mephisto6:Goddamn, we can carry on a heated argument about anything. She probably left behind a crap-ton of hair, some cop said, "Really? Throw that in the dog-crap can it looks stupid.""Nope.""Fine.""FINE!""No really, it's a fine. Here. "

KawhostaYucwy:Bathysphere: The My Little Pony Killer: Birds could have used that hair to make nests.

This.

In July? Birds build nests in the spring.

There has to be more to this story. Has this been an ongoing problem at this park? Had she been warned before? There are a lot of unanswered questions, but if that clump of hair in her hand is any indication of the mess she left, it must have been pretty bad. It also proves it's possible to pick it up.

Here's a birds-nest in a palm tree off my balcony in July.:)

That was last July, but there's a new family squatting here right now and they just hatched!

Fark_Guy_Rob:jtown: ReapTheChaos: Littering is littering, how is dog hair any different than food wrappers or soda cans? Those kind of dogs have particularly thick coats and with the "heat wave" they're having there I'm sure they were shedding quite a bit. What I find particularly hilarious is how she says she always picks up litter when she's at the park yet shes shocked that it wasn't ok to just leave a pile of her precious dogs hair lying on the ground.

Aside from being a natural substance rather than man-made, birds often use hair for nesting material. Why do cops hate birds?

There is nothing natural about our pets.

The number of, and types of, dogs we keep as pets are not naturally sustainable. Without people purchasing them, providing for them, and raising them as pets - these dogs would never exist in such numbers. The amount of land and wildlife required to keep a wild dog alive is far more than we could allocated to each dog, particularly in population dense areas like cities. In rural Iowa - sure - let your dog crap in the middle of your 10 acres of land. It can crap for an entire lifetime and you'll never have a problem.

But open a park in the middle of New York, or London....and suddenly you've got a park the size of a city block that has 200 dogs pooping in it, each day. That's not natural.

Yes, dogs shed. Their coats and shedding habits were the result of evolution, until people got involved. Now we buy whatever dog is 'pretty'. That dog was meant to live in places like Siberia (no seriously, that's where the Siberian Huskie comes from) - but it is pretty, so let's have it in the UK! So the AMOUNT of shedding that dog will do is hardly natural.

So you've got an unnatural population density of dogs that are unnaturally suited for their environment. I find it hard to buy the, 'But it is natural' argument.

And even if I did - so what? Being natural isn't justification. Violence is natural. Sex is natural. Nudity is natural....none of these things ...

Fark_Guy_Rob:jtown: ReapTheChaos: Littering is littering, how is dog hair any different than food wrappers or soda cans? Those kind of dogs have particularly thick coats and with the "heat wave" they're having there I'm sure they were shedding quite a bit. What I find particularly hilarious is how she says she always picks up litter when she's at the park yet shes shocked that it wasn't ok to just leave a pile of her precious dogs hair lying on the ground.

Aside from being a natural substance rather than man-made, birds often use hair for nesting material. Why do cops hate birds?

There is nothing natural about our pets.

The number of, and types of, dogs we keep as pets are not naturally sustainable. Without people purchasing them, providing for them, and raising them as pets - these dogs would never exist in such numbers. The amount of land and wildlife required to keep a wild dog alive is far more than we could allocated to each dog, particularly in population dense areas like cities. In rural Iowa - sure - let your dog crap in the middle of your 10 acres of land. It can crap for an entire lifetime and you'll never have a problem.

But open a park in the middle of New York, or London....and suddenly you've got a park the size of a city block that has 200 dogs pooping in it, each day. That's not natural.

Yes, dogs shed. Their coats and shedding habits were the result of evolution, until people got involved. Now we buy whatever dog is 'pretty'. That dog was meant to live in places like Siberia (no seriously, that's where the Siberian Huskie comes from) - but it is pretty, so let's have it in the UK! So the AMOUNT of shedding that dog will do is hardly natural.

So you've got an unnatural population density of dogs that are unnaturally suited for their environment. I find it hard to buy the, 'But it is natural' argument.

And even if I did - so what? Being natural isn't justification. Violence is natural. Sex is natural. Nudity is natural....none of these things are widely accepted by modern societies, certainly not in public parks.

Giant clumps of dog hair *is* litter. And she left them *in a public park*. That makes her guilty of littering.

If everyone that went to the park left behind that amount of liter the park would be trashed in a few weeks.

