I have the Phoenix. It pedals well, and handles nicely. It's not a sled. You can build them into the 35- to 38-lb range, the links are stiff as hell, low CG because all the heavy sus is built toward the bottom half of the bike. Got an AVA RC4 coming, and a cartridge damper for the Boxxer- excited about that. Craig understands the leverage curve on that frame, so I'm pretty stoked to try his speed-sensitive suspension on an already sweet setup. I've seen a few good deals online lately, dealers stocking too many bikes for the narrow market. Pivots aren't cheap. I'm a fanboy for Pivot, though...