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Re: Did Hubbard actually order a hit?

"You should not get the subject of individual improvement and religious experience confused with the social activity of large groups grinding up against each other. It is not worth your time. The groups come and go. The individuals don't. There have been many groups and civilisations, and there will be many more of them, but a decent individual is a relatively permanent thing." - Geoffrey C. Filbert 1982

Re: Did Hubbard actually order a hit?

"22. While I was in the Sea Org, I was instructed to kill
another human being by the Scientology organization. At the time
Scientology had an office on Beacon Avenue in Los Angeles, very
close to McArthur Park. I was called in for a briefing by Alex
Sibryski. At that time, Scientology had a ranch at Rosarito in
Mexico which was being used as a nursery, a place for overflow
kids that could not be housed in Los Angeles and a place to grow
fruits and vegetables. Mexican bandits were allegedly harassing
and hustling the ranch and stealing produce from it. Jerry
McDonald and I were asked to put together a mission to go down to
Mexico, take some infrared optics and some guns and rifles, wait
for the Mexican bandits to attack the ranch again and then take
care of them. We were told to kill them if necessary. I received
these orders from Alex Sibryski. At the time he was Commanding
Officer Flag Operations Western U.S. ("F.O.L.O.W.U.S."). This
was part of Scientology's elite Sea Organization. I was the
Operations Officer at Flags Operations Liaison Office at the time

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and it was my job to write the mission orders for this thing and
get us all briefed and ready to go. We figured that if we "took
out" the bandit leaders the rest would disband. It took 24-48
hours to get this done and in the course of that time I never saw
any written dispatches on this but the mission was then canceled
by Alex Sibryski. He said that there was a governess in-charge of
the ranch and that the bandits had tried to attack her at the
place and she had shot the bandit leader with a shotgun through
the door and taken care of the problem.

23. Jerry McDonald was widely rumored to have been a former
mercenary and a paid assassin in Europe. He was known throughout
the Sea Org for taking care of difficult problems. If someone was
giving a problem in some area Jerry McDonald would just appear
there. Because of his reputation as having been an assassin, if
he came on the scene, people would fear for their lives. They
believed that he was working totally for Scientology and that he
would do anything for Hubbard. Additionally, he was also the kind
of guy who would have people over to his house every now and then
and would get out his automatic weapons, clean them and put them
together in front of people. In this way, he would let people
know that he was really conversant with his craft. He carried a 9
mm pistol on him all the time and he was always talking about arms
sales and deals that he was doing. As things turned out, he and I
were not required to carry out the instructions to kill that we
had received. However, if the orders had not been canceled I have
no doubt that he could have performed the task."

Re: Did Hubbard actually order a hit?

"22. While I was in the Sea Org, I was instructed to kill
another human being by the Scientology organization. At the time
Scientology had an office on Beacon Avenue in Los Angeles, very
close to McArthur Park. I was called in for a briefing by Alex
Sibryski. At that time, Scientology had a ranch at Rosarito in
Mexico which was being used as a nursery, a place for overflow
kids that could not be housed in Los Angeles and a place to grow
fruits and vegetables. Mexican bandits were allegedly harassing
and hustling the ranch and stealing produce from it. Jerry
McDonald and I were asked to put together a mission to go down to
Mexico, take some infrared optics and some guns and rifles, wait
for the Mexican bandits to attack the ranch again and then take
care of them. We were told to kill them if necessary. I received
these orders from Alex Sibryski. At the time he was Commanding
Officer Flag Operations Western U.S. ("F.O.L.O.W.U.S."). This
was part of Scientology's elite Sea Organization. I was the
Operations Officer at Flags Operations Liaison Office at the time

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\

and it was my job to write the mission orders for this thing and
get us all briefed and ready to go. We figured that if we "took
out" the bandit leaders the rest would disband. It took 24-48
hours to get this done and in the course of that time I never saw
any written dispatches on this but the mission was then canceled
by Alex Sibryski. He said that there was a governess in-charge of
the ranch and that the bandits had tried to attack her at the
place and she had shot the bandit leader with a shotgun through
the door and taken care of the problem.

23. Jerry McDonald was widely rumored to have been a former
mercenary and a paid assassin in Europe. He was known throughout
the Sea Org for taking care of difficult problems. If someone was
giving a problem in some area Jerry McDonald would just appear
there. Because of his reputation as having been an assassin, if
he came on the scene, people would fear for their lives. They
believed that he was working totally for Scientology and that he
would do anything for Hubbard. Additionally, he was also the kind
of guy who would have people over to his house every now and then
and would get out his automatic weapons, clean them and put them
together in front of people. In this way, he would let people
know that he was really conversant with his craft. He carried a 9
mm pistol on him all the time and he was always talking about arms
sales and deals that he was doing. As things turned out, he and I
were not required to carry out the instructions to kill that we
had received. However, if the orders had not been canceled I have
no doubt that he could have performed the task."

It was not unheard of in the early Sea Org days ca '69 for some of the illuminati OT execs like McDonald or Fred Payer to be packing a piece, even in a land-based org.

There was the Flag Order by Hubbard stating that: "All Sea Org members should be trained in Judo and small arms weaponry."

I guess the vital need for martial arts & guns is pretty much the same as all the other deeply spiritual churches around the world. People questioning why Buddha did not promote guns should realize that revolvers and magazine-load semi-automatics were not yet available at that time.

For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.