tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post413356139041240195..comments2015-07-22T01:12:07.508-04:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Where is Jesus's Diary? Information As A Product, Not A ByproductDr. Hector Avaloshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10840869326406664177noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-77670232607484395472009-05-17T01:09:00.000-04:002009-05-17T01:09:00.000-04:00harvey,
one more thing,
the easy rejoinder to Adam...harvey,<br />one more thing,<br />the easy rejoinder to Adam for an atheist is <br /><br />"some liberal christian denominations believe Adam was metaphorical, which means they don't think he really existed either. Why should I believe adam really existed if some Christians don't?"Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-24827913700204939412009-05-17T01:01:00.000-04:002009-05-17T01:01:00.000-04:00Harvey,
You hail absence of fossil evidence for Ad...Harvey,<br /><B><I>You hail absence of fossil evidence for Adam as proof that Adam didn't exist.</I></B><BR>no I don't. <br />Please find where I say that and cut and paste it into your comments<br /><br />Your fight over Adam is not as much with me as with the fields of Biology and Paleontology. if there were an adam, he wasn't as he was described in the bible. That takes a hit in <br /><br />INTRINSIC <br />- Free-of-Error (a dimension of Accuracy)<br /> - Believability<br /> - Reputation <br /><br />REPRESENTATIONAL <br />- Interpretability<br /> - Ease of understanding <br />- Consistent representation <br /><br />CONTEXTUAL <br />- Relevancy <br />- Value-added <br />- Timeliness<br /> - Completeness <br /><br />Just to give you some perspective, information that takes hits in the categories of Intrinsic and representational is pretty much dead in the water. The user can give it all the value they feel it deserves, but without high marks in those areas, its not warranted.<br /><br /><B><I>Does the text even attempt to address such questions? The obvious answer is that it DOESN'T. So how can it be flawed when it doesn't reconcile such information in any manner?</I></B><BR>I didn't say that either, I said it was of poor quality because it takes hits some of the dimensions listed above.<br /><br />In some of my other articles liked above I detail some of the intrinsic flaws in scripture, specifically with the phrase with the "son of man" and difference in how it was used in the old and new testament.<br /><br /><B><I>In conjunction with this, there are a lot of things I'd like to know about how my water and electric rates are calculated because I think I should pay less per month on my bill, but that doesn't make the water and electric company FLAWED because I don't know the answers to my questions right away.</I></B><BR>you're right, <br />you have to investigate it. Ask questions about it such as <br /><br />"Where did this information come from?"<br />"Why should I believe this information?"<br /><br />and go from there. You'll find that the quality of information about your bills is higher than scripture by a long shot. <br /><br />You are free to not believe the utility companies records, and refuse to pay, but then you have to convince a third party that you are right. That takes evidence and is analogous to where we are right now with scripture.<br /><br />after 4000 years God has only managed to convince 33% of the world. <br /><br />On the other hand, microsoft has managed to convince enough people that windows is the best operating system to get up to 95% buy in.<br /><br />Not many people doubt that the sun would melt any spaceships that tried to land on it. Not because they've ever tried it, but inference from sound and reliable information.<br /><br />The world was hypothesized to be round around 240 BCE by Eratosthenes. Over time we verified it.<br /><br />Adam was hypothesized to exist from scripture. Over time it has been disconfirmed, and not by me. Your argument is not we me over Adam.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-10879284204048844302009-05-16T15:23:00.000-04:002009-05-16T15:23:00.000-04:00hi harvey,
check back later please.hi harvey,<br />check back later please.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86874745339544759722009-05-16T13:38:00.000-04:002009-05-16T13:38:00.000-04:00Lee,
