From edgar at openmail.cc Sun Oct 1 05:37:24 2017
From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 04:37:24 +0000
Subject: [Assist] linux-libre 4.13.3 breaks intel graphics
Message-ID: <92ffb1cf357a0e853714fd135b03c77d@openmail.cc>
Hello,
I just discovered that upgrading from 4.12 to 4.13, breaks my video.
Intel 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics [8086:27ae].
I used these to solve it (downgrade back to 4.12; trying to fix through
GRUB does not help):
Initial definition of the problem
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/842
i915
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_mode_setting
Downgrade
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=227469
How to downgrade (modify grub?)
https://superuser.com/questions/90400/arch-linux-how-do-i-downgrade-my-kernel
Fortunately, I had a backup in USB.
Thanks.
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From bill-auger at peers.community Thu Oct 5 18:13:15 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:13:15 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Problems during the installation of Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <1a1cc3b1-61ec-6d80-cb11-601a9e24b771@gmx.ch>
References: <1a1cc3b1-61ec-6d80-cb11-601a9e24b771@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <84cd35fd-1beb-6220-b0b1-ddd589a890a2@peers.community>
Rick -
you did not mention which ISO you downloaded - please let us know if you
had this problem with either of these ISOs:
* parabola-2017.05.28-dual.iso
* talkingparabola-2017.05.28-dual.iso
i suspect that you downloaded the 'parabola-mate-2016.11.03-dual.iso' -
there is a small problem with that one that you may be able to fix with
the commands on this wiki page:
* https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Keyring
you could also try one of the latest preview releases
* https://wiki.parabola.nu/Get_Parabola#Preview.2FBeta_Releases
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info Thu Oct 5 18:14:39 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Assist] Problems during the installation of Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <1a1cc3b1-61ec-6d80-cb11-601a9e24b771@gmx.ch>
References: <1a1cc3b1-61ec-6d80-cb11-601a9e24b771@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <1507223679.3952.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Rick wrote :
> Unfortunately, after entering the command "pacstrap /mnt base
> base-devel" and downloading lots of packages the procedure breaks off.
>
> The reason was: "signature from Anatol Pomorov is unknown trust,
> invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)"
>
try to refresh the GPG keyring before using pacstrap:
# pacman-key --refresh-keys
more info:
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide#Verification_of_package_signatures
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GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
From walker.justinw at gmail.com Fri Oct 6 02:39:38 2017
From: walker.justinw at gmail.com (Justin Walker)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
Message-ID: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
Hello,
When I try to open emacs it says that there is an error:
emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libLLVM-3.9.so: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
Checking pacman, llvm is neither a dependency or optional dependency.
Also that's just weird. Did emacs get built by llvm for this last
package update? What's going on?
Thanks,
Justin
From bill-auger at peers.community Fri Oct 6 02:47:47 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 21:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
In-Reply-To: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
References: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 10/05/2017 09:39 PM, Justin Walker wrote:
> emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libLLVM-3.9.so: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
Justin -
did you run sudo pacman -Syu first? this issue was reported last week
but it should be fixed now
https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1478
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From walker.justinw at gmail.com Fri Oct 6 04:14:07 2017
From: walker.justinw at gmail.com (Justin Walker)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 22:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
In-Reply-To:
References: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
Yes, I updated two days ago and again tonight. I have another system
which runs arch not parabola, and it doesn't have this issue. Neither
has llvm39-libs installed.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 21:47:47 -0400, bill-auger
wrote :
> On 10/05/2017 09:39 PM, Justin Walker wrote:
> > emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libLLVM-3.9.so: cannot
> > open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Justin -
>
> did you run sudo pacman -Syu first? this issue was reported last week
> but it should be fixed now
>
> https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1478
>
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From mve1 at runbox.com Fri Oct 6 04:46:40 2017
From: mve1 at runbox.com (Marcel)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 10:46:40 +0700
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
In-Reply-To: <20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
References: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
<20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ef5e006-524f-ecdc-adc2-7534b317b75f@runbox.com>
https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1478
On 10/06/2017 10:14 AM, Justin Walker wrote:
> Yes, I updated two days ago and again tonight. I have another system
> which runs arch not parabola, and it doesn't have this issue. Neither
> has llvm39-libs installed.
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 21:47:47 -0400, bill-auger
> wrote :
>
>> On 10/05/2017 09:39 PM, Justin Walker wrote:
>>> emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libLLVM-3.9.so: cannot
>>> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>
>> Justin -
>>
>> did you run sudo pacman -Syu first? this issue was reported last week
>> but it should be fixed now
>>
>> https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1478
>>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Assist mailing list
> Assist at lists.parabola.nu
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From bill-auger at peers.community Fri Oct 6 15:13:07 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 10:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
In-Reply-To: <20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
References: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
<20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bf0ccfd-5713-9b28-71e2-a04cbb1a90f2@peers.community>
ok i just wanted to be sure of that - someone else posted a new issue
about that same library yesterday so they must be related
https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1490
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From mcgregor at mailoo.org Sat Oct 7 06:52:53 2017
From: mcgregor at mailoo.org (mcgregor at mailoo.org)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 07:52:53 +0200
Subject: [Assist] emacs depends on llvm
In-Reply-To: <8bf0ccfd-5713-9b28-71e2-a04cbb1a90f2@peers.community>
References: <20171005203938.724414e4@gmail.com>
<20171005221346.18d9d9e9@gmail.com>
<8bf0ccfd-5713-9b28-71e2-a04cbb1a90f2@peers.community>
Message-ID: <87zi93ld1m.fsf@MiddleEarth.home>
Hi,
You can try installing ocl-icd. Pacman might warn about conflicts, and
the conflicting packages should be removed, but everything should still
work afterwards.
