Time to dial it back guys.Seisatsu## Owner03/14/18 (Wed) 07:30:35No.2264[Reply]

A lot of you were really pissed off regarding Yume Nikki Dream Diary at first, for a number of sometimes violently conflicting reasons, and I stepped back and let that play out for a while, but I'm restoring some order now. It's time for /yndd/ to calm down a few notches. Take another look at the site-wide rules and guidelines, and expect those to apply to this board from now on.

Flaming, lame trolling attempts, personal attacks, derailment, and other rule-breaking behavior will be moderated here starting now. This is not /ot/. Take a deep breath and cool off, or I will hand out warnings and bans.

With the addition of the Snow World leading to the Pink Sea, is there any confirmation what happened to the original route? I'm curious what they did - if they put something new or left it exactly the same.

>>2426Some room accessible in the sewer only by freezing over the trench of water. I believe you take the path to the right when you first enter the sewer.

>>2428Maybe in the future. I'm hoping they'll be adding more, and that 2.0 wasn't just a one off appeasement for the bad steam reviewers. I like what they added, and the new stuff is less linear which is a massive improvement that they can learn from and utilize in future areas.

They just need to stop with the godawful platforming and "game" elements already holy shit. That one in the block world was ridiculous. They claim it's a hardware issue with keyboards, but at least they made it shorter it in the last update. Yet it still only worked for me when I used the numpad arrows of a random ancient keyboard I had lying around. Makes no sense. Wasn't even about the height, she just wouldn't grab onto the fucking ledge.

-So I never pulled this much from the original game, but in this reimagining I am pretty sure there are strong themes here of gender identity. I know many people have joked about this theory before, but I think there's actual evidence here. The only bathrooms Madotsuki ever enters in YYDD are men's restrooms. To get the secret ending (and to finish the game) you have to activate the symbol of Venus aka the symbol representing female, and then enter into a giant Venus symbol to enter. In the sketchbook there's two pictures you get of Madotsuki that are practically the same, but one with her eyes closed and one with them open. Most related pictures are next to each other in her Dream Diary, but for this one a picture of her eyes closed are next to KyuuKyuu-kun, and her picture of her eyes open is a few pages later next to the picture of the feminine mannequin. Literally eyes closed next to the most phallic character in the game, eyes opened next to the character most with a 'female form'. Add to this the area you get the flute in the mall looks even more like a clinic than the original, and to add to this O-Man's updated look looks a lot more like a doctor, there's character's alluding to genitalia-esque objects on the walls, and E-Man who you go to see in the clinic gives you the Flute. I don't know quite yet on this one if I'm reaching here, but all I'll say is I never got this theory in the original but have it pretty strongly in YNDD.

-I'm going to cover this more in the following points, but I think Madotsuki is a shut-off NEET not because she was raped (I don't think there's evidence for that) or even because of gender identity things. I think it's more straight forward, she experienced multiple scars over the years that made her more reclusive and eventually just shut off from the world. Rather than one traumatic event she experienced several over-time events that made her close off. This also ties in well to unlocking the final door by re-experiencing everything and then when you go out of your apartment having to survive your inner fears (that shadow thing) to get the happy ending.

-Monoko is dead. In the original game the stop/start light changing her form was a bit suspicious and the specifics of the differences, but this remake somewhat spells it out where you can reach her by going to the world end event related to death to find her, and when we see her Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Gender dysphoria *creates* mental health problems, such as depression and anxiety, it's by no means a mental health disorder on its own and that's been proven if you read any given paper on the fucking subject instead of screaming soy and sjw. People that transition with the help of hormones report lowered depression and the suicide rate goes down as a result.

>>2404How old are you? Did you ever hear about the pride riots in the 80s? Started by a trans woman? This shit is older than 2008, the scientific progress and history was destroyed by the nazi's in germany, and we're just now seeing it become more socially acceptable again. Hell, trans people have existed since civilization has existed.

And seriously? Soy? Are you actually dumb enough to believe that meme, or do you just beg daddy Paul Joseph Watson to force feed you more brainforce+ all the time.

>>2419Soyboy doesn't specifically refer to soy itself you mongoloid. It refers to someone who has his hormonal system disrupted due to nutrition and xenoestrogens from non-food sources. And to people who were born with these hormonal disorders.

The game is currently on sale. It inconsistently shows up as 9.99 or 7.99, but if you were interested in playing it before but didn't want to spend 19.99, here's your chance to get it cheaper. I'm still kind of in the middle with this game. It's not horrible but not great, either. 7.99 seems fair.

