When you can explain to me why two armies of ARMED people would run at each other and the brawl, then you might be half way to explaining the nonsensical plot line.

What are you talking about?

Only Bane's men were armed and they were firing at the charging police officers. You can clearly see as the police officers are running, many of them are getting shot and falling. Ofcourse once the armies are too close only an idiot will shoot and risk friendly fire

I wonder when a nuclear warhead goes off, does the frame rate of real life drop?

SkyFall - 4/10
The first 2 Daniel Craig ones were good, very much needed makeover for the series. I saw the 92% on RottenTomatoes and thought Skyfall would rock - that might have been part of my problem (high expectations). However, when he can be on a remote island in the Orient and hundreds of military can arrive via helicopter, but then later when he intentionally hides out within driving distance of London with a much more important person to protect and he has to take on like 30 guys by himself with no back up arriving?

The first half was ok, but the second half of the movie got really unbelievable. It felt more like a bad western or a schwarzenegger movie - definitely not Bond.

Only Bane's men were armed and they were firing at the charging police officers. You can clearly see as the police officers are running, many of them are getting shot and falling. Ofcourse once the armies are too close only an idiot will shoot and risk friendly fire

Cops had guns, what pistols don't count? They didnt even bloody draw them.
Why would the cops be disarmed?

The first 2 Daniel Craig ones were good, very much needed makeover for the series. I saw the 92% on RottenTomatoes and thought Skyfall would rock - that might have been part of my problem (high expectations). However, when he can be on a remote island in the Orient and hundreds of military can arrive via helicopter, but then later when he intentionally hides out within driving distance of London with a much more important person to protect and he has to take on like 30 guys by himself with no back up arriving?

The whole point was to drop off everyone's radar except the bad guy (bardem). Bond initially used the radio to capture Bardem, then that backfired.

The first half was ok, but the second half of the movie got really unbelievable. It felt more like a bad western or a schwarzenegger movie - definitely not Bond.

Seriously, did you see The Last Stand trailer? You really think Skyfall sinks to that level?

Originally Posted by mynd

Cops had guns, what pistols don't count? They didnt even bloody draw them.
Why would the cops be disarmed?

Haven't seen the movie since it came out, but from what I remember the cops were tramped underground, the city had no supplies and was completely run by Bane and the prisoners. How exactly would they have all these guns and ammunition to fight Bane's mob? At best they might have a pistol and one clip. Bane's men had all the hardware, I don't think weapons would've been their best strategy.

The whole point was to drop off everyone's radar except the bad guy (bardem). Bond initially used the radio to capture Bardem, then that backfired.

Seriously, did you see The Last Stand trailer? You really think Skyfall sinks to that level?

Haven't seen the movie since it came out, but from what I remember the cops were tramped underground, the city had no supplies and was completely run by Bane and the prisoners. How exactly would they have all these guns and ammunition to fight Bane's mob? At best they might have a pistol and one clip. Bane's men had all the hardware, I don't think weapons would've been their best strategy.

I think I would have at least been firing to put the machine gunners off.
And they dam well would have mowed those cops down in real life.

Aside from that ,what exactly was Banes goal? The 99%? Smacked of current affairs. It was idealistically stupid.

Not to mention the fact that 3000 cops managed to march unheeded to Banes HQ.

"When I was 12, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew. I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage. I made the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I believe my sister ate. At least I hope she did."

I think I would have at least been firing to put the machine gunners off.
And they dam well would have mowed those cops down in real life.

Aside from that ,what exactly was Banes goal? The 99%? Smacked of current affairs. It was idealistically stupid.

Not to mention the fact that 3000 cops managed to march unheeded to Banes HQ.

I get the feeling this movie just rubbed you the wrong way. It's fair, we all have our opinions. It's just unfortunate because Nolan makes better action movies than most other directors and these are the best comic book movies out.

Maybe, maybe I was to busy laughing. I dunno the whole movie felt forced. Like they were contracted to do to but couldn't be bothered.

Batman starts out weak, continues weak, fails even once to use his brain and think about his oppositions weakness, then manages to by fluke smack Bane in the mouth in straight up fist fight.

Batman to me has always been about out smarting the opposition with a combination of brains and brawn and his gadgets. I felt somebody gave him a lobotomy. He trusted a lot of people he would never have trusted normally. $#@! he is all about not trusting people.

Maybe, maybe I was to busy laughing. I dunno the whole movie felt forced. Like they were contracted to do to but couldn't be bothered. Batman starts out weak, continues weak, fails even once to use his brain and think about his oppositions weakness, then manages to by fluke smack Bane in the mouth in straight up fist fight. Batman to me has always been about out smarting the opposition with a combination of brains and brawn and his gadgets. I felt somebody gave him a lobotomy. He trusted a lot of people he would never have trusted normally. $#@! he is all about not trusting people. Cat woman bettayed you? Oh poor bats? Wtf?

You may wanna put that in spoilers.

I wonder when a nuclear warhead goes off, does the frame rate of real life drop?

Maybe, maybe I was to busy laughing. I dunno the whole movie felt forced. Like they were contracted to do to but couldn't be bothered.

Batman starts out weak, continues weak, fails even once to use his brain and think about his oppositions weakness, then manages to by fluke smack Bane in the mouth in straight up fist fight.