You said this in response to my asking you f...Lee,<br /><br />You said this in response to my asking you for the fossil of the first life form: <I>"as usual you're busily creating your straw men to play with"</I>Not even close to a "strawman" Lee. You hail absence of fossil evidence for Adam as proof that Adam didn't exist. If there is no fossilized evidence for the first being that ever lived then IT didn't exist either(at least under your line of reasoning) So produce the archaeological evidence of first life SINCE you place such a depth into archaeological evidence. So that question remains open and you should answer it based on your IDQ theory.<br /><br />Secondly, I'll ask once again, where is the time frame for the Genesis account? Pt1- Was it a literal 144 hours of creation or what? If so, you're interpreting the text as a fundy. Pt. 2- What dates in history does Genesis account for, especially before the expulsion from the garden?...Are the years of Adam (which are more than 100) pre or post expullsion years and are those years a literal 364 day year? <br /><br />Does the text even attempt to address such questions? <br /><br />The obvious answer is that it DOESN'T. So how can it be flawed when it doesn't reconcile such information in any manner? In conjunction with this, there are a lot of things I'd like to know about how my water and electric rates are calculated because I think I should pay less per month on my bill, but that doesn't make the water and electric company FLAWED because I don't know the answers to my questions right away. Besides I may not even understand it IF I had all the necessary info, but my lack of knowledge doesn't make them flawed...<br /><br />Lee, your IDQ posts and line of reasoning is weak this post notwithstanding.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-70542722706521518182009-05-16T11:12:00.000-04:002009-05-16T11:12:00.000-04:00Jesus don't need no space ship. Right, he could do...Jesus don't need no space ship. Right, he could do that spiritual thing; travel at the speed of thought, anywhere in the Universe. He probably does do this. Thats how he can be everywhere at the same time. In spirit. The thing is that while his spirit is elsewhere, his body has got to be somewhere; probably in a trance, meditating, communicating telepathically as well as holographically. But that body has got to be somewhere in the material world. The Gospel writers went to great pains to let us know that this resurrected body was part of the physical world.<br /><br />As to the powers of this super body, you may be right. He might need a space ship. It depends on the extent of his super powers. We know he can fly, and walk through walls. I contend that this body not only can fly but can fly at nearly the speed of light. Think Superman. Superman don't need no stinking space ship.nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6009208173875358912009-05-16T00:43:00.000-04:002009-05-16T00:43:00.000-04:00nomad,
It probably take Jesus, even traveling at t...nomad,<br /><B><I>It probably take Jesus, even traveling at the speed of light, hundreds, perhaps thousands of years to make the journey.</I></B><BR>okay, I'll bite, this looks fun.<br /><br />Not possible because <br />He would have needed a spaceship. If he has to play by the rules and use the laws of physics, then he would need a spaceship.<br /><br />otherwise, he could have used his super-godly-powers to just instantly transport himself and take on a form like the inhabitants.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82666431734920059582009-05-16T00:26:00.000-04:002009-05-16T00:26:00.000-04:00Hi Harvey,
Lee you're nuts as always in this fiasc...Hi Harvey,<br /><B><I>Lee you're nuts as always in this fiasco that you think makes sense...</I></B><BR>as usual you are the sobering voice of reason.<br /><br /><B><I>let me ask you...what is the FIRST animal or whatever that you think came about through abiogenesis?</I></B><BR>as usual you're busily creating your straw men to play with<br /><br /><B><I>Where is the time line? Are you superimposing your fundamentalist interpretation of yom on the genesis text? Sounds like it. </I></B><BR>no, just extrapolating from the text. For example I'm assuming that Adam would have had a life span of under 100yrs. For example, that prohibits a 40,000 year old son from building a town. Not everyone needs someone to tell them what a text means, some of us can make logical inferences from them based on what we already know. I could use that time line, Augustines timeline, or Ussher, or any of the timelines endorsed by the following competing hypotheses. Take your pick<br /><br />Young Earth creationism<br /><br /> Modern geocentrism<br /><br /> Omphalos hypothesis<br /><br /> Creation science<br /><br /> Old Earth creationism<br /><br />Old-Earth creationism itself comes in at least four types:<br /><br /> Gap creationism<br /><br /> Day-age creationism<br /><br /> Progressive creationism<br /><br /> Neo-Creationism<br /><br />Intelligent design (ID) <br /><br />None of them are consistent with established knowledge.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-87707955759821112182009-05-15T19:12:00.000-04:002009-05-15T19:12:00.000-04:00Lee,
