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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I said IU was a poorly coached and very low talent football team. They are. But they're unlucky that Minnesota isn't on their schedule. 2011 Minnesota is undoubtedly the worst Big Ten team I've ever seen. I can't see it happening, but if Minnesota wins another game, the opposing coaching staff and athletic director should be fired on the spot.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

They might as well go with the Tre Roberson experience at this point. That offensive line is so bad that the other two QBs might not make it through the season.

I agree. I did not watch the whole game very intently because I was pretty close to blacked out by halftime, but I saw nothing from Kiel that excited me. At least Roberson can make a play with his legs. The only reason I could think to not make that move would be if you started playing Roberson at WR/RB the rest of the way to get him more experience in preperation for the next Kiel.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

It was tough to get any read on Dusty because Illinois knew that on third down they could blitz and our offensive line would collapse in a blink of an eye.

Obviously, Dusty isn't the answer or even really a Big Ten caliber QB, but I don't think he's quite as bad as he looks. I don't know, it's just a bad football team. The Oklahoma style just doesn't work here because we don't have the lines that Oklahoma has always had. We can't protect the QB for the length of time it takes for the draw running plays or vertical passing plays to develop. Oklahoma and Wilson probably run more deep post and corner routes than any other offense in college football and we jsut don't have the beef here to let those plays develop.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I don't care if you appreciate it or not. It implies no such thing. All it does imply is that he is a very injury prone person, and any injury he suffers, especially with his rail thin legs comes as absolutely no shock to me. I was already considering anything he gave us this upcoming season to be a bonus. It sucks for him, I feel terrible for the guy, but it's hardly shocking news.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

If you can't see how that tone comes off as slightly dickish considering his circumstances than that is your problem not mine. Who cares whether it is shocking or not, it is a devastating injury and didn't need to be said.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

You can't really be surprised by this though. Even if this hadn't happened, he was still recovering from the other leg injury. For him, personally, I feel terrible. For the team, I don't think it's a huge loss. Like I said, I didn't expect much out of him to begin with.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I don't think we'll see him in an IU uniform ever again. Especially with the class that is coming in next year. If Harris commits, it is almost certainly the end of Creek's IU career. We just wouldn't even have a spot for him anymore.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Yeah, I saw it. No backlash from me. As long as it was a one time thing, I'm not going to hang anyone over it. Crean has been pretty open about it and even sent out a tweet about it last night. Obviously, it's not an ideal scenario, but I do understand mistakes happen, and from the timeline I've read it does sound like an honest mistake and it seems the NCAA is OK with the self imposed deduction of recruiting days. I'm confident that if anything else is going on I'm sure it will come out as the NCAA is surely watching us like a hawk. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it at this point.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Yeah, I saw it. No backlash from me. As long as it was a one time thing, I'm not going to hang anyone over it. Crean has been pretty open about it and even sent out a tweet about it last night. Obviously, it's not an ideal scenario, but I do understand mistakes happen, and from the timeline I've read it does sound like an honest mistake and it seems the NCAA is OK with the self imposed deduction of recruiting days. I'm confident that if anything else is going on I'm sure it will come out as the NCAA is surely watching us like a hawk. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it at this point.

I agree that the infraction is pretty inconsequentional but the "honest mistake" thing doesn't really add up. As The Daily's* Dan Wolken, one of the best sports columnists out there right now in my opinion, wrote,

"Tom Crean visited Gary Harris a day after the contact period ended? Sorry, but that screams intentional violation. That's not some sort of technicality or gray area. It's the friggin recruiting calendar. Coaches know it by heart."

It's obviously not a big deal. But a team on probation shouldn't be comitting violations at all. Especially violations that are so completely obvious. I mean seriously, Terry Hutchens can write in his blog about how the "NCAA manual is the size of the Yellow Pages and is as easy to read as a Tom Clancy novel**" but this is not some little known clause to a rule located on page 976 of a hard to decipher book. It's a calendar. Everbody knows it. You can Google it and find it in literally 1 second. Google "2011-12 NCAA basketball recruiting calendar" and click the first link.

It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I agree that it could very easily not be an honest mistake, just giving Crean the benefit of the doubt. Also, it would seem that if IU was habitually rule breaking right now or committing a major violation, we would know since Crean probably has the NCAA attached to his hip most of the time.

Also, Coach Calipari was at a frozen yogurt place down the road from HSE yesterday according to a JMV tweet, I'm still trying to piece together all these rules, but if he had met with Harris would that also be a violation?

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I agree that it could very easily not be an honest mistake, just giving Crean the benefit of the doubt. Also, it would seem that if IU was habitually rule breaking right now or committing a major violation, we would know since Crean probably has the NCAA attached to his hip most of the time.

Tom Crean isn't as stupid as he's portraying himself by saying it was a mistake. If he was, he wouldn't be a Big Ten basketball coach. Hell, he wouldn't even be a high school graduate. He knew what he was doing. It was a calculated risk. He knew the potential reward outweighed the penalty. If IU wasn't already under probation, it would be no big deal to anyone and honestly, we probably would know nothing about it. But intentionally breaking a rule, even a minor one, seems like a big deal when it is being a committed by a school with IU's history. Even if that history had nothing to do with Crean.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

You are making it out to be a lot bigger deal than it is (unsurprisingly). Here's the thing: The evaluation period was still going on. So Crean could go and visit Harris, just not talk to him. It's not like he couldn't be anywhere around him and brazenly went to HSE and talked to Harris. It's perfectly plausible that he made an honest mistake. After all, he did self-report it that very same day. It's not a big deal and the only reason this is a story is because it happened at Indiana.