Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 20:11:36 GMT

I never get why people ask what Bran was doing.They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait.

Bait is meant to attract the prey. If you want to catch the bear, you don't set up the bait in such a fashion that is has to kill all your friends before it gets to it and you have a functioning trap for when it gets there. Nothing made sense in the strategy of the episode. People who "don't get" why people complain about it are just making fools of themselves.

Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 20:13:03 GMT

Bait is meant to attract the prey. If you want to catch the bear, you don't set up the bait in such a fashion that is has to kill all your friends before it gets to it and you have a functioning trap for when it gets there. Nothing made sense in the strategy of the episode. People who "don't get" why people complain about it are just making fools of themselves.

Ha ha ha . . .

I could not have said it better.

Ha ha ha . . .

you probably couldn’t have said such a ridiculous thing better admittedly.

Post by bluerisk on May 30, 2019 20:32:30 GMT

Extremely disappointing. The good thing is, that I do not miss the show a bit. When other shows ended I followed for years, it gave me a bit of a weltschmerz. a real loss. But this time...not even a shrug.

Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 31, 2019 5:30:48 GMT

Extremely disappointing. The good thing is, that I do not miss the show a bit. When other shows ended I followed for years, it gave me a bit of a weltschmerz. a real loss. But this time...not even a shrug.

I "ended" the show myself after S6, so the loss does not exist, but I hoped at least for a satisfying outcome "on paper" if not on screen.I followed the story for that purpose, because I wanted to see my basic predictions confirmed (Night King stopped early and Daenerys turning into an antagonist that survivors would want to get rid of). That came true but the very end with Bran King and Tyrion Hand, which I must assume is GRRM's ending, not an adaptation, is the worst possible let down and one I did not expect.

I left the show because the adaptation was dumbed down. I gave up on the books too, because they are written by a belated teen who gets off on depicting gore, sex and filth, but that ending makes it all worse. George RR Martin is not just a juvenile fantasy wanker, he is also a stinking moron.

Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 31, 2019 11:56:10 GMT

It's pretty hard to 'get it' when they haven't shown us much of Bran doing anything at all for seasons, so how are we supposed to understand what the heck he's doing when he goes all blank eyed?

Writing stories that cannot make sense makes them impressive to the half-smart.

We've seen this done on purpose to an extreme with Westworld and I am pretty sure this is what the fat sack is doing. In an Internet world which will solve any riddle in a matter of days, a problem with no solution is the cheap way of appearing interesting. It is the kind of gag an attention seeking 12 year old would pull. That's exactly where I would place George RR Martin now.

Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 1, 2019 15:36:14 GMT

Dafuq? Did you miss the part where Arya single handedly avenged the Red Wedding and killed the Night King?

-I saw her avenge the red wedding. Night king? Where she magically appears out of thin air to take him out? Im sorry, how she killed him was retarded af.

Fans speculate that R+L=J for 8 seasons... for nothing.

I'd argue that was instrumental in driving Dany to madness but I have my objections to how rushed the whole thing was.

-So when you saw the Aegon T thing, you thought,"this is what will lead Danny to her downfall?" Prince that was promised....to kill Dany? To go back to the Nights watch? He had that after he was resurrected. So where did the prince that was promised storyline go? Aegon T storyline go? He could have been Jon Snow the whole way. What lead Dany to madness? Was it Snow, was it the death of her dragons, was it the death of Melissandre (SP), did she wake up in a bad mood? IDK....

Jamie's redemption arc carries through 8 seasons... for nothing.

He almost died defending the Stark home with half of Ned Stark sword.

I wasn't particularly thrilled with him returning to Cersei but like Jaime said in this season, he had no regrets about what he had done. In fact he said he'd do it again all over. But like a true knight he was willing to die to protect everyone else.

-That isnt what it was leading too. She nodded her head for the Mountain to kill him. Great, no regrets, but this isnt where his storyline was going and you truly know that.

Cersei's journey to power and madness through 8 seasons... for nothing.

By allying herself with Euron she ended up being responsible for the death of a dragon and Missandei. It pushed Dany to the brink.

-I thought Jon Snow (Aegon T or Billy Bushwell) lead her to madness. So what lead her madness??? IDK, it was too rushed to know what truly did.

The Night King's Army is feared for thousands of years... for nothing.

They were a threat and they were defeated... You wanted them to win?

Seeing how it ended yes. Id rather have seen the NK kill them all Spartacus style and end up on the throne. The NK ended up being a giant p*ssy. Not only that, Arya went in yelling, Dafaq where his soldiers doing, looking up starbucks on their cell phones to see the latest Mocha drink?

