It's not that he wasn't Pro-Maccentral that got him into trouble, it's that he had a generally bad attitude. The project may not have started out as what it is now, but it has become a charity project. It does not need negativity. How would it look if we made a press release with everyone's stuff, and one person out of the entire group wrote about how much he hated MacCentral... that wouldn't look to good, IMHO..<br><br>Also, it comes down to what you said, we started the project, we made the rules, and we have the right to change them. The changes were made based on group decisions. If NTO1 does not agree, so be it, see ya. No one else had a problem with the project.<br><br>Funny, in this case, he [color:red]is</font color=red> the only one. <br><br><br>[i]the quest continues...

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>No one else had a problem with the project.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Well to be honest the whole bio/photo thing to me is kind of dumb. I signed up for a fun little thing that blew up into this huge deal. Yeah it's great that it's turned into a big charity event and such but in my mind it doesn't really need to be taken to the level that it is. Send the posters around, have us sign them and be done with it. I am who I am on the forum, people don't know me by my personal name, nor do I really want them too, though some have become real friends it's not why I'm on the forum. So the idea of having postcards with my name and info on them ciruculated out really isn't appealing to me, after all I did this just as a fun little thing that was originally just going to be posted to the web site.<br><br>Remember this is a message board and we're all spread out over the country. I've personally been in New York City area for two days on business, so any decisions that took place I wouldn't have had opportunity to take part in. I think that's what happened with the whole bio thing, I dont remember ever seeing that discussion (might have though, don't remember) or I'd have voiced my oppostion to it, and yes possibly backed out. Shooshie did a wonderful job though with the limited info I gave him, I'm delighted with how it turned out.<br><br>

Everything including the bios, photos, signatures, charity, the CD's, postcards, website, stock the poster would be printed on and more were offered up for voting and discussion every step of the way (although I will grant you, some of threads were difficult to find if you didn't see it the same day - I completely missed the one about the CD's, and didn't notice the one about the bios until the next morning, but they were there.<br><br>[color:red]semicolon dash parenthesis</font color=red>

Actually, the names and bios for the brochures, and similar material + photos and consent to be interviewed were presented in a manner thus:<br><br>"I have decided I would like to do (insert activity here) ... what I need from all of you is (insert requirement here) ... and I would like it done by (insert time constraint here) ... "<br><br>No mention of voting or consent ...<br><br>I'm not saying that overall the project wasn't a fairly democratic exercise, just that not *everything* was put to a group decision or vote, as implied in M3's post ...<br><br>=)<br><br>***matt<br><br><br>

I didn't participate in the project because I didn't feel that I could have done a good enough job. I do know, however that the participants are a talented, caring and generous group. I am sorry I didn't and would have thought nothing of giving my name.<br>The "Big Split" was a nothing deal and most everyone has adjusted well.<br>Sure, the project has gotten quite complex and for a good reason. It is a charitable project made by good people who care about wanting to help others and care about each other. I think something like that is way beyond the immature rantings of someone who is desperatly attempting to make a lame point.<br>I have read some of your posts and, apparently, you want to entice readers with controversial lead-ins and titles.<br>This time the rant may have backfired. Maybe name thing has to do with parental consent?<br><br>

Just to repeat 'Gizmo's remark, every idea, every development, and every issue along the way has ben dicussed openly in the forum at one time or another.<br><br>Things like the bios were ideas meant to increase the value of the 5 auction posters. Booklets "about the artist" are common at art auctions and similar venues. When no dissent is voiced, you can only assume that there is none. I agree that the scope has mushroomed, but in a good way. IDG is now putting their full media weight behind this thing, and it can be a little unnerving when the spotlight beam hits you. <br><br>In the end, though, it's still what it started out to be: a fun and interesting creative project. It just happens that it might make a bunch or $$ for a good cause, and give the Mac some very real and human-scale publicity. <br><br>

It sounds a lot like you just need a break from your computer. Get out and have some fun. It is ridiculous to throw a fit over such a little thing. The same goes for your problem with MacCentral forums in general. There are a hell of a lot of worse things going on in this world, and these two issues don't even deserve a second thought. You don't get to have everything in this world your way. Get over yourself.<br><br>Ryan<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by morserj on 05/10/02 08:33 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>

The kicker is, I have people at work that would LOVE the publicity and the opportunity to have a nationwide audience to view their work. It was just a hell of a good idea, and I for one can't wait for the next one.<br><br>[color:red]semicolon dash parenthesis</font color=red>

No one "threw" NTO1 out of MC. He spearheaded a movement to abandon MC and then left and never looked back(well, not actually, he has been spotted in the "Who's online" section lurking about)<br>This is a classic example of sour-grapes. <br>Sorry you feel that way NTO1.<br>I was hoping you would ease back into posting at MC, but it seems you have picked your battle and drawn your line in the sand.<br>No hard feelings on my part. I thought you made some good posts and had an unusual outlook on life.<br>Cheers <br><br>

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