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Never owned a Playstation console before, PS4 will be my first. It just beats Xbox One hands down. I don't even know what Nintendo is trying to do anymore, I think they need to go the way of Sega and focus on games.

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Hey boys it doesnt include a camera - lol you think gamers buy dance studio and start swinging ?Hell no fuck the camera and give me a controller - thats what gamers want.They dont want to swing their dick infront of a camera and scream fake voice commands.Just that damn controller and epic games.

Xbox is in for a world of hurt, this war is won by Sony.Each poll, each site, each blogger, each tube reporter, the whole fucking word says Sony won the heart of gamers.

Except the hardcore Xbox boys offcourse, they will eat shit from Microsoft and say it taste good.

Also extremely nice Sony dint give in to the microsoft / EA greed of only buying a licence to play a game and not realy own it.Or all those soldiers out there want doesnt have internet and want to chill out a little, and cant as Xbox needs to check your machine and disable gaming oO <-----disable your gaming machine you payed for <-----

List goes on and on and on.Ryse looked cool but thats it, Xbox Go Home.

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PS4 do not have damn spying "I can check if you're in the room and what you're watching and I am always turned on, have to be connected for console to work and I am always online" Kinect camera. Don't forget taht. This alone make PS4 win over damn Xbox.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

Where as Microsoft has done a great deal to hinder used game sales and such.

I mean come on... to trade a game these are some of the hoops you must go through. They must be on your friends list for 30 days or more before you can trade to them and after that the game can only be traded once?!

When you see no DRM from Sony what they are referring to is how pro-consumer the PS4 is in comparison to the Xbox One which seems to be extremely anti-consumer and anti used game sales.

It's the best and only route sonly could have went marketing wise, and smart of them to even make fun of microsoft for it. I don't know if this was the plan a month ago, but a college marketing grad could have told sony that they'd outsell microsoft easily if they just say one thing (NO DRM). Leave it on the software companies to instititute it, not the hardware companies.

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PS1-fantastic, amazing games
PS2-great, yet more amazing games
PS3-interesting, good games
PS4-me wants
Xbox-decent
Xbox 360-RROD King, good games
Xbox One- back to square one
$399 beats $499 simply 20% less.

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PS4 didn't win because of its price...the eye device will cost around $100.

The PS4 won because the XBOX ONE is taking away ownership rights of the game while still asking people to pay the full price for them. Now if MS had changed it so instead of paying $50 for the games, since we wont actually OWN them and instead...leased them to us for a period of time for say...$5. They may have pulled the rug out from under Sony while trying to kill the used game sales market.

“I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

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The ability to trade used games isn't a selling point for me. Sony pulled a great marketing move by offering a pared down PS4 (no camera, no their version of kinect, 500GB hd) for a little cheaper.

I'm curious how much a fully stacked XB1 and PS4 are going to cost? How much is the 1TB+ version? How much for all the peripherals? The prices don't seem that different to me. I don't like the idea that I need to pay extra for either service to play online games.

If they were a bit cheaper ($250 - $300), came with larger hard drives and 3D BD players then I could see buying one as a replacement to my current BD Player.

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Originally posted by plaxidia

Lets see.. No region lock -check No used game lock- check No online requirement - check Cheaper membership cost if one chooses to have it (I do) so many good, free PS+ games that I had to put in a 1tb hd in my ps3..

Some folks may be purchasing the xbox console for specific titles but I would have to venture a GUESS that gamers who like variety and flexibility will buy the Ps4. Especially with the price. So I would honestly have to predict that PlayStation will sell a retarded amount of these and that will mean even more games for those of us who want them since developers make games to make money and you don't make money if the console you develop for has fewer owners. :)

Actually it's more like this:

Region Lock: PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

Used Game Lock: PS4 - Publisher Decides, XB1 - Yes

Online Check: PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

Membership Cost: PS4 and XB1 are the same if you purchase monthly, both offer discounts on bulk time purchases. Both will offer free games to subscribers.

The vanilla offering of each will only have a 500GB hd. That can fill up fast. How much will it cost to upgrade each?

They really aren't too much different. Sony is more permissive which will appeal to younger (especially more cash strapped) gamers. Most older gamers I know don't worry about some of those things like region lock or online verification.

