*****Post# 26001-1/23/2003-06:00 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Maytag Combo)
MESSAGE: I saw a Maytag Combo Back in the mid 70's I a thrift shop in Colorado Springs, CO and believe it or not, it had a window in the door.

Steve1-18

*****Post# 26002-1/23/2003-06:53 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Maytag Combo)
MESSAGE: Steve, I remember you talking about that one.
That was so rare that you saw that one! Man, if you would have only been collecting back then! I wonder if someone bought it, or if it was trashed?
Or, I wonder if the thrift store still has it. :)
Brent

*****Post# 26003-1/23/2003-07:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast trip Yeilds a Frigidaire SkinnyMini (Taking the washer to church)
MESSAGE: "... and after service we will have a wash-in in the fellowship hall. There's coffee and donuts"

I have seen a slightly similar machine to this one here in Australia. It would have been a private import as it was labelled in German and had a European-style power plug. It was a Constructa washer-dryer. I don't think Constructa have ever been sold here.
At the time I used to work night shift, and if a hard-garbage collection was happening somewhere between work and home I would often cruise past the junk at between 1am and 3am looking for interesting machines. I tried to lift the Constructa into the back of my car, a station wagon, but it was exceptionally heavy and appeared too big anyway, and I didn't want to make a noise. I removed a few spare parts from it including the motor, which was a very unusual design, manufactured by Siemens. The motor had an integral 10-to-1 reduction gearbox and a centrifugal clutch. The motor was 2-speed. When the motor turned at low speed (1400rpm) the reduction gear was engaged, so that the pulley turned at 140 rpm. the drum pulley was almost three times the size, giving a drum speed of 50rpm, which is WASH cycle. When the fast speed of the motor is energized (2800rpm) the centrifugal clutch engages so that the gearbox is bypassed and output pulley speed is the same as motor speed, 2800 rpm. The belt/pulley sizes mean it spins at about 1000 rpm. This 20:1 ratio was very unusual for a machine with no electronic motor speed control, and must have given an impressive spin. (1000 rpm with a very large diameter drum, in a machine of 1970's (?) vintage.) I have seen early Asko-Asea washers with exactly the same Siemens motor/gearbox.

Filekar1 or Louis, what can you tell us about the history of Constructa washers? they look very heavy-duty, were they domestic or commercial use machines??
Thanks
Chris.

*****Post# 26005-1/23/2003-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast trip Yeilds a Frigidaire SkinnyMini (Taking the washer to church)
MESSAGE: "Cast your sins upon the waters of the Maytag, Kenmore and Frigidaire and be clean!"

Sounds like a lot of fun Steve, best of luck!

*****Post# 26006-1/23/2003-07:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: Brent I think it is very early by the dials. John has one and it has a transmission,it is not a 3 belt machine like all the later models I have.
I am betting this is a tranny machine as well. I was in contact with the current owner Denise to see if she could get that machine too a Craters and Freighters near her but she has no way to do that and CnF charges a fortune to go pick things up! So its out of my price range. Good thing Jimmy happens to be out there, it would be a real shame for that to go to the "KRUSHR"
Jet

*****Post# 26007-1/23/2003-08:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon,

What about the GE combo in your kitchen? Is that a later model too?

Louis

*****Post# 26008-1/23/2003-08:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer
MESSAGE: Actually I don't know much about Constructa. I only know they used to produce very good domestic machines. The one on eBay is already a Siemens product (1971) according to the Constructa collector I contacted, so it's not a collectible for him. That also means I think that it's not a "Kochautomat", but I will have to ask him about that.

Louis

*****Post# 26009-1/23/2003-12:21 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: Hes got a 40 year old dishwasher too, hes close to me so I'm askin him how much his reserve is for the items. If its reasonable I'll take them both and book em up for applianceville to enjoy =)

*****Post# 26010-1/23/2003-12:35 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: NORGE front loader info.
MESSAGE: Hello All,
I Was surfing on ebay and noticed this ad for a Norge front loader. Was this a licensed design from another manufacturer or a Norge original design?
-Alex
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302342822&category=20714

*****Post# 26011-1/23/2003-12:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE front loader info.
MESSAGE: Norge original -- their first automatic washer. It didn't last long and was quickly replaced with the beloved top loading, agitator Timeline. There is a poor review of it in the Consumer Reports articles on our webpage.

-ph

*****Post# 26012-1/23/2003-16:41 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: In response to Notafixer from SanDiego, FYI Im on vacation in S Cal so I already bid on both the GE combo and dishwasher.....just so you know a club member is trying to save these already.........FilterFlo

*****Post# 26013-1/23/2003-16:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: Go for it Notafixer they are in your area after all! I can't wait to see them! They look in excellent shape!

jetcone

*****Post# 26014-1/23/2003-18:57 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Top Load Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Years ago an Aunt gave me a top loader. 2.5x3.5' apx. ,glass top & a spiral deflector to assure full wash coverage. VERY OLD. I wish I still had it. (gave it away Too young to know better) I do not remember the make. I live in Canada if that makes any difference. Any info on anything that sounds famular would be great. PS Stainless Steel inside & the upper rack was small & slid back & forth to accomidate access to the lower rack. Michael mikepaquette@hotmail.com

*****Post# 26015-1/23/2003-19:51 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: ok jimmy, as long as there not going to the dump im happy =a)

Or, baptize you laundry in the Frigidaire while you're being baptized too LOL

*****Post# 26018-1/23/2003-20:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old GE Combo for Sale (Is this one of the first GE Combo's?)
MESSAGE: The appliance gods have smiled on us with Jimmy being out there!!!

*****Post# 26020-1/23/2003-21:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi, welcome! Did your dishwasher look anything like the one in this Ebay ad? They may have been called something other than "James" in Canada. Our club founder owns one of these machines. I'm sure he has pictures posted but I just don't know where. Scott
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3201900977&category=13596

Here are two new albums of the restoration of the GE Combo and one of the first loads thru it.
The titles are "GE combo restoration" and "GE Combo"
The object is to enjoy and illuminate.

Jetcone

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

*****Post# 26022-1/23/2003-22:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (JON YOU ARE THE MAN!)
MESSAGE: Jon,
Thanks so much for the pictures. I remember thinking when I saw that machine a Jeff's during the convention how cool it was and how good of shape it was in. Little did I know that it needed so much work!
You did such a great job! I am so proud that that machine will be running for so much longer with your hard work!
Now, where did you get the new an improved parts? Did GE still have these parts? Or did you have someone manufacture them?
Also wondering what was the total running time from start to finish of washing and drying for such a load. That looked like a big load. And I love that water action!
You are very lucky and talented Jon! Good for you!
What is needing to be done with your other GE combo?
Also, Did GE make this version in a gas combo? Or was the Condenser the only version for drying. I am sure that you know.
Thanks for answering all of my questions.
So So Cool!
Thanks again!
Brent

*****Post# 26023-1/23/2003-22:49 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Electric Range Repair Help
MESSAGE: Why not try www.antiqueapplinaces.com. They might be able to help you. They have a pic of a 1962 Frigidaire Flair on their website that they restored on commission for a client. Here's a link to the pic:

*****Post# 26024-1/24/2003-02:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Great job!!!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jon on the restauration of this baby! Do you have two combo's hooked up now? You can take in lots of laundry now! And warm towels and warm jeans in the morning, isn't that wonderful? Next time I visit you I'll bring an extra cabin trunk full of laundry!

Louis

*****Post# 26025-1/24/2003-05:37 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwasher (top load dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply. From what I can see in the ad, it just might be it. Thanks for the good beggining. Who is the founder I would not mind having a peek at that collection. Thanks again Michael

*****Post# 26026-1/24/2003-06:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Thanks Jon)
MESSAGE: Just finished looking at the pictures Jon. They were great! Thanks for sharing with us. It looks like you had a lot to fix on this one. The GE combo is one beautiful machine that I hope to see in action for myself one day. What is the drying time like for an average load?

*****Post# 26027-1/24/2003-06:47 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Great GE Combo Job Jon!!)
MESSAGE: You did a wonderful job of getting that machine up and running again. The pictures were great too. I have the same questions as Brent has, were the parts available from ge or what. But you did a great job!!!

*****Post# 26028-1/24/2003-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!!
MESSAGE: Jon - great pics of the GE combo, the new parts are so pretty! Is this still a six vane tub as in the older models?

Illumination and enjoyment appreciated!!

*****Post# 26029-1/24/2003-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwasher (top load dishwasher - archives)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike- you can do a search in the archives of the club postings for the James dishwasher pictures and check out the memeber links for more pictures of other appliance collections.

*****Post# 26031-1/24/2003-08:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Had to make the parts)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, Cyclafabric & Terry & Louis:
The parts are no longer available even as NOS. So I had to improvise. I found that the Frigdaire 1-18 tub seal just about fit the GE bronze face seal currently on the Combo. I knew the part that held it the "Seal Hub" had to be made up from scratch since as you can see mine was disintegrated. It had to fit the back plate of the combo yet hold the slightly larger Frigidaire seal agianst the bronze face and NOT allow the clothes basket to hit the front wall of the outer tub. With some careful measuring I took the dimensions to my friend Jacob who is a machinest by trade. He cut the new Seal Hub out of solid aluminum. Then we had it anodized black to prevent corrosion. Once I knew it fit it was just a matter of cleaning out the years of scum and lint in the tub, lubing up everything and reassembly. I also added my own little improvement. I put in vibration isolators between the motor and the base plate. That machine generates alot of sound due to the shape of the baseplate and cavity under the drum.
Now this machine is very quite compared to the other white machine I got from Jeff this summer.
Also it runs through its cycle faster. The wash is 8-10 minutes and the whole cycle in the White Combo usually runs 2 -2 1/2 hours BUT in the restored combo it runs 1 1/2 to 2 hours.
I believe both heating elements are working in both combos but I think gettting the chunks of compacted lint out of the Avocado combo has really shortend the drying time for it.
Anybody have any thoughts on why the times might be so different?
Glad you liked the pic, if anybody has to restore another one like this I have the dimensions on file and you can take them to your local machine shop and get a hub made,I also stocked up on Frigidaire seals if anybody needs them.
Have a great weekend all!
jet

*****Post# 26032-1/24/2003-08:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (TO No Spivulators HERE!!! )
MESSAGE: Hi Pete:
Thank you, you will have to hitch a ride up with John next time try them out in person!
How is your Combo running these days?
jet

*****Post# 26033-1/24/2003-09:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (More information on Constructa)
MESSAGE: I got some more information about the Constructa brand from the German collector. Constructa was taken over by Siemens in 1967 but continued to manufacture the real boil wash machines (Kochautomat) until the mid 70's. So the machine on eBay is a machine that really boils the laundry if you choose that cycle. He also told me that Bauknecht (the manufacturer of the Hettie and the Duet) also made boiling machines in the past. That was new to me.

Glad to see another machine revived for another wash outing, what size load to it wash???

Is the dryer a condensor or vented??

From speaking to a lot of service engineers, the combo machines became more of a pain when the water levels where reduced for energy efficiency, with less water to splash about in the top of the drum the lint used to stick especially in the dimples and not too smooth areas around enamel etc....the later designed machines of UK and European models had SS drums and SS/metal outer drums with fancy rinse injectors to spray the surface of the drum and wash away the lint before it dried.

If the lint was allowed to build up it just acted like a sponge soaking up more moisture and taking longer to dry etc.Over a few years you then get much longer dry times..

Looks an interesting machine especially with the drop down door etc...was this a similar machine to the Merker with the guy on top???

Mike

*****Post# 26036-1/24/2003-12:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (More information on Constructa)
MESSAGE: No Mike, the Merker is a whole different machine (the link goes to the Merker picture). It is an all push button machine though. I don't know when Merker was purchased by Siemens, or perhaps it was even founded by Siemens. Actually I don't know much about Merker since it's a brand that is exclusively made for the Swiss market.

You have cofirmed what I thought that the lint build up makes the drying longer.
The GE is rated at 6 pounds (~3Kg) in the literature but I load the thing up to atleast 12 pounds.
It has a real good wash action as there are 6 blades on the drum not 3 so it looks like Niagara Falls inside when on wash.
I will try to grab a video of that this weekend.
Would love to come visit you , they are offering $350 RT right now to London!!!!!!!!
Cheers
jon

*****Post# 26040-1/24/2003-18:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat??)
MESSAGE: Louis please translate for me I have not been studying my German of late

jet

*****Post# 26041-1/24/2003-18:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE front loader info. (The first 18#)
MESSAGE: I believe it was the first 18 pounder on the domestic market.
Anybody concur with that?

*****Post# 26042-1/24/2003-18:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (6 big vanes)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg:
Yes it has 6 big vanes so when in wash it looks like Niagara Falls!!! And the tub is MINT! There isn't a scratch in it!
It really cleans well, yet I say that about all my machines!!!
I will try and capture a video this weekend for the club.
jet

The lint buildup causes slightly longer drying times in a Filtrator too. Are the voltage ratings the same on both models? They also came in a 208v model which was sometimes preferred in apartment construction, etc. Just a thought...

Beautiful machine and fantastic job Jon!

*****Post# 26048-1/24/2003-20:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Mini Wash-In Anyone?
MESSAGE: I am going to be in Columbia, Missouri on Monday March, 31 in the late evening and I am leaving early on the morning of Friday April, 4. Does anybody have free time down there? I would absolutely love to have the experience on the Vintage Washer World! My mom said that it was okay to do so if anyone had freetime, it was close by, and if they were okay with it. Thanks a bunch!

Best Washes!
-Jamie-

*****Post# 26049-1/24/2003-23:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini Wash-In Anyone?
MESSAGE: Omaha, NE is probably too far away from Columbia, MO for a stop here, but you're getting closer! I did lots of vintage appliance hunting in that area a couple of years ago. Came across a few junkyards, but none with appliances.

*****Post# 26050-1/25/2003-00:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!!
MESSAGE: Jon, can't add anything here on top of all the other accolades. Just wanted to say thank you for such loving terrific care of restoring another combo and this beautiful machine. I hope to see/hear it run some day. Bob P. S., although I couldn't read all the print, it looks like poor Al got blamed for the wash load. Poor guy, and he probably wasn't down there in the basement to see the cleaning of his "handiwork".

Until 1967 Constructa was an independent manufacturer. Then they were taken over by Siemens. A "Kochautomat" is a Boiling Automatic. So the one on eBay was manufactured while Constructa was already taken over (1971) but still was a machine that did a real boil wash. According to the collector Constructa made boiling machines because detergents weren't as good as nowadays when Constructa launched the concept.

Louis

*****Post# 26054-1/25/2003-03:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (More information on Constructa)
MESSAGE: No wonder some people bring up that machine over and over again ;-)

*****Post# 26055-1/25/2003-08:18 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair
MESSAGE: As always I was running thru the ebay world and saw this I wish I had the money but hey one day my machine will show but I know how these would really make a collector happy. you don't find these often enough
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2503429351&category=12

*****Post# 26056-1/25/2003-09:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis - So this washer was truly a 212 degree boil wash and not 180-190 degrees as some are today? That would definitely give white whites!

On the gentle cycle could you cook pasta? Just kidding...

- Greg

*****Post# 26057-1/25/2003-09:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (More information on Constructa)
MESSAGE: I have that picture in my photo screensaver program - see all the time!

*****Post# 26059-1/25/2003-09:47 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (boiling wash with Constructa )
MESSAGE: This was the first automatic machine made by constructa, bolted down with cicle control on the left and temperature control on the right.
The photo is very small and anyone can't see that on the left side of this machine there were ON-OFF switch and I think a no spin switch.
these machines were very interesting because before the prewash cicle they had a cicle, known in italian "bagnatura".
this cicle was used to soak the laundry tor dissolve better the detergent in the next prewash cicle. My gandmother had a bolted down Constructa since 1962 she used this machine until 1995/'96 I don't remember very well It's looks like this machine in your photo, Foraloysius. My mother have a Constructa too, it's Constructa CV 530, but we bought in 1982, it's a Siemens machine and it work very well now!!!
Greetings from Italy
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.dnm=First+Constructa+washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=l&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=l

*****Post# 26060-1/25/2003-09:49 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair
MESSAGE: OMK! A matched set of Westy's! They look like someone took very good care of them. It's almost too good to be true. This is one of the few times that I wished that I lived in a house instead of an apartment. :-( I would bid of them if I could. I hope someone in the club is able to give them the good home that they deserve.

*****Post# 26061-1/25/2003-10:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair
MESSAGE: Amazing!! They look to be in good shape too. There were a couple of ads in the classifieds looking for slant front Westys...