KawhostaYucwy:mephisto6: I dunno, maybe June? Watched them dicking around with twigs & shiat, went to San Diego, came back and there it is.

Dial it back dude, I don't even disagree with that cop.

Dial it back? Seriously? I questioned the claim that birds would use dog hair to build nests in July. You replied with an incomplete response and I asked a clarifying question with an expanded comment explaining that it doesn't really matter. If you want to debate a topic, then do so. Don't get so defensive.

KawhostaYucwy:mephisto6: KawhostaYucwy: mephisto6: I dunno, maybe June? Watched them dicking around with twigs & shiat, went to San Diego, came back and there it is.

Dial it back dude, I don't even disagree with that cop.

Dial it back? Seriously? I questioned the claim that birds would use dog hair to build nests in July. You replied with an incomplete response and I asked a clarifying question with an expanded comment explaining that it doesn't really matter. If you want to debate a topic, then do so. Don't get so defensive.

Yes, seriously.Talk about defensive.

And here I thought I was debating with someone with some integrity.

I hope you grow up some day, but it won't be my problem if you never do. I'm through with you.

Oh ffs. Look, I'm too tired to muster faux-outrage this morning.The article and comments made me grin and I made a couple light-hearted comments and posted a flippin birds nest picture.

BunkyBrewman:When I used to brush out one of my shepherds, you'd be able to get two plastic grocery bags full of hair.

I have a long haired shepherd/border collie cross. He is a shaggy beast. I could corn row his butt fur. When I brush him, I get a whole 'nother dog's worth of fur. It's nuts. I have to vacuum every day, twice a day in summer. I'm thinking of spinning his fur and knitting a sweater.

mephisto6:KawhostaYucwy: mephisto6: KawhostaYucwy: mephisto6: I dunno, maybe June? Watched them dicking around with twigs & shiat, went to San Diego, came back and there it is.

Dial it back dude, I don't even disagree with that cop.

Dial it back? Seriously? I questioned the claim that birds would use dog hair to build nests in July. You replied with an incomplete response and I asked a clarifying question with an expanded comment explaining that it doesn't really matter. If you want to debate a topic, then do so. Don't get so defensive.

Yes, seriously.Talk about defensive.

And here I thought I was debating with someone with some integrity.

I hope you grow up some day, but it won't be my problem if you never do. I'm through with you.

Oh ffs. Look, I'm too tired to muster faux-outrage this morning.The article and comments made me grin and I made a couple light-hearted comments and posted a flippin birds nest picture.

My outrage depends on whether or not there's a zero tolerance policy in place. Someone brushing out a Jack Russell in the park shouldn't be ticketed. If I brush out my malamute and leave an ungodly amount of hair behind, I should get a ticket.

Yes...because she was littering. Asinine tag is either for the woman or for subby, I assume.

Cleaning up after brushing isn't even hard. The farking hair stays stuck on the farking comb until you pull it off. The only way for it to end up on the ground is for the woman to intentionally pull it off the comb and intentionally just drop it in the park.

You're truly okay with the woman getting a ticket for brushing her dogs' hair?

Yes...because she was littering. Asinine tag is either for the woman or for subby, I assume.

Cleaning up after brushing isn't even hard. The farking hair stays stuck on the farking comb until you pull it off. The only way for it to end up on the ground is for the woman to intentionally pull it off the comb and intentionally just drop it in the park.

You're truly okay with the woman getting a ticket for brushing her dogs' hair?

It's all a matter of perspective. You plan a date, take time off from work, cook a meal, pack a picnic, put on some sunscreen, go to the park with your love, set up your blanket, set the food out. A nice breeze springs up, all is right in the world. Then a clump of dog hair wafts by on the breeze, gets in your food, sticks to your sunscreen, you then go home from your ruined day and spend 10 minutes removing dog hair from your blanket with a lint roller.

Clearly this is a hyperbolic fantasy scenario, but leaving your crap in a public park is a selfish action with the real potential to inconvenience others, and I think a fine is perfectly appropriate.

bunner:ReapTheChaos: Littering is littering, how is dog hair any different than food wrappers or soda cans?

Biodegradability?

