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I dont think hugo was gay!! i mean, not one part of the movie stated djali as a boy, and i dont think hugo knew if he was a girl or boy. i thought he was a girl untill i saw the making of "hunchback" on some tv special. I also thought rajia from aladdin was a girl too. i donno why i just thought the new rajia sounded like a girl's name and i dont thin one part of the movie stated him as being a boy either. disney needs to be specific about that cause some people(like me) are going to get confused! hey! i know this has nothing to do w/ tlk, but it has something to do w/ the pooh/toad thing.
ok i was looking threw this entertainment magazine and it talked about it. like, they gave these kids ranging from the ages 6-12 and they asked them questions about pooh and mr toad. every kid new everything about pooh and ALL the kids didnt even know what mr toad was! thats like the reason for doing this, which really ticks me offf! i mean, disney has sssooooooooooooooo much room to add new rides, why cant they just add the pooh ride and leave mr toad be, i mean mr toad is a classic and that ride has been there since forever!!! im just sooooo sick of pooh! i used to LOVE pooh, but that was before he got popular, and then when everyone went crazy over him and you saw pooh logos at the turn of every corner i kinda got sick of him. the many adventures of winnie the pooh is the one of the most boring disney classic films ive ever seen! well, im sorry i waisted room here about how much i cant stand pooh, ill shut up now

hmm... what do u think 'bout that lion theory?
do u think it was Kovu? I watched it again, & I admit is was kinda odd. but if he wasn't so
"carttony" & moved more like the lions in TLK it might have been him. besides, its too
much of a coincidence with the Scar rug & all.
teen herc walked funny too. he walked like he had 2 giant titans strapped to his feet.... (:
Hong Kong Phooey, no I didn't think u hated me or yelled at me. I'm sorry too.....
(ooooooooooooooooh!)
I'm from the faraway holly land! umm... I think... I'm from israel & I don't know if we
exactly hated TLK but it didn't go very well...
I have no TLK loving friends (except 1 disney loving friend & 1 half TLK lover), & the only
one I can talk REAL TLK with is my 5 year old cousin. pretty pathetic, uh?
Cold Dragon, lightning storms?!
I'm boiling my butt here! good thing the summer vacation had started today. going to
school today is like going to take a stroll.... on a pan....
sorry for all the herc stuff, Brian, its just that SP doesn't have many new stuff, the may
10th preview had fluttered away from our minds & now we have to wait 5 months for it to
come out... so I'm stalling..... ((;

we are one

Jun 21 - 02:54

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First
Let me say that Disney has had controversial topics before that I think went completly unnoticed, like the dalmation thing. There was a major one in Hunchback. The one gargoyle (Hugo) was gay. He was hitting on Dali ( pardon spelling) the goat. The goat was male and so was the gargoyle, but I guess there was enought other stuff in the movie to complain about that it was overlooked.

Second
I thought that Hunchback was an attempt by Disney to play to a older audiance. The thing that detracted from it was the gargoyles song and the Horrable cartoon violence (solders getting hit with heavy objects and just walking away, instead of being bloody spots).

Third
I just saw Mulan and loved it!!!!!!!
It is not as good as TLK but still very good! Any way it makes up for what Hunchback lacked. Violence is well done not hidious but it is there. Plus the humor was wonderful and on an adult leavel. Most of the charictors are well rounded too.

SO WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TLK ?

Plenty I think that Disney is wising up and realizing that adults make up a large portion of there viewing audiance.
I can also tell you there were very few kids in the theather tonight when I saw Mulan, the place was full thought. There were groups of adults who had come to see it with out kids. There was a group near me that said they had taken the kids yesterday and now they were seeing it agian by themselves !
All this leads me to believe that Disney will be gearing SP to adults as much as kids!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong Disney will still have kids as the primary selling point, but adults will now play a big part too.

Sorry I wrote so much but with lighting storms everynight here I don't know when I will get here again to state my opinion.
Also pardon my typos.

Just a whole bunch of thoughts :)

Jun 20 - 20:35

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No Beerit, I don't hate you. Perhaps I did go too far. I guess you have your reasons for liking Hercules. I did think Meg and the villains were cool. I am sorry !!

Could you give us a clue as to where you are? I'm curious to hear which country responded unfavorably to TLK. I have read a number of negative reviews of TLK from European sources. Are you from Europe? I don't mean to be nosy, I'm just curious.

::ahem:: I thought Hercules was okay, but I could never bear to watch it 3-4 times a day. UGH! I HATED TEEN HERC! (sorry for shouting.) His calves were huge! And he stood funny! and- just everything! Auegh!! Adult Herc was a little better. I guess Pegasus was my fave there...
Anyway, back to SP/TLK...

I got TLKoB today after hearing so much about it, and it was GREAT! my two favorite songs on there are "Morning Report" and "The Madness Of King Scar" I went to my grandmother's and i just had to dig out my old discman to listen to it in the car!

Has anyone done any fan art of Vitani or Nuka yet? I have (although all I had to work off of was a name tag) Now I've read that Nuka is bad, but what about Vitani? Does anyone have any info whatsoever on her?

Beerit, I apologize about saying your WAVs on your SP site didn't work. It was my computer being weird. Well, I fixed the problem and I have been listening to "We Are One" endless times!

Would anyone here that has a site be willing to accept fanfic INSPIRED by TLK? I have been writing "The Calypso Chronicles" a series of stories about Calypso, a young lioness princess, and her family. Oh, they don't live in Africa, they live in a different dimension, in a world called Coralia (But the portion they inhabit is very much like Africa)...Well, the plot of the first story "The Great Quest of Calypso and Galaxy" (real creative name, eh?) is real complicated. If you're the least bit interested, E-Mail me at:
KrzyKatMer@aol.com
OR
XTooncesX@aol.com

its good to know u're loved......
c'mon, dont go that far. surely u dont hate me for liking herc, do u?
teen herc was a whiner, was'nt he?
quite yamperin', ya little......
I likes "go the distance"!
c'mon! the least u can do is respect that.
besides, like I said before, TLK had the worse reviews ever here, & ever since I saw it I swore I'd never listen to anyone's opinion but my own. that's fair enough, isn't it?

we are one
go the distance (let me say that here just this once...) (:

Jun 20 - 18:33

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Beerit, the fact that you like Hercules so much makes me lose all respect I had for you!

I guess everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but I've never hated a Disney animated film until "Hercules."

I loved "Goofy." At least the characters had personality and didn't WHINE like teenage Herc.

If you want to clear a room in one second, put in a video of "Hercules" and play the "Go the Distance" scene. Everyone in the room will flee.

Sarria, we all knew what u told us. Kiara doesn't mean anything (yes yes, I checked),
Kovu is scar (but of course), Zazu & Nala doesn't mean anything (does it?), timon is
nothing too? hmmm.... I cant recall......
but mufasa was the name of the last king of Kenya, or some country in africa, that I know.
yes, I said it before, all kinds of words that include "nuka" in 'em r owder related. & the
word Nuka itself is "stink"

hmmm. I think I'm starting to like hercules more then TLK.... ):
I just watched TLK so many times its starting to bore me. that's why I'm so into SP. I
need something new.
but I watch herc 3-4 times a day. oh, no!!!!! I'm a hercaholic!!!!!!!!!!
the bummering part is that the hercules internet community is failing big time! almost
every herc site is in geocities. (no real ones.....).
so I'm stuck..... >weep<
Dara, u nuts?!? the music in Hercules is the only thing that keeps me going! its great!
but your right 'bout herc. he was pretty stupid.... I liked many characters!
meg, hades, Pegasus (what a cool horse!!!), the fat (umm.... dimensionally challenged)
muse, phil. wow.... great movie... I cant decide which character I like best. I guess meg &
Pegasus. (kiwi)
but it grows on ya. u start noticing details for the 1000 time u see it. that's how it was with
TLK for me. it grew on me. herc rules! TLK rules! SP rules! batman forever rules! & so &
so....
I hated teenager herc too. he was more stupid then my cat. (ski ski)
& that's tough!!! his legs were too big. & when he says "I've got to know..." & looks
onward, he looks like something the cat dragged in.... (ski ski)
I admit the character animation wasn't that great (I liked looking at meg's waste line. it
kept going left-right-left-right-left-right-left-right it was cool....)
& when herc is battling the 3 headed monster & Pegasus comes to the rescue, u see
the computerized monster & Pegasus & he look like the most amatured movie ever! I
liked the backgrounds though.
like on mount olinpus! that place was more impressive then PR! (well, it is the home of
the gods...) (;

George of the Jungle wasn't tarzan exactly. it was kinda. umm... jungle book meets TLK
meets goofy's dumb & pointless adventure. ((;
it was a wonderful movie (& it had that TLK ending! I found that least amusing, as for my
friends who couldn't stop laughing all the way home.... dumb gag....)
Alexander, I hated pain & panic, & loved Phil, Pegasus, and Zeus, & I will keep making
that point until I m finally heard!!!!
eeeerrr..... sorry guys, its just hard hearing about u hating hercules. what if all of a
sudden some of us would start hating TLK? the other ones will be bummed out.... )):
>weep?<
Kara, didn't Nala have blue eyes?? & what was Kiara's eyes color???? red like simba?!
Timin, go to the info section in my site for full briefing. (www.lionking.org/~ari)
Ducky, your message was hilarious.... ((((((; keep going!

hey.... hmmm... oh my god!!!!!!! I discovered Kovu!!!!!!!! back to herc!!!!
u know there's a pert where he kicks some lion's rear??? that lion looks just like Kovu,
just goofier, & has white nails. but I swear its Kovu! u think?
first Scar as a rug then Kovu?
(to whom it may concern, the Scar as a rug thing, is when phil cleans his face with a
lion's skin the is scar. not looks like, is!
what!??!?!?!!? baby herc was like, the cutest thing ever! no, baby Pegasus... no, baby
simba.... oh, all right! they're all the cutest thing around!
>kiwe<

I never though Zira was nothing less then the brains. I don't know why. the way she was
described just said it all.......

the Panther, sounds like u need therapy.... just kidding, u're right, but would u trade u're
human life for the life of a Panther? I know I would! they're
so primordial they don't know what they're missing, so they live they're life in peace. ever
seen a white wolf chasing down a black one?
Amira, bummer. I know how its like to have n internet hating mom. oh, no! I was on line
too long this month!! oh, my mom's gonna kill me......
oh, I'll blame it on my brother..... (:

shenzi & ducky, sudden death to winnie the pooh!!!!!! lets make some car seats off his
big fat belly!!!!!!
I didn't know that mr. toad but hey, if u're unhappy, I'm unhappy, so here goes..... >weep<
>weep< >weep<

we are one

p.s. sorry for the loooooong message, I've neeb away for a long time. a total of 2 days!!!!!!!

Jun 20 - 16:25

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I guess a lot of people liked Balto, but I thought it was incredibly boring and it seemed like the producers were trying extremely hard to make a Disney movie. I don't think they succeeded, and I guess the fact that the movie bombed proved this point. The movie was well made, but you can have the most beautiful artwork in the world but if the story is lacking, it is a big waste. I don't really see a TLK connection, aside from the fact that both films had well-drawn animals.

I hope and pray that Disney leaves the scary stuff in "Simba's Pride." I sure hope Disney tries to please everyone in the film instead of making it like a damn kiddie movie (I don't think SP will be like this, but I guess you never know). Surely kids won't be the only ones seeing SP.

Someone noted that Mulan wasn't getting as much hype as other Disney flicks. Well, I've read that Disney toned down its promotion by 25%, but to me the promotion is still way overboard. Audiences are getting very cynical about Disney animated movies lately, as it seems like the movies are all hype, and it is obvious that many characters in Disney films lately were created for merchandising purposes.

Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is a ride found at Disneyland in California and Walt Disney World in Florida. The ride is based on Disney's re-telling of "The Wind in the Willows" in which Mr. Toad acquires a speedy car and ends up in prison. In the ride, passengers ride out-of-conrol motorcars like Mr. Toad had and crash through a variety of obstacles, race through town, get sent to jail, face an oncoming train, and are then sent to Hell, complete with a Devil and little demons.

The Florida version could have used an update a while ago, as it hasn't really aged well. But the synergy obsessed Disney of today doesn't feel Mr. Toad can sell you a butt load of toys (though I don't believe Disney has EVER made Mr. Toad merchandise) and they feel Mr. Toad is "too scary." Boo hoo. So instead they want to put in a happy friendly Winnie the Pooh ride in which visitors ride in Hunny Pots through the Hundred Acre Woods. How cute. I have no problems with a Pooh ride, but it is outrageous to tear down the fun (and dark) Mr. Toad in favor of another damn product related to Pooh. Escpecially in Florida, where Disney has a TON of land (like I said, Walt Disney World is the size of San Fransisco).

Hope that answers some questions.

I'm glad a Simba's Pride series is NOT in the works, at least right now.

Dara, I totally agree with you in the Balto/TLK comparisons. Now that I think about, Star does seem like a talking Ed, Kaltag may be Shenzi, and Nikki ("Flathead" as i like to call him) seems like Banzai. Steele does remind me of Scar a little, and then I think about the scene where Steele tries to get Jenna to go out with him, remibds me of the "Seducing Sarabi" scene cut out of TLK. Balto reminds me ALOT of Adult Simba, which is probably one of the reasons I like him so much! His eyes remind me of Simba, too. I love "Balto" a lot, but not as much as TLK. But they are pretty close! I don't feel very hyper like I usually do..Rhythm Of The Pride Lands does that to me. =) Boris doesnt really remind me of Timon or Pumbaa but he, Muk, and Luk (the polar bears) are sort of a comic relief like Timon and Pumbaa. Ohh! I just thought of this! At the end of TLK, the hyenas turn on Scar and kill him, right? Well, in Balto, the three dogs were really on Balto's side all along if you noticed, they just feared Steele too much. Then, when Balto leads the team home and he is the hero, we can claerly see that Nikki, Kaltag and Star have turned on Steele, only they didn't kill him...Well, it's sort of a comparison.

~Krazy Kat #1 Adult-Simba-Holic~
We Are One
Busa Simba
He Lives In You
Hakuna Matata and all that other stuff that everyone puts at the end. =)

Jun 20 - 11:56

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"Insight", TOO scary for kids will be GREAT for me!! I think because of the scary parts SP will not be for little kiddy's!!! That's good news for us!! I hope now they WON'T cut these parts!!!

I went too a store where they sell a lot of Disney stuff. I wanted to buy a BIG Simba, and I did. And because I live in Europe, I asked the woman behind the counter if she new anything about SP, but she didn't. Dang! A man, who's an owner of a sort of Disney store NEW about the existence of SP!! So he will at least keep an eye on it! He is at least as anxious as we are! Has anybody who lives in Europe heard something about SP??

Shenzi, I also don't like Winny the Pooh! Far too childish!! I do like tigger and Eeyore, like Krazy Kat, but more because of the plushies, which are VERY beautiful! I do have Eeyore, my sister has Tigger…. But for the rest, it's nothing!
I whish we had jungle cubs here! Maybe it's just for little kids, but I would like to see how Baloo, Bageera and the rest looks like. It must be funny. Surely if the do it with Jungle Book, why not doing a TLK prequel?
Oh and yes, Frolly is the most disgusting man Disney ever made!!! Yeagh!!
Shenzi, if you cannot download the rest of the Chronicle Stories, you'll have to try later (days later perhaps)…
I had that too, it could be that your server isn't working properly. I whish I could send it too you, but my mail server only supports 67 Kb!! I hate it, but alas… the stories ar more than 200 Kb!

Mmmm, Janet does make it very complicated….
Hong Kong Phooey/ Ducky (or anybody else) what is this Mr. Toads wild ride thing??

If Disney have no diffuculties in showing the Dalmations offspring loving each other, then…. I surely don't see any problem when Kovu (son of Scar) loves Kiara?

By the way, I've just seen Balto, and I thought there was much of TLK in it! Like Balto who could be Simba.
The leader of the sleighdogs could be Scar. And just what do you guys think of the 3 dogs who are compagnions of this leader?? Doesn't there ring a bell when you see that one stupid dog with his tongue hanging from his mouth?? I wouldn't say the goose would be another Timon or Pumbaa, but it sure did come close…. I'm sure the makers of Balto did watch TLK very well!! Oh, the leader of the sleigh dogs (I can't remember his name) whas voiced by Jim Cummings… who did the 'voice' of Ed in TLK. Just a little note…..

Is Mulan in the cinema yet??!
How is the movie???

Bye!!

Dara

Jun 20 - 11:35

Hong Kong Phooey

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Ducky, the URL for the "Tell Pooh to go to Hell" flyers is:

www.cs.miami.edu/~jam/toad/flyer.html

Enjoy!!

Jun 20 - 10:04

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Ok, despite the controversy over e-mailing Tad Stones, I did it anyway. I did NOT ask about information on "Simba's Pride" as it was stated that he was not working on it. I did, however, ask if there was a Simba's Pride series in the works, which is what someone posted on the rumor mill some time ago. The answer: There is NOT a Simba's Pride series in the works.

Swyft, "Busa" means "Rule" in Zulu. I'm pretty sure it's zulu because in the song "Busa" (Rhythm Of The Pride Lands) they still say "Simba" in the translation in the booklet. Now, if it were swahili, the translation would clearly state "Lion" which is what Simba means in Swahili. =)

I saw in an article that the preview of SP will be on the Flubber Video. LKII has been shown to preview audiences, and has gotten a very good response, except for quite a few scenes which were deemed too scary for kids. Also at a screening which showed upcoming Disney releases, the final colored version of the song of "We are One" was shown. It is looking really good. It looks like this will be HEAVILY promoted. Items like a Baby Pick-me-up Kiara, and Hallmark ornaments are scheduled to be released. There has not been a final print yet, so it is most likely that it is still in production, or the final touches being put on.
I can't wait for it to be released later this year.

Jun 20 - 05:27

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What I meant was that I think -- I think he quit. He's about 16 now; we're close pretty much, though I'm younger. :P (I'm closer to a friend of his, actually)

Anyway, I think he /did/ -- that's what I meant. He /did/, but I think he doesn't do it anymore. Anyway, to clear up the confusion. :)

Neema

Jun 19 - 22:02

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Of course, they need to close down the one in florida cause i live closer to there! im going in july so i can see one last glimps of mr toad:*( hong kong, whats the url for the page tell pooh to go to hell cause id like to go there!!!

on happier news, i saw mulan today. it was really good! but, it wasnt even close to the lion king, i thought it would be better! but what ya gonna do?

Jun 19 - 20:14

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Ducky, you aren't the only one who's upset that Disney is shutting down Mr. Toad's Wild Ride to turn it in to a Winnie the Pooh ride (I should make it clear that they are tearing down the one in Florida, not the one in California). In fact, if you want to learn about it all, check out:

www.savetoad.com

Be sure to check out the "Save Toad" flyers on the page which say "Tell Pooh to go to Hell". I should point out for any of you who aren't familiar with the ride that in the ride's finale, you are sent to Hell, complete with little devils, so this message has a double meaning.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Toad rallies have helped Mr. Toad too much. Word is that the Pooh ride is a go, and Mr. Toad will be shut down by this Fall (as soon as the new Buzz Lightyear ride opens in Tomorrowland).

It is very sad to me that Disney is closing Mr. Toad. Granted, the ride hasn't aged well, but then again Disney hasn't refurbished it since 1971!! The version of the ride at Disneyland in California was completely rebuilt in 1983 (it isn't leaving) and is nicely done. I don't understand why Disney doesn't just update the Florida version like the California one and build the damn Pooh ride somewhere else (Walt Disney World is about the size of San Fransisco for Pete's sake!!!).

Also, I don't have a big problem with the 101 Dalmatians series. In fact, I think a couple episodes were really good, but the ones that focus on the IDIOT Anita and her husband Roger dealing with Cruella are some of the absolute worst things Disney has done in recent memory.

Neema, you THINK your friend is the voice of Tripod? How close are you two?

Sorry for my ramblings, but Pooh is really ticking me off lately, which got me talking about poor Mr. Toad.

Hey; don't knock Dalmations. I'm kidding -- but my friend is a character there. Tripod, I think. Anyway, the show is dumb... anyway... 'nough of my blabberin'. :)

Neema

Jun 19 - 19:53

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THEY ARE DOING WHAT TO THE MR TOAD RIDE!!!!!!!!????? that is like my favorite rde how can they do that! i am beyond pissed right about now!!!!!!! im so sick of pooh! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Jun 19 - 19:02

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Shenzi, I agree with you in your displeasure with the TONS of Winnie the Pooh junk EVERYWHERE. I guess he is really appealing to some people, especially to many women who love shopping, hence the thousands of Pooh items for ladies. What's up with that, anyway? I would figure women would be kind of anti-Pooh, seeing as how Kanga is the only female character in the Pooh universe. Can any of you gals out there fill us in on the Pooh mania (by the way, I'm aware that women aren't the only ones who are Pooh-crazy, but they sure do buy a great deal of the stuff).

Yes, the Disney Store and Catalog might as well be named The Pooh Store and Pooh Catalog.

One of the most unfortunate cases of Pooh taking over Disney is the fact that Walt Disney World's Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is being shut down so it will become a Pooh ride. What a shame. Disney certainly has changed.

I think the Disney Store Simba and Nala bean bags are pretty good, but they aren't as nice as the Simba's Pride ones. Remember though that the Lion King ones were among the first big wave of bean bags to come through. Disney seems to be putting more stuff on the newer bean bags. If Simba were to debut right now, I bet he would have been bigger, had a furry tip on his tail, and have those black ear circles that the current Simba toy lacks.

In response to the Dalmatian question: yes, there was incest in that episode, but no, nothing like that will happen in SP due to the fact that Eisner nixed any notions of that for the Sequel. I have no idea how the Dalmatian thing slipped by, but I suppose maybe it could be that few adults would care about that series, while SP will be viewed by a greater number of people of all ages.

I agree, Dalmatians is a bad show, though I thought the new character designs were pretty nifty and did well on TV (except maybe for Cruella). The series could have been much better, but I have never been a fan of 101 Dalmatians movies as the whole thing was really just a big chase scene. No real characters either, except for Cruella.

I also thought Jungle Cubs was an OK series, though the second season that just aired (in which most of the characters were redesigned and given new voices) was pretty awful. Season one of Jungle Cubs was similar in many ways to the first part of The Lion King where Simba was a cub.

Jun 19 - 18:10

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sorry I posted twice...i was just thought my first post didn't go on, so i put another one on, sorry.

Hey!
Shenzi, I totally agree with you. Way too much Pooh stuff in stores! I like Tigger and Eeyore, but let's not get carried away! TLK is much better than Pooh anyday. It would be neat if they came out with a tee shirt w/ Simba, Kiara and Kovu on it or something. I do like the SP beanies too; I don't like the SP stuff eToys is putting out. I also agree with you on the Simba and Nala beanies, they are a bit wrinkly. But I guess it's kinda hard to make beanies based on such wonderfully drawn characters.
By the way, does anyone here belong to the Lion King Mailing list? Just wondering because I joined today.

~Krazy Kat #1 Adult-Simba-Holic~

Jun 19 - 16:58

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i think tlk's makeing a come back. YES !!! its about time. for so long the only thing i saw in the disney store was winnie the pooh , little mermaid, toy story, and beauty and the beast stuff. i was pissed because tlk is the best but they had no tlk merchandise except the beanie babies and the stuffed animals which i've got. i only like the sp beanies, i think simba and nala are ugly.disney now has new tlk clothing and a cute hat but unfortunitly everything is for little kids. but at least they have tlk stuff and hopefully there will be more too for us people. hong kong phooey- i saw that episode of dalmations where lucky loved his sister, so why can't kovu be scar's son. that dalamation thing was real insest this kovu thing is nothing. by the way i think the dalmation cartoon sucks. jungle cubs was better. it was cute and the animation was okay. the animation in the dalmation cartoon is terrible ! dara, i passed all my tests. i wish i could download the other chronical stories but for some reason i can't. i like meg too, she's cool but she needed a hair cut. her hair weighed more than her pencile thin body. frollo was disgusting wasn't he ? scar is the best disney villain of all time, i don't know why everyone thinks the witch in sleeping beauty was so great. you know i'm sick of the disney store looking like a winnie the pooh store. i am sooo sick of winne and piglet. why is everyone obsessed with pooh ?? sometimes i feel like i'm the only one in new york that hates pooh and loves tlk. BUSA SIMBA!BUSA TLK (not pooh ) ! WE are 1.

Well -- for those who are anxious to know if there will be a soundtrack, here's the anwser:

Yes!

After seeing Mulan, which has no preview of SP whatsoever, I decided to buy the soundtrack. So, then, at the coming attractions sign they had at the music store, what else did my eyes come upon? The obvious : Lion King 2 Oct 27. Anyway, that's my info for now. :)

Neema
Jun 19 - 15:40

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No SP info, but I just wanted to say that I love that Kovu pic you made, Candy!!!!!!:) The mane looks cool, and for some reason the eyes remind me a bit of Balto. Make TONS more!!!

Hi!
I don't have any info but I was wondering if someone could plllleeeaassseee send me "We Are One" in Wav format if you can? I downloaded off of Beerit's page but it came out all funky. My computer can be so stupid. My E-Mail address is KrzyKatMer@aol.com OR XTooncesX@aol.com. Thanks a lot!

~Krazy Kat #1 Adult-Simba-Holic~

Jun 19 - 12:44

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Janet...WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????

Jun 19 - 12:29

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Candy, you're picture of adult Kovu is really great!!! I think he can be more muscular, but for the rest he's perfect! Keep on drawing more!!!!

mmm, that's all for today.

See ya!!

Dara

Jun 19 - 11:18

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I've decided to wait for SP to come out and not hear anything else about it,.......I want everything to be a surprise.

I know this may be real, stupid to say, but I was reading an earlier post that said Vitani MIGHT be Kovu's sister, but I seriously doubt it... Nuka is probably just another lion in Scar's pride, probably, but then, I have NO idea if he is closely related to Kovu too. I mean, Vitani and Nuka are probably younger then Zira, so why would she "hire" a couple of youngsters to...um...oh nevermind.....

LOL.

P.S. I'm sorry for accusing you like that Elyse. Just remember what Simba said,..."We are one"...right?

P.S.S. Not to be rude, but how would Amira know you were being suggestive, Elyse?

OK that's the end of the subject, so I'm going to drop it for myself. Let's start talk about SP instead. LOL.

cya

Jun 19 - 10:07

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Don't believe everything you hear, even if you want to believe it, don't get your hopes up. Here's one of the stories that seems promising enough to read out of one of the websites: The plot of Simba's Pride has been in almost constant revision since rumours of a Lion King sequel began bouncing around in 1995. Originally the story centered on Simba's cubs--his son Chaka and daughter Shani--and his coming to terms with them
growing up. Later, the focus of the story changed to Shani and her boyfriend Kovu; Chaka became an extraneous character and was written out of subsequent drafts of the script. It was revealed that Kovu was the son of Simba's murderous arch-nemesis Scar; the fact that Shani was in love with Scar's offspring, and that as such the next king of the Pride Lands would
be of Scar's get, would be understandably difficult for Simba to accept, and this conflict was to be the main thrust of the story.

The plot, and character names, changed once again; Kovu became Nunka, a conniving villain who was to seduce the princess Aisha in order to gain control of the throne he believes was stolen from Scar by Simba. (It is now known that Nunka is actually Nuka, a cub who is apparantly from the same pride as Kovu but probably not connected with Simba or Simba's daughter in any significant way.)

Another story revision takes us back closer to the first plot in which Simba's little girl--now called Kiara--and Kovu are in love with each other. However, Kovu was reared by Scar's widow, Zira, to infiltrate Simba's pride and take over the throne one day. Kovu therefore starts out as a villain (or at least a villain-in-training), but becomes a good guy when he befriends Kiara.

Some other, somewhat more outrageous rumours have been flying too: that Sarabi will either die during the film or simply be written out of the story; that Simba will be killed in a climactic battle with Scar's pride; that Timon, Pumbaa and Zazu will all get girlfriends. Mufasa is also said to make a ghost--er, guest appearance.

Finally, one rumour stated that Simba will have two daughters: the older adolescent Kiara and her little sister, Shani. Most likely the 'two daughters' theory is a misinterpretation of the fact that two voice actresses will portray Kiara--one as a cub, the other as an adult. This, like all other rumours, is open to interpretation; we'll probably never know all the facts for sure until the video comes out in October.

Here's something I just copied from my USA Today: "Low interest for Win 98 SEATTLE - Overall shipments will be strong for Microsoft Corp.'s revamped Windows 98 operating system, but there's only "modest to low" interest in upgrading existing computers, a report by the research company Dataquest said Wednesday. Since many of its features already are available, Windows 98 itself is not sufficient reason for many users -- and most businesses -- to upgrade." So its just like I said before: doesn't look like there's too much worth getting Windows 98 for. I hope it flops. They're just trying to make their Internet Explorer crush Netscape. BTW, pre-sale means you can go to the store on Aug. 4 (or later) and pay for Simba's Pride, then when it comes out on Oct. 27 you walk back in the store and pick up your reserved copy. It doesn't really make that much of a difference unless SP is going to be so popular that even all the unreserved copies sell out in a day. Also, sometimes when you pre-order something you might be able to get some little extra things, like a limited edition poster or mug or something. Don't know what will happen with SP though.

