I honestly belive anything in the likes of the following is fine for shuttling aminos to muscles and to spike insulin. I may try WMS one day, but i believe items such as oats, bananas, etc are just as good.

I honestly belive anything in the likes of the following is fine for shuttling aminos to muscles and to spike insulin. I may try WMS one day, but i believe items such as oats, bananas, etc are just as good.

It's my opinion that a huge insulin spike pwo is way overrated. Generally speaking, of course, since it depends on the individual and the duration/intensity of the workout.
After a heavy leg day, for example, it's a must have for me or I could pass out or have lasting depletion. After an average arm day however, slamming 75g of simple sugar seems completely redundant. I'm not denying the faster assimilation of protein, but having ditched this method for some time now I feel it has affected my gains not in the least. Unless I truly feel depleted, my pwo carbs is a glass of grape juice or gatorade(~30-40g carbs) to transport 10-15g of creatine, then protein, then meal containing slower carbs 1 hour later.

Im kind of like that too. For my carbs PWO, i would rather consume something in the likes of bananas, grapes, pears, rice, dried fruits, apples, etc ....but again, i havent tried WMS or VITARGO yet either.

There is nothing essential about a carbohydrate and you don't need to consume them post workout. Especially when the bodies primary fuel source is fat (such as those who have been on a CKD), research has shown that IGF-1 shuttles glycogen into the muscles post workout when no carbs are present. However, if your main fuel source is carbohydrates I would definately recommend that they are consumed in the post workout period. I'll try to dig around and find that study somewhere.

when i was bulking i used to consume a 100g or so of fast digesting carbs like sugar and dextrose PW... It def seemed to help with recovery and gains, however i added some serious bodyfat

now i keep it to 20-30g if any at all and focus more on protein... several amino's elicit an insulin response as well as rodja said so i'm more inclined to chug some xtend PW and then my shake, than maxing on carbs

1. fat slows digestion and leads to a more efficient and steady amino absorbtion rate.
whey + carbs will quickly increases anabolism, but these effects are very short lived and shown to be wasteful. although amino acid concentration do increase quickly with whey + carbs, oxidation rates also increased, creating a steady state catabolism in which there is no change in overall protein balance.

2. fats are needed to produce testesterone and other hormones required for muscle building. post-workout, the body is scrambling to keep testosterone levels from dropping too low due to the rise in cortisol levels (the two hormones exist in a see-saw fashion; as one rises the other drops, and vice-a-versa).

The macros for this would come out to the following:protein = 69 (45g from powders & 16g from milk & 8g from pb)carbs = 36 (4g from powders & 26g from milk & 6g from pb)fat = 26 (16g from pb & 10g from milk)

The macros for this would come out to the following:protein = 69 (45g from powders & 16g from milk & 8g from pb)carbs = 36 (4g from powders & 26g from milk & 6g from pb)fat = 26 (16g from pb & 10g from milk)

I prefer either a whey casien blended protien with a decent amount of carbs (30g high GI or +60g low GI), as well as a good healthy fat source like natty PB.

If not then just fast absorbing protien with milk (at least 2 cups) and again in a couple hours.... Protien should be taken in decent amounts at least 30min post and then again bout 2-3 hours later. I prefer the first to be a shake like was mentioned earlier (60g/1cup blended oats, 1 bannana, 2tbsp natty PB, 2 cups of milk, 35-60gs of protien) and then a full balanced meal 2-3 hours later.

I also use AP and pslin regularly, this definately is my savior when it comes to keeping carbs from spilling over into fat stores.

I used to think I NEEDED to spike insulin post workout. Lately I've been taking a scoop of PW,35g waxy,and 5g crea mono during my workout and then when I get home I'll have an Ezekiel bread chicken sandwhich,some carrots,almonds,and 4oz grape juice.

I'm not saying carbs are essential postworkout but I can't imagine not eating carbs after a workout.