Meeting Log - 2008-03-06

From: Ricky Zhou <ricky fedoraproject org>

To: fedora-infrastructure-list redhat com

Subject: Meeting Log - 2008-03-06

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:10:46 -0500

15:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Come one come all. Who's here?
15:02 < gkrpan> <-- here
15:02 < mmcgrath> Alrighty guys, who's around?
15:02 * yingbull is here.
15:02 * f13
15:02 * iWolf lurks while he kicks his tape library
15:02 * daMaestro here
15:02 * whitenoise here (only for listen :P)
15:03 * skvidal is
15:03 * alleycat sits quitely in a corner
15:03 * jwb is here just in case
15:03 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser 195 229 24 83] has left #fedora-meeting ["Time to go"]
15:03 -!- alleycat is now known as wolfy
15:04 < mmcgrath> alrighty then, lets talk tickets
15:04 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
15:04 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority
15:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/2hyyz6
15:04 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421
15:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421
15:04 < mmcgrath> So it looks like we'll be able to do our test releases then blow them away.
15:04 < f13> some good news on that front
15:04 * lmacken is here
15:04 < mmcgrath> which will allow us to host the secondary arch ia64.
15:05 < f13> I'm still trying to suck all the content down to Westford
15:05 < mmcgrath> f13: do you just want me to leave moving those bits around to you?
15:05 * jcollie is here
15:05 < f13> mmcgrath: yeah, once I have them sucked down, I'll send out some announcements and a week later blow away all the old content.
15:05 < mmcgrath> solid. How soon do you think we can give a thumbs up to the ia64 guys? And how are we going to be configuring a sync of that content?
15:06 < f13> mmcgrath: dgilmore will be setting up a timed rsync from their content to the netapp via releng1
15:06 < f13> I hope in 2 weeks~ we can start picking up their content
15:06 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: what subnet are they on?
15:07 -!- smooge [n=smooge canopus unm edu] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:07 < mmcgrath> ehh, we can work out the specifics there when the time comes.
15:08 < mmcgrath> f13: anything else on that front? If not we'll move on.
15:09 < f13> I don't think so.
15:09 < mmcgrath> k, next item
15:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 365
15:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #365 (mailman setup (project/hosted)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/365
15:09 < mmcgrath> jcollie: AFAIK we're done and ready for this, is that correct?
15:09 < mmcgrath> If so after the meeting I'll kick it off by starting a smolt-devel list :)
15:09 < jcollie> well, i gotta reconfigure for lists.fh.o but otherwise yeah
15:09 < mmcgrath> jcollie: how much work will that be?
15:10 < lmacken> I'll keep an eye on the audit logs on collab1 to see if selinux breaks anything
15:10 < jcollie> not too much i think... looking into it now
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15:10 * dgilmore is here
15:11 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: the box that we will sync from is 209.132.176.105
15:11 < mmcgrath> jcollie: excellent. let me know when you think its ready.
15:11 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: that won't work I don't think.
15:11 < mmcgrath> .dns koji.fedoraproject.org
15:11 < zodbot> mmcgrath: 209.132.176.98
15:11 < mmcgrath> yeah, I don't think our internal network will be able to get to that IP address.
15:11 < mmcgrath> maybe though.
15:12 < mmcgrath> ahh, looks like we can.
15:12 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i tested yesterday and i was able to connect to it via rync from releng1
15:12 < mmcgrath> ok. no worries there then.
15:12 < mmcgrath> jcollie: anything else?
15:13 < mmcgrath> alrighty, moving on :)
15:13 < mmcgrath> .ticket 395
15:13 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395
15:13 < mmcgrath> skvidal: dgilmore: I forget, do you guys remember if there was a deadline or target date for this set by the board?
15:13 < skvidal> none
15:13 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: ASAP
15:14 < skvidal> dgilmore: or as late as possible
15:14 < dgilmore> but its not pressing
15:14 < mmcgrath> buhahahah
15:14 < skvidal> there isn't a deadline
15:14 < skvidal> when it is possible is good
15:14 < mmcgrath> so as soon as someone has time to get it setup.
15:14 < dgilmore> yep
15:14 < skvidal> but I do not think we said 'drop other things to do it'
15:14 < skvidal> dgilmore: ?
15:14 < mmcgrath> Ok. so here's the goal for that as far as I see it.
