PFT: Jerry trying to get Jason to give up play calling

These Houston Texans and Dallas Cowboys comparisons are pretty stupid. It may actually have proven a point if the Texans were perennial winners.

What happened the season after? Sure they lost today but 10-6 and a playoff win combined with 12-4 and a first round bye after the owners 'meddling' kinda makes the 'owners shouldn't do that' schtick look pretty dumb.

There is no self evident, inherently existential 'right' way to run a football team. We each have our own principles but at the end of the day its success and results that determine what is 'right.'

My take on this from reading different sources is JJ and others want John Garrett gone. JJ wants to keep Jason, but wants him to fire his brother and probably give up play calling. Jason has refused to fire John. I heard Jason is very upset with the situation and is exploring his options.

IMO, JJ has a mess on his hands. I think if JJ fires one Garrett he probably has to fire all of them. Then he has to find a new HC with a DC already in place.

a) Jerry is just babbling on about "making things uncomfortable", yeah right! There will be no changes. Everything will be the same as it was last year. Expect all the same coaches and more status quo. Same players and same coaches. Jerry makes me sick.

b) What? Jerry fires Rob Ryan? Of coure, he would never hold his Golden Boy Garrett accountable, and Ryan is made the scapegoat. Where are the changes to the REAL problem on the team .... the offense? Jerry makes me sick.

c) What? We're changing defensive schemes? Why are we making major changes? This is really messing up our continuity. Jerry makes me sick.

d) What? We're making major changes to the offense and Garrett might have his play calling taken away? This is so humiliating for Garrett. Gosh I feel bad for him. Jerry makes me sick.

You basically have a huge subject of fans who aren't going to be happy with any move the Cowboys make as long as Jerry Jones is alive. Why these people continue to follow the team or find some other team is beyond me. Must be a miserable life.

I'm of the opinion that at the very least Mr. Entitlement should have his play calling taken away. He was never qualified for the job to begin with. I don't care for Garrett at all. On top of his coaching issues I think he is a weasel of a human being.

Of course they "want" one of their candidates hired, everyone would. My point is that a lot of fans attack Jerry's intelligence in his football decisions, yet they seem to assume that if he were to fire Garrett, he would all of a sudden be football smart and choose one of their candidates.

If he fires Garrett, I won't fret over it and if he keeps him, I won't fret over it. That said, it would concern me if he fired Garrett and replaced him with someone like a Dave Campo (not him, someone like him) type setting up 2-3 more years of mediocrity or worse.

I just don't see the logic that some fans are using in doubting Jerry's ability to manage the football team but they are ready and willing to let him make the most important decision an owner makes for a team as if his football smarts would suddenly elevate to genius.

/reality

The problem is his candidate list would really be Gruden or Gruden because he hand picked a D coordinator kind of like hand picking Garrett before Wade was hired. This is where he gets in trouble.

The problem is his candidate list would really be Gruden or Gruden because he hand picked a D coordinator kind of like hand picking Garrett before Wade was hired. This is where he gets in trouble.

You are making assumptions based on fan and media speculation. The media said Payton would be our next coach. The media said Jerry talked with Gruden months ago. The media says a lot of things and fans just assume it is true if they hear it repeated enough. The media can guess and assume all day because no one calls them out for it.

It is just like when the media started posting rumors about Payton maybe ending up in Dallas, all of a sudden the "fire Garrett!" posts exploded. When Dallas was about to play Cleveland, rumors started over Holgrem was interested in coaching the Cowboys and how he was good friends with Jerry so he must be the coach in waiting. Then Dan Patrick claimed he heard from someone that Jerry talked to Gruden (which was never confirmed by the way) so suddenly he's the one we will get if Garrett is fired.

I just find it funny that so many fans openly dismiss Jerry's ability to make good football decisions (I'm not arguing that point by the way), yet seem to think he will make the right choice (with the right choice being their candidate) should he fire Garrett. I think that's wishful thinking at best and foolish logic at worst.

While I am not sold on Garrett yet, I am not down on him either. That said, when I stop thinking about the good coaches who could possibly replace him and start thinking about the not-so-good coaches that Jerry might hire instead, suddenly, I'm a lot more willing to give Garrett more time.

I just find it funny that so many fans openly dismiss Jerry's ability to make good football decisions (I'm not arguing that point by the way), yet seem to think he will make the right choice (with the right choice being their candidate) should he fire Garrett. I think that's wishful thinking at best and foolish logic at worst.

/reality

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Jerry hired Lane Kiffin as head coach.

While I am not sold on Garrett yet, I am not down on him either. That said, when I stop thinking about the good coaches who could possibly replace him and start thinking about the not-so-good coaches that Jerry might hire instead, suddenly, I'm a lot more willing to give Garrett more time.

While I am not sold on Garrett yet, I am not down on him either. That said, when I stop thinking about the good coaches who could possibly replace him and start thinking about the not-so-good coaches that Jerry might hire instead, suddenly, I'm a lot more willing to give Garrett more time.

It's the "be careful what you ask for" scenario that concerns me.

/reality

I just think Romo has had enough time under Garrett's system and the results just aren't coming in. If anything I believe this offense has underachieved and the coach doesn't adjust to things that actually make his offense work.

Looking around the playoffs you see fast pace offenses that aren't lethargic at all. Dallas is more suited for that kind of play but yet we try to play a lethargic style of football.

I think you're right about not getting rid of Garrett because of what else is out there but we need a change with our offense. Hopefully that is getting done.

