2014 BMW 3 Series Pricing and Ordering Guides

Model Year 2014 3 Series sedan, wagon and GTs and 4 series coupe rolling off the assembly line starting in July. Everyone wants to know what the pricing and changes are for the coming model year (MY) F30 and what we can expect from the all new 4 series coupe F32.

My 2014 3 Series Sedan, Sport Wagon and GT Info

For MY 2014, the following features are standard:

Sport leather steering wheel

Dark Burl Walnut wood trim

BMW Assist eCall

BMW TeleServices

Lines for 2014
As of MY 2014, the Modern Line is discontinued. The Line offer will now consist of Sport Line, Luxury Line and M Sport. Other Line changes include:

Fineline Anthracite wood trim (4CE) is now a no-charge option on Sport Line

Dakota leather Everest Grey is discontinued on Sport Line

What's New for Options & Packages

The Technology Package (ZTP) now includes the next generation Navigation Professional System (iDrive 4.2) with touchpad, as well as Advanced Real Time Traffic Information, BMW Online, Remote Services, BMW Apps (for iOS and Android), Enhanced USB and Bluetooth plus Smartphone Integration and an instrument cluster with extended content. Pricing is $3,150.

Driver Assistance Package (ZDA) now includes PDC (508) and rear-view camera (3AG), at a price of $950. As a consequence, both options are no longer offered as stand-alone.

The stand-alone Navigation (609) option now includes the touchpad, Advanced Real Time Traffic Information, BMW Online, Remote Services, BMW Apps (for iOS and Android), Enhanced USB and Bluetooth plus Smartphone Integration as well as the extended digital instrument cluster. The price of the option is unchanged at $2,150.

Active Cruise Control with Stop & Go (5DF), previously priced $2,400, is now available for $1,200.

New option Concierge Services (6AN) available for $250.

BMW Apps (6NR) is no longer available as stand-alone, but bundled with Technology Package or Navigation.

Side and Top View Cameras (5DL) is available as a stand-alone option for $750.

The all-new BMW 4 Series Coupe marks the beginning of a new era for coupes at BMW. Launched as the latest generation of BMW's sporty mid-size Coupe, the new BMW 4 Series Coupe embodies the very essence of dynamics and aesthetic appeal in the premium segment. The "4" in its title headlines this new product line for the Coupe and emphasizes not only its stand-out design, but that any way you look at it, the new 4 Series Coupe represents something more than its BMW 3 Series cousins – 3+1, if you will. At the same time, as a true BMW Coupe, the new nomenclature brings the new BMW 4 Series Coupe in line with the larger 6 Series and 8 Series Coupes.

The new BMW 4 Series Convertible will be offered in the US as both a 428i, featuring BMW's award-winning TwinPower Turbo 2.0-liter 4-cylinder and as a 435i with the multi-award winning TwinPower Turbo 3.0-liter inline six. Both will feature a standard 8-speed sport automatic transmission. The 428i Convertible will be offered with a choice of rear-wheel drive or with optional xDrive, BMW's intelligent all-wheel drive system, while the 435i Convertible will be available at launch with rear wheel drive. The 2014 BMW 428i Convertible will have a base MSRP of $49,675, and the 2014 BMW 435i Convertible will have a starting price of $55,825. Both prices include $925 destination and handling. The 2014 BMW 4 Series Convertible will arrive in US showrooms in the first quarter of 2014.

Could it be that some info on page 6 of 13 of the F30-guide containing additional info about the M-Line has been cut off?

tim330i commented: May 23, 2013, 11:56 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

Could it be that some info on page 6 of 13 of the F30-guide containing additional info about the M-Line has been cut off?

If you're looking at the 13 page doc then that is the one right from BMW, so no.

Tim

760Lifan commented: May 23, 2013, 12:11 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

If you're looking at the 13 page doc then that is the one right from BMW, so no.

Tim

Thanks!

I was just curious because with all the other lines, it tells you at the end of the line content which order restrictions each package/line has - i.e. "ZMM can't be ordered with ZSL". Although that's obvious, I wanted to find out if ZMM on the MY14 F30 is going to delete the standard 520 Foglights. It probably will but the info is simply missing with ZMM.

AzWildcatG commented: May 23, 2013, 12:14 pm

"Lines for 2014
As of MY 2014, the Modern Line is discontinued. The Line offer will now consist of Sport Line, Luxury Line and M Sport. Other Line changes include:
Fineline Anthracite wood trim (4CE) is now a no-charge option on Sport Line
Dakota leather Everest Grey is discontinued on Sport Line"

Both the Anthracite wood and Everest Grey are on my car. Paid an upgrade for the Anthracite and love it. Very classy!

The price increase on the Destination Change is happening now! My 328i factory order that I just picked up two days ago had the higher rate. The dealership quote/print out had the lower rate and the lower rate was used.

BTW, my factory order Sportline arrived with chrome exhaust tips. I wonder if the black chrome exhaust tips are now discontinued now and for MY2014.

foxmccleod commented: May 23, 2013, 1:10 pm

According to the updated F31 pricing guide, leather is included for free on the luxury line, but not on sport or msport. Any idea if this is a mistake? I would think so, but they note it multiple times as no charge for luxury line.

Leather Dakota in combination with ZLL...NC

It also shows everest grey as a no charge option for the 328d while it is noted as discontinued for the 328i as of 6/13. I assume this is another mistake, though I would love it if this is actually the case.

d geek commented: May 23, 2013, 1:35 pm

Thanks for sharing this Tim

tim330i commented: May 23, 2013, 2:12 pm

2014 F30 3 series sedan, wagon and GT ordering guides added to first post. Should answer most questions in this thread.

Tim

tim330i commented: May 23, 2013, 2:18 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

Thanks!

I was just curious because with all the other lines, it tells you at the end of the line content which order restrictions each package/line has - i.e. "ZMM can't be ordered with ZSL". Although that's obvious, I wanted to find out if ZMM on the MY14 F30 is going to delete the standard 520 Foglights. It probably will but the info is simply missing with ZMM.

So the only differences that i can tell between the standard equipments in the updated pricing guide for F31 made on or after 07/13 and those before are the $500 option sport automatic transmission with paddle shifters and sport leather steering wheel. And for that, the base MSRP went up $1395 for European Delivery and $1500 for US delivery. So for making these two options - i am guessing most don't use or need it - standard, you have to cough up at least an additional $1395.

UPDATE:

Read the wrong column (328d) for pricing. Ignore what I wrote above.

JoeFromPA commented: May 23, 2013, 8:44 pm

Shrinking the difference in price between 328i and 335i by another $200 - interesting. Also surprising the n55 continues on with it's current power ratings/no changes to engine in the 3rd year on the f30. and ~5th year in production.

F34 only available with the added weight and complexity of AWD? That's disappointing.

arktctr commented: May 24, 2013, 1:22 pm

As the title shows, do the brakes with the Standard M Sport dust less, equal or more than the optional upgraded M Sport Brakes (newly available in the US for MY 2014)? If anyone knows the answer that would be great. Thanks!

chris328 commented: May 24, 2013, 1:38 pm

can anyone confirm if there is an m-sport brake delete option for the m-sport package.

chris328 commented: May 24, 2013, 1:41 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by arktctr

As the title shows, do the brakes with the Standard M Sport dust less, equal or more than the optional upgraded M Sport Brakes (newly available in the US for MY 2014)? If anyone knows the answer that would be great. Thanks!

i was under the impression that the m-sport package comes with the m-sport brakes by default (perhaps you are thinking of the m performance brakes). i would like to know if you can order the m-sport package with standard (less dust) brakes.

back with my 2008 the brake dust was absolutely horrendous, i had to clean the wheels every 2 days. it was the worst part of the car, other than the orange peel paint.

ynguldyn commented: May 24, 2013, 2:25 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris328

i was under the impression that the m-sport package comes with the m-sport brakes by default

Not in the US.

tomc1227 commented: May 24, 2013, 10:18 pm

Does anyone have residuals and MF's for 2014 F30s for May?

760Lifan commented: May 24, 2013, 11:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomc1227

Does anyone have residuals and MF's for 2014 F30s for May?

I think that's a bit early. After all, you can't lease a MY14 F30 in May in the first place.

openwheelracing commented: May 25, 2013, 1:50 am

I am confused. Does the 320i come standard with sport steering wheel and dark wood trim?

Or just for 328i and above?

Mikes328xi commented: May 25, 2013, 2:54 pm

The more I read this the more it seems like you can now have the 328xi sedan with a manual transmission. I am reading this correctly?

ynguldyn commented: May 25, 2013, 4:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikes328xi

The more I read this the more it seems like you can now have the 328xi sedan with a manual transmission. I am reading this correctly?

No. Manual transmission is a no charge option only available on 328i, 335i, 335ix. Look for "NC" on ZMT line in the pricing guide.

