Can you persuade children to say no to a life of crime?
Well that's what Rod Carter and Matthew Norford from Manchester are trying to do.

Rod Carter used to be a policeman and spent fifteen years tracking down criminals.
Matthew Norford. was groomed into a life of crime at the age of 13 and went on to head up one of the area's most notorious gangs.

They take hard-hitting stories into schools to help children make the right choices, and understand the consequences if they don't.
They took time out to speak to Lucy and Tony on Granada Reports.