why does it seem that we are beating a dead horse on this? Place your bets, place your bets, round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows, it is essentially a non-issue. train, and focus on your training, that is the issue, all of these things are distracting us from the real issue, to train, train, train. our real energy should be spent on us. the study of budo is essentially a selfish one, how can WE become better individuals? How can we improve ourselves. Not how we can inmprove others. it is the teachers job to point the way, not to hold our hand and take us there. Train, forget about the differences, they don't exist, we make an issue out of them, we make them out of our own ignorance. Screw our poor perceptions!! Train! some of you will get what I'm saying, some of you won't. And there is no explaining it to you, you just don't get it, those of you who do, there is no need to explain it you either, you already get it.