I'm sorry for the repeated posts but you als...Lee,<br /><br />I'm sorry for the repeated posts but you also said this in response to Robin which offered accurate information,<br /><br /><I>exceed biblical timelines</I>Where is the biblical time line Lee? Are you a Fundy? You believe and restrict vccreation to a literal 144 hours?<br /><br />Where is the time line? Are you superimposing your fundamentalist interpretation of <I>yom</I> on the genesis text? Sounds like it. <br /><br />You mae the same mistake as "yo boy" Ehrman, who can't see past his fundamentally crooked nose on his face.<br /><br />What's the time restriction of the Genesis account?District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-5123926700872490212009-05-15T19:05:00.000-04:002009-05-15T19:05:00.000-04:00Stevie L,
God is yet getting the point across IN ...Stevie L,<br /><br />God is yet getting the point across IN SPITE OF flawed human charecter and personality...<br /><br />You would agree that we are flawed individuals right? Christians readily agree. God is YET able to use those flaws and imperfections including bad choices to allow his truth to be set forth...<br /><br />Example...every atheist here would like the bible to stop being preached or at the very least for it's God to stop being worshipped right? Even in that the bible is being preached by those of us who believe it. that's being done right in your face and under your nose...there's flaw all around but yet the message gets out that Jesus is Lord and we debate and discuss how, when and why etc...What better system can anyone ask for...even when it's not received it's communicated.<br /><br />What does that do? Provides no excuses for anyone that hears...I'm not worried about the 70 % that Lee claims don't hear...God will take care and has taken care of all that for all of humanity...I'm worried about my responsibility to the 30% that do hear...<br /><br />Ya Hear me??? I'll bet that you didn't even know that you're a 30%r.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50278542147024642472009-05-15T18:55:00.000-04:002009-05-15T18:55:00.000-04:00Lee,
you often ask this, Did adam exist? then the...Lee,<br /><br />you often ask this, <I>Did adam exist?</I> then the next thing is to ask for his fossil record right?<br /><br />let me ask you...what is the FIRST animal or whatever that you think came about through abiogenesis?<br /><br />Where is it's fossil???<br /><br />Failure to produce it Lee may debunk your whole theory of evolution through common descent so please be careful...Please let us know that though. i would liek to hear it Mr. IDQ Flaw Man.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-44917981377250724242009-05-15T18:50:00.000-04:002009-05-15T18:50:00.000-04:00Lee you're nuts as always in this fiasco that you ...Lee you're nuts as always in this fiasco that you think makes sense...<br /><br />later man!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-87498031274954713762009-05-15T16:44:00.000-04:002009-05-15T16:44:00.000-04:00My theory, like most biblical theories, is based o...My theory, like most biblical theories, is based on one verse of the Bible, John 10:16<br /><br />...other sheep I have...not of this fold (flock); them also I must bring...<br /><br />Gentiles, right? No. He was talking about the other seed colonies. Life on other planets. He's got to go to these too; preach for three and a half years, perhaps perform the ritual sacrifice. How many other flocks are there? One? Two? Ten? I don't know. The point is that the Universe is vast, even by God's standards. And the nearest inhabited planet is far away. Tens perhaps hundreds of light years away. It probably take Jesus, even traveling at the speed of light, hundreds, perhaps thousands of years to make the journey. So that's my theory of where the body is.nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53757333268562944332009-05-15T14:53:00.000-04:002009-05-15T14:53:00.000-04:00The last time anyone saw the body of Jesus it was ...The last time anyone saw the body of Jesus it was rising into the sky. Obviously, this mysterious yet physical body had the power to fly. (Along with other abilities, like walking through walls.) So I am going to ascribe it with a maximum speed, not to exceed the fastest known speed, the speed of light. Not that Jesus could actually fly that fast, but that's the absolute outside limit. A physical body traveling any faster would certainly transform into something non-physical, something even beyond energy. None of this warp speed crap...but I digress...nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-60429317288507640822009-05-15T13:16:00.000-04:002009-05-15T13:16:00.000-04:00edson,
