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[This the source script for Negarit 74—it’s written in a simple spoken words style for casual delivery.]

ALL PEOPLE deserve stability, and Eritreans have struggled the longest time in pursuit of that. It has suffered for centuries to attain freedom and stability. However, when the Eritreans finally achieved independence, the country was hijacked by one person who has been mistreating them for decades.

In addition, as if what Eritreans went through is not enough, they are being agitated and pushed towards a new wave of confrontation and bloodshed. We are also witnessing TPLF bravados threatening to cut the dictator’s hands. Sadly, if a conflict is ignited at the borders, both Eritreans and Tigrayans will be exposed to its fires. Today’s Negarit 73 will address this looming, scary crisis as well as the controversy that is raging around Awel Said’s poem..

It’s of paramount importance that both peoples tell their leaders to tone down; only the people can guarantee their safety and establish peaceful coexistence.

The foolish Eritrean leader, Abi Argen, has not quenched his thirst for more blood, which he has always satiated by sacrificing the people he despises.

It has been 45 years since he started his confrontation with the TPLF, the leaders of Tigray. And in his attempt to get even with them in his personal mission of vendetta, he is likely to push Eritreans into a fresh cycle of wars. Twenty years ago, a confrontation that had the village of Badme as the flashpoint, cause the death and incapacitation of many innocent Ethiopian and Eritrean youth. However, Abi Argen didn’t feel any of that, but he shamelessly declared “we lost nothing”! His arrogance has reached his nose tips and he still refers Eritreans and his country in the third-person. He never referred to Eritrea as ‘our country’ but “this country”. He never referred to the people as ‘my people’ or ‘our people’, but “these people.” In short, he considers Eritrea as his private ranch and its people as his serfs. Worse, as the people are hoping for peace to reign in the region, he continues with the attitude agitating for more confrontation with the TPLF—a war in which the people will be used as fuel.

The TPLF leaders are still threatening to teach him a lesson. However, they are collaborators in elongating the suffering of the people because they have failed to resolve the long standing border issue on which the Ethiopian-Eritrean border commission ruled in the Hague. Any sane person would have though, after two decades, the case would come to rest. If the TPLF leaders love and respect Eritreans as they often declare, they should bring the border case to an end. But so far both leaders failed to do so and it’s time to hand over the border case to the residents of the conflict region…they know their land, their villages, their farms and they will definitely find a resolution to the problem.

So far, the last war has denied the people meaningful development as they are still ling an unstable life, denied a normal life, surviving in abhorring situation after 20 years of their lives were stolen due to the leaders’ personal; grudges. And now, instead of learning from. The mistakes of the past war, cadres of both regimes are agitation for a repeat of that tragedy. The last time the people failed to prevent that because they were drunk with the spirit of sloganeering and encouraging the leaders to take them to the slaughterhouse. This time, they have to reject the war in unison. They should challenge the leaders to follow a peaceful means to resolve the crisis. If not, the leaders’ thirst for blood will never be quenched. The people should not cheer any clownish performance, such as they did at the flirting ceremony between Abi Argen and Abiy Ahmed.

Importantly, Eritreans need to end Abi Argen’s gambling with the life of the people. And from the ashes of the present regime, a new system that respects the rule of law and is restrained by the laws of the land should be established. And for the people of the region to live in peace, the ambitions, vindictiveness, and insanity of the leaders must be controlled. But Eritreas have an observation on the attitudes of the Tigray elite.

The main defining attitude of Tigrayans towards Eritrea and vice versa, is the often remembered primordial bias and grudge against each other. That must end.

Between 2008 and 2011, I met many top leaders of the TPLF. Today, I think the noble value that many of them carried from the struggle era is eroded. Progressive, peaceful messages have been replaced by worrisome conflicting statements. For instance, the aggressive statements by General Tsadqan who openly calls for war to secure Assab even by force.

I am afraid many some are also stuck in the in an experience that ended forty years ago. We know that history is written by the victorious and that is why TPLF leaders are accusing the ELF of collaborating with the Arabs and interfering in their affairs. But they forget the ELF was primarily targeted by the Arab Saudi Arabia, which created the perception that the ELF was a “communist” organization that must be finished off. That was accomplished that through a conspiracy between the Saudis and Numeiri of Sudan. Worse, the military executioners were the EPLF, the precursor of the present rulers of Eritrea (PFDJ) and the TPLF, the rulers of Tigray who are smearing the noble struggle of the ELF. They are the conspirators who are now peddling their destructive actions as an altruistic mission! But an executioner cannot be a credible witness in a case in which he is the main culprit. But this episode is not on that epoch, let’s leave it for another time

Aboy Sebhat said that the Tigray-Tigrigna crowd are Banda, and I fully agree with him on that. But I do not like using that term since I know how the supremacists (Neftegnas) of Ethiopia use it. We can call them Militia Sernay (Wheat Militia).

Awel The “Jeberti”

Now we come to the current punching bag— Awel Said, the Jeberti! I am mentioning his group affiliation because that is what the few bigots are picking on. A decent criticism of Awel as a public figure on his own right, as an exceptionally talented poet, an accomplished artist, is valid. When one is in the public sphere, criticism comes with the territory. But defining an individual based on his group affiliation, be it religious, nationality, or region, and not on views and actual actions, is bigotry.

But where does that never-ending victimization of Jeberti come from? It has its origin in the Abyssinian indoctrination of anti-Muslim rhetoric that has been going on for centuries. This issue embarrasses me because I spent my life struggling for all Eritreans. And many criticize me of ignoring the Jeberti vilification because I don’t usually raise their issues as I do when others are vilified. I don’t do that because the Jeberti do not need my defense, or the defense of anyone else for that matter. What should be known about them is that they never betrayed Eritrea, never collaborated with its successive enemies. They are known for always focusing and pursuing a civil, pious, and virtuous life. They strive to sustain themselves by becoming excellent businesspeople, cooperative, aspiring to achieve education, to acquire skills that help them earn an honest living and prevents them from want. It’s natural that their character attracts envy, jealousy and enmity by the bigots. They do not need my defense.

On this occasion, let me remind you of something significant. All Eritreans have a warrior culture–not the Jeberti, unless marginally influenced by the people among whom they live. They are the only group who does not have sword and spear dances in their wedding and other celebrations. Theirs is a simple culture, mainly influenced by Sufism. They are obsessed with diligently spreading peace. That makes them appear different from the culture of war, which they abhor because they have historically suffered the most from it. They are overly patient. Culturally they understand the essence and importance of respecting diversity and coexistence because they abhor mayhem and bloodshed. If that is a negative aspect of humanity, anyone who feels they should be insulted on those characteristics, their insults are welcome.

However, they have the ability to protect themselves—they have their glossed over history in the long struggle for Eritrean independence, never left their ranks, spied, or betrayed their colleagues. And they also know how to forge alliances with clean, honest and just people. And that has become the main points on which they are attacked, in a Carl Rovian method of trying to turn their strength into a weakness.

Awel the Artist

I heard of Awel a while ago; I watched one of his recitals. However, his latest performance, and his moving poem is just magnificent—if not for anything, for the way he delivers it.

I admire and enjoy poetry, giants like Wedi Bashay, able poets like Kiros, and many others. I consider them the holders of the Legacy of Echet Henna who disappeared in Keren in 1977, wed Amir, and the unmatched poetry of Akelu Guzai that has produced many orators—that should be kept alive. Awel is a fine poet and his delivery is the best I have heard so far.

His crime? Some in the justice camp might have expected him to shout “Down-Down Isaias” from the stage while performing inside Eritrea! Maybe they want everyone to leave Eritrea so that he can be accepted by them! What if he doesn’t want to leave his country, is that a crime? Okay, a tiny fraction of Eritreans left to join the struggle for independence, but the rest stayed in their country—where they treasonous?

I wish everybody stayed at home. I wish they find a way to stay inside. And I wish those inside would act to make Eritrea livable, accepting all its children who are exiled involuntarily or forcefully. For myself, I do not wish anyone to return to an empty Eritrea but one that is crowded with its people. And I do not admire those who think they are the only patriots simply because they fled Eritrea. That is not a carte blanche of patriotism—people are judged by what they are doing about the Eritrean predicament. And if they are not doing anything, are they harming Eritrea? Still, if they are benign (not in the ranks of the nHna Nsu crowd), I have no problem with them. We should focus on those who are jailing and mistreating our people, and encourage the rest to act from inside Eritrea. They do not need to leave their country just to be accepted by some egoistic diaspora, they are Eritreans where ever they chose to stay.

Awel, I wish you would produce more inspiring patriotic poems, though I would like you to distance yourself from any message that agitates for more confrontation among Eritreans, whatever their position. I wish you would tone down on the “Weyane” rhetoric because war is destructive and we are still crippled by the outcome of the last war. WE shed enough blood and that should be enough. Don’t badmouth your compatriots because they are not in line with the regime of Abi Argen. Don’t undermine those who are struggling against injustice to the best of their ability. Indeed Yiakl. Yiakl for injustice. Yiakl for warmongering. Yiakl for disunity. ENOUGH to regionalism, sectarianism, and clannish segregation. I wish you would echo the victims call for justice. Please produce more patriotic, sane, peaceful, and inspiring poetry that unites the people—the division of today is artificially sustained to elongate the power grip by a few. We love our country and people. As for me, I think I love my country and people more that anybody else walking. But that is me.

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world.
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This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted.
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Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court.
Simply Echoes
A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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Nitricc

Hi All; If I was an authority figure in Eritrea; I would have pushed a change in the drafted constitution or all together a brand new one. I want the Eritrean citizenship requirement to be looked and scrutinized. Who is Eritrean? what are the requirements for one to be Eritrean? I know what is in the old and un implemented constitution say; but I want that to be chanced. Again I ask who is Eritrean and the Real Eritrean?

Berhe Y

Hi Nitricc,

I don’t want to go in a long debate, but honestly, it’s not a problem with the constitution or who is doing harm to Eritrea. I think it boils down, to one person, that is the president of Eritrea who has been absent from real leadership.

As long as he is the president, I don’t think nothing changes, if it does it’s for the worst.

Berhe

Nitricc

Hi Berhe; it is time to move on from the president. When I say that I am saying that he has done what he thought was right and he has his time buy nature will take its course. So, forget about the president, it is time to think Eritrea after him. Eritrea needs to change the citizenship requirement to more strict. I see a lot of danger by fake Eritreans.

Amanuel Hidrat

Hi Nitricc,

This is the first time to agree with you, and that is, to have a “new constitution” that brings all Eritreans together, a document that will be respected and defended by all citizen. A big chunk of our society was secluded from the process that could change the content of the document, from the nature of the government to the nature of citizen’s right in the decision making the fate of our nation. In short except the bill of rights, the whole content of the document should be overhauled to reflect the desire of our multicultural society. The document was tailored to serve to the ruling party. It is time to remove our despot and come with new document that unit this hard working society and transform it to a new are that usher peace, stability, and prosperity.

Nitricc

This is where my admiration comes to the government of Eritrea. When they take action, they just do. They ask permission of no one and take orders none. Now read this bold and to the point!!! they tell you as is.

4) Visitors who originate directly from, or who have transited through, China, Italy, South Korea and Iran will be quarantined.
tMinistry of Health
Asmara
11 March 2020

Abi

Hello General
I’m confused
Is the ministry of health in Asmara?
And the ministry use “ quarantined “ instead of kiwushebu”

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi,
I was thinking the same and it is unfortunately funny.
There is no REAL ministry of Health. The fake Mehandis of Adi halo is the minster of everything.
Why do you think people referred to Sudan or to your country?
BTW, that word is from BBC Tigrigna Tigray not BBC Tigrigna Eritrea.
Even if it was that word invented by Eritrea, is that a thing to be happy? Are we living in a stone age?

Hashela

Selam Mehandis

Regarding the resident of Adi halo. What is the correct title. Failed Mehandis of fake Mehandis?

bardavidi

Hi…..You guys need to update yourselves………Adi-Hallo was in the past when his most Trusted Lieutenant Abraham Kassa was in charge and all seemed well……….Now he is in a Retreat mode………Down in the outskirts of Massawa around Imba-Gedem Plateau…….with quick access to a run -way…….Readying himself to Bail-out when the Inevitable comes……….He has run out of the Yes-Sir types due to their poor health and Death………No spare parts for Replacement of crooks………….Selah

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Selamat Dr. Hashela,
I would go with fake Mehandis, since he has never been Mehandis, when it comes to any civil engineering.
However, he is a Failed Mehandis when it comes lead the country.

Abi

Hello Hashela and MM
How about Field Mehandis?

What is “ social engineering “ in Amharic or Tigrinya?
That should be the correct title for Isu.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Ras Abi,

In Tigrigna:
Social engineering= ሕብረተ-ሰብኣዊ ህንደሳ

In Amharic: you better come out yourself with it.

Abi

Selam Ato Amanuel
I have no idea at all. May be the young generation know the right terminology.
ሕብረተሰባዊ ህነፃ ልበለው ከእርስዎ ተውሼ?

Actually, he is an atmospheric scientist with a specialization in tornado research. In Tigrinya, we call it
ዘራጊቶ

Abi

Hello Hashela
በጃካ ብገረንችኤል አትምፃብኝ
So the question should Ethiopians consider it a tornado warning every time Isu visits Ethiopia?
Kind of worried.

Hashela

Abi

Too late. The damage is done

Nitricc

Hi all; I got a question; I was listening to the tebtabaw TPLF thug by the name corrupted Siye Abraha; why is he talking I Amharic? They are so stupid. That a hole, got a wealthy life yet, he is giving speech in Amharic. He is saying we will never go to war with Eritrea because I know war. Lol coward, the shut your stinking mouth. I wish I can post the link. The Tigrayans are the most lost people.

Sultan M.G.

Come Gen!
I know that u r a better General than both generals in question.
Even though I do not trust Siyye at all ( all of them) , I give him and Dr Arkebe a credit for publicly stating what they did.
Siyye was more sinister and dangerous than Ghebre-Chadkan!
He forecasted and wished the war with Eritrea in 1994-1995 by saying” The only remaining war is the one on the north(Eritrea)!

sara

Dear awtistas,,,,, few years ago in this forum there was a fears debate about eritrea and eritreans…. as we see it again this days…… could it be a coincidence that some names from those days are now again spewing the same negativity about er with a different tone…i.e
samuel wrote……
YG is brilliant writer, thinker and advocate of the truth. Eritrea is nothing but a mistake concocted by Italian colonialists. It is a fake Italian country with an Italian name. We should all be gratefull to have out of the box thinkers, unique individuals and agitators who don’t shy away to rebell against the established and fanatically brainwashed ideas of the majority event if it means ridicule and being called traitor.
and guess who up-voted him… some one named Paul.

Peace!

Hi Sara,

How dare you to come up with that observation, please have some wisdom:)

Peace!

sara

selamat Peace ,
we are here since long to observe who is who and what they are up-to,
dont you remember the famous saying by our wedi ere Hegel, when he said
“NO BODY is going to trust the IDENTITY- CONFUSED people we pretend to admire”.how can i miss them when they are visibly in-front of us.

Hashela

Hi Sara

“NO BODY is going to trust the IDENTITY- CONFUSED people we pretend to admire”

This captures perfectly my sentiment of certain people who regularly flood this forum with
– pseudo-history of Ethiopia and glorification of their warlords.
– demeaning our heroic history and demonization of heroes/heroines
– science that lacks depth and accuracy

sara

selamam Hashela,
through out our liberation struggle days they used to tell the world
they want to sell Eritrea to Arabs bla bla… that translates to belittling our just cause and the out come is as we know now history.. this days we hear and read that DIA is going to sell us to who ever is bidding .i know this is a form of psychological war on us but, i am astonished when some of us buy such crazy ideas.
eritrea is full of heroes and heroins and a very resilient people and
who endured 60 plus years struggle for peaceful united and sovereign country despite all the odds.
no eritrean who ever he is has no power to change the sovereignty and wish of the Eritrean people come rain or shine.

Hashela

ሳላም ሓራስ ነብሪ

Throughout our history we had and have Eritreans who covertly and overtly betrayed Eritrea by working with those who rejoice and thrive by the sight of our misery and pains. This was the case during our independence struggle, during the TPLF war. It is one thing to abandon the struggle and calmly retreat to a private life, but undermining and actively working against Eritrea and its existence as an independent nation is another thing.

With a heavy price paid by her daughters and sons, Eritrea emerged victorious. Eritrea is independent and her border is precisely demarcated. It is the pain of defeat that makes these bitter people rejoice whenever Eritrea shows some little signs of afterbirth pain. We have to tolerate that an Eritrean website provides an asylum to these miserable people with an identity crises. With the power of their organization (TPLF) radically reduced and deprived of an limited looting access to Ethiopia’s wealth, there is nothing they can do but reveal their defeated mindset.

sara

selamat- Hashela, ,,,, kulu z’xahafkayo Nebibeyo….. G’n
as we are on the yiakil,, kifaya enough mode.. this also applies to those who
came here long ago to to defame our ghedli/sawra ….and
left defeated…. now again again i suspect they are back with tricky
stories to agitate against eritreans and eritrea , but this also shall pass ,
you said we have to tolerate …….my other worry is, this respected forum will not face the fate of asmarino that ended being play ground of y.g et al.

Hashela

Hi Sara

You are right, it requires a concerted effort of all Eritreans that ደንበ Awate does not become ደንበ Alula. TPLFites flood this website with a daily and lengthy sermon of their engel Alula, a warlord who caused immeasurable damages and pain in the Highland and Lowland of Eritrea. Because TPLFites and Derg-remanant successfully demonized and chased away many knowledgeable and decent Eritreans and Ethiopians from this forum, their daily attacks on Eritrea and Eritrean history remain often unchallenged.

Paulos

Sara,

Samuel was right. The Nation-State–Eritrea was carved out of Ethiopia in 1890. That is the fact. Prior to that, there was no Eritrea but a geographic reality—part and parcel of Ethiopia. You can not change the historic fact based on lies, deceit and cheat. What of the Lowlands you might ask on a “gotta nirvana.” It was mainly with in Sudanese cultural sphere. You need to live with this bitter reality and if you are going to come out of the dreadful predicament, again you need to accept the historical facts!

Hey P: I have no idea what the point might be but all African countries were curved out of somewhere due to colonization. So, I don’t see what the point is? the reality is Eritrea is a nation same as Ethiopia. the end of the story. Just demarcate the border and that is all there is to it.

Hashela

Hi Nitricc

The border is demarcated. What will come sooner or later is that TPLF will have to hand over the occupied territories and the Tigrayan settlers will have to be relocated to where they came originally from.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Doctore,

The border is not demarcated. It is only delineated so far. Until the markers or pillars are place on the ground, it isn’t. In case you are referring the often told “virtual demarcation” it is not real demarcation.

Virtual demarcation = Delineation

Paulos

Nitrikay,

Absolutely! Eritrea is an independent and sovereign nation including Badime which is under Ethiopian occupation.

My problem is with the people who deny the facts of history where there was no a nation or state called Eritrea prior to 1890. Eritrean identity was borne out during the Italian colony that had spanned for almost sixty years and the incompetent Ethiopian rulers including the King and the Colonel denied the Eritrean people their choice for independence and as Berhino put it, through a heroic feat, they achieved their independence. It is as simple as that.

Berhe Y

Hi Paulo,

Eritrean people by their blood, bones and life as well as through the ballet box have established a country called Eritrea, equal among nations in Africa and the world. Soon

I think it would be easy if there are any Eritreans (0.02% of the eligible vote during referendum, and any left over from Deqi Alula or any other Eritrean who needs to be part and parcel of the Tigray kingdom) should pack and leave Eritrea for those of us who are Eritreans. If they believe that Eritrea belongs to them and should belong to Tigray, they just have to keep dreaming for eternity.

Sarina,

I don’t think we need to lose sleep from those Eritreans, who are “nebsa mis Ertra liba mis Tigray”.

Samuel,
I take what you said above that Sara quoted in good faith and I want to give you my honest opinion and my best wishes as an Eritrean.

I will not dwell on the historical aspects of your arguments (Eritrea is Italian created fake entity etc) as many intelligent people have made better arguments so there is nothing to add.

Let’s agree that we were one country, just for arguments sake. We are were we are today, almost 130 years later. What are you suggesting that we do? I think you are saying the following:

Let’s get some eraser, erase our boarders, erase the price we paid, erase the people who sacrificed their use, their future so that our generation and the next generation to live in peace in their own homes and managing their own affairs.

