I guess in the UK they felt they had to retitle it because of the '60s series The Avengers? As if anybody who sees the ads for this movie could still be confused the two are unrelated. Haha!!

Anyway, the movie's not a high priority for me, but the score sure is. I just hope Joss Whedon gives Silvestri as much free range as Joe Johnston did for Captain America. I would imagine some of the characters might have new themes since their films had different composers, but I hope Silvestri is able to reprise his Cap theme.

I guess in the UK they felt they had to retitle it because of the '60s series The Avengers? As if anybody who sees the ads for this movie could still be confused the two are unrelated. Haha!!

Anyway, the movie's not a high priority for me, but the score sure is. I just hope Joss Whedon gives Silvestri as much free range as Joe Johnston did for Captain America. I would imagine some of the characters might have new themes since their films had different composers, but I hope Silvestri is able to reprise his Cap theme.

I loved Doyle's THOR theme but do the others really have a stand out memorable theme? (IRON MAN, HULK)

I loved Doyle's THOR theme but do the others really have a stand out memorable theme? (IRON MAN, HULK)

I don't think I even noticed a Thor theme, nor do I recall the others. (Then again, not liking those movies and thus having only seen them once could be a reason.) Captain America's theme has been the only one that's stuck with me since it was so bold and well-used like a theme should be.

I don't know if there will be enough breath to the picture to give a theme to EVERY hero, I doubt that. That would make sense in a opera by Wagner, or in a trilogy of 3 hour movies, but certainly not in the new Avengers movie.

Hard job to get those decisions right. From what I read I feel Silvestri will have a theme for all of theme probably, but on the other hand it would feel wrong to abandon Cap's theme, his own creation he can further develop.

Anyway, I am happy this will not be the Iron Man sort of scoring. But to develop the thematic conception for such a movie with multiple heroes is really not easy. It's not Lord of the Rings.

From what I read I feel Silvestri will have a theme for all of theme probably, but on the other hand it would feel wrong to abandon Cap's theme, his own creation he can further develop.

And also because Whedon has said the story is told from Cap's POV, since he's new to the contemporary world and still trying to adjust.

Ah, didn't know that - interesting.

Anyway, I am expecting familiar terrain - but the trend is promising : to have an orchestral symphonic score (hopefully but likely) in an major blockbuster film which brings us more of that kind of scoring in those films.

I think that since Iron Man has more of a memorable "sound" as opposed to a memorable "theme," Silvestri will just kinda do his own thing that's in the same ballpark. I would guess that the same thing is true of The Hulk (particularly since that was a Universal movie, and the Avengers is Disney with ties to Paramount).

I would guess that the same thing is true of The Hulk (particularly since that was a Universal movie, and the Avengers is Disney with ties to Paramount).

Universal Pictures just distributed The Incredible Hulk for Marvel Studios (Marvel financed the movie and so they own the rights to the music), so if Marvel required Silvestri to reference Armstrong's Hulk/Bruce theme -- no big problem.

And Disney owns The Avengers outright. Paramount is involved as a profit participant because they previously handled distribution duties for the first four Marvel productions, and Disney bought the last two films that were part of the deal. In fact, Paramount's not involved with promotion or marketing -- they get 8% of the box office profit for Avengers and 9% for Iron Man 3 at no cost to them.

And even when a franchise changes studios, the producers usually have no problem referencing the previous' films themes if it's well-loved or prominent. Like when Fox co-financed and released Dawn Treader two years ago, David Arnold was able to reference Gregson-Williams' themes from the Disney movies.

I guess in the UK they felt they had to retitle it because of the '60s series The Avengers? As if anybody who sees the ads for this movie could still be confused the two are unrelated. Haha!!

Anyway, the movie's not a high priority for me, but the score sure is. I just hope Joss Whedon gives Silvestri as much free range as Joe Johnston did for Captain America. I would imagine some of the characters might have new themes since their films had different composers, but I hope Silvestri is able to reprise his Cap theme.

That's the probem with what Johnston did. this is my assumption with the score. Is he probably told Silvestri to do whatever he wants but to give Cap. a march. Red Skull, Hydra, Howling Commandos, Cosmic Cube, and Peggy lacked themes. The score was good but could've been a lot better imo if each of the above mentioned had not only themes but strong themes. Hopefully Avengers will be heavily thematic and I'm not talking about each member having a theme , but I mean Loki, the aliens, cosmic cube. A bonus would be if Cap, Thor, Iron man, Hulk and S.H.I.E.L.D. have their own seperate themes. I have a feeling he wrote a theme for them as one, which is cool if it's "iconic"and perfectly symbolizes the Avengers.

1) I'm sure that Silvestri watched the movie, and wrote music that he thought was appropriate for it and which satisfied the director and producers' requests.

2) I really don't think every character and object in a movie needs to have a theme. There's definitely such a thing as overdoing it. Hyrdra did have a pretty clear theme to my ear. I think that if he tried to hit everything you're talking about the score would have become a cluttered mess. That approach with THE AVENGERS could well become a train wreck if each character, villain, and MacGuffin has it's own theme and one of them is always in the air.

1) I'm sure that Silvestri watched the movie, and wrote music that he thought was appropriate for it and which satisfied the director and producers' requests.

2) I really don't think every character and object in a movie needs to have a theme. There's definitely such a thing as overdoing it. Hyrdra did have a pretty clear theme to my ear. I think that if he tried to hit everything you're talking about the score would have become a cluttered mess. That approach with THE AVENGERS could well become a train wreck if each character, villain, and MacGuffin has it's own theme and one of them is always in the air.

Sorry if you thought I was being confrontational, but I guess the point I'm trying to get at is that it's too bad you seem to have decided that THE AVENGERS will be a lousy score in advance because it may or may not match what you think the music should be before you've even seen the film. I think Silvestri did a good job on CAPTAIN AMERICA (and on on G.I. JOE too, although the film is staggeringly awful), and I don't really understand how it can be described as inadequate for the film it is heard in. Is it possible that he won't take the approach you've prescribed on AVENGERS and still turn in a decent score? Maybe we should both see / hear it first and then evaluate how he did?

And as a tangent, like most people here, I love the Indy scores, but I think we can agree that few composers are on the level that John Williams was in the early 80s. You're right that CAPTAIN AMERICA isn't INDY, just as Joe Johnson isn't Spielberg, and, for all his talent, Silvestri isn't Williams. I don't really think he's trying to be, though: I think that like most composers, he's trying to come up with music that works for the movie, and most of the time, he seems to do it well.