That actually is in the "Rule of Two" Sith Apprentice Job description. The point of the Apprentice is either to overthrow the Master or be replaced by a stronger Apprentice. It fits with the whole "Social Darwin/Necromonger"-approach of the Sith.

"I need an Apprentice, you're it until I find someone better."

So it's not like Vader didn't exactly know what he was getting into it's just that aside from Luke and Starkiller there weren't a lot of serious applicants for the job.

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

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The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

So, Order 66 made individual Jedi more powerful? Less Jedi = more Force to go around. Hmmmmm.

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

So, Order 66 made individual Jedi more powerful? Less Jedi = more Force to go around. Hmmmmm.

Technically it was the best thing to happen to the Jedi. It's one reason why Luke Skywalker was so power, along with Yoda. He was the only trained Jedi Knight left, he carried the brunt of the lightside like a Banhammer... And then in the books after the series he makes a very small academy

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

So, Order 66 made individual Jedi more powerful? Less Jedi = more Force to go around. Hmmmmm.

Technically it was the best thing to happen to the Jedi. It's one reason why Luke Skywalker was so power, along with Yoda. He was the only trained Jedi Knight left, he carried the brunt of the lightside like a Banhammer... And then in the books after the series he makes a very small academy

And That actually explains the problems in Shamus' comic last week. though there is still a huge difference in pushing some Droids and pulling a Star Destroyer from the upper atmosphere.

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

So, Order 66 made individual Jedi more powerful? Less Jedi = more Force to go around. Hmmmmm.

Technically it was the best thing to happen to the Jedi. It's one reason why Luke Skywalker was so power, along with Yoda. He was the only trained Jedi Knight left, he carried the brunt of the lightside like a Banhammer... And then in the books after the series he makes a very small academy

And That actually explains the problems in Shamus' comic last week. though there is still a huge difference in pushing some Droids and pulling a Star Destroyer from the upper atmosphere.

Well that's the thing... THey're constantly trying to one up-themselves. I believe it was Marr_LRR that mentioned putting a fleet of Star destroyers in motion. I think I'd read tht book and they're dimply augmented the power of the drives, they didn't actually put the star destroyers into hyper drive. Atleast I think.

Good luck with that

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, the Sith Lords weren't the only people who used the Dark Side. Just look at all the Dark Jedi running around during KotOR; if Revan wanted to keep the Dark Side concentrated, why would he have convinced the Jedi that followed him into the Mandalorian Wars to turn dark? The whole Force-being-diluted thing may have been part of Darth Bane's rationale for killing all the other Sith Lords and instituting Revan's Rule of Two as official policy, but I'm pretty sure Revan's original adoption of the rule had more to do with trying to cut down on infighting. Remember, his whole purpose in waging the Jedi Civil War was to unite the galaxy in preparation for the coming Sith invasion; infighting is hardly conducive to unity.

I... don't really think Palpatine wanted people to kill him. He probably just taunted them, knowing that his cheap-ass force lightning can and will kill anyone actually willing to try it.True, Ragnos may have been a bit more effective (or Revan for that matter... it might have something to do with the capital R), but that's history.

Edit: Scratch the capital R theory, I just realised we had a Rosh Penin. Until he was impaled with great prejudice, of course.

Bob_F_It:The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

When I read the comic I was ready to explain that it's because of the Rule of Two and how it came to be, but then I saw that someone explained it before me. Good job, dude.

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, the Sith Lords weren't the only people who used the Dark Side. Just look at all the Dark Jedi running around during KotOR; if Revan wanted to keep the Dark Side concentrated, why would he have convinced the Jedi that followed him into the Mandalorian Wars to turn dark? The whole Force-being-diluted thing may have been part of Darth Bane's rationale for killing all the other Sith Lords and instituting Revan's Rule of Two as official policy, but I'm pretty sure Revan's original adoption of the rule had more to do with trying to cut down on infighting. Remember, his whole purpose in waging the Jedi Civil War was to unite the galaxy in preparation for the coming Sith invasion; infighting is hardly conducive to unity.

Revan existed Pre-KOTOR though. He was a leading figure-head and one of the main sith in the Star Wars Universe. I'll admit I don't know why you'd convince your jedi to follow the darkside either. Revan never followed a "Fight to become the best" Fighting for the sake of it amongst his followers meant nothing. Malik's attempts on his life was Malik's training. The day that Malik killed him was the day that Revan would have deemed himself no longer fit to lead, and time for Malik to take the Sith in his own direction. it's more of a "The strong shall lead" thing. Unlike Sidius, Revan wouldn't sit theree and say "Strike my apprentice down! Take his spot!" No, for Revan, it was him and his apprentice. Once his aprpecitce struck him down, then Malik would find his own apprentice. it's one of the reasons I didn't like KOTOR's directional plot twist.

