yeah ive been looking around for another gun and i need to know which one of these is better? I want to narrow it down. what do you guys think? you guys have most of these markers so let me know please.

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mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:21:29 PM): i was there from 10pm to 4am
FootInY0Ass (1:22:15 PM): holy **** you dropped it hard last night
mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:22:57 PM): and i was there thursday and friday
mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:23:20 PM): thursday, they closed early so we went to the bar up the street afterwards
FootInY0Ass (1:23:40 PM): AA time.......

mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:21:29 PM): i was there from 10pm to 4am
FootInY0Ass (1:22:15 PM): holy **** you dropped it hard last night
mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:22:57 PM): and i was there thursday and friday
mOddEd LiKe HeLL (1:23:20 PM): thursday, they closed early so we went to the bar up the street afterwards
FootInY0Ass (1:23:40 PM): AA time.......

From what I've heard, the Bob Long guns generally get better efficiency and are much quieter. I'd probably take a used Gen 3 (2k5) Timmy over an Ego/Etek any day of the week. But as for the PMR vs the Etek, if the Etek is as close to the Bob Longs as they seem to be, teching should be fine, but from that standpoint (take a look at Paradox's PMR tech vid on YouTube) the PMR is easier to maintain.

As it stands right now, the Bob Longs are probably the best bang for your buck though, as you can easily find a used Alias on PBN for $300, not bad because it easily would've been well over $1000 when it came out (PBreview lists the MSRP at $1400). And it's comparable to an Ego, not the Etek. As you can see.. I'm pretty biased towards the gun I own.. LOL.

IMO, the PMR is still the best gun for the money out right now. Others will say differently, but I have to respectfully disagree with them.

For $300 (or less) you can get a brand new PMR with a UL frame that will compete with any other "high end" gun on the market. The only difference is there's no LPR. However, I've used mine for two years and absolutely don't miss an LPR at all. It just doesn't need one. I constantly have to hold my tongue when I read on PBN that if you want to get into tourneys, you have to get a "better" gun. BS in capital letters!

In a tourney I played last weekend, I didn't break a single ball in my gun. No chops, no barrel breaks. I chrono'd onto the field EVERY game at 296-299 fps. The only performance upgrade I have is a Lucky 15 barrel, unless you count the UL frame with it's nice trigger as a performance upgrade. It shoots fast, it's consistant (thanks to the Hyper II reg - definitely in the top 3 regs category) and extremely easy to maintain. I was the main killer on our team and we took 3rd place (due to a bad decision on our part - otherwise would have been 2nd), and had we actually practiced and played in the past year, we could easily have contended for 1st. I did it with a *gasp* PMR!

Sorry for the rant - I get irritated when people see one or two PMRs that aren't well maintained or owned by people who know what they're doing, and assume they're all bad. It seems that PBN and I are going to have to part ways soon...I get irritated a lot over there anymore...

Back to the topic - While some will argue it's not efficient, I'll also disagree with them on that. It's easy to get more than 1200 shots on a 68/4500. I can easily get that and more. While it's not the best efficiency out there, it's certainly not worthy of the flames it gets for it's "poor efficiency."

Mini's are ok, but they're too small, even for my tiny hands. They just don't feel right to me, and they are more expensive than the Rail. I've yet to come across a stock Ion that can compete with a stock PMR (in my opinion!) but I haven't shot the Eos or Etek, so I can't compare them to the PMR.

Like I said, for the money, the PMR is definitely the best, IMO. I'm not comparing it to any gun that is used, of course. Although I can, but that would start all kinds of arguments. But new, for the money, you can't go wrong with it!

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I have to agree with the fact that buying a new gun, it's really hard to beat the PMR in it's price range for what you get. Even used it's a tough gun to beat. As for a used gun though, I'm still going to stick with my choice. It's all a matter of opinion though. Really when you're limited to firing 13 bps, it's all about the feel of the gun from your perspective.

I have to agree with Vike, PMR = I had a similar situation where i just went through 2 cases at the last tourney over 14 games and never had a break in the breach or the barrel. Im buying a ul frame right now because i found one cheap but the stock frame has been very good to me. The board has all the settings you need and for the amount of money that you can find a slightly used Rail for, it's definitely the best marker on that list for me. The only upgrade that I would suggest would be spring detents from NDZ or Kila's magnetic ones.