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Re: Granger traded to Philly

This hits my point exactly. Is this a Danny Granger forum, or an Indiana Pacers forum? This trade upgrades our team immensely, so we should be celebrating. Plus, it might actually give Granger a chance to start.

Fans are fans for different reasons. Not everyone is going to view the team as a bunch of faceless guys who mean nothing individually as long as they play well together. They have come to mean something to the community as people, not just as interchangeable parts.

Besides, it remains to be seen whether we get beginning-of-season Turner or recent-play Turner.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: Granger traded to Philly

Stop pretending grown mend don't get invested in their exploits. Danny's knee went to ****. That sucks. You weren't bummed when Zeke tore his Achille's? Stop trying to be above it all.

I don't really care to remember what zeke was after 1992. He honestly should have retired earlier. I remember the good times.

I'm sure granger is bummed out. Anyone would be. He's got 14 million reasons to get over it. This isn't the end of anyone's world.

And FYI, zeke tore his Achilles at the very end of his farewell game. His career was over anyway. Still a sad way to see him leave the floor, but he could have saved himself that sad end by retiring in 1993.

Last edited by Kstat; 02-20-2014 at 06:06 PM.

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Re: Granger traded to Philly

It's a great trade. A brilliant one, actually, and I can't believe we pulled it off. With that said, it still really hurts to see Danny go. This is the very definition of bittersweet for a lot of us. Turner and Allen definitely improve this team, as does Bynum. But losing a man like Granger is a tough pill to swallow.

Re: Granger traded to Philly

I learned very early in life that championships are all that matters in the end. The players get to keep their money no matter how the team does. The closest thing the fans get is a championship celebration. I liked Adrian Dantley more than I'll ever like Mark Aguirre, but I got over it very quickly.

The players will love your team as long as you pay them a lot of money. Likewise, if my team can improve drastically by dealing you, goodbye and thanks for the memories. Thats the cold reality of pro sports, and the best championship teams all embrace this.

Larry Bird saw that being played out firsthand when his finals MVP teammate cornbread maxwell got banished to the clippers for bill Walton. Boston loved maxwell. They still do. They got over it pretty fast when Walton was the NBA's best 6th man in 1986.

Last edited by Kstat; 02-20-2014 at 06:17 PM.

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Re: Granger traded to Philly

I genuinely understand both sides here. You all have good points.

Personally, I hate to see Danny go but this trade makes you far better. Remember when we were saying we need a player to create his own shot off the bench? We hoped Danny could do that but as you can see he wasn't able. Those recent injuries he had, have taken their toll.

Turner is certainly a guy who can. Don't know about his defense but offensively, he should be massive upgrade.

Re: Granger traded to Philly

Fans are fans for different reasons. Not everyone is going to view the team as a bunch of faceless guys who mean nothing individually as long as they play well together. They have come to mean something to the community as people, not just as interchangeable parts.

Besides, it remains to be seen whether we get beginning-of-season Turner or recent-play Turner.

I don't view the team as a bunch of faceless individuals. I just never formed that personal connection with Granger. I'm sorry if my comments come across as unappreciative of him. I believe wholeheartedly that he helped this franchise.

Re: Granger traded to Philly

I learned very early in life that championships are all that matters in the end. The players get to keep their money no matter how the team does. The closest thing the fans get is a championship celebration. I liked Adrian Dantley more than I'll ever like Mark Aguirre, but I got over it very quickly.

The players will love your team as long as you pay them a lot of money. Likewise, if my team can improve drastically by dealing you, goodbye and thanks for the memories. Thats the cold reality of pro sports, and the best championship teams all embrace this.

Interesting.

Championships are very special and not that easy to come by, particularly in the NBA. To be lucky enough to be a fan of a team that is one of the few to have won a championship is great, but if championships are all that matter then there are a lot of fans wasting their time with the NBA.

For me, memories are what matter. What I remember from being at games with my dad, what I remember about being at games with my kids, what I've loved watching. That means particular players may mean a lot to me even if they aren't associated with championship teams.

Now, does that mean you pass on a chance for a championship just to keep a player who is past his prime? No, I don't think so - but, by the same token, you don't dismiss what a player has meant because he wasn't part of a championship team.

The dichotomy of being a fan is that you can be excited and heartbroken at the same time.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: Granger traded to Philly

I learned very early in life that championships are all that matters in the end

that's where we differ I suppose. is what it is, you like guys for X, I like them for Z. Dantley's a bum because the Pacers dumped him for a PR stunt for example. sorta kinda serious about that. more serious about the awful merger terms bu y'know.

Re: Granger traded to Philly

Championships are very special and not that easy to come by, particularly in the NBA. To be lucky enough to be a fan of a team that is one of the few to have won a championship is great, but if championships are all that matter then there are a lot of fans wasting their time with the NBA.

For me, memories are what matter. What I remember from being at games with my dad, what I remember about being at games with my kids, what I've loved watching. That means particular players may mean a lot to me even if they aren't associated with championship teams.

Now, does that mean you pass on a chance for a championship just to keep a player who is past his prime? No, I don't think so - but, by the same token, you don't dismiss what a player has meant because he wasn't part of a championship team.

The dichotomy of being a fan is that you can be excited and heartbroken at the same time.

I suppose I should rephrase: compared to championships, everything else matters significantly less. If there's any move that brings you just a little closer, you have to make it without hesitation.

I don't think you dismiss a good player because his team wasn't good enough to win it all. I have fond memories of grant hill, Antonio mcdyess and Jerry stackhouse. But fond memories don't interfere with running a good organization. Allowing them to influence your decisions does.

Were the pacers ever going to get closer to a championship by trading Reggie miller? Doubtful. But this is different.

Last edited by Kstat; 02-20-2014 at 06:26 PM.

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Create an ignore list. I know it may seem unneighborly. But you're here to talk about the Pacers, not argue with someone who's just looking for an argument. Most of the regular users on here make use (at least occasionally) of the "Ignore" feature. Just go to "Settings" -> "Edit Ignore List" and add the names.

Create an ignore list. I know it may seem unneighborly. But you're here to talk about the Pacers, not argue with someone who's just looking for an argument. Most of the regular users on here make use (at least occasionally) of the "Ignore" feature. Just go to "Settings" -> "Edit Ignore List" and add the names.