I read a book a while back in which a woman dressed up in a convincing-enough male persona that she was able to infiltrate many male-only bastions of society. One of these was a strip club, and she mentioned that the goal of lap dances was for the guy to have an orgasm. I didn't realize there were legions of guys leaving these places with sticky pants, and I brought it up to my husband, whose reaction was "gross." Then again, he loathes strip clubs and hasn't been to one since his own bachelor party (his best friend's bachelor party, a year later, involved college football and poker instead of strippers), but I figure it happens more often than not nonetheless.

After reading this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487482), I figured I'd ask the question here and find out how often it happens. It doesn't bother me in the context of my own relationship, because I am much more bothered by emotional infidelity than physical, and don't feel the need to worry much about either with my husband, but I'm wondering how many women think a lap dance is just a little bit of bump and grind when actually it's quite a bit more. So, what really goes on in the strip clubs?

askeptic

10-12-2008, 01:23 PM

Years ago when I was in the military I often went to strip clubs, never had an orgasm or even heard of anybody having one with one exception, this 18 year old kid who had never had a girlfriend or any relationship with a woman, popped his cork when a dancer sat on his lap to discuss the fee for a lap dance.

DianaG

10-12-2008, 01:35 PM

One of these was a strip club, and she mentioned that the goal of lap dances was for the guy to have an orgasm.
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that the goal of the lap dances is for strippers to make money.

lobotomyboy63

10-12-2008, 01:36 PM

If a guy can have a wet dream, why not this? Purely psychological stimulation alone can provoke an orgasm.

As for incidence of it happening in strip clubs, I got nothing. I don't go to them but even if I did, I would think the embarrassment and self-consciousness would override the erotic stimulation. If you're linking to Doperchic's thread, that was in a private dance situation...still, nah, not me. If it happened by accident, that would be the end of the evening for sure; I'd be "soiled." :eek:

Q-What's the lightest thing in the world?
A-A penis. You can lift it with just a thought.
~Old joke

Ephemera

10-12-2008, 01:43 PM

I can't imagine getting one only from a lapdance unless it was from a girlfriend or someone I was really into. Some random person wouldn't really get me that excited.

Lobsang

10-12-2008, 01:44 PM

I'd tell you if I'd ever had one! I'd probably feel two emotions - Guilt and Awkwardness. The arousal would be unavoidable, but that would only add to the guilt and awkwardnes.

Don't fight the hypothetical

10-12-2008, 01:45 PM

Highly skeptical that a lap dance could lead to orgasm.

astro

10-12-2008, 01:52 PM

That a guy would actually blow his load with nipple sucking and grinding alone speaks to some level of premature ejaculation issues or a hair trigger adolescent. I have even heard of men coming to orgasm with no direct touching whatsoever. It's unusual, but it happens.

Not to be too graphic, but substantial seminal fluid leakage and wet pants due to stimulation is much, much easier to believe. I'm not sure strippers are making that fine a distinction re "wet pantsing" a man due to a man soaking his underwear with pre-cum vs orgasming.

bufftabby

10-12-2008, 02:36 PM

I'd tell you if I'd ever had one! I'd probably feel two emotions - Guilt and Awkwardness. The arousal would be unavoidable, but that would only add to the guilt and awkwardnes.

You've never had an orgasm? :eek:

;)

Paul in Qatar

10-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Gross.

Lobsang

10-12-2008, 02:53 PM

You've never had an orgasm? :eek:

;)

Nope, twenty nine years old. What is this orgasm thing anyway.

:D

Autolycus

10-12-2008, 03:42 PM

what is this orgasm anyway?

It's like the pleasures of receiving a back rub, eating a hot fudge sundae, and sneezing, all at once. :D

PunditLisa

10-12-2008, 03:58 PM

You know after the "Ask me about gay bathroom sex" thread (a la Sen. Craig), I've come to the conclusion that some men have no shame as it relates to their penises.

astro

10-12-2008, 04:14 PM

You know after the "Ask me about gay bathroom sex" thread (a la Sen. Craig), I've come to the conclusion that some men have no shame as it relates to their penises.

...as opposed to the discreet "What the heck is this stuff coming out of my vagina?" menstruation threads.

What Exit?

10-12-2008, 05:14 PM

Back when I use to go I don't recall clubs having lap dances. About the most contact back then was slipping a dollar bill into a g-string and feeling her butt briefly or getting your face buried in the girl’s breasts. Especially with the old rolled up bill in your mouth way of tipping. Lap dances seem to have come along after I was married. Even my bachelor party at a go-go place was nothing more than I already described. Good thing too as my soon to be BIL & FIL were there.
BTW: the juice clubs, which had full nudity, had no contact at all. In San Diego the club Pacers had topless but no contact. Tipping was only allowed when their tops were on.

There was one time in Thailand (I was in the Navy) where I got what I guess would count as a lap dance. The girl was in my lap, hugging and squirming on my penis with only my Levis in between. She was doing her best to convince me to go to the back with her and I could see where 15-20 minutes of what she was doing would have resulted in sticky pants. I don't think it would have been a case of premature ejaculation. I would equate it to be masturbated.

How long do lap dances last?

Jim (Did I really just post that?)

Freudian Slit

10-12-2008, 05:20 PM

My question is, would you really need to dress up as a guy in order to go to a strip club and observe lap dances? I've been, and I didn't need an ace bandage and a banana before they let me in.

Huerta88

10-12-2008, 05:40 PM

My question is, would you really need to dress up as a guy in order to go to a strip club and observe lap dances? I've been, and I didn't need an ace bandage and a banana before they let me in.

I dunno, maybe she would argue that strippers behave differently when they know there are female patrons in the club.

Telperien

10-12-2008, 05:47 PM

It's like the pleasures of receiving a back rub, eating a hot fudge sundae, and sneezing, all at once. :D

But very slightly less messy.

msmith537

10-12-2008, 05:55 PM

It happens, but it generally takes more than one song and the stripper has to generally be pretty aggressive. Like practically giving you and hand job through your trousers aggressive.

DigitalC

10-12-2008, 05:55 PM

How long do lap dances last?

Jim (Did I really just post that?)

