Three cheers for RomneyCare

If only the Democrats had decided to socialize the food industry or housing, Romneycare would probably still be viewed as a massive triumph for conservative free-market principles — as it was at the time.

It’s not as if we had a beautifully functioning free market in health care until Gov. Mitt Romney came along and wrecked it by requiring that Massachusetts residents purchase their own health insurance. In 2007, when Romneycare became law, the federal government alone was already picking up the tab for 45.4 percent of all health care expenditures in the country.

Until Obamacare, mandatory private health insurance was considered the free-market alternative to the Democrats’ piecemeal socialization of the entire medical industry.

In November 2004, for example, libertarian Ronald Bailey praised mandated private health insurance in Reason magazine, saying that it “could preserve and extend the advantages of a free market with a minimal amount of coercion.”

A leading conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, helped design Romneycare, and its health care analyst, Bob Moffit, flew to Boston for the bill signing.

Romneycare was also supported by Regina Herzlinger, Harvard Business School professor and health policy analyst for the conservative Manhattan Institute. Herzlinger praised Romneycare for making consumers, not business or government, the primary purchasers of health care.

The bill passed by 154-2 in the Massachusetts House and unanimously, 37-0, in the Massachusetts Senate — including the vote of Sen. Scott Brown, who won Teddy Kennedy’s seat in the U.S. Senate in January 2010 by pledging to be the “41st vote against Obamacare.”

But because both Obamacare and Romneycare concern the same general topic area — health care — and can be nicknamed (politician’s name plus “care”), Romney’s health care bill is suddenly perceived as virtually the same thing as the widely detested Obamacare. (How about “Romneycare-gate”?)

As The New York Times put it, “Mr. Romney’s bellicose opposition to ‘Obamacare’ is an almost comical contradiction to his support for the same idea in Massachusetts when he was governor there.” This is like saying state school-choice plans are “the same idea” as the Department of Education.

One difference between the health care bills is that Romneycare is constitutional and Obamacare is not. True, Obamacare’s unconstitutional provisions are the least of its horrors, but the Constitution still matters to some Americans. (Oh, to be there when someone at the Times discovers this document called “the Constitution”!)

As Rick Santorum has pointed out, states can enact all sorts of laws — including laws banning contraception — without violating the Constitution.

That document places strict limits on what Congress can do, not what the states can do. Romney, incidentally, has always said his plan would be a bad idea nationally.

The only reason the “individual mandate” has become a malediction is because the legal argument against Obamacare is that Congress has no constitutional authority to force citizens to buy a particular product.

The legal briefs opposing Obamacare argue that someone sitting at home, minding his own business, is not engaged in “commerce … among the several states,” and, therefore, Congress has no authority under the Commerce Clause to force people to buy insurance.

No one is claiming that the Constitution gives each person an unalienable right not to buy insurance.

States have been forcing people to do things from the beginning of the republic: drilling for the militia, taking blood tests before marriage, paying for public schools, registering property titles and waiting in line for six hours at the Department of Motor Vehicles in order to drive.

There’s no obvious constitutional difference between a state forcing militia-age males to equip themselves with guns and a state forcing adults in today’s world to equip themselves with health insurance.

The hyperventilating over government-mandated health insurance confuses a legal argument with a policy objection.

If Obamacare were a one-page bill that did nothing but mandate that every American buy health insurance, it would still be unconstitutional, but it wouldn’t be the godawful train wreck that it is. It wouldn’t even be the godawful train wreck that high-speed rail is.

It would not be a 2,000-page, trillion-dollar federal program micromanaging every aspect of health care in America with enormous, unresponsive federal bureaucracies manned by no-show public-sector union members enforcing a mountain of regulations that will bankrupt the country and destroy medical care, as liberals scratch their heads and wonder why Obamacare is costing 20 times more than they expected and doctors are leaving the profession in droves for more lucrative careers, such as video store clerk.

Nothing good has ever come of a 2,000-page bill.

There’s not much governors can do about the collectivist mess Congress has made of health care in this country. They are mere functionaries in the federal government’s health care Leviathan.

A governor can’t repeal or expand the federal tax break given to companies that pay their employees’ health insurance premiums — a tax break denied the self-employed and self-insured.

A governor can’t order the IRS to start recognizing tax deductions for individual health savings accounts.

A governor can’t repeal the 1946 federal law essentially requiring hospitals to provide free medical services to all comers, thus dumping a free-rider problem on the states.

It was precisely this free-rider problem that Romneycare was designed to address in the only way a governor can. In addition to mandating that everyone purchase health insurance, Romneycare used the $1.2 billion that the state was already spending on medical care for the uninsured to subsidize the purchase of private health insurance for those who couldn’t afford it.

What went wrong with Romneycare wasn’t a problem in the bill, but a problem in Massachusetts: Democrats.

First, the overwhelmingly Democratic legislature set the threshold for receiving a subsidy so that it included people making just below the median income in the United States, a policy known as “redistribution of income.” For more on this policy, see “Marx, Karl.”

Then, liberals destroyed the group-rate, “no frills” private insurance plans allowed under Romneycare (i.e. the only kind of health insurance a normal person would want to buy, but which is banned in most states) by adding dozens of state mandates, including requiring insurers to cover chiropractors and in vitro fertilization — a policy known as “pandering to lobbyists.”

For more on “pandering” and “lobbyists,” see “Gingrich, Newt.” (Yes, that’s an actual person’s name.)

Romney’s critics, such as Rick Santorum, charge that the governor should have known that Democrats would wreck whatever reforms he attempted.

They have, but no more than they would have wrecked health care in Massachusetts without Romneycare. Democrats could use a sunny day as an excuse to destroy the free market, redistribute income and pander to lobbyists. Does that mean Republicans should never try to reform anything and start denouncing sunny days?

Santorum has boasted of his role in passing welfare reform in the 1990s. You know what the Democrats’ 2009 stimulus bill dismantled? That’s right: the welfare reform that passed in the 1990s.

Don’t you be a sassin me son. I mean it. I’ll gas up the pimpmobile and drive right out there to Wyoming and give you a good thrashing. I’ll do it!

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Do what? I think I forgot what we was a talkin about.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VQWHFAXTKUAKDY2WUIWFHODCTE James

Fiddy cent ? Man wit a little jiving I may shake out fiddy cent….don’t tell me what it for I don’t wanta know… aite.

A_friendly_reader

Can’t go ta extremes wit-out gummint permishon, Ayatollah.

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Ah IS the gummint son. Don’t you fergit that.

A_friendly_reader

That’s a pretty extreme loss, I tell you wut.

I think the ayatollah’s got a man-crush on you.

You shure know how ta attract ‘em.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VQWHFAXTKUAKDY2WUIWFHODCTE James

Dats it Remus I ain’t givin up no corn bread or chops now…don’t come to Wyoming now you would stand out in de snow like a coal brick on a vanilla ice cream Sunday. This cracker is the cave man casper the ghost looking dog here in my dogmain..

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

You lives in a dang cave? Dang son! Well at least you now realize the American dream of home ownership. Iza doin a good job!

You give multiple person syndrome a bad name…how many of you are posting on the same IPO now..I have lost track…

Ribbey

Yeah that’s right I remember now, I was gonna tell you my wyoming story about this gal I met who lives there.She was working for a rancher that I was working for and she flew here to visit him. She was as big as a lumberjack and strong,the german type woman.Anyways we met,someone gave her a box of longerie` as a joke.Hills Ranches has 5 here in Texas and 2 in Wyoming and I just know sure as I’m sitting you are going to ask me where and am still racking my brain at present, and will remember sooner or later. The boss was discussing her activity at the ranch in wyoming and she was talking about bear troubles, them getting the cows and such, and she told him when she spotted the bears that she would mount up and go after them even if they ran because they would always come back and you know what I was thinking..what in the hell kinda woman gets a rifle hops on a horse and chases a bear? I thought women like that were only of legend NOT in real life, yet there she was in front of me all the way from wyoming!HA HA HA! True Story!!!

