I'm not gonna get into anything really involved with the article (at least not in this post). I am just wondering why you linked Windows (in obvious reference to MS Windows) to the Redmond Linux Corporation.

It's not the first time I have seen it. I have been involved in many threads in which we discussed the strange little quirks about this distro. I am just wondering why YOU, a member of the adequacy.org anti-linux/OSS, "it sux because it sux and that's why it sux" family of lusers did so.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

I am just wondering why you linked Windows (in obvious reference to MS Windows) to the Redmond Linux Corporation.

Because this particular distro is a good example of where Linux has ideas above its station. Linux will never be an OS for the rest of us. Those of us who want powerful Unix-like OS on the desktop will choose FreeBSD, or OpenBSD, or Solaris, or at a push MacOS X. Linux is not Windows. Why pretend ?

Adequacy is not anti Linux or anti open source. Adequacy is a place where highly controversial opinions may be given an airing, and intelligent debate may take place.

Note the cartoon is entitled 'Linux Zealot' it is not called 'Linux User'. Doubtless there are hundreds of Linux users for whom the OS is perfect, I am just not one of them, and I came to the conclusion that alternative OSs are a waste of time for the casual computer user after having run NetBSD 0.8, 0.9, Slackware, Redhat and BeOS (triple booting the last two alongside win95). I am now a contented user of Windows ME. So I know what I am talking about, I am not some pro-MS zealot shooting my mouth off.

If you don't like what you hear, why do you keep coming back and arguing ? If you can code, spend the time improving Linux. It has a long way to go before Joe Sixpack will choose it over Windows XP, the time you spend in pointless advocacy could be better spent elsewhere. Instead of attacking anyone who dares to point out that the Linux emperor has no clothes, why not learn to code, and get on with fixing its numerous shortcomings. Like, for example if you wanted to make me go back to Linux you would need to get i to recognise my modem, my DSL modem, my slide scanner, my webcam and my printer. Out of the box. Till then, Linux is quite simply a waste of my valuable time.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

the very subject line, "listen up dude", portrays a level of incompetence in using the written language even before the article itself gets posted.

"It's only for people who know how to use it" is a double edged sword. Yes, it does help to know certain things if one wishes to be a user of UNIX like OS'es (and all those wishing to reach POSIX compliance). These still are not "alternative" OS'es, however. UNIX was here long before Microsoft ever had a say in things. The BSD's were out at approximately the same time MS and IBM teamed together. This puts UNIX and UNIX like OS'es as the predecessor of the "other" OS'es. They have been worked on for thirty years and thus are more robust and more powerful than say Microsoft Windows (any flavor). Linux will run on 60 different architecture types. It has for years. If I have a Solaris machine, an Intel machine, a PowerPC, and a Sparc, I can use the same source code for most linux apps and run those apps on the different machines. This is not the case with Windows.
The double edge of the sword is that, while suggestive that one should know certain things about UNIX like OS'es, it is not necessary to do so, making the statement ultimately false. Nearly anyone can USE Linux. My initial foray into linux was three years ago when I installed Slackware 2.x ...it was very time consuming to get installed. AFTER it was installed and running, though, I never had the first minutes trouble out of it. Unfortunately, Win95 zapped that drive and, when I bought a new one, I did not jump back into Linux. I decided it best, given my gaming desire, to stick with Windows. A year ago, however, I felt the urge to install linux once again. I went with RedHat 7.1 and, in time, went as far as putting Mandrake 8.1 on my K6 II-500 laptop. Neither machine has had any problems since. Granted, my desktop 1800+ XP has to dual boot so that I can play Red Faction, but aside from the minor issue that Red Faction and DirectX games pose, I do not have a need to run Windows at all. My 11 year old brother asks to get online and I can say sure. He has no problem at all clicking on the mozilla icon on the desktop and surfing the net. If he wants to listen to mp3's, he clicks on XMMS and loads whatever MP3 he wants. In the event he wants to watch a DivX, he clicks on Xine and loads what he wants to watch. He even makes the comment that, if I am running windows, he will wait until I a boot up linux so that the DivX playback will be smoother. It is not NECESSARY to know anything about UNIX to USE a UNIX like OS, merely to get it installed. And, if Linux were to come bundled on machines like some of the "other" OS'es do, that would not be an issue.

As for world domination, that is absurd. The majority of computer users "on the world" shouldn't be trusted to do much more with a computer than turn it on, play a game or two, and browse the net. Many should not even be allowed to go online. Linux users realize that most users are incompetent and should be using a *relatively* fool proof OS, but most are also incompetent enough to not know that there were computers before Microsoft Windows.

