Clinton's Vice Presidential Campaign

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton gestures as she and Black Entertainment Television founder Robert Johnson take their seats for a Sunday morning service at Northminster Presbyterian Church in Columbia, S.C., January 13, 2008. (Reuters)

By Dan BalzHillary Clinton is "absolutely ready" to discuss the vice presidency with Barack Obama and has authorized supporters to encourage Obama to pick her if he feels that will help unify the party and help Democrats win the White House, according to Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television and a prominent Clinton supporter.

Johnson said he began discussing the vice presidency with Clinton last month and that they talked about it at a dinner in Puerto Rico last Saturday and again by phone and e-mail on Tuesday. "Let me be clear," Johnson said in a telephone interview Wednesday morning. "She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November."

Johnson launched an effort to create an Obama-Clinton ticket Wednesday morning with a letter to Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), who endorsed Obama on Tuesday morning. In the letter, Johnson said the best way to unify the party is with an Obama-Clinton ticket. "I believe that the most important step that you can take now is to encourage the Congressional Black Caucus to urge Senator Obama to select Senator Hillary Clinton as his Vice Presidential running mate," he wrote.

Johnson said he talked specifically with Clinton on Tuesday about his intentions. "She said, 'Go ahead,'" he recalled, although she asked that he wait until Wednesday to do so.

Johnson said he believes Clinton understands that is it important now for her to recognize Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee. "I think she recognizes that people want a definitive statement from her hailing Obama as the nominee and announcing that she is no longer in campaign mode," Johnson said.

Johnson said he and other Clinton allies would deliver that message to her as she contemplates her withdrawal. "As I believe she is interested in the vice presidency, she recognizes that is the first symbolic step..." he said. "If she wants to work with him as his vice president, she has to focus on getting him elected and not celebrating what has been a monumental achievement in her campaign. That's the message some of us will be saying to her now."

Johnson created an uproar last winter when he made what was interpreted as a thinly veiled reference to Obama's drug use as a youth and later apologized for the remark. The billionaire businessman is a longtime Clinton supporter and a confidant.

He said he began discussing the vice presidency with Clinton after the Indiana primary last month as part of a conversation about "what do we want to do if Barack Obama is the nominee." He said she has been consistent about her interest. Clinton, he added, did not ask him to launch his current effort, "but she knew I was doing it."

Whether Obama is interested is not known at this point, but Johnson said Clinton should be prepared soon to call Obama to sit down and begin discussing the vice presidency. "She's willing to sit down and make that historic coming-together happen," he said, adding that Clinton will have to "relate it to him in a way that makes him and his people comfortable."

One potential obstacle to an Obama-Clinton ticket is the role of former president Bill Clinton. Johnson said the two Clintons must first sort this out as a couple. "She has to say this is my time to do what I have to do for the country and the party. You've had your time... I've supported you and now you have to support me."

Beyond that, however, Johnson said Obama must be satisfied about what role the former president would play. "He can say to Hillary, 'I want you to be vice president. I don't want Bill to be vice president.'" he said. "I think Senator Obama has to lay down those markers and he's got to be comfortable that when Hillary says, 'I can deliver those things you're concerned about,' they should have a meeting of the minds."

Asked if there is a clear desire by Clinton to be vice president, he said, "That affirmative desire is with Hillary. That's clear. The question is, is there affirmative desire on the part of Senator Obama?"

who is JIMMY CARTER to say HILLARY shouldn't be VP? JIMMY is an old man and his brain is also OLD.He cant think well again to know that if the party is going to win,then the two of them must come together.....Or has he suddenly forgotten the run between him and TED KENNEDY?how he was running after kennedy in convention 1980...common you dnt listen to such a man...the worst democratic president ever in existence.they dont want obama there,so they prefer him trying and failing.they are just endolrsing him because they dont want the world to termed them RACIST and lose black votes in years to come.
ALL YOU ARE SEEN IS ALL GAME....LET obama try and fail then they can say guys(black) you have tried but fail......DUKAKIS refused to pick his opponent at democratic primaries but Senator Loyd Benson of Texas as his running mate and fail.if he had picked jesse jackson he would have like succeeded..........ALSO AL GORE who played against(distanced himself from clintons) CLINTONS and fail.remember anyone against the clintons die naturally politically..like bob dole,mondale,al gore and so on............OBAMA BLACKS THINK...They are not your friend and they want you to fail

she is to devisive to be in the vice presidents job get her out and forget her. we need a good clean vice president . not a bargainer. the job for vice is not to be bargained for . a person is to be asked without pressure to accept the vice job.

Hillary would not win an independent ticket and she is smart enough to know that. Most of her supporters will support Obama, and would do so even if she suddenly did run as an independent - because we don't want 4 more years of Republican rule.
The super delegates have made up their minds and there is not going to be any more waffle. We all know that to win we need to unite now. If we do that it shouldn't be hard to defeat McSame.

It is insulting to label all Hillary supporters as poor, uneducated and ignorant. Any criticism to Obarma is quickly dismissed as a racist remark. How can a potential president be such a crying baby hiding behind the skirt of racism. Racism can hurt people of any color, not only the black.

Dear Hillary, stand as an independent candidate. You will beat them hands down. Go for it!

Hi, This is Hillary Clinton. I just want to encourage my supporters to keep voicing their dissent. We are now trying to get our hands on this "whitey" tape, which should be enough to take out Obama and return the rightful nomination to me. Sexism cannot defeat us! We will push on!

"Operation-Chaos" was a "BIG" Mistake. Look at what Rush got us, both of 'em!!! That's the last time I'll substitute a radio DJ's opinion for my own. She's still buzzin around. We should have let her just whittle away....

Wow, it is really heartwrenching and sad to read all the negativity surrounding this country. All those who want to hate Mr. Obama has not themselves come up with any solutions on how to fix the mess we are in. The person who the country chooses to run things, should be someone who does not have their own agenda. It's not about her, it's about my young child having the freedom to choose which college he want to attend. Someone mentioned racism. Well, that is all this country has ever known. that same person who talks of racism is the same person who is so stuffed with hated they cannot see the things that good people are made of. Thank God I don't teach my child to hate someone just because of the color of their skin. All my life I've had to except what those who were in power threw at me. I've had racism in my face, and yet, someone has the nerve to now want to stand in my face and tell me that I'm this piece of ---- because I don't want to except anymore. I don't want to fight anymore, I just want to live my dreams just like my neighbors. Today is a proud day for not only Blacks in America, but for all those who have stood with us to fight for equality.

I hope that HRC does become a Liberman and take her polarizing a$$ out of the Democratic Party...she still WONT win! hahaha....ROFLMAO...half of the votes that she received were from operation CHAOS....and when the Repubs and the DNC gets finished with cleaning out her dirty a$$ closet with those library donors and all of Bill's shady a$$ business deals, and other people's little daughters that his a$$ have slept with and/or raped...Hillary won't even make it back to the senate!! I will be on the floor - HOLLERING!! Bring it on! I dare Hillary to become an Independent! The Independents DONT like her! The majority of them have voted for and supported Obama...And the other 1/2 of the dems that did vote for Hillary and were not Repubs from the operation Chaos jokesters are truly democrats! They will NEVER vote Independent. Hillary DOES not have all of the white voters they won't cross over..so the only group that she will get is the angry white old women and the racist men (not all of them) who wouldn't vote for a black man regardless who he was and don't like McCain and thank God that will only be about 1/4 of her overall supporters...so SEE YA!! Don't let the door Knob Hit cha!!!! You think that by twisiting Obama's arm to put the witch on a ticket is going to work. This has NEVER happened in history with all of the white presidential nominees...have they demanded that the opponent be brought on a ticket by way of a nasty petition by a bunch of disgruntle supporters!! ONLY to A BLACK MAN do they pull this ish!! This is B.S. the people will rise up against this...Hillary and her jerk a$$ supporters keep trying to pull a bunch of B.S. The witch lost. Let it go! Give it up and turn it loose...It's over...the show is over....the curtains up and all the clowns went the he$$ home! Da$$

Throughout the campaign Hillary used pasty white guys to put down Obama about his name, religion, and even made suggestive remarks about how white Philadelphians are not ready to vote for a black candidate. So far all her surrogates were whites. Even her surrogate Geraldine Ferraro made remarks about Obama's race. Now all of a sudden she wants a v.p. position and who does she use to send the message to Obama A black man. Where was BET Robert johnson when Geraldine Ferraro made those racist remarks? He did not support Obama. Now he wants Obama to listen to him and pick Hillary as his V.P. What a nerve Hillary has to specifically pick a black man to send the message to Obama about her readiness for V.P. post.
The problem with Hillary is that she is not sad that she lost. She is sad that she lost to a black man. Throughout the campaign she had so much disdain for Obama that she couldn't even mention his name. She will refer to him only as her opponent. Now she is not even able to congratulate him on his win.

I don't want Clinton on that ticket. They both ran great campaigns but the winner has the right to chose his/her running mate. It is an insult that HRC's supporters are trying to pry this woman onto the ticket! It's a slap in Obama's face that in less than 24 hours those barracudas (sp?) were signing a bogus petition demanding and hammering the media (because that's the only folks who's buying that Bull S), Obama and the DNC about puttingHillary on the ticket! Hillary made it clear that she and McCain were better suited to be President and Obama wasn't. She made it clear that Obama could not be the president and lacked experience and the mere insanity that she wishes and her supporters are demanding that she is put on a ticket is very disrespectful and leaves a very nasty, poor taste in the mouths of your loyal democrats and all of the many supporters of Obama, even those who aren't democrats! WE voted for change and chosed our candidate. We respect Mrs. Clinton but she wasn't the candiate that has won the nomination and the most pledged and super delegates. I am very concerned with the actions of Hillary's supporters and the behind the scenes arm twisting that she and her supporters are continuing to bestow upon Mr. Obama and the DNC. I don't understand why the leaders of the party aren't nipping this in the bud before this gets out of hand and drives the democratic party farther apart resulting in another Republican - George Bush policy maker being put back into the White House. It's quite obvious that Mrs. Clinton and her supporters are taking on the role of a certian type of ownership of the democratic party which is suppose to be for the people and by the people. As a lifelong democrat and a supporter of Mr. Bill Clinton's presidency, I am hurt and disgusted with how Mrs. Clinton ran her campaign and the various disengenous tactics which she and her campaign has used against a fellow democrat. I would hate to think that this is being done to Mr. Obama because he's an African America. I can't think of anytime in American history where a candidate was nominated and within less than 24 hours, the loosing candidate's supporters and superdelegates demanded that he/she be brought onto that ticket! This is an autracity. It's obvious that HRC and her supporters don't care about the big picture..the U.S.A., poverty, foreclosures, gas prices, economy, global relationships, the war on Iraq. This race isn't about Obama and it certianly isn't about Hillary Clinton. Putting Hillary on that ticket doesn't represent any type of change. We the voters, voted for Obama because he represents CHANGE. This petition going around from Hillary's supporters represent another tactic of arm twisting and is very demeaning to Mr. Obama and his supporters. With all due respect, Mrs. Pelosi, I urge you as the Speaker of the House to please address this as soon as possible before Mr. Obama ends up loosing a lot of his supporters. Thanks for your understanding.

Hillary can pull a Joe Liberman on the DNC! Just mentioning she is thinking of switching will increase her leverage 100%.

INDEPENDENT HILLARY can switch from Democrat to an Independent candidate and possibly be elected President of the United States of America with 35% of the vote while the socialist puppet Obama is left muttering to the left and MoveOn has moved on.

The DNC was not loyal to her as a Democrat presidential candidate...so why should she be loyal to the party?

If the blacks decide to demonstrate and torch American cities because "their man" did not get elected this will leave no doubt in the minds of American citizens who the racists are.

Hillary arriving as THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE at the Democrat National Convention in Colorado with her 18 million plus votes and delegates (211 less than Obama) will be a stroke of genius. She has 5 more months to 'git er done'.

Whether she wins or not and gives McCain the White House...the DNC and Obama will regret dissing her. In any event, if she does not pull this off as an Independent, she will be the big boss over the Senate and have her pick of committees.

Posted by: Nancy, Florida | June 5, 2008 12:03 PM "She has to give this up entirely. ... what is she trying to do?

Take your head out of your a## and read a paper once in a while. She is not "withdrawing" from the campaign because she would not be able to continue raising money to pay off her campaign debts. By "suspending" her campaign, she can accept donations to pay off her debtors, or would you prefer she stiff them?

She has to give this up entirely. It is the nominee's decision. Now she is not taking off her name for the nomination at the convention. People do not trust her any longer, what is she trying to do? Does she have hopes something will happen? Or is she hoping those super delegates will go back to her? In view of what she is doing she is not really offering her full support to OBama. How can anyone believe her support if she fails to do these things. Personally, I am getting so frustrated and offended with her shenanigans and different ploys that any respect I did have for her is gone. I am tired of her games and her surrogates lying and game playing. She will do anything to mar Obama's candidacy and will do anything to mar his presidency. I hope the DNC is getting equally disgusted with her.

Picking BILLARY Clinton as VP (with BUBBA Clinton in tow) is the logical equivalent to choosing a SPITTING COBRA as a room mate -- you are NEVER so sure when the spitting or the biting will happen and kill you.

But you know the "D" for "deadly" day is coming, and when it does, you get poison in your blood stream -- whether by being spat on or bitten!

Who respects what Johnson said. He can not support Senator Obama because he resents what Obama represents. The possiblity of Commander-In-Chief. He is the typical oreo and no one cares what he or Tavis Smiley have to comment. Envy is a miserable condition of life regardless of how much money one has. Hillary has already proven this point. Everyone should learn how to practice humility from Senator Obama. I admire him more than any African American or Black man during this century. He is a brillant, wise, humble and handsome young man. I wish him the absolute best of everything.

Shane Surface WV,
You are delusional and very misinformed to believe that Obama will not get anything through Congress without Hillary. The truth is they do not like her in Congress. She and her husband are strongly unfavored. It is only the poor uneducated white working class females under $50,000, wanna be feminist demographic that votes for her, as a vote against Senator Obama. He does not need her for anything. he beat the old Clinton Machine and will select a VP who is trustworthy, holds his same views, respectful of him,and non-combative. He is a man of wisdom, nice, but not easily deceived. No one will arm wrestle him for the VP as she is trying to do. Hillary would not guard his back and she is NEVER to be trusted as his VP or anything else regarding him. We all have read about the Clinton body count, Ron Brown etc. No way in this life. By the way, he will win the presidency whether her supporters vote for him or not. The momentum will triple since he has earned the nomination. It was never about Hillary. Senator Obama's advent is providential and don't mistake this to mean the anti-christ who will not appear for some time yet. More specifically his appearance will emerge from the East. Additionally, anyone who would be so spiteful to vote for McCain really is uneducated,

VPs candidates are of no consequence. Michael Dukakis (sp?) had Loyd Benson as his running mate. One could not have found a better running mate. Bush had Dan Quayle. It made no difference. A great VP running mate will not help you win the election. A bad VP running mate will not hurt you in the election. The real question is what happens after you are elected and whether the VP will help or be a hinderance.

CAVEAT EMPTOR! Obama was created by the Wizard of Chicago, campaign strategist, David Axelrod. The same creator of a former South-Side Chicagoan, Deval Patrick, the governor of Massachusetts A campaign of CHANGE and HOPE..including the verbatim speeches of Deval Patrick. Obama's strategy is the same-old, recycled and passed-on platform of the Patrick campaign........
Massachusetts Democrats were all excited about this "Different" candidate, this "Historic" candidate, this candidate that was going to "change" things. His rhetoric soared. He asked people to "believe". He eluded to people like JFK, RFK and MLK as if he and his "Words" belonged in in their league. Deval Patrick made plenty of Hope-y Change-y promises and the people of Massachusetts fell for it. They were going to get a new kind of leader, a different kind of politics. What they got instead was a wimp who caved in on every single issue he promised to address.... No surprise to anybody who sees through catchy, mesmerizing rhetoric with precious few details, Deval Patrick is a dismal disappointment to Massachusetts. His flowery speeches and promises have turned out to be Just Words as, issue by issue, Patrick has proven to be either a coward, a liar or inept....

Fool Me Once Shame on You....Fool Me Twice Shame on Me.

(1.)TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION.......... (2.)WRITEHILLARYIN.COM .............
(3.)RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT

Reading these comments, it strikes me how some (note, I say "some") Hillary supporters -- the dead-end freakazoids -- are reinforcing many negative female stereotypes.

Do you not realize how you appear?

It's time to grow up and recognize that the world does not necessarily have to conform to your wishes, and the fact that it does not does not necessarily demonstrate that the world is full of rampant male chauvinism. Lots of women dislike Hillary. Consider the possibility that she just ran a bad campaign and that she is not universally liked by many people who are acting in good faith.

Jamal........Your racist remarks sure make Hillary supporters want to support Obama. NOT! "pasty white"?? Obama supporters have perpetuated this race card but we don't buy into it. Go it alone. I will never vote for a "non-pasty white" Obama!

Throughout the campaign Hillary used pasty white guys to put down Obama about his name, religion, and even made sugestive remarks about how white Philadelphians are not ready to vote for a black candidate. So far all her surrogates were whites. Even her surrogate Geraldine Ferraro made remarks about Obama's race. Now all of a sudden she wants a v.p. position and who does she use to send the message to Obama. A black man. Where was BET Robert johnson when Geraldine Ferraro made those racist remarks? He did not support Obama. Now he wants Obama to listen to him and pick Hillary as his V.P. What a nerve Hillary has to specifically pick a black man to send the message to Obama about her readiness for V.P. post.

The problem with Hillary is that she is not sad that she lost. She is sad that she lost to a black man. Throughout the campaign she had so much disdain for Obama that she couldn't even mention his name. She will refer to him only as her opponent. Now she is not even able to congratulate him on his win.

Hillary lost Obama won. Now we need to come together and do so very quickly. Obama and Hillary have the exact same policy agendas so there is no reason these two cannot work together. Hillary brings 17.5 million voters and experience to Obama's change, inspiration, and youth. The next generation is poised to take the helm but they should take a little help from the last generation so the same mistakes of the past are not repeated. Take advice and help from those who have been there and done that. She also has a lot of procedural experience in the white House and the Senate that could really help Obama who has not yet completed his first term in the senate and he has not lived in the White House for 8 years as she has. Hillary has a lot of experience to share and Obama has a lot of youthful enthusiasm and some great ideas to bring to a new White House. Let's join together in this democratic party and make history twice, the first black president and the first female vice president. Let's all vote in November and let's remember as a Hillary supporter and a women that the most important difference between Obama and McCain is that Obama will apoint nominees to the Supreme Court that are pro-choice while McCain will apoint conservatives that could overturn Roe vs. Wade. The overturn of Roe vs. Wade would be devastating. We would have women getting abortions in back rooms illegally and unsafely. Womens health would suffer greatly. Let's move forward together and not backwords.

I liked Obama at first. Hope, Dream! I listened to his speeches, waiting and waiting for what the change was going to be! He said "change Washington" no specifics! I was open minded listened to more, same , nothing! I was , and still am Astounded, the candidate of change, is running with the oldest Dinosours around, Kennedys, and Kerry! I thought, the 90s were pretty good, the 60s, not so, and why hillary did not call Obama, on this, I guess is that she thought, the Kennedys, were her freinds, wich, was the Most serious judjement error, she has ever made, they are murderers, rapists, adulterers, and that is saying the good things of the ones living, now ! (not JFK, Or Jackie,or the deceased ones)Then there was Oprah! Now alot of people, love her, that is true! But just as many, laugh when they hear someone say she is so smart, to! Oprah, by name to as many peple as watch her, means, Dumb! I see it every day! So he got the most loved and reviled Democratic family behind hin, Obama, did, and the most loved and disliked woman, to! When the Kennedys backed Obama, in Massachusets, I knew right then and there, Hillary wins that state!!!!!! But sadly Obama supporters, it does come down, to judjement, about his war vote, he has none, except to consistentally BACK, the troops war funding, and all bills Hillary did, to! But I am talking Real Important judjement! Things that tell us who YOU are, not votes! Votes are issues, decisions, some made right, some wrong, but all candidates, think they are right when the vote is cast! however, I can Proudly say, as a Democrat, The president, George Bush, also John McCain, and Hillary Clinton, all I have not 1% doubt in my heart, and I very much dislike Bush, Would never sit throught a church sermon, belittling blacks, latinos, wemen, jews, heck, not even gays or lesbians! (all groups i have no problems with) As much as I dislike Bush, Obama was not for sure right about one thing, he said "all 3 of us would be a better President then George Bush" 2 would, Clinton, and McCain! Bush may have Bad judgement, but he has morals, and principals, wich is obviously something Obama, lacks, severly! Oh, the things that will be coming out about him, soon, will make all this pale! Hillary, do not DISGRACE Yourself, and be his VP, run, girl, run from this Obama, do not be nothing to us as he is to us, we have serious issues with this, do not also disqualify yourself, from the highest office in the land! God Bless John McCain, and if all was just, we wish for HIM (not Obama) to take Hillary as His VP! you, Hillary, you CAN, accept, that!, with our blessings!!!!

""IMHO, you are wrong, she can win in NY from here until eternity and all she needs to do is be a little less than enthusiastic about Obama to hurt his chances""

So, you agree that she is BLACKMAILING Obama using the Party as a HOSTAGE !!!?

Nevertheless, you seem to continue to support her !!

OBAMA, if he submits to such outrage, would
document that he iswilling to go along with the Washington style of polical manuevering, this will strip him from his
"New approach" and "Hope" perception and the loss of the election will be ensured !

For Bodo... I think you are right, and it should worry the Obama camp... Even if Hillary were to accept the VP I would not vote for Obama the black man because of all the mean, nasty things said of Hillary supporters by Obama supporters... She did not concede to Obama last night because she wanted to give her supporters a chance to grasp what just happened to her camp, and set aside any bitterness they had when their candidate lost the primary election. If all you Obama folks would have just let it rest for a few days, we may have come to realize it did not matter who the nominee was, we just wanted to take back the White House, but with all this bitterness about us from you folks, Obama will have to convince us he deserves the highest office of the free world. I don't think that is going to happen, not here not now...Not this time...(sound familiar)

Bob Johnson is one of those businessmen that wants an Ambassadorship--probably Barbados or another Caribbean island where he runs his regional Caribbean lottery business (one of many). He is also one of those spotlight hugging posers who likes people to think he has political acumen. Johnson is a fake to those who really know him. Excellent contacts and friends in high places, but still a fake.

I don't agree with you. Parasite would win not so many states as Obama made. Linda, I find that your ideas and thoughts needing of changes. Turn on page linda! Yesterday was past. Today is new day. Hillary is not She-Ra: Princess of power.

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama's election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 - 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the "Hillarians" was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Hillary Clinton has a platform that she deeply believes in and a few voters behind her. There is nothing unusual in politics to take that platform and those voters to be heard. Jessie Jackson took his to the convention for the same reason with far less votes . Just because you think it is Hillary Clinton or maybe even a woman, she should roll over and play dead.
I personally don't care who Obama picks as a VP. He will need someone with far more experience to manage the senate. That would be Hillary Clinton. However, I also beleive that Obama is a one way passage on the Titanic for the general election. I am sorry he is no Abraham Lincoln. We have seen his "judgment" of people just get indicted. We have seen how "Mr. I didn't know", happens to know quite a bit and most of it isn't good. We have seen how Mr. Healer let his constituents freeze in the winter while his friend of good judgment and now convicted Rezko stole the tax payers money for Obama's benefit. Obama is a typical political parasite.

The second one has no real political experience outside of Illinois. He is tall and lanky with big ears. He even lost a few of his first attempts at gaining political office. He is an excellent speechwriter and orator. He is a good attorney and has a successful law practice.
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The problem is, Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter and does not have a successful law practice. You also left out the fact that Lincoln served in Congress and was a Captain in the Illinois militia.

Obama was a street person "communuty organizer" until he went to work as a part-time legislator in Illinois. His first fulltime job began when he entered the US Senate in 2005. He has sponsored and passed 1 bill in the 3 years he's been there. In other words, he's a lazy pretender who's managed to con people all of his life! That includes you!

You just keep thinking that way, Obamabot. Hillary is going to pull a Tonya Harding on Obama around the convention and you won't even know it was her that did it. Why do YOU think she is floating the idea around that she wants the VP slot? Has Obama given you enough latitude in your programming to answer this question?

Good God! Hillary should not come within two feet of the toxic Obama. No, no, no!! Do not accept the VP spot. Obama is a radical, corrupt, racist who will soon be exposed! Stay away, Hillary, or your reputation will be ruined!

The first one has one of the longest lines of political experience in history. He is exceedingly popular in congress. He was a soldier who volunteered to defend the United States in the Navy.

The second one has no real political experience outside of Illinois. He is tall and lanky with big ears. He even lost a few of his first attempts at gaining political office. He is an excellent speechwriter and orator. He is a good attorney and has a successful law practice.

So which one would you choose?

This is a trick question because both were already Presidents of the United States. The first one is the 15th President of the United States, James Buchannan. He is the President who mired us in the Civil War by declaring the action illegal but doing nothing when the south decided to seceed from the Union. He is largely considered by historians as being the worst President in American history.

He was followed by the other man who became the 16th President of the United States: Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln is credited with the end of slavery, the end of the Civil War, and unification of the nation. He became president at a dark time when our country was deeply divided over very polarizing issues. He had no experience in Washington prior to his Presidency. He is widely considered by historians as one of the best Presidents in American History.

Do you remember of She-Ra? I find that Hillary Clinton and some her supporters think that she is She-Ra: Princess of Power. She-Ra a heroic female and sister of He-Man. Only She-Ra can to destroy Hordak and Horde Troopers (republicans). Only She-Ra can to free the planet Etheria (USA) from the dictator Evil Horde (Bush). Because just she is granted the Sword of Protection, which parallels He-Man's own sword, and gained the power to transform into She-Ra. She has superhuman strength and is highly resistant to damage. She also possesses superhuman speed and agility, a healing touch, as well as the ability to speak with animals telepathically. All her powers derive from the mystical Power of Grayskull (White House).
It's time of this novel "Hillary agree or not agree be VP" to have end. And it is very funning and already becoming ridiculous too. There are many strong and important democrats that can be VP of Obama and include a woman. If Hillary continues in this nonsense game, all we will pass to believe that the priest Pfleger was totally right when said in his sermon:
"We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head.... [W]hen Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's [Bill Clinton's]wife. I'm white. And this is mine. I just got to get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'hey, I'm Barack Obama.' And she said, 'Oh damn, where did you come from? I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show.'" Pfleger then mimicked Mrs. Clinton crying as the audience gave him a standing ovation. Added Pfleger: "She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people cryin'."

It would be a HUGE mistake for Obaa to pick Clinton as VP. At one point I thought it might work but no longer. Hillary proved on Tuesday night, it is all about HER and not the party - being VP would be about HER and not the country or the Democrats. It would be too much of a distraction for Obama to run a campaign nationally to have her on the ticket.

What do you think HER rabid supporters are going to do when Obama chooses someone else and delivers one last insult to their liberal god? They are going to go insane and it will happen just before the convention and she will have her rabid supporters in that convention too.
Posted by: obiewan |

And will these be the same dozen or so that showed up at the DNC RBC meeting? You are an IDIOT!

To those of you who ask us to come together to support the Democratic party these are the facts. This is no longer the party of FDR and Jack Kennedy. I went to DC naive and came back with my eyes wide open. How dare the democratic party throw the best qualified candidate in a decade out the window for an affirmation action nobody and his racist wife. Hillary Clinton has worked long and hard as have her supporters for the party. The fiasco in Washington this weekend was democracy at its worst. We might as well be living in Bagdad. It is not the will of the people but the special interests and democracy with a small d. This is no longer democracy with a capital d. I will no longer refer to the democratic party with a capital d. It is dictatorship and audacity to present us with such an unqualified candidate. Obama and supporters were shouting the will of the people until they could only win with the super delegates and now that it is a given it is fine for the supers to steal the election as long as it is stolen for Obama. It is time for a real 3rd party. The democrats have sealed their fate and Patriots will leave the democrats in droves to reregister as independents.

Do you remember of She-Ra? I find that Hillary Clinton and some her supporters think that she is She-Ra: Princess of Power. She-Ra a heroic female and sister of He-Man. Only She-Ra can to destroy Hordak and Horde Troopers (republicans). Only She-Ra can to free the planet Etheria (USA) from the dictator Evil Horde (Bush). Because just she is granted the Sword of Protection, which parallels He-Man's own sword, and gained the power to transform into She-Ra. She has superhuman strength and is highly resistant to damage. She also possesses superhuman speed and agility, a healing touch, as well as the ability to speak with animals telepathically. All her powers derive from the mystical Power of Grayskull (White House).

It's time of this novel "Hillary agree or not agree be VP" to have end. And it is very funning and already becoming ridiculous too. There are many strong and important democrats that can be VP of Obama and include a woman. If Hillary continues in this nonsense game, all we will pass to believe that the priest Pfleger was totally right when said in his sermon: "We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head.... [W]hen Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's [Bill Clinton's]wife. I'm white. And this is mine. I just got to get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'hey, I'm Barack Obama.' And she said, 'Oh damn, where did you come from? I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show.'" Pfleger then mimicked Mrs. Clinton crying as the audience gave him a standing ovation. Added Pfleger: "She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people cryin'."

Hey there you rabid Obamabot, Hillary is going to pull Obama over the cliff with her and she is setting him up RIGHT NOW. He will spend weeks deciding on a VP and we all know it won't be Hillary. There is ZERO chance of it. Now when will he make his decision public? It will be slightly before the convention. Now just imagine all the frenzy the press will generate over Hillary being his possible choice and all the time she is putting word out that she wants the slot. What do you think HER rabid supporters are going to do when Obama chooses someone else and delivers one last insult to their liberal god? They are going to go insane and it will happen just before the convention and she will have her rabid supporters in that convention too. Hillary wants him limping out of the convention just like she knee capped him this week. You Obamabots had better pull your heads out of his a$$ and walk in the real world. What are you going to do if McCain wins in November? Are you going to be so dumbfounded that you will wonder out into traffic? You do realize you and most of his supporters look like Jim Jones' lemmings? BTW, you might want to check my grammar just in case you need to nitpick about something.

Hillary is blackmailing Obama for the VP spot. It is like "I get the VP, or else."
She is extending the fight even though she has lost. I bet Obama camp doesn't like that at all. The issue now is how to say NO. This is a lose-lose situation for the Democratic party. Too bad. The two can never make a good team.

Gorgegirl, How in the heck can you say that the media was favoring Obama, when for an entire year the media was saying that Hillary would be everyone in the race and that Senator Obama didn't stand a chance. This race was hers to lose, heck apparently his Harvard education paid off, he out stratergized her at her own game because she throught the contest would be over on Super Tuesday because she blew off the caucus states. So don't blame the media and Senator Obama because his time was better organized and the fact that he didn't go negative like she and Bill did. Kama is a B isn't it. She may have been the VP if she hadn't pulled the crap she pulled last night where even her own supporters in the political arena turned on her. Stop drinking the hateraid, it will only give you wrinkles and an ulcer.

I think a lot of self appointed pundits have missed one huge issue: Michelle. The AP photo of her glaring, just seething with hatred, during Hillary's speech says it all. Michelle's gaffes, even to date, have not portended well for Obama. She's the black Hillary, and doesn't even recognize it. While I think Obama is super cool in most instances, Michelle is the IED waiting to blow his campaign. The PC Dems have not looked hard enough. So, any thought of Hillary is VP is a joke, because Michelle hates not just average white folks, but especially Hillary and Bill. Oh, well. What can you do. The DNC has always snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And, please, spare the whine about Cindy McCain. She's the regular First Lady type, not a Ivy Lawyer seeking to bring socialism to a White House near you. And, I think Obama is not all bad, but, man, talk about choices: Michelle, Ayers, Wright, Pfleger, etc etc. Geez, it's a Black Panther reunion mixed with a 60's burnout convention. Oy.

Caroline Kennedy, Washington outsider but with huge name recognition, would be a great VP for Obama. He's asked her to vet potential running mates. Here's some biographical info:

Kennedy is an attorney, editor, and writer. She graduated from Radcliffe College/Harvard University and Columbia Law School.

Kennedy and Ellen Alderman have written two books together on civil liberties:

* In Our Defense: The Bill of Rights In Action (1990) and
* The Right to Privacy (1995)

On her own, she has edited these New York Times best-selling volumes:

* A Patriot's Handbook
* The Best-Loved Poems of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
* A Family of Poems: My Favorite Poetry for Children
* Profiles in Courage for Our Time

She is one of the founders of the Profiles in Courage Award, given annually to a person who exemplifies the type of courage examined in her father's Pulitzer Prize-winning book of the same name. The award is generally given to elected officials who, acting in accord with their conscience, risk their careers by pursuing a larger vision of the national, state or local interest in opposition to popular opinion or powerful pressures from their constituents. In May 2002, she presented an unprecedented Profiles in Courage Award to representatives of the NYPD, the New York City Fire Department, and the military as representatives of all of the people who acted to save the lives of others during the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.[1]

Kennedy is currently President of the Kennedy Library Foundation, a Director of both the Commission on Presidential Debates and of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and Honorary Chairman of the American Ballet Theatre. Kennedy is also an adviser to the Harvard Institute of Politics, a living memorial to her father.

In addition, Kennedy has represented her family at the funeral services of former Presidents Ronald Reagan in 2004 and Gerald Ford in 2007, and at the funeral service of former First Lady Lady Bird Johnson in 2007.

Caroline Kennedy also represented her family at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Center and Park in Little Rock, Arkansas in November, 2004.

Posted by: Jeff Crocket | June 4, 2008 8:06 PM
Hillary is still trying to control things and she won't quit. VP is out of the question for most rational people.

Go home Hillary!!
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This type of crap posted by arrogant, nasty Obama supporters is exactly why Obama isn't going to get the Clinton supporters. Not only did he run a racist campaign, but he had the media in his pocket and lots of nasty supporters. I hope you remember this when he can't do the job you are trying to hire him to do.

Although the Obama supporters like to continue calling people racists and hurling hates at Hillary they are supposed to be supporting a uniter. What is wrong with that senario? They are really as foul as the candidate they support. Too stupid to realize that Obama cannot win without her support. Obama will only use her to gain the election in November. He is not worthy of being a president and the Democratic party no longer has the allegiance of true Patriots and has shown special interests above the betterment of this nation. We can not in good conscience vote for that person even if Hillary were on the ticket. So Obamaites do not fear that we would want our principled candidate to associate with your arrogant, racist, affirmative action nobody. There is no way in Hades that we can vote for that person.

IMHO, you are wrong, she can win in NY from here until eternity and all she needs to do is be a little less than enthusiastic about Obama to hurt his chances. If Obama had beaten her 80-20 he could drop her like yesterdays news. If he had beaten her 60-40 he would have add some of her concerns to his platform to appease her and keep the convention from being a mess, and gather up support from her voters.

Neither of those thing happened though, he beat her 51-49 which means that she, can, will and should be looking over his shoulder from here to the convention, and should be #1 contender for the VP spot.

There are lots of posts on here saying that Hillary Clinton is "demanding" that she be VP. Actually, I think that is more a goal of Bob Johnson and Bill Clinton than it is Hillary's. However, she would probably like an appointment for the Supreme Court. And, we women would like that as well.

Here it is 24 hours after Obama won the assumptive democratic Presidential nominee and all you people can talk about is Hillary Clinton and the Vice Presidency, you sure did take the moment away from Senator Obama. I suppose after the November election all you will do is talk about Obama's loss to McCain and take the moment away from McCain.

I am an ardent Hillary supporter, but even I am glad that this nomination process is finally over. I firmly believe that Hillary would have been the better choice for the country at this crucial time, but certainly Obama is better than McCain!

I hope that Hillary does NOT become VP! I'm disappointed that she indicated that she's interested. She already had a subordinate role in the White House...why would she want another? She should either wait to try again in 4 or 8 years (depending on circumstances) or work to make a positive legacy in the Senate. Whatever she decides, she most certainly has my support!

Obama has earned the right to pick his own VP. He managed a successful campaign that WON!! HRC did OBAMA a disservice when she did not recognize him as the nominee last night. All day today, her surrogates are still touting this popular vote issue even though the calculations are fuzzy. Bob Johnson lost his credibility when he denigrated Obama on the campaign trail. It is laughable how far HRC and her supporters are willing to go to undermine OBAMA as strong nominee. She continued to let the news coverage to be all about her today. SELFISH! SELFISH! SELFISH! She said at the beginning that she was in it to win it. In it..for her personal ambition. She knew for weeks that the math did not add up!! She had plenty of time to reconcile that fact before she made that speech last night. She is not a team player! Her behavior demonstrates that she is out of step with the message of OBAMA.

If Obama picks Clinton as VP, it will be hilarious to see the left drooling over her and doing prostrations in her presence. Especially after the savaging she received for having the audacity to challenge the messiah.

She will have made the remarkable transformation from left wing super goddess to republican attack machine back to left wing super goddess. It will be kabuki theater at its best.

As far as she goes - if and when she admits she is toast - watch her drop Bill like a bad habit. He will have outlived his usefulness by that point and she is not interested in competition over the female staff members.

I have testicular fortitude much like Hillary. So I am asking all of Hillary's supporters to please continue to support the "Party". I strongly I understand your loss and I know this process can not be easy for you especially at this moment in time. Whether Hillary was my choice or not, I want you to know there are many Dem's who have empathy for her and her supporters. You fought one h** of a battle, that's for sure. Pat yourselves on the back, cause you sure earned it.

Edwards left the race and asked his supporters to support Obama and I'm hoping Hillary and her supporters do the same.

All of us need to stick together. We need each other, so please think about it for the sake of the party.

