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Sometimes you stare at a library - and it is so imperfect - but somehow there is so much happening around it. And I am far from idealizing that - I don't like how the community chooses not the optimal solutions - but you need to accept that. It has to do a lot with the fact that programmers like learning - so when they manage a complex framework it gives them a boost and they don't try to evaluate how really useful it is.

Wow, that's a bit more dystopian than I intended my post to be. I'm certainly not saying that I think Catalyst is imperfect. I'm saying that they have worse PR than RoR. Much worse. Maybe it was a mistake to look at RoR before Catalyst -- maybe I'd have been more impressed by Catalyst if I hadn't seen the slick RoR video first.

Also, one goal of Web.pm -- remains to be seen how well it works -- is to dispassionately investigate other web libraries, looking for sweet spots, and stealing them, thereby setting