New U.S. deportation policy raises questions about what was and what might be

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"Noodlekaboodle," I am from Europe and I am not aware of European
Socialist countries. Tell me their names. Socialism used to be communism.

I am curious to know what jobs the illegals or foreigners like some call
them are taking from Americans. You usually have to qualify for "good
Jobs" and that would include showing work permits etc.

My family
and I lived in the USA for five years with green cards no one helped us to get.
We did it legally on our own. We did not get any free rides from the government.
So I am curious as to what free rides these illegals get!?

I do not
live in the USA anymore because we had to move to get affordable health care
elsewhere despite paying hundreds of dollar each year for health insurance in
the USA.

I do agree people need to make sure they get legal work
permits and permanent residency.

Go WestKearns, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 9:46 p.m.

"What if the Obama administration had allowed illegal immigrants facing
deportation a chance to stay in the country 10 months earlier?"

What if this VIP illegal immigrant who is featured in this article never broke
the law by coming here in the first place? Chile is a relatively good country
compared to others down there.

vcsheffieldIowa City, IA

Aug. 20, 2011 8:59 p.m.

@CJ:My friend, I was not comparing Obama to Lincoln, I was comparing the
fact that the emancipation proclamation was an executive order that was highly
criticized by many and considered by some to be illegal. Read the posts here to
see that many feel that Obama making this policy statement on deportation (or
lack thereof) is illegal. My point is that it is no more illegal than executive
orders in the past (like the emancipation proclamation). That said, many
illegals were brought to this country as children through no fault of there own.
In many cases, the children's parents were encouraged to come to work in the
fields. Of note, some members of my immediate family are descendants of African
slaves and they don't take offense at my statement. P.S. Jimmy Carter
won the Nobel Peace Prize, a well deserved accomplishment.

CJMurray, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 8:20 p.m.

Noodlekaboodle,

Yeah we might compare Reagan and Obama,, (joke I
presume). A better comparison might be Obama and Lenin or Obama and Karl Marx or
better yet,,,, Obama and any current leader of a European Socialist nation on
the verge of bankruptcy and in need of bailout but trying to spend more money in
the meantime.

NoodlekaboodleSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 7:39 p.m.

@cjYou could compare President Obama to Reagan though......

CJMurray, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 6:51 p.m.

@vcsheffield

Comparing Barck Obama and illegal aliens to Abraham
Lincoln and the emancipation of the slaves is a stretch to say the least. Obama
shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Lincoln for any reason, its
kind of like comparing Jimmy Carter and George Washington. Comparing illegal
aliens who break the law, come here illegally, steal jobs, close hospitals, loot
the national treasury, and bankrupt the country with black slaves who were
brought here against their will and sold in slave markets similar to livestock
is not only naive but outrageous, and insulting. I suggest you think about what
you are saying next time, if I were the descendant of an African slave I would
consider your comparison of illegal aliens to my ancestors, who know the meaning
of oppression, as totally laughable and ludicrous.

Candidate JacksonSandy, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 6:07 p.m.

Some may be pleased the Correas were deported, as a law was broken and they feel
they deserved it. Should we, though, want to get rid of these people? I speak
only of people like the Correas, good-hearted, willing to work, lovers of good.
I am not defending terrorists or insurgents or murderers or thieves. But the
good -- even when they fail in efforts to keep papers in order that allow them
to be here -- should we not forgive them? Call it amnesty, if you will, but
forgiveness is what it is, also. We need not worry about an invasion of them. We
need not worry about rule of law being lost, any more than we worry about it
being lost when smokers smoke at door entrances or people throw aerasol cans in
the common garbage. It will not ruin our economy, or our society, if we let good
people live amongst us. Fight the drug runners who come, and the lawless, but do
not brand these people as lawless, though they are here without our permission.
Some things can be forgiven, and ought to be.

Say No to BOMapleton, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 5:53 p.m.