What amazes me is that people often use the phrase "you have to have some knowledge" in order to make a case against various non-Windows OSes.

The attacks are more towards Unix and open source Unix variants. People seem to forget that the are other OSes on the market that will never run on your desktop at home. It doesn't make them any less popular.

NetWare, held a large precentage of the most server rooms. How did they lose it? Microsoft superior MARKETING.

BeOS the OS we'll never know. Most people think your telling stories when talking about this OS. What killed it? Microsoft's shady licensing with OEMs to start. Another would be choosing to merge OS8 and Rhapsody (NeXTstep)instead of BeOS as it would eliminate backwards compatibility (every app would need to be recompiled). The last would be Palm buying out Be and having no future plans for BeOS.

Those are just 2 examples.

You can't base whether an OS is popular based solely on whther or not there is a desktop version. Whether it is easy to use is depedent one its users. Many Windos user don't like MacOS simply because it's not familiar. Mac user don't like Windows because it's limited, slow and overly rigid. Windows users seem to have the most trouble with BeOS.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

Because this particular distro is a good example of where Linux has ideas above its station.

I thought you were going to mention the conspiracies that surround Redmond Linux.

Linux will never be an OS for the rest of us. Those of us who want powerful Unix-like OS on the desktop will choose FreeBSD, or OpenBSD, or Solaris, or at a push MacOS X. Linux is not Windows. Why pretend?

I don't see OpenBSD (or NetBSD) and Solaris as OSes for "the rest of us". Solaris isn't a desktop OS either.. You mentio FreeBSD yet I think many people would have trouble with it. Hell FreeBSD Desktop would probably be difficult for most. If you insist on having FreeBSD on your desktop, go with MacOSX (FreeBSD/Mach 3.0).

Adequacy is not anti Linux or anti open source.

Then what's up with all the "Linux sucks", "it will never go anywhere", "it's a hacker OS designed for hackers","OSS is unfinished hacker crap", blah blah blah especially from the editors?

Adequacy is a place where highly controversial opinions may be given an airing, and intelligent debate may take place.

You'll get intelligence when the standards of journalism becomes higher. When that happens, you'll see a significant decrease in the number of posts regarding numerous factual errors and opinions that arise on the authors behalf because of them

Note the cartoon is entitled 'Linux Zealot' it is not called 'Linux User'

I'm just wondering if a cartoon entitled 'Windoze Luser' would ever make it past the editors.

I might submit it. I would have to include a note that reads that Geocities web pages are known to display like crap. Sometimes the font is all messed up in IE and can look like crap. Netscape gets popup ads on EVERY page. I am not too sure about Opera though.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

We were interested in putting your counterpoint on the front page, but it was too much to ask, apparently, for you to fix your numerous spelling and grammar errors.

So if you are wondering who is to blame for your point of view not getting expressed here, look in the mirror. But anyway, we have 300,000 slashbots saying exactly the same things you say thousands of times a day, so chances are our readers have seen it before.

I do, I do, I do--Bikini Kill

Linux Vs. Windoze (1.00 / 1) (#10)

by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 3rd, 2002 at 03:36:39 AM PST

Lets say that the majority of Linux Users are not using it to play games. Gamers are the PROPERTY of M$. You see M$ does what it claims.. It makes an OS that even a Retarded 5 year old monkey can use. They do not let you see or control the underlying process. This is good for a lot of people who lack the Brains to comprehend what is going on. While linux/unix rely on the fact that their user base have the desire to 'Learn" how computers work. You said that Users should have lic. to use the internet. The first test should be if they can use a non GUI-based OS. If not they shouldn't be allowed on the Web.

reply (none / 0) (#20)

by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 3rd, 2002 at 06:36:51 AM PST

I completely agree, sir. As a Windows user, I demand the right to be able to recompile libPakistaniCalendar.so.1 or some other obscure library. I also enjoy troubleshooting 3D Linux games, which is an easy way to waste nine hours whenenver Quake 3 Arena crashes because of an undefined symbol referenced to a Pakistani calendar, but Loki Games tells you to recompile your OpenGL libraries, which then fail because of an undefined reference to a Kazakh recipe.

As for your 'retarded 5 year old monkey' remark, I highly doubt that there are any monkeys that are both retarded -and- five years old. There may be six year old retarded monkeys. If somebody could do some research into this subject, I would be very intrigued to hear about it.

