Missed your post earlier today Dogfish... sounds like you have the fever also. The Patriot is a less expensive version of the Crow Magnum and given the price is probably the wiser purchase. At 62lbs. cocking effort I am guessing you are helping the boys in their plinking.

I have two cannons also and have shot plenty of projectiles but never a gong at three hundred yards. How big is this gong and how many shots do I get?

Way in highjacked territory now.

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Back on Subject, Pellet Guns, BB Guns, whatever, are considered to be "firearms" by the powers that be in Washington State.

So technically, they need to under adult supervision until they're 18.

The plus side is that with air rifles, they're a lot less likely to be caught due to all the racket a .22 would make, as I found out as a lad growing up in Rural Western Washington.Besides, when they're out wandering around in the woods with the dog and a deputy comes tearing down the logging road, they'll wont get in as much trouble when they throw it in the pond as opposed to Dad's antique Winchester.

Oh and one more thing: Don't fvck with Crows. They'll remember your face and come to harrass you outside your window at 4AM EVERY morning.

I am also searching for pellet gun laws. I want to be aware so that I won't have any violation with regards to carrying firearms. I don't wanted to end up in chaos just like what happened to Sen. Lori Klein. She aimed a filled handgun to the upper body of paper reporter Richard Ruelas. The safety was off and the laser sight was on, states the Arizona Republic. Here's a proof: Arizona Sen. Lori Klein points loaded .380 Ruger at reporter.

Everytime I shoot pellets and BB's with my two boys I expect the PoPo to come around the corner at any moment putting us into the felony stop position because some neighbor saw GUN!!!!!

We back up to the flats in Marysville, so we have a pretty safe area to shoot.

Plenty drawings of Justin Bieber have been peppered by my 12 y/o daughter.

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That was a cool video...my uncle used to let me take down his nuisance bird population often.

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Since this resurected thread is getting steady attention, maybe I can get some assistance. I've been toying with the notion of buying a pellet gun, but was over whelmed by the price ranges. My assumption is that accuracy probably correlates closely with price. If that's true, how much would it cost to buy a pellet gun that can hit a 4"x4" target at 50 yd?

I noticed that almost all the pellet rifles come with a scope, yet the price of the combo seems very low for even a half decent scope alone. So are the scopes just cheap POS?

And maybe I shouldn't get one, cuz other than an occasional nuisance bird, I'd probably use it to shoot the pet deer in the butt trying to train them to not eat the flowers. But that would probably just train them to come eat them at night when I'm sleeping.

A good spring/piston rifle isn't something you want to use to shoo nuisance deer, as they have 'nough oomph to do some damage. I've swatted starlings out to 90 yards with mine and taken home roosting bandtail pigeons and squirrels with ease at 30.

Like most things in life, extra $$ will get you something that pushes a quality pellet through a match grade bore at a utilitarian velocity with a negligible standard deviation which equates to accuracy worthy of some good glass to launch same with precision. Scopes need to be specific to air rifles as the vibration of a s/p can damage less hearty varieties and parallax needs accounting.

With care, a quality rifle will also provide enjoyment for several generations hence. Once purchased, they are both inexpensive and a joy to shoot at either paper or vermin. The Germans make some serious break-barrel spring/piston offerings. Mine is a Feinwerkbau 124 in .177 that is well over 30 years old and still splatters flies wandering across a target at 20 yards. The newer pre-charged bottle guns are intriguing but have their quirks. Check out Beeman and other airgun sites. The only difference betwixt men and boys....

For your deer, a paintball marker might do the trick, and put a grin on your face. An old Tippmann 98 is easily cleaned-up and powered with compressed air or CO2. Deer getting repeatedly tie-died would provide entertainment for your flowers....

Get an inexpensive Crosman pump for your all around uses. 1 pump scares away dogs & deer with no harm, except for a sting. 10 pumps takes out crows, etc. A Red Ryder works great if all you want to do is scare deer.

If you choose to actually do some damage, such as long term predator control, a good rifle like Driftin' suggests is a must. Try looking at Pyramid Air http://www.pyramydair.com/ . They have both toys and tools. Spring piston air rifles require specialized air rifle scopes because of the recoil impulse. They will break cheap scopes all day long.

The benefit of having an adult sized air rifle is that you can practice every day, at very low cost, not disturb your neighbors, and the rifle has a similar weight and feel when compared to your hunting rifles.

These adult air rifles have power. I've killed possums, coons, hundreds of crows and starlings, many hundreds of barn pigeons. They are also accurate, as I have tumbled pigeons off of barns with head shots from over 50 yards away.

I still have my RWS model 48 that I bought when I was very young. My favorite was our Cherry tree... I used to get up and be in my blind before daylight throughout the late summer and whack and stack the starlings plus the occassional crow. It had plenty of knock down power..