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because if she is able, then he would have no need to blow the plane, Natai will call the MA once she land, they wil take care of the bees

because she is his partner, (mother).... so to not do so = bastard

It did not matter whether or not she could land the plane. The bees and The Dead had to be destroyed before touch down and the only way of doing that was by blowing up the plane while it was still in the air. Kiritsugu was not wrong in what he did.

because if she is able, then he would have no need to blow the plane, Natai will call the MA once she land, they wil take care of the bees

because she is his partner, (mother).... so to not do so = bastard

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It did not matter whether or not she could land the plane. The bees and The Dead had to be destroyed before touch down.

That's what I'm saying. I said this already, that even if she landed, there was a chance the bees could escape with her, and Kiritsugu isn't the type of person to let that happen, hence landing the plane was not going to address his concern about saving everybody.

And really, I'd only find him a bastard if he didn't feel remorse for what he did; his breakdown was extremely cathartic and gratifying, since it was so tragic to see him be responsible for his own mother's death, so rather than hating him, I feel extreme pity for the guy. He's basically a prisoner, a complete slave to his very own self, even as it destroys him.

But of course, we could be cold about this because it's fiction and it has nothing to do with us. If our own life hangs in the balance, I doubt any of us would be willing to stay pragmatic and opt for self-survival instead.

But of course, we could be cold about this because it's fiction and it has nothing to do with us. If our own life hangs in the balance, I doubt any of us would be willing to stay pragmatic and opt for self-survival instead.

That's not really related. The choice was never about self-survival. It was between someone you're close to, and the lives of many others.

Unless you meant choosing as if we were Natalia. Then I'd be fine with blowing up. Risking a zombie apocalypse in New York City would be crazy selfish.

Didn't the plane blew up rather close to the coast line? It shouldn't have sunk that deep, but cmiiw.

Assuming the aircraft was landing at La Guardia(I think it was called Idlewald back them), or JFK, it would have taken them over the Long Island Sound and the Atlantic Coast, respectively. Very shallow waters in a disaster-sense. For example, they recovered almost all of TWA800(747 that exploded off Long Island after takeoff from JFK, disputed missile shootdown(Now, doesn't that sound similar to what we just watched?) in the Atlantic.

Not to mention Air France Flight 447, they recovered the CVR and black boxes from the middle of the Atlantic.

Assuming the aircraft was landing at La Guardia(I think it was called Idlewald back them), or JFK, it would have taken them over the Long Island Sound and the Atlantic Coast, respectively. Very shallow waters in a disaster-sense. For example, they recovered almost all of TWA800(747 that exploded off Long Island after takeoff from JFK, disputed missile shootdown(Now, doesn't that sound similar to what we just watched?) in the Atlantic.

Not to mention Air France Flight 447, they recovered the CVR and black boxes from the middle of the Atlantic.

Black box would indeed be worthless as surface examination of the aircraft would have tell-tale signs of shootdown(assuming an FIM-92 Stinger hit the center wing tank, otherwise it would only cripple the jet), but the MA would be shitting their pants if the NTSB got their hands on the CVR. I only spoke about the black boxes to say those things are recoverable from deep beneath the ocean.

Unless you meant choosing as if we were Natalia. Then I'd be fine with blowing up. Risking a zombie apocalypse in New York City would be crazy selfish.

Please don't take offense for not taking you at your words. I highly doubt you'd actually be willing had it come to that.

And this is what I was talking about. We can be calm and discuss about it and claim about things like this, but pardon me if I think all this is really ephemeral and a party of masks, and that basic survival instinct would take over before any kind of ideology.

One should not feel ashamed for wanting to live though. Your own life comes first, then those close to you, then everyone else at the very end of the list. It is very human to think that way. One might call you selfish for wanting to be a sole survivor of an accident that dragged more life, but so could those who'd rather have that one life extinguished instead of theirs.