The confusion isn't limited to the illegal alien community.Many lifetime
members of the LDS Church are convinced that our leaders would be more likely to
support the pleas of illegal aliens marching on May Day than celebrating Law Day
with a First Presidency statement. Much has changed in 35 years; but has it
been for the better?

JBradyMurray, Ut

Aug. 20, 2011 5:46 p.m.

I'm sure the Salt Lake Chamber is very happy over this. 22 million Americans out
of work, and we are giving jobs to foreign citizens, in our own cities.

RichardBMurray, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 5:10 p.m.

I am appalled at the people who keep claiming that illegal immigration doesn't
hurt anyone. Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. When you ask for
compassion for those here illegally, you are asking for a lack of compassion for
those who's ID's have been stolen, have lost their job, have paid their taxes
and subsidized the dishonest business man, and have hurt those waiting overseas
to come here legally.

Calling for compassion should include the
honest, hard working legal people who love their neighbor enough to do things
right.

Obama is not acting for the countries good. He caved to a
special interest group.

SLarsProvo, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 4:45 p.m.

I'm sure there are a lot of really nice people that break our laws. Being really
nice does not excuse a person from breaking the law. Nor does paying taxes
excuse one from the responsibility to follow the law.

How many times
on the news have we heard people talk about a neighbor that committed a serious
crime, and say "he was really nice, always helping others". Should we
just excuse lawbreakers if they follow these simple rules.

Be nice
people and pay taxes. And you don't have to follow the laws.

John JacksonSandy, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 3:48 p.m.

Why take pleasure in the Correas deportation? They seemed to be good people,
willing to work, and respect others. Why the glee that they were deported? They
came legally, but their legal status was lost and -- while they were fighting to
retain that status -- they fell into one of the most hated statuses in our
society: "illegal aliens." When their paperwork fell out of order,
they became what many of the above commenters treat as enemies of the state. Why
should good, honest, working people be so treated? These are not people who are
a threat to our society. These are good people, not enemies of the state. There
might be insurgents out there. There surely are terrorists. But if we are so
misguided that we cannot see that these people are not insurgents and
terrorists, if we view these people as an "invasion" that will cripple
our society, we are confusing our friends with our enemies. America? A real
"America" does not go after good people and strip them of their rights
(an it doesn't say they don't have any) and put them on slow boats out of the
country.

CougarBlueHeber City, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 3:39 p.m.

Last Winter one of the Obama administration and a Democrat Congressman appeared
on the Greta Van Sustern TV show and openly stated it is Obama's intent to not
deport the illegal aliens and wants to grant them amnesty so they will be able
to vote. He wants to set this in place by this fall and right now he is ahead
of schedule.

Sadly so much of the nation (especially those under 30)
never watch news or such shows and as a result are uninformed voters. Also the
major networks never reported on this issue. They claim the news is too negative
or too one-sided. If we do not speak up then nothing will change. What has
happened to the quality of reporters which broke the Watergate and other such
news?

We are marching down a similar path to what happened when
Hitler took over Germany. I am no comparing Obama to Hitler, just comparing the
path that is now occurring for one man to dramatically change the course of
History for the worse.

KMCedar Hills, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 3:08 p.m.

Obama asked a question before enacting back door amnesty for illegals. That
question was...how many more votes can I get if I do this?

MormonDemProvo, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 1:22 p.m.

I find it amazing that so many folks who now cry bloody murder at _anything_
Obama does, claiming that he's destroying the country, sat idly by, electing and
re-electing Bush II, overlooking his infamous "signing statements,"
the shameful Valerie Plame affair, the conviction of Scooter Libby, the doubling
of the national debt, the bungling of Katrina, the missing WMDs, and so
on....

...but only NOW, when the President they hate so much, takes a
commonsense approach to a complex issue (an approach that still results in far
more deportations than his predecessor), they say it's the end of the world and
he should be impeached.

