They commonly promote concepts and intuitive things of "the Heart" which have nothing to do with material reality. There is the answer for you regarding "how we can know if they are living out what they preach."

What you call an "accusation" from me is most likely some little defensive transference from yourself. Let's make a deal, here, I will not make ad hominem comments about yourself if you stop making them about me. Sound fair enough in the light of Scripture? Oh wait! As a preacher, you are supposed to show leadership in forgiving all offenses toward yourself and your verbose peers! Correct?

Do you have any proof of the supposed nonedifying effect of my words here? Remember, I will not make personal assumptions and ad hominems about yourself if you can stick to the originsl issue of this thread instead of acting like all words you hear relate to how you feel about the person wtiting them. Lol.

Should "faithful" preachers speak a multitude of words? Yes? No? Is Proverbs 10:19 relevant to preachers, or not?

Remember, I will not make personal assumptions and ad hominems about yourself if you can stick to the originsl issue of this thread instead of acting like all words you hear relate to how you feel about the person wtiting them. Lol.

I don't know you...my objections have nothing to do with you as a person. I am objecting to your insinuation that Pastors talk but don't walk what they talk.

Regarding Proverbs 10:19, when I read some of the other verses in the immediate context, I find that God is condemning the words and actions of the wicked and fools. On the other hand, He says in verse 20 that the tongue of the righteous is choice silver and in verse 21 the tongue of the righteous feeds many. This use of the tongue by the righteous has to take place for the good of those who need learning.

I do not believe God had gospel preachers of the truth in mind with this passage. If He did, then Peter was misusing his tongue in Acts 2:14-36, not to mention the many words used by others in Acts, such as Paul. Words have to be used to share the truth with those who do not know it. Now, of course, nobody here would separate living the truth from speaking it, we just don't want the necessity of preaching and teaching the truth to me treated as contrary to God's will.

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Let me know if you need more help. I am here to minister to your heart.

When I read this and three threads started by you, I got the sense you have an agenda here.

I think most of us joined this board to share and learn from God's word and, basically, to fellowship and get to know others who believe in Christ and trust Him for salvation.

What about you? Have you come here thinking we need ministering from you?

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Do you have any proof of the supposed nonedifying effect of my words here?

Nonedification is the impression I get from your posts. You're words seem more accusatory and admonishing than anything else, as if everybody here is wrong about something and you've come to offer correction. I'm just saying what the impression is from what you have been communicating so far.

They commonly promote concepts and intuitive things of "the Heart" which have nothing to do with material reality. There is the answer for you regarding "how we can know if they are living out what they preach."

What you call an "accusation" from me is most likely some little defensive transference from yourself. Let's make a deal, here, I will not make ad hominem comments about yourself if you stop making them about me. Sound fair enough in the light of Scripture? Oh wait! As a preacher, you are supposed to show leadership in forgiving all offenses toward yourself and your verbose peers! Correct?

I know a man a minister of God who has a crippled arm by an accident.Is he not to preach that God heals because his arm is not?The Word of God is not to be brought down to our own experience but to be lifted up so that all men may bring their experience into conformity with the Word of God.A faithful preacher must allow the Word of God free course in him as he would wish it in his hearers.For he cannot teach what he has not learnt himself .Nor can he comfort others if he ahs not received any himself.

I know of a church that had not a pastor for 10 years .Yet when they found a man of God and asked him to be their pastor and he began to preach . When they had considered he had gone on too long many or some began to look at their watches .There came a time when men got up and began to stack the chairs as he was preaching longer than they perceived he should.He resigned and true it was as one member of that congregation said "it was not Gods will"But clearly the 'majority' of that congregation did not want Gods will but theirs to be done .It is very doubtful they will ever get a man of God again to be their pastor unless the repented (but then still not certain) Though they may get a hireling who will do what the piper pays them.

There is a famine of the Word of God despite the great flood of printed materials and Bibles and study helps etc.I think there is such a famine is because the church has not honoured even what it had .and so the Lord has caused such a famine that in some at least there will be created a hunger for the Word of God that will not accept any substitutes nor anything other than the reality of Gods presence and the pure undiluted preaching of the Word of God .

In the main its still not getting it .Indeed while the church is 'celebrating' and screaming and jumping up and down and listening to half baked Christians and charalatans and self proffesing apostles and prophest performing on stage .saying "We are rich increased with goods and in need of nothing ............................"The Lord is OUTSIDE the church knocking on the door.That message is not for the world .But listen to what the Spirit says to the churches . "Behold I stand at the door and knock ........................"This is a very grave matter when you consider that after the resurrection no closed or locked door was an obstical to Him or one that hindered Him if he desired to enter .But to the door of His own church he is knocking so that he might enter .Not only is the church not perceiving he is OUTSIDE when they think he is inside . But by the Lords own words most do not even hear him knocking!For while the knocking on the door is the CALL for all inside to repent . The promise however is to "those who have ears to hear and open the door " "To THEM...........................WILL I AND THE FATHER ......................"

Ecc 5:2 Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God, for God is in heaven and you are on earth. Therefore let your words be few.

For sure we should rein in our tongue for no man can tame it.

Jas 3:7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, Jas 3:8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

As Jesus only spoke what he heard his father say, maybe we should follow his example, and only speak what the Holy Spirit speaks through us. Since God created the Heavens and earth by his spoken Word, I would say words are extremely important.

Mat 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, Mat 12:37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."