tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post1515678468344200997..comments2015-02-24T21:08:27.625-05:00Comments on Mayerson on Animation: The Mystique of the NineMark Mayersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00065971589878678848noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-43307479469317224362008-04-18T00:21:00.000-04:002008-04-18T00:21:00.000-04:00http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/brad-bird-on-oll...http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/brad-bird-on-ollie-johnstonBlakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18071921222293354198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-2491297307852114122008-04-17T09:34:00.000-04:002008-04-17T09:34:00.000-04:00Terribly sad loss, but I can't help to think that ...Terribly sad loss, but I can't help to think that there is got to be a new, fresh and original way to create "Illusion of Life" in hand drawn animation now. Let's stop looking back. I dare the young generation to try it!Ikonoklasthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picassonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-15105633437536648802008-04-16T18:04:00.000-04:002008-04-16T18:04:00.000-04:00I found Bill Peet's comment that "there were only ...I found Bill Peet's comment that "there were only nine animators"... "There sure weren't nine old story men" very interesting.<BR/><BR/>From Walt's People volume 3 p.163PaulBunyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06263480679805041620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-80718219479899327132008-04-16T17:18:00.000-04:002008-04-16T17:18:00.000-04:00I take it for granted, Thad, that on any animation...I take it for granted, Thad, that on any animation subject worth talking about, Mike Barrier has already been there and in more depth.Mark Mayersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00065971589878678848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-38070028995414921372008-04-16T17:08:00.000-04:002008-04-16T17:08:00.000-04:00Excellent post, Mark. For a more critical respons...Excellent post, Mark. For a more critical response to the Nine Mythology, <A HREF="http://www.michaelbarrier.com/Commentary/Williams_and_Canemaker/Williams_Canemaker.htm" REL="nofollow">Mike Barrier summed it up fairly well years and years ago</A>.Thadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04443425643665474645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-66435119760397166412008-04-16T12:51:00.000-04:002008-04-16T12:51:00.000-04:00It has always been wondered, if the title was only...It has always been wondered, if the title was only bestowed the best ones, what level of work we could have seen decades later of Bill Tytla if he had remained at Disney after the strike to be among hte "Old men".Jean Pilottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-31111855728431096732008-04-16T11:10:00.000-04:002008-04-16T11:10:00.000-04:00Though I greatly respect and love Disney's "Nine O...Though I greatly respect and love Disney's "Nine Old Men," don't forget that the studio was hardly free of politics.<BR/><BR/>These old guys were awesome - - but they sure the heck weren't alone. There were others just as talented. Yep! Just as talented, but they never gained the special approval of the "Old Man."<BR/><BR/>Please keep in mind the same thing goes on today. As much as we would like to think differently, nothing really ever changes.Floyd Normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-19850499237337834982008-04-16T01:52:00.000-04:002008-04-16T01:52:00.000-04:00I disagree I truly believe that Ollie and all the ...I disagree I truly believe that Ollie and all the other Nine Old Men deserved there title. Sure there were other animators in the ranks that deserved as much attention but these were the guys who really took charge of the medium. They really were able to capture Disney's vision. I think that, Frank and Ollie, lived and Breathed animation, you can see this in the Frank and Ollie film. I truly believe that they deserved the recognition they were givin. I'm sure there will be other animators that will be named in the coming years as being the legendary animators of our time. I can surely see that some of them could be the likes of Andreas Deja, Glen Keane, Ron Clements, and John Musker. I think there were and are hundreds of other great animators but these are the select few that thought outside the box.Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18071921222293354198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-3675866076248956852008-04-16T01:35:00.000-04:002008-04-16T01:35:00.000-04:00"But I believe that artists needs to have their wo..."But I believe that artists needs to have their work judged and appreciated as individuals." How many of the Disney artists got to express <I>themselves</I>? Not many while working through Disney.<BR/><BR/>Sad about Ollie. This is the first I've heard about it! =(Mitch Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11645009912553755049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-14918691514208606632008-04-15T23:46:00.000-04:002008-04-15T23:46:00.000-04:00I remember how stunned I was when I first realized...I remember how stunned I was when I first realized what the "nine old men" moniker meant--that they were in fact <I>the review board</I>.<BR/> I'd assumed(mind you, this was back around the time Illusion of Life was being written but was still unpublished) it was simply a loose catchphrase for the men Disney considered his "best"--and that's also true, but I totally missed the significance of his borrowed reference originally referring to the U.S. Supreme Court-for that's what they were: The Board of judges in charge of raises, hirings. firings and promotions(and I'd guess things like screen credit)for everyone under them in the animation dept. That had to be a bit of a heavy burden for them. Sure, it certainly involved politics-but Walt didn't choose badly in terms of skill either. And someone had to make those decisions--better these guys than a George Drake!<BR/><BR/>But like it or not, this handy appellation is going to stick in the public mind <I>without</I> its provenance or less sunny aspects. It's just too catchy and ingrained. Really, it's up to knowlegeable experts such as yourself to give credit where it's due to the other people who weren't so designated. I'm glad you can and do.Jennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06668171465801333811noreply@blogger.com