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In what many observers expected, yesterday the Ethiopian television announced the Ethiopian Prime Minister resigned from his position. Hilemariam was elected by the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) as a successor to the late Ethiopian Prime Minister Melles Zenawi, who died in August 2012.

Until his election as prime minister, Hailemariam served as the chairman of Ethiopian Southern People’s Democratic Movement (ESPDM), a member of the ruling EPRDF coalition party.

Both the ESPDM and the 36-member Central Committee of the EPRDF have accepted the Prime Minister’s resignation. But the 180-member Central Committee of the EPRDF which has a wider coalition has yet to accept the resignation though it’s unlikely to reject it.

The EPRDF is convening an emergency meeting to decide, and possibly elect, Hailemariam’s successor.

According to Ethiopian Diaspora opposition members, a few names are being floated in the corridors of power in Ethiopia as a potential replacement to PM Hailemariam. Among them are Teffera Shequte, the current minister of education, and Siraj Fegessa, the current defense minister. All three are members of the ESPDM. It’s probable that one of the two will replace Hailemarian Desalgn or at least finish the remaining two years of his term.

In addition to the two, the name of Demeke Mokonnen, member of the Amhara National Democratic Movement (ANDM) is also being floated as a possible candidate. However, not being a member of the Ethiopian parliament could stand in the way of his election.

Another remote candidate is Aby Ahmad, the deputy of Lemma Begessa. Both are members of the powerful Oromo Peoples’ Democratic Organization (OPDO).

It seems the EPRDF has recognized the need for an urgent political reform to cope with the increasing discontent within the country’s social and political components. Some Ethiopians say that in his six-years as the leader of Ethiopia, Hailemariam Desalegn was less encumbered by the political culture of the armed struggle that is generally undemocratic. He was not a veteran of the Ethiopian armed struggle that unseated Mengistu Hailemariam’s bloody regime in 1991.

During his tenure, Hailemariam Desalegn pursued the same development goals started by his predecessor the late Melles Zenawi. However, at the moment Ethiopia finds itself in crossroads due to the volatile ethnic and political strain in addition to the disparity created by the fast-economic development that has exasperated the security situation.

A retired Ethiopian politician said, “any disruption of security and violence, are likely to hamper reform and prevent a true transition to democratic rule, and the Ethiopian leaders recognize that.” He further remarked, “the PM’s resignation is a positive move that gave Ethiopians hope–this would not have been possible had he been a product of the armed struggle whose culture doesn’t encourage resignations.”

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Hello room,
Tiffany Haddish recognition of her people at the Oscarshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUg_TEH7q4w&app=desktop
Tiff, you could do a little better on the elelelel…but you still get an A+ for your effort and more importantly for your tribute to your dad and all Eritreans.

blink

Dear kebesa
Waww thanks man , this is just superb. She is simply good at this .How does she reach on such in short period of time , or was she in the industry longer time than I think she is ? Great job any way and thanks for posting to this site , I could never find this link.

Selam blink,
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You always deliver. I come to glance at comments from certain people, including you, to see if there is any news from Ethiopia. You spend the time for me to provide the gist of events. Thank you.
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The Russian and American meddling in Ethiopian politics bothers me and must be resisted. The American meddling is always with good intentions fortified with ignorance.
The Ethiopian council of ministers must resist such an open interference and meddling.
God protect us from U.S Congressmen who think “Cairo” is a country in the middle east. I like the mantra of dealing with the U.S when we went into Somalia in 2006 against the advice of U.S.
>>>>We will work with you when our interest align and we will go it alone always in the interest of Ethiopia.
If Dr. Abiy or anybody else become the next P.M, one of the first declarations has to be the rejection of interference from anybody, specially from the U.S and EU.
Keep the China card close to the chest. Nobody has helped Ethiopia in a significant way more than China.
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Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam k h
Begging china is not the solution ,Why don’t try to solve the problem with the people instead of begging china? What kind of hobby is that? By the way do u guys like dr Abiy now?
Middle East is a code name for the arab world(sometimes Muslim world).

Mez

Dear Kim H.,

I would rather think this as a unique opportunity to listen to what US, EU, and Rusian have to say. Inherently, China is embeded with Russia–eventhough they could come out by themseves in to this important meeting.

Careful listening (and making best out of it) shall be the order of the day. Every one in the Ethiopian politics (including PIA from Asmara) may want to touch base with a new benchmark in the regional geo-politics and apparent political culture transformation of the region–i would say for the better.

Kim, don’t appear like a (left-leaning) fighter; that time shall be over.

The fact that three powers with conflicting interests are coming to ethiopia, more or less at the same time, when ethiopia is so vulnerable, may make anyone to wonder. In my opinion, Ethiopia is damned if she closes her door and equally damned if she leaves it wide open. Real politics says so.

Ethiopia does not have the luxury of creating an enemy out of anyone of them, when she has a deadly enemy like egypt still lurking at the sideline, and when she is politically so unstable. Moreover, if you do not allow them through the front door as friends, from where you can control them, they will come through the backdoor as enemies. You are aware their intentions when they work openly, and not when they come stealthily to undermine the country.

The odd thing (not really so odd) is that they are coming at the same time. The conclusion they have drawn from the latest crisis in ethiopia may be that ethiopia’s stability is important to them and the region, at least as much the usa and russia are concerned (most probably not uae, who i think is also sending her foreign minister). Ethiopia should not forget that she is working with a bull in a china shop ruling the world from the white house, and a sly fox (not anymore the bear) trying to control the world from the the kremlin.

A new phenomenon could be happening in ethiopia (possibly), which is, an oromo and half muslim pm (two things happening together for the first time in ethiopian history), expected to come to power and rule the country from menelik’s palace at arat kilo (just imagine how much ethiopia is changing for the better like the usa, at least on this point, an oromo + half muslim pm sitting at the throne of menelik ii). May be all of them are trying to investigate and influence the new situation, and they are getting prepared how to work with the new ethiopian government.

The economy card is china’s best playing card in which both the usa and russia are not interested. Both want to sell arms and benefit from the destruction they cause. They do not want whatsoever to help poor third world countries to come out of their misery, but to stay there permanently forever. China seems at least for the time being not ready to follow the same path with the former two.

What about the third runner, the uae want? Just pay much much more attention to what they intend to do. I believe that they want to enter a wedge between ethiopia and qatar and spoil relations. In addition, it may want to send the message that it too is important, because it controls ethiopia’s life line through the ports.

Teodros Alem

Selam horizon
Talking about enemy of ethiopia.
Do u know this song ,do they know it’s Christmas?
The singer is bono, it was 1985 after the drought in ethiopia(tigrai) .according to most black intellectual the concert (do they know it’s Christmas) were performed to black paint the black society(africa) and ethiopia sarcastically by the name of aid for the victims of the drought.and since than ethiopia’s image trashed . the point is tplf gave bono to get the honorary doctorate from mekele university. With the present of tedros(ffm) and regional president abay weldu.

Kim Hanna

Selam Horizon,
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A lot of good points. I agree with you.
However, the U. S political involvement in 3rd world countries has never been positive. True, the U.S is the major contributor for the humanitarian causes, and we must be grateful for that.
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Right after the 2nd world war power switching to the U.S from Europe, Emperor Haile Selassie was reported to have said that the U.S …”ayawqubetem”. I think he is dead on.
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You are right, Ethiopia cannot afford to have enmity with anyone, least of all the U.S. It has to be handled as one would handle a 4 year old boy with a loaded pistol, very carefully and with humor.
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Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam k h
Why do u need to mix up tplf with ethiopia? It’s two different things, one ethiopia haters and the other is a country .We all know u guys have 0 love(interest) to ethiopia and now the ethiopians people knows that u guys r haters and that is why u can’t even use ur language outside of tigrai in public( except known eritrans) . so pls don’t mix up poltical party and a country, it is two different things.

Kim Hanna

Selam Teodros Alem,
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You are mixed up. You have such a great name.. but the saying that goes ……melke Tefu….besim yedegefu…. might be operative here.
When you begin by saying ..” u guys have 0 love (interest) to Ethiopia…” are you including Horizon too? I just don’t know what to make of you. I hope it is not a projection, with a name like that.
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Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam k h
U mad at me now, but u better mad at ur twisted heart, am good looking guy, how do i know that? Because a lot of pretty ladies told me so. I think u miss understood when i say u guys have 0 love(interest) to ethiopia, i meant ur record(the bono, trying to create the greater tigrai over the dead body of ethiopiawenet and so on) shows, ur hate everything ethiopia, that is what i mean.
Horizon is one of u guys , enemy of ethiopia.

25.6 It is okay to criticize a political ideology but it is not okay to attack a collective identity (race, ethnicity, tribe, region, religion, nationality, gender, etc). Doing so will result in immediate suspension/ban.

We (moderators on duty) enforce that zealously and a lot of the cries about “censorship” are from people who violate it and find their trash thrown to the trash bin. Some of them are genuinely surprised because in their discourse ወያነ=ዓጋመ=ተጋሩ. I write about Weyane the political party that has committed numerous mistakes and crimes and not the region or people it sprang from. Therefore, your criticism is invalid and there is only one party to blame for the system in Ethiopia that make a political party synonymous with the people and region it came from and that party is Weyane.

Still, I am sensitive to what you are saying: that reckless people say and do reckless things specially if they can find a convenient punching bag for their recklessness. So, don’t equate TPLF with EPRDF with Ethiopian government. As more and more power and responsibility shifts from TPLF to EPRDF, not only will you notice the government referred to as EPRDF but as OPDO/ANDM because (and again this is not the fault of those of us commenting), it turns out that EPRDF is not a front of people who share a common ideology (revolutionary democracy) but a people who have nothing in common other than being self-appointed chieftains of the political tribes they designed. I think you will agree that I have used other synonyms for the baddies in Ethiopia to include “EPRDF” and “the National Security Complex.” And fanboys Eyob and Amde will witness that I have been making fun of the definitely-not-Weyane Lemma giving every vibe of an empty suit.

“Jaundice” is the right word on claims made by governments and their conspirators (GOs and NGOs) in countries without free press, independent civil society and political opposition. So my skepticism about double digit growth and such like advertisements is not just limited to Ethiopia but to, say, Rwanda. I look at the HDI and I see Ethiopia trapped in the same place after 26 years of Weyane EPRDF reign.

I am sympathetic, again, to the sense of entrapment your people feel–they supposedly have a government that represents their interests, they are looked at as benefiting from this association, but in reality, the life of the ordinary Tigrayan has not materially improved– but that is this thing called democracy, African style: a minority can be a king maker but never the king. If you look at the rest of Africa, even in the democracies, it is a competition between largest and second largest tribes. You Ethiopians had a chance to transcend that in 1991, but instead you institutionalized identity politics.

Anyway, if it is any consolation at all, we Eritreans have messed things up so badly in our country, we are not even at the point where we have politicians blaming each other. We have one king and the only strategy to defeat him appears to be to wait for him to die.

Selam Nitricc
I see know what blink mean when he said mengestu family is helping too.i thought he was accused me of derg sarcastically.

Kim Hanna

Selam Nitricc,
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I never expected it either. I bet PIA will support him or his family to come back to Ethiopian politics.
Now that Mugabe is his constant companion, he might be trying to run away again.
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Mr. K.H

Nitricc

Hi All; this days, you can’t avoid the new slogan of Tigryans that is coined to say “ Tigraians and Eritreans, we are brothers and we are one people” I have a very problematic approach in assessing and processing that piece of slogan. In a way, I understand it because The Tigryans copycat everything Eritrean, You name it, and they copycat it; Even the numbers of martyrs. As we all know Eritrean martyrs are well documented not only the date of their death is on the record but at times with what kind of weapon she/he was killed. Accordingly, the Eritrean government announced the name of
the martyrs one by one with their picture and it was at the time to be 65K. On the other token Tigryans never documented their martyrs and at the conclusion of their struggle; they announce if your other significant didn’t come home that means she/he is martyred. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, the Tigryans started declaring their number of martyrs. Since the Tigryans fought only for 17 years, a lot shorter than Eritrean 30 years, you would expect lesser number of martyrs than the Eritrean’s one. I don’t know, say like 40K, 50K, 60, NO it is exactly 65K as the Eritreans number. I mean I have heard many Eritrean songs that where copied by the Tigryans, typical Eritrean names, festivals and many others. The idea of imitating everything Eritrean has its purpose. The purpose of copycatting anything Eritrean is to saturate to level of no difference between Eritrea and Tigray. They copied everything but they failed the one what Eritrea does and the one
they MUST had to do and copy as everything else; was notional military service in Tigray. Since it is a federal system, every Killil has its own jurisdiction and the Tigryans had everything power to execute the National Millitary service. If they had that they could have controlled Ethiopia for the next hundreds of years. No one will dare to rise up against TPLF in Ethiopia. They would have never be where they are now. And After Eritreans were told the color of their eyes wasn’t desirable and deported like a dog, now they are the same people like you are?
“ፍታሕ ንተጋሩ ምስ አሪትራ ምሕባር እዩ” ኣቶ ገብረክዳን ደስታ”
go to youtube and find the title. I was going to give the link but I am overdoing it. sometimes it is good to respect the law.

blink

Dear Nitricc
This is General Nitricc at his best , I mean the Tigrians have a known project and that is copying every Eritreans song , picture , numbers and even structure of a fighter in a very open way, what is left , well nothing is left really, they have a song called bahrina , you would think Tigrians are may be saying Bahlina , no no , they said Bahrina. Which sea are they saying? They even try to bragg about Adulis old development, I mean which Adulis are they talking? Elite Tigrians have a problem and that is really a bad Tumor to all Tigrians. They mushroomed all Eritrean songs and they do this all over the net , why ? Wouldn’t they help if they invented their own music beats that reflect their own creativity. Tigrians are good I mean to good but they are failed by their elites. Sad story but true that Eritreans has to be very proud . I heard they have Abraham Afewerki date of celebration, can you imagine what they thought about this , it is mind boggling.

My advice for Eritreans is to learn Tigre language and even write many books in Tigre and music in Tigre so that we can have our own . These Eritreans who cry for Arabic can be begged to accept Tigre is also a majority language.

iSem

hi Blink:
you are a disciple of priviate nitricc
Do not start the language debate now. it ithe easiest to solve in Eri but the stupid pfjd policy screwed it, You can learn Tigrayit (NOT Tigre) and develop it
I think best policy is to learn 12 languages and have 12 radio station, 12 tv station and 12 streams of instruction in mother tongue so we create equality of languages
1. Tigriniya
2. Tigrayit
3. Afar
4. Bawdyait (Hidarab)
5. Arabic
6. Nara
7, Kunama
8. saho
9. Bilen
10. Jebertayit
11. Amichayit
12 pfdjite (so ppl like nitricc can engage in their mother tongue)

blink

Dear isem
Thanks for the quick 🦅 eye , you just looked at my post by mirco . Tigrayit or Tigre no too much difference for most and I am 100% you understood what I mean . You never know if I could speak it any way , PFDJ did screwed it badly, they could have listened to you then .Any way what I meant was that Eritreans need to figure out how to have their own culture away from the connection of the so called Hoye Hoye tehambele connection .

Well tigrayit ahmm , I will not say anything.

iSem

Dear blink:
their own culture eritreans need to have.Fine. What is culture, who decides what is once lang or identiy or culture? The culture and lang debate has been settled long time ago. Do u believe religion is ingrained in ones culture and identity. When an orthodox says kilalayson during mhlela he is deeping into old jewish of praying, but we take it as our cultire, the same when Pente calls u and says shalom brother Blink, the same when jeberti says jummaat instead of arbi
so my blink, culture is not blank and white,it is dotted with different colours.
Yes there is a lang called Jebertite: aboy Nurhushen terahomom is jebertie, assri ksegid eye is an othere

blink

Dear isem
Would you commit a national project to voice only the two words you stated , come on , my grandfather village is called Drbetay and my grandmother is called Emba katsa , now you can figure out everything about me with out asking any one.

Every other thing you explained , I agree but Nitricc take was not about it , why do Ethiopians copy Eritrean music and screen play too ? Answer yourself. My answer is like this , Ethiopians have been taking Eritrean intellectual property for purposes other than profit. The only purposes is aimed at influencing Eritrean peoples’ sentiments towards their independence and Ethiopia their propaganda do give few lose fruits like Thomas . We see this all the time from Ethiopian musicians. For example, Teddy Afro, the Micheal Jackson of Ethiopia, regularly mentions Eritrea and Eritreans in his music. He sings about Eritrean and Ethiopian families being ‘split’ by Eritrea’s independence (“Dahlak” song), how beautiful Eritrean women are and sings about “unity” between both countries all behind a shield of love music to spread subtle messages against Eritrea’s independence while displaying the old feudal system in it . I was expecting saay to nullify such people with his pen but to my demise he disappeared on such thing.
Oh about religion, come on isem , don’t push me

iSem

Dear Blin”
To my “demise”, abayka, that is Tigre for qdmekka also in some areas say that 🙂
Eritrean culture been drained to ethiopia, it sis good not for unity but it is about time, before they were impsoing their culture like etti kalee qunnat now our culture going there, I think it is good, we can dominate:-) But that is not priority now, priority is attacking Ela-Ero and taking the heroes out, saay was fund raising for that:-:-)

blink

Dear isem
Fund raising, you are cruel to a sense that you can pick some from saay , 🤔 .Ela-Ero, ahmm , aytibeke eyu zebkyeni gida ebahal , crying about Era- Ero and praising weyane do not go well for 20 years and you know that we have to avoid mixing both.

iSem

blink:
No Saay said that, but u may not know as a rookie awatista:-)
Actually it is logical, consistent, and very hinged to praise Woyane as u like to call them in regards to Ela-Era: Ela Ero is the notorios toruture chambers that PFDJ build to toruture G-15 and no one from g-15 has been seen let alone be about.Where the woyane beat ur guys is their g-15 are out after serving l7 years and they are still alive. your turn blink, but do not tell me the tired they did it cus they were pressured, I never said they did it cus they were saints, Yes TPLF shines in how it treats its g-15, its founding fathers and motheres. Dot quote nitricc

blink

Dear Isem
Still you didn’t bring reasonable claims, why the Ethiopians copy Eritreans product? What could it be the reason?

iSem

blink:
well then i stand corrected and let me amend that you were not visible, u see like in high school, there are some ppl who studied with you for 110 years but no one remmebers them in reunions 🙂
Now U can ask them why are copying, but that is irrelevant to the suffering of our people, nay i mean my people:-)

blink

Dear isem
Your legacy in this forum is known as the basher of Eritrean revolution and your source is all but gossip given to you while in Canada or Sudan yet you couldn’t give an explanation for a soft power played by your idols , try don’t run away like the known cowards . Give it a try , why do they copy and spoil our national treasure. I used to read some people saying Semere Andom is a straight shooter , give it a try .

iSem

Blink:
look u are fluctuating between lucidness to silliness:
I have no idea what their motivation is for stealing ask them.
Give me one gossip i wrote about, u are not telling the truth, i was going to say u are telling a lie,but u may not know that ur lying
I asked u, are the ppl who are murdered and tortured less important than stealing our art . To me imitation is the utmost flattery so i like it if they are enamored by our art, like u were enamored by am amharic songs
My record maybe shooting straight, what is urs? do not burn brain cells, i will tell u: ur legacy is deny eritreans who want arabic, to split hair why teddy afro sing tig instead of splitting hair abt eritreans torturned, u have no case, ur goal is distraction, just like private ntiricc.

blink

Dear isem
Ahmm gossip, would it be too much to say, you have no legacy with out gossip, no no you swim in it and again shower by it. Now ,since when do I say Arabic is not Eritreans language ?

The gossip you played about EPLF is simply too much to write down here but don’t take it as offense because you may be born to it so you can’t figure out if it is gossip.

My stand for the murder is clear and that is a democratic state must look in to it by allocating big budget ,stamp out the truth and make a museum about all the crimes so that every one can visit and learn . Adhanom is easily accessible and he knows all , just pay him some packs may be.

iSem

Blink:
u are lying now. I am confident about it.everythng i said about eplf pfdj is corroborated
U said arabic is hoye hoye culture and we should learn tigre instead.
Now u are worried that teddy sings tigreinya, am flattered by it. My stand is with the tortured ur stand is with the those who torture. And your debate from last year was islamophobic and ur losing sleep over a an artistic stealing tig songs. get life,ur thinking like ur nic is blin and so will be ur legacy and the legacy of those u are supporting, obsessing with stupid things and the crimes of tplf instead of focusing on the crimes on our ppl, if eri ppl are ur ppl, who knows these days, u maybe trafficker

blink

Dear isem
Reread again my comment was about the Habesha thing , I said Hoye Hoye tehambele thing , just read it sir if you are talking about the thread I wrote with Horizon. I was referring to the lies told about the “ we are one “ Habesha thing. You know for a fact I despise the Habesha and love Sudanese leaders than your idols, you can see how it really I don’t hate Arabic language. Ask any one in the forum sir .

iSem

Dear private Nitricc
You maybe correct about the undocumented war dead of TPLF, I have no idea about that and how many died in the 16 years they were fighting. When I was in Dedebit, we had only a handful martyred;-)
But you are so wrong, u have no clue about the Eritrean dead were all documented, do not talk about stuff that is beyond your pay grade, high above your capacity. Here it is info about Eritreas martyrs, you can expand and challenge and research it if you want more cells
EPLF reported 54k, but the Eri Ghedi did not start with EPLF, it started when IA was still serving HS with his uncle in 1961 and before that if you consider Hareka. and we had 4 orgs, the two biggest were EPLF and ELF and EPLF in 1991 they only had a few of ELF martyrs from Sagem, because when ELF was purged by your then TPLF and EPLF unholy alliance it splintered into 3, the tiny group were scooped by EPLF in a volture take over in 1987 and they had a few hundreds of martyrs in their files, that is all, the biggest chuck went with the other two
Besides that all the murdered fighters in EPLF were not announced. So do not pontificate for your own good, for the sake of those vulnerable, buddying, germinating, promising cells;-) There are thousands of families who never got closure. Stay away from this stuff because you are not qualified, your knowledge is based from the alcoholic anonymous gathering (YPFDJ conferences)

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
For tigraians going to eritrea is/was a big deal is more than like wining us dv lottery in addis , Even if u ask any tigraian little kids , what is ur wish to be when u grow up? Almost all of them will tell u eritrean.

Thomas

Hi Teodros Alem,

You just insulted nitricc the oromo boy. I thought the joke was for an oromo guy wanting to become amhara:) The oromo guy was preparing to receive his degree and was asked what he wanted to become after leaving the school, his answer was “amhara”. Sorry nitricc but your friend Teodros brought this up.

Teodros Alem

Selam Tommy
R u kidding? Why would oromo wants to be amara. U made that up right? Anyway it is not a joke, u can see it from tigraian all over the world. Let me tell u a true story, where i used to work there was one female tigraians(good looking and highly paid) and there was eritrean man( ok and always broke) so she in order to get the title(married with eri=eri) i can’t tell u how much she spent her money , energy, time and on the other hand the guy need her material but don’t wanna marry her because his family will mad at him . that tells me somthing.

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

There is a problem and it is you are a lair. I am a born and grown up Asmara guy. In my life, I have encountered with many very respectful tigrians and they were very proud of their tigrian identity. Let me again tell you, there were many tigrians who left Eritrea right after our independence without any pressure from anyone because they believed that they are Tigrians and never wanted to change their citizenship and become an Eritrean. You see it is easy to disprove your hate motivated lies.

Teodros Alem

Selam Tommy
Not changing citizenship but the title to be called eritrean. Any way i don’t expect u to admit it for obvious reasons.

Thomas

Teodros Alem,

My advise stop bluffing if you have no idea what you are about to say. Know your boundaries, your name says you are an Ethiopian and in the past I asked about your nationality and your answer was: “I am Ethiopian”. I see you are acting as an Eritrean and as an Ethiopian at times. So, who are you? So, are you sure you are not describing yourself? That you wanted to become an Eritrea when you are not. I have heard people say that inferiority complex is bad, but this bad? I have no words to describe.

Dear Fanti
If you can say a word , can you say Sth about the news that says “A delegate from the United States was told by TPLF officials that the state of emergency was necessary to “prevent a takeover of power by the military,” and the meeting was only between US delegates and members of the TPLF namely Sebehat Nega, Seyoum Mesfin and Abay Tsehaye . Why not the PM or his deputies?

Fanti Ghana

Selam blink,

I am not sure whether such a meeting took place and if it did I am not sure why. Anyhow, the PM is just standing by the door waiting for the next person to accept the key to his office. I don’t think he is actively doing anything official. Was the news source reliable or could it have been one from those “seber zena” factories?

blink

Dear Fanti
I got the news from one of esat news follower . I asked because I find it hard to believe these three people wield this much power. Thanks as always.

Teodros Alem

Selam fanti
I tewodros Alem mesfin born in addis ababa and never lived outside of addis in ethiopia.
My families r gondere who came to addis ababa when they were at younge age .both of my father and mother have tigraians blood as most people in north gonder(walkyet too).which means 1/4 from my mother side(temben) and 1/4 from my father side(adwa)
Which means 2/8 me is from tigrai and i have a lot of relatives from tigrai and some from eritrea(by marriage) but my family believe they r gondere, habesha, ethiopia. That is all.

Fanti Ghana

Selam Teodros Alem,

Thank you. That was very generous of you. At the end of the day, we are all the same people, proud Ethiopians or proud Eritreans. Let’s not let a few greedy bad apples divide us or poison our souls.

Teodros Alem

Selam fanti
” let a few greedy bad apples divide us or poison our souls” for me those few greedy bad apples who divide us or poison our souls r tplf(by far)and i wonder how u don’t see it.
For real.

Wrong ‘Bahirna’ but one of my favorites. It brought floods of memories for me. Here is the correct Bahrina.

Recording technique was not advanced enough for some of the lyrics to be heard clearly over the drums, clapping, and other static noises on all revolutionary songs before the 3rd year.

So, it was decided to read the lyrics before the music as Eyasu is doing in this one. We started doing this near/at the third year anniversary, but it was later dropped as recording technique got a little better. Enjoy.

Can someone tell me why the pfdj supporters have already started badmouthing or attacking Dr. Abiy Ahmed (rumored for might be the next PM of Ethiopia)? These supporters are saying that Dr. Ahmed will even be more loyal to the weyanes and I think they are very frustrated for the reason I have hard time understanding. They all over this “ab enda tesfa zeiblom website”.

One thing I know is they were so excited when Trump was elected and they are no more now because the guy//Trump does not even know where Eritrea is located. They need to provide him a map of the country and in which zone in Africa is located:)

I think of the supporters of the dictator as drug dealers who gets intimidated by whoever is around them. They don’t even trust their shadow.

iSem

Hi Thomas:
I know why. Do u remember how Molla Asghedom played them, now with an Oromo PM, the OLF may go home and next time with Amhara PK, the G7 may go home, so they will waste their money to create yet an other opp to ethiopia.
You see they measure success by how much ethiopia becomes mess, if along with it eri become mess, it is still success in the minds of Private Nitricc of Gojjam

Nitricc

Semere; Don’t worry, he is a TPLF dog. he is going look for your TPLF goons. The sad part is the Qerro movement is hijacked. The question is why did he edited 56 time in two days his bio? I know you can’t think so just I am giving you a jump start.

iSem

Hi Nitricc:
what the heck u are talking about? what is Qerro?
and I do not know he edited it much less 56 and how should I know, I am not his biographer
also I am not saying he is good or bad, they will decide on who is best servers their interest, so whatever th PFDJ hired guns are saying is irrelevant, but either way it is good for ethiopia, if TPLF dies, is good, I do not have problem with that, the problem is u ar blind folded, ethiopia is trying and but we are hijacked by mafiose,

Nitricc

semere; you don’t know what Qerro is? All you know is your TPLF goons huh? So you didn’t read his bio on line? How is it you can find and play TPLF songs but you don’t even know what Qerro is and you don’t read and informed about a person who is going to be a PM? You are even dumber than I thought. geeeeee

Thomas

Hi iSem,

I think this nitricc oromo guy is not only ignorant but someone with a bipolar disorder. It is sad that there is no way of knowing who is on the other side commenting.

woldeab

Thomas selam
I met Nitricc in Columbus Ohio a couple of years ago in a restaurant named Dukem.
He is a fine upstanding young man.
What would you like to know more than what you read?

Thanks

Thomas

Woldeab,

If you are couragious and real, let me meet you in Columbus, Ohio and to discuss what you are stating. I might need to know who you are.

woldeab

Selam Thomas,
Date, time and place please?

Thomas

Ok, which side in Columbus do you live? Give me your phone number? I am off during weekends so any time during weekend is fine. Choose a restaurant or coffee shop anywhere in Columbus I will find you.

iSem

Hi woldeab;
Ok, he talked about his encounter in columbus, but can u tell us how u define upstanding?

Thomas

Hi iSem,

We can see this woldeab guy is a lair. Nitricc cannot even dare to write with his real name. We don’t even know where Nitricc lives except he is in one of the states:)

Thomas

iSem,

Thank you very much for lesson. No one knows these useful idiots better than you. The destruction of other countries is a pretext to say here we have the land of Eritrea (though will never get back badme and the rest of sea ports sold piece by piece to the Arabs) untouched. Our Eritrea to fall into the hands of these murderers was like a curse.

Ethiopia has gained a 19% stake (shares) in the port of berbera, which will supplement the port of djibouti as a second gateway to ethiopia, thus facilitating the ever growing import-export trade of the country. DP world, somaliland and ethiopia are satisfied with the agreement reached.
It seems that the importance of the port of assab to ethiopia is continuously diminishing as years pass, thus minimizing the chance for future cooperation between the two countries.

blink

Dear Horizon
Eritreans do not need Ethiopian goods to pass through their ports , what Eritreans need is peace and mutual existence, that’s all Eritreans need. If Ethiopia respected the decision of EEBC and give back what’s is ours that’s more than the port benefit can give because that will be the end . Eritreans are hard working people who can do it with out any thing that has to do with Ethiopia. Ethiopia can also get loan to finance the 19% or more like train to the port , what they need is a call to Abay Tsehaye of Metec and Chinese conglomerates.

Countries who get loans are countries who are expected to pay back their loans. No country throws away good money. If woyanes can easily declare and accomplish projects, we have no problem with that.

You told me about my dream, and let me tell you the painful reality on your side, that is, dia/pfdj and its supporters have destroyed eritrea’s economy irreversibly, at least for the immediate future.

Do you people have any other explanation other than tplf/woyane for anything that concerns ethiopia and eritrea. Your response has become only too predictable. For every thing that happens under the ethiopian and eritrean sky, tplf woyane is the culprit. They will thank you for making them so powerful and so famous by keeping them in the news 24/7. Try to find a different explanation other than tplf/woyane for a change.

blink

Dear Horizon
It is true PFDJ destroyed Eritrean economy and there is no way some one can come up with any reasonable defens , what I am saying is that Eritreans can still live with out the Ethiopian containers , that is my view. Loan ahmm , yes yes loan .

There is no country without external debt (loan). Even giant usa owes the world more than 20 trillion dollars, let alone poor old ethiopia. Unfortunately, more debt is accumulated every year. World economy has been regulated in such a way that no country can exist without loans.

Especially poor countries can not invest in their economy without getting loan from others. Ethiopia could get a billion dollars loan about a year ago by floating bonds, which means that it has a promising economy. Otherwise no one will lend, or the interest rate will be prohibiting.

Nevertheless, external debt does not mean always a poorly functioning economy, except in poor third world countries, because debtors are at the same time lenders as well. Even self reliant eritrea owes others.

blink

Dear Horizon
You are right about the debt and you can also say more about the METEC thing plus the sugar factory, cement and many more , the secret of the state of Ethiopian debt will be open soon so no need to hurry.

Now to the main topic and that is port , do you believe Eritreans can live comfortably with out Ethiopian containers ? That’s the view I need from you , despite the economic benefits from Ethiopian containers , I believe it is a curse and bad for Eritreans. I personally believe Eritreans can build their land with out a dime from Ethiopians port service fees . Ethiopians can go their own way and we will manage with what we have . What do you think? At least the fake Habesha thing will decay out .

Yes, i believe that eritreans can live without economic cooperation with ethiopia, but it may not be comfortably as you said, or an independent life without the need of others.

Look, uae will not be in assab forever. What is the use of having a port (or anything else for that matter), if it is not going to contribute to the country’s economy in today’s interconnected world.

It is easy to see djibouti’s benefit from ethiopia, and somaliland is expecting to gain from ethiopia’s use of its port of berbera. DP world is extremely happy with the outcome, because it knows very well that ethiopia is the only country that is going to use the port, and it now believes that its investment is worth the money spent.

Similarly, what is the use of saying that the source of the blue nile is in ethiopia, if it is benefiting other countries at the expense of ethiopia, and ethiopia gets nothing out of it? That is why ethiopia risked everything to assert her rights over the river nile and started to build the gerd.

If the pfdj continues to believe that it should keep the iron curtain that separates eritrea from the rest of the world, it is a crime against the people of eritrea. This scenario will have one and only one result, which is self destruction by nullifying eritrea’s relevance in the region, and blocking the economic benefit she could have by working with the countries of the horn, and depending less on arab countries. Of course, it is within pfdj’s power to work only with arab countries, and dump the countries of the horn.

Finally, It is not possible to erase or rewrite history, and the habesha thing is going to stay. Nobody can force them to deny their habesha identity. Those who do not like it are free to exit, by respecting other people’s choice.

blink

Dear Horizon
The are countries on this earth with zero natural resources but best democracy and administration systems and they out muscle all these so called rich natural resources. I believe we Eritreans have the right to trade with Sudan Dijubuti, Ethiopia and all the world . By the way port is nothing if it is a curse . We Eritreans need democracy that can govern the people we don’t need any thing from Ethiopia. If things settle down it is natural to trade unless searching other means is simply the best. I believe Eritreans need to assume as there is no benefit from Ethiopia and they should foster another venue for trade or any thing. We simply are capable of developing Eritrea with out any contact with Ethiopian markets due the world economy reality. Ethiopia is a curse for Eritreans and they have to start introducing a complete strategy way outside Ethiopian markets. We just need a democratic state that’s all.

Habesha ahmm the hate is there but we need to defeat these who don’t learn from history. All this talking by gashe Saleh gadi about a good dream is because he doesn’t learn history. If he did he would know that the animosity between the so Habesha thing is the devil in the room. Habesha is the reason Eritreans died , Can you imagine there was no a single blood between Sudanese and Eritreans for almost many decades.

