Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 11:23:Yeah, I'm done. You're not actually answering anything or providing any reasoning or new information, you're just hurling insults to deflect from your lack of evidence or explanation. This is pretty typical of the other bitcoin fanatics I've encountered. Your argument amounts to "it's worth a lot right now, so it must make complete sense for it to be worth a lot". This ignores a long history of bubbles that have resulted from similar thinking. Good luck with your crusade.

You're an utter coward with no substance to your arguments at all. If you actually had any knowledge about what you claim to, or you were actually participating as you said you are, you'd be able to answer the questions above.

Instead, when you're rightly called on your shit you hide behind the idea that I'm hurling insults (you just got your first one: you're a coward) and you run for cover.

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:I think you're being distracted by the price change in bitcoin as a commodity - which has a same curve as Apple and Amazon over the same time period.

Wait, what? How are you comparing it to stocks now?

Because apparently you can't differentiate between bitcoin as a service and bitcoin as a commodity. Do try to keep up.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:So let's address your questions:

>who spends a currency that is rising in value like this?

Apparently the people who are conducting $2b in transactions per day. Question answered.

As I said, it just seems like speculation, not people spending it as a currency, just investing in it like a commodity, except it isn't actually a commodity.

"It just seems like..." let me stop you right there. Go take a look at Blockchain transactions; they're openly viewable and you can see nearly $2b are taking place daily. Making an argument from a place of ignorance isn't a strength so go and actually do the research instead of arguing what your gut tells you.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:>What actual value does it have?

Apparently a rising one, even despite fluctuations. Oh look, LITERALLY below the bitcoin headline is the headline "stocks off to a mixed start as retailers ready for cyber monday" - the stock market has crashed harder than bitcoin ever has, and yet you have no problem understanding that. The other value? It's a decentralized currency where no one can decide to simply print more money, devaluing what you already have. Don't you love having to beg for a raise every year because the $80k salary you had last year is worth $77k of buying power this year?

Companies have value. They have assets and intellectual property. They create products and generate revenues. What does a bitcoin do? What does it do that couldn't be done by any of a hundred other crypto currencies? Seems like buying into a company that doesn't do anything.

Even if I wanted to spend it like the currency that people claim it is, why would I do that, knowing that what I just gave someone will be worth more to me tomorrow if I save it instead?

Bitcoin, clearly, as we're discussing has value. Your insistence that it doesn't doesn't make it true. You seem actively ignorant about what blockchain transactions are, how they're conducted, and why they're conducted. "Seems like buying into a company that doesn't do anything" - jesus christ, do you actively work at not knowing anything you're arguing about? GO LOOK IT UP.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:>What happens when they eventually realize it doesn't have any real value?

Again, regulation-free, decentralized, world wide transactions that don't require a bank and that keep governments and businesses out of your business doesn't appeal to you? Alright then. Your call, dude.

What's really keeping government out of it? There's no reason at all that governments couldn't kill the currency if they decided to.

Holy fuck, son. Seriously. It is DECENTRALIZED OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Tell me, briefly, how they would take it over or how they'd kill it. Go on. I'll wait.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:>Seems like a kind of pyramid scheme...

Seems like you can't be bothered to take even a few minutes to look into how the technology works and why it's important.

I have looked into how it works, and I understand blockchain. It could be very useful for lots of things, but that still doesn't explain why Bitcoins are so valuable.

Wait... you understand blockchain? Alright... explain it to me. I'm fascinated to see how you can understand how it works but can't put two and two together on why the value of the commodity is rising. Please, I implore you, enlighten me.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:And it's not just bitcoin, it's blockchain technologies in general. Tell you what - you keep doing what you're doing and let me know how things fare for you in a few years.

I'm not arguing against the usefulness of blockchain technologies, so don't create some straw man around that.

No straw men here, friend. No, seriously, that's not an example of a straw man argument. Go check the wiki on logical fallacies. I was being dismissive as fuck, but it's not a straw man.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 29, 2017, 01:04:

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 20:05:Me, I just built another gaming PC from literally .14 btc that took me about two weeks to minute four years ago. Fun fact: it'll mine some more crypto for me, and maybe we can have this conversation again in four years.

Good for you. I may dabble in some blockchain tech, but not one that doesn't actually seem to do anything particularly well, and appears to be getting by on its first-mover status and network effects, but doesn't seem to be able to sustain a high level of transactions, and is apparently used primarily for speculation.

Please, do tell us all what you're "dabbling" in, I'd love to know what you think it the better place to "dabble". Maybe if you could be a bit more clear about your understanding, and what you're actually doin in the space, it would offer you some more credibility - your assessment of "first mover" status is a fascinating one, and having some context would definitely help make your argument.

So go on, answer some of the questions above. I did you the courtesy, please return the favour.

Oh, and please don't think that I'm not diversified in the space now. Maybe we're crypto buddies in whatever you're "dabbling" in - so go on, lay it all out. I want to believe.

Graham wrote on Nov 28, 2017, 05:08:$161 billion dollar market cap, with $2 billion in transactions daily. Decentralized and it's being used as currency.

Again, sorry that you don't get it, but your fundamental lack of understanding isn't bitcoin's problem.

