Interesting article. According to ESPN stats and information, we had no drops over the weekend. They define a drop as "passes the receiver should have caught with ordinary effort, and only when the receiver is 100 percent at fault."

I played WR in High School and my coaches always drilled into our heads that if the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it but how much blame do we want to put on the WR? None of our WRs are elite. Rice is the closest thing and he didn't have a drop in the endzone.

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Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Okaaay.

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Braylon Edwards also had an opportunity in the end zone. In his case, cornerback William Gay successfully walked the line between aggressive play and pass interference, disrupting Edwards just enough to prevent the receiver from extending comfortably for the ball. Was it a drop? Not really. Was it a play a top receiver should make most of the time? Probably

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cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

And by all of them, you mean Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst, and Trent Dilfer.

You wouldn't be making this statement if you had seen Kelly Stoffer or Dan McGwire try to complete a pass.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

And by all of them, you mean Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst, and Trent Dilfer.

You wouldn't be making this statement if you had seen Kelly Stoffer or Dan McGwire try to complete a pass.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Thanks! I needed a laugh this morning.

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cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Worst QB may be a bit of an exaggeration but I said in another post he was the QB on one of the worst offensive performances I've seen. Without the turnovers and long returns, we get shut out. He had a bad day which is unusual from him. Without Rice and Edwards making awesome catches all game, this game could've been even uglier.

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cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

This is going in my sig, so we can all make fun of you later.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

And by all of them, you mean Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst, and Trent Dilfer.

You wouldn't be making this statement if you had seen Kelly Stoffer or Dan McGwire try to complete a pass.

They were not very good. But at least every now and then they could stay in the pocket and make a throw. RW can't and will never be able to do this.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

This is going in my sig, so we can all make fun of you later.

Will you at least be man enough to leave it there when he gets benched?

I know it's not perfect, but based on passer rating he had the 171st worst single game performance for a Seahawks quarterback based on a minimum of 20 passing attempts. No matter how you slice it, it's a damn sight from "worst ever". Don't believe me? take a look for yourself:

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

This is going in my sig, so we can all make fun of you later.

Will you at least be man enough to leave it there when he gets benched?

Jokes are best done in moderation. Just throw it out there and leave it, that way people can overreact at will. If you keep on making the same joke over and over, or variations thereof, it'll lose much of its punch.

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amill87 wrote:Without the turnovers and long returns, we get shut out.

Such horrible logic. I have seen this pop up so much with the popularity of fantasy football. "Well, if you remove X players long TD run, he had a horrible day." The game of football does not work that way. The exact same thing could be said for AZ, without their good plays they could have been shutout. We weren't shutout, we were moments away from winning the game.

Either way, to think that this is the worst offensive performance from a QB is extremely myopic.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Will you at least be man enough to leave it there when he gets benched?

I think this is where your problem lies...You think that something said on the internet, has anything to do with being a man. If Wilson gets benched so be it. Your statement would still be ridiculous, even in that context.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

amill87 wrote:Without the turnovers and long returns, we get shut out.

Such horrible logic. I have seen this pop up so much with the popularity of fantasy football. "Well, if you remove X players long TD run, he had a horrible day." The game of football does not work that way. The exact same thing could be said for AZ, without their good plays they could have been shutout. We weren't shutout, we were moments away from winning the game.

Either way, to think that this is the worst offensive performance from a QB is extremely myopic.

I didn't say it was the worst performance from a QB. I said it was one of the worst offensive performances (whole offense). Arizona was able to score without a turnover or special teams. Our offense couldn't do anything. It's not fantasy logic. The offense as a whole (minus Lynch) was terrible. The o-line was a turnstile and Wilson was erratic. I do not think Wilson had the worst performance from a QB but he was the QB of an offense that was very bad.

In fact, I would argue sitting back and saying "we weren't shut out, our offense put up 16 points and almost won!" is more fantasy. That is purely looking at the stat sheet.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

If you make an OUTRAGEOUS statement like this expect a equal response. Do us all favor and never speak on the matter again.

Football is not my game because I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of believing a short QB will lead this team to the promise land? A couple years from now Wilson will be forgotten about and you will forget I said he would fail.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Football is not my game because I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of believing a short QB will lead this team to the promise land? A couple years from now Wilson will be forgotten about and you will forget I said he would fail.

Please remain a .Net Bench Warmer...

Will you admit you're wrong when Wilson hits a home run and has more goals than anyone else in power play situations on the court?

Cboom was leading the Charlie Whithurst chants last year. He now is cheering for this years backup. True story the internet told me so.. lol JK man don't get upset just fooling with ya...

That said we need better protection and you'll see Russell's leadership and playmaking take over. I watched the 22 coaches tape last night. Good start for the rookie he got better as the game went on. He showed toughness and confidence. He was battling hard at the end and was dissapointed we lost. I could see he really cares. Sidney was also upset.. i like that they want to be really good. it's gona take some time..

