Is There Such a Thing as a Positive Illuminati?

We all know that the Illuminati is basically a negative force. They are the ones who wish to promote the current slave system we know as reality.

Does anyone know of a positive equivalent who are fighting these people behind the scenes? Are there equally powerful forces which ward off the
negative the Illuminati wishes to spread. I do not wish to go into much detail, but I feel that I have been aided by such forces lately which have
allowed me to endeavor freely in my artistic path.

Ive heard things ranging across the board. From they are the evil controlling the current system, to they are trying to actually fight the current
system of old world bankers/Vatican, Supposedly trying to implement a meritocracy.

As I see it how can we tell? Look at the term New World Order being thrown around.......

As I see it, the NWO is being touted by the same Old World Order which seems to have been quite succesfull in enslaving all of us.

Could the names been stolen and use for nefarious purposes to create confusion???

I certainly do not know the answer, but you definately bring up what I would call a pretty good conspiracy and another aspect of confusing us to the
point that we no longer can distinguish what is good and what is bad.

No organisation can be considered + or - it has more to do with the actions of the members of that organisation, for example there are some biker
groups who do amazing work for their community which bucks the perception of biker groups and there are some religious organisations that are so full
of hate that they have no positive impact.

The bigger questions are the ones we should be asking ourselves, do I create harmony or discord, do I advocate compassion or anger, do I have a
positive or negative impact on those around me etc.

So to answer your question yes it is possible as long as the group as a whole can answer those same questions in a positive manner.

here are descriptions of two different groups that are called by the generic moniker
'illuminati'

The Bavarian Illuminati is probably the most misunderstood secret society in modern history. Adam Weishaupt (1748-1811) founded this "new" secret
society in the 1700s, but it was indeed not new at all; it's been around for thousands of years but under different names. During Weishaupt's
lifetime, however, this organization was revealed in public. The Bavarian Illuminati in an earlier form created the Knights Templar and Freemasonry to
safeguard ancient esoteric knowledge from coming into the hands of the Power Elite and was set up as an opposition to the powers-that-be.

The Illuminati (not to be confused with the Bavarian Illuminati) is a very secretive group of occult practitioners who have been around for thousands
and thousands of years and are using the Jewish Cabala as one of their guidelines to oppress the rest of the population. It is not a boys' club or a
group of adults trying to get some excitement in life; this is something much bigger and much more sinister. It is an extremely well structured
organization consisting of people in very High Places. Those people are the Super Wealthy, who stand above the law. Many of them don't even appear on
the list of the wealthiest people in the world - they are that secret. What is driving them is power, money and control over life and death of others
and themselves.

This is not going to be a popular opinion (but then the truth is never popular), but how can there be a "positive" Illuminati if there is no
"negative" Illuminati? The Illuminati doesn't exist as portrayed by conspiracy theorists - the Bavarian Illuminati was indeed real, but was more of
a progressive thinking organization than anything else. For its time the Bavarian Illuminati's ideas were radical, but it was disbanded by the
Bavarian government and has not existed for centuries.

The "Illuminati" as the term is commonly used today is a device to support thinking that seeks to simplify our chaotic, complex world into a simple
reality of things being run by some malevolent behind the curtains evil. It may be more comforting to simplify the world into black and white, but its
just not real.

Originally posted by Jdawg9909
We all know that the Illuminati is basically a negative force.

If you are refering to the Bavarian Illuminati they were anti-Vatican and anti-monarchy so I would have considered them a positive force.

Just my opinion.

In fact, according to their founder, Weishaupt, their primary purpose was to 'perfect human nature'. He felt he had to remove the influence of
corrupt governments and religious institutions and work to undermine them in secrecy to achieve his goals of perfecting man's character and morals.
I think to some extent libertarians and some liberals would find his ideas interesting.

Unfortunately they are also profoundly unbiblical since it is impossible to perfect man, without God's Holy Spirit. Nevertheless Thomas Jefferson
was a fan of Weishaupt, but felt that there was no need for secrecy and that he could have operated the Illuminati openly in the US.

Later the name took on a much more sinister connotation and modern day groups that adopt this name tend to be occultists or satanists.

I'll have to go with the other posters who said "define Illuminati". There is a thread on ATS from a guy who claimed to be a member. He was kicked
out for using a few ID's in his thread, but it was an interesting journey. People were very interested to get an inside look at the mystique.

My opinion is that we don't know what is good and bad and I certainly don't buy the idea that we are forced into being brainwashed. That itself is
as close to deliberate brainwashing as it gets.

Other than that there are mechanism in place that keep the profits rolling in that serve various entities. If you hate the system you hate all of
them, or maybe you love all the chattels of capitalism, but neither polarity is necessary.

From what I know the elites cannot be illuminated as such. They would have to be dark if their desires were nefarious, but I don't claim to know the
hearts of the rich and powerful, nor do I assess them as especially bad. It seems to me that we all too often place our own morality onto others,
which by rights should have no effect on them.

I have been saying for a long time that the are TPTB are those most aligned with nature, because they are the ones who understand the plan and see
things happening with more wisdom, more love, more evolved etc.

I've never read / heard an account of the Illuminati that wasn't incredulous, and the people talking about them as though they are the enemy are
always talking from outside the system, with the intent to destroy. It could be looked at as a catch cry for the disenfranchised that has no basis in
truth whatsoever.

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