Elisabeth Fosslien's Charts Will Make You Much Smarter In The Gun-Control Debatehttp://www.businessinsider.com/elisabeth-fossliens-gun-charts-2013-1/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:26:16 -0500Rob Wilehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5103fd426bb3f7d279000002Timi70Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:58:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5103fd426bb3f7d279000002
Same fact over & Over ! not even close to unbiased... Gun Hater ! LOL ! More laws Mean Nothing ! Criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW ! Thou shall not kill has been around for a while !http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f75c046bb3f7f52a000034Roger JWed, 16 Jan 2013 21:03:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f75c046bb3f7f52a000034
Virginia does not require a permit to purchase a firearm; Rhode Island and Michigan require permits for handgun purchases only, as does North Carolina. Get your facts right!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5fbc86bb3f7d61400000eKevinTue, 15 Jan 2013 20:00:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5fbc86bb3f7d61400000e
I would like to see the homicides by knives and other weapons in other countries.
In one of the most militaristic/police states in the world...
Teenager Kills 8 in China Knife Attack
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19091840" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19091840</a>
Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/knife-wielding-man-injures-22-children-china-064458804.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://news.yahoo.com/knife-wielding-man-injures-22-children-china-064458804.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5ad4069bedd621f000003elvis presleyTue, 15 Jan 2013 14:25:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5ad4069bedd621f000003
And, of course, "Detroit" is misspelled...twice.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59f7e6bb3f71f65000004Another NotherTue, 15 Jan 2013 13:27:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59f7e6bb3f71f65000004
And, at the same time, when one uses the context of the slides, which is the entire world, the nations with the highest gun ownership have the highest levels of murders by firearm.
Overall, I think this says that there are many factors involved in a decision to kill with a gun (some shown in the slides and many others not), and that no single perspective or approach has a good chance of working (reducing murder by firearm).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59ab26bb3f7455e000001RicoTue, 15 Jan 2013 13:06:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59ab26bb3f7455e000001
Every news article that I read or news broadcast that I watch and almost every commentary that I hear on gun control can't seem to get their terminology correct. They constantly throw around the word automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are already illegal in the USA. It is illegal to buy, sell, and possess automatic weapons. Yet criminals, specifically gangs tend to own and use automatic weapons. If weapons that are not automatic and use a clip or revolver or are chamber fed are taken away, do you think the gangs out there will give theirs up as well? There must be another way than to take away guns from law abiding U.S. citizens. Most technology can use a password system for security. Couldn't future guns be installed with a computer chip that needs a password to activate the weapon. That way if it is stolen, the weapon is unusable. If it is sold in the aftermarket, know who you are selling to (registration documents) and give them the password.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59946ecad04856e000006DecklapTue, 15 Jan 2013 13:00:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f59946ecad04856e000006
You are an intellectual coward..... If high capacity clips don't change the equation then why do they exist at all? You know why, I know why, everyone knows why. To increase the lethality of that weapon in a short period of time. End. Of. Story. That's all they exist for. Now of course you will lack the courage to acknowledge that in a forum like this but that speaks to the sickness in your soul rather than to the veracity of the statement The amount of time it takes you to change a clip when you are at ease firing at a range is irrelevant when compared to a live fire situation when bodies are going down, the stress isn't remotely comparable, you know that and if you don't know that then you have exactly zero business spouting off on the subject. What's REALLY telling about these people like jameusnvet is the comment he makes about how it might have been worse if the shooter had used a higher caliber round...... as if there are relevant degrees of slaughter to inflict on a child's body that somehow mitigates the extent of the tragedy. How you type something like that and live with yourself is beyond me and beyond the scope of people living in decent society. This is the insanity that leads these people to see a boogey man behind every attempt to minimize the social risks of guns, this is the kind of thinking that over time will not stand up to scrutiny under public debate because it has no reality behind it, no decency, no truth. These folks are crazy, crazy and sick as hell and time will demonstrate that to be true.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f58c9decad049258000005Jim SmithTue, 15 Jan 2013 12:06:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f58c9decad049258000005
see my post elsewhere in this comment sectionhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f58be369bedd624700000dJim SmithTue, 15 Jan 2013 12:03:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f58be369bedd624700000d
Regarding the 40% of firearm sales without a background check on chart 11 - That figure is incessantly quoted by the anti-guns folks with out providing any source for the statistic. However, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence references that statistic to a 1997 DOJ report (<a href="http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf</a> - page 1 or Table 8) that interviewed criminals serving prison sentences to determine where they got their firearms. In that study 39.6% said they got their guns from private sales or transfers from “family and friends” which didn’t require a background check. This begs the question - what are the scruples of the family and friends of a criminal? I don’t know what new law you could pass to close a loophole that would force likely witting family members or criminal cohorts to run background checks on other criminals when all the parties involved will probably ignore any relevant laws. Note, in the same study, another 39.2% said they obtained their guns illegally while only 0.7% said they got their guns from gun shows.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5789b6bb3f7281a000012hammermanTue, 15 Jan 2013 10:41:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5789b6bb3f7281a000012
ughh take some stats classes standardized data doesnt have context.
example: The condensed areas like IL, NY CA seem to be okay,,,but then u have louisiana where it's the only condensed pro gun area.
