In reality no ONE style can prepare you for everything.
But BJJ is the best 1 on 1 fighting system out there.

BJJ is a terrible style to use in a streetfight, and hasn't been the dominant monolith of MMA that it once was for a very long time. Sakuraba did a good job destroying the BJJ myth of invincibility with his matches against the Gracies.

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BJJ is a terrible style to use in a streetfight, and hasn't been the dominant monolith of MMA that it once was for a very long time. Sakuraba did a good job destroying the BJJ myth of invincibility with his matches against the Gracies.

You do realize Saku trains in BJJ? Also, MMA is a sport,
and not a street fight.

Sakuraba did a good job destroying the BJJ myth of invincibility with his matches against the Gracies.

1. Saku trains in BJJ
2. Saku lost to Royce
3. Saku was tapped by BJJ fighter Jason Miller
4. One person winning sport fights over a few Gracie's does NOTHING to prove that an entire martial art is useless. Numbers speak for themselves. Choose to be close minded if you want to.

So, only 1 UFC champion isn't a ranked BJJ student, and most are BJJ black belts. How is it not dominant again?

Valesquez and Jones are wrestlers, Silva is a striker, GSP is famous for his striking and wrestling, Edgar is foremost a boxer, Aldo is a Muay Thai guy, and Cruz is a wrestler.

You are desperate to try and attribute everyone's success to BJJ regardless of how they actually fight. Velasquez has never won by submission, and Cruz and Aldo between them have 2 submissions in 40 fights. The simple fact is that you have just named every champion in the UFC, and not a single one uses BJJ as their primary style!

We can also look at other organisations. Pride had Silva (Muay Thai), Fedor (Judo, Sambo, and Boxing), Shogun (Muay Thai), Rampage (wrestling), etc. Barnett (Catch) and Overeem (Kickboxing) are the favourites to win the Strikeforce tournament. The list goes on.

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I also wanted to note, I am not saying you shouldn't work on everything, but if you have to work on ONE thing, BJJ should be it.

Too many fights end up on the ground.

For a streetfight BJJ is a terrible art, and i think a person would be better learning Boxing or Kickboxing, or something similar. For MMA BJJ is a good art, it's just not the dominant and overpowering art that some of its practitioners like to think.

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1. Saku trains in BJJ
2. Saku lost to Royce
3. Saku was tapped by BJJ fighter Jason Miller
4. One person winning sport fights over a few Gracie's does NOTHING to prove that an entire martial art is useless. Numbers speak for themselves. Choose to be close minded if you want to.

1. That's just desperate. Sakuraba is a shoot fighter and a wrestler.
2. Royce won by decision when they were both well past their primes. In their primes Saku beat Royce handily.
3. That was last year, over a decade since Saku was at his best. That's like pointing out that Royce getting beaten by Hughes proves something about BJJ.
4. Your bias is shining through again. Saku destroyed the entire top echelon of BJJ fighters right at the point where they and their followers were claiming BJJ was the ultimate art. BJJ isn't useless, but it isn't dominant, and BJJ fighters get beaten on a regular basis by non BJJ fighters.

So your point against MOST fighters studying BJJ is pointing out that they study other things as well?

Sad.

The bulk of those guys have spent 10+ years training in BJJ.
Obviously your mind is made up that BJJ isn't effective,
but again, the numbers speak for themselves.

If BJJ were NOT effective, why are so many professional and high level fighters spending SOO much of their time and money on it?
Certainly a professional fighter knows better than you or I?

Valasquez wrestled in college, and has spent the last 7 years training in BJJ under Dave Camarillo at AKA.

Jon Jones is a wrestler, but still studies Jiu Jitsu under Greg Jackson.

Edgar chooses to use his boxing, but is again been at a BJJ school for over 8 years. He trains with Ricardo Almeida, his main gym, for nearly a decade.

Aldo is another guy who LIKES to strike, but is from Nova Unaio, a famous BJJ school, and has been there 7 years. Nova's main focus in BJJ, always. Check the website if you like. (I've been there, as well as AKA, and Ricardo's)

Dominic Cruz trains at Alliance, another famous BJJ school, under Lloyd Irvin.