One song. Strippers are in no way shape or form trying to get you off during a lap dance. Now some of them may do "extras" like a prostitute would but thats not really a lap dance anymore. The guy in the other thread had a stripper grinding on his crotch for 20 mins, thats not a lap dance thats a happy ending and im sure it cost a lot more than a regular lap dance would have. Most guys will never get off from a lap dance, because the girls aren't really trying to get you off. They will sit on your lap for a little while, straddle you, maybe dance in front of you while leaning over you, or squirm on the ground in front of you, but they are most certainly not grinding away on your dick trying to get you off.

What Exit?

10-12-2008, 06:00 PM

One song. Strippers are in no way shape or form trying to get you off during a lap dance. Now some of them may do "extras" like a prostitute would but thats not really a lap dance anymore. The guy in the other thread had a stripper grinding on his crotch for 20 mins, thats not a lap dance thats a happy ending and im sure it cost a lot more than a regular lap dance would have. Most guys will never get off from a lap dance, because the girls aren't really trying to get you off. They will sit on your lap for a little while, straddle you, maybe dance in front of you while leaning over you, or squirm on the ground in front of you, but they are most certainly not grinding away on your dick trying to get you off.

OK, that makes sense 3-5 minutes would need some additional circumstances to explain an orgasm.

drastic_quench

10-12-2008, 06:00 PM

Adam Corolla ranted about this subject years ago on the LoveLine radio show. Basically, he was equally astonished to learn that apparently some men (likely the very young and premature ejaculators) were capable of achieving orgasm from a lap dance. He rightfully speculated that the percentage of men capable of this was very low. He then went on to hypothesize about the state of prostitution if more men possessed this ability. Essentially, the result would be cheap, legal, and safe prostitution - and wouldn't it be nice if every john only had to pay a cover charge and a dance fee and run their shorts through the laundry.

Rubystreak

10-12-2008, 06:12 PM

I saw an episode of G-String Divas on HBO where the stripper apparently got the guy off from a regular, fairly brief, lap dance. She seemed pretty surprised and grossed out about it. That makes me think that, while it may happen to guys with light triggers, it is by no means the goal of a lap dance, and the dancers aren't trying to make it happen.

msmith537

10-12-2008, 06:23 PM

OK, that makes sense 3-5 minutes would need some additional circumstances to explain an orgasm.

Have you ever gone to a club and one of your buddies gets like 5 lap dances in a row? 'nough said.

Huerta88

10-12-2008, 06:25 PM

I saw an episode of G-String Divas on HBO where the stripper apparently got the guy off from a regular, fairly brief, lap dance. She seemed pretty surprised and grossed out about it. That makes me think that, while it may happen to guys with light triggers, it is by no means the goal of a lap dance, and the dancers aren't trying to make it happen.

If nothing else, it kind of puts the kibosh on the revenue stream from a guy who over the course of the night would be willing to call her back over for five or six more.

Orr, G.

10-12-2008, 06:25 PM

A friend of mine (no, really) tells me that some men will wear lubricated condoms inside-out in order to reach orgasm from the sort of grinding that one can often expect at strip clubs. I suppose these guys would pop (hehe) for the longer VIP dances upstairs rather than just the lap dance for one song on the couch in the back of the room.

DanBlather

10-12-2008, 06:29 PM

I think men who go to strip clubs on a regular basis do it more for the "emotional contact" (fake as it may be) rather than the sex itself.

Satellite^Guy

10-12-2008, 06:30 PM

To add my thoughts on the subject, of course a dancer's goal isn't for the man to have an orgasm, because that would mean he's done, and she won't get any more money from him. Her goal would be to keep him turned on enough for him to agree to "just one more song", at, say, $10-$20 (can't remember how much it was.. it's been that long ago) per song.

S^G

Huerta88

10-12-2008, 06:30 PM

I think men who go to strip clubs on a regular basis do it more for the "emotional contact" (fake as it may be) rather than the sex itself.

Long a theory of mine. "Hey, that pretty girl was just attentive and nice to me! That never happens anywhere else!"

vandal

10-12-2008, 08:10 PM

To answer the title question, a lapdance has never ended in an orgasm for me. And, I've received my fair share of lapdances. The same could be said for my friends and most other guys I have talked to about it.

msmith537

10-12-2008, 08:38 PM

Long a theory of mine. "Hey, that pretty girl was just attentive and nice to me! That never happens anywhere else!"

I think men who go to strip clubs on a regular basis do it more for the "emotional contact" (fake as it may be) rather than the sex itself.

First of all there generally isn't sex.

Second, I'm pretty sure both your theories are incorrect for most men in the clubs. It's more of a male ego escapist thing. They want to roll up with their boys, throw some money around and hang with a bunch of hot Russian girls who won't give any lip. These are your more high end NYC clubs though. We used to go to clubs back in college out in rural PA and the dudes in there where pretty darn scary weird.

Freudian Slit

10-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Second, I'm pretty sure both your theories are incorrect for most men in the clubs. It's more of a male ego escapist thing. They want to roll up with their boys, throw some money around and hang with a bunch of hot Russian girls who won't give any lip. These are your more high end NYC clubs though. We used to go to clubs back in college out in rural PA and the dudes in there where pretty darn scary weird.

Aww, 'cause see, I think the funnest part of hanging out with random dudes in bars/clubs is saying the most outrageous crap I can and getting away with it. Of course, they never seem to mind much either. Hmm.

msmith537

10-12-2008, 08:56 PM

Aww, 'cause see, I think the funnest part of hanging out with random dudes in bars/clubs is saying the most outrageous crap I can and getting away with it. Of course, they never seem to mind much either. Hmm.

Oh I agree (if I understand you correctly). I'd much rather have an innane conversation with real people I meet in a bar than have some striper try to have a "deep" conversation with me in her broken Ukrainian accent in an attempt to get me to spend some cash on her.

gaffa

10-12-2008, 10:08 PM

A friend of mine (no, really) tells me that some men will wear lubricated condoms inside-out in order to reach orgasm from the sort of grinding that one can often expect at strip clubs. I suppose these guys would pop (hehe) for the longer VIP dances upstairs rather than just the lap dance for one song on the couch in the back of the room.
That doesn't sound very credible. You put one on while erect. Then you go limp while driving to the club, paying the cover, getting seated, etc. The lubricated condom bunches up. If you start to get erect again, the odds of the condom correctly unrolling are pretty slim. The odds of a pubic hair getting caught in the condom are very high.

Orr, G.

