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You know at least one of them will. It would probably be inappropriate here because Washington was famously opposed to political parties. The Fox News host delivers the worst "well, actually" postscript ever to Michelle Obama's inspiring DNC speech posted by homunculus at I kind of hope it's Obama, so that he can break out the "don't boo, vote!

I think we could well see him speak at every Democratic convention for decades to come much like Bill Clinton, who has spoken at every one since unless he somehow gets on the Supreme Court.

Gain one point every time you experience a spasm of cognitive dissonance! The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President of the United States a man who got his big break in politics by claiming that a black man, the President of the United States, was literally un-American, and must have been born in Kenya, and that there must be a massive conspiracy to claim otherwise. He claimed to have sent a team of investigators to Hawaii; they have not been heard from since.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in a primary debate, bragged about meeting and getting along with Vladimir Putin, but who is now responding to allegations of pro-Russian bias by saying he never met Putin. The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President of the United States a man who has now publicly asked a foreign power to spy on his electoral rival. The Republican Party has nominated a man who claims that man-made climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese to undermine American workers.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who was recorded speaking to journalists on the phone and repeatedly pretending to be his own, fictional spokesperson. He later admitted to this under oath, but subsequently denied it. Whether it goes in or doesn't go in, I wouldn't care. If it goes in, great. If it doesn't go in, great. And that his wife was ugly. The Republican Party has nominated for President a man who has never served in public office or the military, but was willing to imply that a U.

This item is your brief respite from cognitive dissonance, enjoy it! He claims to have donated many millions of dollars to charity in recent years, but declines to provide evidence. The Republican Party has nominated a man who, at one of his political rallies, performed a mocking impression of a physically disabled journalist.

He later implied that the moderator must have been menstruating. The Republican Party has nominated a man whose most prominent policy proposal is to somehow compel Mexico into paying for a wall between Mexico and the United States.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who, without medical training, is nonetheless an outspoken critic of vaccinations. The Republican Party has nominated as President of the United States a man who suggested in a TV interview that Japan should develop its own nuclear weapons. The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President a man who has been blacklisted by all major U.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in an official primary debate, implied that he has a large penis. Regardless of the volume and severity of their past criticism, nearly all Republican politicians now say that they support and will vote for Donald Trump for President of the United States.

Senator Grassley is up for re-election this year. The Republican Party has nominated a man who regularly refers to the senior U. The Republican Party has nominated a man who gave a primary victory speech next to a pile of beef which he had purchased, claiming it to be from the defunct, unsuccessful Trump Steaks brand, as if that brand still existed.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who wants to reinstate torture, and go further this time. The Republican Party has nominated a man who wants to purposely target the family members of terrorists. The Republican Party has nominated a man who proposed punishing women who get abortions. The Republican Party has nominated a man who has maintained his inherited wealth often by hiring contractors and then refusing to pay them, and whose businesses went bankrupt four times.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who told a lawyer who requested a break from a deposition to pump breast milk, "You're disgusting". The Republican Party has nominated a man who avoided serving in Vietnam, but referred to avoiding STDs from casual sex as his "personal Vietnam". The Republican Party has nominated a man who says that people in a dark, noisy drinking establishment in Florida should have been carrying guns at their waist or ankle.

The Republican Party has nominated a man who said that Mexican immigrants, generally speaking, are criminals and rapists. But that some of them are, presumably, good people. This is all actually happening! Another highlight from yesterday: Born before all women could vote, Prescott woman, , reports AZ delegates for Clinton. Is this combo just thrown in like a caltrop to confuse Trump tomorrow?

Ugh, I have to physically go into work today. Like, I need to haul my entire body down to the office and also have pants on it too and interact directly with humans face to face ugggghhhh yyyyytho. Thank you for keeping me sane through this ghastly election, Metafilter. See you on my phone inbetween moments of actual work later today! Eleanor Holmes Norton vs. Stephen Colbert posted by the painkiller at Relevant It's Always Sunnies for people looking to get in the mood: Still Hot All episodes available in full on Netflix or through skeevy black market dealings.

Now a decade old! The show is kind of the anti- South Park in that it overtly claims to be nihilistic and not give a shit, but is shockingly politically aware and progressive.

Here's a delightful photo of the cast dressed for LA Pride. Oh lord she's so happy. Wait, is somebody already cutting onions? Sneak preview of Biden's speech. Well now I'm drunk and I haven't even had any alcohol yet going back to looking at adam scott gifs now posted by tivalasvegas at I totally did not expect to see a "You can pee next to me" shirt in that context and that is really fucking cool.

