I’ve never been so confused about it, he’s obviously better than hendo and Milner but he’s still not getting any chances.

He still needs time. He needs more of it then others. When he came, I think he didnt speak any english and he also never really spoke good german.
Also needs to work on his fitness. I hope he gets playing time soon.

This post shows a lot about one of the main sources of discontent in modern football today (supporters having differing values to others). Clubs, coaches and fans seem to think the PL matters most yet it seems most supporters who attend games seem to think differently and put FA Cup and the PL on an even pedestal.

I can understand clubs and coaches treating it more importantly as it's a business decision but I always find the difference between fans and supporters views strange.

Out of interest, why do you you think it's more important? Is it just because you haven't won it for 29 years or would you still feel the same if you had?

(Not trying to cause offence with the differentiation between fans and supporters but that seems to be the universally accepted names to differentiate).

I don't agree with this. I assume you're a fan of a lower League team? As that's the mentality I tend to come across with fans of lower League teams. There is no way that the FA Cup and the PL Cup are on an even pedestal. Maybe 10+ years ago, you'd have a slight argument, but definitely not anymore.

Wenger won like 3 FA Cups in 4 years and still got the sack, would he have got the sack if you swapped them with 3 PL trophies?

LVG got sacked immediately after winning the FA Cup because, according to United fans, they finished outside the top 4.

Conte won the FA Cup last season, but got the sack, again, probably because Chelsea didn't make top 4.

So, judging on that from the last few years alone, it's actually a bit of a stretch to say the FA Cup is on an even pedestal with top 4, let alone with the actual PL trophy.

I'd imagine if you literally went to Stamford Bridge, OT, Etihad, Anfield, etc on a match day and did a survey asking what's more important, these "supporters" would still vote for the PL trophy, by far. Like 95% of them. Lower league fans are far removed from what it's like at a top club, no offense.

I'm a supporter of a lower league team yes. My whole point is that supporters value it higher but fans and clubs don't. It's the clubs who sack the managers not the fans.

Ignoring the Etihad because the only people there are related to the players. I think if you went into the Stretford End, the views would be a lot nearer 50:50. I'm deliberately leaving the Kop out of this one because when you've not won something for 30 years it's different.

This post shows a lot about one of the main sources of discontent in modern football today (supporters having differing values to others). Clubs, coaches and fans seem to think the PL matters most yet it seems most supporters who attend games seem to think differently and put FA Cup and the PL on an even pedestal.

I can understand clubs and coaches treating it more importantly as it's a business decision but I always find the difference between fans and supporters views strange.

Out of interest, why do you you think it's more important? Is it just because you haven't won it for 29 years or would you still feel the same if you had?

(Not trying to cause offence with the differentiation between fans and supporters but that seems to be the universally accepted names to differentiate).

Its because we havent won it for so long, but i love the FA cup and am disappointed we are out, wanted to have a real crack at it this year

Spurs winning shuts all those United fans who have gotten so giddy after beating the League’s dross. It also shunts their momentum. I don’t want them getting CL next year

United winning is obviously a lot better for our title aspirations.

Draw probably a decent result, but that won’t exactly stop the giddiness of the United fans.

I'm personally wanting, and predicting, a Spurs win. They lose Son for a month after this game and Lucas is also injured. Their squad is paper thin I think the race is us and City so this game doesnt mean all that much as far as the title goes.

Really couldn't care less about United or their fans being giddy tbh. At this moment our main rivals are Spurs and City so If them beating Spurs helps Liverpool in their bid for the title then I'm all for it.

We win the title and I couldn't be arsed if they ended up 2nd or 20th. And fwiw, they're 9 points behind Chelsea so there's still some ways for them to go to get that 4th spot.