This theory, even if true, still would not discount the Croats from being Slavic, since they (you) speak a Slavic language and have done so for more than 1000 years, and the common origin of all Europeans, be they Russian, Serb, Croat, Greek, Polish, German, French, Latin, etc., is the same one Indo-European homeland from which everyone emerged thousands of years ago, including the Iranians and other Indo-Europeans in Asia/Central Asia.

I think to understand what Ustasha is getting at, we have to consider the situation of Croats.

They often get lumped in with "Slavs" by Russian and Serbian interests due to a certain ideology known as pan-Slavism, or the uniting of Slavic peoples.

This pan-Slavic BS was used by the Russian and Soviet empires to consolidate control over eastern Europe by cultural corrosion.

Croats know they're different from other people, so they're jealous to guard their identity against nonsense like pan-Slavism.

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Originally Posted by Pact_Of_Steel_13

Slavic isn't just a language it has to do with a sub-racial type as well. There are 3 groups of whites. Nordic, Mediterranean and Slavic. A lot of Nordicist theory asserts that in that order is superior to inferior. Nordic being the best, Mediterranean being second and Slavic last.

Actually, it's Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean.

Slavs aren't counted as a racial group and comprise all three "types", with no mongol admixture except on the extreme fringes.

Like Haight said, there are many quotes of Hitler saying or writing something against Christianity. Hitler was not a Christian, but neither was he an atheist! He detested both, atheism a little more perhaps, because he was of the opinion that atheists believe in nothing, not even in Germany; are complete nihilists. He probably equated them with communists.

Hitler was a sort of naturalistic pantheist/panentheist or a believer in something like William Pierce's Cosmotheism. Saying he was a Christian is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by WhiteRussianGerman

By racial comparison, Bosniaks are either Serb or Croat, they were a country formed because the ottoman empire spread islam to the balkans, had that never happened, they would likely be Church-going Serbs or Croats today. The indian and african legions were never formed into SS divisions, and were merely proxies the Wehrmacht used to combat the British forces in india at the time; they never stepped foot on European soil, same with the africans. You don't want to believe historical facts, there were Slavic SS divisions from Slovenia all the way to Russia, and they were over 1,000,000 troops in strength. That picture, as Defendu stated, is a random picture of an asiatic male, probably a khazar, and meant to represent the German battle against judeo-bolshevism. Slavs don't look like that; true Russians are as fair skinned as Germans, and a majority of them have blonde hair and green or blue eyes, just as Germans do.

The Bosniaks were not all white Croats or Serbs, many of them were mixed with Turks and looked like the typical Albanian.
Actually, non-whites did serve in the SS. Indische Freiwilligen Legion der Waffen-SS, for example. There are also Tatar, Turkish and other divisions. And in fact, Sikhs were captured in Berlin by the Soviets.

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The Posen speech was likely a composite. It lacks continuity and contradicts Himmler's other speeches and writings.

It is possible that that part was edited (I don't believe it myself), but nobody would go through all that trouble and write such a long speech where the only "incriminating" part is indirect at best. The Jews wouldn't have even bothered with editing any parts where the Slavs were being disrespected against. So Himmler said a few bad words about the Slavs, big deal, what's in it for the Jews? Absolutely nothing. The rest of the speech is authentic whether you like it or not, and what he said about the Slavs came straight from his mouth. Hitler and Himmler were German nationalists first and foremost. Just as there are positive things both have said about the Slavs, there are also negative. You say one thing in front of your German officers and another to your Ukrainian ones. Such is war; things are said to boost the morale and whatnot. To deny that is to be ignorant to reality.

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Originally Posted by Ustasha no1

Sorry to burst someones bubble but Croats are not Slavs. That was imposed to us by commie indoctrination (uravnilovka,you know)

Perhaps there was a time in History when you weren't, but now you are. Your ancestors, whoever they might have been, have been out-bred. The same goes with the Illyrians in Dalmatia and Veneti in Slovenia. In other words, you're a mix of ethnicities - white ethnicities, the majority of which spoke the Slavic language. Whatever traces are left from your ancestors are minute at best. The majority comes from your Slavic conquerors.

Perhaps there was a time in History when you weren't, but now you are. Your ancestors, whoever they might have been, have been out-bred. The same goes with the Illyrians in Dalmatia and Veneti in Slovenia. In other words, you're a mix of ethnicities - white ethnicities, the majority of which spoke the Slavic language. Whatever traces are left from your ancestors are minute at best. The majority comes from your Slavic conquerors.

Lol,and who exactly had conquered us. What do you know about Croats?
Your post here regarding both Hitler and Croats is plain well,stupid.

Learn about Croats if you will and then say something. This way your post is funny...if not worst.

Have you read "Mein Kampf"? How many times Hitler mentions God in there (yes,with capital "G")...and "our Lord"?

Educate yourself mate. And don't speak of Croats if you don't know anything about us,which you obviously don't.

Hitler was a sort of naturalistic pantheist/panentheist or a believer in something like William Pierce's Cosmotheism. Saying he was a Christian is ridiculous.

Hitler was a Catholic. You don't have to believe anything special to be a Catholic; its a social and political institution more than a community of belief. Nominally Catholic Pagans were at one time very common in Europe, to the extent that some cathedrals were even built with special accommodation for Pagan rites.

As for Hitler's attitude toward Slavs, you have to keep in mind that Hitler had a share of the same vice as Nietzsche and Bismarck and Wilhelm II, which was the habit of expressing himself in overly strong terms. He would give a speech saying that he was going to obliterate London and then tell the Luftwaffe to take care not to hit civilian targets. In other words his bark was worse than his bite.

