Re: Profoundwill, return my items.

Back..... well I appreciate the help guys, I mainly made the thread to show him that I am not being a ****, just trying to cover my own *** here. I am willing to forget all of it and have the thread deleted if he sends my stuff back first and is in the condition I sent it in.

Re: Profoundwill, return my items.

Here is the first PM convo I had with him. I deleted all the personal information that does not affect either side of the story.

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

So Geoff texted me telling me about the situation. I need to hear your side of the story before things get serious. Here's his side:

Listing on eBay says it's in mint condition, it clearly isn't
Listing and caraudio threads say it's a D4, it is in fact a D2
Packaging was horrible, and there was damage present because of it

Let me know your rebuttal! I'll give you a few days before I make a thread about it. I'm not trying to be an ***, just being straight-up.

-Dylan

(phone number was listed here in the PM) Text preferred

Originally Posted by profoundwill

The sub was in mint condition while in my posession, the damage must have happen during the shipping process. I have perfect feed on eBay and on here I have dealt with several people with no problems before.

The D4 thing I admit I never checked it, thats what I was told, I thought they were all D4. He never requested for me to verify it or anything

I packed it the same way it arrived to me, in the original crystal sub box and it came to me in perfect condition I have shipped subs before that I have sold on here and other places with no problems and I also put $300 worth of insurance on it, which I told him I would file a claim on Monday about it

I told him I would send his stuff back if he sent me the sub back, but I am not going to pay for his shipping, I may consider paying a portion

What do you mean by things getting serious?

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

Well in the pictures, the sub is obviously not in mint condition. There is a scratch or two on the cone and a scuff on the surround.

Regardless of if he asked for a coil check or not, you did still state that it's a D4 and sent him a D2 instead.

I don't see how packing a sub in cardboard with no other packaging is safe? He said he talked to the shipping company and they aren't going to do anything about it.

After hearing your side of the story, you need to either send his stuff back and pay for his shipping, or reimburse him for the troubles. There is a comp coming up soon, and his amp is set up for a D4 sub. If he has to keep it, he has to get a different amp in order to properly compete. You sent him a sub that isn't in the described condition, isn't the right coil config, and was damaged in shipping because of improper packaging. You need to take responsibility.

In case you are wondering, I am not biased towards Geoff. He actually screwed over me a while back. I don't know if you were around here to see the whole situation happen. I still haven't forgiven him for it. But I don't think that two wrongs make a right. If he is getting "scammed" (don't take that word too seriously, I know it was just an ignorant accident on your part), I will not just sit back and laugh.

By "getting serious", I meant that I will have to make the thread about it and get others involved. I don't think that is necessary because you seem like a decent guy, and if you do what's right we won't have to get to that point. It's not a threat, just a warning.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

The sub I sent him was not the the one in the picture you prolly saw, I have two, one was in peferct shape. Besides he didn't think it was mint from the pic he didn't have to get it. The sub was shipped in the company's shipping box, I can't see why that wouldn't be enough. DD subs come in a cardboard box just like a lot of other subs I have gotten.

but anyway I am going to check with fedex tomorrow for myself to see what can be done. However it seems to me the the only real problem is the voice coil config, no damage to the sub.

I told him what I would be willing to do, send him back eveything and he send me back everything. I am not going to pay his total shipping bill I may make a small contribution or maybe give him a little something for his trouble.

Get "others" like who involved??

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

There are some inconsistencies here. The sub in the picture has the same scuff on the surround as the sub that arrived at his doorstep. Coincidence, maybe. Regardless, you listed in the ad that it was in mint condition. How does a sub get a dent/hole in the cone that is the size of a pen tip from shipping? That doesn't happen. The packaging obviously wasn't enough if it got damaged in shipping. You NEVER send a sub in a box without packing material. That's just damage waiting to happen.

I'm not taking HIS side necessarily. From an unbiased perspective, I find that the responsibility falls upon you. You can't just admit that the coil config was was wrong and expect him to pay for it. That's straight up bullshit. You sent him the wrong item, it's your fault, not his. You need to take repercussions for your actions.

Put yourself in his shoes. You have a comp coming up, and you order a sub for it. The person sends it to you, and it arrives damaged from poor packaging. To top things off, the coil config is wrong. Now the value of the sub has diminished, and you are only able to pull half the power from the amp that you were preparing to. Finally, the seller expects you to pay to ship it back.

NONE of it was his fault. Sure, he COULD have judged by the picture that it wasn't mint. But then, you said it was mint and you also said here that you sent a different item than was pictured. Sure, he COULD have asked for DMM readings of the coil. But from someone like yourself who is such a stand-up seller, why would that be necessary?