I just think Romo has had enough time under Garrett's system and the results just aren't coming in. If anything I believe this offense has underachieved and the coach doesn't adjust to things that actually make his offense work.

I think the main issue has been with our offensive and defensive lines. Most of us were complaining about the offensive line last off-season and Jerry/Garrett tried to use unproven youth and recycled/unwanted veterans to fix it and it failed.

Looking around the playoffs you see fast pace offenses that aren't lethargic at all. Dallas is more suited for that kind of play but yet we try to play a lethargic style of football.

This is probably the one thing that irritates me the most about Garrett's offense. We play like we have a huge lead in every game even when we are down. Nothing proves this more than our second halves of games compared our first halves this season. By the second half, the team was down or pressured enough that we had to speed things up.

When you look at good teams, they break from the huddle with energy. The team hurries to the line. When Dallas breaks the huddle, they casually walk to the line, Romo repositions at least one receiver if not two, then he sets up, fakes a snap count, then walks up to the line shouting out adjustments, then walks back only to snap it with 1-3 second left.

When I watch teams like Seattle, New England, etc. there always seems to be a sense of urgency, focus and determination with the whole team. The Cowboys have more of a sense of hope than those attributes.

I think you're right about not getting rid of Garrett because of what else is out there but we need a change with our offense. Hopefully that is getting done.

That's basically how I feel. I don't have any specific changes in mind when it comes to the non-player part of the team, but I definitely agree that things need to change, if for no other reason than what we have been doing, right or wrong, has not been producing results.

We have it directly from Kubiak's mouth that these changes occured after he personally met with McNair, not Rick Smith. McNair said he had scheduled a meeting with Wade, not Rick Smith. Rick Smith was teetering on the verge of being canned himself, and probably would have been thrown out with Kubiak if Kubiak didn't agree to the changes. Keep believing in your little make believe world.

Truth here. Wade was forced on Smith and Kubiak. Kubiak had hired his Denver cronies for years at D Coordinator and was also a horrible game manager,,,still is at times. People were calling for heads to roll. The fanbase was writing letters to McNair. Basically Bum got in here ear, told him to hire his boy at D Coordinator and that decision went down.

I think the main issue has been with our offensive and defensive lines. Most of us were complaining about the offensive line last off-season and Jerry/Garrett tried to use unproven youth and recycled/unwanted veterans to fix it and it failed.

This is probably the one thing that irritates me the most about Garrett's offense. We play like we have a huge lead in every game even when we are down. Nothing proves this more than our second halves of games compared our first halves this season. By the second half, the team was down or pressured enough that we had to speed things up.

When you look at good teams, they break from the huddle with energy. The team hurries to the line. When Dallas breaks the huddle, they casually walk to the line, Romo repositions at least one receiver if not two, then he sets up, fakes a snap count, then walks up to the line shouting out adjustments, then walks back only to snap it with 1-3 second left.

When I watch teams like Seattle, New England, etc. there always seems to be a sense of urgency, focus and determination with the whole team. The Cowboys have more of a sense of hope than those attributes.

That's basically how I feel. I don't have any specific changes in mind when it comes to the non-player part of the team, but I definitely agree that things need to change, if for no other reason than what we have been doing, right or wrong, has not been producing results.

/reality

great post
agree with this

when you watch NE, close to the red zone, they just dont give the opposing defense any time to adjust or even to get set

You are making assumptions based on fan and media speculation. The media said Payton would be our next coach. The media said Jerry talked with Gruden months ago. The media says a lot of things and fans just assume it is true if they hear it repeated enough. The media can guess and assume all day because no one calls them out for it.

It is just like when the media started posting rumors about Payton maybe ending up in Dallas, all of a sudden the "fire Garrett!" posts exploded. When Dallas was about to play Cleveland, rumors started over Holgrem was interested in coaching the Cowboys and how he was good friends with Jerry so he must be the coach in waiting. Then Dan Patrick claimed he heard from someone that Jerry talked to Gruden (which was never confirmed by the way) so suddenly he's the one we will get if Garrett is fired.

I just find it funny that so many fans openly dismiss Jerry's ability to make good football decisions (I'm not arguing that point by the way), yet seem to think he will make the right choice (with the right choice being their candidate) should he fire Garrett. I think that's wishful thinking at best and foolish logic at worst.

While I am not sold on Garrett yet, I am not down on him either. That said, when I stop thinking about the good coaches who could possibly replace him and start thinking about the not-so-good coaches that Jerry might hire instead, suddenly, I'm a lot more willing to give Garrett more time.

It's the "be careful what you ask for" scenario that concerns me.

/reality

Just to clear things up. I'm not buying into anything. In fact I was out of pocket all weekend reading things and today was the first I read of this. I'm just saying that Jerry kind of tied his own hands again by hiring a D Coordinator first if Garrett REALLY was a 50/50 proposition. Especially if his goal is to change the culture and bring in a strong coach. To me that is a mistake. Just fire them all and let someone do their thing. That is why I can't see this rumor happening. I'm not a Garrett fan. Think he is in over his head. But right now I just see a cluster at Valley Ranch and it is why the other day I was saying that all of this seems "by the seat of the pants" vs well planned. I got ripped for saying it, but it seems that way at times.

Just to clear things up. Think he (Garrett) is in over his head. But right now I just see a cluster at Valley Ranch and it is why the other day I was saying that all of this seems "by the seat of the pants" vs well planned.

It does seem like it's "learn as you go" every year with Jerruhh....all 17 of them.