Mikes328xi commented: May 25, 2013, 4:53 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No. Manual transmission is a no charge option only available on 328i, 335i, 335ix. Look for "NC" on ZMT line in the pricing guide.

Ahh thanks for clearing that up! I dont understand why they wont allow 328xi to have the MT option. It's all I want!

Thanks for the correction. I was looking at the wrong column at the one for 328d !

agtprvctr commented: May 27, 2013, 4:43 pm

Does anyone have any idea what actual improvements there are in the "Advanced Real-Time Traffic" option for 2014 vs 2013? Thanks for any insight!

glennQNYC commented: May 27, 2013, 6:03 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by agtprvctr

Does anyone have any idea what actual improvements there are in the "Advanced Real-Time Traffic" option for 2014 vs 2013? Thanks for any insight!

I saw it profiled in a YouTube video. Search idrive 4.2.
If I remember correctly, the new traffic system gets info from the Internet and FM, where the previous setup was purely FM.

agtprvctr commented: May 28, 2013, 5:01 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I saw it profiled in a YouTube video. Search idrive 4.2.
If I remember correctly, the new traffic system gets info from the Internet and FM, where the previous setup was purely FM.

Thanks, looks like the main improvement is indeed the extra source of traffic information from the Internet / crowd-source. Hm, when would we be able to start ordering 2014 F30? My local dealer says it isn't available yet; do orders not start until production starts 7/13??

BarryL commented: May 29, 2013, 1:11 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by agtprvctr

Thanks, looks like the main improvement is indeed the extra source of traffic information from the Internet / crowd-source. Hm, when would we be able to start ordering 2014 F30? My local dealer says it isn't available yet; do orders not start until production starts 7/13??

I was told you could put an order in today. I will probably do my order for a 335i xdrive M Sport this week.

xuesheng commented: May 29, 2013, 5:46 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryL

I was told you could put an order in today. I will probably do my order for a 335i xdrive M Sport this week.

Getting close to doing that myself!

Hockeypuck commented: May 29, 2013, 9:59 pm

If you order a 335 within the next couple of weeks, will it be built with any of the 2014 upgrades?

jaktv commented: May 29, 2013, 10:04 pm

Have anyone been able to place an order for the f34 yet?. I am looking to place an order for ED. Wandering what how much above invoice I am expected to pay?

BarryL commented: May 29, 2013, 10:21 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockeypuck

If you order a 335 within the next couple of weeks, will it be built with any of the 2014 upgrades?

Did they have MF and residuals for the 2014 already? What #'s did they base your quote off of? Thanks!

BarryL commented: May 30, 2013, 12:56 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Sounds like confirmation that Active Cruise and M Sport no longer conflict in 2014. Can't wait to see how the sensor is implemented on that nose.

Two good things for 2014. Availability and pricing. Active cruise control option went from $2200 (IIRC) to $1200. My guess is the sensor was re-designed, maybe smaller? To properly fit M-Sport front bumper cover. Only conflict I saw was ZMT (manual Trans). I can see an issue there!

BarryL commented: May 30, 2013, 12:59 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by E92Carrera

Did they have MF and residuals for the 2014 already? What #'s did they base your quote off of? Thanks!

Price I was quoted was ED Invoice + $750. I don't think bmwconfig is updated yet with 2014 models. The discount percentages were the saw from 2013 models.

franchisesforsa commented: May 30, 2013, 2:36 am

Thank for the information.

x6_NJ commented: May 31, 2013, 2:15 am

Production of 2014 starts on 7/13 but BMW must have plenty of orders at least month in advance. So I am guessing we all should be able to place our ED order by mid of June.

As soon as someone managed to place ED 2014 order - please let all us know.

Bimmer3oi commented: June 3, 2013, 1:20 pm

i initiated an ED order last Friday (05/31) afternoon for a 2014 335i MSport (F30)...while i was in his office, the salesman called up the "European Delivery office" (on the east coast?), and they confirmed that ED of the 2014s "launches" on August 12. I put down a deposit, and submitted the order request form for Aug 16 pick up. I am still waiting to hear the final/official confirmation that August 16 is a GO.

tim330i commented: June 3, 2013, 1:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer3oi

i initiated an ED order last Friday (05/31) afternoon for a 2014 335i MSport...while i was in his office, the salesman called up the "European Delivery office" (on the east coast?), and they confirmed that ED of the 2014s "launches" on August 12. I put down a deposit, and submitted the order request form for Aug 16 pick up. I am still waiting to hear the final/official confirmation that August 16 is a GO.

Awesome! So you have an ED spot for a F32 4 series locked in. Now you're just waiting on pricing and final details?

Tim

Bimmer3oi commented: June 3, 2013, 1:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

Awesome! So you have an ED spot for a F32 4 series locked in. Now you're just waiting on pricing and final details?

i ordered a 2014 F30 335i...and the pricing is also agreed to (invoice + X)...since i couldn't find actual 2014 invoice pricing, i had extrapolated the numbers using the available 2013 wholesale pricing, and it turned out my numbers matched almost exactly to the 2014 wholesale pricing the salesman showed me

as i mentioned, although i was verbally told my date was good, i am still waiting on an official e-mail or something confirming that a slot is guaranteed for me for August 16.

tim330i commented: June 3, 2013, 1:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer3oi

i ordered a 2014 F30 335i...and the pricing is also agreed to (invoice + X)...since i couldn't find actual 2014 invoice pricing, i had extrapolated the numbers using the available 2013 wholesale pricing, and it turned out my numbers matched almost exactly to the 2014 wholesale pricing the salesman showed me

as i mentioned, although i was verbally told my date was good, i am still waiting on an official e-mail or something confirming that a slot is guaranteed for me for August 16.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Keep us updated.

Tim

anthon683 commented: June 3, 2013, 4:12 pm

Hey... Anyone know if the 2014 F30 Sedan will come with the new Nav in Canada? (Idrive 4.6)

I got the ordering guide and it just says "609 On board Navigation" (does not mention touchpad)

x6_NJ commented: June 4, 2013, 12:57 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer3oi

i initiated an ED order last Friday (05/31) afternoon for a 2014 335i MSport (F30)...while i was in his office, the salesman called up the "European Delivery office" (on the east coast?), and they confirmed that ED of the 2014s "launches" on August 12. I put down a deposit, and submitted the order request form for Aug 16 pick up. I am still waiting to hear the final/official confirmation that August 16 is a GO.

Thanks a lot for your info. I am planning to lock my ED for 335i MSport (F30) tomorrow. Hope it will be August Munich pick up since I am planning to reach South of France by the end of the season.

i initiated an ED order last Friday (05/31) afternoon for a 2014 335i MSport (F30)...while i was in his office, the salesman called up the "European Delivery office" (on the east coast?), and they confirmed that ED of the 2014s "launches" on August 12. I put down a deposit, and submitted the order request form for Aug 16 pick up. I am still waiting to hear the final/official confirmation that August 16 is a GO.

By launches I'm assuming they mean ED deliveries begin August 12th, correct? Let us know as soon as you receive confirmation on your date, submitted my request to my CA today. One of my ED dates was August 16th, so I might see you there!

x6_NJ commented: June 5, 2013, 12:35 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer3oi

i ordered a 2014 F30 335i...and the pricing is also agreed to (invoice + X)...since i couldn't find actual 2014 invoice pricing, i had extrapolated the numbers using the available 2013 wholesale pricing, and it turned out my numbers matched almost exactly to the 2014 wholesale pricing the salesman showed me

as i mentioned, although i was verbally told my date was good, i am still waiting on an official e-mail or something confirming that a slot is guaranteed for me for August 16.

Just sent request to my CA for Aug 14, 15, 16 Munich pick up. Seems like these dates are very popular

snelldogg commented: June 10, 2013, 11:31 am

X6...where did you buy from and what CA did you use?

x6_NJ commented: June 11, 2013, 12:34 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by snelldogg

X6...where did you buy from and what CA did you use?

John Weltzien from Braman Motorcars (West Palm Beach, FL) - made all negotiations via email and phone call at the end. He is currently on vacation till 21 of June but if you email him - he will reply: jweltzien@bramanmc.com

NOw I am waiting for my ED date confirmation. Should be around mid of August.

baloo588 commented: June 14, 2013, 5:55 pm

I'm seeing different things in regards to the 6 speed manual being or not being available on the 435i xdrive. Can anyone confirm? The latest press release says 6 speed manual not avail on the 428i xdrive but no mention of 435i xdrive. However the ordering forms which were posted earlier this year showed that the manual not avail on the 435i xdrive but available on the 428i xdrive. I want to get the 435i xdrive with manual.

K-A commented: June 15, 2013, 12:02 am

Please tell me that this car has LED turn signals available as options??!!

