tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post5473383855211879008..comments2015-08-01T21:35:08.701-04:00Comments on Ask a Korean!: The Sewol Tragedy: Part I - The AccidentT.K. (Ask a Korean!)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07663422474464557214noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-90533536431039702292014-10-25T22:15:29.070-04:002014-10-25T22:15:29.070-04:00Just to let you in on an update: Yang-Dae Hong wa...Just to let you in on an update: Yang-Dae Hong was found dead.<br />http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/05/116_157344.htmlsega31098http://www.blogger.com/profile/18157298514542743816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-66964838381434535622014-05-29T21:38:21.603-04:002014-05-29T21:38:21.603-04:00@ Zaku - exactly - in many ways the actions of the...@ Zaku - exactly - in many ways the actions of the crew there were very similar - despicable.Windsun33http://www.blogger.com/profile/09788363820973065161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-81113443103683775912014-05-12T13:24:35.147-04:002014-05-12T13:24:35.147-04:00I see some argument going on about Korean culture ...I see some argument going on about Korean culture and accidents. As a Korean studying Aviation Accident Investigation, I can safely say it is true. Cultural influence plays major role in accidents. I am not going to give you a lot of details here now since I was just doing my assignment but our culture has its merits and demerit. Yeap. I am saying this as someone who studies in these area. It&#39;s not really Korean culture that has potential to cause such accidents. There are countless accidents caused by pilots ignoring CRM (Crew Resource Management) like Korean Air 801, Birgenair 301 and Flash Airline 604. I am not sure if Sewol has anything to do with this though. It sure does have its influence in secondary way but not as in first hand of causing the accident. No. I personally don&#39;t think so.Ivyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10241230702115457716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-25178328767261117042014-05-09T01:47:04.291-04:002014-05-09T01:47:04.291-04:00All Kind of Current Affairs, Latest Hot News updat...All Kind of Current Affairs, Latest Hot News updates, Classified Sites, Pakistani Classified Sites, USA Classifieds, Indian Classifieds, Entertainment Articles, Entertainment News, Entertainment Pictures, Bollywood, Hollywood and Lollywood Pictures and Videos, Entertainment Latest updates, Hot Entertainment News and Pictures Funny Entertainment Pictures, lol Pictures, Funny Pictures and Much More Fun Only on 1 Current Affairs Network<br /><a href="http://bit.ly/1gdztI4" rel="nofollow">hotcurrentaffairs.com</a>Sagheerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06915866545118735024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-73289704151102833882014-05-08T20:09:47.890-04:002014-05-08T20:09:47.890-04:00I find it offensive that you continue to engage in...I find it offensive that you continue to engage in the common Western tendency to attribute disasters in Asia to a vaguely-defined blanket notion of &quot;culture&quot;. In AKA&#39;s Sewol tragedy pt. II, there was a comment left by a user named CJL who expressed my own sentiments regarding this thinly-veiled racist explanation of the Sewol incident (which also mostly tends to comes from-surprise, surprise-white Westerners). I am quoting him directly:<br /><br />&quot;The West tries to explain whittle down everything that Asians, even Asian AMERICANS, do to this all-consuming but vague idea known as Confucianism. It&#39;s a complex philosophy, but it&#39;s become a convenient shorthand for Westerners to dismiss Asians as unthinking and unfeeling robots who can never equal Americans or Europeans when it comes to actually being empathetic humans. In times of great geopolitical and economical shifts, I&#39;m certain that such a self-serving belief is soothing.<br /><br />It&#39;s not as if these types of disasters are endemic to Asia. There have been many disasters in the U.S. where people obeyed authorities to their great detriment. People stayed in the WTC because the people around them told them to. People stayed in New Orleans because authorities didn&#39;t give them the evacuation order. People believed that Iraq was this immediate threat of Biblical proportions because the authorities said so. <br /><br />Your very post is contradictory in that you accuse Koreans to being slavishly devoted to authority, yet in the next, you accuse them of being extremely selfish. So Koreans are people who mindlessly take orders from higher ups, yet they&#39;re also only concerned with doing what&#39;s good for themselves?<br /><br />Nice try.&quot;<br /><br />As to your comment about Israel, I have absolutely no admiration or sympathy for the IDF and the illegal occupation of Palestine. Having an &quot;excellent air safety record&quot; means nothing to me when viewed in context; Israel continues to use aerial technologies to bomb and murder civilians. I hear of children and noncombatants dying in these air raids all the time and my heart breaks again and again. DBhttp://anth3410.