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week on q&a, mark cheathem on his biographyofandrewjackson. hetalks about the comparisons made between president jackson and president trump. brian: mark cheathem, author of "andrew jackson, southerner," and a lot of other books about andrew jackson and the south, when you see this picture on the screen, what comes to mind? mark: all the comparisons between trump and jackson and how wrong they are, frankly. i don't see a lot of similarities in terms of depth between donald trump and andrew jackson. brian: really? not a -- mark: really. brian: -- not a thing? mark: i'm not saying there aren't some similarities. they both have great hair, of course. but i think a lot of the comparisons try to push trump into a box with jackson and it's not a viable comparison, in my opinion. brian: that's a picture of -- i mean, a painting in the oval office that he put up. why do you think he did that? mark: steve bannon convinced him to do it, i think. i don't think trump had any clue as to who jackson was, probably, before he became president. or maybe he had some clue. i was at the hermitage

week on q&a, mark cheathem on his biography of andrew jackson. he talks about the comparisons made between president jackson and president trump. brian: mark cheathem, author of "andrew jackson, southerner," and a lot of other books about andrew jackson and the south, when you see this picture on the screen, what comes to mind? mark: all the comparisons between trump and jackson and how wrong they are, frankly. i don't see a lot of similarities in terms of depth between donald...

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his biographyofandrewjackson. thena bbc review of major stories in british politics. after that come a news conference with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. >> this week on join date, cumberland university history professor mark cheathem. the professor discusses his book and talks about comparisons made between president jackson and president trump. >> mark cheathem, author of andrew jackson, southerner. there are a lot of books on andrew jackson in the south. when you see this picture on the screen, what comes to mind? guest: on the comparisons between trump and jackson, and how wrong they are, frankly. i don't see a lot of similarities in terms of depth between donald trump and andrew jackson. host: really, not a thing? guest: i'm not saying there are not some similarities. care,ave both got great of course. a lot of comparisons try to push trump into this box with jackson, and it is not a viable comparison in my opinion. host: that is a picture -- a painting in the oval office he put up. why do you think he did that? guest: steve bannon convinced him to do that, i thin

his biography of andrew jackson. then a bbc review of major stories in british politics. after that come a news conference with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. >> this week on join date, cumberland university history professor mark cheathem. the professor discusses his book and talks about comparisons made between president jackson and president trump. >> mark cheathem, author of andrew jackson, southerner. there are a lot of books on andrew jackson in the south. when you...

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presidentandrewjacksoncouldhave prevented the civil war. and the president is also reaching out to some of the world's rogue leaders. so we have it all covered for you this morning. let's go to cnn suzanne malveaux live on capitol hill for us. good morning, suzanne. >> reporter: good morning. the house republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare still very much influx, some calling it a do-or-die. asked last night how it was going, whipping up support, he said stay tuned. house republicans once again trying to create this sense of urgency to get something done before now they go on their friday recess. so far house speaker paul ryan has yet to schedule a vote for this. >> mr. vice president, votes on health care? going to get it passed? >> the republican effort to repeal and replace obamacare in jeopardy again. the white house ramping up pressure on house republicans to bring the new bill to a vote this week despite wavering confidence in its fate. >> have the votes for health care. i think we do. >> getting closer and closer every day. we're not there yet. >> cnn's latest whip coun

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president making this surprising claim about the civil war and how hethinksandrewjacksoncouldhave prevented it. >> he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, "there's no reason for this." >> we should probably note, jackson died 16 years before the civil war began. we'll discuss, next. >>> president trump delving into american history and talking about wondering why there was a civil war. and suggesting if andrew jackson had still been president in 1861, it would not have happened. i want to bring in cnn contributor selena zio. and michael higgenbotham. good evening to both of you. hi, selena. you interviewed the president. this is what he told you. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little later and he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war -- >> yeah. >> you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civi

president making this surprising claim about the civil war and how he thinks andrew jackson could have prevented it. >> he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, "there's no reason for this." >> we should probably note, jackson died 16 years before the civil war began. we'll discuss, next. >>> president trump delving into american history and talking about wondering why there was a civil war. and...

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between donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest on his book. >> i do not think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he certainly represents some of the negative values that jackson represented, but i think i would tell president trump that if you wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put nation in front of his own personhood, his own ,amily, his own interests because that is what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." "afterwards," elizabeth rosenthal explores the business side of health care in her book. dr. rosenthal is interviewed by dr. david blumenthal, the president of the commonwealth fund. >> has your book given you any thoughts on whether health care is a free market, whether it can solve our problems through free markets? isi think what we have seen probably not. at the beginning of the book, i put a somewhat tongue-in-cheek part about the dysfunctional roles of the health care market, where as if you think of health care as a butte -- as a business proposition, the market -- you will get too cra

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civil war.>>andrewjackson, donaldtrump and the dangers learning on the job. >> why could that one not have been worked out? >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening. president trump offers up what looks like a good clear and concise articulation of his governing philosophy. i don't stand by anything and dodging question and ending an oval office interview. >> you stand by that claim? >> you can take it the way you want. i think our side has been proven very strongly and everybody is talking about it. frankly, it should be discussed. i think that is a very big surveillance of our citizens. i think it's a very big topic and it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what is going on. >> i wanted to find out, you're the president of the united states. you said he was sick and bad. >> you can take any way, you can take it any way you want. >> i'm asking you, because you don't want it to be fake news, i want to hear it from president trump. >> you don't have to ske me. >> why not? >> i have my own opinion and you can have your own opinion. >> i don't stand b

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comments in a series of interviews. he's raising questions about whypresidentandrewjacksoncouldn'thave prevented the civil war and sounding alarms with his outreach to some of the world's reogue leaders. what is the state of play? >> very much in flux here on capitol hill. as you mentioned, as well as it changed within the last hour or so. we saw mike pence trying to whip up support. we were asked how he thought he would do. house republicans are trying to create this sense of urgency to get this done, this time before they are recessed if they go out on friday. but house speaker paul ryan really understanding this is a do or die situation. has yet to schedule a vote on this. >> mr. vice president, you have the votes on health care? are you going to get it passed? >> the republican effort to repeal and replace obamacare in jeopardy again. the white house ramping up pressure on house republicans to bring the new bill to a vote this week, despite waivering confidence in its fate. >> we're getting closer and closer every day, but we're not there yet. >> 21 house republicans planning

comments in a series of interviews. he's raising questions about why president andrew jackson couldn't have prevented the civil war and sounding alarms with his outreach to some of the world's reogue leaders. what is the state of play? >> very much in flux here on capitol hill. as you mentioned, as well as it changed within the last hour or so. we saw mike pence trying to whip up support. we were asked how he thought he would do. house republicans are trying to create this sense of...

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andrewjacksoncouldhave prevented it. >> he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, "there's no reason for this." >> we should probably note, jackson died 16 years before the civil war began. we'll discuss, next. we believe s naturally beautiful, fresh and nutritious. so there are no artificial colors, no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. we believe in real food. whole foods market. with e*trade you see things your way. you have access to the right information at the right moment. and when you filter out the noise, it's easy to turn your vision into action. it's your trade. e*trade. whoa,i just had to push one button to join. it's like i'm in the office with you, even though i'm here. it's almost like the virtual reality of business communications. no, it's reality. intuitive one touch video conferencing is a reality. and now it's included at no additional cost with vonage business. call now and see why 3,000 companies a month are switching to vonage. business grade. people fri

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suggestingthatandrewjacksoncouldhave stopped the whole thing. listen to this. >> i mean,hadandrewjacksonbeen a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war. >> reporter: yeah, was -- >> if you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> i was definitely not a history major. i do remember, though, andrew jackson died quite a few years before the civil war, about 16 years before. let's start there. joining me now, paris dennard is a cnn political commentator, former bush white house director for black outreach, and bill press is here, host of "bill press radio show." gentlemen, great to have you. >> hi, kate. >> paris, he brought this up himself. what is the president saying when he says people don't ask why there was a civil war. >> you know, i think that

suggesting that andrew jackson could have stopped the whole thing. listen to this. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war. >> reporter: yeah, was -- >> if you think about it, why? people don't ask...

