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LF Tank ICC, Must Know What ‘Stack’ Means

Friday night is Reversion and my’s “ICC Pug Roulette” night. Some weeks we join someone else’s pug, some weeks we build our own. Sometimes we steamroll through six bosses and look at new content, sometimes we… don’t. Last night was, well…

First problem was that none of the people we’ve pugged with recently were online and available. The few I did whisper had real life obligations. So other than one guild member’s alt, this was going to be a total pug.

I started asking in Trade. Got whispers too. One was a DK I checked out on the Armory. When I saw he had no experience in ICC and a bunch of slots that had 200 gear, I turned him down. He kept whispering me: “Cmon, I’ll be good”, “Please please take me”. Finally I told him we were full on melee (more or less true) and he gave up. Then he started spamming Trade himself, finally including “4500 gearscore” in his message, at which point I had to tell him flat out that nobody was going to take him with that gear and he should go run the new heroics for more gear. Gearscore may be overrated, but it does tell you when someone does not know what content is appropriate to their gear.

Anyhow, we slowly build up. Get a pally tank who looks solid, says he’s good, and then adds, “I know the fights up to Marrowgar”. Reversion laughs, and then it quickly turns to “…” as we realize he’s serious. Well, everyone learns somewhere so Reversion starts whispering to him while I keep building. No healers, anywhere. Finally I take a solid shaman – we wanted one of those anyway – and an undergeared tree and we start.

Trash isn’t bad, except when I pop out to fill the tenth slow (we had someone who said they were coming and then wouldn’t) and they activated a trap and half the raid wiped. Ooops. Someone dropped after that so I grabbed two dps out of trade and we went back.

First bad sign: clearing the Deathbound Wards, the pugged tank refused to stand on Reversion (instead Reversion had to eat the whole cleave) and stood to one side, ….casting Exorcism. I called him on it. “But it automatically crits!” he says. “Don’t ever use anything with a cast time when you’re tanking!” I told him, and he meekly agreed. Reversion explains what “stack” means, why it’s important, and how to do the Marrowgar fight. The guy says he understand and we start.

It’s a disaster. Right from the start, the tank is nowhere near Reversion. Because he’s not there, a melee guy bites the dust, right off. “Stack on Reversion!” I yell as I frantically heal the Cleaves. Fortunately Reversion’s got enough health to eat them but since we don’t have a ‘real’ tank healer, I’m having to work hard to keep him up. The undergeared tree was down, leaving me and the shaman to keep people alive. Then the shaman drops – a bone spike, fire, and me working on Reversion were the end of her. But! She pops back up by the power of Reincarnate and we’re back at work. I Brez the other tree, heal her, and look away; she’s down again almost immediately, I have no idea how.

For the next eight minutes Reversion and I experience a sense of “how bad can this get… how awesome can we be” as we dodge fire, stay alive, and marvel at the Other Tank. Picture this:

Marrowgar at the door, hitting a sad lonely bear. Most of the dps and heals behind him. One mage off way to the other side, on a bone spike. And the Other Tank… standing at the bone spike… hitting it with his mace.

About five minutes in Reversion and I are talking about how we are going to kick this tank and that we’re going to intentionally wipe if it looks like we might somehow pull this off so we can be fair to whoever we get to replace him. Not that there’s much chance of this; we’re down to 6 players left alive and that means only 2 dps are up. Marrowgar’s health is going down very… very… slowly.

One of the dead guys, a hunter, say, “Well thanks for the invite guys” and drops group. I didn’t have time to say anything to him but I thought that was pretty rude behavior when we hadn’t even finished wiping, so I didn’t bother to whisper him and tell him we were getting a new tank. DPS are a dime a dozen on Friday nights.

Finally with a minute left on the enrage timer the other healer goes down, and then me, and it’s over. The Other Tank says something like “Urgh” and I kick him. Maybe it was vindictive, but we had shouted multiple times in the raid “[Tank] stack on Reversion!” “Stand on the bear!” “Get over here!”, etcetera. He had claimed to understand the strategy, had failed, and that was it. So I told the raid I was going to Dalaran and asking for “1 dps any type if you can pull 2.5k and not stand in fire, 1 tank who knows the first four fights”. In three seconds in trade I had a tank, Dwarfpally, whisper me. And then another hunter and we were off – not so fast; the undergeared tree decided to leave without a word. I sighed and picked up another dps; there were just no focus healers to be had and we really didn’t need another raid healer.Ms. Shaman Healer and I would just have to work it out.

Marrowgar went down so fast it wasn’t funny. Nobody died. Bone spikes were nuked down. People stood in the right place. This tank actually got in Vent, discussed strategies with Reversion, and knew what he was doing. The other healer was awesome and I told her so. We moved on, cleared out Deathwhisper’s adds, and started on her.

Well, the mage starts whispering me during the trash “What time is it?”

“8:30”, I whisper back, puzzled over what he means.

“Lol thanks watch broke. AM?”

