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After Iceland, Ireland is finally waking up too (UK still appears sound asleep).

Legal action is being taken against the unconstitutional bailouts of Irish banks that transferred private bankster debts onto the taxpayer.

On Tuesday 27th March Ben Gilroy, John Squires and 'People for Economic Justice' served a summons on the Irish government to answer charges of illegal activity over the bank bailout.

The bailout is illegal under Bunreacht Na hEireann, the Irish Constitution. It is also illegal under international law. An injunction was applied for to prevent the payment of a €3.1 billion euro Anglo bond due to be paid this Saturday 31st March 2012.

The judge has given two weeks for the State to respond.

Please support Ben and John and People for Economic Justice in any way you can. The economic situation in Ireland has been caused by illegal activity. Those responsible must be held responsible, and the payments must be stopped. Fine Gael were elected on the promise of stopping this madness but have not done so.

THE HIGH Court has dismissed an application for an injunction preventing Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Minister for Finance Michael Noonan paying out public money to cover the debts of private banks, including Anglo Irish Bank.

The injunction was sought yesterday on an ex parte (one side only) basis by John Squires and Ben Gilroy, members of a group called People for Economic Justice.

About 100 people took part in a protest organised by that group outside the Four Courts yesterday afternoon.

Mr Gilroy said the injunction was being sought in the context of proceedings being taken by them that aimed to prevent State payments to entities including unsecured bondholders of Anglo Irish Bank.

Mr Squires and Mr Gilroy sought an order prohibiting the Taoiseach and/or Minister using the State’s sovereign money, taxes, promissory notes, bonds or any other financial instrument to pay “this odious debt” to unsecured bondholders of Anglo, IBRC, the European Central Bank or any other financial institutions.

They claimed such payments “plunge the country further into unnecessary debt” and would “inflict further hardship on families”.

Ms Justice Mary Laffoy dismissed the injunction application: grounds included the applicants’ failure to put the defendants on notice of their proceedings and failure to issue a notice of motion outlining their issue. The application was also not sufficiently urgent, the judge said.

Mr Gilroy and Mr Squires had argued that the matter was urgent because €3.1 billion is due to be paid as part of the State’s bill for Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide at the end of this month, but the judge said that the applicants could have moved earlier.

In affidavits, both men claimed the actions of the Taoiseach and the Minister in paying back unsecured debt to private banks who took part in “illegal activities” were unconstitutional.

The respondents lacked a mandate from the people to make such payments, they said.

The Taoiseach had placed promises made to the people of Ireland second to promises made to a banking system that had broken liquidity laws, they claimed.

Receiving bailouts from other member states of the EU or the ECB to pay back private banking corporations also conflicted with the Lisbon Treaty, they said.

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The president could have referred the bailout bill to the supreme court before signing it - I guess she didn't because there's nothing that could be done about it.

Wrong! If the President had refers a bill to the supreme court, he/she must specify which sections are to be examined. However, if the court approves the bill, the entire act, once signed, becomes unchallengeable.

By not referring the bill to the supreme court prior to signing, each and every section of the act can be subject to multiple challenges in the supreme court.

With that said, fair deuce to this crowd challenging it inthe courts......

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It's about time these governments did some representation for the people, rather than for the banks and the other corporates.

If the government resists this sort of action and it spreads in the media, they will look utterly out of touch. That will anger people even more.

Ireland has a modern constitution and they seem to be realising the power which it brings. One of them, is the lawful right to withdraw consent to be governed, I believe. When the aforementioned starts being tested in numbers, then there will be real change.

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It's about time these governments did some representation for the people, rather than for the banks and the other corporates.

If the government resists this sort of action and it spreads in the media, they will look utterly out of touch. That will anger people even more.

Ireland has a modern constitution and they seem to be realising the power which it brings. One of them, is the lawful right to withdraw consent to be governed, I believe. When the aforementioned starts being tested in numbers, then there will be real change.

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Dream on, like any almost every other modern 'democracy' the system is set up to keep the elite comfortable and the people without any real power whilst giving them the illusion that they decide their own fate.