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seventhpresident,andrewjackson. problemis, it didn't match any known history. sotonight,andrewjackson'spulitzer prize winning biographer is with us to clear it up. "the 11th hour" begins now. >>> good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. this was day 102 of the trump administration. and the president granted multiple interviews over the past 24 hours or so. and as they spooled out during the day today, each one gave us a new headline for just a fraction of a news cycle. so we thought we'd step back, take a deep breath, and highlight some of the more notable quotes from just today, in response to whether he stands behind his allegation that barack obama wiretapped him during the 2016 election, quote, i stand behind nothing. on the republican health care plan, quote, i want it to be good for sick people. on the possibly of break up big wall street bank. quote, i am looking at that right now. on civil war, quote, people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? he then added, why could that one not have been worked out? while discussing andr

seventh president, andrew jackson. problem is, it didn't match any known history. so tonight, andrew jackson's pulitzer prize winning biographer is with us to clear it up. "the 11th hour" begins now. >>> good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. this was day 102 of the trump administration. and the president granted multiple interviews over the past 24 hours or so. and as they spooled out during the day today, each one gave us a new headline for just a...

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comparisons between presidents donald trumpandandrewjackson. on"andrewjackson: southerner.">> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he certainly represents the negative values that jackson represented. trump, ifll president he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put nation in front of his own person could -- personhood and his own family and his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our next guest for the morning is jonathan turley with george washington university law school, teaches law, here to talk about the firing of james comey. what was the reality of the firing versus what you may be perceived that the perception of the firing? guest: it is unusual to see the response. everyone gets ahead of their skis in terms of what the significance was and what was the motivation. the fact is the merits of the termination were debatable. there were good faith reasons why comey would be terminated.

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president's comments about the civil war. >>hadandrewjacksonbeenlater, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person but he had a big part. he was really angry that he so was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. >> you think about it, why. people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out. >> it's worth noting andrew jackson died 16 years before the war. so let's talk about this with political commentators ben ferguson and howard kattell. he was also president trump's personal tour guide when he visited the home and laid a wreath at jackson's tomb on march 15th. which would have been president jackson's 250th birthday. so ben, first question, why would the president question this. >> i think there was a couple things here in context. he knew that he was dead before the civil war. that's when he said if he was around, the second thing is that he was an individual who obviously knew just how brutal war was. whether it was the scars he carried with him his entire life told t

president's comments about the civil war. >> had andrew jackson been later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person but he had a big part. he was really angry that he so was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. >> you think about it, why. people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out. >> it's worth noting andrew jackson died 16 years before the war. so...

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-span.org. q&a, the on comparisons between presidents donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest on his book "andrew jackson: southerner." >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he represents the negative values that jackson represented. i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put nation in front of his own personhood and his own family and his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> sunday night on c-span's q&a. sunday night on afterw ords, the business side of health care in "an american sickness: how health care became big business and how you can take it back." she's interviewed by dr. david blumenthal. >> was wondering if your book give you any thoughts about whether health care is a free market. whether we can solve our problems in health care through free-market forces. >> i think what we've seen is the answer is probably not. , ithe beginning of the book put a tongue-in-cheek list of the economic rules in the dysfunctional health care market. if you think of health care

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,hadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. >> andrew jackson didn't see what was happening with regard to the civil war. he was a southern slave owning president from tennessee 24 years before the civil war. he died 16 years before the civil war. white supremacists and many southern politicians who are not white supremacists, but remain bitter about the civil war don't like abraham lincoln, and they do like andrew jackson. steve bannon is a big andrew jackson fan. and now doubt turned president trump into an andrew jackson fan. in order for president trump to negotiate away the civil war, he would have to know why the civil war was fought. jon meacham who wrote the definitive biography of andrew jackson said to "the new york times" today "the expansion of slavery caused the civil war. and you can't get around that. so what does trump mean? would he hav

, had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. >> andrew jackson didn't see what was happening with regard to the civil war. he was a southern slave owning president from tennessee 24 years before the civil war. he died 16 years before the civil war. white...

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on what they're doing, what they've done. that's all part of the brief. >>hadandrewjacksonbeena little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. people don't ask that question. why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> just a taste of the absolutely dizzying 48 hours of talk from president trump even by his standards. in a series of interviews he left financial markets rattled, congress blind-sided, his own staff baffled and historians scratching their heads. douglas brinkley framed it, quote, this way. it seems to be the most bizarre 24 hours in american presidential history and it was all just surreal, in real disarray and a confused mental state from the president. joe, you were equally perplexed, tweeting, though it seems impossible, this is getting worse by the day. is the president spinning even more out of control? good morning everyone. it's tuesday, may 2nd. >> happy birthday, mika. >> happy birthday. >> 26 years. >> 50! >> wow. >> 26 years. >> i'm 50. with us onset veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. >> legendar

on what they're doing, what they've done. that's all part of the brief. >> had andrew jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. people don't ask that question. why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> just a taste of the absolutely dizzying 48 hours of talk from president trump even by his standards. in a series of interviews he left financial markets rattled, congress blind-sided, his own staff baffled and historians...

