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good episode, thoug i can see why the anticlimatic feeling, since last episode left things in such tension, that we probably expected more impact in the confrontation with kaiki, but this is nisio oishin and this is the kind of thing he does in his works.

throughout that confrontation I kept thinking which part of his supposed retreat is a lie, I know that you can't really trust this man but I failed to see any danger of him lying that part as well....So as much that there's no big epic fight and such there's still some degree of tension due to the nature of Kaiki's character. You just don't know what to expect from him. Maybe even his self proclaimed title is a lie as well.

I just have a feeling that this will not be the last time we see him. Probably not in Nisemonogatari, but in future NisioIshin works.

To think Koyomi stopped sparring with her because he was afraid he'd hurt her... he should have been more concerned with own safety. Well, it's kind of the story of his life. I know he didn't try to fight back seriously, but I'm not sure he could have even if he had wanted to. She was overwhelming.

Kaiki is exactly the kind of man I thought he was. It turns out he didn't even use a fake bee as I suspected, it was just hypnosis (which raises the question of how Koyomi was able to take half of Karen's fever when it was just the result of hypnosis; even Kaiki seemed stumped). Thinking back on it, on top of what he said about Karen having a good imagination, there were huge visual hints in that scene as well.

I love how quickly he gave up and pretended to repent when faced with the prospect of getting his ass kicked. I assume he couldn't take care of two people at the same time with his hypnosis, so he would have been punched, and as he already stated earlier, he hates that. It's amazing how straightforward he can be despite being a con artist.

I hope he'll come back soon. He's too awesome to be written out of the series like that. The same goes for Oshino.

Subs for this episode were downright terrible...I could barely follow the dramatic development throughout the Kaiki confrontation scene using Crunchyroll's translation, making the scene feel overacted and anticlimactic, but while Commie's adjustments offered a degree of enlightenment in some slight instances, I must've counted at least a dozen important lines which were blatantly and obviously wrong.

I don't have the resources to attempt a full translation myself but I might give a go later on at piecing together a script which preserves the dramatic pacing of the dialogue in that scene myself.

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Which also kind of confused me... Kaiki and the rest of the impostors were helping her to regain her weight, right? How could this affect the divorce of her parents? Haven't they already split up after the attempted rape?

It also does not fit to help her with her disease (when her parents were together), because that would mean that Hitagi wouldn't have resisted the advances of the cultist... given what she admitted during the episode, as well as Kaiki and the other four would have con'ed her before her mother joined the cult, and therefore he wouldn't know about it.

There's a lot that looks wrong to me with those scenarios you're tossing out, so here's a reconstruction of the events as far as I remember them. Corrections from someone with more accurate knowledge of the series would be appreciated.

- Hitagi got sick (the flashback material from this episode seem to remind me that it was some sort of congenital disease which would cause rotting limbs)
- her mother became involved with shady religious cults believing that they could save her, or at least give her some faith/comfort about the world
- Hitagi was saved, but her mother remained involved with the cult
- one day, one of the cult leaders convinced Hitagi's mother to allow him to rape her (Hitagi)
- Hitagi resisted, jeopardizing her mother's relationship with the cult, and also creating cracks in her relationship with her mother herself.
- Avoiding her problems with her mother, Hitagi became possessed by the "weight" crab
- In order to cure Hitagi of her new condition, her parents hired a number of exorcists
- Kaiki was the first; he saw the cracks in the family's relationships, and exacerbated them so that he could extort them (namely, Hitagi's father) for more money.
- Hitagi's father and mother divorced after Kaiki
- Hitagi's father was conned by four further "exorcists" afterwards trying to find a cure to Hitagi's condition, resulting in the destitution of Hitagi's household now.

To think Koyomi stopped sparring with her because he was afraid he'd hurt her... he should have been more concerned with own safety. Well, it's kind of the story of his life. I know he didn't try to fight back seriously, but I'm not sure he could have even if he had wanted to. She was overwhelming.

Kaiki is exactly the kind of man I thought he was. It turns out he didn't even use a fake bee as I suspected, it was just hypnosis (which raises the question of how Koyomi was able to take half of Karen's fever when it was just the result of hypnosis; even Kaiki seemed stumped). Thinking back on it, on top of what he said about Karen having a good imagination, there were huge visual hints in that scene as well.

I love how quickly he gave up and pretended to repent when faced with the prospect of getting his ass kicked. I assume he couldn't take care of two people at the same time with his hypnosis, so he would have been punched, and as he already stated earlier, he hates that. It's amazing how straightforward he can be despite being a con artist.

I hope he'll come back soon. He's too awesome to be written out of the series like that. The same goes for Oshino.

Second degree blackbelt and when we saw her walking on her hands it was supposed to be a foreshadow of her knowledge in Capoeira.