When German soldiers had children by Ukrainian women during the war, those children were accepted as German.

There were some people of partly Slavic origin prominent in the NSDAP. Arthur Seyss-Inquart, Odilo Globocnik, Gregor Schwarz-Bostunitsch, and probably some others.

The Croats are a proud people.
They should be bound directly to the Fuehrer by an oath of
loyalty. Like that, one could rely upon them absolutely. When
I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very
type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakeable in his
friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats
are very keen .on not being regarded as Slavs. According to
them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they
speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say.

By the way there are many people who take it as genuine, including myself and David Irving and I really don't care that some may think it fake, it really doesn't bother me the slightest. Just because Hitler contradicts what he says in public doesn't make it a forgery...what it means is what he said in public was full of motivational propaganda. Hitler was a master propagandist and although an honorable man, he was a politician who couldn't tell the masses everything.

Like Haight said, there are many quotes of Hitler saying or writing something against Christianity.

From my link:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore-- of a whore and a Roman soldier.

The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him.
-Hitler [Table-Talk, p. 76]
Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld and thus organise a proto-Bolsevism.
-Hitler [Table-Talk, p. 143]

Under the jurisdiction of the SS at one time for convenience but didn't get to wear the Runes, IIRC.

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The Jews wouldn't have even bothered with editing any parts where the Slavs were being disrespected against.

Except it clearly contradicts a statement by Himmler which is quoted in this very thread, and the Nuremberg tribunal very much would have falsified that sort of detail, being a joint U.S.-Soviet operation.

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The rest of the speech is authentic whether you like it or not

Evidence?

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Originally Posted by Rutten

p 348,349 - "He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he
regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and
they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the
Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To
combine all of these nations into one big family is the most
important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This
unification has to take place on the principle of equality and
at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation
and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the
latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . .
After the unification of all the German nations into one
family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include,
in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is
favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that
after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to
persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White
race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations
into the family also because they too are of the White race . .
. it is only with such a unification of the White race that the
Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At
the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect
because its organization is based on the principle of equality.
The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and
Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has
proven that every unit has maintained its national identity
while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my
Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but
I would like to avert this. It is important that every
Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of
another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality
obeys the order of the German officer."

How does it feel being wrong?

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Hitler and Himmler were German nationalists first and foremost.

And that had what relevance years into a war which Germans knew they couldn't win alone?

Like Haight said, there are many quotes of Hitler saying or writing something against Christianity. Hitler was not a Christian, but neither was he an atheist! He detested both, atheism a little more perhaps, because he was of the opinion that atheists believe in nothing, not even in Germany; are complete nihilists. He probably equated them with communists.

Hitler was a sort of naturalistic pantheist/panentheist or a believer in something like William Pierce's Cosmotheism. Saying he was a Christian is ridiculous.

Man, I wouldn't bother with Defendu, he likes the Mongolian "National Socialists" and thinks they can be National Socialists when National Socialism is an Aryan Weltanschauung, not just a political ideology-but a lifestyle, and is only for Aryans.

By the way there are many people who take it as genuine, including myself and David Irving and I really don't care that some may think it fake, it really doesn't bother me the slightest.

Hitlers Tischgespräche is probably genuine but there are distortions in the older English edition that has the Hugh Trevor-Roper introduction. I understand that this is because it was a re-translation from the French of François Genoud, an attorney who was a bit dishonest and later fabricated "The Political Testament of Adolf Hitler" a.k.a. "the Hitler-Bormann Documents" as a supplement to the Tischgespräche.

Lol,and who exactly had conquered us. What do you know about Croats?
Your post here regarding both Hitler and Croats is plain well,stupid.

Learn about Croats if you will and then say something. This way your post is funny...if not worst.

Have you read "Mein Kampf"? How many times Hitler mentions God in there (yes,with capital "G")...and "our Lord"?

Educate yourself mate. And don't speak of Croats if you don't know anything about us,which you obviously don't.

The people who forced their language onto you; the Slavs. They didn't conquer you with force, they out-bred you, the same thing Muslims are doing in France right now. And I think I know enough about Croatia, considering my grandfather is one. I can even speak your language. Most of your gene pool comes from the Slavic peoples who settled the area and outmixed the other populations. That's a fact that you'd have to be an idiot to deny.

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Originally Posted by Hadding

Hitler was a Catholic.

Yes, he was. At one point in his life. Did he die a Catholic? No.

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Originally Posted by Defendu

Under the jurisdiction of the SS at one time for convenience but didn't get to wear the Runes, IIRC.

Of course they didn't wear the runes.

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Originally Posted by Defendu

Except it clearly contradicts a statement by Himmler which is quoted in this very thread, and the Nuremberg tribunal very much would have falsified that sort of detail, being a joint U.S.-Soviet operation.

I said Himmler said one thing in front of his German officers and another in front of his Ukrainian ones, didn't I? It makes perfect sense. You cheer your Germanic folk and belittle the others in front of your people, simple. It's to boost morale. He said how you can indeed have Russians among the German troops, but only as long as they are a minority, otherwise they will plot against the Germans.

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Evidence?

Show me evidence it's fake. That's right, you can't. I understand your doubts about the "killing of the Jews" part, but there is absolutely no reason to question the other parts, since, you know, they're absolutely worthless to the entire "Holocaust" story.

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Originally Posted by Defendu

How does it feel being wrong?

Wrong? You're funny. There is no simple "right" or "wrong" here, as there are both positive and negative things said.

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Originally Posted by Defendu

And that had what relevance years into a war which Germans knew they couldn't win alone?

They were still German nationalists that cooperated with other nations. I'm not following what you're getting at. It's called "allies".