15:14 < dgilmore> skvidal: no dropping of other things
15:14 < skvidal> dgilmore:okay, you and I have a very different way of conveying that :)
15:14 < dgilmore> irc worked fairly well and we will use that until asterisk is ready
15:14 < mmcgrath> We've been waiting on FAS2 as a blocker for some things. A soon as its out the door (hopefully next week) I have a feeling there's going to be a mad rush to get the wiki migrated.
15:14 < dgilmore> skvidal: my bad sorry
15:15 < skvidal> dgilmore: no, just different
15:15 < mmcgrath> Additionally we've built a little buffer in the back of our minds to have asterisk integration with FAS2.
15:15 < mmcgrath> Does anyone here want to take on that task?
15:15 < mmcgrath> There's 2 issues at stake.
15:15 < mmcgrath> 1) is the town hall meetings
15:15 < mmcgrath> and 2) is the finalization of our asterisk setup.
15:16 < mmcgrath> jcollie is working on 1) and has made some good progress but I don't think it will be viable until 2) is complete.
15:16 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: im willing to work on it with jcollie and jsmith
15:16 < mmcgrath> if no one has the time right now we'll just postpone it till next week.
15:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: excellent.
15:16 < jcollie> i've got a bit of time...
15:16 * mmcgrath looks for a ticket real quick.
15:16 < jcollie> as far as FAS<->asterisk i think it's best if we just generate the asterisk configs from a FAS2 dump
15:16 -!- mpdehaan [n=mpdehaan nat/redhat/x-778d50d1dc8d8e9a] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:17 < dgilmore> jcollie: :) we can chat about it this arvo
15:17 < dgilmore> jcollie: :) most likely yeah
15:17 < mpdehaan> can I sneak "public cobbler server" into the agenda? :)
15:17 < mmcgrath> yeah I can't find it yet
15:17 < jcollie> i don't think we want to get into asterisk "realtime"
15:17 < mmcgrath> mpdehaan: we'll open the floor at the end, thats a good time :)
15:18 < mpdehaan> cool
15:18 < mmcgrath> jcollie: I was thinking about that too. Long term though it'd be awesome to see some sort of openid integration with asterisk. thats another story though.
15:18 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ok, would you mind creating a ticket, putting me, jcollie and jsmith on the cc?
15:18 < jcollie> openid is web-only afaik
15:19 < mmcgrath> jcollie: I've heard about some people doing what I call "strange things" with it though :) never know.
15:19 < mmcgrath> alrighty, next item
15:19 < mmcgrath> .ticket 398
15:19 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #398 (elfutils `monotone' (mtn) error) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/398
15:19 < mmcgrath> jcollie: thanks for brining this up. I aparently missed rolands comment about it not being able to do anonymous checkouts.
15:20 < mmcgrath> Long story short guys, in order to use a monotone repo, you have to have write access of some kind.
15:20 < mmcgrath> lame? yes. very.
15:20 < mmcgrath> in the meantime I've suggested rsync as an option
15:20 < jcollie> i think we need to put a hold on any new monotone repos
15:20 < mmcgrath> jcollie: what did you think of that?
15:20 < jcollie> kinda lame
15:20 < mmcgrath> very lame
15:20 < jcollie> but i guess it'd work
15:21 < mmcgrath> it works for our "openess" rule, but its very lame.
15:21 < mmcgrath> I'm going to check and open a bug with the mtn developers.
15:21 < mmcgrath> ok, anyone have anything else on that?
15:21 < daMaestro> +1 to bugging upstream to support r/o access ;-)
15:22 < f13> oh god, that's terrible.
15:22 < f13> fwiw, "upstream" == RH employee I think
15:22 < f13> or at one time that was true
15:22 < mmcgrath> funny.
15:22 < mmcgrath> Alrighty, so thats the end of the tickets. one item I want to discuss since the release is on its way is the number of open tickets still with a F9 milestone on them.
15:23 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+9
15:23 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/25vzyu
15:23 < mmcgrath> It seems like there's a lot there, and there is, but much of it is already being worked on and a few of them are related to FAS2.
15:23 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: will do
15:23 < mmcgrath> One bit thats still up there that doesn't have an owner is the final move to postfix on bastion and adding spam headers.
15:24 < mmcgrath> jcollie helpped move all the rest of our boxes to postfix so they're all set. Bastion is the final one. Any takers?
15:24 < mmcgrath> .ticket 333
15:24 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #333 (Add spam headers to bastion (smtp)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/333
15:24 < mmcgrath> .ticket 54
15:24 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #54 (Postfix Server) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/54
15:24 < mmcgrath> wow, 54. long time ago.
15:24 * ricky gets here
15:24 < mmcgrath> ricky: word up?