Let me tell you something. I don’t know who are talking and what you think that you know about the Eritrean people. Every house hold every city, every family unfortunately have learned the hard-way, that being with Ethiopia, before Italy or being with Ethiopia after Italy or being neighbour with Ethiopia after our independence has nothing but a curse .

Just because we are going through hard time because we have a president and his close advisors who have the sentiment of “Deqi alula” do not underestimate the burning rage to be a free country and free people within every Eritrean.

My wishes:
There was these Deqi tegaru video that I saw a couple of weeks ago. Among them, there was a guy named (Yosief Ghebrihiwet / not the same Yosief from Asmarino) but another Yosief from the YouTube channel J-Studio. He is former member of the Agazian group. He said “we are Tigray north of mereb are ready to unite with Tigray south of Mereb. The problem is the TPLF (south of mereb) is not ready to join us”.

There was another Tigrayan, who I don’t remover his name, but who is from south of Mereb. He challenged him like this “What you are suggesting, control of Red Sea and what are we suppose to do with people,who wanted to remain independent? Are you suggesting we pushed them over to the sea? And for what purpose?”

He went on and said, I have have masters in transportation. What we are gaining in your world is access to sea. With today technology advancement and if we focus on positive existence we are talking about only 4 hours away (that’s today). Why is this a problem for our development and for our future?

If we see the continental US as an example, what’s preventing the development of those Midwest states who do not have access to the sea?

The best scenario is to live in peace and to make peace so that we all can prosper.

And I think that’s my wish as an Eritrean so that we make peace and live in peace and open our world to see what’s possible without trying to subjugate and force anyone.

Otherwise, I think you are playing with fire and I don’t know what future you want to leave the next generation.

Don’t be fool by the problems Eritrea has today. We are technically, one breath away from achieving our democratic institutions.

Berhe

Abi

Hawna Berhe
You still talk proudly about the fake referendum.

Paulos

Abination,

I disagree! The referendum was authentic as they come. I voted for independence! I would still do.

Abi

Paul
I strongly disagree.
-No options
-Meles Extremely rushed the process before Isu changes his mind.
-You were desperately drunk to think
Haile Menqorios ( the Ethiopian—American—Eritrean — South African—-) when he was your ambassador was busy preaching the drunk Eritreans እኛ የተዋጋነው ለባርነት አይደለም:: Of course no body vote for ባርነት:: Wait a minute! I think you did.
Basically you are saying Isu and his party did everything wrong for the last 29 years and counting
except the referendum? How is that possible? Nah, the referendum thingy was as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

Bring it on guys
I love it when it is Abination VS Awatenation.
Anybody watching the champions league?

Nitricc

Hey Abiy; I can understand the fleeing. When Merely 3 million brave people disposed you like trash and leave land locked, I understand the fleeing, so I got you. But fair is fair and you should at least admire and respect the resolution of the brave people of Eritrea. Let assume that Eritrea was part of Ethiopia but how is possible 3 million people not only give a bloody nose to 100 million people but left them land-locked? You should start from that point of view to understand the brave people of Eritrea. Now, what was your point? I forgot. Like the day light haina, the crying general told the truth. Your chance was between 1998-2000 because, in your history, you will never be as united as powerful as you were 1998 to 2000 and still the brave people left you in the dust. The choices are only two, let’s live in mutual respect and in economic growth or like you have done in your history, waste your use in the mountains of Eritrea. The choice is yours, Eritreans already know they must sleep with one eye opened.

Abi

Hello General
As expected you got it all wrong.
Here we are talking about the fake referendum.
Now, you have lost the little credibility you had when you refused to visit the country you talk about day and night.

Nitricc

Hey Abiy; when people they don’t even the country could talk day in, day out that should tell you the mentality of the people. Can you imagine what they feel and think people who know the country? Slow day huh.

Abi

Hello General
Nah, never slow day when I am around. I give life for those slow people.
Those who know the country are running away from it.
Those who don’t know the country except on the map are refusing to visit.

Nitricc

Hey Abiy; why don’t you pick up your arm and head to Eritrea and see who will show up. Talk is cheap. Like I said, the choice is clear, let’s live in peace or let’s go and slug it out. Your problem is that you don’t learn from your history. There is one thing, there is Eritrea and shall live for ever. There is a saying, while the camel is marching the dog keeps…..you know. Come to your sense and think peace. If not come down, we shall do our best hospitality.

Kokhob Selam

Dear Nitricc,

“let’s live in peace ..” Yes ..Nice but again you destroy it “…or let’s go and slug it out” See, it is not only Ethiopians, But we Eritreans we all mess it going back to that ugly war is not that good..We are for peace all and let us be optimistic to see peace in the world..

I am now remembering the past, sorry of all our past history it all not important. First part is gone now.. we should not go back just for the sake of remembering..

KS,,

Nitricc

KS: we should be aspiring for peace but more importantly, we should be ready for war. Our neighbors are wild animals and back wards. Don’t be gullible.

Abi

Hello General
If I get armed show up in Eritrea I know who will show up.
እባክህ ችግር ውስጥ አትጣለኝ:: I’m armed and happily married.

Paulos

Abination,

To your point, in his latest interview, Aboy Sibhat said, in the early 90s, him and other hot shot Weyanes were approached by a high level American and a Sudanese General saying that, Isaias would agree to drop independence if he is offered the Presidency [of Ethiopia] but the Weyanes said they can only agree if the desire to join Ethiopia comes from the Eritrean people. Guess who is being accused of betrayal in this Forum by confused and clueless folks? The Weyanes!

Abi

Paul
I have said it many times that it is the weyanes who pushed Isu out of Ethiopia. He always wanted to be Ethiopian President. Isu was the first one to be deported from Ethiopia.
Now, the question remains do the woyanes refused the proposal due to their principles and wanted the Eritrean public have a say on the issue OR they didn’t want Isu to rule over them?
during the early days of the independence, meles , Seyoum, siye , tamrat and some more tplf big shots were die hard independence advocates.
መለስ ኤርትራን ሲሸኝ ከነጎጆ መውጫዋ እኮ ነው::

Sultan M.G.

Selam Dr Paulos:

How can we trust the flip-flopping and untrustworthy Weyenti?
I wish you can read and listen to the controversial Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie about the poisonous agenda and tactics of the TPLF .
The Good Prof alleged and argued that very reason the TPLF rushed into accepting the zero Independence was to prepare the ground for Abay Tigrai Republic as plan B in case things do not go well with Ethiopia.
YOUR “visionary Leader”, PMMZ, clears confirmed the above premise or agenda by saying”We didn’t want them to go away completely but to keep them closer thru a certain form of a Federal Arrangement”!
I know that Paul Henz and Mizinghu Asst Secretary Hermon Cohen were involved in such dirty arrangement behind the scene by trying to convince IA in London when the EPLF was ready to overrun Addis and Asmera ;or is after the EPLF captured both cities ?

If the TPLF or PMMZ was really honest about respecting the Eritrean Independence, he should not have said and done what he said and did.

Listen to an a brilliant Amhara lady :
“ Be Tigrinya “we are brothers” Yiliwachewal Eritrawiyan is be Amarigna ghin “we will take over Aseb yilalu”!
“And this is by design.”,she added!

Paulos

Selam Sultan,

ናታትኩም ነገር መትሓዚ ስኢነሉ! Really! The other guy said, the reason the Mereb river is put forward by nature is an indication that the people North of the Mereb have always been distinct people. That is the most stupid thing I have ever read in this Forum and here you are saying that the reason Meles rushed in accepting Eritrean independence was to prepare the ground for “ትግራይ-ትግርኚ.” Are you people for real?

Here is the deal: For all practical reasons, at heart Meles wanted Eritrea to remain with in Ethiopia. Isaias, however, argued that anti-Ethiopian feeling among Eritreans made compromise impossible. He had intended to declare independence as soon as the Dergue collapsed but that would have confronted the international community with a fait accompli and deprived the ELF of an issue.

Meles hoped to forge as broad a coalition as possible as a basis for a transitional government in Addis Ababa. He wanted to avoid, or at least have time to minimize and neutralize, the strong opposition of Ethiopians in the center of the country to the loss of Eritrea. He wanted the EPLF to participate in the formation of the transitional government and offered a concession, in turn, of agreeing in advance to a referendum on independence at a future date. Isaias delayed accepting this formula until the Dergue was in the verge of total collapse.

At the conference in London with Cohen present including TPLF leaders, Isaias accepted a two-year postponement of a referendum on Eritrean Independence.

Here are some possible scenarios and factors that influenced Isaias to postpone the independence referendum:

I. Realization that the major Western governments would in all likelihood refrain from recognizing Eritrean independence if it were declared unilaterally even with a hastily organized plebiscite, while recognition by radical Arab countries be counterproductive Eritrea’s long term interests.

II. Lack of enthusiasm among other African countries for Eritrean independence because of the precedent it might set for separatist movements elsewhere in Africa.

III. A desire to have a referendum supervised and legitimized by the UN, inasmuch as the UN had sponsored Federation of Eritrea with Ethiopia in 1952.

IV. Willingness to facilitate peaceful transition and stability in the rest of Ethiopia by cooperating with the EPRDF.

V. Recognition that the severely strained strained Eritrean population would need continuing emergency relief and that for full economic recovery Eritrea would have to cultivate cooperative relations with the major Western countries and international lending organizations, as well as with Ethiopia—objectives which defiance of the US, other Western countries, and the UN could jeopardize.

Haile S.

Selam Hawino,

This is a joke from our childhood reminded by your time to time usage of ንስኻትኩም, ናታትኩም.

King Haileselassie was visiting Queen Elizabeth (QE) in UK. One day during his stay, he wanted to talk and knocked at her office. QE replied who is knocking. HS answered, እኛ ነን (it is us, as he always talks in plural). And QE replied, come-in one by one please! Cheers

Paulos

Sure thing man. Have fun!

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi
your objection is invalid, since you were not included in the equation. You were just an unhappy observer, as it should be.

Hawna Berhe
I’m almost always brain dead when I talk to you. I have to come up to your level.

I don’t need to compare and contrast before and after derg. You have told us how much you missed derg.

Berhe Y

Hi Abi,

I will drop out from arguing with you, so you can take on others. You are just inconvenience, what you write mean no harm.

You are like an annoying fly sometimes, when someone tries to take a nap, keeps “zeezing” around.

I need to focus on Paulo, who seems on a mission, to discount, demean and destroy anything Eritrean and Eritrean history with his talented and made up history lessons. I know I am no much.

Berhe

Abi

Hawna Berhe
You are the first casualty of a knockout punch. The noise ( zeezing) you hear when you take a nap is due to concussion.
You need to see Dr Paulo ASAP. Is he a neurologist?

The difference between you and Paulo is that he knows the history very well. All you know is a made up historical narrative. In other words it is called propaganda.
Expect another punch from him.

With love from Abination.
Next!

Paulos

Abination,

In reality, Berhino and I do not have much of a difference including in age where both us are in our early 50s. The only difference we seem to have is that, he is of the opinion that, the timing is not right to dig into Eritrean history where it can potentially refocus if not disrupt the ongoing struggle against the Eritrean regime. And I say, we have to remain true to our history If we are going to find a lasting and healthy solution to our perennial predicament.

It is unfortunate that he is accusing me of being a guy on a mission to destroy anything Eritrea. I don’t make up history but what I do is that I read and try to understand them even if they say things I don’t want to read or hear. I can not pretend to be that I am not lest I get isolated from the flock. That is not me.

Neurologist? It is one of the most boring and dry specialities in Medicine. Glad I am not. Do you know what is the coolest career in life? Being a leader of a nation!

Nietzsche had it right when he said, Science got underway by “slaves” in a bid to hide from the real challenges of life as in war and heroism. No wonder academics and intellectuals are timid and opportunists. I tend to agree. I don’t encourage my kids to do Sciences but to go into politics so that they become leaders one day.

Abi

Paul
You and I differ when it comes to science. My youngest is majoring in Biomedical Engineering. He wants to be a patent lawyer.

ገና ነዛ ዕድማ ብማንካ ዘየልዓልኩላ፡ ሓምሳታት ከተእትወኒ፡፡ ካብ ሎሚ አቱም አያ ቓውለስ ብለ ኢየ ዝጽወየካ፡፡ I honestly don’t have of any history that’s told with truth without having any “hidden agenda” behind it. Lately I feel like you are telling the history, with having a “hidden agenda” to divert the truth and the fact for other purpose. Since the fall of TPLF from grace, you have been [i feel] on a mission to find an alternative country for TPLF to rule over, which is Eritrea. And that’s the problem that I have when I read your “distorted” history where you “elevate” anything “Tigray / Ethiopia” and “undermine” Eritrea. I will give you an example. But before I get to that, I want you to comment, like you do with Tigrayan history of the following.

1) What do you know about the history of Raesi Woldemichael and how he was tricked and lied about by the “greatest general” that ever lived “Alula” and the emperior “Yohannes”.

2) What do at the battle of HazHaz and what happened to the “greatest general” brother BaraeE?

3) If Eritrea was curved out of Ethiopia by Italians, what do you make the boarder that existed naturally “Mereb” that run 440 KM between the two countries. Have any Ethiopian rules ever rule anywhere north of the boarder, specifically Hamasien and Serya region, until “the greatest general Alula” who lied Raesi Woldemichael and imprisoned him and occupied Eritrea. I don’t deny that Raesi Woldemicheal was an ally of Yohannes but by no means, Eritrea [highland] was under their rule.

4) The other day I asked you about the Kibre Negist “the greatest book that ever written, according to you” and if you think it’s based on facts. You said it doesn’t matter if fact or fiction but as long as Ethiopians treasure it, that’s all the matter. Now be honest? Have you met an Eritrea (other than Haile S.) who gives a sh…about this book? Like you I come from Orthodox family, and my uncles and great uncles are priests. With the exception at the church [that’s may be] there is no body who knows this book let alone to treasure it.

5) I asked you this before and I am asking you again, because you never got back to me. In the Eritrean kebesa, the rule of law “Higi endaba” is the supreme. Do you know if Tigray / Ethiopia has such law or they depend on the “greatest book of all time”, “kibre negest and fithi negest”. How on earth we are suppose to be part of them and at the same time, we have our own laws and constitution? In our Higi Endaba, there is no supreme being except the law and the person who intepret that law…

Now to give you an example of the exaggeration that you tell of the made up story of Ethiopia and how you go out of your way to discount that of Eritrea.

1) The Nation-State–Eritrea was carved out of Ethiopia in 1890. That is the fact. Prior to that, there was no Eritrea but a geographic reality—part and parcel of Ethiopia.

Which Ethiopian ruler have rules of Eritrea before 1890, with the exception of occupation of Alula. Like you said “You can not change the historic fact based on lies, deceit and cheat.” If you take his occupation as being rules by him, you might as well declare, Italy colonized Ethiopia, may be for eternity if it wasn’t for the British.

2) There was no palpable political consciousness during the Italian rule to speak of with in Eritreans, the political awareness started to kick in when the British took over in the early 40s
where Labour and Trade Unions including political parties started to emerge.

How is that possible, after the British entered Eritrea in 1941, all those political parties mushroomed over night, if there was no “political consciousness” in Eritrea prior to that. How is it possible? In 1940 there were a dozen parties in Eritrea, free press, etc..that we haven’t seen in Ethiopia in their 3000 years history..even today..what Eritrea had is 100 times better what they have. So what do you make of those Eritrean politicians who become parliamentarians in 1952…..if it was born during the 40s….where they have achieved all these poetical consciousness, the likes of Ibrahim Sultan, Woldeab Woldemariam, Tedla Bairu, Ras Tessema Asmerom, Abdulkadir Kebire and many others.”

4) One of the contrasting issue was that, the King personally appealed to Roosevelt to have a complete control over Eritrea and the US sided with the King when they needed a Communications center in Eritrea that would control the entire Horn including the Indian ocean [Kagnew Station.]

Kagnew station was already was taken over from the Italians (Radio Marina) in 1943. Haile Slassie or no Haile Slassie, there was no body who can deny them setting up the station. In reality what happened was, HS made a deal to get payments directed to him for the station.

5) When he went to Eritrea [Asrate Kassa] , he found out that, the military in Eritrea were vicious, corrupt and incompetent. And he opted to handle the Eritrean question through dialogue and started filling most of the high level positions in Eritrea with Eritreans including his deputy, Tesfa-Yohannes Berhe.

Are you kidding me? First of all the British military was in charge of Eritrea until 1958. Ethiopia military let alone to match that of British, it doesn’t exist at all. The Eritreans who were in charge of the army were trained by the British and they served well. True people such as Tedla Uqibit, because their sheer desire of power and trusting the King [out of good wish] fall short to see the danger the feudal king will bring. But Italian administration was fully in tact…and how is it possible that the backward feudal coming to Eritrea to reform the police / military that existed as a formal institution for years?

In conclusion, as far as Eritrea and our independence goes, there is nothing anyone can do about it. What I want is, these people from Tigray to leave us alone and mind their own business. There is absolutely nothing, nothing positive can be said about our experiences with Tigray, Amhara or rulers south of mereb [our boarder]. All your attempt to sell us this “great history” is going on deaf ears, because we lived it, we know it. I say, it’s better they accept this fact [you too] and try to build a common and prosperous future rather than trying to subjugate people with “false” narration. They will pay for it…and you are pushing them to the edge, by your deceiving narration. They need us more than we need them. End of story.

Berhe

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Berhe,

Very good argument and good questions. Keep up, brother.

Hashela

Selam Berhe

ጽቡቕ ዝሓወይ.
Silence is a fertile ground for lies and distortions. We need to break our silence when our history is falsified, our are Heroes are demonized, and the enemies of Eritrea are glorified.
With your emotional and accurate narration, you gave the right answers and challenge to the corrosive pseudo-historicism that Is plaguing this forum.

Thank you

Nitricc

I read it twice, thinking this can’t be the Berhe I know. I didn’t know you have it. Although; I take the credit for helping you to grow some balls between your legs and finally you did. lol One thing is for sure, I will never call you slow from this day on. Nice!!!

Hashela

Hi Nitricc

I love your Trumpian credit claim for everything that you consider as good.

Nitricc

Hey Hashela; I will tell a story about my father who never gives credit to anyone so, when ever I get something once in while I act in Trumpian way. It is true though; We have so many battles between me and Berhe; I sharpened and seasoned him. look at the argument he made; that is all me. lol

Hashela

Hi Nitricc

Being “economical’ with giving credit and acknowledgement is part of our culture, I guess.
My sister was very good in school. Instead giving her credit and praise, my father always told her “you can do better”!

Nitricc

Hi Hashela; I guess: my case is the opposite. Most of the time, I use my vacation to be with my family. Whenever I go home, there is a to do list right by the refrigerator waiting for me. I used to do it myself whatever they say to do, just got it done. But I got to the point I couldn’t and unwilling in to doing that staff anymore. So, I haired two young Latinos and they do a goo job. Whenever; my mother and father leave for work I pick up the phone and call the workers and everything is just fine. Last year I got caught. I was inside the house and I hear this commotion and stepped out of the house in to the yard, and I see my father interrogating this cool workers. I jumped in and explained to my father that I haired the workers and everything is just fine. He wasn’t happy at all. I said what is the problem? He responds by saying “but I told you to it”. I didn’t know how to respond to that answer and he left the house real unhappy. I realized that he
thinks I am still in high school while I turned the corner. On the other side; I have my younger sister she in medical school. Whenever she comes home, you can’t even turn up the music or the TV. Shhhhhhh, she is studying, she is sleeping and she doesn’t do anything. So, I am going to protest this unfair arrangement by not going home on my vacation. little story a break from politics.

Hashela

Hi Nitricc

Nothing is better than a personal story. Thank you

Berhe Y

Hi Nitricc,

Yes you deserve all the credit, although I don’t know what we are celebrating. Be prepared Paulo will come back with a vengeance.

Berhe

Nitricc

Hi Berhe; don’t worry, just let him read this……..

SINCLAIR OIL CORPORATION
630 FIFTH AVENUE
NEW YORK, N.Y.

September 27, 1945

The honorable James F. Byrnes
Secretary of state
Washington D.C.

Dear Mr. Secretary:

My company has only recently completed an agreement with the Imperial Ethiopian government for the development of petroleum in Ethiopia.

I feel rather certain that you, personally, have been informed with request to this agreement. Unfortunately, the country of Ethiopia is an inland country, with no direct water outlet for export shipping. Should we be successful in discovering oil, we would, of necessity, be required to construct adequate pipe line facilities from Ethiopia to a suitable seaport, as well as an export shipping terminal.

