Meanwhile, it's going to be hard to pick one film to vote for. I've narrowed it down to top 5 so far. I guess I'll have to watch all the entries over again to help me make up my mind! :cool:

Decisions, decisions...

Spatula

11-01-2005, 03:53 PM

Top 5? I can't even get that far... gotta watch them again and again...

Zensteve

11-01-2005, 04:25 PM

Who all has scores to enter, btw?

CootDog

11-01-2005, 04:37 PM

Why, Zen... are you trying to buy votes?:D

I know this isn't the mud slinging thread, but I couldn't resist...:hmm:

Spatula

11-01-2005, 04:41 PM

Bloody Hell has an original score from Kirill Kripak!
The bar music though, is Kevin Dunlop's "DDT".

Zensteve

11-01-2005, 04:48 PM

Why, Zen... are you trying to buy votes? :D

With the way my entry stacks up against the rest of the entries, I may have no other option. :lol:

dylan61

11-01-2005, 07:42 PM

Talking Dead has an original score written and performed by Keith Golinski.

Boz Uriel

11-01-2005, 08:03 PM

No Strings Attached has an original score by Mark Mainero.

bird

11-01-2005, 08:34 PM

Now loading a fifth piece....for god's sake, have some mercy on us dial-up drones. I figure the remaining five are 2-3 hour downloads (each) for me. Anyone have a book version?...or in the process of writing the book version?...or, perhaps, submitting a manuscript, or still making notes in the margin of a long-hand version of a book?:D

CootDog

11-01-2005, 08:37 PM

"Casting Call" has an original score from Matt Pauler.

Poke,
Please be advised that we have an original score in this film. Artist is Matt Pauler

CootDog

11-01-2005, 10:05 PM

Bird... you have great determination spending hours downloading something that is only 5: long.

I hope you enjoy them... Mine's a little less than 10 meg.

SteadySam

11-02-2005, 10:25 AM

Bump

indietalk

11-02-2005, 03:43 PM

To keep everything fair we will only accept one vote per IP address. Some votes have already been adjusted.

DirectorX

11-02-2005, 04:49 PM

Really exciting stuff.
I have to watch the films again before posting and voting. Good stuff!

Bird, your efforts are appreciated!

CootDog

11-02-2005, 05:12 PM

So if the people voting are using the same location to vote from, you will not accept their votes?

As in an internet cafe running on a generator. Just clarifying please. Policy is policy, just asking.

indietalk

11-02-2005, 05:13 PM

Correct. One vote per IP address.

CootDog

11-02-2005, 05:44 PM

Ok Thanks Indie... I understand the policy is to thwart erroneus and inappropriate voting.

Looks like a tight race here!

shawnmelton

11-03-2005, 11:12 PM

Hey all,

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but is there a place where suggestions can be made for these films? I'm seeing a lot of praise and glad-handing, but not much in the way of constructive (or mildly destructive) criticism. Again, I'm not looking to nail anyone to the wall - but if we aren't helping each other become sharper craftsmen, then what's the point of this site.

Just curious. Many thanks.

Shawn.

a man a plan a canal panama (longest palindrome ever).

indietalk

11-03-2005, 11:18 PM

Each film has it's own thread.

John@Bophe

11-03-2005, 11:19 PM

Shawn -- the first post in this thread lists all of the movies in the competition. Immediately under each title is a link to its own individual discussion thread. In those discussion threads you are free to comment however you feel is appropriate.

shawnmelton

11-04-2005, 09:26 AM

I know that those threads exist, but there doesn't seem to be any real criticism going on there... That's why I thought there might be a "special" thread for the hard stuff.

Thanks though!

Shawn

bird

11-04-2005, 09:27 AM

I would like to say congratulations to all the filmmakers for their efforts!

I was unable to view two of the works (did load the newest ver of QT only to discover when I returned from work this morning that 'some' of the files were corrupt and suggested that it be downloaded again-arggg, not a chance). Sadly I didn't get to see 'Talking Dead' or 'Annoying Brian' so I will abstain from voting.

I have to say this is the first time I've had the chance to load and view works of Indietalk's competition and I am impressed at the work put into, and the vision of, our members.

Thank you for showing us all your art.

NicklausLouis

11-04-2005, 09:46 AM

I know that those threads exist, but there doesn't seem to be any real criticism going on there... That's why I thought there might be a "special" thread for the hard stuff.

Thanks though!

Shawn

Usually people try to criticise without blasting someone's hard work. There is a fair amount of criticism going on in those threads, but I would invite you to post your critique there.

Poke

shawnmelton

11-04-2005, 10:49 AM

Sadly I didn't get to see 'Talking Dead' ...

I've just re-uploaded the "Talking Dead" file for dylan61.
I posted a straight .MOV file instead of the .MP4 (which seems to be causing problems).

I know that those threads exist, but there doesn't seem to be any real criticism going on there... That's why I thought there might be a "special" thread for the hard stuff.

Fell free to post as much slag as you wish on "Bloody Hell". Go deep- make it hurt. :D

Just don't criticize my compression skillz- I know I suck... bah!

