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Well, I was asked for supporting evidence, so I got stuff from different sources. DISCRETE sources if you will And I am greeted by crickets in the topic today. Warms the heart with the glow of righteousness

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

So, basically, your counter-argument is not to provide ANY defense for it (and btw to add "pro" is a cop-out, the term should fetch the needed results on its own if they existed), but to point out that some of my sources are impartial and others attack the "acting" part? I am sorry, friend, but the glow is intensifying, and has begun throbbing...

Because this proves two things:
1. That even impartial sources point out clearly that there is an overall negative connotation of the term (which they do usually in the very first paragraph).
2. That when most people hear "straight-acting", they think of pretense and that's why the term is negative, whether the minority uses it in some other way or not.

Now, you can tell me "not everyone thinks it means that" and give me the "some people" wiki quote, but in the end, it's like trying to argue with me that "gay" means "happy". Sure it does. But that's not what 99% of people with access to mainstream culture will hear when they hear the word. And unless you have ANY credible sources to defend the term "straight-acting", so far it seems it is in the same camp - a largely offensive term that SOME people (mostly - though not exclusively! - closet cases and those who aren't yet fully ok with their sexuality) choose to use as a positive thing.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

In the end, if I keep calling you a "filthy faggot" and when you get offended, I keep pointing out that to ME that's a really sweet complement, which of us is having a communication problem? And to "queer" things up, if I think that being called "cute" is the biggest insult in the world, whose problem is that?

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Queer is being used to describe ALL gay people, regardless of it being unnecessary. Gay will do fine thx. I'm not odd or strange, i hate the word and its history. Whoever decided to adopt the term queer, are likely those that think it aptly describes them. It does not describe me. When broadening the scope of 'queer' LGBT works fine. Its got to the point that in order to include its usage, its expanded to include those with unusual sex lives. Its pathetic. The queer community seems to exist for no other reason than to spite the heteronormative one. Straight-acting however, is SELF-descriptive. Its not a potentially offensive label imposition.

Please.

Of course "straight acting" is SELF-descriptive it's also SELF-deluded. I've never met a "straight acting" guy who didn't run around telling himself that being thus SELF-descriptive was some kind of fucking honor. I know I sure did, I thought I was god's gift to gay men everywhere because I wasn't a limp wristed little faggot who liked glittery shoes. That is homophobia, this kind of sentiment is incredibly common in gay life because of the number one thing 'phobes say we must hate ourselves over - effeminacy.

Everything you are trying to push is pretty much just flaming hoops you are leaping through in order to justify that stupid 'phobic label.

What it comes down to is that you are choosing to disassociate yourself from the "sterotypically" gay (read abnormally effeminate) because somewhere in your head you have a problem with it - save your dudgeon, you are so defensive about it, there is nothing you can possibly say that will convince otherwise, and I RECOGNIZE the syndrome.

Mitch, will you address the overabundance of data that suggests that the cult of the straight man in gay culture leads to more divisiveness and ostracizing members of the community for their femininity? Fine, YOU don't mean it offensively. Great for YOU. This only brings me to my example of calling you a filthy faggot and claiming I don't mean it offensively. I provided you with links. You gave me nothing but "yeah, those aren't good enough because I don't agree with them"...

My problem right now is that I am getting a mental image of you using a term you never really thought much about. You didn't consciously put negative connotation in it, and suddenly people all around are telling you it's actually offensive. So you're naturally surprised, and maybe feel somewhat attacked. My question is this - why is your reaction to lead an absurd argument where you can present no proof of anything you say, other than to disagree with the other side's proof, instead of just saying "jeez, well maybe I just hadn't thought of it that way". Agreeing the term is harmful to the gay community doesn't make you complicit in its use, it only makes you more aware.