The the states that have less people then a large city people spread out in a state is 2 to 3 times the size of the condensed state makes sense. less people even with more guns still equals less gun deaths.
More people + more guns = more people using those guns for good and bad..it's just basic supply and demand
More people with less guns = less gun deaths
Less people with more guns = less gun deaths.
Less people with less guns = less gun deaths
So with the above statements we need less people to have less gunshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5710decad04751f000013NYCTTue, 15 Jan 2013 10:09:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5710decad04751f000013
I'm guessing that you are also critical of the numerous errors, the half-stories, the purposely ommitted data, and the over-generous use of biased and 2nd/3rd-tier references that are presented in these slides.
I have learned that both style and presentation are very important for exactly the reasons you probably mean, but I have also learned never to replace them for substance.
Which is exactly what is going on in these nifty looking slides -- style over substance.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5665becad04b90d00000dNYCGeographyTue, 15 Jan 2013 09:23:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5665becad04b90d00000d
Why does the media insist reporting inaccuracies on topics they deem to be critically important. Many of the inaccuracies may be "immaterial" but they do affect the conversation and understanding of issues, making it that much more difficult to address. A lot of them seem to arise out of laziness, or else you're just trying to mislead the public, often through omission. If you want to have serious debate and serious change, you as the arbiters are required to take your jobs seriously.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f560b9ecad04167f00001cover-educated economistTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:59:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f560b9ecad04167f00001c
The irony that BI will never catch on to is that your gun laws are _less strict_ than what New York will have next year. It's a hell of a day when we need to start envying continental Europeans for their gun rights.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f56039ecad041f7f00001aover-educated economistTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:57:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f56039ecad041f7f00001a
Do you honestly think people here walk around every day wondering if they're going to get shot to death? Get real.
The truth is this: mass shootings are insanely rare events. Most homicides involving guns are criminals killing other criminals. Unless you're in an inner-city ghetto, you're much, much safer on the streets of the USA than in Europe. We have FAR less violent crime.
Also, "the right to not feel threatened?" It's a fucking miracle you Aussies have any rights at all with that line of thinking.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55e8569beddc855000005dougaTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:49:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55e8569beddc855000005
what is your source for "40% of gun sales are private party, not subject to background checks"? I think this % is high and I do not know how it could be determined.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55dfbeab8ea936b00000fover-educated economistTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:47:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55dfbeab8ea936b00000f
Using that logic, the first amendment shouldn't protect radio, TV, or the Internet.
Thankfully, the second amendment clarifies what it's for: the militia. And militia weapons are, well, guns in common civilian use that would be suitable for militia service... like semi-auto AR-15s. It is neither common sense nor Constitutional to ban such firearms, and now that we have tje McDonald decision incorporating the second amendment on the states, AWBs are not going to be the slam dunk they used to be. _Especially_ if the court ever moves to the strict scrutiny standard, like they should. There's no public health crisis with rifles, period, end of story. The facts simply do not bear out that narrative.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55acd69beddb54d000001Brandon BertrandTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:34:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55acd69beddb54d000001
haha I agree! I can't believe that I did that. However, it is a shame that you are busy spell checking and unable to follow the intent (misspellings and all) of my comment. Truth be told I am also wearing mismatched socks right now too. Does that mean that everything I do today is wrong? But back to the topic, seriously do you really think in real world terms that taking guns away or restricting them will lead to less crime? Have you ever asked yourself why the only response by government in tough times is to restrict freedoms? BTW, I hear that our military has just made a new and improved 30,000 pound bunker busting bomb.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f555fd6bb3f71f5900000bdarryl strawberryTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:13:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f555fd6bb3f71f5900000b
So? And that's bad how?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f555a2eab8eab259000026KimCTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:12:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f555a2eab8eab259000026
Not to defend Portugal, but it seems that Elisabeth and Wikipedia disagrees on the actual amount (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country</a>)
Portugal is _ranking_ number 72 with an average of 8.5 guns pr. 100 capita. Same ratio as Ireland.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f553c6ecad04566900000bsherwyn schnellTue, 15 Jan 2013 08:04:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f553c6ecad04566900000b
you are right spaceman. I wish someone on the new stations would be brave enough to say it like it is.they seem to dodge the question when asked why we want such gunshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55214ecad04e06000002asherwyn schnellTue, 15 Jan 2013 07:56:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f55214ecad04e06000002a
and if all guns are taken away?
gasolene in a glass bottle will kill perhaps even more at a timehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f552046bb3f7a15200000eThe BombTue, 15 Jan 2013 07:56:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f552046bb3f7a15200000e
I read these inane stories to simply reinforce my belief that BI is a pathetically left leaning blog and not a serious news outlet -- as they proclaim themselves to be,http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f54908eab8ea8a4000000bEgbert S. from Berlin/GermanyTue, 15 Jan 2013 07:18:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f54908eab8ea8a4000000b
Slide Number 20 is not 100 percent correct. In Germany for example you need a permission to buy sportguns and/or rifles. This permission only allowed transportation of unloaded weapons in closed bags to a shooting range (sportshooter) or into the wood (hunter). For consealed carry a handgun every day you need another, special and stronger permission. But only a few people - mostly with very dangerous jobs (jeweller, private detectives ...) can get this permission. Without a permission you cant buy guns or ammo everywhere. ( o.k., only illegal).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5475d69beddc01500002esawyer50Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:11:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5475d69beddc01500002e
Oh and homicides are caused by guns? No their caused by people that are being manipulated by government so much, that they're starting to snap. If government would have thought of the people, we sure wouldn't be in such a bad financial predicament as we are today. Without money, there is 100 x more hardships. And because people are starting to snap, now is not the time to take any gun off good people.
