Well are we suprised? Roman Polanski just won Best Director for the Pianist. What a world. Of course, he wouldn't dare be there to accept his award. At this point, we all need to find out the production company and ban those films as well because they hire and fund this asshole. He even got a standing ovation from some people. I did notice many people didn't stand or even clap. Evil wins again.

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This is just another infuriating example of how out of touch with the common people and the real world most of Hollywood and much of the media is!And of how little these bastards care about people who have been sexually abused!

I'm gonna shut up before I says something I or someone else might regret, if I haven't already!

MO + Victor,I CAN NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!!!EVIL WON THIS TIME!!!!!!I WISH HOLLYWOOD WOULD NOT MAKE ANY MORE FILMS!!It is getting rediculise what people will watch. I never watch the new movies coming out because a lot of movies is people getting hurt anyways. I am glad that many people did not even stand or clap. That was the only good in Hollywood. Maybe it will spread?!? No!!! Making too much money to give up making money!!!! Sorry. Going negative instead of positive.WITH MUCH LOVE,Kim

I stopped watching them too Kim. On the brighter side, Mel Gibson is making a huge film about the last 12 hours of Jesus' life and spending 25 million of his own money to make it. I've heard they are running him out of Hollywood for making it. Good for him. I've seen him under attack in the tabloids and I'm sure it will only get worse, if they dont take him out completely.

I would think twice about jumping on the Mel Gibson bandwagon. He has been in way too many movies with sexual violence and most of it has been men being kicked between the legs. Not the kind of movies I would want to see. One movie about Jesus doesn't take that away. You certainly would think differently about a humorous movie with women getting kicked between the legs-do we find things like that funny and actors who make movies like that???

Thats true serafina, but who knows, maybe he had a change of heart and is turning around his life. Moses murdered a guy, I think the apostle Paul may have too, tax collectors became apostles and what about Mary Magdaline. I know the guy playing Jesus in that movie had a huge change of heart recently.

This is my first post, I decided to come here because I have a huge affinity (read obsession) with movies. It has been my substance of abuse (escape) for a large part of my life.

However, the thing that made me decide to post here on this is that I personally have met Mel Gibson. I agree that he has made some movies that were perhaps questionable, but the fact is that he is a Christian (Catholic I believe) and has been faithful to his wife, and has had I think seven children. But when have you seen his name dragged through the mud on anything? The fact is that you wont because he does believe in standing up for whats right. He is part of a "silent minority" of people in Hollywood.

I think his making this film in spite of Hollywood goes above and beyond anything the majority of us could do. He is doing this to the possible detriment of his career in Hollywood. Just as an aside - he is an "Oscar" winner.

I dont say this to provoke any arguments, but just to say what has Mel done negatively that anyone has heard of?? I think he is doing a good thing.

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On Mel Gibson:

1) While I'm always skeptical of religious changesin Hollywood folks in particular, it does happen & it can happen to anybody.

2) Even if an actor has done some bad movies, if he does something good I try to take it as just that without bringing his personal character into it. Good people do bad things, bad people do good things. Becuz there's "bad" & "good" in all of us.

3) Probably I'll watch the movie just to see how Jesus Christ is portrayed, irregardless of the character of Mel Gibson, as the movie is not about the life of Mel Gibson but the life of Jesus Christ.

Nominated for seven Oscars, including best picture, is The Pianist,directed by Roman Polanksi, who sexually assaulted Geimer when she was13 years old.

Polanski was charged with six counts of assault buthaving served 43 days in jail agreed to plead guilty to the leastserious charge ? statutory rape ? in exchange for his freedom.

At the last minute the judge, Laurence J Rittenband, changed his mindand demanded Polanski stand trial. Faced with up to 50 years in jail, hefled to Paris and has been unable to return to the US since for fear ofbeing arrested.

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I don't feel that a person's past or character should be taken into account when he is being considered for an award based on artistic merit. Polanski is a sick asshole for doing what he did, but the award was just for "best director," meaning he was the best at directing. It didn't make any assumptions about the rest of his character. That's just how I feel about it. If Jeffery Dahmer or somebody horrible like that made a film that won an award I would not contest it... it's just a judgement of the film and the director's ability, not a judgement of whether the director is a worthwhile person or not.

Hope that doesn't upset anybody... it's just how I see it.

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I agree Sick Pup, with what you are saying. However, it seems that at least in recent years Hollywood has tried to stand for something. Most Hollywood people seem to be ostensibly trying to make the world a better place, but look at how the world has degenerated since the medium of film has made it's mark. Everybody is trying to make the world a better place, but a better place for them, not for everyone. Movie stars have promoted self serving views on sex and marraige, in doing so, making the world a better place for them, but look at how those ideas have effected thier children. Read some of Victor's posts to see how this forward new thinking has effected his life.

