English Defence League Website Apparently Taken Down For Telling The Truth About Islam

Today the English Defence League Website has been suspended, apparently because of an article that describes, using suras from the Quran, how Islam looks on the Kuffar (non-Muslims). This latest act of censorship is reminiscent of the way Geert Wilders’ short film, Fitna, has been demonised for revealing truth. Wilders juxtaposed Quranic quotes with acts of terror, the article in question did not even go that far. It seems that the thought police are about their work again, suppressing debate, denying reality, and bolstering established interests.

Apparently the reason provided for this blatant act of censorship was that the article ‘contravenes UK racism laws’. If this is the case then it means one of two things, that the Quran itself contravenes UK racism laws or Islam has an exemption from UK racism laws, and is treated as a special case. Since the Quran is still available for sale on the shelves of UK bookshops it must mean that the latter is true. That being so effectively means that the UK is already under a form of Sharia law which demands that Islam is above criticism and completely outside the realm of rational debate. When the Racial and Religious Hatred Act was put before Parliament the British people were assured that freedom of expression would not be a casualty. It would appear that the British people were seriously misled and that the Racial and Religious Hatred Act was nothing other than a Sharia enabling act designed specifically to usher in a period of Islamic rule.

Promoting hatred is wrong and if our legislation exempts religiously inspired hatred then the laws currently on the statute book is not fit for purpose. All the law seems to do these days is empower those who want to undermine freedom and equality before the law, and discriminate against those who want to protect the British way of life. This is wrong and is an affront to our democratic system of government because it acts as the handmaiden of tyranny. Far from promoting multiculturalism, such legislation is effectively promoting the monoculture of Islam. Our legal system has effectively been subverted and is now simply a crude instrument of Islamic da’wa.

It is amusing to think of the great and the good cowering in their holes simply because they are chilled to the bone over the revelation of the truth. They construct a picture of the world that is not based on reality but on their feelings, and their desire to push forward the programme of globalisation without regard to culture or popular will.

The elephant is in the room, and the EDL is pointing to it. The ‘elite’ is acutely aware that the EDL is fully capable of mobilising large scale support and making it impossible for them to continue to hide their distortions and false premises. They worry that the truth will be revealed to the masses with such clarity that only the imbecilic and the corrupt can deny its presence.

It seems that the authorities really fear the EDL, and fear it because it occupies the intellectual high ground. Those who currently rule Britannia perhaps spent too much time in the smoky haze of the 1960s if they imagine that people cannot see what they are up to and that people will fail to peacefully oppose them and their nefarious scheming.

I don't know if this is widely or explicitly admitted or not but it is obvious that a critical part of modern leftism involves willfully ignoring facts that are obviously true, about minority behavior and intelligence. These have been shouted down in various psuedo-scientific ways for decades; these argumente are no longer credible if they ever were but they are at least arguments.

Noticing that the Koran says what it says, as is the case with the EDL and Wilders, is different. There is not an alternate explanation for these things, and if it was offered Islamic fascists at high levels would assure us, as they regularly do, that they really do intend to kill or subjugate all us filthy infidels.

Since the Quran is still available for sale on the shelves of UK bookshops it must mean that the latter is true. That being so effectively means that the UK is already under a form of Sharia law which demands that Islam is above criticism and completely outside the realm of rational debate.

As noted later in the article, this represents unequal protection under the law and there cannot but be language on the British books that forbids such iniquity.

Thrasymachus: … a critical part of modern leftism involves willfully ignoring facts that are obviously true …

Gates of Vienna's rules about comments require that they be civil, temperate, on-topic, and show decorum. Your comment violated the last of these rules. We keep a PG-13 blog, and exclude foul language, explicit descriptions, and epithets. This is why I deleted your comment.

Use of asterisks is also an appropriate alternative.

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Ex-Dissident said...

Perhaps I will start a new religious movement that will have as its focus, [micturating] on korans.

