Where Obama’s Scandals Go to Die

Of all the “phony scandals” that have plagued the Obama administration – (there’s not enough space on the worldwide web to list them all) – the worst, I think, is the one about the IRS targeting political opponents of the president. Why that one? How about … because it’s the IRS!

Every agency of the federal government has the ability to make our lives difficult. But the IRS, where American citizens are presumed guilty unless they can convince a G-8 level bureaucrat that they’re not, is especially scary.

Imagine if you were called in for an audit and you told the agent that you lost several years of records because your computer hard drive crashed and you then destroyed it. You think he’d buy that story?

But that’s what the IRS is telling us about Lois Lerner’s emails, two years worth that – poof! – just went bye-bye without a trace. No one with an IQ approaching room temperature could possibly believe that.

Richard Nixon, another president who knew something about scandals – (no one had the nerve to call his “phony”) – had his own version of the missing emails: an 18 ½ minute gap in the secret recordings he made in the Oval Office. No one believed the story about how Rose Mary Woods, his personal assistant, accidentally erased the tapes. Everyone knew there was something really, really, incriminating on those 18 ½ minutes, so the loyal Ms. Woods did what she felt she had to do.

Same with the disappearing emails, except for a few things. Nixon knew the noose was tightening because he lost the support of his own party. No less a figure than Barry Goldwater, Mr. Conservative, looked Nixon in the eye and told him it was time to go. Barack Obama has no Barry Goldwater. He has Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and a bunch of other acolytes who gulped down the Kool-Aid then said, may I have more, please.

And back in the day, there was something called a free press that understood its role in a free country like ours. It was to keep an eye on government; to make sure it didn’t use its substantial power recklessly; to expose our highest officials if they were corrupt.

Barack Obama need not worry. The toadies in his party echo the “phony scandal” strategy and tell anyone who will listen that Republicans are simply playing partisan politics. According to them, the IRS never went after conservatives. The emails blew up because, well, stuff happens. But at some point common sense matters. That’s why most Americans don’t buy the IRS story.

A long time ago, the great sports writer Red Smith said that Willie Mays’ glove is where triples go to die. Today, it’s the Oval Office where scandals go to die – not because President Obama personally wrote memos telling his IRS lackeys to go after his opponents. Rather, it’s because he picked an Attorney General to run the Justice Department who conjures up memories of Nixon’s pal John Mitchell, another political hack who ran that president’s Justice Department. Eric Holder simply will not take a hard look at what went on at the IRS, because he and his boss (who said there wasn’t a “smidgeon of corruption” at the IRS) don’t want to know.

Then there’s that other loyal ally of the president — a compliant mainstream media that have happily abdicated their role in a democracy. They have too much invested in this president, and his historical significance, to start behaving like real journalists now.

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Kinda sad that a someone would advocate the assassination of a President because he doesn’t like his policies or race. That being said, I call this scandal fatigue. There are too many phoney scandels, so when you cry wolf, then any legitimate scandel is not taken seriously.

mplo

It seems, however, that almost every (if not every) president that we’ve had, has been involved in some sort of phoney scandal of some sort or other, to distract people from the real issues, or from what’s really happening.

Lamont_Madison

We don’t need to IMPEACH the lying criminal in the White House,, All we need is another Oswald!

Lamont_Madison

Bernard, why do you defend Barack Obama. If GOP or so-called Conservatives like you and John Boehner had any balls, we would IMPEACH this SOB Muslim. His CRIMES are FAR WORSE than any committed by Nixon or Clinton.

Correction: Eric Holder will not take a close look at what went on at the IRS because he and his boss do not want the American people to know the truth.

Concernedmimi

You’re right, Bernie, the REAL Conspiracy is being perpetrated by this corrupt administration and these dead-beat journalist that won’t report the truth to the American people. In fact, they wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped them in the face!!!

Brian Stover

No matter who is in the White House, the IRS must be politically neutral.
Regardless of political preferences, it is a sad fact that this administration is simply incompetent… top to bottom.

Tim Ned

Willie Mays Hayes in the movie Major league; “I hit like
Mays, and run like Hayes”. The main
stream media will continue to paint this president as a major leaguer, no
matter the reality.

Ed I

What I find amazing is that the Democrats defend and apologize for everyone of the travesties. Their argument, thousands of documents and emails have been handed over and we have heard lots of testimony and there has been no connection to the White House. Of course the Administration held back, redacted and now “lost” tens of thousands of the most pertinent documents and most of the agency so called leaders have obfuscated and lied when in front of the committees. An important analogy to the Nixon debacle is, which just now been repeated, the fact that Nixon’s AG refused to take any action just like Holder is refusing to even investigate much less prosecute. And when DOJ does investigate that is the other really stupid defense, “oh, there is an investigation going on so we can’t discuss the matter any further.” One thing that is needed is for someone to publish time lines of each scandal including the deliberate delays and excuses for the administration not handing over documents and witnesses. Let’s us not forget Fast and Furious which was the beginning of the border fiasco. Or the thuggery that took place with companies like Gibson Guitars.

http://hemingwayreport.blogspot.com/ MerchantofVenom

The last paragraph hit the nail on the head.

Latest NYT’s Headline:

CHRIS CHRISTIE DRAGGED INTO INVESTIGATION OVER A SECOND BRIDGE SCANDAL

How much investigating went into this?

The NYT’s concerns itself with this crap… meanwhile the IRS scandal, 3 times worse than anything Nixon ever perpetrated, goes unreported. How can anyone take the NYT’s and the rest of the MSM as a serious source for news?

Brian Fr Langley

While I don’t disagree that the IRS scandal rises to the top of egregious Governmental behavior, the porous border comes awfully close. The Democrats are hoping for millions and millions of solid Democratic party votes. There is not a scintilla of empathy here for illegals, there is only rapacious greed for political power. Remember when you were a kid, and the very worst villains in a western movie were the traitors who sold guns and whiskey to the Indians? This is exactly what the democrats have become, the very worst of villains who exploit, then profit from treason.

gold7406

Just the shear number of youthful illegals storming the border demonstrates a huge, well executed, logistically complex plan. It had to taken months to devise the plan. It is very reminiscent of the Muriel Boat Lift. Kids are being used to tear at the heartstrings.
Many agencies in the administration were fully aware of this plan, well before the kid’s arrival.

Phillip MacHarg

Although I was skeptical of the “Hope and Change” presidency from the start, who knew it would mean dealing with skulduggery and dishonesty in almost every White House endeavor. After ObamaCare, Benghazi, Syria, the IRS targeting, can anyone in their right mind trust this president? Actually believe a word he says? Obama seems so detached from reality as to defy description, the latest example being Iraq, wherein typical Obama fashion he issues empty demands and seems completely out of his element. It’s a wonder he hasn’t summoned up the ghost of George Bush to lay blame, but all in due course…

Bob Olden

When do the rank and file democrats start to break ranks with Obama? When does the press get disgusted enough to look at all the facts and realize that there is real wrongdoing and they have stuck their heads in the sand for years? That’s what I don’t get. Everybody that sticks up for Obama and tries to minimize or dismiss all of the crap he has done is deliberately getting in the stupid boat.

FloridaJim

Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandals only became a story because they involved Republican Presidents. The media will never turn on its own, like Muslims, because they agree with their ideology and that drives them.

I now you’ve been around, Bernie, but I’m a little older than you. I don’t remember John Mitchell being anything like Eric Holder. He was a player, but a reluctant politician. Maybe you’ve read The Strong Man, maybe you haven’t. Maybe you don’t buy James Rosen’s depiction of Mitchell as a basically decent man who was virtually coerced into public service and made enough mistakes along the way to ruin his life, to be the only significant Watergate figure to go to prison. Maybe I don’t buy it either,, but before I’d throw him into the same pot as Eric Holder, I’d make very sure of my facts because, from where I sit, it was a cheap shot, pandering to the independents who read your stuff. I am a huge fan, Bernie, and I appreciate your desire to be fair in what you write but, in retrospect, don’t you think it was a little bit (can’t believe I’m going to say this) phony to throw John Mitchell into the same pot as a guy who is, in terms of the justice he is supposed to seek, a true criminal? Just my opinion, Bernie.

You are a tremendous writer and a credit to journalism who gives those of us who sincerely seek to separate truth from fiction a place where we can go to laugh, to be challenged, to agree or disagree, and to think beyond our own paradigms. Please keep up the great work.

David Gorton

Mr. Carter, most media outlets prostrate themselves before Obama. Nixon was dogged 24/7 by the press until he was finally brought down.
It will be many years before we know the extent, if any, to which
Obama & Holder engaged in “high crimes and misdemeanors”!!

Bob Olden

Mr. Carter, I congratulate you on your well expressed assessment of Mitchell vs. Holder, and I agree with you. I also agree with your assessment of Bernie Goldberg, the rare journalist who is willing to speak the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

wally12

Great article Bernie. I agree that the IRS scandal is one of the top ones. I also believe there is some emails out there that some of the congressmen who originally sent and received emails from Lerner in regard to this scandal. There should be an examination of these congressmen’s computers by the FBI via a court order/warrant too discover if any of he emails shed light on the investigation.
The IRS scandal may be the biggest scandal but I think that Benghazi and Fast and Furious are up in the standings since in both of these cases people died without a proper investigation of the details since the administration has blocked the efforts similar to the IRS.

El_Tigre

It should be easy to retrieve the emails, just ask the NSA.

Will Swoboda

I think the difference with Nixon was, he just threatened to use the IRS.

Chuck

Excellent article, except for one minor fact error: It leaves the distinct impression that Nixon’s secretary erased all 18 1/2 minutes of the incriminating tape. Instead, she erased just an estimated four to five minutes. Incidentally, Nixon didn’t claim to lose all the White House transcripts like Obama would do. He wasn’t that low. Instead, he heavily redacted them.