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Lets see here son, I think I know the answer. You gots a 20 1/2 Kenyan shilling piece and a 19 1/2 Kenyan shilling piece. Is I right?

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Jez me an my fren Barry is all.

Ribbey

I was just thinking the very same thing PB…yep, the very same thing…hmmm…

Paul Earth A.D.

“To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of men. ” – James.

This is where I believe the church (Christians) have failed so miserably. We allowed (either through apathy, ignorance of God’s Word and political correctness) for false teachers to take over and preach a different gospel — a gospel built on half truths that called for tolerance and acceptance of every type of sin.

The compromising of God’s Word, His principles, and commands; has created a culture of death as Pope John Paul the second so aptly named it. When men and women of God decided that they simply wanted to get along with the world instead of rebuking it; the writing was on the wall. The Christians who did speak out against the evils of this time; were demonized and then marginalized — in their fear, they became subdued by the shackles of silence.

The results of this silence is far worse than cowardice — it has created a generation of lost souls, a generation of “christians” who cannot distinguish a truth from a lie, good from evil, and right from wrong. Neither can these understand the teachings of a God who condemns sin, for they have been taught that to judge sin is an unloving act and certainly cannot come from a loving God.

Let us who know the difference, those who know our Father and are known by Him; join our brethren in raising our voices, declaring His Truth’s, His promises and His warnings. Let us do this in the name of His glorious Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. For by Him have we been given not only life eternal; but we have been sealed by His Holy Spirit which is a spirit of power, strength, and courage.

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” (2 Tm 1:7)

planeboy

Let it go…I fell into it…I’am done with it…ignore it (as I will do) and maybe the head will pop from lack of attention…

Ribbey

LMAO!!! Now that’s just funny right there, I tell yew whut!

Ribbey

Oh damn I should scram or climb a tree to see…

A_friendly_reader

Best get sirius if you wantin’ that thiddy cent.

planeboy

Yeah right…

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

I aint never be good at math. Dang Chinese short changed me the other day.

Ribbey

Heh Heh! yes she was,and she always did it with a big stick and a smile…she knew about things like castor oil and black draw, and, and, a hickory switch…heh heh!

planeboy

Do you really think that anyone with a half brain can’t follow the footprints of your multiple IDs….Soros is not getting his moneys worth…

A_friendly_reader

I think it’s a ‘friendly.’

Toast thinks so too.

Either way, these aren’t the usual sass and snot .

Ribbey

did you read my wyoming story down the thread a little ways,read it, it’s good!!!

Ribbey

HOWDY PAUL!!! How are ya this evening?

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Those dang footprints agin? I tried draggin a board behind me, guess it aint a workin.

planeboy

I know..it’s hard to let it go..I’am guilty as the next guy…

Paul Earth A.D.

Hi riblady,

I’m fine thanks. Getting a little bit tired, but other than that everything is good. How about you?

A_friendly_reader

Sounds like ‘scuses to me.

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

I’d be a whole lot friendlier if you gave me my dang fiddy cent.

Ribbey

Same, same. It’s all good! Stayin up a little late, but I’ll buy myself out of trouble for sleepin to late with waffles and some bacon and eggs for breakfast! Heh Heh! Then all will be right with the world again.

Paul Earth A.D.

Hello , Jerry, Toast and Planeboy.

westoast

Hi Paul. I just brought the screen back up to turn it off. How you doing?

planeboy

No it aint…and it’s not agin…that would be again..but then again you have not clue as to how easy it is to track your IPO…if only you knew…do you think Soroass might want his money back?…he should..

Paul Earth A.D.

That sounds really good.

planeboy

Hey Paul..hey wait is that a song?…

Ribbey

Gets me out of twuble every time! I call it my big guns with cinnamin buns! Ha Ha!

Ribbey

No silly, that’s Hey Jude…

westoast

I am out of here for the night. One of us needs to get some sleep.
Skelton friends.

Ribbey

Toast, where you goin???

A_friendly_reader

Hi, Paul.

Having trouble keeping the new posts lining up without refreshing, so I’m missing some posts.

westoast

I’m tired. I just came back to turn the computer off. Have a good one.

A_friendly_reader

If he’s got a partner named Paula.

planeboy

Oh…

planeboy

Later toast man…

A_friendly_reader

Not running off to rendezvous with the Shug, I hope.

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Dang it! You mean to tell me DISQUS put my dang ip on display agin? I dun tol them not to do that no more. Downright embarrassin is wut that is. They better not put my mac up there agin or theres a goin ta be hell to pay.

Ribbey

J erry, I’ve been holding the click key down for 7 or 8 seconds before I release it and my new comments have stopped dissapearing, a few moments ago I forgot to do first time tonite and 4 new comments dissapeared and then I went back to holding key down again and it works every time. I think that might help someone.

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

Youse the only one here wut unnerstans me so guess I’ll leave too. Dang humorless thread is wut this is.

A_friendly_reader

www youtube com/watch?v=edQW6RYQklo

Replace the spaces with periods.

Paul Earth A.D.

I’m good. I see that you are signing off so, goodnight, God Bless you.

Ribbey

Sigh…Otay! God bless and ~ SKELTON ~

A_friendly_reader

I don’t know what the click key is, Ribbey.

Paul Earth A.D.

Is it?

I’ve heard of Hey Jude, but not so sure about the other.

Paul Earth A.D.

That’s probably for the best.

A_friendly_reader

Hey Paul, Hey Paula — 1963.

Paul:Hey, hey Paula, I wanna marry you
Hey, hey Paula, no one else will ever do
I’ve waited so long for school to be through
Paula, I can’t wait no more for you
My love, my love

Paula:
Hey Paul, I’ve been waiting for you
Hey, hey, hey Paul, I want to marry you too
If you love me true, if you love me still
Our love will always be real
My love, my love

Both:
True love means planning a life for two
Being together the whole day through
True love means waiting and hoping that soon
Wishes we’ve made will come true
My love, my love

Ribbey

It just means whatever key you use to click on new comments smarty pants!!!Heh Heh!!!

planeboy

Are really that stupid…disqus? Really? Disqus is kids play..as I say Soroass should get his money back…

A_friendly_reader

If you wantin’ that thiddy cent, better anserr my question before you outta here.

Ribbey

Otay! Don’t gloat jes cause yer rite!!! Dang it!

planeboy

Just having with it…but I thought there might have been..if not there should have been…lol..

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

I don’t got no dang answer. Don’t ya’ll be a sneakin no peek at my ip after I leave. You hear me?

jas

It’s the one she uses to collapse Loyd with. LOL!!!

Ribbey

OH HA HA JAS!!! ; – ) not ha ha like funny…..

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

You got fiddy cent/ Oh wait, never mind. I have to leave before someone sees my ip.

planeboy

You don’t get much that’s for sure..

A_friendly_reader

I don’t know how you do it, Ribbey, but I don’t use any keys. I just use the mouse to move the cursor up there and then click the mouse.

Are you maybe using a laptop and no mouse?

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

I’m serious, don’t you be lookin at my ip when I’m gone.

planeboy

You and who else’s….

A_friendly_reader

If you hear it a coupla times, you don’t really forget it.

Ribbey

Don’t you click on your mouse??? yes I am on a laptop.

A_friendly_reader

I sent you a youtube link to it 10-20 minutes ago.

Ayatollah Barrackomeini

I dun forgot what we were talking about agin, sorry.

Paul Earth A.D.

I think I’m going to head out; I’m pretty tired and only meant to stop in for a bit.

You all have a great Saturday; May God be with you.

planeboy

Yeah it’s like what I live for…you guys are like wet rice paper in a wind storm …all how many of you?

jas

Holy Night!!!!

jas

Paul’s gonna have such Paragraph Envy!!!! LOL!!!

Ribbey

OH YES I WILL!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Joe whatever said all these things you keep attributing to me… you can communicate with his son at the web site I gave…. bitch at him for his father’s indiscretion.

