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Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

Well, except for those for-profit institutions like the ITT Techs, Brown-Mackie Colleges, Strayer Universities and others of that ilk that have popped up everywhere. But then they don't offer scholarships and have sports because it's bad for the bottom line.

Not always true, Grand Canyon University is about to become a division 1 athletic program.

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Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

I think his answer would be that UMass shouldn't offer sports if they can't pay for themselves.

Pretty much.

Boston Red, UMASS only has two sports that lose money: Baseball and Softball. Hockey makes just under $200,000 each year. No other sport they have makes any real money, but only baseball and softball lose money.

Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Bob Sheed

Could have fooled me.

They seems QUITE business-like to me.

Last I checked, most universities are registered as non-profit institutions without an ownership structure, where all revenues are put back into the university. Not exactly a normal structure used by a business. If they were businesses, they'd have private owners or shareholders and profits left over after expenses would be distributed to the owners rather than reinvested in the institution.

Burn down the disco. Hang the blessed DJ. Because the music that he constantly plays, it says nothing to me about my life.

Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

Last I checked, most universities are registered as non-profit institutions without an ownership structure, where all revenues are put back into the university. Not exactly a normal structure used by a business. If they were businesses, they'd have private owners or shareholders and profits left over after expenses would be distributed to the owners rather than reinvested in the institution.

When your company/business/institution is moving around hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, they are certainly operating a business. They are paying employees, they are selling a product. Just because they aren't sharing some profits and are taking any "profit" and just placing it in a general fund doesn't change that they have employees and are selling a product.

Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

College athletics used to be an educational entity that generated revenue on a non-profit basis. Now they've become a revenue generating entity that hides behind the educational non-profit status. That difference has made it more characteristic of a business, although it doesn't technically "profit." But when you consider how much ADs and coaches are making, it's hard to argue that it's not functioning as a business.

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Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

you think there's ever a point that Congress steps in and says this is outside the purpose of universities and colleges in this nation and starts taxing these ridiculous tv contracts either on the network level or on the conference level? B1G has talked about getting upwards of 40 Million PER SCHOOL for their share of the B10 Network. You can't tell me some politicians wouldn't love to get a hold of that. Just think of what sort of bacon they could take home for that money!

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Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Slyder

you think there's ever a point that Congress steps in and says this is outside the purpose of universities and colleges in this nation and starts taxing these ridiculous tv contracts either on the network level or on the conference level? B1G has talked about getting upwards of 40 Million PER SCHOOL for their share of the B10 Network. You can't tell me some politicians wouldn't love to get a hold of that. Just think of what sort of bacon they could take home for that money!

Less money to Ohio State football = less votes in Columbus. You can do just about anything and still get elected, but you can't hurt the most popular sports team in your district.

Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

Originally Posted by Slyder

you think there's ever a point that Congress steps in and says this is outside the purpose of universities and colleges in this nation and starts taxing these ridiculous tv contracts either on the network level or on the conference level? B1G has talked about getting upwards of 40 Million PER SCHOOL for their share of the B10 Network. You can't tell me some politicians wouldn't love to get a hold of that. Just think of what sort of bacon they could take home for that money!

Of course the lobbying fees that members of Congress gets from the colleges, conferences, etc. will cause them to think twice about taxing them.

Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

I have a problem with Arian Foster making this claim. If he takes money then that is on both Tennessee and Foster. But I can't get behind this claim:

In an interview for a documentary called "Schooled: The Price of College Sports," Foster said he received extra payments so he could afford rent and food while playing at Tennessee. An excerpt of the documentary was obtained by and posted on SI.com.

Scholarship athletes are given a stipend for room and board if they do not live on campus. I don't know what that is or how much it amounts to, but if Foster didn't want to go "hungry" as he says he could have stayed on campus and live in the dorm. I would want to know what he did with his stipend before he started asking for money.

Its been the "it" think to do right now is jump down the NCAA's throat about paying athletes. It is a problem and it is something that needs to be addressed. I have yet to see a feasible or even practical plan recommended. But when stories like this about Foster come out a lot of critical information is left out in order to attack the NCAA.

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