Saturday, August 20, 2016

The SJWs in science fiction are upset again, this time because Dave Truesdale, the editor of Tangent Online, pointed out the long term consequences of their actions in a panel at MidAmericaCon II. From File 770:

At 3:00 PM at today’s panel on The State of Short Fiction, Dave Truesdale (of Tangent Online) shocked panelists and crowd alike by abusing his position as moderator to give what sounded like an alt-Right rant against political correctness. He declared that political correctness had destroyed short SFF by making it bland and destroying the careers of people. He waved around a fistful of pearl necklaces and told people to “clutch your pearls” and shut up whenever they felt the urge to point out some injustice.

He had started reading from a multi-page prepared speech (which he attributed to the late David Hartwell) when Sheila Williams shouted at him to stop. (It helped a lot that he seemed to be clueless as to how to operate a microphone whereas she was clearly a master, so she easily shouted him down.) He seemed very surprised that almost the entire crowd (minus one person who might have been a relative) was angry with him. From his behavior, I think he expected to have at least a large cohort agreeing with him.

Eric got a photo of Truesdale reading while Neil Clarke turned his back and other panelists grimaced.

The panelists denied that SFF had declined in quality or that political correctness particularly influenced them as editors. They did note that overt bigotry was no longer acceptable, but Truesdale indicated that he was okay with that change.

At a subsequent panel, we heard that MidAmeriCon II apologized to the panelists, saying no one had any idea this would happen. According to one source, he’d been about to launch into a section titled “definition of a bigot” before he was derailed. Most people seemed to agree that they’d never seen a panel moderator abuse his position to hijack the panel as a platform for his or her own personal agenda.

Seemed. Exactly. Remember, SJWs always - ALWAYS - lie. Translation: they'd before never seen a moderator fail to support the SJW agenda.

I very much doubt Truesdale was surprised in the slightest by the crowd's reaction. These morons have absolutely no idea what to do other than virtue-signal and blindly defend the current Narrative. This picture of Neil Clarke prissily turning his back in order to maximally signal his virtue in order to avoid besoiling himself with badthink association is hilarious.

Considering that Truesdale was directly addressing the subject matter, the state of short fiction, it's obvious that the reason they are angry is not that he "hijacked the panel", but because he told them the unpleasant truth as they know it to be.

And speaking of Worldcon, Tor's campaign for E Pluribus Hugo continues apace, as the EPH Analysis for the years 2014 and 2015 has been released(pdf). Of course, they didn't dare publish their analysis for any other years, for as they have tacitly admitted, doing so would prove that there are whisper slates that have been having an effect on the Hugo Awards for years.

Here is the first amusing thing about it. In the "slate" year of 2015, 10 long list spots and 14 ballot spots changed under EPH. In the "non-slate" year of 2014 - never mind that Sad Puppies was in action then - 17 long list spots and 5 ballot spots changed. And they wonder why I support EPH!

The second amusing thing is the fact that the authors got it wrong. Contra their insistence that only the long list would have been affected, had EPH been in effect in 2015, Alyssa Wong would have made been a Campbell finalist in the place of Rolf Nelson.

40 years ago, an unknown Mark Hamil visited Worldcon to persuade the skinny attendees to influence theater owners and 20th Century Fox to go to the expense of releasing an earnest little SF pic called Star Wars.

Cute. EPH also would have changed the last name of the author of The Goblin Emperor, and the first name of Ms. Mixon (in Best Fan Writer). I thought Jamison Quinn was supposed to be a computery person.

He told them the truth. Short science fiction is dead. Once everything is the same gimmick - gender bending, race swapping, with the characters gay this time - it's not art, it's not edgy, it has nothing new to say, so it's not worth reading.

1. Replace all the wrong-think with right-think.2. Replace all the wrong-fans with right-fans, readily produced by worthless degree programs. 3. Have the Ford Foundation bail them out because they cannot actually sell things to an audience.