Words matter. And I believe when we are aware of the baggage that certain terms are loaded with, we have a responsibility to not use them, or to avoid offensive context. I used to call things "retarded". I don't anymore. Not because I EVER meant offense to mentally challenged people, but simply because I became aware that it is ALWAYS offensive to them, whether I mean it or not, and because perpetuating the term - even out of earshot of those it could offend - only perpetuates and validates the misconception that it is ok to use it in this way.

Last edited by Rolyo85; November 20th, 2012 at 12:38 PM.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

What is the gay stereotype? Effeminate gay guys? And the gay stereotype is false? The gay community consists of many different kinds of people... not all the same.

And the only reason to call oneself "straight" in any respect is because somewhere in one's mind, one buys into that effeminate=wrong, and gay=effeminate.

I have no problem being associated with effeminate guys Some of them are gay I'm gay who gives flying fuck.

I feel absolutely no need to "inform" ANYONE that I'm really just like a straight guy, if they know me they know me and there is NO need to introduce distinctions built around effeminacy - and if they assume that, great, I don't care.

It's fucking bullshit. The only person a "straight acting" gay guy is fooling is himself.

Back to topic. I remember how I felt in 2000 when the election was so disputed. I was disappointed once the final outcome was determined, but my goodness, harming myself or someone who didn't share my beliefs? Never crossed my mind.

I remember hearing about people who were going to move out of the USA; I wonder if any actually did? That aways made me laugh out loud when someone would say that. Never took them serious.

I did read about a week ago a long story in the Washington Post about a Romney/Ryan campaign supporter in Tennessee. I almost felt sorry for her, until I read some of her actual quotes. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my...

Then, following Obama’s win and Rove’s very public outburst, a group calling themselves “The Protectors,” believed to be comprised of Anonymous hackers, sent a letter to election transparency non-profit, Velvet Revolution, claiming to have thwarted attempts by GOP strategists to flip votes and rig the election in three swing states.

This shit is straight out of a b-rated movie... Still the republicans do appear honest acting.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

I've figured out why this thread took this turn: people think that Romney was straight-acting, when in fact he's a soulless boob. He lost the election because he was straight-ACTING, but the boob showed through. If he'd just been his real self--

Okay, that's where it breaks down; if Romney had been his real self, it would have been nauseating. I guess we can be glas he was straight-acting.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Didnt you hear RB the ORCA republican program has a bunch of bugs and failures... i am sure that is what has taken many of the obtuse opinions from our boards courtesy of the maids from anonymous, IF that is you believe anonymous....

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

I'm grumpy...no 2nd Turkey this year....we always have two thxgvgs...but no time this year....have to wait for Christmas now.

And Centex...srsly...I'm just hoping that Jayqueer didn't sink into such a vast chasm of existential despair that he ended up having to re-invent himself. If you know what I mean.

All the others are accounted for so far...even Mr. Reard(e)n.

I'm sure that he's at a Gym in West Hollywood, CA somewhere stuffing himself silly with Chic-A-Filet and blowing straight married Military Guys (to show his support dontcha know) in a back ally of said parking lot, in the same zip code, so I wouldn't worry to much.

There are all kinds of fakes who present themselves here, and the efforts that they'll make to convince you that they're "real."

Everything from "righteous indignation" to actually speaking to or "texting you" on your cellphone.

Oh they're real alright, making up shit about their lives and expecting us to buy it.

What in the world are these people thinking? This is what extremism in politics and political propaganda get you.

The GOP Governors are trying to quell the confused masses, but if the angry mob turns on them, one can only guess how long or who will eventually be killed by the next psycho with an automatic.

This is a powder Keg and it's slowly exploding. People need to get a grip.

Wow this is rediculous. The woman trying to kill her husband because he didn't vote is bad enough. However the gay man who killed himself just because Obama is elected is doubly twisted. He killed himself and left behind his partner and family just because the party he supported (which is overwhelmingly against his sexual orientation) did not get elected. He must have had some serious demons. Though atleast he only killed himself. The woman tried to kill her husband!