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Re: That Winter, The Wind Blows

Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

Soo is someone who carried the trauma of being abandoned by his mother all his life. It made him unable to love and also appreciate the people around him. The only person who was able to break that "shell" he was in was his past girlfriend. Even if he never understood why she loved him so much, he still appreciated and loved her with all his heart. Over time, she probably could have healed his trauma but then came the pregnancy which brought up his trauma, all his insecurities about his past and so forth, thus he panicked of course. As a 19 year old boy who was never educated, taught or brought up properly, he did not know anything else than run away from the situation. Unfortunately, he was very unlucky, indirectly causing her death. After that, he was forced into being the "trash" and the bad guy by his environment. The little sister who constantly nags him, the gangster who blames him and so forth forced him into being what he is. Being stamped as the bad guy, he was never allowed to properly grief, feel guilty or regret, thus he was also never able to overcome her death. He accepted his role as "trash" and as the bad guy, not only because everyone thinks that but he himself thinks that about himself.

I completely agree.

Soo and the rest of the characters are lonely people. Those who sincerely stands with them somehow goes away, and it makes them scared very much, thus living life with a cold mask. What Young said about "they do not need forgiveness, but consolation" more or less sums it up. I find it simple but sad and touching at the same time too, reminding them how lonely they actually are. And yet when they find each other like this they manage to let go some of those feelings slowly but surely.

At the moment I feel bad for Jin Sung and Hee Sun. There's no greater pain for Jin Sung to see Hee Sun running after Soo (he may as well turn into Moo Chul junior as story goes by, I'm afraid). And it's also painful for Hee Sun to love a man who killed her sister but she can't stop her feelings.

I don't understand myself why episode 8 made me cry quite much. Maybe because I feel the tense, the climax is coming, Soo talking and doing that since he only has 31 days left, and Young is getting even more sick? But that preview is again very, very interesting. I so can't wait for the next episode. T_T

Everything's tangled into one, so confusing. Top #1 curiosity per today will be Moo Chul.

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Just watched the latest episode, i guess it was full of "fan service". The plot did not really thicken in this chapter, it was hinted just like you said phio, especially with Soo´s voice-over and him admitting that he will be extremely hurt by this facade.
Everyone seems to dislike or even hate Moo Chul but i like his character. His actions do make sense to me, considering what he lost and that he will die soon.

Re: That Winter, The Wind Blows

Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

Everyone seems to dislike or even hate Moo Chul but i like his character. His actions do make sense to me, considering what he lost and that he will die soon.

I don't really dislike him, though not particularly in love with him either. As you said, his actions make sense. His feelings, being devastated, his hatred, it makes sense and feels real. I have to say that the introduction to him being sick and this new character named Sun Hee (what kind of pun is this, we have another role named Hee Sun) was unclear and sudden. I believe we will get to see more in the future so I'll wait patiently for that. XD

I read reviews/recaps from other websites and how viewers were rather uncomfortable with the closeness of Soo and Young as siblings. I'm not sure myself since I don't have an elder brother, but if they're the only ones they have for each other, who they trust, to be a bit closer than usual isn't very surprising, no? Especially since Young is blind so all she can do is touch to know more about her brother.

Re: That Winter, The Wind Blows

Originally Posted by phio_chan

I don't really dislike him, though not particularly in love with him either. As you said, his actions make sense. His feelings, being devastated, his hatred, it makes sense and feels real. I have to say that the introduction to him being sick and this new character named Sun Hee (what kind of pun is this, we have another role named Hee Sun) was unclear and sudden. I believe we will get to see more in the future so I'll wait patiently for that. XD

I read reviews/recaps from other websites and how viewers were rather uncomfortable with the closeness of Soo and Young as siblings. I'm not sure myself since I don't have an elder brother, but if they're the only ones they have for each other, who they trust, to be a bit closer than usual isn't very surprising, no? Especially since Young is blind so all she can do is touch to know more about her brother.