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

amill87 wrote:I didn't say it was the worst performance from a QB. I said it was one of the worst offensive performances (whole offense). Arizona was able to score without a turnover or special teams. Our offense couldn't do anything. It's not fantasy logic. The offense as a whole (minus Lynch) was terrible. The o-line was a turnstile and Wilson was erratic. I do not think Wilson had the worst performance from a QB but he was the QB of an offense that was very bad.

In fact, I would argue sitting back and saying "we weren't shut out, our offense put up 16 points and almost won!" is more fantasy. That is purely looking at the stat sheet.

For what it is worth, I wasn't speaking directly to you, just in general to the sentiment of the thread (and some posters therein). But replying to your post here, if you think that is one of the worst offensive performances you have ever seen, you haven't seen many Hawks games. Hell you can look to just last year to see a worse game.

Overall Seattle ran the ball well. They had moments in the passing game. Enough of an offensive to at least put 20 on the board. You want to take those 20 off the board because they come from special teams and turnovers, well guess what? That is the part of the plan. You cannot discount the fact that as a team, they had multiple shots to win the game. That is a far f-cking cry from being shut out. If you don't realize the difference between those two, there isn't much else to say to you. Go back and watch the Cleveland game last year, or the Pittsburgh game last year, or any number of the games in between 2006-2010. You are being intellectually dishonest, and trying to disguise it as real analysis.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

amill87 wrote:I didn't say it was the worst performance from a QB. I said it was one of the worst offensive performances (whole offense). Arizona was able to score without a turnover or special teams. Our offense couldn't do anything. It's not fantasy logic. The offense as a whole (minus Lynch) was terrible. The o-line was a turnstile and Wilson was erratic. I do not think Wilson had the worst performance from a QB but he was the QB of an offense that was very bad.

In fact, I would argue sitting back and saying "we weren't shut out, our offense put up 16 points and almost won!" is more fantasy. That is purely looking at the stat sheet.

For what it is worth, I wasn't speaking directly to you, just in general to the sentiment of the thread (and some posters therein). But replying to your post here, if you think that is one of the worst offensive performances you have ever seen, you haven't seen many Hawks games. Hell you can look to just last year to see a worse game.

Overall Seattle ran the ball well. They had moments in the passing game. Enough of an offensive to at least put 20 on the board. You want to take those 20 off the board because they come from special teams and turnovers, well guess what? That is the part of the plan. You cannot discount the fact that as a team, they had multiple shots to win the game. That is a far f-cking cry from being shut out. If you don't realize the difference between those two, there isn't much else to say to you. Go back and watch the Cleveland game last year, or the Pittsburgh game last year, or any number of the games in between 2006-2010. You are being intellectually dishonest, and trying to disguise it as real analysis.

How many points did the offense score without a short field? Stop staring at the stat sheet. The offense was terrible. If Lynch doesn't play, this is an ugly ugly game. Most of the catches the WR's had to make were pretty good catches on their part. When the WR's had chances to win the game, they just ran out of awesome catches to pull it off. I'm sorry I don't expect all of my WRs to make spectacular catches all game.

This message board is seriously going down hill. We have almost 3 pages of posts in this thread and most of them are "lol wut?" and telling someone they don't know football or haven't been a fan for a long time. It's a god damn joke. I feel like I'm reading the message board for a mmo most the time around here. If someone has a different opinion than you than they a) Don't know anything about football b) haven't been a fan very long and c) have a secret agenda they are trying to push. I'm seriously about this close to just giving up on this board, it's nothing like it once was.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Kelly Stouffer started 16 games for the Seahawks, and played in another 6 for a total of 22.

In those games completed 51.5 percent of his passes.He threw for 7 touchdowns.He threw 19 interceptions.He fumbled the ball 20 times.His CAREER quarterback ranking was 54.5. He threw for 2333 yards (even if you remove his six non-started games that would only be an average of 146 yards/game).

These facts here make your statement about Wilson the most ridiculous thing I can ever remember reading on this board.

As far as being "man enough" to keep that statement in his sig I would ask you the same thing. Are you "man enough" to make that statement your signature and leave it there for as long as Wilson is our starter? It'll be kind of like tattooing a criminal, even years down the road we'll still be able to look at your posts and remember this statement.

"There is no delay of game. We did not let the team know we were scratching our balls"

amill87 wrote:How many points did the offense score without a short field? Stop staring at the stat sheet. The offense was terrible. If Lynch doesn't play, this is an ugly ugly game. Most of the catches the WR's had to make were pretty good catches on their part. When the WR's had chances to win the game, they just ran out of awesome catches to pull it off. I'm sorry I don't expect all of my WRs to make spectacular catches all game.

