When politicians don’t know what to do, they make sure it looks like they are doing something.

That is what is happening with what passes for debate on gun control in this country.

After the shooting in Toronto and Fredericton calls for a handgun ban have grown louder.

First it was Toronto City Council calling for a ban on handguns from the feds and a ban on the sale of ammunition from the province. Now Montreal and is joining that call with their own motion.

Just to make sure we didn’t forget the Ontario Liberal Party existed, two of their seven member caucus came forward this week to table a private member’s bill that would allow municipalities to ban the sale of handgun ammunition.

We have to take action to stem that flow of ammunition and to reduce those incidences,” Liberal MP Mitzie Hunter said.

Ontario Liberal MP Mitzie Hunter. (Jason Bain/Postmedia Network)

“By banning the sale of ammunition it makes it more difficult to access firearms,” her colleague Nathalie Des Rosiers added.

Now these are two educated women but their comments are nothing short of foolish.

Des Rosiers is a former law professor, Hunter has an MBA and was education minister in the last government. Yet these two MPPs honestly think that banning the sale of ammunition at local stores will cut down on shootings?

The simple fact of the matter is that criminals, specifically criminal gangs, responsible for most of the shootings in Canada aren’t dropping by Canadian Tire or Cabela’s to pick up their ammo.

These criminals buy their ammunition the same way they buy their guns, illegally. Mostly smuggled in from the United States.

Police have taken to claiming that there are more Canadian guns being used in crimes, stolen from homes and stores. They have claimed 50% of crime guns are now Canadian but they can’t provide any evidence to that effect and both Statistics Canada and the Canadian Firearms Information System have said they don’t track this information.

None of this is stopping politicians from thinking the solution to criminals with guns is to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

“We want to send a message to the federal government that we need tighter controls on firearms to make our cities safer,” Alex Norris, a Montreal city councillor and chair of the city’s public safety committee told the Globe and Mail.

And Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is thinking about doing just that.

There is talk that he will prorogue Parliament and bring in a new throne speech this fall with a promise for tighter gun control.

Why?

So they can be seen to be doing something.

We have strict gun control in this country and the millions of gun owners that follow the rules, take the safety course, go through background checks and get a licence are not the problem.

Does anyone think that the men involved in that shootout in Toronto the other day took their safety course? Do you think they submitted their licence application to the RCMP?

Of course not.

The real solution to these problems lay elsewhere.

Toronto Mayor John Tory has called for bail reform, denying bail to repeat offenders for gun offences. That is an idea worth looking at.

Police officers will tell you that they can pick these dangerous guys up but they are back on the street committing crimes again within days if not hours.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s plan to crack down on bail conditions and putting $25 million into law enforcement in Toronto is also a more fruitful endeavour than bringing in more gun control.

By the time the gang bangers let their bullets fly in the streets they have already broken a half-dozen laws before pulling the trigger.

The circumstances of the brother's coma deserve to be examined closely. The point is not to get 'evidence' so much as to investigate it to see if there are signs of jihadi activity. It had to be a huge drug bust.

Forty-two kilograms of Carfentanyl was found in a Pickering basement during a carbon monoxide call in late September. (Durham Regional Police)
An Oshawa man — previously arrested on more than 330 firearm charges — is now facing an additional drug charge after police found large amounts of a deadly opioid at a Pickering residence late September.

Durham Regional Police say they discovered a suspicious substance while responding to a carbon monoxide alarm in a residential Pickering neighbourhood on Sep. 20.

Oshawa man faces 337 charges after 33 guns found in Pickering home
After obtaining a warrant, Durham police, along with the Ontario Provincial Police's clandestine lab unit, found 33 guns and 53 kilograms of an unknown substance in the basement of the home.

Lab results from Health Canada have now identified 42 kilograms of that substance as Carfentanyl.

