If Rubio gets this child tax credit thing done

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I'm not a huge deficit worrier, Jim. Its just that most of you guys apparently are, until you are not. I'm just raising the point. But given the options I do believe that tax-and-spend is a lot better than don't tax-and-spend.

All in all this goes against my grain but I have to admit I have larger concerns such as reductions in national monuments, environmental deregulation and keeping protections for workers. And I really, really, really want single payer.

Also, I'm not sure I'm going to be paying less taxes with these changes. Not because I'm wealthy (at all) but because we have no children.

I think you guys have been bought off. You (and I, perhaps) may get a few hundred dollars more in our pockets to spend as the super-rich continue to get more and more breaks. But if you are not worried about wage stagnation and increasing wealth disparity then I'm not going to hold it against you. We all have different priorities.

Thank you for your honest answers even if Sherb completely pussied out on giving his opinion. #draglessdrift

I'm not a huge deficit worrier, Jim. Its just that most of you guys apparently are, until you are not. I'm just raising the point. But given the options I do believe that tax-and-spend is a lot better than don't tax-and-spend.

All in all this goes against my grain but I have to admit I have larger concerns such as reductions in national monuments, environmental deregulation and keeping protections for workers. And I really, really, really want single payer.

Also, I'm not sure I'm going to be paying less taxes with these changes. Not because I'm wealthy (at all) but because we have no children.

I think you guys have been bought off. You (and I, perhaps) may get a few hundred dollars more in our pockets to spend as the super-rich continue to get more and more breaks. But if you are not worried about wage stagnation and increasing wealth disparity then I'm not going to hold it against you. We all have different priorities.

Thank you for your honest answers even if Sherb completely pussied out on giving his opinion. #draglessdrift

If you can honestly say you can live without those conveniences---by all means---don't pay tax

Ok, now you got me fired up (it doesn't take much these days!). These big-government hating Mormons here in Utah sure love them some government funded U.S. Forest Service fire fighting aircraft this summer when South Ogden was on fire. Man, they loved that ****. A bag of marshmallows is a lot cheaper.

Ok, now you got me fired up (it doesn't take much these days!). These big-government hating Mormons here in Utah sure love them some government funded U.S. Forest Service fire fighting aircraft this summer when South Ogden was on fire. Man, they loved that ****. A bag of marshmallows is a lot cheaper.

Yes their alternative can come from our history books---where families escaped massive fires by diving into the local river
this **** just does'nt appear---we don't work for nothing---neither does anybody else

It's not just welfare. That's just indicative of the largesse. It's the most visible example. Nobody here has any idea the amount of waste that goes on in federal spending.

Do you guys really believe there is nothing we can cut? That we are so close to the verge of complete ruin that we cannot even consider cutting taxes and spending?

I've already said that we can cut on the favorite whipping boy of the left: military. Now which one of your sacred cows can we cut next? As suspected, the infrastructure argument came up. Fire, public works, roads. Yeah, I'm all for supporting those. I obviously use them. But transportation is like 2% of the budget. Let's talk about those larger sections of federal spending.

Finally, it's not about the measly dollars I may get back in tax refunds. And

It's not just welfare. That's just indicative of the largesse. It's the most visible example. Nobody here has any idea the amount of waste that goes on in federal spending.

Do you guys really believe there is nothing we can cut? That we are so close to the verge of complete ruin that we cannot even consider cutting taxes and spending?

I've already said that we can cut on the favorite whipping boy of the left: military. Now which one of your sacred cows can we cut next? As suspected, the infrastructure argument came up. Fire, public works, roads. Yeah, I'm all for supporting those. I obviously use them. But transportation is like 2% of the budget. Let's talk about those larger sections of federal spending.

Finally, it's not about the measly dollars I may get back in tax refunds. And

Funny how when they give you a 2.6% raise, you are supposed to think that is huge.

In either case just like when W did this, it will not result in added jobs, better pay, or more growth. And just as it has since Reagan it will widen the wealth gap and double the national debt.

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

Social Security and Medicare are funded by separate taxes, that would be more taking from Joe Sixpack to give to Richie Rich.

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

Nobody in the upper 1% are suffering under the current tax code and not everyone that is rich busted their **** to get there. Trump being the best example of that.

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

Why should you want yourself, or anyone else, to pay more taxes? We always hear about tax raising and lowering. Never do we hear about spending cuts.