Just because something is biodegradable doesn't mean it's OK to litter it. Half finished burger? No prob! Just toss it on the ground. Done with your tight whities? Hang em from a tree branch! Gotta take a shiat? You know where this is going...

kim jong-un:Other than the fact that loose hair from brushing a dog is not a problem. Enforcing rules to control behavior that isn't actually causing problems just wastes time and degrades quality of life.

You know what degrades quality of life? Being exposed to dog dander when being deathly allergic. If every dog owner at the park did the same as her, there could easily be health issues with that amount of dog hair, especially from heavy shedders like German shepherds.

Lor M. Ipsum:kim jong-un: Other than the fact that loose hair from brushing a dog is not a problem. Enforcing rules to control behavior that isn't actually causing problems just wastes time and degrades quality of life.

You know what degrades quality of life? Being exposed to dog dander when being deathly allergic. If every dog owner at the park did the same as her, there could easily be health issues with that amount of dog hair, especially from heavy shedders like German shepherds.

Tell me about it. As someone who is really allergic to certain perfumes and cigarette smoke it is terrible. I keep trying to get laws passed preventing people from wearing purfume (it is terrible being stuck in the elevator with them!) or smoking in groups more than 2 but no luck yet.

This woman is wrong, rude, and deserving of the fine. As has been said, shepherds shed a LOT. When you brush them, you get tumbleweeds. Many big tumbleweeds. These blow around and get on other people and their stuff. It's nasty.

Yes...because she was littering. Asinine tag is either for the woman or for subby, I assume.

Cleaning up after brushing isn't even hard. The farking hair stays stuck on the farking comb until you pull it off. The only way for it to end up on the ground is for the woman to intentionally pull it off the comb and intentionally just drop it in the park.

You're truly okay with the woman getting a ticket for brushing her dogs' hair?

It's all a matter of perspective. You plan a date, take time off from work, cook a meal, pack a picnic, put on some sunscreen, go to the park with your love, set up your blanket, set the food out. A nice breeze springs up, all is right in the world. Then a clump of dog hair wafts by on the breeze, gets in your food, sticks to your sunscreen, you then go home from your ruined day and spend 10 minutes removing dog hair from your blanket with a lint roller.

Clearly this is a hyperbolic fantasy scenario, but leaving your crap in a public park is a selfish action with the real potential to inconvenience others, and I think a fine is perfectly appropriate.

Carth:Lor M. Ipsum: kim jong-un: Other than the fact that loose hair from brushing a dog is not a problem. Enforcing rules to control behavior that isn't actually causing problems just wastes time and degrades quality of life.

You know what degrades quality of life? Being exposed to dog dander when being deathly allergic. If every dog owner at the park did the same as her, there could easily be health issues with that amount of dog hair, especially from heavy shedders like German shepherds.

Tell me about it. As someone who is really allergic to certain perfumes and cigarette smoke it is terrible. I keep trying to get laws passed preventing people from wearing purfume (it is terrible being stuck in the elevator with them!) or smoking in groups more than 2 but no luck yet.

I'm not allergic to perfumes but I agree that the way some people wear it, it's obnoxious. Perfume is supposed to be an intimate thing for only those who get close to appreciate, unfortunately most people wear it as a statement forcing everyone in a 25 foot radius to breathe it in.

Carth:Lor M. Ipsum: kim jong-un: Other than the fact that loose hair from brushing a dog is not a problem. Enforcing rules to control behavior that isn't actually causing problems just wastes time and degrades quality of life.

You know what degrades quality of life? Being exposed to dog dander when being deathly allergic. If every dog owner at the park did the same as her, there could easily be health issues with that amount of dog hair, especially from heavy shedders like German shepherds.

Tell me about it. As someone who is really allergic to certain perfumes and cigarette smoke it is terrible. I keep trying to get laws passed preventing people from wearing purfume (it is terrible being stuck in the elevator with them!) or smoking in groups more than 2 but no luck yet.

Yeah, not the best logic on my part. It would be like banning peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because someone with a nut allergy might step on a used napkin.

Still, dog hair tumbleweeds are not cool. If one catches you off guard, you'll be pulling dog hair out of your teeth for a week.

Lor M. Ipsum:bunner: ReapTheChaos: Littering is littering, how is dog hair any different than food wrappers or soda cans?

Biodegradability?

Just because something is biodegradable doesn't mean it's OK to litter it. Half finished burger? No prob! Just toss it on the ground. Done with your tight whities? Hang em from a tree branch! Gotta take a shiat? You know where this is going...