Calculating the breadth of life amongst the stars

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Now, first, I want to lay claim to that same thought process by which Pi was first calculated. For, myself, as surely as Archimedes, solved it in my youth, using a similar but somewhat more complicated method. My construct had 6 parts; each the result of two factors multiplied and all six were added together; the formula gave the area of a circle without using Pi. It came out to the exact same answer as that derived using Pi for every size circle. This was 6th grade, and because it wasn't part of the lesson plan, it was lost. For anyone interested in recovering what I did there, I'm quite certain I sliced the circle into pie slices, calculated the triangles within the pie slices and then set up triangles that included the semi-sphere at the end of each slice. The formula was able to deduce a fraction of the triangle that the semi-sphere represented for the end triangles. By applying that fraction, it solved the area of the circle contained in each end slice, then gathered them all up. I have no idea how the triangle was built or what the fraction was it calculated, but it was based on very elementary concepts, so there was law there that practical mathematics has missed, and it is still missing today.

But now, this post isn't about that. But it is about the reasoning process in that and more. Believe with me, that the mathematics and reasoning of those who decide what it is they are looking at out there - in our galaxy - is very much the same process as that which the brain travels on the journey to discovery of how to build a formula that answers how to calculate a matter, be it volume or whatever. And it is this journey of reason and faith that I wish to examine closer.

Okay, so what is the latest rationale for planets that may contain life? First off, we are only looking at the Milky Way Galaxy, and then, we are using method to determine and detect these planets, because they are not "visible" ... they are so far away. I do believe the latest consensus, if such a thing exists, is that our galaxy has roughly 200 billion stars, and there is - quite roughly - an equal amount of planets. One in a thousand planets - hence, around 200 million - lie in the warmth zone of liquid water. This isn't saying that they have water, just that if they do, it should be in liquid form.

Now, here's where the journey of reason and faith comes into play. What is the reasonable guess, based on those numbers, for how much life is in our galaxy? Before you embark on that, using statistics, you have to first be sure that chromosomes are a natural byproduct of stellar wind and water; and I doubt that conclusion, because it has never been produced without first using existing chromosomes... which is cheating. If you can set up an experiment using existing chromosomes and reproduce those chromosomes in water, you still have not accomplished that with stellar wind, hence it has not proven that life is a naturally occurring byproduct of stellar wind and water. (much to the dismay of the New Age movement)

But then, life did happen here on earth. And let's take a moment and capture the infinite, in order to not stumble at the God factor, let's include God with life here. So, now we can say, life, in its totality, including the existence of God and his procreation, did happen here on earth. So, we can not rule out the creation of life from nothing, even if we have no evidence that it happens automatically from the stellar wind. IOW, there might be more to it, but it might still be happening, and something, by God, happened on this planet, so we know it is workable, or at least, that it worked once. So, the reason part of the journey says, if it worked once, it can work again, right?

This is where Christians go garbonzo nuts and imagine that God has a million other worlds in various fashion populating the galaxy and millions more beyond. But, WAIT a minute guys, there's no reason to imagine that life is automatic, it could easily be the case that life is a total unique experience that only happens when and where the Great Spirit wants it to happen. And this is where the faith part of the journey says, sorry, God is unique to our tiny planet (which is pretty big relative to our frame, BTW) he told us so in the scriptures. Actually, what he told us was, he knows of no other God, he didn't rule it out, he just said he hasn't had any contact. But he didn't tell us if he was up to his creation shananigans on other worlds or not, so that's another possibility. Indeed, the scriptures are very quiet about other worlds, they speak of the stars, not of planets revolving those stars. Some conclude that this is the result of man not knowing these matters in the times that the scriptures were written, but we don't really know that either, it seems the further you go back, the more man knew, so the negative faith journey doesn't get us to a conclusion either. Of course, we always have plenty of self-deemed authorities on God; these people know God so well, they know everything God is doing. Problem is, God himself said he wasn't telling us everything, only enough for us to live these tiny lives, so we only are given what we need for our short lives on earth, so even if the Bible thumpers deserve more credit than I will ever give them, God may still be propagating worlds that are none of our business.

Science is not capable of solving this riddle. The reason being, we can not go out there and gather empirical data, and we are too far away to gather it with our telescopes. It is, as the scriptures say it is, out of our reach. But we have one more resource in the human race that could give us a clue. We periodically get anointed saviors - messiahs - who seem to have extra concentrated doses of God resting upon them. And we get more of these than we realize. Maybe one of these messiahs could come forward and dig an answer from this God of life who definitely does inhabit one planet, anyway. I think this is our best bet to answering this riddle. Our lives are too short to solve the question, but God has been around a long, long time, or, I guess, like the stars, just always been there, somehow. Before this planet was formed, God was there. So, if we could get an answer from this God of our planet, it certainly should contain knowledge beyond our reach, eh?

I don't know that answer. I know another I could ask, but I have never heard him talk about it, but he's smarter than me, so he doesn't yap as much as I do. Maybe he knows. At any rate, I'm pretty sure science doesn't know, even if some THINK they know, they still don't know. I was never one to care either way, contact isn't happening in my lifetime, at least, not with an actual planet out there. (worm holes, shurm holes, the theory might be fine and dandy but no one has produced a working portal, other than saying it secretly exists, yeah, sure it does) Any contact down here is with terrestrial life, duh. And this is worth looking into, because we definitely have watchers watching us, so at least there's something real there, right in front of us. But I'm very skeptical when it comes to my fellow human's translations of messages supposedly from the watchers, any species that can produce car salesmen is not to be trusted.

What science wants us to do, is imagine that life, in our form, is a naturally occurring thing... all you need is the same elements, same temps, a world spinning in the right proportion to its mass, and voila, life pops up. Like it does here. And this is the crux of the matter; they are observing life on this planet and imagining - and looking - for that to happen on other worlds. I'm not of the opinion that life is itself some kind of automatic self creating substance. I'm a little more flexible than those who say life only comes from my God, period. Because maybe their God isn't as snobbish as his spokespeople tend to be. Maybe he (God) can't help himself and just creates life willy nilly every time he sees a world that feels right. Or maybe he felt like creating a bunch of worlds and building life on them and didn't tell his snobs on this planet. or maybe he built very different worlds with very different forms of life on them, maybe some star out there has some life form that needs a million degrees to stay alive. Who knows how precocious this God was when we weren't watching? Maybe science doesn't know exactly what to look for or where to look? And maybe science has its own snobs, because why doesn't NASA tell us about that ancient satellite in polar orbit that they have pictures of - fer crying out loud.

