Wednesday, January 21, 2009

FOP Update and Meeting

The Core Group met with the City on Friday as the collective bargaining process rolls on. Issues that were discussed included:

Lowering the age to 55 from the current 60 for Retiree Health Insurance coverage;

Wage increases;

Reorganizing Section 23.8 relative to bid units;

Discipline issues;

Military Leave issues;

and the financial situation of the City.

We are now getting into the issues of most importance. Each of these issues is still open for more discussion which will take place at the next Core Group meeting scheduled for 26 January. We anticipate having a full negotiations team meeting shortly after that at which time we will discuss the current status of negotiations and what course we will take in the future.

Also from the meeting, there are no negotiations taking place that do not include retro. They were pretty adamant about it. Retro is coming. Someone is feeling the heat.

92 Comments:

lowering the age for health insurance to 55, how about to 50, if people started the job at 21,22,23,24,25,26 they are pretty much either not going to benefit from this or will have to work a couple of extra years for free!

Has anyone else seen the hilarious video at roll call with J-Fed and the brass trying to motivate us by saying "they are behind us, so don't be afraid to go out there and be the police." They continued to say "we all make mistakes, but if you have good intentions and act reasonably we will back you" After we left roll call we all stood around and laughed for a few minuets. Even the Capt. thought it was funny. I have no idea how they can say things like that and expect even the newest copper to believe them. They're all lying politicians. This job is a huge fucked up bureaucracy and will never change. The amount of paper generated for the smallest and most senseless things is amazing.

Most of us know it will always be different rules for different folks and if you don't have a phone call you will be screwed! Every boss is out for themselves only and will always want to make themselves look good in the eyes of their bosses. Screwing a P.O. means nothing to them no matter what J-Fed and the brass say in a video. It's all part of the bureaucracy.

"Also from the meeting, there are no negotiations taking place that do not include retro. They were pretty adamant about it. Retro is coming. Someone is feeling the heat."

Someone is feeling the heat??? I think not. The FOP officers get the same raise we get. If you want to believe "heat" from anonymous postings on this blog did the trick, so be it, click your heels three times and it will be that way.

MILITARY LEAVE IS UNTOUCHABLE_ITS FEDERAL LAW UNLESS THE DEPART WANTS TO PAY US FOR STATE SIDE DEPLOYMENTS> SO I HOPE THEY COME UP SOME CITY RULE THAT SAYS I CANT DO THIS OR THAT WITH THE MILITARY DURING A TIME OF WAR AND I CANT WAIT TO SUE AND WIN! ALD BALCER IS NO FRIEND OF VETERANS! THIS DEPT TRYS TO HELP US BY GIVING US A RIBBON FOR FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY-WELL HOW ABOUT PROMOTION POINTS ON TESTS. HOW ABOUT LESS HASSEL WHEN WE GO ON LEAVE AND RETURN-I>E KIM DOLEY. SEMPER FI

City cant stop you from deploying wether you vomunteer or are called up for service with the Resv or National Guard. Per Title 10 and Title 30 U.S.C. Lawyers will help you for free should you have an issue with the city of chicago. Also by law and contract the city has to give you any and all promotion tests up your return from service. These Aldercreatures are jjust looking to put their names out there. None truly know what the law is or how it is applied to veterans.

Any problems with deployments or returning Contact ESGR Employer Support for the Guard and Reserve www.esgr.mil or 800-336-4590 USERRA is the law that protects the veteran and his job. FOP better not give up anything on this issue. As a wounded combat veteran i will organize the march on City Hall will all the TV stations present to say that this mayor and city council supports a gay high school but cant help veterans. Hurrah 0311

Per the Aldermans website FAx Alderman BAlcer 773-254-8776 with your concerns about military deployment. Lets see just how supportive he truly is to veterans and the deployment issue. Why is deployment even up for negeociation/Its Federal Law.