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kids going forward. >> hillary clinton, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. [ applause ] thank you. thank you all. thank you! >>> welcome to the top of the 2:00 hour. i am katy tur. you've just been watching hillary clinton make quite a bit of news there with christiane am pour at that panel. she was asked about the election. very obviously. and whether or not she thought she was a victim of sexism and misogyny. she said i think it played a role. also said that it was unprecedented the interference from russia. she believes that played a role as well. and james comey, the fbi director, and his letter to congress in october that said that they were looking into the clinton e-mails once again. she also brought up vladimir putin as well and why vladimir putin has such dislike of her. joining me now to talk about that appearance is jonathan allen, as well as amy parnes, co-author s of the "new york times" best seller, "shattered." amy, what do you make of her assessment of how the election went? >> well, it's something she has said earlier that russia and comey actually played a part. i think her campaign officials have also said the media played a huge role. now she's dipping into misogyny and i think that was a part, too. but as john and i have laid out in our book, it was so much more than that. she talked a little bit about message and how her message could have been better. she actually admitted that it wasn't a perfect campaign and that she does take responsibility because she is the candidate. these are things that we laid out in great detail in our book and things that when you lose by under 80,000 votes, all these things matter. >> the clinton team pushed back pretty hard on your book and said that a lot of the controversy in it, a lot of the distrust, the in-fighting just wasn't true. do you think the admission that the campaign wasn't perfect is a tacit admission that at least some of the book was in fact true? >> well, certainly we stand by our reporting. we believe that the book is true. and, yeah, i think there wasn't an admission there by -- an acknowledgement by secretary clinton that she could have run a better campaign. i don't think anybody that works for her would seriously debate whether they could have done certain things better. i thought this was an interesting moment for hillary clinton, by the way. this is an issue that she's talking about, women insecurity, that she's been talking about for a long time. activism on this is something she has a lot of credibility on, everything from microfinance to conflict resolution, things that she's been trying to elevate women so that the world can be a safer place. ihought this was a really interesting event for her to sort of come bk out io the public on it. >> and amy, she is making a few more appearances lately. she's not going into the wild or staying in the woods, as she said. what do you make of her being so open and being so available lately with donald trump in the white house? >> i think she actively wants to be part of this resistance. she said as much today. i think she wants to actually also champion issues that she was doing before. she wants to kind of remain in the political spotlight a bit but also champion women's issues and girls' issues. that's what i think you were hearing earlier today, that she's kinds of going back to that. i think that she can be a huge voice for that and an advocate for that. but i think she does want to play a huge role in what is coming. the democratic party is trying to find its face right now, they're doing a bit of soul searching. i think you are see something secretary clinton help out in this respect. >> is she the default leader of the democratic party right now since there isn't a one person? is it still barack obama, jonathan? does she help the democratic party right now or does her continued visibility just keep the democratic party in 2016? >> i don't think there really is a leader of the democratic party right now. so it is a soul searching moment for democrats. think she is a leader of the democratic party. barack obama is. bill clinton is. bernie sanders is. elizabeth warr eren is. there are a lot of them right now and i think over the course of the next few years we'll see somebody or maybe a couple of somebodies emerge. one other thing to note, just watching this appearance, looked like secretary clinton really felt somewhat liberated. it is probably the first time i've seen her since the election talk at such length. there was -- i think you could watch her as she was talking about the election and see some of the real feeling there about what had gone on and engaging in some of these issues. again, she looked looser and more liberated than i've seen her in a long time. >> she did definitely look loos. amy, she's also weigh being in on the issues of the day, north korea being one of the issues, calling it a "wicked plroblem, and that we can't place pressure alone. does she want to try and have influence on current events, on foreign policy? >> i think so, a bit. and she has a lot to offer actually. if you listen to her remarks, she's talking about diplomacy, something she really believed in when she was secretary of state, that she didn't just believe boots on the ground was the ultimate solution. and she believed in actually sending diplomats to dangerous places. so i think -- but she actually was really interesting to hear her talk about secretary mattis a little bit and how she feels like he can kind of steer the administration in the right direction. and so she did kind of give a nod to a well -- she said that things had to be like better thought out. i think that's sort of where she's going. so she is trying to advise the administration in her own way. >> for those of us who might have just joined the program, including myself, let's go back and take a moment to look at what hillary clinton said specifically about the election. >> it wasn't a perfect campaign. there is no such thing. but i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th, and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. as nate silver, who doesn't work for me. he is an independent analyst but one considered to be very reliable, you know, has concluded if the election had been on october 27th, i'd be your president. and it wasn't. it was on october 28th and there was just a lot of funny business going on around that. and ask yourself this. within an hour or two of the hollywohol "hollywood access" tape being made plithe russian hack of john mpodestpodesta's e-mails h leaks. you can't make this stuff up. did we make mistakes? oh, my gosh, yes. you'll read my confession and my request for absolution. but the reason why i believe we lost were the intervening events in the last ten days. >> did i make mistakes? of course i did. she seems so much looser than she did during the campaign. why did we not see more of that hillary clinton, the one that could be disparaging in an off-the-cuff sort of way? >> i think that's what everyone's wondering. john and i have done two books on her now, and i think everyone says that she's this gregarious, hilarious woman behind the curtain and she has a problem kind of getting a little loosened up in front of the public eye. and so i think this is her i think stepping away from politics a little bit. i do think she feels a little liberated. i do think that when she is not political, people like her better and i think she knows that. so i think all of this is actually -- it's helpful to her and it will be helpful to whatever she champions going forward. >> what was her biggest impediment? what was the biggest road block for her from being this person on the campaign, from your reporting, amy? >> i think it was a combination of things. i think the e-mail controversy loomed over her campaign an she couldn't get her message across. and also people didt know what that message was specifically. donald trump's message was simple and people knew where he stood on the wall and building a wall and on trade issues. but i don't think that she could articulate exactly why she was running for president and why she wasn't just the inevitable candidate. >> jonathan, as we were talking about a moment ago before we played that sound, she is weighing in on the current events of the day, north korea being one of them. donald trump is being called -- at least what he is doing, not so much with what he is saying, but more of a traditional hawkish republican when they point to actions like the syria strikes. had hillary clinton won, what would the reaction have been to syria if she was in power? >> you know, i'm not sure that what we've seen so far would have been all that different, katy. hillary clinton is fairly hawkish for a democrat, as she said in that interview with christia christiane amanpour a little bit earlier. she supported the strikes in syria. obviously every president would deal with things slightly differently than a previous one or the next one or an alternative universe one. but i think she would also be somebody who was trying to take a tough stand with some of the leaders. what i noticed in this interview that was fascinating, while she's tweaking donald trump a little bit, she also seems to be trying to provide some gua guardrails and trying to show where heou go that would be helpful for him in executing foreign policy. and i think something that donald trump may want to listen to a little bit and certainly something that suggests that she really cares about how these issues turn out. >> couple days ago donald trump was asked about russia. he was asked by cbs about wiretapping as well. but when he was asked about russia and hacking, he again said it wasn't definitive that it was russia that did the hacking into the dnc, that it could have been china which is reminiscent what of said during the second debate, it could be a 400-pound guy, even, in his mother's basement, i believe is what he said. hillary clinton seems pretty sure that russia hacking into the election affected her prospects. talk to me about why she believes so strongly that vladimir putin was -- is no fan of hillary clinton's and vladimir putin would want to actively work against her? amy? >> i think she has quite a history with russia. she went to russia as secretary of state. she tried to reset. there was a little bit of a problem with that reset button that was given by her to lavrov, one of the senior leaders there. so i think that, you know, she always has felt that the russians -- that there is a tension that they don't really like her. and i think all along she's kind of made the case that she was on the road to victory, as she said today in great detail, and she believed she was and her people believed she was. their polling told them that they were going to win. and so -- and he kind of veered her off course. and i think she definitely sees that and the combination with comey as the reason she lost. >> amy parnes, jonathan allen, thank you, guys, for sticking around and having a wide-ranging discussion with me on hillary clinton and her re-emergence as a political/nonpolitical figure. also, congratulations on the book. >>> meanwhile, we are watching the white house briefing right now. that's mick mulvaney, being grilled right now that president trump sent out earlier saying that, "it would be good to shut down the government." we'll go live to washington next. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible. 