ref: https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1478
bill-auger writes:
> ok i just wanted to be sure of that - someone else posted a new issue
> about that same library yesterday so they must be related
>
> https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1490
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kete at twinoaks.org Sat Oct 7 20:47:41 2017
From: kete at twinoaks.org (Kete)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 15:47:41 -0400
Subject: [Assist] mount quit working after upgrade
Message-ID:
Hello,
After upgrading, fstab quit automounting cifs shares. When I ran
'mount -a', it would say, "mount error(112): Host is down". Thunar can
mount the shares, but I want fstab to automount them. One of the
shares has started mounting after I tried autofs, but I have
uninstalled autofs; and the share is still mounting. Some of the
packages upgraded include gvfs, gvfs-smb, linux-libre,
linux-libre-firmware, libutil-linux, glib2, device-mapper, and
util-linux. I have been using the arch wiki to troubleshoot.
From kete at twinoaks.org Sat Oct 7 21:46:03 2017
From: kete at twinoaks.org (Kete)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 16:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Assist] mount quit working after upgrade
Message-ID:
The reason why one share mounted was because I made a systemd unit for
it, and the other shares mounted after I made systemd units for them.
From Simon.Graetz at gmx.de Tue Oct 10 10:01:45 2017
From: Simon.Graetz at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Simon_Gr=C3=A4tz=22?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 11:01:45 +0200
Subject: [Assist] 32bit support
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From megver83 at hyperbola.info Tue Oct 10 21:33:59 2017
From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:33:59 -0300
Subject: [Assist] 32bit support
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <89d40a3c-0144-87e4-5fe5-6a458939fb6b@hyperbola.info>
El 10/10/17 a las 06:01, "Simon Gr?tz" escribi?:
> New to parabola from Arch. One of my two maschines is a 32bit.?
> Will parabola continue with 32bit support while Arch dropped it?
> Regards Simon
>
>
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We already discuss this months ago. Yes, Parabola will continue i686
support.
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From somenxavier at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 15:07:24 2017
From: somenxavier at gmail.com (Xavier)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:07:24 +0200
Subject: [Assist] 32bit support
In-Reply-To: <89d40a3c-0144-87e4-5fe5-6a458939fb6b@hyperbola.info>
References:
<89d40a3c-0144-87e4-5fe5-6a458939fb6b@hyperbola.info>
Message-ID:
Great to hear that
2017-10-10 22:33 GMT+02:00 Megver83 :
> El 10/10/17 a las 06:01, "Simon Gr?tz" escribi?:
> > New to parabola from Arch. One of my two maschines is a 32bit.
> > Will parabola continue with 32bit support while Arch dropped it?
> > Regards Simon
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Assist mailing list
> > Assist at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
> >
> We already discuss this months ago. Yes, Parabola will continue i686
> support.
>
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From bill-auger at peers.community Thu Oct 12 01:00:11 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Assist] feedback for Parabola beta ISOs
In-Reply-To: <3fd2ffb7-a938-ebde-52c3-3ece1a3293bc@hyperbola.info>
References: <3fd2ffb7-a938-ebde-52c3-3ece1a3293bc@hyperbola.info>
Message-ID:
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Subject: [Dev] feedback for Parabola beta ISOs
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:39:06 -0300
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Organization: Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre project
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Hi all, I've written a new:
https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-openrc-and-lxde-isos/
I'd like that users give us (bill-auger and me) feedback of these ISOs,
as we have discovered some issues, but we want to improve them as much
as we can (should not take us more than a moth).
Download:
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Get_Parabola#Preview.2FBeta_Releases
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From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Sun Oct 15 13:08:27 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:08:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
Message-ID:
Hello,
I want to find and buy a "libre" wireless usb stick but I can not find it.
According to the following FAQ page:
https://wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ_(Fran%C3%A7ais)#Pourquoi_l.E2.80.99internet_sans_fil_ne_fonctionne_pas_.3F
I need to have one of the RTL818x chip, one of the following products (if I choose an usb stick):
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Rtl8187#Supported_.28probably.29_devices
But after doing some researches I could not find any available model that I can buy.
Do you have any idea which 'libre' model is working (that we can buy)?
Thank you in advance for your kind help of freedom,
ejaj
From edgar at openmail.cc Sun Oct 15 03:31:43 2017
From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:31:43 +0000
Subject: [Assist] How to become a package maintainer?
Message-ID: <4dd7d119e7d9351d5f091f907e0203fe@openmail.cc>
Hello,
Someone from Arch asked me if I have the time to maintain a package from
AUR, but I don't use Arch.
