Raiders in midst of final practice before bye

No surprises, or new faces, on the practice field today, as the Raiders get in one last practice before breaking for four days during the bye week.
Cornerback Shawntae Spencer (foot), right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes (groin), defensive tackle Richard Seymour (unknown) and tight end Richard Gordon (hamstring) are the only players not taking part in the proceedings.
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (concussion) is practicing for the second straight day. We spotted him running routes and catching passes, too, which bodes well for a return against the Atlanta Falcons on Oct. 14.
Not sure what’s up with Seymour not practicing. He was here Monday and Tuesday. Best guess is, coach Dennis Allen gave Seymour the day off so that Seymour could fly to Georgia to spend more time with his family. That has been the case in recent seasons.

– Word is circulating that the league will consider moving the Raiders-Jaguars game to Monday night, Oct. 22, if the A’s advance to the American League Championship Series.
The A’s could host Game 6 and or 7 that weekend, depending upon how things play out. Not worth worrying about this early, but be forewarned if you have tickets to that game.

Steve Corkran

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Yo, this one time I played a legit NCAA defense, deyz called Wisconsin.

I was 14-28 for only 156 yards, 0 TDs, and 1 INT.

And dat was one of my better games vs good teams.

YoungAmerican

Most all fans will tell you that.

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And after all, fans always know what they’re talking about.

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

You don’t blow up a 8-8 team.
You build on it!
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8-8 is not very good. I am absolutely positive that the new regime said, 8-8 is not very good. Let’s install our systems and see who fits at the end of year one.

http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
this team should have to
practice thru the bye….
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I second that!
So much work to be done!
How much of a break can you possibly need after 4 games.
sheesh.

DJ Johnny

37.terrell_pryor Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Yo, we went 8-8 last year with a 30th-ranked D and 4 different QBs.

Dats called smoke n mirrors.

We beat the Caleb-Hanie-led Bears, the Chiefs, Kyle-Orton’s Broncos, and lost to EVERY good team we played.

We wasn’t legit.
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8-8 isn’t bad with a 30th ranked D, although NE had the 32nd ranked D and went 12-4(?), and GB gave up most passing yds. in league history and went 15-1.

It’s hard to make sense of it all sometimes.

terrell_pryor

Dem big boys in Wisconsin.

The other time I played them, I was 5 for 13, whoa homie, slow your roll! 5 for 13 with an INT.

Scared scouts away.

YoungAmerican

Again -

If you “build” on an 8-8 season, Al and Hue should have thought about that when they mortgaged the team’s future with big-money contracts for aging and underperforming players, and by shipping away all their draft picks.

There was no more room to build. They preached “win now” and they didn’t. Time to try something new.

@YoungAmerican
So you agree with Mistic that all that ails the Raiders offense is a bad QB?

That our running game isn’t the fault of the O-Line or McFadden, but Palmer…
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thanks for reposting my takes dutch but where in there does it say ‘ all that ails the Raiders offense is a bad QB?”

or
“That our running game isn’t the fault of the O-Line or McFadden, but Palmer”?

they dont exist because i never said them.

i did say that the running game would improve with mobility at qb. i made no claims about palmer being the only reason for anything

in order to have respect lets not make things up

DutchRaider77

@Mistic

See above, that is only a small sample…

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

That depends if you are coming DOWN to 8-8 from let’s say, 12-4 for a couple of seasons, or you have come UP to 8-8 from 5-11.

Good thing they didn’t blow up Gruden’s team when he went 8-8.
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Normally teams that are on an upward swing don’t change regimes.

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

you cant build on 8-8 when you fire the coach and dismiss the starting qb.

ill say it again new owner + new gm+ new hc+ new qb = REBUILD ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT

Al_is_theraiders

try something new as in 1-3?

DMAC

You don’t climb up half a mountain, just to jump off!
You continue to climb!

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

DutchRaider77 Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm

@Mistic

See above, that is only a small sample…
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NO WHERE IN THOSE POST DID I SAY

‘ all that ails the Raiders offense is a bad QB?”

or

“That our running game isn’t the fault of the O-Line or McFadden, but Palmer”

so dont lie on me thanks

2romes

Most NFL coaches owners will tell you that. I though maybe you had trouble reading that part.