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-73136388236895580102014-05-05T02:41:26.730-04:002014-05-05T02:41:26.730-04:00This is a stomach-turning minute-to-minure descrip...This is a stomach-turning minute-to-minure description of the tragedy. I feel very sad for the families who have lost their loved ones - and incredibly angry at the behavior of the (senior) crew. How can they live with their non-action??? <br /><br />Great work on your blog, though! Haven*t seen anything even close to this detail of analysis anywhere else in the *traditional* media. Unfortunately. parkrangerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633963106527949219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-85266768157836602162014-05-04T21:43:53.233-04:002014-05-04T21:43:53.233-04:00Of course it varies, person to person, and culture...Of course it varies, person to person, and culture to culture. There are plenty of deferential ones, like the south American crew that ran out of fuel circling New York. And while I largely agree with you about Israel, they are well known for being outspoken, and have an excellent air safety record. Dealing effectively with these issues has been a huge win for air safety over the past few decades, but there is still plenty of room for improvement, and it should be applied in other fields. Ronald Pottolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12052424704490061291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-59767686582515361102014-05-04T14:46:52.416-04:002014-05-04T14:46:52.416-04:00Look up the Milgram experiment, most people are co...Look up the Milgram experiment, most people are conditioned to listen to authority. I&#39;m sure that&#39;s compounded more in emergency-type situations. <br /><br />&quot;we should be taking our etiquette lessons from the Israelis (who barely recognize authority).&quot;<br /><br />No thanks, seeing as more and more Palestinian land is being illegally settled by radical Israeli Jews. Plus, at least SK is not an oppressive apartheid state riddled with conflict. DBhttp://anth3410.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-40321348325392692822014-05-04T13:51:52.181-04:002014-05-04T13:51:52.181-04:00Culture is huge, all you really need to know to pr...Culture is huge, all you really need to know to predict a countries airline accident rate is how likely people are to tell authority they are wrong. This is a big problem in asian cultures, among others.<br /><br />Clearly, we should be taking our etiquette lessons from the Israelis (who barely recognize authority).Ronald Pottolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12052424704490061291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-54716258979782191872014-05-03T11:12:12.896-04:002014-05-03T11:12:12.896-04:00Hi, you said: &quot;For now, we cannot be certain....Hi, you said: &quot;For now, we cannot be certain. One tidbit, however, is revealing: between 9 a.m. and 9:37 a.m., the captain and the crew spoke on the phone with the ferry company&#39;s headquarters six times. Police investigation is heavily focused on what was said in these communications.&quot;<br /><br />I think this is the answer: &quot;Investigators say they learned that an official in the company&#39;s logistics division used a computer to change data shortly after the accident began. They say the official spoke to a colleague by phone about 50 minutes after the onset of trouble, and mentioned adjusting the cargo weight.&quot;<br />smokerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04750165428662421255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-47088146011774373732014-05-03T11:07:16.544-04:002014-05-03T11:07:16.544-04:00South Korean investigators say an official at the ...South Korean investigators say an official at the operator of the sunken ferry altered data to hide how much cargo it was carrying at the time of the accident.<br /><br />The Sewol capsized and sank off the country&#39;s southern coast on April 16th. It was carrying cargo 3.6 times the weight considered safe for navigating the vessel. Investigators believe the overload undermined the ship&#39;s ability to right itself after listing.<br /><br />Investigators say they learned that an official in the company&#39;s logistics division used a computer to change data shortly after the accident began.<br /><br />They say the official spoke to a colleague by phone about 50 minutes after the onset of trouble, and mentioned adjusting the cargo weight.<br /><br />Investigators say the second official then checked the data confirmed the cargo weight shown was 180 tons less than the real figure.<br /><br />The investigators suspect that the company continued operating the ferry even after acknowledging the risks of overloading.smokerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04750165428662421255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-15690199052629068902014-05-02T10:24:57.395-04:002014-05-02T10:24:57.395-04:00Lord Jim. Except the ship did sink.
