Bosh is out and Dwayne only had 5 points in Game 2.
George Hill is BEASTING on fools, and the shit disturber Granger is getting under LBJ's skin.
And last but not least Hibbert got post moves like a motha.

Whatever happened since passing on Granger, dealing the pick that ended up being Hibbert, missing George by a few picks ... it all led to the offseason of 2012 - where I think we're in the best state the franchise has been in for a looong time!

The only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show... and see if she likes the goods.

I don't think the torture is necessary. That pick was made on behalf of Indiana. The reality is Toronto most likely would not have even picked him.

The real issue is their drafting.Think the pick came as a surprise to them! In their defence, they probably knew what a good pick it was - immediately after he was pick though...lol! Don't think I will raise the ire of many posters with this statement but not a good drafting team after the lottery is putting it lightly. On a positive note, I strongly suspect DC/Stefanski influence will produce much better results.

The real issue is their drafting.Think the pick came as a surprise to them! In their defence, they probably knew what a good pick it was - immediately after he was pick though...lol! Don't think I will raise the ire of many posters with this statement but not a good drafting team after the lottery is putting it lightly. On a positive note, I strongly suspect DC/Stefanski influence will produce much better results.

From my memory in 2007 Hibbert was considered a top 5-7 pick coming out of Georgetown as a junior. He decided to go back and he ended up at 17.

For all this talk about players going back to increase their stock, I am struggling to think of any player who was a top 5 pick who went back and actually increased their stock. Blake Griffin is the only one coming to mind.

From my memory in 2007 Hibbert was considered a top 5-7 pick coming out of Georgetown as a junior. He decided to go back and he ended up at 17.

For all this talk about players going back to increase their stock, I am struggling to think of any player who was a top 5 pick who went back and actually increased their stock. Blake Griffin is the only one coming to mind.

Real danger with this draft...lol! At least they are in the lottery where it's much harder to totally mess things up. Looks like the premium on potential and athleticism might be too high?

Hibbert
Granger
Collison (this one is even dumber, but remember how a bunch of us were crying out for BC to trade for him when NO let it be known they were willing to deal him?)

I'm by no means a draft pundit or anything but i remember hoping Granger and Hibbert would be drafted and being enraged when the likes of Joey Graham and Jermaine O'Neal became raptors instead. Especially JO.

And now here i sit, watching the team of "could have been raptors" enjoy playoff success.

Good thing to remember though is how long it took Granger and especially Hibbert develop. We (i'm looking at you, BC) gotta be patient with our young guns. Is this the offseason to go out and get a couple solid vets for a shootout at the OK corral, or should we wait another year, not just for the new draft pick but to let big Val and whoever we draft develop THEN go to war?

Hibbert
GrangerCollison (this one is even dumber, but remember how a bunch of us were crying out for BC to trade for him when NO let it be known they were willing to deal him?)

I'm by no means a draft pundit or anything but i remember hoping Granger and Hibbert would be drafted and being enraged when the likes of Joey Graham and Jermaine O'Neal became raptors instead. Especially JO.

And now here i sit, watching the team of "could have been raptors" enjoy playoff success.

One day it'll be us, one day! *single tear*

I was one of those. I still think he can be good but, like so many players, it depends on the situation and system he is in.

Granger and AI are really sore points for me. I sat through each draft and had fingers crossed for both only to be let down.

Good thing to remember though is how long it took Granger and especially Hibbert develop. We (i'm looking at you, BC) gotta be patient with our young guns. Is this the offseason to go out and get a couple solid vets for a shootout at the OK corral, or should we wait another year, not just for the new draft pick but to let big Val and whoever we draft develop THEN go to war?

It makes my brain hurts just thinking about it all

I must admit that the first couple of years of Hibbert I thought he wasn't going to amount to much. His development the last season and half or so has really sped up... on both sides of the ball. Thats what I am hoping ED is going thru. But then again we have Jim Kelly as our head of scouting! (sorry, some Raptor fan fatalism there).

I still think Ed is going to be solid. Never claimed he'd be a star but i think a great bench player borderline starter is what he'll be. We'll see what an actual offseason/training camp/same system will do for him. He showed some real game at the end of the season when he was getting burn.

As for Demar my thing with him is how he seems to think he's exponentially better than he actually is. His "all i need to work on is defense" comments REALLY irked me. There's half a dozen things on offense you still need to work on, butthead. Sigh.

Bayless is functionally retarded so the best we can hope for is he lives to about 30