Why are Northern/Western Europeans more liberal than Southern/Eastern Europeans?

Hello Stormfronters

I have an inquiry.

It's something I've been thinking about recently. I'm mixed race. My dad's African-American and my mother's Italian. I was born in Italy (my dad used to be a fighter pilot in the US Air Force; my parents met when he was stationed at Aviano). I also spent the first 7 years of my life there. Anyway, when my parents got married, my mother's side of the family (her sister being the exception) cut her off because she married a black man. I'm yet to meet my grandparents on my mother's side. It's only an aunt on my mother's side who's stayed in my life. I still have hazy memories of being bullied and belittled at school because of my skin tone. In general, being half black and my mother having married a black man was pretty difficult in Italy.

When my dad left the military, we moved to England for five years (my mother had work there). Being a biracial person was much easier in England. In fact it was nothing. I don't recall being racially abused even once. It was a very liberal environment. There were a lot of other mixed race people and a lot of mixed race couples. I really loved living in England and so did my mother. I also remember going to France and the Netherlands and even though we were only there for a couple of weeks, I got the impression that life as a biracial person was much easier in both countries than it was in Italy. The atmosphere was similar to that of the UK. After 5 years in the UK my family moved Stateside and I've been here ever since. I'd actually say the UK is even more liberal than the US.

Last year I travelled to Europe with my ex. She's a white Canadian. Travelling in Western/Northern European countries, we didn't encounter any kind of open animosity. But when I went back to Italy, we got some hostile stares in parts. The same applied when we went to Greece.

It's pretty clear that in general, Western/Nothern European countries are more liberal than Southern/Eastern European countries. Like all the time you hear about racial abuse in soccer in countries like Italy and Russia. And nationalism seems much more overt farther east than it is to the west. I've been wondering why is that the case? Why are Western Europeans more tolerant?

As a last note, however, I must say that my experience in India was pretty enlightening. I and my ex met in India (we're both adventurers) and Indians don't even bother with subtle looks like some Italians and Greeks did. It's all-out, overt glaring - they can be like babies who have seen something they find interesting when it comes to staring. And they seem to HATE dark skin. I remember being in a cafe with my ex and the waiter not wanting serve me because I was too dark. Another Indian also asked my ex what she was doing with someone so dark. I thought it was pretty funny.

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I'm a White male of Northern & Southern European descent who has experience of living in various countries around the world as well.

The reason is that Southern & Eastern Europe have been invaded since 800BC by hordes of savage invaders from the Asian continent. eg. Phoenicians, Huns, Arabs, Mongols, Tartars, Turkics, Ottomans etc. Thus Southern & Eastern Europeans are far more wary and fearful of foreigners unlike Northern/Western Europeans who have not had that experience.

The incursion against this homestead of European culture was carried out from the distant East. A terrible stream of barbarous, uncultured hordes sallied forth from the interior of Asia deep into the hearts of the European Continent, burning, looting, murdering-a true scourge of the Lord....Adolf Hitler

And just to add, I'm not a hardcore White supremacist/racist. While I support WN, I also respect other races if they behave well, don't think of destroying Whites & treat girls & women well.

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Originally Posted by Above&Beyond

Hello Stormfronters

I have an inquiry.

It's something I've been thinking about recently. I'm mixed race. My dad's African-American and my mother's Italian. I was born in Italy (my dad used to be a fighter pilot in the US Air Force; my parents met when he was stationed at Aviano). I also spent the first 7 years of my life there. Anyway, when my parents got married, my mother's side of the family (her sister being the exception) cut her off because she married a black man. I'm yet to meet my grandparents on my mother's side. It's only an aunt on my mother's side who's stayed in my life. I still have hazy memories of being bullied and belittled at school because of my skin tone. In general, being half black and my mother having married a black man was pretty difficult in Italy.

When my dad left the military, we moved to England for five years (my mother had work there). Being a biracial person was much easier in England. In fact it was nothing. I don't recall being racially abused even once. It was a very liberal environment. There were a lot of other mixed race people and a lot of mixed race couples. I really loved living in England and so did my mother. I also remember going to France and the Netherlands and even though we were only there for a couple of weeks, I got the impression that life as a biracial person was much easier in both countries than it was in Italy. The atmosphere was similar to that of the UK. After 5 years in the UK my family moved Stateside and I've been here ever since. I'd actually say the UK is even more liberal than the US.

Last year I travelled to Europe with my ex. She's a white Canadian. Travelling in Western/Northern European countries, we didn't encounter any kind of open animosity. But when I went back to Italy, we got some hostile stares in parts. The same applied when we went to Greece.

It's pretty clear that in general, Western/Nothern European countries are more liberal than Southern/Eastern European countries. Like all the time you hear about racial abuse in soccer in countries like Italy and Russia. And nationalism seems much more overt farther east than it is to the west. I've been wondering why is that the case? Why are Western Europeans more tolerant?

