--- In gensoft@yahoogroups.com ,
"Renee Zamora" <harrisena@...> wrote:>> I put on "Renee's Genealogy Blog" a
pdf with screen shots of Family Tree. > If your interested in what it looks like, in
beta 1, here's the link:> http://rzamor1.livejournal.com/2006/02/24/> > Renee Zamora> www.harrisena.com>

Heather Stovold

That is the beta for the new software the LDS church is putting in the internet in the future... I believe the person that posted this originally posted on

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That is the beta for the new software the LDS church is putting in the internet in the future... I believe the person that posted this originally posted on legacy and got blasted.

I don't know a lot about it, except that it is replacing Ancestral File and the thing (can't remember the name) that replaced it - is setup to allow cooberation including handling disputed facts - and will eventually have information from other sources....

It also supports and actually encourages people documenting their submissions (the very weak point in Ancestral File....)

hope this helps a bit..... I think there is more to it than I've said here....

Same here – went to the blog but could not figure it out either. Can you provide some more information on this?

Dick Davis

Heather thanks for the clarification. Is there a way that we can see or get some more information on what is there? I went to the LDS site, but did not find

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, Feb 26, 2006

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Heather thanks for the clarification. Is there
a way that we can see or get some more information on what is there? I went to
the LDS site, but did not find anything. I know, like everyone does, that there
is some missed/incorrect information with the LDS records and for years I have
just used them as a lead to finding information my ancestors.

Also, does anyone use the program
Custodian? I downloaded it and have been playing around with the program. It is
limited in several ways as well as the interface is old. I have been part of
the beta testing for the new version of Clooz. But I am sure that there other
other programs out there that can be used or can be addons to Clooz. From what
I have seen/experienced with the beta testing of Clooz is there is a good
interface and a good interaction with the various points of data and files that
are created. I like it much better than the older version that is out there now
– hopefully the new version will be out in a couple of weeks and I can start
really using it to keep my files straight.

That is the beta for the new software the LDS church is putting in the
internet in the future... I believe the person that posted this
originally posted on legacy and got blasted.

I don't know a lot about it, except that it is replacing Ancestral File
and the thing (can't remember the name) that replaced it - is setup to allow
cooberation including handling disputed facts - and will eventually have
information from other sources....

It also supports and actually encourages people documenting their
submissions (the very weak point in Ancestral File....)

hope this helps a bit..... I think there is more to it than I've
said here....

Same here – went to the blog but could not
figure it out either. Can you provide some more information on this?

Steve Hayes

... I played around a bit with demo versions of Clooz and Custodian, but not really enough with the former. Custodian seemed pretty expensive for what it

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On 26 Feb 2006 at 19:36, Dick Davis wrote:

> Also, does anyone use the program Custodian? I downloaded it and have been
> playing around with the program. It is limited in several ways as well as the
> interface is old. I have been part of the beta testing for the new version of
> Clooz. But I am sure that there other other programs out there that can be
> used or can be addons to Clooz. From what I have seen/experienced with the
> beta testing of Clooz is there is a good interface and a good interaction with
> the various points of data and files that are created. I like it much better
> than the older version that is out there now - hopefully the new version will
> be out in a couple of weeks and I can start really using it to keep my files
> straight.

I played around a bit with demo versions of Clooz and Custodian, but not
really enough with the former.

Custodian seemed pretty expensive for what it claimed to be able to do, and
kept its data in a strange place, so I lost it all when I upgraded my
computer. .

I didn';t really play with Clooz long enough to be able to see what it can
do, and will wait for the new version.

More recently I've been playing with Genota, a program for organising
research notes rather than sources (like Custodian). I haven't been using it
long enough to really test its capabilities, but so far it seems quite
useful, though the lack of capability of entering patrial dates is a
nuisance.

... The screen shots really do not say enough about what it does, and I found them quite small and hard to read. I gather it is some sort of upgrade of the

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On 26 Feb 2006 at 19:36, Dick Davis wrote:

> Heather thanks for the clarification. Is there a way that we can see or get
> some more information on what is there? I went to the LDS site, but did not
> find anything. I know, like everyone does, that there is some missed/incorrect
> information with the LDS records and for years I have just used them as a lead
> to finding information my ancestors.

The screen shots really do not say enough about what it does, and I found
them quite small and hard to read.

I gather it is some sort of upgrade of the Pedigree Resource File, but may be
wildly wrong.; No one can see it yet, as it is still being tested with LDS
members only.
.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: shayes@...
Web: http://www.geocities.com/hayesstw/stevesig.htm
Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727

Renee Zamora

This software Family Tree will be available from the LDS for free on their website. It s still in beta test, beta 2 should be coming up at the end of spring.

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This "software" Family Tree will be available from the LDS for free on their
website. It's still in beta test, beta 2 should be coming up at the end of
spring. Family Tree will be on the website and not anything you have to
download - you will need the internet to access it.