Hi again,
I don't really have any info on SP, but I do have two questions. I read on an SP page that Disney added 80 new feet of footage. Does anyone know how much, in minutes that is? And I also read the release date is october 27th, but it will be on Pre-Sale August 4th. What is pre-sale? Just wondering.

hi again, no info, but an, shall we call it plead, i am doing a lion king site in swedish, and i would like everybody that make TLK and SP fan drawings to send some to me, everybody hwo posts any fan art on my site gets full credit for it, Please mail me,
Thank you,
i wont give the adddress yet, have downloaded the html code but no graphics, it looks cind of empty, but il post the adress here when im done wether you like it or not

the Panther

Jun 18 - 15:22

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whoah this is a great site! lotsa cool stuff here!
candy that pic looks more like Scar than Kovu hes too skinny ya know? and i didnt know amira but see ya!

Uhh . . . I didn't think Elyse was being rude and I hope that Amira can retain her internet access. My dad keeps getting it, then getting rid of it. And for Elyse (Fur elise?): I think that Disney just barely put the beanies up. If you can't find it on a search then go to disney.com, then go to "shop", then go to "mini bean bag plush" (In the left frame) then go to hot beans, then i think you might have to scroll down through the movie titles and they just barely added one for "lion king II: simba's pride" my site and its link show pretty much all the pertinent stuff from the disney link

This pic is for Berrits page but I drew Adult Kovu! HOW DOES IT LOOK?!:D

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3058/kovuadult1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3058/kovuadult2.jpg this pic has a backgorund;)

Jun 18 - 12:37

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Hehehe...your so funny..hehehehe.

Jun 18 - 11:36

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janet- how was i being rude? amira was the one who said her mom had a problem paying $20 a month for something that only amira uses. i wasn't trying to be cocky or rude i was trying to help out. suggesting a way that could possibly keep amira on the internet. not to be rude, but maybe you shouldn't be so cocky and jump to conclusions like that.
~elyse

I am really angry at everyone here! I just got over my addiction to TLK and then I stumbled across _this_ site, now I'm obsessed again. Thanks alot. BTW: I'm not really into plushies, does anyone know if there are any plastic collectable/action figure type things out for SP yet?

Jun 18 - 11:12

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I have not been in here for a LONG while! *grin*

Amira, I'm sorry that you're leaving! Too bad you couldn't stay!

Elyse, don't get so cocky. Amira was telling everyone how she felt. You don't have to get so rude. And she probably doesn't even know how much people pay to get the Internet, so watch your mouth.
(sorry, Brian.)

No SP info from me, so I'll shut up now. *grin*

cya

Jun 18 - 10:57

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kiara-holic.....the sp beanies are absolutely adorable. i saw them on your site, but how did you find them @ disney. i did a search for them but found nothing.
~~elyse

hi!
This is my first time posting here, but I've been reading it often. I, myself just bought the Kiara and Kovu beanies from The Disney Store (I saw eToys, they were hideous! egh!) but there are no Nuka or Vitani's here yet. I can't wait for SP to come out! The thing about Kovu being Scar's son, then he falls in love with Kira, etc. Maybe they will make Scar his father because Disney thinks that mostly little kids are going to see this (and this is where they are definitely wrong!) and the little kids don't understand inbreeding and relationships like that...mmm...maybe not.
But anyway, Beerit, I just hafta say Great Site once again!
I read somehwhere that Rhythm Of The Pride Lands was not that big of a hit the year it came out and many people took it back, but I enjoyed it! My favorite is probably "Busa". (I also love the "Busa" chorus when Simba is running through the desert returning to The Pride Lands)
Is Lebo M doing anything for SP? I hope so, because the zulu/swahili (I'm not sure which it was) chorus sure gave TLK emotion and boldness, in my opinion. Well, that's all I have 4 today.

If you go to the website I created for Kiara at: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/6372/kiara.html, then go to the "Links" section you can see the official picture of the Kiara and Kovu beanie babies from the Disney website. Clicking on the picture will take you right to that section of the site, but will tell you that they're only available from the Disney Store and not for online purchase. I think Disney just put this up today and since I'm up past midnight I was able to get it right away.

Christian aka Kiara-holic #1

Jun 18 - 04:40

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I was just looking at my Art of the Lion King book (minature edition)and I saw at the back something that was not in the movie. It showed a picture of a male lion on a rock, with lionesses in the back (one was a cub) and they were facing three lions coming out of a smoldering forest. I was just thinking that they could be Scar's pride and Simba feels sorry for them, so he invites them to stay in his pride a while. This could be how Kovu meets Kiara and they become best friends. I also think that Nuka and Vitani are Scar and Zira's cubs, while Kovu is Zira and some other lion's cub. This would work out as him being related to Nuka, Vitani, and Zira, but not Kiara. That way they can get married and have a happy ending. I don't know.... Well that's all. Sorry if I repeated anything..
Kara (Kiara

Jun 17 - 20:40

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I'm a TLK/RW fanatic (I wrote The Fire Inside and Kisasian's Son, if anyone wants to know) and I'm wondering one thing:
Who in the heck is Nuka??
And where o WHERE do ya get those SP beanie-babies???
*Kit, hyena of the Pride Lands*

Hi again, there is this place where anyone can submit stories and novells and such,i thought ide post the address here for anyone to submit there fan-fic to, come on, let the rest of the literature internet know the wonderfull world of The Lion King

Just a quick response to Panther. . .
I do agree with your wondering why humans are considered better that animals. I think it really is just that we have voices that are heard. Also we tend to see many things only from our point of view, I think one of human's big problems is that we always feel like we have to make everything bigger and better, rather that leave a good thing be. I admit to doing this myself, too.

Jun 17 - 11:54

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THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP AMIRA, I THINK WE WERE ALL A LITTLE PERPLEXED BY YOUR MESSAGES. I THINK YOU NEED TO POINT OUT THE EDUCATIONAL ASPECTS OF THE INTERNET. YOU HAVE THE WHOLE WORLD @ YOUR FINGERTIPS FOR ONLY $240 A YEAR. THAT'S A BARGAIN IF YOU ASK ME. IF I WERE YOU I WOULDN'T MENTION THE TLK PORTION OF THE INTERNET TOO MUCH. I KNOW HOW INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IT IS TO ME & THE REST OF US WHO VISIT IT, BUT FROM A PARENTS'S STAND POINT IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORTH $20 A MONTH. GOOD LUCK!

PANTHER...AMAZINGLY ENOUGH I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU THIS TIME. I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHEN IT WAS AND WHO IT WAS THAT DETERMINED THAT HUMANS WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANIMALS. IT KILLS ME. WE WERE ALL PUT HERE FOR A REASON. JUST BECAUSE HUMANS CAN VERBALIZE THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS DOES NOT MAKE THEM THE "SUPERIOR" SPECIES. I LIVE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND EVERY YEAR MORE AND MORE ANIMALS SUCH AS BEARS AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE COMING INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WE HAVE THE NERVE TO ACT LIKE THEY ARE INTRUDING ON US WHEN IN ALL REALITY IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE DEVELOPING HOUSES IN THEIR NATURAL HABITAT. THEY LIVED THERE FIRST. WE'RE SHOCKED WHEN THEY GET INTO OUR GARBAGE SCAVENGING FOR FOOD. WELL, DUH!! IF WE LEFT THERE HOMES ALONE THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FOOD AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO OUR HOUSES LOOKING FOR FOOD. IN MY OPINION ANIMALS ARE THE "SUPERIOR" BEING. THEY WILL NEVER LIE TO YOU AND THEY WILL LOVE YOU UNCONDITIONALLY. THAT'S MUCH MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR ANY HUMAN I'VE EVER MET.
~~ELYSE

Just a litle wiew on this with animals and humans in animatd features by disney,

i also like the pictures containing only animals best, because i respect animals in a way i never can respect a human, An animal will never make a promise, therefore an animal will never brake a promise, ive never seen an animal braking the circle of life, when the human race became inteligent it got a big responsibility, given the intelligens to evolve, to build machines, to brake the circle of life, we have broken every rule of nature. Hwo can trust us, an animal you can trust to keep its place in the circle of life, for else it will perish, we have broken every rule of the circle of life, and were about to perish, i think that every human sole is aware of all this deep inside, maybe thats why animals was chosen to bring the message of the circle of life to the people in the Lion King, beacause they would never take a human seriusly,,,.

does anyone agree with me??

the Panther

Jun 17 - 09:01

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I still don't think that Kovu is Scar's son, but I stand corrected on something: Disney HAS made a cartoon containing "forbidden love" or rather INBREEDING.

Have any of you ever seen "101 Dalmatians" the animated series? In one episode, Lucky has the hots for and even dates his sister Two-Tone (taking her to a Fall barn dance).

I suppose you could say that Lucky and Two-Tone aren't from the same litter, but in the (horrible) live-action version of "101 Dalmatians" Lucky and Two Tone are both Pongo and Perdita's puppies. Two Tone wasn't in the animated feature. However, the animated series appears to be a blend of both movies, plus a brand new twist was added for the TV show.

At any rate, Lucky had the hots for his sister (or at the very least, stepsister).

And I won't even get in to the fact that on the series, a PIG (named Dumpling) had the hots for Lucky and she wanted to date HIM!

Quite a twisted little show, but I guess it is OK if it is about animals.

Jun 17 - 08:14

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uhh . . . i think you mean "braun"

(not "bronze")

Jun 17 - 03:58

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I'm inclined to agree with elyse about Zira probably being the brains of the bunch. Why? Well, she has been described as Scar's widow, and you can kind of figure that since he gave himself a lot of credit for being intelligent, he probably wouldn't be all too interested in a lioness that wasn't much brighter than a hyena (sorry if there are any hyenas out there, but, think of Ed, certainly not all that smart ;) ) Second, and correct me if I get this quote wrong, but I think it was Rudyard Kipling that said that "it is the female of the species that is the most dangerous." and I think we can all agree that it's brains over bronze.
Hmmm. That's a lot of rambling for two cents. ;)
Bye.

Can Amira explain please why she's leaving the internet? I might be one of the few people here that doesn't hate Hercules. I totally regret having paid for the stupid soundtrack and the part where he was a teenager was kind of dumb but overall I liked it.

For those who do NOT know where the heck I'm going, I'm leaving the Internet...I don't know if I'll ever return back to this rumor mill, so keep it up, TLK lovers!

bye.

Jun 16 - 18:33

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Kara, there wasn't a Vitani bean bag, but I did notice her eyes. The SP bean bags are NOT the same as eToys, they are a MUCH MUCH better quality. I have the eToys, and when I compare them, I just have to laugh!! I love the Disney SP's eyes
Anyways, I have no new rumors so I should go now.
BUSA SIMBA

Just wanted to let people know that Kiara and Kovu are some of the newest Disney Bean Bag toys... They're both adorable! They also come with attached tags that have the 'TLK- Simba's Pride' logo on it.
SD

Jun 16 - 18:06

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I was just wondering, why does everyone here ate hercules? i loved it!!! its one of those disney movies thats just there to make you laugh(like aladdin). tlk was hilarious too, but its main purpose was to teach a lesson and stuff,it had meaning. aladdin and hercules were "feel good" movies that the main purpose was to make you laugh, not to exactly teach. what made me mad about hercules is that they distorted hercules WAY to much! ok, when he was a baby he looked like an ape cause his arms were longer than his body! then when he was a teen, his feet and hands were huge but the rest of his body was skinny. then, when he was allll grown up, his muscles were like huge!! and meg is a whole nother story! her waist was probubly the size of my rist, but then she had mile long hips! and she was about the same size as hercules arm! i just wish that disney didnt make all the women anerexically skinny! i know people wanna see slimness, but they could give them alittle mre meat! thats one reason i liked the lion king, they had everyone pretty much the right size:) and whats wrong w/ the music? i liked it! (i guess im the odd ball arent i?) it was pretty good,but NO disney music compares to the hunchback, that music just blew me away. i know i should be cheering for tlk music, that was awsome too, but hunchback was the best, i think,, in music. beerit, i liked meg too, shes not like all the other disney girls. most of the girls that they make are well, anoyying! jasmine was the absolute worst! half way threw the movie i was like "can i slap her now?" i love aladdin, one of my favorites, but she just made me sooo angry! nala was cool though, she was probubly one of the best. pochahontis made me mad too, but that whole movie sucked and i dont wanna get into it! all together, i think, tlk and aladdin were the best movies.

Jun 16 - 15:34

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I think it is about time that we recap everything we know about the sequel so far, can anyone do a recap becuase i'm really lost about somethings like who's exacly who is Kovu's dad.

About this Tarzan movie i have heard that Edger Rice Burroes estate is really picky about how Edgers storys are protrayed. But don't ask me why Tarzan and the lost city was so awful maybe they dropped the ball on that movie

Jun 16 - 14:52

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Lioness, the Kovu, Kiara, Pumbaa, Timon, and Nala stuff you saw at the Disney store, is that the beanie babies or something else? Did anyone notice that Vitani has blue eyes? I'm sorry but that is sort of weird for a Lion King character. I think she's the first to have blue eyes, I just find that very strange...
Well that's all, Kara (Kiara)
We Are One

Jun 16 - 14:43

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one more thing, I asked the guy there if Kovu was Scars son and he said he doesnt think so. I told him that scar had another pride, and he said that he didnt,only the hyenas. Then he said that the movie hasnt come out yet. (like we didnt know that) so he isnt sure. But I think Kovu is scars son, or at least brought up as an adopted son or something along that line. :P
we r 1

Jun 16 - 12:22

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guess what??!!At the Disney store there's Kovu, Kiara, Nala, Timon, and Pumbaa! (I got kovu kiara nala) They all look great except for Pumbaa, which I admit looks kinda ugly.So grab your moola and head over to the store! They are all 6 bucks. but 9 in Canada.

Jun 16 - 12:19

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Sorry to keep going off the topic of SP, but there's so little new info coming in about it that I don't have anything new to add. But anyway:

Yes, the animals in Tarzan will talk. Rosie O'Donnel and Glenn Close will voice Tarzan's ape friend and "mother" (respectively). There will also be an elephant named Tantor voiced by "Seinfeld's" Newman, Wayne Knight.

I'm not really jazzed about Tarzan, but one of the directors of the film is Kevin Lima, who directed "A Goofy Movie," which surprisingly turned out to be one of my favorite Disney movies ever (but nothing tops The Lion King in my book). I have a feeling it will be kind of like "The Jungle Book"---so there is hope, even though the story of Tarzan has been done to death, even by Disney (George of the Jungle).

"Timber" (if that's the name that is eventually used) could be a promising movie. Oddly enough, the NBC show "Just Shoot Me" did an episode based on "King Lear" not too long ago. If they do it right, it could be interesting. Though I have to wonder if bears would be as big of a draw as African animals?

About Hercules: I thought Hercules was Disney's worst animated feature of recent memory. I truly hated the lead character, especially when he was portrayed as a whiny adolescent (I kept thinking, shut up and stop whining and singing!). However, I thought Meg and Hades, as well as Pain and Panic, were great characters. It would have been a wonderful movie if Hercules, Phil, Pegasus, and Zeus were NOT in the film at all! I actually rooted for the villains (Meg was a villain at first) the whole time.

Jun 16 - 11:08

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Alexander, you're right! I'm also very tired of those human leads in Disney's movies. Hopefully the movie with the bears will be better. Oh, but maybe the movie with Tarzan will have alot of animals in it.... Remember Tarzan was king of the African jungle??! Wow! We have apes, panters and who knows how many species of animals!!! I think the animals will talk, just like in Jungle Book, 'cause the animals are the only living beings to talk to. Oh yes Jane.... but she'll come later...

Amira, I do care! Pity you're leaving!
Have fun with SP when you'll buy it!!
Bye, we will miss you!

Shenzi, good luck with your exams! Boy, am I glad I have them no more!! I thought the music of Hercules sucked, too! It didn't suite the movie.
And indeed, no movie can be like TLK. But let me tell you, I used to say when I saw a first pic of Simba and Mufasa: Bah!! What kind of movie will that be!? It must be awful!!! (I thought by then Alladin whas a movie that nothing could exceed!)
I was wrong.... VERY WRONG!!

Beerit, sorry to say it but Meg was far too bright! But she matched Herc quite good... I like it when women have plenty to say for themselfs! Makes me feel great! Ha, you see! women can be clever and good too! Besides, I thought Hercules was a noodle!!! No wonder you liked Meg, Beerit!
I like Hades most, but ya know.... I always go for the badguys!! Except for Frollo in the Hunchback!! Now THAT was a creep!!

O.K. ...back to SP! mmmm.... I have no news for now...
Oh, Sarria, Nuka has just the name that fits his being. IF he IS going to be the stupid one!!

If you don't believe me, here's the referance I used:
gopher://yaleinfo.yale.edu:7702/1

I still need to find Mufasa, Zazu, Nala, Timon, and Kiara.

Jun 16 - 10:25

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Laurie...Hi. Don't feel bad, I think we all get confused about the characters sometimes. Zira, as far as I can tell so far with out actually having seen the movie, is going to kinda' be the "brains" of the operation on the (revenge?) to Simba. Sort of how Scar was the backbone pushing the hyena's with the revenge on Mufasa. She is also possibly (probably?) Kovu's mom. We're all just guessing here also, so anything we say may not be 100% correct, but I hope this info. helps you out a little.
~~elyse

Jun 16 - 08:51

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Hey all. No matter how hard I try, I can't figure out some of the roles of these characters. Could someone please briefly tell me who Zira is supposed to be?(If that fact is known).
Somebody said a while ago Disney's cutting down their production of live movies. That would be just fine with me, because most of them are all alike and silly anyway.

I saw a preview of mulan.
I'm not impressed......
But I'll go see it anyway, couse u goys say its gonna be big.

I heard the TLKoB songs. it was nice. I liked "they live in u", "endless night", "shadowland"
& "He lives in u". hmmmm..... but the other songs (about 20 of em) pretty sucked, I think. sorry, dont want to offend anyone!

no use of calling kevin names (although its fun for the whole family!). he's probebly long gone.

by the way, I became a magholic. yes yes, the heroin of hercules has captured my heart.....
usualy I go for the male hero (simba, aladin).
I naver liked belle, os sindarela, & nala was kinda cute, but not something. mag was complitly differant! she's sooooo cool!!!!!! ok, back to SP.
the Panther, I dont know what the site owner ment by "the greatest leader" but I think he ment in a spiritual way.
when I watched the herc tape, it showed a comercial telling not to buy pirat tapes of disnet movies, & it have a scene from TLK alOng with all the classics! it made me so happy to know that TLK is concidered so important to be aside movies like sindarela & such that were real clasics!
Amira, WHAT DO U MEAN? why r u leaving?

In reply to Alexander: I thought Jungle Book did have a human lead. Of course, it was mostly animal characters. In reply to J. Falk: I think that even though Disney is doing that one-animated-movie-a-day-for-the-millennium thing, that they'll still follow their schedule of re-releasing each movie every seven(or 8?) years. "Little Mermaid" was originally released in 1989 then re-released in 1998. That should put "Lion King" up for re-release in 2001 or 2002, and guess who's going to be there . . . ? Of course, I'll try to see it on Dec. 24, 1999, too. Hopefully I'll be near a theater that has it.

Sorry about this message being partially off topic. I have seen info on The Very Extraordinary Disney Animation Archive that Disney will cut their production of live action films to 15 next year while at the same time cranking up production of their animated films to 6 within a span of 18 months. So we could very well be seeing 2 maybe 3 other Disney animated films, except Tarzan, in theaters next year. Now for part two of my message. I don't know how many of you guys know this but on the same website their is something mention called The Millenium Celebration, now what part of that involves is an animated film showcase that will start on November 24th, 1999 and end on January 1st, 2000. As for the animated films themselves, they will be re-released for one day each during the time frame I mentioned and The Lion King WILL BE RE-RELEASED ON DECEMBER 24th, 1999 FOR ONE DAY. It maybe our last chance for quite awhile for some of us to see The Lion King in theaters. Now that would be a nice Christmas present. Write back to me if you have something to say. Just reply to the address above.

Hi everyone!:)
Sorry I haven't posted in such a long time! The thing is that we've been preparing for a road trip that starts on the 19th. So, I haven't been near the computer for a while. Im sorry I havent updated my site in a while, but I'll start working on in as soon as we get back-- July 1st. Also, I was thinking, for everyone that comes here thats on AOL. If you all want to, you can join a chat room here called TLK Chat at the same time we join the chat room here or now if you want to. The room is private, so just IM me and Ill invite you there, or you can join it the other way. The reason Im saying this is because for some reason, I can never connect to the chat room with this screen name. The only reason I was able to join the room earlier is because my mom happened to leave her SN logged on. Well, thats enough for me, I'll see yall later!!

Maintainer's note: Probably because you accidentally hit the Submit or Reload button a couple of times. -BT

Jun 15 - 16:44

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hakuna matata ! i haven't been here in a while. i'm kinda busy studying for regents exams. i think Ny is the only state that takes them. it sucks. wish me good look that i pass. Beerit, i don't think scar was a teenager in the begining of tlk. if i hadn't known he was mufasa's younger brother before seeing the movie i would have thought scar was older than mufasa. i think scar looks and sounds older than mufasa. Dara, i agree the animation in hunchback was beautiful, especially at the end when the city was on fire. it was cool. at first i didn't like hunchback but the more i see it the more i like it. mulan does look different but i don't think she looks too much like poco. i want to see mulan, but i'm not sure if i'll like the music. i didn't really like the music in hercules and the music in the past animated films is nothing compared to the music in tlk. like alexander i enjoyed tlk & jungle book better. i like animated movies with animal characters better. this " Timber " sounds interesting but it won't be anouther tlk. nothing could. i'm not really looking forward to Tarzan. i think it will suck. i wonder why everyones' keeping the identity of kovu's father a secret. maybe it really is scar. We are 1.

Whoa! Everyone all the sudden talking about Mulan?? LOL. Just kidding. Just because I said that doesn't mean I'd hate the movie. It's probably fantastic, but not as much as TLK would and SP will! *grin*

Farewell, TLK lovers. I'm leaving the Internet (forever probably...ugh). But you probably don't care, so just forget about me and go on about Simba's Pride. Bye everyone!

Good luck with finding more information on SP!

AMIRA "LIONESS"

Jun 15 - 16:15

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This isn't related to SP, but:

Dara, I don't really think that Mulan is drawn like "a robot." In fact, I think she is one of the most cartoony leading female humans Disney has done.

The animators seem to have used the "squash and stretch" technique on her, and this is typically used only with comedic characters. You can see this in the scene in which Mulan over-hears the orders that one male from each family must fight in the war. Her facial expression is very cartoony.

I do agree that the design for "Mulan" is quite different. However, Disney did not want the movie to look too Western, so they hired some Asian artists to work on the movie. I rather like it, but I can see how it might turn some people off. Again, I haven't seen the movie (it hasn't come out yet) so I can't say whether I like the film or not.

Dara, I do agree with you 100% on something: I am really tired of all these human leads in Disney movies!!! Give me The Lion King or Jungle Book any day!!

Also: Enough with the freakin' Broadway musical animated features! I get the feeling that many folks are getting really tired of this.

Unfortunately, it looks like we'll be seeing more of these "humans in their 20s" Disney movies: Tarzan is next.

I do believe there is at least one traditional Disney animated animal movie coming out: I think it is called "Timber" and is about bears, with a story based loosely on "King Lear." Could be really cool----maybe the next "Lion King?" (probably not)

Jun 15 - 15:38

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Alexander, I haven't seen much of Mulan, because it will not come out untill Christmas here. The way she's drawn is more like she's a robot or something! She moves to strange! It's not like Disney at all! And all the other characters are strange too... I like Disneys' curved drawings with fuzzy looks! Just look at the Hunchback...... al the people just look so perfect and real and great to look at. they all moved with certain grace. I don't feel anything like that when I see Mulan.
Sorry, this IS of course about SP...

I just wanted to say... Disney is on it's retour.. Sorry, but I had to say it. I just hope SP will be a great hit! Hopefully Disney will make more of this movies. Actually, I like Disney's animated pictures with animals in it most!! It seems Disney's winds are changing... Only humans will play a big role in the future movies. It's all about real story's and musicals.

O.K. back to SP!! I also think that the SP Mattel pluchies are not so great. I hope there'll be better ones. Oh, I asked a woman of a video store (who also sells alot of Disney and Warner Bros stuff) if she knew about the LK sequel, but she didn't. I told her the release date in the U.S. would be October. If that's so, the release in Europe would take some time. I guess it will not be released untill Januari 1999. I hate that!! And I certainly hope I'm wrong!!!

Bye!!

Dara

Jun 15 - 15:09

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Kichebo-
I ordered the SP Beanies from eToys, and I whole-heartedly agree with you!! They are Bugeyed and just plain ugly!!
Anyways, I think that Kimba looks just a bit like Simba. The feet are the same- which is the main feature. And I agree with whoever said this before, that Disney didn't copy from them but got just a few ideas from them. Gotta Go.
we are one :)

Jun 15 - 13:25

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Ok, on wednesday, there is gonna be a tv preview show for Mulan on US channel ABC. its either on at 7 or 8 pm. i just thought you guys were interested

Jun 15 - 12:39

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kay, this is off the Mulan-thing (and yes i have seen tons of Mulan stuff in stores and such), but I would just like to declare myself the TLK Fandom's first Nukaholic.

Sure, he may be grey, kinda scruffy looking, and off his rocker mentally, but HEY everyone needs to be loved :-)

I bet Nuka will have a Scar-like build as a full-grown lion, not heavy on the muscles and such. And Vitani, well, I hope she loses that fro when she grows up.....

BTW, I know Alexander has already warned everyone about this, but DO NOT order the Mattel SP beanies from Etoys....they have large heads that look nothing like the character they are supposed to portray and have disproporionate bodies as well. Just plain ugly. They are sitting with my collection of far superior SP beanies from the Disney Store....

Elyse,, is london the only place in europe the TLKoB is coming? its still a bit long for me, i want to se it,,,

Beerit, this about that Kimba is the greatest leader in all time, does that meen he has no weaknesses at all? that serves for a pretty boring story, both Simba and Mufasa had their weaknesses, the Lion King is about a lion that have to qounqer his fears and with that his weaknesses, the only really fearless karakter in tlk is probably Nala. as i have pointed out before, she is the strongest charakter in tlk,. thats all what i wanted to have said i think, thank you for your time.

Does anyone know who is doing the underscore for Simba's Pride - or whether Lebo M. and others involved with the original TLK score will be on SP's score? I wonder if the music heard in the "Flubber" preview is what we will hear in the movie! :) (I love that music!) :)

Kristin

Jun 14 - 19:17

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Since most people are going off topic and talking about Mulan, I thought I would too :)

Someone said that Disney was doing a ton of advertising and products for SP and not for Mulan, well Disney has not caught up on Mulan.
I work in Target an we now have a whole part of the toy section devoted to Mulan, there is also clothing and shoes.There are now plenty of commercial also.

Most importantly they are realy doing it up in the theathers. I went to see The Trueman Show last week and there was a unbelivable amount of Mulan stuff. Every poster place for showing or comeing attraction had a Mulan poster in it. There was a 15 ft cloth screen with the flower saying and a Mulan poster on each end. They were also pushing Mushu there was a 3 ft stuffed Mushu and a giant paper Mushu hanging for the ceiling.
Finnaly they had a Mulan sign telling what day it was coming by the movie listing out side.
So Mulan is haveing a huge merchindiseing campeign just not as focust on TV adds, like SP is.

Jun 14 - 18:50

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OK, it is a little off topic, but I wanted to discuss Mulan for a minute.

Dara, you mentioned that Mulan looks like Pocahontas. You are the first person I have heard say this, but this is what I thought the first time I saw a picture of Mulan. I guess Disney liked the "Asian doll" look that Pocahontas had (an Asian Indian?!?). I also did not like Pocahontas, as I thought it was pretty boring and preachy, plus the characters looked rotoscoped (like the animators traced live action footage). However, though Mulan's face bears a resemblance to Poca, her body sure doesn't. Too hard to look like a man with a curvacious female body. And when Mulan is dressed as a warrior, she no longer looks much like Poca.

And yes, I would have to believe that some Mulan artists worked on Pocahontas. Most of Mulan was made in Florida, though some of it was done in California, where the bulk of Poca work was done. However, Florida also did a little animation for Poca.

Something to consider: There could be a Simba's Pride trailer before "Mulan" in theaters. I have not heard this, but I am simply guessing. The reason I say this: The preview for the Pocahontas 2 video aired on the "Coming Attractions" trailer show on E! Entertainment TV some time ago. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Those who see Mulan next week will have to tell us if there's a SP preview before the film.

Jun 14 - 15:47

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THANKS ALOT Elyse!!!
I was so happy when you told me TLKoB had plans to go to London! I'm getting the music of TLKoB from somebody this Thursday!
I can't hardly wait!!

And now.....drums...... yesterday I saw the previeuw of SP!!! O.k, O.k.... a bit late, but it was fantastic!! I liked it. I think the whole movie will have red/yellowisch colours. Also the colours and lines are softer. Pity we saw only most of the former characters. You saw only a few seconds of Kovu. I'm dying for some pictures of Zira!! Maybe she will be looking just like Scar or more brownish like. With dark eyes I guess.

Oh Beerit, never mind about the pictures. I saw double pictures in the image section (stills from the previeuw). But if you don't see them, I guess it will be o.k.

