I saw this and I think they both are rated too low. The Seahawks have a lot of fun at Kaeperstank's expense, 50% of his 2013 INTs were to Seattle and that doesn't count the strip sacks he loves to give Seattle Linemen. But he handles most teams quite easily, even if it is on his legs.

I think CK should be higher than that. If Stafford didn't get picked so much he would much higher. That dude can pass like a machine.

The only concern I have and I mean only is that Bevell will get cute and pass even though Lynch is gaining yardage. 1/30/2015 - loaf

loafoftatupu wrote:I saw this and I think they both are rated too low. The Seahawks have a lot of fun at Kaeperstank's expense, 50% of his 2013 INTs were to Seattle and that doesn't count the strip sacks he loves to give Seattle Linemen. But he handles most teams quite easily, even if it is on his legs.

I think CK should be higher than that. If Stafford didn't get picked so much he would much higher. That dude can pass like a machine.

Kaepernick was overrated in 2012 and underrated in 2013. Not by the NFL Top 100, just general league impressions.

Matt Stafford has had good seasons, but I don't think any QB with a below median level passer rating should be anywhere near the top 100. Especially when he had all those weapons and his team finished 7-9 in arguably the NFC's weakest division last year.

Kaepernick I am okay with. His passer efficiency was similarly uninspiring, but on a team like the 49ers big plays win games, and Kaepernick is a big play machine. If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

kearly wrote:Matt Stafford has had good seasons, but I don't think any QB with a below median level passer rating should be anywhere near the top 100. Especially when he had all those weapons and his team finished 7-9 in arguably the NFC's weakest division last year.

Kaepernick I am okay with. His passer efficiency was similarly uninspiring, but on a team like the 49ers big plays win games, and Kaepernick is a big play machine. If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

kearly wrote:Matt Stafford has had good seasons, but I don't think any QB with a below median level passer rating should be anywhere near the top 100. Especially when he had all those weapons and his team finished 7-9 in arguably the NFC's weakest division last year.

Kaepernick I am okay with. His passer efficiency was similarly uninspiring, but on a team like the 49ers big plays win games, and Kaepernick is a big play machine. If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

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Man, I could have sworn this child said he wasn't going to be logging in anymore.

Now he's trying to make jokes. Go home, cry on your mum's shoulder and go to sleep young Trollwalker.

kearly wrote:Matt Stafford has had good seasons, but I don't think any QB with a below median level passer rating should be anywhere near the top 100. Especially when he had all those weapons and his team finished 7-9 in arguably the NFC's weakest division last year.

Kaepernick I am okay with. His passer efficiency was similarly uninspiring, but on a team like the 49ers big plays win games, and Kaepernick is a big play machine. If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

WE HAVE A NINER TROLL HERE

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Man, I could have sworn this child said he wasn't going to be logging in anymore.

Now he's trying to make jokes. Go home, cry on your mum's shoulder and go to sleep young Trollwalker.

I was until someone sent me a private message telling me you losers were still discussing me. So I had to come back for laughs. And I am not a troll at all. You guys are the ones trolling me.

kearly wrote:Matt Stafford has had good seasons, but I don't think any QB with a below median level passer rating should be anywhere near the top 100. Especially when he had all those weapons and his team finished 7-9 in arguably the NFC's weakest division last year.

Kaepernick I am okay with. His passer efficiency was similarly uninspiring, but on a team like the 49ers big plays win games, and Kaepernick is a big play machine. If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

WE HAVE A NINER TROLL HERE

GET HIM GUYS

Man, I could have sworn this child said he wasn't going to be logging in anymore.

Now he's trying to make jokes. Go home, cry on your mum's shoulder and go to sleep young Trollwalker.

I was until someone sent me a private message telling me you losers were still discussing me. So I had to come back for laughs. And I am not a troll at all. You guys are the ones trolling me.

I'm just happy you admitted going home and crying on your mum's shoulder. Well done.

To be honest, I think RW will be in the 30's or low 40's. He is a champ and one hell of a football player, but the national mediots probably don't think his stats and production are enough to justify placing him in the 20's or lower. Being in the top 30-40 still puts him in the top 2% of active roster players (53 active X 32 teams). Pretty impressive I think.

Sherman and Thomas should be ranked lower (higher?) on the list. Sherm is arguably the best corner in the league, Thomas pretty much the unanimous best FS in the game. Those two should be top 20 easily.

