Professor: SCOTUS decisions on marriage are “pretty ominous”

by Wilson

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM EDT

Stu guest hosted last night’s Glenn Beck Program and spoke with Princeton University professor and author Robbie George about what the Supreme Court decisions on the Defense of Marriage Act and California’s Proposition 8 mean for traditional marriage. Furthermore, in the aftermath of the Kermit Gosnell trial, what are the implications of recent abortion debates in Texas and elsewhere? Stu and Robbie discuss.

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Jaamoose

Guess what – if you can’t sell your daughter off for three goats and a cow at age 12, we have already “redefined marriage” from what it is in a biblical sense. Get over it already.

Anonymous

There is no Bible verse that condones the selling of your daughter for three goats and a cow at age 12, or I’m sure you would have posted the reference. Since you’ve made it clear that you have zero understanding of the Bible, let me help you out. The first several chapters of Genesis, Ephesians chapter 5, and the Love Chapter of 1 Corinthians chapter 13 are pointers to what the Bible says about true love and marriage. Also read the book of Song of Songs (aka Song of Solomon) about the nature of lust between a man and a woman.

Jaamoose

Trust me, every atheist (like me) has read the bible. Funny you reference Solomon, just for refreshers, tell me -how many wives did he have? You don’t have to mention the concubines, because we all know they are just for sport…

Anonymous

God didn’t okay the concubines. He never condones anything but one man and one woman unions. Your beef isn’t with me, it’s with God since he doesn’t agree with you and yourself since, I reiterate, you have zero understanding of the Bible.

Jaamoose

Hmm..you didn’t mention the 700 wives. There are so many biblical examples of the twisted place marriage holds in religion. I’ll throw out one from 2 Samuel that covers god-approved rape, infanticide, and twisted deity sex-watching.
Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’ Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.

Anonymous

Your passage here is a passage of mercy and of a fulfillment of a covenant. God fulfilled his promise here because Absalom did in fact take the concubines to bed. He also forgave David for his own adultery and commuted his death sentence. You are missing the point here, God never said, “David, Solomon, I’m happy that you have hundreds of wives. I’m so FOR that! Keep it up, here’s a few more.” God never jumped into the sack with the women, never said it was okay, and in fact summarily punished many a man for his misdeeds in this regard.

Remember, all of those fishy and barbaric Old Testament laws were abolished by Christ, the Lamb of God. The Bible is dead set against polygamy and homosexuality and all forms of sexual intercourse with anyone other than one spouse of the opposite sex. Go ahead and google another verse straight out of context.
You are an atheist. You know the Bible disagrees with you on everything. What I don’t understand is why you are making the claim that a book which you wholeheartedly disagree with, somehow agrees with you. The Bible isn’t backing you on this, and you aren’t backing the Bible on anything. You are either with or against the book, but how dare you misrepresent its message.

Anonymous

Bert 28
Remember he told us many will come in my names sake but they are not of me !
God bless

Jaamoose

Well, it looks like the thread ran out of reply options os I’ll do it here to your remark below. I won’t quote anymore from that despicable book, just ask you if you are just as apologetic for the story of Job or the twisted sexuality of Lot? And you are dead wrong, I don’t want the bible to agree with me on anything. To freethinking people, it’s no more relevant than tales of Zeus or Odin. Simply ancient people trying to explain the world around them. Except in the cases of Zeus and Odin, at least the stories are interesting to read…

Anonymous

Hey Jaamoose, you’ve ran away from your own argument here. As a person who greatly appreciates poetry and literature, I’d say the Bible has plenty of interesting stories within it. Greek and Roman mythology have plenty of stories of interest, and are about on par with the Bible in gore and graphic lore. Feel however you want about that book, but it’s words have carried me through plenty of bad times where all I needed was a little hope, and I received it every time. Have a good day and thank you for the debate.

Anonymous

What is the purpose of marriage? Adam needed a SUITABLE helper and companion. We’re adults here (most of us), a penis and a vagina fit together in perfect harmony. A man needs a womanly presence in his life to ease his tensions, whatever they may be. A woman needs a man as an emotional anchor, when she cannot be that anchor unto herself. Men and women each have inherent flaws and shortcomings which can be overcome and forgiven by people of the opposite sex.

