walleyeman wrote:Now, now Republicans. Don't get too excited. If you've done any study of history at all you know that the pendulum swings - - left, then right, then left, then right etc etc etc. That is simply the nature of our schizophrenic political system and our uninformed electorate. I really enjoy the entertainment value of being an independent centrist - - I can watch the action and just laugh at all its folly without getting upset.

The funniest thing about this post is that it says nothing controversial at all. Yet it has eight down votes. Clearly, some here just don't like any idea that their team will lose at any time.

Well, walleyeman, I appreciate your point.

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

walleyeman wrote:Now, now Republicans. Don't get too excited. If you've done any study of history at all you know that the pendulum swings - - left, then right, then left, then right etc etc etc. That is simply the nature of our schizophrenic political system and our uninformed electorate. I really enjoy the entertainment value of being an independent centrist - - I can watch the action and just laugh at all its folly without getting upset.

But you either vote for one side or the other or you just don't vote.

So choose your side, but at least understand why you chose it.

Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

Arky James wrote:What difference does it make? It's too late to stop Obama's socialist agenda. He won. It's the law of the land.

The only thing the GOP can do now is bellyache about details and make the voters feel as if anything better will actually get done.

It makes not a hill of beans difference at this point.

The Second Amendment has been law of the land for over 222 years, yet the socialist Obama and his chronies have been trying to change it, modify it and infringe on it consistently.

Actually, the second amendment isn't a law, it is an amendment to the constitution . But hey, you guys are constantly taking the position to throw out the fourth and fifth amendments, so you can keep your second amendment rights. When quite frankly if you don't have the fourth or fifth, you really don't have a second amendment right to begin with.

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

walleyeman wrote:Now, now Republicans. Don't get too excited. If you've done any study of history at all you know that the pendulum swings - - left, then right, then left, then right etc etc etc. That is simply the nature of our schizophrenic political system and our uninformed electorate. I really enjoy the entertainment value of being an independent centrist - - I can watch the action and just laugh at all its folly without getting upset.

But you either vote for one side or the other or you just don't vote.

So choose your side, but at least understand why you chose it.

Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

The candidates are on one side or the other.

Choosing a candidate is choosing the side he or she is on.

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." (Barack Obama August 21, 2010)

Arky James wrote:What difference does it make? It's too late to stop Obama's socialist agenda. He won. It's the law of the land.

The only thing the GOP can do now is bellyache about details and make the voters feel as if anything better will actually get done.

It makes not a hill of beans difference at this point.

The Second Amendment has been law of the land for over 222 years, yet the socialist Obama and his chronies have been trying to change it, modify it and infringe on it consistently.

Actually, the second amendment isn't a law, it is an amendment to the constitution . But hey, you guys are constantly taking the position to throw out the fourth and fifth amendments, so you can keep your second amendment rights. When quite frankly if you don't have the fourth or fifth, you really don't have a second amendment right to begin with.

You fail to understand what law is.

The Constitution is, by both definition and its own declaration, "the supreme law of the land".

Article 6, Clause 2 of the "Constitution for the United States of America".

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." (Barack Obama August 21, 2010)

walleyeman wrote:Now, now Republicans. Don't get too excited. If you've done any study of history at all you know that the pendulum swings - - left, then right, then left, then right etc etc etc. That is simply the nature of our schizophrenic political system and our uninformed electorate. I really enjoy the entertainment value of being an independent centrist - - I can watch the action and just laugh at all its folly without getting upset.

But you either vote for one side or the other or you just don't vote.

So choose your side, but at least understand why you chose it.

Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

The candidates are on one side or the other.

Choosing a candidate is choosing the side he or she is on.

Try opening your arc of possibility, and think about how you are framing the question. It is an either/or fallacy. I may choose to support Coffman or I may choose to vote for the libertarian running in the race. Does that mean I am a conservative?????????????????????

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

Arky James wrote:What difference does it make? It's too late to stop Obama's socialist agenda. He won. It's the law of the land.

The only thing the GOP can do now is bellyache about details and make the voters feel as if anything better will actually get done.

It makes not a hill of beans difference at this point.

The Second Amendment has been law of the land for over 222 years, yet the socialist Obama and his chronies have been trying to change it, modify it and infringe on it consistently.

Actually, the second amendment isn't a law, it is an amendment to the constitution . But hey, you guys are constantly taking the position to throw out the fourth and fifth amendments, so you can keep your second amendment rights. When quite frankly if you don't have the fourth or fifth, you really don't have a second amendment right to begin with.

You fail to understand what law is.

The Constitution is, by both definition and its own declaration, "the supreme law of the land".

Article 6, Clause 2 of the "Constitution for the United States of America".

