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Taiga is really getting onto my nerves with all this obsession... He's just a crush, really, talk about insane over reactions?

The highlight of this episode would be the brillant play of "admiration is the furthest from understanding" it happened twice! When Minorin praised Ami for being "mature" and when Ryuuji saids Minorin was "kind" and she was like nuuu.

Minorin's remark about Ami really makes me hope that this anime ends as ChiDora, from what I've seen so far the only one who understands Ami the most is Ryuuji at least he sees through the fake matureness.

Anyways it was a pretty decent episode, didn't really go anywhere and the Taiga reactions were kinda like.. really? are you THAT obsessed, geez get a hobby :/

8 out of 10

PS : The animation seemed to be much better quality this time -or maybe it was because I changed my subs-

Umm no I don't watch Toradora for its comedy. Its a comedy? But this episode is just plain bad compared to the last 14 episodes. And just want to see more of my favorite char Ami lol. That's all.

No, this episode upholds the same fantastic quality the rest of the series has given us, and you wanting to see more of another character should in no way hold weight against it.

I mean seriously, think about the fact that this show is bothering to develop him at all. Many, many other shows would have shelved him as a side character and stuck him with a paper thin personality and let that be the end of it, but the fact that we're actually being show a very human reaction / other side of him is MIND BLOWING and should really be appreciated because it shows how much this show really, really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY cares for its characters.

I dont think it gives any depth for his character. There is a difference between depth and childish overreaction after all, and thats what Kitamura's act looks like. It is not really a depth nor really caring about the character. To care about the character you have to do something better than artificially formed tension.

This is why I guess many are annoyed by Kitamura. Him going emo does not give him much depth. It is not like Shinji where going emo is really based with characters deoth (though even that annoyed many). In Kitamura's case it looks forced and shallow, which doesn't make him deeper as character at all, just increasing for some the feeling of dislikeness towards this character as he is not as natural as the rest of the cast. Even the attempts to give him depth look unnatural and forced.

I dont think it gives any depth for his character. There is a difference between depth and childish overreaction after all, and thats what Kitamura's act looks like. It is not really a depth nor really caring about the character. To care about the character you have to do something better than artificially formed tension.

This is why I guess many are annoyed by Kitamura. Him going emo does not give him much depth. It is not like Shinji where going emo is really based with characters deoth. In Kitamura's case it looks forced and shallow.

It gives plenty depth to his character because all we've seen for the past 14 episodes is an quirky bystander whose only REAL link to the entire plot is that he's Taiga's crush.

Taking him out of the role of simply being a plot device created to make her blush on sight and giving him a problem to deal with (whatever it may be) gives him depth, and that's not an opinion, that's fact. There's nothing artificial about giving him an obstacle or allowing him to be emotional for that matter. It's not being forced or shallow either. If he was nothing more then a crush and an eccentric idiot for the entireity of the show, well that would be completely artificial, forced, and shallow. Hell, that would make him a one dimensional character that could be replaced with a cardboard cut out and a tape player.

It is artificially formed tension when it is formed in an unnatural way (character overreaction even by anime standarts etc.) thus makes the whole depth as if 'created' this way artificial as well.

Just because you are given more info about the character or make him go emo doesnt amke it a deep character. I thought you would have known that already by seeing many of such attempts in the anime already. Kitamura, sadly, is not an exception. While the rest of Toradora's cast are given the depth in natural way, Kitamura is used the typical clyche ever - emo=character depth, not caring that the whole sitiation and tension is very artificial and forced. We have seen it many times and kitamura just follows the lead of many other animes that can't give time to give character natural depth and have to force sudden emo=depth thing on us.

It's a teenage girl with a crush, why is there a need to explain much of anything?

And giant LOL at people complaining that Kitamura was acting emo.

Really, some of you are completely blind of what makes this show so beautiful, and likely an instant classic when all is said and done.

"OH NO, KITAMURA IS GETTING DEVELOPED AS A CHARACTER AND IT'S NOT FUNNY AT ALL, THIS IS TOTAL GARBAGE WHERE ARE MY LOLS?????"

Damn. Sometimes I really wonder why you people are watching to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Master Chibi

No, this episode upholds the same fantastic quality the rest of the series has given us, and you wanting to see more of another character should in no way hold weight against it.

I mean seriously, think about the fact that this show is bothering to develop him at all. Many, many other shows would have shelved him as a side character and stuck him with a paper thin personality and let that be the end of it, but the fact that we're actually being show a very human reaction / other side of him is MIND BLOWING and should really be appreciated because it shows how much this show really, really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY cares for its characters.

