"Because the plot involved taking liquid explosives aboard planes in carry-ons, passengers at all U.S. and British airports, and those boarding U.S.-bound flights at other international airports, are banned from taking any liquids onto planes."

Sir, I'm going to have to take this bottle of water away from you since it might be a liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to mix it with all of these other bottles of possibly liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to dump them all in this trash can... together. Nevermind that the plot specifically mentions mixing chemicals and/or nitroglycerin... which explodes if handled too roughly.

On bOINGbOING this guy Gabe points out this North Carolina news story about a lady pouring her liquid that is not safe enough to bring on the plane into a bucket full of all the other liquids not safe enough to bring on the plane.

It's funny to watch unqualified administrative types try to formulate plans. Serious comedy. There should be a degree program for disaster programming. You can't build bridges without an engineering degree. Why should the lives of millions of people be in the hands of people with horse breeding backgrounds.

not Grounded (guest)

It's just a scam to boost sales for those items inside terminals and on planes. "No sir, I can't let you keep that sandwich; that mayo could be a concealed explosive. However, be sure to check out the lovely sub shop inside our airport."

not CMPalmer (guest)

Security doesn't equal convenience - the latest reports say that the explosive was a binary compound, so unless their pouring everything out into the same container or breaking the bottles, what's the problem? Also needs a detonator, which may be as simple as a spark, so maybe they need to cushion the bottles and not put them in the same trash as confiscated cigarette lights. And you need to stop whining - if they wanted to be smart about it, they'd just confiscate liquids from suspcious people, but that wouldn't be "fair", would it?

If the threat of my bottle of water is real, where's the fucking bomb squad to dispose of it. Think of the poor dump truck driver, getting paid less for a much worse job than the TSA guy, who is going to hit the compact button on his truck and get a piece of shrapnel in his ass.

not CMPalmer (guest)

not hqm (guest)

Most explosives need some kind of detonator, so dumping them in the wastebasket is probably safe.

Perhaps if we spent one tenth of the billions of dollars we are wasting on imbecile TSA security coolies on actually fighting Islamic terrorism, I would feel less like I'm being raped by the government.

For less than a billion, we could flood the entire mideast with new prophets who preach something besides medieval idiocy. Surely one of them would take hold. It's only because our own president is a borderline religious fundamentalist moron that we won't touch the real problem.

not CrackWilding (guest)

The Brits were talking about this being a two-part explosive. The fuel and the oxidant would be carried onboard separately. So no single part would be dangerous by itself. Thus, no need for the bomb squad.

I know how to make a binary explosive: take two specific powerful acids and mix them with glycerin. Here's the fun part: if you are a terrorist, you don't need a detonator at all, because that shit will just plain explode right there. I doubt that you could keep strong acids in a Nalgene, so you'd need something like a glass container for them. I hope it doesn't break when you throw it in the trash.

not hestheone (guest)

Don't be stoopid. Midterm elections are around the corner. A well financed Democratic incumbent got his ass handed to him by a nobody because he was rah rah for the war. Fear got George reelected. Fear will keep his party in control. No alerts for years and today it's 'Red'. Get use to it. Look for another sting operation every couple of weeks, and more frequent as time gets nearer. Do you think that if there were really a danger cars wouldn't have been going off like during the Troubles in Ireland?

not CMPalmer (guest)

hestheone:
Are you saying the alert is fake or the threat is fake (or manufactured by the U.S./Brits) or that we knew about it, but controlled the timing to distract everyone (like the cruise missiles in the Lewinsky affair) or get everyone back on track? Uh, when I write them all down like that, they all sound pretty stupid, so never mind the rebuttal...

not monkoverboard (guest)

No detonators are required, we learn abt this stuff in HS Chem... someone who managed to pay attn in Chem 101, can make a true Molotov Cocktail, sans burning wick, just with things you find under the sink...

soon were are going to have take every flight naked, so that there is no chance of anything we have near our persons being some sort of incindiary device

not loadrunner (guest)

I'm just glad you all aren't in charge of security. Read together, there are about 5 different "truths" about how to make liquid bombs, how to detonate them, how it's safe (or unsafe) to dispose of them, and what we should *really* be doing to fight this fight.
And might I add what a bunch of babies we've become? "I hated flying before, but now I really hate it because I can't carry my sippy cup with me! Everybody sucks!" Imagine what the settlers would think of us?

not loadrunner (guest)

They cought te bad guys, i hope. why donbt they use a explosive dog, or something like that. I heard about an rusian security invention, it is an sort of bombfree container( like an elevator with two doors) everyone has to pass it, inside a sort of vibration will detonate all kind of explosives, this way only the bomber will die.

not HomelandDefense (guest)

not loadrunner (guest)

Calcium carbide CaC2 is almost free to get everywhere in europe, it has no smell, no dog can smell it, combined with water you will ge Acetylene gas CaC2(s) + 2 H2O(l) -> Ca(OH)2(s) + C2H2(g), inside an smal room( airplane toilet) you can create an fatal explosion using only 100 gram, just by adding water, and light it

not loadrunner (guest)

not madmominminivan (guest)

not mexaguil (guest)

This is just all a big political stunt to keep you all americans in fear. Then you will keep voting the neo-conservatist in and allow them to take more and more of your liberites away. Its just so simple.

not loadrunner (guest)

Try mixing cola and sugar, and breath in the damp with it releases, notice that you feel dizzy. it happens now in the big blue tank too.
If the terrorists realy want to kill people they already did it, this way they create fear.

not trev (guest)

It's nice to know what our gov't can come up with when all our highly paid top officials just put their heads together and come up with a plan... Oh wait no, I was thinking of the top officials in most other countries; We're fucked.

not wtf (guest)

not tjroberts (guest)

