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Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:28 pm

Rich

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Hearing rumors that Misi may move to defensive end.

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Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:28 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Makchell wrote:

Worse case it's competition and/or depth.

You don't spend that kind of money for competition or depth.

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Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:28 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Yee-ah Buddy! Hope our D is straight beast next year

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Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:29 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Rich wrote:

Hearing rumors that Misi may move to defensive end.

Wasn't that his position in college?

Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:34 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

MdDolfan wrote:

Rich wrote:

Hearing rumors that Misi may move to defensive end.

Wasn't that his position in college?

After graduation from Montgomery High School, Koa began his college career at Santa Rosa Junior College, where he was a first-team all-conference defensive end.[2] He then attended the University of Utah and played for the Utes for three years (2007–2009). While at Utah he played in 38 of 39 games, missing one game due to injury, and started 36 of those games.[2] He played at both defensive end and defensive tackle positions during his college career. He was twice selected as an all-conference player in the Mountain West Conference, second-team all-conference in 2008 and fist-team all-conference

But he's going to be 31 years old during next season. And he is scheduled to cost the Dolphins $5.7 million against the cap.

If the Dolphins decide that's too steep for a player on the wrong side of 30, they can cut him and save $3.2 million in cap space. Considering that Burnett will also cost $7 million against the cap next year, the signing of a younger player seems visionary.

But he's going to be 31 years old during next season. And he is scheduled to cost the Dolphins $5.7 million against the cap.

If the Dolphins decide that's too steep for a player on the wrong side of 30, they can cut him and save $3.2 million in cap space. Considering that Burnett will also cost $7 million against the cap next year, the signing of a younger player seems visionary.

Yup I think Burnett is going to be released. Miami had a lot of money tied up in Dansby and Burnett and they never really dominated for the Dolphins.

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Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:01 pm

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Re: LB Phillip Wheeler to visit Miami tomorrow

MdDolfan wrote:

Heyward-Bey was just released, if he comes cheap he would be a nice addition.

Speed kills. If we can add another speedster I say do it. Wallace, Hartline, Bess, and Heyward-Bey is a nice group.

Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 pm

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Re: LB Phillip Wheeler to visit Miami tomorrow

wkloiber13 wrote:

MdDolfan wrote:

Heyward-Bey was just released, if he comes cheap he would be a nice addition.

Speed kills. If we can add another speedster I say do it. Wallace, Hartline, Bess, and Heyward-Bey is a nice group.

Not happening. In fact, I'm not even sure Bess will still be a part of that group.

Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:38 pm

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Re: LB Phillip Wheeler to visit Miami tomorrow

MdDolfan wrote:

Heyward-Bey was just released, if he comes cheap he would be a nice addition.

this team needs a big possession receiver who can run good routes

Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:12 am

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Re: LB Phillip Wheeler to visit Miami tomorrow

Steve Zissou wrote:

Makchell wrote:

I hate to admit it, but I never heard of this guy.

Me too bro. I watched a few Raider games due to fantasy last year & I didnt know if there were any particularly good players on D.

Does anyone know if hes that much better then what we have now?

he was good at Georgia Tech

Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:14 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Anyone wondered why Miami did not sign him last year when they had the chance? What did he not show them, that they see now?

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:19 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Dphins4me wrote:

Anyone wondered why Miami did not sign him last year when they had the chance? What did he not show them, that they see now?

I read that with Dansby, Burnett and Misi in place he felt the Raiders were his best option so he signed there not that we didnt want him

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:22 pm

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Dphins4me wrote:

Anyone wondered why Miami did not sign him last year when they had the chance? What did he not show them, that they see now?

He chose to go to Oakland because he had a better opportunity to start. Miami didn't choose to not sign him.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:33 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Rich wrote:

He chose to go to Oakland because he had a better opportunity to start. Miami didn't choose to not sign him.

If Miami is willing to pay as much as they did this year, then why didn't they make a better offer last year is my question. If they did not make a solid offer last year, then why?

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:30 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Dphins4me wrote:

Rich wrote:

He chose to go to Oakland because he had a better opportunity to start. Miami didn't choose to not sign him.

If Miami is willing to pay as much as they did this year, then why didn't they make a better offer last year is my question. If they did not make a solid offer last year, then why?

Because next year is when they were going to get rid of Dansby and Burnett and if it wasnt Wheeler it would be somebody else plus Wheeler made the choice and they wont break the bank for a backup

Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:17 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Dphins4me wrote:

Anyone wondered why Miami did not sign him last year when they had the chance? What did he not show them, that they see now?

With a new regime taking over, new defense, a lot of needs they looked at both of them as good players and wanted to see how well they fit with what they wanted to do. Dansby was offered a restructure and turned it down, not sure about Burnett.

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Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:47 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Dphins4me wrote:

Rich wrote:

He chose to go to Oakland because he had a better opportunity to start. Miami didn't choose to not sign him.