( another case of someone being found with drugs and an illegal hand gun , but the current laws seem to be working , this suspect faces several charges under the firearms act , including unauthorized possession ( as he didn't have a license ) and careless storage ( as it was being carried in a car ) . the point is why would the police new new gun laws to deal with the criminals ? they can already arrest and charge these bad dudes as things are now )

Orillia Man Faces Numerous Drug and Weapons Charges After Being Found with Illegal Handgun

By Drew McMillin -
August 22, 2018 9:08 am
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An Orillia man is facing a slew of weapons and drugs charges after he was stopped by police in Orillia last week, police say.

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, Orillia OPP say they received a tip about a man with an illegal firearm. Members of the Orillia Community Street Crime Unit then began an investigation into the allegations.

According to police, the next day, Wednesday, August 15, the OPP’s Tactics and Response Unit, along with the Emergency Response Unit conducted a traffic stop and the suspect, Triston John, 29 of Orillia, was arrested. Along with a loaded handgun, police also located and seized quantities of cocaine, heroin, marijuana and psilocybin as a result of the search.

John now faces a slew of charges including possession of a weapon for dangerous purpose, unauthorized possession of a firearm, careless storage of a firearm, possession of cocaine for the purpose of trafficking, possession of heroin for the purpose of trafficking, along with numerous other drug and weapons charges.

He has been taken into custody and is set to appear in court in Orillia on September 4, 2018.

Triston John, born May 21, 1989 of Orillia, was charged with the following offences.

* Possession of weapon for dangerous purpose contrary to Section 88 of the Criminal Code
* Unauthorized possession of a firearm contrary to Section 91(1) of the Criminal Code
Possession of loaded prohibited or restricted firearm contrary to Section 95(a) of the Criminal Code
* Possession of prohibited device or ammunition for dangerous purpose contrary to Section 88 of the Criminal Code
* Possession of firearm or ammunition contrary to prohibition order contrary to Section 111.01(1) of the Criminal Code
* Careless storage of firearm, weapon, prohibited device or ammunition contrary to Section 86(1) of the Criminal Code
* Breach of firearms regulation - store firearm or restricted weapon contrary to Section 86(2) of the Criminal Code
* Fail to comply with probation order contrary to Section 733.1(1) of the Criminal Code
* Possession of a schedule I substance for the purpose of trafficking - cocaine contrary Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
* Possession of a schedule I substance for the purpose of trafficking - heroin contrary to Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
* Numerous other drug and weapons charges
https://www.orilliamatters.com/police-beat/illegal-handgun-and-drugs-seized-in-1022515

This illustrates the comprehensiveness of our gun laws -- just for having a loaded gun in his possession -- he faces seven specified charges, plus "numerous other ... weapon charges." The gun could have been in his car and been in his car rather than his belt.

I am not making the case for the perp, here. I am making the point that there are lots of gun laws that cover this situation. This guy is probably in as much trouble for his gun as he is for his drugs.

Triston John, born May 21, 1989 of Orillia, was charged with the following offences.

* Possession of weapon for dangerous purpose contrary to Section 88 of the Criminal Code
* Unauthorized possession of a firearm contrary to Section 91(1) of the Criminal Code
Possession of loaded prohibited or restricted firearm contrary to Section 95(a) of the Criminal Code
* Possession of prohibited device or ammunition for dangerous purpose contrary to Section 88 of the Criminal Code
* Possession of firearm or ammunition contrary to prohibition order contrary to Section 111.01(1) of the Criminal Code
* Careless storage of firearm, weapon, prohibited device or ammunition contrary to Section 86(1) of the Criminal Code
* Breach of firearms regulation - store firearm or restricted weapon contrary to Section 86(2) of the Criminal Code
* Fail to comply with probation order contrary to Section 733.1(1) of the Criminal Code
* Possession of a schedule I substance for the purpose of trafficking - cocaine contrary Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
* Possession of a schedule I substance for the purpose of trafficking - heroin contrary to Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
* Numerous other drug and weapons charges
https://www.orilliamatters.com/police-beat/illegal-handgun-and-drugs-seized-in-1022515

This illustrates the comprehensiveness of our gun laws -- just for having a loaded gun in his possession -- he faces seven specified charges, plus "numerous other ... weapon charges." The gun could have been in his car and been in his car rather than his belt.