So then. At least, now, we have examined the entire picture. And that is what science is trying to do. Science is obsessed with creation, science can not accept that the stars were always out there, they know stars form, die, and reform, but they still keep looking for a beginning and an end. Here's where the scriptures might help. God has no beginning or end. So why not the stars also? and the planets? just dust in the solar wind. Pretty tough to nail down that dust. But the good thing about science is that it keeps searching, there is no absolute truth in science, it is a journey that never ends. So keep searching guys, and keep an open mind to faith, because you are going to need it on that journey.

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If you want to search for our very ancient beginnings, maybe the best portal to the ancient, ancient past is Peru. In Peru you have the mother of all civilizations - the Pacific continent of Mu (also called Lemuria) - establishing what would be a front line colony to their east, so it is very direct connection to the lost sunken continent that was the oldest center of spiritual, cultural, and technological powers of mankind.

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If you want to get some context on what actually exists out there... caution: you will never believe in the big bang theory again... take 7 minutes out of your life to put your entire life into perspective; watch this video (no speaking):

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Time to think about this question of size and the extent of the universe. This is simple stuff, we get it wrong because we think too much. (I was dancing all night at Tracy's Tavern, I've got a wee bit of egg nog in my coffee, this morning, hey, humor me, I feel like I've got a handle on this one)

Okay, what poisoned our minds was this single idea: the building blocks of matter. What was that? All of a sudden, man starts to think that the smaller you go, you keep getting smaller components of the next level; atoms form molecules, protons and neutrons bond with electrons to form atoms, quirks and whatnot form the protons, silly string forms the quirks, neutrinos and whatnot... but it doesn't follow at all, it works to a point, and then it all changes. The point where it changes is electrons (see "particle physics in a pig's eye" on justoffal's side of this forum) ... there are no building blocks to electrons. And electrons are not building blocks to protons, the whole nature of the universe changes... changes from particles to energy, changes from particles to forces, which is all we are detecting, neutrinos are not particles from distance stars, they are electromagnetic energy that show up from distant stars, and they certainly are not found in mass, (constructing every proton in existence); we've come across one neutrino for every google plex of protons we've discovered. Just because neutrinos are smaller and exist, it doesn't follow that they are the building blocks of electrons or protons, that is completely not the case.

Now, let's think bigger. Stars get larger and larger. And by the time you are looking at the breadth of the universe (see "star size comparison" video in post above this one) there are enough stars in this very enormous space to think of them as the particles of a larger existence; and sci-fi loves to imagine what that existence is, but if it exists, we haven't detected it, as far as we know and as far as we understand, this universe is filled with stars, and that's where the story ends, beyond that, we have no real knowledge of a construct that might employ the known universe as an atom to another level. We don't know it isn't happening either... just saying.

What really gets in my crawl is the idea that the universe ends at some defined point, just because we can't see any further. 15 billion light years away in every direction. What a crock. And what exactly is that out there at 15 billion light years? walls? Flat earthers make more sense. We even detect background radiation levels, so we know there are more stars out there, the universe doesn't end, there are no walls to the universe, the universe doesn't exist in a box, or a ball... c'mon people, we are better than that.

Another goofy concept: the big bang. The whole universe started from a single point of light. this is beyond stupid... some very religious thinking... some kind of internal need to see a beginning... and a finite universe. Add to that nonsense the idea that the universe is going to all burn out some day... despite the fact that we know stars reform, we know this happens everywhere, galaxies die out and reform, we see new ones and old ones, but some idiot put it in our brains that this all started 15 billion years ago from a pinpoint in space and it will all die out one day; the finite universe defined by the strength of our telescopes... flat earthers are laughing at our stupidity, it really is that sad.

No beginning and no end. And no building blocks below the electron level. It all just exists and we are born into it ... and we pass away too fast to figure out how simple it really is. We are the creation. We have a beginning and an end, not the stars, not the universe, not space, not time, those things are infinite.

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So now look out at these stars. Those "lights in the firmament" are without number, and yet, for all their vastness, they follow a pattern. Stars are mostly found revolving each other... the so-called binary twin of the sun is the natural assumption that our sun is most likely revolving another star, 99.9% of stars do this, they revolve each other. Assuming this is the case for our sun also, how would we be able to figure out which star is our binary twin? Not as easy as it sounds. We don't know what path our sun is on, we can't see any trace of such a model, we might be interacting with a whole bunch of stars out there; the time period for such cycles is so large, there's no way to map it out if you don't know to begin with, where to look.

What we do know is this; if the sun has a binary twin, as it most likely does, the two suns would revolve each other in some fashion. That could be any of a gazillion different possible patterns. The common denominator is it should happen in an elliptical manner, producing some type of corkscrew path for the sun as it travels around the galaxy. It is my opinion that the galaxy is spinning and our sun is held in place by gravity from a gravitational well at the center; some type of black hole. This would hold our relationship, or orientation, to the other stars in our arm of stars revolving the black hole... as all the stars are held in place by gravity. So the stars are revolving each other, but held in place in the galaxy, producing - for us - this cycle of orientation, that we call the ages.

This is not - repeat NOT - the result of a wobble in the earth. First of all, a spinning gyroscope, such as the earth, never wobbles. 2nd of all, it is evident that the earth has turned over, it has been struck by asteroids/meteorites and the spin has turned over from that, producing a new spin, new latitudes, so that Antartica is now at the pole and a former equatoral region is now Siberia. This was likely the cause of floods and a higher intelligence of former civilizations would no doubt map the new sky it produced in their area. It is the same sky, the same stars, but a new spin would offer folks in Egypt a different set of stars in their night sky... hence, they would map that new sky out... 10,000 years ago. (8000 BC)

Our view of the stars might shift, but the stars themselves are rather fixed, as is our sun. So it is the path of the sun that produces a shifting orientation to the stars, not the spin of the earth. The sun is on a much larger course, and we are dragged along with it. So it ends up being the evidence of a binary twin for the sun is ... the cycle of ages in the heavens. The very existence of that cycle is the product of a corkscrew path of the sun, AKA, an elliptical path produced by revolving another star.

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Time to think about this question of size and the extent of the universe. This is simple stuff, we get it wrong because we think too much. (I was dancing all night at Tracy's Tavern, I've got a wee bit of egg nog in my coffee, this morning, hey, humor me, I feel like I've got a handle on this one)

Okay, what poisoned our minds was this single idea: the building blocks of matter. What was that? All of a sudden, man starts to think that the smaller you go, you keep getting smaller components of the next level; atoms form molecules, protons and neutrons bond with electrons to form atoms, quirks and whatnot form the protons, silly string forms the quirks, neutrinos and whatnot... but it doesn't follow at all, it works to a point, and then it all changes. The point where it changes is electrons (see "particle physics in a pig's eye" on justoffal's side of this forum) ... there are no building blocks to electrons. And electrons are not building blocks to protons, the whole nature of the universe changes... changes from particles to energy, changes from particles to forces, which is all we are detecting, neutrinos are not particles from distance stars, they are electromagnetic energy that show up from distant stars, and they certainly are not found in mass, (constructing every proton in existence); we've come across one neutrino for every google plex of protons we've discovered. Just because neutrinos are smaller and exist, it doesn't follow that they are the building blocks of electrons or protons, that is completely not the case.

