It could actually be amazing in a visual way, say a radical new look? Like a see through PC with neon back lighting. Now THAT would be the ultimate cool, and I could quite happily forgive Seb / RB a boring season and 3rd WCC WDC

Adrian Newey is quite reserved and usually does not speculate about his cars halfway into a season. This speculation however sounds ominous to all their rivals and am sure this definitely has them quaking in their boots. Could this just be a speculation from the great man himself or has he found that magic silver bullet that the Red Bull car doesnt even need!!!

its remains to be seen what Mclaren and Ferrari have in response to this

Blown diffusers aside, the rules are staying essentially the same in 2012 but Newey has “revealed that next year’s RB8 will amaze everyone”, correspondent Heikki Kulta wrote.

“When he was asked what about it is so surprising, he replied that if he revealed that now then it would no longer be a surprise.”

Even team boss Christian Horner apparently knows very little about the 2012 Red Bull.

“So far he (Newey) has only told me that it’s going to be blue,” he joked, according to Die Presse.

Dr Helmut Marko said on the Servus TV channel this week that the 2011 car will feature some new parts in Japan this weekend.

What we learn can be used for the new car in 2012,” said the team advisor. “We want to come back with a clear lead for the first race of the season.”

But before the full focus turns to 2012, Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel need to mathematically conclude their 2011 title triumphs, and Newey insists there is no celebrating yet.

“We still have not won anything,” the Briton said ahead of Suzuka, where Vettel needs only a single point to secure his second drivers’ title.

Horner however insists the team will not be on ‘cruise and collect’ in Japan.

“We are not looking at the one point but the (maximum) 43,” Kleine Zeitung quotes him saying.

As for the future, Horner insists he can live with the constant sniping about Red Bull’s approach to F1 rules and financial agreements.

“We take it as a compliment,” he said. “We have shown that what we have achieved was no fluke.

“Ferrari and McLaren were sworn enemies for twenty years, yet now they are united against us.”

Ahh. I wish journalists and important people like Horner wouldn't use such misleading language. Red Bull Racing is NOT the Renault Works team, it's *kind of like* the works team in that there will be greater technical collaboration with Renault in the integration of their engines into the Redbull car and gearbox packages. If it were the Renault works team the team would be run and funded by Renault, and it is not.

So what, McLaren has never been dubbed as Mercedes' works team, niether Honda nor Peugeot. There was not any reason as to why we should call Red Bull-Renault team as Renault's works team. I believe they are misusing the term "works."

So what, McLaren has never been dubbed as Mercedes' works team, niether Honda nor Peugeot. There was not any reason as to why we should call Red Bull-Renault team as Renault's works team. I believe they are misusing the term "works."

no they are not. Red Bull is mis using the name WORKS if they are to call themselved WORKS Renault team.

This does not exclude a possibility that renault might accept Red Bull racing calling themselves Works renault, tho. If this happens many more times, Renault gets free ads on the fastest car on grid. What it matter is if rd bull pays for Renault Engine to sit on its back and if the specification of those engines are better advanced, higher quality and more aggressive than the rest of Renault team. Some time honda works engine at Suzuka Special was less reliable tho. As a matter of fact, Williams are now viewing themselves Works Renault. Renault will perhaps not deny the fact that there is no WOrks Renault team in 20111 or 2012 grid. Renault is not Paying any of those Formula One team to compete in the FIA championships, so officially there is no works renault team. It i just one of those Christian Horner's day dream... He is trying to differentiate themselves from the rest in order to achieve psychological advantage. That is all there is.

You got any prove that Red Bull have NOT payed the engine bill? Show it here, we will look at it.

KERS fitted in a much less compromised way. Probably have developed to the stage that everything flexes but still stays within the test limits......who knows? I dread to think what next season would be like if the hype is true. But part of me is a little curious about what he can build

Lol. This should be a warning to Ferrari and Mclaren. Adrian is in his zone and so dedicated to the RB8 that he's not attending races. I love the emphasis on the "a completely new car". Given that EDB have been stapling success for the RB6 and RB7, Red Bull will need to seek a new advantage for next year that will acheive high aero grip, particularly at the rear.

"The focus has to start moving towards next year and we've got less than four months to design and build a completely new car," Horner said.

"That's why Adrian elected not to attend this race. He's busy back in the UK focussed on our RB8 (car)."

It's not really a completely new car, I don't see why they'd need to be so revolutionary unless they're actually worried that McLaren and Ferrari will finally put up a proper fight for 2012. So maybe all the hot air (especially from Ferrari) is actually working. Interesting, though.

But ultimately

It will be made entirely of those faster-than-light μ-neutrinos.

I think this thread should be pinned, locked and left with this as the sole comment until the car is released

It's not really a completely new car, I don't see why they'd need to be so revolutionary unless they're actually worried that McLaren and Ferrari will finally put up a proper fight for 2012. So maybe all the hot air (especially from Ferrari) is actually working. Interesting, though.

Double diffusers will be banned and so will EBD. The entire RB7 is design around the EBD and thus an evolutionary approach cannot be taken. The entire design of the car will have to be reconsidered.

I think it will be interesting to see whether the current evolutionary trend of the RB series continues or whether the RB8 turns out to be a direct evolution from the pre-DDD RB5. For a car that didnt have the DDD, it was quite a beast.

The other teams have to hope for a radical regulation change IMO. No reason at all to think that the RB8 will be anything other then the class of the field.. again.

The only thing the other teams can hope for is to bridge the gap and for every year that passes, this is sort of a natural trend anyway. So it can be closer between the teams, as it has been this season but Redbull should stay the team to beat.

RB8 will be the same as the other cars IMO, an evolution with a few new bits added to suit the regulations.

I don't know much about the details, haven't payed much attention this season, just payed attention to the racing (which is a nice comfort to have).. but it's the people within the team that I trust in. Continuity and the leadership of Horner/Newey and co. The whole team has gelled so well in the last few seasons, not just Newey but from Newey all the way down to the mechanics. It's the main way to dominate in all sports but also F1, to have this magic formula and team chemistry. And as long as that stays the same, they will be hard to beat. Until radical new regs come in or the team is broken up.

Couldn't find an appropriate thread and this was the best i could see, but heres a video of a 15yo Christian Horner, sitting in what i think (not sure) is Adrian Newey's Leyton House and being interviewed.

Newey will study Sam's Williams' smallest gear box it says. Smaller box to have enable more rake? With no EBD, more rake will create backward current to recurrent air under the car during the braking so the car will be more jumping around, I bet it will sit lower than what it is now. All is up to how Exhaust will be arranged tho.

Yeah I think Mark handles corner entry better when the rear end is unstable, Vettel is more about smooth entry and scrubbing the minimum amount of speed through the apex

Quite the opposite. It is Mark that struggles more with an unstable rear on corner entry, or perhaps simply, Vettel who deals with it better. Pointy front/loose tail are generally not mutually exclusive as well unless you're a genius on design and setup.

The rake will be less next year i'm sure of it. It only works this year because the EBD acts as a skirt for the diffuser, sealing the air on the side. I'm perhaps a little worried now even that the RB8 will have many traits of the RB5, such as its poor driveability due to the need for a stiffer rear end.

Well every year they make another attempt at closing up the rules to what they wanted the 2009 rules to be with their weak rear aero. First they dropped the double diffuser, now theyre dropping the exhaust blown diffuser. The RB5 was developed with neither of those in mind.

I really want to see them go back to shorter wheelbase cars, but i dont see it happening.