Post by Proof on Aug 2, 2017 23:35:41 GMT -5

The video is 32 minutes, but the best part is in the final 7 minutes!!😉

The whole presentation is unreferenced and is based on pseudoscience which many viewers feel contains too much complicated technical information for them to understand so they just accept the BS without putting in the effort to determine if there is any validity to the information.

Ya, you referring to the fraud "piltdown (man)" ,If so I heartily agree, and it took 40 years to find out that'sSome scientists were doped into accepting it as fact ...

Post by Proof on Aug 2, 2017 23:51:47 GMT -5

It seems your belief is that the universe sprang into existence from"nothing", and for no reason ...

This is quite different than believing that Our supreme Creator , livedEternally .

But if you wish to adapt a valid reason , for believing that yourView may be correct, it may be that your universe has a mind of its own, and doesn't tell such information??👍

How is it different?

Who authored the parable of the "talents" ?

It certainly makes for an interesting plot to consider,

If you believe the talents weren't your responsibility, then you might do as the man that went and buried his talent, because he (wrongly) thought the owner was an austere and stingy Owner, where as the others were trying to make a profit for both the owner /he . The owner double rewarded their "labors".

Burying your talent, is like disrespecting wheat we were created to seek for, IMO. 👍

Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2017 3:28:04 GMT -5

The whole presentation is unreferenced and is based on pseudoscience which many viewers feel contains too much complicated technical information for them to understand so they just accept the BS without putting in the effort to determine if there is any validity to the information.

Ya, you referring to the fraud "piltdown (man)" ,If so I heartily agree, and it took 40 years to find out that'sSome scientists were doped into accepting it as fact ...

Good that they caught the frauds!!! ✌️

Actually, most scientists WEREN'T doped into accepting the Piltdown as a early man.

From the outset, some scientists expressed scepticism about the Piltdown find .

In the decades prior to its exposure as a forgery in 1953, scientists increasingly regarded Piltdown as an enigmatic aberration inconsistent with the path of hominid evolution as demonstrated by fossils found elsewhere.[1]

In November 1953, Time magazine published evidence gathered variously by Kenneth Page Oakley, Sir Wilfrid Edward Le Gros Clark and Joseph Weiner proving that the Piltdown Man was a forgery[12] and demonstrating that the fossil was a composite of three distinct species.

It consisted of a human skull of medieval age, the 500-year-old lower jaw of an orangutan and chimpanzee fossil teeth. Someone had created the appearance of age by staining the bones with an iron solution and chromic acid.

Microscopic examination revealed file-marks on the teeth, and it was deduced from this that someone had modified the teeth to a shape more suited to a human diet.

Remember, it was after all scientists who figured out that it WAS a fraud! -not Christians!

Post by rational on Aug 3, 2017 10:18:26 GMT -5

The whole presentation is unreferenced and is based on pseudoscience which many viewers feel contains too much complicated technical information for them to understand so they just accept the BS without putting in the effort to determine if there is any validity to the information.

Ya, you referring to the fraud "piltdown (man)" ,If so I heartily agree, and it took 40 years to find out that'sSome scientists were doped into accepting it as fact ...

Good that they caught the frauds!!! ✌️

Unlike theist claims, they caught and corrected the error rather than irnore data that disproves their claims.

Post by snow on Aug 3, 2017 13:34:47 GMT -5

If you believe the talents weren't your responsibility, then you might do as the man that went and buried his talent, because he (wrongly) thought the owner was an austere and stingy Owner, where as the others were trying to make a profit for both the owner /he . The owner double rewarded their "labors". Burying your talent, is like disrespecting wheat we were created to seek for, IMO. 👍

We were created to seek 'wheat' I have no idea what you're talking about. The story of the talents have nothing to do with whether there is a God or not and it has nothing to do with how things were created or even why things were created. Why is it important for there to be a reason for creation or meaning to it all? It's what mankind might want, but it is by no means necessary.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by Proof on Aug 4, 2017 1:07:33 GMT -5

If you believe the talents weren't your responsibility, then you might do as the man that went and buried his talent, because he (wrongly) thought the owner was an austere and stingy Owner, where as the others were trying to make a profit for both the owner /he . The owner double rewarded their "labors". Burying your talent, is like disrespecting wheat we were created to seek for, IMO. 👍

We were created to seek 'wheat' I have no idea what you're talking about. The story of the talents have nothing to do with whether there is a God or not and it has nothing to do with how things were created or even why things were created. Why is it important for there to be a reason for creation or meaning to it all? It's what mankind might want, but it is by no means necessary.