As a last note, however, I must say that my experience in India was pretty enlightening. I and my ex met in India (we're both adventurers) and Indians don't even bother with subtle looks like some Italians and Greeks did. It's all-out, overt glaring - they can be like babies who have seen something they find interesting when it comes to staring. And they seem to HATE dark skin. I remember being in a cafe with my ex and the waiter not wanting serve me because I was too dark. Another Indian also asked my ex what she was doing with someone so dark. I thought it was pretty funny.

Caring about race is not strictly a liberal or "tolerance" issue. Race mixing these days is almost universally the result of rejecting one's own people and culture. Why did your mother reject her own Italian people, the folks of her bloodline and heritage, to marry a black? Why did your father reject his black countrywomen, with so many of them lacking decent husbands and fathers for their children? "Love" is a poor excuse. Sexuality and reproduction are much too important to be left to the infatuation of some would-be Romeos and Juliets.

They betrayed their own cultures and gave you the burden of being mixed race. Did you know that your parents individually have a closer genetic relationship with the random, "unrelated" children of two of their own kind than they do with you? It's tragic and unnatural. They were selfish and you seem to think that people who honor their cultural illness are positively different. Those who are "tolerant" towards such cultural traitors are just following the same self-destructive instructions they've received.

Why is Northern Europe more liberal? The after effects of WWII and the longer cultural damage from enlightenment-era liberalism. Because the people themselves were still largely conservative and traditional (despite outward tolerance), their values held society together for awhile. But, as the toxicity of liberalism in the form of immigration, anti-family policies, hedonism, race mixing, and so on has become so hard to ignore that folks in Northern Europe are now turning strongly back to their conservative roots.

Finally, you're probably used to seeing more rural people where you've gone in Southern Europe than in Northern Europe.

India is an utter hell hole, but the skin color bias has to do with ancient Aryan culture and the higher castes having proportionally more white admixture. Their culture is disgusting and rodent-like. Your "ex" is not safe "adventuring" there.

I pity your multiracial condition, though you seem oblivious to its issues. There's no easy answer, but you cannot expect welcome in a society that values its racial heritage. Your parents have given you a considerable disadvantage and I hope you will not further that onto children of your own.

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Originally Posted by treuwa

I pity your multiracial condition, though you seem oblivious to its issues. There's no easy answer, but you cannot expect welcome in a society that values its racial heritage. Your parents have given you a considerable disadvantage and I hope you will not further that onto children of your own.

His parents don't value race, it is their choice. He is welcome to live among mixed-race people and strive to have the best life possible. He will not be welcome in a WN community, but saying he has a "considerable disadvantage" just reeks of supremacy and is going to turn good people away from us. You have to grasp that not all white people are WN material.

As to OP. Northern and Western Europe have been more indoctrinated with cultural Marxism and their relative wealth and comfort allow them adopt bankrupt policies without immediate consequence. Eastern and Southern Europe are still living the consequences of "equality" so it's a harder sell. What it boils down to is brainwashing because a century ago you would not have been as welcome.

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I don't believe this post. It is total BS on many fronts. Few Negroes are "adventurers". Even fewer are fight pilots. That last one I do not believe for a minute. I certainly would not get on a plane with a black Negro pilot but I have never seen one. Even fewer are Italian women who would marry a nog. It just doesn't happen although there are a few cases here and there.. Good for your grand parents. I also doubt any nog would stay with an Italian woman for more than five years. This post is total BS.

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Originally Posted by kilisab

His parents don't value race, it is their choice. He is welcome to live among mixed-race people and strive to have the best life possible. He will not be welcome in a WN community, but saying he has a "considerable disadvantage" just reeks of supremacy and is going to turn good people away from us. You have to grasp that not all white people are WN material.

I know where you're coming from, but it's the truth that he has a real disadvantage. That's not white supremacy at work and he'd be better off as a full negro than half-half. Being multiracial is honestly a tough hand. There are considerable identity, social, medical, and genetic issues.

It doesn't mean he should jump off a bridge. There are people with all kinds of crap from their childhood from STDs to addiction to child abuse to just the bad luck of being born in a war torn country. Strength through adversity. But, you can't simultaneously say people shouldn't mix race and then pretend that the reasons have nothing to do with their offspring.

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As to OP. Northern and Western Europe have been more indoctrinated with cultural Marxism and their relative wealth and comfort allow them adopt bankrupt policies without immediate consequence. Eastern and Southern Europe are still living the consequences of "equality" so it's a harder sell. What it boils down to is brainwashing because a century ago you would not have been as welcome.

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I can only speak for my country (England). I think if you want an epitome of the extreme negro-loving nature my country has been afflicted with, you can look at the case of a university student who was jailed for months because he posted something "racist" on Twitter after a black footballer collapsed and almost died on the pitch. No, I kid you not. The judge, after passing a conviction, said something along the lines that the student had hindered the medical team's attempt as they tried to save his life. Despite the fact that he was hundreds of miles away from what was happening. I was still a liberal back then and I thought it was an absolute joke.

I don't think other Western European countries would go so far, but regarding the cultural Marxism that has plagued us Brits, I'd say the same goes for other countries in Western Europe. The brainwashing hasn't reached the heights in Eastern Europe as it has in my country and other Western European countries.