This really doesn't seem that bad! I mean, they can track what I've bought with my credit card, just as easily as they could my fingerprints. They have my fingerprints from military service and CCW anyway!

Originally Posted By Wolf_Nazi:
This really doesn't seem that bad! I mean, they can track what I've bought with my credit card, just as easily as they could my fingerprints. They have my fingerprints from military service and CCW anyway!

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You are right, they can and there is nothing inherently bad about this optional payment method as it stands. What if you lose the option to pay with cash though?

Yes, and before you know it, it is mandatory. Then the track all your purchases, patterns of buying.
You think they don't do this already with your credit card? My son bought a scope and mount online while visiting here, and first thing he knows, bank security calls him, it is not his usual pattern of buying, they want to know if that was him or not.
Well, if your own bank is tracking your credit card buying, where and what, soon the government could be doing the same. Then with a universal identifier for each and every purchase... well, you figure it out.
Then look at Chicago Mayor Daley's Nazis cross referencing FOID cards, gun registrations, etc.
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you."

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." --Ted Nugent

Nothing here demands that you pay in this manner...and you know what? The moment they do - you take your business somewhere else in the marketplace. That's why capitalism is wonderful. Someone sees a need and then provides the service. Those that don't provide the service that their customers desire soon see their customers dissappear.

Originally Posted By Wolf_Nazi:
This really doesn't seem that bad! I mean, they can track what I've bought with my credit card, just as easily as they could my fingerprints. They have my fingerprints from military service and CCW anyway!

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They can use this one to finger print.

Originally Posted By EricTheHunI think maybe you oughtta get yourself an M-16 ~ Col Hal MooreTime comes I need one Sir, there'll be plenty of 'em lying on the ground ~ Sgt Maj Plumleyar15.comar15armory.comthetreeofliberty.com

Some customers will resist the fingerprint system because of privacy issues, said Griffith, who noted that there are grocery shoppers "who don't even want loyalty cards, because they gather information about you."
But they are a relatively small percentage of consumers, she said.
"Most people are very interested in convenience," said Griffith

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"While in theory, liberty is nice, they made taking it away so [i]convenient![/i] One day I woke up and realized it was gone. 'How did that happen?' I wondered." - Sheeple
-Troy

It figures they'd try and sell it to Aggies first! LOL!
[b]All[/b] change is good, don't you know? [;D]
Although, there was the younger woman trying to explain identity theft to her mom.
I just heard on the news last night that a storage facility threw [b]medical records[/b] for about 200 patients in the trash because the medical office didn't pay their storage bill. Privacy issues?

Conquest may be effected under the pretence of friendship; and ourselves, after a long and brave resistence, be at last cheated into slavery. ~ Thomas Paine

Ironic how things are unfolding right before our very eyes...
Just like God's word said it would. Take an evening and read the book of Revelations sometime. You might be surprised how familiar all the predictions sound. [;)]

Originally Posted By Oilhead:
Ironic how things are unfolding right before our very eyes...
Just like God's word said it would. Take an evening and read the book of Revelations sometime. You might be surprised how familiar all the predictions sound. [;)]

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What's Ironic is that people who don't believe and have herd these things do nothing about their spiritual life.
It is after all just coincidence right ?
Things written 3000 and 2000 years ago just don't apply to modern times. So all the idiots say now days.

Originally Posted By EricTheHunI think maybe you oughtta get yourself an M-16 ~ Col Hal MooreTime comes I need one Sir, there'll be plenty of 'em lying on the ground ~ Sgt Maj Plumleyar15.comar15armory.comthetreeofliberty.com

Store owners used to give you credit because they knew your face and reputation for paying. The machine knows you now. Not a big deal if it remains a choice. Course, missing digits might become a painful issue.

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Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
Yes, and before you know it, it is mandatory. Then the track all your purchases, patterns of buying.
You think they don't do this already with your credit card? My son bought a scope and mount online while visiting here, and first thing he knows, bank security calls him, it is not his usual pattern of buying, they want to know if that was him or not.
Well, if your own bank is tracking your credit card buying, where and what, soon the government could be doing the same. Then with a universal identifier for each and every purchase... well, you figure it out.
Then look at Chicago Mayor Daley's Nazis cross referencing FOID cards, gun registrations, etc.
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you."

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Be thankful they called. It wasn't because they cared that he was buying "gun stuff." Trust me. I work as an Internet Fraud Investigator. I've watched people's entire credit history ruined in minutes by some Russian/Indonesian/Pakistani "carder". I have watched some peoples credit cards make there way around the world in just a matter of days on a single website. It happens more than you can even imagine. I close almost 200 fraudulent accounts every day for my employer, and stop over $300,000 in fraud every day before it ever leaves our warehouse. But out of all the fraud I stop and close.... our entire company was only able to arrest 110 people last year for their crimes.... and most of them were minors that cannot be prosecuted very severly.
Credit/Identity/Document Security is incredibly poor these days and in my professional experience it is because [b]Consumers[/b] are uneducated as to how common it is and they are unaware of how to help prevent it.

Originally Posted By DarkHelmet:
Credit/Identity/Document Security is incredibly poor these days and in my professional experience it is because [b]Consumers[/b] are uneducated as to how common it is and they are unaware of how to help prevent it.

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So, give us a tutorial. Seriously, start a new thread on credit card security or what have you. I for one would LOVE to see it.
Pretty please?!!?
And I promise, it won't be *quite* as messy as that "show your tac gear" thread of a while back!
[:D]