One of our Goals is to have the most impressive array of weapons any game has seen to date.

Over 80 weapons (Not all Shown Here) compiled from the community. Many of which textured by our texture artist, Millenia. Plenty of high quality models to be found, and some of which of a lower quality soon to be replaced. We're constantly trying to improve our Arsenal.

Every weapon has been animated by KingFriday. Weapons are equipped via shoulder holster, have natural idle animations, no improper clipping, and smooth transitions and a strong feeling of inertia, along with a consistency and quality unlike any other animations before.

Having a myriad of weapons on your playground certainly isn't a bad thing. However the way in which they behave is key. Ballistics tout a key balance between realistic scaling, balanced placement and location, and rewarding and satisfying gunplay. Panzerdraco, our weapons expert, is configuring a weapon's base that will bring sanity to this mess of weapons.

Unless somebody stole credit for your FAMAS, uploaded it on FPSB, and gave me credit to use it then I'm going to have to assume you're jumping to conclusions based on a weapon model for a mainstream weapon on one 320x225 resolution screenshot.

than you dont have to bug the LURK Team, then you have to think about a guy named Dester that might asked you for Permission to use the Model for a Mod called "Arsenal Mod" KingFriday just reanimates some Guns of Arsenal-Mod for LURK.
If it´s really your work, just click on the miniature screen to get it in 640×450 to check.

Millenia gave the thumbs up for models ages ago. He's actually on the damned team. If you're not going to hang around FPSB, or post a place where I can contact you on it, and if you think that I'm going to ask everyone who was responsible for creating the weapon if I can have their specific permissions to use it. Regardless asking for permissions is an act of courtesy and not mandatory anyways. I tried to cover my bases but if you're going to be a prick about it then I don't feel like going the extra mile for you. What do you want anyways? For me to retract it?

"Millenia gave the thumbs up for models ages ago. He's actually on the damned team."

Then you could've asked him yourself who made the model, it's not that difficult. Besides he didn't make the actual model so that's irrelevant.

"...and if you think that I'm going to ask everyone who was responsible for creating the weapon if I can have their specific permissions to use it."

Yeah, you really should though.

"Regardless asking for permissions is an act of courtesy and not mandatory anyways."

This is blatantly false. You are not the original author of the works you're using in this project and as such you do not have any ownership over any of them. This model (and quite probably most of the other works) was released with very specific conditions, including:

"The files in this package are copyright of the respective owners, you may not modify this package, or any of the files within this package, without the explicit permission of the creators. You may redistribute these files, but not as part of any pack or collection of files other than the package in which they were originally released."

You are to abide by these rules.

"What do you want anyways? For me to retract it?"

No, I wanted you to ask me if you could use it and give proper credit to everybody where it's due.

Haha that's pretty funny. A copywrite doesn't exist simply because you wrote it in the readme. The reality is, if you're not selling the product for money, then there's almost a 100% chance that you didn't actually go through the legal procedures to create a copywrite for your models.

However, not asking for permission is still a **** thing to do, it's a matter of being polite to ask for permission. The reality is that people can go around, and even pretend that they made it themselves if they wanted to.

I tried to cover my bases like I said, with the sheer quantity of weapons we have, it would be largely impractical for me to get permissions from all 80+ weapons, which would be about 80 times however many people were involved, such a labor is beyond my ability. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to have the person who gave permissions to ask the other people they're clearly affiliated with correct?

You don't need to "create" or "file" a copyright, it directly applies after creating the product, thus you are wrong AND ignorant.

"However, not asking for permission is still a **** thing to do, it's a matter of being polite to ask for permission. The reality is that people can go around, and even pretend that they made it themselves if they wanted to."

That's basically telling everyone how much of a **** you are, considering you STILL haven't asked me.

"Surely it wouldn't be that hard to have the person who gave permissions to ask the other people they're clearly affiliated with correct? "

I never took credit for creating it, and I asked permissions from the people I could get into contact with.

A 'copywrite' is a legal document, not something you can just assign yourself. I am not wrong or ignorant. Morally it is wrong to take without making effort to get permissions, and take credit, but there is nothing stopping people from doing this without an actual copywrite. If this were the case then many people working on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. before I would be serving many many lifetime sentences.

I would have contacted you if I had means of doing so, but I did not.

It is an act of courtesy to ask for permissions, of which I did my best to abide to.

