Cowboys sure look like they are laying groundwork for Gruden hire

He did well in Oakland. He also did mostly terribly in TB after the Superbowl win.

So did he forget how to coach in TB? Or maybe there were other circumstances like a lack of draft picks, budget and a QB that were an issue?

People on the board have criticized Kiffin as a guy who the game has passed by. But Gruden has a poor record and zero playoff wins since his SB in 2002.

And we could get into the circumstances why with TB ad nauseum, including crappy ownership and bad GMs. But the bottom line is he is a ridiculously more qualified head coach than the extremely inexperienced guy who hasn't won a darn thing we have there now.

So did he forget how to coach in TB? Or maybe there were other circumstances like a lack of draft picks, budget and a QB that were an issue?

And we could get into the circumstances why with TB ad nauseum, including crappy ownership and bad GMs. But the bottom line is he is a ridiculously more qualified head coach than the extremely inexperienced guy who hasn't won a darn thing we have there now.

Give me examples of head coaches that in their third year have "experience". Lol. You wouldn't hire anybody but people who had "experience". Also name a coach who has won a Super Bowl at two different locations.

He did well in Oakland. He also did mostly terribly in TB after the Superbowl win.

People on the board have criticized Kiffin as a guy who the game has passed by. But Gruden has a poor record and zero playoff wins since his SB in 2002.

No he didn't do mostly terribly. Please stop with the over the top nonsensical drama.

Gruden had 6 seasons after the SB in TB. In that 6 seasons he was over.500 3 times. Something Garrett has yet to do even once.

Gruden had a couple terrible seasons that lower the win percentage when his starting QB was Griese and Gradkowski respectively.

His final season TB went 9-7 but they were 9-3 and sitting pretty until Kiffin's defense allowed 30 ppg over the final 4. That was why they fired the staff.

If there is a knock on Gruden is that he hasn't been part of accumulating talent. He certainly didn't leave TB loaded. But any thoughts that he can't coach are just goofy beyond words. He clearly can. He has the record and Ring to prove it.

Jerry was at a gathering tonight with Gruden in attendance as well according to Mike Fisher. Probably nothing to it because they both know the new ST coach but there is a heck of a lot of smoke around Gruden and the Boys.

Only a matter of time when a new coach does it as well. So yours is moot as well.

Uh, no.

Your argument was that we shouldn't hire a guy who has already won a SB because no one has done it twice for different teams. Saying that its only a matter of time till someone does, pretty much takes away your argument.

However I CAN argue that a guy who has already won a SB is more qualified to coach the team and has a better chance to win another SB than a guy who was barely a coordinator for any length of time before becoming a HC, and has yet to win a playoff or any other meaningful game.

Your argument was that we shouldn't hire a guy who has already won a SB because no one has done it twice for different teams. Saying that its only a matter of time till someone does, pretty much takes away your argument.

However I CAN argue that a guy who has already won a SB is more qualified to coach the team and has a better chance to win another SB than a guy who was barely a coordinator for any length of time before becoming a HC, and has yet to win a playoff or any other meaningful game.

No my original argument was that you have to give a young coach time. But you completely disregarded that.

Young coaches who don't have "experience" have won their first Super Bowl with a team 100% more than an already Super Bowl winning coach was my other argument.

Anyway it's pointless to discuss because Garrett is here to stay. All that I ask is be patient. Have a nice night.

No he didn't do mostly terribly. Please stop with the over the top nonsensical drama.

Gruden had 6 seasons after the SB in TB. In that 6 seasons he was over.500 3 times. Something Garrett has yet to do even once.

Gruden had a couple terrible seasons that lower the win percentage when his starting QB was Griese and Gradkowski respectively.

His final season TB went 9-7 but they were 9-3 and sitting pretty until Kiffin's defense allowed 30 ppg over the final 4. That was why they fired the staff.

If there is a knock on Gruden is that he hasn't been part of accumulating talent. He certainly didn't leave TB loaded. But any thoughts that he can't coach are just goofy beyond words. He clearly can. He has the record and Ring to prove it.

Jerry was at a gathering tonight with Gruden in attendance as well according to Mike Fisher. Probably nothing to it because they both know the new ST coach but there is a heck of a lot of smoke around Gruden and the Boys.

Please -- after the SB he was over 500 three times. Twice with 9-7 records.

he also rocked 7-9. 5-11, and 4-12 seasons.

All that happened in this final year was that the defense couldn't bail out his crap offense over and over. For an offensive coach, he sure looked terrible on that end in TB. Even with his hand picked GM

I'm not saying he can't coach. But having seen him up close in Oak for many years, I know that he's more personality than coaching substance.

Please -- after the SB he was over 500 three times. Twice with 9-7 records.

he also rocked 7-9. 5-11, and 4-12 seasons.

All that happened in this final year was that the defense couldn't bail out his crap offense over and over. For an offensive coach, he sure looked terrible on that end in TB. Even with his hand picked GM

I'm not saying he can't coach. But having seen him up close in Oak for many years, I know that he's more personality than coaching substance.

You really have to wonder how bad Gruden would have been in Tampa had Kiffin's defenses not bailed him out.