@notarose wrote:IMO the franchise spin keeps trying to justify all kinds of Arie issues. Part of that spin cycle includes the comparison of his actions to former seasons however the whitewash keeps peeling off. Here’s Melissa reminding viewers it’s not what he did, it’s how he did it and what that says about him. http://people.com/tv/jason-mesnick-ex-melissa-rycroft-drags-bachelor-arie-luyendyk-jr/

everything Melissa said was on point. The comparison between Jason and Arie are totally false. Just because they had a "Switcharoo" does not mean that it's the same situation because they are not the same people. The way Jason handled things is completely different from Arie in every way.

The fact, that he's trying to use Becca, who was so gracious, as his cover story, just shows his lack of people skills. He's already seen as a dirty sleaze, mostly because of the on tv break up, then because of the overlapping. He has been shown to have been playing both sides, and throwing Becca utb won't help him.

He has also shown, that he has no clue about boundaries. I would feel bad for Lauren, but she's equally clueless about any tact and respect, so when he slides into other people's DM's, or sends them sock messages (SERIOUSLY!!!), well, he did it with her, so shell see it coming. Jmo.

@Cocoasneeze wrote:The fact, that he's trying to use Becca, who was so gracious, as his cover story, just shows his lack of people skills. He's already seen as a dirty sleaze, mostly because of the on tv break up, then because of the overlapping. He has been shown to have been playing both sides, and throwing Becca utb won't help him.

He has also shown, that he has no clue about boundaries. I would feel bad for Lauren, but she's equally clueless about any tact and respect, so when he slides into other people's DM's, or sends them sock messages (SERIOUSLY!!!), well, he did it with her, so shell see it coming. Jmo.

But "sock messages" to Lauren are TOTALLY different than "Milk Carton" messages to Bekah. Like, totally, completely different.

@notarose wrote:IMO the franchise spin keeps trying to justify all kinds of Arie issues. Part of that spin cycle includes the comparison of his actions to former seasons however the whitewash keeps peeling off. Here’s Melissa reminding viewers it’s not what he did, it’s how he did it and what that says about him. http://people.com/tv/jason-mesnick-ex-melissa-rycroft-drags-bachelor-arie-luyendyk-jr/

everything Melissa said was on point. The comparison between Jason and Arie are totally false. Just because they had a "Switcharoo" does not mean that it's the same situation because they are not the same people. The way Jason handled things is completely different from Arie in every way.

Arie DID NOT talk to Jason beforehand. Molly said it in a tweet and RS confirmed. I used to love People magazine but they are now just as crappy at facts as any of the other rags.

Did you honestly expect more? And can we all take a moment to really appreciate that "sock gate" is a thing?!?

No lie, this season is honestly providing the most ridiculous and fun post-ATFR discussions ever. Typically discussions center around whether or not the couple truly loves one another or will stay together -- not this season! I think it is pretty unanimous that Lauren and Arie belong together for a variety of reasons (IMO). But it is all the "extra, extra, extra" stuff from an incredibly boring season that is making this hysterical...at least for me.