Some simple brief observations. 1:16 Still both
lights surely, reflected or ignited is to make you appear a little over
critical. 1:26 Likeness
isnt duplicate.2:2 we are
having some difficulty with knowing the days of the week. Sunday is day number
one Johnny.In your obvious passion to discredit ancient text written by 66 authors over many centuries isn`t doing yourself or your fellow Atheist much good if done so sloppily.

Now come to ancient wisdom, or indeed any wisdom, maybe your fathers or mothers, humbly and see what is trying to be shared......one can learn.Cynicism is not going to help your dying body from going to the grave, the absolute inevitability of death, and the imponderable fact that in 100 years no one is going to be still here.The Bible is the most in-depth collection of books on earth from poetry, drama - prophecy -fulfillment - law - Grace - salvation - condemnation ...I could go on.

To give you the heads up, the problem is understanding the Mystery given by the ressurected Christ to Paul.

Your detractors would, if you have any, given you erroneous information on how God is dealing with man today.

Would continue if asked.

As an ex Atheist I suggest there is still hope to consider as I believe in all mens Heart Death is unacceptable to life.

(04-04-2011 02:35 AM)Buddy Christ Wrote: Yep. This is gonna be a long one.

Feel free to throw your own logical dissections at any time.

GENESIS

First off, I'm skipping the whole "how were plants created before light/photosynthesis, how was light created before the sun, contradictions of which was created first" word games. Those take up too much time and words and pie.

1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

-The moon is not a light, it is a reflection of the sun's light. This is the first of many examples that suggest that God's omnipotence seems to be limited to the knowledge of the demographics and time period of when the Bible was written. Strange.

1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

-Our? Just how many gods are there?

2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."

-even though they say that God only "rested" to set an example of how would should rest on the 7th day, couldn't the Bible just say "rest on Sunday" ??(question mark)? It clearly says God rested, which means that this all-powerful being was worn out from all those valleys and hills and Wyoming and platypuses.

The Garden and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

-Sooooo... God takes these 2 newly formed, ignorant to life humans, puts them in a garden with a tree bearing food, nonchalantly goes "don't eat from it" ... then leaves... to go make Venus, I guess. And you know the rest.

So... WHY did he put them near the tree? WHY did he have that which he didn't want humans to attain be edible and tempting? WHY did he leave? WHY did he allow Satan the Snake to be in the garden, knowing full well that he would tempt them? Why did God design these 2 humans to be susceptible to temptation?

Then God comes strolling by (3:8 "walking in the garden in the cool of the day") at the PRECISE moment after they eat the fruit and goes "whoa whoa, what's going on here?" (I'm paraphrasing, of course)

It's like having a 2 year old child and going "Now son, I'm going to leave these delicious chocolate chip cookies sitting right here within reach of you. I'm going to the store to buy some Funyuns. Don't eat them. Bye!" When any caring parent would remove temptation, knowing that the child doesn't know any better.

So it's quite obvious to me that God WANTED man to F up royally. God created man with the sole purpose of imposing "original sin" upon him, so that he may feel guilty and grovel and ask forgiveness for something that wasn't his fault for all eternity.

That child who ate the cookies is now 40 and the parent is still bringing it up daily. "I don't care if you saved an orphanage from burning down today... remember when I told you not to eat those cookies and you did?"

Cain slays Abel and is "cast out" arbitrarily from one remote location of this empty world to another random remote location. Then he worries that "every one that findeth me shall slay me."

-This is a strange worry since he is 1 of 3 people in existence. Then he sleeps with his wife to start the incestual chain of humanity... but where did his wife come from?

6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days"

-I'm assuming these are literal giants and not "intellectual giants" or some modern term.

Then the Lord decides that all humanity is corrupt and needs to be massacred via flood.

-One... why the need for an elaborate flood? Why not just use your God powers and make every one not exist? You can only create from nothing, not turn into nothing? Two, were we not already told that men were made in His image? So either God is evil and corrupt, which is why we turned out like we did before and after the flood... or he is incapable of creating things how he wants. God is a flawed designer.

Maybe that's why he doesn't show his face anymore. He tried once, messed up and started over. Then he was like "whoa hold on, hold on. No, stop making more people. Wait, why did you kill that guy? Stop fucking! There's too many of you already! You know what!? Fuck this, I'm out!"

Then there's the Ark which I won't discuss do to redundancy. There are thousands of videos mocking this obvious nonsensical fairy tale already. The average thinker explaining the flaws of Noah and his ark is analogous to a world renowned chemist giving a lecture on the validity of alchemy.

Then Noah (the only righteous man in the world) gets hammered on wine and passes out naked.

Then the humans build an impressive tower and God (completely caught off guard) confuses them by making them speak multiple languages because their tower was more impressive than the one he made in shop class.

Many pages of slaves and servitude and historical inaccuracies and more incest

Lot offers his virgin daughters to a mob of rapists to appease their lust for the sexually attractive angels

God burns Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground, including all those "evil" children and newborn babies.

God turns Lot's wife in a pillar of salt just for kicks and giggles. Why exactly was it so wrong to look back at a village being assaulted by fire raining from the sky? If no one was supposed to look, perhaps God could've made the destruction a little more subtle.

Lot's daughters got their father drunk, then raped him." Yeah, I've been really drunk before, even drunk, high, and on acid at the same time. And not once during that time would I have "mistakenly" slept with my family members. Especially since they lived in a cave, separate from anyone that could have been confused for a bar skank.

21:1 "And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. For Sarah conceived..."

-God made a booty call

For some reason, God takes human form and wrestles Jacob. He is losing so he cheats and gropes Jacob's inner thigh.

Various pages discerning which parts of the penis to chop off.

Onan is murdered by God for spooging on the ground instead of impregnating his brother's wife.

A 7000 page story about Joseph being thought dead, but actually not.

INTERMISSION

For those of you that read this far... Bravo, you bored and dedicated souls. Obviously all the books aren't as interesting or important as Genesis, and will be skipped over (I'm looking at you Psalms).

In reply to your comments Damted:
1:16 If something reflects light but does not emit it then it is not a light. I reflect light. You reflect light. We are not lights. Every time we see something it is the result of light being reflected off of those things into our eyes. The only things that can be described as lights are things that are light sources.

Unless you are prepared to call a stick of celery a light, the distinction is important.

1:26 He was not saying likeness means duplicate, he was talking about the use of the word "our" - a plural term suggesting more than one god. Which isn't surprising given the Hebrew people were originally polytheistic.

2:2 Sunday is commonly referred to as being the day of rest despite it being the first day not the seventh. Who's being picky now?

In fact in the Jewish calender the Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday.

Sure everyone is going to die, but how is that relevant? If you cannot prove that there is life after death then any belief of it is purely wishful thinking, you don't know anything about it.

The problem is not understanding the "Mystery" as you put it - the problem is proving any of it happened.

(28-01-2013 05:15 AM)hedgehog648 Wrote: 1:26 He was not saying likeness means duplicate, he was talking about the use of the word "our" - a plural term suggesting more than one god. Which isn't surprising given the Hebrew people were originally polytheistic.