If we are to proceed with our development program in Ethiopia, it is of vital importance that Eritrea should be recognized as an integral part of Ethiopia, as we would have a suitable seaport outlet.

Our entire development program will seriously be delayed and affected should Eritrea be under the domination of any other power except Ethiopia. I, therefore, urgently request that your good offices support the demand of Ethiopia with respect to Eritrea.

For your personal information, I am attaching hereto photostatic copy of the supplemental agreement between my company and the Imperial Ethiopian Government, with respect to construction of pipe lines in outboard outlets, from which you will readily see the importance to this project of the acquisition of Eritrea by Ethiopia.

Very truly yours

Signed:

President

Berhe Y

Thank you Nitricc for sharing. This is the kind of information we need to put in our “Eritrean Museum of History” archives.

sara

ato berhe..selamat,
you see even the wording is appalling….. “acquisition of eritrea by ethiopia”…. just like a normal transaction of any property…
thanks Gen Nit.

Haile S.

Selam Berhe,

Abyssinian history is partly Eritrean history. I agree with what you justly said “….honestly don’t have of any problem with history that’s told with truth without having any “hidden agenda” behind it.”

Let me be “angel’s advocate”. I don’t mind to be satan standing for St Paul. Paul should be applauded for trying to honey coat the revisionist TPLFist Tigray-centric history that is sprouting here and there in reaction to what the TPLFites call themselves the revisionist history of ‘Amharanized’ Ethiopia. Paul deserves my (and others) bow for saying “menelik… separating the two people of the tigrigna ‘stock'”. You don’t hear that from those who are fortified in Mekelle. I heard on youtube an Eritrean in Mekelle saying “Menelik conspired with Italy to prevent Tigray from having access to the sea”. Paul didn’t quite say that. Even if what he says sounds suspicious, it is not the same. It is written in a diplomatic language. Our youtube guy could have added, furthermore Menelik himself (true) proposed Major Nerazzini (Italian envoy) to make the ‘Dankalia’ boundary 60 kms from the water front in order to prevent Tigray from Having access to the sea and to separate the single stock of Afar nation,, and Menelik didn’t claim Djibouti to prevent Tigray from Having access to the sea or again Menelik expanded to the south to take the center of governance away from the north. St Paul didn’t say all that! Therefore, he deserves our bow!
Finally if I have to implore St Paul in his future writings, please zoom out of the Tigraymania! It taints severely your true quest for Ethiopian history.

sara

selamat ato haile,
you know some of us are not proficient in English language and the
writing above that seems a court verdict or an arbitrary advice is
not easy to understand. kindly clarify in easy / simplified english.
with respect.

Haile S.

Selam Sara,

I was saying to Berhe, Ethiopian history and Eritrean history are intertwined and we have to accept this. (I will explain this in details as the discussion by Paulos continues, as necessary). And I continued with the following:
Paulos is presenting the TPLF way of telling Ethiopian history, in a way that is acceptable to Eritrean forumers. But it is not different that the Tigray-centered history that is popping out here and there. And I gave an example of the fallacious (wrong) nature of such historical presentation. I mentioned what an Eritrean residing in Mekelle said in an interview. This person said that Menelik signed to leave Eritrea to Italy in order to prevent Tigray from having access to the sea. Instead of just saying it was not true, I tried to show the fallacy of the reasoning by asking form of questions. If that was the reason, then did Menelik signed for the eastern part of Eritrea (Denkalia) to be 60 kms from the coast to prevent Tigray from having access to the sea and deliberately separate the Afars onto two? Did Menelik stopped from claiming back Djibouti (leaving Djibouti to France) in order to prevent Tigray from having access to the see? Did Menelik expand to the south in order to ignore Tigray? I was basically saying what we hear about Ethiopian and Eritrean history of the end of 19th century from Tigray is Tigray-oriented or centered propaganda and revisionist history told directly by TPLF and its elites, but presented in a palatable way, here at Awate by Paulos.
I hope this helps.

Paulos

Selam Haw,

Where did I say that, Menilik agreed to give away Eritrea to the Italians to prevent Tigrai from having an access to the sea? Can you kindly please show me the quote?

Abi

Paul
Haile is referring to an Interview by a certain Eritrean residing in Mekele.

Haile S.

Selam Haw,

You read me wrong. I didn’t say you said that. Here is what I said
“But it is not different that the Tigray-centered history that is popping out here and there. And I gave an example of the fallacious (wrong) nature of such historical presentation. I mentioned what an Eritrean residing in Mekelle said in an interview.”
By “it is not different”, I meant the historical narrative being Tigray centered and focused, not an equivalence between what you said and what the third person said. You are not the Eritrean residing in Mekelle.

sara

selamat Ato Haile,,
glad i asked , now it is clear-Thank you.

Haile S.

Selam Awate people,

Yesterday and the day before yesterday, I wasn’t sure that the video is there, to mention who the Eritrean who was preaching the Tigray-centered revisionist history I alluded to in my responses to Berhe and Sara. Finally I found the video. Here is from where I took the “Menelik signed to leave Eritrea to Italy in order to prevent Tigray from having access to the sea” part of the interview. For those who don’t want to hear the whole interview please start at 5 minute 30 seconds.

I take it for an insult when you insinuate that I come here with a hidden agenda. I am not. Please let’s have some respect for one another. As for the series of questions you presented, I will try to comment on them on the weekend, God willing that is.

Sultan M.G.

Bingo,Ustaz Berhe!
Didn’t know that u are an Expert in the Eritrean History!
Even Gen Nittric ADMIRED U and repented about his sins “on calling u with names”!
U know my position on the old new EPRP ( Eritrean Peoples Revolutionary Party)Leadership and I posted top 10 points boldly on this site about it.
Am a son and nephew of the ELF Founders:
1) Late Omer Ezaz
2) Late Tesfay Tekhle of Beghu/ ChiEtet:The ELF Top Commander and Mentor of PIA,who challenged stiffly the EPLF Brigades at Sahel and Halhal Fronts during our darkest and saddest moment in our history- during the civil war incident.
3)Late Michael Ghabir of Sequina!

4) Late Col ZerU BiEdu of Ghlas, top ELF and later PFDJ Security Officer, who was stoned to near death by none but the PFDJ death squad.
5)Ustaz Welde-Yesus Ammar, the Recruiter and Mentor of PIA
6)Ustaz Ghebru Gaim
Among others…
Except with Omar Ezaz,so lucky to have a-Face-to- Face conversation with all and get FIRST-Hand info, which I tried to share with you.

As a son and nephew of the above heroes,don’t expect King Sultan M. Ghender to be a PFDJ Apologist.
Welcome to the club,since u just stated what few of us here have stood for.

Abi

Hello Sultan
I just like to comment on your #4
You have already told us that story 4 times using 4 different names.

I am sure we have lots of history to write and tell, that’s why I want the place to be a history museum so we never forget. And who can resist a field trip to Massawa every once in while part of school project.

My personal opinion is, I don’t really care much about an individual achievement. It’s the collective wisdom and working together that moves mountains. We need an Eritrea which is just and governed by rule of law. And this type of person will have my support.

We really have unique opportunity to do so, I really do.

Berhe

Sultan M.G.

Exactly my point Ya Ustazna!
I am on RECORD suggesting for the last ten years for what you are lamenting about.
-An Unconditional National Reconciliation

-Creation of a UNITED ,Organized,well coordinated and FORMIDABLE FRONT of Justice Seekers along with a well coordinated United Association of The Eri Professionals,Intellectuals, Women,Youth , Students,Activists,Civic Societies ,Lawyers, Business Communitues,Inter-Religious(Faith)-Groups ,Parties to be led by and thru an accountable , transparent “Centralized Leadership Committee” !

-Creation of a United,Organized,Coordinated, Reliable and Independent Social and Mass Media

-Formation of an Independent, Neutral, Reliable , Transparent and Accountable Fund-raising Committee so as to avoid any external interference !!!

The YeAkil Movement has a huge potential to organize and coordinate such noble causes.

Basically, we need new and effective strategies ….. by learning hard lessons from our past bad abd good experiences!

Selam Sultan,
1. If you were given the mandate to separate this you consider weyane and their mercenaries, and those you consider patriots, how would you identify them? Do you have an objective formula or you perception and emotions?

2. When you quote something, please separate the quoted part and your views for the sake in integrity

3. Do you really know the people you mentioned, I mean know them very well, or it’s just hit and miss?

4. Thank you for profiling me with the lose you like but think maybe you are being unfair in praising and condemning people you have no clue where they stand

5. Yiakl is about getting together, about embracing people but you make it seem like a narrow whimsically prepared sift.

Wesehanka

Sultan M.G.

Selam back to you, Salih:
This comment of yours confirms to me the hellish experience I have gone thru at work that communication, perception and attitude play a big role in every business and social setting.

-WeyAnes and its Mercenaries are those,whom you effectively identified in your consecutive Sermons and Articles as of late.

“ If they walk like a duck and quack like a duck then they are ducks”!

You know exactly what I am talking about.
The Pseudo-opposition groups and individuals, who are sponsored by the WeyAne and sworn under oath to their demagogue god, the TPLF,to execute its agenda against Eritrea …. the AgAzians, the ghizAE mizAes…,etc… kottA any group or individual , who ask” How high when asked to jump”and, who repeat the TPLF litany against Eritrea and Eritreans.

-Did not support or condemn people I have no clue about …. These are well known Eritreans but/and if you are unhappy about your name being listed by “lose Sultan” , edit it buddy.

Am not trying to hide behind the names like SGJ ( as a certain Mehandisay said)or behind the names of Mahmuday and SAAY like u said it at one point.

– YeAkil was infiltrated by both the TPLF and the PFDJ expectedly and not surprisingly;and the very members and insiders of YeAkil testified to that effect and it has started to refine itself and to be more inclusive based on constructive criticisms from all corners….

Glad that you didn’t label the YeAkil Movement as another Winter or a Fall Project.

A Liability?

King Sultan has been consistently consistent with and persistent on his position and stand.
Criticizes those who should be criticized and gives credit to those,who deserve it.

Call it flip-flopping or “looseness”, that is who Sultan is and what he stands for.

If was the so called the Opposition,which at one point became its own liability and put us,Eritreans,at risk by dividing us … and by depending on our own enemy.

BTW,why did u “ ban” the Harbenya Sem Tesfay, Mahmuday and Prof Gheteb?
Coz they are PFDJ Apologists?
You see, that is what the YeAkil movement did initially by banning respected people like Amb Ande Woldeghiorghis and Gen Mesfin Hagos coz they condemned the TPLF and its evil agenda against Eritrea.

And you know those mercenaries and “Trusted Eritreans”, who signed under oath to execute the WeyAne agenda!!

You see Sultan/Hope,
You just spew words that mean nothing and you know you its lies. Prove to me that Either Semere, or Mahmuday, or Gheteb were banned. You are unbelievable. Let’s have a gentlemen’s bet (challenge) and prove your allegation. If not, admit you are a lier and don’t bother to apologize because it take courage to do so.

Gheteb, Semere Tesfay, and Gheteb: If you are reading this comment, kindly appear even for a minute to prove me or the accuser truthful. I implore you to testify in this case. Then I will have another bout with him, with no gloves.

Sultan M.G.

Ustaz Salih:
Relax.
I put the ban in “ “!
I know that you could not have banned them but you repeatedly and indirectly labeled them as PFDJ Apologists… besides being harassed and humiliated at their own home for their opinions.
They are smart enough to have self-banned themselves.
No need to lie or apologize for “ Hope”!
Am very good in “ Testa” and some boxing but with gloves .
It is a scary corona virus era….
No handshaking and always… wash your hands….
How much are you going to pay them to testify for you?

Saleh Johar

SMG
You testified you are a lier. You should be ashamed instead of changing your false charges repeatedly. I have nothing to say to lairs. If you do not stop spreading lies, he moderators could kick you out.

Sultan M.G.

Ustaz SGJ:
Please , respect!
There is NO reason for me to lie.
Stating things with sarcasm and joke should make one to be labeled as a LIAR!
Jella Jellalka Rebbi bela Wed Abuye Andom.( Hope u r safe and healthy Wed Abuye Andom)!

Abi

Hello Sultan
Yes, you are a lousy liar.
The person you just responded to is exercising “virtual distancing” from a known liar with multiple names.

Abi

Selam Ato Saleh
No need to call the above individuals to prove anything for this logorrheic person. The very fact that he is here is a prove that you haven’t banned people like Ghetub or Vet Mahmud.
In fact, Semere Tesfay was here recently. I remember talking with him about family.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Abu Salah,

This time I will agree with Ras Abi. If you know with whom you are talking about, you don’t need any proof to convince him. It is all a “make up story” and the forumers know very well that the three forumers are not banned from this forum.

Saleh Johar

Sultan,
And that’s why we have to be careful not to burden it with our liabilities. Sometimes what you think helps might end up damaging movements and causes. Cheers.

Sultan M.G.

Selamat Ya Ustaz Salih Gadi Jehar!
Please clarify yourself.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Wrong person

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Brother Berhe,
This was supposed to Berhe.
I have read you and I have grave concern on this comment of yours.
‘3) If Eritrea was curved out of Ethiopia by Italians, what do you make the boarder that existed naturally “Mereb” that run 440 KM between the two countries. Have any Ethiopian rules ever rule anywhere north of the boarder, specifically Hamasien and Serya region, until “the greatest general Alula” who lied Raesi Woldemichael and imprisoned him and occupied Eritrea. I don’t deny that Raesi Woldemicheal was an ally of Yohannes but by no means, Eritrea [highland] was under their rule.”
Really? What exactly do you imply about Akele-Guzay?
Aren’t you sounding like the HGDF people?
When you are isolating my fiends, you are isolating me. No wonder this opposition people are screwed up.

Saleh Johar

Mehandis,
The mistake of the wise is ten fold. Remember the opposition is a wide net, not monolithic. You and me are part of that opposition body, not necessarily the organized ones. You tell me if I am screwed, but in my book you are not. See:-)

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

ሳልሕ/በርሀ
If I have to summarize this in one sentence: ሸንኮለል ኴኑ ናትና ነገር

Berhe Y

Hi Mehandis,

Half of me is Akeleguzay, so I don’t think I am isolating myself. You understood what I wrote wrong. I am not expert in history and I do not make a claim that I don’t know. I am ready to be corrected for any errors that I make or any omission as the lawyers said. I have read somewhere that the Akele Guzai regime was part of the Axum kingdom and damot or something, so I don’t write something that I don’t know about, if true or not. So those who know, like you to fill in the gaps for what I missed.

Paulos told us, the whole Eritrean lowlands was part of Sudan, I have not said anything because I don’t if it’s true, but it doesn’t mean I am isolating them.

You see my whole point is not to deny there was ever any relationship with Tigray or Ethiopia. That would be foolish of me to say that, what I am arguing is no body curved Eritrea out of Tigray.

I represent my self and I don’t represent any opposition. But even if I was, oppositions are also humans and they can make mistakes as well.

You don’t to imply for I make its opposition fault. People have to be brain dead if they have no reason to oppose Isayas Afeworki regime.

Berhe

Berhe Y

Hi Abi,

I just want to excuse myself…rather than fighting with child. We say in Tigrina

እንታይ ገዲሹካ ምስ ቆልዓ ትበአስ፡፡ ምነው ከህጻን ጋ ትጣላለህ::

I see that you are bored because there is no soccer game in the next couple of weeks. See you on the weekend.

Berhe

Abi

Hawna Berhe
I can’t believe you are this slow.
Yesterday I watched a champions league game. Today there are two games. Tomorrow there are numerous games. This weekend Man U is playing Spurs.
Plenty of games.
Which planet do you reside?
I still love you.

Sultan M.G.

Ya Berhe:
Glad u got it /figured him out,belatedly . MAaLesh!
He is close to 50 but acts like 5!

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Berhe,
This has already proven and you no need to explain to anyone. You just need to tell them ‘let it be written”
The Ethiopian elites need to grasp this fact, if not tell refer them to ውቃውን ናደው እዝን/ፈንቅል/ግንባር ደቀምሓረ
To save them some nightmare, you have to explain these warnings before hearing it.

Hey ኣባት ጦር Abi,
You have 10% truth and the rest is alternate fact 🙂
Since the misery of Eritrea has bean Ethiopia [including your own Isasya], your statement is unfortunately for you, invalid!

Abi

Hello MM
The proper name is መልሶ ዘማች ራሥ አቢ::
I feel like fighting you again.
I’m definitely winning.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi,
Not sure about winning [unless you are acting as Charley Harper], but it sure is funny!

Abi

Hello MM
I need to consult mr google. Who is Charley Harper?
Will be back.

Saleh Johar

Waw Abi,
You are on a double shot Tella! Does it come in shots. I guess, since you are fast in adopting anything from Amerrikkan Ager:-)

Abi

Selam Ato Saleh
I can handle only 6 people at a time. Sorry you have to sit on the reserve bench until I knock out one of the six fighters.
Tell you what? I make special exceptions for the coach. Only this time .
Ato Saleh, as you said I feel like I’m having ፊልተር ጠላ:: እራሴን እኮ አዞሩት ገና በሶስት ዙር::
ይበሉ እንግዲህ ጠላውን ቅዱት :: ከእርስዎ ጋር ጠብ የለም:: ተረጋግተን ወጋችንን በጠላ እናወራርዳለን::

I wished you said American lager instead of Amerrikkan Ager.

Samuel

Selam Berhe Y,
Just FYI what Sara referenced isn’t mine (it must be another Samuel). I hope Sara will provide better info who that Samuel is. Even though I do agree with the general message what he trying to convey but I wouldn’t put it that way, his writing sentiment is wrong.

I completely agree with what Paulos said “The Nation-State–Eritrea was carved out of Ethiopia in 1890”. There was no Eritrean political community prior to 1890, that is a fact. History is history, we have to accept it as is, at the same time we have to accept today’s reality as well, Eritreans fought and earned their independence, Eritrea is a sovereign country.

Thanks,

Paulos

Selam Samuel,

If Eritrea was the creation of the Italians at the turn of 19th Century, the creation of an independent Eritrea was the incompetency of successive Ethiopian rulers.

There was no palpable political consciousness during the Italian rule to speak of with in Eritreans, the political awareness started to kick in when the British took over in the early 40s where Labour and Trade Unions including political parties started to emerge. Certainly, most of the folks from the Highlands were pro-Union where as the folks from the Lowlands were pro-Independence.

As you know, the Eritrean question was first handled by the four power nations who came out victorious during the war but later on they transferred the mandate to the UN when they couldn’t come to a consensus. The UN commission of five nations went to Eritrea to see the reality on the ground but the fact that the King was heavily involved in intimidating and bribing Eritreans, the Eritrean question was finally settled for a Federation.

One of the contrasting issue was that, the King personally appealed to Roosevelt to have a complete control over Eritrea and the US sided with the King when they needed a Communications center in Eritrea that would control the entire Horn including the Indian ocean [Kagnew Station.] The other issue is that, Eritrea was way more modern than Feudal Ethiopia so much so that, the King was forced to revise the archaic 1932 Constitution when he in 1955 amended or revised it to reflect more progressive Articles al’a Eritrea’s Constitution during the Federation. Later on, the King before the inks started to dry, he eroded the Federation when he undermined its spirit when he finally abrogated it in 1962. For a valid reason, Eritreans felt betrayed but other dynamics started to shape the event as well.

In the early 1960s, two powerful groups started to compete against each other in a bid to win the King’s attention: One was the reactionary Aklilu Habteweld who had become Prime Minister in 1961 and the other group was the President of the Crown Council Asrate Kassa. The former with his two brothers came of a humble beginning but the latter was the son of the powerful Aristocrat Ras Kassa Haiku who was also very close to Menilik than Haileselassie was through blood line that is.

These two families were bitter rivals if not enemies. The animosity started to become more apparent when the Eritrean question resurfaced. When Aklilu Habteweld was made a Prime Minister, the King not only made Asrate Kassa the President of the Crown Council for an appeasement but made him a Viceroy to Eritrea as well. When he went to Eritrea, he found out that, the military in Eritrea were vicious, corrupt and incompetent. And he opted to handle the Eritrean question through dialogue and started filling most of the high level positions in Eritrea with Eritreans including his deputy, Tesfa-Yohannes Berhe. More over, he approached the Israelis to train Eritreans for Commandos in a bid to sideline the corrupt military in Eritrea. But this kind of soft approach to the Eritrean insurgency was hijacked by the reactionary Aklilu Habtewelde when he advised the King to be tough on the Eritrean insurgents in a bid to undermine Asrate-Kassa as well. The King fell for Aklilu’s heavyhand approach when Eritrean Fedayen assassinated two prominent Judges in Asmara when they were in an Italian Bar.

