That's the part I really can't get my head around, how can they mess it up so badly.
I mean shit the thing is most likely end up being 2nd best console ever sold but those user purchases don't carry over properly.
Don't want to be hyperbolic about it, but I'm having issues to how they couldn't have had a better solution when it should be more important than BC for Xbox.

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Showing games at gdc isnt uncommon. Iirc halo 4’s first gameplay reveal was at gdc. And it really doesnt help that this was technically the first reveal for ps5 aside from the name drop. With the ps4, we already had the reveal plus games at this point of time.

One of the reasons I was clamoring for a later reveal for PS5 is because they would have the demos ready by then.. Also, all the devs would have already released their PS4 games like LOU 2, Tsushima etc...

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The fact they decided to go for raw tech talk without a second of graphics capabilities on display was quite a shock a huge mistake in my opinion. Not a one in-engine demo of whatever, didn't have to be a game even just an eyes on LOOK THIS IS WHAT IT CAN DO. Seems like they weren't fully aware as this is the first real live console reveal and it will be watched by hundreds of thousands of technically illiterate children starving for news about their new PlayStation and some eye candy to fuel their hype. All they really get from this is it has 1.7 less TF than the XeX hurr durrr Sony bad. I hope that such demo is soon to follow now due to the backlash unfolding among a large part of the target audience. I'm buying both consoles on launch and I'm super excited to see what's next regardless but I'm baffled by the current reveal strategy of Sony, as compared to how amazingly well they did it with the PS4

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They better have something better than knack 3 on launch if they want to reach the numbers of Wii U, because in my free customer opinion, they just sabotaged themselves like no manufacturer ever did before.

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Well he can think it is huge but it is way lower than XB1 to PS4 or Pro to X... these were over 40% difference.
Even accounting the variable clock it will be more like 18-25% the PS5 to Xbox SX difference.

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That's the part I really can't get my head around, how can they mess it up so badly.
I mean shit the thing is most likely end up being 2nd best console ever sold but those user purchases don't carry over properly.
Don't want to be hyperbolic about it, but I'm having issues to how they couldn't have had a better solution when it should be more important than BC for Xbox.

So do you think every PS4 game should somehow work flawlessly or do you think Sony should be taking the time to get every single one working by PS5 launch? Because when you take software that was never designed for faster hardware some things are going to break. They could just let it run but then people would complain and the resulting bugs are not what is expected from a console experience. So each game has to be tested and 100 of the most played games is pretty fucking good and will cover the majority of what people want to play. There's no reason they can't get every PS4 game working with time, unless they just stop working on it.

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They better have something better than knack 3 on launch if they want to reach the numbers of Wii U, because in my free customer opinion, they just sabotaged themselves like no manufacturer ever did before.

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So do you think every PS4 game should somehow work flawlessly or do you think Sony should be taking the time to get every single one working by PS5 launch? Because when you take software that was never designed for faster hardware some things are going to break. They could just let it run but then people would complain and the resulting bugs are not what is expected from a console experience. So each game has to be tested and 100 of the most played games is pretty fucking good and will cover the majority of what people want to play. There's no reason they can't get every PS4 game working with time, unless they just stop working on it.

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They confirmed PS4 BC.
But not all games will be at launch because they need to tests due the high clock of PS5 making some games runs bugged... so they will need to test and adjusts if needed all PS4 games.

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I thought the same during the video, i figured atleast all this tech effort are put for gaming, whether it's about devs or players, but man Cerny suggested that we send playstation picture of our ears so they could make a sculpture out of it, i'm dead on the floor laughing

They confirmed PS4 BC.
But not all games will be at launch because they need to tests due the high clock of PS5 making some games runs bugged... so they will need to test and adjusts if needed all PS4 games.

I read what you wrote, you're hopeful and happy with 100 games.
There's nothing else to discuss, follow their history, watch and listen to everything their said today, look at what the other guys have been doing.
If you want to remain hopeful that's fine, I already said why I'm not.

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The PS5 has a far weaker GPU, a weaker CPU that doesn't even have 16 threads, less bandwidth, etc. The only thing the PS5 has that's better is the SDD. However, it doesn't matter to me if a game loads one second faster.

The price doesn't matter to me because I won't buy a system that isn't a generational leap.

For the record, I won't be buying any console this generation because I'm sure the XBox will require you to connect to the internet for activation.

I love Cerny. I think the man is a genius and I think this was an awesome talk. But the way they did it is actually a huge win for Microsoft, making them keep on banging the 12 TF drum for the rest of the year now for sure.
The shitstorm on youtube is getting crazy already.
If they wanted to start here, they should have at least pair it with some eye-melting LOOK HERE IS WHAT IT DOES REAL QUICK, which they surely have heaps of already in the oven, and then - if you wanna know how it does it - here is Mark to tell you more. This should be lore to a setpiece. There was no setpiece.

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Xbox One reveal distilled:
"Here's our console. It's half as powerful as our competitor because we included a large useless piece of plastic with it that nobody wants, nobody will ever use, and any attempt to design games to make use of it result in hilarious tragedy. Oh, it's also more expensive than our competitor. By the way, isn't my hair great?"

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I read what you wrote, you're hopeful and happy with 100 games.
There's nothing else to discuss, follow their history, watch and listen to everything their said today, look at what the other guys have been doing.
If you want to remain hopeful that's fine, I already said why I'm not.

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I shouldn't have to be the one saying this, but the PS5's SSD is a *huge deal* and could actually change the way games are designed. Meanwhile, gamers will just look at the side-by-side specs and believe the Xbox is superior.

