the difference is that novak beat nadal on every surface in 2011 but nadal cant beat rog on every surface.
the H2H is 9-17 right?
what do you think the H2H would have been if nadal would have succeed to reach alot more of hard surface's between 2005-2009? can you tell me nadal would still lead the H2H against fed?

I agree & I'm sure Fed would have a winning H2H with Nadal if 14 of their matches had been indoors & only 4 on clay. But the question is about Federer's slam success from here, & in that context, Nadal is still a significant obstacle, particularly now Federer has declined to the point it's hard to see him beating Nadal outdoors, & bearing in mind the horrendous mental collapses Federer has had against him in recent years.

01-11-2012 02:29 PM

Commander Data

Re: Djokovic only obstacle in Federer slam success?

The obstacle is 16 GS. If Fed were at the same stage of his career like Nole he would annihilate the competition.

His game also sucked at R.G. last year yet it was enough to take care of an in-form Federer. Nadal may be declining but Fed has been for years and I have no confidence in his ability to defeat Nadal outdoors any more, except on genuinely fast hard courts such as Cincinnati's & perhaps the U.S. Open's (though not last year), & possibly on grass, fluctuations in form notwithstanding. Form is temporary, match-up nightmares & mental scars are permanent.

we can say the same about nadal's match up with novak

the difference is that novak beat nadal on every surface in 2011 but nadal cant beat rog on every surface.
the H2H is 9-17 right?
what do you think the H2H would have been if nadal would have succeed to reach alot more of hard surface's between 2005-2009? can you tell me nadal would still lead the H2H against fed?

His game also sucked at R.G. last year yet it was enough to take care of an in-form Federer. Nadal may be declining but Fed has been for years and I have no confidence in his ability to defeat Nadal outdoors any more, except on genuinely fast hard courts such as Cincinnati's & perhaps the U.S. Open's (though not last year), & possibly on grass, fluctuations in form notwithstanding. Form is temporary, match-up nightmares & mental scars are permanent.

There seems to be a rule that Federer and Nadal cannot meet before the final. I read the ATP rulebook, but it's not in there though, maybe there is some kind of addendum to the rulebook that we don't know about? I think Murray will be happy nowadays with the rule.

b/c murry will win against fed in GS the best of 5? i dont think so..

but yet its so clear that the ATP dont want them to meet b/4 the F

01-11-2012 01:25 PM

tampie

Re: Djokovic only obstacle in Federer slam success?

There seems to be a rule that Federer and Nadal cannot meet before the final. I read the ATP rulebook, but it's not in there though, maybe there is some kind of addendum to the rulebook that we don't know about? I think Murray will be happy nowadays with the rule.