Yang&#39;s chi...Lord Jim. Except the ship did sink.<br />Yang&#39;s children should have their places reserved at some top university.laopanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14763916535451023880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-22901986219512082312014-05-02T06:59:51.045-04:002014-05-02T06:59:51.045-04:00No, just plain incompetence. Do you remember the ...No, just plain incompetence. Do you remember the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster" rel="nofollow"> Costa Concordia Disaster</a> or Italy is a &quot;Asian hierarchy culture&quot;...?Zakuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14295113980907067345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-13607133539810578462014-05-02T00:03:27.967-04:002014-05-02T00:03:27.967-04:00Nothing &#39;tropical&#39; about JeJu from Septemb...Nothing &#39;tropical&#39; about JeJu from September to March, matey! Have you been getting your &#39;facts&#39; from CNN??Bangerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16398134341350783802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-62715706810421003662014-05-01T20:51:30.651-04:002014-05-01T20:51:30.651-04:00&quot;shining a light&quot;&quot;shining a light&quot;<br /><br />lineoffensehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-54026375303370762442014-05-01T20:50:46.041-04:002014-05-01T20:50:46.041-04:00Unbelievable. If there&#39;s one positive about th...Unbelievable. If there&#39;s one positive about this sinking is that it&#39;s shining a like on the insects and worms at the top of Korean society.<br /><br />Semo Group:<br /><br />http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/05/116_156476.html<br /><br />Korean Coast Guard:<br /><br />http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/05/116_156489.html<br /><br />lineoffensehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17753523844065633351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-39773961045889426462014-05-01T19:22:26.977-04:002014-05-01T19:22:26.977-04:00I think the captain&#39;s communication log put hi...I think the captain&#39;s communication log put him at an even worse position as it&#39;s contradicting...<br />Cold water - but only 2 lifeboats dropped.<br />Passengers cannot move / difficult to move - should order evacuation earlier as it would get even worse. Rescuers cannot teleport. Even if they are all there now, it will take a long time to gather the passengers.<br /><br />The VTS, they said they were contacting other ships. They can&#39;t override except suggesting evacuation which they had done that. They could not see the ship and could not make announcement.<br /><br />The crew member should take charge, someone gotto see the ship&#39;s situation and report. Those in lower decks are far less certain. The ship was huge.<br /><br />For the cultural part, I think Koreans know this well. It&#39;s not like the west criticizing but their own news commentary may have compared with older one like the Daegu fire. Some similarities are found.<br /><br />I don&#39;t think I&#39;m any better. If I have not known this, I may just follow the order and stay put. Who knows.Ga Peuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13849970271405358198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-10407542454106457202014-05-01T11:08:32.348-04:002014-05-01T11:08:32.348-04:00We&#39;ve all agreed that the captain of the ship ...We&#39;ve all agreed that the captain of the ship made grave mistakes, but the audio of the communications between the ship and VTS might have revealed his thought process: he repeatedly asked when the rescue ships were going to arrive, since he seemed to be concerned about the cold 40-foot drop from the boat and the extremely cold temperature of the water. The VTS, to my understanding, refused to provide any answers to him on that question. Should they have tried to be more forthcoming with that information? I think so.Brianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05135945142600335011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28649908459103686492014-05-01T06:51:18.727-04:002014-05-01T06:51:18.727-04:00Thank-you for this article.