*****Post# 26066-1/25/2003-14:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair
MESSAGE: Well, I have family there in the area that I really need to go visit, so I can use the excuse of picking up these guys when I go! I have bid on them...

-ph

*****Post# 26067-1/25/2003-14:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (More information on Constructa)
MESSAGE: And when you look at that pic on a really, really good monitor, you can see things that you never noticed before!

Yes, these washers did a true 212 boil wash. I remember seeing the Constructa from our neighbours bubbling their whites. That machine had a timer and pushbuttons, for several cycles including temperature. I mean that the temperature was integrated in the cyclebuttons. There was no delicate boil wash available, just a regular cycle.

Boiling pasta in a Constructa is not a good idea I think, a Kochautomat sounds more like Bubble and Squeak to me.

Louis

*****Post# 26070-1/25/2003-19:02 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: GE Combo and Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yeah Won the ebay auctions. I LOVE the combo. Wish me well picking them up, getting them home and fixing them! PS> thats the same dishwasher I am currently building into my new kitchen~

*****Post# 26071-1/25/2003-19:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Spivulator?)
MESSAGE: A play on words Jamie,just a play on words.
I will try to catch video of the GE combo tomorrow with my limited video camera.If sucessful you'l see the 6 big vanes in action!
jet

*****Post# 26072-1/25/2003-19:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Piece By Piece washing)
MESSAGE: Wow! Greg thanks for the original lingo! I love commercial lingo on these machines.
My machine is rated at 208 to 250?? I see this all the time and wonder. When normal house v is 220 or 110.
Thank you Greg. You must come out soon to play!
jon

*****Post# 26073-1/25/2003-19:31 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat)
MESSAGE: Thank you Louis! I sent the link to my friend Ingrid who grew up in Germany. She said it was a solid machine but very small capacity.
And that the blurb said it was owned by a little old woman--who probably just did her undies in it, hence low use!
cheers jon

*****Post# 26075-1/25/2003-19:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair (Greg is bidding)
MESSAGE: Gregm is going to bid them and get them. Can't wait to see them in person! I wonder if that Westy has the 6 vane tub????
jet

*****Post# 26076-1/25/2003-22:32 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Did you guys notice that someone is selling a Frigidaire 1-18 set? Its in Maryland and the pictures look mighty good!!! It's a 1978, I believe. If I hadn't just got my set, I'd jump on it. Any takers????

*****Post# 26077-1/25/2003-22:34 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: I guess I forgot to mention that it's on Ebay. Sorry, they say the mind is the first thing to go ... what were we talking about?

*****Post# 26084-1/26/2003-00:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: This looks like the same models that Steve 1-18 picked up in Virginia (the poppy set) during last August's convention. The dryer particularly with no auto dry cycle, all timed-dry. Washer looks the same too.

*****Post# 26085-1/26/2003-01:38 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Voltage)
MESSAGE: 208 is used in comercial buildings. If you have a 208v element and run it on 220 the output will be greater.

*****Post# 26086-1/26/2003-02:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat)
MESSAGE: LOL! Who would have thought we would be discussing the undies of an old German widow on this site! The machine served her probably well over thirty years.

As a matter of fact this is just a standard European capacity machine, 4.5kg or so (10lbs) which was quite normal for that time. I guess your friend Ingrid must have gotten used to the US size machines. What kind of washer does she have?

Louis

*****Post# 26087-1/26/2003-02:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Some one needs this great set ... LOOK Westinghouse laundry pair (Greg is bidding)
MESSAGE: I'm sure you will give us a full report on this including big screen Technicolor pictures....

*****Post# 26089-1/26/2003-04:00 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: I can't believe this. First a Westy slant front pair and now a Frigidare 1-18! Hopefully someone in the club will be able to give them the good home that they deserve. Those are among my favorite machines. I usually don't mind living in an apartment, but if this keeps up I may have to start looking for a house.

*****Post# 26090-1/26/2003-04:09 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat)
MESSAGE: Hallo Foraloysius, do you have some old Constructa washer Owners manual or catalogue? I'm very interesting to this kind of washer. Can you help me, please? Or your friend collector of old Constructa can help me, please? Thanks!!!!

*****Post# 26093-1/26/2003-08:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Well, I have a slight problem also. I have been out of work for a while, so my collecting is at a standstill. First, I can't really afford to bid, though I would love to, especially on the 1-18 set. A few machines in poppy red have gotten by me for that reason. Also, in order to properly house a collection, I need to reconfigure some area of my house. Until another position comes along, it all is on hold!! Drat the luck!

*****Post# 26094-1/26/2003-11:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Bauknecht washing machines brochure 1964/65 including "Kochautomat"
MESSAGE: Name it coincidence, but today a Belgian guy read my ad on a dutch site about collecting washer brochures. He scanned this Bauknecht brochure and sent the scans to me. Much to my surprise the machines that did a real boil wash (212F) are in this brochure. I have never seen these washers for real, I guess Bauknecht wasn't very popular in the area where I lived.

The commercial machines look much like the Constructa machines from that time, there might have been a connection, but that's just a guess. The residential machines have the controls on the rear like my mother's Bosch from 1966 had. Some of the Bauknecht residential models were bolt down machines, I didn't know that in the 60's bolt down machines were still made.

*****Post# 26096-1/26/2003-19:20 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Nice machine)
MESSAGE: Only if the bidding price started at $50.00.
Otherwise it is in mint condition just like my Easy wringer washer that I've just picked up over the weekend!!!

Now I like to know if that Kenmore prego agitator(Roto-Swirl) would fit inside my Easy?

*****Post# 26099-1/26/2003-21:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No Spivulators HERE!!! (Voltage)
MESSAGE: Thanks HQots! It has been a long time mystery for me! I guess 208 lends itself to 3 phase better?
jet

*****Post# 26100-1/26/2003-21:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat)
MESSAGE: I "convinced" Her to by a Neptune. She loves it. I gave her some of the Persil that Paolo gave me and the smell took her right back to Germany. I bet each of us has some smell in detergent like that although I can't quite place what mine is off the top of my head.
jet

*****Post# 26101-1/26/2003-21:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Angus here's to you finding work soon it must be very frustrating!!
jet

*****Post# 26102-1/26/2003-21:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht washing machines brochure 1964/65 including "Kochautomat" (model line up)
MESSAGE: OOOHH I love the model line up! Louis are those brochures in Dutch? Am I begining to see the differnce between Dutch and German?? Or am I hallucinating??
jet

*****Post# 26103-1/26/2003-21:36 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Cool Pic! with the OO!!)
MESSAGE: Cool pic, one doesn't often get to see the Original Owner OO with their machine!!!
jetcone

*****Post# 26104-1/26/2003-23:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Someone must have this!! I'll bet if you picked it up from her house, she'd show you that cool 50's basement and cook you dinner too! This would be a neat addition to someone's collection for sure, the pink is to die for!

*****Post# 26105-1/26/2003-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Nice machine)
MESSAGE: You won't need the Kenmore agitator, you have a Spiralator in yours - just as much fun. What a beauty that machine is as well, congrats on your new Easy! I have a lot of fun with my wringer washer, but remember to play safe around that wringer!

*****Post# 26106-1/26/2003-23:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht washing machines brochure 1964/65 including "Kochautomat"
MESSAGE: Those are very cool looking machines - and bolt down too, how strange. Were these about the same size as the other European machines of their era? Wish I could read the brochure!!

Thanks Louis - Greg

*****Post# 26107-1/26/2003-23:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Weekend Finds with Flair
MESSAGE: A very busy weekend, working 7 days/week again, but I did manage to have some neat finds this weekend. At our one and only sale, I found a couple of neat vacuum coffee pots, one of which is going to Tomturbo in D.C. (see pics) I saw them yesterday and went back today for them. The Sunbeam is a model "C" from 1933! I got a peek at the Flair range a friend has saved for me. It appears to be a 1960 40" model, but the control panel glass is broken, great for parts though. Tomorrow night I am going to look at a couple of washers and a dryer in a friend's rental house, upon description, it sounds like a Norge set (more harvest gold!) and another white washer "that is even older." We'll see...

*****Post# 26108-1/27/2003-02:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht washing machines brochure 1964/65 including "Kochautomat" (Dutch and German)
MESSAGE: Spot-on! You deserve the full ten points! This brochure is in Dutch, meant for the Belgian market. I love the line up too!

Louis

*****Post# 26109-1/27/2003-02:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Cool Pic! with the OO!!)
MESSAGE: She must have a thing for washers too, having a back up machine and now getting taken her picture with it now.

They were indeed the same size as other European machines from that time. This however was before the European standard size, the width of those machines was 5 centimetres (2 inches) more than modern European machines.

BTW, not all the models are bolt down machines and not all of them do a real boil wash. The models are:

On the model/serial plate on your Easy wringer, was it made in Syracuse, NY? Since it has the fatter Spiralator, I guess this might be a later model.

-ph

*****Post# 26114-1/27/2003-12:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: When I do get a wringer washer for a collection, I hope it will be a pink one! Robert and I have seen a few of these around town in the past.

*****Post# 26116-1/27/2003-12:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Cool Pic! with the OO!!)
MESSAGE: I bet she had a big family and used it to keep things moving along. I thought it was a fun touch that they took her picture with the machine. It is really a gem. They used to sell translucent fitted covers for washing machines, I'm wondering if that's what she used to cover it. The basement floor is really pretty too!

*****Post# 26118-1/27/2003-13:05 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds with Flair (My toaster)
MESSAGE: I want it too. My Grandma had one. Great toaster. Major tempation though for little grandchildren to walk by and push the trip wire down! Not a good thing to do when the toaster cozy is in place though...I can still smell the burnt plastic...

*****Post# 26120-1/27/2003-15:45 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Easy wringer)
MESSAGE: Peter, I will have to check and see. The people that sold the machine said it was made back in 1939 and it's in mint condition. Extreamly clean from top to bottom. The motor and transmission looks like it just came from the factory and it only needs a new drain hose....
Wow what a great buy!

But one question?
Does this machine suppose to have a lint filter under the lid or such an attachment like the Kenmore Visamatic?

*****Post# 26122-1/27/2003-18:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Thanks - I could use a break! But you know how it is - you go through years getting "fat, dumb and happy" thinking that you are set. Then fate steps in and reminds you about balance...

*****Post# 26123-1/27/2003-22:48 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: GE Combo & Roll Out Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Picked up my ebay wins today in Fullerton Calif. The Combo washer and dishwasher are just stunning and in almost perfect condition. It was a surprise to find them in GE's Sunburst Yellow color. The sellers were very kind and charming, just wonderful people. They also offered the GE 4 burner range top with tandem pushbuttons! Will send some pics in soon.......Jimmy

*****Post# 26124-1/28/2003-03:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australia Day Jan 26/27
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter. You are on the ball.
We went to a Council function for the day (Hubby is a Councillor), not the sort of thing we'd usually go to but actually it was a good day. The usual tedious speeches; some music (good singers but over-amplified); a great comic who impersonated several Aussie politicians of recent past; citizenship ceremony for some migrants; community service awards for some local good folk; followed by a free BARBEQUE!!!
Afterwards a friend took us out to see "My Big Greek Wedding" in the tiny local "cinema" which is really the Mechanics Institute hall, converted for the school holidays. It was a hoot!
Good on you for remembering.
Chris.

*****Post# 26125-1/28/2003-04:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: More Bauknecht brochure pictures
MESSAGE: My new Belgian friend sent me some more pictures. It appeared there were actually two brochures, a red one and a blue one. I added the new scans to the album. There was also an extra red page showing an H-axis twintub. The blue brochure shows clearly a picture of the control panel of the Boiling washer with the three controls.

One other thing that drew my attention is that there is no information about spinspeeds. I assume these machines spin between 600 - 800 rpm, but that's just a guess.

*****Post# 26126-1/28/2003-04:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: American classic kitchen question
MESSAGE: Pol from Belgium has a question about a kitchen. This kitchen (see link for a picture, the store is in my neighbourhood) is sold overhere as an American Classic, but to be honest I have never seen one in the US yet. Is there anybody who knows a little more about these kitchens? Name, manufacturer, website etc? He would love to know more about it since he recently purchased one of these.

Louis
LINK: http://www.indigo-design.nl/kitchen.asp

*****Post# 26127-1/28/2003-04:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Sam toploading H-axs washers
MESSAGE: Besides the Bauknecht pictures I also got a few scans from a Sam brochure, a manufacturer of mainly H-axis toploading semi-automatics. I think Sam was an independent manufacturer that was later purchased by Thomson Brandt.

*****Post# 26128-1/28/2003-07:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question
MESSAGE: I don't know the manufacturer but it looks like a 1950s kitchen except for the new dishwasher. It's beautiful

*****Post# 26129-1/28/2003-07:32 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Jetcone Set
MESSAGE: Just as my birthday approached last week, I got a call from California Appliance Recycling Factory in Riverside, Ca. that they just got in a Frigidaire jetcone washer and dryer set in mint condition. I did the one hour drive there from Palm Springs and bought the set. They are to be delivered this week. I can't wait to do my first load in the jetcone. I do not know how to post pictures but will try. All that will be left to complete my small collection will be to find a Thor Automagic top loader spinner washer.

*****Post# 26130-1/28/2003-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: It looks to me like an Avco design with the slanted drawer fronts. Avco owned Bendix and Crosley appliances and also made kitchen cabinets. I scanned a copy of a brochure that I have from 1954, probably a little earlier than the kitchen you linked to, you'll notice chrome pulls on the drawers in the ad that are missing on the pictured kitchen. Avco home appliances (Crosley & Bendix) were sold in 1956, but I don't know what happened to the cabinet division then. There is also a '54 Crosley washer and dryer ad in that same photo album.
LINK: http://edit.photos.yahoo.com/edit/gansky1/fupload_parent?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.src=ph&.action=upload&.view=t&.vty=p&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Ads%2bArticles%2bBrochures%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26131-1/28/2003-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Visamatic! In Pink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I haven't used the wringer for a few weeks, it is a lot of fun and very fast if you use an automatic to rinse and final spin!

*****Post# 26132-1/28/2003-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds with Flair (My toaster)
MESSAGE: I found this toaster at a sale a few years back, I see them all the time though. My grandmother had one for many years just like mine, I always thought it made the best toast. You can still find nice ones on ebay too.

*****Post# 26133-1/28/2003-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Combo & Roll Out Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yay! I was wondering if they were "in color" as the pictures in the auction hinted to. Sunny yellow - what a fun surprise! Can't wait to see more - they looked like they were in very nice shape.

Drive safe Jimmy - Greg

*****Post# 26134-1/28/2003-07:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set
MESSAGE: Sounds like you found a 70's 1-18 set? Congrats and hopefully they won't need much work to get you washing! You've certainly aquired some neat things this last year - now for the Thor!

I can't view the brochure, I get "Acces denied", I guess you have the album set to private still?

This kitchen is still sold overhere, it's especially for people into fifties stuff. BTW, did I mention the doors on the cabinets are metal?

Louis

*****Post# 26136-1/28/2003-09:48 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set
MESSAGE: wow, Ross, congrads, what great finds !!, I hope to see pics, best of luck with them.............-gregm

*****Post# 26137-1/28/2003-14:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set
MESSAGE: Wow Ross, what a lucky find!!! Hope you will be washing soon. Are they a particular color or white? Whatever they are, best of luck with them!! So nice when a mint condition set is available. You know, those things were built so well that if in mint condition you should have years more service. Not like today's stuff......

Congratulations!

*****Post# 26138-1/28/2003-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what happened - I tried the link and got the "upload photos" page - anyway, try this link. The Crosley cabinets would have been all metal too. Avco made cabinets, Frigidaire had a line of cabinets as well as GE, Hotpoint, etc.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Crosley+Kitchens.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t

*****Post# 26139-1/28/2003-17:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set
MESSAGE: Happy belated birthday! I hope it was a good one. Congrats on the new Frigidaires. What a wonderful addition to your collection. I hope that you get many years of enjoyment out of them. Those machines were built to last. BTW, how did you make out with that slant front Westy? Your last report was that it had to be sent off for repairs upon arrival.

*****Post# 26140-1/28/2003-19:44 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: Hey guys, my parents had a kitchen full of these back in the mid to late 60's. I remember my mom could not wait to get rid of them! My dad and brother pulled them off of the walls and me and my mom scraped up the black & white checker patterned asphalt floor tiles. (Blasphemy!) Think I was 7 or 8 at the time. Anyway, they were known as Youngstown-American steel kitchens. The doors were very heavy and unfortunately the hinges would wear. As did the door closure hardware. The less used and in good shape cabinets were reused and relocated to the basement workbench area.

