Ive heard through the grapevine (my club site) that there are ESP Avengers... Great news for me because In my mind the perfect Avenger would be between the Z and the X in stability....
Theyre going to have some at the tourney I will be playing this weekend, I just hope they take checks because I only have enough cash for registration (mabey I can give them the check! )

yeah, I have been throwing the tsunami a bit lately also. Its lighter than I usually throw yet still more overstable than my Z avenger (which is a bit to hoggish for me to throw for distance). The X avengers break in really fast and in the process are great easy to control D drivers. This esp one is just stable enough to not break in too fast, but still get similar D. Im keeping the tsunami out of the bag until I decide wether I want to throw avengers and predators, or add another disc in there. ( I have yet found a reason to carry both, Z avengers are very similar new)

similar to a crush, but longer it flies more like an x avenger than a z, throw it next to a brand new x avenger and you can tell its alittle more stable, but its not going to break in like the x (ive given mine 100+ throws, plus 25 or so on the course, and its still more stable than a new x avenger. Not nearly as overstable and a new z avenger, or even my beat one for that matter. good luck finding one.