If Senator Clinton should choose the surly route - that is, if not picked as his running mate, refusing to actively support his candidacy (despite her repeated pledge of support during the campaign) - she'll never run for dog-catcher in this town again. She knows it, Obama knows it. He can pick whomever he likes, no problem.

Treetopflyer wrote: The percentage of the uncommitted vote expressing a preference for Obama in the exit polling, plus 30,000 uncounted write-in ballots, all indicate that if there had been no scheduling hanky-panky with its repercussions Obama would have had enough votes there to clinch a majority overall.
Your forgetting that in Michigan Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, and Bill Richardson were on the ballot, Obama and Edwards took their names off the ballot, so the 30,000 uncommitted votes should have been divided among those four candidates, not all of them going to Obama.

This blog saddens me. I voted for Clinton and I'm fully prepared to vote for Obama in the Fall. But I feel that I have been so verbally assaulted by Obama supporters. It sickens me. Please don't talk me into not voting this Fall. Turn your language around. Include me in your party. Or, I might be one vote that you won't get. And don't worry about McCain getting my vote. He never will.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Mrs. Clinton's racist voters would change their mind to vote for a Black candidate. By putting her on his ticket, he would betray the millions of Americans who voted for his message of hope and change.

The more that Hillary makes these self-serving maneuvers to force herself into the Executive Office, the more she reveals how petty she and her philandering husband really are. Every day she continues to alienate more and more Democratic voters with her inability to be a team player and see a greater good. When will it end? I haven't seen this type of political desperation since Nixon's denial refused to let him resign the presidency.

Please, Lord, spare us from Hillary as VP. The country can't stand having three people (Barrack, Hillary, and Bill) running around the world thinking and acting like they are President and speaking for the US. The drama associated with Hillary as VP is bad enough, but can you imagine Bill Clinton floating around the West Wing with nothing to do? Obama doesn't need that kind of help

Losing the general election or having Hillary and Bill looking over your shoulders for 4 years as VP and VP spouse. I'd prefer to lose the election. Hillary hasn't conceded yet even though Obama has the nomination. She's out for herself and the party be damned.

It's foolish to try to gauge the general election based on primary results. There's five months (oy) left until the general--that's a lifetime when you consider the dynamic nature of politics. Plenty of time for McBush to bury himself. Plenty of time for Obama to meet and engage people who think they couldn't vote for him. Plenty of time for HRC to implode.

If it's not you, you should give her a call you'll have lots to RANT about. Maybe you can share a padded room together and wear matching canvas sweaters with wrap-around sleeves!
To the rest of the Clinton supporters, we know you're not all crazy, don't let the vocal minority define you... vote the issues!

JFK, RFK and MLK are spinning in their graves at this very moment because all of you Obama vs Clinton and Clinton vs Obama voters are screaming and fighting. This is a democracy, 36 million people voted in these primary and caucus states and the super delegates choose Obama. Hillary Clinton will not accept the Vice Presidency under Obama, she can do more good for this country by being the Senator from NY. Everyone knows the President does not make law and policy, the Senate and House do. The President can either sign the bill into legislation or veto it. The President gets to drive around in a gas guzzling limo and fly around in a gas guzzling plane, he gets to have a vacation home built by the taxpayers (remember Crawford) He gets to hang out at Camp David. He gets to live in a big beautiful White House but he doesn't get to change anything. Your choice on who you want to vote for in November....or stay home... but quit beating yourself up over this, Nothing will change in Washington, too many lobbyist with too much money.. Where were you people the last half century, not interested in Washington that's for sure.

Hey there English professor, good catch. I guess if you can't refute the message you can always crack on the grammar. You are the idiot if you think I am a Hillary supporter. LOL!

Posted by: obiewan | June 4, 2008 6:51 PM

Well, here's a refutation of the logic REPUBLICAN DUMBASS. Hypothetical elections don't count. And you're also the GENIUS that posted this?:

" Hillary doesn't want the VP slot. She has set the stage for Obama to piss off her supporters one last time by saying she would take it knowing full well that he will NEVER offer it. He chooses a VP just before the convention and that action whips her supporters into a frenzy at just the right moment to deliver Obama a fatal wound in Denver. She has played a brilliant move, IMO. Whether you lover her or hate her you have to admire the savvy she has to manipulate the process to her advantage. "
Posted by: obiewan

SOLID ARGUMENT THERE FREAKTARD, B/C how are her supporters going to deliver a 'final blow' nearly three months from now when they couldn't do it over the past five months?

And, if true, it is nothing more than another one of her 'brilliant moves' in a long line of 'brilliant moves' that lost her the nomination when she was an over 20 point favorite to win it five months ago.

'Brilliant, savvy manipulator of the process to her advantage'? HMMM, NOT!

An Obama-Clinton "nightmare ticket" -- as President Carter calls it -- would betray the message of hope and change of the Obama campaign. It would mean a return to old-style politicking and the death of hope for change. There is absolutely no reason to assume that such a dirty deal would make Mrs. Clinton's racist followers change their mind and vote for a black candidate.

I trust that Obama campaign will not be blackmailed into such a foul arrangement. There are plenty of excellent candidates for the Vice Presidency.

What HILLARY is doing now is OUTRAGEOUS and the Media by not pointing to it is equally OUTRAGEOUS.

She seems clearly intended to withheld her real support of OBAMA, by convincing her fanatic supporters to vote for him in November, until he agrees to GIVE HER WHAT SHE IS ASKING FOR (VP AND/OR OTHER), SO HOLDING THE PARTY AS HOSTAGE !!

CAN A PERSON LIKE HER BE ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT AND EVEN SENATOR ??

WOW, some of these comments are out of this world and really distressing. So much anger, hatred, racism and discontent. I knew things were bad, but I didn't realize just how bad. Can't we all just get along? It really doesn't look that way.

NYT, check it out.
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There is a God.

After last night I was getting ready today to write the superdelegates, asking them to switch their votes to Clinton because I thought she'd won the popular vote. A careful look at the Michigan exit polls today convinced me otherwise and saved me from a foolish (and futile) decision.

God bless Obama, God bless the USA and God bless the poor, suffering planet Earth which will soon have relief from the Crawford idiot.

I found out over the last weekend that New York private schools no longer allow nuts on the premises. The same should be adopted for the White House.

serious question - what percentage of the "16 million" who voted for hillary are regular democrats who will now just vote for the nominee, and what percentage would be those nutjob "we was robbed i'm voting for mccain" types?

Another View - Obama DID win fair and square. He not only did it within the rules, but even if the Rules and Bylaws Committee had given Hillary everything she wanted she would have lost in the pledged delegates. The percentage of the uncommitted vote expressing a preference for Obama in the exit polling, plus 30,000 uncounted write-in ballots, all indicate that if there had been no scheduling hanky-panky with its repercussions Obama would have had enough votes there to clinch a majority overall. The ones who weren't fair and square were the ones who screwed with the scheduling and muddied the waters.

Um, is this the same Robert Johnson who announced at a Clinton event before the SC primary that the current Nominee was too much like the guy in "Look Who's Coming to Dinner" to be President? That is, an uppity naive Negro intellectual. If HRC needs the VP slot, she can, in part, thank her man Johnson.

I hope when Johnson comes begging for the VP job for Massa C that Obama snatches the handkerchief off his head and sends him back home with the news about who is in charge of the party now.

Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama, there really is no need to have Hillary as a VP option, since it would bring in no support from her team, and would lose support from the Obama team.

Hillary has no value to the democrats at this point, due to her supporters.

I don't understand it. How can anyone think it's a good idea for the nominee to make his first and most consequential decision by giving in to blackmail, which is EXACTLY the scenario proposed by those who are threatening to vote for McCain if Bam doesn't pick HRC?

Doesn't set a very smart precedent does it?

Do you also believe that the US should cut the phone lines to Iran, Syria, and other hostage-taking nations and simply never talk to them?

Can someone please explain the logic? It's unbelievably playground and frankly unbefitting of a former first lady or aspiring candidate for the presidency.

One problem. What are you going to do with those 17,800,000 pi**ed off Hillary voters. 300,000 More than Obama.

Posted by: | June 4, 2008 6:48 PM
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Teach them math. Like how to include caucus states. Or the 35% of voters exit polled in Michigan who said they'd have voted for Obama if they could have. Or a significant portion of the uncounted 30,000 write-in ballots cast by people insulted by the "uncommitted" option who wanted to make their wishes known.

Just reading all of these comments is really frightening... Obama won the election (maybe not fair and square) but this is what we have to work with.. You can either vote for him, vote for McCain or stay home in November, your choice, but lets not get all worked up and red in the face, we have 5 months to get a grip, then decide where you want this country to go..

Robert Johnson?!? Robert Johnson, 'founder' of BET, is pushing for Clinton as VP because he knows which side his bread is buttered on. That would be: any politician who favors tax cuts for the rich, sleazy business dealings, exploitation of ethnic division and (his favorite pastime) riding to the hounds in Virginia horse country. That is the type of individual whose interests Hillary Clinton represents and why the DNC should find a spine for once and force her to exit.

Everyone should go to Clinton's website and take up her invitation to send her a message: tell her to concede and actually campaign for Obama immediately

Tom 3 Get a life.... Hillary was the only democratic candidate running from the beginning that was qualified for the presidency.....Obama wasn't even qualified as a Chicago organizer... there is way too much crime in Chicago...I will vote for McCain in November cause he will only stay for 4 years and Hillary can start her 2012 campaign now......

Posted by: This is for Tom 3

That is the most stinking piece of crap I have read in here in quite some time, and I read Nazi Tool Krauthammer and Traitor Bob Novak.

You would be willing to vote for a Repuke who would give us another 4 years of Chimpy's failed policies?

Just so you can get Hillary elected in 2012?

I have news for you, scumbag. There won't BE any United States in 2012 if McLame gets elected. He will get us all nuked or otherwise wreck the nation. Look at what Chimpy has done to us!!

If you vote for McLame, you are voting AGAINST everything you supported Hillary for. That is INSANE.

This woman is beyond belief . . . if she can't get reservations at the country's finest restaurant, then she'll gladly go to the back door alley and wait for them to throw out the scraps. The Clintons have no pride or shame . . . just a gluttonous appetite for position and power.

Your comment about Hillary becoming Vice President if Obama doesn't survive his term if elected is absolutely one of the most insensitive, mean things I've ever heard. Some of you Clinton supporters are just out of control and sore losers. She still thought she was entitled to the nomination, now she things she's entitled to be VP. She hasn't even acknowledged Barack as the candidate. What arrogance and she called Barack an Elitist. GOD help the Hillary Democrats and GOD help you.

This has to be the most no-class person(Hillary) that has ever been in politics. And that house negro Bob Johnson is a sad example of a black man. Sad and pitiful. Why would Obama want a ready made Judas as his VP??? And no he is not Christ. Just an analogy. He carries himself with class and she has that racist entitlement aura. She plays to the worst in humanity and I hope Obama does not pick a disingenuous person like her to wash his socks.

ONLY A WOMAN CAN BRING THIS KIND A OF DRAMA!!! I HAVE NEVER BEFORE SEEN PERSONALITIES COME OUT LIKE THIS IN AN ELECTION BEFORE. HUCKABEE MOVED ON PRETTY MUCH WITHOUT QUESTION. . . BUT WOMEN CAN'T DO THAT. WHAT A PITY.

EVIL, WICKED, VENDICTIVE WOMEN.(DRAMA-QUEENS)

THE "EVE" SYDROME!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WONDER MEN HAVE BECOME LOVERS AMONG THEMSELVES.

I WILL GIVE HILLARY CREDIT FOR HER TANACITY
BUT MY GOODNESS THE DELEGATE COUNT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE.

ANOTHER THING; YOU CAN NOT MAKE A PERSON LIKE YOU OR WANT YOU, SO KEEP IT REAL FOR YOUR OWN SAKE.

IS IT THE POLLYANNA EFFECT?

DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA AND MORE DRAMA. PLEASE GROW-UP PEOPLE. DO IT FOR GRANNY.

P.S. THIS IS COMING FROM A WOMAN! A SENIOR AT THAT, ABOUT HILLARY'S AGE.

If Barack offers Hillary a place on the ticket, then he IS an appeaser.

An appeaser is someone who believes the false promises and blandishments of a negotiating partner who has given ample evidence that they are in fact negotiating in bad faith.

I don't care how often or how loud the Clintons promise to behave themselves if Barack will only put Hillary on the ticket, I don't believe them for a minute; and if Barack believes them, then he IS naive and he IS an appeaser.

Of course Hillary is "Open" to being VP. She would go to the White House as street gum on the heel of Obama's shoe if she could. And we all know how annoying and useless street gum is. She is just pathetic.

"NAME THE LEGISLATION HILLARY CLINTON DIDN'T JUST SPONSOR BUT WORKED TO PASS THROUGH THE SENATE AND THEN WAS ALSO PASSED BY THE HOUSE TO BECOME LAW AND ACTUALLY IMPACT THE LIVES OF AMERICANS. NAME IT."

I'd love to hear it? No one has been able to do this? Not a single law? LMAO!

Although, out of curiosity...same question, but this time for Obama. Oh, and how many times did he vote "present" again...?

Tom 3 Get a life.... Hillary was the only democratic candidate running from the beginning that was qualified for the presidency.....Obama wasn't even qualified as a Chicago organizer... there is way too much crime in Chicago...I will vote for McCain in November cause he will only stay for 4 years and Hillary can start her 2012 campaign now......

"NAME THE LEGISLATION HILLARY CLINTON DIDN'T JUST SPONSOR BUT WORKED TO PASS THROUGH THE SENATE AND THEN WAS ALSO PASSED BY THE HOUSE TO BECOME LAW AND ACTUALLY IMPACT THE LIVES OF AMERICANS. NAME IT."

I'd love to hear it? No one has been able to do this? Not a single law? LMAO!

I will never understand why there were an election i Florida in the first place! If invalid contests can not be redone! But after all the Democratic party had descided to act as if all citizens in the Union would be allowed to make their voice heard. If mistakes were made a re-vote should have been arranged as quickly as possible. Democratical aspirations cannot be suppressed by lack of money. Than itÂ´s an in advance faked election in order to support one of the candidates. That leaves an ugly taste in your mouth! DonÂ´t you think?
"A European friend"

Until last evening's speech, I supported Hillary. But no longer. I can't express how disappointed I am at her LACK of respect at this historic moment: Obama deserved to be recognized and she didn't do that. He deserved a unification message from her, and she didn't do that, choosing instead a message of defiance. And I'll vote for Obama in November because he won the Democratic nomination -- however bitter a pill it must be for Hillary to swallow. She wants the VP to keep herself alive politically. Now, I'd rather that she just fade away. We've all had enough.

Being a veteran of the Iraq war twice over, first for the followers of McCain, he will, and I mean he will lead us into war with Iran, if you think it's bull, do your research and not to mention you will be drafted so grab a weapon, I will make sure you are on the front line with the rest of us grunts.. We have to stop invading countries, it's killing our country. As for the candidates, they are not in charge,We Are, apparently the american people forgot that. As for everyboody's girl Hillary, please she has torn the party in two, with Bill and her appauling antics. That is not politics, it is grade school antics. And as for Obama's lack of experience,please we currently have over 5000 years worth of experience in there now and look at what it's gotten us. What it's gotten me, are dead brothers and sisters, because hillary and the rest of the experienced leaders have led us to our deaths. Address that you millions of hillary followers, who say they would not endorse Obama. AND OBAMA IS HALF WHITE AND HALF BLACK, STOP FORGETTING THAT PEOPLE. It makes him the ultimate American, because he can relate to both sides.

Aspergirl said:
I just don't see how the Democratic Party is a woman's issue party anymore because all the old explanations are outdated. Especially since the Republican men tend to be so much more respectful and treat their women with more class and decency than the behavior that has been leveled at Clinton.
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BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA... Sorry, that is just too funny. I should have reposted the whole thing because I would love to know what you ate today to come up with some of that tripe.
Just so you know, McCain voted AGAINST the fair pay act and said that women needed to go out and get more education if they wanted to be paid equally. Sounds like a party of respect to me.
Now, go do the dishes and stop expressing your opinion!

We all know Michelle hates Hillary's guts and would divorce Obama if he chooses Hillary as V.P. I personally think V.P. is beneath Hillary, she deserves the top spot, but I do not think that will happen in 2008, no matter how many petitions we sign...I think we who supported Hillary in the primary should vote for McCain in the November election, and Hillary should start campaigning for President in 2012. With John McCain's age he will not run for re-election in 2012. And Michelle said from the beginning Obama only has one chance at the Presidency, if he does not win this time he will not be running again, and from the looks of Michelle I think she will sit on him on this one. Besides he promised her if she let him run he would stop smoking and he did not... Already breaking his promises.

After insulting Obama during the campaign, Johnson and Clinton are resorting to Blackmail, pure and simple. Mr. Johnson "does not remember what Obama was doing down in the hood" when he was a community organizer, now he stands next to Clinton to litterally blackmail a "Blackman". If Obama is not qualified to answer the 3:00am call, or certainly a "gave one speech" what is the attraction now to want to serve under him. Is it the reference to RFK been killed in June that make the VP slot attractive? There was a contest and Obama won, he does not need the loser or its surrogates to recommend anyone for the VP job. The sense of entitlement has not left Clinton or his it the lack of self esteem or morals? If democrats want the white house, they will have to vote for the nominee or sit out another 4 to 8 years or even longer.

Interesting...so while she was out there arguing he was less electable than she, she was already discussing plans to run a "campaign" for the VP slot. And while she runs this campaign for the VP slot in the meantime she hasn't conceded the nomination battle nor has she said she won't still take the battle to the convention. I think this is called blackmail. Obama would have to be really needy to accept her as VP under those conditions and he just isn't that needy. Go away Hilary.

The negotitions between Obama and the Clinton team will be as sensitive as any international negotiations he engages in during a first term as president. As a matter of fact, these negotiations will go a long way toward determining whether or not Obama wins a first term.

Geez. Learn to read people. Obama has Jim Johnson, a Democratic Party insider, not Robert (Bob) Johnson, on his VP selection team (not VP possibilities). Former Deputy U.S. Attorney Eric Holder and former first daughter Caroline Kennedy carry a lot of weight inside the Democratic Party.

There was a lot of debate in the Consitutional Congress about electing Senators. Connecticut's Roger Sherman warned against direct election for Senators. "The people should have as little to do as may be about the government. They lack information and are constantly liable to be misled." After reading these postings today, Mr. Sherman was a very insightful man.

It is further discouraging to see anyone say they would rather America stay exactly as it is now, with gas at $4 and counting- growing every day. Got milk? What did that run you?
So, you want to keep Cheney's Mercedes trucks in Iraq, killing innocent people, screwing up one generation and building Burger Kings?
If that is what you want- Thank GOD I do not have children to raise in this country.
I'll go back to the Village in Africa I was visiting recently where people appreciate acts of kindness -they are human beings, not human doings.
When US land becomes uninhabitable, or is taken over from bad debts; its what you wanted- remember that.

I think whatever chances of Hillary being selected as Obama VP has evaporated because for one thing she in not a team player she had the opportunity to do it last night and she blew it. I don't think she is in no position to be making threats nor using your Aids to speak for her.

She had gave Obama insite to what type of person she really is. Senator Obama has been so curtious and gracious to Senator Clinton and he has gone out his way to praise her but at the one time and moment before her supporters and the media she had a chance to congratulate Senator Obama for being our nominee but she fell short to saying it. She dance around the issue well I don't think she deserves to be his running mate for one thing you have to learn how to be truthful and honest which Hillary is far from being.

I give all respect to her supporters but you should stand up and stop letting Hillary use you as a bargining chip and vote for Obama or chose McCain.

And I just want to end on one note if you chose McCain then don't complain when follows suit behind President Bush's policies you have nobody to blame but yourselves because you helped elected him.

Obama won the 11 primaries before his "Wright baggage" hit the news on March 13. Thereafter it's been nip and tuck. Had this baggage been known ot the outset, Clinton would be the nominee today. He can thank his lucky stars for that "good luck"

I will definitely not support a Nobama-Clinton ticket b/c I do not trust Obama and I do not feel Clinton will have a meaningful voice.

So sorry to say, if Clinton does not fight to the convention, I will become a Democrat for McCain, not b/c I am a McCain supporter but because I will not vote for Nobama - nohow - noway - never.

Posted by: Lesley | June 4, 2008 6:12 PM

I am a feminist, and there is no way I will support Obama. I would rather see the feminist movement die than see Obama become president. I was really hurt that Clinton did not get the nomination. Now McCain gets my vote. I could care less that Obama is a champion of women's rights with a 100% rating from NARAL. I hope McCain turns back the strides in equal rights for women--as he has promised to do--for all I care.

I could care less that McCain laughed hysterically on camera when someone called Hillary a bit*h or that he has said Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father. My bruised feelings are of primary importance to me and the ONLY thing that matters is ME. Until the Democratic Party BLINDLY rubber stamps all female Democratic candidates for President--no matter what rules they break or how often they lie, cheat, steal, race bait and assassination dream--This is what they get!

We will promise to swing the election but--just like the paltry few who showed up to demonstrate for Hillary's 'suffrage movement'--we won't make any difference whatsoever in preventing President Obama's victory.

"Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama..." Are you kidding me? Her minions are so short-sighted that they would rather see the Supreme Court take away what's left of our civil liberties for the next generation than vote for a Democrat that isn't Hillary? Shame, shame, shame.

The Clinton Polictical Machine needs to accept defeat. It's not about bringing the "Party" together, but about the Clinton's own personal gain. America is for change, and getting the Clinton's out of the White House will solidify the message that the American people want Washington to change. Lobbiest and "Big Oil" have been robbing the American people for years. Obama will remove their influences from Washington. America has spoken! Out with the old. Good by Clinton's.

Democrats forget AsperGirl. She is equal the McCain. They talk things for things... and they don't know what ate in the lunch or dinner yesterday.
I suggest that AsperGirl be VP of McCain. They togethers seem until name of sandwich of the McDonald's: McCain & AsperGirl 08! hehehehehe.

Thank God for the Superdelegates! At first I was hesitant about the whole idea of them. They were needed to bring sanity to this process. If not for them, we would have been stuck with a self-serving candidate who would have brought the Democrats and country down. The baggage the Clintons bring is horrendous and things would have been ugly. Will she be the VP? Of course not. First meeting: "Hillary, you and Bill will need to be vetted. Are you willing to go through the process? Are you willing to explain where you got your money for the Clinton library? How about speaking engagements?" Bill's answer: "You know buddy, she is kind of high maintenance. Maybe we better hope for Senate majority leader." Give me a break. Obama didn't vet her at all during the primary. He was a gentleman.

Given that Obama desperately needs the 49.5% of democratics who voted for Clinton in the primary to now vote for him. It seems like a good idea. Winning elections is about making people happy. By making HRC his vp he will make 17 million people happy.

Reporters still have to lie on the Clintons. Hillary sent a email to her supporters asking for their advice on what she should do. This bull about her making the decision is false. We made the decision and it's our vote that Obama wont get if she isn't on the ticket. Now the DNC might have fixed the delegate vote but not the voters. Without Hillary's voters Obama will lose to McCain. So that's the real news and facts for the record.

Let's hope when a new President gets in office all the corrupt reporters will be replace with honest ones.

Bob Johnson, who made his billions from showing disgraceful videos of black women as tools and prostitutes on BET is now leading campaign for Hillary to be VP. He should personally pay all of Hillary's campaign debts and apologize to women for what he has done to demean their image.

I just called to tell Hillary not to give up. She didn't lose. He didn't win.

In Denver, if superdelegates vote the way their districts/states voted, she wins.

The party and the press have tried to wrestle this way from her from the beginning.

The New England elite was looking for a way to take back the party that they think they own and should own because they are educated and born rich. They always hated the Clintons, those "hicks" from Arkansas who controled the party of their father's (Kennedys, Ketchup Kerry, Gore, etc). So when Obama gave a pretty speech in the convention and they realize they were losing Black voters to Republicans because they always took them for granted, they saw him as a solution to both: keep the black support and keep the party under the control of the New Englanders.

Kennedy, the drunkard who killed a woman once before. I'm surprise that he tried to politically kill another this time around. It comes easy to him. Good riddance. I hope he doesn't last long!

And watch out, you've taken women vote for granted for too long. Here we stream way from you.

If there is a McCain-Condi '08 ticket I'm voting for them.

The best thing for Hillary is to stay out of the VP slot. Wait until McCain beats Obama and run four years from now when McCain will be too old. It is a risk, of course, because an Obama win in Nov. will set the course for a one-term (Carter style) and then the Democrats are screwed for another 12 years!

Strategically speaking, it is best for her and for the party's future hopes in the next decate if McCain wins.

Congratulations to Barack and Michelle Obama! Now, perhaps, America can get to the business of building a better future. Again, congratulations!

Hillary Clinton ran an "ALL-OR-NOTHING" campaign. Well..."ALL" is currently taken!

"If Hillary Clinton is so great, she'll do what's right and her followers will back the Democratic nominee. If not...we'll all know exactly why she lost and the immeasurable damage inflicted on the Democratic party. In case Hillary doesn't know, we often learn more from defeat than victory. Bitter battles lost should never be allowed to outweigh the entire war. Some times putting others before self becomes the precise difference between victory and defeat."--Steve Ford

Obama has done more than his share in the bridge building equation and he's the winner! Mrs. Clinton, nobody likes sore a loser. NOBODY.

Clinton's atrocious lack of grace by not getting behind Obama after she lost fair and square, shows why she should not have been chosen as the nominee. She is not a team player- its all about Hillary.
To lose with her advantages shows she is an inept campaigner. I used to like her but she seemed to work hard at making herself unlikeable. Now I do not like her. This indicates poor campaigning skills. Her sore loser speech induced me to like her even less. Now I don 't want her as VP either.

Obedience and Pfleger: Tough Love from the Church
Obedience. That explains the removal of Father Michael Pflager from his parish. The outspoken Catholic pastor of St. Sabrina's in Chicago stirred controversy for himself and the Archdiocese with his provocative mocking of Senator Hillary Clinton at the neighboring Trinity United Church of Christ - the former home congregation of Senator Barack Obama. Although Pfleger apologized for that, Cardinal George has decided to impose a penalty upon the controversial activist priest.

It's really hard to believe that Obama supporters are so hateful. Is this the kind of change that comes with him? Stop beating up on Clinton, she's gotten almost as many votes as Obama and if this country weren't so misogynistic, she'd probably have gotten the nomination. I guess Hillary wasn't one of those girls that gladly gave out blow jobs in highschool like some do.

Absolutely NOT. He has my vote regardless who his running mate is- but
I feel it would not be appropriate over all. I see a definitive conflict of interest, that is all to present in "egomaniacs with inferiority complexes"
{hello, you should have conceded by now so do not push the issue!}
Its disheartening to see how deep ignorance can still run in america. Upon reading some of the comments, I am profoundly grateful for the many wonderful countries I have visited that I would be happy to call home. America has lost its integrity, and has substantial debts around the world. Bush has taken us to embarrassingly laughable abroad.
I cringes at race based innuendo's and cultural slang, and see no reason why I should subject myself to such pathetic mentalities, as I have seen here.
This was my first, and likely my last campaign. [OBAMA] I was not alone.
People come out "en mass" just to support Barack Obama. Many of us had to register for the primary, since we were not democratic. We made history, and I feel we should not compromise how we got here, unless McCain pulls the Condi for VP card and it is to our strategic advantage to Unify the party as mentioned. ugh.
For the record, however- the Robert F. Kennedy comments were not taken lightly.

Because it's too expensive, too loaded down with pork, and too generous with its benefits. At current benefit levels, it's estimated that the US military could fall as much as 20% below its manpower goals.

No candidate loves and appreciates the military more than John McCain. John McCain was supporting our troops in Iraq while the Democrats, including Jim Webb, were doing the underhanded best at every turn to undercut them in the field and ensure their defeat.

As good as it would make many Democrats feel in the short run to have an Obama/Clinton ticket in the Fall, in the long run it would be an absolute disaster. Hillary ain't about being Obama's #2 for four (maybe eight) years. Given the egos involved, an Obama/Clinton White House would be the sequel to "Peyton Place". And then there's Bill's ego to consider.

I must confess that as a Republican who strongly supports McCain, I have some trepidation about facing an Obama/Clinton ticket. But as an American, I think it would be a disasterous pairing in practice.

Thank God for the Superdelegates! At first I was hesitant about the whole idea of them. They were needed to bring sanity to this process. If not for them, we would have been stuck with a self-serving candidate who would have brought the Democrats and country down. The baggage the Clintons bring is horrendous and things would have been ugly. Will she be the VP? Of course not. First meeting: "Hillary, you and Bill will need to be vetted. Are you willing to go through the process? Are you willing to explain where you got your money for the Clinton library? How about speaking engagements?" Bill's answer: "You know buddy, she is kind of high maintenance. Maybe we better hope for Senate majority leader." Give me a break. Obama didn't vet her at all during the primary. He was a gentleman.

"I was sickened to hear a woman tell a talk-radio host the other day that she, a Clinton supporter, would be voting for McCain no matter what. When the radio host said that would mean more soldiers would die in Iraq needlessly, the woman was completely unmoved. "It's a matter of principle," she robotically replied."

And what principle would that be??

Switching over to the other party and voting AGAINST your own political views, just to spite the primary opponent??

Has anyone else noticed that when Hillary Clinton (she is such a feminist that she keeps her husbands name not even hyphenated)... has anyone noticed that when she speaks she often closes her eyes- body language for shutting out who she is talking to. She is never going to listen to any alternative view point even one that states a fact such as "Hillary with your man's surname... Hey Hillary you lost.
Yes when she speaks she often clises her eyes to shut out the interlocutor. Her current intransigence is unwise obstinacy, not admirable tenacity. I would love a female president... but not Hillary.

I hope that Obama does not choose Clinton as VP. 6 months ago I would have called such a pairing a dream team. Not today. From what I've seen, Clinton, in the no. 2 spot would be miserable, overbearing, undermining, and emasculating. I also fear that Obama would have to watch his back if she were VP. If she has any nobility at all, she'd be smarter to decline the VP position even if offered since its not really the prize she wanted.

While everyone can admire Mrs. Clinton for all she has achieved in this contest, it's over. Obama has won. Now, it is important to unify the party.
And that must happen, regardless of H. Clinton's chances as Obama's VP (and those chances, I believe, are slim to none).
I was sickened to hear a woman tell a talk-radio host the other day that she, a Clinton supporter, would be voting for McCain no matter what.
When the radio host said that would mean more soldiers would die in Iraq needlessly, the woman was completely unmoved. "It's a matter of principle," she robotically replied.
Again, Clinton supporters: Please understand what's at stake.

Poor ole corkscrew! She just doesn't get. We don't want her or the Bozo in the Executive Branch--period! Don't the Demos get it--it's not about the good of the party or the US--it's about Hillary. Poor ole corkscrew is history!!!!

I see Republican illusionists coming out of the holes...think that grandpa McBush has presidency in pocket...oh well guys dream your dreams but waking up in November will be very difficult and sad for you.

AsperGirl, how sad for you. Can't you see this has nothing to do with gender? Hillary has made herself unlikable to a lot of people. I would vote for a woman gladly if she showed the type of character I thought would be good in a president, unfortunately, Hillary has not. I suspect that a lot of people who are saying mean things about her feel the same way.

In order for her to get my respect she'd have to:
1. Start being truthful and stop playing games, quit lying, it's insulting.
2. Stop making outrageous statements, like her "Assasination" remarks.
3. Show some humility, admit when you're wrong
4. Stop the pandering, the whiskey shots, gas tax etc.
5. Show me what you've done for the average american.

I understand your frustration, Hillary has been picked on, but a lot she brought on herself. And, did you just realize that the dems no longer represented you?, or was it after Barack clinched the nomination?

I started out supporting her but as time wore on and her dark nature was revealed I gravitated towards Obama because he offered me what I thought was something better, and yes I also believe in hope as a starting point for good things to come.

Let me see. Quickly: why wouldn't Obama want such a wonderful woman on his ticket. 1. She can't do math, and makes up her own reality. 2. Her husband seems to be on the verge of a mental breakdown. 3. For the last 30 or 45 days she has tried in her own covert, semi-cool, semi-moronic fashion to ask someone to kill Obama. Men just never do what you ask them to do. Three days before we had the primary in Montana she said (as if she was a real human) we really don't need any federal gun laws.

Bill may be a bit rusty at his game. But given 4 years, probably Bill or someone who needs a bit of money might...............................you figure it out. Yours for a republic. Yours for NO MORE CLINTONS OR NO MORE BUSHES.

"Hillary has abandoned the Democratic party... She needs to be primaried out of her senate seat for disloyalty."

I agree. Her speech was disgraceful. Being introduced as the next President. Saying she won the big states and the popular vote. Refusing to concede.

The big states and the popular vote do not count. Only delegates and superdelegates count. Obama has won enough of both to be nominated.

Hillary ran a slash-and-burn campaign against a fellow Democrat that looked a lot like the Karl Rove smearjob on McLame in 2000. She crossed the line on race, assassination, and condemning Obama while praising McLame.

Hillary needs to be punished for her disloyalty to the party. Send her home from the Senate after her term is up.

At last, we Democrats can focus our attention on our true opponent: John "Grampy" McCain. Grampy will not win. He's an angry old conservative white man with a huge vindictive streak and a fondness for military action over diplomacy. He's also filthy rich and a born aristocrat. We do not need him, and when you put him side by side next to Barack Obama, all of his glaring weaknesses will become manifest.

Now, if we can get 60 Democratic Senators (not including that putz, Joe Lieberman), we might actually have a chance of rescuing this country from the downward spiral the Repugs have put us on since the damned Reagan MisAdministration.

AsperGirl wrote :
And in truth, I seriously question whether the Democratic Party is a great place for women anymore. My old assumptions about its priorities are clearly no longer really valid.
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Well, Honey, if you think the Republican party would let a female run for President then get your ass on over there.
You & Bush & McCain belong together!

You're intent on seeing sexism wherever you look, because to do otherwise might invite possibility that Obama won on his own merits.

Guess what? I'm male, and I think our country has too much of a patriarchal slant embedded in the culture. One reason I supported Obama during the campaign was because he ran a more 'feminist' campaign than Hillary. He was consistant, thoughtful, and promoted cooperation and understanding. Hillary was overtly aggressive, with sometimes Rovian tactics -- a far more masculine approach.

God bless Barack Obama! He's a lot more man than I am if he can put aside the scorn, calumny. and contempt of the Clinton clan in the interest of party unity. As she still seems intent on denying his effective nomination, what kind of flaming hoops does she intend to make him jump through like some fancy circus poodle in a pink tutu before she'll consent to run with him anyway?
Yeah, yeah, I remember Linda Loman's admonition to Biff about Willy..."Attention must be paid!" I'm sure she's a true princess and all with a pea under her mattress to prove it, but gimme' a break!
What's the gentleman got to do next, put on sackcloth and ashes, make a pilgrimage to Chappaqua on his knees, flagellating himself with a cat-o-nine-tails the whole way? Does she really imagine that she's making a strong case for her selection by cultivating a continued climate of arrogant disdain for the next POTUS? Again, God bless you Barack! Godspeed and good counsel be yours as you make these difficult choices in the days ahead!

I'm furious at how Hillary was treated by the party and by the media. I'm not, however, staying home in November. I'm writing her name on the ballot even if it means canceling my vote.
And if B.O. folks continue to piss me off, I will vote for McCain!

Posted by: NanaTerra | June 4, 2008 5:35 PM

I am a feminist, and there is no way I will support Obama. I would rather see the feminist movement die than see Obama become president. I was really hurt that Clinton did not get the nomination. Now McCain gets my vote. I could care less that Obama is a champion of women's rights with a 100% rating from NARAL. I hope McCain turns back the strides in equal rights for women--as he has promised to do--for all I care.

I could care less that McCain laughed hysterically on camera when someone called Hillary a bit*h or that he has said Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father. My bruised feelings are of primary importance to me and the ONLY thing that matters is ME. Until the Democratic Party BLINDLY rubber stamps all female Democratic candidates for President--no matter what rules they break or how often they lie, cheat, steal, race bait and assassination dream--This is what they get!

We will promise to swing the election but--just like the paltry few who showed up to demonstrate for Hillary's 'suffrage movement'--we won't make any difference whatsoever in preventing President Obama's victory.

Hillary Clinton can be John McCain's VP. The Republicans like her so much and want her to fight on. Well they can have her.

Last night she had a chance to show some class. She failed again. She is way too self-serving a person to be our Vice-President. She tells us that she cares about the people. This is true as long as they keep their place. To Hillary "their place" is always one rung or more below her.

One day in the near future a woman will be our President. Fortunately, it won't be Hillary Clinton.

Now Obama supporters are making false posts in my name. All I have to do is keep posting under other names. It's not like you'd recognize me if I used other voices.

You're just enraged because you can't reach out and bit**-slap me like one of your hos. White women are so infuriating because they don't understand they'll get their faces bashed in if they don't shut up and go away when ordered to.

clinton supporters who think she was treated "unfairly" by the media are mad...those who think she was subjugated for being a woman are delusional...barack probably would seriously consider bringing her to the white house with him, but for that petty scoundrel of a husband of hers...he has hurt her more than anything, or anyone, and how attractive can that be to barack to have him "lurking" around the white house with her as veep...and be sure to dig down deep about her time in the white house...she was not known as the most pleasant personality, nor the easiest to work with...and if you knew the arm twisting by bill with superdelegates, and the character assassination of barack in his phone conversations with them, you would cringe...

Hillary has abandoned the Democratic party. Last night was the night she was supposed to concede. She lost on the numbers. It's over. But she still insists on holding out. Can the crap about her RIGHTS. With every RIGHT comes a DUTY. She has a RIGHT to campaign, but she has a DUTY to support the winner. The party spoke, Obama won the delegates. She had a duty tonight to be a bigger person. She failed. She needs to be primaried out of her senate seat for disloyalty.

