NY has a lot of 2nd-3rd line forwards which is something the Leafs don't exactly need (Armstrong,Versteeg,Grabovski,Kulemin,MacArthur). The Leafs need a first line player, something the Rangers have in Gaborik, and he will not be traded.

That may be the case, but the Leafs aren't getting a first line player for Kaberle.

Jesus. People act like Kaberle is holding a gun to Leafs management heads. He's re-iterated time and time again that he wants to remain a leafs until he retires. The only reason there is Kaberle talk is because he is an asset who can garner some value. If the value isn't there you don't trade him. Period.

The leafs should just take what they can get and thank God they got that.

No GM is paying you much for this rental. Kaberlae hasn't played a playoff game in 7 years.

A mid level prospect and second rounder.

Leafs could have got more for him when he still had time on his contract

You don't know a thing about what GMs are offering, and what does not playing in the POs for 7 yrs have to do with anything? All of a sudden he forgets how to play hockey once the POs come because he hasn't played in 7 years? Not likely.

and knowing that Burke could decide to take what he can get at the deadline from the 2 teams that Kaberle may "POSSIBLY" waive for..... and if Sather is one of those GMs .....

2nd round pick

How many teams are there in the East?

Burke isn't a "take what he can get" type of GM with players that have any sort of value in his plan. He likes Kaberle, wants to keep him around/resign him, and will not ever give him away for only a lone 2nd round pick, especially if it's not a top 5 in that 2nd round.

This is funny, and a common consensus with most non-Leaf fans. Fact of the matter is that Kaberle would be an extremely valuable PMD for anycontending team. He certainly would not be of much value to a non-contender, but a team like the Rangers who have offensive stiffs like Eminger, Sauer, and Gilroy (not including Staal or Girardi, who are solid all around), Kaberle would be an amazing complement to either Staal or Girardi's shot on the PP. He would also pair well with on the 2nd unit with someone like Sauer who's defensively responsible.

It's laughable if anyone suggests Kaberle is only worth a 2nd, or a 2nd+ Christensen.

Further, most of this is all moot because Kaberle will very likely only waive if an extension is in place before he waives, otherwise he won't. And I could see it being in the neighbourhood of 5/25m which is good value for the offensive output. This would only dramatically increase his value....

Put Kaberle with a strong offensive team, with a good PP setup, this guy is gold. He has flaws, but he's more sound than people think.

Of this I will not argue. (bolded and enlarged part)

I will argue that the Rangers as currently constructed (inclusive of Kaberle) is not a contending team therefore moving assets for him doesn't make sense for the Rangers at this juncture.

Well, as a matter of fact, Burke, nor any other GM is to be taken at their word. They are business men in it for themselves and their families.

I never said Staal was average.

Solid doesn't mean great, therefore no one said Girardi's offensively skilled, I simply said he and Staal are solid all-around Dmen. Girardi is capable of offering some offense, he's only 26 and is well on pace to beat his career high for points. He's certainly no Kaberle or Letang, or whatever PMD you can name. Same story for Staal. Neither are the type to carry the puck end-to-end and game change from an offensive stand point. But they aren't offensive stiffs like say, Beauchemin or Komisarek.

I consider a 24 or 26yo Dman who can put up 30 points a season while playing the role of a shut-down defenseman a solid all-around defenseman.

Did you read my entire point instead of deeming it "wrong from the outset"?

I said Kaberle doesn't get traded unless it's a sign and trade.

Neither Staal nor Girardi has a shot from the point. That was one of my points. The other was that there will be no sign and trade, so the Leafs aren't getting anything of value for him. That ship sailed before this season started.

NY has a lot of 2nd-3rd line forwards which is something the Leafs don't exactly need (Armstrong,Versteeg,Grabovski,Kulemin,MacArthur). The Leafs need a first line player, something the Rangers have in Gaborik, and he will not be traded.

Yes, but the Leafs won't get a first line player for upcoming UFA Kaberle.

It seems like Leaf fans will be disappointed any way it plays out. They either lose him, undoubtedly, for let's say a 2nd round pick and or a prospect. Or they lose him for nothing when he becomes an UFA.

I will argue that the Rangers as currently constructed (inclusive of Kaberle) is not a contending team therefore moving assets for him doesn't make sense for the Rangers at this juncture.

Dude, as a Leaf fan, I'd love to have your team and mine fully switch rosters- and the standings positions that go with it. Your Rangers are 7th in the East, 10 pts clear of 10th, 5 of 9th, and a slew of good young players/prospects that at least equal what the Leafs have. Oh, and one of the best goalies in the world on a good contract. The Rangers are contenders and you guys could definitely use Kaberle as such.

Absolutely not, we all wish that were so. There was a period in the offseason if the Leafs missed the playoffs, from Entry Draft 12AM until Aug. 15th for the Leafs to move him to a list of 10 teams of Kabs' choosing. But after Aug 15, that NTC would be placed back in effect, full board.

incorrect.

During the offseason, if the Leafs missed the playoffs in the prior season, he could be moved to ANY team between the dates you mentioned.

During the season, if the Leafs want to deal Kaberle, they can ask him for a list of 10 teams he'd be willing to be traded to. Burke's first season, Kaberle gave him the list.

It's not a conventional "he'll walk on July 1st" UFA type deal. Kabs won't waive his NTC unless it's to a team he feels he can agree on an extension with.

Also, Burke will not trade him for a 2nd+prospect(s). He had a few "futures packages" offered this summer and refused to budge on his demand for skilled roster player(s) in return. He's probably more of a "stick to my guns" GM than anyone else. HE WILL NOT TAKE PICK(S)+PROSPECT(S).

Where on earth are some of you guys getting this idea that the Leafs should take the scraps you are offering for Kaberle or else we will lose him as a UFA? The man has said time and time again that he wants to remain a Toronto Maple Leaf. He has nixxed a trade that would have returned Jeff Carter and a 1st (1000x better than anything being offered in here) and who knows if any others.

Fact of the matter is Tomas Kaberle is one of the premier PMD in the league. Regardless if some of the Leaf haters are willing to admit it or not, his stats back it up. Him and Schenn have combined for an outstanding duo for the Leafs this year. The only reason he is constantly rumored to being on the move is because he is a Toronto Maple Leaf. I would much rather hold onto Kaberle and take my chances on him resigning (and he has given every indication he wants to do so) than ship him out for scraps.