Within the messages of many prominent speakers of truth,comes the themes of oneness, and global consciousness.
This at first glance would appeal to the vast majority of folks,but the concept has a hidden agenda.
"oneness" it seems implies the sacrifice of the self,aka the naughty ego,and individuality,they start wars apparently so I ask do we want to be unthinking drones?

Very insightfully you spotted a seeming contradiction of monism.
However, bear in mind that to realize that all is One does not negate the self. It's simply a realization.
I think of it as rays of Light going through a prism.

I agree with you here in the ideal sense of the term and ?probably? how Sagan meant it to be realised,however "oneness" as is being pushed by the new age guru's seems to be heading as I described above.

Agreed. Sagan's compassionate and all-embracing Oneness has nothing to do with the psychopathic, exploitative, collectivist dreams of the sick elitists.

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Now, how you translate this realization into a socio-economic system

Plotinus wrote:

God is not external to anyone, but is present with all things, though they are ignorant that he is so.

I would agree here also but for the all things does that include rocks and suchlike?
If it does this seems to going down the green agenda route of ?panthaeism?,if that's the correct term (and spelling?)

Now, how you translate this realization into a socio-economic system is a different question.
In this field, by far the most human solution seems to me to be the abolition of money and competition. Totally utopian for now, but you never know.

John Maynard Keynes wrote:

When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals.
We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for two hundred years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues.
We shall be able to afford to dare to assess the money-motive at its true value.
The love of money as a possession — as distinguished from the love of money as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life — will be recognised for what it is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease ...
But beware! The time for all this is not yet.
For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still.
For only they can lead us out of the tunnel of economic necessity into daylight.
"The Future", Essays in Persuasion (1931) Ch. 5, JMK, CW, IX, pp.329 - 331, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930); as quoted in "Keynes and the Ethics of Capitalism" by Robert Skidelsyhttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

Bertrand Russell wrote:

Good nature is, of all moral qualities, the one that the world needs most, and good nature is the result of ease and security, not of a life of arduous struggle.
Modern methods of production have given us the possibility of ease and security for all; we have chosen, instead, to have overwork for some and starvation for the others.
Hitherto we have continued to be as energetic as we were before there were machines; in this we have been foolish, but there is no reason to go on being foolish for ever.
Ch. 1: In Praise of Idlenesshttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell

This is all very well,and an ideal solution to the madness that's been orchestrated into this capitalist experiment of ours.
Only problem is, those that have profitted the very most from this experiment, still get to decide the fate of others.

The Iluminati's covert mission objective is to kick all God fearing people whether Muslim, Christian or Jew, out of their respective churches and to replace them with fakes.
God fearing people also have to be covertly removed from positions of authority in all political parties.
An essential aspect of this covert op. is, like the Gestapo, they have to identify the faith of everyone in the Western world for their database.

Agreed. All God loving people should be aware of the one world religion plan._________________The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"

The Iluminati's covert mission objective is to kick all God fearing people whether Muslim, Christian or Jew, out of their respective churches and to replace them with fakes.
God fearing people also have to be covertly removed from positions of authority in all political parties.
An essential aspect of this covert op. is, like the Gestapo, they have to identify the faith of everyone in the Western world for their database.

Agreed. All God loving people should be aware of the one world religion plan.

Most Christians are being sucked in to the One World Religion. Remember the World Council Of Churches. I took you to one of the events over New Barn Park. That was an event called Churches Together. A WCoC event.

Matthew 24:24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Revelation 17:1-2 .....'And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.'

There are many examples in the bible that warn of the NWO as well. I speak of scripture, not of bible code._________________"It's called the American Dream, because you have to be alseep to believe it"

Agreed. All God loving people should be aware of the one world religion plan.