It's an outrageous double standard. Actually,
it's not even a double standard: Obama's not held to a higher standard than Bush
II, rather, whatever he does is inherently evil to these folks. He catches
Osama? Haters turn it into a bad thing. He increases deportations? Haters turn
it into a bad thing. He proposes tax cuts as part of the stimulus? Bad when he
does it. Individual mandate? Doesn't matter if it was a GOP idea originally,
it's Obama's now, which makes it bad.

Hate is strong and mocks the
song...

dlw7LOGAN, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 12:59 p.m.

If you do not enter this country thru correct channels, you are illegal. If you
paid for false ID, that is illegal. If you make up your own Social Security,
that is illegal. Illegal means you are guilty of an infraction of the law and
should pay the penalty (deportation) if you are caught. What is so difficult to
understand? If I chose to file a false Income Tax form to get a bigger refund
and got caught, you can bet I would be punished. What is the difference?

MormonDemProvo, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 12:57 p.m.

How is it that Obama is more in line with the Brethren on this issue than
virtually all of Utah (and 90% of DN readers)?

lawenforcementfromAZGlendale, AZ

Aug. 20, 2011 12:53 p.m.

This move by Obama was purely political. Further, it means that over 300,000
illegal immigrants will be able to legally work in the US, thus displacing more
legal US citizens.

When I was an active duty law enforcement
official, if I totally disregarded a significant law, I would be terminated.

Obama needs to be fired before further damage is caused to our once
great nation.

GaryFederal Way, WA

Aug. 20, 2011 12:35 p.m.

The vast majority of articles amaze me showing a woeful lack of empathy and
understanding shows what this people (who have wanted to become legal) have
become in our country. All the article is about is allowing mercy on those that
aren't hurting anyone. Many people deported were working and serving society
with good things AND paying their taxes happily. The economy rolls well with
more people, not less. There may be a few bad apples, but on the most part, most
of these people that were being deported or going to be are actually an asset to
our country. We should be glad that the administration is allowing the good
people to stay and give them a chance and deport only the troublemakers. It's
good policy and saves money and allows people and government to focus on the
trouble makers. Isn't that what you want when it comes to showing a heart to
people that have been good in your communities and to get rid of the real
troublemakers. Our immigration law is in a shambles and has been for years, even
during Republican years. It needs to be revamped and politics keeps getting in
the way.

BobPPort Alice, B.C.

Aug. 20, 2011 11:15 a.m.

Isn't it amazing that one LDS Article of Faith (12th) seems to have supplanted
all other Christian teachings of our faith.

I think if Our Savior
Himself told us to let them stay, these Pharisees would call again to crucify
Him.

Brer RabbitSpanish Fork, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 10:48 a.m.

Why have rules (laws) or a Constitution if Obama is just going to ignore them?
Why import poverty into the United States? We already have enough of that. Why
bring in imported cheap labor and flood the unskilled labor market? Aren't the
wages of the American working poor already depressed enough? Not everyone can be
a lawyer, teacher, accountant, etc. Which is worse, exporting manufacturing
jobs, or importing the cheap labor? I say importing cheap labor is worse,
because taxpayers get stuck with the subsidized social costs, but if the jobs
are exported taxpayers aren't stuck with the social costs.

1UScitizenWest Valley City, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 9:26 a.m.

Wow...some of the strange things people print here ! Some folks like "On
the other hand" seem to have a very strange sence of honor. on th eone
hand(no pun intended)this person speaks of how much good this family has
done..about creating jobs, paying taxes etc.on the other hand...couldn't a U.S.
citizen have done the same ? this family saw that they weren't going to get an
extension...and chose to run instead of doing the honest thing and going back to
Argentina...and spent 4 more years in the country illegally. this means
they..and anyone who helped them violated umpteen different laws over that
period. how is this moral ?...and as far as how proud I am to be an
American...not-so-much ...not these days. when our government chooses to pocket
ill gotten corporate funds that future generations will be paying for using tax
dollars,and illegally makes offers to foreign people that take work from
citizens...that..is a problem ! why isn't it immoral for them to undercut U.S.
wages and leave 10% of this country out of work ? where is your
loyalty.."on the other hand" ?