I would like to know what it takes to become a package maintainer in
PCR.
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From bill-auger at peers.community Sun Oct 15 17:26:51 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 12:26:51 -0400
Subject: [Assist] How to become a package maintainer?
In-Reply-To: <4dd7d119e7d9351d5f091f907e0203fe@openmail.cc>
References: <4dd7d119e7d9351d5f091f907e0203fe@openmail.cc>
Message-ID: <20171015122651.54094b94@parabola>
edgar
parabola does not have a community maintained package repository like
the AUR - all packages are maintained by the dev team - but that
probably does not prevent you from accomplishing whatever it is
you hope to accomplish
firstly you do not need to use the official upstream archlinux distro
in order to use the AUR nor to maintain a package in the AUR - AUR
packages can be created and installed in exactly the same way on
parabola (the 'makepkg' program) - in most cases it is just 2 simple
files - then once you have those files ready they are pushed to the AUR
using git (so that minor changes such as re-wording the description can
be done from literally ANY computer)
if you were hoping to get a package into the parabola repos that
archlinux users could install easily then you could open a packaging
request on the parabola bug tracker and maybe someone would package it
for you but then you would need to convince archlinux users who want
to install it to add the parabola repos to their mirrorlist - that is
probably much the same as what they would need to do to add a parabola
AUR if one existed to their pacaur or yaourt programs
another option i can suggest is to use the opensuse build service to
build and host your package - that is a bit different from the AUR and
quite simpler from the user's perspective - that builds and hosts
pre-compiled binary packages that can be easily installed on any
archlinux derrivative - it is also a proper repository that can be
subscribed to for automatic updates
From bill-auger at peers.community Sun Oct 15 17:47:53 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 12:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:08:27 +0200 (CEST)
192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to find and buy a "libre" wireless usb stick but I can not
> find it.
that wiki page is just giving a recommendation - those are not the only
devices that will work with parabola - the following online shops have
devices that are specifically stated to be compatible with FOSS distros:
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog
https://store.vikings.net/
https://shop.libiquity.com/
https://tehnoetic.com/
From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info Sun Oct 15 18:19:37 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 12:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <1508087978.24501.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
192.ejaj at netcmail.com :
> According to the following FAQ page:
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ_(Fran%C3%A7ais)#Pourquoi_l.E2.80.99internet_sans_fil_ne_fonctionne_pas_.3F
> I need to have one of the RTL818x chip
>
> Do you have any idea which 'libre' model is working (that we can buy)?
the page also mentions sticks based on atheros 9k_htc. those support
the faster 802.11n protocol.[0]
i can't think in terms of particular models. the way i would go about
it would be to search for end products that contain the chip model i
want (the ones i mentioned are all named like AR9xxx).
i hope this is helpful.
[0]:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers
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From megver83 at hyperbola.info Mon Oct 16 00:58:17 2017
From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:58:17 -0300
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
Message-ID: <4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
El 15/10/17 a las 13:47, bill-auger escribi?:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:08:27 +0200 (CEST)
> 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I want to find and buy a "libre" wireless usb stick but I can not
>> find it.
>
> that wiki page is just giving a recommendation - those are not the only
> devices that will work with parabola - the following online shops have
> devices that are specifically stated to be compatible with FOSS distros:
>
> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog
> https://store.vikings.net/
> https://shop.libiquity.com/
> https://tehnoetic.com/
> _______________________________________________
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>
Let's not forget about our Wiki!
https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-libre
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From bill-auger at peers.community Mon Oct 16 01:19:30 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
<4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
Message-ID: <20171015201930.31f86149@parabola>
On Sun 2017-10-15 08:58:17 PM - Megver83 wrote:
> Let's not forget about our Wiki!
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-libre
>
+1 to that
i did not even know about that page - there is a lot of information
there - however i noticed no other pages of the wiki link to it - which
probably explains why myself and the OP did not see it - that should
probably be mentioned more prominently somewhere - maybe on the
installation page?
it would also be nice if it were filled out a bit more with a "Verified
as Definitely Works on a Parabola System" section - and other drivers
such as ath5k
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info Mon Oct 16 06:12:50 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:12:50 -0500
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
<4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
Message-ID: <1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Megver83 wrote :
> Let's not forget about our Wiki!
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-libre
looks like a copy of https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k_htc
it would be wiser to blank it on our side and link directly
to the single original wiki. and there would be no link rot
outbreak on the Parabola wiki; that's the benefit of creating
a page and never linking to it :P
--
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
Tox:
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From bill-auger at peers.community Mon Oct 16 06:40:50 2017
From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
<4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
<1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <20171016014050.790d722c@parabola>
On Mon 2017-10-16 12:12:50 AM - Isaac wrote:
> looks like a copy of https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k_htc
>
> it would be wiser to blank it on our side and link directly
i see yes - noticing that some popular drivers were missing (such as
ath5k) i looked that wiki over a bit - i found this would be a much better page to link to
https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Category:Linux_driver/802dot11
it is a color-coded table that notes all drivers in the kernel and their
licenses and links to their respecive pages like the one you mentioned -
the parabola wiki could note to look for essentially the union of all
that are green in the "general_information" column and either green
(firmweare is FOSS) or white (firmweare not required) in the "firmware"
column
o/c it would also be trivial to copy/paste that entire table and prune
the brown and red rows
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From edgar at openmail.cc Mon Oct 16 17:04:44 2017
From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:04:44 +0000
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171016014050.790d722c@parabola>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
<4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
<1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
<20171016014050.790d722c@parabola>
Message-ID: <2d4365d6cd5e13092dc0472d7671a86a@openmail.cc>
On 2017-10-16 05:40, bill-auger wrote:
> On Mon 2017-10-16 12:12:50 AM - Isaac wrote:
>> looks like a copy of https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k_htc
> better page to link to
>
> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Category:Linux_driver/802dot11
>
> o/c it would also be trivial to copy/paste that entire table and prune
> the brown and red rows
Plus the link does not always work.