At this point, every time Treasonous Trump opens his mouth, he's going to lose a fraction of a percent in the polls. If Gary Johnson picks up half of them from the "Never Hillary" crowd, it can only help Clinton as well as position the Libertards as replacements for the Rethuglicans. For anyone who hasn't been following darth on Twitter, they've been posting a hilarious string of tweets ever since the GOP convention. I am so sleep deprived and headachy from the crying it isn't funny.

I'm pretty sure my family is already tired of me pumping my fists in victory and yelling at the TV. And tonight I won't get to tune in until 7: I am so glad that the Mothers of the Movement video includes the preroll video of that first meeting. I guess Friday I'll have to have a YouTube binge. One thing I appreciate this week is how polished and confident the non-professional speakers are: Last week, it was like they picked up the avocado farmer and other random speakers and plunked her on stage and national television without any preparation besides whatever feedback her bathroom mirror provided.

This week, the speeches are still honest and clear, but it's also obvious that professionals helped them with the text and worked to get them comfortable speaking on stage. Look, God knows that program was awful, I had to sit through it in real time. But it's not like the RNC program didn't also have astronauts, mothers, senators, soldiers, etc.

The thing that made that program horrifying was not that people up there hadn't done enough for their country - the thing that made the RNC program horrifying is that most of the people up there - many with a long career of public service- had despite that, prostituted themselves for an orange bigot.

Kabaddi Champ, did you type that astonishing list all up yourself? Seeing it all in one place is like those photographs of a week's worth of an American family's food intake compared to other countries' diets. I have met her several times in the past and have been impressed by her intellect, her judgment, and her compassion. That was not her doing. She tried to protect her family as best she could.

The media abandoned their code of silence about presidential privacy when Bill Clinton was president.

God knows, there are plenty of members of Congress and governors in both parties who would not want their private lives revealed in the news. I don't know why, but somehow that really humanizes the guy for me posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at My 4-yo covered her ears and started crying the other day when I turned on the news to watch the convention Monday. It was throwing a fit because she didn't get her way but the other part of me was like "I get it, kid.

But can we all agree right now that tomorrow's title has to be "Include Women in the Sequel"? I was excited to see Garry Shandling playing Bernie's bro, sad to remember the Garry passed away, shocked by how similar Larry Sanders looks to Garry, touched by the real Larry's speech and very, very happy to see Bernie nominate Hillary.

Quite the range of emotions for 6 minutes of YouTube video. How the republicans can not hang their heads in shame after their convention is beyond me, this just highlights it even more to me. Nothing can go wrong, because it's not really an AMA.

You need to be subscribed to the pro-Trump subreddit, questions will be pre-screened, and denizens there are openly plotting and organizing to downvote any critical or negative questions.

Don't jinx our balloon drop yet. Anyone remember this thread on the Blue about Russian groups paid to troll social media, spreading misinformation? The author of the linked article says the groups appear to be working on behalf of Trump now: And I check on it once in a while, still. And a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives. I don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about Donald Trump and stuff.

Did corb or Cracked explain that one yet? Does somebody here have a grip on why polling looks so even? Something about polling demographics and technologies this cycle? I can't believe it, given the abandonment of Trump by so many important republicans, and the general demographic shifts in the country. How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump Seriously though do they not run headlines past a panel of year-old boys or year-old gay men I guess for innuendo checks before posting posted by tivalasvegas at 1: The balloons are withher posted by beerperson at 1: Everyone's Grandma celebrating last night posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1: There were some, yes, but honestly the schedules are worlds apart.

The RNC did have an astronaut, yes, except she refused to endorse Trump on stage despite having such an endorsement in her prepared remarks. A good chunk of Congress refused to show up, with many claiming they were "too busy" and Sen.

Sasse saying he planned to go "watch some dumpster fires" instead. Rubio would only appear by video, and Cruz showed up to, well, not exactly endorse Trump. Their big celebrity was Scott Baio, who soon before the convention retweeted an image effectively calling Hillary something incredibly offensive. The lead-in speaker to Ivanka and Donald was a real estate developer who rambled on about a hotel deal he once did with Trump. And there were numerous segments that consisted of Trump employees telling us how great their boss is, along with long bits of musical filler.

