Question About A Religious Arguments Regarding Sex - Think Atheist2015-08-02T19:13:52Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/question-about-a-religious-arguments-regarding-sex?xg_source=activity&id=1982180%3ATopic%3A1132217&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt may have something got to…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-10:1982180:Comment:11536072012-07-10T12:31:29.997ZNerdy Keithhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/keith
<p>It may have something got to do with the Pro-life movement which could be motivated by a passage in the book of Genesis about wasting seed</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 38:9 </p>
<p>"But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother"</p>
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<p>It certainly is an uber-extreme version of Pro-life, but I have heard this argument before from them. </p>
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<p>It may have something got to do with the Pro-life movement which could be motivated by a passage in the book of Genesis about wasting seed</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 38:9 </p>
<p>"But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother"</p>
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<p>It certainly is an uber-extreme version of Pro-life, but I have heard this argument before from them. </p>
<p>And in answer to your question. The same thing they do with any other feeling in which contradicts their faith, they oppress it. Another of many reasons why I am against many religions. Its a danger to the mind. </p> WTF?!tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11521142012-07-06T18:33:50.924ZDale Headleyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DaleHeadley
<p>WTF?!</p>
<p>WTF?!</p> Masturbation is normal... and…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11520362012-07-06T16:33:10.675ZSkycomet the Fallen Angelhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Skycomet
<p>Masturbation is normal... and often even good for your mental health. As for fantasizing about women... that's normal too. Even having fantasies about taboo sexual acts is normal. Fantasizing doesn't turn women into sex objects. What matters is the way you treat women around you in REAL life.</p>
<p>Masturbation is normal... and often even good for your mental health. As for fantasizing about women... that's normal too. Even having fantasies about taboo sexual acts is normal. Fantasizing doesn't turn women into sex objects. What matters is the way you treat women around you in REAL life.</p> Well I am a lesbian, and I gu…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11519712012-07-06T15:43:13.810ZJudith van der Rooshttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Judith_van_der_Roos
Well I am a lesbian, and I guess I am what most religously inclined Americans would consider a feminist but I have no problem with men or women thinking about me (i do have a good figure and am told a lovely bum!)as they masturbate if that is what they wish to do, as long as they keep the thoughts buried inside their head. I am certainly in no position to tell anyone not to masturbate when I consider it one of life's essentials and thoroughly enjoy the practice myself. In fact I would go so fat…
Well I am a lesbian, and I guess I am what most religously inclined Americans would consider a feminist but I have no problem with men or women thinking about me (i do have a good figure and am told a lovely bum!)as they masturbate if that is what they wish to do, as long as they keep the thoughts buried inside their head. I am certainly in no position to tell anyone not to masturbate when I consider it one of life's essentials and thoroughly enjoy the practice myself. In fact I would go so fat as to say that without it none of my four children would make it pass their toddler years, mama needs her little "unwinding habit" after they have spent the entire day day doing nothing but wind me up !<br />
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Human sexuality is amazing, sex is lovely, orgasms are good for you ( I am a physiologist, trust me they really are)so go and enjoy masturbation without guilt and never apologise for enjoying it. I never cease to amaze myself at just how enjoyable and varied the female orgasm can be, not sure you men have the same scope but perhaps that is something for another discussion.<br />
Regards,<br />
Judith vd R. This whole objectification th…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11518812012-07-06T14:55:15.055ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>This whole objectification thing baffles me to start with. To those who cling to this view, please order these from best to worst:</p>
<p>A man masturbating to...</p>
<p>Fantasies or pictures of his girlfriend when she isn't physically there</p>
<p>Some anonymous minor pornstar performing in a porn video</p>
<p>Some famous pornstar performing in a porn video</p>
<p>Katy Perry performing in a video wearing skin-tight outfit</p>
<p>What are men supposed to do with their sexual feelings? Bury…</p>
<p>This whole objectification thing baffles me to start with. To those who cling to this view, please order these from best to worst:</p>
<p>A man masturbating to...</p>
<p>Fantasies or pictures of his girlfriend when she isn't physically there</p>
<p>Some anonymous minor pornstar performing in a porn video</p>
<p>Some famous pornstar performing in a porn video</p>
<p>Katy Perry performing in a video wearing skin-tight outfit</p>
<p>What are men supposed to do with their sexual feelings? Bury them and instead work on their stamp collection?</p> All I'm going to say to you i…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11518732012-07-06T13:54:43.697ZNerdy Keithhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/keith
<p>All I'm going to say to you is, masturbation is natural and harmless. You might be thinking of other women (or in my case men) while you are doing this. But really it is a one man act, it involves no one else but you and possibly some pornography (no harm in that either). </p>
<p>The problem with this whole thing of saying "Well if you do that. Whats next? Masturbating to animals?"</p>
<p>Well basically its a copout argument. Beastility and masturbating to other adult human beings are…</p>
<p>All I'm going to say to you is, masturbation is natural and harmless. You might be thinking of other women (or in my case men) while you are doing this. But really it is a one man act, it involves no one else but you and possibly some pornography (no harm in that either). </p>
