I would like to introduce myself.

If you type in certain keywords like 'mars animals' the lesser traffic site, angelfire,
will show up in the results but not mars-mania. Mars-mania is in the
top 250,000 to 300,000 websites out of the nearly 4 billion websites
on the internet. The angelfire site only gets 1/30th the amount of traffic.
Someone is obviously paying the top search engines to 'filter' mars-mania
from certain search results. Less popular search engines return both on
the first page of results. I know it is not NASA because I presented
a paper with 8x10 color glossies to them and only gave them the angelfire
site in the references. I have no idea how much it costs or who
would be behind it. I would appreciate any theories from the group here.

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You can peruse my stats page which lists the top 20 or 30 keywords
and phrases used in searches that returned mars-mania. Just go to: www.mars-mania.com... Here also are the most
common IP addresses of those visiting. I see Moscow occassionally.
later,
keith phillips

The most important thing to become aware of is that the 'powers that be' pay the top search engines to filter 'the truth' from the results.
There are also numerous out of date and dummy pages to fill the results on the more sensitive topics. It is like changing channels at night on your
television set to get the 'news'. You click through the alphabet channels and it is the same format every time.
The media has a set of generally agreed principles on which they operate, including the ommission of certain types of news, eg crop circles, UFOs, ...
one could go on. This results in 'formula' news on TV, where one can predict that there will be:
1) an emotional appeal for news about some missing kid by the mother
2) pics of terrorist wreckage in Israel/Bali/somewhere
3) news of a potential or actual strike in the public services.
4) an incorrect weather forecast
5) lots of sport items of absolutely no consequence
6) What some Minister/politician said
7) some ridiculous 'happy item' where we are all supposed to go "ahhh, cooee, diddums, fancy that".

How much do I know about search engines? Not much! I have just been paying some attention over the last few years at how quickly even my lowly
angelfire site would show up on the search engines every time I posted a page with a different title. Recently though I noticed that my heavily
visited mars-mania wasn't getting the same treatment. I then tried several different search engines and got both sites or neither. At least on the
first page or two of the results. When you create a webpage and give it a title that you think could be a key search phrase you must then go to
several search engines and search for it. Obviously it won't show up immediately but you have planted the seed. Of course, you can always make a post
on a BBS that references that page to get traffic and show up on the search engine 'radar'. As for the saucer beam it is in the process of beaming
me aboard susposedly.

As I mentioned, the mars site is poorly designed from a search engine standpoint. To understand what search engines "see" when they come to index a
page... use a text-only bare-bones browser like Lynx. If they don't know what's there, how can they show the page on search returns?

Let's not squabble over how much better you are at designing webpages. That is not the point. Both sites use the same format on the index page. It is
not the index page that is in question anyway. The pages that reference mars animals are identical. Mars-mania has the alexa tool bar showing it is in
the top .3% and if you go and check ranking.com it shows it even closer to .2%.
But the main thing is to keep them from ever getting above the top .01%. If people don't know what other people have found (or think they have found)
then there can never be any discussion about it. My whole point is this: Use the less popular search engines and compare results especially when
searching subjects that are typically discussed here.

I never thought about promoting my website. I was using it asn an example. You are absolutely right. I am
ashamed and embarassed. I will ask the administrator
to delete the thread. Then can we discuss how the 'powers that be' are trying to control the internets ability to circumvent their control on
society?

Thank you Sapphire. I hope this thread is deleted soon. I really
blew it. I just wasn't thinking (DOH!) I even mentioned all
you have to do is post a link on a BBS! You see I am quite happy
with my websites stats and I do not make any money from it.
I have never sold anything. Anyway, I owe everyone an apology.
I still want to discuss the topic of website demotion. I think
it happens a lot. I will just have to find another example
or two. Perhaps the US Navy confirms cold fusion is real. I will
search for one. The less popular search engines should be more
free from such payments. There was a great quote of Goethe as I
read in one of the replies.

Originally posted by inthevoid
If you type in certain keywords like 'mars animals' the lesser traffic site, angelfire,
will show up in the results but not mars-mania. Mars-mania is in the
top 250,000 to 300,000 websites out of the nearly 4 billion websites
on the internet. The angelfire site only gets 1/30th the amount of traffic.
Someone is obviously paying the top search engines to 'filter' mars-mania
from certain search results. Less popular search engines return both on
the first page of results. I know it is not NASA because I presented
a paper with 8x10 color glossies to them and only gave them the angelfire
site in the references. I have no idea how much it costs or who
would be behind it. I would appreciate any theories from the group here.

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Yeh, my best sc##@#wups are when I have been hitting my beer.
Unfortunately, I cannot afford the good stuff. They laugh at me
at the checkout stand with my 2 $8 cases of Hamms. I'm not a stock holder
nor am I promoting their beer, O.K.? Yes, I have had stuff for sale
but I have never sold. I even used to try to give away money.
I had zero responses. I don't know how anybody can make money on
websites. Back to conspiracies: Did anyone know that the US Navy
confirmed that cold fusion is real 3 years ago? That they asked
our wonderful congress to fund more research? I will have to go
find the link or we can all try different search engines and meet back here.
MIT Cold Fusion Magazine has the story and the links to the two
PDF's. Also, anyone ever read about "there is no such thing as 'fossil fuel'"?

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