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The C63 AMG Black Series has the Weistec Stage III 3.0 liter blower with 11 psi of boost producing somewhere in the 650 wheel horsepower range. The F10 M5 is stock and well, that shows. Maybe stock M5's are faster in Sweden? Enjoy the video.

Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.

So all this talk about BMW not holding up to the competition... Why do you still stick with them, and why do you have a BMW car that once modded, still isn't among the fastest M3s? I haven't been here in a while, so maybe you finally gave up on your M3 project. Or maybe it is finally complete.

1) Mustangs can be modded to beat them in a straight line, but again, that bores the sh** out of me. Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns. Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.

2) We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed. The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc. They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.

Dude are you $#@!ing retarded ?? A Mustang cannot be modded to go fast on a road course ???? Ever heard of the new Boss 302 ??? It's a factory road race Mustang so it doesn't even need to be modified.
Black Series cars were not meant to compete against cars that cost more than double you moron. They are a direct competitor to BMW but BMW has no answer for them - end of story.

And continues to be - the base price on the C Black is not 150k as he suggested it's about 20k less IIRC.

Black C63 lists for $117k Euros, or if you're literate - that's about $150k. So, nope, wasn't wrong there. Thanks for playing. And you listed American DRIVERS when I clearly stated American cars were only good in a straight line, which is beginning to change with the Caddy CTS-V and others.

Dude are you $#@!ing retarded ?? A Mustang cannot be modded to go fast on a road course ???? Ever heard of the new Boss 302 ??? It's a factory road race Mustang so it doesn't even need to be modified.
Black Series cars were not meant to compete against cars that cost more than double you moron. They are a direct competitor to BMW but BMW has no answer for them - end of story.

LMAO, you are the retarded one: If the one you're supposedly competing against (as YOU claim Black series competes with BMW) and your "competitor" doesn't even make a rival, is that really competition? You stated they "have no answer", but they haven't bothered to make a competitor. Let's see who wins next yeaers Super Bowl if only one team shows up, shall we?

Black C63 lists for $117k Euros, or if you're literate - that's about $150k. So, nope, wasn't wrong there. Thanks for playing. And you listed American DRIVERS when I clearly stated American cars were only good in a straight line, which is beginning to change with the Caddy CTS-V and others.

Ford won't release Nurburgring lap times for the Boss 302 or the GT500.

Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.

Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.

Um, you are on US based web site with mostly US users so we really don't care how many of your declining Euros the car lists for. In the US, it's no where near $150k - so once again you are way off base. I think it's pretty clear what an absolute idiot you are. 'Ring times are not the end all be all for road racing and it is very clear there ARE American cars that can turn fast laps.
For instance here is a member here running his Boss 302 at Willow springs turning a lap time that is equal to what a 996 Cup Car runs.

et lost you $#@!ing moron.

Again, for a moron, at least I am literate enough to read location info - I am in SoCal myself dumbass. Need me to lend you the "hooked on phonics" my kids are done with?

And yet, IDIOT, nearly all of the drivers listed spent time in Europe honing their skills in European cars. LMAO

So someone went to Europe to drive and that makes them what, no longer American ??

Dude you are looking really bad right now - you need to stop making overly generalized statements because each time you do you are proven wrong - just like that boss 302 video I just posted.
And now you want to compare a street car boss 302 to a RACE ONLY DTM CAR ??? How old are you ?? So, by that logic, lets see how well a DTM car does against an Indy car....what a retard!!!

You tell me douche, you listed American DRIVERS when I mentioned American CARS, see the difference? DERP

Yes, and I also listed an STOCK American cat that is made for road racing and turns lap times as fact as a 996 cup car. So that pretty much BLOWS your theory OUT OF THE WATER about no american cars being able to road race - n'est pas ?