I am not making the case for the perp, here. I am making the point that there are lots of gun laws that cover this situation. This guy is probably in as much trouble for his gun as he is for his drugs.

if he gets jail time it will likely be for the gun not the drugs , although some judges have been more harsh if there found with fentanyl lately

but it illustrates the point people involved in crime or drugs can acquire guns thru the black market rather easily . its clearly stated this person did not have a firearms license so he couldn't of walked into a gun show or store and bought a hand gun

without a license he couldn't of even walked into the Canadian tire in Orillia and bought ammunition ( as under firearms law , you must show that you have a license to buy ammunition , although I'm unsure if you need a restricted license to buy hand gun ammo or simply any firearms license ) but either way he couldn't of bought the ammo legally , would of had to get it thru the black market as well

his undoing I'd have to assume was that he likely showed the wrong person his gun ( either to be cool or cause someone wouldn't pay there drug debt ) and they told someone else about it . who in turn told the police about it , they might get a small cash reward if it went thru crime stoppers tip line

but either way there is already existing firearms laws on the books to deal with illegal guns , why would we need a new law ? what about trudeau's new gun law is going to actually stop criminals from acquiring a gun ?

it seems trudeau's law is just smoke and mirrors so it looks like he's doing something about crime , when in reality the liberals haven't done much of anything and political correctness has made it much more difficult for the police to do there jobs and catch the bad guys

( an interesting tweet out of Toronto , the head of the Toronto police union is the latest to say a gun ban in Toronto would be pointless not the solution to end crime and instead wants more resources and officers on the streets )

Mike McCormack‏ @TPAca · 34m34 minutes ago

A gun ban is not the solution. In discussions with @JohnTory to get the resources we need now to improve public safety & reduce officer burn-out

( more evidence the idea of a hand gun ban is pointless unless your a politician who wants to become more popular , won't do anything to stop actual crime on the streets )

WARMINGTON: No bang with gun ban

Joe Warmington

Published:
August 25, 2018

Updated:
August 25, 2018 4:21 PM EDT

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Ban all the legal guns you can find.

Build as many brand new community centres you can budget, throw millions of dollars into social welfare programs and improved community housing.

But don’t expect the shootings to stop.

Don’t expect the guns to disappear or drugs and crime either.

And with Toronto already at 68 murders, many of them gun-related – number 67 involved Faysal Mohamed Hees, 26, who was shot to death in his Etobicoke highrise apartment building Friday – what’s the answer?

“There’s no replacing boots on the ground,” says Toronto Police Association President McCormack. “We need more officers on the street.”

A union boss looking for new members? Or is he absolutely right?

McCormack believes he and Mayor John Tory are actually on the same page on staffing. Just not in prioritizing it.

A tweet McCormack put out this week illustrated that.

“A gun ban is not the solution. In discussions with (Mayor) John Tory to get the resources we need now to improve public safety and reduce officer burn-out.”

He’s hoping they will meet this week where his message to the mayor will be clear.

“We need to deploy 250 officers by the end of the year,” said McCormack. “It’s the only way we can help make an immediate dent in this year’s out of control violence.”

The gangs and criminals “know we only have a few cars on shift in some divisions,” said McCormack.

And they exploit it.

“There are so many calls we can’t get to anymore because we just don’t have enough officers.”

Banning the sale of legal guns is not going to help that.

“Pushing a gun ban is good for the politicians but does absolutely nothing for the officers on the street,” said McCormack.

Tory has been quoted saying 50% of crimes on the street are caused by guns stolen from legal owners but McCormack said the statistic fed to Tory and other politicians is not accurate or reflective of what’s really going on.

Other studies put at more like 12%.

“A crime gun is a crime gun,” said McCormack.

Whatever avenue is shut down, there’s other sources that can fill the void.

Stopping the sale of legal guns for target shooting is not a solution.

“What we need is a more robust presence in the street to keep all people with illegal guns in check,” he said. “That starts with a new influx of police officers deployed.”

Tory told the Sun Wednesday at the barbecue for Danforth shooting victim Reese Fallon that “we have hired 200 officers” as part of an overall approach to beef up the numbers.

