Gun Review: CZ P-10 C

“Improving on Perfection” CZ-USA boldly proclaims, promoting their new P-10 C. I’m sure CZ’s lawyers would swear that the slogan is all about making their guns better. Clearly, it’s a shot over GLOCK’s bow. A claim that begs us to nitpick the heck out of this gun. Game on!

Nestled in the CZ’s lockable plastic box: small, medium, and large backstraps, two 15-round magazines, a cleaning brush and rod, a factory test target, a cable gun lock, the owner’s manual, and . . . a boring-looking gun. Gone are most of the P-07/09 series’ aggressive styling cues; the hard lines, angles, tails, rails, swoops, and loops.

I think Jon of The Gun Collective was right: if you want to take a chunk of the Civic’s market, you create a Corolla. (Well, he was mostly right; the Corolla predates the Civic by six years.) The CZ P-10 C may not be exciting, but neither is Gaston’s gat. A little less polarizing and a little more pedestrian can have mass appeal, or at least mass acceptance.

Check out the photo above. Which is the P-10 C and which is the G19? Time’s up! The GLOCK’s on the left. It’s hard to tell from the photo, but the CZ’s grip texture squares are a bit larger and sharper. The corners and edges are closer to true 90° angles. The P-10’s grip is just as comfortable as the GLOCK’s, even when shooting bare-handed outside in sub-freezing weather. But the CZ is hands-down — actually, hands stuck right in place — grippier.

The P-10 C (left) must have the fattest, burliest barrel lugs and locking block to ever appear in a pistol of this sort. It looks like it could eat the GLOCK equivalents (right) for breakfast.

Also up in the nitrided steel slide: the flat coil recoil spring on a polymer guide rod, the striker and striker block components, a healthy extractor, and the aforementioned land-and-groove rifled barrel with full-width lugs. Slide rail inserts, lugs, pins, and everything else inside the frame is beefy, too.

The ambidextrous slide stop is a unique design that I haven’t seen before. It’s a hoop of solid steel that engages the bottom of the breech face rather than a little notch in the slide. Likewise, the trigger bar is a hoop of solid steel that runs around both sides underneath the slide stop.

CZ has never paid much attention to tool marks in non-wear, non-visible areas; the P10-C is cleaner than the norm for them. Note how thick the slide is at the nose where the recoil spring seats. Like the barrel lugs, this is more than twice the steel I’m used to seeing. I feel like I could drive railroad spikes with the P-10’s slide components.

Except for the striker assembly, maybe. Nothing wrong with it, but I’m sure CZ could have figured out how to include more blocks of steel here. Also a missed opportunity to go with a spade-shaped striker face so even spent brass looks GLOCKed.

Another characteristic found in fired GLOCK cases (especially from higher pressure rounds): the “GLOCK smile.” That’s a slight case bulge from the lack of full case support above the feed ramp. CZ chose not to emulate this, either. The P-10 C rocks a very well-supported chamber. It’s still generous in its diameter so as to function with utmost reliability — a match chamber it is not — but case support is as good as it gets.

You field strip and reassemble the P-10 C exactly as you would a…wait for it…GLOCK. CZ has molded a single recoil slot into the accessory rail. The rail itself is square rather than weirdly angled, but it’s still more reminiscent of the Austrian handgun than other CZs. While we’re on Teutonic topic [ED: still], the P-10 C fits most G19 holsters. It’s designed to function perfectly in LE/Mil retention holsters such as those produced by Safariland, making a PD’s [theoretical] switch from GLOCK to CZ that much easier.

The P-10 C’s steel magazines lock into the gun via the rectangular slot on the front face, up near the top. P-10 C mags will work in the P-07, but not yet the other way around. It looks like soon all the P-07/09/10 magazines will have the front rectangle cut and be compatible with each other. In other good news, MSRP on the P-10 C mags is a competitive $35 a pop.

Also worth noting: the P-10 C “auto forwards” — releasing the slide from lock upon firm insertion of a full magazine. Some shooters assume this is an error or a design flaw; it’s there on purpose.

Those mags find an easy home in the grip of the P-10. The frame has some decent magwell taper molded in, and the backstrap extends down to the level of the baseplate of an inserted magazine. Although you shouldn’t be missing your mag insertion, the backstrap acts as a backstop funnel for when you do. There’s also a lanyard hole.

The P-10 C sports a cool looking trigger shoe. It lacks silly anodized colors, but otherwise looks like an aftermarket hop-up part. I appreciate the fact that the safety blade depresses to almost flush with the front of the trigger — so close, CZ, so close. This avoids a pet peeve: when a trigger safety blade goes too far (e.g., Ruger American) or not far enough (e.g., GLOCK).

The P-10 C’s backstraps aren’t just slapped on top of the frame; they slide on a rail. A pin across the bottom locks your hand-size-appropriate backstrap of choice to the frame.