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>> i'll answer it the same way but a different way. i think that the administration needs to have credibility on this before we start talking about immigration with anybody. no o will take us seriously on immigration reform until we have satiied them that we have secured the southern border. people in my party say i with a'nt to talk about immigration reform, but you have to secure the southern border first. >> one more on aca. i'm sorry. i have to get it when i can get it. on aca -- sir, on aca, is it more about the numbers or about the issue when it comes to these possible waivers for states when it comes to the issues of substance abuse, taking the substance abuse xoechbt out of the component out of the aca. many of the candidates, including this current president, ran on the issue of fixing the opioid addiction, heroin addiction. now you have this piece, possibly, that states can take the substance abuse prevention or programs out of aca. what are the numbers on that? because how do you justify that when the republicans candidates, and democrats, ran on this? >> i don't know what numbers you are speaking of. i will speak to the philosophy which is that we really do believe the states will do it better than we will. you've seen this commitment that the administration's already had to opioid abuse. i think there may be money for it in this funding bill that we approve of. we're committed to that. but i also think we recognize the reality that the state's are probably more nimble and well attuned to their own local populations to do it. i was in the state legislature in south carolina. i would have loved on very many different levels from opioid abuse to medicaid to simply have the federal government write us a check and say here, south carolina, go help these folks because we would have done a better job. while i don't have the numbers behind it, that's the philosophy of these waivers. the federal one-size-fits-all might not be the solution. >> you mentioned earlier that president trump was upset by how the democrats portrayed the deal. >> yeah. >> is it right to shut down the government because of how something was portrayed instead of what was -- >> which is why -- if that was the case we'd be vetoing this bill now. i think what he's foreshadowing is, look, this place has to changed. the way we run the town has to be fixed. we can't simply muddle along using the same models that the previous administration has used. okay? this is a changed agent of president. if it's going to take a shutdown -- again, that's several months. >> quick follow-up on this notion of a "good" shutdown. wouldn't most americans agree that shutdowns are bad? you shouldn't shut down the government? further to that point, it seems as if you may have answered your own question this week on the question of government shutdown. a compromise. republicans and democrats are getting together and passing something, both sides are not getting everything that they want. isn't that what the american people want? they want their government to work and pass budgets that can be a compromise, both sides can agree on? how could a shutdown be good? >> that's exactly what i think they want and that's exactly what i think they have given to them with this agreement. my point to you in response to a couple different questions was that the president wants to see washington better, get better, get fixed, change the way it does business. >> is this better? >> it absolutely is. which is why it is so frustrating to have democrats go out and say we won and they lost. i can't imagine ronald reagan and tip o'neill having that discussion at the end of a negotiation. last question. yes, ma'am. >> i wanted to ask you about republicans. i know that you're talking about on the senate side, you need democrats. but on the house side there have been budget bills that simply can't get enough republican support to pass on their own. do you think that it is possible to do a republican budget bill with republican votes alone? >> i do. because i voted for one myself. there's actually been a lot more -- >> a actual appropriations bill? >> many appropriations bill that have passed with just republican support than people realize. the reas you don't hear about them is they die because the senate is incapable of passing a bill that has any chance of passing in the house because they have to use the 60-vote flesh hole which is where i started the conversation. no, i think you are selling the republicans short, selling the republican leadership and rank and file membership. let them speak their mind and voices be heard in the next appropriations process, which, by the way, starts today. put '17 to an end but the discussion about '18 funding begins right now and we very much want to see the ordinary appropriations process function. anything we can do at the white house to encourage that to happen we will do it. and -- because we do not want to be here again. we don't haven't to be having a discussion about a shutdown. one thing you asked about changing washington, why would you have a discussion of a shutdown this september? if the appropriations process is still not working by september, that's a bad thing for the country. it is a bad thing for the congress, by the way. >> why is the president threatening one? >> one of the things that we like -- okay -- as members of the government -- not talking about members of the administration -- members of the government, the proper functioning of the appropriations process is critical to the proper constitutional function of the government. the house and senate are supposed to use the power of the purse and when they don't do appropriations bills their constituents' voices who are also our constituents' voices are not heard. we hope very much that comes back as part of the process. we're very pleased with the deal today. if you have any follow-up questions, you can always call mr. zartagi. >> will you guys just e-mail where that wall is from exactly so we can identify location? >> hey, sean! >> sean! >> sean! >> not taking any questions today at the white house press briefing. you could hear a very dejected white house press corps hoping to get some questions in. after all, there is a lot of things that folks want to ask donald trump. tons of things, in fact. not just on why he thought a government shutdown might be good, but you could see the, mick mulvaney saying that -- trying very much to defend the president's tweet that a government shutdown would be good in order to teach washington a lesson. mulvaney saying that washington needs to learn that the status quo is not okay and that they need to do things differently and a shutdown would accepted that message. they're also very angry that the democrats seem to be taking credit for this budget bill. saying the democrats got more of what they wanted than the republican wanted, and specifically what donald trump wanted. yes, there was an increase in defense spending. not quite as much as donald trump had wanted. there was no money given to an increase in i.c.e. agents. there is still funding for planned parenthood. there is still funding for subsidies for the poor, and obamacare. republicans had a hard time coming up with exactly what they wanted in the bill. they needed bipartisan support to make sure it will get voted on and passed. we now have peter alexander who was in that briefing. no sean spicer but talk to me about mick mulvaney and whether or not he was able to convey the message that the republicans are in good shape and that donald trump is going to get that border wall? >> to punctuate the conclusion of that briefing, sean spicer left as well, the press secretary. obviously a lot of questions that we the media and a lot of americans wanted answered about the status of the health care bill, also a phone call with vladimir putin that was scheduled to start a couple hours ago. i was told by one of the president's advisors that sean spicer would not be coming out today. they asked us to close the door behind us. that's how that just ended a moe moment ago. more broadly to what we heard from mick mulvaney today, he acknowledged that the president's remarks were expressing the frustration that he's feeling saying the democrats spiked the football. it is clear this president has been very from us tated he doesn't believe he's getting the credit he thinks he deserved for this spending bill. that's why they spent the last course of the hour putting up clips of those portions of the wall that are already being constructed even as this new spending bill doesn't really direct any money to the construction of the wall but it does direct additional money to the military, to defense, also to border security more broadly, points that he tried to make today. as we heard from them a short time ago, they said the democrats are trying to claim victory but it was the president himself who earlier in the rose garden today said this week or republican team had its own victory under the radar. as part of that frustration, earlier today we heard from the president, through twitter, basically saying that what we might need is a "good shutdown" to clean up this mess in washington. mick mulvaney defended that idea of a "good shutdown" saying it is not their desire, but saying a "good shutdown" would be one that cleans up and helps fix washington. >> peter, where are those sections of the wall behind him? do we know? >> good question. we asked. mick mulvaney did not know as he was walking out. you ma i have heard me, i peppered him with a couple more questions and asked if they would get back to us on details of that wall. this is not clear if it is new construction of the wall. it appears this is just the reconstruction of existing wall that exists in this country right now. suffice to say as we heard from the homeland security secretary earlier in the day, he said what's happening right now with congress in terms of this compromise is delaying construction of the wall which is a contradiction we heard from the white house yesterday saying this compromise would have no impact on construction of the wall. you. >> peter, i'm just confuses, i'm sorry. what is the messaging of the white house is this that they're getting a wall or stonewalling? >> messaging has been a challenge pore this white house at times. i think it is very clear that they have tried to be on one page of the course of this day, mick mulvaney holding a series of briefingins the last 24 hour. they are getting more money for the military, for border security and the wall will go up. as he said multiple times today, "this wall will be built." their focus now is on the next spending bill. that fight is in september. they are hopeful, they say optimistic, that they will get money that they have been demanding for the wall then. >> september 30th when the funding for the government runs out. peter, let's take a listen to a moment of mick mulvaney taking aim at democrats, firing at them for taking credit for this budget bill. >> we got a lot to do between now and september. i don't anticipate a shutdown in september, but if negotiations -- if the democrats aren't going to behave any better than they have the last couple of days, it may be inevitable. >> eli, if you're there with us from the "wall street journal," the president talking about how it would be good to shut down the government. don't often hear presidents say that. >> no. but this is president donald trump. i mean this is a person who sort of reflexively reacts to even the smallest perceived slights. i don't know what it was that got him upsets, was it democrats spike beiing the football, or somebody from media like rush limbaugh, that he felt compelled to react to and then as a result we're all sitting here today talking about shutdowns even though folks on capitol hill are scrambling to do something on health care. we're talking about the government shutdown and the white house's failures to get a win for their base in the omnibus bill, which had he not reacted to this would have been a much smaller thing. now talking about a president who sheeeems to want to shut do the government and mulvaney saying this is just about leverage. i think what the white house is learning is they don't just run this town all by themselves. there is a co-equal branch on the other side of the hill. the democrats and republicans who negotiated this together without the white house don't really care that much about funding trump's border wall. for a lot of republicans there are a lot of other budget priorities like increasing defense spending given what's going on in the pacific, on the korean peninsula, problems with russia. this is not a spending priority for too many folks in congress. i thk the presint would like to think that he can just rev up his base, say this wall is being built and there will be a lot of pressure brought to bear on republican members of congress. i just don't flow that that's going to actually work for him in the end just because acting this way sort of worked for him politically throughout the campaign. >> we also have ashley parker of the "washington post." i just asked peter alexander a moment ago what the messaging is from this white house. there seems to be a lot of cricks. take health care, for instance. yesterday we were hearing from a number of people, senior officials at the white house, that they had the votes to pass this new version of health care. we also heard donald trump the other day say that pre-existing were absolutely mandated in this health care bill which flies in the face a bit as to what exactly is actually in this health care bill. now our nbc news reporting is, i believe we're going on 20 republicans -- around that number -- 21, excuse me -- who say that they're not going to be voting for this health care bill. 22 is the magic number. it doesn't look good for them. what's the deal? do they not talk to the house