I was reading today that SIRI seems to be pro-life. Meanwhile, Google is more than happy to help people with murdering their fetuses.

Ask the Siri, the new iPhone 4 assistant, where to get an abortion, and, if you happen to be in Washington, D.C., she wont direct you to the Planned Parenthood on 16th St, NW. Instead, shell suggest you pay a visit to the 1st Choice Womens Health Center, an anti-abortion Crisis Pregnancy Center (CPC) in Landsdowne, Virginia, or Human Life Services, a CPC in York, Pennsylvania. Ask Google the same question, and youll get ads for no less than 7 metro-area abortion clinics, 2 CPCs and a nationwide abortion referral service.

Those comparison video say it all. Microsoft will never (yes I said never) catch up to Apple's technology. Hell they can't even copy it. I hope these videos go on youtube because they will go cosmic and everyone will know the difference. There is no comparison.

...and because Steve said it, on video no less, it surely must be the absolute truth.

Consider how quickly ios was adapted to the iPad - while android still sucks on a tablet and windows 8 isn't out yet - it certainly lends credence to the fact that apple had done substantial work on making an iOS tablet earlier than the iPhone.

I believe the original intent for the iPad was the safari pad - but the technology at the time - 2004/5 wasn't ready - so they went with the iPhone first.

every Siri ad and article makes me that much more angry that apple killed the Siri app that i had on my iPhone 4 for more than a year before the release of the 4S. i refuse to upgrade in order to use a feature that i used to use daily. i'll wait for the iPhone 6,9 and the iPad 3.14, or whatever rumor is circulating now.

I can understand your disappointment. However, correct me if I am wrong, I believe that this actual implementation is the result of a great deal of further development, including obviously, integration into iOS.

"It began with the tablet. I had this idea about having a glass display, a multitouch display you could type on with your fingers. I asked our people about it. And six months later, they came back with this amazing display. And I gave it to one of our really brilliant UI guys. He got scrolling working and some other things, and I thought, 'my God, we can build a phone with this!' So we put the tablet aside, and we went to work on the iPhone."

Which is why Apple's original mobile operating system was called the iPhone OS, and not iOS until it was enlarged to work on the iPad some 3 years after the iPhone's introduction.

That means nothing. The iPod touch OS was not called iPod touch OS. It was obvious that Apple was expanding the iPhone OS at the time. I was convinced back then that Apple will eventually rename it iOS when they are ready. Did you expect Apple to come out on the original iPhone release and say "hey, we have this OS and we will call it iOS because in three years we will release the iPad with this OS on it.".

SIRI is a nice tool on the phone, but I personally dont find much use of it, I played around with it the first day like setting the alarm and tried out some of the dumb questions that has been doing the rounds on the net. I kinda agree with some statements on the post and that it might not be super useful for everyone, but I think technologically it is one of the most advanced AI in a mobile device, That I am sure off. Maybe over time usefulness of SIRI might grow and be a real bench mark with lots of improvements, right now it is just a cool feature without any significant use.
SIRI is also a beta version, apple might be testing the users reactions, They will be happy even if people just play around with it, SIRI calls homes for a response which can mean that apple will get free voice samples of varied accents free of cost which will hopefully help them make it work with the voices of people with varied accents.

That means nothing. The iPod touch OS was not called iPod touch OS. It was obvious that Apple was expanding the iPhone OS at the time. I was convinced back then that Apple will eventually rename it iOS when they are ready. Did you expect Apple to come out on the original iPhone release and say "hey, we have this OS and we will call it iOS because in three years we will release the iPad with this OS on it.".

The iPhone OS wasn't even called "iPhone OS" when the iPhone launched in 2007. It didn't have an official name, by the way (The closest you get is Steve saying "The iPhone runs Mac OS X" in the keynote).

In any case, it makes sense that they wouldn't give away any unannounced products (i.e. iPad in-the-works) by calling the OS anything other than "iPhone OS".

I've accomplished my childhood's dream: My job consists mainly of playing with toys all day long.