George Williams

It says a lot about the subversive nature of buying votes via the beneficence of government when over 40 percent of citizens still support BO despite his crimes against them by way of his contempt for the COTUS.

ScranunSlim

President Obama could firebomb an orphanage on Christmas Eve, and the MSM would say the lil beggars had it comin’

D Parri

Kinda’ sick, but that is the impression that the MSM has been giving.

They are responsible for their own reputation, be it good or bad.

semmy

Actually, I think he could firebomb the orphanage and the MSM would praise his bomb making skills.

D Parri

Bernie, I know that this may sound a little odd, but as long as the lame stream media continues in their “news by the sketch” approach and FOX continues to be the best and most reliable source going, I can be assured of what I get–and from whom.

So, let the others continue to act as Obama’s proxy PR agent, at least we know where to go to actually get the news, honestly.

joepotato

Rupert Murdoch had meal/ meeting with Valerie “Boss Lady” Jarrett … I wonder if they discussed the conspiracy to keep Diablobama’s ID and felony fraud etc. on the quiet side… More people are awakening to the charade… Of course it’s easier to fool some people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled… Go figure…

D Parri

To fool them is easy, tell them something that pleases them.

To convince them that they’ve been fooled is difficult because it requires them to admit to a shortcoming of their own accountability.

joepotato

Obot Troll Alert… Spot the troll and… there are no prizes… {:-(>

Roy L Pain

He’s the one with his fist upyourass

SkyCitizen

Bernie, to coin a phrase from a famous politician “I feel your pain”. The difference being, I’m sincere.

We would love to see the press step into the light, and admit to it errors and recommit to the reporting of the truth. The first amendment may guarantee press freedom but not much else. It doesn’t guarantee truth, accuracy, timeliness, grammar and spelling. All that is the consumer’s responsibility and as we all know in these times, responsibility rolls off people like water off a duck’s back.

Of all the scandal’s one could be magnanimous and say they were at inception rooted in stupidity, incompetence and greed; all except one, the IRS scandal. This scandal is about the abuse of power. The Administration has gone to great effort to bury it but, like the undead it will rise again.

Politicians are for the most part technically ignorant, they leave the deeper understanding to others. in short, they just want to know what it will do, not how it does it. The emails or a least the bulk of them can and may very well be recovered. The initial test is to search the emails of those folks within the universe of those in question who are not in question. This will establish intent as a starting point.

Still, showing the smoke will not convince liberals who will say “Where’s the fire”. Fortunately, backup systems have come a long way and much has been done to make the preservation of data as permanent as possible. Even those who would destroy data become part of it. Therein lies the fire.

D Parri

Federal law establishes the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) as the authority for setting rules for the archival and retention of records for all federal agencies. Period.

It is beyond absurdity to believe that the IRS determines its own schedules for the destruction or permanent archival of government records–including emails. NARA does this via a General Retention Schedule, or GRS. All federal agencies are required by federal law (remember, the “law of the land”?) to comply with NARA’s rules. This has been the “law of the land” for a very long time.

So, has the IRS been non-compliant with federal laws this whole time? Or perhaps the emails are stored as the law requires, but just conveniently ‘missing in action’.

Chris Matthewson

This could potentially be a very serious scandal, especially with the highly suspicious missing or lost emails. Where are the Woodwards & Bernsteins of today to ferret out the truth? And remember, I said “could be,” “potentially” and “suspicious.” This so-called scandal may just be bad judgment employed by some low-level bureaucrats. But, when it comes to the IRS and the awesome power they have at their command to literally ruin the lives of American families, no stone should be left uncovered in the search for truth.

D Parri

I recently dealt with some jerks on another thread who are trying to employ their “fog, confuse, and divert” tactic to try and convince as many people as possible that Lois Lerner had the only copy of records that are mandated by law to be preserved, and only deleted according to authorized schedules established in the GRS, explained below.

Just for some fun reading, I included one of my comments that pretty much makes the point that those emails are not gone–unless the NSA had a hand at tracking the messages and scrubbing the mailservers, which would still be left incomplete.

So, here is my comment.

It appears that this person, blsdaniel, is either a troll or a very ignorant government employee. No wonder our government is in such bad shape.

There are requirements by federal law to maintain records, including the archival of such records.

2. What is e-mail archiving?
E-mail archiving generally refers to applications that remove e-mail from the mail server and manage it in a central location also known as an archive. Information technology professionals use the term “archiving” to mean the copying or transfer of files for storage. In general, these applications collect in a central repository the e-mail (which may include attachments, calendars, task lists, etc.) of some or all agency users. E-mail archiving applications typically require little to no action on the part of the user to store or manage the e-mail records. Once messages are stored, authorized users are able to search the repository. http://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/bulletins/2011/2011-03.html

All federal agencies are required to manage their records according to federal law.

The National Archives and Records Administration is the agency responsible for setting policy for all agencies and providing repository for all permanent records.

§1220.12 What are NARA’s records management responsibilities?

(a) The Archivist of the United States issues regulations and provides guidance and assistance to Federal agencies on ensuring adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the Federal Government and ensuring proper records disposition, including standards for improving the management of records.

(b) NARA establishes standards for the retention of records having continuing value (permanent records), and assists Federal agencies in applying the standards to records in their custody.

(c) Through a records scheduling and appraisal process, the Archivist of the United States determines which Federal records have temporary value and may be destroyed and which Federal records have permanent value and must be preserved and transferred to the National Archives of the United States. The Archivist’s determination constitutes mandatory authority for the final disposition of all Federal records.

So, when blsdaniel makes the claim that records are not required to be maintained and archived just realize that he is full of horse $hit.

Daniel

As I see it Bernie, the real problem is this. In spite of the trail of startlingly stupid things that this administration has done, if Obama could run again in 2016, he would probably get re-elected. Until we can fix that situation, we cannot fix our country. When the Taliban Joint Chiefs of Staff that he just traded for that deserter execute the plans they have dreamed up during their last 10 plus years in GITMO, maybe the dung headed liberals will start to get a clue. I don’t have much hope for a country that cannot even protect it’s border and enforce it’s immigration laws.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

You are discounting the fact that there are times that hard-drives and back-ups do fail. And you are doing so without any verifiable facts to back you up.

suki33

I don’t discount that physical devices, such as hard-drives, can and do fail. But, the reason you have adequate backups is in case that phsical device fails, the data is protected and can be retrieved.

Some of the things that strain my beliefs include the following:
1) There was no backup for data in an agency so dependent on communication.
2) Six or seven hard drives in one work group failed in the same time period, no data is retrievable and all physical devices were destroyed.
3) Apparently the receivers of those emails also can’t find their copies to share with the committees.
4) The IRS knew this data was gone by February of this year, but didn’t share that information with Congress until last week, even though they continued to make assurances that the emails would be shared.
5) IRS Commissioner Koskinen came to a committee meeting with a demeanor that seemed to say, “You should be thankful I graced you with my presence and don’t expect any information.” One would have thought that one thing he would have learned in Washington is that you at least need to look like you care, even if you don’t.

D Parri

I don’t know if I have seen greater faces of disdain than those of Lerner and Koskinen.

And these are considered public servants?

ScranunSlim

Sure, SEVEN hard drives fail all coincidentally belonging to Lois Lerner & 6 other “suspects.” As George Will said, “RELIGIONS have been founded on less.”

Integrity

You are discounting the fact that sometimes people are dishonest and intentionally obstruct justice. Guess which scenario is more plausible in this instance? The most transparent administration in history does not appear to be interested in providing us with any facts regarding this issue. QED

Ryan Nichols

10 days after they were informed about a inquiry about the targeting. All the emails are lost in a crash. And the company who’s job it was to archive the emails is terminated soon after. So does that company have the emails? Or were they also destroyed? Why is Lerner choosing to not incriminate herself? And why did Obama say there was not a smidgen of corruption before the investigation?

Homer

Why not look at servers, and backups?

Bob Olden

Can somebody explain why, when they realized the hard drives crashed, they still erased the backups? Or am I not understanding what happened?

Stimpy

How about the chutzpah of that smirking IRS leader at that hearing? Amazing to see the rejoinders from the democrat congressmen, especially the idiot talking about alien spaceships. All with straight faces. Yeah, no conspiracy here, you don’t have to see her papers (emails) — they can go about their business. The democrat party has resorted to Jedi mind tricks to try and bury just one more scandal.

suki33

I wondered how many constituents of those Democrat Congressmen have been hounded and harassed by the IRS? Maybe some of them would have liked answers and not more “hail fellow, old friend, let me help you out…” line that has probably been all he has heard in his long and distinguished career.

No wonder he smirked through the whole hearing, he has probably never been held accountable before.

PAPUSA

Bernie, I’m with you, but please, you know that words matter and that many Americans are political illiterates. We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. If we keep saying it wrong how can we hope that the knowledge might seep into the consciousness of the general public?

What we say and write gets repeated. The Founders wrote emphatically that we are not a democracy. Democracies always self destruct.

Hottest defense on the market? “Oh darn, my hard drive crashed and all of my support documents for the period you are auditing are gone. Gosh!”

Simon Noel

Maybe old Lois should be audited for the period of years that she says emails were lost. If she was paid off for her stealth, she should have reported it as income. If she didn’t, that would be a convenient way to bust Miss Fifth Amendment!!

equinox

This is what happens when the educational establishment, beginning in the 1960s, got caught up in an emotional/political frenzy akin the Tulip Madness of the 18th century, and allowed “Progressive” professors and educators with a political agenda to team with teenagers and young adults who had no life experience and whose brains were not yet fully developed, to revamp our educational system based upon political values and unexamined slogans like “relevance”. So now we have a couple of generations that never studied US History or Civics and have no idea how special our republic is and how much at risk it is based upon the misedcuation of 2 generations of students. Many do know a lot about things like “Gender Studies”, “Black Studies, etc., which were presented more as indoctrinations, than education. It is not so much that most Americans are mostly disinterested in politics, it is the fact that they do not have the ability to make reasoned judgments because our high schools and colleges stopped teaching people how to reason and make rational judgments based upon the objective assessment of the evidence. Very sad.

