Just picked up an old Standard Arms rifle in .30 Rem Rimless and I need some load data. I can't find a thing in any of the currrent manuals but I found a referance to some data in the Speer No. 8 which I don't have anymore. I would appreciate any info anyone might have.

The .30 Remington is basically a rimless .30/30 Winchester. If you can't find specific data for this caliber, the .30/30 data is interchangable...but of course that does not mean that some listed loads may be too hot. I would proceed, but with due caution---as always.

Standard Arms operated off & on from about 1909-1914 located in Wilmington, Delaware. They produced two different models of rifle. The Model G Autoloader (which could be operated as semiauto or slide action) and the Model M which was slide-action only. The Model G holds the distinction of being the first gas operated rifle made in the USA. Today this rifle in excellent condition could be worth about $400-$475.

Thanks Steven and Tom. Great Info. Steven, I really appreciate the historical data. This was my Grandfathers gun and it is in very good shape. I would Like to shoot it and have ordered some brass and Dies.
If you come across any thing else on the rifle I would be very interested...especially any info on disassembly of the upper reciever( bolt, operating rods, etc). I have posted to Harly's board but no reply yet.
Tom, The Win data sounds typical doesn't it? I guess thats why I never try to cook up my own loads.
Thanks again Guys
Pete

Winchester's data limits the 30 Rem/170gr to 30.0 grains of Win 748 (2000fps), way below what every other book I own list for 30-30 data (Hornady Vol II went as high as 34.4).

Winchester's data for the 30 Rem/170gr was 35.0 of Win 760(2095fps), more in line with other sources (highest from other sources was 37 grs with normal primers, and 33.5grs with magnum primers.)

Win's data for their 748 powder seems conservative, but if there is a reason for a limit they have a way of finding it. They test muzzle up/down, +140F/ -40F, never exceed 95% of SAAMI at 70F, 110% of SAAMI at other extremes, etc, etc...

I don't think you'd be taking any chances if you fed your heirloom a diet of their loads.

Thanks Tom,
I'll add that to my data base. I would like to load very conservatively for the old gun but it's a gas operated autoloader and based on some info from another reader I may have trouble getting it to cycle.. we'll see .

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