Life saber or Vapexhale Cloud. Bong vaping

So this is my first post to FC and I'm looking forward to talking with a bunch of people who love the ins and outs of smoking technology like I do.

That being said I recently bought myself a digital volcano around Christmas time as I was trying to get out of smoking cigarettes and dutchmasters. Now don't get me wrong, I love bags, I love the party aspect of them, the lightness of the vapor, and the ability to fill a few bags and sip on them while I'm playing xbox.

Soon after my volcano I picked up a Stone Glass works waffle v1, absolutely beautiful little 13" piece of glass and the smooth to boot, not to mention it stacks bubbles like crazy with my nice 5-6" showerhead AC.

I first came to the world of vapor with the MFLB, but was very disappointed to find that I could only get a very dull buzz, and I'm the type of person who likes that stupid hard hitting high. I felt like the reviews on it I was reading were from old smokers or people with very low tolerances.

Now for the vaporizers, I've done a lot of research on the cloud, and hear great things about it, but is the $450 price tag worth it when I can get a custom colored 2013 life saber for $230. Both machines have the ability to be used with a waterpipe or dry with a mouthpiece. The life saber offers the freezable glycerin vapor tamers which look interesting but I dont know how necessary they will be as my bong has two percs and ice notches.

What is the difference between the two as far as thickness of hits go? I want something that is going to give me thick vapor, not combusting a little isnt the biggest deal to me, Im not using it a vape because I have any medical problems.

Which is more efficient in extraction?

Can the Life saber sit in the slide without being held? maybe with a fitting to hold the bong down or mounted to? or even a DIY holder for it with just some vice grips attatched to a metal stand. My slide is 90 degrees. the cloud seems much to large to do so.

The cloud seems to have a big attracted towards it but is it worth me investing double the money? I do not mind doing so as I kinda wanted to get the best anyway just so im not tempted to get another.

Cloud Perks:
Perpetual heating system
easy load bowls
comes stock fitted for 19mm slides
can stack hydratubes (but I feel I have no need for one)

Lifesaber perks:
More customizable (whips,tamers,custom mouthpieces,custom heat dials, colors)
Newest design( wont likely change soon, cloud is probably coming up for some kind of V2 or redesign.
Portable
covered in a metal casing
I think all glass but I am not sure.
very long cord (10ft)

Any other reccommendations are welcome, but keep in mind this is mostly for vapor utilization with a bong.

Right well, with the LSV it won't retain heat as well as the cloud because the heating element is nowhere near as big. It also happens to be in the air pathway whereas the cloud is essentially a glass tube with a heater wrapped around the outside of it. The cloud also maintains the temperature so the second you start pulling on it and bringing in cold air it start re-heating to compensate. As a result you can crank on it as hard as you like and it still puts out deliciously dense vapor. (Or so I'm led to believe, I've never hit one but as soon as those international sales come up I'm getting one).
To get best results with an LSV your better to maintain a constant draw speed. Also I don't really consider the LSV more portable than the cloud because you still need to plug it in, a cloud can also be used one handed.
You have a very nice dillema on your hands.

Right well, with the LSV it won't retain heat as well as the cloud because the heating element is nowhere near as big. It also happens to be in the air pathway whereas the cloud is essentially a glass tube with a heater wrapped around the outside of it. The cloud also maintains the temperature so the second you start pulling on it and bringing in cold air it start re-heating to compensate. As a result you can crank on it as hard as you like and it still puts out deliciously dense vapor. (Or so I'm led to believe, I've never hit one but as soon as those international sales come up I'm getting one).To get best results with an LSV your better to maintain a constant draw speed. Also I don't really consider the LSV more portable than the cloud because you still need to plug it in, a cloud can also be used one handed.
You have a very nice dillema on your hands.

so basically with the cloud its just put it in and rip it and no matter how hard I pull the heating is consistent? So is it worth shelling out the extra $230 in the long run? or will I still stay satisfied with an LSV?

I can always wait until the cloud is shipping for $400 again, if that every happens -_-

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I have both and you will be very happy with either one. I usually tell people that if they have a water tool already that they like, get the LSV and save the money. But since I got my production Cloud a little over a week ago (I used a beta version for a little more than a year), I see more differences between the two units. The Cloud is my unit of choice and the LSV is my very capable backup. I think that if $200 is a lot of money to you, then get the LSV. But if that is not much to you, the Cloud is worth it. On this forum most people who have both agree that the Cloud tastes a little better. There are a few who prefer the LSV, so it is personal preferene. Here are the differences as I see them:

