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While there are actually legitimate bath salts (epsom salts), in this instance they are referring to a synthetic drug (similar to meth or cocaine) usually sold in head shops (pipe stores). It's just called that so they can sell it. Similarly there is also "legal weed" that they sell as "incense".

Tried it twice. I had a horrible experience the first time. I passed out, hallucinated on the ground for a while and couldn't speak or move and woke up with the worst hangover I've ever had. I couldn't think straight for the next day.

The second time was on accident (was supposed to be just weed, turns out it was mixed) and I ended up thinking I was freezing to death and my friends piled 7 blankets on me while I shivered for an hour even when it was room temperature.

I thought the same thing. Apparently they are not epsom (sp?) salt or any of that other stuff. People didn't just start going to home depot and getting these bath salts, these are made with entirely different chemicals and found at head shops.

Exactly. Spice is that fake weed shit which is essentially some sort of plant material sprayed with some research chemical. The "bath salts" are stuff like mephedrone which is marketed as "legal coke," but since there hasn't been any research done on the chemical the effects (and side-effects) are still largely unknown. Some people say it effects them just like coke or speed, and others bug out like the guy in the video. It's really some dangerous stuff.

I don't think it should be illegal, since I am against the government dictating what people should or shouldn't put in their body, but I do think there should be more research done so we know more about the effects so we are able to promote harm reduction instead of outright prohibition.

Selling already known and illegal substances for human consumption is illegal.

Selling already known and illegal substances not for human consumption is illegal.

Selling newly lab-created substances (just juggle around the chemistry a little bit and you have created "a new substance") for human consumption is illegal.

Selling newly lab-created substances not for human consumption is... legal. That's why. I think the main gist is that any substance that's not sold for human consumption must be investigated through a long process first and then banned, so you can sell it until that happens.

Exactly. Companies selling these substances simply get their Chemists to tweak the recipe and suddenly they have a 'new' substance to sell again, evading was of prohibiting it. There was a great documentary on this, I'll update if I find it.

Update: The series is on the National Geographic channel called "Drugs, Inc", the episode specifically is titled "Designer Drugs".

I couldn't find a source to the full episode online, but it is an interesting watch. You get many perspectives, from the chemists, to the dealers, to the consumers. See some Police efforts to fight it. And learn how substances are evading laws and being shipped and sold legally.

You say disguised. Not really. The websites you can buy them off will claim that, but when they turn up you end up with a baggy of white, crystalised powder with a diagram of the compound, the compound's name and a fun little line saying 'not for human consumption.' Search research chemicals and see what you find, there's not a whole lot of disguising going on.

That was weird, and different, and even a little disturbing, I'll give you that. But have you ever seen a really, really drunk person? And I mean, looking at their behavior as if you're seeing it for the first time, as if it weren't commonplace. Sometimes it can be downright scary.

I'd argue an angry drunk is 10x scarier than someone ballistically laughing. Also, I think the guy in the video has mental problems or something. I've seen drugs make people laugh, but nothing even close to unnatural like this.

If there is demand, someone will supply. By making something illegal, you do not remove it, you turn over it's manufacture and distribution to the black market. You create profit opportunities for those of a criminal mindset.

what i learned today is that instead of using the natural banned drugs people are using weird synthetic ones to avoid prision time but with harsher effects such as increased likelyhood of dying, or going crazy and eating other peoples faces

they way i see it, is people still have drugs. and we wasted billions on trying to enforce these laws. i mean seriously, if you cant keep drugs out of a max security prison then how are you going to keep it out of a giant land mass

These are made to go around the law. They make these salts not with the intention of someone buying them and cleaning with, but for someone to buy and get high off of. It's like labeling something as incense but it is really meant to be smoked and get you high.

The bath salts are taking money away from the already existent black market right now. If they become illegal people aren't going to go to their dealer and get bath salts, they are just going to buy meth. Only reason people are buying bath salts is because it is a legal loophole that you can't get in trouble for.

