Tokyo 2020 Qualification rules

People can call me ignorant, but I don`t understand why is the America continent divided into North America and South America when it comes to FIVB tournaments, but then we have the Pan American Games and Pan American Cup where all these teams compete together.

Quality, imho.I think that both NORCECA and South America have an overall better quality than Africa (or Oceania). Their best two teams are highly probable better than their first team.If course it's possible I'm wrong about their quality and/or about the idea of overall respecting this presumed quality (so 1 spot for South America for me isn't enough, while 3 are probably too much, if for example Argentina and Brazil qualify in WOT/IOT and let's say Venezuela in the CQT)

You are contradicting by yourself If it is about quality, be it all European who are better than Argentina

People can call me ignorant, but I don`t understand why is the America continent divided into North America and South America when it comes to FIVB tournaments, but then we have the Pan American Games and Pan American Cup where all these teams compete together.

a WC-type event where 3 top teams qualify (the 12 teams would be WCh winner, plus 2 from each continent, plus a host country).

then continental Q tournaments (5 spots).

then all those not qualified, let's say the leftover top 8 in the world, would then compete for the last 3 spots.

Exactly, I think it would be the most fair order for the exact reason you expressed in the first quote: no offense, but I prefer many European teams (plus Iran) to – let's say – Venezuela and undersomething Cuba. Obviously if Venezuela will beat Argentina in their CQT, congrats to them

You are contradicting by yourself If it is about quality, be it all European who are better than Argentina

No, I'm not My point is: the qualification should be arranged in order to (ideally) express the quality of the CONTINENTS, not the quality of the teams in itself.

So, for me NORCECA, South America and Asia+Oceania all deserve 2 spots, Africa 1, Europe 5 (or 4 if you don't consider Japan in the 2 of the AVC, but I would).That doesn't necessarily mean the 6th European team isn't better than Argentina or Iran, but for me it would be unbalanced having 6/7 European teams and only spot one for the other continents, plus the host.[for the female I would change the numbers a bit, for example adding spot for Asia]

If the CQT would be held first, Brazil and USA would probably get that spot, potentially leaving too much (too much for me, of course – others may think otherwise) space to Europe in WOT and IOT (plus 1 from the European CQT), and potentially leaving out (in this example) both Canada and Argentina.[I'm just imagining the scenario with all 'free' spot to Europe, obviously Canada and Argentina can qualify trough IOT and WOT as well]

On the other hand, as ossubtus explained, I wouldn't like the CQT as last tournament because if Brazil, Argentina, USA, Canada had already qualified we may end up with more teams from America than reasonable (again, reasonable in my opinion, other could think it's reasonable to have 3 teams from NORCECA and 3 from South America).

[All this thought are based on the most probable results of these QTs, obviously it's theoretically possible – for example – than Brazil doesn't qualify at all. Or that Canada beat USA un the CQT, and so on.]

Some people here need to learn the real meaning of the Olympic games ASAP

No, it shouldn't be all about Europe and no, we haven't forgotten about the real meaning of the Olympics. According to the ancient Olympic slogan, however, everyone should have the right to participate. And unlike most (individual) disciplines where you might just pass the qualification time/result/minimum, team games are a different story. Hence, the continent where the best volleyball is played on average and where most of the best players earn their salaries is at a disadvantage. Not because they should all qualify but because they don't have the chance to try to participate/qualify. This is the whole difference! Besides, the "participation only" slogan is long void, sports nowadays is an industry and participation only is not enough. I will just leave the scandals, the doping cases, etc., here, without launching a further discussion on it. This is why they should either alter the format (as of now, inapplicable), reduce the overall importance of the Olympic volleyball tournament (like in football, but who knows if it will be a good idea), or change the qualification process by either distributing quotas properly (I am sorry, the quotas in Rio were very pro-American and anti-European, we know who the FIVB president is; this might be the best scenario, though) or dropping the continental ones and leaving it to the best teams (I am not a fan of this idea either!).

