Bernie Sanders called for all rape accusations on college campuses to be handled through law enforcement, a controversial stance that puts him at odds with many advocates.

Decrying rape and sexual assault on campuses as an “epidemic,” he said schools must not try to handle the issue internally.

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“Rape and assault is rape or assault whether it takes place on a campus or a dark street,” he said Monday at the Black and Brown Presidential Forum in Iowa.

“If a student rapes another student it has got to be understood as a very serious crime, it has to get outside of the school and have a police investigation and that has to take place.”

Sanders is still a white knight mangina for saying that rape on college campuses is an epidemic when statistics show otherwise. However, there is another interesting angle to this. Sanders is Jewish. We keep hearing from white knight nationalists (like Angelo John Gage who took his videos down) and conspiracy theorists that the Jews are behind feminism. If the Jews were behind feminism, then Sanders would never have said that the criminal justice system should handle rape cases and not college tribunals like the feminists want. If the Jews were behind feminism, then whatever Sanders would have said on the subject would be the same as what feminists currently think. Since there is a difference, then Jews aren’t in charge of feminism in any way whatsoever.

Sanders will do one of two things now that he is being attacked by feminists for saying that rape should be handled by the criminal justice system.

Stand firm on what he said in the face of relentless feminist attacks on him.

Fold like a cheap suit and give in to feminist demands (similar to how he responded to attacks from #BlackLivesMatter)

While I expect Sanders to do the latter, in either case it will prove, again, that the Jews aren’t behind feminism. If Sanders stands firm on what he said, then it proves that feminists will not do what Jews want. If Sanders folds, then it shows that Jews are giving in to what feminists demand and not the other way around. That would show that feminists can force Jews to do what they want so the Jews can’t be in control of feminism in any way whatsoever.

If you think things like this, then you aren’t an anti-feminist. For the last several years from Rolling Stone at UVa to mattress girl at Columbia, we have witnessed just how large the false rape industry is. Yet, as soon as a middle eastern refugee/immigrant gets accused of rape, so called anti-feminists who know just how pervasive the false rape industry is automatically believe the accusation. Anyone who ever applies the feminist principle of “listen and believe” to a rape accusation, even in limited cases, is a feminist. And plenty of so called anti-feminists did that with the alleged rapes in Cologne.

For those of you who have been around this part of the internet long enough, this shouldn’t surprise you. The same thing happened when Dominique Strauss-Kahn was falsely accused of rape. A man’s race or his politics is no excuse to automatically believe a rape accusation like a feminist. What a lot of so called anti-feminists are doing is trying to be more feminist than actual feminists. It’s a bad idea for many reasons, and it just strengthens the false rape industry.

Why is adopting “listen and believe” such a problem in limited cases? The best example why starts with this video of a white knight nationalist who is highly emotional about the alleged rapes in Cologne and wants to start “rape patrols” to stop them:

Notice how he’s talking about violently assaulting middle eastern refugees who supposedly are raping white women. He doesn’t talk about giving the alleged rapists a trial, fair or otherwise, due process, or innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. For him, if a woman says she was raped, he wants a gang to beat or murder the alleged rapist. He also attacks MGTOWs for not wanting to join his gang of refugee beating white knight nationalists.

One reason why we have such a problem with the college rape “tribunals” is because they exist to circumvent the criminal justice system and due process. This white knight nationalist also wants to circumvent the criminal justice system and due process. He is just as bad as the college rape “tribunals”. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he’s similar to the college rape “tribunals” because he is talking like a feminist and acts like a feminist (engaging in “listen and believe).

Feminists want rape to be handled outside of the criminal justice system because the criminal justice system demands things like evidence and believes in principles like innocent until proven guilty. Just like the college rape “tribunals”, this man is giving the feminists exactly what they want with his “rape patrols”. It’s no surprise that the entire video is an emotional outburst against MGTOW who are actual anti-feminists.

Since today is father’s day, I added a new page about how fatherhood and not marriage is essential for civilization. I’m disabling comments on this post because all of the content is on the new page. Follow the link or click on the tab at the top of the blog to read the page and comment on it.