Grip that sucker and you’ll note that you can get your hand up nice and high on the gun — but not as high as on a GLOCK® brand GLOCK. The P-10’s frame is thicker under the back of the slide. In a massive deviation from CZ’s norm, the slide rides outside, not inside, the frame rails.

Not to be overlooked: the shape of the P-10 C’s “undercut” trigger guard. It’s wide, curved, and deep enough to fit a real person’s finger. It completes the confident and comfortable grip feel along with the mini cube texture that keeps hands velcroed in place.

While the ergonomics of the P-10 C’s grip shape don’t feel the same as a CZ 75’s — a gold standard — they’re still great. Everything comes to together perfectly: the light palm swells, curved backstrap, room under the slide, lack of finger grooves, and a grip angle that points naturally. There are guns I feel I’d have right on target even with my eyes closed. This is one of them.

For those who shoot eyes open, the P-10 C’s three-dot sights glow in the dark (after being charged by a light source). They’re also machined from steel, rather than popped-out of a plastic mold. Production versions of the P-10 C will use the same dovetail as the CZ Shadow 2, which opens up options for all sorts of adjustable competition sights, tall suppressor sights, and more.

The P-10 C’s trigger is a recipe for success. Keep much of the GLOCK’s creep but polish it smooth, drop the pull weight down to four-ish pounds, tweak the break so it’s cleaner and less “springy,” and include a fantastic reset that’s tactile, audible, and really short. This is a trigger that begs to be shot fast.

Challenge accepted! I plowed through the first couple magazines shooting way faster than I normally would. Pop-pop-pop-pop-pop, rapid fire, like I was late getting home. I don’t know much about aliens, but it’s safe to say that’s a dead Avatar dude right there.

This 26-ounce pistol shoots so flat with such great grip control and low muzzle rise that keeping track of the front sight is child’s play. Recoil impulse is soft, too.

Feeling good about accuracy potential, I plopped out a sandbag, slapped on a Lasermax Spartan, and used it to help me stay on target at 25 yards. Alchemist Z-Clean, which fires a 100 grain zinc projectile, kicked things off with a 1.9″, five-shot group.

Sellier & Bellot in 115 grain flavor, which I believe is CZ’s factory test ammo, turned in a 1.21″ group.

CapArms’ 147 grain subsonic offering was good for a 0.92″ spread.

And good ol’ 115 grain Blazer Brass effectively tied for first with a 0.91″ group, except with four of those shots sharing the same hole I simply must declare it the single-group accuracy winner. This is incredible accuracy from a 4.02″-barreled “duty” pistol.

I burned through a few hundred rounds for this review, ranging from the Z-Clean to the cheapest reloads on the market to the 147 grain extra shiny ammo from TTAG’s ammo sponsor, CapArms. Not one single hitch or hiccup of any sort. CZ obviously has a good reputation for reliability, and the P-10 C feels bulletproof.

My only functional gripes with the gun: the slide stop catches firmly and demands concerted force to use as a release, and the magazine release buttons want to be pushed straight inwards, rather than rolled down onto by the thumb. Both of these issues were apparent when paying close attention, but went entirely unnoticed when having fun on the range.

The CZ P-10 C carries like a slightly heavier (2.4 oz heavier, to be exact) G19. While the CZ’s frame is taller than the GLOCK’s, the difference shrinks to nearly nothing once you insert a magazine. The curved heel of the CZ and the more vertical grip angle may even make that grip heel corner ever-so-slightly less likely to print.

The first wave of production CZ P-10 Cs should be hitting dealer shelves around Christmas. This might even include some FDE variants (as above). After that, expect a .40 S&W model (holding 12+1 rounds) and suppressor-ready flavors.

Bottom line: It’s better than a GLOCK 19. It just is. In every last way it’s better. The CZ P-10 C shoots flatter, faster, and more accurately. It’s more comfortable, points more intuitively, grips better, has a better trigger, better sights, and beefier internals. While I could personally take or leave the fully ambi mag release and slide stop, it’s still a plus in the CZ’s column. Personally, I like my magazines better sans plastic overmold, too. And at an MSRP of $499, it’s less expensive by a hundred bucks.

I did not foresee replacing the G19 MOS on my hip. Least of all, actually, for the P-10 C, which visually underwhelmed me when I first saw it in photos and even in person. But its prowess on the range is undeniable. I shoot it better and more confidently than most other pistols, which is an experience that was also shared among other shooters. Plus who are we kidding, it’s still better looking than a GLOCK.

Reliability * * * * *
Strong, smooth and confident through 300 rounds of mixed ammo and no lubrication at all. I’m heartened by the beefy internals and the general simplicity of the action parts.

Concealed Carry * * *
This may be a “compact” gun (that’s what the “C” is for), but like the G19 it’s no single-stack pocket pistol.

Ergonomics * * * *
A marked improvement in every way over the benchmark, but still not CZ’s finest.