Snareman commented: June 17, 2013, 8:59 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer3oi

i ordered a 2014 F30 335i...and the pricing is also agreed to (invoice + X)...since i couldn't find actual 2014 invoice pricing, i had extrapolated the numbers using the available 2013 wholesale pricing, and it turned out my numbers matched almost exactly to the 2014 wholesale pricing the salesman showed me

as i mentioned, although i was verbally told my date was good, i am still waiting on an official e-mail or something confirming that a slot is guaranteed for me for August 16.

Did you find that that X amount was higher than before. I hear that f32's are going to be coming out of dealer allocation for awhile so they won't be able to deal on them like before. I had $1k over invoice on my previous 2 ED cars.

Bret_T commented: June 17, 2013, 9:14 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snareman

I hear that f32's are going to be coming out of dealer allocation for awhile so they won't be able to deal on them like before.

As an old marketing and advertising guy, the "sport, modern and luxury" line thing is IMOP a bad marketing gimmick.
(the modern line being dropped is a good sign).

First, consumer assumption should be that any car with the image of BMW and certainly at these prices would be--Sporty, Luxurious AND modern!
Suspect this is a "too clever" by half way to hide prices for what is (except for the sport line) basically non-functional trim.

StrangeC commented: June 30, 2013, 5:49 pm

Anyone seeing any deals on the 4- or is it full sticker?

Snareman commented: July 3, 2013, 3:53 pm

Doesn't seem to be full sticker from what I'm seeing. Can anyone tell me how to come up with invoice pricing?

rdkind62 commented: July 3, 2013, 4:28 pm

I think we are still waiting for all the final numbers for things like invoice, lease numbers, etc.

tim330i commented: July 3, 2013, 4:41 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snareman

Doesn't seem to be full sticker from what I'm seeing. Can anyone tell me how to come up with invoice pricing?

The 328i sedan invoice pricing is almost exactly .936 of base MSRP. Take that percentage off the 428i MRSP of $40,500 and you get $37,908. Looking at the numbers 7% off MSRP gets you within a few hundred at worst and much closer most of the time. 435i invoice of $42,900 sounds about right to me. MSRP is $46,000.

Tim

Snareman commented: July 4, 2013, 2:37 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

The 328i sedan invoice pricing is almost exactly .936 of base MSRP. Take that percentage off the 428i MRSP of $40,500 and you get $37,908. Looking at the numbers 7% off MSRP gets you within a few hundred at worst and much closer most of the time. 435i invoice of $42,900 sounds about right to me. MSRP is $46,000.

Tim

Thanks. When calculating total price of the car, do you also take that % off the options and packages as well? Or maybe more simply, take the total cost of the car ~$58k US/$55k ED and then subtract 7%?

ESS commented: July 5, 2013, 3:37 pm

When do we expect the 2014 F30 invoice pricing to be published? I've been estimating but would prefer to have the real numbers before I negotiate.

tim330i commented: July 8, 2013, 7:34 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snareman

Thanks. When calculating total price of the car, do you also take that % off the options and packages as well? Or maybe more simply, take the total cost of the car ~$58k US/$55k ED and then subtract 7%?

It isn't perfect but it does get you close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESS

When do we expect the 2014 F30 invoice pricing to be published? I've been estimating but would prefer to have the real numbers before I negotiate.

I would imagine the usual sources of invoice pricing will have them soon but we're still about 3 months from an official on sale date so it could be awhile.

Tim

Snareman commented: July 9, 2013, 6:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

It isn't perfect but it does get you close.

I would imagine the usual sources of invoice pricing will have them soon but we're still about 3 months from an official on sale date so it could be awhile.

Tim

But, the 7% is only off the base price right? You don't also take it off the option invoice prices right? They are just standard invoice pricing right?

tim330i commented: July 9, 2013, 6:31 pm

Looks like packages invoice pricing is 9% off MSRP.

Tim

Snareman commented: July 9, 2013, 6:34 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

Looks like packages invoice pricing is 9% off MSRP.

Tim

Right. Package invoices are about 9% off MSRP. But the ED discount is only on the base price right? Just want to make sure I'm calculating it correctly.

fb88 commented: July 14, 2013, 10:53 pm

Side and Top View Cameras (5DL) is available as a stand-alone option for $750.

The Standard Silver Matte Trim for 328i is replaced with a Dark Burl walnut trim as standard.

Not fascinated by this move at all. Don't like any wood trims in my car.

cdp1276 commented: July 26, 2013, 5:02 pm

Does anyone have the invoice pricing document they can send me for the 4 Series?

Snareman commented: July 27, 2013, 2:48 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdp1276

Does anyone have the invoice pricing document they can send me for the 4 Series?

Its not available, but you can I think fairly close calculate it based on the % of the 3 series invoice pricing.

cdp1276 commented: July 27, 2013, 9:37 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snareman

Its not available, but you can I think fairly close calculate it based on the % of the 3 series invoice pricing.

Why would it not be available? They are always usually released the same time of retail pricing.

Snareman commented: July 27, 2013, 1:06 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdp1276

Why would it not be available? They are always usually released the same time of retail pricing.

I don't know. They just don't seem to be out anywhere. Maybe once more sites like Edmunds have info on the car out the invoice pricing will be out.

agroves commented: July 29, 2013, 6:23 am

I think it is more a matter of if someone is going to share it. Wholesale price sheets are in the order manual- just a different version than the retail ones posted. Bmwconfig doesn't have 14 3 series yet so I am in the same boat. I much prefer knowing what the price is then negotiating and ordering. With the right info- it can be a 10 minute process. Without, it can be much longer and you really never know whether you are giving and getting a fair deal.

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Snareman commented: July 29, 2013, 11:35 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by agroves

I think it is more a matter of if someone is going to share it. Wholesale price sheets are in the order manual- just a different version than the retail ones posted. Bmwconfig doesn't have 14 3 series yet so I am in the same boat. I much prefer knowing what the price is then negotiating and ordering. With the right info- it can be a 10 minute process. Without, it can be much longer and you really never know whether you are giving and getting a fair deal.

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Yea, I don't know how we negotiated cars back in the day before we had all of this internet info. You negotiated down to what you thought was a fair price, but you really had no idea. Its so much easier now if you do your homework before going in.

FCBayernFTW commented: August 15, 2013, 4:38 pm

Is the 4 series going to get the full LED headlights?

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Snareman commented: August 15, 2013, 8:03 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocamryn

Is the 4 series going to get the full LED headlights?

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do you mean something different than the LED option that is already there for $1900?

FCBayernFTW commented: August 15, 2013, 11:11 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snareman

do you mean something different than the LED option that is already there for $1900?

I mean like the 6 series. Is this the same lighting?!?

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tim330i commented: August 16, 2013, 2:14 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocamryn

I mean like the 6 series. Is this the same lighting?!?

Sent from BimmerApp mobile app

Yes.

Snareman commented: August 16, 2013, 3:05 am

Most people (even my CA) seem to say that for right it isn't worth the cost for what you're getting. I haven't seen it in person though.

snelldogg commented: August 16, 2013, 11:55 am

Getting an 2014335M Sport with MSRP of $53,075
Through ED getting the car at $46,570

I'm ok with the cost of the car but can you please help me understand the fees for driveoff? Based on my experience leasing they seem high by about $500

Just ordered my 328x for ED.
FYI Difference in ED invoice for MY2014 is 215$ higher than MY 2013.

JT01 commented: August 30, 2013, 4:18 am

New to the forum. I've spent a considerable amount of time reading many of the posts in this forum over the past week. It's an outstanding resource and has helped in the decision process.

I own an 88 M5 and have enjoyed the car quite a bit. Now we are looking to add to the fleet.

I am in the early stages of purchasing a 2014 328i sedan. I understand that 2014 invoice pricing is not readily available but according to what I have read I can estimate the invoice pricing using .936 of the MSRP for the base price and .91 of the options.

I assume from this $48,762, I would deduct any incentives and add $925 for Destination and about $500 for registration (California).

Am I on the right track?

Thanks.

JT

cloner commented: August 30, 2013, 9:45 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT01

New to the forum. I've spent a considerable amount of time reading many of the posts in this forum over the past week. It's an outstanding resource and has helped in the decision process.

I own an 88 M5 and have enjoyed the car quite a bit. Now we are looking to add to the fleet.

I am in the early stages of purchasing a 2014 328i sedan. I understand that 2014 invoice pricing is not readily available but according to what I have read I can estimate the invoice pricing using .936 of the MSRP for the base price and .91 of the options.

I assume from this $48,762, I would deduct any incentives and add $925 for Destination and about $500 for registration (California).

Am I on the right track?

Thanks.