“Um, pm,” I reply. I have no idea what he’s on about. Surely you can tell the difference between AM and PM? Even if he was from some different time zone, why would he ask me?

I’m pretty sure that this was related to why, thirty seconds into the pull, he dc’d.

So we’re 9-manning it. Goes well until someone doesn’t listen when we shout (vent and raid) “STOP DPS” because we don’t want Deathwhisper down while there are adds up… and it happens anyway. The other healer gets cursed, I was too slow to dispell it, and we wipe.

I kick the dc’d mage and we get a friend who had just come online to come. Deathwhisper goes down this time. Head for lootship, no comment on that fight. Is there ever? Except Reversion mistimed his last jump and went down with the ship. Heh.

And now we faced Saurfang, Destroyer of Pugs. I don’t even know where to start. Punchline first; he didn’t die. Not the first time, not the eighth time. One attempt, we had 5 blood beasts running around. I didn’t know that was possible. Once I look over and see the shaman healing herself as a blood beast hits her. “KITE IT!” I yell. She didn’t know that you had to not get hit; she said every time she’d done this fight, the dps killed them before they got to her.

It was largely an issue of dps not burning down and controlling adds, with a side of not enough heals. A shaman and a druid just have trouble keeping up two tanks plus one or more marks during that fight. I was constantly kiting adds around and mis-timing heals. I know I contributed to the fails but am convinced it was largely a dps coordination issue.

It ended up being a frustrating end to the night. I’m still optimistic about once a week pugged raids, though. The more people we pug with, the more I have stored in friends to ask. One of these days the buff will go up again and we’ll get farther. These days we can usually get past Saurfang.

Anyway from now on I will be advertising:

“LFM ICC10 need tank who knows what ‘stack’ means”. I didn’t think it was that hard…

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It baffles me how some people can really be quite so awful at … well, anything, to not know what “stand with the other tank” means. I presume both tanks had nice big raid markers over their heads?

To be (sort of) fair to DPS on Deathwhisper, it’s sometimes easy to miss even /rw messages when DBM is spamming the screen with so much info – I missed the RL’s HERO HERO HERO HERO pleas (I was on my shaman) completely. Mind you, it’s not like we were even close to the enrage timer. People DPSing mind-controlled players was a bigger issue -.-

Yeah, marks over the tanks, instructions like “Go stand on the bear” or “go stand on the star” equally ignored.
The guy who messed up on Deathwhisper had previously said he “didn’t know how to change vent info” so he couldn’t join us in vent.

That – looking badass – is one of the things that keeps me coming back to pugging. Really, I have fun, even if it gets frustrating. I can’t commit to a real raiding schedule so pugs are my best option for seeing content.

We have done Marrowgar with only one tank up for five minutes – if it’s Reversion, we’ve even pulled off a kill.

Your pug stories always make me laugh and thank the stars that I rarely have to do it anymore 😀

My guilds first attempt on Saurfang had 4 blood beasts up and I had thought that wild enough…. blood power going from 5% to 95% in the span of 5 seconds lol.

Even within our guild runs we at times have confusion of where to stand. It took putting a green thong over my druids head for our dps to stack on during the Marrowgar fights. At least we never had to worry about mace twirling prot pally dps….

“A shaman and a druid just have trouble keeping up two tanks plus one or more marks during that fight.” – This I have to disagree with you on. My main healing partner is a resto shaman, and myself I am a resto druid. We two heal all of lower spire together week after week and really have never had any problems keeping our team alive. What we have found to work the best with Saurfang (and most of the other fights as well) is having the Shaman focus on the tanks – Spam Chain heals ftw, while I hot them then focus on the raid. Marks get my full focus and ripetides from the shaman as available. However, if beasts are not going down, there isn’t a healing team in the world that is going to be able to save your group.

Thanks – I mean it – those tips are helpful for me the next time I team up with a resto shaman. I have an ongoing project to get all four healing classes up to max level so I can learn things about how they heal. Until then, tips like yours will keep me going.

I went and pugged my Marrowgar weekly on a newly minted DK. My main is warrior dps/tank, and I know the trade. I also play AH and getting a couple of 245 crafteds to start with was no problem, so I went with GS (Goatse Score) of 4500-4800 or so… iLvl 220 and some 42k HP.

I was surprised, for a pug it worked well. Marrowgar got owned, one-shot, and we went on. Three-shotted Lady only because we tried the quest and with 2 tanks, dudus can’t fail at rooting really. Ours did, even if the tree is forgivable. Aaaaaaand… we get to lootship… and fail. I nearly went into frothing rage when people wouldn’t wait for portalled party to go through fully (atack before, and you pull aggro) not to mention only ONE dps jumping. We got it on third, with just tanks and 1 healer standing, me (OT) and healer manning the cannons for the last seconds while adds raeped our lone MT on the board before despawning.

Sigh, pugging can be win sometimes, but it can be so frustrating. Never pug if you can guildrun things.