The big question now...Thank-you for this article. <br /><br />The big question now is will Justice be done and what changes will this lead to?<br /><br />Brendan Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13538841202231589012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-74492707236117051592014-05-01T04:17:59.437-04:002014-05-01T04:17:59.437-04:00Tough piece to write, but I&#39;m glad you did. Th...Tough piece to write, but I&#39;m glad you did. Thanks for the detailed account. Looking forward to the next 2 parts.John Bocskayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16478178453897120983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-61228974484553197542014-04-30T23:31:21.294-04:002014-04-30T23:31:21.294-04:00to l46kok
Have you been living in Korea for a lon...to l46kok<br /><br />Have you been living in Korea for a long time or are you Korean? It seems that you know many tragedies here, do you remember the one with the ceiling that collapsed at those poor students who just managed to get to university (Busan)? <br />As you may have noticed, if you follow the mass media here in Korea, this ship one is the only tragedy that has been almost the only information on the public news for more than a week now. Don&#39;t you find this fact rather suspicious?<br /><br />I&#39;m not trying to oppose what you have written, nothing of that kind, really. I just hoped I could find somebody to discuss with in general, you know, about things.<br /><br />As big as this tragedy is, it isn&#39;t the biggest one Korea has had in the recent history, let&#39;s face it. I do send my condolences to the families who lost their loved ones, I understand the kids who survived are terribly traumatised, but the media is still kinda making a too big of a fuss about it. The whole story has reached over the limit, it is exaggerated now (and most of my fellow Korean university colleagues and my boyfriend explicitly agreed) and it really awakes a suspicious thought or two. As if the government or someone else is trying to hide some actions, as if they want to redirect the attention to this accident on purpose. I dunno, it&#39;s just a feeling.<br /><br />Besides that, if it wasn&#39;t rappresented massively this way, I think that would help the survivors recover better. I mean, it&#39;s about time to turn it private, you know. I&#39;m saying this whole thing has become like putting salt on their open wounds. It&#39;s okay for the media to inform us on how it is proceeding, but, come one, leave them be, tell us another story, there&#39;s much more happening either in Korea and in the rest of the world, which is just as important to know.....Dac X Leehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15293064862842657519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-28781119501304295062014-04-30T21:25:10.472-04:002014-04-30T21:25:10.472-04:00But there&#39;s so much blame to go around includi...But there&#39;s so much blame to go around including the ship proprietor, safety inspectors, regulators, the revolving door between industry and government, and of course, the ridiculous captain.<br /><br />The least to be blamed are perhaps the hapless crew who probably didn&#39;t have a clue as to what they were supposed to do since they probably received no emergency training at all by the company.<br /><br />I feel sorry for the 3rd mate. Poor girl. The weight of the tragedy on her shoulders.GSThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15497631487656894980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-29840872197347334292014-04-30T21:12:28.565-04:002014-04-30T21:12:28.565-04:00However, the Sewol tragedy is the only event that ...<b>However, the Sewol tragedy is the only event that opened my eyes on what kind of country I&#39;m living it. Truthfully, my faith is beginning to shake</b><br /><br />I believe it&#39;s Rahm Emmanuel who describes a scene at the WH where the President and his staff are knocking out policy decisions at a furious pace one after another just shooting from the hip.<br /><br />The truth seems to be that &quot;adults&quot; everywhere only pretend to know what they&#39;re doing but often don&#39;t have a clue.<br /><br />Did the President of Korea have a clue? I wonder if she or her subordinates had any idea what they were supposed to do. <br /><br />Based on some of the stories, I wonder if the rescue people had any clue what they were supposed to do.<br /><br />Clearly, we know that the captain didn&#39;t have a clue.<br /><br />Incompetence, corruption and greed everywhere.<br /><br />Until the last few minutes, it seems the kids also didn&#39;t have a clue as to the danger they were in. Surely, they weren&#39;t in real danger? After all, this is real life not a comedy where adults are responsible and big ships don&#39;t just flip over and sink drowning everyone in it?GSThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15497631487656894980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-80902667241192073062014-04-30T19:29:07.126-04:002014-04-30T19:29:07.126-04:00Maybe I am a romantic dreamer, but I honestly thin...Maybe I am a romantic dreamer, but I honestly think that when some bring the Far Eastern Culture explanation subject up, they do not do it out of malice, but just because some truly believe in the concept of Asian perfection, obedience, honor and virtue<br />Unfortunately, human nature, means the best but also the worst of us, no matter where we come from<br />My heart is with all the innocent victims of this dreadful tragedyBrokensky17http://www.blogger.com/profile/16166541954995370872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36405856.post-41570659998360498702014-04-30T19:08:13.201-04:002014-04-30T19:08:13.201-04:00(Cont) The person who built the piece of crap did ...(Cont) The person who built the piece of crap did not care to make a decent wall with the proper structure, and actually nobody knows who the guy is nor has his face been shown Brokensky17http://www.blogger.com/profile/16166541954995370872noreply@blogger.com