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Re: Naruto Manga 480 Discussion and 481 Predictions

Last week I said that I thought Danzo had to run away from the fight because it would be bad story telling to just kill off such an interesting and important character.

However, after seeing this episode I am having a change of heart. I'm still not 100% happy that Danzo dies (or, looks like he is going to die), but considering how it happened it's not as bad as it could have been.

With Izanagi, Danzo felt a little bit invincible. He wasn't intending to fight to the death, he thought he had the upper hand and he thought he was invincible for at least one more minute. That invincibility would have let him outlast Sasuke and then use Shisui's eye on Madara. It's not a bad plan, and if Danzo hadn't underestimated Sasuke it might have worked. Well, we don't really know how powerful Madara is, so who knows what that fight would have looked like, but Danzo seemed confident.

Danzo wasn't trying to throw his life away, he thought he had a trump card that would make him invincible. Sasuke just used an illusion to make that trump card go away.

So yes, I'm upset that Danzo is going to die and take all his secrets with him. But, he died in a way that makes sense for his character. Also, we see some major character development for Sasuke, that he's willing to sacrifice the people around him to get his revenge. Maybe Danzo wouldn't have died if Sasuke hadn't been willing to trade Karin's life for his.

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Would being hit in the shoulder make you bleed from the mouth?
I don't know, but I don't think it would.
I doubt Sasuke aimed to kill her, he told her not to move for a reason.
Unless he's just simply evil and wished to make it more cruel?

Who knows. Maybe Sakura will heal Karin since she's on her way.
That'd be interesting...>.>
But supposedly, according to the "what to expect in 2010" interview, this fight is supposed to determine both Sasuke and Team Hebi's future.

I don't see how Danzo will survive this one, unless he bites Karin?
That would kill her though. Juugo said she can't give too much chakra, she just healed Sasuke and has now been stabbed with chidori.

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Oh I see on that page now...you are right it is Madara talking about Shisui's eye...but that still doesn't answer two questions:

1. Why "couldn't" Danzo use Shisui's eye?
2. What does Madara mean about the "roots" hidden in the ground? Does that mean the roots of the eye so the eye didn't like die or something? But that would imply that Shisui's eye's roots were in that tree that disconnected from Danzo's left arm...but Shisui's eye is Danzo's right eye...

ROOT ninjas? That one doesn't seem right either.

wait wait wait!!! I just re-checked and the tree doesn't disconnect until AFTER Madara is talking about the eye...so the whole "roots" things is even more ambiguous now!

Wow that was confusing to type...

Another thing about this Shisui eye...Danzou takes off the bandages and then Madara says "his right eye is working again"...again since when? The only thing I can think of is again since he killed those assassin shinobi after the whole Kage Summit arc. His implanted sharingan is damaged after all.

And yes, I am yet another fan confused at why Amaterasu was activated in Sasuke's left eye when he "killed" Danzo...only looks like a chidori sword to me.

Good chapter. Don't know why he activated his MS before stabing Danzou maybe to make sure he wouldn't hit any of Karin's vital organs.....I think she'll live...As far as Danzou, he can do one of two thing....he can use Shisui's eye for Izanagi and survive being stabbed through the heart or die.

In the top left block on page 9 it says "I should be able to GET Shisui's eye soon". I don't think it was Madara talking....I think it was a mistranslation and Danzou was thinking to himself " I should be able to USE Shisui's eye soon". That would make more sense to me.

What did he need the Shodai's cells for if he didn't even use the mokuton effectively.
We also haven't seen Shisui's power in action yet.

That sucks.
So much power, so much expirience got wasted >.<

Interesting what if SHodais cells took over him? Would he turn into a tree? That's ridiculous, because Shodai wasn't a tree, he was human.

He needed those powers to control the Kyubi. Also, the power of the shodai was to make jutsus with wood, such like Yamato can turn both arms into wood and use them. It's possible for instance that if he couldn't control the cells, they would go haywire, turning the body into wood.

Originally Posted by Blakashi

Good chapter. Don't know why he activated his MS before stabing Danzou maybe to make sure he wouldn't hit any of Karin's vital organs.....I think she'll live...As far as Danzou, he can do one of two thing....he can use Shisui's eye for Izanagi and survive being stabbed through the heart or die.