Customize This * * * *
There’s a decent, quality aftermarket for CZ parts and custom work. Sights are easy to swap on this gun and there are quite a few options. Considering it fits GLOCK G19/G17/G22/etc holsters, the market is practically limitless.

An important note: The pistol reviewed here is a pre-production pistol. CZ-USA stated that only two minor things will be changed between this gun and production guns: a slight change to the slide bevel, and the rear sight dovetail will be a Shadow 2 one instead of the P-07 style cut. It’s supposed to be identical otherwise.

To be thorough, though, a production one off the distribution racks will be arriving here later this month and another one will be arriving at Tyler Kee‘s FFL. I want that furry curmudgeon with all his Apex-tuned M&P experience to weigh in on this gun, too. That follow-up article will have Tyler’s thoughts plus trigger pull comparisons between the P-10 C and some other pistols, and if anything is materially different between the production guns and this gun then it will be made known here as well.

The 147 grain subsonic 9mm ammunition for this review was provided by CapArms. Their sponsorship of most of TTAG’s review-related ammo needs is a huge help, allowing us to review more guns and more gear more thoroughly.

Lead bullets work fine in Glocks and other polygonal barrels (fun fact: Glock is kind of a hybrid polygonal barrel, it’s not a true polygonal).

The myth stems from Glock’s manual where they say to not fire lead bullets through them. It’s theorized that they said this as a CYA as they were worried early on from “Glocksplosions” that happened mostly on .40 S&W Glocks before they strengthened the chamber.

The issue with lead is it creates a lot more fouling than jacketed bullets AND polygonal rifles create tighter seals around bullets than traditional rifling where excess gas can bleed through the grooves around the bullet. Those two things combined will lead to more back pressure than you care for, but that’s only if you plan on shooting hundreds if not thousands of rounds without ever so much as brushing out your barrel.

Really,. They look completely different to me. The slides look nothing alike. CZ has front serations and totally different shape than the plain Jane, Glock squared off slides. The grip angle is different and the ejection port looks totally different. To each his own I guess.

A Glock copy. How original. Price point is good though for what it does. Seeing how the internals are “beefier”, seeing that Glock doesn’t seem to have a problem with reliability for parts breaking, seems like they just made it heavier without any added benefit.

“Bottom line: the CZ P-10 C is better than a GLOCK 19. The P-10 C shoots flatter, faster and more accurately. It’s more comfortable, points more intuitively and grips better. It has a better trigger and sights, and beefier internals.”
Seems like a lot of opinion/shooter’s preference to be a “bottom line”.

…but except for the “points more intuitively” part, I actually don’t think there’s much opinion in what you quoted. I had instructors and shooting range employees/RSOs shoot this thing — three of whom EDC G19s like I do! — and they all IMMEDIATELY shot this gun faster and more accurately than their Glocks. Appreciably so. It shoots crazy flat. Two of the three said on the spot that I just cost them $425 and they’re shocked — shocked I tell you! — that they think they’re going to replace their EDCs with a P-10 C.

The original article didn’t state that multiple firearms instructors shot it as well and were in agreement with you. That makes it much more “bottom line” than a single shooter’s thoughts (no offense). FYI that would have been good info in the article!
I enjoyed the rest of the review.

Can we please stop calling every striker fired polymer gun that come out a Glock copy? Glock was not the first to make a striker fired polymer gun (that goes to the H&K VP70). What happens is these companies see a market (striker fired, polymer frame) and create a gun to fit it. They may have some Glocks sitting around to see how Glock managed to get it to work, but no more or less Glockes then S&W, Rugers, Walthers, H&Ks, etc.
Glock is not the genesis of the market, it was just the first commercially successful model. Yes, Glocks are good guns for some people, but your snobbish attitude that because you like the most bland, overly referenced pistol out there is really annoying.

Alien comes down from mars and inspects, handles, and shoots these two guns and I’m telling you, he chooses the CZ.

Dan I agree, and it’s certainly annoying. If there’s enough room in the market for every car company to have a sedan or an SUV or a minivan, there’s room for all the players to have a polymer framed, striker fired pistol. Nobody complains when Nissan comes out with a new Quest that “Toyota invented the minivan and it’s stupid that everybody keeps copying it.” And, as you point out, in this case it’s also factually wrong since HK was selling a polymer frame, striker fired gun for something like 12 years before Glock made its first. They may be the biggest, but that doesn’t mean they necessarily invented anything or have more claim to this format that other companies.

HOWEVER…if you ever could make a strong “they copied GLOCK” claim, the P-10 is up way high on that list. It’s specifically designed to replace the G19 for people (as it will for me). It fits the same holsters, has the same takedown process, has almost identical looking grip texture, and more. Hell, the gun’s slogan is “Improving on Perfection” so I think it’s clear that getting a piece of that sweet GLOCK market share was the target. I like the slogan, though, because it’s both deferential/humble by recognizing that GLOCK is the 800-lb gorilla here and conceding that this gun borrows a lot from the GLOCK design (I think CZ putting this right out front also takes some of the thunder away from the “they copied GLOCK” ‘haters’), while at the same time it’s confident and bragging that this gun is an improvement over the G.

