Rapmaster2000:She said that? This will surely get her yanked from Conservapedia's "Greatest Conservative Athletes" list meaning that JC Watts regains his position as the only black person to retain such an honor..

Good thing that JC's opinion of the way the US treats black quarterbacks never made it back home when he was playing with Ottawa in the CFL.

At my gym we give black people everything they want, they have their own changing rooms and showers, own equipment, hell they even have their own water fountain. None of it is as good as ours but there's more of us, so it's ok.

This girl needs to hire some better PR people. She is a walking endorsement machine-you can almost see her doing commercials for everything from makeup to yogurt...but not if she get all wrapped up in this mess.

If she values being outspoken more than millions of dollars-more power to her. I just hope she is making a conscious decision not to cash in on having worked so hard.

Hey black community stop acting like everything that happens to you is directly related to the color of your skin.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

Seriously, stop with the constant drum beat of racism and being a victim. If you have evidence it was based on your skin color fine, we [the rest of america] will listen and condemn those that should be condemned.

If not, I feel sad for you that you have given in to the social doctrine that all black people are oppressed all the time simply because of the color of their skin. You will never learn to grow from your losses as you will never internalize that you didn't achieve something because of your shortcomings, rather, you will constantly feel others cheated you out of something that was rightfully yours.

Rapmaster2000:She said that? This will surely get her yanked from Conservapedia's "Greatest Conservative Athletes" list meaning that JC Watts regains his position as the only black person to retain such an honor..

WhyKnot:Hey black community stop acting like everything that happens to you is directly related to the color of your skin.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

Seriously, stop with the constant drum beat of racism and being a victim. If you have evidence it was based on your skin color fine, we [the rest of america] will listen and condemn those that should be condemned.

If not, I feel sad for you that you have given in to the social doctrine that all black people are oppressed all the time simply because of the color of their skin. You will never learn to grow from your losses as you will never internalize that you didn't achieve something because of your shortcomings, rather, you will constantly feel others cheated you out of something that was rightfully yours.

Wow a black person being called a slave... I'm sure that has nothing to do with color

WhyKnot:Hey black community stop acting like everything that happens to you is directly related to the color of your skin.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

Seriously, stop with the constant drum beat of racism and being a victim. If you have evidence it was based on your skin color fine, we [the rest of america] will listen and condemn those that should be condemned.

If not, I feel sad for you that you have given in to the social doctrine that all black people are oppressed all the time simply because of the color of their skin. You will never learn to grow from your losses as you will never internalize that you didn't achieve something because of your shortcomings, rather, you will constantly feel others cheated you out of something that was rightfully yours.

While you make a couple valid points in here, I'm a bit tired of hearing you and some others throw around the term "black community" as if we're all bred into this groupthink mentality. Gabby Douglas speaks for herself. Oprah speaks for herself. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson speak for themselves. Judge these sort of things on a case by case basis and decide if its BS or not, but don't lump us all together as if all black people are going to rally around Douglas here.

While you make a couple valid points in here, I'm a bit tired of hearing you and some others throw around the term "black community" as if we're all bred into this groupthink mentality. Gabby Douglas speaks for herself. Oprah speaks for herself. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson speak for themselves. Judge these sort of things on a case by case basis and decide if its BS or not, but don't lump us all together as if all black people are going to rally around Douglas here.

Thank you for your response and my apologies...you are correct, I was painting with a rather broad brush. I will certainly make more of an effort to attribute activities to an individual rather than a community at large.

With that being said, I do feel that a large segment of the black populous does shoulder a victim mentality (brow beat into them by charlatans like AL and Jessie) and that when ever something happens to them, it is attributable to the color of their skin and not the content of their character.

Again my apologies and thank you for the correction, it was a fair and valid criticism.

coolio mackWhile you make a couple valid points in here, I'm a bit tired of hearing you and some others throw around the term "black community" as if we're all bred into this groupthink mentality. Gabby Douglas speaks for herself. Oprah speaks for herself. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson speak for themselves. Judge these sort of things on a case by case basis and decide if its BS or not, but don't lump us all together as if all black people are going to rally around Douglas here.