For the same reason I trust John.nice circu...edson,<br /><B><I>For the same reason I trust John.</I></B><BR>nice circular answer.<br />so why do you trust John? and which one are you talking about? I presume you can pinpoint the proper "john" that is supposedly the author of revelations, or you shouldn't be so bold or were you referring to something else?Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-69333782784958289842009-05-15T13:10:00.000-04:002009-05-15T13:10:00.000-04:00edson,
You need to explain those established facts...edson,<br /><B><I>You need to explain those established facts you claim to know, and perhaps we can proceed from there.</I></B><BR>Do you want me to reproduce the whole of paleontology here. Give me a minute...<br /><br />seriously,<br />It goes like this,<br />Jesus references adam,<br />paul reference adam,<br />Paul says that sin entered into the world through the disobedience of Adam. Jesus was sent as the perfect sacrifice for the reconciliation of our sins.<br />"rom.5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. "<br /><br />According to Paulianity, it was necessary for jesus to be a human sacrifice to appease God because Adam disobeyed God.<br /><br />This is a classic cognitive dissonance rationalization to explain away the surprising way their messiah got the thrashin of his christ.<br /><br />Since there was no adam, there was no disobedience of God for sin to enter the world. So if sin entered into the world, it did it some other way. Obviously it was built into us.<br />So paul was wrong about Adam, and about how sin got into the world.<br /><br />So he must have been wrong about the meaning of Jesus death.<br /><br />Jesus couldn't have been God <br />1. because he never said he was, it was only interpreted that way using some ambiguous references that Jews use to describe their relationship to God. God lives in them and they show him to the world by their actions, yada, yada,<br />2. Jesus referenced adam. God would know that adam didn't exist and that human origins did not proceed as laid out in scripture.<br /><br />all other previous references to virgin births are considered to be mythological even by christians, so unless there is some compelling evidence to disconfirm this one as being a myth, it is probably a myth too.<br /><br />Thats what I'm talkin bout, uh huh.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-37934795545849357282009-05-15T12:50:00.000-04:002009-05-15T12:50:00.000-04:00Hi Steve,
Nice to meet you.
I like to keep it res...Hi Steve,<br />Nice to meet you.<br /><br />I like to keep it respectful but lighthearted. I get 'mocky' and flippant sometimes but you won't see me calling anyone "stupid". When I get to that point, I go into "nurturing" mode.<br />;-)Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-49619546197915028452009-05-15T11:37:00.000-04:002009-05-15T11:37:00.000-04:00I have read these comments with great interest and...I have read these comments with great interest and it is very gratifying to see common decency being practiced and points being debated in a reasonable fashion without degenerating into personal mud slinging. My compliments to the participants<br /><br />My thoughts are very basic and are prompted by agreement with the original blog post. <br />If the bible is inerrant and supposedly the true word of God, why are there scores of different denominations of christianity, all with different interpretations of scripture? Why does Judaism still exist, if God has supplanted it with the word of his son?<br />Why has God been increasingly distancing himself from humanity in the way he interacts with us?<br />1. Old testament: God talks directly to Abraham and others<br />2. New Testament: God doesn't speak directly but communicates through his son<br />3. Mohammed receives the Quran from an angel, not from God directly or even from his son<br /><br />If God is trying to get a message across, he's not doing it very effectively<br /><br />Picking up on a point where it is stated that God wants a kingdom in which he is king, not a dictator; Why? Surely if God wants that to be the case, then he can cause it to be so. So why give man free will and then expect him to fall in line with badly worded and mistake strewn scripture? <br /><br />In general though, I struggle to find much truth, accuracy or consistency in scripture and find it very difficult to understand why intelligent people place such blind acceptance in such stories<br /><br />I imagine wisful thinking can be a lot more powerful than I give it credit forSteve Lorimerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07905994085307042044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-97043857103915882009-05-15T11:19:00.000-04:002009-05-15T11:19:00.000-04:00Lee,
