You demonstrate your apathy by devoting time and energy to responding?

You know what that means...

It's time for CONTRADICTION CORNER!

*cue the cheers*

I must not have made myself clear. The thing that no one cares about is your ability to toss aside an in-universe source. See, it isn't a particularly impressive ability. Tobin being a (potentially) invalid source doesn't affect my platform at all.

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Does the loading screen say he's holding the ship together?

I don't think so. Luckily, I don't care. The only feat that matters is that he pulled the Ravager out of a gravity well.

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So the feat is valid and the loading screen has said what people claim its saying because... we're talking about it?

That's not sound logic, Nemmy; Janus and co. used to say nonsense like Marka Ragnos could play ping-pong with planets and whatnot, but funny enough, you won't find any source that says it.

Provide the statement from the loading screen or STFU.

This is non-negotiable.

And make it soon.

plz

Actually, you haven't done a very good job of showing that it isn't sound logic. Comparing me to Janus "and co." in some kind of guilt-by-association gambit is in and of itself "not sound logic," while I am in a defensible position. It is sound logic because, at one point, we have had this discussion before. I was happy with the result, and you were not. That we are having the discussion now indicates that you are (by proxy through TJ) not content with the outcome. Thus, the last altercation over this matter was settled in my favor. But none of this matters since all that the above paragraph really amounts to is one elaborate ad hominem fallacy.

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How can I get around what hasn't been provided? I love how [attempt to] hide behind a source despite apparently not having the faintest idea what it says.

I'm beginning to wonder if you make grammatical mistakes just to bait me.

Anywhoo, i kno that thur is a source, and that it corroborates Tobin's story. That it exists is enough for casual inclusion in other debates. Now that you are challenging this specific feat I have to find the quote. It is taking longer than I expected.

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I seem to recall, particularly in your first years here, every single match ended in your concessions.

You try to avoid arguing with me now; that's the fear I inspire in you.

um... congrats? I wasn't very good at this when I started. Now that I've gained competence, at the very least, you haven't exactly been eager to step into the ring.

Who says I'm attacking your platform? My feelings about Nihilus's use of telekinesis are minimal; there is (apparently) no canon source that confirms that he held the ship together and you apparently have no idea what the loading screen says regarding his use of telekinesis in pulling the ship from Malachor; to say that your defense is paper-thin would be a compliment.

Because even if he did through brute telekinesis alone, what does it change? Where did I disagree or contradict?

This isn't rhetorical and I'll give you a 24 hours to provide proof of where this alters my platform at all.

Otherwise, coupled with your concession about Tobin as a source, I'll have to declare [SPOILER - highlight to read]:my victory in a most rude manner.

Originally posted by truejedi Definitly disagree with Nihilus. There is no evidence that his drain would be effective against a highly tiered force user. His TK, while impressive, isn't shown to be entirely accurate.

As per Gideon, if the quote about him ripping the ships out a gravity well, and then holding it together with the force was correct, it should have fallen apart instantly when he died. It did not.

But whatevs.

If you would like to endorse the statement attributed to you then we can have a proper discussion with positions and everything!

In other news, I found it:

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"The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V.The Sith fleet attacking Telos appears to be composed of many damaged warships... the wreckage of a great battle."

Three separate forums and the :talk page in the wookiee all have this version.

This is the only feat I care about, the discussion with TJ notwithstanding.

I'd also like to point out that Nihilus, apparantly according to the 'Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide', was stuck on Malachor until he got off with the Ravager, so he has pretty much no chance of having lifted it off without using the Force.

or repairing it, and flying it out. Perhaps he used a little TK to help a bit, but didn't take on the full strength of the ship. Heck, if the ship had life support and lighting systems, it could easily have had launch rockets as well.

or repairing it, and flying it out. Perhaps he used a little TK to help a bit, but didn't take on the full strength of the ship. Heck, if the ship had life support and lighting systems, it could easily have had launch rockets as well.

The screen either says he ripped it out or lifted it out (I remember). Flying it out doesn't fit in with that.