The media and racebaiting politicians create this absolute tribalism-the "us vs them" mentality, ignoring the fact that people of all races, especially in our melting pot of the US, are individuals who often have ideas that run counter to their ethnicity of race. But beware the person who thinks for themselves and disagrees with their race's popular views-you will be shouted down as an Uncle Tom or sellout simply because you dont swallow whole media hyped issues like Gabby Douglas' gym or George Zimmerman's suspected profiling. I think its the subtle, condescending treatment by too many in politics and media who ignore individuality that have helped to foster an attitude of "black community" oneness. The faster we get past that bullshiat, the better we'll all be.

WhyKnot:With that being said, I do feel that a large segment of the black populous does shoulder a victim mentality (brow beat into them by charlatans like AL and Jessie) and that when ever something happens to them, it is attributable to the color of their skin and not the content of their character.

Are you willing to at least cede that in many cases, black people ARE judged by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character?

/have been with friends as they got pulled over for DWB//I don't get pulled over unless I'm at least 15 over the speed limit///just like everything - some people exaggerate what happens so they feel discriminated against, but don't let that make you think that there isn't a whole lot of discrimination going on out there

Wow a black person being called a slave... I'm sure that has nothing to do with color

I must have missed this part of the article. link?

found my own link. If what she says is true, then the girls that said it should be kicked out of the gym.

According to this linked article, there were other black athletes there...so I why is she saying she is the only black girl....additionally, according to the article, neither Gabby nor her mother ever complained about such treatment...why not?

I really hope it didn't happen. If it did, I hope the girls that did it feel ashamed of themselves, and the gym bans them for life.

That being said, it doesn't change my position that I expressed earlier in the thread.

IAmRight:WhyKnot: With that being said, I do feel that a large segment of the black populous does shoulder a victim mentality (brow beat into them by charlatans like AL and Jessie) and that when ever something happens to them, it is attributable to the color of their skin and not the content of their character.

Are you willing to at least cede that in many cases, black people ARE judged by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character?

/have been with friends as they got pulled over for DWB//I don't get pulled over unless I'm at least 15 over the speed limit///just like everything - some people exaggerate what happens so they feel discriminated against, but don't let that make you think that there isn't a whole lot of discrimination going on out there

All people are judged by their appearance...of which skin color comes into play.

asian and a mexican standing next to each other...which is better at math?black gentleman in a 3 piece standing next to a white dude in wife beater and dirty pants and a 'south will rise again' hat...who do you trust with your wallet?indian (dot not feather) standing next to a guido....who do you ask to help with your computer?nerdy chick with glasses next to a high maintenance chick...who do you ask for directions to the mall?white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?

We all process ethic stereotypes, clothing, how people speak, mannerisms, cultural backgrounds, prior experiences, in every daily interaction that we have.

to answer your question, no I will not cede there are 'many' cases, I will cede there are cases, but I won't say 'many'. That being said, there are cases of racism by all groups against every other group. No group is the main perpetrator, nor is one group the main victim, all groups have racist elements.

While you make a couple valid points in here, I'm a bit tired of hearing you and some others throw around the term "black community" as if we're all bred into this groupthink mentality. Gabby Douglas speaks for herself. Oprah speaks for herself. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson speak for themselves. Judge these sort of things on a case by case basis and decide if its BS or not, but don't lump us all together as if all black people are going to rally around Douglas here.

Thank you for your response and my apologies...you are correct, I was painting with a rather broad brush. I will certainly make more of an effort to attribute activities to an individual rather than a community at large.

With that being said, I do feel that a large segment of the black populous does shoulder a victim mentality (brow beat into them by charlatans like AL and Jessie) and that when ever something happens to them, it is attributable to the color of their skin and not the content of their character.

Again my apologies and thank you for the correction, it was a fair and valid criticism.

No need to apologize, torr5962 put it perfectly in his post. Stephen A. Smith is one of the absolute worst at this, as he always runs to the black community line and thinks he speaks for all blacks in sports. I've also heard him use the phrase "homosexual community" in a couple different instances, which is even more ridiculous.

