I am a little past 4 months of a 6 month Lupron program. First 2 months, minor SE. Next 2 months, noticable muscle loss. Planning a few fairly ambitious biking and hiking trips this spring/summer. Would like to get back to where I was physically before the ADT and RT started in September before heading out for a 2 month trip.

What was your own personal experience on time it took after ADT for your muscles to start rebuilding?

As soon as you build it with exercise. No exercise no muscle....ADT or not.

Once the ADT wears off, usually 12-18 months after your last shot, the T levels will return to normal range and it should be easier to lose weight and regain more energy to help. Don't wait till then to exercise. Start now.PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.Eligard and Jalyn started on 10-7-2010. IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy December 6 and 13, 2010.PSA < .1 since February 2011. Located in Cumming Georgia north of Atlanta

J NF,12 to 18 months after ADT before testosterone levels start getting back to normal. I hope that in my case, it will be shorter. Good advice about exercise. Problem is, for me, 5-6 days a week since November 1, of rigorous cross country skiing and I am getting weaker and losing muscle mass. Thanks for the info.

The ADT has a half life of about six months and as long as it is still 10-20% it can suppress T. Some come back sooner, some not. Two negative factors generally associated with T recovery are age and the time on ADT. Older age and/or more time on ADT can slow T recovery. Looks like only 6 months on ADT so I hope your T comes back quickly.

Looks like your last Lupron shot was in September so it is full force through March 2019. Then it will start metabolizing out of the body by a six month half life process. That is why many men take 12-18 months to see their T start to move up. Once it starts moving, it usually moves quite quickly back into the normal range.PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.Eligard and Jalyn started on 10-7-2010. IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy December 6 and 13, 2010.PSA < .1 since February 2011. Located in Cumming Georgia north of Atlanta

you are getting good cardio...you need more strength tng..you will not admit that,,I can "tell"...yes I know the rigors of cc tng...and yours is not rigorous enough...obviously...women on hormones and one sphincter thrive...get a personal trainer at a good gym...do not befriend the PT...just make the PT Make you...check with doctor before increasing exercise...I see folks at the gym...make the motions...wear the "suits"...shake their magic potions...till kingdom come...with no change...folks who are in their fifties who pretend..waiting to get old so they can stop...Is this you?...you tell me...and don't get mad at me...Im logo...not pogo...I know whence I speak...btw I love honest and frank correction...so fire away...or ignore PS JNF's first sentence in his response...was spot on...then...he weakened a bit...and started the conversation with you...going...going...which does not weaken that first sentence...it screamsgleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...

Last 3 month shot was Dec.!5th. I will be turning 70 in April so I am not getting any younger.

logoslidat,

Last time I went to the gym was probably 40 years ago. I am an outside guy. I am sure resistance training in a gym is good for your muscles. My wife is the trained athlete at 65. She lifts the weights.Very few 20 year olds can keep up to her in CC skiing as she competes and wins in her age category on the world level. I could not be mad at you because I think you are really concerned about your fellow man and would like to help in your own way so I appreciate any input.

Just for the record, if you read our blog, last spring at 69, hiking 28 miles rim to river to rim, with 6000' vertical called the North Kaibab trail, Grand Canyon NP is just one of the many many long distance hikes we were on during the spring/ summer time. The reason I started this thread regarding loss of muscle mass is because every 2 years, my wife and I go cycle touring for 1 to 2 months in the summer with all of our gear,(85lbs per bike) over some of the major passes in the Alps, Dolomites and Pyrenees. 3600km and 40,000M vertical is fairly common. If I cant recover near normal muscle mass, there isn't a lot of reason planning the trip.

The rule of thumb is it takes a long for you to get back to (your' new) normal as you were on leuprolide. Like 2 & 1/2 years on, then 2 & 1/2 years later you are as recovered as you will get. Some side effects don't go away.