JT

Invoice price on a MY2014 328i is $34130.00. I got this off my VIR that include the Wholesale price of everything I had on my order. Your calculation for everything else looks within a dollar of my invoice numbers for those options we have in common. Don't forget to add MACO ~380.00 and Training fees ~180.00 to the final invoice tally to get the true Wholesale price. That may be where the 0.093 came from to estimate the base invoice price that you used. In the end, I think your final number is almost spot on, just don't let someone add the two fees on you twice!!!

Take care.

Cloner

JT01 commented: August 30, 2013, 10:45 am

Thanks Cloner.

I'm still off by about $1,500 from the price I was given.

Would you mind sending me a PM with the invoice prices of the options we have in common? I would like to get back to the dealer with a few exact line items instead of all estimates on my options.

JT

cloner commented: August 30, 2013, 11:00 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT01

Thanks Cloner.

I'm still off by about $1,500 from the price I was given.

Would you mind sending me a PM with the invoice prices of the options we have in common? I would like to get back to the dealer with a few exact line items instead of all estimates on my options.

JT

PM sent

namelessman commented: September 1, 2013, 11:27 am

Are invoice prices available for MY14 F30? Edmund and bmwconfig still only have MY14 info.

BarryL commented: September 1, 2013, 11:37 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by namelessman

Are invoice prices available for MY14 F30? Edmund and bmwconfig still only have MY14 info.

Does anyone know the pricing of trim lines,packages and options with euro deliver ,Munich pick up. I am thinking of buying my first BMW and doing euro pick up. Thanks

ktula commented: September 11, 2013, 3:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Xx123

Does anyone know the pricing of trim lines,packages and options with euro deliver ,Munich pick up. I am thinking of buying my first BMW and doing euro pick up. Thanks

Try bmwconfig.com. Go to "Configurator". It does not have information for some 2014 models (like F31).

Xx123 commented: September 11, 2013, 6:29 pm

thank you

Vitt commented: September 24, 2013, 2:27 am

Are there any sites/references where one can find differences between the M Sport (= 704 from ZSL Sportline) and M Performance Suspension that is supposedly dealer or port installed options (as mentioned on other threads of this forum)? Including the prices on the M performance suspension parts?

shazi00 commented: September 24, 2013, 7:55 pm

Thought I'd post here about my 2014 F30. I got mine in Alpine White, with black interior and the base Dark Burl Walnut Wood Trim. I was very skeptical on the wood and really wanted the Aluminum Trim but ended up ordering the Wood. Let me tell you, the Dark Burl Walnut Wood looks great and I am so glad I went with that. It's unlike the previous versions of the 3 Series. I would compare it to the Anthracite Wood or some option like that. It's almost as dark and looks great with the black interior.

Just throwing it out there for someone who was unable to find some appropriate pictures. I would be happy to post some pictures if someone can give me some instructions.

When I asked about the money factor, the rep said 1.7. That only makes sense to me if she meant that was the annual interest rate. But she kept sayting it was 1.7.

Monthly PMT: $385
After tax monthly PMT: $415

This all sounds reasonable to me but I know people on here are much more expert than I. If you have thoughts, please let me know! Thanks!

Typically, when does the next model year info become available (MY2015), and when can ordering begin? I'm planning ED/PC on a 2015 328i M-sport. I would like to do ED in early Sept. Thanks.

tim330i commented: February 23, 2014, 6:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Boxster_B

Typically, when does the next model year info become available (MY2015), and when can ordering begin? I'm planning ED/PC on a 2015 328i M-sport. I would like to do ED in early Sept. Thanks.

MY 2015s will start production in July. We should have the info closer to then, probably about a month out. September ED shouldn't be a problem.

Tim

Boxsterless_B commented: February 23, 2014, 10:05 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

MY 2015s will start production in July. We should have the info closer to then, probably about a month out. September ED shouldn't be a problem.

Tim

Great, thanks. At this point do we expect any refresh or changes for MY2015?

tim330i commented: February 24, 2014, 9:32 am

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Originally Posted by Boxster_B

Great, thanks. At this point do we expect any refresh or changes for MY2015?

There might be some options/package pricing changes but I wouldn't expect anything major. If I'm doing my math right the LCI will come for 2016.

Tim

Bdlfd commented: February 28, 2014, 5:37 am

I need a little advice on a lease for a 2014 bmw 328 i xdrive
Sticker $50,775
Luxury line
Tech
Metallic paint
Nav
Cold weather
Lighting
Wood trim
36 month/ 15k miles a year/ $3615 down and $529 a month. Good deal???

First bmw lease, I did not get the money factor. First mistake
Pressure since end of month and I was in a rush. Got emergency call
Need to do deal today cause of end of month. They say has to be today.

Having second thoughts. Other dealers where higher on
Lower priced cars with same money down. And even left overs.

I don't have much more info and need quick opinion fair deal or not

sleprmd commented: March 4, 2014, 10:46 am

I'm looking for a BMW 2014 325d to purchase
with cold weather package , cooling ,Leather seats,
Dealer MRSP is running 47K + . IS any one doning a group buy for around 40K?
Or what would be the best price for this vehicle?

I love the forums, and have learned a great deal during my research process.

I am ready to order a MY2015 3er for ED pick up in early September. Would you mind recommending someone who specializes in ED/PC who is known for having good customer service, smooth processing, and the best pricing? I'm in Atlanta and understand I can deal with someone out of state.

Are there any pros/cons dealing with someone in state vs out of state?

Does pricing vary when dealing with different ED specialized firms/dealers?

Thanks to those who can help.

tim330i commented: April 3, 2014, 10:30 am

Post a new question in the ED forum, that will be the fastest way to get help!

Tim

Boxsterless_B commented: April 3, 2014, 10:34 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim330i

Post a new question in the ED forum, that will be the fastest way to get help!

Tim

Will do. Thanks Tim.

GBPackerfan1963 commented: April 6, 2014, 1:39 am

Just looking for a little input before I drive a 435. Not one available at local dealer at this time. Does anyone here have opinions to cockpit size of 435 v. E39 M5? Thanks in advance.

Weaselboy commented: April 6, 2014, 10:14 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBPackerfan1963

Just looking for a little input before I drive a 435. Not one available at local dealer at this time. Does anyone here have opinions to cockpit size of 435 v. E39 M5? Thanks in advance.

I would say it is pretty close to the size of the E39 inside.

You can get a really good feel for the size by sitting in any old F30 328i your dealer has. The 4-series roof is slightly lower... but otherwise a 328i is about identical as far as interior space up front. To me the coupes always feel a little larger inside because you don't have that B pillar just beside your head like in a 3-series.

K-A commented: April 6, 2014, 4:32 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weaselboy

I would say it is pretty close to the size of the E39 inside.

You can get a really good feel for the size by sitting in any old F30 328i your dealer has. The 4-series roof is slightly lower... but otherwise a 328i is about identical as far as interior space up front. To me the coupes always feel a little larger inside because you don't have that B pillar just beside your head like in a 3-series.

Unfortunately I found the roof of the 4 Series to be a little too cramped for my height. :/

O/T but since this is something that's always on my mind: Anyone know whether having the B Pillar right next to your head on the sedans is a safety minus or plus? I can see it two ways there, namely depending on how well the pillar is covered by the side airbag (and how high on it the airbag covers).

Bret_T commented: April 6, 2014, 4:57 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBPackerfan1963

Just looking for a little input before I drive a 435. Not one available at local dealer at this time. Does anyone here have opinions to cockpit size of 435 v. E39 M5?

I can't make that direct comparison for you, but I can tell you this. My 435 is the first car that I've ever owned (I'm 44) that I don't have to keep the seat all the way back.

paffinity commented: May 15, 2014, 2:30 am

Hi, I'm new to the forums. I'm wondering if its too late to order a MY 2014 335i. I'm having trouble finding the exact configuration that I want, so will probably have to order.

Thanks!

Bret_T commented: May 15, 2014, 8:56 am

I've never heard of there being some sort of blackout period between model years where you can't order. If they say it's too late to order a '14, then you should be able to order a '15. We're not there yet though.

paffinity commented: May 15, 2014, 11:37 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret_T

I've never heard of there being some sort of blackout period between model years where you can't order. If they say it's too late to order a '14, then you should be able to order a '15. We're not there yet though.

I asked again and they said that I could order a South African manufactured 335i. Any thought on this? If I order '15 then I'd lose out on the '14 incentives. Since it seems like there will be very minimal change between '14 and '15, I'd prefer '14 for the better price.

Bret_T commented: May 15, 2014, 2:01 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paffinity

Since it seems like there will be very minimal change between '14 and '15, I'd prefer '14 for the better price.

When you go to sell eventually, the '15 will be worth more than the '14. Unless you're going to keep the car for a long time, the amount saved on the incentive will be lost when you sell.

paffinity commented: May 15, 2014, 3:25 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret_T

When you go to sell eventually, the '15 will be worth more than the '14. Unless you're going to keep the car for a long time, the amount saved on the incentive will be lost when you sell.

