WHy is is so darned important for people to be descended from the Israelites in the Bible? Is it the idea that only 144,000 peoplewill be admitted into "Heaven" and they all have to be "Israelites"? What a dreary belief system!

It's like the Annunaki left a crew here on earth and then went home for 3600 years, and you're all packed up for the return home when the Relief Crew comes with Nibiru.

How about Soul going to heaven when the body dies?The Middle East was so materialistic 2000 years ago they had No concept of the ordinary person having a spiritual existence. And you Christian converts bought all that???

As this site proposes, I too have been inspired to seek the truth regarding Israel, as it relates to prophecies clearly expressed within scripture.

I am hardly bold enough to proclaim that I am truly informed but it has been my prayerful purpose to consider all claims regarding this. With that stated clearly, I will share a few points that I feel go overlooked in this discussion and I pray they will be of service to any seeking understanding.

Firdt and foremost, any claim that denies the absolute wickedness of man, regardless or tribe or nation, is already on the wrong path. Conversely, any group that espouses a "master race" ideology can be dismissed on these simple, core truths of doctrine, inherent and defining of a follower of Christ:

Any sanctification of a people by the hand of God will simultaneously be without any shred of worthiness on the part of the sanctified but by grace alone. The first pitfall of many seekers of prophecy is to presume Israel, through works, has somehow manifested his greatness by holiness. This is contrary to the entire gospel, and is the identifying characteristic of the spirit of anti-Christ described by both Paul and John.

Secondly, as is often the case with men, we perceive this being sanctified or set apart for a special purpose by God to be a boon or benefit to said people. This does not reflect the pattern of leadership that is shown throughout scripture, being perfectly embodied within Christ. Instead, we are tempted to envision a fleshly form of leadership, embodied increasingly by the kings and rulers of the nations of men...a leadership of pride, egotism, and self-service. No, Christ, by both teaching and deed, defined authority to be in direct proportion to willingness to serve and sacrifice.

Those who wish to proclaim themselves as Israel would do well to ask themselves, are they willing to be the willing, humble, joyful servitor race to a world that will surely condemn them as they did Christ?

As I consider the subject of Israel's identity, weighing the evidence and claims of races, groups, and extremes...I recognize that this pursuit MUST NOT, be taken from a position of bias. As in our walk with Christ, there is no salvation without absolute surrender to His will...even if worldly standards would define it as "unfair".

The only race of people to travel to the 4 corners of the earth so to speak were white, no black people have set foot on Antartica, only white.

Read Ezekeil, there is a verse condemning Israelite women for chasing the philistines men because 'their members were like those of donkeys'. Meaning big black schlong. This proves blacks weren't the true Israelites.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 901085

Sorry there's JUST so much wrong with that. The first man to travel to Antarctica was black, do read a book. Also if you really believe the bible could be interpereted to say anything about "big black schlong," you absolutely need more help than anyone can give you.

The only race of people to travel to the 4 corners of the earth so to speak were white, no black people have set foot on Antartica, only white.

Read Ezekeil, there is a verse condemning Israelite women for chasing the philistines men because 'their members were like those of donkeys'. Meaning big black schlong. This proves blacks weren't the true Israelites.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 901085

Sorry there's JUST so much wrong with that. The first man to travel to Antarctica was black, do read a book. Also if you really believe the bible could be interpereted to say anything about "big black schlong," you absolutely need more help than anyone can give you.

I am sorry that you feel the way you do, enough to hijack someone elses heritage as such. I saw someone qote Lamentations : 4: 8 as proof which states " 8 Now their appearance is blacker then soot; T go unrecognized in the streets; Their skin clings to their bones, It has become as dry as wood." Another example of Scripture taken out of context. When reading a verse from the Bible it is wise to read the book completely that contains that verse. But luckily we only have to go back one verse, in reality it reads like this.: Lamentations: 4: 7-8 Her Nazirites were brighter than snow And whiter than milk; They were more ruddy in body than rubies, like sapphire in their appearance. 7 Now their appearance is blacker than soot; They go unrecognized in the streets; their skin clings to their bones, It has become as dry as wood. I see no evidence of the jewish people being Negros. I see God passing judgment on Israel.Then I saw someone use Lamentations: 5: 10 and they changed one word in the sentence to fit their agenda. They changed HOT to BLACK 10 Our skin is BLACK as an oven, <--FALSE!!!! It actually readsas such.10 Our skin is HOT as an oven, Because of the fever of famine. How would black fit in that sentence, I think the way it actually reads makes more sense.

And farther more if the Egyptians were Negro and the Israelites too. Then you kept your own people in slavery for 400 years! WTH! That would also mean you were one of the first civilization to practice slavery on your own people. If Egyptians and Israelis were Negros. And if that were the case wouldn't it have made more sense for Moses to tell Pharaoh "Let OUR people go!" Instead of "Let MY people go!" The Egyptians felt they were better than the Israelites, I am willing to bet it was due to a difference in race.