Now, let's think bigger. Stars get larger and larger. And by the time you are looking at the breadth of the universe (see "star size comparison" video in post above this one) there are enough stars in this very enormous space to think of them as the particles of a larger existence; and sci-fi loves to imagine what that existence is, but if it exists, we haven't detected it, as far as we know and as far as we understand, this universe is filled with stars, and that's where the story ends, beyond that, we have no real knowledge of a construct that might employ the known universe as an atom to another level. We don't know it isn't happening either... just saying.

What really gets in my crawl is the idea that the universe ends at some defined point, just because we can't see any further. 15 billion light years away in every direction. What a crock. And what exactly is that out there at 15 billion light years? walls? Flat earthers make more sense. We even detect background radiation levels, so we know there are more stars out there, the universe doesn't end, there are no walls to the universe, the universe doesn't exist in a box, or a ball... c'mon people, we are better than that.

Another goofy concept: the big bang. The whole universe started from a single point of light. this is beyond stupid... some very religious thinking... some kind of internal need to see a beginning... and a finite universe. Add to that nonsense the idea that the universe is going to all burn out some day... despite the fact that we know stars reform, we know this happens everywhere, galaxies die out and reform, we see new ones and old ones, but some idiot put it in our brains that this all started 15 billion years ago from a pinpoint in space and it will all die out one day; the finite universe defined by the strength of our telescopes... flat earthers are laughing at our stupidity, it really is that sad.

No beginning and no end. And no building blocks below the electron level. It all just exists and we are born into it ... and we pass away too fast to figure out how simple it really is. We are the creation. We have a beginning and an end, not the stars, not the universe, not space, not time, those things are infinite.

200,000 Year Old Ancient Levitation Technology That Defies the Laws of Physics

So get this, it wasn't chemtrails per se that killed all our honey bees, it was magnetism. Whether you are talking all those ELF waves being pumped into the atmosphere by HARRP or microwaves being broadcast off cell towers for our portable phones... bees are sensitive to magnetism and electricity, and what happened simply was the bees onboard directional guidance given by God was screwed up by our modern electronics invading their environment, and the bees couldn't find their way back to the hives; that's what causes hive abandonment, which is why we lost half our honey bees in North America.

Okay, so figure this out; fish levitate in a cold stream; they are not swimming up stream, they are levitating up stream... same for jumping up those water falls.

If we ever catch up with that polar orbit of the ancient satellite that continues to circle the earth. Wouldn't it be beyond wierd to discover it is built of rock? riding electromagnetic fields, just like the technology used to build the pyramids; those stones were lifted into place with levitation.

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If you want to get some context on what actually exists out there... caution: you will never believe in the big bang theory again... take 7 minutes out of your life to put your entire life into perspective; watch this video (no speaking):

So, let's calculate the dissipation of light from a star 10 billion light years away - by the time that wave of light hits the outer lens of the Hubbell telescope. Using 200 feet as the diameter of the lens, we get roughly 31,500 square feet of area ... that's the portion of the sphere of light that we are receiving into the telescope. Now, how big is the sphere of light... in square feet? It is 1.21 x 10 to the 54th power. So, dividing the sphere by the area of the lens, we get 1/40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the area of the sphere. IOW, the wave has dissipated, or weakened
40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times.

After weakening that much and crossing the light from a trillion other stars, does it sound plausible that the wave of light still exists? I doubt it. And even if it did make it to the telescope, can the Hubbell really perform enough magnification to see light that faint? I doubt it. So, how did Hubbell capture that image? Are those stars really 10 billion light years away? .... I doubt it.

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Time to think about this question of size and the extent of the universe. This is simple stuff, we get it wrong because we think too much. (I was dancing all night at Tracy's Tavern, I've got a wee bit of egg nog in my coffee, this morning, hey, humor me, I feel like I've got a handle on this one)

Okay, what poisoned our minds was this single idea: the building blocks of matter. What was that? All of a sudden, man starts to think that the smaller you go, you keep getting smaller components of the next level; atoms form molecules, protons and neutrons bond with electrons to form atoms, quirks and whatnot form the protons, silly string forms the quirks, neutrinos and whatnot... but it doesn't follow at all, it works to a point, and then it all changes. The point where it changes is electrons (see "particle physics in a pig's eye" on justoffal's side of this forum) ... there are no building blocks to electrons. And electrons are not building blocks to protons, the whole nature of the universe changes... changes from particles to energy, changes from particles to forces, which is all we are detecting, neutrinos are not particles from distance stars, they are electromagnetic energy that show up from distant stars, and they certainly are not found in mass, (constructing every proton in existence); we've come across one neutrino for every google plex of protons we've discovered. Just because neutrinos are smaller and exist, it doesn't follow that they are the building blocks of electrons or protons, that is completely not the case.

Now, let's think bigger. Stars get larger and larger. And by the time you are looking at the breadth of the universe (see "star size comparison" video in post above this one) there are enough stars in this very enormous space to think of them as the particles of a larger existence; and sci-fi loves to imagine what that existence is, but if it exists, we haven't detected it, as far as we know and as far as we understand, this universe is filled with stars, and that's where the story ends, beyond that, we have no real knowledge of a construct that might employ the known universe as an atom to another level. We don't know it isn't happening either... just saying.

What really gets in my crawl is the idea that the universe ends at some defined point, just because we can't see any further. 15 billion light years away in every direction. What a crock. And what exactly is that out there at 15 billion light years? walls? Flat earthers make more sense. We even detect background radiation levels, so we know there are more stars out there, the universe doesn't end, there are no walls to the universe, the universe doesn't exist in a box, or a ball... c'mon people, we are better than that.

Another goofy concept: the big bang. The whole universe started from a single point of light. this is beyond stupid... some very religious thinking... some kind of internal need to see a beginning... and a finite universe. Add to that nonsense the idea that the universe is going to all burn out some day... despite the fact that we know stars reform, we know this happens everywhere, galaxies die out and reform, we see new ones and old ones, but some idiot put it in our brains that this all started 15 billion years ago from a pinpoint in space and it will all die out one day; the finite universe defined by the strength of our telescopes... flat earthers are laughing at our stupidity, it really is that sad.

