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Re: Tim Tebow, anti gay

Tim Tebow is a tool of the religious right-freaks. He has had a personal relations firm handling his public persona since he was in the 9th grade. His parents are religious frauds who make a glamorous living off the backs of the poor who support their ministry. It is a damned shame that many can not or will not see through the Tebow sham....glad as hell to see the piece of shit cry like the little girl he is.....cry on Timmy Sue....

Re: Tim Tebow, anti gay

The bigger they are the harder they fall ... for all his self righteousness Tebow will, much like Tiger Woods, stumble somewhere along the way and he'll then find out that there is an entire world out here that doesn't revolve around over paid ego driven athletes ...

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

I know a lot of gay people are willing to ignore anything about guys they think are hot, even if they are racist, sexist, assholes, etc. But I find Tebow completely unattractive after learning he is a conservative Christian who is working with the notoriously anti-gay Focus on Family and their anti-abortion campaign.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

The anti-abortion part doesn't bother me at all,indeed I'm very sympathetic.His mother chose to have him despite being in a tough personal; situation.Being against,or deeply ambivalent regarding most instances of abortion is very ethically defensible.It's the anti gay part of Focus on the Family,which is indeed a major cog in their agenda,that's indefensible on all grounds and would be the reason I was appalled by the commercial.The hypocrisy of the group is contemptible,and it is commmon with most of the social conservative organizations to sour their so-called Christian values with the acidic vinegar of bigotry and intolerance.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

^Yea but every woman is not his mother and should be able to choose what to do if they become pregnant. Just like his mother was able to make a choice to keep her pregnancy. His mother and him want to take away other women's freedom. And that's not right. It's kinda selfish for you to only care about Focus on Family's issues that concern gay people and not care about how they oppress another minority group. It's like you're saying oppressing women who get pregnant is ok but oppressing gay people is bad just because you are a gay person.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Originally Posted by aijalon18

I know a lot of gay people are willing to ignore anything about guys they think are hot, even if they are racist, sexist, assholes, etc. But I find Tebow completely unattractive after learning he is a conservative Christian who is working with the notoriously anti-gay Focus on Family and their anti-abortion campaign.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Originally Posted by aijalon18

I know a lot of gay people are willing to ignore anything about guys they think are hot, even if they are racist, sexist, assholes, etc. But I find Tebow completely unattractive after learning he is a conservative Christian who is working with the notoriously anti-gay Focus on Family and their anti-abortion campaign.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Originally Posted by aijalon18

^Yea but every woman is not his mother and should be able to choose what to do if they become pregnant. Just like his mother was able to make a choice to keep her pregnancy. His mother and him want to take away other women's freedom. And that's not right. It's kinda selfish for you to only care about Focus on Family's issues that concern gay people and not care about how they oppress another minority group. It's like you're saying oppressing women who get pregnant is ok but oppressing gay people is bad just because you are a gay person.

Thank god there are still a few gay guys -- like yourself -- who don't excuse a white straight muscular jock for his narrow world views, sexism and homophobia, just because he's a white straight muscular jock. You'll find no love on gay boards like this one where pecs trump critical thinking, but the recalcitrant minority (including myself) commends you for the above statement.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper

Thank god there are still a few gay guys -- like yourself -- who don't excuse a white straight muscular jock for his narrow world views, sexism and homophobia, just because he's a white straight muscular jock. You'll find no love on gay boards like this one where pecs trump critical thinking, but the recalcitrant minority (including myself) commends you for the above statement.

I appreciate your post because I predicted that if anyone responded it would be "I dont care, he's hot." I love how you pointed out the white straight muscular jock part too. Gay people love to nitpick about anything another gay person does. The self hatred within the community is almost unbelievable. A perfect example is how any thread about Adam Lambert turns into a bashfest. But a white straight muscular jock could be a Neo-Nazi rapist and people would be saying how they would give up their souls to rim him.

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

^ It's so true. Another good example: Kanye West gets mercilessly bashed (here and on several gay blogs) for being Kanye West and especially after Taylorgate, even though West is one of the only rappers who has come out and said that gay people need to be treated equally, and he's even criticized hip hop for being too homophobic and urged the community to change that. Did gays in general thank Kanye for that? No. Instead he is constantly ridiculed for things that don't matter at all.

Meanwhile Tim Tebow et al can form an alliance with any homophobic group they want, and gays are all, "But he's still hot" and "It's his right to free speech." I don't think I need to point out that this hypocrisy falls along race lines, straight male worship, and conventional notions of beauty (big pecs, thick neck, blue eyes etc).

Re: Tim Tebow looking good in 'GQ'

Originally Posted by aijalon18

^Yea but every woman is not his mother and should be able to choose what to do if they become pregnant. Just like his mother was able to make a choice to keep her pregnancy. His mother and him want to take away other women's freedom. And that's not right. It's kinda selfish for you to only care about Focus on Family's issues that concern gay people and not care about how they oppress another minority group. It's like you're saying oppressing women who get pregnant is ok but oppressing gay people is bad just because you are a gay person.

Choice is great when it isn't going to affect the life of those who are here already...I don't like Focus on the Family and if you read my post while without thinking up your preconceived talking points,I don't like the organization specifically because of their anti-gay views.I also support birth control and safe sex,things conservative religious groups foolishly oppose.Abortion is as best very questionable ethically to defend....even Bill Clinton tried to play it down the middle when he supported abortion rights but said abortions should be rare.Hiswords being that abortions should be "safe,legal and rare."It is a shame that liberals who say they believe in human rights for everyone have ceded the moral high ground to the social right regarding abortion.I'm defending only the viewpoint expressed in the commercial...not the group.Their actions against the rights of gays for equality under the law are morally abhorrent,very un-Christian.

We're not going to convince each other regarding our stands on abortion rights....CBS has said it has adapted its policy on accepting advertisements on issues so unlike the time a couple years back it would not air a very positive pro-gay marriage ad as too controversial...if a similar one is produced and marketed to them or other stations it should air as well.

A snippet from it about Tim:Tim Tebow in the youngest of the Tebow children. He was born in Manila, Philippines to missionary parents Bob and Pam Tebow.

Note the referral to Focus' Web site at the end of the TV ad. That TV ad is just to get people to go to Focus' Web site, where there is doubtlessly tons of deceptions, half-truths, distortions, and outright lies. I've seen all this before and come to expect nothing less than that from that organization in the nearly 20 years that they've been in my state.

You can't take anything those people at FOTF say at face value. There's always some agenda, sometimes hidden, sometimes not. Doesn't matter whether James Dobson is running it or not. I've seen waaaaaaaay too much in 20 years -- I wouldn't trust them one bit.

Re: hahahaha did you see the Tim Tebow superbowl ad

The story (supposedly, if you believe anything those people say) is that her pregnancy was difficult and her doctor advised her to get an abortion. She didn't, and eventually delivered Tim.

Nothing wrong with that, BTW.

But, if it was a difficult pregnancy, traveling that far, to return to the US, probably wasn't an option either. Most women with that kind of pregnancy get put on bed rest. And the Phillippines' laws on abortion are pretty tough:

There is no law in the Philippines that expressly authorizes abortions in order to save the woman's life; and the general provisions which do penalize abortion make no qualifications if the woman's life is endangered.

Sorry, bud. This TV ad is a friendly, cheery little ruse designed to get people to go to their Web site, where they'll lay their political traps. I've seen FOTF do this kind of stuff before. They haven't changed.

I actually don't care if FOTF is anti-abortion; I don't really have a horse in that race. But, they should be honest. That's what I really despise about them: they lie. Like a rug.