For The Next Doctor, RTD has gone for a simple adventure approach... it's very funny & well paced, Pirates of the Caribbean to VOTD's Poseidon Adventure. The episode contains the phrase "cache of info-stamps"

"I play a character called the Doctor - a man who believes himself to be a Timelord. He's a tragic character. Something terrible has happened to him. Over the course of the episode, bits of what happened are revealed... But all those questions my Doctor wants to ask about himself and his past have to be put aside to save London from destruction.

David Morriessy

Set Reports

1st Report of Filming

This opening scene was shown as part of this years Children in Need. Exciting stuff!

And what was that thing that leaped out at them? Answer: Cybershade! They're kinda like fluffy bronze versions aren't they?

2nd Report of Filming

Assuming this is following on straight from the last scene, I'm guessing the Doctors' and Rosita are going to scarper.

We see the Other Doctor and Rosita run along a street, they stop and the Other Doctor says to her: "The Doctor's companion will do what the Doctor says! Now go!"

And at some other point we get this:

The Other Doctor is talking to Rosita at this point and I have no idea where it comes in the story but I cant see our Doctor anywhere. Who knows?

And at this point I don't know if our Doctor is with them, or after them, or just on his own but I bet anything he wants some answers. So I guess he must go look for them.

As well as our heros, there's also a Cybershade lurking mysteriously in broad daylight where it can clearly be seen.

3rd Report of Filming

While out and about on the street, we can see that a funeral procession is taking place

And it looks like bother Doctors are watching it.

Now, apparently theres a Cybershade in the funeral cart. But of course neither Doctors' or Rosita notice it.

4th Report of Filming

A snowy graveyard, with the same funeral taking place.

And now we get to meet a very fun character! Miss Hartigan, who is the lovely lady in red, and the villain of this episode.

As the funeral goes on, those attending can see a shadow of a man lurking in the distance, and moving closer. And who should come into view? Cybers!

Presumably, Miss Hartigan does a good old speech or something that lets the others know that she's behind this all, since a man turns to her and asks...

"What manner of men are they?"

"Cybermen"

And then said Cybers begin to attack with the usual electric-neck-grip-of-death, while the humans run away. And apparently there are some Cybershades there as well.

Man: Monstrous witch!

Miss H: Merry Christmas to you too

Video of Cyber attack

Much thanks to papseyno1

5th Report of FilmingRight, so while all that is going on, I'm guessing that our heros want to stop the evil and find out what the hell is going on.

And it looks like they go snooping in someones house. Who's house? I have no idea. But they're definitely not alone.

"...Okay!"

So then I guess they scarper pretty sharpish and most likely go somewhere else. I'm guessing the steel works (where it looks like quite a bit goes on)

And I think that while they're in the steel mill, the Doctor finds some projection (or does something Time Lordy and clever) while the Other Doctor seems somewhat distracted by a book.

Well its definitely not any language I know... could it be Time Lordy? Could the Other Doctor be feeling something? Or is he really just a con-man (as speculation suggests)

6th Report of Filming

And at some other point we see the funeral cart again. Its being driven by a Cybershade and Miss Hartigan is sitting at the front.

I'm guessing they're off to do some unspeakable evil. Probably in their Cyber-HQ (the trashed set of the Torchwood Hub) And it looks like they've got some pretty fancy machinery there as well!

The inside of the HQ has been described as a "sort of huge Cyber-victorian engine - all cogs, chains, furnaces and steam. Think steampunk."

And inside is where the Cyberleader lives! As of now, I don't know how integral he'll be to the plot, but hes got a bit of a different head that the usual Cyber.

7th Report of Filming

A long line of Victorian children can be seen under the charge of the undertaker (from the funeral) and I'll give you one guess why he's working for the bad guys...

The children march up to the door, and are shocked when they see two cybermen. They panic, and some try to run, only to be scared back into line by three hissing Cybershades.

The undertaker then said something along the lines of:

"Enter the court of the Cyber-King! That is an order - March!"

Unable to escape, the children trudge past the cybers, into their HQ

Once inside, the children are forced to shovel coal into buckets, pour oil into funnels and trudge up and down rickety stairs. Basic slave labour really.

