The PHP Town Hall podcast has posted their fourth episode, "PHP's Vision, Beards, and Cake", with hosts Phil Sturgeon and Ben Edmunds.

We made it to episode 4, past the point of no return! In this episode we are joined by Zack Kitzmiller (owner of an awesome beard) and Jose Diaz-Gonzalez (CakePHP developer extraordinaire) as we argue about PHP’s vision and how we think the language should progress in the future.