This is what I say to homosexual people. God told me not to hate you and I don’t. God told me that your lifestyle is bogus, and I will listen to what he says over you AT ALL TIMES. God also instituted marriage. The word and the idea of marriage do not belong to you or me, they belong to God. You are hijacking the word marriage and redefining it to meet your own ends. That is fraud. “Gay marriage” is the purest example of a fraudulent phrase.

Go ahead, steal the word, but your union will never be in any way shape or form similar to a heterosexual union. You can love someone without wanting to do things to their body. If you understood that, I guess you’d all be “just friends” instead of “just married.” There are about 1 million children in this country alone who have been displaced by a gay parent who decided to divorce their lover and fellow parent of their child.

Jaamoose

You can’t say that it’s hijacking the word marriage from your god, that’s just a falsehood. Marriage existed before your bible was scribbled down. The word marriage does belong to you and me, and society. The perfect solution is to remove any god from it once and for all. Marriage should be a solely civil function. Religions could of course offer their special blessings to members if they wish, but the only act with legal standing should be the civil portion, and it should be open to all.

Anonymous

Adam and Eve were the first couple. Marriage is what it is and isn’t what it isn’t. If you want to persist with your denial, it’s just amusing to me.

Anonymous

Amen

Anonymous

And it’s amusing to us that you’re an adult who still believes in the fairy tale of religion.
Talking snakes…men walking on water…a man losing his superhuman strength due to a haircut…a man living inside a whale for days..
You’re a fully grown adult male walking around believing in such tales. Now THAT is amusing.

So we’ll continue to be amused by each other. It is what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

It is amazing you atheists have to plant your head’s up Christians rears.

Anonymous

Amused by you? I’m appalled by you. I of course wrote this post to another person, but your so vain, you probably thought that post was about you. Yes, I’m a grown man, married to a good woman by the way. It’s a joke to think that a man thinks that adapting to the needs of another man is the same as adapting to the needs of a woman. One of the two takes a little more understanding and patience, and is far more worth it in the end.

Sandie

May be stirring things up, but….

“Men and women each have inherent flaws and shortcomings which can be overcome and forgiven by people of the opposite sex. ” …… or if they are homosexual … they have “inherent flaws and shortcomings which can be overcome and forgiven by people of the”…. same sex. But why not the same sex also?

There are some things that we cannot control – that are in the hands of “God” or “Nature” and no matter how hard one tries, if the twig is bent in that direction by biology and any other factors, it cannot be changed in nature. All we can do is be understanding and accommodating where feasible, while there is no need to recognize the condition for anything more than it is …. an anomaly of nature, whose victims need to have some sort of accommodation and society, thus in law.

Generally speaking, people don’t choose to be homosexual. They are born with the proclivity. Should they be parents there is a lot of psychological speculating that has been written about it, pro and con. What I see is that a ‘normal’ family has male & female parents who each have their own sexually oriented patterns to imprint on a child ) male vs female) which is prevalent in nature, and a same sex parent family will not be able to provide that patterning. This really does have an effect on ‘their’ children.

This is a topic that I could go on about for hours, so I don’t really want to get you gong on it, but I just had to drop a few lines with my thoughts about it. I guess part of why I am interested in it more than most and may have a more open mind about it is because I had a dear male friend who died long ago from AIDS. I also played on a team where some of the girls I was friends with were what we used to call “dykes”. We had many open and honest discussions about the aberration that is homosexuality, and how that anomaly in the brain affects people. Very interesting, and something most of you all don’t have a good understanding of.

Anonymous

People just don’t understand anymore, marriage, it’s just not a thing gay people can do. It’s like how a man can’t bear a child. Gay couples are not in a marriageable situation. I think they need their own state, where they can bang each other and not make us aquiesce to their demands, which are perverse and have no place…anywhere.

Anonymous

Maybe it is really about how good a man taste’s to another man’s dick! OR could it be that a woman loves the taste of another woman’s vagina !
Give it a rest sexual pig’s do what they do there just pig’s like that .
Bert28 you got it right brother God be with you .
Shit stink’s stay away from that you all know what is right and wrong you live with the filth not I.
Thanx Bill you opened the door President of no moral’s .

