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Why would Ellen need to do animal sacrifices, which were merely shadows of the true sacrifice provided by the Father in His Son - Jesus Christ? Ellen accepted Jesus as her sacrifice.

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"Merely shadows?" There should be no better way to answer that than this:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:6-17].

"Merely shadows?" There should be no better way to answer that than this:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:6-17].

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Your translation is off, as the koine Greek is plural, not singular, but never the less, consider the context, as we have before:

Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts. The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB], are always a Law of God, never an "ordinance".

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” – Colossians 2:16

“And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.” – Ezekiel 45:17​

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices, the context of Ezekiel 45 and its "ordinances" - see vs 14 for example]

"Merely shadows?" There should be no better way to answer that than this:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:6-17].

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Both Ezekiel and Colossians are following the same pattern as found throughout the whole Bible, beginning in Numbers 28-29:

Numbers 28:11-15 KJB, is the “beginnings of your months”, and “every month”, or monthly offerings.​

[4] seasonally [sometimes monthly]

Numbers 28:16-25 KJB is the “in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD” and “in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread”, which is the seasonal feast of Passover and of unleavened bread of the spring, and would be the spring seasonal offering, or even the first feast of the religious year offering.

Numbers 28:26-31 KJB is the “in the day of the firstfruits” and “after your weeks”, or the seasonal wavesheaf offering along with Pentecost [feast of weeks], which basically closes the seasonal spring feasts.

Numbers 29:1-6 KJB continues them of the seasonal feasts “in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets”, which is the seasonal fall feast of Trumpets and its offerings.

Numbers 29:7-11 KJB is the “have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein”, “of atonement”, or the seasonal fall feast of the day of atonement offering.

Numbers 29:12-40 KJB is the “on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days”, which is the final seasonal fall feast of booths/ingathering/tabernacles offerings.​

[5] yearly

Numbers 28:16-31, 29:1-40 [see also Leviticus 23 & 25] KJB refers to each of the yearly sabbaths, which completes the full offerings in the year.​

“And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.” – Ezekiel 45:17 KJB

"Merely shadows?" There should be no better way to answer that than this:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:6-17].

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Albert Barnes [Presbyterian]:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...”​

Adam Clarke [Methodist]:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...”​

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown [theologians]:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...”​

Justin Edwards [Congregationalist]:

“… A holy-day-sabbath-days; in the original, a festival-sabbaths. The days referred to are those required to be observed in the ceremonial law-days associated by God with meats, drinks, and new moons. The passage does not refer to the Sabbath of the moral law, associated with the commands forbidding theft, murder, and adultery. This weekly Sabbath was never against men or contrary to them, but was always for them, and promotive of their highest good. The observance of it caused them to ride upon the high places of the earth, and to possess the heritage of God’s people. Isaiah 58:13-14; Jeremiah 17:21-27. …”​

“And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for [the] man, and not man for the sabbath:” – Mark 2:27 KJB

"Merely shadows?" There should be no better way to answer that than this:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:6-17].

The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is “shadow” (not light a God’s Ten Commandments, not body or substance), that which is “of things to come” (type pointing to the future events) and of carnal “ordinances” (not God’s spiritual Law), as follows:

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, through the word “Remember” (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

[4] The weekly 7th day, cyclical, Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

An unbiased reading of Colossians 2:16 will show that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek).

Look at Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

• festival - yearly Sabbaths,• a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,• or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or if you wish Sabbath days)"• CHRIST,he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed:

"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 flatly states, "you observe...",

• days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Col. 2)• months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Col. 2)• seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Col. 2)• and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

*Obviously Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy day, including the Sabbath.

The apostle Paul exhorts the Colossians not to allow others to “judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (emphases mine). Just prior to this statement, Paul declares that God has “canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross” (Col. 2.14). This is Paul’s basis for telling his readers not to give in to those condemning them for not observing the weekly Sabbath and other Jewish holy days. The official position of the Adventist Church, however, states that “the sabbaths here referred to are the ceremonial sabbaths of the Jewish annual festivals,” not the Sabbath of the Decalogue (Ministerial Association 254). Ratzlaff argues against this interpretation by noting that “when these ritual laws of the old covenant [are] mentioned together [in the Old Testament], never are the seasonal feasts called ‘sabbaths,’ leaving the word ‘Sabbath’ for the seventh-day Sabbath to avoid confusion” (192). Greg Taylor, formerly a Seventh-day Adventist pastor and author of Discovering the New Covenant, points out that the “same construction [yearly, monthly, weekly] is found in ascending or descending order repeatedly throughout the Old Testament” and in those instances (see 1 Ch. 23.30-31, 2 Ch. 2.4, Ne. 10.32-33, Hos. 2.11-12, Eze. 45.17) “’sabbaths’ […] always refer to the weekly Sabbath” (68-69).