about whip counts or are they just projecting confidence no matter what? >> yeah. they think the good rule is when you have the votes you take the vote. and any don't clearly have the vote right now. it is one thing that hill aides, house leadership aides, republicans in general, are deeply frustrated about, which is that the white house will come out, project confidence, say they have the votes, they'll give the specific day as to when this vote is taking place, they'll make claims as the president did that aren't quite true about what's actually in the health care bill or what it will do. and while i think it is sort of the white house projecting confidence, being a little combative trying to get a win. you asked about the messaging. i think the messaging is they want to win. it is fraly complicating things when it comes to actually getting that win that they so desire. >> we talk about how they have this antagonistic relationship with the media. umt m ultimately aren't they setting themselves up by coming in, not knowing the cts, not knowing where whip counts stand, by not knowing what their president is going to be tweeting on a daily basis? e eli? >> yeah, the unpredictability is difficult for a lot of folks on the hill, know a lot of them are saying this is the new normal and we have to learn to live with it. but putting out a day, saying there is going to be a vote on wednesday when they don't have the votes right now to vote tomorrow, is as one aide put it, just sort of adding to a lot of unnecessary pressure, raising expectations unnecessarily, and making their jobs that much harder ultimately when if they can't deliver on that vote on wednesday or on a vote at all this week, if they have to pull this new version of the bill because they can't cobble together enough yeses to get to 216, that is a problem and the more political capital they extend and the more statements that you have from the president tweeting in an interview saying, oh, we're going to get a vote, don't even worry about it, it is going to be easy, it is going to be great, ultimately there is no amount of window dressing that can cover it up when that is not the case. then you just have cable news playing back all those quotes saying it is going to be great, it is going to happen. so, yes, they are setting themselves up for are failure, but this will not be the first time if that's the way it plays out that this president said something, doesn't turn out to be the case. thus far he's paid maybe less of a political price for that sort of thing than your prototypical politician because he is still not perceived to be your run of the mill politician. >> just a reminder, nbc news whip count stands at 21 republicans firmly against this health care vote, 19 -- i'm looking over at our monitor -- 19 are still undecided. if that number goes to 22, then this bill is not going to pass. ashley parker of the "washington post," always lovely to see you. eli stokles of the "wall street journal," you as well. appreciate your time, guys. >>> breaking news out of south carolina. we just learned that officer michael slater has entered a me in the 2015 shooting death of walter scott. we'll go live to nbc's gabe gutierrez who is outside of the courthouse next. there's nothing more important to methan my . so when i need to book a hoteloom, i want somne that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go from kid-friendly to kid-free. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important. that's why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we're booking.yeah ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. whaaaat?!ortgage offer from the bank today. you never just get one offer. go to lendingtree.com and shop multiple loan offers for free. free? 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why could that one not have been worked out? >> i just wanted to find out. you are the president of the united states. you said he was sick and bad. >> you can take it any way you want. >> but i'm asking you. you don't want it to be fake news. >> you have your opinions. >> but you're the president of the united states. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> john dean is the former white house counsel for president richard nixon. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> trump had quite a day yesterday. there was that commentaboutandrewjackson, abouthow the civil war would not have happened, eventhoughandrewjacksonwasborn 16 years before the civil war started. he corrected himself later. he also talked about what an honor it would be to meet with kim jong-un. he floated the idea of a gas tax. talked about breaking up banks. had a friendly phone call with president duterte over the weekend. what do you make of all this? is this pressures of the white house that are causing donald trump to act erratically? or is it somethi else? >> well, it's hard to get inside his mind. we're beginning to get used to his patterns, and they are predictably unpredictable. what i find fascinating is his total ignorance on so many issues. i wonder about that call to putin, for example, if he went through the normal protocols of actually preparing for it, having people in from the state department, then carefully recording it. i thought, what in the world is the guy who's translating that call in russia doing? because if you've ever read a trump transcript -- >> oh, i have. >> you indeed have. they are doozies. so probably very tough translation. but he's all over the lot on every issue. i found a fascinating piece in the "times" this morning by charles blow about his language level being at roughly that of a sixth to eighth-grader and probably on the slow end of that. so we've got a real problem with this president. >> if you are a foreign leader, say you are an authoritarian leader, a dictator, somebody who doesn't have much regard for human rights, someone like the filipino president, duterte, kim jong-un, vladimir putin, what do you think when donald trump goes out of his way to praise you? what does that mean? >> well, i think that will depend upon the level of sophistication of the foreign leader or foreign dictator. putin probably is pretty well briefed on this. probably sees it for what it is. and i think he's shrewd enough to play it any way he wants to. trump think himself a tough negotiator. with e well, i think he's up against a tougher one with putin. i think they think he's a fool, frankly. i think most of the world leaders are wondering what in the world has happened to the united states that somebody like donald trump is the president. and we're going to pay a price for it some time, somewhere along the line this presidency. >> the white house will say that they, in effect, are trying to form better relationships with a number of these leaders in order to keep americans safe, to fight terrorism. it is better to have a conversation, have a relationship so we can band together against the bigger threats that are facing the world. is there something to be said about trying to cultivate these leaders, trying to speak more nicely of them in order to get things done? >> well, if you look at the history of his praise for these kind of people, they're typically people that are not threatening of the united states other than potentially north korea, which doesn't have the capacity today. may tomorrow. but putin isn't really directly threatening us with any direct harm. he's trying to get in and mess around with our system, make it look weaker. but trump's affinity to these people seems to be on a much more personal level in his attraction to strong man. so who knows what's going on in his brain with these attractions. >> he praised saddam hussein, said he was very good at fighting terrorists during the campaign. he also said that gadhafi should have stayed in charge. there have been a number of times where he's done just that, he's had kind words for dictators, human rights violators. so far he's said very little on the subject of human rights and holding democracy around the world. >>selectingandrewjacksonashis historical idol i find is bizarre. he is known in the circles -- historians that i visit with as the worst of the great presidents. and he is the worst for real reasons. he literally killed a man in cold blood in a duel after he had been shot and the other guy was unarmed. he is somebody who did a brutal removal of native americans from their homes. so i just don't get it where this is the kind of guy you'd want to say he's my ideal, he's my kind of strong >> he was a slave owner. slaughtered american indians. john dean, thank you very much. appreciate your expertise. up next, out of the wilderness. hillary clinton. we will go back to her. she is getting real and talking from why she lost to vladimir putin to the way forward for democrats. we will talk about that after the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ take on the mainstream. introducing nissan's new midnight edition. ♪ with e*trade you see things your way. you have access to the right information at the right moment. and when you filter out the noise, it's easy to turn your vision into action. it's your trade. e*trade. >>> he wants to tweet about me, i'm happy to be the diversion. because we have lots of other things to worry about. he should worry less about the election and my winning the popular vote than doing other things that would be important for the country. >> oh, wow. welcome back to 2016 taking on donald trump and his tweets. the former nominee who was center stage at the women's lurch y lurch yon. he discussed mi soj me in's role in the loss. >> i think it is something that whatever your political party, whatever your particular ideological bent, you have a stake as a woman and a man to go back to your fertile comment. the ensuring of a promise of equality and what so many men and wom have made over the decades don't go backwards. >> i want to bring in the msnbc contributor and political analyst for ted cruz. hillary clinton talked about mi soj me in playing a and the russian interference and the hacking and fbi director james comey and the letter he sent to congress in october. what do you make of her assessment of her election loss. >> she hasn't moved on. she lost for good reasons. we can make all of those arguments. the russian hacking was well-known during the campaign. the comey thing went both ways. it am cans down to the hillary clinton campaign was in the wrong states in the wrong time with the wrong voters. their data they said was wrong and if they had done a better job of targeting and hadn't been in places like wisconsin and other places, they might have had a different out come. >> was that the only reason she lost or is it fair to say the other things factored in. there was a difference after the comey letter came out. >> all of it is true. comey did things that no fbi director could do. sexism was a real role. it is also true. we saw this with the polls at the democratic party did recently that were talked about in the press this week. you look at the obama voters who switched to trump and stayed home, in each case it was issued related to the economy and the struggle of people at the bottom of the economy that came into play. she really needed to be against the tpp. she needed to be for the $15 minimum wage. that's also true. >> rick, from what you have seen, you say hillary clinton needs to move on, but what about donald trump, he is bringing up the election left and right. are we stuck in arrested development? are we frozen in time and the watch in the middle of an explosion? are we going to be reliving this for the next four years? >> i hope not. it's good to go back to have retrospective, but she hasn't moved on. donald trump also needs to move on. thing she did not mention about her campaign's failure is bernie sanders. bernie sanders brought up all the things that are important to voters over and over again. she was not on the right side of a lot of those issues and she was an establishment candidate in a mood of drain the swamp. bernie sanders was revolutionary and he stated it way too long and really damaged her. >> let's put bernie sanders aside. who do you want to see representing the democratic party? hillary clinton or barack obama or someone else? give me a name. >> i want to see the rising generation of people in the country who are crushed by student debt and families need us to raise the minimum wage and get involved. we saw come out of bernie sanders and out of hillary's campaign. thousands of young people are talking about running for office for the first time. in the case of president obama or secretary clinton, i would like to see them both take a page out of jimmy carter's playbook a