"the most powerful force in the universe is ...Lee,<br /><br />"the most powerful force in the universe is worried about being the king over a bunch of bags of bones like us....."<br /><br />I dont follow your reasoning. God is God, for a second he can wipe the earth out of the universe but he chose to serve the people he created. They are illogical to you but they make sense to me, even a lot.<br /><br />"Where did Paul get his information from?"<br /><br />Without Paul, still the message is the same. I dont why Paul is much of a problem to you. Why not Peter, James or Matthew?<br /><br />"Why do you trust Paul?"<br /><br />For the same reason I trust John.<br /><br />"Did Adam exist"<br /><br />It is irrelevant here. Did Jesus exist? Did Julius Ceaser exist?<br /><br />"How and where does it fit with established knowledge?"<br /><br />May be you should elaborate more what do those established knowledge are.<br /><br />"Does it contradict any established knowledge?"<br /><br />You need to explain those established facts you claim to know, and perhaps we can proceed from there.edsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06266606853107791571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34636369702558460722009-05-15T10:51:00.000-04:002009-05-15T10:51:00.000-04:00Nomad,
Jesus disintegrated into little tiny molecu...Nomad,<br />Jesus disintegrated into little tiny molecules that we breath in and out occasionally.<br /><br />just kidding.<br /><br />no really, <br />he recombines in the mouths of catholics at communion and then gets digested.<br /><br />oooh, what was that, did somebody step on a duck?Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-58941597245880130702009-05-15T10:46:00.000-04:002009-05-15T10:46:00.000-04:00edson,
there is a point to Christianity, even a lo...edson,<br /><B><I>there is a point to Christianity, even a logical one. God wants a Kingdom where he himself will be a King. </I></B><BR>er...<br />the most powerful force in the universe is worried about being the king over a bunch of bags of bones like us.....<br />Logical....riiiiiight.<br />um....Is he going to be more of a king than he is already? If so then he's missing something so he's not perfect.<br /><br />and now we've come full circle,<br />How do you know this?<br /><br />From the demonstrably poor information called biblical scripture.<br /><br />- Where did Paul get his information from?<br />- Who or what corroborates it? <br />- Why do you trust Paul?<br />- Did adam exist?<br />Paul thought so, so much so that he bet the farm on it.<br /><br />- Who wrote any given scripture besides those known to be authored by Paul?<br />- How do you know?<br />- Where did the author get his information?<br />- What are the authors credentials?<br />- Was the author in a position to know?<br />- If he was not in a position to know, was his source in a position to know?<br />- Is the information first hand, second hand, third hand, etc?<br />- Who or what corroborates it?<br />- How many iterations did it go through before it got recorded?<br />- What are the differences in any pre-existing versions?<br />- How do you verify any of it?<br />- How and where does it fit with established knowledge? Does it contradict any established knowledge? <br />- On what grounds does it over-ride any pre-existing knowledge?<br /><br />All these questions are open.<br />Therefore, so is the information, <br />Therefore, to make conclusions from it is unsound.<br />So you can't say you really know anything regarding this information.<br /><br />All you have is speculation.<br /><br />yada, yada, yada.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11465951708662673502009-05-15T10:22:00.000-04:002009-05-15T10:22:00.000-04:00Where is Jesus's body, pt.2
Since we are looking ...Where is Jesus's body, pt.2<br /><br />Since we are looking for tangible elements that Jesus may have left behind...when he went where? How does a tangible body enter a spiritual (non-tangible) Heaven, where presumably the Father and the Spirit reside?...the most critical tangible element would be the body itself. It should still be somewhere in the physical world, even if Jesus's mysterious spirit is in Heaven. He has wedded himself to a body and that body, by definition, must occupy space and exist somewhere in the material world. Right now. It is, after all, eternal. I do have a theory about why it doesn't seem to have been around lately.nomadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-67183391477505924992009-05-15T09:51:00.000-04:002009-05-15T09:51:00.000-04:00Lee, there is a point to Christianity, even