10-12-2008, 11:03 PM

A friend of mine (no, really) tells me that some men will wear lubricated condoms inside-out in order to reach orgasm from the sort of grinding that one can often expect at strip clubs. I suppose these guys would pop (hehe) for the longer VIP dances upstairs rather than just the lap dance for one song on the couch in the back of the room.

That doesn't sound very credible. You put one on while erect. Then you go limp while driving to the club, paying the cover, getting seated, etc. The lubricated condom bunches up. If you start to get erect again, the odds of the condom correctly unrolling are pretty slim. The odds of a pubic hair getting caught in the condom are very high.

You may be right, and in any case it's a FOAF story. My experience with condom use is pretty minimal and more like the scene from The 40 Year Old Virgin than anything else, and I haven't had either the courage or the inclination to try that trick at a club myself.

I suppose someone could circumvent the problems you mention with viagra and/or a well-timed trip to the men's room, though. On the other hand, if it were a common and effective practice, someone else in this thread probably would have come across, er, heard of, it too.

Apollyon

10-12-2008, 11:24 PM

Guys: How often does a lap dance end in orgasm?IME... never.... so far.... I feel that more rigorous experimentation may be needed before achieving a definitive answer. :)

Little Nemo

10-12-2008, 11:51 PM

I used to go to strip clubs and I've had a number of lap dances. I never had an orgasm during any of them. Not even that time in St Catherines when two strippers performed a live twenty minute lesbian sex show on my lap.

Heffalump and Roo

10-13-2008, 12:15 AM

I used to go to strip clubs and I've had a number of lap dances. I never had an orgasm during any of them. Not even that time in St Catherines when two strippers performed a live twenty minute lesbian sex show on my lap.
:confused: Is St short for Saint?

You were in Saint Catherines experiencing a lesbian sex show? :dubious:

Little Nemo

10-13-2008, 01:26 AM

You were in Saint Catherines experiencing a lesbian sex show?Yes.

To clear up any confusion this is the Saint Catharines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Catharines) I'm talking about. It's a small blue-collar city in southern Ontario.

DLuxN8R-13

10-13-2008, 05:07 AM

You know after the "Ask me about gay bathroom sex" thread (a la Sen. Craig), I've come to the conclusion that some men have no shame as it relates to their penises.

You mean you've just now figured this out?

Sublight

10-13-2008, 05:24 AM

I've received a few lap dances, but orgasm was definitely not going to happen.

However, while I was receiving one, I (and everyone in the vicinity) heard the girl in the next curtained-off nook saying
"Wait, did you... omigod, you CAME? CAN WE GET SOME TOWELS OVER HERE?"

By the time the stripper and I both stopped laughing, our time was up.

The Weird One

10-13-2008, 11:46 AM

I've seen it happen. I've gone to a few strip clubs with my boyfriend, and at one of them the "private dance" turned into a handjob through his jeans. Result: sticky jeans and a hefty tab. We were both surprised by the handjob, since he hadn't asked for anything special and I was sitting right next to him (admittedly grinning like a fox).

Jackknifed Juggernaut

10-13-2008, 12:10 PM

In the not-so-classy establishments that allow some degree of privacy, it's quite common. I only know because pretty much everything has been offered to me in these situations. One local place had curtains, so that no one could see what's actually going on inside. A subset of dancers supplement their income this way. Some of them do it as part of the dance, with no additional charge. I think their goal is to get "repeat customers". Think about it. If you're into that sort of thing, why would you risk NOT getting the "full service" with another dancer, when you know that you will with this one. Just for the record, I've never allowed them to go further than a traditional dance. It's just icky.

Earthworm Jim

10-13-2008, 12:31 PM

Thanks to a recent string of bachelor parties, some of the girls at the local jiggly-room got to talking with us a little more casually than they might otherwise. The place is dimly lit at best, with lots of black lights, and the chairs were festooned with spots that glow. One of the girls commented that the glowing spots were semen. (She said something like "Yeah, it's cum. It's all over everything.") A quick survey revealed that there wasn't a chair in the place that didn't have some luminescent goodness on it somewhere.

I don't know if that's accurate, but the girls seem to think someone is spooging in there. Make of that what you will...

Cervaise

10-13-2008, 12:43 PM

Shit, I don't even get a boner.

Heffalump and Roo

10-13-2008, 12:45 PM

One of the girls commented that the glowing spots were semen.
Eeew! Are all their customers aliens? (or maybe earthworms? slime. . . get it? :p OK, OK, I'll stop)

But why does it glow?

DrDeth

10-13-2008, 12:48 PM

I've seen it happen. I've gone to a few strip clubs with my boyfriend, and at one of them the "private dance" turned into a handjob through his jeans. Result: sticky jeans and a hefty tab. We were both surprised by the handjob, since he hadn't asked for anything special and I was sitting right next to him (admittedly grinning like a fox).

Yes, that happens once in a while in the "private rooms". A public straight up lapdance came result in a male orgasm, but it's rare. Some clubs have porno booths off somehwere where the guys can finish.

malkavia

10-13-2008, 01:02 PM

Having been to a few strip clubs, I've seen some activity that certainly looked like it was going to lead to ejaculation.

In most strip clubs, I would assume that sort of thing happens in the vip room.. but we have a club in central Phoenix that is small, trashy and there is no vip room. There are chairs in every dark corner and I've noticed strippers going a bit beyond the standard wriggling to full on dry humping and even this interesting move where she kinda uses her knee/shin to rub his crotch for an extended period of time.

Not being male, I'm not sure if this leads to orgasm for them, but I've certainly orgasmed from dry humping before so I'm betting it's possible.

I've often thought that black light seemed a bit too CSI for a strip club. I do NOT wanna know why the streaky stains on the wall only start at seated dick height. Ick, ick.

But why does it glow?
Lots of stuff glows under black light. I haven't done a fully controlled experiment to verify semen is one of those substances, but again the point was that some of the girls believe it's happening.

msmith537

10-13-2008, 09:03 PM

Actually, one thing I do like doing is seeing if I can throw a stripper off her "game". For example, she's all getting set to give me a lapdance and she has her serious suduction face on and I'm all pretending like I'm one of those dopey guys totally into her shit and next thing she knows, she turns around and I'm wearing fake Austin Powers retard teeth.

Freudian Slit

10-13-2008, 09:09 PM

Oh I agree (if I understand you correctly). I'd much rather have an innane conversation with real people I meet in a bar than have some striper try to have a "deep" conversation with me in her broken Ukrainian accent in an attempt to get me to spend some cash on her.