SIRI is a nice tool on the phone, but I personally dont find much use of it, I played around with it the first day like setting the alarm and tried out some of the dumb questions that has been doing the rounds on the net. I kinda agree with some statements on the post and that it might not be super useful for everyone, but I think technologically it is one of the most advanced AI in a mobile device, That I am sure off. Maybe over time usefulness of SIRI might grow and be a real bench mark with lots of improvements, right now it is just a cool feature without any significant use.
SIRI is also a beta version, apple might be testing the users reactions, They will be happy even if people just play around with it, SIRI calls homes for a response which can mean that apple will get free voice samples of varied accents free of cost which will hopefully help them make it work with the voices of people with varied accents.

Just wait... Soon Siri will be able to buy things at your direction!

It's called "no-click shopping"

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

I've been experimenting using Siri to find and play music from iTunes Match on iCloud.

After a few false starts, it works quite well (though, in the US, Siri seems to understand Castillian Spanish better than Mexican Spanish).

Long story, short!

I predict that Apple will make Siri available on every device that can support it ASAP!

Why?

Let me illustrate:

"Siri play something by 'Sheena Melwani"

Siri: "Looking for 'Sheena Melwani'..."

Siri: "You don't have anything by 'Sheena Melwani' in your music.

----> This is where the dialog ends ... In the present beta.

Here's the obvious continuation of the above conversation:

Siri: "I found 2 Albums and 21 songs by 'Sheena Melwani' in the iTunes Music Store. Would you like to preview them?"

...

Why? I'll tell you why... Because Siri can buy things for you!

Edit: Kinda makes you want Siri on your TV too...

"Swift generally gets you to the right way much quicker." - auxio -

"The perfect [birth]day -- A little playtime, a good poop, and a long nap." - Tomato Greeting Cards -

SIRI is a nice tool on the phone, but I personally dont find much use of it, I played around with it the first day like setting the alarm and tried out some of the dumb questions that has been doing the rounds on the net. I kinda agree with some statements on the post and that it might not be super useful for everyone, but I think technologically it is one of the most advanced AI in a mobile device, That I am sure off. Maybe over time usefulness of SIRI might grow and be a real bench mark with lots of improvements, right now it is just a cool feature without any significant use.
SIRI is also a beta version, apple might be testing the users reactions, They will be happy even if people just play around with it, SIRI calls homes for a response which can mean that apple will get free voice samples of varied accents free of cost which will hopefully help them make it work with the voices of people with varied accents.

I found it very useful for time- and location-based reminders. I used Notes often but never used the Reminders much until the 4S, then I found myself frequently setting up reminders even for just a few minutes later or for minor reasons because a quick Siri entry saved so much time and effort over accessing the Reminders app and inputing the data directly.

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The iPhone OS wasn't even called "iPhone OS" when the iPhone launched in 2007. It didn't have an official name, by the way (The closest you get is Steve saying "The iPhone runs Mac OS X" in the keynote).

In any case, it makes sense that they wouldn't give away any unannounced products (i.e. iPad in-the-works) by calling the OS anything other than "iPhone OS".

I thought they did call it iPhone OS, but I guess it doesn't make much sense at that point since there was no SDK so the name was somewhat pointless. At the 2008 it was referred to as OS X iPhone.

edit: They'd need a name for updates, especially after the iPod Touch arrived. So what did they call it on their developer site?

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Which is why Apple's original mobile operating system was called the iPhone OS, and not iOS until it was enlarged to work on the iPad some 3 years after the iPhone's introduction.

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Originally Posted by Sector7G

You have made you're self look a complete tit here. Steve himself on video said they were working on the iPad first. You really need to know what you're talking about. Other than just trolling every post

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Originally Posted by DaHarder

...and because Steve said it, on video no less, it surely must be the absolute truth.

Hey DaHarder,

We've heard Steve say that Apple was working on a tablet first.

And then we've got you saying they didn't.

Why do you think he would just make up that story? Don't you think there are hundreds of people who worked on those projects who would spill the beans if he was lying?

