Gallups asks Taitz to “stand down”?

Taitz posted an alleged email message [link to Taitz web site] from Carl Gallups to her in which he relays a message from Mike Zullo, asking Taitz to dismiss all her cases, “stand down” and wait patiently until Zullo releases his “universe-shattering” evidence in March that will “change the eligibility landscape by 10,000%.”

There are several problems with the email. It seems unreasonable that Zullo/Gallups would think Taitz was important enough to bother with. The email contains not a hint of the rationale behind the request. The tone is rather silly with its “1,000%” and “10,000%” “universe-shattering” and “completely emasculating evidence.” Finally the letter is signed “The Rev. Dr. Carl Gallups, M.Div.,” but a search for “Dr. Carl Gallups” on the Internet returns no hint that he has ever used that title.

Taitz responds by saying: “I don’t know if this comment is indeed from Carl Gallops, it looks like it is from him.”

My response is to ask why she doesn’t just call and ask him, rather than posting a crank email on the Internet?

Update:

Taitz has extracted the IP address from the email and has traced it to Kingman, AZ. Obama Conspiracy Theories has located an actual photo of the area:

Update 2:

It’s official. Carl did not write the letter. From Gallup’s Facebook page:

i don’t believe it’s from gallups but i’m not completely convinced it’s from an obot. i would have expected some clever inside jokes and pranks if it was an obot rattling orly’s cage. so, my money is on an daft obot or a deviant birther as the author.

DON’T DO IT ORLY! Zullo and Gallups are trying to claim all the birfer bucks and birfer glory for themselves. Don’t let them! They are hiding evidence from you…evidence of the greatest coverup in the HISTORY OF MANKIND! You need to sue them immediately and get all their evidence, added with yours it will be HEAVEN-SHATTERING and bring the Presidency to its knees. You will go down as a Saint, Orly! SUE ZULLO TODAY!

Jim:
DON’T DO IT ORLY!Zullo and Gallups are trying to claim all the birfer bucks and birfer glory for themselves.Don’t let them!They are hiding evidence from you…evidence of the greatest coverup in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!You need to sue them immediately and get all their evidence, added with yours it will be HEAVEN-SHATTERING and bring the Presidency to its knees.You will go down as a Saint, Orly!SUE ZULLO TODAY!

Learned something, Gallups is a member of the Board of Regents at the University of Mobile in Mobile, Alabama. It’s a Baptist school that was called “Mobile College” when I was growing up, about 20 miles away.

“Now, since we’ve all been vindicated 1,000% on the birth certificate issue, since Lt. Zullo’s forensic investigation has been so comprehensive, it’s really irrelevant compared to the new, shocking & completely emasculating evidence. The birth certificate is truly no longer of any real concern.”

Their birth certificate evidence has been destroyed by the anti-Birthers and the Maricopa county PA and now the birth certificate “is truly no longer of any real concern.” Yes, the new evidence becomes the escape hatch from the failed birth certificate investigation. It sounds like Gallups.

Dr C….
“What nerve? The only possible discomfiture Taitz can be to Gallups and Zullo is to siphon off some of their PayPal clicks, and I don’t think Orly does much of that.”

I think the CCCP concern is that whatever they reveal in March will be shot full of holes by all sides including Taitz and her supporters. The Taitz supporters will less likely be vocal about the Zullo “evidence” if the see their leader cooperating with Zullo starting now.

Nothing Orly is doing has any effect on the CCP stuff. The CCP didn’t even investigate the SSN. That’s pretty much been Orly’s bailiwick. And her cases are semi-dormant. There just doesn’t seem to be any reason for her to stand down or stand up.

I’ve been slumming on some T-Party sites lately. It’s amazing what they’ll fall for, like Orly’s press release about how she’s going to get to the bottom of this with the SSA. It’s fun when they throw legal citations around, as if that would be persuasive or intimidating, and they get busted for not knowing what the law actually says. I mean geez, how hard is it to look? But the funny thing is that the only comment of mine they’ve axed is one referring to Orly as a wackjob who consistently misrepresents the outcome of her cases, as notoriously incompetent and as an utter failure as a lawyer. Go figure.