Hillary has abandoned the Democratic party. Last night was the night she was supposed to concede. She lost on the numbers. It's over. But she still insists on holding out. Can the crap about her RIGHTS. With every RIGHT comes a DUTY. She has a RIGHT to campaign, but she has a DUTY to support the winner. The party spoke, Obama won the delegates. She had a duty tonight to be a bigger person. She failed. She needs to be primaried out of her senate seat for disloyalty.

So the woman who said Obama was "not qualified" to be president and has taken endless cheap shots at Obama NOW feels that she should be offered the VP spot?

Framing things in this way makes it hard for Obama to say no, especially given Hillary's rabid supporter's. If he does he risks "offending" this extremely thin skinned crowd but there are so many VP choices that would add more to the ticket and who have not engaged in personal attacks.

Hillary should have kept her mouth shut at this point and if Obama wanted to offer her the job? Fine, that's his choice. Forcing the issue, however, is just one more insult or maybe just one more way for Hillary to assure a McCain victory so she can run agin in 2012?

Attention Hillary Clinton supporters:
I am issuing a "put up or shut up challenge"
Since I've asked these questions before and have never had an answer I will put them all in one message
1. Name ONE time Barack Obama has been guilty of a misogynistic remark toward Hillary.
2. Name ONE thing Hillary has done of importance besides run for President, you know, some legislation and all.
3. Name ONE thing she has done for "The working people"

I'm waiting.

If she is such a supreme candidate then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and support her?, Obama's supporters have.

The Obama campaign and supporters keep trying to push abortion ruling threats to keep Clinton voters in line. They dismissively say, "You won't vote for McCain because don't want those conservative Supreme Court judges." Well, abortion isn't that effective as an issue to do nothing for us and treat our aspirations dismissively.

And in truth, I seriously question whether the Democratic Party is a great place for women anymore. My old assumptions about its priorities are clearly no longer really valid.

Nancy Pelosi has been embracing and welcoming anti-reproductive rights candidates for Democratic seats, under the female leadership in Congress there has been no mention or progress toward an equal rights amendment, there has been little to no mention of any female priorities and frankly the Republicans seem more receptive and respectful to female executives in business and politics.

With the advent and popularity of the Internet, access to abortions doesn't seem that difficult anymore. Anyone with a few hundred dollars and an Internet connection can find a way to get an abortion if necessary, and the Democrats haven't seemed to be very effective or creative in helping poor women overcoming the barriers of information and resources to access them. The main obstacles to reproductive freedom mainly seem to be financial and logistical now, but the Democrats were only focused on black letter law fights and they're compromising on anti-abortion lawmakers, too, now.

I just don't see how the Democratic Party is a woman's issue party anymore because all the old explanations are outdated. Especially since the Republican men tend to be so much more respectful and treat their women with more class and decency than the behavior that has been leveled at Clinton.

Frankly, I'm more worried about the hip-hop and mysogynist anti-woman rhetoric from the Obama camp and supporters, verbally abusive toward female executives. The Obama campaign has enabled and mainstreamed framing female achievement in every witch-hunting popular imagery possible.

Women across the U.S. will be dealing with the negative imagery, sneers and stereotypes the Obama campaign has popularized and mainstreamed for an entire generation, in its parodies and attacks on Clinton.

Here's my big question. When Hillary falls in to support Obama as the nominee, which sh will -- regardless of whether or not she gets the VP nod -- given that she has a political future to think about... what will you say then? When your own candidate is calling on her own supporters to support the nominee, will you defy her as well out of spite?

I'm furious at how Hillary was treated by the party and by the media. I'm not, however, staying home in November. I'm writing her name on the ballot even if it means canceling my vote.
And if B.O. folks continue to piss me off, I will vote for McCain!

"Barack Obama is probably the only politician who accomplished exactly nothing with his ivy league law degree before going into politics and who has run for President as a freshman senator before establishing a any defining record of action as a serious politician."
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He gave up offers in the 6 figure range after graduating from Harvard to work for a less than poverty wage to help steelworkers find new jobs. What has Hillary ever done for her "working class"? Oh, I know, she chaired five pro NAFTA meetings just before it was passed and then lied to the voters in Ohio about it.

What pieces of legislation has Hillary authored or co-authored of any importance?, building a Woodstock Memorial?

Obama has co-authored pieces of legislation such as the Lugar/Obama non-proliferation act which was signed into law.
I could name more but the list would be too long for this thread so, how about you name ONE thing Hillary has done of importance?

Look at it this way. Hillary would be a pit bull working for Obama to help get his legislative agenda thru the senate and the house. I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that she is incredibly hard working and she will not back down in a fight. She would be the perfect legislative backup for Obama in the White House. Hillary would also lend Obama a little edge on the young inexperienced rap that McCain is paitning him with. I think Obama should chose Hillary Clinton as V.P. because it would make McCain eat his words. McCain has praised Hillary up one side and down another lately so how could he suddenly do a 180 if she was on Obama's ticket. Let's also remember that these two canidates stood up at every single debate and agreed with each other on almost all of there policy issues. There is very little difference between these two other than one is male and one is female. Both canidates stand for the same democratic issues and at the end of the day they could really help each other clinch the presidency. Let's make sure we put a democrat in the White House at any cost.

Am I hallucinating here? The day after Barak Obama wins a historic nomination all of the stories are about Hillary Clinton?

She'll deign to accept the VP slot, her advisors say, if Obama- er, the winner- comes to her hat in hand. Hillary, the nasty and self-pitying campaign you have run is more than enough evidence that the country will be better off with a fresh start.

No compromise with Hillary Clinton. Her whole being contradicts everything Obama is stands for. She is in campaign jargon "the past". She is not only a Republican but she IS G. W. Bush. But she is much worse than that. She has campaigned on FEAR a la Bush/Rove/Cheney.

America has got to grow up and having Obama as president may offer a hope. But Obama doesn't need the B as his VP sidekick. That SC woman who asked McCain how do you beat the B? actually, as a matter of fact, was not speaking in disrespectful metaphor, but just realistically describing Hillary as a public personality. Once she went for the ignorant Appalachian white male and the ignorant older sexist suburb women, she had made a big choice of self over America. Simple as that that.

It's very sad ethically and morally to know that some supporters of Hillary and supporters of Obama continues figthing by division of the democrat party. These people needs to be more adults.
The important now is one democrat to win the White House in november. And each one of you needs to let go the ego, fanatism and preconceptions turning and to support the union of the two candidates.
Now is not the time for petty differences and prejudice which cause such division. Now is the time for the party to unite!
The two candidates are intelligent, well educated and well prepared. Both have great support from their teams and they would both be good for their country.
It's time of urgent changes there and the Bush Administration can't to continue with McCain. Or want you more wars? More lies, expenses and Americans dieing in immoral battles? Or going to down the economy? Obama wining the election in November places an excellent team of democrats in power and raises the hope of change for every one of us...

I'm not a huge fan of either Clinton or Obama (was an Edwards supporter), but I find it completely distasteful the way Clinton has embraced different rules of the game depending on how the race was going at any given moment. Not a peep about how unfair it was to exclude Fla and Mich those state primaries were over and she was sure she'd won. And then, when Obama was winning more elected delegates, but she had the Superdelegate lead, she was talking about how the Superdelegastes should really decide everything. And Clinton even tried to woo Obama's pledge delegates. But when the superdelegates changed their mind, that's somehow a conspiracy and is unfair. Clinton has only shown that she's willing to do whatever it takes to win the election -- other than actually get people to vote for her.

Wait...I thought it was all over LAST NIGHT...didn't you guys all "win" last night? Shouldn't all you BO people be coming home all tired and hung over, from celebrating your boy OB's big ***"Win"*** from last night? If you're all not sure why you haven't or didn't party for poor, little, BO...please read below...And BTW she was more than gracious and nice to him...all during her victory party last night...after all...she did win SD after winning big in PR right before that...PLEASE READ BELOW...

"Change, that we can all laugh at" OB's new slogan, should read about his ** "Win"***.

She sure beat him in SD and PR though, didn't she? Your Boy, Barry Hussein Obama, got his butt handed to him more than once by her, but "Big Media" helps him to raise his hand up, to make him like he's the winner, like the old time black fighters who lost close decisions to white fighters, so Hillary was the real winner and the whole crowd boooed, knowing what it really was that allowed the man with the "exciting color and race" to win the fight...what reverse racism and sexism! I'm tired of everybody picking on Clinton, since the democratic party tried to screw her out of this nomination, than I would advise her to run in the National Election...as an "Independent" Candidate...stranger things have happened...like a presidential nominee named Obama....lol
That's RIIGHHHTTT....If Hillary ran as an "Independent" Candidate in the fall...gee, I wonder who she would pull votes from? "Obama-quein" or McCain? Who's side would she be tugging votes away from...Obama's done...You guys should do yourselves a favor and get the false messiah there to move aside and let Clinton take what's rightfully hers...the Democratic Nomination...If not...Hillary Clinton as the "Independent's Choice" for President in 2009!!! Go Hillary!!! DON'T LET EM' FOOL YA, HILLARY!! OH' NO!!!

No compromise with Hillary Clinton. Her whole being contradicts everything Obama is stands for. She is in campaign jargon "the past". She is not only a Republican but she IS G. W. Bush. But she is much worse than that. She has campaigned on FEAR a la Bush/Rove/Cheney.

America has got to grow up and having Obama as president may offer a hope. But Obama doesn't need the B as his VP sidekick. That SC woman who asked McCain how do you beat the B? actually, as a matter of fact, was not speaking in disrespectful metaphor, but just realistically describing Hillary as a public personality. Once she went for the ignorant Appalachian white male and the ignorant older sexist suburb women, she had made a big choice of self over America. Simple as that that.

Staying home is not an option. We need a new canidate and McCain is not it. Obama is not my first choice but he will be my last choice. I would like Hillary either on the ticket or somewhere in his cabinet but I will not vote for McCain at any cost. I will give Obama 4 years to show me that he will do everything he has promised in this campaign and if he does not come thru I will vote him back out of office as quickly as he was voted in. Let's all vote no matter what and if you are a woman I don't see how you could ever justify voting with the republican party and I especially don't see how you can justify voting republican during this election. We need more liberals in the supreme court not conservatives. Stand up vote and be counted in November or suffer the consequences.

Staying home is not an option. We need a new canidate and McCain is not it. Obama is not my first choice but he will be my last choice. I would like Hillary either on the ticket or somewhere in his cabinet but I will not vote for McCain at any cost. I will give Obama 4 years to show me that he will do everything he has promised in this campaign and if he does not come thru I will vote him back out of office as quickly as he was voted in. Let's all vote no matter what and if you are a woman I don't see how you could ever justify voting with the republican party and I especially don't see how you can justify voting republican during this election. We need more liberals in the supreme court not conservatives. Stand up vote and be counted in November or suffer the consequences.

Wait...I thought it was all over LAST NIGHT...didn't you guys all "win" last night? Shouldn't all you BO people be coming home all tired and hung over, from celebrating your boy OB's big ***"Win"*** from last night? If you're all not sure why you haven't or didn't party for poor, little, BO...please read below...And BTW she was more than gracious and nice to him...all during her victory party last night...after all...she did win SD after winning big in PR right before that...PLEASE READ BELOW...

"Change, that we can all laugh at" OB's new slogan, should read about his ** "Win"***.

She sure beat him in SD and PR though, didn't she? Your Boy, Barry Hussein Obama, got his butt handed to him more than once by her, but "Big Media" helps him to raise his hand up, to make him like he's the winner, like the old time black fighters who lost close decisions to white fighters, so Hillary was the real winner and the whole crowd boooed, knowing what it really was that allowed the man with the "exciting color and race" to win the fight...what reverse racism and sexism! I'm tired of everybody picking on Clinton, since the democratic party tried to screw her out of this nomination, than I would advise her to run in the National Election...as an "Independent" Candidate...stranger things have happened...like a presidential nominee named Obama....lol
That's RIIGHHHTTT....If Hillary ran as an "Independent" Candidate in the fall...gee, I wonder who she would pull votes from? "Obama-quein" or McCain? Who's side would she be tugging votes away from...Obama's done...You guys should do yourselves a favor and get the false messiah there to move aside and let Clinton take what's rightfully hers...the Democratic Nomination...If not...Hillary Clinton as the "Independent's Choice" for President in 2009!!! Go Hillary!!! DON'T LET EM' FOOL YA, HILLARY!! OH' NO!!!

Hillary would "accept" the VP spot?, Having her as a VP would be a disaster and could possibly cost us the election, and I can't go through four more years of Bush (McCain). Besides, after the "GOP style" campaign she has run, her speech last night (wtf?), and her delusions of self importance, most Democrats just want her to go away anyway. I used to be a fan of Clinton, but after the last few months any shred of respect I had for her is gone. Now I just wish that she would be too.

...and if Michigan voted again tomorrow do you think Hillary would have one by any less than 10-15%? Do you think it would have been any different than Ohio or Pennsylvania? If Michigan re-voted then Hillary would have won the popular vote HANDILY.

There is a solution here for both sides. Obama should offer the vice-presidency to Hillary Clinton, plus erase her campaign debts and back one of her pet projects, on the private condition that she would subsequently be nominated for the first Supreme Court vacancy in his term. He gets her supporters on board to beat McCain, but doesn't have to worry about playing Billary Ball forever. She and Bill can relax and favor Obama with their expert wonk guidance on governance knowing they are headed for golden years of tormenting the vast right-wing conspiracy from the bench. Hillary would have to resign the vice-presidency upon being nominated to the Supreme Court. If for some reason she could not be confirmed by the Senate, it would only prove that she was probably unelectable anyway.

JIM, MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA- Won't be the first or last time a campaign contributor or associate is convicted of a felony, Clinton has her share so does McCain. Was Obama implicated in the trial?
I didn't think so.

In fact Hill and Bill are about to go to trial for a fraud charge in California in Nov. so she may not be available as vice president since she could wind up behind bars.

It would be a major mistake for Obama to select HRC as a running mate. She's not after being the VP - she's after being the co-president. In her mind, and Bill's - they would be behind the scenes co-opting everything Obama tries to do, and trying to focus attention on herself for her next run at the Presidency in 2012.

HRC is a toxic commodity. She's not really interested in anyone else, only her own ambitions. And as for her supporters who are claiming they won't vote for Obama, or actually vote for McCain - how juvenile is that? Its like you are a bunch of high school drama queens whose life has been "ruined" because you - or your best friend - didn't get picked as the prom queen. If you believe in what your party stands for - and you really want to keep Bush3 out of the White House - suck it up and support the candidate and program of your party.

I - by the way - was a long time independent who changed his registration to Democrat so I could vote for Obama in the Oregon primary. Also, I supported McCain in 2000, but the truth is, he's simply too old now. And, he's been part of the "establishment" for a number of years - despite his claim to being a maverick.

>>"Since you want her ONLY because she is (or claims to be) female, you are the sexist. You are the one who is disgusting."
Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew

You have no idea why I support her. You're incapable of knowing.

You are supporting the most inexperienced, under-qualified, unaccomplished person ever for the White House during a time the U.S. faces multiple serious and historic problems. Barack Obama is probably the only politician who accomplished exactly nothing with his ivy league law degree before going into politics and who has run for President as a freshman senator before establishing a any defining record of action as a serious politician.

Obama's smart enough to have gotten the law degree, but he didn't win any debates against Clinton. And last I looked, just getting a harvard law degree isn't by any stretch of the imagination enough of a record to run for President with (unless you're black).

Just because you will vote for a man who lacks any compelling argument for his candidacy other than the fact that he's black, doesn't mean that Clinton supporters are also caught up in the narcissistic decision-making of racial and gender politics.

Clinton is one of the most knowledgeable, capable and prepared candidates for President ever. But you wouldn't understand that, just as you probably don't recall that your candidate won no debates in 21 conducted over the course of a year.

We have such short memories. I am in no way a Clinton supporter; however, she campaigned without getting into the gutter and name calling. This is politics and this is what politicians do. It's the postings here that have gotten into the gutter and name calling.

Remember George H. W. Bush calling trickle down economics voodoo economics? Later he became Reagan's VP. (Interestingly, I read article yesterday what is essentially reverse trickle down economics --- wealthy people are cutting back on manicures, hair salons, personnel trainers, etc., as their net worth decreases and those service industries are hurting. So, maybe Reagen was right?)

I don't think Clinton would make a good VP for Obama, but it has nothing to do with the campaign for the nomination. It was a fair and good campaign and Obama won and Clinton lost. Deal with it.

It is ashame that so many of the people running their mouths can be so short sighted, ignorant, intolerant, and racist. I saw the same thing on another news outlet with Ron Paul supporters, so I stopped using the site because it is such a disappointment to see the types of people our society turns out. And we have the gall to complain about the types of people in other societies. The short sighted, ignorant, intolerant, and racist posters on here are no different that Middle Eastern terrorists who believe that there is only one way to think and believe.

I wouldn't mind having a black president either. I think it would go far in healing many of the divisions that have existed for centuries in this country whether they are real now or not. That being said, I don't want a black elected that is unqualified over anyone else that is more qualified to hold the office. IMO, when we can have this mindset where the skin color doesn't matter then we have really become a colorblind society. My advice it to not be so quick to accuse someone of racism because racism goes both ways as we have seen with the whole Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright episodes.

If I had any respect for Hillary Clinton going into tonight, after watching her speech, it is now gone.

She is now running for a nomination that she has lost. She cannot win it. The game is over.

She is, however, clearly willing to put John McCain in the White House if she doesn't get her way. Now, I don't think she has the power to do that, but she seems to think that she does, and she thinks that is a legitimate negotiating tactic.

The most pathetic part of the speech was her appeal for fundraising dollars. Because of her own mismanagement, her campaign is millions in debt. She's wealthy -- she can afford it. But yet she asks her constituency, which she says is struggling to get by, to help her pay off her own debts.

Absolutely no class -- and completely self-absorbed.

I can't wait for Barack to get on stage. He is the antidote to all this nonsense.

It's funny how the media is trying to pretend they're covering other campaign news, but they can't make it sound interesting.

The top story of the day is, as usual, all about Hillary Clinton: what she's thinking, what does she want, what will she do...

You're all so lame.

Obama's inability or refusal to stop the media and his would-be supporters from dumping on her, won't make his loss any easier in the general election.

Your inability to control your mysogyny is remarkable. Cafferty is reading off rabid, contemptuous rants to her on CNN. All she has to do is continue to stall and be nice, and then it's just a matter of time before someone unloading their sexist, hateful bile or threaten her goes too far, and pushes her over the edge into walking away from the Democratic Party.

My guess is that it will take less than a week for the rift over some offense or threat against her to occur.

Hilary and Bill Clinton will shipwreck Obama's presidency, if Clinton is made the VP. It will be the most foolish decision in Obama's life. Obama managed to put up a brilliant campaign team to beat Hilary; he can exercise the same judgment to select a brilliant VP to beat McCain. Ted Kennedy is right, Obama does not need Clinton. She and her husband think only of their place in history and the money that comes with the White House.

"Right, like the hour long 'Town Hall' that ABC News put on with George Stephanopolous--former Clinton staffer--as the 'moderator' Noting like a free hour long Hillary Clinton campaign commerical posing as 'News' "

So... At least she got an hour where Obama was ask the tough questions. Note he refused to debate her after that... enough said.
Posted by: Billw | June 4, 2008 4:05 PM

NOT THE DEBATE--DUMBASS--THE TOWN HALL WHERE SHE WAS THE ONLY CANDIDATE PRESENT

Hillary Clinton will hold a live town hall meeting Sunday on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos,"

"An unqualified Black man is the nominee. Sad. I want a black President, but I want one that has accomplished something, other than using the word "Change" in every sentence. This is an embarrassment to every talented, and qualified black politician."
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So you want a "Black President", why?, because he/she is black?
You know what I think Rick, I think you are a racist and are trying to cover it up.

Furthermore his moniker "Change" is being uttered by an overwhelming majority of the American people. U.S. citizens want change from the disastrous policies of our current administration.

If you look at Obama's record you will see that he has just as much experience as Abe Lincoln did, one of our greatest presidents.

Note how Clinton's partisan's like zenwick, here, want to call us "woman haters". Actually, we like women, we like feminists, we would like to have a woman President one day, but so long as the Clinton-Ferraro mob of hysterical bigots control the feminist agenda you can pretty much forget that. The fact is, we can't stand Clinton, we remember when you toxic hags stuck us with Ferraro and cooked Mondale's goose. No, no, a thousands times no! We will not accept Cltinon on the ticket, most of us will work to see she is defeated when she tries to run for the NY Senate again, we want her to disappear. She has neither grace nor class, no leadership abilties and only a delussional sense of self import that isn't shared by anyone other than a very few fanatics. At least half of her "17 million voters" were ginned up Lambaugh robots or white "Reagan Democrats, that wouldn't vote Democratic in the General Election anyways... and haven't since 1964! Please, please, please, go form a third party and run your own campaign and candidate. Right now, the calculus is that the economy is sinking, largely due to free trade and corporations run amuck. McCain has sided with the Wall Street crowd and stands to loose in a blowout. So, I expect to be able to replace Clinton's partisan's that have the gaul to desert Obama by a margin of 10 to 1. Then, in victory, we can safely and at last ignore you crones and actually get to work with a government that represents the ordinary people of this country instead of corporate and special interest group.

As much confidence, trust, and hope that I have in Obama would be cast aside in favor of McCain if he chooses Hillary Clinton. She and Bill are just too much power hungry risk for him or the voter to accept....

Obama showed his lack of class weeks ago with comments in effect saying he had won. At the football game they don't toss the gator aid in the coach in the middle of the fourth quarter.

Posted by: Billw | June 4, 2008 4:49 PM

Obama said he had passed a threshold w/ regard to the pledged delegate lead, which he had. McCain did the exact same thing, several times. McCain even called himself the 'presumptive nominee' before he had even crossed that official threshold with the RNC's 'magic number'

"In fact, my recommendation would be for Barack to select PA Gov. Ed Rendell. He has been a strong Hillary supporter, so it would act as a hand extended to that group. In addition, he has executive and long political experience. Most importantly, he would appeal to the PA, OH, NJ and FL voters who have yet to vote for Barack, but whom we need."

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A good choice for a running mate, though I fear it wouldn't placate some of the Hillary crowd.

However, Rendell and Obama do have at least one thing in common: both are Chicago White Sox fans. True, Rendell never lived on the South Side and achieved his success in Phillies country, but before that he lived in New York and was a Giants fan before they fled the Polo Grounds for San Francisco in 1957. Like most New York NL fans of the era, he didn't feel comfortable rooting for the Yankees, so he adopted the Chisox, then one of the Yanks' chief AL rivals.

"To the Hillary supporters, who say they are not racist when they threaten to vote for McCain -- guess what? McCain is a man, too. So that proves that your racism is the real reason for your anger."

All I can say is AMEN to that! Let the truth be spoken! If you are indeed STUPID enough to vote for a man who has NO interest in YOUR democratic causes SIMPLY because you hate him (and this definitely speaks to your REAL REASON for hating him) then a pox on you. If you think that supporting John McCain will make the rest of us vote for Hilliary the NEXT time - think again!! ANd it will help Hillary lose all credibility in the party. Read the writing on the wall and vote democratic for the sake of the country - this is bigger than Obama and definitely bigger than Hillary.

A wonderful chapter has opened of historic proportions in the United States of America. Unfortunately, there are those so steeped in self pity that they are unable to see what has just happened.

An African American man is now the first of such to be the presumptive candidate of a major party for President of the United States.

This is not just a victory for African Americans, it is a victory for all Americans. It shows that the majority understand that the time is right now for America to actively become one and for all. The nation, blacks and whites, republicans and democrats, should be proud of how this makes our nation look to the world community.

The fact it is not being made such a big deal is also an indicator of how far we have come regarding racism. Just because Obama is black doesn't mean he should be hailed as some super human being. I don't like him and it has NOTHING to do with skin color. It is because he is the most liberal person ever to receive the nomination of the two major political parties. The second reason is he has a huge lack of experience in all respects of government operation and foreign affairs. I could have voted for a non-white, and/or woman, candidate for president since I was 18 if that person shared my political views.

Posted by: obiewan | June 4, 2008 4:36 PM

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It is ok not to like the candidate. I have not judgement on that one way or the other. That is a debate that can and should always be a part of the American democratic process. However, I think it most healthy that all American's understand the significance that his presumptive nomination, regardless of his politics, has on the plain of race not only in America, but all across the globe. America has proven that it is making significant movement to tear down a major barrior that has, historically, been grounded in much regard based on skin color.

That an African American candidate will be marqueed on a general election ballot for President of the United States is truely, TRUELY monumental.

As I think was said by someone last night, she wants to be president and if not that co-president as part of a coalition government. It is all about her.

"A coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a cabinet of a parliamentary government in which several parties cooperate."

Dick Morris: "Hillary, who likely desperately wants to be tapped for vice president, is going about it in exactly the wrong way. She seems to be demanding a kind of coalition government between herself and Obama, a definition of the vice presidency not likely to appeal to the president. It reminds me of 1980 when there were discussions of a ticket with Reagan as the presidential nominee and former President Gerald Ford as the vice president in a coalition government where the VP would have extraordinary powers."http://comments.realclearpolitics.com/read/1/94890.html

Why should Hillary Clinton take a back seat when she still has an excellent chance of becoming the first female US president? She should run as independent with Michael Bloomberg as her running mate--the New York ticket. In a three-way race, it's not the majority vote that counts but the plurality vote, and the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket only needs 35% of the national vote with Obama and McCain probably splitting the rest evenly around 32-33% each.

Furthermore, the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket only needs a plurality of Electoral Votes also, say, 200, with Obama and McCain again splitting the rest at about 170 each. This means the ticket only needs to win a plurality of the votes in seven states (CA (55), TX (34), FL (27), PA (21), OH (20), MI (17), and NY (31)), giving the ticket the total Electoral Votes of 205. It is worthwhile to note that Hillary Clinton won all of those states in her primary campaign. It is also likely that Clinton-Bloomberg ticket will do well in such states as WV (5), KY (8), TN (11), NJ (15), AR (6), LA (9), IN (11), and NM (5), thus giving her additional 58 potential Electoral Votes, which would still give her the presidency even if she loses California. In other words, the ticket only needs to concentrate on those 15 states--the Middle America strategy.
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I love people who don't know what they're talking about, but still think they're brilliant. You should read what the constitution says about this. In short, when no candidate reaches the required number to be elected President (270) as of now, the House of Representatives - currently under Democratic Control - gets to select the President. Read it for yourself if you don't believe me. The problem is, a third party candidate probably could not get enough votes to actually win enough states to deprive one of the major party candidates of a state, but they could play spoiler and deprive one party of a state - i.e. Ralph Nader. But I would love to see Hillary run as an independent if I felt she could win a couple of states. That would insure that Obama becomes the next President. Nice try though.

I will not vote for Obama if he picks Hillary as VP because I don't believe she has the capacity to "follow" anyone. She has demonstrated that it is important to her to have power and control and she would undermine Obama from Day 1. Bad idea for her as VP. John Edwards is a much better choice.

Shut up Johnson. Shut up Clyburn! Everyone just needs to shut up and let the woman choose her own path. People are just jumping at the opportunity to have their names in the paper as the comment on the campaign. It's just selfishness and ego. Just listen to Clinton because that's the only opinion that will matter in the end. She has every right to take a couple days and come up with a plan. She's no idiot - despite the terrible things being said about her. If Obama was in this position, would the treatment be the same?

"She has given him a wonderful opportunity to show the 18 million Americans that hate him that he can really be a uniter."

LOL. That was so good you made me use "LOL" when I think that's dumb!

I think that Obama's strategy, as usual, is to talk beautifully, and then let his media and talking head tools shrill at Clinton, berate her and order her around. But after 5 months, they haven't figured out yet that it's sexist, belittling, insulting, divisive and ineffective.

" Hillary doesn't want the VP slot. She has set the stage for Obama to piss off her supporters one last time by saying she would take it knowing full well that he will NEVER offer it. He chooses a VP just before the convention and that action whips her supporters into a frenzy at just the right moment to deliver Obama a fatal wound in Denver. She has played a brilliant move, IMO. Whether you lover her or hate her you have to admire the savvy she has to manipulate the process to her advantage. "

How are her supporters going to deliver a 'final blow' nearly three months from now when they couldn't do it over the past five months?

And, if true, it is nothing more than another one of her 'brilliant moves' in a long line of 'brilliant moves' that lost her the nomination when she was an over 20 point favorite to win it five months ago.

'Brilliant, savvy manipulator of the process to her advantage'? HMMM, NOT!

Another reason this is a TERRIBLE idea is, well, read Maureen Dowd's column yesterday. She has every incentive to sabotage Obama so she can run again in 2012. As it stands now, her chances are weak since if Obama loses, it will be seen at least partly as 'her fault' for being so divisive.

You are crazy aren't you? I kind of thought so in your previous post over the last few months but now I am sure (nervous laugh)...Have you had your meds today (trying to end conversation)...google twinkie...

Why would Obama listen to anything Robert Johnson has to say. After all Johnson personally attacked him and tried to derail his campaign. Johnson should crawl back under the Clinton rock that he was hiding under and go fund another business based on exploiting and killing his own people.

Let the man have some time to do what he needs to do, without all the pressure. She is no longer the opponent and he needs to shift gears and address a different population...all Americans, not just Democrats. He's done alright so far, so let he and his advisors continue to do what they think is best. Now, the objective is to make sure McSame doesn't make it to the White House. Right?

"Hillary's campaign, it would turn out, was based on a series of fundamental miscalculations -- about the mood of the electorate, the threat posed by Sen. Barack Obama and even the basic rules of the Democratic primary process."
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THAT... is the very reason Hillary lost and her supporters should accept that. If she didn't manage her campaign adequately why in God's name should we trust the Presidency to her.

the supposed 18 million Hillary supporters don't hate Obama, they will happily vote for him. This is so stupid. In a California poll, most Hillary voters suffered buyers' remorse. After her deceitful performance last night, she has lost more of her base. So stop that threat. Obama will never pick this shrill, deceitful person as his running mate.

Heard on the news a couple of days ago that, over the past 15 years, while "Rev." Wright has been spewing his hate-filled, racist, anti-American, anti-white speeches, and Obama has "not-heard" any of that, their "church", which recently gave a Lifetime Achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, has quietly been the recipient of $15,000,000 of our tax dollars! They are probably still getting it!

How'd they arrange to get that much of our tax money, who set that up, do you think? Separation of church and state? Has that been repealed? Do you think anybody should ask Obama if he had anything to do with getting that "church" this money? If he didn't, who did? Shouldn't we know?

If Robert Johnson had another brain he'd have a "rock collection." Take the top of his head off and you see a sign reading "Rest in Peace." Also the red wire would be connected to the white wire. What a mistake this would be...Hillary and Bill as C0-Vice-Presidents. What a drag on the ticket...two people who have lost touch with reality.

Honestly I am surprised she wants to be VP. Back in the old days the person to get the 2nd most delegates was pretty much guaranteed the VP spot. Given how close the election was her supporters definitely have a right to say to Obama- 'Look you want my vote in the fall, you put my candidate on the ballot as VP.'

If this had been more of an issue election she could demand some things be added to platform, but since Obama has the same positions that were developed by Bill Clinton 16 years ago, there is not much sense in that.

Obama is a talker - oh, yea. It's me, me, me! But that skinny kid with the big ears and black skin needs to remember: whites make up most of the voting public. He will NOT be elected because the United States IS NOT ready for a black man to be the President. It is unspoken knowledge. "Whities" (thus quoting Michelle Obama) will never put forth the effort to elect him.

The Obama campaign will be besieged by questions about Hillary's "shame on you, Barack Obama", her implications that he is not ready to be Commander in Chief, and all her other negative comments.

She knew what she was doing, and took herself out of the running for the slot with those comments. It would be suicidal for the Obama campaign to choose her. He needs to find a way to put a salve on the wounded Hillary supporters and to pick up her constituencies, but choosing her is NOT it.

"Hillary Supporter" - if the White House does not exist than there have to be a new Democratic Primary. The reason is that "the White house" was to main goal for the Obama campaign to reach. You know, if the main goal does not exist any longer - a new goal has to be set. And there has to be a new election!
European

Jeez! When is this harridan going to give up? She is clearly off her rocker now. Can someone call the ambulance and take her to the loony farm? And while you are at it, don't forget to throw in her crazy husband as well.

If we do not learn to laugh at this silliness it will consume us. Hopefully, everyone will take a step back and use reason instead of emotion. But for now, everyone has an opinion and a rebuttal. Most are quite amusing!!

Wow, I'm amazed at the toxic stew of comments here. You woman-haters seriously need to get lives. You all think you're electing the "candidate of change", but it won't matter as long as you don't see fit to change the hatred that obviously consumes all of you.

It's 3:00am in the new Whitehouse. Where's Vice President Hillary Clinton?

Here she comes!

Running across the Whitehouse lawn is Hillary BUTT NAKED wearing only a metal vegetable colander on her head!

"HELP! HELP!"

"SNIPERS ARE FIRING AT ME!"

"OPEN THE DOOR!

"HELP! HELP!"

all lights in the Whitehouse go on.

Michelle, "Who on earth is it dear?"

Barak, "It's that nut Hillary."

Michelle, "What's she doing out there? Why's she running around naked with a colander strapped on her head?"

Barak, "I have no idea."

Michelle, "Aren't you going to let her in? After all, she is your vice president."

Barak, "Not anymore. I invoked the "clinton clause", and did a "re-do". I picked someone else to be my vice president. Hillary is crazy. She's history. Maybe she'll go play in the street. Or maybe she'll get arrested for being a hooker. Of course, hookers don't have fat ankles."

Michelle, "Should I let out the dogs?"

Barak, "Sure, let's see how fast those little fat legs on her can move..."

HRC cheated when she said she won "the popular vote"! SHE FORGOT TO ADD THE 27 CAUCUS STATES THAT OBAMA WON AND SHE ALSO FORGOT TO ADD THE VOTES IN MI! She either does NOT know how to add {simple math} or she CHEATED! Give you a guess! Once a LIAR, always a LIAR! Can't EVER TRUST A LIAR!

THANK YOU. OBAMA HAS WON THE POPULAR VOTE. HE HAS MORE VOTES. REAL CLEAR POLITICS NUMBERS ALSO DON'T INCLUDE A FEW OF THE CAUCUS STATES THAT OBAMA WON SO HIS MARGINS ARE HIGHER THAN THEY APPEAR ON RCP.

Wow, I'm amazed at the toxic stew of comments here. You woman-haters seriously need to get lives. You all think you're electing the "candidate of change", but it won't matter as long as you don't see fit to change the hatred that obviously consumes all of you.

A wonderful chapter has opened of historic proportions in the United States of America. Unfortunately, there are those so steeped in self pity that they are unable to see what has just happened.

An African American man is now the first of such to be the presumptive candidate of a major party for President of the United States.

This is not just a victory for African Americans, it is a victory for all Americans. It shows that the majority understand that the time is right now for America to actively become one and for all. The nation, blacks and whites, republicans and democrats, should be proud of how this makes our nation look to the world community.

The fact it is not being made such a big deal is also an indicator of how far we have come regarding racism. Just because Obama is black doesn't mean he should be hailed as some super human being. I don't like him and it has NOTHING to do with skin color. It is because he is the most liberal person ever to receive the nomination of the two major political parties. The second reason is he has a huge lack of experience in all respects of government operation and foreign affairs. I could have voted for a non-white, and/or woman, candidate for president since I was 18 if that person shared my political views.

I don't care what color Obama is - it doesn't matter. What I do care about is his policies and I don't like them AT ALL. Our most liberal Senator with a very thin resume is now the nominee most likely because he is 1/2 black. How racist is that?

Hillary seems fairly unlikable but at least she has a long work history.

I'm stuck voting for McCain - he won't sell us out to the people who want to destroy us and he won't be nationalizing private industry.

" Hillary doesn't want the VP slot. She has set the stage for Obama to piss off her supporters one last time by saying she would take it knowing full well that he will NEVER offer it. He chooses a VP just before the convention and that action whips her supporters into a frenzy at just the right moment to deliver Obama a fatal wound in Denver. She has played a brilliant move, IMO. Whether you lover her or hate her you have to admire the savvy she has to manipulate the process to her advantage. "

An unqualified Black man is the nominee. Sad. I want a black President, but I want one that has accomplished something, other than using the word "Change" in every sentence. This is an embarrassment to every talented, and qualified black politician.

magda 1 and Sandy --- repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. It only proves your ignorance, racism, and intolerance. So if you haven't gotten the message yet, no one cares what you think.

The Pew Research Center at Harvard University is the most prestigious center for media research in the country. On May 29th it released it's study on media bias between Clinton and Obama in this year's campaign. Their findings were that there has been no media bias against Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama. They each recieved approximately equal positive and negative news mentions in the media.

I fundamentally fail to understand why a Clinton supporter -- a true democrat -- would choose to be so spiteful and promise to vote for McCain over Obama. The issues this year are too real and too potentially consequential to disregard the stark contrasts in policy and social matters that can be drawn between McCain and Obama. If one is such a staunch Clinton backer -- and trust me, even as an Obama supporter I can certainly understand Clinton's appeal -- it must be apparent that Clinton's passions are also Obama's passions. They want to change the course of this country in the same way. McCain, on the other hand, relatively moderate as he is (compared to Bush), is still anti-abortion and pro-Iraq war (among having countless other unprogressive visions). Why would you want to put our nation at risk of being under republican leadership again and, by extension, further limit our civil rights, etc.? It just doesn't make sense.