Also from the thread at your link; Scalzi is upstaged by an ASL signer:

I went to John Scalzi’s reading today. Given that he filled an entire auditorium last year at Sasquan, the fact that they scheduled him in a very small programming room seemed incredibly thoughtless and shortsighted. There were people packing the aisles by sitting on the floor, and many people standing outside the door trying to hear.

Someone who had their own ASL person showed up to the reading (of a story with a lot of tongue-twisting, nonsensical alien words in it) — and as funny as Scalzi was (and he was pretty funny), the ASL signer was absolutely hysterical. I quit watching Scalzi and ended up spending the entire time watching the signer, whose performance was an absolute ROFL-fest.

Sunil Patel, go to hell! Seriously, good for Dave. I might not have been able to keep a straight face had I been there, with the offended clucking and posturing. Too bad about the short fiction business and its diminishing number of readers, of course, but sacrifices have to be made, bigots.

And speaking of which, what's the matter with Switzerland? First the Gotthard tunnel opening rituals, completely innocuous I'm sure, now there are "occult pranks" at CERN.

The video, which circulated online, shows several individuals in black cloaks gathering in a main square at Europe’s top physics lab, in what appears to be a re-enactment of an occult ceremony.

The video includes the staged “stabbing” of a woman. It is filmed from the perspective of a secret viewer watching from a window above who, as the ceremony reaches its climax, lets out a string of expletives and flees with the camera still running.

The ceremony appears to have been staged in front of a statue of the Hindu deity Shiva that is on permanent display at the complex, home of the Large Hadron Collider.

“These scenes were filmed on our premises but without official permission or knowledge,” a Cern spokeswoman told Agence France-Presse in an email.

“Cern does not condone this type of spoof, which can give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work.”...She further indicated that those responsible for the prank had access badges.

“Cern welcomes every year thousands of scientific users from all over the world and sometimes some of them let their humour go too far. This is what happened on this occasion,” the email said.

"EPH does have a measurable effect on the resulting ballots and long lists if it is implemented. The issue is that it is both less and more active than was suggested when the system was proposed"

"Where nominator coordination is present, it does generally result in the swapping of one position on the ballot with an item that was not on the ballot. It does not, however, eliminate a number of entries to bring the coordinated nomination block down to a representative size. This allows a small minority to continue to control almost the entire ballot."

18. Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 20, 2016 10:03 AM I believe the SJW'S are in the process of race and gender swapping history. Just look at Hamilton and (((Meryl Streep's))) call to gender swap the production. Stalinism at it's finest.

He made a similar set of statements two years ago, so I'm surprised the more advanced cases of SJW didn't find a multitude of excuses to bar him from speaking duties. Maybe they thought the indoctrination would stick this time...

I went over to 770 (for like I think the first time ever) and looked at some of the comments. They're virtue signaling so hard over there, each trying to outdo the other.

I don't know if it's funny, or sad.

And they're also so quick to define DT as 'other'. He's now officially a puppy, whether he likes it or not. I wonder, are they going to burn him at the stake? Dunk him until he drowns? Pile rocks on top of him until he suffocates? It's the Salem witch trials all over again. Destroy anyone who might dare to speak a truth or not run with the herd, less others suddenly develop an open mind.

He waved around a fistful of pearl necklaces and told people to “clutch your pearls” and shut up

I could have set up a booth to sell BGS's lightly clutched pearls & bariatric fainting couches.

He seemed very surprised that almost the entire crowd (minus one person who might have been a relative) was angry with him

He must have been a relative because he was the only other adult present weighing under 18 stone.

This picture of Neil Clarke prissily turning his back in order to maximally signal his virtue in order to avoid besoiling himself

He was sitting like that because he hired 8 home depot Mexicans the night before, & was sore.

What a bunch of faggots (no offence BGS). We know Not All Faggots Are Like That, just the majority.

Wait until the nooses come out. Maybe we can make them out of TRUMP ties.

I believe the SJW'S are in the process of race and gender swapping history. Just look at Hamilton and (((Meryl Streep's)))

Bath House Barry declared all federal buildings have to have anything goes bathrooms. I might just go down to the IRS buildings women's room, after hitting the Korean BBQhttp://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2016/08/obama-opens-all-federal-building-showers-bathrooms-to-trangendered-2834517.html

Not only do SWJ's (and Keynesians) always lie, they NEVER engage alt-right or libertarian arguments or analysis. EVER. They are telegraphing that they know that they dare not (and cannot) debate us. They know.

