I know there are moral issues about Wonga but I can't stand their current sponser Virgin, a name I used to associate lovingly with music and amazing holidays but now it just makes me think of all the spam mail they send through my letter box.

This season more than ever before, the accumulation of shit around the game has really turned me off. I'm just waiting for the straw to break the diving, money-grabbing, racist, foul-mouthed, cheating, mercenary camel's back. I questioned myself about whether to buy a season ticket this year as with a young family it's becoming increasingly difficult to attend games, but I convinced myself that the sport was, as a whole, worth the sacrifice of my money and more preciously, my time. I think I got it wrong. It's a shame as I've had a season ticket for 8 years consecutively, and 15 out of the last 20 - basically whenever I've lived close enough to warrant it. I watch Premier League games on tv and despair at the antics on the field and off. Not sure I want to be associated with the game or the fans any more really. Anyway, I'm sure I'll be back after a sabbatical.

Yea I can see that, I still love the game a huge amount myself, maybe i've not been watching long enough to have reached saturation point. It's a massive part of my life and probably eats up the majority of my spare time as well as a good chunk of my finances.

Granted I can't get over to see my team all that often (going over on the 20th \o/ cheers reddevil!unfortunately it's vs. stoke ) but I still look forard to every game and end up watching it most of the weekend, especially if the Mrs. is working. if I'm not watching it i'm either playing/training with my team or with my mates.

At the moment I can't imagine just cutting it out like that, would be such a big change for me but best of luck and hopefully it hooks you again soon for all the right reasons.

I don't really get the hate towards pay-day loan companies. Yeah, they're not the most classy of firms, but the idea of short-term lending and the penalties for not paying it back are made pretty clear. It's a bit unethical to offer loans to people if they don't know if they can pay it back (which seems to be the issue), but you would have thought that could be a consideration of the person taking out the loan in the first place.

Isn't that the point though? That they don't take any of that into consideration. They should, but don't. Nor do reputable banks, hence a lot of this sorry mess we find ourselves in, but that's another matter.

I did a bit of call centre work for the coop bank during the height of the lending boom. Considering their catch line is 'the ethical bank' 80 percent of loans sold by agents were expected to be with PPI. Failure to do so resulted in a motivational manager on your ass.

I dare say a lot of companies don't really consider (or care) who they're selling their products or services to, Wonga and other pay-day lenders come across worse because their industry doesn't have a particularly good reputation.

People are stupid, it's true. It doesn't mean it's all right to set up companies like Wonga or Crazy Dave's High-Interest Furniture Barn to exploit them. If your business model involves making poor people even poorer, you're a bit of a cunt.

And if you're a bit of a cunt and you make your money exploiting people who are some combination of poor/desperate/stupid then I don't approve of you.

There are a lot of payday loan companies, true. They're mostly dodgy, and Wonga are at the high end of the spectrum of interest charged. They do a lot of advertising though, so they make a great deal of money off people who don't shop around.

If it were my football team, being associated with Wonga would leave a sour taste.

I agree with thedaveeyres. I hate the fact that I have had to accept all the diving, doping, disloyalty, impatience of supporters etc as part and parcel of the game now. In a way it has only made me support my club even fiercely though seeing as we do things the right way and set a good example for other clubs to follow on the whole (not trolling, I genuinely believe that).

President_Weasel wrote:
People are stupid, it's true. It doesn't mean it's all right to set up companies like Wonga or Crazy Dave's High-Interest Furniture Barn to exploit them. If your business model involves making poor people even poorer, you're a bit of a cunt.

And if you're a bit of a cunt and you make your money exploiting people who are some combination of poor/desperate/stupid then I don't approve of you.

There are a lot of payday loan companies, true. They're mostly dodgy, and Wonga are at the high end of the spectrum of interest charged. They do a lot of advertising though, so they make a great deal of money off people who don't shop around.

If it were my football team, being associated with Wonga would leave a sour taste.