Dancin_In_Anson:What a farking asshole. I met a lady with a toddler and a baby on a flight from Tampa to Atlanta. They were sitting right behind me. The baby was pretty fussy so I offered to help her out. I entertained the older (about 2 years old) with boos and toys while she tended to the baby who cried most of the flight. Turns out that she was on the same flight I was all the way to Dallas, so I hung in there with her the whole way. We grabbed some lunch and I found out that she was an attorney in Tampa on her way to see her folks. She insisted on paying for lunch (I didn't want her to pay as I was drinking beer and my beer tab can get out of hand) and after some arguing I relented. I asked the flight crew to DFW if we could switch seats around so I could help her out further if the kids (the 2 year old and I were buddies by now) got grumpy during the flight and they let us. Anyway, we got to Dallas and I walked them all the way out of security to the curb where her father was waiting. She gave me her card and told me to call if she could ever help me out.

About 7 years later when my Dad's health was fading, my Mother had a lot of questions about how to set things up in case Dad lingered longer than he wanted to so I called her. Left a msg with her office telling who I was and how I got her name in case she didn't remember. She called me later that day and within a couple of days I had some good information for my Mother to work with...free of charge. I had asked for a referral.

Bottom line is Mr. Executive Asshole, don't be a dick. You'll be amazed at how well it can turn out for you.

Richard Sauce:I propose separate but equal planes for families with small children.

Absolutely no law against "no kids" flights. But surprisingly, grown up snowflakes too fragile to endure the horrors of children on a plane don't seem to have enough money to make them a viable market to pander to.

I can understand getting annoyed at a screaming toddler, whether it's on an airplane, in a restaurant, in an elevator, at a grocery store....wherever. Toddlers are by default annoying, and when they're loud, they're even worse. That being said, you NEVER put your hands on someone else's child, unless you're trying to pull them out of the way of oncoming traffic or something. You especially never hit someone else's child. You super-duper especially never hit someone else's child and use a racial slur and other derogatory language against them.

I don't believe a small child can be held accountable for their actions. I don't blame the kid. But parents are adults. If you are a parent, YOU should be responsible for the actions of your child. In my mind, there is absolutely no difference between an adult with their child who is doing X and an adult doing X. Same with pets.

My neighbors upstairs leave their dog in their tiny apartment while they go to work. Dog barks all day. I quickly got tired of it; recorded it barking, saved it to my media center, connected the surround sound system and the guitar amp and waited until they were home from work. Then I proceeded to produce the EXACT SAME NOISE they'd been responsible for making.

In my eyes, those actions are equal. They were dicks for making loud noises and I responded in kind by making loud noises (also making me a dick - but no more of a dick).

My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child. I don't blame the dog upstairs for barking, I blame the owners that are responsible for it.

//True story - the landlord called me up and said there were complaints of barking coming from my apartment. I said, 'That's impossible, I don't have a dog. I have heard a dog coming from upstairs though'. Good times.

Soooo...he should have slapped the mother because her toddler cried as the result of ear pain during decent? No, he's a drunken jackass, and you're a moron that has helped me update my ignore list.

First - there is nothing more ridiculous than taking the time to respond to someone while simultaneously announcing your intention to ignore them. Seriously. If you want to ignore me, that's the worst possible way to do it. You've failed as hard as anyone can fail at ignoring someone.

Second - *if* he were going to slap anyone, he should have slapped the mother. It's unreasonable to expect a baby/small child to understand how to behave in an appropriate fashion....but it's not at all unreasonable to expect an adult to understand what is appropriate behavior for an airplane.

It'd still be a crime and he'd still be a dick. I'm just saying she would have been a more appropriate victim.

But - you aren't reading this; since you're ignoring me, right? So I'm going to point out that your mother is ugly! BOO YA!

