KJUW89:We need to set some expectations as I see it. Just like world peace can never be achieved, we will never be 100% from gun violence. We just need to determine how much we can tolerate at the expense of encroaching on the 2nd Amendment.

The best way to address gun violence is the focus on the violence part. (Since if you remove the gun from the equation somebody is still getting stabbed or beaten to death) by addressing our shiatty justice system, war on drugs, income inequality, systemic racism, cyclical poverty, etc. It'd improve everyone's lives and drop our violence across the board.

I never understood the obsession with 'gun violence' personally. Is being stabbed to death somehow more morally desirable than being shot to death?

sammyk:Interesting thing about background checks. 20 years ago the Brady act was signed into law implementing actual background checks. Lo and behold 20 years later gun violence is cut in half. But I am sure there will be someone here shortly to tell us the 2 things are in no way connected.

The ban on "Assault Weapons" and high capacity magazines expired so I can claim that more people being able to arm and defend themselves with previously banned weapons contributed. to the decline.

I think it would be smarter to look at the decline in gang turf wars and drug violence during that time than gun laws or lack there of. It won't serve your agenda but it is closer to the truth.

Most "gun control" legislation is nothing more than polticians jerking off a particular constituency(If we just get rid fo those guns with flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and pistol grip stocks we will all be safer nonsense). Normally that constituency is the soccer mom for the children crowd or those who also need government to protect them from the evils of large soft drinks and trans fats is also afraid the 80 million lawful gun owners.

Hey you know where I fall on the issue. We've done this before. Let a man make a joke.

I doubt that. Nobody in favor of gun rights talks the way you do.

I have you fav'd in derp grey for a reason.

I always thought of derp as more puce in colour.

Well with the dark grey, it allows for easy ignoring, but I can go back and read what was said if someone else is responding to them and I wish to respond to that person and wish to know more about the context.

I wish that folks would stop lumping suicide by gun into gun death stats. My reason is this: If someone is determined to kill themselves, they are going to use whatever means necessary, and all the gun laws in the world will not stop someone who has decided to off themselves.

Actually, that's not the case at all. When guns are banned, people don't just switch to the next method. The rate of suicide actually decreases. Why, because of all those means, nothings quite as quick as a gun. Even slowing down the rate at which they can get a gun means that people think it out and decide not to kill themselves.

Violence has been on a decline throughout human history. The chances of dying at the hands of another person is quite a bit lower than at any time in history. Ted Talk linkWe as a species are becoming less violent and more sensitive to violence so that many perceive the violence that does occur to be increasing rather than decreasing.

BayouOtter:KJUW89: We need to set some expectations as I see it. Just like world peace can never be achieved, we will never be 100% from gun violence. We just need to determine how much we can tolerate at the expense of encroaching on the 2nd Amendment.

The best way to address gun violence is the focus on the violence part. (Since if you remove the gun from the equation somebody is still getting stabbed or beaten to death) by addressing our shiatty justice system, war on drugs, income inequality, systemic racism, cyclical poverty, etc. It'd improve everyone's lives and drop our violence across the board.

I never understood the obsession with 'gun violence' personally. Is being stabbed to death somehow more morally desirable than being shot to death?

One Farker has explicitly expressed the opinion that stabbing homicides preferable to firearm homicides.

Question: the study seems to be about the decline in gun "crimes". What about gun "deaths/injuries"? Is there a statistical difference between the crime stats and accident stats in the U.S.? Just wondering.

In Canada, there is legislation provisions for how guns are stored (locked and unloaded). It did result in a drop for gun-related accidental death/injuries in youth and a significant drop in youth suicide rates. Gun cirmes have also dropped, I think, proportionately to the U.S., but I'd have to review the stats more thoroughly and I don't wanna.

Saiga410:sammyk: Interesting thing about background checks. 20 years ago the Brady act was signed into law implementing actual background checks. Lo and behold 20 years later gun violence is cut in half. But I am sure there will be someone here shortly to tell us the 2 things are in no way connected.

I wonder how it corrilates to the enactment of CCW legislation? About 20-25 years ago the states started to lessend the restricitons.

I'm sure it has had some effect. Good luck figuring it out. I just googled "gun used in self defense statistics". Turns out there are only a few thousand articles and all of them claim something different.

ko_kyi:nekom: They were both written in the same general era, and they are both pretty much anachronisms.

There is a process for revising them as well. What's the holdup?

Kansas, Texas, etc. Which is why it's never going to happen. I'm not naive, I know the political climate will NEVER allow for the 2nd amendment to be repealed. It's just my opinion that it ought to be.

mrshowrules:The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population.

A declining rate doesn't mean jack shiat.

The number we should be looking at is total murder rate. America is still higher but its not some crazy number like 20X. I also dont see how a declining rate "doesnt mean jack shiat". It means something we are doing is affecting the rates so we should probably pay attention to what it is.

No. Correlation does in fact imply causation. Correlation does not *equal* causation though.

This is one of these ones were a statement gets misread by non specialists - like how a scientific theory is pretty much the apex of long years of research, but in normal speech indicates a rough guess.

In the same way "implies" in logic is absolute - P implies Q is a statement of truth/certainty, but in common language "implies" tends to suggest some sort of vague hint, or someone suggesting something in a roundabout matter.

tricycleracer:tricycleracer: Endive Wombat: I wish that folks would stop lumping suicide by gun into gun death stats. My reason is this: If someone is determined to kill themselves, they are going to use whatever means necessary,

You say that, but the FIREARM suicide rate went down 65% in Australia in the decade after their gun ban.

FTFM.

That pretty much addressed his point. If fewer people use guns and instead use knives, roap, water, car exhaust, etc., nothing has actually been done. Substitution is not progress.