Sorry dude - if you want the rest of the world to stop thinking that
people in your country are so bloody stupid, trying getting the 27
people who vote to vote for a president who has been to other countries
APART from Canada and who can locate some other countries without
prompting and maybe even speak another language AND demonstrate some
education.

Oh. And try to see if these are the sorts of people you can get onto
the American television programs that get sent overseas. (Feel free to
shoot people like Ricky Lake, if you like, then maybe all the "people"
on shows like hers will go back to their trailer homes and STAY there.
Never, ever to emerge)

Then maybe we might not have such a weird perspective of your people.

And maybe try to educate people a bit more - then when we scummy
foreignors tell them a bit about history they won't seem quite so
amazed and surprised as they usually are...

Sorry dude - if you want the rest of the world to stop thinking that
people in your country are so bloody stupid,

B: People don't think that about
the US. Some people may be furious at the US, or vociferously
disagree, but most don't think her stupid..that's my horse sense..

Oh. And try to see if these are the sorts of people you can get onto
the American television programs that get sent overseas. (Feel free to
shoot people like Ricky Lake, if you like, then maybe all the "people"
on shows like hers will go back to their trailer homes and STAY there.
Never, ever to emerge)

B: Oh, this is your view of the US
- the liberal US entertainment industry? OK, so you're calling
the US liberals/entertainers stupid...well, why didn't you clarify?

And maybe try to educate people a bit more - then when we scummy
foreignors tell them a bit about history they won't seem quite so
amazed and surprised as they usually are...

B: So great Kim, you've got
all these "solutions" for educating the imbecilic Americans - how about
turning your gaze in another direction and solving problems there,
too? Let's start with Kisumu, Kenya...what would you recommend,
oh wise one?

You can explain all you want face to face. These discussions don't lend themselves well to bipolar thinking. Somehow, you think it is an easy thing to conduct geo-politics? [I'm referring here to the US position in the 80s visa vi the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.] Or that you have all the answers...oh, yeah, we believe that as our faces drop in stunned amazement of all your perfect knowledge and at our perfect stupidity in comparison..please..

Brother, as I see it, its your own comments that sounds like "speechless" to the arguments presented. If you have any other view, it would be more prudent to be presented than simply turning away from it with such comments. Isn't it?

I am not "speechless" when it comes to presenting my argument about
Afghanistan. Just because the US and others supported the
indiginous populations against Russia in the 1980s (which never handed
control back to people of goodwill, in which elections and
Constitutions resulted) doesn't mean that what happened in 2002 was
without cause and without basis. That is what I mean by
complexities of geo-politics and why that topic doesn't lend itself
easily to bipolar or simplistic thinking..

Though not to support any regime, but fact remains "It is clear that Afghanistan is better and better off today than under the horrors of the Taliban.." was never the objective of american forces. Isn't it? Hence, it would be naive to consider such arguments for invasion in an independant country. Can similar arguments of "against rogue" regimes be applied for invasions in those countries be applied? Such as Cuba, N. Korea or for that matter Libya or Iran and many more? I don't think so.

I think whether nation building was the fomenting, straw that broke the
camels back and compelled action (9/11 slaughter was surely that) or
not, that is the resultant destiny of where we're all headed there (as
a world community.) As such, it's instructive to ask the question of
whether they're better off, since people are critical of the now.
But one must ask, what about the before now? That's only fair and
intellectually rigorous.

It's interesting that you call Afghanistan 'independent' when they were
under the thumbs of groups like Taliban and AQ - how is that
independent?

I agree with you that special cirumstances coalesced around the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.

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