I guess I'm probably the "minus one relative". Let me set the record straight I'm not a relative. In fact I wouldn't have even gone to the panel if a certain cute sad puppy hadn't found my group because of some wonderful (VFM?) leaving some "Wrongfan" badge flare where they could be found. And mentioning she'd be going to it later and I had wanted to ask her some questions on another point she'd raised as we were chatting before another panel where we met and she asked where she could find the "Wrongfan" flair herself.Mr. Truesdale even prefaced his comments with a warning that they might be taken the wrong way by some and immediately about 3 or 4 people got up and left and that woman started making faces and rolling her eyes. As an aside here the mic was bad, I don't think it's correct to say he didn't know how to use it when the crowd even called out for him to get closer/louder and when he did the mic over drove and crackled, it wasn't a good mic. And very soon after he started Mr. Clarke just disgustedly turned his chair and sat with his back to the whole panel, he was on one end as you can see in the picture. I was the one who yelled at Mr. Clarke when he started his comments in reply that it was all about tolerance and nearly the whole room, with a few exceptions broke into very loud applause at which point I began yelling, to be heard over that clapping, that that wasn't tolerance by turning he back. He only defense was that it was a protest and that at least he'd stayed and not walked out.What a whiney pearl clasper!At that point they asked me to hole my comments until the end. I didn't even bother at the end to try to make any point about tolerance. Especially when the final comment was from a, and I quote, "card caring SJW" about how all these changes to fiction are great and the diversity is just normal and good to him and he doesn't want to go backward in any way. Which had the panel smiling and nodding their heads.

37. tmdfos August 20, 2016 11:29 AMLet me set the record straight I'm not a relative.

of course you're not. SJWs always lie.

look, one of the key aspects of the warren dweller psychology is that they not only go tharn if they think that they are not conforming to the group think, they PROJECT this tharning-response-because-excluded expectation onto everyone around them.

therefore, IF there is a large group all yelling full throat about something or otherBUT there are two or three separated individuals who are conspicuously not participatingTHEN the assumption will be made by the mob that YOU are associated with each other in some way.

it is literally outside their ability to comprehend that you might be neutral / orthogonal ( are you International Socialist [yay] or National Socialist [boo]? neither, i'm a Nationalist Libertarian Constitutionalist. hu-wa? ) or considering the issue from outside the Who-Whom dialectic.

Oh yes, I understand that. Especially after reading the comment on 770 in full. I hadn't before posting. You can't be an ally in even the smallest detail, a la Mr. Truesdale without coming into the sphere of their pitchforks and torches.Just a couple of points. He only quoted from Hartwell and that woman didn't really shout she just tried to break in on his remarks after fidgeting with her hands and rolling her eyes, things she continued to do throughout.Didn't see the shirt thing, not sure it even happened. Too much else to pay attention to and strain to hear and still keep my eyes on a swivel in case some SJW got triggered some more and tried to sucker punch me. An event that my friend was actually surprised didn't happen and no one even accosted me after to complain. Although I think the poor SJW gal in front of me got her ears blown out since I yelled so loud, she left later on.

a comment on the File 770 page-JJ on August 19, 2016 at 6:51 pm said:Cassy B.: what, seriously? What are they complaining about?

At least one of the most vocal and most clueless Puppies/GamerGaters is cheering relentlessly for Chuck Tingle to win the Hugo — apparently totally unaware that Zoe Quinn will be making the acceptance speech in a rainbow unicorn dress if that happens. There are several other equally clueless Puppies also hoping for a Tingle win.

Yes, JJ, there is at least one, possibly two of us. Or maybe even three. And all 1+ of we the clueless sure hope the Zoe Quinn bit isn't just a vicious rumor.