A very good example of a developed country with zero natural resources is japan and south korea. One important thing we should not forget is that even during the first world war, japan was almost on equal footing with the industrialized west. Of course, s. korea is a late-comer.

In today’s world, it is not an easy matter to become an industrialized developed country, because the way is not only long, but also difficult to travel any more, when one starts from a very low level, and the developed world is already at the stage of AIs. The economic, political and security crisis the world is passing through since 2008 is the belief in the policy of the two unequal worlds, the rich and the poor, the developed and underdeveloped, and the world of producers and that of consumers, and who should be the master.

Developing eritrea without any contact with ethiopian market, or a small and poor country ignoring the importance of its larger neighbors and its large market is possible, but does not serve its economic interests.

Having a democratic state is very important as you said, but what are the chances eritrea will be democratic in the coming ten years (i do not want to give more years to the dictator). Very slim, with the internal and external policy it pursues.

Why is a sea port a curse in the hands of the eritrean regime and a blessing in the hands of the djibouti government? Don’t you think that it depends on how one handles the issue?

SJG not learning from history, with such a deep knowledge of history; wow, that is far from what the truth attests about him. The reality is quite the opposite. Do not expect that everybody should adopt your point of view, and there is only one solution for the eritrean problem, your solution. There are other solutions as well, that could be even better.

You are entitled to your opinion, Habesha is the reason Eritreans died and Ethiopia means killings. Nevertheless, i do not think that the 200K eritrean refugees who went to ethiopia are there with this fear in mind. If the elites (politicians) have done their best to make the two people enemies, it is their fault and not that of the ordinary people. Be sure ordinary ethiopians and eritreans have no problem whatsoever, whether they call themselves habeshas or whatever.

Kokhob Selam

Dear Brother Horizon,

Your above massage is very interesting. I really appreciate your take. And I think very soon those two nations will seat in one round face to face (one table ) to solve the case,, Look the bellow statement of Queen Hayata..

“Bridges of positiveness and cooperation shall prevail over the wall of hate and separating rivers.”

KS,,

Nitricc

Hi KS; I don’t why but I can’t help but to wonder. To develop a country is not something that happens through prayers or miracles, it doesn’t. It happens through hard work and self-reliance. The reason Africa is a failed continent is not that by the lack of row materials and natural recourses but lack of people who are welling to work, lack of leadership who is honest and corruption free. Africans have two things in their mind and wanted two things. one either they have to get free things or handouts if not they will migrate to the developed countries. They don’t have the mentality that says, you know what, I am going to build my country, I am staying home, I will make it work, I belong here, I will meat the challenge, I will be the engine of the change. Case point is Eritrea; finally an African leader emerged who believes “it can be done” and starts to move things but of course the people migrated to where there is a free handouts or to developed countries. That is the case the Eritreans in Sudan and Ethiopia refugee comps and the Eritreans who are wondering in the streets of Europe. So, KS, development needs commitment, development needs courage and development needs self pride and dignity. Again case in point, look at Singapore? How do you think they did it?

blink

Dear Horizon
True there is no a single society on this earth born to hate another but as you said the elite wants things on their way if not I don’t even see the necessity of border but can we even out done the elite in a society? I mean we can’t. Ethiopians are peaceful society but the elite inside the society can’t live in a peaceful society, they must wage war and go on to campaign for more wars only to make their heinous dream come True and most of the time they win , at least in our case the elite wins 100%. Do not see me like Ali salim who wish to form a Islamic state in cooperation with Sudan ,0

Kim Hanna

Selam Horizon,
.
I read the exchange between you and blink. It is like watching oil and water attempting to mix.
.
You two touched a lot of topics. One is this. Berbera port being developed by DW (Dubai World) which is interesting in its own right.
It appears that the deal of the agreement between DW and Somaliland is a 70% and 30% in favor of DW, just remember that. It is their cash after all.
.
I don’t have facts to support what I am going to say.
It is reported that 51% DW, 30% Somaliland and 19% Ethiopia.
.
If the project cost is 600 Million, Ethiopia is poised to contribute 19% (114 million in cash or loan) to the project. I would say it would be a stupid deal to get into such a risky investment on Ethiopia’s part.
However, if DW approached Ethiopia and offered 19% from their 70% share in exchange for a commitment of usage for a portion of its import export business. That is a prudent and most likely agreement. I am sure blink would disagree. Any port without usage is just a beach.
.
Mr. K.H

blink

Dear K.m
I support the project 100% . I am happy Ethiopia is going away from Eritrea and all my views with Horizon was about that. DP world will offer Ethiopia a deal that could not refuse . You will not believe what is in the pipe for Ethiopia ,all looks green and it is believed that DP will own many other forms of project with Ethiopia in this import and export saga. Ohh the news will not appear in Aljazeera so do in awatecom. You know why ?

Al jazeera has also written that DP world, the port operator, is going to have the 51% at last, while somaliland retains the 30%, and ethiopia gets the difference, the 19%.

The ethiopian government is to invest to develop the berbera corridor, a road from the border with ethiopia to berbera, which most probably means ethiopia would mobilize its road construction authority. No other financial details were given.

Ethiopia is going to use the port to cover the need of south eastern ethiopia, which in the future may also be served by the port of Lamu.

Teodros Alem

Selam blink
Tplf is playing adwa victory now for two purposes .1 as usual to make money(adwa university and tourism attractions in adwa). 2nd, again the old usual game which is to checkmate ethiopiawenet vs ethnicity .
What do u think?? U think they will succeed this time ?i heard The gathering to celebrate the day turn out to be by down down tplf. What do u think?

blink

Dear Teodrose
Well adwa will not save them not even the largest dam in Africa. There is nothing in their stor that can protect them to stay in 4 kilo . They are at the last resort of bullets , that’s all they have and it will run it’s course. Even mengie daughter is helping.

Berhe Y

Dear MS,

The respect is mutual. I engage with you, because I take what you write seriously, otherwise it’s easy to ignore what you write and just wouldn’t care.

I said that, I would apologize to you if I misunderstood you what you meant. It would have been better (in my opinion) if you had explain it as you have and moved on.

You don’t have an obligation to respond to me, I get it and don’t feel that you have to.

I agree with the points you made 1 – 4. I did that to show you that, I have no problem to the points you made. But what you wrote was not (in those points) not the same what you said in your previous post.

Just to repeat this is what you said.

“What hurts me most is that people who have denigrated Eritrean identity, who bashed our revolution, defended Ethiopian atrocities and downplayed Eritrean sacrifices are protected and even encouraged to thrive in this forum while people who want to give constructive impetus to the progress of our collective drive for the betterment of Eritrea are demonized.”

How is this point related to the points you made in 1 – 4.

Anyway, your made your point and, you don’t have to respond if you don’t want to.

wediHanka..

Berhe

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Hope,

There was news about mole rats recently. Scientists discovered that mole rats seem to have adapted some sort of rejuvenating ability. They hardly get sick, and they live 10 times longer than subway rats.

What those scientists did not know is that there are other type of creatures, code named TPLF and PFDJ, that have adapted the same technique.

However, let’s not give up hope, but let’s also be ready for the long haul.

Tzigereda

Hey Fanti ጨለ,

Those naked mole rats live underground (ትሕተ ባይታ) in ultra social colonies where they are much more protected from accidents etc, ይብል እቲ መጽናዕቲ is the reason why they survive longer. You are comparing the naked rats ( smart rats) with the ሰብ ባኖ. How?

Fanti Ghana

Hello Tzigeredawani,

እዋይ ውርደት! You had to come in the moment I said the stupidest thing. Where were you earlier when I was on my best?

Really, I am beginning to feel I had enough of both. Both have been in power for almost the entire length of Eritrean struggle for independence. When you compare it like that you get the sense of how exhaustively long time that is.

Change of scenery alone should have been enough for either or both to realize dignified retirement is preferable than waiting to be chased away like a thief after a life time of sacrifices.

Most criticisms I ignore or forget but there was one time I said እዝጊ/ እዝጊዮ and this guy savaged me in an email (it was one more proof to him I was a “Jihadist”) that it stung and made me insecure about proper usage. Emma, If the full word is እግዚኣብሄር how can its abbreviation be እዝጊ?

saay

iSem

hi Sal and Emma
Since Sal did not read my article about Shiwesh and shishig, he will be confused, but some areas pronounce it this way. So both are correct
ተስፋ-ማርያም: ተስፋ-ማይራም
ማርያም ኣደይ፡ ማይራም ኣዳይ
እግዚኣብሄር: እዝጋቢሄር

Fanti Ghana

Selamat iSem Anbesa,

“Yo, let me aks you somethin'” is it then ባርያጋብር or ባይራጋብር?

it is one of my beloved cousin’s name and everyone of our family call him the later although I think it should be the former.

The switching of ረየ to የረ seems very common, but we are especially notorious about it.

iSem

Hi Fantiness:
I was stunned when I heard ባርያጋብር or ባይራጋብር and ተስፋ-ማርያም: ተስፋ-ማይራም when I was coming to Sudan, I only know that the this reversing is common in the Anseba people. I wrote an article about it here. Some of the words are so original, at least to me they were, like shiwes(trousers), Shishig (broom mekostor), awrerryie (hungry) and when I said that am “temiyye” the kid from Anseba was so stunned, and asked me if we are so poor that we have nothing to eat at home.
Someone, said that HA was not from Eri because the way she says anbesa. I also know that if you go to some areas and say “elbo” no one will understand because this word is used only in some areas for “effun” So I conjecture the discussion about እግዚኣብሄር: እዝጋቢሄር would be the same. But Sal is wondering about እምድዒ.
Question for you, how do you say Feb in Tigray like in the promise of Feb as in the founding of Woyane:
Also do you know that there is different prounciation for Amanuel in some arears in Eri and it is : Amaliel

saay7

Hey iSem:

I guess I really did miss it. I do know we talked how when a word has an “n” ሳድስ sound as middle syllable it becomes an “m” sound:::

ዛላንበሳ = ዛላምበሳ
እንቢ = እምቢ

And iSem passed a fetwa that both are right. But he didn’t explain how ኣንቱም can’t be ኣምቱም. Why? እምድዒ!

You see Saay, you make me indirectly to answer my question. That is why you are smart. Anyway,

“እዝጊዮ” is always used in the Orthodox praying like እዝጊዮ መሓረና ክርስቶስ::

“እዝጊ“ is used as swearing in the provonce of Serae specifically in the districts of “Sefe’a” and “Zayedecolom”. For example if you ask them ሓቅኻ ዲኻ? “እዝጊ’ለ” ኢሎም ይምልሱልካ:: I do not think they say it in abbreviated way, rather they use it as another synonym for “እግዚኣብሄር”::

Regards

Haile S.

Emma, Sal, Tzigereda, Fanti and all,
Do you know the tigrigna name of the animal shown on my avatar? Sal you are allowed to give the name in english.
Good night

ሰሳሓ or ጠል-ቦዱ (your avatar is so small to distinguish one from the other).

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Dr. Haile S.,

ሃገረሰብ ከምዝዓበኹ ተቓሊዐ’ንድየ long time ago, thanks to Saay.

saay7

Hey Hailat:

Guy writes a lame limerick and all of a sudden he is an expert on animals? 🙂 I will go with antelope, just so Fanti can correct me or better yet tell us an antelope story. That guy always has a great story about everything.

saay

PS: of course I reverse google imaged it but no luck. 🙂

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Saay,

At least you will get partial credit. There are so many animals collectively called antelopes that it is unlikely to go wrong with antelope.

ሰስሓ is ‘duiker’ but then again google says there are nearly two dozen family of duikers it would take a biologist to distinguish one from another.

PS:
I had a small story about how my brother caught a duiker by exhausting it running, but it wouldn’t be worth the time for those who don’t know the area. I will tell you about it someday when we are on the way to Bati.

saay7

Fanti:

You are a very generous grader:)

Bati? I once asked Eyob why does every Ethiopian singer sing about the place and he said and I quote: damn if I know: that place is nothing but rocky hills. That guy is sacriligous: get him!

While we wait for your amazing story, here’s a true story:

American-born kid: dad, how do you say deer in Tigrinya?
Dad: ሸውዓተ ቀርኑ
Kid: how about elk?
Dad: ሸውዓተ ቀርኑ
Kid: do you have raindeer?
Dad: no
Kid: but if you did…
Dad: he would be called ሸውዓተ ቀርኑ

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Saay,

Geo wise I can’t blame Eyoba, especially if he just drove through it. It is quite hilly. If you were standing in the middle of the town and looking east toward Assab, north to your left is mostly residential with very nice panoramic view of nature and not as hilly as to your right.

Except the small businesses along the main (the only) road, most businesses including the market are to the right, hilly, stony dirt, and sometimes windy. After a few hundred meters forward (east), the down grade drops so quickly that a few kilometers later you are at one end of the Afar desert at sea level or lower.

The # 1 reason why almost everyone falls in love with Bati is/was the people! The natives are generous to a fault, very friendly, and very respectful of everyone. The rest are passersby who stop by to eat, drink, have fun, be merry, and drive off. The combination is surreal. I wonder how time and the reduction of traffic caused by the closure of Assab may have changed that beautiful town.

Haile S.

Selam all,
Fanti – nice try. ሰስሓ is not duiker. Keep bringing the names. Now what is the tigrigna name of a duiker?
Sal – hehhe! that is the reason reverse google, that is the reason I chose an engraving from a book of a traveller to abyssinia during wubie. Keep going.
Emma – you are right, too small, but is characterstic. ጠለበዱ is a deer, not ሰስሓ.
Tzigereda – እንታይ ድኣ ዛ ትም?
Where is Abrehet?

Amanuel Hidrat

Hailat,

I was not equating them. I was saying, I could not distinguish them one from the other from your avatar. I hunted and ate both of them in the ghedli era.

Haile S.

Emma,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Now find the tigrigna name of a duiker. Speaking about ghedli, እዞም ዓማ በላዕቲ እንቋቑሖ:-) 🙂 :-).

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Hailat,

Isn’t Duiker a small size of antelope? If it is, then duiker=antelope = ሰስሓ

Emma,
Antelope is larger. The 2 others are small and are different. You need to find the english name for ሰስሓ and tigrigna name for duiker. Later from home, I will put the face of ሰስሓ.
Cheers

saay7

Hey Hailat:

Is it the dik dik?

I saw a picture of Fanti holding a dik dik while riding his tugtug (ቱግቱግ)

saay

Haile S.

Hey Sal,
You added another complicationvmaking more interesting. The tigragna names, I suspect may be used interchangeably for at least dikdik and duiker. ሰስሓ and dik dik look alike, but different habitats. The dik dik and the duiker have simillar habitats. I think we will need to call Jack Hanna.

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Dr. Haile S,

Unless you are thinking of ሚዳቋ or ሚዳቕ I have exhausted google for clues. All roads seem to lead to either antelope or gazelle families.

Haile S.

Fanti,
The question was name in tigrigna not amharic. ነዛ ኣምሓርኛ ናብ ትግርኛ ጠዊኻ ከተታልለኒ:-) 🙂 . You got it if this is a tigrigna in certain areas.
Back later
Best

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Dr. Haile S,

I was being extremely generous to even try ሚዳቕ or ሚዳቑ which is what I heard in some parts of Tigray, but where I am from we just call it ሚዳቋ same as in Amarigna.

Emma, I have always known ሚዳቛ being amharic. It is not in ተክአ’s dictionary. Anyway here are my answers and thoughts:
ሰስሓ shown on my avatar for now in english is Klipspringer. Lives in rocky area.
Duiker in tigrigna is ዕንሹ (sometimes people add ዘይትዓቢ). Dik dik that inhabits same bushy area may have the same tigrigna name.
It was a pleasure engaging with you guys on the subject.

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Hailat,

Thank you Hailat. Who could be better than you. Relating the name of animals ማለት እንስሳ በረኻ from tigrigna language to English most of the time is not easy to me. I am your student in that regard,

Haile S.

Thank you Emma, we are all students here. You see by nagging you with my egg-eaters, I learned something from Tzigereda and you.

saay7

Hey Professor Haile:

I stumbled into your class by accident, I sat for an exam, flunked it badly although the substitute teacher (Fanti) was generous. Tegadelti Emma and Tzigereda told us about Ghedli diet which included a tortoise. Once saw tegadelti sitting on the shell of a tortoise (home made ዱካ) while they munched on another, thereby redefining ንፀላኢ ብዕጥቁን ብረቱን. I am going to enroll to an art class just to learn to draw that image and the caption will be “Solved: The Meaning of Life.”

Not a coincidence that gobye is avenging his kin and torturing us now.

Confession: the millennial keeps Tekie Tesfay’s English-Tigrigna dictionary. Otherwise, he never saw or ate any of those creatures. ኤማን ማሕሙዳይን ate them all long before I was born.

Cheers,
Gogo

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Gogo,

Where have you been son (you sound very young)? Don’t be ውልዕ-ጥፍእ. Thank you for the explanation. It makes sense to me. Hopefully Hailat will agree. Stay with us.

Haile S.

Selam Gogo,
I haven’t checked ሚዳቛ with ‘ሜ’ in his tigrigna tigrigna dictionary which is more detailed; will do later. The others are okay for general purpose, but we can be as specific as possible as long as we can dig and find the specific names of animals. Our fore-fathers/-mothers were curious about everything in their surroundings and gave it a specific name, when it comes to animals, based on its color, sound, bevaviour, habitat etc. Saying Red Bishop = ጭሩ is okay. But we can be specific and say Red-Bishop = ዑፍ መስቀል is much better. There are animal that have been lost forever whose name exist and we don’t need to loose names while we have the animals. Let me give you an example: ድቢ= Bear, the name exists, but no one has seen bear in our region. James Bruce tried his best to solve the riddle, could’t. A french scientific mission who stayed in Abyssinia in the 1830s could not confirm its existance. At the end of their mission they brought to Paris an abyssinian delegation with them. They took them to the botanical garder (Jardin de Plante) for a visit. As soon as the abyssinian see a bear they jumped saying dbo dbo (I forgot exactly the word they said or transcribed in the book). The missiom leader got (according to him) a confirmation that bear exists in abyssinia.

Gogo

Thanks Aman and Hailat for the educating response.
On a different note, our Ethiopian friends are celebrating their 122nd anniversary of the Adwa victory. I read a tweet by Addis Standard that the Adwa victory is the first successful anti-colonial resistance in Africa. I saw many people repeating the same line and I thought of sharing a piece of an article that I am writing which seeks to trace the discursive genealogy that has eventually crowned the battle of Adwa as the pinnacle of African resistance against European colonialism. comments from Ethiopian Awatistas are welcome.

In January 1885, the Sudanese Mahdist movement, under the leadership of Muhammad Ahmad, crowned its five-year long spectacular resistance against the British and Turco-Egyptian forces by capturing Khartoum and killing General Charles G. Gordon, the British governor-general of the country. The event sent tremors around the globe and shocked the British Public. British press described the event as causing a shock “with no parallel in the experience of the present generation” (Mamdani, Saviors and Survivors: Darfur, Politics, and the War on Terror, 139) The Mahdist victory in Sudan inspired many societies under either Ottoman or Western domination. Internally, the Mahdist uprising was a turning point in the history of Sudan. It dislocated the status quo, weakened traditional structures of power, and created a ‘progressive’ political and ideological platform that superseded tribal and regional affiliations. It united both balad al bahar (riverine Sudan) and balad al Gharib (Western Sudan) for the first time. In the midst of the intensifying European colonial expansion in Africa, the Mahdist state lasted for 14 years until the British, following the Italian request to help check the Mahdist power after their defeat at the battle of Adwa in 1896, destroyed it with vengeance in 1898 erecting in its place the joint Anglo-Egyptian condominium. Despite its brief life, the Mahdiya was foundational for Sudanese nationalism.

The battle of Adwa and Khartoum share many similarities. One point of similarity is the shock to which they subjected Western confidence and sense of invincibility. They inspired other oppressed people living under Western domination. They both tackled “the problem of scale” Terence Rangers identifies as “the biggest problem in pre-colonial Africa” and created a momentum which cut across ethnic and geographical divide. Both were led by charismatic leaders who staked a claim for divine favor of one sort or another. Both battles inaugurated new eras in Ethiopia and Sudan. What’s more, the effect of both battles spilled over to both countries.

Despite their similarities, the battle of Khartoum and the battle of Adwa have been accorded different pride of place in the pantheon of anti-colonial resistance in Africa. It is claimed that Adwa is unique in the scale of disaster it inflicted on a European power and its subsequent consequence on inspiring African resistance against Western domination inside and outside Africa. For this reason, a special place is demanded for it in the shared memory of the entire African population. Adwa has been variously depicted as the “the greatest single disaster in European colonial history”; “the first revolt of the Dark Continent against domineering Europe”; and in the word of one Ethiopian scholar “the only secular episode in the whole history of Africa that has been celebrated for more than a century with unabated popular enthusiasm” (Marcus, A History of Ethiopia, 24). Adwa is not only hailed for causing the first major reversal for European colonialism but also for being “a powerful constitutive force in the rise and evolution of modern Africa.” A recent work suggests that the current predicament of ethnic politics in Africa can find its cure in the lessons of the battle of Adwa.
The battle of Khartoum does not get as much accolade as the battle of Adwa. While the first is banalized as an instance of fanatic Islamic resistance to European Christian domination, the latter is exceptionalized as the function of an anomalous African state comparable in civilization and organization to European countries. While Adwa is celebrated as an immense historical achievement, the battle of Khartoum is reduced to just being an expression of religious revivalism bereft of any emancipatory political dimension.
While Adwa and Menelik have merited the constant attention of historians, the battle of Khartoum and Muhammad Ahmad have, by comparison, garnered a meager attention. Views on Muhammad Ahmad have been of two extreme kinds: one, which depicts him as barbarian, an obese psychosis, “the Mad Mullah” given over to the dissolute pleasures of harem life. The first European writers, whose accounts set the frame within which the Mahdist movement have been studied, represented the Mahdiya as a brutal settler Arab power imposed on natives. The prejudicial representation of the Mahdi and his movement still resonates today. Contemporary writers still find it fine to refer to the “heroic depravity” of the Mahdist.

Now the question is how and why the battle of Adwa, in contradistinction to the battle of Khartoum, has come to assume the sort of mythical and unique place in the annals of anti-colonial resistance in Africa? What are the discursive trajectories and research infrastructures that have led to this differential construction?

I will argue that the difference has to do partly with different strands of Orientalist discourse that laid the narrative grid on which subsequent writings on both battles would depend. While the Mahdist were cast as ‘barbarians’ who destroyed the seed of civilization in Sudan, an alternate orientalist discourse was deployed to paint the Ethiopians as “black Caucasians” whose victory against the Italians was attributed to their unique biological feature. While, the orientalist lens saw its negation in Muslim Sudan, it saw its confirmation in Christian Ethiopia, albeit in an imperfect form. While the discourse about the Mahdist movement was couched in the ‘culture-talk’ that is commonly reverted to nowadays as an accompaniment to the “war on terror” to explain political violence in the Islamic world, the battle of Adwa was placed in the long and proud history of Ethiopia. While the battle of Khartoum was consigned to anthropology, the battle of Adwa was historicized. The relegation of the battle of Khartoum and the subsequent Mahdist experiment to a lesser degree of importance, I suspect, is partly a function of the enlightenment binary vision which strips religious movement of any worldly – social and political – significance.

Preceding Adwa, there was an enduring European fascination with Ethiopia that had produced profuse literature that rhapsodized the country. Ethiopia was not of course free of the racist orientalist discourse Europeans used to describe societies they encountered in Africa and Asia. But, there was an alternate orientalist discourse that saw its image in Ethiopia. Like the Hamitic hypothesis, a Semitic hypothesis was advanced to construct a fantastic image of Ethiopia and Ethiopians. It is on to this pre-existing ‘positive’, if sometimes fantastical, narrative structure that the battle of Adwa was superimposed. The battle became one straw out of which Western scholars spin a golden yarn. A caveat is in order, here. The argument is not that the battle of Adwa was a lesser achievement. The point is that it was not as exceptional as it has been constructed to be. The drive to exceptionalize it has its genesis in European mythical imagination of Ethiopia as a land of Prester John, and a unique Christian civilization of Semitic provenance.

Gogo

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Gogo,

This is a fascinating history. In my view this should make to the front page of this website, for it is educational in its content. I hope Ismailo and Burhan Ali will share their views to either to enrich your argument or to bring a variation of prospectives on the two historical events of resistance to colonialism. Thank you Gogo and stay with us.

Regards

saay7

Haile S:

You got some good stuff here. Consider this: the Arabic word for a (male) bear is very similar to the one for it in Tigrinya. It’s “Dib”. Now, why would Arabs have a word for bear when they have no bears? Uncle Google says “yeah, but they used to: the Syrian brown bear”. It’s extinct now in the Middle East and that’s likely what happened to it in Eritrea.

It always educational to read you Hailat.

saay

Haile S.

Hey Sal,
That is a very interesting point you brought. While running my own small paper-based investigation, I found out that Bear existed till recently, probably still does, in the atlas mountains of Morocco and Algeria, thought I didn’t pay attention to the name in arabic. Great point. Thank you.

Haile S.

Selam Gogo,

I am replying to you here on your Critical Review of the battle of Adwa that you posted earlier. I no more see it on the forum. Hopefully you have retrieved it to elevate it to the level of an article to be posted on the front pages of Awate. Your premise is interesting and provided you add the necessary references, it will make a great article that Awatawian will hopefully enjoy.
Best

Gogo

Hi While,
It ain’t me who removed the post. Probably discus is digesting it- pun intended. But thanks for the nice words.

Cheers

Amanuel Hidrat

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Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Gogo,

Open your desqus file to look at it, if it is on pending. If it is not there, like what Hailat have said, the team might have pulled it to put it in the front page. Hopefully so. I had a comment on it, it is also gone with it.

Regard

Gogo

Hey Emma,
I think the system thought is a scam. If you know the bosses outta here, amaldena!

Thank you Professor Sal for sharing your title. Well said, that is the perfect revenge of the revenant.

Tzigereda

Emma,
Oh yes, እንታይከ ዘይበላዕና ሕማቕ ብላዕ. ወዲ ዓከር combi with ዓደስ was the main dish in ከበሳ you got from ክፍሊ ስንቂ. Otherwise Ghedli depended on what the ሓፋሽ served, and most eritrean peasants were very poor…ናይ በርበረ ብጽብጽ ኣብ ጻሕሊ ወሰኽ ዘይብላ was not rare. I never liked the ሕውስዋስ we got from a village via ኳደረ, ደረቕ ቅጫ እኳ ይሓይሽ ኣይተረኽበን ድኣምበር. እንቖቖሖ ኣሎ ክበሃል ብወረ ንስምዕ ኔርና. Dont remind me the ቦጅቦጅ ኣብ መታሕት.
But there was an exeption…in those places of ሓውሲ ከተማታት where you could find ፓስታ ማካሮኒ, those days were ፈስታና.
I learned how poor ምግብና ኤርትራውያን is.
That Isaias Afwerki recommended the nation to eat half of the calories they used to ድንጽው ይብለካ.

Dear citzen
My friend is right from his perspective and that has been the case for him and me that we don’t agree. If my friend was the immigration person that decide over who go in to Ethiopia, he will definitely put saay in watch list of no fly list . But to be fair to saay he is a good human being who wishes prosperity to his people and that I think is natural. You accuse his 1998-2000 work as Ethiopian and millions of Eritreans see him as their brave man who challenged Ethiopian elites on behalf of his country and that you cannot really blame him. He has done his service where he can , you see when Ethiopians praise their so called aggressors we Eritreans praise our defenders and that is how it has been for centuries.

MS

Selam Hope
I have no protest for appearing on TN. You know, I have answered this nonsense question in the past when the same Thomas would get angry everytime I sent articles to Meskerem. I told him then to do his fight with Meskerem not with me because I cared about my messages more than where it appeared and Meskerem is among the prominent websites (Thomas may like it or not), and I was thankful to all who host my messages. As for your question, I send to any website that could publish my articles unchanged. The editing of forms and language aspects is OK, but changing the intent of the author to fit one’s editorial policy should not be done without consulting the reader.

Haile S.

Selam Mahmoud,
Just briefly: You did good to go to TN. There are many walls that need to be broken. Personally, I don’t mind you didn’t raise the sore issues now, though I heard the echo. As a good diplomat, you used the fluffy ear swab to open the door, ፈቲኽን’ዶ ንጉስ ትምርቓ ከምዝብሃል. Now going forward I hope you don’t stay mute regarding the cardinal sins being committed at home, TN needs to listen to others voices too. On your next trip, don’t do what the opposition did after going to Addis, zip on certain issues.
It probably was not your choice, but in the cartoon, it was NOT nice to add our martyrs and living legends of our struggle to that same grave. The vicious cycle of violence needs to stop.

MS

Selam Hailat
Thank brother, I will keep myself intact. I often said that there are two signposts that guide my course, the Wayanista and the PFDJista, the truth is somewhere in between. The so-called partisanship tries to get us busy battling each other. We are not communicating across isles, we are wallowing within our comfort zone. A Zambian proverb goes “If two wise men always agree, then there is no need for one of them.”
You see, we have been talking to ourselves, not to parties that have a different viewpoint. Those who have no interest in partisanship should not fear to cross the fences sectarians build to keep us separated.

blink

Dear MS
Yours is for Eritreans not for any political parties and that means you are serving your people. I find it hard for people that criticize you for serving your people while they work day in day out to serve their personal feelings by dividing Eritreans . The only reason you have to continue as you always do must be the love of your people. There is no logic to make some patrician people happy over your life time history. What I really hope you will continue to do is as always give us more MAhamed Saleh .

Thomas

Hi Haile S.

I do not know you but I don’t like the taste of your comment. Here I said it. You need to update yourself, to me you are still the same “hageres-seb” you were back in your village. Change is good, try it.

Nitricc

Hi Thomas; one of the greatest sign of smallness is trying to attack the great people. Trust me, you are the stupidest person on this forum but you talking down about Haile? WTF.

Haile S.

Dear Thomas,
You don’t need to know me. You have absolute right not to like my comments. What you don’t have right for is to insult people.

Nitricc

Mahmuday; It is all on you. I am really disappointed by all this. Who is Thomas? you waste all your time and effort on such useless person. The guy will do and say anything to get some attention and you are falling right in his stupid game. Don’t forget he goes to Africa to get attention, he is that kind desperate and hopeless. So what your article showed up in TN? so what your article showed up in Asmarino, it doesn’t matter! you can send your article to Tigray-online if you wish too. I don’t get it? This guy named Thomas is nobody and jobless, look at his posts, minimum edits it four to five times. who does that? who gets that kind of time? Come-on my man you are way better than responding to the likes of Thomases. NO, Mahmuday!

MS

Sema General Nit
how about responding to iSem? I hope you will hope some mercy on him.

Nitricc

Mahmuday; Right after I finished school, training, there was anther assignment we had to complete. Our superiors used to send us to random funerals. once we attend any particular funeral we present the life that person, his/ her accomplishments, their service to their country, their education level and so-on. There were some people their story their accomplishment and their dedication to make world better was simply amazing and we are eager and can’t stop speaking about those people. On the other hand there were some people they just passed by. there is nothing. they were breathing yesterday and they stop breathing today. Just empty. So when the time came to a presentation about those kind of people, we just look at each other and we say nothing. by the way that was the moral of the story. They are trying to point it out that one day will die and what is going to be your story?
Now, you are asking what I will say about ISem and his dying TPLF . Well, if there was something to say, I would but unfortunately, just like the funeral of nothing, there is no much to say.

Kokhob Selam

Dear Nitriccay,

What do you mean by that?” RIP” Ha ha ha

I also up-voted at the above… seemingly nonsense…

KS,,,

iSem

Nitric: When you go to the funeral of Semere Andom TPLF for your next promotion training, you can read the following eulogy
I can say this about Isem and the dying TPLF .

TPLF: they set out to remove a century old destitution of their people in 1975 and after 15 years, they liberated their land and in 27 years, they reversed the fortunes of their people and destroyed some slums that was used to sell suwa and they built university in Adigrat, in Mekele (MIT) and Aksum and when they celebrated their 40th year, they gave tributes to their founding fathers. During the process they made lots of blunders but they never killed their Menkae and their g-15 and today they got old and like any living thing and humans they depart this world without perfection but with much to show for, they transformed the feudal society to a promising one, but they had their demons

Isem; semere Andom had real father and mother and siblings, his family was not rich but he grew up surrounded by love and huddle of his parents, uncles and aunts and he as young boy visited the village of his forefathers, places far removed from GHETOS and FOSTERS homes. He knows the cities and the country side. He was from the highlands but he knows his country, Eritrea from coast to coast and speaks fluently 3 of its languages, not to mention English. He immigrated to Sudan as underage boy, but undaunted by the challenges he put himself through school and with only one-year scholarship he came to Canada and once again he meadowed through college.
He is well travelled through Europe China and South Korea and Brazil.
And in his use he was a student activist with radical views, at 18 he debated constitution, future higher education in Eri and even wrote one play and a one fiction and one a few poems, that were sang by one of Eritrea’s future singers in the red flower then. And today we celebrate his life

Fanti Ghana

Selam iSem,

TPLF: My only regret is not lived long enough to see the PFDJ schooled and Sawa graguate Gimbot-7 sharing power with OLF ruling Ethiopia Democratically.

Couldn’t resist!

iSem

Hi yoru Fantiness:
Well, this can happen it is not a pipe dream. We have a precedent: Molla Asghedom:-)
Imagine this scenario:
Next week Ethiopia elects an Oromo PM and the new Oromo PM activates the back channels or creates a new one and we have OLF coming home from the Cold.
Few years later, a EPRDF Amhara becomes PM when the post becomes available and he repeates the recipe and G7 come home
Mdri ms messeye seb nabsebu zbie nab gerebu say the wise
I, too cannot resist:-)

blink

Dear Fanti
I thought these scientists were in Ethiopia at 4 kilo building, what they found out was that TPLF were actually not like the mole rats , to prove to their findings;they come face to face with the Amhara and Oromo activist and that was all they could possibly go with their initial research. The project could not continue for the obvious reasons. If you need farther information pls contact Jawar , I heard he has hard copy. Oh PFDJ , ask saay , he is the contact person for the scientists , last time he was saying that the project needs more money with more PHD students ,very hard to get both at the same time.

