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... the ... the Defence Land tactics which is listed for Elan Colts ... will discuss the rights and wrongs of striking a lot down will have back and mall right here right now on the New Saab good afternoon and welcome ... I'm Simon Constable ... well we got to distinguished guests to discuss this is I'm that that they are we on some James and six is a Council ... on the rise in the core of today's mail is the ACLU ... LPG teammate sporting director ... Hamilton appealed content is coming to us from Lehigh due time is the National Foundation director ... scientists and in this case surrounds ... of woman use ... up on that night ... and she had to pay a walked off on the estate tax because ... of the wool would allow it to aam ... to to to get a tax break ... on what we saw with you Bill ... aam ... this can present getting taxed a lot more than a straight counterparts in what way does not defend marriage ... shrewdly the Tse interesting point because I guess what I've always thought and I think I think because she clearly makes him a makes this point that ... we don't sold the issues of ... taxation approach to taxation and I I dislike this the Texas which is an invite by redefining marriage ... pray we leave that up to Congress to fix those kinds of problems and ask what ought to be done ... in this case ... and and and and it's really funny near Tucson a good response to the problem ... content led most of us who attends six now saying so thank you for joining us as well ... aam wall of the inequalities on a more calm ... it did a couple same sex couples of them taxation ... well ... Friday the first to know what to say is that ... um ... you know did the reason there was the disparity in terms of taxes here ... is that he ... was a was Mary chose Mary just like everybody else can I do ... was treated as Nightlead Sydney or ... in ... she had been a straight widow considered again widow she wouldn't vote zero taxes so here's the question about ... treating the changing the definition of marriage here in all ... this is a person who was already married in the federal government ... was required to discriminate against ... her marriage ... because the Defense of marriage act ... in response to question about what are the other farms are many other farms ... been married since this couple space because of dumb ... people can get a federal of family medical leave act ... before it's the ... take care of their spouses ... became get health care for their spouses is the work of the federal government ... they can't get Social Security survivor benefits ... Annie's context it was ... a state taxes ... that could mean many different context eleven hundred ... different contexts in fact ... in which don't actually harms people who were already know ... aam ... Mr. s thanks ... what about was built on consent which is we don't solve these you know we are so these these tax problems these benefit problems ... aam flying changing manage we should just weeks those individually what he said though that is not a good idea ... well I think they are country of forty touches many different Texas to match ... under federal all their eleven hundred different ... protections and obligations that the federal government in taxes ... two of you married or not ... and will wear complaining about is that a given that ... aam system as a kitten ... on it ... violates the Constitution we believe ... to treat certain married people differently than others ... I'm and will buybacks the web ... justice ... James but to describe some ... to this is the my ... classes of marriage real manage Anacortes skim milk manage to ... do thing maps flap ... well I'd I'd I think the kids ... in recent years it's the challenge we have in a case like this is word we're not being asked about the fairness or unfairness of ... various of her purchase Meritor Ruby asked the court is being asked a question in ... this year's constitution mandates ... that mirrors the redefined ... regardless of what the purpose is the answer that's his sweet creamy snow ... and so ... it so you know it is that the justices ... I think that there's a better better way to do that there's a lot that's that's really find that that this and ... that doesn't answer the question in this case is whether or not ... the Constitution mandates that ... and a typically we we we felt that those kinds of issues are to be handled ... through the political branches and is the reason to something in this case it suggest ... they can be back to ... be done in this case as well as ... any case involving health care or anything else now ... aam is that I can guess the yesterday we had a tough proposition dates and I'm down some of the sign of this with a federal issue some people sign was a state issue when you come down on this is the isthe defensive and action to be a federal asset ... or a state Massa twenty five ... well ... I think that that's the key question and I think that that's a cute pic which is somewhat simple because ... what we're talking the Defense of marriage Act is when that when Congress passes a law ... it uses the term like marriage are Strauss ... did they get to determine what they what they mean when they do that ... forty the states could determine that when we think it's inappropriate for the federal government to tell the states ... that the in in that ... night you know Illinois quarter whatever that they have to define marriage in a certain way which could see it is just as problematic for the states to say all actually when you say something in so Security Wall of Worry racial or whatever ... you have to apply our definition to that ... that that was a little of the states to ... overturn a state law that they disagree that just by changing ... the definition of terms a calmer she's a fantastic so what what he thinks baseball all federal ... who's ... who is becoming party on on Maddie's you think it should be anyway ... below are ... two responses one is ... is unquestioned and our tradition in this country is that stays ... married people the federal government doesn't Knight people ... that the federal government has a two hundred year unbroken tradition ... of deferring to Stay determinations of other people are married or not ... and it shows that apart from that this tradition ... for only one group of people that is married same sex couples ... we think that's fair ... ten ... points from both thank you both Raymont said Sandy Timmermann nicknames that six of the ACLU LBJ CNH province the right to build on the match