No beginning and no end. And no building blocks below the electron level. It all just exists and we are born into it ... and we pass away too fast to figure out how simple it really is. We are the creation. We have a beginning and an end, not the stars, not the universe, not space, not time, those things are infinite.

It is Sunday morning and I have a fresh pot of coffee, I got up at 2:30 AM to do an airport run, but I returned to sleep, but it doesn't mean I feel wonderful... I feel like I need another shower. I definitely need another cup of coffee, no way can I kick start the brain cells without it. hold on.... oh man, that helps. Alright, I wanted to build onto this post about the stars and our orientation to them. The old noggin' is just barely firing, not sure we can get up enough steam to turn the turbine, but I rely on the inspiration for energy. I'm babbling on because I want to make sure you realize this is original thought, I'm not copying anyone... what I'm doing is reading (watching videos mostly) and then conjecturing what the information age should be doing for our understanding of what we are and how we exist.

So, the idea of a gravitational radial is that it spins. So if you look at a whole galaxy, that is one big spinning gravitational radial. really big. You can think of the spiral arms of stars the same as the dust and rocks caught in the gravitational radial of the planet Saturn. The key to understanding this is to realize that the gravitational radial is there, whether any moons or stars are caught in it. It might very well turn out that the gravitational radial is what spins a planet. I'm guessing that's the case. So, let me ask you, what came first?... the mass or the gravitational radial? Does the energy create the mass, or does the mass create the energy? or both? It is another chicken and egg conundrum. At any rate, understand that the the sun's gravitational radial is spinning and the solar system is caught in it, our planet does not orbit the sun, it is locked into the sun's gravitational radial, capice? Same goes for the moon; it doesn't orbit the earth, it is locked into the earth's gravitational radial; that's why it never falters in its path. So, we have radials within radials within radials, wheels of gravity within wheels of gravity... what the heck? Oh wheel! anywho...

Alrighty then, if the earth is spinning, it is vibrating. And if the earth is vibrating, it is ringing like a bell. The ringing is not in our audible range, we are talking sound waves; something like 40 hertz? I'm guessing. Tesla detected it, but he knew where to look; that's the dig, knowing where to look, can you dig it? Okay, I watched this video by an engineer of sound technology - sound technology is huge these days, we've discovered sound waves that travel faster than light waves - and so this engineer was saying that the vibration and spin of the earth's iron nickel core produces electromagnetic waves. The big ball of nickel is going to behave as a transducer, and that's where we get our magnetosphere. What he did in the video was map out the sound patterns of the earth and then traced those lines onto the map and look at where they fell... and sure enough that's where the energy lines were, and sure enough, that's where all the old stonework was, and where the lines of vibration crossed, you had these energy spots, and sure enough that's where the ancients built their "temples" (or so we label them) ... and also, that's where the Templar Knights were building their cathedrals.

Okay, what everyone missed is the idea (and reality) that the earth's gravitational radial is cutting right through the center of that iron nickel core, so it could be the gravitational radial that is the source of the physical energy that is being transformed into electrical energy (electro-magnetic wave pattern; our magnetosphere). Here is where it gets fun, our brains operate at same frequencies as the frequencies set up by the earth's core trasnsforming the earth's gravitation into electro-magnetic waves. Our DNA responds to those same frequencies as well. Then there's another frequency set up by the tension between the earth's surface and the ionosphere ... and it is in the same range of frequency (about 10 hertz) ... and our DNA seems to be dialed into the frequency of tension in our atmosphere. Call that one the frequency of life. Electro-magnetic frequency, not how often it happens, rather, how and where it happens.

So, this is why I'm onboard to gravity and magnetism co-existing. Two forces that are almost impossible to distinguish any difference between the forces themselves, but they arise from different sources, even if there are natural transducers that transform between them... in the end, they seem like the same thing, but this time, I think the egg came first; the gravitational radial produced the magnetosphere. Not sure how that works for the sun, but it seems to be the case for the earth.

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Now it is Monday morning and boy do I need a coffee... same pot as yesterday, just toss it 2 minutes in the nuke-inator, what's not to like? Give us this day, our daily coffee and slice of apple pie, and forgive us our typos and misspelled words, and lead us not into trolls, but deliver us from those who attack others on the internet, and also watch over my son's grades as he enters his senior year - keep him focused on his studies, Lord. Amen.

Okay, so picture this... here's the earth, a very visible 8000 mile diameter ball spinning in space, and it is spinning on this invisible gravitational radial, which is a flat disc of force that goes out to eternity or until it is gobbled up by other forces, and the gravitational radial is spinning also. So, looking sideways at the earth, we've got the poles at top and bottom, with their "fountains of the deep" (ice caps) and the equator in the center. The gravitational radial is cutting right through the equator and both the radial and the earth are spinning in alignment with the equator. takes 24 hours per spin of the earth. Does the radial spin the same 28 1/2 days per rotation as the moon's "orbit"? don't know. But here's the thing: the moon is caught in that rotation, so it exists, whether it is a by-product of the earth's spin and the gravitational radial, or however the forces combine, but we get the result with the moon. Does the radial deflect asteroids that come close to the earth? I hope so.... seems like it should affect their trajectories, just as Saturn's radial should have affected NASA's fake probe that supposedly flew in and around and right through Saturn's radial without any adjustment to orbit... for how many years?

Back to our picture of the earth, out of the top and bottom poles springs the magnetosphere, which spray up exactly like fountains in a pond, except instead of landing square into the gravitational radial, they both curl back into it so that the magnetic field looks like a giant funnel ball coming out of the pole and curling back into the radial. That is the magnetosphere created by the gravitational radial spinning that iron nickel core. This is why all our satellites are on equatorial orbits, it is so much easier to go with the magnetic flow than to cross it twice each orbit of the earth... any other orbit has to do that. Back to the fake Saturn probe, look again at those fake pics it supposedly sent back; see the rings? What does that tell you? It tells you the probe was not in an equatorial orbit, otherwise you wouldn't get an angled view of the rings. It was all artist's renditions, everything was fake, but they didn't even fake it smartly, they didn't care, they figure you people for total idiots, afterall, they flew Apollo missions during solar maximum and told you that there was zero solar storms during all the missions and you believed that, so heck, they basically can lie their asses off with total impunity and you are not allowed to ask them how those lies are possible. Apollo 17 flew through 5 major solar storms and 4 minor solar storms and passed through the radiation bands (those funnel balls of magnetism) just two weeks after the largest solar storm of the 20th century.... so I added all that radiation up and it came to about 5000 REM for the mission, meanwhile the mission returned with 2 REM. But NASA covered that by lying their asses off and claiming their was zero solar storms and there was somehow no radiation caught in the radiation belts from the largest solar storm of the 20th century. A long time ago, I found a journal where long after the mission, a NASA engineer in solar studies wrote the son-of-a-bitch that lied to us and asked for the data on the solar storms that he told the world didn't happen. And the son-of-a-bitch gave out the magnetic measurements of each storm to his colleague in solar studies and laughed off his "mistake" of claiming the storms didn't happen. So, the storms happened, the 5000 REM took place, and Apollo 17 only flew through 2 REM, all of that is documented by NASA, but you still want to believe they went to the moon.

