Originally Posted by DeweyI think Senator Cruz confirmed it was on it's way to passage and, thanks to he and a couple of others, they stopped it in its tracks. At least that's what he said in his town hall.

That's exactly what happened, that's why I sent him to Washington, too bad your blue wall doesn’t work when it's our country at stake. It made it through the senate and I remember CRUZ and Schumer on the SAME Sunday news show. Schumer began steaming and stewing over Cruz at that point and it continued with him bad mouthing Cruz at his social hour circuit. The establishment RINOs and dems are the reason why Cruz is perceived to not get along with his peers. Phuck his peers__________________"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me"

FTR, Cruz cites others for crediting him. He's not shy about letting everyone know about it and politicians are susceptible to exaggeration/embellishment.

2/3 of GOP Senators voted against the bill and I expect at least that large of a majority of GOP Reps were against it at that time. If it ever had any chance of passing in the House, it would have been Boehner violating the Hastert Rule right after it passed the Senate. However, that didn't happen - probably because the GOP House was leery of anything passed by Senate Dems and the vote was in a state of flux. I doubt it would have passed after the vote solidified.

I believe that's a given, other than maybe a Government shutdown. In any event, I read his statement this way. If the bill had the votes to pass, there would be no vote. If the bill were going down to defeat, there would have been a vote.

Originally Posted by DeweyHe had "no intention" of violating the Hastert rule.

I believe that's a given, other than maybe a Government shutdown. In any event, I read his statement this way. If the bill had the votes to pass, there would be no vote. If the bill were going down to defeat, there would have been a vote.

Good luck guys - even in the face of irrefutable evidence, he will tell you what the quote really means.

There was only one reason for the Speaker to take all the heat for not a holding a vote on the gang of eight bill. I guarantee you the House GOP members were not the least bit embarrassed to vote no on the Senate immigration bill. Some were probably chomping at the bit to send that bill to defeat. Instead, the Speaker was left to carry all the weight for the absence of a vote. I trust most people can figure out why that is.

Originally Posted by DeweyThere was only one reason for the Speaker to take all the heat for not a holding a vote on the gang of eight bill. I guarantee you the House GOP members were not the least bit embarrassed to vote no on the Senate immigration bill. Some were probably chomping at the bit to send that bill to defeat. Instead, the Speaker was left to carry all the weight for the absence of a vote. I trust most people can figure out why that is.

Tyler - give it up. There have been plenty of times he's been wrong and he's never had the character to own up to it.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

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