You are right that the introduction was sudden but it makes sense to be honest. Moo Chul is dying but before he dies, he wants to enjoy tormenting Oh Soo as much as he can. Furthermore, i don´t mind the introduction of the nuna Sun Hee since Moo Chul and Oh Soo have a long history, possibly starting in the orphanage.

That is a tough nut to crack. To tell you the truth, i do think that it is a bit awkward, considering that they are both adults. While kissing on the cheek is pretty normal in my culture, sleeping together, hugging from behind and so forth are things that a couple do, and not siblings, unless of course they have a space problem in the house. On the other hand, i do think that it makes sense. Oh Soo does not love her as a sibling but as a woman while Young has never felt any warmth and love since her childhood. She pretty much stayed a child mentally. Furthermore, it has actually been addressed in the drama itself. Secretary Wang was furious after learning that they have slept together in one bed while Oh Soo informed Young that even though she is his sibling, he also is still a man. So, i don´t really have a problem with that. I don´t think that it is because of her blindness though. Of course there are scenes that can be explained with that (for example her wanting to know how he looks, so she touches his face and so forth) but the hugging around, sleeping together don´t really have anything to do with that.

Re: That Winter, The Wind Blows

Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

You are right that the introduction was sudden but it makes sense to be honest. Moo Chul is dying but before he dies, he wants to enjoy tormenting Oh Soo as much as he can. Furthermore, i don´t mind the introduction of the nuna Sun Hee since Moo Chul and Oh Soo have a long history, possibly starting in the orphanage.

Their history is something that has to be shown. From the flashback we have so far although both loved the same girl Soo and Moo Chul seemed to be quite in a good relationship (relatively) compared to after Hee Joo died. And I think they're very similar to each other; sacrificing themselves to help others. Like how Soo paid for the living expenses of his friends from the orphanage (I guess), Moo Chul seems to also pay for Sun Hee and some other people living the way he is now. I wonder just who Sun Hee is.

Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

That is a tough nut to crack. To tell you the truth, i do think that it is a bit awkward, considering that they are both adults. While kissing on the cheek is pretty normal in my culture, sleeping together, hugging from behind and so forth are things that a couple do, and not siblings, unless of course they have a space problem in the house. On the other hand, i do think that it makes sense. Oh Soo does not love her as a sibling but as a woman while Young has never felt any warmth and love since her childhood. She pretty much stayed a child mentally. Furthermore, it has actually been addressed in the drama itself. Secretary Wang was furious after learning that they have slept together in one bed while Oh Soo informed Young that even though she is his sibling, he also is still a man. So, i don´t really have a problem with that. I don´t think that it is because of her blindness though. Of course there are scenes that can be explained with that (for example her wanting to know how he looks, so she touches his face and so forth) but the hugging around, sleeping together don´t really have anything to do with that.

The 'sexual' scenes made sense if we think that Soo was just pretending to be the brother, and as we all can see he already fell in love with Young. The problem is that he's supposed to pretend to be one. He did well in front of the others, but when they're alone it's a bit uncomfortable, I guess: going on vacation together, sleeping, hugging, and so on. For me even kissing is actually surprising, lol, but I always return to the point where I think that Soo is having a hard time to control his own feelings. So while he can lie to Young by saying that it's all brotherly act, he can't say the same thing to Secretary Wang for example because they know things better than Young.

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I've seen a few episodes of this series - I don't have the main characters names off the top off my head but it was really a sad scene where
the main female lead's brother was killed. I'm not sure if I will follow the series but it has caught my interest.

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I hope you'll continue and I hope that you'll like it too, Charlie! The cast is amazing, in my opinion, even if the plot is sometimes strange, maybe. ^^;

Latest episodes are.. sad for me. Everyone knows the secret, everyone holds back, getting their cards ready, someone is ready to die more than ever while the other one finally admits the hope to live... They fight, they try to live to the fullest, with complications here and there. It's entangled together that I'm not sure how this will end. T__T

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It was so unexpected and made me laugh. This drama pays attention to so much detail! I love how just when you think it's predictable, they do or say something unexpected or even uncalled for.