AnMar22

Very well said. How do we bring back our old educational system?

Seattle Sam

The way you make any industry better — competition. I think you’d be amazed at how quickly schools would improve if they had to convince students to spend their own money (or voucher if you prefer) at their school rather than some other one.

You got it right equinox. wrote this in another commentary about a month ago:

Ivals-Totally agree. Especially #1. It used to
be our public high schools provided a general education, with an intention of
graduating young adults ready to shoulder the mantle of “Citizen”.
Today, leftists monopolize academia, and want to prepare students for prolonged
stints in their system (Obamacare will cover students until 26 yrs. old). And,
under the pretext of preparing students for a College education; civics and U.S. History, in some places
in America, have been entirely excluded from public school curriculum in an
effort to eradicate American nationalism/Americanism. Making many generations
devoid of any sense of national pride or sense of civic duty. Leaving our
nation to be lead by self-serving career politicians, elected and re-elected by
self absorbed constituencies of ignoramuses. Readers of this commentary, please
write, and attend school board meetings and DEMAND that ALL students must have
an understanding of our form of government and our history in a great enough
capacity to pass the same test that new immigrants must pass to attain American
citizenship.

loupgarous

Thanks for stating what ought to be obvious, that Eric Holder is to Obama as John Mitchell was to Richard Nixon – a lawless Attorney General who once again has made the term “US Department of Justice” an oxymoron.

lark2

Bernie, I agree with 90% of your thesis … AlI except the general thrust of your Nixon comments. You were a full on Liberal then, so your 2014 “take” upon the facts, is understandable. There is NO equivalency between Nixon and Obama. Nixon was a Patriot … Obama, not so much. Nixon had no role in the break in at the Democrat headquarters at the Watergate complex…. only in the “cover-up”. The media and the Democrats hated him and they were determined to get him – no matter what. His attempt at covering up was fully understandable. The Nixon administration was a successful one. He promised to end the Democrats war – with honor… he did. He achieved a mountain of foreign policy successes. He managed the economy and taxes very well. A landslide re-election against McGovern was ASSURED. Nixon and everyone else knew there was no need to find out what the Democrats were up to. Nixon was NOT impeached. The REPUBLICANS brought him down. As usual, even back then, the Republicans enjoyed eating their own. They got NOTHING in return for their taking the “high road”. Imagine if Nixon had been a Democrat media darling. OBAMA … now there is a story worthy of Woodward and Bernstein. “Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? The nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you”. Remember that little ditty?

John Phillips

Excellent post lark. Watergate was so immaterial compared to what the IRS has done. Chicago-style politics runs our country and the adoring media won’t tell the public. The icing on the cake is hearing Bob Woodward serve as an Obama apologist on news programs. That should pretty much state the relationship between the media and the far left. They’ve been in bed with each other for as long as I remember……..I’m 50.

Curt Parker

If Barry lined up the House Republicans and executed them (probably with a drone), no one in his party or the MSM would utter a negative word. He’s historic, after all. So just move on. There’s nothing to see here with the IRS. BUT you better damn well pay your taxes, especially conservatives.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

I’m sorry that you feel this way, but you have no facts to back you up. None at all. Only your dislike of our elected President, and your personal opinion.

Curt Parker

You apparently don’t recognize bombast to prove a point.

KAG505

If during the Watergate case, the media acted then like they do today, Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew would never have had to resign.

John Phillips

With Benghazi four Americans were killed and Obama and team blamed a video off youtube, NSA spying on Americans Obama said he get to the bottom of this, Fast and Furious Holder refused to do his job, and now the IRS targeting political opponents ends up smelling the worst of them all. It smells the worst because it makes a statement from Obama and the media that the admin can make policy that the media won’t cover and the public has to lay down and take it. Nevermind that its an insult to our intelligence.

Art Faucett

The press doesn’t want to ruin Obama’s Black panther party

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

What Black Panther party? Are you talking about the two black panthers that were at one polling site in 2008? The ones who were prosecuted by the Obama administration after the Bush Administration decided that the two black panthers were not prosecutable for voter intimidation because there was not enough evidence that they had intimidated anyone, or that they meant to?

Are those the black panthers that you are referring to?

RMN

What are you talking about??? The complaint was filed against three members of the New Black Panther Party two weeks before Obama was inaugurated.

The three defendants didn’t contest the charge of voter intimidation. Prosecution had a conviction in hand until Eric Holder had the charges dismissed.

4deuce

You are mind-numbed and brain dead Terri. The levels you stoop to to serve Obama are tragic. I will not bother to read even one more of your silly screeds.

4deuce

Hillary has admitted to being directed to issue a memo from HER office stating the murders in Benghazi were caused by a video. She told Obama that such a claim was untrue and that such a lie would be seen thru within weeks. Then, after consulting with her husband Bill, she reluctantly agreed to issue such a memo to serve Obama reelection needs and be true to the Dem Party. This is the woman selling a book comically named “Hard Choices.” This is also the woman who the MSM will endorse to serve as our next POTUS – a reluctant but willing participant in a lie told to America and perpetuated to this very day by that same soon-to-endorse-Hillary MSM.

joepotato

Between Holdup obstructing justice on an official level and the BSM presstitutes being complicit through propaganda the Teflon shield of El Residente Diablobama seems to be holding up… to say nothing of the protection afforded by congress and the courts to ignore Diablobama’s phony ID and felony fraud… The Indonesian candidate has been given a pass to oversee the downfall of the USA while congress fiddles away…

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

The problem with your contentions is that none of them are true. In fact, they have been proven to be lies repeatedly.

joepotato

Oh Pahleeze… Anyone that’s been paying attention knows Diablobamasama is a fraud… How much do you get paid by OFA…?

D Parri

@troll,

or should I address you as ‘Alinsky neophyte’ ?

amhispanic

What we need is someone to run for President like Trey Gowdy, who has the statue, intelligence and cojones to stand up for the truth and the country. I am amazed that in the US, not one military general or high ranking officer calls the obama presidency a threath to the country. These are the people who are the closest to power and love of country. There a few voices outside the Senate and Congress such a Dr. Carson, Sarah Palin who are not afraid to tell the truth and Judge Jeanine Pirro who has call for Obama’s impeachment. It is also amazing, that NOT ONE democrat journalist, politician or reporter is calling obama’s scandals what they are. It reminds me of Nazi Germany.
I believe all the scandals are part of the plan, the country is so overwhelmed with scandals that the country finally falls apart.

AnMar22

I have confidence in Trey Gowdy, too.

Stimpy

Any general who doesn’t smile when he thinks of the one true leader has already been purged. Another subject conveniently ignored by the media.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

” I am amazed that in the US, not one military general or high ranking
officer calls the obama presidency a threath to the country.”

That’s because it isn’t.

Unless you are old enough to have been in Nazi Germany, you don’t know what you are talking about. And you are ignoring actual historical facts.

“I believe all the scandals are part of the plan, the country is so
overwhelmed with scandals that the country finally falls apart.”

This is the problem. You believe nonsense, without verifying facts. That you don’t like this President does not mean, in any way, that what you have chosen to believe is accurate.

pasquale7

Yes Terri, the ones standing in front of the polling place with clubs or baseball bats, whatever they were. “amhispanic” Wouldn’t you like to be able to refer to your true heritage, e.g., Cuban, Brazilian, Colombian, instead of being branded as part of a herd? I am Italian and proud of it and would not like being told I am European in the future. Keep drinking the Kool Aid, Terry.

Ted Crawford

“Logical consequences are the Scarecrows of Fools and the Beacons of Wise Men!” Thomas Huxley
Some things are indeed difficult to ascertain, others are obvious! This administration truly is “transparent” just not in the manner Obama intended!
Sorry Comrade, Obama is nearly perfectly predictable!

D Parri

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)Saul Alinsky

Nice job, Terri, Saul would be proud of you.

Jarob54

The great Etta James belted out the song “My man is a watchdog” Well today we don’t have any watchdogs to speak of in the main stream media. Back in the day they were all over Richard Nixon and today the press has become PR firm for this administration.
When any administration abuses power the public should have protection from government, and answers from government. We need a watchdog, we need the truth and we need responsible government.
And by the way. We could use singers and music like the great Etta James and the fabulous Muscle Shoals sound.

Stimpy

Dirty, filthy beltway. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Jarob54

Funky Broadway by a most dangerous man- He was know as “Wicked” and that music was gold and remains solid cold.

Cynic

If the GOP could convince a Kardashian to run… maybe… just maybe the media would pay attention and the “folks” would vote for it.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

If the media wasn’t paying attention, then none of you would know about these so-called scandals at all. The fact that they do not hate our President does not mean that they are not reporting the allegations.

Cynic

Pretty thin… your argument and the coverage out of most of the media.

Stimpy

The mainstream media might cover a scandal after Fox News first breaks it. Why does this president hate Fox News? Because it is unfair? No because it doesn’t kow tow to the administration like all the others do. BTW, do you think that 65,000 illegal juveniles made the 1800 mile journey without the explicit help and cooperation of this shameful administration? Do you think this might be a scandal?

kayakbob

All administrations have scandals, and an 8 year Presidency presumably doubles the possibility of scandals. But this is where the true power of the media shows up. If they ignore or otherwise downplay such things, the administration in power still has a good chance to overcome it.

