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In a weird mirror image of last Friday's "cling" revelation — though perhaps without the same general election implications — this Friday afternoon brings a Huffington Post tape reportedly from a closed-door Hillary fundraiser in which Clinton scorns her opponent's supporters — the liberal activists who make up a pillar of the Democratic Party:

"MoveOn.org endorsed [Obama] — which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Huffington Post says the comments — of which it provides tape, and which the campaign doesn't dispute — came from a small, closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday but before March 5; slightly oddly, it doesn't say where or when.

But there's some irony in the scorn for MoveOn, which Hillary courted and which was founded, after all, to save her husband from impeachment. What's striking here is the "us" and "them" view — the almost cultural scorn — toward a section of the Democratic Party to whom, at times in the White House, Hillary was seen as the ambassador for the more conservative Bill.

Also, though some people associated with MoveOn opposed the Afghan war, the group says it didn't.

Hillary stood up for Moveon.org and voted against that sham of a resolution condemning Moveon.org's stupid advertisement condemning General Patraeus last year. Senator Barack "Voting Present" Obama didn't vote. When it counted, Hillary showed, Obama didn't.
And then MoveOn.org jumped on the hopemobile.
Pathetic.

I think the whole thing is a bit more about The Huffington Post than about Clinton's dumb statements (which might upset fellow Democrats unhappy), but I found entertaining this response:
MoveOn's Executive Director Eli Pariser reacted strongly to Clinton's remarks: "Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim. Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator McCain. MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

I'm glad you posted this just to show some semblance of fairness...But like the "bitter-gate" i don't see this as a big issue...It reaffirms that she hates anyone that isn't with her (screw em)...Funny thing is, i highly doubt the Obama campaign will do the same thing with this story as the Clinton's did with bitter, even though they are essentially the same story...Both explaining to fundraisers why they haven't won...That would be a story...But people refuse to acknowledge HE HAS SHOWN HEAPS OF RESTRAINT.

She just trashed one of the primary tenets of the Democratic party, the inclusion of all people. The mainstream voter may not see the implication of this but it will play very, very, very badly with the Superdelegates.

I agree with Clinton. The extreme leftists have hijacked the party. They will be sorely disappointed when the potential Obama administration buckles to political realities and its own naivete, the same way Clinton's did back in '93-'94. It's like watching lambs to the slaughter.

This is just another example of Clinton trying to downplay Obama's support. He has far more than move on donating to his campaign, moveon is really just traditional democratic supporters and he has attracted a ton of donors who have likely never given in an election before (including myself)

for a really great new video, go to The Jed Report and hear/see Hillary in her own words, past and present, condemn herself..it's priceless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl=http://www.jedreport.com/

Translation:
"I am losing, how the ef can I be losing. I am the anointed one. The queen. My subjects adore me. All women envy me. Bill, go fix this, and pimp out my kid to"(who looks more like Vince Foster than Bill by the way)

JODIE evans,american voters should know the truth. So here are the words of obama"s reverand of the church of anti-americanism,jodie evans calling upon Iraqi insurgents and terrorists to resist u.s. troops and use violence to defeat the forces of the u.s.milltary

This quote clearly demonstrates that Clinton is a principled politician and that the unwavering principle of her campaign is that she will say anything to get elected. If moveon was supporting her, she would be singing their praises. This campaign has taught me that the Republicans were right - she and her husband (who I very much liked) are shameless. I will be donating to her opponent in the next senate primary.

I don't know how comfortable I am with these "private" tapes being aired, even though they are public figures. Despite my discomfort with this stuff, it does remind me of the closing of the John Stuart show every night... Moment of Zen.
I'm curious to see how the MSM advances this story, if they advance this story. Funny thing is it speaks much more to attitudes than bittergate.

As much I want Obama and his team to jump on this I don't think he should. So I will! Where is the loyalty Hill? Why are these worse than the "bitter" comments? Because when you mix this in with Bosnia, Fake Hunting, Fake Co-Presidency with her husband, etc, It shows Hillary will say whatever she has to. While Obama made his bitter comments trying to explain why people vote the way they do. She suggests Moveon didn't even want to go to Afghanastan but that is not true! If it was why would you "court" them? I really pray that PA stands up and puts an end to this charade! Obama is winning because he is a great candidate but even more important, Obama went after all the votes! White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Small State, Big State, Poor State, Rich State while Hill focused on the big prizes. When the rules came out Hillary failed to pay attention to them because she thought she was a sure thing! She aint! Obama has the organization and ground game that she doesn't. She has tons of support but a poorly ran campaign! She ignores NIE reports, you would think she would pay more attention to things and stop being so evil and decisive. I mean how many times has she been booed for bring up the "bitter" comments that she didn't even say? Hillary please drop out! You can't beat McCain because the Repubs do have organization and ground game!

Ben, you're wrong that it doesn't have implications for the general election. The Democratic nominee for president is certainly going to need MoveOn's support. 3.4 million members of the population is a big number - and these people will vote.

Ben,
You're out of touch again. This isn't a big deal to me. Just like the "bitter comments" weren't a big deal to me. However, to say that alienating caucus voters, progressives, party activists, netroots, etc, etc, "perhaps doesn't have the general election implications" that those bitter comments will have is completely insane. Those bitter comments won't lose him many votes in the fall. Most of the people offended (or that said they were offended) by that weren't going to vote for him anyway. But the progressives, netroots, caucus goers, liberal activists would have voted for Hillary. And even those these comments are not that big of a deal, how would the netroots rally behind her now? If Hillary wins the nomination (I still don't know how that can happen and nobody can really explain that) you have to wonder if the activists will still come out for her. So again, your transparent little "perhaps without the general election implications" line isn't based in reality. But what would I expect from a Hillary guy like yourself. Politico is starting to jump the shark. Don't get it twisted though, despite my disdain for you I still check out your biased little pro-Hillary gossip blog quite often.

Ben, the dynamic of this Democratic primary breaks down to two camps; the anti-government, hate America first far leftists that are pro-Obama, and the Patriotic Democrats that love their country and want it restored to the glory of the 1990s who are pro-Clinton.
MoveOn, DailyKos, Democratic Underground and the HuffPo actually believe all that crap Rev Wright said. They side with America's enemies like Hamas and Venezuela's Chavez.
There has always been an element of America hating leftists in this country and they have metastasized to form the aforementioned blogs.
They are dragging the Democratic party down.

This is gonna be big just because it shows more hypocrisy! I see all the McCain fans like the Democrats going back and forth but the timing of this might be just right so that Hillary can close up shop and Barack can start breaking McCain down like he did Hillary! If this helps end this thing, it's over for McCain

Hillary Clinton is nothing, if not a winner!
Remember the "comeback kid" Bill? He pulled it out at the last minute to become the Greatest President Ever (TM)!! My prediction is that HRC will win PA (and probably all remaining contests) with high double digits.
Hillary has a trick or two up her pantsuit sleeves. believe you me! BO will be wondering what hit him when the PA results come crashing down upon him!!
Hillary and Bill are the epitome of this American game that we like to call "hardball politics"
Just wait.......Hillary and I will be vindicated!!!!
Hillary / Bill '08!

This just goes hand-in-hand with her whole campaign. The reality is that the reason she never got rid of Penn is because she is an angry and spiteful, just like him.

Just so we can refresh here:
1. Small states don't matter
2. Red states don't matter
3. Purple states don't matter
4. Caucus states don't matter
5. The base of the Democratic party, blacks and moveon, also don't matter

It just seems to me that the only people that do matter are those people supporting Hillary right here and now. I wonder if they are wondering whether once she is elected/restored to the throne, that they won't matter either. The Clinton's must have been salivating at the prospect of them at the helm of the Bush Imperial Presidency. I guess they'll just have to wonder what if.

And to top it off, I think California just called, they said that they want their votes back. In one week she dogged SF and MoveOn using Karl Rove smears, what foolishness.

