This is such a stupid conversation - it's only got traction because of how Drummond's rookie season has played out, in spite of arguments for him being the BPA at the time.

8 teams passed on Drummond. Maybe half of them would have taken him now, in hindsight (for sure Sacto at #5 instead of Thomas Robinson) making the whole argument moot. If the Raps blew it at #8, then Sacto really blew it at #5, which means if we're gonna argue shoulda/woulda/couldas, Drummond wouldn't even have been on the board at #8.

As has been explained pretty well above, there are much, much bigger draft day blunders than taking Ross over Drummond.

Also, after 1 (1!) season, it's way too early to make final judgments on either player. Drummond's attitude may catch up to him yet - even Michael Beasley's had a couple nice seasons.

This is such a stupid conversation - it's only got traction because of how Drummond's rookie season has played out, in spite of arguments for him being the BPA at the time.

8 teams passed on Drummond. Maybe half of them would have taken him now, in hindsight (for sure Sacto at #5 instead of Thomas Robinson) making the whole argument moot. If the Raps blew it at #8, then Sacto really blew it at #5, which means if we're gonna argue shoulda/woulda/couldas, Drummond wouldn't even have been on the board at #8.

As has been explained pretty well above, there are much, much bigger draft day blunders than taking Ross over Drummond.

Also, after 1 (1!) season, it's way too early to make final judgments on either player. Drummond's attitude may catch up to him yet - even Michael Beasley's had a couple nice seasons.

Further to your point, it's still too early to label Ross a waste of a pick.

Just, Drummond was huge.... he was never gonna get small. No biggie, I mean hey, he has his shortcomings too. Its just, old sayings that last, last for a reason, and this one, well, it makes most sense to me.

Why all this pawning after Drummond? The thing I'm pissed at is GS tanking to tie us, Uzoh's infamous triple double night on the last game of the season that got us the win and then GS winning the coin flip to take Barnes. I'd take Barnes any day of the week over Drummond. No matter how awesome Drummond is, I can't stand a rotation player that shoots 30% from the line.

Both Tristan and Waiters start for a team with the same playoff aspirations (but with a much better chance imho) as the Raptors.

Ross isn't pushing Derozan for minutes at this point and looks like a 7-8 rotational guy right now. This could change but the argument concerning your GM being able to recognize talent and build a team with it is significant. Even J.Lamb who went after Ross and is a 2 as well, is going to have a big role this year coming off the bench for OKC. Ross still doesn't seem to know where or how he should fit on the 2nd unit.

I'm really not sure how this is relevant. The point I made was that neither Tristan nor Waiters were as good choices to build a foundation (considering Kyrie's there too) then potentially beast Cs who Cleveland passed on two years in a row. They could have maybe had (assuming their draft positions left unchanged) Jonas, Kyrie and Waiters, or Drummond, Kyrie and Thompson....both those trios are pretty obviously better to build around than Kyrie, Waiters and Thompson.

I was pretty shocked when we picked Ross over Drummond as well, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the Ross pick either.

Ross has ridiculous raw talent...imo, he is to shooting guards as Paul George is to small forwards. Great size, ridiculous athletecism, smooth shooting mechanics, length to be a lock down defender. What he does with those raw talents and god given gifts is up to him, but if ever gets his shit together you have a star in the making. Clearly he is far off right now, but I'm not going to say he is a bust after a single year of inconsistent playing time.