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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

You know what I think would maximize Sully's effectiveness in the NBA? Make sure he's paired with a Center who is a true low post threat.

Sullinger would be great on the Kings with Cuz but taking him at 5 is a stretch. I would still rather take my chances with Sully than Drummond.

Last edited by WMR; 06-01-2012 at 03:09 PM.

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)

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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

In regards to Davis I thought he was a man amongst boys in college. He did develop a nice jumper as the season went along but the issue I see with Davis is he is going to face guys night in night out who can guard him.

Who among NBA centers is going to able to guard him both inside and out?

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

Kidd-Gilchrist can get into the lane and to the rim. I think you can always work on your shot, he just has that ability that few players have.

See, I see it as there are literally hundreds of guys that can get to the lane and rim, but, if defenders lay off him, how's he going to get there?

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

Terrance Jones played on a team where he was facing the teams second best big man defender. He was a good player who was put in a unique position to succeed. The big question I have is similar to that of Davis, what will happen when he has a defender on him who can guard him? Few college teams are deep enough to run 2 good post defenders out there every night.

Last season, Jones was the go-to low post guy and averaged 15.5/9/1.6/1.1 against the best the other team had to offer. He came back to Kentucky to win the championship. That tells me he's willing to sublimate his ego for the team.

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

Your two sleepers are both UNC guys. Total UNC has a total of 4 guys potentially getting drafted in the pros. It raises a flag to me as to whether or not they benefitted from each others play or whether they all were that good. The thing with Henson is his bulk as well as his shooting. Will he be able to shoot the ball enough and will he be able to bang enough.

Henson already shoots well out to 15, Zeller out to 18. Henson's jump hooks with either hand are impossible to block. As to banging, he did it well enough to average 10 rebounds and 3+ blocks per game. He may not, but others his size (Greg Monroe is, IMO, his closes comp) have done just fine.

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

My two sleepers would be two Syracuse guys. I think Melo can be a Roy Hibbert type player, but on the Roy Hibbert type path. He won't be an over night success story but if you stick with him he can be a force inside. I haven't really seen anyone score at will like Waters. He took over games at times against good defenders and scored from the outside and around the rim.

Like Melo, but don't expect any offense at all. He'll get 5-8 points a night, maybe scratch double figures at his peak. He just has no feel for anything other than a dunk. Even tip-ins are an adventure. Defensively, however, he could very well be exceptional. A 5/10/2+ block guy at C playing top-flight D would be great for a team like Miami.

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

I only really saw Beal play once and didn't remember him. He did nothing to stand out against OSU. The same can't be said about Rivers, who beat good defenders left and right.

Beals was outstanding in SEC play against top-flight defenses. Rebounding shooting guard who can shoot out to 25. Really nice upside.

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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Henson had a FT rate of 32.9, absolutely terrible for a guy of his height. He is in fact afraid to mix it up inside offensively. For comparison, Zeller had a FT rate of 56.3 while Greg Monroe in his sophomore season at Gtown was over 53. Tough guys get to the line. Henson is no tough guy. I think he's the obvious bust of the four Carolina guys.

Anthony Davis will be a perennial All-Star. I wouldn't put money on anyone else in this draft to be one although a few certainly have the potential.

Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

You know what I think would maximize Sully's effectiveness in the NBA? Make sure he's paired with a Center who is a true low post threat.

Sullinger would be great on the Kings with Cuz but taking him at 5 is a stretch. I would still rather take my chances with Sully than Drummond.

On what planet is counsins a center? Chuck Hayes was Sacto's center this year, which should tell you something.
Drummond is legit. He has a lot of potential if he remains healthy, and accepts his coaching.

Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by WVRed

Yet found other ways to dominate the game. Of course, he could have the same track as Greg Oden.

My love affair with Davis knows no bounds (I wore a unibrow to work often during the tournament), but I hope people aren't expecting Tim Duncan. He is much closer to the Tyson Chandler/Marcus Camby range of center, with better shooting range (if NBA teams let him do it).

Speaking of shooting range, that reminded me of a story about Camby. In the NBA, he gets putbacks and dunks and that is about it on the offensive end. But, I have a friend who played against him in a pickup game when Marcus was younger. MArcus decided that he wanted to run the point, and so he ran the offense and shot 3's...and dominated. It just goes to show you how good these guys are.

Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by improbus

My love affair with Davis knows no bounds (I wore a unibrow to work often during the tournament), but I hope people aren't expecting Tim Duncan. He is much closer to the Tyson Chandler/Marcus Camby range of center, with better shooting range (if NBA teams let him do it).

Speaking of shooting range, that reminded me of a story about Camby. In the NBA, he gets putbacks and dunks and that is about it on the offensive end. But, I have a friend who played against him in a pickup game when Marcus was younger. MArcus decided that he wanted to run the point, and so he ran the offense and shot 3's...and dominated. It just goes to show you how good these guys are.

Well I hope he turns out better than Camby or Chandler. Davis is what, 19 years old? He hasnt developed physically fully yet. He is like no player I have ever seen at the collegiate level. How does he translate to the NBA? I dont know, but to me there is no comparison out there. But I would agree with WMR, KG is the closest thing to him.

Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by Betterread

On what planet is counsins a center? Chuck Hayes was Sacto's center this year, which should tell you something.
Drummond is legit. He has a lot of potential if he remains healthy, and accepts his coaching.

I agree. IMHO, aside from Davis, Drummond possesses a much higher ceiling than any player in this draft, followed by Barnes, Perry Jones and Terrence Jones--in no particular order.

If you are Charlotte, and you are most assuredly going to participate in next year's lottery, why not swing for the fences? How have the "safe" picks been working out for the Bobcats?

Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrist may well develop into decent players, but do not possess star potential ceilings. As of right now, I wouldn't draft either one with the second pick.

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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Of the "safe" picks, I'd certainly take Beal over Robinson or Kidd-Gilchrist. Beal's ceiling is higher, that's for sure. Beal will be off the board by the 4th pick.

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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by Revering4Blue

Of the "safe" picks, I'd certainly take Beal over Robinson or Kidd-Gilchrist. Beal's ceiling is higher, that's for sure. Beal will be off the board by the 4th pick.

I agree. I think Beal is one of the few "impact" players out there. Davis and Beal then ????????? This draft does not impress me in the least. Quite a few "talented" players in it, but very few glare out at me.

Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Charlotte's guards aren't horrid. They need shooters, scorers, interior defense, and rebounding. Hence, Robinson. They could also gamble on Drummond, I suppose. (I question his production, however. At least Cousins produced with his poor attitude/ supposed work ethic problems. Drummond's been disappointing across the board.)

Were I Charlotte, I'd go with Robinson, and, early in the 2nd, Darius Miller. (Miller's a SF/SG with very good rage and above average defense. He's also shown an affinity for both starting and as sixth man. Of course, if Vandy's Taylor is there, I'd take him first, I think. I'd also think about Jenkins.)

Last edited by Scrap Irony; 06-02-2012 at 12:07 PM.

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Re: 2012 NBA Mock Draft

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Charlotte's guards aren't horrid. They need shooters, scorers, interior defense, and rebounding. Hence, Robinson. They could also gamble on Drummond, I suppose. (I question his production, however. At least Cousins produced with his poor attitude/ supposed work ethic problems. Drummond's been disappointing across the board.)

They need everything including the kitchen sink! Beal is young and has the chance to grow a tad more. He has the potential to be the face of the franchise, and a NBA All-Star. I dont see that in Robinson or Drummond quite frankly. But what do I know..........I thought Ralph Sampson, Waymon Tisdale, and Christian Laettner were sure fire locks in the HOF.

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