Self correction error;; "disrespecting what (not wheat) we were created to seek for, IMO ."

This parable is important , as it gives a picture of the error many people make in regards to our Creator, and the reward for those that seek to find and to please Him. Aren't you glad you were given life and tallents !?!!

Post by Proof on Aug 4, 2017 1:17:55 GMT -5

Ya, you referring to the fraud "piltdown (man)" ,If so I heartily agree, and it took 40 years to find out that'sSome scientists were doped into accepting it as fact ...

Good that they caught the frauds!!! ✌️

Actually, most scientists WEREN'T doped into accepting the Piltdown as a early man.

From the outset, some scientists expressed scepticism about the Piltdown find .

In the decades prior to its exposure as a forgery in 1953, scientists increasingly regarded Piltdown as an enigmatic aberration inconsistent with the path of hominid evolution as demonstrated by fossils found elsewhere.[1]

In November 1953, Time magazine published evidence gathered variously by Kenneth Page Oakley, Sir Wilfrid Edward Le Gros Clark and Joseph Weiner proving that the Piltdown Man was a forgery[12] and demonstrating that the fossil was a composite of three distinct species.

It consisted of a human skull of medieval age, the 500-year-old lower jaw of an orangutan and chimpanzee fossil teeth. Someone had created the appearance of age by staining the bones with an iron solution and chromic acid.

Microscopic examination revealed file-marks on the teeth, and it was deduced from this that someone had modified the teeth to a shape more suited to a human diet.

Remember, it was after all scientists who figured out that it WAS a fraud! -not Christians!

I read that it was a sciencetist (ha) that claimed the forgery to other scientists. Do you believe science can make a blunder that had absolute no proof?? Should this cause concern that "science"takes 40 years to find a hoax ?

Oh, I believe that people who give God credit for creation, must have beenVery relieved that they weren't related to the hoax, eh ?!

Post by dmmichgood on Aug 4, 2017 2:24:34 GMT -5

Actually, most scientists WEREN'T doped into accepting the Piltdown as a early man.

From the outset, some scientists expressed scepticism about the Piltdown find .

In the decades prior to its exposure as a forgery in 1953, scientists increasingly regarded Piltdown as an enigmatic aberration inconsistent with the path of hominid evolution as demonstrated by fossils found elsewhere.[1]

In November 1953, Time magazine published evidence gathered variously by Kenneth Page Oakley, Sir Wilfrid Edward Le Gros Clark and Joseph Weiner proving that the Piltdown Man was a forgery[12] and demonstrating that the fossil was a composite of three distinct species.

It consisted of a human skull of medieval age, the 500-year-old lower jaw of an orangutan and chimpanzee fossil teeth. Someone had created the appearance of age by staining the bones with an iron solution and chromic acid.

Microscopic examination revealed file-marks on the teeth, and it was deduced from this that someone had modified the teeth to a shape more suited to a human diet.

Remember, it was after all scientists who figured out that it WAS a fraud! -not Christians!

I read that it was a sciencetist (ha) that claimed the forgery to other scientists. Do you believe science can make a blunder that had absolute no proof?? Should this cause concern that "science"takes 40 years to find a hoax ?

Oh, I believe that people who give God credit for creation, must have beenVery relieved that they weren't related to the hoax, eh ?!

✌️😉

Have you read the complete story of the Piltdown man or are you just taking the nuggets that suit your viewpoint?

Maybe you should check out the story from more authentic sources than just that you "read it was a sciencetist (ha) that claimed the forgery!"

<excerpt>"Taken together, the consistency of technique used across all the Piltdown Man fragments suggests that a single person pulled off the hoax, the team reports today in Royal Society Open Science. “Throughout the whole assemblage, there’s evidence of one hand, one maker, one signature,” De Groote says.

