Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

kevin wrote:1...trees do not grow, they create mass utilising the inward spin and opposite outward spin.2..they do this creation in all areas about the spheroid of this planet vertical above and below surface relative to the surface no matter what elevation they are at.This is because they are utilising the opposing spin flows that are heart centred relative to this planet, and they demonstrate exactly what creates the fictional so called force called gravity.

Kevin, I agree. I'm just using different words that mean the same. "Push" is the outward flow. "Pull" is the tension created by opposing flows. "Draw" occurs when there is a release of tension and something "grows" or "dies".

Also, I have come to the conclusion that latitude & longitude lines are curved rather than straight. Every map I've ever seen exaggerates the size, smaller or larger, of continents. Exp. Alaska is larger than Mexico & Australia is larger than continental US even though Alaska & Australia have less square footage. I also question the shape of Earth: some say Concave, others say Sphere, others say Spheroid, others say Flat. Continents in NASA photos of Earth show different sizes depending on the year taken.

Webbman wrote:if you were in a river would that be a push, a pull or would you just be going with the flow?

Water (fluid) is reacting to the pathway of least resistance relative to overall local net implosion ratio.It is the basics of dowsing, and when able to dowse one then becomes acutely aware of what is at play, which is the local implosion spin fields and it's counter outrush fields.They together lead to the serpent like meandering routes of water as it reacts to the electric/magnetic counter attraction zones.

I fully realise how the vast majority of people have no comprehension of dowsing, and thus the resistance to what I am trying to convey.

Victor Schauberger observed this in nature and is known as the water wizard.....SPIN.

Spin of the aether fields creates so called gravity, and the net ratio of each opposing field of counter spin will determine it's local rate on every planet and moon, and all such spin fields interact with each other and thus our moon is the best clue when it creates tidal variations.

With the Aether Model I have described in my past threads, the Aether produces Gravity as follows: there exists a universal unstructured aether matrix, which consists of a "sea" of elemental (therefore uniformly identical) units that interact with each other vibrationally (having originated from a world where only reciprocally-oscillating point-localities existed). -The quantum units that form our atomically structured world are all made of (and still retain the ability to interact vibrationally with) these elemental aether units. (Worth noting is that this is the only rational way to account for quantum entanglement.)

As these elemental aether units interact with each other, their outward vibrations connect in a "loose" resonational manner. (Entrainments of such resonances are what originally formed the the "building blocks" of larger quantum units.)

When two solid bodies are attracted gravitationally, what is happening is that the aether in the "auric" zone between the bodies has contracted, or constricted. -The way this occurs is that, in the "continuum" of elemental aether units both inside and outside the two bodies, elemental units in the less-intensely magnetized space become more energized, from the aether units inside the bodies, making the aether in this space more magnetically energized, relative to the aether in the space outside the zone between the bodies. Thus, the tiny distances between interactive elemental aether units in the space between the bodies is erased, as they increasingly connect-up, in this "auric" zone. This constricts the aether between the bodies, producing a gravitational pull .

When I first started to question gravity, I looked up definitions of words in Webster's 1828 online dictionary. "Pull" is the tension created by a "Push". When tension is released and the object moves, it is "Drawn" in the direction of push. Since then, someone has changed the definition of "Pull" in the online dictionary. Fortunately, I have a hard copy of Webster's 1913 unabridged dictionary. An unabridged dictionary (supposedly) only adds; never deletes original word meanings.

Gravity is an effect that happens within finite gravitational fields. Gravitational fields have a finite range of influence (determined by the mass of a gravitational system) and are generated by mass - the larger the mass (such as the mass of a sun), the larger the gravitional field. Objects inside a gravitational field are attracted toward the object with the most mass inside the gravitational field. It is a one-way attraction felt by the low-mass objects toward the highest-mass object. Gravity only happens when lower-mass objects enter the gravitational field of some higher-mass object.