And you still want to believe that Cassinni flew a non-equatorial orbit around Saturn for a couple of decades and was never affected by the gravitational radial that is so powerful it holds how many rocks and moons and how much dust in its rings?

And all this lying is possible because - duh - we don't even know there is a gravitational radial there. Science can not tell you the truth because it exposes all of their lies, and those lies are sacred, they are our history, our culture, our pride as a nation, what happens to our over-inflated national ego if science coughs up all those lies? Americans need to believe they planted their flag on the moon and rovers on Mars. Never mind that it was really a flag in the desert in Nevada or a rover in the Arctic islands of Canada... c'mon, leave the guy behind the curtain alone, look how short the wizard is, don't bother the guy, you got something against short people?

Is it sinking in yet? The science, the money, the history... all lies. Fake news, fake attacks, fake shootings, we are fed nothing but lies. There's a sliver of truth sewn into a manure pile of lies hot and steaming off the press everyday. "Loose Change" documentary went and found the service record of the 2 jets that supposedly flew into the world trade centers and those jets flew another 8 and 9 years after 2001, with all their mntc checks and mechanical work; the service record just records the servicing of the jets. So the airlines went on servicing the jets for another 8 and 9 years after 2001; but you still believe the jets flew into the towers on 09/11/2001. Blatant lies. completely impossible to go on flying the jets for 8 and 9 years afterward if they flew into the towers, eh? Dontchathink? When politics crosses science, you find out that the politics are all lies. The atmosphere doesn't retain heat, but idiots preach global warming as if it does. What is warming? the atmosphere? how? the atmosphere doesn't retain heat, so how can it possibly be warming? warming means it is retaining heat. And it doesn't do that. Blatant stupid impossible lies, daily. Governments spit out politics, and politics... is Not Actually Science Anyway.

So I come over here to BD's blog and I write about reality. And reality sounds like Alice in wonderland to you people... meanwhile, the rest of the forum writes about politics as if that was reality. Who is really down the rabbit hole? me or all of you?

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Back to the gravitational radial of Saturn. Science tells us (not actually science, but NASA tells us) that the earth has the same mass and gravitational pull as Saturn. See, Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants, they don't have the iron nickel core the earth has, so they are big balls of gas, half planet, half unignited star. So they tell us. Of course, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all have rings. Why is that? yeah, so what, they have rings. I'm sorry, NASA, I can't hear you, why do they have rings? What are the rings? ............fvck-off............... I didn't catch that, but I think NASA is telling me to fvck-off.

Really, now, did your college education even so much as inform you that Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all have rings? Let alone explain what the rings are?

The rings are gravitational radials, the gravity that spins a planet and creates a magnetic field. Even the moon has a gravitational radial and a magnetic field; complete with funnel balls of magnetism at the top and bottom; every world has that.

every last one of them

Why didn't you get taught the simple truth of gravity and magnetism? My son's hardest course at UIC college of engineering was Physics II Magnetism... we teach a lot of damn hard and complicated stuff about magnetism, we teach just as much damn hard and complicated theory on gravity... why don't we teach the simple truth about the gravitational radial and the magnetosphere it produces? Or something as simple as, what spins a planet?

Why is ignorance of the masses mandatory? How can you give college education to the masses and yet keep them totally ignorant of how daily compound interest works? My 9th grade math teacher took 5 minutes one day and taught us how compound interest works - slipped it in fast - it wasn't in the curriculum. That's the only word from my education in math that I heard, and I got as far as integral calculus. My son didn't even hear that much and he finished all of it, all the math the Greeks bequeathed us, which ends with Linear Algebra. Do you know where we got all our physics? All of it. All our physics came from one guy - Archimedes - forget theoretical physics and all that crazy math that turns time into a dimension, real physics came from Archimedes.

So, large bodies of mass are spherical in shape and have gravitational radials that spin them. heavenly bodies. worlds. stars. black holes. Coolest thing out there: pulsars. Right now, there's a theory that we have a pulsar in the center of our galaxy. We can't actually see the center of our own galaxy; too many stars in the way, and then there's that snake of galactic dust also; funny how the serpent keeps showing up in heaven.

Still clinging to the Cassini hoax? ready? We actually do put up satellites in equatorial orbit around the earth; those are temporary by the way, they all fall down, but we achieve equatorial orbit around the earth, for a little while. But only equatorial orbit. why?... because there is a gravitational radial to contend with. Which planet has the largest gravitational radial? Obviously, Saturn. And since that is the gravity of a planet, obviously, Saturn has so much more gravity than earth. NASA has not even tried to cross the gravitational radial of the earth, but they had no problem doing it at Saturn... just close your eyes and believe.

Never mind that the radio transmissions were the equivalent of shooting an apple off your son's head with a bow and arrow; shooting from a street corner in Manhattan and your son standing on the far side of the moon.

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Speaking of "can't see the forest for the trees"
here is a video on geo-electric surveying.

you watch this incredibly boring video and they tell you absolutely nothing as if it was some kind of higher learning. At least they could have mentioned that the bloody equipment they were using works because the magnetosphere of the earth aligns with the sound patterns set up by the vibration of the earth, but nope, instead they butcher their explanations so badly that you basically have no idea what they are doing. You need to know that this is the goal of academia, they want to brag about all their knowledge while at the same time holding it close, as if it was worth paying a masters degree to learn.

So, you know what I get out of this video? I get that Ireland was covered by the polar ice cap up until 10,000 years ago and it took 3000-4000 years to get any kind of civilization going there. You see this everywhere that was originally the north pole/arctic circle. The original ice cap was twice as large as what we have today. When they dig into those lands, they all have no history, they date back 7000 years at the most. And they have no ancient high technology. They prove out the hunter-gatherer model of mankind, but that's because those lands were covered by the ice cap... don't hold your breath waiting for these morons to figure it out. They scoff at any idea that isn't their own.