8th Report of Filming

I don't know whats happened beforehand, but it looks like the Doctor and Rosita are rushing to the rescue! They arrive where the children were taken and hide behind some barrels. Rosita wants to follow, but the Doctor says that "It will be too well guarded".

They move to rush off in another direction, only to be shocked to find two cybermen watching them.

The Doctor: Whoa! That's cheating, sneaking up like that! Have you got your legs on silent?

Then Miss H emerges from the building behind. I guess thus far the Doctor doesn't know that she's the baddie since he tries to coax her away

The Doctor: Don't let them touch you, just come here, slowly.

Miss Hartigan: I have nothing to fear from my shining knights.

The Doctor reasons that she can't be fully Cyberized so she still has free will and can break away etc

And THEN the Doctor catches onto the fact that Miss H is behind the Cyber plans.

The Doctor: ... and it all has to happen tomorrow, on Christmas day? That was your idea was it?

Miss H agrees and asks who the Doctor is and how he knows so much about her comrades. The Doctor tells them who he is.

Cyberman:[his appearance] does not match the cybermen visual record

The Doctor: ... ah well, The Doctor, Timelords, mumble mumble...

And after some more conversation, Miss H orders the cybermen to kill the Doctor

The Doctor: Ah well, wait a minute, let me die happy - tell me what you want the children for?

Miss H:What does anyone want children for?

The Doctor then throws something at the cyberman, who catches it and informs the Doctor that it is ineffective against the Cyber-race. Then the Other Doctor steps out from behind the Cybers & Mrs H and shoots them. I don't know with what, but I hope it was effective.

9th Report of Filming

Following on from the shooting (I'm guessing) the Doctor, Rosita & the Other Doctor run away and end up hiding in a passageway.

The Other Doctor mentions something about his "memory not fully intact yet" and he also talked about some papers, and the words "15 Latimer Street".

He also has a belt strapped around him which what could either be ammo, or some form of EMP device? (like what was seen in VotD)

The Radio Times mentions how both Doctor's end up inside the Cyber-HQ watching the children slaving away. The Other Doctor says "we can set them free" whilst holding up a piece of alien tech like an old hand.

Miss H: Children! Pay attention! I want to see you work... Now, let the new Industrial Revolution begin!

And I'm guessing that there will be a big finale like ending where the children are set free etc etc. In one of the trailers we can see the Doctor picking up a sword and defending himself from a Cyber so maybe that happens now.

Either way theres a later scene where a lot of people were running away from a large explosion. The Other Doctor appears to grab a child as he runs past, as if saving him from the blast.

10th Report of Filming

An arrival/departing scene with the TARDIS was filmed. The Doctor and the Other Doctor were there.

The Other Doctor says something along the lines of "ooooh arrrrghh, so this is it then."

SpeculationTheres a lot of arguments about the Other Doctor, and whether he is actually a future Doctor or not.

"Morrissey is not , I repeat NOT, a future Doctor, Hes a con man.

10 does believe that Morrissey could be him in the future for a short while but as the story unfolds, the truth emerges through a few funny scenes."

Apparently he's a con-man (who may or may not have hired people to dress up as cybershades in order to look heroic)

I am SOOOOOO glad that the reports of Cybies in this year's Christmas Story are TRUE!!! Yippeee!!!! I love the Cybermen (yes, even more so than the Daleks!). I do wonder what the Cybus Cybies means in relation to the rest of the series - is the Doc stuck in "alt World" after Ser4 - perhaps all the specials are in the Alt Universe? Or as mentioned aboved, does the return of Rosykins mean that the Void was breached and all those trapped Cybus Cybies and Daleks are loose in the Universe(s) now? Wow...I wonder if the Daleks would invade the alt-Universe (does it have Daleks? If so, are they different as well?). Intriguing stuff - but the Victorian setting totally made me think Cybies weren't happening - so pleased that they are! Sounds excellent - esp the CyberWraiths! New figures!!! Hooray!!! Now if they'd just reveal K9 is in Ser4 (for at least a cameo since everyone else is!) and will be in SJA more, then I'd be totally Who-Happy!!!! :-)

This is very, very intriguing. I wonder if the Cyber Wraiths are Mondasian, Moffat did say that he wanted to return to them. I hope that some in-between Companion does get to travel in time and space, since that is what being a Companion is about.

