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^That is 6 people too many to be killed at a public meeting. What the frak is wrong with some Americans?

This guy was unstable for a while. He was kicked out of College until he got a psych eval (he never did, instead he dropped out) and he was rejected by the Army for "unspecified" reasons. It seems pretty clear this guy was messed up, the question is, why didn't anyone get him help, or did they?

Very sad situation. I can only imagine what family and friends of the victims are going through. Giffords husband is an astronaut, and it is unclear now if he will be going on the final shuttle mission in a couple months. I doubt he will, this type of thing takes intense training for months, no way I'd be able to focus.

This guy was unstable for a while. He was kicked out of College until he got a psych eval (he never did, instead he dropped out) and he was rejected by the Army for "unspecified" reasons. It seems pretty clear this guy was messed up, the question is, why didn't anyone get him help, or did they?

Meet the Press had some interesting discussion about yesterday's tragedy. Not to get political or shift my comments to the Rancor Pit, but they did draw attention to how uncivil both parties have become in their public debate over issues.

Your comment "why didn't anyone get him help," is particularly insightful and I fear may get lost in the discussion in the days ahead.

It seems pretty clear this guy was messed up, the question is, why didn't anyone get him help, or did they?

I have a relative who is "insane" whom we have had to deal with over the years. The way the system is set up, you can't do anything for them unless 1) They want help, 2) They are a proven danger to others, or 3) They are a proven danger to themselves. It was set up to protect their rights, but in the end, it does more harm to them because they don't get the treatment they need.

Yeah, this guy was all over the map, reading everything from Ayn Rand to Karl Marx. I couldn't care less about his political leanings, he was unbalanced. He was also a conspiracy theory nut job, MKULTRA, blah blah blah. Sadly, I suspect he is schizophrenic and/or bipolar.

Sadly the college that basically kicked him out didn't follow up in any way, they had reason to suspect he was unbalanced.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have any sympathy for the devil here. I just wish this guy had gotten help before 6 innocent people were killed.