"it is literally outside their ability to comprehend that you might be neutral / orthogonal ( are you International Socialist [yay] or National Socialist [boo]? neither, i'm a Nationalist Libertarian Constitutionalist. hu-wa? ) or considering the issue from outside the Who-Whom dialectic."

Fair enough. I'm a Confucianist. I don't expect anyone in the American political discourse to understand what I'm saying, and so I have no power to influence anything. But I particularly appreciate your point about being outside the Who/Whom dialectic. It's realism to your credit, in the world we are unlucky enough to inhabit, but it shouldn't have to be that way, if we just feckin opened our eyes.

45. fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PMPsychology is much, much more complicated than you think. Fail.

were you aware that Freud never even pretended to do any double blind studies? or that most of his reported case studies are either grossly exaggerated or wholly fictional? iow, Freud is known to be a 'scientific' charlatan on the same order as Michael Mann or Franz Mesmer.

so, i don't know what school of psychology you're going to try to use as a heuristic to explain the group dynamics there ( Mackay would be good ) but it hasn't escaped my attention that you failed to present a hypothesis for us to examine in contrast to mine.

because, of course, logic has no place outside the world of mathematics.

which would be quite a shock to the classical philosophers but, you know, fred is WAY more advanced than they could have ever dreamed. post modernists ain't need no shit like logic or rationality or sheeeeeet, nigga.

45. fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PMFair enough. I'm a Confucianist. I don't expect anyone in the American political discourse to understand what I'm saying

here, let me use language suitable for comprehension by those of your intellectual level ( skip downshifts from 5th to 2nd ):whenever you get done twatting on about how inferior the denizens of this blog are and humble-bragging about how awesome and subtle your mind is you MIGHT, you know, consider presenting an actual argument for inspection and critique.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/twat?s=t <<< def 3

44. Spartacus xxxxx August 20, 2016 12:07 PMYes, JJ, there is at least one, possibly two of us. Or maybe even three. And all 1+ of we the clueless sure hope the Zoe Quinn bit isn't just a vicious rumor.

hush, you. the only permitted response from the Puppies to Chuck Tingle is a conniption fit.

My favorite Neil Clarke anecdote is that time he was insane with grief over the stillbirth of his child, and Nick Mamatas used that to emotionally manipulate him into publishing a horrendous message-fic webzine.

"were you aware that Freud never even pretended to do any double blind studies?"

Freud isn't psychology, he's the bizarre thing called psychoanalysis, with all its wacky prejudices, so I'm with you on that. Psychology takes a little more time. Freud isn't entirely useless, but he isn't any sort of gold standard either. Neitzsche and Shakespeare both got there before he did, assuming there's any "there" there.

"because, of course, logic has no place outside the world of mathematics."

If your argument had been logical, I wouldn't have snarked. But then again I'm not Mr. Spock, Hauptmann Kirk.

"whenever you get done twatting on about how inferior the denizens of this blog"

Not doing anything of the sort. I have high respect for most of the folks here. I was just conversatin'. Don't let every damn thing get under your skin.

if you were actually practicing your supposed Confucian principles you'd be explicating to us WHY we're wrong instead of just shitting on the thread with unsupported "Fail" accusations.

because, regardless of whether what i'm doing is logical or no ( and i'll leave that for observers to decide rather than just assuming no one else is qualified to judge, AS YOU DO ), you haven't even attempted a dialectic yet.

55. Matthew August 20, 2016 2:11 PMwhatever57. fred August 20, 2016 2:37 PMYou took the time, an irreplaceable moment from your irreplaceable life, to type "whatever".Let that sink in, bro.

@59-I own the book "Sex, Economy, Freedom, and Community," incidentally. Nevertheless, I have no idea what you're talking about.

No, you weren't "virtue signaling." You were superiority-signaling. I know you expect people to understand what you're saying because you could easily be inscrutable if you wanted to. No doubt you want us to think you're condescending to speak to us, but that's not the same as not expecting to be understood.

Maybe you wouldn't be fully understood if you were to unleash your full Confuciosity upon us. But you didn't say that, hence the failure.

(I don't normally enjoy using internet slang like "fail," by the way. But I felt your use of it deserved mockery.)