I wonder if Astrid will be back at some point.

The question of Daleks in Pete's World is an interesting one. Their version of Skaro might still be around, populated by Thals and Kaleds. Davros might never have been born, or he could be a tank driver or a doctor.

Astrid's very obvious death and the Doctor's very obvious heartbreak over losing her pretty much crosses out Astrid for future episodes. Besides Kylie's a big star (apparently) and I'm sure she's got better things to do. (I'm not much of an Astrid fan if you couldn't guess.)

Nonetheless, EXCITING STUFF. I've been missing the Cybermen since they disappeared in season 2. I always considered them the Doctor's 2nd big bad, I'm glad they're reappearing.

And guys, don't forget that we still don't know how season 4 ends... we might be keeping one of the old companions.

And, (this is my last point) - If the barrier between the Alt. Dimension that lets Rose through breaks down, that would explain why we suddenly have a LOT more Daleks than we currently do in the finale. Maybe the Xmas special (and the 2009 bank holiday specials)will be the Doctor running around trying to fix the problems made by the breach - thus why the cybermen just popped back up. Just a theory.

Oh, (this really is the last point) THIS IS A FANTASTIC BLOG. Everyone involved deserves a big round of applause!

Instead of VICTORIAN times, how about ELIZABETHAN times. Then the Doc could meet Queen Lizzie 1st. That could be why Lizzie calls the Doctor her sworn enemy. Also it was said that Queen Liz IS going to be in Series 4. The Christmas Special could be that episode.

could the "Ringwraiths" be human 'cyberman cultists' (followers), they sound like it. the "jumping" combined with victorean times makes me think of "spring heeled jack". a christmas carol would be a good "hook" for the show!

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but could it be possible the new type of cybermen are a type of steampunk cybermen made from the available technology of the Victorian era? They look rather steampunkish to me.

i think this a real good website i was trying to find it for a year and now i have finally found it !!!it has changed since i last saw it but i just don't know what ! i think that donna , martha and rose will be in the x-mas special and that donna created the new gold cybermen because it has already been spectulated that rose will find out that donna is evil in the finale of series 4 !!!i am still loving website ! good job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I write this the ast picture is missing so I can not comment on it however we need to be careful when we talk about DT and David Morrisey as they're Blackpool co-stars so is the pic from there..? Could be though Sarah Parish was in it too, also its DT's first connection to Doctor Who as there was an exhibition on there when filming and theres quite a cool shot of DT walking across the road with DOCTOR WHO above his head!

And the Cyberman are bronze not Gold, and there could be two Martha's dont forget we saw in the coming soon bit her emerging from the goo so maybe theres Martha and Clone Martha

hiya guys !!!!i have just woken up and started to watch smith and jones [ my favourite ! ]rose and martha and the doctor and jenny have now all been seen filming for this episode but donna has not been seen yet rose is rumored to be killed by a cyberman in this ep [ holding marthas hand so maybe it goes onto martha as well !!!! ]STILL LOVING ROSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we've seen some footage of Morrissey in this episode, I've got some speculation to share...

So it's already speculated that something will happen in Series 4 to open up the parallel universe that Rose was trapped in. While we don't know how Journey's End finishes, it looks like he ends the story companionless again. Now with the parallel universe open, that would explain the return of the Cybus Industries Cybermen. It could also be that Morrissey is playing a parallel version of the Doctor, hence his assumed name of 'The Other Doctor'. Heck, that could even be the title of the episode. As for the 'Cyber Shades', my guess is they're an old/outdated version of Cybermen that originated on Earth. Either that or they're a new type of Cybermen brought in by the Cybus Industries lot...

