Vital organs failing? He doesn't have long. How will he be remembered? For the Cleveland Browns debacle or for bringing football back to Baltimore?

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I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.

Here are the most relevant details (with the key parts in bold), from Wikipedia:

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In 1973, then-Browns owner Art Modell signed a 25-year lease to operate Cleveland Stadium. Modell's newly-formed company, Stadium Corporation, assumed the expenses of operations from the city, freeing up tax dollars for other purposes. Also, Modell would pay an annual rent of $150,000 for the first five years and $200,000 afterwards to the city. In exchange, Modell would receive all revenue generated by the stadium. Stadium Corp invested in improvements, including new electronic scoreboards and luxury suites. Renting the suites and the scoreboard advertising generated substantial revenue for Stadium Corp and Modell.

However, Modell refused to share the suite revenue with the Cleveland Indians Major League Baseball team (which also played at Cleveland Stadium), even though much of the revenues were generated during baseball games as well as football games.

Eventually, the Indians prevailed upon the local governments and voters and convinced them to build them their own facility where they controlled the suite revenue. Modell, mistakenly believing that his revenues were not endangered, refused to participate in the Gateway Project that built Jacobs Field for the Indians and Gund Arena for the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers. Modell's assumptions proved incorrect, and Stadium Corp's suite revenues declined sharply when the Indians moved from the stadium to Jacobs Field in 1994.

After Modell realized how much revenue he lost from the Indians moving out of Cleveland Stadium, he requested an issue be placed on the ballot to provide $175 million in tax dollars to refurbish the outmoded and declining Cleveland Stadium.

On the field, the Browns, coached by Bill Belichick, were coming off a playoff season in which the team finished 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the playoffs entering the 1995 season. Sports Illustrated even selected the Browns to represent the AFC in Super Bowl XXX at the end of the season. However, the team disappointed many fans by losing three straight games after starting the season 3-1.

On November 6, 1995, with the team sitting at 4-5, Modell announced in a press conference at Camden Yards that he had signed a deal to relocate the Browns to Baltimore, Maryland in 1996 – a move which would return the NFL to Baltimore for the first time since the Baltimore Colts relocated to Indianapolis, Indiana after the 1983 season. The reason Modell chose to relocate to Baltimore was because he felt the city had the funding to build a first-class stadium.The very next day, on November 7, Cleveland voters overwhelmingly approved the aforementioned tax issue to remodel Cleveland Stadium.

The reaction in Cleveland was, not surprisingly, very hostile. Modell had promised numerous times never to move the team. The Brooklyn native mentioned numerous times how saddened and betrayed he and other Brooklynites had felt when the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles in 1957. He had also publicly criticized the Baltimore Colts' move to Indianapolis, and he had testified in favor of the NFL in court cases where the league unsuccessfully tried to stop Al Davis from moving the Oakland Raiders from Oakland to Los Angeles.

Yeah, I can't say I'm sad over this dude dropping. I'm not saying I want him dead but I'm not gonna be heartbroken and saddened that we lost a pioneer of the game or anything remotely close to that. Those are some real chicken**** actions on his part.

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I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.

I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.

I've always figured that the hatred is justified just based on the facts that he moved the team after decades of swearing he wouldn't; then he fired Belichick, drafted Ogden and Lewis, and immediately became one of the best teams of the next fifteen years. I mean, just imagine the Cleveland Browns with Ray Lewis and Bill Belichick.

Still, you hate to hear about anybody reaching the end of the line, like he apparently is.

I'm so awesome I grew up in New York where everyone is so ******* cool and everyone has a job and the city is just so much better than anything I've ever experienced. Where the night life is a rager even on Tuesday nights and the beer flows like Capistrano.

I'm so awesome I grew up in New York where everyone is so ******* cool and everyone has a job and the city is just so much better than anything I've ever experienced. Where the night life is a rager even on Tuesday nights and the beer flows like Capistrano.

Then why are you a browns fan? I grew up in Berlin and Chicago, and was smart enough not become a browns fan, how come you ended up a Browns fan growing up an equally awesome city?

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JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

Then why are you a browns fan? I grew up in Berlin and Chicago, and was smart enough not become a browns fan, how come you ended up a Browns fan growing up an equally awesome city?

I have more respect for a life long Browns fan than just about anyone else. The team not doing well for the past 25 years only strengthens my appreciation of them. Being a fan isn't just about your team winning.

I have more respect for a life long Browns fan than just about anyone else. The team not doing well for the past 25 years only strengthens my appreciation of them. Being a fan isn't just about your team winning.

Dude I'm a knicks fan, no need to tell me about sticking through the "tough times" with your team, but at some point you're only doing it because you're a masochist, and that's the point Browns fans and anyone who lives in cleveland is at.

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Originally Posted by AcheTen

JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

Dude I'm a knicks fan, no need to tell me about sticking through the "tough times" with your team, but at some point you're only doing it because you're a masochist, and that's the point Browns fans and anyone who lives in cleveland is at.

You went through like ten rough years, don't act like the Knicks have the worst team of all time or something. I just don't see the reason to continually insult Browns fans when all they are doing is rooting for their squad, it's not like they are the ones making the personnel decisions.

This rage is maybe not directed solely towards you. It's just how I've come to feel over the years whenever I hear a person insult a fan of a bad team, and then when you ask what that person likes, it's the Yankees, Patriots, and Heat.

You went through like ten rough years, don't act like the Knicks have the worst team of all time or something. I just don't see the reason to continually insult Browns fans when all they are doing is rooting for their squad, it's not like they are the ones making the personnel decisions.

This rage is maybe not directed solely towards you. It's just how I've come to feel over the years whenever I hear a person insult a fan of a bad team, and then when you ask what that person likes, it's the Yankees, Patriots, and Heat.

The Browns were in the playoffs before their move in the mid 90's, that's 15 years ago, not that much less than Knicks stretch between the ewing trade the melo trade. Plus my favorite team in any sport, 1 FC Union Berlin, still hasn't made it up to the top division since re-unification way back in 1989. I have a soft spot for the Bills and Rams, and really just mega-loathe the city of cleveland

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JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.