SparkFun Electronics Commentsurn:uuid:214d0e4e-f1b1-d287-ce26-ac5b4c9f82492015-08-02T12:28:57-06:00SparkFun Electronicschansuke on Final Day to Fund the National Tourchansukeurn:uuid:9666592e-3bdd-4c8f-f82f-6866810b56262012-12-22T10:12:00-07:00<p>Toyotas cars, for the most part arent meant to be sports cars. The Scion tC and FR-S are sportier, and the FR-S is even rear wheel drive. For a sporty Toyota get a Lexus.</p>crlanglois on Final Day to Fund the National Tourcrlangloisurn:uuid:55d729d4-506d-e26e-e33c-6c5ee4d704a92012-12-20T22:41:47-07:00<p>Yeah true, I just think that it would have gone better if individuals could have signed up, the all-or-nothing approach of Kickstarter is a bit of a mismatch for your needs in this case, almost need a Kickstarter per state or maybe start a few Kickstarters in the states where you saw more interest and then add an individual sign-up option, I&rsquo;m sure they&rsquo;d fill up fast.</p>GERMH on Final Day to Fund the National TourGERMHurn:uuid:41d46d1d-14c5-76c3-3b3e-4c1c1b8733e22012-12-20T15:34:10-07:00<p>Ccongrats</p>PocketBrain on Final Day to Fund the National TourPocketBrainurn:uuid:abfc8571-556e-1561-71b2-66f7cb1aadac2012-12-20T05:52:23-07:00<p>The $2500 tier reward was &ldquo;Book a Workshop,&rdquo; featuring a lab pack and SparkFun&rsquo;s educational crew to come and teach. Sure, no single seats, but they have to be sure that night in the Winnebago is worth it, so the pre-order classroom seats came in ten packs.</p>BB on Final Day to Fund the National TourBBurn:uuid:2e3e53d5-0311-4d7c-062a-1448840daf6d2012-12-20T01:37:06-07:00<p>Well Kickstarter is a business, and they don&rsquo;t care what lofty goals your project is supposed to contain. They&rsquo;d need your non-profit paperwork too.</p>
<p>I think Kickstarter&rsquo;s cut is 5%. If that Kickstarter had gone through it would&rsquo;ve been $7,500 right into the pocket of Kickstarter.</p>
<p>Really, the donation system should go through this site&rsquo;s merchant system directly. Money-grubbing organizations like the IEEE do this all the time with their membership forms. This would be for a more worthy cause, and the infrastructure is already there, with no time limit imposed. Special &ldquo;donation products&rdquo; could be made, fixed percentages donated, or just some donation form on the shopping cart added.</p>BB on Final Day to Fund the National TourBBurn:uuid:43248565-fadb-33e3-7ed0-5a0c78f42bcc2012-12-20T01:21:54-07:00<p>Good plan. Few by proportion benefit from the Free Day anyway, and as an added benefit we wouldn&rsquo;t have to suffer the endless news posts and &ldquo;documentary videos&rdquo; about it months after the event.</p>SPCO on Final Day to Fund the National TourSPCOurn:uuid:cf684f34-be8b-0a98-df78-b149ea1696972012-12-19T20:27:27-07:00<p>That&rsquo;s an interesting analogy&hellip; Although I hope for Toyota&rsquo;s sake that they don&rsquo;t include any BMWs or Porsches. That would show up Toyota&rsquo;s unsafe, non-driver-centric, understeering FWD cars pretty quick. :)</p>crlanglois on Final Day to Fund the National Tourcrlangloisurn:uuid:8f181c9a-1820-0db1-4c01-713c25a0c8552012-12-19T19:55:33-07:00<p>Something I mentioned in one of your previous update posts is that typically Kickstarter campaigns offer the product that they are trying to promote via the Kickstarter, almost like a pre-sale to establish capital. I noticed that none of the funding options were for an individual to buy a seat in a class and/or class materials. I think you might have gotten more funding if you asked people to essentially pre-order a seat in the class if you visit their state, pre-funding the tour itself.