It'll be interesting to see where Kam is ranked in this list. I think he will be somewhere between RW and Thomas/Sherm.

kearly wrote: If a few things had gone a little differently Kaepernick might be a two time NFL champion in his first two seasons as starter.

Amazing

GREEDY PUNK PAUL ALLEN, THIS LOSS IS ON YOU."I don't give a crap WHAT you gotta pay, Kam is worth it and I don't want to lose a shot at another SB cuz you - a freaking BILLIONAIRE, are cheapskating Kam over a freaking $900,000.You cheapskate." SalishHawkFan SEP 13, 2015 1:47 PM

JGfromtheNW wrote:To be honest, I think RW will be in the 30's or low 40's. He is a champ and one hell of a football player, but the national mediots probably don't think his stats and production are enough to justify placing him in the 20's or lower. Being in the top 30-40 still puts him in the top 2% of active roster players (53 active X 32 teams). Pretty impressive I think.

Sherman and Thomas should be ranked lower (higher?) on the list. Sherm is arguably the best corner in the league, Thomas pretty much the unanimous best FS in the game. Those two should be top 20 easily.

It'll be interesting to see where Kam is ranked in this list. I think he will be somewhere between RW and Thomas/Sherm.

Isn't this list voted on by players only?

GREEDY PUNK PAUL ALLEN, THIS LOSS IS ON YOU."I don't give a crap WHAT you gotta pay, Kam is worth it and I don't want to lose a shot at another SB cuz you - a freaking BILLIONAIRE, are cheapskating Kam over a freaking $900,000.You cheapskate." SalishHawkFan SEP 13, 2015 1:47 PM

Yes. But they don't tend to have current information unless they actually play them or are division rivals. They're too busy actually preparing to play their next opponent in season to watch others unless they're out of playoff contention.

81 sounds right to me. He can be dangerous if used correctly but if they have to rely on him without the benefit of a dominant running game he becomes turn over prone. His numbers bare this out also. Most of the season they were pretty much winning in spite of being the lowest passing team in the league and when they tried to step up his passing to get back into the NFCC game against us he turned it over three times. He was also lucky he didn't have several other turn overs in the play offs. Multiple passes were inexplicably just missed or dropped.

He is still primarily a one read QB benefiting from Harbaughs system and has shown no reason to think he is learning to read defenses or even go through progressions properly.

Ask yourself how you think he would do without Harbaugh's system or if his O-line struggled the way ours did last year? I don't believe he would be anywhere near the top 100. Consider Boldin and Davis are a better combo than anything we put on the field last year outside the super bowl.

I think people would also give Kaep more credit if Harbaugh didn't take Alex Smith the the NFCC game his first year but that happened and so it raises the question of is it Harbaugh or Kaep. To me I think it is obvious.

JGfromtheNW wrote:To be honest, I think RW will be in the 30's or low 40's. He is a champ and one hell of a football player, but the national mediots probably don't think his stats and production are enough to justify placing him in the 20's or lower. Being in the top 30-40 still puts him in the top 2% of active roster players (53 active X 32 teams). Pretty impressive I think.

Sherman and Thomas should be ranked lower (higher?) on the list. Sherm is arguably the best corner in the league, Thomas pretty much the unanimous best FS in the game. Those two should be top 20 easily.

It'll be interesting to see where Kam is ranked in this list. I think he will be somewhere between RW and Thomas/Sherm.

Isn't this list voted on by players only?

Totally forgot that it's decided by the players. I honestly don't think it changes what I said, though. The players are going to be making their decisions with the information provided (talking head opinion, statistics, personal experience/belief).

I don't expect many players who play in the AFC East, AFC North, etc. to be able to assess many of the Seahawks players and how they compare to others that the national mediots drool over every week or they see on a regular basis.

Yeah....when they say stuff like that they are almost always talking about physical potential.

We can go round and round forever over whether or not Kap has the tools in his heart or between his ears.

Fact of the matter is tho that the 2 best ever in my mind (Montana/Brady) didn't have those physical tools.

It depends on the players dedication. If Kap goes the Randall Cunningham/Mike Vick route and not really dedicate himself till late in his career...it won't work out well. If he goes the Steve Young route and works his a$$ off to get better...there's really no limit.

Russell has already proved he will do the work. Kap is a workout demon...but we'll have to see how that translates.