It is suggested that they are old cybermen that admired the Cybus ones and made more of them and took there technology which would make since the way they didnt know who the doctor was (by appearance) and they can fully time travel which is how they got to possibly the victorian times

They could be stuck in the past

Did anyone notice that this will be the first christmas special out of modern time and there hasnt been one on another planet yet (space doesnt count)

Hey! Jess I think your site is great I look for updates pretty much everyday(yes i'm that sad) but can I suggest the you change the heading above the 4th christmas special to The Specials rather than Series 5 coz it might be confusing when the actual series 5 comes out!!!

hey, does that mean they are entering victorian england the same way they invaded modern day earth? through an army of ghosts travelling through the void? they are the new cybus industries cybers. but what is so significant about victorian england? possibly that it is unguarded before tw or UNIT is established. must be somethink :P

Ghost in the Machine? Sounds pretty cool. I'm glad 'Cybermen' isn't in the title, that would just make things too obvious. I honestly thought they'd call the episode 'The Other Doctor', but it's not the first time I've been wrong :P

Jess, guess what. I know what the christmas special synopsis is. David Morissey is a con man, making people believe he's the doctor. Rosita's his companion, and he creates the cybershades to make everyone believe more. But then the doctor turns up with the cybermen behind and all hell breaks loose!

Umm, I dunno what exactly it was for, but my friend's brother was at the National Gallery a week ago, and he said that they were filming Doctor Who there - he didn't see the Doctor or anything, but he saw the TARDIS.

As this is the one with filming going on recently, I presume it's for this special, but I have no idea...

In the S4 finale, the Void splinters, sending the Daleks, CybusCybermen and Parallel versions of our people to random points in time and space. In this special, the Doctor and Rosita (Rose after she regenerated, since when she absorbed the Time Vortex she became part-Time Lady) land, and the Cybers make new troops from old scrap metal. They meet the Parallel Doctor who was sent flying there when the Void splintered.

The 2009 Specials will focus on a different enemy that fall through time/space when the Void splintered. SP1: Cybermen, Continued from the Christmas ep.SP2: Conclusion of Cybermen story, start of Dalek one.SP3: Daleks, on Skaro, with a past version of the Doctor (Tom Baker?).

maybe its gonna be like the christmas one is in the past, the first of the three specials is in the present, the second is in the far furture and the third is set on a different planet. Just a guess of coarse but i think that would be could. Has anyone heard the speculations about the Zygons playing a big part in one of the specials?

I read at a couple of places that Russel T. Davies was not planning to create an episode w/ the Zygons. He said the are one of his favorite villans, but since they were already in a book he doen't want to have them in an episode. I'm reading the book now, Sting of the Zygons, It is pretty good!

I heard Rose MIGHT be in it but not sure really. However Rosita( does sound like Rose alot to me) could be code for Rose, they could be doing what they did for little red riding hood or that kinda thing. Or maybe not and I'm just grasping at straws.

Well from that it looks like the Doctor can spend another Xmas alone. What is it with him and Xmas? The Christmas Invasion, yes he had Rose, but it was a new Doctor. The Runaway Bride, no companion, tries to find out why the Racnoss want Donna (pre companion Donna that is.) Voyage of the Damned, Martha has left him and he crashes into the Titanic. Astrid his "companion" dies. What a happy Xmas. Cant wait for the 2008 one!

I think that this will be like "The One Doctor" audio adventure that had the 6th Doctor, where someone pretended to be the Doctor and save a bunch of people from fake monsters, and then the real monsters showed up. The fake guy called himself the Doctor, flew in a port-a-john calling it a "STARDIS", and had a companion named "Sally Anne" which seems a mockery of "Sarah Jane". Maybe Rosita is the fake Doctor's companion named after Rose, and the Cybershades are fakes, but the Cybermen are real. Just a thought. If any new details come up, such as the title, my theory might change.

i heard that mickey smith will be in the specials next year aswell as being a full time companion in series 5 any news because i heard noel clarke confirmed he will be the companion in series 5 but i cant find any sources

hiaccording to Joan Collins' article in the New Statesmen a few weeks ago she said that on her set visit scenes were taking place in a "Victorian Sweatshop" with urchins working away at something. couldn;t find that reflected in your wonderful summary so i thought i'd draw your attention to it. though its probably not important. she didn't seem to think it was!

By the way, STOP ERASING MY SWEARING!!! This is the only way to sponge all my frustration out, ranting at people I don't even know for doing exactly what I do, speculating about next eppie, so you erasing it is DRIVING ME EVEN MORE NUTS!!! Anyway, as you can see above, the mystery swearer has assumed an identity.