If we can manage to get ourselves over the politics, though, and look at these two guns just as mechanical tools without worrying which came first or what logo is on either, I honestly have a hard time believing anybody would choose the GLOCK as the better gun. Aside from aftermarket parts support, I cannot think of one objective area in which the G outperforms the CZ (torture testing TBD). Boycott and whine all we want about who copied who, but the politics don’t affect the fact that one product is better than the other.

“Can we please stop calling every striker fired polymer gun that come out a Glock copy?”

No, we cannot, when most of them have MANY more similarities with current Glocks than the original Glock ever had or shared with the abortion that was the VP-70Z. It was an unlocked/straight-blowback action, with a fixed/non-tilting barrel, a fully-double-action SLIDING trigger action (with true double-strike capability) that required approximately 20 pounds of pressure to fire, a European-style heel magazine release, a double-column double-feed magazine (top round is only retained by one feed lip), and a rifle-style behind-the-trigger-cross-bolt safety like a friggin’ Ruger 10/22.

In comparison, many/most of the current Glock copies have the same or very similar: frame compositions, locking systems, firing pins, trigger actions, trigger pull weights, trigger pull motions, trigger safety mechanisms, magazine releases, disassembly procedures, magazines, etc. Heck, in at least one early case, some parts from the copy would interchange with the same parts on a Glock.

Call them what they are; copies. Improved copies? Maybe. Cheaper copies? Usually. Better copies? Probably not, but only time will tell.

I see that Jeremy was also answering the same comment at about the same time (I type slow). Some good points in his comment, as well, and as usual.

I guess Glock now knows how the original 1911 manufactures felt when all the “copy colts” entered the market. Well, maybe not, I don’t remember all the sour grapes from shooters when cheaper domestic and import 1911’s flooded the market at 1/2 (or less) the price of a Colt. The CZ is cheaper and better than the Glock, spend more for less if you like.

Nice to see a good competitor to the G19 which is my EDC. I’m a bit bigger guy and don’t have any trouble CC’ing the 19, but as far as concealability goes there are better options out there, and this doesn’t sound like one. Glad to hear it’s a solid shooter though.

There’s not many guns out there any more that I feel like I “need”, however I’ve always had an interest in the CZ P-07.

It does not bounce a bit more. We can argue theoretical physics all day, but this gun shoots softer and way flatter than a G19. Not even close. As mentioned in another comment, I had three other experienced shooters who EDC Glock 19s shoot this gun and all immediately saw that they could put more rounds on tighter target faster with this gun. Right out of the gate. All of us stated independently that it shoots flatter, softer, more controllable, more accurate, can really keep track of the front sight, etc etc.

Yes, it’s 2.4 oz heavier. I realize that’s ~10% of the unloaded weight but let’s not act like this puts it into 1911 territory. Obviously this weight is from copious (excessive) amounts of steel, though.

Width is more important to most when carrying, so you’re right to hammer on that. I don’t have a stat for it but I’ll measure the production one myself when it comes in. Keep in mind this gun fits in G19 holsters. Width of the slide and frame where it goes into a holster is effectively identical. If there is any difference at all between the width of the P-10 and a G19, it’ll be the width of the controls (P-10 being ambidextrous, it’s likely slightly wider across the control surfaces) or maybe because the P-10 has a slight palm swell. But again, they fit the same kydex holsters.

Thanks for the response, and you’ve (again) made some good points. I guess I’d like to see some high-speed drills against the clock (by shooters who are better/faster than I, and less biased) before I’ll believe the softer/flatter-shooter-than-a-G19 thing, as it seems to somewhat defy the reality of a higher bore line, but perhaps they’ve sprinkled-in some other magic to somehow make this work.

The “bore axis” being some sort of 100% determinant of follow up speed, is simply unfounded myth. Straight up muzzle rise is much more predictable, hence trainable for, than recoil driven muzzle movements in other directions. Which all guns will have, since not all recoil moves straight back (hand geometry, flesh density, slightly varying grip, joint angles….)

Compared to a very high bore axis, what a low one gives, is an increased ability to not lose the front sight during recoil. But once straight up and down recoil is low enough to not lose the front, followup speed is no longer improved by taking it further. In fact, contorting the frame and grip to some unrecognizably weird shape just to gain another fractional millimeter of “low bore axis”, will at some point turn out to be detrimental.

Currently own a P-07 Duty and have previously owned a P-01 (regrettably sold a few years ago….). Having said that, I am not a CZ fanboy ‘per se’ but they do shoot very nicely and just feel so right in the hand. If I was in the market for a striker fired pistol, this would be on the shortlist for sure.

Just picked up a 5.5″ .44 Magnum Ruger Redhawk this week though, so am not buying any more guns for a while!!