Nitricc

Semere; I am very impressed. You went to brazil? WOW,WOW,WOW. I am speechless! and China? WOWWWW. I don’t know what to say? WOW!

iSem

Nitricc:
you should be impressed for real because there is life and places outside the hood and abusive forster homes

Nitricc

SEMERE; I don’t think you understand exactly how this world is moving and changing. You just exposed yourself how dumbass you are. You don’t get it do you? OMG! You went to Brazil, right? You are even dumber than I thought. By the way what is ” forster homes” I know you were in China, is Chinese? hahahaha, what an idiot.

Thomas

Hi iSem,

I think you and I know on how to deal with this Oromo (Nitricc) guy. That is to never be nice to him regardless how hard he tries to look nice to us. You know he came from a broken home so nothing we do is good enough for him. He is not worth our time, but let’s keep telling him just that. We will do business with him like we always do:)

Oh, and now I know MIT has added a campus in Mekele? If you do not comprehend, utilize youር menፊeeትleር to and at pump yo water.

V2ueces,

ጻጸ

Thomas

Hi Nitricc,

Sorry from now on, I only respond to Eritreans who understand other Eritreans. Oromos, Ethiopian issues is left for the rest of Ethiopians or Oromos like yourself. There is no mutual inclusiveness whatsoever (Eritreans are fighting for a change of leadership and installing law in Eritrea). It is not my business whatever you Ethiopians do with your own business.

saay7

Selamat Citizen:

You wrote a compact summation as compelling as the closing arguments of a prosecutor. The defense wishes to be recognized to address the court:

1. Things that scare Saay more than Weyane include the Brazilian Wandering Spider, the water tank at Asmara Albergos, Alzheimer’s disease and ቀይ ባህራችን politicians;

2. Weyane couldn’t outsmart PFDJ; but Weyane can (and does) outsmart the rump of PFDJ; ie: Isaias and his yes-men. A stale organization (TPLF) can always outsmart a senile organization (PFDJ.). But lacking new blood, both are always surprised by everyday stuff like: you can’t rule forever (TPLF); people don’t want to live under cruel and corrupt authoritarianism (Isaias and his Amen Corner.)

3. The defense would like to see the article mentioned if (and I am sorry for quoting Donald Trump Jr now) “if it is what you say!” If, on the other hand, it’s not or if the article uses expressions idioms cliches or other cringe-inducers, please send it to iSem.

4. The claim that the defendant is putting Ethiopia in danger is a reckless statement that seriously hampers his travel arrangements. Let’s say he has to transit in, say, Burundi and they are checking to see if the defense is in Ethiopia’s list of national security threats? He could get endagachewed. And what was that about Ethiopian Muslims and Somali uniforms? Misquoting whom when?

5. The defendant would like it known that he wishes for PFDJ (well, 100 of them) to be vaporized (painlessly.) Today. They are bad news for Eritrea, a strange combination of cruel, stupid and deaf. I feel about Weyane same way about the parties of Omar Al Bashir and Musevini: they should let others govern. But I don’t care about Uganda and Sudan as much as Ethiopia: that’s the only difference. Ok a bit more because of that deportation thing. I dislike Egypt’s Sisi but he was recently asked about why Rgypt allows refugees from anywhere to enter the country and the answer he gave was soooooo good now… well, I still don’t feel about him the way Eyob and Amde feel about Lemma (man crash); but I respect him a lot, lot, lot more. So, yeah, there was that.

The defense rests.

Saay

woldeab

Classic Saay,
Waiting for Hamilton Burger to get up and say, “ your honor, it is immaterial, irrelevant and inconsequential “.
It has been a good morning already!!

iSem

Hi Alex:
I do not know about you but they did not lose support of Eri people, if they did they did due to their disunity/dissarray. Eri are flocking to Ethio so how can they be hypocrite, that is what am saying
now tell me,why is it wrong to be in Ethiopia
the reason PFDJ is raising hell for the opp to be in Addis is cus it is the right thing , if it was wrong thing they will all be hush

iSem

Hi hope:
What i am saying is the opposition, or as SGJ said, the idea, the concept of opposition that we belong to are in a more moral high ground that the PFDJ supportes and their despot to listen to their lectures, they are not qualified cus of what i said,of their history. Yea we won, but the price was made heavier because of that, so please
I can give u many positive things about the opp, but one is stark
they Opposed PFDJ, for that they cannot even visit their country to be buried, the rest of their positives are plenty but they pale against this
are they flawless, No away, bu

Saleh Johar

Hope,
An opposition is an idea followed by possible actions to fight injustice. Simply because it doesn’t achieve its goal doesn’t make it wrong. It may make it inept. And that is not a crime.

But I believe the opposition has to deal with Ethiopian lack of clarity, the unjust PFDJ, and some of our own who waste so much energy vilifying and hindering it—many folds more than they fight the real culprit at home. Unfortunately, you are one of them.

Thomas

Hi Hope,

All I can tell you tesfay/tesfom is you got or they give you a wrong name. You have been talking about external forces forever, but you still are the hopeless person I guessed from the outset.

Thomas

Dear Awatistas,

I would like to congratulate Mahmud Saleh for his article (attacking the eritrean oppositions in Ethiopia) has been picked up by the tesfanewsdotnet. It is amazing that Mahmud does not think that the Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia are real oppositions. The so-called “Eritrean Oppositions” is the words used by our friend Mahmud Saleh to describe the Eritrean opposition groups who are residing in Ethiopia. The subtitle quoted from Mahmud is “”What does the fututure hold for the so-called “Eritrean Opposition” in the face of the current reality and crisis in Ethiopia” I have said enough about the stand of Mahmud Saleh. For me, Mahmud is fighting more as a supporter of the dictatorial regime than fighting against this group. The world of Eritrea is very confusing place. Am I the only one who is confused by this?

iSem

Hi Thomas:
Thank for alerting us regarding this. I would never had known about it.
So, my quick skimming of MS article tells me that he dumps on the Ethnic federalism, he calls EPRDF TPLF. While we know that EF worked so far and Ethio had a non TPLF PM and probably its next PM will be non-Tig.
it is an other thing to criticized the extra-judicial action by TPLF as he should, but TPLF showed change, and he admits that EPRDF (TPLF) was pressured to release prisoners, that is in tts self is change, pressured, who said ERDF did that from the goodness of their heart. If EPLF would be pressured to release the Ela-Ero prisoner, I would write in Tesfanews in praises s of IA
NRA one day will be pressured to disban assulat rifles, Trump is pressured to disagree with NRA, all good things
“The Eritrean so called opposition ” are so right to be stationed in Ethiopia they should be unapologetic

blink

Dear Thomas
The past 26 years weyane destroyed Eritrean opposition at their will with the help of cowards and sale out people and it is not a big secret that any one from weyane land is not acceptable for any Eritrean. They are doomed and destroyed.
There are no Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia but there are simply a weyane cadre guys running the show . Netsereab Asmelash was in Saudi with his two kids and weyane shipped him to Mekele to be the leader of Eritrea after 3rd offensive of weyane and now he is gone and sick . People like him can’t be called Eritrean opposition for real . People who negotiate with Arena about Asseb can’t be opposition rather than criminals at best. MS article was taken from erigazzeta by tesfa not by his own will , I don’t believe he send to tesfa news either . What ever he does he has a good audience better than the idiots in Mekele . What ever you think about him is not necessary and it doesn’t matter what you guys think about him. Your take about MS has no value what so ever .

Thomas

Hi Blink,

The problem is you supporters seem to think we forget things that easy. Before the Eritrean opposition went to Ethiopia, your masters were there sleeping with people you seem to claim now your enemies. It was ok with you back then, but it is not ok when your masters change the other Ethiopians that is the Amhara/oromo Ethiopians such as G7 and others now sleeping with your masters. So, it is the enemies from the inside of Eritrea who are destroying Eritrea and her people. I have never heard of any opposition killing or arresting innocent Eritreans. I will never understand you guys.

iSem

Thomas:
U can also tell Blink when he is not blinking, when his thinking is not flitting that the concept of conspiring with foreign power to destroy Eri and its struggle was invented in Sahel bye PFDJ.
The opp is not created equal but the basic cocept to launch the struggle from Ethiopia is as sacred as launching it in Barak, Egpyt and Sudan because WelWel, Awate and M. Adem could not do it in Asmara. Hello!, My German Shephered nodded to me when I told him that loud thinking it was blink:-)

Nitricc

Hi Semere; here is the funny sign I saw today in Ethiopia fresh demonstration. Just for you lol. can you decode this.. Thomas to dumb, I ask you

What is burning tires supposed to mean? I understand you cannot relate to any Eritrean as such all you have to do is dump Ethiopian related stuff here and expect Eritreans to pay attention to such. You are oromo and talk about such stuff with your kinds. It is not really your fault because all your parents thought is to be hateful to others. You are their breed and what can I say you will always stay ignorant but emotional. Stupid Hagereseb, you will never learn.

Nitricc

Hi Thomas; there was a reason I didn’t ask you but since you ask, I know your eyes are at 10% due age but can you locate the picture that is placed on the top of the tier? what does horn symbolizes? I know you are in a bad this days but don’t worry TPLF is going no where. you and your wife will be just fine. no worries.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
Tplf and it’s supporters tried so hard with thier low life brain to make the fight between eritrea and the horn region, and between amharic speakers ethiopians and the rest of ethiopians but the fight turn out to be between them(tplf and supporters) and the horn region. What a losers

Nitricc

Hi Teddy, do you know why he labeling me as Oromo? because I stood with people of Oromo when they were massacred by the TPLF army. I do that because I stand for justice but this stupid and dumb Thomas, he will tell you that he is for justice but he kisses TPLF behind 24-7. He is too stupid to understand justice is just that justice. Not only he never said a word when the people of Amara and Oromo were getting killed but he sided with his wife’s view. Don’t forget you are dealing with a person who goes all the way to Africa to find a wife. How do you not find one Fisto in here in the US you got to go all the way. What a stupid creature.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
I know , i know what u mean but don’t forget the” heart”, for sure he is who he is.

blink

Dear Thomas
Are you suggesting Oromo families teach their children to hate Tegaru and Somalians ? Is that what you mean? Oromo are 40% of Ethiopians and from now on you and people like has to get used to kneel down to get any passage to your hometown.

Thomas

Hi iSem,

People like Blink are the reason for where we are now. They have the disease called Dementia. They think everyone is affected by the disease they have. You know like a crazy or drunk person thinks everyone around is drunk:)

blink

Dear Isem
You are too tired and at the last hour to see the game . Too late my friend. Ethiopian based opposition are dead . Netsereab Asmelash is suffering from hallucinations and bad dreams about his weyane given four wheel drive. You are not in any of this , you are just an empty gallon falling down the hillside. Just sing your Canadian theme. Awate , ELF , EPLF , or any Eritrean force that opposed Ethiopian leaders were riding on Eritreans heart and soul , you and Thomas are just the dead soul of a defeated weyane goons.

iSem

Blink:
no am not tired, am starting. I do not know this guy u keep throwing his name, but regardless he is better than you. I have to read MS article, but for starrs he graced tesfanews that is bad. I do not consider PFDJ and IA adversaries, they are enemies and I know they will not have status in Eri, they will have Ela-Ero in their name, like the prison as a remind.
IA will not have a monument in Eri, if he builds it , it will be destroy and symbolically put in Ela-Ero.
got it?

blink

Dear isem
Yes Issaias will not have any of it , at least that is where I agree with you but I was right that you are too late to the game played in Ethiopia, you still didn’t know who the guy is . You see Issaias will be on the Justice court and at that time we never know how f he is dead or alive, what I know for sure is no one is going to die for Ethiopian based weyane goons. They are defeated and destroyed.

MS article I believe was first in Erigazzeta and I believe Tesfanews took it with out asking permission from MS . That is my understanding, no read the article and challenge him if you disagree unless it would be un wedi Andom to go on ranting because Thomas said so .

iSem

blink
My first ever article in awate was calling their amoeboid division. And that is 15 years ago. So, i agree I do not keep track of their daily mushrooming.
I am talking about the idea to be in Ethiopia is right, am not debating their screw ups or their tank rides(which is a lie)
so do not pivot their performance is a different matter
MS tile was Ei opp and ethio fast changing politics
but he only devoted two lines for Eri opp. Id tesa stole, MS must keep them accountable by exposing it, stealing is their skill

blink

Dear Isem
I know you wrote about them but do you think it is wise to keep demonstrating failure after failure is a reason to believe these people are to be appreciated. Millions oppose the dictator and I never said we all must agree on all directions about it but how long is too long to say enough . The people you are praising have been destroying Eritrean opposition for a very minor things , why ? Why couldn’t these people sit in Djibouti or Kenya or Yemen and minimize their differences for the sake of young men dying in the sea ? These you keep praising has no vein for Eritreans emotions, they keep their door only one way and decaying every thing that goes in . I believe these people who conspire to stay in leadership by colluding with weyane are equally to blame. Weyane has been selective on their choices about Eritrean issues and yet our Ethiopian based opposition has been flexible to weyane orders . You can say we are unlucky to have them and Issaias but you can not say they deserve your praise. If not for these idiots we would have been talking about constitutional amendments for ten times in Asmara. Issaias could have been history by now but thanks to people like Mr. Kornelios Osman’s devious relationships with weyane, we are up to 35 groups . The easiest thing about Eritreans is to forum an opposition groups of five.

iSem

Blink:
the fact that they are dysfunctional and the K Osman Saga is more telling about our future. I am not saying succeed, I am talking about the idea to be in Ethiopia is right to fight PFDJ, do u agree or should the opp gone to Yemen? which by the way Eri wen there they were fighting HS

blink

Dear Thomas
Your problem did not seem to start from your shortcomings, it is like a cat fish market somewhere in Ivory Coast. Look I still wonder if you guys think are taking yourself as opposition, you are full of praise for yourself and that is a wrong prescription for you . I believe MS is the real Eritrean opposition with credibility than you and Isem who go shopping for weyane list. Get over it . How I oppose the dictator do matter to Eritreans while your is a salad to weyane.

MS

Selam Thomas
Thanks for elevating me to public enemy number one. I want to say the following:
1. I did not send my article to TN simply because I don’t like editing out things they don’t like or editing in things they like. Eg. They placed the Opposition within quotation mark, they also added their own question: what does the future hold for the so-called Eritrean ‘opposition’ in the face of the current political reality and crisis in Ethiopia? This is not mine. They did similar editing with my article in the past…..I made my protest known. I have no objection to their decision for publishing it but I ask for integrity. What else Thomas the greatista?
2. I don’t subscribe to any damn camp/organization…I see no benefit in boxing myself into any ghostly and wacko formations, be it PFDJ or the opposition. I can live on my own blood, and still exist as an independent being. Please take all the accolades and goodies you could collect for “defending” the opposition.
3. Please, ከይመሰየ ዝነቀወ ዝብኢ ኮይኑ ነገራትኩም:) I don’t know if I’m supporting the ‘dictatorial regime” but one thing is clear, the ideas and the behavior you and people like you hold are not enviable. Eritreans should not allow another round of crisis. They should be able to move from the current situation to a better one.
ንደሞክራስያ ንቃለስ እንዳበልካስ ንሰባት “ወይከ ተንከስ” ክትብል? እሞ ከኣ ኣብ ዓዲ ነጻነት እንዳነበርኩስ ናጽነተይ ንእንዳ ደቂሕድርትና ከረክብ? ወይ ጋዶ!!!

iSem

Hi MS:
I believe you when you said you did not send to TN. You also said that you protested it. TN is PFDJ, Yemane M backed and I am not sure about the Tesfa in its name, but the it is no News that PFDJ is an expert in stealing things and they did steal yours and then massaged it to look you wrote it that way.

Although, the Eri opposition was the first line in the heading, your article was devoted to the TPLF, their stagnation, fair enough, but why juxtaposed the Eri opp in this article while the article had nothing to say about the Eri opp, except one line at the end and one line at the heading Even if it was published here with the same title and same one line about the opposition, I think the reaction would be the same, So I do not think Thomas said “tnekess aytbel”, meaning do not move “entebehhh”, oh tugushetetey, my bad, that is the oppos term, I mean abzelekayooooooo kidd”:-)
We have been here before and your thesis intimated in the last line is, if TPLF is not for change, why a changing seeking Eri opp is with the TPLF.
Ok, in the surface this looks good, but it is not: The Eri opp are not there to democratize Ethiopia they are there to democratize Eri and only PFDJ can tell a host country how to run their affairs, i am not even counting that TPLF is infinitely better that PFDJ, I do not want to list the change TPLF made but just one tiny, microscopic change, to boot, they have not murdered their G-15, they did not let their Hiale Dirue die in prisons with blindness and diabetics The Ethiopian people are not satisfied by that and they want change, Excellent.
Also, you could have written an expose tof the failings of the Eri and their failing and that they have nothing to show for in the last 15 years and that would have made a dent in our thinking, but now, you have Juxtaposed it in TPLF and that is telling and not accidental, that is the issue, not criticizing the oppo, but in your comment to Thomas, you made it sound that it was about the stifling of freedom by the oppos.

Selamatka

MS

Ahlan iSem
More to come in parts two and three, and I’m sure you will get your seif out and shinning, and wedi-saleh is going to say “let the fight begin!” You know I’m not the darling of the political opposition. In the first part, you read the same stuff I have been saying about Wayane, Now, you will read the same stuff I’ve been saying about these organizations. I will smack the spoiled rat, there is no functioning clay oven (mogogo) I should be aware not to break. If that makes me PFDJite, then, all along, have been one. No change. You can’t expect “zbed/zbdet” from milk that has been churning for the last 20 years. I will articulate why the current political opposition, in its current configuration and mindset, could not be an alternative that Eritreans settle for. It needs to change before talking about changing Eritrea; it needs to come to an understanding what CHANGE to each of its factions means ; it has to develop a separate identity (needs to re-invent itself/back to Hafash hzbi Ertra…currently, the situation is as murky as it has ever been; has no real contacts with the people (has become clubs of certain individuals and their funders)- individual bloggers and activists have more real contacts and presence with and in the people; most of the organizations are fake and hollow with no operational capacity and capabilities…Well, let me stop here. If we are really for change we have to be real in appraising the situation. The last thing I want to say, ya abu Noah, if the opposition is that strong, don’t fear my criticism. I’have no organization nor an army of activists (although in theory, i could have announced now, at this moment, the formation of “Mahmuday hzbawi demokrasiawi gnbar Ertra” and keep reeling fabricated news about my hagerawi activities. When your presence is virtual, that is what happens Semere, your existence does not need the real support of the people, you can exaggerate, expand and shrink your size at will because nobody knows it; nobody knows your internal and external activities. You keep bashing EPLF (thanks, a lot) but if you asked Eritreans in remote parts of Eritrea in the seventies and eighties, they would tell you who the leaders were, what the organization stood for, what activities it was engaged in, even those far away from it under the belly of the enemy and in diaspora. There were a clear mission and an organization that was true to its accomplishment. The same was true with ELF (may both RIP!!) Allahuma Amein.
If you need a tool, you buy a tool that fits the function. If a tool does not fit the function either you return it or you remold it to fit the function. However, if your intent is for collection, then you shine it and place it where guests could see it. Political organizations are tools for accomplishing a political end. Now, do either of the above with them. It is obvious they are dysfunctional.
Regards.

Kokhob Selam

Dear Mahmuday,

Why, so narrow minded? weren’t you agree to see after the future,,,and not to go see back?

Ok abu Bduhho
I agree they are dysfunctional, so write and enlighten us about their dysfunction, expand on their dysfunction and if you can while at it propose how remedy, maybe one of the remedies be le us first destroy the opp, then turn our attention to PFDJ. People were trying and experimenting with several things, nothing came out if it and I think if they did that inside Eri we would have better country. But they cannot
But you do not write about their dysfunction and when u do it is conflated with WOYANE/Ethio/TPLF, the Eri opposition HAD nothing in common with TPLF except tocaation, the PFDJ has a lot in common with TPLF except location
my seif is in “qemdihi” cus I do not want Sal to immigrate to Nefasit 😉

MS

Selam iSem
Tigre speakers say “sebr wdie, la’asbera mayo chera/xera” , you know the meaning, for those who don’t speak Tigrayet, it translates to “Be patient, he who acted patiently drank cleared water [when muddy water settled].”
So, the next parts are going to be even worse. The reason why I don’t send it to AWate.com is simple. Most Awate.com readers probably know my views on the opposition, I am going to say the same thing I have been saying for the past 4 years, the only difference is that this time it will be articulated in article forms. Semere, we let the bratty rat pass through for so long lest we broke the clay oven (mogog), the oven is not working. Why should we care for that fat rat? I don’t. Those who see some use in keeping silence could do so. The opposition, PFDJ, Eritrea, etc., affect our lives equally. We have a stake in getting the situation in Eritrea transition to a better one. That is the only interest of responsible citizens. Organizations are not an end unto themselves, they are meant to be a vehicle for accomplishing something. If the vehicle is broken, take it to the garage, if it could not be fixed call a wrecking company.

iSem

Hi MS:
First i prefer the other Tigrayit proverb: shaffig mayit/ewur wold;-), as if he is making it himself: he who is in hast when making babies begets stillborn/blind child 🙂 (translation little spiced for MS’s taste):-)
Now here are my points, borrowed from Hope’s style of writing
I have no issue where you post it, but sometimes meduim is the message and TN will edit you, so that makes no sense, they will never publish ur PFDJ critical views, if there is no that part then article is not balanced, PFDJ can criticized the opp, so ?
second you keep bringing mogogo, stop it, we love our mogogo, I maybe de-romantic, but I am a Mogogo romantic, Eritreans are mogogo romantics;-)
I have zero problem with tearing down the opp, but not the idea itself and their being in addiss, their so it does not get worse if u do criticize them in their failing, nor will SGJ no will Emma nor Thomas. So no deflection, please
the Opp is not untouchable and their association with Ethiopia is valid
Long time ago, before u came to awate, I wrote about the dysfucction of the opp, they were not even this dysfunctional or this many.
The difficult debate we had here was not about why u or other criticized the opp, it was surrounding why they held their meeting in addis, or the fiction that they rode on TPLF tanks that they are sellout undertones or my assertions that there is nothing wrong that they are getting help from TPLF even if TPLF is not saint, TPLF is better than PFDJ or whatever help they are getting from TPLF/woyane is ‘halal’ not “haram” and the hypocrasy that it cannot be haram now when it was halal.
But go criticize away the opp

MS

Ahlan iSem
Mogogo Romantic, that’s a beautiful expression. But what can I do? You, the Tigrigna speaker made up this proverb, not me, weriduni. Deal with it.

Berhe Y

Dear MS, Haile S., iSem and all,

I was not going to say anything on this topic, because iSem is going to say it better than I could ever have.

Today I read sactism long article about Era Ero. I encourage everyone to read and if possible it needs to translated. It’s so horrifying to believe that, Eritreans can do to their own brothers. The only close example that I can think about, the way these veterans and journalists are tortured to death is what you know or heard in the concentration camps.

I urge you to think what you said when you read the article and be the judge yourself.

You know that, you can criticize the opposition day in and day out all you want. In your article, if I am not mistaken you are asking them to make a decision and choose sides in the current Ethiopian political issue. You are basically asking them, to be with the oppressed people instead of the ruling class and make their decision. For all practical terms, I don’t think it’s easy to make that decision and even if they do it would make any difference. They are guests of the Ethiopian government, and what ever happens in Ethiopia, I hope they remain so. In other words, and you know this, they do not have much choice if they want to continue to operate in Ethiopia.

But the other point that I want to focus is, the reason they have become weak and dysfunctional is because, most of us, including me, of our selfishness that we do NOT want to sacrifice our lively hood and our families and join them.

But most importantly they did NOT choose to go and operate in Ethiopia but its imposed on them and they are not able to do it fr their own countries.

Mahmoud, what have the opposition done to you and to ERITREAN people that you equate them with PFDJ?

The only people they harmed is themselves and their families.

You said that to me many times that, when I said the opposition I didn’t have you in mind. I know that and I am not part of any opposition. But when I think about the oppsition, i think people like Ahmed Naser, Seyoum Harestay, who have their lives for librations of us and their were condemned to die in exile seeking freedom of their people that they never get to see. How can we blame these people? What harm have they done to us? And how can we compare with PFDJ who deprive people to die a slow painful death. Why wouldn’t he give them quick death.

I think you seriesly need to apologize to them and their families. If you can’t do that, I invite you to call anyone that you can find in your city and have a one to one, heart to heart discussion. I can tell you, you will be pleasantly surprised and you will have a lot more in common with them.

Berhe

MS

Selam BeheY
Honestly, it has become too repetitive answering such morally charged emotional appeals. What has Ela-Ero got to do with my current article? Can’t we take it on its own? You imply as if I have not said a thing about Ela-Ero and PFDJ; worse, you imply as if I’m not aware of the situation. That’s fine BeheY. I will say what I have got to say and I take responsibility for it. It has become too difficult to carry on conversations without bringing in moral comparisons and equivalencies. If I criticize Wayane, people insist I say something about PFDJ, if I say something about the opposition, the same happens. The reverse though does not happen. The topic is now the opposition. I have cursed PFDJ for years and I don’t have to list the exhibits. I’m worn out on this subject. You bring Ahmed Nasser and Harrastay. Well, I’m not able to visit my country my friend, I was not able to attend to my dying father; there are also The Adhanoms, Andebrahans, Asefaws, Alkeysis…who could not visit their country, unless you put them on the PFDJ camp. So, let’s stop this type of emotive language.
What hurts me most is that people who have denigrated Eritrean identity, who bashed our revolution, defended Ethiopian atrocities and downplayed Eritrean sacrifices are protected and even encouraged to thrive in this forum while people who want to give constructive impetus to the progress of our collective drive for the betterment of Eritrea are demonized. That’s the painful experience I have had in this forum, and I’m done with it.

blink

Dear MS
Forget these little cry babies of weyane goons, don’t feel that way , I can say confidently that you inspire many many people infact many times the number of these small brats. You and some people like you are the reason we come here to this forum not to see weyane sympathizers and our founding fathers bashers. The time will come where great people separate from cry babies.

iSem

hi Blink:
Please do not meddle, MS can handle the heat from the. “TPLF goons”. You have no clue of what we are discussing, here. I will tell u this about MS: he had very heated, long debates with Hayat Adem that bordered on insults, But he told me that I love Hayat, “she sharpens you” that is telling about him.
To be fair the issue of Addis opp has not been framed well, I tried to do that in my response to an other “TPLF goons” BY.

blink

Dear Isem
I am just telling him that there are also people who look up to him , i in no way try to support or meddle between MS and What ever their name are . I was voicing my understanding. You know I may disagree with you in few points but I have any negative personal thoughts about you and I still love your presence despite your call of the weyane military help. Stay cool isem .

iSem

Dear blink:
There are people who look up to him, that goes without saying. we all look up to tegadaltiy and I as a critic of EPLF, I delineate it, when I say the butches of Sahel, MS know who I am referring to that is why he did not address it. it does not include him, it does not include the majority of EPLF, but the mafiaso among them.
You may not know this MS is a friend, we have a lot in common and he never called me a TPLF goon. I drove him crazy when I attacked one of his best friends, who is till in Eri, but not a PFDJ. So the debates are more nuanced. So stay out of this TPLF goons insulting. I am looking forward to his article and I may respond it.
Actually in my response to BY I framed the debate so we can have common understanding what ails the opposition and the need to appreciate their plight for being in Ethiopia, the onus is on PFDJ, not on the opp. But as MS said, there are the gefel mefel. I think u agree that Eritreans are suffering unlike any time before (please correct if am wrong on my assumption that u agree) and the perennial and existential enemy that is inflicting this suffering not only abandoning its fiduciary but by being part of the crime is PFDJ. Not TPLF, Not opp, not CIA , not the G-15. the the war of 1991 and the war for ghedli, not even dergi or HS and not even God
Still, even now, after all this damage, PFDJ has the power to change that, the onus is on them. Every body’s hands are as clean as that of Pontious Pilate

blink

Dear isem
You don’t need to campaign for your friendship with MS , it is not my concern nor that I care . I have zero interest who knows about who , what matters is what we say here about Eritrea that’s all. In this forum there is no one that concerns me personally , may be their health and that’s natural.

Now , if we are looking at Eritreans suffering and solutions , I have never expected solution from PFDJ because I know they will not offer one but these who campaign for Eritreans safety and getting fat by that then I have right to criticize or shame them . What I am saying is that there are people who made a living by our suffering acting as saviors , that’s is crime of the highest standard.

iSem

Hi blink
am just saying that do not act as an invited reinforcement (zeray) by telling him that we, Thomas, BY and me and Emma and others who have different view are TPLF goons, u are the one sucking up to him. Is it clear now

blink

Dear isem
Come on , why are you acting weird? Didn’t you warm Thomas first comment about the article? And my reply was just to tell, people have different views about his article opposite to what Tommy said , no more no less. MS doesn’t need the support of any one for any matter about Eritrea. If it was up to me to be as reinforcements or whatever it’s kind, I would Not even comment a thing. Now what is the thing that makes you itchy about the Term weyane goons ? Look if someone admire past weyane history and degrade ELF or EPLF history then he is a weyane goon, if he blindly support weyane crime over all Ethiopians and still claiming as a justice seeker, I call such people weyane goons . All the names you mentioned are just asking for ignominious journal about themselves. I have been reading their comments and connecting each of them and I find out that they have a villainous behaviour in their wishful thinking. I think that is enough to call them goons , by the way don’t mix names , in this thread Amanuel Hidrat is out of the equation, he is watching Foro hallucinations.

Nitricc

Hi Blink; how dare you call semere and his goons, TPLF goons? Don’t you know semeret, the all time hero, traveled to Brazil and China hahahahahahha, lol WOW, please stop wasting your time with a bunch dumbasses. You are trying to reason with two dumbs TPLF goons, one who went to Africa to find a wife and the other his greatest accomplishment is visiting Brazil, probably to find a wife lol. Wow. Don’t waste your time. they are losers in real life.

blink

Dear Nitricc
Isem is at least nice even though he is trying to defend some yegg people who are being rejected by many due to their constant issues with reprobatable behaviour. Sad but true . What can I say ?

Nitricc

Hi Blink; There is once decency this two goons have no idea with. When people do what you didn’t and can’t do, you are obligated to respect those people. We know Semere fled the country like a little girl hiding his tail between his lags l when people like Mahmuday were charging toward the fire to answer the call. in what logic and fairness is people like the semere cowards to talk smack? Forget Thomas, when you go to Africa to find a woman this should tell you everything about this guy. He has no right to talk smack to anyone, I mean anyone. You talk about the definition of losers, you get double, you get Semere and Thomas.

Dear Berhe
Yes because the fall of PFDJ is certain and with that the fall of weyane goons comes naturally because these people can’t exist with out PFDJ. We shall see who hold the key in transition period.

Berhe Y

Hi blink,

You are a liar. weather weyane rises or falls, its fir the Ethiopian people and let them decide.

Hangol Derho, why would an Eritrean oppose to the PFDJ really cares what happens in Russia?

When PFDJ is gone, Eritrea is free, why would any ERITREAN have any business to stay in Ethiopia and become opposition.

DeHan, Abti Hagos yeraKbena.

But I feel sorry for you, and your PFDJ, you will be running for your lives.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
Don’t flare up with too much pain on your back , sit tight . Read my comment carefully because I only said the fall of weyane goons not the fall of weyane,You see the difference sir. Second what’s the difference between the brain of chicken and a blind weyane supporter? Don’t you understand I am not having your dullard insults. Many times you try to act old and great but you failed to impress me with your nincompoop take on me.

Berhe Y

Hi blink,

Now you are giving up on the fall of weyane. They are always ahead of you, PFDJ lots.

What happened to the slogan “Game Over”.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
How much is the probability that you are acting like deaf mute ?? Seriously Berhe the weyanay goon.
Instead of saying sorry still you wanted to on hunting, I have told you many times that weyane majority power in Ethiopia has been evaporating at a speed you and your friends can’t even imagine. Listen we argued about PFDJ and weyane goons and still you wanted to argue about we yank . Listen you smart one , if you don’t understand full stop you will have hard time checking your clock in the morning. When the argument didn’t go well you go on and on. My question is still the same , did you understand the difference between weyane goons and weyane ? Do I need to break it for you ?

Berhe Y

Hi Blink,

I don’t understand the difference between weyane and weyane goons, the same way I don’t understand the difference between PFDJ and PFDJ goons like you.

weyane power will be reduced, but PFDJ power will be evaporated…

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
So , here is the link for you , weyane goons are Eritreans who support weyane at any level. I still have to find PFDJ goons from Ethiopians . Now you called me lair and I was not impressed by that because I know you berhe would say things out of the blue. Have you ever been to Ethiopia recently? May be Fanti or Amde can help you ask them what is inside the Furi-Lebu station , because you know I did not make any accusation that I cannot repeat but you did and you did many times that I lost counting. Now would you act as normal Berhe without getting angry and insult with your dullard mood. Ab hade abi Genei Tetejuu zelo gena ayreaakayon aloka , weyane will be drinking it . Just wait and be nice.

Berhe Y

Hi Blink,

I called you a lair because you are. Because you call anyone who oppose the PFDJ as weyane, and your new term, weyane goons, or any other name you can come up with. You do this purposely because your mission is to neutralize any person who is remotely trying to discredit, to expose, to fight the PFDJ regime.

There isn’t a single Eritrean who would work for the benefit of Weyane or anyone else at the expense of his country and his people. Are there Eritreans who want to have a good relationship with weyane, and get help from weyane to fight the monster at home. Are there some Eritreans who prefer weyane to stay in power in Ethiopia rather than the unknown. SURE there are and there is no shame in that. But they are not doing it at the expense of Eritrean people.

There is is ONLY one and ONE group ONLY who is doing the most damage to Eritrean people and the country and that group is the PFDJ.

I spent a lot of time here AT discussing what I thought the future of my country and my people. In doing so, I come to realize that, I too become part of the PROBLEM rather than the solution. I have turned and become USELESS. I have INTERNALIZED and I have accepted the ABUSE that is going in our country. I have become part of a citizen, instead of help IGNITE The FIRE but help to PUT it OUT by ACCEPTING the ABUSE. In another word, I LOST my OUTRAGE against this REGIME.

I WAS WRONG when I argues against people who want to remove this regime by all means. I was WRONG in advocating peaceful means of change….without KNOWING I was holding back those who WHO were outraged and want to do something.

HOW would it possible to reason with the NAZIs who were boiling children in the OVEN. How is it possible to reason with PFDJ regime who are boiling their own people in the DESERT and cooking them ALIVE.