Sure, it was cool, but it didn't add up with Revan's philosophy and past. Plus there was the amnesia bit in the game, so even if you did recruit the Jedi to become Sith, it could be explained that he forgot his own rule.

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

This right here.

Less inverse law of ninja more gaggle of doucebags.

I grew up a Star Wars geek, but the inverse law of ninja didn't always hit me as applicable to the Force but...

as for the Sith, less so the Jedi..."more gaggle of douchebags" seems just about the right way to put it for them xP

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, the Sith Lords weren't the only people who used the Dark Side. Just look at all the Dark Jedi running around during KotOR; if Revan wanted to keep the Dark Side concentrated, why would he have convinced the Jedi that followed him into the Mandalorian Wars to turn dark? The whole Force-being-diluted thing may have been part of Darth Bane's rationale for killing all the other Sith Lords and instituting Revan's Rule of Two as official policy, but I'm pretty sure Revan's original adoption of the rule had more to do with trying to cut down on infighting. Remember, his whole purpose in waging the Jedi Civil War was to unite the galaxy in preparation for the coming Sith invasion; infighting is hardly conducive to unity.

Revan existed Pre-KOTOR though. He was a leading figure-head and one of the main sith in the Star Wars Universe. I'll admit I don't know why you'd convince your jedi to follow the darkside either. Revan never followed a "Fight to become the best" Fighting for the sake of it amongst his followers meant nothing. Malik's attempts on his life was Malik's training. The day that Malik killed him was the day that Revan would have deemed himself no longer fit to lead, and time for Malik to take the Sith in his own direction. it's more of a "The strong shall lead" thing. Unlike Sidius, Revan wouldn't sit theree and say "Strike my apprentice down! Take his spot!" No, for Revan, it was him and his apprentice. Once his aprpecitce struck him down, then Malik would find his own apprentice. it's one of the reasons I didn't like KOTOR's directional plot twist.

Sure, it was cool, but it didn't add up with Revan's philosophy and past. Plus there was the amnesia bit in the game, so even if you did recruit the Jedi to become Sith, it could be explained that he forgot his own rule.

Umm... Wookiepedia says Revan's first appearance (in both the in-the-flesh sense and the just-mentioned sense) was in KotOR, and I'm inclined to agree; Bioware was deliberately trying its hardest not to mess with existing Star Wars canon by creating an entirely new cast of characters. If anything, it's his other appearances that don't add up with his original appearance in the game, not the other way around.

About the amnesia thing...he turned his fellow Revanchists to the Dark Side long before his mind-wipe at the hands of the Jedi Council.

Also, the whole "Dark Side being diluted" thing really doesn't make sense as Revan's motivation when you consider the fact that there was an entire empire of Sith just hanging out in the Unknown Regions, waiting for a chance to get revenge on the Republic for defeating it during the Great Hyperspace War.

There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it.

From George Orwell's 1984:

Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude toward one another, have varied from age to age; but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim--for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by the drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives--is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal.

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

As i understood it, it's more because the first time the Sith tried to take over (under Darth Bane, i think?) they were more numerous...buth each sith plotted to kill the others so he alone could have all the power. After the resulting massacre the jedi mopped up the remains and called it a victory.

Putting more than 1 sith in a room at the same time just ain't a good idea.

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, the Sith Lords weren't the only people who used the Dark Side. Just look at all the Dark Jedi running around during KotOR; if Revan wanted to keep the Dark Side concentrated, why would he have convinced the Jedi that followed him into the Mandalorian Wars to turn dark? The whole Force-being-diluted thing may have been part of Darth Bane's rationale for killing all the other Sith Lords and instituting Revan's Rule of Two as official policy, but I'm pretty sure Revan's original adoption of the rule had more to do with trying to cut down on infighting. Remember, his whole purpose in waging the Jedi Civil War was to unite the galaxy in preparation for the coming Sith invasion; infighting is hardly conducive to unity.

Revan existed Pre-KOTOR though. He was a leading figure-head and one of the main sith in the Star Wars Universe. I'll admit I don't know why you'd convince your jedi to follow the darkside either. Revan never followed a "Fight to become the best" Fighting for the sake of it amongst his followers meant nothing. Malik's attempts on his life was Malik's training. The day that Malik killed him was the day that Revan would have deemed himself no longer fit to lead, and time for Malik to take the Sith in his own direction. it's more of a "The strong shall lead" thing. Unlike Sidius, Revan wouldn't sit theree and say "Strike my apprentice down! Take his spot!" No, for Revan, it was him and his apprentice. Once his aprpecitce struck him down, then Malik would find his own apprentice. it's one of the reasons I didn't like KOTOR's directional plot twist.

Sure, it was cool, but it didn't add up with Revan's philosophy and past. Plus there was the amnesia bit in the game, so even if you did recruit the Jedi to become Sith, it could be explained that he forgot his own rule.