Subs for this episode were downright terrible...I could barely follow the dramatic development throughout the Kaiki confrontation scene using Crunchyroll's translation, making the scene feel overacted and anticlimactic, but while Commie's adjustments offered a degree of enlightenment in some slight instances, I must've counted at least a dozen important lines which were blatantly and obviously wrong.

I don't have the resources to attempt a full translation myself but I might give a go later on at piecing together a script which preserves the dramatic pacing of the dialogue in that scene myself.

There's a lot that looks wrong to me with those scenarios you're tossing out, so here's a reconstruction of the events as far as I remember them. Corrections from someone with more accurate knowledge of the series would be appreciated.

- Hitagi got sick (the flashback material from this episode seem to remind me that it was some sort of congenital disease which would cause rotting limbs)
- her mother became involved with shady religious cults believing that they could save her, or at least give her some faith/comfort about the world
- Hitagi was saved, but her mother remained involved with the cult
- one day, one of the cult leaders convinced Hitagi's mother to allow him to rape her (Hitagi)
- Hitagi resisted, jeopardizing her mother's relationship with the cult, and also creating cracks in her relationship with her mother herself.
- Avoiding her problems with her mother, Hitagi became possessed by the "weight" crab
- In order to cure Hitagi of her new condition, her parents hired a number of exorcists
- Kaiki was the first; he saw the cracks in the family's relationships, and exacerbated them so that he could extort them (namely, Hitagi's father) for more money.
- Hitagi's father and mother divorced after Kaiki
- Hitagi's father was conned by four further "exorcists" afterwards trying to find a cure to Hitagi's condition, resulting in the destitution of Hitagi's household now.

You got one point wrong but that would be a spoiler so if anyone wants to know what it is then it'll have to be in the light novel thread.

Also I don't think Crunchyroll's translations for this episode was that bad. I mean I would have prefer if they gave the audience more credit and wrote out the period names in Japanese rather than just saying 15th or 18th century. Other than that I thought they got the feel and words right.

okay.... let's clear every points I get from this episode :
1. Karen Vs Koyomi is very chaotic... reminded me a lot with Dragonball... but Koyomi's lecture to Karen is very very good.... (what the hell... I see Karen's flag.... incest route is open)

2. I don't get anything about their talking... since everything just LIE and FAKE, I think every points they said are pointless.. so maybe I'll just ignore everything and believe that everything will be okay... the conversation between Kaiki and Hitagi only to clear some Hitagi's past

3. I don't know what's happening after Hitagi said "Be gentle with me tonight"... well, Koyomi wakes up in his house and no Hitagi detected... Is it just another troll??? nah!everything depends on our imagination... lol

"be carefull to not fall in love with me. it would be incestuous..."
"i'm already in love nii-chan"

i fell of my chair when karen said that...

but man this episode was great, i was looking foward for koyomi vs karen although they could've used more violence the art was also a good way to show the fight. and that hug was beautiful...mainly tears were shed

also...hitagi-chan and koyomi onii-san omedeto~

i'm still a karen x araragi shipper thou

also lol 'using bra is a pain so i'm not' and 'any man will do' koyomi is a genious

@SolFalling/ominon: So Hitagi's parents were together even after the crab took away her weight/thoughts, I thought the crab released her from the memories of her mother, but I guess that was not the case... if the answering that is a spoiler, quote the question in the novel thread.

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That's freaking hot. Where are the doujins!?

I would really love to read that, and more so admire Hitagi's confused face when she realizes that she is pleasuring two people with her body

@SolFalling/ominon: So Hitagi's parents were together even after the crab took away her weight/thoughts, I thought the crab released her from the memories of her mother, but I guess that was not the case... if the answering that is a spoiler, quote the question in the novel thread.

I would really love to read that, and more so admire Hitagi's confused face when she realizes that she is pleasuring two people with her body

She had her feelings taken away. What that means is that she was in poker face mode for the past two years. At least that's what I believe.