I have huge respect for Hillary Clinton and I think she would have made a tremendous president. However, she is not the party's nominee (on the basis of fair votes and every other relevant measure) and so we must select our president with the same conviction that drew us to either Clinton or Obama in the first place. They stand for the same platforms. Surely you must relaize this to be true. Let's not lose sight of that and play games, lest we want to lose more jobs, watch our economy spiral further out of control, risk our social welfare and whatever standing we have left in the world.

Funny thing is she didn't give a d*mn about the "BEST INTEREST OF THE PARTY" when she ran her GROSSLY ROTTEN CAMPAIGN AGAINST OBAMA, did she? I have to words for her and they are NOT "bite me"! She "deserves" NOTHING! The clintons have NO POLITICAL LEGACY and DESERVE NONE after her dispicable speech which again was all about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME OR I, I, I, I, I, I, I."

Why would you want the White House to fall? Are you some kind of terrorist? Who cares what Lebanon wants this is America? You know what a twinkie is...it is on the goody aisle at Walmart. Of course I am a Hillary Supporter. I have my pantsuit and everything

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All this when Hillary is beating him in one state and not losing by much in the other and he still doesn't have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination!

Out of all the cable news channels who were televising the primaries last night the only one that presented the events without bias was Fox.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | June 4, 2008 4:18 PM

Earth to Bruce--Obama has WON the nomination. It did not matter that Hillary won one of the last two contests last night or that you think that should have been the big story. And he does have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination b/c HE HAS WON IT! If it doesn't meet your approval that he crossed the finish line with pledged and SD, too bad. Doesn't change the fact that he won, although you clearly would like it to.

And I also watched Fox and their very sober and accurate discussion of the uphill battle McCain faces against Obama. They pressed the conservative arguments McCain can make against Obama, but they all clearly acknowledged that Obama's charisma and energy give him the EDGE over McCain in the GE.

Hillary needs to face reality. She's a pro-choice Republican. She's up to her snout in pork-spending and she approved bush's war of choice. She needs to ditch abortion rights, throw herself at the mercy of Rush Limbaugh and return home (she was a "Goldwater Republican" 40 years ago). Then she can run against Obama in 2012. And lose. Again.

A wonderful chapter has opened of historic proportions in the United States of America. Unfortunately, there are those so steeped in self pity that they are unable to see what has just happened.

An African American man is now the first of such to be the presumptive candidate of a major party for President of the United States.

This is not just a victory for African Americans, it is a victory for all Americans. It shows that the majority understand that the time is right now for America to actively become one and for all. The nation, blacks and whites, republicans and democrats, should be proud of how this makes our nation look to the world community.

It would be a big mistake to put HRC on as VP. She has proven to be a dishonest, unprincipled, pro-war, triangulating, divisive, blue-collar poser - and did I mention her pro-war lack of courage at the time it mattered? Also I really doubt she can sublimate her ego and work in a supportive role for the President as need be. All her Obama bashing now stinks. Obama needs to make his own bold choice for VP, showing leadership, and he should not to accept an aging albatross with tons of baggage. Once the HRC devotees get a good look at McBush they'll have to decide how far their identity-politics will lead them to the (religious) right.

"Hillary Supporter" - are you a Hillary Supporter? What is a "twinkie". Suppose that the Tornado hits the White House so badly that it falls down - than what will you/they do? Besides, have you heard that Lebanon didnÂ´t like that Hillary Clinton were not the Democratic nominee?
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Hillary, it's over, bow out gracefully and stop holding on to what is a loss. You did your best and your so called best was not enough. Admit it and move on. NO NO NO, NO HILLARY FOR VP. You have clearly demostrated that this would not be a good move for Senator Obama or the United States.

This may sound mean spirited, and it is not meant to be that way. I have to wonder about the way Hilary seems to deny at all levels that she has lost. It seems to be an almost borderline psychotic reaction, which begs the question, why? Could it have anything to do with the rejection she has suffered in the past due to her husband's affairs? Is it possible that she simply cannot accept rejection at any level at this point in her life? Her inability to accept the fact she was not embraced by the majority of Democratic voters, and her insistence (against reality) that she did indeed win, cannot be explained by any normal behavior that I know of. And I think that this is what most people find most disturbing about her reaction. It is beyond normal, and actually frightening at some level. I sincerely hope she can get past it. But I also think that giving her the VP slot would only make it worse. It would certainly not be in the best interest of Obama, should he become president, nor of the country. We need focus, not distractions.

Hillary needs to stay in this because she has the most votes, BHO can't control himself, and maybe another good friend of BHO's will pop up their head and BHO will tell us, again, don't listen to me friends, listen to me. As he sways the pocket watch in front of our t.v. zoned fat uneducated faces.

Hillary would be a fool to take the VP slot if offered. She would be glorifying a vilifiled candidate. She should just wash her hands of the entire mess and move on. If she takes the #2 slot, I will still cross over and vote for McCain in protest to Obama's cornation as the Dems candidate.

A lot of people are making generalizations. I am a Mexican American professor who has been active in politics for over 50 years. So I know a lot of Mexican Americans who are after all close to 70 percent of all Latinos in the United States. This vote went for Hillary because she was a known product -- they just did not know Obama. My students were nevertheless overwhelmingly for Obama. It will take some work but Mexican Americans will vote for Obama. The Clintons never had the cache of an FDR or a JFK who had reached sainthood during their lifetimes.

You need to get out of that ivory academic tower more often. In the real world there is more racial tension between Hispanics and blacks than just about any other two ethnic groups with the possible exception of Koreans and blacks. Obama has a VERY long way to go to get overwhelming Hispanic support. Especially with McCain being about the friendliest Republican going when it comes to Hispanics. Do you really think they voted for Hillary because they knew her better? Come on, they voted for her because SHE IS WHITE!

A few months ago, I was, like many others, thinking it may be a Dream Team for the Dems. However, in light of Hillary's comments, especially her innocent remarks mentioning assassination (repeated in March and a few weeks ago - and therefore CLEARLY not so innocent!)

These were my thoughts on that that I want to share with others & Obama's team:

What a classic move ... read Shakespeare's Richard the Second to see how the king (a weak & increasingly pathetic figure) makes a veiled reference to get his main challenger killed ... and when he is, the king expresses surprise and remorse!!

As I have been trying to hold on to some kind of respect for Hillary, she is repeatedly demonstrating that ..

NO EVIL MOVE is too low for her. NO SELF-SERVING, power-grabbing desperation is beyond her .. and her spin machine.

Very sad. As with our earlier "choice", it seems we get the leaders we deserve - UNLESS we send a clear message that we will not take this anymore.

Talking for change is meaningless unless you are holding the office.
Why is it so difficult for him to accept her?
Fire her if you don't like her afterwards.
But you have to secure the key to the white house first.

I are tired of all this talking about change.
What change? show us what you can do once you are in office. You have four years.

Just don't get "detached and incurious" afterwards.

Presidency is not some freaking trophy, it's a grave responsibility.

Hilary has every right to stay on. Did she violate any party rules? No.

If you are not republican, don't act like them. Let the process decide by itself.

All of this talk of Ms. Clinton beatng McCain.....she didn't even beat Obama. This is unreasonable, self-serving, and unfair. There are many people who could serve our country as Obama's VP. The Clinton's almost ruined our party. They are the people responsible for Bush getting in due to Bill's sick philandering. They are best left in the dust. And the next time Bill Clinton decides to question the respect the press has shown Hillary's campaign, somebody should ask him about his respect for his wife. He publicly humiliated her with a narrative that leaves many of us wondering why she has stuck by him. They are strange folks and there is no way I can honestly support that. She should get off the stage, it's over.

You need to get out of that ivory academic tower more often. In the real world there is more racial tension between Hispanics and blacks than just about any other two ethnic groups with the possible exception of Koreans and blacks. Obama has a VERY long way to go to get overwhelming Hispanic support. Especially with McCain being about the friendliest Republican going when it comes to Hispanics. Do you really think they voted for Hillary because they knew her better? Come on, they voted for her because SHE IS WHITE!

An Obama-Clinton ticket WAS A GOOD IDEA in the past. However, after watching Hillary for the past few months and in particular her speech on the night of June 3, 2008, I do not think placing her in the VP position is a good idea at all. She was so full of herself and did not have the class to concede. It was really something the way she went on and on about herself and her supporters. We do not need a self-centered, obtuse, and narcisstic Vice President. We need someone who wants to work for and about the average American citizen, with selflessness and enthusiasm. Hillary needs to return to New York; she needs to learn humility and how to be a classy loser. She acted like a spoiled brat who did not get what she wanted.

I'm so disappointed in Hillary. Tenacity is one thing, but to beat a dead horse is another. Now that she's out of the running for President, she's practically begging to be named as Senator Obama's running mate and using everybody she can to get into his ear.

Clinton's actions only make sense within the narrow confines of the most narcissistic of ambitions.

I fear the leadership of a person so willfully out of touch.

No one understands Clinton right now except the most narrow minded of people. More and more such narror minded people are using Clinton's campaign as a foil for their own distaste at the prospect of an African American President. Clinton - far from disavowing such a role - seems to relish it.

I can understand this must be very difficult for her. But so what! Life is tough sometimes! There are more important things going on than her desire to find her way back to the oval office again...

CNN certainly gave some credence last night to Bill Clinton's claim that this is the most biased media that he's ever seen. The best politically biased team on television was literaly gushing over Obama. Does Jack Catheter know Obama's married? As usual the CNN "panels" were loaded with Obama supporters-some identified and some pretending to be impartial. If anyone dared to make a point for Hillary, they were virtually shouted down. All this when Hillary is beating him in one state and not losing by much in the other and he still doesn't have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination! What happened to John King, did he make an objective comment or something and get banished from Wolf's Obama fest. Out of all the cable news channels who were televising the primaries last night the only one that presented the events without bias was Fox.

This is why the Constitutional Congress did not trust the citizens to select Senators and President -- ignorance. The U.S. Constitution states "The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves." This generally prohibits nominating tickets containing two candidates from the same state. For example, Cheney reclaimed Wyoming residency before joining Bush on the Republican ticket. Bloomberg or Clinton would have to resign and move to a different state -- very unlikely.

I have never seen such unchecked arrogance. The nerve of Hillary to float suggestions that she be considered for the vice presidency w/o so much as a cursory acknowledgement of Obama's triumph. In what universe is this proper social etiquette? Her lack of humility speaks volumes. We don't need more of the same in the white house.

Also, when the heck did handkerchief head Robert Johnson become a political advisor? Isn't he the same one who made his fortune off broadcast pornography aka BET -- the original pimp and purveyor of gangsta rap and lewd videos?? He ought to be ashamed of himself for more reasons than one.

As for Hilary, like many Obama supporters, I don't trust her as far as I can spit and that ain't very far. Her actions have more than earned her this distrust. She has proven herself to be devious, venomous and narcissistic. I don't think she gives one flying fig about what Americans want. She's out for no one, but Hillary. I believe that if Obama were to choose her as his running mate it would be a mistake of such mammoth proportion, he'd never live it down.

Thankfully, the future first lady, Michelle probably has quite a bit to say on the issue of whether to consider Hillary. Michelle Obama is time enough for Hillary!!! HAHAHAH

Can you imagine?? She did only invoke Robert F. Kennedy a couple weeks ago.....

So you know assassination is on her mind....

Let's be honest....Her delusions of grandeur combined with a belief in a manifest destiny and further corroborated by her distinctly being out of touch with reality.....thank heavens that she's not going to be president...much less VP.

All of this talk of Ms. Clinton beatng McCain.....she didn't even beat Obama. This is unreasonable, self-serving, and unfair. There are many people who could serve our country as Obama's VP. The Clinton's almost ruined our party. They are the people responsible for Bush getting in due to Bill's sick philandering. They are best left in the dust. And the next time Bill Clinton decides to question the respect the press has shown Hillary's campaign, somebody should ask him about his respect for his wife. He publicly humiliated her with a narrative that leaves many of us wondering why she has stuck by him. They are strange folks and there is no way I can honestly support that. She should get off the stage, it's over.

A lot of people are making generalizations. I am a Mexican American professor who has been active in politics for over 50 years. So I know a lot of Mexican Americans who are after all close to 70 percent of all Latinos in the United States. This vote went for Hillary because she was a known product -- they just did not know Obama. My students were nevertheless overwhelmingly for Obama. It will take some work but Mexican Americans will vote for Obama. The Clintons never had the cache of an FDR or a JFK who had reached sainthood during their lifetimes.

10. Hillary won the popular vote in Guam.
9. Hillary will help with the pant suit demographic.
8. If Hillary doesn't get the Vice Presidency, she'll cry.
7. With Hillary as Vice President, Obama will be getting two for the price of one.
6. Hillary can take charge of health care reform
5. Obama won't have to nominate her for the Supreme Court
4. Barak and Michelle can double date with Bill and Hillary.
3. Hillary can help build a bridge to the 22st Century
2. Obama and Michelle can get some sleep and let Hillary handle the "red phone" moments.
1. Bill can feel Obama's pain.

You don't get it. Hillary doesn't want the VP slot. She has set the stage for Obama to piss off her supporters one last time by saying she would take it knowing full well that he will NEVER offer it. He chooses a VP just before the convention and that action whips her supporters into a frenzy at just the right moment to deliver Obama a fatal wound in Denver. She has played a brilliant move, IMO. Whether you lover her or hate her you have to admire the savvy she has to manipulate the process to her advantage.

I am now convinced that Hillary does not want Obama to win this fall. She wants him beat in a landslide so she can reclaim the leadership role for 2012 or 2016. Her strategy is clear as glass now. I laugh when all these talking heads say they just don't know what she wants! It is obvious what she wants. They just can't believe she has the balls to go after it with such gusto.

The Clinton Polictical Machine needs to accept defeat. It's not about bringing the "Party" together, but about the Clinton's own personal gain. America is for change, and getting the Clinton's out of the White House will solidify the message that the American people want Washington to change. Lobbiest and "Big Oil" have been robbing the American people for years. Obama will remove their influences from Washington. America has spoken! Out with the old. Good by Clinton's.

now that hillary may not be the running president for the democrat party, me and my hispanic family and as we have talk to other friends none of us is willing to vote democrat not even if hillary is running for vp, we'll be voting republican mCcain will be the next president he will have the majority of the latino vote all across the US

Here he comes again, "Hoof in Mouth" Johnson!. Enough! Obama will choose his running mate on his terms with good advice. You can forget LBJ and all the other comparisons. Clinton's a poor fit and not just because of Bill.

While perhaps helping a bit with working class whites in OH and PA, KY's as "red" as it gets and WV won't vote for a Dem either.

Rendell may be a big mouth at times, but he's wise enough to know that PA can be Obama's particularily if he's on the ticket. There are many others, of course, and let the "troika" do its job and make recommendations.

Senator Clinton can have a bright future ahead of her if she plays the exit card properly. So far, she's trying to draw to an inside straight! Yikes.

Posted by: No When to Fold'em & Know When to Hold'em | June 4, 2008 4:09 PM
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What is wrong with the posters here and democrats in general??

You'd think that the Clinton supporters would be smart enough to rally behind the democratic candidate whoever it may be...

THen again clinton's supporters show an inclination to racism and ignorance..sooooo....

Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama, there really is no need to have Hillary as a VP option, since it would bring in no support from her team, and would lose support from the Obama team.

Hillary has no value to the democrats at this point, due to her supporters.

Memo to Hillary: the best way to NOT get the VP offer is to act like a jerk about getting it. What is one of her new-found down-home sayings? "You never know how far a frog will jump until you punch it?"

Punching will NOT get you a VP nod. But wait! Maybe that is what you want after all.

it would be a mistake for a lot of reasons, for Hillary to either be offered or to accept the VP.

That would dissed the the very reasons why people supporte dhillary. It was a lot more than about gender. For her to take th VP might look glittery to Hillary but it won't wear with democrats and they will be disappointed at one more betrayal.

she will not bring her voters as a block. Maybe she will get the bloggers but not the votes in november.

No-name:
"Right, like the hour long 'Town Hall' that ABC News put on with George Stephanopolous--former Clinton staffer--as the 'moderator' Noting like a free hour long Hillary Clinton campaign commerical posing as 'News' "

So... At least she got an hour where Obama was ask the tough questions. Note he refused to debate her after that... enough said.

As I said, the media in effect gave Obama millions of dollars worth of free advertising by mostly giving Obama a free pass."

Perhaps Bill is not the biggest issue. More to the point, does Hillary expect "Dick Cheney type power" or the more conventional ribbon cutting duties? The real discussion will center upon what she expects from the office.

As for Obama, he has to consider whether the two fo them on one ticket would be 'too radical'. Granted, she brings different constituancies to the table and ones that he has not reached as effectively as she. But, in the general election, will people be more comfortable with just one historic break through on the ticket?

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--A COUPLE HUNDRED MAX.

Normally, I would agree that a nominee should choose his own VP. However, this was not a big win, this was limping accross the finishline with the pack at your heals. Yes, he has the nomination. But, if he really wants party unity, he has not choice but to consider Hillary Clinton. Who else could he pick that would bring in those voters that he himself could not attract. Look at the states with the vote that matters (for all of you out there who were not around in 2000, ITS THE ELECTORAL VOTE THAT COUNTS) as we Democrats are all too familiar.

Despite the talk of pundits, etc. I do think it would be a good choice. He makes him electable to a wider variety of voters (Latios in the southwest etc. Remember Clinton won CA, NM, AZ, NV, TX). With a tiket of both of them Texas, yes, Texas could be in the Democratic column for the first time in over 40 years. Now that is great. Let's hope they don't blow it

He needs to pick a principled person. HRC is unprincipled. Why would she want to be a part of an administration run by somebody in an empty suit who isn't qualified to be commander-in-chief but gives good speech? That is what she said. Also there's the part about agreeing to the approach to Michigan and Florida, and agreeing not to campaign there, and then campaigning there and making the phony claim that voters there were being disenfranchised (by the approach she endorsed), after she herself said the race would be over on Super Tuesday. These are a few examples; there is no end to it, really. Last night, acting as if she'd won, on the night of her opponent's historic achievement in racking up the necessary number of delegates.

I don't know how anyone could agree to put her on the ticket except as a concession to pure extortion, and she's just the person to play that card.

Boy, this is going to get good! I need to sit back and enjoy the show until the convention. Hillary is going to do anything and everything she can to torpedo Obama this fall. She is a real scrapper though. Obama can't pick her as his VP choice and she knows it so when he chooses someone else her supporters will get whipped up into a frenzy all over again and it will be right before the Democrat convention. Man, you have to admire that huge set of gonads she has swinging between those thunderous thighs!

Why should Hillary Clinton take a back seat when she still has an excellent chance of becoming the first female US president? She should run as independent with Michael Bloomberg as her running mate--the New York ticket. In a three-way race, it's not the majority vote that counts but the plurality vote, and the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket only needs 35% of the national vote with Obama and McCain probably splitting the rest evenly around 32-33% each.

Furthermore, the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket only needs a plurality of Electoral Votes also, say, 200, with Obama and McCain again splitting the rest at about 170 each. This means the ticket only needs to win a plurality of the votes in seven states (CA (55), TX (34), FL (27), PA (21), OH (20), MI (17), and NY (31)), giving the ticket the total Electoral Votes of 205. It is worthwhile to note that Hillary Clinton won all of those states in her primary campaign. It is also likely that Clinton-Bloomberg ticket will do well in such states as WV (5), KY (8), TN (11), NJ (15), AR (6), LA (9), IN (11), and NM (5), thus giving her additional 58 potential Electoral Votes, which would still give her the presidency even if she loses California. In other words, the ticket only needs to concentrate on those 15 states--the Middle America strategy.

If she and Bloomberg run, at least 1/3 of women voters probably would vote for them, and 2/3 of Hispanics, about 1/3 of working class male Democrats, as well as about 1/5 of Republicans who are economic conservatives distrustful of ultraliberal Obama, who runs on hope as his solution to America's problems, and skeptical of McCain who runs on economic cluelessness as his solution. When these numbers are added up, it's very close to 35% of the vote needed for the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket to win.

Hillary Clinton is a policy wonk and Bloomberg is an extremely successful businessman, a combination that is exactly what the US needs to get back on track. Indeed, what America needs today is not a Democratic solution or Republican solution but an American solution, and what presidential ticket would fit that need better than a ticket made up of an ex-Democrat and an ex-Republican? It will be the true national unity ticket that will not only give the US the first female president but also the first Jewish vice president. Imagine that--two firsts!

Let's stop being Democrats or Republicans and start pushing for the Clinton-Bloomberg ticket for 2008!!

If Hillary doesn't become VP candidate or a Cabinet officer (say Secretary of HHS with a special mandate for reforming and universalizing health care), she may want to talk with Barack about his thoughts for the Supreme Court. A position there might prove to be a good fit for everyone, including Hillary's women supporters concerned about the future of Roe v. Wade. As Gov. Ed Rendell (PA) says today, the next President (be he Obama or McCain) is apt to appoint three or more justices.

Obama says he is a unifer but he is the presumtive, not declared, nominee and he can't even reach out the the only woman plus person who has ever, ever, received the most votes. Now, I understand that Obama doesn't want to acknowledge that but it was okay for him to promote it when he was ahead in the popular vote - our presumptive nominee who is unwilling to reach out to the strongest candidate for the betterment of our country - yeah, McCain will definately win!

Obama is political ruthless weasel, not mr. happy has he portrayed, and only has 143 working days in the senate before announcing his exploratory committee. We all know he is not qualified for the job, we all know he is worthless without his prompter, we all know he has lied about so historical events and people he tries to tie himself with like where and how his parents met to his creation of a nonexistent uncle.

Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, with all the money, influence, power behind him, institional biased media support AND HE STILL CAN'T CLOSE THIS DEAL!!!!!!!

Hillary NEVER said that Obama can't win without her but I WILL!!! AND so has ALL THE MEDIA that licks his face every day and night! Now, they have who THEY wanted but NOW they know HE MUST GET ELECTED....after he becomes the actual nominee since for now he is still just the presumptive nominee.

Obama will never win without Hillary. Look, what is the truth here? Obama studied the Clintons then used them as stepping stones to get where he is, fine, that is politics - even though he totally lied at said he was different and change and blah blah blah, no one believes him at all regarding all that now.

So what happens now? Obama is feeling and will probably feel the hot breath of Hillary on the back of his neck for four years OR HE WILL NOT WIN!!!!

Hillary's greatest fault was hubris...she simply could not conceive herself losing, and Obama winning. Her second fault, was voting to authorize this nightmare in Iraq showing herself as just one more self-serving Washington politician. The electorate truly wants CHANGE, and she's not it.

Nobody will deny that the Black Man is the most deplorable and abominable PIMP.
BEATING WOMEN NOT AT HIS OWN GAME is what they do so well, and Obama is no exception.
I am a Florida voter, and we will never vote for A PIMP.
THE GORILLA won't be able to PIMP off of John McCain's FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VICTORIES. CHIMP PIMPS don't dare to PIMP off of men. They are too cowardly.

If you can find me 25 people in the African-American community who really cares what Bob Johnson has to say, I'd be surprised. This man has disrespected Obama on more than one occasion and now, he's pushing for Clinton as the VP? How much weight do you actually think he carries? I tell you...NONE...

This is the same man who gave us BET, which has done more to harm the black community with its negatives images and stereotype of African-American women. Bob Johnson needs to shut up and sit his ass down somewhere because he is yesterday's news....

What is this all about, we have watched Mrs Clinton show us that she will do absolutely anything to win and now she is saying she would consider VP. SHE LOST.....

I am hoping that Mr. Obama will not consider Mrs Clinton as a running mate, she is exactly what this party does not need. As for her 17 million supporters, they are not a rabid as the ones on TV and a large majority will turn to Mr. Obama. In addition, there are so many good candidates to choose from, it would be a mistake for Mr. Obama to give her a moments thought.

a spiteful woman that still hasn't acknowledged his victory and a loose cannon husband that's an ex-president...yeah a match made in heaven. she should run as an idependent or go away. he's about change, she's not. besides she ran her campaign into debt and never got on track...in a primary. how can she help?

the fact of the matter is that if the people taht supported her decide to stay away and not vote for Obama, then they were just looking for an excuse to continue the failed policies of teh Republican party. They've shot themselves inthe foot, now they're made and want to shoot everyone else out of spite. SHE'D BE THE LAST PERSON I'D PICK.

Excuse me? Who does Hillary think she is? She's not even gracious enough to concede the nomination, has fought for months with her dirty kitchen sink strategy, and now has the gall to say that she's "willing to accept" the VP slot? Like somehow she's doing the Democrats a favor? Like it's hers to offer, rather than the NOMINEE's DECISION? Each time I think the Clintons can't shock me more with their brazen behavior, their egos take them to new lows.

Hillary won't add to the ticket, she'll be a drag on it. Obama can win any of the blue states she won in the primary, and wouldn't win the red Kentucky-like states anyway, with or without her. If anything, Hillary would weaken the ticket by rallying the Republicans around John McCain.

Obama should meet with her this week, thank her for her interest, let her know he'll add her to his list of VP candidates, then move on with his decision making process. He should not be bullied into this decision by the Clintons or anyone else. And no, he shouldn't pick one of the Clinton supporters (Rendell, Clark, etc.) as a "concession". The Vice Presidency is not some token of patronage to be played with in an effort to placate the Clintons.

Instead, Senator Obama should take his time, focusing his selection process on more dignified candidates who can actually help him change the tone of Democratic politics, not continue to sully it. If cooler heads prevail, he'll stick with someone like Richardson (great outreach with Western states and Latinos, and strong on foreign policy)or maybe even create a unity ticket with Chuck Hagel.

Nobody will deny that the Black Man is the most deplorable and abominable PIMP.
BEATING WOMEN NOT AT HIS OWN GAME is what they do so well, and Obama is no exception.
I am a Florida voter, and we will never vote for A PIMP.

Today America; the World is rejoicing at Barack Obama's Win last night....finally, after debating, running against 3 candidate's since March 08'. Oh yes, that is McCain, Clinton and Clinton. He has humbly and gracefully continued, despite the attempt to emasculate Obama by the three of them.

As a NY Senator, a former President that has prided themselves in the mastery of politics, and truthfully has been campaigning for 40 years now...'they should be professional debators by now', but they cannot handle defeat. She has the entire 18 mil, comforting her now. Pathetic.

Who are these women? Do they not have a life?

Her lack of conceding to Obama is the most heartless, pathetic part of her personality I have disliked. That is a product of narcissism, arrogance and frankly entitlement.

Hillary Clinton might not be the most impulsive, loud blowhard Clinton, but she's definitly the most calculating, manipulative and dangerous to the process and the Democrats.

Fox News had Geraldine Ferraro on 3X last week in a desperate attempt to make him out a racist and sexist to the Republican Party, broadcasting it out as Obama's unelectability. She should pay a price for this. Clinton was conversing with Rove on Stratagy....can you believe the loyalty? So, forget Hillary for VP, send her to Iraq as mediator between Sunni and Shii. She could also visit N. Korea as Madeline Albright did, without the title 'Secratary of State'. She could mind the Nuclear Arms in NK as a quasi journalist. Give her danger pay..

The VP slot is the best that Hillary can hope for at this point. If she really cared about her party, she would have pulled out about a month ago when it was clear that Obama was getting the nomination. Now that she's dead meat for the nomination, she wants to be VP? Spare us, please. I'm less inclined to support Obama with Hillary on the ticket...

To all you sore loser Clintonites. No one cares if you will leave the party or vote for McShame. You and your sorry candidate have damaged the party for far too long. All of you need to grow up. It is really sad to see many of you are just closet racists, using her lost as an excuse to not vote for Obama. This nation has begun to mature, and is tired of your divisive, irrelevant, and shameless politics. Please go, vote independent, republican, or green, or rainbow party. This nation will do just fine without you, especially when President Obama takes office January 20, 2009

Barack has shown respect, that he is gracious, and that he doesn't lose his cool.

Hillary has been disrespectful, lacking in class, and separated from reality.

Last night, Obama showed real class and he continues to do so. Hillary's supporters can't see the reality as it hits them over the head and just because she lost, is no reason to feel sorry for her. She lost on her own because of bad campaign plans and because of an ever-changing persona and message.

If Clinton's supporters think the best thing they can do for this country is to punish the country by electing McCain, then history will conclude just how loyal the Clintons really are.

Last night's victory by Obama should not have come as a surprise. For weeks, the media has concluded how difficult, if not impossible, the math was.

So for those of you that say she needs more time, I say bulls**t. She's had plenty of time to make plans -- unless she used the same people to plan for her exit strategy as she did for her campaign strategy.

So did Clinton recieve 18 million votes? Does she bing anything to the table?
YES!!!
What is the fastest way Barrack can gain the majority vote of women?
He can basically clinch the election with one offer before race starts.
why wouldn't he do it?
One offer vs the possiblity of John McCain, what would you do?

Posted by: Jake | June 4, 2008 3:33 PM

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

The dust has yet settl. Both the Obamas and the Clintons need time off to reflect and resolve some deep down inner conflicts. Without sounding condescending etc, I believe Hillary needs to slow down, take some time off and stop listening to advisers and pundits and Bill Clinton.

From here on it is practical politics and the enemy is conservative republicanism and their perverse ideology of inequality and rights only of their kind.

The answer Hillary needs for herself is what can she do for the country and not for her self. Can she listen to some body else other then her self serving advisers and all the other do gooders.

Nod oubt there is lots more to her then meets the eye and the outside. Can she start behaving like a regular dignified person that this wound up robot.

The some 17 millions vote that she got is peanuts as compared to some 325 million people who have a right to cast their votes. She should also consider that the US Congress has even a lower then Bush approval rating and confidence of the US public.

Is she still going to proceed as a self interest and self righteous, do what ever it will take or see a clearer better picture.

For a change let us see her shed some of the pants suits for a change. Stop taking people for granted. You are not smart as you you think.

I do not believe having Obama/Clinton on the same ticket is a good idea. All it will do is appease her supporters and distance his supporters. I do hope Clinton is doing the right thing by getting her supporters who are supposed to be Democrats to support the Democratic Nominee. I pray that this situation works out for the betterment of America!

Any chance Hillary had of being the VP nominee went out the window last night when she classlessly ignored Mr. Obama's historic triumph and basicly annoited herself the VP in-waiting. Her right-out-of-the-Carville-play-book power play had to p!$$ off Obama and his team as much as it did all of us "sane" Democrats. Hillary's supporters need to get a grip and start thinking about November and whether or not they want four more years of Bush-lite McCain, or a Democrat in the WH.

The coward up there can't decide whether Hillary should run as an Independent or a Democrat, and can't accept the concept of a DNC ruling approved by her own supporters. Clearly this person is not even a Democrat at all, but merely another Republican troll.

Catherine:
" - - - she took the low road in encouraging her voters that this process has been somehow unfair. It hasn't. "

Clinton was treated unfair by a media that in effect gave Obama millions of dollars worth of free advertising by mostly giving Obama a free pass. This because they did not want to risk being accused of pulling the race card. Also Obama won all the primaries before March 13 when his "Wright baggage" hit the news. Had it been known at the outset, likely Clinton would be the nominee today.

Why don't Johnson move to the Republican ticket. He's an embarassment to African-Americans.
Obama shouldn't pick Hillary as VP because he will constantly have to watch his back. She's so determined to be President, that I'm afraid she might conspire to hurt him in order to bump her up to President.

So did Clinton recieve 18 million votes? Does she bing anything to the table?
YES!!!
What is the fastest way Barrack can gain the majority vote of women?
He can basically clinch the election with one offer before race starts.
why wouldn't he do it?
One offer vs the possiblity of John McCain, what would you do?

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"It just seem to fall into our laps at the rights time and we ran with the idea" claims Michael.

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Not since Scalia strong-armed his weakling colleagues on the Bush Court to appoint W president has there been a more egregious repudiation of democracy than the hijacking of the Dem nomination by the "God D@#! America" crowd. Just as Gore won the 2000 election with a majority of votes, Hillary has won the 2008 primaries with a solid majority of votes. But both are denied their just and due victory by the slimiest of tactics.

To provide those Dems with an IQ greater than their shoe size a choice in November, HILLARY MUST RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT!

I am certain Senator Obama has no intention of bringing that egotistical piece of radioactive baggage known as Hillary Clinton and her equally narcissistic husband aboard on his ticket. To do so would be a suicidal move that will ensure McCain's victory in one fell swoop. Obama's first demonstration of fortitude will be to reject the nonsensical calls to put Hillary on the ticket and select a fresh face who isn't despised by 50% of the American public.

As an African American, I have lost all respect for Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. She has convinced me that she is selfish and power hungry. Her immediate interest is not the Democratic Party. This is about the Clintons, no one else. If Obama selects her as his VP, his administration will poisoned in every way. She politically toxic due to her narrow mindedness. I don't trust her, and don't trust her husband. On another note, magda 1, I know what you are saying,"gorilla" "pimp". YOU ARE SIMPLY A PURE RACIST!!!! GUESS WHO'S THE SPOOK AT THE DOOR, YOU!

Somehow I doubt that Robert Johnson is the right person to be leading the way in this. If Hillary Clinton wants to be VP, seems like she should have been talking directly to Barack Obama rather than leaking through a NY politician or Johnson and encouraging her supporters in effect to petition and exert pressure. As it is, she's arousing suspicions that if she's not handed the opportunity outright she will fight for it up until Denver and possibly upon the convention floor, leaving open or even exacerbating party wounds and jeopardizing every ticket the country over.

What she is doing could force Obama to say "no" simply in order to show his backbone.

All white fols is racist if they don't vote for obama. they have ruined this country but that is ok cause we are taking over the white house in novem. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black can not be free until he is in the white house.

Hillary has been a terribly poor sport in this campaign, not even having the good grace to concede last evening. And now she has the unmitigated gall to offer herself as VP!

Though I once felt I could support Hillary Clinton had she been the party's nominee, she's done an excellent job at destroying the positive image many had of her. Hillary's shown herself to be childish, petty, and self-absorbed -- someone who over the past several months has shown that she puts her self-interest above that of her party and of her nation.

Were I Barak Obama, I would not trust Ms. Clinton as VP (or in any other position of trust in my administration), since every time Hillary opens her mouth, she makes it certain that "it's all about her".

I would be concerned about a VP Clinton following her own agenda rather than that of the President. And unlike a Cabinet officer who's worn out his welcome, the Veep can't be fired.

Obama should choose someone who will be an asset to his general election campaign and to his presidency. I am forced to conclude that Hillary Clinton would be a liability rather than an asset. Sadly, she and her equally self-absorbed husband have squandered the positive traits that led many to support them. If she is truly the loyal Democrat that she paints herself, she will put all her effort into campaigning for Obama and other Democratic candidates without any strings attached. The decision is Obama's to make; neither Hillary nor anyone else are "owed" the vice presidency.

As an African American, I have lost all respect for Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. She has convinced me that she is selfish and power hungry. Her immediate interest is not the Democratic Party. This is about the Clintons, no one else. If Obama selects her as his VP, his administration will poisoned in every way. She politically toxic due to her narrow mindedness. I don't trust her, and don't trust her husband. On another note, magda 1, I know what you are saying,"gorilla" "pimp". YOU ARE SIMPLY A PURE RACIST!!!! GUESS WHO'S THE SPOOK AT THE DOOR, YOU!

Take your Obama voodoo doll with you and go blow up a building so you can feel better. But make sure its a suicide bombing so we can be rid of you for good. Or just have a stroke between now and November watching Obama run for president. Either way I don't give a damm what you think your entitled to!!!!!

Posted by: | June 4, 2008 3:01 PM

Asper clearly stands for
Asperger syndrome

Asperger syndrome is one of several autism spectrum disorders (ASD) characterized by difficulties in social interaction and by restricted, stereotyped interests and activities...atypical use of language are frequently reported.

Asperger syndrome is named after Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, failed to demonstrate empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.

19. get smokers to quit.
20. help people with eating disorders.
21. prevent child abuse.
22. help victims of natural disasters.
23. build a solid army and defense.
24. limit the pharmaceutical industry's control over medical guidelines and prescribing habits. many expert panels that decide on standard of care receive reimbursements from the drug companies;
25. change the electoral system...get away from a two party system.
26. figure out how to compensate the michigan and florida voters who were not represented during this election, thus having their constitutional rights violated.

add to the list people...take your energies and redirect them toward making the change we are all seeking. obama's the nominee...forget about vp...it doesn't make a huge difference....support obama and hillary regardless of who becomes vp. it won't make much difference who's president or vp if we don't act locally to make change...

I do not believe you can campaign for VP. I think it is a personal choice that belongs to the nominee. I also think Obama deserves to take a moment to enjoy his victory from this long campaign. I see not only Hillary is ganging up on him but so is her buddy McCain with offers for town hall meetings to start on the 12th. I hope that all of the Democrats out there stick with him so we can go on to victory in November. If Hillary does not get the VP nod it will be most likely because of the way she went about trying to get it. Obama offered to meet with her as soon as she would like to discuss this and other issues. Instead she has shown no willingness to even endorse him and has opened a campaign to pressure him to select her to be his VP. Meanwhile there is this fine governor of Arizona who would really put a big dent into McCain running as Obama's VP. Check her out. She has some great credentials. Then there is this 2 term governor from Kansas who would be a great VP candidate and is a rising superstar in her own right. As for all of this talk about Obama being this and Obama being that, it sounds like a bunch of ranting and raving from some Republican hatchet hacks. Hey guys the rhetoric is not going to work this year. Tell McCain if the New Orleans speech is the best he has to offer then he is nothing but an empty shell with nothing going for him. While you are at it you might ask him to get his teeth clean. He looked terrible.

