87red's Posts and Other Poster's Replies To 87red's Posts

18 Apr 2018 11:17:28
I've seen a lot of clamouring for Mathis de Ligt recently.

A huge talent by the looks of it but why are people so keen to sign him when it would / could be a blocker to Gomez? You know, the 20 year old talent defender we already have in our team?

Seriously, if we were to sign a CB, it needs to be someone on par with VVD in both experience and current ability.

I don’t see the point in buying an 18 year old when Joe Gomez is clearly a big talent himself.

87red

1.) 18 Apr 2018 11:55:33
If someone of that talent and potential is available you sign him. Massive if but if he came klopp would likely make say matip and klavan available and we'd then have 4 1st team cbs. 2 more experienced 2 young looking to get in the team.

But also do remember lovren has had shockers and it wouldn't be a surprise if neither Matip or Lovren were in klopps plans.

2.) 18 Apr 2018 13:20:35
Lovren next to VVD looks far better though. Lovren has cut out a lot of the errors but tend to struggle against certain opposition. He’s had a tough time from us as a fan base at times but he’s got his head down and always give 100% which I think should be appreciated.

6.) 18 Apr 2018 14:02:24
Agreed Cesar. It seems like the overt show of support from fans after the Spurs away game (voting player of the month and all) has helped Lovren turn a corner. And recently he's been very good bar the ManU game.

9.) 19 Apr 2018 15:13:22
Klavan and Matip will probably be gone in the summer which leaves us with VVD, Lovren, Gomez (and De ligt if he comes)
So even playing a normal back 4 means we have 2 experienced players and 2 young players for cover.

during early cup games it would be great to have Gomez and De ligt starting with vvd and Lovren rested.

Who knows the 2 youngsters could be a long term partnership when VVD and Lovren start to lose their legs.
Lovren is 28 in a couple of months. When he hits 30, Gomez will be 23, perfect age to begin his push into a permanent starting 11 spot at CB.

VVD is nearly 26 so by the time he is 30 De Ligt will be close to 22, again a good age to start pressuring VVD for the starting 11 spot. And after 4 years he should be well and truly intergrated into the squad and comfortable playing alongside Gomez.

My thoughts anyway xD

Although as someone else said, i’d rather we got another experienced CB and use Lovren as the experienced cover. He has excelled next to VVD but we never know if it'll last as he has been shocking for so long.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.

To all the negative contributors of this site, we’re top of league and in knockouts of CL. We haven’t won anything yet so not getting carried away, but for goodness sake let’s see nothing but positivity on here now?

People wrote off our midfield 3 tonight before the kick off but we bossed that game and created no end of chances.

4.) 11 Dec 2018 22:46:43
*7red, negativity is simply what some people do. Nothing will ever change that. We could win the CL and/ or the {PL and they would still moan. Let's just continue supporting our team and continue to be positive. That's all we can do, really.

5.) 12 Dec 2018 00:41:21
BRover, I stand by everything I wrote in my last CL post {7/ 11} as that was genuinely how I felt.

But I also give credit where it is due, and the lads deserve the utmost credit over the last few games - Burnley, Bournemouth and Napoli - because in my opinion the team is starting to play like we know they can.

When somebody posts opinions on here that you don't agree with why should it be classed as negative? If I am concerned about the way the team is performing I have every right to say so.

Anyway, well done to the lads tonight. A great performance, and once again, a magic atmosphere in the ground.

9.) 12 Dec 2018 19:42:20
KBL, I never said we would be out of the CL after a poor result so stop deflecting. I was upset with the performance vs PSG and gave my opinion on it. We were poor and that was a fact.

However, It was you who said that we would not make it out of the group after that game. That is negativity and you were wrong and you need to admit that instead of projecting and deflecting.

05 Dec 2018 21:48:00
Well Turf Moor hasn’t been a fun place for us in the past. Plus the lfc of recent seasons would have never come back so strong to win like we did.

Fantastic result and great character shown tonight.

To top it all off we’ve stolen a further march on Chelsea and as I type Utd and arsenal.

87red

1.) 05 Dec 2018 23:55:10
Agree mate quite a lot of us on here have been moaning that we’re not playing the attacking football alike last season but we are in December and only 2 points off possibly the best team of the premier league era we deserve credit for that if we do find some attacking form in the new year then we have a chance if we stay on city’s tails let’s see what happens.

05 Dec 2018 08:07:43
Can we just stop with all this defeatist bullsh@t about city please? It’s boring and pathetic.

We’ve had a fantastic start to the league campaign, I’m sure no one could have asked for better (realistically anyway) . Let’s support the lads and see where the chips fall yes? If you can’t enjoy an undefeated start after 14 games and 11 of those wins, you’ll never be satisfied.

87red

{Ed025's Note - well said 87, liverpool need to concentrate on themselves and not get sidetracked by what city are doing..

2.) 05 Dec 2018 08:33:47
Whilst I agree our campaign start have been nothing short of phenomenal, it is only natural to see how your main rivals are doing. It's hardly pathetic or boring, it's just what most fans do, especially when we are desperate to win the League. Surely you wanted Watford to win last night?