I’m definitely in danger of being a CZ fanboy, but have made a rational choice to carry a Walther PPQ as my carry gun. I have been following any news I can get my hands on about the P10c because I am very interested in testing it as a potential replacement for the PPQ.

It’s not unlike a PPQ that shoots significantly flatter and is visually less distracting from behind (the shape and height of the rear of the PPQ took me some getting used to). I was very accurate with the PPQ, but with this gun I can shoot faster with better control while maintaining equal accuracy.

I’ll graph them both when the production P-10 comes in, but you’re exactly right. More creep and reset travel than the PPQ. I think it’s closer to a Glock in total travel but it’s way smoother and crisper and the reset may be shorter. Trigger shoe feels nicer, too. Reset is great. Feels like a glock trigger with Ghost connector, but less springy.

Your locals obviously don’t know how to deal with guns if they don’t carry at least one CZ model and I personally would not do business with them. I like a good selection at the places I shop and not just glocks, smiths, and Rugers.

Just 8 months ago I bought my first ever gun, a Glock 19. The other gun I was considering was the full size all steel CZ-75 B. I hope CZ comes out with subcompact (Glock 26 size) and full size (Glock 17) versions of the P-10 so I can have an excuse to buy one soon!

My full sized is a CZ-75 and am looking to replace my conceal carry with a CZ. However, I am a fan of all metal frames and DA/SA triggers. Is there any chance you guys will do a review of the CZ 2017 RAMI sometime soon? I happen to find better quality reviews here in TTAG than other websites.

YES!!! I enjoy reading your reviews. I just picked up the SP01 a month ago and I love it. I am looking into adding something smaller for carrying. I have been all over the place from XDS/Shield, to a P320 and a P938, and I keep coming back to CZ. I am down to the P-10C, Rami, and P-07.

A request: Can you take some overlaid shots with the P-10 D and the Glock 19? It would be interesting to see the exact size comparison, especially in height. The CZ looks taller, but without a direct comparison, it’s hard to tell. CZ hasn’t published a height dimension.

It may be less size-efficient, but it seems to be more performance-efficient. The way I see it, it would only be “basically a Glock” if it didn’t perform significantly better or worse than a Glock in critically-important ways. Based on Jeremy’s review, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Yeah, Frank, that’s exactly it. “It’s a glock” doesn’t describe the gun because it absolutely doesn’t feel like or shoot like a glock.

“Same action, same cartridge, same capacity in a chunkier package, right?”

Are we really at the point now where we’re attributing the Browning short recoil tilting barrel design, the 9mm Luger cartridge, and a 15-round capacity to Glock? I assure you, Glock has no claim on these things and didn’t invent any of them. As for “size efficient,” the P-10 is 2.4 oz heavier but comparable otherwise (same length, same width, effectively a wash on height with a magazine installed). So knock it on weight, sure, but I’m not sure size is a valid argument. There are certainly many places in which CZ could reduce the amount of steel in this gun haha.

Not that they invented it, just that the GLOCK 19 seems to be the smallest/lightest package you can get that action, cartridge, and capacity in.

I’m impressed with that size efficiency, which I don’t think anyone will (or can) improve on. Now ergonomics is an entirely different beast, but I like to nerd out over the scientific things like efficiency. 🙂

I think there have been better pistols than a Glock 19 for a while. This new CZ definitly looks superlative. The Walther PPQ is the current top dog for striker fired. The CZ P-01, P-07 are better shooters than the Glock. I think what keeps selling Glock is the aftermarket support. Don’t get me wrong the G19 is a fine combat pistol but it has been surpassed years ago.

We’ll keep an eye out at SHOT Show, but I haven’t heard anything. Other than the leaked photos of the FBI G17M or whatever it was designated. I heard a rumor that the ambi slide stop was causing big problems (was the source of the recall) and they had to go back to the drawing board.

I’m super impressed with the TP9 series. Awesome guns even if they weren’t such a screaming deal. But they’re way bigger and clunkier. Taller grip frame and taller slide puts it in a whole ‘nother size category.

What is the commetariate’s general opinion on the Glock style takedown levers versus a pivoting/swiveling take down lever or pushing out a takedown pin?

I’m still ripping up my fingernails manipulating the Glock/S&W-SD9-VE style takedown system as compared to the simple and elegant flip of a VP9/P226/M&P lever. Even pushing out the takedown pin on a CZ75/1911 is less digit damaging than Glock’s emery board.

Is it cost reduction, a stronger system (hard to believe that sliding a block out of the way could be stronger than a beefy removable pin), or just following in Gaston’s perfumed footsteps?

You are slightly pulling the slide rearwards before pulling down on the disassembly levers, right? The slide needs to go like 1/8″ to 1/4″ rearwards — obviously not far enough to set the striker — to relieve pressure from the locking lug. Use your right hand to squeeze around the rear sight around the back of the slide and squeeze it rearwards ever so slightly, then your left hand to pull down on the levers. There’s almost no resistance on them if the slide is pulled slightly to the back.

