Ah, Jude, you reminded me of those André Simon tasting notes on the first wine books I ever read. I like the "petticoat" analogy very much.

Haven't had the '99 yet, but as a point of info for those of us in NYC, the '98 is popping up all over at substantially reduced prices. Apparently many stores weren't able to move it for the original asking price, a ridiculous $38, but now it's more in the $30 and slightly below neighborhood.

Young Ardanza can be quite corseted. With a few years, it turns into beautiful food wine, though.

Manuel Camblor wrote:Ah, Jude, you reminded me of those André Simon tasting notes on the first wine books I ever read. I like the "petticoat" analogy very much.

Haven't had the '99 yet, but as a point of info for those of us in NYC, the '98 is popping up all over at substantially reduced prices. Apparently many stores weren't able to move it for the original asking price, a ridiculous $38, but now it's more in the $30 and slightly below neighborhood.

Young Ardanza can be quite corseted. With a few years, it turns into beautiful food wine, though.

This was about 35 euros in a moderately priced restaurant here in Sevilla, and I've seen it at around 15 retail here. I was struck when we were talking about Albarino elsewhere at the enormous markup between retail here and retail in the States. There's shipping and duty of course, plus the currency conversion, but it seems to me that Spanish wines are marked up more than say French or Italian. This is just an impression and I might be wrong but it is perhaps the price of being a la mode.

The mark-ups for Spanish wines on this side of the water never cease to amaze me. Just go here http://www.pjwine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTG2&Store_Code=pjs&Category_Code=6+6 and take a gander at the prices. You'll notice that the average is in the $25-30 range these days, which places Spain rather outside the "Value Central" category. I purposefully chose that merchant, because I feel the prices there are someofthe most advantageous in town. You'll find many of the wines retailing for more elsewhere.

Hard to say who the greedy ones beind those mark-ups are. We just know there is greed aplenty.

Manuel Camblor wrote:The mark-ups for Spanish wines on this side of the water never cease to amaze me. Just go here http://www.pjwine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTG2&Store_Code=pjs&Category_Code=6+6 and take a gander at the prices. You'll notice that the average is in the $25-30 range these days, which places Spain rather outside the "Value Central" category. I purposefully chose that merchant, because I feel the prices there are someofthe most advantageous in town. You'll find many of the wines retailing for more elsewhere.

Hard to say who the greedy ones beind those mark-ups are. We just know there is greed aplenty.

Yes - the prices for the table wines are high. Nice source for Generosos though - the prices on the Barbadillo and Alvear seem much more in the range of a reasonable mark up.

Manuel Camblor wrote:That's because of Sherry's notorious difficulty of movement in these markets. The last remaining great wine bargains from Spain, they are.

Did I ever mention that, apart from López de Heredia and Sherry, Spain is pretty much dead to me, wine-wise?

I believe you may have mentioned this somewhere once or twice, yes.

To be honest I'm getting quite excited about the Albarinos I've been trying (of which more soon), Much more personality and interest than the majority of local reds I've had recently and a real sense of place, even if some of them are stylistically a little more demonstrative than I personally like.

'96 was a very nice Ardanza, round and with unusual plushness from the git-go, but also with lovely structure. I will now proceed to kick myself for not having stashed away a few. The '98 is a more angular wine, a reflection of the vintage. But time in bottle since its release (it's been around a while) has been kind to it.

I recently heard something about the proportion fo Garnacha in Viña Ardanza being decreased in subsequent vintages, but can't confirm it. Maybe it's just gossip.

Which Albariños, Jude? Spill, spill... I must say that I've been less than thrilled by many of the 2004s I've tried. Some decent wines, but nothing to shake me out of the genral funk I'm in regarding Spain. Fefiñanes was correct, but not especially exciting. Pazo Pondal, ditto. Don Olegario, from that new bodega on my map, was a bit confected and New-Worldishly tropicalistic. Granbazán didn't move me. Pazo de Señorans was rather limp.

All things considered, not a one of them made me think that I would not rather be drinking Muscadet. Or a nice Vin de Savoie.

The '98 is a more angular wine, a reflection of the vintage. But time in bottle since its release (it's been around a while) has been kind to it

I had been shying away from '98 since having it on release but now I'll have to see if I can find some shelf-clearing sales. Thanks.
Less garnacha? It had been what, 20% or so? Does this rumor call for more tempranillo or maybe adding mazuelo or graciano?

Manuel Camblor wrote:Which Albariños, Jude? Spill, spill... I must say that I've been less than thrilled by many of the 2004s I've tried. Some decent wines, but nothing to shake me out of the genral funk I'm in regarding Spain. Fefiñanes was correct, but not especially exciting. Pazo Pondal, ditto. Don Olegario, from that new bodega on my map, was a bit confected and New-Worldishly tropicalistic. Granbazán didn't move me. Pazo de Señorans was rather limp.

All things considered, not a one of them made me think that I would not rather be drinking Muscadet. Or a nice Vin de Savoie.

M.

You'll have to wait for my round up (coming soon to a board near you, or more likely several boards !) for specifics but I doubt there will be any real surprises in there. I may well be easier to excite than you, and I am genuinely pleased to have found a segment of Spanish wines that, although largely modern in character, are not made from international grape varieties, can in their better instances express terroir and which are distinguishable from, in particular, oceans of New World wines. I always ask myself if I will bother to drink these wines when I leave Spain and the recent sampling of Navarra wines left me saying, across the board, why bother ? Albarino I would seek out - it may not be my absolute favourite seafood wine but it is another option, it is a taste of Spain and I haven't yet reached the point where I want to drink muscadet every single breaklfast-time.

Haven't had the '99 yet, but as a point of info for those of us in NYC, the '98 is popping up all over at substantially reduced prices. Apparently many stores weren't able to move it for the original asking price, a ridiculous $38, but now it's more in the $30 and slightly below neighborhood..

Manuel, as I was reading Jude's report, I found myself thinking...Manuel HAS to see this. I knew it would be a wine that you would like or more than like. I wish we out here in the hinterlands never see wines like these, and it almost makes me wish I lived in NYC!