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Si saysLOL … well at least it is not “he who controls the mass creates the words”!

Mark de LA saysActually it IS! at least in China & with PC in the US via M$M.

Si saysI was actually thinking of Jabba the Hutt … but okay, I get the M&M stuff.

Mark de LA saysResults for he who lives in a science fiction world may vary.

Seth saysi am not sure what you are saying here. I think everyone must agree that language is an evolving media. As people use it, they change it, just according to their intentions. So if an dictator intends that “Jew” is a dirty disgusting thing, then he will shout that over and over again until those who will listen believe it. That is what i hear when i hear you say, “memes, the M$M, political correctness etc. seem to control what we & others can express about what we are thinking, feeling & doing.”

That is why i say we must use our lanugate to honestly mean what we truly believe. As we do that, then our language will evolve in our intended direction. Otherwise, yes, we will only be able to express the propoganda thoughts that are served to us via those who control the medium of publishing thoughts.

Am i understanding you correctly … or are you making some other distinction or introducing some other assumption or belief?

I don’t understand the connection of this to the other material that you put in your thought. If it was connected, could you enlighten me as to how?

Mark de LA saysPerhaps there is a new thought here that doesn’t coincide with your previously held abstractions about language. The title holds most of the thesis. The etymology discourse supports it. The final statements illustrate some language in the form of memes which show cultural context & my final solution is Art – similar to what I have articulated before in 21441 and elsewhere. I even have a wallaby as to how to start a revolution ( attained while in the warehouse) using art, but it must wait for a good context to unveil it.

Si saysI read the whole thing and believe I understand it all at the level the document was intended, even though I don’t know the deep secrets of the Ming.

Very little here interests me or is part of my story … so I commented on the one thing that does relate to me and my story, Jabba the Hutt (I love Star Wars!) and I couldn’t help but see images of super fat lard butts sitting around writing all the words people use.

I read it, understand what you wrote, and commented on what merges with my world … what else are you wanting than that?

Mark de LA saysnothing out of that!

Seth saysokay, “He who controls the words controls the masses”, rings true. I just went a bit deeper into how that works. i think we discussed this before under propoganda … but i would need to read more in that context to see if we covered it.

Thing is there is no cenrtral control of language … not even M$M. Thank fucking God !!! So we are free to use it or abuse it just as we will ← present company not excluded

As to Art or Music … well art and music is just as succeptable to propoganda as is written speech. I really don’t see that as a solution to any corrupting of language problem.

Si saysSo then, I offend you to the point of you calling what I authentically relate to you graffiti (and worse), simply by being me and trying to find where our stories have common points?

Mark de LA saysI think you are very mistaken. Some of the repressive regimes like China, Iran & a lot of the Middle East, Russia etc – do control the language. Even in this country the regime is trying to throttle various forms of the words global warming & turned opponents into “deniers” & crimes against gays or some other “protected classes” as hate crimes. The Internet is blocked in some cases to facilitate such & now it is being turned over to some kind of UN control. We feel somewhat free in the United States because we have the first and second amendments. The latter supports the former.

Mark de LA saysNope! That’s your spin.

Si saysOkay, then since you won’t provide “your spin”, I’ll just keep happily being who I am.

Si saysSounds exactly like you are advocating for “the 3 laws” and describing some of the very conditions they came about to cure. Seems reasonable to me that the 3 laws could function very well at the national level and simplify all these communication and political correctness things … i.e. word related problems.

Mark de LA saysDo you have even a clue as to how your statement will cause any metamorphosis in the next 1000 years?

But there is no way that any centralized controller can prevent people from using language to truthfully represent their thoughts. At least not yet, not without draconian changes in government. So I believe there is no central control of the language that i use. Not even the dictionary!

Si saysWith the 3 laws I don’t think there would need to be centralized control. Here we are attempting to write them into code in a harmonious way (and succeeding!).

But at the national level it could simply be a measuring stick to use instead of all the other ones like the amendments and political correctness etc.

Seth saysincidentally, writing is an Art. a fine one indeed. so is listening. that is an art too.

Mark de LA saysThat’s kinda negative for a guy that asserts he’s into posititity. Actually I have posted quite a few songs & youtubes. Nice place to collect links to art. Math is actually an art. I can go private & draft & avoid the pain of confusing you folks. Who knows? Right now what I am doing here is using fbi as digital memory. I am hoping that Char Ming EnglishVerseYICHANGEYI TRANSFORMS AND CHANGES -POSITIONS REVERSED. to fbi won’t make that untenable in the near future.

Mark de LA saysre: thought 21455%252358423 – the modern art crowd has pretty much defined anything as an art; thus munging away the basic meaning of the word. I am thinking of it terms of music & video & forms of drama which affect the emotions in a positive way (folks can go in any direction you want or redifine positive as anything) .

Mark de LA saysI dare you folks to walk through the black community ghettos in Baltimore, DC, St. Louis, Harlem, Oakland, Bronx, New Orleans, etc & see how long you last with the words “White Lives Matter” carried on a big sign or maybe tattooed on your forehead. Better still do it at an NAACP or New Black Panther Party meeting.

Seth saysThere is no need or want of centralize control of language whatsoever. I think the three laws can help preserve free speeech on thoughts that flow through thinking dolmans … so would avoiding the fallacies.

Mark de LA saysYou folks are mesmerized by some idea of central control which is not my thingy nor did I mention it except in passing about other countries doing it.

Seth says👍

Seth saysgood, then we are at least in agreement on that.

Si saysI am not talking about control of any kind. The 3 laws are not controls, centralized or otherwise, they are a set of self regulating measuring sticks upon which the validity of content change can be ascertained. No one controls them. They stand on their own, and when used, simplify the process of knowing what to do with information, your own or another’s, and any mix of those, at any level.