I am throwning a giant TSIF flag at all this (the sky is falling)

a. explosives that would cause any serious damage to the aircraft (i.e. "blow up") are probably higher order explosives - that require a "detonation chain" such as a blasting cap, or another significant shock to cause them to explode. Mixing them in a container (i.e. dumping out your starbucks) will not cause them to detonate, or react. I think maybe they were going to use a slurry explosive (water-jel, used in mining operations)from what i have read. You can literally light this stuff on fire with a lighter, it will not "Explode" unless detonated with a blasting cap. These explosives detonate in the range of 12,000 - 30,000 fps (feet per second), causing the damage.

a2. a lot of the "information" is speculation at this point. again, chicken little.

b. the sad part is that TSA screeners have a poor "catch" rate for screening for banned items anyways. Sorry i don't have the links, but google it - you can find out the stats online.

not StarbucksIsGOD (guest)

Starbucks is too expensive to just pour out. I'd guzzle that shit down REAL fast before I'd waste it. *noddles*

Plus, I always fly airtran, and if you miss your flight you can catch another one that same day with no penalty. I'd just take the time to check the rest of my stuff so it can arrive behind me. I never travel completely alone, so I'd send someone ahead to pick up the first of the checked luggage, and I'd arrive behind them so we can get the rest together. I WASTE NOTHING! (Why yes, I am cheap as hell.)

not DC (guest)

Concentrated acids keep fine in Nalgene bottles for short periods, but may not for extended periods (months-years) where purity remains a concern. I am head of waste disposal for my research lab, and there are a number of spontaneously explosive chemical mixtures which require no detonator or significant shock, though these will initiate explosion on a more predictable time scale. Some of these can be initiated with things found in the cleaner aisle at the grocery store or at the pool supply shop. The TSA having everyone dump their bottles of unknown liquids together is absolutely a bad idea from a standpoint of someone wanting to create noxious or explosive hazards in the airport. If this had been passed by an OSHA or EPA inspector before implemntation, they probably would have suggested collecting the intact containers for analysis before mixing and properly disposing of the contents.

not dslfreak (guest)

just my 2 cents..

A) mid terms are here and thus the alerts amazing how the 2 are so coincidently linked arent they.

B) after watching mythbusters blow up a window from a plane, and seeing how that nothing like a person was sucked out my only concern from a passenger would be not blowing up the aircraft, only that im not near him.

C) 95% of the check bags are still not checked so I think passengers are the least of our concerns.

not fatyank (guest)

not SomeChemist (guest)

You know, unless the vast majority of liquids coming through the airport are explosives, this actually dilutes any chemicals that really could be used in explosives, right?

If terrorists are actually planning to make nitroglycerine (or TNT, or any of a number of explosive compounds) on the plane, dilution of the reactants is sufficient security--all they need is a bucket with some water in it.

The reaction rate is slowed down when the reactants are diluted. Even more, dilution of the reactants with water shifts the reaction equilibrium, meaning less explosive material is formed even if you wait for the reaction to reach equilibrium.

not meh (guest)

not matthew247 (guest)

Nice catch here, I've posted a link to your page in comments on a couple other sites. I swear, I saw this going down on TV but didn't even think about it until I read about it on BoingBoing, then it hit me like a thunderbolt. The only explanation that I can see is that TSA knows the liquids pose no danger whatsover, otherwise they'd have to have hazmat guys disposing of this stuff. The whole thing is one big mindfuck!

not hmmmh (guest)

Hm.. how about they make it extra safe for everyone? fly in your underwear, and perform a cavity search for all passengers, and don't allow anyone who has eaten beans the day before to fly. and no real clothes allowed as thoses could contain all sorts of things.

Seriously, why do baby trolleys have a priviledge of going thru the metal detector without being scanned or searched? I don't remember having seen ANY (white baby's) trolley been put to extensive search.
And why is breast milk an exception?
Why don't they do body searches on babies too? Not once have I seen it done.

not RTFW (guest)

Read the warning. You can bring some things in checked bagage.
NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE. ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.

not saracen (guest)

dude, this shit is all BS. It's all perfect timing to take the world's eyes off of the murder and rape of Lebanon. Israel's prepping 30,000 soldiers to move in for the annihalation. Now everyone's just thinking about planes, liquid bombs, and terrorism.

not Yet (guest)

The officiails do their best to keep it safe for us, even it takes a lot of us. Try to keep polite, and so everyone can be more relaxed. Now everyone knows the new rules, everything can go a lot faster... I hope they will get the other guys who wanted to use explosives. If i beliefe in God, i should pray for everyone(But i don't, so can only hope). And please do not forget the War in Israel and Libanon. Where people are being killed, becouce of the same reason(A diffrent way of living and thinking). And i hope the terorists know, that they will never win this mess! I heard :here in the Netherlands, there are 8 F16 already loaded, and ready to escort a B-25 to strike back hard( and i mean very hard)... only one bomb has to go off here, and only one bomb wil go off there.........

not loadrunner (guest)

But there is a danger of chemical reacting with water: lithium, sodium, potassium, rubidium, cesium, and francium. etc mixed in pure alcohol they have no reaction, in water it gives a big explosion: http://www.answers.com/topic/alkali-metal

not MsComment (guest)

not ochord (guest)

LOL! This is ridiculous. Next time, the evil plot hatched by phantom 'terrorists' will probably involve swallowing condoms filled with liquid explosives before boarding. And if you're still queueing up for the security check at that point you've probably got a serious penchant for latex. In the meantime, maybe this will make a tiny dent in international air travel, giving our glorious leaders just a leedle beet longer for a last-ditch attempt to get control of the oil reserves of Iraq and Iran before Peak Oil really starts to kick in. Whatever. SNAFU. Y'all have a nice day now!

not ochord (guest)

not fivepercentyak (guest)

