Siddy, let’s do some trolling. I find Nole's celebrations after a big win puke worthy? Do you? I want to like him but that stands in the way. If he doesn't do it anymore then I will probably like him but I am not holding my breath here.

Having said that, if both Nole and Nadal meet at RG, I'd like Nadal to rip Nole apart just like Nole rips his shirt off after a victory.

You need IQ larger than your shoe size to do that.

And if your IQ was any better, you would have responded with something more solid than this. Let's say something that actually requires some thoughts.

If your IQ was any better you wouldn't foam at the mouth about Andy winning RG.How about winning Wimbledon first?He's better on grass than on clay right?After all he's supposed to be a better grass player than No1e.Also he is Wimbledon champion and No1e is not, oh wait...

Either your reading comprehension is heavily compromised or you are deliberately dumb. Take your pick. For the umpteenth times, no one here is saying that Andy would win RG but that he believes he has a chance and some of us agree. Maybe not this year but in the future it may open up for him. If your brain fails to grasp this simple discussion, then you might as well step back while you are ahead. This MTF style isn't working.

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Siddy, let’s do some trolling. I find Nole's celebrations after a big win puke worthy? Do you? I want to like him but that stands in the way. If he doesn't do it anymore then I will probably like him but I am not holding my breath here.

Having said that, if both Nole and Nadal meet at RG, I'd like Nadal to rip Nole apart just like Nole rips his shirt off after a victory.

You need IQ larger than your shoe size to do that.

And if your IQ was any better, you would have responded with something more solid than this. Let's say something that actually requires some thoughts.

If your IQ was any better you wouldn't foam at the mouth about Andy winning RG.How about winning Wimbledon first?He's better on grass than on clay right?After all he's supposed to be a better grass player than No1e.Also he is Wimbledon champion and No1e is not, oh wait...

Either your reading comprehension is heavily compromised or you are deliberately dumb. Take your pick. For the umpteenth times, no one here is saying that Andy would win RG but that he believes he has a chance and some of us agree. Maybe not this year but in the future it may open up for him. If your brain fails to grasp this simple discussion, then you might as well step back while you are ahead. This MTF style isn't working.

MTF style?You mean like bold parts in your post?When you have no arguments, insult.Now, I'm sure where is the root of your anger and aggression.Still, chin up, there's always hope.

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Siddy, let’s do some trolling. I find Nole's celebrations after a big win puke worthy? Do you? I want to like him but that stands in the way. If he doesn't do it anymore then I will probably like him but I am not holding my breath here.

Having said that, if both Nole and Nadal meet at RG, I'd like Nadal to rip Nole apart just like Nole rips his shirt off after a victory.

You need IQ larger than your shoe size to do that.

And if your IQ was any better, you would have responded with something more solid than this. Let's say something that actually requires some thoughts.

If your IQ was any better you wouldn't foam at the mouth about Andy winning RG.How about winning Wimbledon first?He's better on grass than on clay right?After all he's supposed to be a better grass player than No1e.Also he is Wimbledon champion and No1e is not, oh wait...

Either your reading comprehension is heavily compromised or you are deliberately dumb. Take your pick. For the umpteenth times, no one here is saying that Andy would win RG but that he believes he has a chance and some of us agree. Maybe not this year but in the future it may open up for him. If your brain fails to grasp this simple discussion, then you might as well step back while you are ahead. This MTF style isn't working.

MTF style?You mean like bold parts in your post?When you have no arguments, insult.Now, I'm sure where is the root of your anger and aggression.Still, chin up, there's always hope.

Insult? lol. I guess I was the one who brought the IQ issue up, eh? I guess your street goes only one way. But I'll take Siddy's advice and let you roam free.

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see, there are people who are smart and there are some people who pretend to be smart. Run, Emma Run ... you are being silly again ... go do your nails, it will make you feel better. tennis is not for everyone . Nick owns you in this debate btw.

You said you just 'can't see Andy winning RG'. That's your educated guess at best. In reality, you have absolutely no clue whether Andy will win RG or not. Rest assured, if he dose go on to win it in the near future I am sure you won't be here to own it. That's why I said, unless you are the ruler of the Universe and you know something we don't, your argument doesn't hold any water. Never say never.

This thread is about Andy stating that he has a chance... a shot at RG. Neither he or I are saying anything otherwise. Everything else was imposed by other people and it became off topic a long time ago. If Andy wins RG, that will be great, if not, no harm will be done.

Btw, it's not intelligent at all to compare Andy who's only peaking to those who are now passing their prime. Andy has still a solid 5 years left in him and a lot can happen in this timeframe.