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From megver83 at hyperbola.info Mon Oct 16 18:46:29 2017
From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:46:29 -0300
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References:
<20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
<4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
<1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID:
El 16/10/17 a las 02:12, Isaac David escribi?:
> Megver83 wrote :
>> Let's not forget about our Wiki!
>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-libre
>>
>
> looks like a copy of https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k_htc
>
Emulatorman based himself on that article, when he wrote it. But at
least our Wiki does not block Tor users, plus we can adapt it to
Parabola specifically.
--
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From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Mon Oct 16 21:56:06 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:56:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171015124753.0a8f9772@parabola>
Message-ID:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:08:27 +0200 (CEST)
> 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I want to find and buy a "libre" wireless usb stick but I can not
> > find it.
>
> that wiki page is just giving a recommendation - those are not the only
> devices that will work with parabola - the following online shops have
> devices that are specifically stated to be compatible with FOSS distros:
>
> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog
> https://store.vikings.net/
> https://shop.libiquity.com/
> https://tehnoetic.com/
Thank you for these links. I may look of some of those products / models to buy in real life (and not digitally).
Indeed, I do not think that declining our identity to be able to buy something is a mark of freedom. That is why I do not prefer / want to buy online. And because I do not want to be tracked because I am buying "libre" component / product.
According to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers I prefer to support the rtl8187 driver instead of ath9k_htc driver.
Indeed:
- Qualcomm Atheros is only recently liberating theirs hardwares. In opposition Realtek has liberating their hardwares since the beginning. For this reason I would to encourage / support the work of Realtek
- Qualcomm Atheros provides their hardwares under the following ISC licence: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ISC. In opposition Realtek provides their hardwares under the GPL licence.
I should assume GPL is safer than ISC, right?
For those reasons I will in the best effort exclude the AR9271 chipset.
The wireless USB sticks available from:
- https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog are:
+ https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb -> I will not consider because of using AR9271 chipset
+ https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter -> Realtek RTL8187B chipset: it looks good but if the usb stick could be smaller, it would be perfect.
- https://store.vikings.net/
+ I could not find any Wi-Fi dongle
- https://shop.libiquity.com/
+ I could not find any Wi-Fi dongle
- https://tehnoetic.com/
+ https://tehnoetic.com/tet-n150hga -> I will not consider because of using AR9271 chipset
+ https://tehnoetic.com/tet-n300 -> I will not consider because using Atheros chipset
+ https://tehnoetic.com/tehnoetic-wireless-adapter-gnu-linux-libre-tet-n150 -> I will not consider because of using AR9271 chipset
In consequence, is there any physical shop where anyone can buy a Penguin Wireless G USB Adapter?
Thank you for reading until the end!
Best regards,
Ejaj
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Mon Oct 16 22:07:54 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:07:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <1508087978.24501.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID:
> 192.ejaj at netcmail.com :
> > According to the following FAQ page:
> > https://wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ_(Fran%C3%A7ais)#Pourquoi_l.E2.80.99internet_sa
> ns_fil_ne_fonctionne_pas_.3F
> > I need to have one of the RTL818x chip
> >
> > Do you have any idea which 'libre' model is working (that we can buy)?
>
> the page also mentions sticks based on atheros 9k_htc. those support
> the faster 802.11n protocol.[0]
Hello Isaac,
Thank you for your feedback!
I prefer to choose Realtek instead of Atheros. Indeed, Atheros only recently has their hardware "liberated". So I prefer to give my money (and so my support) to Realtek. I have also checked that Atheros is using the ISC licence. I believe the GPL licence is safer / better. I have the choice so why not choose the best? :D
Regarding the faster 802.11n protocol, I do not need to be Flash or Superman ;-) a normal / classical speed of wireless exchanges over Internet would be fair enough. I am not working with Big Data (for the moment).
> i can't think in terms of particular models. the way i would go about
> it would be to search for end products that contain the chip model i
> want (the ones i mentioned are all named like AR9xxx).
My question is how to search for end products in the shop at the corner of my street for example?
How can someone check if the chip model of the end product is rtl8187 (for example)? Only by checking the products one by one inside the shop or is there a list with specific end products / models that contain the rtl8187 chip?
> i hope this is helpful.
Yes, of course. This helped me!