Ribbey

OTAY! ; – )

westoast

Oh come on Lynn. Let her in on the joke.
Ribbey. Lynn will befriend you and turn on you over and over again. I’m warning you for Lynn’s sake. Sounds like you relish using the snippers a little too much.
This message is out of Love Lynn.

Tony_Seco

It’s proof that you have no right to make Gods decision. Do you know if a baby is destined to cure cancer, invent perpetual motion, fusion energy? No wonder we need people from other countries to come and work as doctors, scientists and engineers. We’re killing them all off.

westoast

Are you kidding me? Paul would write his parting words on that guys worn out barely breathing carcass. Paul just doesn’t want to alienate us.
I guess we are not even going to mention Jerry.

Tony_Seco

Yeah, yeah, just like when you claimed that the bible was full of errors and then c/p’d something from a website to prove it. After I shot it full of holes, you just claimed that it wasn’t your work.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

” I personally oppose abortions which should be
illegal”

This was in the first paragraph of my OLD RANT…. which part did you not understand?

Toad

Well, it’s official – I squeak.

Three days ago while working around the house I started hearing a squeaking noise. I thought it was one of my sandals, thinking they may have a metal plate in the sole. Then two days ago I’m wearing boots through the BX and commissary, shopping for tomorrow’s grand party, and I heard itagain. I thought it odd that another pair of footwear would be doing the same thing.

Then last night I’m working around the house barefoot and I heard it again. I then realized it wasn’t my shoes at all but rather ME!

My Marine and Air Force daughter flew into town to be here for our infamous Super Bowl party and I had them walk behind to make certain I wasn’t imagining things.

Sure enough, once they realized that sound was emanating from my body they couldn’t stop laughing.

It is true; I squeak and for the life of me I can’t figure out why.

A_friendly_reader

No author at the bottom.

That post was presented as your own work.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

You are definitely a “hell of a shot” in your own mind…. LMFAO!

joe6pack

Not enough lubrication?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

You obviously are not on the same road as we are.

Toad

I’m trying to keep up on my share of diet beer. I’m not certain what else to take.

westoast

I don’t know you well enough to hazard a guess as to what is causing it.
But if you post this over at Buchanenwald they will say it is because you are a Jew.

joe6pack

LOL! Whatever works.

We were discussing earlier here about your post from the other day when you referred to “Mike and Andrew” sharing an IP address. Can you confirm that as a fact?

westoast

Do you take glucosimine and chondroitin?

Toad

I can’t even spell those things!

Toad

Joe, email me privately.

joe6pack

LMAO!

It is hilarious to me how they say we see a Jihadist under our beds at night and then they launch into a tirade about Da JOOOOZ!

jas

Sounds like you’re a quart low.

joe6pack

Will do. I was going to and then “boom” here you are so, I thought I would mention it.

Toad

I know. The son-in-law is taking the Prius to the Class-6 presently to get me more.

A_friendly_reader

ssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

jas

You normally qualify your own principles by saying you aren’t your brother’s keeper, or words to that effect.

Ribbey

Joe! Got it! Shot a REAL good one back at ya!

joe6pack

I am guessing you don’t have any type of implants in hips or joints? Shrapnel?

westoast

They supposedly replenish your cartilage (layman’s terms all I know). I know people that they have worked wonders for. I have used it as well and still would if I could remember to take the damn things after they start working.

Toad

Can Scottish/Irish be Jews? If so, I’ll take it.

joe6pack

okey doke

jas

Ask Toad to say Oil Can.

westoast

Well Joe, the Jews really are under their beds. All of them (Jews).
That is what causes the exhaustion and the other symptoms like hallucinations.

Toad

Nothing like that, only some ‘kevelar’ the V.A. patched me up with in my gut back in ’03.

It’s my left step that makes the sound and I can’t figure out if it’s the hip, ankle, knee or whatever. There is no pain associated.

Ribbey

WELL Jumpin Jehosaphat!!! Toad! Dang, how are ya fella? So glad ya came ; – )

joe6pack

It would appear so. I wouldn’t believe their insanity if I hadn’t seen it.

jas

Are you in the process of being Assimilated? LOL!!!

joe6pack

Westoast may be correct and you just need a supplement to replace the cartilage that is lost.

I should take some of that stuff myself. It would probably make my hip and lower back feel a little better.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

The little tyke is a fetus before he draws his first breath. Hey…… Joe Schwartz gave the biblical references…. prove HIM wrong.

Toad

I’m tired as all get-out. Been working around the house all week and really put on the motions today to get ready for the Super Bowl party tomorrow.

We used to put on some bang-up parties many years ago but haven’t done so for that decade or so. We’re changing our evil ways and getting back into action. Phuck 9/11.

westoast

I think Jeri Ryan squeaked when she walked also.

Ribbey

ROFLMAO!!! ; – )

Toad

I did run into some Borg recently, but we didn’t come into contact.

jas

I know I stifled a squeak or two when she walked!

Toad

That’s what the wife says. In the mean time the kids just get a kick out of the fact that unidentified sounds come from my body that don’t include expelling gas.

westoast

LMAO!

jas

Class VI?

You don’t live near a Class VI.

I always thought you operated out of March.

Norton AFB was a cute little base. All gone now….

My sister lived in Fontana for 10 or so years before moving back here in the mid-90′s. My nephew was a big football, baseball, and basketball hero at Fontana High in the late 80′s.

A_friendly_reader

Have you considered membership in Mickey Mouse Club?

A_friendly_reader

I did suspect you all were lost.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Not likely…. did you find the right post with the name at the bottom…..YET?

Toad

Any store that sells beer is a Class VI to me. And yes, I’m out of March now, though my present unit got it’s start at Norton. Long history dating back to the aftermath of Viet Nam.

Fontana, I know it well; too well. That’s why I live in the mountains now. I made too many enemies with the gang-bangers there.

planeboy

My pops worked at Norton AFB..we lived in Crestline at the time…would have been around 1961…

planeboy

Crestline?…

Toad

Lynn was supposed to come meet me at the Dallas airport one time when Mel took the time.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED, LYNN?

I was looking forward to meeting you in person.

A_friendly_reader

They make it easier to run up a clock.

jas

The Hoveround Lot was full. LOL!!!

westoast

Only when taken with hickory and dickory.
Of course under the supervision of a doc.

A_friendly_reader

Do cats seem to take an unusual interest in you lately?

Toad

My haven. No gang-bangers, no graffiti, no B.S. I’m surrounded by serenity. I’ve got squirrels, raccoons, birds, bear, deer, and I even saw a bobcat the other day.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

I am sorry Toad…. you are probably the person I respect the most here….. The truth is I have been crippled up for some time [thus the blunt of hover round jokes] I don’t go out a lot– but I am in Clearwater— should you draw near remember my email:

I tend to avoid Disney these days. Ol’ Walt might be rolling over in his grave presently at how his name is being used today.

A_friendly_reader

Are you very close to a scarecrow and a cowardly lion?

Toad

Next time I get through there I will be looking forward to shaking you hand and having a beer with you, sir.

jas

The story of my life….

No Respect!!!!

Toad

Nothing compared to Navy bases; especially Chiefs quarters.

Toad

I did have one peeing on my leg the other day, but other than that nothing odd.

Ribbey

Heh Heh! Sounds like great fun! Don’t fall out of the tree and spill de buds!!! Pace yourself, wait you know all dat…well if I ever get one in my sights,and I’m clear to go,I’ll be singing that song by Marie Laboux “Another man done gone” I’m referring to the perpetrators of 9/ll, I agree!!!

jas

I lived on Mather for five years. Well, the last year I was in Egypt.

And I worked on the old Sacramento Army Depot. LOL!!! What a dump….

Toad

I’ve been dropping Christmas and Birthday hints around the place for the last several years. I’ve even signed up for their mailer but to no avail.