Anonymous

Thank you for your encouragement here. It is greatly appreciated. God bless and laus deo.

Anonymous

You got it my brother in his name we walk together !!!!!

Anonymous

Yes, you’re walking together. Into the dustbin of history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

Ladies and gentleman liberal tolerance.

Anonymous

Excuse me, but I’m defending a marriage of a man and a woman, one that can produce offspring. If this mentality is going into the dustbin, then…HOW WILL PEOPLE BE BORN? I would say that gay marriage sort of puts an end to reproduction. This is all quite obvious I think.

Anonymous

“I would say that gay marriage sort of puts an end to reproduction.”

Yes, legalizing gay marriage will obviously end reproduction. Because once we make gay marriage legal, EVERYONE will turn gay. That’s the ONLY reason you’re not gay now– because it’s unacceptable.
But once it become acceptable, all you straight people will completely lose all your heterosexual desires and become gay. You will no longer feel any attraction toward women, you will began to look at men and become aroused…

That’s how it works, studpuppy. See ya at the next Cher concert!

Anonymous

Stick to the topic, I’m not headed into any dustbin. That’s my point. At this point all you are going to be is rude. So fuck off or don’t, you won’t get a response.

Anonymous

The true dustbin lives deep inside you if you think that a Christian is walking away in history thank you this is proof enough for me that i’m right where God wants me too be just remember Christian doesn’t mean i’m a wussy don’t you ever forget that about any of us because evil like you are promised defeat.

Anonymous

Glenn Beck knows all about the taste of another man’s dick. He used to pay for cocaine while giving blumpkin blowjobs to an African American coke dealer. Now he pretends to be a cult leader, but he’s just a junkie con man

Anonymous

Society has been evolving since day one.
You’d have to be pretty dang arrogant to think that’s going to stop just because you’re here now.

My grandad sat around complaining that the blacks just weren’t the same as whites…
Your granddad might have been one of those who complained that women just didn’t know their place anymore…
Now, some of you are complaining about the gays…

And someday, it may be ME who’s complaining about something or someone…about how society is just falling apart…
EVERY generation has done it. But again, we’d have to be crazy to think that society or culture is ever going to stop changing and morphing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

Don’t you mean devolving?

Anonymous

That’s how it will look from your angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

So you’re saying an increase in murders rapes steeling and bigotry is a good thing. Not even the Wild West was as bloody as the major cities today in this country but I guess to atheist like you the more people act like a blood thirsty apes the better a country is.

Anonymous

As we’ve discussed before, the more atheist countries have far less violence. For instance, Finland, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc have far less murder than America. It is America that made school shootings, serial killers, and mass murders a common thing.

That aside, murder is actually down for American cities. For example, we make a big deal out of Chicago’s murders, but they saw far more murders back in the 70’s and 80’s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago
The same is true for NY, LA, etc.

And the Wild West days WERE far more violent. Per capita, certainly. Especially for the native americans and later for the african americans. Were those the good ole days, studpuppy? The era of genocide and slavery? Because America was far more religious back then…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

But ignore China Russia and every other country that had an atheist ruler that killed millions under their rule and ignore the fact that the countries you did talked about is turning away Christians and Jews from the Middle East back to their deaths because those countries feel the religious persecution is not a big deal. In fact on atheist judge ask the family why not just convert. So yah I call bull on so called peaceful and tolerant atheist countries. Tell me why do you think 57 dead in Chicago in one day is less violent than the Wild West. I am willing to bet more people died in Chicago in the past 10 years than the entire history of the Wild West and that is including the Indian wars. We never killed millions like you atheist even counting all the way back to the crusades we can never kill as many people as you atheist did for far less.

Anonymous

“Tell me why do you think 57 dead in Chicago in one day…”
Provide a link that affirms that 57 people were killed in Chicago in one day.

“…turning away Christians and Jews from the Middle East back to their deaths because those countries feel the religious persecution is not a big deal.”Just as in WW2 when we refused entries to Jews fleeing the Nazi’s. And I know that’s probably something you’ve never heard about, so here’s the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis”

I am willing to bet more people died in Chicago in the past 10 years than the entire history of the Wild West and that is including the Indian wars. We never killed millions like you atheist even counting all the way back to the crusades we can never kill as many people as you atheist did for far less.”