The weapon model for the FAMAS are in circulation already, I didn't even initiate using it on the X-Ray engine. The first to use it was Arsenal, I was under the impression it was a free to use resource, given that they had said it was on their postings. However when I learned that most weapons were imported, I tried to ask for permissions despite this:Gsc-game.com

"I never took credit for creating it, and I asked permissions from the people I could get into contact with."

Maybe not, but then again you didn't give proper credit to the original authors either.

"A 'copywrite' is a legal document, not something you can just assign yourself. I am not wrong or ignorant."

"Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is cre­ated in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who cre­ated the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright."
...
"No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Offce is required to secure copyright."

Source: http://www.copyright.gov/

"I would have contacted you if I had means of doing so, but I did not."

That's understandable.

"It is an act of courtesy to ask for permissions, of which I did my best to abide to."

This is wrong, see above and my previous messages.

"Despite this talk, what exactly do you want me to do about it? Do you want me to remove it now? Do you intend to just keep talking or do you actually have some sort of goal in this? "

I already stated EXACTLY what I wanted in my previous posts, good to know that you don't properly read them. I just downloaded the 1.8 Gb file just to check for a single text document containing proper credits for all of the works used in this project. It was not included.

Asking for credit is fair enough, the way in which we received the models made us do research in order to find where they actually came from, because Arsenal gave no credits whatsoever, and they were responsible for the first exports.

We'll try and find the original modelers/texture artists for all the weapons, and I'll provide proper credits to you.

I'm doing this because I think it's right, and because I know you deserve credit for the model. There is no ******* law protecting you from me using this, or even abusing the right of ownership.

The text you posted had absolutely no pertinence to creating a copywrite, and was only rules in place assuming you had already made one. Peer over this for a moment:Img710.imageshack.us

>Documents pertaining to a copyright, including documents that transfer copyright ownership, may by recorded in the Copyright Office.

You need to record an official document, which is a procedure that costs money, and time, and other jurisdictions.

Even if you had given me permission, then you would have to assign me the rights via legal procedures.

Listen man, I'm on your side, it's your model, not Arsenal's, and you deserve credit for making it, and I appreciate that it exists and you're letting me use it, but you look like a ******* idiot touting being legally protected by copywrite law just because you wrote it yourself in a goddamned readme.

The pic you linked me to only refers to existing documents regarding copyright, not to the actual "creation" of it. You CAN file for copyright to have it on paper, but it is not REQUIRED to do so, for the reasons and quotes I stated earlier. To reiterate:

"As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work and to any derivative works, unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them or until the copyright expires. Foreign authors are given the same rights and privileges to copyrighted material as domestic authors in any country that signed the Convention."

"Copyright under the Berne Convention must be automatic; it is prohibited to require formal registration (note however that when the United States joined the Convention in 1988, they continued to make statutory damages and attorney's fees only available for registered works)."

At any rate, I appreciate you making a proper credit list, and I'll just leave it at that.

Cant we all just ******* agree that it looks nice!, and plus the famas looks the same in most games.....
Just dont have a ******* cry bout it, its in it now, and we can use it to kill things.
P.s. its one ******* gun model, grow the **** up.

First, I'm not taking sides on who created the FAMAS in this mod. I don't know enough about the facts to make a determination.

That said, having poured many hours into mod creation myself, I can attest to how frustrating it is to have your work used without first acquiring one's permission.

9.9 times out of 10, most mod makers will GLADLY allow their work to be used in another mod because they've FREELY poured tons of hours, and sweat into THEIR creation. And all that they ask for in return is for a LITTLE bit of gratitude which they all too rarely get, and a small request for permission.

You make a very good point, Yet Its not something to get really worked up about, Just ask kindly "I made that model (show proof) Can you please put some form of title or thing in the credits to show that i made it."

Just need to be mature about the way you go about, if you suspect its been stolen, dont rage or flame, just tell them kindly. And hope that they understand.

Hey, the G36 only has the single sight now. I can't remember if I just thought this to myself or if I actually posted up here; but I always thought it was a bit strange that it had the two sights (in RL as well), yet you could only use the one.

The glint of light on that scope on the M16 (or variant) gives me thoughts of doing evil, evil things to people's heads.

Keep up the great work, looks like SOC modding is going out with a bang.

edit: what's the 15th gun down, right side? The fire selector looks like H&K, but I don't recognize the rest of it. G36 variant with a different foregrip maybe?