In the top left block on page 9 it says "I should be able to GET Shisui's eye soon". I don't think it was Madara talking....I think it was a mistranslation and Danzou was thinking to himself " I should be able to USE Shisui's eye soon". That would make more sense to me.

No, this might be further proof that Madara lost his left eye, and he wants Danzou dead for two primary reasons. One to restore his left eye and have the power of two sharingans once again, and Two, prevent Danzou from taking control of the Kyubi.

No, this might be further proof that Madara lost his left eye, and he wants Danzou dead for two primary reasons. One to restore his left eye and have the power of two sharingans once again, and Two, prevent Danzou from taking control of the Kyubi.

if that was the case Madara can still simply take Itachi's eyes

i still don't get it. Sasuke fought against the Kages he was taken by Madara and then healed by Karin. Then immediately he fought Madara though he was back to 100% how can he still use the MS or a better question how can he still stand?:confused: He has been using the MS from the beginning of the fight and we all know that Itachi always tried to use the MS as less as possible. But Sasuke somehow has the chakra to use MS even now and then talk to himself saying "thats one down niisan". From the looks of things it looks like his chakra is more than the nine tails??? i mean thats just impossible we could have understand if it was Naruto who somehow miraculously can still fight because he is the main character. But it just doesn't make sense by this time Sasuke should become blind WTF man. I remember Sasuke's father saying to him that only a few people from the Uchiha was able to awaken the MS. But now suddenly using MS has become like using normal sharingan. I mean i don't have any problem Sasuke getting stronger but Kishi is overdoing it. It really sucks and we still have to wait another week before to see Naruto hopefully doing something rather than just thinking and getting beaten up for defending Sasuke:P

Sasuke told Karin not to move so that means he hurt her but she is not dead however if he is REALLY become evil then it means Karin is dead i don't like her. And we haven't seen the full power of Shisui's eyes so i think somehow Danzou will survive i want him to survive so we can know all the secrets surrounding him. If Danzou was able to dodge Sasuke using Shisui's eyes why did he took Karin as hostage? most probably because he knew even if he was able to kill Sasuke there was Madara. I just think Danzou used Shisui's eyes to cast a sort of genjutsu or whatever and escaped. As for Karin it will be better if she dies so that will mean Sasuke has become a Pure Evil which will make things more interesting

at the beginning of the manga we all thought that there was a lot of things that was common between Sasuke and Kakashi. But now as Sasuke has become more and more evil Naruto and Sasuke's story is becoming more and more like Orochimaru and Jiraiya's one dont u think? the only difference is Jiraiya was able to understand that Orochimaru will not come back after some attempts and Naruto is still just like a kid thinking he can STILL bring back Sasuke. Even though till now i thought that there was still chance for Naruto to bring Sasuke back if Sasuke is to really become a antagonist or shall i say the one who follows darkness then he might even kill some of Naruto's friends if they get in the way i guess that is the only thing that can convince Naruto that Sasuke is gone for good.

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i personally think that kishi is going to find a way to extend this fight another chapter. the whole ms when using chidori and stabbing karin is another excuse to somehow extend the fight... by now i just want danzou to die so that we can continue with the story, it is like the naruto vs pain fight people were going when is it going to end

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Originally Posted by ultimatekey

i personally think that kishi is going to find a way to extend this fight another chapter. the whole ms when using chidori and stabbing karin is another excuse to somehow extend the fight... by now i just want danzou to die so that we can continue with the story, it is like the naruto vs pain fight people were going when is it going to end

He awakened Amaterasu (Left eye) as fail-safe for if Danzo has used his right eye as Izanagi.. Or Sasuke just goes sadistic and burns the two bodies together LOL

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Ok my friend reminded me something that the first could control multiple bijuus.

But if my random guess is correct it looks like madara is trying to collect good eyes and tailed beast just in case he can't get the moons eye plan he can put the eyes in his lil enemy foes and they could control a beast each or something. IDK just going out on a whim.

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Originally Posted by bam06005

Oh I see on that page now...you are right it is Madara talking about Shisui's eye...but that still doesn't answer two questions:

1. Why "couldn't" Danzo use Shisui's eye?
2. What does Madara mean about the "roots" hidden in the ground? Does that mean the roots of the eye so the eye didn't like die or something? But that would imply that Shisui's eye's roots were in that tree that disconnected from Danzo's left arm...but Shisui's eye is Danzo's right eye...