Just pay for his shipping, send his stuff back, and put this all behind you. The shipping damage is yours to deal with, either they will insure it and help you pay to fix it, or you're left with the results of your poor packaging.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

For thew last time it was not a plan cardborad box, it is the box crystal had made to ship its subs in. I have been in his shoes before and I didn't act like a little ***** about it either! It's not like the **** hit sent me was in perfect condition and shipped with the best packing material but hey things happen what do you really expect getting used car audio stuff. Win some you loose some. I told you and him what I am willing to do. I will pay for my shipping back is crappy mids and soso amp and maybe cover some of his shipping. I am a stand up seller and you are right it was just a mistake not trying to rip anyone off , that's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

Regardless of the packaging, you sent him the wrong coil config! That was your fault, and he doesn't deserve to suffer because you made a stupid mistake like that. He's "whining" because you screwed over his chances at properly competing. The damage to the sub is an after thought, but that's not to say it's not an issue.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

okay

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

So are you going to reimburse him shipping and send him his stuff back? I don't want to make a thread about it, but I will if thats what it takes.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

whatever man, so when I get the sub and it reads dual 4 ohm then what, mister officer??

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

He sent me pics of the dmm on the coils. They read 2.1 each coil. I can send you pics if you text me.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by benbenondatrack

when i see small subs i just think of a girl, 12s = teenagers, 15s = man, 18 = King Kong Mandingo Warrior

Re: Profoundwill, return my items.

Here is the second PM convo I had with him I started out by thanking him, because I thought that he had worked things out with Geoff. I quickly found out that I was wrong after another chat with Geoff.

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

Thank you for working things out with him. You did the right thing.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

hey man talk to your boy, i am trying to give him the money to ship my sub back

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

If you wanted to, you could ship to me and I could hold it until he ships the sub out. Idk if that would even help, but I'd be willing to do so if that's what it takes.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

that sounds good but as far as know yall could be in this together

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

That's true, we could. You have my word that we aren't, but obviously an e-promise is not worth much. What else could you/him/me do that would satisfy both parties?

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

ship my sub back to me once I pay for the shipping. all along he was saying i must pay his shipping, now I am trying to and he keeps adding bullshit

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

He isn't adding bullshit. He will ship the sub to you. But you need to ship first, not him. The reason is obvious, it's because his packaging has proven to be good and yours hasn't. You shipping first is just a precautionary measure to assure that his stuff arrives in the condition it was sent off in.

Let me add something that might help assure my legitimacy for you, so maybe you will feel comfortable at least shipping first to me as a middle-man...I am shipping first to imtjnotu, and he is going to buy it from me by doing payments. I have never met TJ in person, never even dealt with him before. If I can ship first to someone and accept multiple small payments for it, I'm pretty sure I can be trusted to hold a sub for you. You can absolutely PM TJ and ask him about it.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

Here we go with this shipping crap again, for the last time I SHIPPED THE SUB IN THE ORGINAL CRYSTAL SHIPPING BOX THAT I RECEIVED THE SUB IN, THE ONE MADE FOR CRYSTAL FOR SHIPPING THIS EXACT SUB, it came to me fine with no damage. It is more than just an empty cardboard box it has pieces in it to hold the sub in place for protection, it came to me fine. Which is actually hard for me to believe that it is actually missed up due to shipping, its in the crystal shipping box that is made for this sub. So whos to say his packing skills are better than mine, i have shipped several items before, including subwoofers, and I have never had a problem before, which further makes me think something isn't right with this whole thing.

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

To be honest, you are either dumb or just ignorant to think a sub is fine packaged between two boxes with ZERO packaging material. I wouldn't care if Mcintosh themselves sent their $300k speakers to me in the same box, I wouldn't have sent them off to anyone without adding packaging material. You need to quit making excuses and do what's right. You're only digging yourself a bigger hole that you may not find your way out of.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

I am pretty sure that my college degree will prove that I am not dumb or ignorant nor stupid enough to fall for your buddy's ****

What kinda hole are you talking about??

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

There is no shit that Geoff is pulling, and he's not my fuckin buddy. He USED to be my best friend, that was the past. I still haven't finished my associates, and I know better than to send a sub in a cardboard box with no packaging.

Check the pictures on the thread. There is a dent/hole.

You are starting to make things personal. Don't let that happen.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

or what, what are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

That was not a threat. That was me asking you not to make things personal.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by profoundwill

you called me dumb is that not personal

Originally Posted by Suicide Bobb

I said that you had to be EITHER dumb or ignorant to send the sub in that box with no packing material. If it was personal, I would call you a dumbass.

-Dylan

Originally Posted by benbenondatrack

when i see small subs i just think of a girl, 12s = teenagers, 15s = man, 18 = King Kong Mandingo Warrior

Re: Profoundwill, return my items.

IMO, Profoundwill needs to ship back first.
Sure, DD ships in "plain" cardboard boxes....with SOLID hard foam crate encasing the sub.
Not just cardboard. And I would have to think that, that sub was not shipped from the factory with just
2 cardboard boxes for protection.

Every day I feel so lucky to have has a few PERFECT transactions from this place. (thanks again to those of you!!)