What happens if Microsoft loosens some of its more restrictive policies? Does that level the playing field? The smooth integration with Win8 and Win Phone 8 are also longer terms strengths for the XB1. The PS4 definitely has the advantage out of the gate, but long term it's still pretty open. Declaring victory this early is premature.

Here is where Microsoft turns out to be a big flop. The gaming community thrives on second hand and rental games. Why? Because games at the end of it are certainly expensive. Microsoft recently announced that it would be restricting the game distribution where you can resell a game only through a game publisher. Also, with the Xbox One while each game can be shared, it can be shared only once. Now that happens to be extremely restrictive.

Sony on the other hand has announced that the Sony PlayStation 4 will not come with any such restrictions. The console like previous iterations will not limit disc sharing and continues to have the same used games policy.

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Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by plaxidia

Lets see.. No region lock -check No used game lock- check No online requirement - check Cheaper membership cost if one chooses to have it (I do) so many good, free PS+ games that I had to put in a 1tb hd in my ps3..

Some folks may be purchasing the xbox console for specific titles but I would have to venture a GUESS that gamers who like variety and flexibility will buy the Ps4. Especially with the price. So I would honestly have to predict that PlayStation will sell a retarded amount of these and that will mean even more games for those of us who want them since developers make games to make money and you don't make money if the console you develop for has fewer owners. :)

Actually it's more like this:

Region Lock: PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

Used Game Lock: PS4 - Publisher Decides, XB1 - Yes

Online Check: PS4 - No, XB1 - Yes

Membership Cost: PS4 and XB1 are the same if you purchase monthly, both offer discounts on bulk time purchases. Both will offer free games to subscribers.

The vanilla offering of each will only have a 500GB hd. That can fill up fast. How much will it cost to upgrade each?

They really aren't too much different. Sony is more permissive which will appeal to younger (especially more cash strapped) gamers. Most older gamers I know don't worry about some of those things like region lock or online verification.

What happens if Microsoft loosens some of its more restrictive policies? Does that level the playing field? The smooth integration with Win8 and Win Phone 8 are also longer terms strengths for the XB1. The PS4 definitely has the advantage out of the gate, but long term it's still pretty open. Declaring victory this early is premature.

Us adults tend to worry more about costs and such than the younger kids so I'm not sure what you mean but that's neither here nor there.

In any case besides the obvious Sony has several other legs up on Microsoft at this point in time.

Indie Developers - Microsoft hasn't been overly nice to many of them and Sony is greeting them with arms wide open.

Blizzard - Yeah, Blizzard is talking console exclusives with Sony not only with Diablo 3 (Which sucked) but also future titles.

MMO's - While Microsoft is getting a few, Sony has been more open with MMO developers and have quite a few coming to it's system and many as console exclusives.

Bungie - Yes, the former Microsoft cash cow is not only bringing Destiny to the PS4 but it's also going to have exclusive content specifically for the PS4.

Accessibility - Sure, the Xbox One is looking to integrate with Win8 and Win8 phones... but guess what... Sony wants to integrate with everything oO! They are looking to use mobile devices, the Vita, PC's, Mac's, etc. They aren't limiting there selves like Microsoft is.

Hardware and Graphics - Sony simply wins here hands down and there is no debate on that.

Exclusives - PS4 has a good bit, Xbox One has very few. The Xbox One exclusives were a bit funny because most when announced they also said they will be on ,at the very least, PC as well.

I mean all in all, this list could continue to go on for a bit longer but I will stop here. Microsoft sacrificed a great deal to bring to the table a system that offers a ton of features that no one wants or needs. Sony on the other hand, even after beating Microsoft out in the last round of consoles stepped their game up and tried to deliver a end user driven gaming system. A system that was designed to enhance the gaming experience in every way they could think of and they even tried to deliver a system that developers wanted to develop for.

So what happens if Microsoft loosens some of the more restrictive policies? I don't think much, there is just so many bad decisions that its hard to see a bounce back. They have given gamers very little reason to buy an Xbox One. They've tried to branch out and be appealing to others but... the Xbox One really doesn't serve very much purpose outside of gaming considering the other functions it performs are performed better by existing devices.

Declaring victory this early is generally a bad idea but... the odds are overwhelmingly in Sony's favor here.