ROOT ninjas? That one doesn't seem right either.

wait wait wait!!! I just re-checked and the tree doesn't disconnect until AFTER Madara is talking about the eye...so the whole "roots" things is even more ambiguous now!

Wow that was confusing to type...

Another thing about this Shisui eye...Danzou takes off the bandages and then Madara says "his right eye is working again"...again since when? The only thing I can think of is again since he killed those assassin shinobi after the whole Kage Summit arc. His implanted sharingan is damaged after all.

And yes, I am yet another fan confused at why Amaterasu was activated in Sasuke's left eye when he "killed" Danzo...only looks like a chidori sword to me.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say in the rest of the post but I'll try to answer the two questions to the best of my knowledge:

1) Danzo couldn't use Shisui's Sharingan because he used it at the Kage Summit on the Samurai leader and he stated he could only use it a couple times a day. So he was waiting for it to "re-charge".

2) I think Madara was talking about Danzo. Danzo is the leader of the Root organization of Konoha. He was saying Danzo should have stayed underground instead of coming out so forcefully because it led to his downfall. So it was a jest at Danzo's expense.

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Awesome manga. Now im hoping sasuke retracts the chidori and danzo bites karin. Then Danzo escapes. That would be awesome! Then meets up with kabuto, gets kabuto to replant new eyes from a stockpile he likely has. Then Orochimaru takes over Kabuto, and uses his body-transfer technique to take over Danzos body and becomes the ultimate villan.

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Originally Posted by Foetoid

Awesome manga. Now im hoping sasuke retracts the chidori and danzo bites karin. Then Danzo escapes. That would be awesome! Then meets up with kabuto, gets kabuto to replant new eyes from a stockpile he likely has. Then Orochimaru takes over Kabuto, and uses his body-transfer technique to take over Danzos body and becomes the ultimate villan.

AWESOME!

that really will be awesome and still in this manga the most twisted villain is Orochimaru so if he comes back taking over Kabuto's and Danzou's body he will be like even a threat to Madara!!! if that happens but i really hope Danzou survives and teams up with Orochimaru. So then we will have two groups of antagonist. One Madara's one and the other Danzou and Orochimaru.

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Originally Posted by Foetoid

Awesome manga. Now im hoping sasuke retracts the chidori and danzo bites karin. Then Danzo escapes. That would be awesome! Then meets up with kabuto, gets kabuto to replant new eyes from a stockpile he likely has. Then Orochimaru takes over Kabuto, and uses his body-transfer technique to take over Danzos body and becomes the ultimate villan.

AWESOME!

Two things...

1st...I think Karin has the ability to control who she heals when she is bitten. I think she said once that all it is is just a transference of chakra so she should be able to prevent Danzou from taking her chakra even if he bites her. And besides, I don't think Danzou has enough strength left to bite her(he took one in the HEART)

2nd...Everyone is saying that sasuke is so evil for stabbing karin along with danzou but you all have to realize that he did that to save her. If he moved in any other way danzou could hav possibly killed her or used his jutsu against him. Sasuke did the right thing by giving karin a survivable injury and killing danzou.

Kishi said in his interview that Naruto will again start training. Well the obvious guess was either he will learn to control the nine tails or the power that Itachi gave him or something related to the key Jiraiya left. 3 options but i would like to add another one. Remember the First Hokage's Scroll of Sealing. With the help of the Naruto was able to learn Kage Bunshin that ultimately helped him to learn Rasengan, Rasengan Shuriken(which even Minato couldn't do) and master Sage Mode completely(even Jiraiya couldn't do). So the Scroll of Sealing was the thing that really helped Naruto in the long run and the Kage Bunshin was the first technique on that scroll. There must be many more. If somehow Naruto gets that again i guess he can also learn Shodai Hokage's techniques which will be very awesome

Originally Posted by twistedHyuga

Two things...

1st...I think Karin has the ability to control who she heals when she is bitten. I think she said once that all it is is just a transference of chakra so she should be able to prevent Danzou from taking her chakra even if he bites her. And besides, I don't think Danzou has enough strength left to bite her(he took one in the HEART)

2nd...Everyone is saying that sasuke is so evil for stabbing karin along with danzou but you all have to realize that he did that to save her. If he moved in any other way danzou could hav possibly killed her or used his jutsu against him. Sasuke did the right thing by giving karin a survivable injury and killing danzou.

the thing about Karin may be true but we are still not sure about Danzou's death. That guy is just too mysterious and Shisui's eye is very powerful i guess he must have done something to survive.