Gravitational fields take the shape of 3D spheres, these invisible fields can be encapsulated within other gravitational fields. For example, our moon is inside the Earths gravitational field. Once the moon first entered the Earths gravitational field, the Moon+Earth gravitational system increased the collective size of the Earth+Moon gravitational field. Together, the Earth+Moon gravitional field is encapsulated within the solar system gravitational field, and is moving as a unit toward the sun (in the same way the moon is moving toward the Earth, ending up in an orbit movement pattern in both cases). Likewise, the solar system gravitional field got larger (3d sphere expanded out) when the earth, moon, and all other celestial bodies in our solar system first entered our sun's gravitational field.Our entire solar system has a gravitational field due to this, and it is entirely encapsulated in our galaxies gravitational field. Our solar system is moving toward the center of our galaxy, because it is the highest mass region in our galaxy's gravitational field. It does this in the form of an orbit, just like the moon orbiting the earth, and the earth+moon orbiting the sun.

Gravity, in a larger context, functions like a localized glue for each system like a galaxy, solar system, or planet-moon system, etc. The reason the entire universe has not conglomerated into a single ball of stuff due to gravity (and why it never will) is because everything is being shot out away from a central region (where things are dense like a ball), toward an infinitely larger expanse. As we move away from the dense region, more and more space comes between each collection of mass - gravity tries to hold it together, but eventually, everything has the fate of deconstructing into its individual parts. Our location, in this universe, can be likened to our galaxy, the milky way, being a single atom on the skin of a basketball - the center of basketball represents all of the denser matter, and outside the basketball is where we are headed, imagine the basketball constantly growing in volume, yet we remain the one atom on the skin - collections of matter slowly begin to break apart as the skin moves out due to expansion in volume. We are being pushed out uniformly, the entire skin of the basketball is moving in a spherical-explosion pattern in all directions. As very dense matter breaks apart, gravity recollects it into all kinds of structures - mostly atoms, then molecules, then even large structures like asteroids, planets, stars, galaxies, etc. The universe we know of is entirely generated by the 'deconstruction' of a very dense layer of the universe (the skin of the basketball), and this is a temporary state - eventually we will expand so far from the center of the basketball life as we know it will be impossible - stars and planets will simply be unable to form or maintain their structure, all the way until every individual atom is broken down to its smallest constituents. However, that will take a very long time so no worries. Also, new layers with new galaxies are forming 'behind us', so even though we will perish, life will go on forming behind us in new basketball-skin zones in the 'formation' range.

Interestingly, gravitational fields do not have the same effect on waves (like electromagnetic waves aka light, radio waves, etc) as it does on particles like us humans. Humans and other particles/particle systems accelerate toward gravitational centers when inside a gravitational field and decelerate away from them (which is why its so hard to rocket to outerspace), but waves do the opposite - they accelerate toward outerspace from earth, and decelerate toward earth - basically, they behave oppositely in terms of speed/acceleration as particles do inside a gravitational field. Cool right? And by the way all of this isn't discovered yet, you're welcome

This effect of waves 'slowing down' when going through dense gravitational fields (the higher the density, the slower the speed) can be seen in the famous Shapiro effect/experiment, visualized below. It is currently used to elusively 'prove' or support relativity, but we know that is bullshit on this forum so get ready for the exciting truth

The experiment was as follows - a dude bounced radar beams off the surface of the planets of venus and mercury and measured the time it took for the beams to go from the earth to these planets and return. This was carried out over time as the earth moved around the sun causing new measurements be taken closer or further away from the sun (see the animated gif). As the radar beam shots passed closer to the sun, it took more time for the beams to return than when they were shot further from the sun. They then called it a day and said time was warping or some dumb stuff like that to support relativity and the status quo. But as you can clearly reason for yourself, the only thing different that happened is radar beams (waves, not particles) had to move through a denser region closer to the sun and a less dense region further from the sun, and this affected the time (the speed) it took for the beam to return. Therefore, higher density = slower wave speed, lesser density = faster wave speed.

