Still not sure how I feel about this. It seems that both options have so many advantages and disadvantages, it's pointless trying to take one side or another (unless you're personally drastically affected by it). I'm a pretty big believer in 'if it's not broken don't fix it.' Our current system works, and I'd really rather not have another trillion dollars added to the national debt for something that probably works only just as well as its alternative.

I dunno, get mad at me, but I don't think it's worth the effort and resources required.

Still not sure how I feel about this. It seems that both options have so many advantages and disadvantages, it's pointless trying to take one side or another (unless you're personally drastically affected by it). I'm a pretty big believer in 'if it's not broken don't fix it.' Our current system works, and I'd really rather not have another trillion dollars added to the national debt for something that probably works only just as well as its alternative.

I dunno, get mad at me, but I don't think it's worth the effort and resources required.

Your current system works? Are you fucking kidding me?
You're the laughingstock of the civilized world when it comes to healthcare.

You know, if they didn't mandate that even small business (i.e. less than 25-50 employees, somewhere in that range) it would not be so bad. My mom who runs her own accounting firm, as in she is the only person, HAS to insure herself or be penalized something along the lines of $4200 a year (it is $4200 per employee). I am also sure that, while we may be the "laughingstock" of the civilized world in terms of health care, that most people honestly don't care because up until a year ago we had it soo very much better than all the EU combined.

You know, if they didn't mandate that even small business (i.e. less than 25-50 employees, somewhere in that range) it would not be so bad. My mom who runs her own accounting firm, as in she is the only person, HAS to insure herself or be penalized something along the lines of $4200 a year (it is $4200 per employee). I am also sure that, while we may be the "laughingstock" of the civilized world in terms of health care, that most people honestly don't care because up until a year ago we had it soo very much better than all the EU combined.

This bill fucking sucks. There won't be any reform without a public option or a complete national healthcare plan. But I want it to pass anyways, if nothing happens nothing will ever change at all in the next 20 years.

Does it not bother you that we let companies compete for profit over our very livelihood?

This bill fucking sucks. There won't be any reform without a public option or a complete national healthcare plan. But I want it to pass anyways, if nothing happens nothing will ever change at all in the next 20 years.

Does it not bother you that we let companies compete for profit over our very livelihood?

This article was not biased in any sense at all. I appreciate that very much. However, as much as liberals contend this is a humanitarian and smart plan. This will just make our debt skyrocket to the point were we will never be able to pay this off.

This article was not biased in any sense at all. I appreciate that very much. However, as much as liberals contend this is a humanitarian and smart plan. This will just make our debt skyrocket to the point were we will never be able to pay this off.

If the plan is to take our avaible resources at the moment ,and attempt to distribute them through a free environment we're bound to have some issues. My issue towards free health care is that people such as druggies will abuse it in a complete backwards look for what it is. The most rational concept would be to limit each person to a certain limit per-year ,and operate it so that if they need more it's own their own bill. That may sound a little screwed up to point ,but by freely out distributing any form of product we'll have an issue of people abusing it. Not only that we still don't have a full out-source for where the money needed for this is coming from.

If the plan is to take our avaible resources at the moment ,and attempt to distribute them through a free environment we're bound to have some issues. My issue towards free health care is that people such as druggies will abuse it in a complete backwards look for what it is. The most rational concept would be to limit each person to a certain limit per-year ,and operate it so that if they need more it's own their own bill. That may sound a little screwed up to point ,but by freely out distributing any form of product we'll have an issue of people abusing it. Not only that we still don't have a full out-source for where the money needed for this is coming from.

Too be honest I completely said,"Fuck this shit" awhile ago. Any forums which regarded the health care plan I've usually kept my head out of. The only reason I see any form of problems with the health care plan is that it seems... To out there? We're in debt. Shouldn't that be our first hand concern?

Too be honest I completely said,"Fuck this shit" awhile ago. Any forums which regarded the health care plan I've usually kept my head out of. The only reason I see any form of problems with the health care plan is that it seems... To out there? We're in debt. Shouldn't that be our first hand concern?

I understand if you haven't been paying attention, but we've technically been in debt since World War 2. We were in more debt after Regan than anything. No one cared about this when going to war with Iraq.

I don't understand how people think our debt is more important than saving lives.

I understand if you haven't been paying attention, but we've technically been in debt since World War 2. We were in more debt after Regan than anything. No one cared about this when going to war with Iraq.

I don't understand how people think our debt is more important than saving lives.

Sorta a rule of thumb if you think about it. If you have no debt... You can save more lives.

Sorta a rule of thumb if you think about it. If you have no debt... You can save more lives.

Not really. The US Gov isn't like SimCity, when you're out of money it does not mean you don't have money. Weird right? Thank Reagan. I'm not a fan of debt either but the cost of this bill is nothing compared to our debt, in fact it's guessed to pay for itself in expenditure cutbacks.

This article was not biased in any sense at all. I appreciate that very much. However, as much as liberals contend this is a humanitarian and smart plan. This will just make our debt skyrocket to the point were we will never be able to pay this off.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you’re republican or democrat, it matters in what you believe in.

Dennis Kucinich for example: After months of saying he was against the health care bill, U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Cleveland announced last week that he will vote yes.

This is misleading. It makes it sound like Kucinich is a Republican or something.

Kucinich was threatening to vote "no" because he's an ultra-lefty who hates the fact that you took most of the stuff he wanted (e.g. a PUBLIC OPTION) out of the bill in order to compromise with the Republicans. He's only agreeing to vote for it now because he figures "it's better than nothing."