Gen VI

Could Aurorus and Tyrantrum be added to the page, or will they be added after this mystery Pokémon is revealed tomorrow? Scratch that. Aurorus, Tyrantrum, and Doublade need to be added. --TheTruth aka Relicant 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

719, 720, 721

We know about them, but we can't really confirm them since this time we neither can crack into the game to see all the data, nor they've been officialy revealed... at least for now. Uploader (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cottonee's type change

False typing

Cottonee and Whimsicott are not fairy type. Why do people keep stating that when you cannot even find them in x or y? --Admantus (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You can't catch them yourself, but they are used by other Trainers in battle facilities, etc. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

And according to Serebii, Cottonee line is now Fairy type, however, you can't catch them in Kalos and the only way to get them is to transfer Pokémon from Black, White, Black 2 or White 2 to X or Y, this is because it is not available to catch in Kalos however you have a chance to see them in battle facilities whereas Trainers used Whimsicott. Cinday123 (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, Serebii might be wrong, because they haven't even updated the sprites for the other unobtainable pokemon that appear post-game. I think that the types should be switched back to pure grass until pokemon bank comes out. --Admantus (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with it. I mean, the information on Bulbapedia is always confirmed information. And any information that wasn't confirmed gets removed. So, the fact that Cottonee/Whimsicott being Grass/Fairy hasn't been removed or altered back to it's original information/typing means it's been confirmed. And like Cinday123 and others have said, just because you can't catch it in the Kalos region games doesn't mean you can't still obtain it. And that means, the information for Cottonee & Whimsicott are programmed in the games. So, I say let it be. DarienLeonhart (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Order

Is it just me or are the pokemon listed for gen VI out of order? Not like broken, but I see like 114 right after 93 and etc. ★☆Togetic45☆★ 18:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not out of order. Those are the Pokemon's Kalos Dex numbers. The list is ordered by the National Dex numbers. --It'sFunktastic~!話してください 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Secret Gen 6 Pokemon

What about those secret Pokemon from Gen 6? The ones after Zygarde? Shouldn't they be on here now? MegaNerd18 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, the Pokémon Company haven't revealed these mythical Pokémon so let's just leave it for now until it's revealed so we don't know yet. Cinday123(Talk) 12:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I think the hacker who discovered the secret Pokemon is reliable because the Pokemon he found where: Hoopla, Volcanion, Daince, Fancy Vivillon, and the Mega Eon twins. Four out of six have revealed. If we do put in Hoopla and Volcaion when should put a little star (*) like on the list of Pokemon in the a area in the ranger game if you must release them after you catch them. --AbsolX (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Generation VI Sprites

Why there are no sprites for the new Pokémon introduced in X and Y? Dalton358 (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Because we don't have them and we don't allow taking from other sites without permission. Glik (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. Dalton358 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

They have 3DS capture cards. Few Bulbapedia users do, and the only ones I've seen with them have been focusing on other things, like Trainer images. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Multiple Pokédeces in Generation VI

In the Generation VI, there are 3 Pokédeces: Kalos Central, Kalos Coastal and Kalos Mountain. For example:

Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -Iosue (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --Abcboy (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I concur with the main issue. Don't write completely undifferentiated numbers as if all you have to do is scroll through one Pokedex to find any given Pokemon; that's not at all the case. Do something like this:

I would also strongly suggest linking the regional 'dex abbreviations in the headers so people can click on them and immediately jump to those 'dexes. (If this were done, this would make "VIdex" less "misleading".) I linked "VIdex" above, and I'll demonstrate the same for the other generations below...

For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in the header template so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that should be clickable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --Abcboy (talk) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

As Abcboy said, this remains an issue. I have taken the liberty of creating a user page that fixes the main issue in this discussion. The page also incorporates my idea for 'dex links in the headers, as well as renames the Kalos section's table header from "VIdex", a name that is not proper considering the existence of ORAS now.

I hope someone on staff will take a cursory look at my user page and then copy the code onto this page (give or take the headers, perhaps), so that this issue may finally be solved. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Color

I noticed that the color coordination is not in accord with the Kalos National Pokédex. Shouldn't each region get the appropriate color attributed to them? Mr. Guye (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting observation. I had never noticed the color coding in the Kalos National Pokédex before, but it's there, and is to my knowledge the first time an official source has used color coding to denote regions.