Yeah, about him. He never answers my emails to him or his 'ministry', on anything. He doesn't even have a response to what I have shared here, and elsewhere. He chooses to ignore it, as you do.

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Some people know when they are wasting their time beating a dead horse, but proudly chalk it up for victory if you wish. You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on the Baptist Board.

Fair enough. How ya been? Haven't seen ya round in awhile. What are you doing during this plandemic?

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I've been good. Church service and small group Bible study continue online and my wife and I have been staying away from crowds and have gotten back to the basics when it comes to socializing with others.

I've been good. Church service and small group Bible study continue online and my wife and I have been staying away from crowds and have gotten back to the basics when it comes to socializing with others.

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How do you do the online, youtube, facebook, etc? What is your present Bible study?

How do you do the online, youtube, facebook, etc? What is your present Bible study?

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Church sermons are through YouTube and small group Bible study is through Zoom. Our present Bible study (and we are just finishing up) covers encouragement in hard times and overcoming doubt in a crisis.

Hey mailmandan, just want to say, while I have the time to say it (who knows how much time is left these days, can't be much as time goes), I know I probably have given you a hard time in the past, and more than likely overstepped the bounds of discussion (you'd have to tell me whether it was so, and I'll accept it, conversations can sometimes be heated to the point where the point is lost and personalities become involved) during those times, but even so, know that though I disagree with some of the doctrine you espouse, I do not desire to be unkind, or uncharitable to you, or to bring you to think that I do not love you (and wife, included, please say "Hello" for me) as it is in Christ Jesus.

So, please allow me to say while time lasts, please forgive me for anything that has not been in character with Jesus. Seriously and with all sincerity. That includes anything in this thread to this point. My last reply was not to try to goad, so much as to give a pinch of (human) love to ya (teased too far it seems). I don't see the same faces like I used to so much any more, and it causes me to wonder, "What ever happened to them ..." (I was re-reading the history of D.M.Canright again, and it is bringing me to thinking more about how I ought to treat those who disagree ...)

God knows (specifically) what happens next (though I understand generally), and I desire to have all things straight with all whom I can before we all meet our Maker face to face.

Though I know you disagree with me (us) on certain things, I hope that as people claiming to be in Christ Jesus and following Him, we all know that Jesus died for every last one of us (you, me and them (whomever they are)).

I know that Jesus died for you and your wife, and even the Baptists of this board (yes, even the Salty ones (Heya Salty).

Well, sorry mailmandan for anything taken out on you, and for things that weren't of Jesus' character. By God's grace, I shall love you as God loves you.

[PS edited my posts, but feel free to leave my original quotes in your replies if you desire, for I am not ashamed of my apology]

Church sermons are through YouTube and small group Bible study is through Zoom. Our present Bible study (and we are just finishing up) covers encouragement in hard times and overcoming doubt in a crisis.

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Are the sermons live on Youtube, or just pre-recorded and then posted? I just found out about Zoom myself, and have used it rather recently with those in Australia, and a few others.

What 3 texts are the top ones you have chosen for encouragement, and same 3 for overcoming doubt? I would think the Psalms are the best places, but not always, so what did you go with?

Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.​

God showed me one day as I read it, that the context in that verse of "such things ... [we] have" is in the latter part of the verse, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." A question came to mind. What do we truly have? We have Jesus Christ! Therefore, why be covetous of anything else, when everything of value is in Him.

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Your translation is off, as the koine Greek is plural, not singular, but never the less, consider the context, as we have before:

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The NASB and the NET both render "things" plural and "shadow" singular. As to the rest of your cut&paste gobbledygook, I don't read it and I doubt if anybody else does. I doubt if even you and marysson read each other's c&p.