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Huh. I never used that trick that often but I don't remember it ever failing me. I did just think that I often have the dev console open for javascripting ... the links can probably be found in there too. It never occurred to me though because I usually have the network messages filtered out.

If anyone else does look at this, pay attention to the button icons. Before I gave up on making KoLmafia behave better in a high DPI display environment, one of the unsolved issues was that the icons seemed to be of a fixed size and nothing I could figure out made them scale.

I have used the Mini-browser when I needed URLs. It has been a while since I needed them and there is an alternative. The one case I am not sure about is when the mini-browser is opened with the expectation that it would display the "current" page. I seem to recall doing that to debug some relay browser problems. My recollection is that I could open it after the fact to get the info (URL) I was most interested in, in contrast to having to enable some logging before doing the action of interest.

Some 'unpublished' automation from zarqon does not know how to handle using the Insults and so it dumps the user into the relay browser to respond manually.

The former might be a reason not to deprecate the mini-browser but the latter would just require a script to be updated.

The other case for keeping it would be if a user had set up their system in such a way that the web browser was not available to KoLmafia. That seems unlikely in 2017 and we could try and detect it and generate an informative message so it is not a strong case. We managed to move on from Java 1.5. Perhaps it is time to move on from the possibility that a user doesn't have a web browser available to KoLmafia?

I've used the mini browser successfully to get choice automation urls in the past few months - whenever I last needed to add something to BCA. If removing it from the Toolbar and General menu makes mafia better, great. I'll deal. If we're just removing it because it's not a pleasant experience to play KoL in, then I'd suggest leaving it in the General menu, even if the toolbar icon disappears.

Is this still useful? KoL itself is so dependent on Javascript that this is a very deficient version of the Browser experience

I had some stuff typed up, then read more of the thread. Interestingly, there is a GUI option for a debug log (Help -> Start/Stop Debug Log), but nothing for trace, so I went a long time without realizing that was an option.

"Relay Server" -> "LocalRelayServer"

This is not really a "Frame". It is a directive to start the Relay Browser on startup. Does it work?

It works very well. It doesn't actually start the relay browser, but it does start the relay server so that my browser can open the relay. Without this I need to use the button on the toolbar first. For me it removes some awkwardness from the process.

That is the only thing that is in initialFrames by default (and that's how I use it), so that a new user can start to use KoLmafia without being completely overwhelmed by its GUI. The default value does actually open a browser page, but (as Bale has done) you can change that by setting it to open as a "tab" instead of as a "window".

It's true. But as the title of this thread is about revamping the toolbar, and we've wandered on to non-toolbar components of mafia to be removed, it seemed only polite to pretend that we were still fully in context.

That to say, I like and use the mini-browser. It still serves a purpose for me. If it's removed, I'll deal with my sense of loss by looking at source more awkwardly instead. Why can't modern browsers make it as easy to read source as IE3 did?