I WAS wrong…. I don’t WANT to LOSE my RAGE anymore, UNTIL these CRIMINALS are evaporated from the face of the earth.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
I bring the word because you have a tendency to go over board . Now you wanted change to come through military force through weyane and expected to see a peaceful country? Is that your weyane cooked eye ? Trust and know Eritreans better, I mean far better. Eritreans will not accept your groups cry and kill each other . We are just too wise to fall to your evil traps. You wanted to see underage Eritrean kids to get killed by weyane bullets and dream to see your body in Eritrea . Dream what ever you like but Eritreans have rejected your evil plan power by bullets for over 20 years. You have zero interest of the Eritrean people, you are just a heritary of Asfaha weldemichal nothing more nothing less, so my description of you , Thomas, Amanuel.H and others as a weyane goons is not a lie , it is the truth that you are a weyane goons . I am saying this in connection to your wish . One thing is clear and that is PFDJ WILL fall and when the day comes people like you will still have difficulty understanding the Eritreans psychological status about their country. I have an advice for people like you and that is Go to Gym and remove your stress because if you don’t you can be certain that breathing oxygen on this earth will be very short. I can see the stress on your face.

Adhanom, Mesfin Hagos, Dr. Asefaw, they belong to the opposition and not to PFDJ. So when you say opposition, you are including everyone who oppose PFDJ.

I don’t have to tell you but when you write in public, you are expected to own it and people have the right to question you.

On many occasion, I don’t know if you do it on purpose, the message comes out that way, at least to me. You do not differentiate who your target is and you simply use and label everyone as “opposition”. And when asked, you never give straight answer, who exactly is that you have in mind but give Twiyway.

Here is a perfect example:

“What hurts me most is that people who have denigrated Eritrean identity, who bashed our revolution, defended Ethiopian atrocities and downplayed Eritrean sacrifices are protected and even encouraged to thrive in this forum while people who want to give constructive impetus to the progress of our collective drive for the betterment of Eritrea are demonized.”

Who are you talking about? Who is encouraging those committed atrocities against
that are allowed to thrive?

I can’t think of anyone except people your cheerleaders, the likes Nitricc and blink, who cheer and celebrate the atrocities of Eritreans by PFDJ.

Berhe

iSem

Hi BY:
I do not think you misunderstood MS and I do not think he means it when he said he is tired of this repetetive emotionally charged discussion otherwise he would not have ignited it by an article about Ethiopia and accusing the opp for staying in Ethiopia while TPLF is undemocratic.
First I do not have problem where he posts his articles, and also to criticize the oppo is good because we know worshiping the butchers of Sahel brought us here, so MS to criticize the opp, to say that they have nothing to show for, to show us the pictures he has when they were ridding the TPLF tanks, I am all for that.
Now his article is about Ethiopia but the title is Eri oppos… and he only devotes one line at the end of the article to the opp whose name is the heading of the article

We know that MS is not PFDJ supporter, but his criticism ff PFDJ a few years ago was remiscient of D. Trump when he grudgingly disavowed David Duke, the KKK leader.
Now, MS has threatened that it will get worse for us as his attacks will intesifity on the opp and so we should brace for it. bring it on. No problem
But MS has to answer the following: why does he think the Eri should not be stationed in Ethiopia, a country that has a million Eritreans, adding the refugees and those who made it their home before the war.
MS also has to articulate why should the Opp criticize their host country, how about if it kicks them out, would Er accept them?
MS also has to tell is in detail their failing, this will advance our cause and his contribution will be equal to his ghedli contribution
What evere TPLF/Woyane are doing to stop change as he claims in his article, which is false, but why would that juxtaposed and lumped with the opposition, the opp did not cause it, they are there for a reason, at least they are safe now from the hunting of the PFDJ thugs until a regime changes and then PFDJ hunts them down in Addis like it did in the 1990.
This is a standing criticism of of mine of the opp for diversifying in Sudan. So MS must also tell us when he make it worse for us, when his next article sequeses us that how about if the opp packs up and goes to Sudan and Sudan supports them , would he be ok ok with it. Sudan is the murder of Darfur’s 250, 000 and its leader indited by the Hague for genocide and there are daily uprising in Sudan now and the Beshir regime is anti-change.

Also as you said, the opp is not created equal so he has to differentials those who are selling Eri, otherwise all the veteran fighters and the you movements, everyone in Addis cannot be a TPLF lackey. MS has a bone to pick with the opp, what I do not know is why. To call the entire opp in Addis with out qualification that they are TPLF stooges is a a tell-tell sign of Wedi-Saleh and Wedi-Saleh is not Mahmud Saleh:-)

MS

Ahlan BerheY, Thomas and iSem
BerheY/Thomas: Get your Tim Hortons cup (Thomas starbucks), I see your train of thought and I don’t see anything new in it. WE have been this way since we met here.Keep your energy ( Hanti’A ktweld eya). I respectfully decline responding in kind. You are passionate about your views and I respect that. I don’t find you to be persuasive. iSema beat you on persuasion, so the “Eyot” or lamb is for him.
iSem: I think you rare reading my thoughts. I’m grappling with the same questions, particularly separating the patriots from the gefel-mefel. I will try to do my best. As far as Ethiopia is concerned, I did not say “… entire opp in Addis with out qualification…are TPLF stooges…” That’s yours. But I will come to it.
But here is a heads up for you, so that you mount your machine guns in strategic locations:
1. There need to be a clear stand on the border issue (I know you will tell me it was IA war).
2. I’m for peace means (you can lynch me for this stand), I’m against cross-border raids, I believe the victims are our sons and daughters who have no crime except manning their borders. [I know you will tell me they need Wayane donkeys, mind you, I’m not saying Wayane tanks, that’s Semere Tesfai’s claim]
3. Both countries should not host armed groups, against the other, if oppositions of either country have bases in side their respective countries, let them do it there.[I know you will tell me it is Kosher to be armed and get operational assistance from wayane]
4. I have no problem with headquartering there, AU headquarter is there and Eritrean representative also resides there; I have no problem with political and peaceful means originating from any quarter of the globe including Ethiopia, but no armed infiltrations or coordinations with Ethiopian military and security agencies as long as Ethiopia remains refusing EEBC ruling. Technically, that makes both countries as being in a state of war.[u will repeat number one answer]
* These are the main pillars of my argument, the rest, as Trump likes to put it “We will see.” The opposition needs to wane dependency, even wayane are frustrated with it.
You guys relax, if you really love to see the opposition succeed do what Nitrickay is doing. He comes daily with suggestions but no one is ready to lend him attention.

Berhe Y

Hi MS,

Let me tell you what I think to your points.
1) I agree
2) I agree
3) I agree – it’s my believe that armed struggle, specially supported by Ethiopia will not produce long lasting peace. I argue about this with iSem, AH, Thomas and others.
4) I agree.

Your response to the direct question was Twyway, as I suspected it. Because you are not owning it.

Do you think this faults / weakness of the opposition (including former EPLF and PFDJ) equals to the crimes being committed by PFDJ.

It’s the same argument your were making when you were discussing the death of DuruE and others in Era Era that the opposition have nothing to do with it but your attacking them.

I am not trying to persuade or convience if anything but to be fair, because you are for justice and peace.

I do not expect that from PFDJ, or its warshippers like Nitricc or blink.

Berhe

Thomas

Hi MS,

I am sure iSem will invite me when the “Eyot” is ready:) You know me and iSem share the same train when traveling to most of our destinations. I am responding to your view above that is “I don’t find you to be persuasive. iSema beat you on persuasion, so the “Eyot” or lamb is for him.”

When you say, #4 “no armed infiltrations or coordinations with Ethiopian military and security agencies as long as Ethiopia remains refusing EEBC ruling.”, it gives the impression that you have no problem if the same thing happens, for example, from sudan.

I believe that the main problem is not really who is going to bring regime change, but the fact that there is no force that can fill the void, and the result could be chaos. This is the other reason why i do not support it, in addition to the cost for ethiopia.

MS

Hello Horizon
Thanks, no it applies to any country including Sudan, i just stressed on Ethiopia because of the baggage it holds. AS far as cross border raids and hosting armed groups, I’m against, I’have been against it all along. I don’t support groups like G7 that operate from eritrea. I support the domestic movement of Ethiopia and the leaders who came out of it and through it.
The second point, power vacuum, actually I was going to make the last point you raised the highlight of my comment. That’s there is no unified message from the myriads of organizations, some advocate for self-determination others for unitary, some are working for religious rights that one can’t see them applied unless you partition the country along religious lines, some are working for controlled democratization and slow liberalization of the economy (meaning the government will have to do the heavy lifting) others advocate for the application of liberal democracy without restrictions, some for unitary government others for decentralized one,etc. Some are in the opposition for personal reasons. So there is not even a consensus for what change means to each of the factions and influential groups/individuals. As you said, there is no political regime ready to govern. That leads to a power vacuum. I don’t wish that to happen to any country.
There is a gap between how the organizations see themselves and what their actual weight is within public opinion.They spent more time fighting each other than they did fighting PFDJ. The only thing all the elements of the opposition agree on is the removal of IA, and that is not a political roadmap.

Thomas

Hi MS,

Let the awate commenters judge. I only want you to know that I care for your integrity. You are always very respectful when responding regardless how we come across to you. For that, I give you credit. I wish the rest in the PFDJ camp was listeners as you are.

I am sure things would have been different if you had invested your energy by siding with the justice seekers and the oppressed Eritrean people. Again, I think it is fruitless to tackle those who have no power or people who have no say in the decision making of where our country is heading. The only entity who is governing/leading for the better (not seen anything positive since year 1998) or the worst is the PFDJ regime. Why look for the soft spots (the already weak oppositions) when we can see the hard rock (the mafias doing the very mafias work) down there inside the country? Why is the location of the opposition (if there are any) the target? The PFDJ regime said first there are no oppositions and then modified the statement to: if there are any opposition, they are the sellouts working with the weyanes. I expect for the regime to make an effort to invalidate the opposition, what I don’t expect is you being bought into the regimes agenda.

Dear Hope
The guy (saay) is a known nationalist ,in fact can be categorized as ultra nationalist if we compare him to some sale outs and PFDJ, I don’t need an Ethiopian to tell me that . But you are may be right I messed up on my way of telling him that my Ethiopian friend accuse him of defending PFDJ and he feels saay hate TPLF than the dictator at home despite what the dictator did . I am not assuming PFDJ = Eritrea but my Ethiopian friend does think like that , I was always aware of saay and I find him a giant Eritrean great man . You know you will not find saay name in any Eritrean opposition party name lists , he has been the way he is . Trust me I am proud of him and can say that with 💯 confidence. If I was saay personally it would be very hard for me to carry on . Don’t you see some people wanted to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans just to satisfy their revenge attitudes, look at some Rekiska bara Guys !!!

Well berhe?? Ahmmm , I always discount people like him from the population census project . The guy is a weyane goon .

saay7

Yeah, Fanti,

What Bilien aid.

“…..As always, should you or any of your I.M. Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This tape will self-destruct in ten seconds Good luck, Jim.”

But seriously anta Bilien Hawna, what hate are you talking about? ከፊኡናኮ, getting accused of hate by both the TPLFites and PFDJites when we criticize their behavior.

saay

Bilien Giorgis

Selam Saay
Correction: Bilien haftna. In Tigrai Tigrigna, Bilien, as in bilien Aynei, is a girl’s name:)
I’ve been your silent reader for a long time, almost from the start of this website. I am not saying you hate the TPLF because you criticize them. I am saying that for an obviously intelligent person, you really do not have a real grasp of the dynamics of what is going on in the country. You seem to think the engine, and a sinister one at that, is the ‘weyane’ to use your term. Criticize the TPLF to your heart’s desire, God knows they have committed grievous mistakes but please do it based on actual, on the ground reasons instead of assigning dubious motives and clout to them every time the Eth government takes a certain step. That corner is already covered by those still smarting over the fact that their their Devine right for perpetual rule has been demolished.
Btw..I’ve learned quite a bit from you over the years.
YeKeniyeley

saay7

Selam Bilien:

Thanks for the correction and welcome to Awate You have increased our women writers by 25% and we appreciate it.

Even if everything you are saying is true, that would only prove that I am wrong; not your alleged motive for my being wrong (hate.) If you are a long-time reader and observer of the politics of the Horn, you know that the tool antagonists use to marginalize someone is to accuse them of hate: the message is don’t listen to what they have to say, they are hateful (irrational) people.

On the Weyane in quotes, you know that it means Revolution; it is what the initial “w” stands for in “h.we.Ha.t”; it is the prefix used to describe the type of democracy that guides EPRDF (revolutionary): so when did it become taboo to use it. Creating EPRDF was a Weyane idea; EPRDF was created 16 after the creation of Weyane; and it stands to reason —-I don’t know why there is so much defensiveness about it — that the core and most important national security offices would be led by the Weyane part of EPRDF. In much the same way that the EPLF, when it liberated Eritrea, had a passing resemblance to the make up of Eritrea.

But that was 1991. In 25 years, the TPLF has moved way too slowly to create a government whose power is distributed in proportion to the make up of Ethiopia. The exact same problem exists in Eritrea but the latter has the convenient answer of “well, if you think we are predominantly Tigrinya, guess what: we are the majority: we make up 60% of the population.” The TPLF (Weyane) has no similar answer. So now events are overtaking it.

Now, I could be wrong (disastrously wrong) on all of this: just don’t attribute hate to it. The TPLF is just another African Marxist org and African Marxists orgs have been uniformal failures.

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selam Bilien Giorgis,

(I just came back to respond to your earlier post, but it feels warmer here).

I have witnessed both -niya and -gna interchangeably in rural Tigray. I believe there is some merit to both. I agree on the presence of dialects instead of multiple languages. A good friend tried to explain this to me “scientifically” once in support of “Tigrinya” instead of Tigrigna, but I successfully forced change of subject with my “well established” resistance to the topic.

Regarding Saay’s hate, “TPLF hater” is practically a compliment compared to all other things he has been accused of in his short life. For every thing he is supposed to hate he has been accused of hating its exact opposite too. It is really weird, but among several hilariously contradictory accusations, he is supposedly Kebesa hater as well as metaHt hater. Lucky for him though, it has not occurred to any one to simplify that to “Eritrea hater” yet.

However, there is really no one to blame. The root cause is our thorny politics which is mired with one fictitious statement after another, endless misinformation campaign by our leaders, facts that change depending on the speaker’s mood, and may be also lack of vocabulary to adequately express our ideas, or may be it is the stage we are at in which we have to keep muddying one another until we grow out of it in proper time.

Whatever the real reasons are what is obvious is that we all need to improve on our communication skill. Let alone between Eritreans and Ethiopians in general, even within the same enclaves, it is staggering how little we know about one another and how poorly we exchange that knowledge among ourselves. For most part our discussions are laced with emotion + poor communication skill + need to win at any cost regional disease + occasional dishonesty + hormones + meKanet adey, and the end result is simply trading of PAIN.

PS:
In your defense, as if being wedesmera is not enough, I think he is also “hater” magnet. I almost called him “Chira-waTa hater” not long ago-:).

saay7

Hey Fantiness:

On ትግርኛ or ትግርንያ, until you hear from our linguists here (SGJ, Hailat, Kokhob), the editorial policy of awate (the front page not the forum) is to go with the latter. Decades ago, I remember some self-declared linguist saying that there are no Tigrinya words that include the ኛ sound and if they exist they are Amharic or Italian. Even the word for judge is ዳንያ not ዳኛ he said….

On musical instruments, in the 80s, during the British “New Wave” invasion when all songs were keyboard-heavy, a critic said he hates keyboards and a musician replied “how can one hate an inanimate object like a musical instrument?” So I am very self-conscious about saying I hate chra-Wata. Can I just say I intensely dislike the discordant sound it produces? 😀

On the hate thing, I am thinking of updating Ambrose’s “devils dictionary”. For example, to provide preferential treatment to to a race or ethnic group does not make you racist or bigoted. To draw attention to it does.

We have several words that would sound awkward if ኛ is replaced with ንያ such as ወረኛ, ምንቀኛ, ሓቀኛ and so on, but one thing I caution is that it should be studied carefully by linguists and historians before we write it off as recent Amharic influence.

I am a strong believer in the presence of fundamental relationship between Amharigna and Tigrigna (eat your heart out) languages instead of mere influence counter influence of the last century.

However, I will make a deal with you. Let’s leave this for SGJ for good. Whenever this topic pops up, we will feign ignorance and refer everyone to him. He seems to like hectic details anyway.

saay7

Fanti:

It’s a deal buddy!

I was going to say just like there is a standard American English required by all broadcasting companies (flat, Medwest American English that is not Eastern (New York, Boston) nor Southern), nor British (the Stones, Beatles, and all British singers until the punk movement had to use American accent) there IS also a standard Tigrinya (as practiced by all modern tigrinya singers of Eritrea and Tigray.)

But why start a fight on a Sunday?

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selam Saay,

Speaking of standard Tigrinya, some thing is brewing in the remote lowlands of southern Tigray. In one recent meeting of government officials and the public, the locals sat there quietly while an official spoke, and once done, he asked “ተረዳዲእናዶ?”

One of the local participants replied: “ምርድዳእስ ክንረዳዳእ ኢናዋ እሰቲ ብትግርኛ ድገሞ”

Brace yourself.

Kbrom

Hi Fanti

Another factor is the mixing of language by officials and the governments de facto vocabulary of certain words.

I do not know why they do not use the word ምስግጋር instead of transformation or ወኪል ፈነወ instead of ኤጀንስ ብሮድካስቲንግ or ቤትጽሕፈት instead of the french word ቢሮ

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Kibrom,

Don’t even start me on that one. You have to wonder whether these officials have parents at all. Of course, there are some words and phrases we inherited from the west that are hard to translate quickly during impromptu speech, but most of the time, it is unnecessary, confusing, and demoralizing.

saay7

Haha Fanti:

There is an old asmarino joke about a visitor from Tigray who asks for directions to visit family members. The Asmarino gives him directions using the usual asmarino hybrid of Tigrinya Italian Arabic (angolo, drito, verde, campanella….) and the visitor says ኣንታ ወደይ በቲ ፅዋይና ደይትናገር?

saay

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Fanti Ghana & Saay,
Just to make it obvious, in the area I grew up the second one is correct. And literature wise – pertinent to it, are also written similar in that way.

Fanti Ghana

Hello Mr. Amanuel,

Thank you for that. There is really no obvious geographic pattern to where and when ንያ is used instead of ኛ and vise versa. That was my number one bases for deciding long ago to pass it on to future scholars.

PS:
I just made an agreement with Saay to refer anything that has anything to do with ንያ to SGJ, but you are you and I couldn’t resist-:)

Haile S.

Hi all,
I am of the opinion that says ኛ is an amharic influence particularly in the words that have been mentioned like ትግርኛ፡ ሓርበኛ… Of course there are sounds that cannot be written other than using that letter like ድሙ ኛው ትብል፡ ቆልዓ ኛር ይብል። The first book written on tigrigna language and grammar in 1887 by a french Jules Shreiber lists the standard tigrigna alphabets without ኘ and ቸ saying these are occassionaly used in tigrigna, but are amharic influences and adds them in a separate column as amharic alphabets with influence on tigrigna. Few yeard after an Italian guy De Vito in his book about tigrigna grammar includes them both letters in the standard tigrigna alphabets

saay7

Hey Hailat:

Valuable info as usual. Did either of the two books have ሠ ንጉሥ? Its Eritrean retirement was one of the greater gifts because I never knew when to use ሠ or ሰ. Of course it’s not as bad as Arabic with its three “s” sounds and alphabets. The first time I wrote my own damn name I used the wrong S in Arabic.

saay

Haile S.

Selamat Saay7,

Yes those ‘redundant’ letters appear in Shreiber’s and others lists of alphabets. Many semetic linguists and orientalists like Ludolf, Dillman, marcel Cohen, Wolf Leslau and others tried to find the correct pronounciation of those letters without success. They speculate based on pronounciation in arabic and other semetic languages. But I think we have lost the original correct pronounciation for good, unless something is discovered in the ‘Eritrean Pompeii’ that is being dug by Italian archeologists in Adulis 🙂 🙂 :-). Where are the eritrean archeologists BTW?
Contrary to you, I was for the maintenance of those letters ሠ, ኀ .. and use them as per their usual in-practice assignement in each word. But now their removal from tigrigna in Eritrea seems to be well established and I don’t think we will back, unfortunately. Simplification is not a panacea!

saay7

Haile S:

Until the researchers show up….

I think it was called ሠ ንጉሥ for a reason: it was an alphabet reserved for royalty. Kinda like royal purple, a color that European commoners were prevented from using because some queen anointed by God said “you know, commoners, God made this color just for us.”

Saay

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Dr. Haile S.,

Very educational as usual.

I have one of the oldest geez alphabets and it does not include ሸ ቸ ኘ ኸ or ጀ either. What I found interesting about the missing ጀ is that in this old text book I have the modern Arabic letter ج (J) is equated with geez ገ (G) as in ገና ገና ብዙሕ ኣሎ እንመሃሮ ገና.

What makes the combination of the missing letter ጀ and equating of the Arabic ج with Geez ገ is Egypt! The Egyptians pronounce ج as ገ instead of ጀ. This makes Egyptians correct in their pronunciation of جمال as (ገማል) instead of ጀማል like the rest of the Arab world.

I wonder where and when the word ጅግና came about. Imagine our mutual nightmare if someday we find out that the Amharas brought the word ጅግና (ጀግና) to our vocabulary.

ድሓን ሕደር ንበሃሃል ጉድ ከየምፃእና፤፤

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Fanti,

There are some of the tigrigna alphabets that are established for foreign language pronouncements such as ጰ ፐ ቨ ቸ::

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Mr. Amanuel,

We must have read the same source at one point. I used to think that ጰ ፐ were part of the newest additions as well, but I recently found out that they are actually as old as the originals.

I managed to prove it to my self regarding ጰ but I am still looking for a solid proof on ፐ.

Haile S.

Fanti and Emma,
The apparent absence of ጰ in some people’s vocabulary is a good example of regional variation. I think, in the area where Emma is from, they use ቀ instead of ጰ, like ዳዕሮ-ቃውሎስ instead of ዳዕሮ-ጳውሎስ. In other areas they say ጓቑመ instead of ጳጉመ. But like you I suspect ጰ to be always present in tigrigna as it is used in Geez by priests.

Thomas

Hi Fanti,

I think tigrigna terminology in tigray could also depend on region/locality. I remember a tigrian in Asmara asking the bus driver or cashier in the bus if the bus is going to ገየረት to meanገጀረት. It is silly those of us in the bus were laughing for the mispronunciation of the word. We eritreans used to think we are all of that. Even our language is special and I think that is the reason we are paying the price now. We are learning the hard way though, too hard way:)

Hi Fanti hahahahahah.” ሀዚ = Mekelle (root)
ሕዪ = on its way to Asmara (Shire, Axum, half of Adwa)
ሕጂ = final destination (tired and exhausted)
very funny. When ever PIA does his interview, I learn new Tigrigna words and on his last interview, he described “corner stone” as “Emne-Meseret” this is really cool.

Saleh Johar

Hi Nitricc,
Before the English corner stone, many Eritreans were aware of simply meseret or embe meseret. They are also aware if it’s Arabic version: hajer assas. Or hajer al assas. That was long before we learned English.

I am sure he is not talking in the context of construction. He is using it as a noun to mean “an important quality or feature on which a particular thing depends or is based” as per google.

So he throws words here and there, and those who are hypnotized confused it for wisdom.

In this context, Mesesret is sufficient and it serves the purpose. Why say emne-Mesesret ?

Berhe

Amanuel Hidrat

Hi Berhe,

What I was trying to explain was, by showing the roots of the words, I was also showing how the words are used and helped in writing sophisticated modern tigrigna literature. Me think.

Berhe Y

Hi Nitricc,

He is not cool at all, but most people give him credit or confuse he coins words that they never heard before.

In this example, if he is translating “Corner stone” as “Emne-Meseret” I am not sure they mean the same thing.

Emne-Mesert would be “stone base”, which is not exactly the same as “corner stone”.

As per google dictionary: A corner stone is a stone that forms the base of a corner of a building joining two walls.

I don’t know what would be called such stone (I am sure there is a name for it) but I don’t think emne-mesert would be the correct word for it.

Berhe

iSem

Nitricc:
Do not be so impressed. untypical of you
the guy is a loony. Do you know he said tsaeda harmaz (white elephant)
Languages borrow and evolve naturally not central planning, central planning is bad enough for economic policy but it is disaster for language, it make it devoid of personality, shallow, PIA is no beautifying Tig
A good example that once Sal share of his friend was “tHti edme) (underage) and now even menin their eithies have abandoned “aqmi adam/hiwan)
So i advice you to keep up your self-proclaimed of nt being impressed

Haile S.

Hi Nitricc,
I suggest you to learn Tigrigna from the august forumers at Awate.com. Emma’s definition, እምነ-ኩርናዕ is closer that IA’s invention. IA invents because he doesn’t want to learn from knowlegeable people of his country who spent time to write a dictionary of 1000 pages like ተክአ ተስፋይ. According to this dictionary, corner stone is እምነ መኣዝን. Confidence in your citizens is the most important thing that IA lacks and demonstrated repeatedly. IA doesn’t need to re-invent the wheel.
Cheers

Kbrom

Hey Nitricc,

But corner stone should be እምነ ኩርናዕ not እምነ መሰረት.

Nitricc

Hey Kbrom and all. I was wrong. After i consulted my notes, PIA said ” not Emne-meseret but EMNE-SERET; to mean “indoctrination ” not corner stone. Sorry about that. I have no idea where i got the corner stone thing. my bad.

Desbele

Nitricc,
ዋይ ሓወይ እምበኣር ጥራዝ ሒዝካ ኢኻ ካብዚ ዕቡድ ጽላለ ትወርስ?! ምሕረት የውርድ

Kbrom

Hi Nitriccay

ካብዛ ርእሱ እባ ውረድ እዚ እምኒ hahaha Indoctrination is ሰረተ እምነት not እምነ መሰረት

Thomas

Hi Fanti Hewey,

Hahahaha, there is always a woman behind a successful man. In the awate world, everyone surrenders to world of logic so if you can convenience our big brothers here, they won’t be mad with you. Though, the way you said it could be a little insulting you have your way out in the awate world. You are one of the most respected person here. You are never biased (should I call politically correct though:)) in any topic debated here.

Fanti Ghana

Selamat brother Thomas,

You just reminded me to say something I have been meaning to for a long time.

Both of my parents were well known for their sense of humor, and out of the four of us kids, only the eldest of my two eldest sisters inherited all of it from both. The rest of us came out with zero.

I, being the last child, have been trying to be as funny as my sister all my life. How this lifelong desire to be funny has complicated my life is that I ended up becoming someone unable to admit the possibility that some may not realize I am joking when I am.

I farther complicated my personality disorder by choosing a life partner who laughs at anything I say (go figure).

So, I will need all the help I can get, and one way my friends can help is to point out or to ask for clarification whenever I don’t sound like me.

Thanks.

Thomas

Hi Fanti,

There were several instances that I had to smile because of the joke addition of your message. You were so good at it. For example, you made to travel from Mekele tigray to Shire/adwa and border places within Eritrea to deep Eritrea. That was a lesson and a joke for me.

“ሀዚ = Mekelle (root)
ሕዪ = on its way to Asmara (Shire, Axum, half of Adwa)
ሕጂ = final destination (tired and exhausted)”

I was born and grew up in Asmara. I used to making jokes even my relatives from the country side (of course sometimes laugh at their tigrignas’). I used to think the tigrigna spoken in Asmara was based on what is in the dictionary:) Everything else was an informal/a make up tigrigna. This is until people like Amanuel Hidrat boldly told me that it is the other way around. That is tigrigna spoken in Asmara was actually not pure tigrigna. It is like news to me, but it is true so I have accept the fact though painfully:) I have to tell you I am a bit downed by this:)

Haile S.

Selam Fanti and all,

It is facinating to look for origin, usage and evolution of a letter, word or a language. No language can remain pure unless it is in an isolated island like Papau New Guinea. Imagine Tigrigna remaining ‘pure’ while it is juxtaposed by language of same origin as arabic, its sisters like amharic, tigrayt and incircled by saho, bilen, afar and others and pounded by foreign languages like italian: impossible. Having said that we can still try to dig what letter, which pronounciation is coming from whom and at what period. This is the raw meat ዝሕላ for the professional as well as the amateurs like us who try to hold a bite here and there.
You said, you are from south tigrai. Many years back, a lady moved back from your area to Asmara. She came to visit a neighbour and at the end before leaving she said to her host ናጋ ድሕሪ ናጋ ቦኽ በላና። Everyone went into a uproarious lough and it took time to decipher it.
On your questions on geez alphabets, I will be back later after consulting few books.

Haile S.

Selam Fanti,
One thing I wanted to check without making 100% sure was that these alphabets you mentioned are not Geez, that is the reason they are not in the list of alphabets you have.
Best

Saleh Johar

Ehhhheeeem Emma,
It has nothing to do with hating Amharic. Can you conclusively say Gina was pronounced in Tigrinya? See! Literature and language is not about hating or loving. AND I Fi Not hate any language, I strive to learn them 🙂

Saleh Johar

Fanti,
I argue, expecting pelting, that Gina was popularized by Italians —you can say they live Gina equally like Amharic speakers. Both killed the nya and made it to gna. Magna, bologna, guadagna, fagnatura. are Italian words. It’s natural they change Tigrinya to tigrigna. On a different note, we dropped bet for Geza, adopted Italian Casa (read caza). the Arabs, being semites. They have difficulty pronouncing the gna sound. That is why they call Bologna, bolonia

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Memhir,

I think this will interest you. In southern Tigray we never use ገዛ like all the Tigrinya speaking world does. I didn’t even know there was such a word when I was young. We refer to a home as ዓዲ instead.

Why I find this interesting is for the following reasons:

Say someone asks you ኣበ’ዩ ዓድኻ? Your reply obviously is dependent on where you are at. If you are outside Eritrea you will say Eritrea. If you are in Eritrea you will say Keren. But what do say if you are already in Keren besides “are you alright”?

However, if you were southern Tigraway you would have no problem but to point to your home if already in the locality. Why, because to you ኣበ’ዩ ዓድኻ would simply mean “where is your home” as oppose to what many of you ሰብ ገዛ think it means (ሃገር).

To put it chronologically:

ቤት = house, any section of a house, and anything shaped like a house.
እንዳ = prefix to a name of an owner or resident of a given home or a house.
ዓዲ = home and እንዳ
ሃገር = affiliation, kingdom, and later country
ገዛ = who cares?

saay7

Fanti:

ገዛ = who cares? 😂😂

So where does ብሄር as in ብሄራዊ መንግስቲ fit here? Is it the same as ሃገር?

By the way, speaking of ዓዲ north of Mereb, we have updated the classic song sang when sending off the bride to the groom (ኣበይዪ ዓድኺ…..?) The only correct answer is Eritrea (if you mention any other locality as an answer, you are probably a subnationalist threatening the unity of Eritrea) and in the ድርብ section of the song, the beat switches to Amharic and እስክስታ is on. You make sense of it, I give up:

Let me try until Fanti gets back to you. Both ብሄር and ብሄራዊ መንግስቲ are applied when the administrative units are structured in “nations” and “nationalities” as in Ethnic federation. So ብሄር = nation and ብሄራዊ መንግስቲ = national government of the nations. Then the central government in this case will be call “ ሃገራዊ መንግስቲ“ to distinguish from the periphery states as kilil in Ethiopia. However a country could be made of one nation or more. This is me think.

Regard

saay7

Emma:

So…

ብሄር = nation
ሃገር = country

So… what is a State? 🙂 I remember Herui T Bairou was borrowing from Arabic (why not, we borrowed ሰዉራ from Arabic) and telling us
State = ደውላ

But for very obvious reasons, this is a no-go for Ethiopia.

saay

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Saay,

First, a year or more ago, I think Fessehaye Mebrahtu (correct me if I am wrong) told us ደውላ is geez word for a “state” (not for the administrative unit as in federal gov). You know as I do, that a modern state (ደውላ) has three pillars namely the government, civil society, and private sectors. So the “state” as ደውላ and the “state” as administrative unit in Federalism can be easily distinguished one from the other when needed in our debate.

Regard

saay7

Selam Emma:

Did you hear that, Fanti? ደውላ is Geez not Arabic so it’s been deemed safe for use by Emama 🙂

We will have to expand this discussion to Tigrayt and listen as MaHmuday, SGJ, Kbrom, and iSem try to educate us on the different meanings of ዓድ and (pay attention here Fanti) ሰብ.

saay

iSem

Hi Sal:
Good exercise for me to practice

ዓድና ላፍገሬና: he whom has explled us from our countruy
ዓድ ሙዓልም: The Mualims (The smiths or the Younises

And Fatna Zahra did not come to Asmara to see her village, she came to see her family and neighbors 😉

Amanuel Hidrat

Hi Saay,

You remember once upon a time, you provided us with a link about how nations evolve by an Indian professor in one of their universities. I forget his name to google it, it would have been very helpful on the subject we are debating. Could you help us with your memory to pull it from the den of the internet? I forget to keep it in my own file for my reference.

Regard

saay7

Emma:

I can’t post the link (awate forum guidelines for weekdays) so go to youtube and enter this in the search bar:

Ethnicity and Nationalism by Ashutosh Varshney

saay

Amanuel Hidrat

Aya Adi’U,

Thank you very much. I will listen it this evening after work. Then I will get back to you.

Nitricc

Hey SAAY;you are right Biher is from Gieez and it means country.

Fanti Ghana

Selam Saay,

ብሄር, before we reduced it to what it means today is actually bigger than all the rest. ብሄር = ዓለም = world = the universe.

እግዚኣብሄር = ረበልዓለም (رب العالم).

We are however used to the more common plural version in Arabic.
ረበ’ልዓለሚን (رب العالمين) = ፈጣሪ ኩሉ ዓለም = Creator/Lord of all worlds.

