who=" Anthony MN"Wow. Yeah, he said essentially the same thing you said, like it was singing to his ears. The BIG difference between you and the pope is that YOU came on here stirring up trouble by mocking him when you were wrong in what you were mocking him about.You still won't admit it. You're one of the more stubborn bigots I've ever come across. But you have no problem with bigotry as long as its directed at the Catholic Church. Kay, you talk a good game, but your heart is far from God.**********Bigot? You Catholics certainly are nasty. My Protestant parents, ministers and teachers told me that Jesus leads us to holiness speaking.I DID write that I was mistaken on that verse...but of course you didn't see that one...KayMarie

Bigot

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You didn't just make a mistake about the verse, your hatred and disdain for the pope and the Catholic Church was the reason you posted the insult of the pope to begin with. And it was out of ignorance that you didn't know what the verse was.

And still even now, you obstinately refuse to acknowledge the motivation for your post. Yes Kay, you are an ignorant bigot. And it is not a Christian attribute. You talk the talk, but your behavior is shameful.

The bread and wine do not turn into the literal body and blood of Christ. Catholics oftern say thier view is supported by Luke 22: 19,20, where Jesus told the disciples that the bread and wine are His body and blood.BUT notice that Jesus was 'physically present' with them when He said this. OBVIOUSLY He intended His words to be taken figuratively. Jesus often used figurative language. In fact, at the end of His upper-room discourse, He acknowledged this: "These things I have spoken to you in 'figurative language'(John 16:25. This is consistant with His intended meaning of the Lord's supper: "do this in rememberance of Me" Luke 22:19. Jesus came to earth and took on human flesh. That human flesh is not omnipresent. When Jesus walked this earth as a man He was subject to the limits of physical flesh.As theologian Millard Erickson notes, "To believe that Jesus was two places at once is something of a denial of the incarnation, whih limited His physical human nature to one location."

<quoted text>Since god only gave us the bible and the bible is flawed, I guess we have to wait to the end to see who and what is right.For me, I am going to try to be the best person that I can and not worry about some supernatural being who required animals to be burnt for his forgiveness or who allowed slaves; and owner of slave to kill slaves.

And you will die as you have lived having never fulfilled the very purpose for which you were created. How tragic. But it is not too late BS. Why not just try HIM and see if He is true? Fall on your knees and look into His face of compassion and mercy. Invite Him into yor heart and see what changes He will bring.

who="Aviela" Jehovah and Jesus are 2 separate beings. Jehovah is the alpha and omega. No one has seen him and lived. Jesus is his son. Just like the angels are called sons of God.**********Do you believe that satan is brother to Jesus?Until we know everything, we cannot explain God. But Jesus is not 'just another' anything. God gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.Best to just take what the Bible has to say about it, until we see Him.KayMarie

who="preston" another accusation{dictator communist{ that you have no proof to verify that statement.do you and your husband realize how stupid that you two really are?Obama was born without a'golden spoon" in his mouth like the mormon was, and he achieved the American Dream, going all the way to the White House, and for that reason,people should show him that much more respect, unlike your local chapter of the KKK, which is probably the only group that your old man could minister your peculiar brand of hatred**********I have lots of proof...and his skin color has nothing to do with that proof.Except on his side, for he hates all those old rich white men. Guess that hits you, huh?KayMarie

lets see some of the "proof" that you supposely have about President Obama being a communist. I am certain that it would have come for the National enquirer, which would be your speed.

and I am not rich, nor do I pretend to be. Bob seger would consider me UMC.lol

who="Clay"Aviela, the Bible is not to be read like that. You guys zig zag across the Holy Book like its a secret hidden code.And you must agree, anyone can read those verses and see whatever they wanna see.So then it comes down to who is the authority.If its the Jehovah's Witness, then why? How come you guys didn't appear until a hundred yrs ago?Why did God let something as important as the Ministry of Jesus Christ, get completely messed up for 1,800 + yrs?**********The CC fought for years to keep the truth down...people tried to preach it, and died for their effort. Martin Luther decided to post it publicly, and the printing press made it possible to get the truth to the people.Truth pressed to earth will (did) rise again...KayMarie

More slander and unfounded accusation. Tell us Kay, who were these people that were trying to 'preach it'? What do you have to prove your statement here? Or is it just the nature of bigots to throw out unprovable trash talk?

who="preston"]****** ***hey KM, these dont show on the screenunless you put them on there.so why did you lie last night when asked why they appear on your posts only.**********I didn't lie at all, Preston. You did not explain what you were talking about.********** these show up because I want to separate my comments from the one to whom I am responding.KM

uh? you dont need them.

everyone but you has to know that you hit reply and then make your reply after the word "quote".lol.

<quoted text>Oops! I almost forgot!********** < btw, I cannot believe that you would lie about such a stupid thing! LOL! You must be one hell of a person!That is precisely what my point is! How many sins, that you forget to ask forgiveness for, will god allow? Or is it just believers go to heaven and non-believers don't?

Some go to heaven the rest will have the ressurection hope here on earth. Its not true that all who die go to heaven.

who=" Anthony MN"Wow. Yeah, he said essentially the same thing you said, like it was singing to his ears. The BIG difference between you and the pope is that YOU came on here stirring up trouble by mocking him when you were wrong in what you were mocking him about.You still won't admit it. You're one of the more stubborn bigots I've ever come across. But you have no problem with bigotry as long as its directed at the Catholic Church. Kay, you talk a good game, but your heart is far from God.**********Bigot? You Catholics certainly are nasty. My Protestant parents, ministers and teachers told me that Jesus leads us to holiness speaking.I DID write that I was mistaken on that verse...but of course you didn't see that one...KayMarie

<quoted text>Why were you miserable and lonely? Do you think that every Atheists is miserable and lonely? Maybe you think most of us are just too stupid to realize how miserable and lonely we are.When I attended church, the feeling that if I forgot to ask for forgiveness for one sin, god would send me to hell to be tortured forever, was a pretty miserable feeling!