The likeliest hand belonged to Charles Dawson, who died almost exactly 100 years ago, De Groote says. An amateur geologist, archaeologist, and historian, he regularly attended meetings of geologists and anthropologists, she notes. He was an inveterate fossil hunter with access to collections and the knowledge of what prehistoric finds should look like. He also had a habit of small-time forgery, with several other of his less-celebrated findings later being shown to be fakes. More than anything, he was desperate for acceptance and recognition within the U.K. scientific community, De Groote says. Letters reveal his persistent, but ultimately fruitless, attempts to join the Royal Society.

Post by rational on Aug 4, 2017 6:30:45 GMT -5

We were created to seek 'wheat'??? I have no idea what you're talking about. The story of the talents have nothing to do with whether there is a God or not and it has nothing to do with how things were created or even why things were created. Why is it important for there to be a reason for creation or meaning to it all? It's what mankind might want, but it is by no means necessary.

Self correction error;; "disrespecting what (not wheat) we were created to seek for, IMO ."

This parable is important , as it gives a picture of the error many people make in regards to our Creator, and the reward for those that seek to find and to please Him.

These are simply fables. The fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper presented years earlier. Aesop

Aren't you glad you were given life and tallents !?!!👍👍

Are you kidding? You believe in a creator that gives but punishes if you do not do as expected? Your creator is as evil as the ant. When the grasshopper is dying of hunger and begs the ant for help the ant, like your creator, rebukes the grasshopper and gives the advice that perhaps it can just dance its way through the winter.

Post by Proof on Aug 4, 2017 6:45:40 GMT -5

Self correction error;; "disrespecting what (not wheat) we were created to seek for, IMO ."

This parable is important , as it gives a picture of the error many people make in regards to our Creator, and the reward for those that seek to find and to please Him.

These are simply fables. The fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper presented years earlier. Aesop

Aren't you glad you were given life and tallents !?!!👍👍

Are you kidding? You believe in a creator that gives but punishes if you do not do as expected? Your creator is as evil as the ant. When the grasshopper is dying of hunger and begs the ant for help the ant, like your creator, rebukes the grasshopper and gives the advice that perhaps it can just dance its way through the winter.

Post by Proof on Aug 4, 2017 6:49:18 GMT -5

I read that it was a sciencetist (ha) that claimed the forgery to other scientists. Do you believe science can make a blunder that had absolute no proof?? Should this cause concern that "science"takes 40 years to find a hoax ?

Oh, I believe that people who give God credit for creation, must have beenVery relieved that they weren't related to the hoax, eh ?!

✌️😉

Have you read the complete story of the Piltdown man or are you just taking the nuggets that suit your viewpoint?

Maybe you should check out the story from more authentic sources than just that you "read it was a sciencetist (ha) that claimed the forgery!"

<excerpt>"Taken together, the consistency of technique used across all the Piltdown Man fragments suggests that a single person pulled off the hoax, the team reports today in Royal Society Open Science. “Throughout the whole assemblage, there’s evidence of one hand, one maker, one signature,” De Groote says.

The likeliest hand belonged to Charles Dawson, who died almost exactly 100 years ago, De Groote says. An amateur geologist, archaeologist, and historian, he regularly attended meetings of geologists and anthropologists, she notes. He was an inveterate fossil hunter with access to collections and the knowledge of what prehistoric finds should look like. He also had a habit of small-time forgery, with several other of his less-celebrated findings later being shown to be fakes. More than anything, he was desperate for acceptance and recognition within the U.K. scientific community, De Groote says. Letters reveal his persistent, but ultimately fruitless, attempts to join the Royal Society.

What I read proves that many evolutions, are not scientific ( nor honest) in their research, that is sad!✌️

Post by rational on Aug 4, 2017 8:25:27 GMT -5

These are simply fables. The fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper presented years earlier. Aesop Are you kidding? You believe in a creator that gives but punishes if you do not do as expected? Your creator is as evil as the ant. When the grasshopper is dying of hunger and begs the ant for help the ant, like your creator, rebukes the grasshopper and gives the advice that perhaps it can just dance its way through the winter.

I don't believe that you are correct, in your warped analysis !

Then I suggest you make your case. Point out the error of my ways. And then provide some verifiable proof that supports your claims.