</p>NPoole on Final Day to Fund the National TourNPooleurn:uuid:e75fe3ae-6346-d686-518e-78a931a39e662012-12-19T16:11:29-07:00<p>We did get some really great info and made a lot of good contacts, however, so we&rsquo;re not empty handed. All of you guys and gals who contributed gave us really good data that will help us figure out where to better focus our efforts. We&rsquo;ve enjoyed some great success so far thanks to all of you but it&rsquo;s still a strain to put on these traveling expos, so reaching the most people while spending the least resources just <em>getting there</em> is the name of the game.</p>
<p>We totally appreciate everyone who pledged and, as I understand it, our Education department got a lot of supportive emails and made some connections on which they will certainly follow up. Failures of this kind are rare in business: minor losses and massive transparency. We&rsquo;d like to think that as long as we can learn from these failures, they&rsquo;re allowed to happen from time to time. I think soon we&rsquo;ll figure out how our dream of teaching the world electronics fits into the big picture. Until then, we&rsquo;re lucky to have such a totally kickass community to support us, critique us and keep us heading in the right direction.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>Customer #74840 on Final Day to Fund the National TourCustomer #74840urn:uuid:3be828ad-f40b-75c6-a11c-61b1f36d69762012-12-19T15:25:36-07:00<p>I think that&rsquo;s a great idea. I would be down for that.</p>MicroClutter on Final Day to Fund the National TourMicroClutterurn:uuid:5266c726-dda0-0e3e-89b6-4fc92bf0f5ba2012-12-19T15:01:46-07:00<p>It&rsquo;s too bad that the project didn&rsquo;t get funded. I thought that it was a great idea and I was happy to contribute. I wish more companies would get involved in community education. It must be a huge effort to organize and execute such a teaching tour and I appreciate Sparkfun taking that on. I wish the Education team at Sparkfun great success.</p>RandyMan on Final Day to Fund the National TourRandyManurn:uuid:1e5300d3-72e3-276a-823e-28f67515e1c92012-12-19T14:45:22-07:00<p>One more thing, what does Kickstarter take off the top? 10%?
A project like my car senerio they should comp at best or a small flat charge.
Perhaps a charity kickstarter site.
They way I see it&hellip;</p>sgrace on Final Day to Fund the National Toursgraceurn:uuid:e0f31f9a-5750-26e4-666f-26db6f5148c92012-12-19T14:34:04-07:00<p>Look at it this way. They didn&rsquo;t fail at providing education, they found the places in the nation that want it! Think of it as research. They are identifying areas where they&rsquo;re needed, and now they can tailor the Dept of Education to focusing with those individuals on future work.</p>RandyMan on Final Day to Fund the National TourRandyManurn:uuid:606fea21-b526-43c5-45fa-8c715549463e2012-12-19T14:23:45-07:00<p>I understand her response but it&rsquo;s not relevant to 185808 comment which I agree with.
Analogy time&hellip;
Toyota Kickstarter program to travel throughout the US to teach young adults defensive driving skills. Good idea. Toyota will only use their vehicles. What do you think?
Definitely not intersting in funding.
Now change it.</p>
<p>Same senerio but instead Toyota will also use vehicles from GM, Honda, Porsche, BMW and other manufacturers.
