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I like these games but I don't worship them. I recently tried to get into torment, it was impossible due to the clunky controls and unrecognizable graphics. It's not really snobbish to be that way, what we'll put up with always has to do with what's available, supply and demand.

I'm old, and I've played all the greats not just from the PC world, but the console world that is so greatly snubbed here such as dragon warrior, ff 1-6, suikoden 1-5, arc the lad, grandia, on and on.

Yet, despite this, Im proud of the fact that I found even more enjoyment from the PS3 rpgs like Fallout 3, F3 New Vegas, Skyrim, Oblivion, Borderlands 1 and 2, the Asscreed games (which are fairly rpg'ish despite lack of char progression), Mass effect trilogy (admittedly the first one wasn't on it till later and I played it on PC), Dragon Age, and yes Dragon Age 2 was good too. Fourteen games I was able to rattle off the top of my head.

Not going to account for my gf's taste, which consists mostly of disgaea games. She like many other gamers of our generation are fixated on the 16-bit through ps2 era. It's mostly nostalgia. Kids are growing up today who will try these games and think meh, they will play the ever hated Diablo 3 while they are young and that game will be their favorite of all time. I find it sad that we can't set aside sentimentality and enjoy what's put in front of us properly. It's like longing for the girl that got away while you have a wife right there who loves you.

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This game, and its predecessor, are still installed on an active computer. In fact, I always keep one computer alive that still runs Windows 98, just for these games, the original XCom, and he old Gold Box D&D games. I don't see how anyone who played this game all the way through when it originally came out can look at a $25 price tag and think that's too high, especially if he or she doesn't still have the CDs in a box, somewhere.

What I am always struck by is how old this game actually is. How many folks do you suppose are working at Bioware right now simply on the basis of playing this game, or the one before it, and thinking, "I want to do THIS when I grow up!"

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Originally posted by Hrimnir

Has the entire gamer generation turned into a bunch of cheapasses?

How in the world could someone claim this is not worth $25 and then turn around and spend $60 on some tripe like diablo 3? Or Mass Effect 1-3. Most single player games nowadays have AT BEST 15 hours of singe player game time, 25 if you really milk it. BG2+Throne of Bhaal was over 200 hours, even for enthusiasts.

Oh, but you say you can get it on GOG for $10!!!!. Well, prepare to spend many hours dealing with random bugs, incompatibilities, etc. Lets also not forget that its not formatted for modern computers, etc.

So, the real cost here is $15. Think about that next time you buy lunch at California Pizza Kitchen or some other restaurant and you will realize that its not at all a lot of money.

GoG games are compatible versions of classic games on modern computers. I don't think you really understand what GoG does. Their versions of BG 1 and 2 work fine for most people.

Compare this with the EE editions that have introduced all new bugs that never existed previously, the patching from Beamdog to fix said bugs is taking ages. Just before BG2 EE released they just about got BG1 in a working non-glitchy state with a huge patch.

People aren't being, 'cheap', it's really a case of common sense. Do you pay $10 for a working version of a title or pay $15 bucks more for an, 'enhanced', edition that can barely claim to be that?

To be fair BG2 EE seems to be a bit better in terms of stability but the argument is still valid and it's why some people think what Beamdog is offering is a few steps away from being a scam.

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It's a relic of a time when storytelling, writing, and mechanics had to fit together properly. Utilizing a mangled version of the AD&D ruleset, combat is a matter of stop-start tactics, ordering hamster-toting barbarians into battles and demanding a snooty druid take on clerical duties. It's a game that can be played your way, and one that never stops trying to immerse you into its deep and engrossing world.

*hangs head*....Boo...He thinks us a barbarian.....*sighs*

And just to be the old man on the porch.......

You think Bioware knew what they were doing with BG.......I got threee letters for ya kiddo.....

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While all the Baldur's Gate games were great for their time, there are much better games out there today. Why spend time on an old game when there are so many better new games? Getting hard to allocate times to what I want to play and there is always something new coming out.

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Originally posted by Ziegler

It's a relic of a time when storytelling, writing, and mechanics had to fit together properly. Utilizing a mangled version of the AD&D ruleset, combat is a matter of stop-start tactics, ordering hamster-toting barbarians into battles and demanding a snooty druid take on clerical duties. It's a game that can be played your way, and one that never stops trying to immerse you into its deep and engrossing world.

*hangs head*....Boo...He thinks us a barbarian.....*sighs*

And just to be the old man on the porch.......

You think Bioware knew what they were doing with BG.......I got threee letters for ya kiddo.....

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Yeah, google that there on up sonny....*old guy harumph*

Still waiting for a remake of ANY goldbox game.

Unlike the Bioware games, they're considered freeware as the original SSI studios went belly-up, so there's not even a licensing issue to contend with.

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

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so.... Enhanced Edition?.... the only Enhancement i care about in any classic game with archaic point and click controls are the addition of WASD (or controller) support. If they dont add it, i wont miss the game.

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This game has taught me that graphics mean f**k all. That said, the graphics are not that bad.

This game succeeds in its immersion. Your conversation choices really allow you to play out alignments in a believable way. Whoever wrote them is pure genius. Ive yet to play a Modern RPG that has as believable and geniune characters and narratives. That reveal unexpected twists and plots as believably as BG2.

I recommend this, BG1, ID & ID2 to all looking to appease themselves during this MMO darkage were experiencing. Ive played and completed all titles numerous times since I was 12 and I STILL find myself going back years later. Each time the experience is as unique as the last.

That said there are some absolute diamond RPG's from the old age of gaming, I'd also recommend delving back to the out Fallout 2, Fallout: Tactics, Planescape: Torment, Arcanum Steamworks.