> "Logic as a discipline starts with the transition from the more or less unreflective use of logical methods and argument patterns to the reflection on and inquiry into these and their elements, including the syntax and semantics of sentences."

That sounds suspiciously like when I say "A student of X..." When have you been in a class on logic where being good at it was more important than taking good notes?

> > I think that's right. Its based on unreflective language> which is an automatic part of our thinking and use of language, a "gift" so to speak -- I think that captures what both you and Clyde have pointed out about "modus ponens" in particular.

Except I added the element of a missing "sense" in order to explain that the majority fail to thrive with it. Language is a universal ability. It's in my list. Reasoning is not. Thus, reasoning is not a component of language.