Is it better (quicker or easier) steering than the 2011 18m? The old 18m is fairly slow but its static power is the best I've come across, I was wondering if the LTD is better in that department.

Have you ridden the 2012 Dyno, can you compare it to the LTD? Is the LTD faster/easier steering and does it have similar or more power?

How did you like the upwind, 2011 was great on both TT and directional, is the LTD same/similar/better?

Thanks for your time and opinions,

Robbie

Used 5 line bar. Steering with one hand feels same as Dyno 18. Riding Toeside it is just like the 18 in that you have to pay attention as it wants to slowly work it's way down towards the water. Have to keep am eye on it not to touch Wingtip just like the 18.

Have not ridden the 2012 17M.

It feels as if the Static Power is the same as the 18. Will test that again.

It drifts GREAT when you are on a Wave.

The upwind is equal to the 18 as best as I can tell.

One thing I know for sure is that on the UPSTROKE it has More juice than the 18 does. It also seems to Accelerate the board faster when a gust hits than he 18M.

One thing I love is when making a turn it keeps pulling my 245 pies at just the wright Speed. It coming off a plane. Other kites I have flown did not.

I hook it to a pole when launching and landing and I can tell you it's very stable all the way down to touchdown when landing.

The leading edge is smaller than the 18.

Hope for more testing this weekend. Will also try and ride the 18 back to back.

Can you elaborate a little on the steering? If the steering is roughly the same, ie same amount of bar pressure but is the kite faster turning compared to the 18?

Also, not sure if the kite has the steering adjustment or 'adaptive steering' option, if so did you adjust for faster/slower steering, what happened, much change in performance? For me, I preferred the slower setting on the 18, but the faster on the 17m.

Can you elaborate a little on the steering? If the steering is roughly the same, ie same amount of bar pressure but is the kite faster turning compared to the 18?

Also, not sure if the kite has the steering adjustment or 'adaptive steering' option, if so did you adjust for faster/slower steering, what happened, much change in performance? For me, I preferred the slower setting on the 18, but the faster on the 17m.

Thanks again,

Robbie

The 17 LTD turns easier and smoother to me. The shape of the 17 on the wingtips is more swept back than the 18. So, when you pull on the bar to turn it FEELS quicker. The 17 is faster through the window.

The bar pressure on the 17 Set on Soft may be a touch more than the 18. I flew the 17 on Med bar pressure and the Bar pressure was way 2 much. Like the Fat Lady.

Can you elaborate a little on the steering? If the steering is roughly the same, ie same amount of bar pressure but is the kite faster turning compared to the 18?

Also, not sure if the kite has the steering adjustment or 'adaptive steering' option, if so did you adjust for faster/slower steering, what happened, much change in performance? For me, I preferred the slower setting on the 18, but the faster on the 17m.

Thanks again,

Robbie

The 17 LTD turns easier and smoother to me. The shape of the 17 on the wingtips is more swept back than the 18. So, when you pull on the bar to turn it FEELS quicker. The 17 is faster through the window.

The bar pressure on the 17 Set on Soft may be a touch more than the 18. I flew the 17 on Med bar pressure and the Bar pressure was way 2 much. Like the Fat Lady.