quote: Couldn't tell. I was so surprised to hear it in a Lady Gaga film that I was just pleased someone made the effort to give credibility to Cooper's character.

You don't find Lady Gaga to be credible musically?

That’s been my takeaway from this thread is ignorant (and I don’t mean that perjoratively) putting down of Lady Gaga.

Her music may not be someone’s bag, but she’s the real damn deal. Being a pop mega-star should not be automatically disqualifying for being consider as a bona fide true musical talent.

[Edited on 10/8/2018 by cmgst34]
cyclone88 - 10/8/2018 at 09:17 PM

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quote: Couldn't tell. I was so surprised to hear it in a Lady Gaga film that I was just pleased someone made the effort to give credibility to Cooper's character.

You don't find Lady Gaga to be credible musically?

Of course. The actor/director Bradley Cooper isn't known as a musician. He wanted an authentic film so he hired good people, including Nelson and his band, to make his role as a rock star more credible. Gaga said she loved watching him become a musician during prep for the film.
cmgst34 - 10/8/2018 at 09:20 PM

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quote: Couldn't tell. I was so surprised to hear it in a Lady Gaga film that I was just pleased someone made the effort to give credibility to Cooper's character.

You don't find Lady Gaga to be credible musically?

Of course. The actor/director Bradley Cooper isn't known as a musician. He wanted an authentic film so he hired good people, including Nelson and his band, to make his role as a rock star more credible. Gaga said she loved watching him become a musician during prep for the film.

Apologies for my prior post. I misunderstood what I was reading.
cyclone88 - 10/8/2018 at 10:30 PM

quote:Apologies for my prior post. I misunderstood what I was reading.

I didn't think it was directed at me. I'm sure lots of people who don't enjoy pop music don't realize her incredible years of classical & jazz training. The movie itself bemoans her character's transformation from singer/songwriter to commercial pop star complete w/backup dancers.
jparadise - 10/9/2018 at 12:26 PM

Yeah, I'm personally not a fan of her stuff, but musically speaking, the woman is a monster talent. I'll see the movie, but I'll be surprised if it's better than the 1st remake with Kristofferson.

goodlawdy2 - 10/10/2018 at 01:57 AM

I knew about the whipping post from this site. Maybe I'm crazy I'm almost certain I heard another line early on in the dialogue that was lifted from an ABB song. Just can't remember what it was.

As a guitar player I watched Bradley Cooper's hands. I noticed they did a good job with the filming of not including his hands in key shots where a lot was going on. They would switch to the backside of the guitar neck when there was something technical happening.

Lady Gaga was great as an actress. Obviously she has chops as a musician too. All in all it was an enjoyable film for sure.

hotlantatim - 10/10/2018 at 08:52 PM

This is actually the 4th remake of A Star is Born. I just found out a couple weeks ago there was one in 1937. The first two were about actors. The next two obviously about singers.

goodlawdy2 - 10/11/2018 at 12:35 AM

I just remembered the second possible ABB reference. I had had a few drinks going into the movie, but I remember either Lady Gaga or Bradley Cooper had a line in there about someone who had died and the last thing they had told that person before they passed was a lie. Probably pure coincidence but I thought of Gregg’s statements in his autobiography saying the same thing about his last conversation with Duane.

DeadMallard - 10/11/2018 at 03:04 AM

I had 7 people tell me the movie was incredible including my wife, sister and niece. So I went to the theatre for first time in 4-5 years. It was jam packed for the 11:10 am.

I really enjoyed the first part because of the roots based music. As soon as the **** image maker-manager got involved and the music changed I was bored as hell. Chalk it up to my personal bias.

But what really turned me off was the ending. Notwithstanding, the Cooper characters serious childhood issues there is no way that little weasel of a manager would have turned him like that. The Cooper character would have had zero respect for that little turd. What a stupid ending.

On the way out I noticed people raving about the movie and lots of people wiping eyes.

So different tastes for different folks I guess.

DeadMallard - 10/11/2018 at 03:05 AM

quote:I just remembered the second possible ABB reference. I had had a few drinks going into the movie, but I remember either Lady Gaga or Bradley Cooper had a line in there about someone who had died and the last thing they had told that person before they passed was a lie. Probably pure coincidence but I thought of Gregg’s statements in his autobiography saying the same thing about his last conversation with Duane.

Yup I picked up on that also.
cyclone88 - 10/11/2018 at 12:31 PM

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But what really turned me off was the ending. Notwithstanding, the Cooper characters serious childhood issues there is no way that little weasel of a manager would have turned him like that. The Cooper character would have had zero respect for that little turd. What a stupid ending.

Yeah, from the moment Gaga died her hair that funky orange, the music changed, but I liked that the Cooper character tried to get her to keep on saying what was important because who knows how long the fickle audience will be there.

This is the 3rd remake of the original & the plot is the same for all so no matter how unbelievable, the Cooper character was going to turn - like Kristofferson, James Mason, & Frederick March before him. The other thing that's in all 4 movies is the man always wants "another look" at the woman & he leaves something behind to make us believe she'll survive & be great. Gaga & Streisand's final songs were written by the men. It's a romance plus a remake so you just have to go with it to like it.

I liked that Hollywood even attempted a serious look behind the scenes for rock in 2018; I quit going to the movies when everything became comic book heroes (not a comiccon person). I read that Kristofferson gave up 5 minutes of his time at Glastonbury so the festival section backstage session could be filmed. Lots of good people were supportive & I still like that Cooper's character had rock/ABB roots.

redhouse1969 - 10/11/2018 at 02:12 PM

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But what really turned me off was the ending. Notwithstanding, the Cooper characters serious childhood issues there is no way that little weasel of a manager would have turned him like that. The Cooper character would have had zero respect for that little turd. What a stupid ending.

I found that part feasible, given that earlier in the film the Jack character explained that he tried to kill himself as a teen by that same method. I would imagine someone right out of rehab might be really raw emotionally and was struggling with all types of thoughts & demons. The sleazy manager just reinforced one of the voices he might have already been hearing... speculation on a fictional character
hotlantatim - 10/11/2018 at 03:25 PM

Please post "Spoiler Alert" warnings if you are talking about the end of a movie!

Dino - 10/12/2018 at 01:44 AM

A spoiler alert for the 4th remake!!

anyway, i am a huge fan of Gaga and will be seeing one of her jazz piano solo shows in Vegas early next year. I completely loved what she did with Tony Bennett and have high hopes that her roll in ASIB will get her to maybe make a singer/songwriter type album. I really like the Joanne album.

Another interesting historical story about the Streisand version of the film is that she and her then boyfriend Jon Peters, who produced the film, actually wanted Elvis Presley to play the role eventually played by Kristofferson. I've read the Presley was VERY interested in playing the role but the colonel's demands made it impossible. I would have loved to have seen that. Elvis had some serious acting chops. Watch Love Me Tender....