I’ve followed the Yankees since the days of Mantle, Maris, Berra, Ford etc. Its a game, pure and simple, nothing more.

No zen, no secrets into the meaning of life, none of the crap dialogue from Bull Durham.

Get a life.

]]>By: wheels579http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/07/14/pete-rose-wants-ped-users-in-the-hall-of-fame-to-help-his-own-chances/comment-page-2/#comment-739696
Tue, 15 Jul 2014 17:47:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739696PED users are more deserving than Rose. You take drugs with the sole purpose of enhancing performance. Not so with gambling.
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Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:03:26 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739544Absolutely not!!! He broke the cardinal rule.
]]>By: sf1045http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/07/14/pete-rose-wants-ped-users-in-the-hall-of-fame-to-help-his-own-chances/comment-page-2/#comment-739471
Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:32:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739471Pete belongs in the HOF. His stats were not because of PED. Yes he gambled, but that did not have anything to do with Pete Rose “the player”. No one will put up his stats. This is why he belongs. Is he an ego guy, yes, but so is baseball. Recognize him for the baseball player and his accomplishments.
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Tue, 15 Jul 2014 03:05:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739364Steroids were part of the era, as wrong as they are you can’t change what happened in the past. Is it wrong? Yes. Does that mean Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa, Ramirez, Ortiz, Rodriguez should all not be in? Is it possible to say that Griffey, Pujols, Thome, Thomas used and did not get caught? Not sure where to draw the line on these guys, but I’m sure it’ll be drawn somewhere incorrectly.

Btw Pete Rose should be in the HOF too.

]]>By: wheels579http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/07/14/pete-rose-wants-ped-users-in-the-hall-of-fame-to-help-his-own-chances/comment-page-2/#comment-739304
Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:57:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739304Pete Rose belongs in the hall after he’s dead. His conduct over the last 25 years shows he believes he is bigger than the game, which is what led him to risk everything in the first place to break the only rule that could get him banned from baseball. He is without question worse than any PED user, and he does not deserve to enjoy the honor of being a living hall of famer regardless of his career accomplishments. Pete threw that all away believing someone would eventually relent and let him in. If that wasn’t the case, he would have spent the last 25 years showing contrition, which he clearly has not done. Let him in once he’s dead.
]]>By: sportsfan18http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/07/14/pete-rose-wants-ped-users-in-the-hall-of-fame-to-help-his-own-chances/#comment-739251
Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:16:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739251PED users definitely affect the performance of others.

you said it yourself. higher ERA, lower batting averages

how about this? players didn’t get out of the minor leagues and make it to the bigs and make the big bucks because of players on the farm who were using and did a bit better and got called up.

PED users kept some players from making the bigs or getting cut in spring training.

they flat out took money from players who chose NOT to take PEDS.

now I’m not for EITHER PEDS or gambling, but with words, we may slant anything anyway we want to.

did pete rose keep players OUT of the big leagues? which is worse?

they are BOTH wrong and they both did things that were not good for the game.

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:05:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739245Pete was heavily involved in the spread of PEDs in the game of baseball during the 80’s, actively encouraging his young players to get on the stuff, and sending them to a dealer friend of his to get hooked up. Pete Rose is part of the PED problem.

He also happens to have compromised the fundamental integrity of the game, which is an even worse crime.

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:54:27 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739241There’s no such thing as a magic pill that invests the taker with super powers. That garbage came from crackpot sports writers who just loved to pen holier-than-thou diatribes with no evidence whatever. They probably watched Popeye eat a can of spinach and throw a battleship, and thought it was real. So if an outfielder is bitten by a radioactive spider, he can climb to the top of the Green Monster!

Get real! Steroids build muscle, and that’s it. And they only do that if the player keeps WORKING OUT. How do you separate the (unproven) magical effects of steroids from the effect of getting and staying in top shape? It’s all about WORKING OUT.

The other so-called PEDs either increase testosterone levels making it easier to build/maintain muscle tone, or are amphetamines that help keep you awake and alert. Neither imparts magical properties that increase your bat speed, improve your hand-eye coordination, or give you better eyesight.

The bottom line is that the sports writers were blowing it out their butts, and combined with George Mitchell’s team of unrestrained investigators, created a witch hunt that threatened the game. Whatever you think of Bud Selig, he and Donald Fehr saved the game by installing a drug testing program that was largely unneeded, and sending Mitchell and his investigators packing.

As for Rose, he knew gambling was the third rail of baseball, and he bet on baseball while managing. When suspended, he had a chance for reinstatement, but he wasn’t anything close to contrite until recent years, but he still sells his autograph in casinos! He’s finally admitted his failings, and gambling at the level he indulged is a disease, so there’s still a chance for redemption, but he still needs to break with the casino appearances, and limit his paid autograph sessions to books and other special appearances, and give away an autograph once in awhile.

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:32:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739227You are right. PED users (and I don’t support them and their actions) primarily acted out of selfishness and affected their own performance, not others. (Well, they may have affected opponents’ ERA or BA but you get what I mean.) Gamblers, especially those with playing time authority, definitely affect others. What if I left that pitcher in because I had a bet he’d go 8 at least? What if he snapped his UCL two weeks later? Or how about I pinch hit for that rookie cuz he was tearing it up, and while I never bet my team to lose, I may bet the Under occasionally. The worst CEOs seek short term results at the cost of long term performance, and I can’t think of a better analogy to a manager who gambles than that.
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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:12:50 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739208Lying hippo-crate only cares about himself? Color me shocked. Why does anyone bother to listen to a thing that comes out of this jerks face. I swear he is worse than a bad house guest. Every time you think you are finally rid of him he says something else stupid to get himself more media attention.
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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:45:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739194

Pete Rose just wants his career recognized for the elite of the elite that it was, and whatever argument will help that he’ll latch on to. So what, so would any if you in a similar situation.

Do we mean HoF worthy, or like top 10 to ever play the game? Because the former may never happen*, and he’s definitely not one of the latter.

*Honestly, does anyone think he’d even make the requisite 75% of the vote if he were put up one last time, since he’s beyond the 15 year eligibility?

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:35:51 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739185Pete didn’t cheat.
Let him in.
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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:26:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739176Pete Rose just wants his career recognized for the elite of the elite that it was, and whatever argument will help that he’ll latch on to. So what, so would any if you in a similar situation.

How about we end it by rescinding the ridiculously long suspension and put Pete in the Hall, as he deserves, and then we wont have to argue about any of these sideshows anymore

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:20:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739167Pete Rose only cares about Pete Rose. Who cares what he says/
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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:16:45 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739163Stick to your guns baberuthslegs. Sincere sentimentality is a wonderful thing. I feel the same way and I don’t care how stupid or mawkish I look to the ‘clear eyed realists’. Hell, I am mawkish, stupid, delusional and proud of it.

You want some of that, tough guys?

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Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:07:56 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=529411#comment-739157Pete knowingly violated a sacred baseball rule that he and everyone who ever played knew about.
I don’t care about steroid users and if they get in or not. He shouldn’t ever be allowed in.
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