I remember in 9th grade science we did some chickenshit experiment and when we were done and cleaning up, I poured the foodcolored water and vinegar into the same graduated cylander and the teacher went crazy. "Never EVER mix chemicals unless you know exactly what will happen!!!!" Well, I knew that nothing would happen, the expected result was essentially a crappy vinegrette, and the teacher way overreacted, but the point is valid when your talking about a bunch of unknown substances. You never know what crazy reaction will happen when you mix unknown chemicals together. Maybe the water will dilute anything reactive, but you cant assume that is the case (some things react with water) or even that the majority of the liquids in any one recepticle will necesarily be water. And like someone else already pointed out. Now all the terrorists need to do is wait until the bin has been emptied (so there are no neutralizing substances), and dump two reactive chemicals in and blow up the security checkpoint.

not 8b (guest)

not skeezix (guest)

Think of the fuel savings for the airlines w/o all that liquid weight aboard- they should all be out of bankruptcy shortly. BTW, wouldn't a very highly pressurized container of something nasty in an unpressurized baggage compartment be enough to do real damage? Isn't this why some aerosol items et al can't be air freighted?

not KodaK (guest)

Remember: there is an alternative to the airlines. Going on a short trip? Charter a small general aviation (GA) plane to take you. There are thousands of small airports all over the country that can get you closer to your destination than those flying buses can. Fly GA! It's probably cheaper than a ticket, and definitely less hassle.

not confused (guest)

Couldn't someone check in with the intent to blow up the airport by handing over liquid explosives at the baggage check, seems like it would work rather well by what I've seen in the past few days. my truly biggest gripe with this is all countries involved only ever make a security precaution for things already tried and the terrorists try something new everytime, what this says to me is that whatever form the next attack takes, we are currently not prepared for it. such a narrow focus....

not sudont (guest)

First off, I thought they caught the guys - in England! So why all this nonsense.
Regardless, it's perfectly useless. They're not checking checked-in luggage, nor do they check cargo, or not much of it anyway. One could easily put their bomb in that, and detonate it with a cell phone call or timer device. And indeed, they're encouraging people to put the "banned" items in their check-in luggage. Of course, your bomb might end up on the wrong plane....

not hestheone (guest)

Yeah. That's right. There is no conspiracy. The most dangerious guy in America is an ice cream salesman who lied about a side trip while on an educational holiday. Or is it the 7 crazy Jamacian shampoo salesmen who were conned into a demolition scam? 13 million can cross the open boarders but not one actually plant a bomb or get ahold of a gun except to rob a liquor store. Of course 60 million Brits and 295 million Americans have kissed personal liberty good bye - but what the hell. We're winning on all fronts.

Aloha from Kauai, Hawaii,
It has to be clear to all that there is so much dis-information. lies and manipulation of "facts" by the Bush Regime that we are often left with "CONSPIRACY THEORIES" that are more foolish than the government.........

We, in my opinion, need to not waste our time on the foolish or fantastic.. THERE MUST BE A UNITED FRONT TO REMOVE THE BUSH REGIME & HIS CRIMINAL SUPPORTERS FROM GOVERNMENT !!!
D.Michael Van De Veer
Co-Host OUT OF THE BOX KKCR-FM www.kkcr.org

not USAisNUTS (guest)

not justme (guest)

listen up if the ragheads wanted to bomb the place they would fuck up the electricity grid, pour e-coli into the water works and play around with a little phosporous or some shit that ignites when aired. There are so many ways to skin a cat, why do the authorities keep coming up with the plane malarky. Answer, cause they love planes, like crashing thim into twin towers, dropping bombs and all sorts on ragheads, dreaming up northwood type scams and SHOWING ON SATTELITE BBC NEWS THE IRAQI MAN THE TROOPS KILLED IN IRAQ AND WRAPPED IN CELOPHANE (REMEMBER HIM) AS A ONE TIME TERRORIST BOMBER CAPTURED IN THE WEST...I KID YOU NOT. THEY REALLY THINK THE SHEEPLE ARE STOOPID

not elevenbravo (guest)

brilliant...just brilliant but the sheep will follow and shake in their boots and gleefully hand over their civil liberties at the next scare attack by bushie and friends. damn, this is really getting old. we need another excuse for the war against iran or syria or north korea or what ever country their little neo-con hearts covet, so they will ramp up the fear mongering to prep the sheep. just a tired old soldier seeing his country go to waist.

not drphunky (guest)

not JesseJones (guest)

CBS said this morning that the liquid explosive was TATP.--triacetone triperoxide--Which is an explosive where no nitro groups are present in the molecule. This explosive is NOT a liquid folks it is a crystalline base.

not AdamGhaznavi (guest)

To state the obvious, I'd advise everyone to pay REAL close attention to the wording of any resolution coming out of the UN right now & see wether it affords any opportunity to engineer a pretext to draw Syria into an incident igniting conflict between Israel/ Syria to drag in Iran. & hey presto, the last gasp at propping up the petrodollar via the iran war.

not IraqiOilVet (guest)

It's all for effect. Propaganda. PSYOPs. The sheeple must be kept in a state of fear, so they make it as personal as possible to as many people as possible. The liquid confiscation is the convenienct means they are using to touch as many people as possible. Who among air travelers will no be carrying some sort of liquid, gel, or cream with them? The only way to better maximaize the psychological impact on the target audience would be to ban legs or arms. These bastards are master psyopers who know their target audience. By the way, the same technique is at work when it comes to support for their war for oil in Iraq. There's no draft becuase it would make the illegal war too personal to too many people. Instead, the war stays personal to only about 450 thousand people in the U.S. instead of 100 million. If you've been paying attention, the sheeple are only just now starting to turn against this fascist administration because of the price of gas, which affects a large part of the popuation. You may not have served in Iraq or Afghanistan, or may not have experienced Hurricane katrina, but you damn sure notice when gas hovers around $3 per gallon.
Oh by the way, I was a US Army PSYOPer (MOS 37F) in Iraq in 2003. I know a little about propaganda.

not WAKEUP (guest)

not PirateNewsTV (guest)

