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Just throwing this out there to any of you posters new to the game or the forums:

1.) it's the internet, get over it

2.) all advice isn't supposed to be taken as hate

3.) if people tell you to just play tier 1 deck X or Y, it's probably a hint. Again, take the advice for what it is

4.) Not all posters need to be freakin' buddy-buddy jesus posts. i'm not going to take the time to make you feel like a million bucks just because you "took the time" to post something.

5.) blue is the best color ever. how do you deal?

6.) read the forum rules before printing, don't post your deck list in std general, don't post new threads in the tier sections, and if you're looking for feedback/advice, then post guidlines like your budget or what you want, or don't want.

7.) build your own list, we don't build decks for you

8.) it's the internet, get over it

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for standard relevance sake, reprint necro

Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? ------------------------------ Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf"

Sadly, if people aren't going to read/obey the forums rules threads, I doubt this will do much to remedy the situation.

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."

9.) if you don't want to play deck X or card Z because "you don't like the card" or "don't want to play the same thing as everyone else".... then how are you going to improve your deck, your playing, yourself. you've already said to the world that i'm going to personally handicap my game because it makes me feel better. this just kills me everytime.

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seriously, if that's your take on it all, casual's over that way.

/rant (for now)

Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? ------------------------------ Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf"

I currently run a deck for Standard, Modern, Commander and Legacy.
For standard, I have a typical, horribly budget Rakdos Deck Wins.
For Modern, I have a B/G/U/W Draw-go Reanimator featuring my favorite creature, Wurmcoil Engine.
For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension. I also run a Naya Zoo withall theoldies.
For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm.
A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely.
However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.

#3 is bullshit. Development of new decks is needed and all you do is copy pasta "why don't you play this deck". I don't see a problem in developing an idea as far as it can go with it ultimately failing. Sure, some decks clearly suck dick but others might be fine if they were actually fleshed out.

I hope all this helps you to see things in a greater light—and understand that Magic: the Gathering was really created by extraterrestials using Richard Garfield as a medium. The game itself reflects the socio-psycho realtivity between living beings, and the science that takes precedence over them—to define reality for them all (like telekinesis, weather, scientific reaction, phenomenon, ingenuity, how the brain works, etc.). I'd also bet there is an entity floating thousands of miles above us, looking down on the current state of game, shaking its fist like... "Wtf are you doing?! You're getting it all screwed up!". Awkward—to be evolved, and yet still subject to the ladder that is the concepts of the game. In this case, misconception, corruption, and deception. With the realities of each color becoming distorted (through oblivious designers), leading the game to reflect a false state of reality that warps the understanding that other people have about those things. For example, people thinking that white could be anything except pure good. This shouldn't be too far off though, I mean...Magic is designed based on reality after all, so that entity (those entities) should be subject to those things. Anyways, I guess when you're busy doing space stuff you can't always be around to ensure quality control. It's no wonder they choose Garfield, they're so much alike; that's exactly what happened to him and Magic.

Say what you like about us new guys, we aren't the ones posting threads that amount to one giant circle-jerk about how "They suck and We rule."

I think it's just the frequency and commonality in response. Things start to seem like Groundhog Day around here. I dunno how often we see a thread titled: Help Me Improve My Deck!

Upon review you notice the deck has some sorta subpar choice. When you point it out you hear "but I like Rakdos, Lord of Riots." Well, you asked for advice and there it is. Later someone will idle in and support their poor choice and the OP goes on about the uniqueness in their choice and how the subpar choice is broken and just beyond the comprehension of those that would dispute this. You call us jerks and we call it Tuesday.

Often, I think people need to realize that no one plays certain cards because they are bad. To play them makes you appear blind to the obvious. When you ask for help you slap the hand that wants to help you out of the hole ...I've taken to just leaving you in there some days.

Say what you like about us new guys, we aren't the ones posting threads that amount to one giant circle-jerk about how "They suck and We rule."

I think it's just the frequency and commonality in response. Things start to seem like Groundhog Day around here. I dunno how often we see a thread titled: Help Me Improve My Deck!