These lunatics need to get it through their pointed little heads, there is NO PLACE for the likes of "Hillary the congenital liar" and her scum sucking husband "Bill the impeached & disbarred".
THE CLINTON'S ARE A NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT

This time it will be plegal for Florida and Michigan to vote. This time the APE will not be able to pimp off of McCain.
APES ONLY PIMP OF WOMEN.
But don't worry CINDY McCain, you're safe from this one.

NO NO NO to Clinton on the ticket. I want to see Obama take it all the way thru win or lose on his own. She will be a liability and will just incite everyone- Republican and Democrat- who want a change.

You don't make overt attempts to be vp in public; uncomfortably forcing the issue upon our nominee & you sure don't do it by refusing to even acknowledge our party's nominee on the night he wins it!! How utterly classless she has turned out to be! We are simply appalled at her horrid behavior as the graceless loser. Obama would be a fool to put her on the ticket. We will win in Nov w/o her -easily. We are now officially done w/her for good.

If Barack is foolish enough to take HRC for VP, I sure hope he has enough foresight to make her sign a Pre-Nup which says that should anything happen to him which might render him unable to fulfill his duties as President HRC would NOT become VP-- unlike the First Runner-Up for Miss America.

Otherwise, the Secret Service would have to be eternally vigilent, because "things can happen in June." And the other eleven months as well. Gulp.

This time it will be plegal for Florida and Michigan to vote. This time the APE will not be able to pimp off of McCain.
APES ONLY PIMP OF WOMEN.
But don't worry CINDY McCain, you're safe from this one.

The Associated Press Wire Service is reporting that Senator Hillary Clinton has conceded the Democratic Presidential nomination to Senator Obama. The AP reports that the candidates themselves hammered out the agreement whereby Ms. Clinton agreed to concede the election and endorse Senator Obama in exchange for a commitment from Mr. Obama to appoint Mrs. Clinton as the next Queen of England. No formal response to the story from Buckingham Palace, however sources inside the monarchy are saying that Prince Harry is "distraught". The former President is thrilled with the agreement saying, "Wow, they got a whole bunch of bedrooms over in that palace".

The vice presidential candidate should be chosen at and by the Democratic Convention in August. By then, the people, the Delegates, and most importantly the Nominee, Senator Obama, can determine who is willing to be a compatible and dedicated running mate and not a back seat driver thinking of him or herself as a co-president. It is Barack Obama whom I want to be our next president, and I don't want another's hopes and aspirations hung around his neck. Above all, don't choose a candidate who has not conceded that the candidate is the only candidate, and who is trying to get the toms to tell the candidate who to choose. Obama has not made himself the lackey of the Black caucus, and he will not. He has made this clear to all but the obtuse that he is the candidate for all the people, like Lincoln.

obama clearly isn't stupid, and picking someone who'd be constantly undermining him. what, you think she wouldn't be plotting? she's made it clear she wants to be president more than anything. why else won't she concede a race SHE JUST LOST? she's going to make sure obama loses so she can take it in 2012. what else could possibly explain it?

As one who has supported Hillary because she was the only candidate who is really prepared to govern as president, I am dismayed that she is not the Democratic nominee. However, she could ably serve as vice president. I would recommend that she be given portfolios of responsibility such as were given to Al Gore. Her portfolios might reasonably include health care, reform of the tax code to return it to its formerly progressive nature, reform of the Social Security and Medicare systems, as well as other projects of high interest to her. Al Gore did the nation a great service on the reinventing government project. The task of governing as president involves so many responsibilities, it is really important that a competent vice president be in place to assist. Hillary could surely do the job, if she wants to do it.

Maybe Obama should choose Colin Powell. Hes a loyalist from the other side of the isle in a big way yet has very centrist viewpoints regarding military strategy and social policy. You can't deny his experience in foreign policy and he was Gen during the first golf war and has been secretary of state. Which republicans or independents on the fence are going to choose McCain over Powell and Obama?

looking to the future continued...let's:
14. find ways to control gun-related violence.
15. improve public transportation.
16. fix the housing market problems by regulating the industry just enough.
17. never elect a president with strong ties to war- provoking industries like oil.
18. find ways to stop criticizing personalities like obama or clinton and redirect our passions toward the above goals.

The "B" word comes to mind when I read this article about Hillary.
Who is she to position herself for the VP position. She claims that she is bound to accept "for the good of the party." LOL!!!
How stupid does she think Obama, or anyone else is. It's not for the good of the party Hillary is pushing herself for VP....it's for the good of Hillary and her "sisterhood" of supporters.
I hope Obama isn't naive or stupid enough to pow to pressure and select Hillary.
You loose Hillary. Get on with your life soemwhere else, and let Obama get on with the business of winning the election.

He CAN'T make her vice president!
Even if he wanted to!
He NEEDS a clean break with the past!
OK
She's about the past.
She manages to annoy as many people as she appeals to!
Also, If he makes another choice for Vice President, he at least would not be making the Secret Service's job any harder!

Johnson said he believes Clinton understands that is it important now for her to recognize Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee. "I think she recognizes that people want a definitive statement from her hailing Obama as the nominee and announcing that she is no longer in campaign mode," Johnson said.
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The time for that statement was last night. She's a day late and a dollar short, and now wants to be rewarded for it.

The lack of grace in the Clintons is unprecedented. Even in defeat they are triangulating how best to continue their unbounded quest for power. Hillary would be the absolute worst pick for a VP. She will be clawing, kicking and screaming up to the day Obama is inagurated president, and probably even long after that day. Most thinking Americans with even a modicum of class are really sick ofthe Clintons.

The joy that Barack's victory and speech brought last night cannot be deminished by the focus on Hillary's campaign to be selected as his vice presidential running mate. This is Barack's time in history and the focus must remain on this magnificent accomplishment.

We do not see any of the other democratic primaries candidates actively campaigning for the vice presidential spot. What is so special about Hillary? Maybe its because she said that Barack was a "defective candidate". Maybe its because she said the he "could not win the general election in November". Maybe its because she hinted at his possible "assassination". Maybe its is because her husband said that Barack's campaign "was a fantasy". There is no legitimate reason for Barack to consider her as his running mate except the coercive threat from some of her backers that they will vote for McCain.

Barack won the nomination from the Democratic Party. He has every right to take his time and make his choice for the vice president running mate position with pressure or coercion.

Everyone should let him enjoy this historical moment without the distractions of the Clintons' new campaign for the vice presidential spot.

If Barack doesn't get to select his own VP, he will have shown himself to be powerless.

If Hillary's supporters won't vote for a Democrat that isn't Hillary because they prefer to be petty than create real and historic change, then we will get McCain, three more right-wing Supreme Court Justices and unending war in the Middle East.

My view is that Barack should be willing to consult with Hillary on his selection but not be forced to take her. She has too much baggage.

In fact, my recommendation would be for Barack to select PA Gov. Ed Rendell. He has been a strong Hillary supporter, so it would act as a hand extended to that group. In addition, he has executive and long political experience. Most importantly, he would appeal to the PA, OH, NJ and FL voters who have yet to vote for Barack, but whom we need.

Fundamentally, though, Barack cannot choose Hillary. She and Bill have said too many unacceptable things about Barack, she was literally delusional to think she could get away with that lie about sniper fire or simply delusional to say it in the first place, she refused to concede and give him the full spotlight last night, she could never be trusted by him, Bill would be a constant concern, and her desire to be President in four or eight years would complicate their relationship enormously.

Obama should not choose Hillary as VP. He'll lose all credibility, and I don't see how I could continue to support him. After seeing how sleazy the Clintons really are, I don't want either of them anywhere near the White House.

obama will never ask Senator Clinton to be his VP. Firstly because there is no way he will win the general election; secondly, he knows that he will enfuriate those 19 MILLION VOTERS WHO LOVED VOTING FOR HER, and finally, those big macho, sexist gorillas who are so adamant obama will be the next president need CONSTANT REMINDING THAT SENATOR CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE OF THE PEOPLE,THE PEOPLE AND MORE THE PEOPLE. THOSE SAME GORILLAS HATE SENATOR CLINTON BECAUSE THEIR PRIZE MONKEY PIMPED PIMPED,PIMPED PIMPED THIS LOVELY HARD WORKING LADY'S FLORIDA VOTES.
BUT THEN THAT IS WHAT GORILLAS DO SO WELL IS: PIMP.

8. find ways to insure all americans
9. get out of iraq and ask the international community to help stabilize iraq.
10. figure out how to defuse the anti-american sentiment in the middle east through diplomatic ways.
11. figure out how to extract ourselves from dependence on oil reserves (which will help if number 10 can't happen.
12. strengthen the u.s. dollar.
13. rebuild our infrastructure as a replacement for lost industries (ie auto making)

You lose Hillary! Get lost and take your sore loser 18 million friends with you! Who do you think you are? Nobody needs any of you!!!

The first of changes has been instituted with Obama's nomination. The next change is to replace stupid racist Clinton supporters with intelligent people! YES we are all glad that Hillary Clinton and her "Jerry Springer" crowd were too stupid despite their mob-like mentality to understand how to count, including counting small states and the TRUE popular vote! (If you got the most votes and lost then you are an even bigger moron than we thought!...shut up!)

Find a new party in the racist Republicans, find a new planet! who cares, but give Obama the vertiable RESPECT THAT HE HAS EARNED... NOW! You bend your knee to his intelligence and demand nothing! He has proven is mettle! You owe him your respect! A man with a bad name has litterally vanquished the woman and her husband with the marquee name of the Democrats! You stand down and respect his majesty!

It is his decision as a result of his victory he owes you nothing yet has given Hillary and her supporters far more respect than she or they ever deserved! The things she said and says about him even today are beyond the pail! We have suffered you fools for too long! Go away!

Take your Obama voodoo doll with you and go blow up a building so you can feel better. But make sure its a suicide bombing so we can be rid of you for good. Or just have a stroke between now and November watching Obama run for president. Either way I don't give a damm what you think your entitled to!!!!!

Why does this offer of Hillary's to be VP still feel so entitled, to me? Is it because of the veiled threat that she gave that she has 18,000,000 supporters she might take away with her? Is it because she hasn't acknowledged he is the Democratic nominee, but has said she'll be Veep?

Speaking of the Hispanic vote; Let check to see if their legal and past a law requiring proof of citzenship. NEWS FLASH TO ALL THE GOOD HARDWORKING FOLK:

One crime begat another. So if you entered illegally its a crime, you falsified record and obtained the following: driver license, line of credit, mortgage that also a crime. Let stop locking up African American males for petty crimes and go after the real criminal. As you have done in the past any gains from criminal activities should be taking awayfrom the illegals. ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IS A CRIME STOP REWARDING THEIR BEHAVIOR WITH VOTING RIGHTS.

When John Edwards was John Kerry's running mate in 2004 he could not even help Kerry win his home states of NC and SC. Is this the first presidental contest for you. Some of you cant seem to remember how hard Bill Clinton and Al Gore battled for the nomination in 1992. They were both strong presence people who today you would be saying the same thing about them as you do about Obama and Clinton. But they manage to come together as candidates and won 2 straight election and should have won three. Lyndon Johnson was a dixiecrat from texas who did not even like Kennedy. But he helped him win the presidency and he continued his legacy through when he took over as president after his death. Just because we are able to see the battles between candidates up close 24/7 on CNN,MSNBC and FOX does not mean that these two were the only candidates who fought during the primary then came together for the White House.

As an Obama supporter, I was warming up to the idea of a possible Obama/Hillary ticket; but now, after finding out that Bob Johnson is the source close to the Clinton campaign who's pushing it--I say not just no, but HELL NO!!! Who does he think he is, the black massiah or something. After he and his posi' sent that letter to Polosi demanding that the DNC leaders support Hillary, I have no more respect for him and his kind. As far as I'm concerned, he can take the millions his wife left him with and stick them where the sun don't shine...the nerve of him!!!

Hate-hate-hate, rant-rant-rant, Wah-wah-wah. And then let's throw in some 8th grade name-calling. Ohh, there's another shining example of those college educated brainiacs that support the messiah. Graduate, get a frickin' job, or better yet, join the military and provide some service back to this country that allows you to spew you venomous puke from behind the safety of your little keyboard and see if we can make a man out of you after all so your parents don't have to go around telling everyone you died in a tragic farm accident to hid their embarrassment that they actually could produce such a useless POS as you.

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Congratulations for fighting fire with fire. Ad hominem attacks, despite their increasing popularity in politics, truly do a disservice to meaningful debate.

Obama should be a shoo-in for the Presidency, but I'll neve allow him to grant amnesty to the 20 million, or so, illegal immigrants in our country. Illegal immigrants are already costing American taxpayers over 300 billion dollars a year, and that will more than double should they become legalized. It isn't going to happen on my shift.

Hate-hate-hate, rant-rant-rant, Wah-wah-wah. And then let's throw in some 8th grade name-calling. Ohh, there's another shining example of those college educated brainiacs that support the messiah. Graduate, get a frickin' job, or better yet, join the military and provide some service back to this country that allows you to spew you venomous puke from behind the safety of your little keyboard and see if we can make a man out of you after all so your parents don't have to go around telling everyone you died in a tragic farm accident to hid their embarrassment that they actually could produce such a useless POS as you.

jessica butyrin's comment below says it all. let's take that deep breath..........
now let's focus on the future. let's:

1. redesign our society to use non-carbon based fuels.
2. make products the rest of the world wants to buy.
3. figure out ways to improve our communities so it's safe to live and work. 4. add means for citizens to have healthy lifestyles to help decrease our levels of obesity, depression, heart disease and preventable cancers.
5. aim to make corporations responsible for the environment and the workers while keeping them competitive.
6.
7. regulate the stock market so insiders don't cheat.

The democrats only care about themselves, or "the party" as they call it, but what about the NATION? We need candidates who care about unifying the Nation, not the democrats.
The majority of people in the USA are not members of "the party".

Besides, if Billary is VP, won't that essentially guarantee the assination of Obama?
The "party needs to be unified", why? Only because of her unrelenting stranglehold on the pursuit of the Presidency. She cares about nothing else, and nothing will stop her from getting it.

"Why don't you help her in that endeavor [run as an Independent] so she will go the hell away. By the way...go with her!!!"
Posted by: Here we go again

The more Obama lets his media fan club and talking head shills do his talking, arguing and fighting for him, the more it's obvious he doesn't have real leadership skills except whatever rhetoric buys him with willing groupies. The more that Obama rails and shrills at Clinton via his media and talking head tools, the less in control he looks and the more his lack of leadership becomes obvious.

The fact that Obama can't deal with one tiny old woman who is in his own political organization, and who has great talent, 18 million voters and who wants to be invited to the party so she can play, too, undermines his vague claims of being able to deal with the most sociopathic tyrants and heinous bullies in the world in new and brilliantly effective ways that other world leaders have not discovered.

The fact that this brilliant, energetic and eager little woman represents some out of control demonized figure dominating and beating down the Obama universe is not only really, really funny, it highlights in yet another way (aside from the popular vote) who the real leadership candidate in the Democratic Primaries has been. Clinton has dominated the chatter of the primaries ever since early March. She still does. You're all helpless to stop her.

This is more than funny. For the disrespect, dismissiveness and sexism you've subjected her to, the Obama's deserve the gracious procedural and high-vis hell she's putting you through.

Now how can anyone argue with that LOL. Gee, did 9/11 ever happen? What a bunch of turds the lefties have turned into. Hate to get into a real fight with youze guys. Cut and run at the first punch. But we've always know that about you.

And I'm not a republican, I'm a conservative. I dislike McCain almost as much as I dislike your messiah. They're both say too far left, it's just that the messiah is an actual socialist who hates this country and McCain at least has a sense of honor.

hey cracker the only gap you should be concerned about getting together is the ones between your teeth since by her own words she has been pushing her health care plan for 16 years. And still no results??? I say next batter

"The arrogance of the Obama supporters here is staggering. It's as though the more than 18 million of us Hillary supporters don't even exist. Hillary carried our hopes and dreams and if you think it's appropriate to spit on us all -- well, you're on your own in Nov. Good luck on your future "hope" campaign that neither includes us, nor apparently cares what we think (or who we support). "Consensus" is apparently not something the Obama campaign stands for.
Posted by: Dan Campbell, Michigan | June 4, 2008 2:29 PM"

As compared to the arrogance of someone losing the race, refusing to acknowledge it like every other loser has done for 40 years, then compounding that by seeking to extort from the presumptive nominee the second highest executive office in the nation? Really?

You want to whine yourself in a pity party based on your assumption that Hillary was entitled to a nomination (instead of having to earn it according to the rules), go right ahead. But real adults know that just because your candidate loses a primary contest does not mean you run to the opposition in a childish tantrum of self-absorbed spite.

Clinton supporters who are angry at the way Senator Obama and his supports have treated Senator Clinton (the extended rancor over the Kennedy mistake, the sexist remarks, the old politics, etc). should consider the Weak President-Strong Congress Model for the next for years, or what I call Operation Chaos 2.

Under this model, McCain is elected, but as all polls predict, the Democrats take the Senate and House with significant majorities, thus the Strong Congress.

The Weak President will not be able to get through doctrinaire Supreme Court nominees nor any significant neocon legislation.

We will basically be in a holding pattern for 4 years; long enough for Senators Clinton and Obama to regroup and with others create a permanent Democratic majority that will begin in 2012.

What did Bush say about negotiating with Iran? "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

This is really "Animal Farm" syndrome. Shrillary and her Cary Nation followers have gone to great lengths to emphasize that they are entitled (based on some undefined historical indignities) to nothing less than having HRC put her feet up on the desk in the Oval Office and ordering the "boy" to shine her shoes.

They have spent the past couple of months shrieking about how the nomination was "stolen" (notwithstanding the fact that she had every conceivable advantage). They aren't going to stop now or ever until HRC moves into the farmhouse.

Up to now, this sideshow has been sufficiently entertaining that she has retained a good deal of media attention, but eventually this will pass. If Obama chooses a woman as a running mate, the media will recognize that HRC and her followers are no different than the crotchety old neighbor who peers out his window all day hoping to catch kids stepping on his lawn so that he can yell at them. This will be the most painful injustice: When the (mainstream) media recognizes that she is a crank and begins to ignore her other than occasional (and well-deserved) ridicule.

The audacity of the clinton campaign is astounding. Never in my life do I recall a presidential campaign where the losing candidate held a gun at the head of the nominee demanding a place on the ticket. While it may have happened, I sure don't remember it. As a one time fan of Ms. Clinton, I am disgusted by her heavy handed attempt to force Senator Obama to selecte her as his VP. If anything, her behavior has demonstrated why she will be more of a dick than dick cheney ever was. Hillary asked our advice last night and here's mine, go to HELL!

So Hillary enlisted Bob Johnson to put forth her push for VP? The same Bob Johnson who made the disparaging remarks about Obama a few months ago?
Is she joking or has exhaustion and denial turned her into a complete fool.
Please, no Hillary for VP. She cannot be trusted nor can Bill. It's always drama with the Clinton and it's always about them.

Posted by: Mimi | June 4, 2008 2:09 PM

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Johnson is one of those insiders like Vernon Jordan who have attached their wagon to the Clintons, and they are riding it out trying to still keep their place at the table. Obama only has to look at the apology letter Johnson was forced to send after making a very dumb comment. He and the other black bootlickers realize that they won't be able to cozy up to Obama, as he has repeatedly indicated he doesn't wish to continue the type of politics where the billionaires like Johnson attempt to purchase their way in his good graces.

At this point, the ole establishment both black and white alike, are probably the clear ones who are pushing Hillary to remain neutral as a way of leveraging her so-called 18M voters to squeeze her way in the process to represent their interests. Without Hillary, this establishment will be in limbo and unable to surplant their will on the Democratic nominee---something that they are going to desparately continue to push---right up to the point, Obama announces his choice.

Hillary is wrong for VP for a whole host of reasons, but none more obvious than that she was wrong on Iraq, the one issue that many pundits declare was the pivotal reason Obama's message took hold and he was able to best her in that 11 win stretch which secured this nomination.

For him, to now betray the loyalty of those who selected him because they believed he was sincere about the Iraq question would then undermine his own base, and paint him in much the same light as that of the ever spinning Clintons.

Man, has she got Barack in a cleft stick. If he invites her on, he looks weak: inviting as his running mate somebody who just last night was still saying SHE was more electable than HE was and SHE had won the popular vote anyway and SHE wasn't even admitting that HE had won and who repeatedly said he wasn't qualified at all and McCain would be a better commander in chief. Plus he gets that loose cannon Bill thrown in: three people who all think they should be president, what a horror show.

If he doesn't invite her, then either he has to find some other way to woo whatever percentage of the 17 million Clinton voters are vowing to vote -- or even work -- for McCain, or else find enough independents, Republicans, and new voters to offset them.

What a divider. What a spoiler. What a bloody mess she has made for the Democratic party.

Obama, I am with you regardless of whom you choose. I trust you will make a well thought out decision. This year is so important; it's been nearly eight years and it is time to vote again for the potential of receiving different results this time around. We have to get this year right. We have to get that White House back. It is so important if we are to accomplish more with less resistance with veto power. I strongly believe you should pick the VP whom would serve beneficial to you, as well as approval from supporters. Please, do not waste a choice if it will not help. We must have strategy here. It is important.

You have my backing. Choose wisely. Think long and hard. Observe your options, and statistics. Take your time.

Why Hillary for VP?.
Clintons are so power hungry and crooks that she will make W look like a saint.
Do you remember the long list of people
that were associated with Bill that were
found dead, commited suicide or disappeared?
Give us a break and run a clean government.

The good news for Hillary is that under Obama's health plan (which he'll actually get through), she'll qualify for low-cost counseling so she can sort out the twisted knot that is her conscience.
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By her own words she has been pushing her health care plan for 16 years. We can't afford another 16 years.!

I think your all jumping the gun. It seems yet again the Democrat voters have their heads so far up their BOTTOMS they cant see daylight... stop the squabbling.. Mr Barack Obama is not in the oval office yet!.."UNITE'.its the only way Democrats can WIN.

Still living the past there Tommy3? Chimpy is the past. Let's look at who Obamie is hanging with now. Let's look at what his hate-wife says now. Let's look at who is funding his entire enterprise now. And speaking of hate-filled, you and Michelle sure have a lot in common. What a hateful rant you engaged in just because you can't defend your useless, paper-thin candidate. Hate-hate-hate. Rant-rant-rant. Wah-wah-wah. Broken record of the moveon crowd.

Posted by: | June 4, 2008 2:36 PM
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And what do the Rethuglicans have to offer but more debt created by Chimpy and Father Time, A useless and endless war, and the hate of most of the World. You are stupid

To the (18 million) Hillary supporter's NEWS FLASH: The blackman did not keep you barefoot and pregant only to dump you years later for something young and thin.

Vent your misplaced anger towards someone else OBAMA shares some the same policies as Hillary so if your voting for policies you have no excuse to switch parties unless you really are racist hiding behind your vote. But be very careful Barack (18) million can easily return the favor and vote against any of your candidate on a local, state and national level. End result the male figures you are upset with stay in power and you get to stay home barefoot and pregant.

Obama's arrogance?! He won the most delegates and has the right to select his running mate. It's Clinton's arrogance to assume as the second place finisher that she is entitled to the VP slot. Let's be real, as much as the DNC wants to tie McCain to Bush, the RNC would love Clinton on the Democratic ticket so the RNC can tie Obama to Bill Clinton and his White House antics that occurred under Hillary's nose. Obama calls for change --- bringing a Clinton back to the White House is not change!

We now have a campaign between two individuals of character and honor. Let's hope that neither one of them picks running mates that will detract from that.

First of all, He needs to pick her to show that he does have experienced washington insiders at his disposal, its a good contrast to his newcomer status. She also will deflect a lot of attention from him by Republicans because they would rather pick on her than him. She has already aired his dirty laundry and we pretty much already knew most of hers. He will play to the new generation voters and she will play to the old schoolers that would normally go for McCain because he is old school. Besides who will he pick between now and August that has the notoriety to even be taken seriously as a VP. He would have to hope people would warm up to a person who may not have even been in the primary. Like hillary or not you know her and if you like her you will support the ticket even if you dont like him. She will not be president but she could secure her legacy by helping him become president and the VP. BTW I am a obama supporter.

I've read just about every post on this topic, and there are a lot of comments about Obama and real change, and HRC, and the same old Washington. Shut her down...Stop being a baby...and then, "Hillary is exactly what is wrong with American politics".

Here's what's wrong with American politics: It's an accurate reflection of America today. If there is any doubts about that, just read through these comments. Polarizing. Every single one of them.

Once Americans start acting with some decency and respect, then our politicians will follow suit. Until that happens, it would be fool-hardy to suggest that anything about politics will change.

For the Obama supporters: Obama is campaigning on a platform of change. But he's very clear that change starts with you - the American voter, not Washington.

What do you do about the other 49% of the population that voted for HRC? There is no clear mandate here. It would be a mistake to act as if there were, a la George Bush after the 2004 elections.

For the HRC supporters: Disenfranchising Florida and Michigan didn't seem to bother this campaign until it became clear that there would be competition for the nomination.

And polarizing sites like dontvoteobama.net are the type of irresponsible garbage that fuels an already heated debate.

For Democrats in general: If the party is ready to lead the country and be responsible, start acting like it. Not just the party leadership, but the party members (i.e., you).

When will this end? Hillary is a very poor loser. She is wrong to force Obama's hand to make her his VP. She "is using" the millions that voted for her to extort a VP position. She diabolically egged her support to believe they will be disrespected and ignored if she is not there to save them. She does not represent his style (integrity) of politics. First of all she does not believe in his leadership; she doesn't think he is qualified. So she will interfere and disrupts his leadership more than compliment him. This will not be good for the Obama ticket.

I hate die hard supporters their to delusional on either side, but if Hillary supporter are not going to vote for Obama, their reasons for voting are quite questionable as after all these boring debates i can hardly tell any real differences between Obama and Clinton policies. Why do they hate Obama so much, i think many of them are hiding their racism behind their votes.

If Hillary voters rather vote for Mccain than Obama, then obviously they have not being paying attention to all these debates

AsperGirl,
Please keep your whining to a minimum and would someone be so KIND and SHOW Hillary Clinton the Exit. She says one thing and does another. Please keep in mind that Mrs. Obama won't appreciate Bill coming over as often as he did with Lewinsky. And Obama doesn't smoke cigars.

Speaking of the Hispanic vote; Let check to see if their legal and past a law requiring proof of citzenship. NEWS FLASH TO ALL THE GOOD HARDWORKING FOLK:

One crime begat another. So if you entered illegally its a crime, you falsified record and obtained the following: driver license, line of credit, mortgage that also a crime. Let stop locking up African American males for petty crimes and go after the real criminal. As you have done in the past any gains from criminal activities should be taking awayfrom the illegals. ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IS A CRIME STOP REWARDING THEIR BEHAVIOR WITH VOTING RIGHTS.

McCain is way out of touch with hard working americans. He is in-touch with the corporations like Enron etc that are screwing hard working americans out of their pensions and Social security. So yeah he's touch with the people working the american people over. Thats not what america needs. We need to round up all of self centered whiney rich people up and deport them to the countries that they have moved our jobs overseas to. After what the rich CEO's have done- they deserve to have their taxes through the roof and more.

Franky, you are full of B.S....I'm a Hillary supporter and I'm voting for Obama because I'm a Democrat...Chances are, Obama would beat McCain without Hillary on the ticket, but why take the chance??...I think women will vote for Obama because of Roe vs Wade, but, why take the chance??..18 million people cast their vote for Hillary, chances are they will support Obama, but, why take the chance??...Obama ran a smart race and captured a ton of delagates by winning a lot of Republican states that Hillary ignored...My point is these states will go to McCain in November...We need someone who can lock up Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida...I think Hillary's that person....

Franky says: "Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama..."

Nonsense. Only a fraction of her supporters thus far are whackadoo/stupid enough to cut off their collective nose to spite the face. Ultimately, I suspect we can live without that small percentage, as we can count on a lion's share of her 18 million, our 18 million, plus another 25-30 million minimum in November ... if not more.

If we don't win, so be it -- Hillary will wind up with a large portion of blame and the whackakoos will once more get the government they deserve. They can, among other things, spend most of their net hourly wages on gas and Velveeta until they kick the bucket and continue to be miserable. If we survived George, I trust we can survive McCranky for 1,460 days.

Please Obama, not Helary for VP for God's sake! You advocate change. People voted and will vote for you because they also want change. Helary is not change, she and, dont forget Bill as her annoying shadow, are the sort of politicians you and the people want ot change. Start clean. Dont disappoint the people that voted and will want to vote for you.

Still living the past there Tommy3? Chimpy is the past. Let's look at who Obamie is hanging with now. Let's look at what his hate-wife says now. Let's look at who is funding his entire enterprise now. And speaking of hate-filled, you and Michelle sure have a lot in common. What a hateful rant you engaged in just because you can't defend your useless, paper-thin candidate. Hate-hate-hate. Rant-rant-rant. Wah-wah-wah. Broken record of the moveon crowd.

The bottom line is Obama can win the election by himself. Why intrrodce somebody as VP who thinks she should be president and who has used all conceivable means, sometimes not ethical, other times not decent, to subvert him during the campaign. Hillary Clinton can make a better president than a vice president. She is too ambitious, too self-centered and too dominant to be anybody's VP. Her followers will mostly follow Obama later on. Those who won't won't no matter what!

OMG - Daughter Chelsie is going to have to get a real job now that her mommy dearest won't be able to give her one at the White House. "Oh mommy mommy what will I dooo..?)Maybe daughter and daddy can go on the collage talking circuit as a team speaking on what America thinks and wants......NOT! Hillary, Bill and Chelsie do anything, but just go - please!

Hillary is just too polarizing to really make for a stronger ticket. If the goal is to WIN in November, then Obama should pick someone who can attract votes and help assuage the fears of blue collar white males (that Hillary did so well with). Perhaps John Edwards -- or perhaps someone more to Center. Obama's weakness with many is that his politics are a little too skewed far left.

The arrogance of the Obama supporters here is staggering. It's as though the more than 18 million of us Hillary supporters don't even exist. Hillary carried our hopes and dreams and if you think it's appropriate to spit on us all -- well, you're on your own in Nov. Good luck on your future "hope" campaign that neither includes us, nor apparently cares what we think (or who we support). "Consensus" is apparently not something the Obama campaign stands for.
Posted by: Dan Campbell, Michigan | June 4, 2008 2:29 PM

Hillary Clinton is the big liability and headache to Obama and his groups no matter how.
If Obama can go this far and knock her down uneasily and sucessfully, he should be wisely and carefully to pick up his VP as well. It is bout "Change" and "We can believe in" after all, Hillary has been the past sentence and her personality is even worser than Mccain.
She can be one of the older advisers in Democratic party and definitely not the role of Vice President.....NEVER.

It is important to be respectful of Hillary and her supporters. It is also important for Hillary and her supporters to be respectful of the nominee of the Democratic Party. If you want to vote Republican than you should do so. If you would rather have McCain appoint the next 2 or 3 members of the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade you should vote for him. If you would rather not have health care reform that by all means vote for McCain. If you realy want us in Iraq for the next 100 years than McCain is your man. If you are really willing to have all that happen because your feeling are hurt than maybe you should grow up.

Even if Bill behaves himself, it's too much of a distraction. The media will have a spotlight ready to throw on even the slightest Bill utterance.

Also, the idea that Hillary will help deliver PA and OH is a stretch. The dynamic will be totally different in the general election than it was in the primary. The advantage of Hillary is solely to get out the female vote and help with the Latino vote. Is it worth the risk?

I'd say go with Joe Biden (Or Sam Nunn?) for the foreign policy experience, and then we'll have a decisive victory for Obama in November.

Could someone be so KIND and SHOW Dan from michigan and his owner Hillary Clinton the Exit. She says one thing and does another. Please keep in mind that Mrs. Obama won't appreciate Bill coming over as often as he did with Lewinsky. And Obama doesn't smoke cigars.

Oh come on here get real,if Hillary Clinton
is stupid enough to accept being Muslim
Extremist,Elitist Liberal Looney Toons,
Black Racist Empty Suit Phony Messiah Loser
Barack Hussein Obama's Vice President Role
then Hillary Clinton will have just proven
herself to be the Dumbest Woman Alive since
Obama will never be elected President not
even if God Almighty was his Vice President. Hillary Clinton just lost my
vote,as an Independent Voter with that and
I will hold my nose and vote for John McCain instead. No Obama in 2008!

Posted by: its a bloody mess of a war | June 4, 2008 2:32 PM
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Clinton should be on the top of the ticket. An Independent ticket.

Here are a couple of good quotes from last month:

"McCain is the candidate who can't lose, fielded by the party who can't win this year. Obama is the candidate who can't win, fielded by the party that can't lose this year."

"Obama's campaign is better than the candidate. Clinton as a candidate is better than her campaign."

The strange thing about this year is that all the right candidates are in all the wrong parties and the best candidates have the lamest campaigns and vice versa. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have a lock on the general election. Of them all, the one without the party, Hillary Clinton, is best positioned to take the center away from them both because the weaknesses of the other two candidates fall within her strengths and the strengths of the other candidates are in extremists who are mutually exclusive as voters (i.e. don't overlap).

This is the classic demographic/political triangulation.

The Clintons are the politicians who could pull off an Independent win given their candidate this year with the other campaigns being what they are.

The Obama supporters better take a lead from their candidate and stop the attacks on Hillary Clinton and her supporters of they may be the ones to blame for Obama's loss in November.

Obama needs Hillary Clinton and her supporters to vote for him to win. Without them the nomination means nothing.

Whether or not he chooses Hillary Clinton as his VP is not relevant. But Clinton has now said she will do anything the party wants up to and including being VP. So no one can blame her for his loss either way if it happens. That is smart politics by Clinton.

I believe it is Obama's choice now and if decides he doesn't need her and can win without her on the ticket that is fine.

People ought to remember that Gerald Ford didn't take Reagan in 1976- had he Jimmy Carter would most likely have never been President. JFK only won because he had Johnson on the ticket- and Reagan took Bush- Politics makes strange bedfellows but remember the object is to win.

For those who say it would nullify Obama's message of change- all Obama has to say to the nation and the world is-"There can be no greater signal of change than for the United States to elect an African American as President and a woman as Vice President". Barack Obama brings the young vote, the African American vote, and the liberal elite vote. Hillary brings with her women, Hispanics and seniors. It is an unbeatable team.

Alone Obama will struggle to get to 270 electoral votes. But the decision should be his alone to make.

Hillary Clinton, GO INDEPENDENT. You have a lot of Republicans backing you who could NOT vote for you in the early primaries.
Hillary should never stoop to being a VP with Obama since he is as dirty as his friend Rezko whom introduced Obama to his close friends Saddams close ties Auchi, Saddam's money launder, & Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae. When Alsamarrae was arrested and jailed in Iraq, his children called B. Obama and asked for his help in getting their Father released from Prison. These are extremely wealthy people, why are they calling on a JR. US Senator to help them have their Father released from jail in Iraq.?Who is Obama that they would call on him? It is was posted in the Chicago Sun Times that Rezko recieved 3.5 million from Auchi to help him become a US Citizen. Is this part of the Rezko Trial. FBI phone records show that Obama speaks with Rezko almost everyday and dropped by his office at least once a week. HYMMM Liar said he hardly knew Rezko at the SC Debate. and the DNC nominates this closet commie.
* He has the worst record in the Senate. Right behind SD Johnson who was absent due to Brain Cancer. What was Obama's excuse other than laziness.
* Obama helped Rezko get a $100 million Grant to rehab buildings in Chicago. Take a look at the nasty Ghetto after Rezko got the money and Obama's district got the shaft. Go Google obama's slums. See if thats who you want running our Nation. Obama could NOT keep his District running smoothly how will he run a Nation.

Speaking of the Hispanic vote; Let check to see if their legal and past a law requiring proof of citzenship. NEWS FLASH TO ALL THE GOOD HARDWORKING FOLK:

One crime begat another. So if you entered illegally its a crime, you falsified record and obtained the following: driver license, line of credit, mortgage that also a crime. Let stop locking up African American males for petty crimes and go after the real criminal. As you have done in the past any gains from criminal activities should be taking away. THAT INCLUDES ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

The arrogance of the Obama supporters here is staggering. It's as though the more than 18 million of us Hillary supporters don't even exist. Hillary carried our hopes and dreams and if you think it's appropriate to spit on us all -- well, you're on your own in Nov. Good luck on your future "hope" campaign that neither includes us, nor apparently cares what we think (or who we support). "Consensus" is apparently not something the Obama campaign stands for.

Bob Johnson is a disgraceful representation of black people. He is proud that he sold poison to his people, didn't grow his TV business into the powerhouse it could have been by creating a "true" network instead of a fastbuck ATM machine for himself.

Notice no black person got behind his airline idea, NO WAY would anyone ride those planes because of the way he managed BET - talking about the sky is falling!

Sir! Turn in your card!

Backing Hilliary must mean money in his pockets. Noble - not in his vocabulary.

The only reason the good hardworking folk look the other way when it comes to the Hispanics is for their votes. Never mind the increase in taxes due to educating Mexico children as long as they vote in conjuction with the good hardworking folk belief's. Well if you pass law requiring a (89) year African American women to produce ID to vote its time we put the spot light on the Hispanics. TIME TO PASS LAWS REQUIRING ID TO PROVE YOU ARE A LEGAL CITIZEN OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

Would someone be so KIND and SHOW Hillary Clinton the Exit. She says one thing and does another. Please keep in mind that Mrs. Obama won't appreciate Bill coming over as often as he did with Lewinsky. And Obama doesn't smoke cigars.

Thought in passing: if HRC is hoping for a reset in 2012, she'd better work her b@tt off for Obama this year. Because his voters can stay on the fence in 2012 just as easily as hers can in 2008, and they will if she or her supporters are culpable for a 2008 Obama defeat.