I do agree with your overall point though, which is why I didn't want to rage out on you or call you a troll like everyone seems to do around here when a poster brings up something about race. My father is a prime example of someone who's been a failure in his life and takes the stand that everyone is out to discriminate against him. And some of the reactions of other black people I heard after Obama got elected was some of the most idiotic, ignorant thinking I've heard.

Your post at the end of this thread is excellent as to how people are judged by their appearance. I notice a clear difference as to how I'm treated when wearing dress clothes as compared to some of the 'urban' gear I have. Walking down the street in nice clothes, I've gotten compliments and smiles. Urban gear, I've gotten women to pull close to their boyfriend or grip their purse a little tighter. I had one guy I was walking comfortably behind do a complete 180, step into the street, and let me pass before he kept going. It's a disappointing feeling, knowing that I'm pushing 30 and have never even been placed in cuffs - yet some people think I'm a common thug. But that's just the way life is and I'm not going to let a few bad apples taint my overall thinking.

Maybe we should break it down a little more than skin color...a bunch of pre-teen and teenage girls are working competitively at a sport where you peak long before you are emotionally mature enough to handle it. I have absolutely no doubt that there was a lot of bullying going on, maybe even some of it racist (because girls are not nice). But I would seriously doubt that the teachers and coaches were in any way responsible for it. And yes, I was bullied mercilessly from kindergarten through my senior year of high school. That's what kids do. Find some sort of weakness and attack.

WhyKnot:All people are judged by their appearance...of which skin color comes into play.

asian and a mexican standing next to each other...which is better at math?black gentleman in a 3 piece standing next to a white dude in wife beater and dirty pants and a 'south will rise again' hat...who do you trust with your wallet?indian (dot not feather) standing next to a guido....who do you ask to help with your computer?nerdy chick with glasses next to a high maintenance chick...who do you ask for directions to the mall?white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?

We all process ethic stereotypes, clothing, how people speak, mannerisms, cultural backgrounds, prior experiences, in every daily interaction that we have.

to answer your question, no I will not cede there are 'many' cases, I will cede there are cases, but I won't say 'many'. That being said, there are cases of racism by all groups against every other group. No group is the main perpetrator, nor is one group the main victim, all groups have racist elements.

oh ok, i guess i didn't realize that we live in a world where you make up stupid hypotheticals to justify your white knighting of a possible racist thing that happened. it might make you feel smart to be the "hey we don't know the full story yet" guy, but most people already had that thought. especially when reading an article about the controversy that doesn't even include Gabby's original comments.

why i think you're missing the point:

-- if i needed to ask two hypothetical people a question, i'd ask both of them because they're standing right there and i'm not sure who would be better at what-the-fark-ever i was asking them for. people are actually kind of diverse beyond whatever strawman you're trying to build.

-- the world ain't binary, brah. there could be some gray area in this whole situation that we don't know. but then, we don't really know very much at all do we?

-- nerdy chick with glasses *next* to a high-maintenance chick? you know how i know you don't know what you're talking about?

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

---- are you farking kidding me. do you live in the upper west side or something?

/ not sure if you're 14 or 60/ you're probably trolling anyway// had a few minutes to waste/// have to be at the bar in 26 minutes

scarbachi:WhyKnot:All people are judged by their appearance...of which skin color comes into play.

-- if i needed to ask two hypothetical people a question, i'd ask both of them because they're standing right there and i'm not sure who would be better at what-the-fark-ever i was asking them for. people are actually kind of diverse beyond whatever strawman you're trying to build.

-- the world ain't binary, brah. there could be some gray area in this whole situation that we don't know. but then, we don't really know very much at all do we?

-- nerdy chick with glasses *next* to a high-maintenance chick? you know how i know you don't know what you're talking about?

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

---- are you farking kidding me. do you live in the upper west side or something?

not trolling at all...just pointing out that we, as a society, are constantly judging people based upon a multitude of factors, of which skin color, right or wrong, is a factor. Pretending that we don't, well that is just silly.

A. Snatchfold:WhyKnot: Hey black community stop acting like everything that happens to you is directly related to the color of your skin.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

Seriously, stop with the constant drum beat of racism and being a victim. If you have evidence it was based on your skin color fine, we [the rest of america] will listen and condemn those that should be condemned.

