If we're giving up some of the organization's top young assets then it should be for a defenseman or a goaltender. The Leafs are something like 6th in the NHL in goals scored. Their problem isn't scoring, it's keeping the puck out their own net.

Yeah, this.

Like I said, I wouldn't say we're loaded at the wings to the point where you turn down an opportunity to improve them, but if we're going to be giving up a significant amount of assets, then there are greater problems that should be resolved first.

Did you happen to notice that Grabo and Mclem are doing just fine in the dot?

Boz has a 2.3% FO edge on Grabo.

To put it in context if Grabo had as many FOs as Boz he would have only lost 17 more then Boz at 722 attempts.

Did you happen to go look through all those stats to see who Grabo is winning the face-offs against?

Without even looking at stats, logic suggests that Bozak takes faceoffs against the opposing teams best faceoff men because he is used in almost every important defensive zone faceoff....especially on the PK.

So if Grabovski is a 50% face-off man but 75% of those face-offs are won against players that are 40%-45% face-off men, and bozak wins 52% of his face-offs (Or whatever you said it was at) but is winning it against hte opposing teams best faceoff men (Bergeron, Crosby, etc) then would logic not suggest that you can't just throw grabovski into that scenario and expect him to win just as many as Bozak. If that were the case, then Carlyle wouldn't rely so heavily on using Bozak.

He is the best on our team, period.

There's way to many people selling Bozak so short of what he means to this team. Like trading him for a first round pick and weakening our team for THIS season. Or how some people are so easily willing to give him up because he isn't producing like a first line center. News flash, he is not a first line center. He has been thrust into that role and he's doing what he can with it. It's up to management to find a legit first line center, or keep riding it out with what we have and hope Kadri emerges as a bonafide PPG #1 Center year in and year out.

Those same ppl are also the one's whining about how this team hasn't made the playoffs in 9 years. I realize he's a UFA and if he demands too much money he COULD walk, but theres also a chance we are able to keep him. And if we don't then we have the cap space to go out and sign a 3rd line center that has similar attributes to what Bozak brings to the table.

It's ludicrous to think you can just throw someone into the faceoff dot with so much on the line (Like you are saying with Grabovski) and expect him to succeed. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

With yesterday's call up of Jake Gardiner and as is being reported today, Komisarek accepting to waive his no movement clause and either get traded or be moved to the minors, along with several rumors I am hearing of discussions the Leafs are having with Chicago about a forward and Dallas (regarding Derek Roy).... I would not be surprised if the next big move in the NHL came out of Ontario.

More than likely but he probably could have filled in for Liles while he recovers from the sprained ankle.

6'.4" right handed Defencemen are fairly rare but I would guess they will recall Holzer, evidently Komisarek is injured already and I guess we have enough D playing on the Marlies and likely a full number of roster spots are taken.

When is this gonna stop Komarov is like Kulemin; hes useful in the dot and has the strength to be effective, but he has stated he wants to play on the wing. Hes made the conversion and won't be played at C, so making a move and expecting him to play down the middle won't work.

And yes, secondary scoring is the difference between making the playoffs, and missing out. Trading one of Mac, Grabo, or Boz is acceptable because we have considerable depth down the pipeline, but if you think any player in our Marlies will replace the void left by Bozak AND Mac, without hurting our already fragile offense, you are wrong.

Why not trade Lupul while we're at it? After all, we have Ashton in the minors!

UMMM What? I don't have Kamo down the middle.

And stop trying to add things to my point of view that i have not stated.

I did not call for the trading of Grabo nor Lups.

We sit 6th in the league for goals scored, this is what you term fagile?

If we're giving up some of the organization's top young assets then it should be for a defenseman or a goaltender. The Leafs are something like 6th in the NHL in goals scored. Their problem isn't scoring, it's keeping the puck out their own net.

Not that an upgrade in these 2 positions would hurt but I think with a little more patience IMO the organization has these 2 positions filled if we let some growth take place.

X's and O's wise I think the big issue this team has defensively isn't even in the defensive zone, it's the lack of a consistent cycle game on the offense that still hurts this team.

If we notice it's the 2nd period with the long change that is the worst period for the Leafs and it's because they get caught in long shifts due to not controlling the game in the offensive zone to be able to make clean changes that causes this hemming in the defensive zone.

The Leafs are very much an opportunistic team at the moment and speaks loud and clear that scoring depth is a strong point of the team, they need to improve the cycle game especially the top line and start to be a team that controls the game forcing the other teams play more in the defensive end. This will improve the team defensively.

Did you happen to go look through all those stats to see who Grabo is winning the face-offs against?

Without even looking at stats, logic suggests that Bozak takes faceoffs against the opposing teams best faceoff men because he is used in almost every important defensive zone faceoff....especially on the PK.

So if Grabovski is a 50% face-off man but 75% of those face-offs are won against players that are 40%-45% face-off men, and bozak wins 52% of his face-offs (Or whatever you said it was at) but is winning it against hte opposing teams best faceoff men (Bergeron, Crosby, etc) then would logic not suggest that you can't just throw grabovski into that scenario and expect him to win just as many as Bozak. If that were the case, then Carlyle wouldn't rely so heavily on using Bozak.

He is the best on our team, period.