I am still ‘hover-less’. ):

A_friendly_reader

It might help you get a job at Chuck E. Cheese.

planeboy

If that’s where you are I agree..as a kid it was heaven to me..some of the best times of my life…in the summer fished everyday…

A_friendly_reader

No name.

Toad

Are you coming back anytime soon? Preferably tomorrow? The Super Bowl party is ON!!!!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

I am going to take a break while I wait for Paul’s answer…. brb

A_friendly_reader

You know, Paul doesn’t drop huge posts without spacing on this message board.

You’d think Lynn would be capable of equal technical sophistication.

I’m speaking as a neutral observer here — an impartial and objective arbiter of their differences.

I’m a decider, not a divider.

A_friendly_reader

I know what you’re implying, and it only proves your truncated homophobic fixation.

Progressive: “Why is everyone so mean to me? Can’t you see I’m all crippled up?

√9G: “LOL OUT LOUD!””’

Repeat stage 1…

A_friendly_reader

Man, wait till the BuchananReich guys hear about that.

jas

You needed more than one or did the doc take care of that double chin? LOL!!!

Anonymous

I’m thinkin Shuga’s kids are at least half Chihuaua.

jas

Lynn made me do it!

jas

LOL!!!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Gab,,,, I woulda defended you….. but I was riding through a blizzard looking for Joe the Jew who wrote when the bible says life begins…. it won’t happen again [say did I tell you about the offer I got to make you into a pair of shoes and a matching handbag?].

A_friendly_reader

Toooooo bad we didn’t see you around last night, Gabe.

Ready to earn that thiddy cent?

A_friendly_reader

Please, please, please:

No jokes about the drooling.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Would that my schwartz was that big.

westoast

I will see you all later. Please have a good night all.
Westoast gone.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

spater

Anonymous

Later toast.

Paul Earth A.D.

A friendly Reader,

I didn’t side step anything, I only read a statement by Lynn that said life begins with breath or something to that effect, which I then refuted by means of scripture and then signed off.

When I had returned I saw that Tony had been discussing abortion with Lynn. And from what I read; Tony’s points made sense. Only later did I recently find Lynn’s (or some guy who he allowed to represent him) post. And I have not even challenged those scripture other than to say they are out of context; this because I didn’t even feel like wasting my time. As I stated, the very idea of using God’s Word to justify abortion is disturbing and shows that such a person (Lynns friend?) doesn’t know God at all.

But you may believe what ever you like Jerry; I know it’s important for you personally to have a “winner or loser” declared in arguments or debates. But I wouldn’t call my ignoring Lynn’s cited expert’s, out of context usage of scripture, a debate. I just don’t care right now, I wanted to have a relaxing evening and wasn’t seeking strife as some do.

And just listen to yourself:

“If someone makes a claim during a debate that isn’t contested, I award that point to the original claimant. That’s how fights are fought. That’s how juries weigh decisions. That’s how duels and other contests are scored.”

For one thing, I didn’t realize this was a contest and that you had been elected to judge.

And if you really want to know what God thinks about abortion; then you have to get to know God first; and you can only do that by reading and studying His Word (The Bible).

As far as I can tell; you are the one doing all the side stepping, you are the one letting things go uncontested by not taking the time to KNOW something and someone for yourself.

Lynn, his unlearned cited friend, Tony and myself could have been using quotes from the satanic bible or even making them up and you wouldn’t have known the difference; and then based on those untruths you are going to decide what God say’s on the subject of life, when it begins and abortion? And then decide who is right and who’s wrong; who wins the debate and who loses it?

Anonymous

That was jas.

A_friendly_reader

What are their names?

Yippy and Skippy?

westoast

You should take a primordial spelling class.

Anonymous

WHAT?!!!

westoast

See ya GGG. Sorry you’re late to the party. Next time!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Uh oh….. Friendly is not.

A_friendly_reader

But not forgotten.

A_friendly_reader

Honey West is on, Jack. I figured you’d want to know.

jas

Honey Westoast just signed off. LOL!!!

jas

Lynn’s been here ALL day hurting everybody’s feelings. I think along with most of his colon, the doc removed his biological alarm clock. LOL!!!

Anonymous

What’s up with that Geezer? Why do you like to be so hurtful every day? I see you even made riblady mad at you.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Ever hear of the “Scorpion and the Frog”? What can I say.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

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jas

Earlier he tried to convince us life begins at 70! LOL!!!

Anonymous

Is that the one where the scorpion spent all summer building a house and the frog just lazed around in the pond chasing the lady frogs around and then when winter came the frog croaked? Oh wait, wrong story.

jas

Lynn!!! Lynn!!! Lynn!!!!

I think we lost him!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!RIP OLD FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous

QUICK!!! get the jumper cables!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Before I go…. has anyone other that me noticed how many folks do Paul’s talking for him…. TRACT LITERATURE out of the butt!

jas

You are in T R O U B L E ……

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jas

You haven’t been this Snarky in YEARS!!!

C L E A R………ZAPPPPPPP!!!!!!

jas

Obsolete!

Anonymous

Cinnamon Roll head

jas

Egg Tooth!!!

Paul Earth A.D.

You’re an idiot Lynn.

Everything I wrote to Jerry is because He knows that I’m his friend and that I care about him. I don’t want Jerry to simply trust what I have to say about God’s Word; and I certainly don’t want him to trust anything you have to say about it; I want Jerry to trust and know God for Himself; then He can be a well informed fit judge. More importantly; He won’t be judged himself — He’ll be saved and spared God’s judgement. Something you had best be concerned about yourself.

Anonymous

WHAT?!!!

jas

You should see if Lynn’ll spring for some braces!

G’night all!!!!!

Paul Earth A.D.

I can express myself just fine Lynn. Maybe you should take more notice of your own insufficiency’s.

Anonymous

later

A_friendly_reader

How did I get to be the issue?

Apparently my new-post bar took a powder for a while.

I’d better see what’s been happenin’.

Paul Earth A.D.

There’s nothing happening and I’m not sure who else is still here.

I wrote you a post and I suppose that’s what got Lynn all excited.

A_friendly_reader

Assumptions, Paul. You assume I was writing about you. I wasn’t. You showed up after most of the action.

You characterized my interest as picking winners and losers. In some sense, maybe. I have an interest in finding out if scriptures address the question of abortion, though not in order for me to make up my mind on that basis.

I was very interested in Lynn’s views and in the opposite views. I hoped to see for myself, as anyone else whose mind was open, which views were better supported.

I would hope that would be the point for the debate. What else is there? When I debate with someone else here, I have in mind the goal of presenting a superior case for any open-minded readers who pass by. Why argue, otherwise? I don’t think anyone in this discussion had a “prayer” of converting their opponent.

I have no intent of engaging in a lot of research on the topic, because my central beliefs have taken shape over many years, but that doesn’t mean I take no interest in expanding my knowledge — in this case to a religious perspective. Mine isn’t founded in religion.

If you want to call that side-stepping, that’s your privilege.

As for my lack of background knowledge on this topic, that wouldn’t necessarily stop me from weighing who delivered the most solid arguments. I’m pretty well schooled in that kind of thing. And other readers will have the same opportunity, and they can draw their own conclusions.

Paul Earth A.D.

Here’s Lynn’s cited “expert” (Dr. Joe Schwartz) on when life began according to the Bible. This mans web site is a joke and contains “R” rated videos and jokes; I didn’t bother to look at them.

So, does Lynn just surf the internet and click on anything and finds these whackjobs and cites them as being knowledgeable scholars of the bible without even investigating their beliefs? Given Lynn’s outright rejection of most of the Bible;especially the New Testament and Jesus Christ – I’m inclined to believe that these are Lynn’s teachers and he finds merit in their bizarre unbiblical beliefs because they mirror his own.

Here’s this man’s explanation about Heaven; a piece that is COMPLETELY contrary to the Bible and borders on lunacy. No wait, this is lunacy.