> [0]:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Mon Oct 16 22:11:40 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:11:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <4d194d99-59b8-670f-1c48-0125ef55a490@hyperbola.info>
Message-ID:
> El 15/10/17 a las 13:47, bill-auger escribi?:
> > On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:08:27 +0200 (CEST)
> > 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >> I want to find and buy a "libre" wireless usb stick but I can not
> >> find it.
> >
> > that wiki page is just giving a recommendation - those are not the only
> > devices that will work with parabola - the following online shops have
> > devices that are specifically stated to be compatible with FOSS distros:
> >
> > https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog
> > https://store.vikings.net/
> > https://shop.libiquity.com/
> > https://tehnoetic.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Assist mailing list
> > Assist at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
> >
> Let's not forget about our Wiki!
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-l
> ibre
Hello ~Megver83,
Thank you for this link.
However the following section about the supported devices is empty :-(
https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux-libre#Supported_.28probably.29_devices_2
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Mon Oct 16 22:17:17 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:17:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171015201930.31f86149@parabola>
Message-ID:
> On Sun 2017-10-15 08:58:17 PM - Megver83 wrote:
> > Let's not forget about our Wiki!
> > https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux
> -libre
> >
>
> +1 to that
>
> i did not even know about that page - there is a lot of information
> there - however i noticed no other pages of the wiki link to it - which
> probably explains why myself and the OP did not see it - that should
> probably be mentioned more prominently somewhere - maybe on the
> installation page?
>
> it would also be nice if it were filled out a bit more with a "Verified
> as Definitely Works on a Parabola System" section - and other drivers
> such as ath5k
I agree with bill-auger.
This suggestion would be interesting to be implemented. Maybe on installation page with a "Verified as Definitely Works on a Parabola System" section.
Best regards,
Ejaj
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Mon Oct 16 22:21:42 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:21:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <1508130770.14671.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID:
> Megver83 wrote :
> > Let's not forget about our Wiki!
> > https://wiki.parabola.nu/WiFi_devices_known_to_work_with_Parabola_GNU/Linux
> -libre
>
> looks like a copy of https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ath9k_htc
There is also this page: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Rtl8187#Supported_.28probably.29_devices
But I can not find the end products corresponding to those devices. How usually do we get the end products from this list?
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Wed Oct 18 23:32:22 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:32:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171016174329.26af4fcc@parabola>
Message-ID:
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > - Qualcomm Atheros is only recently liberating theirs hardwares
>
> im not sure what that pertains to but i can say that the 'ath*' drivers
> have been free software for many years
I got the information from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers
At the "ath9k_htc" line, there are 3 notes [4], [5] and [6]. It is written
that it is from 1 May 2015. So according to my point of view, this is
quite recent indeed.
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > I should assume GPL is safer than ISC, right?
>
> safer? in what regard? a wifi driver is not a weapon and a software
> license is not armor - what is your concern exactly?
According to this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses#General_comparison
in the ISC licence there are "?" so we do not know if it is allowed or
not. And I have checked about what is a permissive licence and I
have found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_free_software_license#Comparison_to_copyleft
For a better future we should guarantee to the future generations that
our work today will remain free and libre, available to the public
domain and why not a commons.
I remind that google used open-source projects in the past to develop
Chrome, a spy and big data tool today. And the code of Chrome is of
course closed. In my opinion, companies should not take the work
from libre or open-source projects to develop another private project
where there are the only ones taking the benefits. In my opinion
private companies / investors should not benefit from
libre / open-source projects.
And ISC licence is from Internet Systems Consortium. I do not know
a lot about this consortium. But this is weird actually:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Systems_Consortium#Controversies
In conclusion why not using the best when it is already here, when it
already exists? According to this page again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses#General_comparison
it would choose GPL licence.
In consequence, it makes sense to me giving support to Realtek
(which is GPL licence and being free for a long time)
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > For those reasons I will in the best effort exclude the AR9271
> > chipset.
>
> i think maybe you should consider that
>
>
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > In consequence, is there any physical shop where anyone can buy a
> > Penguin Wireless G USB Adapter?
>
> i dont know the names of which consumer products are it's equivalent but
> i can say that the penguin N150 is a very popular device (the NETGEAR
> N150 (WNA1100)) that has been widely sold for many years - i have one
> here
Unfortunately the penguin N150 uses the AR9271 chipset :-( However
the Penguin Wireless G USB Adapter uses the Realtek RTL8187B.
Better!
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > Only by checking the products one by one inside the shop
>
> yes that is exactly what i would do - and if the chipset is not marked
> on the outside of the package i would ask the shop-keeper - and if the
> shop-keeper did not know the answer i would say "i am going to buy this
> and if it does not work on my operating system i expect a refund" -
> better yet, if you have a laptop, bring it into the shop, and tell
> the shop-keeper to open the package and let you try it on your
> laptop there in the shop
Yes, why not ;-)
> On Mon 2017-10-16 10:56:06 PM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > or is there a list with specific end products / models that contain
> >the rtl8187 chip?
>
> h-node is the best resource for that
> https://h-node.org/wifi/catalogue/en
Thank you! I will look at it!