IRS targeting private citizens for their political views. Yawn. But, oh my God, Scooter Libby? Now that is a scandal worthy of a year of front page news!

nickshaw

You notice how quickly the outing of the Chief of Station in Kabul simply disappeared?
Yet, Plame was front page news for months.
Weird, eh?

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

What private citizens, exactly, have been targeted by the IRS? There have been groups who applied for tax exempt status. And there were so many of them that the IRS workers felt that it would be easier to process the applications by sorting them. NONE of those applications were turned down. So, how can it be targeting?

kayakbob

Catherine Albrecht, for one. After forming the group in 2010 and applying for tax exempt status she got 15 visits from 4 different agencies of the Federal Government. The IRS performed an individual; then her business was audited; then the ATF got involved; then OSHA.

By her account, the IRS asked for every tweet, every Facebook post; and every place she had ever spoken or planned to speak. Her friends were “interviewed”; neighbors were “interviewed”.

That sounds like targeting to most people.

D Parri

A conversation with this person is fruitless. However, it could be fun.

kayakbob

D Parri

Gotcha!

Hope all is well with you.

kayakbob

forgot to ask – are you speaking from experience?

I am fine. Thanks for asking. Just finished remodeling the kitchen…in anticipation of selling it.

D Parri

(4). There can be no conversation between the organizer and his opponents. The latter must be depicted as being evil.Rules for Radicals, The Alinsky Model
Barak Obama

D Parri

Ok, how about…

“IRS refusing to turn over records related to a criminal investigation–attempts to defy Congress”, or

“Investigation reveals IRS recordkeeping practices have been non-compliant with federal laws for over twenty years”, or

“Reporter discovers old Lois Lerner emails among archived records”, or

“Lerner criminal charges avoided by statute of limitations”.

“Oh, what a tangled web we weave….”

govsurveillance

obutthead and those around him are the symptom . . . the problem is the voters who don’t seem to care where this country is headed . . . there are way too many reasons why we have gotten to where we are . . . the republic is doomed.

Joh

Obama has Pelosi and Reid, but more than that he has the media. Nobody but Fox is even reporting the IRS scandal. Not even the blow-up between Congressman Ryan and John Koskinen. ANY American, liberal or conservative, can sit and watch the arrogance of that little dweeb Koskinen and not be outraged deserves to have an IRS audit

paperpushermj

True

paperpushermj

Politics has Evolved to a point where it’s all about Messaging. Getting your message out to your supporters who then Parrot the content. Truth is an Old and outdated concept these Hipsters don’t find helpful.

nickshaw

And they do it in 140 characters or less.
That’s the problem. A lie doesn’t take too many characters to deliver whereas the truth behind the lie takes much more.

Joh

You are absolutely right. It’s like everyone is reading from the same script. Call them “talking points”, I call them marching orders from their feurer

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

This has been true for thousands of years, it’s not new. And newspapers have also been political and use spin to get their ideas out. That, too, is nothing new.

Bob Olden

There is nothing new about lying. The press used to have a nose for when something didn’t smell right. Then cub reporters made a name for themselves by sniffing out the truth, and writing an expose. And the editors, who have always had the final say on what goes to print, would sometimes grudgingly admit that the reporter was “onto something”.

I wonder what goes on these days in newsrooms where editors only care about cranking out “talking points” and “getting the narrative right”. How many truthful articles or scripts are snuffed out by the political correctness goons? We will never know.

paperpushermj

” There is nothing new about lying.”
_________________________________________________.
You’re right Lying has been around from the very beginning. What IMO has changed is the Public Apathy, the Shrugging of Shoulders and saying they all do it. If we don’t hold our elected officials to a Higher Standard, then we get the Government WE DESERVE

Wally C

You would think that most serving our country through elected office or hired would want their positions to be honored. A thorough investigation should be desired so you can say “everything is true and above-board”, not “it is a partisan witch-hunt”.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

What if the investigation shows that there was no one at fault and that nothing was done illegally? Do you think that there should be more investigations until the ones doing the investigations find proof of their beliefs?

For instance, Benghazi had been investigated 7 times already, and it was found that nobody in charge had done anything wrong. There were procedures that needed to be fixed and/or implemented, and they were done. So, why should there be more investigations?

The IRS, also, did nothing illegal. That was determined early on. While the sorting was not an optimal idea, that does not mean that it was illegal.

Do you have any idea what the rules and paperwork are required in order to submit an application for tax exempt status is? It is all spelled out in the Instructions for doing so on the IRS website, as well as in the instructions that can be mailed to you.

It is the job of the IRS workers that work with tax exempt applications to verify and process those applications. And those applications contain a LOT of paperwork.

Integrity

Are you the temporary staff while others are on vacation? QED

Jeff Webb

RE: Benghazi, if by “wrong” you mean illegal, that may well be. But if you think it’s okay to ignore an ambassador’s pleas for more security, fail to send any troops or air support over several hours of an ongoing attack, and repeatedly lie about the attack, including directly to the grieving relatives while the victims’ caskets sat nearby, then you’ve got defects.

RE: IRS, it is the job of the workers to treat every applicant equally, and they didn’t.
Which person (or people) with no conflict of interest determined nothing illegal happened?

http://batman-news.com 1940voter

Until Nov Obama will have his way ,after that the dems are toast and the msm better get onboard or else they will end up on the same dung heap as Obama and his minions

Skeptic

I hope you are right, except I worry that it won’t matter how people vote; it’s who counts the ballots (and how many ballots) that matters. I am losing faith in the integrity of our election system.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Because your candidates continue to lose? That’s part of living in this kind of country. As far as I can see, and I have looked, if there has been any voter fraud it has been so small that it doesn’t matter.

Integrity

Have you extensively investigated voter fraud? Do tell. QED

Stimpy

It sure doesn’t matter after a democrat has been elected.

AnMar22

obama and his cohorts must be thwarted now. We can’t wait until November; he may and will do more damage. He has taken the power!

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Don’t be so stupid! If Obama has “taken the power” (BTW, what exactly does that mean?) then Congress cannot investigate anything, and everything that Obama wants will be done. And that is just not happening.

AnMar22

Don’t call me stupid! If you don’t know what it means, too bad.

Stimpy

Not happening? Obama chooses not to enforce the protection of the border, one of his sworn constitutional duties. He sics the EPA on American industry in contravention of the law making authority of Congress. He has acted as a dictator in changing the rules and regulations of the Affordable Care Act — enacted into law by Congress, and not subject to his whims as the president. He has overstepped the constitutional bounds of the presidency more times than I can count. Shall I go on?

AnMar22

Don’t call me stupid! I don’t think you’re hip to all the damage he has done to this country. Read what Dr. Thomas Sowell writes about him.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Unless you are able to tell the future, all of what you posted is wishful thinking, not facts.

disqus_AV1LCnOJEL

Nicely written, Bernie.

fatmababy105

The IRS gave me HOLY HELL, concerning the death of my son. For TWO years. I finally threaten to sue them, with the aid of a former IRS Attorney. It closed the issue out.

FlaVet

My sympathies…but I have to ask….How, Why?

Cosette

Please accept my sympathy also. And I agree with FlaVet, please tell us your story. The Federal Government is out of control and every story is important. I hope you will share your experience with us.

fatmababy105

It is a long story and they would not accept the fact, that my son was dead. Even with a death certificate. I was told they did not give up, when some one owed them money. I told them, I would notify my Senators for their conduct, and I would file a law suit for harassment. I was able to close the issue out, after that. Two years of making my blood pressure go up. There is more to the story, but this is part of it.

AnMar22

Wow, what a terrible thing to do to a mother. You have my sympathy and my best wishes for your healing. God bless you.

Integrity

They were pretty nasty towards my wife when I first married her, all over $100 which she had proof that she paid to them. We still have copies of their threatening letters. QED

Cosette

Thank you for sharing your experience. Very sorry you had to endure the idiocy of the IRS bureaucrats. No one should have to experience that.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

What does this have to do with the issue?

JanelleHumbert

Terri, are you generally this talkative? And no, that has nothing to do with the column. It simply is unusual to see that many from one person.

Ksp48

Holder is just a bag man for the Dems but these “journalists” should be ashamed of themselves. If they wanted to all be in PR that’s what they should have done and left journalism to actual journalists. Fortunately, along with the internet, they are killing off the liberal press (NYT, TIME, Newsweek).

Mr. Common Sense

This country will implode by 2016 if this keeps up. Sooner if the Senate stays in the Democrat’s hands.

Jenn

the fuse has already been lit…

Ted Crawford

You are exactly correct. We have, MAYBE, untill November 4, 2014, to halt this rapid decline of America! IF, however, ANY Progressive controls the Gavel in EITHER House of Congress in January of 2015….”alas, poor America, I knew Her well!”

suki33

I have questions about the Republican Senate candidate from my state, but the thought of the Senate staying under Harry Reid may help me make up my mind on how to vote.

Mark W.

Same with me, in Oregon. Senator Merkley is an Obama rubber stamp, so I’ll vote for the Republican candidate. Sadly, to get the votes of metro Portland, we’re never going to get a true conservative. But at least we might not get a Progressive and maybe not a RINO.

Barancy Peloma

ok, i got a question for everyone:
does anyone know if congress or anyone else besides the president can order the nsa to produce the “lost”emails?
barry the blamer sure won’t do it and neither will eric holder because barry protected him from the fast and furious investigation.
these 2 are covering for each other.
so, just what can be done about this?

FlaVet

The Supremes most likely …once they get around to hearing it in about 5 years.

Ted Crawford

I believe it might also be done by a ‘Special Prosecutor’ or by a Senate Select Committee.

FlaVet

Neither will ever happen.