Someone named Mark Minter announced that he got engaged, and this created quite the uproar in the androsphere. While I have seen the occasional comment from Mark Minter, I really don’t know who he is. I can’t comment on this except to say that the uproar is missing the point. There are two important things everyone should remember:

I found this blog post about the need for a Jewish manosphere. I agree. As the post points out, just as feminism as infected Christian churches, feminism has also infected Judaism. And like with the feminist infection of Christianity, the post points out how feminism has infected all forms of Judaism including orthodox Judaism. The post even points out there is likely a problem with women frivolously divorcing even in orthodox Judaism (just like how frivolous divorce in prevalent in the Christian church) although there is no data on it right now.

Feminism negatively impacts men from every religion out there and atheists (remember elevatorgate). It’s not just an attack on Christianity despite what various Christian tradcons say. To say otherwise just divides men who should be united against feminism and provides fodder for conspiracy theorists to say that the Jews are behind feminism.

The Manosphere, which I believe is primarily comprised of black and South Asian men, seeks the destruction of the family, and by proxy or deliberate motivation, traditional white society. What the Manosphere seeks as their utopic vision, a societal-level sausage fest, will accomplish nothing and furthermore directly contradicts the biological imperative of every single animal that has ever lived. By focusing on the gender war, their occasionally noble pursuit implicitly ignores the far more fundamental aspect of liberalism – hatred of Western civilization and whites. While not in a full-length post, I’ve argued before that a large portion of the Manosphere is primarily concerned with exonerating NAM men for their crimes and instead placing the blame at white feminists for society’s ills; with white women also being a group that has largely rejected them sexually. The fact that the Manosphere aggressively opposes racial discussion, both on their blogs’ front pages and within their comment sections, implies that such a characterization has merit.

Discussion: The target is accused of declaring war on the white race or hating white people in some way. Typically, this is used by white nationalists, but it also used sometimes by various reactionaries and conservatives who want to paint the target as a believer in multiculturalism. Examples:

You hate the white race.

You are just angry that white women have rejected you.

You want to destroy Western civilization.

You are blaming white women for the crimes of non-white men.

You are failing in your duty to produce white children.

You are trying to destroy the white race via miscegenation.

Response: Feminists who use the tactic of “women and minorities” do not care about non-white men. Non-white men are victims of feminism just like white men. The damage feminism does affects poor men to a greater degree than other men, and poor men are made up of a higher percentage of non-white men. The first victims of the false rape industry were black men who were lynched by the KKK because a white woman lied about being raped. White nationalism is nothing but a goddess cult that worships white women so they are as feminists as self described feminists.

And eight out of eight of them are white. Eight out of eight are male. There are some very significant Jewish MRA’s. So I suppose there is a really good reason that “nobody is saying it.” It isn’t worth saying. And a word of caution, mein herr. Every once in a while someone shows up in the comments to sell the Big Jew Conspiracy. It’s bullshit. And the last thing I will allow is for the comments of this website to serve as a platform for that kind of crap. Don’t bring it here.

I hope this leads to all of the white (knight) nationalists to thinking that the Jews run the MRM. That way we don’t have to deal with their white woman goddess cult on MRM blogs and websites. Not only do we not need the white (knight) nationalists, they’re a hindrance to everything we want to accomplish.

In this part of the internet there are many traditionalists and others who attack the idea of going ghost and try to promote marriage. They will repeatedly say that they are “defending marriage”. For those of us who know the score about marriage 2.0 and how marriage 1.0 is already dead in Western countries, these “defenders of marriage” are either intentionally or unintentionally pushing men into the feminist institution of marriage 2.0. Many of these “defenders of marriage” will claim that they are just trying to protect ”traditional marriage” (i.e. marriage 1.0) from those who are trying to “destroy marriage” (which typically means MRAs to them, even though MRAs aren’t trying to “destroy marriage,” but warn men of the dangers of marriage 2.0). How do we know whether these “defenders of marriage” are legitimate in their defense of marriage, or are just trying to force men to submit to a conservative/traditional form of feminism? The answer is the expat test.

In these arguments for and against marriage, the debate is presented as getting married vs. not getting married. This is an inaccurate way to frame how men are dealing with the current situation regarding marriage. There are more than just those two answers — there are actually three options:

Get married in a marriage 2.0 (feminist) country

Get married in a marriage 1.0 country (which by definition involves expating, because bringing a woman to a marriage 2.0 country ends up being option 1)

Don’t get married whether you expat or not

Anyone who claims to defend “traditional marriage” should love option 2. They should love the idea of a man making sure that he gets a traditional marriage by expating to a marriage 1.0 county. It shouldn’t matter to them where a traditional marriage happens as long as it happens. This objectively does more to preserve “traditional marriage” – by any definition that the “defenders of marriage” would use – than getting married in a marriage 2.0 country, which does nothing to preserve traditional marriage.