Bulbapedia currently uses specific colors for regions, but this particular page uses the colors of the first games taking place in those regions. Perhaps the colors for the tables on this page should be replaced with the region colors. Meanwhile, replacing the region colors themselves with the ones in X and Y is a discussion that should take place but might be too big for this page. I would recommend taking that up with a staff member. --AndyPKMN(talk) 18:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The icon for diancie.

Now that Diancie has been released, you guys need to update this page to contain the sprite for diancie so it is no longer a grey question mark. Random Viewer

Flabébé line

We've done it for Shaymin, Burmy and Rotom (as well as others) and the sprites are in the Archives, so can an admin (since I can't edit the page) add on the different mini sprites of them, or explain to me why they aren't used on it? Thanks.--Ditto51/Tom (MyTalkPage) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Save space

Welcome. I got the idea, in which a list of Pokemon replace the tiles. It would have saved a lot of space and reduced the site to a minimum. Imagine this:

As you can see images of Pokémon will be bigger and will take less than half the length now. --Dominikololo (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with this idea. It looks better and shows off a Pokémon's appearance in full instead of just resorting to the icon, yes, but it's a lot more complex to work with incase there's an error. If you want to make it, you can do it as a personal user page under something like User:Dominikololo/Visual National Pokédex just to give us a full example. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Generation III

Considering the fact the Johto Pokédex part of the Gen II Pokémon section was updated to the newer version from HG/SS, it's probably best we update Hoenn's under the Gen III Pokémon section to the one from ΩR/αS. Nintendocan (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Legendary Mascots

Can someone who has access to editing this page add Solgaleo and Lunaala to the Gen VII list? They have been revealed along with the Alola starters, but remained nameless in the video. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

As you say, they are nameless. Until there is confirmation, we will not be assuming their names. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Charjabug and Vikavolt

Shouldn't Charjabug and Vikavolt be immediately after Grubbin, seeing as they're its evolutions? Pokemega32 (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I noticed that too; I think whoever renamed/added them meant to move both Rockruff and Komala down, but somehow missed Rockruff... AmoongussForLife (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Just went to look at it and it seems SnorlaxMonster got it covered. Thanks for pointing it out. Too bad we don't know anything about their official numbering yet, but I guess they want to keep some things (how many 'Mons, for instance" a secret, so meh. CycloneGU (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Hippowdon

If Unfezant and Frillish line are included twice for both genders, shouldn't Hippowdon be added as well? Their appearance is quite different as well.
Same goes for several other cases, if Hoopa and Meloetta have their forms added, why not Keldeo or Kami trio? Who decides what should appear and what shouldn't, and by what rule??? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)

The difference between Hoopa and Meoetta vs Keldeo and the Kami trio may be that the former change types when they change form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. Chenzw (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Basculin is also listed twice, by the way. Vivillon, that also changes menu sprite depending on forms, is only included once (understandably because of how many form differences it has).

I mean I was mostly asking, so thanks for "justifying" it. Also, regarding whether it adds anything content-wise - except for the type changing forms, nothing really adds any content (Frillish, Hippos, Unfezant, Basculin, Vivillon), which is why I was puzzled. Didn't seem like there was any actual reason to include multiples. But I guess Sugimori arts are a good enough reason (I just couldn't figure it out). - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)

Alolan

Someone needs to add the recently revealed Pokemon, which I assume would include Alolan Forms (as they all change type.) AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I think this page is better suited for the Pokémon with their natural Pokémon types to help prevent the page from getting too messy or confusing. This is why separate sub-pages are better suited to handling this such as the Mega Evolution page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I would think that the Alolan Forms should be added, as the type changes, it appears the Pokémon don't switch between the two (an Ice/Fairy Ninetales would have Ice Vulpix), and multiple entries are added for Darmanitan, which is a similar case. I suppose the second point is mostly speculation at this point, though, but I don't think it would hurt the page overall. AmoongussForLife (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

It hasn't been added because there is no page for it and it hasn't been officially revealed, it was leaked. The admins know what they are doing and it will be added when it gets added. --HoennMaster 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

why is this page protected?

why is this page protected? I want to add Rugarugan after Rockruff but I can't. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Most of the time it doesn't need to be changed, and when it does, we don't want people jumping the gun on rumors and stuff. Things like this we (as staff) update it when it's appropriate to do so. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Rowlet National dex number and menu sprites

