And for a fun historical perspective: a good AM payout would be a picked-for-you stack of 4-157 gram X-Clones that everyone would scamper around after the awards ceremony to try and trade for something they may actually use. Not that a 157 X-Clone was not sweet.

Good luck in your endeavor and keep up the good shooting!!

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And for a fun historical perspective: a good AM payout would be a picked-for-you stack of 4-157 gram X-Clones that everyone would scamper around after the awards ceremony to try and trade for something they may actually use. Not that a 157 X-Clone was not sweet.

Ahh yes, the good old days!

A sad postscript: I received the aforementioned "picked-for-you stack of discs" as my prize at an A-tier NW tourney in 2011. I was shocked to say the least!

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By the by... I don't think you should hate online forums more for this thread... but maybe adjust your approach to how you contribute and take some responsibility for a couple of the things you said. Not a huge deal.... and certainly not what I think you wanted to start when you opened this thread... but it's there. I don't think anyone flipped out on you... and I think you have been given some honest responses - whether wanted or not. Take what you will and leave the rest behind. It's what we all do, anyway.

Peace.

ďI believe I can hit 18 greens, hit every fairway, you know ó Vision 54, which means you birdie every hole, thatís in the back of my mind. I want to putt better, chip better. That day when I hit 18 greens and one putt, Iíll know Iím a complete golfer. Will that ever happen? Iím not sure, but itís possible. The 54 vision is always in the back of my mind.Ē~Annika SŲrenstam

By the by... I don't think you should hate online forums more for this thread... but maybe adjust your approach to how you contribute and take some responsibility for a couple of the things you said. Not a huge deal.... and certainly not what I think you wanted to start when you opened this thread... but it's there. I don't think anyone flipped out on you... and I think you have been given some honest responses - whether wanted or not. Take what you will and leave the rest behind. It's what we all do, anyway.

Peace.

I'd say that this is a perfect example of how crappy online forums and the trolls that love them can be.

This statement is a prime example. This statement is NOT saying "I am a decent Pro" OR "I am a great amateur" and yet all of the people giving him crap on this thread read it EXACTLY that way. This is a totally valid question and yet he caught shit for it.

After a 4 year break since I've been serious about playing competitive disc golf, I'm back in it. With that said, I think I've proven myself as a good amateur golfer.

He also was called out for this statement. What here is incorrect or false? In what fucked up world does "good amateur golfer" equal "taking my talents to South Beach"? I know lots of good amateur golfers, I don't know many who can shoot 3 rounds above 1000 in a large field of PDGA competition.

But what the hell, who am I to stop a good character assassination on these here intertubes...so carry on as you were!

Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
Iíll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.

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I'd say that this is a perfect example of how crappy online forums and the trolls that love them can be.

This statement is a prime example. This statement is NOT saying "I am a decent Pro" OR "I am a great amateur" and yet all of the people giving him crap on this thread read it EXACTLY that way. This is a totally valid question and yet he caught shit for it.

He also was called out for this statement. What here is incorrect or false? In what fucked up world does "good amateur golfer" equal "taking my talents to South Beach"? I know lots of good amateur golfers, I don't know many who can shoot 3 rounds above 1000 in a large field of PDGA competition.

But what the hell, who am I to stop a good character assassination on these here intertubes...so carry on as you were!

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yeah, and rolling with a handle about the weight of the discs you throw is the height of douche so you would know...

Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
Iíll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.

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At what point are personal attacks justified? Can I personally attack if I have been personally attacked or would that be the "two wrongs don't make a right but definitely make a hypocrite" route?

I like and respect Michael Grummert and I know a lot of other people do, as well.

Regardless of intent, several of us read the OP as douchey. Well... the OP and several comments beyond that. "Measly" comes to mind. Of course, I considered the source of the OP and was not at all surprised... hence the South Beach comment. I stand by it and wish you and your entourage all of the luck in the world... on the sandy shores of some other beach.

ďI believe I can hit 18 greens, hit every fairway, you know ó Vision 54, which means you birdie every hole, thatís in the back of my mind. I want to putt better, chip better. That day when I hit 18 greens and one putt, Iíll know Iím a complete golfer. Will that ever happen? Iím not sure, but itís possible. The 54 vision is always in the back of my mind.Ē~Annika SŲrenstam