Did you guys ever think the reason for the new BH deluxes is:
1- it's targeted towards younger kids on purpose
2- it was done a cost cutting measure

But most important of all:
3- the cost savings was used to strengthen the generations line

To me, if they had quality deluxes for the BH line (which is for a dead cartoon), then we would never would have gotten the Titan metroplex or any other of the quality generations stuff.

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Ya know... I am glad I aint a Beast Hunters fan. I... I actually kinda feel kinda bad for them with these Deluxe sized Cyberverse things. ANd selfishly, I'm glad it enables them to put more into MY classics stuff.

I feel like if they really wanted to save money for generations toys then the best way is not making a crappy toyline to a show that would be finished by the time the figures come out. Just focus on generations. Kids will buy toys no matter what. They see a name of a character they like and they will buy it.

I am sure more lines will get this upscaled treatment. I am hoping it will be towards the tail end of the toy lines days. That would be fine.

But also think of the flip side. How many deluxes did we say would be better as voyagers or voyagers as leaders. I bet no one would complain if astrotrain was released in the same mold but in a voyager size.

Do toyline budgets really work that way, cutting costs (somehow by making *larger* toys, new molds, all the paint aps, etc.) in one line to spend more in another? I'd think the budgets for Prime and Generations would be fairly separate, that Metroplex doesn't really have a bearing on these overgrown Legions and vice-versa, that his existence is due to Transformers becoming a major media franchise rather than anything else.

*shrug* Whatever, I'm passing on these like I do with most of the Prime line, anyways. But if this becomes a norm, replacing the standard Deluxes/Voyagers, well...

I'm willing to play devil's advocate for a second: if this means that kids with less money can get deluxe size toys in their hands, then I'm all for it.

How many parents can afford to drop $13.00 per character? And, frankly, legions have gotten too expensive. A minimum wage earner has to work a solid hour to get their kid one dinky little legion figure.

Maybe if they had called this "Deluxe Cyberverse," or "Super Cyberverse" people wouldn't have been so panicked and jumped to the conclusion that Hasbro got lazy or is trying to pull a fast one. Hasbro might just be trying to get toys to kids whose families have more pressing financial concerns.

I also dont think it would be as bad if they really were just simpler deluxes and not just legions that are already out blown up to deluxe size. Hopefully the rest is true and they dont follow suit with future lines.

i hope they are a separate line with 'deluxe' being the temporary name holder to indicate price range, they look like the fast action battler line from the movie which cost about the same as the deluxe so at least that wasn't completely unprecedented, i just hope they don't keep calling it 'deluxe' to dilute the label just so they can eventually turn all future deluxe into this garbage.

By allowing obviously inferior versions of the same characters to coexist on shelves with the originals, there is nothing that is attractive about them and since they remain BH Deluxes, nothing clearly communicates to parents that they are in a different age range. In short, the only informed consumers don't want them! That's bad!

Simplify the transformations all you want, that's justified, but the fact that Deluxes in the "kiddy" line have no joints, no detailing, and no originality is kind of insulting to those kids. And that makes me a little sad. Kids deserve quality and effort too.

You can't save money by making none. There is nothing that sells these toys, except for maybe the Preds.

If I may add, the TF4 toys will probably hit in April or May of next year, so the super-scaled Beast Hunters Cyberverse won't be on shelves for too long. Retailers may not even order them due to the impending movie and all that comes with it.

If we're really REALLY lucky, the stupid things may:

1. Never make it to mass retail like the FEs.
2. Get cancelled altogether like the tail end of DOTM.

What kid is so dumb that they can't figure out post-RotF Transformers? Especially the Predacons from BH.

Also, there is no excuse here, these are $13. I don't care who the market is supposed to be, they're worse than the $5 toys they're upscaled from.

There's being a Hasbro apologist and then there's drinking the Kool-Aid.

I'm also fairly certain as was mentioned previously, budget doesn't work that way. They're cutting corners on Beast Hunters to line their own pockets, not to make Generations better. What awesome, Rhinox-tier figures did we get in Prime because of the meh first few waves of Generations / the Generations figures in 2012?