I agree that Europe should have more slots, there is no discussion on that. When I talked about the meaning of the Olympic games I was referring to some people simply wanting to put the 12 best ranked teams in the world, which would obviously leave Africa completely out of the tournament.

That's what I read before too, but today I came accross different info here.

According to this, there will be three stages again. World Cup is essentially replaced by World Qualifying Tournament, with pretty much the same formula: 12 teams (host, world champion, 2 best ranked teams per continent), top 3 qualify for the Olympics.

After that, there will be continental qualifiers, with one qualifying quota per continent, like before.

And finally, the best 12 ranked teams not already qualified will be divided into three groups of four teams, and the winners go to Tokyo.

That's what I read before too, but today I came accross different info here.

According to this, there will be three stages again. World Cup is essentially replaced by World Qualifying Tournament, with pretty much the same formula: 12 teams (host, world champion, 2 best ranked teams per continent), top 3 qualify for the Olympics.

After that, there will be continental qualifiers, with one qualifying quota per continent, like before.

And finally, the best 12 ranked teams not already qualified will be divided into three groups of four teams, and the winners go to Tokyo.

So they destroyed the World Cup (a fascinating tournament loved by everyone) and replaced it with...another tournament doing the same? RIP Vabochan, you'll be missed.

It may have often seemed exciting (when not boring on the last few days) for the fans but it wasn't the case for the teams. I have heard more coaches complain about the format than praise it or enjoy it. Most of the complaints I know were that the formula is, I am quoting, 'a massacre'. Still, the format will probably remain.

It may have often seemed exciting (when not boring on the last few days) for the fans but it wasn't the case for the teams. I have heard more coaches complain about the format than praise it or enjoy it. Most of the complaints I know were that the formula is, I am quoting, 'a massacre'. Still, the format will probably remain.

That's what I read before too, but today I came accross different info here.

According to this, there will be three stages again. World Cup is essentially replaced by World Qualifying Tournament, with pretty much the same formula: 12 teams (host, world champion, 2 best ranked teams per continent), top 3 qualify for the Olympics.

After that, there will be continental qualifiers, with one qualifying quota per continent, like before.

And finally, the best 12 ranked teams not already qualified will be divided into three groups of four teams, and the winners go to Tokyo.

If this is true, the qualifying system remains basically the same.

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As per latest news :

1 ticket host Japan

3 tickets WQT (12 teams = host , WCh, 2 best teams from continents)

3 tickets 3 tournaments = 12 best (not qualified) teams as per FIVB ranking based on 1st January 2019

5 tickets Continental tournaments (terms/rules - unknown)

Such combination with last step Continental qualification looks ok as stronger qualified teams will not participate.

FIVB and IOC have to announce final decision with all dates latest in Feb. 2019.

I still cannot believe why FIVB use such unclear systems modified for each OG qualification ?

Such combination with last step Continental qualification looks ok as stronger qualified teams will not participate.

I wish it was other way around. Best teams from each continents should qualify and then the leftover teams should fight at the WQT and other tournaments. Otherwise, Argentina, Dominic Republic and Thailand would qualify instead of European teams although they don't deserve it

I wish it was other way around. Best teams from each continents should qualify and then the leftover teams should fight at the WQT and other tournaments. Otherwise, Argentina, Dominic Republic and Thailand would qualify instead of European teams although they don't deserve it

I do not understand your way of thinking.

I do not see difference as most probably the same number of CEV teams can be qualified but please think twice.

Best three teams from WQT will be qualified let say each from other continent (1x Norceca, 1x CSV and 1x CEV), three other best teams can get tickets from 3 FIVB tournaments (I bet 3 x CEV) and finally one more can be added via continental tournament (one more from CEV). It means 5 CEV but the last CEV ticket can be granted for non qualified team (at least 4 strong European teams are already excluded). In the past it was the other way max 1-2 CEV teams got tickets and Continental tournament was second chance for most of teams and it was too difficult for middle class teams as strong Russia, Italy, France, Poland or Serbia participated. These middle class CEV teams have no chance to participate in any other step of OG qualification due to low ranking.