Not only would Hillary Clinton not have achieved this outcome, but she would never have gotten the meeting in the first place. Just saying.

Oh please, don't stoop to that level. Each and every president has been invited by the Kim regime, the grandfather, father and the current "leader". Each and every president of the USA has declined fo good reason. Trump went, a triumph or Trump. He can let his people show that he made the American president come over for a visit. Providing propaganda material for the next 10 years, quite an achievement. And nothing has been achieved, except Trump has a new BFF, I guess he needed one, after insulting everyone at the G6+1.

Not only would Hillary Clinton not have achieved this outcome, but she would never have gotten the meeting in the first place. Just saying.

Oh please, don't stoop to that level. Each and every president has been invited by the Kim regime, the grandfather, father and the current "leader". Each and every president of the USA has declined fo good reason. Trump went, a triumph or Trump. He can let his people show that he made the American president come over for a visit. Providing propaganda material for the next 10 years, quite an achievement. And nothing has been achieved, except Trump has a new BFF, I guess he needed one, after insulting everyone at the G6+1.

Wow, that's quite premature to come up with such a bold conclusion. Let's see what happens during next months, and years before you decide to pretend to be an expert on yet another topic you don't know much about?

I cant wait to hear the contents of the documents they signed. Hopefully a formal end of hostilities. CNN is also reporting that along with denuclearization, that NK has also agreed to the repatriation of the remains of US GIs that were POW/MIA after the Korean War.

And for people who think times today are bad, just remember that Josef Stalin had a nuclear arsenal.

When wasn't America great?

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Not only would Hillary Clinton not have achieved this outcome, but she would never have gotten the meeting in the first place. Just saying.

Oh please, don't stoop to that level. Each and every president has been invited by the Kim regime, the grandfather, father and the current "leader". Each and every president of the USA has declined for good reason. Trump went, a triumph or Trump. He can let his people show that he made the American president come over for a visit. Providing propaganda material for the next 10 years, quite an achievement. And nothing has been achieved, except Trump has a new BFF, I guess he needed one, after insulting everyone at the G6+1.

Wow, that's quite premature to come up with such a bold conclusion. Let's see what happens during next months, and years before you decide to pretend to be an expert on yet another topic you don't know much about?

Do you want to offer your opinion? Or do you just want to insult me? Let me put it in another way: one year from now, Trump is insulting Kim yet again and that will show nothing has been achieved, really. Want to put your money where your big mouth is? And place a little wager? A boddle of wine?

Oh please, don't stoop to that level. Each and every president has been invited by the Kim regime, the grandfather, father and the current "leader". Each and every president of the USA has declined for good reason. Trump went, a triumph or Trump. He can let his people show that he made the American president come over for a visit. Providing propaganda material for the next 10 years, quite an achievement. And nothing has been achieved, except Trump has a new BFF, I guess he needed one, after insulting everyone at the G6+1.

Wow, that's quite premature to come up with such a bold conclusion. Let's see what happens during next months, and years before you decide to pretend to be an expert on yet another topic you don't know much about?

Do you want to offer your opinion? Or do you just want to insult me? Let me put it in another way: one year from now, Trump is insulting Kim yet again and that will show nothing has been achieved, really. Want to put your money where your big mouth is? And place a little wager? A boddle of wine?

Sure. I disagree with your analysis. Let’s bet a bottle of wine on it. At least a 50$ wine

"Great Leader" theory EditUnlike Marxism–Leninism, which considers material forces to be the driving force of historical progress (known as historical materialism), Juche in North Korea considers human beings in general to be the driving force in history.[42] It is summarized as "the popular masses are placed in the center of everything, and the leader is the center of the masses".[42] Juche, North Korea's government states, is a "man-centered ideology" in which the "man is the master of everything and decides everything".[42] In contrast to Marxist–Leninist thought, in which people's decisions are inextricably linked to their relations to the means of production (a concept referred to as "relations of production"), in Juche thought man is independent and decides everything.[42] Just like Marxist–Leninist thought, Juche believes history is law-governed, but that it is only man who drives progress: "the popular masses are the drivers of history".[43] However, for the masses to be successful, they need a "Great Leader".[43] Marxism–Leninism argues that the popular masses will lead (on the basis of their relation to production); in North Korea, the role of a Great Leader should be essential for leadership.[44] This theory allegedly helped Kim Il-sung establish a unitary, one-man rule over North Korea.[44]

The theory turns the Great Leader into an absolutist, supreme leader.[45] The working class is not to think for themselves, but instead to think through the Great Leader.[45] The Great Leader is the "top brain" (i.e., "mastermind") of the working class, meaning that he is the only legitimate representative of the working class.[45] Class struggle can be realized only through the Great Leader, and difficult tasks in general and revolutionary changes in particular can be introduced only through, and by, the Great Leader.[45] Thus, in historical development, it is the Great Leader who is the leading force of the working class.[45] The Great Leader is also a flawless human being, who never commits mistakes, who is always benevolent, and who always rules for the masses.[46] The leader is incorruptible.[46] For the Great Leader system to function, a unitary ideological system has to be in place.[47] In North Korea, that unitary ideological system is known as the Ten Principles for a Monolithic Ideological System.[47]

What happens when the Democrats start threatening to destroy NK when they next take power?