Remember it might be the good person, that saves you from the bad person, that the government couldn't get the gun from!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f525186bb3f7607f000001moojhadoojTue, 15 Jan 2013 04:44:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f525186bb3f7607f000001
yes, but the next step is trying to get to the original intent of the founders by studying other texts and documents, and getting an understanding of the definitions that they used. you know, facts and evidence.
there is no evidence that the founders created the 2A with the intent to limit it in response to future technology.
you don't get to project your own opinion as to what the founders' mindset was into your understanding of the law. you're basically pulling things out of your behind at that point.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f524bd6bb3f7827f000002johnqpublic Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:43:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f524bd6bb3f7827f000002
Right. Your right to ``Multiple target shooting, speed shooting, sighting in your scope, being able to spend more time shooting and less time reloading at the rage''definitely trump our right to walk the streets and send our children to school without fear.
Children die, for your ``rights.'' There have been more than 700 gun deaths in the USA just since Newtown, barely a month ago.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f51eca69bedd8639000010TRTue, 15 Jan 2013 04:18:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f51eca69bedd8639000010
Man has been killing man with anything he could get his hands on since Cain & Able.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f513846bb3f7375b000013BelfortTue, 15 Jan 2013 03:29:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f513846bb3f7375b000013
I think you will find that the states with the highest % of gun ownership are also the biggest hunting states. Also, in these states it is not unusual to own multiple rifles - one for each hunting season.
I think the rest of her data shows that hunting rifles are generally not used in murders / mass murders. Of course, you could debate why that is but perhaps it is related to utility (harder to carry your rifle around for a car jacking) and education - before you get a hunting license you generally have to know how to handle a firearm appropriately.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5057c6bb3f7de3a00001ePercival StinkfingerTue, 15 Jan 2013 02:30:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f5057c6bb3f7de3a00001e
Uhhhhhhhhhhh, "Lanza model gun"? I've read tons of gun magazines but I've never heard of that one.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4ee32ecad04982600002fDenis FTue, 15 Jan 2013 00:50:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4ee32ecad04982600002f
The best way that you can protect yourself is by NOT owning a gun. If you want a gun for "fun" ... go ahead, but DONT buy it foor protection - they do NOT protect. Jurisdictions such as Australia can impose fines up to ten million dollars on gun shops selling firearms "for personal safety".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4e23decad04421500001eLugNutMon, 14 Jan 2013 23:59:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4e23decad04421500001e
I live on the near east side of Detroit and can vouch for what you say. Last July 4th, there was uninterrupted gun fire for over 1 1/2 hours. It literally sounded like a war zone; as in Omaha Beach on 6-6-44!!! You take out the major urban areas and these stats fall off the cliff. The problem is the culture and glorification of violence laced throughout; whether it be video games or movies. As a side note; what's the largest mass school slaughter ever in this country? Right here in Michigan in little Bath Twp. A school board treasurer who was upset at not being elected township clerk decided to blow up the elementary school with dynamite he carefully placed over a matter of several months.. He killed 38 children and 6 adults. The date; May 18, 1927. Guess we better start banning dynamite. BTW, what was it that Tim McVeigh used to blow up a couple of hundred people? Fertilizer. Liberals are so pathetic.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4dbfd6bb3f74c74000008Bill FoordMon, 14 Jan 2013 23:33:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4dbfd6bb3f74c74000008
One mans freedom is another mans prison.... Coming from an Australian, this is what you do to alleviate the stress of not knowing when either you or your loved ones are going to be gunned down: Ban private ownership of hand guns, automatic weapons etc and you only get to have a rifle if your work, industry calls for it / eg/farmer, pest controller, professional sports shooter. . you dismantle the gun industry and destroy all returned guns during an amnesty. also change you constitution to: every American has the right to not feel threatened by death by fire arm.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4da7decad04ab03000014What is this?Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:26:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4da7decad04ab03000014
Assault weapons? You must mean Defense Weaponshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d2f96bb3f73e65000008Denis FMon, 14 Jan 2013 22:54:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d2f96bb3f73e65000008
Given that the studies show that gun controls work (e.g. Neill et al), and given that the gun lobby is unable to advance any reason to object to gun controls (other than personal anecdotes and prejudices), and given that gun ownership makes one more than four times MORE likely to be shot and killed, and given that the constitution demands it, and given that every Republican Presidential nominee since Eisenhower has supported controls (of some form), then as a matter of urgency it is imperative for the safety of the people that it happens.
And to prevent further delays when legislation is required, we need to ensure that ALL lobby groups (including but not limited to the NRA) , are severaly restricted in ability to provide political donations (and other means) to enforce private commercial decisions , rather than those in the interest of the people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d297eab8eaeb3d00000bAndyKMon, 14 Jan 2013 22:52:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d297eab8eaeb3d00000b
Why can't people wake up and realize that ridding guns from the World won't do anything other than enslave those without guns.