If you confront “defenders of marriage” with the expat test, what will their response be? Typically, they will be against the idea of a man expating to another country to enjoy a traditional marriage. They will come up with all sorts of nonsense to argue against expating to contract a marriage 1.0 arrangement. The arguments range from culture to, in extreme cases, white nationalism/racial obligations. In other words, in nearly all cases, a “defender of marriage” will fail the expat test, proving that their real goal has nothing to do with “traditional marriage;” instead, it is about placating the women in their churches and producing more babies. Their push for marriage is really about white knighting for women and/or their fear that their group or race is not having enough babies.

If you’re reading this, it’s likely none of this is is new to you. However, the expat test still has value because it can be used as a tool to prove objectively that nearly all “defenders of marriage” aren’t actually defending marriage, but have other goals, none of which take men’s interests into consideration.

Please, would you and the others in the manosphere quit using the Jew analogy! The whole holocaust fairytale is complete bullshit. I believed it for most of my life, just like you, how couldn’t we? It is all we are taught, or better said, it is all we are told, thousands upon thousands of times, everyday, everywhere we turn, pretty much from the age we learn to speak. But you’re obviously a bright guy that thinks for himself, so look into. We have the net now, you can educate yourself on so many things, like I am sure you did about the feminist lie. There is a ton of information out there. The Holohaux scam is falling apart, and fast, just like so many of the other scams. Get on the wave so as not to lose credibility. You’re a good writer.

And no, I am not a Neo-Nazi, or a “Jew-hater”, or any of the like…..just someone with a passion for the truth……..

I say keep using Jew analogies. Not only did the holocaust happen, but what happened to the Jews is an apt metaphor for is happening to men. I also like how it pisses off white nationalists.

The Jews in charge see the MRM as benign and non-threatening and useful too. Some time ago I looked at some MRM websites, and they all had one thing in common. If you did what they said, you would be contributing to the end of the white race.

There’s an MRM blog called “Citizen Renegade” where the author who is a Jew tells white men how to “game” women for one night stands. White men who listen to Mr. Renegade will not have relationships with white women or form families meaning that the next generation of whites will be smaller. There’s another MRM blog called “Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology”. It should be called Pro-Jew/Anti-White Technology. The author there encourages men to only have children with Indian surrogate mothers in India. I also found a guy there who is a Hindu Indian, who brags about how he tricked women into miscegenation by donating sperm to a sperm bank and claiming he was white on their paperwork. There’s also a blog called “Omega Virgin Revolt” that is about nothing but generating hate among white men for white women.

The MRM is Jew run movement for preventing white men from forming families with white women and killing off white children before they’re even conceived. If you aren’t convinced the MRM is a Jew run movement go to any MRM blog and you will find them defending the Jew Strauss-Kahn and saying that Jew is a victim.

Here is a somewhat unusual, anecdotal point of view on this subject. In my professional millieu, I am around a lot of smart, attractive late 20s / early 30s girls who have long term boyfriends that to my best judgment are greater betas to lesser alphas, but no marriage or children on the horizon. Further, those girls are really wanting to get that ring and start a family. I talk to a few of them, and overhear conversations of others. The boyfriends won’t shit or get off the pot. And I want those girls to have children.

Now, I understand the legal perils and other things that are causing those guys to hold off on getting married, or having a kid. But somethign must give, or entire crops (LOL at my econ-speak) of smart, beautiful girls will not have children like themselves.

Seriously, those girls ought to tell their boyfriends that she wants to start a family, and to give him a way out if he is unwilling; And if he doesn’t take the exit door, to just get herself pregnant wiht him. I’d rather those girls have out of wedlock chilren than no children at all, especially knowing that the boyfriends woudl come around to assuming th eresponsibility of fatherhood.

It’s a tragedy that the “Knocked Up” movie is a model for girls who look like Katherine Heigl to not go extinct.