52.YoungAmerican Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Most all fans will tell you that.

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And after all, fans always know what they’re talking about.

http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

I can’t see blowing up the #7 running game, and the #5 Oline in the name of rebuilding.

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

Holla! Chargers back in 1st place were they belong biotches! Feels good to be back on top (that’s what she said). Hooha! I almost feel sorry for you chumps. Year after year you come back hoping for wins and it never comes. Maybe you will eventually recover from the spanking we gave you Monday night. In the meantime, cure your ills to the smooth sounds of my band Divebomber!

Most NFL coaches owners will tell you that. I though maybe you had trouble reading that part.

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Most NFL coaches and owners will tell you that every situation is different – especially the one that the Raiders are in. Most NFL coaches and owners also have a lot of respect for Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen.

So you’re basically talking a bunch of s***.

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

KoolKell Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm

I can’t see blowing up the #7 running game, and the #5 Oline in the name of rebuilding.
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Why do some of you keep insisting we had the number five oline and that it is the same? The only player in the same position is Veldheer at LT. Everything else is different. Why can some of you not quite get that?

http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

Why would you rebuild the #5 Oline?

DJ Johnny

The Raiders are on pace to allow a franchise record 500 points, which would snap the mark of 458 set in 1961.
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That’s awesome, but we have a “defensive minded” HC that’ll fix that…right?

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

Hey KookyKell, what do you think will happen first? You sell a house or Raiders have a winning season? Holla, city of ballers!

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

Seymour Bush Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm

That depends if you are coming DOWN to 8-8 from let’s say, 12-4 for a couple of seasons, or you have come UP to 8-8 from 5-11.

Good thing they didn’t blow up Gruden’s team when he went 8-8.
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Normally teams that are on an upward swing don’t change regimes.
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losing 4 of your last 5 games including 12 , 20, and 30 point blowouts is an upward swing?!?!?!?!

we lost our mojo in the cleveland game and never recovered

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm

you cant build on 8-8 when you fire the coach and dismiss the starting qb.

ill say it again new owner + new gm+ new hc+ new qb = REBUILD ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT
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That’s the way I see it. And frankly the way this franchise has played the last 10 years? Good! Blow it the fu** up!

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

I have to go soon. Have some San Diego hotties coming over to play some naked volleyball. Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World!

Most NFL coaches owners will tell you that. I though maybe you had trouble reading that part.

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Most NFL coaches and owners will tell you that every situation is different – especially the one that the Raiders are in. Most NFL coaches and owners also have a lot of respect for Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen.

So you’re basically talking a bunch of s***.

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

Charged Up’s! bonafide stone cold Super Bowl pick!

Chargers 30
Vikings 20

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

Where is my bro Beeech Dawg at? He was partying hard at our last show.

YoungAmerican

You absolutely are talking s***. You’re thinking like a fan. Short-term. Impatient. Unaware of the business side of football. Unable to comprehend the circumstances the Raiders found themselves in. Unwilling to recognize what it takes to build a consistently successful team, and the fact that the Raiders did not have those elements in place last season.

Sorry, I don’t enjoy interacting with fans who have no grasp of reality.

2romes

…And the precentage of losing coaches that lost the77.2romes Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I not talking Sh**. Ask Norv Turner.

Most NFL coaches owners will tell you that. I though maybe you had trouble reading that part.

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Most NFL coaches and owners will tell you that every situation is different – especially the one that the Raiders are in. Most NFL coaches and owners also have a lot of respect for Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen.

So you’re basically talking a bunch of s***.

ir job were?

http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

YoungAmerican Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You absolutely are talking s***. You’re thinking like a fan. Short-term. Impatient. Unaware of the business side of football. Unable to comprehend the circumstances the Raiders found themselves in. Unwilling to recognize what it takes to build a consistently successful team, and the fact that the Raiders did not have those elements in place last season.