OK, we're done. I gave you a fair chance but you are simply not interesting to discuss with. "That's your educated guess at best"? Of course it is my educated guess! What did you think it was? Nowhere in my post did I give absolute statements. I leave those to you, who claim to be sure about my future actions while at the same time claiming noone knows what happens in Murrays future.

Emma... Sure Andy has a chance to win RG - it is not impossible for Andy to win RG. But due to the fact that he hasn't done anything on clay and EVEN if I buy into your tanking MS and minor tournaments arguemnt, it still doesn't hold water. How can you presume Andy will win RG if doesn't even has a title on clay. Sure it's a good surface for him but not the greatest. We can all agree that if Nadal is fit, nobody, including Djokovic can take it to him, he is just a monster on the surface. And let's suppose Nadal is not 100% fit, then Djokovic is a better clay courter than Andy. With today's actions, I can even say that Federer can have a better chance than Murray, due to the style of play, there is no great counter punchers on clay, since the ball is too slow on RG, hence Roger can definitely go around all the passive/counter punching Andy has done lately that has given Fed lots of trouble. His serve wouldn't even be as effective as it is on hard courts and Andy relies too much on his first serve since his 2nd serve is too slow atm. Sure he has a shot at RG but it is safe to say that Nole, Nadal and even Federer have a better shot at winning RG than Murray, at least for the time being. So, even though Murray has a shot it is a slim one at that at the moment. At least that is the way I see it right now.

As for the dispute you have going between Litotes and Alex, well, that's all up to the 3 of you but I haven't seen Litotes state something as "rule" or as something he "knows" will happen in the future, he is just stating what he sees and why Murray doesn't stand a chance at RG, nothing more, which I don't agree 100% but he has some points worth discussing and valid points at that.

To say that Murray has a "legitimate" shot at winning RG is just hopeful thinking RIGHT NOW. Numbers aren't in his favor and he hasn't done a lot to make every tennis fan think otherwise, especially on clay. I said it before, if he were to say he has a legitimate chance at Wimbledon, then this discussion wouldn't even be taking place, since I do believe he has a very good shot at Wimbledon, but RG? I just don't see it and don't think will happen. But I have been known to be mistaken in the past and if I am proven wrong then it's all the best for the sport, and I will gladly acknowledge my "lack" of "vision" onto this one, but first I have to be proven wrong! And I wouldn't like that!

Do you think all the top 3 (Federer, Djokovic and Murray) are getting ready for RG for one main reason?? Don't you think it is safe to say RIGHT NOW that all of them are working their azzes off to get to RG prepared and ready to take on the challenge now that most likely the main rival won't be fit or 100% fit to defend his title? Can Murray's statement be applied the other two's? Maybe Murray is ready to take an assault on RG because he knows (and obviously Djokovic and Federer too) that this year is possible the best year to try and win it now that Nadal won't be fully prepared for it? They don't know if Nadal's career is coming to an end or if next year Nadal will be back at full strenght and ready to take as many GSs as he can. So, potentially, this year is the best year any of the three can win RG (in Fed's case take a 2nd. RG title) and take advantage of Nadal's unfortunate issues?

I was thinking about this, and I actually kept thinking why did Andy said and specifically named RG as his next target and why not hiw home title Wimbledon. Winning the Olympics is great and all, but it's not wimbledon, this should be even more important than RG. So, the only reason I think off Murray saying this, has to be that all of them know Nadal won't be fully fit or prepared to defend his title as easy as he would want to, so probably all of them are targeting RG, god knows if they will ever get a chance in case Nadal decides to stick around for the next 5 years and at least get the next 3 before another clay court specialist take the title from him...

This is just assumptions, but then again, that could be... And if it is, then Djokovic obviously knows this is the best year to target RG to take it "easier" than with Nadal at the finals. Either way, it will be interesting to see the pre-tournaments and see how they are going...

OK, we're done. I gave you a fair chance but you are simply not interesting to discuss with. "That's your educated guess at best"? Of course it is my educated guess! What did you think it was? Nowhere in my post did I give absolute statements. I leave those to you, who claim to be sure about my future actions while at the same time claiming noone knows what happens in Murrays future.

Your educated guess is based on the past and if I had said the same back in 2008 that 'Federer has no chance winning RG as long as Nadal is around. I just can't see it happening', I'd be correct because that too would be based on the past (this is a very left brain scenario btw which doesn’t take any extraordinary element into account – nor does it keep track of individual mental aspect of things – both essential IMO when you try to predict the futre). But we often see that is not the case. Not even half the times the future depends on the past. Take a good look at the past 5 years GS results and you will notice the different scenarios and results. There was no indication of Soderling taking Nadal out in 2009 from RG. Or Rosol for that matter from 2012 Wimbledon and in both cases we see Federer winning both Slams. These are unpredictable scenarios. Uncertainty factor if you will. But even if I were to guess the future, which I could very well do so judging by everyone’s position right now, I could say that things are more likely to open up for Andy at RG. Yes, Andy said he has a chance at this RG but he’ll say that going forward as well ..next year or the year after and so on. So this is more like a general statement. Whether he will win RG this year or not remains to be seen because of these unpredictable natures of things.