The only thing that will result in any change to the status quo is widespread direct action from the populace. Now that the bills for the bank bailouts are literally landing on the doormats of homeowners in the RoI, I guess there might be the beginnings of some sort of actual response from the public.

I wouldn't bet on it though - the people did absolutely nothing as the politicians bailed out their bankster masters by dumping private debt onto state books. They're only grumbling now that they are facing the consequences. Smart politicians should easily be able to con a population that's every bit as gullible, stpuid and lazy as the British one (possibly even more so) into paying in some other way.

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Dream on, like any almost every other modern 'democracy' the system is set up to keep the elite comfortable and the people without any real power whilst giving them the illusion that they decide their own fate.

The only thing that will result in any change to the status quo is widespread direct action from the populace. Now that the bills for the bank bailouts are literally landing on the doormats of homeowners in the RoI, I guess there might be the beginnings of some sort of actual response from the public.

I wouldn't bet on it though - the people did absolutely nothing as the politicians bailed out their bankster masters by dumping private debt onto state books. They're only grumbling now that they are facing the consequences. Smart politicians should easily be able to con a population that's every bit as gullible, stpuid and lazy as the British one (possibly even more so) into paying in some other way.

Was there about a month ago there was sings every where and just about all the radio stations was supporting the non payment of the new property tax that was due to be paid by the same day the payment to the ECB ?/ troika was due on March the 31st and by all accounts only a fraction had payed the tax at that time (first week of March)

So they have woke up and if they do not pay whats the government going to do when something in the region of 1 million + default that's a lot of doors to be broken down

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Was there about a month ago there was sings every where and just about all the radio stations was supporting the non payment of the new property tax that was due to be paid by the same day the payment to the ECB ?/ troika was due on March the 31st and by all accounts only a fraction had payed the tax at that time (first week of March)

So they have woke up and if they do not pay whats the government going to do when something in the region of 1 million + default that's a lot of doors to be broken down

The Irish fought for 700 years for their freedom - survived wars, persecutions, being illegally thrown off their land, famine and effective genocide. He is right - the Irish people's ancestors would be literally turning in their grave - something fought for so hard for generations has been thrown away in 4 years.

My aunt and uncle - in their 70s - haven't paid the tax yet. Are they going to send the bailiffs in on pensioners?

In the end all the Irish have to fall back on is their wonderful constitution (who else always gets referendums on EU treaties) and their own willingness to protest against this all No one thought in 1984 than 5 years later the wall would have come down and the Soviet empire ended - nothing is inevitable or irreversible if enough people protest. Sadly the sheepie are more concerned about this weekends latest new sensation on Britains got talent to do anything in the UK!

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The Irish fought for 700 years for their freedom - survived wars, persecutions, being illegally thrown off their land, famine and effective genocide. He is right - the Irish people's ancestors would be literally turning in their grave - something fought for so hard for generations has been thrown away in 4 years.

My aunt and uncle - in their 70s - haven't paid the tax yet. Are they going to send the bailiffs in on pensioners?

In the end all the Irish have to fall back on is their wonderful constitution (who else always gets referendums on EU treaties) and their own willingness to protest against this all No one thought in 1984 than 5 years later the wall would have come down and the Soviet empire ended - nothing is inevitable or irreversible if enough people protest. Sadly the sheepie are more concerned about this weekends latest new sensation on Britains got talent to do anything in the UK!

That's a very good point.

I'm sensing a growing swell of people who are starting to realise what is going on. There seems to be an acceptance that something needs to give and this is leading to people considering new ideas. It's a bit like alcoholism - you have to admit you have a problem, before you can find a solution. Before that, you will just get angry at anyone who tells you to lay off the bottle.

If you look at where we were in 2007 and where we are now, there have been huge changes in social opinion. There are pockets of people in different movements and they seem to be starting to converge. Many seem to know that something is wrong, but just don't know what and why... this is starting to change though, as people are educating themselves, rather than taking what politicians say gospel.

