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Orcas Beta 1 has
shipped!!! Who better to tell us all about VS Orcas and related technologies than our good friend
Soma, VP of the developer division (that's the group that makes all of our development tools and programming languages). Orcas Beta 1 is a major milestone for the next version of VS and related technologies.

Install Orcas (on Vista, baby!) and experience firsthand the plethora of innovations it contains. Did you know you can write VS 2005 applications in Orcas? Did you you know that LINQ is deeply integrated into the Orcas IDE? Did you know that there is now JScript
intellisense? Have you played with Cider (design surface for WPF)? Did you know...

As always, your feedback is critical. Soma and team anxiously await learning about your experiences with Orcas.

What about creating a Windows Installer project? Is it still treated as the (I need to watch my language) stephchild or are there actually improvements made (integration with Wix) and can we make patches?

I hope they don't spread themselves so thin on enhancing the big IT shop offerings that they forget the small shops. As a contractor I have worked in both. VS2005 just seemed like the IDE has more little quirky issues then VS2003. Was that because they took
dev's off to do team stuff? Was it because it added to many other tasked that they could focus on all of them? I hope the new testing and project integration stuff doesn't leave the core IDE to more quirkyness. For example with SP1 for VS2005 did any one
else have the icons in the tool tab freak. It happened on both my home and work computers right after I installed SP1. There are plenty more little things, I hope microsoft doesn't forget quality first before functionality.

another note though this is for MSlearning team PREPARE THE BOOKS AND STUDYING MATERIALS FROM NOW!!!!! i just got the 070-549 SPTK from amazon a few days ago!! and here is orcas coming while the material for whidbey is just shipping!! ( the book itself
was out on 28th march and was delayed to ship until 6th april )

first prediction for 2007 came true I see the future and again my 2008 too that orcas will ship in 2008

Edit:

These downloads are currently unavailable on Microsoft Downloads, but will be available soon. MSDN Subscribers can download these files from
MSDN Subscriber Downloads. what's the purpose of beta testing in the first place?!

The delay in posting the bits on Microsoft Downloads is not part of a nefarious plan. On MSDN Subscriber Downloads, we can post a single file containing the ISO image rather easily. To post that download on Microsoft Downloads, we have to split it into
a multi-volume self-extracting file, reverse the process and ensure the self-extraction works correctly, publish these files through a system that is optimized for much smaller download files, and then we usually download the files ourselves and test them
again for integrity. We're commited to have these downloads up on Microsoft Downloads ASAP.

Great Video! Are there any enhancements to Smart Clients / Click Once? One of the things I wish gets added is forms based authentication for click once apps i.e. if I launch a click once app from an already authenticated ASP.NET page, it should work fine,
else should give an appropriate error.

Thanks,Vaibhav

BlackTigerIf you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.

﻿I am not able to create WPF projects (application and web based) using Visual C# express 9.0. It simply says that the project type is not supported

My heart sank yesterday when I tried this with the Visual C# Codename "Orcas" Express Edition CTP, and I determined that It would just a matter of time before another user encountered the error. the steps are,

anand.t wrote:﻿I am not able to create WPF projects (application and web based) using Visual C# express 9.0. It simply says that the project type is not supported

My heart sank yesterday when I tried this with the Visual C# Codename "Orcas" Express Edition CTP, and I determined that It would just a matter of time before another user encountered the error. the steps are,

I know this is just the Express CTP but if the problem is prevalent and pervades
the full Orcas beta 1, please save me the time and effort and advise this thread!

VWD Express "Orcas" appears fine though with the new WCFService and Expression Web editing tools. Best of all changing between design-split-code views is brisk!

I resolved to install this on my day-to-day XP machine and both problem above are now unprevalent. The only installation difference is that I've got Visual Studio, C# express and VWD express with SQL advanced SQL server express and .NET frameworks 2 and 3.
The first install on my other pc had none of this software I've just mentioned.

Anyhow don't fancy wasting my weekend faffing about with a long uninstallation and yet another huge download, but there's an installation gremlin that needs to be found out!

BlackTigerIf you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.

﻿Beta1 means - "it almost finished and 80% of features works well without significant issues".