Good info for sure especially about the heart. I have read some of your posts and I think we have a lot in common. I am hopeing, like you have said, that being in good physical shape will help in our journey with PC. The RP surgery was not a big deal as was the RT but this Lupron although it hasn't bothered me mentally has whittled me down in strength and endurance.

slapshot...a gracious reply...thank you...You might consider doing some strength training...it really is the best way to build muscle mass...you sound like a self motivated kind man...I suggested a personal trainer...but a good one is difficult to find...you could google proper form for various type strength type exercise...that would not require a gym...tho you might like a few hours at a gym...just do more training than socializing...tho both can work...you want intensity of movement...and attention to the big muscles..thighs.. core...etc...I get frustrated with gyms and need breaks from them...just like the forum...we are a funny species...but as the guy said when asked why he robbed banks..." cause that is where the money is " either way...a quote from Joseph Campbell…" follow your bliss"...like love ' it covers a multitude of "sins" '...logo like pogo are sooo grateful for dat one...know what I mean jelly bean...gleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...

A new societal reality is that we are witnessing people that have trans-gendered from men to women and that are now competing in sports and athletics as such. Many I have seen have very well defined and significant massive muscle mass. In order to depress the natural testosterone, many use some of the same anti-androgen drugs we use to suppress PCa by limiting testosterone. They demonstrate that even in the absence of testosterone that muscle mass and fitness can be developed.PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.Eligard and Jalyn started on 10-7-2010. IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy December 6 and 13, 2010.PSA < .1 since February 2011. Located in Cumming Georgia north of Atlanta

Good point JNF...better made...with good intent...when it is a female to male...I mean if you think about it...let it ride folks..let it ride...check out any of my quotes above...so as to soothe...not seethegleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...

" It has functions in almost all physical activity. It's what supports muscle, strength, and energy. Without it, you would not be able to function or work in the gym for any length of time or level of intensity."

I am assuming, that ADT is supposed to suppress your testosterone to near nothing as a way of stopping/slowing your PC.

Logo,

Wish I could follow your advise and pump iron in a sweat shop, but our home borders on a hilly Provincial Park of 8000 acres which is where my tread mill training begins. That is when there is no snow. Winter, it is 6 days a week of skiing in one form or another. World cup cross country men and women do not look like "Arnie" although weight training is a big part of their life. You can look it up but these athletes are considered the most fit of all athletes. I am lucky that I don't live in a city with few outdoor activity options.

I may whine about my muscle power and endurance deteriorating under ADT, but trailguy has it right, a strong heart, is the most important organ in your body for a long and active life.

trudat slapshot...trudat...and I agree...cc skiing is one of the...if not The best cardio out there...stay strong and yes the heart/lung machine is a "thing of beauty...a joy to behold"gleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...

Heh - just getting set to go out with my Lovely Lady Labrador Retriever for our daily 7 miles. Today, it is on glare ice with a layer of fresh powder to hide the really bad spots. 15* F The 'emergency' treadmill is in the front room with a nice view of the yard.

My favorite provincial park is Lake Superior Provincial Park, near Wawa, ON. We spend a week and 1/2 tent camping in the deep bush there every year, 6 hour daily hikes followed by a nice swim in Mother Superior.

My PSA doubling time went from 6.5 months last Oct to 26 months this Jan. The docs say that this is very uncommon, but happens with men who are over-the-top health and exercise nuts. I credited rum and grilled steak.

"The top 20% healthiest persons in a given age group are 40% less likely to die from all causes at any given time."

trailguy said...My PSA doubling time went from 6.5 months last Oct to 26 months this Jan. The docs say that this is very uncommon, but happens with men who are over-the-top health and exercise nuts.

Now, that is outstanding! Did you get the feeling they were just trying to be encouraging, or that they really have evidence around that topic? At my age, I think I am in the best shape of my life, at the Y for elliptical or yoga class, or in my home weight room practically every day. It would be an incentive to know it can also slow the beast down.

One of our favorite memories is camping in Rocky Mountain National Park when the elk were bugling and the cold wind sometimes whipping through the tent. Bracing! Our Black Lab/Newfoundland just loved it, too. Crazy dog loved the cold mountain streams. Guess it's the breed.

Here's a Cuba Libre to you! I prefer mine w/o the lime juice, but with a nice steak would be great...

Yeah, I asked the lead doc if there were other cases lake mine. He said the clinic had had just a few over the years, and they were all health nuts like me. They don't know for sure exactly what or why, but lots of exercise and a decent lifestyle sometimes help.