15:24 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: 54 we had a box up and were waiting on bits to drop in epel
15:25 * dgilmore let that slip from mind
15:25 < dgilmore> :(
15:25 * mmcgrath wonders if that box is still around somewhere.
15:25 < dgilmore> if it is xen1 or xen2
15:25 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: no worries. It seemed like a really big deal when we first started talking about it but then things changed and it just wasn't a big deal anymore.
15:25 -!- MrBawb [i=abob guppy drown org] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:25 < mmcgrath> but spam headers are a service we should be providing to our users.
15:26 < mmcgrath> we'll talk about that next time.
15:26 < mmcgrath> moving on
15:26 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- FAS2
15:26 < mmcgrath> So this is about ready to go. I'm finalizing some of the shell creation scripts.
15:26 < mmcgrath> we still need to test to verify apache can auth against our new password hash.
15:27 < ricky> I somehow doubt it.
15:27 < ricky> Apache's idea of md5 is a very custom combination of md5 hashes.
15:27 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, thats my concern too. If nothing else we'll have to add another field to the db with an apache hash field.
15:27 < mmcgrath> or use pam or something.
15:27 < mmcgrath> there's options there so we're not screwed or anything but its the one last bit that we haven't really looked at.
15:28 < mmcgrath> I suspect next week will be very interesting.
15:28 < ricky> Yeah. Trac's the main use, right?
15:28 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, but we also use it with nagios, cacti and a couple of other places I think.
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15:29 < ricky> Aha, OK. Nice apache integration would be best, then.
15:29 < mmcgrath> other then that we're a go for next week. I'm going to get a feel for what my weeks going to look like with pycon and all but I'm hoping early next week for a deploy.
15:29 < mmcgrath> then spending the rest of that week and next fixing any bugs that show up.
15:30 < mmcgrath> has everyone here had a chance to look at it? Any concerns?
15:30 < f13> if you break my ability to get the beta out, I'll hurt you (:
15:31 < ricky> This might be a slightly lower priority at the moment, but I'd be nice to mizmo/the art team about polishing it up a bit.
15:31 < ricky> **it'd
15:31 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Are we going to stick it on app3/4/5 or a new set of app servers?
15:31 < ricky> In terms of features, the main thing left is email verification, and we've made good progress on that.
15:32 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: actually I'm going to put it on its own set of servers. I think this round it will be worth it to have a separation between sysadmin-web and the keys to the castle :)
15:32 < abadger1999> Sounds good.
15:32 < mmcgrath> we recently got another xen box (as in installed yesterday) 8 procs 32G ram.
15:32 < ricky> Nice.
15:33 < mmcgrath> We'll be moving some stuff off of xen2 on to it and dedicating xen2 entirely to releng and build related things.
15:33 < mmcgrath> the new box is xen7, proxy2 is on it now. I'm going to let it run for a few days under load and make sure its good to go.
15:34 < mmcgrath> alrighty. so thats all I've got that I really wanted to talk about.
15:34 < mmcgrath> ricky and toshio are amazing. Thought I'd get that out of the way too. I expect to say it a few more times before this whole thing is over :)
15:34 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
15:34 < ricky> How will we be handling FAS2 deployment? Making it an RPM?
15:34 * mpdehaan raises hand
15:35 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, we'll have an rpm to deploy. both a client and server.
15:35 < mpdehaan> I would like to bring up the public Cobbler server idea. If you guys can get me a virt instance that is publically accessible that is pretty much all I need.
15:35 * ricky just mentions that for the TODO - abadger1999's probably the expert on python packaging
15:35 < mpdehaan> and can maintain it for life from there
15:35 < mmcgrath> .announce We've had a burp on one of our servers, some web services (wiki) and koji will be down for a moment.
15:35 < zodbot> Announcement from my owner (mmcgrath): We've had a burp on one of our servers, some web services (wiki) and koji will be down for a moment.
15:35 < mmcgrath> mpdehaan: ok so here's the thing
15:36 < mmcgrath> we don't really do stuff like that "a cobbler server" thats maintained by a person.
15:36 < mpdehaan> well, team then
15:36 < abadger1999> ricky: You seem to the model doing what you want so I'll start work on packaging.
15:36 < abadger1999> Oops. Right after bugzilla sync :-(
15:36 < mmcgrath> if you're going to have a web service (like transifex for example) you'll have to partner or join the sysadmin-web team and convince one of them to bring it up on a public test.
15:36 < mmcgrath> once its through with the testing we'll need to move it to production and create an SOP for it so we can all admin it and stuff.