Friends of my parents had a GE kitchen cabinets in turquoise with Pink GE appliances put in their new home in 1960. Waaay cool. Only the dishwasher has been replaced. Whirlpool Corp., also had steel cabinets called "Wonder-life"....in the 50's & early 60's. You can catch a glimpse of them in several scenes of the Doris Day--Rock Hudson movie "Pillow Talk". They're in Doris' NY apt.

There were literally thousands of post WWII houses built in developments in the Buffalo NY area that had these Youngstown- American kitchens. Surely there are plenty still there. Most notable is community known as Green-Acres in Tonawanda......virtually every California ranch there had them. Fun memories....take care..

*****Post# 26141-1/28/2003-20:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat--childhood detergent smells)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm back. The internet virus upset my access to several sites. Anyway Jon, I can't believe that you couldn't come up with a smell from your childhood, I can't imagine that would deter a gent such as you. Like I've posted b4, my earliest was Rinso Blue.

*****Post# 26143-1/28/2003-20:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds with Flair
MESSAGE: Greg, what finds!! And what a contradiction, the picture of the vintage vac coffee pots and the Asko's control panel!!!

*****Post# 26144-1/28/2003-20:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Anthony, I had the same feeling after 20 years. And then out of work for over 18 months.

*****Post# 26148-1/28/2003-22:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: Leslie, it's great to seeyou--have missed having you around much. Per Pillow Talk, wasn't Selma Diamond Doris' NY apt. maid? One of my favorite movies, Rock was in it, so I didn't pay much attention to much of anything else. Although I do remember another one of their movies together, the suburban kitchen had a spray-tube 1964 or 1965 Frigidaire dishwasher in yellow.

*****Post# 26149-1/28/2003-22:18 ||| Soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: Buying on eBay
MESSAGE: Has anyone out there had any success in buying washers and dishwashers on eBay? Specifically, crating and shipping! Seems like most of the great stuff I have seen is 500+ miles away!

Just curious if I'm wasting my time bidding on something that will be a major $$ or challenge to deliver!

Thanks for your helpful insight!

Shawn

*****Post# 26150-1/29/2003-02:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg, great picture, but this isn't exactly the same one, or did they have several models?

Louis

*****Post# 26151-1/29/2003-04:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: great CONSTRUCTA washer (kochautomat--childhood detergent smells)
MESSAGE: I am sure we all have those. I had several early ones - Cheer and Fab (in the gold foil "moisture proof" box)were two big ones as well as Dash, Silver Dust and Oxydol. And occasionally, Instant Fels.............

*****Post# 26152-1/29/2003-04:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: It was on one of the cable channels not more than a week ago! I remember seeing it with my parents in the movies. Of course in those days, Saturday nights meant dinner at the Chinese restaurant in downtown Brooklyn and then a movie at the RKO Albee - which was like a miniature Radio City Music Hall. THEN, if were flush, it was ice cream sodas at Junior's. And finally a walk down Fulton Street with window shopping at Martin's, Abraham and Straus, Namm's and Loeser Brothers.

If I remember correctly, Pillow Talk was reviewed as a typical Day and Hudson "gay romp". Hmmm.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

*****Post# 26153-1/29/2003-07:02 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Buying on eBay (buying on ebay)
MESSAGE: hi shawn....i live in palm springs, california and i purchased westinghouse front loader from someone in savannah, ga for $300.00....i arranged with local freight company to ship machine here from start to finish....picking machine up in the person's house in savannah to delivering it to my home in palm springs.....cost $785.00....yes, the shipping cost more....and the machine that i was told was in working condition was dead when it arrived here....still in repair shop...it has been completely rewired, new solenoid, new bearings and gaskets....dont know what total cost will be....so if you wish to purchase machine many miles away, shipping may cost more than the machine....and you wont know the condition until it arrives at your house.....

*****Post# 26154-1/29/2003-07:04 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set (frigidaire jetcome set)
MESSAGE: hi greg....i do not know how to post pictures to yahoo...still awaiting arrival of machines but will take pictures with my digital camera... and can send email....yes, i am still waiting for thor....wonder if i will ever find one....

*****Post# 26155-1/29/2003-07:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American classic kitchen question (Set Your Heart on a Crosley!)
MESSAGE: I suspect the picture is an early version of this similar design (with the chrome drawer pulls) from 1954. I remember a neighbor of my grandparents that had the same cabinets without those, but with the slanted drawers as pictured.

*****Post# 26156-1/29/2003-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Buying on eBay (buying on ebay - appliance shipping)
MESSAGE: Craters and Freighters Inc. does a wonderful job for a reasonable price. If there is a branch in the area of the appliance to be shipped, they will pick up, pack and crate it and ship it to you. There is a branch-search function on their website.
LINK: http://www.cratersandfreighters.com/

*****Post# 26157-1/29/2003-07:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jetcone Set (frigidaire jetcome set)
MESSAGE: Yahoo photos is very simple to use, just register with Yahoo and then upload photos from files on your computer just like attaching them to emails.

*****Post# 26164-1/29/2003-16:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (WOULD SOMEBODY BID PLEASE!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Would someone PLEASE bid on this dryer??? It's such a classic and would be a shame for someone in the club to not get it. I would love to bid but HAVE NO MORE ROOM!!! Mark

*****Post# 26165-1/29/2003-16:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is?
MESSAGE: If you want to win something on ebay, you have to put in a bid that is the absolute highest you'll pay for the item, because if you don't, someone will wait until THE LAST MINUTE of the bidding process and win the bid sometimes by fifty cents! It can be a real heartbreaker. Mark

*****Post# 26166-1/29/2003-17:39 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (WOULD SOMEBODY BID PLEASE!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow! That dryer is as old a me. (It looks likes it in much better shape too! ;-)) I too hope that someone in the club gets it. This is another time when I wish that I lived in a house instead of an apartment. Sigh!

Check out this service especially for this type of situation - AuctionSniper.com will post your bid in the very last seconds of the auction so that you won't miss out. You can still be outbid, but your chances are better as close to the end of the auction as possible. I've won several things this way - it's great!
LINK: http://www.auctionsniper.com/

*****Post# 26168-1/29/2003-17:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay
MESSAGE: That is lovely, saw one of these (gas) at an estate sale a month or so ago. The matching washer is in the warehouse/store in Iowa I found last summer.

*****Post# 26169-1/29/2003-21:07 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (Filter-Flo)
MESSAGE: Yes Soharra, Im Filter Flo on this club, and use the name Junkyardguy on ebay. I won the auction, but go back and check the bid history. You will see that it was you that first outbid me, as I was the first bidder. And remember, whether you use acutionsnipe or not, its the HIGHEST bidder that wins. The Westinghouse slant front pair on ebay right now its going to be an interesting auction; We never used to bid against each other on auctions, guess thats a thing of the past..........

*****Post# 26170-1/29/2003-21:23 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (Filter-Flo (bidding against))
MESSAGE: For what its worth, I do not have a problem with any club member bidding against me. If someone is willing to spend more than me, so be it. I hope whomever gets these machines will take care of them, enjoy them, and maybe share them with other club members to an extent that is comfortable enough for them.

*****Post# 26171-1/29/2003-21:35 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (Are you home yet? Or on the way?)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
I looked up what you won these machines for and I could not believe the deal that you got on them! That is wonderful! I wonder if the only reason the combo did not go for big bucks was because of it lacking a window. I know that last pink GE combo that was on Ebay went for over a grand. I don't think we ever heard anything else about that one. Didn't a club member buy it?
Well, you are lucky, and I am happy you got them.
I was wondering if you got any history on the machines while you were there? I wonder when was the last time they were ran.
Well, I am happy for you.
I hope that you have a safe trip home if you are not home already.
Take some pictures!
Brent

*****Post# 26172-1/29/2003-21:39 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (You are such a nice Gentleman!)
MESSAGE: Greg you are so nice!
Although I love that pair, I can't think about shucking out that much money, then paying shipping on top of that. I am sure shipping would be over $1,500 for the two.
Can JIMMY pick them up on his way home? :) Where are they. I need to look at the eBay ad again.
Happy bidding to all!
Brent

*****Post# 26173-1/29/2003-21:41 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Hou much did they want for it?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Sounds like you have been working like crazy!
Why did you pass up that gas Maytag? Were they asking too much?
I know that you have been looking for a gas dryer.
Do tell....
Get some rest!
Brent

*****Post# 26174-1/29/2003-21:49 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht washing machines brochure 1964/65 including "Kochautomat" (Some technical information (Thanks for posting))
MESSAGE: Louis,
I loved the brochures! Those were very good looking machines.
Do you ever see any of these models that have made it this far? Were the commercial machines very popular in the Laundry Mats? Do you ever see the old ones still running?
I love the looks of the fronts, and the controls look very ahead of it's time from the other machines that I have seen in your brochure collection.
Thanks again!
Brent

I'm home in the evenings, but still seem to keep myself busy around here too, wish it was warmer so I could work in the garage.

The Maytag dryer I saw was marked $10 and was $5 on Sunday, but it was more than likely "trapped" in the remodeled basement of the house. I didn't feel like messing with it for a dryer I really didn't want anyway. The Maytag Master washer (wringer) was there as well for $25 (12.50) I want a BIG capacity gas dryer with a hot burner to use out in the garage - like my GE in gas or that 68 Whirlpool on ebay a while back with the paneling on the door. All in due time...

Hope you are well - Greg

*****Post# 26180-1/30/2003-01:43 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (You are such a nice Gentleman!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, thanks for the kind words. I found out a little of the history of the GE Combo and dishwaser: The ebay people I bought them from were very charming people. They purchased the house from the original owner, the house having been built in 1955. It was an original All Electric Gold Medallion Home with a complete GE kitchen in it, including the wall refrigerator. The refrigerator has been replaced by the time they bought the house, but all the rest of the kitchen was still intact. They said that this house had been the model house for the development, and that Ronald Reagan had actually been present for the open houses and showings. That makes senses logically, since he was the spokesman for GE during that time period. The items I got had the original owners manuals with them, but had not been used in a long time. The seals do look very dry, as is typical. The had the wall oven and pushbutton cooktop and offered them to me free if I wanted them, I did take the cooktop, but did not have room for the wall oven. Its still there if anyone wants it. I can put you in touch with the owner if need be......Im currently in LA until Sunday, and them am going to Orange Cty to visit Rich (GOLittleSport) from the club. Met Ross Roberts and Rich from Palm Springs last week and we had a nice dinner together. Driving back thru Phoenix to pick up the Frigidaire SkinnyMini that i bought there, then back on the road home for Ohio. Will be home about the middle of Feb.....Miss you all, and certainly enjoy the club and posting while Im far away from home........Jimmy

I never saw those machines around when I was young and I never saw them later. I guess they never made it to this part of the country. Besides that I think that they weren't very popular, I guess they were pretty expensive. Also Constructa was leader in the boiling market. When I was young I knew at least three households that had one.

In the Netherlands almost all laundromats had Miele machines, I can't remember seeing other machines being used, but I'm sure there were others. Later Electrolux became popular and took over quite a part of the market. Laundromats disappeared almost in the eighties when almost everybody had it's own washer, but there are some new ones now. In this town with 170,000 people there are now 5 laundromats.

The controls were actually not that different from other machines from that time. Most of them had a timer, a temperature control and some sort of cycle selection. Miele had toggle switches for cycle selection, Bosch and Bauknecht had a third rotary control. Some TOL machines had a single knob like modern Mieles have.

Louis

*****Post# 26182-1/30/2003-05:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (Filter-Flo)
MESSAGE: So many things have changed recently, Jimmy. It's almost impossible to avoid bidding against someone else in the club these days. Perhaps that was the original intention, but the club has grown so much in the past year and the supply of vintage appliances appears to be shrinking. So it seems that the natural end is something like this.

Another principle of the original club that seems to be only a memory was to try and avoid having washers selling for very high prices. At the time, the concern was that once used appliance dealers figured out that people wanted these washers, prices would skyrocket - creating a hugely inflated "market price". Yet, you will remember that when Robert (Unimatic) sold his turquoise Frigidaire some months ago, the bidding war on e-bay drove the price over $1,000. I am sure I still don't understand why it was OK for us to drive prices up ourselves on e-bay, but objected to a used appliance store charging an incredible price...

I am not sure if club members bidding against each other on e-bay is such a good idea either. It can lead to bad feelings especially when you have a few people with deep pockets that can and will outbid those of more modest means on any auction. In effect then, these are the people setting the pricing structure at a high level. But I am equally as unsure exactly what the right answer is either........

*****Post# 26183-1/30/2003-06:35 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (Jimmy you sound like you are having a blast!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Thanks for that interesting information about you new aquired GE Combo, dishwasher and range top. The history of the house alone was amazing.
I am glad that you are having such a great time on your trip. Actually envious.
Have a safe trip back home, and take pictures of your new toys for all of us.
Brent

*****Post# 26184-1/30/2003-06:42 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Trapped!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Funny how people remodel and rebuild never thinking that they will need to get something out or in at some point of their lives.
I bet that you will find an Americana gas GE soon. I just feel it. So, I guess that you are using your electric Americana as your BIG dryer? Has your opionion stayed the same about it?
And about that Whirpool Gas dryer that was on eBay... Didn't a club member get that one? I never heard anything about it.
You do have a gas dryer hooked up don't you?
Brent

*****Post# 26185-1/30/2003-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Tech Talk 1958
MESSAGE: For anyone interested in the Frigidaire washers of 1958, here's a must have. This manual has an excellent section on repairing and rebuilding the unimatic mechanism (1947-58) and looks to be in very nice condition.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20713&item=2305409289

*****Post# 26186-1/30/2003-07:24 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Far be it from me to criticise Norge, but I believe I would have rethought the idea of the "NORGE RIPPLETTE" wash system. I'm not sure I would want to trust my cashmere to something with that name!

*****Post# 26187-1/30/2003-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know Who Junk Yard Guy Is? (You are such a nice Gentleman!)
MESSAGE: Very interesting story on the appliances - I'll bet that was a beautiful kitchen.

If this was installed in 1955, this washer is probably the one Jetcone mentioned with a transmission instead of the later, three belt design- the very first GE combo. Quite a find and the dishwasher too! Congrats again and have a safe trip!

*****Post# 26188-1/30/2003-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Trapped!)
MESSAGE: I looked around that basement and saw the sharp turns and steep steps going up and knew then I wouldn't be the owner of that dryer. I wasn't interested in that one much anyway as I already have the 54 Speed Queen dryer in gas hooked up, but it's a smaller capacity that can't handle big loads from the Maytag or GE very well.

I do like the GE dryer although it does have it's drawbacks. It is electric and therefore much less efficient than gas and then there is the lint/airflow issue that gets annoying. Consumer Reports didn't care for the huge door as you couldn't have a basket in front of the door and open or close it without moving the basket. I thought this was a little silly at first, but it turns out that it is a little annoying, especially since there is limited room where I have it installed - too much crap in my garage, I know, but still a valid complaint. I do love the huge opening and the capacity is wonderful and of course, it is beautiful - even in gold!

I'm not sure who ended up getting the WP on ebay - too far to ship a dryer

*****Post# 26189-1/30/2003-09:18 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: I agree with you about the riplette name. But the POD is fantastic. One of the best we've ever had. I'd love to see one of these fine 56's in pink, green or yellow too. I'm glad Robert had this machine in his collection and in the cyber museum for us to enjoy.

*****Post# 26190-1/30/2003-09:28 ||| julimccrary (texas)
SUBJECT: youngstown kitchen cabinet
MESSAGE: I have a Youngstown kitchen cabinet from 1940s-1950s which had a dishwasher to the right of the sink. The appliance has been "gutted". I want info on possibility of restoration. I have never seen one before and know nothing about them but cabinet and sink are in excellent condition.

*****Post# 26192-1/30/2003-15:09 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Trapped!)
MESSAGE: That was bought for the museum and is now in Maryland.

*****Post# 26193-1/30/2003-19:30 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Whirlpool at the Museum from Georgia!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the update Jason.
That is a great place for it!
Did you hear if they hooked it up and tried it out?
I was going to bid on it, but was out of town at the time.
Brent

*****Post# 26196-1/30/2003-23:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer)
MESSAGE: It would drive me crazy not being able to use it. After all, why have a vintage appliance if one can't use it?