So, while you sit around and feel like BJJ is pointless,
countless high level cage fighters and military, police, etc... are all thinking it does wonders. Who do you feel is more educated on the subject? People who fight for a living? Or you? Just a thought.

So your point against MOST fighters studying BJJ is pointing out that they study other things as well?

Sad.

The bulk of those guys have spent 10+ years training in BJJ.
Obviously your mind is made up that BJJ isn't effective,
but again, the numbers speak for themselves.

I'm beginning to wonder if you can actually read. Or maybe you're just trolling. Who knows.

However, most fighters train BJJ in the same way that most fighters train wrestling, boxing and MT/Kickboxing. There is a reason it's called Mixed Martial Arts. Your attempt to claim that a fighter's success is down to BJJ even if they don't even use it is frankly silly. Just to reiterate:

"The simple fact is that you have just named every champion in the UFC, and not a single one uses BJJ as their primary style!"

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If BJJ were NOT effective, why are so many professional and high level fighters spending SOO much of their time and money on it?
Certainly a professional fighter knows better than you or I?

Just to reiterate (and yes, i will keep quoting my last post, since you seem not to have read it):
"For MMA BJJ is a good art, it's just not the dominant and overpowering art that some of its practitioners like to think."

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Valasquez wrestled in college, and has spent the last 7 years training in BJJ under Dave Camarillo at AKA.

Jon Jones is a wrestler, but still studies Jiu Jitsu under Greg Jackson.

Edgar chooses to use his boxing, but is again been at a BJJ school for over 8 years. He trains with Ricardo Almeida, his main gym, for nearly a decade.

Aldo is another guy who LIKES to strike, but is from Nova Unaio, a famous BJJ school, and has been there 7 years. Nova's main focus in BJJ, always. Check the website if you like. (I've been there, as well as AKA, and Ricardo's)

Dominic Cruz trains at Alliance, another famous BJJ school, under Lloyd Irvin.

Well done, now here is the important point. The fighters you have listed are not BJJ champs who cross train in other areas, they are fighters who use a variety of different styles as their base, but who also cross train in BJJ. BJJ is a back up to them, while their main style is something completely different. Successful fighters who use BJJ as their base are in the minority now.

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So, while you sit around and feel like BJJ is pointless

Just to reiterate:

"For MMA BJJ is a good art, it's just not the dominant and overpowering art that some of its practitioners like to think."

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countless high level cage fighters and military, police, etc... are all thinking it does wonders. Who do you feel is more educated on the subject? People who fight for a living? Or you? Just a thought.

Ahhh, nice appeal to authority there, but it's wasted. This isn't a debate between me and "countless" fictional people you believe agree with you. This is a debate between me and you, and between the two of us, it certainly isn't you.

If you had ever fought, or trained in martial arts you would know this,
but I will share something with you. When the ground game is your base, you're free to strike more confidently and use striking more often, because you're not worried about the takedown. Just because a BJJ guy doesn't take people down every second, doesn't mean it isn't doing its job. Half the game is going to the ground when YOU want.

You're being ridiculous, if BJJ weren't VERY effective then why are high level professional fighters taking decades to learn it?

If it weren't so effective, these professional fighters would just keep training in wrestling, and learn some submissions from there, never worry about BJJ.
There is a terrible difference between "Cross training" and completely learning BJJ to the rank of black belt.

As far as Fedor goes.
(Other than just dropping 2 of his last 3 fights to BJJ guys)

He trained in Sambo for years, and Judo and was a complete Freak of nature. If you've got Russian wrestlers and Sambo players handy to train with for a lifetime, by all means, do. ( I am not so much a BJJ fanatic as I am a grappling fanatic )

You've got a notion in your head that because fighters can be successful without BJJ that it must not be any good. But the facts remain that the bulk of professional fighters don't choose to just learn some grappling and wrestling in generic form, they choose to learn BJJ and dedicate YEARS to doing so. Because it works.
You've also got it in your head because guys LIKE to strike that BJJ simple cannot be their style, proving your ignorance on the matter. (Even Jose Also laughs in interviews and says he strikes because he wants to, and is completely a BJJ guy)

If I had to choose only ONE "martial art", it would be Judo. I've been in a few fights and always come out on top. Cross training into other venues is important. Common sense and being able to use the tools around you are also important. However, it's Judo that set me at the pinnacle.