I have never been to GL where all resoultions were done on Friday and the only thing to take care of Sat was GM Recommendations and Elections.
MWGM Griffin runs a tight ship and will be missed, but I know he is glad his year is concluding

I can see both sides of the spectrum, especially for the small rural lodges that may have only 10 actives, but if youre gonna have a ritual that separates you from other organizations, you really should know it, otherwise what are you therefor? and the only way of proving that you know it is with a cert. if you can learn the ea esoteric to be a mason, then you can learn how to open and close a lodge. if you really want it, then you can do it.

This is all true.... What I'm concerned about is these small rural lodges that only have a few people who are active..... Most of those guys are up in their 70's & 80's.... If they have to go get certified just to open & close a lodge then I've got a strong feeling that most of the rural lodges will be demising.

I had a long talk with two DI’s and like the Q&A in the three degrees the Lodge must be satisfied, will the DI can also be satisfied if the Brother is trying to do the work and the Lodge is short handed, who can fault the lodge?

That's absolutely true..... They don't have a clue on what to do..... That's exactly why PGM Harrison voiced opposition against it being passed.
And I must say from what I saw the vote was very close.... I think it should have been balloted on to see what the exact vote really was.

I will be honest, I was surprised when I saw this recommendation. I am currently serving at JW in my Blue Lodge and before I could be elected I had to sit down with our DI and open/close MM, FC, EA and Lodge of Sorrow plus be able to give the Tiler's Oath. I just thought everyone did this. To me part of the.....umm, I don't know how to put it in to words.. dang it! The ritual part of opening/closing are just as important as the degrees...

I will be honest, I was surprised when I saw this recommendation. I am currently serving at JW in my Blue Lodge and before I could be elected I had to sit down with our DI and open/close MM, FC, EA and Lodge of Sorrow plus be able to give the Tiler's Oath. I just thought everyone did this. To me part of the.....umm, I don't know how to put it in to words.. dang it! The ritual part of opening/closing are just as important as the degrees...

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I agree 100% with you on that..... But, can we really afford to have these rural lodges demise because of this new law change? I really hope they know what has been done.

When I was told I had to get "certified". I was really freaked out and thought there is NO way I am going to get this done in time. But its really nothing. If you can close an EA, then you can close anything. I think it sounds more intimidating that it actually is. Of course, I would hope that no lodge suffers because of this change. I left before they tiled for t the 2nd vote for GJW...who was elected?

Prop 2 didnt require the master to get a certification, just that he has to be able to open and close the lodge. Splitting hairs maybe but there is a difference between a Class A, B, and C cert and being able to open and close the lodges. As MWGM Griffin said at his conference this year, he is a big ritualist but he misses words. The expectation isnt to be perfect, but to at least TRY to get it down.

I agree with Wyndell, I don't think you have to have a C certificate, just be able to open and close all 4 Lodges. Whether the DI will be hard nosed is another question. Most of us strive for perfection, very few achieve it.

this has nothing to do with making lodge officers better.. ! it has everything to do with the power of the committee on work and the district instructors.. ! when Rite Worshipful Tommy spoke about it, he was just trying to help.. ! BUT read the proposal.. its about control.. nothing more nothing less.. ! This is bad masonic law.. and a lot of brothern bought into the good old boy just try to help speach.. ? just don't understand this one..?

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