Now when I fly, I always carry a copy of the Pentagon's declassified OPERATION NORTHWOODS confession, signed by Jewish Zionist Generall Lemnitzer, that confessed the US Govt perps terror bombings and hijackings of US airliners, in order to blame an innocent nation, as a pretext for war. If every airslave handed these documents to airport security screeners, the problem would be cured by the arrest of the terrorist Bush Gang. But 1,000s of airport screeners in USSA are illegal aliens, who can barely speak English, so they probably can't read NORTHWOODS. Free video downloads, including NORTHWOODS, at September911Surprise.com and PirateNews.org.

not Josh (guest)

I'm thinking, coat a whole bunch of small Mento's w/ a light shampoo, put it in a pearl drink. Pour into the security garbage can and wait two minutes for the shampoo to disolve and the mento's to react with any fizzy drink previously poured in.

not Northwoods (guest)

not Salut (guest)

Hitler and the Europeans kick their fat asses and they run to the midlle east saying 'holohoax holohoax' and begin killing the middle easterners. These terrorists have killed hundreds of thousands and continue their rampage. Let's stop funding these vermin and sending them bombs.

not Decider (guest)

not FEDUP (guest)

This is really unfuckingbeleivable.. If you are that fucking stupid to beleive this bullshit about this "un-foiled plot" don't read this.. My knowledge is not worth your ignorance.. Let's look at the coincidences as usual MOSAD.
* It was un-foiled on Thursday 08/10/06 the same day the UN was supposed to come out with the resolution between Israel and Lebanon. Do your research on Israel and let this bullshit media stop shoving this pro-Israel shit down your throats. Check out video.google.com and look for "peace, propoganda & the middle east" just for intro. Even if you type in Israel in the search enginge you'll find out more about this zionist propoganda. Or just goto www.iamthewitness.com.
* If this was really a terrorist plot and these terrorists were looking to terrorize and kill as many people as they can, don't you think they can kill more people blowing up their shit IN THE AIRPORT?? just common fucking sense if that's their goal.
* Last but defenitely not least, that was the only thing on all news channels yesterday forgetting about more and more Lebanese civilians dying due to the expanded force of the Israeli Army sending in more troops and dropping more bombs. Nothing as well was heard about how many inocent Muslims, Christians, and Jews alike have died yesterday in this "expanded offensive"

I would like to finish my statements by saying that Peace in the Middle East IS POSSIBLE. You will hear that from Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike all in the region. They live with no problems in any other area of the world except for Israel. Another cooincidence, I'm not that fucking stupid. The only way for peace in the Middle East is for THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION IN PALESTINE AND ALL THE GENOCIDE IN THAT AREA TO END!! Judge all of these filth bag sons of a bitch with their WAR CRIMES on both ends. I will never agree that killing mothers, fathers, kids of all types ESPECIALLY civilian who have nothing the fuck to do with these bullshit wars is EVER the right thing.. Check out the info I have posted and you will share my views on this EVERLASTING ISRAELI ZIONIST BULLSHIT and have hope that you will do what you can to pass it along. Also, just remember that if you were in a Palestinian's position here in America under an "occupation" with curfews and severe military shut-down, wouldn't YOU get up and fight for your freedom??? I know I would...

not ElBiggus (guest)

How about getting a handful of some alkali metal and chucking it in the bucket? Even if it doesn't do any physical damage it could at least make an almighty bang and scare the crap out of everyone. (If you can get hold of some caesium you'd *have* to dispose of it "properly" -- it's liquid at room temperature. :)

not bobthewounder (guest)

notjessiejones-

TATP is an unstable primary explosive. it takes some time to form so it would not be made ont he plane - it would serve in a very small qualtity (well under an ounce) as a detonatoe as it is sensitive to shock and fire. the explosive it's self that was planned to be used was likely some derivitive of astrolite - a combination of hydrazine (a clear liquid with the same density as water) and ammonium nitrate - an off white powder. the hydrazine could ahve been easily concealed as water and I have hurd suiggestions that the ammonium nitrate was to be concealed as powdered baby formula or milk. If a small amopunt of powdered aluminum is added to the ammonium nitrate the power of astrolite is not all that dissimilar to that of c-4, the explosive used in the pan am boming over lockerbie. According to published data that bomb consisted of no more than about 16 ounces of explosives. that would be a volume of astrolite equivalent to about 3/4s of a standard 12 ounce soda pop can. A standard can of formula and a small bottle of water would be more than sufficent to conceal more than enough material to bring down a jetliner.

while i admit restricting items that can be taken ont he plane is foolish, the potential to make such an explosive is very real. but what does this security matter anyways? with drug mules carrying about 2 pounds and in some reports as much as 10 lbs of contraband inside their bodies it's quite obvious that if they want to - it would still be easy to get the stuiff on board an airplane.

not bobthewounder (guest)

killgoretrout:

the information on that page is avalible easily via google. the whole point of that page is to allow easy, centralized acess to information on potentially hazardous chemicals to protect the saftey of those who may work with or come into contact with them.

taking resources like this offline doesnt make it any harder for those who want to case others harm to do so. however it might make it take a few more seconds to respond to an emergancy when the RIGHT people need this information fast.

idiots like you need to grow the hell up and quite expecting the government to baby people.

not Mel4President (guest)

Yeah, coincidental that this shut up all the alleged unproven quotes from Mel Gibson, who now jailed for 30 days in a Loony Bin Re-education Death Camp, for allegedly telling a Jewish copster the truth that Jews cause all the wars for the past 100 years. If Mel gets convicted of DUI, that makes him qualified to the president or vice president of USA, as proven by Cheney and Jr Bush, with 3 DUI convictions between them. This also silenced news of Israel's genicide against th Christian Semites and Arab Semites in Lebanon this week. The Israeli inveasion of Lebanon silenced all news of USA's genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the rape/murder trials of US soldiers in Iraq. These alleged airline terrorists in UK did NOT even have any explosives, as confessed in the fine print of news articles - it was just a "dry run", without the run. Infowars.com

not notLamont (guest)

> A well financed Democratic incumbent got his ass handed to him by a nobody because he was rah rah for the war.