Dr. Conspiracy: Learned something, Gallups is a member of the Board of Regents at the University of Mobile in Mobile, Alabama. It’s a Baptist school that was called “Mobile College” when I was growing up, about 20 miles away.

Mobile, Alabama is still in the same place it was when you were growing up? They should really change that town’s name…

Give Orly credit she at least tried to get some information out of Gallups:

“I told Gallops that since I have him on the phone, I would like to ask him a couple of questions. I asked, why didn’t he report on my ongoing cases? He said that he invited me before. I responded that the last time I was on his show, was in 2009, 4 years ago. I stated that he reported repeatedly on someone else’s case in AL, which was dismissed and on appeal, but he did not report on numerous other cases that were filed by me. He said that he did not know about them, that nobody gave him info on any of my cases.

I further asked him for the affidavit of expert Reed Hayes, so I can submit it to court. He said that it was copy-righted by Arpaio and Zullo, so it will not get into wrong hands and so that if anyone uses it, they can sue that person. I responded to Carl that he was a police officer and that he knows or should know that a sheriff cannot copyright an expert affidavit relating to a serious crime and sit on it for a year, that this is obstruction of justice. Gallops responded that he knows only what Zullo said on his show.”

You can’t make this stuff up!

Oh, yes, the IP address comes back to Kingman, AZ. Probably a rattlesnake with a computer.

Yoda: That was not written in the true bombastic style of Gallups. I don’t believe it for a second either.

I agree. At least one line betrays the punking excesses of the unknown author: “Mike said he’s confident that you’ll cooperate, as we bring to a close this horrible chapter in our fine, Christian country to a close.”

The phrase, “our fine Christian country”, is a jarringly out-of-context and gratuitously sarcastic flag elbowing itself into a sentence which never really clarifies for readers, just whose words THOSE were, Gallups’ or Zullo’s. You may recall that Gallups actual CCP reportage style is to painstakingly not conflate his words with Zullo’s. A counterfeit author would feel no such obligation, happy to have either or both of these Birther clowns brand themselves as religiously intolerant .

Additionally, Gallups is a practicing successful book author, who would not likely leave clumsily redundant series of words in the final draft of such a comparatively short message, after tinkering with the wording. (Notice, the author wrote, “…as we bring TO A CLOSE this horrible chapter in our fine, Christian country TO A CLOSE.”)

IMHO, as the probable author of the e-mail to Orly in question, Carl Gallups is only a slightly more likely candidate, than John the Baptist.

Instead, with no Birther having yet penetrated the glass ceiling of sanity to date, I’m much more inclined to suspect that the mischievous architect of any Birther factional blow-up, might be none other than Robert Cody Judy; after all, he The Bomb!

Benji Franklin: At least one line betrays the punking excesses of the unknown author: “Mike said he’s confident that you’ll cooperate, as we bring to a close this horrible chapter in our fine, Christian country to a close.”

When I first saw this, I very briefly entertained the possibility that Gallups believed that the current cases in court are working against birfers because some teabagger members of Congress who count on the scumbag bottom-feeder vote have said they can’t do anything birfery in Congress because it is being actively litigated. But, as we know, birfers have failed to convince even the dumbest members of Congress who hate freedom and democracy as much as they do to get on board the birfer failboat.

Obvious hoax, but somewhat well done because it fed a theory that Orly desperately wants to be true–that she poses a threat to people who don’t actively support her. Of course, she doesn’t. She’s just an excitable, gullible moron who dreams of being respected and respectable.

Thinker: Obvious hoax, but somewhat well done because it fed a theory that Orly desperately wants to be true–that she poses a threat to people who don’t actively support her. Of course, she doesn’t. She’s just an excitable, gullible moron who dreams of being respected and respectable.