Too bad that clunker isnt a real Glock, but just a cheezy Glock copy. Why buy a Glock clone when you can buy an authentic Perfection Glock? Its like buying a KIA K900 and pretending you bought a Mercedes S class. You can keep telling yourself you have as good as a Mercedes, but you really are just a deluded fool.

I EDC a G19. I carry a G20 when I’m in the woods. I understand the appeal of a GLOCK. …The P-10 C is going to replace my G19 — once it truly proves itself to be reliable enough — because it’s a better gun. I’m not married to a brand (I also carry a Beretta Nano when the G19 is too big and if I’m really short on space I carry a Taurus TCP). CZ isn’t exactly a fly-by-night newcomer, either; it was founded at the end of WWI (1918) and has been making handguns since at least as far back as WWII. Plus, if you think there are a lot of Glock clones out there, it falls short of how many CZ 75 clones there are. That gun is basically tied for the 1911 for most copied/cloned handgun design ever.

Since your glock is the best gun in the whole world does it have second strike capability like my Walther p99 or sar k2p on a light primer strike or did glock invent this second strike capability and sell it to Walther you think it’s the best gun because you don’t know any better it’s not 1994 things change ford made the first cars does that make them the best and everyone who builds cars copied ford makes about the same sense as your statement

When saying it is effectively cheaper by $100, Jeremy obviously doesn’t mean that Glock street prices are $100 over the CZ’s *MSRP* – which is how you got to Glock selling for $600. He’s talking street price vs predicted street price. The difference is $150 when comparing MSRPs.

At any rate, even looking at decent retail prices a Gen4 G19 is usually ~$539. Normal going rate on a CZ P-07 is about $449 and its MSRP ($510) is $11 higher than the P-10’s. So I think we’re still looking at ~$100 difference in average ‘street price.’

So roughly speaking, yes, it’s “a hundred bucks less.” Special law enforcement pricing notwithstanding (Glock Blue Label… I don’t know if CZ does something similar, but they do have a completely different law enforcement catalog).

Used CZs have a better resale than Glocks due to blue label and GSSF pricing. Even the plastic ones. I’ve bought several used and sold several. CZs demand a higher price point likely due to supply: everyone is selling glocks at this point to chase new Wonder guns on my local gun forums, police trades aside.

I’m a Glock guy, and I wasn’t offended either. To be fair, I’m also a Sig, Beretta, and (gasp!) Canik guy. I have many other brands in my safe as well, but they are more for collection’s sake than anything else.

I don’t get the hatred people spew when an opinion is stated about a firearm that may be better than one they own. I’ve never been a CZ guy, but the P10C may change that. I will definitely buy one when they become available and let my own experience be my guide.

I’m not kidding Canik and Sar arms make some quality firearms that are reasonably priced have both canik tpv2 and sar k2p and think both are better than glock for close to half the price my opinion not knocking glock but sig h&k Walther CZ all are higher on my list than glock so is S/W and Ruger

New Canik tpv2 cost 311 dollars out the door new Sar K2p cost 287 dollars out the doors have over 500 rounds out of both without a single problem accurate and reliable two great guns for the cost of one glock both have second strike capability unlike the glock

I’m interested, Right now I have 3 Glocks a g17, and 2g19’s, both the g19’s were bought new, one about two years ago (grey frame) and the other about 3 weeks ago (green frame) both had brass to the face ejection problems right out of the box, both needed a Apex extractor to mostly (not completely) fix the issue..as soon as one of these CZ’s shows up at my LGS, I’m probably going to buy one..I’m sick and tired of buying Glocks that need fixed right out of the box!

A .357 Sig version would catch my attention. CZ is a great firearms company that I have long admired. I expect that they did great work when they designed this pistol and that it will work as well as their other offerings. However, chambering the P10C (or any of their pistols) in a stronger cartridge would make it more desirable to me.

I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of CZ chambering .357 SIG. They are making a .40 S&W version of this pistol, though, so you could buy that, buy a separate 9mm barrel, and rechamber that barrel for .357 SIG. *Assuming* the 9mm barrel will fit in the .40 frame — and I’m willing to guess at this time that the external dimensions of both barrels are identical, but certainly could be wrong there — this would work. You’d have the correct size breech face, extractor, and magazine for the .357 SIG (because all of those measurements are identical to the .40 S&W) and then once the 9mm barrel was re-chambered for .357 S you’d be perfect there as well. There’s a ton of extra meat around the chamber of this barrel (one reason I’m guessing it’s the same externally as the .40 barrel).

Any knowledge on whether they will be producing a full sized version to compete with the G17? I read somewhere last month that the P-10 “C” was specific in naming to designate the compact version of the line (unlike the P07/P09 naming), and that if sales are robust, a full size may be put into production.

