There is no doubt whatsoever that prostitution is a dirty business. There is much human suffering as a result of the demand. And I am part of the demand. A small part, but many grains of sand make a beach!

Having said that, I could invoke rhetorical arguments of equivocation like the human trafficking for many other business' we all use products of, wearing Nike shoes, drinking coffee, having a maid clean my room, buying goods Made in China, using oil, coal or eating fish from the ocean.

And yes, even kiting near wildlife sanctuaries. Because those "evironmentalists" believe with the same or equal vigor in their cause as the anti-prostitution advocates believe in theirs.

But I won't, because I admit to being a hedonist and understand my desires have consequences.

But I do try to minimize if not eliminate those unintended DIRECT consequences by buying as "fair trade" as I can within my knowledge.

Aside from the self-serving sensationalistic media whores, NGO's and "study" authors whose livilehoods depend on producing studies that can create funding, I know there to be another side to the world of sex work.

Just as many American's wail over such things, they hire illegal Mexicans to tend their wasteful green lawns and obscene gardens. Many hire the local landscaper who pays his employees taxes and health care and a fair wage. NONE of these people want to sweat their bag off to cut your fucking ornamental lawns. Nor shovel the shit to fertilize your "organic" gardens.

Nobody feels good about going to work in Arkansas factory chicken and pig farms cleaning out the acrid chicken and pig shit. THEY HATE IT! And they "whore" themselves out for the money.

So, why can't a woman MAKE HER DECISION if she would rather have sex for 10x the money as having to work as a maid or even as a lawyer?

Because the sanctimonious do-gooders who LOVE to tell others what THEY can or can't do, marginalize and denigrate a JOB that has gone on for thousands of years. And WILL go on for thousands more!

The question is... HOW?

Prohibition? How has that worked so far with prostitution and human trafficking? Drugs? Alcohol in the Prohibition Era?

Abstinence? LOL!! Sure, the Catholic Church shows that works real good. Keeps those Priests away from having sex with women alright!

Keep it in the underground where the criminal element thrives and true victims are effectively without meaningful protection as Society looks at them as less than human.

No, I say make it as legal for an individual to sell their own sexual services without fear, shame nor penalty.

Only then will there be a chance for true human freedom and structural societal protection from predatory criminals.

Where did I state that there are happy prostitutes? I am just stating how the law is applied there and I said nothing regarding its effectiveness. Policymakers can say a lot of things, but the law is what the previous policy makers said and implemented. I merely commented that there can be laws and wide scale prostitution.

As far as "happy" workers go. Please go to any office building in any Western nation on Monday, and find me a happy worker

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In the western world it is a complex problem, with a high level of human trafficking, in the non-industrialized world it is mostly blatant exploitation.

Ah yes, such is the curse of globalization. I highly suggest that you don't buy your next kite/shoes/TV/etc. that came from China or some other non-Western nation because there is an almost 100% chance that somebody got exploited.

Disclaimer: I don't care about the prostitute issue, but I care when my tax money goes to waste (i.e. war on drugs, war against prostitutes). People still do drugs and pay money for sex in US, and it seems that the police efforts (paid by my taxes) are fucking worthless.

tautologies wrote:

RomanC wrote:

Where did I allude that Amsterdam is a crime-free prostitution happy place? I replied to Prostitution on the scale you are looking for happens in areas where the law doesn't protect women. Amsterdam does have a large scale legal (in the eyes of the law) prostitution industry, and there are laws that protect women as this is a Western-type country. Finally, in Amsterdam they even have a prostitute union.

Not true. ...and this is what the policymakes says about that:

*****Mr. Cohen, the mayor (of Amsterdam), recalled that in 2000, the Dutch legalized prostitution, intending to make the sex trade more transparent and protect women by giving them work permits. “We realize that this hasn’t worked, that trafficking in women continues,” he said. “Women are now moved around more, making police work more difficult.”*****http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world ... wanted=all

I don't even understand how it is possible to still argue about "happy" prostitutes. If you do not care fine, but do not try to make it as if the industry is a glorious and nice industry. It is a dirty business, even in Amsterdam, and it is well documented as being run by mafia that use illegal means to do their business. Red Light District has a lot of human trafficking, and attempts at cleaning it up has not succeeded so far.

Arguing that it will always exist and there is nothing you can do so you might as well be part of it is simply trying to wash off guilt. If you REALLY have antipathy in regards to prostitution then you do not leave your monies there. If you do not care, then that it a different matter.

In the western world it is a complex problem, with a high level of human trafficking, in the non-industrialized world it is mostly blatant exploitation.

Can you honestly say that you would want your own daughter to be a whore?

It is too bad that you just don't get it. Any man who has a daughter that he loves understands at some level why prostitution is evil both for women and society as a whole. Women are not objects, they are our equals.

I wonder if these douchebags having sex with prostitutes think they are having sex rather than glorified masturbation. While they are get all hot and flustered that woman is just hoping it will be over quick looking at the clock on the wall. They will even fake orgasms to speed things up.

I wonder if these douchebags having sex with prostitutes think they are having sex rather than glorified masturbation. While they are get all hot and flustered that woman is just hoping it will be over quick looking at the clock on the wall. They will even fake orgasms to speed things up.

Sounds a bit like married sex... from what I hear!

Empirical evidence suggests ingestion of Wedding Cake can cause this to occur.

FredBGG wrote:

I'm not a moralizing conservative at all...

I believe you Fred, I really do! Don't worry though I will still love you!

I will love you LONG time!

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Can you honestly say that you would want your own daughter to be a whore?

It is too bad that you just don't get it. Any man who has a daughter that he loves understands at some level why prostitution is evil both for women and society as a whole. Women are not objects, they are our equals.

So perhaps if your daughter does not have the benefit of education nor opportunity she should be enslaved to be an "honest" maid, a "decent" pig farm helper or simply become enslaved to an equally impoverished (horny) husband to breed more children into that cycle of "honest and decent" desperation?

Just like kiteboarders who can't stay upwind, not all women equate sex with long walks on the beach.

I see nothing wrong with honest maid,decent pig farm helper if their fate is uneducated & poor,i respect these honest people, and definitely nothing wrong with falling in love then get marry and raise the children to live a meaningful healthy life,i wouldn't call that a " that cycle of "honest and decent" desperation " because people do it with great joy. Donkey dick,you need love !!! man .I mean real love, a true unconditional love from a women giving to you will lift up your spirit and change your sexual behavior to a more joyful higher level. Good luck.

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I see nothing wrong with honest maid,decent pig farm helper if their fate is uneducated & poor,i respect these honest people, and definitely nothing wrong with falling in love then get marry and raise the children to live a meaningful healthy life,i wouldn't call that a " that cycle of "honest and decent" desperation " because people do it with great joy.

Good luck.

Oh I am starting to get it!

Being an honest pig farm helper or being a maid equates to falling in love, getting married, having children and a meaningful healthy life!

Damn, half of the western world (divorced) should be let in on this secret!

Conversely, a woman who decides to provide honest sexual services at 10x or more of the poverty stricken (who may be lucky to get a job on the farm or in a hotel) is automatically deemed as being indecent?

That all women are victims the moment they renegotiate a more direct approach to the indirect sex exchange that is the cornerstone of all conventional men /women relationships?

Or are you making decisions for them from your comfy western life of priviledge?

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