PS:
I went to bed laughing with your Sw (ص ) last night, because I did the same thing. I used the obvious sounding س the first time.

iSem

Sal and Fanti and the rest who are contributing to the language debate
My insomnia was cured when I learned two things in this forum by non- other than Sal. and the two thing were these: to learn that Al-Ula means first (Female first, as she was first in here class) and second to Learn than Ethiopia is number 2 in camel ownership

Nitricc before you hold this against me the next time you pick a fight with me and tell the forum that do not believe Sem Andom he has zero sleep, the insomnia thing is a joke. In fact, I sleep and my hand gets numb when I slep., I sleep deep and one day a neighbor set our house in fire and I did not even hear it until Semira* (my wife) woke me up and pointed out the TV news that our friend and neighbor for almost 7 yrs has set our house in fire:-)
Nitricc again *Semira: this just a Mensaeyit name:-)
Also I like to thank my friend Sal for his intellectual honesty, given his attitude to Camels and the tools that their shepher d carry (Swords), you would think that Sal woulds suppress this info, but not Salg
And the simmering anger of the revelation about Camels and Al-Ula, the beloved Ras of some part of todays Ethiopia being Arabic
infuriated an Ras and we lost us our beloved Ras Abi

😉

Kbrom

ክብረት ይሃበለይ Fanti,

Even though the elements of State, Nation, and Country are so different each with its specific essential prerequisites the terms State, Nation, Country, are often subject to semantic mistakes and didactic difficulties in defining them clearly.

According to DBT, when looking at the etymology, ‘nation’ has been derived from the latin word, ‘natio’, which means a ‘set of people’. State is a word that has been derived from the Latin’s ‘Status’, which means ‘status’ or ‘condition’.

I remember one arguments which states ‘A State can be created while a Nation is always the result of evolution. His argument was: A nation is more stable than the State. When sovereignty ends, the State dies, but not the nation.

Fanti I beg to differ on your taking ብሄር = ዓለም = world = the universe.

World is ዓለም while universe is ኣድማስ.

I am not sure why we use ገዛ instead of ቤት it looks like ቤት is more original than ገዛ. Could geza be the result of Casa. ኣቦታትና use to say ኣትን እምቤትና which has changed its pronunciation with time from ኡመ በይት or ኡመልበይት።

With the word ኛ I have similar opinion to that of Haile፥ the words ኛ ች are not in our original words, ኣቦታትና use to say መንቀይና ዓለወይና even ምሹእ።

Language can not remain as it is just because one wants them to be, look at todays English, who would imagine 20 years ago one will reply to you ‘cool’ when you ask him/her ‘how are you’.

ዝኸበርካ Emma፥ ኣቋም is not Tigrigna it is a word used buy our neighbour in the south for መርገጺ. Policy is ፖሊሲ ንዘይብልካ ቃላት ካብ ካልኦት ቋንቋታት ብፍላይ ድማ ካብ ናይ ውሽጢ ሃገር ምውሳድ ቅኑዕ ኮይኑ ይስመዓኒ። ንኣብነት Mechanism ዝብል ቃል ስለዘይብልና ካብ ዓረብ ኣሊያ ዝብል ቃል ምውሳድ ነቲ ቋንቋ ዘሀብትም ኢዩ። For Concept ኣምር is the right word because ጥንሰ ሓሳብ ንሓደ ዘይተወልደ ግምተ ሓሳብ ስለዝውክል። As in hy·poth·e·sis፡ a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. ኣምር ግን ብምውህሃድ ናይቶም ኩሎም ነቲ ኪግለጽ ዝድለ ዘሎ ነጥብታት ዝቆሙ ስለዝኾኑ ነቲ concept as an idea or mental picture of a group or class of objects formed by combining all their aspects ግሩም ጌሩ ዝውክል ይኸውን።

One of many words that we can borrow from the south is the word ብርኪ. Wrongly we use the word ደረጃ for e.g ቀዳማይ ደረጃ ቤት ትምህርቲ which is not Tigrigna and does not give the correct meaning because ደረጃ is equal to standard not for level.

ምሹእ ንባብ ይግበረልኩም ካብ ሎኽመይና የድሕንኩም

Kokhob Selam

Dear Kbrom;

You are wonderful..

KS,,

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Kibrom,

There is a good chance you could be right about ኣድማስ, at least as a relatively recent expansion of the meaning. However, ኣድማስ originally meant boundary (ወሰን), limit (ጫፍ), and later horizon (ኣድማስ). I knew it as horizon since my elementary school.

Not that I am a scholar on these things, but one of the main discouraging aspects for conducting any scholarly work about our languages is that we need a solid background in multiple languages including all Middle east and Persian languages as well as most of our local languages to get a clue of the etymology of our words.

In the meantime, lets all keep pitching in what little we know and hopefully, grow together.

Keep teaching us!

Kbrom

ሓደርካ Fanti

Neither am I a scholar dear brother, we are learning from each other and sharing the ቁራቦ we have.

Thank you for bringing some important words that shifted with time and colloquialism. The words you mentioned sound so much like the other words that they are often used interchangeably.

My understanding is that originally ኣድማስ was related to something that has no boundary, mostly to ጠፈር kind of scope although ጠፈር is galaxy. However, currently the true meaning of ኣድማስ is something that affects to all e.g universal declaration of human rights ኣድማሳዊ ኣዋጅ because it affects all people in the world.

I fully agree on your take and your explanation on the usage of those words you are debating with Fanti. No one is more knowledgeable than you on those cultural and new introductory words to our Tigrigna dictionary. I had slight difference on our previous exchange, but generally we are on the same page. Keep up brother.

Haile S.

ሰላም ኣቦይ ን’ኡስ ክብሮም,
I am guessing the ንኡስ part. Even busy, I cannot resist the ongoing discussion. So briefly, I agree with Emma, you better it, you better it, in terms of knowledge on tigrigna. On ኣድማስ I still think means Horizon. For proof, you have our Dear friend ኣድማሱ (aka Horizon 🙂 :-)).
On ገዛ, it is a word that intriguided me for long. Many eritrean villages have ላዕላይ ገዛ & ታሕታይ ገዛ and I have the feeling it predated Italians, though I might be wrong. If I am right then it must have come from the portugese. Have you ever wondered on whether the portugese left anything in words or expression other than the bridges across the nile, Susnyos’s and his son’s(?) palaces? I read in a book that portugese flag was discovered in a someone’s house some where near Gorgora a century or more after they left. They stayed for decades in abyssinia, more than the italians, even though they had no administrative role. In the present Eritrea they had a house/compound in adi-brhanu what we call now is ገዛ ብርሃኑ. Does anyone know why the village south west of Asmara is called ጻዕዳ ክርስትያን? Was this due to portugese or other foreighners who lived there?
እዚ ዎ ድሓንኩም፡ ንሐዚ

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Hailat,

Both are interchangeable:

ላዕላይ ገዛ: ታሕታይ ገዛ = ላዕላይ ዓዲ: ታሕታይ ዓዲ

saay7

Hailat, Kbrom, Emma & Fanti:

I am writing reluctantly, for fear is breaking the spell, because I am enjoying your conversation.

In your exchanges, I get the sense that there is no synonym, homonym or homophone (a word which means two different meanings) in Tigrinya. Why can’t Admas ኣድማስ be universal and horizon at the same time?

And Kbrom: we make no representations about the transferability of credits but this here is a university so: while I am very intrigued by your assertion that the origin for the Amharic word (tigrinyasized now) for rifle ጠበንጃ is ጠብ መንጃ and for soldier (ወታደር) is ወድቆ አደር, do you have any sources for that? I don’t want iSem to make a fool of himself trying to impress Ethiopian friends at the next cocktail party. And by iSem I mean Nitrric of course.

saay

Haile S.

Selam Saay7,
Dont’t reluct, your inquisitive mind is sought for. On ኣድማስ, I don’t disagree. After all ኣድማስ is the apparent edge of the universe. On ጠብመንጃ, it sound very plausible, however, we may need to exclude possible arab origin. Many goods that were imported came with their arab names, since they came from the sea through arab merchants. For ecample ኣበጀዲድ, if I am not mistake. I will leave this aspect to you Sal and to SGJ to elaborate. On ወጥቶ ኣደር again very convincing. I am not sure why Sal to ወድቆ ኣደር. After falling an abyssinian soldier is for the voltures and hyenas, therefore the ኣደር part looses significance. That is the reason many nostangic songs add volture in their lyrics.

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Saay,

If you are interested on homophone words that has two meanings (ስምና ዘርቅ), I will give to you, Hailat, Kibrom, Sem…..et al to come up with the meanings. Just for starting:

Selamat Kokhob,
Don’t feel sorry. I am an eternal student. For example you just taught me a new word ‘ኬዝቲም’. I need to delve into what you said later on. Cheers

Amanuel Hidrat

selam Kokhobay,

Can you tell me the equivalent in English for “ኬዝቲማ” because still I don’t understand it. As to the questions I gave you, I will give you my own take when the rest answered to my query.Thank you one vocabulary to my personal dictionary.

Sorry, I have not followed the discussion, but “ወታደር”, i thought originated from ወቶ አደር፣ or ወጥቶ አደር, which is the same, i.e. somebody away from home, rather than (ወድቆ አደር).
Kim Hanna and Amde – what do you think?

saay7

Horizon:

That’s on me: I misquoted kbrom. He said ወታደር is a consolidation of two Amharic words ወጥቶ አደር and for reasons that only Freud can understand I read ወድቆ አደር What is ironic is that I said I prefer to read and learn instead of breaking the flow:)

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Dr. Haile S.,

What a treasure you are!

You won’t believe how time, resource, and lots of luck intensive a study of origin of languages, words, letters, and symbols can be.

I had concluded ገዛ came with Spaniards some 500 years ago until you just mentioned the Portuguese which I must add to my list of potential sources.

However, if we really want to take it to the limit, we have to reconsider Italian also because we have had ample relationship with the old Roman Kingdoms too. Besides, SGJ is not going to give up that easily anyway-:).

My single mindedness with Spaniard => casa emanated from another unmistakably Tigrinya word I found in the Philippine language Tagalog in 1991 along with casa. The word is too specific, uncommon, and “coincidence safe.” Philippines was colonized by Spain for three centuries.

እዚ ዎ ድሓንካ፡ ንሕጂ

Fanti Ghana

Selamat kibur Kibrom,

Thanks for your beautiful additions. I loved your ኡመልበይት yesterday. It brought lots of beautiful memories from my teenage years in the Sudan. We had a very graceful mature lady neighbor who always used that term to enquirer for the whereabouts of my adaptive mother.

I like your take on ጠብ መንጃ because that was how I always understood it until a Turkish friend shacked my belief a few years ago. In Turkish a shotgun is called ጠባንጃ, and since there is an ample circumstantial evidence that the Turks may have brought the first shotguns to our region, I had to give it a serious thought.

Or, is it possible that they came with swords and we greeted them with our ጠብ መንጃ? Too far fetched? You do the leg work if you feel like it.

Ismail AA

Selam SJ and others,

It is interesting to read the inputs on the issue of the language under discussion. As far as I am concerned, I am a victim of “al ein basira wal-yad qasira – the eye can see, but the hand is too short to reach”. I mean to say that I can only be diligent and knowledge hungry pupil.

Anyway though, I second SG’s view that language changes as in the case of Italians he mentioned. I saw this in relation to Persian (which is incredibly literarily and artistically rich language) has to introduce alphabets and sounds in order to cope with change of importation of knowledge such as literature and other know-how.

So, here is a question for any of fellow forumers teaching the rest of us on the Tig (which one should I use now) rinya. Don’t you think the best way to establish the roots, one has to consult the first hagiographical writings if possible, or at least how the first grammar book was written by Weldeab Weldemariam in Eritrea’s case? Where is Dawit Mesfin? He might have found something on this in his research about Wel Wel’s biography.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam SGJ,

I don’t think we are talking about the adulterated Asmarino language. I thought we were debating about the unadulterated native tigrigna language of the highlanders.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam BG,

It is absolutely true that “hatred of TPLF” is one of the factors that prevented us from objectively assessing our role or place in our own country. Sadly our debate is more about Ethiopia and their political parties than our own problems and political crises that is driving out our young generation from the nation in a mass of exodus. It is an odd to say the least.

So my point is, let alone between Eritrean tigrigna and Tigray tigrigna, there is even difference between two Eritrean political cultures.

Regards

Kebessa

Selam Amanuel,
ኣመራርሓ is actually leadership in Tigray’s vocabulary. Ask Fanti or Amde. If it was the way you put it, I wouldn’t have added it to the list.
I think you are also mixing up ኣቋም and ቅዋም. They’re as two different things as principle and constitution.
I didn’t know there was vocabularic
difference between EPLF and ELF. Interesting. I like EPLF’s version of social affairs, I like ELF’s version on the economy.
I would assume then EPLF’s ‘ahgurawi’ is ELF’s ‘AlemleKawi’.

Saleh Johar

Selam all,
Actually there is no standard Eritrean Tigrinya, each region has its own dialect or set of words that are influenced by the languages that are common in each locality. In Tigray, the language is heavily influenced by Amharic—it is natural that it is sprinkled with other neighboring languages. A person from Asmara will add Arabic and some Italian words when speaking Tigrinya. In Anseba their language is influenced by Tigrayet and some bile. For example, they say “Chebel nesaaka” which literally means “Hamde wesefka” or ech ilekka.
The Tigrinya in southern akeleguzai is close to the adjacent Tigray region so is the language of ado khwala close to thatof Adua. The Tigre of Mensa is close to Tigrinya, etc. if you go to Jeremy it’s a different ball game: for example, can you decipher this Tigrinya sentence from Karen: Berta Liberia met shekiEyya fear at teTeliqe. Or Saleh you is’ favorite “at bsotei tihingig allla”. Let him translate both for you 🙂
so, there is no standard Eritrean Tigrinya.

MS

Ahlan AbusalaH
Hey i can decipher that because it is an adulterated Tigrayet except the word “beta”: I hit you by the ball and ran away [for my life].

1. In this video, (begin at 20:44), the speaker, who is very upset at the TPLF’s inability to protect the interest of Tigrayans says that Tigrayans are being victimized in Ethiopia and asks who are the perpetrators? Is the entity perpetrating these crimes “ናይ ውሽጥ ዓረብ ድዮ ወይስ ናይ ደገ ዓረብ እዩ?” (are they domestic or external Arabs?)

2. In passing (in a postscript), I asked Fanti Ghana (the only Ethiopian I feel free to ask these questions without getting the inexplicable temper flare): “Hey Fanti Ghana, does Tigrayan Tigrinya use “Arab” and “enemy” interchangeably?

3. Fanti Ghana gave a perfect answer: hey remember back when the Tigrayans were being victimized in Gondar the EPRDF was blaming Egypt? That was the reference of “inside or outside Arab.”

4. Meanwhile, one of those guys who first gets upset, then tries to figure out why he is upset, gave Fanti more assignment to make me less hateful, etc.

5. Now carry on with your tutorials, which I am enjoying. Well, it is not as entertaining as the Oppo Research on Abiye Ahmed getting busted for plagiarizing entire speeches by Henry Kissinger, Ayn Rand….but then (as you and I know Abu Selah from years of rejecting articles), in Habesha culture, there is no difference between “research” and “plaigiarize”: so it is just the Diaspora Oppo getting all excited. I expect them to translate into English (and send to the US embassy) terrible things he said about African Americans in Amharic, thou. Ethiopian politics is resembling American politics now.

That is deeply rooted in the Abyssinian psyche since the days of the feudal kings. But when I say this, even some of the sane Abyssinian intellectuals get offended. So don’t be surprised.

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Kebessa,

Since you imply leadership only as መሪሕነት in Eritrean tigrigna, I was trying to tell you that it is also ኣመራርሓ depending how you are using it in your sentence. I am not arguing as to what the tigrians say for leadership. Talking about the variance of vocabularies, I was indicating that there is also difference within our two political cultures. That was the thing I was trying to convey to you.

However, like what Saleh have said there is no standardized tigrigna vocabulary so far.

Regards

Mez

Dear Amanuel H

As to your judgement, how far apart are the Asmara and Mekele Tigrina dialects? Like the New York
and LA ,or the Southern English in the US? More of ore or less?

Thanks

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Mez,

First and foremost the pure and the unadulterated Eritrean tigrigna is either in the center of the highland or in the hinterland of the highland of Eritrea. It is not in Asmara. If you mean as to the gap of Eritrean and tigrain tigrigna, I would say, similar to the gap of English of North Eastern states to that of the Southern states (in accent wise and not in correctness).

Regard

Mez

Dear Amanuel H,

Thank you for your thought.

I concluded the same thing since a while, at most probably “the London and New York English”.
Since the administrative and comercial ceters are the two cities, I think their dialect will be the dictating one–for the flourishing and striving of art and litrature, in this language.

The reason I brought this is to imagine and hope one outstanding writer after another– from which ever corner–would bless us with a series of world class art and litrature works.
I strongly sence the market, well over 10 million people, is ready since a decade or so.

Thanks

Hope

Alex:
Assuming that the TPLF shall be GONE for GOOD,which it will.

Abraham H.

Selam Awatista, here is a very strong speech by the free spoken Abay Tsehaye regarding the current issues of Ethiopia. At the end of his speech he comes with a very stark warning to those who might try to bring the supremacy of one Ethnic group on top pf the rest of the Ethiopians, saying trying to do so could be the end of Ethiopia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFEqn1z4ssU

blink

Dear Abraham
Thanks for posting the killer voice with full of lies . He looks like his body is sweating . The one thing such people mastered is lies and be the best cony

Hi Desbele; you are the most corrupted wanna be Eritrean i have ever seen. I know i am breaking the rules but here is your country and your hero Abay Tsahaye. your country and your TPLF is in a deep Sh!t.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjdr_yE_kMU

Alex

Hi Abraham,
Why do we belief what Abay tsehaye is saying now when TPLF is losing its influence in Ethiopia. Tigray and TPLF have the supremacy over all other Ethiopians even though they represent 6% of the population since 1991. Now things are reversing, even tigrayans start saying we are brothers with Eritreans after seeing TPLF might lose power in Ethiopia.

From a simple Teen-Soldier in 1990 to a Colonel few years ago then a Minister then Deputy President of Oromia and with Tripple Degrees to PhD last year .
-Founder and Director of the NIS(Ethiopian Natl Intelligence Services
-Founder and Dir/Min of Science and Technology/Communication
-Genius in IT and Computer Science,Political Science and Economics and Finances as well an Expert in Peace and Conflict Resolution( resolved the Muslim-Christian Conflict in his region and the Somali-Oromia Conflict and dealt with a million displaced Oromos)!
-Multi Linguist –Fluent in Oromifa,Amharic,Tigrinya and English!
He is said to be the Engine behind the Ormoiya Youth Movement/The leader against Addis extension and Land grabbing
Surprised that the TPLF didn’t kill him!
Note to Deki Eri:
-A full blown Ethiopian Unionist/Patriot
-Played a serious role during the Eri-Ethiopian War as an Intelligence Unit Team Leader at the War Front,which made him to earn his L Colonel Status.

King Ezana

Selam Hope; take it easy. At the End of the day, he is Oromo, Muslim at that. People say game over but in reality, the game just begun. All the Tigrayans need to do is empower the Amhara and they will eat each other to the end.

Berhe Y

Dear King Ezana,

May be I don’t know the Ethiopian history as much, but were there bloody conflict / war in recent Ethiopian history. I mean going back to 100 years.

I really don’t understand why people use this kind of terms “eat each other etc”. I know power struggle / marginalization etc but actual bloody conflict I doubt. And that I think primarily because each ethnic group has their own areas other than the capital, which include everyone.

Berhe

Berhe Y

Dear Hope,

This week is the first time I have heard of him and today is the first time I heard his speech.

I was a bit skeptical because of his young age and the time spent learning vs actually working / experience (political experience) which comes with time.

His resume is impressive and It seems he has the oratory skills to match. Not sure he seems to criticize a bit to the old culture (eg Ethiopian calendar) which I am not sure what exactly the advantage will be. At the same time he seems to be proud of the Ethiopian history.

Overall I think a very positive development for hopefully smooth transition.

I think it will a match to the leaders of Kenya and Rwanda, who are vying for positive change Which I think is a welcome development.

I was really impressed the value and the weight he gives for the people the ability to say what they think.

Dear Hope
Yes , he even openly bragged about influencing the future of Eritrea. He was an easy on the UAE base in asseb . He has an expansionist mind of the 3000 years history told to him when he come to 4 kilo . Eritreans can only hope Ethiopia goes through a radical change on its way to democracy and influence Eritreans on a better way not like the 26 years of weyane evil plan.

bihon

ha ha ha Eritros, so close to Ethiopia, so ignorant about its politics. You seem so sure of your ignorance though and that truly is a special talent.

Hope

Hahahah bihon:
U know that NO one else knows better about the ins and outs about Ethiopia and Ethiopians …,
So,sell out that bluff to others,not to Eritros.

Teodros Alem

Selam bilien
The difference r.
Lemma said the reason why we(opdo) need the federal government offices position is not to steal form the federal gov. And develop oromai but to play a good role for the benefit of the whole of ethiopoa. That is the difference.

saay7

Selam Bilien:

You didn’t address your comment to anyone (no salutation in your post) but you get one thumb up for the display of appropriate sarcasm:)

Look, I wish we can talk about Ethiopia ideologically–left-wing/right wing; liberal/conservative; capitalist pig/commie; pacifist/hardliner–but the country is organized ethnically because the political elite figured that would be in their best interest. So now we have a situation where people are excited that a person (Dr. Abiy Ahmed Ali) they have never heard of before last week is going to be the Prime Minister just because he inherited something from his parents:) This shows you that people are more interested in running away FROM somebody than they are TO somebody (kinda like Eritrea’s youth exile problem.) This is why Fanti has chosen to remain silent according to my imaginary conversation with him.

Speaking of the obsession with Tigray, Tegaru and the preferential treatment (real or perceived) they receive, I was tagged in a video that was done by pastor(?) Daniel Kbret who uses the example of “Battle of Adwa” and asks questions like “why is the battle celebrated in Adwa, Tigray?” Isn’t the origin of the word “Adwa” Oromigna, etc, etc. It starts out funny but it carries on and on. Awate posting guidelines say no videos until weekend so you may want to search for it on youtube by entering this in the search bar: ቄሮ እባካችሁ አድዋንም እንደበቀለ ገርባ አስፈቱት” ዳንኤል ክብረት

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Saay,

I had to laugh. All the imaginary conversations we had are still fresh in my mind. However, we will talk in reality and in public if one of the following three scenarios takes place.

1. Someone claims that all couples who divorced in Ethiopia in the last 27 years were forced by TPLF.

2. Diaspora politics collapses on its own weight.

3. I get fired from work.

PS:
I know Deacon Daniel Kibret, I met him once in person and we had very enlightening few days. He is as patriotic Ethiopian as they come, extremely brilliant, and with extensive knowledge of our history. He is an amazing orator and I am not surprised by his “አድዋንም አስፈቱት” brush.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Awatawian,

The US.News reported that Ethiopia has released 1500 prisoners from the Eastern Somalia region. According the report Ethiopia has released 6000 prisoners since January 2018. The PM has said the release was designed “to increase political space” the report said. The wind of change is very promising.

Kokhob Selam

Amuni,

What, about Eritrea ?

KS,,

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Kokhobay,

Ours is unpredictable. ገና ዘይጸዓየ ቃልሲ’ዩ::

Regards

Kokhob Selam

Dear Amanuel-

ኣየ እወ:-

“ገና ዘይጸዓየ ቃልሲ’ዩ::”

KS,,

Haile S.

Kokhob,
How are you doing BTW? It would have been great if these undeservingly suffering prisoners were released (dead or alive) along with declaration of a draconian state of emergency (no difference, we are in it). PIA would have deserved a NoVel Prize for transcending his person.
ጀበና ኣጸሚናያ’ዶ?
Cheers

Peace!

HI Emma,

In deed it is a good news even when one prisoner gets released, but the political game TPLF playing is too naked for everyone to see. Releasing 6000 prisoners out of tens thousands doesn’t even equate to prison reform. what do you mean by “The wind of change is very promising”- what has changed? the army, the economy and security are still under total control TPLF.

Peace!

Teodros Alem

Hello everyone
Dr AbIY AHMED is about to be the next PM of ethiopia. so can we say tplf dominance is over? If yes how? And if not how?
I mean i don’t think dr abiy will act like pmhd for a lot of reasons.1, he is coming from the strongest party(opdo) 2, he has a lot of support from the people . so i don’t think tplf will able to force him by military to do their job.
So what do u think?

blink

Dear Teodrose
Still the guy will kneel down to the security because the structure is simply against any one who will challenge TPLF. Still TPLF rules . Dr.Abyi is an EPRDF escape from reality but the reality will come back roaring at EPRDF face.

Teodros Alem

Selam blink
He didn’t kneel down when he is deputy chairman of opdo let alone when he become pm of ethiopia.
If they try to do that they and the whole country will become a mess. Don’t forget why they r here in this mess in the first place.

blink

Dear Teodrose
I believe TPLF still wield power and their power is in the military. Do you believe the PM will exercise his duty with out any obstacles from TPLF ? I mean like foreign policy and the economy? I highly doubt that .

Teodros Alem

Selam blink
Military am not sure how powerful they r in it. But like i said don’t forget why they r here in this mess in the first place. And trust me thier military power will come to their size either ways the good way or the hard way.

Pmhmd was a civilian technocrat with no military or security experience, and the main reason they could easily undermine his power. Dr. Abiy Ahmed on the contrary seems to have a broad experience in the military, as well as the security.
Moreover, he has a strong party supporting him that has lately become assertive, ethio-centered, and the restive young oromos that in actual fact shook the power base of tplf and brought the change, are also behind him.
Therefore, the change in ethiopia is for real. National reconciliation is what is expected of all the stakeholders. Foul play has no place.

Teodros Alem

Selam horizon
I guess a true democracy will be the end result.and thieves and killers will face the justice too .sooner or later.

saay7

Horizon and all:

Dr. Abiy Ahmed is good but he is the Dmitry Medvedev of Ethiopia, he is a seat-warmer until next election for Lemma who can’t hold the seat (per constitution) because he is not a parliamentarian.

For those of you who celebrate organizations and downplay the role of individuals, the same issues (representation, equality) existed when Meles Zenawi was alive and he outmaneuvered his opponents. There is an illuminating article by Hassen Hussein and Mohammed A. from November that appeared in OPride about how he was able to tame Lemma Version 1.0 (Aba Dula) by dissuading him from regional position (when it became apparent that in the Oromiya and Amhara kilils (unlike Somalia and Southern Nations) the EPRDF franchises would operate like opposition parties:) and pulling him to the Federal parliament. The article also explains how TPLF created OPDO to tame OLF… how for decades OPDO was a despised group by its people, how it reversed its fortunes…. It is long but very, very much worth your time

In contrast, TPLF is a tired organization (with no turnover) just running on Ghedli fumes (like its opponents in Eritrea) and there is only so much that guns can do when young people are willing to face a hail of bullets, and indefinite incarceration for their principles.

saay

Teodros Alem

Selam Saay7
Yes he can be the medvedev of ethiopia but his ability is not less than lemma .he is a doc and his acceptance coverage(oromo nationalist+ethiopiawenet+the first Muslim pm) will make him more advantages than lemma.
What do u think?

saay7

Tedros

It doesn’t hurt that he is also fluent in Tigrinya. In theory. How will that be accepted by Ethiopia? I don’t know Teddy: u are the Ethiopian 🙂 In my generation, Ethiopia was so strongly seen as a Christian fortress against the Muslims/Turks/Arabs it would have been unthinkable. After all, the head of State was also the head of the Church. But that was then and this is now and you know this better than I do. We should ask Kaddis and Eyob: they know everything 🙂

Saay

Kokhob Selam

Dear saay7

Why, only those guys? Mr.Horizon is also there… with wisdom and full knowledge ..don’t you think so?

KS,,

saay7

ኣቶ ኮኮብ:

True, true but አንዳንዴ I get the sense that Horizon and Mr KH (specially the latter) ትንሽ ይቆጣሉ when they hear us ባንዳ discussing Ethiopia’s affairs. Don’t u remember the hard pushback I got when I shared the prophetic article of Rene Lafort?

saay

Kim Hanna

Selam saay,
.
I tried to find the article within which Rene Lafont was discussed. I couldn’t find it.
.
You exaggerate. I admit to reading your analysis of Ethiopia closely. I have developed a certain Pavlovian conditioning over the years. I thought, as a writer you deserve an honest feed back.
.
Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam Saay7
I agree with” that was then and this is now” do u know dpm and andm chairman is a muslim?

saay7

Teddy:

Sure…and it’s the defense minister, and the Chief of staff…

But now we are talking about the Head of Government of a state whose 3,000 mythology includes substantial chapters on Christian fortress stuff.

We shall see, said the blind man.

saay

Teodros Alem

Selam Saay7
Yes but dr Abiy gov will have a different cabinet i think. The dpm. Defense ministry, chief of staff and foreign ministry might gonna be different people.

saay7

Teddy,

I have been corrected: I assumed that just because the guy’s last name is Ahmed he is a Muslim. It turns out (according to his bio), nope: he is a protestant.

So, disregard all my arguments based on wrong assumptions.

saay

Teodros Alem

Selam Saay7
Who corrected u , he is from jimma close relative of jimma aba jufar and his wife is a muslim.

Eyob Medhane

Sal,
VOA also wanted to make sure others commit the same mistake as you.. 🙂

Selam saay,
So, he is a protestant. At least his father is a muslim and his mother a christian remain the same. I hope. That’s what i read yesterday.

Kim Hanna

Selam Teodros Alem,
.
This is tongue in cheek……..a little humor to pinch you to wake up.
.
The nerve you have, you an Eritrean already picking out our cabinet posts for us.
.
FYI, I am going to start a campaign to draft, Seye Abraha, as our new Defense Minister and army chief of staff. Would you volunteer to support me/
.
Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam k h
That is funny and i like fun.i really do.

Kaddis

Hi Saay,
I told you Ethiopia was closer to democracy than anyone thought. Just see how Jawar trying to lobby OPDO MPs to drop the state of emergency 🙂 in a serious note, like you said the unity / Amharic centric group is already feeling being left out. They have never tried the existing options and used all their resources to eliminate tplf. That is costing the opposition

saay7

Kaddis:

Well, at least Jawar and the OPDO MPs are talking; does Jawar (Malcolm X) talk with Lemma (MLK)? Malcolm X had this to say about MLK’s “I have a dream” speech:

“Yes, I was there. I observed that circus. Who ever heard of angry revolutionists all harmonizing ‘We Shall Overcome … Suum Day …’ while tripping and swaying along arm-in-arm with the very people they were supposed to be angrily revolting against? Who ever heard of angry revolutionists swinging their bare feet together with their oppressor in lily-pad park pools, with gospels and guitars and ‘I Have A Dream’ speeches? And the black masses in America were – and still are – having a nightmare.”

Day after the crowning of the Oromo leader, I expect to see signs of “Amara Shall Rise Again!” 🙂

saay

Kaddis

Selam Saay
Not sure Lemma and Jawar directly talk but definitely coordinated during the empowerment struggle. Oromos position was / is not comparable with blacks in the US but I see the strategy resemble.
There is a deliberate ignorance / overlooking of OPDO for what it is; not to spoil the ousting of the presumed tplf dominance. Not only the Amharic centrics but the whole nation will be surprised. In general I am optimistic that the political struggle will prevail over the violent protests

saay7

Kaddis:

Who do you think is more surprised by the emergence of OPDO as the ABT*party: the party that created them (TPLF) or the party that it sold out (OLF)? And what do you think will happen to Ginbot, and the other Eri based Ethiopian oppo after the ascendancy to power of Medvedev and Putin to power?

saay

* Anybody but TPLF

Kaddis

Gash Saay.
I am glad you mentioned OLF, the biggest ideological influence of any Oromo movement. However OLF changed towards the ruling party direction not the other way around. It’s core factions and extensions like ODF , Lencho Leta OFC , Merara etc…with the help of the diaspora activists matched their interest in OPDO. I don’t think OPDO changed policy towards OLF. Their meeting point is somehow the constitution. I think the weak resistance of OPDO ascendance within the EPRDF parties comes from their confidence; OPDO is no more susceptible to be converted to OLF. Rather the opposite.
Eritrea based parties could be a liability for the Oromo movement because they can not guarantee the gains so far made by the federal constitution; since they reject it.
I think OLF is not sold out; it’s adopting some changes as well as sold part of it’s ideology to OPDO.
My fear, is if the online activists loose control of the protest (in many incidents mob ) movement. I see signs of deliberate under reporting of incidents by activsts and sudden change of strategy like calling MPS.
We the city dudes need a city party. Any tips appreciated.

saay7

Ato Kaddis:

Tips for your city party… sure, Kaddis, anything for you.

EPRDF claims that it is for the peasantry above all classes, and that these peasants need a vanguard organization (actually, tribal federation) made up of class-conscious (actually, class-conflict instigators) working class (actually, cadres and security-types) to lead the way. The closer one is to class-consciousness (ie. the more connected one is to people who work in the government), the more one contribute to national development (i.e. the more the chances for enrichment)

What does a city slicker need and how can that contribute to national development? Here’s your manifesto:

1. 4G for all. If you are going to drone on and on about Bonapartism and rent-seekers and insist on broadcasting your boring meetings, I would like to tune you out. To do that, I need fast internet access.

2. Paved roads: Since you are using my money to subsidize the peasants with fertilizers, I would like some of that money to go to building the infrastructure I need: paved roads and traffic lights.

3. Affordable cars: I really don’t like walking (that is what peasants do): I would like you to reduce the import tax on cars because I have a friend who can send me a Prius. Also, I need parking lots. Also, when there is moving violation, don’t take my license plate: that’s rude. Just leave me a ticket that I can ignore.

4. No Urinating: Could you please tell your peasants to stop urinating on my wall. Really, you have to stop them from doing that: I don’t ask much–I am paying whatever they are asking for when they are selling me sheep, eggs and tomatoes.

5. Media: Can you EPRDF types run your media and leave the free media to be free. I need to read something enjoyable while I am sipping my latte.

6. Air. Also, come on: quality of air, people. I am ok watching the peasants horses and livestock rudely mounting each other (in front of my kids! Rude!) but can you get the owners to pick up their shit.

enamesegnalen. That’s the tagline of the City Party by the way.

saay

Kaddis

Hi saay,
That’s hilarious. I didn’t bring the need for city party in a patronising way, just in case. Read the SHENEG fb page (sheger liberation front ) it’s refreshing.
Cheers,

saay7

Kaddis:

I am a fan of Sheger Times, of course. Guess who is on the cover? Yup:

Why is it so difficult to see that ethiopia has changed and continuing to change? The problem in ethiopia never was about amhara or tigray ethnic groups, it was always about the ruling elites. I believe that ethiopians have no problem with who rules ethiopia, as long as he/she is a patriot and a democrat, and justice and equality prevail in the land.