I agree with Craig. The bitter comment mostly offends people that would have never voted for Obama in the first place. Hillary's comment about MoveOn.org will make it hard for them to help her win the nomination if she were to be the dem candidate. She continues to discard or offend people that don't support her (caucus states, red states, small states, Richards, Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Gore, Kerry and now MoveOn.org). How can this NOT be damaging for her?

I doubt the media will even mention it let alone make it a continuing loop thing like last week concerning Obama.
The traditional media hates both the netroots and Move on.
And, because it's Hillary who said it. Afterall, isn't Obama the punching bag of the media this month?
And they are occupied with their latest obsession over whether Obama is tough enough.

Ben, just ban the IP of the deranged name-jacker.
This is how they do it. I've seen it a thousand times. They find a blog where there are actually dissenting comments that they cannot control, so they try their hardest to try to get the comments shut down.
Save yourself some time and aggravation and just ban the IP of the offenders.

This is nothing like Obama's elitest remarks. It is about inside party politics and, absolutely, Senator Clinton is right. The Democratic Party has been taken over by the far left wing activists. These are the same group who yesterday and today intimidated ABC News, last week Tavis Smiley, bullied John Lewis into switching his endorsement from Hillary Clinton, and are relentless to take back the party from the moderate-centrists.
If the Democratic Party thinks that all of the centrists won't defect the party after the shenanigans that started not as a grass roots organization, but from the top with the likes of Senator Kennedy, Kerry, Pat Leahy, Pelosi, and Dean, they have a rude awakening.
The treatment of the Clinton's has been appalling.
By exposing the remarks by Senator Clinton, Huffington Post may be trying to redeem itself from the Bittergate story, and may fire up the base Obama already has, but they have now further alienated Clinton supporters and thrown the election to John McCain. How foolish can the left-wingers be!
Halli Casser-Jayne http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

Ben -- you or one of your colleagues have to get on this!!! EVerybody is focusing on Obama flipping off Hillary in the N.C. speech, but it was a bit later, the antics on stage "brushing off the dirt" that is just arrogant and unbelieveable. He was purposely using Rap Code there -- referring to JZ's vulgar and f-word filled rap song -- in code. There is no doubt about it and it tends to support that fact that he WAS flipping off Hillary!!! Please get on this and get it out or get someone else to. Nobody seems to be getting this!!

Hillary repeating Karl Rove's MoveOn smear that they were "against the war in Afghanistan" -- you know, the smear that helped convince the voting public the Progressive agenda would leave us ripe for terrorist rape and pillage? -- is the height of farce. If it weren't my party at stake, I'd be laughing.
Far more damning is the fact that she blames "party activists" for being behind her, well, being behind. 90% of the attendees at my caucus were first-time caucus-goers who had never voted in a primary election before. (Unless that's what she means by party activists, in which case I do not think it means what she thinks it means.)

Way to dismiss the very voters who kept Bill Clinton from being impeached and she spits in everyone's faces. Is there anyone that these people will not throw under the bus in their desperate attempt to hang on to power. They are reprehensible.

Whatever Clinton thinks about the activist base, it's nothing compared to the vile attacks launched at her and her supporters by MoveOn, Kos, and the Netroots.
This despite the fact that it was Clinton who had the spine to send Wolfson on O'Reilly to defend Kos. Never mind that Clinton voted against censuring MoveOn, while Obama skipped out of the Senate just minutes before the vote was held.
We Clinton supporters who have been attacked, and banned all over internet know what we're talking about, and perhaps, just how she feels.

She'd still need us to win the general election because we're the volunteers who phonebank, canvass, and donate. Dissing us as the Democratic base of the party doesn't do her any favors should she become the nominee in the unlikely event.

M Jordan - are you insane? The "brushing off the dirt" gesture that you refer to, pre-dates JZ. You are proof that there is a generational gap that just doesn't get Obama. He is the future, Mccain and Hillary are the past. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Brush+your+shoulders+off

This story is a problem for Hillary, because it reinforces existing unfavorable narratives about her:

She is two-faced. Last April, Hillary praised MoveOn, saying, to its face, that...

You've been asking the tough questions....You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves....I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better...both online, and in the corridors of power.

...but, once MoveOn endorsed Obama in February, she trashed the group, behind its back.

Whether or not she actually is a trigger-happy hawk, she refuses to run as anything else -- and thus makes it more difficult for herself to govern in any other way. Hillary sought to endear herself to donors, by misrepresenting MoveOn as more anti-war than it was (on Afghanistan), then saying "I don't agree with them."

Huffington Post and Moveon.org. are full of 17 yr old non-tax paying punks and gays......who cares what these poltoons think?....we can't wait to watch you pervert liberals whine just like 2000 & 2004 when McCain wins....he-he-he-he-he....Moveon.org is irrelevant....perverts!!!DEMOCRATS AVG I.Q.=69.

Have we not now heard enough from Clinton? As Joe Welch once said to another Senator: Have you no sense of honor? At long last, Senator, have you NO sense of honor and decency???
If we Democrats stand for anything, it is high time we stood for our clearly best candidate. Senator Obama will win in November. Senator Clinton has NO chance of it.

To my fellow Obama supporters and move-on members: Let's just brush this one off. Hillary is finished. This is an attempt to divide our party and further alienate the blue collar voters and older folks who are supporting Clinton. We need them to defeat McCain in November so let's follow Obama's lead and just brush it off and Move On!

shani - you wern't saying that last Friday when the 'bittergate' came out! Now it is a different story when it pertains to your candidate! Stick with us big girls and vote for the BEST candidate... come on over to the winning side! You are always welcome - unlike us Obama supporters - she is slamming us today out on the campaign trial, due to the 52 minutes of non-issue debate and has slammed me as well, because I come from a caucus state. Senator Obama likes everyone ALL voters, ALL states, ALL primaries or caucuses!

Ben,
I had not seen you on t.v untill the other night on Lou Dobbs show. I guess I was a bit surprised to see how biased you really are to OBOAMKINS!!!
Now you are way off base if you try to compare BITTER-GATE to the actual truth of Move-on.org.
It is quite apparent that this group is massive and has been supporting Obama in the caususes. He would not be winning if all things had been fair and out in the open. I have known that there is a lot of stuff like that going on that keeps the people from having their voices heard. I suppose there are others who are stacking the votes for Obama. I would like to know what that Harvard club, scull and bones, I think? has to do with this election process. Kerry, Kennedy, Obama and others I don't know of -- have something going that seems a little suspect to me. These are all men with deep pockets. There are ways of bundling money somehow. I don't know how it is done, but I believe it is being done. I just do not believe this man that has trouble speaking unless it is written down for him, someone we still know very little about could have beat out some very brillant and much more experianced men in the primaries as he did. What Barack said about the working class clinging to religion and guns because they are bitter, was not in the least way comparable to mentioning the truth about move on .org
One was a stupid opinion on his part the other is a fact.
I believe caususes should be done away with, they really are not fair. Except for a silly misstatement by Hillary she has stood up to unsurmountable forces trying to do her in. She is still doing fine. I know the chances are slim for her to win even in penn. I really wonder about all of those new democrats just registering this year for the first time. I'm sure there are some ligitamate ones but I am also afraid there are a lot of them just stacking the deck for Obama to knock Hillary out. Democrats listen up. PLEASE!
if you are a Hillary supporter don't let anything stand in your way on Tuesday. GET OUT AND VOTE!!! If you let Obama win the nominee of our Party, McCain will be the next President.
I am a strong democrat, but I have seen the way this election has been played, I have seen the way the media has dumped on Hillary, And this week we have seen how he whines when he is scolded. He seems to be a real wimp. He just thinks he is too good to be questioned on his character.
GET OUT AND VOTE FOR HILLARY
ON TUESDAY!!!

There's a good move. Alienate your base! This should really be a frontpage story, but I'm impressed you guys did cover it. I was sure I was going to come here and see nothing. If anyone needs anymore proof that Hillary Clinton HATES Democrats here it is. She's not a progressive. Wake up!