*****Post# 26197-1/30/2003-23:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer)
MESSAGE: You could plug it in and use it for fluffing pillows... or better yet, have your shop convert it to propane and buy your fuel at the market!

*****Post# 26200-1/31/2003-06:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer)
MESSAGE: Are we sure it is gas to begin with? I always thought any Maytag dryer with that little door at the bottom was a gas model, but one of those pics shows that door open and it doesn't look like any kind of pilot light assembly I have seen before. I almost thought it was a condenser dryer because it looked as if it was a little drawer that pulled out. Of course I didn't have my glasses on when I looked at the picture so it was a bit fuzzy.......

*****Post# 26202-1/31/2003-07:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer Swap)
MESSAGE: Brent, that is a cute dryer on ebay! I love the styling. I would love to have it but it always comes down to choosing between space for that "next" washer find or having another dryer. That seems to be the choice we face in this hobby.
What I think should happen is Uni converts to ALL dryers and I take his washers and convert to ALL washers,then that way ALL the appliances get saved. Then I ship the clean wet clothes out to Minnie to get dried. And Robert can ship them back folded.
wahttya say robert????????
jet

*****Post# 26203-1/31/2003-08:57 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer I think you have something there!)
MESSAGE: Jon,
You are so funny.
What is your next project that you will be working on as far as your machines go? Have you been using your GE Combo around the clock?
Wanted to ask you if you have ever worked on the Launderall machine that you have. Do you know what it needs? Tell us a little about it. I think it is so cool that you have one.
Thanks Jon!
Brent

*****Post# 26204-1/31/2003-11:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: More on American Kitchens
MESSAGE: Some days ago I posted a question about a kitchen. Well, I put my snowboots on and went to the shop that sells them. They gave me a copy of a brochure, I scanned only the frontpage since that was the only one they had copied in color. I also put some other pictures, that I eventually found, in my Yahoo album.

This kitchen was designed by Raymond Loewy (1893 - 1986), who was also the designer of the Greyhound bus, the Shell logo, the Lucky Strike package and also designed for Studebaker and NASA. This kitchen was introduced in the US in 1956 and in the Netherlands in 1959, where it was produced too. The Dutch manufacturer went broke in 1970. It looks very similar to the Crosley kitchen Greg posted a picture of(thanks again!), only this one doesn't have the handles on the drawers. So fat chance this kitchen was sold in the US by Crosley, but I haven't found anything about that. Confusing to me was the fact that this kitchen was named in the Netherlands different than in the US. Originally this kitchen was named "Look", but in the Netherlands they were sold under the name "American Kitchens".

Overhere in the Netherlands there are two dealers for them now that buy old kitchens and restore them. I have never seen them as a kid, but as the guy from the shop said:"How many houses do you see from the inside anyway?" (Not enough!) According to this guy there are enough left to keep them selling for a while.

*****Post# 26206-1/31/2003-17:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More on American Kitchens
MESSAGE: Thanks for the update - your research is interesting, perhaps someone will know the US manufacturer of these cabinets. I found this site a while ago about evolution of the kitchen and housewife over the years, it has another picture of the "Look" kitchen by Raymond Loewy & Assoc. under Dreaming the Postwar Kitchen. There are also interesting pages on the history of electricity in the kitchen, cooking utensils, etc.
LINK: http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/AMS/WebCt_Mall/myweb/consumergoods/consumerism_and_kitchen_goods.htm

*****Post# 26207-1/31/2003-18:13 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Today's POD (1/31/03)
MESSAGE: I had to laugh when I read the text that accompanied the Hotpoint ad in today's POD. It brags about the fact that the washer could "handle tiny 2-lb loads without special attachments". Hotpoint is a division of GE. The model's hair style, the 16-lb claimed capacity for the washer, the removable teflon coated oven panels, and design of the fridge, that are also part of the ad, suggests that Hotpoint ran this ad in the around the same time that GE was running ads that bragged about its "mini-basket" for very small loads. LOL! Talk about two divisions of the same company not knowing what each was doing when it came to advertising!

Thanks for the reply. I'll now recognize you on eBay. Hope you enjoy the machine! Let me know how it works! I am still on the lookout for a similar model (prefer the portable, but would take the undercounter...but either must have the impeller-style wash system {not the spray-arm system}).

All's fair that end's fair....I was out of the house during the last hours of the bid. I would have had to pay crating/shipping costs anyway!

*****Post# 26210-1/31/2003-20:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer Swap)
MESSAGE: Jon, I think the plan has potential, but I perceive it's fraught with wrinkles. Although, you might end up with the short end of the stick given it's more expensive to ship damp clothes than dry ones. And there's the issue of the combos. Do they classify as a washer or a dryer? Let's see, Robert has 2 combos, how many do you have? I can't remember, I think three is what I'm taking a stab at, but there may be one or two more that I am unaware of in your collection. There's also another issue that you might get short-changed with (now I'm just trying to be objective here and thinking of both sides here). You know I love you and Uni both dearly so I can say this without offense (and ahem, I have room to talk LOL) --It would still be more expensive for you. I mean, your laundry volume would probably still be more than the combination of Robert & Neal's together simply because neither you nor I are slight in any way. Yes, I've even thought about sending my voluminous amounts of laundry to Robert's, Steve's, Greg's, or your house (& flying to the locale for this maxi-wash-in), just so ALL my wash can be done in classic washers and treated with so much respect than my Shredmore. But the expense every two months would still be unBEARable for me. So, I think in the interst of fairness to both parties & collections concerned, maybe respective washers & dryers should stay in their current homes. I do have one suggestion though, MAKE YOUR BASEMENTS LARGER. Start digging new tunnels and spaces toward your neighbors' basements!!! (Well, I'll say it already, I can feel the slap from one of those six vanes coming. If I weather those slaps, does that make it a weather vane?)

*****Post# 26211-1/31/2003-20:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (1/31/03)
MESSAGE: Mike, I disagree. I thinnk both divisions knew what each was doing. It waas simply market positioning of the respective product/feature mix that uniquely set each other apart at the time. I mean, look at P&G with Tide & cheer back then. Both were excellent products, just pitched to different audiences or consumer segments--much like GE & Hotpoint.

*****Post# 26212-1/31/2003-20:32 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: congratulations Greg M
MESSAGE: Congratulations are in order ... the bidding has closed and it looks like GregM just got himself a beautiful Westinghouse Laundromat set. I expect to see pics soon!!! Great buy for such a nice set. Enjoy!!!

*****Post# 26213-2/1/2003-00:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: congratulations Greg M
MESSAGE: GregM, really happy for ya and proud of ya for winnin'!!! At this rate, I sense a wash-in convention at your house some day too!!!

*****Post# 26214-2/1/2003-04:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer Swap)
MESSAGE: Let's do that with other things too. For example with pets. One gets all the dogs....

Too far away for a slap!!!!

Louis

*****Post# 26215-2/1/2003-08:29 ||| julimccrary (texas)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown kitchen cabinet
MESSAGE: There is nothing mechanical underneath the cabinet.When you look inside from the top all you see is the tub with a hole down through the center to the ground beneath. It does still have the cover with a glass window in the center.

*****Post# 26216-2/1/2003-08:39 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: 50's 30" GE DW
MESSAGE: At another site there was a reference made to a GE DW from the 50's that was top load, built in and 30" wide. It is claimed that it had a motorized tub that worked "like a garage door opener" to slide in and out. We had a 1954 Sunny Yellow slide out GE, but I don't remember anything like what they discribed. Can anyone offer any info? (think how much fun you could have with a remote controlled slide out drawer!!!)

*****Post# 26217-2/1/2003-08:55 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: More Bauknecht brochure pictures
MESSAGE: Hi foraloysius is very interesting this old Bauknecht brochure.
I suppose that Constructa and Bauknecht was the same brandt because my grandmother Constructa was like B. commercial but it was only a 5 kg washer, bolted down.
I remember another thing; because it was a kockautomat it had two drain hose one to drain water and one to drain condensed steam when boiling the withes. In Brochure there is a photo called "using it as a portable" and B had two hoses in the sink. These were the two hoses that had C. too, or it was a suds return sistem?
My aunt had a washer that have an automatic suds return it was an INDESIT washer, built in Italy in the middle of the '60, a front loader with an inside suds return sistem known as "vasca di recupero" and it looked like B in this photo. BYE

*****Post# 26222-2/1/2003-14:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Maytag tops!
MESSAGE: I just got a set of Maytag tops!This meaning the Control board and the lid to the washer, every thing still on its hinges,blah blah blah. But, They are a Matching set from the seventies! I love the way the control board looks, with the dial in the center, it is sooooo dreamy!The washer top is in mint condition, no dents, no scratches, and no cracks! The dryer has some cracking at the corners of the conrol board, and it has some scratches, but they are both beautiful!

*****Post# 26228-2/1/2003-21:21 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash-In / workshop (great time)
MESSAGE: We had a great time, Bruce I hope your able to get some photos out here at some point. I know your very busy now, but I just wanted to say how much I loved the photos of your collection. I am sure the club will enjoy them just as much. Great to see you today...

*****Post# 26229-2/1/2003-21:38 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Suspension
MESSAGE: Today I was in the basement de-greasing my 24" Kenmore. :-))
This machine is greasy and grimy from the inside-out...

As we all know, a washer in a kitchen catches more grease than the stove. :-((
So I must use more Simple Green to get the rest of the job done! But what I seen in this machine is hair, hair and more greasy hair all on the interior cabinet and parts! More on the machine less in the tub, I wonder why?

This machine works fine and not much needs to be done on this machine but to replace the water inlet valve, bed of nails lint filter, possible suspension balls and a much needed paint job. Also I like to place sound reducing noise on the cabinet to dampen the humming.

Here's my question, the basket leans toward the right; off center. If the balls on the suspension are worn, could it cause the basket to be pulled to the right?

I've added this link even though it may be spinning, its balanced: make note on the position of the basket it's off center as you can see!

Regarding the off-center -- is it maybe the tub ring that's a little off-kilter, and not the suspension? I've seen that happen before, but not really in that way -- mostly I've seen tub rings turned a little clockwise or c-clockwise such that the opening in the ring doesn't quite align with the machine's top.

*****Post# 26233-2/2/2003-13:25 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash-In / workshop (great time)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg. I had a great time also. It seems that every time we get together at Jon's the time just flys by. Before I knew it it was 9 pm. Thanks for the many laughs and conversation. Let me know what's up with the Westies.

*****Post# 26234-2/2/2003-16:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash-In / workshop (great time)
MESSAGE: I can just imagine you had a wonderful time. I wish I could have been there!!

Louis

*****Post# 26235-2/2/2003-18:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Today's POD 2/2/03 (Kelvinator)
MESSAGE: I have a question. IN the ad copy, it states the washer had timed softener & bleach dispensers. With a solid tub, how did this work. I'm familiar with the WCI65 and similar models with the dispenser in the panel that was timed for liquid detergent and softener, but how did Kelvinator accomplish this?? I hope someone can shed some light on this for me. Also this is the first time I've noticed the buttons on top of the panel, very cool, kinda like a year or two of the LK, although a short guy like me and nearsighted at age 12, this would have been another horrible washer for me to try & use.

*****Post# 26236-2/2/2003-18:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash-In / workshop (great time (pics))
MESSAGE: Greg, I couldn't agree more. Pics of Bruce's collection PUHLEEZE!!! And more of your pics of your additions to your collection too Greg. AND BTW!!!, did anyone manage to take pics of THE wash-in/workshop????? I guess I must email Al and see about the pics he took, after all, he's such an extraordinatory dog.

*****Post# 26237-2/2/2003-19:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash-In / workshop (great time (pics))
MESSAGE: Bob- AL definetly has pictures of Sat Mass Wash In! I will wake him up and get him to post ASAP! He is such a lazy dog!
jet

*****Post# 26238-2/2/2003-21:21 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's 30" GE DW (the "
Empress"
)
MESSAGE: Yes, Comboboy, I remember this dishwasher, it was the "Empress" model... a 30" version, I think only made for a year or 2 (59, 60). Since I worked for an dealer in Schenectady, NY, the home of GE, many of the developments were built with all GE appliances. This 30" model was very popular with a particular builder, as I remember many homes in his development having it - I had to install new dishwashers with two 3" filler strips on each side, I think they were available from GE at the time..(72-75). The motorized drawer opener was a bomb, cause it was mounted on the base of the unit, under the tub, where water could leak and screw up the drive chain - but it was a neat idea, something sorely missing from most present-day appliance lines.... SteveD

*****Post# 26239-2/2/2003-22:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 2/2/03 (Kelvinator)
MESSAGE: The dispensers are on the top of the panel, buttons below the timer dial - 10 on the TOL model. The dispensers were similar in function to the WCI-65 - wells that released contents with a solenoid valve.

If you look very, very closely, you can see the off balance button on the top right side is popped up in the picture indicating an off-balance load!

*****Post# 26240-2/3/2003-00:38 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Suspension (Link is messed up)
MESSAGE: All is good so far and take note of the distance between the basket and side walls.....
The basket is about inches 2 1/2 inches from the right-side wall and the left is close to 3 1/2 inches from the left-side wall. The basket is not centered. And here is another photo with the top down.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/vwp?.dir=/My+new+collection&.dnm=She+needs+more+de-greasing.jpg&.src=bc&.view=l&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bnew%2bcollection%26.src=bc%26.view=l

*****Post# 26241-2/3/2003-05:44 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: vintage dishwashers
MESSAGE: I am looking for a vintage dishwasher. Not sure what I want yet,still think it might be a top loader but ?? If any one has info or pictures to share of dishwashers that are for sale Please send info to mikepaquette@sympatico (new email address) This one will not fill up @ can accept much larger files than hotmail Thanks for your time . Michael

*****Post# 26242-2/3/2003-05:52 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage Dishwashers proper email add.
MESSAGE: I am looking for a vintage dishwasher, not sure what kind yet but still slide towards a top loader. If anyone has any info or pic's that you would care to share of machines that might be for sale I would appreciate it. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 26243-2/3/2003-06:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's 30" GE DW (Schenectady??)
MESSAGE: Steved:
What dealer in Schenectady did you work for?? And who was that builder that used them?
Jon

*****Post# 26244-2/3/2003-12:04 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's 30" GE DW (Schenectady??)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, I worked for Roy LaMontagne on State St from 1972 to 1975. I mostly did dishwasher and built-ins installations for Roy, as well as some special installations (washers in the kitchens, water heaters, gas lines....). I think the builder was DelZotto, in Harmon Estates, off Route 50 in Burnt Hills......SteveD

*****Post# 26245-2/3/2003-17:54 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: 1910 CENTRAL VAC (OR THE REMAINS OF SAME)
MESSAGE: Check out the section called "Steam Boiler Replacement Pictorial" this HVAC company found a house that had a central vac system circa 1910!
LINK: http://www.appelheat.com/jobs/jobs.html

*****Post# 26246-2/3/2003-19:36 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1910 CENTRAL VAC (OR THE REMAINS OF SAME) (Very interesting website.)
MESSAGE: That was very interesting.
I love heating devices.
I can't get over the shape of some of the pictures that they posted. Shows how some houses catch fire.
FLAMES ROLLING OUT? I WONDER IF THAT IS NORMAL?
The central vac thing was very interesting.
Brent

*****Post# 26247-2/3/2003-19:49 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1910 CENTRAL VAC (OR THE REMAINS OF SAME) (Very interesting website.)
MESSAGE: A few years ago I looked at a house in Avondale Estates that had one of the Octopus Gravity Furnaces. The realestate agent was quick to point out why I would be smart to change it. She could not understand that I wanted to keep it. It was the best part of the house!!

*****Post# 26248-2/3/2003-22:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Living Better Electrically With GE
MESSAGE: I've been playing with the 1974 GE Dispensall washer I found at a sale a while ago and posted some pics of it in action. In the pictures you can see how the air-controlled valve controls the direction of the Filter-Flo stream. When the Dispensall unit is in place under the lid, the water streams are directed into either the detergent or fabric softener dispensers flushing their contents into the tub.
LINK: http://edit.photos.yahoo.com/edit/gansky1/fupload_parent?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.action=upload&.view=t&.vty=p&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26249-2/3/2003-22:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1910 CENTRAL VAC (OR THE REMAINS OF SAME)
MESSAGE: This is very cool - what a marvel that must have been in 1918 to have an electric central vacuum system.

The pictures of the heating systems are interesting too, I had friends with an oil fired gravity furnace in their duplex rental. What a waste of fuel!