If we think that the protest was all about tigrayans and not against the arrogant domination of power by the ruling tplf elites, we will be unjust both to the protesters (oromos and amharas) and the tigrean ethnic group as well. Fanti Ghana said that he is opposed to another tplf pm, and i am sure that there are many tigreans, who stand for the stability of the country . Likewise, many amharas will be disappointed with an amhara pm at this point in time, because this will bring discord among ethiopians and instability to the country.

The ethnic divide is no more as strict as it used to be, a decade or so ago. Ethiopians are coming together for a common ethiopia, whose caretakers are all its ethnic groups. This i think is in every ethiopian mind, except those who have their own personal agenda.

saay7

Selam Horizon:

I am not sure I understand what you are saying. When you say Ethiopia is “has changed and continues to change”, or “ethnic divide is no more strict as it used to be”, can you have a political conversation without mentioning these words:

OPDF or its synonyms (Oromo, Oromia)
Weyane or its synonyms (Tigray, Tigre)
ANDM or it synonyms (Amara, Amhara)

Sure, there is change. It’s the kind of change the happens in Bosnia & Herzegovina every few years (ethnic rotation leadership.) And sure, given that the Oromo at 40% are the largest ethnic group, this change is for the better.

But the truth is change in Ethiopia means that one of the four parties that make up the ruling coalition is gaining power, and another one is losing power. Depending how much of the “deep state” (national security, police, military, treasury) gets affected by this change, the most likely outcome (in a country with no civil society and no opposition institutions) is that this will result in change in the beneficiaries of the spoils system. When you institutionalize ethno politics “my turn!” is the natural outcome.

By the way, when I am writing about Ethiopian politics, always assume there is a footer that appears below my signature which reads: As an Eritrean, I envy that those out of power have some political space to bring about positive change. When I am writing about Ethiopia I am comparing it with its potential and in comparison to the mess Isaias has made north of Mereb.

One should have in mind how ethiopia started this journey and where she is now. A LF that latter called itself a political party, that believes in winner takes all, dominates the political and economic sphere, intimidates citizens, ignores everybody and even does not care to change its name and continues to call itself a LF, becomes almost an authoritarian government.

Do you think that the coming party, opdo or andm, whichever it might be, would act in the same way tplf acted, in a coercive way depending on its military muscle. I believe that nobody will accept a similar scenario in the future. That is why i say ethiopia has changed and continues to change until democracy becomes a reality.

Who expected that opdo and andm would ever see eye to eye, with the bad blood that existed between the two for centuries, and they have now become tplf’s nightmare.

With the intra-ruling-party change you mentioned, no one party in the coalition would ever have the upper hand anymore. When tplf crossed the red line, opdo became more or less the opposition from within the eprdf. It will be the same in the future, and this will be a safety mechanism to avoid dictatorship of the elites of one or the other ethnic group in the eprdf coalition.

What are the chances that the army and the security will be in the hands of an opdo pm? I think that it is minimal. Conditions allowed tplf to be owner of both of these. I think that the same mistake will not be repeated with opdo or andm.
In addition, it is a must that opposition parties should be free to participate in the ethiopian political arena, and the bizarre parliamentary seat that belong 100% to the ruling party should be a thing of the past. Otherwise, no change has come to ethiopia.

Ethno-politics, it is “my turn” now, as you said, comes out of the fact that ethiopia has always been ruled by the two ethnic groups (amharas and tigreans), and it is time that the underdogs show their capabilities, which they were denied and has brought this dangerous situation. Otherwise, in the future a rotating pm may not be the case, but a pm that has the meritocracy to be a pm. Today, ethiopia is at a cross-road, and stability is the main issue.

Teodros Alem

Selam horizon
U said ” who expected that opdo and andm would ever see eye to eye” do u know the leaderships and founders of both parties were a member of epdm?
U also said “the chances the army and security will be in the hands of opdo pm is minimal”.r u saying opdo pm will be a puppet pm like pmhd? Am afraid u guys will never change. Am sorry u guys r a Burden for tigrai, ethiopia even the horn region at large.with this kind of attitude and dis honesty i see still the future is gonna be worst.

Because tplf and eplf put them together for a short period of time before andm and opdo were formed, you believe that they have always been inseparable siamese brothers.
In a democratic country, the army is not the property of any ruling party. Its main job is to protect the nation from external enemies and not to subdue civilians and serve the whims of any would be dictator.
Therefore, it will not continue to belong to tplf as it does now, or any other political party in the future.
As to the rest of your comment, i do not think that you deserve a response from me.

Teodros Alem

Selam horizon
Twisting fuct don’t solve a problem.
1st, they (epdm) were part of eprp . except aba dula used to be derg army surrender to eplf and given to epdm(his chose).he was not a founder of epdm.
2nd u said it urself the army and security will remain as it is and that will give tplf a chance owners of both” and this makes u people non sense and inconsistent don’t konw what u talking about and evil force in the horn region which took the region hostage. And don’t expect peace with this attitude and don’t cry because it is ur wishes in other word.

Kim Hanna

Selam saay,
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“When you institutionalize ethno politics “my turn” is the natural outcome”.
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That is your opinion.
In the 18th and 19th century that opinion might be the case.
In the current Ethiopian experimentation it is more likely than not that ethnic killils as stakeholders of their destiny, will usher in a natural equilibrium that will work. The winner take all and “my turn” of the past has not worked and the same model will not work in the future. Frankly hiding it does not work in Ethiopia, Kenya, Rwanda or Eritrea either.
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The journey Ethiopia is on, as experimental as it is, adjusting here and there, is the best process for the nation as a whole to fuse it into a more perfect union, to quote someone.
That is my opinion.
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By the way your last paragraph is a gem. I will try to use a similar passport when I cross the border, if you don’t mind.
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Mr. K.H

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Kim,

These days the more I read you the more I found you prudent and rationale. “In the current Ethiopian experimentation it is more likely than not that ethnic killils as stakeholders of their destiny, will usher in a natural equilibrium that will work for the whole.” Well said. Actually, when such structural government designed, as we have seen in many countries, it is to give authonomy to the social groups (the centrifugal forces of the state) at the periphery and to create a centripetal force at the center to hold the unity of the state and the nation. As an experiment, so far the public, is understanding the structure slowly but surely that accommodate the equilibrium of the parts. Like what you have said, the experimentation has to proceed by adjusting here and there “to fuse in to more perfect union.”

regards

Teodros Alem

Selam aman h
Let help what i think
1, even though eprdf claim they r for ethnic identity the fact is they doing the opposite. They working 24/7 to confuse and completely change the ethnic symbols and cultures of every ethnic groups in the country except tigrai. So that right there tell u , they(eprdf) r trying to eradicate every ethnic groups identity except tigrai .
2nd, autonomy, u know eprdf works? If u do i don’t ask this kind of questions.
There is eprdf dominated by tplf and any decision will come from eprsf and will be implemented from federal gov. All the way to kebela based on the party(eprdf) policy democratic centeralizm which literally means every body will follow orders from cc of eprdf and implement it with thier(regions) languages.so forget about autonomy.

Kim Hanna

Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
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Ha ha, a while ago I told your buddy MS the same thing. He appeared to chuckle and accepted the compliment.
Thanks.
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Mr. K.H

Nitricc

Hi Kim it all good taking smack but I wonder what would have been your opinion if your child was gunned down by Agazi Army in the streets of Ethiopia. Don’t dismiss the suffering of the people.

Kim Hanna

Selam Nitricc,
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With permission, may I ask you the same flip side of your question?
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Mr. K.H

Nitricc

Hi Kim; it amazes me when you act like the no clue Eritreans. I invite you to watch this short clip and you let me know what the other flip side is. The nation must survive. there is no other flip to compare my friend. get real and i wish you stop acting like the clueless Eritreans.

Selam Nitricc,
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Unfortunately, I was not able to watch the clip. Maybe my computer problem.
I am sure it is some misery in Ethiopia that you wanted me to see. As I told you before, I go back a long time. I have seen misery in the 60s, 70s and 80s. The 90s & 00 play out the unending miseries.
Is the country moving in the direction where the majority of the people will be going out of the natural and man made misery, that is the question. I say YES you say NO.
As Mr. saay says ….Time will tell.
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Mr. K.H

Kbrom

Hello all,

I have been following the insightful discussion between Horizon, Tedros, Kim, saay et al. I trust some how what we are trying to do is scenario analyses. However, I believe the description of a possible future situation that we are trying to draw is in many ways incomplete, one sided leading to wrong conclusions.

The main reason for that seems the lack of articulation of multiple alternative futures and the fact that we are framing our points on perceived premises that is coming from a single readily available information mainly from social media and around the personalities.

We might need to broad the scope of the data and analyze the many factors that would shape the future of Ethiopia. We can start by highlighting the central elements of the key factors, (talking about Dr Abiy in isolation of that context is absolutely meaningless) such us the identification of the key factors that will have a strong and decisive influence over how the future of Ethiopia will unfold, the range of outcomes these key factors could produce, the likely balance of power and the result we get after bundling key factor values together etc.

The assumptions that I believe are leading us to a wrong discussion are the following:

The context of the marathon meetings of EPRDF and its member orgs
The lack of the information that led to the resignation of PM
The assumption that takes TPLF as a weakened org
The assumption that the OPDO leaders are the messiah of change
The exaggerated assumption of the role of individuals in the upcoming change
The assumption that gives little or no weight to the decisive power of the intelligence and security
The assumptions that ANDM is in support of the Oromo’s rule
The assumptions that change is coming only for good of Ethiopia
The weight that is being given to the grassroots and youth
The lack of information on the continuous meeting that is going on behind the curtain especially those by the kingmakers
The assumption that takes OPDO as a unified org that rejects the domination of TPLF
The exaggeration of the role of Dr Abi and Lemma vis a vis the old guards in OPDO
The assumption that EPRDF will not have a decisive role through its 168 members to decide who is going to be the next PM
The assumption that the next PM would be an independent, free and out of the radar of EPRDF
The assumption that TPLF’s intelligence do not have the habit of killing (character and physical) those who do not like to be there
The assumption that the external forces (USA, UK) would not have a great say in the making of the change (if there is any)
The assumption that the role of the OLF and other armed oppo group is near zero
The assumption that the Eritrean role is nothing
The little or no weight given to the small ethnic group ብሄር ብሄረሰቦች who see their fate is linked to ethnic federalism
The assumption that there is consensus to see a rule by Oromo
The assumption that the intra EPRDF and intra member orgs change of personalities
is considered as a change for Ethiopia
The assumption that MZ did not have the same problem and did not intimidate the leaders who tried the same thing before
The little wight that is given to the abstract king makers (like aboy Sbhat)
The assumptions that depend on the visible acts media, social media whilst what is really happening is behind the scenes.

Tip: when lately PMHD started to act independently including his decision (yes it was his) to release the prisoners, the TPLF was not happy. They mobilised people inside the EPRDF and his party and criticised and humiliated PMHD harshly, and hinted that he should submit his resignation. They were disheartened the way he sympathised with the anti government uprising.

The TPLF accused PMHD as weak, useless, indecisive and docile when military action is needed ‘against undemocratic elements’ (whatever that means). Nevertheless, they did not expect him to submit his resignation that soon. He did not tell them at all. That surprise resignation was the main reason for announcing state of emergency. That is why they have asked (ordered) him to stay as long as they want him, may be till March.

Teodros Alem

Selam k brom
Assumption is always the problem. Sometimes the assumtion is completely different from the reality.
One thing i can tell u is that, the assumption is purposefully created by ebc, eprdf/tplf cyber warriors and it’s supporters the likes of horizon, kim, fanti , abi, amde , addis standard, the reporters and so money others.
What i don’t understand is the purpose of creating assumption.
What u think it is? Don’t bother to answer. But one thing is for sure is the reality in ethiopia and the assumption people have in ethiopia including the people inside the country is so different.
By the way listen to dr Abiy speech about words(kale)

saay7

Hahah Kbrom:

I like how you told us the contributions are “insightful” and then gave us 25 reasons why they are not😀 As your and MaHmuday’s peeps say,ብዙሕ ዝነኣድ ኣይኮነን:: But, but, but, as Amde Da Pillar (h/t: TsaTse) says: what is the whole point of using a pen name if one can’t make bold forecasts? Your contribution sounds like one of those pundits who show up on TV to itemize all the inputs and then when asked what will happen say, “Time Will Tell” 🙂

So, my predictions:

1. Wedi aboy Ahmed Ali will be the Seat-Warmer Prime Minister. (You don’t go to all that maneuvering of (I am an MP and I am the Chairman of EPRDF-founding-member Party) unless you are making a move, and to do it so transparently that you make it look like if you don’t get it, you “wuz robbed”;
2. Lemma Obama will be the 5-year prime minister.
3. The National Security Complex will be firmly in place. (Exhibit: some of the recently released Oromo leaders were detained when they were going to participate in conduct contrary to the state of emergency.)
4. The EPRDF orgs will be having a huge identity crisis: are we for “revolutionary democracy” or are we for decentralized federal system. (Refer to video presented by Abraham about Abay Tsehaye where TPLF seniors seems genuinely confused by the OPDO abandoning vanguardism in favor of populism)
5. There will be a reversal of roles in social media with Oromo affiliated media downplaying human rights violations and Tigray/Amara but specially Somalia kilil highlighting human rights violations. The common refrain of Tigrayans is that the TPLF has been (in the interest of National Unity) refusing to speak up about HR violatons endured by them.
6. If article 39 was the most controversial article in the 1990s and 2000s (which is all about abstract stuff), what will be the most controversial in the 2010s and 2020s is Article 9: Freedom of Movement and the right of any Ethiopian to live anywhere vs protectionism and provincial autonomy.
7. “Time will tell”.😁😂

saay

Kbrom

Selam saay,

Ha! Whether the input was just time will tell or not, let’s wait, time will tell.

Now let’s see what I think time will tell.
EPRDF will convene its extra ordinary meeting
1. The main objective will be ‘to send a strong message that EPRDF is intact and nothing has changed’.
2. They will have a non – Tigrayan PM, (most likely from Oromo but not necessarily from Oromo, it could be from another unheard of (ብሄር ሄረሰቦች but definitely handpicked/endorsed by the power, influence, intimidation and all other tools at the hands of the TPLF.
3. The main criteria is loyalty to EPRDF; the nick name of TPLF
4. The mistrust will continue between the ethnically organised parties
5. TPLF will continue to be more cautious about OPDO,
6. TPLF will make no difference between OPDO and the popular uprising, It will continue to use its old user guide that is framed on PMMZ’s attitude: ‘OPDO is like a scratch off lottery ticket: You scratch an OPDO and you are sure to find a disguised OLF.’
7. As a result of all these combinations the same system will come to surface: የሻገተው እንጀራ በኣዲስ መሶብ
8. People will say our problem was not PMHD it is the unconstitutional governance and will go back to the streets
9. Things got worse the TPLF agrees to go to plan B that is more concessions and new landscape
10. The big powers intervene and call for truth and reconciliation as well as transitional government
11. All the wait and see Ethiopian elite start to talk and form their own party to have their representation
12 A new inclusive Ethiopia emerges or
13.Things get worst disintegration and civil war comes as remote possibility

Remote scenario
In the mean time TPLF will work on invoking PIA’s favourite article – A-39, however the first condition to do so would be normalising relation with Eritrea; after all the strong support of TPLF to Eritrea’s independence was to have a fall back country; heh! they know that they can not fight the south and the north at the same time.

BTW do you know what is article 39 in the Eritrean constitution. Here you go!

The President shall ensure respect of the Constitution; the integrity and dignity of the State; the efficient management of the public service; and the interests and safety of all citizens, including the enjoyment of their fundamental rights and freedoms recognised under this Constitution.

Les éléphants continuent à se battre alors que l’herbe souffre

saay7

Kbur Kbrom:

From the long inputs, let me focus on this:

6. TPLF will make no difference between OPDO and the popular uprising, It will continue to use its old user guide that is framed on PMMZ’s attitude: ‘OPDO is like a scratch off lottery ticket: You scratch an OPDO and you are sure to find a disguised OLF.’

Now, let me quote a para from the excellent piece that appear in OTimes.

During one mediation effort, held in Sen’afe, Eritrea, Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia’s future Prime Minister, offered to disband OPDO and hand them over to its nemesis, the OLF. Caught off guard by the unexpected concession, the OLF delegation led by Lencho Leta, already used to Zenawi’s theatrical performances, first gave out a poker face. Come the morning, Zenawi’s colleagues, including Siye Abraha, Ethiopia’s future defense minister, had talked him out of the “crazy” idea.

So, of course, to the TPLF, the Oromo and Amara franchises were nothing more than locals to assist its march from Mekele to Addis. OLF, OPDO, tomato, tomahto. They were supposed to handle their franchise quietly but then they decided to be an opposition party because the TPLF had cleared the entire opposition. Before you showed up, we had a TPLF insider (T Kifle) who spent most of his time telling us what broken people we Eritreans are; the only time I saw him seriously upset and demoralized is when he first got wind of what OPDO was up to.

saay

Kbrom

Ato saay

I do believe we have to make a fair evaluation to assess the colossal task that the TPLF had been through in the last 26 years. Let’s remember that they were endowed with the responsibility to bring Ethiopia out from the bondage of despair, decline and underdevelopment.

When they enter Addis, history has imposed on them harshly the enormous task of finding solutions to one of the most diversified and populated country with a pressing accumulated challenges. They took over a state that has been embroiled and divided in ancient loyalties. The country had a chronic history of ethnic and regional conflicts and at a time one ethnic group that gets preferential treatment. It was not easy for a revolutionary organisation that came out from a 17 years’ war with no state experience to have a miracle skills of an art of designing appropriate institutions and convert the inevitable conflict into peaceful channels. I am not condoning any acts, what I am trying to state is that the task was giant, the exam was difficult and the student failed – TPLF got F.

The ambiguity of being ‘Tigrai’s liberation front’ and the last minute change of heart (parallel to the march to Debretabur and Korem) to control Ethiopia and be a national institution has its own negative input in their making. Its not clear why it took them 17 years to realise that the ‘liberation of Tigray’ was not the viable approach to Ethiopia’s problem. Hindsight bias and creeping determinism? maybe!

Teodros Alem

Selam kebrom
What u talking about ethiopia is/was not a reality. It is perception(most probably politically motivated propaganda)leads u assumption.so what u urself talking about r assumption .is not based on fact.

Kbrom

Merhaba Tedros,

Thank you for sharing your feedback with me.I really appreciate you taking the time to give me your feedback.

In order to learn more from your valuable feedback and to collaboratively improve the discussion, I would appreciate if you can be more specific with your suggestions and have the tone of discussion, not a one-sided rant.That way will lead us towards positive change; because when offering criticism only the highly focused on particulars and not the general set of issues bear fruit.

Please keep the constructive criticism up as it is the only way we can learn about our weaknesses.

Have a great evening

Teodros Alem

Selam kbrom
I will make it up just fine.
U talked about ethiopia was about to disintegrated, the country had a chronic history of ethnic and regional conflict and one ethnic that get preferential treatment….bla bla .by the time when tplf made it to addis .so u want me to disapprove if it is a reality of perception right?

Kbrom

Sir,

Again thank you for the second post, I am not sure if I understood your post as it is still generic. More importantly it is incorrect. For the record here is what I said.

a) I did not say Ethiopia was about to disintegrate, TPLF saved it
b) I did say taking into consideration the highly diverse (comprising over 80 different ethnic groups and 90 individual languages spoken, plus its feud history, the task of creating a united and inclusive Ethiopia was colossal
c) I did say ‘the exam was difficult and the student failed – TPLF got F’.

In the part of the world I live F represents failed, if that is not the case in where you live and F stands for saved, then I do apologies for the misunderstanding. If like in her in your area also F represents failure, then I regret that you are not able to read things exactly as they are said.

Teodros Alem

Selam kbrom
Don’t forget we were talking about assumption.
1st, tplf was and still is tigrai liberation front.
2nd, yes in ethiopia there is over 80 languages like the rest of the world
3rd, the feudal system was gone overthrown 17 years before tplf came to addis.
4th, as for as i can remember most of the derg supporters was people from the south.
5th, tplf got F the first day when they imposed their ideology outside of tigrai.
6th, what happened and happening in tigrai(the war,the drought, the hate to other people…..) doesn’t mean it happed in the rest of ethiopia.so don’t generalize . it will affect ur assumption.
7th, i don’t have a respect for lier, thief, a killer, twisted heart and so on. Excuse me for that.

Karl Marx had said “Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past”.

Unfortunately, what tplf tried to do was to change ethiopia tailored to fit its own long-term hegemonic interests, and not solely the interest of the masses, and that is the reason ethiopia is where she is today.

Even if tplf tries to go any direction it likes, there is no chance that it will fulfill its dream of superiority it might have in mind. It can only be equal to others, and never above others. This, of course holds true for every ethiopian ethnic group.

Kim Hanna

Selam Horizon,
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I just wanted to state my observation and understanding with the information I have digested up to now.
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TPLF began their movement in tandem and cooperation with EPLF to the stated goal of liberating Tigray.
They grew in strength partially through the blunders of Derg.
They morphed into EPRDF together with other Jr. Ethiopian movements against the Derg and succeeded in toppling it.
The following point is critical to emphasize.
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TPLF stabilized Ethiopia from the verge of disintegration to what it became in the last 20 plus years.
They deserve credit for keeping Ethiopia intact until today. Ethiopia today is in its best position it has ever been in its history with 100 million souls. That needs to be boldly underlined.
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Now, I am not saying no bad things happened in the last 20 plus years, far from it.
The question at the moment is have they reached the point of diminishing returns and a new 4 lane highway need to be constructed that includes them for the next 25 years.
That is where we are. There are a lot of political adjustments taking place at the moment.
The HOPE is the cool heads from all sectors move to that sweat spot to move the country for the next 25 years on that 4 lane highway. That is the sacred mission.
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(For the long term thinkers: after the next 25 years they might be planning for an 8 lane highway, I wonder what that look like.)
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Mr. K.H

Teodros Alem

Selam k h
That is really funny, specially when u say “tplf stabilized ethiopia from the verge of disintegration”,
Fact, from tplf creation(43 years ago) until now tplf is the one working hard against unity for disintegration of ethiopia . the reason why tplf didn’t implement its disintegration policy is because of eritrean factors.it already did once .
U guys r clueless comedians.
Is that dna thing all of u r funny?

I am not sure if chance and circumstance made tplf to delete temporary its agenda of independent tigray, or the wish to save ethiopia from disintegration. Other factor that come to my mind is, independence does not mean regardless of what is going to happen in the rest of ethiopia, peace and economic prosperity for tigray. This fact, i believe, existed at the back of the minds of tplf leaders. Moreover, we should not forget external factors, especially the west, and the role they played before and after the fall of the derg.

Indeed, ethiopia today is in a much better condition economically, but not politically as we see. The billions of dollars poured into ethiopia post 1991 has no comparison in ethiopian history, without denying that tplf tried to use it to show results. That i think is its positive side.

The problem with tplf all these years has been that it tried to tell ethiopians my way or the highway, i know everything you need, just shut up and sit and say nothing, which showed its arrogant nature. That is where democracy comes, its Achilles heel, which brought it on a head on collision with the rest of ethiopians.

As long as Tplf continues to represent the people of tigray, it will continue to be relevant in ethiopian politics in the future, but it should come with a different policy that accommodates the rest of ethiopians as well, and it should lower its desire a notch or two.

Finally, unless all groups stand for national reconciliation and unity and they find a formula acceptable to all, everybody will be a loser. Reaching a solution is a necessity and not an option, and ethiopia will come out of this crisis in one piece, stronger than before.

blink

Dear saay
I have an Ethiopian friend, he knows everything about you and I have come to know your work through him , we have been living in one city for 6 years in a row , he thinks you (saay) and people like you are the hidden weapons of Eritrea against any bad move by weyane and their cry baby Eritrean sale outs . I continue to believe you are a responsible and reasonable person who doesn’t go on hunting , on the opposite he continue to believe you are someone who will kill people if you have to , only to protect Eritreans in General. I bring many evidence to convince him that you are just ordinary Eritrean with a superb skill . Yet he remain on his perception that you hate TPLF more than the Dictator. One question remains moronic, as we all know PFDJ committed crime over your family and still you hold your ground to advocate for Eritreans and Eritrea, how do you do that Saay ? Is there any secret water your family drinks to see Eritrea above family members??? How is that possible saay ?

Berhe Y

Hi blink,

I know we are not on speaking terms but you never seem to amaze me with comments you make sometime.

I think there are like 4 different blink on rotating shift.

Let’s start with your last sentence.

“PFDJ committed crime over your family and still you hold your ground to advocate for Eritreans and Eritrea, how do you do that Saay ?”

I know saay family have paid dearly but, do you the irony in your question?

Do you think and believe PFDJ = Eritrea?

PFDJ criminals are no more than 3000. They are not Eritrea and they don’t represent Eritrea. I have never seen ONE thing the PFDJ did for the best interest of Eritrea and ERITREAN people, at least since the split become obvious starting 2001. How do you not see the rational in saay and all other Eritreans who oppose PFDJ and love Eritrea.

The second point:

You learn about saay in the last 6 years from an Ethiopian? How old are you man? 19. Did you leave Eritrea 6 years ago?

Which leads me to the next question, if you didn’t know saay in 1998 – 2000, you are probably the last person to KNOW anything about Eritreas opposition that you demean day and out.

It’s like someone claims, I am CHRISTIAN day and night but he had no idea who Jesus is.

Day and night, in all your comments you demean the opposition, but saay is the God father of all Eritreans who opposed the PFDJ. If you didn’t know anything about him, how do you know about the rest.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
I am asking saay as Eritrean and you should ask to your Ethiopians . Do I need to make it clear that you are Ethiopian weyane crony who will die inside 1991 times a day . You have one choice and that is be real to yourself. Your adwa party is over .

saay7

Blink:

I have to say both you and your Ethiopian friend are mistaken. I am an average Eritrean, who comes from an average Eritrean family, who just happens to love writing and I ocassionally have something worth saying. The rest of the time I am overwhelmed by a deep sense of inadequacy when it comes to Eritrea simply because what the country and the people demand of (and are entitled from) us continues to be unmet, year after year after year. Today, for example, there was a huge demonstration in Israel by Israelis opposed to their government’s decision to deport (against their will) tens of thousands of Eritreans and Sudanese. I, we, most of us, consider this too huge a task and haven’t even spoken about it all week, all month. And this is just ONE example from today. If I was as your friend described, the test to raise the gun was not against Ethiopians but, a few years ago, against the Sinai criminals who were selling, torturing, raping, organ harvesting Eritreans. That, Blink, is when all of us Eritreans–pro and opposed to government–demonstrated our total powerlessness.

And, please go easy on Berhe Y: he is as Eritrean as you and me….if you are into gene/heredity counting, I can guarantee you he is “more” Eritrean. That is one of our weaknesses Blink: because we are unable to reverse Ethiopia’s occupation of Badme, because we are unable to reverse Isaias changing Eritrea into his fiefdom, we just turn against each other.

saay

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Kibrom,

I like the way you pack your ideas (agreed or disagreed). Very easy to identify your stand and positions. That in itself very essential in debates. Now, I have seen you to predict on Ethiopian realities two to three times. Could you do the same predicts on our realities?

Kbrom

Akbrotawi selamta Ema

I couldn’t agree more. One of the reasons being the culture of political suffocation and intolerance with no space to talk and discuss. See what we do in this forum, we talk a lot about Ethiopian politics, try the same thing in regard to Eritrea the third trail would come with ጸርፊ ይፈልጠካ እንድየ ወያነ ሲኣአ ህግደፍ ንሕና ንሱ ሽፍታ። people tend to avoid that part of discussion not because they do not want discussion but because they dislike to be drown in to that murky lowest level.

Kbrom

More over…

the reason we can analyse about any other country is because we have two or more variables in that equation thus, it is very easy to identify a solution to an equation with given and known numbers as well as by using inverse operations.

In our case it is difficult to analyse any scenarios where you do not have any variable i.e. where the constitution, the king, the PM, the Chief of Staff, the party leader, the Rwanda cyclist reception guest of honour, the spokesperson, the designator, the resigner, the Lemma, the Abie, the OPDO, the PMHD, the TPLF, the EPRDF, the EBC, the state, the federal, the civic society, the NGO, the FIFA coach, the interviewee, the engineer, the economist, the stock market CEO, the funeral director is one person.

Can you try to solve this equation with the same variable of E on both sides, E being PIA

9E+4=−5E+14+13E + 14 + 13E

The answer would be yes
E= whatever E thinks is right. No analysis, no prediction. How could you dare to unless you have the access to E’s brain.

saay7

Kbrom:

For whatever it’s worth, Addis Fortune has identified the following as the four hopeful:

1 candidate from OPDO (newly-minted Chairman, and MP Abiy Ahmed)
1 candidate from ANDM (Chairman of party, and MP and one of 3 DPMs, Demeke Mekonnen)
2 candidates from SEPDM (the outgoing PMs party) and they are Shiferaw Shegute (MP, and Minister of Education) and Siraj Fegessa (MP, Defense Minister)

For reasons I can completely go out on a limb for, Demeke and Shiferaw have no chance (I think.)

Here’s one game changer that would create 10 times the excitement of Abiy and Lemma: a female candidate. Who would dare be against that?

saay

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Saay,

Not at all. It is unusual. I think he may be referring to EPRDF’s partial explanation to last year’s disturbance as possible work of Egypt and Eritrea. I believe he is sarcastically asking whether those killing Tigrayans in Oromiya and Amhara are “internal or external Arabs.”

Kim Hanna

Selam Kbrom,
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I have no issues with your post. In fact I agree wholeheartedly.
I admit to you I am working with a limited knowledge of facts. Very limited indeed.
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I have taken the limited information I have and using the prism of the past, suggest for a more likely hopeful conclusion.
The main reason I did that is to counterbalance the other scenario that is presented with the same set of incomplete facts and information to an entirely different conclusion. In my opinion unhopeful conclusion.
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Of course, as you know if Awatistas waited for a more complete information, there won’t be much discussion.
I would love to hear, for example, from T.Kifle as to what he thinks is going on even if he doesn’t have a complete information. It would have added to the clarity of the great jigsaw puzzle.
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I do enjoy your posts. I appreciate your participation.
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Mr. K.H

Amanuel Hidrat

Hey Saay (Aya Adi’U)

I like your foot note as you have put it in the last paragraph of your comment. To envy in what they have attained and wish them to workout in all their shortcoming is a wisdom of solidarity.

regards

Peace!

Dear Horizon,

What you and Kim Hanna have in common is you guys(girls) are more interested to see Ethiopia that irritates Arabs than a democratic and peaceful Ethiopia for Ethiopians which is a very unique position for the forums to understand and give you logical feedback.

What you guy (girl) is interested in is to sustain dictatorship in eritrea even though it has proved over the years that it is the number one enemy of the eritrean people. I do not understand how you miss this fact.

Peace!

Horizon,

Thank you, you just proved my point, Mr. Whataboutism 🙂

Peace!

Berhe Y

Dear Peace,

Why would be Ethiopia interested in irritating the Arabs. Except with Egypt, even that was done remotely, for the most part it has no reason to do so. And who exactly from past Ethiopian leaders has done. Past conflict with Sudan / Somalia (not exactjy Arabs) was more on self interest.

Why would any Arab (with the exception of Egypt) have interest in the affairs of Ethiopians, any more than any other African country. Same goes for Ethiopia.

Berhe

Peace!

Hi Berhino,

I invite you to read it again, I didn’t say Ethiopia would be interested… Horizon, Abi, and Kim Hanna are too hateful to Arabs to the extent they don’t mind compromising the wellbeing of the country.

An oromo and at the same time a Muslim, possibly a pm in ethiopia, will break the centuries old tablet on which was written, “only a christian amhara or a tigrean will hold power in ethiopia”.

Ethiopia will absolve herself in the eyes of our oromo people and the other ethnic groups. All of them will come forward and say, we are also caretakers of ethiopia, as the oromo ethnic group is saying today, and without us there is no ethiopia or will ever be one, and without ethiopia we are insignificant and more or less nonexistent.

On the the religious side, a Muslim pm in ethiopia will change the opinion of the neighboring arab/muslim countries about ethiopia. She will be seen with a favorable eye, and this may even change the relation of the two religions in a positive way in the whole region.

The two guys Abiy and Lemma seem to be accepted not only by their ethnic group and party, but also by amharas and others as well.

If Abiy is mediedev, and Lemma is not going to be the bad putin. Βoth are competent politicians, the one will complement the other, and the duet could bring the birth of a new ethiopia, by crossing ethnic lines, and creating a peaceful, harmonious, prosperous and democratic country, because the failed politics of the past is not going to benefit either the oromo ethnic group or ethiopia in general. As long as both guys are working from within the same party, on the same side, it will be less difficult for both until the next elections, when things will clear up.

Tplf was like a demigod sitting at the same table with its creations, until they revolted against the master and gained the upper hand. Mz was able to play with his pawns; and such things will lead to confrontation if repeated today.

Moreover, it depends on the long term plan each group has in his mind. Another hundred years of oromo elite rule, similar to what amharas and tplf had in mind, does not seem plausible, even though, political power is an addictive drug. In addition, at least for the time being, they do not seem to suffer from that hereditary disease, similar to amharas or a tigreans, that they should rule ethiopia forever. It could be acquired though. God forbid. Nobody should be surprised in the least when an afar, a somali, a gambelan, etc, show up at the power table in the future.

What matters most now is that tplf is no more the sole owner of power. Ethiopia will be more stable with a pm who comes from the largest ethnic group, approved by other ethnic groups as well, and an ethiopian muslim, My two birr worth.

(p.s. Thanks for the link, and i will read it with the first chance i get).

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Awatawian,

OPDO elect Dr Abiy Ahmed as Chairman of their party and Lemma Megerssa as dupty. Dr Ahmed is positioned for PM candidate by his party.

Teodros Alem

Selam aman h
That makes it ur argument the other day about dpm, the constitution and ahead of us , bla bla is wrong.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam TA,

How do you know he will be a PM before the meeting of EPRDF? He is only positioned by his party to be a candidate, after the 15 member executive committee elected him as chairman of the organization. The other coalition parties have their own candidates to compete for. Just wait for the process to take its course. There is nothing wrong him to be PM as far as the coalition agreed to. We wish him good luck.

Saleh Johar

Amanuel,
They should elect Fanto Ghana as Prime Minister and everything will be dandy. How come they do not realize that?

