Kaine doesn't really have the feats to justify him beating Spider-man yet although he does have the potential so I can't really say who'd win. Going by feats alone its got to be Parker. Perhaps in a few more issues we'll get some better stuff from Kaine.

Kaine doesn't really have the feats to justify him beating Spider-man yet although he does have the potential so I can't really say who'd win. Going by feats alone its got to be Parker. Perhaps in a few more issues we'll get some better stuff from Kaine.

this. parker is the original and the spidersense give him an edge but kaine's other attributes are greater then parkers i believe.

Parker. Kaine really only has a strength advantage, in my opinion. I think spider sense, intelligence, fighting skills, and better overall gadgetry compensates for that in my opinion, and Kaine's more vicious nature isn't going to surface against Peter.

I don't see Spidey intentionally propelling himself off a skyscraper and landing on his feet on a moving vehicle (and utterly destroying the vehicle) anytime soon, though. Durability is important. And in standard gear (EotE armor notwithstanding), Peter doesn't really have much to help him against Kaine. At least not anything he has used more than once in his current run. On the other hand, Kaine's suit is fairly useless against Peter, too. Intelligence is the same, and the ways Peter is more apt (science) don't really apply here. Fighting skill is indeed an important aspect, in case Peter decides to use pressure points. Kaine never really had a spider sense in the way Peter does but he never seemed to have many issues to land some hits, and now he uses speed more frequently than he used to, on top of his Other abilities, which should also give him a boost in speed.

Destroying vehicles isn't really Spider-Man's M.O., though. I don't know if it's an issue of he couldn't do it, so much as he wouldn't. Remember, he did tank a vehicle Flash threw at him by ramming it with his shoulder and I believe that vehicle was pretty fubared afterward. I do agree Kaine utilizes his speed moreso now than he once did, but I guess I look back to their most recent encounter when Kaine was in man-spider form and how the combination of Spider Fu and spider sense allowed Parker to pretty thoroughly outfight Kaine, who appeared to have enough of his faculties to be fully aware of Parker's pre-Way of the Spider capabilities based on the dialogue during Spider Island. I was counting EoE armor toward Parker's gear toward this fight, but I'll give you he doesn't use a lot of the referenced gear like chill pellets frequently. Lastly, even though technically they are of equal intelligence, Parker is more versed not only in the sciences but I think he has a more proven track record of using his intelligence to overcome physically superior combatants on the spur of the moment.

@BringnIt: I remember, and I'm one of those preaching the gospel that Spider-Man should never be really hurt by anything short of characters in the multiple tons range (whenever people bring up someone like, say, Cap hurting him), but Kaine flat out jumped off a skyscraper and trashed it without any damage to himself. That's pretty impressive. Peter did outfight Kaine in his Spider King form, but then again, that was not really Kaine in the capacity we once knew him, or we do now, at least not physically, which is why I believe this fight would play out very differently in comparison, regardless of winner. As far as intellect goes, yes, Spidey does have a penchant for improvisation, but he also has the benefit of fighting characters that are of below average intellect (at least most of the time), so some environment utilization would logically be something Kaine will see coming rather easily, particularly given the location.

Fair enough. For the record, I think it's a very close matchup. Kaine is a straight up boss and one of my favorites. I think that sans Ends of the Earth armor, Parker takes a slim majority for the reasons I stated as well as my belief that Kaine would hold back against Peter in character. I think with Parker's current armor, though, he takes a strong majority here.

I agree that Kaine in his new series (awesome) hasnt had any real feats, but having all of peters powers plus some extras and a lack of moral fiber at times would give him the edge in a brawl. the question should be Ben Reilly vs Scarlet Spider Kaine. :D anyone? no? ok :(

I agree that Kaine in his new series (awesome) hasnt had any real feats, but having all of peters powers plus some extras and a lack of moral fiber at times would give him the edge in a brawl. the question should be Ben Reilly vs Scarlet Spider Kaine. :D anyone? no? ok :(

Kaine has practically made a profession out of beating up Ben, that shouldn't change now.

@Dernman: Since the picture actually is from the Season One GN that was released just now, I think it's just a matching description for that pic (which is included automatically by adding the picture) instead for an Spider-Man being in his early years here.

Kaine and Spidey stats are equal Kaine being a little more durable and Spidey having the spider sense but all in all I think it comes down to the morals which kaine lack of will help him win by a hair.

Kaine and Spidey stats are equal Kaine being a little more durable and Spidey having the spider sense but all in all I think it comes down to the morals which kaine lack of will help him win by a hair.

I don't think Kaine's morals are a factor as he is on different standings for Peter now. He died for Peter before. I don't think he's going to try and harm Peter, so the morals aren't an issue in this fight.

I'm going with Peter due to Spider-sense and experience with his powers. Kaine can't even web swing as good as Peter, I can't imagine him fighting as well as Peter can due to spider senses.

@Morpheus_: True but he also has very intelligent foes like norman, otto, lizard. i think parker is better at using his surroundings.

He doesn't normally outsmart those guys in combat, though. And the Lizard is not only feral nine times out of then that he fights Spider-Man, but Peter has never once truly beat him physically, either.

Really? I wonder about that because while Kaine has the more powerful Other powers, he does not have a spider sense. I would assume the slightly weaker and slower Spider-Man would make up for it by just having that autopilot precog business.

@Erik: Something we don't have definite confirmation is Kaine's strength. I'm not sure if he is at 20 tons, there hasn't been a handbook entry for the new Kaine has there?

Not that I can recall but he has displayed the other... uh... Other powers sans the spider sense, I have no idea why he would not be at 20 tons. Actually, I am wondering why he does not have the amped spider sense.

If morals are on then this fight shouldn't even exist buuut... My money's on Pete. I'm not sure what the official stats for either of them are but it stands to reason that Kaine's stronger/more durable and Pete's faster/more agile. Sure Kaine could knock Pete out with a few good hits, but he'd have to catch him first and even if he does, Pete's a pro when it comes to last minute escapes. That and Pete's got the whole spider-sense and experience thing going for him. Peter learned a lot in his pre-college years and Kaine doesn't have that, and what Kaine does have he hasn't had the chance to put most of it to practice. But again, by its own rules, this fight is non-existant. Now that they regard each other as brothers the most we can realistically expect from them is a sparring match (if there's no mind-control in the works to make it otherwise). Here's my question though: Kaine vs Shathra(a.k.a Spider-Wasp)?

@SlimJ87D: Well I'm not sure if he has the other powers exactly (not sure where everyone is getting that info from) but he seems to be comparable to peter in terms of strength/striking force. The crater he caused in scarlet spider #2 seems to be comparable to the crater spider-man created when he punched flash venom in venom#3.

@Atora: Hero's fight each other all the time with morals on. Daredevil fought captain America recently while both were in morals, captain America fought gambit while both were in morals, etc. There are scenarios where the 2 will fight while in morals regardless of there bond.

As a clone Kaine does not set off Peter's spider-sense. In the clone saga we saw that Ben, Peter and Kaine did not trip off each other's senses so spider-sense is void here. However Peter has better feats and is indeed more skilled. Pete most likely wins. Maybe in the new year we'll see some awesome feats for Kaine allowing him to compete.