If you scroll down, this fool reiterates that white women should trick white men into knocking them up. I’m sure this white nationalist hates me as I am preventing multiple smart and pretty white women from reproducing.

I hope Sabrina and Kate both successfully trick you with multiple oops pregnancies, PMAFT, if you’re all white. You have lots of money and power. White men like you should have children and if you refuse with your MGTOW mental degeneracy your white goddesses should force it on you. It’s your duty to the white race. PMAFT, I know you don’t want glorious white children but you will understand why having white children is important after having them.

You should be excited at the possibility of reproducing with multiple white goddesses. You have the opportunity to be more evolutionary successful than the losers of this so called manosphere with their lack of reproduction or minimal reproduction with one woman. That is being a white alpha.

This is just another reason why white nationalism is really just a goddess cult and should be called white knight nationalism. White nationalists are not actually opposed to feminism in any meaningful sense. They are only against something they think the Jews did which means they provide no real opposition to anything feminism does. And as this example shows, white nationalists are enablers of misandry.

I find most of the “alt right” to be completely useless. They are very similar to the white (knight) nationalists who are nothing but manginas. Here is a good example. Some of you might be familiar with Brett Stevens. For those of you who aren’t, he’s one of the “alt right” types, and he writes at amerika.org.

An estimated 95% of the rapes that take place in the UK are never reported. Only 6.5% of reported rapes in England and Wales result in a conviction on the charge of rape. – The Guardian

Why so few convictions? Because in a time of sexual liberation, there’s almost no way to prove rape. Unless a dozen people saw the woman screaming “stop rape” after she was assaulted by a random person, there’s no real evidence. Semen or a condom? Also used for consensual sex. Evidence of roughness? Also happens during “normal” sex. He will say she said she wanted to have sex; she’ll say she didn’t. Did she change her mind? Did he misread the signals? It’s not as serious a crime anymore, because with so many women chucking the goods out the door without a second thought, it’s hard to prove they were unlikely to have said yes. No one wants to start another million-dollar court case where the evidence will never be strong enough to satisfy many critical observers.

Here, Brett Stevens takes feminist statistics on rape as gospel. Rather than admitting the false rape industry exists, Stevens says that DSK, the Duke Lacrosse players, Julian Assange, and many other men we don’t know the names of are all guilty of rape, but it couldn’t be proven. This is verbatim what feminists say about false rape accusations, that the accused men are all guilty but got off scot free. The fact is that these women lied. There is no confusion or lack of evidence. The facts are these women lied, but Stevens defends them like a feminist.

Brett Stevens supports the false rape industry just like a feminist. And like feminists, he is perfectly fine with false rape accusations being used against those he perceives as political enemies.

Ball luckily didn’t hurt anyone but himself, but his is just another story in what is a growing list of acts of violence and domestic terrorism from the unhinged element on the right.

Since when did suicide become an act of violence against other people? Since when did suicide become an act of TERRORISM? Mr. Ball went out of his way to make sure no one else got hurt in his suicide. He can not be compared to a suicide bomber. There is no way a rational person can consider this man a terrorist. Mr. Ball didn’t terrorize anyone which is a fundamental part of the definition of terrorism. On the other hand, an anti-family court terrorized Mr. Ball so that court could be considered “terrorist”.

The feminists commenting at Pandagon are just as insane as Amanda Marcotte. Here is an example:

I was caught off guard by Ball’s statement that the Klan is a hate group in his rambling manifesto. I wasn’t expecting that because of the intersections between MRA’s, tea baggers and hate groups.

Suicide threats are an extremely typical Nice Guy tactic. I have had so many guys say something like “Oh, I guess I should just kill myself then” if I turned them down for a date or broke up with them.

I have always been of the opinion that the “nice guy” doesn’t really exist except as a caricature and a straw man. This confirms it for me. The idea that there’s a group of men seriously threatening women with suicide if they don’t date them is so far from reality that I can’t believe that it’s taken seriously by other commentors at Pandagon.

Guys like him are narcissistic assholes. He doesn’t “like” anyone; they only exist for him. For guys like him, kids aren’t there for him to love and care for, they’re there as a display of the might power of his penis and the fact that he’s had sex with a woman.

This is just proof that feminists don’t consider men to be human beings. What other possible reason is there for writing something so absurd?

