Nope, more like "that's all the clicking I'm going to invest in this piece of junk, time to get the box of matches".

In its defence, I picked up the lighter at a grocery store one very cold day when my car door lock was frozen and I needed something more effective than cursing to heat up the car key and let me get back inside, and it *did* let me get back in the car.

John through experience I've found that keeping a Bic pocket lighter on hand specifically for lighting the BBQ lighter keeps the BBQ lighter from finding itself on the bottom of the pool and lights on the very first click.

If you think 'Click. Click. Click. Click. ^%#@^%#@%&!!!' is bad, try lighting one after it's been on the bottom of the swimming pool.

Great information all and I appreciate it. I had some misinformation on DSP technology mostly from a stereotype due to really poor DSP performance in lower end HT receivers that came out 5-10 years ago. I had always thought DSP made things sound horrible and fake.

I realize that good technology/software and research can make a product more consistent with what the designer had in mind. After being in the market for HT equipment for going on one year now I feel that SVS is moving in the right direction and I hope they are truly putting in a quality product. I would recommend, SVS HSU Axiom Outlaw and many other "internet" companies as they have built a solid reputation among the communities.

Unfortunately for me Axiom subs may be ten times better than a SVS but at the moment they are simply out of my price range. For now the PB12-NSD will have to do.