There are limits to personal responsibility. First off, he was traveling to a family funeral, so he was obviously in a fragile emotional state. Second, the mother seemed more interested in arguing with him than tending to her small child. Unless the kid was flying to Atlanta for an urgent medical procedure, there's little reason for him to be on an aircraft. Furthermore, the passengers witnessed the plane waitresses over serving this guy when they admittedly suspected him of being intoxicated, which between the funeral and the screaming child is understandable. And it's not like he punched the child in the face with a closed fist. There's a decent chance that the mother slaps the child herself. While inappropriate, it's not what I'd call an offense that requires us to get our torches and pitchforks.

Bottom line, it was a stressful situation and some things happened. Everyone is fine now. Let's move on.

Dancin_In_Anson:Bottom line is Mr. Executive Asshole, don't be a dick. You'll be amazed at how well it can turn out for you.

My wife had a similar story, but in reverse. She got on a plane with our kid and was having a tough time getting her bags stowed in the bin and the little guy was having a rough afternoon. The guy next to her, rather than help, started giving her shiat about how she shouldn't carry a bag she can't lift and telling her she needed to get our kid to shut up because he was trying to read the paper. Generally, he acted like an assbag for 2 hours.

In December, I flew from Phoenix to Philly and the 4-yo girl across the aisle from me wailed the entire flight. Non-stop, nearly ear-piercing wailing for almost 4 hours. The poor mother tried everything and was near tears herself. Kid was just overtired and for whatever reason couldn't or wouldn't sleep.

We all wanted to shove that kid in the overhead, lock her in the bathroom, ANYTHING for a moment's peace. And I'm sure I wasn't the only one trying to figure out how to surreptitiously suffocate her w/my neck pillow. But actually lay a hand on someone else's kid? Nuh-uh--not if you want the mother to put you in a body bag.

CSB: Guy in the window seat next to me had Bose noise-canceling headphones on the entire trip. He didn't take them off until we touched down. He leaned over to me and suggested I tell the mother to give the girl some gum to help w/her ears. He was surprised to learn she'd been crying the whole flight.

Dancin_In_Anson:What a farking asshole. I met a lady with a toddler and a baby on a flight from Tampa to Atlanta. They were sitting right behind me. The baby was pretty fussy so I offered to help her out. I entertained the older (about 2 years old) with boos and toys while she tended to the baby who cried most of the flight. Turns out that she was on the same flight I was all the way to Dallas, so I hung in there with her the whole way. We grabbed some lunch and I found out that she was an attorney in Tampa on her way to see her folks. She insisted on paying for lunch (I didn't want her to pay as I was drinking beer and my beer tab can get out of hand) and after some arguing I relented. I asked the flight crew to DFW if we could switch seats around so I could help her out further if the kids (the 2 year old and I were buddies by now) got grumpy during the flight and they let us. Anyway, we got to Dallas and I walked them all the way out of security to the curb where her father was waiting. She gave me her card and told me to call if she could ever help me out.

About 7 years later when my Dad's health was fading, my Mother had a lot of questions about how to set things up in case Dad lingered longer than he wanted to so I called her. Left a msg with her office telling who I was and how I got her name in case she didn't remember. She called me later that day and within a couple of days I had some good information for my Mother to work with...free of charge. I had asked for a referral.

Bottom line is Mr. Executive Asshole, don't be a dick. You'll be amazed at how well it can turn out for you.

/yeah yeah yeah CSB and all.//still have her card///Thanks again T!

Was waiting for the part where she took you to her hotel and farked you while the kids slept in the bathtub. Leaving disappointed.

A soon as I saw where he was from, a red flag went up.Hayden Lake Idaho is the epicenter of the Aryan Brotherhood.There are more complete (really, from head to toe) assholes per square mile there, than any other place in the country.

Please don't equate Northern Idaho with the Boise area. We are not all racists here. A little backwards, yes, but not all racist.

Honest question. Why is Northern Idaho so popular with white supremacists? It's not like they need to get away from the 12 black guys in Montana.

Honestly, I'm not sure. The remoteness could be one reason. I think Ruby Ridge might have started the whole "Oh wow, look at that patriotic White Supremacist fighting the Gov'ment. We must move there and start our own club" thing.

