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Craig,Despite DISH's claims to the contrary, there is NO agreement to carryWBOC, FOX 21 or WMDT (ABC) on DISH. In fact I've spent a great deal oftime recently trying to thwart the misinformation.

I very much want DISH to carry our stations and was in negotiations withthem to make that happen. Unfortunately DISH broke off negotiations twoweeks ago and told me they would not be launching us in this market.

I'm not familiar with this particular situation, but based on other areas that I do know about, I would submit that you're reading a very biased take on what is going on.

Many local stations are trying to get HUGE (50-300+%) fee increases for retransmission rights. Dish may have broken off negotiations because the local channel owners were simply being unreasonable with these fees, and wouldn't agree to a realisitic number.

Don't be fooled. While everything this GM stated may be true, it's certainly not "the whole story."

It still fraudulent advertising by Dish, my friend. And based on Dish's track record of stretching the truth, and outright lying, its rather easy to see possibly the "whole story" here, without securing Dish's side of the story. Past history speak volumes.

WBOC was running ads last year durring hurricane season saying that if you subbed to a dish provider you'd need an antenna in order to keep up to date with local weather information on WBOC/FOX21 and WMDT (the ABC Affiliate here).

I haven't seen any such ads on WMDT, which leads me to believe WBOC is the hold up.

I personally can get all the local channels in HD perfectly so it doesnt matter to me.

People like these are why we have commericals that lie about eveything. Lies are excepted in ads and all parts of our lives. What happen to truth?? dtv says dish needs two dishes to get hd and direct tv doesnt need two dishes for thier programing, any programing!! Not true! International channels need two dishes to get all channels. Stop the lies and state facts and we all win.

I'm not familiar with this particular situation, ... it's certainly not "the whole story."

So, you don't know anything about the situation, but you can still state this with certainty. At least, you make no secret of your own bias. When I've mentioned DirecTV's refusal to carry NBC HD in Honolulu, I usually get treated to this kind of tall tale about failed negotiations due to unreasonable local demands, without any slightest trace of evidence that it's true. It's very irritating.

People like these are why we have commericals that lie about eveything. Lies are excepted in ads and all parts of our lives. What happen to truth?? dtv says dish needs two dishes to get hd and direct tv doesnt need two dishes for thier programing, any programing!! Not true! International channels need two dishes to get all channels. Stop the lies and state facts and we all win.

So, you don't know anything about the situation, but you can still state this with certainty. At least, you make no secret of your own bias. When I've mentioned DirecTV's refusal to carry NBC HD in Honolulu, I usually get treated to this kind of tall tale about failed negotiations due to unreasonable local demands, without any slightest trace of evidence that it's true. It's very irritating.

You *do* realize that the sat companies are at a huge disadvantage in an area when they can't offer locals over the sat, right? It is in the satellite company's best interest to offer locals unless the market is tiny. So, why would they break off negotiations to carry the channel? Why would they be in negotiations in the first place? There's only one answer: money.

So, why would they break off negotiations to carry the channel? Why would they be in negotiations in the first place? There's only one answer: money.

I don't know. Your theory about what is going on seems plausible to me. But we must resist the impulse to present theories as facts. Your adverb "certainly" applied to a situation you have no factual knowledge of struck me as inappropriate.

I don't know. Your theory about what is going on seems plausible to me. But we must resist the impulse to present theories as facts. Your adverb "certainly" applied to a situation you have no factual knowledge of struck me as inappropriate.

I personally thought it was pretty clear that battlezone was offering his opinion on what was going on. His first sentence tells you that.

Maybe I missed something... Does this have to do with Dish's announcement that they will offer locals in every market?

If so, and I don't know all the details, but does Dish's claim state that they offer all the local channels in every market or just that they offer locals in every market. If the latter is true and there is more than just ABC and FOX in this market, then they would not technically be lying.

... or just that they offer locals in every market. If the latter is true and there is more than just ABC and FOX in this market, then they would not technically be lying.

So long as we're parsing out possible lies, let's come closer to home to consider whether the following is a lie: "For customers who live within the designed area of each market, DIRECTV will deliver HD programming from the primary broadcast networks - ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC - where available." (D* press release). But in market #71, Honolulu, where D* does deliver HD programming, NBC is available in HD yet not carried in HD.

So long as we're parsing out possible lies, let's come closer to home to consider whether the following is a lie: "For customers who live within the designed area of each market, DIRECTV will deliver HD programming from the primary broadcast networks - ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC - where available." (D* press release). But in market #71, Honolulu, where D* does deliver HD programming, NBC is available in HD yet not carried in HD.

Not sure why you quoted my post. It was more of question as to what exactly DISH had lied about and then what two possible views can be taken from what they said (if I assumed correctly what the OP was posting about).