Hillary is disgraceful! Last night was an historic moment and she should have said that and congratulated Obama for his win! She's had plenty of time to realize this was going to happen. Instead, she has her campaign person come out and introduce her as the next President. Are they kidding? What is wrong with these people? She gets out there like she's still running and demands respect for her supporters. SHE doesn't even have respect for her supporters - she's holding them hostage to get something she wants. What an embarrassment to all women. She showed last night that what the Clintons want and need is her only priority. It was all about her, not her supporters, not her party and certainly not her country. Her true colors are flying! Even President Bush congratulated Obama on his win. She's a very devious, sad person and does not belong in any governmental seat.

Now the Repuke idiot is saying Obama sold coke. Yeah, he was Superfly and drove around in a big hat. What a crock.

Obama cleaned up his act, went to college, went to law school, got into politics and now he's going to be the next President.

Funny how you Repukes don't want us to look at Chimpy's "youthful indiscretions", which went on until his 40s and may still be continuing today. And you sure don't want us to talk about Chimpy went AWOL in Alabama.

But when Obama is accused of selling coke as a young man before he cleaned up his act, you're all over the coke and completely ignore the fact that he cleaned up his act.

You Repukes are disgusting piles of crap. You're lying, smearing hypocrites who call yourselves Christians but support murder and torture. Repukes can all go to Hell.

Once upon a time, I supported Hillary Clinton. But the way she behaved, the sheer unpleasantness of both Hillary and Bill Clinton on the trail slowly eroded any support I could give them. At this point: I can not trust Hillary for anything except furthering her self interest. Obama sounds good, but he's got a mountain of details he needs to construct. I fear he has no idea how difficult and complex that task is. Especially since the Democratic Party now appears to be a loose collection of splinter belief systems that will change individual direction in vague response to the wind or tides. What sort of party has this become? Ridiculous. On the one hand we have a Republican party coming off of some 12+ years of total religious fanaticism as it's core force (look out, that's not McCain, how DID he get all those votes?) and on the other hand we have a Democratic party that for the same period of time appears destined to destroy itself by clinging onto narrow ideas about what is "really important". As important as "gay marriage" clearly is to the parties involved, it would be ridiculous to have either "gay marriage" or some other narrow interest issue be the achilles heal of yet another Democratic Presidential candidate. So, what are the core ideals that Democrats share? Revulsion of Bush? Disgust with Iraq as a trap? These can't possibly be the big issues that sweeps a President into office! These are issues, part of a matrix. So, Obama: "Where's the beef?"

An Obama-Clinton white house would be too dysfunctional. He can pick someone else who he'll actually be able to work with. If Hillary's on the ticket, it goes against everything Obama supporters voted for. Remember, the two of them had essentially the same ideas; people chose Obama because they either liked him more or disliked her more. Besides, if 2/3 of the country doesn't trust her, how does it help having her on the ticket? Obama needs to show his new politics here and go with someone who can help him unify the nation. Clinton's not that person - which is why I never voted for her in the beginning.

Please, not Hillary. If Obama really wants us to believe his platform of change then Hillary is not the answer as VP. She and Bill are too polarizing and too much a distraction. Her arrogance and self centered attitude will not allow her to play a secondary roll and Bill is not going to stay out of the political limelight regardless of what is said. Start with a clean slate, there should be no entitlement here.

I agree with everyone who has stated that choosing Hillary Clinton as his VP would not be wise. For one Ms. Clinton has repeatedly attacked, belittled, and tried to demoralize Barack Obama....After all she was the one behind the exploitation, and misconstruction of his former minister's words. Her tactics were nothing short of ruthless, conniving, and manipulative. But in the end Hillary still lost because she was not smart enough to campaign in smaller delegate rich states, she instead chose to focus on "battleground states". Hillary is not to be trusted.....I am a Democrat, and I trust McCain more than her. With that being said, I hope Barack chooses a VP wisely....otherwise it will not only be the first time in history that the US has a black president and female vice president, but also the first time that a VP is impeached/stripped of executive power duties, lol

It really does not matter who Obama selects there is no way that he will defeat Senator John McCain in November. As a Fred Thompson supporter initally I felt hesitant to support Senator McCain. The more I listen to him however, I feel as though he is the best candidate to rally a divisive Republican Party. Come November voters will see how out of the mainstream Obama is. The Senator from Illinois scares me largely because of his anti-american rhetroic.

America is need of a candidate who has the knowledge necessary to defend us during a time of war. I have all the confidence in that world that a John McCain Paul Ryan ticket would achieve that goal. McCain clearly is a genius when it comes to National Security/foreign Policy, he is very conservative on domestic issues as well as many of the social issues. Rep. Ryan is young, conservative, and the ranking member of the House Budget committee. It does not matter who Obama selects as Vice President because he cannot beat McCain.

Shame to all obama"s supporters..They ought to know how emotional it was for all hillary and obama's supporter.So why cant we all take the easy part by endorsing obama - hillary ticket termed "DREAM TICKET"..Why do we seek to see more battles?.Politics is all about bargaining,compromising.So if hillary wants to bargain then so be it.if obama is reasonable and have good advisers ,then let him go to table and negotiate because majority of the hillary supporters are still with her and would be ready to do anything to ditch obama...JUST TO SAY HE IS A WEAK CANDIDATE...LET not deceive ourselves if majority of hillary's supporter should vote for mccain then obama is DOOMED.So wisely offer her the VP slot for you to make SUCCESS history or as a first BLACK nominee who NEVER become president.........DEMOCRATS BE WISE!!!!!!!OBAMA BE WISE!!!!!

Stop trying to force someone to take Clinton. She lost. Maybe a little humility from her and her followers would take her a lot further. Damn you are only 18 million out of 300 Million so get over yourselves

"You aren't paying attention. 18 MILLION PEOPLE! You can not ignore their voting power."

Those 18 million voted for their choice to win the Democratic nomination. As for the election in November, their choice will be to vote with their party or against it. If those 18 million are no longer Democrats and are not loyal to what the party stands for, then sure they will vote for McCain.

Hillary can not be trusted. However much Obama wants to say that Hillary has run a good campaign, she basically has sabotaged his chances of winning the white house, by using her surrogates to go after his faith, his color, his upbringing and just about everything. Moreover once she realized a few months ago that she can not win the nominaiton, she was basically setting herself up to be the veep by rallying the public to think that Obama cannot win the swing states. That was like taking a baseball bat and deliberately hitting on Obama's knee. A veep has to be a trusting person whom the president can rely on. Not somebody who has her own agenda. Hillary is already a scorned woman, who is going to go with her own judgement of things rather than complement the presidency. Hillary is a bad choice as a veep.

There's 50 million other voters we can get. We don't need your 18 million turncoats, who, like their hero who lacked the judgment and foresight to see through the AUMF, lacked the judgment and foresight to pick the right horse.

But to lose sight of the still present gender and economic class barriers while achieving the former would set us back big time.
No woman has gone farther toward piercing this glass ceiling than Hillary Clinton. And nothing less than defiance could have gotten us to where she has brought us so far.
I understand how Michelle Obama could say, "for the first time in my adult life, I feel proud of my country." For the first time in my adult life, I have felt inspired by our political process, because of what Hillary Clinton has so courageously brought to the table. She has won a huge place as the first ever representative for some 17,000,000 of us in this country
Income of $50,000+ may cushion some women from noticing, or even encountering, underpayment for equal work, or denial of job opportunity/advancement. But for many in the "lower bracket" crowd, each penny and every chance can make or break the situation.
For men, too, the injustice in offering to some, unlivable wages, while rewarding others with thousands upon thousands of dollars per hour (even for time they spend in the bathroom!), is a wrong Clinton clearly looks to right. Along with this, her nuanced command of facts and concepts, and her fluency in bringing these to bear in all kinds of unpredictable, heat-of-the-moment situations, her ability to smile on through all the off-topic bias and prejudice, are among her many characteristics that make her unparalleled in qualification for national leadership.
If Barack Obama and Clinton can find a way to reach across divides and divergencies, to give her the vice presidency in a way that aptly utilizes her immense skills without conflicting with those of Mr. Obama, and if the result would be a truly effective working relationship, I would support that a thousand percent.
That would create the most exciting, most representative ticket our country has ever witnessed, bar none.
But should this be impossible, I cannot vote for Mr. Obama, unless Clinton's unique efforts, abilities and contributions are fully recognized by finding for her a position that would utilize these to the fullest potential. To ignore her contributions and the needs of the 17,000,000 she so uniquely represents would be unforgivable.

Speak of the Hispanic vote; Let check to see if their legal and past a law requiring proof of citzenship. NEWS FLASH TO ALL THE GOOD HARDWORKING FOLK:

One crime begat another. So if you entered illegally its a crime, you falsified record and obtained the following: driver license, line of credit, mortgage that also a crime. Let stop locking up African American males for petty crimes and go after the real criminal. As you have done in the past any gains from criminal activities should be taking away. THAT INCLUDES ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

I think it would be a HUGE mistake to name Hillary as vice pressident. She has no intergrity and has proved once and for all that she is OLD WASHINGTON POLITICS. She is CROOK. If Obama takes her on the ticket- thats not change and I wont vote for her. I think that anyone who supports her is a sexist idiot themselves. I as a 36 year old mother of two dont need or want anything Hillary has to offer.She has set a terrible example for me, my daughter and all women with her misdeeds and outright lies. She is power hungry socialite riding her husband coat tails. I will never support the kind of message she is sending.
SHE SUCKS!!!!

Do You not understand how this campaign went, she vetted out all of the dirt which will be thrown at him by mccain, that is what they agreed to do so that he/she will have a more clear election road in the general election.It wasn't malicious campaigning, it was obvious disallowance of the usual divisive trash the repugs use to get themselves elected.They were outplayed this time, nothing is left in the bag.Now they will play on hillary clinton supporters dislike of the way they are treated by obama and many will side with maccain. Someone high up on hillary's campaign , if not Hillary herself as vp candidate, will be needed to win.

Obama would be better served by someone like Joe Biden as VP. Hillary (and Bill) would simply undermine everything his candidacy stands for....CHANGE from the politics of the past. If Obama offers Clinton the VP spot I for one will be sorely disappointed. I don't trust the Clinton's as far as I can spit.

Shame to all obama"s supporters..They ought to know how emotional it was for all hillary and obama's supporter.So why cant we all take the easy part by endorsing obama - hillary ticket termed "DREAM TICKET"..Why do we seek to see more battles?.Politics is all about bargaining,compromising.So if hillary wants to bargain then so be it.if obama is reasonable and have good advisers ,then let him go to table and negotiate because majority of the hillary supporters are still with her and would be ready to do anything to ditch obama...JUST TO SAY HE IS A WEAK CANDIDATE...LET not deceive ourselves if majority of hillary's supporter should vote for mccain then obama is DOOMED.So wisely offer her the VP slot for you to make SUCCESS history or as a first BLACK nominee who NEVER become president.........DEMOCRATS BE WISE!!!!!!!OBAMA BE WISE!!!!!

The political ideologies of both Clinton and Obama are roughly similar and so most of what we have to consider between the two comes down to personality. Given the behavior of Clinton and her supporters over the course of this primary, I'm not convinced she would unify the party/nation. Likewise, she wouldn't deliver a positively-changed image of the US to the international community... If the situation were reversed, I believe Obama and his supporters would politely concede the election - not only for the good of the party but simply because that's just how the game is played.

It was so great to hear Karl Rove talking about how we cannot afford universal healthcare, conveniently forgetting to mention the cost of the war and the Halliburton contracts that are raking all the tax payers dollars...heheheh

Franky says: "Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama..."

Nonsense. Only a fraction of her supporters thus far are whackadoo/stupid enough to cut off their collective nose to spite the face. Ultimately, I suspect we can live without that small percentage, as we can count on a lion's share of her 18 million, our 18 million, plus another 25-30 million minimum in November ... if not more.

If we don't win, so be it -- Hillary will wind up with a large portion of blame and the whackakoos will once more get the government they deserve. They can, among other things, spend most of their net hourly wages on gas and Velveeta until they kick the bucket and continue to be miserable. If we survived George, I trust we can survive McCranky for 1,460 days.

Why would Hillary want to be VP? Being number 2 to a charismatic leader is a thankless job. Ask Bush, Sr, Al Gore or even Gordon Brown in Britain. Obama should "consider" her, Hillary should "consider" accepting, and then they should both agree this is a bad idea.

You aren't paying attention. 18 MILLION PEOPLE! You can not ignore their voting power. You can cry about Hillary not leaving Bill, you can cry about her being a woman, you can cry because she admittedly made the mistake of voting for the war. But 18 million people can not be ignored. Don't be the naive over educated twits everyone says you are.

First of all, I was thrilled to see Obama take the Democratic nomination. Not because he is black, but because I feel he was the best candidate with the best vision for our country. I'm afraid Hillary is too similar to Cheney to me and we don't need more of the same. She is definitely not Bill, who by the way I think would make an excellent VP choice.

In January, 2008, Johnson became the target of criticism for remarks he made to supporters of Hillary Clinton about Barack Obama. Johnson taunted Obama about his self-confessed past cocaine use. The Clinton campaign denied this, submitting that the comments were referring to Obama's work as a community organizer.[5] In subsequent days, Johnson was roundly criticized for his comments as hypocritical given the prodigious glorification of drug use and sale by artists prominently featured on BET."

In January, 2008, Johnson became the target of criticism for remarks he made to supporters of Hillary Clinton about Barack Obama. Johnson taunted Obama about his self-confessed past cocaine use. The Clinton campaign denied this, submitting that the comments were referring to Obama's work as a community organizer.[5] In subsequent days, Johnson was roundly criticized for his comments as hypocritical given the prodigious glorification of drug use and sale by artists prominently featured on BET."

You NEVER hire someone that is trying to strong-arm you. GET HER OUT OF THERE! And Bill in there too? NIGHTMARE. Bill and Hill's disgraceful behavior should banish them from power forever; or we continue to be idiots.

But last night she really did a great disservice to the Democratic party, and truly to this nation. It was a historic moment for this country, and she didn't give damn about that since it wasn't her moment. I'm disgusted and few of the Democrats I know are happy with her. Those that I know in New York who support her are not happy about last night. Oh, and if you'd like to see what popular in one's home state looks like, look at Obama's numbers in Illinois where he won by 22 points.

Posted by: anotherNewYorker | June 4, 2008 1:59 PM

I want to thank my fellow New Yorkers for backing me up on this and I hope we can get a strong Democrat to challenge Hillary Clinton in the Senate primary in 2012. I've heard people talk about drafting Caroline Kennedy and think that would be a great idea. Caroline is a thoughtful person committed to her family's ideals and not enthralled with power. Caroline Kennedy for Senate NY 2012, pass it along!

Obama's the kind of guy that everyone respects but who is dominated by a woman. Clinton would psychologically dominate Obama and Michelle can't have that. Michelle plans to dominate her husband the President. (She claims "it's not rocket science").

Clinton can't be Obama's VP for professional reasons.

Also, as an inexperienced politician Obama doesn't really have a clue what his beautiful rhetoric means in terms of the specifics and implementation details to pull it off, like Bush going in to the Iraq War. Obama wouldn't be able to understand most of what Clinton would try to do, if she tried to do anything, and he'd thus lack insightful control over her. Those who are inexperienced who get power too early have to keep careful control over those around him who they give power to, especially if they're professional rivals whose depth and functional know-how blows away their own.

Clinton can't be Obama's VP for political reasons.

During Obama's Presidency, Pelosi and Reid will be running the country with a Democratically-controlled Congress, while Obama gives the beautiful speeches and the appearance of vision. But the Pelosi and Reid-run country setup won't work with a wonky, interfering and micromanaging VP thrusting herself into the picture endlessly.

Clinton can't be Obama's VP for reasons of framing the narrative of his historic legacy.

You don't have to be a student of Machiavelli to realize that Obama has no plan and no clue how to implement the vague words of his rhetoric of change and good government, and so having Clinton around would undermine him and set him up for being seen as a weak tool of a strong lieutenant, like Bush and Cheney. The "Protean" narrative of his historic legacy would drain away with Clinton doing all the actual work and barely consulting with him and showing him up. To secure his place in history with the narrative he wants, he has to surround himself with sycophants and servants of his central place in the story.

For the above reasons, Clinton can't be Obama's VP. It's not about her flaws, it's about his limitations and the narrow path to functionality that he would have as an inexperienced, under-qualified historic executive with a dominating wife.

So even if they work out the political details, the fundamentals of who Obama is as a politician, his psychological vulnerability to dominating women, and the whole setup that makes his role as an inspiring face man toeing the party line, is unworkable with a Hillary Clinton on the scene. A man like Obama can't have a woman like Clinton as a VP.

You have just witnessed the greatest political campaign fight in American history. One for the textbooks, and the history books. Hillary Clinton fought her heart out against all odds to win for all of the American people . While at the same time doing her best to prepare Sen. Barack Obama to win in November if he was the nominee. STUNNING!!! WELL DONE HILLARY CLINTON. WELL DONE! Your AMAZING! :-)

Sen. Obama could not have had a better opponent than Hillary Clinton. Nor could he have had a better opponent to prepare him for the battle royal to come against John McCain and the Republicans ahead of the November elections. Hillary Clinton was like a big Mama cat determined to teach her kitten how to hunt, and hang with the big dogs for the fights ahead.

And how about Bill Clinton, Chelsea, and th whole Clinton team. They were magnificent. They really showed their metal. BRAVO! TEAM CLINTON... BRAVO!

And how about YOU! my fellow Americans. I'm so proud of you. And proud to be one of you. You showed what you are made of. And what makes America so great. You never gave up on your Champion Hillary Clinton. Time, and time again you eagerly waited your turn to vote for Hillary Clinton. To pick her up and pass her along down the line to the rest of your fellow Americans.

You never gave up on her. Just as Hillary Clinton never gave up on you. No matter how many times they counted her out. No matter how many times they brutally knocked her down. You knew she would get back up. And you were ready to support her when she did. AMERICA LOVES A FIGHTER. AMERICA UNDERSTANDS A FIGHTER. AMERICA IS A FIGHTER. I'M PROUD OF YOU AMERICA!

Hillary said she would accept the VP spot on the ticket if ask. And I am thrilled to hear that. I think it would be crazy not to take her up on that offer. You could not have a better VP than Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is Sen. Obama's best chance of winning the Whitehouse in November. And it is essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse.

The American people are in a very desperate condition now. George Bush has wrecked America, and much of the world.

YOU MADE US VERY PROUD HILLARY CLINTON! :-)

WE LOVE YOU...

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. I really liked Sen. Barack Obama's speech in Minnesota. I think he just maybe ready now for the Bush Republican attack machine, dirty tricks, and vote fraud machine. :-)

I keep hearing that if Clinton is not on the ticket, her supporters will vote for McCain. There's something very wrong with what's going on with the Democratic party this time around. Hillary is not getting the message across to her supporters that electing a Democrat, even if it's not her, is what's most important. She's just as stubborn and selfish as George Bush except she has better pantsuits.

Sounds to me like most of you are all for a "change". I'm with you so far. How about getting rid of the idea that there are only two parties. Check out the Constitution Party and its presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin 2008. Supporters of change do yourselves (and your country) a favor and check out Baldwin and his running mate Darrell Castle.

So Hillary enlisted Bob Johnson to put forth her push for VP? The same Bob Johnson who made the disparaging remarks about Obama a few months ago?
Is she joking or has exhaustion and denial turned her into a complete fool.
Please, no Hillary for VP. She cannot be trusted nor can Bill. It's always drama with the Clinton and it's always about them.

If she had conceded yesterday, and graciously backed Obama as the candidate, But yesterday was insane, she looks like she is forcing him to take her or she is taking her 18 million votes and going home.

If Obama cave he will look weak, just what we need in a candidate. A President has to at least look like the one doing the asking.

Another brilliant post there Brix. I'm not a plant of anything. I am 100% conservative American. Do you really think only Hillbilly and Obmamie supporters post on these forums? Way too full of yourselves you Obamanuts are.

To the (18 million) Billary supporter's NEWS FLASH: The blackman did not keep you barefoot and pregant only to dump you years later for something young and thin.

Vent your misplaced anger towards someone else OBAMA shares some the same policies as Billary so if your voting for policies you have no excuse to switch parties unless you really are racist hiding behind your vote. But be very careful Barack (18) million can easily return the favor and vote against any of your candidate on a local, state and national level. End result the male figures you are upset iwth stay in power and you get to stay home barefoot and pregant.

I agree with you that Richardson would be an excellent choice. As I see it, it's between Gen. Clark, Gov. Richardson, and Sen. Clinton. I favor Clark, personally.

As for the Latino support of Clinton...the only theory I've heard put forward that explains it is a sort of racial animosity between Latinos and blacks making them more likely to reject Obama. Not sure if there's any credence to that.

Er, "Blackisin", no one's taking down your daggum comments. You posted the same one *three* times and, I guess, just can't keep track of it even so. (Try Ctrl-F and then one of the unique words-phrases in the comment, e.g., "Billary supporter's" [sic]. Dummy.)

Dan your column/article smells. The Post is giving you too much latitude. Your are using hearsay and rumors as substitutes for near facts and hopeful opinion. Ouch! You portray Johnson as a 'king maker'. It is Obama who decides. The deep financial legalites of W. J. Clinton must be resolved long before anything can be considered. You could be mis-leading your readers. I am an avid Post follower.

I think it's important for all democrats, no matter who you supported for the primary election, to just take a deep breath and chill. Hateful words really do more harm than good - it would serve us well to heed the grammar school lessons we grew up with!

I am an Obama supporter but I also voted for Bill Clinton in the past. I have been hurt by actions and words from Hillary in this primary battle, but I still see how valuable she is and I still appreciate all the work she has done.

I doubt Obama would choose her as his running mate because you really need to trust the person who is to be your VP and she chose to conduct herself in a way that would inevitably lead to a loss of trust from Obama. I truly wish she chose different tactics during this primary because she had an opportunity to keep this campaign peaceful and instead, I think she has contributed to the reason there is so much hate and decisiveness among voters, evident in many of these comments.

We now have to rise above all this because we need to change this country for the better and it starts with a democrat in the white house. Actually, it really starts with BUSH out of the white house, and since McCain is falling in step with his policies, he can not be allowed to lead this country to further ruin.

Also, be respectful of Obama's choice. He is allowed to choose his running-mate and I am certain his wisdom and pragmatism will aid him in selecting the best VP for this country. If it's not Hillary, KNOW that she has a place in his administration. She is a bull-dog and she is needed. She would be an EXCELLENT senate majority leader and I am certain Obama will want her to take the leading stance in ensuring we have universal healthcare in this country.

Mark my words, they will work together no matter if she is the VP or not. Let's all take a collective deep breath....now, doesn't that feel better? ;)

I would not trust Hillary with my pet. For all we know she'd have Obama Assasinated just to become President. Look at all the people who died under the Clinton Administration. Be afraid very afraid.....And the 18 millions who support her and threaten to vote for Mc Cain proves that she is an undercover Republican. If she really was a Democrat she would encourage her supporter to stay united instead of promoting divide........

You are so right... Obama and his team are NEVER going to choose her for the VP slot. I know that Obama said that he wasn't going to make his choice/announce who was his choice for VP, but I hope that he announces that Hillary WILL NEVER EVER be his VP. Burst her bubble just as she's filling it up.

If Obama were foolish enough to make her his VP, he would be in grave danger. There are multiple suspicious deaths that occurred during Clinton's presidency that implicated both Bill and Hillary. But the whole thing was covered up and justice was never served.

Here's why Obama will never pick Clinton for his VP,
HE DOESN'T NEED HER!!!

'He doesn't need her to win New York,
New Jersey
or California,
all of which he will win by a landslide without her in November.

He doesn't need her for Illinois (her home state, whatever efforts she made to try to pretend she was a rural Pennsylvanian during that state's primary).

She certainly doesn't help him in the south, with the possible exception of Florida.

She doesn't bring any "balance" to the ticket, given that both senators have almost identical voting records on domestic issues.

And as for the swing states -- Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado, New Mexico, Missouri, Ohio, Indiana, etc. -- she may do more damage than good, given the number of independents and Republicans who have been drawn to Obama, but who have negative feelings about the Clintons.

Moreover, with the right vice-presidential candidate -- and it's not Clinton -- Obama may even have a shot at not just Virginia, but also North Carolina and even Mississippi -- states where the percentage of black voters is high enough that, with an energized black voter turnout, the liberal Democratic vote could be enough to turn the trick.'

"The world is tired of European Americans. Blacks, Chinese, Mexicans are all tired. The lies, the stealing, the false promises. Corruption! We are all tired. "

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Yep, that's why the Dims are going to lose massive amounts of these groups as polls show more Asians, Hispanics, and Jews will support McCain if Obama gets the nod over Hillary. Now that this has happened, these "enlightened" minorities will be another factor in in the 46 state landslide that is President McCain. Can't you stinking Dims do anything right? Geez, how could you have blown this?

The Clintons would unify and invigorate the Republicans as nothing else would. John McCain's campaign must be on their knees praying for her to be VP.

Obama does not like ego-obsessed subordinates filled with melodrama and bad temper. He likes work horses, not show horses. That is not the Clintons.

The reason I keep saying the Clintons, not Hillary Clinton, is that you get them both if you pick her. No sane American voter would vote for that. What an obvious fiasco in the making. The White House is not the place for this kind of nonsense. We need a government that works smoothly and get things done. It won't happen in that scenario.

President Clinton's dealings with billionaire donors, often under veil of secrecy, would make Geraldine Ferraro's problems with her spouse's finances in the Mondale campaign fade to insignificance. The complexity and disturbing character of his fundraising is fine for the husband of a sitting senator but should not go anywhere near the White House. It disqualifies him (and thus her) on that ground alone, regardless of any personalities or political calculations.

Finally, by "jamming" Obama at this moment of historical importance and vital party unity, Hillary Clinton has made it impossible for him to magnanimously offer her the position of VP. It would make him look like an appeaser. As we all now know, that's someone who give a bully what they want instead of standing up to them.

Forget it, drop it, have her concede and campaign her heart out and maybe the last month or two could BEGIN to be forgiven in terms of the Clinton legacy. But only if he wins.

If there is a phrase stronger that HEDoublbeHockeyStix, feel free to insert that here. Hillary Clinton is determined to have things her way. She can hide behind the "what's best for her constituents" refrain all she wants. This is about her and her family and her legacy - not about this country. As a Black Man, I find it absolutely insulting that McCain and Hillary denied the monumental accomplishment that took place last evening. For that matter, I am appauled that none of the local stations dedicated full coverage to the moement - opting to show repeats of tv shows. From my vantage point, there are many in todays society that I mearly enamered with B. Obama much like the global collective were about Michael Jordon during his hey day with the Chicago Bulls. If Obama becomes President, turns the economy around, brings the troops home - America will vote Hillary or some other person of non-color into office. Therefore, having Hillary as a running mate only gives her the insight she needs on the Obama presidency to cast any type of doubt on his as President. Please understand, she would not run as VP in 2012 - She would run against him. I am so sick of Hillary Clinton and her sex addict husband - BUBBA

McCain's wife has disclosed her finanacial records...and she isnt' even running and its her SEPARATE property.

Hilliary has yet to disclose her tax records. Or the records on donations to the Library.

Or so many other things.

Yes. I think that very quickly Hilliary would be withdrawing her plea to bcome VP (which I suspect ala: Vince Foster...woudl result in her presidency....but she would withdraw the offer immediately.

She should never have 1. refused to concede 2. refused/failed to congratulate Obama last night 3. demaned to be his vp 4. used Tuesday night in NY to whip u her rabid fans and make yet another plea for money.

We have a nominee..but we still have Hilliary campaigning..and I still think she plans to take her fight to the floor of convention and try to take the nomination back from there. Unless she gets what she wants..VP..

I don't hate any candidate. But I felt Obama was a fresh breath of air in a nasty game. If he takes Hilliary it sours the whole election for me.

I simply cannot vote for another Clinton. And again I do not hate her..she just brings back memories of a bad time in the White House ...Billiarys are nasty little people. I wanted to see decency and honor in white house.

Speaking of "hope":
1. At some point I hope people begin looking at what all of these candidates voted on while Senators...not just what they say
2. I hope people analyze who all of these candidates "bed fellows" are because whether we like it or not, who we associate with is a reflection of who we are
3. Lastly, I hope that people begin to repudiate those who want to characterize us Americans are haters of diversity. This country has been a "diversity laboratory" where each group has melted into an great "American face". When are we going to stand up for this greatness and tell the naysayers to back off.

I hope Obama doesn't cave in and give in to the pressure of taking Hillary as his VP. That could be a big mistake because I honestly can't see Hillary playing 2nd fiddle to anyone, including Obama. She'll eventually just take over the White House and it will seem like Obama is the VP and Hillary is President.

She will make his presidency a nightmare. Plus he'll really have 2 VP's cause don't think Bill is gonna hang around in the shadows if his wife gets to be VP.

Becoming VP may just be a sneaky way for Hillary to get to be president and maybe steer her political path so she looks promising for the 2012 presidential campaigning.

After all the nasty talk about Obama, she now wants to consider being VP? WHY? So she can push her own agenda, that's why.

An Obama-Hillary ticket would be powerful, even though many Hillary supporters have announced that they will never vote for Obama, even if it means tossing the presidency to McCain. Don't they want Obama and Clinton's policies enacted, rather than letting the reactionary Republicans pack more activist judges on the Supreme Court and lesser courts, veto more progressive legislation that is badly needed to get this country back on track, and lead us into more phenomenally stupid, poorly-planned wars for oil? I would have loved to see a woman president, too, but I'm not going to hate the Democratic candidate because she didn't win. And she didn't. She can only claim the majority of the popular vote if you give her all of Florida and Michigan, when he wasn't even on the ballot in MI, and don't count the caucus states, which don't have vote totals. She did extremely well, though, and that, more than anything, is why I think she would be an asset on the ticket. It's just not true that being a Hillary supporter makes you racist or that being an Obama supporter makes you sexist. They're both great candidates and we had to choose one or the other. We should be proud that we are mature enough to have selected a woman and a black man as our top two candidates based on their merits, experience and positions, rather than excluding them because they happened to be female and non-white. Democrats ripping each other apart will just empower the Republican politicians, who typically march in lock-step, heedless of the destructive consequences or un-Christian cruelty of their policies. Let's (Democratic) party our way to the White House together!

"Obama===> ethical dim?? LOL, you've got to be kidding. As Rosie O'Donnell said, 'Delusssssssssssssssssional'. You Obamanuts have fooled yourselves into believing your own hype. Just because he has no real legislative record doesn't mean he doesn't have a record. This guy is dir-tee! Bank on that."
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If you want to hide the fact that you're a Repug plant, you might try not using the diminutive "dim" when you're refering to Democrats. Just a thought.

To: All of you who have negative comments about Hillary. And those of you who have hopes of Obama being President.

...The more you dog, demean, kick and spit on Hillary with your numerous negative comments, the more you outrage Hillary's supporters and turn them against Obama. And in case you didn't notice - they both got around 18 million votes. You need the Hillary supporters.

Is it really necessary to have such outrage against Hillary? You will pay for your arrogance and comments and I am willing to bet, you will find Obama in the same position in November.

Oh, and one other thing: Those of you who are suggesting Hillary for Supreme Court need to get a clue. Hillary has zero judicial experience, and there are hundreds of judges out there better qualified. They're just not high-profile politicians, and therefore you haven't heard of them in the media. Get off that tack, please.

You can do whatever you want with your vote that is if you don't care about the next judges to be appointed.
McCain could not touch the law during his admin. but his future appointees will.

If you don't have healhcare: good luck with McCain! There is always 2012 when Hillary tries to run again. Right! Like if the democrats ever allowed a looser to run twice!

Hillary cannot do the right thing for this country because she's clouded by political ambition. May be her supporters are clouded too?

If HRC cannot get the VP spot will go to regroup to her 4 million dollar mansion and live from her 106 million dollar income while all of you...well... you know your own situation.
The "candidate of the working people"...she's so like you....

Hillary is not trustworthy. She said several time she was in the race until someone had the magic number. Well someone has, Obama. Why want she concede? I am really disappointed in her. She did congratulate him on running a fine compaign but she did not and has not acknowledge him for his accomplishment. He is and should be recognized by her as the Democratic Presumptive nominee for the President of the United States of America. The sooner she accepts reality the better it will be for her.

I'd really like to second what NewYorker said, and I'm also from New York. I've never felt well represented by here, though I voted for her. I was already shaky on voting for her again for Senate after this primary, where she said a Republican was more qualified than the Democratic front-runner, and where she practically hoped aloud for him to be assasinated. Last night, with her speech that basically spat all over Obama and all of his supporters she has lost my vote. Who cares if he won, she seemed to be saying, I'm better so the elections don't matter. I'm personally offended. I'm liberal, and would have voted for either Democrat for President because I care about issues not gender, race, or for that matter hair color (which is just as meaningless in this context), but if there is another Democrat running in New York or if there is a Republican I can deal with, which New York occasionally produces, I'll be happy to vote against her, otherwise I'll stay home. She is pro-war, pro-censorship (all of the bills she's had much to do with have involved these two issues, which I'm on the other side of from her), and is, like her husband, closer to being a conservative than a liberal on many if not most issues I care about. She voted for the the removal of habeus corpus which I will never forgive her for. But she is better than McCain so I'd have voted for her, lacking a viable alternative. But last night she really did a great disservice to the Democratic party, and truly to this nation. It was a historic moment for this country, and she didn't give damn about that since it wasn't her moment. I'm disgusted and few of the Democrats I know are happy with her. Those that I know in New York who support her are not happy about last night. Oh, and if you'd like to see what popular in one's home state looks like, look at Obama's numbers in Illinois where he won by 22 points.

Don't pick her, Barrack. She'll constantly be trying out the oval office chair, and Bill will come poking around offering to help with this or that. You need a winner who will understand that he or she is the VICE president.

If Obama's is as concerned with courting the Hispanic vote, as I feel he should be, he should choose former competitor Bill Richardson of New Mexico. Can someone explain to me what is the basis of Latino's strong connection to Hillary. I can't really recall too many policy's under Bill that benefited them, and unless she's done a lot for her Latino constituents in NY it baffles me to why she receives such strong support. I don't feel Obama should be coerced or persuaded into choosing Hillary (just because she may present some sort of legal challenge if she's not given some chance of getting another key to the White House front door). From what I've read Bill Richardson presents strong National Security credentials and I feel he would make a good choice as a running mate for Obama in '08.

Let him coose of course, keeping in mind that Hilary's demographic may add votes , the point being to WIn in November. Overlap of his and her demographic may of course exist but if Hilary can unify the party and block dissertion to no show / McCain ,OK.
She could do that i think.If she chooses.
Unless the GOP intends to lose, beware dirty tricks ala Swift boating, That 's the modus operandi of the republiicans , as seen since MR. Nixon's days.

This isn't Hillary "trying to help the party" as her hacks disingenuously proclaim, this is her trying to muscler her way into a co-Presidency. She won't settle for just presiding of the Senate and attending funerals, she will expect to handed major policy errors. This would ba a disaster.

Forcing Obama to "offer" her the Vice-Presidency is tantamount to letting her dictate the terms of his surrender.

Bob Johnson once again shows what kind of a weazel his, along with Lanny Davis and the rest of the Clinton minions. The fact is that Barack Obama is the nominee and the nominee if free to choose a running mate that he can trust. As we all know trustworthy is not a word that you can use for the Clintons. This effort to try and strong arm Obama to have her on this ticket is sickening and not what the Democratic party stands for. These Clinton people are not true Democrats-all they care about is winning and not the party. Hillary Clinton should not be on this ticker under ANY circumstances

You wonder if these supporters or surrogates of Senator Clinton are wishful thinking out loud. Bob Johnson is now a confidant of the Clinton campaign? What have you. I agree with others on this blog, Senator Obama should not be pressured into selecting any one. After her defiant, I am not done, maybe I will take this to Denver speech last night, I would not select her to be my VP. This is a prelude of how she would be as VP, always wanting to share or STEAL the limelight, not that our elected officials should be running for the glory of the position but you get my drift.

Why hasn't Hillary herself made this statement? It would go a long way to have her royal highness actually make a concession statement and throw her hat in with Obama.

I think that an Obama-Clinton ticket would be the worse move for Obama. She already demonstrated that she feels the headliner is hers and that she doesn't count Obama as equal to her and McCain. Add to the mix the shenanigans of "Bubba."

That being said, the Clinton's have all but rendered it suicidal for Obama to choose other than her for a running mate.

Bob Johnson advice is not needed at this time. He tried to destroy Obama in the beginning and now he still playing his little flute for the Clintons. Mr. Johnson please chill before your dirty deeds start to come out.

Sen Clinton is in the unique position of becoming the hero of this election. By now everybody knows that Obama needs her vigorous support to win in Nov. Change that only Barack Obama AND Hillary Clinton CAN deliver.

Posted by: JR | June 4, 2008 1:50 PM

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

Something to ponder:
In her own sick way, maybe Hillary did attempt to unify the party last night. Seeing as us Americans love nothing more than to have someone to hate, she surely provided that last night. Had she come out and endorsed Obama, then I don't think many of her supporters would have jumped ship...seeing as the boards today only have a handful of Hillary zealots posting their typical trash today, I assume that most of her reasonable supporters (probably 17.5 million of them) were turned off by her actions.