DN SubscriberCottonwood Heights, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 8:50 a.m.

Obama's de fact "amnesty by executive fiat" is a clear overturning of
our very foundation that we respect the rule of law.

Now it does not
matter what laws Congress has passed, as Obama can choose which he will obey,
while we citizens do not have that luxury.

This is the sort of
tyrannical behavior exhibited by the likes of Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro, not a
President of the United States.

This is but the latest step in a
series of actions which have the effect of destroying the very foundations of
our country's economic, military, political and social structure.

I
do not know that they can be proven to be high crimes and misdemeanors which
could result in impeachment, but I do know that our nation is in grave danger
from Obama's abuse of power

Third try screen nameMapleton, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 8:37 a.m.

And now the folks at the NCLR convention are chanting, "Yes he did! Yes he
did!"

donquixote84721Cedar City, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 7:03 a.m.

I believe that the real problem is that people in these countries need to follow
the example of Egypt and throw out the oppressive government of their home
countries, rather than come to the United States and try to remake this country
into their old country. I believe that we are all children of the same God, and
all deserve to be free to govern ourselves. People that flee an oppressive
government do nothing to help those they leave behind.

vcsheffieldIowa City, IA

Aug. 20, 2011 6:46 a.m.

Monitor: This comment is not a duplicate because the original was not posted
for some reason!

President Obama is doing the right thing and I raise
my voice in support of his compassionate policy decision. I know many
undocumented aliens and the vast vast majority are great people that I am proud
to know. The President's policy is logical and gives many good people a chance
for a better life. There is nothing illegal about the policy and Obama is no
more going against the rule of law than was Abraham Lincoln when he emancipated
the slaves.

vcsheffieldIowa City, IA

Aug. 20, 2011 6:29 a.m.

President Obama is doing the right thing and I raise my voice in support of his
compassionate policy decision. I know many undocumented aliens and the vast
vast majority are great people that I am proud to know. The President's policy
is logical and gives many good people a chance for a better life. There is
nothing illegal about the policy and Obama is no more going against the rule of
law than was Abraham Lincoln when he emancipated the slaves.

TimjSouth Jordan, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 6:28 a.m.

"I don't find anything in the LDS Church's policy on immigration that runs
counter to deporting the Correas who were here illegally."

Then
you're not paying attention to what the LDS Church says. The church has stated
recently that it supports allowing illegal immigrants to stay and work here
legally. Glad to see that Obama agrees with the LDS Church.

DCMaughanGrantsville, Utah

Aug. 20, 2011 5:42 a.m.

On the other hand:If the US immigration laws had been upheld and enforced
all along; the country not having to deal with so many illegal immigrants
clogging the system, perhaps the Correa family and other like them following the
rules and doing thing legally would have their US citizenship. I do not
believe we are saying we do not want or like immigrants in Utah or the US we are
simply saying we want them here legally.

T-JeffUinta Basin, Utah

Aug. 20, 2011 5:05 a.m.

We used to have peace officers and now we have paramilitary units. We have a
Commander-in-Chief that picks and choses which laws he will enforce. We have
Justices that base their decisions on their political ideology instead of
rooting them in law and past precedence. I predict we are in for some tough,
unsettled times ahead due to the loss of respect for the law.

SLarsProvo, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 5:02 a.m.

Staying after their 2006 asylum request (one of several) and ignoring the
deportation orders, was illegal. If the lawyer told them to stay in the country,
he and they knew they were under deportation orders, why else would he tell them
that.

We have millions of people that try to come here each year.
Our country can only take so many. That's why insisting on everyone following
the law has to be mandatory for all. After we do that, then we can tackle the
individual problems.

