"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will
suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008.

What looks like illusion and madness to us ordinary folk, like reviving talk of Obama as Messiah after he's proven himself to be anything but, is
the hallmark of the Marxist mind. Never mess with the fundamental formula. If delusions of grandeur were good enough for Marx in 1848 they're good
enough for Obama in 2012. Read more: www.americanthinker.com...

When Bishop Vashti McKenzie, an advocate of black liberation theology, told everyone to rise, a rabbi in attendance described what he saw when he
glanced over at Mr. Obama: " A beam of morning light shown [sic] through the stained-glass windows and illuminated the president-elect's face.
Several of the clergy and choir on the altar who also saw it marveled afterward about the presence of the Divine. " Read more:
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Four years ago he used self-messianic language. He said a vote for him would 'heal the oceans' etc etc. He never said he was the messiah .. but he
sure did insinuate it and play on the language. It was pathetic.

Originally posted by neoholographic
Obama is the messiah in the eyes of this radical movement and this is why Farrakhan called him the messiah and Obama talks about collective salvation.
So Obama's collectives salvation supersedes individual rights.

I didn't know that about 'collective salvation' etc etc.
I guess that explains all the self-messianic language used in 2008.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
You guys really think Obama is racist? He hates himself and the only family he knows?

He has severe 'abandoned by my black rolling stone daddy' issues. He makes sure everyone knows he's "black enough" ("that's how white people
will do you" .. and his grandmother is a 'typical white person" etc etc) and he embraces and all the 'socialist' issues that his father
embraced. 'see daddy .. am I good enough now that you wouldn't abandon me??' It's all there.

Imo liberals should be marching on the street right now against the republican party. Obama, Bush, and Reagan not withstanding. The more I hear and
see from the Romney ccamp, the more I'm inclined to agree that Obama may be a messiah of sorts. Although I think you're taking his statement out of
context and slandering him as so many republican have been doing the last 4 years. I have never seen so many skeletons dug out of one presidents
closet. They all seem to have them, but for some reason Obama's seem to be paraded around much more often. The lies are also paraded around often.

First I want to say this is the best and most interesting thread i have read on ATS in a while. I agree with many of your conclusions here.

Anytime you say things about any 'collective' salvation and it is from a concept within a 'theology,' meaning some form of religious thought,
regardless of whether or not that religion includes God in it, you have a scarey thing. All religions teach individual salvation with an individual
and communal caring for the collective need. Not a collective salvation, nor one individual who believes his own salvation (a meaning within a
religious thought) depends on a 'saving' of the collective.

Anyone in need of saving, needs a savior... so who is the one doing the saving? Who believes they are the savior of the collective?

People most certainly want to equate Obama to a savior and use biblical language to do so.

therefore we have a religious thought devoid of God, who has a savior.... and that savior just so happens to be the leader of the most powerful nation
on earth, who is taking individual rights away one by one by one.

Yes, this is scarey. I am going to be looking further into this religion, and see what it is they are teaching, and why the president apparently is
parroting it with himself at the helm.

PS. NOL are not considered Muslims because they reject the basic tenents of Islam, one thing they reject is every man regardless of race is equal
before God with the only thing separating one man from another before God being piety.

Obama has been a continuation AND further expansion of Bush/Cheney' govt.

Obama is NOT a socialis or marxist. He is as unrestraained capitalist (read corporatist, fascist) as they come.

Continuation of the tax cuts for the wealthy, free pass to BP, Obamacare written for and by the PRIVATE Insurance industry with NO Public Option,
protect the telecomms, free trade agreements, expanding wars, funding the military being priority #1, etc, etc, etc.

Stop listening to the right wing propaganda machine and JUST OPEN YOUR GODDAMN EYES!

Romney is another Obama, by the way.

You think the elite will leave their power and wealth be swayed by the opinion of the unwashed masses? Unwashed masses that will believe anything
printed as a headline or puked by a political pundit on tv and AM radio?

"This is the most radical thing I ever heard coming from a President."

Really

Even more radical then Bush's infamous line, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"?
More radical them Bush Sr, "What is at stake is more then one small country, it is a big idea, a
new world order"?