I also did see a sort of short previeuw of Mulan. It's very much like Pocahontas (does anybody know if the same animators where working on Mulan?)
I don't like Pocahontas, Mulan looks just too much like it! Dang! Maybe you guys will tell me if it's better?

I know this has nothing to do with TLK or SP, but this Wednesday at 7:00 (eastern time) there's gonna be a "Making of Mulan" type of thing, on the Disney channel. I don't have Disney though. :( Oh, and I got the Mulan soundrack, and it's GREAT!
ok, a little thing about SP, though it doesn't really matter.... when I went to the Disney Store to see if they had the Kovu and Kiare stuffed animals-which they didn't- I asked the person there if she knew if Kovu was Scar's son or not, and she said that she can't tell me.hhmmmmmmm.... why are these people keeping this a secret?! well, I can see why, but I wish I knew for sure!(don't we all?) :)

Jun 14 - 10:09

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That Kevin person is a total idiot. It seems like he was trying to be mysterious, but he left his e-mail address!! I'm glad his post was taken off the rumor mill. Though, if his e-mail address was still on here, we could all tell him what a moron he is!

I was in Madison, Indiana yesterday and found the very same Cartoon Encyclopedia containing the Kimba picture that I remember reading in my High School and Junior High libraries. I bought the one volume they had at an antique store---for $1!! (of course, a couple pictures had been ripped out, so it wasn't exactly the find of the century).

Just thought some of you minght be interested. In september there is going to be a 4 day workshop at the Disnet Institute. It is focused around Mulan, but one of the animators from The Lion King will be there. Spaces are going fast. If you would like more information you can call the Institute at: 800-282-9282

Dara, I have NO IDEA & about which images u talk about! I've gone over & over it & its all right!
tell me which images u talk about!!!! I wish Nika & Vitani & Kovu be adults too. that will rule!

I had a thought. I think maybe scar was a teenager..... now, wait! dont call the CIA on me now! let me explain!!!!!!!!
Well, maybe he was a teenager couse:
1. that explains why he was so fustreited & so angry with mufasa. maybe they're parents died when he was a cub & mufasa raised him so he's like a parent to him. & being a teenager, scar doesnt aprove of mufasa at all!!!!!!!
2. that explains why he's so skiny!
3. that explains why he was so strong when he fought simba! he grew up & was'nt that much older then him.
this does'nt mean that scar was'nt mad, but it kinda fits into olace in the story, dont u think?

Kevin is such a verbal man!

Mark Cusimano, TLKoB stands for The Lion King on Brodway. I'm pretty sure.

Well it's been a month and I'm still working on my TLK2 story. If your interested go to my site and enjoy. I used the e-mail for my html is weak right now. You try to right a story and learn html, go to work, fix a car and still do the daily routie.

By the way, I got a chalange for you. Some body write a TLK story, but at certain points let the reader deciede what the character is going to do. If you read "Create your own adventure books" you would know what I mean.

Hopefully on monday I can get on the chat and discuss my story online. See/read you their.

hi.
dara....tlkob does have plans to go to london, i read it on disney.com the day after the tony's. it won't be untill 1999 or 2000 though. they also have plans on touring japan.so, i guess you'll just have to be patient.

beerit....i like image #1 the best too. extremely adorable. the more you do it the better you're getting.

~elyse

Jun 12 - 13:38

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Shenzi, I understand you got confused by the end of the story! Makaka is a young talented mandrill.
Makaka is the one to follow up Rafiki as a wise shaman of the Pride Lands when he dies. You can read about it at The Spirit Quest (page 111 or 112 something close to that). He has some troubles with his astma. Rafiki took an oath that he would die the same day as Usuri. So that explanes why only Makaka whas there with Uzuri. He became, just like Rafiki really fond of her. And yes, Togo and Combi ARE indeed Uzuri's bold twin sons!
I haven't read the Spotted Lion yet. It's not about TLK, but it IS about African mammals.
I think the story is good, because great authors wrote it. It has a lot of new names, and I already got in trouble in the beginning with the 'Chronicle series'!!

Nala, you must be the luckiest person on earth!!!
I wish my parents would do such thing, but that would not happen. We are over 14 hours of flying away from Broadway!!! My biggest hope is that TLK musical would come at least to London, England!!

Beerit, the first image is the coolest!!! Then the second. Did you take a look at the double pictures? I thought I was the only one who saw them (I thought maybe it was my stupid provider again!) but luckily lioness saw it too.
Oh, and I really like the blinking Kovu!!

I wish Kovu and Vitani are going to be adult lions too!! This is going to be interesting!

Yo! If you missed Kovu and Kiara bean bags at The Disney Store, don't give up! I just called the one here and they got in another shipment of Kovu. I already have 2 sets of "Simba's Pride" and I think that's enough, so you might try calling the Disney Store near you----they might have them. If you are truly desperate, and the store nearest you doesn't have any, you might try the dizbeanies page for store numbers. Or I could post the number of the store near me and you might be able to order from them (Sorry---I"M NOT going to go in to the bean bag business, so I won't guy buy them----that is your job!!).

The whole reason I called the store in the first place was to check to see if they had any new TLK bean bags----and no, they don't.

Nala, lucky you! Going to TLK on Broadway would be amazing. I've never been, but want to go. Incidentally, my parents have never seen TLK (as I've said before, they aren't real big on cartoons) but they do want to see the Broadway show (even my Dad, who HATES stage shows).

Ducky, thanks for your apology a while back concerning Matthew Broderick and the comment you made that made me feel old.

Hey guys! Just dropped in to say hello, and read the newest additions to the rumor mill. Since exams are finished, I have nothing to do! So far, I've sent three hours reading TLK muck. I love it! I also write my own, much to my parents hate. They can't stand TLK! They say I'm obsessed, but hey...there's nothing wrong with that! ;) There's harldy anything being said about TLK2:SP. That stinks! I'm sooooo excited I can hardly wait. My parents just told me (out of their hatred for TLK comes love believe it or not ;)) that they're gonna take mye to New York to see TLKoB! Thank god! The tickets are sold out right now though, so we have to wait for the next set to come on sale. :(. Oh, well, There's not much more to say, as I'm slowly formulating a guess of the story for TLK2:SP. I hope Disney didn't srew their best movie up with this sequel! Take care, cuz I'm gonna finish reading the rumor mill now! Have fun, and BUSA SIMBA!!!!

Well, just wanted to show u my new Kovu's Zen image, I worked 100000000 hours on it, its better viewed with a black background, but basicly u can put it on any background & it fits in:
http://www.lionking.org/~ari/Kovublink.gif

we are one

p.s. Kimba doesnt look like simba at all! & neather does his mate look like nala! but the site owner said that Kimba is the strongest leader ever. he must not had seen mufasa or simba......

I am seeking out Lebo M fans to be in the Lebo M Fan Club. It's free and fun. In case you don't know who Lebo M is, he is known as the King and spirit of The Lion King. He was on the soundtrack, Rythm of the Pride Lands and on Broadway. If you want more ask me. I could go on all night about him.

Alicia

Jun 11 - 23:42

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Warning: This letter has nothing to do with TLK/SP. I just wanted to say (mostly to Ciara) that I shouldn't have judged "Biloxi Blues" before actually having seen it. I actually wanted to see it when it came out but never got a chance. Guess I was just thinking about how it wasn't as big of a blockbuster as "Ferris Bueller," but that doesn't make it a bad movie.

hey kiara-holic 1,
well i am just writing on here to say hello to you, and everyone else. HI! Ok well i have exams now, so i won't be able to write anything here for a while, good luck to anyone else who has exams or tests or if you are in australia, the HSC, but remember, life goes on, there is always the lion king to find salvation in.

see ya
lee

Jun 11 - 18:46

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if nuka is supposed to try and kill simba than he and vitani are going to be adults in the movie too right ? i think nuka would be pretty dumb to try and kill simba when he was a cub. the suspence is killing me, i wish we knew what zira looked like. i hope she looks different from the
nala and sarafina. i'm glad disney changed zira's name. bianca would have been a strange name for a lioness. i was on the kimba site once. those pictures of kimba on that mountain look like simba standing on pride rock. i don't think disney copied after kimba but i'm sure that at least one of the animators working on tlk had to have seen the kimba show. Fessran, i read those Ratha books by clare bell too. i don't think disney copied from the book. if you like the ratha books you should read " the jagur queen ". Dara, i finsihed " The leonid saga ". the ending confused me. who is makaka ? i thought kombi and togo were uzuri's children. is the spotted leopard a tlk story ?

Jun 11 - 16:55

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Im sorry, but kimba looks NOTHING like simba!!! im sorta a fan of japanimation, but i dont think disney copied it at all! im sure they new about it and maybe got a few ideas from it, but they didnt copy it!!a funny thing is my real name is Kim and since i was such a fan of tlk everyone called me kimba, i thought it was cute when i heard about the japan thing. oh and alexander, im sorry again!

Jun 11 - 15:24

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Alexander im really really sorry i didnt mean to make you feel old!!!!

Jun 11 - 15:11

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Dara, thanks for acknowledging my guesses on the SP plot. I've tried to post something long in the past and it never made it to the mill! I was traumatized and it took me a long time to try and post again. I thought I had to be "@lionking.org" or something, so I just sat here reading everyone else's posts before bursting.
Kiara-holic #1, Biloxi Blues is actually a funny movie if you like Neil Simon's writing. But I think Matthew Broderick's best films (as far as seeing him in a starring role) are Ferris Bueller (Comedy) and Glory (Drama). He is cutest on the tape covers of Ferris and Biloxi.
For anyone wondering, Ciara is my real name and I flipped when I found out the name of Simba's daughter is one letter away from mine.
To add to my previous post and keep this SP related, Nuka thinking he can kill Simba himself probably comes from the incentive that he has more of a claim to the throne than Kovu.

Jun 11 - 14:04

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Beerit-
yes, doubles. some triples. as in more than one of each pic! Anyways, when is the Windows Theme gonna be done? what is it anyways?

double pictures?! what does thet suposed to mean?
I know it didnt koad the little pics, I'm loading them now, but double pictures?

I think Mathew Broderick has one of the world's most beautiful voices. now that I think about it, I cant thnk of any voice more beautiful then his.......

we are one

Jun 11 - 12:10

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OK, I wanna to take a look at the Kimba site... but it all took too long. I think it crashed or something. Never mind, I already knew about the white lion. Let me put it this way: it's real Japanes art. Big, bright eyes, funny looking figures. Just like that other cartoons, such as Candy (I don't know if you know this cartoon).
I don't like the style very much. But there're of course people who do, and I don't care. I think Japanese cartoons are super dramatic, but some of them are quite good. OK, enough about Japanese cartoons for me... I agree with Alexander though.

Hé Beerit, I went to your site (good site!), but when I went to the screen grabs, you had all double pictures? (or did a drink too much again?!)

Ciara, I like your speculations about SP. Maybe it's true, who knows. So if it's true about Vitani, Nuka (who's supposed to be Ed then) and Kovu, we got 3 characters again! Just like with the hyena's, 2 male and 1 female. And remember what rumours said before: Nuka thinks he can kill Simba by is own. So he must be a real crazy character. Pitty there are only lions in the script this time.... oh sorry, a meerkat and a warthog too.

I remember Mathew Broderick from "War Games" too.
I saw it at school the first time and I think it's a great movie. He was also in "the Cable Guy" and he's of course going to be in Godzilla. I think Methew has a beautiful deep voice.

I looked at the Kimba pics too. nice lion, that kimba....
Oh, u wont believe what I did with my pages!
I changed the screen grabs section so it'll load faster, added pics & links, added a "Kovu's Zen" section in my Kovu page. (got u interested there,uh?)
& other misc stuuf. I think my new site is cooler then the last one, even though its not too much different.
well, just wanted to keep u posted, bye!

we are one

Jun 11 - 09:47

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OK, I won't bring up the white Asian lion again (this Rumor mill is for the TLK Sequel after all). The posting below is the last time I'll bring it up again (unless of course someone ELSE brings it up)!

Jun 11 - 09:01

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Kris, that's pretty much what my last post said----it looks like the Kimba folks decided to return Disney's favor and "borrow" from TLK.

However, I don't think there's a need to put down the Kimba people----after all, if they were an American company (like Disney) they no doubt would have tried to sue over TLK in the first place. However, the Kimba folks took no legal action, which I find respectable since the Disney reaction to Kimba was "we have never heard of Kimba." Yeah, whatever.

What would be totally outrageous is if Disney tried to sue the Kimba people because the new Kimba movie looks like TLK!

Again, I'm a huge fan of TLK (I think it was Disney's best movie) and I don't believe Disney copied Kimba, but it is obvious that SOMEONE at Disney saw the Japanese series at some point.

Jun 11 - 08:29

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OffTopic...

Alexander...I took a look at those Kimba pages...
Ok, maybe "The Jungle King" and "The Lion King" is a LITTLE alike, but not much!
And when I saw those pics from JK 2, I thought they looked more like the TLK lions than they did in the first JK..
So who's copying here?

Sorry for taking this up here, folks...I just had to say that.

Busa SIMBA (and not Kimba)
Kris.

Jun 11 - 07:27

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Its very likely that Simba's Pride was started by October 97 but the interview with Jason Marsden that appeared in the Oct. 97 issue of Disney Adventures probably took place months earlier, and Disney may have realized later that they didn't want to portray Kovu as Scar's son. Of course, we still have to wait and see. Should we turn this into an interactive site between me and Beerit again?

well, as long as they keep the plot realy quiet or promote the movie a lot its still means that they want it ti be they're big movie!
silverwing, the fact that tey new the general sctipt in 97' doesnt mean they even started the movie by that time. they were just working on the plot!
I think brodrick has a very young voice for his age!
when simba got back to PR he wasnt half way down his life, he was a young lion! (not a teenager)
I think the vioces dont matter!
Mtenga, I want Kovu to be scar son soooo much!
I just eccepted the fact that he wount couse o' that incest stuff!

about that kovu pic, I didnt like Kovu's face that much, they lookd too..... scarish! I dont think they'll leave it like that, but there isnt much they can do with a face like young Kovu's!

I remember my first exposure to Matthew Broderick was in 1983 when he starred in the major motion picture "War Games," then in 1985 or 1986 he starred in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." I'm sure a lot of you have heard of that movie. If not, you will find it immensely enjoyable. I've seen it almost as many times as TLK. The next movie he was in was "Biloxi Blues," but I never saw it and it may not have been that great. He does look young for his age, but then again, so do I. (Anyone care to guess my age?) I don't know, but something about the idea of Scar and Nala getting together really gives me the creeps. Not saying that anyone believes they did, just the idea of it is really gross. On the subject of Kimba: the Japanese aren't as into suing each other as Americans are and felt like TLK was ripping off Kimba, but at the same time felt honored that Disney would be inspired by a Japanese creation. For more info, read the article in the Journal of Popular Culture Vol. 31.1. Well, that might be enough for now.

I forgot----Ducky, your comment about Matthew Broderick made me feel very old, and I'm only 22.

Jun 10 - 19:10

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Hey everyone! You guys remember hearing about Kimba, the White Lion, back when TLK debuted in 1994? You know, the Japanese cartoon from decades ago that got people arguing that Disney stole from the series (or at the very least borrowed from it).

Well, it seems the Kimba folks thought that if Disney could borrow, they could in turn borrow. In 1997 there was apparently an update movie for Kimba. Take a looksy. It is very much worth your while:

www.kimba.org/remake/

If you've got time and want to learn more about Kimba go to:

www.kimba.org

and follow the links.

For the record, I don't believe Disney stole or copied Kimba, but I do believe that Disney was fully aware of Kimba and maybe used the series as inspiration (the series aired in the 1960s---a time when I'm sure many animators were kids).

I know for a fact that an artist on the "Timon and Pumbaa" TV series was fully aware of Kimba and a big fan of the show. He also did not think TLK ripped Kimba off, but was more of an homage to the Japanse series.

This is a touchy subject I know, but I am interested in learning more about the Japanese series, as I have never seen it (aside from pictures of it I have seen on the Internet and in an animation encyclopedia I found at the library when I was in middle school (way before TLK).

Yes, I know this is a TLK site so I'll shut up now, but if you've got time, you might want to check out the Kimba site.

Jun 10 - 19:07

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Did anyone know that Mattew Broadwick was like a teen star in like the 80's? i was at my video store and i saw a movie that was probubly made in the early 80's and it stared matt and he was alot skinnier and more boyish like. i was like "woah! he grew" i know its stupid info but i thought it was cute!!!

Jun 10 - 18:16

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Keep us posted Elyse!!!! I can't wait to see a SP book. Maybe some copies will slip in to stores early.

I didn't see Letterman last night----sorry. Maybe there's a site that reports what the guests have said on his show. I know one thing though----Andy Dick is one bizarre fellow. He lives with his current wife and kids plus all his exes and his kids from those marriages (or so he has said on talk shows before).

Jun 10 - 17:14

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Guess what.guess what, guess what???!!!!!!?????
I just went to the Barnes & Noble website & guess what they are taking pre-orders for with a release date of August????? A SP book donchya' know! I'm just so excited! So, maybe we can get a little bit better idea of the movie come August. It's beginning to look like they are going to have serious merchandise releases pretty soon here. I'm about to burst with anticipation!!

Again, did anyone catch letterman last night???
~~elyse

Jun 10 - 15:49

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MY REALLY LONG SPECULATION OF SP PLOT: (sorry, I got carried away)
Someone said something about dark-maned lions being the, as I would like to put it, "Sexpots of the Savannah." Maybe Zira (a member of the "Outlands") had a fling with Scar (I like to think he briefly left Pride Rock after Nala's refusal of his advances) and the result was Vitani and Nuka. Scar had promised his new love Pride Rock and that she could be queen. Those plans were shattered with Simba's return and Zira was determined to get back what she feels was taken from her. After giving birth to Vitani and Nuka, she finds this rogue, black-maned lion (clearly her type) and the result is Kovu (explaining why Kovu is the same age as Kiara). All speculation of course. I really don't know anything about the real plot, but I thought I'd play around with all the ideas I have heard discussed and what we know so far incorporating a little bit of TLKoB in the mix.
Now I love Scar as much as the next person (I thought of him as a tortured soul long before reading Chronicles of the Pride Lands). But Disney thinks of him as pure evil and his offspring should be as well. Having Vitani (who is supposedly very sly) as his daughter would make perfect sense. Nuka being his son (who is supposed to be like Ed) would explain Scar being at the "shallow end of the gene pool"). Zira sees that Nuka is a poor excuse for a lion and that it is no place for her daughter to take the throne. THAT leaves the task of overthrowing Simba to her handsome son Kovu. There's my attempt at explaining everything thrown at us. Zira is still "Scar's widow", and Kovu's mother, but Kovu is NOT Scar's son.
Personal opinion: the plot would be better if Kovu WAS Scar's son.

Jun 10 - 14:57

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Fessran : you got it *grinz*

Alexander and Lioness : ooh thas perfect! Kovu is an ORPHAN! That way, Disney doesnt have to explain why he looks so much like Scar....he doesnt know who his parents are!!!!! woo hoo!
and it was me who thought Vitani looked like Scar...look at her nose! Just like his....Nuka just confuses me tho, I have no idea what this cub's role in the movie will be.....

Jun 10 - 14:09

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Hey!! I think Andy Dick was on Letterman last night, but I didn't get to watch it. Did anyone happen to catch it? Did he mention SP?

I didnt get the chance to read all of the messeges so I'll responde tomorrow.
I just wanted to say that I have a wav file of the whole WR1 song on my NEW site.
not including Simba's & Kiara's dialog at the begining.
have fun!

we are one

Jun 10 - 13:20

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lioness, I think that would be a great plot. I believe someone mentioned before that it might be neat if Vitani (who I am just guessing is, along with Nuka, Zira's cub, or possibly Zira and Scar's) was betrothed to Kovu, and the plan was that they'd take over Pride Rock. Only Kiara gets in the way, ticking off Zira and Vitani. It would be cool if Kiara and Vitani had to fight and Nuka comments "catfight!"

This story possibility could make sense, especially if Kovu isn't related to any of the lions, but is sort of an orphan that Zira is raising (this is the impression I am getting). Then maybe Zira thinks she can use Kovu to get rid of Kiara. I guess we won't know for sure until we get more information---or possibly a SP story book.

Confusing? Most definitely, but twists and turns in movies are fun.

I know I'm just guessing, and I could be totally wrong, but it is fun trying to imagine how they'll work the story out.

Jun 10 - 13:20

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I think it would be interesting if Scar DID have a daughter. Maybe, if Zira is Scar's widow, that the daughter- maybe Vitani- is willing to kill Simba or his daughter for revenge, but Kovu doesn't. So he runs away to the Pride Lands because he isn't sure what to do. He befriends Kiara, but eventally has to fight his own sister! But that is a bit too much Lion Kingish though. Also, maybe Kovu isn't Scar's son, but is just brought up with Zira. What do you think?

Kichebo-
Where did you get your name? I'm guessing from Clare Bell's *Tomorrow's Sphinx,* right? I would love to contact you via e-mail, so please send me a message!

Hey, everyone! I just read the Named series by Clare Bell, and I think that is where Disney got its idea in the first place! The story: a young cat, Ratha, is cast out of her clan, and while she is away the clan almost dies out due to a tyrant- until her return. You can find out more about this book @ my site:
www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Cottage/2208/fessran.html

Jun 10 - 08:33

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guys, I think (and this is a tiny nit) that Matthew Broderick is in his 40's. But he still has a very youthful-sounding voice. Why are we talking about this anyway, cant remember :-)

Kovu Pic : sorry Beerit, I am gonna have to disagree with you. I just don't think they will have changed his character design much....it's just too....perfect! hard for me to explain I just don't *grins sheepishly* think they will.....maybe make his mane a little longer, but that's all.....

Vitani Pic : her lil nose looks just like Scar's....maybe she is Scar's daughter and Kovu just happens to look like Scar? Perhaps they are the "future king and queen" of wherever their pride is from......betrothed donchaknow.

sorry i'm not making much sense. breakfast time is NOW! *smiles.....leaves*

Jun 10 - 08:15

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Snowy
you said that Disney was controvesal when Zeus and Hera were married, had a kid ect..... They actually side stepped a even bigger taboo. In the mythology Herc was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, Hera was always mad about this and plotted against Herc. I think most people don't know about Zeus and Hera being brother and sister, but cheating would of been very apparent!

Alexander
I am almost sure Matthew Broderick is in his 30's. I was baseing my idea about Kovu being a teenager on the pic of him. Your voice idea is a good point. I am going to watch the preview again and see if Kovu looks like an adult or a teenager in the part where the lioness roars.

Just a few thoughts

Jun 9 - 19:00

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Mtenga, where have you been?!?!?

We covered the beanies a while ago (but you are forgiven!).

Start reading all the postings below. You have plenty to catch up on!

Jun 9 - 18:42

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Whoa! Waitaminute here! I think I got lost somewhere along the way here...hold onna sec while I sort through all these messages...

OK. First of all, I want to know, WHY CAN'T KOVU BE SCAR'S SON?! Most of you (I'm not gonna point toes) don't seem wanting to accept the fact that Kovu could be Scar's son. WHY???

Next! Now, so far as the thing with Kovu & Kiara being cousins...well, I can understand that. I mean, inbreeding occurs a lot with lions, so it's definetly nothing new in the feline world.
Wait....if Kovu _isn't_ Scar's son (as most of you apparently have convinced yourselves) then he wouldn't be Kiara's cousin. Well...depending still on who his father was/is...for all anyone seems to know of now, Simba could have been Kovu's father. His coloring could be a hereditary thing, ya'know.

Last of all...check your local Disney store! In addition to the cute TLK Disney beanies they were previously selling (Simba, Nala, Pumbaa, and Timon) they now have Kovu and Kiara!
P.S. These beanies ARE NOT the same as the beanies Etoys.com sells!

Jun 9 - 18:09

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Aiheu Abamami ! Alexander, as much as i want kovu to be scar's son you're probably right. it ain't gonna happen. its only a movie, its not real life, kiara and kovu are lions not people and lions wouldn't know if they mated with their cousins, but now i don't think disney will do it because there are too many politicaly correct people out there who would complain about Kovu and kiara's relationship. i think most people wouldn't care and so many people love disney that they wouldn't stop seeing their movies even if they didn't like the Kovu/ Kiara thing. i think disney might as well make kovu scar's son. why not, no matter what disney does there are some people who will tear apart their films, critisize them, boycott them etc. you can't make everyone satisfied.But i dought they would take the chance and its a shame because it would make for an interesting story. Kese, i tried looking in bookstores and on amazon com for " The lion King, six new adventures ", and i can't find it. does anyone know where i can get the books ?

Jun 9 - 16:59

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Don't sweat it lioness, I've made a number of errors when I've tried to post info.

The Disney Adventures magazine article on SP was from October 1997.

Someone mentioned that Adult Kovu looked like a teenager, or a lion that was younger than Simba.

Well, let's look at the voice actors playing some of the new lions: Jason Marsden, Neve Campbell, and Jennifer Lien are all in their (early?) 20s. That's quite different from Matthew Broderick's Simba (anyone know how old Broderick is? He still looks the same as he did in "Ferris Beuller's Day off!). The only age I'm not sure of is Andy Dick (Nuka) but you can see on NewsRadio that he doesn't sound very old.

So the comment that Adult Kovu looks like a teenager (or a lion younger than Broderick's Simba) is a good one.

one more thing.... in which Disney Adventures magazine had the article on SP?I got one today, but the main article was on Mulan. Would somebody, who has it, copy it down for me to read?
BUSA SIMBA! :)

Jun 9 - 15:31

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Beerit-
Thanx for posting my Kovu pic on your site! I'll try to make some more for you!

Jun 9 - 13:11

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Since it seems like everyone thinks that Disney would NEVER touch the matter of incest in an animated flic of theirs, might I say that it HAS happened. True, it's not super obvious, but still. I'll bet I've got some people going, "But Snowy, non of Disney's films involve such a relationship." "Nope! Wrong again!" In "Hercules" it happened. According to Greek mythology, Zeus and Hera were brother and sister. As we know by the Disney version, the two of them "got together" and had Herc. (Albeit, the incest is part of the mythology and not straight from Disney itself.) Hmmm. Come to think of it, by the mythology, Hades was also Zeus's brother. One brother trying to knock off the other and the heir for a choice piece of property....Sounds a bit familiar, don'tcha think? ;)

Just a thought. Bye.

Jun 9 - 12:50

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Silvyr Wing, I seriously doubt that "Simba's Pride was almost finished by October 1997. It does not take a full year to paint cels with a computer (painting often takes place up to the very "last minute"----I don't mean this literally).

I'm glad everyone has open minds and can accept a relationship between cousins, but do you honestly think that, after all the nit-picking that has happened with the latest Disney animated features, Disney will risk such a touchy subject in an animated feature? Sure, such relationships go on all the time, but that's still a touchy subject even for live-action.

I think some of you are giving Disney way too much credit. There's no way they would do such a daring story----though I think it would be great! Disney is so concerned about their image that they won't take any chances.

And if I'm wrong, I'll apologize, but for now I'll keep stating: Kovu isn't related to Scar.

If the article came out in late '97, it means the film was already done. In late stages of development, pencil sketches are transferred onto cells to be painted. an animated film has a TON of these cells, so it takes a very long time to paint them all, be it by computer or by hand. (around 28-32 per second of film) so you can see that by october '97, the whole film was done, exept for painting the cells. therefore, is Kovu was Scar's SON in October '97, he is still his son in June '98.

don't worry everyone. If Kovu is not scar's son in September, I will publicly apologize for this misunderstanding. but even you that are against Kovu being scar's son have to admit, if he was, it would be very ...interesting...

Berrit, there -is- a pre-order for SP and it begins August 4th. Expect to see more preview trailers popping up after that date. Fact is Disney is promoting this thing way out of proportion to any other DTV sequel they've done so far. It's almost unheard of for merchandise to be coming out 5 months in advance of the film, but there it is. Disney is well aware of the cash cow that TLK is and it seems they're going to milk it for all it's worth.

About TLKoB not being directly linked to TLK, to me TLKoB is a more fleshed out and adult version of the original. It's one artists interpitation of the TLK universe. It's really hard to mesh the TLKoB material and the TLK material. The same could be said of a few of the little books that came out after the film(Most noteably "Six new adventures of TLK")These stories give Simba a son named Kopa and have him aged the same as Simba was in TLK.
It's really confusing and not worthwhile to try and mesh all these different sources together in trying to come up with a coherent plotline for SP. We're all just going that have to take it at face value that Disney choose to throw out a lot of the ideas they had floating around after TLK and started from scratch with the new movie.
My own idea was/is(since no one can be sure) that Zira was a lioness that fell for Scar during his reign, they mated towards the end of the original TLK storyline and after Simba deafeted Scar she left PR and got together with another group of lions, who she told all about Scar's horrible treatment by Simba and what a great king he was. She gives birth to Vitani,Kovu and Nuka(if you look at the little pics of the cubs you'll notice that all of them have at least one trait in common with Scar) and decides to raise one of the cubs to overthrow Simba(picking Kovu because Nuka is too out of it to be considerd)
One day Kovu and Kiara meet up and become friends, but they are forced apart(either by Zira or Simba). Kovu goes on with his training to take over PR and Kiara her instruction in becoming queen. Finally the time comes when Kovu is ready to assualt PR, but realizes only now that this is the home of his childhood friend and can't go through with it, blah,blah,blah,....and they all lived happily ever after.
Well, that -was-my idea at least;P

I think that the Kovu pic was pretty sketchy, his legs were flying around up his nose & by his tail, his mane was totally un-clear, & his face were too simple!
they probebly changed him A LOT!
& think about it, the pic was out on 96'?
well, at first disney wanted Kovu to be scar's son!
him not being scar's son is just a recent adding, so Kovu will probebly look a lot differantly then in that pic. never the less, I colored the pic (quite nicely if I may say so myself) & its on:
http://www.lionking.org/~ari/AdultKovu.jpg
I love it! it looks great!
why is'nt it on www.geocities u ask?
well, I moved!
I m now the proud owner of:
www.lionking.org/~ari
well, Brian's the real owner but oh, well.......
remember, I moved from geocities just now, so some of the links & stuff may be broken. come back tomorrow.....

the fact that there's no pre-order makes me glad! if they're selling it for poc2 & the rest, that means they dont realy care about it.....
but if they want SP to be a hush hush that means they're realy counting on that movie to bring them cash!
Dara, u need to learn how to cool off or you'll have a break down...... yhea, I loved them pics too! & most I liked the one with the Kovu & scar together. It had such a cool Kovu face!!!!!!
& trust me, u DO NOT want to see my fan art!!!

