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We will feature a return visit by the inimitable Walter Bosley. He’s an author, blogger, former AFOSI agent and a former FBI counterintelligence specialist. He has covered mass shootings, breakaway civilizations, lost civilizations and more. On this episode, Walter joins Gene and Chris to discuss Antarctica mysteries, global conspiracies and other hot topics.

Hi Gene and Chris and Walter, I hope that when you talk about Antarctica you'll also talk about the sources of whatever information you cover, and whether any source has any reliability at all. Thanks a bunch.

Hi Gene and Chris and Walter, I hope that when you talk about Antarctica you'll also talk about the sources of whatever information you cover, and whether any source has any reliability at all. Thanks a bunch.

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I've got some of that covered and will be posting it after the show is released. To get the most out of Bosley the thing I try to remember is that although his work is highly speculative, it also contains a the mix of fact and myth that shines a light on some interesting niches in culture and history, and provided we can keep these elements separate, rather than assuming they somehow combine into proof of a given theory, it can be enjoyable and thought provoking.

. . . the thing I try to remember is that although his work is highly speculative, it also contains a the mix of fact and myth that shines a light on some interesting niches in culture and history, and provided we can keep these elements separate, rather than assuming they somehow combine into proof of a given theory, it can be enjoyable and thought provoking.

Hey friends, I'd like to point out that people who actually read my books will tell you that I clearly state when I'm speculating. The honest reader will notice how many times I use the word speculation (and its synonyms) in my books. I offer this only because it's a popular assumption that I don't make it clear (according to those who haven't read the books or simply 'don't like'...). Just FYI

As regards what I have stated publicly about Antarctica, I also clarify that my source was a senior officer to me in the intelligence community. I have also stated that what he told me was not in a formal briefing. I think I have been pretty clear that it is stuff that was told to me unofficially -- what I find significant is how long ago I was told these things, not whether I can prove them as true. I have also publicly discussed that such things could have been 'ink in the water' i.e. untrue stuff told to me to see if I'd talk about stuff I was told to keep close to vest for a while. Basically, I think I've been pretty honest about when something is speculation or possibly untrue or simply my conclusion. Again, just FYI

I really enjoyed being on the show, and I hope listeners can forgive my rusty interviewing skills. Gene and Walter make it sound like they're sitting at the kitchen table gabbing over coffee, but I remind myself of a rookie reporter, in fact this one may have even been more entertaining ..:

I really enjoyed being on the show, and I hope listeners can forgive my rusty interviewing skills. Gene and Walter make it sound like they're sitting at the kitchen table gabbing over coffee, but I remind myself of this rookie reporter, in fact he may have even been more entertaining ..:

Good show and yeah agree on those who never read the works of Dr Joseph P Farrell or yours (don't agree with all his theories as I have read his books and that's called open mind thinking) are those true believers/ skeptics.

Randall, great to hear you on the show again, you always contribute positively and your contributions are most worthy and succinct. I especially liked your questioning of the wisdom of a government/military branch using UFOs as a misdirection tool for another subject that would be of a lower security classification, e.g deliberately trying to give the impression that an event that has been witnessed inadvertently was actually something else, which is even more highly classified than the witnessed event was classified.

Logic would dictate that in any attempt to cover up the existence of a top secret prototype stealth jet, whose sonic booms were heard by the public, the Air Force press liaison officer would claim that the sonic booms were made by say, an F-15 pilot who should not have been going supersonic near a populated area and said officer will be reprimanded etc. That would be the easiest and most believable lie to tell the public to explain away the sonic booms. The Air Force press officer is certainly not going to explain away the stealth jet by claiming it was a prototype stealth nuclear-armed supersonic bomber!

Randall, great to hear you on the show again, you always contribute positively and your contributions are most worthy and succinct. I especially liked your questioning of the wisdom of a government/military branch using UFOs as a misdirection tool for another subject that would be of a lower security classification, e.g deliberately trying to give the impression that an event that has been witnessed inadvertently was actually something else, which is even more highly classified than the witnessed event was classified.

Logic would dictate that in any attempt to cover up the existence of a top secret prototype stealth jet, whose sonic booms were heard by the public, the Air Force press liaison officer would claim that the sonic booms were made by say, an F-15 pilot who should not have been going supersonic near a populated area and said officer will be reprimanded etc. That would be the easiest and most believable lie to tell the public to explain away the sonic booms. The Air Force press officer is certainly not going to explain away the stealth jet by claiming it was a prototype stealth nuclear-armed supersonic bomber!

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OK, that's not exactly what I said or claim the USAF did, boys.