Meanwhile, once you get as far south as the area where Tesla grew up, Bosnia/Croatia, you come across a double techno-pyramid that produced pyramid technology with concrete and then did it again over top of the first; all by design people; the builders knew what they were engineering; and if you go into the labyrinth of tunnels under the complex, your chromosomes get healed and fast, and when you heal the chromosomes, you heal anything and everything, DNA is what heals the body. Okay and the concrete is stronger than what the Romans had, it is so strong, scientists refused to admit it was concrete, they simply did not recognize the material, but it isn't stone, it is poured material. We still have no idea how to make the stuff. So, super high technology, working with the natural vibrations of the earth... the perfect place to get Tesla thinking about that stuff. And when did they build this - the largest pyramid on earth - it was preflood, like all the pyramids... the technology to build them vanished when the earth was struck by a small moon and broke up the Arctic ice cap which sent 400 additional feet of water into the giant pools we call oceans.

At this point, science has acknowledged what rogue scientists were shoving in their faces 40 years ago... that there was climate change, global warming, global flooding, 350-400 feet of rise in mean sea levels, and before it happened, there was higher levels of technology than what we possess today. But mankind is still coming out of the dark ages, and he still has a hangover from those ugly centuries. So scientists are still afraid to think for themselves, they are all sucking up to the hilariously inaccurate models laid down by British archaeologists in the 1800's. That's still their meal ticket, so they stick close to that realm of ignorance and never dare say anything intelligent... and they make videos like the one in this post.

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So, you know what I get out of this video? I get that Ireland was covered by the polar ice cap up until 10,000 years ago and it took 3000-4000 years to get any kind of civilization going there. You see this everywhere that was originally the north pole/arctic circle. The original ice cap was twice as large as what we have today. When they dig into those lands, they all have no history, they date back 7000 years at the most. And they have no ancient high technology. They prove out the hunter-gatherer model of mankind, but that's because those lands were covered by the ice cap... don't hold your breath waiting for these morons to figure it out. They scoff at any idea that isn't their own.
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...... But mankind is still coming out of the dark ages, and he still has a hangover from those ugly centuries. So scientists are still afraid to think for themselves, they are all sucking up to the hilariously inaccurate models laid down by British archaeologists in the 1800's. That's still their meal ticket, so they stick close to that realm of ignorance and never dare say anything intelligent......... ......

Okay, think about this; the British archaeologists grew up in a land where the hunter-gatherer model was exactly their history. So, naturally they drew up that model, it was the correct model for their history. But then, they went out into the world looking for that model, and you can only find something you are looking for; anything you find you are going to toss into your preconceived model... because that's exactly what you are doing; that's the scholarship of those times, and it was not bad scholarship, but it missed ancient high technology and attributed ancient high technology to primitives totally incapable of producing the machine cuts and the levitation and the engineering... you do realize that today's engineering employs levitation all the time, right? what about maglev trains?

Today's engineering knows all about gravitational radials and the magnetosphere produced by planetary transducers. This is old hat. But you don't see it in print, all we see each day in our "news" media is propaganda pretending to be science.... written by journalists summarizing scientific viewpoints for you. So you don't have to think for yourself, they do that for you. And they fill you with utter stupidity, which they claim as cutting edge science. Meanwhile, it seems before the flood, they knew way more than we know today. We are still scratching our heads over what they knew and did. We don't even know what those things are, let alone how to build them ourselves.

Mankind may easily have lived here for many many millions of years. And it is more than plausible that the planet originally spun in the same plane as the solar gravitational radial that we are caught in. It is almost inconceivable that this 23 degree angle of today's spin was not the product of being struck by a small moon 12,000 years ago... if the spin is produced by gravity, then the spin would have been in the same plane as the sun's gravitational radial.... absolutely, the same as our gravitational radial is perfectly aligned with the earth's spin, because it is the gravitational radial that produces the spin.

Now, science says that gravity produces the spin and that gravity comes in the form of a spinning gravitational radial, but it is up to you to put those two pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together, don't ask me why, it seems a kindergarten student could figure it out, but the world of scholarship just isn't ready to take that step.... yet. I'm always amazed how science comes out with these discoveries a year after I put the ideas into print; not saying it was me pointing the way for them, but I think a lot of people are doing the same thing I am doing; fitting the pieces together.

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Okay, here's the video referenced in the 5,500 Year Old Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets Reveal Stunning Revelationsvideo posted earlier in this thread.

It seems that every time I see this body of archaeologic work being presented, the way they do it is to say, "ancient cultures were more advanced..." or something like that. Actually, the cultures that contained astronomically advanced understanding were not themselves that advanced; what had happened there was the previous more advanced cultures bled through into those cultures. IOW, the advanced culture predating the flood was lost, but some of the knowledge was preserved - purposely so - in areas of the earth where they might survive the flood. It is also quite possible that the ancient temples that employed this advanced astronomical knowledge were built by people that stumbled upon the artifacts themselves. A high priest might have stumbled upon knowledge stowed away by Atlantins and built a deity out of it, or who knows, people who survived the flood might have incorporated ancient knowledge into their survivor groups, who is to say how the knowledge was passed on... but just because the knowledge popped back up after the flood, doesn't necessarily mean that those civilizations were as advanced as the knowledge they possessed.

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Okay, here's the video referenced in the 5,500 Year Old Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets Reveal Stunning Revelationsvideo posted earlier in this thread.

It seems that every time I see this body of archaeologic work being presented, the way they do it is to say, "ancient cultures were more advanced..." or something like that. Actually, the cultures that contained astronomically advanced understanding were not themselves that advanced; what had happened there was the previous more advanced cultures bled through into those cultures. IOW, the advanced culture predating the flood was lost, but some of the knowledge was preserved - purposely so - in areas of the earth where they might survive the flood. It is also quite possible that the ancient temples that employed this advanced astronomical knowledge were built by people that stumbled upon the artifacts themselves. A high priest might have stumbled upon knowledge stowed away by Atlantins and built a deity out of it, or who knows, people who survived the flood might have incorporated ancient knowledge into their survivor groups, who is to say how the knowledge was passed on... but just because the knowledge popped back up after the flood, doesn't necessarily mean that those civilizations were as advanced as the knowledge they possessed.

The Information Age - phooey! I'm watching this video and I am livid; here, I've been working out these celestial models in my brain - and noting them here in these threads - for what? almost 5 years now? And now I find out that it was all contained in the super ancient knowledge thousands of years ago. Where were the videos???? I guess all my theories act as a proof for the ancient models, so it isn't all that bad, but why the heck didn't I find this in a video 5 years ago? I've watched up to the 35 minute mark and they covered everything right up to the corkscrew path of the sun; it doesn't mention that the rotation of the stars, and the rotation of the planets, and the rotation of our moon are set in a gravitational radial, but they see the rotations; it is all in there. About the only thing missing is the understanding that the earth is a gyroscope... so it doesn't wobble. But they cover the math of the wobble being so problematic, they just miss why the concept doesn't work. I still have 10 minutes left to watch, maybe it is in there.

