mirazh1976:What I don't get is why people assume just because someone who is not of the same race or ethnicity that they cannot comprehend or explain how a race other than their own feels over particular issues.

No matter how hard you try, you'll never fully understand someone else's plight. It's actually pretty damn offensive for some hateful Fox News harpy to come along and tell you she knows you better than you.

And I find it hilarious that you're defending Ann Coulter and talking about "unity." Coulter is one of the most divisive hateful teabaggers in America. She regularly writes books about how liberals are "traitorous demons" nshiat.

Popcorn Johnny:Whoopi had nothing of any substance to refute anything Anne had to say.

Therefore Coulter was right? If stumping Whoopi Goldberg is the standard for 'truth', you have a pretty low standard. Coulter said the Southern Strategy was a myth. That doesn't really need to be 'refuted', it is abject BS.

The point where she went from being a dishonest biatch to a lying c*nt was her bullshiat about Dixiecrats.

She acts as if Dixiecrats were mainstream Democrats. THEY. WERE. NOT.

Dixiecrats earned their name not because they were Democrats who just happened to have been from the South but because they were Southern Democrats WHO BOLTED from the Democratic Party whenever the party pushed for equality and civil rights for all Americans, regardless of race or color.

Take the 1948 presidential election. The Dixiecrats DIDN'T vote for the Democrat. They voted for Strom Thurmond (who became a Republican once that party eagerly courted the bigot vote).

And, Coulter's saying that the Southern Strategy never happened is just absurd. Who the hell falls for her nonsense? I have my suspicions, but I'm hoping someone will come up with an hypothesis that isn't quite so...damning as the one that seems obvious to me.

I admit it. I watch The View and I specifically enjoy it when Whoopi is on. She usually has some sage advice that it not always left wing. I think people would be surprised. She can't stand Chris Christie (says she lives in Jersey) and said she's not gonna vote for Romney on Twitter (especially after the 47% statement).

The aftermath of the flood was one factor in the Great Migration of African-Americans to northern cities. During an era in which racism was commonplace, blacks built levees at gunpoint, starved in refugee camps and many were left to fend for themselves during the flood, while whites were rescued.[5] Previously, the move from the rural South to the Northern cities had virtually stopped. The flood waters began to recede in June 1927, but interracial relations continued to be strained. Hostilities had erupted between the races; a black man was shot by a white police officer when he refused to be conscripted to unload a relief boat.[6][7] As a result of displacements lasting up to six months, tens of thousands of local African-Americans moved to the big cities of the North, particularly Chicago; many thousands more followed in the following decades.[8]

The flood propelled Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover, who was in charge of flood relief operations, into the national spotlight and set the stage for his election to the presidency, but indirectly contributed to his defeat four years later. The flood also aided Huey Long's election to the governorship of Louisiana in 1928.[9]:408-409, 477, 487 Hoover was much lauded for his masterful handling of the refugee camps, but later concerns over the treatment of blacks in those camps caused him to make promises to the African-American community which he later broke, losing the black vote in his reelection campaign.[9]:259-290, passim Several reports on the terrible situation in the refugee camps, including one by the Colored Advisory Commission by Robert Russa Moton, were kept out of the media at Hoover's request, with the pledge of further reforms for blacks after the presidential election. When he failed to deliver, Moton and other influential African-Americans helped to shift the allegiance of Black Americans from the Republican party to Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the Democrats.[9]:415

The flood resulted in a great cultural output as well, inspiring a great deal of folklore and folk music. Charlie Patton, Bessie Smith, Barbecue Bob, and many other blues musicians wrote songs about the flood. Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie's "When the Levee Breaks" was reworked by Led Zeppelin, and became one of that group's most famous songs. William Faulkner's short story "Old Man" (in the book If I Forget Thee Jerusalem) was about a prison break from Parchman Penitentiary during the flood. Several decades after the flood, Randy Newman wrote the song "Louisiana 1927," Zachary Richard wrote the song "Big River," and Eric Bibb wrote the song "Flood Water" about it.

I am neither a democrat or a republican. I am a commonsenseian... When all parties going in are expecting a fight, nothing good will come from it. More division. More labels. More living in the past. While one party that is owned by rich white old dudes cries that a "mooselim" is running the country, the other party that is owned by rich old white dudes says we are for equality of all races..... as long as they live in a different neighborhood. Either way, rich old white guys win. That is just the way they want it.

Basically, what Coultergeist is saying is that since the OJ verdict removed the sense of 'white guilt' from American discourse, that must mean that people voted for Obama because they felt he would've made a better President than John McCain would've, right?

Noam Chimpsky:Exactly, and he's more popular than all the white male Democrats put together. So why are there so many white male Democrats in positions of power and why don't they move aside to make the party's politicians more representative of its demographics?

Cause politicians stay in office forever. As the old crusty white dudes die off, they will be replaced with a rainbow hue of awesome... Things like demographic shifts take time to work their way up. But the Dems are on it, no worries.