Wow. That is depressingly ignorant on several levels. Firstly, the Indian Wars killed AT LEAST half a million people. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Native_Americans_were_killed_by_the_US_government

Secondly, the Crusades DID kill millions. Though it’s impossible to gauge how many since there were numerous crusades. But we know that the first four crusades were estimated to have killed five million, than another million in the Albigensian Crusade…Then there were thousands of so called “witches” killed… and Jews…

Lastly, those murders in Chicago…how many of those are being committed by guys who would identify as Christians and how many are being committed by so called atheists? We don’t know, do we?

But that aside, I don’t deny that atheists have killed. . I merely said that Christianity is not a cure for violence and that some of the most violent times in this countries has comes at times when we were the most religious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

Ok then 20 years of Chicago.

Anonymous

Too much chocking on dick come up for some air freak before your feast sick – O
Dust bin right where daddy used to put it : ouch butt do sonny again pa pa .

Anonymous

You’re embarrassing yourself.
Do you think Mr. Beck wants to see this sort of language on his site? Do you think other christians want to see this type of rhetoric? Are you a grown man or a fourteen year old child? In one breath you talk about “God”, but in the next breath you talk like this. How do you think that makes you and other Christians look?

I suspect you could be drunk or senile, but if neither is the case then try and show a little class.

End of discussion.

fire lion

not as bloody? trail of tears? christian genocide of whole cultures for thousands of years? 100 years war ? catholic spanish genocide of a whole culture?

What increase in murders or rapes? Major cities have violence but not wholesale slaughter and the incredible corruption of your “wild west”

The reason they didnt kill each other more back in the good ol days is because the population was low and sparse.

Blood thirsty apes? lol look at the whole christian history nothing but blood, hate, and war.

Guest

What a load of crap. More people have been slaughtered by Atheists. Hundreds of millions of blacks were killed by Muslims. The slave trade is still live and well with the Muslims.

The Hipsters, the REAL foundation of today’s Left, had no idea that any gay people would want to even be in a marriage someday. It wasn’t advocated for until the Alinksyite LGBT leaders were able to dupe America into believing that sexual deviance is mainstream. They’ve succeeded in doing so by the way.

fire lion

Are you serious? Gay people been wanting marriage since before the bible was written.

Anonymous

that is not so. You need to read the old testament. That is one reason why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire. How would you know anyway with no record. The Bible is the only living word from that time until now to give us direction and how we should live our lives.

Anonymous

Correction, gay people have been wanting to fuck each other since before the Bible was written. They sought legitimacy for their perversions through marriage in recent times.

Anonymous

I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to be liberal or tolerant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

No you just a dick pure and simple. See I was once an atheist but never in my life did I act like you. I had more respect of other beliefs and faiths back them even if I thought it was all fairy tales back then. Your idiot disrespectful type atheism just shows other people you have to be a dick to be an atheist and really you just chase more people from your cause. You say we are going the way of the dust bin but yet more people believe in a God in this country than there has been atheist in the history of man. And in most countries Christianity is actually making a comeback so it is atheism that is dying and people like you are the root cause of it. Have fun taking down the atheist movement with your rude comments and bigotry you just chase more to our side.

Anonymous

Oh, our little christian gamer is fired up today. lol! Even using profanity–I’ve never seen that before!
I’m impressed.

And a Christianity comeback? Hmmm…that could be interesting. To see what form it takes this time…
Though maybe we shouldn’t use the term “comeback.” Makes it sound like a band reuniting after being away for years. Call it a “revival.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

It just ignorant fools that just bring the worst out of me. I know atheist that I have more respect for because unlike you they really respect other people’s beliefs.

Anonymous

“It just ignorant fools that just bring the worst out of me.”

That’ll change as you get older. A sure sign of maturity is when you stop granting so much significance to those that annoy you.

Anonymous

A sure sign of maturity is to stop pissing people off just for the sake of amusing yourself.

Anonymous

I can’t piss you off. I can only say things, how you react or respond is totally out of my hands.
Either way, it’s time for me to go. So you guys can commence without me. Gather in a circle… hold hands.. pray… thank your god that the evil man has gone away…

Anonymous

The piece of shit has left woohoo!

