Since Dave has earned people's respect they listen and ended up taking that text too literal imo.

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Sure, but me saying that right from the word go, gets it out of the way. I also said "this is why AMD is going to fix it". Can't blame anyone else for the text I wrote, that's all on my head.

Because for me, it is literally as bad as that. I literally explored every possible avenue for why CrossfireX was behaving poorly, visually, to me, when benches said otherwise, and even FPS. Drives, PSUs, boards, memory, CPUs, SDDs/HDDs, blah blah blah, ad naseum. I'm left-handed. To some, that's explain why I'm more sensitive to this issue than most. I also tend to run high-end configs, multi-monitor and such, that few users do.

For me, that second, third and fourth card I have, they are basically useless. I expect, that when this card launches, that will change. Actually, I expect the first WHQL after the card lunches to fix it for all cards, honestly.

Sure, but me saying that right from the word go, gets it out of the way. I also said "this is why AMD is going to fix it". Can't blame anyone else for the text I wrote, that's all on my head.

Because for me, it is literally as bad as that. I literally explored every possible avenue for why CrossfireX was behaving poorly, visually, to me, when benches said otherwise, and even FPS. Drives, PSUs, boards, memory, CPUs, SDDs/HDDs, blah blah blah, ad naseum. I'm left-handed. To some, that's explain why I'm more sensitive to this issue than most. I also tend to run high-end configs, multi-monitor and such, that few users do.

For me, that second, third and fourth card I have, they are basically useless. I expect, that when this card launches, that will change. Actually, I expect the first WHQL after the card lunches to fix it for all cards, honestly.

For the record, i'm ambidextrous I have 3 wrongarms in my immediate family...

The board is PCIe 3.0 but doesn't support CF/SLI due to be itx. I was just curious for the future upgrades available to me with this machine I have no idea how it would work with it being single card, admittedly i know nothing about multi card GFX

The board is PCIe 3.0 but doesn't support CF/SLI due to be itx. I was just curious for the future upgrades available to me with this machine I have no idea how it would work with it being single card, admittedly i know nothing about multi card GFX

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Your board doesn't support cfx/SLI in the sense of 2 individual cards since it has a single pcie slot. But a dual gpu card (7990/690) will work on that board.

If you're interested in taking a gander at 690 in an ITX build, mosey on through this thread on [H], pretty nice.

Because for me, it is literally as bad as that. I literally explored every possible avenue for why CrossfireX was behaving poorly, visually, to me, when benches said otherwise, and even FPS. Drives, PSUs, boards, memory, CPUs, SDDs/HDDs, blah blah blah, ad naseum. I'm left-handed. To some, that's explain why I'm more sensitive to this issue than most. I also tend to run high-end configs, multi-monitor and such, that few users do.

For me, that second, third and fourth card I have, they are basically useless. I expect, that when this card launches, that will change. Actually, I expect the first WHQL after the card lunches to fix it for all cards, honestly.

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Ha, exactly! Is nice to see that is not only me that gets only 50% (at tops) working games on CrossfireX. Actually I have just noticed that mostly all the games that support Unreal Engine works very good on Crossfire. The other engines...lottery.

I have run xfire since the 3 series days as well. Games then were heavily hit or miss at least now its a lot more likely they will support it rather than not.

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Crossfire has never been this bad OVERALL. Nearly 90% of DX10/11 titles have issues for me, and DX9 games are fine. 6-series Crossfire has like 95% scaling, and none of the issues the 7-series does, at least...the drivers back then weren't such a problem. But back then, we never had the GPU power we have now, too. I think that might be part of it.

However, this is the second generation that AMD has had a design that wasn't used fully at launch...the first 512 MB card only used 256 MB of ram for MONTHS after they first came out(I clearly remember everyone saying 512MB was useless, then a driver came out and boost performance). That says a lot about how much the 7-series driver base has changed, and I am pretty sure that the whole driver team changed over the life of the 7-series, too. I knew about this problem, yet still have four AMD 79xx-series GPUs, so clearly I still have some faith in AMD.

Crossfire has never been this bad OVERALL. Nearly 90% of DX10/11 titles have issues for me, and DX9 games are fine. 6-series Crossfire has like 95% scaling, and none of the issues the 7-series does, at least...the drivers back then weren't such a problem. But back then, we never had the GPU power we have now, too. I think that might be part of it.

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This is both sad to hear and hard to believe I'm wondering if it is because you run Eyefinity/MultiPanel? Like if you were running single panel only would you still have as many issues? I'm sure you tried everything...

However, this is the second generation that AMD has had a design that wasn't used fully at launch...the first 512 MB card only used 256 MB of ram for MONTHS after they first came out(I clearly remember everyone saying 512MB was useless, then a driver came out and boost performance). That says a lot about how much the 7-series driver base has changed, and I am pretty sure that the whole driver team changed over the life of the 7-series, too. I knew about this problem, yet still have four AMD 79xx-series GPUs, so clearly I still have some faith in AMD.

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Well IIRC Nvidia had years to work with SLi tech before they released it to the masses so naturally they should have the better overall product. That said, i don't doubt ATi's ability with this new architecture and the ability of the driver team to get things sorted out a bit better in the near future. Especially considering the parterships AMD/ATi is currently involved in, and will be in the near future. I'm thinking that in ~2yrs i'll be installing a dual GPU card into my system

This is both sad to hear and hard to believe I'm wondering if it is because you run Eyefinity/MultiPanel? Like if you were running single panel only would you still have as many issues? I'm sure you tried everything...

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I can confirm Dave's posting. I'm running 2x 5870s and most of DX10/11 games work worst in Crossfire than in single card mode.

