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For those of you who are always crying that the media is leftist, I would say this article disputes that. To call him an "abortion provider" in the article about his funeral is rather inciderary, at least to me, especially in the first sentence. In such an article, I think that such descriptions should be softened, if only out of respect for his family and friends. In an article about who he was and what he did and why he was killed, fine. But in an article announcing his funeral, I found it rather "in your face".

BrianR...to think he only killed sick babies or babies that were a so-called "imminent" threat to their mothers is rather naive. Not to mention the quote that you quoted didn't state that they were "healthy" only that "he killed 60,000 children".

Regardless of your position on this matter, you should not rejoice in a man's murder. And you certainly shouldn't be proclaiming how GOD knows what he did...in the same sentence in which you're passing judgement. The hypocricy of so called "good christians" or whatever is unbearable sometimes.

I have less of a problem calling him an abortion provider than the fact that he was slain. He provided a controversial. though legal, service to woman even in the face of opposition and death threats. He did what he thought was right and the mothers of 60,000 babies where provide safe medical procedures.

Just because some of us are pro-choice, that does not mean we are pro-abortion. We are pro safe and legal abortions until society can figure out that making abortions illigal does not prevent abortions. They just make them illegal and unsafe. Until those who are anti abortion are able to get some ground with ideas like being pro reasonable adoptions in the United States, pro birth control and safe sex education, and anti dead beat parents who create babies and abondon them, then all arguements for and against abortion are fruitless.

An excellent article, Nancy. And it demonstrates quite well how fricking sick all you are for cheering the death of an extremely talented and skilled physician. His death means that hundreds of not thousands of women whose pregnancies will kill or seriously injure them now have lost the only chance they had at obtaining the care that could save them.

Marion - he was a medical doctor. In announcing his funeral, they could have simply stated that or the he was a doctor of women's health. If they needed to throw in the fact that he provided abortions, they could have put it another paragraph, towards the end of the article, instead of using it as an introduction. Something along the lines of "Dr. Tiller was a controversial doctor that ran a women's clinic in Wichita that provided late-term abortions."

I stand by what I posted on Sunday, shortly after the news broke. I said that Tiller being killed was just as wrong as the late-term abortions he performed. It remains true that all Roeder has accomplished is one more murder. So, having made my position clear on Tiller's murder being wrong, now for the other side....
My last two living children were born at 34 weeks, and 36 weeks. My older one would have fallen into the category of babies with anomalies, as he is profoundly autistic. There is currently no way to know if a child has this particular "anomaly" prior to their birth. My point here is that Tiller would have gladly provided his "services", IF I had known, and IF I had been arrogant enough to think I had the right to have him killed just because he is severely impaired, and will never live what WE think is a normal life.
I would never, ever have even considered it, even if I knew then what life would be like now. You see, that would have made me a murderer, just as much as Tiller, just as much as Roeder.
The more posts and articles I have read on this, the angrier I become, and the more grief I feel. Yes, I believe in peaceful means of protest only, and I believe it was murder to kill Tiller. That being said, who is holding vigils for all the babies he murdered, dammit??
Oh, Brian R. , you did say there were nutjobs all over the internet, claiming Tiller aborted "X" number of perfectly healthy babies. Stating Tiller aborted "X" number of healthy babies does NOT mean they were ALL healthy.
But guess what-to me it does not matter.
Yes, the laws of Ks will prosecute Tiller's killer, and so they should. So, who is prosecuting Tiller? The Ultimate Judge, that's Who! (Notice I did not say myself or any other prolifer.)
I can't take any more of this lop-sided sympathy for Tiller. If you think all prolifers are applauding Tiller's murder, you are wrong! If you think all prolifers advocate violence, you are wrong! If most of you think we are all nutjobs for thinking the aborted babies were victims too, then bring on the label! I'll wear it proudly.

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Killing an unarmed man in church is not justice, whatever he has done**. However, one cannot argue that Tiller's position and chosen profession were not factors in his murder.

The theological point is that there are a number of self-proclaimed Christians who express blind hatred for the man himself. Christians simply cannot harbor that kind of hatred in ourselves and expect to be unchanged by it.

There is a temptation to revel in hatred, especially when it sits so close to justice, and especially when we have our peers on our side. It is easy to hate Hitler, and no one will criticize us for it because of his evil. But does our hatred become good because it is directed at a person who crossed some undemarcated threshold of evil? What about our hatred of someone who did a little less evil? At what point does our hatred of others reveal itself not as justice, but as a self-righteousness-fueled flaw in our own character? Only when it gets past Bush or Obama or FDR or our boss and gets down to Mother Theresa?

If we examine ourselves, not only will we find we inhabit a spot somewhere between Mother Theresa and Lincoln, between Saint John Chrysostom and Nero, but we will find a person who does evil and yet whom we do not hate. In fact, we love ourselves. And we are called on to love our neighbor, and that includes George Tiller, as we love ourselves.