Anonymous

I can’t piss you off. I can only say things, how you react or respond is totally out of my hands.
Either way, it’s time for me to go. So you guys can commence without me. Gather in a circle… hold hands.. pray… thank your god that the evil man has gone away…

And this: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-13/national/35491519_1_new-atheism-atheist-groups-new-atheists

But I’m sure you’d prefer not to believe those. And I’m sure that if we googled “Christianity on the Rise” we could find “facts” to back that up as well.

So I just go by what I see in the real world. And what I see is Christianity being corralled and marginalized. I’m sure you see the opposite.

In the end, time will tell which of us had the most accurate assessment.

Anonymous

Then as it was then it will be YOU know the coarse may change sometimes but rivers always reach the sea.
Better be a good swimmer and a fat head will only keep YOU afloat for a very short time tough one GOD BLESS edmcfoohey

Anonymous

My take on marriage is that it is not a right. The constitution does not give marriage as a right to either gay or straight couples. The federal govt does NOT and should not be in the marriage business. If a gay couple goes to church and they will marry them then so be it. And if a gay couple goes to a different church and they say no that should be okay. Coercing one religious belief over another is TROUBLE! Do I have a belief in this? Yes. But it has no more relevance that any other American citizen! The executive branch of the GOVT should be the President of all people. This is not the United States of Gay people, or the United State of Christian people.

Anonymous

Thank you! If it were out of the state’s hands, the argument would cease! However, the government has humanity’s best interest at heart when it promotes family over perversity.

Kanak Attack

Exactly. The day that we federalized marriage was the day we gave immorality immense power. Had we never allowed the government to get involved there would be no public soap box for the LGBT community to stand on.

Anonymous

I can remember when about 30 years ago two men having sex or even with young men would have been against the law it was called (Sodomy). That was never heard of when I was growing up. It is not because they were born that way, it is a life choice. God does not make mistakes. I sure would hate to meet my maker and try to explain why I married a woman. That is just plain sick. God created man and then a woman for a help mate, then to populate the earth. With all the abortions and men marrying men and women the same, we will be the last generation. Our growth will be 0.

Anonymous

I hold the act of a man cheating on his wife to the same contempt that I hold a man having sex with another man. The bottom line is, God, who created us and therefore has the right to tell us what to do, said, “Pick one member of the opposite sex and have sex with them for your whole life. If they die before you, you can pick another and I hold you to the same promise as before.” I don’t understand why it’s so hard to be faithful to HIS understanding of marriage, when HE was faithful to us in every matter throughout time despite the fact that we constantly sin and besmirch his message.

fire lion

what is the point of existing if you are a slave?
If non existing is no better than bliss with god why create us?

fire lion

A omnipotent being that needs women to populate the earth when he can just wave his hands and do it himself. Life choice ? wait oh didnt your sky god give us that thing ….. what was it called it….. oh free will!

So its a life choice and normal people have instincts to like the opposite sex. How ironic Christians tell us to ignore instincts to kill and pleasure ourselves but we must follow the natural instinct of heterosexuality?

It seems only a small percentage of people are gay. So how would this stop the overpopulation of the earth?

Women a help mate lol

Anonymous

The further we fall we only fall further from him .
Choice doesn’t mean it’s right by God Almighty.

ken.

government should never have been allowed to take control and steal marriage away from religion. doing so has destroyed religious rights. now that marriage belongs to government it is now subject to equality under the constitution.

Anonymous

Since the 50s, the Supreme Court has extended the reach of the Equal Protection Clause under the 14th Amendment to historically disadvantaged groups other than race, like women. In the Prop 8 case, the Supreme Court invoked the 14th Amendment as protecting gay and lesbian marriage under the due process clause. Even though proponents were found unqualified to defend Prop 8, the precedent has been set. DOMA was overturned invoking the 5th Amendment.
The Court was correct in ruling that Prop 8 proponents were not eligible to defend the case since they were not harmed by gays marrying. Christians and Muslims are not threatened by gay marriage because these decisions do not limit their freedom to marry as their religion teaches. Homosexuals have equal right to live freely.