Light (and all other waves), particles, and everything else in the universe has a speed determined partly by the medium (in this case, the suns gravitational field) it moves through. Radar beams are no exception. The coolest part is that waves slow down moving through gravitational field mediums, and particles speed up moving through the same gravitational medium. In theory though, if you shot a particle and a wave near the sun at somehow the same speed, it would take the same amount of time to reach its destination, because even though the wave slows down as it approaches the sun, it speeds up as it moves away from it, and even though the particle accelerates towards the sun (once outside of any other gravitational field like the earths), it decelerates as it moves away from the sun. So remember that when designing experiments, you future scientists

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lw1990 wrote:Gravity is an effect that happens within finite gravitational fields. Gravitational fields have a finite range of influence (determined by the mass of a gravitational system) and are generated by mass - the larger the mass (such as the mass of a sun), the larger the gravitional field. Objects inside a gravitational field are attracted toward the object with the most mass inside the gravitational field. It is a one-way attraction felt by the low-mass objects toward the highest-mass object. Gravity only happens when lower-mass objects enter the gravitational field of some higher-mass object.

Gravitational fields take the shape of 3D spheres, these invisible fields can be encapsulated within other gravitational fields. For example, our moon is inside the Earths gravitational field. Once the moon first entered the Earths gravitational field, the Moon+Earth gravitational system increased the collective size of the Earth+Moon gravitational field. Together, the Earth+Moon gravitional field is encapsulated within the solar system gravitational field, and is moving as a unit toward the sun (in the same way the moon is moving toward the Earth, ending up in an orbit movement pattern in both cases). Likewise, the solar system gravitional field got larger (3d sphere expanded out) when the earth, moon, and all other celestial bodies in our solar system first entered our sun's gravitational field.Our entire solar system has a gravitational field due to this, and it is entirely encapsulated in our galaxies gravitational field. Our solar system is moving toward the center of our galaxy, because it is the highest mass region in our galaxy's gravitational field. It does this in the form of an orbit, just like the moon orbiting the earth, and the earth+moon orbiting the sun.

Gravity, in a larger context, functions like a localized glue for each system like a galaxy, solar system, or planet-moon system, etc. The reason the entire universe has not conglomerated into a single ball of stuff due to gravity (and why it never will) is because everything is being shot out away from a central region (where things are dense like a ball), toward an infinitely larger expanse. As we move away from the dense region, more and more space comes between each collection of mass - gravity tries to hold it together, but eventually, everything has the fate of deconstructing into its individual parts. Our location, in this universe, can be likened to our galaxy, the milky way, being a single atom on the skin of a basketball - the center of basketball represents all of the denser matter, and outside the basketball is where we are headed, imagine the basketball constantly growing in volume, yet we remain the one atom on the skin - collections of matter slowly begin to break apart as the skin moves out due to expansion in volume. We are being pushed out uniformly, the entire skin of the basketball is moving in a spherical-explosion pattern in all directions. As very dense matter breaks apart, gravity recollects it into all kinds of structures - mostly atoms, then molecules, then even large structures like asteroids, planets, stars, galaxies, etc. The universe we know of is entirely generated by the 'deconstruction' of a very dense layer of the universe (the skin of the basketball), and this is a temporary state - eventually we will expand so far from the center of the basketball life as we know it will be impossible - stars and planets will simply be unable to form or maintain their structure, all the way until every individual atom is broken down to its smallest constituents. However, that will take a very long time so no worries.

Interestingly, gravitational fields do not have the same effect on waves (like electromagnetic waves aka light, radio waves, etc) as it does on particles like us humans. Humans and other particles/particle systems accelerate toward gravitational centers when inside a gravitational field and decelerate away from them (which is why its so hard to rocket to outerspace), but waves do the opposite - they accelerate toward outerspace from earth, and decelerate toward earth - basically, they behave oppositely in terms of speed/acceleration as particles do inside a gravitational field. Cool right? And by the way all of this isn't discovered yet, you're welcome

This effect of waves 'slowing down' when going through dense gravitational fields (the higher the density, the slower the speed) can be seen in the famous Shapiro effect/experiment, visualized below. It is currently used to elusively 'prove' or support relativity, but we know that is bullshit on this forum so get ready for the exciting truth

The experiment was as follows - a dude bounced radar beams off the surface of the planets of venus and mercury and measured the time it took for the beams to go from the earth to these planets and return. This was carried out over time as the earth moved around the sun causing new measurements be taken closer or further away from the sun (see the animated gif). As the radar beam shots passed closer to the sun, it took more time for the beams to return than when they were shot further from the sun. They then called it a day and said time was warping or some dumb stuff like that to support relativity and the status quo. But as you can clearly reason for yourself, the only thing different that happened is radar beams (waves, not particles) had to move through a denser region closer to the sun and a less dense region further from the sun, and this affected the time (the speed) it took for the beam to return. Therefore, higher density = slower wave speed, lesser density = faster wave speed.

Light (and all other waves), particles, and everything else in the universe has a speed determined partly by the medium (in this case, the suns gravitational field) it moves through. Radar beams are no exception.

When explaining gravity, keep in mind that astrophysicists now say that the sun, and thus Earth, are traveling in a spiral path through space @ 2,000,000 mph, never returning to the same spot twice. In High School we were taught that the sun was stationary. With the sun moving @ 2,000,000 mph, it means Earth has to speed up greater than 2,067,000 mph to circumnavigate in front of the sun, then slow down or be left behind. Objects orbiting a moving object experience constantly varying forces.

Walk around your neighbor with a hot cup of coffee filled to the brim. Now have him walk forward at a good pace and try not to spill the coffee. You have to walk faster than him to get in front and around him, then slow down or be left behind.

Can you show me where you got the information about the 2,000,000 mph and spiral path, so we can judge it based on the source rather than someone just repeating it or making it up, since we have no way to tell?

Also why would the speed of the solar system as a whole affect gravity? Are you just assuming this, or do you have some reason to think that speed affects gravity?

Your logic is just flawed, even when the sun is moving, if the solar system as a whole is also moving in the same direction/speed as the sun, then it can still orbit the sun in a near-perfect circle (not saying it does this, just that, logically, objects can move as a system in a gravitational field)

A perfect example you can see for yourself is get one of those spinning top toys, place a black dot with a sharpie on the edge of one side of the toy, then spin it. The dot moves around the center of the top even as the top and dot move as a whole around the floor. The 'black dot' doesn't have to 'move faster' or be left behind at certain points, that is just a stupid notion arisen from not thinking things through.

At all scales this is so, thus You are thus, the earth is thus, the sun is thus, the galaxy is thus.

The moon is our best clue as it is between the suns and Earths field flow systems, it therefore gives the best comprehension of gravity as the field flows vary as they interact and then atmosphere and water reveal the variants as they react relative to the variations.

By using wrong terms( travelling...gravity...wind blowing) We are veiled from what is actually at play.kevin

lw1990 wrote:Can you show me where you got the information about the 2,000,000 mph and spiral path,Google "velocity of the sun", "velocity of the Milky Way in the local cluster of galaxies", "velocity of the local cluster of galaxies in the super cluster of galaxies", and just for fun, google "velocity of the solar system in expanding space".

do you have some reason to think that speed affects gravity?When a speeding car meets a bridge abutment the force of gravity holding you in your seat is overcome by the change in velocity.

place a black dot with a sharpie on the edge of one side of the toy, then spin it. The dot moves around the center of the top even as the top and dot move as a whole around the floor. The 'black dot' doesn't have to 'move faster' or be left behind at certain points, that is just a stupid notion arisen from not thinking things through.

The fact that the top moves about the floor is evidence that there are constantly changing forces affecting the system as a whole. For the top to remain stationary, the black dot on the edge of the top would have to be constantly changing velocity to compensate.

lw1990 wrote:Interestingly, gravitational fields do not have the same effect on waves (like electromagnetic waves aka light, radio waves, etc) as it does on particles like us humans. Humans and other particles/particle systems accelerate toward gravitational centers when inside a gravitational field and decelerate away from them (which is why its so hard to rocket to outerspace), but waves do the opposite - they accelerate toward outerspace from earth, and decelerate toward earth - basically, they behave oppositely in terms of speed/acceleration as particles do inside a gravitational field. Cool right? And by the way all of this isn't discovered yet, you're welcome

Not quite. I've been stating this for years. It explains why the Pioneer crafts show anomalous deceleration. They don't, it is just an effect of the speed of light increasing the further you move away from the Sun.