Cheers bill-augeur,
Ejaj
From 192.ejaj at netcmail.com Fri Oct 20 00:30:30 2017
From: 192.ejaj at netcmail.com (192.ejaj at netcmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:30:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Assist] Objet
In-Reply-To: <20171018191544.6540727e@parabola>
Message-ID:
> it seems that you are preferring the realtek-based devices because of
> the license of the opensource driver in an attempt to reward that
> company for choosing that license
Yes I am preferring the realtek-based devices because of the licence
of the open-source in order to reward the company's work for the
open-source community.
> - that is assuming that the
> manufacturer is the one who wrote the opensource device driver but that
> is often or usually not the case - many (or most) opensource drivers
> exist for devices where the manufacture released only a closed-source
> driver and some programmer who bought the device wrote a linux driver
> (perhaps for their own use) and then opensourced it - so if this was
> your thinking then you could as well be regarding the wrong company -
According to this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers
the GPL source code was not written by hackers but by Realtek. Which is
very good.
> it would be more reasonable to look at how many devices in the past
> have been usable with an opensource driver - using that criteria i
> think there are many more devices that work with the atheros drivers
> than realtek drivers - that could must mean that atheros chips are more
> popular though so this may not be good thinking either
>From what I am analysing Qualcomm Atheros is an **opportunist** company:
- the latest versions of USB dongles were delivered with proprietary source
code. So a work of reverse-engineering was done to be able to use the
device with ?free? code from the community
- in consequence Qualcomm Atheros only decided in May 2015 to
?liberate? theirs devices for the next products.
In consequence I believe Qualcomm Atheros is the wrong company,
because as you said, they released a closed-source driver and some
programmer.s. wrote a linux driver and open-sourced it.
> On Thu 2017-10-19 12:32:22 AM - 192.ejaj at netcmail.com wrote:
> > in the ISC licence there are "?" so we do not know if it is allowed
>
> if what is allowed? commercial use? - the GPL and most opensource
> licenses also allow commercial use
if it is allowed or not for private use. As indicated in the following page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses#General_comparison
we do not know about:
- Patent grant
- Private use
- Sublicensing
- TM grant
> the last thing to say is that you answered to the question of "safety"
> with concerns of "freedom" - these concepts should not be confused -
> "safety" and "freedom" are not at all the same thing - in fact they are
> more appropriately viewed as opposite extremes on a spectrum
Yes, maybe. But for me, a ?safe? society is a free society and
not a ?controlled? society as it is wrongly assumed nowadays. That is
why when you asked me to explain myself about "safety" and in "which
regards", I talked about freedom and "we should guarantee to the future
generations that our work today will remain free and libre, available to
the public domain and why not a commons".
So at this stage, the ?good? libre products are so far:
- https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter
- https://h-node.org/wifi/view/en/137/Realtek-RTL8187L--Realtek-Semiconductor-Corp--RTL8187-Wireless-Adapter-/1/1/Realtek-Semiconductor-Corp./undef/yes/undef/wifi-works/undef
- https://h-node.org/wifi/view/en/166/-Realtek-Semiconductor-Corp--RTL8187B-Wireless-802-11g-54Mbps-Network-Adapter/1/1/Realtek-Semiconductor-Corp./undef/yes/undef/wifi-works/undef
(be careful to not choose the TRENDnet TEW-424UB model)
But at any case I will try to get a RTL8187[B|L] chipset model after looking the products in the shops within my area.
Cheers,
Ejaj
From mcgregor at mailoo.org Fri Oct 20 17:38:38 2017
From: mcgregor at mailoo.org (mcgregor at mailoo.org)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 18:38:38 +0200
Subject: [Assist] ec fonts
In-Reply-To:
References: <20150412170113.GA27532@zebra-laptop.karel>
<8738452l03.fsf@mtjm.eu>
<20150415214746.GC7993@nil>
<20150510231914.GA31935@nil>
<561DDC12.6030804@riseup.net> <561DE152.7040409@riseup.net>
<87zizm3rty.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu> <5648FCEC.2090600@riseup.net>
<8760wkscu4.fsf@abril.charola>
<56EF7920.4040307@riseup.net> <8760phw0lx.fsf@mailoo.org>
<87r383h6zw.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <874lqt7p0x.fsf@MiddleEarth.home>
Hi,
If someone still faces font issues (I do) and uses the soul package,
changing ectt1000 into cmtt10 (2?places) into soul.sty works.
--
McGregor
Ramana Kumar writes:
> Yes please. I am stuck on an old version of TexLive because of this issue.
>
> On 29 September 2016 at 10:42, Jorge Araya Navarro
> wrote:
>
>> Why cannot we revert these changes making EC fonts available again while
>> upstream solves the issue?
>>
>> El mi?rcoles 28 de septiembre del 2016 a las 1243 horas, Andr? Silva
>> escribi?:
>>
>> > On 09/27/2016 05:26 PM, mcgregor at mailoo.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 21 2016, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 03/21/2016 12:53 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote:
>> >>>> Andr?, I saw you were about to make progress on this, but then
>> stopped.
>> >>>> Did Micha? put you off? Please don't delay any longer. It's a simple
>> >>>> issue, and is disrupting work for many of us.