As one of my commenters pointed out in a post I put up on the case, when a woman burns her husband to death in his sleep, it’s seen as a major wake-up call regarding violence against women, and is immortalized in an award-winning movie starring Farah Fawcett titled The Burning Bed.

But somehow, when a man like Thomas Ball burns himself up, it is not seen as a wake-up call for how men are treated unjustly by the court system. Instead, some “compassionate souls” see his death as yet another wake-up call regarding the needs of women. Do men ever matter to these “feminists,” or do they get pleasure out of men’s pain? I am thinking the latter.

Take this “letter from a homeless woman”. Her life’s story consists of getting raped by members of a cult, being abandoned by a husband while pregnant who cheated on her, and a father that…let me show you what she said:

I do believe my father was either an Illuminati or something similar. He tortured me by not letting me sleep in a bed; I had to share a sofa with my sister and he would sneak in at night and shut off the heat, so we would freeze in the living room, which had 9 windows. He did secretive mind control and hypnosis on my baby brother while he was asleep. He had a collection of books on mind control techniques and after he died I read them and realized he practiced those techniques on me and my siblings.

There are quite a few things that are fishy about her story. If you were homeless isn’t emailing Henry Makow high priority? How was this secretive hypnosis done when hypnosis can’t be forced upon you? Knowing what we know as part of the manosphere about lies of abuse being used in divorce cases, the false rape industry, etc. this woman just sounds crazy. (And crazy women will fabricate stories about rape.) Someone her cheating, lying husband turned her 5 children against her. If you know anyone with a psychotic parent you know how they will have to cut off contact if the parent doesn’t get help. (I know someone who had to deal with this.) Of course the parent doesn’t understand what really happened creating a story about what really happened just like this woman did.

No one there questions this woman’s story because it has some Illuminati crap and some crap about “reversal energy” in California and most importantly it allows their white knighting to run rampant. Just take a look at this comment on that post:

Dear Marie, I have said a prayer for you through our intercessor Jesus Christ to God The Father. I have asked Him to find you a good and beautiful home to live in the rest of your life and that He finds you a decent man who will provide for you. Every woman deserves a fine man to look after her, provide for and love her.

What else can I say? (As an aside the California HQ of the Illuminati is not in San Diego. I would know.)

I would be greatly pleased if those who call themselves proud Hungarian Jews played in their leisure with their tiny circumcised dicks, instead of besmirching me.

Why is this woman using the standard, “you have a small dick”, shaming language? And she does it doubly so for attacking these men for being circumcised. Are there no Jewish women in Hungary? Take a look at what else was said about her:

She`s a practicing Catholic with three daughters. Her ex-husband, a journalist, is a Jewish socialist.

I trust her for all she has said and done in accordance with Christ`s teachings.

She primarily researches the area of penal law, dealing with the retrospective administration of justice, the question of abortion, victim’s rights in criminal procedure, the dignity and rights of the HIV positive, child abuse and sexual exploitation, the problem of prostitution, discrimination and domestic violence. She is author of the book Terror a családban (Terror in the family) a book on domestic violence.

between 2003-2006 she was a member of the Women’s Anti-discrimination Committee of the United Nations.

She was the Hungarian member of a UN Women’s Rights Committee

In the UN Women’s Rights Committee Morvai conducted research into what she called the “inhumane living conditions” of Palestinian women

Remember only Palestinian women have problems. Palestinian men are rich and living it up in their palaces.

Even posts like this about female debauchery have the implication that it’s the fault of men. Where do these guys keep meeting bisexual women? I can never meet any. I would like to know…just for my own curiosity.

As I have discussed before female supremacism isn’t limited to just feminism. As we know there is conservative female supremacism and Islamic female supremacism. There are a lot more than three forms of female supremacism. White Nationalism is also a form of female supremacism. White Nationalism promotes misandry by attempting to turn what would otherwise obviously be issues caused by misandry to issues of race. It seeks to keep men of different races from working together and discovering how much they have in common.

Mr. Locklin, I do hope that your desire for foreign women won’t overshadow the white man’s duty to reproduce with his own racial group.