Stick prevailed over Asrate’s Carrot if you will when a certain General Ergetu massacred villagers and the cruel act pushed the rebels to be more militant and when Ergetu was assassinated, Teferi Bantu followed the same suit even after the King was deposed. That is to say that, it was a lost opportunity due to the stupidity and incompetency of successive Ethiopian rulers. Perhaps, Asrate-Kassa’s approach may have worked if not may have saved the lives of innocent civilians.

Samuel

Selam Paulos,
Great read as always!!
You said …. “it was a lost opportunity due to the stupidity and incompetency of successive Ethiopian rulers”.
It is true that Menelik and HS were Ethiopian rulers but I would say it was the “selfish and deliberate work of Shewa nobles/politicians” who has screwed-up to where we are today. The isolation was commenced by Menelik II, he deliberately split two very old political community (North and South people). What HS did was the extension of that. Yes the world dynamics was different but Shaon shrewdness has never changed.

In the mind of Shoan elites, the last thing they would like to see was the unity of the two community, when that happens power will be back to the North easily. Yes they have tried to create “Ethiopian political community” but that was at the expense of Tigray and Eritrea. To be honest with you I don’t blame Gonder or Gojam nobles on this regard, the blame goes to the greedy and shrewd Shoan politicians.
• The invention of “Kibre Negest” was by Shaon nobles, it was one of the greatest lies in this region.
• They used Ethiopian Orthodox as political force
• Th split of the two community
• The list goes on…..

I do agree with your expression “stupidity and incompetency of Ethiopian rulers”, except few rulers/leaders Ethiopian Kings were incompetent and stupid decision makers. They weren’t visionary, they were all short-sighted and power-monger leaders.

The “will” of the people wasn’t in their vocabulary, that was part of the Eritrean question during HS in 1952 till 1962 (before annexation), but they couldn’t able to respect that for the reason of their nature. We have a generation of “ፈሪሳውያን” who wastes time admiring those Kings who has done literally NOTHING. They forgot that we are still very poor country.
Generally, Shoan elites take probably 90% of the blame. Yes we can say Ethiopian rulers but it was mainly Shoan shrewd elites.

Thanks,

Paulos

Selam Samuel,

Thank you.

The Italians employed two opposing policies for modus operandi–“Subversion” in the North and “Persuasion” in the South. And not surprisingly, Emperor Minilik not only divided the two peoples of the Tigrinya “stock” in a bid to weaken them further when he gave the North of the Mereb River to the Italians but also divided Tigrai between two rival families when he gave the East of Tigrai to Ras Gugsa Araya to govern who was the grandson of Emperor Yohannes and the West to Ras Megesha who was also the son of Emperor Yohannes IV.

What is even more remarkable is that, King Haileselassie devised a different strategy in his dealings with Tigrai when he used violence in the other part of Ethiopia to silence those who opposed his reign after Zewditu was sidelined. For instance, he defeated Ras Mikael of Wollo [The father of Iyasu] in the famous battle when the Ras marched on with his troops to avenge the removal of his son [Iyasu] from power. Ras Gugsa Wole, the husband of Zewditu and the famous Minilik’s General—Balcha met the same fate when they opposed Haileselassie’s coming to power.

In Tigrai however, King Haileselassie knowing full that violence could breed more violence and apprising, he used political marriage instead when he married his oldest daughter from a previous marriage–Shewawerq to Hailesellasie Gugsa who was the great grandson of Yohannes IV. Moreover, he married his son Asfawesen when he was only 16 years old to the 26 years old daughter of Ras Mengesha—Welete-Israel. The Shoan elites were shrewd and calculating but in the end they became victims of their inability to change and adopt to the demands of history.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Dr Paulos,

Ethiopia with a defined borders was created by the colonizers. It’s borders were delineated not only in the south and north but also in the East and West in 1900, 1908, 1912 by the colonizers. So the idea Eritrea was part of Ethiopia before the Italians when modern nation and nation states do not exist is false argument. Ethiopia and Etitrea, the whole Africa for that matter are carved by the European colonizers. Pls don’t try to complicate the issue.

Paulos

Selam Professor A. Hidrat?

Ethiopia with defined borders was created by colonizers? Really? That is really sad and unfortunate! What is even tragic is when you try to nullify the true narrative of Eritrea’s creation in 1890 by inserting that equal argument can be said about Ethiopia as well. Will try to comment on that this coming weekend, God willing that is.

Samuel

Selam Paulos,
“The Shoan elites were shrewd and calculating but in the end they became victims of their inability to change and adopt to the demands of history.”
That is very true, collectively we are paying the price today. To add on the historical notes, in the 1890’s Italy had issued a proclamation annexing Tigray to Eritrea, they did and went all the way to Machew. By the way Menelik was about to give-up and let Italy control Tigray because he didn’t want to lose the rest of Ethiopia, thus Italy already started to control most of Tigray, however empress Taytu (Menelik’s third wife) advised him not give-up on Tigray (Axum), her advice was Ethiopia without Tigray won’t be the same Ethiopia they dream to have.
She advised him to declare war against Italy which Menelik did (probably he understood Italy won’t stop in Tigray and Eritrea, slowly they will move south ward and control the rest of the pie), to make history short the Adwa battle was the result of that. Menelik thought the “Wuchale Treaty” will suffice Italy’s aggression south ward and help him to split the two people but colonizers always had bigger ambition, thus Menelik’s shrewd treaty played against him, the “Wuchale Treaty” gave Italy legality to set a foot to control Eritrea and move south ward.

Aside note, most historians forget to mention that Menelik wasn’t an official King when he signed “Wuchale Treaty”, “Wuchale Treaty” was May 2, 1889, however Menelik’s coronation was November 3, 1889, which is 6 months after the Wuchale treaty. Thus he didn’t have an authority to sign any kind of legal treaty, he was still Shewa province king playing his game to claim the throne against Mengesha Yohannes. Even though Yohannes IV announced his heir to be succeeded by Mengesha Yohannes but Menelik shrewdly played the game (he played the dispute whether Mengesha was a genuine son of Yohannes). The rest is history.

Thanks,

Sultan M.G.

Doc:
Just for the naive,not for the “Intellectually Bankrupt“ ones!
-Modern Eritrea was a victim of repeated “Invasions“ and “ Occupations”by the Mahdists,Egyptians and the Turkish before the 19th century…. like the “Ethiopian” Kingdoms did to Eritrea / Bahri Negash
-Eritrea was created as a separate entity and a Colonial “Nation /“ State” like almost all African Nations
-Eritrea was supposed to be Independent like all other Colonial “ Nations” in Africa and in fact, the majority of Eritreans (75%) voted for Independence but was reversed and denied by the USA and its Puppets and Mercenaries per well documented history

-Eritrea and Eritreans have had a similar sociology-cultural and linguistic relationship with the Sudan and Djibouti like the Ethiopians have had with Somalia,Kenya,the Sudan, the S Sudan. and Djibouti and their respective peoples.

-Eritrea was federated and then Annexed against the will of Eritreans.
To complicate the matters , the Federation and its Democratic/ Federal infrastructure and Institutions we’re DISMANTLED against the will of Eritreans!

Eritrea and Eritreans were trapped in a “between life and death” situation /put under an existential threat , when it was declared publicly that :

“ Ertra Meretiwa inji Hizbiwa Ayasfelighenim”!

“ We need no Eritreans but their land”!

Hence,they have to struggle legitimately for a Legit Cause with everything they have and did so and claimed back what belongs to them thru a huge and an unmatched sacrifice and against all ODDs by completely by DESTROYING the Strongest Black Army .

They reconfirmed to the world their victory for a self-determination through a well monitored and observed Referendum in the most TRANSPARENT and Civil way!

Hence, irrespective of this and that fake or true past history,Eritrea is an internationally and a UN – recognized and a UN- member State, an Independent and a SOVEREIGN Nation/State !

As such, Ethiopia and its Tigrai Province along with their respective peoples should recognize and treat Eritrea and Eritreans as such as an Independent and a Sovereign Nation /State with unequivocally well delineated borders, unconditionally and with out ifs and buts!

The only and the Inko “favor” we Eritreans are asking you is:

-To GET OUT from our sovereign territories unconditionally
-Then :
A)Do your best/Try to live peacefully with us as good neighbors
B)Work for a mutual and respectful economic integration …

Nothing more, nothing less!

As simple as 2×2 and 2+2=4!!!
This math is as simple as it is without no preconditions or ifs and buts!

Sultan M.G.

Ya Berhe:
Love U,my man.
Nominating you as the future VP of Eritrea …
With SGJ or SAAY as the President .
Or:
President : Romedan Mohammed Nur
Special Advisor :SAAY

Hahahahaha Berhe:
Reconciliation!
Vet Romedan M Nur is but a victim.
He deserves a credit and he is a Unifying FIGURE.

Sultan M.G.

Doc :
With all due respect,are u telling us that u believe in the 3000-yr-old myth?
His Excellency, Prof SGJ, the virtual Text Book of History, is watching and listening to,attentively.
There was NO such entity or a nation called Ethiopia either, before 1890!

Haile S.

Selam Horizon,

Like Paulos, I saw you comment late at night while going to sleep. On the subject of race, ethnicity and identity a student of ethnology would be better to explain us the fundamentals and details. Just to state the obvious: these groupings identify themselves as such because of a common denominator that is different than their neighbors. This could be language, common beliefs, habits, line of ancestry, migration etc. Reading the stele of Ezana, it is remarkable to see some of the races and identities mentioned there can be directly or indirectly traced to the present identities and races in the region now. And imagine for how many hundreds or thousands of years before that they must have existed. The history of man is a history of division, search for identity, dominance one over the other and stratification based on resources and ownership. Take the example of the bible, it is a history of genealogy, tribes and races. From Adam & Eve, it jumps quickly to the family feuds, intestinal bloody divisions, wars and what have you, simply a reflection of us and the result of our genes. As you said, although we are almost the same in our genetic make up, our search for diversification, compartmentalization and stratification is the product of our genes, so to speak.

A word on ጨዋ. ጨዋ means a ሓራ (free man), a military person, one who bears arms and follows the king. In the Abyssinian culture, the king is the country and the country is represented by the king. Serving the king is serving the country. Free men ጨዋ or ሓራ follow the king and defend their country. Now, is there a relationship between ሸዋ and ጨዋ or is it coincidental? And which one came first? Only non partisan historians can hammer this out.

Hashela

Selam Haile

If possible, can you elaborate on how ጭዋ and ወትሃደር (or any other word for a military man) are connected in their original meanings.
Emphasizing that the notion of ጭውነት ( cultured behavior, purity) is deeply rooted in Kebessa, l find it a bit hard to associate it with ሽዋ, home to people for which we have more negative than positive adages and association.

Haile S.

Selam Hashela,

I will come on this subject later. Thanks

Haile S.

Selam Hashela,

Here are the meaning of ጭዋ I was able to gather from the mentioned references

– Geez dictionary (Dillmann, Laslaw) ፄዋ, army unit warrior. It is possible that ጨዋ was derived from ፄዋ. Note that ጼዋ in geez have another (quite the opposite) meaning, captive or prisoner or exciled.

– According to Tek’e Tesfay’s tigrigna dictionary ጭዋ meaning are as follows:

– ጭዋ = imperial troops, according to Jean Doresse. JD is a french archeologist coptic & ethiopian historian. He is among the first to open the Eth-department of archeology and later working under the Eth-ministry of information during Hailesellassie. More importantly, he is the first to obtain, preserve, analyse and publish the early papyrus christian gospel texts of Nag Hammadi in Egypt. All these to say how knowledgeable this person is.

Now, in Eritrea, we have regions identified with this name ሎጎ ጭዋ (ሎጎ + ጨዋ) and ከበሳ ጭዋ. Traditionally, the people claim their ancestors came from Gondar and other regions, similatly like the history of King Robel’s children the legendary ጫሉቕ፡ ፋሉቕ፡ ማሉቕ. Thus we can speculate that they could come from the people or armies (ጨዋ) who came from Gonder region and settles there.

Hashela

Selam Haile

You are a source of deep knowledge and a scientist with an immense love for details.

Where do I find Tek’e Tesfay’s dictionary. I understand that it is not a perfect one. But Still useful for cross checking and cross comparisons.

Haile S.

Selam Hashela,

I bought mine on a community event when it first was released. Now unless you ask someone from Asmara to send you, not easy to find outside. In Asmara, there was a big used bookshop not far from Seyoum Alemayehu gas station around enda-mariam area on the main road to the truck-weighing station.

Hashela

Thanks Haile

I will ask my Brother to buy and send it to me.
what the exact title of the dictionary and ISBN #?

Haile S.

Selam Hashela,

ዘመናዊ መዝገበ ቓላት ትግርኛ
ብ ተክአ ተስፋይ
ኣሕተምቲ ሕድሪ 1999
No ISBN #.

Abi

Hello ጋሽዬ
የጨዋ ልጅ ተዋርዶ
እንጨት ለቀማ ቆላ ወርዶ
ይገፋዋል ቀኑን
ጊዜ ያመጣውን::

ከቆየ መፀሃፍ ላይ ያገኘሁት

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

“ The history of man is a history of division, search for identity,………”

Do human beings work in “search ethnic identities”? Is ethnic identities “social engineered identities” or natural phenomenon evolved in the multiplication and adaptation of human race? I am intrigued by the phrase “search for identity”?

Haile S.

Selam Emma,

I don’t have right now to continue this discussion, certainly later. By search of identity, I don’t mean searching to which category class or what have you belong, as you question appears to point at. But rather the quest to understand themselves, who they are (their identity), their interactions lead to such compartmentalization.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

What is wrong with you buddy. First I only asked you a question. Second, I wasn’t in the mode of debating until I get clarification to my questions. I don’t debate on something I am not clear on what have been said.

Haile S.

Selam Emma,

I am okay, buddy!
You didn’t only ask a question, you introduced an expression (search for ethnic identities) that I didn’t say or use. So by mentioning Schopenhauer, I basically said, you brought a refutable expression that I didn’t use to begin with.

Hashela

ሰላም ሃይለ

ኣይተረደኣካን። ሎሚ ኣማኒኤል ኣብ ገዛ ኮይኑ’ዩ ድሰርሕ ዝሎ። ቁሩብ እዛናግዓዮ!

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

I think Horizon was referring to “race and ethnicity” in that he was telling us human being is biologically the same. And I thought your argument was within that context. So what “identity” you are talking about when you have said “search for identity”. Wasn’t it better to say I don’t mean that, and I mean this?

Haile S.

Selam Emma,

I tried to answer your question in my brief response this morning.
But can you realize that people also perceive the deliberate or non-deliberate message you send when you comment, when you introduced an expression like you did today for example? Why do you expect people to answer you the way you expect from them while you reply to them the way you feel like? Why do you want to have all the benefit of doubt for yourself without leaving a bit for others?

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

Anta Hailat, if I understood it I wouldn’t ask you. I don’t say you said “ethnic identity”. That was my interpretation from your statement. If you don’t specify what ”identity” you are talking, people will have leeway to interpret the way the see it until you clarify what you mean by it. There is nothing wrong with it. Why is this big deal to you, I don’t understand it. Again the simple answer to it is, I don’t mean it the way you understood, you miss it what I mean would have been easier. But.. but..but I shall observe if you don’t misunderstood people writing as we go forward. By the way your short note does not answer my questions. If you don’t feel answering it, it is okay with me.

Paulos

Selam Horizon,

Just saw your comment. Let me put it this way. We humans do not think in terms of “Deep Time Concept.” That is to say that, we are incapable of thinking in terms of generations where we are limited with a shorter memory span.

That said however, “Genetic Fitness and Kin Selection” are powerful tools whereby they eclipse the idea that we all share the same genetic make up–as humans of the same species.

Let me try to elaborate a bit further. For instance, you and your siblings share 50% each of your parents genes where as you share only 25% of your genes with your first cousins and 12.5% with your second cousins and so on. Equally, you tend to care more for your siblings than your first cousin and more so than your second cousin. That is basically what Genetic Fitness is and it reflects on Kin Selection as well.

And on the other hand, we have what Evolutionary Psychologists call “Reciprocal Ultruism” where your care for an individual is solely based on calculated benefits when that individual is a total stranger to you. You would help him if he is going to help you sort of thing.

That said however, there are other “Fitnesses” if you will that are borne out of “Nurture” as in Culture and Languages where we tend to care more for those who share the same Culture, Values, Traditions and Languages with us. And of course, that is precisely how societies are molded when common history and culture are shared and it turns into a political entity when the State creates a pact to guard the delicate balance of what we share which make up societies. This is to say that, the general gene pool that makes us human loses its meaning when the power of Genetic Fitness prioritizes our selfish relationships with one another.

Abi

Paul
These comments are coming very slow. Is Berhe moderating the forum?

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Dr Paulos,

I have one important question for you on hold by the disqus. Hopefully the moderator will release it.

Kokhob Selam

Dear Brother Saleh.

I read it 5 times…. including just today.. that is very wonderful…Thank you for your Message of progress and encouragement. I am happy and I enjoy it all,,Excellent message and insight!

KS,,

Nitricc

Hi All; this what I am reading in the news “Sudan’s PM survives assassination attempt”
and if it is true and Egypt is behind it, then make no mistake, the great war of east Africa is upon Us. this is dangerous!!!!! Well, I guess the Ethiopian’s testicles will be tested.

Can you join the dots: sudanese revolution that deposed dictator al bashir, a colleague of dictator al sisi, was mediated by PMAA after declining egypt’s services – the sudanese government refuses to sign the fake al sisi/trump document of the gerd agreement – few days ago sudan refused to approve the conspiracy by the arab league against ethiopia in cairo – yesterday, saudi arabia condemned the sudanese government for betraying the arab solidarity – today, an attempt is made on the life of Abdalla Hamdok, the sudanese pm, which fortunately failed.

This shows that something sinister has been planed, and it is not only ethiopia that is the target, but also any country that doesn’t fall in line with egypt and the arab group of dictators.

What next? There is danger that the arab league with egypt, as the ring-leader, will try to destabilize sudan, military takeover is most probable, and military dictatorship coming back to sudan is a possibility, unless sudan repents and returns to the fold of the arab league.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Selamat,
Is this just me or Nitricc is becoming more Ethiopian than those Ethiopians themselves?
Us? Who is Us? Egypt’s problem is with Ethiopia, not with Eritrea. Why are you saying Us?

On a different topic, sorry.
A young female oromo politician was saying at OFC conference that oromo men and women should immediately divorce their amhara (nefTegna) husbands and wives. Still worse was the fact that professors, merara g. and beqele g. were applauding the lady. They were no better than the young lady, despite their title.
Last time beqele g. was talking about ‘not so pure oromos’, having in mind PMAA, i am sure. Sometimes, they even call him a ‘nefTegna’.
To tell you the truth, i am much more worried by these narrow-minded politicians than egypt’s war propaganda. They might as well say the gerd is in benishangul g., therefore, what is it to us, as long as it is not in oromia. Don’t laugh, because one should expect such things from these myopic politicians.

Sultan M.G.

Selam Horizon:
These are the issues PIA was trying to address so as to minimize the dangerous precedence and consequences of such Ye Mender Poletika.,which could be none of Eritrea’s business but it will become our business and that of the entire Horn if Ethiopia gets destabilized.
Speaking of Bekele Gherba,listen to his speech in Mekele and his interview with Betty of LTv.
Jawar declared:”We don’t need The nefteGna’s buchilla and Ye WeyAne Dikaka!”.
It is very scary !
Egypt can easily use such a “ Golden Opportunity”!
Good luck!

I believe that PMAA’s “Medemir” is to fight what you rightly call “Ye Mender Poletika”. It is meant to overcome such anomalies in the ethiopian politics, the blind leading the people, as it is happening with these blind ultra ethno-nationalist oromos. The core message of “medemir” in my opinion is, let’s save ethiopia, because it is the only home we have. Oromia, amhara, tigray, afar, etc cannot survive alone, despite what their power-mongering elites say. Nevertheless, this is nuclear science to oromo extremists and others to understand. The oromo people and ethiopians in general, are much more advanced than these dark age politicians.
Ethiopian extremists, wherever they come from, think that they should burn a house first to renovate it, because all they care about is that they think they are going to be the masters of the new house, big or small, and without the slightest idea whether the house will be there the next day or not.
Bekele Gherba is a shame to his ethnic group and to his title of a professor. I don’t know if one can get the title of ‘professor of ignorance and stupidity’. If so, he is the best example.

Teodros Alem

selam horizon
u still doging around, what u think the millions of oromos married with other ethnics, 1/2 ,1/4 oromos including jawar think about it?

Teodros Alem

selam horizon
dognet aside, they will have a problem with at least 90% of city oromos. and am 100% sure she is doing dognet like u do.

Paulos

Selam Horizon,

Einstein once famously said, mediocrity is a plague. Even worse, ከሁሉ የባሰ በሽታ ድነቁርና ነው! Every Oromo has Amhara blood in him or her. Every Tigrean has Amhara blood in him or her. There is no such a thing called “pure” Amhara or Oromo or Tigrawai. That is a fact. I can say, the same about Kebessa Eritrea but I will be in trouble and I better not.

Certainly, identity is a different story including a citizenship but the gist of the matter is this kind of narrow populism has to stop and it has to start with the elites.

Haile S.

Selam Paul,

ወይ ከበሳ፡ ዝኸኣለ ኣብ ርእሳ! ክሳዳ ይሕዛ ትንፋሳ! You will not be in trouble for stating the obvious. You will precisely be in trouble by insinuating you will be in trouble, and if your attack is one directional to the north of Mereb proportional to your praise to the south. I suggest you go to Our Lady of Lourdes or to Our Lady of Fatima and pour some holy water over your head.

Paulos

Hailat,

I am trying to make the case that you and I are related. Glad to see you finally believing in the power of the Holy Water.

Haile S.

Paul,

We were related from the begining. We are the children of king Meron from Dembia. Abi is our cousin from Hamusit :-), Horizon our far cousin from Merha-Bietie

Abi

Hello ጋሽዬ
ምነው ታላቁን Horizon ክአድማስ ባሻገር አኖርከው?

Haile S.

ኣባ ትልቁ፡

ስም ይመራል፡ ጧፍ ያበራል! ይላል ያገሬ ሰው።

Abi

Hello ጋሽዬ
ስም ይወጣል ከቤት ይከተል ጎረቤት
ይላሉ የነፋሲት ጠበብት::

Abi

Hello Horizon
አኒ በዴ ! አኒ በዴ! አለ ኦሮሞ
The people you mentioned are not educated. They are instructed.
Paul said it all. I have nothing to add except አኒ በዴ…..

Samuel

Selam Horizon,
First of all such hateful rhetoric must be denounced by the leaders specially when such call is on public in front of the leaders, it is unacceptable, hateful and poison campaign, it should not be allowed to become the norm in our discourse. It will not help anyone, at the end it will end up hurting themselves.

My disagreement with you is how you interpreted her message, you should put what she said without interpreting, don’t try interpret without specifying what she said. When she spoke she used two words “Habesha” and “Neftegna”. In Ethiopia specially individuals from Oromia when they say “Neftegna” it doesn’t mean ONLY “Amhara”, it means everyone North of Addis Ababa, generally “Habesha” (regardless what it implies) but specifically Amhara and Tigray. Why are you specifically talking about Amhara, what she said was “Habesha” and “Neftegna”. Stop your biased interpretation. I am not trying to justify what she said, it is completely unacceptable and wrong, but we should be careful to interpret as if it was for specific social group.
Just to clarify for you, when Tigrians say “Neftegna” it means Menelik, HS and Derg political elites, when Oromos say “Neftegna” it means “Abyssinia” or “የሰሜን ሰው”, specifically Abyssinia leaders. Let’s not try to add extra meaning beyond it.

Generally, I am happy that you are able to denounce such hateful speeches, however when it comes dictators and hateful speeches you seem to have selective bias, where were you when ESAT media campained poisonous hate propaganda against the people of Tigray? do you remember the genocide video call released by ESAT in 2016 (I have the video, please don’t deny it) when they said “የተበላሸ ዓሣ ለመያዝ ባህር ማንጠፍ” የሚል ዘረኛና አረሜናዊ አባባል፡፡ loosely “to catch the poison fish you have to drain the sea”. Few weeks after the video has released 40K Tegaru were expelled from Gonder, yes Tegaru were killed and beaten to death because of that call.
Surprisingly Derg did the same slogan in 1988 and they bombed “Hawzen” and most cities in Tigray and Eritrea, HS did similar thing and bombed “Mekelle” and “Raya”. I hope you don’t deny those atrocities.

What I don’t understand is you still have unlimited love to Menelik, HS and Derg who were dictators, oppressors of nations and nationalities, murders, they were the cruelest leaders of Ethiopia in history but you still love them dearly, why are you pretending against hate speech and dictators when you still love Menelik, HS and Derg?
I am happy that you are able to denounce hate speech but you seem to be partial, if you are against dictators and hateful speech you should be impartial. I am not looking sugar coated response, I just want you to think deep for yourself.

Thanks,

Nitricc

where were you when ESAT media campained poisonous hate propaganda against the people of Tigray?

don’t mislead the people and stop laying. the campaigned was against the day light Haynes. Not against the people of Tigray. for instances; your day light general hyena; said what he said against Eritrea; is that the position of the people of Tigray?

Why do you confuse things. You people say that the last time you ruled Ethiopia was when emperor Yohannes was on the throne. His empire was within Abyssinia proper, centered more to the north, including modern day highland eritrea. Therefore, i don’t understand how oromos came to call you nefTegnas.
When tplf was still in the bushes, it gathered together oromo soldiers who surrendered and defected and formed a fighting group and indoctrinated them with Menilik killed oromos, cut the breast of oromo women and when tplf came to power, it erected the grotesque anole statue without oromos asking for it. It was to show oromos that amhara nefTegnas cut oromo breasts and arms, and not tplf. Have you seen anywhere the perpetrator erecting a statue to condemn itself, because the message of the statue was meant against the so-called amhara nefTgnas and not tigray nefTegna. Tplf was calling Amara negTegna more than the oromos themselves, and oromos simply adapted the term.
As much as habesha is concerned you are right, amharas and tigrayans are habesha. Even then, i am sure, the lady had amharas in mind, because much more Amaras are married with oromos than Tygrayans, oromos and amharas have lived together for a long time and they are intermarried in a larger number compared to tigrayans who were limited to the northern abyssinian highlands.
Samuel, the difference is that the love i and more than hundred million Ethiopians have for their country, you call it the love for Menilik, HS and the Derg. You call us Ethiopianists, unionists, anti-federalists, because in your tplf’s book, the chapter on Ethiopia had been torn out and thrown away and replaced by ethnic States. Your biggest problem is that Ethiopians are relearning to call themselves proudly Ethiopians, after almost three decades of fear to call themselves Ethiopians under tplf dictatorship.
We all know that OFC is much nearer to tplf than any other oromo party. Tplf sees it as the Trojan horse that will take it back to Addis, and it is the frog that will carry it on its back across the river. Through people like jawar, bekele g. and others, tplf is insulting the intelligence of the oromo people. Bekele g. was languishing in tplf prison for years and he seems to have forgotten it, jawar never dared to visit Ethiopia until PMAA came to power, and he was demonizing tplf day and night from a safe distance until its demise. How far these scoundrel will travel together before they betray each other time will show.
Finally, let’s agree that Menilik, HS, the Derg and Tplf were all cruel rulers.The only difference is that unlike Tplf, none of the first three leaders hated ethiopia as tplf did. This is not sugar-coated but the bitter truth.

Abi

Hello Samuel
Hawzen was orchestrated by your tplf.

Paulos

Abination,

The once powerful Legesse Asfaw died of Liver cancer and only heaven knows what went through his mind as he gasped for the last breath. The people in Hawzien were massacred in a broad daylight where Legesse was the military governor of Tigrai and the people of Hawzien knew too well who the culprit was. Weyane or Legesse?

One only hopes, Legesse made peace with his creator as the Weyanes are asking for forgiveness to their people not for transgression but for neglecting them in favour of Amhara and Oromo elites.

Abi

Paul
I think we have exhausted the Hawzen debacle some years ago. People in the know described what had happened that time.
The weyanes orchestrated the show knowing full well what the reactions of derg would be. They used the incident to agitate the people just what elf did to the Eritreans. Ona is a good example. This is what happened when people are led by irresponsible ሽፍቶች on your side and a retarded ወታደር on my side.

Weyanes should apologize to the Ethiopian people and leave Ethiopia once and for all. I hope your wishes come true soon and Tigray becomes number one in Africa.

Paulos

Abination,

“…ሽፍቶች on your side and retarded ወታደር on my side…” is a good one and funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Samuel

Selam Abi,
You are just unhinged individual, Derg owned the bomb, the pilot and MiG-23 flight, the pilot flew one thousand Kilometer from Debre-Zeit to Hawzen and dropped the bombs at the center of market place. Try to be a human being, externalizing responsibility isn’t a good thing to do, specially this much magnitude please refrain from it. Just FYI, “Hawzen” wasn’t the only one, it was the worst bombardment. There were more than 200 bombardments in Tigray and Eritrea. Please google “derg bombardment in Tigray and Eritrea”, 1990 human rights watch report.

If TPLF had such connection to do such horror, it was easier to do it at 4Kilo palace (kill the president then change the game). Please stop your hateful messages.

HS bombed “Mekelle and Raya” in 1941, was that because of TPLF? You are such an ugly and reckless individual. Derg was cruel, I don’t want any of your family to face such atrocities. For you you thought you are playing politics, but you are revealing who you are, you are just sitting somewhere and playing on others pain.

Thanks,

Paulos

Selam Samuel,

There seems to be a general misconception about the settlers who had moved to the South, South-West and South-East of Ethiopia mainly during the reign of Emperors Menilik and Haileselassie.

If we are to talk of a total monopoly of culture, language and mindset that had pervaded the Ethiopian panorama for decades and on, it was exclusively Shoan hegemony where the other Amhara enclaves as in Begemider, Wolo, Gojam and Gonder were equally marginalized in tandem with the other non-Amhara ethnic groups as in Tigrai and Oromia, for instance. As such, prudence should be in order when we talk about the Amhara dominance for it was exclusively Shoan.

Thanks for telling us that the two words, ጨዋ and ሽዋ could be related. It never crossed my mind. The fate of the amhara people was not in any way better than others, in the hundreds of years of purportedly amhara hegemony. The amhara region was even poorer and backward compared to other regions of ethiopian ethnic groups. The difference was class difference, and unfortunately, it was hijacked and became ethnic difference that brought the present ethiopian situation. Shoa is multi-ethnic compared to other regions of ethiopia.

By the way my response to your last comment is hijacked on the way and lies pending, similar to my yesterday’s comment, which was freed after many hours. It happens sometimes.

Teodros Alem

selam horizon
r u trying to heal from ur wound and titi cutting crimes by degrading other amaras or what? r u guys also telling us there is no amharic word “chewa”(decent) ?
but it is just a corrupt word for “shawa”, u guys r not just funny but morons .
Minelik time.and the scrabble of africa timing is the one makes a difference, other than that shawa never been considered to class.

Nitricc

Hi Horizon; I just listened to this dumb Oromian woman I am not surprised what she have to say but I am stunned by jubilation of the so called Oromia leaders. Where are you heading? It is very worrying situation. I know I am getting roasted by what I will say, but your only saving grace is, if your are attacked by Egypt. You need un external enemies that will bring you together. This speech is not different that what the Rwanda’s radio station has said that cost so many lives lost. Wow! I mean the writings are on the wells; Oromia killil just completed its 30th round of special forces since 2008 What is the intention? Eritrea as a country has similar round of recruiting as much as the Oromia kilill. I do like PMAA but he has to fix this or resin before we witnessed the 2nd Rwanda. OMG!!! PIA needs to revisit his strategy or just relinquish his power. Eritrea could find her self on this toxic mess. One thing is for sure, I didn’t know the Oromians are this backward and stupid.

The oromo people are decent and respectable people, and what you said points to oromo politicians than to the oromo people. Indeed, the woman was dumb, and unfortunately, the professor-politicians were even dumber than her.
You are prescribing a homeopathic treatment for ethiopia’s problems, that is, “like cures like, a substance that causes symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people” in other words, ethiopians are fighting among themselves, and for this to stop, egypt should attack ethiopia, so that ethiopians stop fighting each other and turn towards the common enemy. Nitricc, you are prescribing a bitter and poisonous pill for ethiopia. Thanks, but no thanks.
All problems have their own solutions. Jawar, bekele g, dawud ibsa, marara g., and many others are now naked before the oromo society. It has been uncovered that despite his lies the leader of OLF, dawud ibsa, never cut the umblical cord that joins him with OLF-shenee and although he denied it, this branch of OLF is wreaking havoc in wollega with his order, and he was moving the string sitting comfortably in addis ababa. Afterall, the leader of OLF-shenne is his relative. Many oromos have come to understand that these group of people are not good for oromos.
As for the “Liyu” police, some say that it is to protect the elections and make it possible, because extremists who are going to lose in the elections are ready to cause a crisis. Most probably the liyu police will be absorbed into the federal police or the federal army soon after the elections.

Selamat Awate,
I have heard this so called General Tsadqan has a huge share of Ray a Bira.
Well, at least we [the beer guys] can stop drinking his beer. Sanction, baby!

Paulos

ማሃንድሳይ,

The “let’s boycott” dare has not made its presence in Ethiopia yet. As it happens,Tigrai has the highest Beer consumption per capita in Ethiopia but people do not discriminate as they drink all kinds of Beer including Raya where Tsadqan owns pretty much all the shares of the company.

You would think that he would be more conscious about the sensitive stuff he says lest people boycott his Beer but again the fact that people do not think in those terms the guy opens his mouth to his delight and yet his Beer sells including with in Eritreans in Ethiopia.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Doterre,
Once they know his hateful speech and they have other choice of beer, it will catch up.
This so called general is neither good for Eritrea nor Tigray. He is sick person.

Abi

Hello Paul
Tigray also has the highest consumption of whiskey as well.
As you said before Tigray is number one in every aspect in Ethiopia. I don’t understand why they are staying with the backward Ethiopians?
ወያኔ ህዝቡን አስክሮታል አትለኝም!
ውስኪም ጥጋብም እኩል ያሰክራሉ::

“ከተራበ ለጠገበ ነው ማዘን” ይላሉ ዘመዶችህ::

Paulos

Abination,

Do you know that practically all Eritreans including Isaias are Arsenal fans? By now I know how you think and you’re going to say, “I didn’t know there are still young people in Eritrea.” Valid point but you know, it is before they left Eritrea. The Opposition in Diaspora are Man-United fans on account that they want to be all the way against Isaias of course except me where I am Chelsea’s fan. And you know what is weird about it? Practically all Weyanes are Chelsea’s fan. Of course, am messin with you 😂.

Abi

Paul
I’m watching Chelsea vs Everton.
Chelsea 2
Everton 0
Half time

I already know ALL Eritreans are Arsenal ( the gunners) fans.
You can’t possibly detach Eritreans from guns.
As Arsenal fans, they are always ready for disappointment.
Back to the game. I’m making coffee.

Sultan M.G.

Doc:

Glad U corrected the dude before I jumped in.Yeah,Manchester United is the answer if u ask a little kid in Eritrea let alone the diaspora.
I think he just used it for his own interest … to associate Eritreans with guns by using the term Arsenal.

Speaking of Chadkan, he is just expressing his REMORSE and REVENGE against Eritreans for his MASSIVE LOSS at the Aseb and Tserona Fronts along with Siyye Abreha,who were apparently airlifted on an emergency basis from Burrie…. when the Gallant EDF hit back hard mercilessly!

Good luck to him;but as Prof Hailat said it,he is not alone but with the entire TPLF and the Tigrai elite as well as most of all Tigreyans.

Good luck to them and Menghidi Cherki yigberelom.

Paulos

Selam Capo,

I am actually surprised people are taking these guys serious when they are trying to stay relevant for which they are not including Siye. What matters is what Debretsion says and does for he is in charge not these former Generals turned businessmen. Let’s lay it off and talk about what matters most.

Sultan M.G.

Selam Dottore:
Agree Doc but,hey, for us Eritreans ,our Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity matters the MOST as well.
We take such serious threats by a top senior Enemy Gen SERIOUSLY and he et al shall be paid back in kind dealt with seriously!
The same entities have caused irreparable DAMAGE to/on Eritrea and Eritreans and on their historical pride .
Losing 30 k precious sons and daughters including 10k casualties For NOTHING in Tessenei only due to Beshir s betrayal is but the WORST thing that could happen to Eritrea and Eritreans .

Let their camels and dogs drink their Rayya Beer!

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Selam,
Again, another hypocrisy: When your god, isayas says boarder is not the priority, I don’t see you crying.
We know this G. Tsadqan has some kind inferiority complex issue. Or he is simply retarded. He tries to be one of those Amhara elites (or trying very hard to appease them) , while those guys do not give a hoot about him.
He is not new to Eritreans. He has hatred toward Eritreans. We know that.
However, there is a guy he has many orders of hatred toward Eritreans and he is still in change of the country.
Spend time on him.

Abi

Hello MM
The Mighty Amharas are your constant nightmares.
As I said before we (AMHARAS) will take over our ports in due time.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi,
Now, we are in sync!

Abi

Hello MM
I’m glad.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi,
Jokes aside…I am strictly talking about elites. Those try to create war between nations. If I see you here in the Bay Area, I would probably invite you to lunch or dinner. Ay my work place, the East Africans are like brothers/sisters. What it does tell you?

Abi

Hello MM
The probability of my acceptance of your invitation depends upon what language we use at the dinner table.
I insist it should be Amharic.( just kidding.)
The fact that your coworkers feel like brothers/sisters is heart warming.
However, when it comes to Ethiopians and Eritreans it is all fake. I grew up with Eritreans. Majority of my friends were Eritreans until your independence. After the independence, I found them to be totally different people. All that friendship was fake. It took me several years to overcome the pain.
I believe people like Amanuel Hidrat caused the most damage in the relationship of the two people.

What is your invitation for dinner tonight in case I decided to show up?

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Selam,
Isn’t that slave mentality, Sultan M.G?
What’s Manchester to us?
You hgdf supporters are hypocrites. I remember Qazafi was mentioning any Arab leaders do not know any African clubs but they can detail European clubs, in detail. What a shame.
A lot of people seem to be smart, because they can just write sentences in advance english.
Do we have IQ test here?

Abi

Hello MM
Please don’t tell me that you haven’t watched the Manchester Darby.
United beat the noisy neighbors 2-0. They are still crying.
Make sure to watch the champions league 2nd leg tomorrow and Wednesday.
Life is more than politics.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Abi,
In my mind, they don’t exist. If you had to ask about the Rwanda cycling tour, what would be the % of European people aware of that?

Abi

Hello MM
What happened in Rwanda?
There is a difference between cycling in Rwanda and the Manchester Darby, Milan Darby …
The whole world watched it yesterday except you.

Nitricc,
Good point. What do you think the reason? Please refrain from CIA or Woyane or Jihad.
Hint: he sits in Adi halo and has just signed the lease to move to Emba Gedem

Paulos

Nitrikay,

What’s up with you? I don’t see any connection between the “regression” and the classy song. If anything, that is an art at its best. He goes aesthetic Anatomy when the lyrics is ማዓንጣይ ልበይ including Astronomy or Cosmology when he says—ናብ ሀዋሁ ጠሚተ. Good times!

Nitricc

Hey P; I just see how the song and the beautifully the city Is. We have to change it .we have to.the Song has some thing to it.

Sultan M.G.

Doc:
Glad he clarified it but he meant the new Asmera and its era vs the old Asmera during the “ old” era!
He is right,since Asmera is 28 yrs back(REGRESSED) thanks the PFDJ Regime.
Started to get a life after it has become the a SPECIAL World Heritage City( the entire city…. along with Massawa and Keren cities pending final decision)!

Sultan M.G.

General N.

An EPIC,isn’t it?

Beyond talent .
No clue as to why people(“ Sellouts-and Digital WeYAne) are so irritated and angry on him .
Please post in his latest Penetrating Poem on and about Eritrean Unity so as to make some here SICK!

Will JOIN you and ESCORT you with limousines and Motorcade while walking on foot from the Airport to Bahti Meskerem thru Godenna Harinnet!

Paulos

Selam Horizon,

Saw your comment on Ethiopia’s victory in 1977 over Somalia or [Karamara.] My question to you is: Would you call it a total Ethiopian victory given the fact that, Ethiopia had Cuban combat soldiers on its side including American bombers that had been brought when the Emperor pleaded with Nixon in the earlier years in a bid to fight back “insurgents” in the North. I would say hardly if foreign forces were not involved. What say you?

Selam Paulos,
The Ethio-Somali war was a proxy war, part and parcel of the cold war, and the geopolitical struggle between the USA and Soviet Union. Somalia attacked soon after Ethiopia declared that it was a communist country.
Modern fighter airplanes paid for by Ethiopia were blocked by the USA administration of the time and they were never delivered and those already used by the Ethiopian airforce were sabotaged so that they couldn’t use their missiles. Israel had to be paid expensively so that Ethiopia could overcome this problem. Mig fighters were not yet ready and Ethiopia had to use whatever she had to defend herself, American product or not. I see nothing wrong with that. These airplanes were not meant for the museum.
As much as Cuban forces were concerned, again it was part of the geopolitical struggle between the two superpowers. True or false it was said that Egyptian pilots were shot down over ogaden, and as we all know insurgent forces like eprp and others in the North were sabotaging the war effort and fighting the central government at the same time, while the nation was attacked by a foreign power. Ethiopia was fighting on multiple fronts. That was the time when the USA was poring money in to Ethiopia to destabilise the country, eprp was saying let’s help Somalia to come to Addis to depose the Derg and we will get rid off Somalia later on, etc.. With Somalia, the USA and Ethiopian insurgents fighting the country and not only the government, any Ethiopian government had to work with whoever is ready to help, and with whatever means it had at its desposal. The important thing was that the war was won, and Ethiopia survived. It is immaterial how the war was won.
The problem in Ethiopia is that the dividing line between the nation and the government had never been clear for Ethiopian LFs. That is why tplf failed. Any future Ethiopian government that stands against the essence of Ethiopia’s future existence as a nation will be thrown into the dustbin of history.

Paulos

Selam Horizon,

Thanks for the comment and sorry for the belated reply for I was already asleep when you came to the Forum.

I disagree on a number of points. First, Somalia didn’t attack Ethiopia on account that the latter had just turned Communist. It was an attack that had been in the making for quite some time particularly when Barre came to power in the late 60s.

As you know, when Somalia got its independence in the early 60s, it’s flag was designed to have five stars precisely because it was aimed for an Irredentist realities. That is, the two stars were meant for the British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland; and the other three were for Somalians in Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya as well. Certainly that kind of passive aggressive had made the Emperor nervous in tandem with the rise of the insurgents in the North and equally not only when he just survived a coup d’etat [The Neway brothers] but also Nasserism was already underway when it helped a Communist Yemen to mushroom right across the Sea under the banner of Pan-Arabism. The Emperor felt surrounded by reactionaries including the said internal developments.

First, the strategy the Somalis opted was to infiltrate the South-Eastern Ethiopia through supporting the Western Somalia Liberation Front and to revive the already put down insurgent in Bale by the Oromos. The strategy started to bear fruit when it was practically difficult for the Emperor’s regime to distinguish between the Somalis that had been sent to sabotage and the Somalis in Ogaden. As such, when this developments became more intense and challenging, in the beginning of the 70s, the Emperor personally appealed to Nixon for a military aid in the amount of 450 million dollars. But the fact that Nixon was already bogged down in the Watergate scandal including when the Radio Communications in Kagnew was made redundant due to the rise of the Satelite Communications, Ethiopia’s plea was almost relegated to the backburner when Kissinger insisted to deliver the military aid including the Jet Fighters and modern Tanks as well.

Let me digress a bit. What of the Soviet Union? Well, their overall strategy not only in Somalia and later on in Ethiopia was not to help one and oppose the other but to create a Federation of Communists in the Horn including Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Yemen. And that was precisely the reason the Soviets pressured Isaias to make amends with Mengistu, for instance. But the Soviets realized that, Barre, Mengistu and Nimery were ultra-nationalist military men not ideologues.

On a side note or of interest, right after the end of the Somalia war, the Russians were already convinced that Mengistu was not cut out to be a leader who can deliver their communist objectives in Ethiopia. And they thought Haile-Fida was their man but Fida had already been killed by Mengistu and relegated the Cubans in Ethiopia with the task of smuggling in Fida’s best friend Zemede Gobezie from Europe by using South Yemenis passport. When Gobezie was smuggling in, Mengistu had flown to Cuba to personally thank Castro [He didn’t know he was being f**ed] but when he realized that it was fait accompli, to his credit he boldly kicked out all the Cuban and Russian diplomatic corps from Addis. And later on, a new agreement was established with the two countries in his terms.

Now to get back to the main issue at hand, Mengistu used the said delivered American Fighter Jets and Tanks for the war with Somalia. What is even remarkable is that, the Americans sent most of the military aid after the fall of the Emperor while the rhetoric of anti-America was at its highest but the Americans remained true to their promise and of course from a strategic point of view as well hoping that Mengistu would turn but obviously he never did. Other interesting worthy of notice is that, the Oromos in Bale refused to assist Siad Barre when he invaded Ethiopia instead they fought back along side Mengistu. Perhaps a lesson for Isaias if he is planning to invade or attack thinking that he can turn some to his side.

In the geo-political division of the horn of africa, weren’t the americans on the side of the ethiopian emperor and the soviet union on the side of somalia before the derg came to power? Wasn’t there a change of sides after the derg declared communism as its ideology, which forced the americans to go with the somalis and the soviet union to move to the side of the derg? Didn’t ziad barre attack ethiopia soon after the above flip over of the world powers? The fact that somalia had a long term plan of creating “greater somalia”, which made it the problem child of the horn, was only an easy excuse to attack ethiopia again,and a fertile ground to be used by the usa.
The ogaden region is inhabited by somalis and infiltration was an easy matter, and one of the reasons ziad barre wanted to invade the region hoping that ethiopian somalis would support him.
The derg never used american tanks. All the tanks were russian made, even today, if i am not mistaken. As much as the F5-Es were concerned, here is an excerpt from wekipedia, “In 1975, another agreement was reached with the U.S. to deliver a number of military aircraft, including 14 F-5Es and three F-5Fs; later in the same year eight F-5Es were transferred while the others were embargoed and delivered to a USAF aggressor Squadron due to the changed political situation. The U.S. also withdrew its personnel and cut diplomatic relations. Ethiopian officers contracted a number of Israelis to maintain American equipment.”. Only eight aircrafts were already delivered before the usa blocked the order. In addition, ethiopia got no spare parts from the usa, but only through the black market at a high cost to its economy.
Finally, i don’t think that Isaias has any plan to invade tigray. Who else is supposed to be in danger? He knows very well that the federal government has the obligation to defend the country. Isaias knows it, and tplf knows it very well. Simply tplf is using it for scaremongering to win the the people of tigray to its side.

Nitricc

Hi all This is what Ethiopia got from Israel I wish Ethiopia could spend the resources in to development but you got to what you need to

I am afraid, this has a direct connection with 5G which is very bad for all living matters. Confirm me if it had nothing to do with such frequency,,Just curious about this equipment. I am also following the something the same subject from far..

KS,,

Nitricc

Hey the great KS; forget the 5G; get the flip back mortadella phones. Things are getting out of hand. If you need privatization and not detected by big brothers, then go to fillp-back mortadella phones, consider it inside information. You

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Nitricc,
You mean Motorola? 🙂
We are talking about EMWs here. We need to consider exposure’s length of time, distance and strength of the signal, to calculate the risk.

They say, there is always first time for everything including for ሸታሕታሕ! And this is your first timer! Welcome to mediocrity! Really.

Tsadqan is a very wealthy man, when I say very wealthy, I mean as the Italians put it, con soldi da buttare. He is showing off his supposed intellectual steak and military accolade with ambitious young reporters craving for a juicy scoop. And what he said on Ethio Forum was just that! What he said in it didn’t mean anything when you gave him the exposure he didn’t deserve. If anything, however, his falling out with Meles was precisely that when Meles refused to budge on his stand on Asseb when Tsadqan and others insisted on pushing for what he said in the latest interview. To be more precise, it is his own take not TPLF’s current or previous position.

Abi

Paul
Are you rusting or resting?
You remember you and all the 3As ( Awate, Assenna Asmarino) gave tamrat negera the unnecessary time and attention?
Here you are defending the tplf General as if he is a nobody.
Kind of confusing

Paulos

Abination,

Hardly! I am not defending him. I say, I am rather surprised to see the otherwise gutsy Aya Saleh who always refuses to be gravitated to the dumb lots lining up with the herd. Tsadqan is getting all the attention he doesn’t deserve. He is just a dude with lots of money going around saying stuff totally inconsistent with TPLF’S current or previous stand on Asseb.

Abi

Paul
የስ የስ ብለናል
ነገሩ ገብቶናል

Nitricc

Hey P; I know I was on your case when comes to TPLF; so, I got to leave you alone but let me ask you this, the same question I ask so many times; in your honest opinion, is there a difference between TPLF and the people of Tigray. Samual, Gebremedihn, Solomon and all the Tigrayan said TPLF=the people of Tigray. What say you?

Paulos

Nitrikay,

I think the most relevant question you need to ask is–why do the Tigrean people keep giving the Weyanes a second chance?

Maybe history can shed some light why that is the case. For almost a century, the Tigreans were neglected and dehumanization which started in 1888 after the death of Emperor Yohannes IV till the defeat of the Dergue in 1991.

Moreover, Tigrai the already over populated and environmentally degraded province was not only the poorest province in Ethiopia or Africa but in the entire world as well. That is not a hyperbole but an established fact based on a serious study.

A bit of philosophy here–Hegelian philosophy asserts that, the center of conflicts in history is the struggle for Recognition and equally the Weyanes restored back the long lost dignity and recognition of the Tigrean people. And the “entity” called Weyane is not a foreign force but the product of every family in Tigrai and this crucial fact is lost with in the calculus of Abiy and Isaias including the confused folks here in this Forum as well. As such, one can find some elements of truth when one asserts that the people and TPLF are one and the same.

Here is the flip side of the a bit inflated article of faith if you will. Right after the controversial and turbulent election of 2005, Meles came out wounded and disillusioned with the concept of “Democracy” and strategically opted to keep the Amhara and Oromo elites closer at the expense of the Tigreans when he also created an alliance with them which left Tigreans bitter and resentful. With in the subsequent years, particularly when Hailemariam came to power, Tigrai was not only forgotten but the fundamental rights of the people were violated to the extent of living in fear of retribution as well.

It was with in that backdrop that Abiy came to power and him including his handlers assumed the Weyanes were done and Isaias declared the infamous “Game Over.” And Abiy foolishly denounced the last twenty years as wasted years when his propaganda machinery went after anything Tigrean. Thereafter, the Tigreans felt threatened and the Weyanes not only came back to life but got stronger more than ever. Abiy and Isaias handed the Weyanes a life saving ammunition on a silver platter where the gift is still unpacking thanks to their recalcitrant stupidity.

Samuel

Selam Paulos,
Well put, they say knowledge set you free. Part of the difficulty with few individuals is they are not interested with facts, they are more interested in their own alternative facts.
For example if I am not mistaken most Eritrean intellectuals are against IA (PFDJ in general), however most Tigray intellectuals are supportive of Dr. Debretsion Admin (TPLF in general), that tells you the relationship between TPLF and Tigray people. By the way you put it well, the very reason why TPLF got back its life is because of the IA “Game Over” mantra and PMAA bad judgment, surprisingly some people still don’t get it.
Regardless how much they run against TPLF, the truth is TPLF has done way more than any leader Ethiopia has ever had.

Thanks,

Paulos

Selam Samuel,

Isaias was sent to China for indoctrination in the late 60s and the Cultural Revolution had just come to an end where he learned a thing or two from Communist China where one is— the Front would need a vanguard party and the other is Mao’s dictum when he said “Power stems from the barrel of a gun.” I suspect he might have learned the ugly legacy of the Cultural Revolution as well when he elected a shepherd with a stick over men or women with Samsonite. And as a matter of principle and in a sharp contrast, Debretsion elects men or women with Samsonite over a shepherd with a stick.

Abi

Paul
I bet that Samsonite is full of looted gold.

Paulos

Abination,

Good one! Thanks for the laugh.

Paulos

Abination,

Question for you. What do you think of Eskinder Negga?

Abi

Hello Samuel
I’m struggling to put TPLF, Tigray intellectuals, Tigray people and Dr DebreTsion in the same state. You are brave enough to put them in the same sentence.
መርቅነሃል እንዴ?

Nitricc

Hey Abiy;I need your honest take. May be you have a clearer sight to it than the homies. The Tigryans are telling the Eritreans that we are brothers and we all need from the Eritreans is brotherhood while the Amara are just your ports. Then their General comes out say all garbage. If you were An Eritrean, what do you believe?

Hashela

Hi Nitriicc

No polling needed. Use and trust your sharp mind.

Nitricc

Hey Hashela; I am just desperate to see Eritrea out of this predicament and move in to peace and development but it seems no way out with this people. Eritrea needs to clean her house and maintain orders and normality. For how long are going on this uncertainty?

Hashela

Hi Nitricc

I am sure you have stocks and you are nervously following the wild fluctuations of the stock market. If you have diversified your long-term investment, you are most likely sleeping better than others.

Nitricc

Hi Hashela: speaking of investment; I was thinking to lease Asseb, to UAE for say 25 years and that will shut everyone out and let them deal with that and Eritrea gets those years to work things out with her self . What you say, bad or good idea?

Hashela

Diversify!

Nitricc

Got you?

sara

selamat Hashela,
he is not the first and only, there are many who said same and more and written even books,……that is what i was told when i raised this to
my friend who is good in Amharic language.
what i am wondering is, there was an uproar recently when one not much know guy ” a journalist” said something similar to the general.,
but this time its like Ma”Elesh…. he is not this and that… WHY.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Sis Sara,

TsadQan and Siye have had a well established hate against Eritreans and anything we stood for. They are know elements on that. Nothing new. Both these generals insist to continue the war and refuse the instruction of the late PMMZ during the border war. After the war Siye was sent for brief imprisonment and TsadQan was fired from his post chief of staff of the Ethiopian army. And I don’t think they are members of TPLF now. I am more afraid what our despot can do harm to our sovereignty than these two, though we should fight against their sentiments as we should.

Paulos

Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

That is precisely my point. Thank you. These guys are fringes and they are using the new found platform to spew their old grudges against Eritrea where they were as you have put it fired from the point on account of their aggressive posturing towards Eritrea. I personally don’t take serious nor should the rest in this Forum.

Teodros Alem

selam paulos
u said “these guys r fringes and they r using the new found platform to spew their old grudges against eritrea” r u guys saying tigrai as tigrai or as part of ethiopia don’t have geopolitical and economical interests in the region? r u guys saying, tigrai should only support eritrea’s adventure(interest) but not her own interests? u can like or dislike or agree or disagree what tsadqan has said but when ever u disagree or dislike u can’t say it is all about grudges.
as eritrea has its own interests in the region, u have to know and consider the rest of the region has also interests in the region and knowing ur interests and win win approach is the only way out from the ever end conflict, not adventure.

Abi

Paul
But you and all the tplf admirers including the major Eritrean websites did take tamrat negera seriously.
He was called Amhara wannabe Oromo by all knowing big shots at this website. You don’t need to know what was written at the garbage website thingy assenna .
What sara asking is why the deafening silence by the known admirers of tplf when it comes to ፃድቁ ጀነራል?

Teodros Alem

abi
“Tela bet”, they just want the eritreans to know that tplf interest is the one that has been implemented the last 27 years and is not what tsadqan , as if the last 27 years was eritrea or tigrai or the region interest. Leaving assab for camels is nobodies interests, it is just egotistical adventure.

sara

selamat ato amanuel,
that person “journalist ” was also not part of a government or any known political party, but he was condemned by many and even an article was dedicated for and about him in this forum…..
why things are mute …. for this well known x government leaders and now actively pursuing politics outside the government of the day.
as for not insults but political fight, … , my question to you is..
arent this people showing their intention to go to war to get what they perceive is theirs….by any means…. isn’t this informally declaring war
if not now later. dont you think they deserve to be challenged by another means.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Sis Sara,

Yes we have to fight to any sentiments against our sovereignty be it from the mouth piece of a government or non government individuals. More so we have to prepare ourselves for any eventuality whatever it takes both politically and military than shouting like crying baby. ኣቦታትና እንታይ ይብሉ ከምዚ ክርእዩ ከለው “ዝገብር ነዲኡ ነይነግር”::

Dear Sara, better to watch out our “despot” what he could do harm to our sovereignty, as he is the “inside enemy” who could collaborate with the Ethiopian Government and the individuals who are sending signals that affect our sovereignty. Don’t forget when Abiy was saying also “our ports”, and keep in mind, if this isn’t a failure (may be conspiracy) from our handlers, we can’t hear such aggressive reactions from Ethiopian side.

Teodros Alem

selam sara
aman h will come and tell u , yes these people needs to be challenged, our own dictator is conspiring with them but stadqan is not tplf and kicked out of tplf by the good meles because of his Alliance with the “neftegns” and because of his stand on eritrea, because meles loves us , the people of eritrea, so our fight is not with tplf and beloved tigrai but with our dictator and all time enemy the amahras.
sara, i think u better go and start preparing “T’ameye” for dinner, stop wasting ur time.

Hashela

Selam Sara

You have a talent to challenge people By asking a multi-layered question. Sorry my late answer, currently I am baby-sitting.

The statement and sentiment of the General is not new and it is shared by the core part of TPLF. It is well documented and the list is long. TPLF is an organization that thrives on the misery of others people.

The reason as to why the cry was loud when Tamart made a similar statement is simple. In addition to genuine concerns and anger by all Eritreans, TPLF and their Eritrean supporters made sure it gets maximal media coverage. TPLF wants to remind us that AmaHaras are still our enemy and TPLF cares about Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity more than Eritreans (ደይሐፍር ድሙ ገብረማይራም ሽሙ).

When TPLF top general said what is consensus within TPLF, TPLF cadres and their Eritrean Supportes wasted no time to tell us that the General didn‘t mean so and he is not part of TPLF. They conveniently forgot/omitted that the interview was made in Tigray and TPLF failed so far to issue a statement that denounce the statement of their top General.

The position of the General is that of the TPLF. The only minor disagreement they may have or not have is the timing of the statemen.

Paulos

Nitrikay,

I assume you understand Tigrinya and I want you to watch this video. It was year 2000 and the Eritrean people were mobilized to destroy the Weyanes. You can hear 8 to 11 years old kids marching on the side-walks chanting–ሸ ሹ ሺ ሻ ወያነ ተሓምሺሻ! And equally with the same zeal and passion the mothers as well filled the streets of Asmara shouting–ንኤርትራ ናይ ወያነ መቓብር ክንገብራ ኢና!

Now, 20 years after the fact, chances are the kids who are now in their late 20s or early 30s to the very least half of them are in the refugee camps in Tigrai when the mothers sent them away saying that they will be safe anywhere including in the Weyane-Land but in Eritrea. Think and context matters when the Weyanes received the children with open arms including defending them when Isaias in cahoots with Abiy is shutting down the refugee camps.

Hey P; I think I know you more than any one in this forum. You are sharp, educated and I must say all rounded person. I have a lot of respect for you. But I must say your judgement is one sided. I have told so many times that I didn’t even know where Eritrea is and it sounds more absurd if I tell you I love Eritrea more than you do. I get that but if checovera; can go and fight fight for Cuba and extend his fight all the way to Africa, I am the son of Eritreans who both my father and my mother fought fought the nation called of Eritrea, I ask my self, what is my responsibility? What ma I to do? This is the question I am faced with and I struggle every day with what to do. I see and hear my parents story. what I am supposed to do, sit and ignore the responsibilities? No, I can not do that. I understand, with you shared on this forum, your sympathy with Tigrayans were due to what you observed the abuse when grown up but that has a limit. To sympathy what the have endured and what they doing now is completely different. Like I have said, my first and For most is the well being of Eritrea and Eritreans. I really feel you shaded Eritrea and Eritreans short. You may have a good reason for it, but not good e enough for me. This people who are called Eritreans suffers to great and nothing will held me to be for them and die for their dignity. Because they are people of dignity and prideful. It is not heat say, read and observe what they have done.. you never once mentioned theEritrean people sufferings, it is always how the Tigrayan were treated badly by Eritreans. You never once mentioned how the Eritreans were deported by the Tigreans because the colors of their eyes. I am fine with your stand but the Eritrean people don’t deserve from on of their own. You keep saying that the Tigrayans accept the Eritrean refugee in open arms, frankly, it was more about derailing Eritrean youth, getting dollars and settling more Tigryans on the name of Eritreans. That is the truth. It is okay, Tigray may need yours and Aman-H’s defense but Eritrea I don’t think so. Even it means death, well so be it. So my point is you are bing unfair to Eritrea and unfair to your own blood. We have no choice but to watch from our adversaries and our own. It is tough but we no alternative. Saying so, I have nothing but love for you, although I disagree whole heartedly with your stand. It is in honer as well as a pleasure to assume and take care Eritrean issues. I am on it. I know many people hide behind PIA but he is old, swing and a goner but Eritrea must move on. Like they said, Eza hager seb alewa. Now come back to your sense, people and country.

Abi

Hello General
In Ethiopia we say
“የማያውቁት አገር አይናፍቅም”
What is holding you back from visiting a country that your own parents brought to existence?
You have to show your gratitude by visiting the country.

Nitricc

Hey Abiy; that is, I guess Ethiopian saying but in here there is no such a thing . Before your Fitfeta, why don’t you answer me what I have asked you respectfully? Unlike you I will give you an answer; I didn’t visit Eritrea because I can’t. Anymore questions?

Abi

Hello General
I had to search for your question since I was absent for hours doing something important like watching premier league. (It is a soccer game in case you are confused)

Now back to your toothless question General.
What was your question again?

I hope you find the means to go and visit Eritrea. In the mean time, please take a look at this video of Ethiopian (Caleb – Ethiopia in me you tube channel) on his visit last year. I read recently that he passed away by accident. Let his soul Rest In Peace, what a huge loss and what a bright and hopeful young man he was.

That is the best video I have seen in years on Asmara. Got me nostalgic particularly the misty days at the airport when we used to go there to receive guests. And brought back memories of my teenage years in downtown [ካቴድራለ and ቺነማ ኢምፔሮ.] I miss the city! Thanks for sharing.

Nitricc

Hey Berhe; if indeed, I get the chance to get to go to Eritrea; I will walk shoes less from the airport to my hotel. I have to honor all the fallen patriots. I can’t disrespect their sacrifices. It doesn’t much for what they did but to show my undying respect for their contributions. It is not if, it is the matter of when. I have been all over the world but not to Africa. I had few opportunities To go to Africa but my first must be Eritrea, if not no deal. The good thing is the US and Eritrea are cooking something behind the close doors and hopefully, it will be sooner than later. We will see, it is a dream of mine.

Berhe Y

Hi Nitricc,

So you are telling me you are waiting for the US government to pay for your air ticket. Now I know why you are so obssessed with “free ticket”:). It sounds like what you are like to accuse others of “selling their soul” for free air ticket.

ሓሳብ ልብኻ የስምረልካ፡ ጁባኻ ይምልአልካ፡ ዓድኻ ብሰላም የርእየካ፡፡

Berhe

Abi

Hawna Berhe
You missed the point as usual.
The toothless General is telling you he will go to Asmara officially representing the USA at some capacity.
Like a military attaché or May be even higher.

Berhe Y

Hi Abi,

I knew exactly what he was saying….I was just trying to give him his own medicine and obsession with “free ticket”.

Berhe

Abi

Hawna Berhe
Definitely ነትራኬ is looking for a free ticket and free lodging.

Berhe Y

Hi Abi,

I think he is looking for security clearance:) as well.

Berhe

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Haw Berhe,

Socrates had said: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” That is why when PFDJites did lose the debate, they resort to all kinds name calling. So don’t give them the platform by engaging with them.

Nitricc

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

Hi Aman-H; are you saying you didn’t received a free ticket and free lodges from the TPLF thugs? Please; have some shame. The fact is not a slender, you were bought by TPLF thugs to stand against the country. The truth but nothing the truth. so where exactly is this fact become a slander?

Teodros Alem

selam aman h
I know it is none of my business but when was the last time u convinced a person(debater) through debate? none. berhe and co is ur body, they already convinced themselves to agree in anything that attack…

Nitricc

Hi Teddy; you got a point their. Aman-H doesn’t like to be challenged. He sounds almost like a person of authority that orders you. He got three tactics, when he is cornered; one he will tell you to read his past articles. 2nd He will snap at you like a child and he shuts off. 3rd silence! he ignores you and tells people not to engaged with you.

Abi

Hello General
Why don’t you use your real name when you debate Ato Amanuel?

Teodros Alem

abi
good question tela bet, but what different does it make? I use my real name.
why aman h and u block ur disqus profiles? to hide what ?

Abi

Hello TA
I learned a whole lot from ጠላ ቤት including swatting the annoying flies .
Now ዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝም በል::

Hey Abiy; it is the plan. I will stick with nitricc and that is unmistakable name. I could have said my name is Gebremeskel or Abinet but that will be mistaken with so many people. how many people do you know their name is Nitricc? Only one. Uncharacteristically you are slow today.

Abi

Hello General
Sorry ሚሊሽያ ወታደር ነትራካ
I’m disappointed you missed the point.
I just gave the fourth and time tested tactic used by Ato Amanuel.
He always says “ why don’t you use your real name.?

Please pay attention.

Nitricc

Hey Abiy; I guess hang out with my good friend Berhe and I caught the slowness lol. Please stop getting me in trouble with my good friend Berhe. Okay the slow thing was on me. Lol

Abi

Hello General
This is the third time you disappointed me in two days.
The other day you asked two question and I answered twice but you didn’t get it.
You have been slow for a while.

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
And he doesn’t make sense at all , it is really hard to agree with none sense.

Saleh Johar

Thanks Paulos,
That guy with “Soldi da Buttare” is doing more than “buttare via i soldi”, he is acting like the Arab prince of the seventies. He is more involved in a destructive project–deeper that his irresponsible remarks.
Thanks for the compliment 🙂

Nitricc

Hey SJ; while the iron is hot, I have listened to your interview with SBS? I don’t know one of your current interviews and you were a little soft in defending the interest of Eritrea. I get that you are an opposition to the current system but you have the responsibility to voice and defend the nation. At least that what I felt.

Saleh Johar

Nitricc dear,
If you expect me to be jingoistic , you will be disappointed. I do not follow any script on how to defend Eritrea . It’s my own way and choice. So, I do not equate noise to genuine reasonable defense. I suggest we let those infatuated with sloganeering to their think and we do our thing. At the end, we will se if it’s reason or sloganeering that will save Eritrea because not it is no more about defending Eritrea but saving it.

Nitricc

Hey SJ; it is kind of offensive to what i said, because I have done nothing. Nada what you have done for Eritrea. You have given up your youth, your blood, your sweat and your time. What have done? Nothing! I know that but what I have the temerity what I have said is, simply you didn’t show the worth of what you have sacrificed for the nation. You tried more to be politically correct than telling wha it is. That all what I am saying. It is time to say what needed to be said . That is if I am making any sense .

Saleh Johar

Sorry Nitricc,
Sorry for filing to prove nothing to you. If I want to do that, I will copy and paste jingoist comments. It’s so easy. But thank you for standing up for the PFDJ Eritrea.

Nitricc

Hi SJ; follow your own advice. You are public figure and it is fair to criticize and comment on your political activities. No need to be offended. If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t bother to voice my comments. Relax I will not do it again. For the record, I never stood for PFDJ; I stood with Eritrea’s best interest keeper, if that is happened to be PFDJ, then I am. I hope you are not expecting me to stand with TPLF to oppose PFDJ. It will never happen in Million years. Anyway, SJ, don’t get offended if people comment on your comments, after all that what democracy is all about. Have a good one.

Saleh Johar

You are funny Nitricc,
You have all the right to criticize and I have all the right to respond Does it mean I shouldn’t respond? Why? I cannot defend your right by trashing mine. It’s a discourse Please don’t hold anything say what you will … only recognize my right to respond. It has nothing to do with being offended or not but if I feel you are wrong, expect to be ignored or responded to. Remember one’s right to say stuff doesn’t prevent the subject from responding. If that is not fine with you, get a punching bag. Patience and height level of tolerance should not be equated with forfeiting one’s right. Cool down, don’t be defensive when you get a rebuttal and always expect to be treated likewise. Thanks my friend and continue what you do, don’t worry abou my respond. Take it for what it is… I am cool

Nitricc

Hi SJ; I was expecting for to ask me for reason for my comment. You said, let the people solve the border issue and I didn’t expect that from you. You know more than I ever do, the two nations went to fuel blooded war and that couldn’t settle the matter and went to court. And the court has rendered its verdicts. Now, after all that do you think it was wise to say let the people solve it? That is all I am saying. The issue is done legally and it is better and wiser to follow and execute the rule of the court. That is the only way this issue can be solved and that guarantees the coming generation of the two people to live in peace. That is all for my comment for you.

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam SGJ,

In some sectors of Eritrean politics “jingoism and heaps of insults” is considered as part of defense mechanism. That is why those of us who are not in to it, have become the targets of their blackmailing. Imagine when the veiled individuals behind pen names are to be called patriots by some quarters in our discussion. That shows you how “Eritrean patriotism” is devalued especially when our true patriots are dying in the dungeons of PFDJ. Your piece: “the doers & the pretenders” clearly justifies to what I am pointing out. This reminds us when Trump awarded the bad mouthed Rush Limbaugh the highest presidential Medal of Freedom. Do you see any parallelism in the Eritrean politics?

Nitricc

Hi Amanda-H; PFDJ is as dead as your beloved TPLF. This is what you couldn’t comprehend. You are stuck in the past you couldn’t see both of them are dead. You are not helping the process. I have no problems that you are affiliated with blood sockets, the TPLF but in your caliber and stand, you should have understood the suffering of the Eritrean people and the evil intentions of your beloved Tplf. Again come to your senses. If anything what your beloved crying general said could have gave you a pose and examined your stand . No mater what eza hager seb alewa regardless your support to the Evil TPLF. Trust me.

Sultan M.G.

Ahlen Ya General:
I was right on the $ when I crowned you with a 5* General Award.
An Eritrean blood stamina and principle!
Look who is quite about the baby crier Gen Chadkan!

U guessed it right!

Huh?
People talk about jingoism!
Here is what I call jingoism:
-Creating polarization and division among Eritreans through obsolete tactics of using Language,Region and Scial Groups in the name of Justice Seekers at the wrong time when Eritrea and Eritreans were in their darkest moment(2000-now)
-Let alone to protest against and/or condemn the evil Janda and its evil and devastating acts, they have Kept SILENT when the same bloody enemies of Eritrea and Eritreans were doing their best to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans and even WORSE,executing directly or indirectly the evil agenda of the same bloody enemies of Eritrea… besides crediting them as Progressives and Visionaries

C) Reporting against and sabotaging the Independent Eritrean Groups and their Independent Struggle through character Assassination and intensive Defamatory Campaigns labeling them as “Chauvinist Highlanders and Crusaders as well as PFDJ Apologists…

Twenty yrs after the damage had been done with a big TOLL and SCAR on Eritrea and Eritreans,they belatedly started acting like…. “Rational and Reasonable”people,apparently coz their Master has gone down hill.

You have been SPOT ON,buddy,when you boldly and confidently declared that,despite all sorts of evil agenda and destructive acts against Eritrea by the bloody enemies and existential THREAT of Eritrea ,fully supported by its Mast ER s, Etitrea, INDEED,has STOOD UP FIRM and came out STRONGER and TALLER than EVER by annihilating all those , who attempted and did their BEST to wipe out Eritrea from the map and to crush anything Eritrean ….

Congrats to your Brave Parents,who contributed to have founded such a FORMIDABLE Nation called Eritrea against all ODDs!

Pride yourself buddy.

Keep fighting and shining for Eritrea and NEVER give up and NEVER surrender and NEVER EVER kneel down except when praying to God and shooting at an enemy …
Mahmuday is SMILING !

Abi

Hello Sultan
You are salty this morning.
Since it is Sunday, I like you to repeat the following after me.
አትዋሽ
በሃሰት አትመስክር
You and I keep doing this every Sunday to calm you down a bit.
Don’t forget to say አሜን.

Hashela

Selam Amanuel

Something unrelated to today‘s topics.

In the Eritrean government’s media and somewhere else, I often read “ተሰዊኡ/ተሰዊአ“ in the context of announcing an age– and sickness–related death of veteran Tegadelti. In my opinion, the use of the revered term to a natural death is inappropriate and misplaced.
More irritating is when journalists say to an interviewee “ግዜኻ አሰዊእኻ ምምጻእኻ ነመስግነኻ”

I feel it is more correct to say “ገዲም ተጋዳላይ xxxx ዒሪፉ” and “ግዜኻ አወፊኻ ምምጻእኻ ነመስግነኻ”

What is your opinion on this?

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Well, Dr. In the bizzaro world of hgdf, anything is possible.
Their follower are either pure idiots or contaminated by hatred. So, how are they question them on what proper words to use.
መስተ ሰትዩ ዝተፈገመ ተሰዊኡ
መኪና ተግለቢጡ ዝሞተ ተሰዊኡ
ሒዝዎ ዝሞተ ተሰዊኡ
ባዕሎም ዝረሸኑዎ ተሰዊኡ
ባናና ረጊጹ ሸታሕ ዝበለ ተሰዊኡ
ሓሩር ባጽዕ ዘንቀጾ ተሰዊኡ

Paulos

ማሃንድሳይ,

Hope this is not a dark question or sensitive, do they say ተሰዊኡ/ኣ when a former ተጋዳላይ/ሊት takes his or her own life? Just curious.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Doterre,
Unfortunately they do, in many cases.

Paulos

ማሃንድሳይ,

Oh ok. I didn’t know. Thanks.

Hashela

Mehandis

This is funny and true. እቲ ዓመጽ ኣብ ህዝቢ ጥራሕ ኣይተወሰነን!

Paulos

Hashela,

Good catch and great thinking. Never thought about ጊዜኻ ሰዊእካ.

Hashela

Hi Paulos

Welcome back to ደንበ!

Amanuel Hidrat

Merhaba Doctore,

I just read your comment and your question. Sorry for belated response. Now, for government that lives and thrives on the Ghedli cultural etiquette, it is not unthinkable to see the Ghedli languages to persist and exist. So also the language “ተሰዊኡ/ተሰዊአ“ when it shouldn’t. You are right on what it should have to be said, and that is: “ገዲም ተጋዳላይ/ተጋዳሊት ዓሪፉ/ዓሪፋ and “ግዜኻ ወፊኻ/ወፊኺ ምምጻእካ/ምምጻእኪ::

Haile S.

Selam Hashela, Emma et al,

To borrow Nitricc’s expression, I think you guys are slow today:-) :-).

I totally agree with you. But in this logic should we go and reserve the መቓብር ሓርበኛታት (our Arlington) for those those who died in the independence war only or on the contrary include all those who died for the sovereignty of the nation. The debate and twists can go far. What I was point at was the interpretation of the regime, as I understood it.

Wouldn’t you say, ሰማእታት has more religious connotation as opposed to we use it to commemorate ስዋኣት ተጋደልቲ?

Amanuel Hidrat

Ahlen Dr Paulos,

The word martyrs “ ስዋኣት” is borrowed from the holy book (the Bible) to refer the sacrifice of prophets, apostles, and the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ to save us. Now, like “the noble army of martyrs praise thee,” we praise our martyrs for the selfless sacrifice to the cause of our people. The word “martyrdom” has a significance in both sets of beliefs one in the “spiritual world” and the other in the “real world” we live in. I hope this will answers your question.

Haile S.

Selam Paul, Emma et all,

ሰማእታት is originally Geez. It is more used in amharic than in tigrigna. I think ሰማእት or ሰማእታት (pl) means specifically martyr & martyrs, while መስዋእቲ can be used to describe other sacrifices as we discussed this morning. I find it curious that both words are very similar. Probably መስዋእት came from ስርማእት.

Paulos

Thank Haillat. This is cool stuff.

Saleh Johar

Hi Haile,
It in all Abrahamic religions. ስውእ is ሸሂድ (literally “witness” in Jewish, Christian and Muslim traditions.

Saleh Johar

Paulos,
Whoever dies protecting his life and family, land, and religion for for its interest, is known as shaheed ስውእ And can be buried without washing the body and without shrouds መግነዝ because a martyr is considered cleansed by the mere act of dying for in defense or for honoring the Devine religious order… and is destined to heaven with no judgement. That is the belief.

General XadQan is a typical TPLF. TPLF’s lecture about “brotherhood with Eritrea and respect for its sovereignty” is a cutout lip-service sentence that ends with a hidden tail “untill opportune time”. And they are doing everything to sabotage possible peace in order to make this opportune time get realized. You have treated PIA’s collaboration on this issues, so I will not dwell on it. TPLFers are worst than their predecessor regimes in believing in possession and subjugation; we hear them and their elites saying “Red Sea is ours”, “Assab is ours”, “Badme was decided to be ours” “Kebessa inhabitants are tegaru” & “Yohannes’s horse use to quench its thirst in the red sea”, BTW, it must have been a Trojan horse to tolerate sea water. Anyway anything is possible in dreams. The only thing they haven’t clearly said is “Eritrea is ours”. The drive of these war lords for war, domination and mayhem is mind boggling. ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, DJIBOUTI, SOMALIA, SUDAN WERE DELIMITED AT THE SAME PERIOD,. And that is the existing legal framework that rules and on which decisions & arbitrations are based upon. If XadQan & Co are to go to history to claim what they think they possessed, they have a lot to loose. They should claim Abyssinia. For almost a 1000 years, Abyssinia was limited in its mountainous territories far from the sea imprisoned within the mountains west of the western escarpment of the rift valley far from any smell of a sea. Only Balgadas ventured east to the Dallol region to collect rock salt (ኣሞሌ ጨው). The closest and the only outlet Abyssinia had during this time was Massawa, a territory it never controlled itself, and with no basis to claim it.

Abi

ሰላም ጋሼ ኃይለኛው
እርስዎ አላስተዋሉም እንጂ ፃድቃን ምድሪቱን ይወርሳሉ ይላል ታላቁ መፅሀፍ::

Amanuel Hidrat

Selam Hailat,

“ ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, DJIBOUTI, SOMALIA, SUDAN WERE DELIMITED AT THE SAME PERIOD,”

Yes indeed. There was no Ethiopia as such before the partition of Africa by the colonizers. African nations and their borders are created by the colonizers. So also modern Ethiopia and Eritrea. They don’t exist as a nation state before us. Because there were not nation state before the partition of Africa. XadQan’s attempt to revive the old dreams of Ethiopian rulers and their remnants is to satisfy the joint strategy of Issayas and Abiy, the sole leaders who are working hard for that idea. The so called peace agreement is a “sugar coated poison pill” against our sovereignty and the aspiration of Eritrean people. Don’t even think real peace with the current Ethiopian leaders.

Teodros Alem

selam aman h
R u saying there was no ethiopia or Abyssinia at all before the partition of africa?, before menilek? Or r u saying there was Abyssinia but not ethiopia as we know it today?
if u saying the later, most countries of the world don’t have same border that they have a centuries ago, some countries shrank and some expand.
I know u don’t say same thing about USA or russia or India and so on countries but USA started 13 states and now 50+2 territory, Pakistan was part of India and russian border changed so many times.
by the way did u listen aboy sebhat interview, he rejected u guys offer(akatarinet) big time, he said “those who r advocating for tigrai togragna r BANDAS.

Nitricc

Hi Teddy; you cracking me up. Lol
I never asked this but what is the meaning of Banda? I thought it means like treiter or betrayal but again I heard there is part of Asmara called Geza-Banda. Very confusing. So when the old man used the word what is he saying?

Teodros Alem

Selam Nitricc
The funny part is, even though they r unashamed to serve his perceived tendency of harming ethiopia and eritrea but he rejected them.
banda is Italian word i think but in ethiopia it means ” some one who sold his soul for a cheap price to enemy, who is conspiring to harm his country, family, friends and so on.
by the way listen to aboy sebhat interview, i think he is the only straight forward guy, i have followed him for long, listen to his speech, i think like 3 years ago i think in gonder.

Hashela

Selam Haile

Your are right. The value of General TzadKan’s “revelation” lies in revealing the ephemeral nature of “the brotherhood with Eritrea and respect for its sovereignty” deception attempt by TPLF. Now, one hopes that TPLF cadres and their Eritrean supporters give us a break from their relentless propaganda.

There was and is no difference between TPLF and AmHara elites when it comes to Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Nitricc

Hi Hashela: the problem is when we tell them TPLF means no the people of Tigray and they tell us, Tplf is the people of Tigray. So can we take Tsagkan’s position as the position of the people of Tigray?

