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I'm not gonna get into the whole debate with you guys, but I will say, if my options are "Choco-Love" or "Tanned Frenchman" I'll take the latter. Fate has generally been good at avoiding racist portrayals of ethnicity, even if at times going the opposite direction and damn near erasing it (The age old Gilgamesh argument), but I think the question mark of possibly racist erasure is better than the exclamation point of definitely racist cartoon.

I mostly agree with that, and I must say on Gilgamesh that his portrayal in Fate is understandable because he is something that isn't human, so of course he won't be bound by silly human phenotypic restrictions.

He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.

Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya

Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?

Originally Posted by Five_X

Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

I'm not gonna get into the whole debate with you guys, but I will say, if my options are "Choco-Love" or "Tanned Frenchman" I'll take the latter. Fate has generally been good at avoiding racist portrayals of ethnicity, even if at times going the opposite direction and damn near erasing it (The age old Gilgamesh argument), but I think the question mark of possibly racist erasure is better than the exclamation point of definitely racist cartoon.

I'll concede your point, but the Curse of Ham thing was just me poking fun at the silly typo in your post. Sorry if you found it offensive...

It's ok.

Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable

I mostly agree with that, and I must say on Gilgamesh that his portrayal in Fate is understandable because he is something that isn't human, so of course he won't be bound by silly human phenotypic restrictions.

So your argument is that a 2/3 demigod who is supposed to be a perfect human specimen should be portrayed as a blond Caucasian instead of a Middle-Easterner. Lovely.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

[...] but I think the question mark of possibly racist erasure is better than the exclamation point of definitely racist cartoon.

And if those were the only two possible options in existence, I'd see your point, but they aren't, so...

So your argument is that a 2/3 demigod who is supposed to be a perfect human specimen should be portrayed as a blond Caucasian instead of a Middle-Easterner. Lovely.

But he isn't a Caucasian at all. He's clearly inhuman in nature, and although he has pale skin and golden blond hair, he cannot be defined as white. Besides, gold is the color of perfection and holiness and has been for the longest time. It splits him from the rest of the pack, and perhaps the pale skin was done to separate him from the other humans at the time, who had mostly darker skin. Not trying to be racist or anything because I personally am dark-skinned, but just saying.

And if those were the only two possible options in existence, I'd see your point, but they aren't, so...

Oh no, you're right, a respectful portrayal of ethnicity is the ideal and shouldn't be beyond possible, but to be quite frank, I don't quite trust modern artists to pull that off without some issue. So I'm willing to accept the lesser of two evils without much complaint so long as we're not replaying the era of black face and other heinous stereotypes.

Originally Posted by Break

are MILFS and lolis the only two types of women you think exist in Ireland?

Aside from what Gau and Deathhappens already added, given Gil's goal in original Fate was basically to commit genocide I think portraying him as dark-skinned could have its own sort of unfortunate implications...

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Besides, we already have Ramesses, who looks pretty much how I'd imagine a "racially accurate Gil" would. (As well as being significantly less of an asshole)

Aside from what Gau and Deathhappens already added, given Gil's goal in original Fate was basically to commit genocide I think portraying him as dark-skinned could have its own sort of unfortunate implications...

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Besides, we already have Ramesses, who looks pretty much how I'd imagine a "racially accurate Gil" would. (As well as being significantly less of an asshole)

Ramesses is basically also dark-skinned DIO, black bodysuit and yellow jacket-thing included, while also being less of an asshole.

I didn't really know how she came to be this way, but it does not matter that much, since it won't change the result.

She is, like, really viscerally repulsive to look at. The thirst for forbidden money of perverts that this predatory jailbait seethes with practically condenses inside the phone, and leaves my screen all foggy.

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To be clear: It's the fanservice looks of the absolute worst kind that do it. At least Jack has a rag to put all over herself.