SilvyrWing, I would like to argue!
October '97?! wow! just think about all the stuff that happened since then?!
how can we know its still true?

I think kese has a point about TLKoB not being TLK. Apparently TLK had a scene created for it in which Scar made the moves on Sarabi (after Mufasa's death) only to be rejected. Of course, we can hypothesize about him trying to go for Nala after that but then we're really going out on a limb. On another subject: I really wouldn't put it past Disney to purposely give out self-contradictory information, even in Disney Adventures. Nothing's really set in stone until SP is actually released, and then if anything contradicts what was said before they can just say there were post-production changes. If we use as an example another currently, highly anticipated film, George Lucas is purposely having "dummy" scenes filmed for STAR WARS: Episode 1 so that even cast members won't know exactly what to tell friends and family a what the movie will be like. Even George Lucas is not 100% sure and there may be changes made up until the very last moment. Another example is the famous "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" episode of the Simpsons that had "dummy" scenes of the shooting recorded so that even the animators wouldn't know exactly who the assailant was really supposed to be. And then there's . . . Well, I better stop now.

Cold Dragon,in the movie when Nala and Simba are arguing about him going back to PR she says "I left to find help and I found you." TLKoB is not TLK and I rather think SP will follow the plotlines of TLK. TLK makes no mention of Nala being pursued by Scar, so that's not really germaine to the arguement.
I'm just going by what the movie itself made clear.

Jun 8 - 20:58

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SilvryWing, I'd love to argue with you!!

Yes, I'm very familiar with that article from Disney Adventures. Jason Marsden has since clarified that Kovu is Scar's "Chosen Son." So I agree, he could be called "Scar's son" but technically, he isn't related to Scar.

See my postings that are not way too far down this page. Disney Store employees got some information on the plot of "Simba's Pride" which says Kovu is not related to Scar. He is being groomed to be "the next Scar." No merchandise descriptions (even on Disney.com) suggest that he is related to Scar. We also don't know exactly how old that Disney Adventures article actually is, because again, we do know that in the original Simba's Pride, Kovu WAS going to be Scar's son.

Granted, Kovu is the spitting image of Scar, but that doesn't prove anything. As I said earlier, Mickey and Minnie look exactly alike. And Disney isn't about to have a cartoon (unless it is from Touchstone or Miramax) with "forbidden love." I also seriously doubt that we'll find out that Scar and Mufasa aren't really brothers.

I'm sorry if this has been posted before, but there are thousands of messages and I cant read 'em all. :)

I finally found what I have been looking for for weeks. Disney Adventures magazine, which is Disney's official magazine, printed this in their October '97 issue:

"Jason Marsded ('Step by Step') gave us the scoop on THE LION KING II, SIMBA'S PRIDE, the direct-to-video sequel to THE LION KING. Jason voices the villainous Kovu, SCAR'S SON, who was raised to defeat Simba. Kovu is a good-looking lion, and Simba's daughter [voiced by Neve Campbell of 'Party of Five'] falls for him..."

so there you have it, straight from Disney's mouth. Kovu is indeed Scar's son. I'd love to hear from anyone who wants to argue.

Jun 8 - 19:00

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Shenzi, no I don't think that any of the lionesses from The Lion King were loyal to Scar---after all, they helped fight off the hyenas.

Like I said before, I assume the lions who are "loyal to Scar" in "Simba's Pride" are new to us---I'm sure we've never seen them before, as I bet they will all look somewhat like Scar.

I see no harm in everyone pretending that Kovu is Scar's son, so go ahead! Just hope you aren't too disappointed when the movie comes out.

I'm very glad TLK and Julie Taymor won!! I haven't seen the Musical yet, but I would love to. Strangely enough, my parents, who never go to musicals and have never seen "The Lion King" animated feature (they aren't in to cartoons) really want to see the Broadway show! My mom commented that the stage show looks more artistic than the cartoon. The cartoon will always be a favorite of mine, though.

Jun 8 - 18:36

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Hakuna Matata !Dara, i agree that the sp plot is more interesting with Kovu as scar's son, and your right. kids wont know or care that the lions are related. my cousin thinks simba and nala are brother and sister. he didn't get the " Can you feel the love tonite " thing and being a 6 year old boy he could care less. speaking of love, i wonder if Kovu and Kiara get their own song ? Alexander, i didn't think any of the lionessess were loyal to scar. didn't they all fight his hyena's at the end ? or maybe some of the lionesess left or scar could have assembled his own pride to get rid of mufasa if he failed to kill him. i don't think scar was lazy . usally physco people aren't lazy or stupid. I agree about young adults being more interested in cartoons than some kids. when i was 11 it was babyish to watch cartoons but now everyone loves cartoons like daria, rugrats and disney cartoons and japanese animation is growing really popular. i think kids may be growing up a little to fast. today kids date at age 9 or 10 and when i was that age boys and girls were still playing that cootie game. I'm so happy that tlk won for best musical and that Julie Taymor won for best director. i think she's great and she deserves it. I don't care what happens in Sp. unless disney says kovu is not scar's son or they show or talk about Kovu's father, i'm just gonna assume kovu is scar's child. a lot of other people will too. I love that adult kovu pic. he looks like scar except his chin is a little different and his eyes aren't evil looking. I hope disney didn't change him too much. On the tlk broadway soundtrack my favorite songs are " Shadow Lands ", and " Endless night ". Endless Night is so moving and sad. I think Tlk should have gotten a tony for its music. i think it had better music than ragtime. Aiheu Abamami ! We are 1 !

Sorry Cold Dragon! I wrote your name instead of mine on that last post! It was meant for you, though.

So everyone, Cold Dragon didn't write the post below. It was me.

Jun 8 - 13:26

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You are right about most male lions leaving the pride when they are no longer cubs. Most male lions live by themselves, traveling to other prides to mate. This might be an explanation as to why Nala's father is not in The Lion King, and an explanation of where Kovu's father is (though I'm sure Disney would never acknowledge that the male lions mate then skip out). I have seen numerous documentaries on lions that say there is typically one male in a pride (the dominant male---like Mufasa) and that his main function is to fend off any rival males (I guess I'm answering my own question of why the lionesses would need "help" in the form of Simba).

I'm sure inbreeding occurs, and I believe the reason cheetahs have a tough time surviving is because of inbreeding. I don't believe that it is part of everyday life for lions, though (I'm sure I could be wrong).

You're probably right about watchdog groups. Disney's probably sensitive to them now.

Someone mentioned that a business section of some periodical wrote that "Simba's Pride" was about "Simba's daughter Kiara and Kovu, Scar's son." I'd still like to see this article. But you've got to remember that the media makes mistakes with information sometimes---plus saying "Scar's son" is easier than saying "a cub that grew up with the lions who were loyal to Scar."

Jun 8 - 13:24

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kese
you said that the lionesses asked Nala to go find help in TLK. If you follow the TLKoB version then Nala did not perticualy want to leave. In the song Maddness of King Scar, Scar trys to make Nala his queen, she (to say the least) refuses. The next song Shadowland then tells of Nala asking persion/announcing that she is leaving the Pridelands.

Alexander you said that you could not understand why the lionesses did not just over throw Scar on there own. I always thought it was because that with a male a lion pride dies out. They can't have cubs so numbers shrink, finaly the group eather is concured,splits up, or they get killed off by rivals (othere lion prides or hyenas) eather way they loss. I got this info from a PBS program about a group of lionesses that were going threw a situation like that.

I still think (saddly) that Disney will not make Kovu Scar's son. There would be way to much controversy from over active watch dog groups.
So far the thing about "Kovu being chosen by Scar to be the next to lead" sounds the most likely. There would still be a ok plot there.

This is more of a question then a statement I thought male cubs were sent away to avoid inbreeding. True sometimes in nature animals who are realated meet up later and breed, but usally nature has some way of trying to discourage this. Some people keep saying that inbreeding is a part of lion society, I was wondering where they heard this. Everything I ever saw about lions say that males usually only stay with a pide for about three years tops, they get beaten out by other males and have to leave. This would mean that any female offspring would generly not be able to mate while there father is leader, so where does the inbreeding come in?

Sorry I wrote so much, guess I am makeing up for lost time :)

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I saw the Circle of Life broadway show and it was AWSOME!!!!!!!!!My favs. were the cheetahs, gazelles and zebras! oh and guess what came today.....the beanbags of kovu vitani and nuka! (vitani looks the cutest) I'd do Anything to see TLKoB!!!well gotta go
BUSA SIMBA! :)

Jun 8 - 12:03

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Ah, there you are, Beerit. Yes, I'm happy when people use the word "forbidden love" instead of incest. Sounds alot less frightening, don't you think so?? Nè, that hacker is no criminal! You're right! He's great!!

The story that the CM told us is very believable if you're telling me... I mean, Kiara running away to the forbidden zone is a great plot. Sorta like the Elephant Graveyard. You never know what those lions who where faithfull to Scar are going to do with the little princess of The Pride Lands... Maybe Kovu is sort of a prins around that pride, because he's going to be raised to defeat Simba. He is supposed to be the NEW KING of Pride Rock.

I agree with Alexander. I think there are more young adults interested in Disney's animated movies than kids... Kids just think it's great, as long as they can watch a movie. Young adults like it because they like the story and the meaning of the movie. Practically everyone I know did see TLK on the big screen. Disney has more draught in it's animated films, that's why it is liked by people of every age. I DO hope it will NOT be a childish movie, but a more serious one (but er..... I DO wanna laugh now and then!!)

Kovu-Holic, I understand the problem, I guess there is nothing more to do than check your page now and then to see if the problem is fixed....

Candy..... PLEASE DO make more pics!!
I can't imagine Scar falling in love with some lioness (IF she wants to return his kind gestures!!!) but Kovu changed everything on that. I guess he isn't indeed THAT lazy.....*hint, hint*

Beerit, WAAAAAAHHH!!! I like the fan-art drawings you've got in your site!!! They're great!! (mmmmm... the one with the Kovu-Kiara kissing... there is no deeper meaning in that picture, now is there? He's a bit too enthusiastic, isn't he? Isn't he just forcing here?)
**JUST KIDDING!**
I like that picture most! So cute!!

yeesh, it's been a long time since I've posted here.... Unfortunatelt, I haven't any rumors or info to contribute, I just feel like commenting on other people's postings.
I got the Kovu and Kiara beanies, of course *grin* and the CM told me that "Kiara is Simba's daughter, and Kovu is her friend."
Leaves a little to be desired, doncha think? I think the 2 beanies are adorable, btw, and the attention to detail is wonderful (like the black earmarks on kovu's ears) .....but how come Kovu's "mane" is brown instead of black?
Also, I am in total confusion over the plot of SP. Kovu looks EXACTLY like Scar; how Disney expects us to believe that he is not Scar's son (if that is the case) is beyond me. I mean, he even has Scar's nose, which is unlike any other lion's in the movie. Coincidentally, Vitani has this nose as well....hrmm.... siblings?
The adult Kovu pic indeed has a much shorter mane than full-grown Simba and Mufasa, so perhaps the pic is of a teenage Kovu? (sorry, i know someone else here mentioned this, but I can't remember whom). I thought the mohawked teenage Simba was quite interesting btw :-)
Maybe the model for the grown-up Kovu has been changed since 96, but how drastically could you change the character's appearance and still make him look Scar-ish? Not too much....
Wot else.....oh yes. Hw come there is no SP pre-order info in the summer Disney Store Catalogue? There is pre-order info for Poca2, the Black Cauldron, Spirit of Mickey and Lady & the Tramp, I believe.....
Would love to see a scan of Zira....I am dying of curiousity to see what this new villainess looks like. And since we get to see Kovu and Kiara grow up, I assume we get to see a grown up Nuka and Vitani as well.....awesome!
Oh yes, did anyone else happen to see the experiment on a National Geographic show about lions that tested whether or not the colors of a lion's mane actually had an effect on the preferences of lionesses? The scientist made 2 life-size stuffed lions, each with a different color mane, and stuck them out in the wilds of Africa to see what would happen...
Turns out that all of the lionesses tested preferred the stuffed lion with the dark mane over the stuffed lion with the light brown mane (which was ignored completely!)
....guess Scar and Kovu are the real ladies' men of the pride, eh?
What a long comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jun 8 - 10:29

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I have to agree with you on this one Kese: Something fishy is going on with "Simba's Pride" information. And I should tell you that I am not saying that the information that I got from the CM is 100% accurate. It seems very odd that information is so varied and sketchy. But then again, maybe Disney is just trying to get people interested.

As for Nala looking for adult Simba, or any help, in the original TLK. . .when TLK came out there was talk of a number of possible plotholes in the story. One that I remember: Why couldn't the lionesses overthrow Scar themselves? Why did they need Simba? I guess the answer was that they needed a male lion to help protect them? I still don't know about that one.

If Kovu were Scar's true son, a question might be: Are Kiara and Kovu the same age? When did Scar find time to mate with this renegade lioness while he was dealing with the hyenas?

Also something to bring up: Jason Marsden said that Kovu was "Scar's chosen son." That could mean that the Scar followers decided that Kovu was the best equipped to keep Scar's legacy alive.

Again, I don't know if this information from the CM is totally accurate, or if ANYONE knows the actual plot of Simba's Pride, but the CM certainly had no reason to lie when they responded to my question.

Yes, Scar was lazy, I love Scar over all the other characters but there's no way you can say he wasn't lazy.
Sure he rounded up the hyenas, but big deal. Looks like he threw some food at them once in a while and then sat back and let them do all the dirty work. Not once in TLK do we get the idea that Scar is doing anything by himself.
After all, look what happened when he took over Pride Rock. He did nothing and the place went to ruin. He was quite happy to sit in his cave eating and let the hyenas and the lionesses run the show.
Also, if there was another male in the vicinity why didn't the lionesses ask him for help. They sent Nala out to find help, they wouldn't have to do that if there was another male in the area that could have challenged Scar. Nala wasn't looking for Simba in particular, she just happened to run into him first(makes you wonder how many lions there are in the TLK Africa)
I'm not saying the CM is lying, I'm just saying these scenarios present some problems in keeping with the TLK storyline. Maybe Disney is intentionally giving different info. to different sources keeping the storyline a secret. The trailer on May 10th told us nothing, they're pushing merchandise without telling anyone who these characters(except Kiara) really are, there's commercials already and still no trailer which explains anything. After all it's a great way to generate interest. It's working on us:)
Also, has anyone else noticed that SP is getting an even bigger campain than Mulan?

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Kese, you think Scar was lazy? If he had been a lazy bum, how could he have rounded up all those hyenas and pulled off such an elaborate scheme and murder?

And if Kovu is, like you are trying to make everyone believe, Scar's son, he couldn't be TOO lazy.

I don't think the info I've posted (which is from a castmember) is unbelievable---Scar could have followers, and yes, those followers could reproduce (certainly Scar wasn't the only other available male lion in all of Africa), plus not all male lions stick around after they mate, which could help explain the absence of Kovu's dad (and possibly mom, since we still don't know much about Zira).

Yes, I'm just guessing about all these scenarios, but you yourself were just saying that these CMs have no reason to make stuff up.

I agree with you in your hopes that the story isn't too jumbled or full of plot holes. They've been working on Simba's Pride for at least 3 years, so hopefully they've been careful.

And yes, it looks like they are marketing SP to adults with these commericals----which is WONDERFUL in my opinion. I know plenty of adult TLK fans (and remember, this is a sequel to a film released 4 years ago). And hopefully because of this marketing the film won't be too "kid-like" like "The Return of Jafar."

On another note, I was recently discussing with some friends that it doesn't seem like a whole lot of kids (but I'm certainly not saying all kids) are interested in cartoons anymore----maybe because they want to feel grown up----but young adults are. What do you guys think?

Hey Kovu-Holic! I know what yer problem is. I had the same problem on my first page. ((which really sucked, but that's beside the point)) Did you rename yer pics? 'Cause that was one of my probs...

What you do is you go to the site on Netscape ((this only works on Netscape since Internet Explorer doesn't have this function)) then you right-click on the picture, click on 'copy image location'. Then go to whatever thing you use for editing, geocities, angelfire, whatever, and click on 'rename'. Paste the image location in the new name box, but delete all of the actuall address.

Like, if you paste something like this:

www.geocities.com/Sewer/Pipeland/3456/image2223

you delete all except the 'image2223'. All the pics will have the imagesome-number-or-other and that's what you rename the pic as.

It's a bit tedious, I know and that might not even be yer problem, but I'm just guessing. I just stopped renaming my pics when I saved 'em. :P

Long live TLK,
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p.s.: That part from TLKoB was tres cool, eh? To bad they didn't show the whole thing, I'd love to see it, though I won't. :>

Dara, some people have been having trouble getting the images to load on my site. But I have no idea why. And I dont know about getting parts of the preview on to the site, after all, I only have 6MB to work with, and I'm already taking up about 2 1/2. But I'll see what I can do. About the images not loading, I'll see what I can do about that, maybe I should take em all down and upload them all as JPGs. I dont know what I should do. Brian, any suggestions? Oh well, right now I'm working on a links section and I already have Berrit's, KH#1's, and Myra's site there. If any of you all that I forgot want a link to their site on my page, just e mail me and I'll get it on the site. Oh, and today I went to the Disney store hoping to find a Kovu there, but there was NOTHING:\ I hope they get the beanies in soon because I can't stand it anymore! Also, I went to the movies to day to see The Truman Show and when I was in the lobby, the Circle of Life song came on. I wonder if SP is going to be released in the theatres instead of video? I hope it goes to the theatre, that would be great! Well, thanks to all of you who have come to my site, and I'll be posting later.

I was watching the Tony Awards on CBS and at about 10:25 p.m. EST they showed a preview for Simba's Pride. It was the same teaser clip that was first spotted during the Barbara Walters pre-Oscar interview special and shown during the Animal Kingdom special on ABC and on the Flubber video. The only slight difference was in the "Lion King" portion title there was a roman numeral 2 next to Lion King.

I don't know Alexander, but that doesn't sound plausiable(Scar being involved with another pride of lions in the time frame of TLK)Let's face it Scar was lazy, really lazy. If they're going to keep him in character that little plot twist wouldn't work. That would have to mean Scar took time out from bossing around the hyenas and Pride Rock group to go out and make nice with another pride(nice enough to have them be loyal to him)all without his hyena friends or the lionesses knowing.
Quite a trick for a layabout like Scar..
Also, if we take the view that the lionesses left after Scar was defeated and then Kovu was born, well there were no other males around to, well, you know....so who is Kovu's dad and why doesn't that male(if it's some other male than Scar) try to take over Pride Rock? So either way it's a really convoluted plot. I really hope Disney wrote this thing carefully. I would hate to have waited for 4 years for a plot full of holes and inconsistencies. It almost would seem then that Disney really wanted to use Kovu as Scar's son but have backed down on it due to pressure or he will be Scar's son and Mufasa and Scar's background will have to be more fully explained(personally I'd prefer a prequel to a sequel)
Btw did anyone catch the Tony's and see the SP ad. They're playing them to an adult audience(after 10pm) which suggests this movie is less geared towards the kiddies than the Alladin sequels I hope all this advertising and toys so early means we get a more fully explained trailer on the next couple of video releases

Jun 7 - 20:21

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Kese, I have to assume that the lions that this CM is refering to are NOT the same ones from "The Lion King" (like Sarabi, Sarafina, and all the lionesses) but another group of lions (the so-called "Scar's pride") that was mentioned some time ago. You also have to remember that we don't know how much time has passed between what goes on in the sequel and what happened in the first movie.

I'm just speculating about this, but Scar could have been involved with another pride during the time frame of the original "Lion King"----so much time passed during the movie, and he was already an outcast. Or they could be "Scar-followers" or something (Ya never know).

And again, I'm just repeating what the anonymous CastMember wrote.

Hey! Did you guys see that there was ANOTHER Simba's Pride commerical tonight, during the Tonys? I saw one yesterday during basketball on NBC too. Both of them were the ads that did not show new footage.

And hooray! TLK on Broadway's Julie Taymor and co. took home some awards (don't know how many----only watched about 20 minutes of the show.

Jun 7 - 20:10

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TLK JUST WON FOR BEST MUSICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES YES YES YES

BUSA TLK

Jun 7 - 19:58

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I just watched the Tony's. The TLK segment was unbelievable, makes me want to see it even more then ever ( if that is possiable).

TLKoB won best director, coreography, set design, costumes, and score!!!!!!

About that Disney Beanies Discussion board info.
All the lions under Scar's rule were banished? -All- of them? Wouldn't that count Sarabi and Sarafina and every other lion at Pride Rock?
I'm not arguing with you, but doesn't that sound a little weird? There weren't that many lionesses at Pride Rock as it was(about 6-7 by my count during the final scenes of TLK)
I can see the hyenas being banished(which might account for why they won't be in SP, too bad..)But the lionesses? That doesn't make much sense:/

Jun 7 - 19:50

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Hey everyone! Just a little update on the Simba's Pride information that has been given to the Disney Store.

As I reported earlier, I got some information from a Disney bean bag discussion page concerning the plot of Simba's Pride. You can even check out all these discussions for yourself.

Just go to www.dizbeanies.com, and go to the Disney beanies section. When you get to that section, start scrolling down until you come accross a link for Becky and Simba's page (it has a logo with Simba in a pith helmet). Anyway, once you get to this site, go to the discussion board link and you can read this for yourself.

But if you don't feel like doing that, here's the response I got from an anonymous Castmember:

"I am not the one who gave info before, but the stores were just given some info. on the story. Kiara is Simba's daughter and is like he was. . .a curious cat. Kovu lives with the lions who were loyal to Scar, and have been banished by Simba to live outside of the Pridelands. It did not say that Kovu is related to Scar, but it did say that he is being groomed to take up where Scar left off. Kiara goes to the banished area against Simba's wishes and befriends Kovu. That is about all that we have been given so far. Hope it helps. Sorry for the earlier confusion. I even thought he was Scar's son, he looks a lot like him.
A Castmember"

So there you go.

As for Kovu's resemblance to Scar: Yes, at one point Kovu WAS Scar's son. This was reported in Variety some time ago.

However, you can't assume that just because his appearance is similar to Scar that they must be related. If you used this logic you could state that Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse are related because they look "just alike."

Hey Candy! Unless yer busy, do you think maybe you could make a header for my page? ((Kovu& Kiara's First Hekalu)) Or maybe, if yer really bored, one for my other page, Vitani's Spoof? ((Now there's a challenge considering the only released image of her was a weird beaniebaby tag :>))

I've seen yer Kiara bg and it's way cool, the very first SPbackground. :) You're a really good compuder artist, all my comp-art sucks. :>

All That TLK/SP Stuff,
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Jun 7 - 18:27

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ok forget about the chat room!!in 15 minutes on CBS the Tony Awards will be on and a song from TLKoB will be a candidate!!!

Jun 7 - 17:45

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Berrit, hehe thanks! I can't wait to get yer em about pics to draw!;) And I love that adult Scar pic! People, if that ain't scars son, then disney made a mega big boo boo on drawing him to look almost exact to the villian! Geez! But anyway, any pic requests, just ask and i'll see what i can do! byee!

Jun 7 - 17:00

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everybody meet in the chat room tonight at 9:00 eastern, 6:00 PDT ok?

Jun 7 - 16:47

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Amira,
there's a pic of Vitani on the rumor mill. Just scroll down a long ways until you see "Vitani" in red letters, so you can click on it. It's from the tag on the bean bag. Theres also one for Nuka. As for Zira I dont know, but I'll keep a lookout and post it if I find one.

Brian,
Beerit's e-mail address worked for me,I think, because I sent one and didn't get an error response. So I don't know...

Hmm. It's been said before and it's true. Kovy looks just like a minature Scar. Kovu is swahili for Scar. You slap a scar on his eye and wha-la!

Well, okay the Adult Kovy pic makes him look a bit... kinder and friendlier than Scar, but it's only the expression. Even if Disney says he's not related to Scar, I mean, how much closer can you get???

--Imbaji

p.s.: OH yes, I've finally started working on Kvu& Kiara's Hekalu. So I started it a bit.... earlier than maybe I should have ((around 2:00@)) but whatcha gunna do about it? It doesn't have frames yet and I'm still working on my BACK button so right now you have to use yer browser's BACK button, but if you're really bored you can see my site at:

"Kovu is in no way related to Scar. All the lions from the pridelands that were under Scar's rule were banished from pride rock, Kovu was a cub that was part of that banished group. Now he is being raised by the other lions to follow in Scar's footsteps and to take over pride rock."

Don't know who sent this in, but I have requested more information from them.

About Kovu being Scar's nephew....
I doubt that will happen, but it is possible and it doesn't mean that Simba and Kovu are brothers.
Let's say Mufasa and Scar had different mothers, and that Scar's mother also had a daughter with another lion...and that daughter would be Zira!
And Zira is going to be Kovu's mom, right?
It's just a thought....but in that case Kovu wouldn't be related to Simba or Kiara at all...but he would still be related to Scar!

how could kovu be scar's nephew? wouldnt that make simba and kovu brothers, since simba is scar's nephew?

Jun 7 - 10:33

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sorry for the dilay in answering your messeges, my frinds, my pc
went nuts everything in it was destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!
just kidding! but its totlay wrecked!!! BUUUUT! I m happy to tell u, kh#1, I m n oficial email owner!
beerit@internet.zahav.net
feel free to email me, my friends!! I m more then happy to make u sit for hours in front of one of my boooorin messeges!!!
Candy, I loooooobed the pic! I will email u with ideas for pics for my sites! oh, I have soooo many email to make, & so few HOURS!!!!!!
Brian, I was sure u had it with no doubt, but I dont think you'de LIE to me so I guess its MY scruwed mamory.... I can barely remember what I ate for lunch today so I'm guessing its me.....
Dara, the hacker was a wonder kid that always looked for holes in security of sites & warned people not to give they're credic card there & told the site builders about it. besides, he reliesed his phone number & picture on the net! how criminal can he be?!??!?!?!
I like him! I'm glad he's not in jail! well, enough world wide matters that concirn the whole global population, lets talk about MEEEEE!!!!!
I like all of them, & I think the 2nd one is the most powerfull too, but its too big..... ): the 2nd one is pretty cool but its too colorful, & in the 4th one u can hardly see the text. the 1st one is plain all stupid....
I read "Touch of the nisei" in one day. (who needs to go to school?) & its realy great! I recomend it! its soooooo sad when Ellane had so say goodbye to...... oh, I'm not gonna tell u!!!!! but it has n awful ending! I wanted it to be more "& they lived happily ever after"...... oh well, READ IT!
By the way, Candy, I think you're gonna be the margaret patrie of "Simba's Pride"!!! if u stick to making pics for my site & my site alone!!!!! couse if u dont..... oh, well.... use your emagination....... hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah! (yet another mean laugh)
shenzi, I liked meg from hercules couse she was bad! at first, then she got all "oh, I'm in pain! help me, rescure me, lend me money to go see TLK". but she was cool when she wasnt in love with herc. although I think her song (I forgot how it was called) about not wanting to fall in love was cool!
well, anough herc for today! oh, & shenzi, the Kovu pic was drawn by our veru own..... (drums) CANDYYYYYYYYY! ole
I think its cool about simba's doughter beng a.... well, daugher! but I always wanted to se how a mix of such good looking lions like simba & nala would turn out! if u want to know aht I think I think he would have been some handsome lion!!!!! I always like simba, too bad ge didnt have twins or something..... although then the plot would have
]been from hell, but who cares!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Simba #2, NOW!!!! there, I'm done......
Hong Kong Phooey, I will email him. who cares, it'll olny take a minute, & maybe I'll get info!
but I wount bug him couse I'm not like that..... (bzzzzzzzzzzz)
gridlock, where did u get this info? I'de rather know before I put it in my site.....
kese, I'll go with the "Or does it?" for now....... besides, who will buy the "son of a lion that passed through the out lands & fell in love with Zira"?! scar's son is so much more......short......
Alexander, now that simba isnt the main character (or is he?!) he doesnt have to look like a young strong handsome lion, but like a father figure! besides, the animators are difarant so what can u expect?
Kovu-holic, if u need help in any way, just turn to me! I dont have a life! just kidding. I'm just realy fast in making HTML that's all...... well, since we both ahev Kovu sites I can asume that we both like Kovu! so lets work together! just email me for help!
Alexander, a rafiki song?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! (confused)
about sarabi, maybe simba would say something like "I wish mom & dad were here....." or something & then u get it. But I dont think he'll say something like
"too bad mom went on a trip in the african safary"! TeHe!
what's with u guys? who cares if they say kiara was a prince or a princess?! so then they didnt know what its gonna be & guessed, end of story! what do u want from thoes poor guys?
or should I say, them poor guys!
kese, speculate?! who's specolasting? disney reliesed that info (or it was leacked out)! why do we ASUME that there will be a character named Zira in SP? its the same thing......
Chris, u see cub kiara & cub kovu together so there goes your whole theory.......
Alexander, sorry to tell u this, but simba is scar's nefew........ I though if all kinds of fan fics of scar & mufasa's lost brother (I have lots of versions of TLK in my head, couse I'm a bad writer so I cant publish them! maybe if u email me I'll tell u all about them) & Kovu is the son of the lostr brother?
but who kniows, even if he is his nefhew its still "orbidden love". (happy now, Dara?)
KH#1, I'm putting the adult Kovu pic in my site!
Alexander, I LOVE U TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for the Kovu pic!

hmmmmm..... I just thought of something! when do u know that Scar & Mufasa r brothers? when scar sais :"well if it isnt my big brother...." & when mufasa calls to him "BROTHER!" when he is hanging off the clif. well, maube mufasa was kinda like a big brother to him, couse they grew up together?! maybe scar's father died & ahadi raised scar so scar was the next in line, but not in blood!
& as for the "BROTHER!" call, because they grew up together they refered to each other as "brother". what do u think?

we are one

p.s. I made a little fan art!!!!!!! I'm not gonna put it in my site couse it sucks...
here's the adress :
I can just here Dara now: "Beerit, stick to site building!"
But I think its pretty nice (I'm trying not to say "good") for a very first try in the fan art kingdom......
NAAAAAAAAA!
p.s.s. no, maybe I wont email him. it will be too much............TKL - Simba's PrideKovu's Ari

Jun 7 - 10:24

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Yes!! Adult Kovu has Scar's eyes!!!! That's for sure, they don't look that mean, but they look the same!! (oh, it could be his nephew of course like someone else said. That would make Zira a sister of Mufasa and Scar. That's exciting too!) He IS related to Scar in one way or another.