Noam Chimpsky:The thing I don't understand is why blacks aren't insisting on more jobs as Democrat senators and as other Democrat politicians? How can you even justify any heterosexual white male Democrat politicians when there are so few heterosexual white male Democrats? It's a hell of a trick those sneaky white guys are playing on minorities over there.

Umm... you might not know this, but the highest ranking Democrat in our country happens to be a black dude.

I saw this as it happened, Whoopi very much had that whole "don't make me choke a biatch" look. Coulter was trying to argue that discrimination was all the fault of liberal southern democrats and no one else. It was the most astonishing display of willful ignorance I have seen this election season. was hoping Whoopi would beat her ass and they could put that shiat on pay per view.

I got through about half of it while reading this thread so I didn't have to look at Coulter. I'd like to see a transcript so I could break down the false assertions.

All I got from that was "Liberals are the real racists", "Republican policies in NY saved thousands of black lives" and "White guilt prevented juries from convicting even obviously guilty black people until the OJ Simpson case".

Why? She's just so full of anger and hatred I think it would be fun to blow a load in face and/or toss it in her ass for some surprise buttsecks.

You can judge me. I don't care. I would savage that ass and I would enjoy it.

I kinda suspect she's one of those cases where she's a coont to all who meet her, but if you brave it out and do said deed she gets all sweet and kinda klingy, simply because nobody is ever willing to put up with her for a whole night. So yes, you will get breakfast out of the deal.

Don't you see? If there's one thing I've learned from Conservatives, it is that there is no such thing as indifference, or normal levels of like or dislike. Everything is either abject worship or full-on odium.

And doing so correctly.and as usual... no one really has any facts or actual rebuttals to what she's saying.Mainly... they just don't want to hear it & start insulting instead. (case in point.. every fark thread ever on Ann Coulter)I'm not her biggest fan but the reactions to her "inconvenient truths" are quite amusing :)

You may want to put the bong down and open your eyes once in a while. Every time she puts out a book, the reviews that follow (the ones not from WND, Townhall, Red State, or the other sites that give away her books for free) point out numerous errors. Every damn book, every damn time.

She's not a bad person because she holds political views different from mine; she's a bad person because she uses demonstrably false "points" to "support" the crap she uses to whip up frenzy from her fans as well as her not-fans.

You're only pointing out your own ignorance when you say nobody's ever rebutted her lies.

And doing so correctly.and as usual... no one really has any facts or actual rebuttals to what she's saying.Mainly... they just don't want to hear it & start insulting instead. (case in point.. every fark thread ever on Ann Coulter)I'm not her biggest fan but the reactions to her "inconvenient truths" are quite amusing :)

Oh, please STFU.

This is the biatch that said of the wives of 9/11 victims that she'd never seen anyone enjoy the deaths of their husbands so much:

She's an absolute shiatstain on humanity. She sees innocent people getting killed by terrorists as an opportunity to make money by writing incendiary screeds designed to pit Americans against each other.

If she'd been alive in 1941 she would have been writing articles about how liberals were to blame for Pearl Harbor.

She's a vile human being, and you think she's "amusing?". That says a lot about you.

It's truly hilarious, albeit a little frightening, to listen to conservatives talk about how the Republicans were the big champions for blah folks. It ended with Roosevelt, you morons. The big Miz-zipi flood of the late 20's right before Hoover was elected in '28. The GOP abandoned the poor Southern blacks, and the Dems courted them. Then Truman integrated the armed forces in '48. Then Johnson signed the '64 civil rights act. Then Strom and all the boys headed for the GOP's big taint..er..tent...Southern Strategy a myth? I moved from the DC suburbs of NoVa to Raleigh in the late 80's. Jesse Helms campaign against Harvey Gant in 1990 was classic. The 'hands ad'. Oh...and then there was Willie Horton courtesy of Lee Atwater in '88 against Dukakis. Among hundreds, if not thousands of other examples, of course. Coulter is a typical conservative revisionist apologist. What she spouts is total crap.

Lionel Mandrake:chumboobler: I am neither a democrat or a republican. I am a commonsenseian... When all parties going in are expecting a fight, nothing good will come from it. More division. More labels. More living in the past. While one party that is owned by rich white old dudes cries that a "mooselim" is running the country, the other party that is owned by rich old white dudes says we are for equality of all races..... as long as they live in a different neighborhood. Either way, rich old white guys win. That is just the way they want it.

Im not seeing many Romney stickers are you ? And Im down south, where all the Hicks live. Still no Stickers O.o

ExperianScaresCthulhu:b) There are cultural difference between New Mexico's Spanish/Old Spain descendents, spanish-speaking Indians, and the mestizos who speak spanish but are not considered the 'purer' Old Spain spanish. Those differences used to be much more pronounced than they are now, but they are still there.

What exactly is you point? OF course there are differences... And they are ALL flocking to the DNC in droves, and who can blame them?

