speaking of things from the 90s, my memory was recently jogged when my wife brought home these for the kids school lunches...

Needless to say, they got one day worth of these snacks, and my wife had to purchase another box for them. They now have their own cabinet dedicated to "Kids School Snack" that I am banned from opening.

I'm sure they are the same. They were very popular when I used to take my packed lunch to elementary school and I loved the shit out of those things. Ice cold milk and Teddy Grahams = Great movie snack.

I'm sure they are the same. They were very popular when I used to take my packed lunch to elementary school and I loved the shit out of those things. Ice cold milk and Teddy Grahams = Great movie snack.

I think you'll find SLTS would have cost far too much for compilation albums. As do most bands that had more mainstream success like Pearl Jam, Alanis, RHCP etc.

Most of this is true, but let me just explain something that I've said tons of times.

Rap is all about the lyrics, in fact, I favour the fucking hardcore lyrical rappers like Blackstar, Mos Def, all the others you stated above.

And am I missing something? Since when did I call him a trendsetter?! Like I said ages ago, he's in it more the money, no love for the music at all. But he actually goes hard in Stay Schemin, but the raps in that track are pretty average. I rarely listen to the fake shit.

And no, I don't just listen to the popular fellas. I've said this SEVERAL fucking times: the ones who have less publicity are te ones who bust there asses, and they are lyrically better than those pussy ass rappers like Lil Wayne.

In fact, if I showed you my iPod music right now. You would hardly witness any popular tracks. I'm not the bitch who has Drake, Lil Wayne as a favourite. I'm a Rakim guy, Kendrick Lamar guy, Immortal Technique guy. I listen to the real shit all the time. I'm not the fella who goes ahead and listens to the drugs, money and "hoes" guy.

Shaz, the comment wasn't directed as you stating that Drake is the all be it all, but rather than Drake is indeed trash and not unique in anyway. Anyone who counts this statement as false has yet to experience the likes of Grynch, Aesop, Hieroglyphics, or many of the other underground specialists that can attest to being worthy of being called a lyricist. Drake is not one. He writes something and thanks to his activity with social media and backing on twitter, facebook, myspace, mIRC, or what the fuck ever, his value has been overly inflated ENTIRELY too far. Honestly, if you want to listen to things with actual "lyrics" that tell stories, listen to Tribe, Big Daddy Kane, the original Outkast, NAS, Slick Rick, (early)JayZ... Hell, Nappy Roots are better story-tellers.

As I said, the comment wasn't directed to the fact that you think Drake is the best, but rather than Drake shouldn't have his name mentioned in the category of "Rap" but rather "Pop" for the fact that he is a bubble that will burst shortly. And as for the Lil Wayne being the "shits", you should listen to 10,000 bars and tell me that the kid isn't a story-teller. He's ventured into the Pop genre after spending a DECADE in the actual "Rap game"... Drake has been here for how long now?

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

I guess the definition of "flow" might differ in this case. When we'd "flow" here in Texas it means to spit lyrics to whichever instrumental track is on. You adapt the pacing to the beat that is going in the back ground, but you're universally accepted or discounted based on the lyrics you spit, not the pacing of your content. Since it is called "flowing" I naturally assume you are basing this off of lyrical content. Thank you for my new found education akkie

As to the Drake "pop" comment, it's geared towards the aspect of being a quick rise to the top based on the cult following he has by those who are outside the die-hard fan base that is what carried artists like JayZ and Lil' Wayne from the Rap culture into the mainstream. This cult following was not adapted by those who are loyalist to Rap music, but rather tend to be those who are more geared towards listening to "Real Slim Shady" in the club rather than "Fight Music" from D-12, and base their opinions on rap music from small samples learned by what plays on the radio. The "Underground rap" is where you tend to hear people who are actually story telling rather than talking about "Blunts, Bitches, and Benz" so that where I build my basis from. As for Hieroglyphics, it's not that they are the best lyricists in the world, it's that they are a unique group that meshes very well together in relation to each member. Think Original Wu Tang and how they played off each others strengths.

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

Originally Posted by Darkside Ron Garvin

I guess the definition of "flow" might differ in this case. When we'd "flow" here in Texas it means to spit lyrics to whichever instrumental track is on. You adapt the pacing to the beat that is going in the back ground, but you're universally accepted or discounted based on the lyrics you spit, not the pacing of your content. Since it is called "flowing" I naturally assume you are basing this off of lyrical content. Thank you for my new found education akkie

As to the Drake "pop" comment, it's geared towards the aspect of being a quick rise to the top based on the cult following he has by those who are outside the die-hard fan base that is what carried artists like JayZ and Lil' Wayne from the Rap culture into the mainstream. This cult following was not adapted by those who are loyalist to Rap music, but rather tend to be those who are more geared towards listening to "Real Slim Shady" in the club rather than "Fight Music" from D-12, and base their opinions on rap music from small samples learned by what plays on the radio. The "Underground rap" is where you tend to hear people who are actually story telling rather than talking about "Blunts, Bitches, and Benz" so that where I build my basis from. As for Hieroglyphics, it's not that they are the best lyricists in the world, it's that they are a unique group that meshes very well together in relation to each member. Think Original Wu Tang and how they played off each others strengths.

Okay, quick question for you both then. Who in your opinion is currently the best rapper of all time?

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