The CDL is an abomination on the little guy the lawmakers don't begin to understand. They can't imagine anyone would want to haul their own stuff from one of their own properties to another, or haul any product for their own use. I could have legally hauled all my stuff on a trailer behind an undersized pickup and, although been dangerous, would have been perfectly legal. The problem was my big truck had air brakes that could STOP it. (license and insurance was also a killer)

The truck is gone now, and I'm no longer at risk that these morons would send me to jail.

If I could run at all, I'd run as fast as I could from that truck deal!

Here's an irony... I have hauled a lot of tractors to shows legally behind a 34' motorhome with no problem. (current motorhome is only 29') The trailer usually has two tractors on it. My current motorhome can also haul a Cub inside in addition, but usually hauls a golf cart.

you are 100% right about the cdl. when i decided for the ten thousandth time to get off the road i had a great chance to pick up the cash i needed spotting trailers from one building to another less than a mile away, and the job was right up the road.

the company had only six road drivers, and trailer spotting was a hit and miss task performed by the road drivers when they got back from a run. a practice that delayed loading trailers greatly.

to bring a long story to a quick end.....the companies insurance demanded that since they had more than six drivers they [the company] would have to have one of them, at random, take a drug test every week. i took the pre-hire test, one of the other guys had to take the test the first week i was there. my name got pulled the second, third and forth weeks. it was an honest draw. i even picked my own name once. the cost of each test was $75.00 performed by the local emergency room. the company picked up the cost. george, i have never in my entire lifetime spent that much time in a doctors office, let alone a hospital. now, rather than for an illness or injury i was required to muster up to a medical facility to prove my innocence of engaging in an illegal, stupid practice. i didn't need the money that badly.

this sort of thing is constitutionally prohibited from occuring, forced by the government. instead, insurance is required by law and whatever the insurance company demands is just fine.

under the guise of security concerns this kind of activity is growing. as i understand it, spectators attending pro football games are now frisked before being allowed into the stadium. since the pat down is being done by who knows who it is not a constitutional issue unless the govt. is picking up the tab. the football fans did not back me when i protested proving my innocence over and over again. i don't see fans of other sports standing with football fans to protest the searches. will the basketball fans be next. then race fans at daytona in feb? how long will it be until you have to show your papers to go into the mall? on my last trip to alaska it took eight airplanes for the round trip. i was frisked, wanded, or patted down before being allowed on seven of the eight flights. the most rediculis was in anchorage. while the guy ran his bad guy detector over under and around me, we discussed a mutual friend living in nome. he had no idea jano kralik had a wife and new baby. it was the computer at the flight desk that had singled me out as a potential risk.

both major political parties seem to be in a race to see who can rid us of our freedoms and liberties the quickest.

both major political parties seem to be in a race to see who can spend the country into foreign ownership.

both major political parties seem to forget that socialism has been proven to be the downfall of many other governments. you and i [and many others on this board] are in the age group aimed at for one of the most recent pushes in that direction. when did it become big dogs responsibility to buy my prescription drugs? it was under the conservitive[?] administration now in office.

at this time i would like to appoligize to all of you that hung with my rantings. when i remember what our republic was like when we asked not what my country can do for me, and turned to the "great society" where all must have instant gratification at someone elses expence and individual short comings or failures are someone elses fault i too get a "heavy heart." unfortunatlly for you i got into my uphold and defend the constitution mode. lets pray [while it is still permitted] that a younger generation finds and reads one of the greatest documents ever written, the constitution of the United States of America.

I agree phantom, this world is going down rather fast.
I also just thought that my Dad said that when I get out of high school/college, that we would start a constructin buisness, so the Brockway would make a good dump truck/towing truck for trailers.

As a class A, haz mat , tanker driver 25 years now all I can say is thank you, thank you , thank you, to the powers that be for creating the random drug testing........ The term "Stupid truck driver" is harder to use these days with the regs being enforced ........ The dopers and alcoholics are finding it real hard to get a job driving a truck, most don't get past the employment screening and thats a very good thing for all of us on the road, it was easier for them back in the 80's.........

jostev wrote:As it turns out, I think that we are going to get it, almost positive.

Also we are seriously thinkging of putting a Port-a-Potty on it to catogorize it as a camper, which you need no CDL for!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all of the input, will update after this week, will get some pics of it!!!

It will he a major job to eliminate the air brakes so you don't need a CDL... camper or not. I did build a camper years ago and had it certified by the highway patrol as a motorhome and listing me as the OEM. It could legally haul only those things incidental to camping.