>> >>>
>> >>> ok, i'll begin it tomorrow to get a way to solve this issue! Sorry for
>> >>> the delay since i forgot it. Meanwhile, could you open a report bug
>> >>> about it to labs and assign me to remember about this task?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> It still doesn't work for me (ecrm fonts still missing). I've just been
>> >> facing the issue with moderncv. None of the solutions I found online
>> >> worked, all of which were about changing fontenc.
>> >>
>> >> It turns out that the moderncv.cls file contains:
>> >>
>> >> \RequirePackage[T1]{fontenc}
>> >> \IfFileExists{lmodern.sty}%
>> >> {\RequirePackage{lmodern}}%
>> >> {}
>> >>
>> >> Commenting this out fixed it for me and I haven't noticed any issue in
>> >> the output file, but it's rather dirty.
>> >
>> > I opened a report about it with more details. [0]
>> > Otherwise, coadde opened a similar one to Arch [1]
>> >
>> > [0]:https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/972
>> > [1]:https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/48683
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Assist mailing list
>> > Assist at lists.parabola.nu
>> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
>>
>>
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From h.godavari at shaw.ca Thu Oct 26 16:37:12 2017
From: h.godavari at shaw.ca (Harsha Godavari)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:37:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Assist] Hyperbola
Message-ID: <1970735502.42183546.1509032232192.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I have recently heard about "Hyperbola" and searched for it. Only one of the four or so URLs, provided by the search engine , worked. There is an *.Iso available on the site and its hardware requirements are really minimal. But further details are not available
Is this really under development? Where does one go to learn more about this?
Thanks for your help
regards
harsha godavari
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From: kete at twinoaks.org (Kete)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:45:45 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Hyperbola
In-Reply-To: <1970735502.42183546.1509032232192.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <1970735502.42183546.1509032232192.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID:
https://www.hyperbola.info/
On 10/26/17, Harsha Godavari wrote:
> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;
> font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;}
> I have recently heard about "Hyperbola" and searched for it. Only one of the
> four or so URLs, provided by the search engine , worked. There is an *.Iso
> available on the site and its hardware requirements are really minimal. But
> further details are not available
>
> Is this really under development? Where does one go to learn more about
> this?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> regards
> harsha godavari
>
>
From andrew.comly at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 13:41:59 2017
From: andrew.comly at gmail.com (Andrew)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:41:59 +0800
Subject: [Assist] Can't boot after fresh install
Message-ID: <146E325A-60AB-4C8D-BE8F-FCEB1A561FA6@gmail.com>
Hi, I am running a parabola OpenRC LXDE after gui installing from a OpenRC LXDE Dual (i686 and x86_64) iso. Hardware: Samsung NC110 netbook(purchased 2011). I checked the sha512sum before installing.
I ran the GUI installation procedure, and completed all ~5 sections: 1] format and mount partitions; 2] install Base system; 3] grub installation; 4] system configuration; 5] create user account; 6] Install live DVD desktop applications.
Upon completion I rebooted and arrived at a tty2 click screen, prompted with:
-bash: startx: command not found
I then entered "caja --force-desktop"
But this distribution is not the desktop environment mate, so I didn't get any response from this.
Should I go back and install the whole thing over via the installation guides:
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Beginners%27_Guide
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide
?
But aren't they both are written for mate? I have the LXDE version. What should I do?
My experience: 2 years self-study learning bash programming on tldp.org via their advanced bash shellscripting online textbook on trisquel mini 7.0.
Andrew
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com Sun Oct 29 14:50:19 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 10:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Can't boot after fresh install
In-Reply-To: <146E325A-60AB-4C8D-BE8F-FCEB1A561FA6@gmail.com>
References: <146E325A-60AB-4C8D-BE8F-FCEB1A561FA6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8760ayuhxw.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:41:59 -0400,
Andrew wrote:
> Hi, I am running a parabola OpenRC LXDE after gui installing from a OpenRC LXDE Dual (i686 and x86_64)
> iso. Hardware: Samsung NC110 netbook(purchased 2011). I checked the sha512sum before installing.
>
> I ran the GUI installation procedure, and completed all ~5 sections: 1] format and mount partitions; 2]
> install Base system; 3] grub installation; 4] system configuration; 5] create user account; 6] Install
> live DVD desktop applications.
>
> Upon completion I rebooted and arrived at a tty2 click screen, prompted with:
> -bash: startx: command not found
Can you verify if you have networking? If you do, I suspect that
running `sudo pacman -S xorg-xinit` fix the issue.
I've CC'd David, who created the openrc ISOs, he might have a better
idea what went wrong.
> I then entered "caja --force-desktop"
> But this distribution is not the desktop environment mate, so I didn't get any response from this.
>
> Should I go back and install the whole thing over via the installation guides:
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Beginners%27_Guide
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide
> ?
> But aren't they both are written for mate? I have the LXDE version. What should I do?
The beginners' guide is actually mostly for the text-based installer
(running every command manually in the shell at a TTY).
The OpenRC ISOs didn't exist until the first of this month, so it's
going to be a bit before wiki documentation catches up :)
>
> My experience: 2 years self-study learning bash programming on tldp.org via their advanced bash
> shellscripting online textbook on trisquel mini 7.0.
