I'll employ to triplet's for equalized tension. It after all is only a bike wheel.. each to their own.

Not saying bracing angle is not important.. it's just another factor wheel building. Comparing hubs w/o using identical components is.. IMO.. not valid.

I've no commercial interest in wheel building.... I have no clientele to market. Just a guy assembling wheels mostly for my own use. The hard water season this yr sees me shaking down some of my ideas.. rethinking some things. I've learned a few things... I've some ideas to try out.

One thing I've observed.. the more things change.. the more they stay the same.

My experience mirrors what @bm0p700f just said a couple of posts ago, at least with regards to Campy builds on DT hubs (190's in my case), and is part of the reason I feel bracing angle is more important than @WinterRider seems to be allowing for. Didn't mean to come across as judging your opinion @WinterRider, of course you're entitled to it. I was just questioning it and providing a pretty specific example attempting to explain and illustrate why I feel that bracing angle is in fact quite relevant, especially on a rear wheel with dish. If it wasn't, then the solution would be very simple... create a hub with a single flange dead smack in the middle and have all spokes head out to the rim. Try it... hmmm... maybe not.

Triplet wheels can equalize tension, but they do not do away with the bracing angle, because it's necessary and important.

Edd shows 52% NDS tension with a 32 hole DT Swiss 240S. To arrive at left side kgf for 12.. to date I've used the left side ratio times the kgf for the right in 32H format.. and then divided by the spoke number left. Has been accurate for what I have assembled.. with some adjustment for all outbound or inbound spokes NDS.

Hey WinterRider, Calnago and bm0p700f are absolutely right, but I wish they had suggested a NDS spoke lacing for a 16:12 arrangement There are articles out there but you need to do alot of reading to find the information

Without >6 degrees NDS bracing angle (more like >7.5), and even though NDS tension is 44%, the wheel would not be laterally stiff. Because DS bracing angles are so small ( <4% ) the NDS brazing angle becomes critical. It would appear that the closer the NDS bracing angle is to 6 degrees the more the DS brazing angle needs to be closer to 6 degrees. You could say that the DS and NDS brazing angles need to add upto about >=12 degrees

The issue with reducing DS brazing angle and increasing NDS brazing angle is that the NDS spoke tension proportionally drops by the same ratio - If DS bracing is 4 degrees and NDS is 8 degrees and the DS/NDS spokes are equal (16:16, 12:12), then DS spoke tension of 120kgf and NDS will be 60kgf.- If DS bracing is 4 degrees and NDS is 12 degrees and the DS/NDS spokes are equal (16:16, 12:12), then DS spoke tension of 120kgf and NDS will be 40kgf ...

Hey WinterRider, for the NDS spoke lacing for a 16:12 arrangement, lets keep it simple ... 3xDS and 3xNDS but with the 3xNDS leave out every 4th spoke I believe that leaving out every 4th NDS spoke should mean that the NDS spokes should all be the same length and about the same spoke tension

According to the calculations it will be interesting to see what NDS ratio we get when using a Shimano 7900 32H hub, 130mm OLD, 28H rimFor a 3xDS 3xNDS 16:12 spoking ... according to the calculations we should get about ...- NDS Tension = (120 * 0.53) * (16/12) = 84.8kgf - Total Bracing angle = 3.8 + 7.2 = 11.0 degrees (good torque control, good wheel lateral stiffness)

Spoc calc (the excel version) will work out the bracing angle and tension balance for you although it is not set up for triplet designs.NDS bracing angle is very important. The DT Swiss 240 road hub has short NDS flange to centre spacing. The Miche RG2 hb has similar PCD and DS flange spacing but wide NDS flange spacing. Built a wheel with the same spokes and rim on the two hubs and the wheel with the Miche hub has signifiicantly more lateral stiffness.

The miche hub will give a tension balance of 44% but is stiff. The DTSwiss 240 hub will give a tension balance of 50 or 52% with the rim I used but is like a bloody noodle - it's hopeless. So much so infact I will only use the 240 hub now with deep V- section rims like the RR585 or with shallow depth rim for low power output riders and then only in 32H drilling with Race spokes or similar.

So bracing angle is more important than tension which is why my wheels with the miche hub and very low NDS tension work. If I had biuilt the wheel with the 240 hub I would have broken spokes by now I am sure as well as rim hitting pads all the time I aply even moderate torque.

If you want equal tension ride a flip flop or a fixed wheel bike.

Hey WinterRider, bm0p700f is correct but it is due to the Total Bracing Angle effect combined with reasonable NDS spoke tension/detension stiffness. The Miche RG2 hub has much better Total Bracing Angle and acceptable NDS spoke tension/detension stiffness ... I shall work it out

Hey WinterRider, for the NDS spoke lacing for a 16:12 arrangement, lets keep it simple ... 3xDS and 3xNDS but with the 3xNDS leave out every 4th spoke I believe that leaving out every 4th NDS spoke should mean that the NDS spokes should all be the same length and about the same spoke tension

Hey WinterRider, do you like this approach ... what hub(s) are you thinking of using? ... what DS Spoke tension do you want to use?

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