So, unless you want me to slaughter you all with my chainsaw, I suggest you stop erasing my stuff, just ignore the fact that it's even there. By the way,

When the realities did collapse (when rose came through etc) daleks and cybermen could have fell through time and space at different points in time which could be a good way for moffat 2 bring the daleks back. And who is Ms Hartigan? has anyone thought she could be the rani?ps i love this sight i come here all the time know for info

I have found a connection between the enemies in the New Series of Doctor Who. In the Second Episode of Season 1, the Daleks first appeared, and the Daleks were also in Series 1. In Season 4 the second episode was "The Tenth Planet" Which introduced the Cybermen for the first time. In Season 8, the Master was introduced for the first time. In Season 12, Davros and the Sontarons appear for the First(Davros) and Second(Sontarons) time. So by counting the original series in Fours, you can see that one of the episodes in "Revenge of the Cybermen" and "The Key of Time" meaning that not only will the Cybermen return, but so will Black Guardian

This isn't actually about the Christmas Special, but as there's no 2009 specials page yet, I'll post here anyway...

If the rumours of Ace's return are true, then might she be coming back as one of the last time agents? (she could be on the trail of Captain John Hart, allowing James Masters to appear in one of the specials too)

I'm basing this speculation off of the fact that they seem to have been borrowing heavily from the books & audio dramas recently.

In the expanded whoniverse the Doctor had intended for Ace to attend the Prydon Academy and become a (in terms of knowledge and training) Timelady.

She got fed up of him manipulating her life & set off on her own, joined an organisation called 'Spacefleet' and eventually became a mercenary known as the "Time's Vigilante" using a time-hopping motorcycle fitted with an unnamed time-travel device which gave every appearence of being a vortex manipulator.

It certainly isn't stretching one's imagination to consider that Ace may have been recruited from Spacefleet by the time agency and then become the Vigilante upon its disbandment.

This could lead to renewed conflict between Ace and the Doctor, as the first thing he'd do upon meeting her again would most likely be try to disable her vortex manipulator, just like he did (twice) to Captain Jack's.

Unlike Jack, Ace ain't totally 'whiped when she's around the Doctor, and wouldn't stand for him flexing his arrogance and temporal elitism like that.

>>this site is based mainly on rumors only 1% of this stuff will most likely be true<<

Actually, if you check back at other posts from seres 4, you will see that most of the stuff this site comments on turns out to be true.

The information I provide comes from set reports (which have been seen filmed - photos are proof of that) and from a few reliable sources who have been right time after time, it is certainly more than 1% accurate as you put it.

Right come on... Rose is in a parralel universe, the doctor's Donna is dead, Martha is at Torchwood so why would they all come back.I have a feeling about Jenny, she won't come back in next episode but I think she will return in series 5.

In the S4 finale, the Void splinters, sending the Daleks, CybusCybermen and Parallel versions of our people to random points in time and space. In this special, the Doctor and Rosita (Rose after she regenerated, since when she absorbed the Time Vortex she became part-Time Lady) land, and the Cybers make new troops from old scrap metal. They meet the Parallel Doctor who was sent flying there when the Void splintered.

The 2009 Specials will focus on a different enemy that fall through time/space when the Void splintered. SP1: Cybermen, Continued from the Christmas ep. SP2: Conclusion of Cybermen story, start of Dalek one. SP3: Daleks, on Skaro, with a past version of the Doctor (Tom Baker?).

This cannot be possible as TimeLord-humans burn up and die. Yet in Journeys end: Doctor number 2 was Timelord-human and he didn't die, but he couldn't regenerate either so how could Rose regenerate?

aaaand The wall between the universes has rebuilt so no Rose, Jackie, Doctor 2 and Pete will be seen again.Donna oesn't know the Doctor so she won't come back. Martha, Mickey and Jack may come back as they are still on earth but it is unlikely after that fantastic final. So it's just the Doctor I think.. Poor guy.

I reckon (because it seems mental that the new girl in this is called Rosita when the biggest companion of New Who is Rose. Hmm.

