TimonC346:Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

Source: NPR

I'm sure that's probably true--the problem is the alternative--which is zero representation of anyone but European or Asian descent at any high end American schools. Which then throws in our face AND highlights institutionalized racism all at the same time.

Considering where these kids are starting from, Affirmative Action is sort of like a necessary evil. It is inherently unfair to make up for the societal unfairness of simply being born a different color. I'm not sure if that bodes well for it being constitutional, but I certainly support it.

Asian people cannot be racist because they are not institutionalized. Traditionally racism is something that has been exlusively the domain of the white male power structure. To undo centuries of oppression, slavery and rape affirmitive action is needed to place white males below women and people of color. Centuries of oppression are not reversed in a few years, thus affirmitive action is needed until whites in power represent their true numbers on this black planet (a tiny minority).

Asians only achieve status due to the "model minority" stigma. The whites say jump and they say "how high" look good little worker bees in this hyper capitalist dystopia. I don't feel the need to apologize that blacks and browns have taken an alternate path and decide to take what is owed to us.

Silly Jesus:Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

True that I have a friend who went through something like that as a Legacy Admission he flunked out his first year and had to take a year off where he smoked a bunch of pot and did remedial study.

Hint: In private schools legacy admissions are around 10% of the student body. While affirmative action and disadvantaged admits are 5%.

ChuDogg:JesusJuice: ChuDogg: TimonC346: Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

Source: NPR

I'm sure that's probably true--the problem is the alternative--which is zero representation of anyone but European or Asian descent at any high end American schools. Which then throws in our face AND highlights institutionalized racism all at the same time.

Considering where these kids are starting from, Affirmative Action is sort of like a necessary evil. It is inherently unfair to make up for the societal unfairness of simply being born a different color. I'm not sure if that bodes well for it being constitutional, but I certainly support it.

Asian people cannot be racist because they are not institutionalized. Traditionally racism is something that has been exlusively the domain of the white male power structure. To undo centuries of oppression, slavery and rape affirmitive action is needed to place white males below women and people of color. Centuries of oppression are not reversed in a few years, thus affirmitive action is needed until whites in power represent their true numbers on this black planet (a tiny minority).

Asians only achieve status due to the "model minority" stigma. The whites say jump and they say "how high" look good little worker bees in this hyper capitalist dystopia. I don't feel the need to apologize that blacks and browns have taken an alternate path and decide to take what is owed to us.

Nobody owes you shiat. If your ancestors hadn't been enslaved, you'd be squatting in the mud in some filthy African shiathole with a distended stomach and blowflies crawling on you. It was white people who saved you from Africa, white people who freed you, and white people who send you your welfare checks. Show some gratitude.

ChuDogg:Also you might want to check your history, and no not the white washed version you probably learned in some Lilly white suburb.

Africans had some of the most glorious empires the world had seen. From the Mali empire, Kush, aksum, Egyptians, hell even ancient Israel was black. Whites in Europe were sitting around in straw huts smearing blood and feces on their bodies while Africans were building pyramids and empires.

It was only until whites stole inventions and weapons from colored folks they went on a raping and pillaging spree around the entire planet that literally not a single non white person was not a victim, and their descendants are still reeling from centuries of oppression.

Whites are literally the most evil group of people. Of course not all whites are like this, some of them apologize for it and are willing to step aside for colored folks. But most of you think nothing of keeping this oppression going on today, even blaming victims of your oppression for their sealed fate. I can't wait for the date whites find themself a minority and have to step aside for the brown peoples again. And we can go on and build our glorious global empires on the ruins of colonialist capatilast nations.

Though some of you I think are gonna go all holocaust again before letting nature take its due course.

ChuDogg:TimonC346: Silly Jesus: Affirmative action actually harms minorities. They get in over their heads, so to speak, and have a lower rate of graduation from more prestigious schools that they otherwise would not have qualified for.

Source: NPR

I'm sure that's probably true--the problem is the alternative--which is zero representation of anyone but European or Asian descent at any high end American schools. Which then throws in our face AND highlights institutionalized racism all at the same time.

Considering where these kids are starting from, Affirmative Action is sort of like a necessary evil. It is inherently unfair to make up for the societal unfairness of simply being born a different color. I'm not sure if that bodes well for it being constitutional, but I certainly support it.

Asian people cannot be racist because they are not institutionalized. Traditionally racism is something that has been exlusively the domain of the white male power structure. To undo centuries of oppression, slavery and rape affirmitive action is needed to place white males below women and people of color. Centuries of oppression are not reversed in a few years, thus affirmitive action is needed until whites in power represent their true numbers on this black planet (a tiny minority).

Asians only achieve status due to the "model minority" stigma. The whites say jump and they say "how high" look good little worker bees in this hyper capitalist dystopia. I don't feel the need to apologize that blacks and browns have taken an alternate path and decide to take what is owed to us.

Nobody owes you shiat. If your ancestors hadn't been enslaved, you'd be squatting in the mud in some filthy African shiathole with a distended stomach and blowflies crawling on you. It was white people who saved you from Africa, white people who freed you, and white people who send you your welfare checks. Show some gratitude.

Dadoody:Dadoody: Screw affirmative action. Affirmative action should be action at the individual level.

I know MANY Asians who came to this country with nothing, their parents worked in sweat jobs and menial labor, but stressed education and direction. Most of their kids went on to graduate from college, and become doctors, lawyers, professionals.

On the flipside, I know many kids born in this country (regardless of race) with a damn silver spoon in their mouths, always got the best clothing, newest video game systems, latest computer and gadget, and don't even make an attempt to make anything of themselves, yet think the country/world OWES THEM a comfortable life.

One girl I knew from college, named Thanh, had a BAYONET scar in her back as a NV solder had rammed it at her as she was fleeing the country with her family. Her family made it onto a boat and to the ocean, but half of them died from exposure and starvation. The rest of them were somehow saved by US Navy, came here with nothing and have done more with that nothing than many American born have done with ALL the resources they could ever need at their disposal. Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, and even American born Asians.

MycroftHolmes:Affirmative action may be a clumsy tool that can result in some negative consequence, but the need for some corrective mechanism to counteract institutional bias is undeniable, if the goal is an integrated, classless society of equal opportunity.

California tried to be progressive and create an integrated, raceless society. Problem is the people that benefit the most from non-integrated, race-based society voted against it(you know, non-whites. I can't say minorities because white is a minority in California.. guess they should get affirmative action).

Rodrigo Hernandez:While I agree with the idea of promoting education and opportunities for minorities, it would be better for all disadvantaged people, no matter their race, to get some sort of preference instead of basing it on race. Poor people, whether white, black, hispanic, or indians, are disadvantaged more greatly than an upper-middle class minority.

of course, that would be true equity, but then some blacks might escape from the democratic party plantation.