You can kill warriors in dstance now, although it's way harder than it should be. I would be OK with battle stance if it gave something like 10-15% dmg reduction, cause right now battle stance means you take as much dmg as a rogue without feint. Practically it makes the warrior a free kill. If you don't believe me, find a fully geared warrior and burst him in df while he is in bstance. He will melt as if he was naked. Ofc course dstance is too strong, but they could keep it 25%, and add some dmg reduction in battle stance so that we had a choice.

Finally, remember that warriors do nothing more than doing and taking damage, always have always will. Therefore we need something to make us more "meaty" than the rest of the classes, given that we have average defensive cds (when compared to say ferals or dks).

justchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

Renaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

You can kill warriors in dstance now, although it's way harder than it should be. I would be OK with battle stance if it gave something like 10-15% dmg reduction, cause right now battle stance means you take as much dmg as a rogue without feint. Practically it makes the warrior a free kill. If you don't believe me, find a fully geared warrior and burst him in df while he is in bstance. He will melt as if he was naked. Ofc course dstance is too strong, but they could keep it 25%, and add some dmg reduction in battle stance so that we had a choice.

Finally, remember that warriors do nothing more than doing and taking damage, always have always will. Therefore we need something to make us more "meaty" than the rest of the classes, given that we have average defensive cds (when compared to say ferals or dks).

Are you for real? And what "ohh so good" cds do dks have to make the warrior ones "average"? 20% damage reduction on 2 min cd? Well look at that it's just like your die by the sword... without 100% parry aka THE MAIN PART OF IT.

I think the Warrior defensive stance problem is just a symptom of a larger problem. It seems like the arms race has gotten so out of control that each class needs at least one of these two things to be considered decent:

1. Passive damage reduction. Like defensive stance or shadowform.
2. Strong CDs that are useable while stunned. Like glyphed barkskin.

So many classes have such strong abilities to live once they are out of stuns that you are almost required to kill in stuns. If a Warrior lives a stun he can leap/intervene across the map. Rogues can immediately get 30% damage reduction, without even using a cooldown. The abilities people have to survive outside of stuns are so strong that damage has to be tuned so that people can die in a stun, or people wouldn't die much. This high damage in stuns means if you don't have one of the two above, (and WW Monks+Rogues have neither) you're going to die in stuns. Often.

This simple fact is the only thing making WW Monks and Rogues seem underpowered. They are both great at creating offensive pressure, and have great CC/lockdown, the only problem they have is that they both die in stuns. Ideally I'd like to see Blizzard rolling back some of the abilities arms race which has created this only-kill-in-stuns issue, rather than giving every class significant passive damage reduction, (further homogenization yay) or extra get out of jail free cards (like Nimble Brew, the new WW Monk stun break).

Are you for real? And what "ohh so good" cds do dks have to make the warrior ones "average"? 20% damage reduction on 2 min cd? Well look at that it's just like your die by the sword... without 100% parry aka THE MAIN PART OF IT.

... actually you know what? ... nevermind

With a stun immunity and antimagic shell. I think those are better compared to DbtS and a 40% dmg reduction on a 5min cd that kills all your dmg. +Blood presence which remains untouched

justchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

Renaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

With a stun immunity and antimagic shell. I think those are better compared to DbtS and a 40% dmg reduction on a 5min cd that kills all your dmg. +Blood presence which remains untouched

Shockwave, intervene, leap, reflect, second wind, disarm... did we really have to go there?
From a healer pov the amount of babysitting and healing a dk requires compared to a warrior is huge. It will prolly diminish with the 5.2 changes but it will still be there.

But nvm wars have worse defenses than dks. And since they also do more dmg i wonder why there's like a trillion more wars than dks on the ladders.

zero sympathy for warriors right now sorry. let's wait and see how they are after the nerfs. if they are overnerfed, too bad. you'll just have to suffer like most of the other classes you've been terrorizing for an entire season until you get overbuffed again.

^ this is the only mindset i can have now after seeing what blizzard does each and every patch

zero sympathy for warriors right now sorry. let's wait and see how they are after the nerfs. if they are overnerfed, too bad. you'll just have to suffer like most of the other classes you've been terrorizing for an entire season until you get overbuffed again.

^ this is the only mindset i can have now after seeing what blizzard does each and every patch

Ok so rogues have been strong/decent for all the seasons but one. Warriors have been strong/decent for all the seasons but s5,10,11. I think we deserve way more sympathy

justchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

Renaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.