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the thing about Karin may be true but we are still not sure about Danzou's death. That guy is just too mysterious and Shisui's eye is very powerful i guess he must have done something to survive.

Shisui's eye was a regular Sharingan..
Danzo just got a hit in the heart and lost Shisui's arm with all the sharingans and Shodaim's cells..
What you think he has left??
Just because he can answer some questions??

guess what?? Kabuto can answer those questions.. The hunt for Kabuto will get that much exciting if Danzo is confirmed dead in the last chapter..

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Originally Posted by Kenshin Himura

Shisui's eye was a regular Sharingan..
Danzo just got a hit in the heart and lost Shisui's arm with all the sharingans and Shodaim's cells..
What you think he has left??
Just because he can answer some questions??

guess what?? Kabuto can answer those questions.. The hunt for Kabuto will get that much exciting if Danzo is confirmed dead in the last chapter..

although Shisui's eyes were normal sharingan at the Kage summit that guy with the Byakugan said Shisui had the power to manipulate others mind without letting them know about it. So in Shisui's case though he has the normal Sharingan but he had a unique power and also his chakra i guess is sort of special thats why Danzou also took his arm. So what i'm saying is Danzou could have used Shisui's eye for Izanagi but the most like scenario is either he is really dead or he escaped somehow controlling Sasuke's mind with Shisui's eye.

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Originally Posted by Senary

It's taking so long because Kishi has to build Sasuke to rival Naruto, and by that I mean to be Naruto's Ultimate Rival. Someone who is (or at least appears) stronger than him but follows the wrong path and threatens everything he loves. Naruto is learning to control the 9Tails and unless Sasuke has something on par with that level of chakra, it would make sense that he wouldn't stand a chance. They are still in the teen years and I fully expect another time skip and a few more events take place before we start to see a clash between Leaf + Sasuke (Taka?).

I thought Sasuke would start turning good again but it's clear that Kishi is going to go with this plan. The time skip will probably contain some stories regarding the 4th ninja war and damage done by the tailed beasts in different areas.

I always think back to the time that Sasuke told Taka that they are not working for Madara, but for themselves. Maybe he still has this attitude but it's not looking good for your boy.

Well it does appear the only way to get sasuke out of the darkness is by itachi telling the whole truth behind that night that he placed a genjutsu trigger into Naruto ...
I agree that there will be a time skip we have to see them grow up and be adults i think this is what kishi is showing last time when Naru passed out that he's ideals are changing and matureing as he questions himself
My boy will be fine Naru will not kill sasuke and there is no way IMO to touch Naru as he has so many fail safes protecting him lol he will go train again AND naru will never hurt Sasuke they are brothers sasuke does has a degree of respect for Naruto and they forced each other to become stronger people make fun of Naru and Sas but i think it is a fair representation of how brothers are in real life so both charactor's are awesome and it's gonna just be a powerhouse show on epic scales
KB will help him learn to talk to the Fox and use the toad seal to help control the fox's chakra's so we know complete control of the Fox will come and he will then infuse a FRS with sage+fox+wind chakra to develope a move that sassuno will fall too lol but yea i love both char's Naru and Sas but i will say as it stands Naru would get pwnd by Sas until he trains
The uchiha can control kyubii remeber when they met after that three year thing the fox begged sasuke to not kill Naruto and he just pinched his nose and the chakra broke apart Madara control'd kyubii 16 years ago too so the fox is useless against Sasuke unless Naruto is in control of it lol
so all sasuke would have to do is piss naruto off like Pein tried to do get him to go into the Fox mode and then do whatever uchiha do to control that tailed beast my bet is a Genjutsu like Tsukuyomi anyways sorry for the long post

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After Itachi killed Shisui he got the MS. So before that he didn't had the MS. The thing that's been bugging me is that did Itachi alone killed Shisui? I mean Itachi was a exceptional ninja but Shisui was also a very powerful ninja who i guess knew of Itahci's powers as he was like a elder brother to Itachi. Shisui was also observing Itachi after joining the ANBU so maybe Danzou and Itachi both killed Shisui. I know this isn't a very important topic but what i want to say is it is very unlike for Itachi who didn't had the MS that time defeating someone feared as "Shisui the Mirage".