>>1979The game uses color and shape in interesting ways that create surreal visuals. The childish drawings imply some connection to Mado's mindset. How much the visuals say about Mado is up to interpretation, but as you play yn, you naturally contemplate this. The use of music also helps to create a very wide array of atmospheres and emotional landscapes. It's strangeness perfectly fits with the visuals. Some environments are heartwarming and cozy while others feel cold and sterile and others feel menacing or foreboding. This is done through sound and visuals. The sheer variety and constant transition from one feeling to the next keeps you on your toes constantly. You don't know what will be thrown at you next. The npcs both have personality and comes off as lifeless, which makes you simultaneously feel alone and like some alien presence is watching you. This constant feeling of isolation sometimes makes you feel lonely and other times makes you feel dread. This isolation also mirrors Mado's isolation in the real world. The vastness of the dreamworld contrasts with the claustrophobia of the real world in a captivating way that sticks with you. The interactivity is limited, but feels emotionally significant because of the roller coaster of emotions that this game puts you on. Killing some random npc is actually a bit sicking, which is only intensified by the scream sound effect. The heavy use of sound effects is also bizarre and adds another layer to the atmosphere. This game stimulates your visual and auditory senses constantly and pull you into its world through this.

Wine typically works fine for Unity games, and I keep hearing this is supposedly a Unity game, so use Wine, I guess.Step 1. Install Wine.Step 2. Install Steam into Wine.Step 3. Get game via Mac Steam, because Steam's web browser is allergic to Wine.Step 4. Install game into Steam on Wine.Step 5. If game fails to run, refund while you still can?

A bit off topic but what happened to a thread made on this board around 3 hours ago about some dudes discussing yndd best value being the ost? Someone posted yndd’s ost there and I wanted to download it.

In relation to this thread, I still haven’t played it. 20€ is a lot for a fangame since I can get more promising games for less.

- Bugs, glitches, lack of optimisation. This is mostly fixed now, but the release was unplayable.

- Too much 2spooky generic horror tropes. I understand why they decided to put more emphasis on the horror elements with this new kind of gameplay, but aside of what comes from the original game, it's the wrong kind of horror. Where the original had surreal Lynchian stuff as well as body⁄sexual horror motifs that gave the impression they would fit in a Japanese, Mesoamerican or other circumpacific folklore story, this has Silent Hill schools, slaughterhouses and evil beacons. And that's without even counting the mannequins and that Slenderman-looking shit, which felt like they were randomly inserted from some other game.

- Platforming and action sequences are an abomination.

- Too short, too linear, too many invisible walls. A little bit of free roaming sections in which you could just walk around and maybe see a thing or two without gaining anything would be nice.

- Visuals, in the dream worlds at least, could really benefit from a bit of stylisation and a bit less realism.

+⁄- The game has a lot of nostalgia targeting packed in. Plenty of Yume Nikki stuff in it consisted of what was basically cameos and Easter eggs (Monoko, FACE, the secret "ending", Aztec Rave Monkey, etc.). On the one hand, the game would be less enjoyable for me if those things weren't present, on the other, I think the way they were included was somewhat unsatisfying. Feels like plain fanservice, although I'm almost sure this is not the case (see below).

Mark my words, YN is going to be destroyed beyond redemption with this new game.

They have basically made a compendium of the most disgusting sexualizing artwork (miniskirt) and theories (HURR EVERYTHINK IS SEXUUL, SHE WUZ RAPED SEE? SHE'S CRYING IN FRONT OF KEEUKEEUKUN THIS MEANS SHE WUZ RAPED AND EVRYTHINK IS BCUZ OF THAT). And hamfisted bullying shit (just wait until you see the school scenario, 5 gold coins say it's going to be a guilt trip about how madotsuki was bullied by birdfaced girls). This is going to be youtuber bait, it's reputation tarnished. Ironic weebs are going to laugh at the whole concept while getting youtube money making facial reactions to "le epic weird weeb game".

This game has so many things wrong that the question is, what did they get right? This game is supposed to be about exploration, the player must decide by himself how is he feeling about it, the player must not have some tard theories hamfisted onto him by showing madotsuki cry or something like that.>b-but muh normies won't figure things out without helpI don't give a fuck, the original game was emotion-less, madotsuki's facial expression didn't change, she didn't cry. This way you decided what zones and enviroments wanted to convey or meant. This is tainting and sullying the original game and madotsuki herself, we don't know why madotsuki refused to get out of her room or why she jumped off her balcony, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE, we shouldn't know. (And no, she wasn't raped, stop projecting your shitty fetishes and freudian fraud imagery onto madotsuki, you disgusting cuck).

Even thought I used some strong language I hope this thread doesn't get deleted because of it. It's just how I feel about this and I'd like to see how people here feel about this too.

>>1453just wait a bit for the steam to blow overyes, /yndd/ is /v/ central right now (if you don't believe this, search for ubuu/yn on /v/ archives, theres plenty of direct links here) for now, but i believe they will come and go at least after the hype has died down

I had some high hopes for it, and I think it could have been better. I don't actually criticize Dream Diary for any of those reasons though, I criticize it for being too linear. Nothing about Yume Nikki should be linear. As far as ruining the community… well, who cares? The new game doesn't make the old one worse, and a bad community can't make you not enjoy it.