Well, I just meant that you were saying that guys seem to enjoy hanging out with girls who don't give them any lip...whenever I meet random guys in bars, I like to say things that are weird and/or offensive/rude just because I can.

Mr. Excellent

10-13-2008, 11:09 PM

Actually, one thing I do like doing is seeing if I can throw a stripper off her "game". For example, she's all getting set to give me a lapdance and she has her serious suduction face on and I'm all pretending like I'm one of those dopey guys totally into her shit and next thing she knows, she turns around and I'm wearing fake Austin Powers retard teeth.

Hahaha - my friend, that is kind of awesome. I imagine there are some stripper who'd be pissed - but quite a few more who'd find it hilarious. And, honestly, who doesn't want their work life to be more surreal?

cainxinth

10-14-2008, 01:13 AM

Actually, one thing I do like doing is seeing if I can throw a stripper off her "game". For example, she's all getting set to give me a lapdance and she has her serious suduction face on and I'm all pretending like I'm one of those dopey guys totally into her shit and next thing she knows, she turns around and I'm wearing fake Austin Powers retard teeth.

Lol

I prefer a wizard's hat (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/bloodninja)

Zeriel

10-14-2008, 10:41 AM

First of all there generally isn't sex.

Second, I'm pretty sure both your theories are incorrect for most men in the clubs. It's more of a male ego escapist thing. They want to roll up with their boys, throw some money around and hang with a bunch of hot Russian girls who won't give any lip. These are your more high end NYC clubs though. We used to go to clubs back in college out in rural PA and the dudes in there where pretty darn scary weird.

I second this. Hell, depending on where in Rural PA, the GIRLS are pretty darn scary.

As a side note, no matter what your fraternity brothers tell you, all strip clubs are NOT the same and you gotta go to one to get the experience.

A second side note: If the cover at Miss Lindsay's near Harrisburg was $1, it'd still be too expensive. =P

Really Not All That Bright

10-14-2008, 10:55 AM

I can't imagine how it would be possible to nut during a lap dance; [possibly TMI] I have a hard enough time coming during oral sex [/PTMI]

That said, I knew a girl in high school who had a thing for de-virginizing boys, and she said a couple of them had ejaculated while touching her, prior to any direct contact.

AHunter3

10-14-2008, 11:50 AM

I read a book a while back in which a woman dressed up in a convincing-enough male persona that she was able to infiltrate many male-only bastions of society.

Self-Made Man, right?

So, what really goes on in the strip clubs?

Never been lapdanced and didn't know what one was until a couple years ago. (Did pole dances and lap dances evolve only since the late 1970s? It's not what strippers did when I checked strip clubs out after coming of age. Would have fit in, just not what they did.)

Incubus

10-14-2008, 11:57 AM

I find that pretty surprising. Like others have said, I guess its possible if its a guy with a real hair trigger or something. I've been to several strip clubs over the years and had a couple of lap dances. They generally last the duration of one 'song'.

The only time I got remotely excited from the whole deal was at a club in Acapulco, I was drunk and I'm pretty sure in Mexico they don't have a whole lot of rules as to what the strippers can and can't do (or where you draw the line between a stripper and prostitute- considering at this place you could kick over some greenbacks to take a shower with the stripper naked)

Zeriel

10-14-2008, 12:02 PM

I guess to answer the actual question of the thread--it'd probably be possible with multiple songs, but it doesn't strike me as the point. Never happened to me yet and I'm in the kind of marriage where my wife is buying the lap dances.

StickyPants

10-15-2010, 09:19 AM

Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but in reading this thread I see some of the most adorably innocent (or clueless) posts.

I am going to give you the TRUTH about strip clubs and orgasms.

First my background and qualifications:

I visited a strip club for the first time in 1984 on a trip to Vegas. Later, when I moved to Hollywood and started making good money in the film industry, I began visiting the clubs more after - that was around 1993. You could call me a "club regular" from about 1993 to 2002. Strip clubs have somewhat lost their appeal for me over the past decade, though I still visit now and then.

Also, I have over the years dated several strippers and/or become their friends. I've discussed this particular subject with them often, and I will be presenting that here as well as my own observations and experiences.

My History with Lap Dances

In the mid 1990s, in order to get my union card (film industry), I was forced to take a job at night - long night hours ended any form of social life I had. With a lot of excess money, I found myself gravitating toward strip clubs for some semblance of human social interaction - these clubs are open till 4 AM on weekends, and that fit my work schedule.

For the record, these were full nude clubs. The kind of lap dances and atmosphere at full nude clubs is MARKEDLY different from topless only clubs (if the former, no alcohol is served, while alcohol IS served in the topless and bikini venues). I will discuss the implications here later.

While at first I only tipped at the stage, eventually I met a nice girl and she talked me into a lap dance... and I had one or two. It was nice just feeling the girl against me, and we'd talk afterwords for some time.

At this point, it never occurred to me that someone COULD even have an orgasm in a lap dance, though I certainly became aroused from these.

But then, a couple years later it happened. I got a lap dance from a hot young girl who was utterly freaky... She didn't just wiggle in my lap, she pounded her naked cootchie into my crotch - I was not only immediately aroused, but the way she was rubbing her private area against my increasingly erect penis, is almost felt as if we were having sex. About half way into the second song, I had one of the most intense orgasms I remember.

That changed lap dances for me forever. It finally made sense why someone would pay $200 for a half hour worth of dances.

IT IS SAFE SEX.

I became something of a lap dance addict after that. And eventually, started dating a dancer as well.

Along the way, I learned a few things which I'll list here:

Not all girls will do the grind to orgasm - and this typically only happens in the full nude places, and is much less likely in the topless/alcohol serving places. There's a reason for this: the topless/alcohol places make their money serving alcohol for the most part. The full nude places make their money taking a substantial cut from each lap dance. The full nude places, then, are targeted at selling lap dances.

Many girls find it "gross" when a guy cums in his pants. Some girls seem to be really into it on the other hand. Regardless, It is important to tip them well for this service.

A tip to find girls that are good "grinders", is to watch them on stage - the good ones tend to touch themselves, especially around their coochie, when dancing on stage. (double tip, these are also the girls that are more likely to offer "extras".)