On the Pokémon Bank page on the official site, menu sprites for several Gen VII Pokémon have been shown, and Rowlet have been confirmed as #722. Here's direct links for the relevant images: Top screen, Bottom screen - RHeegaard (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the reason only Rowlet, Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek were uploaded is because they are the only ones with numbers (I am curious where you got official evidence of Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek's numbers though?), but would it not be possible to upload the others as "DrampaMS.png" and such so that they can be listed? It would make the table easier to read, I think. It's also what we do with artwork (whereas Pikachu's artwork is File:025Pikachu.png, Drampa's is File:Drampa.png), so it's not like it goes against Bulbapedia's other efforts. Nutter Butter (talk) 03:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

In large part, most places where menu sprites are used simply cannot accomodate filenames like DrampaMS (this page being an excellent example of such a place). The few places it might be usable aren't really worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. Kidburla (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

For future reference, if you just wait, someone will almost assuredly get to it soon enough. (I mean, if someone asked this every time there was a new reveal, this page would probably quickly end up bloated.) If it's 24 hours later, then it's late. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

...So, basically, I would guess that this might have been potentially overlooked. Who is to say? Granted, I do understand that Unown, Vivillon, Arceus, and Silvally likely are excluded for a good reason. --Super goku (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. Asmod96 (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to Pokémon with unique type combinations page)? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)

The most important thing to remember, I think, is that this is a list of Pokémon species. It's not a list of minisprites. It's not even a list of Pokémon's types—those are included supplementarily. And it's certainly not a list of Ken Sugimori art.

On that note, I think the inclusion and exclusion of form differences should follow a less horrendously arbitrary standard. Either A) all forms with unique minisprites or types are included, or B) only one form per species is included, determined by a consistent criterion. If we go with A, I absolutely agree with KingisNitro that they should be merged into a single row, since it makes no sense to list the same species multiple times in a list of species. If we go B, I propose that the criterion be "whichever form is leftmost in Pokémon Bank's National Pokédex", since this is consistently a form that can be considered the most basic or "default".

So the question is, A or B? Should we put it up to a vote? Randomwaffle23 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I am going to mention that this technically is over six month old, but I will say that if anyone wants to put this up for a vote or needs to make a new section to discuss this can go ahead. Though, I do want to note that we now have issues with Pokémon like Togekiss who have two menu sprites just for which side they are facing. --Super goku (talk) 07:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

This is still not "fixed". If castform's forms count then I really do think many of the others should be included as well. Maybe not all Unown or Vivillon forms since they're purely cosmetic. I do think forms that change type or stats should be included (like Necrozma or Zygarde forms...) -Jor1ss (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

So, personally, I'm sorry that this keeps getting forgotten. On the other hand, even now, I can't muster enough of myself to "care" about it to check everything and do it up right... If someone wants to create a user page, we can look at it and see what's different and decide how much should be added. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd love to help with adding them but maybe I can't because my account is only 1 day old? I'm also not sure what having a userpage would do for adding to the list? Isn't a userpage just a page for each user? I'm very new here so I don't really know what to do sorry. -Jor1ss (talk) 06:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Alola

At the very top of the page, it still doesn't list Alola with the rest of the regions. AmoongussForLife (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Gliscor sprite missing

Spin-off Pokedexes?

Sort of an off-topic but idk where else to ask; do we have Pokedexes for side/spin-off games (Rumble, Mystery Dungeon, Pinball, Ranger, Trozei/Shuffle...)? I think it would be neat to list the Pokemon with places to find them/other important information. If so - where, if not - why? If I made them on my page, could they be added to Bulba? (Where else can I ask this question?) ~KingisNitro(talk) 01:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

As seen in the List of Pokémon template below the articles, yes, we do have Pokédex listing of other/spin-off games. Unless there's another listing you want to suggest.--ForceFire 03:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Meltan and Melmetal should not be under "generation VII" category

Officially, meltan and melmetal are under the region "unknown" and as such they should both be under that new category. furthermore, their pokedex numbers are 808 and 809 officially too.
- unsigned comment from Supermassimo (talk • contribs)

Well, I see what you mean but this list is sorted by generation. And those Pokémon were indeed introduced in the generation it says they were. --Raltseyeprata med mej 14:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Request to add Trivia section

I would like to see a Trivia section added to the bottom of the list, with the following single item:

With the sole exception of Type: Null, all English Pokémon names in this list are also used for Italian and Spanish languages. The names for Type: Null in Italian and Spanish are, respectively, Tipo Zero and Código Cero.

This is to avoid the need for any separate List of Italian Pokémon names and List of Spanish Pokémon names pages that would differ from this English page by ONLY ONE ROW. (Currently, those two page titles are redirects to the English list.) --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 10:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)