looks like a brushed motor to me

rob

No mine IS a brushless motor, I'm sorry for the confusion everyone! I didn't inspect the website closely enough. I thought it would be the same thing that I bought since it is the manufacturers - Lite Machines website. I bought mine from a hobby store in my area though and not from the website. I did pay the same price as the website though, $620, and that is another reason why I thought it was the same thing and did not closely inspect the website.

Sorry again for the confusion. My package DOES include the brushless motor AND the aluminum frame NOT the wooden one.

What is going on, i was offered to buy this same heli, $260 shipped! Good thing I bumped onto this message!

cashed them?
are you saying that he recieved both checks and cashed them?you need to contact your bank and see if they can reverse them or find out if they were cashed at a bank that he hopefully has an acc at.if so then contact their local law enforcment with the info.

Just F'in great. I also "bought" this heli from this guy over at RCGroups, and he obviously hasn't shipped it. I sent a Postal Money Order that he received a week ago today, and every day PM's me back after I request tracking that he has been super busy. Obviously he isn't shipping squat and intends to keep my money and others as well.

I'm filing mail fraud ASAP and any other options there are available. Any one live in Pensacola, FL...?

First steps
You should try hard to work this out with the alleged scammer before going straight to authorities. Most threads in the theft report are actually resolved so don’t lose hope right away. Sometimes the breakdown in communication can lead to further panic. Although you have the right to worry sending “threatening” private messages and instant messages do not help. This will only further delay and break down communication more.

Getting Information on alleged scammer

If he/she has chosen to not to responded you do have some options to go on. If you have the seller/traders full name or address you can try searching for their information on 411.com This will provide you with a major advantage when contacting them. Fully explain the situation to his/her parents on what has happened. This will almost guarantee a successful ending.

Other members that have been scammed by the user

If you are going to call the users local authorities try to find other members that have been scammed by the same user. Chances are if he/she scammed you he/she has scammed somebody else. Have each user call the investigator or local authority and fill out a report (theres a lot of writing so be ready). The more information the investigator has the better the case the better chance you have of getting your item(s) back.

Contact with the alleged scammer

Threatening people defiantly is what you shouldn't do. This will not only make the alleged scammer angry, but it will lessen your chances of he/she wanting to cooperate with you. You should try to work this out calmly. Don’t get me wrong telling the user what your next action will be if the item isn’t received is ok.

Finding more Information on alleged scammers

Finding as much useful information on the alleged scammer as possible is a great advantage. This could include searching his or her screen name, Myspace and any other way you can get useful information to regain your item(s). Try to find the users team, school or any other affiliation that could help you.

Saving Information

Always save private messages, instant message conversations or any other way you have contacted the member. All information can help you regain your item(s). You would be surprised what some investigators will ask; that’s why all information should be saved.

Getting the word out

Try to get the word out that you were scammed is another great advantage. The reason I say this is because most friends of the alleged scammer will not approve of this and mention something to he or she causing them embarrassment and hopefully return on your item. I mean who wants to be around a scammer? I know I don’t.

Last Resort
Now that you have tried all of the above to recover your scammed items you should take legal actions. I recommend filing a IFCC complaint with http://www.ic3.gov/. This Helps out alot and can potentially get your items back. I also recommend filing Mail fraud https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/f...Complaint.aspx. Mail fraud is a felony and could also help you out. Please CLICK HERE for info on mail fraud.

In the event you're in this section of these forums you have either A)Been Scammed or feel funny about a deal your working on.None the less you need to know why WE say File police reports and who needs to do this.
Your parents if under 18 need to get on this the very minute you figure out a theft has taken place.
Step 1)
http://www.411.com they have a tab for reversed address look up,you shipped to this person now use the info you have to help you.
If you get it have a adult call and speak about this with a parent(record the conversation with a old answering machine(worth $20 to help bust a thief).
This is fully legal and you have no legal obligation to inform the person your speaking with they are being recorded(this is not entrapment) ENTRAPMENT is when you set up a situation and lead the person into committing a crime or false statement.
If you simply speak to them asking where your property is and they say something stupid like you lose or oh well then thats great.

Step 2)Send a Certified Letter with your intentions legally if your property isn't returned withing 5 business days.Your local court house will send these out for a small fee and keep record of what they say as the keep duplicates on file and they ship the letter out for you(this way they can notarize the letter and have proof of the contents)

Step 3)File a police report in person w/pictures of you property,Pictures of your computer screen of any conversations you may have had with the person behind this.Tracking and shipping info along with his phone # if STEP 1 produced the info,also if step 1 worked then a recorded conversation can further show the investigator what type of person you dealt with.

If the officer tells you this is a CIVIL matter hand him a printed copy of this and go to his superior.