It was an incredibly weak schedule last week. Compare that to just a short bit of tonight: Biden, Kaine, and Obama. The contrast is obvious. There are nobody in Europe who are not aware by now how big of an idiot Trump has made of himself so far.

How can you live in the US and miss it? Seriously though do they not run headlines past a panel of year-old boys or year-old gay men I guess for innuendo checks before posting The Washington Post knows clickbait when they see it and they are nowhere near too proud to exploit it.

You've established a completely justifiable premise for kink-shaming. In case anyone missed it: I just went and bought some buttons this morning. I've been super busy, but the DNC has been doing a good job so far at restoring my faith in humanity, which after the RNC was somewhat lacking.

I'm hoping to actually watch a bit of tonight live. The Washington Post knows clickbait when they see it and they are nowhere near too proud to exploit it.

Well I clicked so good job WaPo I guess posted by tivalasvegas at 1: The criteria I outlined were prestige, honor, and service to the nation. You're free to measure those however you like, but I stand by my statement, especially once the dishonor of supporting the fascist yam is accounted for. Don't get me wrong -- it's not that there weren't prestigious, honorable Republicans available, it's that so many of them refused to show up that the program really was full of a bunch of lightweights, with some actual heroes and dedicated public servants mixed in.

I said that, and I don't even know why. It used to be "Trumpmas! Krampus-like, if Krampus was an incompetent buffoon. You remember that Seinfeld episode where George realized that his instincts were incredibly poor, and that success lay in him doing the opposite?

Trump is kind of like that. Except I don't think his instincts are poor; they are just counter-intuitive for a great many of us.

For Trump, success seems to lie in doing the opposite of what the instincts of everyone else would be. He said some bizarre, weird things today?

The end result is the news media is having a field day covering him; not last night. His comments will keep his news coverage on par with the coverage of the DNC tonight.

And from Trump's perspective, that's a win - his name is out there, and that is all that matters. Because whatever he does, it sure never seems to chip into his base of support - worst case scenario is that he doesn't gain anybody new, best case is that he picks up a few voters he didn't have before.

He's the living embodiment of the idea that there is no such thing as bad press. I loved how John Oliver described the RNC balloon drop as "an almost sarcastic amount of balloons" https: The DNC fight song OK, I'm all on board with that message, and mostly the song was well-executed. But I don't think you should use "dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" as a bassline unless you're doing it intentionally.

But it's a crazy view into another, strange universe. They call themselves centipedes, they're convinced that James Comey, the director of the FBI, did not recommend charges against HRC because he was afraid she would have him killed as if the director of the fbi didn't command an army of armed and loyal factotums , they like what Trump said about Russia and the emails, they call everyone who doesn't like trump a cuck, and so on.

Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean. Anyway, that's where the AMA is happening so Why I'm voting for Trump and You should too posted by mfu at 1: They call themselves centipedes, The jokes write themselves. I don't even know what's real.

They call themselves centipedes But they're humans tho right posted by beerperson at 1: It's no exaggeration to say that, if elected, Donald Trump would be the least qualified, least vetted, least tested person ever to become POTUS. Presidents who'd never previously held elective office Eisenhower - former general, US Army Hoover - former sec. Arthur had previously held an un-earned gentleman's commission as a non-combat brigadier general during the US Civil War for about a year , and then various political patronage appointments as a member of the New York Republican political machine.

Said machine made him Garfield's running mate; he rose to the presidency a few months later when Garfield succumbed to his wounds following an assassination attempt by a disgruntled office seeker -- part of the same patronage system that got Arthur where he was. All of these men spent some part of their careers answerable to the people and the Constitution of the United States of America before becoming president.

It has to do with a clip from an old nature documentary voiceover describing a centipede as "a nimble navigator" which somebody thought to put over Trump speech clips and somehow turn into a meme. Try not to think about it too hard; the logic is just alien. One time, I was in a laundromat, having a conversation with some other folks there to kill the time. All three of the other people there said, sincerely, they thought it was an inside job.

Hearing how many people liked the DNC fight song gives me kinda the same feeling. And enjoy watching it. I know it was grade-A pandering to the choir, but the fight song makes me happy in a hopeful way that haven't I felt at any point during the run-up to the election, and also I got goosebumps when Adele Dazeem hit that high note. She remembered the gavel! I just wonder whether Trump encouraging Russia to spy on the US might not be a bridge too far for some of Trump's older supporters. I am not even 50, and I remember vividly back when Russia was The Enemy.

