On the Rock charts, It lost out to Nicklebacks ' Feed the Machine' #2 debut, but beat Cheap Tricks' We're All Right!' debut #12.

Not bad at all for a band thats been around and charting for 50 years ( 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's 2010's.....)!!!! GREAT job Styx, GREAT album!!!!!!

That's actually disappointing. With all that marketing, the advanced copies, the huge promotional thrust, the CD/LP packages, I would have thought it would have been in top 30 at least. For comparison, Buckingham/McVie debuted at #17.

This is very old....It doesn't have the CYO concert, or the GI/Po8 concert.

Fact Finder wrote:

masque wrote:i think i read somewhere that big bang was somewhere between 35k-50k.

If this is accurate so are you.

The Chicago based band, Styx dominated the charts during the mid seventies to late eighties. They had a series of muliplatinum albums and top ten hits. They continue to tour today, frequently with arch allies REO Speedwagon.

Nickelback have scored their seventh straight top ten album with the number five debut of Feed the Machine.

While the band's first two albums didn't crack the top 100, they have since amassed a sixteen year run of albums none of which have charted lower than number 6.Silver Side Up (2001 / #2)The Long Road (2003 / #6)All the Right Reasons (2005 / #1)Dark Horse (2008 / #2)Here and Now (2011 / #2)No Fixed Address (2014 / #4)Feed the Machine (2017 / #5)The new album also tops the Hard Rock Albums chart and debuted at number 3 last Friday in Britain.

Big Boi's third solo album, Boomiverse, debuts at 28, just slightly better than his 2012 set Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors which peaked at 34. His 2010 solo debut, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty, went to number 3.

The rapper, of course, had greater success as one-half of Outkast with Andre 3000 who had four straight top 2 albums between 1996 and 2003.

Styx are back with their first new studio album in twelve years, The Mission. This week, the LP debuts at 45, on spot higher than 2005's Big Bang Theory. The Mission actually gives the band their best chart position 34 years, since Kilroy Was Here went to 3 in 1983.

On the other hand, Cheap Trick's new album, We're All Alright!, opens at 63, thirty-two spots lower than their last set.

Nickelback have scored their seventh straight top ten album with the number five debut of Feed the Machine.

While the band's first two albums didn't crack the top 100, they have since amassed a sixteen year run of albums none of which have charted lower than number 6.Silver Side Up (2001 / #2)The Long Road (2003 / #6)All the Right Reasons (2005 / #1)Dark Horse (2008 / #2)Here and Now (2011 / #2)No Fixed Address (2014 / #4)Feed the Machine (2017 / #5)The new album also tops the Hard Rock Albums chart and debuted at number 3 last Friday in Britain.

Big Boi's third solo album, Boomiverse, debuts at 28, just slightly better than his 2012 set Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors which peaked at 34. His 2010 solo debut, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty, went to number 3.

The rapper, of course, had greater success as one-half of Outkast with Andre 3000 who had four straight top 2 albums between 1996 and 2003.

Styx are back with their first new studio album in twelve years, The Mission. This week, the LP debuts at 45, on spot higher than 2005's Big Bang Theory. The Mission actually gives the band their best chart position 34 years, since Kilroy Was Here went to 3 in 1983.

On the other hand, Cheap Trick's new album, We're All Alright!, opens at 63, thirty-two spots lower than their last set.

Let's see where it is next week. Also, charts are very different in terms of how they are constructed. Back in 70s 80s and even 90s, albums had a slow rise to the chart (it might take a few weeks or even months for an album to reach its peak) and then stayed around on the chart (If they were fed singles and kept momentum). Now, given technology, it is almost immediate. This is why Brusco (asshole, but brilliant marketer) had all the marketing out there to pre-order. All pre-orders count in the first week sales. His goal - maximize the chart position in the first week, get some press, and then maybe a station will start playing Gone Gone Gone because of the popularity of the album. I doubt that will happen here.

Edge of The Century never had that big blast off moment of getting into the top 40 albums but stuck around in the 60s and 70s for months based upon the strength of SMTW and then the mid chart success of LAFS. It managed to keep that moderate chart position long enough to achieve Gold record status. Kind of the slow burn type of sales for that one. So while it never had that high peak, it chug along at a reasonable pace.

The problem with The Mission is that they have to keep the momentum up. That is usually done with singles. Nothing has achieved airplay yet. Look at what happened to Buckingham/McVie - #17 last week in its debut and this week....down to #95. Next week will likely be 150 or below or even off the chart.

That's why, as much as it would have pained these guys to do so since they can't acknowledge that Styx were successful beyond 1978, they might have considered a radio friendly mid tempo or ballad song on The Mission to release to at least have the potential for some airplay. Nothing on the LP, while some good music (still writing my review) has any remote chance of breaking through into the mainstream.

masque wrote:i think i read somewhere that big bang was somewhere between 35k-50k.