And on to extras: Yes, in SOME clubs you can get much MORE than a lap dance. In the "VIP" room of some clubs you can get anything from hand jobs to oral sex or even full intercourse in some cases (for the right price of course).

And some girls may let you know you can see them outside the club (typically for a fee or course) once they develop some trust with you.

And as I mentioned before, it is certainly possible to date a dance as a regular girlfriend - though I should ALSO say that they have told me that *had* I had an orgasm with them in the club, they would never have seen me outside the club in a social setting.

For me when I was into it, it typically took a good dancer two to three songs. If you go to a club looking for this, here are some tips:

It needs to be a full nude club, or at least a club that makes its money off of full contact lap dances.

First and foremost, treat the girl kindly and with respect!!!

Be CLEAN, freshly showered and wear soft clothes. Dockers are good pants, and a nice pullover shirt (all cotton). Set sharp objects (your keys) jackets with zippers etc aside - you don't want the girl to injure herself (or you) - and you want ot be as inviting as possible.

MAKE SURE your PANTS are very dark, preferably black. If you have an orgasm in your pants, you don't want to have visible stains as you are leaving. Seriously.

Wear boxer shorts, not tightie whities. You need the loose fit of boxers. You may prefer silk boxers.

You might find best results by "adjusting" yourself so that your erection points down for a better sensation. This also makes it easier for the girl to stroke it with her leg.

While it is possible to put a condom on first to keep your pants clean, I found it tends to fall off - instead I just go straight or the mens room to clean up.

I personally have never done the "extras" even if offered - the main attraction to me was a safe, no fluids exchanged, sexual experience.

Some clubs have rules about "grinding back" others don't. If you grind back at the girl, you'll find out immediately if she's into it - if she is, go with it - if not, then don't get any more dances from her.

And as mentioned before, you need to find a girl who knows *how* to get a guy off. Another clue is to watch them with another guy in a lap dance, and see how it goes for them.

I hope this answers the questions and speculations in this thread. If there are responses, I have subscribed to this thread and will respond as possible.

Have fun!

;)

control-z

10-15-2010, 10:21 AM

I could see it happening if the guy was feeling ultra-horny and the girl and the dance was just right. But a routine occurrence, no.

purplehorseshoe

10-15-2010, 10:42 AM

Do zombies have orgasms, too?

blanx

10-15-2010, 11:25 AM

Do zombies have orgasms, too?
Well, of course they do, silly.

They come their BRAAAAIIIIINNNNNNSSSSS out.

diku

10-15-2010, 03:32 PM

Do they give lapdances?

Really Not All That Bright

10-15-2010, 03:39 PM

They haven't got laps.

Little Nemo

10-15-2010, 04:59 PM

Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but in reading this thread I see some of the most adorably innocent (or clueless) posts.

I am going to give you the TRUTH about strip clubs and orgasms.Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. But keep in mind that your personal experiences are not necessarily universal.

Kelby

10-15-2010, 05:20 PM

I have several friends, both married and not, who enjoy going to high-end strip clubs once or twice a year and participating in the lap dance option. I know this because the subject is given high priority and is almost immediately brought up when the group is together over beers or golf.

Now admittedly I may be somewhat of a prude, but am always surprised at the enthusiasm with which they relate their salacious tales, seeming to give them the same weight as they would a notable acomplishment in sports or in the workplace. It seems to me paying hundreds of dollars (yep) to see naked women dance and frolic around in your proximity would fall under the category of things you decide to do when drunk and regret later, not those you set out to do and are proud of.

I have heard lap dances described in great detail, but none has had a happy ending for any of them. However, some of these women appear to be quite talented at wooing the men into thinking they have some other, nonprofessional interest in them. I'm amazed.

One friend, a retired social worker and one of the smartest guys I know, proudly showed me an email address he obtained from one of the dancers he had met and talked with...he related that she was hoping to become a teacher or therapist and was going to contact him for advice about navigating college.

You'd think these guys had never seen a real boob before, but that's not true, of course. I think it may be partially true that probably none of them, regular guys, had ever been that close to a naked young woman who could be considered very attractive, but I don't know for sure.

Giraffe

10-15-2010, 05:51 PM

I didn't realize there were legions of guys leaving these places with sticky pants, and I brought it up to my husband, whose reaction was "gross."
This was my exact reaction upon reading the thread title. I'm sure it happens, of course, but that doesn't make it less nasty.

Little Nemo

10-15-2010, 09:10 PM

I have several friends, both married and not, who enjoy going to high-end strip clubs once or twice a year and participating in the lap dance option. I know this because the subject is given high priority and is almost immediately brought up when the group is together over beers or golf.

Now admittedly I may be somewhat of a prude, but am always surprised at the enthusiasm with which they relate their salacious tales, seeming to give them the same weight as they would a notable acomplishment in sports or in the workplace. It seems to me paying hundreds of dollars (yep) to see naked women dance and frolic around in your proximity would fall under the category of things you decide to do when drunk and regret later, not those you set out to do and are proud of.

I have heard lap dances described in great detail, but none has had a happy ending for any of them. However, some of these women appear to be quite talented at wooing the men into thinking they have some other, nonprofessional interest in them. I'm amazed.

One friend, a retired social worker and one of the smartest guys I know, proudly showed me an email address he obtained from one of the dancers he had met and talked with...he related that she was hoping to become a teacher or therapist and was going to contact him for advice about navigating college.

You'd think these guys had never seen a real boob before, but that's not true, of course. I think it may be partially true that probably none of them, regular guys, had ever been that close to a naked young woman who could be considered very attractive, but I don't know for sure.We're not idiots. We understand that the women in strip clubs aren't really overwhelmed by our charm. But they're willing to pretend that they think we're the best thing they've ever laid eyes on. And we enjoy the illusion that a bunch of attractive women think we're irresistible. Customers and strippers alike are in on the game and everyone's getting something they want.

SeaDragonTattoo

10-15-2010, 09:19 PM

The "advice" posted today makes me want to wash my hands just from touching the keyboard, and contemplate taking a shower.

Ew. And - zombie spooge. Ew.

Der Trihs

10-15-2010, 09:49 PM

The "advice" posted today makes me want to wash my hands just from touching the keyboard, and contemplate taking a shower.

Ew. And - zombie spooge. Ew.
Zombies: "Spooooooooge!

BigT

10-15-2010, 09:56 PM

The "advice" posted today makes me want to wash my hands just from touching the keyboard, and contemplate taking a shower.

