Has anyone considered that the Governor and Merle planned this to get Merle on the inside of the prison? That was the first thing that occurred to me.

I don't know, but Daryl has turned into my favorite character and if he doesn't wind up getting to commit a little fratricide I'm going to be furious. I think it was pretty telling that when Rick told him he needed him and to basically forget about Merle that he was on board. He clearly still had inner turmoil, but these events have really turned him into a better person.

It doesn't explain how he just mysteriously got captured without reason, unless he did it on purpose. God I hope not.

It doesn't explain how he just mysteriously got captured without reason, unless he did it on purpose. God I hope not.

yeah i have to agree with that. when daryl was revealed to merle at the end, i just had a hard time accepting he was so easily captured without any major visible injuries...and its completely unrealistic that daryl of all people be taking by surprise by anyone other than merle.

i can believe the governor would be mad at merle for lying to him about michonne not being dead, but to blame him and risk losing his best trained 'muscle' and right - hand man....i dunno there might be something else going on behind the scenes.

yeah i have to agree with that. when daryl was revealed to merle at the end, i just had a hard time accepting he was so easily captured without any major visible injuries...and its completely unrealistic that daryl of all people be taking by surprise by anyone other than merle.

i can believe the governor would be mad at merle for lying to him about michonne not being dead, but to blame him and risk losing his best trained 'muscle' and right - hand man....i dunno there might be something else going on behind the scenes.

Yeah the Daryl capture reeks of BS...I think it really is just a plot hole though. As far as the Govbag, I think it's a more cerebral thing. If you didn't notice, he's already trying to use propaganda and terrorist labeling to get his community to turn into a militia. Even more powerful for him to 'discover' a traitor in their midst and use it to incite an uprising against the 'others' who he has deemed terrorists.

I think he is completely sacrificing Merle to the cause. Unfortunately it makes me think he and Daryl will both survive which I do NOT want to see happen.

Yeah the Daryl capture reeks of BS...I think it really is just a plot hole though. As far as the Govbag, I think it's a more cerebral thing. If you didn't notice, he's already trying to use propaganda and terrorist labeling to get his community to turn into a militia. Even more powerful for him to 'discover' a traitor in their midst and use it to incite an uprising against the 'others' who he has deemed terrorists.

I think he is completely sacrificing Merle to the cause. Unfortunately it makes me think he and Daryl will both survive which I do NOT want to see happen.

I think it is still the Governors plan to use Merle in order to get into the prison. The season ended with the entire town yelling "Kill them!" basically. So in order for Darryl to survive, which he will, they're most likely led out of the town and tried hunted down. The only place for them to go is the prison. OR they kill Merle, and says "let that be a lesson to all of you!", and then they let Darryl go. Leading them to the prison. But that might not work either ...

Meh. I have no idea. In order to know, I would have to wait till February, which sucks. I want all of it now!

I think there are people that dramatic series were not meant for. Some people really like that whole A-Team format. The number one shows now are weekly watchers. Speaks a lot of the viewing public. No attention span.

tbh i only really think the first half was bad in my opinion they spent WAY to much time looking for sophia and even then it wasnt really bad it was just to slow.

---------- Post added 2012-12-05 at 08:27 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Pancha

I think it is still the Governors plan to use Merle in order to get into the prison. The season ended with the entire town yelling "Kill them!" basically. So in order for Darryl to survive, which he will, they're most likely led out of the town and tried hunted down. The only place for them to go is the prison. OR they kill Merle, and says "let that be a lesson to all of you!", and then they let Darryl go. Leading them to the prison. But that might not work either ...

Meh. I have no idea. In order to know, I would have to wait till February, which sucks. I want all of it now!

its possible but you have to remember the govenor just lost penny the only thing grounding his humanity and the only thing that really mattered, who killed penny? michonne, who was supposed to kill michonne and lied about it? merle

The Governor is legit mad at Merle. Merle lied about killing Michonne, and she came back to kill his daughter & make him a cyclops. Merle is the scapegoat, and the Governor knows Merle's too close to this other group to be trusted. I think Merle & Daryl, Rick's group, and Tyrese's group will inevitably join forces out of necessity just to defend the prison against the Governor's forces. They may not like each other but it'll be about survival. Andrea's allegiance is still up in the air for me.

The Governor is legit mad at Merle. Merle lied about killing Michonne, and she came back to kill his daughter & make him a cyclops. Merle is the scapegoat, and the Governor knows Merle's too close to this other group to be trusted. I think Merle & Daryl, Rick's group, and Tyrese's group will inevitably join forces out of necessity just to defend the prison against the Governor's forces. They may not like each other but it'll be about survival. Andrea's allegiance is still up in the air for me.

i dont think tyreeses group will be a problem however i do think mister jeans with the "its just a kid and some women" is gonna get shot in the face by deputy carl O-O

Andrea needs to die...can't stand her. Wish Dale would have let her kill herself and save us all some bullshit.

