Ukab the Great:People love a good story. Stories explain things, they pull heart strings. Science just doesn't have the same power over the human heart. Science just leads to more unanswered questions.

Just because the human heart craves unconditional love...a god sized hole in our lives...doesn't make the existence of god a fact. Sorry Kirk Cameron.

Maybe a little OT here, but this is the thing that bugs me about the Badastronomy types. I really don't care if the science is all that accurate in entertainment. They claim scientific accuracy makes the stories better but usually I don't even notice.

Ignoring gravity is one thing but complaining RED MATTER WAAAH FARK YOU ABRAMS just makes you a whiny douche.

I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.

Gifted Many Few:I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.

It nearly writes itself.

Meh. Remakes are almost never as good as the original. Look at the Book of Mormon, for instance.

MyKingdomForYourHorse:Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

MyKingdomForYourHorse:Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

Farking Canuck:MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

FirstNationalBastard:/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

I'd also tell myself in 2000 to put the comics back and not start reading them again. I wouldn't listen, but I'd still try.

verbaltoxin:What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!

Here's my impression of DC "No really this pile of shiat on the plate is totally classic cuisine you want to eat, the smell? Well that's what they eat in...europe... its totally fetch. No wait..where are you going!?! We'll throw in dessert for free!!!! COME BACK!!!!"

MyKingdomForYourHorse:verbaltoxin: What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!

Here's my impression of DC "No really this pile of shiat on the plate is totally classic cuisine you want to eat, the smell? Well that's what they eat in...europe... its totally fetch. No wait..where are you going!?! We'll throw in dessert for free!!!! COME BACK!!!!"

Here's the thing. I'm fine with Babs being uncrippled. Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that, kind of how Bruce Timm's Batman cartoons have nothing to do with Christopher Nolan's Batman movies. Don't start a "New 52" that plays games with what they're keeping, and what they're not, while not having any clear idea all the while.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

This. I'm pissed about Saucer Country. It's been a slow build, but the comic is really starting to get good now. It makes sense from a sales perspective, but it still sucks to lose that weird little comic.

verbaltoxin:Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that,

I think the issue is, writers WANT to do that but are being prevented from doing that because DC wants to try and emulate Marvel and their continuity but they fail to realize that it took Marvel literally decades to build up to what they have now and also had to spend some time out in comic book wilderness.

Its like they farking totally didn't learn their lesson when the comic industry collapsed in the 90's

MyKingdomForYourHorse:verbaltoxin: Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that,

I think the issue is, writers WANT to do that but are being prevented from doing that because DC wants to try and emulate Marvel and their continuity but they fail to realize that it took Marvel literally decades to build up to what they have now and also had to spend some time out in comic book wilderness.

Farking Canuck:MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

The Troof hurts:Unlike most comic books, the people in the Bible actually existed.

Some of them did. I doubt any historical evidence exists to prove or even suggest Noah ever existed. There certainly isn't any evidence all of humanity came from a handful of people that survived a flood that happened only 10,000 years ago. Nor is there any evidence all the animals in the world migrated to where they are now from the landing point of a wooden ship in the Middle East.

browntimmy:I said it in another thread, but it's funny how a fantasy series like Game of Thrones looks way more believable than the bible mini-series.

I'd like to see a miniseries about The Bible with a cast and production on level with GoT. Right now it just feels too amateurish. History probably aired it before Vikings so that Vikings would look like an amazing achievement in The Bible's wake.

I didn't understand a single word of the comic book arguments above. Somehow I've managed to go my entire life without reading a single comic book. That said, I've read the xtian bible and I've seen much more realistic stories on syfy than are contained in that old book. It was the best science fiction they had back then so you can't blame the authors for being hackneyed and unbelievable today!

Tell me Subby do you denegrate Islam and Hindu when you make fun of believers or just Christians?

Or are you like Dawkins? While insulting Christians during an Al Jazeera interveiw a few weeks was asked about the 'truth' of the Koran and said 'I'm not very familiar with (the Koran)'.

That comment alone shows that Dawkins is a farking grandstanding hack.

Personally, I stick to making fun of christianity/xtians over other faiths because you people are that much more fun when you get irritated and completely ignore most of what is in that book you call sacred. Hypocrisy runs rampant when christians defend their religion, it's great. I've read all of the "scriptures" and all of them are hogwash tales retold to promote commonality and control (like all religions).

*also, since xtianity has a de facto monopoly on this country, there are many, many more of you at which to point and laugh.

MyKingdomForYourHorse:Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

Spiderman's brain has been replaced with Dr. Octopus'. Your argument is invalid.

Gifted Many Few:I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.