Stimpy

Maybe we can get these emails from the Chinese intelligence service or the KGB?

Barancy Peloma

not a bad idea.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

If they are available, sure they can. But just because they were there once doesn’t mean that they are still available. ?The fact is that crap happens – HD’s become unusable, back up’s get written over, etc. They are a fact of life, and anyone who is used to computers knows this very, very well.

Johnny Deadline

Could someone please remind the Repubs in the House that they control the government purse strings? The recent budget proposal to cut the IRS budget back to ’08 levels is a good start, but what about penalizing that agency millions per day that Lerner continues pleading the 5th and Koskinen and others continue their lies. Or even better, as cantonst wisely noted, Repubs could eliminate the whole stinking department by replacing the current mess of a tax code with a much simpler system. Based on the public’s current suspicion and distrust of the IRS, it’s hard to imagine that there wouldn’t be a groundswell of public support for such a move.

Preezie O’Drama may have his phone and pen, but the Repubs could certainly go a long way in protecting the country from further abuses by the IRS, EPA, VA, and Justice Dept by penalizing these rogue agencies in their pocketbooks.

Uncle Dave

Johnny, you’re on the right track. But first the Repubs need to grow a spine. I have been hanging up on their fund-raising phone calls after I tell them that I am sick and tired of watching this “President” and the Dummy-crat Party ride rough-shod over them at evey turn. The middle east is about to explode AGAIN, N Korea is laughing at us, the economy is still in the dirt, scandal after scandal rolls out of this government since the first day we went to the polls and the Blank Panthers provided security… I’m angry, fed-up and I truely don’t know what to (legally) do about it…

Johnny Deadline

Kind of my point, Uncle Dave. If the Repubs would use the power of the purse strings granted them by the Constitution, they would show voters that they’ve grown a spine and the progressives that they are unwilling to put up with the continued shenanigans of this prez and his cronies.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

“The middle east is about to explode AGAIN, N Korea is laughing at us,”

These are not our country’s and we are not responsible for them.

As for scandals, what I’ve seen are attempted scandals that have not gone anywhere because there have been no facts to back up the accusers.

“rolls out of this government since the first day we went to the polls and the Blank Panthers provided security”

They didn’t provide security, and pretending that they did is pretty lame. This happened when Bush was in office, by two (and only two) people. The Bush Administration looked into charging them for intimidation and decided that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge them with.

Uncle Dave

Gee Terri… did you have the cherry or the grape Kool-Aid?

No, the Black Panthers did not provide “security”, that was sarcasm. I was attempting to point to the episode where the militant gang was intimidating any “none Obama voter” from entering the polling place in Philadelphia during the election of 2008. G.W.’s administration did not investigate this as it was not brought to light right away. When it was FINALLY reported on by the (so-called) Main Stream Media, Obama was in office and Eric Holder refused to pursue it.

As for our fearless leader’s lack of foreign policy… well, I can’t say that. His “foreign policy” is; Get out of the Arab world at any cost; Leave the Muslims alone, whether they be moderate or radical; Leave a power and leadership vacuum to be filled by Radicals.

And forget how they treat women (beating, barred from schools and driving, always ware your Burka, stay several paces behind the men, arranged marriages as young as 12 or 14)… the real “war on women” is from the GOP. (sarcasm)

So after N. Korea and Iran get Nuclear Weapons and one of them fires one at the US or sneaks one in passed the UNSECURED boarder… Then maybe we will care about these other places in the world. In the mean time we can go back to the Laissez-faire attitude of pre-WW2… when Hitler was marching across Europe, except this time Hitler has Nuclear Weapons… because Obama let them have them by doing NOTHING for 6-years…
But I’m sure that somehow THAT will be Bush’s fault too…

sniper2535

Don’t bother Dave. Obama is her King.

Uncle Dave

I fear that you are correct, sir. So many of them cannot see past the “used car salesman smile”.

brent kaufman

I agree with such sanctions on the IRS but you cannot legally penalizing someone for doing what is a legal right – invoking the 5th Amendment. (That is what a “right” means.)

Johnny Deadline

That’s a fair point Brent, but since Ms. Lerner said under oath that she did nothing wrong before pleading the 5th, and she refuses to testify to Congress after discussing the requested details with the DOJ, I think one could argue that at the very least her pension should be temporarily withheld until Congress completes the investigation involving her and her activities.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

This is quite clearly an election year witch hunt. I wouldn’t cooperate with someone who said I should go to prison before even hearing testimony. At all.

Jeff Webb

>>This is quite clearly an election year witch hunt.<<

Just go ahead and keep on telling yourself that; it must be a lot more comfy than admitting someone on your own side has done anything remotely wrong or suspicious.

Johnny Deadline

Clearly. Funny the media didn’t feel that way when Nixon was “thinking” of using the IRS for political purposes.
And apparently you aren’t referring to Lois Lerner because she has twice refused to provide testimony.

Ted Crawford

Given the recent Supreme Court decision, with respect to the EPA,…perhaps NOT!

Johnny Deadline

Mark Levin came out with a good idea for the Supreme Court in his book, “Men in Black.” Give the justices 10-year-terms rather than lifetime appointments and let voters determine if they have earned renewed terms. This would seriously crimp legislating from the bench and acts of feckless judicial fiat.

Ted Crawford

Sadly that might be necessary! With a Justice like John Roberts, who seems to think he is the Chief Judicial Legislator, by re-writing Laws sent to him for the Courts consideration! Another, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who openly admitts to the Egyptian Government; “I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution!”! It seems we do need some form of change.

Johnny Deadline

Chief Justice Roberts’ illogical reasoning on the ACA’s individual mandate was the most torturous logic we’ve heard since Slick Willy’s “depends upon what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” As for Justice Ginsberg, her votes and written opinions make it obvious she rarely consults the U.S. Constitution when forming her decisions. I’m guessing she uses Tarot cards and maybe a Magic 8-Ball on the tough ones.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Or Scalia and Thomas who are openly biased.

Jeff Webb

>>Or Scalia and Thomas who are openly biased.<<

How are they biased? Have they failed to do their job properly?

Johnny Deadline

Probably why Obama called out the Supremes on their Citizens vs United decision. He knew they were biased so he had his posse work to negate the decision by using the IRS as attack dog. Look how well that is working for the most transparent administration in U.S. history.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Actually, they don’t control the purse strings. They write the funding bills, but if those bills don’t pass the Senate then they do not become legal.

Johnny Deadline

So if there are no funding bills written in the House for out-of-control rogue agencies like the IRS, DOJ, EPA and VA, the Senate has nothing to pass. That’s good, because Harry Reid excels in not passing budgets. He’s passed one in the past 5 years despite the legal requirement to do so.

The Old Grouch

Yesterday I was watching Chris Wallace’s show and the panel were discussing this scandal. A women “journalist” who apparently has the responsibility for the nightly news stated she hadn’t been covering IRS scandal and really wasn’t familiar with all the issues but she was certain the current IRS head was above reproach. Just going along with the Obama story, hear no evil, see no evil.

rs724503

Judy Woodruff of PBS. that was a remarkable admission.

wildjew

“Well, what I can say, Chris, is I haven’t reported this story. I haven’t — I don’t know what happened inside the IRS.”

B. Goldberg is right. Today’s media is a corrupt as Barack Obama who they support.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

The same can be said of the people who refuse to believe anything good about Obama.

Jeff Webb

>>The same can be said of the people who refuse to believe anything good about Obama.<<

He seems to genuinely adore his wife & kids, and he looks great in a suit & tie.

suki33

Apparently in Washington respect is given to your dinner partners regardless of whether they stonewall a Congressional hearing or help cover up abuses of power.

It amazed me that he sat there and defended himself by saying no one had ever doubted his word and then Woodruff verified that his word was good. Very odd set of events, but glad Woodruff was on the show to speak up for him, even though she said she doesn’t know much about the issue.

SkyCitizen

Yes, especially in light of her interest in a scandal 40 years ago.

Judy Woodruff recently interviewing Elizabeth Drew.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And for those younger generations and even older generations who really don’t remember or don’t know what Watergate was, what was it, finally?

ELIZABETH DREW: This was a constitutional crisis. Was the president accountable to the Congress, to the courts?

wildjew

I saw her. Amazing. rs724…. is right I think. Judy Woodruff. I just now Google IRS scandal. Up at the top is a story written by Michael Tomasky, The Daily Beast. He begins with: “Remember those two years of missing emails the Republicans were going on about? It turns out the former commissioner’s (Lerner’s) computer crashed 16 days before she learned of IRS targeting….”

How does Tomasky know learner only learned about IRS targeting conservative groups sixteen days after her computer crashed? Because this woman who took the Fifth said so.

Ksp48

Oh, she may well have had a computer crash. I do every once in a while. I sometimes lose a document I forgot to back up, then I curse and have to redo it. So, they latched on to that. Then they expanded it to six others. Then they said the backups were deleted. Then they said the hard drives were shredded. Ok so get them off of the recipients computers and servers. Oh, the White House says there are none. And on and on and on for anyone gullible enough to believe them. There must be some pretty incriminating stuff there. A whole lot more than a smidgeon.

wildjew

What exactly is a “computer crash?” I have had computers die. Often I forget to take the cover off and blow the components out with compressed canned air — “Ultra Duster.” The computer overheats because it accumulates dust. But when I go to Best Buy to purchase another computer they offer to move everything from my old computer to the new one for less than $100.

boats48

Watched that too! When a man’s defense on being called a liar is,” I have had a long career and no one has ever told me they do not believe me until now!” I think he drove the point home. He is a liar. Anyone that has ever punched a keyboard knows that “nothing ever vanishes on the internet.” Now it turns out that the IRS had a service to oversee its’ daily backups until the scandal broke. They dismissed them, how convenient!

wildjew

I find it implausible IRS Commissioner John Koskinen has never in his life been told “I don’t believe you,” or something to that effect.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

By someone in Congress, about doing his job. I believe him, and this grandstanding by the GOTP is getting very, very old.

wildjew

IRS conveniently lost two years worth of emails to and from Lois Lerner forever? You buy that?