The media pumps the information they want you to hear not the facts.
Choose Your Own Crime Stats
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0</a>
Best link for the uneducated anti gun person...after watching this video maybe you won't be so anti gun.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d1286bb3f7b85e000019nate2Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:46:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4d1286bb3f7b85e000019
Never allow your enemy to disarm you. Any fight, no matter how daunting, still offers you the chance to live another day if you still have your weapons. The agenda here is to disarm and then enslave. Just think, Obama took an oath to defend the constitution...LOLhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4cabdeab8ea5a2e00000aJasonKMon, 14 Jan 2013 22:19:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4cabdeab8ea5a2e00000a
Also, MI is incorrectly shown as ILhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c9fb69bedda472000016andre pintoMon, 14 Jan 2013 22:16:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c9fb69bedda472000016
the second board (Americans have realized the U.S. is an outlier — our rate of firearm possession dwarfs that of other countries) is wrong. If you check the sources, the "Average firearms per 100 people, Small Arms Survey" listed in the end, you will see, for example, that Portugal has only an average of 8.5 guns per 100 people and not 72.
It's a huge difference.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c444eab8eaae26000010Where to Begin?Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:51:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c444eab8eaae26000010
This is what passes for analysis? OK, where to begin. Page 10 - you assert a correlation, and show 2 points and draw a line between them. Great. How about showing the actual data, giving us a best fit line, and showing r-squared and an actual correlation factor? Is it strong? Weak? Does the line even fit the data? You can always pick two points and draw a line between them, and bingo! A correlation! Page 13. Your title is absolutely, dead-wrong. [Handguns] are also the most common weapon in mass shootings — though generally this category is dominated by automatic weapons. No. Absolutely not. First off, you clearly have no idea what an automatic weapon is. You assert that automatic weapons dominate this category - yet do not have them on your graph, at all. You label assualt weapons - this is a typical trick of gun control fanatics to attempt to conflate two entirely different classes of weapons. Automatic weapons have been illegal to sell, except under higly limited circumstances subjet to severe government controls since, oh, 1984. Assualt weapons, which is a ridiculous fear-mongering term anyway, are a class of semi-automatic rifles that look scary to the left and so there must be something inherently evil about them. If you want to try to make an argument, at least bother to get your facts straight.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c0e8ecad04ec54000005AeroSteveMon, 14 Jan 2013 21:37:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4c0e8ecad04ec54000005
The Mother Jones Data is basis and misleading. In effect not data but editorial.
The Atlantic data is based the Center for Disease Control information, which in part is focusing on the number of suicides (many of which are by firearms).
In fact about 2 of every 3 gun related deaths are suicides. Meaning all this gun control debated is addressing the wrong issues. Most gun deaths are self inflicted and require one bullet.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4bcf16bb3f7543c000002Scott BMon, 14 Jan 2013 21:20:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4bcf16bb3f7543c000002
I guess it's safe to say that whoever made these charts failed basic geography? The picture used for NC is actually VA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4b4f0eab8eaa17c00001bAntony DupuyMon, 14 Jan 2013 20:46:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4b4f0eab8eaa17c00001b
Why even bother reading this dreck? In slide 14 she represents North Carolina wth a picture of Virginia.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a14eecad04a41c000006Mr. RightMon, 14 Jan 2013 19:22:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a14eecad04a41c000006
The reason Holmes couldn't kill even more people was because his gun jammed. The only reason Loughner couldn't kill more was because he had to change magazines, allowing bystanders to tackle him. And why are the Lanza Holmes/Loughner models so popular with NRA gangsters if as you say, you cankill just as many children with a handgun? Maybe there's a reason these NRA members prefer high capacity magazines. Ask the Hindu shooter at the mosque. Or the Koreshians. Because it's EASY.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a1266bb3f7b90500001bjamesusnvetMon, 14 Jan 2013 19:21:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a1266bb3f7b90500001b
What is a Lanza .223? No such firearm exists.
And in my opinion a 100 round magazine is less dangerous then a 30 round magazine. You are MUCH more likely to jam with one of those big monstrosities on your firearm.
You make it sound as if nobody could EVER want to own a high capacity magazine for any other reason then to kill somebody. This on its face is just plan ridiculous. The VAST majority of those who own one of the (much likely a much higher number) 3.3 million "Assault weapons" that are in this country own 30 round magazines, they are factory standard. Yet the VAST majority of them don't hurt anybody with them at all. Multiple target shooting, speed shooting, sighting in your scope, being able to spend more time shooting and less time reloading at the rage are all reasons to own "high capacity" magazines.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a0f0ecad04a21a00000fPoliticalpaulMon, 14 Jan 2013 19:21:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4a0f0ecad04a21a00000f
Wow! I'm surprised thatthe country with the most guns has the most gun related incidents. I wonder if the nation with more cars has more car accidents - or if the nation with the most drunks has the highest rates of liver disease...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49f4f69bedd470b00000fjamesusnvetMon, 14 Jan 2013 19:14:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49f4f69bedd470b00000f
With a quick loader I can reload a revolver in under 3 seconds. A magazine with 10 rounds is just as quick to change out as a magazine with 30 rounds, if you practice you can change out a magazine in just about any semi-auto weapon in under 2 seconds.