kids going forward. >> hillary clinton, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. [ applause ] thank you. thank you all. thank you! >>> welcome to the top of the 2:00 hour. i am katy tur. you've just been watching hillary clinton make quite a bit of news there with christiane am pour at that panel. she was asked about the election. very obviously. and whether or not she thought she was a victim of sexism and misogyny. she said i think it played a role. also said that it...

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american history by the commander in chief. listen to this. >> i mean,hadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later you would not have had the civil war. he was a very tough person. but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry, he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. people don't realize, the civil war -- you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> let's get some reaction. >> people don't ask that question? i think people do actually ask that question. i was with trump the day he went to andrew jackson's childhood home and he was reading a speech and talking about andrew jackson as if he had really heard many of the things for the first time so some of this does not actually surprise me. >> there is a great scene in "revenge of the nerds," where he says what if cat really spells dog? phil made this point earlier about duterte, the idea that he is reading up on these things whether it's the philippines president or andrew jackson is

american history by the commander in chief. listen to this. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little bit later you would not have had the civil war. he was a very tough person. but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry, he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. people don't realize, the civil war -- you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have...

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to talkaboutandrewjacksonwithoutmentioning he was a slave owner. it's hard to talk about jackson as if. he didn't brutalize native americans. we can go round ask round and round. but the what the trump administration cannot do is continue to proinvestigator facts, which is what this was again. >> the facts here and if it you listen to a historian, he explained how it wasn't only solely about one issue, which you seem to be obsessed with trying to connect to the president, which is the issue of race or racism. at some point if we want the as a country to move forward, we have to lock at the entire context of some of these comments and look at the historical comments of it because it is different than what you want it to be. i can go back out on national tv and imply that donald trump is a racist because he likes a former president. it gets old. >> that's not what i said. >> thank you so much, gentlemen. ben, bakari, howard, you all had plenty of time. thank you so much. appreciate you coming on. >> thanks. >>> top of the hour now. great to have you with us. the white house

to talk about andrew jackson without mentioning he was a slave owner. it's hard to talk about jackson as if. he didn't brutalize native americans. we can go round ask round and round. but the what the trump administration cannot do is continue to proinvestigator facts, which is what this was again. >> the facts here and if it you listen to a historian, he explained how it wasn't only solely about one issue, which you seem to be obsessed with trying to connect to the president, which is...

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presidents donald trumpandandrewjackson. onhisbook"andrewjackson: southerner."he representsink the positive values that jackson represented. he represents some of the negative values represented by jackson but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he wants to put nation in front of his own personhood and family and interest because that is what jackson did for much of his presidency. >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q&a. >> this morning, adam brandon, president and ceo of freedom works talks about efforts to change tax law and how the senate should proceed with the health care replacement bill. then american university professor alan lichtman talks that the case for an impeachment investigation. and later, the atlantic contributor caitlin flanagan on her article entitled "how late-night comedy fueled the -- asf donald trump." the >> i have talked to the president. the president has nothing further to add on that. >> why did he say that? what should we interpret from that? >> as i mentioned, the president has no

presidents donald trump and andrew jackson. on his book "andrew jackson: southerner." he representsink the positive values that jackson represented. he represents some of the negative values represented by jackson but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he wants to put nation in front of his own personhood and family and interest because that is what jackson did for much of his presidency. >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's...

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presidentandrewjackson. theyboth rose to power on a wave of populism, they both have probably gone into the oval office just to shout the "c-word", and their hair always makes them look like they're recovering from a tornado. and in an interview with the washington examiner today, we got to hear some interesting thoughts on old hickory from old dickory. >> -- a little later you wouldn't of had the civil war. the civil war, he says r. said there is no reason for this. people don't ask that question. why was there the civil war. why could that not of been worked out? >> the answer is slavery. [laughing] >> chris: several problems with this. first... it would have been very hard for andrew jackson to be mad about the civil war, given that he died 16 years earlier. second, he says "people don't ask" why the civil war happened, even though that's literally a question on the test to become an american citizen. [laughing] psst... the answer is "slavery!" clearly, president trump has an understanding of history that is far beyond ours, so we're gonna take this as an opportunity to learn wi

president andrew jackson. they both rose to power on a wave of populism, they both have probably gone into the oval office just to shout the "c-word", and their hair always makes them look like they're recovering from a tornado. and in an interview with the washington examiner today, we got to hear some interesting thoughts on old hickory from old dickory. >> -- a little later you wouldn't of had the civil war. the civil war, he says r. said there is no reason for this. people...

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. >>> sunday on "q&q" the comparisons between donald trumpandandrewjackson, thebook"andrewjacksonthesoutherner ". >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he certainly represents some of the negative values that jackson represented, but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put nation in front of his own personhood, has to put nation in front of his own family and in front of his own interest because that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a ". >> to experience a fulfilling purposeful life one thing you're going to have to do is this. live a large life. >> you are your own stories. and therefore free to imagine and experience what it means to be human. >> we have a responsibility in our time as others have had in their, not to be prisoners of history but to shape history. a responsibility to fill the role of path finder. >> holding fast to your compass of values, faith, honesty, loyalty, patriotism and again rot sis at this time. >> just

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. >> yesterday, the civil war being an example of that, here's what he had to sayaboutandrewjackson. >>i mean, had andrew jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was, he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. >> you don't have to be a historian, robert, to see all the problems with this statement, not the least of which is about a 15-year period after jackson had died. but is the criticism overblown? does he need to be a historian to do his job? >> no. the president does not need to be a historian to do his job. as you mentioned, andrew jackson died, i believe, 16 years before the civil war started. based on my history, andrew jackson also owned slaves. there's a lot of misperceptions there. look, the president of the united states reserves the right to have his opinions. the president of the united states has the right to talk to press or not to talk to the press. he also reserves the right to end the press conference or medi

. >> yesterday, the civil war being an example of that, here's what he had to say about andrew jackson. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was, he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. >> you don't have to be a historian, robert, to see all the problems with this statement, not the least...