Someone tell Morton that people here illegally
can't serve in the military.

mohokatOgden, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 4:50 a.m.

Obama spoke at a La Raza conference and told the crowd that he was considering
making new law himself (that is without Congress or the American people). One of
the few times he has told the truth. Does anyone doubt his true position which
is a commie?

RichardBMurray, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 2:45 a.m.

They did not do everything right. They came here 10 years ago on a visa, they
then applied for an extension, when it was running out, they applied for asylum,
After numerous efforts to stay and being denied for asylum an immigration judge
ultimately denied their request and subsequent appeal in 2006. This resulted in
a self deportation order.

They moved from Iowa to Utah and worked
here for four years where they were finally found and deported. This is public
record.

Most people facing deportation will apply for asylum. It
gives them an extra two to four years here as it goes through the courts.

hagarDoylestown, PA

Aug. 20, 2011 1:23 a.m.

The Utah Compact crowd of amnesty lovers must be dancing in the streets. No more
deported branch presidents?

On the other handSpanish Fork, UT

Aug. 20, 2011 1:03 a.m.

I feel badly for the Correas. They did everything in their power to become
legal residents, including coming here by legal means. During their time here,
they created jobs rather than taking them; they paid taxes; and they made a
positive contribution to American society. That's more than can be said of many
of the people criticizing them.

I find it ironic that Sally concluded
the Correas feel "entitled" to what America had to offer them (never
mind that they worked hard for everything they had). It's been my impression
that most Americans feel a ridiculous sense of entitlement simply because they
were born here. They think they deserve good employment, good housing, good
sanitation, good medical care, good transportation, good food, good education,
good shopping, and even reasonably good government. But apparently what's good
for the American goose is no good for the Argentine gander.

Don't
tell me about legalities and articles of faith. Tell me how it's okay that an
outstanding, upstanding family comes here legally and makes every possible
attempt to get permanent residency but gets shafted again and again and finally
gets kicked out. What about that makes you proud to be an American?

CJMurray, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 11:28 p.m.

Barack Obama will do anything to get more power or keep his current power. He
has done nothing the last ten years but campaign for office and the state of our
nation currently reflects it. This is nothing but a cheap trick designed to
appease Hispanics in an effort to get their vote. He is hands down the most
dishonest, despicable person ever to disgrace the oval office. We need to call
our congressmen and senators on Monday and contact all the Presidential
candidates and let them know that if they allow this to stand unchallenged we
will seek their removal and defeat in the next election. We need to file suits,
hold hearings ,and seek impeachment if necessary. Obama thinks he is a dictator
who can override the will of the people whenever he doesn't like the outcome in
Congress, he tramples on the constitution every day, he is a disgrace to the
office.

photographermomSouth Jordan, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 9:46 p.m.

Obama is well aware that even his party is jumping ship. He is quickly losing
the Latino voters. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt at re
election. Obama has been nothing but a huge disaster for this country.

JBradyMurray, Ut

Aug. 19, 2011 9:20 p.m.

Claudio Correa was here illegally and working after his asylum hearing was
denied, and his behavior was criminal. Whether the lawyer told him to stay
illegally or not, he is responsible.

I would not get my hopes up.
Obama just jumped the shark. He is at his lowest approval rating ever and has
made a last gasp effort. He cannot give an executive order and give out guest
worker permits or make his own deportation laws. This will be in courts, fought
in congress and protested by Americans.

A guest worker (visa) has to
take jobs that only Americans will not take, at a fair market wage, or is not
available. That means that once made a guest worker, they have to abide by the
law, and most will lose their jobs.

The immigration and labor laws
would have to be changed by congress. Do you think the House would approve? I
don't.

We are allowing people to steal our country and jobs. The
middle east is not this countries biggest problem.

Families that are
legal/illegal are responsible for their actions, not the law. Birthright
children can return at 18. They have the choice to stay together.