Most of the Obama supporters are young and immature. Your vile, ugly, undisciplined, riotous behavior is not needed in the white house if Obama was the nominee. That is one reason why I will not vote for Obama. Too much drama. The voting age should be raised to 25 years. Hillary is more mature and experienced and it makes sense to nominate someone with some civility, passion and effectiveness, who have been a public servant for 35 years. Superdelegates and voters, please take these concerns under serious consideration.

Yeah Connie the voting age should be raised to 25. Cause it was all those 25 year-olds who got us into this disasterous war in Iraq right? And they're the ones who ruined the economy right? They're the ones who voted Bush into office? Give me a break. 25 and under year olds are sitting in a muddy ditch dying for you now because Hillary Clinton lacked the guts to vote against this embarassment of a war. Honestly Connie that was the dumbest, most insulting, ill-informed post I've ever seen in my life. Maybe they shouldn't let you vote! Idiot.

1. Are you really quibbling over use of pronouns? Should she have called them "it" or used "MoveOn.org" every time?

2. She didn't say anything scornful about them. She said they are a gusher of money, activist, dominating and intimidating. If anything, she overstates their influence. Or all Obama supporters also MoveOn.org members?

3. I guess this is the Obama campaign's chance to show whether he is above "gotcha" politics or not. I'm not holding my breath.

Most of the Obama supporters are young and immature. Your vile, ugly, undisciplined, riotous behavior is not needed in the white house if Obama was the nominee. That is one reason why I will not vote for Obama. Too much drama. The voting age should be raised to 25 years. Hillary is more mature and experienced and it makes sense to nominate someone with some civility, passion and effectiveness, who have been a public servant for 35 years. Superdelegates and voters, please take these concerns under serious consideration.

collegevoter, Firstly, I am tired of hearing about Hillary's vote for the war. Obama would have voted the exact same way, but lucky for him, he did not have to. Everyone voted for the war. Secondly, as to your other statements, thank you for reiterating my point.

Yes Connie, blame the 25-year olds for the war in Iraq Hillary authorized. You're really slow. Your girl Hillary is one of the people who's been ruining this country for the past 16 years, along with her husband and George W. Bush both of whom are well over 25 last time I checked. Old people are ruining this country, Connie, not young people. Young people are sleeping in a tent in Iraq while Hillary goes to functions and makes fun of the Democrats her own party. All you're doing is providing us proof why (some) old people suck Connie.

We are the people who actually care about the future of this party. We care about taking the Democrats in a direction that is sustainable, that actually wins elections, and yes, that is more progressive than the party has historically been. But you know what? We're currently the ones saving your party from self destruction, Hillary, and if you can't appreciate us at least for that fact, good luck getting Your primary base of low-info, non-politically-involved Dems up off the couch to do the kind of grassroots organizing we have brought to the table in this election. I won't lift a finger for Hillary Clinton if she steals this nomination.

Tell it to Connie. She's the one advocating the voting age be raised to 25. That's a stupid position. You know it's a stupid position, I know it's a stupid position, we all know it's a stupid position. So don't come complaining to me because Hillary voted to authorize this war. That's her fault. And you don't hear me arguing we should rule out older people from voting. And I could find actual medical reasons for doing so. So maybe what you should do is tell Carol to leave the voting age alone. Take your complaint up with her. With respect to Iraq see Hillary about that not me. I didn't vote for that fiasco. And neither did anybody else young.

So Clinton is on TAPE saying one thing about Moveon, and then on tape again saying something completely different about Moveon.
Yet the top story on your website is how the media is favoring Obama? Laughable - shame on you Politico.
This is a smoking gun - she's dishonest, and there's no mistaking what she's saying here. She's been caught, and if you have any type of journalistic integrity you'll give this story top billing and investigate it further.

collegevoter, Hillary is not the only responsible party. George Bush is the President! He wanted to war with Iraq. Hillary entrusted Bush to make the right decision before going to war, if necessary. She did NOT want to go to war. I suggest you listen to her 2002 speech when it re-airs on CSPAN3. Call cspan to see when it will re-air. You are good at that.

Monday, March 31, 2008--
Say anything, do anything - Texas edition
John,
My mom was a delegate in Dallas this past weekend. She arrived at 7AM and didn't get to leave until 8PM. She said that it appeared the Clinton delegates were trying to drag things out so long that people would have to leave. She thought they challenged about 3,000 delegates and each of them had to go through the credentialing committee.
One of the Clinton delegates from her group challenged the validity of entire precincts. One of the precincts she challenged was almost entirely African American. Towards the end, after this group was credentialed they came by and shook their fists at the Clinton delegate and chanted "we're still here" in her face. My mom said it was a little tense.
She also said that it was sad to see all of the elderly there having to sit in stadium seats for 13 hours. She didn't know of anyone leaving without an alternate to replace them though. A very pregnant woman in her group had to lie on the concrete floor at times.
I don't know why this didn't make bigger news. She said it was obvious to everyone there what was going on and she thought Clinton had made many enemies from inside the democratic party that day.
Lisa
TEXAS

I have just spent the last two hours surfing the evening news programs and watching various conservative pundits and republican operatives vigerously defending HRC on the MoveOn item. I never thought I'd see this day. The Clintons will ally themselves to anyone to win. Hannity, Rove, Limbaugh...it really doesn't matter. She is becoming the darling of the right wing. And to think I laughed when Ann Coulter "endorsed" HRC several months back. Smell the coffee folks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/26/eveningnews/main3540666.shtml
Around 2:15 in the clip in the page above:
"If it's not you, how disappointed will you be?" Couric asked.
?Well, it will be me,? she said.

Yes I'm aware George W. Bush was the president. Hillary, as a senator, had one duty with respect to the war resolution: to vote correctly. She got it wrong. That makes a difference. I don't have time to bring it up to the other Senators because none of them have the nerve to be running for the DEMOCRATIC nomination for President without at least apologizing for this travesty. Your notion that no one under the age of 25 should vote is still one of the scariest, most ill-advised, and poorly thought out posts I've ever seen in my life. Again this would be like me arguing no one over the age of 60 should vote because, according to Bill Clinton, you start having "senior moments" and "forgetting things late at night" around them. And this from someone whose spouse is running 3 a.m. telephone ads. When you try to take away my vote to right, you're darned right I get ornery. It was a terrible position to take.

Good for Hillary. MoveOn is a bunch of far left-wing freaks. They yell and shout but they are the fringe. She's right that they are to be reckoned with (especially among democrats), but she's also right that they're WRONG on much of their foreign policy shouting.

People need to realize that Barack Obama's comments this week about PA small towns and his issues with his own race and others as in issues with Rev. Wright, and his book (white folk comments) brought this unto himself which needed to be questioned and addressed. He might be strong with words but he also is strong with attitude towards the politicians he HIMSELF is. I dont like the way he looks down upon Washington with once again his elitist attitude when he himself represents politicians at their finest, with his behind closed doors behavior and business (as we heard in San Francisco) I think there is alot of message in this behavior that is being tossed aside by name calling and girl vs boy mentality. Are we not DEMOCRATS? Democrat stands for so much more than what Barack Obama offers. Lower Taxes for ALL middle and lower class!! Take care of ALL of our returning soldiers from Iraq. Take care of ALL of our senior citizens!! Lower Fuel dependency and Cost for ALL Americans. Democrats wants what is best for ALL people including health coverage for ALL Americans, NOT just the minority because then that is NOT a DEMOCRACY. That my friends is what Senator Hillary Clinton will do for you! Rise Hillary RISE !!!

Another thing the mainstream media refuses to cover because it just so happens to be good new for Clinton - former New Jersey Governors Jim Florio and Brendan Byrne pledged their support to Hillary Clinton today, after being chosen Thursday as add-on superdelegates. Their show of support comes the same day US Rep. Betty Sutton announced she too would support Clinton as a superdelegate.
Three superdelegates in one day. But all the press can say is the SDs are moving toward Obama. Apparently not ALL of them are moving that way.