They could, if they really wanted to, derail this and Trump completely. Let's see how this turns out. The document signed by both Leaders reads nicely but doesn't have too much fine detail, not that you'd expect it so soon:

I cant wait to hear the contents of the documents they signed. Hopefully a formal end of hostilities. CNN is also reporting that along with denuclearization, that NK has also agreed to the repatriation of the remains of US GIs that were POW/MIA after the Korean War.

And for people who think times today are bad, just remember that Josef Stalin had a nuclear arsenal.

Basically North Korea have given nothing concrete. While getting a huge amount of media coverage and a face to face meeting with the sitting POTUS which they've been after for decades.

The closest you get is an agreement to keep working towards nuclear disarmament from an agreement signed in 2008. No timeframe or checkpoints to hit. Just a promise to eventually get there at some undetermined point in the future.

So Kim got everything he was after and Trump got.... some pretty pictures I guess.

That is actually true. Trump himself said at the news confrence he is having that the war games would stop.

So tRump is telling Japan and South Korea and Philippines what to do? Since when is tRump emperor of them?

Seb, Trump stated that we are halting the joint exercises being conducted with South Korea to facilitate further talks for peace. Why would we need someone elses permission to pull OUR military out of the war games? Lose the hate for Trump and try some critical thinking...

The only ones that have an issue with us pursuing peace are those that dislike Trump and have no skin in the game.

That is actually true. Trump himself said at the news confrence he is having that the war games would stop.

So tRump is telling Japan and South Korea and Philippines what to do? Since when is tRump emperor of them?

Seb, Trump stated that we are halting the joint exercises being conducted with South Korea to facilitate further talks for peace. Why would we need someone elses permission to pull OUR military out of the war games? Lose the hate for Trump and try some critical thinking...

The only ones that have an issue with us pursuing peace are those that dislike Trump and have no skin in the game.

The same can be said to those on the right when in 2008 Obama said he would be open to meeting with North Korea and those on the right blasted him.

So tRump is telling Japan and South Korea and Philippines what to do? Since when is tRump emperor of them?

Do not question the judgement of our supreme leader. You shame your entire family in doing so.

But if Obama was doing this you wouldn't be able to keep your hand out of your panties

That could be true. Vilifying the dprk like a credible threat was a George W. maneuver. I'm pretty sure I never liked that guy. It'd be like how trumpists orgasm over dear leader undoing anything Obama.

Do not question the judgement of our supreme leader. You shame your entire family in doing so.

But if Obama was doing this you wouldn't be able to keep your hand out of your panties

That could be true. Vilifying the dprk like a credible threat was a George W. maneuver. I'm pretty sure I never liked that guy. It'd be like how trumpists orgasm over dear leader undoing anything Obama.

Question for Trump supporters. How can Kim Jong Un trust anything that Trump has signed up for? Even less that 48 hours before Trump had agreed to a joint statement with the other G7 nations, only to pull out of it hours later due to a perceived slight. And this summit, it was on, then off, then on again. How can one honestly believe that the other party in an agreement will follow it when the other party has shown they will pull out on a whim. There are plenty of examples throughout the life of Trump that show you cannot trust his word on anything.

What happens when the Democrats start threatening to destroy NK when they next take power?

They could, if they really wanted to, derail this and Trump completely. Let's see how this turns out. The document signed by both Leaders reads nicely but doesn't have too much fine detail, not that you'd expect it so soon:

When did a Democratic President threaten to destroy NK? But you are right, since Trump is at the helm, we have seen America pulling out of previously agreed international treaties. So what is the word of the US worth these days, if the next President can easily change it.

President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

So basically nothing has changed. I am skeptical, but we'll see. I love to be wrong at this one.

I will call this summit and the Trump diplomacy a great triumph as soon as international observers certify the DPRK has dismantled and shipped out or destroyed 98% of its nuclear infrastructure, and we haven't given up an ounce of support for our regional allies.

Question for Trump supporters. How can Kim Jong Un trust anything that Trump has signed up for? Even less that 48 hours before Trump had agreed to a joint statement with the other G7 nations, only to pull out of it hours later due to a perceived slight. And this summit, it was on, then off, then on again. How can one honestly believe that the other party in an agreement will follow it when the other party has shown they will pull out on a whim. There are plenty of examples throughout the life of Trump that show you cannot trust his word on anything.

Because what happens in the TV isn't really what is happening in real life. He didn't leave the meeting due to bring insulted it's all negotiations.

