Just because I feel that suicide is selfish and didn't post my life story, does not mean that I don't know anything about the subject. I don't feel a need to post my personal experience every time I post my opinion. Men I was deployed with to Afghanistan have committed suicide. I saw the hurt and confusion this caused their families. My mother also attempted suicide when I was younger. So just because someone does not agree w/something and doesn't feel the need to post exactly why they feel that way does not mean they don't have knowledge of the subject. Am I an expert on the subject? No. I've never personally tried it. But in every situation I've seen personally, it has been selfish in my eyes.

And the whole thing about one opinion having more validity than the other. Well thats the thing about opinions. It doesn't matter how you come up with it. Unless it's a proven FACT, then an OPINION is an OPINION.
And if it comes out that Junior had some inoperable disease and discussed shooting himself in advance w/his family. After he explained that there was no hope for him and this was just to save the pain of the disease and they all were ok with it, then in that case I don't think he was selfish. So when that side of the story comes out i'll retract my earlier statements.

You know what's really selfish? Hijacking a thread to argue about a sensitive subject that most of us haven't had the misfortune of experiencing.
I was saddened to hear about Junior, hopefully his wife, children and friends can get the support they need to deal with this incident.

(05-04-2012 03:11 PM)mrgonzodad Wrote: You know what's really selfish? Hijacking a thread to argue about a sensitive subject that most of us haven't had the misfortune of experiencing.
I was saddened to hear about Junior, hopefully his wife, children and friends can get the support they need to deal with this incident.

Gonzo... As always you speak the truth and well put. Only Junior knew what made him feel this was the best way out. You can label him a coward, somebody that took a shortcut.... Or you can just say the man was in an incredible amount of pain and was not able to find relief.

I was stationed in San Diego for 15 years, you could not help but idolize Junior, all the good he did and the energy he brought to sports. He will be missed and I hope he finds peace on the other side.
Terrible Story and a great man..