You are assuming that the UFO thing WAS more classified than everything else, which is an assumption. You guys also presume to know that UFOs were real in your preferred definition and would never have been used as a cover for a classified first attempt at manned space flight. There was a cold war going on and man in space was considered one of the heights of attaining the high ground. So in the mind of Curtis LeMay it might have been that such an attempt WAS INDEED a tad more serious than UFOs (in spite of the various questionable or questionably interpreted documents that will be bandied about in response to me...) thus the fun but not-as-substantiated-as-many-wish subject of UFOs might very well have been considered worth sacrificing to cover an operation which the USAF Chief of Staff and the DoD commanders and even the President could have considered of greater importance, i.e. said first manned attempt. If that wasn't clear in the discussion on the show, mea culpa, but what you're suggesting is not what I meant. etc

OK, that's not exactly what I said or claim the USAF did, boys. You are assuming that the UFO thing WAS more classified than everything else, which is an assumption.

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It's not simply an assumption or exactly that kind of assumption. To be more clear, it's an assumption based on evidence that makes it reasonable to believe that UFOs were and still are classified high enough not to be used as a cover story by the military without proper authorization and declassification. The Project Magnet Memo isn't the only evidence either.

You guys also presume to know that UFOs were real in your preferred definition and would never have been used as a cover for a classified first attempt at manned space flight. There was a cold war going on and man in space was considered one of the heights of attaining the high ground. So in the mind of Curtis LeMay it might have been that such an attempt WAS INDEED a tad more serious than UFOs (in spite of the various questionable or questionably interpreted documents that will be bandied about in response to me...) thus the fun but not-as-substantiated-as-many-wish subject of UFOs might very well have been considered worth sacrificing to cover an operation which the USAF Chief of Staff and the DoD commanders and even the President could have considered of greater importance, i.e. said first manned attempt. If that wasn't clear in the discussion on the show, mea culpa, but what you're suggesting is not what I meant. etc

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Yes, I think we sort of cleared that up, but not completely. There is likely some combination of situations going on, but it's unlikely that the word "UFO" was deliberately used as a cover explanation for some other secret project. Try bear with me on the logic here: The official USAF investigations into UFOs were classified as secret projects and we can now see the microfiched documents with the stamps on them that indicate such. Plus we can be virtually certain from FOIA requests that even after the close of Blue Book, further sightings were also investigated in secret.

Consequently authorization would be required to reveal them. Even suggesting that such investigations were taking place without being specific about them would be something anyone in the military who knew about them would avoid. Also, the high degree of classification surrounding the subject means it makes no sense whatsoever that it would be used deliberately as a cover story for virtually anything else.

However, that being said, it may very well be the case that because of the "need to know" level of classification, and the general dismissiveness from the military about UFOs, that some lower ranking staff who were out of the loop about what's really going on, unwittingly made some remark about UFOs that was spun by people outside the military into their own unfounded assumptions. Personally, I don't know of any such case, but it is possible.

What we do know is that a number of UFO reports have resulted from radar detection or observation of secret military projects, but a UFO report is entirely different than a UFO, and a secret military craft is not a UFO. This is made clear by official USAF documents that define what the word UFO meant, and by Ruppelt who made the term official in the first place. This is where the confusion between what is being reported, what the object of the report is, and what kind of object UFO investigators were looking for is. These aspects need to be clearly differentiated, but in my experience it is rarely done, and it continues to be a nexus of continued confusion that leads to these kinds of problems.

Once again, for clarity, I suggest that those who are interested in this problem vist the links in my signature line below:

Randall, great to hear you on the show again, you always contribute positively and your contributions are most worthy and succinct. I especially liked your questioning of the wisdom of a government/military branch using UFOs as a misdirection tool for another subject that would be of a lower security classification, e.g deliberately trying to give the impression that an event that has been witnessed inadvertently was actually something else, which is even more highly classified than the witnessed event was classified.

Logic would dictate that in any attempt to cover up the existence of a top secret prototype stealth jet, whose sonic booms were heard by the public, the Air Force press liaison officer would claim that the sonic booms were made by say, an F-15 pilot who should not have been going supersonic near a populated area and said officer will be reprimanded etc. That would be the easiest and most believable lie to tell the public to explain away the sonic booms. The Air Force press officer is certainly not going to explain away the stealth jet by claiming it was a prototype stealth nuclear-armed supersonic bomber!

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To add another important point. It doesn't really matter whether or not one secret project is classified higher than another. That's just a red herring. Nobody affected by secrecy legislation is able to simply reveal any secret project unless that project is properly declassified or they arre given special authorization by those with the proper clearance. In other words it's not OK to reveal some secret project simply because it's less secret than another more secret project. It's ALL secret and nobody can say anything about ANY of it without the proper declassification and authorization.