Just to be clear for those who aren't following the story, Lieberman (incumbent) continues to support the war and repeats the stupid "if we even talk about pulling out then the terrorists will have won" crap. He's only gotten worse since losing the election.

His opponent, who has not held statewide or national public office but is a successful businessman, was the one who said "no more crap!"

There's some serious disconnects going on, and Lieberman is just the first of many incumbents to go down this year. It's become something of a game to find Republican incumbents (and state parties) that have not only sovieted all pictures of Bush from their site -- they've actually removed all references to being a Republican!

That is not the behavior you expect from people when their party controls the White House and both houses of congress. People are getting more pissed than scared and it will only get worse as people learn just how manufactured these threats are. That "terrorist cell" in Miami is a good example -- they weren't a threat to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. They weren't a threat to steal the neighbor's newspaper!

not lolz (guest)

Hey does anyone REALLY know why the Iranians are so pissed at us, not to mention the Saudi's
We froze ALL of their assts back in 82 when they took hostages to get their money back from the holding companies that the world banks put it in and then gave it to the south Americans Peru, Columbia Chile and Venezuala and then forgave the loans to get access to their natural resources and told the Iranians We lost it well not us, the holding companies lost your money in south america when they were ALLOWED to default on the loans. Those Iranian assts are STILL frozen. Would you be pissed?

not elturco78 (guest)

so let me get this straight... any time you fly you cant take anything with u on a plane? man that sucks!!! im going to my friends wedding in a couple of weeks in michigan (from jersey)... a wedding!!! and i guess he wont be surprised when i smell and look like shit... thank u homeland insecurity... u really made my life easier you fucking peices of worthless crap

not BetterDays (guest)

As it stands now what are our soldiers dying for besides corporate greed? US soldiers have no idea that they were lied to about everything leading up to these wars. The biggest lie of all was 9-11. All personnel in the military should make an about face and help us get back our Constitution, and treat this treasonous administration accordingly.

not antibush (guest)

If I were a terrorist I'd nerve gas several airport terminals simultaneously 5 PM EST Thanksgiving Eve. The Jews have control of America and now we all suffer. Chertoff and the rest of his synagogue needs to go.

Offering throw away flight suits that have to be changed into after the first security check point.

Baggage flying on a cargo.
No carry ons i.e. all onboard flights catoring to ever food diet/preference and refreshement for long flights. (they keep the throw aways after the flight or they can be recycled) one size fits all (included in the airline price (like 50cents or a dollar for a flight mumu)

The collection ofthe materials should be done without damaging the original containers.. but individuaols should be able to freely discard their :garbage: security itself when taking any item should take each item as an "exhibit" and check the items for storage for potential return, if the person returning. i.e. a classification system, this data can be entered into a database.

Otherwise scanning etc.. should detect any abnormalities.

Although I think it is bs, what is the big deal with a bunch of people dieing? Theres millions more where that came from, when it is time to go.. it is time to go. Either we are eternally living or life itself is redundant as we do not exist.

I don't like the concept of someone else controling my life, that is oppression. I'd gladly die for liberty.

not loungelizard (guest)

this stuff has been safe to bring on a plane since aviation began, but NOW it's not? If they knew it was so potentially dangerous why didn't they stop it years ago? Oh yeah...I feel MUCH safer now! Got cheese?...I smell a rat!

cargo itself needs to be inspected item by item, and should be packaged on site. This makes people on bring "essential" items on trips. Hi cost items such as camcorder, laptops etc.. would be given a special safe transfer i.e. the items checked and put in a safe area for them.

Onboard computers and a "datastorage system" connected to air port computer networks would also individuals to have a temporary or long term secure computer acount to remove the need for bringing accessories. These cheep computers would only minorly add to the cost of the aircraft since they are expensive.. and would give people a choice of music or media.. as stored on the aircrafts computer server.

The seperation of flights is the only concern.. however hopefully this would see less people bring stuff with them. Encourage local spending.

A secure and repsonsible system for handling cargo would be required for handling cargo. This would free more room for passengers.. and extra cargo space on the accompanying plane could be used for other cargo air mail etc..

not guest (guest)

The comment pasted from the White House website interview neglected to mention that further down in the interview, Cheney and Snow realized that they had mistakenly said Osama when they meant to say Hussein. FYI

not Canadian (guest)

Uhh in case someone hasn't pointed this out yet the terrorists supposed plan was to MIX several liquids to create an explosive on board the plane. Each individually would be safe, after all the terrorists wouldn't want to blow up before they made it to their destination. Even if it was already active pouring it out would most likely not detonate it.

Besides requiring people to dump out the liquids means the terrorists WON'T BOTHER even trying. If they can't get it onto the plane why bother. Counterintuitively we are pretty much guaranteed all the liquids they are dumping out are not explosives but if they didn't dump out the safe liquids then someone might be tempted to bring explosives in this manner.

not BreakingNews (guest)

not Rascal (guest)

Why bother with the planes? If you wanted to kill a bunch of people explode the fucking bombs in the DEPARTURE area, before any searches etc.
You get more people that way, like 20 flights worth.
Then the airport is closed down and you have to check in at the road to the airport. So you bomb the road check-in and then you have to be searched every 10 minutes for the rest of your life, in your home BEFORE you even leave for the airport.
Freedom? Sorry, thats a fucking memory.
Fly naked, no privacy, fingerprinted, photographed, soon we will have giant govt. tattoos with our entire ID printed across our forehead.

Time for revolution and the guillotine for Bush and Blair? I think so.