And what possible gain would there be to lie about the origins of the iPad and iPhone anyway? Is this some Da Vinci Code mystery?

According to Wikipedia, Siri came out of CALO, a DARPA project to create a personal assistant for a solider.

"Its five-year contract brought together 300+ researchers from 25 of the top university and commercial research institutions, with the goal of building a new generation of cognitive assistants that can reason, learn from experience, be told what to do, explain what they are doing, reflect on their experience, and respond robustly to surprise."

So it's no surprise that Siri is the best out there, it has the best pedigree. Just like iOS and it's BSD Unix base, when Apple make a consumer product, there's often "industrial strength" underneath.

And I don't think Siri is useless or a gimmick. Think of the things it is good at: appointments, contacts, weather: all things that live on your phone, and the phone is the only device Apple have put it on. If it had been released on the iPad with it's current abilities it would be a gimmick, but Apple didnt do that. It will only migrate to new devices when it's abilities increase, making it a non-gimmick on them too.

I was reading today that SIRI seems to be pro-life. Meanwhile, Google is more than happy to help people with murdering their fetuses.

Ask the Siri, the new iPhone 4 assistant, where to get an abortion, and, if you happen to be in Washington, D.C., she wont direct you to the Planned Parenthood on 16th St, NW. Instead, shell suggest you pay a visit to the 1st Choice Womens Health Center, an anti-abortion Crisis Pregnancy Center (CPC) in Landsdowne, Virginia, or Human Life Services, a CPC in York, Pennsylvania. Ask Google the same question, and youll get ads for no less than 7 metro-area abortion clinics, 2 CPCs and a nationwide abortion referral service.

So basically, Apple decides to mess with the minds of young women and rob them of their freedom.
If I was a woman, I'd go to court on that. I would not ask for damages, I'd ask for an official, multiple-newspaper apology. But maybe next Apple idea is "if you ask for the closest islamic, judaic or buddhist cult place, Apple suggest several Protestant cult places to help you to the _right faith_"?
Or maybe, if you ask for a Democrat representative's permanency, you get referred to the Republican equivalent?

Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

I have difficulty believing that (self styled) fans of the "Think Different" company would openly advocate _companies_ deciding what's morally acceptable for their customers.

If women need/want to abort, it is their choice. That's law, that's moral. Whether or not you, SJ or anyone else dislikes it should not impact Siri's results. Of course, I expect you to tell me next that anyway, Siri should not demean itself to answer if you are a black person, or similar bullshit. But maybe you just did not realize the consequences of meddling with search results based on "moral" positions?

I'm theorically pro abortion. I think abortion is bad and should be avoided, but still should be legal. I also think most prolifers (based on the ones I've seen and heard, or read) base their belief on religious (highly debatable, hence) or male-power beliefs. I demand that companies do not force such ideas on me. I want freedom of thought, religion and race equality. I don't want some company to tell me that black people are inferior to white ones, or that women should not be allowed to abort, or that Socialism is a worse system than Liberalism. More importantly, I don't want this company to ACT accordingly by filtering-out the information I asked on islam, abortion, socialism or race-equality.

I hope I made my point clear. It's the same as Majjo's, basically: a machine/company with a political agenda is out-of-bounds in a democracy.

Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

According to Wikipedia, Siri came out of CALO, a DARPA project to create a personal assistant for a solider.

"Its five-year contract brought together 300+ researchers from 25 of the top university and commercial research institutions, with the goal of building a new generation of cognitive assistants that can reason, learn from experience, be told what to do, explain what they are doing, reflect on their experience, and respond robustly to surprise."

So it's no surprise that Siri is the best out there, it has the best pedigree. Just like iOS and it's BSD Unix base, when Apple make a consumer product, there's often "industrial strength" underneath.

And I don't think Siri is useless or a gimmick. Think of the things it is good at: appointments, contacts, weather: all things that live on your phone, and the phone is the only device Apple have put it on. If it had been released on the iPad with it's current abilities it would be a gimmick, but Apple didnt do that. It will only migrate to new devices when it's abilities increase, making it a non-gimmick on them too.