15:37 < ricky> abadger1999: Great- thanks a lot!
15:37 < mpdehaan> yeah, so I need to join who and it's not a RFR but something else?
15:37 < mmcgrath> the RFR is fine, its what we'll reference when we have questions and things about the service.
15:37 < mpdehaan> so where do I join sysadmin-web-team and who is "convince who" ?
15:37 < mmcgrath> convince someone on the team to help you.
15:38 < mpdehaan> ok, so where's that?
15:38 < mpdehaan> as far as help goes, I'm willing to set it up and write all the docs for how to maintain it and clone it, etc
15:39 < mmcgrath> mpdehaan: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/dump-group.cgi?group=sysadmin-web
15:39 < mmcgrath> also
15:39 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FIGs when dgilmore brings the wiki back up.
15:39 < mpdehaan> ok I may harass Seth then
15:39 < skvidal> oh dear
15:39 < skvidal> what?
15:39 < mmcgrath> Is anyone here interested in sponsoring mpdehaan ?
15:40 < skvidal> I'll do it
15:40 < mmcgrath> mpdehaan: he's on the team so yeah, you could nag him.
15:40 < mpdehaan> thank you
15:40 < mmcgrath> solid.
15:40 < skvidal> what did I just volunteer for?
15:40 < skvidal> :)
15:40 * skvidal kids
15:41 < mmcgrath> heh
15:41 < mmcgrath> I've got one other thing I'd like to discuss
15:41 < mmcgrath> I have some wiki edits and changes I'd like to request, is anyone here interested in getting those in and done?
15:41 < mmcgrath> its a partial re-org and clean up. it'd be a good way to get involved for people that don't typically work with Infrastructure.
15:41 < dgilmore> skvidal: you volunteered to feed us all for a month
15:41 < mmcgrath> .title http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FIGs
15:42 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Infrastructure/FIGs - Fedora Project Wiki
15:42 < mmcgrath> mpdehaan: ^^^ its up
15:42 < mmcgrath> jima: you around
15:42 < skvidal> dgilmore: excellent, hope you like vegetarian food :)
15:42 < dgilmore> skvidal: im down with that
15:42 < gkrpan> mmcgrath: what all is involved in the edits/changes?
15:42 < abadger1999> Mm mm roasted tomatoes and matzo ball soup.
15:43 < mmcgrath> gkrpan: well, we've got this RFR section that is kind of out dated. I'd like people to start using tickets now that we have a ticketing system.
15:43 < mmcgrath> so I want someone to go through all the RFR's, close them or move them to a ticket (after contacting the author first)
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15:43 < spoleeba> mmcgrath, please tell me you have a something in mind next that can use the acronym NEWTONS
15:43 < mmcgrath> I'd also like someones eyes to look over the GettingStarted page and make sure it still makes sense.
15:43 < gkrpan> well, I am trying to become familiar with things, and have always (unfortunately) been good with documentation, so I'd be willing to give it a shot
15:44 < skvidal> abadger1999: heh
15:44 < mmcgrath> spoleeba: I'll see what I can do.
15:44 < mmcgrath> gkrpan: can you drop me an email mmcgrath redhat com ?
15:44 < gkrpan> sure can
15:44 < mmcgrath> gkrpan: excellent, thank you very much.
15:44 < mmcgrath> alrighty, so thats all that I have. Does anyone have anything else? If not we'll close the meeting in 30
15:45 < ricky> Are we ready for upgrading FC6 boxes?
15:46 < ricky> As in, what is that still blocking on?
15:46 < f13> I don't want to bump releng1 during the beta freeze cycle
15:46 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah. Someone from the web team needs to verify that transifex runs correctly on app4. I'm pretty sure it does.
15:46 < mmcgrath> then we can destroy app3.
15:46 < f13> but after beta is released, I want to bump releng1 -> releng2
15:46 < mmcgrath> after that its just test servers and releng1.
15:46 < mmcgrath> <nod>
15:46 < mmcgrath> so that will be taken care of.
15:46 < f13> but I'm seeing some selinux issues I need to sort out first in some testing here
15:47 < ricky> mmcgrath: OK, I'll mention that to glezos - would testing on publictest3 be fine as well?
15:47 < ricky> Er, actually, that shouldn't matter.
15:47 < mmcgrath> ricky: <nod>
15:47 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else?
15:48 < mmcgrath> we'll close in 30
15:49 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting closed!
15:49 < mmcgrath> thanks for coming everyone.