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Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

You seem to have been born after the end of the Cold War... and in that vein...
...Oh... yes the world would have been much better if we just let the Soviets roll the globe.

I think Kyrgyzstan was much better off under Soviet influence than they would have been under Islam. Much better.

Try sobriety.exe
Folks with your attitude are part of the problem. What you wrote is a picture perfect replication of what The Moron with the Machete stated.
Think about it.

It's ironic because it's people like you who keep cheering on this disastrous foreign policy that gets Americans killed with absolutely no benefit to Americans in general, not to mention it bankrupts our country in the process.

Benghazi is a perfect illustration of the problem, and people like you would be funny if it weren't so damn sad. Americans got killed, but people are outraged for the wrong reasons. They don't bother to ask the question of why Benghazi was lawless in the first place -- BECAUSE WE BOMBED THE **** OUT OF LIBYA AND DESTROYED THEIR GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE MILITARY AND POLICE. But instead of questioning the wisdom of bombing the **** out of Libya in the first place, people are busy squabbling over memos and other silly ****. People like you miss the big picture, so little media distractions like this are designed just for you, in order to keep you occupied and uninformed when it comes to the larger issues. It's ok I guess.

The man similar in thinking to The Moron with the Machete... strikes again.
All I can say is... what a world view.
This isn't meant to be funny... it's a serious question... are you a Muslim?

No, but if I was that would have no effect on my argument (ad hominem). Nope, I'm Christian, anti-communist, and anti-government in general.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles

right, to stifle the soviets

Right, and it created blowback.

actually most seem to think our mistake wasn't intervening enough, and that further influence peddling would have limited the fallout after the soviet withdraw and prevented the organizing of the taliban

Yep, and the reason the economy didn't "recover enough" is because we didn't do enough stimulus, right? Interventionists are funny.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

[QUOTE=Dr. Chuckles;1061853935]

Originally Posted by Quik

Our foreign policy is decidedly imperialist.{/quote]

This started when you claimed we had imperialist operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. I responded by asking where is the imperialism in either of those conflicts. You responded by saying we bombed them. I pointed out bombing people isn't imperialism. Your reply is to basically reassert your original premise that I asked you to prove originally.

So, again, you're all over the place

Nope, we have an imperialist foreign policy. A good indication is the fact that WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST and CENTRAL ASIA. It's not even in our HEMISPHERE. It's on the OPPOSITE side of the world. Our empire is large, global in reach. Pax Americana.

I never claimed they were unrelated. I was responding to you claiming that such fundamentalist groups are a product of the US overthrowing govt and propping up dictators. I pointed out no such thing was going on when the Taliban formed. Also, as ill conceived as our programs in Afghanistan were, I don't think they fit either of those descriptions. We basically funded and armed an organic and internal resistance movement that was fighting against a a revolutionary govt that was getting arms, funds, and direct troop assitence from the soviets, with the soviets later taking a more active role of direct military intervention

Which resulted in a power vacuum which lead to the rise of the Taliban. Seriously, why aren't you able to connect the dots? Is there something wrong with you?

Why would we invade Europe after 9/11? How does this account for increased tension towards NK after 9/11?

We bombed North Korea? I didn't know that!

We wouldn't invade Europe because they are not Muslim.

none of those involve a policy of targeting innocent muslims

Sure they do, if you decided, completely voluntarily, to drop a bomb from a plane and you know that innocent civilians are going to die you are effectively targeting them.

And the only reason the original decision was made is because they are a Muslim nation. No other peoples would have been so unfortunate after 9/11. We were seeking Muslim blood and we got it, all over our hands. Men, women, and children who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 died needlessly so that our people could get our revenge on those evil Muslims who were unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong geographical location. How many soldiers lost their lives in these pointless wars? Or limbs? How many families ruined? It's tragic, just terrible.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles

and not doing anything would certainly have consequences as well. But I am unsure how such obvious points really speak to anything here

Which is why the government shouldn't interfere. If a tornado knocks down your home, that is not the governments fault. If the government uses eminent domain and knocks your home down, that is the governments fault.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

[QUOTE=Quik;1061857220]

Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles

Nope, we have an imperialist foreign policy. A good indication is the fact that WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST and CENTRAL ASIA. It's not even in our HEMISPHERE. It's on the OPPOSITE side of the world. Our empire is large, global in reach. Pax Americana.

simply having bases in a foreign country isn't imperialism, either

Which resulted in a power vacuum which lead to the rise of the Taliban. Seriously, why aren't you able to connect the dots? Is there something wrong with you?

So we are going to simply ignore the much greater involvement of the soviets and the fact that the Taliban was a product of Pashtun culture and society?

[quote]We bombed North Korea? I didn't know that! {/quote]

from above "account for increased tension towards NK". Notice I do not claim we bombed them

Sure they do, if you decided, completely voluntarily, to drop a bomb from a plane and you know that innocent civilians are going to die you are effectively targeting them.

Not really, and the Geneva convention did not enshrine such because it would only give credence and legitimacy to the use of human shields

And the only reason the original decision was made is because they are a Muslim nation.