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he gave the same type of speech called ¨Road to PS4¨ on GDC, but the thing was that before that year there was an event in Febrary with more of a look for general audience.
They Should have that sooner rather than later now.

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Well he can think it is huge but it is way lower than XB1 to PS4 or Pro to X... these were over 40% difference.
Even accounting the variable clock it will be more like 18-25% the PS5 to Xbox SX difference.

The price will be important. Like Kinect support in Xbox One, I don’t think the superior SSD can justify a higher price.
they’ll need to be cheaper than the XSX.
but I still want to see the form factor for example. I cannot buy an XSX as it won’t fit in my multimedia setup. Hopefully, they managed this better in the PS5 else I’ll just wait for mid-gen updates.

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Even though Cerny is always longwinded, and it is GDC which is supposed to be tech heavy, Sony still botched it. They invited everyone to come watch Cerny talk PS5, so for sake of gamers who don't want to hear about 3D audio for 15 minutes straight you got to make the stage show more mainstream which is talking specs and games as a total package.

BUT, Schreier has it wrong though.

Sony didn't put out a boring lecture because that was the intent (tech heavy).

They put out that lecture because they know they got grilled by SeX and couldn't do a mano-on-mano showcase of tf or anything. When the first mention of tf is Cerny downplaying tf like they don't matter, you know something is off and he's trying to hide something..... then there it is. 10tf

Who releases a console reveal and talks storage space and 3D audio for 40 minutes out of a 60 minute show? Nobody. Cerny stopped talking about SSD at 12:25 pm est.

All the other key stuff like cpu, gpu, ram, tf was 20 minutes combined. He zipped though PS5 having 16gb GDDR6 ram in literally about 10 seconds. And nothing to do about games except something about Dead Space?

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I already gave a breakdown in one of the threads.... I like the custom design of PS5... Wish it had a bit more power and ram, I won't make bones about that.... I think the design is fascinating and has some very potential strengths that could make it punch really hard in the coming gen...

I still have to go over the ram bandwidth and seeing how they connect gpu/cpu/ram/storage..... Otherwise some parts of this system are insanely fast.

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While I still think Sony should have thrown the audience a bone along with the tech babble, this presentation my have had the intended purpose of attempting to bury the bad news. The spec comparison with Microsoft was inevitable, but now when Sony unveils the physical console (and one would assume some games), there's no reason to include charts with teraflops and discussions of 100+ backward-compatible PS4 games. One would think Sony expected the type of response this news is generating online, and it'll be interesting to see how they follow-up.

NO, it only works the other way. 10TF vs 12TF in insurmountable. It doesn't matter about their approaches are. The Xbox way, for MAXIMUM TF is the best way. It satisfies the Fanboys the best. It give them the most bullets for the coming WAR! LOL I love video game forums.

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The PS5 has a far weaker GPU, a weaker CPU that doesn't even have 16 threads, less bandwidth, etc. The only thing the PS5 has that's better is the SDD. However, it doesn't matter to me if a game loads one second faster.

The price doesn't matter to me because I won't buy a system that isn't a generational leap.

For the record, I won't be buying any console this generation because I'm sure the XBox will require you to connect to the internet for activation.

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Even though Cerny is always longwinded, and it is GDC which is supposed to be tech heavy, Sony still botched it. They invited everyone to come watch Cerny talk PS5, so for sake of gamers who don't want to hear about 3D audio for 15 minutes straight you got to make the stage show more mainstream which is talking specs and games as a total package.

BUT, Schreier has it wrong though.

Sony didn't put out a boring lecture because that was the intent (tech heavy).

They put out that lecture because they know they got grilled by SeX and couldn't do a mano-on-mano showcase of tf or anything. When the first mention of tf is Cerny downplaying tf like they don't matter, you know something is off and he's trying to hide something..... then there it is. 10tf

Who releases a console reveal and talks storage space and 3D audio for 40 minutes out of a 60 minute show? Nobody. Cerny stopped talking about SSD at 12:25 pm est.

All the other key stuff like cpu, gpu, ram, tf was 20 minutes combined. He zipped though PS5 having 16gb GDDR6 ram in literally about 10 seconds. And nothing to do about games except something about Dead Space?

This, the fact that 75%+ of the presentation was on SSD and audi is all you need to know. Doesn't mean games won't be fun on PS5, but they don't match up. Remains to be seen how much the public will care.

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This, the fact that 75%+ of the presentation was on SSD and audi is all you need to know. Doesn't mean games won't be fun on PS5, but they don't match up. Remains to be seen how much the public will care.

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This, the fact that 75%+ of the presentation was on SSD and audi is all you need to know. Doesn't mean games won't be fun on PS5, but they don't match up. Remains to be seen how much the public will care.

Honestly, they won't. Casual's which makes up most of the video game industry, doesn't care how many TF one has over the other. They honestly want immediacy and convenience, the average consumer gets frustrated by buffering on YouTube. Most go with what's popular or what their friends are playing. It only matters to us here in these forums. When it comes to it, in the end it'll be about the games. Who's logo is at the end of those game trailers.

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The price will be important. Like Kinect support in Xbox One, I don’t think the superior SSD can justify a higher price.
they’ll need to be cheaper than the XSX.
but I still want to see the form factor for example. I cannot buy an XSX as it won’t fit in my multimedia setup. Hopefully, they managed this better in the PS5 else I’ll just wait for mid-gen updates.

Sony probably knows they can't be matched in price... they needs to be cheaper.
From the number of the CUs you already have an ideia that the APU at least is cheaper for Sony than for MS.
Let's see how much MS is open to eat costs to match PS5 price.