Have nothing more to say...

Bye!!

Dara

Jun 7 - 10:19

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I just watched that live broadway show in which they advertised TLKoB, but they only had about 10 seconds on the begining of the Circle of Life. it showed a guy singing and two giraffe silhoutes in the background. Nothing much.

Btw, does anyone know what the next Diz video release is? I'm hoping that there will be a new trailer on it...
Let me take a moment to defend my posistion on this whole Kovu thing. You see to me the story will loose a lot of it's bite if Kovu is just some lion and not Scar's son. Why then should Simba be so upset? It's apparent Kovu is a good guy, if he is why should there be any conflict at all?
The only way Simba could be so upset is if Kovu is sonehow related to Scar. Without the spector of "Scar's Blood" taking over the throne, there really is no conflict.
As a side note: I'm writing from NY today and went to the Disney Store while out doing some shopping and the CM at the Store in White Plains also refered to Kovu as Scar's son.....(I went in, in the hopes that they might have some larger SP plushies, the beanes are cute, but not my thing:P
Also the movie is being made by DTV Australia, so that's where the most reliable info. would come from.

Okay, I apologize if this is outdated (I've been away from a decent computer in a while!) but yesterday I was at a Flea Market, and in one shop this guy had all these Beenie Babies in case. Well, he had all these Disney ones on the bottom shelf, and right next to Simba, Nala, Timon & Pumbaa were Beenie-babies of KIARA & KOVU!! (Sorry if the names are wrong- that's the last I heard...) I was REALLY surprised! They had Disney-Store tags on them and they weren't fakes or anything. Weird, huh? I mean, LK2 isn't due until Oct.! But they were really cute!
HAKUNA MATATA!!

Jun 7 - 07:22

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dearest hong kong phooey ...

all of the zira voice changes are very, very recent (courtesy of a friend who was fortunate enough to work on the movie). susan pleshette is providing all the vocals with some assistance in the singing (only two voices, not three).

Hi
I have some new fan faction charaters,and if you want some inforemation about give me an E Mail.

Jun 7 - 06:43

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I think that pic of Adult Kovu is cool, I hope he hasn't been revised to much. Atleast-- Not for the worst. :>

Yer saying that was released, like, two years ago? Sheesh.

OH yeah. I thought taht pic might look a bit better if it was cleaned up a bit and coloured and junk and the part of the cover not of Kove taken out soooooo I did that. Okay, it looks pretty bad and I could have done a better job colouring it, but... OH weel.

If you wanna see it go to http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Tower/5910/Kovy.html feel free to use it if you like, though it looks pretty bad. I have no claim on it whatsoever, all I did was clean it up. ^.^

To bad they didn't do one of Adult Kiara too. I need stuff to do these days and I'm bored. ((Other than making my pages, which might I add, are coming along nicely. Although I have yet to do anything at all. ;>)) Editing with pics gives me something to do.

Hakuna Matata,
Busa Simba,
We Are One,
And All That Other Stuff,
--Imbaji, ((bad)) Pic Editor.

Jun 6 - 22:15

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A question for those who have seen the Adult Kovu concept art.
Does anyone else think Kovu looks like a teenage lion in the pic. In a TLK book Mufasa had a small mane like Kovu does in the pic and they called him "still a little lion".
I wonder if he ever gets older then a teenager in the movie.

Sorry about that-- I'm really not having the easiest time keeping everybody's names straight, especially when everyone goes by nicknames that keep changing. I'll add your name to the credits too, if I can figure out a way to do it that makes sense.

I don't know whether they've redesigned Kovu or not, but they've rewritten the story at least twice since I first saw that picture over two years ago. It was part of a promo package, which is why it's been in that brochure (which also hasn't changed its format in two years-- that Kovu pic was in it in summer 1996 too).

Brian

Jun 6 - 17:36

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Gee, Brian, not that my feelings are hurt or anything, but I also had something to do with providing the adult Kovu pic (though I didn't scan or send it to you, I tried) that is on your Simba's Pride page.

But I'm just glad that Kovu-holic was nice enough to volunteer his services and get the pic on his site and this one. Now everyone can see adult Kovu, and they don't have to wait 2 weeks until they get their brochures!

Do you really think they might have changed Adult Kovu's design much? Couldn't Disney TV insert any new designs for Kovu into their new brochure?

Sorry Chris, but that post Chester made was most likely not true. Walt Disney Feature Animation in Florida and California has nothing to do with "Simba's Pride." "Simba's Pride" is from Walt Disney TV Animation, which for years has not even been on a Disney lot (like Imagineering and even Disney Feature Animation California, though the California Feature division moved back to the Disney lot recently). So this tale is most likely not true, as Florida has had their hands full with "Mulan."

And no, I did NOT encourage any harassment of Tad Stones. E-mailing someone for information is not harassment. You have to be persistant to get information.

Just came back from the Disney Store, where I was picking up a second Kiara bean bag (to go with my second Kovu) and the talking Mush the dragon from Mulan.

When I went up to the counter, the CM said, "Oh, did you know that we also had Scar's nephew. . . what's his name?"

And I said "Kovu?" And she said, "Yes!"

I said, "Yep, got two of them."

She said something like I was the one who bought them all out.

So there you have it. Another trustworthy CM. Boy howdy, do they know their stuff.

By the way, Kovu-Holic is readying the Adult Kovu pic, so you should check out his site soon.

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Shenzi is right! Where is everyone? Beerit, where are you?? Sorry I called this site interactive you don't need to stay away now.... or... are you on holiday? No, I guess you're sleeping trying to recover from all those sleepless nights! *wink*

Shenzi, I didn't read all the books of Watership Down (I know the first story, I saw the movie.
It was quite good, a little strange, but I liked it.) I even didn't know there were more books.
I like 'The Secret of Nimh' too.
You read it about Uzuri... It's really sad isn't it? About Rafiki too. I was really fealing down when I read that part. Don't worry, Uzuri will be back at the next stories. I read some parts of 'The Promise' (I know a lot of the whole story so I can skip some parts) it's a quite interesting story and it fits here perfectly in the Rumor Mill.

I advice everyone who's so shocked about this whole incest thing to read 'The Promise'. You'll find out how beautiful and innocent a relationship between a sister and brother can be... in fact, the two lions didn't know they were brother and sister in the first place. As long as you are loving not by forcing somebody it's not wrong I guess.
Can two people help it if they are falling in love with someone related? If it's a forced relation- ship it's very wrong and it should be punished severe. I don't think Kovu isn't going to force Kiara to love him, now what do you guys think?!
So, can we PLEASE drop the subject of incest?
Call it 'forbidden love' or something, incest sounds so mean and violent!

I actually DO believe the CM! I mean, if Kovu isn't Scar's son what IS the whole meaning of SP?!
I think it wouldn't be interesting anymore.
Then we only have Zira who wants a vengence. And Kovu will be her son (not Scar's son) and she would like him to vengeance Simba too. Kovu would not see any profit in it. The story becomes interesting, when Kovu IS Scar's son and he falls in love with Kiara. That will make HIM the next king and that would be something Simba would never accept! Now THAT would be a great story!!
You know what I think? We, adults, think too much.
Kids will not know lions are related or what, so what's the big deal... It's only in our mind.

mmmm... enough complaining for today... well, not
complaining but explaining. Should be all right for one night, shouldn't it? I DO hope all the staff members of the Disney Stores do tell more about the whole SP! If they're selling some things, sure the should know more about it, if not.... what ARE they doing in Disney Stores in the first place?

Just wanted to say I'm not getting on Hong Kong Phooey's case about the whole male/female cub thing, just presenting what I've seen and not setting it up in opposition to what he's seen. I don't get too concerned about the Kovu/Scar/son/brother thing. I have a family of cousins (four brothers; no sisters) and three of them have blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, but one has brown hair and brown eyes and dark skin but they all look like their parents (just like an example mentioned below). It can happen. Maybe Disney wants to disseminate contradictory information just to stir up interest. But what do i know?

Shenzi - I'm glad you enjoyed my writing :-), and yes, I am writing more, all the time, but you'll have to wait to read it. However, though I can claim to have created the 'half-brother' scenario, complete with the mother of Scar, Immue, who was different to the mother of Mufasa, I seriously doubt if idea is usable by Disney. The problem is that it doesn't entirely eliminate the 'incest' thing; it just shifts it back a generation. Mufasa and Scar must have had the same father, or perhaps the same mother. If I was Disney I'd opt for 'adoption' of Scar by Mufasa's parents; that way there'd be no blood relationship between Mufasa and Scar whatsoever. This is of course just speculation - i.e. guessing :-). One thing is almost certain, Disney do know about most, if not all, the FF that's been written. I feel they would almost certainly be careful to make sure that any sequel they produce is as much unlike any FF as is possible.
Bye,
Chris.

PS: Thank's Brian for sorting out my HTML mistake a few posts back :-)

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chris, you have a good moint aboutthe kovu/ scar thing. i really enjoyed reading your tlk stories. are you planning on writting anything else ? Hong Kong and Kese, i was in the disney store today to buy the kovu and kiara beanies and the woman told me that Kovu was Kiara's friend not scar's son. i don;t get this. how come some places are saying kovu is kiara's friend and others are saying he is scar's son. is this some kind of conspiracy, are they doing this on purpose ? i think that mufasa and scar could have been half brothers. i know some brothers look absolutly nothing like each other, but scar and mufasa bore no resemblance to each other at all. one of my cousins has blond hair and blue eyes and his brother has brown hair and brown eyes, but you can still tell they're related, especially if you look at their parents. maybee thats it, maybee scar takes after his mom or his mother's father or something. who knows ? i wish disney would make a tlk prequel !! Hakuna Matata and Aiheu bless !

Hello yet again All,
I've been digging in the archives :-). It is clear that SV did have a lot of good 'inside' information. There can be little doubt that he/she works in animation, almost certainly in Disney itself. They said that Kovu was not Scar's son in a very angry post - under the circumstances it is understandable if they (I can't say he, and he/she is so awkward) made a slip of the fingers. We shall have to wait and see.
Interestingly I came across this post. At the time I think I, and probably most of us, paid little attention to it, but have a look at it again, and I think that it looks rather more fascinating now:

From: Chester
"Last summer in august i went to disney world. i got to go on one of those tours of mgm studios through the studio and soo on. the man talked about a lion king sequel cause someone asked why a
person was drawing simba in one of the studios. i was curious since the lionking is my favorite disney flick, and asked the tour guide after the tour about the sequel, its kinda like what we already have here, but i think it might answer a question too. ok he said that it was about scars REAL son kovu, who was born after scars death. see a lioness in the tribe achually fell in love with scar(strange but true!)and they mated. she was still pregnant with kovu when scar was killed. after that,she was mad and left the pridelands and went to anouther pride to raise kovu. when he was a teenager(in lion years) and asked about his father and she tells him the whole story, of course left out the part that scar killed mufasa and put in a bunch of stuff on how great scar was! anyway, kovu got mad at simba cause his mom blammed it all on simba, so he wanted to get revenge. so he goes to pride rock to get simba, meets kiara/shani or whatever and they hit it off and then he meets simba and simba tells kovu the real story on what happened with scar and he gets mad and runs off. shani or whatever follows him and he calls simba a lier and shani believes it so they run off together. simba gets pissed so him and nala go and find them somewhere. he didnt tell me the ending. he also said that disney was gonna call it Kovu's Revenge but no one knew who kovu was so the called it simbas pride"

Sounds to me as if this could well be an accurate - if rather breathlessly garbled - run down of the main plot. It matches a lot of what we now know from the preview.
Bye,
Chris.

Hi, you know how everyone's wondering how Scar got a pride and all? Well, I've come up with a little theory, expanding a bit on an area left open by Disney and the writer(s) of The Chronicles of the Pride Lands.

Well, you know how Elanna is Scar's girl well, if just renamed her Zira, that takes care of that part. And you know how the hyenas are going to kill Elanna to hurt Scar or something, but then they see PR on fire and leave her there?

Well, what if there were, like, a bunch of other lionesses that liked Scar and the hyenas just left them there to go back and fight. Well, Elanna/Zira and the lioness would be too scared to go back because it's obvious Scar loses, so they go outside the PR Lands and form their own pride. Wouldn't that work?

And Elanna/Zira gets all corrupted and evil-like because Scar is dead. Wouldn't that work?

Just a thought.

Hakuna Matata,
Busa Simba,
We Are One,
And All That Good Stuff,
--Imbaji

Alexander - no, none of the previews have so far shown any widescreen material. Though you can be forgiven for thinking that. The trailer for the 10th May preview appeared letterboxed, but in fact the top and bottom of the frame were blanked off - as I proved sometime ago - the comparison can be seen at: http://www.lionking.org/~talami/SPcomp.jpg
There is no hard evidence that SP has been made, or will ever be seen in widescreen form. It may be seen in some theatres, but probably in 4:3 format. The 'offsiders', by which I presume you mean Nuka and Vitani, were previously associated with Zira (though we didn;t know her name then) and not with Kovu, which seems to be the case now. In short, SV's info was rather less accurate than you would like us to beleive. Though that does not mean I don't think it was valuable, but, that it is not all totally accurate, that's all.
Bye,
Chris.

PS: I really don't support the idea of harrasing anyone, i.e. Tad Stones, he has a right to privacy and frankly if I were him, I'd think very little of folk who hasle him through e-mail. Even releasing his e-mail address is at best insensitive, and in some countries illegal :-(.

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AUUUGHH!!! How many times do I have to repeat myself???? I JUST said that the books must have drawn their own conclusions!! I'm not trying to prove anything.

hi about this in the books there was a son thingy,, Books and movie dont often go hand in hand,, have seen movies that differs alot from the books that its based on,, and the other way around,, cant name any ex because my head is hurting and my memory dont cooperate when it is so,, but if you find a book of simbas pride,, dont think that it follows the movie very exactly,, because thats very unusual,, so dont hang yourself up on litle details you find in books that dont match what you think,,

the Panther

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Whoops! Wrote the url to the SP beanies wrong. It should be:

www.dizbeanies.com/beanies.htm

Jun 6 - 09:19

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Ok, there's finally a picture of the SP Disney store beanies on www.dizbeanies.com, for those of you who missed seeing them.

Got to www.dizbeanies.com.htm

or go to www.dizbeanies.com and hit the "Today's news" link.

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I'm inclined to believe SV's report---made some time ago---that Kovu is not Scar's son. S/He has been right about everything else so far. They also seem to have been someone who was actually working on the movie, unlike us.

SV was right about the villainess, the two offsiders, and the fact that Simba's cub was NOT named Aisha or Shani in the sequel. SV was right about the hyenas not being in the movie either. I believe SV also said the movie would be shown in theaters in other countries, in widescreen format----in the commercial for the May 10 preview, the scene with Kiara and Simba snuggling was letterboxed, wasn't it? And at the time, SV didn't know for sure when the movie would debut, but the timetable given was about right with the October release date.

Jun 6 - 08:38

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OK guys, I'll lay off any more talk about lion relationships.

And a quick note: I personally wouldn't care if Kovu was Scar's son---I think it would make for a very interesting story.

And yes, maybe you are right that Mufasa and Scar might not be true brothers.

And as I said before I have no problems with Simba's cub being a female. As I have repeated numerous times, I think it was a good idea---I was just saying that some books have said the cub was male----and of course this doesn't really matter, as we know that it is a female in the sequel.

The books seem to have drawn their own conclusions while the movie left things wide open.

I'm saying that I like the fact that the cub is a female and people are still jumping on my back!

I shouldn't believe the cast member when they're reading the info. off of a Disney sent memo? If the CM had said "gee, I don't know who this cub is but he looks like Scar's son" Then I wouldn't believe her. Plus, it's apparent the same info. had been given to other people buying these as Kovu is always refered to by them as "Scar's son" One CM in one state with bad info....sure, but a bunch in different states with the same bad info....not likely.
As for the toys indicating anything, if you all haven't noticed Mattel is using the same exact toys and blurbs they used for TLK. They had a kissing Nala and Simba too, the fact that they are making a kissing Kovu and Kiara just shows they're too lazy to come up with new ideas. Nothing more.
I mean really, look at Kovu. He is a carbon copy of Scar, slap a scar over his left eye and they would be identical.
Use a little imagination, who's to say Scar and Mufasa weren't half brothers. In RL lion society two cubs coming from different moms isn't at all unusual. Plus, incest is a loaded word one usually associates with father/daughter,brother/sister stuff. Not two cousins raised in different places.
Don't jump to conclusions folks, it could very well be that Scar and Mufasa are not full brothers(the fact they look nothing alike supports this idea), no where does it say Kovu and Kiara have anything other than a cubhood friendship(kissing plushies doesn't count), and everyone not involved in the TLK community is refering to Kovu as Scar's son.
I'm not believing eveything I hear(I didn't fall off the turnip wagon just yesterday)I'm just putting all the evidence in it's logical order, all of which says, Kovu is Scar's son.

Hello All,
Hong Kong and Alexander, this incest thing has got way out of hand. In many human societies such a relationship would be quite acceptable, it is often joked that in some parts of the US it is compulsory (as it is very common). The facts indicate that Kovu is Scar's son - so if Disney ARE worried about 'incest', and they are it seems, then the problem is Scar's relationship to Simba, and not per se Kiara's to Kovu. What you are doing is discarding facts because they do not fit your view of what 'should' be happening, whereas you should be changing your view instead. I am sure Kovu will turn out to be Scar's son, but I half-expect that Mufasa and Scar will turn out to be less related than they appeared to be in TLK...
Bye,
Chris.

Hong Kong Phooey,The copy of "The Art of the Lion King" I have gives a publication date of 11/95. If Disney considers the cub at the end of TLK to be male then they're gonna have to deal with people complaining about a really big continuity error when SP comes out, unless they explain about Chaka dying and Kiara being the next in line, but that seems unlikely. Ahh, so many questions. I think it would make sense for Mufasa and Scar to have the same father and Scar and Kovu to have different fathers but the same mother. Think about it. It would make Kiara and Kovu have little, if any, blood relation. Actually, I'm so busy, I still haven't completely thought through if my hypothesis matches with the solid info we have.

Hong Kong Phooey,The copy of "The Art of the Lion King" I have gives a publication date of 11/95. If Disney considers the cub at the end of TLK to be male then they're gonna have to deal with people complaining about a really big continuity error when SP comes out, unless they explain about Chaka dying and Kiara being the next in line, but that seems unlikely. Ahh, so many questions. I think it would make sense for Mufasa and Scar to have the same father and Scar and Kovu to have different fathers but the same mother. Think about it. It would make Kiara and Kovu have little, if any, blood relation. Actually, I'm so busy, I still haven't completely thought through if my hypothesis matches with the solid info we have.

Ever heard of The Prides MUCK? I've got the part of 'tani there. I figure, if, and when, I finish Kovu& Kiara;s Hekalu I'll make Vitani's Spoof. Don't ask why I picked spoof. I just felt like it. :>

--Imbaji, aka Vitani-Holic

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Kese, I can see how you'd believe the CM, but I find it hard to believe that Kovu is Scar's son. I mean, Mattel is selling Kovu and Kiara toys that give each other lip locks! Cousins giving each other a peck on the cheek is one thing, but come on!

Also, you'll even note on Etoys and Disney.com's bean bag site that they describe Kiara as "Simba and Nala's daughter" but Kovu as "her fun-loving pal." Why wouldn't they just call Kovu "Scar's son?"

The only logic I could think of is that the cubs discover they are related and call any romance off---but doubt that this would happen.

CMs don't always get the story right. Disney has a number of communciation problems. Many Disney employees didn't know that a Disney short--"Redux Riding Hood"(produced by Disney TV animation)---was up for an Academy Award.

You can believe whatever you want, but I'm just warning you that you can't believe everything you hear there.

Guys, I'm pretty sure the cm is right. Why? Because I didn't ask for the info. it was given to me. I bought Kovu to the counter and the woman said, "Now you realize this isn't Scar you're buying it's his son from the new TLK movie." I said,"Oh really, how do you know this." CM:"Well, they sent us a little info. with the beanies and it says that Kovu is Scar's son. But they haven't given us the plot in full yet."
That was the exchange and I'm inclined to believe it.
As for the Disney Store in Manhattan having a TLK store, no, I was in Manhatten a couple of months ago and all they have is a small section devoted to TLKoB souviners. I'm going there this weekend and will check, but as far as I know the Scar, Mufasa and Ed plush toys aren't due out for another 3-4months.
Also, why is everyone assuming that Kiara and Kovu end up together. There may be a bittersweet ending to the film, it's useless to speculate.

Jun 5 - 20:06

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Kiara-Holic, you're right about "The Art of the Lion King" not specifying the gender of the cub.

I got "The Art of the Lion King" right when the movie came out--actually in May 94--before the movie came out. How could the book have debuted in 1995? (Or am I misunderstanding you??)

Can you believe it? I went over 24 hours without posting to the rumor mill. I just got my guestbook operational again and was able to salvage and archive the old entries (except for 2-3 that got away). In "The Art of the Lion King" at the beginning, Simba is referred to as the Prince (or maybe the lion cub formerly known as the Prince), but the cub at the end does not have its gender specified and is not referred to as either a prince or princess. This is not to rag on Hong Kong Phooey's (He's the number super guy and quicker than the human eye) earlier remark about the cub at the end of TLK being referred to as a prince in a book that came out even before the theatrical release of TLK, because the publication date of "The Art of The Lion King" is 11/95, which is a little over a year after TLK came out in theaters. It just shows that even that early Disney may have considered the cub at the end of TLK to be a female. And like humans, lions probably don't show too many secondary sex characteristics 'til later on in life.

HEY! Just saw a "Simba's Pride" commercial on NBC (during basketball). No new footage---I think it may have been the same one that aired during the Barbara Walters special (which I never saw).

Geez, I wonder how much they're gonna hype this thing---it is only JUNE!

Jun 5 - 18:49

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Good point Shenzi, but they hyenas aren't in the sequel either----and surely they aren't dead (they lived on in the Timon and Pumbaa show). Consider Sarabi Missing in Action (we don't want her dead do we?).

Oh--someone on the Rumor Mill said that the SP Disney store bean bags were only in test market stores. Do we know if this is true? If it is, those of us that got them (like me) really lucked out.

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Hong Kong Phooey- i am asumming sarabi will be dead because she isn't gonna be in sp. i think she's dead because why else would she not be in the sequel ?

Jun 5 - 17:48

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Shenzi, how do you know Sarabi will be dead? SV said she wasn't even in the movie!

Jun 5 - 17:40

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OK Chris, the reason that we believe Kovu isn't Scar's son is the fact that Kiara and Kovu are going to be a couple in the movie, and (I Hate bringing this up once again) Eisner reportedly nixed any notions of incest.

So if Kovu were really Scar's son, he wouldn't be all lovey-dovey with Kiara.

While some kids might not notice if the lions were related, remember that many ADULTS are fans of The Lion King (I'm 22) and have some sort of mental capacity to figure out that Scar and Simba were related. No, the Lion King isn't just for kids, and I'm sure the SP producers know this and hopefully won't think we're all really stupid. I'm guessing that they'll either loophole their way out of any iffy situations, like never mentioning who Kovu's parents are, etc., or straight out tell us he's not a spawn of Scar.

And do you guys remember SV (where is he anyway?)? So far his reports have been pretty accurate. He (or she) is the one that told us that Kovu isn't Scar's son.

Kovu-Holic, I HOPE my picture gets there tomorrow!!!

Forgot who mentioned this: There are already Scar and hyena plush toys at the Disney Store in Manhattan?? Gotta look out for those.

Read somewhere on DejaNews about the songs in SP (I have no idea if the info was accurate) but they listed several songs: We Are One, a Rafiki song, a Zira song, a love song, and a track from "Rhythm of the Pridelands" (I'm just guessing that the song could be "It's Time" as that song wasn't used on Broadway). Anyone know if this stuff is true?

Jun 5 - 17:38

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dara- oh my God they killed uzuri !

Jun 5 - 17:17

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hey where is everyone ? usally when i get on here in the evening it takes me 15 to 20 minutes to read everyones messages. Hong Kong Phooey is probably right Kese. the cm could be wrong. i think that some of the people that work at the disney store i go to don't even no the difference between simba and nala. a lot of the tlk books i've seen say that simba and nala have a son. i'm glad that they have Kiara though. I'm also glad that she's got a different attitude about being queen than simba did about being king. you know he was so excited and kiara couldn't care less about being queen. Alexander- simba does look more like mufasa. i have mixed feelings on this. i think its cool that her grew a bit, but i liked the way he looked before better. i liked that his mane was lighter and that he had a lighter build than mufasa. i saw a picture of a lioness on Beerite's website that looked like she could be a younger version of sarabi. she definetly wasn't sarabi though because we all know sarabi's going to be dead in sp ( i wonder if they'll mention how she died ) and i know the lioness wasn't nala or sarafina. was she adult Kiara ? I saw the licking nala and simba's family on Beerit's site and they are so cute. Beerit, i love Kovu's ari and that stuff about being a Kovu holic is funny. Tomorrow i'm going to get the kiara and kovu beanie babies. the store closest to me didn't have them so i called anouther disney store and they are being held for me. the woman i talked to said they are selling out fast and that they also carry other sp plush toys. i gotta go to new york. my friend said one of the disney stores in Manhatten has an entire room dedicated to tlk and they carry hyena and scar stuffed toys. Does anyone have that cheetah plush toy ? i saw it once but now i can't find it. it must be rare. Dara- i was reading parts of the Leonid saga. i love ahadi and scar and mufasa were sweet as cubs. what i read of that story reminded me of the rabbits tales in the watership down sequel. did you ever read the watership down books ? if you liked the tlk saga you'll enjoy them too. we are 1.

I just uploaded my *real* guestbook and its ready for your feedback. Also, the adult Kovu picture that Alexander has sent to me hasnt arrived here yet, but it should be here by tommorrow. Just look out in the pics section of my site for it. And common people, only one person has bothered to sign my guestbook: Neema. Also, many thanks to KH#1 for all the help that he has given in the making of my site. But, its still not finished, I know I still have to make a links section and I dont know what else I'm going to add to it. Remember- look out for the ADULT KOVU pic!

Hello All,
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand where the idea that Kovu is not Scar's son came from, nor indeed why its so prevelant on this mill. Disney describes Zira as 'Scar's widow', and Kovu is described as her son. Jason Marsden himself is on record as describing Kovu as Scar's chosen son, and Kovu has consistently been portrayed as Scar's son. Kovu even means scar in swahili. Kovu certainly looks like Scar's son, that's for sure. The mystery has never been about Kovu, its about Scar, and about Nuka and Vitani. It doesn't matter whether a cast member said it or not, Kovu is Scar's son, and I think Nuka is too, though Vitani... well, I'm not sure.
Bye,
Chris.

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I just re-watched my tape of the Simba's Pride trailer and just noticed something: I think Simba has been slightly redesigned to look more like Mufasa.

We've all noticed that Simba doesn't look quite the same as he did in "The Lion King" as his mane is colored differently. But I just noticed that Simba's ears are also different now. In "The Lion King" his ears are kind of sharp, and in "SP" they are smaller and rounded like Mufasa's. Simba also looks a bit beefier.