*****Post# 26250-2/3/2003-23:19 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer)
MESSAGE: Gas dryers -- including Maytags -- that had standing pilot lights had a door on lower front of the dryer so you could gain access to the pilot. I'm guessing that the "drawer" is actually the lint filter.

Philco, Norge, and Norge-made (Montgomery) Ward's Signiture dryers had lint filters that were located near the floor. The Sept. 1966 issue of Consumer Reports objected to this location, calling it "inconvenient". The Sept. 1969 issue of Consumer Reports offered the following comment below a pic of the bottom rated Philco: "Philco's filter, close to the floor and masked by a panel may tempt you to neglect your filter-cleaning chores."

In the late 70's, one of my aunts was given a Norge Time Line dryer from the estate of a neighbor. She used it for several months, before I told her about the filter. This was the first dryer she ever owned (at the time she was still using a Maytag wringer washer) and she didn't know that there was a filter or that she had to clean it. She wasn't given the instruction booklet. The filter was easy to miss, both because its location near the floor and because you had to lower a panel to gain access to it. I'm convinced that the fact that the filter wasn't cleaned (until I came along) contributed to its untimely demise shortly thereafter. :-( (BTW, this machine HAD to be the noisiest dryer I've ever heard -- even after the filter was cleaned. It was in the basement and you could hear it no matter where you were in my aunt's house.)

*****Post# 26253-2/4/2003-05:59 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Looked Like Fun!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Looked like you very having a stress relieving time there with your GE. It was so cool to see how the water was diverted for each of the dispensers that were in the lid. I wondered how it worked, and know with your teaching us, I know. Thanks
Why in the world did they throw out the dispenser part? It is so obvious that they took good care of the machine. I wonder what was the deal?
I loved the "suds return". When my mom had GE Washers, I always remembered that little hole in the agitator when it was filling for the rinse, and usually it did have suds coming out.
Have you done any type of test to see the washing ability of that straight agitator? I am sure that you have other GE agitator's somewhere there. Have you put one of them on?
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent

*****Post# 26254-2/4/2003-06:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers proper email add. (Ebay is a goldmine! )
MESSAGE: That is such a cool dishwasher!
Any guess of the exact year?
I remember seeing one like this in a "Post" magazine. It was also showing the cabinets. Seemed like they were all made by GE. "GE Kitchens" or something like that. I remember also that they had the square electric hot water tank also built into the kitchen. It was hard to tell the dishwasher from the hot water tank. Then I thought the front handle on the dishwasher would give it away. Also the way the cabinet tops were shaped, it looked like a seamless top from the actual cabinet top, to the dishwasher top to the hot water tank top. I was going to buy the magazine, but he wanted $15. Nah.
Anyway, I think the Post magazine was like 1946 or something.
Thanks for the link.
Brent

I found my '54 Norge Time Line Dryer on the side of the road, amazingly, it works great, and is ironically very, very quiet. Maybe the lack of cleaning the filter contributed to the noise you heard on yours. Do you still have it ? Take care... -GregM

I can't view the pictures. It looks like your link was to edit. It will not allow me to see them.

Steve1-18

*****Post# 26257-2/4/2003-09:13 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Where is he?
MESSAGE: Where is Unimatic1140? I haven't heard from him in a while.

*****Post# 26258-2/4/2003-09:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Ditto!!! And the funny thing is that the gold bar across the top says ERREUR. Greg, are you using Canadian Yahoo?

-ph

*****Post# 26259-2/4/2003-10:18 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Ironrite #95
MESSAGE: In one of my hurried moments, I closed the lid to the Ironrite incorrectly and broke the lamp shade. Do anyone of you have an extra sitting around that I could buy from you? It is model #95, I believe the only one with the lamp. Let me know! Thanks, Don

*****Post# 26261-2/4/2003-12:30 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer(noisy Norge))
MESSAGE: Greg,
Congrats on the curb-side treasure!!
I am also a fan of Norge laundry appliances. The extra noise is worth the speedier drying time due to the oversized blower. I have had good luck with 2 newer versions of this dryer and have even put off buying a newer Whirlpool Duet because of it. the only thing I wish I could change was perhaps adding a stainless steel interior like on the Amana's.
-Alex

*****Post# 26262-2/4/2003-12:32 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: indexing wash tub an old idea?
MESSAGE: Did any of the older washer designs incoporate an indexing wash tub like a new Frigidaire I bought for my mom?
-Alex

*****Post# 26263-2/4/2003-16:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Yahoo was acting very strange last night, it took forever to upload and then I couldn't find them for a while. Anyway - here's the correct link now:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=GE+Dispensall+Clean+and+Ready.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26264-2/4/2003-16:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I got that several times trying to upload the pics last night!

Unfortunately, the Norge was my aunt's. She lives near Pittsburgh or about 5 hours or so from where I live in New Jersey. I don't get to visit as often as I like and it disappeared between visits. :-( (It happened when she decided to replace her Maytag wringer with a Kenmore automatic in the late 70's.) I would have given just about any thing to be able to save it. I'm glad that you were able to save the one you found. :-) Congrats. What a wonderful find! Those Time Lines (both washers and dryers) are among my all time favorite machines!

Take care,

Mike

*****Post# 26266-2/4/2003-18:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I thought I was having problem after I changed my briefcase folders on Yahoo. Thank goodness it's not only me.

*****Post# 26267-2/4/2003-18:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: WOW!!! That is a beautiful set! I always wondered how that dispensall system worked. When do we get the video???Mark

*****Post# 26268-2/4/2003-19:46 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Dishwashers Vintage
MESSAGE: I was looking for something out of the ordinary, but this motorized built in drawer sounds wild. Hmmm I thought a KitchenAid split top rack, top loader was the best. Hmmmm So much info , Just can not imagine what Im about to learn , Thanks Guys Michael

*****Post# 26269-2/4/2003-20:44 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer(noisy Norge))
MESSAGE: thanks Alex, I feel very lucky to have come across this great vintage machine and even luckier that the darn thing works perfectly............

*****Post# 26270-2/4/2003-20:46 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer(noisy Norge)thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Mike ! .... I love the old Time Line Machines myself, I would love to find the matching washer, but who knows, that may be a tough call, whereas the machine is fifty years old...thanks for your comments............best regards, gregm

*****Post# 26271-2/4/2003-21:49 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new link Greg, I tried the other one this morning and wasn't able to get in either. This one worked fine. Boy I love the looks of that GE, the lighted console is beautiful. Somewhere we just have to find the missing part for that dispenseal system. A beautiful set with that matching dryer even if it is gold!! Terry

*****Post# 26273-2/5/2003-02:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for those pictures, it looks a real fun machine to play with. I had another look at the pictures you took before too. I wondered why they used a toggle switch for the wash temperature and a control for the extra rinse. I have seen that more often on GE machines and wondered why they did arrange the control panel that way. It doesn't seem very logical to me. The wash temperature and the water level are the controls you would use most anyway, isn't it? And they had to make a toggle switch with three positions for this arrangement. Anyone any idea why they did it this way?

Louis

*****Post# 26274-2/5/2003-05:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (1956 Maytag dryer(noisy Norge)thnx)
MESSAGE: I must say Greg that that was such a great find - any of the Norge time line machines are so rare. You know, I only remember seeing two of them in my life. I too would give anything for one of the washers - probably my favorite of all. Even better was the fact that it was in good cosmetic shape and worked. That is one to preserve!! Question on the dryer, though. Was that dryer considered to have an oversize fan for faster, lower temp drying?? Does it do the "4 way drying"? And I seem to remember a neighbor's Norge dryer that had a narrower exhaust than the traditional size we know today - was that my imagination??

*****Post# 26276-2/5/2003-07:13 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: Found this little gem on Ebay, looks well taken care of, and it needs a new home!!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=2306452528&rd=1

*****Post# 26277-2/5/2003-07:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I really need to do some 'mulitmedia' work soon, I have several things that would be fun to post.

*****Post# 26278-2/5/2003-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks Terry - they are very beautiful, I love playing with the washer - reminds me of the GE we had growing up, the sounds it makes are very familiar and comforting, like the Kenmores for Jason!

*****Post# 26279-2/5/2003-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: GE used toggle type switches for many years - not sure why though, perhaps they thought they were easier to set and read at a glance. Their Hotpoint line in the 70's (after they were converted to GE clones) always used dial type switches.

*****Post# 26280-2/5/2003-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: Oooh, that is nice - and a great price too. I love this style of KA dishwashers - so industrial and solid looking. The wash arm & support are made of cast iron spraying 40 gallons of water per minute!

*****Post# 26281-2/5/2003-09:47 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: GE AMERICANA DISPENSER
MESSAGE: Ganski,
Can you help me understand how it works? I'm not clear on how the water flow is diverted to the appropriate dispenser. Did all the water come out of the filter flow return? Thanks

*****Post# 26282-2/5/2003-10:00 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: What looks to be that very same dishwasher, but in Sunny Yellow, is listed in the "for sale" section here on classicappliances.com

*****Post# 26283-2/5/2003-16:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AMERICANA DISPENSER
MESSAGE: All the information you want and more! I've attached a link to the GE photo album with pages I've scanned from the GE Technical Data manual for the Dispensall unit. It should be easier to understand this way as there are some good illustrations of the water flow (yes, all from the filter-flo) through the dispensing tray.

Here is a link to the pictures of the dishwasher and GE rangetop and oven (all in sunny yellow) that the owner has for sale in our classified section. I'm sure they won't mind if people shop - they are very beautiful.

All the appliances look like they are in great condition - I wish I were closer and didn't have to ship them! This is one of my favorite KA dishwashers.
LINK: http://home.quixnet.net/~buffs/

*****Post# 26285-2/5/2003-16:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever worked with these dishwashers firsthand? I'm wondering how you load the upper rack. It does not appear to have any tines, but rather just a flat surface. How do you stand things up? It is very neat though, both the sunny yellow and SS one.

*****Post# 26286-2/5/2003-17:07 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: Ah memories...we had this dishwasher as I was growing up. Ours was some sort of metallic brown color. We'd load cups and glasses along the sides of the top rack, and bowls flat down along the sides facing in. Fill up the bottom rack with everything else, put the detergent in the little metal cup, and have Jet Dry solid rinse aid hooked to the top rack. (I rejoiced the first time we got a dishwasher with an automatic rinse aid dispenser.)

Push the start lever down, the timer would move and the dishwasher would fill with water without the pump running. I think it was a timed fill. I think it couldn't overfill since it was a gravity drained dishwasher with an open drain in the corner of the tub. Then, the pregnant pause, and CRASH!!! The powerful pump and the heavy duty cast iron wash arm would send everything flying! We always had overturned plastic bowls. The drying cycle had a heated blower and I always found the sound of that motor to be comforting.

It was a fun dishwasher, but my dad was always replacing the starter for the pump motor and the solenoid for the drain. I remember him replacing the gasket around the door as well.

*****Post# 26287-2/5/2003-17:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing your thoughts! With your description, I can now visualize the loading of the top rack. Did you grow up here in the twin cities?

*****Post# 26288-2/5/2003-17:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I am most likely to get an older Whirlpool Thin Twin!!!!!!!!I am soooooo happy! Wait! There is more, I have plumbing in my room, so guess where it is going! My dad willdrill a hole in the wall for the dryer vent, so no worries there! Does anyone know info on crater and freighters? Will they pick-up for you then ship it to you? Thanks a bunch!

*****Post# 26292-2/5/2003-18:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AMERICANA DISPENSER
MESSAGE: Wow, I did not realize the Dispensall was around already in 1973. I thought that was a late 1970s thing. Interesting reading!

*****Post# 26293-2/5/2003-18:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Maytag Combo Tech Spec Book
MESSAGE: Hey,
This auction is over, but it was the above mentioned on eBay.
Just wondering if the winner is a club member?
That book is very rare. I am sure as rare as the machine itself.
Brent
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2305361519

I have just returned from holidays down the South Coast of NSW, Beautiful! Beaches so much nicer and cleaner than in Sydney.

I also used my friends mothers NEC Air bubble washing machine. For my experiecnes see the sandbox...

*****Post# 26296-2/5/2003-20:34 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale (Estate Sale GE's)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link to the pics. There was an estate sale at a beautiful Mid-Century Modern house here in Seattle a few months back. They had the original GE wall kitchen (I guess that would be the term - one unit with cooktop, sink, dishwasher and oven)all in Sunny Yellow, with stainless steel top, plus a separate sunny yellow wall oven just like the one in the pic. The house is in a very ritzy neighborhood by Lake Washington, and I keep driving by to see if the new owners have put all the kitchen stuff out on the curb, but so far, it looks like they haven't. Can we dare hope that a person who appreciates vintage appliances bought the house?

*****Post# 26298-2/5/2003-21:33 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of eBay (Norge 4 way??)
MESSAGE: thank you, yes, I love the Norge Time Line Dryer, does a great job, not sure on the "oversize fan" thing because mine has just a heat and no heat setting, and what do you mean by "4-way" drying? and yes I do believe the exhaust is a bit smaller,narrower than most.........

*****Post# 26300-2/5/2003-21:42 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid Dishwasher on Ebay for Sale (loading)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, You actually need to lower the bottom rack accordingly so that the spray can get in between plates, etc. TO the top rack and you can load glasses upside down of course next to each other. The spray is quite powerful and even though no upper arm, providing that you did not block the spray in the lower rack it did a very good job.......-GregM

*****Post# 26302-2/5/2003-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Living Better Electrically With GE (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I know just what you mean Greg, having grown up with two GE's I too love the sound they make. I will always remember walking into Robert's basement that first time and seeing and hearing his I believe 1951 GE, it was such a rush.

I have a slightly newer KA DW that is similar to the stainless steel one on eBay. In mine, all the upper rack tines are attached to the rack with fittings that enable the user to lay the tines flat for large objects (eg. mixing bowles, sauce pans, etc.) or to flip them up-right for glasses and coffee cups, and ceral bowls.

The 50's plastic "hinges" in mine have all broken with time, so I have had to resort to pandex strips to keep the tines in place. In looking at the photo, it looks like the tines with this KA (and, of course the hinges) are missing. Might be hard to find an exact match of color, unless someone has a junk machine for parts. If you decide to buy, let me know and I'll email photos of how I fixed the tines in my KA (it works just like new)!

*****Post# 26315-2/6/2003-13:38 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AMERICANA DISPENSER
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the info, big help! I'm guessing that opening the lid (washer) after the dispenser was loaded might not be a good thing to do (?) Too bad the dispenser lid wasn't clear to watch the action!

*****Post# 26316-2/6/2003-13:49 ||| Gewasherguy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: GE Washers
MESSAGE: Hey! Just happened upon this website and absolutely LOVE IT! I have really enjoyed looking around and more so finding information on old GE washers. My mother owned GE appliances through the 1970's, etc as I was growing up. I love her GE Washers. I know she had two at least but only really remember one. She had another in the early 1990's before the big change over. They both were good washers and only wish they still made them with the filter flo, etc. They both were mid range washers with plenty of features. If anyone else out there knows of links, pictures, website's, animated pics, of the GE machines please let me know either here or email me. Thanks again and again..a great site.

*****Post# 26318-2/6/2003-14:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Bauknecht and Bell ITT dishwasher brochures (1970s)
MESSAGE: My Belgian friend Pol sent me some scans of some 1970's dishwasher brochures. A total of three, one German Bauknecht brochure, a Dutch one and a Dutch Bell ITT brochure. I wondered if Bell ITT was an American company. Anyone information about this company? I thought this was a telephone company. I also remember my first transistor radio being an ITT. But I didn't know about the dishwashers.

*****Post# 26320-2/6/2003-16:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Appliance Park Anniversary milestone
MESSAGE: I sent a letter there asking for for some GE laundry literature, around 32 years ago! Got a lovely package of spec sheets for all the models at that time. Wish I still had it.

*****Post# 26321-2/6/2003-20:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Appliance Park Anniversary milestone
MESSAGE: Aw "GE" Leslie, thanks for letting us know. GE has brought us some nice innovations and ideas. Like the wall refridgerator, the P-7 self-cleaning oven, mini-basket, filter-flo, potScrubbers. After all these years, I'm still wondering how appliances park. I guess I must ask a mobile maid sometime.

*****Post# 26324-2/6/2003-23:29 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Appliance Park Anniversary milestone (How Appliances Park???)
MESSAGE: Right in front of the kitchen sink or the H/C water connections! That is how they park!

