Age could be a factor, but I've no doubt she'll run. She's stepping down as SoS in Obama's next term, which means four years for two incredibly popular politicians (Hillary and Bill) to build a campaign with Obama as a surrogate.

And, let's face it, it would be highly unlikely that Bill Clinton would have stumped so hard for Obama without the likelihood of a Hillary run following four years later. The Clinton machine did all it could to ensure his victory, and that will require payback in 2016. Their political fates, in simple terms, are inextricably linked.

I love how Biden isn't even considered. It won't be a Bush running. They are still trying to get out of the G W Bush shadow so I think it would be silly for the Republicans to just give up with Jeb. Try Marco Rubio.

janieblack wrote:OP should be banned for starting the 2016 campaign discussion. Jeez, can't we recover from 2012 for a bit?

No kidding.

But whoever it is for the D's, they'll be running against Mitt. He gets closer to winning the Presidency every time he runs. I think he just might be able to pull it off in '16. The Republicans would be foolish not to let this iron clad trend run it's course.

I know he changes his mind frequently - or rather, he's capable of holding several positions concurrently - but Romney has already said he's never running again. Interestingly, we could also see Clinton v Cuomo repeated.

judik wrote:This election took its toll on Ann Romney and I think that's a deal breakerFor all his flipflopping I believe his love of Ann is real

But really, we need to give it a rest

Why, the Mormon is now out of bounds?

While he was away, Ann Davies had converted to the Mormon faith and had begun attending Brigham Young University (BYU). Mitt was nervous that she had been wooed by others while he was away, and she had indeed started dating popular campus figure Kim S. Cameron and had sent Romney in France a "Dear John letter", greatly upsetting him; he wrote to her in an attempt to win her back. At their first meeting following Romney's return, they reconnected and decided to get married immediately, but subsequently agreed to wait three months to appease their parents. At Ann's request, Romney began attending Brigham Young, in February 1969

This was from his wikipedia page in August. I write was because the page has since been edited. I guess Mitt being nervous about Ann, then her greatly upsetting him, didn't sound presidential.

His love of Ann may be real. That'd be one thing that's real.

Your idea that HRC be a Supreme is brilliant. I hope to see it, and wonder if Ginsberg would approve.

I used to feel empathy for the poor. Now I just want them all to die. - ScottBaio
You will die like a dog for no good reason. - HemingwayMy efforts here are wasted - wilz

Dagny wrote:Has Hillary said that she is retiring from politics. Just read that. She is 65 and does seem tired lately.

Bill two months ago:

"I don't know what she's gonna do," Clinton claimed. "I don't think she knows what she's gonna do. ... She says no. But I know how bone-tired you can get, you know ... She had eight years in the White House, then she had these six years in the Senate, then she had fours years of secretary of state. It's been a long 20 years."

It's not a "no", but the age issue could be a problem. She'd be just behind Reagan as the oldest President at an inauguration.

From my experience, the very reason why the GOP likes him is the same as to why it won’t play in the Latin community, he’s perceived as an angry, entitled white man that happens to speak Spanish and has a darker complexion. Cubans in exile living in America are not well received and don’t score points with most other Latins. It may give the GOP Florida which was pretty irrelevant in this past election

for a party that has a 50% gap in Latinos, beggers can't be too choosy.....

of course, as Romney find out, presidential candidate can still be dragged down by crazy comments from other nutjob candidates of the same party, so having Rubio on the ticket doesn't mean Santorum/Ginrich/random teabagger won't be spouting off anti-immigrant stuff....

From my experience, the very reason why the GOP likes him is the same as to why it won’t play in the Latin community, he’s perceived as an angry, entitled white man that happens to speak Spanish and has a darker complexion. Cubans in exile living in America are not well received and don’t score points with most other Latins. It may give the GOP Florida which was pretty irrelevant in this past election

Minorities savage most conservative minority Republicans so who cares. Every balck or Hispanics is "really" a white and entitled. I'd like some less creepy this time. I don't care race.

Dagny wrote:Minorities savage most conservative minority Republicans so who cares. Every balck or Hispanics is "really" a white and entitled. I'd like some less creepy this time. I don't care race.

I’m glad you are so colorblind but this would be a token move for the GOP as his name is most often now brought up in the context of getting the Latin vote

The Latin vote is one on the most fluid and if the GOP would get off their anti-socialist soap box they could easily pick up a lot of Latins on social issues. Many Latins, due to their catholic heritage are socially conservative but also because of their catholic heritage have a greater sense of community to help the greater good of the community through reasonable social safety nets

Republicans would know this if they actually mixed more with others

Be interesting to see if Rubio would pick up more new Latin votes for the GOP than he would lose from the GOP by being a Latin

What is the GOP if it’s not the party of the entitled, white, angry men and their cowed wives that are too afraid to remove the political burkas imposed by their husbands and vote in their own best interest?

I’ll tell you what it is; nothing !!!

So far, all the Republican soul searching shows they are still missing the point

We are stuck with a GOP house until at least the 2020 census due to their gerrymandering district in 2010 – so they’ll never really get how unpopular they really are and do whats needed to fix it

Dagny wrote:Minorities savage most conservative minority Republicans so who cares. Every black or Hispanics is "really" a white and entitled. I'd like some less creepy this time. I don't care race.

as opposed to Bill O'Reilly bitching about white people are now the minority and Obama got elected because his supporters "expect stuff"

Black americans arent going to trust some black republican candidate who fronts for a party where a significant minority dislike them and call them lazy moochers or worse. You either question that candidate's judgement (Cain) or whether they are playing the uncle tom game (Rice). It's a little different for Hispanics but again they arent going to vote enmass for some party that thinks it is fine to harrass them under the umbrella of stopping illegal immigration.

Condi Rice and Colin Powell are smart enough to know that they won't get more minority votes than the cracker votes lost if they enter as the GOP presidential candidate.

Having a minority faace would help, but it's really the policies that matter to the voters. Having every candidates in the primaries trying to outdo each other to deport the illegals WILL always result a big gap in Latino votes come general election time. It's not really that complicated....

Best example of GOP tokenism? When they carpet-bagged Alan Keyes into the IL senate race against Obama, only because he was black. It was an appallingly tone-deaf move on their part. Same with Sarah Palin as a VP candidate - they thought a woman would pull in the Hillary voters, because they have the same reproductive system. The GOP can't overcome their record of policies that negatively affect minorities, and their outright demonization of them during the campaigns.

edited because I some words.

As an adult, the beer aisle at the grocery makes me feel exactly like the cereal aisle made me feel as a kid.

The Latino community is pretty diverse Leave it to the GOP to think that anyone with a vaguely sounding latino name is going to fit the billThere is no love lost between people of mexican descent and cubans for exampleOne thing that has come out in this election is that who the candidate is matters

Rubio seems nice enough,though

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.

2wilzgood wrote:Ginsberg retires at the end of this term, HRClinton is an easy choice and breezily confirmed by the Senate.

She'd be sixty-six years old, younger than three or four of the others, and maintain three women on the SCOTUS.

She could affect law for twelve years and still retire at a younger age than will Ginsberg.

The SCOTUS is MUCH less of a grind than the presidency.

The only really difficult part being in the same room with Scalia, Thomas...

Y'all don't have a link to that 'discounted herself from being appointed', do you?

Not a direct quote from Hillary, but I think this makes it as good as done. As for keeping a third of justices as women, there are several other prospects, including Jacqueline Hong-Ngoc Nguyen and Kamala Harris.