For sure but there needs to be a balance. We all know what happened to Nintendo when they went full in. While they were successful, they have no foundation this time around. You can't ignore the core to get the casuals...the balance needs to stay where the cores push the technology and once it's cheaper, the casuals step in.

The problem is that gaming is becoming "for" the casuals and these people are a one-night stand...they don't have the passion that we do. Nintendo was used like a $#@! and thrown away; now those casuals won't return their calls.

I agree, since they went that route screw over core gamers. It will be hard for them to earn there trust again. Im pretty well sold on the ps4 MS will have to impress the hell out of me with games and prove to me that there not a casual gaming company.

I agree, since they went that route screw over core gamers. It will be hard for them to earn there trust again. Im pretty well sold on the ps4 MS will have to impress the hell out of me with games and prove to me that there not a casual gaming company.

I totally agree with you there. Thats pretty much where I'm at right now.

If MS decides to go full retard (casual) then yeah, consider a non-consumer. But if at least (at worst) they follow the previous Xbox's trend (go hard out first 2-4 years, then casually drop 'core' support) then I'd still be interested.

If MS decides to go full retard (casual) then yeah, consider a non-consumer. But if at least (at worst) they follow the previous Xbox's trend (go hard out first 2-4 years, then casually drop 'core' support) then I'd still be interested.

Not me. I wont support a company that turns their back on me halfway through their consoles lifecycle to go chase another market. Especially when their competition has proven that they will take care of me as a core gamer right up to the end of the generation.

Not me. I wont support a company that turns their back on me halfway through their consoles lifecycle to go chase another market. Especially when their competition has proven that they will take care of me as a core gamer right up to the end of the generation.

That's fair enough.

For me, I'd be interested in getting one after a few price drops to play some new IPs. Though it'd have to have a significant amount of NextBox ONLY (no cross PC "exlusive" BS) games, and maybe a few features here and there to get me to get it.

I enjoy that the 3rd parties are not as exclusive as they used to be. We should all enjoy these games and I really hope with this coming up generation, cross-platform would become the norm. At least between consoles but I'm sure we'll see a lot of PC interaction.

This would be great for developers and we'll get more games in the end.

More than anything else, I'm super excited for consoles to finally tap into the PC market.

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The core will be there. The casual market is the tricky one imo. The Wii U is struggling to capture that same casual market they had with the Wii.

It would be extremely naive (almost delusional) to think that Microsoft wont make a BIG push on the hardcore market as some people are tempted to think. Of course they will, but I'm curious of how big this push will be and what direction will it take.

Nintendo's slope is what has me worried as a gamer here. It's an irresistible temptation for any investor... the guys who sold 100M+ in this generation had released a console that seems to be dead on arrival. Heck I would like to take that cake too if it was my money!!

...then again... that casual market has changed so damn much thanks to portable devices that the question is IF (or when) they're willing to buy a console at all.

This is an extremely interesting situation... fascinating for those who like to analyze market trends.

The thing about casual only gamers is that yes it's a massive market with huge earning potential but they're also fickle. Ninty seem to be learning that just because people bought the Wii doesn't mean they'll buy the next one. And the Wii U is at least different to the Wii. If the Next Xbox pushes with an upgraded kinnect they may discover that they've already saturated that market and people won't see the point in getting an expensive new console when kinnect works fine on their current one.

I'm sure MS will target the core gamers as well, they do have the finances to push on two fronts after all and there were so many rumours about them investing obscene amounts of money into this.

The thing about casual only gamers is that yes it's a massive market with huge earning potential but they're also fickle. Ninty seem to be learning that just because people bought the Wii doesn't mean they'll buy the next one. And the Wii U is at least different to the Wii. If the Next Xbox pushes with an upgraded kinnect they may discover that they've already saturated that market and people won't see the point in getting an expensive new console when kinnect works fine on their current one.

I'm sure MS will target the core gamers as well, they do have the finances to push on two fronts after all and there were so many rumours about them investing obscene amounts of money into this.

Exactly my point. And I hope so. Imagine another 1st party war like past gen.

The thing about casual only gamers is that yes it's a massive market with huge earning potential but they're also fickle. Ninty seem to be learning that just because people bought the Wii doesn't mean they'll buy the next one. And the Wii U is at least different to the Wii. If the Next Xbox pushes with an upgraded kinnect they may discover that they've already saturated that market and people won't see the point in getting an expensive new console when kinnect works fine on their current one.

I'm sure MS will target the core gamers as well, they do have the finances to push on two fronts after all and there were so many rumours about them investing obscene amounts of money into this.

Kinect definitely has worn off its novelty but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement and I think if the upgrade is big enough, there is definitely market for it. It's an untapped market.

There may be many people, old and young that would not know how to hold a controller (yes, even a wii remote). And while my 2 year old can practically do every basic move in BF3 and BO2, that's rare and I'm only bringing this up because I wanted to feel like a badass dad and I do.

I think my kid would love the current Kinect and I would love a more improved Kinect. It's not going to make me buy an Xbox because I'm stubborn but it will make millions other.

They just have to improve it well enough and integrate it from the core enough that it sparks a new interest. You're right, they can go both ways, they can do Kinect and they can still do core games.

Originally Posted by Aquanox

Exactly my point. And I hope so. Imagine another 1st party war like past gen.

lol. Let's not imagine another war. Just two good consoles with good games that people quietly like to play.

I'm not sure if it's because of all the new portable technology, or because this generation lasted way too long to keep hardcores interested. One thing is sure, this isn't nearly as what it was at the beginning of this gen. There's a lot of work to do, I'm one of those that want consoles to survive in time. F*ck gaming on portables.

Originally Posted by sainraja

This generation both sides may have to unite to ensure our way of console gaming survives into the future. We all need to put down our swords and make way for both the PS4/Xbox Next.

I'm not sure if it's because of all the new portable technology, or because this generation lasted way too long to keep hardcores interested. One thing is sure, this isn't nearly as what it was at the beginning of this gen. There's a lot of work to do, I'm one of those that want consoles to survive in time. F*ck gaming on portables.

What if portables became powerful enough (ps4 graphics and physics in a vita shell) that we can take it on the go and still be able to plug it in to a tv and use our controllers on it.

What if portables became powerful enough (ps4 graphics and physics in a vita shell) that we can take it on the go and still be able to plug it in to a tv and use our controllers on it.

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A dual function system like that could be pretty cool. Or if they had add ons that function like systems to add features to the hand held to make it more like a system. A ports box so to speak with all your HDMI's, Optical ports, USBs, with basic CPU & ram to run the OS and what not. Just keep it under $150 for all this and it would be a pretty nice thing in my book.

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