Obama sheep are hilarious. You take this guy for his word, yet he has absolutely no experience to back up what he is saying. He is nothing more than a smooth talking car salesman..about to sell you all a lemon. His Socialist & Carter-like pacifism will be horrible for the U.S. Take a look at the friends he keeps..Wright, Ayers, Meeks, and surely more to find out about. He's a pompous, inexperienced unknown who is "Just Words". hellnobama dot com

This is a dog whistle to PA working class whites. She may have leaked it herself. Trying to deflect away from the real threat to her in PA: "Screw 'em." Maybe. The media seems to have passed that one by, so maybe not. Even so, this new one is a definite dog whistle.

Sen. Clinton needs to drop out before she can drag the Democrats down any further. These are Republican talking points - the last thing we need is another high-profile Democrat (hello Joe Lieberman!) endorsing them. We need to UNITE and WIN THIS THING in November.

She's outed now and she will now have to move farther rightin an attempt to win as many popular votes as she can in Pa., NC, Ind. ,WV and Ky. That's her only hope. But, I don't think the Supers will go for it. There's not a dimes worth of difference between her and McCain at this point. The sight and sound of Hannity defending and praising her makes me sick to my stomach.

Connie - Hillary Clinton lost the right to call it "Bush's War" when she did not bother to read the confidential National Intelligence Estimate. Period. She had a oversight role and failed at it. I don't know that Obama would have done better, but we now know that she will jump to support a popular, media-driven, unplanned war without asking for sacrifice. I don't have faith that she wouldn't do it again.

You people are insane. To say that Hillary Clinton is a republican is INSANE BEHAVIOR. I think its safe to say YOBAMA supporters are Demcratic Terrorists trying to terrorize people into believing the CRAP that they BLOG ..DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE JOBS? or LIVES? CLINTON supporters cant keep up with YOBAMA BLOGGERS because most of them are working busy productive positive Americans.

The only way to win at this point is superdelegates. We've known this since Super Tuesday (or the failure to revote FL/MI at the latest). The superdelegates are not swing voters. They are Democratic Party activists. Clinton took her eyes off the ball on this one.

Why don't we all just admit it, the democratic party is finished!
Obama's followers hate the Clintons and anything related to them or anyone who supports them. They detest anyone who might have any kind of question or doubt about the new-kind of politician.
The Hillary supporters question whether Obama has the qualifications to be president and see the democratic party as circumventing the voters to get their candidate the nomination through the use of the superdelegates.
Interesting to know that most of Obama's followers readily point out that Senator Clinton would need them to defeat Sen. McCain in a general election while they conveniently ignore the fact that they would need Sen. Clinton's supporters for Sen. Obama to defeat Sen. McCain in a general election.
I have been and will continue to support Sen. Clinton until she is eliminated from the race, if she is. At that point, if she is not the democratic nominee, I will be supporting Sen. McCain. Up until yesterday I thought I could probably vote for him for president even though I still have questions about his past associations and think he is probably the most arrogant SOB I have ever seen (think anyone running for president has to be somewhat arrogant and have a ego big enough for a dozen people, but yesterday with his Pres. Chavez-like UN podium act of dusting himself off "in front of his element" sealed the deal. I will not vote for someone who acts like a damn juvenile!

Hillary is exactly wright. The far-far-left MoveOn.org loves Obama...because he is far-far left. This is nothing like the "cling" Obama comment...quite trying to compare them. All of the Obama sheep are hilarious. You take this guy for his word, yet he has absolutely no experience to back up what he is saying. He is nothing more than a smooth talking car salesman..about to sell you all a lemon. His Socialist & Carter-like pacifism will be horrible for the U.S. Take a look at the friends he keeps..Wright, Ayers, Meeks, and surely more to find out about. He's a pompous, inexperienced unknown who is "Just Words". hellnobama dot com

If Obama wins the nomination for President, believe me, you will become even more disappointed. You chose not to listen to Hillary's agenda about the issues. Her primary focus is getting the troops out of Iraq and taking care of them outside of Iraq. She is the better candidate for it. I believe it. Obama is drama. His speeches do not result in action.

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I am a hardcore leftist liberal and I despise moveon.org. As a gay male feminist, and a liberal, I also despise Obama and his race-baiting. Yes, I'm a latte liberal too (although anti-Starbucks), but I believe in Hillary Clinton. But in this case, just as before, the good old boyz' club will whack the 'cow' (Obama fans' comments) off the stage. I hope Obama wins the election and turns out to be the worst president ever.

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CONNIE, YOU ARE SO RIGHT.-- THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE DOING A WONDERFULL JOB IN IRAQ SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE THERE.
THE KIDS WHO ARE HERE GETTING SO EXCITED OVER oBAMA'S (COOL) ATTITUDE HAVE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW TO VOTE. THE AGE SHOULD BE RAISED TO 25.
THIS YEAR WAS THE YEAR MOST SENSIBLE GROWN UPS WERE WAITING FOR. GETTING BUSH OUT, A GOOD DEMOCRAT IN, PREFERABLY HILLARY CLINTON AND THEN oBAMAKIN'S WAS PUSHED INTO THE LIME LITE AND HERE WE ARE. -- IN A HECK OF A MESS UF YOU ASK ME. WE SEEM TO BE ABOUT TO THROW THE BEST CANDIDATE UNDER THE BUS FOR A GUY THAT HAS EXCITING PEP RALLYS. aFTER THE GUY GETS TO BE THE NOMINEE, THEN WHAT? --TELL ME (MOVE-ON) WHAT HAS HE EVER SAID THAT WAS HIS OWN IDEA? HE HAS NONE!!!!
WHEN HE GAVE hILLARY THE LITTLE BRUSH OFF EVEN THAT WAS A COPY.
DON'T FORGET TO GET OUT TO VOTE ON TUESDAY FOR
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Funny this should come up, since only a day or so ago I responded to a moveon.org message about ABC's treatment of Obama, requesting that I sign a petition. Hell, no! I wasn't about to sign that petition, and I responded to their contact us link and expressed my disproval about the way they jumped onto the Obama "Hallelujah Wagon" before even knowing who he was...and this was weeks and weeks ago. Now here they are, after a chance to get some opportunity to see how Obama will hold up against the Republican Assault Machine in the fall, and what happens? Moveon.org goes into a tantrum, losing their heads again, without even appreciating the opportunity that was at hand to see how an Obama nominee would stand up against McCain. This is like cutting ones face off to spite ones nose! Shame on moveon.org, shame on you for refusing to consider the premature move you made that might cost the Democratic Party its one chance to overtake the Republican Party for the White House in November. You latte-drinking silly people don't seem to recognize the reality that we're at war, and that war will be exacerbated by a McCain presidency. You screwed up royally, because my guess is that if Obama is the nominee, the Republicans keep the White House. You silly, silly bunch of self-important fools. Say what you may about me, because I have had my say, and it's on the record that this American was using his head, not a gut rivved up by Starbuck latte caffeine. Shame on you!

Hillary is disgusting. MoveOn defended her disgusting scumbag of a husband from impeachment.
Bill got a ****ing ******** from a 21 year old intern -- a woman younger than Chelsea is right now. The Clintons are ****ing pigs.
Hillary is a total liar. MoveOn was not against fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. They were against the war in Iraq. A stupid war which she voted for.
Is that what her great experience taught her? To not read the intelligence report? To go along with what the Chimp and Darth Vader say is true?
Hillary is a disgusting, filthy little pig.

Wow, way to go Hillary. She is a Democrat, right? She seems to be a part of her own political party at this point. What a shame...and just think of all the praise she would have received if she A. would have dropped out respectably and endorsed Obama or B. Went on with the nomination battle in a civil manner instead of helping the GOP to bloody Obama and the Democrats as a whole heading into November.