Raisin Bran does absolutely nothing for 8 seasons... to win the Game?

Considering he didn't want to be king, I'd argue he didn't win. In fact the whole idea was about breaking the need of having to play the game.

It wasn't all for nothing. It just wasn't just the way you wanted. I have my share of problems with the final season but the writers weren't under any obligation of delivering the ending you wanted.

-He couldnt be lord of Winterfell but can be king. Remember,"why did I come all this way." So he let people do his bidding for him.No it was pretty fn dumb. Who has a better story than Bran, damn near anyone. Arya is gonna explore? Can Bran just tell her what is there? Bronn is the master of coin? After Greyworm and company go insane, killing woman and children, they just let Tyrion and Snow live? After they had nps killing innocents?Come on brother....

Post by movieliker on Jun 1, 2019 17:14:16 GMT

-He couldnt be lord of Winterfell but can be king. Remember,"why did I come all this way." So he let people do his bidding for him.No it was pretty fn dumb. Who has a better story than Bran, damn near anyone.-Arya is gonna explore? Can Bran just tell her what is there? -Bronn that master of coin? -After Greyworm and company live, killing woman and children, they just let Tyrion and Snow live? After they had nps killing innocents?Come on brother....

I agree.

Greyworm and company were killing anyone who was even suspected of not following Dany. But Tyrion betrays her repeatedly to her face and behind her back. But his "punishment" is to be the first hand to King Bran the Broken? And Greyworm is okay with this?

Jon fucking kills Dany. But his "punishment" is to be King of the newly "independent" North? And Greyworm is okay with that?

Not to mention, part of Jon's "sentence" (what a joke) was no female companionship. And he cannot leave the North.Then we see him walking with females up north. Wasn't his first girlfriend up north? And if he goes and visits Winterfell, who is going to tell on him? Sansa?And if she does tell on him, are we supposed to expect King Bran to punish Jon?

Post by movieliker on Jun 1, 2019 19:13:07 GMT

I think Game of Thrones was definitely guilty of subverting expectations.

"Subvert Expectations

To destroy a great TV show with out-of-character actions and inconsistent logic for the sake of unneeded twists. Usually associated with Game of Thrones, but can be applied to Lost, Dexter, and other TV series."

Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 9:09:29 GMT

-I saw her avenge the red wedding. Night king? Where she magically appears out of thin air to take him out? Im sorry, how she killed him was retarded af.

That might be so but that wasn't my point. My point was the faceless man training she got was indeed useful to avenge the Red Wedding and killing the Night King. Saying it was for nothing implies that these two events didn't happen.

-So when you saw the Aegon T thing, you thought,"this is what will lead Danny to her downfall?" Prince that was promised....to kill Dany? To go back to the Nights watch? He had that after he was resurrected. So where did the prince that was promised storyline go? Aegon T storyline go? He could have been Jon Snow the whole way. What lead Dany to madness? Was it Snow, was it the death of her dragons, was it the death of Melissandre (SP), did she wake up in a bad mood? IDK....

I knew about R+L=J for quite some time. What were going to be the implications, I didn't know until I saw the episodes. The fact that I didn't predict how things were going to play out is not an argument against the show.

Honestly did anyone really expected the fairy tale ending of Jon Snow sitting on the Iron Throne as King of the Seven Kingdoms? I didn't because I paying attention that this story wasn't going to have an happy ending.

-That isnt what it was leading too. She nodded her head for the Mountain to kill him. Great, no regrets, but this isnt where his storyline was going and you truly know that.

I agree. I think Jaime should've killed Cersei but I don't know what GRR Martin plans are for the character. For example I have serious doubts that Dany will face off against Cersei after the Others are defeated. I think the last human obstacle in the books will be Young Griff and they are going reenact a Second Dance od Dragons. But I also think Jaime did end up honoring his promise of fighting for the living. I liked the fact that Brienne and Jaime used Ice to defend Winterfell and I liked Brienne finishing his page on the Book of Brothers.

-I thought Jon Snow (Aegon T or Billy Bushwell) lead her to madness. So what lead her madness??? IDK, it was too rushed to know what truly did.

It did. Why do you think it must be a single cause instead of a long series of events?

Seeing how it ended yes. Id rather have seen the NK kill them all Spartacus style and end up on the throne. The NK ended up being a giant p*ssy. Not only that, Arya went in yelling, Dafaq where his soldiers doing, looking up starbucks on their cell phones to see the latest Mocha drink?