I’ve a question. Was the removal of the EDL site at the request of or on the order of the government, or was it the decision and action of a private web-server corporation. Only the former would constitute actual censorship, and the EDL’s response to that would necessarily be different from its course of action against, or around, the dhimmitude of a privately or publically owned business.

Excellent cartoon link, HH. The baseball bat attack analogy is comparable to nuanced language that surfaced during the final decades of last century per:

"We are slowing down the growth rate of inflation."

Notice how inflation is not actually being stopped in any way, merely its growth rate is being decreased. This gets us back to the cartoon's "right kind of truth" (as in things that aren't entirely bad becoming "very nearly very good" to "achieve a significant re-emphasis of the good bad ratio"), versus actual truth.

This links directly back to Newspeak and the way that the replacement of "bad" with "ungood" and "plus ungood" forces all descriptions into shades of "good" while eliminating any possible terming of something as actually being bad.

Sonic appears to be confusing the rules of civilised societal discourse with the violence of state censorship. It's the difference between voluntary limitation of personal speech and a universally enforced limitation of the right to speech.

There are words I don't use, pictures I don't look at, activities I don't engage in and people I don't want to associate with - the key here is that I don't do it. So long as I don't attempt to use the apparatus of the state to enforce my voluntary limitations of myself on everyone outside my property, either in the public sphere or on their property, there is no censorship.

There is no such thing as hate speech. There is speech. You may well be offended by what I say but you no more have the right to stop me saying it than I have the right to stop you telling me how much you are offended. If I'm polite then I'll stop saying it around you out of politeness - and if not, then I won't. That's the consequence of a right to free speech. Limiting speech takes away the right to free speech in total, transforming it from a state-protected right into a state-granted privilege that can be taken away at any point. Using the threat of criminal prosecution to limit free speech in the public sphere is simple state-enforced violence against "things that I don't like", transforming the state from something that is there to guarantee our rights into something that is there to enforce an ethical code - not even moral, but ethical.

Wilders was pointing out that Dutch law bans hate speech, but that the Koran, filled with such hate speech as defined by dutch law, was not banned. He was highlighting an inconsistency in the way the law was enforced and asking that it be remedied. If A is banned, and B is not banned, yet both A and B are the same, why are they not both banned?

He wasn't simply saying "I don't like it and it should therefore be banned", but "Dutch law bans speech the like of which is contained in the Koran, therefore by your own rules it should be banned."

The inconsistency of application of the law demonstrates that it is bad law. That is what he was trying to point out.

Actually it does address the point. You asked how "we" feel about Wilders wanting to ban the Koran. I explained that Wilders doesn't want to ban the koran and was merely making a point about the inconsistency of the application of Dutch hate-speech law. Now you're asking a completely different question. You can have my answer after you accept that changing the question moving the goal posts after you don't get the answer you want is a very childish debating tactic.

I prefer to use civilized language, as Baron prefers, too.But my point was about censorship,for what I perceive to be a minor violation, especially since there aren't too many many 13 years old, entertaining discussions about Islam and EDL (maybe I am wrong).....Oh, well, we have better things to talk about.

Archonix: Now you're asking a completely different question. You can have my answer after you accept that changing the question [and] moving the goal posts after you don't get the answer you want is a very childish debating tactic.

Oh, for goodness' sake, Cobra -- I didn't censor anybody. I took the trouble to delete and repost the comment with a single word -- a vulgar term for a bodily function -- replaced with a Latinate word that means the same thing. That's hardly censorship -- I used up precious time, of which I have very little to spare, to help make sure the commenter had his say.

In any case, as I've said so many times that I'm sick of it, "censorship" is not even possible here. This is a private forum with its own rules, which were devised at the discretion of the blog's owners. Censorship can only exist when it is performed by a governmental body or its agents.

Was the EDL site taken down because of a breach of the hosting companies Acceptable Use Policy or was it forced by UK government?

One thing I know for sure is there are several UK hosting companies with Muslim Directors who would not tolerate this within there Data Centre space... How do I know this? I work for one... Can't wait to move on tbh... We are always treated as the lower life forms...