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Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper

for the real historians and basketball purists ill lay it out there very simply for you

Glenn Robinson was more Glen Rice

Glen Rice was a 3pt specialist.

Robinson more mid range oriented.

and Carmelo Anthony had a very talented squad in Denver, so we can put the fantasy assumptions to rest. He's not that kind of player if we're speaking on a LeBron level or Wade, or Kobe, Shaq, etc or even Steve Nash for example who impact on the game is far greater than Melo has ever been. Guy won two MVP's so theres no argument there.

Originally Posted by knicksman20

Problem is Metro, you underrate Melo because of some people's love of Melo. You're overly critical of him because some on the board overrate him. Melo is a monster. Plain & simple. He's had an off year due to the shorten season, multiple injuries he's been nursing, & a coach who had no clue had to run anything else but a pick n roll. Those factors alone explain why he played so bad this year. But as you see, ALL GREAT players find a way to get out of these slumps. And as DerekHarper posted above, we haven't even seen Melo's prime just yet.

Here is where you're struggling. You give the forum no real insight on this post.
I rated Melo fairly giving him credit to where credit due and pointing out whats also true...not really worth replying to this you were really better off just telling me you have a problem with me not overrating Melo.

Originally Posted by nyk_nyk

Melo a Tier 2 SF???? How does that even make sense when he's arguably top 2 or 3 overall at that position? DUDE, THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

He's not a MVP player.
To be MVP, it takes the entire season, you don't win it in one month. MVP is not rewarded to the best player in April.

Tier 1 is LeBron and Durant

Melo isn't on that level, you HOPE and DESIRE for him to be, but when you sit down and slap yourself in the face and take time to be honest with yourself, you would understand why Durant and LeBron rank higher and also without question rank in a different level ahead of Melo.

Anyone in here who would choose Melo over Durant and LeBron is obviously full of crap.

Melo is def a top tier SF he's interchangeable as the number 2 or 3 with KD depending on the day. Kevin Durant is a beast and has a good head on his shoulders but his game is not way ahead of Melo's Ive seen KD get shut down badly a few times by good defenders like Artest and Tony Allen, not to mention his post game is just developing. You rarely ever see Melo actually get locked up more often then not if he's having a bad game he's just playing like ****.

Chill with the condescending attitude because it's not really needed. The 3 factors I mentioned all account for why Melo was slumping. It shouldn't be any surprise to you he's playing at an MVP type level because he's healthier, & the fact that "coach" D'Antoni is gone. The whole culture of the team has done a complete 180. Those factors can't be ignored in your statisical analysis. He's proving this season he can become a 2 way player which I didn't think he could do. I'm just sitting back & watching the Knicks playing the right way which is refreshing. Current players, coaches, & former NBA tv analysts say Melo is an elite player in this league so I don't understand why you can't take see that.

and Carmelo Anthony had a very talented squad in Denver, so we can put the fantasy assumptions to rest. He's not that kind of player if we're speaking on a LeBron level or Wade, or Kobe, Shaq, etc or even Steve Nash for example who impact on the game is far greater than Melo has ever been. Guy won two MVP's so theres no argument there.

Here is where you're struggling. You give the forum no real insight on this post.
I rated Melo fairly giving him credit to where credit due and pointing out whats also true...not really worth replying to this you were really better off just telling me you have a problem with me not overrating Melo.

He's not a MVP player.
To be MVP, it takes the entire season, you don't win it in one month. MVP is not rewarded to the best player in April.

Tier 1 is LeBron and Durant

Melo isn't on that level, you HOPE and DESIRE for him to be, but when you sit down and slap yourself in the face and take time to be honest with yourself, you would understand why Durant and LeBron rank higher and also without question rank in a different level ahead of Melo.

Anyone in here who would choose Melo over Durant and LeBron is obviously full of crap.

According to YOU! Melo has clearly hurt your feelings at some point in your life. Durant and Melo have NEVER been an NBA MVP so what the hell is your point? Melo, James, Durant and Pierce are the cream of the crop at the SF position, AND THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.

How often does a Melo or Durant come out of the draft? You figure that out and then realize how elite they both are. I still can't believe you put Melo and Deng on the same level! You ask any NBA analyst who the top 5 SFs in the league are and I guarantee Melo will be named in the top 3.

Funny thing is, if Melo was on that MIA team last year instead of James they would have won the finals since we all know Melo would have always closed out games like the clutch player he is. Go ahead and deny that.

According to YOU! Melo has clearly hurt your feelings at some point in your life. Durant and Melo have NEVER been an NBA MVP so what the hell is your point? Melo, James, Durant and Pierce are the cream of the crop at the SF position, AND THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.

How often does a Melo or Durant come out of the draft? You figure that out and then realize how elite they both are. I still can't believe you put Melo and Deng on the same level! You ask any NBA analyst who the top 5 SFs in the league are and I guarantee Melo will be named in the top 3.

Funny thing is, if Melo was on that MIA team last year instead of James they would have won the finals since we all know Melo would have always closed out games like the clutch player he is. Go ahead and deny that.

You are giving Melo a lot of credit for a guy who not moved past the first round of the playoffs.............Melo does not want to play 2nd fiddle to anyone and on the Heat it is clearly WADE.
You are correct about Melo being a top 5 but I gurantee every NBA Analyst would say the samething about Melo not playing defense and him having an issue with the coach.....Remember he also had issues with George Karl....
So basically Melo has a tough time dealing with adversity......YES he is playing the best ball in the NBA right now but that alone should tell you what the guy is capable of and that there should never be another game that he plays as a KNICK that MELO should not give a 110%.

You are giving Melo a lot of credit for a guy who not moved past the first round of the playoffs.............

You already failed. SMH

Originally Posted by skisloper

Melo does not want to play 2nd fiddle to anyone and on the Heat it is clearly WADE. You are correct about Melo being a top 5 but I gurantee every NBA Analyst would say the samething about Melo not playing defense and him having an issue with the coach.....Remember he also had issues with George Karl.... So basically Melo has a tough time dealing with adversity......YES he is playing the best ball in the NBA right now but that alone should tell you what the guy is capable of and that there should never be another game that he plays as a KNICK that MELO should not give a 110%.

I read all of this and still have no idea what point you're trying to make. You're just typing just to type.

Not sure why Metrocard acts like Durant and Melo are on different levels when they post nearly identical stats for their careers. This is the same guy who uses stats to support a Melo and Glen Rob comparison. For some reason, the stats are ok for aligning Melo with GR, but Durant even with similar stats is on another level? GTHOH!Per Game

Point was simple....Great players should give 100% of their effort no matter what the situation.....If Dantonio was still the coach would Melo not be putting in the effort.....

whats worse...Howard saying he wont play for Van Gundy or Melo quitting on Dantonio....

either way I think Greatness has to include dealing wth adversity.....

I agree Melo handled the D'Antoni situation terribly. I have nothing against him if he took his case to the front office and demanded for trade and all that.

But he crossed the line by quitting on the floor. That's the worst message a pro BBall can send to his supporters and fans who paid a hefty price to see him, not to mention the youngsters whom they brought alone to watch the games in the great MSG. What kind of message are they receiving? Had Melo thought about them?

I rather watch 5 average Knicks who give their 100% effort than a superstar who can't handle adversity and quit on his team while playing.

For that reason, it left a blackmark on some of us that it can not be erased easily and forever haunt us for as long as Melo is in a Knicks uniform.