Shawn

*****Post# 26325-2/7/2003-05:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Washers (Welcome GEwasherguy!!)
MESSAGE: Glad you found us--- as we say---'we are everywhere,and it all comes out in the wash!".

Keep your eye on ebay there is always lots of GE stuff there. Have you started a collection yet? Post some pix over at Yahoo photos.
Cheers jon/jetcone

*****Post# 26326-2/7/2003-06:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Is anyone BKS1770 on ebay?
MESSAGE: If not then I am going for the F parts manual
jet

*****Post# 26327-2/7/2003-06:39 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Solid Tub Washer on eBay (Solid or perf tub)
MESSAGE: Too bad there is no pic of the tub. If there was, I believe we'd see that the tub is perforated. This machine looks to be a bottom-of-the-line model from the 80's.

*****Post# 26330-2/7/2003-07:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Thor parts manual
MESSAGE: Thor came out with an automatic washer in 1954 so that probably won't be in this manual, but the Automagic will be!

*****Post# 26333-2/7/2003-08:13 ||| gewasherguy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: GE Washers--Thanks!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the welcome and the information about pics, etc. I have really enjoyed catching all of them so far. To answer the below question about a collection..No...I have not collected but that is always a possibility. Again, thanks and look forward to catching all the pics.

*****Post# 26334-2/7/2003-10:49 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: baukneckt vs Constructa washer
MESSAGE: HI Foraloysius is very interesting your collection of old Bauknecht brochure, dishwasher and laundry too, but when I see the washer brochure I found some interesting things.
I suppose that Constructa and Bauknecht was the same brandt because my grandmother's Constructa was like B. commercial but it was only a 5 kg washer, bolted down.
I remember another thing; because it was a kockautomat it had two drain hose one to drain water and one to drain condensed steam when boiling the withes. In Brochure there is a photo called "using it as a portable" and B had two hoses in the sink. These were the two hoses that had C. too, or it was a suds return sistem?
I remember that my aunt, a sister of my granmother, had a washer that have an automatic suds return it was an INDESIT washer, built in Italy in the middle of the '60, a front loader with an inside suds return sistem (a little 2° tub) known as "vasca di recupero" and it looked like B in this photo. BYE

*****Post# 26335-2/7/2003-13:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: baukneckt vs Constructa washer
MESSAGE: I'm sorry, but I don't know if there was a connection between Bauknecht and Constructa in the past. I don't know anything about the two hoses either. I never paid attention to the hoses when I was young, I can't remember if there were one or two drain hoses on the Constructa's I know from my youth.

A frontloader with a sudsreturn, that sounds interesting, but I never saw one when I was young.

Do you have any pictures of the machines you are talking about? Would be nice to see some older Italian machines.

Louis

*****Post# 26336-2/7/2003-13:06 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht and Bell ITT dishwasher brochures (1970s)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis for posting the pictures. I wondered for years about the spray system in Bauknecht dishwashers. I don't recall ever seeing one in person, and all the pictures in the advertisements made it hard to see if it used a tower or a spray arm for the top rack. Now I know!

The countertop dishwasher looks very interesting too, with what seems to be a rotorack and, to top it off, it uses a reverse loading system, just like old Maytags: glasses and small dishes on the lower rack and plates and larger stuff on the top rack. For a while I knew people who lived in old apartment buildings here in US that had no place to fit a dishwasher and were looking for countertop models, but they couldn't find any. Now they seem to be getting easier to find.

The person bks1770 is me. Maybe I should change my name on Ebay so we know who is bidding on what.

Talk soon.

*****Post# 26338-2/7/2003-14:59 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: POD talks about the sprinkler system in the dryer. I recall our 57 Pink beauty came with an aluminium tube like goody that was perforated. I remember being told that it function was to sprinkle. What I don't get is how? If you just put in the drum it would bounce around. I don't recall a bracket or mounting system (of course I was younger then!). I do recall the cool air freshener that worked off the paddle switch on the "dash". Can anyone help with the workings of the sprinkler?

*****Post# 26341-2/7/2003-23:54 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Flairs in the news!
MESSAGE: Once again, the Frigidaire Flair comes to the rescue! Seriously, the design seems to be made for both small kitchens and our increasingly elderly population. Wouldn't it be great to see an updated version of this classic design?
LINK: http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/01/29iweek/in012903s357302.htm

*****Post# 26342-2/8/2003-01:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Flairs in the news!
MESSAGE: That's great! Thanks for sharing! I would love to see it make a comeback, as with just about anything GM Frigidaire! Having watched Ebay and etc there seems to be quite a number of the originals that have survived, which I also think is great.

*****Post# 26343-2/8/2003-01:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: pssst check this out =)
MESSAGE: Very interesting! Does anyone know if that particular model Hotpoint was ever actually sold to the public? It looks just like the early GE models.

*****Post# 26344-2/8/2003-09:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Flairs in the news! (Go FLair!!)
MESSAGE: What a neat article,I may even try her recepies! It just goes to show they don't build 'em like they used too!
Can't wait for Bruce to get his Flair up and running!
jet

*****Post# 26345-2/8/2003-11:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Flairs in the news! (Go FLair!!)
MESSAGE: Jon, I ad the same thought. I downloaded the page so I could asave the recipes LOL. I agree with previous comments, wish this concept would resurrect itself.

*****Post# 26346-2/8/2003-11:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POD 02/08/03
MESSAGE: The Bendix ad. Sad thing, none, if very few, of the fabrics worn by the two characters in the ad could be washed in the very same machine they are appearing with.

*****Post# 26347-2/8/2003-11:56 ||| joelt (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: refrigerators
MESSAGE: i have a monitor top fridge and another 40's fridge that i want to sell.both are still in use but the m.t. is out of sulfer dioxide.who's interested?

*****Post# 26348-2/8/2003-12:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 02/08/03
MESSAGE: True, but within less than two years, she'll be out of that dress and into coveralls doing her part for the war effort so the Bendix will have been a good investment anyway!

*****Post# 26350-2/8/2003-12:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Flairs in the news!
MESSAGE: It would be interesting to find some stats on the numbers of these ranges produced. They do seem to last - I wish more of the laundry appliances had too!

Also read that Dacor is coming out with a 30 inch dishwasher with capacity for 22 place settings. Could not find any information on the internet site about it.

Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.kitchenaid.com/briva/briva.htmls

*****Post# 26352-2/8/2003-19:20 ||| jonob (New Zealand)
SUBJECT: Additions to the Museum
MESSAGE: Hi All. Just a little question.........are other machines, ie Bendix and other models going to be added to the museum sometime soon? Also will any more machines such as the different models of Bendix be added to the video section which shows the appliances operating during different parts of the cycle.
This web site is so excellent!!!!! I thought I was the only one who was fascinated by these machines.

I'm so excited about this website! I just viewed the video from last year's convention and want to be sure to attend the next one! Details, details, please!

Thanks and it's so good to know I'm not alone anymore...

Todd

*****Post# 26355-2/8/2003-21:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: I have seen the Dacor 30" dw at Home Depot Expo. It has a 3-arm upper and lower wash arm and -- get this -- SPIN TUBES along the sides where the wash arms can't reach. The 3-arm wash arms have tons of perforation so that nothing escapes the spray. It's a beast of a machine!

-ph

*****Post# 26356-2/8/2003-22:20 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter! I wonder who is making the machine for Dacor or if they are manufacturing the machine themselves. If they make their dishwashers like they make their ovens, then this is another machine to avoid. Their ovens are the pitts. We used them in the cooking school for about two weeks and finally had to get rid of them since we couldn't even get one of the three ovens to maintain temp! They looked good but that was about it. Mark

*****Post# 26357-2/8/2003-22:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Women Love Their Laundry Rooms (I've always said it)
MESSAGE: My idea of a dream laundry room is a basement or garage complete with a couch, a washer collection, lava lamps, A home theater system including a HDTV, DVD, a cool speaker system and a Frigemore... yes, the laundry channel. Laundry usually takes 2 to 3 hours so why not be able to watch a movie or listen to music while sitting COMFORTABLY on a sofa or bean bag chair while watching a washing machine.

*****Post# 26358-2/8/2003-23:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: Peter, when i saw the press release on appliance.com news section, I jsut about came unglued with all the details, but particularly the Spin Tubes along the sides to get those outlying areas.

*****Post# 26359-2/8/2003-23:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Women Love Their Laundry Rooms (I've always said it)
MESSAGE: Uhm, who needs a movie or tv? You have the laundry channel in that room, no other watching is needed, unless it's a man!!!

*****Post# 26360-2/9/2003-00:06 ||| jonob (New Zealand)
SUBJECT: Hi to Washerlover
MESSAGE: Hi Todd
great to see you in here as well. I have been thinking about travelling over to the states for the next convention myself. Might just see you there!!

*****Post# 26361-2/9/2003-01:05 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: is there any way I can get a peek at this machine with spray tubes on the sides Very interesting Michael

*****Post# 26363-2/9/2003-03:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: And I thought we were supposed to talk about new appliances in the Sandbox.

*****Post# 26365-2/9/2003-06:45 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Dishwasher (Dacor at Expo)
MESSAGE: I've observed a european brand called "SMEG" that offers a 30" fully-integrated machine. It accomplishes full spray coverage over those wider racks, through auxilliary rotating spray arms fitted to the end of the main wash arms for both the upper and lower rack.

Looks a lot like what GM Frigidaire employed, on the Imperial and Custom Imperial dishwashers from the mid-60's through WCI.

*****Post# 26367-2/9/2003-09:05 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht and Bell ITT dishwasher brochures (1970s) (Bauknecht Rotorack (picture))
MESSAGE: Louis,
Was the "rotorack" water powered, like the early DM's or was the rack actually moved mechanically and the sprays stationary?

*****Post# 26368-2/9/2003-09:09 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: Maytag A106 repair
MESSAGE: My son has a A106 Maytag that doesn't spin right. Very slow. We have replaced the belts and still slow spining. Could it be the transmission? It still agitates and moves the clothes great. Any ideas.

The sprayers in this dishwasher are stationary (one on top, one at the bottom and one on the side). I think the rack was moved by the water, but the brochure isn't very clear about it. I'm putting my money on the water powered system. Otherwise this machine would get extreme expensive, there are already two pumps in this one, one for circulation and one for draining (like most other European dishwashers).

Louis

*****Post# 26370-2/9/2003-16:15 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I am getting a Maytag A206! I have a question about Craters and Freighters though.
MESSAGE: When they ship it to you, do they carry it down to its spot of the cleaning process? We need to know urgently please! P.S. I am not getting the thin twin after all, I am getting something better!
Thanks a bunch!
-Jamie-

*****Post# 26371-2/9/2003-19:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: WAIT...Don't Touch That Dial
MESSAGE: I just added one of my most favorite owners manuals to some of my most favorite automatic washers for the Feburary installment of the "Owners Manual of the Month".

*****Post# 26372-2/9/2003-19:50 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: new photos
MESSAGE: this link should take you to the beginning of the latest twelve new photos that I have merged into my album containing the 60's Whirlpool Washer (help with date?), 1970 Frigidaire 1/18, 1956 Kenmore RapidDry, and 1945 GE Frig. Hope you like ! I will be adding the Westinghouse W&D that I won on ebay soon along with the 1949 GE Dishwasher and 1959 Maytag that I picked up today.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/More+apps&.src=ph&.dnm=60%27s+WP+Wsh+cntrl.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bapps%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26374-2/9/2003-20:10 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I am getting a Maytag A206! I have a question about Craters and Freighters though.
MESSAGE: Jamie, the 3 times that I used them, they only drop off in front of your house. They don't bring it inside at all.

*****Post# 26375-2/9/2003-20:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos
MESSAGE: Interesting photos, Greg. And I can't believe that I saw the matching dryer to the Whirlpool washer just last Sunday at an open house. Unfortunately, I can't remember which house.......

*****Post# 26376-2/9/2003-20:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Those DIRTY Rings
MESSAGE: I just posted two new commercials to the video library, one is for the '59 Norge Dispensomat Washer. Imagine a commercial in 2003 where the woman asks the technician to take his shirt off!

The other one should be more vivid in all of our memories (except for maybe you Jamie), it's Wisk and their famous Ring-Around-the-Collar commercials of the 1970's!

*****Post# 26378-2/9/2003-20:28 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: two new photo albums
MESSAGE: Hi all, although unrelated to old washers, I just added two new photo albums so noted as "my radios" and "small apps" for those of you who might be interested in old radios and old coffee pots, toasters, blenders, etc. .......... All that you see is in perfect working order. Hope you enjoy if interested !!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

*****Post# 26379-2/9/2003-20:30 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (thanks Robert !)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert, it is indeed growing since I joined last May, I am very lucky to have acquired what I have and have met some great people along the way.

Re: Your question about a 2003 commercial and a man being asked (by a woman) to take off his shirt. I not only can imagine it! I saw it a veriation of it. (I've seen it twice so I know that I'm not imagining it!) There's a commercial (I think that it's for Sears but don't hold me to that!) that features a woman loading a washing machine. Someone off camera is tossing clothes to her. At the end of the commercial, it becomes obvious that she's in the market for a large capacity washing machine and that she's in the store's appliance department. The commercial ends with her smiling and saying "thanks guys" to four embarrassed looking salesmen who are in their underwear!

*****Post# 26382-2/9/2003-20:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos
MESSAGE: What is the model number? I believe 1964 would be an "LMA-" and I think your machine a little newer than that.

*****Post# 26383-2/9/2003-20:49 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos
MESSAGE: Wow Greg! Thanks for posting. Those pics are great. That's quite a collection you got there. Is that the Time Line dryer that you find on the side of the road? I'm soo jealous about that one. (And the Jetcone, and the push button turquoise GE, and the new Westy pair. I could go on and on!)

*****Post# 26386-2/9/2003-21:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings (Video!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
What a great video
I hope you are doing well
Peter

*****Post# 26387-2/9/2003-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WAIT...Don't Touch That Dial
MESSAGE: Wonderful - and I was wondering how to set the controls for my WI-57 washer just today! Now I can start getting the most out of my Control Tower washing machine - thank you!

So clean, so quickly, so gently. Entirely without harmful rubbing!

*****Post# 26388-2/9/2003-21:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (Pretty WP)
MESSAGE: Great pictures Greg - congrats on the WP washer too! I might still have the control panel to the WP washer I had, might be another step up from this one with the larger plastic side panel and even a Magic Filter light! If you like it, it's yours. Here's a pic of the machine I had - I think the whole top is still out in the storage shed.

*****Post# 26389-2/9/2003-21:20 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A106 repair (A-106)
MESSAGE: In my A-106, I found that the hose from the tank to the pump had a rusted and faulty clamp where water would trickle down and dampen the belts, which affected the spin performance. Also, since this washer is older, make sure that the spring on the motor "sled" is there and working to create proper tension, and that the motor can be moved horizontally. It may be stuck in a forward position.

*****Post# 26390-2/9/2003-21:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums
MESSAGE: Awesome radios - you have a very impressive collection of radios. I love looking at them and imagining the news and fun shows people used to listen to on them - such beautiful pieces of history!

The small apps are wonderful too - do you use all of them? I use my Sunbeam automatic toaster and Osterizer all the time, truly the most perfect toast I've found yet.

Thanks for sharing with us!

Greg N

*****Post# 26391-2/9/2003-21:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos
MESSAGE: These are wonderful Greg! Of course I had to go back through and look at even those photos I've already seen! That Hotpoint range is just beautiful, and the 40" turquoise GE is one of my favorites of their designs. Everything looks just great, thanks for sharing!

*****Post# 26392-2/9/2003-21:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums
MESSAGE: What a coincidence Greg, I too collect small appliances, and in my case, vacuums! I think there are a fair number of us that branch out into the various forms and sizes of appliances! Even if you don't drink coffee, I'm sure Jon has told you what great coffee the Coffeemasters make!

Two more great collections for you! Here is a picture of some of my small appliances, as they were displayed in my apartment. Some of the members saw my collection when we had the first convention here in Minneapolis.
LINK: http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL53/814581/1667532/19618112.jpg

*****Post# 26393-2/9/2003-21:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new commercials - I was showing some of these to my friend Don to test his new cable modem Friday. He mentioned the one with kids dancing around the umbrella clothes dryer singing. He'll love this one!

Is it not proper to ask a technician to undress while working? I must have read that passage in Emily Post wrong then...

*****Post# 26394-2/9/2003-21:46 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (WP wsh mod #)
MESSAGE: Its hard to make out, looks pretty scratched but from what I can tell I think this is the model # LPA5500WD ??