If Miami is willing to pay as much as they did this year, then why didn't they make a better offer last year is my question. If they did not make a solid offer last year, then why?

He hadn't had the type of season he just had with Oakland.

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Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:53 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Rich wrote:

He hadn't had the type of season he just had with Oakland.

What does that matter? These guys are scouts. Aren't they suppose to be able to project a little? Maybe its just need now verses need last year, but its just odd they did not think much of him last year, but this year give him a large deal.

Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:57 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

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What does that matter? These guys are scouts. Aren't they suppose to be able to project a little?

What does it matter that his production went up higher than ever before?

So if a receiver is catching 50 passes for 700 yards and 5 TDs in one offense and then moves to another offense and in that season catches 80 passes for 1200 yards and 9 TDs, it doesn't matter? It doesn't show you that maybe this player fits better in a different type of system? Actual real performance on the field doesn't matter? They are supposed to give contracts to players with a specific body of work based solely on projection?

What I don't understand is why you bother asking questions from a specific perspective when no matter what answer you're going to get to those questions, your perspective isn't going to change and you're simply going to keep asking more questions tailor made to your perspective.

That's what I mean when I say there are wanna-be lawyers on this forum.

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Maybe its just need now verses need last year, but its just odd they did not think much of him last year, but this year give him a large deal.

So you continue with the "they didn't think much of him" approach when it was he that decided to go to Oakland, not the Dolphins who decided to not sign him.

Again, why bother asking questions if you're just going to ignore the answers to them?

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Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:32 am

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Fire all those lousy scouts

Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:07 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Rich wrote:

What does it matter that his production went up higher than ever before?

So if a receiver is catching 50 passes for 700 yards and 5 TDs in one offense and then moves to another offense and in that season catches 80 passes for 1200 yards and 9 TDs, it doesn't matter? It doesn't show you that maybe this player fits better in a different type of system? Actual real performance on the field doesn't matter? They are supposed to give contracts to players with a specific body of work based solely on projection?

Not from one year to the next. My opinion on players does not change based on one year production.

Rich wrote:

What I don't understand is why you bother asking questions from a specific perspective when no matter what answer you're going to get to those questions, your perspective isn't going to change and you're simply going to keep asking more questions tailor made to your perspective.

I ask one question. Wonder what changed in one year? Your reply lead to a follow up. I'm not arguing the point with anyone, just being curious as to what they didn't see in him last Mar. but now see? Or was it simply bad timing last year with money & position.

Rich wrote:

That's what I mean when I say there are wanna-be lawyers on this forum.

Coming from the Mr. Wanna-Be himself. The man who has pulled the dictionary out and many other wanna-be lawyer stunts so in his mind he can win a discussion. Get over yourself and stop destroying threads with your personal BS attacks on posters.

Rich wrote:

Again, why bother asking questions if you're just going to ignore the answers to them?

Did not realize one could not ask a question. I'll be sure to PM you to find out if what I want to know is cleared by you first. Guess you can be the lead attorney on this board and ask all the questions.

Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:34 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Looked up this old thread. It does not appear many if any were pumped about this signing.

I personally believe Ireland never had a plan. Maybe in today's NFL you cannot have a long term plan, but he rarely could hit on what this team needed.

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:56 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

I hate to admit it, but I never heard of this guy.

Now all I hear about is how much he sucks.

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:29 am

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Makchell wrote:

I hate to admit it, but I never heard of this guy.

Now all I hear about is how much he sucks.

I laughed when I read that because I was thinking the same thing..."who?"

Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:44 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

The classic example of how stats can be misleading, on paper he looks good, 2 years with 100 tackles, the problem is most of them are in chase mode, he's fast and athletic so he can chase down ball carriers, but he consistently runs himself out of position and can't shed blocks.

Now it's a very small wonder that he was a back up for 4 years until he went to the talent depleted Raiders and that they had no problem letting him go.

Can we hire Ireland again so we can FIRELAND again!!!

;^J

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Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:56 pm

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Re: UPDATE: Miami signs LB Phillip Wheeler to 5 yr 26 million

Finster wrote:

The classic example of how stats can be misleading, on paper he looks good, 2 years with 100 tackles, the problem is most of them are in chase mode, he's fast and athletic so he can chase down ball carriers, but he consistently runs himself out of position and can't shed blocks.

Now it's a very small wonder that he was a back up for 4 years until he went to the talent depleted Raiders and that they had no problem letting him go.

Can we hire Ireland again so we can FIRELAND again!!!

;^J

Still irritates me to no end to think about the pump job by a lot of people across various Dolphin message boards about how slick the move was to jettison Burnett/Dansby in favor of the two dopes Wheeler/Ellerbe.

I remember when the Ellerbe signing showed up on my phone I was like WTF??? Where did that come from. Wheeler has always been too light in the pants to be an effective linebacker. That guy needs to be converted to a safety.

Wanna get younger at the position? Draft for it. Don't splurge on guys like that in free agency ..... and especially don't make Ellerbe play out of his natural position.