Fix Military Deploments-Well you can start be not treating us like pieces of crap. We are abused both going and returning by this city and dept.Why when you return from military leave do you have to fuillout tons of paperwork.Even a sheet that askes for all our passed employements its like being re-hired all over again. I wonder are we jsut removed from the rols.maybe thats why after going to combat and returning to the dept it took over 2 months to get paid.All the city has to do is give us a physical and run our names. Why if we are honored with a silly ribbon doesnt this Balcer guy and Daley stand up for us isntead of just standing next to us for the cameras???? NYPD lets its pos keep their shields and ids and even pays them. NYPD had an officer die in Iraq and they even paid his death benefit on top of the military SGLI. Maybe thats because their dept honors their vets.

Back in the 1970s there was a Po who was a 2 star general with the Airforce Resv. In 6 yrs we will have another PO make 1 star general.We already have many POs and Decs that are LTCs and COLs and have lead troops in combat."It is wonderful to be surrounded by some of the bravest amongst us"-President Obamma last night at Commander in Chief Ball

All the alcohol related provisions the City had asked for have now been conglomerated into "discipline issues?" Please do not change our disciplinary process, I am not going to be blowing in breath machines just because some asshole down at city hall thinks it is a good way to make the City look good. Also what about the recording of IPRA statements? Why do they need a recording? The FOP has the deck stacked in their favor, don't make any concessions to the city concerning discipline, you will be throwing your members under the bus.

The VA has some very competent lawyers on staff to assist Vets in their problems with the city. Years ago I advised one of my men to go to the VA after being screwed with over cadet time senority and military service. He got full senority after one phone call from the VA lawyer.

I don't know if you all know this, but the department pays your full salary while you are deployed to a combat zone. If you are mobilized stateside, they pay the difference. That's because this is in the current contrace, I hope they don't change this.

Federal law doesn't say that they have to continue paying you, your job is guaranteed when you return, that's it.

Since this is my first deployment, I don't know what to expect when I come back...any veterans out there?

I'm sorry but is anyone else hear "sick" of hearing about this military leave?

If you signed up for the military than you can be shipped to fight. Why are you crying about it? You want extra pay...a welcome home party... awards...not to fill out paperwork when you come back. Quit your crying!

I am a mma fighter and I have fought in over 20 sanctioned arenas because that's what I signed up for! I'm not expecting extra pay from my employer (CPD) So do what you signed up for and STFU!

If you want to see some "real" combat come and watch me fight. More than 95% of you that get shipped out don't even fire your gun!!!

FOP the Compromisers will not get tough with the city, they are all Sheep. Hang in Troops, the warm weather is just ahead, and so is the Picketing, of City Hall, CPD H.Q, & FOP Hall. The plans are already unerway. 3 Dats, 3 Locations, with Fox News invited first.

Daley may have clout on a national level,however if he thinks he can interfere with military leave in any way,shape or form,(you know how the city tries to do an end-around the established rules)he will be ordered,if by force to sit in front of panel of federal judges to explain why he attempted to interfere with federal laws pertaining to officers taking military leave to defend the country. 'HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE STUPID,BUT HE AINT STUPID AND DUMB".

You haven't heard shit! Either you are telling lies or you are some ass-scarf (see other thread)that doesn't want a new schedule for what ever reason! Stop shoving your hand up your ass and licking your fingers! It makes you speak of shit!

To all soldiers that took Military related leave if you feel you are being hassaled in any way by the departmment,by all means file a complaint with the federal authorities and also inform them that as a result of being harassed that you now suffur from post-traumatic stress syndrom because you want to do your patriotic duty but the city wont allow you to take the leave necessary to defend your country."MR MAYOR WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP THIS WAY WITH ME AND PLEASE A DON'T MAKE SCENE WHEN WE TAKE YOU OUT IN PUBLIC IN HANDCUFFS"." HELLO,MR.SUPT. WOULD YOU MIND GOING WITH US PLEASE"

Anonymous said... lowering the age for health insurance to 55, how about to 50, if people started the job at 21,22,23,24,25,26 they are pretty much either not going to benefit from this or will have to work a couple of extra years for free!

1/21/2009 12:44:00 AM

This contract 55, to get it on paper. Next contract 50 even if we go to arbitartion. Thou to get 50 the retiee may have to be at least 20 years or more. Need to get the break though issue on paper first.

The city has NO economic problems. Daley is sittng on billions which he wants to use for his Olympic dream. If the FOP does not present evidence of this fact to the arbitrator than it is as we have always known......Mark is Richie's cock puppet.

