE message related to another nasty blogger who was targeting terminally ill female members. The PRIVATE messages were a brainstorming session to stop said blogger. To the best of my knnwledge the blogger in question ceased when ignored. Chris Stedman aka James A is adopting similar tactics. Hideho loses out financially with each video she produces. Please pm with any further queries. Will be only to happy to reply. I am here for Maddie

Anonymous21 December 2013 12:25:00 GMTLizzy is a crackpot,Francis is full of shit,David steels a nob,everyone is a sock or muppet.If you dare question hideho you are shot down and abused,i was a former member and was thrown off for calling them trolls and takes.Dizzy fekcing lizzy removed me from the group,then put a screen shot of my post on her other Site.Then started to follow my facebook,i am not a pro Mccann in any way i have a real facebook and i am a real person and i own what i say ,i don't hide behind fake accounts unlike half of hideho

Lizzy i am sure you know WHO this is,so Why don't you take a screen shot and stick it up your're arse

Frances Gallagher Thanks Joy Sharman xx Teresa Leah Redmond I would prefer to hear what you have to say than be told what is being said behind my back .I respect you for that. I would just answer that if information was obtained illicitly our PM exposer would have exposed this information. .Again. .I have never used police computers to check on members in this group or any other .,nor would I do so. If I had I am quite sure the disruptors would have evidence. I personally prefer to stay away from those types and concentrate in hand.type of discussions are designed to focus on what is really not important but I will continue to reassure you that you are safe here .We in admin are a very strong team and there is absolutely no chance of a coup ..So you are stuck with us. .And for the record hubby most definitely is not a policeman

Oh yeah and what is this?

Frances GallagherIf I get his real name and date of birth I can get T*m to check him out on the polce pc [ = POLICE COMPUTER!]We saw it ..,.wasn't exactly prosperous

Anonymous21 December 2013 12:25:00 GMTLizzy is a crackpot,Francis is full of shit,David steels a nob,everyone is a sock or muppet.If you dare question hideho you are shot down and abused,i was a former member and was thrown off for calling them trolls and takes.Dizzy fekcing lizzy removed me from the group,then put a screen shot of my post on her other Site.Then started to follow my facebook,i am not a pro Mccann in any way i have a real facebook and i am a real person and i own what i say ,i don't hide behind fake accounts unlike half of hideho

Lizzy i am sure you know WHO this is,so Why don't you take a screen shot and stick it up your're arse

Lapieinsky22 December 2013 01:13:00 GMThttps://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoCONTROVERSYofMadeleineMcCann/permalink/258864430936720/ - this is the full, exact link, the thread is still on and I see that some members typically jump to Frances' defense with 'cliché' comments. Anyone, ask ME personally by email! I repeat, Iapieinsky@live.co.uk . By the way did you, Reader, notice that Frances, that after her quick denial of the facts on that thread, has dropped off from it? Perhaps Frances GALLAGHER could come to comment here and then we could discuss what she DID write in her private messages, that I SAW and copied, and which is, on this blog post, confirmed by James?

James, to back-up your claims, please provide a screen-capture of this PM you personally received from Frances, about this access to a police computer?

-- I just find it too convenient for some people to brush such FACTS off their shoulders under the pretense that it would be "off topic", "it is NOT about Madeleine" whereas their ADMIN & cohort PAY for in-depth personal information, use detectives and even POLICE COMPUTERS to fuel lengthy private conversations, and then one of their "leaders" makes a point to distribute her own "log on" details, SO THAT others can read what her and darling friends think about them and Others, and SEE what means they use -- and NOT about "anti mcccanns" or David Payne or the likes, but precisely, about people who are, or so they think, on the same side as them.Besides, this wasn't exactly an efficient use of their time in their "fight for the truth in the Madeleine case", was it? Hours spent in girly chats about members and other Truth Seekers, rather than focusing on the case...So Frances, go on. say it here, since you've admitted TWICE to use a POLICE COMPUTER, say it all -- or do you want it ALL exposed on another blog? Your choice. I have choices too, for I don't like your lying, stupid ways. Face up to it - before it gets worse. Christmas or not! EXPLAIN Tom, the police computer, the telephone... Click the 'Reply' button here and write Frances Gallagher as a Name -- and don't try to DENY or fill us up with "pork pies", thank you - well, for your OWN sake.

-- This is NOT "just a small detail", Frances. If you used that POLICE COMPUTER to search on ME and my Family, my KIDS, I am entitled to KNOW, and so are many Others! And you DID, for some People. WE ALL NEED to know MORE on how you did it, to WHOM, and with what "permissions",to what purpose, etc., Eh? Is this legal?? So, TELL US, a FULL report please:

blondie wrote:After a while, Gonçalo appeared driving the same car, and again in a notorious state of drunkenness. Having asked him for Inês Sofia, he ordered me to go inside the house, where he insulted me and threatened me of death.