Ew. And - zombie spooge. Ew.
Zombies: "Spooooooooge!

Did anyone else automatically imagine a porno spoof where that would make perfect sense? Barely dead looking women who are trying to have sex with our heroes. They are both attracted to them, but know that, if they give in, they will become zombies, too, as that's how they spread.

The zombie virus is a sexually transmitted disease.

And, yes, you'd get the guy who had abstained but accidentally gotten a little splooge from a male zombie, and would slowly turn and have to be killed.

SeaDragonTattoo

10-15-2010, 10:13 PM

zombies: "spooooooooge!

did anyone else automatically imagine a porno spoof where that would make perfect sense? Barely dead looking women who are trying to have sex with our heroes. They are both attracted to them, but know that, if they give in, they will become zombies, too, as that's how they spread.

The zombie virus is a sexually transmitted disease.

And, yes, you'd get the guy who had abstained but accidentally gotten a little splooge from a male zombie, and would slowly turn and have to be killed.

Awesome!! I would watch that movie.

Declan

10-16-2010, 01:51 AM

You'd think these guys had never seen a real boob before, but that's not true, of course. I think it may be partially true that probably none of them, regular guys, had ever been that close to a naked young woman who could be considered very attractive, but I don't know for sure.

If its a strip joint, its probably and aftermarket boob and not an OEM.

Just sayin

Declan

Der Trihs

10-16-2010, 01:56 AM

Zombies: "Spooooooooge!

Did anyone else automatically imagine a porno spoof where that would make perfect sense? Barely dead looking women who are trying to have sex with our heroes. They are both attracted to them, but know that, if they give in, they will become zombies, too, as that's how they spread.

The zombie virus is a sexually transmitted disease.Girl #1: "Didn't you find anything suspicious about drooling guys shambling around and trying to grab you while moaning 'spoooge'?"

Girl #2: "I just figured they were fraternity guys."

Sevastopol

10-16-2010, 07:40 AM

Gross.Score!

Captain_C

10-16-2010, 12:01 PM

Zombies: "Spooooooooge!

Did anyone else automatically imagine a porno spoof where that would make perfect sense? Barely dead looking women who are trying to have sex with our heroes. They are both attracted to them, but know that, if they give in, they will become zombies, too, as that's how they spread.

The zombie virus is a sexually transmitted disease.

And, yes, you'd get the guy who had abstained but accidentally gotten a little splooge from a male zombie, and would slowly turn and have to be killed.

I have bad news for you, but I've seen something very similar online. You can probably find it if you google for "zombie porn", but I would advise against it.

enomaj

10-16-2010, 12:15 PM

This one time, at a strip club, a stripper said, "I've made every guy I danced for (today) cum." I believed her.

Yes I got a lapdance from her after. No I didn't cum. Why not is probably TMI.

Jorge_Burrito

10-16-2010, 12:16 PM

did anyone else automatically imagine a porno spoof where that would make perfect sense? Barely dead looking women who are trying to have sex with our heroes. They are both attracted to them, but know that, if they give in, they will become zombies, too, as that's how they spread.

The zombie virus is a sexually transmitted disease.

And, yes, you'd get the guy who had abstained but accidentally gotten a little splooge from a male zombie, and would slowly turn and have to be killed.

Awesome!! I would watch that movie.

Not quite this plot, but their is a zombie porno spoof of the video game left 4 dead called left 4 head that is pretty funny if you play the game.

Peeta Mellark

10-16-2010, 12:17 PM

How often does a lap dance end in an orgasm?

Every time. That's why they give them to me for free. It's just the burden I have to bear.

MOIDALIZE

10-16-2010, 12:22 PM

"StickyPants?" Really?

Are we supposed to be impressed with his "expert" qualifications?

Khaki Campbell

10-16-2010, 12:46 PM

They come their BRAAAAIIIIINNNNNNSSSSS out.

When will that zombie crap finally croak :rolleyes: ? Memes are already bad, but memes based on some horror film crap (pleonasm) are even worse.

On thread, when I read about all those guys going to strip clubs, putting banknotes in the skanks' G-string, getting lap dances and jizzing in their Hanes, my sympathy for Valerie Solanas grows.

MOIDALIZE

10-16-2010, 12:50 PM

Wow, would you look at that, a humorless feminist. Such a rarity.

Khaki Campbell

10-16-2010, 12:57 PM

Wow, would you look at that, a humorless feminist. Such a rarity.

Uuh... Me ? A feminist ?

:D

No, I'm a combination of misandrist and misogynist.

Attack from the 3rd dimension

10-16-2010, 01:34 PM

This one time, at a strip club, a stripper said, "I've made every guy I danced for (today) cum." I believed her.

Yes I got a lapdance from her after. No I didn't cum. Why not is probably TMI.

I'm having a difficult time imaging TMI in this thread. Perhaps a spoiler box might help.

davidm

10-16-2010, 02:24 PM

How often does a lap dance end in a marriage proposal from the stripper?

I do not often go to "gentleman's clubs" but several weeks ago a buddy and I were bored one weekend night and went to a local one. (He denied going there a lot, but everyone seemed to know him by name... but that's a different story.)

Anyway, I let this one woman, who I did find kind of cute, talk me into a lap dance. I had a little difficulty understanding her since the music was loud and, being Thai, she had an accent. Towards the end of the dance she said something about "married". Assuming she had asked if I was married, I responded "no". She looked at me and rather plaintively said "maybe"? I, still not exactly sure what was going on, more or less automatically responded "maybe".

After a little more conversation I realized what she was asking. After the dance I went back to the bar to sit next to my buddy. She sat next to me and pretty much wrapped herself around me. I was making jokes to my buddy about her proposing to me while she kept talking about it and appearing to get more and more exasperated at my making light of it.

At first I thought she was just making a joke that she didn't think I'd take seriously, but eventually it was clear that she was serious. Don't get me wrong - I don't mean serious serious. I mean it in the sense that she expected me to believe that she was serious rather than just being sassy and flirty. She hung by me most of the rest of the time I was there except to dance on stage and once or twice make her circuit around the bar getting dollar bills from the other guys, and she always apologetically said she had to go make some money before doing so.

I understand that they flirt with you and try to make you feel special, but this was kind of over the top. She was attractive and could have been making money hustling couch dances but instead sat there wrapped around me.

