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Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

Originally Posted by SporkLover

Mauer is the maybe... Miggy over Votto though.

Someone would be insane NOT to take Cabrera over Votto. Cabrera has that rare blend of power and a high batting average. Cabrera also plays more of a premium position at 3B. I wouldn't however trade Votto for ANY pitcher, because you just never know with those guys from one year to the next if they are going to continue pitching well or get injured...or who knows?

Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

Originally Posted by Lewdog

Someone would be insane to NOT take Votto over Cabrera. Cabrera has that rare blend of power and a high batting average. Cabrera also plays more of a premium position at 3B. I wouldn't however trade Votto for ANY pitcher, because you just never know with those guys from one year to the next if they are going to continue pitching well or get injured...or who knows?

Yep.

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Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

Other side of 30 going into 2014 and the Reds are on the hook for $215M over the next ten seasons.

On the open market, I think Joey would get a 6/140 contract this offseason and nothing close to 10/215M. Clearly the Reds are going to overpay on this over the duration of the contract and I still don't understand why the large overpay. I just hope the 3-4 out years aren't franchise crippling and they can extract enough value over the next ~6 years to stay competitive.

Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

I agree that we're overpaying on the deal, but there's something to be said about keeping these career players. I grew up watching the Reds and Barry Larkin. Larkin (and the 1990 World Series) are the main reasons why I've always felt the Reds were my team. Plus, Votto's particular approach to hitting will most likely be maintained over the long term. He may not be hitting them out of the park as often as we'd like, but he's an on base machine.

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Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

Originally Posted by Beer&Bourbon

I agree that we're overpaying on the deal, but there's something to be said about keeping these career players. I grew up watching the Reds and Barry Larkin. Larkin (and the 1990 World Series) are the main reasons why I've always felt the Reds were my team. Plus, Votto's particular approach to hitting will most likely be maintained over the long term. He may not be hitting them out of the park as often as we'd like, but he's an on base machine.

More worried about Votto's mental make-up, especially as his skills start to fade a bit.
He's a shy private guy, and he's seems to be a little different.
He already fades some when the bright lights are on, and I think he would much prefer to be more in the background, and not "THE GUY". But he is the guy because of the huge contract.
Now I hope I'm totally wrong and he wins a couple more MVP's and carries the REDS to a WS championship or 2 and makes it to the HOF!

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Re: What is Votto's Market Value?

Originally Posted by Larry Schuler

A round for everyone who accurately predicted Joey Votto would receive multiple knee surgeries and be too injured to perform at his normal level!

i'm all for trading Joey if it means we bring in a couple young HITTERS. This team is dying for hitting, pitching is nice but what good is it if you cant get your pitchers any wins because you're one of the 5 worst offenses in baseball

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