Here's a quote:"We're crafting this one. It's being done with care. It'll be ready on the first day," she said, adding that she'll soon announce the House authors.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation, and the possession. Not retroactively, but prospectively. It will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets," she said. "There will be a bill."

I believe she does this each year, but I could be mistaken. Also, I would assume the bill would be similar to the Clinton era restrictions and appears to be what is being parroted in the media.

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"It's being crafted carefully." Yeah, right. It's BEEN "crafted" for years. Nothing new.

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Would uppers and parts and magazines still be legal to sell? For example, if I were inclined to "panic buy" an ar 15 but did not have the money for a full gun, is there a part I could buy (a lower receiver, the trigger group, the stripped lower) that I could build up later when I have more funds, possibly after the actual gun has been outlawed for sale?

Sorry if this is on the wrong forum or even a dumb question.

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I think with the emotions running high after this most recent unspeakable act, the anti-gun proponents are going to have a shot at passing a bill...watered down or otherwise.

I believe the Connecticut incident is the straw that broke the camel's back and this is the beginning of anti-gun laws at the Federal level. For the longest time, even after the Oregon incident, I didn't think it was enough. It had to be a violent act that would cause a monumental mud-slinging battle in Congress.

This past Friday was it.

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Yes; under the 94 AWB, affected firearms made before the ban could still be bought and sold without any additional federal restrictions, and the same went for so-called "high capacity" magazines. Furthermore, it remained legal under federal law to build and sell firearms capable of accepting "pre-ban hi-cap" mags; new guns just couldn't be sold to average citizens with said mags.

Once average folks began to understand the restrictions, the unintended consequence was a massive free-for-all seller's market in pre-ban items. Some gunmakers even got in on the action by using their LE trade-in programs to access caches of spare LE mags, then auction them off to resellers.

The unintended consequences of the first AWB are so well-documented that almost any proposed "AWB II" would have to be far more restrictive, punitive, and invasive in order to be effective. IMHO this fact actually works in our favor because it renders passage of such a law much more remote. Few congress-critters would vote for it- on EITHER side of the aisle- and even if it were passed, it would probably be tied up in court for years.

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Last edited by carguychris; December 16, 2012 at 09:42 PM.
Reason: minor reword...

After Obama's speech this evening, I believe that there will be a huge push for gun control. There may not be a ban on guns per say (beyond "assault" rifles) but he had a build up tonight that something will be done. Maybe a national tax on ammunition?

Something is going to happen. And I don't think it will be left up to the individual states.

Like others, I don't see anything passing the House. You've got a voting bloc that's set itself to deny the President anything he wants. They're not going to let him have a win with gun control.

Furthermore, the language in Heller seems to preclude any sort of sweeping ban on a class of weapons in common use.

And yes, Feinstein does bring this to the table every single year. There will be a great deal of chest-beating about it while its supporters do the rounds on television. Then it'll get deep-sixed in committee, and they'll scream about how they wanted to do something, but the evil gun lobby wouldn't give it to them.

Then other issues will come around and eclipse this. It's all a certain sort of morbid theater.

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I don't think an across-the-board increase in the excise tax is likely. Despite the current budget woes, most folks in Congress don't want to be seen as backing higher taxes on low to middle-income Americans.

That said... I do think there is a real danger that an "AWB II" may take the form of a taxation scheme aimed (no pun intended) at so-called "evil" features. My thoughts here:

Like others, I don't see anything passing the House. You've got a voting bloc that's set itself to deny the President anything he wants. They're not going to let him have a win with gun control.

Yep, we sure do have a majority of pro-gun persons in the House of Representatives. But remember, this is the same majority that has gone along with raising the debt limit, gone along with increases in government employment, gone along with the orders of drones killing civilians in sovereign nations, gone along with continued spending, gone along with……. Need I continue?

I have a feeling the "pro-gun" majority in the House will go along with a new assault weapons ban. Hope I’m wrong…… Pray I’m wrong……

In the mean time I’m calling my Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) tomorrow. That, and ordering a few dozen more AK mags.

Fact is, there are as many Republicans as Democrats that might sign onto a new AWB bill.

Ah, but how many Democrats would sign it? Many of the freshmen who took seats in 2006 were pro-gun. In fact, a couple had better NRA ratings than the guys they'd replaced. Consider the congressional briefs in support of us in Heller and McDonald. There are plenty of signatures from both sides of the aisle.

I've long argued that a politician's stance is not always determined by the color of his lapel pin. Folks pushing for stricter gun laws may find they've got much less support than they thought when they push the issue.

Then there are the folks who remember 1994. Many folks who might support a new ban in their hearts aren't going to risk their careers by supporting it in deed.

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If you really want to have your voice heard BEFORE a vote contact your Senators and Congressmen and voice your opinion. After a vote.....won't matter one bit. Time is now to act. Later it will just be bitching that someone did'nt do their part.

In all the emotional hubbub let's try to maintain a rational train of thought here. Gun control is about CONTROL, not about the safety of an individual citizen or society as a whole. If that were the case, then it would be a requirement that all citizens be armed, as there is a multitude of unbiased statistics that would back that up. It is time to face up to the real facts, and stop trying to hide behind knee-jerk, feel-good legislation. The fact is that, as a nation, our moral compass is totally skewed. If you want to make a difference, then truly love your children and teach them to respect others. Teach them by your actions as well as your words. Go out and befriend your neighbors and take the time to help another person, even if it costs you something. Teach your children the uniqueness and beauty of each individual life. That, my friends, is how we can overcome the rash of heinous and unprecedented acts of violence that have occurred. Guns are not the problem, people are.

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