Something fishy going on here. This video follows all the steps I made in these threads and they posted the video May 4, 2016. It really looks like they read my posts and then went looking for the knowledge in the ancient scriptures .... granted the knowledge was there all along, but was anybody looking for it before I wrote this goofy journal in BD's blog? I wonder if I pointed the way for this video? I also posted these ideas on youtube and interacted with various members of the movement. By the way, this movement started with the ancient Greek historians, they were the first to go look at the ancient records in Egypt and study what was recorded there... that's how they came across Atlantis; it was recorded in the Egyptian temples, Egypt's advanced knowledge came from Atlantis, that's what the glyphs told of, and that stupid Aswan Dam destroyed some of those records. And of course, the knowledge is global, it was in the Vedas in India, and it is in the temples in Southeast Asia... and in Central and South America, everywhere that wasn't under an ice cap.

Okay, they say that roughly half of the stars are binary... but realize, that means they can see the binary relationship for half of them, that doesn't mean that the other half aren't also binary, or in some kind of rotational dance with stars nearby; what I am contending is this: gravity interplay between the stars neighboring each other is going to result in some type of dance, no star is an island, they all interact with each other; 99.9% of them are found in galaxies so you can be sure that every star in the gravity field of a galaxy is in a dance interacting with the gravity in that galaxy. Our star is right in the center of one arm of stars in a large developed galaxy, it is impossible for us not to have a binary twin, it might be we are in a dance with 3 or 4 or 5 stars, but we are certainly in a binary relationship. The precession of the equinox confirms that we are on that corkscrew path around the center of the galaxy.

How long did it take for mankind to figure out the 24,000 year cycle? You figure at least 3 cycles, right? This earth shows evidence of man living on it for at least a quarter million years, that much is indisputable, but the evidence points to a much longer span, I've come to believe it was for millions of years at least, possibly tens or even hundreds of millions of years. By the time the Noah figure was born, there would have been such great technology; knocking out an ark for a man of means would have been no problem. Noah didn't cut down all the trees, he ordered the wood from his local lumber yard, he was probably able to order the hull shaped wood, prefabricated for building your own ship... or ark. And the machinery to fasten it all together was higher tech than what we have today; would you please stop thinking that Noah cut down trees, sawed out the wood and then hammered together the ark with nails? please stop that. It is sooooooooooo stupid, just stop it.

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So, remember the bit about the tension frequency set up between the earth's surface and the ionosphere? globe within a globe. What was that frequency? 9.8something hertz? Anyway, if you wanted to set up that frequency for healing, how would you do it? I'll tell you how... you build this giant pyramid on a perfectly flat and perfectly square to the heavens surface... so first you build the surface, it has to be absolutely square opposite the curvature of the ionosphere, IOW looking straight up, 90 degrees square to the ionosphere in every direction. Not 89.99999 degrees square, perfectly 90 degrees square and yes it matters. This is a helluva lot of work so it must be achieving something important. Then you place this giant pyramid with interlocking giant cut blocks and make sure all four corners are identical folding in the energy to the center, where you place a transducer and shoot it up through a radical chamber of vibrational stone so that you get.... ready for it?... what does that get you? By now, you should know that answer, it gets you a laser; and since it is sound waves (vibration of the stones) being transformed into electromagnetic energy, it gets you an ELF wave laser, shooting absolutely straight up at the heavens, perfectly straight up, and the electromagnetic wave in the extra low frequency is going to bounce straight back down and hit your perfectly flat surface of stone and bounce straight back up, and the bouncing vibrating laser ELF wave is continuously being shot out of the top and it matches the frequency that is still vibrating from being in perfect alignment, and the end result is a harmonic string resonating to that 9.8something (7.8something?) frequency, a veritable tuning fork to the frequency of life, and it will tune every obelisk in Egypt, it would be so powerful.

That's how to set up that frequency for healing, meanwhile you could build pyramids in different shapes to acquire different frequencies for various other uses. Sound wave technology is so incredibly powerful; remember, Tesla said he could split the earth in two if he wanted to, but you thought he was kidding... he wasn't kidding. No, there is so many things you can do with sound. But the best thing to do with it is achieve the frequency set up by the "firmament inbetween the waters" to heal the chromosomes, because when you heal your DNA, you heal everything. The double pyramid where Tesla grew up, is set up solely to achieve that. We haven't figured out how it does it, but we do know it works, and it still works today. And the ancients built a labyrinth of tunnels filled with water underneath the pyramid, and I am guessing that water plays a part in making the pyramid work; so those tunnels are not nilly-willy, engineers who knew what they were doing designed their lay-out... and since the water is constantly vibrating to the frequency, you can just drink the water and heal your DNA, you do not need to go down into the tunnels. And guess what is for sale at that pyramid? the water from the tunnels.

So, these pyramids were wonderful monuments built to utilize sound wave technology for all kinds of purposes, the best being to heal human DNA. If you delve into the science, and learn about the chakras(link) it becomes apparent that places like the bent pyramid were used to heal the human spine; which of course, back pain is the biggest common denominator of the working man. And it seems the ancients did a lot of work, a lot of labor... and it made for long lifetimes. And this is just scratching the surface. Modern Industry employs lasers made of water and sound for all kinds of uses, anything we do today, they had it and more. The reason modern man could not figure out what the pyramids were for is because we were looking in the wrong direction; we kept looking for low tech applications, but these are not low tech devices, we need to think super high tech, that's the ticket to understanding the pyramids.

Do you feel lucky, Punk

Now, first, I want to lay claim to that same thought process by which Pi was first calculated. For, myself, as surely as Archimedes, solved it in my youth, using a similar but somewhat more complicated method. My construct had 6 parts; each the result of two factors multiplied and all six were added together; the formula gave the area of a circle without using Pi. It came out to the exact same answer as that derived using Pi for every size circle. This was 6th grade, and because it wasn't part of the lesson plan, it was lost. For anyone interested in recovering what I did there, I'm quite certain I sliced the circle into pie slices, calculated the triangles within the pie slices and then set up triangles that included the semi-sphere at the end of each slice. The formula was able to deduce a fraction of the triangle that the semi-sphere represented for the end triangles. By applying that fraction, it solved the area of the circle contained in each end slice, then gathered them all up. I have no idea how the triangle was built or what the fraction was it calculated, but it was based on very elementary concepts, so there was law there that practical mathematics has missed, and it is still missing today.

