JT: There is disagreement as to whether the task force is going to be an effective way to make progress. Some sense that each 'camp' is moving forward mostly independenlty, leading to them being out there side-by-side

17:33:28 [noah]

JT: Even if so, my personal feeling is that there is useful work for a group of some sort to do in helping to either identify subsets and guidance, change them to bring them together, give guidance to people doing vocabularies, etc.

17:33:59 [noah]

JT: I would like to know what the TAG thinks about undertaking an effort framed in that way, and whether it's a good use of my "TAG time" in particular.

17:34:11 [noah]

JT: Also curious whether we should keep pushing harder for convergence.

17:35:08 [noah]

TBL: My initial hopes for the task force and looking at your blog post... I had the impression that you Jeni thought there was some overlap, and perhaps that some syntax could be shared. I thought if that was the case, a task force could take a real technical look.

17:35:43 [noah]

TBL: Obviously, you have to get buy in. If there was a small change, e.g. to RDFa, would people be willing to consider such a shift, and similarly for microdata?

TBL: If that's technically impossible, I'm willing to put away the task force. If it's technically feasible but politically problematic, then we should hold people accountable if they are intransigent. The future is longer than the past.

17:38:53 [noah]

JT: I always thought if we were going to get convergence it won't be by "banging heads". Rather, it will likely be by gradually evolving the languages to the point where there is defacto commonality, which people will come to recognize and value.

17:39:48 [noah]

JT: I'm somewhat inclined to do this through e.g. change proposals and bug proposals. It's important that there also be a polictical context in which such proposals would get the right attention.

17:44:07 [noah]

NM: F2F session

17:44:12 [noah]

JT: Probably not

17:45:02 [noah]

NM: OK, we will not hold time, but I would welcome it if you ask for a session, even for informal brainstorming.

noah: some others were saying that other people have it as their day job

18:24:35 [JeniT]

timbl: does the 2nd paragraph mean that current guidelines can't be technically implemented?

18:24:55 [JeniT]

plinss: they're not being implemented because they're hard to implement for performance reasons

18:25:14 [JeniT]

... the TAG needs to say that this is important, across specs

18:25:27 [JeniT]

... or to say too little too late and forget it

18:25:55 [JeniT]

noah: would it make sense for you (plinss) to write something that the TAG might say (to the private address)

18:26:10 [JeniT]

... it sounds like something that we would write email to address rather than a finding

18:26:19 [JeniT]

... we can then discuss that email

18:26:28 [JeniT]

plinss: I can do that

18:26:40 [JeniT]

ashok: I wonder if we should have Addison come on a TAG telcon to tell us what's going on

18:26:55 [JeniT]

noah: yes, but it would have to be after the F2F

18:28:12 [JeniT]

... we could send an email to Addison

18:28:19 [JeniT]

... saying we're working on a position

18:28:55 [timbl]

Tracker, who do you know?

18:29:16 [noah]

. ACTION Plinss to draft possible TAG position statement on Unicode, and alert Addison Phillips of our intention to attempt to get agreement starting in October after the F2F

18:29:32 [JeniT]

noah: is this worth F2F time

18:29:45 [JeniT]

plinss: I think it's worth a little bit of time

18:30:21 [noah]

ACTION Plinss to draft possible TAG position statement on Unicode, and alert Addison Phillips of our intention to attempt to get agreement starting in October after the F2F

18:30:21 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-592 - Draft possible TAG position statement on Unicode, and alert Addison Phillips of our intention to attempt to get agreement starting in October after the F2F [on Peter Linss - due 2011-09-08].

18:31:03 [JeniT]

Topic: ACTION-510: RDF URI mappings in the HTML5 microdata

18:31:33 [JeniT]

noah: does Hixie dropping the section resolve your concern, timbl?

18:31:51 [JeniT]

timbl: yes, that resolves one concern, raising the concern about no standard mapping from microdata to RDF