As far as your semi-automatic weapons are military weapons comment. If semi-automatic weapons were ideal for military use then infantry rifles would be semi-automatic and not burst or automatic. But in large part, outside of side arms and marksmen weapons, semi-auto weapons are NOT suitable for military use.
Hell the VA tech shooter carried only handguns with mainly 10 round magazines, he had about 18 of those mags on him AND he killed more people then the Newtown shooter (The VA tech shooter killed 32 including himself). You don't need large magazines to effectively use a weapon to kill unarmed people. An assault weapon ban, or a magazine ban is nothing but a useless feel good gesture.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting</a>
Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:49 a.m., after firing 50 to 100 rounds.[47] He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty round magazine.
10 round magazines would not have changed a god damn thing, if he used handguns it wouldn't have changed a damn thing. In fact It could have been even worse had he only used handguns, at close range a .556 round is more likely to pass clean through a small body then a handgun round would, and round going clean through causes much less damage then a round that stays in the body. A .45 or .40 would do MUCH worse damage to a small body at close range.
The "assault weapon" and the magazine size bans being talked about probably won't save a single life, all that will happen is another non-banned gun will be chosen and they may reload a few more times.
Now if you want to talk about things that WILL save lives then let's. I support closing all background check loopholes, including private sales (these should be allowed but must take place at a gun dealer or sheriff office where a background check can be obtained prior to sale).
Also it took almost 15 minutes before the first responder arrived, that means he had 15 minutes of uninterrupted killing, at that rate he could have had a single revolver and killed as many as he did. Making schools a gun free zone advertises the place as an easy killing zone. There should be at least 2 people in different areas of a school who are armed in each school, preferably not the teachers or those who work with children on a regular basis. Janitors and administrators (probably vetted and trained of course) being armed would easily reduce the mass school shootings.
Just a few examples
<a href="http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html</a>
1997, assistant principal Joel Myrick used a handgun to stop school shooter Luke Woodham
1998 14 Year old Andrew Jerome Wurst Killed one person and wounded three others when he was confronted by James Strand who subdued Wurst with a shotgun and held him until police arrived.
and the list goes on.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49d7e69bedd5208000004African AmericansMon, 14 Jan 2013 19:06:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49d7e69bedd5208000004
Why are all the problem areas in major African American areas like Baltimore, Detroit, and Miami??? Hmmmmmmmm, can it be because the black youths role models are rap gang bangers. Can it also be that no father figure exists in black homes because black males are serial cheater and its so easy for black women to apply and receive child support and welfare?
Fathers need not apply. This country makes sticking around a suckers game. Why would a black woman stay with a man when she can get child support from 5 different fathers. This is the root of the whole problem.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4996aeab8ea834200000fMr. RightMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:48:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4996aeab8ea834200000f
And how many deaths were caused by the internet? Free speech? And when words kill people, what happens? We make that kind of speech illegal. Try threatening the president. Try advocating the violent overthrow of the govt. Try the old yelling fire...there are laws against some forms of speech, fighting words, slander, making bomb threats to keep your airplane from taking off. But when a gun can kill 27 children in 30 seconds, we run out and buy more. Makes sense in Paranioaland.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f497ee69bedde375000007Half HeathenMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:42:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f497ee69bedde375000007
These are interesting statistics, but they fail to tell any real story - and by no means do they support any effort to push gun control. For example, one chart shows the number of handgun homicides in the U.S. decreasing overe the last 30 years ("Frighteningly?" Really? I would think a decrease in homicides would be just the opposite). Mysteriously, the person who put theses charts together "forgot" to show that gun-ownership I(including handgun ownership) in the U.S. has increased over that time frame, indicating a negative correlation. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but it is very typical of how the pro-gun control advocates mislead by the use of selective statistics.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f496f9ecad04fb0800000cMr. RightMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:38:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f496f9ecad04fb0800000c
If what you say is true, then why does the NRA insist on 100 round magazines? I mean if you can shoot 27 children, some 11 times in 30 seconds with a .38, why do you need a Lanza .223? Or a Loughner/Holmes? I can't remember any mass killing that doesn't use these signature weapons.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f494626bb3f78a6c000004JOhn BarnesMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:27:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f494626bb3f78a6c000004
Face it. Most gun related deaths are gang related, and are done by people who are not permitted to legally buy guns. The cities with high gun deaths are cities with high gang rates. The gangs will have guns regardless of the rules. It is just a matter of permitting honest citizens being albe to protect ourselves form those crooks.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f493d1ecad04b07c000017bdbrMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:25:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f493d1ecad04b07c000017
If you look at the worldwide flow of illegal drugs, you will find that regardless of where they originate they now flow through Mexico (into the US). As that shift occurred, the murder rates went way up in Mexico. Follow the drugs, and you'll likely find most of the murders.