@ Bird- Thank YOU for watching our work! Do try and get those two flicks though, they're fantastic!

tortilla

11-04-2005, 09:09 PM

Every time I try to view the thread for "Rest" my browser (Firefox) freezes. Just wanted to let you know in case anyone else is having the same problems. I haven't had any other problems.

Boz Uriel

11-04-2005, 09:24 PM

Sure can go ahead and blast away on "No Strings Attached" too. The more it gets blasted the more I'll learn. :yes:

Loud Orange Cat

11-05-2005, 07:18 PM

I've downloaded and viewed all the entries.

I have to admit, the entries just keep getting better every year. Voting for just one was very difficult.

Congrats to you all!

EddieLeonardo

11-05-2005, 09:39 PM

I finally have watched all of the films and have decided on my vote. It was a tough call, I narrowed it down to 5 then, down to 2, then to 1.

Great job everyone and good luck.

John@Bophe

11-06-2005, 10:20 AM

I'll agree with everyone -- these entries are all great!

I do intend to leave comments for all entries, but I still have a few left to do. I also want to thank all the people who left comments for all the entries in the discussion threads. Positive or negative, feedback is always appreciated. These filmmakers put a lot of effort into making these projects, and the feedback is their reward for their efforts--so thanks for that. Good luck to everyone!

NicklausLouis

11-06-2005, 08:58 PM

We got a real neck and neck race goin' right now with "Talking Dead" and "Casting Call" leading the way with 13 votes a piece. We got a week and a day left until the deadline.

Who will win?

Poke

EddieLeonardo

11-06-2005, 09:06 PM

The Wretched Decree will win. I know it is an underdog now (translated to read: "last place"), but I believe some type of Magic Movie Miracle tm will happen that will propel it to the top.:lol:

Either way, I am very excited about this and I am just honored to be in the same company as these talented people.:yes:

CootDog

11-06-2005, 09:25 PM

Yea it's a real nail biter here! I know it's a week away but I keep checking 3 or 4 times a day.

I love the ITOOFC's. It brings out the best in people!

NicklausLouis

11-07-2005, 09:11 PM

This thing keeps switching back and forth.

Poke

bird

11-10-2005, 09:17 AM

I've just re-uploaded the "Talking Dead" file for dylan61.
I posted a straight .MOV file instead of the .MP4 (which seems to be causing problems).

I was able to play it after loading the MPEG4 from Quicktime.

They were all great efforts, totally different styles, concepts, even genres. They ran the gamut from the newbie to the experienced. Wonderfully flawless classic work to experimental narrative, even abstract. I congratulate you all!

My vote goes for DirectorX for 'Darkness'. I thought you combined sorrowful images in a beautifully tragic way, you took a risk with sensationalistc material and managed to affect real response (which I think is a VERY BIG pre-req when seaching for an audience).

CootDog

11-11-2005, 05:51 PM

You're right Poke... and "Talking Dead" is ahead by two. With only a few days left for Voting, it's anyones game!

FilmJumper

11-12-2005, 06:57 AM

I've just re-uploaded the "Talking Dead" file for dylan61.
I posted a straight .MOV file instead of the .MP4 (which seems to be causing problems).

Shawn Melton.
I've tried both links with absolutely no luck over the last several hours... All other score sheets are in. I'll try again later tonight.

filmy

CootDog

11-12-2005, 08:02 AM

Filmy,

I have the MP4 version and am uploading it to my server... I'll edit this post with the link once it's done... should be about 10 minutes... Well actually you can to http://www.santaiscalling.com/TD to get the file at say... 7:15am central time

It's up there now.

kjproducer

11-12-2005, 07:41 PM

I CANT LOAD SOME OF THE SHORTS
:grumpy:

CootDog

11-12-2005, 09:27 PM

It would probably be more beneficial if you told us which ones and what the problem is.

indietalk

11-13-2005, 02:11 PM

ANNOUNCEMENT: POLL VOID AND CLOSED.

The popular vote will no longer be an award. There are too many dummy accounts voting for the same films, and the moderators do not have the time to look up IP addresses and do all the detective work, nor should they have to.

The competition is in the hands of the jury.

bird

11-13-2005, 04:06 PM

Wow, talk about an anti-climax.

CootDog

11-13-2005, 04:40 PM

Wow!
That's crazy!

So you would only allow votes from existing members as long as they didn't join after the competition and use the same computer or service to vote?

Bird... anti-climax...:lol: that's pretty funny!:lol:

To stop the contreversy and do it politically, removing the "People's Choice Award" must have been the only option by management. Do I like it, ofcourse not because I was in the lead, at least the last time I checked.

I definitely do not want the ITOOFC's to end. If this is what has to happen in order for there to be an ITOOFC#5 then so be it.

Maybe some official rules should be drawn up if there is another people's choice.

Since there is no more People's Choice Award, does that mean the People's Choice poster contest is removed as well?

NicklausLouis

11-14-2005, 12:08 AM

Okie Dokie!

I was out of town this weekend and it seems that this little contest blew up a bit while I was enjoying chicken and dumplings with my in-laws.

I am unsure of all of the events that transpired, but I think I have a pretty good grasp as to what happened. To answer some questions that might be floating around...