The drama continues. Orly now says she has received an e-mail from the same IP address from someone claiming to be “General Vallely”.

She implies in that thread that she’s going to sue Sheriff Joe to get him to release the Reed Hayes report. I guess she hasn’t figured out yet that neither Mike Zullo nor the Cold Case Posse have any legal affiliation with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s office and, since the Cold Case Posse is not a government entity, it is not subject to government freedom of information laws. Even if it were, I’m sure they would refuse to release it based on the ridiculous claim that it is part of an ongoing criminal investigation.

None of this matters, of course, because she won’t be able to properly serve anyone. Arpaio and Zullo can sit back and laugh for a few months as they watch her flail around trying to figure out how to get them to respond. She’ll serve them improperly perhaps 4 times, make a couple of motions for a default judgment against them, both of which will be denied, and then the case will eventually be dismissed for lack of prosecution. But it would be a thousand dollars or so in self-sanction for Taitz, so I think she should go for it.

Just a thought drifting through. If the affidavit is supposedly copyrighted, then it has to be on file with the copyright office, and a copy can be gotten, if it isn’t, it isn’t protected. Otherwise, if someone gets hold of it, it’s just too bad vor Zullo the clown.

But it would be bad publicity for the Cold Case Posse, to so visibly refuse to release evidence. The question, though, is who really owns the Reed Hayes report. My guess is that Zullo claims that he does. If that’s true then one has to wonder how he will explain why it’s his rather than the Posse’s (or if he paid for it personally, why he did that). Anything he does to try to hide behind OR distance himself from the Sheriff’s office is touchy because of the IRS reporting exemption he takes.

Thinker: None of this matters, of course, because she won’t be able to properly serve anyone. Arpaio and Zullo can sit back and laugh for a few months as they watch her flail around trying to figure out how to get them to respond. She’ll serve them improperly perhaps 4 times, make a couple of motions for a default judgment against them, both of which will be denied, and then the case will eventually be dismissed for lack of prosecution. But it would be a thousand dollars or so in self-sanction for Taitz, so I think she should go for it.

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Notorial Dissent: If the affidavit is supposedly copyrighted, then it has to be on file with the copyright office, and a copy can be gotten,

Dr. Conspiracy:
But it would be bad publicity for the Cold Case Posse, to so visibly refuse to release evidence. The question, though, is who really owns the Reed Hayes report. My guess is that Zullo claims that he does. If that’s true then one has to wonder how he will explain why it’s his rather than the Posse’s (or if he paid for it personally, why he did that). Anything he does to try to hide behind OR distance himself from the Sheriff’s office is touchy because of the IRS reporting exemption he takes.

Dr. Conspiracy:
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“I did in fact perform work for Mr. Zullo with respect to the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. However, the results are strictly confidential, to be released only by Mr. Zullo and/or the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the legal owners of my report. Please contact Mr. Zullo directly for answers to your questions.”

I hadn’t seen that before, although NBC reported it, and of course it was originally published at The Fogbow. The way I read it, the report belongs to the Posse.

CarlOrcas: It would be interesting to see how the transaction was handled. It sounds like a work for hire. Question then is who did the hiring: Zullo personally? The posse? Or the MCSO?

Kingman, AZ, has a longstanding news publication called the Daily Miner. I found a couple letters to the editor that are critical of the extreme right views on Obama.

For example:

If there is such a thing as “Christian” compassion (which I doubt), I wish the Obama-haters who submit letters and responses to the Letters to the Editor section would realize that Obama has two young daughters who most likely hear the same kind of garbage and name-calling from other children whose parents think the same way. I cannot think of one other president who has endured as much defamation of character as President Obama, calling him a Marxist, Communist, an America-hater out to destroy the country, a thug, foreign-born, not really our president, a liar, a Muslim who sides with and pals around with terrorists, that his ACA consists of death panels, and he’s a Hitler-wannabe, or cartoons of him as a dead ape or a pimp, or pictures of him dressed as a witch doctor.