If they become illegal people aren't going to go to their dealer and get bath salts, they are just going to buy meth.

This isn't quite true. There are literally hundreds of thousands of compounds in line to be sold as legal alternatives. The problem arises from the prohibition of any substances for consumption. Initial prohibition is what starts the 'drug race'.

Though "bath salts" initially was used in reference to products containing Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), it is increasingly being used to refer to products resulting from the whack-a-mole phenomenon of the market response to the demand for legal, mind altering, synthetic compounds.

Well, basically you just need to make drugs legal and you won't have people getting high on "bathsalts". People don't need to get high on synthesized drugs when the real things are available. I certainly would rather have someone take mushrooms since they probably won't end up eating someone's face off.

You are assuming there is a solution. There is only the best way to deal with the problem. I'm for improved education, avenues of social support, and generally treating it as a medical concern, not a legal one.

For those wondering, "bath salts" are random amounts research drugs sold as either bath salts or plant food. Most people agree that the most common drug in them is MDPV, which most people also agree has no redeeming qualities.

Having said that, a certain percentage of people are going to try to get high off of anything. We can criminalize them, force them underground and create a violent black market, or we can legalize them, regulate them and offer treatment. Personally, I favor the second approach.

Not in the case of bath salts, looking for it once it's banned I mean. People are just looking for an easy way to get high. Ban that shit and 99% of bathsalt-heads wouldn't know where to acquire more MDPV or other research chemicals. They'll just stick to classical drugs. The availability of bath salts is what drives it's use because let's face it, who the fuck would want to get high off bath salts if they had access to better drugs.

There are hundreds of other similar grey market drugs that will replace MDPV. People who are doing MDPV for legal reasons aren't going to start buying classical drugs. They'll just buy whatever the next RC is.

Edit: Context, a man in Florida under the influence of (most likely) PCP chewed this mans face off before an officer shot him. Also NSFL.

Edit: I read that it was PCP off of a news article, it could be bathsalts, or LSD, or a plethora of other things, until we have his autopsy it is all just guesswork so please stop trying to correct me by siting other speculative news articles. People have tried eating other people under the influence of PCP before, I have heard nothing about how bathsalts can cause this so until I read otherwise, or see the autopsy report, I'm assuming it is PCP.

Yes. If other drugs were legal and sold in shops, no one would touch this shit. Saying it needs to be illegal to stop use is exactly how we ended up in the situation we are now, with drug crime amounting to a large majority of the prison population.

While I agree with legalization and treatment as the solution to the drug problem in general, if you made bath salts illegal they'd mostly go away. No one would do that crap if it was illegal; they'd just get crack or PCP or whatever the hell else they wanted. It's not a desirable drug. Its use is primarily based on its availability and legality.

I bath salt I had about a year ago, called Charge, was unbelievably awesome. a tiny $20 bag of this stuff was as $400 worth of the best cocaine I've ever tried (Only had coke like 4 or 5 times)

but I have noticed I am not as quick or witty as I used to be. I've done a fair amount of these legal drugs, probably 20+ kinds and I can tell you they definitely fuck you up long term. There hasn't been really any research done to see how badly this stuff fucks you up but I can tell you first hand it's not worth it. Best highs ever, but now 2 years down the road sometimes I'll be talking and mid sentence forget completely what I was talking about. There is no recovering from not being able to finish your sentence because you don't know what you were saying a few seconds ago. It's pretty bad since I run my own business and last thing I ever want clients to think is that they're working with an idiot. Luckily I'm a photographer/videographer, so maybe they'll just think I'm artistic and that's why I'm an idiot lol

Psych RN here and you wouldn't believe the numbers of people that are in my ward right now that are suffering g the effects of salts and spice. Spice is more frequent now. People are psychotic for months after smoking it for days. It's almost impossible to tell as the tests are expensive. 19 yo male under my care now had to be taken down by bean bag gun while he was stabbing himself in the neck. 2 weeks later he attacked a patient today. Granted he's got previous psych hx. 3 of my 5 patients are certainly coming off spice and at least one of the other 5 on the unit are off salts. No one admits to it because we can't prove it. BTW my town just shut down a spice manufacturing business. Next to a set from breaking bad they're selling spice at the corner store.

