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> Had an email from lyon to say these will be available from March.

They told me April. Oh well, March or April I look forward to trying them on. I'll be due some new shoes about then and with my birthday being in May the Mrs may well be getting some not-so-subtle hints if they fit well.

In reply to Chewie: You are not mistaken, AND the barracudas had the really useful netty rubber over the top of the toe which was fantastic for toe hooking. Maybe La Sportiva have decided to follow 5.10s lead and discontinue good shoes and start bringing out slightly crapper versions.

> £100 mind; hopefully they'll be cheaper somewhere else in time. I was told by Urban Rock that they'd be stocking them pretty much as soon as they became available, but they hadn't got them when I last looked.

Tried the Miura velcro's at Rock On's boot demo @ Redpoint on saturday. Best shoe I've ever worn. Fortunately I some how manage to win the comp so get a pair of these lovely shoes. I've always been a 5.10 man but these beat everything I tried on. Altho the Teams are the next best thing.

Was trying a pair on the weekend - they seem a bit wider than the velcro ones, but the elastic tongue thing makes it harder to get a fat foot inside. Feels nice and snug once it's there, though. The length seems pretty similar - size 41 works for me in both - but I reckon that the lace-ups might not give as much on account of the P3 thing and the elastic inner. Just a guess, mind...