Upon review you notice the deck has some sorta subpar choice. When you point it out you hear "but I like Rakdos, Lord of Riots." Well, you asked for advice and there it is. Later someone will idle in and support their poor choice and the OP goes on about the uniqueness in their choice and how the subpar choice is broken and just beyond the comprehension of those that would dispute this. You call us jerks and we call it Tuesday.

Often, I think people need to realize that no one plays certain cards because they are bad. To play them makes you appear blind to the obvious. When you ask for help you slap the hand that wants to help you out of the hole ...I've taken to just leaving you in there some days.

This should seriously be stickied somewhere too. This has to be the most spot on description of the way things tend to work around here that I have ever seen.

Person asks for advice ---> Person is given advice -----> Person proceeds to call the advice giver rude/stupid/unimaginative/elitist and ignores all advice given

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."

#3 is ****. Development of new decks is needed and all you do is copy pasta "why don't you play this deck". I don't see a problem in developing an idea as far as it can go with it ultimately failing. Sure, some decks clearly suck dick but others might be fine if they were actually fleshed out.

don't misunderstand my intentions. i'm all for rogue decks and new ideas. i build new decks or do weird things all the time. but my point was that if your deck is... basically just deck X but isn't very good because it isn't basically just deck X, then you should probably just be playing deck X or as in you haven't presented reasonings for why you decided to play whatever you are and not deck X.

mostly, this comes down to a budget issue and people just won't man up and say that.

Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? ------------------------------ Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf"

It's not a one way street you idiots. Goddamnit this can't be that hard to explain.

This is true, certainly there are people here who are quite condescending when they give advice, I have to admit, I have done it myself on occasion. On the other hand, people tend to forget that this is the competitive part of the forums and that there are a separate sub-section of the forums specifically dedicated to silly casual ideas.

When people post Storm Crow.dec and whatnot here, it can be pretty difficult not to be a bit condescending.

Also, people tend to take things too personally around here. When someone tells someone else that Typhoid Rats is a bad card, it means exactly that, that it is a bad card. This does not automatically equate to said person saying "you suck at the game", although it seems that is how many of the people around here take criticism.

It is a pretty basic concept to understand. In order to make things better, a certain amount of criticism has to occur, either for good or bad. If you are not able to handle having other people criticize the most minute details of your ideas, then simply don't post looking for said advice/criticism. Also, if this is the case, you should take a few steps back and realize that what you are looking for is NOT advice or criticism to make your ideas better, but rather you are looking for someone to validate your ideas for you.

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."

Look at those threads and ask yourself, is that guy coming here to build a competitive deck or just post once on the forum for somebody to fix it for them. This should determine whether or not you post in it and if you do post, say you would get better advice in casual. Casual players doesn't want an indepth critique of their decks and they'll think you're being a dick whether or not you actually are (most of the time it's a combination of both).

If we're going to improve this forum to have a competitive vibe, don't post in casual threads except "bring this to the casual forum" and keep posting in real threads.

Post here for help building your casual, budget, or noncompetetive Standard decks.

But I do agree, there should be more of a distinction between the casual and competitive threads. One idea would be to add a new sub-forum, something along the lines of 'Standard Deck Development' or whatnot, that could be for the development and discussion of new competitive decks and archetypes. Thoughts?

"I will diminish, and go into the west, and there remain SgtPepperjack. Y'know, you really ought to come along with me."

that's crap. if someone posts a deck, then they open themselves to whatever anyone wants to say about it, good or bad. obviously, stupid comments that aren't helpful are a waste of everyone's time, but if a deck is obviously terrible, then why can't we tell that person such?

what kind of double standard is that? so i'm banned from opening peoples' threads and commenting if they're obviously "below me"?

not buying it

Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? ------------------------------ Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf"

Also, people tend to take things too personally around here. When someone tells someone else that Typhoid Rats is a bad card, it means exactly that, that it is a bad card.

THEN HOW DID IT GET A 4.5 GATHERER RATING?

that's crap. if someone posts a deck, then they open themselves to whatever anyone wants to say about it, good or bad. obviously, stupid comments that aren't helpful are a waste of everyone's time, but if a deck is obviously terrible, then why can't we tell that person such?

what kind of double standard is that? so i'm banned from opening peoples' threads and commenting if they're obviously "below me"?

That has to be the most annoying thing ever. Freaking wanna be hipsters.