--LSV is half the price
--LSV might be a little more durable, and it is definitely cheaper to fix
--LSV is a 7th Floor product, and they have pretty much perfected this design
--For me, the Cloud tastes better. The LSV tastes good, but the Cloud produces a cleaner taste, if that makes sense. I can detect subtle taste differences in the Cloud that I can't in the LSV
--They are both very satisfying heavy hitters, but I think the Cloud hits a little bit harder
--When hit with the dry stems, the LSV is harsh for me whereas the Cloud is soothing
--The Cloud cooks the load evenly whereas the LSV has hot spots and requires some stirring
--The Cloud can sit on top of my Ion bubbler, whereas the LSV must be held in place
--I can hit the Cloud as hard as I want, whereas the LSV requires a constant, steady draw that is not at full force

I have both and you will be very happy with either one. I usually tell people that if they have a water tool already that they like, get the LSV and save the money. But since I got my production Cloud a little over a week ago (I used a beta version for a little more than a year), I see more differences between the two units. The Cloud is my unit of choice and the LSV is my very capable backup. I think that if $200 is a lot of money to you, then get the LSV. But if that is not much to you, the Cloud is worth it. On this forum most people who have both agree that the Cloud tastes a little better. There are a few who prefer the LSV, so it is personal preferene. Here are the differences as I see them:

--LSV is half the price
--LSV might be a little more durable, and it is definitely cheaper to fix
--LSV is a 7th Floor product, and they have pretty much perfected this design
--For me, the Cloud tastes better. The LSV tastes good, but the Cloud produces a cleaner taste, if that makes sense. I can detect subtle taste differences in the Cloud that I can't in the LSV
--They are both very satisfying heavy hitters, but I think the Cloud hits a little bit harder
--When hit with the dry stems, the LSV is harsh for me whereas the Cloud is soothing
--The Cloud cooks the load evenly whereas the LSV has hot spots and requires some stirring
--The Cloud can sit on top of my Ion bubbler, whereas the LSV must be held in place
--I can hit the Cloud as hard as I want, whereas the LSV requires a constant, steady draw that is not at full force

I gotta go...will check in later...good luck!

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Thank you for your reply. Right now the $200 is kinda like whatever, its my side spending project, I'm contemplating just putting it on a card and paying off half off it and doing the rest when I can. I am worried when you say that the cloud will be expensive to fix. I don't want to shell out 400+ and get something that is going to burn out in a year or two.

Do you feel the cloud is lighter/more equally weight distrubuted? I worry it is too large to fit next to my fixed stem waffle.

I'm almost sold on your take on the hit quality alone, and if I payed the money I'd like to be able to comfortably hit it both ways. I can use whatever 19mm mouthpiece I can find correct for hitting it dry?

Agh still tempted for the LSV but I feel like the cloud would be better for my girlfriend and anyone else who hit it just because there is less of a learning curve.

One more thing I often forget about the cloud which is actually one of its best features IMO is that the glass tube that runs through it is slightly rippled (I think its rippled, its not straight anyway) which causes an increase (decrease?) in pressure. The end result of this is that the THC and cannabinoids in your herb will vaporize at a lower than normal temperature. Meaning you don't need to crank it up so high to get those high temp CBD.

One more thing I often forget about the cloud which is actually one of its best features IMO is that the glass tube that runs through it is slightly rippled (I think its rippled, its not straight anyway) which causes an increase (decrease?) in pressure. The end result of this is that the THC and cannabinoids in your herb will vaporize at a lower than normal temperature. Meaning you don't need to crank it up so high to get those high temp CBD.

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Im drooling over the cloud, but mind you I have a $600 bag vape and $400 glass piece. I'm not sure if the extra $400 investment is ethical lol

Im drooling over the cloud, but mind you I have a $600 bag vape and $400 glass piece. I'm not sure if the extra $400 investment is ethical lol

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The only thing that holds me back on the cloud is that in the last cpl months it seems like a LOT of forum members had problems imo. Granted this is where people air this stuff out and what not but even VXH has said they have had phenomally bad luck with units to forum members. I personally would throw down the money for a cloud if i could live with fhe chance that a 500 dollar invesment being good for only about a yr. Unfortunately i dont have that kind of disposable income so while i have been drooling over the cloud for over a yr and a half. I will probably get an HI or UD and wait for VXC 2.0

Its REALLY hard though when i see some of the vxc videos. The vapor production is something even my ssv could learn from lol

I own both units as well and have not used the LSV since I got it which was about a month ago. The LSV is a good well made unit and might outlive Clouds, who knows. However, the Cloud has amazing extraction and I dont find myself bowl after bowl unsatisfied with my medication. Also, in my opinion the Cloud takes up less space then the LSV, standing up on its own and in 90 degree joints. I believe the Cloud will satisfy all your needs coming from a smoker. I used to only combust, now I rarely do, I switched over to vaping thanks to this community and it seemed like the optimal method of medicating, less herb and healthier. However I always wanted that fast instant medicated feeling from just a couple of puffs which seemed a bit difficult with vaporizing since the production of vapor is less compared to smoke.