I think it's the fact that northern Idaho is so sparsely populated, and there never was much of a reason for non-whites to move there; it's all descendents of the original settlers (somewhat like Appalachia). If you want to escape from regular America, you have to go where regular Americans ain't. I feel sorry for the non-racist people who have had all these assholes move in around them.

My friend and I got snowed in in Wallace, Idaho which looks to be 40 miles east of this douche. Scariest two days of my life. My friend who is a quarter Cherokee was asked everywhere we went "What are you, 1/2 --igger?" "You a Jew?" and "You look like a towel head." I've never even heard of anything like it and I'm from the south. We finally found a bar with a guy (who seemed like a total serial killer) who had an Asian wife and then after that returned to the motel and didn't leave until we could drive again. farking scary place. It's beautiful but even the scenery turns real ugly after that.

SquiggsIN:Dahnkster: SquiggsIN: Along these lines. I just enjoyed a wonderful lunch at my favorite Mexican restaurant. I overheard the from the table of 8 high schoolers behind me during the meal "leave it to the beaners". I wish that was all i heard. They also took time to make fun of Filipinos, Chinese, and Koreans while the Korean exchange student sat with them (assuming she was trying to ignore the ignorance).

I also, am saddened of the future outlook. If you would have asked any of them about making fun of non-whites while their non-white friend was seated there, I am sure they would have told you that either 1."She's one of the 'good ones'. " or 2. "She don't care."

My family has many Asian and Hispanic husbands, wives, and significant others. All my nephews and nieces on my side of the family are multi-heritage. I usually speak up when I hear dumb shiat uttered in public. If nothing else, just to point out how stupid they sound.

It took all my strength to not scream at them as I left. (the wife forbade me from saying anything and who wants a fight when you get home?) Or to tell the one girl how the others were making fun of her before she arrived. I sometimes wish involuntary sterilization was an option in this country.

Eh, teenagers are jerks. Most likely they're not actually racist, just insensitive pricks. When I was a teen, we'd drive through our local residential Christmas light display street with our windows rolled down and Pantera blasting, because we wanted to be dicks.

/San Diego meant we could roll down our windows on December 23 without freezing our asses off.

Gyrfalcon:According to the fraction of Farkers who totally hate kids, the only place for children on planes is in the baggage compartment. Because apparently airplane travel is otherwise made in perfect silence and utter tranquility, and any disruption of that experience, from beginning to end, shatters their delicate Zen state.

If I'm on a flight and a kid is throwing a tantrum, I will tell them that they should go play outside.

CheekyMonkey:ProfessorOhki: CheekyMonkey: Fark_Guy_Rob: Genevieve Marie: Fark_Guy_Rob: My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child.

Because the baby started crying on descent when his ears hurt?

What should the mom have done?

I've got problems too - that doesn't allow me to violate the basic social contracts we all conform to. Why should I be expected to answer for the action or inaction of the Mother? *I* didn't spend the flight crying like a child. I took appropriate actions to ensure that I wouldn't piss everyone off.

I'm not the woman. I don't know what she should have done. If you gave me a pet tiger, I wouldn't know what to do with that either - but it would be my responsibility to learn before I let it eat someone's child. She should have figured it out *before* ruining everyone's flight.

Feel free to charter a plane if you want the whole thing to yourself.

Exactly, but that gets expensive; having to charter a plane just because you have a screaming baby.

Even thought that was quite trollish, it did get me to laugh.

Good, I'm glad I went the simple route. I was *this* close to suggesting baby-sized tow-able drones.

Shut the fark up with the racist crap already. So sensitive, you hear one word that is a "dog whistle" and the next thing you know you scream racism where none was intended or spoken. Bunch of Jessee Jackson racists yourselves. Do us all a favor and think before you jump on a bandwagon.

This is why everyone but the flight crew should be gassed upon boarding the plane for flights lasting more than two hours. Then everyone can sleep through the flight and the flight attendants can wake them up when the plane touches down.

I don't believe a small child can be held accountable for their actions. I don't blame the kid. But parents are adults. If you are a parent, YOU should be responsible for the actions of your child. In my mind, there is absolutely no difference between an adult with their child who is doing X and an adult doing X. Same with pets.