Jeff Webb

>>I believe him<>this grandstanding by the GOTP is getting very, very old.<<

I agree. At this point we need less words, more actions.

Uncle Dave

It’s nice when people admit that they are not doing thier job and have no clue what is going on… a real boss would have fired her by the end of the day. But it seems everyone at PBS and other “news outlets” are blindly sailing the same boat.

Ted Crawford

“They” are protecting their creation,…OBAMA!

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

The problem is that, while the GOTP is foaming at the mouth, they have no verifiable facts that show that anything illegal was done.

Jeff Webb

As far as showing anything “illegal” was done, that’s what investigations are for. But it is an established fact that conservative groups were singled out, and that is a violation of their Constitutional rights.

Joe Castiglia

Might all of these scandals as well as the abuse of power add up to impeachment? At what point might the will of the people start to find this presidency out of bounds in too many places and too many instances?

FlaVet

Right after a 10 million rifle gathering and march on the WH?

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Not if those people have any brains.

Where did you get the idea that you have the right to displace a President that was clearly elected by the majority of voters? Do you really think that your opinions put you above the law and the Constitution?

Jeff Webb

>>Do you really think that your opinions put you above the law and the Constitution?<<

Sadly for the USA, that is apparently what Obama thinks.

Roy L Pain

You mean like Operation American Spring? That went over real big. Were you one of the 16 right wing jerkoffs who showed up?

Jenn

too many people fear the “RACE CARD” will be thrown at them if they dare utter a single word about impeachment…why else would this …………M O R O N be in the White House except for his colour???..he cares nothing about the American people…all he cares about is keeping Planned Parenthood alive and well in United States and all around the world…

wildjew

Too many people voted for Barack Obama twice (!) for my comfort level.

Ted Crawford

The old “Racist” rant is a given, however, what they might more be considering is the CERTAIN Race Riots that would quickly follow any such Impeachment attempt!

FlaVet

Race riots? You mean Urban renewal, right? What would be lost anyway? They always, always shoot themselves in the foot. Let them go and do it. Perhaps they’ll burn down Chiraq this time?

Ted Crawford

At this juncture, the price is too high! Large numbers of innocents, elderly, disabled, young, women would surly be injured and many killed.
Better, I believe to focus on November 4. If we are successful then, a much safer and infinately more sustainable result can be realized, simply with intelligent voting!

FlaVet

There is no more “intelligent” voting. That’s why we have this clown, remember? And that’s why we’ll have the hildebeast next.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

The only people that I’ve seen using the ‘racist’ card or rant are those on the right. And the far right at that. And it’s not based on facts.

What you are doing is nothing more than fear mongering.

Ted Crawford

SERIOUSLY?! REALLY?!
I just looked up the word ‘delusional’ and there was your picture Comrade. WOW that hair! You really need to do something about that!

Jeff Webb

>>The only people that I’ve seen using the ‘racist’ card or rant are those on the right.<<

T'would appear that people like Janeane Garofalo, Chris Matthews, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Maxine Waters, Bill Maher, and Contessa Brewer don't exist in your world, and what a great place to live it must be.

AnMar22

Jenn, you’re right, people are afraid to be called racists. But, please, don’t call obama (lower case deliberated) a moron. He’s bent on killing America, and he’s pretty successful at it. He will keep going and going, until America stops going and going. I fear for this country. And, yes, America is exceptional…ask all the legal immigrants, and their children, who have been coming here for the last century.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

“He’s bent on killing America, and he’s pretty successful at it. He will
keep going and going, until America stops going and going. I fear for
this country.”

THIS kind of belief, and statement, is why the majority of people in this country don’t believe you and refuse to take you seriously. You are not coming from a basis of facts, it is purely emotional with no sold ground on which to build it.

AnMar22

Terri, I didn’t know I the majority of the people this country don’t believe me. The facts are too numerous and if you really need help, google Dr. Thomas Sowell. Enough said.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

No, all there have been are allegations without verifiable facts to back them up. That is not enough to impeach anyone.

Seattle Sam

Democrats win the Rose Mary Woods gullibility award.

FlaVet

And the Jim Jones kool aide contest.

gold7406

Right again, Bernie. A primary reason Carney and the rest of the administration was so smug about a phony IRS scandal, the were fully aware Lois’s emails were gone and made into nano-pixy dust.
One more alarming item about Lois, she is the past president of the Council on Government Ethics Laws. [cogel]
The first indication of where this administration was going, was the selection of Van Jones. The MSM, covered for them, “he wasn’t vetted properly, no one knew him, someone will get fired.” How wrong. Van was hand picked and carefully selected.

Ted Crawford

As was Anita Dune, another Mao Cheerleader

gold7406

all these folks had seal, newton, cleaver and
davis as role models.
they finally realized how to game the system…law degrees.

AnMar22

well said.

justintime

As usual, Bernie is spot-on. It’s a sad, sad commentary on our society because I believe that the government is a direct reflection of the society at large. We are losing our country and a majority of the American people just do not care anymore.

Ted Crawford

“Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist untill the Voters discover they can vote themselves Largesse from the Public Treasury! From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the Candidates promising the most benifits from the Public Treasury, with the results that a Democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, and is always followed by a Dictatorship!” Alexander Fraser Tytler
The beginning was March 4, 1913, should we fail to regain common sense control on November 4, 2014,….Nostrum Fortuna Est Paro!

AnMar22

I think they just don’t know. Our schools have been taken over by the socialists, communists and others.

cantonst

Bernie, I have a different take on the priority of the scandals. Benghazi, Bergdahl, Fast and Furious, then IRS. The IRS scandal can be simply solved by eliminating the IRS and substituting a simple one page tax code that taxes ALL personal and corporate income above $25,000 at a 10% rate, no deductions, no exemptions (including churches and all other non-profits. Couple this with a balanced budget amendment including reduction of the federal debt by 1 trillion each year until eliminated and you’re off to a good start. National Defense should be priority one for the federal government. Everything else should be last.

mike cowan

Will “Blame it on Bush” ever end? High officials should be in prison. Yea, it’s that bad.

Ksp48

Will “Blame it on Bush” ever end?

No and if Hillary is elected it will be a solving 12 or 16 years of absolutely no responsibility from the sitting president.

mike cowan

This is clearly worse than Watergate. #rottenstate

Ksp48

The acts themselves are much much worse. The cover up is getting worse.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

You, quite clearly, don’t remember Watergate. I do, and this Administration has done nothing even close.

Jeff Webb

The family & friends of Chris Stevens, Tyrone Woods, Glen Doherty, and Sean Smith will see your Watergate and raise you four savage murders.

allen goldberg

The people associated with this are all guilt of criminal fraud and abuse. The Commissioner is lying scum and needs to spend prison time.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

In this country, the US, we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This has not happened, and from what I seen of the allegations and lack of facts to back them up, it will not happen.

Larry Venable

Spot on Bernie.

The Nixon impeachment article 2 was about his use of the IRS.

My fear as a conservative is that too many folks who are low information voters will become even more rabidly anti-GOP than they already are if Obama is impeached.

The sad fact is that the Senate, even after the Republicans re-take it will still require a quorum to impeach Obama And remove him …and as long as Reid and his Toadies are there with the support off a complacent MSM – they wont allow a conviction – the Senate Dems long ago abdicated their responsibilities and have been drinking the Obama-Reid Kool-Aide.

Personally I think the reason Obama has been “f-ing up” so much recently might be to try and position him as a martyr to the progressive cause….how better to do than than force the conservatives into a position where they feel he has to be impeached. The Dems and MSM have set dangerous precedents— and these will come back on them if the right takes the Senate, House and WH.

rs724503

Bernie, interesting story though you should know that as Woodward/Bernstein were developing their story Hugh Scott the Republican leader of the Senate at the time told a press conference of Watergate, “just Senator McGovern and the media” care about that scandal. So, in fact, that scandal too was called phony.

allen goldberg

So quoting something from 40 years AGO makes this story not worth pursuing? Typical liberal idiocy.

rs724503

No, just pointing out that Watergate was called phony by Republicans even though Bernie said otherwise. What makes you think I’m a liberal. I just happened to read All the President’s Men, where this passage is relayed. I suspect that you are a typical partisan. Anything anyone says that doesn’t fit into your narrow world view makes them the enemy. Is that it? In fact, everyone should quote Mr. Scott any time anyone ever claims any scandal is phony as that’s exactly what the Republicans claimed at the time of Watergate. It’s what every party does during every scandal and that’s why the “phony scandal” meme is itself phony. Once it’s used in the greatest scandal of all it becomes meaningless.

newsjoc2004

The big difference between now and then is that the national press corps relished the thought of reporting on a scandal that could bring a president down. This group of so-called reporters only cares about protecting this president from his enemies.

rs724503

Also, not necessarily true. Woodward/Bernstein certainly, but the rest of the media sat it out until the scandal was broken wide open. I suggest you read All the President’s Men before making that statement.

Most of the media stopped covering Watergate days after the break in. It was carried nearly exclusively for more than a year by the Washington Post. At some point, Seymour Hersh, then of the New York Times, did some excellent reporting saving Woodward/Bernstein on a couple occasions, but to say that the media in general cared about that scandal is gross spin.

Since there is a first hand account of this story, All the President’s Men, I suggest that anyone who wants to comment on that story ought to read the book first.