But McCormack said while it’s a start it’s not going to help now.

“That 200 that won’t be in uniform until next year and won’t replace the 500 officers who have retired or left,” he said.

His suggestion is “deploy 250 this year.”

He said “open the doors of our police college which are training 57 new recruits now to another 250,” he said. “If we all work together we can have them trained in three months and deployed by the end of the year. We better get going.”

Of course this will cost money but in a year when Toronto could break its homicide record or even hit 100 murders, it seems like a good place to spend it.

"Boots on the ground"... translates into fat asses sitting in cars. It won't make any difference. To make it even worse, half the fat asses have to be female, so it means nobody takes a chance in a situation where a cop could be hurt until they have assembled a gang of 40 or so coppers. That takes them 20 minutes.

( the liberals now plan to do some sort of gun control review ? well not impeding the lawful use of firearms by Canadians . question is hand guns are banned , how does a target shooter go to there local club to practice , wouldn't that interfere with this persons lawful use of firearms in Canada ?

but either way a review sounds like the liberals way of doing nothing concrete on firearms until after the next election if they get back in )

Liberals to look at 'full ban' on handguns, assault weapons

Bill Blair, minister of border security and organized crime reduction, will lead gun control review

Bill Blair, Canada's minister of border security and organized crime reduction, has been tasked with examining a full ban on handguns and assault weapons. (RCMP)

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The federal government plans to study a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada.

A mandate letter to Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Minister Bill Blair from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sets the minister to the task of working with Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale on policy, regulations or legislation on gun control.

"You should lead an examination of a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada, while not impeding the lawful use of firearms by Canadians," the mandate letter reads.

It also outlines other jobs for the new portfolio, including leading the government's plan to deal with asylum seekers entering Canada outside official border points (which the letter refers to as "irregular migration"), overseeing the legalization of marijuana and cracking down on opioids.

The issue of gun control arose after the July 22 mass shooting in Toronto's Greektown.

Trudeau promised at the time that the government would take steps to ensure Canadians are safe, but did not say if the government was considering a handgun ban.

Besides leading the examination of a handgun ban, Blair will manage illegal migration and oversee the legalization of marijuana. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

"We're looking at things that have been done around the world, things that have been done in other jurisdictions, looking at the best evidence, the best data, to make the right decisions to make sure that we are ensuring our citizens, our communities are safe into the future," Trudeau said.

Minister's marching orders

Blair's mandate letter was released by the Prime Minister's Office on Tuesday, along with those for each member of cabinet.

His other marching orders include:
•Develop new policies and legislation to reduce organized crime, gang activity and money laundering in Canada, working with provinces, territories and municipalities, as well as community organizations, law enforcement and border agencies.
•Lead talks with the United States on modernizing the Safe Third Country Agreement.
•Seek additional opportunities to expand pre-clearance operations for travellers to the United States.

( it makes little sense for a junior minister to be in charge or such a review to begin with . such a serious and significant change to the firearms laws should be in the hands of the Justice Minister or Minister of Public Safety .

the liberals have also yet to explain how they could " ban " criminals from possessing hand guns in our major cities as criminals don't go thru back ground checks and buying on the black market to begin with )

Blair tapped to review a handgun ban, lead Safe Third Country talks

By Tim Naumetz and Anna Desmarais . Published on Aug 28, 2018 4:15pm

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has put Border Security Minister Bill Blair in charge of a government review of a possible full ban on handguns and assault rifles in Canada, new mandate letters for cabinet ministers reveal.

Blair will also be leading conversations with the United States on the Safe Third Country Agreement and puts him in charge of the government’s response to irregular migration, as well as the rollout of legal cannabis, according to his official mandate letter from the prime minister.

Details on his new cabinet position as minister of border security and organized crime, along with the rest of the new cabinet ministers, have been made public in a release of ministerial mandates a month after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shook up his cabinet in July. The mandate letters formally set out responsibilities for Trudeau’s cabinet ministers.