Now, I don't for one moment believe that she had any serious interest in me other than financial, but I've never heard of strippers immediately proposing marriage to first time customers. Sure, they try to make you feel special and make you think that maybe they could be your girlfriend, but an immediate marriage proposal?

Is this a common thing, is it some sort of con (beyond trying to get me to buy dances)? Was she weird or high or something?

Little Nemo

10-16-2010, 05:50 PM

How often does a lap dance end in a marriage proposal from the stripper?

...

Is this a common thing, is it some sort of con (beyond trying to get me to buy dances)? Was she weird or high or something?I've got to admit that's one I've never heard before. I'd think it would be counter-productive - the last thing your average strip club patron is looking for is a commitment. Maybe it's a common line back in Thailand.

Some of the lines I've gotten:

"I'm a party girl and I can tell you guys are partyers so I'm hanging out with you."
"I'm really a college student. I'm just working here until I graduate."
"Can I hang out with you guys for awhile? There's some real creeps here tonight and I'd rather avoid them."

Vinyl Turnip

10-16-2010, 06:22 PM

"StickyPants?" Really?

Are we supposed to be impressed with his "expert" qualifications?

Clearly a paid mole for the powerful coming-in-pants-from-lapdances lobby.

Der Trihs

10-16-2010, 06:55 PM

"I'm really a college student. I'm just working here until I graduate."
Actually I always understood that sort of thing was fairly common. It's a way to make extra money while they are at their youngest and prettiest, but it isn't like women can typically make a long term career in the sex industry.

davidm

10-16-2010, 06:56 PM

How often does a lap dance end in a marriage proposal from the stripper?

...

Is this a common thing, is it some sort of con (beyond trying to get me to buy dances)? Was she weird or high or something?I've got to admit that's one I've never heard before. I'd think it would be counter-productive - the last thing your average strip club patron is looking for is a commitment. Maybe it's a common line back in Thailand.

Some of the lines I've gotten:

"I'm a party girl and I can tell you guys are partyers so I'm hanging out with you."
"I'm really a college student. I'm just working here until I graduate."
"Can I hang out with you guys for awhile? There's some real creeps here tonight and I'd rather avoid them."
She had a whole story about how she actually lives several states away but she comes here every other month to dance. She said she comes here because she doesn't want people there to know what she does. She said that she has difficulty reading and writing English. If true, I suppose maybe she can't find any other decent source of income.

I have to say that the story about her life really did sound sincere. She even told me that she was going back home in a couple of days and made sure that I knew the date that she'd be back here. It wouldn't make a lot of sense business-wise to make up a story like that. If she danced all the time you'd think she'd want me to come every weekend to spend money.

Peeta Mellark

10-16-2010, 07:04 PM

Most likely her goal was to scam for something bigger than the tips for dancing.

davidm

10-16-2010, 07:11 PM

Most likely her goal was to scam for something bigger than the tips for dancing.That's pretty much my thought. Money to help her "escape from her horrible lifestyle" or something.

But it was weird. I'm certainly not wealthy and I wasn't dressed in any way that would make her think so. She seemed to know my buddy and he had never gotten that act from her. I'll never know what it was about I guess.

Gestalt

10-16-2010, 09:40 PM

Some of the lines I've gotten:

"Can I hang out with you guys for awhile? There's some real creeps here tonight and I'd rather avoid them."

Ha. This reminds me of the South Park episode where Butters gets a "girlfriend" at Raisins. At some point all the boys go in together, and one of the raisins girls says something like, "Wow, I'm really glad you guys came in today. Everyone else here is really lame but you guys seem really cool."

msmith537

10-17-2010, 06:28 PM

Hahaha - my friend, that is kind of awesome. I imagine there are some stripper who'd be pissed - but quite a few more who'd find it hilarious. And, honestly, who doesn't want their work life to be more surreal?

I only did it the one time. The girl was sort of taken aback at first but then laughed.

How often does a lap dance end in a marriage proposal from the stripper?

Given the number of friends I have who ended up married to strippers, more so that I would have thought.

I would say StickyPants is more or less accurate although the rules in NYC clubs are slightly different (topless instead of all-nude for example). My "qualification" are just having a lot of friends and coworkers who are lawyers, consultants, investment bankers and whatnot who have some disposable income and a penchant for the nudie bars.

Little Nemo

10-17-2010, 07:18 PM

Hahaha - my friend, that is kind of awesome. I imagine there are some stripper who'd be pissed - but quite a few more who'd find it hilarious. And, honestly, who doesn't want their work life to be more surreal?

I only did it the one time. The girl was sort of taken aback at first but then laughed.I once read about a guy who'd go to a strip club and then call up a local pizzeria and have a couple of pizzas delivered.

Little Nemo

10-17-2010, 07:20 PM

Given the number of friends I have who ended up married to strippers, more so that I would have thought.Really? How many band members do you know?

Wheelz

10-18-2010, 03:08 PM

Without going into a lot of details, I'll say two things:

1. It depends on the place.
2. It happens a lot more than most of the people in this thread seem to realize.

Vinyl Turnip

10-18-2010, 04:09 PM

Maybe we can get GooeyBoxers and CreamedJeans to weigh in, assuming they do vanity searches.

Zeriel

10-18-2010, 04:37 PM

"Can I hang out with you guys for awhile? There's some real creeps here tonight and I'd rather avoid them."

While I get this quite often, I'm usually there with my wife, so it might actually be true. :D

StusBlues

10-18-2010, 05:06 PM

Without going into a lot of details, I'll say two things:

1. It depends on the place.
2. It happens a lot more than most of the people in this thread seem to realize.

"StickyPants?" Really?

Are we supposed to be impressed with his "expert" qualifications?

Wheelz and SP are pretty much dead on. I doubt you'd see this kind of "intensity" at a typical topless/pasties Gentlemen's Club, but at the sleazier establishments that don't have liquor licenses to worry about it's much more common.

I should imagine that's typical. However, given the plethora of writing out there on premature ejaculation, you can see that the exceptions are probably pretty plentiful, which probably says a bit about SP.

SCSimmons

10-18-2010, 06:08 PM

I'm sorry, but anyone who uses the word "coochie" automatically loses credibility.
I suppose that you think that using quote markes exempts you from that rule. Don't think so! You're on the list, PunditLisa! You'll never be taken seriously around here again!

Oh, crap. QUOTE tags don't work either. NOOOO! I've been coochified!

