So you've been to Russia? Lived there maybe? You buy some other Russian products? You don't think there are quality control issues with almost everything made in that country? Sure it's not NICE to say that as a whole the country has huge QC issues. True though.

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You know, the more bokad posts replies, the more inconsistencies appear with his comments. The more generalizations and dissing of all things Russian...

Yep, that sounds very Ural indeed. Needing to replace the cylinder I mean.

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Originally Posted by JerseyBlues

I've seen Ural owners replace cylinders in a campground on the ground covered in pine needles while drinking Baltika #9s

Blah blah blah... why so defensive and petty? Is this the part where I'm supposed to list my credentials to meet your approval? Talk about war zones and bombs and park benches I've slept on? Will it be enough adventure for you? Will I get your approval then?
Do you really need to personally denigrate people that don't like the bike you own to reassure yourself?

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Originally Posted by JerseyBlues

The more you post, bokad, the more it is apparent that you are certainly not capable of wrenching, let alone adventuring anywhere that doesn't have maid service and your special kind of bar soap in the hotel rooms you would have to stay in. You talk like you are a well-versed world traveller, you had me fooled. Most people that fit in that category just book the trip with a tour guide and ride in the bus...

Do I think they are cool  yes.
Would I like to have one  yes, especially a pumpkin/pink GU!!
Would I buy a new one  no.
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Yes, I am mechanical and yes I am familiar with Soviet and Russian things however I have watched Ural price themselves out for me. For a decked out GU, they are approaching 15k; in my opinion too much for what you get. The GU name is a problem as well however that is another topic

Let me know when your back and we will talk about your M-70. Maybe we can help each other out. I have traveled the 3rd world and understand the QC issues of which you speak. But I'm done traveling and a Ural would be a hobby bike for me. I hope the rest of your trip goes more smoothly.

If you go into Ural ownership with your eyes open, yes you are forgiving, you know what you are buying,It's a well known fact that if your new Ural is gonna break, it'll happen quick after you buy it. Guzzis have a sorting out period too. It's the same for guys that buy Ducatis. No one else makes a bike that is like these limited production bikes, they do have warts, but riding them is satisfying far beyond just riding a soulless sewing machine. Certain people like the weirdness of off brands and put up with whatever comes there way. Before I bought mine, Ural, Guzzis or anything else, I read every forum and every post in those forums so I know what is up and what could happen. By 1600kms I had my two failures, with Ural America's help, they were fixed in record time, since then nothing else has happened. Pretty much what I expected.......

Some of the problems you listed could be easily sorted by yourself if you knew how to wrench. In the time you've spent screwing around here you could have shimmed your needles, put in larger main jets, gone over the bikes and tightened up what is probably some loose hose clamps, just a little participation and viola, smooth running Ural....I know, they should come perfect from the factory, and the dealer should cater to your every need, but in the real world it isn't like that in 98% of any m/c dealerships.

I somewhat agree the price of a new Ural is a bit steep for what you are getting. But then again the price of everything is going up!

Before I bought my Ural (a 1997 unit with a 2008 motor/trans/final drive/ducati igntion built by a very reputable dealer) I did a LOT of research. I looked for the good, the bad and the down right ugly. It never occurred to me during my research to compare a Ural (even a new one) to ANY brand new motorcycle. I drew my comparisions to the BMWs, Dneprs, Zundapps, Harley WLAs and XAs of the era (30s-40s). I considered if I could I even find one of these other units, the price, the price and availabilty of parts, the reliability and people who had real knowledge of any of those old units.

In my dream world where money is no object, the Ural would not have been my first choice. Since I am not independently wealthy, the Ural was my real world choice. It is not a perfect motorcycle. I do not claim to be a mechanic. But I am pretty good at changing parts. Have I taken something apart and made panic'd phone calls to my reputable dealer? Yup? Did I need to? Probably not, as the answer provided was very near what I was thinking or readily found on the www.

That being said, I am glad you started this thread. There is some truth through out it, some fiction and some opinion. There are some things in the thread that would have made me do more research, but nothing that would have scared me away from a Ural. I truly hope potential new Uralists read it as part of their research. I am not hear to tell them what bike to buy.

I also hope that you find a motorcycle that is more suited to your expectations.

I know you have had some problems and you have made some valid points that many of us Uralistas have been complaining about for years. That said some of your other observations miss the mark completely. Its clear that the Ural is not a machine your comfortable with so sell it to someone who can appreciate it for what it is.

To add something to Mr Cobs post, you probably dont want a klr either. Damn, I sure want a Ural now. You guys got me yearning for a sense of adventure. Improving the bike is part of the enjoyment. Be different if it threw a rod every 2,000 miles but it appears to be a bunch of little stuff for the most part.

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I somewhat agree the price of a new Ural is a bit steep for what you are getting. But then again the price of everything is going up!

A Urals price is about the economic realities of volume, not "value".

If you compair a Urals price to other low volume, hand built specialty bikes like Rokon, Confederate, Big Dog, or custom built sidecar rigs then their price seems like a real bargain. Ural builds around 1000 rigs a year, they just don't benefit from the advantages of volume the way a manufacturer who builds !00,000 or a 1000000 bikes a year does.

Look at what it costs to have DMC, or CSM do a custom rig, A lot of folks end up $30 K - $40 K into their rigs. Is that over priced compared to a Ural T's $10 K price tag? Certainly not, those custom rigs are carefully hand built in very small volumes, they dont do it as a public service or charity, they charge what they need it to provide the product and turn a profit the same as Ural.

Price, fair value, and value to an individual are very different things.

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If you compair a Urals price to other low volume, hand built specialty bikes like Rokon, Confederate, Big Dog, or custom built sidecar rigs then their price seems like a real bargain. Ural builds around 1000 rigs a year, they just don't benefit from the advantages of volume the way a manufacturer who builds !00,000 or a 1000000 bikes a year does.

Look at what it costs to have DMC, or CSM do a custom rig, A lot of folks end up $30 K - $40 K into their rigs. Is that over priced compared to a Ural T's $10 K price tag? Certainly not, those custom rigs are carefully hand built in very small volumes, they dont do it as a public service or charity, they charge what they need it to provide the product and turn a profit the same as Ural.

Price, fair value, and value to an individual are very different things.

Perhaps you'd like to compare Irbit wages with North American wages and recalculate the price differential? Also DMC and CSM do ACTUAL custom outfits - not churn out 800 of the essentially same model. Try comparing apples to apples NOT apples to Chinese Gooseberries.