The linage of Christ was from the white people. God said he chose them because THEY were the least on the earth.

The lost tribes fled into the caucus mountains which is why they are called Caucasians today. All of this is readily available to any who care enough to google it and read. It is so easy, even a black man could do it.

Here is a link with first hand testimony from the Roman government as to what Jesus looked like and what his mother looked like.

He had chestnut colored hair and large baby blue/gray eye's.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941878

Your full of crap. Everyone in the Bible was BROWN. Whites came later as mutations from living in northern areas. The only reason many Jewish people of today look light skinned is because women were raped by Romans during the Crusades. You need to get your facts straight. Whites are not it, and I'm white.

The linage of Christ was from the white people. God said he chose them because THEY were the least on the earth.

The lost tribes fled into the caucus mountains which is why they are called Caucasians today. All of this is readily available to any who care enough to google it and read. It is so easy, even a black man could do it.

Here is a link with first hand testimony from the Roman government as to what Jesus looked like and what his mother looked like.

He had chestnut colored hair and large baby blue/gray eye's.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941878

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911359

Christ, White? Really?! Chestnut hair, baby blue eyes?! How about the description of christ by a roman, which said he had thick wooly hair, copper colored skin and light brown eyes? People the hebrews have always been people of color. This is a sideshow issue right now which the media chooses to ignore but as the dry bones in the vally of death continue to quicken, soon this will be an issue that no one can keep out of the mainstream!

WHy is is so darned important for people to be descended from the Israelites in the Bible? Is it the idea that only 144,000 peoplewill be admitted into "Heaven" and they all have to be "Israelites"? What a dreary belief system!

It's like the Annunaki left a crew here on earth and then went home for 3600 years, and you're all packed up for the return home when the Relief Crew comes with Nibiru.

How about Soul going to heaven when the body dies?The Middle East was so materialistic 2000 years ago they had No concept of the ordinary person having a spiritual existence. And you Christian converts bought all that???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310632

It's important because the israelites are the ones who lost their heritage as stated in jeremiah:Jeremiah 17:4 KJVA

And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.Hmmm. who does that describe?

I'm not buying it, but they seem to have forgotten that most of the world has nothing good to say about Ancient Israelites.

Quoting: weegie

Ouija,The world has hated on the israelites just like they hate on us, you know why?.... because us blacks and israelites are one and the same! israelites were hated just as we are today! Can you connect the dots? Who else would have their town bombed by their own government? Blacks. Who gets enslaved for over 1000 years by both arabs and europeans? Read deuteronomy 28, acts 13:1. off the ouija board please.

The only race of people to travel to the 4 corners of the earth so to speak were white, no black people have set foot on Antartica, only white.

Read Ezekeil, there is a verse condemning Israelite women for chasing the philistines men because 'their members were like those of donkeys'. Meaning big black schlong. This proves blacks weren't the true Israelites.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 901085

Sorry there's JUST so much wrong with that. The first man to travel to Antarctica was black, do read a book. Also if you really believe the bible could be interpereted to say anything about "big black schlong," you absolutely need more help than anyone can give you.

As this site proposes, I too have been inspired to seek the truth regarding Israel, as it relates to prophecies clearly expressed within scripture.

I am hardly bold enough to proclaim that I am truly informed but it has been my prayerful purpose to consider all claims regarding this. With that stated clearly, I will share a few points that I feel go overlooked in this discussion and I pray they will be of service to any seeking understanding.

Firdt and foremost, any claim that denies the absolute wickedness of man, regardless or tribe or nation, is already on the wrong path. Conversely, any group that espouses a "master race" ideology can be dismissed on these simple, core truths of doctrine, inherent and defining of a follower of Christ:

Any sanctification of a people by the hand of God will simultaneously be without any shred of worthiness on the part of the sanctified but by grace alone. The first pitfall of many seekers of prophecy is to presume Israel, through works, has somehow manifested his greatness by holiness. This is contrary to the entire gospel, and is the identifying characteristic of the spirit of anti-Christ described by both Paul and John.

Secondly, as is often the case with men, we perceive this being sanctified or set apart for a special purpose by God to be a boon or benefit to said people. This does not reflect the pattern of leadership that is shown throughout scripture, being perfectly embodied within Christ. Instead, we are tempted to envision a fleshly form of leadership, embodied increasingly by the kings and rulers of the nations of men...a leadership of pride, egotism, and self-service. No, Christ, by both teaching and deed, defined authority to be in direct proportion to willingness to serve and sacrifice.

Those who wish to proclaim themselves as Israel would do well to ask themselves, are they willing to be the willing, humble, joyful servitor race to a world that will surely condemn them as they did Christ?

As I consider the subject of Israel's identity, weighing the evidence and claims of races, groups, and extremes...I recognize that this pursuit MUST NOT, be taken from a position of bias. As in our walk with Christ, there is no salvation without absolute surrender to His will...even if worldly standards would define it as "unfair".