Now I may be intersted in funding a kickstarter project.</p>
<p>Randy</p>Emcee Grady on Final Day to Fund the National TourEmcee Gradyurn:uuid:de619110-b486-9a7d-8742-9c108bef72c32012-12-19T14:04:40-07:00<p>The thing about Kickstarter is it&rsquo;s an all-or-nothing type of thing. If the Kickstarter isn&rsquo;t fully funded (it wasn&rsquo;t), then no one gets charged.</p>LightManCA on Final Day to Fund the National TourLightManCAurn:uuid:a8cfe735-4ec4-b3df-1892-c505a29ad9542012-12-19T13:57:32-07:00<p>:(. This was the first Kickstarter I participated in. I&rsquo;m guessing there&rsquo;s no way to use the money you collected so far to have a mini somewhat national tour.</p>
<p>Sure would like you guys to come to Seattle. I&rsquo;d like to learn how to teach this stuff, and then teach others :).</p>
<p>Sam</p>LightManCA on Final Day to Fund the National TourLightManCAurn:uuid:44abd453-4fa7-d845-9731-2e3dbea7c4592012-12-19T12:47:28-07:00<p>Yikes! Come on spark fun. Maybe start smaller next time.</p>
<p>Sam</p>Emcee Grady on Final Day to Fund the National TourEmcee Gradyurn:uuid:e35a0e32-42ae-ffc8-4741-87e95a3a01972012-12-19T12:32:38-07:00<p>A similar question was posed on our <a href="http://www.sparkfun.com/news/1030" rel="nofollow" >update post on Monday</a>. Lindsay Levkoff, the SparkFun Director or Education, responded and I think her response fits here too. I&rsquo;m just going to copy and paste it. Here&rsquo;s what she had to say:</p>
<p>&lsquo;We certainly understand how you feel though the Kickstarter campaign is a way to engage the community in bringing electronics education to learning centers across the country. While a large portion of the people have chosen not to receive the backing packages associated with the donations, our hope was that everyone donating to the cause would receive something to further inspire them to build, hack, or teach someone else! SparkFun is very grateful for our success and to be part of such an amazing community. More than likely we will find a way to self-fund a version of this tour if the Kickstarter does not succeed. However, sending out teams of trained instructors in RVs across the nation is not a small endeavor – even for a successful company. The tour will likely not be profitable, but we certainly believe it is well worth everyone’s investment to give students the opportunity to engage with science and technology in an affordable and relevant manner.&rsquo;</p>Customer #185808 on Final Day to Fund the National TourCustomer #185808urn:uuid:32c296ee-a8f0-bb6b-66dc-5d74a00dcf2b2012-12-19T11:50:17-07:00<p>Am I the only one that doesn&rsquo;t get why SparkFun is asking for money? They make tens of millions anually, this tour could be funded by them easily. Not only does this help educate others (potential customers), it promotes their business (driving around with their logo, word of mouth) and boosts their image. Instead, they go the Kickstarter route and end up failing in the public eye. I want them to do this, and to succeed, but this approach has me confused&hellip;</p>RandyMan on Final Day to Fund the National TourRandyManurn:uuid:857da4c4-0b46-b85e-807a-353f5581b1e02012-12-19T11:26:06-07:00<p>I can&rsquo;t get behind this project. I agree with some comments from the other day but Sparkfun, you are a good company with good core values.</p>Mitch.Tolson on Final Day to Fund the National TourMitch.Tolsonurn:uuid:8ee00dfd-4a16-3fbc-8d77-931b783c3e8a2012-12-19T11:00:53-07:00<p>Correct. But, maybe they can reach the goal in the final moments. It&rsquo;s been done before.</p>RandyMan on Final Day to Fund the National TourRandyManurn:uuid:8bfbf565-274b-b3eb-f683-2c83850911a92012-12-19T10:58:55-07:00<p>Hold on, I thought it had to be fully funded to receive any money.
All or nothing.</p>Customer #228967 on Final Day to Fund the National TourCustomer #228967urn:uuid:a111c712-7f21-b92b-0b36-3d0ffaa7e2d92012-12-19T10:13:40-07:00<p>I love that idea. Instead of Freeday, &ldquo;Free Education Day&rdquo;. The start of the National Tour!</p>TimZaman on Final Day to Fund the National TourTimZamanurn:uuid:bddc213a-75fd-46f6-cebb-de8e0f08f7382012-12-19T10:12:30-07:00<p>my thoughts exactly</p>Hardware.Panda on Final Day to Fund the National TourHardware.Pandaurn:uuid:6108125b-8d70-2325-b73b-eb3fb69e254c2012-12-19T09:05:34-07:00<p>I would be alright without Freeday this year if it could fund this.</p>