And that must change our perspective a bit, not on hating sin, but perhaps upon wishing to visit nasty things on Tiller's corpse:

Forgiveness, they say, is the most hateful and contemptible of all virtues, because it so often seems to fly in the face of justice. We Christians are called on to forgive others as we would be forgiven, even when those others are contemptible and despicable. It's not that it's too high a virtue, but too low of one***. Now, either Tiller has done nothing to us that needs to be forgiven (in which case we have no just cause for animosity) or we, as individual Christians wronged by him, need to forgive him. We cannot hate him nor revel in hatred. "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against us." There are no other terms under which we can expect forgiveness for our own sins. It does not mean that we cannot punish evil or that we must say Tiller was a fine chap, it simply means we need to let go of that part of us that demands to get even. God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, and neither should we.

The second, which seems a fellow-traveler with the first, is reveling in vigilantism. One simply cannot have a society that allows individuals to mete out fatal punishment based on their own conclusions, knowledge, desires, feelings and morality. It's not just that it's a bad idea, but such a society cannot long exist in peace. The examples are myriad, but the one closest to me presently* is Bleeding Kansas and the Western front of the Civil War.

Finally, I suppose one thing needs to be added. George Tiller committed a lot of evil acts. But he committed them on behalf of others. A lot of others. Members of our familes, and our churches. People we know and love. And forgive. America is not so much better off with George Tiller dead as it will be on the day all of our nation's George Tillers are seeking unemployment benefits because no one wants their services. The real problem does not lie in our courts or even in our abortion clinics: it lies in our hearts.

For those who think that he needed killing, why didn't you do it yourselves?
** The "whatever he has done" is a funny thing, because the left, to pump up the moral outrage, is forced to say that plunging a pair of scissors into the head of a newborn is a morally neutral (at worst) or morally praiseworthy (at best) act. One cannot say, "I personally disagree with abortion..." (with all the pablum that follows) and yet conclude that one who performs them, especially as Tiller did, is virtuous.

*** Try telling someone you have forgiven Hitler and see what I mean.

**** I don't think they are, but I'm willing to grant the point for the sake of argument.

* Not personally, but because I spent the last three hours comparing a couple accounts of the Second Battle of Newtonia.

My post was in reference to the above post
(by liberty_one)that 60,000 babies are just killed that could have become a live human when infact they would not have survived outwide of the womb. That is not a scare tactic, but you are an idiot.

It is precisely why a woman should have a choice since there is 100% certainty that the child would not live outside the womb.

The subsequent email furthers the point by expressing that the god most pro-lifers refer to when speaking on abortion is infact the reason that said child won't live.

Chicklet you have clearly displayed your inability to grasp the progression of posts or their meanings.

You're the one making assumptions, LO. There are laws governing late-term abortions, and given that he was recently acquitted on all of numerous charges in that regard, the burden of proof is squarely on all you supporters to the terrorist who murdered him.

Wait, wait, wait. Tiller did not perform 60,000 late term abortions. Over 35ish years it's estimated that he performed that many abortions total. Tiller was recently involved in a legal dispute (aquitted) regarding 19 late term abortions. There is a big difference between 60,000 and 19 anythings.

The Guttmacher Institute estimates that 60,000 to 80,000 women die globally every year from unsafe abortions. That's PER YEAR. And 5,000,000 sufer permanent injury. Again, making abortion illigal does not stop it. It just makes it unsafe.

Who cares! Let's just face it, the conservative people are never going to give up that fight that "we are killing millions of babies that are God's children" blah blah blah blah blah, and the liberals will never stop fighting with the said conservatives.

What most the people on here need to learn how to do is to shut their traps and believe in what they believe in and leave it at that. Stop trying to persuade people that you are right because IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! You will never win the abortion fight, there will always be doctors and women around killing their babies because they can. Get over it!

I thought Tiller belonged to some reformed Lutheran sect. He was shot at a reformed Lutheran church. Why is his funeral at a United Methodist Church, because Methodists believe in unborn baby killing on demand?

Soon you will have to realize that porch_person’s preferred method of arguing is putting words in your mouth and creating strawman arguments. No matter how many times you repeat yourself she will continue to put words in your mouth so s/he can continue to argue, since s/he doesn’t know how to have a legitimate debate (especially for legal matters). For example, I had the exact same debate of PP v. Casey and Roe v. Wade a few days ago. I figured out a few days ago it’s best just to ignore this one.

Satirical is spot-on in regards to porch_person. He doesn't know how to have an original thought. And his arguments are based on lies that he tries to pass as statements someone else made. Obviously, a very insecure person with little or no intelligence.

I hope Dr. Tillers funeral go on with little interruption from the outside. His family deserves that.