Even the foreign press has picked up the fact that if Obama picked Hillary as VP-Bill would be the major distraction and the republicans know it! From his womanizing stories since his departure from the white house to his $400,000 for a 20 min speech, to "who" actually funded his Library?. This does not account for how they would portray Hillary with her own baggage like "lost papers" from the whitewater scandal that recently re-appeared. If Obama wants real change-get an Outsider for VP and make real change!
Hillary can be Sec of HHS or health czar etc...
Go McCain! the democrats have a knack of self-imploding at this level anyway

get over what happened during the primaries, people. all events were just means to the following end...to have a reasonably minded, humanitarian, economically insightful and responsible democrat as president. barack and hillary will do what they believe is right for this country....they each have their strengths and each represent various segments of our population...the popular votes don't lie. so, barack won the primary through delegates (not popular vote)...this is how our country is set up so he deserves to be president. hillary obviously appeals to many (she won the popular vote, after all). together or not, they will both change the world for the better.

stop criticizing their personalities. don't focus on the superficial squabbles and errors of the campaign. it's time to move forward and educate our population to become world leaders in all industries possible. think globally and toward the future.

americans, let's not let the republicans fool us into thinking that they have the answers. theirs is a winner takes all mentality that takes advantage of the working class and tax law to help them suck the economic life out of america and give nothing in return (no health care, no education, no community support).

Senator Clinton should not play second fiddle to Obama. Her considerable talent and superior intellect is much more valuable in the Senate. Let Obama choose whomever he wants and in 2012 Senator Clinton will become President Clinton.

Sometimes the best defense is to dilute a witness's credibility. Bob Johnson is promoting Hillary for VP ?. Exactly the same old Clinton's cronies who did not care a bit about young impressionable black minds by making billions of dollars selling trash to the black community through BET, music and nonsense shows denigrating women and young girls, so much for a role model. You had your cut let us deal with the real problems facing our communities.

To the (18 million) Billary supporter's NEWS FLASH: The blackman did not keep you barefoot and pregant only to dump you years later for something young and thin.

Vent your misplaced anger towards someone else OBAMA shares some the same policies as Billary so if your voting for policies you have no excuse to switch parties unless you really are racist hiding behind your vote. But be very careful Barack (18) million can easily return the favor and vote against any of your candidate on a local, state and national level. End result the male figures you are upset iwth stay in power and you get to stay home barefoot and pregant.

terrifiedin has a good point. The VP becomes President in the event of the Presiden't death. If Clinton were to become the VP, Obama's life may be at risk. I have little doubt that Clinton wouldn't do it if she was sure that she could get away with it.

really the only thing that would keep me from voting for Obama after he gets the nod is if he picks Clinton for VP. Clinton is part of the old guard of DC and Obama at least was running on the idea that a new breed of politics and politicians is needed around here. I don't see how HRC fits even remotely within that plan...

To the (18 million) Billary supporter's NEWS FLASH: The blackman did not keep you barefoot and pregant only to dump you years later for something young and thin.

Vent your misplaced anger towards someone else OBAMA shares some the same policies as Billary so if your voting for policies you have no excuse to switch parties unless you really are racist hiding behind your vote. But be very careful Barack (18) million can easily return the favor and vote against any of your candidate on a local, state and national level. End result the male figures you are upset iwth stay in power and you get to stay home barefoot and pregant.

Sen. Clinton is a gifted leader whose values align well with Sen. Obama's. She would work tirelessly as Vice President to bring her experience and insight to bear on the urgent problems that would be paramount in Pres. Obama's agenda, including health care, energy policy and the environment.

It has been an ugly race, and there is much to forgive. Time to put that behind us and refocus on reforming our broken government.

What a disaster an Obama-Clinton ticket would be: last night alone indicates her need to have the spotlight on her. How can Obama be an effective leader if she's stepping all over his policy plans? And having Bill traipsing around the White House again is in itself a less than palatable thought.

If she is serious about "doing what's right" for the party and the country, then she can certainly work hard to sway her most ardent supporters to his side without having to be his running mate. Otherwise, it's just more of her sense of entitlement and naked personal ambition.

I am very much AGAINST the sentiment that Senator Clinton be on the Democratic ticket as Vice President. There are many reasons:
1) It undercuts the message of change in Washington. Hillary is part of the establishment and part of the problem.

2) The Obama campaign can win the hispanic vote WITHOUT senator Clinton. Bill Richardson is a better advocate to help win the hispanic vote than Clinton.

3)Senator Clinton showed poor managerial talent in the process of her campaign. Her campaign was wracked with internal turmoil and poor money management.

4) Senator Clinton feels entitled to a position of power. She ran a poor campaign because she assumed she was the inevitable winner. What kind of leader does that? She brazenly spent contributor's money on unneccessaries and lavished herself rather than run a positive and thorough campaign. Her campaign style is evident of her personal view of her role in politics. We have no room for Royalty in washington.

5) Including Senator Clinton on the ticket shows weakness and a willingness to cave to the establishment. If you can't stand up to the powers that be now how can you in the Whitehouse? Including Clinton on the ticket looks like capitulation. SHE DOESN'T DESERVE to be rewarded for running such a shameless campaign.

6) Having the Clinton machine (Bill Included) present in the Whitehouse would undercut and cause difficulties for your presidency (big egos don't play well in little spaces). Senator Clinton and former President Clinton would likely take advantage of every opportunity to upstage you as possible (probably even create some).

7) Clinton may try to have him assassinated (or at the very least scandalized out of office). What would be better than being vice president? How about 12 years as president (serving out the remainder of Obama's term, plus an additional 2 terms of her own)? I don't trust her and neither should you.

8) He does not need Senator Clinton to win the "big" states. As we all know Democrats turned out in numbers dwarfing the Republican support during this campaign season. Senator Obama WILL win the Democratic strongholds. Senator Clinton is far from welcome in NY, don't make the assumption that she's a necessity to carry any specific constituency.

9) No one person will mobilize the conservative right-wing more than Hillary Clinton. As it stands Bob Barr will put Georgia in play, Ron Paul's supporters may cause him to be the Ralph Nader of 2008. The electoral map will be far different with Obama vs. McCain. Include Clinton and it will be the same political map as always. The Republicans who support Obama won't likely support an Obama-Clinton ticket.

10) Her behavior is indicative of her narcissism. No matter what she says this election has never been about the American people. It's been about her. Even now she refuses to concede the nomination. She doesn't outwardly congratulate Senator Obama on this historic victory. She's stubborn, conceited and petulant. She's just like George W. Bush. Hillary Clinton DOES NOT belong on the democratic ticket

I believe that there are better Vice Presidential candidates available for Senator Obama to choose from. I feel that Senator Joe Biden and Governor Bill Richardson make much better Vice Presidential choices. Each of these two men ran much more positive campaigns and exhibit much more integrity than Senator Clinton.

The Democratic "Dream-ticket" is exactly that. A dream; but more like a NIGHTMARE than anything. Please continue the message of Change, Hope, Integrity, Vision, Judgment and Leadership that your campaign has so valiantly advocated.

Sen Clinton is in the unique position of becoming the hero of this election. By now everybody knows that Obama needs her vigorous support to win in Nov. She has the opportunity to play king-maker and should she choose to do the right thing, all will be forgiven and she will come out of this election perhaps a more celebrated figure than when she started.

Our country, the world needs the kind of change that only Barack Obama AND Hillary Clinton CAN deliver.

Hmm, ethical Democrat or crazy dead-ender? It's just so hard to tell. :p

Posted by: | June 4, 2008 1:46 PM
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Obama===> ethical dim?? LOL, you've got to be kidding. As Rosie O'Donnell said, "Delusssssssssssssssssional". You Obamanuts have fooled yourselves into believing your own hype. Just because he has no real legislative record doesn't mean he doesn't have a record. This guy is dir-tee! Bank on that.

From what I have seen of Obama and his team so far, he will artfully make his own choice of VP, as is his right. I don't see him as someone who will allow extortion to influence such an important decision.

(And yes, for her to refuse to concede and then use the votes given her to try to force Obama's hand in selecting a VP, is definitely extortion)

After listening to her speech last night, I was somewhat dismayed. She lost fair and square, it is DELEGATE count not votes. To equate the primaries to the general, is like apples to oranges. With the right vice president, (not her) he will have no problem. To me the Clintons are becoming inconsequential like a lot of politicians are becoming. the paradigm is shifting to the younger crowd who think out side the box, from both parties. Obama seems to have figured this out,as some other politicians. The Clintons are ruining their "legacy". She sees the power that Cheney has brought to the vice president job, and I believe she wants to be a "Co" President. Obama doesn't need her, or "her" voters. You never hear Obama say "my" voters or "me",but that is all you hear from the Billary. I don't want Bill anywhere near the White House for 4 or 8 more years. We don't need an old f a r t in the office either, and I am one. We need a real change and I want to give Obama a chance. I feel the "O" doesn't need her voters, cause if they feel that way who needs em anyway. If Obama goes down, it won't be without a fight. I would rather lose than have her in the WhiteHouse.

One should consider Mr. and Mrs. Clintons' sense of entitlement and understand that this is not about the nation but about them. There are far superior men and women to choose as VP. Both need to fade away, far away.

Uneducated voters form the core of Hillary's support. You can see how they ignore the fact that HRC repeatedly vowed to "throw the kitchen sink", and instead pretend that Obama was the one focused on negative campaigning. Hillary Clinton, despite all the ego stroking by various parties, has never authored a significant piece of legislature that was passed. She has accomplished nothing in her alleged "35 years of experience", and has to resort to taking credit for the works of others. Anyone who bothers to research the issues would know this. Of course, her followers don't... Ask her followers this: When is she going to finally pay off all the small businesses that she owes money to? How does a self-proclaimed champion of the working class reconcile something like that?

Can't Barack Obama have just one day when he's the headline? That's amazing. On the historic day that he captures the nomination, the WaPo thinks the machinations of Hillary and her supporters (Johnson in particular) is a bigger event. I say give her Michigan's 4 electoral votes and lets move on.

If her name recogniton and organization were so great, why didn't she bury Barack? You know what they say happens when you assume - it makes an ASS out of U and ME. And HEE HAW is the only sound I hear coming out of the Clinton campaign now.

It is Obamas choice to choose a VP, but 18,000,000 voters may just decide to write in Hillary Clinton on the November ballot. Think about that Mr. Obama. 18 million people. Even if you do think they are old white senile and uneducated, they make quite a statement together.

To the (18 million) Billary supporter's NEWS FLASH: The blackman did not keep you barefoot and pregant only to dump you years later for something young and thin.

Vent your misplaced anger towards someone else OBAMA shares some the same policies as Billary so if your voting for policies you have no excuse to switch parties unless you really are racist hiding behind your vote. But be very careful Barack (18) million can easily return the favor and vote against any of your candidate on a local, state and national level. End result the male figures you are upset iwth stay in power and you get to stay home barefoot and pregant.

Let Obama choose of course , but hope he weighs the possiblity a unified party could gel , with Hilary's perceived demographics joining his.
Yes some Obama's demographics cross over , but maybe some Hilary's do cross likewise.
Just saying do it for the Win in November. Unless the GOP intend to lose, expect dirty tricks as that is modus operandi @ Mc Cain ville.
Remmember the Swift boat tactic?

Obama should not be bullied into choosing his running mate. It wasn't so long ago that Hillary was offering HIM the VP slot. She needs to stop further damaging the Democratic Party by prolonging the inevitable and wasting everyone's time (and her own money). I used to like her but she's turned out to be some piece of work.

I believe that Obama-Clinton would be a great thing for our country. So the Clintons have a past (Who doesn't) We need strong leadership in this country, and I believe these two can be just that. this great country of ours is very rapidly going to hell. If we put another republican in office LOOK OUT!! Lets all team up and get on the same page and put these two together in the White house.

From what I have seen of Obama and his team so far, he will artfully make his own choice of VP, as is his right. I don't see him as someone who will allow extortion to influence such an important decision.

(And yes, for her to refuse to concede and then use the votes given her to try to force Obama's hand in selecting a VP, is definitely extortion)

At the point where she said: "I will not make a decision tonight..." She should have instead said:

18 million of you have stood by me with your vote in these primaries.
18 million of you have provided the encouragement to fight for all the right things.
18 million of you want what is best for America.
We need a DEMOCRAT in the WHITEHOUSE in November.
I will do all that I can to continue OUR work.
I will do all that I can to get OUR DEMOCRAT elected.
JOIN ME.
18 MILLION STRONG WE UNIFY--WE WILL ALL VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA, The Next President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

And help the cause of many Americans. This country is divided down the middle. What the hell makes you think that your side has the huge mandate and everything has changed in 4 years. Bush's decline in support is because conservatives are leaving, not because you lefty idiots are picking up anything. The only Dim gains recently are by running "conservative" candidates that can compete. By picking Obama, you've sealed your own fates.

"Oh Brix, you're sooooooo smart. Too bad exit polls for months have shown that 30% of those who said they voted for Clinton would not support Obama and pretty much vice versa. There is no way that millions of 'repugs' would go out and vote for either of these candidates and then fake out the pollsters. You're in trouble. Obamie can't win no matter how much money Soros puts into this. Too bad too. Because a Dim president with a Dim congress will secure another 30 years of conservative rule after another one-termer like Carter."
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Hmm, ethical Democrat or crazy dead-ender? It's just so hard to tell. :p

Hillary Clinton is obviously living in cloud-cuckoo land if she really thinks Obama is going to pick her has his Vice President. If she and Bill get back into the White House, they will be trying to run things from day one. There is now way that they would take orders from Barack Obama and it would be an intolerable and chaotic situation. Get over it, girl, you lost fair and square. Now get off the stage.

Let us (and her) not lose sight of the fact that MANY of those "record setting" voters that HiLIARy is trying to lay claim to were Republican crossovers attempting to create "chaos" in the Democratic primary.

So at the same time that Clinton refuses to even acknowledge that Obama won the nomination she is saying, "and I'll take that VP spot." She's got some nerve. Then her supporters try to act like last night was her night? WTF?

I'm not an anti-Hillary voter. At least I didn't used to be before she took the low road in encouraging her voters that this process has been somehow unfair. It hasn't. I simply prefer Obama and think he will be a much better president and much better candidate against McCain. Clinton's argument that she's more electable is not born out by the facts: She started as the inevitable candidate with the strongest brand name in politics, establishment support and loads of money, and now she's got a $30 million debt because she couldn't beat the guy nobody heard of a few years ago. This was her nomination to lose and she lost it. There is no one else to blame. Obama just had a much better strategy and her team was so overconfident that they never saw him coming.

But this business is ridiculous. Terry McAuliffe actually introduced her last night as the "next president of the United States."

Also, she keeps talking about these 18 million voters as if they're a block of people she controls. I know several Clinton supporters who have already said they'll vote for Obama in November. I'm sure some won't but the risk is well worth it considering the compromises (in his message and administration) he'll have to make to have her as VP.

Do you want to always have to look over your shoulder to see what Hillary will be doing to undermind you. She will make your presidency a living hell. America knows the trouble that she will cause you and over the last 15 months you have had a front row seat. You don't need Hillary.. don't let her back you into a corner. Winning the presidency with her on the ticket is not what your supporters want to see.

To those who say she has similar policies and therefore be on the ticket:

The VP, present vp not withstanding, has absolutely no role in shaping policy. she is only wanting to be VP because she is power hungry. She already made a comment that you never know "something may happen". Frankly, i'm afraid to have her that close to being in line for the presidency.

"Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you? Obama's camp has been the worse in history for calling names and being loud and obnoxious. Go ahead. Drive the Clinton supporters away. My husband is still undecided but even he is getting disgusted with you and told me the other day we should be looking at McCain to possibly see if we wanted to vote for him. Congratulations for winning the nomination and losing the General. Great job with all your hateful spit. You will go far but gain nothing."~1paperclip
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Firstly, if this is addressed to me (which I guess it is, given the fact that you, well, quoted me, I thought I made it evident that I wasn't in Obama's camp. Secondly, did YOU listen to his speech last night? He claimed victory, as was his due, then he proceeded to praised Clinton as a campaigner and as a dedicated person trying to help the country. There was nothing hateful about that speech at all. You are, in my opinion, so biased as to be deluded.

"Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you?"

This is precisely why Hillary won't be Obama's VP...it is impossible to have a civil, intelligent conversation with either her or her zealots. Either YOU didn't watch his speech last night, or are so impossibly blinded by your affinity for Hillary that you missed the 5 minutes that Obama kissed her ass.

I'm a Republican (but don't get me wrong; I tend to vote Republican, not a partisan fanboy). So I'm kind of a neutral observer in all of this.

Throughout the Democratic primaries, Obama has acted with the grace and civility becoming of a statesman. Clinton, on the other hand, has been divisive and petty.

I'm a Republican by being raised in a strongly Republican home. I can tell you that Republicans have certain values and that, for a Democratic nominee to win a vote from one, he would have to have certain qualities (most of them concerning having a respectable character).

In a general election, Hillary's escipades would be widely advertised. Anyone with concern for character- be they Republican or otherwise- would see her as a monster to be slain.

Obama on the other hand, while clearly not a Republican, doesn't fall short in the civility expected by Republicans. I feel that Obama's statesmanship will serve his campaign in the general election.

Can someone please tell me what makes Bob Johnson believe his voice is relevatnt to this discussion? He needs to go somewhere and sit his egomaniacal, narcissitic, self-hating behind down. Yes, self-hating is the phrase I used, because only a person who hates themselves and what they are would work so hard to tear down a African-American male with a more-than-legitimate shot at the Presidency of the United States. First he's (Barack's) a drug addict. Then there was no way possible that he could win the nomination. Then, there was no way possible he could beat McCain. Well, he's already overcome the first two obstacles and, if you ask me, he's going to blow McCain away in November with a LANDSLIDE victory. What's Stepin Fetchit Uncle Tom Bob gonna say then?

A lot of people don't believe a guy who is supposedly worth a billion dollars could be darn near incompetent. Well, it's obvious he is not smart or strategic about the content or the timing of his comments. And with that much money, wouldn't/shouldn't you have people around you advising you on those issues? Unless, however, you think you know it all. I guess I should have added "omnipotent" to my description above.

I agree you dont want hillary as vice president. she would show obama up big time. anyhow I hope mccain gets in as president. if hillary cant sit in the whitehouse you need someone responsible and that is NOT obama.

Hey, I'm opening to being queen of the world, but the reality is, it'll never happen and HILARY LOST. Plain and simple.

Like every other candidate who got beat in this primary, she should graciously bow out, give Obama the credit where credit's due, and go home or back to the Senate...and wait for the phone to ring. OR NOT.

Although Hillary Clinton turned me off during her campaign, I think she is the right pick as the running mate. There are not big differences between the policies Obama and Clinton offered. It will be much better when they work together, not against each other. Obama/Clinton ticket would be unbeatable.

Hillary Clinton will make a great Vice President. I predict Obama For President for the next two terms and Hillary for the next two. Sixteen years of the right leadership may be enough to begin to clean up the mess the current administration has managed to do to our country

I intend to vote for Obama. But if Clinton's name is on the ballot as his VP, I will be voting for McCain. Eight years of the Clintons were more than enough. "Change we can believe in" does not include Hillary a heartbeat away, while Bill pursues new cigar holders.

I've always voted Democrat and will again this year. HRC supporters are saying they would not vote for Obama, but more people are going to say they would not vote for Obama if he picks her.

The Clintons would be the worst sort of cancer within his administration and he would have to spend half his time trying to get them to shut up.

They have had their day and it is over. This is the biggest political upset in our lifetimes. I still blame Bill for eight years of Bush and I do not want to have to blame Hillary for eight years of McCain. But if that comes to pass, then their legacy will be sixteen years of do-nothing government that changes this country for the rest of the century.

Hillary, go home and see if you want to be a loyal Democrat. If not, then just go away.

Delusional Hillary is still playing games, she needs to understand she is the loser and her and her cronies get nothing. That sorry lot of democrats have done nothing in the last seven years but vote for the war and get rich off of lobbyists. She does not measure up to the high moral standards of the Obama ticket.

SAD FACT IS....the only viable candidate for Vice President will be a White woman, no White Male is going to run under an African-American Nominee...that's the sad shallow fact as it relates to the class- structure in this pre-historic stage of race, class and gender that our young beloved country is in. I would be surprised and somewhat skeptical to see a white male run under Obama, I could be wrong to say that...but the conditions of our socio-political atmosphere creates my response. Maybe this could be a real CHANGE to have a white male running under the VICE PRESIDENT ticket, but right now all roads lead to Hillary....not Edwards or Biden. Typical!

Funny how she wants to do what's best for the 'Party', when she has dragged this battle on far too long, continuing to take swipes at Obama long after the race was mathematically out of her reach. Last night, she had the chance to do what was best for the Party again by rallying - incontrovertibly - behind Obama as Party Leader. She opted not to..Now she wants to pretend that she is willing to do what is best for the party by holding her support for Obama ransom for the VP position? This is your first major decision as the Democratic candidate Obama, and will define your candidacy just as gives voters a sense of who you really are. Pandering to Clinton's bullying would be just the sort of fear-induced, politics-as-usual, establishment pandering you have so eloquently defined yourself against.

Senator Clinton has won the State of Delusion. I have never voted republican but will not vote democrat if her name is on the ballot. Obama can win on his own. Look at how well he did in the primaries. He won. She did not and continues to use faulty math making claims that she is the chosen one. Go away Billary.

Ain't going to happen. What is up for grabs is at most 25% of HRC's supporters and they wouldn't vote for BHO anyway.
The Clintons are toxic. I voted and supported Bill and he was a good president.
Lately though he is pretty wacky. BHO doesn't want drama in his staff. Why would he want the drama queen and her director in the whitehouse?

Why would Barak Obama want to campaign with Clinton and her hateful spitters. They would just boo him anyway. You obviously don't want him in the party so why should he submit himself to your hateful poison. He doesn't need you. He has over 18 million supporters. You wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning this election without his support in some shape or form. He doesn't need you. You need him.

Bob T, I think the people of New York would disagree with you about what their Senator has done for them. If you can put aside your personal bias and do a little research you would know that she is actually very popular in New York. If she wasn't doing anything for them she wouldn't be. Understand??

Posted by: Chris | June 4, 2008 1:26 PM

Well I'm a New Yorker and I can't identify anything concrete she has done for anyone. I have repeatedly asked Clinton supporters to name one verifiable piece of legislation that Senator Hillary Clinton has passed. And no one has been able to name a single one.

I can also verify for you that she is not that popular in NY--particularly right now. But she coasts on her NAME RECOGNITION (UNDERSTAND??) and MAY gain Senate re-election because of it in 2012 but I wouldn't count on it if a strong Democrat runs against her in the Democratic Senate primary or even a strong Republican in Nov. 2012 as many Dems in New York are now saying they will not vote for her for any office again ever--including voting for whatever Republican she is running against in Fall 2012 if it comes to it.

"Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you? Obama's camp has been the worse in history for calling names and being loud and obnoxious. Go ahead. Drive the Clinton supporters away. My husband is still undecided but even he is getting disgusted with you and told me the other day we should be looking at McCain to possibly see if we wanted to vote for him. Congratulations for winning the nomination and losing the General. Great job with all your hateful spit. You will go far but gain nothing."

Wow! That's a unique interpretation of the speech I heard, as well as the speech many of the commentators on MSNBC and CNN heard.

I'm sorry you are so angry. If McCain gets elected and appoints conservative Justices to the Supreme Court, it would hurt the cause of many Americans.

Let me get this straight Bob (the proverty pimp) Johnson is asking that Billary join an alledge drug user ticket.

Bob your creditbility in the African American community is nada. You made millions off the ignorance of young rap artist and pimped their ignorance to the fifth degree. I think Bob should put down the crack pipe. What the difference between slavery and BOB JOHNSON? The slaves were eventually freed....
BOB you must have an extremely large debt with the CLINTON's next you will have to sell your daughter or boy toy (Leion)

I would not trust Hillary with my pet. For all we know she'd have Obama Assasinated just to become President. Look at all the people who died under the Clinton Administration. Be afraid very afraid.....And the 18 millions who support her and threaten to vote for Mc Cain proves that she is an undercover Republican. If she really was a Democrat she would encourage her supporter to stay united instead of promoting divide........

Please Obama Do NOT pick Hillary as your VP. I will not be able to vote for you if you did. Also you will consistantly have to watch your back. We all know what happens to those who get in the way of the Clintons'.

If we truly want change from the Washington of the past, isn't the Clinton dynasty part of it??? I'm confused...are you just wanting to have a democrat in office, or are you believing the words that Obama is saying about change and moving towards the future? We need a different kind of Washington. The Clinton's should be in jail, not in the White House.

Please go away Bob. You've been a faithful lap dog, a perfect provocatuer of racial diviseness. Now is the time for you and HillBillary to step off. Clyburn should mark your letter "return to sender" - he's a dellusional sellout and an embarrasment to black people everywhere.

I don't see how Obama can represent change with a Clinton on the ticket. This notion that people who voted for Hillary will defect to McCain without HRC on the ticket is silly. Supposedly, if you voted for Clinton you want something done about healthcare and want the war to end. You won't get that with McCain, so why did you really vote for Hillary? Because she is white or a woman? If that is the case, you won't be voting for Obama no matter what, so there is no point in putting HRC on the ticket. For any Democrat who cares about issues, Obama has virtually the same positions as Hillary and so he is really the only place for them to go. He can easily win over Hillary's voters.

Posted by: Steven | June 4, 2008 1:05 PM
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my mother is 74 yrs old, african american and dead SET against obama. when he won she unequivocally stated she will NOT vote for anyone at all. tried to explain that by taking that route she will take part in guaranteeing mccain the presidency. She did say that if clinton was a VP she WOULD vote for an obama/clinton ticket.

While everybody is so excited about Obama reality is he will never be the President in this country its not going to happen...
Sorry to be blunt but beside the fact I ll vote for him of course the electoral block of electors that are the decision maker is racist and backward and they will vote for McCain even if they want change even if they are disappointed with GWBush because above all they do not want a black man President in America period. It is as simple and as scarry as that...Dont like it ?
you should have been smart and elect Clinton...

Interesting. Obama-Cliton Ticket.
Obama, a man wants "CHANGE" and "WILL CHANGE" Washington and the way Government is doing business by picking a former President and First Lady for 8 yrs. into his team.
Then Obama will tell the voters "I am for CHANGE" and "I will CHANGE Washington"
Interesting! Hunger for power makes people hypocrites.18-30 yrs old could be blind and may support, do others follow Obama in his travel for power?

Personally I was going to vote for Senator Clinton in November and cannot support Senator Obama, so I hope she chooses not to be the VP nominee even if he asks her. There'll be another opportunity for her in 2012.

Posted by: Paul Jepsen | June 4, 2008 1:35 PM
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Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama, there really is no need to have Hillary as a VP option, since it would bring in no support from her team, and would lose support from the Obama team.

Hillary has no value to the democrats at this point, due to her supporters.

Hillary is the worst sort of politician -- one that cares more for herself and her lust for power than for the good of her constituents. The speech she gave last night should be the final nail in the coffin of her political career. Instead of taking the opportunity to be magnanimous and congratulate the Democrating nominee, she once again turned it into "Hey look at me, aren't I great?".

Choosing her as VP would me a huge mistake. Obama needs an elder statesman with foreign policy and military experience, not Hillary Clinton.

Obama / Clinton "would" have made a great ticket, until she poisoned the well with her bitter comments and tactics. It's too bad. There's just no way these two can run together and be viewed as a team.

America does not need Hillary or Bill Clinton. They need this country. They both lied in the past and will lie again. DOES EVERYONE REMEMBER WHITEWATER AND HOW SHE LIED??? She is a liar and a cheat and does not belong in public office. Nuff said!

It's too bad Senator Obama had to win this way with the help of party insiders who chose not to vote the way their home districts voted, in which case Senator Clinton would have won, hardly representative government of/by/for the people.
Personally I was going to vote for Senator Clinton in November and cannot support Senator Obama, so I hope she chooses not to be the VP nominee even if he asks her. There'll be another opportunity for her in 2012.

Hey.....Don't you see this game?
The ONLY reason Hillary wants the VP spot is to undermine Obama in Novemeber so SHE can be the 2012 pick. She KNOWS she'll unifiy the GOP and hurt Obama supporters.
After McCain wins and does his Bush league governing, she'll have 4 years to "clean up her act",re-define her image and pray on short memories of 2008.
He doesn't need her...the country doesn't need her.
Obama needs to treat her like a cargo train treats a hobo....Pass her by!

"The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear."

So, you want to lose the General Election this November? It's the ELECTABILITY of the ticket that counts. Period.

Remember: POLITICS HAS MADE STRANGER BEDFELLOWS than this one. example/the 1941 russo german pact example/the kennedy johnson ticket example the mondale geraldine ticket we could go on and on with this one

Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you? Obama's camp has been the worse in history for calling names and being loud and obnoxious. Go ahead. Drive the Clinton supporters away. My husband is still undecided but even he is getting disgusted with you and told me the other day we should be looking at McCain to possibly see if we wanted to vote for him. Congratulations for winning the nomination and losing the General. Great job with all your hateful spit. You will go far but gain nothing.

Funny how she wants to do what's best for the 'Party', when she has dragged this battle on far too long, continuing to take swipes at Obama long after the race was mathematically out of her reach. Last night, she had the chance to do what was best for the Party again by rallying - incontrovertibly - behind Obama as Party Leader. She opted not to..Now she wants to pretend that she is willing to do what is best for the party by holding her support for Obama ransom for the VP position? This is your first major decision as the Democratic candidate Obama, and will define your candidacy just as gives voters a sense of who you really are. Pandering to Clinton's bullying would be just the sort of fear-induced, politics-as-usual, establishment pandering you have so eloquently defined yourself against.

Hillary blew her campaign right from the start by failing to apologize for, or even acknowledge, her culpability in getting us involved in the Iraq war. If she had been more forthcoming and honest about her involvement in this monumental fiasco she would have gained some respect. Since she chose to completely ignore this issue, Hillary lost major credibility points with the American people.

Her campaign was based on a single flawed premise; namely, the notion that she was the most qualified person so we have to elect her as our nominee. She really brought no new ideas to the table. The Clinton arrogance was palpable.

Her twisting of facts and figures to suit her own agenda was very off-putting. I think the American people are very suspect of anything that even remotely smells like lies! This is not the right time to run a political campaign based on half truths.

I don't think it was a good idea to change her accent and message every time she spoke to a different audience. The president must lead the entire nation as a whole, not one little group at a time. This tactic struck me as a bit disingenuous and left me believing I couldn't trust anything she had to say.

And now that the campaign is over, she has the hubris to deny Obama any acknowledgement for his well deserved victory and is now attempting to hijack the vice-presidency for herself. The Clinton's really have to grow up and accept reality. Obama would be wise to have nothing to do with these people, he can win the presidency on his own merits and without all the Clinton baggage.

I, a forty-nine (49) year old, BORN - BREED - RAISED - SAVED - STAUNCH - SOUTHERN - CHRISTIAN - DEMOCRAT, am going to have to vote republican in the general election come November, like the majority of Florida democratic I've spoken with. And yes, my family has been in Florida since the 1800's we've been self -employed for over four generations, and have political connections through out the state, so when I say "Florida democratic I've spoken with" I do not mean me, myself, and I. I have may educated friends of African- American decent, and do not consider my self racial at all. I believe Woman play a large role in our society and a lot to offer. Nevertheless, I haven't heard Senator Obama explain exactly what he plans on changing, how he can change things, nor seen in his previous senate voting record where he is the canidit of change. On the other hand, Senator McCain has a record of voting closer to the center and the ability to reach across the ilea's of the senate floor. Unlike most Americans I did pay attention in my college American National Government class, and read the book. Our government is not broken. It works just as our founding fathers intended. The Senate and House are suppose to be an on going controlled argument that is called "a debate" in hopes that only what needs to be accomplished dose get accomplished. It was not setup for everyone to get their way whenever they wanted. Senator McCain has the experience to contend with these debits, get things accomplished, and keep our country safe, I really do not see him as four more years of Bush.

WAH WAH WAH!!!! IM Hillary Clinton and I will keep throwing temper tantrums and whine and complain cause I am not getting my way. She can not deflate her ego long enough to realize she is not all she thinks she is. I would rather vote for a LOG than vote for her. Guess we know where Bill's balls went to.

Man what a Joke!!!! The Clintons' and their Rap Pimp demanding a free ticket to the ball. I say Obama should really make a change and tell them to take a Long Walk off a Short Pier. If not he'll always be looking over his shoulder waiting for her to try any means and eliminate him(he better have a taste tester where ever he goes). MAKING HER PRESIDENT AGAIN. The right change would be to let the old fogey go and find a better running mate for VP

An obvious reason that she should not be VP candidate is that she clearly does not accept that Senator Obama has WON and would be calling the shots. To put her on the ticket under these circumstances is to invite disaster for the country.

As Jen said, Obama should consider Clinton, have a laugh, and pick someone else, the person he believes is best for Vice President.

Oh Brix, you're sooooooo smart. Too bad exit polls for months have shown that 30% of those who said they voted for Clinton would not support Obama and pretty much vice versa. There is no way that millions of "repugs" would go out and vote for either of these candidates and then fake out the pollsters. You're in trouble. Obamie can't win no matter how much money Soros puts into this. Too bad too. Because a Dim president with a Dim congress will secure another 30 years of conservative rule after another one-termer like Carter.

Hilary Absolutely not! She has tried to hid her nastiness by saaying that she was trying to show Barack what he would be facing from the Republicans, she has turned numbers around and our attention to how Democrates vote for a nominee, now she want to pull a power playa, spinning numbers and stories about her base!

She is not a uniter or a team player - she is a poor sport, a driven woman with a louse for a husband, who is not fiscally reponsible for her own caapaign finances.
She is not a well mannered either or she would have conceded last night- not tried to drag out this thing to her advantage. Why can't pwople see though her desperate tricks. This is disgusting behavior and not what I want in the White House .
Hilary has become the Tanya Harding of this election

Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you? Obama's camp has been the worse in history for calling names and being loud and obnoxious. Go ahead. Drive the Clinton supporters away. My husband is still undecided but even he is getting disgusted with you and told me the other day we should be looking at McCain to possibly see if we wanted to vote for him. Congratulations for winning the nomination and losing the General. Great job with all your hateful spit. You will go far but gain nothing.

Posted by: 1paperclip | June 4, 2008 1:27 PM
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But your comments are just as vile if not worse. You want people to speak nicely to you as you attempt to shout them down. Speaks volumes about you as well.

Hillary as vp if you think she is so great take look at what she has done ,suprise not much NY has a new Govonor who looks like he may make changes,how much support has she been, By the way he is Black.

Why would Hillary Clinton want to campaign for Obama and his hateful spitters. They would just boo her anyway. You obviously don't want her in the party so why should she submit herself to your hateful poison. She doesn't need you. She has 17-18 million supporters. You don't have a chance in hell of winning this election without her support in some shape or form. She doesn't need you. You need her.

As a Clinton supporter, I think that she should not be offered the VP spot and if offered, she ought to turn it down.

This is a situation where Clinton and Obama, separately are greater than the sum of their two parts. If you put them both on the same tickets then the negatives of each will cancel out the positives and you get two halves instead of a whole.

This is not a good idea and Obama should get someone else. A Clinton supporter, but not Clinton herself, she can help the ticket more from the outside than from being on it.

Hillary being VP is a p*ss-poor idea. Obama would be better off with Richardon or Webb as his running mate. Hillary would unify a party, all right--her mere presence would unify the GOP under the sole mission of defeat (imagine the fear campaign they would wage: "Clinton--a heartbeat away from the Presidency?"). The GOP LOATHES anything named Clinton. Obama should stay away from her like plutonium.

God forbid that Hillary Clinton remains in the picture. I find it horrifying to think of appointing someone as Vice President who so hopefully spoke of assassination just a week ago. But apart from that, the Clintons have always been, and continue to be, Divise. They divided Congress along acrimonious party lines (something Bush has continued), they have torn the Democratic party apart to further her ambitions, and their opponents (and even friends who knew where the bones were buried)seem to have a knack for dying under mysterious circumstances just before revealing the truth about those two. Forget about both of them.

Let me get this straight Bob (the proverty pimp) Johnson is asking that Billary join an alledge drug user ticket.

Bob your creditbility in the African American community is nada. You made millions off the ignorance of young rap artist and pimped their ignorance to the fifth degree. I think Bob should put down the crack pipe. What the difference between slavery and BOB JOHNSON? The slaves were eventually freed....
BOB you must have an extremely large debt with the CLINTON's next you will have to sell you daughter or boy toy (Leion)

I have a sense the Republicans have been holding their fire against Hillary, hoping she would get the nomination that they could unleash their furies then. And Barach didn't wage the kind of dirty campaign Hillary dumped on him. But if she becomes part of the ticket, it will be Bill's and Hillary's dirty laundry from here to November, ala the recent Vanity Fair article. Don't do it, Barack.

Please tell me this isn't going to happen. Have we run out of stakes? What will it take to make this woman go away?

Posted by: FreekinOutAtTHis
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LOL!! It is not happening and I do not take the opinions of the head of a network whose core audience has dropped because he cannot deliver worthwhile T.V. seriously.

"As a realistic Republican, who realizes my party will loose big time in November, thank you for the entertainment value you all have brought to the campaign. Reading these comments is priceless." - Posted by: Ben

It is spelled "lose", you ignorant inbred redneck Repuke idiot.

At least you realize you are going to lose in November. We will kick your butt around the block, Ben. Ha ha.

Hillary had her chance and Obama won. It is time for her to get off the stage and let HIM pick his own running mate. He has earned his turn to shine, her behavior and that of her disgruntled supporters looks desperate. Please, enough already!

the best move would be to encourage Cltinon to take her ragtag collection of toxic hags and run as an independent. These parasites have free loaded their issues on the Democratic Party for too long and we would do well to be rid of them once and for all. They are angry, ugly, delussional, self centered, and clearly insane and have no place in civil discourse or society.