Well IIRC Nvidia had years to work with SLi tech before they released it to the masses so naturally they should have the better overall product. That said, i don't doubt ATi's ability with this new architecture and the ability of the driver team to get things sorted out a bit better in the near future. Especially considering the parterships AMD/ATi is currently involved in, and will be in the near future. I'm thinking that in ~2yrs i'll be installing a dual GPU card into my system

So you are familiar yourself. SLI Isn't all that great either IMO. They may be better at it than ATi currently is but i still don't see the value in it personally at this time

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I have had a lot less issues running SLi than I ever had running crossfire. That I have ran since the 7 series to include the 7950GX2's. My other brother is actually running a GTS250/9800GTX+ SLi setup right now. He only plays things like minecraft (he is 13 years old) and CS:S so it's plenty for his 1680x1050 panel and boy was he excited on his bday when I found him that second card

If your going by what PcPer data and saying that SLI is better is just plain silly.

Its like saying your still willing to be robber but aslong as the robber makes the robbery as smooth as possible for you its okay. Although the robber will only be smooth at 1080p and at 1440p he start roughing you up and at 5760x1080 the robber will call his buddy and they both rough you up

I personally rather not be robbed at all.

I'm sure theres plenty of web-site for that kind of fetish/mind set and cost far less then buying two GTX 680s.

If your going by what PcPer data and saying that SLI is better is just plain silly.

Its like saying your still willing to be robber but aslong as the robber makes the robbery as smooth as possible for you its okay. Although the robber will only be smooth at 1080p and at 1440p he start roughing you up and at 5760x1080 the robber will call his buddy and they both rough you up

I personally rather not be robbed at all.

I'm sure theres plenty of web-site for that kind of fetish/mind set and cost far less then buying two GTX 680s.

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Well, the truth of the matter is that most SLI users are happy. As you can see, there are CrossfireX users who are not happy, so they have a larger voice right now. Welcome to the internet. No complainers = it works.

Unless of course, you want to tell us you run SLI and have issues, and can document them like PCPerspective does...then...people might actually listen to what you have to say. Until then, your comments are gonna fall on deaf ears. This is, after all, a 7990 thread, not an SLI thread. Crossfire has something to do with the OP, since the card in question is "Crossfire on a stick", which makes the comments from Crossfire users relevant. What Nvidia does, or is doing, or offers...doesn't matter here.

Well, the truth of the matter is that most SLI users are happy. As you can see, there are CrossfireX users who are not happy, so they have a larger voice right now. Welcome to the internet. No complainers = it works.

Unless of course, you want to tell us you run SLI and have issues, and can document them like PCPerspective does...then...people might actually listen to what you have to say. Until then, your comments are gonna fall on deaf ears. This is, after all, a 7990 thread, not an SLI thread. Crossfire has something to do with the OP, since the card in question is "Crossfire on a stick", which makes the comments from Crossfire users relevant. What Nvidia does, or is doing, or offers...doesn't matter here.

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Then i dont think SLI user are that knowledgable if they are looking at PCPer data and coming out satisfied.

I guess they can be satified compared to what or whom? Not getting as screwed as Xfire users ? They are still getting screwed nonetheless.

I dont see how you or anyone can be happy about that. Although your saying as long as the user is oblivious its okay because there happy ?

Then i dont think SLI user are that knowledgable if they are looking at PCPer data and coming out satisfied.

I guess they can be satified compared to what or whom? Not getting as screwed as Xfire users ? They are still getting screwed nonetheless.

I dont see how you or anyone can be happy about that. Although your saying as long as the user is oblivious its okay because there happy ?

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If someone is enjoying Crossfire, then sure, I have no problem with that(works fine for me for benchmarking, and for DX9 titles). To me, what PCPerspective has done is not shown that Crossfire was broken.. I already knew that, and had been posting that for months and months.

All that PCPerspective offers, to me, is a reasonable explanation as to why, and it's and explanation that AMD verified. It also explained why AMD didn't release a driver in March to help fix this, as they had said they would.

That's all. SLI plays no part in this, for me. I don't compare the two. I also don't compare AMD vs Nvidia, since for me, AMD is the only option for VGAs. If a user likes Nvidia videocards, I'll tell them to buy one. I don't make such choices, and don't play favorites. Both sides have their benefits and consequences of use.

What I don't understand is why you care what other people think, and why you make these assumptions?

Xzibit is just a fan of all things AMD, I hope he gets paid for all his hard PR work, because he certainly does a better job than the people that actually do.

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I'll take that as a compliment

I doubt i'd be good at it since only one of my four current PCs in my house have a AMD product in them.

Intel/Nvidia
Intel/Nvidia
Intel/Nvidia
Intel/AMD (Current one in my signutare since its the newest one)

I build a new one and giveaway one every 2yrs sometimes i'll update the GPU sooner. I just gave away the oldest pc to my neighbor which had Intel/Nvidia. He mentioned he was struggling to talk to his son back east with his PC so after a few visits I gave him a PC which was atleast 3gens higher then what he was using.

So if anything I should be getting paid by Intel/Nvidia for providing PCs to old and needy people.

Anyhow I think i've taken the topic way off course. Back on track I'm still curious to know what chip it will be using ?

I wish I could kill myself instead of using windows (OSX can suck it too).

I had 4890s and that shit was rock solid (upgrade from 8800GT SLI).

I also had 6950s (flashed of course lol) and games were fine except for the troublesome ones that also caused serious SLI issues.

7900 series scales far better than the 6900 series...but I only have one currently. Take away nvidia trickery and I don't think the problems are that bad (they can suck a giant one for all the AA problems that they intentionally cause).