You're fine. I feel I've gotten more spacey over the last few years and am drug free; I also have grown increasingly anxious and it seriously impairs my speech at times. Judging by your username, you are as old (young) as I am and caught up in the whole "growing up" thing. If this is making you feel better, good... But lay off the fucking drugs anyway.

Ban alcohol too. Did you see what that does with humans? Oh, and also all solvents you can get at grocery stores. All paints, ban everything. NO2? Oh my god, we have to ban that. Along with spray cream of course. Sorry to sound harsh now, but what you are saying in your title is retarded. As others pointed out, banning does not help. Education does. "Drugs are bad, mmkay" is not an education.

I'm confused. The video shows packages of synthetic weed, an herbal mixture sprayed with some kind of synthetic cannabinoid. "Bath salts" are MDVP, something completely different. The video was posted August 5, 2011, shortly before MDVP was added to the controlled substances list.

Whoever uploaded/made this video got mixed up about something somewhere. Kinda confused as to why this discrepancy isn't mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

-Also, I'd say many of these posts and accounts are pretty fishy. It's like this thread is actually happening in bizarro world.

***WOW.... this youtube account belongs to someone directly involved with the Bay County Sheriff's Office of Bay County, Florida. Here's their Youtube channel, and here's a video of Sheriff Frank talking about his "new car" dealership where he has prisoners from his jail work to make salable cars. He has "all the labor you can imagine at the jail." You want to know where the corruption is and where misappropriation of funds are? It seems like it's right there in Bay County... Seems like they've got a nice slave labor racket too. I knew this post and some of the posts in it were fishier than fish, but this is some blatant propagandizing. I hope somebody's able to do some good with this or that it at least opens a few eyes to shenanigans of people with hidden agendas.

First, "bath salts" is an incredibly unspecific term. It used to refer to MDPV and mephedrone (and the guy's behavior isn't indicative of either of those things), but as the range of chemicals sold under the name has expanded, you may as well just say "drugs", because "bath salts" doesn't give anyone any idea of what the guy's on. Lately, it's been used interchangeably with "drugs" in the media.

Second, there's no real evidence at all that he's fucked up on one thing in particular. Given the giggling and total disconnect with reality, to me it sounds a lot more like he's on a hallucinogen than an amphetamine (unless he's a long-term, habitual user in the middle of amphetamine psychosis, but that doesn't usually manifest as giggling and being unable to communicate), but he's not in any position to tell us what he took, and even assuming the video title is accurate, it could still be one of any number of chemicals. Without an authoritative definition of the term "bath salts", all we know is that he took something that the uploader of the video describes as "bath salts" - and we have no idea what chemicals (if any) are included in that definition.

The reason this bugs me is that if the title of the thread was "this is all I needed to see to determine that alcohol needs to be banned", and the video title was "effects of alcohol", every comment in the thread would be saying "dude, that guy is obviously not drunk" because everyone knows how alcohol affects you. Because of a lack of common knowledge, though, the term "bath salts" is being bandied about as if it refers to a specific chemical when it refers to an incredibly poorly-defined set of them, and is being attributed in incidents (this one, the "zombie" thing recently) where the individuals are displaying behavior that is completely inconsistent with chemicals typically thrown into the "bath salts" category. It gets worse when you have people on CNN calling bath salts "the new LSD" - LSD being a completely different drug categorically serves to muddy the waters even further.

Videos like the one you posted do nothing to inform and only serve to perpetuate a bunch of really poorly-informed and sometimes outright ignorant opinions on the topic. Reddit and people in general should be making up their minds about drugs and drug users based on real data, not hearsay, speculation, and misinformation.

