- As mentioned, a softie. (Nothing wrong with that.)- Merciful. (Nothing wrong with that.)- More the Savior figure, than Movie Optimus.- Showed kindness and patience.- Tried to keep humans safe from conflict.

Movie Prime has the following traits:

- Not a softie. (Capable of killing, has no reservations about it.)- Is merciful, but never given the chance to show it. (Megatron did NOT offer him a real truce in DOTM.)- Not the savior figure, though they tried to work it in in ROTF.- Impatient, at times. Not exactly warm and fuzzy.- Took the battle right to the streets, people or no. Let the Decepticons run rampant in Chicago to prove a point. To show the humans they were wrong. (G1, the humans would've listened to Optimus and all's well that ends well.)- Realistic.

That's the problem. G1 Optimus is an idealist. He's a hero everyone can look up to.Movie Optimus is a realist. He's a hero, but at great personal cost. He's the hero that makes you turn your head, while he cuts the guy's throat. He does what you'd actually need to do in a war. Unlike G1 Optimus, who was given an out due to the target audience. Movie Optimus is far more realistic and shows the scars of war, inside and out.

He'd kill because he has to. He wouldn't hesitate. G1 would hesitate. That doesn't make him less powerful, just doesn't allow him to be a formidable foe.

John McClane: You know what you get for being a hero? Nothin'. You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah, blah, blah, attaboy. You get divorced. Your wife can't remember your last name. Your kids don't want to talk to you. You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me, kid, nobody wants to be that guy.

And that is the kind of guy Movie Optimus is.

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Movie OP is everything but a hero. Not even a classic anti-hero like, for example, Riddick or Vegeta is, because he isn't even good by circumstances. He did everything he did knowingly (a lot of things that can be considered evil acts), and the best excuse anybody can come up is, that he is a soldier - but such soldiers are not heroes; he is like Rambo from First Blood.

The problem with the John McClane semblance is, McClane would have done everything to prevent the assault of the city, while Prime sat and let the Decepticons murder thousands just to prove his point (and, just like in KoTOR, letting your enemy attack a city just to prove you're the hero is a very dark motive)

Chaoslock wrote:Movie OP is everything but a hero. Not even a classic anti-hero like, for example, Riddick or Vegeta is, because he isn't even good by circumstances. He did everything he did knowingly (a lot of things that can be considered evil acts), and the best excuse anybody can come up is, that he is a soldier - but such soldiers are not heroes; he is like Rambo from First Blood.

He isn't good, even by circumstance? Wow. Did...we see the same movies? You mean to tell me out of the entire 3 piece, 7.5 hour saga...he did nothing heroic, even once?

Bias. Plain and simple.

And don't speak of whether or not a given soldier is a hero or not. Unless you've served, you haven't the right to say such a thing. I never served and you don't see me saying such things.

Try being on the other end of a sniper rifle, living in fear. Try avoiding IEDs. I don't have to be a soldier to know that's scarier than hell to live in fear like that around the clock. That changes people.

Doesn't make them less of a hero. Makes them harder inside and out. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

Chaoslock wrote:The problem with the John McClane semblance is, McClane would have done everything to prevent the assault of the city, while Prime sat and let the Decepticons murder thousands just to prove his point (and, just like in KoTOR, letting your enemy attack a city just to prove you're the hero is a very dark motive)

Optimus didn't prevent the attack, this much is true. I can't fight that one. However, I don't think Prime was prepared for the onslaught the Decepticons were bringing. I think it overwhelmed even him.

I'm not excusing it or trying to explain it away, but there's more to the story than we were shown. Bay's known for not elaborating and expects his audience to just "get" it.

Still, you're entirely biased against movie Optimus. You see the G1 with rose colored glasses. They tried to make Optimus in the first movie like the G1 Optimus, what with the self sacrifice and all that. It was ridiculous. G1 Optimus is just as much of a danger because he's an idealist. You need a mix of idealism and realism to be a balanced person, but soldiers don't always have that luxury. Some have to do horrible things to save others. Movie Prime doesn't have much in the way of idealism, according to the films, but it doesn't make him a bad guy.

You can bury your head in the sand all you want, all it does is paint a bull's eye on your ass.

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He did heroic things, I think... like... what the hell did he do? I think in the first movie he saved Sam from falling down the roof, but other than that, he did fail as a leader when he let the humans capture and torture Bumblebee, he heroically crushed the Fallens Spark before his eyes, he killed his own brother, and his mentor, when all of them were incapable of fighting back or were offering peace... truely heroic and/or good acts.

Now, to see which soldiers are "heroes" is just a matter of perspective, and you don't have the right to say others what they can say. In WWII, japanese and german soldiers were both heroes in their own country, while they were pictured as devils or underlings in the Allied countries (and vice versa)

If fear of a business end of a sniper rifle makes you a hero, as you say, rob a bank with a gun, and there you have it, you will be a hero!

Yeah, I'm biased to G1 Optimus, because he is a classic heroic character, while Movie Prime is a barbarian without any morals.

G1 Prime's very first action is mowing down a line of Decepticon soldiers without even batting the proverbial optic sensor and then doing a damned quip about it. He 'took the fight' to Lord Chumley and pretty much every single Decepticon, only pausing when human life would be in danger... like Movie Prime did in the 2007 movie against Megatron.

Not to mention that he's simply far stronger, far tougher, more experience and more technologically advanced.

To me MV Prime seems kinda "fragile." After being shot several times,he loses pieces and is almost falling apart. G1 Prime seems (to me) more sturdy and can take some good damage. Almost I gotta give it to G1 Prime and that he only needs a Ion Blaster and Energon-Hand Ax to defeat his foes whereas MV prime has to rely on a diverse array of weaponry AND flight tech. In the '86 movie, Prime took out a diverse group of Cons with just his alt mode and his gun. In DOTM when Prime flew threw chicago,He needed a Jetpack,miniguns,blades,ion cannons,missles,etc. Yes MV prime has all these weapons and could take down G1 Prime,but I think G1 Prime is more resourceful with just his one gun.

Final Verdict IMHO: G1 Optimus Prime

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Movie Prime. His diverse weaponry and hand-to-hand combat skill would make mincemeat out of G1 Prime. Just look at the fight between Prime and Megs in the 86 movie, Prime gets his aft handed to him. Now imagine Megs being stronger, faster, more agile, and with a veritable cornucopia of pop-out blades and guns. G1 Prime would be SCREWED.

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Microraptor wrote:Movie Prime. His diverse weaponry and hand-to-hand combat skill would make mincemeat out of G1 Prime. Just look at the fight between Prime and Megs in the 86 movie, Prime gets his aft handed to him. Now imagine Megs being stronger, faster, more agile, and with a veritable cornucopia of pop-out blades and guns. G1 Prime would be SCREWED.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. Movie Optimus Prime isn't afraid to get his hands dirty which would unfortunately really be a disadvantage to G1 Optimus Prime.

Microraptor wrote:Movie Prime. His diverse weaponry and hand-to-hand combat skill would make mincemeat out of G1 Prime. Just look at the fight between Prime and Megs in the 86 movie, Prime gets his aft handed to him. Now imagine Megs being stronger, faster, more agile, and with a veritable cornucopia of pop-out blades and guns. G1 Prime would be SCREWED.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. Movie Optimus Prime isn't afraid to get his hands dirty which would unfortunately really be a disadvantage to G1 Optimus Prime.

Even Peter Cullen took notice of this....change in character that he is portraying. Movie Prime plays dirty.

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