My neighbors upstairs leave their dog in their tiny apartment while they go to work. Dog barks all day. I quickly got tired of it; recorded it barking, saved it to my media center, connected the surround sound system and the guitar amp and waited until they were home from work. Then I proceeded to produce the EXACT SAME NOISE they'd been responsible for making.

In my eyes, those actions are equal. They were dicks for making loud noises and I responded in kind by making loud noises (also making me a dick - but no more of a dick).

My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child. I don't blame the dog upstairs for barking, I blame the owners that are responsible for it.

//True story - the landlord called me up and said there were complaints of barking coming from my apartment. I said, 'That's impossible, I don't have a dog. I have heard a dog coming from upstairs though'. Good times.

...Goddamn, you can tell the people here who don't know basic farking biology. The kid was in farking pain, you asshole. How is that in any way ANYONE'S fault?

You cannot ban children from flying, but I dearly wish they would ban idiots who think they have the right to NEVAR EVAR DEAL WITH SCREAMING BABBY, OTHER PEOPLE ARE SUCH AN AFFRONT TO MY SENSES I MUST HATE THEM FOREVAR!!!!11!!!

Seriously, if you can look at a screaming baby and not put up with it, you have no right to call yourself an adult, because you should damn well be able to understand that it's an adult's job to put up with shiat other people, babies included, can' ...

Agreed.

And if I'm not an adult, it stands to reason that I'm a child.

Which exempts me from social obligations like NOT being a giant d-bag in public. But you can't object to it; because if you do, by your own criteria - you'd be failing in your job to put up with my shiat. That'd make you a child as well.

I have to say, I'm not sure I agree with your world view; but to each their own.

That's The Racism Bat. Some other Farker, I forget who, created the character in the Politics tab a few years ago, and I kinda ran with it. I just couldn't think of a good line for him to say this time. It's odd, it's obscure.... yeah, it's a Fark post.

I don't believe a small child can be held accountable for their actions. I don't blame the kid. But parents are adults. If you are a parent, YOU should be responsible for the actions of your child. In my mind, there is absolutely no difference between an adult with their child who is doing X and an adult doing X. Same with pets.

My neighbors upstairs leave their dog in their tiny apartment while they go to work. Dog barks all day. I quickly got tired of it; recorded it barking, saved it to my media center, connected the surround sound system and the guitar amp and waited until they were home from work. Then I proceeded to produce the EXACT SAME NOISE they'd been responsible for making.

In my eyes, those actions are equal. They were dicks for making loud noises and I responded in kind by making loud noises (also making me a dick - but no more of a dick).

My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child. I don't blame the dog upstairs for barking, I blame the owners that are responsible for it.

//True story - the landlord called me up and said there were complaints of barking coming from my apartment. I said, 'That's impossible, I don't have a dog. I have heard a dog coming from upstairs though'. Good times.

Coco LaFemme:I can understand getting annoyed at a screaming toddler, whether it's on an airplane, in a restaurant, in an elevator, at a grocery store....wherever. Toddlers are by default annoying, and when they're loud, they're even worse. That being said, you NEVER put your hands on someone else's child, unless you're trying to pull them out of the way of oncoming traffic or something. You especially never hit someone else's child. You super-duper especially never hit someone else's child and use a racial slur and other derogatory language against them.

This guy should be kicked in the dick hard enough to break it.

Or they could use that wire corkscrew from his previous offense on it.

FTFA: In an interview, Hundley denied striking the toddler or using a racial slur, though he did acknowledge that he "asked the mother to quiet the child."

After Hundley hit the child, Agent Cheney reported, Bennett received assistance from several other passengers, including Todd Wooten, who was in seat 16C. Wooten told agents that he "heard derogatory language coming from the rear of the aircraft" and got up to investigate. "According to Mr. Wooten," Cheney noted, "he saw Joe Rickey Hundley strike" the toddler.

Yeah, neutral witnesses are already coming forth to help crucify you, asshole. Good luck with the non-apology apology.