But those have been going on for awhile and no one cared. What people really care about are the mass shootings. I don't see how the two are related.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4936cecad049804000001ShankMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:23:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4936cecad049804000001
Notwithstanding that illogical nature of many of her charts, I especially like how one chart states that 68 mass shootings were done with "Semiautomatic Handguns" and she has a picture of a rifle. That about sums up how ignorant so-called experts are about this issue.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f493466bb3f7aa6a000020Libertarian AdvocateMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:22:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f493466bb3f7aa6a000020
@FactualThinking: Do you think the "Founder Fathers" envisioned, Radio TV and the Internet? Yet the 1st Amendment applies to each of those unenvisioned media technologies today, correct?
The technology is irrelevant. The Amendment stands as written.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49321ecad04b17c00000fbdbrMon, 14 Jan 2013 18:22:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f49321ecad04b17c00000f
A couple of missing data points:
1. Check out FBI data on the types of guns used in murders - 67% handguns. Think about this when you consider whether an assault rifle ban will significantly reduce murders.
2. I noticed Baltimore was one of the top murder cities in the country. They found in the vast majority of murders the *victim* has a long criminal record. Several other cities found similar results. It correlated to criminal records more than it correlated to race.
Maybe we just want to start with an assumption that we don't care about murder as much as we care about mass shootings. They are different issues. One occurs very frequently and mostly involves handguns in low-income neighborhoods (75% inner city and 25% suburb). That's most of the murders, and the one we middle-class people don't seem to care much about. If we just look at what we care about - those rare mass shootings which are extremely hard to predict - the problems and solutions are much different (and more difficult).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48c88eab8ea512600001cFocusMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:54:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48c88eab8ea512600001c
Nice job focusing on the important stuff. Not.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48b176bb3f75f5b00001fTiredProudAmericanMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:47:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48b176bb3f75f5b00001f
Most "common gun in mass shootings... Though generally this is dominated by automatic weapons" These charts are riddled with non-valid statistics. Automatic weapons are ILLEGAL to own with a couple of states being legal with a $200 dollar tax stamp and usually a one year wait (not including the price of the gun costing upwards of $15k) Like James said "Only 3% of gun crimes involve a rifle of ANY kind not just "assault rifles." CDC fact! Most people that put out charts and spew forth irrational tirades about being safe are living in a bubble. Lets BAN hospitals. They helped kill over 200k people last year alone for misdiagnosis..........http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48adb69bedd9f56000013Sandy Hook/batmanMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:46:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48adb69bedd9f56000013
Many people online are questioning Sandy Hook and the amount of feel good for gun control propaganda that came out of it. Like the little girl who just happened to write a letter asking Obama about his future gun policy and making suggestions of her own. Or the gun he used was in the trunk of his car.
A professor online started sensing something funny and wrote a time line and got lambasted for suggesting that they were "crisis actors" for a drill which by the way was occurring down the street ON the Same Day! I didn't believe it but I did the research.
Anderson Cooper even was forced to tell his viewers that these conspiracies are disgusting...."let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories"...(like the "known" ones that government stage events) George Bush in front of the UN..
And the Batman theater shooter waiting next to a white occupied car while the cops showed up to arrest him. Also he took a phone call just before he began shooting. How many lone gunman scenario's can one country swallow?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48852eab8ea4f1e000018spacemankermitMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:36:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f48852eab8ea4f1e000018
Your charts fail to include the gun deaths from countries that have entered civil war or are run by militarized police states... which, if you ask a gun nut, is one of the main reasons to own a gun.
Talk is cheap, and in regards to the gun debate is relatively futile. If you want to get rid of guns in America, you're going to have to take them. That's sort of the problem... right?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f487da69bedd0b4e000017Sandy Hook and Batman Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:34:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f487da69bedd0b4e000017
There are serious problems with these shootings. The batman shooting reported that the man took a phone call and then left through the exit. At the end of the shooting a police officer followed the trail of destruction where the shooter stood waiting with his hands resting on top of a white car with an individual in the car. WTF? Sandy Hook has been looked at too. There are serious questions there too. The gun that he used was supposedly in the trunk of his car (that by the way was registered to someone else) which is completely illogical. And script change followed. Originally it was stated that 4 handguns were found at the scene.
Then there were two people running into the woods from the scene. One was a parent. Who was the other?
Start doing the research yourself. Not all is correct or accurate but some of it is MORE than odd. Like the letter a little girl wrote to Obama describing her vision of future gun policy.
There are videos online too, questioning Gun Control period. In England and Australia, guns have been turned in and only the police have them. It has caused crime and home break invasions to escalate. They want their guns back because they said the politicians lied. They are not safer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4868e6bb3f7d956000001decklapMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:28:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4868e6bb3f7d956000001
What is the clip capacity of a double action revolver? You're being intentionally dense. The point.... the SOLE point of high volume clips in semi auto weapons is to mimic the rate of fire of a full auto without the float, so that you can get a lot of rounds out in a very short period of time without having to reload and increase the lethality of that weapon exponentially by retaining aim control on every trigger pull which makes it an ideal weapon for the military for whom it was designed, something your feeble minded example cannot begin to compare with. You folks who think *any* reasonable measure to limit the risks of highly lethal weapons are a "stepping stone" to some larger gummit CoNSpiraCY are sick... sick in you're hearts and in your minds..... there is something in this world that you love more than the safety of your children, that the burden of your soul. The rest of us, in time, will move you and society as a whole beyond your irrationality, just as we have done with a host of other issues. The dumbest and most frightened among us shall not lead us.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f484616bb3f76a50000007BookdocMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:19:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f484616bb3f76a50000007
You may want to do a chart showing the impact of CCP states. You may also want to do a chart that shows the violence in the strongest gun control states and cities (Chicago?) and the uselessness of Gun-Free Zones (unarmed victim zones).
