It's a bugfix release and since the features are internal or weston-related, it doesn't deserve a new point release.

09-23-2013, 08:42 AM

mark45

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Originally Posted by Honton

The features are highly Gnome related, so it does need a release. Gnome 3.10 is here in a few days and Fedora needs to release Wayland supported packages soon. So sure this is needed when the primary Wayland desktop and primary Wayland distribution ask for it.

Which is what I'm saying, it should be like 1.2.2 instead of 1.3.
1.2.1 included some internal features and lots of bugfixes, like this release.

But it doesn't really matter, I'm just picky I guess.

09-23-2013, 09:14 AM

dee.

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Originally Posted by BO$$

They need to look like they're making progress. They themselves realized how serious and fast Canonical is about the development of Mir so they have to look like they're keeping up.

Does anyone bite your pathetic trolling attempts anymore?

09-23-2013, 09:19 AM

TheBlackCat

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Originally Posted by mark45

Which is what I'm saying, it should be like 1.2.2 instead of 1.3.
1.2.1 included some internal features and lots of bugfixes, like this release.

From the announcements, it is pretty clear why they are using 1.3 vs. 1.2.3 (emphasis added):

1.2.1:

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This release is mainly bug fixes and documentation tweaks, but a lotof them. We also have the touch support for toytoolkit and other clients. This is probably more of a feature, but it barely affects existing code paths or change weston internal API, so it's a safe addition.

1.3:

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I believe I picked up most recent patches and fixes recently on the list. In particular, I merged Rob and Neils patch to send out events to all listeners for wl_pointer, wl_keyboard and wl_touch from a client. This patch enables clutter-gtk and webkitgtk, but touches core event delivery code paths, so look for regressions there.

So, as with many projects, only non-disruptive changes are allowed in x.x.x releases. If the change has a significant potential for regressions or changes to users, it is kept for x.x releases.

09-23-2013, 10:30 AM

r_a_trip

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Originally Posted by BO$$

They need to look like they're making progress. They themselves realized how serious and fast Canonical is about the development of Mir so they have to look like they're keeping up.

I'll bite. It doesn't matter how fast Canonical moves with Mir or how slow Wayland progresses. Despite your boundless hope that the world will unite on Mir, this is not going to happen.

The way that Canonical introduced Mir, with a big tada and a lot of technical falsehoods about Wayland, stepped on a lot of toes. That Mir was conceived in total darkness as a secret skunkworks project, kept under wraps for 9 months, also didn't endear any outsider to Mir.

Mir is asymmetrically licensed under the GPLv3 + CLA. This means that no-one but Canonical can license a Mir implementation under less free conditions. For mobile, with the specific requirements of that industry in place, Mir under the GPLv3 is useless to any distributor but Canonical. Wayland in contrast is licensed under MIT and this means everybody is free to use it as free software or to close up the code. This is completely symmetrical. No need to beg ($$) Canonical for a license exception. This alone reduces the chance of third party Mir uptake dramatically.

You may think that Canonical is big enough to bend the entire Linux community to their converged vision and on Canonical's terms, but they are not. They are a relatively small company, that has captured a smidge of the non-technical minded computing market (in comparison to the whole non-technical computing market). A smidge that is not really paying the bills to boot.

What you think is a titanic battle of wills between mighty Canonical and the rest of the puny Linux developers, is in fact a technical rift between tiny Ubuntu and the rest of the massive Linux ecosphere. Ubuntu is breaking off of the larger Linux ice shelf. So you will have a whole family of diverse Operating Systems, powered by Linux, GNU, Wayland and systemd and there will be Ubuntu, powered by Linux, GNU, Mir and upstart. Where do you think the synergies will happen?

Ubuntu is becoming its own thing. If that is bad or good, I'll leave to interested stakeholders. I no longer have any skin in that game. It will probably mean that Ubuntu will keep diverging from what is traditionally understood as a Linux distribution. Since upstream support for Ubuntu is becoming strained, I wouldn't be surprised if Canonical opts to write its own development environment, unique to Ubuntu. This will mean yet another FOSS platform, next to Linux, *BSD, Haiku, ReactOS, etc. but if running that makes you happy, it makes me happy that you have found your thing.

09-23-2013, 10:56 AM

dh04000

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Originally Posted by r_a_trip

Mir is asymmetrically licensed under the GPLv3 + CLA. This means that no-one but Canonical can license a Mir implementation under less free conditions.

Wait, wait, wait.... are you telling me that the opensource community is mad that a piece of OSS can't just be forked and released under a less free license? Being able to just show up, take someone else's hard work, fork it and license it under a less free title and develop it outside of the GPL is now a GOOD THING in the open source community? So what Oracle does is a good thing now?