MAIL FRAUD

Mail fraud is an act of fraud using the U.S. Postal Service, such as making false representations through the mail to obtain an economic advantage. Black's Law Dictionary 687 (8th ed. 2005) It is substantially similar to wire fraud, and like the Supreme Court of the United States warning in Pasquantino v. United States, __ U.S. __, __, 125 S. Ct. 1766, 1784 (2005) (Ginsburg, J. dissenting) concerning an overbroad interpretation of the wire fraud statute, the mail fraud statute should be narrowly construed in order to avoid an extension of its applicability beyond the limits envisioned by Congress. See United States v. Murphy, 323 F.3d 102, 116 (3d Cir. 2003) (citing McNally v. United States, 483 U.S. 350, 360 (1987) superseded on other grounds by 18 U.S.C. § 1346 (2005) (schemes "to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services" are proscribed)).

The Crime
Section 1341 is a rather dense and convoluted statute. Under this section, it is a crime

* for a person who has devised or intends to devise any scheme or artifice
o to defraud, or
o the Environmental Protection Agency; see United States v. White, 270 F.3d 356 (6th Cir. 2001);
o to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any
+ counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or
+ anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article,
o for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice,
* to place in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter,
o any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or
* to deposit or cause to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or
* to take or receive therefrom, any such matter or thing, or
* to knowingly cause to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or
* at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed,
* any such matter or thing, 18 U.S.C. § 1341 (2005).

In many ways, it is just simpler to realize that mail fraud is primarily devising a scheme or artifice to defraud and then using the nation's mail system to carry that scheme out.

The Punishment
The punishment under section 1341 is

* a fine, imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both.

If the violation affects a financial institution, the punishment is

* a fine of not more than $ 1,000,000, imprisonment for not more than 30 years, or both. 18 U.S.C. § 1341 (2005).

I just see to many people get scammed and assume that bashing this person on PBN will get you any where.

Hope this helps even further with anyone seeking help to pursue their theft.

Mail fraud is a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 1341. Under this section, it is illegal to devise a scheme to defraud and then use the mail to carry out the scheme. The punishment for committing mail fraud is a fine, imprisonment for up to 20 years, or both.

Wire fraud, which is a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 1343, makes it a crime for a person to devise a scheme or artifice to defraud and use wire, television, or radio communication technologies to carry out the scheme. Violating section 1343 can be punished by a fine, imprisonment for up to 20 years, or both. If a financial institution is harmed in the commission of the fraud, the fine can be as high as $1,000,000 and the prison sentence can be up to 30 years.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 2314, it is a crime for a person to transport any good in interstate or foreign commerce with a value of at least $5,000, knowing that that good is stolen.

Reasons why I never EVER use anything other than paypal. Especialy with someone that has not history. Good luck, sorry to hear.

Thanks for the in depth info. I never sent any mean natured emails just simply said if he doesn't reply back at all that I would let the Post Office follow up on the matter. He quit PM'ing once I asked for my money back, and that is all I said in that message...

Anyway the guy has most definately stolen my money along with at least the other guy here who has lost $520 in checks to him that were cashed. I did some searching online and found loads of info including his criminal records and also another forum for gaming where he has also ripped off some people. I have a phone number, mailing address, drivers license and college id info (which is probably expired) but still has info available and more. Shouldn't be too hard for authorities to add another felony to his record if we can all file complaints ASAP... The thing for him to do now would be simply to return the money he has taken, but I have zero faith in that ever happening...

Call him or e-mail him with a last chance warning, if he fails to reply. Go ahead and contact his local authority, file mail fraud etc. Contact your banks and see if they can do a charge back.

Mine was a USPS Money Order so no bank to call, but I will file with the Post Office for mail fraud which is a felony (which this guy already has looking at his criminal report). I will also file a report with my local Police Department, shouldn't be too tough as I have a cousin who is a Police Officer here locally, then I'll file through his local PD in Pensacola, FL...

I've found another gaming forum where he stole yet another $300 (so as far as I know that is 2 RC sites and 2 gaming sites he has scammed on). No telling how much the guy has scammed over the net, but with all of his information so readily available as he has gave the same phone number to all of these people, plus I have him on my caller id, then there is the address the MO was sent to. Anyway, point is it shouldn't be too hard to lock this guy down via the police as the total he has stolen now is well over a thousand that I know of. Probably much more, but I will not sit around and just blow off the money I have lost.

Here is his response after I pm'd him to contact me directly or I would go legal:

"um, wtf are you talking about man? No one has bought my heli but you...a lot of people contacted me before, but you were the only one that I sold it to...and i am sending it to you THIS Monday....

Calm down man, not everyone can be on the computer 24/7 like you. People actually do have lives and are busy......

Jesus."

Obviously he has no intention of shipping anything. He has got me for $400. An expensive lesson to learn about doing business with a newbie. Very sad. Anyway, if anyone out there has a way to get to him in Florida, please PM me and I will assist/cooperate in any way I can.

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