I realize that the gun grabbers won't like the results.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4834ceab8eab811000021HmmmMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:14:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4834ceab8eab811000021
Homicide includes suicides. In the USA 2/3 of all gun homicides are suicide. Suicides will happen with or without guns. For instance Japan has a higher suicide rate then the US with almost no gun ownership. I wish someone in the media would point this out. The numbers look much worse if you use homicide statistics instead of murder statistic. Homicide does not equal murder.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f482f3eab8eac516000003jamesusnvetMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:13:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f482f3eab8eac516000003
A Double Action revolver can be fired about as quickly as an AR-15. 1 trigger pull = 1 round.
If you want to stop gun violence you have to remove ALL the guns currently held by the general public (not going to happen without a civil war). Banning 1 type of gun will never work, another type will be used by those hell bent on killing innocent people. An "assault rifle" ban is just a stepping stone to a Semi-automatic ban, which is of course a stepping stone to a total ban.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f482a969bedda64200001aTim FitzgeraldMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:11:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f482a969bedda64200001a
I would like to see the gun homocide statistics controlled for drug trading. I'd submit that the majority of gun violence is associated with drug prohibition. End prohibition and end the violence.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4829169bedd6342000025Ahhhh found itMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:11:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4829169bedd6342000025
"The greater inequality your state had, the more likely there were to be gun deaths."
The issue isn't guns. When you are dealing with impoverished areas, the issue is definitely not LEGAL guns.
The guns used in areas of "inequality" aren't assault weapons.
Thanks for blowing away the smoke screen.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f480d26bb3f7dc47000017elyaprojectMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:04:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f480d26bb3f7dc47000017
This is my first minute here and this is the first suprising share...I liked very muchhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47ff0eab8eaab09000010MK RobisonMon, 14 Jan 2013 17:00:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47ff0eab8eaab09000010
Where are the stats on non-gun violent crime by country, city and state? If you want to understand a problem you need to look at the whole problem not just a prejudicial slice.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47f7beab8ea900e000004internationalMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47f7beab8ea900e000004
Portugal has the second highest rate of gun ownership, but it's homicide rate is among the lowest (just below UK). <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47d59ecad04c959000003hammermanMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:49:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47d59ecad04c959000003
yeah in states where there are the fewest amount of people. I think this slide shows you the most pro gun states have the most deaths..Draw a line across the middle and we have another case of the uneducated south pro gun pro religon killing themselevs over some basic robbery or bs like that...
It's just fact that if all guns are harder to get legally..it' bottlenecks the blackmarket.
it's full proof, but we know that giving everyone that isnt legally insane or can pass a background check a gun is the worst idea.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47cd269bedda433000010Beltway DaveMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:46:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47cd269bedda433000010
Educate yourself:
<a href="http://www.assaultweapon.info" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.assaultweapon.info</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47c776bb3f73443000003patrick kMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:45:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47c776bb3f73443000003
This is the only time that gun control advocates love gang bangers. Without their murder rates there are virtually no charts. In the statistical trade is is known as lying by telling half truths. You will notice they never mention taking guns from criminals only law abiding citizens. That they assume will happen over centuries as less guns will be available to be stolen! LOL.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47c10ecad04af57000004clambogateMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:43:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47c10ecad04af57000004
Graphic #16 shows a military style rifle to represent a graph of a modern non revoler handgun.
Look at gun related homicides by city. See the top cities for gun homicide: New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark.
Do you want to know who and what is using guns for homicides in those cities? Gangbangers who are from the projects or ghettos.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47bb96bb3f72341000007StoneBoatMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:42:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47bb96bb3f72341000007
Not only are some of your pictures(handgun category pictures an AK) inaccurate, but data too, NY requires a permit to purchase a handgun, but Not all "firearms" like shotguns and rifles..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47b6aeab8eae77f00001aDavidUraniMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:40:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47b6aeab8eae77f00001a
I was going to say the same thing. There seems to be a huge misconception around people that I talk to and in the media about what a semi-automatic gun is. Most semi-automatic guns are just your every day pistol, i.e. the number one mass shooting weapon. Those are not assault weapons. The single most important fact you probably want to know for a gun control debate is what semi-automatic means, and also distinguishing a handgun from a rifle, and this presentation seemed to get it wrong.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47b1cecad04495100000ajamesusnvetMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:39:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47b1cecad04495100000a
In slide 16 why do you have the picture of a rifle next to "semi-automatic handguns"?
Only 3% of gun crimes involve a rifle of ANY kind not just "assault rifles" .