Or will they make it a case of always having been at war with Eastasia? I understand the story, I know the facts, and it's still so far from sense that I don't understand. By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines If the intelligence community has indeed ascertained that Russia is to blame, our government needs to decide what to do in response. This is difficult because the attacks are politically partisan, but it is essential.

Retaliation is politically fraught and could have serious consequences, but this is an attack against our democracy. We need to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin in some way — politically, economically or in cyberspace — and make it clear that we will not tolerate this kind of interference by any government.

Even more important, we need to secure our election systems before autumn. Decoding the Language of Trump Supporters posted by prize bull octorok at 1: It's more like we keep on being confused on what moves he's making because we are like "no that is a horrible move" but the thing is he's not playing chess, just checkers with chess pieces early in the campaign somebody made a pro-Trump video which was footage of a nature documentary of centipedes killing prey set to dubstep I'm not sure that explains anything has as much explanatory power as anything else I guess posted by tivalasvegas at 1: I've got some bad news for you about what a human centipede actually is.

This makes zero sense to me. Also much of the electorate is just flat out uninformed. Time and column inches are limited, so most major news outlets tend to settle on a few early front-runners and devote most of the coverage to them. If surprise candidates do well early on, then they get the "dark horse" treatment that could reinforce the surprise candidates for a little while, but it has been rare for a true dark-horse candidate to secure a major party nomination.

By virtue of fame, notoriety, and his big mouth, Trump got a lot more coverage than an equivalent, non-Trump candidate would have, which granted legitimacy to his campaign and created a perverted positive feedback loop. I realize that on the lengthy list of comparisons that favor Obama over Trump, 'had the guts and the wherewithal to actually do an AMA on Reddit' versus 'lying about doing an AMA and instead staging a fake one for PR' is far, far down towards the bottom of the list, in terms of importance to their ability to hold office.

But it's so perfectly emblematic of Trump's candidacy, as a whole -- precisely because it's so wildly unimportant -- that he, of the Twitter braggadocio and opposition to 'political correctness' and safe spaces, is apparently unwilling to actually take un-screened questions from real people and instead prefers to stage-manage a simulacra of an AMA.

The Republican Party has nominated Now that's the kind of outfit you wear to sing the National Anthem! It's more like we keep on being confused on what moves he's making because we are like "no that is a horrible move" but the thing is he's not playing chess, just checkers with chess pieces Is he?

Or is he playing gin rummy with checker pieces instead of cards? Is it PR if no one cares? I'm trying to picture the nightmare that would be explaining that concept to anyone I know off the innertubes and failing, even before you get to the centipedes part of the explanation. He done good though! That high note was lovely.

I am soooo excited about Obama's speech it's crazy. God damnit, those fucking horrible Diebold voting machines. And here I was hoping to not be drunk before the end of the work day. This is going to be a hard, hard push for a contested election, something that Trump can use to drag down the effectiveness of a Hillary Presidency because she "stole it" posted by mrzarquon at 1: Now I'm picturing my elderly aunts fleeing in horror with their tiny manicured hands raised in appeal to the heavens for god's protection from electronic centipedes.

Can we not with the internet diagnoses? Using crazy as a shorthand for dismissing people's opinions is really not cool. What are people shouting? It sounds a bit like roll call? Would anyone outside of the internets even understand what an AMA is?

That's why I find it so interesting -- surely it would have been easier to just go and do an actual AMA? Why go through these extra hoops? It's not as though he seems to put a lot of thought into answering questions at, say, press conferences witness today. No distinct chorus of nays for Tim Kaine. I thought Busters were hanging their hats on this last bit of business.

Bernie delegates crying out "roll call" regarding the VP nom. Some might, but mostly they don't want Tim Kaine. Yes that was people chanting roll call even though there was only one name nominated for VP. By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines I was stunned at how btlasé some people in the last thread were about the very likely possibility that a foreign government was actively interfering in our elections.

OK, there's one decent thing. There is like zero chance that The Donald's hackers can out-hack Hillary Clinton's hackers especially now that she's tot Bernie's hackers on her side. I'll put cash money on Hillary if someone is stupid enough to give me theirs To be clear, they needed signatures apparently to put another name in nomination.

They didn't bother to do that or couldn't get the signatures , but wanted a roll call vote anyway? The claim here from Schneier is that Russian intelligence might have an interest in hacking the voting machines. Russian hacker is best hacker. Granted, we just got done with the loud protests over an apparent failure to issue VP nomination forms.