Means it is not ready yet. You don't even get a "go life" license, which means you can't use it for deployment. Beta has meant once something, before all this web 2.0 beta crap. - sorry to say that - but everything is beta in web 2.0

Interesting video. I've seen a demo of Visual Studio 'Orcas' by Scott Guthrie, and I was impressed by the better designer, and the new LINQ-functionality. I hope their will be an ongoing engagement to improve the designer in future versions, because designing
a nice web interface is still somewhat a hassle in Visual Studio, and not every firm has the luxury of having a designer team at their service.

﻿Interesting video. I've seen a demo of Visual Studio 'Orcas' by Scott Guthrie, and I was impressed by the better designer, and the new LINQ-functionality. I hope their will be an ongoing engagement to improve the designer in future versions, because designing
a nice web interface is still somewhat a hassle in Visual Studio, and not every firm has the luxury of having a designer team at their service.

In that demo (I'm sure theres only the one Linq/Orcas vid)I'm sure he shows the new Expression Web features being added to Orcas. You have a new CSS designer that was in Expression Web that adds a lot of tools to ease the design process. What would be great
was if there was a utility that updated all your <div> tags with layers which is what Expression Web is all about. Re-editing an existing web template is a bit of a pain, unless theres a setting i've missed.

I worked already a bit with Expression Web, and it's an intuitive css designer indeed. Something I do miss a lot in Visual Studio 2005, is Intellisense for your style definitions, so that if you add a style-class to an html element, you don't have to look
up every time your style classes in the css-stylesheet. This is a feature that is already for a long time available in other html-designers (ie DreamWeaver), but luckily it's now alsow available in Expression Web.

Concerning the Orcas demo, I saw Guthrie demonstrate Orcas live in Belgium (Mechelen).

Soma's enthusiasm made the interview quite enjoyable. It is good to have a separate beta for the express editions. Although there are some bugs, my experience so far has been pretty good. It is good to have the WPF visual designer and it looks like WF
designer is also included. However, the situation with the Entity Framework is unclear. The samples can be compiled with the express edition and they seem to work. But the documentation and the command line tool needed to generate the framework files (edmGen.exe)
are not included.

Is the plan to restrict the EDM support to the professional versions of Visual Studio? I can see the argument for doing that and I expect I would be quite satisified playing with SqlMetal.exe and linq to SQL. On the other hand, I suspect that it is to Microsoft's
advantage to try to make the entity framework the standard API for data driven applications as quickly as possible. In any case, there needs to be clarity about what is in what edition and what is not.

Are we going to be able to work with VS2003 projects without converting them at a later date or was the line about "Did you know you can write VS2003/2005 applications in Orcas?" just a mistake?

VS2005 and Orcas are much better tools, but my company has some large projects that were started before 2.0 shipped and moving them to 2.0 isn't feasable. I was really excited when I saw that Orcas was supposed to be able to compile to 1.1 apps, but my bubble
was burst after installing the beta. (Which only finally showed up on my subscriber downloads last night)

Please let us know if compiling to 1.1 will be an option. I am sure I am not alone on this.

Are we going to be able to work with VS2003 projects without converting them at a later date or was the line about "Did you know you can write VS2003/2005 applications in Orcas?" just a mistake?

VS2005 and Orcas are much better tools, but my company has some large projects that were started before 2.0 shipped and moving them to 2.0 isn't feasable. I was really excited when I saw that Orcas was supposed to be able to compile to 1.1 apps, but my bubble
was burst after installing the beta. (Which only finally showed up on my subscriber downloads last night)

Please let us know if compiling to 1.1 will be an option. I am sure I am not alone on this.

We now have patches available for some of the problems folks are having with creating WPF applications and WPF browser applications using the April CTP of VB Express and VC# Express (this is the "beta 1"-era release of Express). You can check out

Hi Soma -I glad to know someone who is informed. Can you direct me to where I can help on my problem below.

A visual studio Just-In-Time Debugger message ( An unhandled win32 exception failed. No installed debugger has Just in time enabled) pops up whenever I attempt to launch any program on my computer. I am running windows 2k server. Can I make a change to
registry or is their a quick fix out to address this problem?

Thanks[C]

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