Guess Simba has grown up a little.

What do you guys think?

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It has been my experience that CMs are NOT the most reliable sources in the world.

Many of them don't know what what the hell they are talking about, so don't rely on that CM's comment too much.

Straight from a CM's mouth: Kovu -is- Scar's son.
When buying one of the Kovu beanies, she felt the need to explain that it wasn't Scar I was buying but his son(like -I- needed to be told that;) When I asked her how she knew this she explained that that's what the company had instructed them to tell customers who asked who the cub was.
So, I guess that almost puts the rumors of Kovus parentage to rest. Or does it?:)

Jun 5 - 12:50

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Gridlock, have you worked on "Simba's Pride" or are you just guessing about Kathleen Turner? Jason Marsden (Kovu) just said Turner WAS in "Simba's Pride." Are you saying that Zira has a speaking voice and TWO singing voices? Sounds a bit odd.

kathleen turner is no longer providing the singing voice for zira. susan pleshette will be providing all vocals (apparently she has some trouble hitting the higher notes from the song so a second vocalist is being used and mixed in through the wonders of modern recording technology ... don't know who though).

zazu's voice, from memory, is being provided by an actor by the name of edward hibbert. anyone heard of him?

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Yea i've seen a few books like that. But I am glad they made her a she. If it was a guy, it would seem like the same old same old. *shrugs*

Actually a Scar daughter might have been really neat! tho a female lion with those colors would look kinda odd *shrugs*.;)

Jun 4 - 17:53

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Has anyone written Tad Stones yet? Get cracking!!

E-mail him at

tadst@ix.netcom.com

And if you find out anything, post it!! I can't write him again, cause he knows who I am.

Today I was at Target and picked up a "Lion King" storybook that originally retailed for $15. I bought it there for $1.30!! It is a book that was released in 1994, just before the movie came out. I remember seeing it on vacation at Walt Disney World in May 1994, just before "The Lion King" made its debut! Never imagined I'd get it for such a low price.

And while I don't want to bring this up again, the end of the book does say that Simba and Nala's cub is Simba's son (they even call him a prince).

I also found a "Where's Waldo"-ish Lion King seek-and-find book that also says the cub is a son. But I'm sure we're all familiar with this topic. For the sequel, the cub is a female, something I'm actually glad they did. At least we get a brand new scenario.

Can you imagine if Simba's son had fallen for Scar's (not quite) daughter? Would have been interesting, but I guess the story might be a little too much like "The Lion King," and the son too much like Simba.

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beerit- i like the picture on Kouvu's ari. who drew it ?

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Hakuna Matata ! Alexander- i agree with you about Nuka and Vitani. i like the way they look. Maybee they aren't beatiful like nala, kiara and sarafina but their different look gives them character. kinda how sarabi's look added to her strong and motherly personality. Beerit- i like image 4 the best. i also like image 2. Kiara-holic, i didn't have any problem with how simba looked as a cub, i just couldn't stand Jonathan Taylor Thomas' voice ! i thought it was kind of annoying after a while. its cool though how disney gets famouse ( and extreamly talented ) actors like Rowan atkinson, James earl Jones, Nathan Lane and Jeremy Irons and Whoopie Goldberg to voice their characters. part of the reason i loved Shenzi so much was because whoopie Goldberg voiced her and did such an excellent job. i couldn't think of shenzi not having her voice. i think the actors added some of their personality to their tlk counterparts. Dara- i'll definetly read those other stories after i get aol and can print them at home. i hate printing them on the libraries computer. besides, other people come here to go on the computer so sometimes i get kicked off. i think they even make you pay for paper and after you print a certain number of pages they make you pay for that too because they say the ink cartriges are expensive . Not fair ! oh well. you know, I think those stories were so well written that they should be published. all the other tlk books were ment for childern. i still own a few because i love tlk so much. everytime i see a different preview for mulan the movie looks better than ever. i think i'll like mulan because she's one of the first heroines who wasn't involved in just getting a guy. disney romances are great but i got tired of the same romantic " i can't wait for my prince charming " princessess like belle and ariel and cinderella. mulans a real heroine fighting for a good cause and she got attitude ! I think jasmine was pretty cool also. she had attitude too and she didn't marry anouther prince. she didn't wear frilly dressess and sing songs about the prince she was gonna marry. i think she's a little like Rose from titanic. i know this is a tlk site but if any of you want to see two good movies you should rent L.A confidential and As Good as it Gets. L.A Confidential had a killer plot and AS Good as it Gets was the funniest movie I've seen in a long time. sorry i wrote so much. Busa Simba, Busa kiara !

There's a little mistake in the guestbook. After you sign it, don't follow the link back to my page from the guest book. It will reload the frames and youll have 2 sets of frames. Im trying to fix it now.

Hey everyone. I just uploaded the guestbook, so if you can, please sign it! I havent been getting any e mails from you all! I havent put up any e mailing links yet, but there are two on the main page under the 2 web ring pics. I'm looking foward to the feed back!

Hi guys! this rumor mill is almost beginning to look like an interactive site! with Beerit and Kiara Holic who'll do most of the talking.

Beerit, I like the 2nd button most! the third is so full. The 2nd one is very powerfull I think (with my designer-eye, ha ha!) Oh isn't that hacker in jail?? Good, we need to have a word with him. Oh, I was searching for that picture you told us about Simba looking over the edge... I know what picture you mean, but I also can't find it.

Shenzi, no problem about the info, I hope you have an explanation by now, why the magazine won't come out anymore. You asked about the other stories?
Well, if you love Uzuri, you're certainly going to cry in the Leonid Saga!! (I did at least)
Yes, Uzuri IS in this story, I liked it. It's more about old lion stories which mums use to tell their cubs. I'm not going to tell more....
Uzuri is also in the next 2 stories, so there is enough for you to read. I didn't read the promise yet... But the touch of the Nisei is great!
Shenzi is also one of my favorite characters.
And she wasn't ugly... well.... for a hyena o.k you guys? Oh be careful, before you now it, I'll be a Shenzi-holic again!! You never know!.....

Here we have great LK plushies! with Rafiki, Shenzi, Banzai, Pumbaa... They're small, but very well designed (from Disney) And they're cheap!

Candy, I loooooooooooooooved your picture about Kovu!!!
(screaming together with Beerit:) *MAKE MORE PLEASE!!!!!*
You have talent!

I've never had a picture like that in my archive, sorry... I haven't taken anything out of any of them. Maybe it was a different site you had in mind.

Brian

Jun 4 - 12:18

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I'm so glad you like it!:D I guess it's pretty good for a first try.:) Still trying to get use to drawing those lion bodies. Most of my characters are furries, but with human like bodies.:) Hehe!

Jun 4 - 11:33

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Hong Kong Phooey, harassing people on email?I LOVE IT!!!!!

we are one

Jun 4 - 11:17

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elyse, I'm glad to hear that about the beanies! by the way, I checked it out & it seemes that my SP site has the biggest image archive, sound archive, gif archive, & merchabdise archive! hurray for me!!!!!!!

so, about TKL. I will not tell anyone untill I get n email couse I had to think about a name in 2 seconds & all I came up with was TKL. the meaning is only available to me & my dog, eight.
(shmone in hebrew)
& to my cat who inspires me always. (yes, inspires me to make cat soup...)
sorry......

we are one

Brian, there used to be n image on the image archive act 3. its was called "over cliff" I think. it had simba looking over the cliff (shocking!!!!!!) to look at scar that fell off pride rock. it was a great pic! where is it!? why did u take it out?TKL - Simba's PrideKovu's Ari

Jun 4 - 11:14

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Forgot about this: Last month I found the e-mail address of Tad Stones from Disney TV animation. I decided to e-mail him asking about "Simba's Pride." He said that he was originally going to be involved with the movie, but instead worked on "Aladdin and the King of Thieves" when Robin Williams agreed to return. He said that the original story of SP was very true to the original "Lion King" but the story was deemed unacceptable. He also said he doesn't know anything about the current version of SP.

OK, if he works at Disney TV, he has to know SOMETHING. If enough of us grill him for information, maybe he'll crack or direct us to someone who does know something. E-Mail Tad Stones at: tadst@ix.netcom.com

Maybe we can finally understand everything. Everyone write him!!

Jun 4 - 11:07

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Good Morning! Well, I went back to the Disney store yesterday and found out that few places that the SP beanies have been released at are the test markets and they are apparently selling out as fast as they get them in.So, unless the Disney catalog gets them in I guess I'll just have to wait until August.

Beereit...I think I like #4 the best..What is TKL?? I know what TLK is obviously, but TKL has me stumped.

~~elyse

Jun 4 - 11:00

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P.s. Make more!!!!!!

Jun 4 - 10:06

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Well, KH#1, it seems that I dont know what the hell you're talking about!!! but dint explain, that will cheapen the moment........
Candy, I love u girl!!!!!!!

TO Beerit! I made you a title pic for yer Kovu site, if u don't mind;) hehe, i got bored this mornng. I know Kovu looks funny but i hardly got anythin to look offa! hehe, here it is!

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3058/kovusari.jpg

Jun 4 - 09:20

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I actually like the 3rd button myself;) hehe.! They all look great tho! Love yer site!

Jun 4 - 08:28

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Sorry Beerit,I just got that idea from the way some of the buttons look. We always get things smoothed out, don't we? Your site's looking better. There's all sorts of free internet mail: yahoo, geocities, hotmail, mailexcite, etc. I had to go put a note on my main page to apologize for my guestbook being temporarily down. I remember when we were all anticipating the "May 10 Preview" but do we have any idea when the next thing like that might be? Think I better go to bed now.

KH#1, I dont know where u get the idea that I have a Kovu Kiara site, couse I dont. my site is only for Kovu! & as for the email, I'de love to start writing to peple but I cant. I still have to instsall the prefrences of the email, & I tried & idnt succeed. now I have to wait for my brother to try to do it but he doesnt have any time! I'll try again today! have fun fixen them site. (Te-He)

Beerit,When you going 2 e-mail me? I meant, it looked like you were calling your site a Kovu and Kiara one now, when it used to just be Kovu. Thanks for the buttons. There's a whole bunch of minor changes at my site and even more minor, medium, and big ones to come.

Beerit,I really wish you'd e-mail me sometime. There was something you wrote that made it sound you like you might have thought I was a girl, but I wasn't quite sure. I'm having trouble with my guestbook editor right now, so haven't been able to respond to entries. (Maybe its people from Microsoft persecuting little ol' me; or aliens; or both). Wrote our folks at GeoCities about it and hope they can help me, soon. That's a cryin' shame that Rowan Atkinson won't be doing Zazu's voice. I think young Simba's face was drawn a little too stiff and "cutesy" and commercialized, but thought Nala was done perfectly. I guess I like the cub version more myself but that's not dissin' the adult version or any TLK character, I mean, Rafiki just rules!

Alexander, dont get me wrong, they r cubs & I love em'! but it is so weird seeing disney TRYING to make a lion look bad after TLK's messege of "oh, were so beutiful!" that was send off from the lions. & now u see evil little cubs!
But dont u think its odd to see vilians as cubs? I mean, I bet they are'nt bad as cubs.... or r they?! besides, we dont know if they're vilians or just Kovu's friend or they're simply mean to Kovu or Kiara......
oh, well, I think they'll be evil in any way u look at it.....
what do u think?
Hey, Candy, I put a thank u on each page with your image! did u get my email?
KH#1, I KNOW YOUR A GUY! if I wrote something that said I dont then sorry.....
well, enjoy them buttons (god, I love to say "them buttons")

Let me tell u something. The reason I like Kovu so much is couse I never liked the cubs on TLK & when I saw Kiara I liked her, but I wanted more, & for somereson, when I saw Kovu something hit me! I knew I could never settle for n adult Kovu!
Its young Kovu for me! & that's the weird part.... I wanted Simba & Nala to grow up, & Kiara & Nuka & Vitani....... But not Kovu......
hhmmmmmm......
Chris, r u sure?! I'll go upadate my site but I dont know who the guy u mentioned is.... does he know everything about SP? (all I need is for u to tell me he's the director or something......) (:>
I ewill update my site!

Hello Folks,
I have some information to pass on, so listen carefully, I shall say this only once (twice actually - it didn't register the first time Brian :-). It reportedly comes an AOL chat with Jason Marsden. I think this is reliable, he HAS appeared on such chats before. Anyway, on with the info.
Young Kovu is to be voiced by Adam Wylie,
Adult Kovu is voiced by Jason Marsden
Nuka is confirmed as being voiced by Andy Dick,
Zira's speaking voice is supplied by Suzanne Pleshette, and...
her singing voice is finally confirmed as being that of Kathleen Turner (Yes!!! At last!)
Rowan Atkinson will DEFINITELY not voice Zazu :-(
There it is folks.
Oh, Elyse, who's fan-fic have you been reading :-)? My material is based on exactly this 'half-brother' premise.
Bye,
Chris.

Actually, I can't rip on MS Word too bad. Beerit: thanks a million for the buttons! I like them all! And I'll be linking to both your sites sometime soon. I'll be relinking to Neema's site when she gets everything rehabilitated. Candy, your drawing ain't so bad. Did a search in amazon.com and couldn't find anything SP related, but I'm trying to keep on top of all Kiara-related merchandising. I haven't really thought through the whole logistics of the Kovy/Scar/brother thing, but I thought Mufasa/Scar may have had a father who was a lion in the sort of orangish/goldish-brown vein, and Scar may have had a different mother who was more a darkish-brown/greyish coloring, who then herself quite some time down the road had Kovu either by Scar's father or a different father. I have a half-brother myself eight years older than me. He's really a brother (in our case, we have the same father), but if you want to get technical, he's a half-brother. It seems like Beerit thinks I'm a female? Sorry, male. I'm really not hoping for any character to die. I like 'em all including Nala and Kiara. I did sign the guest book at Nalaholics Anonymous but never went so far as to get myself certified as one because I tend to like the young Nala and all those guys at NA tend towards adult Nala.

hehe! this pic ain't half bad for my second try. She still looks a bit male but i WILL get the hang of it! Hope you guys like it.:) I do!

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/2679/kiaracolor1.jpg

Jun 3 - 20:23

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About Vitani: I think she looks cool! After all, she's a VILLAIN!!! She isn't supposed to be a beauty queen. She's filling the role previously occupied by Shenzi, who herself was no beauty. I like Vitani's funny big ears and vacant expression!!

Remember, Nuka and Vitani are supposed to be comic relief lions---not noble creatures. I like their shaggy appearance. A nice contrast with the sleek elegance of Nala and Kiara.

But again, I warn you: think twice about ordering the Mattel beanies off EToys! They aren't worth the big bucks they are charging! Believe me, I own them.

I forgot who brought this up, but no, I haven't given up on animation or cartooning by any means. There's an animation school I'm looking into right now, plus there are other things I'm working on.

Lioness, I loved your messege.
well, the fan art isnt loaded yet, I'm loading it right now! come back in 10 minutes, ok?
& as for the K, the reasons r kept in my head for they r waaaaaay too stupif for the human ear to hear.......
so there.....

hakuna matata ! Dara , thank you for the info on that site. i'm still not done reading under the acacias. how are the other stories. Uzuri's in them right ? Beerit- i'm confused, what disnet link do you mean ? i can't remember posting one, but i do remember posting something about ordering a real lion king movie script.If anyone wants to order one, tell me and i'll post the info again. that was a long time ago though. Kiara-holic, thanx for the info on windows 98. if it really does suck i won't get it. is it faster than windows 95 and do you think 95 will become outdated soon ? i hope not. i don't know too much about computers. Alexander, thanx for the disney beanies adress. i hope they do come out with a scar, ed and mufasa beanie. i can't find a scar or ed stuffed toy anywhere. i wish they would do all three hyena's though. i love shenzi, she's my favorite of the trio. i'm in high school but am thinking about a career in animation or even screenplay writting. i draw other things in pastels and pencil, but i still love drawing tlk characters, because seeing tlk got me interested in disney and in animation again. i was 12 when tlk came out and if disney had never made tlk i probably would have lost intrest in tlk and never started to draw. wow, i never relized how much of an impact tlk had on my life. anyway, i hope you do become an ainimater one day Alexander, its never too late to pursue your dream.

Jun 3 - 17:31

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Beerit

1.When I click on any of the fan art, it says that the file doesn't exist. you know why?

2.What does the "K" in "THE K LANDS" stand for?

3. I love your site! :)

We Are One

Jun 3 - 17:13

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You guys miss me? Why was someone asking who Kiara was?!?! Yeah, I'm in Hawaii working on a website but I get plenty of time to enjoy the scenery and the beaches. I think Microsoft has every right to do their normal company stuff, but their monopolistic tendencies go way too far. I'll be responding to all the other things later.

KH#1

Jun 3 - 16:54

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By the way, I've got the coolest new fan art in my site!!!! I recomend to go check it out! I think most of u never seem these images before! I know I didnt till today!

Well, about that Kovu-scar brothers thing. if scar is only half brother to mufasa, then that solves the incest problem. so whet do we need the theory for?! get my drift?
Ducky, Vitani looks like she's "on to something" if u know what I mean...... & Nuka is simply Kovu's lesser side..... but at least we know how they look like. they look kinda mean, I think they will be evil....
the good guys r always beautiful.....
for exsample:
Simba, Nala, Kiara, Kovu, hercules, meg, pockahuntme (Te-He), the tramp, the lady, simdarela, the sleeping beauty, the prince(s), do need I say more?

Hong Kong Phooey, a story book should come out yearlier cause theve done that w/ most of the other movies, but dont you wanna be surprised into what happenes!!! i got a hercules coloring book right before i saw the movie and i looked thourgh it and i found out what happened and it ruined the movie completely!!! some people dont like surprizes, and thats fine, but i wait till i can see that movie before i read the book!!!!

Jun 3 - 16:32

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beerit, that pic of vitani is the absolute DUMBEST thing ive ever seen! she(shes a she right) looks like she has serious problems!!!! nuka looks normal thoughÜ

Jun 3 - 16:22

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ok hopefully I can get this cleared up.when I go to dizbeanies.com, I click on Disney Beanies, right? Then I get a HUGE LONG list of different places to go. WHERE ARE THE KOVU AND KIARA BEANIES?!?!?! somebody PLEAZ tell me where to go after that!!
ok, I think I calmed down now, you can unplug your ears. (hopefully you havent gone deaf) :)

Jun 3 - 16:04

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Pictures of the Disney Store's SP beanies aren't on the www.dizbeanies.com site. . . yet. They just came out, so I'd give them some time.

The beanies at EToys are completely different than the Disney Store SP beanies (see my earlier posting).

Jun 3 - 15:51

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Kiara-holic...I just got a chance to check out your response to me in your guest book. You brought up an interesting possibility of Kovu being Scar's little brother. I don't think that's going to happen either, because that would make him Mufasa's brother too, which would make him Simba's uncle and Kiara's great-uncle....Not going to happen. Unless of course it turns out that Mufasa and Scar were actually half brothers and then it would be possible for Scar and Kovu to be brothers and Kovu and Mufasa to not be related at all. This could actually make sense. It could turn out that Scar's biological mother didn't raise him (mufasa's mother did) and then when Scar died his real mother found out and now wants revenge, so she sends Kovu to infiltrate....hmmmmm. The possibilities are endless. I wish they would just hurry-up and release this movie...It's making me nuts!!!!!!

~elyse

Jun 3 - 15:37

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Beerit
about the "nala licking kiara" thingy, just go to http://www3.etoys.com/shopping/etoys/html/dis0022.shtml OK?
we are one

Lioness, u can either go into the merchandise section in my site & click on the images, or just go directly to
http://www3.etoys.com/cgi-bin/etoys/search.cgi?start_num=1&keyword=simba
but what I realy dont understand is where can I see the nala licking beanie.....

we are one

Jun 3 - 15:13

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about those SP beanies.....
I looked on the dizbeanies site and couldn't find them!!!That place is huge, so if anybody can give me the EXACT URL, I'd be VERY thankful!!cya!
BUSA SIMBA!!

KH#1, I made them buttons u asked me for your site. I made 3 actually. & as a great man once said:"I'm greedy", so take the one u like best, but I made them on 12 at night! so if u dont like them I'll make u new ones when I can count to..... ummmm.... what was I saying?
oh, well....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

oh, I found 2 images someone scanned of the name taggs of the beanies of Nuka & Vitani. BUT! listen to this, they have these images of Nuka & Vitani & boy r them cubs uuuuuugly!!!!!! Nuka looks just like Kovu just not as cute! & Vitani does look alot like them boath they MUST be related!Nuka

neat, uh? I took them from a link in ardwolf's site (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1888/busa.html)
ok, I'm off to bed.....
ok.... this is my bed now.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

we ar........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jun 3 - 14:43

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OK guys, I just came from the Disney Store, where I picked up Kiara (finally) and a second Kovu (I'm greedy). Most of the SP beanies there were wrapped up in plastic sacks as they had been "promised." However, they still had a fair amount left, mostly of Kovu.

If you get Disney to hold the toys for you, and if they have a surplus, and if you are into details, you might want to look at your bean bag toy and make sure it looks "right." They will swap your saved toy with a surplus one (they did for me today). I swapped out a Kovu, but Kiara looked fine. As I was going home, I noticed that her "Simba's Pride" tag was crinkled. But that doesn't really bother me.

As I pulled into the driveway, I saw the UPS truck in front of the house. Guess what came? The Mattel set of Kovu, Kiara, and Nuka. The good news: the colors on the characters are a bit more correct than on the picture at EToys. The bad news: They don't really look like the ones on the picture, they are small (about the size of the plush Lion King finger puppets from Mattel) and Nuka and Vitani look exactly alike---only Vitani has more hair and blue eyes.

They wound up costing me (with postage figured in) more than the total of 3 higher-quality bean bag characters that are available at a Disney park or store. I have a hard time recommending the Mattel ones, unless you just HAVE to have a beanie of Nuka and Vitani (I imagine that Disney stores might have these characters closer to the video's release---and they'll probably look a lot better).

I'm glad I didn't order the Pumbaa, Timon, and Nala set.

So, unless you want to get ever SP toy they come out with, I can't recommend the Mattel versions, at least not now when they are so expensive. Save your hard-earned money and get the far superior ones from a Disney Store or Park, or wait and get the Mattel ones when they are cheaper.

I'll alert everyone when I find out about Scar, Mufasa, and Ed, but you can find out for yourself at the same place I do: WWW.dizbeanies.com

i was running my eyes over the rumormill and saw an idea about a prequel,,, well, you have a lot among the fan fiction, gettable on this very page,, as for a movie prequel i can just say

**GO DISNEY**

it would be really nice if they decided to make prequel,, not to say interesting,, and the rumormill would have something new to rumorize (or whatever you should say) for

Jun 3 - 14:18

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Looks like I missed out on being the first with the beanie info! I went to the disney store and saw the cast members just putting them out (of course I couldn't resist getting both) Well, as for those who couldn't get them, I was told they just came in so be patient they'll probably get more. Alexander, when and if you find out, pleas post when mufasa will be sold! I'd love to get him! well, gotta go get my dinner... later all!

Jun 3 - 14:01

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ALEXANDER, thanks for the info on dizbeanies (all 4 of them). pretty neat site.... How did you find out about the next set of beanies?

I guess some of signed just before I did, well....
Imbaji, I repiet, I DO NOT HAVE ANY DISNEY SOURCES! no, I aint yelling, u can come out from under the table! (:
I just thi
I guess some of signed just before I did, well....
Imbaji, I repiet, I DO NOT HAVE ANY DISNEY SOURCES! no, I aint yelling, u can come out from under the table! (:
I just think that there's no chnce that he will be his som after the whole incest thing.....
>weep< (gee, I sure do a lot of weeping in a day!)
oh, & Imbaji, u better take care if that drooling problem.......
Parmjeet Mandair, neat site.... update it soon or I'll go crazy! please put links to my boath sites & I will put one in mines.... (not a link to my pages of course....) (;
But dont u think it looks a lot like brian's?
u should get your OWN style!
no, corection, it looks just like brian's!
hmmm..... oh, well.... fix the spelling mistakes & take on your own style & this site will be awsome!

we are one

p.s. by the way, how come black & white pics always take more time to load then color ones?

Jun 3 - 13:08

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Hey, I went to the Disney beanie babies site, on the official Disney page, and I saw a little bit about Simba's Pride beanie babies. It wouldn't give the official name but it said this: Our young four-pawed princess is surely her father's 'Pride' She and her fun loving pal take charge of the next generation as Disney's much loved tale continues. Hmmmmm.... I wonder who they could be, anyway, have the beanie babies come to all the Disney stores yet? Just wondering...
See ya! Kara (Kiara)

Dara, No, Ehud Tenenbaum isn't in jail. he's in the army. he's just some kid that wanted to show the pentagon that there's something wrong with them, that's all! he's not like, a Russian spy!!!
But that would be cool, uh?
"Hans, prepare yourselves to operation "Kovu Pics". is de equipment ready?" (with a deep Russian excent & spelling mistakes)
just imagine!
http://www.lionking.org/~ryan/lionking/concept/fanart/aln-tlk2.jpg

Go to site and see what you think of it and can you send comment's on the site and some of the link are not working at this time be they will be up soon so keep coming back to see what I am doing on the site the address is

http://members.xoom.com/Parmy/making.htm

Hey Beerit! What do you mean Kovu isn't Scar son? Has this been confirmed?

Oh, I've been thinking it over and I've decided that I'm going to make a Kovu and Kiara Shrine. I was thinking maybe just a Kiara page like Kiara-Holic #1, or a Kovu page like Beerit, or even just an SP/TLK page in general but... OH weel.

I'm think maybe I shouldn't call it a 'shrine' ezactly though...

Mainly because I told my Mom what I was planning to call it ((Kovu& Kiara's Shrine)) and she burst out laughing because I called it a "shrine". hmmmm... maybe something swahili...

What do you think?

Sheesh! I can't wait to get my hands on some SP merchandise **drool** Kovu & Kiara are so cute!!!! I wonder if we have a local Disney Store.... If we don't I'm going to kick someone. :>

Hakuna Matata,
Busa Simba,
We Are One,
And All That Other Good Stuff,
--Imbaji

Jun 3 - 12:35

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I just came from that www.dizbeanies.com (I think that was the addy). According to their sources, the SP beanies are supposed to be shipped some time in Aug. Hmmmm. For those who have gotten them early, either it's some sort of preview, something to drive us fans nuts looking, or just a means of promoting early on because of the WR1 preview is beyond me. I guess it means that if your local DS doesn't have 'em yet, you won't see 'em until Aug. (I know that the one in my area didn't get the TLKoB soundtrack until a week or so after it was supposed to be out. I'd practically bet money that they don't have any SP beanies, or have even heard of the sequel :P)

Wow, wow!! In this time I typed my enormous rumor (well, it wasn't exactly a rumor, but who cares)
two more entries entered this site.

Dang, clear your mind up, Beerit!!! there's work to do! Reach that hacker! Oh well, I guess he's in jail now, isn't he? There's certainly something wrong with you mental health! Youre typing is soooo bad! Not that mine is o.k. but hé I'm the one who's nuts remember?
Oh of course, you're shocked because of the Kiara thing. Now THAT explains everything!

And yes, like I said before, I was having a good laugh when they did that demonstration in front of those billion vieuwers. (in fact,it still makes me laugh... *snicker*!)

Alexander, (no, I'm not going to remind you of your fiasco) why would Disney come up whith old beanies like Mufasa, Scar and Ed? There not from SP? Not that I know at least. Or are they going to re-release TLK again before SP?

Now I'm finished.... At LAST, I just hear you thinking..... nev'r mind!

ahem... sorry, I'm sitting here behind the so cursed Windows '95. It's not fair what you all are saying about it.
I've worked with both a pc (with Windows) and a Apple Macintosh. Excuse me to say so, but I prefer Windows! It's ridiculous what people say about Microsoft Word, I mean, you can type some nice letters here (better than on Word Perfect!!!)
Of course if you want more than that, then I'm asking you: why using that program anyway? you know what it can do?
I will say that Quark X-Press is way better.

I know what I'm saying, I'm not making web sites or what, but I use the computer alot. At school I used to work with the Apple, at home I use a PC.
windows '95 looked also way better dan Windows 3.04, it will come close to the Macintosh when you use it. I design alot, so I should know I guess.

Oh, but I had a good laugh when they had that demonstration of Windows '98 and it crashed before the eyes of the whole world! (reason my dad would NOT buy it for now) and that Internet Explorer...
well let's not talk about that, 'cause it IS a failure!!... that's why I'm using Netscape...

Alexander, you have one great mom!!! Mine wouldn't even come in the Disney Store let alone she would spot a Scar like animal which afterwards turned out to be Kovu. Oh yes, she would spot Scar for I brainwashed her so far enough. She does know all the names of TLK so far. Oh... em, Zazu would be difficult and she certainly doesn't know the names of the hyena's (except for Ed) and Sarafina (who's that??) ............. SHE DOESN'T KNOW!!!
well, as long as she CAN spot a Scar or Simba/Nala look-a-like I'm just happy.

Shenzi, if Rafiki was a lion Ugas would indeed have some great competition!! I don't think he would win it. Rafiki is indeed the one and only Uzuri-holic. Did you finish reading the story yet?
About the monthly TLK magazine... we have it here too. Someone has all the covers of this magazine on his/her site. But I can't remember who it was! I checked so many pages lately. But maybe this person can give you some clues about the magazine.
I will go check it for you where I did see this site.... check, check.... oh I found it!