Lets get the FUCK out of the middle east, close down that madhouse called Israel, and just get our fucking LIVES BACK!

not Rascal (guest)

not airlineemployee (guest)

Check this out. I work for an airline at a large european airport. Now people will have to purchase books and soft drinks after they go thru customs and security. Looks like those stores will be making big bucks. Also, not being able to carry hand luggage will save lots of fuel for the airlines because of lighter loads. Makes you want to go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

not makinsence (guest)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What can you expect from a president who's great grand daddy got rich from smuggling arms, who's grand daddy got rich from proping up the nazi party, who's own father still has his fingers in every dirty little project Ughmerica is involved in. If you are all so smart than what the fuck is wrong with your country? How could you let it get so bad? oh yea, you can bitch and moan about all the corruptness and lies on one hand, then manage your ebay account from your blackberry on the other hand. Your all guilty of your country's backhandedness, because you all gobble up the latest compforts of living in a free society on the backs of others. Then think it's appalling that America can be so corrupt, you all asked for it, haha you all aparently veted for it.

As for the Jews, Isreal was around 3000 years ago, muslims haven't been around for even a 1000 years, As much as I dislike the policies of isreal these people do have a right to the land, and as far as I can tell muslims don't get along with anybody. Just ask Indoneisia, or tamil, or france, or spain, They're all fuckers Jews, Muslims, and christians alike. I'm just sorry for all the one who truly have faith because they're the one who are going to need it.

not realist (guest)

Latest London Terror Plot a Blair Hoax?
According to knowledgeable sources in the UK and other countries, the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new "terror" scare to avert the public's eyes away from Blair's increasing political woes. British law enforcement; neo-con and intelligence operatives in the United States, Israel, and Britain; and Rupert Murdoch's global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 "Oplan Bojinka" plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the United States.
Posted Aug 11, 2006 10:05 PM PSThttp://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Latest London Terror Plot a Blair Hoax?
According to knowledgeable sources in the UK and other countries, the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new "terror" scare to avert the public's eyes away from Blair's increasing political woes. British law enforcement; neo-con and intelligence operatives in the United States, Israel, and Britain; and Rupert Murdoch's global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 "Oplan Bojinka" plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the United States.
Posted Aug 11, 2006 10:05 PM PSThttp://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

not HardCider (guest)

You know, if everyone switches to Burt's Bees solid shampoo or JT Liggate's shampoo bars, and powdered toothpaste normally reserved for hippy types, Proctor and Gamble, Unilever, and whoever the hell else might start getting pissed off enough at the airlines for this garbage. It's all about the stupid carry-on luggage, I swear.

I'll betcha "Head-n-Shoulders" and "Pantene" will see a quick boost in sales right off the bat.

not Carryonluggage (guest)

I meet and greet 8 flights a day here at Amsterdam airport (Northwest Airlines) coming from Detroit, Seattle and Boston.

People carry HUGE bags in the overhead compartments. LOTS of weight. This adds lots of dollars to the fuel bill. US carriers are already flirting with bankruptcy. Oil prices going sky high. Makes you want to go hmmmmmm

Actually few people remember that one day after 911 the US Congress passed a 5 BILLION dollar bailout to keep US airlines afloat. They were already in trouble.

not toonoisy (guest)

Hey Makinsence - NO-ONE has a RIGHT to the land - or EVERYONE does.
Picking one set of idiots over another is what starts all this crap.
1000, 3000 - What the Fuck? WHo cares how long they have been doing their thing?
I think that Scorpions have been around longer than the jews or the muslims - they should have priority.

not TB (guest)

"I know how to make a binary explosive: take two specific powerful acids and mix them with glycerin. Here's the fun part: if you are a terrorist, you don't need a detonator at all, because that shit will just plain explode right there. I doubt that you could keep strong acids in a Nalgene, so you'd need something like a glass container for them. I hope it doesn't break when you throw it in the trash."

Glass would be ideal, but isn't necessary. Most plastics would probably be OK for sulfuric acid, however you'd have to be cautious with the nitric acid. A teflon container would do the trick. But you are right = not all explosives need detonators. Your nitroglycerin example is one of many.

not Yo (guest)

not XENCOR (guest)

not AdamGhaznavi (guest)

A thought occurrs to me, Henry the 8th acquired a recipe for gunpowder that entailed the use of urine (presumably the ammonia in such) as an explosive compenent. Does this mean that now nobody with a full bladder (think of it a hit legion of Al Qaeda intercontinental incontinents) will be allowed to fly?

not CP (guest)

You guys scare the holy fuck out of me. How anyone could be so stupid as to decide the Israel is the agressor in this situation in the the middle east or that the neo-cons are the source of terrorism? I supposed the Islamic terrorist attacks during the Clinton admin were neo-cons fault? Bombings in Madrid? London? India, for Christ's sake? The terrorists are the ultimate right-wingers - conservative, oppressive, murderous, fascists. You think they want a world where people are free to have abortions, support gay marriage, legalized drugs, a free press, and peace, joy, and happiness for all? If they get there way, every liberal peacenik in the world would be lined up and killed as enemies of the state.

not lEARNNOW (guest)

not TB (guest)

"A thought occurrs to me, Henry the 8th acquired a recipe for gunpowder that entailed the use of urine (presumably the ammonia in such) as an explosive compenent. Does this mean that now nobody with a full bladder (think of it a hit legion of Al Qaeda intercontinental incontinents) will be allowed to fly?"

