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Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

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Yeah, we probably won't resolve this one here tonight. I'll give you the AZ game, of those three, though. But not because of the FG. He did waste precious time on that final drive that we ended up needing badly at the end.

The question is meaningless without a point of comparison. I'll buy the premise that Garrett has cost the Cowboys wins in some games...but so has every coach in the history of the league. Before you can answer the question, you need a comparison between Garrett's game costing decisions and the game costing decisions of other coaches around the league.

Sorry everybody but thinking that perhaps even though Jason has been relieved of in-game OC responsibilities, we might learn that it *wasn't* the OC stuff that was responsible for our bad in-game/clock/etc. decisions. We might learn that it was just Jason. Hate to say that, but hey, Jason has been very consistent through his coaching career here.

My question: Where would we turn mid-season, if things turn bad, this season, next season? ... No young OC mind for a HC, nor would Kiffin or Marinelli could run the team much, or would you want them to. ... Who would be HC if we open bad this year, or next?

I think of why Wade was fired after 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, and hey, a playoff win! .. before the dreadful 1-7 start. Wade was still owed about $5 million on his contract at that point, which Jerry ate. ... (IMO Jerry wanted to begin the Jason Garrett era at that point, since he was paying Jason about as much as Wade or perhaps more even though Jason was just OC.) ... I will always wonder why the team played so bad in the 1-7 start. I can tell you that the most devoted players to Wade were the DL especially Rat. Rat brought his DL and perhaps some LBs around to listen to every word that Wade said after games, while other players were hollering in the shower and didn't bother coming out for the game ball presentations in the locker room, even when the Cowboys won. (Damn you figure it is easy to lose a team, if Wade could lose one after his good record here.)

At this point Jason isn't owed too much more than Wade was when he was fired - perhaps a million or two more, closer to $8-9 million or a little more over the next two seasons, so you would think Jerry would eat it if needed.

Jason's in-game gaffes kept coming last season, after a year-and-a-half of head coaching before that.

Jason's 8-8 records last two years have been completely consistent with his rank in scoring offense since he's been OC - completely average in the league, or a slot or two above. The outliers in his scoring offense being 2007 with way-high ranks with Sparano's designs (and Jason calling the plays (?) .. and in 2010 we were 9th I think in scoring offense in the dreadful year we opened 1-7 - I think because we were playing from behind with backups on the other team letting us move down the field and score at will, once we were down so many points, at least that first half of the season.

I'll shut up now.

Unlike previous years with young bucks like Rob Ryan who could have manned the HC thing mid-season, I don't know what we can do this season if s*** goes bad.

I don't mean this to be a snarky pessimistic question but just thinking that Jason may screw the pooch some weeks on the time clock etc. and cost us wins like he always has. Then what?

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Who gives a rat's furry ***? Interim coaches are a dozen for 10 cents.

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

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The New England game is the perfect example of our personnel costing us the game and there was nothing that could be done about it. An O-line that when attacked, got blown into the backfield. Followed by a defense that couldn't hold a lead.

Also though...what if, a player mental mistake, a penalty [alex barron hold] or one Witten's many false starts, what if those didn't happen, and Dallas at least made the playoffs, as well as winning the division.
What if Dez's finger didn't go out of bounds, and that game propelled the team to win the division. Would anyone put an emphasis on Jason's mistakes. Would they loom as large.
I doubt we would be saying, well it may cost them home field advantage. But I'm sure it would have been brought up.

If Dez's catch was good, we would be saying how Jason's team fought for him, he had them motivated to come from behind. The team plays for Jason.

Basically, and I know what you are saying, but this is a new year, new problems to solve, let's see what happens this year. Even though fans and especially the media can't let go of the past.

Sorry everybody but thinking that perhaps even though Jason has been relieved of in-game OC responsibilities, we might learn that it *wasn't* the OC stuff that was responsible for our bad in-game/clock/etc. decisions. We might learn that it was just Jason. Hate to say that, but hey, Jason has been very consistent through his coaching career here.

My question: Where would we turn mid-season, if things turn bad, this season, next season? ... No young OC mind for a HC, nor would Kiffin or Marinelli could run the team much, or would you want them to. ... Who would be HC if we open bad this year, or next?

I think of why Wade was fired after 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, and hey, a playoff win! .. before the dreadful 1-7 start. Wade was still owed about $5 million on his contract at that point, which Jerry ate. ... (IMO Jerry wanted to begin the Jason Garrett era at that point, since he was paying Jason about as much as Wade or perhaps more even though Jason was just OC.) ... I will always wonder why the team played so bad in the 1-7 start. I can tell you that the most devoted players to Wade were the DL especially Rat. Rat brought his DL and perhaps some LBs around to listen to every word that Wade said after games, while other players were hollering in the shower and didn't bother coming out for the game ball presentations in the locker room, even when the Cowboys won. (Damn you figure it is easy to lose a team, if Wade could lose one after his good record here.)

At this point Jason isn't owed too much more than Wade was when he was fired - perhaps a million or two more, closer to $8-9 million or a little more over the next two seasons, so you would think Jerry would eat it if needed.

Jason's in-game gaffes kept coming last season, after a year-and-a-half of head coaching before that.

Jason's 8-8 records last two years have been completely consistent with his rank in scoring offense since he's been OC - completely average in the league, or a slot or two above. The outliers in his scoring offense being 2007 with way-high ranks with Sparano's designs (and Jason calling the plays (?) .. and in 2010 we were 9th I think in scoring offense in the dreadful year we opened 1-7 - I think because we were playing from behind with backups on the other team letting us move down the field and score at will, once we were down so many points, at least that first half of the season.

I'll shut up now.

Unlike previous years with young bucks like Rob Ryan who could have manned the HC thing mid-season, I don't know what we can do this season if s*** goes bad.

I don't mean this to be a snarky pessimistic question but just thinking that Jason may screw the pooch some weeks on the time clock etc. and cost us wins like he always has. Then what?

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I think Jason gets this season to prove himself if the team wins then he will be back if not he will likely be gone.

I kid of course, he could never cost his team a win coz he haz da ringz

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Belichick is just playing the odds when he does that. He's one of very few HCs who have the gravitas to go against public opinion and take risks like that without fear of the lashback.
HCs make poor decisions all the time, but in every game where a specific HC decision likely affects the outcome, you're still going to have a dozen plays you can point to where player execution was more important.

Belichick is just playing the odds when he does that. He's one of very few HCs who have the gravitas to go against public opinion and take risks like that without fear of the lashback.
HCs make poor decisions all the time, but in every game where a specific HC decision likely affects the outcome, you're still going to have a dozen plays you can point to where player execution was more important.

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The rest of the NFL copies whatever Bellicheck does. He goes to a pass heavy offense, the rest of the league doe it, he uses 2 TE sets using 2 recieving TE's the rest of the league does it.... Bill goes for it on 4th down more than anyone else, ill bet you see people follow that too once it proves to be a good idea. The guy is an innovader