I do plan on keeping it for a while, as long as there are no problems with it.
Besides the incentives, isn't it more likely to negotiate a lower price for the '14 than a '15? The configuration I'm looking at is ~$55K msrp, carsdirect is giving me a target price of $50K. Do you think it would be comparable for the '15?

DGF commented: May 15, 2014, 5:38 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paffinity

I do plan on keeping it for a while, as long as there are no problems with it.
Besides the incentives, isn't it more likely to negotiate a lower price for the '14 than a '15? The configuration I'm looking at is ~$55K msrp, carsdirect is giving me a target price of $50K. Do you think it would be comparable for the '15?

You'll most likely be able to get a better deal on a '14 versus a '15, but you'll take a hit when you come to sell the vehicle - prospective buyers will look at the model year, and base the amount they're willing to pay on that. You need to make a decision if you want to take the 'hit' now or later. [Assuming that you're buying versus leasing]

paffinity commented: May 15, 2014, 7:48 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGF

You'll most likely be able to get a better deal on a '14 versus a '15, but you'll take a hit when you come to sell the vehicle - prospective buyers will look at the model year, and base the amount they're willing to pay on that. You need to make a decision if you want to take the 'hit' now or later. [Assuming that you're buying versus leasing]

I'll be doing Owner's Choice (I'm in Texas), but plan to keep it. My commute is short, ~20 miles round trip and maybe drive 6K miles a year. So when I do get to the point of selling, 10+ years later, hopefully the year difference won't be much.

FrankBevalaqua commented: May 16, 2014, 1:35 pm

I am going to look at a new 428i XDrive. According to TrueCar, equipped with Technology Package and a few other options, the MSRP is $53,650, Factory Invoice is $49,925 , and the TRUECar Price is $48,286. That's $5,364 off of MSRP. That sounds like a pretty good deal - do you think that's accurate? I am going to a dealer this weekend and would love it if I can actually get that price in reality!

glennQNYC commented: May 16, 2014, 1:39 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankBevalaqua

I am going to look at a new 428i XDrive. According to TrueCar, equipped with Technology Package and a few other options, the MSRP is $53,650, Factory Invoice is $49,925 , and the TRUECar Price is $48,286. That's $5,364 off of MSRP. That sounds like a pretty good deal - do you think that's accurate? I am going to a dealer this weekend and would love it if I can actually get that price in reality!

In short, yes. Get the actual dealer quotes from specific dealers and print them out for the trip to your favorite dealer and you shouldn't have any problem.

FrankBevalaqua commented: May 16, 2014, 2:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

In short, yes. Get the actual dealer quotes from specific dealers and print them out for the trip to your favorite dealer and you shouldn't have any problem.

Thanks. I'll let you know how I make out

icexx99 commented: May 17, 2014, 8:01 pm

Was offered a deal today can anyone chime in and let me know if this sounds cheap or fair or expensive..
2014 bmw 335i xdrive
Fully loaded black on black with m sport nav cold weather driver assistance etc...
Msrp on car was 58,929 with 6500 down, giving me car for 499 a month lease........ 10k miles a year

pingumo commented: May 17, 2014, 8:48 pm

Wats the best price I can expect for a 2014 335xi customized (fully loaded literally with every possible option the car can come w/ M sport minus the stupid iPhone adapter) at this point? Invoice -500 has been the best I got plus whatever highest incentives from BMW financial when the car is in process. Does this sound good? Thanks

Sent from BimmerApp mobile app

UTGuy13 commented: May 17, 2014, 8:59 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret_T

I've never heard of there being some sort of blackout period between model years where you can't order. If they say it's too late to order a '14, then you should be able to order a '15. We're not there yet though.

Was told today by my CA that they couldn't place my order for '14 328d and they do not seem to have 2015 numbers ready. Anyone else heard this?

paffinity commented: May 19, 2014, 1:15 pm

Went to place my order on Saturday. Took a quote from another dealer for a more expensive car with me, but got the same discount. Got a price lower than what truecar/edmunds/carsdirect says is a good price.
Pretty happy with this. Going in today to finalize order, will probably add the Harman Kardon upgrade.

FrankBevalaqua commented: May 21, 2014, 10:51 am

Bought a 428XDrive this weekend... $54,300 sticker... paid $51K... even though TrueCar said I should have been able to get $5K off sticker, this was the best i could do...

paffinity commented: May 22, 2014, 2:40 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankBevalaqua

Bought a 428XDrive this weekend... $54,300 sticker... paid $51K... even though TrueCar said I should have been able to get $5K off sticker, this was the best i could do...

I don't think you did bad. Is that before tax? I guess you could have tried to leave and maybe they give you more.
Mine was 55K msrp, got slightly less than 50K before taxes.

FrankBevalaqua commented: May 22, 2014, 2:44 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paffinity

I don't think you did bad. Is that before tax? I guess you could have tried to leave and maybe they give you more.
Mine was 55K msrp, got slightly less than 50K before taxes.

51K was before tax... but also negotiated a fair price on the trade-in... maybe i could have done a little better if I spent more time looking around - just don't have the days to do that

paffinity commented: May 22, 2014, 5:07 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankBevalaqua

51K was before tax... but also negotiated a fair price on the trade-in... maybe i could have done a little better if I spent more time looking around - just don't have the days to do that

Ah okay. I'm not trading in anything, I doubt anyone will give me a fair price for a 12 year old mazda.

JohnL345 commented: May 27, 2014, 3:30 pm

Best to always work up from dealer invoice NOT down from the sticker or any MSRP!
Do not let the sales guy/gal control the process.

i think my dealer ripped me off big time on my car lease. I'm paying $783.59 a month including taxes on my f30 m performance with a sticker of $59,903 and i got it $6k under MSRP at $53,895. I'm researching and for a little more i think i might be able to get an m3. is there any way to renegotiate it or am i really stuck with this high payment until the lease is up?

tturedraider commented: June 16, 2014, 11:29 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by davey111483

i think my dealer ripped me off big time on my car lease. I'm paying $783.59 a month including taxes on my f30 m performance with a sticker of $59,903 and i got it $6k under MSRP at $53,895. I'm researching and for a little more i think i might be able to get an m3. is there any way to renegotiate it or am i really stuck with this high payment until the lease is up?

If you signed the contract and drove away with the car it's all yours. You don't truly think more than a month after the fact you're going to undo the deal, do you?

JohnL345 commented: June 17, 2014, 10:40 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by davey111483

i think my dealer ripped me off big time on my car lease. I'm paying $783.59 a month including taxes on my f30 m performance with a sticker of $59,903 and i got it $6k under MSRP at $53,895. I'm researching and for a little more i think i might be able to get an m3. is there any way to renegotiate it or am i really stuck with this high payment until the lease is up?

You won't know unless you go over your entire lease agreement with a sharp eye.
I suspect your noting you "got it $6K under MSRP" may be a clue to any problems.

NEVER negotiate a lease deal from MSRP. Always negotiate UP FROM DEALER COST.
In fact, you should go through the process and "design" a lease before you go into a dealership. Believe me--this is not my advice, it is advice you can find in the dozens of books around about how to negotiate a lease. Negotiate the price of the car equipped the way you want it. Do not even discuss how you are paying for it--lease or buy there is basically no difference to the retailer!
Assume the dealer can sell that car for under his/her cost and still make a profit--also each option included has their cost and a markup. Once you have agreed upon a cost then you negotiate the lease. Basically the money factor (unless you have a credit problem it should be the lowest the MFGR offers) whether you fold any tax into the lease or pay it up front and length of the lease are the main concerns. Remember whether bought outright or leased the car no longer belongs to the dealer--it is for all intents and purposes--SOLD!

I would also recommend consulting a site like Edmunds. You can build/equip a car with the options you want and a lease and then get the price that others in your area have paid for that same car.

Make sure you find out as much info as to any manufacturer to dealer or MFGR to customer cash is available to you. Also your money factor should be noted--this is based on your credit.
NEVER EVER put any money down you don't have to--upfront cash is where a lot of dealers make money on customers. Negotiate your deal with no money down--save for tax, license, fees (be careful here) etc and first month payment.

All this said--
You have little or no recourse. In fact, you may have a decent deal. If you really wanna risk a painful lesson--go to Edmunds (there are other good sites) and rebuild your car. Then get the average price paid in your area.

I have made plenty of mistakes. Salespersons can be rough--they do this every day for a living and you do it once every three or so years!
The trick is to be in control of the sales process. The salesperson will often try to get you distracted and will fight to gain control of the process.

Happy with the price considering the other 3 dealers I talked to couldn't come with in $1,000 of the price event with all the same rebates. Had to order it and wait 5 weeks, but love the new ride.