Ted Crawford

Although much of what you say is true, in the current context, it comes across largely as obfuscation! It detracts from the discussion rather than contributes!

Probus

Where is the Woodward/Bernstein of today? In Nixon’s tenure TV was only liberal ABC, NBC & CBS, and they were gleefully choking his throat day and night. Today those same networks are almost silent on all Obama scandals. Would the word “corrupt” define ABC, NBC, CBS & PBS accurately?

rs724503

Not true. They weren’t. I suggest you also read All the President’s Men before making that statement. The Washington Post largely did this on their own. To claim that the rest of the media gleefully helped them is to spin. I suggest you read their account, All the President’s Men, before making any more statements on Watergate.

Probus

I lived through Watergate and continually watched it on TV. Did you? Did you watch Nixon’s press conferences? The reporters showed absolutely no respect for Nixon or the office. If you did not live through that period and only rely on the book written by two liberals I would suggest you not be so sure of yourself.

rs724503

Like I said, after the scandal was broken wide open, yes, but for the first year, the Washington Post was breaking news largely on its own. You can call them liberals but in this case they were investigative reporters first, and that’s a huge difference. That book is by far the most authoritative account of the matter. It was written by the two people responsible for bringing down the president. To say that Watergate was broken by the media is a gross exaggeration as most of it was broken by them.

Probus

The media was on the Watergate break-in day one, not only after the scandal was broken wide open. Woodward & Bernstein did the thorough job of investigating, however there was no media black out as today. ABC, NBC & CBS were gleefully at Nixon’s throat day and night and that was my point of my first post to you. Are you only relying on the book “All the Presidents Men”? I read that book along with many others covering Nixon and Watergate plus I lived through it – did you?

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

There is no media black-out today, either. You just don’t like or agree with what is being reported.

Probus

Maybe “black out” is too strong a term. You must admit ABC, NBC, CBS & PBS are not providing the coverage it deserves.

Jeff Webb

>>There is no media black-out today, either.<>You just don’t like or agree with what is being reported.<<

BUSH WAS NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE LAWLESS CRIMINAL OBAMA IS. IT IS A REAL THREAT. WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT THIS MUSLIM SOB HAS ALREADY DONE AND HOW HE ARROGANTLY THUMBS HIS NOSE AT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW. AS FOR MY EARLIER COMMENT, YOU CAN’T PREVENT WISHFUL THINKING. AFTER ALL, IN OUR HISTORY, WE HAVE LOST MUCH BETTER MEN TO ASSASINS. WOULD SERVE THIS KENYAN FRAUD RIGHT IF ONE OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS HE FREED CAME BACK AND TOOK CARE OF THIS LYING TYRANT. MOST TYRANNICAL LEADERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD ALSO SOONER OR LATER DIE BY THE SWORD.

Ted Crawford

As seriously as I reject ANYTHING OBAMA, even in view of the fact that I believe that he is very likely to attempt to implement Martial Law, should November 4 go baddly for the Progressives. Assassination IS NOT the way for America to deal with our internal strife! That would simply accelerate, our already rapid, slide into Third World Status!

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

People said that about Bush, too, and it didn’t happen. Get a grip.

As for assassination, I agree with you. I, also, believe that it is the refuge of cowards.

rbblum

The IRS SCANDAL, VA SCANDAL & UNSECURED BORDERS are 3 of the worst transgressions of any administration since the days of segregation in the U S.

worker1950

Where are the whistleblowers? Where are the brave men and women who want to come forward with the truth? They are out there but scared because the traditional media are not doing their job.

Someone (Bill O’Reilly?) or some group (Alliance for American?) needs to establish an organization which provides legal assistance and financial assistance to governmental and administration whistleblowers. The Benghazi survivors, the southern border guards, the State Dept inspector general and other government workers have been threaten and harassed if they dare speak out. With Eric Holder as AG and the MSM sycophants of this Administration, potential whistleblowers are afraid to come forward and who can blame them.

Larry Venable

I’ll tell you where the whistle blowers are – cluck cluck cluck- they all a bunch of chicken-craps; and are more afraid of their future rather than being loyal to their oath to the Constitution.

Ted Crawford

Actually, in my opinion, Bill O’Reilly, these past 18 months or so, has shifted a little to the Left, occasionally, again in my opinion, providing some cover for Obama and his minions. I’m sure he believes it to be only “fair and balanced”, and with a less egregious administration, I might even agree, given the extremely divisive nature of this administration, I believe it is very, very dangerous!

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

“The Benghazi survivors, the southern border guards, the State Dept
inspector general and other government workers have been threaten and
harassed if they dare speak out. With Eric Holder as AG and the MSM
sycophants of this Administration, potential whistleblowers are afraid
to come forward and who can blame them.”

Unless you have verifiable proof of this all it is is conjecture.

worker1950

The home of Aurelia Fedenisn the former inspector general for the State Department was visited by agents and she as well as her children were intimated and harassed. Her attorney’s office was broken into w/ the only records stolen were her reports and notes on the misdeeds of Hillary’s State Department protective agents.

The family members of the Benghazi survivors say the survivors have been intimated w/ frequent signing of non-disclosure agreements, taking multiple polygraph tests and threats of lost of their jobs if they fail to comply.

The ICE southern border guards have also been threaten w/ job loss if they discuss and/or photograph the illegal
unaccompanied children coming from Central America.

So, TerriGerr you know full well this Administration has been intimating and harassing government workers.

scott autry

I’m too jaded about the institutions in our society I used to believe in.

Nixon was a Republican. A person with morals and ethics so screwed up should never have gotten leadership positions in a national party, but, one acronym: JFK…

I know one of the early clues that helped me understand how corrupt our media is and has always (I have to guess) been is how – every single Republican nomination for the presidency has been ridiculed as a moron too stupid to be considered for the White House – How Eisenhower led the coalition to win WWII, BEFORE America was even considered the top superpower – much less the only one – must have been the mystery of the century to the media back when he was running for president…

Yes, Nixon was a rotten person based on the things we know he did.

Was he really so terribly different than some others? I would hope so – but I have lost so much faith in the media and academia and politics – I toss the question in the box of things never to be answered…because I don’t trust the providers of information enough any more…

Did Goldwater say in public Nixon had to go? When? Was Nixon pretty much a cooked goose no matter what? It’s easy to toss rats off a sinking ship if you think it might save you and your party some votes in the near future….

The media went after Nixon for the good of the country?

Does that explain the absolute hatred they displayed for the man year after year after year to keep him out of the White House?

When the media put on an equally disgusting display in relentlessly going after Newt Gingrich after he dared lead the Republicans to gain control of the House after 40 years, were they doing it for the good of the country? I’m sure they thought so…

Why they went nuclear on Palin the second her name was mentioned as the running mate – in the best effort they could put forward to try to force McCain to remove her (and likely pick a non-woman) – I’m sure they thought it was in the best interest of the nation too…

Which exactly explains why they could not have cared less about how much they were burying for generations the last bit of credibility they had among the American people by fighting so completely to get Obama in the White House…

Would they have gone after JFK for the exact same scandals as Nixon?

Why didn’t they go after JFK for those he did have?

Yes, I’m told, it was just a different time then……

I can’t trust that idea at all any more….

nepakandy

How about Gerald Ford. A little clumsy? Made more so by Chevy Chase and his skits on SNL. I bring this up because of a network news show later in his presidency. Ford had been skiing, and made a number of successful runs on the mountain. The one that made the news, pictures, of course? His one fall.

Chuck..Tatum

Correct! Gerald Ford was probably the most athletic of all presidents. Played all sorts of sports and excelled in college football. Average American’s impression of Ford? -He can’t navigate stairs.
Chevy Chase proves you can blow the funny out of person via the nostril.

scott autry

I knew he played college football, but in checking for a link, I realized it was far worse than I had ever imagined:

He was give the MVP award his senior year at the U. of Michigan. He was also a top student. He went on to graduate from Yale Law School and was so uncoordinated and a doof, they had him help coach several sports teams…

The media has been absolutely shameless for a long, long, long time.

I was told about Yellow Journalism of the late 19th century and early 20th. I know Bernard Goldberg says that the press still strove to uphold its ideals when he first began…

…but I have zero faith in the institution any more. Regardless of era.

In the run up to Iraq War II, I watched a full news program from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It was amazing.

In tone and delivery, it was much like NPR radio.

If you didn’t use your brain at all, it gave the appearance of being “fair and balanced” —- You had to bring in your own info about things to realize ——- how utterly, completely, totally, and amazing one-sided it was.

Yes, if you just wrote down the conclusion each news item that touched on something to do with the potential war offered, (and almost all every item did touch on the war, because it was the height of the global attention to it), you should have noticed 0% were in favor of the war or Bush (or any other of the world leaders who supported him) and that 100% were negative – 0 were even neutral.

But, it was so seamless. It was so well-toned. So subtle in its complete bias, it almost sucked me into not thinking for myself….

But it dawned on me: American society was divided roughly 50/50 on the issue.

The leaders of several important nations, including Tony Blair in England and the leader in Spain, supported Bush.

Intelligence agencies of any name around the world had been supporting intel estimates.

Even the likes of Hillary Clinton felt compelled, for whatever reasons, to vote in support for part of Bush’s actions.

But, this CBC news cast could not find a single person – not a solitary public or private individual – to voice support for Bush?

That’s it…

None of the clips they did put on that showed Bush or one of his team was an attempt to show them defending their actions. They were edited in a way – and then overwhelmed with smooth “analysis” – to make it unmistakable that the intent of the piece was to further the chorus that everyone knew going to war was absolutely wrong.

So, today, when I find myself guessing back about the past of “fair and balanced journalism” in American society – my best educated, jaded guess is that – it is mythical. The only time it had the appearance of neutrality is when the liberal view was in such power within the institution, and there were no real alternatives, they could accomplish the same result through the power of omission.