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Originally Posted by Master Chibi

It gives plenty depth to his character because all we've seen for the past 14 episodes is an quirky bystander whose only REAL link to the entire plot is that he's Taiga's crush.

Taking him out of the role of simply being a plot device created to make her blush on sight and giving him a problem to deal with (whatever it may be) gives him depth, and that's not an opinion, that's fact. There's nothing artificial about giving him an obstacle or allowing him to be emotional for that matter. It's not being forced or shallow either. If he was nothing more then a crush and an eccentric idiot for the entireity of the show, well that would be completely artificial, forced, and shallow. Hell, that would make him a one dimensional character that could be replaced with a cardboard cut out and a tape player.

...I love you.

Seriously though, this is the most constructive and positive posting I've seen in ages.

Thank you so very very much for being a pillar of intelligence and positivity here. Thank you so very very much for making actual sense.

Dammit I need to rep more people before I can rep you for this...

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Just because you are given more info about the character or make him go emo doesnt amke it a deep character. I thought you would have known that already by seeing many of such attempts in the anime already. Kitamura, sadly, is not an exception. While the rest of Toradora's cast are given the depth in natural way, Kitamura is used the typical clyche ever - emo=character depth, not caring that the whole sitiation and tension is very artificial and forced. We have seen it many times and kitamura just follows the lead of many other animes that can't give time to give character natural depth and have to force sudden emo=depth thing on us.

I disagree, personally. I think it's fairly well done, considering. I also think it's pretty funny.

I mean, his first reaction his situation is to DYE HIS HAIR. That's both incredibly dumb and exactly the sort of thing Kitamura would do.

It is artificially formed tension when it is formed in an unnatural way (character overreaction even by anime standarts etc.) thus makes the whole depth as if 'created' this way artificial as well.

Just because you are given more info about the character or make him go emo doesnt amke it a deep character. I thought you would have known that already by seeing many of such attempts in the anime already. Kitamura, sadly, is not an exception. While the rest of Toradora's cast are given the depth in natural way, Kitamura is used the typical clyche ever - emo=character depth, not caring that the whole sitiation and tension is very artificial and forced. We have seen it many times and kitamura just follows the lead of many other animes that can't give time to give character natural depth and have to force sudden emo=depth thing on us.

You are extremely frustrating to talk to guy.

Everytime someone bothers to disagree with you you just take everything they've told you, lay it out infront of them, and then slap a giant OPPOSITE sticker onto it and hand it back.

How is it forced? Most of us don't even know why he's acting the way he is, but seeing him crack is certainly a departure. You going to tell me making a guy like Kitamura act like a normal teenager is forced? Crying is forced? Should he be jumping through hoops at this point? I don't get where you're pulling all this 'artificial / forced' nonsense. I'm sitting here wondering what could make him act so unlike himself, but you're stuck at the fact that he shouldn't be acting like it because it isn't like him. It's like you refuse to accept it because it doesn't adhere to some standard of acceptable problems / reactions / emotions that you've created.

Houkoholic, if it wouldn't make sense for them to show the scene because it doesn't work with what she later says is her reason for staying then doesn't that kinda say she was lying/being dishonest during the later conversation?

It goes both ways - she could be lying in vol6 or lying later during the confession. However her actions in the later arc (Christmas, school trips etc) and the nature of the confession supports what she said later being the truth, rather than the former being true, making her actions in volume 6 going in conflict to what she said she wants to do and thus make that scene out of place.

Everytime someone bothers to disagree with you you just take everything they've told you, lay it out infront of them, and then slap a giant OPPOSITE sticker onto it and hand it back.

Huh are you talking about yourself? Since I feel those words can be easily directed to you as well.

Forced is the overreaction towards the problem which also comes out of the blue. There is no gradual creation of the scene just sudden throw emo into us which makes such scene look artificial and forced (yes crying and other things are just as artificial because the tension that generated them looks forced) which makes Kitamura's character just as shallow as it was before.

He is an easy character to hate. Look at popularity polls be it here or in Japan... While it doenst tell he is hated, it tells he is not liked. His character is really struggling and the overused cliche of sudden emo being presented as if the character depth that was used in numerous animes really numerous times, doesn't make him any better.

While Kitamura's reaction is rather sudden, the fact remains that we really don't know much about Kitamura. Because of this, I don't think we can honestly call it an overreaction. For the same reason, I wouldn't call him shallow or deep. He's a work in progress. Sure, it would've been nice if they could've built his breakdown gradually, but the abrupt change in Kitamura's behavior further directs our focus to the key point that he is a relative unknown in the series. I'm interested to see where JC Staff goes from here.