With the Cloud I feel like my search of vaporizers is at a break, except for a portable hehe. My only few gripes about the unit would be the size(I would always like smaller, shorter), the power cord gets in the way at times and in my opinion seems like a vital weak spot of the unit. Last but not least, the glass 18mm sticking seems so fragile, I dont mean its not quality because it is, but it has a higher chance of breaking. I treat my Cloud like any other of my glass pieces, as opposed to my LSV which I have dropped once or twice and still looks and functions like new. All in all I love my Cloud and prefer it over all, hope this helps mate.

The LSV is not the newer design. It's just taking the old SSV design and element and converting it to wand type use. It does make for a very reliable, 'tried and true' unit though. And it's not 'all glass' by any means. You've got a ceramic heater directly in the mix. As long as you factor in your draw speed, the LSV will do just fine. The Cloud has no learning curve and an all glass vapor path exept for the ss bowl, so it's a big step up, performance wise, but there's a lot to be said for a reliable, time tested design as well as a cheaper price.

IMO, the only flaw of the Cloud at the moment is the price tag coupled with a 1yr warranty. (also i'm from Europe but that is another matter.)

If you are confortable with the possibility of in a years time, the Cloud falls or some other accident and you need to spend another 450$, i say go for it. Other than that, the reviews are pretty much unanimous on the superiority of the Cloud compared to the other vaporizers in the market.

I can always wait until the cloud is shipping for $400 again, if that every happens -_-

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It is happening. VaporStore.com is selling the Cloud with glass mouthpiece for $450 now, and they offer a FC discount code of 15% off using "fuckcombustion"
I ordered mine on Monday and it arrived around noon today, $382.46 shipped. Now my Arizer V-Tower will serve as backup home vape.

Not only can the glass inside the VXC be repaired now, but fairly certain that your warranty remains intact afterwards. Before it would just get "deleted' right then and there.

With my personal example:
While my broken cloud will cost over $100 to fix the glass, it will reinstate the 1yr warranty from the purchase date. Now, if you have a newly produced cloud and the glass breaks from negligence, it is possible that there isn't a cost to the repair because it was put together differently.

It is happening. VaporStore.com is selling the Cloud with glass mouthpiece for $450 now, and they offer a FC discount code of 15% off using "fuckcombustion"
I ordered mine on Monday and it arrived around noon today, $382.46 shipped. Now my Arizer V-Tower will serve as backup home vape.

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YES fuck my balls im so happy. I want to cry. $150 isn't shit when it comes to having the best. Thank you so much everyone I am definitely ordering it as soon as possible

IMO, the only flaw of the Cloud at the moment is the price tag coupled with a 1yr warranty. (also i'm from Europe but that is another matter.)

If you are confortable with the possibility of in a years time, the Cloud falls or some other accident and you need to spend another 450$, i say go for it. Other than that, the reviews are pretty much unanimous on the superiority of the Cloud compared to the other vaporizers in the market.

The only thing that holds me back on the cloud is that in the last cpl months it seems like a LOT of forum members had problems imo. Granted this is where people air this stuff out and what not but even VXH has said they have had phenomally bad luck with units to forum members. I personally would throw down the money for a cloud if i could live with fhe chance that a 500 dollar invesment being good for only about a yr. Unfortunately i dont have that kind of disposable income so while i have been drooling over the cloud for over a yr and a half. I will probably get an HI or UD and wait for VXC 2.0

Its REALLY hard though when i see some of the vxc videos. The vapor production is something even my ssv could learn from lol

Actually that was not what happened to some users. I can't recall anyone in particular and i understand that this vaporizer, having such a large area in glass is pretty much unrepairable if something breaks.

And even if it is half the Cloud price.. you can still buy 90% of the vaporizers on the market, including the LSV.

It is what it is.. i'm not trying to criticize, my point is only that you need to be confortable with the likely possibility that some accident could happen that is not covered in warranty.
Like with the VHW, where many users have opted for other units that don't need you to pay half the total price of the unit because the cover broke, or 25% because the bowl broke.

I'm not saying the replacement parts are overpriced because i can't know that, but when i'm high i tend to drop stuff. Not always, i am not a clutz.. but often enough to know that would happen somewhere down the line.

If the policy of the makers of these vaporizers was different i would feel more confident in this investment. Right now, i need to climb the work ladder for a bit more time to justify such risk.

Actually that was not what happened to some users. I can't recall anyone in particular and i understand that this vaporizer, having such a large area in glass is pretty much unrepairable if something breaks.

That may be history. They just posted that the glass can now be replaced. Someone else mentioned $100.