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Bullhead

You state, " As I said, the founding fathers did not have health insurance."

Yet, they had health issues and expenses!

SO, why didn't they get government to mandate "free" health-care for all from the get-go since you seem to think your line of reasoning is more in line with our nation's founders on this topic than my line of reasoning?

BeepBeep

BH "That is one of the dumbest statements that I have read. They had insurance systems." OK, again, there is a difference between health care and health insurance. Health insurance didn't exist before around 1920. As I said, the founding fathers did not have health insurance.

realitycheck

"Insurance rates in Indiana will increase 72 percent for those with individual plans and 8 percent for small group plans under President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, according to the state’s insurance department."

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CO, after a long and thoughtful pondering of your revelation about the lack of escalators in Wyoming, I feel it needs to be pointed out that Barrack Obama never uttered a public word or promised anyone that he would do anything to rectify that tragic situation in Wyoming.

BeepBeep

"Yet, I guess you would say that the founder's fought to mandate that everyone pay for health insurance or a collective medical system?" No health insurance wasn't a part of the times. However, they did set up a government that can take care of such unforeseen problems. Smart weren't they?

Bullhead

You state, "As time has shown, it was a greatly flawed document that denied fundamental rights to women while codifying slavery."

You've tried this argument before, I believe.

And as I pointed out to you last time, it was properly amended (using the very amendment process that is contained in the document itself) to remedy the lack of Freedom.

It is interesting to me how many of our amendments over the years have extended Freedom for more, yet it is my recent "Progressive" comrades who try to use a "living interpretation" of the Constitution to limit people's Freedom by such things as Obamacare.

DontTreadOnME

So contrast tell us exactly how it is flawed oh great one...nowhere in that document did it deny "fundemental" rights to anyone, in fact just the opposite it gave these fundamental right (eventually) to all. Do you think that slavery would have ended if the colonies had remained under the British crown? Why do you live in a country that is so "flawed"? There are several that would do better to meet your socialist views.

Bullhead

You state, ""The whole "big" business, has grown in lock step with the federal government growth." So government is responsible for big business. Told you we were turning to an oligarchy."

That isn't "oligarchy". What you describe is corporatism--exactly what Obama and the Democrats forced through with Obamacare, bail-outs, auto industry take-overs, green-industry funding, etc.

An oligarchy is closer to what we have in today's politics with the U.S. Supreme Court where five unelected judges write legislation to force 330,000,000 people in 50 different states to abide by their dictate.