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Surprised Ogilvie and Simmons don't get more love for their big roles on a legendary team

It's not as if the 1982 pennant winner isn't properly represented. Every single member of the Walk of Fame that played/managed for the Brewers, save Hank (who's there because of his previous connections to the city), was a part of the 1982 club (Fingers, Yount, Molitor, Cooper, Thomas, Gantner, Money, Kuenn). Everyone else in the walk was either a FO type, a broadcaster or dates back to the Braves days.

I know it's not a storied history, but surely they can find some room for somebody from some other era for a 44-year-old ballclub.

An odd thing the way they are doing it. Given who is there I'd think Higuera would be a lock. Oglivie is an odd one to skip from that 82 team.

Higuera is their lifetime WAR leader and it isn't close (30.6 then Ben Sheets 25.6 then under 20). Jim Slaton lead in wins, Pete Vuckovich in w/l% (and has a Cy Young), ERA & Saves are held by Dan Plesac, while Ben Sheets leads in K's. Surprised that is it for their leaders. The Jays are a newer club and have much higher pitching totals (Stieb & Halladay both over 45 for WAR, Key at 30, top 3 for wins have more than Milwaukee's top plus Jimmy Key was just 1 shy as a Jay).

In a thread the other day I finally had the temerity to post an Albright and within ten minutes of my posting the Arod news broke and no one has commented since. I got trampled to death by a half-horse.

So, is Higuera (30.6 WAR) the second best Mexican-born player of all time? Looks like Fernando (37.4 WAR) has the #1 spot nailed down, due more to longevity than excellence, though you could make a peak argument for Higuera.

The only competition among pitchers seems to come from Esteban Loaiza (23.1 WAR) and Ismael Valdez (24.6 WAR). Yovanni Gallardo may enter the conversation someday, though his 2013 wasn't so good.

The best Mexican position player, from a very uninspiring bunch, appears to be Bobby Avila by WAR (27.6 WAR), Vinny Castilla (19.3 WAR) by counting stats.

If we're doing this Hall-of-Merit-style, I imagine Bobby Avila would get a certain amount of war credit/Mexican League credit and would probably come out on top. He didn't become a regular until age 27 and he really did have an outstanding peak. I haven't looked up what dWAR thinks of his defense, but his defensive rep was outstanding. He would have been a Gold Glove winner if they'd existed in the early fifties.

If we're doing this Hall-of-Merit-style, I imagine Bobby Avila would get a certain amount of war credit/Mexican League credit and would probably come out on top. He didn't become a regular until age 27 and he really did have an outstanding peak. I haven't looked up what dWAR thinks of his defense, but his defensive rep was outstanding. He would have been a Gold Glove winner if they'd existed in the early fifties.

You're right that he had a very nice 5-year peak. I should learn more about Bobby Avila.

dWAR likes but doesn't love his defense. He has a net 4.6 for his career, peak of 2.0, and four years of 1.0 or better. That's well behind contemporaries and semi-contemporaries like Gil McDougald, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox and (of course) Bill Mazeroski.

It's not as if the 1982 pennant winner isn't properly represented. Every single member of the Walk of Fame that played/managed for the Brewers, save Hank (who's there because of his previous connections to the city), was a part of the 1982 club (Fingers, Yount, Molitor, Cooper, Thomas, Gantner, Money, Kuenn). Everyone else in the walk was either a FO type, a broadcaster or dates back to the Braves days.

I know it's not a storied history, but surely they can find some room for somebody from some other era for a 44-year-old ballclub.

Seven of the top ten Brewers in plate appearances played for the 1982 Brewers. An eighth is still active (Rickie Weeks.) That leaves Geoff Jenkins and BJ Surhoff. Jenkins would be the most likely bet, unless you like a shorter term slugger like George Scott or Greg Vaughn. But then you can argue Oglivie over those two.

Did Jeromy Burnitz fall off the ballot or get elected? He's only about one season shy of Jenkins in the fluffy counting stats department for his time as a brewer, made at least one (maybe a couple?) all-star teams, and generally seemed to have the sort of stubble, beer gut, and softball power that seems appreciated by our neighbors to the north.

In fact - I see Greg Vaughn manages to stay on the ballot despite the fact that Burnitz was clearly superior

Someone explain to me why David Riske would even be on this ballot. He had a 5.40 ERA (78 ERA+) in 66 2/3 innings for the Brewers.

Yeah, how is it that Bill Schroeder is on the ballot (and receiving votes!), but not Chuck Crim?

I'm not saying Crim should actually be elected, but there was nearly a half-decade during which Crim was one of the best middle relievers in baseball. Schroeder was a bad backup catcher who had a freakish half-season in 1987, when everyone was hitting home runs. He was Kelly Shoppach.

Someone explain to me why David Riske would even be on this ballot. He had a 5.40 ERA (78 ERA+) in 66 2/3 innings for the Brewers.

It must be like a mini-HOF, players who have been inactive for 4 years--Riske's last season was 2010. That also explains Gross, but doesn't explain McClung, whose last MLB season was 2009 and who's been kicking around the high minors since then--including in the Brewers org in 2012. Wha?

On-field personnel who wore a Brewers or Braves uniform for a minimum of three seasons but have been retired from playing/managing roles for at least three seasons are eligible for consideration. To be elected, nominees must receive 75% of the vote from all ballots received. Individuals must receive at least 5% of the vote to remain eligible in future years.

It's strange that Wikipedia's entry hasn't been updated to include Johnny Logan's selection from last year, and the mlb.com page hasn't been updated for Logan or Burdette in 2010.