@63 That is hilarious. Causing "excessive discomfort to others" is a ban-worthy offense. MidAmericaCon is more namby-pamby and juvenile than a kindergarten class a few decades ago.

Also, way to troll me, random person above. When I saw triple parenthesis around Meryl Streep, I got confused, because she is about as Jewish-looking as Wesley Snipes. So I looked it up, and she is completely, 100% white. Mix of English, Swiss, German, and Irish, actually.

No no, my friend, it's not that I don't expect to be understood in this highly sophisticated community, which I respect. What I said was, I don't expect to be understood in the context of common American "political" discourse, and I don't. Which is why I believe my vote is worthless. It's neither virtue-signaling nor superiority signaling. (Maybe "signaling through the flames," as a great man once said, is another matter.) I'd be happy to discuss the whole thing with you, except it's a complicated and length-worthy matter, and this is not my blog, I don't feel I should jam things up endlessly.

I see; according to the link, "distant ancestry" on the Episcopalian father's side. So 1-3%, tops. (Places I checked will note Jewish ancestry for even an eighth, a single great-grandparent) Given the percentage of Jews in Europe that far back, I think most whites living in the US have an equal or greater amount of Jewish blood in them.

When we pulled into Worldcon in need of R&RThe puppies, Sad and Rabid camped in every joint and barWe had Trufan expectations of their hospitalityBut found too late it wasn’t geared for Puppies such as we

And we’re Banned from Hugo, everyoneBanned from Hugo just for having that WrongfunWe spent a jolly Worldcon there for just three days or fourBut Hugo doesn’t want us anymore...

Our Captain’s tastes were simple and his stories were complexWe found he’d sold five manuscripts and pocketed large checksThe Thought Police were on the way—he had no second chanceHis heroine was fair and blonde, and had a straight romance!

And we’re Banned from Hugo, everyoneBanned from Hugo just for having that WrongfunWe spent a jolly Worldcon there for just three days or fourBut Hugo doesn’t want us anymore...

Our Engineer would yield to none at writing Rabid talesHe wrote them for Castalia House and made a ton of salesHis favorite story didn’t win, but it got the votes of allAnd now he’s got his No Award on the mantle of his hall!

Our proper, cool new Editor wrote something of her ownAnd when the draft was finished she was scared to have it shownHer characters were thoughtful, worse, they acted morallyAnd Right and Wrong meant only that, and the good guys saved the day!

Our authors are the finest and our bloggers are our prideAnd when Dave Truesdale led a panel, tempers quickly friedWe’re sorry that the truth he told was just too strong for youThe SJWs kicked him out and loudly cried boo hoo!

When Truesdale took the mic, he said some things that were no funThe audience was rude indeed, and told him he was done!The Emperor has no clothes, he said, the Hugos are a jestPolitical correctness has become the litmus test!

"The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it thinks that if you can't see it, it can't see you. Therefore, the best defense against a Bugblatter Beast is to wrap a towel around your head."

Did Dave Truesdale submit a harassment claim? Certainly someone screaming out at him during his panel has to be against the CoC, right? Or it would be if it was the behavior, not the politics of the harasser, that actually mattered.

what I find equally interesting is in the facebook comment threads on this...the dishonest lackwits are whining about 'how dare he record the panel!' or 'I don't understand why he felt the need to record the panel' type responses from those with their noses out of joint and their knickers in a twist, because I as pointed out previously...their lies have been disproven..BECAUSE he went ahead and recorded it. Because he's a fucking writer, editor and owner operator of a scifi fanzine/ezine that's been in existence for over 2 decades you hamfisted donkey fucking imbeciles! that is all

And when they're not deleting their posts they're complaining about whether or not he was allowed to make the recording, or that it was a set up by him, or anything but looking at the evidence he posted that vindicates him and makes the concom look like an even bigger bunch of jackasses than the fuckwits that ran last year's awards ceremony.

Booted from the con, via e-mail, without even the slightest pretense of following the con's rules regarding investigations of potential con rule violations that include getting all sides of the story. And yet he's the one that's in the wrong...

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