Other than the racial rhetoric this could have been written by a conservative female supremacist white knight. Look at this one:

To broadly insult our mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters in this manner is tasteless. Both American women and men have some changing to do, changing we can do ourselves. But you’re doing what feels good for you and that’s what counts for you. Paradoxically, you’re the typical modern American man: empowered, sassy, sarcastic, and dedicated to gratifying yourself. You’re not loyal to the nation or interested in seeing it through to a restoration. You’re doing your own thang and won’t take no bojive from people who are offended when you insult them.

Lock-load is an insulting cretin. As well as an utter moron. The article is loaded with errors. He shows two pictures of actresses. Lillian Gish was an American woman She had a career that spanned decades.This makes her a successful career woman – who succeeded in a business crawling with the Tribe. She would not have endured the juvenile insults of a pathetic, inadequate joke Lockloser for 2 seconds.

Neither would have Hedy Lamar – a woman that used her exquisite beauty to garner every type of material benefit imaginable. She was bi-sexual, and fled Nazi Germany, to serve the goalso of Die Jude, in America. Lockloser most likely would not have had enough cold hard cash to elicit her attention. Her idea of a dinner date would have included diamond bracelets, as hors d’ oerves.

Lockboor then includes the photographs of an assortment of foul Lesbians, and Jewesses, as representative of American females. Which they are decidely not. The promotion of every sort of denegeracy, in every American institution, is the work of the Franfurt School of Talmudic Jewry. The horrors of a degraded American, and global, womanhood, is the work of the Jew.

Lockinadequete-appendage rhapsodizes about the helpfulness of foreign females, and asserts that they aren’t as greedy and grasping. I suspect Lockmommy’sboy is exceptionally good at retaining his small hoard of cash, and resents the expenditure of the price of a hotdog, on a sidewalk stand, on any female – but if he thinks that foreign females are not materially obssessedm and greedier than George Soros – he’s still a virgin. Asiatics are the most soulless, heartless, absolutely ammoral hardheaded gold-diggers, that have ever befouled the Earth. Impovershed Eastern European females are not far behind. I have personally witnessed the very thorough skinning of every assett, of American White males, who have sought “submissive, demure” foreign brides. I have laughed in the faces, of those men, when they bemoaned their impovershment, and legal ravagement. They got what they sought, and they got what they deserved.

Finally – the White Nationalist movement is always whining about the absence of females. Gee – I wonder if snarky, snot-drenched attitudes, exemplified by Locksociallyretarded, have anything to due with this problem? Sorry, fellas – it’s not women that have to please you – you have to please, and lure in women.

Yup. It’s true. My 9 year old nephew has better social skills, than do 90% of you.

Gee, thanks, Richard Spencer, for publishing this insulting garbage. All this article has done is PISS OFF a lot of WN females.

I demand an apology. And a retraction.

Really – I do.

As a White American Woman. Who talks to a lot of other White American women. Who have HAD IT with snarky, juvenile, insulting socially-cretinous WN men.

Many, many of the comments reveal the precise nature of the problem – the boorishness, childishness, and social inpetitude of American males.

Once again, fellas – the onus is on YOU to please women. Not the other way around. Ghetto Negroes have better wooing, and flirtation skills, than so many White males. A lot of you guys are beyond pathetic. You really have nothing to offer females of any Race. A lot of you have very little money, and you are not as physically attractive as you flatter yourselves to be. To many of you – not all – but many – your attitude towards women is the most repellent aspect of your being. It’s not women – it’s you.

As anyone can see it’s all massive amounts of misandry and shaming language with some racial rhetoric thrown in. The misandry inherent in White Nationalism goes deeper than a few comments on the internet. Where did the false rape industry start? It wasn’t with feminists. The KKK (Ku Klux Klan) had their own version of the false rape industry white women would make false accusations of black men. Drop the racial terms and it’s no different the the current feminist false rape industry. Take a look at what happened during the Rosewood Massacre. A woman lies about being beaten and raped and a random black man living in Rosewood gets lynched. Then a massive battle between white men and black men happened where at least several men got killed. Multiple men died all because a woman lied about rape, but the Rosewood Massacre is not properly recognized as being part of the false rape industry because race was involved.

We have to remember that misandry is the central problem facing all men today. That’s true regardless of what race a man is. Men of all races have a great deal in common. White Nationalism tries to hide that fact effectively acting as a vehicle for the promotion of misandry to benefit (white) women. White Nationalism and other racist ideologies are misandarist and benefit no man.