I'm not talking about the meeting. That was known beforehand. I'm talking about the joint statement that all the G7 leaders agreed to put out. The one that took a lot of back and forth to make a version that Trump was happy with. Only for him to withdraw his endorsement hours later with no warning. Trump has shown time and time again that his word is worthless.

And the history of the North Korean leadership has shown similar stuff.

Question for Trump supporters. How can Kim Jong Un trust anything that Trump has signed up for? Even less that 48 hours before Trump had agreed to a joint statement with the other G7 nations, only to pull out of it hours later due to a perceived slight. And this summit, it was on, then off, then on again. How can one honestly believe that the other party in an agreement will follow it when the other party has shown they will pull out on a whim. There are plenty of examples throughout the life of Trump that show you cannot trust his word on anything.

Because what happens in the TV isn't really what is happening in real life. He didn't leave the meeting due to bring insulted it's all negotiations.

The big winner here may be China. They get to keep their client state of NK intact, they get the USA and SK to end military maneuvers, 'war games' and limit spying from SK and the waters close to China. That in turn allows China to continued on its territorial expansion in the region using tiny islands they claim or have built up from sandbars so if mineral wealth, in particular oil there, as well as fishing rights, it means $$$'s for them.

Trump will get a political bounce from this, a distraction from his corruption, but once the details of the agreements come out, it will end up being a another phony show deal that looks good for him short term, feeds his moon sized ego, but worthless in the long run.

Kim wins in that he gets the respect he has long craved to be seen as a legit leader on the world stage, gets to keep his nukes for now but also gets SK to support denationalization and reduction of SK's military relationship with the USA.

SK slightly wins by continuing the fragile truce, maybe a slight reduction of the threats from NK, maybe allow reunification of families.

The USA news media - mainly the big 3 news channels, got a lot of attention and viewers as well as ad income by many watching their awful coverage that was mostly people fawning Trump and guessing what was going on. I didn't watch beyond the 2 minute initial handshake as both men make me ill.

Losers are the people of NK. They are still in their perverted jail of a country, still not getting enough food, basically slaves with few human rights.

The big winner here may be China. They get to keep their client state of NK intact, they get the USA and SK to end military maneuvers, 'war games' and limit spying from SK and the waters close to China. That in turn allows China to continued on its territorial expansion in the region using tiny islands they claim or have built up from sandbars so if mineral wealth, in particular oil there, as well as fishing rights, it means $$$'s for them.

For this reason, this will go nowhere.

The US will sabotage this exercise. It'll be blamed on Trump's unpredictability, but ultimately the nod will be given by the faceless men running foreign policy in the US.

I will call this summit and the Trump diplomacy a great triumph as soon as international observers certify the DPRK has dismantled and shipped out or destroyed 98% of its nuclear infrastructure, and we haven't given up an ounce of support for our regional allies.

Don´t forget that has to include inspections of any place, at any time, without prior notification by whomever whoever wants to send to inspect. After all, having to wait to inspect non-declared nuclear sides was the no-go with Iran.

I will call this summit and the Trump diplomacy a great triumph as soon as international observers certify the DPRK has dismantled and shipped out or destroyed 98% of its nuclear infrastructure, and we haven't given up an ounce of support for our regional allies.

Too late. We already threw South Korea under the bus by deciding to suspend joint exercises. But at least we got something from North Korea in exchange, so...oh who the hell am I kidding, we just gave that away too.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/12/full-text-donald-trump-kim-jong-un-statementBasically North Korea have given nothing concrete. While getting a huge amount of media coverage and a face to face meeting with the sitting POTUS which they've been after for decades.The closest you get is an agreement to keep working towards nuclear disarmament from an agreement signed in 2008. No timeframe or checkpoints to hit. Just a promise to eventually get there at some undetermined point in the future.So Kim got everything he was after and Trump got.... some pretty pictures I guess.Kim 10 - Trump 0

Was Trump your President in 2008? It appears he went to Singapore to say, "You see all the agreements I have backed out of, but we won't back out of this old agreement... not right away, anyway."

tommy1808 wrote:

Big Win for North Korea.Trump totally gave in to Kims demand to stop the US/SK Maneuvers...... Make North Korea great again!best regardsThomas

That is actually true. Trump himself said at the news confrence he is having that the war games would stop.

So tRump is telling Japan and South Korea and Philippines what to do? Since when is tRump emperor of them?

Seb, Trump stated that we are halting the joint exercises being conducted with South Korea to facilitate further talks for peace. Why would we need someone elses permission to pull OUR military out of the war games? Lose the hate for Trump and try some critical thinking...

The only ones that have an issue with us pursuing peace are those that dislike Trump and have no skin in the game.

The exercise isn't even planned until next year.

Everything is chits and giggles until you get old enough to giggle and then you chit.

I will call this summit and the Trump diplomacy a great triumph as soon as international observers certify the DPRK has dismantled and shipped out or destroyed 98% of its nuclear infrastructure, and we haven't given up an ounce of support for our regional allies.