Yes, but is calculus math before birth?posted by michaelh at 12:24 PM on February 10, 2012

Huh. That tangential circle is called the Osculating Circle, which means 'kissing.' As I recall, it actually agrees in its second derivative, as well, at the point of osculation.

Cool find! I'll probably pass this along to my students...posted by kaibutsu at 12:36 PM on February 10, 2012

I'm of the opinion that basic Physics, at least the force/acceleration/velocity/displacement relationship, needs to be taught before calculus. See, I played around with this stuff starting in 6th grade math classes using little sonic motion detectors and took a basic mechanics class before I started any calculus. Nobody actually explained that we were learning calculus at the time, but by the time I was being taught derivatives, I already had a really intuitive notion of how and why this stuff all worked.

Too many of my classmates saw calculus as complicated algebraic manipulation instead of the inevitable need to describe the relationship between the basic parameters of motion. Anybody who has taken Algebra 1 and has ever ridden in a car or pushed a toy train down a track can understand the basic concepts behind calculus. There's really no excuse for these concepts to be shoved into an "advanced" math class for selected students during their senior year of high school.posted by zachlipton at 12:43 PM on February 10, 2012 [17 favorites]

they have to be facsimiles, mrnutty, they have to! I know people who would stop talking to me if I handled their comic books like that.posted by valdesm at 12:45 PM on February 10, 2012 [1 favorite]

I'm of the opinion that basic Physics, at least the force/acceleration/velocity/displacement relationship, needs to be taught before calculus

I'd say not the complete physics, but a simple investigation into mechanics would be the best. There is a tendency to get lost in the weeds in physics too. :-)

One issue I had when I was learning both was that I got the relationship between derivatives and physical motion, but did not really understand the integral in any intuitive way other than the geometric bar plot geometrical explanation.

From tht it was it was very unclear for the longest time how the tangent and area under the curve were even related... the idea that the anti-derivative "just worked" was something I could absorb as a fact, but didn't really make sense to me until later.posted by smidgen at 1:00 PM on February 10, 2012

I'm of the opinion that basic Physics, at least the force/acceleration/velocity/displacement relationship, needs to be taught before calculus.

I agree. Newton didn't just invent calculus out of thin air. He invented it because he was trying to solve a problem. Presenting Newton's problem to students and then proposing Calculus as the solution seems so much better than the reverse. Ideally, they should be taught together.posted by empath at 1:07 PM on February 10, 2012 [1 favorite]

I'm of the opinion that basic Physics, at least the force/acceleration/velocity/displacement relationship, needs to be taught before calculus.

I came at it from the other side, with an unhealthy love of geometry. Newton's approach has always felt awkward and post-hoc while Leibniz explains something more of a basic discovery to me: exploring the properties of curves and shapes I can draw on paper or visualize on my own. Maybe it's just because I had a spirograph before you had a sonic motion detector, or you are a kinesthetic learner while I am a visual learner.

zachlipton, I'm off to check your profile gender, and if it's F/innie/grrl, I'm going to propose.

Sorry, and I'm straight too, but flattered! You can be my MeFi wife though if you'd like.

All other proposals should probably come through MeMail in fairness to the other candidates. Serious candidates only, don't call us we'll call you, void where prohibited, an equal housing lender, etc...posted by zachlipton at 4:55 PM on February 10, 2012 [1 favorite]

I have spent 4 consecutive days on a temp job grading hundreds of high school algebra exams, while sitting next to a fellow whose presence compelled me to search in the company handbook to locate the policy statement, "Employees may be sent home if poor hygiene results in body odor." Now I'm at home on a friday evening watching a documentary on calculus. FMLposted by charlie don't surf at 6:25 PM on February 10, 2012 [1 favorite]

Metafilter: reliable in practice, but it could be complicated to apply.posted by ztdavis at 9:24 PM on February 10, 2012

How come the British put "the" in front of calculus but not in front of hospital?

It makes calculus sound more important. Also, they have "maths" where Americans have "math" - like they have more than one math. Algebra is a math. Geometry is a math. And so on.

(Seriously, though, it's probably a shortening of "the differential calculus", as opposed to, say, the lambda calculus or the Schubert calculus. There's more than one calculus.)posted by madcaptenor at 11:06 AM on February 11, 2012 [2 favorites]

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