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No, Chuck B's defense was not better period. Yes these two games sucked, overall we are much better on defense.

This is two games. Our defensive players blow, you are all blind if you think otherwise. They have sucked for years and finally improved a bit this year, got hit with teh injury bug, and our strength at DT has underperformed. This is a player issue, not a coaching issue.

Let it all out, yell, scream, cuss until your belly hurts. This is the first stage of our transition.

Trust me when I say this, Allen, McKenzie, Tarver, Davis, they see the same things that we do and they're not happy either. You guys are going off on this bunch like they think that this crap that we have called football the last two weeks is acceptable? Well it isn't, not to us and not to them.

I know this is the NFL, parity and all that crap and we see teams make a one year turn around, but teams that make that turn around have a plan, they have most of the pieces in place so that one good draft, or a couple of FA aquisitions fill the bill and they're off to the playoffs.

This is not us, not yet.

By your own admission you should see that this is not a one year deal. Hell, most here that have a clue have us minus talent at no less that six positions. Just how in the hell was anyone going to get that done with limited draft picks and limited cash?

Hue Jackson? Gruden? Parcells? They could do better? Hell it was Jackson's quasi attempt to be general manager that set up the final chapter of this event, plain and simple.

I support free speech and all but some of this drivel is just plain not true and the next two years, barring talent not being available or some freak injury, will prove the doubters wrong, you will see.

Sign on for the long term plan, that way when the window for competitiveness is open for like five years you can all say that you saw it coming....

Let it all out, yell, scream, cuss until your belly hurts. This is the first stage of our transition.

Trust me when I say this, Allen, McKenzie, Tarver, Davis, they see the same things that we do and they're not happy either. You guys are going off on this bunch like they think that this crap that we have called football the last two weeks is acceptable? Well it isn't, not to us and not to them.

I know this is the NFL, parity and all that crap and we see teams make a one year turn around, but teams that make that turn around have a plan, they have most of the pieces in place so that one good draft, or a couple of FA aquisitions fill the bill and they're off to the playoffs.

This is not us, not yet.

By your own admission you should see that this is not a one year deal. Hell, most here that have a clue have us minus talent at no less that six positions. Just how in the hell was anyone going to get that done with limited draft picks and limited cash?

Hue Jackson? Gruden? Parcells? They could do better? Hell it was Jackson's quasi attempt to be general manager that set up the final chapter of this event, plain and simple.

I support free speech and all but some of this drivel is just plain not true and the next two years, barring talent not being available or some freak injury, will prove the doubters wrong, you will see.

Sign on for the long term plan, that way when the window for competitiveness is open for like five years you can all say that you saw it coming....

Couldn't agree more!! I'll add my two cents and say this team has not had a consistancy in coaching,scheme,technique,fundementals,players and I think most importantly an identity since Gruden . The only identity we had is that teams knew eventually we would make a mistake and give the game away(I can hear Schottenheimer saying it right now). The most "consistant" game we had this year was against the Falcons,that was the team we COULD be if everyone is on the same page doing the right things at the right time.

We have not one player on defense that can single handily create pressure...two years ago look what wimbley did...another thing is now with him gone..they now scheme to pick up a blitz as opposed to focusing on the threat of blitz and worrying about him at end. We have less talent and its easy for opposing teams to offensively scheme against us.....it sux now..but I really feel we will start accumulating some defensive talent after this year.....

Elite players have job security and have one goal in mind, WIN THE SUPER BOWL. Then there are players that are just lucky to have a job and have only one goal in mind, KEEP THEIR JOB. Guess which players we have!?!?!