This message board is seriously going down hill. We have almost 3 pages of posts in this thread and most of them are "lol wut?" and telling someone they don't know football or haven't been a fan for a long time. It's a god damn joke. I feel like I'm reading the message board for a mmo most the time around here. If someone has a different opinion than you than they a) Don't know anything about football b) haven't been a fan very long and c) have a secret agenda they are trying to push. I'm seriously about this close to just giving up on this board, it's nothing like it once was.

No one is saying this is the most explosive offense of all time. You are actively trying to discount the positives in this game, while emphasizing the negative. You say stop looking at the stat sheet, when you are the one that started this thread essentially over stats.

As for the message board going down hill, there is a very good reason for that, and it isn't because people are questioning your football knowledge. We can take this to the shack if you want my real opinion. When you say things like this is one of the worst offensive performances you have EVER seen, that is extremely hyperbolic. I get that it is an emotional thing, but then when questioned on it you continue to try to back it up with nothing more than slanted opinions.

How about this, list out in order where you think this game lies on the spectrum of horrible games, and then we can talk. Because in context, this is no where near the worst performance from just the Seahawks, let alone the NFL in general, and that statement just makes your opinion look uninformed.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Kelly Stouffer started 16 games for the Seahawks, and played in another 6 for a total of 22.

In those games completed 51.5 percent of his passes.He threw for 7 touchdowns.He threw 19 interceptions.He fumbled the ball 20 times.His CAREER quarterback ranking was 54.5. He threw for 2333 yards (even if you remove his six non-started games that would only be an average of 146 yards/game).

These facts here make your statement about Wilson the most ridiculous thing I can ever remember reading on this board.

As far as being "man enough" to keep that statement in his sig I would ask you the same thing. Are you "man enough" to make that statement your signature and leave it there for as long as Wilson is our starter? It'll be kind of like tattooing a criminal, even years down the road we'll still be able to look at your posts and remember this statement.

So, after watching all these 'hawks QBs...you must have been out of your mind watching Peyton Manning's first season....that guy ###king sucks. I guess Mike Vick is terrible too, I mean that dude doesn't stay in the pocket ever. Wish the NFL would screen for better players.

Vick does suck - how many years in this league and he still can't read defenses....Yes he has tremendous mobility, yes he has a cannon for an arm but if you cannot read defenses you hit your ceiling pretty quickly. I am one of the few that said that Vick would be a huge NFL success when he came out of W. Virginia. Most people said the mobility wouldn't work in the NFL but I had seen that arm of his sling it downfield and knew he could throw. I didn't know he was lazy

RW played as a rookie - I expect reading defenses to get better, I expect coordinators to start calling smarter plays - like many of us has said that includes slants, screens and dump-offs to RB's. Look at the rinkity-dink football that SD did on Monday basically "long handoffs" that forces the D to stay honest

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Kelly Stouffer started 16 games for the Seahawks, and played in another 6 for a total of 22.

In those games completed 51.5 percent of his passes.He threw for 7 touchdowns.He threw 19 interceptions.He fumbled the ball 20 times.His CAREER quarterback ranking was 54.5. He threw for 2333 yards (even if you remove his six non-started games that would only be an average of 146 yards/game).

These facts here make your statement about Wilson the most ridiculous thing I can ever remember reading on this board.

IMO, Stan Gelbaugh was worse than Stouffer.

1-8 in Games as a starter for Seattle48% completion rating7- TDs12 INTsOverall QB rating 54.1

Before this thread got blown up in the beginning I think the original post does go a long way to proving a point that there are lot of people on this board with RW glasses on that think the receivers let RW down, when in fact there was not a single real drop in the game, just a bunch of poorly placed balls.

If this is how this place looks after one loss, just imagine how insane it will be after the second.

Crymany!

My take is this: Wilson didn't make the best choices out there on Sunday, and the outcome of the game cannot firmly be placed on his shoulders alone. There were more than enough shortcomings to go around over 1/3 of the squad. Thankfully, it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

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mikeak wrote:Vick does suck - how many years in this league and he still can't read defenses....Yes he has tremendous mobility, yes he has a cannon for an arm but if you cannot read defenses you hit your ceiling pretty quickly. I am one of the few that said that Vick would be a huge NFL success when he came out of W. Virginia. Most people said the mobility wouldn't work in the NFL but I had seen that arm of his sling it downfield and knew he could throw. I didn't know he was lazy

I can't tell what my favorite part of this paragraph is:

The air of knowledge about Michael Vick followed by getting his college wrong (Hint: Virginia Tech)

or

The claim you were one of the few people to say Michael Vick would be a huge NFL success when he was a #1 overall pick.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

cboom wrote:Sando was spot on. In fact throughout the game the receivers made some great catches on bad throws. Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.