ExperianScaresCthulhu:c) The Republican governor is a hispanic woman who had no roots in the state, and whose commitment to the issues of the state were questioned due to the out of state interests backing her. She beat the anglo woman who had been an extremely loyal Democrat during her terms as lieutenant governor. The night of the election, the hispanic flavored hip hop station announced the results of the election.

The reaction ... it was the equivalent of if Colin Powell had won the Presidency, I'll put it that way. What does that say?

Susana Martinez won due to anti-Richardson backlash. Im a Dem, and strongly disliked Richardson. Still, what's that? ANOTHER Hispanic Democrat (Richardson) in a position of power? Hrmmmm...

And Martinez, while a Republican, governors from just the right of center fairly often. NM Republicans are often not strong in the Derp (Thank ALL the Gods for that one!)

I'm white and I'm liberal, and I have a buttload less to feel guilty about than Ann does. She has a lot of vile, hateful, vicious things to answer for. I'm pretty sure that she, and most of the other fake "Christians", don't actually believe in their theology, because otherwise they would be terrified as hell that God might hold them accountable for their lying treachery.

Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillips' political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic Party, particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican Party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute the emerging majority. This even leads him to support some civil rights efforts.

"Maintenance of Negro voting rights in Dixie, far from being contrary to G.O.P. interests, is essential of Southern conservatives are to be pressured into switching to the Republican Party-for Negroes are beginning to seize control of the national Democratic Party in some black-belt areas," he writes.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:What is there to eyeroll about? Your own statement above is similar to what blacks were told by whites (some of whom called themselves allies trying to help) post-Reconstruction through dawn-of-Civil-Rights-era. It is also similar to what women of color were told by white women throughout the gestation and birthing of the suffragist movements and women's lib. It is also similar to what transexuals are told by both homo men and lesbian women in the Alphabet Soup battles for Recognition, Marriage Equality and Beyond.

The Democrats are not on it. A fire must continually be forced beneath feet. The other part of your comment above is that such shifts have a way of going in .. unintentional .. directions, which only seem out of nowhere. Democrats have made a mistake in treating the varied issues of Hispanics as though from one monolith group, and they will pay for it if they continue to sleep on it.

That is something to be concerned about, is it not.

Nope, not really. The demographics of the democratic party ARE shifting, as are the demographics of the leadership (The Pres is BLACK yo! Most of the Dems elected in the state of NM are of Mexican and hispanic decent... it's like THEY KNOW)

eraser8:The point where she went from being a dishonest biatch to a lying c*nt was her bullshiat about Dixiecrats.

She acts as if Dixiecrats were mainstream Democrats. THEY. WERE. NOT.

Dixiecrats earned their name not because they were Democrats who just happened to have been from the South but because they were Southern Democrats WHO BOLTED from the Democratic Party whenever the party pushed for equality and civil rights for all Americans, regardless of race or color.

Take the 1948 presidential election. The Dixiecrats DIDN'T vote for the Democrat. They voted for Strom Thurmond (who became a Republican once that party eagerly courted the bigot vote).

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And, Coulter's saying that the Southern Strategy never happened is just absurd. Who the hell falls for her nonsense? I have my suspicions, but I'm hoping someone will come up with an hypothesis that isn't quite so...damning as the one that seems obvious to me.

What I don't get is why people assume just because someone who is not of the same race or ethnicity that they cannot comprehend or explain how a race other than their own feels over particular issues.

We need more understanding and less victimization in this world.

It's like you must only have a certain mindset or affiliation in order to lay claim to know how x group feels. When clearly that is not the truth even when claims my be spoken by someone of their own ethnicity. And since this is the case, then fark what is the use to assume you know right from wrong? What is worth in learning anything from anyone and sharing that knowledge in front of others.

Only to be rebuffed because you are not a part of the ethnicity you talk about?That is ridiculous and only promotes division of people.

To assume someone of another race cannot speak about what people of another race may feel is in and of itself contributing to racists bias. And NOT promoting unity.

And for those who could not keep their heads straight for 5 seconds can clearly hear in this video, that Ann was talking about perceptions and efforts of the White people. While attempting to put forth historical notes in front of all these hens squawking away.

I don't follow Ann C by any means, but she has a lot more courage than any of these ignorant haters out there, that is for sure. Nobody owns the monopoly on understanding within their own race, not Ann, not Whoppi, or Whoppi's grandmother.

Time is infinite.And you with your sliver of life experience will never trump other peoples identity, both now, in the future and of the past. Grow a farking backbone people.

Why? She's just so full of anger and hatred I think it would be fun to blow a load in face and/or toss it in her ass for some surprise buttsecks.

You can judge me. I don't care. I would savage that ass and I would enjoy it.

I kinda suspect she's one of those cases where she's a coont to all who meet her, but if you brave it out and do said deed she gets all sweet and kinda klingy, simply because nobody is ever willing to put up with her for a whole night. So yes, you will get breakfast out of the deal.