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What I love with the US is its socialist economy. State-funded research then used for the masses
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Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

If Siri had an option to use Majel Barret's voice, I would buy the iPhone 4S in an instant! UNtil then, I can wait to see what happens with the next iPhone and iPad...
I really do hope that they made enough recordings of her voice before she passed away to use as the voice of a computer/iPhone/iPad at some point. I bet there are plenty of Trekkers who would pay big $$ for that.

Siri's importance will be dismissed until the competition can figure out how to copy and implement something similar. The strategy thus far has been to wait until Apple creates something, then copy it and add features Apple previously left out and then market their product as better.

Give them time.

The problem with Google's Voice or Microsoft's TellMe, I venture, is that both companies will never take the effort to make their counterpart to Siri to be as capable and versatile in functionality because it will only kill the geese that lay their ads' golden eggs. Google's only game in town is its one-trick pony ads business, and Microsoft has lost billions in its attempts to upset Google's applecart. You will notice in the demonstration that TellMe always bring you to the Bing search interface.

Here Apple has a huge advantage over Google or Microsoft: It has no huge investment in a soon-to-be-outdated search interface.

But the Apple fanboys don't see it as a "technique". Instead, they aggressively defend what is said. But when Apple does release those products or features, those Apple fanboys can't admit that they were wrong. Instead, they change their story and spin it to say "Apple was planning to do it all along".

I guess the key question then is why respond to "fanboys'" irrational response? Why trouble yourself with a response when it is obvious they have "drunk the koolaid"? Why continue to feed into the diatribe cycle when you apparently know better?

OTOH, <you> in fact don't know what Apple has on the bench, what is in development and being refined, now do you? <You> don't know at what point Apple started working on a particular device or feature - you only know when they announce it to the public. Having worked for a company driving a wide swath of innovative products at one time (3M), we had at least three year's worth of product ahead of public release. So driving your argument based on public release is simply inaccurate.

And to be clear, Jobs was being completely honest in those statements - according to the bio and other sources, he had to be convinced to open up to 3rd party apps, he stated they weren't going to do cut/copy/paste until they were able to get the interface right,
that multitasking wouldn't be activated until they were sure it wouldn't be a battery drainer (unlike the Android version), and that they wouldn't make a tablet PC - which of course the iPad most definitely is not. Context is important and using what was actually said, instead of setting up "strawman" statements to knock down.

And everyone else, the DED articles always draw out folks like DaHarder and BettieBlue to sputter irrationally and nonsensically. I too have been guilty of feeding trolls in here, but try to minimize the derailing of the actual content of the article for the thread.

I thank'ee!

If you are going to insist on being an ass, at least demonstrate the intelligence to be a smart one

But according to the Right, the government can't do anything right. Why are we trusting them to defend the country?

The only people who want the government to do nothing, i.e. to not exist, are anarchists, and they are usually considered leftist.

The smallest allowable government on the right still runs the military, courts and police, because the free market requires law and order. People won't trade goods if they can just steal them. People won't make long term business deals if contracts are not enforced, and fraud is not a crime.

Obviously Steve was using Muhammad Ali's technique of "Rope-A-Dope", and it apparently worked as Apple caught the market flat footed and he delivered a one-two punch delivery of both video on iPods and iPhones and also hammered the market with the iPad.

I don't know how much of Siri was Steve. In the biog, it's implied that he was given a demo of Siri for the first time at a Board meeting just before he resigned and was at first pessimistic that it could do as claimed. He asked it several questions and was apparently impressed.

If Steve was not heavily involved with Siri, that actually is a positive for Apple. There's an impression that Jobs was a micro-manager who was involved in every design decision and there's a more positive outlook for Apple's future if a wider variety of executives and managers were directly involved in everything we love about Apple's products that frequently gets credited to Jobs.

There is one thing about Siri that bothers me. If it's really only a Beta, then IMO it shouldn't be the focus of Apple's advertising for the phone. Apple wants to have it both ways: if it works, it's a reason to buy the phone and if it doesn't, "well sorry, it's only a Beta."