No, I don't think everyone who does not know Christ is miserable. But I do think you are lonely and empty and unfulfilled. That is the way Christ created us. We are created with a 'void' that only He can fill. Sounds as though you were in a church that did not understand the GOSPEL and the mercy and forgiveness of Christ. That is too bad. I can certainly understand why that would give you a bad taste for C hristianity. But what you must come to grips with is that that the 'feeling' you got(whether this is what the church taught or not) is not consistant with the scriptures. So it would be an unfortunate choice to reject Christ and Heaven because of a "feeling you got".

The bread and wine do not turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.Catholics oftern say thier view is supported by Luke 22: 19,20, where Jesus told the disciples that the bread and wine are His body and blood.BUT notice that Jesus was 'physically present' with them when He said this. OBVIOUSLY He intended His words to be taken figuratively.Jesus often used figurative language. In fact, at the end of His upper-room discourse, He acknowledged this: "These things I have spoken to you in 'figurative language'(John 16:25. This is consistant with His intended meaning of the Lord's supper: "do this in rememberance of Me" Luke 22:19.Jesus came to earth and took on human flesh. That human flesh is not omnipresent. When Jesus walked this earth as a man He was subject to the limits of physical flesh.As theologian Millard Erickson notes, "To believe that Jesus was two places at once is something of a denial of the incarnation, whih limited His physical human nature to one location."

who="Aviela" Hello Blacksheep. JW do not believe in the trinity. The word trinity is not in the Bible. The trinity belief came from the pagans. You cannot kill God. Jesus is the son of God. The Jews killed Jesus because they said he was a blasphemer calling himself son of God. None in Bible times ever thought he was God.**********So JW's are Jews?KM

The Bible draws attention to the fact that there are Christians who are Jews spiritualy and who make up "the Israel of God.

<quoted text>And you will die as you have lived having never fulfilled the very purpose for which you were created. How tragic. But it is not too late BS. Why not just try HIM and see if He is true? Fall on your knees and look into His face of compassion and mercy. Invite Him into yor heart and see what changes He will bring.

"look into His face"?!?!?

I was brought up in the church. I know, it wasn't the right church. They didn't teach the true gospels. I didn't really give myself to god, I need to try harder.... I've heard all the excuses. It is bs. Pure bs.

The bread and wine do not turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.Catholics oftern say thier view is supported by Luke 22: 19,20, where Jesus told the disciples that the bread and wine are His body and blood.BUT notice that Jesus was 'physically present' with them when He said this. OBVIOUSLY He intended His words to be taken figuratively.."

"And non-Catholic Christians, like yourself, believe is something very close to this in terms of our justification before God through Christ Jesus. For, as St. Paul says in Scripture, "In Christ, we are made into a 'new creation'." Now, clearly, this does not apply to our form – our "physical properties", since we don't look any different; and the world does not see any obvious physical change in a person when he or she becomes a believer in Christ. However, according to the words of Scripture, we know that a metaphysical change HAS taken place – that the former sinner has been re-created in the image and likeness of Jesus, and is now a new creation. Ergo, the metaphysical substance has changed. Truly, wholly, entirely, and substantially. And this is all we believe when it comes to the nature of the Lord's Supper (the Eucharist)."

who=" Anthony MN"Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intoleranceYou didn't just make a mistake about the verse, your hatred and disdain for the pope and the Catholic Church was the reason you posted the insult of the pope to begin with. And it was out of ignorance that you didn't know what the verse was.And still even now, you obstinately refuse to acknowledge the motivation for your post. Yes Kay, you are an ignorant bigot. And it is not a Christian attribute. You talk the talk, but your behavior is shameful.

**********

Self portrait, Anthony? You know NOTHING of what I am. But you announce your wicked imaginations against me with out shame BECAUSE you have to defend the CC. One would think that they are 'god' to you.

<quoted text>lol, I showed her the post that I had made to mrs fraud, the post about mr fraud preaching to the KKK, she laughed.what you call "nasty", we call TRUTH.and unlike you, she would never agree with an idiot like Orville praying for God to kill anyone, since she is a Christian and you are not(and it shows)

Oh grow up preston you know very well I didn't agree to no such thing.Your just keep telling that lie about me . whatever floats your boat.

<quoted text>No, I don't think everyone who does not know Christ is miserable. But I do think you are lonely and empty and unfulfilled.

Well Sigmund, I have been feeling....

4GVN wrote:

That is the way Christ created us. We are created with a 'void' that only He can fill. Sounds as though you were in a church that did not understand the GOSPEL and the mercy and forgiveness of Christ.

Yep, there it is! The ol' "They didn't teach the true gospel", line. Only my sect teaches the true gospel!

BS.

4GVN wrote:

That is too bad. I can certainly understand why that would give you a bad taste for C hristianity.

Reading the bible did it for me. Have you ever read it?

4GVN wrote:

But what you must come to grips with is that that the 'feeling' you got(whether this is what the church taught or not) is not consistant with the scriptures. So it would be an unfortunate choice to reject Christ and Heaven because of a "feeling you got".

Here's the feeling that I got... I was sick to my stomach after I read:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

I was certain that the christian/jewish/muslim god was modern mythology, but after reading that, I could not imagine my parents would believe in such a god! Parents who taught me that slavery was wrong! Parent who taught me that murder was wrong! Parents who taught me to take responsibility for my actions was right! Then to read that!

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