In the end the key is you are "happy" with your "deal."
Hard to tell how good your deal was/is though. Again, the trick is to forget MSRP and start your negotiation from
dealer invoice--what the dealer pays.

What's with the five week wait though?
For a 2014--should be plenty of these around for a dealer to obtain. Where's your dealer getting this car?

Also--
You must have leaded yours up (lucky you) to get to that MSRP.
(that could explain the wait).

I can say that Edmunds indicates a 2014 diesel wagon with popular options goes for UNDER dealer invoice--again depends upon where you live. If you are willing to confirm how good your deal was--go price your car out at Edmunds (there are some other sites that work the same) and you will get the average price paid in your area! Agony or Ecstasy!

Anyway--
that's a nice car.

JoeyBomb commented: July 29, 2014, 1:21 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnL345

In the end the key is you are "happy" with your "deal."
Hard to tell how good your deal was/is though. Again, the trick is to forget MSRP and start your negotiation from
dealer invoice--what the dealer pays.

What's with the five week wait though?
For a 2014--should be plenty of these around for a dealer to obtain. Where's your dealer getting this car?

Also--
You must have leaded yours up (lucky you) to get to that MSRP.
(that could explain the wait).

I can say that Edmunds indicates a 2014 diesel wagon with popular options goes for UNDER dealer invoice--again depends upon where you live. If you are willing to confirm how good your deal was--go price your car out at Edmunds (there are some other sites that work the same) and you will get the average price paid in your area! Agony or Ecstasy!

Anyway--
that's a nice car.

I would contribute the wait to the Estoril Blue color along with out required options list, it is nicely equipped and I got lucky it only being 5 weeks. They traded a build slot with another dealer and it rolled off the line just days before the boat left port for the US.

According to Edmunds.com the FMV for my build is $52,300 in my area which is $200 over invoice. So looks like I got a little under invoice plus an extra $1000 for the drive event.
I base my deal being good by cross shopping enough dealers, when the others won't match the best, it must be the best I can get. I deal with the internet departments when buying new and always seemed to have one dealer who the others just can't match, I'm guessing its because of volume they do over the others.

Either way, it's my first BMW and I hope it doesn't let me down.

JohnL345 commented: July 29, 2014, 2:08 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyBomb

I would contribute the wait to the Estoril Blue color along with out required options list, it is nicely equipped and I got lucky it only being 5 weeks. They traded a build slot with another dealer and it rolled off the line just days before the boat left port for the US.

According to Edmunds.com the FMV for my build is $52,300 in my area which is $200 over invoice. So looks like I got a little under invoice plus an extra $1000 for the drive event.
I base my deal being good by cross shopping enough dealers, when the others won't match the best, it must be the best I can get. I deal with the internet departments when buying new and always seemed to have one dealer who the others just can't match, I'm guessing its because of volume they do over the others.

Either way, it's my first BMW and I hope it doesn't let me down.

Looks like you did some due diligence on the price!
Anything under dealer cost is good! Thanks to some help from some very knowledgeable folks here and Edmunds etc I got in under invoice as well--about $500. Though I was taking a car in stock with pretty common add ons.

Yes--special/rare colors and equipment will complicate things but sounds like you got a great car at a nice price!

rocksnap commented: August 8, 2014, 8:02 am

Just snagged a 2014 328d loaded with a MSRP of $52,820 for $44,308 after discounts plus tax! Not bad...! Been out of the Beemer ownership for a while but I'm back.

BeeMarlo commented: August 19, 2014, 2:41 pm

It's quite easy to get your 3 series up to 40k ...
I wanted to get a white one .... out of stock, so I had to get a metallic.. didnt even want to pay $550 extra just for a metallic silver...

The Mineral Grey Metallic has 19' wheels and a couple of other things and I can get that one for $1,500 more with same options as above. It has the wood trim.

Really can't make up between the two colors and whether I should pull this off!

Thanks!

rocksnap commented: August 25, 2014, 7:51 am

I have USAA car buying service, so negioating is not required. I was going to order from the factory, but we hit the year end clearence as the 3 series line had stopped production. So we had to find one on a dealers lot. We did. A fully loaded 328d with a MSRP of $52,804. We got it for $44,308! I am a pig in mud... I found this one by scouring the greater area dealer invintory for a diesel with the interior color that we wanted. There was only 1 within this large area. The dealer was notified automatically. It wsa purchased thu faxes/emails and a phone call. I vever visited the dealer except to take delivery!

First--
I think there's some shaky information being passed around out here.

Frankly, the whole "trim line" stuff for the F30 is to me a gimmick designed by marketing to get more cash from buyers. (the exception being the sport line). BMW is battling MB, Audi, Infiniti and Lexus (I would add Caddy) for a wider range of buyers. They are each trying their best to be all things to all people.

This invariably means all sorts of options plus more space (comfort) more variety in ride and handling--all sorts of buttons and gizmos. Some good some useless--depends on your personal preference. More options often mean broader appeal and often lead to concessions.

Anyway--
Buying a car is easier these days. First sites like Edmunds will list the dealer cost for the car you want as well as each option offered. You can configure your car and know what the dealer is paying (actually close as possible). You can then find out what that particular car is selling for in your zip code--an average selling price.

You can also find out what incentives are available to you. (if you are leasing there are usually special offers from the finance company).

Always negotiate the price of the car you want. Never pay more than the average selling price for your area.

Negotiate the selling price of the car--the price of the car as configured. Do not discuss any money down. Do not even discuss incentives until you get the car you want at a price you are comfortable with. Then you can discuss payments and incentives. A common 'trick is to offer a great looking deal--say $5K less than MSRP. In the fine print you often see--"requires $5K down payment--guess what? That deal is for full pop and no deal--you are right back to MSRP!
As for businesses--
Most will lease cars. I don't know many businesses that want to get into the used car biz and buy outright--tax issues determine a lot of the decision..

mintoo commented: August 25, 2014, 9:09 pm

I always negotiate on Out The Door (OTD) Price. I don't even talk about trade-ins or down payments. The dealer will always try to talk you in and take you on a different path but I always ignore what they say and go back to OTD price-based negotiation tactics. Just negotiating the car price alone can get you in trouble sometimes. The dealer will usually add unnecessary charges to the "fees and taxes" part of the equation and try to make more profit. Constraining the dealer to OTD price-based negotiation can help prevent this scenario.

Also when I negotiate I'm always willing to walk out, i.e. never show that you are desperate to buy. But you have to let the sales guy, especially the manager know that you will pull it off right now if they can work with you, if not you can get better deals. Its all about attitude but don't go overboard.

Negotiate the car you like (OTD).
Negotiate the trade-in.
Negotiate the interest rate -- definitely shop around. I got lower rates as compared to what BMW is offering currently (i.e. BMWNA website shows 3.13% APR in California).

Walk out of the deal if the sales, finance or the manager are unwilling to work with you on any of the steps. You are not doing them a favor. Its simple business!

clemsondds commented: September 24, 2014, 9:47 am

On a 435i Gran coupe msport...msrp is $58075. wholesale is $53965. They are quoting me $53815 with a lease package of $4000 down and $555 a month 36 months 10k miles. How does that sound? pretty much all options except for HK system. Thanks

JohnL345 commented: September 24, 2014, 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by clemsondds

On a 435i Gran coupe msport...msrp is $58075. wholesale is $53965. They are quoting me $53815 with a lease package of $4000 down and $555 a month 36 months 10k miles. How does that sound? pretty much all options except for HK system. Thanks

$4,000 down!
So that car is costing you $57,815 NOT $53,965!

This is one of the oldest tricks in the car game. You are basically paying MSRP! (I would ask what exactly the downpayment includes).

Negotiate the final selling price of the car (depending on the model a lot of dealers are selling them for UNDER wholesale). You need to spec out the car you want via Edmunds (or other similar sites) and get the average price people in your area are paying for the car.

Don't get into any lease or finance discussion until you have a firm selling price. Also you need to be aware of any/all incentives available as well as what lease rate you qualify for. You need to know if the leasing company is BMW or a bank. All the incentives should be applied after you have a firm selling price--to reduce that selling price even further.

Lease payments are based on the selling price!

clemsondds commented: September 24, 2014, 10:59 am

I did the edmonds thing. It says "true market value is $55817"
I guess it all depends on the residual of the car, right?
I have had a couple dealers look at this quote and they couldn't match it and couldn't understand how the dealership was offering that. From what i was told, there is a set amount for how much the lease will be for, and then it doesn't matter how much you put down....that just effects your monthly payment. So if you don't mind a high monthly payment, then don't put down anything, or if you want a lower monthly payment, then you will need to put down 4-5000. This is my first time leasing so I appreciate your help. The only negative I was told about putting down a large amount up front is, that if the car is in a wreck and totaled, you will lose that money.
By another dealership I was quoted $570/month with $5000 down, 10k and 36 for a 428gc loaded m sport with $54274 total price after fees and tax. Residual=$34728. And $555/mnth 10k and 36mnth for a m235i 2015 loaded with $50,772 after fees and tax. Residual of this is $31759
Thanks again.

