Trade Talk

I'm not really worried about his assist-to-tov ratio. It's his first year in the league as a PG, and he has been getting better lately. He's had 3 zero-turnover games within the last 7 games I believe.

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The big thing we need to see from Knight is that he keeps improving. In February he has a 2.14/1 assist to turnover ratio, which is significantly better than where he was early in the year. In addition, comparing February to January+December, his FG%, 3-pt%, eFG%, TS%, assists, and ppg are up, while turnovers and fouls are down. To be fair, the competition wasn't as good, but those kind of increases (in one month!) are the kinds we want to see.

I agree with what others have said - at least give him an off-season to gel with his teammates and a decent outside shooter to actually pass to, then evaluate him. Until then, just watch and recognize that he's young and he's going to be inconsistent.

Do you guys realize that Rondo is one of the best PG's in league? While I'm well aware that he can't shoot, I'm also aware of the fact that he still seems to score in the half court even though he can't shoot. My biggest knock on BK is that he has a weak and very loose handle, that was the knock coming in to UK and into the NBA, he has a high dribble that gets away from his body quite easily. If you swap Rondo for Knight (straight-up) I guarantee you that BG, Prince and even CV become much better players and Rondo would spoon feed GM so many dimes that he'd be obese by seasons end. DO THE DEAL, you can't bypass "what might be" for "what IS".

Do you guys realize that Rondo is one of the best PG's in league? While I'm well aware that he can't shoot, I'm also aware of the fact that he still seems to score in the half court even though he can't shoot. My biggest knock on BK is that he has a weak and very loose handle, that was the knock coming in to UK and into the NBA, he has a high dribble that gets away from his body quite easily. If you swap Rondo for Knight (straight-up) I guarantee you that BG, Prince and even CV become much better players and Rondo would spoon feed GM so many dimes that he'd be obese by seasons end. DO THE DEAL, you can't bypass "what might be" for "what IS".

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I would definitely trade BK for Rondo right now. I agree that Rondo is a top PG... Maybe even top 3. I'm not sure that I would trade BK AND our first round pick though. That seems pretty expensive for what may turn out to be a two year rental.

It's basically saying that a 4th pick costs about $5M per year and the average 4th pick outperforms his contract a bit. A 14th pick costs about $3M per year and under performs slightly. After reviewing a separate chart with relative values, it could also be expressed as a player picked 4th tends to be almost twice as good as a player picked 14th (in terms of PER).

Overall though, the rookie contract scale (as of the time of the article) was fitted somewhat to the expected performance for each position.... which the glaring exception of the top 4 picks, which tended to outperform their contracts. The closer you get to a #1 pick, the more you can expect a bang for your buck. So, it truly is like winning the lottery to get your ping pong combo drawn.

Overall, I'm actually leaning toward doing the trade after working through it all. In order to pull it off in the long run, Joe would have to become an expert spender of FA money to fill the Ben Gordon void. I'm afraid of what he might do if he has that much $ to spend though.

Once we made this trade, we could immediately stop tanking because our record doesn't matter to us and we could screw Boston by going on a winning streak with Rondo. Similarly, Boston would probably get worse in the short term and the 14th pick might turn into the 10th pick for us by the time it's all over with... especially if Boston had follow on trades that nuked their core. So, in this respect, the sooner we pull off the trade, the more value it has.

One reason why Joe might not do it though: Boston could possibly win the lottery with our inherited pick and he would look like a fool in hindsight. Expressed differently, we'd be throwing away any chance of winning the lottery. As it currently stands, we have somewhere close to a 15-20% chance of winning it according to Hollinger's machine.

CV's contract is smaller and he's a stretch 4, which is more valuable than an undersized SG. He kinda sucks, but he may be a little bit more tradable than BG, especially if he goes on a bit of a hot streak. Plus, he's apparently lost some weight, down t0 235 (or so he says), lowest since his second year in the league.

Was watching some time filler on league pass with Magic and Brouchard(sp?) talking. The points that they raised about Rondo were:

1) He has had all of his success with 3 hall of famers on the court with him; and 2) He has been a pain in the butt in a winning environment- so the fear is he'll be intolerable in a rebuilding situation

They think that Boston is feeling a chill from the market due to these questions.

I was watching him tonight and he made some really difficult passes look routine. 13 assists to 2 turnovers + 5 steals. Pretty nasty.

Even with Knight's solid outside stroke, his overall shooting isn't really any better than Rondo's.