All that is missing is aftermarket sight support. I am not sure what sights (if any) will fit the Shadow 2 dovetails on the production model. I would be looking for the high visibility night sight variety. Something like the Ameriglo ProGlo’s, Trijicon HD’s (or better yet, the new Trijicon HD XR’s) and Truglo TFX Pro’s. I am sure XS sights will be available as they seem to have the most broad brand coverage. Fingers crossed.

Why do I get the sinking suspicion that the CZ P10c. Which fixes about 90%-95% of the “Grips that Military Ordnance Boards had with the Glock 19. At price that is $100 less than a Glock 19. May just be CZ’s idea to Compete for the M9 replacement contracts and CZ just decided to drop it on the commercial market While the politicians screw themselves? It will be interesting to see how the commercial market reacts to this Poly Striker, in a Glock saturated market.

There are 10-round mags for the P-07 so I’d bet they’ll become available for the P-10 as well. Worst case could be cutting a little rectangle in the ‘front strap’ of a 10-round P-07 mag so it locks into a P-10. Other than that notch, the mags are identical.

Could you put that lasermax spartan on your glock 19 and print some groups at 25 yards? I didn’t see accuracy testing on your glock 19 review and thought it would be interesting to have that side by side with the p10c.
Thanks!

Slightly delayed. CZ-USA thought production versions would be showing up around Christmas but the shipment they received were some factory testing guns that had gone through high round count and other torture testing. The first shipment of true production, new guns for sale is supposed to arrive at CZ-USA extremely soon now apparently (once that happens, it’ll probably be a couple addititonal weeks for them to get through the distribution channels).

I’m convinced that without the Glock grip angle, you’ll never find a pistol that gets your hand as high on the gun as the Glock. It’s a fair trade, though, as I don’t really care for the Glock grip angle. If they cut the plastic as high on the P10 as it is on the Glock, the grip would probably be awkward with the trigger being as low as it is.

It’s not actually the grip angle that makes the most difference; it’s the fact that Glock’s tang is cut about 1/4″ too high.

Almost every other pistol has a tang level with the top of the trigger opening. Glock’s backstrap extends ~1/4″ higher, with almost no tang to prevent slide bite. It almost seems like Glock based his original design on single handed target pistols and their features (steeper angle, high tang, thumb rest under slide stop, and finger grooves once they were added).

All of these ‘features’ are detrimental to a modern, thumbs forward grip, and must be trained around. Anyone touting low bore axis is blind to these more important problems, IMO.

I’ve owned several CZ firearms, rifles and pistols, including the 75B, the P-09 and the 452, and all are first-rate. I’ve since acquired a Walther PPQ M2, which I feel tops all the Wonder 9 strikers. A 5-star gun and close to perfect as you can get. I never could warm up to a Glock.

Jeremy said in initial review that the P10 would be “available around Christmas” and here it is mid-January and an internet search for availability comes up zip. My local gun shops don’t carry CZ’s and will special-order but if I could find on-line (are you listening, Buds?), I’d add to my cart. CZ says it’s shipping but the guns are nowhere to be found. If and when they finally hit the shelves, $425 would be my target price. I still think the PPQ can’t be beat but am eager to see if I’m wrong.

Most of us will agree that competition drives the evolutionary process which in turns creates improvements, whether we’re talking about guns, cars, laptops, beer, etc. Individuals or companies that ask “what if” and then implement change are necessary and welcome. It’s understandable for people to grumble that such and such is a “copy” and in doing so degrade the copy, but it’s all part of the process.

This review on the CZ P10 C, and many others since November-ish of 2016, says a lot about CZ and their new pistol and their desire to innovate where innovation is needed. It also says a lot about Glock. Notably- how they as a company have sat on their success and ignored the evolutionary process. Everything the P10 addresses, and the Walther PPQ for that matter, shows that Glock has been negligent in improving on the G17/19 for decades. (Changing texture on the frame year to year doesn’t count in my opinion.) Addressing the mushy trigger and Glock-block ergonomics was a no brainer…something Gaston and company should have fixed 10 years ago.

But here’s a big hurdle for CZ- government contracts. That’s where Glock is still king in the industry and will be for some time. Sale’s support, agency support, armorer support, parts support. That’s where Glock has the choke hold on the 9mm (and 45 ACP for that matter) audience. Granted, CZ is planning ahead with the fact that the specs on the P10 C match those on the G19. So you can use the same holsters. That’s good and all but using the same holster doesn’t trump…

…Glock reliability. This isn’t a hurdle necessarily for big companies signing contracts with other big companies. (Those people holding the pens and signing the bottom line are sometimes far removed from the product for which they are signing) It’s the hurdle CZ faces with all of the men and women, cops, service members, concealed carry citizens, gun lovers, etc., that have trusted their lives to the reliability that is synonymous with Glock. I’ll speak for myself…over the past two decades as a LEO patrol officer and SWAT member I’ve never had a weapon induced malfunction with one of my Glocks. Pick a model number, any model number. Tens of thousands of runds. It’s never happened.

