You don't find it necessary? Or is it you don't find it possible? Is the simple idea of boasting about the candidate you felt was the best choice that unnerving and nauseating to you?

Lord knows, if I had supported him I'd be sick to my stomach about what he's done so far. As a matter of fact, I didn't support him and I'm still sick to my stomach about what he's done so far. I can't imagine how poorly I'd feel if I actually helped put this wide eared idiot in office.

I stand by what I said.. not necessary. My stomach is just fine BTW!

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July 23rd, 2010, 1:14 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

LionsFan4Life wrote:

m2karateman wrote:

LionsFan4Life wrote:

I'm still around, I just don't feel it necessary to boast about him.

You don't find it necessary? Or is it you don't find it possible? Is the simple idea of boasting about the candidate you felt was the best choice that unnerving and nauseating to you?

Lord knows, if I had supported him I'd be sick to my stomach about what he's done so far. As a matter of fact, I didn't support him and I'm still sick to my stomach about what he's done so far. I can't imagine how poorly I'd feel if I actually helped put this wide eared idiot in office.

I stand by what I said.. not necessary. My stomach is just fine BTW!

So, just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, you like what Barry O has done and is doing? You agree with him?

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July 23rd, 2010, 2:02 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

TheRealWags wrote:

So, just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, you like what Barry O has done and is doing? You agree with him?

For the most part. No president I've ever supported ALWAYS did stuff I agreed with though.

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July 23rd, 2010, 3:11 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

LionsFan4Life wrote:

TheRealWags wrote:

So, just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, you like what Barry O has done and is doing? You agree with him?

For the most part. No president I've ever supported ALWAYS did stuff I agreed with though.

Just what the *#$% has he done well? What has he done right? What has he fixed? Because I can sure as Hell tell you what he's messed up.

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July 24th, 2010, 10:58 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

LionsFan4Life wrote:

TheRealWags wrote:

So, just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, you like what Barry O has done and is doing? You agree with him?

For the most part. No president I've ever supported ALWAYS did stuff I agreed with though.

I think we can all agree with that. The question most of us have is... "What has he done that you actually DO like?" With everything that he has rolled out, he has seemingly screwed up in a lot of peoples minds and definitely did not tell the whole truth or flat out lied. It is hard for many of us, even those who gave him a fair shot... me, to see what he did that even fits the other half of your statement that is implied, "what he as done you agree with." It SEEMS to many of us that EVERYTHING he has done is tainted well enough to make it a negative... and uneeded negative in all cases.

I know I am in the minority on this.. but getting the Health Care reform passed was a BIG deal. It may not be perfect but it's a step in the right direction. Also, his extension of Unemployment benefits I was happy to see too. Gives people who have been struggling to find a job more time to find one before being thrown out onto the streets.

Now, I am not going to argue over what I just stated there. You asked, I answered.

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July 26th, 2010, 1:14 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

LionsFan4Life wrote:

I know I am in the minority on this.. but getting the Health Care reform passed was a BIG deal. It may not be perfect but it's a step in the right direction. Also, his extension of Unemployment benefits I was happy to see too. Gives people who have been struggling to find a job more time to find one before being thrown out onto the streets.

Now, I am not going to argue over what I just stated there. You asked, I answered.

I guess that is what confuses some of us. He did pass VERY big things... no arguments. What most of us don't get is how it's a positive step when there is a cloud of negative things... like over budget issues.

Thanks for not arguing with me steensn, I'm not really a person who likes to argue. I do that enough at home with the wife.. lol

I'll discuss all you like and I understand where you are coming from on the negativity especially with the budget. I still have hope though that it'll get fixed but it'll take both parties coming together to get it done IMO.

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July 26th, 2010, 3:09 pm

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Re: Obama Love Thread

LionsFan4Life wrote:

I still have hope though that it'll get fixed

That is fair, I have no hope in that regard. I see it as the start of a downhill ride.

LionsFan4Life wrote:

but it'll take both parties coming together to get it done IMO.

I can't see it happening as one side is adamantly opposed to the deal in general. That is why I see it as a downhill ride. (not that we haven't been on the ride for longer than Obama has been in office)

I think nothing would have been done which means yes I believe it would be better. I think that no change is better than the continuing push into a debt spiral. Would we move in a positive direction? No, that is why I didn't vote for him either. But I believe a status quo is better than the death sentence Obama gave us in national healthcare, $$$ for recession, etc.