So my theory for this is that The Doctor meets a future version of himself (The lovely Mr Dave Morrisey) who happens to be accompanied by a 'Rose'. I reckon he doesn't find out till the end that this is ROSE TYLER in a regeneration.

Cue to this, I reckon that we MAY see Rose Tyler pop back through in a special after this, probably to point out to the Doctor (original) that his human counterpart has popped off in his shiny new tardis (It's canon that he was given a piece of the Tardis) and is causing a spot of bother. 10.5 will probably die, and Rose will continue to travel with the Original Doctor.

Well thats my Theory anyway, brought about mostly by Journey's End's weird end and spec.

The episode was broadcast about a week before you posted your 'spoiler'. I really don't see how Rosita could be "Rose in a regeneration" anyway, I'm pretty sure that 'journey's End' was the end of Rose's story.

Chad Sladerri says..."Why does every female guest star have to be the Rani? I almost wish they would bring her back just to end all this speculation every time a new actress is announced."Cheers. I've finally found someone who shares my theories about how bloody thick it is to keep thinking the Rani's coming back. First Anna Dexter (the Sinister Woman from Series 3), then Matron Cofelia (aka Miss Foster from "Partners in Crime"), and now Miss Hartiggan. SHUT UP!!! In my opinion, the Rani'll only come back if you stop thinking random future characters are her in disguise.

Next on the agenda..."Hi love the site but as it's in Victorian times it can't be Cybus Cybermen because they were created in 2007??."

"Watch past doctor who episodes! They are one of the doctors biggest enemies right from the start."Yeah, my theory is that these are the Cybermen from our universe, only (as they can travel in time) they observed the Battle of Canary Wharf and the forms of the parralel universe Cybermen are the forms that the original Cybermen take in the Christmas special. Also I've changed my mind about the title: "The March of the Cybermen". Like it? 'Cos I don't give a damn otherwise.

The episode's title has been revealed to be 3 words long. 'The Return of the Cybermen' was just a tag-line in the trailer, not the actual title. The title isn't being revealed however, because it's apparently too much of a giveaway, like 'The Stolen Earth'.

Those are some really heady questions about the Cybermen shown in the episode. I too have been wondering about where the heck they could have come from. I haven't seen every single episode of the classic stuff, but as far as I've heard from those who have, is that the Mondas (classic) Cybermen just stopped appearing in episodes without an actual "destruction" or "death".

So, the two most plausible theories I've heard are that:

A) The Mondas Cybermen came across wreckage from the Cybus Cybermen and adapted the technology, hence the new look.

B) Due to Davros' actions in Series 4, the Rift in Canary Warf reopened and the Cybus guys escaped. Of course the action of the episode didn't cover this happening, but I could see them tagging it on.

Aside from those two, I've heard some lame ideas too. Like "the Cybus guys were re-invented on Earth somewhere" or "some Cybus guys survived like in TW: Cyberwoman and they somehow got to Victorian England". My main idea is that the Mondas guys saw wreckage from Canary Warf or maybe just came up with the design on their own and look like the Cybus guys by coincidence. I just hope we're not gonna see any silly parallel reality stuff, cause that'd be as lame as a Star Trek Borg story.

I'd love it more if it were that the Cybus guys escaped and the Cyber-Shades/Wraiths are actually what the Mondas guys evolved into since the last time we saw them and now we got a Cyber-Civil War going on. :)

Although the Doctor meeting a future self (Morrisey) might be neat over seeing a past self.

i wish people would stop saying rosita is rose just cause it sounds similar there is no way rose could regenerate! im pretty sure rose's story has ended!ps i would also luv to see the return of the timelords

Suggestion: Maybe even the Tenth Doctor doesn't know if David Morissey's Doctor is a real future regeneration or a fake. His memories supposedly being wiped might account for failure to verify his identity telepathically.

I assume that the Cybermen are Cybus-men who escaped from the Void due to the events of TSE/JE, but weren't able to get back to the correct time due to [some technobabble].

As for the Doctor not matching the Cybermen's visual records, do we know for sure this line was aimed at the Tenth Doctor and not Morissey?