JohnL345 commented: September 24, 2014, 12:00 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by clemsondds

I did the edmonds thing. It says "true market value is $55817"
I guess it all depends on the residual of the car, right?
I have had a couple dealers look at this quote and they couldn't match it and couldn't understand how the dealership was offering that. From what i was told, there is a set amount for how much the lease will be for, and then it doesn't matter how much you put down....that just effects your monthly payment. So if you don't mind a high monthly payment, then don't put down anything, or if you want a lower monthly payment, then you will need to put down 4-5000. This is my first time leasing so I appreciate your help. The only negative I was told about putting down a large amount up front is, that if the car is in a wreck and totaled, you will lose that money.
By another dealership I was quoted $570/month with $5000 down, 10k and 36 for a 428gc loaded m sport with $54274 total price after fees and tax. Residual=$34728. And $555/mnth 10k and 36mnth for a m235i 2015 loaded with $50,772 after fees and tax. Residual of this is $31759
Thanks again.

Not knowing all the details, it is impossible to assess those offers.
This might help you compare--

Make sure you know what the money factor is.
Also make sure you are aware of all the incentives available from the leasing company and BMW USA.

I would go back to square one.
Forget about leasing, down payments, monthly payments etc and focus on the final selling price.

Once you have the best price you can get then figure out what your lease payments would be with no money down. Work from there.

I would ask the dealer to itemize that (or any) downpayment--what is included and where's the money going?

clemsondds commented: September 24, 2014, 12:29 pm

what factors do you need to know in order to tell if it's a good deal? money factor and fees? I went to that link and followed the formula...so far I'm coming up with over $600/month...so does this mean it's a good deal if it they are asking $555/month?
Why is it terrible to put money down? (eg $4000)

JohnL345 commented: September 24, 2014, 12:59 pm

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Originally Posted by clemsondds

what factors do you need to know in order to tell if it's a good deal? money factor and fees? I went to that link and followed the formula...so far I'm coming up with over $600/month...so does this mean it's a good deal if it they are asking $555/month?
Why is it terrible to put money down? (eg $4000)

It is not terrible to put money down.
As long as you understand why and where it is going.

In the end--
It is the final selling price that is where the deal is, good or bad.

If you are under the Edmunds average selling price--for the exact same (equipped) vehicle that's a good sign. You should try to negotiate something lower.

Also--be aware of all the incentives--factory to consumer. Always use these to lower even further that negotiated selling price.

There may also be incentives offered by the finance company.

The trick is you need to control the process. Not the dealer salesperson who is a professional negotiator. Price first then lease details.

2014 335I MSRP $57075 down to $48,000 before taxes and license ($53,000 out the door). Was this a good deal?

OFF TOPIC: Also during my test drive, I felt the 435I grand touring had a lot more torque and pickup/power then the 335i, but the dealer wouldn't let me have as good of a deal on it. It honestly felt a lot better then the 335I but I liked the size of the 335i better.. The 435i was $59,xxx MSRP.. Why did it feel so much more powerful in casual city driving??

dewilde commented: October 11, 2014, 2:52 am

2014 335I MSRP $57075 down to $48,000 before taxes and license ($53,000 out the door). Was this a good deal?

OFF TOPIC: Also during my test drive, I felt the 435I grand touring had a lot more torque and pickup/power then the 335i, but the dealer wouldn't let me have as good of a deal on it. It honestly felt a lot better then the 335I but I liked the size of the 335i better.. The 435i was $59,xxx MSRP.. Why did it feel so much more powerful in casual city driving??

deekayho commented: October 11, 2014, 3:33 am

[QUOTE=dewilde;8640195]2014 335I MSRP $57075 down to $48,000 before taxes and license ($53,000 out the door). Was this a good deal?

OFF TOPIC: Also during my test drive, I felt the 435I grand touring had a lot more torque and pickup/power then the 335i, but the dealer wouldn't let me have as good of a deal on it. It honestly felt a lot better then the 335I but I liked the size of the 335i better.. The 435i was $59,xxx MSRP.. Why did it feel so much more powerful in casual city driving??[/QUO

I mean you got 16% off MSRP. I am pretty sure that's a winner lol.

what strategy did you go about negotiating? Did you gather multiple quotes from other dealers? But yeah I think people are getting better deals on the 3 series simply because of how the 4 series has already been rolling in. Sort of takes away a solid % of the market that would have normally bought the 3 series.

Power...i don't know, after looking it up, both cars should have very similar hp/torque output...maybe you just like the 4 more? I think they did design the 4 series to be 100-150 lbs lighter so that should make a bit of an impact.

dewilde commented: October 11, 2014, 5:22 am

Honestly, I think it was primarily good timing. Another point was that I initially was willing to spend more, so I was looking at models above my final price point. But in the end, I decided I'd rather walk away with no BMW, then walk away with a lesser BMW, but felt that I shouldn't/couldn't spend money on the higher MSRP models I was wanting.. So it was kinda, I want this or nothing, but at the price I want it at. So in the end I had a firm idea of what I wanted and what I could pay.. And again, timing played a big factor.

Hmmmm... I'm starting to think so.. I had a thought though.. Do they sell the 435i grand touring models with MPPK MPE kits preinstalled? As in, is that an option you can select on the website, that you can't select with a 335i? Because maybe this grand touring car had the MPPK and MPE installed?!? It was a 2015 model. The website is a bit confusing though, so I'm not sure if that's even possible. But if that FEEL I got from the 435i test-drive was what the MPPK feels like, then it's sure worth the extra $$$ If not, then maybe my next car is going to be an M4 rather then an M3 Kidding.. maybe.

Damon44 commented: October 30, 2014, 7:40 am

I think the 435i with the MPPK is a great deal. You get all the HP you need and don't end up paying for the M3 package at 70000.
When you put 325 horses or so with twin turbo you will blow away the Audi S5 at the same price point of an $1500 option at the port.
We are adding the kit to our 2015 335i and hope it can handle the extra power being slightly higher off the ground.

Has anyone leased a loaner from BMW? Presented with 24 mo lease for 299/mo car listed at 34,900 with 10,500 miles? Going back and forth verses 2015 328i X-drive 39 mo for 368 trying to get them down to at least 350/mo Both offers are no money down other than inception fees. 12k per year

arapocket commented: January 7, 2015, 5:10 am

Sorry for an annoying first post.

Wondering if I got a good lease deal on a demo.

(Either way I love this car like my first born child. Drove a 2011 Camaro RS before this, aaaaaaaaand the Germans win.)

That 328 i you have does not even make the chart as it is not a 335, no matter the options added...

Option 5 is THE BEST F30 vehicle (handling, driving dynamics, braking suspension and ALL MAJOR packages included,). It is a showcase brand item for BMW... released in a few hundred units per year worldwide. Comes from Germany, generally almost fully loaded - in North America but not in South Africa. Exec, Premium, Tech packages, sensors, HUD etc, 20" M Performance wheels, track ready M Performance brakes, Adaptive M, MPPK, DHP. Grosso modo, some 30k worth of options they give you for just about a few thousand more than say option 3. Option 5 is released, seems these days, regularly in a few units to North America. Mine is the beautiful Laguna Seca Blue. The M3, for example, needs $25k more just in options to match those thrown almost for free in the 335i M Performance edition. In Canada, the M3 is 75k base, my car was 65. Yet, with all my options added one by one (including the Adaptive M, HUD, etc), the M3 ends up over 115k. 35 k difference yet the car price delta is 10k!!

Would never buy an M3 with all such options, I just wanted a metric to assess the value of the M Performance series. it is a KILLER DEAL at 55-60k US. Most M3 owners cannot afford or would not want to fully load the M3. Nor would I. M3 is for fun, not comfort pleasure family cruise. But, in the 335i M Performance, a heavily discounted set of killer features are handed to you nearly free, not to mention it drives substantially better than any other F30 out there- unless it was modified in a price point above the M Performance envelope.

Based on your answers, you are in doubt as, unknowingly, you are in the Option 3/4 boundary and feel you are maybe compromising too much and missing something. You are right. Your price is already in the M Performance envelope, it takes a bit of effort and patience to find one, buy and bring it from port. Many dealers do not bother with the effort as they want to sell stock items. But any BMW agent can just find it on a computer and route it to you.

In my opinion, customizing 57k for the car you are pricing is nonsensical as getting an M Performance, for nearly the same price, blows yours away. You would need to add 25k to your customization just to get the same stuff. Or customize it on the web for 57k but you will not get the M Performance wheels, exclusive offer colors (3-5k difference right there and not BMW site options) or a delivery in less than 6 months. So make that BMW agent work for you and also get a 7% dealer discount- about the most you can get.