If it feels good do it seems to be the gospel of Hollywood and that is the gospel of all of our perps.

Sick Puppy-A bigger problem I see is that because Roman Polanski is a sick asshole with connections. He can make movies that people will go to see because Hollywood tells us to go see it. He will make more money and continue to live very comfortably and well in Paris for the rest of his days. We are making life for this criminal easy and acceptable. The Academy Award is the biggest achievement in filmmaking. We are cheering him on for doing what he did when his ass should be sitting in a jail cell. Instead we give him an award and say everyone go to this great movie and let's make this guy a ton of money. He does not deserve that right and we are the fools giving it to him.

Shades of Gray, I saw an article about the subject of Mel Gibson possibly being under attack in the future, and the next day I saw a tabloid with his picture on the cover for drinking too much or something. I'll look for it. Just because Mel Gibson may (or may not, I don't know) believe in standing up for what is right, doesn't mean he wont get attacked and dragged through the mud.

As far as drawing conclusions based on meeting someone, I spent about 8 hours total over the house of a huge television star over the course of two days and I drew the conclusion that he was the nicest guy in the world. Then I read the autobiogrphy he gave me, and I couldn't believe it was the same guy. He seems to be very misguided to say the least. I really believe he means well though, but so did the 9-11 highjackers.

The reason I say maybe Mel has had a change of heart is because his old movies are full of violence, revenge, fornication, adultery etc etc. I think Jesus would tell him he would rather have him follow his words before he goes out and makes a movie about them.

There's a lot of myths surrounding the movie biz. And while I think movies are often pretty lowbrow and crummy, the truth is that things aren't really degenerating. The first famous movie ever made was DW Griffith's Birth of a Nation, an epic celebrating the Klu Klux Klan. There are, it seems as always, good and bad movies out there right now.

I too felt a pang when Polanski won, and I'm an enormous fan. He understands darkness and psychological trauma better than most filmmakers out there, and his films have helped me heal in many ways - particularly Chinatown, a beautiful film that delves into the pain of incest and childhood sexual abuse. But I had a girlfriend who lived with Polanski for a year - when she was thirteen! She said it was hell and that he was beyond sadistic and depraved.

But maybe we should cut him some slack. I think he's a sick, tortured soul who has found an artform to honestly express himself, and like the shrinks who consult Perps, he deserves a voice as well. An Academy Award? Who knows. One beneficial result of his win is the massive press blitz about his past that hit the news, including an interview with his victim who never would have seen airtime had it not been for his nomination.

Food for thought.

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In every cry of every man, In every Infant's cry of fear,In every voice, in every ban, The mind-forged manacles I hear. -William Blake

I was thinking what ever happened to Frank Capra, and I remembered my Dad used to listen to this country song by the Statler Brothers when I was a kid, it came out in 1973.

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO RANDOLPH SCOTT ?

Everbody knows when you go to the showYou can't take the kids alongYou've gotta read the paper and know the codeof G, PG and R and XYou gotta know what the movie's aboutBefore you even goTex Ritter's gone and Disney's deadThe screen is filled with sex.

CHORUSWhatever happened to Randolph Scottridin' the range aloneWhatever happened to Gene and TexAnd Roy and Rex, the Durango KidWhatever happened to Randolph ScottHis horse, plain as can be Whatever happened to Randolph ScottHas happened to the best of me.

Everbody's tryin' to make a commentAbout our doubts and fearsTrue Grit's the only movieI've really understood in yearsYou gotta take your analyst alongTo see if it's fit to seeWhatever happened to Randolph ScottHas happened to the best of me.

CHORUSWhatever happened to Johnny Mack BrownAnd Alan "Rocky" LaneWhatever happened to Lash LaRueI'd love to see them againWhatever happened to Smiley BurnettTim Holt and Gene AutryWhatever happened to all of theseHas happened to the best of me.

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People have a right to try to separate Roman Polanski's career from his character. For me it can't be done, and I have the right to disagree with those who try, and I do. In fact, I don't think it can be done. That's just my opinion--but it's my opinion.

The French leadership has a right to harbor this known perp and allow him access to a "successful"career. I have the right to question where their heads & hearts (and other body parts ) are at, and I do.

Hollywood has a right to award an Oscar to a knownperp. I know where most of their heads & hearts & other body parts are at--in a very bad place. I have the right not to like it--and I don't.

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