Let' see here. Can she insult anyone else. All the states she doesn't win, don't matter. Caucus state, doesn't matter since they are not big states and who cares they are just Red States anyway. According to Bill Clinton, young people don't get it since they like Obama so they don't matter. When she loses South Carolina, it doesn't matter since Jesse Jackson won there too so they insult the black population. Bill Richardson is a Judas and he doesn't matter even though that is a terrible insult to Hispanics. Now they are insulting MoveOn who happens to have a hell of a lot of Democrats in it who support the party big time with fund raising but they don't matter since they are mean to Hillary and don't support here. Sounds to me like she better head to the Republican party. Oh I forgot, she probably already has.

I've helped MoveOn.org as a volunteer on its signature issue against the war, and in getting out the vote in the 2006 midterms, but my interest is waning after their decision to endorse in the primary, and the silly staged events against the media for "parroting Fox" and dumping on Obambi this week. I think they're wimping out on the war by not pushing leadership harder for anything more than "troop-friendly" measures, and for backing a guy who is an empty but eloquent Harvard suit.

I am one of those activists and I'm an activist because I want better for my country and for my 10 month old son. I have friends who have missed the birth of their children fighting in Iraq. The Home I bought in 1999 is barely worth what I paid for it, I pay thousands in health care coverage, gasoline is heading to $4 a gallon. Your Damn Right I'm an Activist! So HRC looks down on me for wanting better for OUR country. She is into this election to only better HER position!!! PERIOD! She lost 11 contests in a row, EVERYONE knew after super tuesday that she was in BIG TROUBLE. Since she WILL NOT win, she wants to take the rest of us and our country with her (I would say DOWN with her, but Bush has already done this for us). Talk down to us HRC!! At my caucus, I watered and fed your supporters as a fellow democrat and activist!

The headline on the home page had it right. MoveOn may be a pillar, but MoveOn is most definitely not the base. Distraction tactic from the PuffObamaPost because their messiah tanked in the debate and has now been caught out giving Senator Clinton the finger. Classy.

I N S A N E You people are insane. To say that Hillary Clinton is a republican is INSANE BEHAVIOR. I think its safe to say YOBAMA supporters are Democratic Terrorists trying to terrorize people into believing the CRAP that they BLOG ..DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE JOBS? or LIVES? CLINTON supporters cant keep up with YOBAMA BLOGGERS because most of them are working busy productive positive Americans. Hillary JUST GOT 3 SUPERDELEGATES TODAY ...IM STARTING A MOVEMENT...GET OVER IT.com anyone in?

I N S A N E You people are insane. To say that Hillary Clinton is a republican is INSANE BEHAVIOR. I think its safe to say YOBAMA supporters are Democratic Terrorists trying to terrorize people into believing the CRAP that they BLOG ..DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE JOBS? or LIVES? CLINTON supporters cant keep up with YOBAMA BLOGGERS because most of them are working busy productive positive Americans. Hillary JUST GOT 3 SUPERDELEGATES TODAY ...IM STARTING A MOVEMENT...GET OVER IT.com anyone in?

Sen. Clinton was absolutely right on to say what she had to say about moveon.org's immature, "oh, ain't we so important, look at us" fools. I voted against their poll that was taken weeks and weeks ago about choosing either Obama or Sen. Clinton. Well, it was then that I got a true glimpse into the power-hungry nature of this far-left organization. I will no longer accept anything from them, and I will encourage other to protest their hasty move to take sides too early, without even finding out that Obama is a whining fool who will lose in November, IF he is the nominee (I can just hear the bunch of them now: "What do you mean, IF?") I'm with "Don" (above) whose sensible post hit the nail on the head. You think you Suburu-driving, Starbuck latte-drinking snobs will cut down a true Democrat and not get a backlash from such hateful tricks? This primary is not over, and the general election will probably be a disappointing mess because you refuse to use your heads! You need to heed what Don said, above.

I am both a MoveOn member and a Hillary supporter. MoveOn has been a positive influence for promoting progressive ideas; however, we didn't save Bill from impeachment, we simply supported him during that ridiculous farce.
We are the furthermost left-wing pillar of the Democratic Party and tend to be overly idealistic and vitriolic towards anyone who dissents who doesn't embrace every one of our tenents 100%.
Case in point - General Betray Us. When we took out that ad, we cut off our collective noses to spite our face! We gave our opponents the perfect opportunity to frame us as unpatriotic, liberal nay-sayers and helped play a crucial role in allowing Bush and the Republicans to continue the failed strategy in Iraq.
Any reasonable,intelligent,and mature citizen should recognize that Eli, having the best intentions, oftentimes lacks the discipline to wage a sensible and effective strategy and can come across as a raving adolescent - inciting those of us who are outraged and disgusted with the wingnuts and using our emotions to raise LOTS of cash.
We MoveOn members, and all Democrats, need to recognize that, despite our intentions, can sometimes be as harmful to our cause as we are helpful. We need to realize that we should plant both our feet firmly, and that leaning too far to left only topples our cause.
IMHO, Hillary is the best candidate to achieve such a centrist balance. If she doesn't win the nomination, I'll support Obama; because he'll definitely need those of us with cool heads to help defeat the Republican attack machines. I'm afraid that the ranting and raving that I see from many of his supporters will only alienate the majority of Americans who ARE centrist and independent.

It's worth remembering that FDR, to get the New Deal done, was obliged to slap down the far-left wing of the Democratic Party of his day. At least those people were authentic leftists. But I suppose that FDR, too, is anathema to the MoveOn fauxgressives. If they've ever heard of him, that is.

Hillary shows once again why she is far more electable then Obama. Let the fantasy world "activists", you know the guys who think the US govt destroyed the WTC buildings, decide who the Dem nominee is. Obama will be lucky to win 10 states.

You big dumb Obamazombies! You all think you're so cool with your smooth jazz candidate, and his soaring, inspirational speeches that make you go all gaga like giggling teenage girls, and his delegate leads, and his popular vote leads, and his state victory lead, and his 80 superdelegate gain since January, and all that other stupid stuff! Just shut up! Just shut your big gaping pie holes right this minute! Big dummies!
GO HILLLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I caucused for Obama and there wasn't any MoveOn people there or any intimidation. The caucus was set up to get people more involved in the party on the local level, and it works. After the county caucus, we were all really good friends in our precinct(Clinton & Obama alike) and knew that the main thing was we would pull together to beat McCain and keep the majority in Congress, and support our state and local candidates. It's good for people to get involved. It was my first time to caucus and I really appreciated the result and enjoyed getting to know the other Democrats in our area.

Good for Hillary Clinton.... We do not need a President who is extreme liberal or extreme conservative.... We need a moderate to work with both sides.. She doesn't need to deny this or explain it for that matter. She was not attacking their religion or calling them bitter... She was stating how a group, who at some time had a great reason to exist, who now have gotten out of control... Good for Hillary Clinton to state the obvious.

Are some of you implying all Obama supporters are left wing liberals? Last I checked, Obama was has over 47% support of people who plan to vote for a democratic candidate. Over 47%. That includes democrats on the left, in the middle, some independents and even some republicans. Through this whole primary process, Obama has shown he can grow his base, while Hillary shown she can not. As this primary has gone on, Hillary's trust worthiness and liability have plummeted. Now she offends MoveOn.org? It just amazes me how arrogant this woman really is.

Republicans hate Hillary Clinton with the white-hot fury of a gamma burst.
Half of the Democrats are learning to appreciate that hatred.
Now, we hear that you are lashing out at ACTIVISTS that Democrats need to help GOTV for not just the presidency, but also for Congress, state and local elections.
Come on. Wrap it up.

What people should be commenting on is why Move.On supports Obama and not just any democrat that wins the primary, the answer is because Obama is a left wing looney that thinks he just has to talk about unity and can't we all just get along but what he wants to do is move America to the left in ways that I don't think America grasps.