They needed a character in Woodbury so they could tell that story too. Her story is a little lame at the moment but if her character survives and goes on like she does in the comics I'm sure she's going be be a favorite in the next few seasons.

The Governor is legit mad at Merle. Merle lied about killing Michonne, and she came back to kill his daughter & make him a cyclops. Merle is the scapegoat, and the Governor knows Merle's too close to this other group to be trusted. I think Merle & Daryl, Rick's group, and Tyrese's group will inevitably join forces out of necessity just to defend the prison against the Governor's forces. They may not like each other but it'll be about survival. Andrea's allegiance is still up in the air for me.

I don't see Merle living too long. Remember he is the one who kidnapped Glenn and Maggie and tried to kill Michonne. Andrea deserves to go down with the Governor. The Gov arch will be stretched till the end of the season. Why does Rick keep giving Michonne such a hard time? If it was anyone else she would have killed him already. Rick has gone insane (the actor needs an Emmy). Hopefully Tyresse will lost longer and have more of a presence than T-Dogg and Oscar. Will we see the death of Judith and the hands of the Governor?

They needed a character in Woodbury so they could tell that story too. Her story is a little lame at the moment but if her character survives and goes on like she does in the comics I'm sure she's going be be a favorite in the next few seasons.

I don't care about the comics, I care about the show. She's been the most annoying person to me since the second she started talking. Her sister was the one that should have made it. Damn Dale for 'saving' her. I also like how she goes from depressed suicidal maniac to oh, this obviously fucked up town is so awesome it has emotionally healed me.

Man oh man. I'm not trying to sound racists here but this is starting to be bad scripting writing to be honest. Ok so they killed T-Dog off right? Why kill him off when he is just now FINALLY getting some great dialog? He was really starting to be a lot better Season 3. People say "Oh no man T-dog went out like a bad ass". No he actually didn't. I'm tired of seeing the hero who has to die. They could of wrote around that to make it a whole lot better.

So now they introduce us to a black prisoner they build him some character and then out of no where they treat him like T-Dog. When he is with Rick and Daryl he is barely noticeable they barely have the camera on him, he was really starting to be interesting and then they killed him off randomly. When one of the guys in haven shot him I was like "Ok he is either racist, blind, or just a terrible shot." Rick was clearly visible (correct me if I am wrong) and the black man dies. One other note. When they first introduced us to the new prisoner, even then he wasn't even noticeable until you see Rick killing off Shane 2.0.

Now they introduce another black male character. Will they kill him off too?

Again I am not trying to sound like I'm calling the show racist, I love this show but I see some really bad script writing here.

Andrea needs to die...can't stand her. Wish Dale would have let her kill herself and save us all some bullshit.

Thank you!! I just hate her and have since....basically the beginning. Her need to constantly prove herself and whine about it, ugh!

In response to some of the Daryl conspiracy theories above I thought it was pretty obvious Daryl got captured on purpose. He told Rick he wanted to stay behind and find Merle, when Rick said he needed him Daryl seemingly agreed to leave with the group, but as they were escaping conveniently stayed back. He wanted to find his brother so he got caught.

Looking forward to the rest of the season. I am worried the newbies that Carl saved could be trouble, we will see.

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Originally Posted by pacox

I don't see Merle living too long. Remember he is the one who kidnapped Glenn and Maggie and tried to kill Michonne. Andrea deserves to go down with the Governor. The Gov arch will be stretched till the end of the season. Why does Rick keep giving Michonne such a hard time? If it was anyone else she would have killed him already. Rick has gone insane (the actor needs an Emmy). Hopefully Tyresse will lost longer and have more of a presence than T-Dogg and Oscar. Will we see the death of Judith and the hands of the Governor?

I agree, Merle is going out soon, I am pretty sure it will be epic. And I don't really care how Andrea goes down, as long as it happens. She is the most annoying character.

I think the reason Michonne hasn't gone after Rick is because she recognizes the group as the one Andrea was separated from, and knows they are good people. She is smart and knows it might be best to have allies at the moment. I can't believe Andrea's reaction when she saw what Michonne did to the governor, and upon discovering the heads and his daughter. I would think that is reason enough to, I don't know, start believing Michonne about that place and leave with her? But that will just digress into another anti-Andrea tirade of mine lol.

I hope the governor doesn't kill Judith. I can't imagine how the baby story line is going to play out though, curious to see.

i like that idea, but the governor seems to act out on emotion hastily i doubt he thought that plan through after michonne just killed his daughter

I have to agree with this, I don't see why The Governor would have asked Merl to let Michonne live (assuming she would end up at the prison and lead them all to Woodbury is way to far fetched). I think I would agree with Fuzzzie if the whole Michonne living and putting a knife through his daughters mouth thing didn't happen(just in case if you don't remember; Merl told The Governor that he personally killed Michonne).

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Originally Posted by Blueobelisk

Now, Waaldo is prepared to look for this person like Prince Charming testing everyone to see just how bad their psychological disorder is if their foot fits in the glass slipper.