-Needless to say, in the novel there was no environment destruction.
-Araragi said to Karen that if she was going to be unreasonable he would have kissed her another time. Karen replied that she already lost something important, so she doesn't fear anything anymore.
-Karen: "In my eyes an iron fist, in my teeth an iron fist too"
Araragi: "The more you talk the more you look like a stupid"
-Karen complains that Araragi never told her things like "Hold on", "Don't lose", "Get him".
-Araragi couldn't see the second attack. The first time Karen wasn't going easy, the second time she was serious.
-Kanbaru would have been deeply moved if she heard Araragi calling her the biggest pervert.
-Araragi managed to grab one of her ankles, she used that as a pivot leg and tread on his flank. He felt like his internal organs have been crushed. He didn't let her ankle go, but after three kick he couldn't resist anymore. This scene is portrayed slightly different in the anime.
-Patting Shinobu's head is a sign of obedience between vampires. Washing Shinobu's hair had a nuance like that too.
-Araragi reflected on how arrogant he was in thinking he could have killed Karen on the spur of the moment.
-Karen had become so strong in so little time Araragi thought her master was the Grand Elder (the one in Namek saga of Dragon Ball). She was so out of place she must have been an anime original character.
-Araragi was bleeding. He would have later offered that blood to Shinobu as an apology.
-When Karen attacked him with a kakato otoshi (axe heel), Araragi felt he wouldn't have been able to stop the blow, but in actuality that was just a feint.
-When Karen used the capoeira move, Araragi felt like he was striken with a wooden bat. His arms became numb. He never thought an attack from a handstand could do so much damage.
-Since Karen was in a weak physical condition, she was using inertia and the centrifugal force to attack.
-From this point the fight was skipped in the anime. Karen used her legs as sickles when kicking Araragi's shins, as scissors in the neck throw and then as whips in kicking him while downed. Araragi resorted to throw stones at a middle schooler. Karen intercepted the stones with a kick and the kick disintegrated them.
-Araragi remarked Karen was too strong, "1/12th model of Sister Princess" (a dating sim where the main characters had 12 sisters). Karen replied those were normal sisters.
-Karen attacks Araragi with a rolling sobat, and then kicked him another two times in the head. He felt like Anpanman when he received a new face from Uncled Jam (in other words like his face has been blown off).
-Araragi remarked Karen was spinning so much he was like an electric fan. "1/6th model of Futakoi" (a story about six pairs of twins). Karen pointed out she and Tsukihi weren't twins. It seems originally that was the setting though.
-Karen jumped on Araragi's shoulders, then jumped again and she was going for a knee drop. Araragi remarked she was "1/5th model of Happy Lesson". Karen replied those weren't sister but mothers.
-Araragi evaded the knee drop by creeping away, Karen spinned in mid air and landed safely, then wrapped her legs around Araragi's arms and her arms around his neck.
-Araragi is confused about the martial art school Karen attends too. She uses moves from karate, judo, jujitsu, capoeira, jet kune do...
-Karen: "I know from experience that a choke can make you swoon nicely. I wanted to use it on my brother once"
Araragi: "Who is the guy who choked you? I won't forgive him!"
Karen: "It was you!" {it was mentioned in the first chapters}
Karen: "I'll settle a long standing grudge"
Araragi: "You are changing your objective..."
-Karen's physical conditions were too bad so the choke had no effect. Araragi shook her off his back, then they got up. Araragi aimed at grabbing her jersey, Karen dodged it but received a headbutt. Araragi had to close his eyes for that, Karen entered his blind spot and hit him with a chop in his temple. He collapsed on the asphalt, but got up immediately after that.
-"Cleaning up after another" in Japanese is literally "cleaning one's butt". Talk about innuendo.

-Kaiki met Senjougahara and Araragi on the rooftop of a department store. They specifically didn't want to meet Kaiki in a closed room or a deserted place. On that rooftop there actually was a small amusement park and a stage where they were projecting a sentai show. This is faithful to the novel
-Kaiki says that when the words and the heart don't match, it is hasty to deem the words as lies. Maybe it was the heart the lie.
-Kaiki laughs like a crow.
-Kaiki says he is only thinking about escape, and for that he is willingly complying to what Senjougahara and Araragi say. Araragi is puzzled over why Kaiki even came there in the first place.
-Kaiki says that until he received the phone call he had forgotten about Senjougahara.
-Kaiki talks about shogi. He says it is a low level game, but in competition it's timed so the important thing is to think things fast. This is true in life as well. Kaiki says people who think too much are as easy to deceive as people who don't think at all.
-Kaiki came thinking he would have been killed.
-Senjougahara asked him why he came back to this city, and Kaiki replied he had forgotten he has already been there. He came there because he heard there appeared a vampire, the king of kaii. It was also a good place for occult-related things (because it was an air pocket for spirits).
-After Kaiki went away, Araragi thought that unlike Oshino he actually said a proper goodbye, although it was insincere. Araragi also regretted he did nothing that could have looked cool to her sister, although he though he passed the test.
-When Araragi replied that Senjougahara saved herself on her own, he regretted not being able to say something more cool.
-It seems Senjougahara disliked Oshino because he resembled Kaiki, although to be exact Kaiki is the one she hates.
-For Araragi Kaiki is a natural enemy. It wouldn't be strange if the next time they met they would try to kill each other.

-Tsukihi was mad at Karen for sneaking away without saying anything. Araragi was puzzled at how they arrived at that yuri scene (it seems there is a myth that you can heal a cold with body warmth).
-For now Araragi avoided talking his sisters about kaii, though he thought one day not so far away he would have been able to introduce them to Shinobu.