Post by snow on Aug 4, 2017 14:54:25 GMT -5

We were created to seek 'wheat' I have no idea what you're talking about. The story of the talents have nothing to do with whether there is a God or not and it has nothing to do with how things were created or even why things were created. Why is it important for there to be a reason for creation or meaning to it all? It's what mankind might want, but it is by no means necessary.

Self correction error;; "disrespecting what (not wheat) we were created to seek for, IMO ."

This parable is important , as it gives a picture of the error many people make in regards to our Creator, and the reward for those that seek to find and to please Him. Aren't you glad you were given life and tallents !?!!

👍👍

Actually, I really don't care that much about being given life. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't be any the wiser if I had never been born. Belief in gods has always been a scam created by those who wanted power over others. The followers just want someone to give meaning to life and explain it in the simplest terms possible. They don't want to have to think or figure it out. Just believe what you're told and ignore all the facts to contrary. I can understand that a little, but it still doesn't make it true.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by Proof on Aug 4, 2017 21:54:04 GMT -5

Self correction error;; "disrespecting what (not wheat) we were created to seek for, IMO ."

This parable is important , as it gives a picture of the error many people make in regards to our Creator, and the reward for those that seek to find and to please Him. Aren't you glad you were given life and tallents !?!!

👍👍

Actually, I really don't care that much about being given life. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't be any the wiser if I had never been born. Belief in gods has always been a scam created by those who wanted power over others. The followers just want someone to give meaning to life and explain it in the simplest terms possible. They don't want to have to think or figure it out. Just believe what you're told and ignore all the facts to contrary. I can understand that a little, but it still doesn't make it true.

So then we can ask 1000 believers ? why they believe In a Creator , and get 2000reasons, so we don't need to be reminded ofNot having a sufficient unique reasoning.

Nerverthe less , if you want to live life in the Broad path, you don't even need a reason ,

But, do you believe that things will change?Will your evolution have a reason to stop??👌✌️

<excerpt>"Taken together, the consistency of technique used across all the Piltdown Man fragments suggests that a single person pulled off the hoax, the team reports today in Royal Society Open Science. “Throughout the whole assemblage, there’s evidence of one hand, one maker, one signature,” De Groote says.

The likeliest hand belonged to Charles Dawson, who died almost exactly 100 years ago, De Groote says. An amateur geologist, archaeologist, and historian, he regularly attended meetings of geologists and anthropologists, she notes. He was an inveterate fossil hunter with access to collections and the knowledge of what prehistoric finds should look like. He also had a habit of small-time forgery, with several other of his less-celebrated findings later being shown to be fakes. More than anything, he was desperate for acceptance and recognition within the U.K. scientific community, De Groote says. Letters reveal his persistent, but ultimately fruitless, attempts to join the Royal Society.

What I read proves that many evolutions, are not scientific ( nor honest) in their research, that is sad!✌️

What I read proves that many evolutions, are not scientific ( nor honest) in their research, that is sad!✌️

First of all, Would you please give us links to where you have read that "many evolutions, are not scientific ( nor honest) in theirresearch"

definition of evolution:

NOUN 1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane. 2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research. 3. Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. 4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions. 5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.

Then, -second, would you please explain how an evolution of anything can do research and then be dishonest about the results?

Post by dmmichgood on Aug 5, 2017 1:07:23 GMT -5

These are simply fables. The fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper presented years earlier. Aesop Are you kidding? You believe in a creator that gives but punishes if you do not do as expected? Your creator is as evil as the ant. When the grasshopper is dying of hunger and begs the ant for help the ant, like your creator, rebukes the grasshopper and gives the advice that perhaps it can just dance its way through the winter.

I don't believe that you are correct, in your warped analysis !

What is "warped" about that analysis?

Christianity claims that God at first made us "in HIS image" but then we "sinned" because we weren't "perfect" ( but how could that happen if we HE made us in HIS image and HE was supposed to be perfect?) anyway,-so then HE made a bargain with us (without our consent by the way) that if we obey HIS every whim, that HE would save us from an eternity of hellfire which HE had also created!