The part that was so heart warming is the part when Oh Soo lets a blind person know when the bus came. Then right after - a person was being so darn rude to her it was like >_> wow, really? And their voices really tell the drama, like story telling.

There are so many kind people (just as much as they are corrupt) in That Winter, The Wind Blows. Then the random ads that show get annoying - makes me wish I had Korean Cable.

Lastly, the soundtrack is AMAZING. The timing, the voices, are just so beautiful and sweet and heart-breaking even at the same time. The only part that is weird is that there is a lot of stalking going on (Flower Boy, anyone?)

I think the point of the stalking is to show that the person knows and understands at the same time. No? I'm just guessing so yeah..

This drama feels realistic, much like the drama - The World We Live In (ironically, I think the female lead was also in it).

Re: That Winter, The Wind Blows

Originally Posted by Kyouria

This drama feels realistic, much like the drama - The World We Live In (ironically, I think the female lead was also in it).

The writer and director of this drama worked together twice before, on Worlds Within (or The World We Live In) and on Padam Padam, both dramas that had a very realistic atmosphere and characters, even if the latter had a fantasy touch to it. Furthermore, like you said, Song Hye-Kyo was also the lead in Worlds Within.

It was so unexpected and made me laugh. This drama pays attention to so much detail! I love how just when you think it's predictable, they do or say something unexpected or even uncalled for.

The part that was so heart warming is the part when Oh Soo lets a blind person know when the bus came. Then right after - a person was being so darn rude to her it was like >_> wow, really? And their voices really tell the drama, like story telling.

Haha, I know right. I didn't expect Lawyer Jang -- that's his name -- to laugh at that point. At first I didn't understand that he cooked the soup. Anyway he had been very stressful ever since he started to doubt the Soo he brought to this house, and probably he felt guilty as well. So yeah, it was great. And the parts with Soo watching from far away was sad yet sweet. Much like guardian angel. And to see how his attitude changed to go as far as helping another blind person.

And I cried for Moo Chul. Though we could already see he'd probably die from President Kim's thug, I still wish him to have a natural death because of the cancer, and him spending last days with those who deserve it. Yet he did it by sending Soo off to Young. Moo Chul T_T

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What to say... I've prepared myself for bad ending actually. It went exactly the way I thought it'd be: there was a solution, reached, but something bad happened. The typical way. But then those scenes at the end... I read in other sites about people's disappointment and confusion about the ending, if it happens at real world or at heaven. I think it's real enough to happen in real world. And I take it that Young can see again? The way she gazes at things show so, but then what's the walking stick for?

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This is where the contradiction comes. Jin Sung loved him so much, but I can understand if he just had to do that when Hee Sun and his whole family is in danger. I'd imagine President Kim would've asked Jin Sung to kill Oh Soo. So he should've let Oh Soo died for his family to be safe. Since no one else was there, Jin Sung is most probably the one who saved him too. How? Why? A plot hole. Unless someone else saved him. Moo Chul's boy, for example.

Here's a comment by Han-yuu at MDL:

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I'm not sure why many peoples are thinking it was an open/viewer imagination ending. They gave enough reason to believe for them to being alive. There was time skip. Dream ending doesn't need it & "Spring Next Year" heading.

Young got her sight back, was doing social activities & supported blindfolded ex-fiance for a moment. Not required for dream ending.

Jin Sung was not sad at all. We know how much he cared. There is no way he would be normal & tell Hee Sun to which flower we should get after KILLING him with his own hand. lol. So that call was for other Oh Soo.

There is no way Hee Sun would've been together with him (+ happy) if had really killed Oh Soo. No matter whatever the reason was.

Oh Soo was alive & gave his reason for not visiting. Again proving time skip. Not required for dream ending. I think that last whole scenario was just over dramatic happy ending. Not open ending.

And I agree with it. When I first watched it, I think it was real as well, though I was just confused about how Soo survived. -__-