*****Post# 26395-2/9/2003-21:48 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (thnks Mike)
MESSAGE: yes, thats the TIME LINE Norge in there that I found on the side of the road, needed repainting bad which i did. Mechanically fine, just plugged it in, amazingly works great.

*****Post# 26397-2/9/2003-21:51 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (Pretty WP)
MESSAGE: I accept your offer Greg, how could I not..... glad you liked the pics........ I think this washer is somewhere between a 1964 and 1966.

*****Post# 26398-2/9/2003-21:55 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums (all in use)
MESSAGE: I have about four of the radios plugged in, the rest on display, all have new tubes and have been cleaned/ restored/ and reconditioned, but not by me. I use the Sunbeam Auto down/up toaster quite a bit, that thing works awesome. I also use the Osterizer blender alot too. Everything else is usable and on display in my home. Thanks for your comments....

*****Post# 26399-2/9/2003-22:00 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums (wow)
MESSAGE: Wow Scott, I love the multi-colored mixers all lined up. Very cool along with the rest of your stuff. If you go and look again at one of my console radio/phono shots you will see a 1940 Hoover upright to the left which works great, might I add; Thanks for your comments ...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/My+radios&.src=ph&.dnm=1950+Magnavox+closed.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bradios%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26401-2/9/2003-22:24 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Frigidaire Promotional Item "Frigi-Bear"
MESSAGE: "Hello" Club members, I'm Steve "aka" SactoTeddyBear and I wanted to share with others of the Club that I have
2-Frigi-Bears, which I bought on E-Bay. I was told that they were used as a Promotional item around the 1960s or 1970s for that eras Frigidaire Refrigerator's and I was wondering if anyone might possibly know that exact or estimated year date that they used the Frigi-Bear for Advertising the Frigidaire Regrigerator's? I would really appreciate any and all info that someone might have about these Cute Bears.

For those of you Guys who haven't possibly seen my Profile as of yet, I'm listed as natrually "SactoTeddyBear" and I'm looking forward in possibly hearing from other Club Members, as well as the ones I have been in contact with already.

My E-Mail Address is : SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

Take care until later, please contact me and let me know how you are doing and what's happening where you live and maybe even some info about your Favorite Brands of Classic and Current Brands.

Best Regards, Steve "SactoTeddyBear

*****Post# 26402-2/9/2003-22:34 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings (thnx)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Awesome collection you have!! You should be very proud. Everything looks to be in perfect condition. I loved the small appliances, because of space that is what I have some of myself. Do you use the Sunbeam Coffeemaster? I have two of the model C's that I can't use because they need new seals. Is the Hoover the only vacuum that you have collected. Like Scott I love that turquoise GE range, what a beauty. Thanks so much for sharing with all of us. I will look forward to seeing that new Westinghouse set. Terry

*****Post# 26403-2/9/2003-22:38 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings (Thanks Robert)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for the new commericals and the owners manual of the month. I haven't gotten them downloaded yet but with dial up it will take a bit of time but I will get there!! Great to see you posting again. Terry

Here are a couple of my pastel ones, from the 60s.
LINK: http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL53/814581/1667532/19618083.jpg

*****Post# 26405-2/10/2003-05:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (thnx)
MESSAGE: Actually, Greg, I don't know what year your washer is. The folks who owned the house with the matching dryer didn't know the year either. I asked - but I got the usual response - had no idea, came with the house, didn't even know the brand......

*****Post# 26409-2/10/2003-07:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos
MESSAGE: "It's rainin' appliances, hallelujah, it's rainin' appliances, for Greg!!!". Greg, congratulations on all the recent finds again. I love the pics, thanks for sharing with us. Always loved the magic mix filters on whirlpools. Friends of ours in Dallas had that Kenmore dryer, I haven't seen that since I was 5. Thanks for the memory. My aunt had the matching washer too (at least the frog-eyed control panel with the exact same color of the eye dial), but I think her's was a bit newer because it also had a waterfall filter in it and I don't think Kenmore started offering the filter until 1957. But otherwise, it matched the dryer exactly. That's another memory you brought up for me. Thanks. It's kool to see "modern" things in that GE fridge too.

*****Post# 26410-2/10/2003-07:05 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings (thnx)
MESSAGE: Thanks Terry, yes, the Hoover is the only vac so far, and I do use the Sunbeam, it makes a great cup of coffee, glad you liked the photos.........-GregM

*****Post# 26411-2/10/2003-07:07 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums (wow)
MESSAGE: look at the color of those vacs, to funny, very cool, are those from the fifties or sixties?? thanks for sharing...-GregM

*****Post# 26413-2/10/2003-07:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings
MESSAGE: Mike you've got the right commercial for sure. I've seen it at least 15 ties in the last 10 days, particularly since last week was a laundry spectacular week. Too bad the men didn't remove their undershirts though. But I have to admit, I was as bit "shocked" at such a commercial in this day and time.

*****Post# 26414-2/10/2003-11:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: two new photo albums (wow)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! They were made from 1958 until about the early 70s. There were pink, blue, yellow, orange, green and umpteen variations of each, and Hoover had special names for each of the different colors. The blue one you see in the picture is "Delft Blue and Pearl White (the base), and the other is "Victorian Rose and Seal Griege".

*****Post# 26415-2/10/2003-12:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings
MESSAGE: OMG! That voice going "Ring around the collar!" gave me the chills! I remember those wisk commercials distinctly. The one I remember most is when the lady is unpacking a suitcase and the voice comes on "ring around the collar".

*****Post# 26416-2/10/2003-13:29 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: '59 MAYTAG need tranny seal / fill valve assembly
MESSAGE: Well I tried out the '59 Maytag (model A700) which works great, BUT, it needs a new fill valve assembly, it fills warm on all settings. I also need to find a tranny seal and idealistically a new/rebuilt tranny just to have on the side, should this one quit. Any assistance is appreciated. I took more photos today, should be out here soon.

*****Post# 26417-2/10/2003-13:56 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I am confused! HELP!
MESSAGE: How on earth do you ask craters and freighters to pack and ship something from Rockford, Il? How do I buy the item on ebay then get craters and freighters to go there, pack it up, and then ship it to me? Please help me!

*****Post# 26418-2/10/2003-14:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: I am confused! HELP!
MESSAGE: First, take a deep breath and relax! It's all very logical. Slow down and think. You first need to see if you can get shipping and then go bid. No use bidding on something without knowing IF you can get it shipped to you and HOW MUCH it will cost.

First, you need to see if there is an office in the city where the item is. Got to the link below, and click on "FIND OUT IF WE PICK-UP IN YOUR AREA" on the right side. Put in the zip code where the item is. If you don't know, use the link there to look for zip codes in Rockville, IL.

If Rockford is not serviced, go back to the home page and click on "FIND A LOCATION" on the yellow bar, then select Illinios. You will have to then either call directly or email the office you think is closest to Rockford to see if they will go out, pack and ship for you.

You will need the dimensions and weight of the machine in order to request a quote. Note that the further the item is from the office, the more it will cost.

Please don't tell me that you absolutely can't find one of these locally behind an appliance store or at a used appliance place. You could probably get one for free! There are millions of these machines out there. Believe me, save your money for a truly rare machine to show up.

*****Post# 26421-2/10/2003-15:44 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: But, you see, there is a problem. I can't get a wringer (mom thinks that they are gross) and I can't get an automatic from behind a store (mom thinks that they are also gross.) I also have a limited amount of time to get washer at all. Does anyone have a truly awesome Frigidaire that I can have? That would be wonderful! It would be my first Vintage Automatic Washer.

*****Post# 26423-2/10/2003-16:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Cool and closer to Ann Arbor
MESSAGE: I love that machine, Peter. The pink Sears wringers have turned up a couple of times at the sales here in Minneapolis. I wonder if they were just made in pink, or if you ordered by color just like an automatic. Someone just bid $125 (not from the club) on the round (BOL) Maytag wringer, so maybe they are getting a little closer in their price range.

If you are going on like this I bet there will soon be a museum in Boston. With major and small appliances!

Greetz,

Louis

*****Post# 26425-2/10/2003-16:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: Jamie, you might find a place that has some used automatics kept inside that your mom wouldn't object to. It might be worth asking anyway, and like Peter says, you can then save your shipping money for when a rarer machine comes along. Best wishes with whatever you do, and enjoy!

*****Post# 26428-2/10/2003-18:35 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: Believe it or not, there isn't. The only ones that we have sell machines from the late 80's to the early 90's, BORING!

*****Post# 26429-2/10/2003-20:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie.
You have had some good advice here, ALWAYS find out how much freight will cost before bidding on it. You may easily find that freight costs more than the machine itself. Here are a few strategies that may help you...
Strategy 1: Sit down calmly with your mom and talk through the issue of getting an old machine fom behind a store, or from a roadside junk collection. Some of the best "finds" are obtained this way, almost my whole collection has been for free, or from the recycling centre, which charges AU$15 for any washing machine. (that's about US$7.50) Many of the machines are a bit dirty, you could agree with your mom that anything she considers TOO dirty to go in her car will be left behind, or that she has a final right of veto over any pickup. This at least keeps your options open, more that a total refusal to even consider free sources. Your side of the bargain would be you would promise that IMMEDIATELY the machine arrives home, you put it in the garage or wherever she decides, and thoroughly CLEAN the machine from top to bottom. If you absolutely make it sparkle then she should have no objection. If she is worried about getting her car dirty, you could agree that you would carefully empty any water out of the machine (remove the pump hose), wipe over the machine with an old towel or something similar, and put down a tarpaulin (is that a US word?? someone translate please???) in the car before putting the machine on it. It might help to explain to your Mom that many (possibly most) machines thrown away actually only have trivial faults.
You should do as much as you can to learn how to diagnose faults without needing a power supply. For example, if you turn the belt by hand and hear a loud growling noise as the bowl rotates, the machine needs new bearings and is best left behind.

Strategy 2: With your Mom's permission, go to the second hand appliance stores and have a friendly chat to the owners of the businesses. Explain what you are interested in. Unfortunately because of your age they might not take you seriously, but try to make them understand you are serious about it and have your Mom's permission. Then explain what types of machines you are interested in. They might not SELL the older machines, as you have explained, but almost certainly they will occasionally get them in as trade-ins. Usually they would sell them for scrap to the crusher, you are providing them with an alternative method of disposal. You may be able to get them to repair the machine, or you might have to take it "as is". Sometimes there is nothing wrong with the trade in, it is just being replaced because it is "too old" or some other silly reason. These are the best finds of course.

Remember you don't always have to OWN machines to get fun out of looking at them. If you are allowed to, have a look behind stores at the dead machines there. Look at the differences between brands, if the back panels are off you can look at how the different brands work, too. You don't have to take it home to get pleasure from it.

If/when you do eventually get a machine home, make sure you have a safety switch (ground leakage circuit breaker) and only connect the machine through it. Sometimes due to wire degradation or faults the machine can actually be dangerous. You need to protect yourself from possible faults. We want you to still be around to tell us about your finds!!
Good luck with your search.
I like the look of that Maytag alot Jamie, just be careful you know and can afford the TOTAL cost, not just the purchase cost.
Chris.

*****Post# 26431-2/11/2003-05:22 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (Great Pictures Greg!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for sharing your great collection of machines and small appliances.
I am so impressed how you get these machines all cleaned up, and painted, and running so fast! You are an appliance magnet!
Brent

*****Post# 26432-2/11/2003-05:24 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: new photos (Pretty WP What happend this WP Greg?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
The Whirlpool that you are talking about in your post, did you take it apart? I was so impressed with how nice that machine was when I was looking at your photo albums. The WP in your photo's is the same machine that you took apart? If so Why?
Just curious.
Brent

*****Post# 26433-2/11/2003-05:29 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: POD 2-11-02
MESSAGE: Wow,
This POD brought back memories to me from my youth. I remember this exact ad. I think that I even saved it when I was a kid. I remember it because my mom was thinking about getting a new washer and dryer, and I kept showing her this picture, and how beautiful the GM Frigidaire machines were. She bought a Kenmore set. :(
Brent

*****Post# 26434-2/11/2003-06:14 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: GE Fridge Greg
MESSAGE: Greg: What is in the two bottom drawers of your GE fridge? It looks like they are filled to the brim with black eyed peas or coffee beans????
jon

*****Post# 26435-2/11/2003-06:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: Yes, I can believe that Jamie - I would say the same is true here in CT. also. However, have you gone to any estate sales in your area?? Believe it or not, I have seen quite a few A207 or "207 like" machines at those sales- and they are in working order. Might be worth a look.

That WP washer was a "plaything" in my little washerland for a while. I found the machine at a sale in the neighborhood and then found an older, nicer top that was a little more deluxe from an RCA WP at my Launderall dealer. I switched out the panels and lids to make it a hybrid machine. The panel says "Magic Clean filter" and has a light to indicate when the machine is filtering, but still had the recirculating filter under the lid. I used this machine for a while but it had to go once there was another machine to take it's place. I stripped some parts from it and let it go after my first SD farm trip.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.src=ph&.dnm=Look+who+came+home+today!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst%3f%26.dir=/Whirlpool%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26437-2/11/2003-08:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02
MESSAGE: Me too! I remember the Frigidaire ads well from the 70's. I remember one from that era that had a picture of a control tower 57 washer in a barn that was still working, used to wash horse blankets while their new 1-18 was in the house. Maybe someone out there has a copy, it would be fun to see again.

*****Post# 26439-2/11/2003-09:19 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02 (Would love to see that one.)
MESSAGE: Greg,
That sounds like such a cool ad. I wonder if it was just a story that GM put together, or if it was a real situation. Would love to see that one.
Brent

*****Post# 26441-2/11/2003-13:01 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207
MESSAGE: Jamie! The advice that Chris gave you is really good advice. The best finds are sometimes on the side of the road! It's also very difficult to find really great washers and dryers here in Florida, so I understand your frustration. I would save your money and wait until a Frigidaire comes along, and eventually one will, since that is the machine that you really want anyway. One of the joys of collecting is the anticipation of someday finding exactly what you want and not having to settle with something less. You're young with LOTS of time to collect! So don't give up!!! That Maytag is a lovely machine, but I have a feeling that you would get bored with it fairly quickly even though they are some (mine) collector's favorites. If you have a Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, or other appliance shop that sells new appliances, talk to the sales people in the appliance department, and the delivery people especially, and let them know exactly what you're looking for. (make up a list on a sheet of paper that's not too long that they can keep in their wallet to give to each delivery person) Let them know that you are offering a $50 or $100 Cash reward for the machines on your list. Believe me, they WILL start looking and before you know it, you'll get a call with one of your dream machines from the list. It might cost you another $20 for the delivery, but sometimes they will even drop them off for free. That's when the real fun begins! Take care my friend and best of luck! Mark

*****Post# 26442-2/11/2003-17:01 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: OM of the M
MESSAGE: Loved the stuff. I can still remember "aunt mary" putting the detergent in and filling bleach cup!
Anyway, how did the water level control modify the timer? Was timer two speed? What would happen if you switched in the middle of cycle? I'm guessing that fill was timed as opposed to metered?

*****Post# 26443-2/11/2003-19:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207 (Lowes)
MESSAGE: I always wondered about Lowe's or how they'd feel if I drove behind the store looking for old appliances. Would they turn me away if I did that? Ya never know, I might just find a Kenmore 800 back there.

*****Post# 26444-2/11/2003-19:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A207 (You just have to talk to them.)
MESSAGE: Jason,
If you talk to them, they don't mind. They get to know you. The two Lowes that I go to have the appliances that they pick up behind a locked gate. They don't mind if you find something and take it because they pay for whatever company hauls it off by pound. In many ways, you are doing them a favor.
Here in Atlanta, BFI is the private "garbage" company. They are also very expensive.
Check it out! You might find more than you can handle. And if that is the case, you can always fix it (if there is anything wrong with it) and put it on Ebay!!!
Brent

Happy to hear from you! It would be awesome if you could make the journey up here for the next convention. I still don't know when/where it is...?!

Take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26448-2/11/2003-20:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02
MESSAGE: My God, I had forgotten all about that ad. Now that you mention it Greg, that was a pretty swell one. Yes, I thought that ad would push my parents to get a 1-18 when they went looking for a new washer - you know showing how durable those Frigidaires were. But no such luck.... we ended up with a close to BOL line Kenmore from Sears Scratch and Dent department.............

*****Post# 26449-2/11/2003-20:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02 (memories!)
MESSAGE: Can't you just imagine a whole "suite" of appliances in that color?? I bet that would make for a great "retro" kitchen today!!!!