Blair’s mandate latter says his assignment to lead the government’s response to irregular migration will be “fully supported” by the departments and agencies under Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Minister Ahmed Hussen and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.

Blair will also represent Canada on the Ad Hoc Intergovernmental Task Force on Irregular Migration, with the expectation he will “work in close collaboration and partnership with provinces, territories and municipalities to help address this ongoing challenge.”

The creation of the ministry of Border Security was met with alarm from refugee advocate groups who said “this development stands to deepen public fears, misunderstandings and stereotypes,” in an open letter to the Prime Minister signed by nine organizations including Amnesty International Canada, the Canadian Council for Refugees and the International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group.

The groups say the mix of Blair’s responsibility to tackle organized crime along with irregular migration “erodes” support for refugees coming to Canada.

“To have created a new Ministry that combines border security/irregular migration responsibilities … inescapably risks feeding the very dangerous narrative that people who are fleeing for their lives are breaking the law and even threatening our security,” the letter continues.

The groups also called on the government to clarify Blair’s new role before the ministerial letters were released to avoid further confusion.

As the government focuses on the nuts and bolts of criminal gun use and other issues that were not at the front of the line in 2015, Blair must also support Goodale on getting the government’s non-restricted gun control bill through the Commons this fall.

“You should lead an examination of a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada, while not impeding the lawful use of firearms by Canadians,” the letter instructs Blair – who, in 2012, opposed a handgun ban in Toronto as gang shootings were rising.

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale told reporters in July that Canada is in “exploratory” talks with the United States to re-open the Safe Third Country Agreement after an emergency committee meeting on irregular migration.

A spokesperson from IRCC said Hussen approached the Americans as recently as June 4 with concerns in the Safe Third Country Agreement but so far no formal conversations have started yet. The department is hoping the dialogue to modernize the agreement can start “as soon as possible”.

The agreement blocks refugee claimants from the U.S. from making asylum claims at official ports of entry to Canada. But those who enter elsewhere and make it onto Canadian soil can still apply.

The agreement has been hotly contested since it was first signed, but calls have been mounting over the past year to suspend or revoke the agreement. Some critics argue the U.S. is no longer a safe country for persecuted people in the wake of growing anti-immigration sentiment.

The Conservatives, on the other hand, have been urging the Trudeau government to close a “loophole” in the agreement that encourages the irregular movement of refugees into Canada. In their recent immigration platform release, the Conservatives suggest expanding the Safe Third Country Agreement by enforcing the entire border and creating similar agreements between G7 countries.

Blair’s ministerial letter does not have a guarantee assuring Canadians the government will be renegotiating the agreement to help refugees crossing into border towns throughtout the country, immigration critic Michelle Rempel argued.

“The letter contains no formal commitment to renegotiate the Safe Third Country Agreement in such a way that would close the loophole that facilitates the Roxham Road crossing in Quebec. This is because Justin Trudeau has no intention of doing so,” she wrote in a statement.

Rempel also accused the prime minister of creating Blair’s new ministry as an “exercise in public relations.”

She was equally concerned about Blair’s role in reviewing gun legislation.

Blair will also lead efforts to reduce opioid smuggling into Canada and other measures to reduce organized crime and gang activity.

“This work should include a focus on cutting off money laundering which, as we have seen recently in British Columbia, supports our efforts to counter guns, gangs and opioid distribution,” his letter says.

The prime minister has directed other ministers to pay attention to the Canada-U.S. file including issues around trade and energy.

International Trade Diversification Minister Jim Carr is being tapped to boost trade in key markets “whether or not a trade agreement exists.”

His mandate letter tells him to focus on trade with Asia by moving the needle on trade talks with China, India, and regional pacts in the Pacific and South America. Carr is also asked to help with trade talks with the U.S.

Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi has been asked to help workers caught up in trade disputes, while simultaneously working with the U.S. and Mexico on “energy security.”

