Marcus Aurelius:The Tea Party refuses to govern, and this entire debacle can comfortably be laid directly at their feet.

I think that's where this will all ultimately end up.. The saner (relatively speaking) part of the GOP is just waiting for the largest and heaviest bus to arrive to finally rid themselves of the Teatards.

Just saw a newsflash that the House will attempt to pass some piecemeal funding bills.. It'll be interesting to see if the Teatard faction tries to poison those with Obamacare delays, too.

Sure, Democrats said yes to the Republicans budget number. Sure Democrats compromised. But they didn't give in to EVERYTHING. Republicans asked for MORE and Democrats had the gall to say "how about you compromise too?".

What kind of bullshiat is that? Compromise means doing everything the Republicans ask.

More false equivalence horseshiat. The insane wing of the GOP took hostages. The blame lies directly with the people who thought they could hijack the basic workings of government to get something they couldn't get through the normal democratic process.

The framers of the constitution realized that laws are just ink on paper (or parchment). No law can be better than the people who interpret it and the fact that the Constitution made it possible for one side to create a Constitutional crisis doesn't change the fact that the GOP chose to create one.

They have already ignored the 14th amendment and sacrifices the good of the nation for spite. It isn't even about ideology, they aren't going to get what they want, they just want to make ordinary Americans suffer for siding with the black dude against them.

Kumana Wanalaia:Then let's amend the constitution so that the debt limit and and the budget become the same step, instead of two different steps.

The Democrats did this in 1979. It was called the Gephardt Rule. We only went back to having separate debt limit votes when the GOP took over the House and Gingrich separated the two votes again in order to grandstand on the debt ceiling.

markie_farkie:Marcus Aurelius: The Tea Party refuses to govern, and this entire debacle can comfortably be laid directly at their feet.

I think that's where this will all ultimately end up.. The saner (relatively speaking) part of the GOP is just waiting for the largest and heaviest bus to arrive to finally rid themselves of the Teatards.

Watching this happen would be fascinating if it wasn't so utterly terrifying.

The Republican Party has two choices: They can continue walking down the path that the Tea Party has brought them down so far. Or they can purge the Tea Party and reinvent themselves. Either choice will be painful, dangerous, and will leave the Republican Party much smaller and weaker. The question is: are they going to rip off the bandage in one swift motion? Or are they going to peel it back slowly, clenching their teeth the whole time, prolonging the suffering of the entire body?

As an analogy, this would be like a co-worker coming up to you and saying "Unless you let me f*ck you in the ass without lube, I'm not going to do my job to such a massive degree that the company fails to pay any of us." In response, you say "No, I'm not going to let you f*ck me in the ass without lube. Go do your goddamn job." That is not "didn't want to give anything." That is, frankly, you not wanting to get f*cked by some piece of sh*t who won't do his goddamn job.

As an analogy, this would be like a co-worker coming up to you and saying "Unless you let me f*ck you in the ass without lube, I'm not going to do my job to such a massive degree that the company fails to pay any of us." In response, you say "No, I'm not going to let you f*ck me in the ass without lube. Go do your goddamn job." That is not "didn't want to give anything." That is, frankly, you not wanting to get f*cked by some piece of sh*t who won't do his goddamn job.