The Judges Panel is still scoring each and every film and the Award will be announced on Tuesday night at 8PM EST (24 hours after the polls were supposed to close). At this same time we will award a Best Acting Performance and Best Knife Award.

The Popular Vote or People's Choice Award has been discontinued for this round of the ITOOFC, we will look into rules of the Pop Vote when the next ITOOFC rolls around, but based on the rules we have been running on throughout the first 3 comps, this vote needs to be disqualified.

Since there is no more People's Choice Award, does that mean the People's Choice poster contest is removed as well?

This as well has been shut down.

The management is sorry that this has happened, if you have comments or concerns, please PM me...I am willing to listen to them.

Poke

knightly

11-14-2005, 09:03 AM

Can we all have our votes back, or are you guys just gonna keep them? ;)

NicklausLouis

11-14-2005, 10:51 AM

You had no votes to begin with....silly judge.

Poke

cibao

11-15-2005, 07:43 PM

FWIW - I've had problems with people's choice votes on the internet...twice with the Amazon Tribeca online festival and once with the Subaru commercial. (I didn't have a problem with the ITOOFC #3 vote, other than there were maybe 30 votes total on all the films, and my short was viewed over 200 times...I wish more voted one way or the other.)

My point being maybe it's for the best that the people's choice award be removed. There really isn't any way to make it fair. You could make rules, but that doesn't mean they'll be followed, which means more work for the moderators.

I do suggest (again) that the judges sheets get shared either as critiques for everyone, or at least shared with all of the entrants. How many critiques have you read that leave you scratching your head, but when you read others by the person, you get it (ie: oh, they don't like comedy, or they like a lot of camera work, or they like the camera to be steady etc.) That really would help in doing your own critique of your own work, and if passed to everyone, would give you an idea of what some people are looking at. Let's face it, this business is a matter of taste. Some like, some hate, some don't get and the bottom line is one day, it'll be all about how many tickets get sold.

An example from #3, I had a door noise. It was a bus door opening. One critic said that the sound was screwed up for the door opening. Actually it was meant to be that way (supposed to be funny). Seeing others from the same critic might have helped me figure out if it was just not funny or if the critic just missed it by the way he/she looked at other films.

Another idea that I have is the director's choice. Have the entrants vote for their favorite short other than their own.

Anyway, I sort of feel like an outsider on this board, so take this for what it's worth (not much).

I'll go back to lurking.

Chris

indietalk

11-15-2005, 07:55 PM

I do suggest (again) that the judges sheets get shared either as critiques for everyone, or at least shared with all of the entrants.
They're not critiques, they're scores, and they aren't shared, they are confidential.

CootDog

11-15-2005, 08:01 PM

I understand your stance Indie, but I was talking to someone today about this, and I think it would be good to keep the information confidential and share the score with the individual filmmaker. It would let us know where the judges think we lacked so we would know what to work on for next time.

CootDog

11-15-2005, 08:04 PM

Another idea that I have is the director's choice. Have the entrants vote for their favorite short other than their own.

I actually like that idea!

Anyway, I sort of feel like an outsider on this board, so take this for what it's worth (not much).

I'll go back to lurking.

Chris

Why do you feel like an outsider.. Don't lurk, be part of the community! :yes:

indietalk

11-15-2005, 10:01 PM

I understand your stance Indie, but I was talking to someone today about this, and I think it would be good to keep the information confidential and share the score with the individual filmmaker. It would let us know where the judges think we lacked so we would know what to work on for next time.
If a judge thinks his score will be shared he will most likely not want to be a judge. It's confidential for a reason, so the judges are not afraid to give an honest score. They will not be shared with the filmmakers.

CootDog

11-15-2005, 10:08 PM

I understand where you're coming from. I never thought about that and now that I see it that way, it seems that not sharing the scores would be a good idea. The scores should be the scores, and not be altered because they don't want the filmmaker to know.

Thanks Indie for explaining it!

Spatula

11-15-2005, 10:09 PM

Last year we got anonymous score sheets, with categories... is that happening this year?

indietalk

11-15-2005, 10:10 PM

I understand where you're coming from. I never thought about that and now that I see it that way, it seems that not sharing the scores would be a good idea. The scores should be the scores, and not be altered because they don't want the filmmaker to know.

Thanks Indie for explaining it!
I also see your points. Thanks for the suggestion.

indietalk

11-15-2005, 10:12 PM

Last year we got anonymous score sheets, with categories... is that happening this year?
Poke should know. All I know is you won't know who gave you what. As far as anonymous sheets, I have no idea.

Will Vincent

11-15-2005, 10:45 PM

Yes, you will be getting a score sheet listing all the judges scores and comments anonymously.. or so I've heard from Poke. ;)

Spatula

11-15-2005, 10:46 PM

Yes, you will be getting a score sheet listing all the judges scores and comments anonymously.. or so I've heard from Poke. ;)

Sweet, thanks dudes.

NicklausLouis

11-15-2005, 10:50 PM

Winners are up. (http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=8994)

The Judges Score sheets will be the same as last ITOOFC's - comprehensive with no names.