Maybe creative people have problems with Spike mentality and enjoy the game not just by winning, but how they win, so even if they have fewer ones they are more enjoyable. This can also lead to rogue decks, later on, fi one puts he's Spike hat. Though we can argue the futile of being original in a limited card pool enviorment like T2 and such efforts are noise.

Oh and BF new users won't read this they will just proced to post of bepissed. Maybe you can add this thread to your sig as a spoiler discloser or a ling in red "IF YOU THINK I HURT YOUR NEWBIE FEELINGS CLICK HERE" : P

that's crap. if someone posts a deck, then they open themselves to whatever anyone wants to say about it, good or bad. obviously, stupid comments that aren't helpful are a waste of everyone's time, but if a deck is obviously terrible, then why can't we tell that person such?

what kind of double standard is that? so i'm banned from opening peoples' threads and commenting if they're obviously "below me"?

not buying it

Nobody is saying you can't post in anything, if you want to piddle on peoples deck efforts and moan that they aren't blindly doing what you tell them to you crack on. This is your forum too bud.

I'M saying that doing so -and making threads like this and generally being an elitist tosser- make you look like an elitist tosser. And for all the slagging off you guys can do about new kids, they won't go off to their corner and whinge about forum fiends ignoring their deck ideas and telling them to 'just spend hundreds of dollars and build X noob'. For the record I don't even have a problem with you BF or any of you guys, I'm just calling it like I see it.

What you and everyone else seems to forget is that most people aren't on here for hours a week, at least once a day. If you spend that long on the forums of course you'll see the same things pop up again and again, this is where beginners are going to gravitate since MtG players look down on Pojo(and rightly so).

If someone has the desire/time to post a deck up on the WotC forums looking for help, then they most certainly should have the desire/time to do at least a miniscule amount of research themselves, both to make themselves a better deck builder/player, and to also better understand how and why the people here suggest playing card X over card Y, and so on.

You can call us elitists as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on here posting deck lists looking for help, aren't actually looking for help at all, but are rather looking for validation. They are looking for someone to call them a unique and special little snowflake because they chose to play 5cc or whatever other silly idea they have, instead of an established archetype (which most of them refer to as "netdecking").

Now that isn't to say that rogue decks cant exist or spring up, but more often than not, even when these rogue decks are viable, they don't last long enough in the meta to actually be worth playing (how long did Staticaster+Peddler.dec last again?). Established archetypes are established for a REASON, because they not only work, but work consistently.

The fact of the matter is, I would rather be looked at as an elitist and hated any day of the week, than to be liked for being pleasant yet willfully ignorant.

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."

that's crap. if someone posts a deck, then they open themselves to whatever anyone wants to say about it, good or bad. obviously, stupid comments that aren't helpful are a waste of everyone's time, but if a deck is obviously terrible, then why can't we tell that person such?

what kind of double standard is that? so i'm banned from opening peoples' threads and commenting if they're obviously "below me"?

not buying it

This thread is terrible and you should feel bad.

57170298 wrote:

Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."

57044478 wrote:

Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.

97820278 wrote:

Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you?
Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker.
Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.

I agree with Eon's sentiments on netdecking. I dunno why the stigma exists.

I'm a professional that works the typical 40 hours a week and I'm married. Maybe Joe Somebody has time to grind out rogue lists and tune it for FNM every week. I don't. So, I do the next best thing. I look at information based on performance of others and I let them do the testing and trials for me. I evaluate their results and make my decisions based on what I know about my own environment.

You may dislike my lack of creativity, but I dislike the stubborness (and ironically elitism) of these anti-netdeck guys. So, keep complaining and losing with style. I'll be here for you to yell at Monday morning for your weekly therapy.

You can call us elitists as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on here posting deck lists looking for help, aren't actually looking for help at all, but are rather looking for validation. They are looking for someone to call them a unique and special little snowflake because they chose to play 5cc or whatever other silly idea they have, instead of an established archetype (which most of them refer to as "netdecking").

The funny thing is you and BF are both posting your oppinions about new posters here not looking for other people to critique your oppinions but instead to validate your oppinions that new posters shouldn't be using the boards in the way that you don't intend them to be used. Then when others do come here to say your oppinions are bullshit you ignore them and wait for someone else to come post and validate your oppinions.