All in all, it seems like the organizers' to keep things going smoothly are having the opposite effect. Remember campers, if you can't out rat-fuck your opponent, you don't deserve to win!

Donald is an amateur. He's won the contest to lose to Hillary Clinton in Good career move for someone who isn't a politician. I've seen this movie and we're going to need more burgundy leather dusters posted by beerperson at 1: There were claims yesterday that the DNC refused to accept the signatures and ignored them.

And I guess if you don't have talent in house, that's what you have to do. Look what his in-house speechwriters delivered Help me, my partner is watching another Trump speech happening now where Trump just said, because of the DNC, "Carson never had a chance". Time to leave the house! Fox don't judge me I peek at everything Fox? You don't get judged for Fox News.

You don't get judged for looking outside the liberal infosphere. Here's the Trump centipede video. It mixes "Centipede" by Knife Party with Trump soundbites and clips.

Though having watched this I'm not anything has been clarified. There's a little-known DNC bylaw which the Busters hope to exploit in which if they successfully nominate for VP the name 'Sernie Banders' then Clinton has no choice but to let Sanders lead the ticket posted by beerperson at 1: We're through the looking glass here, people!

Journalist a woman asks Trump if it's inappropriate to ask Russia or hackers to release emails. The National popular vote needs to be a blow out. If the blowout is big enough and the polls are all clustered in a range, then fuckery with the vote will be exposed as an impossible outlier. When elections are close and polls are all over the place then vote manipulation can happen.

We have to blow this out. Actually, they all go together perfectly well. As strange as Trump has been over the past months and he has been amazingly strange , is it just me or has he actually gotten stranger over the last couple of weeks? Here's the Trump centipede video yt I made about 40 seconds of over 7 minutes before bailing. This is the best proof I've ever seen that Andy Kaufman is still alive and punking all of us bitches.

President Putin, great president or greatest president? If you're suggesting she has the NSA on her side yeah they can probably hang, which is probably the only time you'd catch me saying good for the NSA.

I can't wait to get home and fire this up. I hadn't looked at the lineups for Monday and Tuesday before I watched them, but I did look at today's. This is gonna be a big fucking night. Well, someone in a recent thread speculated that once he got his security briefing, he'd do everything he could to NOT win the presidency. This Russia stuff seems to fit that theory. This bit of Trump-related news made me happy today: Maybe, but this most recent stuff is like the big speech scene in the sci-fi movie where the villain makes a weird gurgling cough and throws off his human disguise to reveal that he is actually a sentient yeast mold from a failed US Cold War Jello warfare experiment.

Yes, and it's just going to get worse. At some point he may actually lose a few votes. Eleanor Holmes Norton is up now! What was Lenin's line about being invested with dictatorial power? It makes one's head spin? He had a party affirming that he won, and he shut down the never trumpers and quashed all the opposition in the GOP. They're all paying attention to his whims. His head is spinning.

Let me say I do not believe any of the "establishment" would ever be involved in this kind of digital ratfucking. I love this woman. That, plus the bath salts posted by beerperson at 1: Now sit up and pay attention. Elizabeth Holmes Norton who you might remember for her legendary appearance on The Colbert Report back in Think "disgruntled ex-Diebold employees" posted by mikelieman at 1: I think people don't know that the DC Statehood movement is about spending our own local tax dollars freely.

My father is a conservative Republican who Metafilter would hate and who thinks DC Statehood would be a unconstitutional and even he was surprised by that. I love the DC Statehood movement. I hope it follows for the rest of our territories. Ok he mentioned ISIS. Will the GOP shut up now? Julian Assange is, like, totally neutral on this election, you guys.

My biggest fear is the next round of leaks. We know the Russians hacked the Clinton Foundation too. Once the source was established as bonafide, I'd release a second round with mostly legitimate emails and some carefully manufactured fakes to stir up more discord and conspiracy theories.

It wouldn't even matter if it was later determined to be fake, the damage would be done. I know that sounds very conspiracy theory-esque, but we're living in a world where the FSB drilled a hole into a lab to pass fake urine for Olympic doping tests, so it's not too unrealistic. Second most highly voted AMA question for Trump: The hospitals receive a tax break yearly when they select minorities.

There are over 10, doctors a year that are shut out of residency programs in the name of diversity. What will you do to curb this? No, once Treasonous Trump gets his security clearance, his speeches will be filled with equal proportions of exposed secrets and idiotic misinterpretations of what he was told. Those misinterpretations hopefully will offset some of the National Security damage his credibility is deteriorating so quickly foreign governments may not be able to take advantage of this.