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This thread is about Ireland - where a revolution did create a fairer society. As for being more prosperous - well it depends whether you mean fake prosperity based on debt or real prosperity (not just in the monetary sense) where everyone has a decent home, lives in a strong community and has enough to live on!

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You can see the change happening in the way people think. I always give this forum as an example. Ideas and theories that are discussed on here now would not have got a look in even two years ago.

In fact if you search the previous posts it is quite alarming how many more people on this site are now realising that the right left paradigm, politics in general and banking is just one big scam. More and more people seeing through the smoke and mirrors. A couple of years ago this site was mainly of the opinion it was incompetence.

People are starting to realise it really is a conspiracy, there really is an elite that control the world and they really will do anything to bring total fascism.

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You can see the change happening in the way people think. I always give this forum as an example. Ideas and theories that are discussed on here now would not have got a look in even two years ago.

In fact if you search the previous posts it is quite alarming how many more people on this site are now realising that the right left paradigm, politics in general and banking is just one big scam. More and more people seeing through the smoke and mirrors. A couple of years ago this site was mainly of the opinion it was incompetence.

People are starting to realise it really is a conspiracy, there really is an elite that control the world and they really will do anything to bring total fascism.

There have been no right wing policies in the West since WW2 - because of the threat posed by the USSR and China.

And the human race has always been ruled by a small elite because that is how human societies operate

but the idea that they are in control of events and have a carefully thought out and orchestrated master plan is utterly ridiculous.

All they want to do is hold onto power and all everyone else wants to do is take power themselves

So even if the ruling elite are overthrown they are immediately replaced by a new ruling elite

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Just watched a very interesting documentary about the Hittite Empire which was at its height in 1400 BC

For some reason it mysteriously collapsed - probably due to civil war

Only to be replaced by yet another empire.

When people are left to themselves, whichever group of humans organises itself the fastest and is prepared to use force becomes the new state

This has been going on for 5000 years or so.

Just because one state collapses - this does not mean the end of the state.

Humans are statists

Its in our genes - it's what makes us human.

Without a subset of people, stealing other people's property, society just collapses, right?

Theft and violence isn't a prerequisite for society to function.

You can argue that thugs have always attempted to rule over others, but that doesn't make it right or inevitable. The mask of 'consent' is slipping from our 'democracies', partly because of the abuse of citizens by their rulers, but largely because the Internet has allowed people to educate and communicate with one another.

When people start to see the state for what it is, they will reject it. State free, horizontal democracy will return and the state, along with its violent, top down rule, will disintegrate.

People simply don't need a violent, monolithic system to tell them what to do. They can organise themselves, in distributed, voluntary, bottom up, groupings as and when they are required.

TBH, it all seems rather inevitable to me. The Internet has let the genie out of the bottle and no amount of FUD and propaganda from the establishment is going to put it back in again. It's funny watching you squirm though!

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Problem is that in trying to compete with Soviet propaganda the West created the welfare state

The USSR then went bankrupt and now the big state social welfare model in the west is bankrupt.

I am not even trying to sell an ideology - I have just always been interested in history.

The economy of the USSR collapsed for obvious reasons and the economies of Western Europe and the US have also now inevitably collapsed.

The welfare budget in the UK alone accounts for all income tax receipts apparently.

i dont believe there is anything wrong with a welfare state, infact i wouldnt want to live in a country without some fall back mechanisim, i dont want to see india or somalia in the uk where people starve literaly.

The problem is the abuse of and stupidity of the system and rules. a welfare state that pays out more than working is just sick, and one that pays out to mass immigrants on massive scales is plain evil to the populance.

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Wrong! If the President had refers a bill to the supreme court, he/she must specify which sections are to be examined. However, if the court approves the bill, the entire act, once signed, becomes unchallengeable.

By not referring the bill to the supreme court prior to signing, each and every section of the act can be subject to multiple challenges in the supreme court.

With that said, fair deuce to this crowd challenging it inthe courts......

She saw nothing unconstitutional. The multiple challenges will not happen.