Interesting stuff. No point second guessing cause Russ is going to read all this and change it as he has done past most of the time. I am amazed. I watched since day one and it is great to see all sorts of different people of different eras , of different ages trying to find answers for the return of the cybermen. In the early 70's when the 3 day week was on and power cuts occured,the programme k-9 I could not see but managed too pick it up from bbc wales on a short wave reciever.In the mid 80's I watched doctor who played by Jon Pertwee on stage in manchester where I bought an audio tape which I do not have now on the origins of the cybermen.You people are amazing to do cloak and dagger and stealth to go to such lengths too get results which I want to know as well(spoilers).Hey who turned out the lights!

i was thinking.... and i don't know if this has already been said(i just scrolled right to the bottom) but, perhaps these cybermen, really are OUR universe cybermen, and they've been watching the earth, and they saw the cybus cybermen invade, and they thought, 'GOD they're making our style look cheap, we'd better copy their styles so we can get with the times' so they copied the cybus cybermens look, and thats why they say to the doctor: 'you do not mach cyberman visual data records. coz if u think about it cybus cybers hav seen the 10th doc so he DOES mach visual records

hang on, has anyone noticed, in 1st cyber shade pic,it looks like the cyberman face is juat a mask that has beenlike stuck on, so maybe it is a creature mutant thing with a cybermask to show it is a servant of the cybermen?

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this, but apparently rumors from a source from the doctor who team said that jenny will most likely be coming back in series 5, apparently the master (john simm) will be making an appearance and be in two of the specials, making one big whole one...and apparently the specials are probably meant to show the rest of the 10th doctor's life, to show how he met professor river song when she was younger etc. And then he'll regenerate after...But it could just be them bringing people's hopes up. And the cybermen are definately going to be in the christmas special. However we will all have to wait and find out.

david tennant is stayingif he was going it would be all over the newsjust watch the trailer and i swear you can see a dalek explodingmaybe it fell to earth or sumfin?or the cybermen are using stolen technology?

wat it says about "she cant be fully cyberised" there was an episode of torchwood were someone escaped halfway through being upgraded and was part human cyberwoman.but this has nothing to do with the christmas episode. come to think of it the cyberwoman looked a bit like rossita...but im probably WAY off the mark

I kind of think that lostdj might be right about the first doctor young theory, coz if he was a future doctor, he would then have to be cast. also, morrisey himself said he thought someone else (jimmy nesbitt) would be the 11th doctor

The real heart of it is the beginning: the Doctor arrives, hears a damsel in distress, the Doctor steps forward to save her... when this other man [David Morrissey] swings in, dashing, brilliant, amazing, clever, witty, saves the day. The Doctor says, “Who are you?” The man says, “I'm the Doctor!”

This is what russell t davies said isn't it? But wouldn't david morriseys "doctor" recognise tennants doctor as his past self???

I haven't heard anywhere that David Morrissey has confirmed he'll be playing the 11th Doctor, although all the evidence seems to be pointing to him at the moment - e.g. the timing of Tennant's annoncement, Terry Wogan letting it slip last week that the identity of the next Doctor will be revealed on Children in Need.

As far as I'm aware Morrissey has just said what was quoted above on this page - that he's playing "a man who believes himself to be a Timelord" in "The Next Doctor"

It's possible we'll know for sure this Friday whether or not he is in fact the 11th Doctor though.

Of course Morrissey's the 11th Doctor. Doctor Who is sci-fi and can get a bit timey-wimey and complicated, but even this show wouldn't have an episode called "The Next Doctor" and not include the guy who's going to be the next doctor.

I mean, it would be kind of retarded to have an episode called the Next Doctor with one guy and then bring out a completely new doctor introduced at the end of the specials.

about strange doc. his sonic screwdriver is much thinner ( upgraded) and he also says Allonsy, and mentions the TARDIS. so he most probably is 11th. or he could be in a parrelel universe, with another doc, but not petes world

he most defiently isnt the petes world doc regenerated. he has a human body, so it dosent regeerate. and even if they were going continue that storyline some time it would not be in the very next episode. he is most probs a con man

Oooh I can't wait til Christmas 38 days to gooo!!!!!!! i'll be glued to the telly when doctor who comes on..x I can always rely on Planet Gallifrey to give me details that i just can't wait for soo thanks nd well done..x hope the crew dont mind u spyin thou :P thanks again Much Love The Rose Tyle Double - Jess..x

pause the cin clip at 02.08 ish and you can clearly see that morissey is holding a normal screwdriver! and when he says ooh thats new, david tennant says ooh thats different, but they edited out his voice!

