Length of Term in Office for Senators (June 26)

MR. MADISON

In order to judge of the form to be given to
this institution, it will be proper to take a view of the ends to be
served by it. These were first to protect the people against their
rulers, secondly to protect the people against the transient impressions into which they themselves might be led. A people
deliberating in a temperate moment, and with the experience of
other nations before them, on the plan of Government most
likely to secure their happiness, would first be aware that those
charged with the public happiness, might betray their trust. An
obvious precaution against this danger would be to divide the
trust between different bodies of men, who might watch and check
each other. In this they would be governed by the same prudence
which has prevailed in organizing the subordinate departments of
Government, where all business liable to abuses is made to pass through separate hands, the one being a check on the other. It
would next occur to such a people, that they themselves were
liable to temporary errors, through want of information as to
their true interest, and that men chosen for a short term, and
employed but a small portion of that in public affairs, might err
from the same cause. This reflection would naturally suggest that
the Government be so constituted, as that one of its branches
might have an opportunity of acquiring a competent knowledge
of the public interests. Another reflection equally becoming a
people on such an occasion, would be that they themselves, as
well as a numerous body of Representatives, were liable to err
also, from fickleness and passiom A necessary fence against this
danger would be to select a portion of enlightened citizens,
whose limited number, and firmness might seasonably interpose
against impetuous councils. It ought finally to occur to a people
deliberating on a Government for themselvesl that as different
interests necessarily result from the liberty meant to be secured,
the major interest might under sudden impulses be tempted to
commit injustice on the minority. In all civilized Countries the
people fall into different classes having a real or supposed difference of interests. There will be creditors and debtors, farmers
merchants and manufacturers. There will be particularly the
distinction of rich and poor. It was true as had been observed ,by
Mister Pinkney, we had not among us those hereditary distinctions, of rank which were a great source of the contests in the
ancient Governments as well as the modern States of Europe, nor
those extremes of wealth or poverty which characterize the latter,
We cannot however be regarded even at this time, as one homogeneous mass, in which every thing that affects a part will affect
in the same manner the whole. In framing a system which we
wish to last for ages, we should not lose sight of the changes
which ages will produce. An increase of population will of
necessity increase the proportion of those who will labour under
all the hardships of life, and secretly sigh for a more equal
distribution of its blessings. These may in time outnumber those
who are placed above the feelings of indigence. According to the
equal laws of suffrage, the power will slide into the hands of the
former. No agrarian attempts have yet been made in this
Country, but symptoms, of a leveling spirit, as we have understood, have sufficiendy appeared in a certain quarters to give
notice of the future danger. How is this danger to be guarded
against on republican principles. How is dhe danger in all cases
of interested coalitions to oppress the minority to be guarded
against. Among other means by the establishment of a body in
the Government sufficiently respectable for its wisdom and virtue, to aid on such emergences, the preponderance of justice by
throwing its weight into that scale. Such being the objects of the
second branch in the proposed Government he thought a considrable duration ought to be given to it. He did not conceive that
the term of nine years could threaten any real danger but in
pursuing his particular ideas on the subject, he should require
that the long term allowed to the second branch should not
commence till such a period of life, as would render a perpetual
disqualification to be reelected little inconvenient either in a
public or private view. He observed that as it was more than
probable we were now digesting a plan which in its operation
would decide for ever the fate of Republican Government we
ought not only to provide every guard to liberty that its preservation could require, but be equally careful to supply the defects
which our own experience had particularly pointed out.

MR. SHERMAN

Government is instituted for those who live
under it. It ought therefore to be so constituted as not to be
dangerous to their liberties. The more permanency it has the
worse if it be a bad Government. Frequent elections are neces,
sary to preserve the good behavior of rulers. They also tend to
give permanency to the Government, by preserving that good
behavior, because it ensures their reelection. In Connecticut
elections have been very frequent, yet great stability and uniformity both as to persons and measures have been experienced
from its original establishment to the present time, a period of
more than l3O years. He wished to have provision made for
steadiness and wisdom in the system to be adopted, but he
thought six or four years would be sufficient. He should be content
with either.

MR. READ

wished it to be considered by the small States
that it was their interest that we should become one people as
much as possible, that State attachments should be extinguished
as much as possible, that the Senate should be so constituted as
to have the feelings of Citizens of the whole.

MR. HAMILTON

He did not mean to enter particularly into
the subject. He concurred with Mr. Madison in thinking we
were now to decide for ever the fate of Republican Government,
and that if we did not give to that form due stability and
wisdom, it would be disgraced and lost among ourselves, disgraced and lost to mankind for ever. He acknowledged himself
not to think favorably of Republican Government, but addressed
his remarks to those who did think favorably of it, in order to
prevail on them to tone their Government as high as possible. He
professed himself to be as zealous an advocate for liberty as any
man whatever, and trusted he should be as willing a martyr to it
though he differed as to the form in which it was most eligible-
He concurred also in the general observations of (Mr. Madison)
on the subject, which might be supported by others if it were
necessary. It was certainly true, that nothing like an equality of
propenty existed, that an inequality would exist as long as liberty
existed, and that it would unavoidably result from that very
liberty itself. This inequality of property constituted the great and
fundamental distinction in Society. When the Tribunitial power
had levelled the boundary between the patricians and plebeians,
what followed. The distinction between rich and poor was substituted. He meant not however to enlarge on the subject. He
rose principally to remark that (Mr. Sherman) seemed not to
recollect that one branch of the proposed government was so
formed, as to render it particularly the guardians of the poorer
orders of Citizens, nor to have adverted to the true causes of the
stability which had been exemplified in Connecticut. Under the
British system as well as the federal, many of the great powers
appertaining to Government particularly all those relating to
foreign Nations were not in the hands of the Government there.
Their internal affairs also were extremely simple, owing to sundry causes many of which were peculiar to that Country. Of late
the Government had entirely given way to the people, and had in
fact suspended many of its ordinary functions in order to prevent
those turbulent scenes which had appeared elsewhere. He asks
Mr. S. whether the State at this time, dare impose and collect
a tax on the people. To these causes and not to the frequency of
elections, the effect, as far as it existed ought to be chiefly
ascrlbed.