Evil Empire wrote Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:34 am:Yes, he's a little hard to nail down for me. I mentioned earlier that I didn't even know he was being looked at seriously as a pro prospect. He is big, has a good arm and is a willing and effective runner, but I am not convinced about his ability to attack a professional defense through the air. Big, physical fucker. He has a bit of a sling shot delivery which scares me. In fairness to him, he's never had anything at the skill position around him.

I agree. He’s got a lot of tools and could develop with good coaching in a few years. Not a first rounder for me at this point, but would love Gruden to have a guy like this in maybe the 3rd.

Evil Empire wrote Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:34 am:Yes, he's a little hard to nail down for me. I mentioned earlier that I didn't even know he was being looked at seriously as a pro prospect. He is big, has a good arm and is a willing and effective runner, but I am not convinced about his ability to attack a professional defense through the air. Big, physical fucker. He has a bit of a sling shot delivery which scares me. In fairness to him, he's never had anything at the skill position around him. I will say, he is very Gannon-like. I put him third in the QB class.

Sounds like a good draft choice if we have the option of grooming him for a year or two.

Theflyingdutchman wrote Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 am:I have been in the minority since day 1 saying I prefer Ferrell over Nick Bosa...and I still like the idea of this as we discuss.

Ferrell to me fits our D perfectly. He is an ideal edge rusher of this defense.

To me, in short, he is Von Miller with length or a faster version of Danielle Hunter, who is blossoming beautifully under Mike Zimmer in Minnesota. He has that type of upside. Ferrell possesses an ungodly first step. His get off is phenomenal.

Not trying to take anything away from The Bosas and this is not necessarily a bad thing but they are ‘effort guys’ with monstrous motor. They are the best at finishing plays and playing it to the whistle. Lots of sacks Joey has collected thus far (I assume half) is from plays like that. Their hands are violent and refined compared to other prospects. Best-in-class at that, IMHO.

But if you talk about upside and a fit...I would personally take Clelin Ferrell.

Dream scenario, With the first 5 picks I would like to see us walk away with an elite edge, an elite LB (heat-seeking missile who can cover, like Bobby Wagner or Telvin Smith), an elite Safety (or CB? Perhaps?) and either an elite RB (assuming no Bell, but I would personally prefer Bell for theis coming 3-4 years) OR an elite WR (In a Kenny Golladay or Julio Jones type...big and fast, who provides a huge target and can win contested catches...i think that is the type of WR Carr would love throwing to).

This is assuming we keep Derek Carr who I prefer over any upcoming prospects including Herbert (until I dive into my study). But I would prefer to keep him, and give him time and OL that can actually pass protect consistently lol...until we find our Patrick Mahomes...or Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wentz, Wilson, Cam, Luck, Ben...those QBs who can either lift the team or carry the team when needed. Until that happens, I am ok with Jared Goff type performance from Derek Carr.

Just my .02 folks.

Did you casually lump Cam and Luck into that group of great QB’s?? No thank you to both.

The defense gives up 45 points, the line doesn’t block anyone, their star running back folds like a wet paper towel in protection and somehow it’s the QB that sucks?

The Panthers organization sucks. Newton has never been given decent weapons and has had to carry this team on his back for years. I like McCaffrey, but he has his weaknesses which were on full display last night, and Olsen, who’s hurt most of the time, but that’s about it. The offensive line hasn’t been good either, but yeah, Cam sucks.

Robbykidd wrote Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:11 am:The defense gives up 45 points, the line doesn’t block anyone, their star running back folds like a wet paper towel in protection and somehow it’s the QB that sucks?

The Panthers organization sucks. Newton has never been given decent weapons and has had to carry this team on his back for years. I like McCaffrey, but he has his weaknesses which were on full display last night, and Olsen, who’s hurt most of the time, but that’s about it. The offensive line hasn’t been good either, but yeah, Cam sucks.

Their OTs SUCK!! It was jail break after jail break in the 3rd quarter.