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Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

You should read the article again, you won't look so ignorant on the subject.....

Officials at the United States Department of Agriculture endorsed the company’s ammonia treatment, and have said it destroys E. coli “to an undetectable level.” They decided it was so effective that in 2007, when the department began routine testing of meat used in hamburger sold to the general public, they exempted Beef Products.

The Food and Drug Administration signed off on the use of ammonia, concluding it was safe when used as a processing agent in foods. This year, a top official with the U.S.D.A.’s Food Safety and Inspection Service said, “It eliminates E. coli to the same degree as if you cooked the product.”

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

So what? I don't see what difference volume makes to the legitimacy of the product.

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

Like I said, you can eat that **** all you want, I just want to know when it's being served. Using Ammonia to me seems, "not properly prepared". does it to you?

Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production).

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

One would think we all would want to know what exactly our food contains, no?

I never questioned that for a moment. My opinion remains that this campaign is about more than information, it's about actively encouraging or even enforcing change - not just labelling the product but removing it.

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

Originally Posted by HonestJoe

...Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production)....

and neither does the FDA, as per the article I posted and more recent statements by the FDA.

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

Originally Posted by Thunder

then stop trying to provoke & bait me, with your bull**** attacks.

talk about the pot and the kettle...

The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

A spokesman for the USDA, which runs the school lunch program, said lean finely textured beef is still beef, though it is separated from fat through heat and centrifuge and treated with ammonium hydroxide to kill bacteria.

"Transparency is a reality of today, with more people paying close attention to what's in their food and especially (what's) being served in schools," said USDA spokesman Mike Jarvis. "We've said from the beginning: We think it's a safe product, but people have preferences and some schools didn't want it."

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

Originally Posted by Thunder

Officials at the United States Department of Agriculture endorsed the company’s ammonia treatment, and have said it destroys E. coli “to an undetectable level.” They decided it was so effective that in 2007, when the department began routine testing of meat used in hamburger sold to the general public, they exempted Beef Products.

The Food and Drug Administration signed off on the use of ammonia, concluding it was safe when used as a processing agent in foods. This year, a top official with the U.S.D.A.’s Food Safety and Inspection Service said, “It eliminates E. coli to the same degree as if you cooked the product.”

now who looks ignorant on the subject, Reverend?

Keep reading. /facepalm

In July, school lunch officials temporarily banned their hamburger makers from using meat from a Beef Products facility in Kansas because of salmonella — the third suspension in three years, records show. Yet the facility remained approved by the U.S.D.A. for other customers.

Presented by The Times with the school lunch test results, top department officials said they were not aware of what their colleagues in the lunch program had been finding for years.

In response, the agriculture department said it was revoking Beef Products’ exemption from routine testing and conducting a review of the company’s operations and research. The department said it was also reversing its policy for handling Beef Products during pathogen outbreaks. Since it was seen as pathogen-free, the processed beef was excluded from recalls, even when it was an ingredient in hamburgers found to be contaminated.

Re: ‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

So what? I don't see what difference volume makes to the legitimacy of the product.

Well if you gut your food wrong you and possibly family members get sick and die. You mass produce it to 70% of the ground beef in the US, well, I think you can get the idea.

Drink all the raw milk you want. don't serve it in the federal school lunch program and don't tell anyone, that is akin to my issue.

Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production).

Amonia is a waste product produced by our bodies, it is a cleaning product, it is not food, but hey if you want to eat it, enjoy it, just list it in the ingredients.

I never questioned that for a moment. My opinion remains that this campaign is about more than information, it's about actively encouraging or even enforcing change - not just labelling the product but removing it.

Put it on the label, that's my main argument, furthermore, I think we all could eat better, stuffing our fat faces with tv dinners and BBQ pringles, does no one any good.