Timelords/ladies have been known to be able to have control of or influence their apperance when regenerating so perhaps doctor 10 chooses the morrisey doctor apperance. The reason could be some sort of tribute for some form of scarafice by the morrisey doctor.

In the planet of spiders? Jon Pertwee doctor there was a time lord whose next regeneration was present at the same time. So in theroy its possible for the doctor to have something similar happen.

Who?? the imposter doctor(the 11th doctor) played by david morrisey or the real doctor as the 10th doctor played david tennant it that you meant dinosaur77777 i think david morrisey is not the next doctor or he is or whatever.

I reckon that the other doctor used to be a human but tghe cybermen have made him think hes a timelord. the fobwatch picture sort of suggests that maybe they got hold of the doctors fob watch and used it on david morriseys character.

The earth had a human doctor because they are earth doctor(which is male doctor or female doctor as nurse) so if imposter doctor is a time lord doctor as gallifrey doctor and gallifreyan doctor that could confuss to the doctor the real doctor to know his future regenerations.

As far as I know The cybermen from mondas and parallel earth with cybershades cyberleader(mondasian cyberleader) cybercontroller(cybus cybercontroller) and Cyberking(the King of the cybermen) wants the 10th Doctor to Be destroyed.

"As far as I know The cybermen from mondas and parallel earth with cybershades cyberleader(mondasian cyberleader) cybercontroller(cybus cybercontroller) and Cyberking(the King of the cybermen) wants the 10th Doctor to Be destroyed."

Anonymous:just enough calling me doctor who spammer and it not real it just fiction because I mean in the Next Doctor not real life besides the cybermen from mondas and parallel earth are not real they are just Fiction Fiction!!!!

On 24 december as christmas Eve you would go to church to pray the God about jesus christ is going to be his 2008th brithday.

On 25th december as christmas day that is jesus christ s brithday you would watch Doctor who the Next doctor when Cybermen from mondas and parallel earth got revenge on the Doctor or Be deleted by cybermen But just joking if you miss it then go to BBCI player to look doctor who the nexy doctor and watch it.

26 december as boxing day you open the presents it a secret that will surprise you.Merry christmas(it just joking because I know it not christmas yet).

No one is safe in year 1851 because Cybershades and Cybermen from mondas and parallel earth is Destroying the Humans and Builds in victorian england ay victorian time would the doctor be destroyed by Cybermen And cybershades or The doctor would the world from The cybermen and cybershades at victorian times.

Besides the cybermen from mondas and parallel earth with cybershades may Kill Rosita and The Imposter doctor because that Way the real doctor did not regenerate any more New doctors from future.

To be honest I do not know about Miss hartigan or any female villains to be The Rani because it hard for women to be the Rani if she had a survive in The Time war.

Anyway I wonder Cyberking may be somewhere Besides Cyberleader had brain I thought it Cybercontroller but Cybermen from mondas and Parallel Earth with Cybershades I think miss hartigan would to become the Cybermen.

Merry christmas and Happy New Year(happy new year and merry christmas)I know it not christmas yet.

if David morrisey is the other Doctor maybe he kind of the 11th doctor but he still the imposter doctor(the future doctor)not real doctor and The cybermen from mondas and parallel earth may had spaceship to make Humans to be cybermen or humans get destroyed by cybermen.

The latest issue of Doctor Who Magazine has confirmation from Russel. T Davies that David Morrissey's Doctor is NOT a con-man, and the episode "focuses on why two incarnations of the Doctor don't recognise each other". There's also, a "quote, unquote" feature with a bit of dialogue saying "But you're the next Doctor...or the one-after-next, a future one anyway...".

Yeah the real Doctor is Disappointed because he doesn t recognise or know that the imposter doctor it hard to Understand about David morrisey is isn t the Next Doctor someone better wait until david tennant to leave the doctor who show at end of 2009 so can New actor will play the 11th doctor(the Next doctor known as the New doctor)on 2010.