I'm just not seeing it. I don't think that's what Obama was implying at all.
If you dig at it long enough though, I'm sure you can interrupt it anyway you see fit.
As far as being the most "radical" statement ever coming out of a president's mouth,
I beg to differ. You may want to go back say more then four years ago and dig up
some quotes by GWB. Quotes that are truly radical and scary beyond belief.

I think what it's saying is he is stating he cannot be saved himself, individually, and that goes for everybody.
We must come together, collectively for salvation to work, but the bible says it is to be each person, individually judged.

So this denounces the idea of judgement, the common theme in luciferian doctrine, for obvious reasons.

It appears to set the stage for the new world order and eradication of religions with the idea they all converge under one religion.

Basically it's just another excuse for more rules and regulations.

Doing the right things like helping others, by the bibles standards means voluntarily but this would be a forced way of helping with things we
might not want to help. It would hardly be sincere from each individual but would serve his agenda and plants the idea that we work collectively if we
want a ticket into heaven.

IMO you're doing the normal thing I have seen GOP fanatics do so many time. Take one piece of a peech out of context to use to your own manipulative
ends. But regarding your reference to Reagan and Bush, again IMO, I see that there definately WAS an improvement from second rate to first rate.
Reagan was no more than a second rate cowboy actor who was put into office as a novelty and was (acting) pretending to be a president, and Bush was
simply a first rate drunk who was helped into office by daddy. How you guys have managed to survive those years is a credit to the general population.

Read a dictionary. Salvation means more than only religious salvation. Twisting words, manipulating meaning, taking phrases and words out of context
is just spreading lies. Consider your own "salvation". My brother in law just sent me a picture of a billboard about Obama's saying "We built
this" as if he hadn't meant the infrastructure that ALLOWS businesses to run... like roads and bridges. He did NOT claim that government built the
businesses. But the billboard claims that and that business leaders were together in claiming he is wrong and so forth. They were offended that
Obama said government built businesses. Duhhhhhhhhhh People don't look any further than when they've heard what they WANT to hear, to reinforce
their already made up minds. Which means, their Narrow and Close Minded Minds. Inflexible and ignorant and proud of it! Obama was NOT talking
about Religious Salvation. Get Over It! Pay Attention to what others whom you perceive to be your opponents say, and sometimes you might learn
something to your own benefit. And by benefit, I don't mean reinforcing your own ideas, but opening your mind up to new ideas and how you might be
wrong in your current stance. Forget the labels, Right, Left.... examine the FACTS and not just the Propaganda and then use your Common Sense to
understand what is a lie and what isn't.

my answer is hell no. not because of the individual but because the political system is set-up to reward greed and avarice ("good 'ol boy
network") and even the Messiah couldnt get through the ranks succesfully.
i wonder what kind of job the Messiah would have, if any. can one earn a living without taking from others? hmmmm......

No, he is the KING and this planet already belongs to him. He has no need to take what is already his.

thank you for that very straightforward and solid answer. about the Messiah, not Obama, right?

Except he's not a Christian and no one can save anyone, not even their self. Obama needs help, he needs to become a real Christian and that's for
any other one that calls theirself Christian.

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He has heard the Word and ignored him and accepted worship. He quotes from the Quran in one hand and mocks the Holy Bible in the other. The man is
clearly delusional about his own capabilities. It's kind of Ironic how Bill Clinton called Obama an amatuer 2 years ago and now he's on his knees
falling all over himself to kiss Obama's ass in his endorsement ads, almost like he's trying to brown nose a king.

PS. NOL are not considered Muslims because they reject the basic tenents of Islam, one thing they reject is every man regardless of race is equal
before God with the only thing separating one man from another before God being piety.

I think you have a typo there, and meant "NOI" for "Nation of Islam" rather than "NOL",

NOI is nothing more than a leftist political movement trying to hide behind a veneer of religion, embodied by Islam. Cone also is a leftist, and in
truth I've never seen a proponent of "Liberation Theology" of any stripe who was not a leftist, most of them flaming communists. They goddamned
near killed off all of Central America, and now they're trying to bring it to us.

Blood in the streets, folks, blood in the streets. It happened there, and there is no reason on Earth that it can't happen here.

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