The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

I know birthers will particularly miss me, but am on a brief vacation until this coming Friday. At Mont Tremblant (look it up), and for Rogue, yes, it's in province of Québec amongst those `not nice people. Take care all, the Laurentians are marvels.+

<quoted text>Ellen you are wrong. Stanley Dunham Obama Soetoro's passport records for this time period was removed from the State Department files in 2008 by an employee of John Brennan who at the time was a campaign advisor to Obama.Anything embarrassing or problematic was removed from her file. That is why only the renewal is in place. Those files are kept for 100 years per the State Department. And in a letter of reply to a Freedom of Information suit by Mr. Strunk they indicated that the file was missing, and they had no explaination as to why.This took place when the break-in of the State Department Passport files were accessed on McCain, Clinton, Obama in 2008. Do you not remember Rice's news conference??? This is not the first time that the Democrats have taken government files. I distinctly remember one advisor of Bill Clinton removing records and shredding them.

Re things being removed from her file. Yes, thousands of documents were removed from thousands of files as a space-saving move in the 1970s, but an application for a US passport for a child in the US Consulate in Kenya would have been filed under "applications for US passports (or applications for changes to US passports" in Kenya in 1961, and that is what Obama would have needed to get to the USA.

If Obama's mother were one of the 21 who came to the USA from Kenya and she had brought her child with her, she would have needed a US travel document---a visa on a foreign passport or Obama being added to her passport---in order to bring him into the USA. The application for that would, as I said, be still on file under applications made for documents in Kenya. And, if it existed, the Bush Administration had eight years in which to find it.

In addition to that, there are also INS files. The way from Kenya to the USA in 1961 was via New York. There were no direct flights, and the INS files in New York in 1961 are not missing, and neither Obama's name or his mothers are on it.

In addition, the officials in Kenya have stated that there is no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya and they have no evidence that Obama's mother arrived there (which they would of course have, since they keep records of arrivals). There has been no evidence that such records have been scrapped or hidden, and there would be because such a thing would be hard to do.

So there is NO evidence of birth in Kenya, and of course it would be highly unlikely due to the distance and the risk of the trip and the fact that Obama's mother would have had to have traveled alone (WND has proven that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4). And there is the Hawaii birth certificate, the confirmations of the the facts on it and the Index Data all showing that he was born in Hawaii.

<quoted text>And then you should have no problem telling us who these 21 people are, would you?

And you should have no problem telling me why you said GE jet engines were built in Czech Republic. You have your g.d. nerve asking people for sources. How about who told you that the Supreme court had decided on the first day of deliberations that Obamacare would be defeated? Asked you those two questions several times now, no reply. Just like the other 50, 47 of which there has been no reply.

What will June's unemployment numbers be? Will it stay at 8.2% or will it hit 8.3-8.4%. I thought Obama said that if we passed his stimulus package over three years ago, unemployment would not go above 8%.And when you add the disenfranchised unemployed it is more like 11.9%.And if you count those who work less than 32 hours per week (under employed) it is over 17%.But unemployed/under employed know they are not fully employed and they VOTE!!!

<quoted text>Hmmmm, several points here again. The press? Names please! My understanding they did not see the "documents" but where given PHOTO COPIES!!! Next, were any independent documents experts were allowed to see the "documents"?

YOU ask for names? Is there no limit to your hypocritical double standard?

My older sister is 64 and wants to retire but she is holding out for a cut back so she will also get a severance pay. But for now they have cut her back to 33 hours per week so she is not counted as "part-time" employed.She works at a plant that makes florescent light bulbs (tubes) and they are being hurt because Obama's EPA has closed most of the mines making phosphorus. What her plant use to pay $600,000 a year for American mined phosphorus they are now importing from China for $3,000,000. And the Chinese light bulb makers get it FREE! Actually, we pay for it just indirectly!It is the Libtards who are sending American manufacturing jobs overseas.