You can be any XYZ company and bring a great gun to the market and display it, demonstrate it, T/E it, hype it, abuse it, do photo shoots, put videos on the web and do everything you can to prove that it’s the next best thing. And everything you say about it might actually be true and warranted. But you can not do that AND overcome a relationship based on reliability, performance, trust and dependability that millions of people have with their Glocks.

I’ve never fired a CZ weapon of any kind but if the above review is true it definitely deserves consideration. As a Glock user/owner I do not blindly submit to the idea that the G19 or 21 or any other Glock model is ‘Perfection’. I would welcome an improved trigger, better ergonomics and better muzzle control. You’d be stupid not to.

But this most recent iteration of the 9mm semiautomatic pistol by no means signals the end for the G19 or any other 9mm regardless of the brand. It just shows that change is necessary and change is the only constant in the world. And those that fail to adapt to change, well, we’ll see what happens to them.

Anyways, all this over a 9mm? When CZ makes a striker fired 45 ACP to go against the G21 then we can really talk about change.

Shot plenty of Glocks, sure great pistol. They are not for me. I’d buy a PPQ 45 before even considering a G21. The trigger on any Walther out of the box is better. I think they (glock) want to improve. All the aftermarket things that one buys after their purchase is crazy. When I goto my local ranges I love to rent different pistols. Before I purchase I like to shoot the pistol.

Glocks are extremely reliable, no doubt about it, but they do not have the market cornered on reliability anymore. That argument for Glock has grown old and stale. Most modern firearms made by reputable manufacturers (you know the ones ) are every bit as reliable and in many cases superior to Glock’s in many ways. If Glock thinks they can just keep feeding off of a reputation of reliability without making any real and substantial advancements in their handguns very soon then they will be left behind. People will eventually leave their Glock’s and go to what are obviously superior products. In fact, it is already happening.

Thanks for the review. So, two questions: how’s this compare with the M&P 2.0? Any word from anyone on when these are shipping? I heard “around Christmas” (2016) but know shipping dates are notoriously fickle. SHOT 2017 has come and gone but haven’t seen hide nor hair of one of these in local shops yet.

As far as I know, CZ-USA is still waiting on the first container of production guns from CZUB and expecting them very very soon (like 2 weeks ago haha). I think they’ll arrive on dealer shelves while it’s still Q1, which is CZ’s current stated timeline (“in Q1”).

There no doubt in my mind the CZ 10 is designed to go after Glock’s market. Even to the point they put the slide rails on the out side of the frame to make the gun easier to rack giving up stiffness and less recoil due to lower bore axis.

If the CZ 10 is as accurate as CZ-75 P-09 it resembles it will out shine Golck with the better trigger and 2 to 3 inch 100 yard groups using a machine rest and Red dot.

Before CZ does very well in Law enforcement they will need some one with some experience carrying that gun in the field to show there are no problems like the ones they had with the CZ-75 p-07 Duty.

As a 33 year lawman, with 25 years of Glock armor, and instructor experience, I always thought Glock was the end all for guns. My 1st generation 17 had 47,000 rounds through it before an internal spring break. Can’t beat that. Until (breaking my own heart) I was introduced to the M&P9.Out feels, out shoots the Glock in every way, and with 8000 rounds through it without a single malfunction, it IS as reliable. I was just about to purchase an M&P9c when by chance I read this review. Damn! Now I’m gonna have to do some research! Thank you Jeremy, a good read! Jack

My LGS has a P10C in the case starving for attention, 489 price tag, nobody’s interested. Been there a month. CZ’s don’t sell well in my neck of the woods (northern WI) despite their vaunted reputation elsewhere. I have a P-09, which earned 5 stars here and have to agree it’s a first-rate pistol.

I handled the P10 and wasn’t impressed. The trigger seemed gritty and the overall quality did not seem up to CZ’s high standards. The internals looked rough, like CZ was forced to get production models out to keep up with the demand. Lots of hype for this gun led to great expectations. So maybe a letdown was inevitable.

For 300 and change, the best gun for the money is the Canik TP9SA. It’s on a par with my P-09 in all aspects and 200 bucks cheaper.

So, I’m in the market for something that could serve double duty (if possible) as a fun gun to shoot and carry at times. Seems like the more I read and watch, the more confusing it gets. I liked the Canik TP9SF Elite I handled yesterday, but can’t stand those sights. They had a barely used Canik TP9SF for $250, I just know nothing about these guns and I doubt there’s much support for them. I thought the FN9C was the way to go, but that trigger felt as gritty as the old M&P, maybe it gets way better with break in? Then I read great reviews about the CZP10C, but not a gun hardly anyone buys, so if I try to resell it or trade it I’m screwed. I think the PPQ has a higher bore axis and would be too large to carry than the others. The Beretta APX felt nice, but again, a bit too large.