Amanuel Hidrat

Abu Salah,

Do you know whom you are absenting by simply stating that?

woldeab

Amanuel,
What an idiotic statement from a self righteous man.
Now I know what Abi said about you is NOT far from the truth.
Your trite statement not withstanding, no one has ever said I (they) are not Ethiopians.
Tigray is Ethiopia.
Rest assured about that.
Leave Ethiopia for us. Start pontificating about something else.

woldeab

Selam Saleh,
I always thought that you were an astute observer of the human race. Now you have disappointed me to no end.
I am aware that the gentleman you mentioned overflows with the milk of human kindness for Eritreans but I have yet to read anything from him regarding the situation in Ethiopia.
When we report what is happening in Ethiopia he will tell us he will get back at us and we never hear from him.
So in short you all can have him.
What is disappointing to me is he and I more than likely drank from the same well a long time ago.
My two cents worth.

Teodros Alem

Selam Woldeab
I think mr saleh johar is kidding.
His name is not fanto , fanti.
I guess.

Saleh Johar

Woldeab,
Losen up, dear. By the way, that is the main ailment of most of us Abyssinian politicians–always stiff and on the edge. It was my feeble attempt to lighten you up a little

woldeab

Saleh,
Loose as a goose here. I am not exactly tone deaf. Just had to let you guys know what I think of his ostrich like stand.
I still love him but not for my President.
About 20 years ago a tee shirt design with ሐበሻነቴ ኩራቴ was selling like hot cakes. Now …..

No harm no foul.
Woldeab

Fanti Ghana

Selamat woldeab,

Speaking of astute observation, here you are being disappointed of an Eritrean who wishes an “Eritrean Lover” to be Ethiopian PM! Hmm.

One day, I promise you, I will have your vote!

Teodros Alem

Selam fanti
I think woldeab has no problem for an “eritrean lover” to be ethiopian pm. I think his problem is an “ethiopian hater” to be ethiopian pm. I think u miss understood him.

Thomas

HI SJG,

Your recommendation is absolutely acceptable but it has become more about ethnicity than qualification as an individual. Moreover, you are providing doses of drugs to the DIA supporting and I suspect that might add to their insanity. We all know that they are preparing to put a little make up to their masters. This is as if what is going on in Ethiopia has to do with what their boss/DIA is doing in Eritrea. The entire world has ignored the PFDJ people. Their only hope to see if Ethiopia can be any attention to them.

Teodros Alem

Selam Thomas
As for me it is all about fairness, ethiopiawenet( dr Abiy has it) and a transition to a true democracy .
And he has a support of one ethio people , oromo people and the Muslim community will be happy too , i think . which means over 90% of ethiopians will be happy or somehow ok with it .

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

The question is will you be happy? How about if he is someone who likes to declare wars with neighbor countries and used the wars to stay in power for too long by making national security as an excuse? Good example is DIA for his ruling Eritrea without a constitution by making the no war no peace with Ethiopia as an excuse.

Teodros Alem

Selam Thomas
Like i said if dr ABIY is not influenced by tplf and some of the old eprdf ethiopia and eritrea relationship will be much much better than the current one for so many reasons.

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

On the Ethio-Eri relationships, how do you know the replacement of the current one by the new dude/Dr. Ahmed will normalize the relationship between these two countries? Why would the next leader of Ethiopia be nice to dictator Issayas? How do you for sure now these things?

Teodros Alem

Selam Thomas
1st, either eritrea is a dictator or not i don’t think is gonna bother the leadership in ethiopia. Sudan, Uganda and so on r a dictator. The reason tplf had a fight with eritrea is nothing to do with dictatorship. It is everything to do with tplf ideology(most eritrea(tigragn eri) r tigraians). So if this ideology no longer in absolute control of ethiopia. It will be easier to normalize the relation between ethio_eri.

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

When did I say that the problem with Ethiopia not making peace with Eritrea is because they see a dictator in Eritrea? Can I give a hint since you brought this to me? May be they don’t want to make peace with Eritrea not because of the dictator but because they see the dictator not a stable leader. They don’t trust signing deals with the dictator because the dictator will never stop shooting at everyone including his own people. The other thing you might need to know is the dictator never wants peace with any country because his agenda is NOT to see Eritrea and Eritreans to prosper but weaken and totally destroyed. Good example, he never tried to stop the 5000/month youth migration and addressing to youth migration issue he said “let them go because they are going for a vacation”. You don’t want me to go on with what he is doing to Eritrea and her people.

Teodros Alem

Selam Thomas
My opinion
Tplf accepted eritrea independence from ethiopia but not from tigrai. They probably tell us 24/7 they accept eritrea independence but if u see them thier propaganda and thier policy toward eritrea will tell u that tigrai is not done with the tigragn speaking eritreans.and tplf use different technic to make tigragn speaking eritrea(including some port) to be part of tigrai in a long run(aman h and a lot of them working for it) .first divide eritrea along religion lines and let tigragn speaking eri to become closer to tigrai and than that will lead to tigrai/tigragn .
So if tplf is not the main power in ethiopia i don’t think the reat of ethiopians will bother about it.(why would they?)

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

Wait wait wait. Are you Ethiopian or Eritrean because last time I asked you, you said you are from Ethiopia. Now, what do you mean when you say “They probably tell us 24/7 they accept eritrea independence…………” The “us” part is misleading. Are you indicating that you are Eritrean? Are you not sure of your identity? I am confused now.

On the tplf wanted take the kebesa lands and the kebesa people to be integrated to tigray claim, you are not really make sense. How is this so? You are accusing the tplf holding power and never wanted to share it with the rest of Ethiopians and now they wanted part of Eritrea? Take your pick, you seem to be a confused man. If they had a desire of what you are saying, why did they approve a referendum by only the Eritrean people and then after the badme war they never claimed any of our ports or whey would the approve for the border commission? The border commission was set to draw lines on between the common borders (mostly between Eritrea and Tigray region)?

Teodros Alem

Selam Thomas
Tplf say 24/7 in public they accepted even fought for eritrean independence but practically they do the opposite.how is that sound am confirming my citizenship?
And reread tplf’s policy of nations and nationality. Their core principal.

Thomas

Hi Teodros,

You are not getting it. The question is why would Dr. Abiy or whatever his name is work to normalize the relationship of these two countries? How about if this PM thinks the current path is the right path and he wants to change no prior policy be it on foreign or on domestic? How about even if he decides to not to accept the entire border ruling or not to speak with the DIA regime or continue the current path?

Kim Hanna

Selam Mr. Johar,
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I object, Your Honor. He is too nice.
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Mr. K.H

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Mr. Kim Hanna,

That is only the tip of the iceberg, hahaha!

Never mind the fact that I am totally against a Tigrayan PM for the foreseeable future, and also, I am strongly advocating for an Oromo PM myself, but you have no idea how unqualified I am anyway. Believe me, I am not trying to be modest, but I cringe by the thought of it.

Although it already looks like it is a forgone conclusion, it is only fair we all recognize the fact that, if not late it definitely is time for an Oromo leader. Regardless of the few bumpy roads we will have to travel to get there, ultimately, Oromos are the pillar that will hold Ethiopia together for generations to come.

Some people may argue that we should look for qualification instead of ethnicity when electing leaders, but we cannot deny our reality and we should strive to balance the two.

A person cannot live by logic alone!

iSem

Hi Fanti:
A lot of people are for an Ormo PM, that is makes sense if according the EPRDF coalition , the majority of the memebers are from Oromo. But given the TPLF grip over the power, would the Oromo PM have power? If it is just for decoration, to appease and the PM is a TPLF lackey, the ppl will catch on it and the country will back to where it is now, unrest and uprising
Eritrea lived through that, when it installed Romadan as EPLF secretary but he had no power even to convene a meeting. The power was with the secret party, whose general secretary was IA and hence our ills

How about if a Tigrayan is elected as the leader by the support of the smaller killils like the south?
The calculus of ethnic /region is important in brokering power in diverse countries like Ethiopia and the ethnic federalism was a good start but now TPLF needs to transfer power to the people, like the whites did to blacks in South Africa.The military leadership, the security, the institutions. all need to reflect the country
I think is issue is for genuine change not cosmetic one like installing a PM from the majority ethnic group.Correct me, but at issue are the land grabbing and annexing to Tigray region and the distribution of wealth. What can an Oromo PM who is beholden to EPRDF, which is beholden to TPLF do without the implementation of true change, can he calm the uprising by waving his hand like Mandella? PMHD if he has the room to wiggle and could do the need changes I do not think the uprising would be this strong, he was acting like a ceremonial head of state rather than an executive with real power.
How much power would an Ormo PM will have to effect change and how willing can a Tigryan PM would be for real change is the important question

Nitricc

Hi Semere; The other day I ask why Ethiopia the only country follows the prime mister system in Africa and no one really addressed the question there is a very good reason for that but that is for another day. Now, why not go back to presidential system and let people choose their president!

Amanuel Hidrat

Nitrickay,

If you could discover why Canada, Great Britain, Israel, India, Japan etc chose premiership than Presidential, then Ethiopia could not have different reason than those countries as to why it chose premiership than presidential. I think when you asked me, I let it to be your homework. There is no anything that satisfy anyone than to find the answer that comes as question to your mind. So try to make some research yourself and be sometime a self-learned individual.

iSem

hi Nitricc: sorry for the late rel=ply
I did not read that question. But why do u think presidential system is better than prime ministerial?
And there is no reason for ethiopia to follow other african countries
Even if a country has prime ministerial, it can still define strict succession planning in its const, if the office of pm becomes vacant. Since parliamentary system elects a party, the party can quickly chose its prime minister in days. But since the USA presidential sylte elects president directly, there is succession planned without going for election, their process is long, they have the primaries the parties do not just assemble and come up with their nomination, it will take 2 yrs. Eri is presidential and it does not have succession planning if prez dies, but the national assembly can elect a president just like the party does if it is in power in parliamentary system. What is makes things complicates in Ethio is EPRDF, it is not one party, as u know it is a coalition so every party is angling for the position for PM. Think of it like this: if next time a party outside EPRDF is elected and Pm office is vacant they party can elelect pm in hours to replace him
But for the merits of presidential or parliament is a different debate both have advantages and disadvantages

Fanti Ghana

Selamat Memhir,

I thought you loved Ethiopia?

Saleh Johar

Prime Minister Fanti,
Of course, I love it. That is why I am electing you to be its leader. Don’t you think I have the right to elect a PM of Ethiopia when I can’t do it in Eritrea?

Kim, the reason cannot be the objection 🙂

Haile S.

Selam Saleh,
With Tewodros II, he will be the second emperor to walk with a dagger on his waist.

Saleh Johar

Haile,
That is what I miss–a display of dignified warrior culture, not the brute one. I am sure his dagger with be dignifying to the dagger and prove it’s not for killing innocents…. Nah, he will never be another Brute Tedros who throws his soldiers over the cliff for losing a war 🙂

Most Ethiopians have voted for change, and political change in ethiopia at this point in time means an oromo pm residing at arat killo palace. Recycling tplf will do a big damage to ethiopia and create instability. It seems that the die is cast, and there is no going back.

Tplf’s term in power characterized by domination has expired, and ethiopians want it to come back again for future elections, after a thorough self criticism and extensive renovation.

Saleh Johar

I am noticing that Horizon,
Now I am hoping the Ethiopian policy towards Eritrea will be from the Ethiopian centric perspective… two decades of narrow policies didn’t help Eritreans opposition at all. From where I stand, that is wish number 1. All luck towards peace and prosperity. Would this interest you 🙂 https://goo.gl/1K5C56

To the Awate family, this is a MUST LISTEN video. I am not exaggerating in the least. Those of you who speak amharic, please, don’t lose the chance. It will help a lot in our discussion about ethio-eritrean politics.

Kokhob Selam

Hi Horizon,

I thought of making this point at this weekend in Jebena page with great poem of mine ..What do you think?

It reveals in the most vivid way the historic facts and their repercussion on today’s political quagmire the two countries have found themselves in. The speaker also gives us a realistic solution, which is achievable, provided there is the good will.

blink

Dear SG
You have the right to elect only and if only you have that passport. If not you will be arrested for any reason that has to do working for your country Eritrea. I heard Eritreans are always Eritreans except the unionists of the 1950th . Trade carefully sir , time is changing.

Saleh Johar

What now Blink!

I hate using adages twice in as many days. I used it yesterday and you force me to use it today 🙂
There is an Arabic adage that is an appropriate reply to your comment: Hafiz AlNuqsan–something like a Fault-Finder. Losen up–what now? Jokes are banned among Eritreans? Are we that stiff and always sitting on the edge? Take it easy dear. Take it very easy…

Teodros Alem

I know what is going on in ethiopia and i know how eprdf function.
Stll ur other day argument is wrong. And it makes u a good gentleman to accept ur wronge assumption.

Haile S.

Emma,
This makes Amde the top crystal ball reader (or insider 🙂 :-)), for highlighting this person on Awate some two or three months ago before even the rumors of stepping down of the PM spread.

Nitricc

HI Haile; A Muslim Prime minster in Ethiopia? I doubt it very much. I don’t think it is a good idea. You don’t want to start religious war!!!

Haile S.

Hi Nitricc,
For me he appears a perfect hybrid: Abiy an amhara christian name (in principle), Ahmed, a muslim name; he is an Oromo. Hopefully, his wife is a Tigriyan to complete the multicolored ideal ethiopian multi-ethnically painted PM.

Teodros Alem

His wife is not a tigraians.she is from jemma.

Haile S.

Thank you Teodros,
But you need to dig further, there should be many Tigriyans in Jimma.

Teodros Alem

Selam h
I know for sure she is not tigrai.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
A religious war? I mean it is not 15th centurie. Do u know almost all orthodox ethiopians have a good relationship and a positive attitude towards Muslims than let us protestant or tplf supporters.

Kim Hanna

Selam Nitricc,
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You are full of surprises. I think you are going to sleep and have the following nightmare.
God is going to ask you to choose between a Muslim Ethiopian prime minister or a TPLF rule for the next 5 years. I am wondering about what you told God.
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Mr. K.H

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

Yes you are right. Sir Amde has a good insight as to the politics of his country, and beside, he is also very rationale person.

iSem

Merhababo Hallo Hope:-)
I conccur, huhhu, where were you Hope, all these months,
sefelalnaka, sefelal maytam hinna
selametka

Hope

Merhaba Bika Wed Abuye Andom.
Keffo Hallet Le Hitna?
Selamet sellimma eglie hasebotka!
Hope to see u this Summer.
A friend spotted u in an Eritrean Event in Toronto,if at all it was the same Wed Anfom but was ” shy” to say hello!
Kidding..,,

I trust my nemesis (my abuser), because I know him; I do not trust a possible friend, because he has not yet proved it to me. Although he has done nothing up to now to hurt me, the fact that I am disappointed with him is enough to avoid him.

The tyrant is a killer, sends people to prison and forgets them there without a day in court, when eritrean runaway he says this improves the gdp per capita income, when they die in foreign lands he calls them some african migrants, if they ask for water he tells the people to go to the nearest river to find water, etc. Pfdj is the owner of the land – people – economy, and in actual fact everything belongs to the tyrant.

Why should you trust the unknown devils (the opposition), because you are afraid they could do worse things than the above, if indeed there is anything worse the dictator has not done yet. This is what psychologists call the stockholm syndrome, i.e. the victim identifies him/herself with the victimizer.

What is the “mid way” when your house is on fire? You know that there is no middle way other than putting out the fire. Unless you are saying that dictatorship is the manna and the blessing that fell from eritrean skies, there is no way whatsoever to rationalize the situation in eritrea under the worst type of dictatorship.

The “pseudo-opposition” as you call them, are the main enemies and not the dictator, in your opinion. They are ready to annule eritrean independence, because opposing the dictator is equivalent to betraying eritrea.

Despite the fact that we live in the age of alternative facts and truth and facts have lost their value, it does not mean that we are on the right side of history.
The main enemy of eritrea that could one day destroy her is the social, economic and political stagnation brought by dia/pfdj and not the opposition. You can accuse them for failing upto now, but not for being worse devils than dia/pfdj.

The third way is the way of fence-sitters, the way of opportunism, especially when the odds are such that nothing good could come out of dia/pfdj, and the tyrant and his system should be torn down asap. The last quarter century has proved this.

blink

Dear Horizon
You are too nice to spend time on Eritrea while your house is on emergency, how nice is that , you did not know the article was about weyane and yet here you are bobbling. The majority of Eritreans don’t like the opposition parties of doing things that’s why the opposition is a 5 old men gossip party. At least you should know there is a big gaps between the opposition and the people who oppose the dictator.

Alex

Hi Horizon,
You know whose house is on fire. Eritrea is at peace and Ethiopia is on precipice of crisis. We now Eritrean Gov has many short coming that most of us want addressed ASAP. The reason the people do not support the opposition is they are mostly a tool of a dying TPLF regime.

let us say that tplf’s domination and hegemony in ethiopia is diminishing, and it will not be anymore the all-powerful party it used to be. the next ethiopian government is not going to care much about eritrea. although you have been demeaning and demonizing tplf/woyane for so long, nevertheless, tplf must be the best friend eritrea could ever have in ethiopia.

dia/pfdj have nothing to gain from the change that is coming to ethiopia, and the status quo is going to remain the same. Therefore, i don’t see the reason why anybody should rejoice. moreover, the opposition in ethiopia will remain the same.

Hope

Selam back to U Horizon:
Few facts:
-The dictatorial situation in Eritrea ,relatively and practically speaking,is way better than most dictatorial systems in the world in general and that of current Ethiopia in particular…considering all things.

-Remember that Eritrea was predestined to collapse and even to be wiped out from the map by all means possible,but it rather has STOOD FIRMER and STRONGER than EVER and way better than what its enemies predicted and tried their BEST ;worse,those,who predicted and did their best to achieve that goal /Eritrea’s fate,are the ones,on fire,crumbling and crushing as we speak !

Hence,the Devil we know well has done a better job than the “Angels”(Enemies) and am glad we are stuck with the Devil we have known well!
The temporary hiccups and the vollareral damages due to the Drvil shall pass away and will be a history!

There is NOTHING perfect in the world and there can’t be a ” Perfect Dictatorship ” either,specially considering the hassles,the Tsunami and the untold threats ,sabotaged,isolation,containment ,sanctions and what not Eritrea and the GoE have gone through !
Surviving such tsunamis and standing TALL and STRONGER against all ODDS is but beyond success and miracles!

We give credit when due and am glad that the ” Angels” we have no blue about failed miserably !
Kudos to the Eritrean Dictatorship!
“Id shenahit tsenahit”!
Those,who hurt and committed crimes against others shall pay the price back!

” Those,who attempted to kill Eritrea,are either already DEAD and/or are DYING /SHALL DIE before they Kill Eritrea”!
A prophetic statement by Ato Yemane GhebreAb.
Gen Sibhat Efrem said almost the same thing!

There is a video clip about/on what he said in ref to what the TPLF has gone to ERITREA and ERITREANS!
Alex or Nittric/Blink ,please help to upload the link/YouTube !
” Merrrrrrir waga kikheflu eyyom”!

Nitricc

Hi Hope; you said ” You got it now,huh?” I never lost it. The country must come first. How hard is this fact and responsible manner to understand?
Think country first!!!

blink

Dear Nitricc
The man own all the failures that happens at the war , only Issaias has to be blamed . If there was law at practice Issaias could have been in court for treason. He committed a treason for ordering EDF to pull out from the best fortified trenches . But in some % the Eritreans I mean the elite also has to be blamed for going smooth Issaias game in 2001. Do you know in the third offenses of weyane the EDF was at its best in man power and also armament wise but Issaias destroyed it for reason we do not know .The death of durue should pain every Eritrean alive because we should have listened to him when he openly told us .

It seems that this is the day of atonement and soul cleansing, by condemning the dictator and may be by sprinkling some ፀበል over the head.

Let it be recorded that you people have denounced the tyrant, but kept his agenda to the slightest detail, by choosing the land over the people, demeaning refugees and the opposition, and demonizing liberation fighters that do not worship the tyrant. Tomorrow, or even an hour later, it will be business as usual. Do not forget to quote yourselves in the future that you have opposed the tyrant.

blink

Dear Horizon
Come on , what’s is this a pay back for my sarcastic reply to your attack over weyane . Since when do you see me praising his policy ? I oppose the dictator like any one , it is just that I don’t try to look idiot who sale his soul like some of the awatecom forum. I simply say let’s do it probably because until now all these cry babies are begging change while sitting in the west and pray for more blood shedding, I oppose killing people, I oppose dividing people by ethnic or religious grounds while some live in it.

You oppose the dictator and you oppose the opposition, for Christ’s sake, whom do you support?

You are against blood shedding, killing or dying, and dividing people on ethnic or religious grounds, which I suppose you attribute to the opposition.
Nevertheless, you have not shown us that you oppose the actions of the tyrant in an unambiguous way and at an unexpected moment, when there was no tragedy like the one we are reading now, in which a respected eritreans was thrown into the dungeon for daring to criticize the demi god, and the unfortunate man lost his sight due to diabetes (i am not sure here) and finally died, most probably due to some sort of complication and the absence of proper medical therapy. There are other thousands of them thrown in prison and forgotten.

You people talk about tplf so many times a day, while these prisoners do not seem to exist even in the remotest compartments of your minds. You list the number of killing (true or false) happening in ethiopia, nevertheless, I have not heard you talk about the political prisoners in eritrea, the shoot to kill order at the border, refugees are not economic migrants, those who died in the med.Sea, the sinai and the sahara did not bring it upon themselves, but were forced to expose themselves to all sorts of danger, etc, etc, because of a tyrant who has made eritrea an open prison

I think you wanted to say “let us do it properly”. Let me ask, which is the proper way to depose the dictator, in your opinion. Can you share it with the opposition? Can you contribute an action plan that you think could shake the opposition out of its slumber?

Finally, you people are either with the opposition or against it, you are a supporter of the regime or an opposer, and not an inbetween, moving to the one or the other camp depending on the political weather.

blink

Dear Horizon
Very hard to explain the Eritrean opposition game to a TPLF supporter especially at this time. I will not be telling you I can be mental performance consultant for the opposition and I don’t brag about actions now because it doesn’t matter at this time because every thing seems bleak . Even the core supporter of PFDJ will tell you all about the failures of PFDJ but the solution has been searched from Ethiopia and that was the mistake.

Weyane killing is known worldwide it is just only not reported on the corrupted western media and you can say it is bought by weyane money. Weyane is the cancer and it is killing the body , we will see and wait what happens with Adwa guys.

Nitricc

Hi blink; here is someone analyzed and posted of TPLF leadership in its totality. Would you agree?

Here it goes

“””””1) Not only do they lie, but they holistically believe their own lies. It doesnt just stop there however; rather they are intent on aggresively lobbying and making the lie they believed-in… everyone’s reality.

2) They have no sense of a bottom. No low is too low for these people. Infact, the lowest common denominator is promoted and affirmed, cajoling the bottom of the pit behavior as a virtue.

3) They are totally oblivious to the the degree of their selfishness and narccisism. Shame is totally disassociated from this collective.

4) massive brutality is taken as a given; it is seen as a matter-of-fact when it is imparted on others , but a scratch on their fingers is magnified a thousand fold, urging them to act vindictively with the utmost savagery.

5) massive inferiority complex that they try hard to mask through degrading others, and/or overcompensate through limitless accumulation of material wealth and an attendant exhibitionist behaviors.”””””

blink

Dear Nitricc
This character looks like the one we have at this forum, you know the Muslim girl who write a creative lies. I agree with the person who described them . They are number one at such .

Thomas

Hi Blink,

Can you cut the crap, please? You are acting like a police here. We already have Amanuel Hidrat to tell us when/how/what to comment here. That guy thinks way high about himself:)

blink

Dear Thomas
Come on Tommy , what did I do ? I thought we are friends. Amanuel Hidrat uses his age and he actually thinks he can educate us but one thing is clear about him , he is a good fighter minus the sympathy he has for Meles. Come

Thomas

Hi Blink,

Speaking of Amanuel Hidrat, I agree with him on many points than I disagree. However, sometimes I lose it when he tries to force things on my direction. What is funny is he suggested that I should understand that people are here only to try to convince each other. I think that is not the Amanuel Hidrat that I have read for years. Convincing while him shouting and angrily jumping up and down defines Amanuel than anything.

blink

Dear Thomas
Lol you didn’t know that yet , too late my friend. He is not alone , he only apply it everyday. He thought you are her for his torment.

Nitricc

Hi Blink; come-on, Aman-H is very strict. He will kill or arrest people but if he is to come a president, he will be an absolute dictator. There is no in the middle. His way or the highway. I think he is too principled on his approach that made him that way. I have never seen Aman-H convinced by anyone about anything.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
If he(aman h) become president the consequence of his thinking and dictatorial behavior will lead to genocide .in other word he is a genocides.

blink

Dear Nitricc
The guy lost his compass on his way to kessela. He is already a dictator. He rule over Thomas and I thank him for that .

Thomas

Hi Blink,

Hahahaha, what do you mean when you said, ” He rule over Thomas and I thank him for that?”. If I understood you correctly, I got to tell you, “I do what I do the way I want it done and like I always do them”:) may be bit paraphrased but quoted from Kramer, the Seinfeld show. However, I am very humanitarian person so I listen and never want to harm others to satisfy my ego. The reason I always talk about my people than the land can be a base to find out about the person I am. If allowed people make history and make the land great and beautiful. Eritrea has the most creative and hardworking people. As long as our constitutions is implemented, everyone will be respectful of the law. I know this because I have seen things during the derg times. There were almost never corruption in Eritrea even during that time. We used to leave the gate to our house wide open and no one was coming to steal things. People used to trust each other. So, my friend as long as the monsters are goon we will have a peaceful country and people.

Thomas

Hi Horizon,

They just do not seem to want the criminals go. Everything they say is fake. The oppose the oppositions deep from their hurt, but they also know that no one is to follow them so they try to throw a bone here and there just to mislead or confuse people. It is a game that they have been playing for a long time, but they are being exposed by a day. So, their true colors is exposed and most people are annoyed by their acts. Their disgraceful act in deed!

Nitricc

Once I learn the passing of great Eritrean fighter Haile Durue, I took a moment of silent just to reflect on his life and many others who had similar fate as his. It doesn’t have to end this way, there is no reason to hold this people for that long and worst letting them die one by one in a prison. Why? Why not bring them to the court of law? Why not put them on house arrest? Why not let their family to visit? There is one and only possible to justify this kind of cruelty. There is something that happened during the TPLF war with Eritrea PIA doesn’t the people to know. I say this because the arrest of Pilot Dejen confirms my theory. Do you remember what happen the day Dejen went to prison? Exactly! I understand PIA’s determination to silence his critics, he never experienced in dealing with criticism. What he said was done without any objections or criticisms, so when questions start to pop up after the war, he went all out and cleans every one who can challenge, clarify or tell the story as it is. The fear of whatever the story is causing everyone to die in a prison. It is not only a very sad page in Eritrean history but how do you explain that the very people who gave everything to free their country are not only they are In prison butdying in prison without due process? It IS on you Mr. President! And I am sorry the Eritrean people failed they heroes.

Hayat Adem

“There is one and only possible to justify this kind of cruelty.”
Hi Nitricc,
It seems that you have come a long way even to say this. But still short. The only explanation for all his criminal acts is that he is criminal.

iSem

Hi Nitricc:
I am intrigued by this comment
Do me a favor, can you improve the comment, I think u hastily wrote it. Before I comment on it, if u find time can u edit it for clarity, please
What do u mean by ” it is on you mr.president”?
thanks

Hargembess Welay

selam Nitricc.
you r really good at diverting and misguiding the subject in hand. The article to be discussed was about the resignation of the PM of Ethiopia. Now you started a new issue of Durue’s assassination and the fools follow through and talk about it back and forth. I know this is your way of conveying your divisive agendas because you can’t even write an article about anything. you think his death in prison was wrong. write an article so we can discuss about it. Don’t jump on someone’s article and start ‘entatie nzerie alena’ ciao…

MS

Hello all
Is this PMHD twitter or someone is impersonating him?https://twitter.com/primeministerhd?lang=en
Some weird statements:
– opposing the state of emergency while he is technically the head of the government and committee running it
-apologizing for saying there were no political prisoners
-stating that he resigned for a PEACEFUL TRANSITION in Ethiopia. What does that mean, transition to what/where? “There could not be a peaceful transition unless people like Andargachew Tsige are released from prison immediately.” Wasn’t his government that kidnapped and charged Andargachew with terrorism? Or some else were making those decisions against is will?
-He says he had a londstandng difference with some in the TPLF who held the position that they would secede Tigray in the event EPRDF loses power…
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I’m inclined to believe this is a joke,someone is impersonating the man. If it is true all the arguments I and many others were making in regard to the intent and MO of TPLF is indeed true. That means TPLF is holding Ethiopia and EPRDF hostage threatening to breakaway if they don’t get it their way.

blink

Dear MS
YOU ARE RIGHT , the account is fake account.

Kim Hanna

Selam MS,
.
I just read your post. Your suspicion is well warranted. Several days ago saay brought it up to the front and it was taken down.
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You know, our oppositions are very sophisticated probably more so than the Russians in this type of creativity. They distribute and place these gems where they are likely to blossom and produce seeds for further distributions.
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This is a teaching moments for all of us, never to throw away our common sense and never to be without grain of salt.
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Mr. K.H

Any idea why it takes so long to replace the pm. Could it be that they were undermining his office without having any idea who to replace him with.

It is said that the main problem in the ethiopian government is elite antagonism along ethnic lines at the federal level in the eprdf government.

The pm was not given enough support by the different functionaries, and therefore, the reason the office of the pm could not function efficiently, and he was forced to resign. It seems that it really was not about competence, or he was against democratic changes.

Kim Hanna

Selam Horizon,
.
Your question is and was my question. The simple answer is I don’t know. I, not knowing, hasn’t stopped me before.
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As you know it took sometime to anoint HD as the Prime Minister. I think what helped him for the job was that Meles groomed and placed him as his own deputy.
In addition to that, I believe he was believed to be a figure all the factions took as a non threatening technocrat.
So with all that advantage on his side it took time to endorse him.
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Now, the selection of the PM is different and consequential. If they settle on one, I am pretty sure it won’t be without tension.
We all hope they come up with a solution putting the future of the country first instead of all the strong side issues.
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Mr. K.H

Legacy

Greetings Awate readers..

‘…Moves towards Third Republic.” Very creative title capturing the unique circumstances with which the nation finds itself.

I just left Addis from a brief visit and here are my observations:

Things in Addis appear “life-as-usual” as the public seems to have already hedged in the the embattled PM’s departure news. Incidentally, I heard the PM’s resignation in a friend’s car who was picking me up from the airport; the last thing you want to hear on your trip , on top of all the other things going on in the country is -a PM’s resignation.

There are petrol queues and milk is in short supply-both directly linked to the unrest in Oromia. Roads were eerily deserted at night (this was before the introduction on the State of Emergency.) Gonder was completely shutdown yesterday. A branch manager had to sneak in to his office with great trepidation in order to write a memo to his superiors-ironically about the shutdown!

To say that Yekatit 11th celebrations , 43rd anniversary of the founding of TPLF,were subdued would be an understatement of the year. Missing from this year’s celebration was-the usual fanfare and bombast with the emphasis of reinforcing commitment of retired soldiers of the struggle to the cause.

I asked a tigraweti friend what the sentiments of tigrawot urbanites towards TPLF is and she told me that many people are increasingly resenting them for putting them in a precarious situation. Amidst the current unrest and turbulence in the other regions of the country what is also missing and often goes underreported is the misery of the Tigrawoiti. Safe to say that TPLF has placed bullseye on their back.

No one seems to know who will step-in to fill the vacuum but one thing seems evident – which is that the future looks very uncertain.

Ismail AA

Selam Legacy,

Your care to share eye witness information about the situation in Addis is highly commended. Thank you so much for that. The things you had observed are symptoms of pregnant political conditions the country is currently facing. One can hardly miss to see the heavy cloud of change gathering on all corners of the horizon but also moving unstoppably towards the center.

My hope is that those moistures in those clouds would condense and pour as clement rain without storms and tempests and nourish the soil so that the Ethiopian peoples would enjoy sprouts of a democratic process that would usher them towards assured future of unity, freedom and progress. Indeed, the political and social elites of the country are confronting head on challenge and opportunity they shouldn’t hesitate to accept and handle .

The signs were written on the wall for years, but tplf was too arrogant and ignorant to take notice. In stark contrast with 1991 when some of them said “ኢትዮጵያ በአፍንቻዋ ብትደፋ ግድ የለንም፣” to “we are being targeted because of tplf”, says volumes.

Oromia and amhara states (the major states with more than 60% of the population) seem in a way out of control. Peaceful struggle, mass protest, road blockage, refusing to cooperate, sit-in demonstrations, etc can indeed force a government to resign and political changes to come.

Personally, I expect a lot of concessions from the tplf side in order to defuse the crisis, safeguard tigreans at the center and avoid damage to the country and its people. The ball is in tplf’s court, and we will see what it will do, and what will have the upper hand, arrogance or prudence.

If the news over the morning coffee is an oromo pm, very few will be opposed to it, if an amhara – the medicine will not go down easily even with a little bit of sugar, and finally a tplf, God forbid, the pandora’s box will open.

Western powers will play their role from behind the scene, and I hope that a solution will soon appear. If it is palatable to all or not, it is a different story.

blink

Dear Horizon
I am hopping for a Tigrian PM , I am hoping EPRDF choose Debretsion to lead Ethiopia for the next 5 years by iron fist, let’s hope the military focus on out side adversaries like Egypt and PFDJ, I want to see TPLF control Ethiopian lives . No concessions and no give in to the protester , or the assasination of both Oromo and Amhara state presidents. What do you think? G-7 after that are no needed in Eritrea , east are no needed , Opride are no needed .

Please, do not insult our intelligence. Give your evil advice to dia/pfdj. Do you know what the book says: “beware of false friends and their sinister advices”. Ethiopians, at least those at awate.com, know very well how much you hate and despise ethiopia and her people.

Your main worry is that tplf may make it safely and ethiopia may avoid disintegration, and you might not see what you have been dreaming for so long. You believe that the day of reckoning for tplf and ethiopia has come at last. WRONG.