So over the last 19 months you were discussing the LEAST IMPORTANT ISSUES!!! ___________________________________Hey FNG, the city always takes years to settle our contract. It sucks but its nothing out of the usual. Now go out with your "platoon" or whatever you 3 year TRU guys call it and lock up someone with "a strong smell of burnt cannabis" and a bag of weed in their pocket.

Anonymous said... Back in the 1970s there was a Po who was a 2 star general with the Airforce Resv. In 6 yrs we will have another PO make 1 star general.We already have many POs and Decs that are LTCs and COLs and have lead troops in combat."It is wonderful to be surrounded by some of the bravest amongst us"-President Obamma last night at Commander in Chief Ball

1/21/2009 07:32:00 AM

-----------------------------------Big deal 021 has a Commander thats a Four Star Asshole.

Anonymous said...Has anyone else seen the hilarious video at roll call with J-Fed and the brass trying to motivate us by saying "they are behind us, so don't be afraid to go out there and be the police." They continued to say "we all make mistakes, but if you have good intentions and act reasonably we will back you" After we left roll call we all stood around and laughed for a few minuets. Even the Capt. thought it was funny. I have no idea how they can say things like that and expect even the newest copper to believe them. They're all lying politicians. This job is a huge fucked up bureaucracy and will never change. The amount of paper generated for the smallest and most senseless things is amazing.

Most of us know it will always be different rules for different folks and if you don't have a phone call you will be screwed! Every boss is out for themselves only and will always want to make themselves look good in the eyes of their bosses. Screwing a P.O. means nothing to them no matter what J-Fed and the brass say in a video. It's all part of the bureaucracy.

1/21/2009 01:55:00 AM

I'll believe Jody Weis is behind me when I see him grab some shithead by the neck and slap the shit out of him and then throws some cuffs on him.

"Has anyone else seen the hilarious video at roll call with J-Fed and the brass trying to motivate us by saying "they are behind us, so don't be afraid to go out there and be the police." They continued to say "we all make mistakes, but if you have good intentions and act reasonably we will back you" After we left roll call we all stood around and laughed for a few minuets."

The whole thing engineered by Masters as spin control as a direct result of what is posted on this blog. Keep up the good work! Two more years of this nonsense before the caveman, the wonder boy, and the play police policy group find themselves on the outside looking in. maybe then we can go back to being the real police. Until then, there is no way I'm sticking my neck out hoping one of these clowns are going to "back" me.

How about compelling the City to include a categorical and unequivocal written definition of the word "MERIT" and the criteria for same as it applies to promotions, assignments, extradepartmental education, etc.

Would that be asking too much?

If the City refuses to do so, even oblivious citizens will realize that something sinister is afoot despite J-Fed's bunco promise for a "transparent" process.

Obviously, sworn CPD readers know that Chicago-style "merit" is nothing more than a euphemism for corrupt political clout. However, naive taxpayers could understandably ask "What's wrong with merit?" The best and the brightest. BULLSHIT!

Noah Webster would roll over in his grave if he knew how this cesspool of a city has bastardized a perfectly good word.

To those that post on the blog, please substitute CLOUT for "merit" or at least use quotation marks. If you want to "tone down" CLOUT, then say "arbitrary management discretion".

One thing is certain. Actual merit has nothing to do with this outrage.

I am a CPD member who deployed to Afghanistan in 2007. The City of Chicago, Mayor Daley, Phil Cline (Supt. Weis wasn’t in yet) and my fellow department members treated me like gold. There isn’t another city that treats their reservists any better. God Bless, Mayor Daley, Phil Cline, and my brothers and sisters in the CPD. As I ran like a scared little rabbit into a hole when the occasional rocket/s would hit the base or when I strapped myself into one of those flying bricks (helicopters) for a mission I knew that no matter what my family would be taken care of. It was a good feeling and allowed me to do my job there and come home in one piece physically & mentally. Sid Davis and Sol T (personnel) were pretty good too. The CPD does a lot better than the NYPD in this matter. Thank you, everybody it meant a lot.