Hashela

The position of the General is that of the Tigrayan elites. The latter determine the relationship of Tigray and Eritrea.

Personally i don’t trust Tsadqan. He may have said what he said about assab for his own special reason.
Nevertheless, you brought one important point. You said, “For almost a 1000 years, Abyssinia was limited in its mountainous territories far from the sea imprisoned within the mountains west of the western escarpment of the rift valley far from any smell of a sea.”
If so, who were the people who lived outside the limits of Abyssinia, on the red sea coast, and who are the people who represent them today? Abyssinia from what i know included the Amhara – Tigray – Eritrean highlands, if i am not mistaken. When you say “…west of the western escarpment of the rift valley”, what exactly is the difference from the above. Does it mean that Abyssinia didn’t include Highland Eritrea? Thanks.

Haile S.

Selam Horizon,

No difference between what you said and I. Yes it included the Eritrean highlands. Any difference or historical faults that existed between Eritrean highland, tigray and the rest of Abyssinia is a question of convergence or divergence vs the central power (Shawa or Gondarian). At times the power was strong and many times weak due to wars and distance. When real peace comes to the region, when certain elites ditch away their desire of subjugation and we were this and that biases, true historians will have the pleasure of analysing and recounting history without any honey coating their piece of the large pie.

Berhe Y

Selam Hailat,

The only thing they haven’t clearly said is “Eritrea is ours”.

They have. Because their initial plan was to creat wedge between Eritrean from the high lands and lowlands. They assumed, the Eritrean highland would fall for their trick and join them and help them create greater Tigray as in Tigray-Tigrinya or Agazians. When that experiment failed miserably, they have changed course and start saying, they are not from highlands but rather they are from Tigray. Their conclusion Eritrea didn’t exist before the Italians, there for it was part of Tigray.

But the highland without the sea is if yes yse To them, so they will incorporating all of Eritrea to belong to them. They are nit making any distinction anymore, Highlander, low lander, Christian/ Muslim’s etc.. but the whole country.

Berhe

Nitricc

Hi Berhe; himmmmm? Once every 5 years you make sense; you right about that. Think of AWOL SiEid, the guy is nothing but a though and through True Eritrean but look how the Agazians and rif-rafs are trashing him. I am Awol SiEid 100%. Forget Nitricc, I am Awol the brave and true Eritrean. Good bless him. And thank you for acknowledging the truth once every five years.

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Nitircc,
What truth? This was long poem and it has so many sub divisions. Some of them were correct, few misleading and some factious.
However, the guy has a skill but if he only lived in a free world.

Berhe Y

Hi MM,

I have not heard or seen his video. But considering where he is (inside Eritrea) I don’t think it’s fair to accuse him for his “stand”, as he can’t truly have his own stand.

Fair enough. I read your poem and I have nothing to disagree with you. Please share the link of his poem. I saw the one he did for Adal but I don’t know which one is everyone talking about.

Berhe

መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

Hi Berhe,
A lot of the criticism about him is not not fair. You can’t expect him to clearly say anything about the dictator, unless he decides to commit suicide.
That’s why I stated some of what he said is wrong and some pure fictious.

Thank you for educating us about Jeberti. If I am not mistaken, you are a Jeberti yourself. As we know, Jeberti is the only group which is not native Eritrean. Their origin is Tigray (Ethiopia). It is known that they could not practice their religion in many parts of Tigray. Many of them emigrated to today’s Eritrea. They made through the borders and they settled down in Eritrean rural areas. They married local women, converted them to Islam and got kids. That was very smart. By doing that, they could integrate easily and acquired easily Eritrean citizenship. On the other hand, the Christian Tegaru from Tigray settled down in the cities (like Asmara). They are still called Tegaru (no Eritrean citizenship) even though they have been living there for generations. They are still feeling the heat.
Eritrean fathers welcomed the Jebertis without any reservation.During the last years of the struggle (for Eritrean independence) I was in the diaspora. As far as I remember, over 90% of the Jeberti were not supporting the struggle. They were considering EPLF as a Christian liberation front. They associated EPLF with Kebesa and it was regarded as enemy. After independence, they were the front runners for advocating Arabic to be national language. They also requested to recognize Jeberti as an Eritrean ethnic group. Why they want to speak Arabic even though their mother language is not? Why they want to create a new ethnic group? We have already 8/9 ethic groups. Why we need to create new and additional ethnic group? I just keep wondering.
Thank you
Hawaz

Haile S.

Dear Hawaz Tesfom,
Your comment is completely misplaced. I didn’t talk of Jeberti.
BTW where does your hate of Jeberti come from? Why all this hate?

Thank you for being honest but still wrong.
When you begin saying , “as we know” it’s a sign of group think. Anything That starts with that affirmative claim is mostly wrong if not biased or ill intentioned. Hebert I have many origins many are coverts, or assimilated etc. if you claim that Jeberti are not native because of their religion you need to learn more. For instance if you join the jeberti you will be one of them and no one will question your origin. That’s why they are a nation. Then, you call them by their name and then ask why they are called jeberti! You decide that yourself. But it’s a short code for bigotry against Muslims. As for who is native and who is not, don’t open that can of worms because you cannot handle the truth. I suggest you go to their villages and tell them they do not belong there. Then what happened to the widely held story that Ahmed Gragn concerted then to Islam? How come it is now very recent as opposed to 600 years or so ago in the time of Gragn? Make up your mind , I suggest.

Abi

Hello Mr Jack Nicholson
“You can’t handle the truth” the famous line from “A Few Good Men”. Mr Nicholson should be proud of you.
Ato Saleh, you can’t fix stupid and you can’t possibly argue the Jeberti issues with every ድንጋይ ራሥ every leap year.
The issue of Jeberti has been meticulously debated by Bayan Negash about four years ago.
Just refer his article and follow up debate for whoever wants to know a thing or two about Jebertis.

Selam All
ይአክል is nothing but a coordinated attack by the 3As against 3A.

mokie berhe

Salam all. Horrendously poorly written and biased article in favour of the TPLF. Article wishes to play Eritreans (and non-TPLF Ethiopians) off as being borderline mentally retarded. Incredibly shameful!
Whereas the path forward regarding the border and any current ‘agitation’ between the TPLF and PIA/PFDJ can easily be resolved by the TPLF simply withdrawing from Badme, this article instead attempts to coyly convolute matters and -spread & switch- blame onto PIA/PFDJ and takes opportunity to also blast PMAA. In so doing, it also strikes at old ELF-EPLF wounds (they should be left to rest) and attempts to play the decisive religious card.
There is absolutely no need ‘that both peoples tell their leaders to tone down’ if the TPLF simply withdraws.
You say that ‘as people are hoping for peace to reign in the region, he continues with the attitude agitating for more confrontation with the TPLF’. Again, if the TPLF simply withdraws, there would then be no agitation.
You say that ‘Any sane person would have though, after two decades, the case would come to rest. If the TPLF leaders love and respect Eritreans as they often declare, they should bring the border case to an end. But so far both leaders failed to do so and it’s time to hand over the border case to the residents of the conflict region.’ No it’s not a matter of both leaders, TPLF simply needs to withdraw.
You say ‘And now, instead of learning from. The mistakes of the past war, cadres of both regimes are agitation for a repeat of that tragedy.’ No, for it is only the TPLF that is at the heart of current problems; they simply need to withdraw.
You say that ‘And for the people of the region to live in peace, the ambitions, vindictiveness, and insanity of the leaders must be controlled. But Eritreas have an observation on the attitudes of the Tigray elite.’ Really? Now why would they have such an observation? Again, the answer if clear, TPLF simply needs to withdraw.
You say that ‘The main defining attitude of Tigrayans towards Eritrea and vice versa, is the often-remembered primordial bias and grudge against each other.’ Wrong! But the matter can quickly be resolved if the TPLF simply withdraws.

Samuel

Selam mokie berhe,
Are you insinuating that DIA will stop the killing, imprisonment and fleeing Eritrean citizens just simply “if the TPLF withdraws.”? You are one insane individual. Why would IA murder/imprison his own citizens to begin with? Is that because “TPLF couldn’t withdraw from Badme”? Why would the 11 politicians and 17 journalists arrested in 2001 just for criticizing DIA regime? Is it because “TPLF couldn’t withdraw”?
Please try to have rational argument, knowingly or unknowingly you are disseminating unrelated reasons to make your master happy.

Thanks,

Berhe Y

Hi Samuel,

I think what you are saying make sense, if IA will treat his people just or not. But you [TPLF] argument is straw man argument. You don’t answer the real question, when are they going to accept the boarder ruling without any condition and move on.

The problem is, IA and PFDJ are using the perceived “threat” as a reason to hold the people hostage. And the impact on the Eritrean people perception if TPLF is a good long term partner is real, including mine.

What do you think TPLF should do about the boarder issue?

Berhe

Samuel

Hi Berhe Y,
If things had continued just like how it started in September 2019 then we would have been in a different situation and different challenge this time. I understand that the rapprochement didn’t go as expected, the main reason to that wasn’t TPLF, it is PMAA and IA. Yes TPLF will be blamed to certain extent but the leaders has to be responsible at large. As we have all witnessed both PMAA and IA started to conspire against TPLF which means directly or indirectly they conspired against Tigray people interest (isolating Tigray and its government). Thus, TPLF as governing body in Tigray has responsibility to protect his constituency, that includes to work against the conspiracy of IA and PMAA.

In my opinion in order to build trust on both sides, normalization should take place first before border demarcation starts, but that’s not what happened, that normalization was halted after few months, borders were closed in all directions. The only thing left is “Asmara – Addis Ababa” flight, that shows you that both leaders didn’t/don’t have honest interest in normalization for the larger society. Generally their individual interest (PMAA and IA) has slowed down the border demarcation. Yes TPLF is also playing the politics because PMAA and IA are working against TPLF. The old saying goes “It takes two to tango”, to have better outcome there should be honesty in all parties involved.

Some people are expecting TPLF to do everything, but all leaders have equal responsibility to work for better tomorrow. Resentment and individual ambition should not be the driving forces, however what I have been observing is exactly that.
It is a law of nature that, when one works against your existence then you have the right to defend yourself, that includes working against the conspirators. If the argument is all should be blamed, I completely agree on that.

Thanks,

Sultan M.G.

Selamat Mokie:
U r spot on.
U know why the article is written up the way it is.
But I give the Author a due credit for at least partially acknowledging the evil agenda of “Few TPLF Leaders” against Eritrea and Eritreans !

They might have had some kind of “Strategic and Tactical” underground Alliance, which our so called Eri “Off-Position” had!

We also know the reason about the obvious flip-flopping,vague and confusing statements by/of same TPLF!
They are waiting for an opportunity to weaken Eritrea and divide Eritreans and take over Eritrea in their very own words publicly!

They still want to bargain about Baduma…
If the bargaining is about Tserona and Irob, I welcome it but they have a long term and evil insatiable agenda per Gen Tsadkan and the Tigrai elite,who openly told us that the Red Sea belongs to the Axumite empire( the so called Mekele Univ “ Professors “ declared so!).

A certain “ Prof” openly declared it during his interview via the SBS Radio along with Ustaz SGJ that the TPLF and Tigrai will NEVER discuss about border demarcation while PIA is in power.

This is a Janda that we can NEVER trust or rely on as a Partner. It is a worse evil Janda than the Amhara Chauvinists…

Note that it was us,ERITREANS,who forgot and forgave them and started to work together since 1991 but they STABBED us from behind.

Pay attention to the following statements(verbatim quote)!

“ We didn’t want them to go away completely but to keep them as a Federated State”(PMMZ)!
“ There will be a final war in “The North”( Siyye Abreha in 1995)
“ Tigrai shall have a Sea Outlet by all means possible”!
PMMZ.
“ Let their Aseb /Sea be a drinking water River/lake for their Camels and we would rather pay twice as much to Djibouti instead of paying a penny to Eritrea so as to choke Eritrea overnight economically”!
PMMZ!

And they were “NEAR SUCCESSFUL” thru illegal sanctions, economic, political, diplomatic and military sabotages and serious defamatory campaigns as well as thru the policies of ISOLATION,CONTAINMENT , Evil Axis /Alliance and No War No Peace “!

“Our final push was either to capture Aseb and or overrun Asmera”Gen Tsadkan” et al!

“ The best option for Tigrai is to create a weak Eritrea and declare a Strong Tigrai-Tigrigni Nation or State and rule as a Majority rather than being ruled as a minority in Ethiopia.

Nitricc

Hi All; There is biggest confusion among the so-called justice seekers; I mean revenge seekers. I thought SJ understood the difference but he didn’t. At one point he thanked the TPLF thugs for sheltering and educating Eritreans at other point he wishes the youth could stay home and maintain normal life. If anyone believed that TPLF thugs sheltered Eritreans out of care and kindness then you have the right to deceive your own self. if not this was part of design by the dead evil midget to set up a refugee comp and to watch bleed Eritrea to death. That was the whole plan but now after Eritrea refused to die and over-came all the evil intentions, to say thank you for sheltering is dishonesty. As far the washed up generals comments, well, they have to say those things to stay relevant. They are becoming the forgotten and the thing for the past. they must say something. If war is what they want, if Eritrea can fight and beat when their were in a fuel force; It won’t be a problem fighting just Tegaru. No one will stand with them anymore. but war is bad and should be avoided at all costs, although at the end of the day TPLF thugs will take down the people of Tigray with them.

Samuel

Hi Nitricc,
You said…. “If anyone believed that TPLF thugs sheltered Eritreans out of care and kindness then you have the right to deceive your own self. if not this was part of design by the dead evil midget to set up a refugee camp and to watch bleed Eritrea to death.” Let’s assume you are right, my question to you is why are Eritreans fleeing their beloved country? Is it because their government failed them or TPLF thugs tricked them?
If the history I know serves me right, it is for the first time Eritreans are fleeing their country or region (before Eritrea became sovereign country) in such staggering numbers, why is this happening now? Don’t you think their government is failing them? What is the real solution? How could you govern sovereign nation with endless excuses? To be honest with you if you really care about Eritrea and Eritreans focus on the real problem and solution. You can sing day-in and day-out about TPLF but it will not solve Eritrean problem. If citizens are comfortable in their country why would they flee their beloved country? You can’t keep the same excuses for more than 28 years.
During HS and Derg Tigrians used to flee to Eritrea because our government failed us, today Eritreans are fleeing to Tigray/Ethiopia, why do you think that is?

Thanks,

Nitricc

Is it because their government failed them or TPLF thugs tricked them?

Hi Samuel; the first thing to do is make a peace with you. If peace is not within no matter what you will continue this way, way confusion, uncertainty, fear and ultimately to your demise. When I say YOU, I am not saying you, personally, I mean to say the people of Tigray. You can help them to make a peace within their self. Tell them to be proud for whom they are. Tell them to respect and value themselves. To tell them to have dignity to stick to their history and culture during their 17 years fight. They don’t need to steal Eritrean’s history of the struggle. Tell the people of Eritrea are not better than you, stop respecting them more than you can respect yourself. The problem is you have this undeserving respect of Eritreans not only driving you crazy. Stop buying Eritreans. Stop bribing Eritreans. You may get a few Eritreans might be welling sell out and to do your job but majority will take your money and run. This guy was telling me that when crime is committed in Tigray and the police show up, the Tigryans gets locked up while the Eritreans go free. This is ridicules! Now, why would you do that? Eritrean police are busy hunting and locking up Tigryan Thieves, yet, you are rewarding crime that was committed by foreigners? Really?? And you wonder why Eritreans are flocking to your country? One Mekele insider told this forum that if a house is valued to
be rented 1000 Birr, if you are Eritrean you get it for 600 to 700. Why? You
see because you don’t respect yourself and deep inside you think Eritreans are better than you. Until you believed on yourselves, be proud who you are, respect yourself and respect your Tigryan-self; there will be never peace on that region. So, the problem is you, you have no self-respect, that takes you to low self-esteem, confusion and ultimately in to cureless inferiority.

Solomon

Selam Nitricc,

I know speaking with you is like speaking to the dead because you don’t ever learn. You have been at Awate for so many years with so many intellectuals and intelligent people gracing the forum with diversified ideas but you don’t even learn basic decency not to insult millions of people. Thanks God there are no rude and stupid Tigraway individuals like you in Awtae.

I have followed you so many times repeatedly alleging Tigrayans don’t respect themselves, they try to be Eritreans, they want to steal Eritrean history bla bla. and your evidence is they respect Eritreans. In your world respecting others is inferiority. I don’t know what kind of family or society raised you.

Tigray people respect not only Eritreans but anybody who is stranger that come to Tigay. Ask any non Tigrean Ethiopian who visited Tigray even in this difficult times, they will tell you how respectful they are. Only sick person like you feels good by disrespecting others.

If people are to be proud of their history then there can’t any body more prouder than them. They don’t need your history, they have sufficient history to cover the whole of Africa.

Tigray people know past glorious history is not something to brag about now while living in poverty, that is why you don’t hear them bragging like you. They are not living in their past history but working day and night to make their own history like what their ancestors had done.

In case you don’t know Tigrai is the mother of all civilizations in the horn of Africa. It is the Source of the Geez fidel, Christianity and Islam. Tigrai is the land of Qdoos Yaryed, Axum, Yeha and Wuqro Negash. Tigrai is the land of dauntless Emperors such as: Ezana, Kaleb, Armaha, Abraha, Elamda, Almeda, ZeraYakob… Yowhaness; Ras Alula, General Hayelom and much more. Tigrai is The home of the Ark of the covenant, the land of the just, brave, free and fair. we have everything to be proud of. Deal with it .

Nitricc

Hi Sami; I have never been more alive. The truth is why are stealing everything Eritrean? You if you are so proud people why take everything Eritrean as your Tigrayan? If you have self respect, why let go Eritrean criminals who committed crimes on your land? Why let Eritreans have a cheaper tent than your own? Why call up on Eritreans to come to your country? Why and why is endless. The truth is you think of your self beneath of the Eritreans and you fill inferior to them. That is what I am telling you.
What I am telling you is till you find tha courage you are the same human as Eritreans, you will suffer to the end. Today I was listening to your corrupted Siye, and he was BS-big that he go to Addis with his full Mechanized unit to 4kilo. Really you people are nothing but BS. Don’t worry about Eritrea, Eritrea will treat you with on choice of engagement. Just yesterday told us we are your brotherly nation and to day your washed up and alcohol ic crying general he wants Assab. Sorry my dude, you people are disgraced and not trust worthy. Like I have told anyone who listens, Eritrea have her true sons and daughters who will die for her honers. Eritrea and Eritreans don’t have a contingency plan. Eritrea or nothing is the order of the day. Go fool the Ethiopians.

Sultan M.G.

Dear Mod:
To match this critical article, please be so kind to make an exception to allow this clip clink to be posted…, “ Gen Tsadkan , the crying baby” salivating to take back Aseb!https://youtu.be/Tcp3YIa9BrU

Abi

Hello Sultan
I hate to disappoint you but it is practically impossible for you to make alliance with the devil in order to protect your sovereignty and independence.
Similar sides repel ይላል magnetism.

Sultan M.G.

Hello all:

An interesting Article and Sermon!!!
Late better than never.
-Calling the spade,a spade
-Condemning the TPLF legitimately
-Giving credit when due
Awel Said is an Eritrean Icon and Jewel and he deserves but the best credit for CALLING for an Eritrean Unity and condemning those, who are against it!
Calling him a Jeberti as if Jeberti is an insult??
Guess who is insulting him?
Not the PFDJ or its Apologists but the so called Opposition and few SELLOUT ERITREANS…, and the paid TPLF AGENTS!
This defamatory campaign by those sellouts against the strong message for unity by Awel Said is but to divide avd polarize Eritreans.
His Rxecelkency confessed that he only knew recently about the evil and destructive agenda of the TPLF….??? Hahahaha…. that is hilarious!
Sir, their evil agenda is generations old one,not dice 2008-2011!
It was the same TPLF who:
-Declared an Abay Tigrai Manifest in 1975 or so
-Unilaterally incorporates big chunk of Eritrean Territories
-Unilaterally invaded Adi Murug

-Deported more than 100,000 Eritreans and stole their life long earnings coz they didn’t like the color of their eyes
-Declared a conventional war to invade Eritrea officially and displaced a million Eritreans and invaded a third of Eritrea
-Attempted repeatedly to capture Aseb and or reverse the Eri Independence
His Excellency sounded as he NEVER knew all these well documented facts
Welcome to the club!
There was a legit reason as to why some of us have been “obsessed” with WeyAne.or” Few TPLF LEADERS”