--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker
From lukeshu at lukeshu.com Sun Oct 29 15:11:59 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Purchasing advice: UPS, media player
Message-ID: <874lqiugxs.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Hi all,
I'd like to make a few purchases, but need help identifiying good
products that will work with Free Software.
- I'd like a UPS that can tell me how much power everything connected
to it is pulling, and to be be able to initiate a safe shut-down
after it's been on for a couple seconds (I'm more worried about
flickers than outright outages). I'm open to a "smart" UPS, such
as those from APC, but I don't believe there are any that have free
firmware. I suppose that leaves me with a UPS with a USB interface
supporting USB HID UPS, and adding "smart" features with an
external device. If possible, I'd prefer it to be rack-mountable.
- I'd like a small device (like a Pi or a BBB) that has functional
HDMI output, and preferably HDMI input as well. I know that the
BBB does not have functional HDMI without non-free blobs. While
I'm excited about the EOMA68, I'd like something that I can buy
today, and have by Thanksgiving.
--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker
From megver83 at hyperbola.info Sun Oct 29 22:08:11 2017
From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:08:11 -0300
Subject: [Assist] Can't boot after fresh install
In-Reply-To: <8760ayuhxw.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <146E325A-60AB-4C8D-BE8F-FCEB1A561FA6@gmail.com>
<8760ayuhxw.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <799a9785-3881-be78-5abd-243ccce9133e@hyperbola.info>
El 29/10/17 a las 11:50, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:41:59 -0400,
> Andrew wrote:
>> Hi, I am running a parabola OpenRC LXDE after gui installing from a OpenRC LXDE Dual (i686 and x86_64)
>> iso. Hardware: Samsung NC110 netbook(purchased 2011). I checked the sha512sum before installing.
>>
>> I ran the GUI installation procedure, and completed all ~5 sections: 1] format and mount partitions; 2]
>> install Base system; 3] grub installation; 4] system configuration; 5] create user account; 6] Install
>> live DVD desktop applications.
>>
>> Upon completion I rebooted and arrived at a tty2 click screen, prompted with:
>> -bash: startx: command not found
>
> Can you verify if you have networking? If you do, I suspect that
> running `sudo pacman -S xorg-xinit` fix the issue.
>
> I've CC'd David, who created the openrc ISOs, he might have a better
> idea what went wrong.
>
>> I then entered "caja --force-desktop"
>> But this distribution is not the desktop environment mate, so I didn't get any response from this.
>>
>> Should I go back and install the whole thing over via the installation guides:
>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Beginners%27_Guide
>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide
>> ?
>> But aren't they both are written for mate? I have the LXDE version. What should I do?
>
> The beginners' guide is actually mostly for the text-based installer
> (running every command manually in the shell at a TTY).
>
> The OpenRC ISOs didn't exist until the first of this month, so it's
> going to be a bit before wiki documentation catches up :)
>
>>
>> My experience: 2 years self-study learning bash programming on tldp.org via their advanced bash
>> shellscripting online textbook on trisquel mini 7.0.
>
Did you read
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Get_Parabola#Parabola_OpenRC_LXDE_Edition ?
"Known Issues
The installation script has a bug that prevent the new system from
starting the desktop. The system will boot into a command-line
environment. It should be possible to install the system manually however."
I've released a better script, so I'll upload the new ISO, but please
note that it still requires more testing. However, in the VM I tried
looks usable now. *Always* read the "known issues" before using this
beta ISOs.
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From megver83 at hyperbola.info Sun Oct 29 22:35:33 2017
From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:35:33 -0300
Subject: [Assist] Purchasing advice: UPS, media player
In-Reply-To: <874lqiugxs.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <874lqiugxs.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID:
El 29/10/17 a las 12:11, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> - I'd like a small device (like a Pi or a BBB) that has functional
> HDMI output, and preferably HDMI input as well. I know that the
> BBB does not have functional HDMI without non-free blobs. While
> I'm excited about the EOMA68, I'd like something that I can buy
> today, and have by Thanksgiving.
>
There was a guy offering an EOMA68 in our dev list
https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-October/006023.html
In the other hand, I own a Banana Pi M1 and Parabola works OK. The HDMI
works without blobs.
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com Sun Oct 29 23:50:42 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Assist] Purchasing advice: UPS, media player
In-Reply-To:
References: <874lqiugxs.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <871sllv7hp.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:35:33 -0400,
Megver83 wrote:
> El 29/10/17 a las 12:11, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> > - I'd like a small device (like a Pi or a BBB) that has functional
> > HDMI output, and preferably HDMI input as well. I know that the
> > BBB does not have functional HDMI without non-free blobs. While
> > I'm excited about the EOMA68, I'd like something that I can buy
> > today, and have by Thanksgiving.
> >
>
> There was a guy offering an EOMA68 in our dev list
> https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-October/006023.html
It would be used somewhere where I can't use it for dev, so I'd rather
that go to someone using it to improve Parabola :)
> In the other hand, I own a Banana Pi M1 and Parabola works OK. The HDMI
> works without blobs.
That's good to know! I'll have to get one. Thank you.
--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker