Guy Mettan: Jewish russophobia has never existed and still does not exist today

Note by the Saker: Guy Mettan has kindly accepted my invitation to reply to some of the critical comments I made in my review of his excellent book ““The West vs Russia – a thousand year long war: russophobia from Charlemagne to the Ukrainian Crisis”. While I obviously disagree with this conclusions, as he does with mine, and while I welcome and even encourage an open and frank debate on any topic, especially a controversial one, I would ask all commentators to absolutely avoid any ad hominem attacks, not only because they are rude, but also because they never serve to make a valid point. They are all, be definition, non-sequiturs. I really believe that Guy Mettan has made a tremendous contribution to the understanding of Russia and would ask of you all, dear friends, to keep that in mind. That being said, I hope that this reply will generate a energetic and interesting discussion

The Saker
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Dear Saker,
Dear friends,

At first, let me thank warmly the Saker for his very laudatory review of my book on western russophobia. I’m especially grateful for the great attention he brought to all chapters and details of my essay, which is not very popular among European mainstream medias and scholars.

But let me precise one think about what you have called one of the “most formidable russophobia”, the supposed Jewish russophobia. In my book, I have mentioned old roman-catholic, French, British, German and American russophobias but no Jewish russophobia because in my view this is not relevant.

In my view, such a Jewish russophobia has never existed and still does not exist today.

Let my explain why.

First, if there is for sure Jewish Neocons in Washington who are strongly and phobically anti-Russian, there are also many American Jews who are denouncing their warlike propaganda. Notorious intellectual figures like Stephen Cohen and Noam Chomsky are Jewish but they are among the harshest critics of the russophobes Neocons in Washington! I think we can find as many russophobic Jews as russophiles Jews.

In Israel for instance, prominent politicians like Avigdor Lieberman are not anti-Russian. And the diplomatic relations between Russia and Israel have never been as good as today since 60 years.

If you look the true enemies of Russia today, the nasty types who are killing Russians for instance, you cannot see a single Jew. There were no Jews in Doubrovka Theater, in Beslan, in Georgia or in Ukraine. The Russian planes and helicopters in Syria were not shot by Jews or by Israel. But by Islamist terrorists supported by Muslim and Arab petromonarchies, Turkey or western democracies.

Even in Ukraine, there are no Jewish battalions fighting in the Donbass but a lot of fanatic extreme-right nationalists with Nazi emblems, who are as well anti-Russian as anti-Semites. In Ukraine and Baltic countries, the ethnic Russians are in the same camp as the Jews…

Secondly, russophobia, as any form of racism or ethnic phobia, is an ideology, a way of thinking and a behavior shared by large amounts of people from the top to the bottom of the society. It’s systematic, publicly asserted and officially endorsed. That’ s why it is possible to speak of an American russophobia, which is largely spread in the media, taught in some universities, funded by think tanks and officially claimed at the highest levels of the State circles in Washington.

But that’s clearly not the case in the Jewish communities in USA or in Europe. And certainly not in Israel. I have never heard or read a systematic russophobic propaganda or appeals to Russian hatred or military mobilization against Russia in all the Jewish communities I met in the world or in Israel.

Which is not the case in NATO circles in Brussels, or in the mainstream media and chancelleries in London or Washington.

Thirdly, my point is also philosophical. If I highly dislike russophobes, I try not to hate them. I don’t wish to critic a phobia in order to cherish another one. In fact, I hate all phobias, russophobia but also islamophobia, sinophobia, arabophobia or africanophobia, which is probably the most common and ignored one.

In that sense, I don’t share the views of the Russian writers or authors who have raised the question of the Jews in Russia. That’s an internal debate. I tried to read Chafarevitch but I could not understand what his problem was. For me, Russian Jews are Russian as well as the other Russian people, Slavs, Bachkirs or Buriates. They belong to the long history and culture of Russia as any other citizen even if we can criticize them on one or two aspects. A great nation doesn’t make difference between his members. Exactly as we try to do in Switzerland between German, French or Italian speaking communities.

In conclusion, considering the history of the XXth Century, judeophobia is certainly the worst phobia, the most cruel one, whatever we can think about Jews and the politics of the State of Israel against Palestinians. This is not for excusing or justifying anything, this is just a matter of fact not to be forgotten.

For all these reasons, I’m convinced that there is no “Jewish russophobia” and that any discussion about this question brings more confusion than it helps to grasp the deep roots of western russophobia and to fight against it.

Best,

Guy

The Essential Saker II: Civilizational Choices and Geopolitics / The Russian challenge to the hegemony of the AngloZionist Empire

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he makes two points on the term russophobia not appropriate and judeophobia being one of the worst phobias ever.

On ukraine, I couldn’t disagree more: Waltman-Poroshenko, Kolomoisky, Pyatt, Nulland, Pravyy Sektor thugs like Yarosk coopted by Israel, and yes ther are merceanries close to pravvy sektor fighting there with junta. AT some point it was alos said that isreal shiped surveillance drones to Odessa attn: Junta
Sachhasvilli’s wife who suspected of organ trafficking ….

Not too mention many 5th col oligarchs who coopted junta or maidan one way or another… C’mon!!

This is denial here which is typically French political culture, I know it because i sometimes apply that same type of auto-censorship to myslef.
Anything that could be remotely wrongly interpreted as racist or anti-semite must be censored. In France it’s not just political dogma, it is almost state religion.

There’s Kazarian maf DNA all over the place on Maidan. last point He doesn’t make the very important distinction saker does btw a religion Judaism, a state: isreal, and a fascist political ideology: zionism

“A persistent theme among critics of Jews—particularly those on the
pre-World War II right—has been that the Bolshevik revolution was a
Jewish revolution and that the Soviet Union was dominated by Jews.
This theme appears in a wide range of writings, from Henry Ford’s International
Jew, to published statements by a long list of British, French, and American
political figures in the 1920s (Winston Churchill, Woodrow Wilson, and David
Lloyd George), and, in its most extreme form, by Adolf Hitler, who wrote:

Now begins the last great revolution. By wresting political power
for himself, the Jew casts off the few remaining shreds of disguise
he still wears. The democratic plebeian Jew turns into the blood Jew
and the tyrant of peoples. In a few years he will try to exterminate the
national pillars of intelligence and, by robbing the peoples of their
natural spiritual leadership, will make them ripe for the slavish lot of a
permanent subjugation. The most terrible example of this is Russia.1
This long tradition stands in sharp contradiction to the official view,
promulgated by Jewish organizations and almost all contemporary historians,
that Jews played no special role in Bolshevism and indeed were specifically
victimized by it. Yuri Slezkine’s book provides a much needed resolution
to these opposing perspectives. It is an intellectual tour de force, alternately
muddled and brilliant, courageous and apologetic.

The book was winner of Winner of the 2005 National Jewish Book Award, Ronald S. Lauder Award in Eastern European Studies, Jewish Book Council, winner of the 2005 Wayne S. Vucinich Book Prize, American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies and winner of the 2004 Award for Best Professional/Scholarly Book in Religion, Association of American Publishers (see more thumbnail reviews at http://tinyurl.com/jp3zzyv .

“A persistent theme among critics of Jews—particularly those on the
pre-World War II right—has been that the Bolshevik revolution was a
Jewish revolution and that the Soviet Union was dominated by Jews.
This theme appears in a wide range of writings, from Henry Ford’s International
Jew, to published statements by a long list of British, French, and American
political figures in the 1920s (Winston Churchill, Woodrow Wilson, and David
Lloyd George), and, in its most extreme form, by Adolf Hitler, who wrote:

Now begins the last great revolution. By wresting political power
for himself, the Jew casts off the few remaining shreds of disguise
he still wears. The democratic plebeian Jew turns into the blood Jew
and the tyrant of peoples. In a few years he will try to exterminate the
national pillars of intelligence and, by robbing the peoples of their
natural spiritual leadership, will make them ripe for the slavish lot of a
permanent subjugation. The most terrible example of this is Russia.

This long tradition stands in sharp contradiction to the official view,
promulgated by Jewish organizations and almost all contemporary historians,
that Jews played no special role in Bolshevism and indeed were specifically
victimized by it. Yuri Slezkine’s book provides a much needed resolution
to these opposing perspectives. It is an intellectual tour de force, alternately
muddled and brilliant, courageous and apologetic.”

The book was the winner of the 2005 National Jewish Book Award, Ronald S. Lauder Award in Eastern European Studies, Jewish Book Council, winner of the 2005 Wayne S. Vucinich Book Prize, American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies and winner of the 2004 Award for Best Professional/Scholarly Book in Religion, Association of American Publishers.

Some Machiavellian rules suggests that one should always pretend to be a friend to an enemy while making others (proxies) fight said enemy. Jews are renowned for their skills to get others fight their wars. “Wage war by way of deception” is their rule number 1, and this is the angle that should be explored the most. There’re some Jews who also love Russia but we can always count them on our fingers.

Anyhow, the subject of Guy Mettan’s book is very interesting and definitely uncommon. I’ll definitely check out the book. Thank you!

Mettan is correct that there are many Jews who do not hate Russia, but the Jews that count, the business elites who control Western politics and the MSM, they are a different kettle of fish. And the neo-conservatives who control the USA’s profoundly belligerent foreign policy that is dedicated to destroying Russia, China, Iran and any one else who dares to get in the way of global ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ forever, are almost entirely Jews. A few Sabbat Goyim are thrown in for local colour and implausible deniability that neo-conservatism is a Jewish project, but they just follow orders.
Furthermore, the oligarchs who pillaged the USSR under the cirrhotic Quisling, and drove the people into poverty, falling life expectancy and falling birth-rates were almost all Jews, and I scarcely see their actions as displaying other than hostility towards their victims.
I think Mettan makes the usual ‘mistake’ of speaking of Jews as if they are a monolithic entity, and a few non-Russophobic or Russophilic Jews cancel out the hostility of the powerful elites, and that is plainly not the case. The real and worsening Russophobia is the product of Jewish elites who, by dint of their control of Western polities, finance and brainwashing apparatuses, see themselves at the very pinnacle of power, the most influential and dominant such elite group in recent history, if not ever. Any diminution in Western Atlanticist power will threaten the position, which, frankly, is seen by many Jews as ‘God-ordained’, or only fit given their superiority over all others. Hence the real and inescapable Russophobia of Jewish elites, so visceral that they even get into bed with Russophobe fascists in Ukraine who are dedicated Judeophobes themselves.

The reasons why Russia is so hated by the jews in the west, is because Russia is the last large christian conservative European nation.. In all other European nations(execpt a few smaller eastern Europeans one with no influence).. Anyone that even points of jewish influence is arrested for “hate”.. And no, I am not kidding. In Sweden for example, the largest media organisation is “Bonnier” Bonnier is own by a jewish family.. The definition of anti-semitism is the belief that jews have disproportionate influence in media. Well, there is around 20 000 jews in Sweden and the majority of media is in the hands of jews..So if you simply know the truth, you are committing a hate crime and will be fined or imprisoned.

Unless non-jews are quaking in their boots at even mention anything related to jews, jews and jewish organizations will not be happy.

The notion that there is a large white country like Russia, where heterosexual christian males look out for their own personal, national and ethnic interests and do not shrink in fear when a jewish organisation or any “anti-racist” organisation points their finger and say “You do not like jews enough” is completely unacceptable to not only jewish supremacist organisations such as ADL that operate in every country in the west, but also to the average jew as well.

The day the Russian government is overthrown by liberals, the Russian people are growling in poverty like Ukraine, as jewish oligarchs site and drink wine. And anyone even mentions jews are arrested.. That is the day that western media will suddenly say. “Hey, Russia, you are alright, you are democratic and progressive and we like you.”

Excellent article . By the way , dear Saker , I suppose you know this Surkov’s article . It’s very good , too and it deals with the global mafia question , Rothschild & Co . I don’t know if it has been translated into English . If not , would be a good idea to do so .
Kind Regards
Mikel

I am afraid it is like this, most jews are heavily indoctrinated that they are a constant victim and everyone alse are constant perpetrators. This triggers in some individuals an extreme ethnocentric paranoid behavior, were anything is views as a threat, and it makes it easier for organisations to control and manipulate these people. Not all jews are bad of course, but many jews are victims too pretty elaborate and extremes methods of developing ethnocentric behavior.

I think you misunderstood, Ann. He is joking about how every other historical suffering except Jewish is denigrated or ignored and is continuing even today, while Jews are perceived as the sole and endlessly suffering victims, no possibility to argue. And Jews are taking advantage of this situation, making big money and through media they themselves control are facilitating this process further.

Personally, I would never find anyone making fun of Native Americans, funny.
When I was young I lived among the Lakota people ( South Dakota) during the summers. I did this for many summers.
I had Lakotas come over my house during different times of the year, that were going to the UN to ask for their rights. To saved them money I and other friends offered our houses for days until they had to travel to Europe.
They would go to the UN Working Group on Indigenous Peoples in Geneva.

These great men were I knew and respected highly– Tony Black Feather and Chief Garfield Grass Rope (both deceased now). Without going into more than necessary of my “personal life” I was the girlfriend of Tony Black Feather’s son for quite a few years.

Again, you jumped the gun, without knowing the person ( me) behind the posting of the link.

Oh, that clip is so totally great. You really get his humor and I would like to add to the voices re-assuring Ann that this is _not_ anything but what humor is supposed to be. He sets up an imagined sweepstakes, and introduces Elie Wiesel. I can’t call this man anything less than brilliant. The Saker’s book has several chapters about him, and now I can totally see why. I encourage all awakened human beings to watch the clip, thanks again, Carmel!

“There is a very significant omission, Guy Mettan apparently not aware of the “Khazar factor” Judeo-revenge-seekers are now active as ever.
What a great pity. I recommend on this densely work.
Get acquainted with the book Vadim Kozhinova “The Great War in Russia. Why invincible Russian people? ”

This is a interesting topic and I am curious as to why the Jewish Russophobia is discounted, when to me it seems so obvious. I. would echo the points raised by my fellow posters. I see evidence that there is Jewish Russophobia – and it drives all of the western Russophobia. It is there shaping the world view of Russia through control of the media and think tanks, and in politics

Off the top of my head I can put forward the following that needs to be looked at

1. The ukraine leadership are Jewish and the funders of key battalions are Jewish. Yatsenyuk, Poreshenko, Kolomoisky. There are other oligarchs who are Jewish who funded the coup

2. Media ownership in the USA: The key opinion formers / media owners Fox, New York times, at washington post all Jewish owned/ or have Jewish boards.

3. In America the Neo cons: Kagan etc all Jewish. Run influential think tanks that have shaped US foreign policy for over 30 years

4. in France: key opinion formers such as Bernard Henry levy : Jewish

The focus on the last few decades on Islam is important, but it could be argued that th is driven by the rise of radical Islam and geopolitics in attacking Russia – not Russophobia.

Russophobia has deep roots – so much so that like Racism many people don’t recognise that they are Russophobic.

For example the blanket acceptance that ALL Russians should be banned from the Olympics regardless of whether they are guilty of doping – because they are Russian is accepted as okay. The media put this out there as fair

No other nation would be treated like this.
Kenya is having issues with doping but no one would say they all should be banned. They would be seen as racist and unfair. But to treat Russians in this way is seen as okay. Even the right thing to do. That is Russophobia

basolutely right.
point 1 – yats is rumored to be scientologist (his sister is there at the santa barbara church)
point 4- i would add Laurent Fabius former french F.A minister who definitely gave the kiss of Judas to Yanukovich on Feb 22 2014. He also happens tyo endorse Al Nursa Front “the god chaps who are doing going job in SYria”

fabien, its QED stuff, really. Scientology is a Mafia-style racket, immensely powerful and openly corrupt, Fabius is a Likudnik Jew, and al-Nusra is and has been in an open alliance with Israel, who wish Syria to be destroyed and broken into fragments. All of which, as Harold Pinter observed, never happened, even as it was (and is) happening.

I will have to politely disagree with the honorable gentleman in the conclusion that he has reached, and sought to defend, as it relates to “Jewish Russophobia”.

Contrary to what he would have us believe, Jewish hatred of Russia and Russians is not a figment of our collective imagination, it is real, it is historical, it is well documented, it is deeprooted and it is happening at the highest level today.

He does concede that the American media and the MSM in general is Russophobia, so at least that is a start.

The next thing that he can do is to find out and tell us ; who are the persons who disproportionately own the American & the MSM in general?

And is there a correlation between ownership and what emanates from them???

If he can do that honestly and objectively then we can start having a discussion.

The major think-tanks that spew Russia hatred daily, who bank rolls them?

The sanctions on Russia, who crafted them and insist that they be extended ?

Who, who, who?

Or maybe he needs Victoria Nuland to give him a call and straighten him out.

By reading Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn “200 years together”, one gets some understanding of the complexity of the relation between Russian and Jews. When Russia took part of Poland and Lithuania in the 18e century, they took with those countries about 3 millions Jews. Since then Russia has been trying hard to assimilate the Jews with some limited success. It seems that those which participate in the bolchevik revolution and even under Stalin did enjoyed killing Russian and Ukrainians. I think those ones could be accused of Russo-phobia. Today it looks like Jews are still very powerful in Russia and a major part of the 5th column in Russia seems to be of Jewish obedience. Russians and Jews are still wed and like in any modern couple, you can find love and hate.

France, Britain, Germany and Russia were all equally engaged in the great power diplomacy and rivalry of the 18th and 19th centuries. They were all engaged to some extent or another in the Great Game. There is no “phobia” about any of this.

In the 20th century, the ruling classes in France, Britain, Germany and America were all rabidly “anti-communist”. There is something of “phobia” about this – against communists, not Russians specifically – but mainly rational pursuit of class interests.

The religious enmities – do they amount to “phobia” and are they not reciprocal? And is the Catholic enmity directed against Russians or against Orthodox? (A recent book on the Crimean War by Orlando Figes argues for a religious element, although the geopolitics of the Great Game seems more obviously explanatory – but is this “Russophobia”?)

The term seems to claim victimhood (for some not immediately obvious reason). It also seems to lump together so many different things that it is less than useful in explaining events.

“Jewish Russophobia has never existed and still does not exist today???”

Alexandr Solzhenitsyn gives us a different view: “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

Mr. Mettan clearly states in this article why he does not consider a “Jewish russophobia”.

He states:

“russophobia, as any form of racism or ethnic phobia, is an ideology, a way of thinking and a behavior shared by large amounts of people from the top to the bottom of the society”.

So basically if there is not a large amount of “Jewish” people who are russophobic from the top to the bottom of society, then there is no such thing as “Jewish russophobia”.

1. I have just read The Saker’s review on Mr. Mettan’s book.

2. I have never read Mr. Mettan’s book.

3. Since I am not an expert on the topic, I found on Wikipedia the “Anti-Russian sentiment” page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment), which claims “Further works by Russian academics, such as Igor Shafarevich’s Russophobia[20] or the treaty from the 1980s attributed the spread of russophobia to Zionists”.

4. From my personal knowledge Zionists have committed historical crimes against the Russian people, let alone contributed to a phenomenon like a “phobia”.

5. You and I know, who are mostly Zionists…..

6. I believe if Mr. Mettan’s book (which again I have not read) has left out the phenomenon of “Zionist (Jewish) russophobia”, then he has basically left out a considerable amount of work carried out by “Russian academics” and can be considered lacking from a scholarly perspective……and this is the harsh reality of scholarly criticism lol.

Its ironic that Mettan mentioned Chafarevitch (Igor Shafarevich to an English speaker). A brilliant “Russian” mathematician and writer. He wrote several books condemning Socialism as constructed in Russia. And attacking (in the thinking of many) Jews in Russia. He is a devout (as far as we hear) Orthodox believer. But while all of that is “interesting”,that isn’t the “ironic” part. He was born in Western Ukraine, Zhytomyr Oblast. So it would seem more accurate to call him “Ukrainian”,than Russian. But ,it gets even better if we dig deeper. That area was a major center of Jewish life in Ukraine. Both under the Poles,and under the Tsars and Soviets. As well as one of the Oblasts with heavy Polish and even German minorities in the pre-WWII periods.And the icing on the cake is Igor’s last name. Its a very Jewish looking name for a “Russian” family. I suspect he comes from a Jewish family who converted to Orthodoxy sometime in the distant past

I doubt Mettan ,being Swiss,has studied deeply about the Russian World and its many facets,where they concern Jews.He is probably much more familiar with Jews in Western Europe. And the amount of Russophobia among them is probably limited.Its those (while certainly not all) from the ex-Soviet territories where the Jewish Russophobia would be from.He mentioned Ukraine’s Jews as not being Russophobic. And yet history shows them to have had a deep Russophobia.From the Tsars days until today (in many cases). I’m going to guess that he isn’t aware (as we are) that the Ukrainian anti-Russian junta,is full of Jews,or those of Jewish ancestry. The President,the PM,many Oblast governors,leading oligarchs,all fit that bill.And while they themselves “may” not be actual nazis. They have deep connections and control over many of them. Who are the most Russophobic groups in Ukraine.

His reading of the US Jewish population needs some explaining too.He is right about many Jews not being Russophobic among them. But what he isn’t seeing is “why” that is.Around 2 million Jewish immigrants came to the US in the “age of mass immigration”. A huge number of them were from areas of the “Russian World”.And most of them were leaving because they weren’t happy under the Tsar’s rule.The Socialist and early Communist movements in the US were mostly people of Jewish background. And when Russia became the USSR and a Communist state those people were very supportive.Much of that support fizzled over the years,with the Trotskyites,Stalin’s purges,rise of Israel,etc.. But still those that hung on to their Socialist or Communist beliefs,mostly still have a nostalgic feeling for “Russia”. And those are the type of Jews he mentions as not being Russophobic.Are the Russophobes,or non-Russophobes,the majority? I’m not sure,but I suspect the question is more defined by Russia’s stance on Israel than anything else.As long as Russia is friendly,or neutral on Israel. The non-Russophobes will probably be important. But if Russia is considered as “pro-Arab” and anti-Israel you will see Russopobia in the lead.

Just as with Saker,I consider Guy Mettan’s book on Russophobia as a most valuable recounting of it. But I think he does leave out the Jewish portion of it. And I suspect that is because he isn’t aware of its past history,concerning the Jews. Unless you study the history of Jews in Russia (and those Jews that left Russia) you can’t get a clear picture of Jewish feelings towards Russia,and Russians.

Mettan is in an invidious situation. Hopefully not to impugn his integrity, but any writer on any subject in the West dare not mention the Jews in any negative manner, whatsoever. The eternal curse of ‘antisemitism’ is deployed like a cudgel at every opportunity to intimidate, vilify and silence, and no matter how brave, determined or innocent one might be, I can barely think of any victims of this witch-hunting who has survived the onslaught with their reputation or career intact.

Thanks for posting the article, Saker. Mettan is a scholar and keeps to his scholarly integrity of “show me the proof”. And lack of knowledge of the class stratification of Jewish society ( there are poor Jews, lots of them who do not identify with the oligarchs) and how that works in different historical times, does not help in this discussion, however. This guy Kolomoisky even set up a parallel Jewish institution when he was unable to take over the existing one and of course he funds it freely ( probably by the 3B he lifted from IMF transfer funds to the Ukraine).

May I point out that when Lenin died, party membership was thrown wide open and consequently the nature of the Russian CP even at the highest levels began to change. What did not change was the historical and developmental challenges faced by all of the Russian peoples at this time.

What I am beginning to understand dimly is that there was a psychology that accompanied the purges and widespread oppression of the populations by the Stalinist regime both of the perpetrators and the victims.

It will be interesting to see how the populations of Turkey manages this as many of them ( non AFP) who were in the streets against the military coup most likely will be listed for elimination of one kind of another ( loss of job, shunning ( no religious funerals for opponents of the regime ) exile etc. in the future.

Why has the publishing world suppressed an official English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s “200 Hundred Years Together”, which should have been done by the regular authorized translators of all his other works?

We know it has been suppressed. We know Jews control the publishing world.

How could this happen?

Seems to be Russophobia by Jews. They attack the book unmercifully in American articles by Jewish experts on Russia and the author.

Another question: given what the Jews of the Pale experienced in Tsarist times, is it not surprising how few of them joined extremists like the Bolsheviks – how many instead sought to get on with their lives, or sought out moderate parties, or sought simply to emigrate? Calling this “Russophobia” seems unwarranted.

You are right about the numbers. But there two points you left out. One was the difference in power to “affect” peoples lives. The Jewish Bolsheviks had a great about of power to affect the lives (either for good or bad.And I think we know the answer to that concerning the secret police) of millions. And two,the others you mentioned,did they dislike or hate Russia. But not actively manifest it.While feeling that hatred within themselves .In some/many cases passing it on to their descendants.I think the large numbers that left Russia (by far surpassing other immigration of non-Jews from Russia in percentage) would give a “clue” that they weren’t “pro-Russian”.

Uncle Bob 1
That a small number of Russian Jews made up a disproportionate number (though still a minority) of Bolsheviks makes the Bolshevik shedding of blood a consequence of “Jewish Russophobia”?

That many of those who emigrated had no great love for Tsarist Russia and its discrimination and pogroms (and didn’t stay to enjoy the success that other Russian Jews enjoyed as Tsarist oppression eased and was then abolished) – makes American paranoia about “Reds” a consequence of “Jewish Russophobia”?

A few Russian Jews have ended up in Palestine and then in Israel. Their hatred of Russia is.. oh, wait… so Israeli Jews don’t hate Russia… Huh, who knew…

There is an appearance of wanting to believe in “Jewish Russophobia” and an eagerness to shoehorn anything into the mold of “evidence of Jewish Russophobia”. This surely isn’t how history should be done.

It wasn’t a small number percentage wise. And those numbers were leading elements, and the cadre level just below leadership. The Bolshevik leadership throughout the Revolutionary period was “fixated” on what they called “Great Russian Chauvinism”. And did as much as they could to weaken Russia’s power in the USSR during that period. They split the Slavs,encouraging regional peoples to become separate nations (Ukraine and Belarus). And set up other minority groups into autonomous “republics” and regions. All for the purpose of weakening Russian influence in the USSR.I’d have to conclude that was a form of Russophobia.

As for the immigration,I don’t understand your thinking there.I think its quite obvious that having left because of not liking Russia would continue to manifest Russophobia in future generations of those people. We’ve seen that in the thinking of the descendants of Ukrainian Bandera supporters that immigrated to the US and Canada. Why that would be different with Jewish immigrants I don’t see.

As for Israel,I think you aren’t seeing the full picture. There were Jewish immigrants from the USSR (and the Russian Empire) that were very anti-Russian. And then there were those Jews that came after the Soviet collapse for economic reasons. Those weren’t necessarily Russophobic (many were actually intermarried.And some only claiming to be Jewish to be able to immigrate there).But that doesn’t negate the fact that Israel has had a Russophobic tradition in its history. That it may or may not be as strong as among Jews in the US,doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

I’m not one that believes that Jewish Russophobia is total among Jews.Nor that it may be as powerful today as some other forms of it .But I believe it is a huge error to overlook it in history. And certainly a mistake to deny it.

Uncle Bob 1
I said a small percentage of the three or five million Russian Jews made up a disproportionate number of Bolsheviks. This does not make Bolshevism “Judeo-” anything. As for “Great Russian Chauvinism”, the Russian minority in the Tsarist Empire did indeed pursue policies to maintain their supremacy over non-Russians. Read any history book.

It seems odd to compare American Jews with Banderists. Yes, I’m sure many retain their parents and grandparents etc. memories of persecution. And many of their parents etc retained a nostalgia for their homeland. The rhetoric here is that this constitutes “Russophobia” which explains American hostility towards Russia. American hostility is surely better explained by anti-Communism in the twentieth century and geopolitics then and now.

Emigration from Russia to Palestine represented about one per cent of total emigration. Emigrants from the USSR were anti-Soviet not anti-Russian. What tradition of “Russophobia”?

I guess we’ll just have to disagree on those points. I think when one portion of a small ethnic group in a society. Has a vast part of the leadership of that state. And imposes their ideas on that state. That that is a very telling fact. I fear now that you are going to claim the Jews in the US don’t also have a disproportionate role for their size in the US As they dominate Hollywood,the media,and banking (as well as some other industries) and yet are not even 2% of US citizens.

Considering the Jewish background of the Ukrainian leaders today. And their alliance with Bandera elements in Ukraine. Why would you think comparing their immigrants would be so odd.I do agree with you that among non-Jewish Americans the anti-Communist hysteria of the Cold War is one of the main reasons for their Russophobia. But since most of the American Communist Party was of Jewish background. I don’t see that as a big factor with most US Jews.

We also will disagree over the Russians in the USSR. The Slavs even after the slaughter of WWII made up 70% of the population there. And the “Russians” are not only East Russians. But as you should know by now being on this Blog. The West Russians (Ukrainians and Belorussians) are also “Russians”. The thinking and claims that they aren’t is a Western Russophobic trick,used by the Bolsheviks as well, to split the Russian people into their regional parts. The same as saying a Bavarian and a Rhinelander are separate peoples instead of all Germans.

The early immigrants from Russia (Russian Empire lands) to Israel made up the leading elements until recently in Israel. And they set the policies for Israel.Their Russophobia was well known for the times. There was some pro-Soviet sentiment in Israel for a time. But that was based on Israeli Jewish Socialists and Communists. It wasn’t a liking for Russians,but for the Communist USSR. And by the middle 1950’s it was mostly gone.

It seems to me,that you are attempting to deny,the undeniable. For what reason I don’t know for sure.

Uncle Bob 1
It is not so very esoteric: when the bulk of a population X does not hold to a particular set of beliefs, it makes little sense to call that set of beliefs “X-ist”. The bulk of Russian Jews in the face of persecution tried either to assimilate or emigrate. A minority chose to get involved in “progressive” politics (social democracy etc.) to better their lot, of whom a minority chose to get involved in radical politics (Bolshevism), of whom a minority expressed their hatred of Russia and all it had stood for vis a vis Russian Jews by playing a significant part in the more murderous of Bolshevik policies. To call this “Jewish Russophobia” is to explain very little and obscure a great deal.

You flip between Russia and the Soviet Union. I said that Russians were, and felt themselves to be, a minority in the Tsarist Empire, and the Tsarist government consciously adopted policies to maintain Russian rule. And, yes, as you said, the term they used to identify themselves as those who should rule was “Great Russians” (quite why “great” but not “little” or “white”, I don’t know – my grip on Russian history is slackening with age and the death of brain cells).

Similarly, with Israel. Of Russian Jews who emigrated from Tsarist Russia, one per cent went to Palestine. The “policies” of the Yishuv had little if anything to do with Russia. After 1948, and more especially from the 1960s, Israel sought the support of the US. Zionists have always been shrewd in which Great Power they exploit. This involved Israel in the Cold War manoeuvres of the US and the Soviet Union. This had nothing to do with “Russophobia”. Israel does not currently evince any “Russophobia”

“Russophobia” is a portmanteau term that includes a large number of distinct historical processes. It is good for generating a sense of grievance, It is not so good for explaining how the world works. Likewise, “Jewish Russophobia”.

“Russophobia” is a portmanteau term that includes a large number of distinct historical processes. It is good for generating a sense of grievance, It is not so good for explaining how the world works. Likewise, “Jewish Russophobia”.

Well of course,it is a complicated issue. But “phobia’s” against a particular race or ethnic group are always complicated.Its usually never “clear cut” on a personal level. Reports were (and used to anger the nazi leaders) that even though most Germans were Judeophpbic to some degree or other. Almost all had “that one” Jew,they liked or didn’t dislike,”Yes all the Jews are bad,except for Jacob,he’s a good guy” was pretty well a feeling among Germans of that period. But still it exists.As the American Justice said “I may not be able to define pornography. But I know it when I see it”.Its usually like that with racism or phobia’s against peoples.

When you say Russians “felt” themselves to be a minority in the Russian Empire. You may mean some in the government did. But I doubt the people felt that way. As I said the “Russians” were the vast majority except in some areas. Saying “Great Russian” is a traditional way of saying the East Russians. As we would say,North Germans,being “somewhat” different from South Germans. But both groups are classed as Germans.How many reports on Germany would say (as an example only) Germans make up 60%,Bavarians 25%,and others 15% of the population. No one studying Germany would accept that. They would rightly say,”wait a minute Bavarians are Germans”. That type of falsity is allowed in the West when considering Russia. West Russians (Ukrainians,Belorussians) are no less “Russian” than East (Great Russians) are. Just as North and South Germans are still both Germans.

And lastly it isn’t that the X population you mention was not holding a set of beliefs. Its that instead they “did” hold a set of beliefs. All didn’t act on those beliefs certainly. But the vast majority from all the records held them. They “feared,hated,disliked,despised,were mildly disturbed by,were nervous of,wanted separation from,”etc,etc,Russians (both East and West Russians). Of course those feelings varied in degree on an individual basis.But except for a very small number I would say those feelings were pretty universal among Jews in Russia.And I would classify that as a “phobia”. On Russian Jewish attitudes,I recommend you read “Fiddler on the Roof”.A fictional book certainly. But so is War and Peace. Yet most think that pretty well told the story and thinking of the time. I believe so did the “Fiddler” tell the intimate story of the Shtetl’s of Russia (Jewish rural towns of Russia. Where most Jews lived at the time).And explains how Jews were though of,and how they though about themselves and their neighbors. There are many “political and historical books “as well on the subject. But they usually don’t reveal what people “personally” thought about different subjects.

Nope. Your latest doesn’t prompt me to any great response, you’ll be glad to hear.

However, “phobia” is a bit like the lawyerly “when did you stop beating your wife”. If we accept the usage, we accept more than there is evidence for.

Russian Jews in Tsarist times had reason to be less than enamoured of their neighbours. Many expressed this by emigrating or trying to assimilate (the fiends!). Many no doubt hated all things Russian (just as many who emigrated missed their homeland). Some (a small minority of the total) of those who remained took the opportunity of the emancipation effected by the Revolution to play an important part in Bolshevism. Calling this “Jewish Russophobia” and pretending it is some great force driving world history is a stretch. The Bolshevik Revolution and all that ensued is to be explained by the enmity of a small minority of the Jews who left the Pale? No-one has yet made clear why we should take this seriously.

(I’m not sure why you struggle with Great Russian nationalism and chauvinism in Tsarist times. I believe it’s covered in most textbooks, as well as several monographs.)

Have a look at the 1897 census. Great Russians were 44 per cent of the Empire’s population. Little Russians, 18 per cent. White Russians, 5 per cent. Perhaps you should tell the Tsarist chauvinists that they were all really Great Russians, and all those nationalists could relax about being a minority in their own empire. (Pity we can’t go back in time and tell people how misguided they were.) The “Yiddish” population, by the way, was 4 per cent (five million souls) – yet, by the simple force of their Russophobia, they managed to murder 60 million Russians…

By your figures “Russians” would be 67% of the population in a much larger Empire. But that in itself is misleading. Since the non-Russians weren’t spread evenly throughout the Empire. But were mostly congregated in the border regions. So of course like all Empires the dominant element was jealous of loosing control of the border regions. Where national minorities were local majorities. But Russian policy wasn’t much different than that found in most of Europe at the time. And in some cases much less effectively applied. Since their policy didn’t do much to change the situation. While in much of Europe regional minorities were assimilated into the national majorities.The situation of the Jews in “Russia” was mostly a “West Russian” and borderlands problem. In the major Great Russian areas very few Jews lived,compared to West Russia and other border regions. And most of the Jews living in those areas were in the large cities. While in West and borderlands Russia, Jews were heavy in the countryside as well as the cities. In close contact with the rural populations,that had centuries of hatred on both sides between them.

I don’t know why you think I believed that the Jews killed 60 million Russians. Those figures are vastly inflated to start with. They also include lives lost in the wars ,revolution,and natural disasters like a famine.So whatever the lessor figure would be, it still wasn’t only Jews involved in their deaths. In-fact some of those deaths were of Jews themselves that opposed the system. But that doesn’t change the fact of Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution and aftermath. For years in the early period Jews made up a leading element in that system. And for some years (if not until the end) had the largest percentage of all the nationalities in the Party.In the early period,by far the highest percentage.

I’m curious,thinking on your answer to someone else about Polish peasants not feeling kindly to Jews,blaming them for helping the nobles to oppress them.Would you consider that as Judeophobia. By most standards the Poles were considered the most antisemitic country in Europe in the pre-war period (until the nazis).Certainly Jewish organizations countlessly complained about that.But maybe you would disagree with that.Since you seem to disagree on how to define Russophobia among Jews. Maybe the Poles were unfairly considered as Judeophobic /Antisemitic,just because they mostly disliked Jews just for being Jews.It seems to me if one people can’t be blamed for having an ethnic phobia for another people.Then another shouldn’t be either.

Uncle Bob 1
We’re going round in circles. The moderator is right to call time. I’ll just add a couple of comments and corrections, if I may, and then you can have the last word, if you want.

We’ve spent too long on Great Russians. Recall I was simply telling you that the “Great Russian Chauvinism” you seemed to think an absurdity was actually a thing. Go read your Tsarist history again.

I didn’t say you claimed Jews killed 60m Russians. You’re not that daft, obviously. Others on this thread are.

You decline to take on board what I say about the more murderous of the Russian Jews among the Bolsheviks being a minority within a minority within a minority… so calling their actions “Jewish Russophobia” is simply misleading.

I don’t think the hatred of Polish peasants for Jewish factors a justification for anti-semitism, by the way. Israel Shahak on diasporas and their relations with the rest of the population is interesting. He compares Jews, Greeks and Chinese. Slevkine takes up the thought and makes a grandiose and (I think) implausible meal of it, but is also interesting. There is a great deal of history to be sifted through to good effect by all sides. My point is simply that “Jewish Russophobia”as a concept does not do much explanatory work but does instil a harmful sense of righteous grievance which clouds the judgement.

@ Alex Sorry, but this point is meaningless without context. “Few” compared to what? You need a non-Jewish control group to make a comparison. If one person in a thousand in my home town is a murderer that sounds like I live in a peaceful city. But if in comparable cities the murder rate is one in ten thousand the murder rate where I live is relatively high.

From the point of view you seem to be arguing one would first need to survey Jewish feelings toward Russians in some statistically meaningful way. One would then need to do the same survey in a non-Jewish population. Preferably with as much in common as possible. At that point one could assess whether anti-Russian sentiment is relatively higher for Jews. I agree that simply stating that “Jews are Russophobic” or not is not a meaningfully definable statement in and of itself.

I know I’m simply repeating what I said to Uncle Bob 1 – but Russian Jews in Tsarist times were at best second class citizens and at worst subject to pogroms. I doubt many enjoyed the experience or felt great warmth towards their persecutors (just as, I imagine, Polish peasants didn’t feel great warmth towards the landowner’s Jewish factor). Most Russian Jews sought to assimilate or emigrate. Some took to progressive politics. A minority of those took to radical politics and revolution. A minority of those were Bolsheviks. A minority of those took part in the more murderous activities of the Bolshevik regime. Lumping all of them together as “Jewish Russophobia” seems at best uninformative. At worst, we get the absurdity evidenced in some of the comments here: the Jews were guilty of the murder of 60m Russians – and this, we are told on the authority of Solzhenitsyn, who must be believed.

There is a great deal of work to be done on the history of the Eastern European Jews and their relations with their neighbours. Someone earlier cited Yuri Slevkine, who makes too much out of a hint of Israel Shahak’s, but is at least a thought-provoking start on a fascinating subject. It is possible to do better than repeat slogans about “Jewish Russophobia”.

My take on the subject of Western (Zionazi) Russophobia is that one needs to look at its constituent parts in general and their main driving forces in particular. Also, it’s imperative paying considerable attention to present political and economical realities which inevitably shape and change all conflicting ideological frameworks, be they secular or religious.

So, what then are the constituent parts of Western Russophobia? The parenthesized expression “Zionazi” above is clearly a hint: we have a Zionist — Jewish supremacist — component at work. Its main driving force or aspiration is Russia’s colonial subjugation through usury, anti-nationalism, and infiltration of the Russian State. This is the irrefutable essence of the twin evils known as Trotskyism and Neoconservatism. Stalin purged Russia of the Trotskyists; Putin leads today’s struggle against the (somewhat wrongly named) “Liberals”, who really are mere traitors working for the Neocons. A striking difference, however, is that the Neocons did achieve their goal, although it was short-lived. Trotskyism has never achieved anything tangible anywhere. Lenin’s government held its ground against the Zionist banksters’ invading mercenaries, and Stalin saw to it that the USSR was able to eventually smash the German Nazis as well as neutralize American nuclear blackmail. Consequently, if we let George Soros represent the Zionist component of Western Russophobia, the verdict is that for all his Cultural Marxist apeshit, it is the Neocons that are his main beneficiaries. Today’s Ukraine is an excellent case in point. After all, George Soros does understand that hordes of emasculated zio-gays, while they wouldn’t mind Western genocidal frenzies against such über-lousy homophobes as the Russians, are way too pampered, lazy, and egocentric to be of any help when it really matters.

Then, alongside the Zionist component just outlined, we have the Euro-American imperialist component/s already covered in Guy Mettan’s book. I don’t have much to add here except for the profound impact of the neoliberal rot of the last 30+ years. If, in the past, the Western imperialist countries were also the world’s main industrial powerhouses, they have very little to show for them today. This means that permanent looting and brigandage globally are now their only way of sustaining what they correctly proclaim as the “post-industrial society”. Hence, appropriating Russia’s colossal wealth for free against the backdrop of all-out anti-Russian genocide presents itself as a most desirable solution given the ominous power shift going on. The West has never been so hated as it is today. Its lies are becoming more scorned and reviled with each passing day, and Russia is a key part in this process.

Last but not least: American Russophobia is indeed ‘Zionazi’ in the most literal sense of the word. It is a hybrid made up of Jewish supremacism and Nazi-American genocidalism.

Just some isolated observation/s: I have a few acquaintances who consider themselves to be Jewish and all of them dispise Russia and Russians. One of them has even spent part of his childhood in Russia. I wonder why and I do not get a logical answer (from my own view). They have ie. difficulties to acknowledge to role of the Red Army in saving thousends of Jewish from the concentrations camps. One of them seemed to be happy when the Russian jet was downed by the Turks.

“Notorious intellectual figures like Stephen Cohen and Noam Chomsky are Jewish but they are among the harshest critics of the russophobes Neocons in Washington! I think we can find as many russophobic Jews as russophiles Jews.”

Right, and the same thing applies to Americans, RCs, etc. This argument is totally specious because it ignores the fact that people are not equal, i.e., some individuals have more power than others. The non-Russophobia Jews are powerless next to the Russophobic ones. His argument is extremely poor, bordering on bad faith.

To my thinking there is only one question to ask here: is Mr. Mettan Jewish?

“Russophobia” is a misnomer because most of the time it means not a phobia or fear but extreme hatred of Russians and/or their government (who are of course a subcategory of Russians, not some other nationality). This hatred gets started and is being forced to continue in the media, and in the education.

Here is a hint for you that may (I hope) be useful: people hate (and/or fear) the Jews because they don’t know them, they don’t know what you do and as a result get paranoid and sometimes believe the worst. Concerning the Russians, the opposite is true — the more someone learns about Russia, the more Russians he personally know, the more reasons he can collect, to hate Russians. In other words, judeophobia is based on paranoia and not knowing what the Jews do, but russo”phobia” is based on hatred and on knowing what Russians do. There is just more differences than similarities between these two ideoligies, and they need to be fought differently. Although I’m not sure how each of them should be fought (if anything even should be done at all).

If you my friend say, that in the education and media in the internetional Jewry, and in Israel, and in Switzerland, than I believe you, certainly you have more expreience with them than I. It’s refreshing to know that these groups don’t support EU economic sanctions on Russia, and killings of Russians, and all these other unacceptable attacks.

“Sterile masses living off parasitically of the body of an alien economic body”–David Ben Gurion Zionist and First Prime Minister of Israel
from Mimaamad Le’am, pg 196

“Those loathsome Jews are vomited by any healthy collective not because they are Jews but because their Jewish repulsiveness”.
—Uri Zvi Greenberg , founded the Ultra-Militant Bris HaBaryonim faction. He believed the Holocaust was the– “tragic but inevitable outcome of Jewish indifference to their destiny”.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXBuUqPndqg

At the risk of sounding… provocative, I’m still going to say it. Anything A. Hitler did was a local and internal issue, at least before the war started, any Jews he killed before the war were Germans, and he was a German. Same could be said about the civil war in Russia and in the post- civil war that ensued, it’s just Russians killing Russians (yes, some of these Russians were Jewish).

It can not be underscored enough, that Germany was under economic sanctions before the second world war, which resulted in economic troubles for Germany. Same for the current, post-Communist Russia. I came to the conclusion that if a person speaks positively or in defense of anti-Russian economic sanctions, then you should treat this person as a killer. Avoid this person forever, this person cannot be your friend.

The posterity will not be kind on the groups and individuals that support anti-Russian economic sanctions. This list may or may not include Israel and international Jews.

How come Saker, the commenters above or even Guy Mettan himself ever even touched on the subject lf Russian Judeophobia as being the leading reason for Jewish Russophobia?

Is the omission deliberate, or due to the inability to see the obvious?

How about the fact that it was Russia who intruded and illegally annexed the Ukrainian territory previously controlled by Poland and then Moldova, and etc, and started the policy of gradually choking the Jewish population of the above territories?

To this day, there has not been a serious study of why the hell Russia allowed itself to treat its unwilling Jewish subjects the way it did , neither any serious historical investigation of the pogroms was ever conducted. Until these questions are answered, it would be laughable and ignorant to even ask , let alone explore the question of why the Jews, particularly Russian Jews were/are so Russophobic.

To paraphrase another “anonymous” writer, it would be more accurate to say that during the end of the 18-th, and throughout the 19-th century Russian imperial expansion, “The notion that in a white, recently newly doubled in size country like Russia, where heterosexual Christian/racist/supremacist/ultra-Nationalist Russian males with the egos the size of Eurasia the existence of a much smaller in size Jewish minority on the western borders of a recently illegitimately- annexed territory, was unacceptable and “offensive” . This was because according to Russian Orthodox doctrine, all the Jews were to be hated, regardless of what they do. The spiritual leaders of the Russian Orthodox church, indoctrinated Russian tzars, nobles gentry and the military to hate the Jews since cradle.

The problem was not that Jews were not “liked enough”, but because with some exceptions, the above mentioned Jew hating groups of Russian society, did all in their power to strangle this Jewish community to death, but failed.

What you touched on is a very complicated and controversial subject. There is not “one answer” but many. I’m not going to “blame” either side for this.But to explain as best I can the circumstances.

During the days of “Rus” when Russia,Ukraine,and Belarus,were one state. There were very few Jews in it. And those that were seemed to be mostly traders in the capitals of the provinces.There are few reports of troubles between the peoples. Next door in Poland the Kings had just opened Poland up to mass Jewish settlement.They had basically no “middle-class” and wanted to expand their trade.At the same time much of Western Europe was going through an antisemitic period. And over the years thousands of Jews settled in Poland.Shortly after that period the Poles and their allies the Lithuanians conquered vast areas of Rus. Southern Rus areas (including the areas Poland had conquered) were being constantly attacked by Tatar’s and other semi-nomadic peoples. Many Rus fled from those areas to Eastern and more Northern Rus (today’s Russia) to escape those attacks.Those areas for a hundred or more years in the South were depopulated and a “no mans land”. Where serf’s fleeing their masters,bandits on the run ,from all sides.And the occasional noblemen ,hoping to get richer by settling those lands (those groups were the first stirrings of what we now know of as the “Cossacks”).

When the Poles started to gain the upper hand in the region (firearms) they started to grant giant areas of those lands to noble families. And they carved out estates,some as big as small countries.Some of those noble families were “ethnic Poles or Lithuanians”,but many of them were Rus families assimilated into the Polish culture.Today many of the noble class in Poland,if you research their roots,started out as Rus families (including a few Polish Royal families). While having the land was important. No wealth could come from it unless it was settled and producing crops.The nobles relocated many peasants from their other lands to the new lands to develop the “black earth” of the steppes.In doing that they also brought the system of having “Jewish middlemen”. The nobles didn’t usually “manage” the estates themselves. And Polish society was very stratified.Christians were nobles,soldiers,or peasants.Very few were traders or shopkeepers,doctors,lawyers,etc.And those Christians were mostly immigrants from other countries ,primarily “the Germanies”.Early on the nobles began to rely on Jews to run the estates and deal (sometimes harshly) with the peasants.The Jews ran the stores in the villages on the estates,where the peasants bartered for goods.They ran the taverns where peasants drank away their worries.They were the overseers on the estates that ordered the workload the peasants suffered. And advised the nobles when peasants “needed” punishment.From going from a land of almost no Jews,where there was little ill feeling towards them.Over a couple of centuries that changed to a land teeming with Jews. In which the contact between the Jews and non-Jews was almost always negative from the peasants (the vast,vast,majority of people there) viewpoint.

At the same time a “religious” struggle among Christians was going on. I think to understand that we need to look at the society of the “Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth” as the state was known back then.When they were separate states in the earlier time. The Poles had become Catholic. But as they conquered lands in Southwest Rus (Galicia) they came to rule over an almost totally Orthodox Rus population.As their rule hardened, many of the Rus noble families adopted Polish culture. And some the Polish language (became Polish). Others ,obeyed Poland but kept their language and religion.In the larger areas of Rus conquered by the Lithuanians things started differently.The Lithuanians were “pagans” at the time. And when they conquered Rus lands they came into contact with a civilized Orthodox Christian people. Over the years many of the Lithuanian nobles settling among them adopted the Rus language and Religion (becoming in effect Rus). When the Lithuanian Grand Duke married the daughter of the Polish King he had to agree to convert the pagan Lithuanians to the Roman Catholic faith. And he became “King of Poland” as well as Grand Duke of Lithuania.Over the years the Polish and Lithuanian high nobility merged together. With the Lithuanians adopting Polish culture and language (they were already Roman Catholic,so it was easier).But the areas of Rus they held were still mostly Orthodox. That was the “age of the Counter-Reformation”.And the Poles created a separate Church as a “half-way house” to convert the Orthodox Rus to Roman Catholicism,the Uniate Church.Their thinking was if they broke their Orthodox subjects away from Orthodoxy they would slowly adopt full Roman Catholicism and the entire state would be under the religious rule of Rome.Many of the Rus nobles (though not all by far) that had remained Orthodox joined the new church.Over time many of those went on to join the actual Roman church and adopted fully Polish language and culture.Further dividing them from the vast majority of the peasant class.Not “trusting” the peasants,they turned more and more to the Jews as middlemen to carry out their wishes towards the peasants.

In the major areas of old Rus that became Russia.There were very few Jews.The Christian faith in general ,of the period was anti-Jewish. Equating the Jews as Christ-killers,and not wanting any non-Christian faiths to have autonomy in those countries.In the rest of Europe they had co-existed for centuries (usually badly) with Jews. And grudgingly came to accept them as “just there”.But in the Rus lands the introduction of large scale Jewish immigration was directly related to Polish and Lithuanian rule. And it was clearly seen that way by the Rus majority.Whenever a revolt against the Poles would break out. The Jews seen as the Polish nobles “creatures” would be attacked in “pogroms” and killed or forced to flee. But as the revolts were “crushed” they would be back even more powerfully in the nobles service. This went on for a long time until much of the area of “Ukraine” rose in a great rebellion during the 1640’s and turned to Russia for protection.Many Jews were killed or fled that area. Increasing the already large numbers of Jews in the non-free areas of “Ukraine” (Russia had laws forbidding Jews to live in Russia).

In the 18th Century with the Partitions of Poland,under Catherine the Great.And the annexation of Crimea (which included most of Southern and Eastern Ukraine of today),Russia found herself in control of all of old Rus. And with a very large Jewish population.Because of the laws forbidding Jews in Russia that presented the state with a huge problem.The Russian elite was an “enlightenment elite” and wasn’t necessarily anti-Jewish. But the mass of the population,having no connection with Jews. And only knowing them from what the Church taught. And from what they heard from their Rus brothers was very anti-Jewish. So to stop threats of pogroms the government ordered that Jews were only allowed to live in the “New Russian provinces” where Jews had traditionally lived.The famous (or infamous) Pale of Settlement.Its important to remember that in those days and previously “Jewish” was only a religious designation and had nothing ethnic or racial about it,that is a modern construct. If you converted to Christianity or to Judaism you became one or the other.So there were many cases of Jews joining either the Polish or Russian ethnicity by conversion over the centuries. And some cases of ethnic Poles or Russians becoming “Jews” by conversion in those days.The Tsars held hopes that in time the Jews of the “Pale” would convert and assimilate to Russian culture (a vain hope as time showed).As the 18th turned to the 19th,and then the 20th century,life became very difficult in the Pale.The hatred on both sides was strong. The Jews felt constricted and oppressed. And the Rus peasantry still saw the Jews as their oppressors.It was Western “Russia” that was the center of the “so called Jewish question”.

Several big changes in Russia concerning the Jews came about in the 19th and early 20th centuries.First Jews in small numbers began to be allowed (or to do it without permission) to live in other parts of Russia (the big cities).Second,there was a mass Jewish immigration to other parts of Europe,and an even larger immigration of Jews to North America from Russia.Third,among the Jewish communities there were some that started to consider themselves as a part of Russia (the Litvak movement).And others that adopted the “new” Socialist ideas of the day.Forth,the Tsarish government seeing that many of the “agitators and radicals” causing them trouble were Jewish,began to again tighten restrictions on Jews in Russia. But by then they were faced with the outbreak of the 1905 Revolution.And the aftermath of that ended the “Pale of settlement”. And brought full civil rights for Jews in Russia.So that when WWI and later the 1917 Revolution broke out Jews made up a very large number of those fighting the Russian government through underground activities. And were leading elements in the Socialist Revolution.As some of the most numerous supporters of that revolution,they held a commanding position in the leadership for years.And made up some of the most numerous and loyal, to the new Bolshevik government ,of the “repressive ” forces.They headed,and when not heading,were still a major part of the secret police forces throughout the early USSR.In the leadership and repressive forces they were always represented way above their numbers in the population.And ever the majority in some periods of those groups.With the fall of the USSR many Jews in the USSR left the country for Israel and for the US.And many of the ex-Communist Jews that were managers in the economy became the “New” oligarchs in ex-Soviet states..

As I said,the issue of the Jews and Russia is long and complicated. I’ve just scratched the surface with this short overview.

this overview is excellent. One might add that („ethnic“) Jews were not only „represented way above their numbers in the population“ within the repressive forces, but also in the cultural, „professional“ (doctors etc.) and scientific sectors, in journalism… just as in many other countries, and always for similar reasons. One might also add that after the destruction of the CCCP many Jews also left for Germany, where a special arrangement (unlimited immigration, nearly no questions asked) had been agreed upon for this occasion – which led to the present Jewish communities in Germany now being dominated by Jews with Russian mother tongue, Russian habits and manners, Russian needs (e.g. cultural, which the Russkij Dom in Berlin does its best to fulfill with „concerts“ and groups of all sorts).
If now you could make it a habit to use the Full Stop key only when it is due, and the Comma key in all other cases, it would be simply perfect.

As always these things are nuanced, so thanks for filling in some of the detail. My father was born in Galicia and I picked up at a young age that he didn’t have a high opinion of Jews. They were regarded as exploitative and disdainful of the peasant population is what I picked up from him. Not knowing any Jews back then it meant nothing to me, but I have learnt over time and after many of experiences, the almost inate mistrust was probably with good cause.

I, though, have endeavored to understand the estrangement between Jewry and the rest of us as impartially as I can. That hasn’t always been so easy as, after living among a large Jewish community, I experienced the strong and abiding ethnocentricism that the Jews have and how that can be at the cost of the out group or goyim. And I, along with a good few disavowed Jews, have observed this as manifesting in ways that, if they were an individual, would have them locked up for the public safety.

I am now, at my mature years, of the unshakeable opinion that when the Jews are working out schemes for their own collective benefit, they spell trouble for the rest of us. And the gravest danger we are in is when they control the reigns of power, when those in the highest of public office pay tribute to them, as was the case with Theresa May the day before she became Prime Minister.

If I was a religious man I’d say that some powerful and dark force is working through them, like a collective anima.

That also is very complicated. In those days there were “laws”, that prescribed the careers that certain groups could follow (or more importantly,”not follow”). Almost all land was owned by noble families,the crown,or the church’s. Many if not most towns and villages (even some of the few large cities) were owned by those classes of the population.

The Christian peasants (probably 80%+ of the population),and the Jews, were forbidden to own land. And the peasants forbidden to be anything except peasants (unless recruited as soldiers.When a few favored ones could change their station in life,if lucky). Jews could work as merchants,estate agents,overseers on the estates,tavern keepers. And when servicing their own communities ,butchers,blacksmiths,craftsmen,doctors,lawyers,judges,and of course Rabbi’s.But only rarely could they offer those services to those not Jewish (and never Rabbinical services). The tiny Christian middle classes were made up of a “few” locals. But mostly assimilated families of foreign Christian (or converted Jewish) origin.

Over time developed a “them and us” feeling among both the Jewish and Christian communities. That only began to change with the French Revolution and the reforms of the early 19th Century. But laws can be changed much easier that feelings instilled over centuries. The Jews already having experience in “middle-class” businesses,once they were opened to the entire population,came to dominate a lot of them.While most Christians were still mired in their traditional occupations (land owner,churchman,soldiers and police,ruling elements,and peasants). The reforms that opened up all careers to Jews. Also opened up those middle-class careers to Christians. And the numerous sons of Christians began to feel that the Jews monopolized the new middle-class positions in society. In some societies in Eastern Europe Jews were 60% + in many “professions”,while in Poland as an example (the highest) their population was around 8-9% of the population.

That led quickly to antisemitism on one side. And further reinforced the feelings of separateness among Jews.Both feelings never far from the surface in any case.The Christians saw “the Jews” as religious enemies not loyal to the country. And the peasantry in particular saw the Jews as “exploiters”.That in the past worked for the nobles to oppress them.And now exploited them as shop keepers and local capitalists. The Jews saw the Christians as religious enemies,and the face of the “state” trying to exploit them with taxes and for bribes. And saw the peasantry as a mob always ready to kill them given any excuse.That period also saw the rise of Socialism sweeping Europe. And while many in both communities embraced it. Percentages by far of Jews became Socialist (Socialism preached equality,easily very attractive to the Jews in Eastern Europe at that time).

As you mentioned Galicia,it was one region where those feelings in the communities were the highest. It was the region of Poland (at that time) with the highest number of Jews,and the poorest region in the state).Both communities were well known for immigration ,to hopefully avoid poverty. I saw a Polish movie a while ago that inadvertently brings out on a personal level what you mentioned. The story was about a Polish Jewish boy trying to avoid capture by the nazi death squads.Some Poles helped him,and he pretended to be Polish. One Polish helper was trying to get him to a safer spot. And asked a Polish fisherman with a row boat to row the boy downstream to another area. The fisherman agreed. And during the trip the boy offered the fisherman part of a sandwich he had to eat. The fisherman said ” since when did you people get so generous. Are you sure you are Jewish”.The man was willing to help the boy to live. But the traditional dislike for “Jews” as exploiters was still there. While of course just a film. I think it mirrored the general feelings of the common people of that time pretty well.

Jews were persecuted throughout all their history right from the city of Ur – evra/hebra = “those who crossed the river”, ancient Egypt and Babylon, if one believes their story, Roman Empire, medieval Spain, England, France, to 20-th century Germany, Poland, Hungary, Italy etc. Many of those much more violent and severe than Russian one. Even in Canada some 60 years ago there were signs “Forbidden for dogs and jews”. So, why russophobia/hatred and not hispanophobia, anglophobia, francophobia etc.?

In 1989 I overheard a conversation between two romanian doctors and two jewish doctors in a medical institute cafeteria, a conversation which I will remember all my life. One of the jewish doctors was saying something like this : ” You know, we jews educate our children to hate others and you educate your children to love, that’s why we get a competitive edge. Hate gives you energy, hate mobilises, hate makes you more competitive and wanting to overcome your opposition. Love makes you week and lazy.” I remembered over the years this jewish doctor’s opinion about hate and it fits a pattern. It seems that, for jews, hate is an intelectual energiser, an intelectual “Red Bull energy drink”. In our present time we witnessed Iran-phobia, with crazy mullahs and iranian terrorists all over the world ready to strike at any minute. We witnessed Irak-phobia, with Saddam Hussein being the second coming of Adolf Hitler. We witnessed the Islamo-phobia and the invention of the term Islamo-fascist. When we analyse these phobia’s origin we always find a little jew working over-time. So it is my opinion that there is only one russophobia and that is jewish russophobia, because these is jewish modus operandi. You can’t find this in China. The chinese may have a hostile atitude towards the japanese, but not a japanese-phobia. All the other russophobias are opportunistic russophobias, where others catch the disease from the jews trough ignorance, fear or opportunism.

My son played soccer for his high school and I attended at all games. When they played against a jewish school everyone was shocked by the violence the young jews displayed on the field, the way they harassed opposition players and referees. Some parents from our school took their sons off the game and the impression we got about the jews was extremely negative and then I understood why they were generally disliked and banned from many countries in Europe.

I’m not entirely sure that I want to weigh in on this one. But maybe Jews are non-existent. There are people, to be sure, who look to their spiritual heritage through the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And then there are people who adopt a label, an identity to christen their tribalism. Finally, there are those on the outside who use the label to point to the tribalism.

I usually refrain from commenting on topics concerning Jewish matters because I can not be bothered with the controversy it usually – well always – invokes. I will say this though. When talking about ‘Jews’ & anything associated, it would not be a bad idea to qualify who & what ‘Jews’ are. I say that because all ethno/cultural/national – basically collective & communal identities are social constructions, which is not to say they are artificial, I absolutely reject the argument of anti-nationalists that all national identities are essentially fake & therefore illegitimate. My point is that these are extremely complex matters & Jews are an extremely broad ranging category of people if one considers the entirety, where do Ethopian Jews fit into the picture? What, if any, distinctions are their in the attitudes of Sephardic to Ashkenazi Jews were Russians & Slavs are concerned? My own understanding of northern European Jewry is that we are talking in the main people who are of the same descent as the majority society in the countries in which they live, meaning that German Jews are/were essentially German – if we accept there is such a thing as a ‘German.’ I am aware of some genetic studies that have been undertaken which apparently trace Ashkenazi Jewish origins to the Caucausus, thus adding fuel to the theory about Khazars, but I have not looked into this enough to comment on its validity. My understanding is that the evolution of Judaism as a religion in northern Europe, that is Europe north of the Alps, is that it was very closely related to restrictions on certain practices within the Chrisitian church, such as usury, which is where the stereotype of Jews as ruthless moneylenders originates from. Apparently, some of the most infamous & notorious ‘elite’ Jewish families such as the Oppenheimers & Rothschilds practised Christianity for generations as the religion of their ancestors, whilst proclaiming themselves as ‘Jews’ in order to engage in financial business & become integrated into a freemason type network. Some commentary I’ve read over the years claims that Judaism in northern Europe was essentially a masonic sect in its early incarnation. This may all seem a bit speculative, my point is this, there are Jews, & there are Jews, & there are vast differences between them. The Jews we know as the wealthy banking dynasties are essentially a masonic type network, but their ethnicity is essentially a combination of Anglo-German. This is important for those who wish to gain a clear idea about who really runs/rules the world & is there a secret cabal, Jewish or otherwise? My answer to this would be that there most certainly is a cabal, & in the main it is made up of the nobility & aristocracy of north-western European origin, i.e. Anglo-German & that its Jewish component is a specific branch related to finance & essentially of Anglo-German descent itself. This group is extremely Russophobic as with the remainder of their Anglo-German or Nordic network, for the simple reason that Russia has always presented an obstacle to their total domination of the world, in addition to representing a different civilization model based around the Orthodox church, which they wish to destroy. There’s also one more thing to bear in mind, Jews are absolutely used as exponents of power, & basically set up to be hung out to dry if & when the s##t hits the fan. Again, that is not to say that there really is a powerful network of wealthy Jewish bankers, but these are the ones we always hear about, like the Rothschilds, as if they were the only ‘elite’ family out there with vast power & wealth & influence. You don’t here so much about the Harriman family, or the Astor family, or the Russell family, & it goes on & on. It always strikes me to what extent Jews are set up to take the flack, & that means that that is the deal, they are supposed to take the flack. Like Soros, who is now notorious throughout the world. I remember in the 90s when he was heavily involved in anti-Serbian subversion in ex-Yu & no one but the Serbs had heard of the guy, now everyone has heard of him, but he is an exponent for sure.

Ok, I‘ll also try, like so far only Nussiminen, it seems, and only in his first paragraph, to sort out the problem/s in a systematical way: The Guy-Mettan-problem. The Jewish problem. The antisemitic problem. The world problem with Jews, antisemites and guys like Taguieff or Mettan and with the fact that neither the Jews nor their enemies (not to speak of their friends, supporters, sabbat goys) were able to solve our world problems so far.

Guy Mettan, according to his biography in the web, is so main stream and politically correct that it would be unfair to expect to read anything non mainstream and politically correct from him. Do you want to ruin him? To lose the support of you know who? He lives in one of the richest countries of the world and is one of its rulers, and has to be in harmony with his surroundings (beware, Guy, someone wants to bomb a nice swiss family living in Zug. Seehttp://benjaminfulfordtranslations.blogspot.de/2016/07/english-benjamin-fulford-19072016-full.html. Don‘t visit them the evening they‘ll be bombed, will you?). He even adopted a Russian girl, just like the great russophile and führer into the war against Yugoslavia and with all that best friend of Vladimir Putin‘s, Gerhard Schröder. Did Schroeder get the RU citizenship, too, for that? As rückversicherung? Rülps.

Now… now it seems better to solve the antisemitic problem first. An antisemite is everybody who does not endorse everthing the Jews do, did, will do or could do and could or should have done and/or does not accept the universal truth (the constant) that the number is six million, not one less etc. So, everybody here (except Guy Mettan) is an antisemite. And thus a problem for the Jews and the Politically Correct. My problem with you guys is the liberal (!) use you make of the definite article plural, which in english happens to be „the“: THE Jews did… did not… did THEy? why did THEy? and so on in eternity.

For example, Anonymous at 14:41UTC: „…most jews are heavily indoctrinated…not all jews are bad of course …but many jews are victims too pretty elaborate and extremes methods of developing ethnocentric behavior.“ – Some of you antisemites point out when you feel like it that „before WW II there were 15 mln Jews, and after 16 mln“ or similar… So, there may be 20 mln Jews today? Then you, Anonymous, pretend you know for sure that at least 10.000.001 Jews „are heavily indoctrinated that they are a constant victim and everyone alse are constant perpetrators.“ Fine, if you know that for sure, but what is your source? Did you speak with all of them? One thing I learned about Jews (truth or not) is that they tend not to be too stupid. They seem to anger us most by employing their intelligence for projects we wish they had never touched – but not for ruining every great thing by being just too brainless to support it. Are they really poor victims? Not only of the nazis but also of bad propagandists who then must be a force exterior to jewishism? How come, then, that the MSM are also Jewish? Are the Jews victims of the Jews? Wouldn’t it then be the best antisemitic strategy to wait until all the one Jews victimized all the other Jews?

Or this gentleman apparently from that nation that in the XVIIIth s. AD prided itself to be the most intelligent on Earth, on 15:05UTC: Yes stealing is not what God expects us to do, and when Russkies or Germs do it (at the same moment, within the same complot between the Germ rulers of three empires), G*d‘s punishment is that among what they grabbed is G*d‘s own people, and while they were ordinary, positive citizens of the Rzecz Pospolita (the Polish „Common Cause”/Commonwealth), they are stolen wealth in Russia and Prussia, and do not resent it at all, but practice their knowledge under the changed circumstances – which the thieves, as they suddenly remark after 200years, are not too happy about: „Since then Russia has been trying hard to assimilate the Jews with some limited success..“ – aw yes, stealing is a mistake, after all, who would have thought it (and the brave Jews who stole Palestine widely outside its UN-guaranteed borders? Were punished in the same way by their G*d, by suddenly making them the owners of hundreds of thousands of non-jews who have nothing better to do but to annoy them!) Now, Jean: „ It seems that those which participate in the bolchevik revolution and even under Stalin did enjoyed killing Russian and Ukrainians. I think those ones could be accused of Russo-phobia.“ I see that you studied the history of The Great Socialist October Revolution and that of the Great Patritotic War, and thus came to know (what I know not since I spent my life on other studies) that there never was any command chain in Soviet Russia and the CCCP, but that everybody was free to do what they liked best. The Jews, of course, with their inborn russophobia, wanted most to kill off a maximum number of pure blooded Russians (but never anyone of any other nationality of that great and big country), and did just that. Oops, plus pure-blooded Ukrainians. And no-one else. I did not study the subject as well as you did, but now I am sure that the secret archives of the KGB, should they ever be opened, will reveal just that: during the Revolution, during the Purges, during the Hunger, during the War, only pure blooded Russkies and Ukros had to suffer while everybody else had nothing to fear, and prospered without limits. Great! Obviously, if all of this was exactly so, it was and is a smashing proof of Jewish russophobia!

Now the Jewish problem, my version. I never met THE jews, only a small number of them in real life, and some more in books. There was a time when I wondered why all authors worth reading were Jews (meaning everybody having at least one drop of Jewish blood within them, which excludes them from being pure-blooded… and could open the question why such people are called necessarily “Jews“ and not after all the other drops of blood they may possess)? Is this a Jewish plot, making everybody else look stupid, unable to write the smallest text that makes sense, is well written, interesting, AND sells well? Obviously, it is. Then how come that such nice and superior people do such nasty and unworthy and dirty and criminal things as Soros does, or as Frau Albright does, or as Frau Hunover does, or as Frau „Merkel“ does, or as the MoSSad does day in and day out? My handmade ad hoc explanation is along the same lines as offered here, but with a twist. In my experience and view, Jews tend to be everywhere AND intelligent AND active AND indoctrinated with a lot of stuff they may reject, so that they are not steered by it, but which they still remember, so that they are still influenced by it. If a nasty and unworthy and dirty and criminal intelligence looking for collaborators for their nasty etc plans meets such people, they will be inclined to try to use them, and trying it check different possibilities, finding some that do not work while others work. In my understanding of the Jewish problem a casual appeal to „show it to them“, to play the others a prank, will be much more successful than a teutonicly perfect indoctrination. In short, real evil powers will find a way to steer anybody – but rarely this makes sense and is worth the effort. With average Jews, however, you, the devilish seducer, can be sure that whatever they accept as a thing to try and to do will be done intelligently, effectively AND around the whole world in no time, since they are so bloody cosmopolitan. Thus, you find them everywhere, the visible ones in positions of influence (a tautology, but applicable only to those it applies to). And since the real nasty intelligences that want to ruin everything worthwile want to ruin Mother Russia first, their most intelligent and most influential helpers, assets, murderers tend to be Jews, too. Among sworn communists, bolsheviks, commissars (who only ever killed pure blooded Russians, vide supra, and never did anything else) as well as among sworn communism haters, capitalists and executioners for capitalism. Excellent musicians tend to be Jews, too, a conspiracy against everyone in music without talent. In science, too…. aw my G*d!

That being said, just some more remarks about the World Problems not related to Nibiru, but with the same goal of destroying our world we are used to and like to some extent. It seems to me that good folks like you and me always had troubles with nasty guys above us. But only during the last times are they proceding in a very systematical way so that we can recognize patterns in their dealings. These patterns have been explained on the Internet in general and in detail: a certain party wants to rule the whole world alone, wants to kill 90% of us and steal not only everyting these 90% leave behind, but also everything the remaining 10% had, using them as their slaves who make their, the conspirators, lives comfortable. That party of outspoken would be mass murderers are together a World Conspiracy (WC), and nothing we know about it and repeat day-in day out proves that this is especially and only a Jewish WC (as certain people claim). Those that do the doing (with at least silent submission, with absence of adequate resistance)- nearly all Americans, and especially their representatives and officials for the use of weapons etc., likewise nearly all the english plus their 5 Evil Eyes, but also nearly all Germans, all French (some go to protest meetings, but they are all irrelevant as long as they don‘t do what the Jewish cmmissars did in Russia) – all those belong to different nationalities, religions etc, but it is not at all clear and proven that they are all Jewish and do their WC for achieving genuine, typical Jewish goals. No, there is a WC which aims at destroying nearly all of us, and uses everybody who agrees to cooperate, and most do. „Hitler“ was a famous „antisemite“, but he was a Jew, and he did what he did within the framework of an english plan for the submission of the Middle East (through a bridgehead of useful idiots, Jews, as instruments not masters of that plan), which, however, is a repetition of the same planning and acting 900 years earlier, whose first deed in the conquered territory was to burn alive all Jews they could find, which our nobles of the purest European blood did as a matter of course.

Shorter: someone rules us and ridicules and damages us, and launches everybody against everybody; in that simple explanations are used: „See? THEY are against YOU, so YOU must be against THEM! Now, Go! Analyzing situations precisely and speaking about that in a precise manner seems to me one first step in disabling the WC‘s abilities to reach their goals by indoctrinating and thereby steering everybody else.

“That’ s why it is possible to speak of an American russophobia, which is largely spread in the media”

“The media”, does this guy mean the western msm, you know, those guys who are owned and run by zionist Jews and who absolutely refuse to allow any pov that conflicts with their propaganda themes? So these israeli loyal sods are not Russophobic Jews? And why would an industry which is essentially israeli loyal throughout persist in Russophobia if this was against the interests of israel?

I have refrained from joining in because you are giving such good account of yourselves in demolishing Mr. Mettan’s fallacies and my comments would be repetitive and otiose. Obviously the topic has irked a raw nerve and, in spite of our generous disposition and magnanimity towards all races, there is a particular Chosen variety that has endured more than any other in our perception of evilism.

History has spoken and its verdict pronounced often enough that the Jewish race and its Zionist ideology is averse to a humanistic conception of man. The author says that Russian jews are as Russian as any other ethnic group in the country and equates that to the Swiss experience where three linguistic groups (I would add another one) are a model of harmonious co-existence. Well, that’s reduction ad absurdum and requires no further argument.

Thank you Kim, this is a sniper like observation! I’m just glad so many people here refused to swallow the poison served to them by the zionists media, their fake institutions and their fake “pretend to be humanist” culture. Whatever they touch (through their proxies solders) turns into death and destruction.

I have been reading this blog for years and this is the first time I am inclined to comment. Not only because Mr. Mettan has been kind enough to adhere to a “debate”, but also because this essay touches on a very interesting topic. I have not read the book (just Saker´s review on it) and I have no knowledge or experience in this particular issue. What I do know is about manipulation, logic, and argumentation theory.

The truth is, leaving out an entire “class” from study because “some people” in that “class” do not fill the requirements to be labeled as “russophobic” is as valid an argument for any other “class” that was indeed addressed.

Furthermore, on the assumption that Mr. Mettan is an intellegent person, this can only be attributed to fear, self preservation, the intent to publish, or bad faith. Should I consider Mr. Mettan a lesser brain, than for sure many other reasons could be pointed out but wasting our time with it would be futile.

Considering the purpose of this essay would be to call the attention to the issue of russophobia, as well as considering that most Russian authors are discounted for the MSM, it stands to be true that Mr. Mettan might well be considered an authority on this issue.

Therefore, it is my opinion, that Mr. Mettan’s essay, inadvertently or not (I will not judge the merits on that) stands to serve other causes more than it does the Russian one.

For I can only imagine in relation to this topic Mr. Mettan being quoted everywhere as saying “there is no jewish russophobia”. Everything else is just meaningless. And it does more harm than good to the Russian cause.

Whether it be intentionally or not, the “results” of this essay can be interpreted two ways: 1. Russophobia exists; 2. There is no jewish Russophobia.

I’ll let you think for yourselves which purpose you think this essay will serve. What I do know is it is a prime target for textbook manipulation. Acknowledge the problem, divert the causes…

The embarrassed (short of pathetic) response of Mettan reinforces my suspicion that the main thrust of his book is precisely to exculpate the Jews of their role in the tragic history of “Russian” Revolution. He cannot abstain from peddling the meme that the Jews are the principal victims of the invented “phobias”.
“In my view, such a Jewish russophobia has never existed and still does not exist today.(BS1)
Jewish russophobia… in my view this is not relevant.(BS2)
In conclusion, considering the history of the XXth Century, judeophobia is certainly the worst phobia, the most cruel one, whatever we can think about Jews and the politics of the State of Israel against Palestinians.” (BS3 to infinity).

“I don’t share the views of the Russian writers or authors who have raised the question of the Jews in Russia. That’s an internal debate. I tried to read Chafarevitch but I could not understand what his problem was.”

Without trying to pick holes, but “Chafarevitch” is another giveaway. He never read anything that Shafarevich (who actually had coined the term ‘Russophobia’ and is the ‘bête noire’ of the anti-antisemites) wrote (I wonder whether he knew who Shafarevich was). The French spelling of his name indicates where his ‘information’ comes from (Vladimir Vladimirovich Posner, the son of Vladimir Solomonovich Pozner, a well known “public anti-fascist, and militant Jewish communist” – a rather central figure in the ‘antifascist, cominternist, trotskyist’ sewer, but who sported himself as part of “russkie evrei”, and at the same time a member of the spy-ring of Alexander Rado “Dora”, which operated from Switzerland, btw). Solomon Vladimirovich Pozner was a historian and emancipationist, cum ‘revolutionary’ (hailed as “the greatest Russian Jew and a great Russian citizen”) who fled Russia to France ‘because of the pogroms’ after the Revolution of 1905.
But one may wonder why this book was issued now. My suspicion is that it is part of the subtle reorientation of Israel towards Russia. Hey, we were always friends, haven’t we? It would suggest that really Russia is now calling the shots in the ME swamp. “Prominent politicians like Avigdor Lieberman are not anti-Russian”, are they?

Agreed, Mettans’s response is suspiciously devoid of any intellectual substance and depends instead on kindergarten logic about ‘we can find as many russophobic Jews as russophiles Jews’, etc. Since Mettan obviously has brains, yet his response to the Jewish Russophobia question does not display any, there must be some ulterior motive at work here.

Quote: Guy Mettan: Jewish russophobia has never existed and still does not exist today ??
Just to confirm this, ..It was the Irish commissars who genocides 60 millions Russians ??
As well the Russophobic western press is owned by Russophobic Irish ??

Surely ad hominem arguments aren’t “by definition non sequiturs” – Is there not a form of ad hominem that takes the opponent’s own premises and demonstrates that they imply a conclusion the opponent does not accept.

There is a form of argument frequently used here: There are some Jews who hate some Russians, therefore there is “Jewish Russophobia”.

This might just be word inflation. But it has the appearance of guilt inflation. “Some” Jews hate some Russians (“some” Jews were leading Bolsheviks and the Bolsheviks killed lots of fellow Russians), so Jews are to blame for whatever bad things happened to Russians.

There are some Russians hate some Jews – this is as probable as some Jews hating some Russians (there may even be some Russians hate all Jews), therefore there is “Russian Judeophobia”. Can that be right?

I think the whole discussion of „russophobia“ is wrong (whether Mettan‘s book is a masterpiece or not) because any „-phobia“ worth speaking of is a state one cannot help falling into, or, according to wikipedia, „a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation the affected person will go to great lengths to avoid, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed. If the feared object or situation cannot be avoided entirely, the affected person will endure it with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities“.

Phobyists avoid their phobic subject while the scum Russia and her friends have to deal with rejoice immersing themselves into it like children in a mud battle. Those *preaching* (as against „suffering from“) russophobia are sane or insane, but healthy and sly persons who preach others nonsense for earning money or other rewards, not different in principle from selling toothpaste. Yes, Kassandra: „Nothing personal, just business“.The yardstick for their questionable sanity is not whether the propaganda sham they preach is the truth (by definition: not) or not, but what they are doing to themselves with being aw so sly.

There is a story by Bert Brecht (unfortunately only partially remembered) about a very sly boy. Applying his slyness he managed to get in the possession of a golden ring, which lawfully belonged to others. These others then joined forces to get the ring back by beating the boy up so much that he was about to die. But while life was leaving him he was so sly that he found a way to stay in possession of that ring even then: he swallod it. At which the story stops but in reality probably continued with his body being denied a decent funeral, and instead being slit up for getting that ring, after which it may have been simply thrown on a garbage dump.

Bolcheviks and NeoCo(h)ons are just happen to be jewish.Thats a coincedence goyim.Nothing to see here ! Its just happens to be that Mrs.Kagan aka Nudelman was the force behind the coup,its just happens to be that jewish neocons want war with Russia over Ukraine,it just happens to be that all important political figures in Ukraine behind the madness are jews.Right sector (((nazis))) are even going to Israel for their rehab…but thats just …muh holocaust…!

I am a bit disappointed by the answer of M. Mettan, as some of the arguments developed are fairly weak.

Let’s take the first one : there are as many high-profile Jewish figures for Russia than there are against Russia.

This is an assertion that is not backed by hard figures and also does not match with our experience. We could as well say that there many high-profile American figures which are russophiliac (even Donald Trump !). I could say that, in France, many of our politicians are sympathetic to Russia. Philippe de Villiers, Nicolas Sarkozy, Marine Le Pen. In Germany, you have Sigmar Gabriel, Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

But it would be naive to say that, despite those names, russophobia doesn’t exist in all those countries.

Further, I disagree with Mettan’s assertion that russophobia is well-entrenched at all levels of society. Talking from France, my impression is that a) the vast majority doesn’t really care about geopolitics, and views Russians neutrally, with a fair share of clichés (e.g. hard-drinking and vodka-swilling), but without any active hatred. For the rest, I would dare to say that among regular folks the Russia sympathizers nowadays far outnumber the Russia-haters.

Russophobia, true red-hot russophobia, seems confined to small circles of powerful people who, by virtue of theirs controlling vast swathes of the media landscape, manage to influence the general public but, at best, create only a general dislike, not the kind of active hatred you need to really go to war. Considering a fact widely pointed at by others, i.e. the very high percentage of Jewish people among those circles of power most actively engaged against Russia, it becomes very hard to dismisse Jewish russophobia, at least to dismiss it as hastily as M. Mettan does here.

I find especially the last part of M. Mettan’s intervention disappointing, a real non-sequitur. What’s the point in mentioning in the end Jewish suffering and the tragic toll of judeophobia ? I don’t see what this has to do in this context.

Today people in the West when they speak about nations mean countries and governments.
While people in Russia speaking of any nation mean the nationality (which can be described in this way: a family – a group of related families (clan or kin) – union of clans (kins) – nation).
That is why we (in Russia) do not understand the West, for whom any nation is just something like a flat in a block of flats. Today “I” live in this “flat” (and “block of flats”), tomorrow – in another “building” (i. e. country). So “my” nationality from the western point of view is equal to my current place of residence.
That is why it seems to me that Guy Mettan just cannot understand what The Saker is talking about here…

The argument is against the realitity.
Jewish are not the Israel state, Colombian are not the Colombia state, and russians are not Russia state, but Israel state had inside or togheter Ucranian coup, by means of the secure services and Donbass War. See Odessa facts:

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