Sorry, I don’t enjoy interacting with fans who have no grasp of reality.
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Truth. Raiders need to take lessons from the Chargers. Spanos has built a solid foundation here. One of the most successful teams of the last decade.

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

Man, some of you guys are just play silly. OK, let’s say by some miracle that Almighty God waves a magic wand and appoints some of YOU to run the Joke-sonville Jackoffs. Well, as crazy as this sounds, even with some of you guys, you are not going to say, “OK, we went 5-11 last year. There are some good things here. let’s just keep everything the way it is, or tinker with one or two things and next year, and we will be 14-2″. It is not going to happen that way. You are going to dismantle what is here, and put in your systems, beliefs and players. Over time.

Im a Bra

Whats crackin “bras”? <—- (keyboard style in effect)

I cant wait for the Angels to start buzzing the loft this afternoon, my favorite time of the year, fo sho.

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

palmer Dmac and the oakland running game.

So someone in here is trying to lie on me, i must now recount my take. pay attention dutch.

1. Dmac is a poor fit for the zone scheme. he did run zone in college but it was mainly out of a wild cta package, where he would fake to felix jones. that play fake bought dmac a split second and forced him to slow down and find the crease. felix did most of the outside zone runs, and dmac would routinly go between the tackles or the first gap. he has never been very good runnig to sidline with his shoulders parallel to the los. Dmac is not suited for the outside zone.

2. plamer is ill suited to run the zone bootleg offense as well. his lack of athleticism means the defense does not respect or even notice his boot leg fakes. as soon as they see the o-line turn side ways they know to sell out to dmac because palmer will not van not keep it. This is one of the main reasons dmac is getting hit in the back field on the outside zone, too many defenders to block.

I have also stated that knapp can counter this with a little mis direction and creativity. jet sweeps ghost motions and reverses would easily help dmac find running lanes and slow down the pursuit to the outside zone.

This is a combination of knapps lack of creativity and ability to maximize players talenst, dmacs strength of down hill running being taken awy, and palmer’s inability to threaten the edge in the boot leg game.

I hope this clears up the confusion cuased by others trying to speak for me.

theghostronin79

You don’t climb up half a mountain, just to jump off!
You continue to climb!

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I struggled with this for awhile, but think about it….

Some old dude that loves building cars, passes away and leaves behind a half built “Hot Rod”. Along comes a person who wants to purchase it. He brings it home and tears stuff off, throws some things away and builds HIS vision. He ain’t gonna continue building the “Old Man’s car” who died.

Know what I’m sayin? I dunno, maybe I’m full of Sh*t too. Just trying to make some sense.

2romes

Raiders just fired the Head coach that gave them two decent seasons and you used impatient and consistant in your sentence. Interesting!

guest123

I struggled with this for awhile, but think about it….

Some old dude that loves building cars, passes away and leaves behind a half built “Hot Rod”. Along comes a person who wants to purchase it. He brings it home and tears stuff off, throws some things away and builds HIS vision. He ain’t gonna continue building the “Old Man’s car” who died.

Know what I’m sayin? I dunno, maybe I’m full of Sh*t too. Just trying to make some sense.

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No I know what you’re saying. It’s not completely on the mark though. The dude who built the car likely put so much more time and effort and part of his soul to obtain the vision of his dream car. The guy that is buying it has little or no appreciation of the custom fenders he had to special order and took 6 months to get on back order. The new owner just tears them off with a prybar like they were junk.

That’s kind of the way I see Mark Davis’s view of the franchise. He didn’t build it, runs it now as a businesse venture only, and it wouldn’t kill him to see it die on the vine if it secured his independent wealth. He didn’t create it so it’s easier to destroy.

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

Dmac is a poor fit for the zone scheme.
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Prior to this season, the best season McFadden had as a pro was in the zone system. So, once again, whoever keeps saying this just does not know what they are saying. But hey, we have the same Oline as last year.

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

2romes Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Raiders just fired the Head coach that gave them two decent seasons and you used impatient and consistant in your sentence. Interesting!
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hue was inexperienced and it cost him. he painted himself into a corner, and his actions made him far too untrustworthy. His statments and actions made him lose the trust of players , current and perspective assistant coaches, and most important his boss mark davis and big mck.

