I don’t think we should go DB in round 1, I would prefer LB, but this dude is a stud.

Remember the difference Hester made for the Bears? He was a 3rd round pick, and nowhere near the defensive player as Arenas.

Production, production, production….that’s what we need to focus on. Everybody wants an O-lineman, but if we take that kid from Maryland with the best forty time for an OT on a crappy offense, he will be a bust.

I just want the most productive player at the position we draft. Doesn’t matter to me what position, this Raiders team can be upgraded at literally every position but kicker.

Statiscally we are the worst team at returning kicks, and one of the worst returning punts.

This had to be addressed!! If it is Nick Miller fine. If it is Areans in round 2, fkn fantastic.

With our inept offense, an occasionally kick/punt returner to shorten the field would do wonders.

daraider09

Anyone see Favre splike the ball last night and get no flag? The double standard in this league makes it unfair and unwatchable sometimes. I mean what happens EVERY time a Raider does that? Yeah, 15 yrds. OR in Zach Miller’s case, drops the ball, not even spiking it. Rediculous.

jhill

We have Nick Miller, we don’t need Arenas as a KR.

M Lonetree

Why go for an itty bitty Red Tider when you can go for the best? Draft Usain Bolt. Mount Davis could then be turned into a Jamaican Smoking Area.
Might not make for a better football team but there would be plenty of smiles and very happy gulls.

Bush and Dmac together on all downs every down would be an extremely hard duo to defence.

If anyone can forward this up the line please do so

los raiders de don rober

Jim Fassell’s kid did a hellova job ruining the return game…. Isn’t Cable in contract for next year? Al would have to fire him for cause if that were the case. Time to polish up the ol’ overhead projector baby!

vegas raider,
I’ve been glancing at some of the mock drafts and scouting reports and haven’t seen his name at the top of any list. It will all change by March anyway.
Taking a CB first, I would disagree with that, but to throw in the Kick returner arguement will get a definite negative response.
I think we stand a better chance of taking Usain Bolt in the 7th.

if i didn’t know better, i would swear that the league saw that the Raiders were getting good at something… then decided that just could not be allowed to stand…

hence the rule change this past summer:

The kicking team now is prohibited from bunching too many players in the middle of the field, or on a single side of the field. That eliminates dangerous scrambles involving too many players on onside kicks.

The receiving team now is prohibited from using a blocking “wedge” of more than two players on a kickoff return.

NorthernD

Florida Pete,
I think those had more to do with concussions. Once a game you’d see the wedge, or wedge buster laying on the ground with a bent coconut.
Bringing in the no contact after 5 yards, was definitely brought in to defeat the Raiders man defence.

We should have never allowed our ST coach to leave for USC…the loss of schneider and Rathman over the past two seasons has really hirt this team. I don’t care if they were kiffin guys, they were producing results and should have been retained at all costs.

LOL at Usain Bolt. He doesn’t have to go through the draft process, if we want him we can sign him today.

Kick-return is a big part of the game, and has crippled our offense with awful field-position all year. Again, it was a joke about Arenas (drafting a DB at #7), but if you think PR/KR is not important than I can’t help you.

My whole point is to draft production, not measurables, you know like the whole DHB/Crabtree deal that worked so brilliantly for us. Arenas is one of the best CB’s in the country, and I think an immediate difference-maker. If he is there in the 2nd and we pass on him, we will regret it. And if we pass on him, it will be because he is 5’9 and Al will rather draft a DB from the University of Tulsa who runs a 4.3 and is 6’2.

Florida Pete

please…

my al davis apologist days are over…

results matter…

i have a business partner who likes to tout his 30 plus years in the business…

at our last meeting i told him that those 30 years mean nothing to me… what he has done over the past 3 years is all that matters…

LOL at Usain Bolt. He doesn’t have to go through the draft process, if we want him we can sign him today.
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Are you sure? I thought all players have to declare for a draft before they can just sign with a team. I know baseball has an exception for foreign players, but I didn’t think the NFL had that same exception.

Chris in NY

Pete,

That rule was put in because that dude from the Bills got paralyzed on a kick return with the wedge.

Although it’s worth noting that the Texans clearly used a wedge on that kick return TD against us and it wasn’t flagged.

SnB offense defense specialteams

KoolKell is simply keeping the focus where it belongs. Its easy to get distracted with discussion about coaches and 1st round busts.

Al Davis makes all of these disasterous decisions

NorthernD

Vegas,
I agree that KR/PR is an important part of the game. I remember Rich Upchurch of the donkeys scaring the cr@p out of me. But that is something better addressed with a later round pick. Running full speed into an oncoming mass of humanity requires financial incentive.

As for taking a 5’9″ CB, it just doesn’t seem likely with Al, however talented he may be. They were fools for passing on Ed Reed and Bob Sanders, but they just didn’t meet the Raider standard.
I’m sure you can just look at a list of prospects by now and figure out which ones are on the Raider list and which ones aren’t.

Chris in NY

Can’t make it to the chat today. Someone please ask Jerry this:

What are the chances Cable stays under each of the following circumstances: A) We get blown out by Baltimore. B) Lose a close, competitive game. C) Win.

M Lonetree

408,

that link you gave regarding the Colts forum reminded me of something Dilfer said last night. Trent said that no matter how much NFL coaches and executives deny that there is an influence, behind closed doors many decision makers ARE influenced by the press, the fans and the talking head opinionators.

Good for Caldwell and Polian that they didn’t listening to the talking heads and they rested their meal tickets in a meaningless game (that the donks are now squarely behind the eight ball because of the Jets victory vindicates the decision completely). If Addai or Clark or Wayne or any of the others had ripped a knee by playing then those same fans so outraged that the Colts dared to lose a regular season game for the first time in a year and a half would have been howling at the waste.

Fan(atacism) is an untrustworthy base for decision making.

Can anyone be as selfish as the players of the Florida Gator football team? They beg a man who has had heart problems for four years to continue to coach them even if it might kill him. A new low reached.

I had to laugh when Cable was touting 6 wins as some great goal or achievement for this team at the press conference. Wow, that would be a 1 game improvement over last season…sign that man up to an extension!

Imagine how good we will be in 7 years under Cable!!!!!

Florida Pete

what i don’t understand is a team’s willingness to pay an unproven rookie the same as an established free agent…

at a minimum, i would dispatch coaching staff around the country to investigate every potential 1st round pick that i might be interested in…

the objective: investigate character and dedication to football… interview not just coaches but friends, relatives, enemies, pastors, teachers, anybody with anything to say about the kid…

i know i said it before… but if it’s my money and i have a top 15 pick… i draft a solid 3rd rounder and offer 3rd round money… take it, leave it, wouldn’t matter to me… but i won’t be out 30 million over some 20 year old…

What do you guys think about Trindon Holliday, the KR/PR/RB/WR from LSU in the middle rounds of the draft? He’s like 5-6, 165 or something but runs a 4.2 and is extremely quick. Could be another Sproles.

I know Al is all about Height/Weight/Speed guys and Holliday is only one of those things. But I think he could be a real big-play weapon. And big plays are what you need to win in the NFL right now. Plus we need a legitimate KR — who ever heard of using fullbacks to return kicks?

M Lonetree

Dakota,

a friend of mine works at the Westin on Maui and he said that the whole Ken Griffey clan (senior and junior etc.) was in the bar watching football last night. My friend identified himself as a Cubs fan and Griffey offered to buy him a drink out of sympathy.