Honestly it sounds like a lot of sour grapes from people who probably had the gear to mine this stuff and just didn't bother. Tough is your luck.

Lol, none of that addresses my question or the issues I was asking about.

So conducting a huge amount of business and having a sizeable market cap DOESN'T prove the underlying technology is a) valid and b) actually being used?

I think you're being distracted by the price change in bitcoin as a commodity - which has a same curve as Apple and Amazon over the same time period.

So let's address your questions:

>who spends a currency that is rising in value like this?

Apparently the people who are conducting $2b in transactions per day. Question answered.

>What actual value does it have?

Apparently a rising one, even despite fluctuations. Oh look, LITERALLY below the bitcoin headline is the headline "stocks off to a mixed start as retailers ready for cyber monday" - the stock market has crashed harder than bitcoin ever has, and yet you have no problem understanding that. The other value? It's a decentralized currency where no one can decide to simply print more money, devaluing what you already have. Don't you love having to beg for a raise every year because the $80k salary you had last year is worth $77k of buying power this year?

>What happens when they eventually realize it doesn't have any real value?

Again, regulation-free, decentralized, world wide transactions that don't require a bank and that keep governments and businesses out of your business doesn't appeal to you? Alright then. Your call, dude.

>Seems like a kind of pyramid scheme...

Seems like you can't be bothered to take even a few minutes to look into how the technology works and why it's important.

And it's not just bitcoin, it's blockchain technologies in general. Tell you what - you keep doing what you're doing and let me know how things fare for you in a few years.

Me, I just built another gaming PC from literally .14 btc that took me about two weeks to minute four years ago. Fun fact: it'll mine some more crypto for me, and maybe we can have this conversation again in four years.

Graham wrote on Nov 27, 2017, 19:55:Sure. I turned a gaming PC that cost me $1200 into just over $50k... And I probably kicked your ass online with it when I wasn't mining. Show me how I managed to go broke again?

You didn't mine shit with a gaming rig unless your gaming rig is a chinese ASIC farm. Making anything after electricity these days on gaming hardware is pitifully slow and has been for years.

Nothing, the market has zero stability and has already crashed many times. Bully for whoever has managed to ride the wave and scrape off a little bit of money, but most are just being fleeced by the mega-whale investment groups that manipulate it at will.

$161 billion dollar market cap, with $2 billion in transactions daily. Decentralized and it's being used as currency.

Again, sorry that you don't get it, but your fundamental lack of understanding isn't bitcoin's problem.

Honestly it sounds like a lot of sour grapes from people who probably had the gear to mine this stuff and just didn't bother. Tough is your luck.

Retired wrote on Oct 20, 2017, 10:09:How is FOV and does it feel like a console game?

Did you not try the beta? FOV is scales from 55-105, and performance was good in general. Destiny itself never really felt like much of a console game to begin with.

It's not going to change the world or anything, but I got quite a lot out of Destiny and expect to get quite a lot out of Destiny 2. It's what Borderlands would be if it took itself seriously and had an at least competent if not evolutionary competitive component.

Now I am interested.....

Honestly, I got three years of amazing gameplay and friendships out of Destiny 1. Destiny 2 has already delivered a similar experience on PS4, but playing on PC felt freeing - on a game that already feels like you're ultra mobile. I'm building a new rig to play this in 4k.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 4, 2017, 17:29:You pay full price, and then all the good stuff is available for purchase. Welcome to gaming in 2017.

Vote with your wallet. The more people keep buying shit like this, the more publishers jizz all over themselves and keep doing it.

Oh look, the same tired line that's been trotted out since horse armour. The "vote with your wallet" campaign has been SUPER effective. Yes, yes, it's the fault of those horrible people who keep buying it. Curse them, without gamers gaming would be amazing!

Angrius Maximis wrote on Sep 5, 2017, 08:22:So let me get this straight.

All you Destiny hating panty waists are upset over colored armor, colored speeders, glow effects and other worthless micro transactions you dont have to take part in? GET A LIFE

You're obviously a child and new to gaming because these things have always been - and still are in good games - free. Or at least players have the option of making them themselves. As well as hosting their own servers, setting their own rules and conditions, etc. See, those are good things. When a company denies you choices, or presents you with the illusion of choice which is really just a way to needlessly keep their hand in your pocket that's a bad thing. And when you support those sorts of bad models it makes it worse for the rest of us. The reason evil succeeds in this world is not because people say yes to it, but because they don't say no. Grow up and stop thinking only of yourself. That's what children do.

Hey, Cutter - what fucking game are you talking about?

What game has seamless online co-op with campaigns and raids that also allows full modding and dedicated servers and/or player run servers?

What fucking utopia are you playing that the rest of us don't have access to?

Get with the fucking program, the thing you're talking about doesn't exist because it's untenable and unfeasible. Grow up yourself.

We're okay with loading clip after clip and emptying them into enemies–human, alien, zombies, whatever.

And we're going to buck at a little fucking?

What a strange lot we gamers are.

Someone on the first page said it's a shame Bioware has come to this? Come to what? Writing romance and sex into games with exploration, adventure and violence? Yes, it would be a shame to see that in entertainment. I'm certainly glad Game of Thrones doesn't delve into any of those things. Or Mad Men. Or music. Or thousands of other types of media.