Ethiopians are against tplf’s political views of domination and not against tigreans, and not even against tplf elites, provided they correct their behavior, their modus operandi, and this crisis ends in a harmonious and peaceful way. Tplf could still be in the ethiopian political arena. It is a matter of change in its policy. Of course, this will disappoint you extremely..

blink

Dear Horizon
No , you don’t have any evidence that I hate Ethiopia and it’s people. That’s false my friend but it is not a secret that I don’t like the leaders up until now. What I want is the visionary leadership of TPLF to come to fruition, that is what I want so that Amanuel Hidrat and his friend hayat can celebrate 🎉 🎉

Hope

Welcome back to your FIVE Senses,Dr Horizon.
I wish the SAME for Ethiopia.
Read my response to tedros.
BTW,I thought blink was being sarcastic based on your previous stand about the TPLF.
I found it AMUSING after I watched the YouTube clip from Washington DC or Denver while the Tigreyans were demonizing the TPLF..belatedly.
“dihri mai nab be’ati”.
I thought u r repeating the same litany-the reason why blink is sarcastic on you.
FYI:
Changing the Ethnicity of the PM is NOT and shall NOT be the solution but change from the grass roots and “meseretawi lewt”–the root causes of the problem should be eradicated.
First thing FIRST:
-The TPLF should peacefully surrender before it is too late and be part of the solution..
-Ratify a new and Inclusive /comprehensive Constitution.
-Equal representation and fair share of the wealth
-Create a Non-Ethnic Federal Government
Please, teach us Eritreans and will follow suit and so that we can push out the demon/devil peacefully and confidently ..

Nitricc

Hi Blink; you are jumping a little a head of your self. Now, the state of emergency is on and almost everyone is opposing to the state of emergency, including the USA. The next order of business is, the state of emergency must be justified. How? Well, that is why there are the Oromo’s and the Somalis. Watch one of the two ethnicity going at each other. After the state of emergency is justified the next step is cleaning the house under national security meaning TPLF will turn on the likes of Megresa and anyone who is showing independent thinking. Don’t forget TPLF has the Military and the economy under its belt. Besides, Addis Abeba is not going to rise-up. As long as the night clubs are open and the Shisha houses are on, they don’t care. So, expect TPLF to be around and play dead.

blink

Dear Nitricc
My comment was just a sarcastic reply to Horizon, I have been observing him go around to assume that we have no clue what he said long time ago.

Nitricc

Hi Blink; I know what you mean. Don’t expect the Ethiopians on this forum to understand their situation in their country.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
U r right except addis ababa, the ahiaha and the night clubs r one reason but they afraid the ethnic politics way more than the rest of ethiopians and tplf knows about it and play it good. That is the problem the oppositions need to work about it. If addis is involved with the protest like they use, by now tplf was history.any way they will rise up soon.

Nitricc

Hi Teddy; I doubt it. It seems The city is completely detached. We will see. Time is everything for TPLF right now. if they get a little time, they are back with impunity.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
U right tplf when u say tplf will play dead and about addis i think if lemma give them more confidence (assurance)they will come out to protest i think.

Nitricc

Hi Teddy. I think Lemma is a thing from past. Credit, he did what he could but he left TPLF with Time and they will be back to get him. That is what they do best. if TPLF left with time, they could be back stronger and get every one who opposes them. Don’t forget they have surrogates in Oromo, Amhara and Welayta parties. It will be interesting to observe. One thing is sure, TPLF knows that once power is taken away it costs to get it back. And will do everything to hang on it, I mean everything!

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
Agree with u but the people attitude is changing and changing fast and there is still some kind of confusion in central part of ethiopia(addis and so on) which they think they will be the most affected part of ethiopia by the ethnic politics. once if the opposite can change the confusion tplf can do nothing about it to stope the unstoppable .

Thomas

Welcome back, Hayat. You have been missed here sister.

Hayat Adem

Thanks Thomas. I was browsing some exchanges from recent threads. You are as well composed as ever.
Hayat

Hayat Adem

Hi all,
I have missed everyone at Awate.
So a lot of water has passed under the bridge. It appears the land of change is still continuing to change. The land of no-change is still stuck there.
Hayat

Teodros Alem

Selam hayat
May i ask ur definition of change?
I mean do u consider changing to negative(from bad to worse) is change?

Hayat Adem

Hi Teddy,
I miss you, too.
Change is either for worse or better. In change there is constant adjustment of life. Stagnation is a false progress. Do you know that water loses its purity from stagnation?

Hi blink,
I miss you, too. I thought so. A writer starts writing a line: “Mary rose up from her seat and start walking to the door…,” and left it there for a year, and returns to her writing and continues from where she stopped and adds this line,”… and opened.” If you are reading the line printed as: Mary rose up of her seat and start walking to the door and opened”, you wouldn’t know a full year was standing between the two. It seems as if you, blink, are where i just left you while Ethiopia is changing. That is fine as well.

blink

Dear hayat
You didn’t left , you were here stressed out your life .

Teodros Alem

Selam hayat ya habibety
My question was based on ur 1st comment .if ur definition of change is either for worst or better, not about stagnation and thanks for ur honest answer. So what u say about from bad to worst change of tplf ? What u say about it from ur( )point of view.

Hayat Adem

I see political leadership crisis in Ethiopia. The damages and killings are regrettable. They can use these problems to transform their leadership and the country for a better. It seems they are trying to do that. So we’ll see… We wish them the best.
In the land of stagnation, even the interviews the president give never get updated. Same o, same o. Even Saay get tired of writing about them, and he doesn’t seem to be interested in analyzing the interviews of the president them any more.

Teodros Alem

Selam ms hayat
The political leadership crisis in ethiopia been there before i even born(long time) and tplf makes it worse for the last 27 years but now most ethiopians( some state might use artical 39) including me start to see ethiopia transforming for a better but for tplf things r getting worsen.
About eritrea, am not eritrean but i think they will be more than ok after the war( cold war) .

Berhe Y

Dear Hayat,

Nice to see you back.

What do you think the worst that can happen if EPRDF and no longer in power?

Assuming the military, security, federalism etc is in tact?

In other words, what’s the worst that can happen if the EPRDF resigns and calls elections.

If it was me advising the EPRDF, dear opposition and Ethiopian people, here you go, now it’s your problem to fix everything.

Wouldn’t that be the safest approach to protect, people, and infreasturcte, business entities.

Berhe

Thomas

Hi Berhe,

I know your request is to Hayat, but I have a question for you.

a) What will be the relationship like if an amhara (majority Amhara) government takes over the EPRDF government?
b) What will be the status of the hundreds of thousands Eritreans living in Tigray and else where in Ethiopia?
c) What will the relationship of the tigrean and the Eritrean people look like (after a non-tigrian dominated government is set)?

Berhe Y

Dear Thomas,

A, b, c – nothing.

We as a neighbor should welcome any government the Ethiopian people decide to have. Our relation ship should always based on international accepted norms and rules.

Eritrea is a United Nations recognized member of the international community.

As to the Ethiopian internal politics, I think there is no two way about it. If one decides to play by the democratic rules, it’s up to the people decision who should govern.

Berhe

Thomas

Thanks for getting back to me, Berhe. Besides the international accepted norms and rules, you must be in peace with your neighbor or the international community cannot monitor borders all the time. It is the societies along subsequent border who will deal with the fact day in and day out. Remember, the world is become one with the global marketing and it is a problem when you are not willing to work with your next door neighbor.

About the Ethiopian internal politics, fighting the derg regime with the weyanes was not an internal politics. So, countries have military cooperation and work towards securing common border. This is where you should be thinking about the larger common border with the tigrians.

Berhe Y

Dear Thomas,

Off course as ERITREAN, Eritrea interests comes first. But that doesn’t mean that, it should be at the expense of Ethiopia or any other neighbour. There shouldn’t be at all.

What ever boarder or any issue we may have should be resolved peacefully and legally.

This is the only premise we need to operate. This does not meet, there will be no disagreements here and there.

Will there be normal relationship if PFDJ is still in power? I doubt that. And that’s the greatest threat to us.

Berhe

Thomas

Hi Berhe,

You asked, “Will there be normal relationship if PFDJ is still in power?” No, also not only with Ethiopia with all of our neighbors plus the international community. The former PFDJ and TPLF had a military cooperation and our army went all the way to Addis in helping the TPLF take power and stabilize Ethiopia. That was ok because Eritrea would not have liberated in 1991 if the tplf cooperation were not there. The something goes to the TPLF, they would have made it to Addis if EPLF’s support was absent. What I cannot see is the current cooperation with the our eternal enemies (the Gunbet 7 and others in asmara). I see this dealing as a danger to our future dealings with the tigrians. So, the only option for those of us in the opposition is to stop the danger. I advice people at least to stay neutral when it comes to the current crises in Ethiopia. If not, support the all time friends, the people of tigray (the minority group in proportion to the amharas or oromos)

Berhe Y

Dear Thomas,

I think it will help if we think that we are a nation and no longer a liberation movement.

Berhe

Thomas

Hi Berhe Y,

We have a sovereign nation, I am with you on that. Just to affirm with you, yes we must adhere by the international rules and regulations with any of our dealings with our neighbors. However, you must stay proactive. We have to see what is cooking in Ethiopia and our interest with the outcome. I am not saying anything bad for ethiopia is good for Eritrea. I want to see a prosperous and democratic Ethiopia and equally I want to see the samething in Ethiopia. The amharas had their chance in making this happen and they lost it. Now, it should the making of the Ethiopians not the power hungry amharas.

Berhe Y

Dear Thomas,

I understand your worries but the Arab countries in our neighbourhood are the last place we need to find example.

If there was a peaceful democratic institution in Ethiopia and Eritrea, we would see the best of the best Ethiopians and Eritreans leading our countries.

Ethiopians are making progress, albeit rough transition but with each change of government the people are getting, bolder and bolder to own their destiny.

G7 or what ever can be in Eritrea or sleep with PFDJ all they want but they are not able to have any effect in the outcome.

When I saw the Oromo kids raising / crossing their hands two years ago demonstrating, I knew EPRDF are in big trouble.

It’s just a matter of time. They are using methods of peaceful resistance to the dot (except the few destruction of properties).

I honesty don’t think resigning oh the PM will meet the demands of these young people.

Berhe

Thomas

Hi Berhe,

I agree with view and I quoted, “don’t think resigning oh the PM will meet the demands of these young”. The only difference is that I think the youth are manipulated and lead to take wrong actions upon the 1st progressive government they ever had. I think they are mislead to go on the streets to ask nothing but regime change. I can only relate this with the oromos coming to fight our tegadelti and with ropes to tie them when they capture the tegadelti. Regardless of what the outcome would be for Eritrea and us, I would have supported the oromo and amhara youth mission if it was about democracy and justice. However, to me it is not about democracy or justice it is about who is in power regardless of the mission and the blessed effort to install a democratic Ethiopia. To make Ethiopia better, is there a promising government in line for Ethiopia? I know you will say tell me the Ethiopians should worry. I say, we must mind our own business to:)

blink

Dear Thomas
I am laughing at your idea of preferred government in Ethiopia. The ship is moving away from Ethiopia by seconds, Eritrean opposition time in Ethiopia is just dead . Ethiopia will not be the playing game of idiots . Foreign based government driven by idiots is the least to happen.

Berhe Y

Hi blink,

The Eritrean opposition time in Ethiopia was not because of their choice, but because of the regime in Asmara. They would have loved to be in their country all these years, but you know what would have happened to them.

Do you want a example? Why don’t you worry about Haile DurE and what happened to him and many like him time inside their country.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
Durue will die doing what he does for his people. And the people who will die in Ethiopia will die what they have done for their whole life lying and backstabbing Eritrea, you see the difference? If we all stayed in Eritrea even in prison, change would have at our hand by now. Do you think the change in Ethiopia now is free , thousands of young men life is the cost. Millions of Ethiopians payed for this , it is not cheap and it has never been cheap. So the notion it is because of fear is not the point. We all know political changes come by sacrifice not by sitting in the west .

Berhe Y

Dear blink,

Yeah that would suit you and the dictator that you protect just fine, so you continue to rule.

I wish DuruE was in exile and survived. If there was any person in that organization (EPLF/PFDJ) who would have brought peace and democracy, that would be him.

Today EPLF/PFDJ is dead with him. The organization has buried it soul.

Berhe

blink

Berhe
EPLF died in 1994 and people with any chance ruling and transform the state to democracy has missed chance in 2001 . The fact that you believe change will come from outside shows how backwards your views are. Change will never come by conference from Awasa by people like the once we know. I am 100% convinced that change will never come from outside. If we all stayed home Issaias can not put 1 million in to prison. The pressure was removed by our own decision to leave our home.people like you who are weyane goons are ok with current Eritreans are in and we don’t blame you .

Berhe Y

blink,

You are here to discredit the opposition and any threat that comes the way of IA government and confuse.

You are happy, Haile DuruE and others are dying in jail.

Ok I get it, have a nice day.

Berhe

blink

Dear Berhe
You are known for one thing in this and that’s putting words on n someone’s mouth that is your quality Berhe . Since when do I say such thing?

iSem

Hi Thomas and Berhe
Just to add one more angle to ur fabuloos discussion
The reason we see the uprising and demonstation in Ethiopia is because there is some freedom, the fact that prisoners are released, even if not from the goodness of the TPLF’s heart is a sign that the regime cares, listens and is cognizant of the future of its people
When the TPLF liberated Tigray, they made a cogent, visionary, sober choice: to be like the previous Ethio regimes, when one ethic group, religion and culture dominated or to create the ethnic federalism that they have now that is derided and ridiculed by many and PFDJ. The problems that they have now is not because of the Fed. ethnic arrangement, but the desire to go beyond it, for TPLF to let up their monopoly in the millitary and security, in other words, the Ethiopian people are moving one step up into freedom. They are ambitious, they are not just satisfied to be only ruled by their and speak their language, unlike you who
If TPLF were so crazy in 1991, they would have ruled Ethiopia alone an IA would havad helped them but Ethiopia would be in war with itself, a repeat of Dergi fighting against several liberation movements.
There is no garrantee for success for Ethiopia, but they are tryng and in the process some crooked leaders of some ethnc group may take advantage of it, TPLF showed guts to do what they did in 1991 and now they need the same guts, if they can show it or be one hit wonder is the question
And if EPLF showed the same vision and guts and has united the different armed movements in 1991 we would be in a much better position, this explains why PFDJ view their success in the failure of TPLF and distinegration of Ethiopai and if that happens, it would have a negative impact on IA, not their expected success, the failure of Ethiopai is not due to the ingenuity of IA, they will find out if that happens in earnest.
Eri is still in the liberation mentality, feeding on old glories, while killing and disappearing and disrespecting those whoa actually created that glory. Ethiopai is in this dire situation to cement itself in the fragile peace, to transcend the formula that worked for 27 years, to purge itself from the its ghedli era. But in the process there may be pirates who may stir the ship to uncharted waters to steal its treasures. If the EPDF and its core, TPLF get the balance right and identify those genuine opp who want the transcendence those who want to sow chaos and deals with them accordingly Ethiopia maybe positioned to succeed, but there is a danger. To see a just released prisoners criticizing the government, rem when Bitweded was released and showed reconciliation and love and was arrested again,IRONIC,he was arrested as he was inspiring and PFDJ is anti-inspiration
So the PFDJ who are celebrating the chaos in Ethiopia should be worried more about its failure and not its success, PFDJ and its supporters are empty bunch, nothing to look forward in life, and they want everyone to be like them

Thomas

Great analysis, Isem. I cannot find one thing I cannot agree. Thank you for the lesson, bro.

Nitricc

Semere; you comment is offensive to the normal and functioning mind. ” The reason we see the uprising and demonstation in Ethiopia is because there is some freedom” Do you know how many lives are wasted every day in Ethiopia. if there was a freedom, why are people losing their lives? What a stupid comment.

iSem

Hi Nitricc:
Good question, now pay attention, I will educate you
Do u believe there is freedom in USA? Most sensible ppl do but lots of people get shot because there ppl who will shoot at ppl in the USA I am not comparing USA with Ethipia and yes ppl died even 15 years ago students were shot.
I am saying is Ethiopians are expressing themselves using the right to demonstrate freely, they are actually applying free assembly, if there are clashes and one stupid should, a soldier who was trigger happy, so happy to carry a gun (does this ring a ppl, do u know someone, look in the mirror) but in ur country, no one demonstrate, actually assembling to pray in ones house will land u in prison, not because Eri are less courageous but they know they will be mowed with thanks.
I know u pray for ethiopi to fail, I do not. Fact are facts, also this is high level discussion and I warn you, u may not get it so I will be patience to walk u through. Now mention one political prisoners who was released in Erirea, I can mention dozens in Ethiopia
any questions. Disccussion have context.
I did not say there are no criminals in Ethiopia, even u never said there are criminals in Eritrea, I am saying in Ethiopia, ppl are allowed to demonstrate and criminals shoot them, but it is legal to demo, assemble, pray, write and if u are arrested, ur loved ones know where u are, they send you food and medicine. So work on in creasing those cells before calling ppl who can actually remember what they said verbatim stupid. We can debate and I can learn from u a lot, because u have unique skills despite the negligible of brain cells but calling being willfully ignorant and choosing darkness from light does not help our growth as people, does not help our ppl or our region or our country, fair?

woldeab

Dear Semere
Why is it that you are constantly trying to put lipstick on a pig, as Nitricc would say.
How many activists have disappeared in Ethiopia in the last ten years alone? While you are talking about the prisoner that people know about, don’t you think there are ten fold prisoners that have disappeared all over Ethiopia including Tigray?
Is this a prelude to that Agazian thing you have been talking about for you

Nitricc

Hi Woldeab; The heart breaking story about disappearance is the story of this man. Like Semere and Aman-H thinks Ethiopia under TPLF is free Ethiopia. read this

Hahahaha No one can say it better. You gave him a step by step lesson. However, we are talking about someone who is challenged with all aspects life. I worry too much for the people who live around this sick boy and his diaper.

Nitricc

Semere; there are no stupid people but there people with stupid ideas. for instance, you said it again ” I am saying is Ethiopians are expressing themselves using the right to demonstrate freely” When people are dying stop saying freely. People are paying with there life and you keep saying “FREELY”. I don’t know if you know this but demonstration is illegal in Ethiopia. Now, As much TPLF is troubled at this time, still they got the military and the economy, so, don’t you worry they will sometime.

you said
“ur country, no one demonstrate, actually assembling to pray in ones house will land u in prison, not because Eri are less courageous but they know they will be mowed with thanks.”
First of all I am glad the government of Eritrea is mowing people who demonstrates with THANKS lol. Anyway, you are wrong again. A government needs to tough, strict and fair. If you see how TPLF got in to this point, they weren’t tough and firm enough leaving aside the fairness part. When the Oromo opposed the Addis expansion, TPLF back down. When the government announce point based driver license, the drivers opposed and TPLF back down, you can list many of that. and there is a blow that emboldened the protesters, the release of the prisoners. To release prisoners is good but you don it from point of strength not weakness.So, If the government of Eritrea said no demonstration and people respected that, it means there is strong government in Eritrea. That is why the TPLF going to ashes while PFDJ is well and alive.

Teodros Alem

Selam isem
Do u think tplf can rule ethiopia the same way eplf did in eritrea even if tplf want to? I mean how is that possible with out having at least10% of support outside of tigrai? .even to be a dictatorship at least u need to have some kind of base (10 -20 % support).

blink

Dear berhe
International norms also include respecting a court ruled sovereignty issues. Returning Eritreans property in Addis and Mekelle .

Teodros Alem

Selam thomes
1St there will never be amara or any ethnic dominance in ethiopia no more. Because people will not accept it even the amaras themselves will not accept it. The amaras were the no1 players to overthrow the Hi government.
2nd. Am 110% sure ethio-eritrea relation will be much much better than the current one.
3, believe it or not tplf will lose power just because people is not confused like before .now days ethippian people’s knows about tplf(bad hearts)

kogne

HI Teodros its not reply but its kind a question, what do you think going to happen if EPRDF elect tigraian for prime minister, like sibhat nega, siyum mesfin,etc any tigraian to the prime minister position

Teodros Alem

Selam kogne
They way i see it
ethiopians the people is not interested by the tplf/eprdf ethiopia(the country itself)except those who live in addis and those who live in different kilil than their root kilil(because they have no option) .
So if u can’t change this attitude and revive ethiopianizem again , i don’t think the country itself will continue as a country as we know it today and electing tigrian pm again is gonna worsen the situation in the country and honesty i try to Listen tigrains point of views for the last 5 -6 years and believe it or not i find them almost all nonsense( am talking about the pro and oppositions tigrai). A little bet am ok with general stedeken and gebru . the rest they really nonsense and so Sherrod.we won derg mentality gave them some kind of confidence but i don’t think they even feet to rule in a warda level, lot alone the country.
Any way if tigrain become pm with right now ethiopians attitude it will be a suicidal for the whole country.

Josef Says

Kogne,
Let’s entertaining your hypothesis say they chose Sibhat nega…
Most Ethiopian would have no idea who he is… remember about 65% of population is below 25 years old.
All they will see 80+ year old man- who they can’t relate to if they even know who he is… what hell is that senior citizen doing.. a senile old man is going to be representing 100 million people…

People in the 60+ years range would be telling about maybe 75% of population.. “oh! he was leader and gorilla fighter…. etc..”
In all likelihood, Tigrian would be protesting against him…

What scares the Ethiopian government leadership is not ethnic difference or challenges…although that is what you hear about because the people doing the writing and talking are from older generation… it is in fact demographic.. remember less 3% of ethiopian are above 65 years old.

Josef Says

Thomas,
I think your perspective is little warped or stuck in time. Time has moved on. The days of ethnic type thinking are slowly disappearing except in places or minds of folks stuck to certain period.
If you traveled around Africa 1890s and asked people where are Kenyans or Nigerian or Angolan.. people will give you strange look.. even if you had gone to Nairobi.. they would say to you what is Kenyan?

Forget ethnicity even nationality is playing less of role in people’s life..I am sorry to say you are living in the past. With exception of a few dark and backward corners of Africa(Horn) with dysfunctional leadership- African moving forward.

In terms of Asseb and Ethiopia.. Ethiopia has dynamic economy without it own port. Ethiopia is taking the Chinese example… focus on your development build your dam, roads, railway, etc..
Central European countries don’t have port the number of countries around world without ports is far greater than ones with ports.

In terms of Ethiopian government- it will make adjustments like the Chinese government that shows just the level of political maturity and intelligence. Of course, you have never participated in fairly healthy civil society any change in government may seem like the end or doom….

Hayat Adem

Dear Berhe,
Thank you. Let me say something here… I just learned from exchanges in the other thread that DruE has passed away in prison. I am saddened by many aspects of the news: the fact Eritrea today is a country where a veteran tegadaly and others can be released to the grave and the soil, and not to the their society and family. Sad!
——
Probably DruE has left asking unanswered question: what have done to end up like this? We’ll live with all the pains of regrets. And then we’ll leave echoing that same question. Remember: IA intends to celebrate the silver jubilee of Eritrean Independence. It is a long time! Many more in his prisons will pass away that way. Oh.. the Weyane are in trouble themselves… who is going to help us? I am looking up right now!
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Your question: What do you think the worst that can happen if EPRDF and no longer in power?
My answer: Ethiopia slips in to ethnic violence. But that is also happening at some level even when EPRDF is in power. That tells you, Ethiopia is just passing through a normal political problem that could worsen or improve depending on how it is managed. They can fix through election, negotiated settlement or …. I personally don’t believe the political parties and the people will let down Ethiopia. This is not a country they received in a silver plate from the colonizers… this is not a country that walked out of the woods just yesterday. It has gotten here passing through so many told and untold challenges. It is not like the kind of craving you see in the faces and voices of IA supporters, like it is one crisis away to explode, and that crisis is standing by the door already. Are you kidding me! If any thing, it can only be the end of EPRDF’s political hegemony. Nothing will happen to Ethiopia.

iSem

H Hayat welcome back home. Were have you being, this time without warning
You meant the Golden Jubilee that dawit, (an IA peer and supporter, a confessed stretcher of his skinny hand and proud of it) promised some of us that IA and him will be breathing through their knees when Eritrea hits 50. Silver Jubilee has passed, I wish we were still younger than 25, put differently, I wish the so called independence arrived later, put even more differently, I wish the PFDJ brutality was shorter than 27 years
Where is dawit these days, maybe back home retiring and preparing for golden jubilee

Welcome back. Do you still find us as stagnant water that lost its purity?

Teodros Alem

Selam aman h
I think they ( cyber warriors) received an orders from tplf to change their tone and am afraid u will not get the usual answers this time that u expected. The last 2-3 days most of them changed thier tone i don’t know why but i guess they been told to minimize the hatred and u will be told to do so soon, it depends on ur rank.

Hayat Adem

Hi Emma, my dear. All I know is you are doing your part since your youth time. Some of us are not.

Ismail Ahmad

Selam hayat,
Very happy to read you back. Your contributions, as far as I am concerned, devastatingly missed. I might have sometimes disagreed with you. But having you in the forum was , and is, essential asset. Not only for power of articulating your views, but sharpness, prowess and intellectual potency you participation project. And, at this juncture of developments unfolding in Ethiopia, your takes would be unmissable addition to fine brothers like Amde and Kbrom. So, please try to stay.
Welcome back dear.

Hayat Adem

Dearest Ismail,
What can I say… how can i not stay if this forum meas interacting with such refined guys like yourself

kogne

hi hayat,it appears the land of change is still continuing to change ,the land of no change is still stuck there, you are right change to come it needs sacrifice, it needs to be imprisoned it needs a lot work its not like TV you can turn it on or off , volume up or dawn or change channels by remote, you have to be in your land , you cant bring change by remote control, in our case(Eritrea) change to come from opposition its only dream, the self called eritrean opposition they went dawn with MELES , after meles no body to look after them they end up like orphans, no money no SENA.A form, instead depending on Eritrean people they depend on foreign countries, they spent years advocating repeating woyane words, without your people you can achieve nothing ,they spent years insulting PFDJ ,weeding PFDJ (SJG) all this without action, I raise my hat to Ethiopian opposition, they die they went to prison for their people, they have people beside them that’s why they are bringing change to their country

Peace!

Hello Awatawian,

Meles Zenawi: visionary for creating Enemies
1 Waged a war against Eritreans and deported over eighty thousand Eritreans—destroyed their lives, confiscated their hard-earned properties and savings. The disgraceful justification was “If we didn’t like the color of their eyes they must leave.”

Then once he thought Eritrea was too weak to challenge him and realized he had a leverage, thanks to the free blood of poor Oromos and Amhara’s, to please Westerns for blank check, he switched gear to implement his major rather malicious internal plans:

2 Resettlement projects- the people of Tigray, Dembians, to Gonder, Welkait, Tsegede, Humera, Armachiho & the Wegera district’s and redraw the map of Tigray

3 Imported Al-Ahbash from Lebanon and tried to divided Muslims—arrested, tortured and even killed many innocent Muslim scholars

4 Master- plan to expand Addis Ababa into surrounding Oromia to further marginalize Oromos and disperse Wurages, part of an effort to monopolize the entire economy

5 Introduced anti-terrorism law to stifle peaceful dissent, journalists, and political activists

*surprisingly the pro TPLF Eritrean opposition groups were/are his main apologists and media actors, defending him till the last drop of their souls, and now, regrettably, the people of Tigray are paying the price.

Dear all
Weyane are declaring a 6 month emergency with a possibility of 4 additional, the order are coming from the ministry of defense. American government stated their disagreement only to make their support under the table . Every Ethiopian region except Tigray and Somalia will be guarded by a new military post . Many weyane cronies colonels are being called to this task and also in the federal police. Weyane are gambling wether to put the dancer from adwa or someone from Oromo who care about his bank account not for the people. The Amhara and Oromo which are part of the so called EPRDF are being told to shut their mouth or get the new stick .

On the other side almost all the newly released so called terrorist by weyane are trying to create some kind of opposing to take to Addis Abeba , Germany, Sweden and Chinese ambassadors are working day and night to advice weyane a way out or at least buy a time to cool the question of the people. The so call parliament are gone but dead , no say at this time.

blink

Dear Hope
As some great awatawian explained the decision was taken by TPLF security leaders not by the PMH . He was just a man standing in physical term not his mind. He was powerless and he can control nothing.The notion he is civilian so resigned is false. Weyane decision is what matters. Who decides the emergency? Weyane. Who decided the election commission? Weyane. Who block the communication lines ? Weyane. Still the old military men decide. Ayneta is just a weyane goon nothing more .

It is difficult to say that PMHMD was forced to resign only because of the mass protest. It is also a known fact that the political situation was discussed at the central and executive committee level of the eprdf government. There are two important factors one should take into consideration: the pm is a civilian among hawks, and there are past experiences when similar civil disobedience was repressed through bloodshed.

Let us entertain a scenario for this is the age of conspiracy theories (Forgive me A.H). There could have been two choices on the table on how to handle the situation: a) to curb the protest the known way through bloodshed as in 2015, or b} find a peaceful solution by going a long way on the road of democracy, and not only release more than 6000 political prisoners, but also implement social, political and economic justice for all citizens, so that corruption, impunity and generally being above the law by the governing groups does not continue.

What one can say is that possibly HMD’s proposal, the second one, was defeated as i imagine. He was forced to resign to bring the hawks before the ethiopian public opinion depending on their future actions to overcome the crisis. This way HMD avoids to be loaded again with the responsibility of the actions of the hawks and made a scapegoat as in 2015. We will see.

This time over, unless the weapon to appease the protesters is democracy, the emperors at arat killo will be found to be naked for the world to see their lies and their empty democratic rhetoric, which means nothing to the country and its people.

Will the hawks draw a lesson from this, and understand that business is not going to continue as usual, and democracy and democratic action plans are knocking at their doors, and they better remove their earplugs to listen clearly to what ethiopian citizens are demanding.

Haile S.

Selam Horizon and all,
Here is another plausible conspiracy. If the Eth government was obliged to release 6000 individuals and leaders who were imprisoned for asking democratic practices while the popular demands for democracy is still burning in the streets, then it has to have a means of neutralizing the kerosene (released prisoners) it just added itself to the fire. This neutralizing remedy is the state of emergency it just premulgated. And without enough justification it cannot go back to that state of emergency it was forced to remove a year or so ago thus letting down the scapegoat to leave the apparent helm of power. I am not saying was the only reason, but a convinienet way of addressing multiple problems.

I believe that the governing parties are carrying out a marathon discussion behind closed doors and they will soon reach an agreement on the new pm for the remaining period until the next elections. We will see the smoke coming out through the chimney soon.

The power vacuum should not last for long. The state of emergency is a necessary evil, and I hope that Ethiopia will come out of the crisis stronger and the ruling parties more mature, having got rid of the old weights. They are obliged to agree in order to defuse the situation promptly, and it is not a matter of choice, but that of necessity.

Resolving political crisis through democratic procedures is no more unusual in africa. The old days of military coups and ascending to power through the barrel of the gun are no more accepted even by the AU.

Josef Says

Hope.. Ayneta assessment of situation is fairly accurate. Why is it so hard to accept that Ghedli come with mentality or mindset that is not best for civil society.
Running and developing civil society requires different skillset and mentality than a guerrilla army that is just fact.. since 1965 until 2000s a generation of Eritrean didn’t experience civil society at its best and they have no reference point.

I think some eritrean just see woyane boogieman at every corner. People have been saying that Hailemariam is puppet of TPLF and has no power and now he is getting “kicked out” because TPLF want to get back in power?
Make up your mind- it is sign of cognitive weakness when it seems you are talking from both side of mouth..

I don’t know internal dynamics of Ethiopian politics.. but I can say given the situation for last two or three years in Ethiopia.. this is intelligent move and sign of political maturity…
Kudos to ethiopian leadership and people.. I hope Ethiopia keeps moving forward and country becomes a middle income country by 2025… We need that in Africa…100 million country becoming middle income country in Africa! what they have achieved in last 15 years is remarkable..

Nitricc

Greetings Ethiopians and peace loving Eritreans. I know our Ethiopian friends are going through tough motions. I understand, I get it. You will be alright and let me cheer you with this one. Ethiopia Lezelalem Tenure!!!! As long as don’t mess with Eritrea!!

Your observation “….this would not have been possible had he been a product of the armed struggle….”

May need a foot note: 1) I observed in occations that powerful personalities from the armed struggle era vacated their governmental position for the better, 2) the current government is more of new blood from academia, than used to be, 3) eventhough the “armed struggle era people” tried to enforce a 100% political controll–which eventually backfired– they opened some economic activity space for all, and achieved a noticeable FDI capital inflow to the country.

Thanks

Nitricc

Hi Mez; sometimes I wonder at what you looking up. You could be all lipstick on the world on the pig and still the pig is a pig. Regarding the Ethiopian government achievements. well everything being burn to ashes. Now what? Ask your self why would the people burn their own properties? hmmm is it theirs? think.

Mez

Good Day Nitric,

Inherently you are absolutely correct: “yesterday is history”.

However, the puzzle of life (which is dictated by social and natural process) is the fact that yesterday shapes today.

That is why we go to scool my friend.
If there is no yesterday, there is no today; they are inseparable.

Thanks

blink

Dear all
Finally the news about Ethiopia arrived at awatecom,surprisingly the news doesn’t need reporting ,only few people were not expecting, BBC Africa focus reporter was surprised too , who could believe these lairs white men servants . Because do we need to not know about the death of thousands of Ethiopians by agazi forces was not known to awatecom or any news media.
Now the news that needs more reporting is , the state emergency, the conflict between different ethnic groups and of course the background of all this weyane security domination all over Ethiopia. The size of weyane participants in the overall security apparatuses must be sized down to its economic, size and acceptablity status. Without doing such who ever the next PM will not cool the situation. The Oromo and Amhara opposition forces must challenge all these in the EPRDF and mobilize their population to protest peacefully with out destroying public property. The demonstration must continue until a transitional government is formed to take them to election in 2020. The only good solution is to forum a transitional government away from sibhat nega influences.

Ismail AA

Good morning (my time) Gedab News editors,

This is a balanced news release that bodes optimism and smooth transition as the choice of the words for the suggest. The Ethiopian peoples deserve, and we as their neighbors wish them, unimpaired path to the birth of “the third republic”.

I anticipate, as many might do, the ruling coalition partners are very much aware of their more than two decades balance sheet has brought them to a challenging crossroad. I think no one of them would risk causing disruptive role that could blow their economic and nation building achievements to the wind. All of them are on board of jittering vessel and if it breaks down and sinks no one would survive to rise up from under the wreckage and occupy the old Menelik II palace corridors of power at Arat Kilo.

My assumption is that such a scenario would seriously be taken due note of and reasonable consensus to design a transition program that could also accommodate dissidents and opens the space for peaceful competition in the framework of fair play of tools that democratic processes prescribe.