Not just god fearing people but anyone.I think its an important thing for atheists to at least know about because it adds support to the "truth" of biblical prophecy. Many people believe in Christ because of the Old Testament prophecies that are fulfilled in him. The New testament is full of warnings of future events given with the intention of encouraging people to get right with their maker._________________JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12

My similar experience was more like an outer body experiance. I saw light (like a beacon in total darkness) I was floating and it took a while to make out (blurred Vision) what was in the light, it was me lying there, I noticed I was floating away higher and higher, at that point I thought 'What the hell you doing' and snapped back into conciousness.
I do have an open mind as I didn't look away from the my main source of light but know it didn't seem painfull, maybe a little unnerving though._________________'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'

“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”

we see an early painting depicting Mary and Jesus. On Mary's head-dress is a symbol, a cross. In an analysis (which I can no longer find) of the Astana pyramid, the author of the website flattened the top section of the pyramid (pyramidion) to show that the shape it produces is the same as the cross.

Interestingly (for someone interested in triangles), at a recent temporary exhibition at the British Museum 'Warriors of the Plains'

I saw that several tribes depict the thunder bird or thunderbeings often in beadwork, as two or four triangles, apex to apex (examples are surprisingly difficult to find on the web) Inadequate example -

The original masonic Guilds had absolutely no relevance to todays Freemasonry. The Masonic Guilds pre-Henry VIII were the holders of the geometry which enabled them to build such big Cathedrals and Churches.

They remained a closed door only to ensure the knowledge remained with them, they were not in any way magical save the fact they knew how to build, it had to be so or the Church would have no need to use their craft...they would lose all contracts.

Freemasonry as we know it today is the end product of the re-branding after the dissolution of the Monasteries and Guilds which became the Aristocratic club including the gentry.

So much is miss-understood as to the real moves against this nation played out in history, history of course is understood based on ones own spiritual connection, which brings to mind the old ditty :

''by my own self I am nothing'', or to that effect...._________________KEEP IT REAL

Some good points made on this thread but I think what everyone misses is the fact that all religion is man's attempt at solidifying a morality in a way that can be understood by each race which of course determines the religious doctrines.

Having said that, there is a bridge between the mundane and the heavens which is hidden in many religious doctrines, which if adhered to not out of any kind of forced compliance, but if the will comes from the heart then I see absolutely no problem with any of the religious beliefs, for they symbolise a journey which very few are aware of, and the reason such scorn is placed on religious doctrine.

There really are what in the old days were called the profane, and those who mock such doctrines, clearly have no connection to anything outside their own ego, and as such are trapped within the five sense reality.

The symbolic story of Jesus is a very old mystery school doctrine, and symbolises the death of the mortal man to be reborn as a man in full connection with the frequency we call the heavens, a spiritual symbolic death.

A little less reason and a lot more spirituality brings this understanding.

It is the heavens who decide who gains entrance while in body, the mind has no power in this regard, if the doctrines bring forth the idea of contradiction, then one's sword is firmly fast in the stone, you are nowhere.

... but I think what everyone misses is the fact that all religion is man's attempt at solidifying a morality in a way that can be understood by each race which of course determines the religious doctrines.

One of the foundational doctrines of the Christian faith is that it was God who came down to man. Whilst other religions are often mans attempt to get back to God-- through various rituals and practices.

.... then I see absolutely no problem with any of the religious beliefs, for they symbolise a journey which very few are aware of, and the reason such scorn is placed on religious doctrine.

This is the "all roads lead to heaven" view. Christianity disagrees with that as Christ says there is only one way John 14:6

The symbolic story of Jesus is a very old mystery school doctrine, and symbolises the death of the mortal man to be reborn as a man in full connection with the frequency we call the heavens, a spiritual symbolic death.

The true story of the real Jesus is hinted at in the book of Genesis, pointed to throughout the whole of the Old testament by the prophets and manifested in the New testament when he walked the earth and testified through his words and miracles and resurrection . Certainly he teaches the need of a symbolic death of the old man and the rebirth of the spiritual new man but whilst we are alive. "unless a man is born again he cannot see or enter the kingdom of Heaven"

A little less reason and a lot more spirituality brings this understanding.