a logi...Lee, there is a point to Christianity, even a logical one. God wants a Kingdom where he himself will be a King. But he didn't want to be a dictator but rather wanted to be slave of the people in order to rightly rule over them (a very common principles we use in our democracies), hence the famous "let any one who want to be greatest among you be the least of all". <br /><br />So the essence of Jesus and the cross was to show that he was serving on behalf of the people. Some people say that Jesus death was a vain death for no one asked God to send Jesus to die for us. That's where christians come into equation, for they have realized that they are sinful and deserve that blood. Even when apparently someone seems to be pious without being a christian, that person is still missing something. Not that piousness does not affect God but that very little act of humbling and realizing what God has done for us has a tremendous effect on the heart of God. In other words, they are happily willing to be partners of Son of God in his mission. You know God has a special love for his Son, and it's all about that.<br /><br />You have to believe that God is just for not choosing you for one reason. Believe me, at the end of judgement there will be someone who exactly under the same circumstances like you, realized the importance of God and Jesus. He'll get the crown and you'll miss it and that seems just to me.edsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06266606853107791571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9349400433260173552009-05-15T09:17:00.000-04:002009-05-15T09:17:00.000-04:00edson,
Under the same circumstances he will choose...edson,<br /><B><I>Under the same circumstances he will choose you and he'll leave me out. </I></B><BR>then there's no point to christianity if all we have to do is be a good person, of which there is no scope or definition. We do just as well going to sunday school and learning economics and game theory. Just think, Me and the monks having an ale, listening to you snap crackle and pop like kindling....<br /><br /><B><I>At the end of the day I'll still say that God is just. </I></B><BR>I don't believe that for a second.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-88141659867842257572009-05-15T09:07:00.000-04:002009-05-15T09:07:00.000-04:00Lee,
"...as long as the instructions are incompre...Lee,<br /><br />"...as long as the instructions are incomprehensible, people are not going to understand it, and they can't be blamed for that."<br /><br />Yeah! I agree with you on that one. I'm sure God has this also in consideration. To be rational, God is supposed to be absolutely just and I am convinced God is not going to hold someone responsible for something he didn't understand.<br /><br />At the same time, as I said in my earlier post, God is in the bussiness of findng the best people, the fittest, who will represent Him in the Kingdom. He has his own set of criteria of getting these sort of people. Under the same circumstances he will choose you and he'll leave me out. At the end of the day I'll still say that God is just. <br /><br />There are so many examples of this. In America, there are christians and atheists, everywhere you'll get christians and non christians. So it seems in the Kingdom of God, God will be represented by people from all races and all nations.<br /><br />Theoretically, I tend to think that the mysteriousness of what is called Christian God is delibarately set for purpose. Jesus gave the parable of Ten Talents to demonstrate this. I think what will be demanded from a person coming from Saudi Arabia will be quite different from that of America. <br /><br />You and I probably concur at certain point, I dont believe in a god who will punish people eternally in the worst punishment ever for minor offenses. Therefore, I dont take the bible literally all the time.edsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06266606853107791571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45239130148583163742009-05-15T08:48:00.000-04:002009-05-15T08:48:00.000-04:00Robin,
If your talking about this one particular i...Robin,<br /><B><I>If your talking about this one particular issue then I would have to agree that we should suspend judgement.</I></B><BR>This one particular issue is just a marker on the road. I'm really preparing the way for my article on shredding romans 5, which I started over a year ago and sits in my googledocs waiting for the right place in the series.<br /><A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/search/label/IDQ" REL="nofollow">heres the link</A> that presents all of them.Lee Randolphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17353286859864448748noreply@blogger.com