<p>The problem with this whole thing of saying "Well if you do that. Whats next? Masturbating to animals?"</p>
<p>Well basically its a copout argument. Beastility and masturbating to other adult human beings are totally unrelated. Fundamental religious persons use the same comparison on homosexuality in order to attempt to say why that isn't acceptable. Totally opposite concepts. </p> I have read through the opini…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11518642012-07-06T11:05:52.120ZAlexhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Alex439
<p>I have read through the opinions of several women on this thread and I haven't heard one called a "femnazi", although in my opinion the feminists argument on this subject died when different studies found between 30-80% of women watch porn depending on the demographics surveyed. But I'm always willing to reconsider my opinion to a well formulated argument, and I promise not to call you a femnazi...</p>
<p>I have read through the opinions of several women on this thread and I haven't heard one called a "femnazi", although in my opinion the feminists argument on this subject died when different studies found between 30-80% of women watch porn depending on the demographics surveyed. But I'm always willing to reconsider my opinion to a well formulated argument, and I promise not to call you a femnazi...</p> The original question however…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11518632012-07-06T10:50:17.538ZAlexhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Alex439
<p>The original question however was about the opinions of religions and not of feminists.</p>
<p>I grew up in a relatively liberal country, and I know quite a few girls who watch porn, including one who regularly watches gay porn, once you remove the stigmas of religion and society, letting them make up their own minds on what they want to watch or do there really isn't too much difference between males and females.</p>
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<p>The original question however was about the opinions of religions and not of feminists.</p>
<p>I grew up in a relatively liberal country, and I know quite a few girls who watch porn, including one who regularly watches gay porn, once you remove the stigmas of religion and society, letting them make up their own minds on what they want to watch or do there really isn't too much difference between males and females.</p>
<p></p> Since you have replied to oth…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11519452012-07-06T10:42:17.021ZRob the Ridiculoushttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RobtheRidiculous
<p>Since you have replied to other posts on TA, it does seem to be that this "religion" does not stop you from saying stuff. As such I think that this reply here is meant to show your frustration and anger (?) with the way in which people talk about feminism, without getting too much involved into the discussion.</p>
<p>Please let me be the first to say that I do not intend to group all feminists under the "feminazi" label, in fact very few of these actually exist, although they tend to be…</p>
<p>Since you have replied to other posts on TA, it does seem to be that this "religion" does not stop you from saying stuff. As such I think that this reply here is meant to show your frustration and anger (?) with the way in which people talk about feminism, without getting too much involved into the discussion.</p>
<p>Please let me be the first to say that I do not intend to group all feminists under the "feminazi" label, in fact very few of these actually exist, although they tend to be quite vocal, they are at least as far as I know a minority within the feminists. That does not stop me from sharing my anger and frustration at these people, though.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you feel like it, you can of course share your opinion, after all opinions are like assholes, we all have one. If you happen to disagree with people, perhaps others could learn from it. </p>
<p>To me at least, at this moment, you come across as somebody who wants to say something without actually saying anything, as such you don't provide any real content to the discussion which makes it hard to engage with you in a (fruitful) talk/discussion/debate. That's a pity, since you apparently have a different opinion on the matter (?).</p>
<p>Also, nice strawman argument..... I'm pretty sure from reading other replies of you that you can do much better than this.</p> To be honest, the thing that…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-07-06:1982180:Comment:11519382012-07-06T07:41:25.600ZPope Beaniehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/PaulRyan
<blockquote><p><span>To be honest, the thing that bugs me most about the subject matter is that it makes me squeamish almost entirely due to cultural conditioning, and not rationality.</span></p>
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<p>Kris, I also feel squeamish, but I don't remember being culturally conditioned. I've brought up before how inter-species sex is so rare in all species, and so I can't help but conclude that we humans aren't immune from that same-species sexual urge programming. I imagine it could…</p>
<blockquote><p><span>To be honest, the thing that bugs me most about the subject matter is that it makes me squeamish almost entirely due to cultural conditioning, and not rationality.</span></p>
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<p>Kris, I also feel squeamish, but I don't remember being culturally conditioned. I've brought up before how inter-species sex is so rare in all species, and so I can't help but conclude that we humans aren't immune from that same-species sexual urge programming. I imagine it could be <em>over-ridden</em> by cultural influence, but with difficulty because sexual motivation for hundreds of millions of years surely has become deeply, neurologically rooted as a rule.</p>
<p>(That's also what's led me to conclude the same about most people's feelings about homosexuality. But since a certain percentage of some species do behave homosexually, we can easily see that the programming for hetero or homosexual behavior isn't as consistent as the programming for same-species sex.)</p>
<p>I could be wrong of course, but I think I'm invoking Occam's Razor, there. (Honestly, I'm quite certain that very, very few of us have actually ever had the urge to pork <em>any</em> hole that's warm and lubricated. There's a certain,minimum level of programming that must be really hard to over-ride.)</p>
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