If this is accurate so are you.

The Chicago based band, Styx dominated the charts during the mid seventies to late eighties. They had a series of muliplatinum albums and top ten hits. They continue to tour today, frequently with arch allies REO Speedwagon.

This is way out of date and RIAA certifications aren't very accurate. First, RIAA has stopped acknowledging anything with Styx (and many older acs) and A&M hasn't pushed certification (while acknowledge more sold - just means writing more checks to the artist).

Here's what we do know that is not hereCornerstone is definitely 3X platinumCornerstone - biggest worldwide seller and achieved overseas certifications in much of EuropeParadise and GI have sold at least 4X if not 5XKilroy achieved 2X platinumGH achieved 3X platinumEquinox was getting close to being platinum

Toph wrote:That's why, as much as it would have pained these guys to do so since they can't acknowledge that Styx were successful beyond 1978, they might have considered a radio friendly mid tempo or ballad song on The Mission to release to at least have the potential for some airplay.

But doesn't that then say that it's all about sales and not about making a great piece of art? Good on ANY band that sticks to what they want to be creating rather than what someone tells them they need to create to get a hit. That whole "I don't hear a single" business is such a ridiculous notion not to mention subjective as hell. The record business isn't what it was whatsoever and for people to keep thinking singles are the way to go... I dunno if I see the logic in that. Pink Floyd never had a number 1 single and they did ok. Same with Zep. Same with so many others. I do like that Styx has always been an 'album' band that had singles that did well. As opposed to the opposite (a band that made singles and got lucky with their albums).

I do think the band should keep making videos. It's something that fans can share to spread the word. AND it wouldn't be that difficult. Take a bunch of fan videos from Youtube. Splice them together to look like a multi-camera shoot. Slap the original recording over it and go. OR just get a great multicam live take from any show. I saw a clip of "Radio Silence" a few days ago that was really great. Not good enough for an "official" video due to the camera angles, but still definitely worth sharing, in fact there are THREE videos on youtube from this same performance at the Greek, here's one: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fFKIg2BsM). Grab each one, spliced together, lay the studio track over it and go.

I'm just glad there's new original music from the band and it's nice to see Styx (for once) do something that gets high praise from critics.

If we are thinking that Styx will somehow have a number 1 release, or if they don't then they must suck is just ludicrous. Nobody from 'our' era is going to have those kinds of sales.

Nickelback have scored their seventh straight top ten album with the number five debut of Feed the Machine.

While the band's first two albums didn't crack the top 100, they have since amassed a sixteen year run of albums none of which have charted lower than number 6.Silver Side Up (2001 / #2)The Long Road (2003 / #6)All the Right Reasons (2005 / #1)Dark Horse (2008 / #2)Here and Now (2011 / #2)No Fixed Address (2014 / #4)Feed the Machine (2017 / #5)The new album also tops the Hard Rock Albums chart and debuted at number 3 last Friday in Britain.

Big Boi's third solo album, Boomiverse, debuts at 28, just slightly better than his 2012 set Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors which peaked at 34. His 2010 solo debut, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty, went to number 3.

The rapper, of course, had greater success as one-half of Outkast with Andre 3000 who had four straight top 2 albums between 1996 and 2003.

Styx are back with their first new studio album in twelve years, The Mission. This week, the LP debuts at 45, on spot higher than 2005's Big Bang Theory. The Mission actually gives the band their best chart position 34 years, since Kilroy Was Here went to 3 in 1983.

On the other hand, Cheap Trick's new album, We're All Alright!, opens at 63, thirty-two spots lower than their last set.

Let's see where it is next week. Also, charts are very different in terms of how they are constructed. Back in 70s 80s and even 90s, albums had a slow rise to the chart (it might take a few weeks or even months for an album to reach its peak) and then stayed around on the chart (If they were fed singles and kept momentum). Now, given technology, it is almost immediate. This is why Brusco (asshole, but brilliant marketer) had all the marketing out there to pre-order. All pre-orders count in the first week sales. His goal - maximize the chart position in the first week, get some press, and then maybe a station will start playing Gone Gone Gone because of the popularity of the album. I doubt that will happen here.

Edge of The Century never had that big blast off moment of getting into the top 40 albums but stuck around in the 60s and 70s for months based upon the strength of SMTW and then the mid chart success of LAFS. It managed to keep that moderate chart position long enough to achieve Gold record status. Kind of the slow burn type of sales for that one. So while it never had that high peak, it chug along at a reasonable pace.

The problem with The Mission is that they have to keep the momentum up. That is usually done with singles. Nothing has achieved airplay yet. Look at what happened to Buckingham/McVie - #17 last week in its debut and this week....down to #95. Next week will likely be 150 or below or even off the chart.