Back on topic: I have to admit I've never had a lap dance, or even been to a strip club. But I'm having a hard time imagining that this is particularly common ... I mean, really? :dubious:

StusBlues

10-18-2010, 06:11 PM

Back on topic: I have to admit I've never had a lap dance, or even been to a strip club. But I'm having a hard time imagining that this is particularly common ... I mean, really? :dubious:

I'll admit to having had lap dances, but never the full biological resolution therefrom. I've never suffered from PE either, though. Food for thought.

ETA: Think of it like BDSM. If you're not into the scene, it seems like it must be horribly rare. If you know some people who ARE into the scene, you realize that it's not nearly as rare as you might think.

PunditLisa

10-18-2010, 06:23 PM

I suppose that you think that using quote markes exempts you from that rule. Don't think so! You're on the list, PunditLisa! You'll never be taken seriously around here again!

I became aroused to the point of emission whilst her uncovered Labia Majora moved rhythimcally in a suggestive manner upon my Ginghams

I'd suspect their credibility, too. :p

OpalCat

10-18-2010, 06:45 PM

I danced topless for about 4 years back in the day and while I can imagine this happening in the sleazier clubs, or in states with more lax laws, it didn't happen (at least not regularly) at the clubs I worked at. We weren't allowed to have physical contact while doing table dances (they were not called lap dances).

msmith537

10-18-2010, 06:51 PM

I once read about a guy who'd go to a strip club and then call up a local pizzeria and have a couple of pizzas delivered.

No need. Some of the clubs in NYC actually have a sushi bar and serve what I've been told isn't a half bad steak and other food.

Originally Posted by msmith537
Given the number of friends I have who ended up married to strippers, more so that I would have thought.

Really? How many band members do you know?

Actually they are just regular guys...with issues.

Little Nemo

10-18-2010, 07:32 PM

No need. Some of the clubs in NYC actually have a sushi bar and serve what I've been told isn't a half bad steak and other food.But the guy's point wasn't to get a meal. He was doing it to break out of the routine

Little Nemo

10-18-2010, 07:33 PM

Actually they are just regular guys...with issues.I was just making a joke about the stereotype.

bengangmo

10-18-2010, 11:00 PM

I don't know about the prevalence or otherwise of it happening. I have been to a strip club twice, and did get a (kind of) private lapdance in my living room once (that's a whole 'nother story of balls out glory)...

BUT

I couldn't think of anything worse than walking home with sticky, gooey cold pants.....personally I would much rather get some self love than go through such discomfort...

Vinyl Turnip

10-19-2010, 10:06 AM

Yeah, well, good luck dancing in your own lap.

ralph124c

10-19-2010, 11:23 AM

Why would the management of these places encourage "happy endings"? It is bad for business-the satisfied client is less likely to keep spending money.

PunditLisa

10-19-2010, 02:27 PM

Why would the management of these places encourage "happy endings"? It is bad for business-the satisfied client is less likely to keep spending money.

Um, repeat business?

Unintentionally Blank

10-19-2010, 02:53 PM

depending on recovery period, sometimes even on the same night!

kayaker

10-19-2010, 03:28 PM

I've noticed that a lap dance is always better when the stripper is crying.

purplehorseshoe

10-19-2010, 05:21 PM

Do y'all hang out in my living room or something? I was just asking the Other Shoe about this last night. Being a girl, I wouldn't know, but I always thought lap dances seemed ... frustrating. To get riiiiiight there but not actually come? Fuck that noise. I asked him about it, and he just shrugged. Strip clubs never have been his thing. I guess maybe if they are your thing, it's not so frustrating.

OpalCat

10-19-2010, 06:50 PM

But the guy's point wasn't to get a meal. He was doing it to break out of the routine

Getting pizzas delivered isn't all that non-routine at strip clubs. I delivered them when I was a pizza delivery driver, and we ordered them regularly when I was a dancer.

Cat Fight

10-19-2010, 07:54 PM

Do y'all hang out in my living room or something? I was just asking the Other Shoe about this last night. Being a girl, I wouldn't know, but I always thought lap dances seemed ... frustrating. To get riiiiiight there but not actually come? Fuck that noise. I asked him about it, and he just shrugged. Strip clubs never have been his thing. I guess maybe if they are your thing, it's not so frustrating.

Yeah, but business is booming for the escorts at the bar downstairs!

Attack from the 3rd dimension

10-20-2010, 06:00 AM

Getting pizzas delivered isn't all that non-routine at strip clubs. I delivered them when I was a pizza delivery driver, and we ordered them regularly when I was a dancer.

Are there any jobs you haven't had?

crazyskydiver

11-09-2011, 04:15 PM

I got a lap dance by a girl who was squeezing my penis with her ass and I came. She was annoyed that my cum wet her clothing. She is giving lap dances so Didn't see the problem. I will go to a strip car several times a year. I ask for a private dance and I cum every time. I am looking forward to the next time.

crazyskydiver

11-09-2011, 04:18 PM

i meant strip bar, not car

rhubarbarin

11-09-2011, 04:28 PM

Well then.

Roderick Femm

11-09-2011, 04:50 PM

Yep, that's uh . . . . .Yep.

Roddy

davidm

11-09-2011, 05:06 PM

Did I tell you guys I got married? To this Thai chick I met about a year ago...

Okay, not really. :p

Ambivalid

11-09-2011, 05:26 PM

You mean lap dances actually happen in strip clubs??:confused: I thought they were all just whore houses.

huh, must just be Detroit

Munch

11-09-2011, 06:16 PM

You mean lap dances actually happen in strip clubs??:confused: I thought they were all just whore houses.
Uh, yeah. Do you know how fast places would get closed down if they were ALL whore houses? Or if ANY of them were? Outside of Nevada, you're not going to find a whore house that's advertising itself as anything close to resembling a strip club. (Massage parlors, on the other hand...)

Ambivalid

11-09-2011, 06:39 PM

Uh, yeah. Do you know how fast places would get closed down if they were ALL whore houses? Or if ANY of them were? Outside of Nevada, you're not going to find a whore house that's advertising itself as anything close to resembling a strip club. (Massage parlors, on the other hand...)

You clearly have never been to a Detroit strip club. There is little "lap-dancing" taking place in any of these clubs. Many of these clubs have systems in place to alert the dancers and clients if police make a surprise entrance. They truly are little more than whorehouses.