I don't believe in the boogey man that is the white fat cat on Wall Street. Yet that's what is always offered up every time we talk about tax cuts. Why do we support these rich guys? My boss is double taxed. He's also my father. He is one of the "rich fat cats" if you look at Obama's definition of the wealthy. Those "making" above 250k. He pays corporate AND personal income on that. It's ****. What's left over is just plowed back into the company anyway. He's certainly not firing up a cigar with a Benjamin. Now, I'll admit, there's personal anger felt at the checkout line when you see the fat, sorry **** slobs paying for mountains of sugar drinks and food with a gov't card. So there's my answer. Why the hell do we have to pay for someone else who can work but won't?

I know, I know. Privilege, oppression, racism.... But there can be no denial that making it easier for people to eat without lifting a finger is enabling that behavior.

Social security is a joke. How many retirees am I paying for now? What poor return will I see on that money in the future? I can manage that money far better than the gov't. But it's not just the camel's nose that's under the tent, he's come all the way inside and **** on the fabric. Short story, tax cuts = automatic good thing, in my opinion. If we are so worried about the deficit, let's look at expenditures. Then I'll listen to that argument.

Did you ever wonder how many of those food stamp users actually work fulltime jobs? What kind of retirement do you think they will be able to save for?

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

It's not just welfare. That's just indicative of the largesse. It's the most visible example. Nobody here has any idea the amount of waste that goes on in federal spending.

Do you guys really believe there is nothing we can cut? That we are so close to the verge of complete ruin that we cannot even consider cutting taxes and spending?

I've already said that we can cut on the favorite whipping boy of the left: military. Now which one of your sacred cows can we cut next? As suspected, the infrastructure argument came up. Fire, public works, roads. Yeah, I'm all for supporting those. I obviously use them. But transportation is like 2% of the budget. Let's talk about those larger sections of federal spending.

Finally, it's not about the measly dollars I may get back in tax refunds. And

Mark this day on the calendar
they'll cut taxes but wasteful spending will keep going
the debt just grows----as well as fat cat wallets

Here's an idea. Every able bodied male that is on gov't assistance will be required to obtain successful employment. However, when said male is not out hunting for a job, he will, Monday through Friday, be required to show up to my farm and pull weeds, clear fence rows, or whatever else I need to get done.

If there is no work to be done, then they go to a building in the middle of town and sit there from 8 to 5. I don't get to sit on MY **** all day. Why should they?

This seems to be one of the mantras of the conservative movement, worry about what everyone else is doing.

Stop whining. Georgia gets more federal money from other states' taxpayers than you and the other welfare recipients in (AKA "residents of") Georgia send to Washington. You mostly have Texas and New England to thank for supporting you.

This seems to be one of the mantras of the conservative movement, worry about what everyone else is doing.

Not to mention govt assistance does not go to able bodied males. It goes to feed children and the majority of snap benefits go to people that work full time minimum wage jobs. But we can't raise the minimum wage. I guess they just shouldn't be able to eat.

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

You (and I, perhaps) may get a few hundred dollars more in our pockets to spend as the super-rich continue to get more and more breaks. But if you are not worried about wage stagnation and increasing wealth disparity then I'm not going to hold it against you. We all have different priorities.

Why do people care so much about the rich getting richer? Never understood this. I could care less about the rich getting richer.

Matter of fact the rich, that everyone seems to hate, is the reason I stayed employed during the last economic crash. They were building multi-million dollar homes and putting the products my company makes in them. Thus I got to stay employed and so did a boat load of factory workers.

Why do people care so much about the rich getting richer? Never understood this. I could care less about the rich getting richer.

Matter of fact the rich, that everyone seems to hate, is the reason I stayed employed during the last economic crash. They were building multi-million dollar homes and putting the products my company makes in them. Thus I got to stay employed and so did a boat load of factory workers.

Most people care about having a sense of fairness in the tax system. This tax bill overwhelmingly favors the very upper income level taxpayers. Former RNC Chairman Michael Steele said that when taxpayers unwrap the GOP Christmas tax cut gift they may discover coal.

Why do people care so much about the rich getting richer? Never understood this. I could care less about the rich getting richer.

Matter of fact the rich, that everyone seems to hate, is the reason I stayed employed during the last economic crash. They were building multi-million dollar homes and putting the products my company makes in them. Thus I got to stay employed and so did a boat load of factory workers.

It is not about the rich getting richer, it is about the poor getting poorer. In the wealthiest country on earth people should not have to miss meals or not be able to afford health insurance while working full time. Now we are taking money from those programs that help people in those classes get by and live decent lives and giving it to wealthy people whom history demonstrates do not do anything to improve the economy with it. Trickle down is a lie.

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

And should we go ahead and let those that refuse to buy insurance die?

'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan