Rookie QB Russell Wilson is a good game manager, but when you ask him to do more, he just can't get it done . . . as proven by his three interceptions on Sunday. If healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt Flynn inserted as the starter before the midway point of the season.

He obviously did not watch the game at all to blame those int's on him....

I'm pretty sure THAT point is brought up in other threads, the point here is Billick did some weak research before coming to his conclusion. We, as Seahawks fans, know that Wilson had a rough game, but Billick as an analyst should have at least watched some tape and realized that all three of those interceptions had mitigating circumstances and weren't coming out of being poorly thrown balls.

1) Baldwin had the catch and pretty much dropped it into the defense's arms instead of the ground upon being hit

2) His arm is hit during release, popping the ball up. This one could be argued to be his fault, but really, even pro bowl qb's have this happen occastionally.

3) The final interception was thrown to the right place on the field, but as he was throwing, the receiver tripped (either over himself or a defender, I couldn't DVR and re-watch the game since it wasn't aired locally)

Wilson may have a limited playbook and may still be a little slow reading the field, which is causing a lot of frustration offensively, but his accuracy is not the problem and Billick should really know better. Either he should take the time to actually analyze what he's giving analysis on or he should just not make the statement at all. It's lazy

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?

seedhawk wrote:Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?

Pretty sure every great and bad QB has had a 3 interception game in their career. Making a habit out of it is part of what distinguishes the bad from the good, but I'd hardly say 1 bad game in a players rookie campaign is proof that he can't be more than a game manager.

seedhawk wrote:Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?

Point here is that he did a crap job of analyzing RW's performance.

obviously, prolly wouldn't have printed it if he just stated he did his job to the same error every other QB in the league did, jeez have you seen some of those veterans performing? *cringe.gif*

Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.

Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.

SalishHawkFan wrote:Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.

I love how all the washed-up crappy ex-coaches are suddenly chiming in on the Seahawks. Who's next - Denny Green?? Eric Mangina?

Billick - you were a garbage coach and owe EVERYTHING to Belichick. You may fool the brainless American masses, but every Browns fan knows you rode Belichicks team to the SuperBowl and could never do squat on your own. That's why you have to sit around in a booth with guys like Matt Millen and Herm Edwards, pretending like you know something. FACT. The only time Billick ever looked good as a coach was on Hard Knocks.

And I'm less surprised by what Billick said than the fact he still has a job related to football. And it's true for Herm Edwards and Matt Millen, too. If any of them knew a single goddam thing about football, they'd still have a job in the NFL. But they were fired because they didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. And the entire rest of the NFL saw the level of their incompetence, so they ended up having to take a job outside their field. So honestly, anything they think about how a team should be run, I'd hope Carroll and Schneider would do the opposite.

SalishHawkFan wrote:Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.

Look again. He hesitated because a Rams player about halfway between the two of them was going to knock his pass down. So he sidestepped, and threw it. Yeah, he delayed, but if he doesn't, that pass gets nowhere near Baldwin. And don't bring up height on this one, the guy would have knocked down the pass of it was the tallest QB in the league throwing it.

I doubt anyone really contends that he sucks right now. I am one of this biggest Wilson supporters. This is the one guy I wanted in the draft. That being said, it is very difficult to watch these "growing pains." I feel like if we just had a touch more out of the QB, this team is a real contender. I just hope he figures it out sooner than later. I have faith he will.... Yeah... He will....

Bottom line is that he is playing very poorly right now. We all can see it, even if we don't want to admit it. At this point, it doesn't matter what any analyst or message board poster says about him. Either he plays better and the hawks get some wins, or he continues to play poorly and the hawks lose and hopefully make a change.

The point, I think, was that blaming RW's struggles on his rookie QB status would be more convincing if there were any rookie QB playing worse than RW.

Brandon Weeden? There is more to a Qb than simple passing yards, especially desperation yards near the end of games.

Yes, there is.

Have you watched Weeden play? He's gotten better each week, though I really don't think he'll be that good in the end.

RW, on the other hand, has regressed. As defenses realize he does not have the ability to throw short passes or step up into the pocket, he becomes easier to defend.

Weeden, Tannehill, RG3, and Luck are showing the ability to do new things each week, which makes them less predictable, and provides hope that they are going to get better.

Weeden has only Trent Richardson too. Wilson has many more weapons at his disposal, and yet Weeden is still playing far better than him IMO. Take away his first game which was ugly, and his last 3 look very good:

I'm amazed at how many people take criticism of Wilson almost personally in here, lashing out at others and people like Billick who are doing nothing more than stating the obvious........Wilson is. Not. Playing. Well.

Are you Russell apologist defending him because he's a rookie? Must be cause if this was Flynn or T-Jack throwing up these horrible passing numbers, you'd all be screaming for change.

Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm amazed at how many people take criticism of Wilson almost personally in here, lashing out at others and people like Billick who are doing nothing more than stating the obvious........Wilson is. Not. Playing. Well.

Are you Russell apologist defending him because he's a rookie? Must be cause if this was Flynn or T-Jack throwing up these horrible passing numbers, you'd all be screaming for change.

Seahawk fans (not Russell apologists, condescension drips off that and you know it) who like Russell like him because of his potential. Do you imagine during Peyton Manning's rookie season some Colts fans were saying he was Not. Playing. Well? Because he wasn't.

Stop basing your opinion purely on results, and start examining the process. You will have more fun, maybe even a bit more hope.

You're right.. without Bill Belichick sucking, the team wouldn't have drafted Ray Lewis and then... added a ton of other pieces the following FIVE years

Belichick created Billick. The end.

My response to this got erased in the "blackout". I always assumed you were a contrarian because you disagreed with how Pete ran things, but now I see it might just be your personality.

Bill Belichick and Ozzie Newsome had zeroed in on Ray Lewis during Bill's last season in Cleveland. Bill's Cleveland team was leading the division when the move to Baltimore was announced, then his team tanked. Ozzie Newsome to this day gives Bill all the credit for showing him how to draft players.

Now I realize that looking this kind of stuff up is time consuming and doesn't serve your argument. It certainly would cut into your passive aggressive schtick and ruin your snark, but you would be smarter. Maybe, right before you post, you could think about the old NBC public service announcement, "the more you know".