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I've been pondering a matter pertaining to kegels and how EQ and perceived gains early on in PE'ing might be related and was wondering if others could offer their insight into it? (Mods: if this is in the wrong forum please feel free to move it).

Basically I've come to believe a lot of the large early gains for some beginners could be due rather to good EQ gains from kegeling than anything else. There are no doubt guys who are the exceptions to the rule but let me take myself as an example in this regard.

I've had a 1.4 inch gain in length over a little more than 6 months which is quite a lot in that period of time and seems ...unusual, perhaps even questionable to some. However I think the clue lies in that when I began PE'ing in October last year my EQ was around 6, at best sometimes 7 maybe even dipping to 5. Now I'd say it can reach 9.

Before PE and kegels it also felt like some condoms strangled my erection if I didn't move quick enough to achieve penetration during sex, now that's a non-issue and it's more about comfort. I also can get full on, very hard erections at a good 90 degrees to my abdomen when before I couldn't do that at all.

So I wouldn't be surprised that if I use an intuitive guesstimate (these are all ballpark figures) that maybe as much 0.8 inch to 0.9 inch of my above gain was actually from a stronger and bigger erection. Then my 'true non-EQ related length gains' are a less impressive but more believable 0.5 inch, maybe less still, in the space of 6 months. This is also given that the times I was recording big gains was also when I was upping my kegelling regime and recording EQ gains.

To reinforce this with another observation I recall from years ago: there was a rare occassion, long before I knew what PE was, where I swelled up to notably bigger than usual during an intimate session with a past girlfriend. I was quite amazed and tried for a while to replicate the circumstances that contributed to that event without success - until PE. The size I reached on that rare occassion back then was, (a guesstimate from a memory) probably also half an inch less than I'm capable of now.

So I'm actually tending to now seriously believe that kegels are the backbone of any PE routine, and especially so for beginners and guys with EQ's lower than 9. The result is also that it's inevitable then that after quick gains for some guys it'll eventually fall back into a slow slog for them too.

I would agree to an extent...I would say it is not that outlandish to say that a lot of the gains in the 1st month may be helped by better EQ from both kegels and jelqing, and it may have been there all along but your EQ didn't show it.

Although I wouldn't downplay the occurrence that a lot of newbies probably don't take kegels seriously at first and probably jump to stretching, jelqing, edging, etc. So that is something to think about as well.

I'm sure that was my case: a half inch gain in the first two weeks. But I was so psyched by it that it kept me going whole hog for the next three months with absolutely no increase in girth or length until well into my four month.

For sure. There are of course many variations possible on this as when I consider normal exercise and training guys can progress very differently when it comes to cardio or weights.

However I can't help think of many users who pass through here and disappear after rushing onto something advanced like hanging without properly conditioning themselves or investigating a seemingly boring avenue like kegels. That's when the latter may (I stress here the 'may') give them the most gains and initiative they need to carry on consistently for the other harder gains.

I after all wondered myself when I started whether kegels were worth doing at all.