Since od is anfang - beginning or point, place, all associated words could be used instead of od: - none sound as good as OD though, so OD was the point, place but also the beginning point, the spark of life.

The Puzzler 490

We already know that it means 'to tred' in English or 'treden' in Dutch?

You are making this unnecessarily complicated.

No, Im trying to find a good meaning for trâd - which rather than 'made a path' or tread inside them, could actually mean 'rooted' in side them, took root etc because Frisian quite distinctly has it as not only tread but TREE.

I think you lost me now: what has the word "anfang" to do with what we were talking about?

And 'anfang' or 'Dutch 'aanvang' indeed means 'start' or 'beginning', but still....

Because where it said OD in the Frisian Dictionary at ord it also says anfang - which is beginning. So OD can mean this.

Abramelin 2,501

No, Im trying to find a good meaning for trâd - which rather than 'made a path' or tread inside them, could actually mean 'rooted' in side them, took root etc because Frisian quite distinctly has it as not only tread but TREE.

Again: nnordfries. trede, tree

And it's not the English TREE and also has nothing to do with any tree, but it's short for TREDEN. We even say it here, in poems: treeën or tree-en. The -D- get swallowed up, but it still means TREDEN or to tread.

You better not follow that path, for it leads nowhere.

We Dutch, and also the Frisians, leave out a -D- regularly:

DU: lade ('lah-duh') >> la ('lah') EN: drawer

DU: trede ('trey-duh') >> tree ('trey') EN: step or stair ,

And less official:

LODEN = made from lead, lead as adjective. Many pronounce it here as 'looie', or 'loh-yuh'.

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The Puzzler 490

And it's not the English TREE and also has nothing to do with any tree, but it's short for TREDEN. We even say it here, in poems: treeën or tree-en. The -D- get swallowed up, but it still means TREDEN or to tread.

You better not follow that path, for it leads nowhere.

We Dutch, and also the Frisians, leave out a -D- regularly:

DU: lade ('lah-duh') >> la ('lah') EN: drawer

DU: trede ('trey-duh') >> tree ('trey') EN: step or stair ,

And less official:

LODEN = made from lead, lead as adjective. Many pronounce it here as 'looie', or 'loh-yuh'.

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Seemingly so.

I still think it's an unknown possibilty, considering the tree of life or tree of the world goes up to heaven, like a ladder, tread. You can climb a tree too and one with no leaves can look just like a ladder. Think Jacob's Ladder. Did Jacob really climb a 'ladder' or was he climbing the world tree, who knows or maybe nobody wants us to know.

Anyway, I think plow/plough being part of treda is more interesting, considering how the 'Plough' in the night sky treads around the Pole Star. At the top of the tree.

I know it sounds funny but tread and plow mean basically make a path, as you turn the soil or tear up the ground. Astronomically, the dot/od would be the Pole Star and the plough is the ox, or pathway, treading around it.

Interestingly...

These seven stars (septentriones, from the phrase septem triōnēs, meaning "seven plough oxen"[5]) are the origin of the Latin word septentriōnēs meaning "north" and now found as the adjective septentrional (northern) in English, French, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish. This etymology goes back to a passage in Varro (Marcus Terentius) who explains that triōn- (a word not attested elsewhere) means "plough ox" and derives the form from terō, one of whose meanings is "thresh grain by rubbing".The derivation is acceptable (Latin short vowels often syncopate before -r- in medial syllables), but the meaning, if Varro is right about the root derivation, is surely "threshing ox", as the seven stars (oxen) perpetually wheel about the pole star like oxen on a threshing floor.

Abramelin 2,501

Let's assume that what you suggested earlier is true, and that OD comes from ORD, which (among other things that are not relevant here) means 'spear'. which would then mean it was Wralda's 'spear' entering (or plowing) the 3 earth mothers. Spear would be nothing but his pecker of course.

But till how long did the Frisians use ORD before they shortened it into OD?