Christ says there is a need of self evaluation and repentance towards God as a precursor to the new birth but this is initiated by the working of the Holy Spirit in your life.

You may throw stones now.....

No stone throwing now-- Christ said love your enemies! Bless you my friend _________________JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12

I have just finished a thorough re-examination of the Christian's Bible and have finally decided categorically that the Vedas, in particular the Mahabharata, holds a far clearer and less biased account of earliest recorded times.

I have sadly come to the conclusion that the Bible is a very clever work of propaganda for the most part - the largest warning sign of this state of affairs is the exclusion of one of the original disciples' epistles - Thomas.

You have been utterly conned for 2000 years - you are still being conned and psychologically damaged and enslaved by a fairy tale.

You may just as well believe the present OTT outpourings of Regev & Emmanuel for all the good it will do you.

Time to ban me here, I think, as until you come out of your cozy, fixed preconceptions based on falsehoods, you're not in any genuine position to make accurate decisions on what is right, what is wrong and what is to be done about it.

Go right back to Enki and Enlil and start again, please.

Oh, finally, same goes for Islam - another nonsense fairy tale, only Allah doesn't appear quite as psychotic as Yahweh.

In the name of God - free Gaza!

See what I mean?

There are no gods - just early peoples experiencing the appalling acts of beings just a little more advanced than themselves, writing it all down then letting 'the priesthood' mould it into a mind-distorting power structure for the next few millenia.

And here we are, all fighting over TI.ANNA, nicked by 'King' 'David' in the first place!

What a mess - no wonder we can never break the cycle..._________________"We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl

I have just finished a thorough re-examination of the Christian's Bible and have finally decided categorically that the Vedas, in particular the Mahabharata, holds a far clearer and less biased account of earliest recorded times.

No - I've said what I wanted to say (provoked by the inevitability of the free gaza outcome) - it's up to you to pull the mote out of thine own eye and start a very careful and unbiased study of the 'original' Sumerian tablets - a good place to start, if you can get access, would be the Schoyen Collection.

IMV, although they weren't called Zionists in the Cain/Seth/Serpent eras, there are just too many disturbing parallels between Biblical fables and the way modern Israelis like Regev, Lieberman, Emmanuel et al present 'facts' to the world. Most Christians seem to turn a blind eye to the knowledge that history is written by the 'victors'... meanwhile, real evil marches ever onwards and downwards...

I also note you're being petty again - why not just go the whole hog and ban me altogether?_________________"We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl

Speaking of the Sumer tablets.... try studying men who have spent their whole lives working with Cuneiform, they state quite clearly the fact that for Sitchin to have come up with such a fantasy from the tablets is ridicules.

They are a lot of shopping lists and letters by many accounts

More to the point, the fact Saddam was about to place the tablets on show for the world to decipher in my eyes was the weapon of mass destruction, not against religion but for the gnostic knowledge which is made to fit almost entirely on the translations of Sitchin, thus suggesting Sitchin made the story to fix their gnostic Babylon as sound.

But if like the Masons one wishes to believe in Anu as your lord and master, then go ahead.

The Gnostic s are all about absolute control and as you mention Thomas, you may wish to study his Gospel, its all in there...._________________KEEP IT REAL

Study Heiser and one can come to an understanding of what Sitchin attempted. And so the misdirection goes on, generation after generation until we arrive at toads like Regev and Emanuel. Does anyone still think these wretches are a modern phenomenon?

Anyway, when so very few of us have either the time or ability to decipher all these Sumerian tablets, we can but attempt to decipher the interplay between the so-called experts. Therein often lies an even more revealing tale, IMO ;-)

As for Thomas, yes, I have studied enough different translations to understand just why it was excluded by Christianity's founding hierarchy.

We are all so distortedly programmed by millennia of agitprop, one might almost imagine we have been crippled deliberately...