Good grief! I have not seen this before.

It is disgraceful that this drunken and callous man is being financed to defend his libel case by pensioners while he was squandering his not inconsiderable salary by Portuguese standards[ taking into account their lower cost of living]

With all the toing and froing re what you can or cannot access on the police database, I emailed a friend of my father's who is a retired senior policeman and this is his reply (edited to remove some personal details).

"The answer to your question is that PNC isn't just a computer terminal. They don't just type in a name and get the gossip on there. They formally log in with their ID, they have to give their reasons for wanting to access information which have to be valid and legal. The temptation to log in when you've been cut up by a dangerous driver on a roundabout while off duty is huge, but it's not possible, personal annoyance isn't a valid reason to access driver details. Even a copper can't do it, he/she has to take the registration and then report it like anyone else, then a second copper can access the info . Police officers can't just look random people up on the PNC database."

I think that says it all. Mind you, the claims made by pseudo cops, doctors and other 'experts' are quite bizarre and often extremely funny.

Lizzy Hideho Taylor I have written a post in support of Frances and the lies and out of context things that she has been accused of....I have been told to sit on my hands...Frances doesn't want this to overshadow why we are here.

She has expressed her willingness to answer any questions via PM so rather than believe the lies you may want to think about hearing the truth first...

I am going to include here, the last line of my post that I wont be adding (at Frances request) .........

So, PLEASE, if you are someone that has issues with Frances, please know that you are ALSO attacking myself, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS GROUP, and ultimately MADELEINE!

Gwen James Re: "amaral has suffered greatly because of the Mccanns" -you could argue they have suffered greatly because of his botched investigation.

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Lizzy Hideho Taylor Gwen, you may or may not be aware that one of the 'guidelines' of this group is that we support Goncalo Amaral and the PJ and do not allow negative comments. Many may not agree with me. It is my PERSONAL choice to ask ALL members to respect Mr Amaral and the PJ. I can compromise on some issues but I will not be compromising on anything negative towards Goncalo Amaral or the lies told about the PORTUGUESE POLICE.4 minutes ago · 2

Pamela Longhurst Thank you Lizzie, we were getting nowhere!about a minute ago

Gwen James I could go on all day about the holes in these facts, it's all fantastic speculation about the parents in the absence of what actually happened. I get it that if you don't follow suit you are ridiculed and belittled on here. Ashworths finest residents could not dream up the pure psychopathy of this should the parents be guilty all along and that is where I start my doubt over there theories.

Kathy Belle I think you should tell the truth Gwen, you maybe here in an official capacity, but as a member of Team McCann. Anyone with half a brain can see what you're about. You don't give a stuff about little Madeleine, you only give a stuff about her parents. What is your next step Gwen? Are you going to run to the McCanns and name all the people on here, who are speaking out against them? If that's your plan, then you're wasting your time, anything we say, has come from the official files. Anything you've said has come from tacky British Tabloids. I used to belong to a forum, where a staunch fan of the McCanns was also a member. She said that she was going to send every post, where criticisms of the McCanns were made, to Carter Ruck. If she did nothing happened, because it was a few years ago.12 minutes ago · 6

Lisa Edington Kathy, I think you may be on the right track here, and like you, I don't say anything that is not contained in the files and a admin work tirelessly on this page to keep things that way! Name and shame me, as I carry no shame, just a search for justice!

Lizzy Hideho TaylorSuggestions I copied threads from the other Controversy group for some sinister reason like eg. taking members or checking their details, are completely false. I only want applications from members that choose to join us. I have never had a concern about 'numbers'. Quality posts about the Police Files and visitors that join us every day are what is important.

I am not sure why there appears to be paranoia about copying a few OPEN TO VIEW threads to what should have been a 'private' portion of the Ref forum. As admin, its not unusual to read other groups posts.

I am at a loss as to why this is such a major event. Would it not have been simpler to contact me and ask? If it was troublesome I would have willingly removed, as I have now. It's no big deal.

Different however to when the admin FREELY posted my personal comments in a lengthy CONFIDENTIAL admin chat! (during my time as admin of that group before their TAKING the group from me in August.) Thats OK to do is it?

Although disgusted by what was done, I did not create any problems even though I was MORE than justified.

I apologise if the thread (which was open to view by everyone anyway) created a mistaken paranoia. I have always treated other people/groups with respect, why do I get accusations that are based on very little?

If anyone has any issues they are more than welcome to PM me instead of making a mountain out of a molehill.

Please feel free to give the other group this information/post. I was blocked and removed when they 'returned' a few weeks ago so am unable to respond.

As usual, this post is not intended to give everyone an opportunity to create divisiveness. I am merely responding to accusations that leave me wondering where this is all coming from and WHY?...