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Good points. It seems anytime some nut does something and previously expressed an interest in something, that interest is always seen as the source to blame however crazy it seems. By moving the blame or saying a movie, music, rhetoric, or whatnot takes away from the actual person who committed the atrocities and does not help.

I mean could you imagine these thread if Sharpton had indeed said something crazy like, "Don't Retreat – Instead Reload” but the fact is he never called for any kind of violence and is still getting violent acts linked to him.

Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?

Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?

Yes but do you think there are no racial issues in this country that still need to be addressed and a good leader needs to be able to address those without being labeled a race baiter? Not that I think Sharpton is the best leader for the job or has a perfect history but it seems you can't address any kind of prejudice without being labeled.

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Yes but do you think there are no racial issues in this country that still need to be addressed and a good leader needs to be able to address those without being labeled a race baiter? Not that I think Sharpton is the best leader for the job or has a perfect history but it seems you can't address any kind of prejudice without being labeled.

I would hazard the guess that there will always be racial issues in the country. Just like I have found the same still exist outside of it too. Just not to the extent that we are obsessed with it in America. And I mean obsessed. I don't think the Rev is any kind of a leader much less a good one, but he sure has a big part in the currently racially charged air of the country. The Rev earned his stripes, KARMA is a bitch as they say.

The poll wasn't about body cameras. The poll wasn't about cops walking off the job either, but that was a point you made. In response to your point, I made the point of body cams and new training programs should be considered to better protect the safety and rights of our officers.

I wasn't expecting a debate on body cams with you. I was simply making a point and sharing my views... lol

Originally Posted by tres borrachos

The poll question (which I understood, perhaps you didn't) was:

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It was not about body cameras. It was not about Fox News. It was exactly what the subject line said.

I didn't watch the clips at the beginning. I don't need Debate Politics to educate myself on who Al Sharpton is. I grew up outside of NYC and remember the first time I heard his name - the Tawana Brawley lies. And if you want to know what the OP is influenced by, take it up with him, not me.

If you didn't know who Al Sharpton was before this poll, then that's your issue.

If you would like to engage me in discussion, stick to the topic of the thread I'm posting on.

Where is the anti-cop rhetoric you are talking about? The only anti-cop rhetoric I have seen is from a bunch crazy nut bags at a rally. That is hardly the same as Sharpton or left wing media personalities promoting violence towards our cops.

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

It's disingenuous to sit on your high horse and claim hypocrisy all around and then flat out ignore and try to dismiss the role anti-cop rhetoric may have played in the assassination of these two cops. Maybe there wasn't a specific call from Sharpton to murder cops - I never claimed that - but you'd have to be a fool to deny the "dog whistle" and cumulative effect of Sharpton and the left wing race baiting pimps who make the death of every two bit black hustler and criminal thug a cause celebre against police.

Where is the anti-cop rhetoric you are talking about? The only anti-cop rhetoric I have seen is from a bunch crazy nut bags at a rally. That is hardly the same as Sharpton or left wing media personalities promoting violence towards our cops.

Educate yourself, then maybe we can have a discussion. I'm not your research assistant.

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