Why else would the advent of cable TV – and more than 3 channels – have upset things so much???

Ksp48

The media shameless slants the news. What got me starters defending Israel in the media was a picture showing an Israeli soldier wielding a baton standing over a bleeding teenager with a caption that read something like Israeli soldier beats Palestinian protester on Temple Mount. It appeared world wide. Except that it wasn’t on the Temple Mount. It was at a Gas station. And it wasn’t a Palestinian. It was an American Jewish teenager visiting Israel who had been dragged out of his car by a mob of arabs who almost beat him to death before an Israeli soldier waded into the mob and saved his life. It can be found on line.

Ted Crawford

I’m reminded of the famous picture of the South Vietnamese Police Officer, just before he executed a restrained prisoner. What wasn’t explained, was the fact that he and two of his buddies, had just been caught , running from a home, where they had just Raped and killed a Woman and her two Daughters, one quite young!
Was he wrong? In the safety and comfort of my home, today I can easily say YES. But as a Combat Veteran, familiar with the environment of Combat, while I still realize it as wrong, I also can very easily understand and just as easily forgive!

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

Media has ALWAYS slanted things the way they wanted people to believe. This is not new, it has been happening since the Chinese invented the printing press.

Ksp48

Or that Bush (Yale and Harvard Business School ) was a dunce while Kerry was this cool intellectual. Turns out they were both at Yale sty the same time and while neither was anywhere near the top of the class, Bush was a little higher than Kerry.

Bob Hadley

Didn’t the Bush Administration claim they lost a few months of e-mails in the period leading up to the Iraq invasion in 2003? If so, did you raise your voice in disbelief?

I’m game to reading, but you’ll need to provide the links after that effort didn’t turn up anything.

Benmaxcon

Bob Hadley is just another troll. Probably the same guy as John Copper. They change names from time to time, but they are all the same small group of idiots who come on these sites just to rile us up. Ignore him

allen goldberg

Another LIBTARD trying to make a real scandal go away..by justifying it through something else.

Bob Hadley

Does name calling give expression to your inner hatred?
BTW, I’ve never tried to make the IRS thing go away. it doesn’t sound like much, but I’m willing to see where it goes. You should try keeping two different ideas in your head at the same time. You might surprise yourself.

Bob Hadley

Aren’t you the Sensitive Sally. If you get your shorts in a bunch at a simple but critical question like that, you must be auto-pilot and determined to remain that way.

Tim Ned

Yes, there is a controversy pertaining to Bush emails. It’s possible that members of the Bush administration used a private domain for some of their emails. There is even a Wikipedia page on this issue. I recall this issue and it’s tough to sort out the facts based upon the bias of the publications but it appears that the emails will be possibly released to the Bush library. Again tough to determine what is really going on with this issue.

Larry Venable

edited -removed – I know your not a troll like Hadley above

Bob Hadley

Name calling is one of the seven techniques of propaganda.
If you’re too dense to refute someone by logic, simply resort to name calling. If nothing else, it’ll make you feel good in the short run.

Larry Venable

if the shoe fits….

you libs don’t care for logic, you got what you want; I hope you like the results…

Larry Venable

I’ve read your posts, and my main point ios this. In six years you libs have screwed up our nations finances so bad that it will probably cause economic failure.

Personally I’ll be ready,, since here in the South; there will come a whole class of middle income folks, who along with the ex-military, law enforcement, and current National Guard will rise up if a rebellion occurs.

Your beloved BHO has allowed various agencies to form paramilitary force (SWAT) i.e Hitlers brownshirts…but in a rebellion you wont have 65 million in arms to defeat us.

There is no need for social security to buy a billion hollow points, nor to buy machine guns for the USDA- whens the last time a Tyson’s chicken plant had an uprising?? In fact these activities are to support the policy put in place in 2010/2011 by you got it – your beloved BHO to allow the military to quell civil unrests- as defined by the President.

Problem is there aren’t enough folks to do that if it comes to the 2nd American Revolution; and the first time the President’s Dream Team kills 10,000 Americans you guys will chuck your stomachs- since you’re all a bunch of anti-war pukes who don’t know when force is necessary; or not. The first time TV’s show mass slaughter of Americans that’ll type response will be over – then folks will be calling for prosecution of the President and his command structure (for crimes against the people) – forget impeachment.

You guys haven’t thought this out as carefully as some of them think they have.

Based on both replies below, I’ll just leave this one in the ? box of mixed junk I have no interest in furthering.

When people make points without specifics and without links and you can’t immediately locate stuff, it does smell.

The vast majority of comments on sites are very brief reactions of items in that day’s news or known websites – sometimes with quotes.

When people make comments with no meat or support – then refuses to support it – and “someone else” offers nothing but a “I heard that too”……yes…….it makes a person doubt….

Tim Ned

I was just correcting the record. Bob Hadley made a point that there is a controversy pertaining to emails during the Bush administration. With a short search phrase Googling the issue is not to difficult to locate. As to how much of a controversy I have no idea.

It isn’t about Iraq War II or 2003. It is about getting rid of federal attorneys.

From what I read there, I think it is a scandal: If either party is setting up non-governmental email servers so members of their party in office can —- bypass laws about how written communications involving even deliberations of policy and government function are supposed to be handled — you have a serious problem.

How serious? I’ve need to read more.

But, that is bypassing law.

It isn’t hard to believe the National Republican Party when it says it deleted lots of emails from people within government who were (illegally? (probably)) using that server to hide them.

Is the deletion by the NRP illegal? Unethical, yes, but it was probably why the server was established in the first place: If you are using a private server to avoid mandatory archiving laws on government servers, then routine bulk deletions would be likely.

The IRS – however – is a major public arm of the gov. It falls squarely under those mandatory archiving laws. Which is probably why they aren’t saying they “deleted” the emails – but “lost them” due to a local computer crash…

[To make clear – I’m not a lawyer. Was the NRP’s deletion illegal because the very act of setting up a private server was most likely illegal itself? I’d need to read up more on that.

The IRS deleting emails would directly violate the law – which – again – is probably why the excuse is that a local computer crash caused the loss.]

Tim Ned

I agree with your last paragraph. Also, the emails are squarely part of the investigation to determine if laws were broken or not. The Bush emails are a different story.

scott autry

I would imagine the Bush emails might be part of looking for violations of law (other than for using a private server), but, from my quick read of that limited information, it seems part of the standard massive net for information whenever one of these investigations kicks off.

One reason there are laws about archiving is because today there is felt a need to have every possible piece of possible evidence kept in case any possible future question arises about possible illegal or other wrongdoing.

I don’t know how to evaluate it…

It is part of our over-litigious culture.

But it is also a sign that immorality and unethical conduct are pretty much routine today….

Just telling a bold faced lie was viewed so very differently at the times of our founding fathers and later.

http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

“Just telling a bold faced lie was viewed so very differently at the times of our founding fathers and later.”

lol It was done all the time. What facts lead you to believe otherwise?

scott autry

Yes, that could be my romanticism rearing its head, but I still want to believe if George Washington and those guys had lied as frequently as contemporary political and government office holders do, they would have been drummed out of office.

I will have to consider and maybe do some rereading to determine if it is really nothing but fanciful thinking…

I know people lied back then, but I don’t remember getting the sense reading the biographies of Washington and Jefferson and Adams and other men of the time, they lied like politicians do today or got away with it like they do today…

Larry Venable

When will you libs realize that 6 years later- this is NOT a BUSH issue, BHO owns i

Bob Hadley

Larry, see my comment below. I did not imply or indicate that the IRS thing was a Bush scandal.

allen goldberg

Bob…were they persecuting anyone by this loss? NO but the IRS was..and please try not to go to two wrongs make a right argument, either.

Bob Hadley

I stand corrected above. The 6 million (more-or-less) “missing” e-mails were from the Democratic-led congressional investigation into the politicizing of the attorneys general. About 7 of them (many of them Republicans) appeared to have been fired because they did not file indictments leading up to the 2006 elections that would have made Democrats look bad. Karl Rove may well have been at the center of this. But his e-mails were not produced.
Are you kidding me???????????????????? If the Obama administration had done this, Fox News would be giving it wall-to-wall coverage. I was watching FNC during this period. I don’t remember much, if any, outrage about this. Add to the mix that the Obama administration had “lost” 5 million (give or take) e-mails in the period leading up to this, and Fox News and right wing radio would be banging the tocsin!
No Allen, I’m not justifying the IRS situation. Let the hearings proceed. Let the chips fall where they may. Nothing in my short comment indicated or implied this. I was suggesting that there’s selective outrage on the right. When I point out that Pres. George W. Bush or his administration was guilty of much the same things the right rants about with President Obama, the most I get was “Well, I’m not much of a Bush fan, either.”
This “team politics” erodes credibility to informed and critical minded people. The low information voters and the ideologues (and the two are not always mutually exclusive) on both ends of the spectrum are the ones who get sucked into this.

Jeff Webb

SQUIRREL!

Bob Hadley

WEASEL!
lol

BeansNRice

If true, are you telling me it’s okay? You have very low standards sir.

Bob Hadley

Nothing I said says, indicates or implies that it’s OK. In fact, quite the contrary. Obviously, you have not read my posts above. Why build a strawman?
I think you’ve had too many beans.

EddieBNYC

Bernard, I’m a big fan but I strongly disagree with the idea that the press has changed very much since Nixon. I believe if Nixon would have been a liberal he would not have had to resign. The media bias only seems worse now because: a) the presence of Fox highlights the collusive nature of the MSM b) the Internet also shines a light on the relationship between liberals and media c) talk radio also provides an outlet to discuss media pandering to the left.