Batman to me has always been about out smarting the opposition with a combination of brains and brawn and his gadgets. I felt somebody gave him a lobotomy. He trusted a lot of people he would never have trusted normally. $#@! he is all about not trusting people.

Cat woman bettayed you? Oh poor bats? Wtf?

Out of curiosity, what movie do you consider a good/great comic book or action movie?

Out of curiosity, what movie do you consider a good/great comic book or action movie?

I enjoyed the previous 2, and I enjoyed most of the 1st half of this one.

I still feel the whole first half was fatalistic, Wayne seemed almost neutered, but maybe that's the point, he'd given up, and even when he tried, he didn't try very hard. Alfred summed it up..your $#@!ed mate, your going to loose, see ya!

Just about any of the recent Marvel movies were better than this.
This feels like a movie that was trying to take us into the darker/depression side of Batman but never succeeded.

Just about any of the recent Marvel movies were better than this.
This feels like a movie that was trying to take us into the darker/depression side of Batman but never succeeded.

I thought this might be the case. We're not going to agree. The Marvel movies are fun but lack any depth, which I believe makes Nolan's franchise more than just the cliche idea of a comic book movie: Good fighting evil with a bunch of one-liners.

I thought this might be the case. We're not going to agree. The Marvel movies are fun but lack any depth, which I believe makes Nolan's franchise more than just the cliche idea of a comic book movie: Good fighting evil with a bunch of one-liners.

The Nolan movies are far beyond any other marvel/superhero movie in terms of ts depth, themes, and psychology. The closest I would say is X-men (disclosure: my favorite) because of the rich character designs and social play. I think the Xavier/Lensherr dynamic is just fascinating, as neither of them are wrong based on their experiences.

I thought this might be the case. We're not going to agree. The Marvel movies are fun but lack any depth, which I believe makes Nolan's franchise more than just the cliche idea of a comic book movie: Good fighting evil with a bunch of one-liners.

Im actually watching it again right now, and I can see what they were aiming at, but it still comes of as shallow.
The movie is full of little cliches, especially the last 1/4.

the truck scene where the device gets jarred out of gordans hand is about as cliched as it gets, or what about the beautiful lines "if you think we are going out on that ice you have a another thing coming", "save yourself, you don't owe these people anything", "theres more to you than that" , Barf scriptwriting.

I think if they had gone more into Wayne's state of mind at the beginning of the movie it would have made his redemption much more effective.
-as it stands the whole movie may as well have been hulk hogan wrestlemania 3.

One last thing:

Why does Batman ask Gordan where Miranda is, when he meets him on the ice? The last person of the 2 to see her was Wayne!, Gordan hadn't seen her since the sentencing

Im actually watching it again right now, and I can see what they were aiming at, but it still comes of as shallow.
The movie is full of little cliches, especially the last 1/4.

the truck scene where the device gets jarred out of gordans hand is about as cliched as it gets, or what about the beautiful lines "if you think we are going out on that ice you have a another thing coming", "save yourself, you don't owe these people anything", "theres more to you than that" , Barf scriptwriting.

I think if they had gone more into Wayne's state of mind at the beginning of the movie it would have made his redemption much more effective.
-as it stands the whole movie may as well have been hulk hogan wrestlemania 3.

TDKR wasn't a perfect movie by any means. Bane and Talia's end were both disappointments. It's odd though that you point out those lines which aren't bad compared to the giant cliche of the evil-doer talking until the good guys can save the day. THAT was a cliche and one I wasn't happy about.

However, if you want to say the Marvel movies are better. Avengers alone, the story is one giant cliche throughout. And it doesn't get cheesier than Captain America's movie. If it wasn't for the comic people would've ripped that movie a new one.

One last thing:

Why does Batman ask Gordan where Miranda is, when he meets him on the ice? The last person of the 2 to see her was Wayne!, Gordan hadn't seen her since the sentencing

Like I said before, I haven't seen the movie in 6 months so I can't answer that.

The Bourne Legacy - 7/10

It has its moments, but overall it's just not as good as Bourne's movies. It didn't help that Aaron was in a black leather jacket and shades on a bike for the climax. i.e. Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible...

Im actually watching it again right now, and I can see what they were aiming at, but it still comes of as shallow.
The movie is full of little cliches, especially the last 1/4.

the truck scene where the device gets jarred out of gordans hand is about as cliched as it gets, or what about the beautiful lines "if you think we are going out on that ice you have a another thing coming", "save yourself, you don't owe these people anything", "theres more to you than that" , Barf scriptwriting.

I think if they had gone more into Wayne's state of mind at the beginning of the movie it would have made his redemption much more effective.

One last thing:

Why does Batman ask Gordan where Miranda is, when he meets him on the ice? The last person of the 2 to see her was Wayne!, Gordan hadn't seen her since the sentencing

I don't remember quite well but when Wayne leaves after meeting Fox and Miranda, they are taken by Bane's men. Later we see that Catwomen frees them. Again, not 100% sure because I can't remember

And personally the writing in this movie was just as good as the previous two, and Nolan managed to make it a much more personal tale about Bruce than an intense action thriller like The Dark Knight

I wonder when a nuclear warhead goes off, does the frame rate of real life drop?