And it'll all be part of my prediction of him losing votes every time he opens his mouth That is to say, lucky for Trump that it's not a real AMA. Can't decide whether to watch the trainwreck or log out. That's a lovely fantasy, oneswellfoop, I'd love whatever happy pills you're on. He will say something totally idiotic and fabricated, he will be called on it as fabricated, and he'll say nuh-uh, I know things , I've got clearance , you don't, neener!

Is this the right thread to discuss a Trump AMA? Can we focus on the DNC, instead? So I've already had one Facebook acquaintance claim that Trump wasn't asking Russia to hack US servers, he just asked them to "return what was stolen" the emails. I was a bit flabbergasted, then saw a Media Matters tweet a few minutes later pointing out that this phrasing was used by Tucker Carlson on Fox News. So the talking points are already out there. Definitely no "Surely this" moment here.

Damn, survivors of gun violence tonight, including Sandy Hook and Emmanuel Church. That's my deepest fear as well. Assange keeps hinting about a leak that will send Hillary to prison. I don't believe there is such a real email, but a skilled fabrication could totally derail the election.

As always, William S. Burroughs has a relevant quote: Personally, I would regard such an individual with deep suspicion. I have just petted my cat: He is a traitor to the human race. We're the same women. I assume Assange doesn't have anything, since he hasn't released it. I hope you are all right, but the notion that Trump will all of a sudden start losing support is odd.

He has done nothing but gain support for the past year. I'm not going to fight the data anymore. There is no "surely this" with Trump. You see that, right? There isn't going to be some crazy thing he says that will lose him support.

At this point the responsible parties, and the only ones who can make it stop, are Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, and every other Republican "leader" who has said Trump is better than Hillary.

Until you see those folks rebuke him AND start to support Hillary, this will continue. Trump talking Putin goes from "he called Obama the n-word" to "I hope he likes me" in 20 seconds. I don't think Assange has anything real. We're just talking timing on a falsified dump. Perhaps the Trump stuff can stay in the Day 2 thread and we can actually talk about the DNC convention in here? He wants to hurt Clinton as much as possible.

I expect selective leaks throughout the election with a dump a few days before election day. OK, can anyone come up with a Hillary version of the Cognitive Dissonance game with rebuttals? Burroughs, real centipedes are cool. Yeah, I've never been more worried about the so called "October surprise" than I am this year. Wasn't there already evidence of tampering modification, creation out of whole cloth in the first e-mail release?

Any further releases should be assumed compromised. Critical thinking skills are not for everyone, I guess. The closer it gets to the election, the less the federal government will do about anything that looks shady.

So as long as Trump still looks worse, she'll win. Maybe even the best troller. Well, it's good to know Wikileaks has become a vehicle for Assange to use to settle personal political scores. I still think Clinton will win. The namesake of my old airport! What does this mean?

A Google search turns up nothing. That picture of Mike Honda. I miss having him as my congressman. Ya Got Trump Trouble!

I'd like to personally request a significant reduction in the amount of satire around here. It is often hard to tell what is and is not satire, especially online, in text-only forums like this.

If you have something to say, please say it clearly and distinctly. It's from a Podcast, Alice Isn't Dead. Thistle Man is the antagonist. Hacker culture people are no way showing up for Hillary because of her stances on encryption and surveillance and IP. Wikileaks latest balls up: It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Why such lukewarm support for restoring the Voting Rights Act? What is the shouting going on during the AAPI speakers? Even straight-up mainstream news can't resist the snark now.

Trump, who once called on Robert Pattinson to break up with Twilight co-star Kristen Stewart, is not exactly known for holding back his thoughts on what others should do. So i'm still floored that Judy Chu is the first Chinese American woman elected to congress. Took a while eh, i'm tearing up about it ahh ;;;;; posted by one teak forest at 2: I think a lot of people haven't been paying attention to how fucked voting rights are getting again. Knowing whether something is satire or not is really quite simple.

If it's less absurd than the last thing you heard Trump say, it was satire. If it's more absurd than what you think he could have said, it's a direct quote of his that you aren't yet aware of. First openly gay PoC elected to Congress: D posted by gilrain at 2: I think it's just early in the day, maybe not everybody has shown up yet.

The crowd noise I'm hearing on the YouTube feed sounds like it's probably much louder in the room, just not coming through over the mics. I'm seriously wondering if a lot of journalists didn't get together and have a bit of a meeting. Let's give him that much rope, and then some more, to see who else is willing to share the noose!