So, Is this competing with the similar program that has been made available from Ancestry.com? Also, with this LDS Family Tree, how will there be able to be

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, Feb 27, 2006

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So, Is this competing with the similar program
that has been made available from Ancestry.com?

Also, with this LDS Family Tree, how will
there be able to be challenges or corrections to the current records that are
being held that have inaccurate information that has been submitted either for
storage with the Church or for Temple ordinances?

This "software"
Family Tree will be available from the LDS for free on their website. It's still in beta test, beta 2 should be
coming up at the end of spring. Family Tree will be on the website and not
anything you have to download - you will need the internet to access
it.

--- In gensoft@yahoogroups.com ,
"Renee Zamora" <harrisena@...> wrote:>> I put on "Renee's Genealogy Blog" a
pdf with screen shots of Family Tree.> If your interested in what it looks like, in
beta 1, here's the link:> http://rzamor1.livejournal.com/2006/02/24/>> Renee Zamora> www.harrisena.com>

Renee Zamora

Beta 2 on Family Tree is estimated to start late spring. They give no date for when it is officially released to the world. I guess you could say it competes

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, Feb 27, 2006

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Beta 2 on Family Tree is estimated to start late spring. They give no date
for when it is officially released to the world. I guess you could say it
competes with Ancestry but Family Tree will let you merge all the records it
has on Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource File and the IGI - that's something
Ancestry doesn't have access to.

One of the wonderful features of Family Tree is the ability to dispute
information and document reasons for that dispute. You can merge people and
retain all the information from all individuals merged. You can even
un-merge people you have merged together. Nothing is lost and you can add
so much to the information that it there. It has a note field and you can
document you sources on events.

About that note field to document sources.. it will be mandatory
that sources are provided- right?

Otherwise the entire thing will just be more dreck cluttering the
internet...IMHO

Kerry Raymond

... While I am all in favour of people including their sources, I think one has to accept that many people don t do this. Some of them simply don t record

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, Mar 1, 2006

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> About that note field to document sources.. it will be mandatory
> that sources are provided- right?

> Otherwise the entire

thing will just be more dreck cluttering the

> internet...IMHO

While I am all in favour of people including their
sources, I think one has to accept that many people don't do this. Some of them
simply don't record their sources at all, while some of them record them but on
paper not in their database.

Just because a person doesn't record their sources,
it doesn't mean that their information is wrong, simply that its accuracy is
harder to assess. I've had many valuable leads from people who didn't include
their source information. Finding a source to confirm such a piece of
information is much easier than finding that information in the first place. For
example, here in Queensland, the privacy rules restrict access to death indexes
so it is be hard to find deaths in the past 40 years. However, if someone tells
you a death date, it is relatively easy to confirm it using sources such as
death/funeral notices, but virtually impossible to find the date of death using
death/funeral notices (as these are not indexed).

I'll take whatever information I can get, whether
it's sourced or not. I'd leave it up to each individual to decide if unsourced
material should be used or dismissed, as they prefer.

Kerry

Renee Zamora

The note field and source field are two separate things. They plan on having Family Tree request the source information any time you add an event to the

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, Mar 1, 2006

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The note field and source field are two separate things. They plan on
having Family Tree request the source information any time you add an event to
the person's life. So if you add any information it will teach you you
must document where it came from. Hopefully it will teach people the
correct way of doing genealogy.

--- In gensoft@yahoogroups.com, "Renee
Zamora" <harrisena@...> wrote:>> Beta 2 on Family Tree is
estimated to start late spring. They give no date > for when
it is officially released to the world. I guess you could say it >
competes with Ancestry but Family Tree will let you merge all the records
it > has on Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource File and the IGI - that's
something > Ancestry doesn't have access to.> > One
of the wonderful features of Family Tree is the ability to dispute
> information and document reasons for that dispute. You can merge
people and > retain all the information from all individuals
merged. You can even > un-merge people you have merged
together. Nothing is lost and you can add > so much to the
information that it there. It has a note field and you can >
document you sources on events.> > Renee Zamora>
www.harrisena.com>

About that note field to document sources..
it will be mandatory that sources are provided- right?

Otherwise
the entire thing will just be more dreck cluttering the
internet...IMHO

Steve Hayes

... If I put information on the Web, I don t usually include sources. If a person finds a family connection, then they can get in touch with me and we can

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, Mar 1, 2006

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On 1 Mar 2006 at 23:19, Kerry Raymond wrote:

> I'll take whatever information I can get, whether it's sourced or not. I'd
> leave it up to each individual to decide if unsourced material should be used
> or dismissed, as they prefer.

If I put information on the Web, I don't usually include sources. If a person
finds a family connection, then they can get in touch with me and we can
exchange information, including sources.

There are many data leeches out there who like to take, take, take, but never
give. There's one person who's been badgeting me to give information, but
won't tell me it's name, or its family line to the person it claims to be
descended from. So I don't put *everything* I have on the web, but enough for
people to see if there is a possible connection. But if the person *is*
related, then I want to know who they are.