Don't make this illegal, just make normal drugs legal. People only use these as a legal alternative to normal drugs, and when it is finally made illegal they just change the chemical a little so it has pretty much the same effect but isn't the same, so it isn't illegal.

Its not Bath Salts or any other drugs that need to be banned.. Its a vicious cycle. Bath Salts are way more fucking dangerous than cocaine.. but they banned cocaine, now there's this shit. Ban that shit and something else more dangerous will come out. I've seen the same thing happen with GHB in the UK, now whilst GHB wasn't a safe drug by any means, the legal equivalent of it now is 10x more deadly.

People are gonna get high. Period. It aint never gonna stop. Government needs to back the fuck off and work on making it safer. The war on drugs will never be won, how about working with society + drugs and making that as good as possible. Its just a huge waste of time and money enforcing these drug laws. It only feeds mountains of revenue to drug cartels and kills countless people every year with gang violence.

I hope you can realize that its not bath salts that needs to be banned, it is other drugs that need to be legalized. The more drugs that get banned, the worse the synthetic replacements get. Imagine: (safe) oranges get banned, scientists come up with legal but unsafe fake oranges. Then those get banned and scientists come up with a new, even more dangerous fake variety that remains legal. The original is much safer than the final, but lack of foresight drives things in the dangerous direction. You have to choose between your free ass and your safe ass. What can you do?

as a dude who has done every drug under the sun, bath salts included, I feel like I should chime in. when you see something like this, don't blame bath salts, blame the idiot who did them wrong. 30 seconds of googling and you could find the proper dosage to enjoy them. people go nuts because they do a shitload like it's coke or E. its not. it is active in much smaller dosages than a lot of similar drugs, and too much can really fuck with you, just like any other drug. I always weighed my shit out so I knew how much I was getting, and it was never a bad time. I also gave some to a whole host of people, pre-weighed, and they all enjoyed it. if you did the same amount of heroin as you would need to get high on vicoden, you would die, and it would be your own damn fault. same thing here. so please, in the name of all us responsible drug users out there, blame the idiot, not the bath salts.

I scanned the comments, didn't read them all but I've done bath salts a decent amount of times, the MDPV variety,(No more, thanks) and sure as hell didn't act like that.. It all depends on the dosage and the person. A girl I did it with a decent bit would have involuntary spasms in her neck and couldn't talk at all - she had to type shit out on her phone to talk to people. Why the fuck she'd still want to get high off of it, I do not know. At the head shop in my hometown that recently got busted selling it, they sold "regular" bath salts over the counter, but you had to know someone who knew someone to get the ultra concentrated stuff. Good fucking riddance.

right, never done the stuff myself but I had heard a little about it before and from what I understood bath salts were just a designer drug version of meth, so I don't get exactly the connection that I keep hearing (especially with the florida situation this week) about bath salts being a drug that makes people absolutely looney.

ahh yes. lets blame the drugs not the person taking them.. cause noone takes responsibility for going bonkers right? If you randomly stuff your face with a overdose of a RC you hardly know about and you probably have a pre-existing mental condition.. you are gonna have a bad time.

Always our answer here in the states, isn't it? Less than one-hundredth of one-percent of people abuse something that the rest of us have no problem enjoying responsibly, so let's ban the whole thing or make the sensible portion of the populace have to jump through hoops in order to utilize it.

Everyone wonders where are rights and freedoms are going. The government's not taking them, we're begging them to be removed by refusing to acknowledge the need for personal responsibility.

You can take a low-dosage of it orally. This is FDA-approved for the treatment of ADHD.

As for the more recreational ingestion methods (e.g. smoking), you would use meth "responsibly" in the same way that you would use alcohol "responsibly". Not taking too much and not doing it too often, and not engaging in any activities while high that could be harmful to other people.

Is sitting in a car laughing and screaming such an awful thing that you would like to deprive other individuals control over their own bodies (and what they freely decide to put into their bodies)? How about you grow up and stop trying to babysit everyone.