Can you imagine what a nightmare it would be to have Hillary Clinto as your VP? She'd be impossible to manage. She'd seriously think she was president, and try to have her hand and voice in every single decision. And her "supporters" is a really just a small group of outspoken people and some feminists. The majority of her votes came from gaming the system, politicking to the maximum. She got people that were voting against the black guy-- latinos or poor, stupid, uneducated, rural white people who are going to vote for McCain anyways, and would have overwhelmingly voted McCain had she been the nominee. The Clinton brand name only pulled her so far within her own party, as well. But in a general election, he would be a liability, as Obama is trying to reach the middle, and pull people over from the right. Bill and Hillary Clinton have shown themselves to be what they really are-- a couple of hardcore politicians who are hungry for power-- nothing more. History will forget about Hillary. She'll be nothing more than a footnote. Obama's story will overshadow her. People will look back and realize that she just got to the point where she is at now from pure political game playing.

hillary's ignorant supporters said they will never support obama. so forget her, he should get a VP that can appeal to independents and republicans and not one that is going to be planning his assasination with her power greedy husband.

Obama's only hope is for Hillary to campaign vigorously for him and convince her voters to vote the ticket. If she is not on it, his chances are less than zero.
Posted by: No way | June 4, 2008 1:24

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

I think that Hillary does not deserve to be VP, although she might be helpful Dems to win in November, but not necessarily. I do not want to see a "much more experienced" VP--as she claimed so hard for 16 months--dominates the White House.

If Hillary wanted to be on the ticket, she should have dropped out of the race last March by endorsing Obama and being on the Unity Ticket.

It is also my understanding that Hillary agreed to meet Obama "privately" to discuss her options. What is her intention to publicize her wish?

"Then why so much hatred? Why? Why? Answer to this may be worth the Nobel prize."

Doesn't take a Laurette to tell you that the answer, my friend, can be surmised with last night's narcassitic, polarizing speech she delivered. Here's a question for you: Do you think Hillary actually gives a fu@! about YOU or our party?

As someone who planned to vote for neither Obama nor Clinton come September, I'm amused and, frankly, amazed that the Clinton supporters feel that Obama and his supporters, as well as the media, were rude and/or dismissive of her, or otherwise antagonistic to her. From an unbiased perspective, it's quite easy to see which camp is full of bitter, quite nearly toxic people who care little for the facts of the matter and are intent on getting their way regardless of the consequences. (Hint: It's not Obama's camp.)

Posted by: K | June 4, 2008 1:15 PM

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Hint: It is Obama's camp. It apparently is still Obamas hateful camp. Do any of you Obama supporters even listen to him. Did you bother to listen to his speech last night. Is this just a game to you? Obama's camp has been the worse in history for calling names and being loud and obnoxious. Go ahead. Drive the Clinton supporters away. My husband is still undecided but even he is getting disgusted with you and told me the other day we should be looking at McCain to possibly see if we wanted to vote for him. Congratulations for winning the nomination and losing the General. Great job with all your hateful spit. You will go far but gain nothing.

Obama's only hope is for Hillary to campaign vigorously for him and convince her voters to vote the ticket. If she is not on it, his chances are less than zero.
Posted by: No way | June 4, 2008 1:24

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

Just a quick note and this is from the 2nd or 3rd paragraph in the above article:

Robert Johnson said in a telephone interview Wednesday morning. "She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November."

So its in the best intrest of the party and NOT IN THE BEST INTREST OF THE COUNTRY. Talk about backwards. It should be in the best intrest of the country and not for their own party. Their best intrest would to be HONEST with everyone. But this is politics and honesty does not get votes.

Hillary and her thugs and bullies can take it and stuff it somewhere nice.
This woman is a disgrace to all women, she is tasteless, classless, tacky and I never want to see her again.
We are all talking about how angry her people are, well get a load of the Obama people. If she does not concede, her legacy is done. She is a destroyer, she is evil. She is done!

Bob T, I think the people of New York would disagree with you about what their Senator has done for them. If you can put aside your personal bias and do a little research you would know that she is actually very popular in New York. If she wasn't doing anything for them she wouldn't be. Understand??

Obama needs HRC. If she goes on TV and says to her 18 million voters "don't vote for Obama", that's it, you lose the election.
Posted by: AJ | June 4, 2008 1:20 PM

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

THE JOB THAT HILLARY DID WILL NOT SECURE HER THE VICE PRESIDENCY SLOT. SHE SHOWS THAT THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN WAS ABOUT HERSELF NOT THE PEOPLE, SHE WOULD HAVE DONE JUST AS THE REPUBLICANS DID WITH MCCAIN. I FOR ONE WILL NOT WANT HER ON THE VICE PRESIDENCY SLOT FOR THE INTEREST OF THE PARTY.

Over 35 million liberal Democrats voted in the primaries and 18 million voted AGAINST Barack Obama. When the rest of the centrist and right leaning 95 million general election voters have their say, Obama will go down with McGovern as one of the biggest Democratic losers in history. My advice to Hillary is to NOT run as VP but to stay away from this pariah. She'll get her turn in 2012.

There's no reason to be concerned about the McCain-ocrats threat to throw the election. Most of those posts are just Repugs looking to stir things up anyway.

Millions may have voted for Clinton in the primaries. But it doesn't take much thinking to realize that it's a much smaller number that would be willing to follow her into an ego-fueled sabotage of the Democratic party.

I hope she doesn't try it. And in truth I don't think she's stupid enough to. But if she does, once the ugliness of that intent becomes clear her support among party leaders will drop to zero, and her support among Democrats will fall to a core of a few thousand crazies we're better off without anyway.

Hillary will do for the USA as Vice President as she has done for NY. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Maybe someone will give a house in DC, similar to her gift of a house in NY. The power hungry couple, Bill and Hill, should get out of the public eye and retire to $100,000 speeches.

Although it is Obama's prerogative whom he chooses to be his VP, I think it will be a big mistake to choose Clinton. She showed a thorough lack of respect for him and the process,(not for the first time) in not conceding in her speech last nite. Secondly her ego and that of her husband will make for a power struggle within the white house, even now she can't bring herself to admit she is not the presidential candidate. Why would anyone expect her to not feel like Alexander Haig, that she is in charge? Which brings me to the last, her justification a few weeks ago for staying in the race had something to do with RFK's assassination. What would the life expectancy be for Obama if she is VP? It is a valid question given how people have a way of dying around the Clintons.

Franky, Actually (and the anonymous poster "Posted by: | June 4, 2008 12:20 PM" is a genuine Clinton feminist that posts about every 30 seconds on one forum or another here) the best move would be to encourage Cltinon to take her ragtag collection of toxic hags and run as an independent. These parasites have free loaded their issues on the Democratic Party for too long and we would do well to be rid of them once and for all. They are angry, ugly, delussional, self centered, and clearly insane and have no place in civil discourse or society.

She had her chance a few months ago when it became clear she was not going to win. Instead of supporting Obama and the Party, she started her scorched earth tactics that have only emboldened those in teh GOP to launch dirty tricks and racist attacks. The Party and the times have passed Hillary and her team by - she needs to leave the stage, and if not on her own, be thrown off it.

EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLINTONS DESPERATE!!!!!!!!!!
SHE CAN'T HAVE THE CRIB SO SHE WILL SETTLE FOR THE RATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!
CLINTONS ARE HISTORY AND THEY ARE STILL AROUND!!!!!
DEMOCRATS...DUMP THESE EGOCENTRIC BIGOTS WHO CAN NOT ADMIT DEFEAT!!!!!!!
PLEASE.HELP!!! THEY ARE BRINGING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY DOWN...AND ARE..."LOVIN IT!"

Obama needs HRC. If she goes on TV and says to her 18 million voters "don't vote for Obama", that's it, you lose the election. Obama supporters need to get over themselves and realize they need the "monster" that is Hillary to get your precious inexperienced Obama into office. Sick of you self-righteous, greater than thou, Obama lovers.

That HRC wants to bargain for the VP slot is a good thing, means she isn't thinking 2012, which means you can stop her from destroying Obama's hopes. That's why half the Obama team is open to HRC as VP... and the other half are the morons.

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her 'suffrage rally' last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

If Obama picks Hillary as his VP we (my family) will not vote for him in the general election. How can you go after McCain on lobbyist when the Clinton's are connected at the hip with them and not to mention the shady dealing of Bill since being out of office. Last night should have told him that she can't be trusted. Start acting like a leader and stop letting the Clinton's lead you around by the nose with their demands. You are going overboard with praising Hillary everyday, enough is enough.

Why, why is the hatred for Clintons so deep-rooted on this board, on each and every major network, among the political "experts, among "colleages?" Richard Nixon was not hated so much. Nor are George Bush and Dick Cheney. And these people negatively affected peoples' lives? Hillary has not been in position to affect peoples' lives/ Then why so much hatred? Why? Why? Answer to this may be worth the Nobel prize.

Sad. Treated like a tramp for months and now begging for the second slot on the ticket. Has this woman no shame? She lost. They didn't want her. Nobody wants her. Perhaps she should seek a job in the commodities market, she seemed to do pretty well with that.

Well, if anyone was looking for the graceful exit from the scene by HRC, it is evident that it will not happen. The democrats will have only her and Bill to blame if BHO must expend resources at this stage to fend off HRC continual sniping and assertion that it is not over until the convention. P.S. - Don't these senators have jobs, looks like the senate is in session yet all three are still giving speeches at rallies as if they are still campaigning.

Hillary also stands for change, Her policies are simular, she is a hard worker and has a lot of influence in the Democratic party, and Hillary should be on the ticket because she has 17-18 million supporters who hate Obama. Obama may get some of these without Hillary but not all. Every vote that defects to McCCain is like 2 votes against Obama. Do you remember all the Polls that told you how many refused to vote for Obama? They would still vote for Hillary even if it were just for VP. The Republicans would like nothing better than to pull in the votes from Hillary supporters, and Obama supporters from what I hear on this blog, would rather have Obama lose the election. This is acting real grown up. Cut off your nose to spite your ugly faces and ugly hearts and we'll see if it loses you the election.

the easiest way to get hillary clinton out of our hair?
make her go through the vetting process the same as any other candidate. no free pass.
that includes:
spouse
spouse's finances
source of spouse's income
financial contributors to family
finances of the financial contributors
potential legal issues from spouse
potential legal issues from financial contributors

we all know what happened when geraldine ferraro's husband wasn't fully vetted. and geraldine either knew all about it, or had a marriage that kept her in the dark on her husband's finances (not a desirable trait for a veep/executive office holder)

ask hillary and bill to fill out those forms, and she'll be in front of the cameras the next day saying that she decided not to seek the veep, after all.

Franky, what are you talking about? I have been a Clinton supporter, but now that Senator Obama is the party's nominee I will be supporting him. This is true for all of my Democratic friends. Generalizations like yours only serve to create divisiveness, something I assume you are opposed to as an Obama supporter.

As someone who planned to vote for neither Obama nor Clinton come September, I'm amused and, frankly, amazed that the Clinton supporters feel that Obama and his supporters, as well as the media, were rude and/or dismissive of her, or otherwise antagonistic to her. From an unbiased perspective, it's quite easy to see which camp is full of bitter, quite nearly toxic people who care little for the facts of the matter and are intent on getting their way regardless of the consequences. (Hint: It's not Obama's camp.)

All I have been hearing about is Hope and Change. Bringing Hillary into the picture is not change but same old. I know politics is a dirty business. We know politicians lie. But you try to see past that? I cant look past in dealin with the Clintons. She knows about working people with what the Clintons made each of the last couple of years? She wont pull the trigger but she is suspect in a lot of things.

all of a sudden she is a New Yorker. All of a sudden we vote her in? What the heck were these New Yorkers thinking. I write to to her office about and issue I get all rhetoric back and no answers. Chuck Schumer's office at least answered and resolved my problem.

She is an ego megalo maniac. And other maniacs too. Oh yeah with bullets flying only over her in Bonsia;)

The democrats should let the dust settle. This will all look quite different in a few days time. I can't think of any circumstance that might tempt Sen.Obama to have the Clintons on the ticket. But stranger things have happened.Plus, what was the price some 'superdelegates' required of him for their endorsement. In any event this is going to be a close run thing against Sen. McCain, who may yet pull off the real surprise.

Being that Hillary supporters would never vote for Obama, there really is no need to have Hillary as a VP option, since it would bring in no support from her team, and would lose support from the Obama team.

Hillary has no value to the democrats at this point, due to her supporters.

What a mistake Hillary would be. Let's hope and pray Obama has the good sense to choose anyone but Hillary. As much as I want to see a change, if Hillary is on the ticket I stay home election day and read a book.

This just in from the AP. Former president Carter says the worst thing Obama could do is have hillary as his running mate. According to this report, Carter really blasted klinton and she does not have the experience or know how to be VP. Klinton should stay home and bake cookies.

Before Obama selects Hillary as VP he should send OJ over to visit her in his white Bronco....

By the way.... I am only referring the the historical fact that OJ did ride in a white Bronco. OJ was found guilty of no crime. Any any interpretation of my statement to mean anything else is absolutely crazy.

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her suffrage rally last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

I think that last night Hillary proved that she has no class. Nothing defines a person better than the way they lose. She's a poor loser, and her desire to be at the front of the line at any cost would be an impediment to Obama's campaign. She would most assuredly try an advance her own agenda at the cost of the campaign. In the long run, I don't see where she would be an asset.

Clintons never fail to amaze me! After loosing the nomination process, with everything in your power, how can you've audacity to demand anything from Barack, let alone spot on the ticket? And for all people Bob Johnson, the rap video pimp, does not have the standing to strong arm Barack to accept her on the ticket. For the good of the country and the party, Barack has to pick someone that can add value to the ticket.

Obama can choose anyone he wants. Obama has to choose someone as VP. Clinton has what he needs to win the election. What is important to you? Obama winning the election?

Posted by: 1paperclip | June 4, 2008 12:58 PM

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
IT IS ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR

This election is not about Hillary Clinton. It is about 100 years in Iraq versus withdrawal. Less than 30% of Amercians want us there any longer than a quick withdrawal period. McCain says 100 years.

The choice is clear. And you think Obama won't win that argument without Hillary? Sorry. Obama certainly doesn't need someone who VOTED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE WAR until those poll numbers started to become clear.

If you want to WASTE your vote as a 'Hillary protest vote'--B/C SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE TICKET--go ahead. I predict as many people will do that as showed up to her suffrage rally last week--SEVERAL HUNDRED MAX.

Hillary appears to be vital to Obama winning in November. Her legions of supporters, if organized and energized to get Obama elected would be a tremendous force. Additionally, many of her 'causes' are tremendously beneficial to the American people.

That being said, I would not like her on the ticket. As her campaign showed, she and Bill attract too many distracting issues and shifts the focus away from the issues that Obama needs to bring to the American people.

She is deserving of the Vice-Presidency, but it wouldn't be good for the Democratic Party. Give her whatever position she feels that she can help the American People and champion her causes; agree to adopt her health care plan and possibly others; allow her to participate at the convention in any way she desires but keep her out of the White House and just as importantly keep Bill out. Give Bill a plum position where he can utilize his abilities and keep his foibles out of the spotlight. Ambassador to the UN?

Let Hillary give her 'short list' of suggested VPs and other cabinet positions ... but don't choose or appoint someone on the list due to pressure.

hillary clinton has nothing to offer sen obama at this time. her popularity is a thing of yesterday as is most noticeable in recent calif polls. it would seem to know her is to become wary of her. the major exception to this is uneducated whites and those woman whose voting is determined on the basis of chromosomes, your basic bush voters. for obama to have presented the possibility of change and to then take on hillary and barnyard bill would be the most discouraging event in american politics in the last 50 years. www.saintpeterii.com

Can you believe this. Hillary has made a decision to become an bitter All American suicide bomber determined to hand John Mcinsane a third bush regime. The clintons have shown truly the chickens are coming home to roost. Is it not obvious hillary has become an obsesive, bitter, selfish, delusional, arogant loser who cannot deal with reality. When Mcinsane is sworn in come January thank hillary for holding America hostage because she did not get her way. There is no shame in her disgusting shock and awe behavior

Clintonites will again threaten to defect - this time, if Hillary is not chosen for Obama's VP. However no-one will believe them when they are faced with McCain as the alternative. It takes real determination to try to shape the political landscape, and Clintonites just don't have it. They'll vote party-line no matter what, so you can safely take their votes for granted. The only voters whose voice are worth listening to are independents who really *will* vote for someone else if the current ticket represents business as usual, who can take the heat and the anger for being a "defector". People like me who voted for Nader in 2002 (hate me, but guess what: my vote matters, and yours never will). I'll vote for Obama no matter who he chooses for a running mate, but I definitely would not have voted for Clinton for prez.

CONGRATULATIONS to Barak Obama. Against all odds spouted by self appointed prejudiced opinionated political analysts so called emanating from the kitchen strategy mass production theorist factory of the old school politics,who punched and crunched inflated and suspected polls to "authenticate" their predictions of a win by anyone else other than Barak Obama.
The Obama 08 political machine went into overdrive and there you are , Obama raced across the finish line whilst the broken down kitchen sink strategy truck was pushed and shoved by half committed supporters tired of a long long race that had already been decided along time ago.
Now there is talk about this and that and the VP spot. Let the dust settle first. And then look at the vitriol spouted by the kitchen sink strategy unit.
The Clinton camp could have called the shots under different circumstances. Right now the Obama Camp should look to it's own ranks and appoint it's own VP without no hidden agendas and no unvetted baggage.
The media eye has brought things to this and they know that convention states that the winning Presidential nominee is allowed to choose his own VP.
President Jimmy Carter should be commended for his VP comments.
Sorry Hillary. The Obama camp reserves their right to choose their own VP. Talk of not supporting Obama now was just talk. Democrats must now rally around the chosen Democratic Presidential Nominee and Barak's choice of V.P., according to standing convention procedures that have not been overruled as at todays date.You did great Hillary. We salute you. You tried. It is time to move on.
The Obama camp can pick their own VP. They earned their right to do so. They have a proven track record on how to run a winning campaign.They don't need those individuals that devised a strategy on how to lose a campaign big time soiled with spin and mud slinging rhetoric spouted by self appointed disgruntled political analysts to dictate strategy to the Obama camp. Peace to all.Errol Smythe.

Hill/Bill as veep. Oh H-E-double hockey stick NO! Them Clintons will do everything to undermine an Obama adminstration from Day One! But I'm not worried -- Michelle Obama will have none of it!

It is interesting that the same lackey named Bob "BET Pimp Daddy" Johnson who derided Obama about his unnamed activities in the hood is now begging Obama to take his benefactors on as veep. Pathetic! Obama, tell Johnson not to let the door hit him on the way out!

"I made my point last night. I have 18 million bargaining chips that I may be willing to trade, but only if you buy me off with the VP slot. I care more about myself and my own personal ambition than on doing what is best for the party or for the country by getting behind the nominee for the Democratic party without conditions and without blackmail attempts."

At this point, I will accept any other partner on the ticket that Obama picks.

If she wanted to be Obama's VP, the way she could have managed it was to drop out three months ago, spend the last three months campaigning on Obama's behalf, and nudge him behind closed doors. The wrong way to do it was what she did last night, try and publicly bully him into picking her.

Now if he accepts he looks weak...like an appeaser. How is that supposed to strengthen the Democratic ticket?

Obama is in a Catch 22 situation. If he did not choose Hillary as the VP then his chance of winning the presidency is going to be a struggle. Hillary and her supporters will not vote for him.

On the other if Obama chose her as a VP he has a definite chance of becoming the President. But then, Bill and Hillary will play a tag team and destroy Obama's credibility from within the administration. The Clinton's will leak inoformation to the press regularly and will create a crisis where in Obama will resign and she takes over the presidency.

The reason why Hillary wants to be a VP is because she wants to be closer to the presidency.

As others have said, why should Sen. Obama put the most divisive candidate in the nation on a ticket representing unity? Furthermore, Clinton demonstrated yet again on Tuesday that she does not know how to take the back seat under any circumstances. A true unity ticket would be Chuck Hagel or ANYONE but Clinton of Obama's chosing.

this is a very hard decision for me. I am aficAn american and i was for hillary, but after listening to obama i swithed. now we all know how racists this country is and always will be and i don't think that obama can win without hillary.obama can't stand up to what the karl orveites will plan and throw at him. if this would be a clean campaign without the swiftboaters maybe he would have a chancebut will all of the lies running around the internet about obama, i think that he is doomed, but is the best candidate for change

I was disappointed but not surprised that the posting done at 12:20 is unsigned. I'm talking about the rant that contains the threat in capital letters, to have millions of Clinton supporters either vote McCain or begin a third party movement. Arguments are "supported" by unsubstantiated u-tube cites within the comment. A major difference has been the tone of the candidates. Virtually all of Obama comments seem to come out of his community organizing background. he recognizes that he can't demand anything, but only go to where people are intellectually and emotionally and begin a dialogue there. Clinton & McCain, on the other hand, demand that others follow them because they have "THE ANSWER." There seems to be a real interest by the voters in changing not only the direction of the country over the last 8 years, but in the tone of the discourse. Obama followed the rules that were set down before the primaries began, and won under those rules. Get behind the candidate, and let the Dems show a united front to reverse the downward spiral we have been in for nearly a decade!

So you want to set the standards so high for VP that no one will want the position and you would threaten to kick Pres Clintons foundation in the teeth even though it helps millions with the fight against AIDS. And you would do this just to keep Hillary from being Obama's VP. As if doing that isn't completely obvious and disinguinuous. You are the worst kind of joke. Go vote for the Republicans. This election is for Obama to win or lose. Sounds like you want him to lose piggy piggy.

the easiest way to get hillary clinton out of our hair?
make her go through the vetting process the same as any other candidate. no free pass.
that includes:
spouse
spouse's finances
source of spouse's income
financial contributors to family
finances of the financial contributors
potential legal issues from spouse
potential legal issues from financial contributors

we all know what happened when geraldine ferraro's husband wasn't fully vetted. and geraldine either knew all about it, or had a marriage that kept her in the dark on her husband's finances (not a desirable trait for a veep/executive office holder)

ask hillary and bill to fill out those forms, and she'll be in front of the cameras the next day saying that she decided not to seek the veep, after all.

let's move on, nancy pelosi. please show some leadership and let hillary know that the "clinton era" has ended.

If Barack can get Hillary without Bill, can we get Barack without Michelle? She may be justified about her feelings against the country, but do we want her to be the Hostess and Ambassador to the foreign Dignitaries, many of whom perhaps hold the same negative view of the US. Perhaps would like to a fly-on-the-wall behind closed door.

French First Lady: "You Americans.....

Michelle: "Don't get me going on that! Let's close the door and talk..."

I don't see how Obama can represent change with a Clinton on the ticket. This notion that people who voted for Hillary will defect to McCain without HRC on the ticket is silly. Supposedly, if you voted for Clinton you want something done about healthcare and want the war to end. You won't get that with McCain, so why did you really vote for Hillary? Because she is white or a woman? If that is the case, you won't be voting for Obama no matter what, so there is no point in putting HRC on the ticket. For any Democrat who cares about issues, Obama has virtually the same positions as Hillary and so he is really the only place for them to go. He can easily win over Hillary's voters.

CR @ 1:02, you are not a Democrat. You're a Republican posing as a Democrat trying to stir things up. I have never heard a Democrat say they were ashamed of the Clinton administration. Go back to the freerepublic site and troll around there.

Hey, that's a lovely line. I also enjoyed the 'forget to wear your tinfoil hat?' comment.

The best thing about these comment boxes is that the long, lunatic postings sometimes bring out a wry rejoinder. You have to wonder who reads this far. And who bothers to post, and for what reason. I myself am an exception, insofar as my interest is scholarly and contained always by the clear vessel of reason. Gotta go, CIA blimp hovering over my house again, men in black sliding down ropes. Need to make new pot coffee, they always want coffee.

The aforementioned comment that Hillary Clinton is "anti-change" is as idiotic as it is untrue. It is shocking that any adult could view the candidates in such a simple, concrete light. Obama is "for change" and Hillary is "anti-change"...Come on! That's something a two year old might believe...

i love how clinton supporters discount the caucuses but included michigan on their popular vote counts - the only way their 'math' works. what frauds.
bye bye, hill! not all parting is sweet sorrow! in this case it is quite joyful.

What is this block of voters Hillary be wanting to leverage? I guess she's counting me, as I voted for her and supported her campaign. But I am not hers to leverage: I am wholeheartedly supporting Obama for November and contributed to his campaign last night.

She just doesn't know when to leave, and she's done harm to the party she represents.

That said, how can anyone have expected her to carry on the dutties of the office of the president when she could not even run for office in a manner that would have demonstrated presidencial abilities.

Now instead of the title of president, she has the title "The thing that wouldn't go away".

We canot bring back those Clinton years, they were the worst years in American history, we Democrats are still ashamed how we messed up those 8 years.
The last 8 years showed us just how bad Bill Clinton was as president.
We canot afford to have Bill around for 4 more years.

Almost as many people (if not more) voted for Hillary over Obama. Even on the very last day of the primary season, when he was the inevitable nominee, Obama LOST to Hillary in South Dakota. That's a big deal, and it makes a big statement about what half of the party thinks of him. So the answer is not to have Hillary pack her bags and ride off into the sunset. He needs her, big time.

Sen. Clinton gave an ungracious and narcissistic victory speech Tuesday night at Baruch College. By not acknowledging the historic accomplishment of the Democratic nominee for president, Sen. Clinton demonstrated that she is the past and would be a very poor fit as Sen. Obama's running mate. Sen. Obama, instead, please choose a VP who is in step with your message of change.

I frankly do not understand why Hillary would want to be VP. If she is thinking of the Chenny model, she will be totally disappointed. Obama is not a child needing an adult to hold his hands. Or is she thinking of the LBJ model?

If she "misapeaks" or "misbehaves" as a VP, Obama could make funeral attendence her only assignment. Or worse, she does not even get sent to funerals.

Whoa, there are so many Clinton-bashers here it's impressive. Most of you forget that your reasons for not choosing her are opinions, and as such, solely your own. You say Clinton is devisive, for example, yet she won the popular vote? (or if you believe some counts, did not win but came quite close). If she was so unlikeable, why did she have roughly half of the democratic votes?

And to those who say she is anti-change.. really? Since when? She has spoken of her agenda in explicit terms, and has detailed many ways in which she would change proceedings in Washington.

And when will a brilliant woman finally be recognized for her own merits and not for her husband's misdeeds? Yeesh!

And of course, I agree, Obama should choose his own VP. I am not even a Hillary fan, I am voting Obama, but seriously, I am so sick of this misogyny.

"Once again, it's all about Hillary Clinton, who delivered the most abrasive, self-absorbed, selfish, delusional and extortionate political speech I've heard in a long time. And I've left out some adjectives, just to be polite."

Obama can choose anyone he wants. Obama has to choose someone as VP. Clinton has what he needs to win the election. What is important to you? Obama winning the election? Or you being able to spew unjustified hatred towards a very popular Democrate who has the support of between 17 and 18 million voters and we allow you to drive away her supporters until McCain wins the election? Unless you can back up your stupid insinuations, and they arn't something from lala land, Just shut up. If you don't want to vote for Obama if he has Clinton as his VP, who cares. The few votes he might lose compared to 17-18 million he would gain doesn't count for much. And if you still don't want to vote for Obama if Clinton is his VP I don't believe you. Would you rather vote for a Republican in protest? I don't think so.

I think that the way Obama nixes Hillary as VP is to declare a vetting process for members of his administration, including VP, that requires full financial disclosure of the person and the person's spouse's finances and a comment period. Second, spouses of high administration officials cannot be lobbyists or receive money from foreign governments, directly or indirectly, and all prior speaking moneys have to be publicly disclosed as well as donations to foundations lead by or benefiting the spouse.

Let me get this straight - she says Obama is not qualified, and yet she wants to unify the party. She says she will do everything she can to get him elected and defeat John McBush, but now only if she's given the VP slot?

THE UNMITIGATED GALL OF THESE PEOPLE!!! WHEN DOES THE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT END????

This woman is TOXIC. She is pathologically disturbed. And all of her supporters threatening to vote for McBush now that SHE WILL NEVER WIN THE NOMINATION - you were never Democrats. Your vote for McBush is a vote for the continued downward spiral into fascism that is overtaking this country.

Obama has to choose someone as VP. Clinton has what he needs to win the election. What is important to you? Obama winning the election? Or you being able to spew unjustified hatred towards a very popular Democrate who has the support of between 17 and 18 million voters and we allow you to drive away her supporters until McCain wins the election? Unless you can back up your stupid insinuations, and they arn't something from lala land, Just shut up. If you don't want to vote for Obama if he has Clinton as his VP, who cares. The few votes he might lose compared to 17-18 million he would gain doesn't count for much. And if you still don't want to vote for Obama if Clinton is his VP I don't believe you. Would you rather vote for a Republican in protest? I don't think so.

I think this has been a great campaign, with a close finish. And I think Hillary Clinton would be a terrific choice for a running mate. Adding her would bring in all those voters who supported her candidacy, and there were many.

I say she should go for it, and he should choose her. It's not begging; it's putting herself forward, as she has put herself forward all along. I'll vote for Obama whomever he chooses, but Obama-Clinton would be a wonderful ticket. If he doesn't choose her, he should should consider her for an important position, such as Supreme Court justice, perhaps.

Is this what it has come to? lobbying Congressional members and the Black Caucus to force/ twist Obama's hand in taking Hillary as the VP? I cannot believe you guys! Even Bush and Condi have recognized Obama as the Dem nominee, guess who hasn't or who has refused to recognize the historic event? Hillary. And yet u'll are backing Obama into a corner about this VP stuff, BS!

Even now, Hllary and Johnson cannot accept the fact that Obama is man enough to pick his own VP? Are u'll crazy! Let Obama deal with this in his own way. He won this thing fairly and squarely, in his on terms, let him decide!

Senator Obama should ignore Clinton and move on to becoming the next President of the United States.

Mrs. Clinton showed her real self, again, last night by not conceding and by holding the rally in place where her audience was unable to know that Senator Obama became the presumptive nominee. Mrs. Clinton lacks empathy. She thinks only of herself. A perfect study case for psychiatrists.

It won't happen. First, when will Hillary Clinton acknowledge Obama's victory? Last night was her chance to do it gracefully. I think she will hold out until she gets financial help to retire her debt. That will take time to negotiate and during that time she loses credibility. By the time she finally endorses Obama it will be too late to put her on the ticket without making him look like an utter wimp. Of course, he has no intention of inviting her to join the ticket. He needs someone who is truly loyal to electing him President and Hillary doesn't fit the bill (no pun intended).

First, Bob Johnson is not in a position to ask Obama for anything after his inflammatory innuendo about Obama this winter.

Second, last night proved to me that Hillary would be Obama's worst nightmare on the ticket. She does not know how to mediate. She's actually trying to bully Obama into giving her what she wants, and if he doesn't, it appears she'd try to leverage her bloc of voters to refuse to support the party. That's NOT the way to get on the VP ticket. And it's not consistent with Obama's style of teamwork and no drama. Besides, how would she take back all the horrible things she said about Obama, like he doesn't pass the commander-in-chief test?

I started this primary season with such a high regard for the Clintons. Now, I can say with almost everyone else, they are rule-or-ruin people who are willing to do anything and hurt anyone to get what they want. Obama can't govern effectively with a person like that in the number 2 spot.

It is really too bad that Hillary campaign and Hillary herself has made Obama the scapegoat as to why they lost now they want to corner Obama into making HIS decision for vp. So the follow-up question would be.....What will happen if Barack does not pick Hillary as his vp... the Hillary campaign and Hillary will get a double dose of being a victim.

I am a women and I am getting tired of the women supporters for Hillary, are still crying wolf. Our rights were fought for and won years ago. Hillary did not get elected for the nominee because she is a women, it's because of Hillary period. Please it's a shame that Hillary has to make like she is the only one that will listen to the people that voted for her, majority women, and wants to make sure your voice will be heard. So what I hear is that Obama will not listen to Hillary supporters voices....how decieving and minipulative and very devisive....ummm

Hillary for the Supreme Court. Bill can't elbow into her limelight there. It would make most feminists applaud, especially since her work there would reflect her own merit and no longer be dependent on Bill and his moneyed friends. It's a post he did not hold before her. The Supreme Court needs a Justice in touch with politics and real folks, like Earl Warren and Sandra Day O'Conner. And since she would no longer have to pander, the real Hillary could shine.

As Andrea Mitchell has said on the nightly news, there is no reason to think Obama would want Bill Clinton ANYWHERE NEAR this ticket. Like it or not, Bill Clinton would involve himself in campaigning for the ticket and he would cause trouble for all involved. I sincerely hope that Senator Obama will think better of this crazy idea. I trust his judgment. After all, he's been dealing with HRC for at least a year now.

Time for Mr. Obama to be very, very careful. Mrs. Clinton's husband took $130 million from the president of Kazakhstan a few years ago and now it's payback time. If the Clintons can't get back in, they themselves may be at risk.
Mr. Obama needs some very public insurance, something that makes it crystal-clear that HRC will not be the nominee should he have an unfortunate accident.

poor little hillary wants back in the game now that she is out.
she blew it. she had the nomination on a silver platter and she dropped it. she's a lightweight. her whole time in the senate has been building for this run to the WH and she blew it. Go home, where ever that is these days - little rock? chappaqua? georgetown?

Right...after the way she ran her campaign and after that amazingly arrogant, delusional and self -serving speech, she is said to be VP?

Ha, the former can be (barely) forgiven, but the latter: if she had said anything along the line of "I congratulate Senator Obama on this historical win, I hope we can work together to restore our country's stand, after these long, dark eight, years...blah, blah, blah..."

But did she, did she hell! She went on about how she "owns" 18 million voters, how important South Dakota was, how Obama was a worthy - as in up to standard -adversary (HE WON! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!), how she'll carry on...It was HIS night and she just chose to hijack with a dishonest speech it because things didn't go her way.

So no, she doesn't need a job offer, she needs either to humbly endorse Obama, or to leave the party, or to be sectioned.

I would rather see Obama stick to his principles, than to take Hillary on the ticket as VP. He has been a gentleman in responding to the poisonous vitriol that she has spewed in his direction. But to award her now, and constantly wonder if she is waiting for an assassin to make her president? Intolerable.
Also,having Bill Clinton in the mix, and constantly attracting negative headlines for Obama's administration...Intolerable.

Unprecedented audacity:
Here is a woman who pretentiously called on Obama to step aside while he led the vote and then last night could not even validate his win, only congratulate him on the race he had "run".

This person needs to get off the stage. There is nothing Barack Obama needs from Hilary Clinton that he cannot acquire on his own.

Obama can't win without Clinton, so I see why he should want her on his ticket. But I don't see why she would want to be on it. She should do her Democratic duty by asking her supporters to support Obama (even though a high percentage won't anyway), then she should let Obama go ahead a lose, as he will without her, while Clinton continues doing theterrific jobs she's been doing as Senator. The bigwigs in the "Democratic" Party made their choice; now they should have to live with the consequences.

When will this end? Hillary is a very poor loser. She is wrong to force Obama's hand to make her his VP. She "is using" the millions that voted for her to extort a VP position. She diabolically egged her support to believe they will be disrespected and ignored if she is not there to save them. She does not represent his style (integrity) of politics. First of all she does not believe in his leadership; she doesn't think he is qualified. So she will interfere and disrupts his leadership more than compliment him. This will not be good for the Obama ticket.

Hillary should be rebuking Bill Clinton for his affairs with women while he pushed her candidacy. Obama does not need to bring that kind of thing back into the White House. Bill and Hillary shamed us with this once before.

DON'T DO IT HILLARY, DON'T DEMEAN YOURSELF IN THIS WAY, BEGGING FROM THAT DISINGENUOUS RACIST FRAUD OBAMA-IT WON'T DO ANY GOOD ANYWAY, BECAUSE MILLIONS OF US WHO VOTED FOR YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER VOTE FOR THE GOD DAMN AMERICA LISTENING OBAMA WHO IS THE BIGGEST DIVIDER NOT A UNITER THAT MODERN POLITICS HAS SEEN-OBAMA IS A BIG 0-AND DEMS. WILL LEARN THAT PAINFUL FACT IN NOVEMBER!

Unless and until Hillary Clinton publicly concedes fully and endorses Obama and give her and president clinton's superdelegate votes, Obama should not succumb to clinton's demands and her failed political tactics. Hillary still has not learned that her style of manipulating thru her surrogates cannot work, whether she uses a billionaire Johnson or Larry Davis or others. Obama has to be fair to the political process of selecting his v.p. he should give opportunities to all qualified and loyal supporters including his other competitors who ran with him.
CLINTON IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE PARTY'S FOCUS FROM GENERAL ELECTIONS AND BEATING JOHN MCCAINE TO "CLINTON AGENDA". This is dangerous to the health of the party.

I was prepared to accept Clinton as a VP right up until last night. Now, forget it! Her remarks last night and today, her lack of any concession, and the continued venom of her supporters makes that completely unacceptable. The fanaticism and hysteria of the Geraldine Ferraro branch of feminism is dangerous. I genyuinely believe that these "Squeeky Frome" wannabees would be a security nightmare, and I honestly now think one or more of them might actually attempt to assassinate Mr. Obama in some sort of insane end run around the nominating process. If anything, this "movement" needs to be exterminated as a dangerous pseudo-religion populated by delussional nut jobs.

Praise Hillary Clinton. Listen to her. Stand with her for photo ops. But, do not give her one ounce of power in your administration. She'll expand that power like a cancer that will eat your great ideas alive.

DON'T DO IT, HILLARY, DON'T DEMEAN YOURSELF THAT WAY. IT WON'T HELP, MILLIONS OF US WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO HELP UNIFY THE PARTY-YOU CAN RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT-PULL A ROSS PEROT-THAT