I have to add this, whatever hatefulness might be lodged against me by moveon.org worshippers. I am so happy to read the most recent posts here regarding this matter. Do you notice that those true Democrats who reason against what moveon.org has done, to alienate the centrists and independents, do so in a sensible and focused manner, not the kind of knee-jerk hate-filled ranting and raving that those who hate Hillary and who apparently support the immature actions of moveon.org express themselves? They sound so much like their messiah, Obama. They can't think, since they're buzzed beyond being able to reason from the brandname latte they snort.

Great job Hillary **** of the Democratic base. Like usual she is showing that she is not fit to be president because of her short sighted mindset. She would have to depend on grass roots Democratic groups to win the election. In no is she electable in the Fall, she will lose all the new voters that Obama has brought to the Democratic Party.

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You're absolutely correct. The "intimidation" lies really got started when the Clintons finally got around to reading the Texas Primary-Caucus rules ONE WEEK BEFORE THE CONTEST.
(Hillary "Ready on Day One" Clinton: Wrap it up.)

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Republicans were right on the mark about Hillary Clinton. No wonder Bill was a philanderer -- his cold and calculating wife is the primary reason for his escapades.

Hillary is not a Republican - she is a Clinton. This has nothing to do with party loyalty or affiliation. It's all about the Clintons' pathological need to regain the Presidency. They would rather maim the Democratic party than admit that she will never, ever be President.

I have been thinking about this,and as silly as it sounds, maybe she's positioning herself as McCain's VP pick.... he'll call it reaching across the aisle to unite the country....she'll call it biding her time.... At this point, nothing would be too far-fetched to surprise me.

This is what kills me:
"So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."
I can't think of any circumstance short of someone holding a gun to my head that could possibly come between me and voting for the person of my choice. The Clintons LOST the caucuses because they FAILED to organize for them. Hillary "Ready on Day One" Clinton didn't prepare for them.

MoveOn was specifically founded to help tell the country to move on past the Bill Clinton impeachment. Now Hillary is throwing them under the bus because they support Obama. MoveOn will now not lift a finger for her campaign in the fall. Another brilliant move by the Hillary I cannot get the nomination so I hate the Democrats campaign.

The problem with Hillary's statements are that not everyone in Moveon.org are Obama supporters. Moveon had a poll and the winner of the poll won their endorsement. Since the poll wasn't 100% Obama, that means there are hundreds of thousands of Hillary voters who are members of Moveon.org. She just belittled those supporters.

Over the last few weeks, she has really done more damage than good. I wouldn't say she needs to drop out as she owes her supporters who expect her to do her very best, not her very worst.

Moveon.org has several friends. Hugo Chavez is one. He has no problem with the press in Venezuela. He just has them write what he says. He doesn't have problems with banks and industry. He just takes them over for the state. Nice friends you guys keep, George Soros. Go back to Europe and preach your brand of socialism there. When you say "move on" you mean Democracy and Capitalism, right?

Sen Clinton is correct.
MoveOn.org is very involved in changing the media, foreign and national policy. Their foot soldiers are aggressive and relentless campaigning for Obama. In Minnesota the caucus was chaos and I was informed I didn't have to stay after inserting my little piece of paper with my choice into an open office envelope. I could see other votes hanging out of it. And it was very hard to see which candidate was connected to which line. I was urged not to stay because the room was already full.
I thought the caucus was ripe for corruption.

Why should she worry about Moveon.org. They're a paper tiger. They backed Obama before the California election. Most of their supporters are from that state. Guess who won the election? Hillary! No wonder she could care less what they think. The closer Obama moves to fringe left wing organizations like this one, the less a chance he has of winning with the average American.

While saying that, "Obama can't stand the heat", out of one side of her mouth, Hillary makes numerous complaints on the other side of her mouth. One can't tell Hillary, "if you can't stand the heat ... get out of the kitchen", because she doesn't cook or do anything feminine. Now you tell me, who' the elitist?

You know Obama supporters are part of the weird, far left wing fringe of the Democratic party when they think ABC news and Hillary are too far right. Give me a freaking BREAK! The party is being taken over by these LOONS! Let's stand up not let them have it!!!

Oh please MM, the MN caucuses were not overrun and chaotic because of any moveon.org foot soldiers.

The MN caucuses were in chaos, because the MN Dem party, like so many in other states, completely underestimated how many people would show up to vote for either Obama or Clinton.

You know darn well that every person working there regardless of candidate affiliation told everyone they could leave after casting their vote because the voting was done up front and the rest of the caucus was devoted to determining delegates to the state convention and setting agenda's and such.

Most people who went to the caucus this year only wanted to vote and not hang around. If you wanted to stay, they could not have forced you to leave.

Was it a mess? Absolutely. Do I think it should be a primary in the future? Maybe. Unfortunately, I don't think in our lifetimes we will ever see turnout again like this, so any changes made in the way things are done because of what went on this year will be a knee jerk reaction.

Not only is she stupid for dissing MoveOn.org, she's dead wrong about the caucuses. I am a 39 year old independent that went to the Iowa caucuses for the very first time to caucus for Obama. There were many people there for Obama that I have no doubt are not members of MoveOn.org.

MM, the caucus was fair and not ripe for corruption, and I did not see any 'footsoldiers' among the mostly 65+ year-olds who were running the show at my polling place. They were all very gracious and welcoming, and at that time, the older ladies were all Hillary supporters. As of our district meetings, the Hillary delegates are no longer so enthusiastic, but they are pledged to go forth for their candidate. Could the whole system be corrupted either way for either candidate? Yes, of course. Has it been? No. We are all just that excited about Barack Obama and the opportunity to be represented by a candidate who is being funded by average Americans rather than lobbyists, foreign governments, and rich CEOs. I'm sick of the way Washington is run by special interest groups. I want the American people to have a seat at the table. I want CHANGE.
Yes, we can.

me thinks hillary needs to move on.
she has more negatives than one of those long algbra probems that comes out with a negative value as an answer.
will rogers said it best. he did not belong to any organized political party he was a demo.
mc war lays back and soaks up votes from middle class america that thinks he was a war hero for being shot down down over nam.
he knows better and wants to bomb bomb iran to feel better about himself.
dumb americans will give thier lives and treasure to do just that.

I N S A N E You people are insane. To say that Hillary Clinton is a republican is INSANE BEHAVIOR. I think its safe to say YOBAMA supporters are Democratic Terrorists trying to terrorize people into believing the CRAP that they BLOG ..DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE JOBS? or LIVES? CLINTON supporters cant keep up with YOBAMA BLOGGERS because most of them are working busy productive positive Americans. Hillary JUST GOT 3 SUPERDELEGATES TODAY ...IM STARTING A MOVEMENT...GET OVER IT.com anyone in?

Senator Hillary Clinton is a named defendant in a Civil Fraud case and could possibly be charged with Criminal Perjury Charges. The Trial Date will be set on April 25th, just 3 Days AFTER the Pennsylvania Primary.......Los Angeles Superior Court--case number: BC304174.

MoveOn has become the Obama network and is not what it used to be. MoveOn does NOT represent the base of the Democratic Party and is now a far left ultra liberal joke of an organization.
More people should have the courage to tell MoveOn.org to shove it. I did. Withdrew my membership after they started running anti-American ads.
MoveOn, you can kiss my big fat black butt!!

MoveOn is the base?
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! LMAO!!!
The base??? Now that is funny!!!
MoveOn is the base of the ULTRA FAR left wing liberals but they are FAR FAR from representing the base of the Democratic Party!
Thanks for the laugh, Ben.

PA Democrat please congratulate Hil on her superdel pick-ups. Now starting today and counting backwards to Super Tuesday add up all the ones she's picked up versus the one's Barack did. (Hint: You can do Hillary's using two hands but you may need an abacus to do BO's)

Senator Hillary Clinton is a named defendant in a Civil Fraud case and could possibly be charged with Criminal Perjury Charges. The Trial Date will be set on April 25th, just 3 Days AFTER the Pennsylvania Primary.......Los Angeles Superior Court--case number: BC304174.