Couple that with the latest alleged pronouncement from the Bilderbuggas that 'people with income are an impediment to our plans' and a thread not only becomes apparent but should hit most people right between the eyes. They cannot proceed until the majority have once again sunk into ignorance and rendered terminally fearful by one shibboleth/priesthood or another.

No, IMO, we are all sovereign (in all its meanings) beings, and it is up to each individual to think and act for themselves to find out where the source our spiritual connection arises and how to become one with the extraordinary energy it can provide...

This is what all religions to date
have set out to annihilate._________________"We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl

Thanks for the heads up on Heiser, Thermate, though a little less anger from you would perhaps show you have indeed learned something from your studies, as it stands you are far too angry to have found the spirit of the heavens.

Hi Life - that's a 'powerful' Sumerian symbol you have for an avatar ;-)

I am sorry to note, though, that my posts come over to you as anger when my intention is clarity.

Whilst we remain beholden to those manipulators who are dead set on keeping us all at the knee-jerk emotional/belief level, none of the world's problems are going to be resolved - do you really want to remain in crisis management mode unto the 7th generation? Me, my kids and their kids don't - that I know for sure.

I'd be interested to hear of your conclusions after a deep research into Sitchin and Heiser's lives and antecedents - an interesting pattern emerges, IMO.

So, no anger here Life; just patiently awaiting mankind's awakening from
a ~3000 year long psycho-scam, a scam that has crippled rational action and keeps us on the wheel of misery, generation after generation.

Yet we have identified the evil in our midst very clearly now - what do you plan to do about it - without getting angry, that is? ;-)

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Good to see this in a side panel to that excellent link you provided:-

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...What you are doing in truth is exercising your English constitutional Common law protection over a deceptive fraud.

Statute law is the British Admiralty Law,the law of the sea. Formulated for international trading as the British Empire spread.

It is not the law of the land, the elite have usurped our common law with this law of the sea, and we have accepted it.... do not enter into contract with the corporate law and it cannot touch you. ...

_________________"We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl

The Gnostic s are all about absolute control and as you mention Thomas, you may wish to study his Gospel, its all in there....

Lifeinthemix goes on evidence.

Show us your version of the Book of Thomas.

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Enoch
7:10 Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantation, and the dividing of roots and trees.
7:11 And they conceiving brought forth giants (Gen. 6:4-6);
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

Fake Christians lure in students
Blimey! These fake Christians are coaxing in student suckers in Wales.
I suppose this is why traditional Christianity was removed from schools in the 1970s and 1980s so that kids would grow up with no idea of God or Christactually is.
Quite frightening that this can pass off as genuinely Christian without a critical voice being raised.

This is the same Dave Vaughan who is the mad monk on Big Brother. _________________JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12

Fake Christians lure in students
Blimey! These fake Christians are coaxing in student suckers in Wales.
I suppose this is why traditional Christianity was removed from schools in the 1970s and 1980s so that kids would grow up with no idea of God or Christactually is.
Quite frightening that this can pass off as genuinely Christian without a critical voice being raised.

Dave Vaughan prophesies. God's looking for people to take up the challenge!

It has been going on for a long time to the point people have no idea what Christianity is or was.

Thanks to the Nonconformist Evangelical movements, completely Theosophical in their doctrines, we have Satanism parading as Christianity.

Christianity was the rebellion against all things statute, aka the Babylonian system carried forth by the Levite temple, the same have turned rights under god to rights under Jesus, their Jesus.

If we take the symbolism of the story of Jesus in Christianity and translate it correctly, then we are left with absolutely nothing written.

Jesus in his symbolic journey shows its all about all you do, rather than how well you sit and pontificate, this is what matters, he wrote nothing he just got on with bringing forth the message for his time to continue the fight against all things statute.

The obsession with Jesus shows categorically that all things Evangelical is of the profane for the profane.