Urine was simply used as a source of potassium nitrate, aka saltpeter, as the only known sources at the time were present in rotting flesh, urine and feces. In fact, people known as "petermen" would roam the countryside, stealing dung from stables in order to get at the valuable nitrate material. But then the British conquered India, which was rich in mineral sources of saltpeter, and the petermen soon had to find new jobs.

not UKguest (guest)

So nice to hear the comments about 'our own president is a religious fundamentalist moron' not allowing us to touch the real problem. This is so so true. Our PM isn't any better. Why is it that nations are led by cretins who are educated (well, apparently), have read plenty of history, and yet still happily subscribe to old fables that were only ever introduced to control the masses? Didn't Plato say something along the lines of - tell a lie and within a few generations everyone will believe it? And these are the people in power - either they're believing the lie or still willing to tell it. Tragic.

not learnthis (guest)

I think most people intelligent enough to think for themselves have a dislike for Bush and his people, but some of you hate for the wrong reasons. Sure isreal and bush who seem to be everyone's favorite enemy are doing very bad things. but one things for fucking sure is I wouldn't want those fundumentalist muslims living on my door step, nor would I want an evengical or zionist jew to be my neighbor. Muslims havn't progressed themselves as a society much in thier history, and without western influence they'd still be killing eachother with swords. so yea, lets just destroy isreal and make "peace" with a muslim that would just as quickly kill us, if given a chance as a jew would call you goy.

The lot of you are too blinded by hate to understand a problem that goes back Waaaaay before bush was even in his daddy's nut sack.

not NukeIsrael (guest)

Nuke Israel and the GREEN ZONE. Problem solved.
Fucking Americunt and Israeli PIGS.
There are millions of us NON Muslims who are god damn sick of you Americunts and Zionist PIGS.
Israel look out because you WILL be paid back for your genocide.
Also, you Nazi cocksuckers in America. There will be BIG payback for your invasion of Iraq. Suggest you send this to your NSA because the plans are ON to take out the Green Zone.

not hello (guest)

Flying is hard on the environment to begin with and has become far too convenient. It is another example of our being hooked on cheap energy. Perhaps a little discouragment to avoid it, isn't such a bad thing. Our little 'tower of babel,' squabbles may be all in God's plan.

not pwnerer (guest)

not CP (guest)

LEARNNOW: Put your tinfoil hat back on and make sure you take your meds regularly.

Have any of y'all dimwits ever worked with the U.S. Government? All it takes is a few weeks on some government contracts and a few weeks working in D.C. to realize that all government conspiracy theories are bullshit. Yes, there are under the table deals made and bribes paid and the lobbyists are a bunch of crooks, but any conspiracy that involves more that 2 or 3 people isn't going to be kept secret because the government is too stupid (collectively) to keep a secret. Sometimes I *wish* Bush, et al., were competant enough to mount Machiavellian world plots - the real secret is that they are just treading water from crisis to crisis...

not rumplestealskin (guest)

Sorry Dimwit...you got it wrong...2 thieves have to agree to do the stealing together...a few people can keep a secret and it is plausible deniability no one ever knows enough so they will deny it right in your face on tv and you believe it because the tv said it and since you are so confused caught up in a sea of controversy in your mind you don't know what to think so you think conspiracy theories are BS when infact it is quite the other way around from your narrow mind. Typical of course of most people not being able to make up their own mind because you were taught abunch of lies growing up and watch the mind sucker tv and we see you talk out of the side of your mouth and don't have a clue as to who you really are to be making any determinations about anything.

not CP (guest)

Yeah, but if I read it on a web site, it must be true, right? Your rambling sentences are a bit confusing, but are saying that *I* am talking out the side of my mouth and that you don't have a clue about who I really am (interesting remark coming from 'rumplestealskin') or are you referring to the talking heads on TV? I'm glad you don't know who I really am, since you all are a bunch of creepy, paranoid whack-jobs. As for the people on TV, I don't believe them either, but I still don't believe in big government conspiracies. In DC, two people keep a secret, three people is a conspiracy that will remain secret until one of them gets caught and makes a deal to rat on the other two, four people is just a media leak waiting to happen.

not PointLost (guest)

You guys are all missing the big picture. The possibility of two different liquids being poured into that container or disposed into the same trash can is almost nil. Why? Because terrorist acts are already almost nil, so the chances of accidentally recreating the environment to ignite an almost terrorist plot is even less than almost nil.

What's the moral of this story? You can't stop the inevitable with false senses of security. There are two types of religious fanaticism involved in the topic of terrorism: One group believes that killing thousands of people will bring them reward in the afterlife and another is so scared of their own shadow that they are willing to imprison themselves in a pitch black room in order to give themselves peace of mind.

As long as people exist in this world that are out of their minds (and I'll venture to throw 99.9% of the world's religious fundamentalists into this category), things like terrorism will exist, and the people that overly fear it will continue to make the lives of the rest of us normal people miserable. There's no stopping it. There's no avoiding it. Move on with your lives, and do your best not to wring their necks when you are standing next to someone "thanking God" that airport security exists.

The only evil in this world is religious cultery (which is the definition of an organized religion).

not dudeistrue (guest)

this rightly shows what an orchestration the entire thing was.
1 - No media report aknowledged the fact that they were shown no proof of this conspiracy. It was all taken on faith by what the government told them.
2 - Since there never was any threat of explosive liquids, security at airports were told to have passangers dump liquids on whatever receptacle they had in hand.
3 - Because of the total brainwashing of today, neither the passengers or airport's security saw this contradiction.

not vaginaldischarg (guest)

yeah i didnt even think about the fact that they would be mixing the fuckin chemicals anyways just by throwing them away. i guess it comes down to which you would prefer, being in an airport when it blows up or being in an airplane when it blows up.

not yourdaddy (guest)

not dickweed (guest)

I'd fly a 'bring whatever the hell you want on the flight' airlines. I ain't afraid of no ghosts. No jackass is going to try anything if he knows there is a good liklihood he's going to have his ass kicked.

not DrGorilla (guest)

you fcking idiots who believe the government is "too stupid" to keep a secret are insanely retarded regarding the issue of classified and black operations. I suppose they were too stupid to keep hundreds of people working on the manhattan project for 4 years. You have the argument of a stupid person. Period.

not retard (guest)

