'Normans1'Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: Dukes of Normandy, Counts of Corbeil & Eu & Rosmar & Rouen, Lords of Hastings[The importance of this family led to many speculative & spurious connections being attributed to it. This page will be reviewed from time to time.]

m2. (1017, div) Estrid of Denmark (dau of Sveyn I 'Forkbeard', King of Denmark, Norway and England)

p1. Papie

e.

William d'Arques (Count or Viscount?) mentioned by various web sites

There appears to have been at least one other William d'Arques around this time (here and here), though the other(s) may possibly have lived after this William. In any event, had this one been a Count, it is likely that either he lost his title or his son was illegitimate. Alternatively, as we suspect, this connection could be spurious.

BE1883 (D'Evereux of Salisbury) starts with Walter of Rosmar, son of the following William whose identification as a son of Robert d'Evreux is reported by various web sites but is thought to be probably fictitious.

d.

William d'Evereux (d 1067)

(1)

Walter 'le Ewrus' (d'Evereux), Count of Rosmar (b c1033)

m. Philippa

BE1883 (D'Evereux of Salisbury) reports that Walter had two sons: Walter, his successor as Count of Rosmar, and Edward 'of Salisbury', Sheriff of Wiltshire, whose grandson Patrick was created Earl of Salisbury. However, TCP (Salisbury) reports that this Walter (the elder) was "a fictitious person" and reports also that the parentage of Edward the Sheriff is unknown. Some web sites identify Walter as father also of Robert de Ebroicis of Hereford.

p1. Papia identified by various web sites, TCP does not give her name but confirms that an illegitimate son of Duke Richard was ...

ix.

Godfrey, Count of Brionne and Eu (d c996)

Some sources identify Godfrey's wife as Heloise of Guisnes but this appears to be because she was mother of Gilbert Crispin of Bec with whom Godfrey's son is often confused. [Brionne, in Normandy, is often confused with Brienne which is near Troyes in Aube.]

a.

Gilbert, Count de Brionne (d c1040)

Many sources suggest that Gilbert's wife was Gunnora d'Aunou but this appears to be because he is often confused with Gilbert Crispin de Bec, her actual husband. Some sources identify his wife as Gunnora de Crepon but this is thought unlikely.

m(1?). Judith of Huntingdon (dau of Waltheof, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton)

m2. (1112) Maud de St. Liz (d 1140, dau of Simon de St Liz, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton)

There is confusion about Richard & Rohese's daughters. BE1883 shows 2 unnamed daughters, one married to Ralph de Telgers and the other to Eudo Dapifer. The following 3 daughters are reported by GenEU (Eu).

BE1883 (Courtenay of Devon) shows Baldwin as father of Richard de Redvers and Robert and Emma mentioned below. TCP (Devon) names his wife as Emma or Auberee and reports that she was related to King William I ("first cousin, or niece"). BE1883 identifies Baldwin's wife as Albreda d'Avranche which would make her related through her mother's mother who was mother of the King. We therefore accept the identity given by BE1883. TCP (Devon) shows their issue as follows:

Reported in various web sites is the following connection. We hesitated from making the connection as we don't want to perpetuate a claim that appears not to be supported by the formal sources on the descendant families (eg. Cliffords and Poyntz). However, it is widely reported so we now do too but draw your attention to our wish for further 'proof' before we withdraw this note of caution.

Main source(s):
(1) GenEU (Normandy) with support from a wide range of sources
(2) For FitzGibert de Toneburge: BE1883 (Clare of Clare, Hertford & Gloucester), TCP (Clare (honour of))Back to top of page