Anonymous said... I am a mma fighter and I have fought in over 20 sanctioned arenas because that's what I signed up for! I'm not expecting extra pay from my employer (CPD) So do what you signed up for and STFU!

If you want to see some "real" combat come and watch me fight. More than 95% of you that get shipped out don't even fire your gun!!!

If you want to see some "real" combat come and watch me fight. More than 95% of you that get shipped out don't even fire your gun!!!

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If there is even an iota of sincerity to this post, you are a complete fuckin' tool. Just another example of what's wrong with this department and the mental-midgets it hires. And we wonder why people hate the police? Consider yourself near the top of the list, jagballs.

Please go on the FOP website under the surveys and post your comments about the new schedules if they apply to you. If they don't get input from all affected, we're going to end up with something we do not want.

lowering the age for health insurance to 55, how about to 50, if people started the job at 21,22,23,24,25,26 they are pretty much either not going to benefit from this or will have to work a couple of extra years for free!

--- F* That! There's life out there bud. Getting up and going right to work isn't what I'm looking for. You spend your entire day traveling to work, working, traveling from work and your 4 days off are spent catching up on all the BS that you can't do on work days. Defeats the purpose if you ask me. I'd vote NO in a heartbeat.

We've updated the retro check estimator on our website to include pay grades, overtime, and tax/pension withholdings. Again, it's just an estimate; I could be way off. Please let me know if you think I'm doing something wrong.

Hey FNG, the city always takes years to settle our contract. It sucks but its nothing out of the usual. Now go out with your "platoon" or whatever you 3 year TRU guys call it and lock up someone with "a strong smell of burnt cannabis" and a bag of weed in their pocket.

1/21/2009 01:56:00 PM

Guy, is someone at TRU tagging your old lady? Where the fuck did that come from? Holy Fuck talk about random thought machine.

Nothing less than treasonous offense for this guy.

YOU: MERRY CHRiSTMAS

GUY: FUCK TRU, I RULE!!!!!!!

YOU: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

GUY: GET SOME TIME ON THE JOB. YOU MUST WORK IN TRU

All this man problems can be traced back to TRU. Much like the Kevin Bacon game. Very sad :(

016 District Worker said... Why are we fighting for medical at 55? Shouldn't we wait and see if Obama passes health care?

1/21/2009 09:48:00 AM________________________________No, we shouldn't wait. If Federal law ends up overriding our contract, then it does. In the meantime, negotiations can't be held up on the 'off-chance' that something will change. Let's just wait for our raises and benefits for a Federal plan that might be implemented in five years?

YOU must be 26 years old and have all the time in the world to 'wait'. About 20% of the Depeartment could find themselves easing on down the road if this makes it into our contract this year.

--- F* That! There's life out there bud. Getting up and going right to work isn't what I'm looking for. You spend your entire day traveling to work, working, traveling from work and your 4 days off are spent catching up on all the BS that you can't do on work days. Defeats the purpose if you ask me. I'd vote NO in a heartbeat.

1/22/2009 12:02:00 AM

Well maybe you live too far from work. I live in 22, work in 5, and I find plenty of time to do things in the morning. I work 1600-0300, so two hours longer. Thing is, almost 3 or 4 days a week I would be out that late, an arrest, a beer after work, what have you.

Still have time, and enough sleep to get up with the kids for school, get a work out in, and a nap if needed, and run errands during the day too. Then, after just having four days off, I am more willing to go back to work and start it all over.

It works for me, sorry it does not work for you, but maybe you live too far from the ditrict you work in. We have guys in 5 that live in 8, and I know it sucks for them, but they like the 10 hour days too. Just think, if it went citywide, you could bid to a district closer to work and get the same benefits I am enjoying right now.

Not and expert- but here it is-when you retire before 60 you get a different type of BCBS 'insurance' than you do if you wait until 60 years of age. Dropping that age limit to 55 helps out coppers.

The current version of retiree healthcare has various formulas of what percentage you pay of the premium-dependent on when you retired and how many years you had at the time of retirement. If you had 20 + years and retired on or before 07/01/2005, you pay 50% of the premium and the city pays 50%.....less than 10 years and retired on 7/01/2005....the city pays 0% and you pay 100%.

All of this is guaranteed until 2013 and then is subject to another look.