BYU AlumCedar Hills, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 8:56 p.m.

Obama is not a king. An injunction will be filed in the courts to stop
everything in its tracks. The Executive branch can't usurp the power of
Congress. Obama now has an impeachable offense.

RantBullyBend, OR

Aug. 19, 2011 8:40 p.m.

"The Correas came to the United States legally in 2000 with the
understanding that Correa's employer would help pave the way for residency. That
didn't happen. Later petitions for asylum due to religious persecution in their
native Argentina were denied. Misguided advice from attorneys kept them in
country thinking immigration officials would reopen their case someday."

At some point, the Correas made the decision to stay here illegally with
or without the advice of a bad attorney. The advice should have been to obey,
honor, and sustain the law of the United States. I know this is difficult to
understand considering Obama doesn't do this, but that would have been the
correct action for the Correas.

If the immigration system is cleaned
up where legal immigration is supported, and illegal immigration is stopped,
then the Correas would not have been confused, misguided, and eventually
deported.

It is irrelevant that the Correas were making stained
glass windows for LDS temples. I don't find anything in the LDS Church's policy
on immigration that runs counter to deporting the Correas who were here
illegally.

LinusBountiful, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 8:13 p.m.

Just what is the constitutional purpose of the Executive Branch of the Federal
Government? It is to enforce the law. Yet Obama and the Justice Department are
on record of deciding which laws they feel like enforcing. The won't enforce
the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT), nor Immigration
Laws. We have an Executive Branch publicly in defiance of the Constitution.
Shouldn't someone with standing sue to remove a president who has sworn to
uphold the Constitution of the United States? We saw him swear; but he has
openly violated his oath. Down with tyrants!

DektolPowell, OH

Aug. 19, 2011 7:30 p.m.

Anyone and everyone here illegally is a criminal. All should be prosecuted,
fined, jailed and shipped out. Letting any of them stay is spitting on all those
who are here legally and follow the law.

No One Of ConsequenceWest Jordan, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 7:21 p.m.

Sounds like the long-unwritten policy of looking the other way has now been
codified.

In place of the rule of law we have the rule of rules.

'Congress? We don't need no stinkin' Congress!'

EmophiliacVernal, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 7:06 p.m.

With 9% unemployment of US citizens, it would seem like illegals would need to
have a really good case for staying in the US, rather than to be deported. Why
does it take more than a day or two to process an illegal and send them on their
way? That is 300,000 illegals who could be on buses and slow boats to their
homelands.

Kathy.Iowa, Iowa

Aug. 19, 2011 6:35 p.m.

Really really need to get Obama out of office.

sallyKearns, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 6:28 p.m.

I read the article before I commented. "Entitlement" is the word that
sums up this family. Is there something wrong with Argentina? If they are not
happy in their home country, why would they be happy in the U.S.?

danaslcKearns, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 6:09 p.m.

I guess it has to get a lot worse before people get up off their couches to take
action against this kind of aggression against legal citizens of America. If
congress wants to get off its rear ends and fight against this type of crime
against America, I guess we have to wait until 2012. I am now not going to go
anywhere near where they are being hired.

RichardBMurray, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 5:42 p.m.

As a society, when one group of people can change laws that are in effect
illegally, we are doomed.

Obama is acting like an illegal alien,
ignoring the laws. What's next after immigration?

Say No to BOMapleton, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 5:26 p.m.

I guess that's the thing about making up your own rules for so long that no one
knows what the real rules are.The rule of law is a shambles in this
country with one politician trying to offer more de facto amnesty than
another.Pandering to a voting bloc at the expense of the rest of us is a
shame.The Church used to stand tall in favor of the rule of law. These
days...not so much.

RRBSLC, UT

Aug. 19, 2011 5:24 p.m.

According to the Wall Street journal, any person not deported will be eligible
for work permits and compete with 22 million Americans who can't find a
full-time job.