~ Heaven explained ~

” Because of the widespread misconception concerning where people go after death, I feel compelled to present a brief explanation. It is thought by many that heaven was created at least 5766 years ago; this calculation was made by working backward in time using the first five books of the old testament that were given to Moses. This would place it in time approximately 3761 years before the birth of Christ.

Actually, heaven is composed of numerous realms; however, for all intents and purposes, each realm can be considered as a separate heaven. As a result, I will refer to the various realms as heavens as is done in the bible. The Heavens were conceived so that people would have peace and tranquility after death; as a result, there is a separate heaven for each persuasion that existed during life. Each heaven is completely separate from the others and, in fact, people in one heaven are not aware of the fact that the other heavens even exist. Most of the heavens are made up of members of specific religious sects so as to prevent discord among members of the various religions as well as problems between denominations of the same religion. There are dozens of Christian heavens as well as a number of different Jewish heavens not to mention the hundreds of other heavens. I might add that one is not required to have a religion in order to gain entrance to one of the non-religious heavens. Since there can be no intermingling of members of the different heavens, the idea that a Christian would walk with a Jew after death is incongruous. I bring this up because so many people seem to forget that Jesus, Joseph, Mary and all of the disciples were Jewish and wouldn’t want to associate or even walk with a member of a different religion: especially if members of that religion had been hostile to Jews. The idea is really inconsequential since they would be in a separate heaven anyway.

One of the sad things is that those Muslim suicide bombers who thought they would gain entrance to one of the Paradises (Muslim heavens) as a martyr are in for the shock of their death since they don’t meet the criteria for entrance to any of the heavens by virtue of the fact that they intentionaly killed or attempted to kill others. I won’t go into the criteria for admission to the various heavens since they are so varied; however, it is mainly based on how you lived your life and not on your beliefs. I think that most people will know whether they qualify or not.

Also, there appears to be a widespread belief among Christians that one of the Jews by the name of Jesus died for their sins and as a result their sins are forgiven; nothing could be farther from the truth since each person is held to be personally responsible for his or her own actions. According to the highest authority, sins can not be abrogated so that there can be no absolution. Unfortunately, by the time they find out, it will be too late and a number of them will end up with the suicide bombers and serial killers. For those of you who have said “Oh well, what the Hell” before having done something that you knew you shouldn’t have done, all I can say is “Wait and see what brimstone really smells like”.

Paul Earth A.D.

Jerry,

I’ll write you an email about it, my computer is acting up and it’s getting late. And I apologize for not having written you sooner on some other subjects we had discussed here; I have been lazy about it and there’s really no excuse for that.

Anyway, sleep well.

Revelation 3.20 – Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

A_friendly_reader

I don’t think you’ve got an address for me, Paul. I have a throw-away address at the ready which I haven’t checked in months, so I don’t even know if it’s still active. If I knew you were on site, I’d check it out and pass it along.

that excerpt about different heavens was pretty fanciful. In the excerpt was no biblical reference, making it hearsay.

Paul Earth A.D.

Here’s some more “Christianity” from Lynn’s Bible expert Dr. Joe Schwartz’s web site; it’s a quiz to see if you can identify a female from a she male. Christianity at its worst! Thanks Lynn!

http : // joeschwartz . net /shemale /

Just remove the spaces.

A_friendly_reader

Well, I thought the two of you could deftly step away, like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor to pursue a trolling career.

westoast

By the way we had a meeting and nobody showed up except GGG and I.
We decided Shug’s new name is Lady ShugaGAGA. Sorry we weren’t able to include the rest of you in this process.
We forgot that we are the only one’s with binary swamp mail, the method used to deliver the invites (that’s what they’re called in the swamp).

A_friendly_reader

Excuse me — did you mean westosterone?

westoast

Geez, Jerry. It almost sounds like you think I’m a troll.
Uh oh…….is that the stabbing music from Psycho I hear?

Ribbey

ROFL!!!

A_friendly_reader

I read the minutes, and it seemed to me there was no quorum. I would move to strike the Lady as redundant.

There’s way too much getting decided without a quorum. It’s like the White House appointing cabinet officers without Senate approval. They could never get away with that.

As for mail, I figured GGG used trinary swamp mail. He qualifies for it — I think some folks call it 3G.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Must be the acoustics in here…. I am hearing the music for JAWS.

A_friendly_reader

No, but I think you could learn with the proper apprenticeship.

Did you read that Ribbey has seen commercials for applying testosterone with a troll-on?

A_friendly_reader

Red alert!

Long shark sighted.

Or is that land shark?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

I haven’t seen the damned thing yet….. it’s just that stinking music.

A_friendly_reader

Could be mistaken identity.

Are there any loan sharks in your vicinity?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

I bet that’s it…. those guys have been after me for months.

westoast

Good to know.

A_friendly_reader

If there were only one of them, would he be a lone shark?

A_friendly_reader

Don’t know where y’all have gone, but I hope it’s a bit more animated than this site.

westoast

I’m multi-tasking.

A_friendly_reader

Liquid or solid refreshment?

jas

Haven’t I been the busy poster over on Buchanan’s? LOL!!!

A_friendly_reader

Are you lost?

westoast

Yes you have. You even called me a bitch!
I’ll let it slide this time.

jas

You didn’t seem to mind?!!!!

Guest

Hey, my Mother claims to be “Christian” and I believe she is genuine….but according to the statistics…..Christian Moms tend to be skittishly all over the place on what to do with the likes of me. Here are the Stats from the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform: “Who’s having abortions (religion)?”

Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as “Born-again/Evangelical”.

Also this: “Why women have abortions?”
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

It seems entities like me…innocent and unblemished….Human Beings are almost in the category of an endangered species

You know, “guest fetus,” that rope lying at your feetus (lol) is for you to use when mommy goes potty. We don’t want her to spontaneously welcome you to a watery world!

Secure it to your head with a couple of loops and a half-hitch when you hear her grunting. LOL!!

westoast

LOL! Stop talking to the evil fetus.

A_friendly_reader

Now I”VE had a post pop up in an odd place, out of sync — Jack’s recent post about his granddaughter recording things on her phone.

Strange

You never explained the meaning of posts “flying” across the board, by the way.

^♠^

Tip for the day

Blood stains on clothes? Not to worry! Just pour a little hydrogen peroxide on a cloth and proceed to wipe off every drop of blood. Works every time! (Now, where to put the body?) LOL

A_friendly_reader

I’ve never seen someone addressing a fetus, Jack. Do you have a fetus fetish?

Guest

That’s my lifeline Mr. Jack not a “rope“…and I hang on to it diligently and avoid any “hitches“….and yes I’m well aware that many pregnant mothers are startled when their water breaks while they’re sitting on the “john”…..not to worry I’m well prepared for any comon adversity like that…you know we “endangered” innocents’ encounter all kinds of negative “vibes” and believe me, we are always on alert these days. You should have seen me dodging the amniocentesis needle while in float mode……now that was a close one.

^♠^

Some people never learn…

For all the pomp and excess of Madonna’s Super Bowl halftime extravaganza a single extended middle finger by guest singer M.I.A. is likely to be the most remembered piece of the show.The gesture, accompanied by a barely disguised expletive, came during a performance of Madonna’s new single, “Give Me All Your Luvin.’” At the end of her lines, M.I.A. appeared to sing “I don’t give a (expletive),” although it was hard to hear clearly.

westoast

You click on the yellow new post bar and no new post appears. Flying down the page.

A_friendly_reader

Someone told me that’s probably a post on a part of the thread past the page currently on your monitor.

^♠^

“The NFL hired the talent and produced the halftime show,” NBC spokesman Christopher McCloskey said. “Our system was late to obscure the inappropriate gesture and we apologize to our viewers,”
The NFL blamed a failure in NBC’s delay system for allowing the gesture to be seen. Spokesman Brian McCarthy said M.I.A. did not do anything similar during rehearsals and the league had no reason to believe she would pull something like that during the actual show.
“The obscene gesture in the performance was completely inappropriate, very disappointing, and we apologize to our fans,” McCarthy said.