Has anyone else heard this? It is worth watching, if you aren't already. I dunno, I think that there's some possibility that if Wikileaks just has more of the same, they can dump it in October and it won't do much. Has their most recent one really done much other than render people fractious at the convention? How many people who were seriously going to vote for Hillary are not going to because of this?

If they have something genuinely terrible, that might change the game, but if it's just "Democratic Party officials discuss acting improperly, to no one's particular surprise", will it really convince anyone that a Trump administration is a good idea? I mean, faked leaks would be really bad, but it would also come out eventually and that would spell the end of Wikileaks. That's the only scenario I can envision that justifies the kid-gloves approach the media has taken so far to Trump.

He puts eyeballs on the ads. But Assange assumes that would happen after President Trump gives him a full pardon and a job as Federal Transparency Officer Probably too late to avoid interfering with election results, though, so it would still be a win for them. CNN is reporting that Kaine didn't get a formal nominating speech from Rep.

Bobby Scott where someone else stands up and says nice things about him and puts his name into nomination, as is traditional due to fear of booing. You know, all this talk about Russian spies in the US makes me wish I hadn't binge-watched the first few seasons of The Americans on Netflix or read the post here about the real-life spies the show is based on. Wasn't that essentially the point?

Like, they released those leaks that would cause fractures at the DNC right before the DNC - seems like a reasonable strategy. Nobody but Assange and his mystery hacker know what else they have. The Daily Beast has it up. I understand this message of "trans rights the right thing to do, and they're good for business" but I do wish it could stand without the conjunction. That's what CNN twitter says. Stupid, if true; it's not like they aren't going to be any less whiny during Kaine's actual speech.

I feel like the tech entrepreneurs feel really out of their depth when they can't use cat gifs in their presentations. Can I just note here that every single speaker gets a different bit of walk out music from the house band, while the GOP house band only knew like five songs? I do appreciate that both entrepreneurs who have spoken so far have come from a tech hub other than Silicon Valley. It's a great episode! Yeah, but I'm still hoping that Assange wouldn't burn his own organization to the ground purely to install Trump.

Maybe he would, I don't know. These are scary times. I really wish that people with legitimate grudges against the US government would think through the actual, lived consequences of installing the Worst Possible President. If you are committed to the life of an underground hacker-type person, sure, fine, it probably won't make much difference whether you're running from a Democrat or a Republican, and probably you don't want ordinary things like a stable living situation, kids, etc, plus you presumably have powerful allies who can help you get, like, cool underground doctors to help you if you get sick.

I'm not knocking that if it's your thing, but just like any specialized profession, it's not the answer to everyone's problems. We really and truly are living in the era of post-factual politics.

It's bizarre, surreal and frightening: The best thing Trump has going for him right now is that the ongoing story of a major party nominee who has unclear financial ties to Russia, significant alignment with Russian policy, and effectively encourages Russian cyberattacks, sounds so absurd that voters may find it hard to believe.

Okay, Mayor de Blasio, what do you want for your walkup music? That great Santana song. Black Magic Woman, okay, we'll— DB: No, the other—the one he did with the other guy. No, no the one with, you know. The Blink guy. They're a married couple, so it's not much of a coincidence. Kinda getting weary of the same litany of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments from speaker after speaker. Maybe these early sessions could be focused on down ticket races and candidates?

I didn't realize that, thanks! Disability rights take center stage at DNC. Gaysian analysis is all about decision-making based on posteriors. There are many including Assange with grudges legitimate or not who would genuinely benefit from installing The Worst Possible President.

After all, when he gets the power to fire all the Civil Servants, he has to hire sycophants from somewhere Is the band playing Somewhere on an electric handsaw? I've been knitting a lace doily while watching both conventions. It has an acorn motif in it, so it'll be a suitable memento for this political time: I'm not even USian. But I can see you from my house. This is a nice tribute, but the music is horrible. It sounds like a parody of an In Memoriam segment.

Yeah, I'm not sure who decided that a harmonica cover of the song when Tony's dying in West Side Story was the one to go with. What scares me is that apparently NY Mag and perhaps even hypothetical foreign groups can read the comments down here. I was under the impression I was talking to myself here and y'all were just other parts of my brain who came to keep me company. Thanks for posting this , persona au gratin.

