@thestrangest I knew what I was saying in the beginning. I didn't needed to reaseach about the suicidal rates nor the condition of mars.

I meant a debate on stem cell research

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

@thestrangest and if you didn't knew about it completely, why bring that up?
You were the one to bring that topic up. I didn't know much about it. What? Should I have accepted what you said, instead of doing my research to find if you are wrong? Are you suggesting that?

@thestrangest and if you didn't knew about it completely, why bring that up?

Because i know that stem cell research was hugely held back by religion as i read that in books previous to this debate but didn't know the details of the whole story

You were the one to bring that topic up. I didn't know much about it. What? Should I have accepted what you said

I thought that everyone knew about it. It is a very well known thing from what i remember. I still think it is a very known topic atleast in the US. I forgot where you're from

instead of doing my research to find if you are wrong? Are you suggesting that?

You should have done research without asking me to explain stuff to you. The videos were plenty for you to start. I seriously thought you were pretending not to know about stem cell research being held back by religion

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

@thestrangest That thing was finished a long ago. I showed that although Religion actively opposed the research, they were not responsible for that ban, which was the prime example you cited.

THEY WERE. That's what I'm still saying

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

@thestrangest and I asked you to show a evidence proving that instead of some video about a scientist explaining the ideology behind the religious people involved in the ban and not explain why religion was the primary reason behind the ban.
You made the statement and you have the burden of proof.

@thestrangest and I asked you to show a evidence proving that instead of some video about a scientist explaining the ideology behind the religious people involved in the ban and not explain why religion was the primary reason behind the ban.

George Bush was religious. The only/most used arguments against the research are religious. G. Bush took the side of the religious people on the 2 questions he wanted to answer to make the ban which is that embryos are human life whilst atheists and scientists even back then said that they were not. Do I have to continue or recite the info I already gave about this

You made the statement and you have the burden of proof.

I already provided proof

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

@thestrangest Ah... again are we. First I asked a proper evidence. Like something that has some credibility like an article or something not some speculations from your side. I presented one that in his speech he just included religion as one of the reason and for the reminder he said things that were in the favor of "Ethicist" who are not the same as religious people. Although the statements of "Ethicist" were similar to religious people, they are not one and the same. I need you to provide something that can explicitly prove this wrong, can you?

Which I didn't want to re-recite but instead referenced and asked if I really need to re-recite them

Like something that has some credibility like an article or something not some speculations from your side.

Sure I'll reproved them

I presented one that in his speech he just included religion as one of the reason and for the reminder he said things that were in the favor of "Ethicist" who are not the same as religious people.

Same shit. He means the ethical question of weather an embryo is human life or not which has a religious answer that is anti-research

Although the statements of "Ethicist" were similar to religious people

THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS

they are not one and the same.

They are

I need you to provide something that can explicitly prove this wrong, can you?

I hope what I wrote here is enough.

George Bush says in his speech:

"The speech began with a description of stem cell research and the debate surrounding it. It pointed to ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate; and noted that there is disagreement even between people sharing the same faith. Bush described the current state of stem cell research by identifying the source of embryos preferred by scientists, namely excess embryos left over after couples attempt in vitro fertilization (IVF). Some of these extra embryos are frozen, he said, some implanted in mothers, and some donated to science for research."
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"In considering these ethical concerns, Bush continued, two key ethical questions must be addressed. First, do embryos qualify as human life, and second, if embryos are going to be destroyed anyway why shouldn’t they be used for the greater good?"
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NOT FROM THE ARTICLE ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND HIS SPEACH : Sam Harris wrote a book published in 2004. 3 years after the G. Bush speech and explains in chapter 7.1 as he did in the video how religious people consider an embryo to be a form of human life or at least be sacred and that atheists and scientists of course did not at the time (he was writing this in 2003 which is close enough to the George B. Signing and therefore explains the views of both sides in that time)

"Regarding the first question, he said, one scientist had told him that a five-day-old cluster is not even a real embryo, but is actually a pre-embryo, not deserving to be called life because it cannot develop on its own. On the other hand, an ethicist with whom Bush had spoken argued that because all human life has humble beginnings, embryos deserve protection as what the ethicist referred to as the seeds of the next generation."
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"It is important to note that the desire to protect human life as cited by Bush would not be an issue if some did not think embryos qualify as a type of human life."
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"These statements were intended, however, to show comprehension of the ramifications of restricting federal funding for research on embryos, not support for funding research on human embryos. Here Bush finally stated his belief that life is a “sacred gift from our Creator,” and that he feels compelled to promote protection of and respect for life. Not wanting to completely eliminate potential benefits that could arise from research, he enjoined scientists to proceed with caution. He then outlined a compromise intended to allow for scientific advances without sponsoring the crossing of ethical lines with tax dollars."

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)

ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate

Again, I talked about this. Religion is shown to be one of the reason. And the rest of the ethical reasons and there's no mention about whether that ethics are influenced by the religion or rather based on a more secular reason.

Here Bush finally stated his belief that life is a “sacred gift from our Creator,” and that he feels compelled to promote the protection of and respect for life.

Now, this is slightly tricky. In here he is saying that life is a sacred gift and it is meant to be protected and the prevalent ethicist (Scientist, doctors, and professor) in that opposition believes that the embryo is a life in itself.
It could either mean that he thinks due to religious reason or since the ethics say that the embryo is a life and he wants to protect and respect lives. You could say that that was a religious statement but you can't prove that his belief of embryo being a life is due to religion or ethics and since I don't/can't find anything to prove or oppose this, I would stop arguing against this.

And since We are just repeating the previously done arguments in other statements, I won't be arguing to them too. So, that's it. GG.

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