Given a choice I would even get a second hand M Performance, some rich people bought a few and returned them after 2-3000 miles, they maybe thought them an M3 equivalent. At a dealership was told how rich clients rotate every few months, top of the line cars, no matter which series -2,3 5 6 7 Z X, etc. Anyways, a 2nd hand low mileage M Performance shave another 5k worth of already paid taxes, delivery, etc.

That demo at 55 MSRP, see my argument, can I possibly recommend it?

arapocket commented: January 16, 2015, 1:31 am

Wow. Some good information. I already have the car btw.

The M Performance edition is a GREAT value. I can't find anyone's lease rates, but I feel like the lease payments would be double the amount I'm paying right now.

And buying was out of the question.

Squiddie commented: January 16, 2015, 8:36 am

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Originally Posted by ROSC00

Had this conversation a few times in otehr threads, you may be the perfect audience.

That 328 i you have does not even make the chart as it is not a 335, no matter the options added...

Option 5 is THE BEST F30 vehicle (handling, driving dynamics, braking suspension and ALL MAJOR packages included,). It is a showcase brand item for BMW... released in a few hundred units per year worldwide. Comes from Germany, generally almost fully loaded - in North America but not in South Africa. Exec, Premium, Tech packages, sensors, HUD etc, 20" M Performance wheels, track ready M Performance brakes, Adaptive M, MPPK, DHP. Grosso modo, some 30k worth of options they give you for just about a few thousand more than say option 3. Option 5 is released, seems these days, regularly in a few units to North America. Mine is the beautiful Laguna Seca Blue. The M3, for example, needs $25k more just in options to match those thrown almost for free in the 335i M Performance edition. In Canada, the M3 is 75k base, my car was 65. Yet, with all my options added one by one (including the Adaptive M, HUD, etc), the M3 ends up over 115k. 35 k difference yet the car price delta is 10k!!

I think it is a bit distorted. Getting the official M performance parts is very expensive.

If you want the nicest driving F30 you can start with a low optioned 335i or 435i and have third-party tuners mess with it. Comes out cheaper and probably better.

FWIW the un4gettable drive event had that spectacular 435i with the M performance parts. Best F30 I drove. As configured there it had these options IIRC:
1567.50 1500 BMW M PERFORMANCE POWER KIT
2210 1400 BMW M PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION
1535 1400 exhaust
310 175 side stripes

My notes say it didn't have the LSD but they don't say why I had concluded that. That would be another $3333 or so.

It gets very complicated up there. And obviously if you pimp up a new car too much there is a warranty issue, if you don't use their parts.

ROSC00 commented: January 21, 2015, 9:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Squiddie

I think it is a bit distorted. Getting the official M performance parts is very expensive.

If you want the nicest driving F30 you can start with a low optioned 335i or 435i and have third-party tuners mess with it. Comes out cheaper and probably better.

FWIW the un4gettable drive event had that spectacular 435i with the M performance parts. Best F30 I drove. As configured there it had these options IIRC:
1567.50 1500 BMW M PERFORMANCE POWER KIT
2210 1400 BMW M PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION
1535 1400 exhaust
310 175 side stripes

My notes say it didn't have the LSD but they don't say why I had concluded that. That would be another $3333 or so.

It gets very complicated up there. And obviously if you pimp up a new car too much there is a warranty issue, if you don't use their parts.

It is expensive, but the best experience. M Performance parts are over $15 K and another 15 k for options added to the package. 25k on top of 40k base (xDrive) but 40k itemized value. The latest M Performance chart, from BMW, lists, accurately, line by line and $ by $, the owner as saving 15k +tax (nearly 18 k in Canada) by opting for a Limited Edition. No 3d party combo on a low end would work or come close to such a discount.

Answer about negotiating, 7% is the average max one can get. Beyond that the dealership makes no $. Some US dealerships offer additional govt or military discounts.

Stories of crashing Dinan suspension setups, weeks spent trying to find the issues, or brand new JB modded blown engine and no warranty can be found in these forums as well.

Squiddie commented: January 21, 2015, 11:38 pm

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Originally Posted by ROSC00

It is expensive, but the best experience. M Performance parts are over $15 K and another 15 k for options added to the package. 25k on top of 40k base (xDrive) but 40k itemized value. The latest M Performance chart, from BMW, lists, accurately, line by line and $ by $, the owner as saving 15k +tax (nearly 18 k in Canada) by opting for a Limited Edition. No 3d party combo on a low end would work or come close to such a discount.

Answer about negotiating, 7% is the average max one can get. Beyond that the dealership makes no $. Some US dealerships offer additional govt or military discounts.

Stories of crashing Dinan suspension setups, weeks spent trying to find the issues, or brand new JB modded blown engine and no warranty can be found in these forums as well.

Well that's all very nice.

The problem being that although the coupe I describe came out very well steering and handling wise there is no guarantee that another one will. Why did it have good (high) amounts of steering resistance? There isn't anything in those parts (or the other options it had) that would explain it.

ROSC00 commented: January 26, 2015, 8:11 pm

[QUOTE=Squiddie;8849943]Well that's all very nice.

The problem being that although the coupe I describe came out very well steering and handling wise there is no guarantee that another one will. Why did it have good (high) amounts of steering resistance? There isn't anything in those parts (or the other options it had) that would explain it.[/QUOTE

Not sure I understand your comment. Steering resistance can refer to one of many issues, understeer (car characteristic), poor rack, EPS issue, soft tires and much more.

Squiddie commented: January 26, 2015, 9:22 pm

[QUOTE=ROSC00;8860930]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squiddie

Well that's all very nice.

The problem being that although the coupe I describe came out very well steering and handling wise there is no guarantee that another one will. Why did it have good (high) amounts of steering resistance? There isn't anything in those parts (or the other options it had) that would explain it.[/QUOTE

Not sure I understand your comment. Steering resistance can refer to one of many issues, understeer (car characteristic), poor rack, EPS issue, soft tires and much more.

Yes, what I'm saying is none of that you can predict from specs or options. So unless you drive your particular car you run a risk.

ROSC00 commented: January 26, 2015, 9:38 pm

[QUOTE=Squiddie;8861104]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROSC00

Yes, what I'm saying is none of that you can predict from specs or options. So unless you drive your particular car you run a risk.

You have a very valid point. Indeed, so much that I had not even seen my car color in person, nor test drove anything similar to it until I got it. There were no demo M Performance models around.

To minimize the risk I took 100 hrs and did several things. Read or saw any F30 review video since launch in 2011//2012. When I ordered mine in Jan 14, no idea it existed until two days prior. hesitated on web built as it looked too pricey - and it was. Top Gear comments were critical- they gave it a good handling grade, but poor aesthetics (2012 F30 335i base). Then I compared them with Mercedes and Audi videos, BMW vs Lexus articles etc. By Dec 13 transitioned to M Performance design which were popping up, track driving videos, individual technology explanation videos, BMW demos and could get a very good idea as to how it would or should respond, if not based on video telemetry or expert opinion. For example, have not driven an Alpha Romeo 4C, but after videos and videos and more videos and reviews, began forming a mental image. And if Top Gear praised the handling characteristics of the base 335i, then M Performance could only be better- and purposefully designed to be better at a higher option price.

The only thing I could not gauge before hand is the numb EPS feel some dislike, or xDrive without -10mm.. However, since I never had a hydraulic rack BMW before, and was a computer gamer (so always electric or digital input), I found the BMW EPS very predictive, even if not as good as a Porsche's or M3. M3/M4 are also criticized by quite a few reviewers for a lack in steering response, but compared with older M3s. Yet the car's performance is such that it mitigates the prev gen better steering feel, especially in winter. In some cases I complement my steering with the throttle and torque, and it is difficult to describe how that feels. But also took me a long time to control aircraft pitch and descent rate with throttle. Once I learned that, I never worried with pitch input. Nose down? More power. Nose to high? Drop power. Left the steering alone.

Seeing the BMW engineers on HD videos testing the parameters of the F30 series, then M Performance, realized that they matched the best the previous gen had, and perhaps exceed it- power for sure. Used the same process to discover that the i8 has an under-steer reputation already which I could not like nor bother with. But the 2016 i9 will be the very opposite and perhaps exceed Porsche.

Having done flight training, PC sim, real flight sims and real aircraft, visualizing performance parameters is not hard, but takes a technical inclination. In today's F1s the engineers do that for every second the car runs, yet none of them race it once. Pilot's feedback is the last thing they need but it is nothing like 30 years ago. In-race they often tell the pilot how he needs to drive it, and even contradict him on actual steering perception if the telemetry indicates the car is performing within envelope.