RyanAir to UK govt: ease off on security or we sue
RyanAir a leading European discount airline, has threatened to sue the British government if it doesn't ease off on its security measures.
Michael O'Leary, the outspoken chief executive of Ryanair, described the new restrictions as "farcical Keystone Cops security measures that don't add anything except to block up airports", as he issued the ultimatum.
Mr O'Leary ridiculed the notion of searching five- or six-year-old children and elderly people in wheelchairs going to Spain. Such scenes, he said, would have "terrorists laughing in the caves of Afghanistan".
Finally someone with bollocks.

not NukeIsrael (guest)

Israel objects to including countries that do not have diplomatic relations with the Jewish state in a planned United Nations force for southern Lebanon, the country's ambassador to the United Nations said on Friday.
Posted Aug 19, 2006 08:44 AM PST
Category: LEBANON

This is really quite revealing about the Israeli mindset. I mean, think about it. They are standing on someone else's country, yet have the nerve to declare to the United Nations who should and should not be allowed in

COLUMNISTS WHO VIEW THEMSELVES TO BE CRITICALLY SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL, AND ULTIMATELY, WOULD SUPPORT ISRAELI SECURITY OVER PALESTINIAN RIGHTS:

Thomas Friedman, The New York Times,

Richard Cohen, The Washington Post and New York Daily News

Avishai Margolit, The New York Review of Books

David Remnick, The New Yorker

Eric Alterman, The Nation and MSNBC.com

The New York Times Editorial Board

The Washington Post Editorial Board

"Hollywood is run by Jews. It is owned by Jews, and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering"
-- Actor Marlon Brando on Larry King Live 04/05/1996

"I've never seen a president --I don't care who he is-- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on."
-- Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (See Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoting from Andrew Hurley's book, "One Nation Under Israel")

"The Israeli Prime Minister has a lot more influence over the foreign policy of the United States in the Middle East than he has in his own country."
-- Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his book They Dare to Speak Out, p. 92.

"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate ... somewhere around 80 percent of the senate of the United States is completely in support of Israel -- of anything Israel wants...."
-- Chairman Senator Fullbright, 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".

"We have exhausted our requests. President Clinton has answered all our needs. There has been no American president in history like President Clinton, in his support of Israel and the Jewish people."
-- Shimon Peres (From Washington Report, July 1996, pg. 17)

" resident Clinton behaves like an obedient child of Israel and does not know how to say `No.'"
-- Nahum Barnea, Israeli writer (From Washington Report, July 1996, pg. 17)

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews. [Former Secretary of State George] Marshall and [former Defense Secretary James] Forrestral learned that"
-- Sec. of State John Foster Dulles in Feb. 1957 quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

"... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"
-- Sec. of State John Foster Dulles in Feb. 1957 quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

"I know I was elected by the votes of American Jews. I owe them my victory. Tell me, is there something I ought to do?"
-- U.S. President John F. Kennedy speaking privately to Ben-Gurion (p.90 A & L Cockburn 1991).

"The little Knesset"-
- Sec. of state James Baker describing pro-Israel Congressmen, quoted in the Web Page of the Zionist Organization of America, which, in turn, quotes the Los Angeles Times (March 7, 1992)

"I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance"
n U.S. President Harry Truman writing in his memoirs about the Zionist pressure to support the partition of Palestine.

Jay Lefkowitz - Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council

David Frum-Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman- White House Director of Scheduling

Dov Zakheim - Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)

I. Lewis Libby- Chief of Staff to the Vice President

Adam Goldman - White House Liaison to the Jewish Community

Chris Gersten- Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS

Elliott Abrams- Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights (!!! ) and International Operations

Mark D. Weinberg - Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs

Douglas Feith- Under Secretary of Defense for Policy

Michael Chertoff- Head of the Justice Department's criminal division

Daniel Kurtzer- Ambassador to Israel (!!! )

Cliff Sobel- Ambassador to the Netherlands

Stuart Bernstein - Ambassador to Denmark

Nancy Brinker- Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin- Ambassador to Singapore

Ron Weiser- Ambassador to Slovakia

Mel Sembler - Ambassador to Italy

Martin Silverstein- Ambassador to Uruguay

Assistant Secretary of Defense: Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense under former President Bush, former ambassador to Indonesia, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a member of the Aspen Institute's Strategy Group, reportedly attended the 2000 Bilderberg meeting in Belgium, and was a member of the Trilateral Commission as of 2000.

White House Press Secretary: Ari Fleischer, former 2000 Bush campaign spokesman, and previously was communications director for Elizabeth Dole's 2000 campaign. He was also the Presidential Transition Spokesperson 2000-2001.

Deputy Assistant to the President for Appointments and Scheduling: Brad Blakeman, who spent two years as Lead Advance Representative for Bush/Cheney 2000 and also worked in the same capacity for the Bush/Quayle campaigns in 1988 & 1992. From 1980-1993, he was a consultant to the offices of the President and Vice President of the United States.

Undersecretary of Defense & Comptroller: Dov S. Zakheim, CEO of System Planning Corporation International and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Chief of Staff for the Vice President: I. Lewis Libby, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, and a former lawyer for Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned. Libby is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs: Mark D. Weinberg, the Director of issues Management for The McGraw-Hill Companies and was Manager for Marketing Communications and Special Events for the U.S. Postal Service 1994-1999. He served as Director of Public Affairs in the Office of Former President Bush 1989-1991 and as Special Assistant to the President and Assistant Press Secretary for President Reagan 1981-1989.

Under Secretary of Defense for Policy: Douglas Jay Feith, formerly with Feith and Zell, P.C., in Washington, D.C. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Negotiations Policy, 1984-1986 and was Special Counsel to Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Peale 1982-1984. Feith is a graduate of Harvard College and Georgetown University Law Center and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division: Michael Chertoff, a Partner with Latham and Watkins in Newark, NJ. He was the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey 1990-1994 and is a graduate of Harvard University and Harvard Law School. He also advised Sen. Alfonse M. D'Amato (R-NY) during the Whitewater investigation.

Ariel Sharon:
"We control America""Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister,Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.