Dr. Conspiracy:
Taitz now has a name and an address for the email, based on IP, which isn’t generally applicable to finding individuals.

Incredibly irresponsible…..especially since she says she’s not 100% sure. Imagine what happens if some Birther from Kingman (lots of crazies in that part of Arizona) shows up at the house to fix things for her!!!

The address is in a sparsely population area about five miles north of Kingman on a windy desert plateau.

Checking the address on the Frontier Communications website it talks about 5mbps service being available by “Broadband Satellite Core”. Not sure but it sounds like it may be one of those combination wire/satellite services.

Not sure and also not sure how that would impact the ability to determine an IP address under any circumstances.

Oh well, someone else who has to hang. My hunch is that most of what’s posted to her site is submitted by Obots. With a few exceptions, most of her supporters struggled to get through grade 10 and have an average IQ about that number. So any post that uses words with more than one syllable and is grammatically correct probably is the work of an Obot. It’s also noticeable that there are comments only for the anti-Obama stories.

gorefan:
.There just doesn’t seem to be any reason for her to stand down or stand up.

I agree with you. The Mississippi case is not going to turn out well for her, and her lawsuit against the Social Security Administration is dead in the water because, as we now know, “Harry Bounel” never existed.

Zullo will never have to address any of these things. I think he will simply ignore whatever Taitz files and he will get away with it because she’ll never, ever be able to properly serve him or the CCP or the MCSO. He and Gallups (and Arpaio, to the extent that he’s involved in any of this) have largely ignored Taitz. I don’t see any reason to change that now. Or…

Maybe the Arizona defendants could get Klayman back on board to defend them from her lawsuit. Maybe we could get the Klayman/Taitz match-up that will result in their mutual destruction.

Dr. Conspiracy:
But it would be bad publicity for the Cold Case Posse, to so visibly refuse to release evidence. The question, though, is who really owns the Reed Hayes report. My guess is that Zullo claims that he does. If that’s true then one has to wonder how he will explain why it’s his rather than the Posse’s (or if he paid for it personally, why he did that). Anything he does to try to hide behind OR distance himself from the Sheriff’s office is touchy because of the IRS reporting exemption he takes.

Suing Zullo would be pointless. What’s her justification for getting the report. It would make more sense to sue the Sheriff’s office under the Arizona Open Records law. At least she has a statute to use. Now that seems to me to be an interesting case. It would raise questions as to what extent the CCP is part of the Sheriff’s office.

It seems to me that in order to keep the report hidden, they would have to claim either that it is part of an ongoing investigation (which it isn’t) or that the CCP isn’t part of the Sheriff’s office, hurting their IRS filing exemption. From an anti-birther point of view, Orly suing the Sheriff’s office is an excellent outcome, and she might even do some good in the long term.

Thinker: Zullo will never have to address any of these things. I think he will simply ignore whatever Taitz files and he will get away with it because she’ll never, ever be able to properly serve him or the CCP or the MCSO.

Since complete changing something 100 times would result in no longer being in the same universe as the original subject—look, in pursuit of the 10,000%, the universe shattered!—seems the easiest way to accomplish that would be to flip-flop between two complete opposites 100 times.

…. which, being an even number of flips, would result in concluding right where one began!

I think he did that from the very beginning. It’s hard to be a pretend cop with a non-profit corporation that is part of the MCSO when it’s convenient and not part of the MCSO when it’s inconvenient. It’s also going to be interesting to see where the profits of a possible second book by Zullo will go now that county funds have been used for this B movie. What a mess!

I think he did that from the very beginning.It’s hard to be a pretend cop with a non-profit corporation that is part of the MCSO when it’s convenient and not part of the MCSO when it’s inconvenient.It’s also going to be interesting to see where the profits of a possible second book by Zullo will go now that county funds have been used for this B movie. What a mess!

Frankly I’ve never understood what Zullo (and primarily Arpaio) thought they would get out of this.