4.) 05 Dec 2018 09:48:47
Yeah, we're still in the first half of the season and already people have given up even though one single game can be the difference between us being 2nd and 1st (should we win tonight) . It's not over until it's over, I fully expect the results to go our way no matter who we play, who cares what City does, we need to concentrate on getting behind our team instead of worrying about another.

There's far too much talk about how untouchable City are right now, what about us? we're also untouchable but there's too much paranoia going on at the moment. Why? I have no idea. It seems there's far too many people who are only happy when they are moaning, we have quite a lot to be excited about, we should be proud of how the team are doing results wise, but as 87 says, many people are throwing in the towel ALREADY! . Every single time City win a game it's bloody guaranteed on here there will be a post saying how good they look and how we have no chance etc etc, it's quite frustrating after god knows how many weeks of it.

I'll think more about City when we play them on the 3rd, until then we should be concentrating on the teams we play next.

5.) 05 Dec 2018 09:51:10
Bang on 87. Yes City are good but so are we. Who’s to say they haven’t peaked too early and we’re not going to run away with it in the second half of the season?
We just don’t know so like you say all we can do is support the lads and enjoy the ride.
It makes me laugh how last season we weren’t going to win anything under Klopp as he has no idea how to set up defensively. Now we have easily the best defence in the league he’s not gung ho enough. Some people will just never be satisfied.

6.) 05 Dec 2018 10:52:55
87 Red, Salah, Bobby’s Blinders - good for you guys, well said. If we beat Burnley and Bournemouth, we will be 1 point above City before they play Chelsea at the Bridge. That’s all we can do, concentrate on winning our games, build the pressure and let City worry about us. Just as a lot of our supporters are getting wound up about City not dropping points, I am sure City and their supporters must be thinking ‘What do we have to do to shake this lot off? ’.

8.) 05 Dec 2018 12:06:20
I am in the positive camp, just saying, but it is still fine for people extoll the virtues of what may turn out to be possibly the most dominant team in Premier League history. Yes there are 24 games to go, and 24 matches to turn them over, but there are also 24 matches for them to pull away and exert their power.

It’s perfectly ok to be a slight bit dismayed at making such a good start and still being second. It’s also fine to be worried that they are just showing the same form of last season with all the same consistencies, while this is new found consistency from us that we have no way to tell how long it lasts. The thought of any team reaching 100 points is crazy, let alone having to reach it to win the league. That’s unfathomable.

Equally, they have been playing with such focus and intensity over the last season and a half that it may catch up with them just as we find our groove and we pick their pockets or even win comfortably as they tail off.

What I’m saying is we are looking very good and very capable of winning, more so than ever in my lifetime as a supporter. I firmly believe we can and in any other era of Premier League football I think this team definitely would. It’s just typical that a country owns a team down the road and has spent a decade building a machine fit for success at the same time as we hit our peak.

10.) 05 Dec 2018 13:46:28
No, spot on there mate. Anyone who can’t be positive about our chances now never will be and you just got to wonder what’s the point in being a supporter in the first place, if that's the case.

It really is an exciting time to be supporter of the club, but that lot down the road are doing their best to crash the party. If I were a neutral i’d be loving it. There hasn’t been a proper title race since 2013/ 14 that went down to the last day so at the very least, let's hope that’s the case (though obviously victory by April would be lovely) .

09 Nov 2018 09:02:48
I’ve seen a few posts further down questioning if Klopp should go if he fails to win something this year. Not for me in any month of Sunday’s.

There will come a point when it becomes a valid question and that for me would be should he fail to win something next season.

Ed2, I have to say I’m surprised how much you deride the fans for trashing players and in the same breath, deride our fan base for supporting Klopp and showing patience in what we’re building towards.

We were so far away from challenging the top of the league when he joined and we are assembling a great team under him but the reality is that city’s squad has an embarrassment or riches outside their starting 11 and we’re not there yet. That will take further investment and time.

I can’t think of a single manager that could come in and deliver that title above Klopp. It’s a tall order in the most competitive top league in the world.

87red

{Ed002's Note - I don’t think the players deserved to be trashed on a weekly fickleness basis. Alexander-Arnold has a good game, he is worth £100M and the future of English football. He has an off week and the fans want that mother out of “our” club as soon as possible. Klopp is responsible and has failed to deliver year in and year out. If the fans are happy with this then there is no problem.}

1.) 09 Nov 2018 09:29:21
It's ridiculous. People has such short memories. Every manager has had the odd embarrassing loss. It is hardly the end of the world. We have qualified for the champions league only 3 times this decade. Twice under Klopp. We are in an excellent position. (Joint 2nd in the league is phenomenal) We are still in control of our champions league group. Beat PSG and we go through. Even if we lose it is still in our hands!

