I haven't ever thrown a crystal buzzz but I have heard that the buzz is more stable than overstable. Right now, I am throwing roc's as my stable midrange but im looking for something to throw in 40 mph winds, to finish hard left and for trick shots.

I use a max wt. Z Wasp.
I like the feel of the wasp/buzz, and there is a lot of room to vary your stability with plastics and weights while still using essentially the same disc.
My straight mid is a 168 X Wasp, or a midnight Z buzz.
My understable mid is a 168 DX Buzz.

thought about trying a champ gator or drone, but the wasp is stable enough for me.

krusen wrote:I use a max wt. Z Wasp.I like the feel of the wasp/buzz, and there is a lot of room to vary your stability with plastics and weights while still using essentially the same disc.My straight mid is a 168 X Wasp, or a midnight Z buzz.My understable mid is a 168 DX Buzz.

thought about trying a champ gator or drone, but the wasp is stable enough for me.

The buzz is more stable than overstable. I use an mrx for overstable, for extremely overstable, headwinds I use the demon.

After a detailed study of Joe's Universal Flight Chart I am thinking I would be happy with either a Drone or Demon. And I am leaning towards Drone because the Demon looks to be a little on the over-done side of things. I had originally been considering a max wieght z-Wasp in this spot because it would be a lot like my Rocs. But I saw someone throwing one, on my card last week, into a thirty mph wind, and it flipped over.

Ok! I found some info about the Ram. Do you think I would like it as a midrange? It sounds more like a driver. Also, I hestitate to start using a disc that is out of production just because of the extra exspense in aquiring them.

asimo wrote:I haven't ever thrown a crystal buzzz but I have heard that the buzz is more stable than overstable. Right now, I am throwing roc's as my stable midrange but im looking for something to throw in 40 mph winds, to finish hard left and for trick shots.

i think a disc that fits this 'mold' is the champ gator. it's much more overstable than a max weight z wasp... i haven't thrown a ram before but my guess is the gator is a little more tame. i really like the way it feels in the hand too. i use mine for trick shots; spike hyzers (even in a big headwind it'll work), sidearm rollers (more like a tomahawk roller where you don't play a flip.. get it down early, release at the angle you want it to land, and snap it hard = lots of spin to roll), big fade shots, and approaches where i want to land and sit (no messin' around with gliding past the target) plus they'll be around for a while so you can always get more.
i haven't tried those gateway molds, yet (demon etc.) but the gator is the perfect overstable midrange for me... like a midrange version of the monster; they both have very square edges and are fast with little glide. i can't imagine any headwind keeping it from fading... when it happens i guess i'll look for a ram or a champ whippet X (those are pretty rediculous, too)

I've been told that demon, drone, and gator are comparible. I'm not sure about the gator since I've seen it in champion plastic. I've never thrown the gator. But, I prefer the demon to the drone. One warning, unless you have a monster arm, it turns hard left. Great for the wind and placement shots.