Quoting: Ephraim Rackham 12383447

Thank you brother for tellinbg the truth. I also want to say thought that while the two royal commandments are the key we must also tell the truth in all things especially when we are the ones lied to and lied on! We have to bring this truth hard.

Isaiah 58:1 KJVA

Cry aloud, spare not, liftup thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

We can argue this truth on forums all day till midgets are hanging on our eyelids but we israelites must preach the truth to each other since we are the ones lost! Why are we lost. We fell from the Covenant, Law, and blessing of the Most High Ahayah! We have been scattered throughout the earth as captives, and have discontinued from our heritage. We fell far, and very hard and we must come back hard and return to our Father, Ahayah! I just don't want to hear love being preached all day long like in the christian church. that does not prepare us for Christ's coming. Where is the repentance, the circumcision of heart, the obedience to His LAWS! If you love Ahayah, you will keep His Laws. We must be ready for Christ's coming!

I am sorry that you feel the way you do, enough to hijack someone elses heritage as such. I saw someone qote Lamentations : 4: 8 as proof which states " 8 Now their appearance is blacker then soot; T go unrecognized in the streets; Their skin clings to their bones, It has become as dry as wood." Another example of Scripture taken out of context. When reading a verse from the Bible it is wise to read the book completely that contains that verse. But luckily we only have to go back one verse, in reality it reads like this.: Lamentations: 4: 7-8 Her Nazirites were brighter than snow And whiter than milk; They were more ruddy in body than rubies, like sapphire in their appearance. 7 Now their appearance is blacker than soot; They go unrecognized in the streets; their skin clings to their bones, It has become as dry as wood. I see no evidence of the jewish people being Negros. I see God passing judgment on Israel.Then I saw someone use Lamentations: 5: 10 and they changed one word in the sentence to fit their agenda. They changed HOT to BLACK 10 Our skin is BLACK as an oven, <--FALSE!!!! It actually readsas such.10 Our skin is HOT as an oven, Because of the fever of famine. How would black fit in that sentence, I think the way it actually reads makes more sense.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20884640

hijack? Really?

Lamentations 4

1How is the gold become dim ! how is the most fine gold changed ! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.2The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter !3Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness.4The tongue of the sucking childcleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children askbread, and no man breaketh it unto them.5They that did feeddelicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embracedunghills.6For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.7Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:8Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered , it is become like a stick.

The descriptions of the Israelites here is all figurative. How can the be pure not white as you say.., ruddy like rubies, and blue like sapphires? This is completely poetic. The real issue here is punishment and the figurative descriptions are used to exacerbate the shock value of their punishment. Yes the Israelites are and aways have been black. Lamentations is a not the scripture to use though. I'll bet you didn't know that jewish people were the ones financing the transatlantic slave trade, owned the slave ships, and plantations though, did you?

And farther more if the Egyptians were Negro and the Israelites too. Then you kept your own people in slavery for 400 years! WTH! That would also mean you were one of the first civilization to practice slavery on your own people. If Egyptians and Israelis were Negros. And if that were the case wouldn't it have made more sense for Moses to tell Pharaoh "Let OUR people go!" Instead of "Let MY people go!" The Egyptians felt they were better than the Israelites, I am willing to bet it was due to a difference in race.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20884640

This will help you understand who Negroes and who egyptians are. Egytians descend from Ham and negroes come from Shem. If you read the zondervan bible dictionary, you will see under Ham: Youngest son of Noah, father of the dark races, NOT THE NEGROES, but the egyptians, libyans, ethiopians, and canaanites. We know the Japheth fathered the so-called asians, or really the "lighter" races. He isn't the father of Negroes. So where does that leave Negroes? You can answer that for yourself. I think it is important for you to know that all people were people of color on the earth, even the children of japhet. Caucasians are the children of Esau who have intermingled with almost everyone of the aforementioned on the planet. So the caucasians today and a lot of the asians are the result of this intermingling. i don't know if you are a christian or not but the doctrine in christianity today states that negroes are descended of Ham and the slavery and poverty we suffer is the result of the curse that Noah placed on Ham. (The curse was actually placed on his son Canaan to be a servant to his two uncles, Shem and Japhet.) Deuteronomy 28 foretells the curses that befell the Negroes who are the Hebrews. Even Luke 21:20-24. I have given you some good pointers so far but I also think it would help if you understood where our modern understanding of race comes from. Johann Blumenbach developed the plaform for racial designations we use today, which is woefully oversimplified. You didn't even know that egyptians and black people were different. Because racial designation is determined by appearance rather than nation or origin people have a total misunderstanding of who they are! Even us Negroes. The racial system used today is a product of the Eugenics mmovement which was used to promote White superiority over other "races". This movement is still in ful swing today. It is not the hooded hillbillie variety but the suit-and-tie variety that sits in government, science, academia, corporations, entertainment media, news media, and religios institutions. Im done overloading you.. I hope you get edified by this bro.