Ok, so I said I wouldn't post again today after my fiasco. Well, this information might help some of you, so I'll take the heat.

Call the Disney Store today if you missed out on Kiara (like I did) or Kovu. I did and they are holding the toy for me. Also, I wouldn't freak out if you don't get them right away. It is only June, so you'll probably see Kovu and Kiara beanies for quite some time.

Another tip: The next Lion King characters to be beanies will be Mufasa, Scar and Ed. I don't know when these will come out.

Apparently the stores get new beanies at 2 pm (I guess all the time, because Monday they had Herbie the Love Bug; Tuesday Kovu; Wednesday Kiara). Call them first so you don't make a pointless trip.

And again, I'm sorry that I duplicated a message 4 times on the rumor mill.

Hey, Dara, listen to this! u know the hacker was from israel. well, there's this magazine called "captain internet" (how corny!), & I saw this comersial for some computer.... (sorry for the tiping mieskac).
it said : "To do some things, u need the right tools!" & it had his picture!
whats next, "wanna murder your wife? only with OWR fine axes!"
shenzi, could u repiet that disnet animation link? I didnt see it!
Errrrr! I cant wait to get my hands on them beanies! did I just say that?
Well Dara, owr little hacking project is on hold because of some MINOR defect in my mental health...
By the way, Alexander, "Who's Kiara?" ?!
dont talk like that next ti "Kiara Holic #1"! she might read u.......
Kiara-holic #1, you're in hawaii & you're sitting in front of a computer writing a site?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!
sorry, I'm just a little shocked, that's all......
Hey, microsoft haters & SP lovers, did any of u catch the brilliant preformance of bill (gates) in TV when they intreduced Windows98?
the sYstem totally crashed in front og billions of viewers!!!!!!! victory is.... well..... not of Microsoft.....
Alexander, pressing the button one time will do us all good!

well.... I have came to face the fact that owr beloved Kovu isnt scar's son...... >weep<
But it will be stupid if Nuka/Nunka will be his son! I mean "like father, like son"?!?!?!?!!? what r we, hooligans?!

Sorry

A note on the ebay SP beanies:
The seller is asking for $24 a set to start. You can get them for $6 a piece at The Disney Store. The seller is trying to double the cost already. And to answer the question on wheather or not Nuka and Vitani beanies will be available, for now these (Kovu and Kiara) are the only two. I have not seen any rumors on them making more SP Beanies......yet. ;)

Jun 3 - 09:51

Alexander

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Sorry!!! I screwed up and ended up posting the same message over and over again!!! I won't post again for a long time, I promise!

Jun 3 - 09:27

Alexander

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Elyse, might I suggest you visit WWW.dizbeanies.com?

They update new Disney Store and theme park bean bags all the time and they have some links that might help you out. You might be able to get the Simba's Pride beanies from a different state, as the site lists many different phone numbers. They even have a link to Warner Brothers bean bags. Hope this helps.

On a totally unrelated note: Have you guys seen "Little Brother" the dog from Disney's upcoming "Mulan?" I like the character, and must say it may be the most unique and foreign-looking Disney character ever. He sure doesn't look like a "Lady and the Tramp" dog. He's cute but has a mouth full of sharp teeth. Kinda reminds me of "Fizgig" from "The Dark Crystal" crossed with Odie from "Garfield" and a bit of Chinese style illustration. Very unique. When I heard about a dog in Mulan, I thought it would be a Pekingese and look like Percy from Pocahontas. NOPE!!

By the way, as excited as I am to see Simba and the Pride rock characters again, I'm more excited to see the "Scar-like" lions in SP (Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, Zira). They look like they have a "dark side" and might live in some spooky place like the hyenas. Also, we'll have comedic lions in SP!

Jun 3 - 09:20

Alexander

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Elyse, might I suggest you visit WWW.dizbeanies.com?

They update new Disney Store and theme park bean bags all the time and they have some links that might help you out. You might be able to get the Simba's Pride beanies from a different state, as the site lists many different phone numbers. They even have a link to Warner Brothers bean bags. Hope this helps.

On a totally unrelated note: Have you guys seen "Little Brother" the dog from Disney's upcoming "Mulan?" I like the character, and must say it may be the most unique and foreign-looking Disney character ever. He sure doesn't look like a "Lady and the Tramp" dog. He's cute but has a mouth full of sharp teeth. Kinda reminds me of "Fizgig" from "The Dark Crystal" crossed with Odie from "Garfield" and a bit of Chinese style illustration. Very unique. When I heard about a dog in Mulan, I thought it would be a Pekingese and look like Percy from Pocahontas. NOPE!!

By the way, as excited as I am to see Simba and the Pride rock characters again, I'm more excited to see the "Scar-like" lions in SP (Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, Zira). They look like they have a "dark side" and might live in some spooky place like the hyenas. Also, we'll have comedic lions in SP!

Jun 3 - 09:19

Alexander

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Elyse, might I suggest you visit WWW.dizbeanies.com?

They update new Disney Store and theme park bean bags all the time and they have some links that might help you out. You might be able to get the Simba's Pride beanies from a different state, as the site lists many different phone numbers. They even have a link to Warner Brothers bean bags. Hope this helps.

On a totally unrelated note: Have you guys seen "Little Brother" the dog from Disney's upcoming "Mulan?" I like the character, and must say it may be the most unique and foreign-looking Disney character ever. He sure doesn't look like a "Lady and the Tramp" dog. He's cute but has a mouth full of sharp teeth. Kinda reminds me of "Fizgig" from "The Dark Crystal" crossed with Odie from "Garfield" and a bit of Chinese style illustration. Very unique. When I heard about a dog in Mulan, I thought it would be a Pekingese and look like Percy from Pocahontas. NOPE!!

By the way, as excited as I am to see Simba and the Pride rock characters again, I'm more excited to see the "Scar-like" lions in SP (Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, Zira). They look like they have a "dark side" and might live in some spooky place like the hyenas. Also, we'll have comedic lions in SP!

Jun 3 - 09:18

Alexander

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Elyse, might I suggest you visit WWW.dizbeanies.com?

They update new Disney Store and theme park bean bags all the time and they have some links that might help you out. You might be able to get the Simba's Pride beanies from a different state, as the site lists many different phone numbers. They even have a link to Warner Brothers bean bags. Hope this helps.

On a totally unrelated note: Have you guys seen "Little Brother" the dog from Disney's upcoming "Mulan?" I like the character, and must say it may be the most unique and foreign-looking Disney character ever. He sure doesn't look like a "Lady and the Tramp" dog. He's cute but has a mouth full of sharp teeth. Kinda reminds me of "Fizgig" from "The Dark Crystal" crossed with Odie from "Garfield" and a bit of Chinese style illustration. Very unique. When I heard about a dog in Mulan, I thought it would be a Pekingese and look like Percy from Pocahontas. NOPE!!

By the way, as excited as I am to see Simba and the Pride rock characters again, I'm more excited to see the "Scar-like" lions in SP (Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, Zira). They look like they have a "dark side" and might live in some spooky place like the hyenas. Also, we'll have comedic lions in SP!

Jun 3 - 09:18

elyse (again!)

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Hi, it's me again. I was just @ ebay on-line auction and searched for Simba's Pride & they had the Kovu & Kiara beanies. One set had a picture. It's not the best picture in the world (Kovu wasn't very clear), but a bad picture is better than none at all. They look pretty adorable. I just wish they'd hurry up and get them @ the Disney stores out here though.
`elyse

I went to two different Disney store's here in Sacramento yesterday and neither one of them had any SP merchandise. I'm getting way impatient!!! Sooooo, I just looked @ Disney on line and they don't have anything either, but it does say that the SP beanies are coming, but doesn't mention when. VERY, VERY, VERY SOON I hope.
~elyse

Jun 3 - 08:10

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With SP merchandise already starting to appear (and the movie isn't due till October) we'd be wise to keep an eye out for a SP storybook---it sure would answer a lot of questions, and I suppose it could be the end of the Rumor Mill.

Guys! I finally got e-mail, send me a message and we can share some info. Only 146 days left! (I think!) Well, nuthing much to say but that! I'll try to check my mail everyday, but I can't garuntee it! C-ya and Busa Simba!

(Just a quick note... Hotmail was in widespread use for well over a year before Microsoft bought it and put their name on it.)

(Oh, and fun fact: Hotmail has always been run on UNIX. When Microsoft bought them, they tried to put the system on Windows NT. But NT performed so horribly that they went back to UNIX. That's "innovation" for you...)

Brian

Jun 2 - 23:18

Kiara-holic #1

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Just as Scar despises guessing games, I despise MicroSoft Internet Explorer. Their Hotmail thing treats me well, though. Called the Disney Store here in Hawaii and unfortunately they have no SP merchandise. Guess I'll have to order something from eToys.

KH#1

WeR1

P.S. Thanks to everyone on the rumour mill who complements my site, like you Shenzi.

Jun 2 - 22:47

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Good gosh! Everyone's desperate to see Adult Kovu. Well, I'm sending a color copy off tomorrow, so hopefully you'll see a scan of it soon.

I'm sorry for all the delays, but the computer I am on is not mine, I am not familiar with how to send things over e-mail, or how to download onto ftp.lionking.org. Didn't mean to get everyone upset over this.

The times I have tried e-mailing the picture, AOL has cut me off before the picture had time to be sent.

If someone could tell me (nicely) how to get this darned thing sent properly, you'll see it sooner.

Shalun - Kisasian is a character whom I believe was created by Joshua C. Templin for his venerable fanfic, "The Tales of Tanabi"; he will not, as far as anyone knows ;), appear in SP. He is a somewhat brooding character - once described as a 'tragic antagonist' - somewhat like Simba before Mufasa's little pep-talk, and has a vendetta against Simba for overthrowing Scar.

Alexander, They do have the Kiara Beanie here. Here being Minnesota. :) And what problems do you have sending the picture? Maybe one of us can help. You can e-mail me if you like. I scan and send pictures all the time. This is one I most definitely want to see. :)

I can't get the damn picture of Adult Kovu sent on e-mail, so who will volunteer an address that I can send a color copy to in the mail?

Who lives closest to Kentucky?

Those of you who are trying to get the brochure from Disney TV won't get it for at least two weeks. If you are trying to get it, I wouldn't ask for "a brochure with Kovu on it." Chances are they won't know what you are talking about. The picture is pretty inconspicuous. But if you want to be specific, the brochure has "101 Dalmatians" on the cover.

Did anyone find Kiara at the Disney Store? I plan on checking that out soon, because Kovu and Kiara were to be released at the same time. I must confess that I'm not the one who discovered Kovu---my Mom did. She was at the Disney Store while I was at the Warner Brothers Store checking to see if they needed summer help. Anyhow, she picked Kovu up, thinking he was Scar!! Needless to say, I freaked out in the store.

And yes, I've been wanting to enter the field of animation for years. "The Lion King" came out during my first year at college. I went in to college hoping to join Disney animation, and went crazy when "The Lion King" came out. However, after "Pocahontas" and "Hercules" my interest in new Disney started fading. Now I've just graduated and there's another "Lion King" coming out!!! Wish I had pursued Disney, because I would have LOVED working on SP!

Thankyou for the tip Alexander!
I went right to TDS after work to get them. These are by far the best looking beanies I've seen Disney make. They are 8" so they are bigger than the normal LK ones. The other cool thing is that they are still $6. :)

Hi! Um, I was wonderin' does anybeast know where I can find some pics and stuff from Simba's Pride? I'd appreciate it!
p.s., I probably won't be able to get back on here for a few days, so you can e-mail me links to be sure I'll get them. Thanks!

Anyone using Internet Explorer is helping Microsoft to destroy the software development industry.

Brian

Jun 2 - 17:35

shenzi

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brian, i've been meaning to ask you something. whats all this stuff about this site being a microsoft free zone? what did microsoft do ?

Jun 2 - 17:33

shenzi

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hey everyone ! thanx for the adress to the disney animation department i'm going to order a brochure right away. i can't believe disney store is selling sp stuff. alexander, are you sure you didn't buy the kovu been bag in a dream ? i know you all might think i'm crazy but i'm so excited i think i'm gonna scream !! probably i would get kicked out of the library though. any way how much do the kovu beanies cost ? Beerit and kiara-holic, your sites look better every time i see them. thanx to you guys i finally got a glimps at the sp merchandise. purring kiara is so cute and i can't wait to get one. like Nala's parents i think my parents are going crazy with my tlk obsession. tlk is takeing over my room soon i'll need an extra room for all my tlk stuff. i'm going to disney world next year and i'll probably buy out all the shops that sell tlk and sp merchandise. dara- i think if raffiki was a lion ugas would have some competition. i think he has a thing for uzuri. he's a uzuri-holic ! does anyone know what happened to the Pride Lands, the monthly tlk magazine. they haven't put out an issue since january and i'm afraid they won't do anouther issue. i can't wait to get aol so i can put up my own tlk or sp web page. i wonder, how do you put up a webpage. i still think it would be cool if disney did a tlk prequel about scar and mufasa and sarabi. Aiheu provides !

It is by far the best plush Kovu I have seen so far, and before you go unloading your wallets on the Purring and Kissing Kovus, I suggest you invest in this superior, smaller, less expensive representation of this character.

This bean bag Kovu comes with a Disney Store swing tag and a "Simba's Pride" swing tag. It also has what some people call a "tush tag" with the "Simba's Pride" logo on one side and "Kovu" on the other.

It is larger than the other "Lion King" bean bags that the Disney Store has had so far.

Kiara was nowhere to be seen, and when I asked if they had her, they said "Who's Kiara?"

For some reason my pic of adult Kovu is not getting sent out!! I'll keep trying.

Did anyone see the Rosie show today? There was a segment from TLKoB. It looked pretty good. It was He Lives in You (Reprise). It didnt sound like the broadway recording (duhhh), it kinda sounded like they were very nervous. But who wouldn't be in front of the the whole country. Well the Kovu site is going well, its not online yet, I still need to finish the pictures, and I need to upload some things for the movie and picture archives. I need to do the counter, guestbook, backgrounds.....Geez, I have a LOT to do!
SIZO NQOBA!

Jun 2 - 14:07

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I think my e-mail's down for a little bit. Beerit, go read my response to your last guestbook entry. Fixed up my site some more.

School what the heck!! (sorry Brian) SP is much more important!! Ahhh, you can learn from it too! it's a way of life, remember? Beerit, banks are not important, Kovu pics are!!! Let's go hacking! If people now how to get into the Pentagon computer, sure it would be easy to hack into a Disney computer? emmmmm... I'm not a good hacker, are you one?

Oh Nala, your parents get sick of you just like mine are getting crazy of me! (and that's just because I still like TLK, can you imagine what happens if the time comes that SP will be released?!!) Let's move to Beerit's house! I don't mind bugs and garbage...

See, I'm also telling nothing important. I'm also hoping for some news. Let's hope someone has something these days. To all that have a SP/Kovu or Kiara site, can you make more pictures from the previeuw (10th of May) in JPG file? I use them on my monitor (to make my sister anxious about these whole movie!) Please?

THANKS!!

Dara

Jun 2 - 12:59

Beerit

Location: TKL http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Stadium/1590/SP.htm
E-mail: No, but I have another page...Kovu's Ari http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Stadium/1590/KovusMainPage.htm

Nala, if your parents get sick of u, u can always come move into my house...
u dont mind bugs & garbage dont u?
Alexander, which page r u talking about? & why do people have so much trouble getting into it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Cold Dragon, glad I could help....
Dara, from what u write, I think we make a great team.... lets get together & robe a bank sometime, ok? or better yet, lets HACK into disney's computer & get Kovu pics!!!
(Dara: "Hurray!")
& about that zzzzzzzzzzz thing, I dont get the chance to do that couse I'm rarely at school.... no, I'm just kidding. (no I'n not, but dont tell anyone..... shhhhhhhh)
Shalun, I think kisasian is from some fan fic, but on the actual movie scar's son is going to be named Kovu. but he might not be scar's son couse then when he & kiara (simba's daughter) fall in love it'll be incest!!
ok, I just told u a VEEEEEEERY short summary of the SP plot.....

we are one

p.s. did u notice that I never add any new info? I just answer messeges! well, as long as there is no info, I guess were stuck.....
But I will tell u this...... ummmm...... I like Kovu!!!!!!!!!!
no, X on the like, I LOOOOOOOOOVE Kovu<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi all .. I'm new here and finding the postings
very interesting. Can't wait til Simba's Pride
is finally out. I've just completed a Simba's
Pride boardgame for a school project. Just
wondering now ... I thought originally that Scar's
son's name was to be Kasassian (sp?). Not sure
where I heard that but it was several months ago.
Now I'm wondering if I was dreaming or something
(have had many dreams about Simba's Pride over
the last couple of years). I don't see any
mention of the name here. Can someone help me
out here. Haven't been able to check out all
the webpages here but plan to in the next few
days (I've got limited time on the internet most
days). Thanx for any help. .. Shalun ..

Jun 2 - 11:37

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Shenzi, I didn't realize you already DID read the Chronicles but I'm glad you liked it as much as I did! I printed them (I was glad then we could get paper and inkjets for free!). And yes, Uzuri is great isn't she? Oh, I better watch out what I'm saying, before you'll know it I'm a Uzuri-holic! (Beerit, *wink*)

I know how the story 'Under the Acacias' ends, but I'm not going to tell you! ugas is a naughty old lion, but very sweet.

Beerit, I'm glad you are making a Kovu page after all. Don't let Geocities stop you!! I went to the Kovu page and it looks indeed like the SP page. But I'm sure you're going to restyle it and it will look great!! Oh and I like the animated gifs on your site! (which one?? ehmm, the SP one)
where do you get the time to make these sites and stuff?? I guess your teatchers aren't happy with you, *wink, wink* zzzzzzzzzzz!
Beerit, what's a book?? with the hard thingie around it? All my reading materials will come from internet directly to the printer! I didn't touch a good book for years... ha, ha! I'm the one that grew up with tv and all that kind of stuff! Kiara's Sahifa sound good to me (I didn't know what it ment anyway, untill I read it here on the Mill) It only sounds a little bit Arabic?
Kovu's Ari sounds great to me. mmmm... Kovu already having a Pride? wow, that's something for a Lion King part 3 or something. Or something for a fan fic. Keeps me busy with reading at last...

Oh Brian, is the picture of Adult Kovu of Alexander on your page yet?? I'm very curious!
Are you planning to work for Disney, Alexander??
Or just not in the drawing section. I always wanted to do it, but then I think I'm not good enough and I would have to move to the States.
I just think I can't make it. And then, I would already know what's comming because I was drawing the movie. That's not fun anymore.(but it could come in handy when you want to know more about a movie for example SP!!)

Bye!!

Dara (a beginning Kiara-holic)

Jun 2 - 11:29

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In case some of you must have the Disney TV brochure (with Kovu on it) for yourselves (and in case my picture doesn't get to this site), you might want to get it for yourself.

The address of Walt Disney TV Animation is:

5200 Lankershim Boulevard, Suite 600
North Hollywood, CA 91601-3100

The brochure has information on the career opportunities that the TV division has to offer.

I don't want to oversell this Kovu picture, as it is not complete or in full color (it looks like a drawing from a model sheet).

Jun 2 - 11:28

Cold Dragon

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Beerit
Just wanted to say thanks for posting the link to the whole We Are One clip, my friend has been dieing to see it.

Jun 2 - 09:14

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Beerit, I tried to get on your web page, but Geocities says "oops, couldn't find that file." Looking forward to seeing the final product.

I sent a picture of Adult Kovu out today, after many complications. I hope it gets to this site. Watch for it--it is from a Walt Disney TV brochure and is an orange-outline of Kovu against a navy blue and hot pink background.

Jun 2 - 08:46

Nala
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Man guys! You all add a lot in the course of a couple of days! I have nothing new to say, but I can tell you that we only have 147 days until the sequel comes out! Yea! And by the time Labor day comes, it'll only be 50! I've watched the footage about 800 times now, and my parents are starting to get sick of me. Oh well, that's life with a TLK nut! The pictures look great thumper! Once I get e-mail, I'll let you all know! Got's to go!

Well, this is probebly my last entry gor today so listen up:
I got my Kovu's Ari page up (Thanks to Kiara Holic #1 that alowed me to use his gifs, therefor freeing some space for me on geocities!), But remember, its still realy small!!!!!
Its gonna get better..... I still dont have a link to it from my "old" site so u can only get the adress from here!
chack it out!!
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Stadium/1590/KovusMainPage.htm

Beerit, you can mirror to my page if you want, if it will save you some room. Might be moving to lionking.org sometime though, and that might mess things up. By the way, a word can have more than one definition, and a "webpage" is really just an electronic version of a paper page, so they have very similar meanings. Also, I just divided my movie clips section into three parts so it will load faster on your computer, and maybe some other people's computers also. And I responded to all new guestbook entries. And some other stuff.

Kiara holic #1, can I use my gifs page as a mirror in yours? I mean, that the gifs links in my page will be directed to your page? I dont know how long its gonna take for me to have n email, & I want that Kovu site SOOOOOOOO bad!!!!!!!!! Ineed the room......
so can I?

Actually, my site's name is going to be "Kovu's Ari" which means "Kovu's Pride"....
I know you r using it, Kiara holic #1, but its just such a great idea! by the way, sorry to burst your buble (?) but I sahifa mean a book page! u know, books, that thing with a hard thingie around it? the one that was before internet & TV? that kind of page!!!!! I checked it.... sorry......

we are one

p.s. my Kovu page is almost ready!!!
but it looks just like my SP page, I have to design it differently.....
Anyway, I have a little preview of my own....

Dang, I gotta quit typing before I think. I realized after my last message that Beerit's pictures did link. How often has something like this happened? And now it looks like Beerit does want to do a KovuHolics page. Think I might still help KovuHolic (the former ALehman) with his/her(?) page. It can be a Kovu page and Beerit's can be a KovuHolics page (I guess), just like there's a Nala page and a Nalaholics page. By the way, my page is NOT a Kiaraholics page (even though I am one), but I expect that someone will come along and make one someday. Maybe after SP comes out, and maybe those NA people will do it. Hope I'm not confusing everyone.

Kiara Holic #1, in response to what u said about your site connectimg to etoys & mine's dont, my site is conected! what can be easyer then to click on e image? (:
(ummmmm..... stealing candy from baby rambo?)

Cold dragon, I just readwhat u wrote me at my site. I dont know if this helps but
http://www.lionking.org/simbaspride/WeAreOne.mpg
its the adress of we are one in mpg format.
http://www.lionking.net/songs/mp3/weareone.mp3
on mp3 format. sorry, I couldnt finD where I got the wav format.... ):

A little bit more this time. Neema: e-mail me. I responded to more guestbook entries and snatched five images (3 large plush toy ones, and 2 more animated gifs) from Beerit's site (thanks!) and made other improvements. Shenzi: I got the plush toy pictures from Beerit's site (but mine actually link to eToys; of course, Beerit could make hers do that too). This is an experiment, but there should be an image here to click on to get to my site. If it doesn't work, I'll fix it and post again. Brian: got an e-mail coming to you sometime in the next coupla days.

Hey everyone! For all of you who visited my little site on aol that sucked.....I'm moving on to bigger, better things. I just signed with Geocities and Im planning to make a site solely devoted to Kovu! I'll have a ton of stuff on it, and its all going to be about Kovu! Thanks to the help of Kiara holic #1 it will be up soon!

Kiara-holic #1, I dont get a hotmail account couse I've got n email, its just
not functioning. I have to get it fixed soon.
shenzi, now u can buy them too!
Neema, did u read the messege that I left on your site? its kinda what Kiara Holic #1 said, just that the links on your gifs page are out too......
Cold Dragon, I have no idea what is wrong & who is wrong here......
when I go to check it out its fine..... but that section isnt even up yet, so dont bother.... if u want the WR1 song, my site doesnt have it, its too big..... but it has other cool sounds, like the begining of it, the end, all kinds of talking....
so u can get a "sample"........ uh, did I just say that? (:
its weird my site has so much problems....... (!)
its thoes geocities guys! #@%!@#^@*$@
I cant wait to move into brian's server.......

we are one

Jun 1 - 22:00

Cold Dragon

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Beerit
I love your SP web site.I Could not get my computer to go there from the address you wrote here, but the one Brian put up worked, well worth the wait may I add. There was one proablem the windows themes section did not work, my computer said it could not be found. I am dieing to get We Are One for my computer. It's proably my computer again but I thought you should know in case it is not.

Jun 1 - 21:34

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Quick again. Shenzi: you can see the "purring" toys by going to my site, going to the links section and scrolling down a little. Neema: check your e-mail and fix up the pics on your site! Just giving a little encouragement.

Kiara-holic #1

Jun 1 - 19:59

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Well, problems have caused a delay in getting the Adult Kovu sent out on e-mail. I keep getting bumped off America Online everytime I try to send the pic. I'll keep trying!

Jun 1 - 19:53

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thanx beerit. just went on your site and now i've finally git to see the sp merchandise !

Jun 1 - 17:04

shenzi

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Dara- sorry i took so long to respond about Chronicals. i did read it and i loved it ! its the best tlk fan fic i've ever read and i cried too especially at the end. its going to be weird that tanabi isn't in the real tlk sequel but that story will always be part of the tlk universe for me. now i'm half way done with under the Acacias. i like that one too and uzuri is quickly becomming one of my fave tlk characters.that thing with her and ugas is so sweet. its sad that uzuri is torn between her pride sisters and ugas. i wonder how it will turn out with uzuri's sons. i hope ugas gets to see his sons. Beerit- i finally got on your website. i love it. you and kiara-holic have the best sp websites. i keep searching on etoys and i think i'm the only one who hasn't seen kissing kiara and kovu or purring nala yet. i don't get it, i just can't find them although i have seen the beanie babies. tommorrow rosie o'donnel is going to have the cast of tlk on broadway on her show. if you can't watch it at 10 you can see it again 5 in the afternoon. Aiheu provides ! we are 1 ! p.s what was wrong with concerned in canada. if she doesn't love tlk as much as we do, she shouldn't have even came here !

Hey everyone. Just got a brochure in the mail about Walt Disney TV Animation (I was inquiring about jobs there). In this brochure there's a picture (not a color picture) of Adult Kovu!! Part of his mane has been cropped off, but I know it is him. He looks cool! Kind of a cross between Scar and Adult Simba. I'd love to get the picture out to show everyone, but I'm not sure how---I do have a scanner (actually, my DAD has a scanner). If someone can make a suggestion as to how I can get this out, I'd appreciate it.

Jun 1 - 14:25

Kiara-holic #1

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Quick again. I'll be e-mailing Brian soon about some of those server issues. I have lots of questions. Anyways, reserve me a space at lionking.org/~kiara. Beerit, I'm running off to class but I'll be checking your hide and seek gif in a few hours. Why don't you get a hotmail account?

Dara, i WILL open the Kovu site if I have room at brian's page!
but Brian, unfortunatly, my email is not active, so it will take a few days.
But hey, I WILL open a site at your server! u dont write that ist free anywhere
or else I would have opened a site on your server months ago! ok, just tell me waht u mean by detayls.
How much room its gonna take, what's the url I want, stuff like that?

Maintainer's note: I don't want to discuss it in a public forum. That's why I ask that you e-mail me privately. There are all sorts of e-mail services you can use. -BT

Real quick before I go respond to some guest book entries. You can see the Kiara plush toys (and then order them) on my site in the links section. And I had been thinking of moving to lionking.org too. Probably be writing Brian soon about that possibility. More later.

mmmmm.... We don't have a school shrink here, and if we had one he/she would think I'm nuts!!! (funny nuts of course!) And Beerit, go check Kiara holic's site and look closely at which character I choose (Nala or Sarabi) at her guest-book page.... See? I'm not that Sarabi holic after all, Nala is way cooler! Take care of your own Kovu holics shrine, it could be dangerous! Just kidding! (pity you're not making that Kovu site! I would love to see it! certainly if it's as great as your SP site.) I could learn to be a Kiara holic after all. If I'm not already!
Oh, I didn't ask YOU for reading the Chronicles, but Shenzi.
(p.s. ..... didn't you read the Chronicles yet???
WEEEEEEEEEEPPP!!!!!!!!!)

Purring Kiara and Kovu are really neat!! If I ever come to see one, I'll buy them!!!

I have to agree with Brian about Geocities...
It takes me forever to get to a site which is opened by Geocities!

GREAT NEWS!!!!!!
E-toys has purring Kovu, purring Kiara, and kissing Kovu & Kiara IN STOCK. YEA! So for those of you having trouble looking them up you should now be able to just go to www.etoys.com and search for lion king.

Jun 1 - 09:55

Netanya

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Well, guys, take care of yourselves. This is the last day of school, and the last day of internet for me. Don't anybody kill anybody else, alright? And get off this incest thing, with animals, it's not considered incest.

I'm going to check out Kiaraholic#1's page now. Later!

~Netanya~

La la Kahle. See you in August!!!!

Jun 1 - 09:15

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Sorry, brien, just one more thing!
Candy, I read what u wrote to me on the guest book of my page. I would looooove it if you could do that!!!!! please prepare them & I will get n email in a couple of days so u can send me!!! I m writing your name next to the pic u made in my page. sorry I didnt do it before!
by the way, what is your name?! I cant just write candy!

we are one

Jun 1 - 04:11

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Sorry, brien, just one more thing!
Candy, I read what u wrote to me on the guest book of my page. I would looooove it if you could do that!!!!! please prepare them & I will get n email in a couple of days so u can send me!!! I m writing your name next to the pic u made in my page. sorry I didnt do it before!

