Comments on: It came from the PUG: Make him run!!!https://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/
MMOs and game designSat, 08 Aug 2015 21:38:35 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Stabshttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13605
Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:53:15 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13605I don’t actually think it’s an error to leave if you feel uncomfortable with someone.

I found a random 2s partner the other day and he asked me to come outside for a duel first. I never duel. He trashed me.

He then started moaning that we’d never win a match and he was so depressed.

Now logically I would have maximised my gain by stroking his ego and trying to talk him around as he was a good player (and we would have won 5 matches fast) but I preferred to call him a *&^% and put him on ignore.

It is just a game. One does not have to maximise everything. It’s not an error to decide you don’t want to play with an arse, attribution or otherwise.

]]>By: Stubbornhttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13602
Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:42:26 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13602I was recently informed on my alt DK that I would be joining the ranks of fail dks forever because I had twice death gripped a mob running for the healer at the exact same moment the tank taunted it. Thus, the tank’s taunt being on cooldown, I got beat on for a few moments while he regained control. After he complained, I pointed out that I’d rather have the mob hitting me – or even killing me – than the healer. He agreed that I should die.

Ah, pugs. I was only trying to help. No harm, no foul? Nope, nope, nope.

Well, I made his life a living hell the rest of the instance by pointing out every time “a death grip really would have been useful there.” The mage died at one point, the healer nearly died at another, but no, I didn’t DG the whole rest of the instance. I know I shouldn’t be proud of my actions, but I think that’s the point of my comment; it’s hard not to respond to bad behavior in kind. Or, as Medea said right before she killed her children, “I know what I do is wrong, but my irrational side is stronger than my rational.” Or something like that.

]]>By: Phaedrahttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13599
Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:00:15 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13599If I’m tanking, I’ll let the first mistake like that go (maybe they hit the wrong button or whatever).
Second time it happens, I’ll say something like “Please watch CC” or “Please let me pull”.
If it happens again, I address the offending character by name in party chat and ask them why they are continueing their behavior. I’ve had a variety of explanations, from not understanding their class, to knowing the group could handle it based on my tanking and the healing being done, to sullen responses.

If I’m on my alt and mess up something like that, I immediately state what happened, that it was my bad, and I’d understand if the group wanted to kick me. Generally, with my contriteness, most groups laugh it off (even if it’s a wipe) and say they’ve all been there.

So, ultimately, it comes down to communication. I’m willing to give and receive, as long as the others in my group do so.

]]>By: spinkshttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13573
Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:58:53 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13573The idea of the lobby is a really interesting one, definitely.
]]>By: spinkshttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13572
Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:58:03 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13572He probably was an arse, but it’s quite possible that the rest of the instance would have been OK.

I wonder though if part of the reason I left was just feeling uncomfortable at being called out like that. It’s like, I died on a trash pull in a normal instance, can we move on already without treating it like a progression boss fight where we need to dissect everyone’s play?

]]>By: spinkshttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13571
Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:55:40 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13571I’d be with you on that (the latter I mean). Especially if the mobs weren’t marked or people were AEing, I got far more relaxed in Wrath about people pulling aggro. Even in Cataclysm, I’d be more annoyed if they ignored kill order or broke CC early.
]]>By: jalindrinehttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13567
Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:11:48 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-135671.) To just barely connect with your theme, the right rxn for a tank when someone *inconveniently* grabs aggro is to let them handle it. You wanna off-tank, knock yourself out. Honestly, I hate it when a tank tries to pull a mob back when I see a good opportunity (a mob with high AOE dmg or one where I’m high on aggro and have low health on mobs) and go full bore. I’m not squishy and I gotz heelz. Assume I know what I’m doing.

But they should still rez ya, even if you screw up, and even if you’re a DK. ;^) Like, um, smakendahed says, why are you making everyone wait?

1. got pissy at one example of lost agro
2. tell the healer what to do
3. make everyone wait
4. in a normal dungeon

]]>By: Hirvoxhttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13561
Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:32:26 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13561As a paladin tank I tend to opt for 4. Lowbie instances aren’t worth the hassle of arguing/educating, the margin of error is bigh enough to even let two DPS go AFK and as a tank the queue is practically instant anyway.

As DPS choose 3 just to hope for the best. If it was just a one-off error, I’ll be able to salvage the situation with some CC. But if I’m wrong, I’ll try some constructive criticism like “Don’t use multishot while facing the CCd mobs”. After that they’re on notice: One mistake and I’ll propose a kick. If it fails, obviously I’m the problem so I’ll leave and take my chances with the queue.

]]>By: Stabshttps://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/it-came-from-the-pug-make-him-run/#comment-13559
Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:25:03 +0000http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=5210#comment-13559Incidentally I just experienced being on the receiving end of 2 attribution errors in one.

Last boss of Utgarde Keep – tank, ret pally and rogue all stood in Slam and died instantly. Me and the hunter duoed the boss for them.

Ret Pally says “healer u suck”. Now I wouldn’t mind but this tank really had been made of paper and I’d worked miracles to get us through with only one wipe.

2 attribution errors:
1) thinking it was my fault he died
2) thinking I would ress him