Guest

BTW Mr. Jack…there is a certain control freak dubbed the “sawed off self loather abortionist” it seems he has a “thing” about fetuses (especially in the third trimester) and is trying to stifle and suppress their innocent cry with an anal retentive “plot” to terminate them…..avoid that particular malevolent “Dr.” at all costs.

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Question ?

Do they taste like veal ?

westoast

¿sboo

1LonesomeDove1

He’ll never leave if we continue to bottle feed him the attention he wants.

^♠^

Very true.

Ribbey

Hellooooooo…………………………

Guest

Are you talking about the “sawed off Self loathing Abortionist” who roams Annville willy nilly looking for anyone innocent to devour?

westoast

Dang comments weren’t loading.

A_friendly_reader

“We,” kimosabe?

It’s you and Toast he’s courting. Some kind of chemistry thing.

Ribbey

Such weirdness, oh my my…

Guest

Mr. ShugaRay showed me your “Cyberscalp”…..I thought if looked great hanging from his belt…..He says the “white buffalo” was desecrated by you….and that you are a “defiler of the innocent.” But, I don’t believe him….I told him to give your “CyberScalp” back as a gesture of peace. He said he would think about it…and then walked away.

1LonesomeDove1

I haven’t spoken to him in over a week now. Ever since we all came to what I thought was an agreement to ignore the moron.

But how would you know this when you keep losing track of posts?

jas

Stop it.

westoast

I am for that agreement still.

1LonesomeDove1

I know you are.

jas

Your mom will let anybody in there. LOL!!!

Ribbey

Me Toooo…..

A_friendly_reader

I thought Toast was the post-loser. I’m doing pretty well with them, except maybe for Jack’s, but he doesn’t count because he’s into self-mutilation.

I seriously plan to address even this mutant, as soon as I stop laughing. I can’t bring myself to stop, though.

I watched a Marx Brothers movie last night, and when I run across Lady Mutant Gaga’s posts now, I crack up, thinking of that movie.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

Ribbey

Break the deal face the wheel…

A_friendly_reader

Gimme thiddy cent.

westoast

He is hoping he can get enough attention to tide him over until you start talking to him. You own the most space in his head.
You can see I have adjoining real estate. We all do.

westoast

………………………(stern look)…………………………

1LonesomeDove1

Exactly right!

All he wants is attention so he can fill up time and space with psycho BS, and control the thread.
I don’t have to answer him cause he’s sick….I know it….and his sickness isn’t gonna become mine.

We’ve tried this before and it’s always failed because we can’t get everyone to cooperate, and that’s why I’m an inch away from leaving here indefinitely.

A_friendly_reader

The ayatollah had a good conversation with him recently.

Ribbey

Hey L D! How are ya? Noooo I have’nt done it…… ;- )

A_friendly_reader

He wrote me off. He wants YOU. YOU. Mainly YOU.

Guest

That’s true Mr. Jack…but only to a certain extent…I don’t know if I’m a Bastard or not….but I can here a man’s voice speaking to me from the outside and telling me that he loves me…and that he can’t wait to hold me in his arms…….I’ll take him at his word….afterall, the innocent have to trust…it’s sometimes called the ignorance of innocence….I call it unhampered self confidence and life longing for itself.

westoast

That would be a win for Lady ShugaGAGA. Don’t you dare.
Everybody just needs to hang in there. Not with all trolls. Just this POS.

You know how it is. I can’t tell people what to do here. I can only direct my own course.

Mike at least debates things even if he is an idiot and a liar; same
with eddie and I can also tolerate Bill, but this one serves no purpose
here.

I wasn’t even the one to propose this action, but every time it gets proposed, it fails.

When I give up and respond like everyone else does, someone comes right
back and complains again and the whole thing proceeds in one continuous
circle.

westoast

Well I’m done with him LD. Maybe if we hang in there it will rub off.
This latest ploy of his shows that his sickness is no joke.
I can only imagine the things he has done in real life to drive people away from himself and leave him stranded here looking for some type of outlet for his mental disorder.

A_friendly_reader

I’ll dissent, partially.

He’s all about controlling others by triggering irritation and anger. He has little or no control over James. Whoever borrows his moniker but not his avatar and mocks him drives him into a white-hot rage.

He does target certain people whom I won’t identify. They’re the critical link.

I get a kick seeing him get contorted, he tries so hard to cause grass fires.

But it would probably be best for him if he just packed and left. He had at least two total breakdowns last year, and they’re not pretty to watch.

Ribbey

Man I watched one of my very favorite westerns last nite “The Last Hard Men” Charleton Heston and James Coburn…

Ribbey

Pssssss….rattle rattle..psssss…ouch!

westoast

I guess that was a pretty good game.
Even though the Niners weren’t in it………..

1LonesomeDove1

Responding to him here is the same as a family member enabling an alcoholic.
He needs to have his “fix” removed.

jas

The trick is to not take it personal. Which is easy for me since I don’t seem to be one of his favorite targets.

My thumb hurts!!!

westoast

Yup. I think Jas likes watching him suffer. LOL!!!

westoast

Whose turn is it to change the baby?

Guest

Mr. Toast, I’m a Sunday GUEST HOST….and every Sunday there will be others as guest’s of Mr. ShugaRay. I don’t think you need to shun his guest’s….and I don’t think I’m controversial either…….why don’t you try to learn something about my plight for a change….do you know that there are approximately forty two million abortions annually Worldwide? I am desperate to get my message out….and all you want to do is to try and silence my “silent scream.” I bring my predicament to Annville and the local’s are too busy chit chatting nonsense and organizing “freeze outs” and stifling free speech….while their world and their country slides down a slippery slope to extinction.

jas

When the conversation turns to Religion I split and when The ShugaGaGa is exchanging body blows with the regulars I usually find something else to do.

I’m thinking of cancelling my dentist appointment tomorrow because of my thumb. It’s only for a cleaning, but I still grab the armrests in a death grip! LOL!!!

1LonesomeDove1

I know who they are, and I’m one of them. He’s outraged that his lies have been busted because he’s not a clever liar and never has been.

It would be fine to play with his head if that’s all it would ever amount to, but it won’t.
Eventually someone gets angry because he’ll escalate his attacks until they do.

westoast

I read his original post today out of curiosity.
It cemented the fact that he is mentally deranged.
His posts to me from now on are just desperate cries for attention from an un-medicated basket case. They are collapsed.

1LonesomeDove1

I don’t think I can get the same Western channel you do.

A_friendly_reader

I’ve only seen a freeze tried once, and someone who’s ordinarily very reliable was weak. That broke the circle, and everyone stopped trying.

This time the circle is holding. But I don’t think we can stop James — plus certain types of interaction aren’t harmful, and I’m not referring to myself. The longer the freeze continues, though, the more momentum it gains — my opinion.

Jack’s probably in so much pain from his latest self-inflicted wound that his straying into verboten territory tonight was due to temporary derangement.

Mike’s no different from Mr. Gaga except that he’s less crude. I think they’re joined at the hip, and I’d say Mr. Bill shares their real estate. They’re only interested in agitating and disruption. Their basic aim is destruction.

Lynn was accused of something like that today (Sunday), and I think it was a bum rap.

westoast

Maybe you can grab the novacaine when nobody is looking and give your thumb a shot.

1LonesomeDove1

I do too, but he’ll suffer far more in obscurity.

Ribbey

Jes chunk im in horse trough….

1LonesomeDove1

For the last 5 years the conversation here eventually turns to religion. It always will.

westoast

Yes. If we leave it like this. This is all it can ever be. If we all decide to talk to him again he will turn up the dial til he gets to act like Hannibal Lecter on a feeding frenzy.

A_friendly_reader

I very much agree. And I think mockery whips him up into a frenzy.

The only problem is that when one or two or three people break ranks — even if they’re not feeding the beast — it makes other people weaken and more likely to start railing at him, which does become a failure for the entire organized community.