Ok you'd rather see that. That's fine. Some people wanted Stannis on the Iron Throne. But you know what, just because it didn't end the way you wanted, that's not argument against the ending of the show.

-He couldnt be lord of Winterfell but can be king. Remember,"why did I come all this way." So he let people do his bidding for him.

No it was pretty fn dumb. Who has a better story than Bran, damn near anyone. Arya is gonna explore? Can Bran just tell her what is there? Bronn is the master of coin? After Greyworm and company go insane, killing woman and children, they just let Tyrion and Snow live? After they had nps killing innocents?

Come on brother....

I agree that execution left much to be desired and that more episodes would probably fix this. Remember that talk that Tyrion had with Bran? You don't because it happened off screen but there was an opportunity there to led the show into this ending. Basically the whole argument that they tried to make is that the best leader is the guy that doesn't want the power and like Bran said before, he doesn't really want anything anymore. It also went with the trope of "knowledge is power" and that having an quasi "all knowing ruler" is the best.

These ideas might've worked if they were executed properly. Unfortunately D&D insistence in having only 13 episodes after season six doomed what could've been an interesting and unexpected ending.

Basically, I have more issues with how things played out than where the things ended up.

"When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there...every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."

Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 3, 2019 10:10:47 GMT

I knew about R+L=J for quite some time. What were going to be the implications, I didn't know until I saw the episodes. The fact that I didn't predict how things were going to play out is not an argument against the show.

Yes, it seems load of idiots really wanted it to happen, together with a bunch of other stupid fantasies they thought had been promised to them, like Jaime killing Cersei, Arya killing Cersei with someone else's face, Jaime becoming a good guy or Tyrion finishing his joke. They are usually the kind who complain that things were built up "for nothing" because they don't see them.

Jon's inheritance was there for others to have a choice and Daenerys to have an issue with. Then it was there to be cast aside by a writer who thinks making a naive "democratic" statement is better than showing how hereditary rule makes peace instead of war in a society based on the existence of private armies. These were the points.

Then of course, the same idiots believed hard in prophecies coming true even after it was obvious they were only in the story to show how they got people to invest in false beliefs.

Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 10:14:37 GMT

I knew about R+L=J for quite some time. What were going to be the implications, I didn't know until I saw the episodes. The fact that I didn't predict how things were going to play out is not an argument against the show.

Yes, it seems load of idiots really wanted it to happen, together with a bunch of other stupid fantasies they thought had been promised to them, like Jaime killing Cersei, Arya killing Cersei with someone else's face, Jaime becoming a good guy or Tyrion finishing his joke. They are usually the kind who complain that things were built up "for nothing" because they don't see them.

Jon's inheritance was there for others to have a choice and Daenerys to have an issue with. Then it was there to be cast aside by a writer who thinks making a naive "democratic" statement is better than showing how hereditary rule makes peace instead of war in a society based on the existence of private armies. These were the points.

Then of course, the same idiots believed hard in prophecies coming true even after it was obvious they were only in the story to show how they got people to invest in false beliefs.

Agreed.

"When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there...every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."

Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 3, 2019 10:21:26 GMT

Basically the whole argument that they tried to make is that the best leader is the guy that doesn't want the power and like Bran said before, he doesn't really want anything anymore.

Another one of these utterly naive stupidities. I never saw someone who didn't want a job do it well.

And here again, this is what heredity brings: people doing a job because they were born for it. Not ideal, that must be said. Yet these fuckers want to have their cake and eat it, no matter how little sense it makes.

Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 3, 2019 10:33:09 GMT

Another one of these utterly naive stupidities. I never saw someone who didn't want a job do it well.

I certainly don't think they made a good case for it.

I would've gone simply with the notion that his ability to know things via warging would be a good reason to choose Bran as king.

He would have been a good replacement for Varys as Master of Spies and Intelligence, maybe. No more. Making Bran king is the most ridiculous thing. I can hardly thing of anything that would discredit the author more. What a complete idiot!George RR Martin is not only a piece of shit, he is also a moron.

Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 10:35:33 GMT

I would've gone simply with the notion that his ability to know things via warging would be a good reason to choose Bran as king.

He would have been a good replacement for Varys as Master of Spies and Intelligence, maybe. No more. Making Bran king is the most ridiculous thing. I can hardly thing of anything that would discredit the author more. What a complete idiot!George RR Martin is not only a piece of shit, he is also a moron.

I might wrong but I think Martin is going to make it work. Assuming that he finishes the books.

"When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there...every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."