If not, I feel sad for you that you have given in to the social doctrine that all black people are oppressed all the time simply because of the color of their skin. You will never learn to grow from your losses as you will never internalize that you didn't achieve something because of your shortcomings, rather, you will constantly feel others cheated you out of something that was rightfully yours.

Wow a black person being called a slave... I'm sure that has nothing to do with color

For a whole lot of kids that phrase holds virtually zero meaning towards black people. I'm not sure if people just don't care or kids are too stupid to learn.

So it does seem clearly racist and unacceptable although not entirely shocking or unexpected given the immaturity of kids especially in competition with each other. Kids will often latch on to any difference from the majority and exploit it whether it's how a kid's mother dresses them, whether they're overweight, for what church they go to or skin color.

WhyKnot:scarbachi: WhyKnot:All people are judged by their appearance...of which skin color comes into play.

-- if i needed to ask two hypothetical people a question, i'd ask both of them because they're standing right there and i'm not sure who would be better at what-the-fark-ever i was asking them for. people are actually kind of diverse beyond whatever strawman you're trying to build.

-- the world ain't binary, brah. there could be some gray area in this whole situation that we don't know. but then, we don't really know very much at all do we?

-- nerdy chick with glasses *next* to a high-maintenance chick? you know how i know you don't know what you're talking about?

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

---- are you farking kidding me. do you live in the upper west side or something?

not trolling at all...just pointing out that we, as a society, are constantly judging people based upon a multitude of factors, of which skin color, right or wrong, is a factor. Pretending that we don't, well that is just silly.

yes, i understand what you're "pointing out". but most people got that before you were so thoughtful to point it out.

did i say we don't think about skin color, ever? pretty sure i did not. what i said was, and i'm "just pointing out" here, it is not a 0-1 binary equation for making up strawmen.

your "i'm just being balanced" routine must be a big hit on stormfront.

the troll part i still like the best is this one:

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

you must have a lot of experience in real america!! because...ok i'm done, you are clearly a troll.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

White teammate loses a surefire Gild Medal by falling on her ass and still becoming an internet meme.....racism.

So it does seem clearly racist and unacceptable although not entirely shocking or unexpected given the immaturity of kids especially in competition with each other. Kids will often latch on to any difference from the majority and exploit it whether it's how a kid's mother dresses them, whether they're overweight, for what church they go to or skin color.

Clearly racist? Were you there? If you didnt hear it then you cant make that assumption, in every sport there is a hazing/taunting process, its like when MLB makes rookies dress up in drag or when NFL teams make rookie players carry their pads back to the locker room. Now, their hazing process may have been to make new gymnasts do menial tasks like a servant but the worst part about this may be their choice of words.

Contrary to popular belief, every white person in the south is not a racist trying to keep the black race down.

scarbachi:WhyKnot: scarbachi: WhyKnot:All people are judged by their appearance...of which skin color comes into play.

-- if i needed to ask two hypothetical people a question, i'd ask both of them because they're standing right there and i'm not sure who would be better at what-the-fark-ever i was asking them for. people are actually kind of diverse beyond whatever strawman you're trying to build.

-- the world ain't binary, brah. there could be some gray area in this whole situation that we don't know. but then, we don't really know very much at all do we?

-- nerdy chick with glasses *next* to a high-maintenance chick? you know how i know you don't know what you're talking about?

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

---- are you farking kidding me. do you live in the upper west side or something?

not trolling at all...just pointing out that we, as a society, are constantly judging people based upon a multitude of factors, of which skin color, right or wrong, is a factor. Pretending that we don't, well that is just silly.

yes, i understand what you're "pointing out". but most people got that before you were so thoughtful to point it out.

did i say we don't think about skin color, ever? pretty sure i did not. what i said was, and i'm "just pointing out" here, it is not a 0-1 binary equation for making up strawmen.

your "i'm just being balanced" routine must be a big hit on stormfront.

the troll part i still like the best is this one:

-- "white teenager and black teenager both at the mall, both wearing similar clothes...which one do you think has seen a gun in person?"

you must have a lot of experience in real america!! because...ok i'm done, you are clearly a troll.

/ a troll who is 15 years old, or even worse an adult.