That's why, as much as it would have pained these guys to do so since they can't acknowledge that Styx were successful beyond 1978, they might have considered a radio friendly mid tempo or ballad song on The Mission to release to at least have the potential for some airplay. Nothing on the LP, while some good music (still writing my review) has any remote chance of breaking through into the mainstream.

All good points. Based on all the changes over the years in the business, maybe they should consider changing the number of sales needed to achieve a gold record.

Nickelback have scored their seventh straight top ten album with the number five debut of Feed the Machine.

While the band's first two albums didn't crack the top 100, they have since amassed a sixteen year run of albums none of which have charted lower than number 6.Silver Side Up (2001 / #2)The Long Road (2003 / #6)All the Right Reasons (2005 / #1)Dark Horse (2008 / #2)Here and Now (2011 / #2)No Fixed Address (2014 / #4)Feed the Machine (2017 / #5)The new album also tops the Hard Rock Albums chart and debuted at number 3 last Friday in Britain.

Big Boi's third solo album, Boomiverse, debuts at 28, just slightly better than his 2012 set Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors which peaked at 34. His 2010 solo debut, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty, went to number 3.

The rapper, of course, had greater success as one-half of Outkast with Andre 3000 who had four straight top 2 albums between 1996 and 2003.

Styx are back with their first new studio album in twelve years, The Mission. This week, the LP debuts at 45, on spot higher than 2005's Big Bang Theory. The Mission actually gives the band their best chart position 34 years, since Kilroy Was Here went to 3 in 1983.

On the other hand, Cheap Trick's new album, We're All Alright!, opens at 63, thirty-two spots lower than their last set.

Let's see where it is next week. Also, charts are very different in terms of how they are constructed. Back in 70s 80s and even 90s, albums had a slow rise to the chart (it might take a few weeks or even months for an album to reach its peak) and then stayed around on the chart (If they were fed singles and kept momentum). Now, given technology, it is almost immediate. This is why Brusco (asshole, but brilliant marketer) had all the marketing out there to pre-order. All pre-orders count in the first week sales. His goal - maximize the chart position in the first week, get some press, and then maybe a station will start playing Gone Gone Gone because of the popularity of the album. I doubt that will happen here.

Edge of The Century never had that big blast off moment of getting into the top 40 albums but stuck around in the 60s and 70s for months based upon the strength of SMTW and then the mid chart success of LAFS. It managed to keep that moderate chart position long enough to achieve Gold record status. Kind of the slow burn type of sales for that one. So while it never had that high peak, it chug along at a reasonable pace.

The problem with The Mission is that they have to keep the momentum up. That is usually done with singles. Nothing has achieved airplay yet. Look at what happened to Buckingham/McVie - #17 last week in its debut and this week....down to #95. Next week will likely be 150 or below or even off the chart.

That's why, as much as it would have pained these guys to do so since they can't acknowledge that Styx were successful beyond 1978, they might have considered a radio friendly mid tempo or ballad song on The Mission to release to at least have the potential for some airplay. Nothing on the LP, while some good music (still writing my review) has any remote chance of breaking through into the mainstream.

All good points. Based on all the changes over the years in the business, maybe they should consider changing the number of sales needed to achieve a gold record.

They have in Canada.. as of a few years ago, Gold is 40,000 Copies, Platinum is 80,000 copies sold.

brywool wrote:I wonder if the band is selling the CD at their shows (I'd think so) and if so, do those numbers get tossed into the tally? (I would doubt it)

I guess that would depend on how they count albums as sold. If they go by actual purchases by customers at retail, then I would say no. But if they base the sales on the number of copies ordered and shipped by distribution then I would say yes.

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That is under digital music. I wouldn't expect Styx to sell a lot of digital copies.

In CD/Vinyl they are still at #32

They are at 33 on amazon overall sales. And at 50 on daily double sales chart which is great for them on week 2.

Where are they on Billboard? I agree that this isn't too bad for Amazon, but I have always felt Amazon charts are a bit sketchy anyway...If they stay in the top 100 on Billboard, that will be good news.

Daily Double (sales chart) had them at 23 for the first week. Week 2 has them at 44. Based on that they, should drop to between 75 and 95 on the Billboard chart for week 2. That is just a guess. We'll see on Wednesday. They are at 92 on the iTunes rock chart now which is up over 50 spots in the past few days. At 30 on amazon's overall chart. Sunday 8pm central time.

First of all, I don't care as much as you do where the CD charts. It's a good CD regardless.

But, you are posting misleading information. When you are on your chart, all you have to do is look to the left and see the tree of how you got there. It is under DIGITAL MUSIC. The "Paid" means that it only ranks people who paid to download the album...some albums are available on digital for free for PRIME Members.

You know the truth...so please quit lying to people and misrepresenting things.

I agree that they will still be in the top 100 for Billboarrd...they have hardly dropped on Amazon That's pretty good!