As far as the decrease in crime slide goes, crime kept sliding even after the assault weapon ban was lifted in 2004. Banning "scary" guns is NOT going to make you more safe.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47ad96bb3f7d23e00001aMr. RightMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:38:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47ad96bb3f7d23e00001a
Those would be the Lanza Signature Series, gun and the Holmes/Loughner special edition models. You know, guns that can shoot 27 people in 27 seconds. Or better yet, guns that can kill 27 kids in 30 seconds, shooting some 11 times. What the NRA Gangbangers refers to as good publicity. When hunting children, it's best to have at least 100 rounds because you know how kids don't respect authority.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47aa86bb3f7933c000031FactualThinkingMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:37:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47aa86bb3f7933c000031
I wonder if Anthony Scalia applies his "original intent" to the second amendment when gun technology at the time was a muzzle loader? The founder fathers had no concept of a bullets much less an assault weapon.
And I quote Mr. Scalia;
"What would a reasonable person living at the time of ratification have understood these words to mean?"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47a906bb3f7ee3e00000aNelsonMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:37:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47a906bb3f7ee3e00000a
Your guru made a boo-boo.
The silhouette of the first gun in Slide 16 is NOT a semi-automatic handgun. It's not a handgun of any type. It's another assault-type rifle.
Makes one wonder whether the intent was to mislead, influence or just present the "facts".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47a0aecad045d53000006Matthew SanfordMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:35:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47a0aecad045d53000006
I like how they have "guns used in massed shootings" and the number one item listed is 68 semi-automatic handguns... Which has a picture of an AK47 next to it.
I'd also be interested to see the same charts, only the X-Axis put number of pirates GDP. I think that if the US has the most gun deaths, we are going to stand out with "gun deaths" on the Y-Axis no matter what you put on the X.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47984ecad045f53000001RedwoodMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:32:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47984ecad045f53000001
Making everyone smarter...yup. North Carolina totally looks like Virginia and who doesn't get Michigan confused with Illinois. (Slide 11) Details who needs um. Makes you wonder what else is inaccurate?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47922eab8ea617d000004DanFromColoradoMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:31:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47922eab8ea617d000004
This article is very misleading, it includes suicide by firearms in the "homicide" rate. Look at the numbers that do not include suicide and the picture is very different than what was represented in this one sided article.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4784ceab8ea5378000012NateMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:27:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4784ceab8ea5378000012
Slide #2 - says US homicide deaths are an outlier, but show a graph of gun ownership per 100 people.
#16 - the picture for "Semiautomatic Handguns" is an M16 variant rifle.
#17 - "...possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles". Assault rifles are not semi-automatic. They are selective fire and heavily regulated.
Slides 10 and 13 seem to contradict each other. I see a lot of dark states on the gun ownership picture that are very light on the firearm murder picture.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4783b6bb3f76438000009ChairborneMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:27:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4783b6bb3f76438000009
So intellectually dishonest.
Here is the elephant in the living room. Black males between the ages of 15 and 60 who make up barely 4 percent of the population have been responsible for almost 50 percent of the murders in the last 30 years. In fact, if you back out he murders committed by blacks and Hispanics, the rate for non Hispanic whites is much closer to that of Europe, even though they have many times as many guns.
You can see this in the chart of states with high gun ownership vers states with high gun crime. West Virginia, Maine, Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Nebraska are large majority white states with high gun ownership yet their crime rates are the lowest on the map.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f477d269beddb12b000001Where are Rand Paul's delegates?Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:25:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f477d269beddb12b000001
Threw?
Thanks for confirming the stereotype, YET again.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4779169bedde627000027TheFree_LanceMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:24:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4779169bedde627000027
Why is a semi auto rifle pictured along side a metric on semi auto handguns? (slide #16)
Does the author not understand the difference?
Also, fully automatic assault rifles have been banned since 1986, so I am not entirely certain what "assault weapons" refers to.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4776269bedd5a2800000eTheWayItIsMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:23:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4776269bedd5a2800000e
Gotta love slide 16. Shows an illustration of an "assault rifle" for "semiautomatic handgun" statistics, attempting to add to the "scary black assault rifle" hysteria. Author and illustrator immediately lose credibility if they cannot distinguish one from the other.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f475a4ecad045c48000013Bubba ShawnMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:16:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f475a4ecad045c48000013
I want to see the chart showing the number of Senators who voted for gun controls and were voted out of office their very next election.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4747fecad045b48000009mlambMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:11:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4747fecad045b48000009
Exactly.
According to this presentation, there are ~3 gun homicides per 100,000 people (.003%). How many of those 3 are non-gang/done with legally registered guns?
Also interesting is that they highlight Oakland, NOLA, Newark, Baltimore, and Detroit as having high gun violence rates. The next slide shows that both CA and NJ require permits to possess a firearm. Looks like it's working (sarc). I can tell you firsthand that a gun ban will do nothing to lower crime in Newark, NJ.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4734a6bb3f7762f000021Brandon BertrandMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:06:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f4734a6bb3f7762f000021
Slide number 10 is by far the most interesting. Strange how the states with the highest % of gone ownership have the lowest levels of murders. With the exception of LA (state) of course. Since the hurricane devastated that area crime has been threw the roof.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f472a4ecad041242000012JUSTIN MASONMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:03:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f472a4ecad041242000012
Utter giberish.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47239eab8eab36a00000eThe BombMon, 14 Jan 2013 16:01:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50f47239eab8eab36a00000e
Interesting carts. Do we know how many homicides in the U.S. were committed with legally registered guns as opposed to just all guns overall? My guess is that if you just looked at legally registered guns, that number would go way down.