I was on the fence for voting for McCain.. till he picked Palin as his running mate. Can't stand that lady!!

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July 27th, 2010, 8:17 am

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Re: Obama Love Thread

Blueskies:

I do not believe we would have been better off with McCain, although he would not have sold this country out to a European Socialist mindset. I believe that for all of her polarizing abilities, the people the Palin represents, provide a much smarter choice for President. Here's what I mean:

a. Secure Bordersb. Tax Relief (someone created a thread in this section a year or two ago that showed all of the taxes prior to Democratic intervention in the early years of the 20th century, and then compared it to now and showed a dramatic difference.c. Strong Militaryd. Jobse. ILLEGAL alien control

I dont believe Palin would be the choice because she's been demonized by the media to the point where the belief is that she is incapable of leading. However, she has more experience in LEADERSHIP than our fearless organizer. A nation like the U.S. does not need a leadership by committee or czars, or polls, it needs a leader that will act in the best interest of the U.S. and we as a country need to demonstrate grace in spite of their mistakes.

With Obamrade, you have an organizer that is doing his level best to erase borders in this hemisphere, and with his organ grinder pelosi and her monkey reid, they are strong arming the legislation to do what they want, in spite of the will of the people.

Now as November approaches and the heat from their actions have NOT died down, and the evidence is showing that America will take it's control of leadership back, they are turning up the heat on HOT button issues to insight the masses to the polls.

This president has proven to be as bad at his job, as Trainrex was at being the qb for Chicago. Hmm and they both came from the same city, coincidence?

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July 27th, 2010, 8:45 am

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Re: Obama Love Thread

Quote:

Here's what I mean:

a. Secure Bordersb. Tax Relief (someone created a thread in this section a year or two ago that showed all of the taxes prior to Democratic intervention in the early years of the 20th century, and then compared it to now and showed a dramatic difference.c. Strong Militaryd. Jobse. ILLEGAL alien control

Prior to the recent Arizona law, McCain was fairly moderate on immigration, even supporting some form of amnesty. He's only changed his tune because his constituency changed. If he had won the presidency and hence had a national constituency, I think its logical to assume that he would still be fairly moderate on immigration. So cross off (a) and (e).

For b--you can cut all the taxes you want, it won't matter if you don't cut the spending. I've posted that a million times on this board, and its something that run of the million conservatives still fail to grasp. If you cut the taxes and run a huge deficit the government has to either borrow the money or print it. If it borrows it, it raises the general interest rate, which means that American citizens have to pay more for loans--a hidden tax. If it prints it, it (eventually) causes inflation which means everything will cost more--again, hidden tax.

Since McCain supported the wall street bailout, our super expensive foreign policy, and some form of stimulus (though he may have opposed the exact terms of the reinvestment act) I think its safe to say that we'd still be spending almost as much money.

For c--is our military not strong enough?

Finally, d--McCain wasn't going to approach this recession any different that Obama, except maybe extending the Bush tax cuts, and possibly passing a smaller stimulus package. That's not going to speed up our recovery. Hence, no jobs.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say "Well McCain sucks too so Obama isn't so bad!" Not at all. Just that McCain really didn't provide much of a difference over Obama. Which is to say that the problem lies with the entire system in general.

The only real difference I can see is that McCain probably wouldn't have passed anything like Obama's health care legislation, however, that legislation is similar to prior Republican suggestions for health care reform, so who knows.

July 28th, 2010, 2:23 am

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Re: Obama Love Thread

not to put words in devil doc's post, but i did not get the idea that he was out lining Mcain's postion. the way i read his post is, he discounted Mcain right off the bat and went right to Sarah Palin's political postions and those of her supporters.

Mcain is a political opertunist, it's about progressive policy and power..just in smaller dose's than what chairman Barrak has in mind.Mcain got more than he bargained for with palin, he thought he was getting a pretty young govenor from the sticks, who would smile and wave and tow the party line..

i lived in Alaska for 7 years..carrer politicans like Murkowski and Steven's are the exception and not the rule..Alaskans in general are some of the most fiercely independant politicaly active people i have ever had the pleasure to meet. and traditional values tend to be equally shared by both those who call themselve republicans and democrats.. by and large they are staunch conservitives. it's just the nature of the enviroment they live in. so Palin was no surprise to me.. most of the state she came from is just like her.