I must also comment on your witty bashing of Microsoft Windows, by referring to it as Windoze. This would imply the fact that Windows is so slow, it causes you to doze off. Are you sure that you're just not an offended Linux Zealot?

person whom likes linux, not offended though (none / 0) (#31)

by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 3rd, 2002 at 08:17:50 PM PST

As much as I believe windoze sucks with its slower speeds and unstable, easily hackable lamer gui interface, i use it because i play games and granted it is tricky to play linux 3d games. It does take time, it is not a simple click and install. Although when installed on linux and working properly I have noticed Higher gaming performance. Im not a quake3 fan but in Unreal Tournament it gets better fps and so on and so on. But what the hell is my point, i forget. Well for WHOA! where do i click to "minimize" this window, users they need windoze, for the real computer people who use it as a tool to its full capacity, linux is the o/s to go with. Until the linux desktop gets alittle easier, yes even easier then mandrake 8.1 most will still use windoze, notice i refer to it as winDOze..maybe because it IS slower, shown in benchmark tests. blah blah blah,. ohh yeah another random point, the linux zealot cartoon thingy has a point, the stereotypical comp user is a fool and makes stuff harder on themselves and gets all high and mighty with their o/s, this i do not like about linux...whaever linux rules, i lost track of the point a total of 3.14 times. peace
-@@NitroPye@@-

I am sure that a system tweaked by Linux gurus like Torvalds might be competitive with Windows for some tasks, using some very specific hardware configurations. But rather than absurd and unrealistic benchmarks, let's get real (non-zealot) users and give them real hardware and then we'll see whether Linux can compete. That's the real test--and does anyone honestly doubt that Windows XP would triumph?

Yes (none / 0) (#37)

by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 3rd, 2002 at 11:40:30 PM PST

Seeing as stock installs of Mandrake and Red Hat with nothing but the latest NVIDIA drivers added beat XP...

Because he is part of a barbaric feudal society which turns to lethal weaponary to resolve disputes. That can only be one country in the world; the United States of America.

If Linuz Xealot lived in a peaceful country, like the ones found in Europe, he would probably prefer to explain to his friends the errors of their ways, he may even take them out for dinner. Hatred and contempt would be bottom of the agenda, in such a socialist paradise.

Furthermore, Linuz Xealot would not be playing such a game; countries which are not the U.S.A. realise that procreation is best performed when you promote sex and love, and reject violence and death. This is diametrically opposed to the stated goals of the American terror-tainment industry.adequacy.org -- because it isn't

We all know how non-violent Europe is. They are so non-violent that they cannot protect their own borders from attack. During WWII you Europeans were not nearly so superior when American ships and supplies were bailing you out. You were very humble indeed when the marshall plan paid for your cities and roads, and american businesses rescued your populaces. While peace is preferable, one must always be prepared, or else be caught with one's pants down like France, Spain, England, Poland....

it was the one where the glorious U.S. army lost to a bunch of peasants with sticks and hoes. But it was a very glorious and orderly loss!

--Peace and much love...

i can think of one time..... (none / 0) (#49)

by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 8th, 2002 at 12:52:47 AM PST

that one where we beat the redcoats and took this country for ourselves......oh wait it seems like England helped us out there by being crappy fighters....oh well guess i can't think of one then.

yeah, dont forget the war of 1812 (none / 0) (#50)

by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 8th, 2002 at 09:39:56 PM PST

hahahahahah, nice one man, and 1812

yeah, but we can take the euorpe as a whole. (none / 0) (#52)

by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 17th, 2002 at 07:46:32 AM PST

i dont think that you can call it a Barbaric Feudal society, there are laws here and there are punishment for those who transgress out of acceptable bounds of behaviour. if anything i support it, we have to many people in the united states as it is, if we could reduce the size of our population, there wouldnt be such a problem. i live about an hour outside of Salt Lake city Utah. Wich is the HOST CITY for the 2002 Winter Olympics, and we were chosen for a Good reason, not all places are as bad as what you see on the news. what they need is More police and Law enforcement , and stiffer penalties for stepping out of acceptable bounds.

Listen dude, if you think that was funny, it is not. Linux is way faster than Windows. Just because it doesn't have nice pictures and icons for morons like you it doesn't mean Linux is not THE BEST.

interesting.... (2.50 / 2) (#53)

by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 22nd, 2002 at 07:55:00 AM PST

Funny how my Q3 has higher framerates and even faster ping times than XP,W2K,98...

oh well,,, typical of a windows zealot making claims without substance....

Nice to see there is a place for the windows sheep to draw pictures and rant about.

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