Notice how Sid ignores the rest of my comment, and instead nit-picks at a clearly joke-statement? Funny that, now isn't it........

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

walleyeman wrote:Now, now Republicans. Don't get too excited. If you've done any study of history at all you know that the pendulum swings - - left, then right, then left, then right etc etc etc. That is simply the nature of our schizophrenic political system and our uninformed electorate. I really enjoy the entertainment value of being an independent centrist - - I can watch the action and just laugh at all its folly without getting upset.

But you either vote for one side or the other or you just don't vote.

So choose your side, but at least understand why you chose it.

Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

The candidates are on one side or the other.

Choosing a candidate is choosing the side he or she is on.

Try opening your arc of possibility, and think about how you are framing the question. It is an either/or fallacy. I may choose to support Coffman or I may choose to vote for the libertarian running in the race. Does that mean I am a conservative?????????????????????

It means you have chosen a side.

Assuming you choose one of them and don't just not vote.

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." (Barack Obama August 21, 2010)

Arky James wrote:What difference does it make? It's too late to stop Obama's socialist agenda. He won. It's the law of the land.

The only thing the GOP can do now is bellyache about details and make the voters feel as if anything better will actually get done.

It makes not a hill of beans difference at this point.

The Second Amendment has been law of the land for over 222 years, yet the socialist Obama and his chronies have been trying to change it, modify it and infringe on it consistently.

Actually, the second amendment isn't a law, it is an amendment to the constitution . But hey, you guys are constantly taking the position to throw out the fourth and fifth amendments, so you can keep your second amendment rights. When quite frankly if you don't have the fourth or fifth, you really don't have a second amendment right to begin with.

You fail to understand what law is.

The Constitution is, by both definition and its own declaration, "the supreme law of the land".

Article 6, Clause 2 of the "Constitution for the United States of America".

Notice how Sid ignores the rest of my comment, and instead nit-picks at a clearly joke-statement? Funny that, now isn't it........

Your opening statement states the basis of your argument, it is the subject of the rest of your post.

If it is fallacious, the rest of the argument is fallacious as well.

And it is clearly fallacious, it is not at all clearly a joke. Words have meanings and words have power, how they are being used is of importance.

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." (Barack Obama August 21, 2010)

Houstongolfnut wrote:An AP poll? Give me a break! The AP has a liberal agenda. This one is to lull Republicans into thinking that victory is a slam dunk. Then, like last time, Republicans stay home and the socialists win again.

gotta love it when someone is far down the rabbit hole that they view positive coverage as a sign of a conspiracy against them.

csujake wrote:Good I hope the GOP wins, and when the conservatives are blindly following their dear leader to the fiscal cliff that will happen in the next 5-7 years, those on the left can blame the current president solely for all the debt, and the financial fallout can be attributed to that president too.

When compared to .....

csujake wrote:Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

Oh the irony!!!

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."Senator Obama

Yes, potential. Did you ever hear of innocent until proven guilty. This was just discovered and you can bet that the AG of NC will bring many to trial. Still, they are just potential until a judge and jury rule on the case.

Its surprising some on the left are so ignorant on the constitution. Oh wait. No its not.

Facts have a conservative bias. That's why its the democratic party's goal is to fog the mind of the average voter.

csujake wrote:Good I hope the GOP wins, and when the conservatives are blindly following their dear leader to the fiscal cliff that will happen in the next 5-7 years, those on the left can blame the current president solely for all the debt, and the financial fallout can be attributed to that president too.

When compared to .....

csujake wrote:Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

Oh the irony!!!

Oh look Michael O (who has admitted he doesn't even live in the state) contributes nothing to the conversation. Interesting indeed.

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

Arky James wrote:What difference does it make? It's too late to stop Obama's socialist agenda. He won. It's the law of the land.

The only thing the GOP can do now is bellyache about details and make the voters feel as if anything better will actually get done.

It makes not a hill of beans difference at this point.

The Second Amendment has been law of the land for over 222 years, yet the socialist Obama and his chronies have been trying to change it, modify it and infringe on it consistently.

Actually, the second amendment isn't a law, it is an amendment to the constitution . But hey, you guys are constantly taking the position to throw out the fourth and fifth amendments, so you can keep your second amendment rights. When quite frankly if you don't have the fourth or fifth, you really don't have a second amendment right to begin with.

You fail to understand what law is.

The Constitution is, by both definition and its own declaration, "the supreme law of the land".

Article 6, Clause 2 of the "Constitution for the United States of America".

Notice how Sid ignores the rest of my comment, and instead nit-picks at a clearly joke-statement? Funny that, now isn't it........

Your opening statement states the basis of your argument, it is the subject of the rest of your post.

If it is fallacious, the rest of the argument is fallacious as well.

