re and sub: Their Holganix ingredients, at least the ones you listed, are available in many other products and also available individually. So there are two qustions: 1) what is the cost of their product? and 2) do they have some miracle ingredient not available elsewhere?

In case you guys missed it today, someone from the company under the username "Holganix" posted this afternoon. His post and my reply have been deleted. I guess he must not have signed up as a sponsor.

He made some claims for his product and I suggested that on this forum he would be asked for some independent study to validate those claims.

Just look at the claims made on the website and it all becomes clear what a stretch they are. I see many of these new "organic" products making claims based on what is in the product, not the product itself. These products at times will use credible studies that are not in any way related to the product, misinterpret and misrepresent them, and incorrectly assume that if A leads to C, and A is contained within B, then B also leads to C.

......and incorrectly assume that if A leads to C, and A is contained within B, then B also leads to C.

Yes, I agree with Kiril, and that was what I said in another post: that we already know that some of his ingredients are useful. But, who knows about throwing them altogether in a witch's brew? And is the amount used of each ingredient significant in the whole? And what are the infamous "proprietary ingredients"?