But now, this post isn't about that. But it is about the reasoning process in that and more. Believe with me, that the mathematics and reasoning of those who decide what it is they are looking at out there - in our galaxy - is very much the same process as that which the brain travels on the journey to discovery of how to build a formula that answers how to calculate a matter, be it volume or whatever. And it is this journey of reason and faith that I wish to examine closer.

Okay, so what is the latest rationale for planets that may contain life? First off, we are only looking at the Milky Way Galaxy, and then, we are using method to determine and detect these planets, because they are not "visible" ... they are so far away. I do believe the latest consensus, if such a thing exists, is that our galaxy has roughly 200 billion stars, and there is - quite roughly - an equal amount of planets. One in a thousand planets - hence, around 200 million - lie in the warmth zone of liquid water. This isn't saying that they have water, just that if they do, it should be in liquid form.

Now, here's where the journey of reason and faith comes into play. What is the reasonable guess, based on those numbers, for how much life is in our galaxy? Before you embark on that, using statistics, you have to first be sure that chromosomes are a natural byproduct of stellar wind and water; and I doubt that conclusion, because it has never been produced without first using existing chromosomes... which is cheating. If you can set up an experiment using existing chromosomes and reproduce those chromosomes in water, you still have not accomplished that with stellar wind, hence it has not proven that life is a naturally occurring byproduct of stellar wind and water. (much to the dismay of the New Age movement)

But then, life did happen here on earth. And let's take a moment and capture the infinite, in order to not stumble at the God factor, let's include God with life here. So, now we can say, life, in its totality, including the existence of God and his procreation, did happen here on earth. So, we can not rule out the creation of life from nothing, even if we have no evidence that it happens automatically from the stellar wind. IOW, there might be more to it, but it might still be happening, and something, by God, happened on this planet, so we know it is workable, or at least, that it worked once. So, the reason part of the journey says, if it worked once, it can work again, right?

This is where Christians go garbonzo nuts and imagine that God has a million other worlds in various fashion populating the galaxy and millions more beyond. But, WAIT a minute guys, there's no reason to imagine that life is automatic, it could easily be the case that life is a total unique experience that only happens when and where the Great Spirit wants it to happen. And this is where the faith part of the journey says, sorry, God is unique to our tiny planet (which is pretty big relative to our frame, BTW) he told us so in the scriptures. Actually, what he told us was, he knows of no other God, he didn't rule it out, he just said he hasn't had any contact. But he didn't tell us if he was up to his creation shananigans on other worlds or not, so that's another possibility. Indeed, the scriptures are very quiet about other worlds, they speak of the stars, not of planets revolving those stars. Some conclude that this is the result of man not knowing these matters in the times that the scriptures were written, but we don't really know that either, it seems the further you go back, the more man knew, so the negative faith journey doesn't get us to a conclusion either. Of course, we always have plenty of self-deemed authorities on God; these people know God so well, they know everything God is doing. Problem is, God himself said he wasn't telling us everything, only enough for us to live these tiny lives, so we only are given what we need for our short lives on earth, so even if the Bible thumpers deserve more credit than I will ever give them, God may still be propagating worlds that are none of our business.

Science is not capable of solving this riddle. The reason being, we can not go out there and gather empirical data, and we are too far away to gather it with our telescopes. It is, as the scriptures say it is, out of our reach. But we have one more resource in the human race that could give us a clue. We periodically get anointed saviors - messiahs - who seem to have extra concentrated doses of God resting upon them. And we get more of these than we realize. Maybe one of these messiahs could come forward and dig an answer from this God of life who definitely does inhabit one planet, anyway. I think this is our best bet to answering this riddle. Our lives are too short to solve the question, but God has been around a long, long time, or, I guess, like the stars, just always been there, somehow. Before this planet was formed, God was there. So, if we could get an answer from this God of our planet, it certainly should contain knowledge beyond our reach, eh?

I don't know that answer. I know another I could ask, but I have never heard him talk about it, but he's smarter than me, so he doesn't yap as much as I do. Maybe he knows. At any rate, I'm pretty sure science doesn't know, even if some THINK they know, they still don't know. I was never one to care either way, contact isn't happening in my lifetime, at least, not with an actual planet out there. (worm holes, shurm holes, the theory might be fine and dandy but no one has produced a working portal, other than saying it secretly exists, yeah, sure it does) Any contact down here is with terrestrial life, duh. And this is worth looking into, because we definitely have watchers watching us, so at least there's something real there, right in front of us. But I'm very skeptical when it comes to my fellow human's translations of messages supposedly from the watchers, any species that can produce car salesmen is not to be trusted.

What science wants us to do, is imagine that life, in our form, is a naturally occurring thing... all you need is the same elements, same temps, a world spinning in the right proportion to its mass, and voila, life pops up. Like it does here. And this is the crux of the matter; they are observing life on this planet and imagining - and looking - for that to happen on other worlds. I'm not of the opinion that life is itself some kind of automatic self creating substance. I'm a little more flexible than those who say life only comes from my God, period. Because maybe their God isn't as snobbish as his spokespeople tend to be. Maybe he (God) can't help himself and just creates life willy nilly every time he sees a world that feels right. Or maybe he felt like creating a bunch of worlds and building life on them and didn't tell his snobs on this planet. or maybe he built very different worlds with very different forms of life on them, maybe some star out there has some life form that needs a million degrees to stay alive. Who knows how precocious this God was when we weren't watching? Maybe science doesn't know exactly what to look for or where to look? And maybe science has its own snobs, because why doesn't NASA tell us about that ancient satellite in polar orbit that they have pictures of - fer crying out loud.

So then. At least, now, we have examined the entire picture. And that is what science is trying to do. Science is obsessed with creation, science can not accept that the stars were always out there, they know stars form, die, and reform, but they still keep looking for a beginning and an end. Here's where the scriptures might help. God has no beginning or end. So why not the stars also? and the planets? just dust in the solar wind. Pretty tough to nail down that dust. But the good thing about science is that it keeps searching, there is no absolute truth in science, it is a journey that never ends. So keep searching guys, and keep an open mind to faith, because you are going to need it on that journey.

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Well, I didn't expect you to read it, back when I typed it. I don't sit and worry about who is reading these posts... do you? Have you ever met any of the people posting on this forum? Did you know that all the major newsmedia outlets have bots combing through this place? There is a pretty good chance of your original ideas showing up in some MSM journalist's opinion, it happens all the time around here.

Do you feel lucky, Punk

Well, I didn't expect you to read it, back when I typed it. I don't sit and worry about who is reading these posts... do you? Have you ever met any of the people posting on this forum? Did you know that all the major newsmedia outlets have bots combing through this place? There is a pretty good chance of your original ideas showing up in some MSM journalist's opinion, it happens all the time around here.