And it is clearly fallacious, it is not at all clearly a joke. Words have meanings and words have power, how they are being used is of importance.

I think you are dodging the point, and now changing the subject. Yawn.

Actually, if you took the time to read my entire statement, the first sentence has little to do with the rest of my comment.

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

csujake wrote:Good I hope the GOP wins, and when the conservatives are blindly following their dear leader to the fiscal cliff that will happen in the next 5-7 years, those on the left can blame the current president solely for all the debt, and the financial fallout can be attributed to that president too.

When compared to .....

csujake wrote:Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

Oh the irony!!!

Oh look Michael O (who has admitted he doesn't even live in the state) contributes nothing to the conversation. Interesting indeed.

Only those that live in the state can contribute? How discriminatory of you

You can't see your own irony that's why you think I didn't contribute anything.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."Senator Obama

csujake wrote:Good I hope the GOP wins, and when the conservatives are blindly following their dear leader to the fiscal cliff that will happen in the next 5-7 years, those on the left can blame the current president solely for all the debt, and the financial fallout can be attributed to that president too.

When compared to .....

csujake wrote:Actually, no you are wrong. There is no need to choose a side, as this is not a sport. A person can choose a candidate, or a platform, but there is no need to choose a side and blindly follow it.

Oh the irony!!!

Oh look Michael O (who has admitted he doesn't even live in the state) contributes nothing to the conversation. Interesting indeed.

Only those that live in the state can contribute? How discriminatory of you

You can't see your own irony that's why you think I didn't contribute anything.

No you can, but I just wish the paid contributors would be kicked off the site.

Also, I really do hope the Republicans to win the white house, senate, and house. I'll have a martini ready for the fire works. I think I'll be able to see them from Fiji. Enjoy that nuclear winter Michael O, hope your children don't have too many unfortunate deformities.

FYI, I took a position based off of planks in the platform, you know, what presidents, senators, and house representatives run on. Name one Republican candidate that didn't run on all of those planks in the last cycle? Just one, come on, you can do it....

A lie will circle the globe before the truth has the chance to put its boots on. Terry Pratchett.

If you plan on winning based on the other team's best player getting hurt, and not on your team's abilities, you don't deserve to win anything.

csujake wrote:No you can, but I just wish the paid contributors would be kicked off the site.

Also, I really do hope the Republicans to win the white house, senate, and house. I'll have a martini ready for the fire works. I think I'll be able to see them from Fiji. Enjoy that nuclear winter Michael O, hope your children don't have too many unfortunate deformities.

FYI, I took a position based off of planks in the platform, you know, what presidents, senators, and house representatives run on. Name one Republican candidate that didn't run on all of those planks in the last cycle? Just one, come on, you can do it....

ROFLMAO!!! Paid contributors??!! Was that another joke?I lived in Colorado for 17 years. I just moved to Alaska. I continue to debate here because I like the Denver Post's format and there really just aren't enough Liberals in Alaska to make it worth my while.

Taking a stance on a platform is taking a side. You clearly have taken the side that ISNT the Republican side.

What planks? Your hyberbolic versions? Be a tad more specific.

(Oh yeah. I do hope the GOP wins too.!! I can't think of anything that is better under Obama than it was under Bush)

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"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."Senator Obama

Parties not individuals get something done. Your values appear to me to align more closely to the Democrat party. You are clearly aligned against the Republican party which really on gives you one choice.

So if you vote for an independent who you think is the best candidate and it allows a Republican to win office instead and then congress goes to the Republicans, the agenda that will be put forth will be the exact opposite of what you believe in.

So you pick a party that closely aligns with your values, vote for the "best candidate" in the primary but then support whomever wins that party nomination. Even if it wasn't your best candidate.

If more people did that rather that sanctimoniously believing they have risen above the fray by picking the "best candidate", we'd see less of what we are seeing in congress. I think you'd see more politicians being statesman rather than politicians.

Those people in the middle that can be distracted by shiny objects and promises of chickens in every pot cause more damage than good.

This opinion of mine is not party centric, it applies for both parties.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."Senator Obama

Blue Nation wrote:This poll reflects the difficult ACA rollout and the unending GOP effort to poison the public attitude toward it and to smear Obama and the democrats at every turn. It's surprising the numbers are as close as they are. That suggests the democrats have weathered the storm and the GOP's credibility has suffered.

Over the next six months as the benefits of the ACA become better understood, as the economic recovery continues, and as our involvement in Afghanistan winds down, the blue line will trend up and the red line will trend down. The GOP will not win the senate and they will struggle to hold their dubious majority in the House despite all of their gerrymandering and vote rigging.

What in the world are you smokin'? Oops, I forgot dope is legal now!

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson