This is a discussion on $10 NLHE Full Ring: Is this an easy fold?? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/3/1
Only got 38 hands on villain but his 3b% is at 0.
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Does his 0% 3bet make this a simple fold, even though its only over 38 hands?? I'm thinking he's either got the flush or a house here and we've been outdrawn on the river, would you have played the hand any differently? The buttons steal percentage was 50% so i flat called in the sb, was this a mistake straight off? Should i have 3bet this preflop??

#2

14th March 2009, 9:16 PM

Steveg1976 [2,519]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

This is a fold preflop, you are easily dominated with KJ and oop.

As played you have to call $4.50 for a $15.00 dollar pot I think, but I am station so TFWIW. I would have preferred a check/call a reasonable bet on the river to maximize the few times you are ahead and minimize when you are behind but meh.

#3

14th March 2009, 9:17 PM

Richyl2008 [731]

Game: Bumhunting

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

The buttons steal percentage was 50% so i flat called in the sb, was this a mistake straight off? Should i have 3bet this preflop??

The button appears to not be in this hand and you are in the big blind

Afaik 3bet% is not relevant in this hand, since it only measure 3bets made preflop and there was none. As played though on the river I would probably fold to the river raise, (as long as hes not crazy) the best you are really hoping for here is a chop. If the button did steal in this hand and he had a high steal %, I would much rather flat call then 3bet pre so he's not folding his weaker kings and calling with the better ones.
I would imagine KJs doesnt do great against someone who raises only 3% of the time, so id probably fold pre

#4

14th March 2009, 10:08 PM

orangepeeleo [3,148]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: NLHE

Sorry, the SB's steal percentage was at 50%, not the buttons, thats why i flat called, as the hand plays out you can see he folds on that flop, thats why i said i maybe should i have 3Bet it, b/c i know the sb could very well be stealing with crap and even if he calls my 3bet I have pos on him and can take it down on the flop.

Maybe if i'd have 3bet pf then MP1 wouldnt have ever been in the hand.

#5

15th March 2009, 10:41 AM

S93 [6,162]

Game: NL

This is a fold prf for me. wouldnt mind a 3bet sometimes but not against a 3% pfr.
Flop/Turn action looks good to me but the river has me kind baffled tbh.
If we bet we can probably only expect to get called by better or hands we chop against and if villain had any draws they all maked it on the river.
i probably just check/fold-check/call the river based on his bet but probably alot more C/F.

prf:
Folding>>>3beting>>>calling imo.

#6

15th March 2009, 4:04 PM

NineLions [4,954]

Online Poker at: PS, FT

re: Poker & $10 NLHE Full Ring: Is this an easy fold??

I'd agree with sindri pre; fold > 3-bet > call, and I like the flop bet, but the turn I'm inclined to check rather than build the pot, maybe call a bet up to the size that you might have made yourself.

#7

22nd March 2009, 9:43 AM

kleitches [987]

Poker at: Poker Stars

Game: Hold 'Em

Quote:

Originally Posted by NineLions

I'd agree with sindri pre; fold > 3-bet > call, and I like the flop bet, but the turn I'm inclined to check rather than build the pot, maybe call a bet up to the size that you might have made yourself.

Really? You're inclined to check and let flush draws try to catch up and not get value out of worse hands? I think betting turn is here is absolutely fine.

To OP, I can maybe make a crying call on the river and expect to lose a good chunk of the time, but seeing as we're getting more than 4:1 on our money I'd call.