Arpaio normally pulls one of these rabbits out of his hat and milks it (sorry for the mixed metaphor) and then then moves on.

Dr. Conspiracy: The question, though, is who really owns the Reed Hayes report. My guess is that Zullo claims that he does

You guess correctly: as I’ve mentioned in a couple of my occasional whines/rants about how we really ought to try to get the CCP charged with mail fraud, Zullo tried to reassure Fellatio Friday listeners that uncooperative prosecutors/judges/Congresscritters wouldn’t be able to Suppress The Truth™, because “all of the work product” of the Posse is his “personal property”. And he promised he would write a book, or something, to make sure it all got publicized if they failed in their Noble Quest to get Someone Official to Do Something (other than laugh at them, of course).

It was a memorable statement, because I believe it’s proof that Zullo is intentionally defrauding people by claiming to be running “an official law enforcement investigation”, while treating his “evidence” in a way that even Orly knows is illegal for a real LEO.

CarlOrcas: Imagine what happens if some Birther from Kingman (lots of crazies in that part of Arizona) shows up at the house to fix things for her!!!

“Martyrdom” is a good possibility. I looked into settling in that area when I left Silicon Valley (close enough to Vegas to go into town for sales calls/status meetings, but far enough that the land was still dirt cheap). It’s one of those places where you call 911 for cleanup, not help, because it can routinely take hours for the cops to arrive. It was my first encounter with civilian open carry, and it’s considered perfectly normal outside the city. Not the sort of place where you storm up to a stranger’s house to give them a piece of your mind.

Given the population density, that IP almost certainly belongs to a WISP, and the physical address could well just be one of their tower sites. Or even their regional customer service office. It’d be extremely foolish to depend on it leading you to the location of the actual customer.

RanTalbott: Given the population density, that IP almost certainly belongs to a WISP, and the physical address could well just be one of their tower sites. Or even their regional customer service office. It’d be extremely foolish to depend on it leading you to the location of the actual customer.

The physical address she posted came back to a residence north of town.

Geolocators come back with hits in Kingman and Laughlin, south of Kingman for the IP.

Hard to tell how they are getting in and out of there but there is probably a decent infrastructure given the railroad and military.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain how they can track an IP address right into someone’s home. Mine, as I’ve mentioned, comes back to a facility 90 miles away.

Doc, your picture makes it look like Kingman is more developed than it really is. On the Arizona Strip (the land north of Lake Mead) there are a significant number of old order Mormons, folks unhappy with the concessions Utah had to make to become a state.

As someone who frequently is retained as an expert, my reports belong to my client until the client designates me to testify. If the case settles, and I never get designated, the report never sees the light of day. If the client does not like the report, it never sees the light of day and I get fired. But paid.

I can tell you that given my expertise in how aircraft (especially military aircraft) communicate with the ground and vice versa), no one would use the net-available geo-locator services to make a targeting decision.

The only possibility that concerns me is that there could be some birther in law enforcement that gets them for her. She said that this particular source had been correct in the past. Of course, Taitz could be wrong about that.

CarlOrcas: I’m still waiting for someone to explain how they can track an IP address right into someone’s home. Mine, as I’ve mentioned, comes back to a facility 90 miles away.

Dr. Conspiracy:
The only possibility that concerns me is that there could be some birther in law enforcement that gets them for her. She said that this particular source had correct in the past. Of course, Taitz could be wrong about that.

I’ll put my money on Taitz being wrong.

Getting that kind of information requires (hopefully) enough accountability that the officer could be checked……like getting driver’s license information.

Of course she could just call the NSA and they’d probably give it to her over the phone!

If it’s “bigger than anything before” and “no longer about the BC”, I think this leaves only some claim about “the conspiracy” itself – probably something akin to the “Subud” angle that birthers have dreamt up that somehow connects all the dots.
But since we’re dealing with birthers, the real thing is likely going to be one of the following:

1) Some unauthenticated source (like “a KGB report provided to us by our Russian mole”) that somehow purports to provide proof of the decade-spanning conspiracy (“documents found in McCarthy’s attic mention Russian sleeper agents, including one B. Obama”).

