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NX2's will get fully 'fixed' for production. Here's a few info-bits to address some of the concerns;

- Better fit of the toecap, but no huge design-change like adding a 'hard' bridge on the top over the toes. Improved material on the webbing.
- Better position of the toecap (slightly higher/steeper angle), so hand-adjustment while getting in is less likely needed.
- Making the LSR-buckles even more buttery-smooth to slap open, especially when you have em cranked down supertight (which is not really needed, but hey to everyone their own, and lets make that work).
- Better locked position of the medial adjustment-latch on the toecap, so they don't pop up while riding.
- Adding a 2nd adjustment position for the hiback&cable to the baseplate, so there is more boot-centering options for a better fit (along with the offset multi-disk).
- Way easier opening of the Snaplock, so Leo -and anyone else- can get in&out like he was used to. (on the Demo samples the hiback-locks where indeed a bit too difficult to open, so yes this needed a few tweaks)
- Contrary to some information here, the heelcup will not get reduced in width, but there will be some small tweaks on the inside baseplate-washer/spacers, and the hiback SupportPanels, for better fit and ease of entry&exit.

Nothing crazy, just the expected little tweaks that sometimes stay hidden while testing with just a small group of testers but that do come up after a large customer-base testing like during these demo's.
So don't worry about the product, just lets all hope for more snow next season!!

did they do anything that u mentioned

03-07-2012 01:04 AM

solucien

NX2's will get fully 'fixed' for production. Here's a few info-bits to address some of the concerns;

- Better fit of the toecap, but no huge design-change like adding a 'hard' bridge on the top over the toes. Improved material on the webbing.
- Better position of the toecap (slightly higher/steeper angle), so hand-adjustment while getting in is less likely needed.
- Making the LSR-buckles even more buttery-smooth to slap open, especially when you have em cranked down supertight (which is not really needed, but hey to everyone their own, and lets make that work).
- Better locked position of the medial adjustment-latch on the toecap, so they don't pop up while riding.
- Adding a 2nd adjustment position for the hiback&cable to the baseplate, so there is more boot-centering options for a better fit (along with the offset multi-disk).
- Way easier opening of the Snaplock, so Leo -and anyone else- can get in&out like he was used to. (on the Demo samples the hiback-locks where indeed a bit too difficult to open, so yes this needed a few tweaks)
- Contrary to some information here, the heelcup will not get reduced in width, but there will be some small tweaks on the inside baseplate-washer/spacers, and the hiback SupportPanels, for better fit and ease of entry&exit.

Nothing crazy, just the expected little tweaks that sometimes stay hidden while testing with just a small group of testers but that do come up after a large customer-base testing like during these demo's.
So don't worry about the product, just lets all hope for more snow next season!!

02-11-2012 01:34 PM

Wiredsport

Next year you will have 4 options. Conventional Flow entry and strap with the addition of full sized ratchets, Conventional Flow entry and new Hybrid strap with full sized ratchets, New Nasty entry and Coventional strap with the addition of full sized ratchets, New Nasty entry and Hybrid strap with the addition of full sized ratchets. When these are released in the Fall, stop by a shop and kick into each and see which one works best for your foot and your boots.

02-11-2012 01:23 PM

Ryan_T

I expected this. Hopefully the tweaks will be enough, I'm glad I still have my 2012 FSE to hold me over. Haha.

Sounds like a complete need for a redesign (heel cup, straps) from Flow on this binding. Sad to see a product come half baked to market......with so many unanswered questions.

It's more just tweaks. They are just reducing the width of the heelcup. Only the toe strap needs work. The highback lock I'm not sure of. Should be one of those things you need to get used to.

Their new entry system works like a charm. The straps stay locked and are responsive once you are in. The ratchets work buttery smooth and the ratchet lock does not at all impede your quick exit via ratchets when needed. The release tab on the ratchet is also the lock tab. You just give them a small slap down and it locks. When exiting via ratchets, you do the same thing as any other traditional ratchet. They release very smoothly.

By the way, these bindings were super light.

02-11-2012 12:26 PM

Sick-Pow

Sounds like a complete need for a redesign (heel cup, straps) from Flow on this binding. Sad to see a product come half baked to market......with so many unanswered questions.

Did you just try the hybrid cap strap or did you try the traditional fusion strap too???

Seems like the fusion might be the way to go if they don't tweak the cap enough before production...

I wanted to, but figured I would gain nothing from it (meaning I wanted to demo other bindings I haven't tried). I have been riding Flows for about 5 seasons. I even told the reps, at this point, I prefer their power cap design.

I would not get pressure points with the power caps as that design inherently prevents stuff like toe pinches which is what I experienced with the new strap. The power cap on the NX2 line lifts high up just like the rest. Looks very good. I only handled it.

02-10-2012 03:06 PM

danm

Quick question for anyone who demo'd these...

Did you just try the hybrid cap strap or did you try the traditional fusion strap too???

Seems like the fusion might be the way to go if they don't tweak the cap enough before production...

02-10-2012 10:25 AM

Wiredsport

Great info Leo. Of our guys who got to try them there was foot size 8, 10 and 12. The Size 8 said he needed to spend a good amount of time at first adjusting. It took him a run of tweaking to position the strap adjustments well so that they were comfy, after that it worked as expected. The two larger boots had no issues (which is why I asked about your boot sizes). Once dialed in all were majorly impressed. I had to bail on going to WP so I can't add anything first hand (bummed).

As for the Toe Cap, go to :45 in the vid below. I do see a quick hand adjsutment at entry sometimes to get perfect alignment on the boot and I imagine this will become more/less of a factor on different boots. As with all bindings, havind the time to perfect positions, etc is a huge factor. We already heard here on the forum that Flow will be making at least one adjustment from the working proto to the production ready binding so possibly others are in the works.

Never Summer has done this numerous times with their graphics. Union has tweaked their toe straps last year after demo days. Flow confirmed that at the very least, they are reducing the width of the heelcup in the NX2 line. They said that these demo pairs were made a bit too wide.

What boot sizes do you guys have? Not in any way questioning your experience with these, but it is just the exact opposite of what we were hearing/feeling up there. Tons of raves on the hill for the new Hybrid/Nasty setup. I guess feets will aways be feets though.

Dave has size 11 TM2 boots and I had size 10 Burton TWC boots. Don't get me wrong, once strapped in, the bindings worked very well. It's just that we both experienced the same pressure points. However, Dave and I fully acknowledged that this problem might be possibly eliminated if we had the time to personally adjust them fully.

Even the reps, they weren't just tent guys, told us they had the same issue with the toe caps. You have to fiddle with them when you step in because the webbing on the top folds under itself as you slide your boot in. Our midwest rep asked for my honest feedback and I told him that I think that toe cap needs the hard piece over the top of the webbing like the one below it. Although it would 100% look like a Ride ThinGrip with that fix. He completely agreed with me and said that is exactly what he was thinking.

The highback lock issue is something you have to get used to. The technique to unlock it is completely different from their usual clip in locks. I never had to bend my boot forward to unlock my '10 FSE like that.

I just think this new design needs a little more time. The rep brought up the point that this was a drastic change. Flow didn't just make minor changes, they were drastic changes and they expected some kinks. Since Flow is already making a change to the heelcup for production, hopefully they make other minor tweaks especially to the toe cap.

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