Ply: eFG, TS% RR: .477, .509 BK: .479, .513

Virtually identical with 3's included and then again with 3's and FT's included.

What do you think? What would you give up for him?Yes, he is having an awful, really awful season.. But the man is a nice defender (not "impressive" but fair enough to block some shots) And he can jump and rebound too.He is doing really bad in a team where there are a lot of big men.. Chuck Hayes, Cousins, Thompson..The thing is Hickson only have this year in his contract and is about 2.3 Millons. We can't deal Ben Gordon or CV for him (I don't see how with the ESPN trade machine)

But, we can give them Daye + a 2nd rounder or .. Bynum and a 2nd (who I assume they would not want with Freddete, Thomas, Evans in their roster)

I'd give up BK and our 1st for Rondo. BK and Gordon for Rondo and Allen sounds to good to be true. GM at the C and Rondo at the PG is a pretty awesome foundation to build around, maybe the best PG-C combo in the league until Dwight moves to Brooklyn. If we would get to keep our pick (or switch with Boston) and get rid of a monster contract... Switching picks would also add the nice benefit of being able to root for the Pistons to win again.

What do you think? What would you give up for him?Yes, he is having an awful, really awful season.But the man is a nice defender (not "impressive" but fair enough .to block some shots) And he can jump and rebound too.He is doing really bad in a team where there are a lot of big men.. Chuck Hayes, Cousins, Thompson..The thing is Hickson only have this year in his contract and is about 2.3 Millons. We can't deal Ben Gordon or CV for him (I don't see how with the ESPN trade machine)

But, we can give them Daye + a 2nd rounder or .. Bynum and a 2nd (who I assume they would not want with Freddete, Thomas, Evans in their roster)

What do you think? .. I wouldn't mind.. And Hickson is young!

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He's used to be one of the worst defenders in the league imo, right up there with David Lee and those guys. I have hardly seen him since he moved to the Warriors but I doubt he's improved enough to be called "a nice defender".

When can we start making fun of Joe for not making this fabricated trade?

When Alexa calls Chucky V a "stretch 4" does she mean that it is a stretch to say he plays PF?

KGREG is spot on, you'd have to make this trade if it were real. Expecting any of Knights flaws (whatever they may be) to go away once he stops "being young" is dangerous. He will have some improvement, but I too would rather have the is.

Wish I was seeing what everyone else is in BK. I will try to be more patient and give him time to develop but its so obvious that the point is the main reason why we are so bad. Even the backups are not producing. We had that little run when Walker D was getting mins but the guy is practically no threat at all to shoot the ball.

Have to fix this soon or get BK going because I don't know who will want to sign onto a club with such a poorly ran offense. How many times have we seen Moose wide open only to be wasted by an errand shot by Tay or someone. Our offense more resembles a beer pickup game at times.

With Rondo I'd actually keep Ben Gordon. We often ask, "Where's Chicago Ben Gordon?" Well Kirk Hinrich is a better PG than any other PG that has been here since BG's arrival.......................Derrick Rose????? Goes without saying. So if there was a way to swap Rondo for BK7 (and fillers, i.e Bynum and Daye), and not involve draft picks, DO IT! Rondo would immediately make BG, CV, JJ and Greg Monroe better. My only concern is floor spacing when he's on the court with Stuckey.

With Rondo I'd actually keep Ben Gordon. We often ask, "Where's Chicago Ben Gordon?" Well Kirk Hinrich is a better PG than any other PG that has been here since BG's arrival.......................Derrick Rose????? Goes without saying. So if there was a way to swap Rondo for BK7 (and fillers, i.e Bynum and Daye), and not involve draft picks, DO IT! Rondo would immediately make BG, CV, JJ and Greg Monroe better. My only concern is floor spacing when he's on the court with Stuckey.

That team would not defend and would not hustle neither. (OF course, it's not like we are defending well right now with BK and Stuckey.. but Rondo, Gordon, CV, and Old Tay and Monroe.. the only good defender there is Rondo.

Everyone is saying "What if Brandon Knight reach his ceiling quickly and doesn't improve as we wish.

But What if Rondo is cancer that can be in a rebuilding team? .. What if a great coach like Doc Rivers and being surrounded by Allen, Pierce and Garnett makes Brandon Knight an impresive PG.? What If what makes so great about Rondo is the fact that he was playing with 3 Hall of famers and a bunch of veterans who knew what they were doing.