I think there's something in the water in Harrisburg. Methinks there's residual fallout from 3 Mile island, which makes all of our elected officials dumber than a box of rocks.

Carol Aichele was a local state senator at one point down in SEPA. She only got this gig because she was connected to Corbett. So no consideration of her talent or suitability went into her choice for this post.

There should be unlimited liability for legislators that back legislation which proves to be unconstitutional. Let the disenfranchised voters bring a class action lawsuit against the offending legislators and take every nickle and piece of property they own. There's absolutely no excuse for the state to indemnify malicious or incompetent actions.

stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification

By a quick Google it looks like the voting population of PA is just a shade under 10 million people. So even if her wild-assed guess is correct that's still around 100,000 people who won't be able to vote.

This is such a bald-faced attempt to steal elections for Republicans I don't know how they can make these claims with a straight face.

fusillade762:stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification

By a quick Google it looks like the voting population of PA is just a shade under 10 million people. So even if her wild-assed guess is correct that's still around 100,000 people who won't be able to vote.

This is such a bald-faced attempt to steal elections for Republicans I don't know how they can make these claims with a straight face.

Because the Media won't call them out on it. The MSM is nothing more than the PR Dept for Global Corporate Socialism. It is over.

shotglasss:Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

Drinking alcohol is not a constitutionally protected right. I'd argue that purchasing beer does not involve the government, but this is Pennsylvania, so it does there.

Cashing a check is a transaction between private entities, not the government.

You do not need photo ID to drive a car. You need to be licensed to drive a car and the license takes the form of valid photo ID.

You do not need to show a cop your photo ID if he requests it. You must identify yourself, but you do not need to "present your papers" on demand. If a cop asks for your license while driving a car it is to verify that you are a licensed driver. If he asks for your drivers license while you're walking down the street, you can tell him "No, but my name is John Smith".

And while we're at it, show me where you can get a free photo ID from Pennsylvania. You can get a photo ID card from the DMV for $13.50, but that's not free. If you require this, then you're stating that it costs $13.50 to cast a vote in an election (minimally).

It's so weird that so many people get worked up over the possibility majority-white, poor, welfare leech, Republicans, who vote against their own self-interests anyway, might be prevented from doing it...

A Dark Evil Omen:shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

For the record, I don't live in the state in question, so this is a generality with sort of an assumption that it probably applies, but the only documentation required to get a state ID in any of the three states I've lived in is a piece of traceable mail addressed to you with an in-state address (specifically, the address you're claiming on the ID). Traceable generally meaning a utility bill.

Of course, this would be the minimum, you could show up with a copy of a lease with your name on it, a letter from your landlord attesting you lived at x address, etc. At the very worst they might ask you to have such a reference letter notarized and witnessed, which costs like a buck and involves a notary specifically working with you to get some form of acceptable proof of identity.

Not terribly hard to do if you're not waiting until the absolute last minute to get it done, basically.

//This doesn't mean the ID law isn't a bad law, it's just a bad law because it's pointless and doesn't accomplish anything but inconveniencing a few people, not because it constitutes a poll tax.

Jim_Callahan:A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

For the record, I don't live in the state in question, so this is a generality with sort of an assumption that it probably applies, but the only documentation required to get a state ID in any of the three states I've lived in is a piece of traceable mail addressed to you with an in-state address (specifically, the address you're claiming on the ID). Traceable generally meaning a utility bill.

Of course, this would be the minimum, you could show up with a copy of a lease with your name on it, a letter from your landlord attesting you lived at x address, etc. At the very worst they might ask you to have such a reference letter notarized and witnessed, which costs like a buck and involves a notary specifically working with you to get some form of acceptable proof of identity.

Not terribly hard to do if you're not waiting until the absolute last minute to get it done, basically.

//This doesn't mean the ID law isn't a bad law, it's just a bad law because it's pointless and doesn't accomplish anything but inconveniencing a few people, not because it constitutes a poll tax.

If that is the only documentation required to get the ID , requiring the ID at the polls is pointless. It proves absolutely nothing.

Jim_Callahan:A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

For the record, I don't live in the state in question, so this is a generality with sort of an assumption that it probably applies, but the only documentation required to get a state ID in any of the three states I've lived in is a piece of traceable mail addressed to you with an in-state address (specifically, the address you're claiming on the ID). Traceable generally meaning a utility bill.

Of course, this would be the minimum, you could show up with a copy of a lease with your name on it, a letter from your landlord attesting you lived at x address, etc. At the very worst they might ask you to have such a reference letter notarized and witnessed, which costs like a buck and involves a notary specifically working with you to get some form of acceptable proof of identity.

Not terribly hard to do if you're not waiting until the absolute last minute to get it done, basically.

//This doesn't mean the ID law isn't a bad law, it's just a bad law because it's pointless and doesn't accomplish anything but inconveniencing a few people, not because it constitutes a poll tax.

If it costs money and is a requirement to vote, it is a poll tax and is unconstitutional. Period.

As I've said in most every other Voter ID thread; when asked why there is a sudden need for identification at the voting booth when there are almost zero cases of voter fraud, the answer will be how easy they are to obtain.

Captain_Ballbeard:fusillade762: stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification

By a quick Google it looks like the voting population of PA is just a shade under 10 million people. So even if her wild-assed guess is correct that's still around 100,000 people who won't be able to vote.

This is such a bald-faced attempt to steal elections for Republicans I don't know how they can make these claims with a straight face.

Because the Media won't call them out on it. The MSM is nothing more than the PR Dept for Global Corporate Socialism. It is over.

The media wants a horse race. More people voting means more people voting for Democrats, which in turn means less "neck-and-neck, down-to-the-wire horse race with a photo finish" and more "auto race between an RB7 and a Chevy Celebrity."

A Dark Evil Omen:shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

Tumunga:A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

Tumunga:A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

Tumunga:qorkfiend: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If buying beer, cashing checks, or driving cars were constitutionally guaranteed rights, you might have a point. Since they're not, what are you talking about?

If you can't figure that out, you don't deserve to drink, and ice cream don't have bones.

You're the one saying that people who don't drink, drive, or cash checks do not deserve the right to vote.

Aichele also couldn't provide any evidence that 99 percent of voters already have a valid form of ID, as the state has claimed. CBS reported that when lawyers cited testimony from a Department of State official calling the number likely inaccurate, Aichele responded "I disagree."

Goddam you liberals...why do always insist that statements be factual?

Tumunga:Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

See how easy it is to get an ID that doesn't do anything to affect voter fraud because there is none?

Big_Fat_Liar:It's so weird that so many people get worked up over the possibility majority-white, poor, welfare leech, Republicans, who vote against their own self-interests anyway, might be prevented from doing it...

I am actually. I want to make sure no unnecessary barriers to voting are put up for anyone, for any reason. 18 years of age as the restriction is about the only one I'm ok with.

As someone else said, if they were really super duper concerned, they'd give out a free id at the national level, and more importantly, purple ink for your finger so you cannot vote twice.