( what I find so striking about the gun control debate is how little the people calling for more gun control or bans know about the current existing laws .

here is a tweet from Brett Wilson a well known Canadian business person , calling for a hand gun registry if they don't do a all out ban .

except legal hand guns in Canada have been registered for decades and already an existing requirement to own one legally

a ban would actually eliminate the existing hand gun registry and create a black market for hand guns where the police have no control and would not know who has one or not . a ban would actually eliminate the existing rules and regulations placed on hand guns in Canada )

* W. Brett Wilson *‏Verified account @WBrettWilson

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* W. Brett Wilson * Retweeted The Hill

While I struggle to support many (most) liberal policies or beliefs or dreams - this resonates for me.

Federal government confirms plan to study a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada

Molly Hayes

Patrick White

Jeff Gray Toronto City Hall Reporter

Published 17 hours ago

Updated August 28, 2018

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is directing Bill Blair to examine a full ban on handgun and assault weapons, according to a mandate letter issued Tuesday to the Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction.

The letter — which comes roughly one month after the cabinet shuffle that established this new portfolio — instructs Mr. Blair to support Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale on the passage of Bill C-71 (the Liberals’ gun control bill) and to work with the Minister on additional policies, regulations, or legislation that could help reduce gun crime.

Part of this work, the letter notes, should include studying the possibility of “a full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada, while not impeding the lawful use of firearms by Canadians.”

The Globe and Mail has previously reported that the Prime Minister is deciding whether to pursue a gun ban as part of a new legislative agenda he would outline in a fall Throne Speech.

The mandate formalizes the federal government’s commitment to explore new gun-control measures.

City councils in both Montreal and Toronto have called on Ottawa to implement bans on handguns and assault weapons, citing previous mass shootings in both cities — including, most recently, a shooting spree along Toronto’s busy Danforth Avenue on July 22, 2018, that killed an 18-year-old and a 10-year-old girl, and a shooting last year at a Quebec City mosque that left six worshippers dead.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, left, pays his respects and places flowers at the fountain at the Alexander the Great Parkette, near where people were gunned down and injured from the recent Danforth shootings in Toronto on July 30, 2018.

Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press

Standing just feet from the scene of the Toronto attack last month, Mr. Trudeau told reporters his government was open to a handgun ban and would be studying approaches that other jurisdictions have taken.

Ahead of a cabinet retreat in Nanaimo, B.C. last week, Mr. Blair confirmed gun policy would be one of their topics of discussion.

The opposition Conservative Party has previously said they would need to see details of a proposed ban in order to assess it. Pierre Paul-Hus, the shadow minister for public safety, said in a statement that they support measures that target “thugs and criminals” — but not those that would take away property from law-abiding sport shooters.

Toronto Mayor John Tory said he welcomed word of Mr. Blair’s mandate letter. “If it’s going to help even a little bit, to stop one death from occurring in this city or one shooting, then to me it is a step that is worth the consideration that Minister Blair has been asked to give to it,” Mr. Tory told reporters.

Such a ban, Mr. Tory said, was only one in a series of measures being discussed to curb violence. And he stopped short of advocating for a national ban, saying he would favour one in Toronto, but would leave the issue of the rest of the country to the federal government.

“I actually would just start with Toronto because … I know the question of the rest of Canada carries with it various complications, political and other kinds of complications,” Mr. Tory said.

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police on Tuesday said they have not taken a stand on a handgun ban and that they will be forming a special purpose committee to look into the issue of gun violence in more detail.

Tony Bernardo, executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, expressed anger over the government’s decision and vowed that the Liberals would pay in the coming election if they ever enacted a handgun ban.

The Association and its 30,000 members were instrumental in protesting the long-gun registry when it was introduced as part of Bill C-68 in 1995 and, eventually, lobbying the Conservative government to quash the registry 17 years later.

“If the Liberals think it was bad during C-68, go ahead and ban 1-million guns in Canada and see what happens,” Mr. Bernardo said. “There will be such protest between now and next election that the Liberals don’t have hope in hell of winning this.”

Mr. Bernardo said lawful gun owners who must follow tight restrictions on how they store and transport their weapons should not be blamed for the problem of gun violence.

“What we’re angry about is that politicians consistently try to deflect their inability to do anything about gang crime over onto citizens who obey the law.”

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