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comparisons between donald trumpandandrewjackson. ,"andrew has abookjackson: sevenor." >> he represents some of the negative values jackson represented. i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put the nation in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, in front of his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> tonight on q&a. c-span's q&a. >> join washington journal on monday as we visit the offices organization start up and hear from their editors and reporters on the news of the day. joining us will be the cofounder jonathan swann, national political reporter, and kate linda owens, health care reporter. and mike allen, caps on -- cofounder of axios and executive editor. live, monday morning, starting at 8 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> now, a senate intelligence committee hearing on global

comparisons between donald trump and andrew jackson. , "andrew has a book jackson: seven or." >> he represents some of the negative values jackson represented. i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put the nation in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, in front of his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> tonight on q&a. c-span's q&a. >> join washington journal...

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they the comparisons between president donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest on hisbookandrewjacksonsoutherner. >> i do not think he represents the positive values that andrew jackson represented. he certainly represent some of the negative values that jackson represented. think i would tell president trump that if you was to be like andrew jackson he has to but the nation and front of his own person, in front of his own family. in front of his own interests because that is what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> tonight on 8:00 eastern una. --q and a. >> now senator chris murphy holds a town hall. this is about one hour and a half. [applause] >> thank you. sit down. sit down. thank you, everybody. that is very nice. cold and thatve makes the feel better today. i feel more well with that nice introduction. d which and i say and that covers it. thank all of the folks who are here, you are doing a fantastic job every single day bringing educational opportunities to kids and adults here in stamford. thank you for opening this up to your representatives. thank you for be

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andrewjacksonandthe civil war. here's what he said. and then we'll talk about it. >> i mean had andrew jackson been a little bit later he wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with the regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't realize the civil war, if you think about it why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> is there anything in his record, in his history that shows he could have averted the civil war, andrew jackson? >> of course not. and it's been well talked about on your show even tonight. he's a slave owner. the trail of tears is known as probably the most brutal act of extermination of native people. native people weren't treated well in america, period, but andrew jackson -- i'm not suggesting we don't study his presidency correctly, but this is not an education lesson. i have to teach history. high school teachers are trying to teach history. this is anti-histo

andrew jackson and the civil war. here's what he said. and then we'll talk about it. >> i mean had andrew jackson been a little bit later he wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with the regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't realize the civil war, if you think about it why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could...

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train pulled into sirious radio. >> wehadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later you wouldn't have had the civil war. and he was-- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. >> stephen: exactly. exactly. andrew jackson said there is no reason for this, okay. he said we don't need a civil war. all my slaves are perfectly happy. now and one rarely hears this, in fairness to andrew jackson, i'm not-- i'm not surprised he didn't stop the civil war given that he died 16 years before it started. or as donald truch would put it, i prefer president was don't die. then donald trump wrapped up his civil war sim posium with a ground-breaking question. >> people don't realize, you know, the civil war, if you think about it, why. people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war. >> stephen: it's one of the great mysteries of our time. why was there a civil war. also, who murdered the titanic. we'll never know. we'll never know. and because-- (applause) no way of knowing. no one has ever asked, jon, no one

train pulled into sirious radio. >> we had andrew jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the civil war. and he was-- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there is no reason for this. >> stephen: exactly. exactly. andrew jackson said there is no reason for this, okay. he said we don't need a civil war. all my slaves are perfectly happy. now and one rarely hears this, in fairness to andrew jackson, i'm not-- i'm not...

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comments on the civil war andonandrewjackson. listento this. >> i mean,hadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war -- >> yeah -- >> you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> i mean -- why -- >> it's the president! >> i've heard it all week, i know. it's -- >> i'm sorry. >> does it make any sense to you as a linguistics professor, someone who studies and teaches language. does that make any sense to you? >> it's not about language at this point. why does he like andrew jackson? because at some point he was on some shag rug floor and he likes davey crockett and likes that andrew jackson was full of pepper. that's what he knows about andrew jackson and as far as the civil war, the idea that people aren't quite sure h

comments on the civil war and on andrew jackson. listen to this. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war -- >> yeah -- >> you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why...

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:00 p.m. eastern. "q&a," the comparisons between president donald trumpandandrewjackson. bookueston his "andrew jackson: southerner." >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson representaed. he certainly represents the negative values that jackson represented. if he wants to be like jackson, he has put nation in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, in front of his own interest because that's what jackson did for most of his own presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's "q&a." announcer: "washington journal" continues. host: eleanor clift is back in desk and is a longtime panelist on the mclaughlin group. want to get your reaction to james comey's firing yesterday. guest: in 100 plus days where we have had more surprises and sharks that i can remember and my time in washington, this was a major shock to the system. the firing of the man who is leading the investigation against the president seems like something no sitting president would do because of the political fallout. and donald trump has defied expectations once ag

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. >> tonight on a q&a, the comparisons between donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest on his book. >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented he represents some the negative values that jackson represented. i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put the nation in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, in front of his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his residency. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on q&a. "washington journal" continues. host: another missile test by the north korean government. the daily mail in london has the piece.

. >> tonight on a q&a, the comparisons between donald trump and andrew jackson. our guest on his book. >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented he represents some the negative values that jackson represented. i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson, he has to put the nation in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, in front of his own interests. that's what jackson did for most of his residency....

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-- >> time now for "one more thing." bob. >> the favor presidentisandrewjackson. whatpresident trump relates to jackson -- this is what he said. he said of andrew jackson had done his deal, there never would have been a civil war. he died 16 years before the war. my daughter is here and just got back from europe. a semester away. i'm glad to have her back. and her name is mckenzie. >> hi, mckenzie! she is super cute and sweet. >> she doesn't look at all like you. >> good for her. >> kimberly, you are next. it's time for... caption these. trump, i am available to go to england with you. the duke and duchess are delighted to share this new photograph of princess charlotte to mark her second birthday tomorrow. isn't she cute as a button? she looks like our little dana perino. it was taken by the dutch as herself in, england. it shows the toddler wearing a yellow sweater featuring spring lambs. william and kate were very pleased to show this photograph as they celebrate princess charlotte's second birthday. >> i love how they call it a country home. >> oh, like you don't have one? [laugh

-- >> time now for "one more thing." bob. >> the favor president is andrew jackson. what president trump relates to jackson -- this is what he said. he said of andrew jackson had done his deal, there never would have been a civil war. he died 16 years before the war. my daughter is here and just got back from europe. a semester away. i'm glad to have her back. and her name is mckenzie. >> hi, mckenzie! she is super cute and sweet. >> she doesn't look at all...

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trump spending so much time talking about america's seventhpresident,andrewjackson, andthe american civil war? is history being revived or rewritten? north korea has accused the united states of pushing the korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war, today, two us bombers flew a training exercise alongside the south korean and japanese air forces. the north's official news agency said it was a rehearsal for a pre—emptive nuclear strike. the pentagon has confirmed its missile defence shield, known as thad, is 110w defence shield, known as thad, is now fully operational, which will antagonise china, as well as pyongyang. maybe there is a twin strategy, over the weekend, president trump called kim jong—un a smart cookie, even said that he would meet with him if the conditions were right. joining us to discuss the rising tensions, the former us defence secretary under the clinton administration, and now bbc world affairs analyst. great to see you. when donald trump says he would be honoured to meet kim jong—un, that was a pretty odd use of the word...! jong—un, that w

trump spending so much time talking about america's seventh president, andrew jackson, and the american civil war? is history being revived or rewritten? north korea has accused the united states of pushing the korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war, today, two us bombers flew a training exercise alongside the south korean and japanese air forces. the north's official news agency said it was a rehearsal for a pre—emptive nuclear strike. the pentagon has confirmed its missile defence...