We should not be hounding the players. Get behind the team and support them whatever happens. We have it so good at the moment. imagine if you were supporters of struggling teams. we should all have some perspective. Poor Ed025 is an Everton fan ;)

3.) 09 Nov 2018 11:06:18
Failed to deliver what, exactly, Ed002? Trophies? The league title? Sorry I just don’t see how you have come to the conclusion that he has failed. And given your implication that Liverpool could perhaps do better, who exactly would you suggest?
What more could he have done than he has already? He has improved us year-on-year, and we are a FAR better team and squad than the one he inherited. It is only a matter of time before we win something.
My only gripe with Klopp so far is his regular early exit from the domestic cups, it was also the biggest issue with Benitez as far as I am concerned.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp has failed to deliver any success at Liverpool at all to date - No League Cup, no FA Cup, no Europa League, no Premier league, no Champions League and no Frieght Rover Trophy. I am surprised that comes as a shock to you but feel free to ask about any other plain truths you are struggling with.

I appreciate that Liverpool is in transition as far as you are concerned.}

4.) 09 Nov 2018 11:21:01
No mention of transition whatsoever, your definition of ‘transition’ sounds like many people’s idea of improving the team - year-on-year, I might add.
Compared to where we were in October 2015, we are in a much better place as a team and fan base, and Klopp has got us back to being a Champions League regular again, with a real chance of winning something this season. I would say most fans would describe that as success, not failure. That is a plain truth, something you are, in fact, struggling to see.

{Ed002's Note - No, the owners, the board and the fans want the success of winning, not some vague nonsense about being better. Liverpool must be the only club in the world where fans like you like celebrating being second or losing - but are of course improving each year. It is pretty pitiful to read posts like yours.}

5.) 09 Nov 2018 11:23:52
I agree I don't possibly see how you can say Klopp has failed. We were a mess when he took over. we have improved each yr. yes we have lost 3 cup finals but wait and see where we are when he leaves. if he still hasn't won anything then we can reassess the situation. I don't see anyone saying pochettinto has failed at spurs and klopp has achieved more than him in the same length of them.

7.) 09 Nov 2018 12:18:49
No, Lamborini, Ed002 is not right. He is completely wrong, and clearly prefers to just wind up Liverpool fans on here instead of actually watching us.
Where are Wigan and Swansea now? League 1 and The Championship, respectively? Didn’t Wigan get relegated in the same season as their FA Cup win? That ‘success’ was clearly crucial in improving those club’s fortunes.
It is not that those trophies have no value - they do - but they are not the only determiner of failure or success.

8.) 09 Nov 2018 14:54:12
Makes me laugh people judging Klopp as a Manager who has been heavily invested in. Up until January, without looking at the numbers, I would expect he wasnt far off breaking even in his time here. Yes, there has since been a conscious decision to invest in quality but Can Klopps team really be judged yet given the majority of his expensive buys have been in the last 10 months and also given that as it happens we have currently dropped six points since the start of the season and its mid November. As I recall, City spent quite heavily before not winning the title in Lord Guardiolas first season! Klopp for me gets this season for free and has to win something nest season. Anything more is a bonus!

9.) 09 Nov 2018 12:16:59
Respectfully Ed2, it’s not about celebrating 2nd. It’s about recognising progress and being realistic it takes time to topple a dominant force.

The first few years in terms of competing for the league were about trying to catch up with the quality of Man City and close that gap. Yes we’ve seen some big money spent but at the same time other teams have pumped serious cash, namely Utd and City.

Progress should be recognised. The ultimate goal is to the win the title and as I said at some point Klopp will have to answer for that failure but for me that is at he end of next season.

I agree fans can be fickle about players but they can be equally fickle about Klopp so I don’t understand your issue with a show of support and patience.

{Ed002's Note - Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola? They arrived and they won. Klopp, now relying on fans discounting the first season and trying to justify his failures since then. It is getting rather embarrassing again.}

11.) 10 Nov 2018 15:27:48
I would much rather watch our games than the stuff that is put out at Old Trafford even though they won a couple of trophies a season or two ago.

Klopp has got us to two European finals and the team is continuing to improve.

It’s tough to win the EPL but as long as we compete and give it a good go that’s all we can really ask.

12.) 10 Nov 2018 15:28:59
Maybe if we'd of played Southampton and not City in the carling Cup final, maybe if we'd played ajax and not sevilla in the europa league final, maybe if we played Monaco and not real madrid in the champions league final then things would be very different, fine margins and luck play a major part in football.

Spurs are a much more competitive team under him than in recent years. I think they will inevitably stagnate now unless Levy is willing to properly get his cheque book out.

They’re at a place now where to improve most of their first 11, serious cash is needed and more importantly the serious wages that come along with that. As soon as they pay serious wages, the rest of the current crop like Alli, Eriksson etc will expect to be at least on parity with them.

He’s a young manager who plays attacking football and gives youth players a chance.

87red

{Ed001's Note - he doesn't play attacking football, why do people continue to say that? They have been awful this season. They do not need to spend serious money, they have already spent it on crap like Lucas 'runs very fast and then falls over' Moura and Victor 'the donkey' Wanyama or that imbecile Aurier etc. People make excuses for Poch because the media have their heads up his arse because he is with their golden club Spurs. Poch has won nothing and done nothing to receive this ridiculous adulation.}