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Many idle games do require a lot of input from players or have sped up gameplay with an active player.
For example, in something like Clicker Heroes, if you didn’t have constant input, you wouldn’t be able to make much progress and an hour active gets you further than idling for a week as you wouldn’t be able to upgrade and thus get further.

burran is not part of the developer team of Rise of Champions.
I’m personally against having a badge for reaching level 20; that would take too long. I’d say:
Reach level 10: Easy/Medium
Defeat the Story quest “Obelisk of Kayur”: Medium
Get the Keep to level 3/4: Medium/Hard
Level 10 unlocks the Arena, and the game has a progress bar to that specifically (or at least, did before I got to level 10 a while ago)
The Obelisk of Kayur quest is the second quest if you’re progressing through the storyline quests; it also unlocks a split between an optional line and more storyline. I’d say that’s a good place to have a badge for.
The keep level takes time, but at level 3 it’s not too bad; it’s a goal that also makes the party you have stronger, and unlocks more functions of the game.

Just like Tyrant? Just like Yu-gi-Oh BAM? How many times has this same picture been repeated? If you like your crappy MMO go ahead and play it, nobody stops you, just stop trying to plug it here and take the spotlight from legit games and game developers instead with these locust cash-grab MMO devs.
By the way how much do they pay you?

> *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8944935):***
>
> Just like Tyrant? Just like Yu-gi-Oh BAM? How many times has this same picture been repeated? If you like your crappy MMO go ahead and play it, nobody stops you, just stop trying to plug it here and take the spotlight from legit games and game developers instead with these locust cash-grab devs.
>
> By the way how much do they pay you?
I don’t see any issue with badges being retired. I never have.
People take badges too seriously. The more the merrier. If you can’t earn it for whatever reason(including it being literally impossible to obtain) then so what?

I’m sorry, did I offend you somehow? Or do you just like to attack people for liking MMOs?
You seem to not get the point: Greg has posted that Rise of Champions is going to get badge(s). Is there something wrong with talking about it, then?
I understand how it’s annoying to have someone talk about a game that’s not relevant; as such, I have in this very thread asked others to not talk about the game before recent.

> *Originally posted by **[bobby71983](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8944959):***
> > *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8944935):***
> >
> > Just like Tyrant? Just like Yu-gi-Oh BAM? How many times has this same picture been repeated? If you like your crappy MMO go ahead and play it, nobody stops you, just stop trying to plug it here and take the spotlight from legit games and game developers instead with these locust cash-grab devs.
> >
> > By the way how much do they pay you?
>
> I don’t see any issue with badges being retired. I never have.
>
> People take badges too seriously. The more the merrier. If you can’t earn it for whatever reason(including it being literally impossible to obtain) then so what?
Did you know that the only thing going on for this site compared to the others used to be the badges?

I like most of the ideas. I am strongly against badging Rise of Champions, but it seems like others have discussed that already.
I would also suggest shorter badges only (easy/medium) for Decision 3. The game is fun, but takes a long time to complete and the endgame adds nothing new to the gameplay. A hard badge would just be tedious in my opinion.
Let me close with a rant in regards to the recently-badged Strike Force Kitty 2:
Please stop badging games with extreme memory leak problems. I am frankly appalled that it received any at all. Do you actually play the game, or read any of the player comments before making these decisions? 95% of comments are complaining about the lag issue, one of them citing that flash had 1.3 million objects orphaned after playing 3-4 levels of the game. Judging the quality of a game is hard and subjective, but you should at least use the few objective measures available such as bugs and memory leaks.

> I am strongly against badging Rise of Champions, but it seems like others have discussed that already.
Regardless, our opinions will only matter on which badges the game will get; administrators or such have already decided that it _will_ be badged.

> *Originally posted by **[dudemcbob](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8946518):***
>
> I like most of the ideas. I am strongly against badging Rise of Champions, but it seems like others have discussed that already.
>
> I would also suggest shorter badges only (easy/medium) for Decision 3. The game is fun, but takes a long time to complete and the endgame adds nothing new to the gameplay. A hard badge would just be tedious in my opinion.
>
> Let me close with a rant in regards to the recently-badged Strike Force Kitty 2:
>
> Please stop badging games with extreme memory leak problems. I am frankly appalled that it received any at all. Do you actually play the game, or read any of the player comments before making these decisions? 95% of comments are complaining about the lag issue, one of them citing that flash had 1.3 million objects orphaned after playing 3-4 levels of the game. Judging the quality of a game is hard and subjective, but you should at least use the few objective measures available such as bugs and memory leaks.
Yes. The admins play through the games thoroughly before badging. Strikeforce kitty 2 had a little problem but that is not the requirement for badging. A lot of people already told this to Greg before it got badges but it got badges anyway. It didn’t stop me from earning those badges anyway and you can reduce quality.