1LonesomeDove1

Mike at least comes from the direction of politics, and we need posters like him so we can refute liberal talking points. Same with eddie and Bill.

I stay out of Lynn’s controversies.

jas

How well I know!

I don’t mind. I just give ‘em room.

jas

LOL!!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!!

westoast

Jack’s wound was not self-inflicted. His Grand-daughter beat him up. Best to just make him face reality on this. She will probably get into the habit of letting loose on him whenever she is bored.

1LonesomeDove1

Oh, he’d like to think he’s Hannibal no doubt, but Hannibal’s strength was always proportionate to the participation and weakness of his victims.

This one is Pee Wee Lector unless we give him what he needs/wants.

Ribbey

Probably not being in different states and diff companies…and all

A_friendly_reader

Yeah, a total blackout would be self-reinforcing.

But I don’t think it’ll be all that easy to get James and Joe to go along, and Jack is so often insane with pain that he’s a loose cannon. Or should I say a loose Californian? Same thing, I guess.

As far as being exposed, I’ll say again that I don’t think he could care less. He’s admitted that his words are a ruse. He’s not genuinely trying to convince people of anything; he just sets up lines of abuse that will be most effective in raising temps.

His lone aim is disruption and agitation. That’s all I see, and I’ve seen no evidence for anything else.

I’d be interested in others’ feedback. Do you agree that the longer a freeze is in effect, the stronger and self-reinforcing it becomes?

1LonesomeDove1

Same here. I don’t get involved (on this thread anyway) unless I’m asked, and then I only answer the question hoping it will go no further.

A_friendly_reader

Are you suggesting a Novacaine Mutiny?

Ribbey

use gentle reminders, works for me…

A_friendly_reader

Nazi Mike has been shown to use other avatars with Swastikas and cheer on bigotry. I don’t plan to give him any breaks.

A_friendly_reader

You’re so tolerant.

1LonesomeDove1

I do agree, but I also know how tempting he is to beat up on.

Like I said…..it’s not for me to dictate to others what they can do here, and this wasn’t even my idea, but I intend to stick with it.

If it doesn’t work, well maybe we should just elect Jack as our terminator……the one delegated to take out the irrelevant trash.

Only if it doesn’t work.

A_friendly_reader

I started to wonder if such extreme measures on her part could be necessary, and then I remembered that she knows him much better than we do.

Ribbey

That’s right L D. There is nothing new under the sun..

1LonesomeDove1

I thought I was the only one who suspected that.

A_friendly_reader

Like gently pinching their thumbs?

Those are Texas tactics.

1LonesomeDove1

Trollipops think so.

A_friendly_reader

It wasn’t my idea, either. I was prepared to inundate the moderators with flags and posts, and that may yet become necessary.

But voluntary collective action is a better way to go and I support it wholeheartedly.

Jack is in his best form as a self-terminator.

Ribbey

YA THINK? ; – )

Guest

Mr. Jack, I think you are the only one with a sound mind around here and you have guts too….the “sawed off self loathing abortionist” thinks you’re weak because you’ve refused to join in with his impulsive and reckless “circle the wagons” shenanigans. The dullard mishugana-Michiganite and his idiotic controlling mechanism is merely a hasty tactical defensive maneuver and a premature ejaculated sign of defeat and capitulation. I haven’t even been born yet and I can tell he is the quintessential loser on the thread.

Ribbey

Heh Heh Heh!!!

1LonesomeDove1

It has been the idea of several people at one time or another over a 5 year period. When I first came here I suggested it and was told to butt out.
Those posters are gone now.

A_friendly_reader

You didn’t know that Toad busted him? Traced Internet providers and found a common account for Nazi Mike and one of the Nazi MiniMikes that sports a Swastika on his avatar.

That was probably a week ago.

When Toad announced it, Mike, who had dug in for extended conversation, blurted out a one-word post (I think it was one word) — “liar!” and disappeared. He’s only been back briefly since then, posting for 5 or 10 minutes before vanishing so the expose can’t be rubbed in his face.

He’s basically making the point that he’s not gone. But his Nazi Mini-Mike continues to give Valentines to Mike and Bill and others.

Toad just reaffirmed yesterday that Mr. and Mrs. Nazi Mike share the same account.

^TDO^

Jas…isn’t… the only…one.

Just…who…do…you…think…you…are…fooling?

L…O…L

^TDO^

Jerry,

A question.

Did you look up that IP Address?

A_friendly_reader

Well, I’ve been told I don’t think much if at all.

That’s pretty typical of us sawed off trumpeted homeopathic hoo has.

A_friendly_reader

They self-truncated, apparently.

1LonesomeDove1

Nope. I missed it.

A_friendly_reader

Uh oh. Better use some of that gentle persuasion on TDO.

1LonesomeDove1

You never met em, and I really can only remember one.

A_friendly_reader

What do I know from looking up an IP address? I’d know as much about looking up passages in the Quran.

westoast

Hi Tdo. Are you in on the freeze-out?

Ribbey

Wow! TDO man, how are ya fella? I was gonna email you I was beginnin to worry..nice to see ya! How’s your sweetheart holdin up? ; – )

^TDO^

I tried, Too many won’t

^TDO^

She comes home tomorrow. Other than the hospital trying to kill her, everything should be fine.

Ribbey

ROFL!!!

A_friendly_reader

Go back and see how many broke ranks last time, and who.

westoast

I’m done with the idiot. I will probably just start leaving when he is here.
He is mentally ill and I can’t watch it anymore.

Ribbey

I’m tryin just now, just hold on a sec……

^TDO^

Talking about me? I only did it after:

James, Joe, and a few others did. For the most part, all I have been doing is flagging him.

^TDO^

If we all just flagged him without explanation, I think they would wake up.

^TDO^

Heh heh heh.

westoast

I get flag shock after a while. But might as well do that.

A_friendly_reader

Why do that if you can just collapse him?

And don’t neglect a stern word to those who won’t cooperate in the remedy.

You just pleaded with Dove to stay because a retreat on his part would be a Gaga victory.

I don’t want you bugging out, because you put up with me better than almost anyone.

^TDO^

If they were to look back at his posts, there would be no need for explanation. He has NOT had an on-topic post in months. His only goal is disruption of the thread.

^TDO^

However, too much hydrogen peroxide and your clothes become threadbare.

Ribbey

That’s a real problem in hospitals. I have (had) a very good friend who was a vietnam vet. they a morphine patch on him and another nurse came in on next shift and gave him a morphine shot and it stopped his heart……well good that she’s comin home…glad to hear it..

A_friendly_reader

Well, the freeze has been working very well most of the time during the past week. Much more effective than last time.

Others can take credit — none for me. Others will also have to bear the blame if it fails.

A_friendly_reader

I started doing it in support of your strategy when you mentioned it a couple weeks ago or less and went to the extra length of posting to moderators why I was doing it.

I haven’t been flagging since the freeze came up. But I’ll do it if there’s consensus to do so.

If the freeze fails I might not.

^TDO^

He never likes to be ignored, and he never likes to have his real mental deficiencies and lack of real friendship brought up to him. Any of those three things usually drives him from the thread.

But he keeps coming back.

The only way to stop it is to bring him to the attention of H.E. and hope they warn him or something.

Guest

Well, it’s been nice to be the Premier Sunday GUEST here at “Shuga’s Corner” and I’ve enjoyed myself in the spirit of Disqus/H.E. and the freedoms and options they sanction for their registered posters. Despite certain losers and pathetic whiners Annville is a great place to visit.

I’ve counted six (6) toadies who are determined to stifle the free exchange of ideas here in pleasant little Annville. I’ve found out who the repressive “sawed off self loathing self styled abortionist” is and how desperate this psychotic megalomaniac is to keep his gaggle of sycophants in a row. Now these six (6) are as follows: the “cyber scalped” LonesomeDove, the Unfriendly_reader, 3G, Westoast, scribble and half witted Ribbey.