2) Non-existing stuff that will never be shown but just delayed and delayed and delayed, then discarded in favour of “even bigger stuff we’ll release in 2015″.

3) Something entirely disappointing (for birthers) and unconvincing which will nevertheless make it into birther lore as “incontrovertible evidence meaning you really can’t vote for the black guy’s party this year”.

We are trying to identify a person, who used the same IP address and made comments impersonating Carl Gallops, General Vallely and making statements . . .

Did she try to identify the person who “impersonated” Lawrence Welk show cast members in her comments? Or the person who “impersonated” the characters from Gilligan’s Island or Bewitched? Or the person who “impersonated” Michelle Obama’s mother?

What did she do when the IP address of someone who was harassing her was “revealed” to belong to one “Ethel Mertz?”

Are “Rod Riddle” or “Bo Pe” the real names of the people posting comments on her blog?

What about the comments from porn spam like “Click Me!” that she continually posts?

I see that billboard every time I drive to Las Vegas (which is fairly often; my mom lives there.)

I file it away in the same place where I put the giant billboard announcing our arrival to “Nowhere AZ” and a derelict nightclub with a big scary clown sign.

You really don’t get another good laugh until you go North of Vegas. If you ever make the stretch between Vegas and Winnemucca, you’ll be treated to stuff like Alien-themed Cat Houses and last chance after last chance for gas, but still find nothing funnier than this billboard.

I just assumed, though, that somebody else posts for Gallups on Facebook.

Doctor Conspiracy also blogs at Blog or Die! on diverse subjects including technology, religion and current events. He is a member of the Lutheran Church (ELCA) and sings in the choir. He occasionally refers to himself in the third person.

FEMA camps for stupid people, when needed in a pinch. Y’know, in case of sudden, epidemiological outbreaks of The Stupid. Particularly in locales in which The Stupid manages to infect / threatens to compromise local authorities.

gorefan: What happens if you write a report and then new evidence is presented to you so that you can no longer stand by the original report?

I wonder if Reed Hayes still stands by his report?

If I was presented new or undisclosed evidence, I would start from scratch.

One thing you try to do in my business is to get everything you can. Sometimes that’s quite a bit. Sometimes the constraints of time or money mean I don’t get to see everything I would like. Then I say so.

I can rely on stuff which is not ordinarily admissible, like hearsay, if that is something I would ordinarily rely upon.

If someone asked me where the President was born, I would look to the appropriate authorities in Hawaii. Just like when I have to determine whether I have the right plans or diagram, I look to who is supposed to generate them.

I’d like to say this isn’t rocket science, but as an electrical engineer working with how things that fly communicate or hide from other things, it sometimes is rocket science. And my job is to translate the jargon into stuff that decision makers can understand.

To me, it is distressing that so much time and treasure has been wasted in the Birther debate. There are folks who go to bed hungry in this country. You want to figure out where the President was born? Ask Hawaii. Rely on the answer. I flew lots of combat missions, including some in which somebody was shooting at me, on significantly less reliable information.

John Reilly: To me, it is distressing that so much time and treasure has been wasted in the Birther debate. There are folks who go to bed hungry in this country. You want to figure out where the President was born? Ask Hawaii. Rely on the answer.

John,

Your reasonable and wise suggestions are of little use to the Birthers because most of their questions and comments about eligibility are not sincere ones. In other words, they don’t really mean to ask relevant questions, receive accurate answers, or disseminate accurate information about eligibility; they just dislike Obama and want him out of office and hurt in any number of ways.

Taitz has made herself a national laughing stock among lawyers and yet is offended when she THINKS she may have been asked to “stand down” from her ridiculous legal efforts by another Obama hater! But she routinely insists that the twice-elected, first African American President must, for any number of crazy and Constitutionally irrelevant “reasons”, immediately stand down, turn around, and pick a bale o’cotton!

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