Pretty sure it was Tim. I haven't really gotten the bolo tie look to catch on. This guy is great. Sarcasm tag posted by Yowser at 2: Down Ticket Shout Outs! Christ is running again. We learned about falsified emails in the existing leak less than week after it happened.

The real issue is whether it matters that the falsifications are discovered at all, not how timely the discovery will be. At this point , I don't think Assange cares about his organisation's legacy. Hey, let's not get personal, bub. Not that "Gaysian" isn't a delightful term in itself, but it'd be nice to mention his name is Rep. That was a photo of the women House members on stage from yesterday, in the midst of that video. This production team is so amazing! I feel like it's a big enough topic on its own.

The focus has shifted a bit since I contributed that. My mayor and cool guy Andrew Gillum just gave a perfectly cromulent speech. On a personal level, he has helped out my nonprofit, and is a totally hoopy frood and I'm glad that he was representing the ! Personally, I'd like to keep everything election-related in one thread. Woody's got the campaign song ready!

This voiceover, with its overlapped voices and only-occasional reverb That was a superb film. Do you have any links? Searching Google mostly brings up stories about how DNC allegedly faked various things instead. Fer fucks sake, I just logged on to the live feed and already misty eyed. I feel like the convention threads are a good place for minute-to-minute reactions to news releases, then somebody can do a FPP round-up of all the DNCLeaks news once the story settles a bit?

I wanted to put a link in my post, but I ran into the same issue. There was an article that came up in my Twitter feed that talked about this.

I'll see if I can find it. But the tampering is supposed to be a key part of the evidence that Russia was the source of the leaks. We need to trust black women! Chilton posted by cortex at 3: Ok this is so much corn I'm getting popcorn lung just watching. Who are these singers?

Okay I've clearly opened up this stream in the middle of something already in progress but these singers look like an Upright Citizen's Brigade skit posted by penduluum at 3: Wow these singers are There's something comforting in this, a really strong entry in the Cheesiest Song Ever competition.

This is the Democratic party of my childhood, or something. Also it's not making me tear up, so uh, that's a pleasant break. But if that's the low point of the whole event then I'm more than happy. The C-SPAN app's audio is delayed like 15 seconds compared to the channel, which is disconcerting when you're trying to use both to follow along. Did they not rehearse this bit? You guys promised I would get misty eyed if I live streamed this!

I don't think you meant these singers causing physical pain to my eyes and ears posted by kanewai at 3: Are they making it up as they go????? It's really tough to do that live, though, and it sounded to me like they may have had in-ear monitor issues.

Let's pretend this never happened and move on. This is why we're not allowed in Eurovision. Damn but these threads are moving fast. For those who missed it earlier, North Korea says Trump isn't screwy at all, a wise choice for president is not a satire from The Onion as I thought because it reads like satire.

DPRK Today is among a handful of news sites run by the isolated North, although its content is not always handled by the main state-run media. My eyes are killing me. If, like me, you are glued to a computer screen and have been for hours, consider blinking more, taking breaks and doing a few other things to help your eyes.

I am suspecting their ear monitors were not working. It's a data dump of unknown provenance and handling involving at least one somewhat untrustworthy actor Wikileaks dumping Turkish women's info is awful. We have no way of knowing whether they are tampered with for sure. Though what I've seen so far makes me think it unlikely as it was all pretty tame and not surprising. Gotta be honest, I muted that and put Fight Song on again.

What the hell was that 'America' song? I'm calling it, folks. Those singers just cost Hillary Clinton the election. Get ready for President Trump. Now this musical interlude is much better and totally makes up for whatever that was. Was that Jerry Gergich on the Jumbotron? Apparently a Gloria Estefan song.

Or possibly their ears. Why is Jackson reading from notes instead of the teleprompter? The center lady is reading her notes while singing, maybe the show had to be stretched 5 mins and they just threw those guys out there. Why is he reading this looking down at the podium instead of using the teleprompter and looking at the audience? Wikileaks did not do that dump they linked to it.

WikiLeaks didn't upload the AKP files with the private info on Turkish women - I did and they've been removed posted by yertledaturtle at 3: Oh, they're playing the America song, turn it up. Thanks to a friend of mine contacting the original producer, it's back.

I'm not originally from the US so forgive me for not knowing this. What accent does Jesse Jackson have? Statt einer Zahlenkombination steht jetzt dieser Name in Deiner e-mail-Adresse. Dabei ist der Name des Empfängers gleichgültig; vorausgesetzt, die Adresse kann eindeutig zugeordnet werden.