Kiara holic #1, I like your site! it gets better every day! I will soon move to a new domain I think it will be something like www.beerit/SimbasPride or something.....
but I have something to tel u. your front page takes too long to load! u better do something! by the way, how do u get so many visitors?! is it that dice thing?! or do u press on the load botton 70 times a day?! (:
I updated my site & slaved all morning so the gifs r ok now. I think u all will love the hide & seek gif. it makes me laugh!!!!! I dont realy know why, but whatever.......

we are one

p.s. what do u mean by not feeling thretend? we all know my page is better then yours...
just kidding!!!!! your page is great!!!! I think its my favorite! keep on doing such a geat job!
p.s.s. My Kovu site is on hold for now... >weep<
I dont have any room one geocities anymore!!! now I have to wait to get n email to make another geocities page or wait to get my domain...... oh man!!!! & I already had so many pics & the front page, & all kinds of cool bottons for the frames! oh, man!!! well, at least that tells me that my SP site is huge! I mean, 6 MB!! that's a lot!
I just checked, & I have 50 MB of SP stuff on my pc!!!!!! woooooowowowowowowowowowo!!!!!!!!!!!!! cooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
p.s.s.s. Brian

Kidesong, Imbaji... whatever..., I think that Nuka is going to be a cub couse they're selling beanies with him as a cub. I didnt see any cub mufasa beanies after TLK was out.... (:
by the way, I think maybe Nuka & Kovu r going to be step brothers. Nuka will be scar's son (which I think disney want to have in SP) & that's why he wants to kill simba. & that way we dont have any incest couse Kiara isnt in love with Nuka anyway! But Zira will still raise her 2 sons to fight simba so the whole Kovu's "oh, what m I going to do?" thing stays. & now he has to convince his brother too!!!!!nice theory, uh?
just a thought, I dont have any disney sources so dont take what I said like its going to happen!!
Kiara-holic #1, yhea, I did notice! thanks! by the way, u r welcomed to go into my site & take any Kiara gif u like! I have many more! I just added one with Kiara & simba playing hide & seek, & kiara's little head keeps pupping out of pride rock!!!
Ducky, u were'nt wrong!!!! she didnt sound like her at all!!!! but not like mathew brodrick sounded DIFFERENT, she just didnt sound like lacey charbet!!!!!

we are one

Jun 1 - 01:16

Kara once more

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If Nuka and Vitani aren't going to be cubs in the sequal, then why would they manufacture products of them as cubs (ie: the beanie babies). And I think that Kovu, Nuka, and Vitani are all going to be related because first off, they all bear a very close resemblance to Scar, since they will be in his pride right? And secondly, they are sold together as beanie babies, so they must all work together somehow. That's my little thought.
Kara (Kiara)
P.S. Have you noticed that Disney won't answer any of your e-mails concerning Simba's Pride? That just makes me mad.

May 31 - 20:35

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HEY! maybe lacey WILL be vitani. i really dont think she is young kiara cause she has a VERY distiguished voice and it really didnt sound much like her. or, instead of vitani she is the singing voice of someone, who knows!

May 31 - 19:22

Imbaji, Kidesong...whatever

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To Concerned in Canada, Oh well, it's not your problem if we like the lion king is it?

'Sides *indignant sniff* it would be a fair estimate to say that there are over 1,000 Lion King fans in North America alone. Nya. ;>

Gosh, I can't wait for SP to come out... I really can't believe there going to make a POCCAHANTUS II((or however you spell that)) which, I hope I don't offend anyone here, sucked and Disney even got sued for it, when they should be putting their efforts into TLK II because you know it's obviously going to sell better.

Gr'ups. Go fig. :>

--Kides/Baji

May 31 - 19:06

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Neema, comedian Andy Dick is said to voice Nuka, and if you've seen "Newsradio" you know he's an adult, so it seems likely that Nuka would be an adult lion (as well as cub) in Simba's Pride. If Nuka and Vitani have any sort of connection with Zira, it seems like they could easily be Zira's offsiders (after all, Nuka and Vitani do resemble Scar-----makes you wonder what Zira looks like). Plus, Nuka is said to be funny, and Vitani sure looks funny, so they might fill the "hyena" role.

Ducky, I'm not really familiar with "Party of Five" but these days Lacey sure has a distinctive voice. Maybe she recorded Kiara's voice when she was younger, or maybe she isn't Kiara's voice at all. Could she possibly play young Vitani?

Hello. i have a question. ok, about the soundtx for sp, isnt it all done w/?? and also, on the preview for sp(may 10th) kiara didnt sound much like lacey charbet. Party of 5 is like my fav show and im familiar w/ her voice and i didnt think it sounded like her. i might be wrong but i donno, she might have changed it alittle.

May 31 - 17:56

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To Concerned in Canada: Then why the hell are you even bothering reading what we are writing?

May 31 - 17:27

Concerned in Canada.

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Man! You guys need to get a life! The Lion King is a good movie (my favorite), but I think you guys are a little too obsessed! Take a break, It's only a movie!!

Now that I've thought of it.. what if the three we are currently talking about -- Nuka, Vitani and Kovu -- are all Scar's children? It seems not to make any sense to me that Nuka, for example, could be Zira's offsider because he is a cub. There's a possibility that he -- when older -- can create the whole deal with Vitani with Scar's pride and such... anyway, that's just my opinion on the matter.

Neema.

May 31 - 17:08

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Amira, just how do you know that Kovu is Scar's son? There's been no confirmation just who Kovu, Nuka, and Vitani are in relation to Scar or Zira.

Thanks for the info and sorry for the oversight. You know, with this whole internet thing you never know where something originally comes from. I'll credit everyone accordingly, but those animated gifs were really cool. I did a very heavy volume of work yesterday and now that I've breathed a big sigh of relief, I can go and do little touch-ups here and there. For instance, I went to bed last night and thought, "Wait, on my Kiara site I said that we don't know who her maternal grandparents are, but I realized that we do know that her maternal grandmother is Sarafina, so that's another little thing I'm going to go correct and smooth out. Did you notice I gave you credit for the Swahili dictionary URL?

Kiara-holic #1 :-)

May 31 - 16:07

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Oh, I forgot something....Kovu is a cub at the beginning at the movie...

Kiara holic #1, I m very angry!!!!!
well, actually I'm not, I just always wanted to say that!
in the animated gif section in your site u give credit to neema when neema took the gifs from my site. no, I'm not this "oh, this is actually MINE! who else could do such a great job besides me?" kinda girl, I'm just..... u know........
claiming what's mine! Kinda like simba!

Hong Kong Phooey, I dont see any reasone for Disney to make a voice over.... do u think they would put Timon saying "uh, a bug" in the middle of the scene where Kiara is drowning? I dont think so, & this is the same thing! I'm not saying I'm sure I'm right, the voice did sound like Kiara, but for some reason people tend to think that young children have the voice if wemen..... in my country, almost all of the cartton heroes who are kids a re coiced by weman, I dont know why.......
Dara, "She is just different"? u sound like something my school shrink would say! (mostly about me......) ((:
oh, Dara, u should have a sarabi holics shrine couse u seem WAAAAAY in love with that character!
by the way, I didnt read any of the Chronicles so u can keen on weeping....

we are one

May 31 - 13:22

Dara

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Shame, shame Beerit! Talking to Kiara holic#1 in such a threatning way... emmm we are one aren't we? Just kidding!!! Oh, about the 'Sarabi looking ugly' thing, I know you didn't mean she was really ugly. She is just different (and yes, she isn't as pretty as Nala) but the difference is making her pretty too. Look, all the lionesses in the pride look the same (including Sarafina, although she had a lovely naughty look on her face). Sarabi had dignity (look at the way she walked past the hyena's at the end, wasn't she magnificent?!!). She looked a bit odd at the end yes, I admit.
I think Mufasa had made a perfect choice.

Ohhhh, Shenzi! Tell me it's not true! You don't know who Aiheu is? He is the Lion God. Just like the hyena's have Roh'kash as their female God.
Please please PLEASE, go read the Chronicles Series, you won't be dissapointed, I promise!!

First: The Chronicles of the Pride Lands
Second: The Spirit Quest
Third: The Shaduw of the Makei (*GREAT STORY*)

It's NOT childish it's very serious (sometimes I really cried) and it's sooooo lovely!!! Like Sean said; you'll fall in Love with all these characters. You'll read things you never thought were possible. I like Shadow of the Makei most (yes, yes... the hyena's ARE my favorite characters in TLK!). The first part, Chronicles of the Pride Lands (young Mufasa and Scar and more) is really COOOOOL!! and the second part: the Spirit Quest (mainly about Rafiki) is very sad.

For me, the Chronicles series ARE Simba's Pride.
It's funny to read now, that Kiara is going to be Simba's daughter instead of Tanabi (Simba's son in the series). Well.... I can talk hours about the Series, but I won't. Go find it out yourself!

Oh, about the 'Get Right' thing... if I click on the info from Brian, it says: start Java. And then everything stops! I can't go any further and have to stop Netscape. I think I'll have to download things without it.... Thank you very much anyway!

Bye!!

Dara

*~WE ARE ONE~*

May 31 - 13:04

Hong Kong Phooey

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Kara, I have ordered the Kovu, Vitani, and Nuka bean bag set from EToys, and expect them to get here in a few days (I asked for 3 day shipping which can mean anywhere from 4-6 days). I had no problem ordering them, and they e-mail you when they ship an order out.

I held off on getting the Kiara, Pumbaa, and Timon set just because the other one had all "new" characters.

I'd guess that the other stuff might be out of stock because it might not be available in large quantities yet.

Beerit, I hate to keep arguing with you, but that "watch out" might not even be from that particular sequence. Disney is notorious for using/cutting/changing dialogue in previews. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that anything is possible.

May 31 - 12:24

Kara.

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Maybe they just switched the tags for the picture?
Has anyone actually ordered the beanies and got them yet? I was just wondering because I ordered them and I hope I get them. Also another thing that bugs me, is why do they say the other Simba's Pride merchandise is out of stock? Is it that popular that they would run out before the movie has come out, I mean we had never heard of them until now..... That might be Kovu who is saying "Watch out", but I think maybe it's a voice over from another scene to go with that one. I don't know what Kovu sounds like yet, but I think it was Kiara who said it. Well that's all for right now.
Kara (Kiara)

Pimpbot 5000, I guess you're right, but I still dont think disney will be cheap on picking the voice of Kovu. & another thing, when Kovu & Kiara are on the log, u hear someone say "watch out" when Kiara is almost eaten. I think its Kovu!!! why should Kiara say "watch out" if she is the one who's gonna be lunch?! the weird thing is that the voice is of a women..... hmmmmm.... weird..... bu when I open the Kovu site I will put the "watch out" on it couse I think its Kovu.
Hong Kong Phooey, case in point (or whatever), look at Kiara's beanie.......

we are one

May 31 - 11:54

Hong Kong Phooey

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I must say that I'm confused about the whole Nuka/Vitani thing. In the picture on the Simba's Pride beanies on Etoys, it appears that the tags on the characters were mixed up, for the peach-colored lion cub has a "Nuka" tag while the yellowish-cub with a black mane has a "Vitani" tag. However, I just saw scans of the tags, and it appears that Vitani is the peach colored female and Nuka is the yellow male.

To make things even more confusing, the colors on the Mattel beanies seem to be different from the movie characters: Kovu and the other cubs have black noses on the tags and pink noses on the beanies.

I think it is a safe bet to say that Vitani is a female character. While her beanie character has a lot of hair, keep in mind that a toy of a character doesn't always look exactly like a character.

May 31 - 09:58

Pimpbot 5000

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Beerit, Jason Marsden (adult Kovu) also provides the voice for young Shere Khan on the "Jungle Cubs" TV series, as well as the voice of young King Louie (during the shows 1st season, then Cree Summer took over). Therefore I did not believe it would be out of the question that he could also voice Young Kovu. I think his voice work on "Jungle Cubs" might have been electronically altered, but can't say for sure. So it wouldn't have been that out of the ordinary for him to voice a young character.

Amira, I'm glad u got into my site! & I'm no expert, this is my second site, & the first one was a real snooze! I just tought myself & everything else just fell into place...
Cold Dragon, I agre with everything u say! by the way, youe web page is cool!
Pimpbot 5000, of course toung Kovu will be voiced by someone that doesnt do adult Kovu! can u imagine adult simba saying "DAD, DAD! c'mon dad, lets go!"?
Neema, I'm glad u finally updated the site! it was cool, & I could'nt wait for u to updatet it!
it looks cool! but add some pics to the characters page.....
Hey!!!! I didnt mean she was ugly, luke this twisted, disgusting, hidious creature!!! she is the necest coolest lovinest mom ever drawn!!! But
when disney drew her I dont think they had beauty in their eyes....

we are one

Kiara holic #1, cool page! just dont make it any cooler then mine or I'll break your neck!!!!
have a nice day! (:

I'm sure that this question has been asked a lot, but does anyone know when the "Simba's Pride" merchandise will be released? I've seen quite a few pictures of it and also called Mattel who told me most of the plushies should be out now - but I can't find them anywhere! Anyone with any info, please let me know! Thanks so much! :)

Okay, a few of you have visited my site already and liked it. I just added a little bit more, including, but not limited to:

1. Some animated gifs in the movies clips sections.

2. I also write a response to everyone who signs the guest book, so if you have already signed it or will in the future, check back a little bit later to read my response.

3. On the links page, there is now a direct link to order either the miniature or large version of "The Art of the Lion King" from amazon.com, since I know some people were asking about that. If you don't want me to make any profit from you using my link, then you can go to amazon.com and do a search on "art of the lion king" or something like that.

4. I should be admitted to the SP and TLK webrings soon.

Once again the URL for my site, which is called "Kiara's Sahifa" ('sahifa' is Swahili for 'page,' you know, like 'webpage'), is:

Oh, I did too. I said my first was Sarafina. (I'm spamming, huh?) Anyway; that's to those who were curious who Lanie was. Me. Blah.

* baps Kidesong. *

Allllrightie...

Neema.

May 30 - 23:10

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I'm becoming a spam aren't I? But here's something I just found out but something that y'all probably already know.

They're [Disney] isn't putting Sarabi in the movie at all where she has to talk 'cause the person who did her voice died. And like you replace that voice. Sure.

I think her voice is her best quality, it goes with the look they gave her.

I don't think she's been cut from it, I *think* she's supposed to die in one of the first scences. Though I know absolutely nothing, where people get their information is beyond me. I picked up this tid-bit off a MUCK.

--Kides/Baji

May 30 - 20:43

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If you go to http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1888/busa.html
they have a scan of the Vitani and Nuka beanie tags! They are located under the merchandise area. The two cubs look very cute. I know that Nuka is a boy, and looks remarkably like Simba only with different colors and more mane. But, Vitani? Pardon me when I say this, but is Vitani a girl or a boy? I think Vitani is a girl, but with all that hair on her head, it's hard to tell. She bears a stricking resemblance to Scar in a girlish way, I guess... She doesn't look anything like Nala, or, Kiara. Maybe there are two types of lions, kind of like races I guess.... I don't know, I'm just thinking. I meant no offense, but I'm just thinking....
Kara (Kiara)

Sarabi ugly? I don't think so. I agree with Neema, she's one of the prettier lioness, she has such a mature, parental look.

But I don't like the way they drew Sarafina. Her eyes are way to big and her shoulders are to big.

I think Nala is the most attractive one, but that's 'cause she's Simba girlfriend. Like Simba would fall in love with an ugly lioness. Disney would not do that to him. ((Or their fans-- I mean, who likes and Ugly main character unless that's part of their personality :>))

But, hey Lanie, who do you think is the #1 attractive lioness? You said Sarafina was second and Nala third. :P

Oh, and on a side note, I can't believe I'm talking about which lioness in TLK is the most attractive. :>

Do I think Sarabi is ugly? No way. I think she's one of the more attractive lionesses in the pride -- Sarafina is my first; Nala's the third. However, she does look kind of lanky and strange when Scar calls upon her. Probably because of the drought the hyenas have caused and all, she got to be thinner -- and she got older, so she looked older as the result. But I'm not saying she was ugly.

But -- weird little question here -- why does Nala look so fit? I've been wondering that. I mean, most of the lionesses you see when Simba fights Scar are lanky, in my eyes. Nala looks perfectly fine. Anyhoo, there's my two cents on the matter.

Neema

May 30 - 19:37

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Just wanted everyone to know that I wasn't saying that I knew if Rowan Atkinson was or was not providing Zazu's voice for "Simba's Pride." The Internet Movie Database lists him as a voice, as well as Kathleen Turner as the voice for Zira (don't know if this source is accurate, but could be) and lists Jason Marsden as "Adult Kovu." Wonder if "Young Kovu" is voiced by someone different. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Hey everyone. I don't think Sarabi is ugly, I think she was drawn the way she was because maybe Disney wanted her to look older and more mature than the other lions. I got the HTML code typed out for my links site, so all I have to do now is add pics and I'm making a new main page right now that includes frames. It'll all be up by next week I imagine. Later people.

May 30 - 19:22

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I think the main problem with Sarabi is that she is properportion. If you see her when she talks to Scar at the end she looks like a cross between a dachshunt, aka weener dog, and a lion. She is way to long there the body, her spine and ribs could not hold up that much. i think she also has a odd, but still nice looking face. Where as Nala is in perportion, she also would proably be a lion cover model, if there was such a think.

On another note the TLK TV show would be a tradity. What would there be to talk about, or do the movies focus on major issues in the pride. Lions don't realy do much on an everyday basis.
A third movie would be just as bad it would be so tired. There would proably be another batch of cute cubs, but there would not be anything for them to do except repeat what there parents have already done.

Okay, there has been much progress made on the Kiara site. Can someone e-mail me and explain how to add the webring thing to my site? I'm not that dumb, but I never dealt with that type of thing before. And I'll probably be going to check out that internet swahili dictionary thing soon (thanks for the URL, Beerit). Also, e-mail me if you want to find out the URL of my under construction site. It still looks excellent even though I have to work out the usual bugs and all. Its exceeding even my wildest expectations. I might even be adding a direct link to order "The Art of the Lion King" from amazon.com. I have the small version of it (size doesn't matter in this instance), and I really cherish it.

if ur wondering why i am sooooo glad, then its because i was ON BEERIT'S SITE ALREADY!! its great and it looks soooooo brilliant!! r u a expert at making web pages or something, beerit?

ok....i lost control of myself.....im going to buy the "purring kiara" ASAP when it is in stock!

YAY!!!

cya

May 30 - 16:28

Kris

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About the 'sarabi being ugly' thing...
Well, maybe Nala is prettier that Sarabi, but remember that Sarabi is older than her.
Also, I think Sarabi is prettier in the first part of the movie than in the last. And that's probaly cause she is older in the last part, and the death of Mufasa (and Simba) must have depressed her a lot. That could make people older!

Okie, this is DEFINITELY something old, but it's bugging me. In TLK, Mufasa is barely holding onto the cliff with all the stampeding wildebeast (or whatever they are) underneath. And he peads to Scar to help him. When I listen to that part this is what I hear.

Mufasa: Scar...(then he slips and I SWEAR I hear someone saying brother!)...brother..help me..

Is this just me or is this real old news or something? My fault for finding out about this place later, hmm? =) Someone e-mail me and let me know please! Thankies!

More Old News From Me: I watched TLK on ABC and saw previews for Simba's Pride after the movie was done. I really liked the song "We Are One" And I can't wait for the sequel to get out!!!

Sorry for all this old stuff, but my computer crashed so I haven't been updated for the past month or so! Arrrggh! Hakuna Matata!

Kiara holic #1, maybe what u should do is take a swahili word (from http://www.yale.edu/swahili/, the internet living swahili directory!) & do something like a "Kiara's Kamahitu" or something!
hey, why didnt I think of that?!

Hey, I'm stoked. Its 5:00 in the morning and I already got one response. I can't eat, I can't sleep. I just gotta make this Kiara site. Beerit, I'm totally with you and your Kovu thing all the way. I go to Myra's SP site sometimes and it looks like she's the only one on the SP webring, so you and I will make it three. I've got good things planned for my site. It should end up with a pretty sleek, professional look. I'm going to go set up the basic, rudimentary portion of it now. I just got a space reserved for it on GeoCities but what I need help with is a good title. I might be able to think of something better than "Kiara's Page" except for the fact that its 5AM (did I mention that already?). And while I am already a dyed-in-the-wool Kiara-holic, I still kind of want to avoid calling the site "Kiaraholics Anonymous." Something more serengeti-sounding should be good. If I use your suggestion, you will be given full credit in the site.

Kiara-holic #1

P.S. Beerit: I think I remember seeing a cool and highly appropriate background on your site. Mind if I copy it over to mine?

Cold Dragon, I'm glad it looks better on tv!!!
& about simba, someone once said that he thinks that disney wanted to make simba look like
mufasa! I think he was right! & in that shot he does look like mufasa although u see him just for a second.
Hong Kong Phooey, I'm gald u finally saw it!!!
Dara, the one problem with "gr" is that when u download through it it takes even more time! like if u download something that normaly takes 4 hours.
It'll take 4:15 or 4:30 but I think its worth it!!! & I think sarabi looked like the world's best lioness mom! but she's still ugly....... compared to nala, of course! by the way, from what
u see, Kiara is a babe!!!! cool!!!!!!!!!!
& about the sleeping thing, of course Dara, what do u think I do in school? te-he!
Takita, about that tv series, I hope they dont have one for TLK/SP!!! that will ruin all the magic about it!!! (u know what I mean when I say magic...)
it makes me so mad!!!!!! I cant deal with this right now, I'm going to sleep.... z z z z z z z Dara, >wink<
JFT, when u finish the fan fic, will u give it to me to post in my site, please? but only if its SP related....
Amira, I hope that u will be able to get into my site! I dont want to brag, but I think its realy cool! (it better be! I worked on it for 2 days non stop!)
shenzi, I liked the hippoes... sometimes its ok to make weird stuff... & Aiheu is suposed to be a lion god. I dont know if he's a real african lion god, or someone made him up in some fan fic... hmmmmmmmmmmm....
Blue Lion, that's why I said it was weird.... I dont know either, & simba & nala look far too happy to be saying good bye, but dont u think if she would have comed back,
Simba & Nala would have jumped on her, & started cying or something?! think about it.....
Curlion, if u dont have a certain DLL file I think somethings wrong with your computer... it happened to me once... but I aint sure so jusr call the people who sold u the computer!

we are one

p.s.Kiara-holic #1, funny u should mention! I'm planing to opn a KovuHolics site soon! I already have the from page & a Link botton so if any of u liked my SP site I think you'll like my Kovu site too! bye!

May 30 - 07:22

GarciaTheDog

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Um, in the end of TLK the cub that Rafiki holds up
looks like baby Simba.How come in SP the cub is a girl if TLK cub looked like a boy?I think it makes sense that Scar had a secret mate, but a whole pride?

Okay, I finally got myself one of those cool Lion King/Simba's Pride tags, but my real name's a real big secret ain't it?, just sittin' there as plain as day in my e-mail address. From what I've seen, I'll probably end up switching from being a Nalaholic to a Kiaraholic. I'm also thinking that I'll be starting the very first (I'm sure more will follow) website devoted solely to Kiara. Maybe I can even start one in about a day or two. I'll keep everyone posted and may be asking some of the more-seasoned TLK/SP/HTMLers that frequent the mill here for help and suggestions (mostly technical) once I get the basic thing going. Yeah, okay, I've committed myself to starting no later than this Sunday, May 31, 1998. Okay, enough ramblin'. I'm really hoping for Rowan Atkinson to do Zazu myself and am scared of a substandard product being produced, but we all got the general idea that SP will at least be better than the previous Disney direct-to-video sequels (let's keep our collective fingers crossed). I'm also hoping there'll be a Kiara/Kovu pillowcase to replace my threadbare Simba/Nala one. Okay, I'm going to go now. Hopefully people will e-mail me with or post encouragement on the rumour mill for my up-and-coming Kiara site, so I can get an idea of how much support there is for it.

Hakuna Matata!

Kiara-holic #1

May 30 - 05:38

Cold Dragon

Location: Maryland,USA
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Last night there was a big crowd of eight people on the TLK chat and I think we had fun. Anyone who wanted to chat but did not because there were no people give it a try sunday, about 9:00 EDT time.

Well, it finaly happened! Just uploaded my web page! Right now its not much to look at because my stupid brother deleted the HTML code for my links page(I should kill him)! http://members.aol.com/ALehman302/main.htm

Please read the README file that's part of the ZIP package. It describes the issue of certain Visual Basic libraries that you need to download from Microsoft's site in order to install the screensaver.

PLEASE, someone help me. I have been trying and trying to download the Hakuna Matata screensaver. It keeps saying, Erron DLL file not found: MSVBVBSO.DLL. Does anyone know what this means? Has anyone else had any trouble with it?

(jaw hanging open)What do you mean who is Aiheu? I thought everyone had read "The Chronicles of The Pride Lands". Which is at least one of THE greatest things to happen in TLK universe... I suggest everyone read it. I personally think it's better than the movie as far as in depth character studies.

Basicly, if you like TLK you will fall in LOVE with the characters of the "Chronicles". Especially Aiheu!!!

Aiheu provides...
Good reading...

Sean(LionsWatch)

May 29 - 18:23

Blue Lion

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just a qucik note, about whether or not kiara is saying goosd bye or returining as an adult in the preview, an interesting popint was brought to me about this on chat last night by cold dragon, if she leaves, who would rule the pride lands? just a thought... gotta go!

Yah. I'm on 'em--I've been on 'em since 1996.. I think. (Has it been that long?! :) Anyway, I'm Neema on TLK Muck. Not giving any others out--people page me too much already. ;) I think there wasc one about Ahadi/Young Mufasa/Young Scar/Young
Sarabi/Etc/Etc. Breezy Savannahs; it's been down forever, though.

Ciao,

Neema.

May 29 - 17:18

shenzi

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that sucks that Rowan atkinson isn't going to voice zazu. i hate it when disney does a cartoon spinoff or sequel and they get some new guy to voice a character and the character sounds weird. remember in aladdin 2 and the aladdin cartoon series. it sounded so weird that robin williams didn't voice the genie. i agree with Dara. sarabi isn't ugly. Beerit- i didn't say the animation in sp was wonderful but i think its much better than the animation in the aladdin sequels . i really wish they would have made it look as good as tlk but i guess it ain't gonna happen. kovu and kiara look cute though. but those hippos look messed up. they're kind of dopey looking. Does any one know who Aiheu is ? Busa Simba !

Beerit, now its [the computer] telling me your site does NOT EXIST!! is there some way to get to your lovely SP site????

bye

May 29 - 16:29

Pimpbot 5000

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Some information on a possible voice for Zazu in "Simba's Pride":

Since it is not known if Rowan Atkinson will return as Zazu, the most likely candidate seems to be actor Michael Gough. Gough provided the voice for Zazu in "The Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management," an Audio-Animatronic show at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom. I believe he may also have voiced Zazu in "The Lion King's Timon and Pumbaa" TV series. You may remember Gough as the Butler in the recent "Batman" movies.

May 29 - 15:36

JFT

Location: Houston, Tx
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Here is one TLK story that I found years ago. I really liked it.

http://www.lionking.org/~ryan/lionking/text/fanfic/gospel.txt

I liked this one som mutch that I tried to right one myself but lost the story kong ago. Now I'm trying again, this time for LK2. Hopefully it will tide me over till to movie is released. I havent decied to post it on the net yet, mostly due to copy rights. The hardest part about wrighting is making the story the way you like it for if you don't like it, it's not worth the time. If you like it and nobody elese likes it, no big loss.

I think that sorta pre-TLK MUCK thing would be cool! You wouldn't have any guidlines 'cept names. *That* would be tight. Just to wing it. :)

--Kides/'Baji

May 29 - 13:32

Kris
TLKfan
Location: Norway
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Hello guys...
This is off topic, but I want to hear what you people think..
Are anyone of you on 1 or more of the TLK mucks?
If you are, don't you think it would be intresting if they made a muck that is about the time *before* TLK? Like, the feature chars would be Mufasa, Scar, Sarabi and Sarafina as cubs! And Mufasa and Scar's father, (Ahadi is his name isn't it?) would be king! I just think it would be intresting....

Thanks about the pic about the roaring lioness!
I was not wrong after all, pfew! I'm still not sure about if the roaring lioness is Kiara or Nala calling for her child. And if the lion is Simba or Kovu.... never mind....
Oh and I don't think Sarabi is ugly! She has the most warmest en the most adorable smile when she's saying Simba goodby (when he's away with Mufasa when he's going to learn about what's all his when he's king). Remember that scene? It send shivers down my spine every time I see it!! She's such a proud mother there looking like she's saying: there goes my precious little boy... isn't he wonderful?

Only 2 hours awake a day?? what kind of girl are you Beerit?! ha, ha, just kidding! oh, I like the new buttons better Beerit, but maybe you can make then a little bit bigger, you can't hardly see what kind of pics the're. Just a little suggestion, I don't know if it's possible...

mmm, I think I'm going to download that 'get right' thing... I want to see the previeuw too!!