<quoted text>The ONLY poling that counts is Rasmussen as they are by far the most reliable because they ONLY count those who are MOST LIKELY TO VOTE!Monday, July 02, 2012The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting 46% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...

Flaming (source of this adjective : Rogue) hypocrite. I asked you why you came out with GE engines exporting manufacturing to Czech republic. You skirt it. You wanted to blame Obama for this, yet it happened in 2008, under your 'Mission Accomplished' hero GWB. At least you could display a shred of honesty, no? I guess not.

INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

ONE document issued to a US citizen, and no name on it, and you assume it was Obama????

IF it were Obama, the Bush Administration would have found out about that fact years ago and publicized it. The fact remains that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and there is no proof that Obama and his mother were among them. There is however legal proof confirmed by the officials and birth notices that Obama was born in Hawaii.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

<quoted text>Obama was Not born of two American citizens, only one. So he does not meet the criteria for VP/President per the Constitution (plural...citizens). He would be eligible to run for a House seat or Senate seat provided he was a naturalized American. And there is the issue of an Indonesian adoption. According to the California Assembly records when he was attending Occidental College, Obama was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, a foreign student from Indonesia, who registered as such and obtained a grant from the CA Assembly as a foreign student from Indonesia.

He would meet the criteria even if none of his parents had been citizens at the time of his birth.

Sorry, but the theory that US citizenship is determined according to the Law of Nations was thoroughly repudiated by the Supreme Court.

Incidentally, the Law of Nations, per Vattel, does not specify a two citizen parent rule for "les naturels".

BTW, the time of adoption of the Constitution, was long before the rule that citizenship follows the parent had been generally established in Europe. Indeed, in France, a natural born citizen was a person born on the soil: "[A]s it certainly was in France, that, as said by Pothier,'citizens, true and native-born citizens, are those who are born within the extent of the dominion of France,' and 'mere birth within the realm gives the rights of a native-born citizen, independently of the origin of the father or mother, and of their domicile'"Pothier quoted in US v. Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 666 (1898).

Ellen wrote:

<quoted text> Sorry, the names are not listed, only the numbers:http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/06/authen ... However, there is a breakdown of the numbers. Of the 21, only seven were US citizens. That means that Obama's mother would have had only a one in seven chance of being one of those. Obama could be listed either as a citizen (if you believe that his mother was old enough to confer citizenship) or as an alien. But either way he would have had to have a US travel document--either a visa or being added to his mother's US passport---to get to the USA. That document would still be on file under applications for travel documents in Kenya in 1961, and no one has found any such thing.(And the McCain and Hillary campaigns surely tried to find it.) The Kenyan government has said officially that Obama was not born in Kenya (and his Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya), and there is certainly no evidence that Obama's mother was there in 1961. In contrast, there is a birth certificate for Obama, confirmed by the officials, confirmed by Index Data, confirmed by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which at the time were sent to the papers only by the DOH) that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.

My older sister is 64 and wants to retire but she is holding out for a cut back so she will also get a severance pay. But for now they have cut her back to 33 hours per week so she is not counted as "part-time" employed.She works at a plant that makes florescent light bulbs (tubes) and they are being hurt because Obama's EPA has closed most of the mines making phosphorus. What her plant use to pay $600,000 a year for American mined phosphorus they are now importing from China for $3,000,000. And the Chinese light bulb makers get it FREE! Actually, we pay for it just indirectly!It is the Libtards who are sending American manufacturing jobs overseas.

Cool..the wife just voted yesterday to strike.....since the county always settles with the cops, firefighters and nurses, I doubt there will be a strike.......just thought you'd like to know.

<quoted text>According to the California Assembly records when he was attending Occidental College, Obama was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, a foreign student from Indonesia, who registered as such and obtained a grant from the CA Assembly as a foreign student from Indonesia.

That's about half the percentage (27%) that repeated surveys have found believe in ghosts. Birthers have done a terrible job if after two or three years of their constant din, they cannot get half the percentage of people who believe in ghosts to doubt that Obama was born in the USA.

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