Give the old guy Coppers 55yrs. and older out with insurance already. They are all old, slow, worn out, long-tooths. Hire some young cops, and maybe some criminals will get caught. Some of these guys look like my Grandfather, [and Grandmother]. Think to the future, not the past.

I am a mma fighter and I have fought in over 20 sanctioned arenas because that's what I signed up for! I'm not expecting extra pay from my employer (CPD) ------------------------------I just bought one of those Mexican wreslting masks from the grocery store at Fullerton/Central. Want to hang out?

I am a mma fighter and I have fought in over 20 sanctioned arenas because that's what I signed up for! I'm not expecting extra pay from my employer (CPD) So do what you signed up for and STFU!

If you want to see some "real" combat come and watch me fight. More than 95% of you that get shipped out don't even fire your gun!!!___________________________

I think guys that are or have been in the military could talk a lot of shit sometimes but you need to STFU. How could you compare the MMA to serving your country honorably in the United States Military. You are a moron. Fighting in a ring combat? They don't weigh you in overseas to match you up to an equal size Afghan mountain fighter so that you have a fair fight. There is no reff. You can't tap out if you get in a shitty situation. So don't even try to compare the MMA to someone who served in the military. You'll never match up to them. They may not have fired their gun, but at least they had the balls to pick one up and go over there and use it if they had to. You're a joke!

What is up with the W/C from the 3rd watch in 020 counseling coppers on paper and berating them for not writing movers? Quota? Mr. Bella maybe you can step in or anyone else give their opinion. A couple a week is not enough and he terrorizes the poor guys and girls on management.

I thought the morale video was a joke. You say well back you up bullshit!!! We have no cars, extremely shorthanded and everytime our contract comes up for renewal the City drags its feet. Now you want us to work like we used too. This City has what they always wanted a bunch of paperwriters and now it is backfiring in there face and it couldn't have happened at a worst time with crime on the rise.

To the W/C on 3rd watch in the 20th District. Obviously you didn't see the morale video you know the one we got your back. You lack good management skills. Obviously if you were a good boss you would not have to address the issue. My commander did that to our roll call several years ago and it made matters worse and he did it to just get himself promoted to a higher position. Besides that is a quota and its illeagal

Anonymous said... Give the old guy Coppers 55yrs. and older out with insurance already. They are all old, slow, worn out, long-tooths. Hire some young cops, and maybe some criminals will get caught. Some of these guys look like my Grandfather, [and Grandmother]. Think to the future, not the past.

1/22/2009 12:05:00 PM

and we are happy you younguns got hired1 shitty college drinking parties and your here wonderful! thanks for paying our "pension" and enjoy your small 401K it is coming children! LOL!

Balcer stannds by the illegal pick up of garbage in teh 11th Ward But Wont Help Vets or Coppers.Why is he helping FOP with Deployments??? Where was he when coppers needed help with the city upon return. Its no wonder Coppers had to sue the City. Balcer's a do nothing big mouth that pats himself on the back. BTW Hey Jimmy wheres the Iraq Apfghanistan Memorial you promised us at Soldiers Field over 2 years ago?

G.H.- if this is you-J-Fed's been around a little more than a year- blaming a decline of the last 5 years on someone who's only been here for a year is pathetic. If you're not G.H., you shouldn't speak for him.

NorthSide said... How about compelling the City to include a categorical and unequivocal written definition of the word "MERIT" and the criteria for same as it applies to promotions, assignments, extradepartmental education, etc.

Would that be asking too much?

If the City refuses to do so, even oblivious citizens will realize that something sinister is afoot despite J-Fed's bunco promise for a "transparent" process.

Obviously, sworn CPD readers know that Chicago-style "merit" is nothing more than a euphemism for corrupt political clout. However, naive taxpayers could understandably ask "What's wrong with merit?" The best and the brightest. BULLSHIT!

Noah Webster would roll over in his grave if he knew how this cesspool of a city has bastardized a perfectly good word.

To those that post on the blog, please substitute CLOUT for "merit" or at least use quotation marks. If you want to "tone down" CLOUT, then say "arbitrary management discretion".

One thing is certain. Actual merit has nothing to do with this outrage.