From the next it should be clear that that must have been up to at least a couple of centuries after 800 AD:

Old Frisian Law

The earliest Old Frisian law is known as the Lex Frisionum. It was written around 800 A.D. in Latin at the behest of the emperor Charlemagne. There are also several other sets of laws that were written somewhat later. These are mostly in Old Frisian. A good introduction to Old Frisian Law, if you can read Dutch, is N.E. Algra, Oudfries Recht, 800-1256 (Ljouwert: Fryske Akademy, 2000). Unfortunately, most old Frisian law is available only in Dutch or German translation, not in English. The most important exception is the Skeltariucht, parts of which are presented below.

This is the law: the free Frisian need make no further foray, whether under proclamation or order, than out with the ebb and back with the flood; because he needs must guard the shore, day in, day out, against the salt sea and the wild viking with five weapons: with spade and with fork, with shield and with sword, and with spear's point. (And this he must do) on pain of one wergeld(*), whenever notice is given him by messenger or by beacon, or else swear with five compurgators that such notice was not given him.

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Let's assume that what you suggested earlier is true, and that OD comes from ORD, which (among other things that are not relevant here) means 'spear'. which would then mean it was Wralda's 'spear' entering (or plowing) the 3 earth mothers. Spear would be nothing but his pecker of course.

This is the law: the free Frisian need make no further foray, whether under proclamation or order, than out with the ebb and back with the flood; because he needs must guard the shore, day in, day out, against the salt sea and the wild viking with five weapons: with spade and with fork, with shield and with sword, and with spear's point. (And this he must do) on pain of one wergeld(*), whenever notice is given him by messenger or by beacon, or else swear with five compurgators that such notice was not given him.

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The orde would be the spear POINT. It's a dot.

I don't know, you're saying they shortened stuff all the time. to ra - how long till they shortened to hjara into that? Who knows. Maybe OD came first.

What appears at the top is the signs of the Juul—that is, the first symbol of Wr-alda, also of the origin or beginning from which Time is derived;

Time is derived from the anfang, the point (of origin) - the OD

Edit: (I also just noticed that i has no dot but the j on the t'bijin wheel has a dot) j might hold an earlier form of what od is...

Wralda's OD - not literally pointed object but point, dot, seed - I recall the Bok Saga guy saying the letter i was a penis and sperm, the sperm part - the dot. But also what you say, rod, from OD, could be true and the whole part is combined - i. Always these ancient Nordic gods getting around with big rods - fertility cultures. Or holding lances, which might have been more appropriate to represent this in some cultures, maybe Greece.

This is the root of old fertility cults, the lightening impregnates the earth during thunderstorms. The spark from the sky reaches down to the earth - this concept I am seeing in the same way, to whatever it is Frya Finda and Lyda truly represent - which may be connected with time.

trad - plow/plough - the plough enters the ground and impregnates it with seed - so some form of this is in the word trad I think. Ottema has hatred found it's way among them. Brush off hatred, he next saying 'found its way' - again, a reference to pathway, even enter, tread - plow - if you plow into someone in a car accident you basically bang into them straight on and really hard...

This is how I'm seeing these words, in concept form of how this type of birth would occur - like Virgin births, conception by God - some spark of God enters them.

I was just brushing up on Frya/Frigga and what she represents in relation to it all - she sits at her spinning wheel - which is Yule itself - the wheel, and spins the fates of mankind. She gives birth at the Winter Solstice as the OLB says - to a new Sun/son Baldr, but twins is not mentioned for her, but what about Leto, light? she could be some form of Frya, who is usually associated with light, gold etc. Anyway thats for another time.

And the -i- with dot is, like I posted a couple of days ago, also a rather recent invention.

The tittle first appeared in Latin manuscripts in the 11th century, to distinguish the letter i from strokes of nearby letters. Although originally a larger mark, it was reduced to a dot when Roman-style typefaces were introduced.