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. you definitely heard about themonandrewjacksonandthe civil war with #trumpteacheshistory. check it out. >> brum gave an interview where he wondered why the civil war ever happened. not only that, trump also said that andrew jackson was really angry about the civil war. but andrew jackson actually died 16 years before it started. trump said he will apologize to jackson when they play golf together next week. he'll take care of it. don't worry about it. over hereno!ver here! (dog barking) whoever threw it has to go get it. not me! somebody will get it... ♪ (dog barking) anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part. from the b-2 to the upcoming b-21, northrop grumman stealth bombers give america an advantage in a turbulent world. and we're looking for a few dreamers to join us. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves.

. you definitely heard about them on andrew jackson and the civil war with #trumpteacheshistory. check it out. >> brum gave an interview where he wondered why the civil war ever happened. not only that, trump also said that andrew jackson was really angry about the civil war. but andrew jackson actually died 16 years before it started. trump said he will apologize to jackson when they play golf together next week. he'll take care of it. don't worry about it. over hereno!ver here! (dog...

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clear,andrewjacksonwasdead 16 years before the civil war happened. he was a slave owner and somebody who ordered the slaughter of american indians. but putting that aside, charlie, putting this comment that doesn't seem to be rooted, at least seemingly in the facts, is this -- critics say this is the problem with the president, that he doesn't study, that he doesn't get to know an issue before he starts talking. what do you make of it, charlie? >> yeah, your point is exactly right. it's not just donald trump is so profoundly ignorant of american history. he's frankly ignorant of what he's ignorant of and he doesn't have any problem advertising all that. why did we have to have that civil war? i don't know, mr. president, maybe it had something to do with slavery. again, he would probably have to read a book to fully grasp all of the nuances of that issue. >> he apparently is reading books about andrew jackson, at least. on this subject of not being fully briefed on the information at hand, let's listen to donald trump's interview with cbs over the weekend where he talks abou

clear, andrew jackson was dead 16 years before the civil war happened. he was a slave owner and somebody who ordered the slaughter of american indians. but putting that aside, charlie, putting this comment that doesn't seem to be rooted, at least seemingly in the facts, is this -- critics say this is the problem with the president, that he doesn't study, that he doesn't get to know an issue before he starts talking. what do you make of it, charlie? >> yeah, your point is exactly right....

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andandrewjackson.our guest mark cheetham on his book,"andrewjackson, southerner.">> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he certainly represents some of the negative values he

and andrew jackson . our guest mark cheetham on his book, "andrew jackson, southerner." >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. he certainly represents some of the negative values he

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between president donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest in his bookonandrewjackson. >>i do not think he represents the positive values that jackson representative. he certainly represents some of the negative values that jackson represented but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like into jackson, quit nationhood in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, it and own. of his director james comey inspired by trump. the president made his announcement in a press release yesterday afternoon. mr. comey learned from news reports he at been fired while addressing employees in los angeles, according to the times. television screens in the began flashing the news while he spoke. then fbi issued a correction to james comey's testimony on the handling of emails. those comments were made by him last week at a senate hearing will stop the next, we show you

between president donald trump and andrew jackson. our guest in his book on andrew jackson. >> i do not think he represents the positive values that jackson representative. he certainly represents some of the negative values that jackson represented but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like into jackson, quit nationhood in front of his own personhood, in front of his own family, it and own. of his director james comey inspired by trump. the president made his...

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relief when you need it.hadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war, why could that one not have been worked out? >> there's a reason people don't ask the reason why was there a civil war. president trump creating political whiplash after a series of alarming comments including those we heard about andrew jackson. what historian douglas brinkley called the most bizarre 24 hours in presidential history, joining me is historian professor jon meacham author of "american lion andrew jackson in the white house." to just try to put this in some sort of context, can you give us a history lesson? >> sure. jackson fought for the union in 1832/33, south carolina was causing problems, they wanted to pick and choose which federal laws they wanted to obey called nullification. it was seen as a pretext for ab

relief when you need it. had andrew jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war, why could that one not have been worked out? >> there's a reason people don't ask the reason why was there a civil war. president...

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donald trumpandandrewjackson. ourguest mark cheatham on his book."andrewjackson, southerner.">> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. i think he represents the negative values that jackson represented but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson he has to put nation in front of his own personhood. he has to put nation in front of his own family, in front of his own interests because that's what jackson did for most of his presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q&a. >>> saturday at noon eastern on book tv, military historians discuss their books on world war i. at the 2017 colby military writers' sim posian. the authors include jenner if mckean. michael nyburg with his book "the path to war, how the first world war created modern america." retired colonel robert de la sandro, "over there, america in the great war." and the recipient of the colby award, author david barron, "waging war, the clash between presidents and congress 1776 to isis." watch the 2017 colby military writers'

donald trump and andrew jackson. our guest mark cheatham on his book. "andrew jackson, southerner." >> i don't think he represents the positive values that jackson represented. i think he represents the negative values that jackson represented but i think i would tell president trump that if he wants to be like andrew jackson he has to put nation in front of his own personhood. he has to put nation in front of his own family, in front of his own interests because that's what...

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civil war andonandrewjackson. listento this. >> i meanhadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war, if you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> what's wrong? >> this is the president. >> i've heard it all week. i know. it's -- does it make any sense to you as a linguistics professor, someone who studies and teaches language, does that make any sense to you? >> well, frankly it's not about language at this point. i mean why does he like andrew jackson? it's because you can imagine that at some point he was on some shag-rugged floor in queens in a coonskin cap and he liked d davy crockett. as far as the civil war, the idea that people aren't quite sure how it went, does he know nothing about the fact that there's a whole w

civil war and on andrew jackson. listen to this. >> i mean had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war, if you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not...

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his supposed model for thepresidency,andrewjackson, hewent on a bizarre tangent about the civil war and jackson, who died 16 years before the war started. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize the civil war -- you think about it, why. people don't ask that question, why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. [ laughter and applause ] people -- people don't ask that question. [ cheers and applause ] no one ever asked why was there the civil war. and who can forget those searing letters from soldiers on the battlefield? ♪ dearest elizabeth, i write to you from the front lines with the civil war rages on for whatever reason. [ light laughter ] today i bayoneted my owner brother, for what purpose, he cried out and i, of course could only respond, i do not know. nobody knows. [ light laughter ] general grant informed us today we

his supposed model for the presidency, andrew jackson, he went on a bizarre tangent about the civil war and jackson, who died 16 years before the war started. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize the civil war -- you think about it, why. people don't ask that question, why was there the civil war?...

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actually about the civil war. let's listen. >> i meanhadandrewjacksonbeena little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, that the civil war, if you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> senator, there's a lot of things he hasn't thought about before, and this one i -- i don't know what he thought the rebels were fighting for in the south "for the recorfor for yea feet they fought for savoe savl. >> and that he somehow thinks andrew jackson, a racist slave owner would have helped avoid the civil war. i don't like to think about the ways in which andrew jackson would have helped avoid the civil war if he'd had the chance. i don't think that's how we built the america of opportunity for all of us, or at least tried to aim in that direction. lord. >> you know

actually about the civil war. let's listen. >> i mean had andrew jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was -- he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, that the civil war, if you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one...