Hue was about as diplomatic as the unibomber, and that cost him his job

realtruraider

The last few times we had back to back 8-8 seasons we then went on to have a pretty good run, never going backwards. Its different now because of the new regime thing, but it just fkin sucks that we finally had a good offense. Hue fixed this same krapp we are seeing now, this is the same damn offense Hue changed and for some reason DA wanted to bring the schit back, fkin depressing

The Beeech Dawg

Dive Bomber couldn’t open for Rasta Ganja’s underwear

If our underwear booked the lamest show EVER

The only reason we party in SD is to bag your women and smoke your weed, Charged Down

Last time we were there I got a hella dope hummer from an up and coming porn star on a mega yacht and had to sign a confidentiality agreement

Guess that’s why they call it the blues

RAIDERS REPRESENT FARMER’S FIELD 2015

Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

Seymour Bush Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Dmac is a poor fit for the zone scheme.
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Prior to this season, the best season McFadden had as a pro was in the zone system. So, once again, whoever keeps saying this just does not know what they are saying. But hey, we have the same Oline as last year.
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???????

2010 was his best year, wasnt hu jack the oc that year?

regardless he was having by far his best season last year until he got injured, he clealry far better in the gap power scheme

beechams gay lover

beechy there you are! have you found a penile enlargement pill that works yet

aig-raiders

Reggie should force the entire Raiders team to come and fetch balls for the A’s in BP. Go AAAAAAA’sssss

http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

???????

2010 was his best year, wasnt hu jack the oc that year?
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Yes. But they were still running Cables offense. ZBS. They didn’t go into the power scheme til the next year.

DMAC

theghostronin79 Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm

You don’t climb up half a mountain, just to jump off!
You continue to climb!

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I struggled with this for awhile, but think about it….

Some old dude that loves building cars, passes away and leaves behind a half built “Hot Rod”. Along comes a person who wants to purchase it. He brings it home and tears stuff off, throws some things away and builds HIS vision. He ain’t gonna continue building the “Old Man’s car” who died.

Know what I’m sayin? I dunno, maybe I’m full of Sh*t too. Just trying to make some sense.
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The difference is their removing perfectly fine parts that already are on the car.
If aint broke, don’t fix it.

theghostronin79

Yeah Guest, you put it a bit more descriptively and accurately. Not to mention the “Old Man’s” freinds and family who were already excited about the finished product to come, and now feeling sick watching it get towed off while the buyer is rubbing his hands together feverishly.

2romes

The truth is the truth. Hue brought two respectful seasons to the Raiders and fans. A few can try to downgrade that truth because of their own reasons but the truth is 9-7 get many teams in the playoffs That is the truth!

YoungAmerican

2romes Says:
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Raiders just fired the Head coach that gave them two decent seasons and you used impatient and consistant in your sentence. Interesting!

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Hue wasn’t the right guy to preside over a rebuild. And no matter what, it was going to be a rebuild. The Raiders lost the one guy who was in charge of all things football operations since the 60s.

The Raiders needed a quiet, business-like approach to teach these players discipline and accountability – which for the young players drafted into the organization would be the first time they are taught these things.

Hue Jackson and Al Davis both preached “win now”. To do so, they traded away the top 3 draft picks the Raiders had, and created an unsustainable salary cap situation. And it wasn’t enough for the Raiders to “win now”.

And you wanted Hue Jackson to “build” on last season? With what? He’d still have to find a way to shed nearly $30 million to get under the salary cap. And he’d have no draft picks to restock the cupboard. And Hue Jackson is the guy you want to preside over those decisions? Laughable.

The Raiders needed a real GM with actual front office experience. With a new GM comes new personnel – people who mesh with the GM’s vision of where the team needs to go. THIS is consistency – a consistent philosophy throughout the organization. The only way teams succeed in this league is when their front office, scouting department, coaching staff, and roster are all on the same page. This wasn’t going to happen with Hue Jackson running the show.