There's way to many people selling Bozak so short of what he means to this team. Like trading him for a first round pick and weakening our team for THIS season. Or how some people are so easily willing to give him up because he isn't producing like a first line center. News flash, he is not a first line center. He has been thrust into that role and he's doing what he can with it. It's up to management to find a legit first line center, or keep riding it out with what we have and hope Kadri emerges as a bonafide PPG #1 Center year in and year out.

Those same ppl are also the one's whining about how this team hasn't made the playoffs in 9 years. I realize he's a UFA and if he demands too much money he COULD walk, but theres also a chance we are able to keep him. And if we don't then we have the cap space to go out and sign a 3rd line center that has similar attributes to what Bozak brings to the table.

It's ludicrous to think you can just throw someone into the faceoff dot with so much on the line (Like you are saying with Grabovski) and expect him to succeed. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Uh, Gabovski would actually be taking the face-off's against those guys, since he plays against the opposing teams top lines.

Did you happen to go look through all those stats to see who Grabo is winning the face-offs against?

Without even looking at stats, logic suggests that Bozak takes faceoffs against the opposing teams best faceoff men because he is used in almost every important defensive zone faceoff....especially on the PK.

So if Grabovski is a 50% face-off man but 75% of those face-offs are won against players that are 40%-45% face-off men, and bozak wins 52% of his face-offs (Or whatever you said it was at) but is winning it against hte opposing teams best faceoff men (Bergeron, Crosby, etc) then would logic not suggest that you can't just throw grabovski into that scenario and expect him to win just as many as Bozak. If that were the case, then Carlyle wouldn't rely so heavily on using Bozak.

He is the best on our team, period.

There's way to many people selling Bozak so short of what he means to this team. Like trading him for a first round pick and weakening our team for THIS season. Or how some people are so easily willing to give him up because he isn't producing like a first line center. News flash, he is not a first line center. He has been thrust into that role and he's doing what he can with it. It's up to management to find a legit first line center, or keep riding it out with what we have and hope Kadri emerges as a bonafide PPG #1 Center year in and year out.

Those same ppl are also the one's whining about how this team hasn't made the playoffs in 9 years. I realize he's a UFA and if he demands too much money he COULD walk, but theres also a chance we are able to keep him. And if we don't then we have the cap space to go out and sign a 3rd line center that has similar attributes to what Bozak brings to the table.

It's ludicrous to think you can just throw someone into the faceoff dot with so much on the line (Like you are saying with Grabovski) and expect him to succeed. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Fine, don't like Grabo toss in McLem.

This over hype ,over blow importance to Boz in the dot weighed against what we have for other options is verging on sad comedy, really it is.

You all sound like a bunch of desperate children being told Christmas morning MIGHT be delayed 1 day because grandma and grandpa are snowed in.

And stop trying to add things to my point of view that i have not stated.

I did not call for the trading of Grabo nor Lups.

We sit 6th in the league for goals scored, this is what you term fagile?

We are also bottom 5 in shots for and are outshot by a WIDE margin game in, game out (have some of the most shots against, too). Take away Mac and Bozak, now our #1 C and 2nd/3rd line winger are gone and will have to be replaced by AHL players.

Did you happen to go look through all those stats to see who Grabo is winning the face-offs against?

Without even looking at stats, logic suggests that Bozak takes faceoffs against the opposing teams best faceoff men because he is used in almost every important defensive zone faceoff....especially on the PK.

So if Grabovski is a 50% face-off man but 75% of those face-offs are won against players that are 40%-45% face-off men, and bozak wins 52% of his face-offs (Or whatever you said it was at) but is winning it against hte opposing teams best faceoff men (Bergeron, Crosby, etc) then would logic not suggest that you can't just throw grabovski into that scenario and expect him to win just as many as Bozak. If that were the case, then Carlyle wouldn't rely so heavily on using Bozak.

He is the best on our team, period.

There's way to many people selling Bozak so short of what he means to this team. Like trading him for a first round pick and weakening our team for THIS season. Or how some people are so easily willing to give him up because he isn't producing like a first line center. News flash, he is not a first line center. He has been thrust into that role and he's doing what he can with it. It's up to management to find a legit first line center, or keep riding it out with what we have and hope Kadri emerges as a bonafide PPG #1 Center year in and year out.

Those same ppl are also the one's whining about how this team hasn't made the playoffs in 9 years. I realize he's a UFA and if he demands too much money he COULD walk, but theres also a chance we are able to keep him. And if we don't then we have the cap space to go out and sign a 3rd line center that has similar attributes to what Bozak brings to the table.

It's ludicrous to think you can just throw someone into the faceoff dot with so much on the line (Like you are saying with Grabovski) and expect him to succeed. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

we would be making our team better not weaker...

Kadri is an upgrade over Bozak as the 1 #C

Grabo has always thrived in the #2 slot

McClement is an upgrade over Grabo in a defensive shut down role in the #3 spot

We are also bottom 5 in shots for and are outshot by a WIDE margin game in, game out (have some of the most shots against, too). Take away Mac and Bozak, now our #1 C and 2nd/3rd line winger are gone and will have to be replaced by AHL players.

There slotted role on the team will not have to be replaced by AHLs

Just 2 4th line roles.

Kamo can slot into the 3rd line wing, where has has done fine this year and we have Grabo playing 2nd line C, McLem 3rd line C, and Kadri #1c. Still don't see what the fussing is about.

Hamilton,Ashton,D'Amigo can fill in wing depth and Colb,Ziggy,Conn can fill in 4th line depth.