I remember in the Matrix movie where the main protagonist had trouble initially accepting himself as Neo, but as he went along under different circumstances, the belief kicked in at some point and that was also when he started to believe he’s Neo. And everything changed from that point on. If Andy believes he can win RG at some point then all the other elements will fall into his place. That’s why as opposed to your ‘I can see it happening’, I see it happening. When – that I have no idea but it has a very good chance of happening given and considering all the circumstances. You are entitled to your opinion but if I say that there's a chance that this might happen in the near future, then neither Andy or I should be laughed at.

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Mav, Andy already has said not to expect too much from Nadal come RG but he might be underestimating Nadal there. When Nadal came back in 2009 after Wimbledon, he was beaten by Del Potro and Murray at the US and Australian Open, but those were played hard surfaces so that's understandable. However, this time around, Nadal is already playing small tournaments so he’ll get the all the practice he needs and when RG rolls around, he’ll be ready. So of course, we need to take all these into account. I don’t think the danger is even there. The main danger for all will be earlier rounds which will vastly depend on the draws. 4th rounds and QTR finals will be crucial for all. Some may face much tougher road and that will lower their chances significantly. So there are still a lot of unknown elements to factor in and no one’s a sure bet at this point - not even Nadal.

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Federer has recently said that he’d like to go for the Olympics in 2016 which should be the far-fetched idea so far. For one, he’ll be another 4 years older; second, the competition will only get tougher. We can laugh at him of course but if you ask him, I am sure you’d find him very serious about it. He actually believes he has a shot. So ultimately it’s up to the player to make a difference. Murray, for instance, has won all the titles on his own. He was the out there playing tennis and making a difference. We had no way of knowing what he was capable of. He is the one who put it all out there. So this all comes down to the player himself and not us, because you won’t be out there playing RG to win it; it will be ultimately the player who will make the difference and if he or she doesn’t believe in it first, it’s never going to happen for them no matter how much you expect from them. So obviously, I take Murray’s statement far more seriously (or Federer for that matter) over those posters, who have yet to play competitive tennis on a very highly level.

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Emma is bringing her fantasy world again. Neo and belief, like really . It has nothing to do with his belief, it's that he is not that good on clay. A said it, and I'll say it again: Murray never won a clay tournament, hes never even played in the final of any clay tournament. Murray is not comfortable on clay, he said that himself. Murray underestimating Nadal is plain stupid. Ferrer, Tsonga, DP and Berdych can dismiss Murray on clay easily.

Mav, Andy already has said not to expect too much from Nadal come RG but he might be underestimating Nadal there. When Nadal came back in 2009 after Wimbledon, he was beaten by Del Potro and Murray at the US and Australian Open, but those were played hard surfaces so that's understandable. However, this time around, Nadal is already playing small tournaments so hell get the all the practice he needs and when RG rolls around, hell be ready. So of course, we need to take all these into account. I dont think the danger is even there. The main danger for all will be earlier rounds which will vastly depend on the draws. 4th rounds and QTR finals will be crucial for all. Some may face much tougher road and that will lower their chances significantly. So there are still a lot of unknown elements to factor in and no ones a sure bet at this point - not even Nadal.

Yeah, I do agree but taken into consideration that Nadal has been out for more than seven months, that his knee is still hurting (Nadal's own words), I am still wondering if the other three are subcontiously thinking their chances at winning RG have increased?? I would.... LOOL

Andy has the capability to win at RG, a good draw could open the doors for him. Can't assume Nadal will be Nadal ever again so as far as I'm concern, the French Open is an open field between the top four and perhaps a big hitter like Delpo.

I always thought this match was interesting because Murray for most part of it was dominating many exchanges; of course Rafa did his thing during pressure situations and given his higher margin for error; the outcome of the match.

Obviously, Murray's forehand has improved considerably since Ivan took over and his mental disposition has to be in the up swing by pocketing a Slam. He will never be the favorite over Novak for example on clay.......be he can beat him any given day.

I thought he should have won that match; Novak in 2011 could not be denied. Anyways, he is not the favorite by a long stretch but in tennis; ABILITY and BELIEVE it's what count and certainly Murray posses both qualities in SPADES.