Connie:
You are a perfect example of the Baby Boomer generation. By far the laziest, most pathetic, entitlement believing people ever. Baby boomers had everything given to them and they grew up NEVER having to work for anything. That is why they hate Obama supporters. They demand that people give them Hillary as President but NONE of the fat lazy baby boomer slobs feel she has to work for it. Connie, you're pathetic. I say Lower the voting age to 16 years. You baby boomers make me sick. I hope to hell that social security benefits are drastically slashed. If you don't have enough saved, tough crap, that is your fault.

Really reaching here.. by the way, I noticed that you neglected to mention that Clinton picked up three superdelegates today. I'm so curious to see what your coverage will be like when you no longer have to cheerlead for Barack!

I am an older female Democrat( closer to Hillary Clinton's voting demographic). I have never identified with left or right. I am not a centrist either. Maybe a new label should be pragmatic Democrat for me. On guns, I support the 2nd amendment even though I do not own one. But, I do see the problems in urban communities with certain firearms. I am a Christian through and through-always will be. I agree on some issues with both left and right. Abortion-- personally I would never consider it-would most likely talk someone out of it--but would never actively try to overturn Roe-v-Wade. The war in Iraq did not start off as a top item for me until I learned the truth. Like Obama said 'I AM NOT AGAINST ALL WARS, JUST DUMB ONES'.
Bill Clinton's problem is that he won with overwhelming black support. He mentioned Jesse Jackson winning SC. But since then, others have won the state's primaries. J Edwards won it in 2004 even though other black presidential candidates were running. Other non-black candidates have won there since Jesse Jackson. Bill Clinton won the TEXAS CAUCUS that his wife is now complaining about.
I am not a member, nor have ever given to any political groups including MOVEON. WHY WAS IT NECESSARY FOR HER TO TRASH A GROUP THAT PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW DID NOT ENDORSE HER CANDIDACY. If she is trying to prove something to the non-MOVEON crowd, the non-endorsement should have been enough proof for her. Criticizing 'activists' in your own party is stupid. Denouncing one person is acceptable, but to discount a whole host of people (not just MOVEON) is DOWNRIGHT STUPID. Bill Clinton's campaign theme of 1992 resembles Barack Obama's more than this one that Hillary Clinton is running. It is a different era(modern technology), and news travels faster also.
Why close the door on certain groups in order to woo another?
Look how the GOP ran their campaign. For the most part, they woo their 'base' without discounting other segments. When their candidate lost a state, I never heard the types of comments coming from them(unlike the Clintons).
She will never really get and keep Republican voters in the general. Bill Clinton tried to placate them, and got impeached as a thank-you. Republicans do not like them(despite their pretense now). The Republicans overall still despise the Clintons.
The Republicans, as a whole, will not flock to her after they find out about Hillary Clinton working for a law firm with Communist sympathizers. or the BLACK PANTHER. All of her baggage(old and new ones created since 2000) will be on full display if she ever makes it to November. For a large segment of the population, who were either too young or were inattentive during the 1990's, the Clinton scandals will be reintroduced/repackaged.

Ben Smith is totally in the tank for the Obamanable Showman. Au contraire to Obama's scorn for "bitter" Dems who may have lost their jobs---Hillary is scornful of rich elitists who comprise MoveOn's leadership.
Smith is either stupid or completely dishonest.

Patrick, Indianapolis, Your comments show how dense and ignorant you are. You are so brainwashed by Obama's speech. That is why other countries think we are stupid and naive. You barely know who Obama is. You certainly don't know me. FYI, I am an educated black woman who worked 30+ years as an HR Manager. So, grow up. You got a lot of learning to do. Fair warning about Obama.

"MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with."
THIS WOMAN IS SINGLEHANDEDLY TEARING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO SHREDS. If there is ANYBODY who can...PLEASE SAVE THE PARTY.

Pretty dumb to think she can win without them and every state that caucused. Telling people who caucused that they only voted the way they did because a certain activist group forced them to isn't going to bode well.
Not a big deal and certainly something Hillary supporters can and should jump on to claim as an example of a petty comment overblown. But not something that will bode well with a group that's become extremely important to the democratic party.
This shouldn't be on the nightly news, but it is going to make Barack a whole ****-load of money.

So here's my theory, assuming the Clintons have continued their solipsistic pattern of short-term gain thinking:
They're only focused on a rout in PA. Clinton "leaked" this herself.
As was reported today, thousands of flyers further explaining Ayers history and Obama's guilt by association magically appear in people's mailboxes.
MoveOn is an ACTIVIST organization. To the uninitiated, activist=radicals. Of course they're backing Obama, he hangs-out with mad bombers! As far as the primaries go, she loses nothing because MoveOn backs Obama. She gains some scandal (the notion of Obama/Ayers, however thin, will at the very least be planted), and some more points?maybe a lot more. Meanwhile, Hillary looks like the stable, moderate Democrat. Sure she lies, but they all do?right?
Or?it blows-up in her face and people get so sick of the whole negative thing that they just don?t vote.
I?m losing my mind, aren?t I?

Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Mr. Smith goes to greed. Mr. Smith plays the referee. Mr. Smith supports the Iraq War because he thinks Hills has repented. Mr. Smith is wrong, really wrong. If you are not a part of the solution you are the problem.

Connie -- I am honored to be among the posters here who are with your reasoning, who would warn the electorate about their naive decision to hop onto the "Hallelujah Wagon" of Obama, who promises "unity" at the same time he slashes and burns anyone who wants to know who he really is! He has whined himself into a position with moveon.org, appealing to the "hate Hillary" crowd of young, malleable minds who might rightfully be disillusioned by Washington, but are ignorant of what they are doing to undercut the party's chance of taking the White House in November. They cut off their faces to spite their noses and don't even know that's what they're doing. It's scary to read the dumb posts here by Obama supporters who would do anything to win, while taking down the very candidate who gave them a chance to get the Republican Party out of the White House. Oh, for the young and foolish, the price they must pay for it.

URGENT MESSAGE TO PENNSYLVANIA VOTERS
This message is for ALL the Pennsylvania voters
I urge you to vote for Barack Obama on the 22nd of April
Here are just a few of the reasons why we need to stop the Clinton "three ring circus
Hilary tells a group in her campaign headquarters-- the BLUE COLLAR voters who dont vote for me
SCREW THEM they are not that important anyway in PENNSYLVANIA
She supports NAFTA
The Bosnia lies
Her entire 15 month campaign has been nothing more than shambles to say the least
She bases her campaign on say what the people want to her in each campaign stop according to what she thinks they need--- with no regard to really what the real issues are
She makes two or three proposals every day... these are just proposals that would never even be voted on in the Senate-- That is how vain they are
If Pennsylvania dont stop her, the end result will be a lot worse than the way she has run her campaign
It will be a total disaster to have this candidate as commander and chief..
Please Pennsylvania end it on the 22 of April.
thank you

Q: How does one remove the bloated upside down female candidate that's floating is the democrat campaign fishbowl?
A: You can't. The corpse is blcoking your escape from below. You have to chew right through the offal to break through to the surface and clean air.

""""Also, though some people associated with MoveOn opposed the Afghan war, the group says it didn't."""""" Yep, i sure do believe moveon.org just like I believe MSNBC, NYT, LAT or the other liberal "so called" journalistic efforts. ----------------------------- Jimmee Carter is making a fool out of himself, the Democrats, the Liberals and nothing is said in the MSM. I'd love to see the State Department yank his passport and leave stranded in a "country" he adores "Peaceful Palestine"

I N S A N E You people are insane. To say that Hillary Clinton is a republican is INSANE BEHAVIOR. I think its safe to say YOBAMA supporters are Democratic Terrorists trying to terrorize people into believing the CRAP that they BLOG ..DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE JOBS? or LIVES? CLINTON supporters cant keep up with YOBAMA BLOGGERS because most of them are working busy productive positive Americans. Hillary JUST GOT 3 SUPERDELEGATES ...IM STARTING A MOVEMENT...GET OVER IT.com anyone in?