In my book that is NOT A QUORUM so their desperate attempts to stifle is a moot point.….namely because there are at least one hundred posters here in Annville who are NOT represented by this minority of reprobates, homophobes and resident hateful barnacles who fancy themselves exclusive to Ann Coulter’s public Forum.

I hope Mr. ShugaRay asks me back for future guest hosting….as certain folks have taken to heart my plight and I look forward to speaking with them again.

^TDO^

The only way is to flag him. I’ve said before that:

1) I don’t want to see anyone banned.
2) Bans don’t really work if you know what you are doing.
3) Get H.E. to recognize him as easily as we do and to issue a stern warning to him.

^TDO^

We…don’t…LOL.

westoast

I have started collapsing him without reading him. That way he will not hear any repeat of his words or reply from me.

A_friendly_reader

Logic tells me that he’s here for a reason, and that reason is to foment anger and disruption, which takes the form of angry posts aimed at him.

Logic tells me that if he’s frozen out then he’ll have no reason to stay long-term.

I’d like to hear from those who see it otherwise.

Bringing him to the attention of Human Events gives others the power to make changes.

A freeze gives Annville that power. And even if he didn’t go away, it wouldn’t matter that much if he were consigned to a dark alley.

I’m not opposed to flagging, but the current freeze is the first serious collective effort I’ve seen in my time here.

A_friendly_reader

So you’re not in?

Guest

I’ve concluded that you are a toady beta male WT…a follower and UnAmerican to be manipulated with such ease by the “sawed off self loather self styled abortionist.” I’m glad we were able to exchange a few posts before “sawed off” whacked you back in line with his cane.

There is still hope for you yet WT…that is if you distance yourself from “sawed off”

westoast

Here is my official position. He is dead to me. I will collapse all his comments from now on. If he says something that needs to be flagged, let me know, I will flag him. I’m not going to be a part of the problem anymore.
I don’t consider him to be just another resident of this forum. He is a sick individual.

1LonesomeDove1

Any response to him is like spittin’ in the wind anyway, cause he doesn’t have enough sanity to understand.

Guest

Mr. TDO…..don’t follow the “sawed off self loather” read my essay down the thread….Now my time as a guest host at “Shuga’s Corner” has come to an end…from the “inside” I wish your family well and know it’s going to be alright….unlike me suspended….you just hang in there.

P.S….go ahead and flag the innocent too……

1LonesomeDove1

Same here. I can see my ID at the bottom of a post of his, but I still don’t read it. It’s just scatter brained nonsense.

westoast

And I do want people to tell me when he needs to be flagged.

^TDO^

You’…re…an…idiot…LOL

A_friendly_reader

He doesn’t need to understand above a 5th grade level. He’s looking to stir up anger, and change others behavior, and attract attention. So responding to him with other than good-natured ridicule is harmful by encouraging him.

1LonesomeDove1

I can’t cause I’m not reading his gay BS.

westoast

Right on right on.

^TDO^

Jerry,

Explain to me how talking about him for the last three hours or so is ignoring him.

Ignoring him means completely. No mention of his name, no mention of his posts, no giving reasons for flagging him. That I will buy into.

But talking behind his back on an open forum is not different than responding directly to him.

Ignore him or not.

1LonesomeDove1

Most indubitably so.

;-D

westoast

There is a show on PBS right now where they are building a giant crossbow and flying machine, both designed by Leonardo DaVinci.

1LonesomeDove1

I know about those. I did a paper on DaVinci in college.

1LonesomeDove1

It’s not on my PBS at the moment.

westoast

You are right. I am okay with him getting his jollies watching this.
If it leads to a better environment here it doesn’t matter.
He has been given plenty of latitude to be a good citizen, he can’t. Not even for a day.

1LonesomeDove1

There can’t be any agreement if he’s not first discussed.

A_friendly_reader

I won’t do it. If the freeze breaks, I’ll probably continue to ignore him, but no more unilateral stuff. Only collective action where people are serious.

A_friendly_reader

I glance at the short ones to see if there’s anything new, and I haven’t seen any.

westoast

I’m completely ready to move on. In the future I may tell people how nice my life is with my new rules. I don’t think it matters what anyone else does.

^♠^

Cogito Ergo Sum

Ribbey

I THINK THEREFORE I AM! Good Morning 4! How are ya fella? Beautiful Day!

Ribbey

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI

Anonymous

Puto ego potest

Puto ego potest

Puto ego potest

Ribbey

Being annoyed is voluntary,you are free to be as annoyed as you like, does’nt affect me one way or the other.Was that your purpose? heh Heh!

westoast

Who put the carp in the carpe diem?
Who put the ven in the veni vici vici?

Ribbey

Tutti a tavola a mangiare!

OKCorral

Greetings from the OKCorral:
It would appear that we have some philosophers on board this morning quoting good old Rene Descartes. Now I was never much for metaphysical thinking and I slept through most of my Philosophy classes but I think if you are going to settle on Rene’s “Cogito Ergo Sum” then you need also consider the second meditation “sum res cogitans” and that one is very knotty. Essentially Descartes is saying that he is a thing that thinks. The epistemological consideration is defined as “whatever else I may be, I know only that I am a thing that thinks”. Now then pardner, wrap your head around that and you are well on your way to a serious headache or a membership in a yoga club. Just saying….
Old Gringo Ralph

Good Morning to all and especially to Lynn Long who is shining this morning with his sunshine personality. No I mean that. Lynn is my friend, he just does not know it yet.

It is good to have Lynn back as all agree, even if he is a grump …..but somedays he will roll you with his humor…just wait for it.

Have to start everything it is 8 this morning warming up …see you all later.

Anonymous

Yep Soap, good old days…Everyone (especially Joe) is hollering at him and he’s hollering right back. Deja vu all over again.

Ribbey

Don’t like my dogmatism eh? .

Ribbey

YAWN….

Ribbey

Those who don’t learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them…

planeboy

Reagens 101st today..So… “Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”—Remarks at a business conference, Los Angeles, March 2, 1977

Anonymous

Miss riblady, you completely misunderstand me and my intentions. Your illiberality is yours and yours alone and fits perfectly to your path, as does mine; I would never presume to dictate you or anyone else’s method of commutation.

Ribbey

COME TO THE TABLE TO EAT! TOAST TOAST!-TUTTI A TAVOLA A MANGIARE!CHING CHING!

I don’t know what the hell I just said but it sure looks good. Latin, I do. Not so bueno con castelian.
Too early in my day for this crap. Buenos dias senora.
Old Gringo Ralph

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

As you often illustrate.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

R O A R

Anonymous

Hey Ralph, Catholic Theological Philosophy is a hobby of mine and I’m a lifetime student of the interrelation between mathematics and metaphysics (ala Hobbes) with strong emphasis on the the calculus of harmonics. In case you didn’t already guess, yep, I be a Chaos Theorist. Your comments re Descartes were greatly appreciated by me.

Ribbey

“people are often unreasonable,illogical and self centered;forgive them anyway. If you are kind,people may accuse you of selfish,ulterior motives;be kind anyway. If you are honest and frank,people may cheat you;be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building,someone could destroy overnight;build it anyway.If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;BE HAPPY ANYWAY. The good you do today,people will often forget tomorrow;do good anyway. Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough;give the world the best you’ve got anyway. You see, in the final analysis it is between you and God; it was NEVER between you and them anyway.”

Anonymous

Hiya geezer.

Ribbey

CLICK COLLAPSE

Ribbey

CLICK COLLAPSE

Anonymous

absolvo

Ribbey

“sweetie”

Ribbey

Iza jes playin wid ya! Great to see ya!!! ROFL!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Mother Theresa,,,, I assume.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O33RM4LOJKOKP3LEWHQYFC5M3E Lynn Long

Grunts

Guest

CLICK….GFY….LOL

Ribbey

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planeboy

Well their at it again… http://weaselzippers .us/2012/02/06/love-the-constitution-hate-government-regulations-new-dhs-lexicon-brands-you-a-militia-extremist/ c/p remove space before .us these people want us in jail I guess…