You know what 'Brah', I really don't give two squirts of piss what you say.

I read an article where the gym explained 1) they never had any mention of complaints or hints of racism, 2) there are other black athletes in the gym that haven't shared her concerns, and 3) other athletes have come forward and said they never saw anything.

Based upon the above I responded, with my original post. In follow up, to another conversation about blacks being judged the 'color of their skin and not their character' I gave my hypotheticals to illustrate how people are constantly judged on a miriade of issues of which skin color is a factor.

As a result you subsequently said I was raising strawman arguments and am a member of stormfront, which I believe is a white supremacy website...so now I am also a racist.

You seem fasicinated by my "white v. black kid" scenario. I guess because I believe black kids are more likely to be exposed to guns that makes me a racist. Maybe I have wrong assumptions about kids and guns, but that certainly doesnt make me a racist.

A. Snatchfold:WhyKnot: Hey black community stop acting like everything that happens to you is directly related to the color of your skin.

Didn't get the best seat at a restaurant...racism.Didn't get a job...racism.Didn't get a promotion...racism.convenience store clerk looked at me twice while I was in the candy isle...racism.Didn't get the highest grade in the class...racism.gym mates didn't like me...racism.

Seriously, stop with the constant drum beat of racism and being a victim. If you have evidence it was based on your skin color fine, we [the rest of america] will listen and condemn those that should be condemned.

If not, I feel sad for you that you have given in to the social doctrine that all black people are oppressed all the time simply because of the color of their skin. You will never learn to grow from your losses as you will never internalize that you didn't achieve something because of your shortcomings, rather, you will constantly feel others cheated you out of something that was rightfully yours.

Wow a black person being called a slave... I'm sure that has nothing to do with color

well, to be fair, if your entire understanding of the word slave involves racism, perhaps you havent lived life to the fullest.

WhyKnot:You seem fasicinated by my "white v. black kid" scenario. I guess because I believe black kids are more likely to be exposed to guns that makes me a racist. Maybe I have wrong assumptions about kids and guns, but that certainly doesnt make me a racist.

Sorry for the hyperbole. Farking while drunk is not always the best idea.

But yes, I'm kind of fascinated in your 'belief'. You really haven't met many white people who own guns, teach their kids gun safety, and it's not a big deal or a boogeyman for anyone involved?

Are guns mostly used by black people in urban areas in some illicit fashion (OMG black kid probably was 'exposed' to guns), or are they owned by all kinds of people?

Let me google for you 'gun ownership demographics': http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/ This link is just a gallup poll but there is plenty more out there.

I'm just confused about some of the questions...am I supposed to ask the nerdy girl for directions to the mall because there are often a lot of nerd stores in there and she may be better at map-reading, or am I supposed to ask the high-maintenance girl because I'm supposed to assume she spends a lot of time at the mall for the fashion stores?

Also, I assume pretty much everyone's seen a gun in their life - it's not really noteworthy and I wouldn't bother thinking about it.

See, here's the thing - some stereotypes have a much bigger effect than others. If you're Asian and people think you're good at math, that's going to cause you problems if you suck at math...in math class. Anywhere else? No one really cares. People believing black people are criminals or inferior? Yeah, that's going to get you pulled over more often for made-up offenses, jailed for longer than others for the same crime, etc. Going to get the cops to ask to search your vehicle for having a license plate light out.

Let's not act like bias doesn't exist when there's significant statistical evidence to show that it does.

scarbachi:WhyKnot: You seem fasicinated by my "white v. black kid" scenario. I guess because I believe black kids are more likely to be exposed to guns that makes me a racist. Maybe I have wrong assumptions about kids and guns, but that certainly doesnt make me a racist.

Sorry for the hyperbole. Farking while drunk is not always the best idea.

But yes, I'm kind of fascinated in your 'belief'. You really haven't met many white people who own guns, teach their kids gun safety, and it's not a big deal or a boogeyman for anyone involved?

Are guns mostly used by black people in urban areas in some illicit fashion (OMG black kid probably was 'exposed' to guns), or are they owned by all kinds of people?

Let me google for you 'gun ownership demographics': http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/ This link is just a gallup poll but there is plenty more out there.