A problem with games is you can always find people complaining they lag and you will rarely find people saying “wow that game is great it doesn’t lag”. This leads to it appearing like a greater % of people have issues with the game than actually do. Furthermore in SFK2 case the game didn’t lag at all when I first played it and it was only after the game received badges and the developer updated the game that it began to lag for me.
Time for badge suggesting.
Not sure what is top of greg’s list but I think Kana Warrior has quite a few possibilities and is very challenging. greg would have to decide whether he wants to badge the whole game or just give it an easy badge to attract people to the game as Japanese players have an advantage over most with it being there language used (Sorry if thats wrong).
But if greg doesn’t mind that I wouldn’t mind seeing a badge for making it all the way through the game and it would be one of the harder hard badges on the site in my opinion.
Also the free play mode could be used for a medium badge possibly.

1) Rise of Champions is a well-built and well-maintained game with a combat style and pvp focus often underrepresented in MMO games. It also has regular updates and an attentive dev team. That’s pretty impressive since the entire dev team consists of three people.
2) I would rather take a power sander to the eyeballs than fight The Obelisk, badge or no badge. I’m not the only RoC player who has a similar, if less hyperbolic, opinion. The Obelisk is one of the hardest battles in the game and I believe there are plenty of other challenges that are better suited for a badge.

> *Originally posted by **[bobby71983](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8944959):***
>
> People take badges too seriously. The more the merrier. If you can’t earn it for whatever reason(including it being literally impossible to obtain) then so what?
The more the merrier isn’t really the issue. Spending time badging one game detracts from time spent on badging others. The constraint here is man-power, not games.
And I know this isn’t a great argument, but its just really annoying not being able to obtain badges from dead games.

> *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8942931):***
> > *Originally posted by **[Bluji](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8942424):***
> > > *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=113#posts-8941222):***
> > >
> > > Since when does a level 10 care about badges? Are you part of that game’s staff or do you just post to get other people mad at you?
> >
> > Since when have level 10 people not been allowed to voice their opinions?
>
> Not the point. Why does he care?
For those of you coming at me for wanting badges despite being lvl 10… whats that have anything to do with it? I could care less about the actual badge, the entire purpose for me would be to increase player activity in a certain game, in this case, Rise of Champions. Its a great game and adding badges lures in new players, the more who like it and stay for many months into the future, the better.
Add a badge = loads more players = more community = game longevity and longer support by developers = more fun for the hardcore flash-MMO addicts like myself who want an online game for old computer hardware.
When you play an MMO 10 hours a day for 8 months straight, theres nothing worse than a dwindling community to eventually make you regret all the time you sunk into it, so lets get these badges on the roll for Rise of Champions and make a stronger community!
PS. Im fully aware I have no life – but those of you hunting for badges to reach lvl 65 on kong or whatever the cap is, are equally lifeless.

> Add a badge = loads more players = more community = game longevity and longer support by developers = more fun for the hardcore flash-MMO addicts like myself who want an online game for old computer hardware.
I’m glad to see you eager for an MMO, but what’s more likely is that people will play for a week or so to get the badges and then disappear. If the MMO really is dying, a badge won’t help that much.
Rise of Champions seems a fairly standard MMO for me (I had apparently played to level 8 a while back and forgotten about it completely). I feel “meh” about badges on it; I don’t remember how linear the tutorial portion of the game is, which might drop it below “meh”.

I don’t see any issue with MMOs getting badges and overall I think the number that are getting them has gone past the stage where I thought to many are getting badges so I don’t see an issue with RoC getting some.
And I hunted my badges happilly over 6 years to get to level 65 coming back ever couple of days to get the points, I have a life, its of an achievement who…arder, Hoarder thats the word I was going for.

> *Originally posted by **[burranndonnnn](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8949144):***
> > *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8942931):***
> > > *Originally posted by **[Bluji](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=114#posts-8942424):***
> > > > *Originally posted by **[Psychatog](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=113#posts-8941222):***
> > > >
> > > > Since when does a level 10 care about badges? Are you part of that game’s staff or do you just post to get other people mad at you?
> > >
> > > Since when have level 10 people not been allowed to voice their opinions?
> >
> > Not the point. Why does he care?
>
> For those of you coming at me for wanting badges despite being lvl 10… whats that have anything to do with it? I could care less about the actual badge, the entire purpose for me would be to increase player activity in a certain game, in this case, Rise of Champions. Its a great game and adding badges lures in new players, the more who like it and stay for many months into the future, the better.
>
> Add a badge = loads more players = more community = game longevity and longer support by developers = more fun for the hardcore flash-MMO addicts like myself who want an online game for old computer hardware.
>
> When you play an MMO 10 hours a day for 8 months straight, theres nothing worse than a dwindling community to eventually make you regret all the time you sunk into it, so lets get these badges on the roll for Rise of Champions and make a stronger community!
>
> PS. Im fully aware I have no life – but those of you hunting for badges to reach lvl 65 on kong or whatever the cap is, are equally lifeless.
Do they pay you by the letter or by the word?

> *Originally posted by **[1williamsg](/forums/1/topics/380539?page=115#posts-8949187):***
>
> I don’t see any issue with MMOs getting badges and overall I think the number that are getting them has gone past the stage where I thought to many are getting badges so I don’t see an issue with RoC getting some.
What if they pull the plug on this dime-a-dozen MMO? Why should Kong endorse this much this crappy business model of squeezing pennies and moving on to the next bandwagon MMO instead of rewarding other much better game developers?