Now THAT"process" indeed must come from some very "warped" god! But the "analysis "' of comparing that to Christianity's claim to the The fable of The Ant and the Grasshopper isn't "warped!"

Post by dmmichgood on Aug 5, 2017 1:18:53 GMT -5

Actually, I really don't care that much about being given life. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't be any the wiser if I had never been born. Belief in gods has always been a scam created by those who wanted power over others. The followers

I can understand that a little, but it still doesn't make it true.

So then we can ask 1000 believers ? why they believe In a Creator , and get 2000 reasons, so we don't need to be reminded of ot having a sufficient unique reasoning.

Nerverthe less , if you want to live life in the Broad path, you don't even need a reason ,

But, do you believe that things will change?Will your evolution have a reason to stop??👌✌️

Getting all those answers is NOT"reasoning!"

In fact, getting all those 1000's of different answers indicates that it is just as snow stated.People "just want someone to give meaning to life and explain it in the simplest terms possible.They don't want to have to think or figure it out."

Post by snow on Aug 5, 2017 14:18:15 GMT -5

Actually, I really don't care that much about being given life. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't be any the wiser if I had never been born. Belief in gods has always been a scam created by those who wanted power over others. The followers just want someone to give meaning to life and explain it in the simplest terms possible. They don't want to have to think or figure it out. Just believe what you're told and ignore all the facts to contrary. I can understand that a little, but it still doesn't make it true.

So then we can ask 1000 believers ? why they believe In a Creator , and get 2000reasons, so we don't need to be reminded ofNot having a sufficient unique reasoning.

Nerverthe less , if you want to live life in the Broad path, you don't even need a reason ,

But, do you believe that things will change?Will your evolution have a reason to stop??👌✌️

You obviously don't understand evolution if you have to ask me if evolution has a reason to stop. We are the product of evolution and if earth continues to exist we will continue to be the product of evolution. Not just humans but all species. It's all a'changin!

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by Proof on Aug 5, 2017 17:23:50 GMT -5

So then we can ask 1000 believers ? why they believe In a Creator , and get 2000reasons, so we don't need to be reminded ofNot having a sufficient unique reasoning.

Nerverthe less , if you want to live life in the Broad path, you don't even need a reason ,

But, do you believe that things will change?Will your evolution have a reason to stop??👌✌️

You obviously don't understand evolution if you have to ask me if evolution has a reason to stop. We are the product of evolution and if earth continues to exist we will continue to be the product of evolution. Not just humans but all species. It's all a'changin!

You do u derstand that Joe Smith was somewhat of an evolutionist, and he believed human beings weren't done evolving (like you claim too)

As a Freemason , he was a member of the societythat did all they could to push evolution and deny otherbeliefs. In fact , it would not surprize me if some people are required to believe that humans will evolve into (gods?) gods?

But , it doesn't concern me at this moment because I do not subscribe to human evolution, and it seems many evolutionist really do not believe we will achieveImmortal status!? , without believing in an afterlife.

Either you accept that we have stopped evolving, or you donot know how much "better" your descendants will evolve ?

Post by dmmichgood on Aug 5, 2017 20:07:45 GMT -5

You obviously don't understand evolution if you have to ask me if evolution has a reason to stop. We are the product of evolution and if earth continues to exist we will continue to be the product of evolution. Not just humans but all species. It's all a'changin!

You do understand that Joe Smith was somewhat of an evolutionist, and he believed human beings weren't done evolving (like you claim too)

As a Freemason , he was a member of the society that did all they could to push evolution and deny other beliefs. In fact , it would not surprize me if some people are required to believe that humans will evolve into (gods?) gods?

But , it doesn't concern me at this moment because I do not subscribe to human evolution, and it seems many evolutionist really do not believe we will achieve immortal status, without believing in an afterlife.

Either you accept that we have stopped evolving, or you do not know how much "better" your descendants will evolve ?Hmm✌️😉

Don't you just love it when people give other people just two choices?I do not have to accept either of your options.

We don't have to choose between believing whether we have stopped evolving or not.Neither do we HAVE to know, -or not know, what our descendants will be like.

It indicates that you really know very little about the whole process of biological evolution.

PS:It would have been helpful if you would have told us which "Joe Smith" that you were talking about.

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