No, I read every post, and no not everyone has come to that conclusion (sadly). It doesn't matter what date you use, lmp, conception, whatever, that 2 weeks is already added on. So I'm just asking what this exactly changes. Orangegeek is actually the only one who has tried to actually explain what this law changes in regard to that 2 weeks, but I didn't really understand what she meant.

No, I read every post, and no not everyone has come to that conclusion (sadly). It doesn't matter what date you use, lmp, conception, whatever, that 2 weeks is already added on. So I'm just asking what this exactly changes. Orangegeek is actually the only one who has tried to actually explain what this law changes in regard to that 2 weeks, but I didn't really understand what she meant.

This is what I'm asking. The law is based on acceptable parameters of viability. The state of Arizona can't magically make a 20 week pregnancy/18 week old fetus survive. They will be forced to recognize that by the Supreme Court.

Maybe some of the people on that long ass list of people wanting a DS baby can adopt them. ;)

This is what I'm asking. The law is based on acceptable parameters of viability. The state of Arizona can't magically make a 20 week pregnancy/18 week old fetus survive. They will be forced to recognize that by the Supreme Court.

Maybe some of the people on that long ass list of people wanting a DS baby can adopt them. ;)

You're correct that ob's count that way. But the limits on abortion set by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade use date of conception not LMP. Every other abortion regulation use the Supreme Court standard.

You're correct that ob's count that way. But the limits on abortion set by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade use date of conception not LMP. Every other abortion regulation use the Supreme Court standard.

The sneaky Arizona government is trying to change the date of viability, to before genetic testing can be done, so women will be forced to carry possibly defective babies. There are some pretty awful birth defects out there, that cause babies to die painfully within several hours from being born.

Plus, it gives more leeway to getting abortions banned.

The sneaky Arizona government is trying to change the date of viability, to before genetic testing can be done, so women will be forced to carry possibly defective babies. There are some pretty awful birth defects out there, that cause babies to die painfully within several hours from being born.

I have pcos so I have an average of 4 periods per year, so using my last menstral cycle to calculate gestational age is not accurate for me. They need to make it clear if they are talking about the age of the fetus or the age of the pregnancy. Because if you are, say, 20 weeks pregnant, this means that the pregnancy is 20 weeks, but the fetus is 18 weeks. Which age are they talking about?

I have pcos so I have an average of 4 periods per year, so using my last menstral cycle to calculate gestational age is not accurate for me. They need to make it clear if they are talking about the age of the fetus or the age of the pregnancy. Because if you are, say, 20 weeks pregnant, this means that the pregnancy is 20 weeks, but the fetus is 18 weeks. Which age are they talking about?

The date that is older. They want the fetus as close to viability as possible in order to prevent abortion. So I guess the age of the pregnancy rather than fetal age. I don't know if that's a word but it is now.

The date that is older. They want the fetus as close to viability as possible in order to prevent abortion. So I guess the age of the pregnancy rather than fetal age. I don't know if that's a word but it is now.

Ok, so according to my handy dandy app, I am 9w0d today. I haven't had an ultrasound but if I did have one today and it turned out that I was actually at 8w0d, that gives me another week to track down the possible father and decide whether to keep it. But not with this law. I'd have to go by the older date of my LMP.

Ok, so according to my handy dandy app, I am 9w0d today. I haven't had an ultrasound but if I did have one today and it turned out that I was actually at 8w0d, that gives me another week to track down the possible father and decide whether to keep it. But not with this law. I'd have to go by the older date of my LMP.

I'm just a simple unfrozen caveman. The large strange beasts in this age that are speeding on the solid black rivers confuse me. But it doesn't make much sense to me to thing that my wife is menstruating right now and if I rub one out tonight (what we uneducated cavemen call "polishing the cave bear"), does that mean she's already pregnant? If we don't have sex this month and she get her period again in 28 days, did she miscarry or did I somehow perform at proactive abortion tonight?

I don't see how this much confusion could possibly cause problems.

-Unfrozen Caveman Nurse

I'm confused.

Pregnancy now begins at intention?

I'm just a simple unfrozen caveman. The large strange beasts in this age that are speeding on the solid black rivers confuse me. But it doesn't make much sense to me to thing that my wife is menstruating right now and if I rub one out tonight (what we uneducated cavemen call "polishing the cave bear"), does that mean she's already pregnant? If we don't have sex this month and she get her period again in 28 days, did she miscarry or did I somehow perform at proactive abortion tonight?

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