Hillary Betrays US liberal loons. A Sista Souljah moment.
MoveOn.org matters only among the jackbooted left anti-everything lunatics. Mainstream gun and bible clinging Americans from small towns all across the nation know that MoveOn.org is a conglomeration of radical wingnut socialists. They have antipathy against people who think like MoveOn.org minions. The last MoveOn candidate got crushed in the 2006 election. Ned Lamont, another empty suit, put up MoveOn to run against Lieberman in CT.

"I N S A N E You people are insane."
We are the insane ones, my friends, and we'll cling to our guns till the end! We are the insane ones! We are the insane ones! No time for losing, it's time for the Bible and our guns!

Billary is now whining about Move0n.org? What happened to claims of being tough?
Aah, it's the "say-anything, do-anything to win" candidate who will accuse her opponent of not being tough when her moderator lackies attack him but can't take it when Moveon.org takes her on.

Come on Hillary,say it again! Screw'em!
We've all gotta do what we do best and screwing is a natural for both Clintons.
Hey Hil, 35,000 Pennsylvanians didn't just happen to be in the neighborhood last night in Philly.

Strategically, HRC has all of KErry's vulnerabilities, x2, plus her own.
She voted the AUMF and Kyl-Lieberman. She voted for TWO wars before she made a speech against them.
Don't get me wrong; I 'm just ***CONCERNED*** about the Republicans will use this against her. Ya think they will?
Good BYE.

Expatriot... These kids are intoxicated on their own illusion about Obama because he's "cool"--see how he dusts off that dirt from his shoulder, how smug he appears to be, like there's not a general election after the primary. I bumped into a Frenchman here yesterday, and he is insane about Obama: "We've got to do something radical," he said, as pointed heavenward with his gestured exclamation! I informed him we have to do something "cool"--I mean, really cool, like keeping our heads, instead of cutting off our faces. He reacted as if he couldn't believe something thought differently, saw things in a way that opposed his view. It's as if the air had gone out of a baloon. He didn't have time to explord at my remarks, the way the moveon.org Obama supporters here are reacting to an honest report from two politico.com reporter, John Harris and Jim VanderHei. Cool heads must prevail in this primary, and if Pennsylvanians keep cool and give Hillary a boost, the American people and the Democratic Party might win in November. But the extreme left tactics of moveon.org and their messiah will destroy the unity they claim they're creating, destroy a unity that would have occurred if Obama had done the honorable thing and left the race to cool heads, unlike his own.

Well I am a member of Move On and I join back at the beginning in effort to help her husband. I am also for the attack on afghanistan and not happy at all about Iraq.
When we Endorsed Obama, it was based on a vote and she is bitter that she lost. She not only she got smoked by 40 points, so she is lashing out at us. But we are above it and that is why we didnt vote for her in the first place.

Clinton is wrong in her analysis. She, in fact, had the support of many local/state democrats who put their organization to work for her. Obama, on the other hand, registered new voters and brought in many all-ready registered who seldom (if ever) vote in primaries an caucuses. Many had never heard of MoveOn.org.
No wonder Hillary keeps losing. She's blaming the wrong people for her defeats.

She created an organization that is now eating her alive.
Remember their mantra;
"We own it, (the party) we bought it, (Their party) why? Because we paid for it. (That party)
My addition to that...We're destroying it! (OUR political process)

If Moiveon continues to support Obama after nomination, he will definitely lose the election. Moveon is the left of everybody else. These *******s have put their foot in the mouth many times before. Obama is their last hurrah! Of course, Obama deserves to lose. The average American thinks Moveon is an extension of socialism and they are not ready.

Hey, everybody...Can we all just chill a bit - Obama supporters don't like Clinton and vice-versa but there's no need to be so nasty to one another. I am a strong Obama supporter but When Russett showed those clips in one of the debates I thought it was cheap shots to embarass Hillary. I thought this weeks debate was silly for the first half. The Ayres question was a fair one since it had not been brought up before - the question to Obama asking if Rev Wright loves America was downright appalling - how does one respond to such an innane question - same for the flag pin. On the other side I thought asking Hillary about polling finding her to be untruthful was a cheap shot. On Rev Wright, Bosnia and Bittergate, I thought they were redundant questions that have been addressed so many times before.
This debate just proves how badly we need The League of Women Voters to handle them again - TV personalities have no business handling anything as important as debates for this election. From CNN's YouTube debates to these timewasting silly gottcha questions not one of the 21 debates has been worth the time viewers foolishly invested in them.
Please be nice - we all want what's best for our country.
FYI, I am a 71 year old white great-grandmother

When her supporers are going to wake up and realize that she is nothing but a Republican Trogan Horse in Democratic primaries. How can any Democrat vote for her
when she is attaking the party's own base?

There is a difference between discussing the activities of Moveon and claiming that people in PA cling to their guns and religion and do not like people that do look like them. This is the apple and oranges argument that Obama uses to draw relativism when there is not any there. The comments of Rev Wright in no way compare to his typical white grandmother. Hillary comments in regarding the campaigning of Moveon does not compare with calling people of PA bigots.

If Moveon is the base of the party, be ready for a steady stream of losses.... The right would like to believe moveon is the base like the left would like to believe the klan is the base of the right. At least McCain is a moderate (if not somewhat liberal) Republican compared to the socialists the left put up.

What came first? The Clinton or the Rove? Is Clinton copying Rove tactics? Or is Clinton copying Rove copying Clinton tactics? If one is serious about doing away with Rove style politics, ask yourself a simple question...What came first?

If I'm not mistaken Primary winners are determined by who wins the most Delegates. Given this fact is Clinton still claiming a win in Texas? The last count I saw showed Senator Obama with 103 Delegates to Hillary's 90. True she did get the "Popular" vote. But in a race determined by delegates, she was the clear loser. Maybe she (and the press) use some Math not known to the rest of known universe..... 2 out of 15 wins?......If there was ever a sign from the people to move on....that would be it.

Who cares. Most of us here in the center, moderates, are astounded how the far-left socialist leaning nitwits that make up the bulk of Moveon.org have taken over the democratic party anyway. We'll never vote for Obama over McCain in November anyway.

H Clinton was a republican and still is. Know your facts. She was not even a dem until she hitched to Bill rising star and saw a chance. I really dont even think they love each other. It is a marriage of convience. Lets not forget Bill Clinton is a convicted lier.

Ha, ha, ha. Great. Now I am much more convinced that Hillary is my candidate. Who wants to be associated with that bunch of loonies called MoveOn.Org? Who wants to be associated with a group that wants to make America an image of Mao's communist China? Who wants to be associated with a group that wants the media to ask only questions that help their cause? Who wants to join a group of fanatics attack fiercely anybody who disagrees with them?

First of all Moveon.org is not the base. It's original intent was as a PAC to defend Democrats against GOP attacks, like President Clinton during his impeachment. However, over the past 5 years it has been radicalized by leftists and Naderists and extreme progressives and anti-war fanatics. It has basically used the war as a marketing tool to promote extremist views and candidates upon the party. They were one of the major backers of Lamont over Lieberman that cost the party a seat in the Senate and turned Lieberman towards McCain.

HRC does not have the support of moveon , Huffpuff , and Kos so why kiss up now . She is showing the delegates what a mistake they are about to make . I am starting to believe McCaine may actually have a chance .

Going after Democratic activists at this point?
Does she even bother to note that most Democratic superdelegates and volunteers are Democratic activists?!
This is worse than screwing up a description of voter attitude in Pennsylvania. This impacts every state still in contention, and every superdelegate. Going after them is political suicide.
Frankly, her chances of winning the nomination were already slim... but now, they're nil.