Truth is the message, not the messenger, obsessing with the messenger ensures they never see the truth, and you get happy clappies, Freemasons, and garbage, the other way round of course.....

Talking of obsessions, is this rendition any less valid than the 4 out of ~204 gospels that, over quite a few dead bodies, made it into orthodox christian bible?

James the son of Zebedee wrote:

“But there is a kingdom beyond all that you behold, and therein I shall rule. And if it is your choice, and if it is indeed your desire, you too shall come and rule with me.

“My face and your faces shall not be masked; our hand shall hold neither sword nor sceptre, and our subjects shall love us in peace and shall not be in fear of us.”

Thus spoke Jesus, and unto all the kingdoms of the earth I was blinded, and unto all the cities of walls and towers; and it was in my heart to follow the Master to His kingdom.

Then just at that moment Judas of Iscariot stepped forth. And he walked up to Jesus, and spoke and said, “Behold, the kingdoms of the world are vast, and behold the cities of David and Solomon shall prevail against the Romans. If you will be the king of the Jews we shall stand beside you with sword and shield and we shall overcome the alien.”

But when Jesus heard this He turned upon Judas, and His face was filled with wrath. And He spoke in a voice terrible as the thunder of the sky and He said, “Get you behind me, Satan. Think you that I came down the years to rule an ant-hill for a day?

“My throne is a throne beyond your vision. Shall he whose wings encircle the earth seek shelter in a nest abandoned and forgotten?

“Shall the living be honoured and exalted by the wearer of shrouds?”

“My kingdom is not of this earth, and my seat is not builded upon the skulls of your ancestors.

“If you seek aught save the kingdom of the spirit then it were better for you to leave me here, and go down to the caves of your dead, where the crowned heads of yore hold court in their tombs and may still be bestowing honours upon the bones of your forefathers.

“Dare you tempt me with a crown of dross, when my forehead seeks the Pleiades, or else your thorns?

“Were it not for a dream dreamed by a forgotten race I would not suffer your sun to rise upon my patience, nor your moon to throw my shadow across your path.

“Were it not for a mother’s desire I would have stripped me of the swaddling-clothes and escaped back to space.

“And were it not for sorrow in all of you I would not have stayed to weep.

“Who are you and what are you, Judas Iscariot? And why do you tempt me?

“Have you in truth weighed me in the scale and found me one to lead legions of pygmies, and to direct chariots of the shapeless against an enemy that encamps only in your hatred and marches nowhere but in your fear?

“Too many are the worms that crawl about me feet, and I will give them no battle. I am weary of the jest, and weary of pitying the creepers who deem me coward because I will not move among their guarded walls and towers.

“Pity it is that I must needs pity to the very end. Would that I could turn my steps towards a larger world where larger men dwell. But how shall I?

“Your priest and your emperor would have my blood. They shall be satisfied ere I go hence. I would not change the course of the law. And I would not govern folly.

“Let ignorance reproduce itself until it is weary of its own offspring.

“Let the blind lead the blind to the pitfall.

“And let the dead bury the dead till the earth be choked with its own bitter fruit.

“My kingdom is not of the earth. My kingdom shall be where two or three of you shall meet in love, and in wonder at the loveliness of life, and in good cheer, and in remembrance of me.”

Then of a sudden He turned to Judas, and He said, “Get you behind me, man. Your kingdoms shall never be in my kingdom.”

And now it was twilight, and He turned to us and said, “Let us go down. The night is upon us. Let us walk in light while the light is with us.”

Then He went down from the hills and we followed Him. And Judas followed afar off. ... ... ...

The obsession with Jesus shows categorically that all things Evangelical is of the profane for the profane.

Truth is the message, not the messenger, obsessing with the messenger ensures they never see the truth, and you get happy clappies, Freemasons, and garbage, the other way round of course.....

The message Jesus brought was that he was the "truth".
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life no man omes to the father but through me"_________________JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12

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