Dude Al Jeff is a 20/10 player who's still young, parlaying this pick and Tay into Al Jeff is about as optimal an outcome as one could hope for. I'd love to get Cousins in a Pistons uniform but getting Al Jeff who IS a 20/10 player is just as good as getting a guy 1" taller who we hope BECOMES a 20/10 guy.

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Just when you start going off on other tangents, you come up with this bit of perception.

IF Joe Dumars wants some defense, Al Jefferson is not the answer man..

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Big Al in Detroit, but he IS NOT TALL, and he IS NOT A GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYER.

And Joe D wants defense

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Oh stop! JD is talking about Gatorade that contains no high-fructose corn syrup. Grit now has a combination of organizational vitamins that keep the body whole on a human scale. It is the scooping up of mother-earth. JD's pedigree is on the scale of dirty fingernails...but... make no mistake, the grip is strong. When all is reeling around you, take hold of that grip.

The only downside to this is that after this season there won't be much money to sign Stuckey and Jerebko, especially if we don't know what the owner situation is.

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As of right now we are $4.7 Million under the $56.1M cap. This trade will net us an additional $1M, we're actually saving money on the deal. By the time Stuckey is up for renewal, Max will be coming off the books, when we have to renew JJ - CV will be coming off the books.

Yeah, I know, one in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that... He's a very good player, but I admit the injury history does scare me somewhat. He's missed the equivalent of a season's worth of games (82) in his first 6 seasons with a couple of serious knee and ankle injuries. The guy can play, but he's also got those numbers on a bad team.

His contract is quite reasonable (3 years @ 42m) and I'd much prefer him over Boozer. I just don't know if the guy is built for long playoff runs.

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And of course we know the guy we were going to pick with the 7th pick is built for the long run, and of course we know Tayshaun is too, right?

IF Joe Dumars wants some defense, Al Jefferson is not the answer man..

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Big Al in Detroit, but he IS NOT TALL, and he IS NOT A GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYER.

And Joe D wants defense

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Guys learn to play defense when the games mean something, in the PLAYOFFS! Put Al in the playoffs this year and he'll figure it out. This guy is only 25 years old, old enough to know the game but his best 7 years of basketball are ahead of him, and he's still playing for his next contract. Coming off a serious knee injury he still averaged 17 & 9, he'll be much healthier this year and those numbers will be even better.

I cannot think of any reason not to want Jefferson on our team. We're talking about a guy that Minnesota felt was good enough to let go of KG. Without Jefferson, Boston wouldn't have been able to buy KG.

Any one of those trades mentioned are no brainers for Joe. I think he's just waiting to see if something else could show up on draft night. Keep in mind, this trade can still happen even after draft night.

Yes and No Walt, because who are we drafting for with the 7th pick and who are they drafting for with their 2 picks? The deal as most recently reported needs to happen on draft night because of the picks involved. Lastly alot of teams are holding cap space in search of a top free agent, those disappointed teams are going to be making a run at Big Al when the smoke clears and another team may be offering a better deal.

Now I'd be Packaging Rip, Max and those 2 picks for............................CAPP SPAYCE!!!!! We'd have $23.35 Million dollars worth of it!!!

Kahn said that he didn't talk with the Pistons about Jefferson for Prince.

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Of course he hasn't. Has anyone talked to anybody? Let's be real there's less than 24hrs before the draft, every GM has talked to every other GM in the league by now. He may not have put the offer we speak of on the table, but AL Jeff IS availabale, Tay IS available,....Oh they've talked. At this point denial is confirmation.

Dude Al Jeff is a 20/10 player who's still young, parlaying this pick and Tay into Al Jeff is about as optimal an outcome as one could hope for. I'd love to get Cousins in a Pistons uniform but getting Al Jeff who IS a 20/10 player is just as good as getting a guy 1" taller who we hope BECOMES a 20/10 guy.

This is probably the best trade offer we are going to get for Tay. Joe is good at drafting in the 15-30 area as he has shown in the past. Not really too sure on who we could get from there, but Hayward doesn't seem like a bad player. I'd be a little more comfortable if we traded Tay, Wilcox, and the 7th pick for Al and the 4th. I know Al jefferson is a 20 10 guy, bu the has had injuries while Tay has been really consistent and injury free for MOST of his career. Even last year coming of the injury he played some great basketball. Hopefully Joe D is smart enough to accept this offer.

As much as I would like cousins, thats not going to happen with the 7th pick.