*****Post# 26450-2/11/2003-21:29 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi to Washerlover
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. It is nice to see more people from the west coast getting into the club. This is a great bunch of people and I hope you enjoy!

*****Post# 26452-2/11/2003-22:56 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02 (Help me here)
MESSAGE: Okay. I give up. What's the kid in the ad fiddling with that's sitting on top of the room A/C? Is it a toaster oven?

*****Post# 26453-2/11/2003-23:28 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02 (It looks like a microwave)
MESSAGE: One of my colleagues inherited one just like it when she bought her house. To say that it's HUGE would be an understatement! She donated it to the office kitchen because she already had a newer (and more importantly) smaller model.

*****Post# 26454-2/12/2003-00:03 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2-11-02 (It looks like a microwave)
MESSAGE: *heeheehee* And in addition to being big, it was probably heavy and had a 220 volt power cord! Some things are better downsized.

*****Post# 26455-2/12/2003-01:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen a Westinghouse washer of this style before? I don't recall seeing a model with the timer in the center, or with the rear-opening lid this one seems to have.

*****Post# 26456-2/12/2003-05:36 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Had the same question as scott
MESSAGE: I have never seen a westinghouse with that type of configuration. and when I was a kid I was every saturday looking at all the new machine in all of the stores in Manchester N.H. We lived right downtown so it was easy to go to all of them. They knew me pretty well so they would let me look and not chase me off. When we went to sears My mother always knew where to find me. that is when they had washers hook up to water and you could watch them wash.

*****Post# 26458-2/12/2003-07:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: This machine was most likely sourced from Easy in the early 60's. I have a parts book that lists models LTC and LCV-27 that were built by Easy. This must have been right before Westinghouse introduced their own top loading washer in 1964/65. Very interesting POD for sure!

*****Post# 26459-2/12/2003-10:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: 1) I've never seen a top loading Westinghouse that even came close to looking like the one in this ad. The Sept. 1966 issue of Consumer Reports noted that in their comments for the tested top loading Westinghouse that the "Brand's top-loading machines were introduced too recently to have a Frequency of Repair Record." (They tested a Westinghouse top-loading model LAF-590, which ranked third in the ratings.) A recent POD featured two kids using a front loading Westy as a sandbox. The ad bragged about the 1964 Laundromat's sand disposal capabilities. Does anyone know when Westinghouse introduced top loaders?

2)The Sept. 1966 issue of Consumer Reports also noted that the low rated tested Hotpoint model LW-680 washer and Easy Model WA-222 washer were essentially similar to one another. The Sept. 1969 issue of Consumer reports noted the the low rated tested Hotpoint model LB880 dryer and Easy model DE544 dryer were essentially similar to one another. The four machine obviously had the same manufacturer. (Easy? Hotpoint? I wonder?)

3) The ad copy for today's POD doesn't indicate the year or the model number. It's possible that it is one of Westinghouse's first top-loaders and that it probably was outsourced. I agree that that agitator looks like an Easy agitator. I wonder who made it? Easy? Hotpoint? Very interesting!

*****Post# 26461-2/12/2003-12:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (I could try scanning and posting them)
MESSAGE: I too enjoy reading old issues of consumer reports. I often read the ones that are on this site. I really need to do something to save both issues. They were my parents and I "borrowed" ;-) them when I was a kid. They're both in very bad shape. The 1966 issue, which reports on both washers and dryers, and has a picture of a GE filter flow and mini-basket on the front cover, is in especially bad shape. It's not long for this world. Scanning them is a great idea. I never posted anything that I've scanned on net so I'm probably going to need lots of cyber-hand holding! Wish me luck.

*****Post# 26462-2/12/2003-12:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (It's an EASY!)
MESSAGE: That Westinghouse design is EXTREMELY rare. Westinghouse outsourced their very first top loader to Easy. Easy made Westy top loaders for 1 or 2 years before Westinghouse had tooled up for top-loader production and started producing their own design. I believe I pulled that ad out of a 1964 magazine.

*****Post# 26464-2/12/2003-14:08 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: SPEAKING OF OLD CONSUMER REPORTS.....
MESSAGE: Has anyone noticed that the picture included in the article in "vintage articles" about 50's dishwasher that is labeled "hotpoint" looks a whole lot like the racks and door of the "kitchenaide"? Our 57 Hotpoint did not look anything like that and it sure didn't wash as well as the KA. Was HP selling rebranded KA's then?

*****Post# 26465-2/12/2003-14:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: I have the '66 issue of CR also, the Westinghouse tested was a true Westinghouse machine, not outsourced as the POD was from Easy. I have a 1964 ad for the Westinghouse top-loading washer as well as the first service books from Westinghouse for that new model. Tested in 1966, CR would have had no survey data on reliability for that washer. It would prove to be rather poor in later years.

The Hotpoint/Easy connection was simply Hotpoint making machines branded with the Easy nameplate after Easy discontinued production - apparently right around the same time.

The POD was an Easy made washer, solid tub with the "Velva-Power" direct drive transmission.

*****Post# 26466-2/12/2003-14:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF OLD CONSUMER REPORTS.....
MESSAGE: Hee hee - just an editing mistake by CR, the Hotpoint would have looked much different as you said.

*****Post# 26467-2/12/2003-15:33 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: Hi Foraloysius, look at this old bauknecht washer It's a 1959 washer It's look like a Constructa that you have in your photo album
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3207368898&category=8419

*****Post# 26468-2/12/2003-16:24 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: found tranny seal......"O" ring seal for Maytag
MESSAGE: well I found a tranny seal and "O" ring seal for my '59 Maytag washer. So that will be something I will be replacing sometime early this spring. The other guy who fixed this machine told me those parts were not available....hmmmm.....I went to a Maytag rep near home today and he had them in stock. He said if you replace these two items and change the oil (using 90 weight gear oil) , I should get another 15 years out of the tranny easily........... I do have some questions on replacing the "O" ring if anyone is knowledgeable in this area, please let me know..........thanks, -gregm

*****Post# 26469-2/12/2003-16:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: I still have no idea if there is any connection between both brands. I have mailed the German Constructa collector. I will post here when I hear from him.

Louis

*****Post# 26470-2/12/2003-17:00 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF OLD CONSUMER REPORTS.....
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing. But the HP was a high ranker?!

*****Post# 26471-2/12/2003-19:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: Mike, does it give any detail as to why the Hotpoint was low-rated? Having seen a few of the Hotpoint machines, I can't imagine why they would receive a low rating. I think they were very nice machines.

*****Post# 26477-2/12/2003-21:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT (How Cool.)
MESSAGE: What a great looking machine.
Looks like it would mean business!
Brent

*****Post# 26478-2/12/2003-21:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (Just like my 62 Velva?? Okay I give up!)
MESSAGE: I'm not really sure Brent, I have never seen ads depicting it. RObert is the one who told me I have a Velva Power machine. BUT he's never actually seen it since its been TEN YEARS since he came out to BOSTON.

The motor is mounted transverse and directly drives the washer. It takes quite awhile for the tub to get up to speed.
My machine is in storage right now but it has the Pop Can timer if you know what that is. The lady of the house could change cycles without ever breaking a nail!!!
jet

*****Post# 26479-2/12/2003-21:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: General Request
MESSAGE: Hi all, since I was un-mercilessly outbid on that beautiful 1958 Hobart DW on ebay I have decided to yank my busted up machine out of storage and repair it.
SO Does anyone have the manuals or part catalogs on the KD-12,I could copy and send right back?? This is virgin territory for me Hobart is a new dimension to me.
Thansk in advance
jon

They didn't have many good things to say about it. They called its washing ability "satisfactory" (by way on contrast the check rated Maytag A-606 was among several tested machines whose washing ability was rated as "somewhat better than that of most other machines"); they had a problem with its sand disposal capabilities; they objected to it's "single relatively long cycle with long (8 min.) spin period"; they didn't like the fact that it didn't have a safety switch to stop the machine if it was opened during the spin cycle; they complained about the fact that some parts of its filtering system were built into the agitator, which required "inconvenient" disassembly and reassembly to clean; they complained that the tub took "about 1 min. to come to a stop" at the end of the cycle; and they complained that its "smooth control knobs" were "slippery to grasp with wet hands".

Mike

*****Post# 26481-2/12/2003-22:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (Unusual Westinghouse Washer! )
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
I hope you are doing well. I had Hotpoint washers growing up.
My father was able to make deals on the purchase via his business. They did wash very well but they were problem oriented machines. And major ones at that also like with the transmission. Their average life span was only about 5 or 6 years! They were awsone style machines. I think the best decision was to change them to the GE style in '74.
Peter

*****Post# 26482-2/12/2003-22:24 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: old westinghouse washer made by easy
MESSAGE: Hi, sorry i haven't said hello sooner. I can tell you something about the old top-loader westinghouse by easy. I believe they were manufactured around 61 or 62. I remember when we got ours in March or April of 62. We moved to Arizona from back east and had left behind a perfectly good norge timeline in the old house. Bought this "easyhouse", lasted 13 years or so. replaced pump(sock got caught in it) once, leveling problem on next move(machin skipped cycles), lint-filter never stayed positioned around agitator, water into machine sprayed across room if lid was up. had no safety switch at all (you could witness all cycles, including spin),other than that it was a fine machine! Possibly the old owners manual for it and a 67 westy electric dryer are still in my mom's belongings. I will send them if i can find them

*****Post# 26485-2/12/2003-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Request
MESSAGE: Well of course - I have factory parts and service books for all Kitchen Aid models up to the 21 series. Let me know what you'd like and I'll make you copies at work - clandestine like!

Jon, have you been holding out on us?? No matter, what fun we'll have!!

I can already feel the sting of the slaps across the midwest!

*****Post# 26487-2/12/2003-23:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: old westinghouse washer made by easy (YAY! More Louisiana people)
MESSAGE: Hi David. I'm in New Orleans and also tcox619 is also in New Orleans. We just recently had a wash-in with his 73 Frigidaire 1-18s and it was fun.

*****Post# 26489-2/12/2003-23:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Everything old is new again.
MESSAGE: It seems the rage is soon becoming making coffee in French Presses or vacuum pots again. Well, I caught the fever and my Bodum vacuum pot is coming in tomorrow. Well, I coulda broke myself in with a vintage Silex or a Cory but after getting a new one and learning how it works then I can start looking for old ones on Ebay to collect and use.

*****Post# 26493-2/13/2003-00:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: It's an interesting machine, but I have no place to put it. I love the styling. But alas. I will have to do the bluing in my Miele on my next load of whites.

Louis

*****Post# 26494-2/13/2003-00:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: What a wonderful machine! So very fliexible. From what year is this machine? This is the first machine I've seen with a timer for the soak, were there others?

*****Post# 26496-2/13/2003-05:47 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint Lady Executive (Soak timers)
MESSAGE: Wow!
What a great looking machine.
I have never seen a top loader with so many wash and rinse options, not to mention the soak times.
Does anyone in the club have this machine, or one similar?
Just the sound of the water coming up from the bottom of the agitator and flowing into the filter sounds exciting!
Brent

*****Post# 26497-2/13/2003-05:49 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (Just like my 62 Velva?? Okay I give up! Pop can timer?)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information Jon.
No, can't say that I know what a pop-can timer is or was.
The only think that I can think of is that you had a little lever that you could pop out, and work the timer adjustments with one finger.
Am I close?
Brent

*****Post# 26498-2/13/2003-06:40 ||| jmattero (PA)
SUBJECT: 1950's Caloric Gas Range Stove in great shape
MESSAGE: Hello:
I have bought a home from an elderly couple, and am installing a new kitchen. In the home is a White - 1953 (I think) Caloric gas range which is in excellent shape, and works perfectly.

The stove is 36" wide, with 4 burners on the top left, and a "countertop" type area on the top right. The oven/broiler is on the right, and there is storage on the left. There are two minor problems with this stove, the timer knob (on the "backsplash" area) has the numbers worn off, and the oven knob is cracked. Both knobs, however, work fine.

In any case, is there anyone here interested in buying this (cheaply)? If not, could you direct me to someone who might be interested?

Thanks.

*****Post# 26499-2/13/2003-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everything old is new again.
MESSAGE: How fun - I don't drink much coffee, but vacuum pots are some of my favorite small appliances. Sunbeam vacuum pots are easy to find and their reputation is renowned for good coffee making. Another advantage to these is that they are smaller to collect than washers!

*****Post# 26500-2/13/2003-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: This is a beautiful washer style - that spare bedroom can't be full already! ;-)

I had a dream the other night of six washers hooked up and running in my garage - I hope that it wasn't a sign!

*****Post# 26503-2/13/2003-09:09 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint Lady Executive (1972-1974 Line)
MESSAGE: For the first time I'm in LOVE. What a cool washer! I would love to see the "fountain filter" work. If anyone can give us more info, it sure would be great!!!

I know what you mean. Quite an exciting machine. And yes, the sound of the water going thru the filter is exciting -- probably sounds similar to Norge machines with the same type of filter. Amazing technology!

*****Post# 26506-2/13/2003-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, was "bluing" ever a common item used in doing laundry in Europe?

*****Post# 26507-2/13/2003-12:54 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale
MESSAGE: There is a very old solid tub GE Filterflo washer at an estate sale at 3725 24th Ave S. The sale is Thursday and Friday in South Mpls. I didn't see a price on it, I don't think they believe anyone might be interested. It is down the basement with a bunch of glasses sitting on it. All of you hearty Minnesotans-Check it out!!

*****Post# 26509-2/13/2003-14:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: I saw this post Don and darted out to 24th Avenue South over my lunch hour. They just sold me the washer. It's a georgous 1956 GE in beautiful condition with the turquoise controls and copper trim. Even the turquoise filter mount is in nice shape, it doesn't appear to be used very much. The black speckeled wash-tub is also in MINT condition.

Also there was a beautiful round screen 1949 Airline Television Set which I promply bought too!

Thanks for tipping us off Don, they both would have gone to the crusher otherwise.

*****Post# 26510-2/13/2003-15:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: That's wonderful news Robert. That is such a nice design. Was the fabled copper filter pan still there with it as well? Was there a wringer there also? In all events enjoy the new washer and TV!

The POD is just beautifull!. A neighbor accross the street had one of these and I had the chance to actually use it when one of the daughters was doing wash. It was a neat machine with the solid basket and agitator lint filter. The tub was a beautifull white. If I remember correctly it was a very quiet machine. And of course the spin with the water flowing out the top of the tub. I'm getting chills now. Time to hook up my 66' Frigidaire for solid tub fun. What memories this POD brings back!

*****Post# 26514-2/13/2003-15:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT
MESSAGE: I didn't have that kind of dreams about my spare bedroom yet!!

BTW, I think that washer needs 380V, and my spare bedroom doesn't have that (yet).

Louis

*****Post# 26515-2/13/2003-15:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT (Bluing)
MESSAGE: Yes Your Majesty, overhere in the Netherlands bluing used to be quite common. Mostly Reckit blue was used which was called "Poppetje blauw" in the past which means something like Little Doll bluing. Our Boston member and we are exchanging detergent now and then and in the last box we got a bottle of Mrs Stewart's

QLOTOC

*****Post# 26516-2/13/2003-15:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Unusual Westinghouse Washer (Somebody mentioned convention???)
MESSAGE: And I can already see the look on Jon's face... Now wait a minute, wasn't there a picture......

*****Post# 26517-2/13/2003-15:57 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: Robert, congradulations! I can't wait to see pics. I bet the 56 has the turqoise agitator top like my old 55 did. The timer dial probably illuminates like my 55 and your 58 as well. Let us know how he does once you hook him up! And please post pics soon!

I'm afraid I'm the culprit that started the convention discussion. Is it for sure in Boston? When? I'm new to this website and would love details!

Thanks,

Todd

*****Post# 26519-2/13/2003-18:30 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everything old is new again. (Bodium Coffee)
MESSAGE: I had that pot for a while, I found a new one at the Salvation Army in Mpls-for $3.00-still in the box. The coffee was great, especially since I drink European coffee. It broke several months after I had it, I loved it, but it was fragile. I was always worried I would leave it on the stove with the burner on and forget it, not used to having to tend to a stove top coffee maker! Enjoy! Don

*****Post# 26520-2/13/2003-18:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everything old is new again. (Bodium Coffee)
MESSAGE: It makes absolutely incredible coffee. It doesn't taste oily or burnt like on a drip pot, and I notice I can use alot less grounds to make the coffee.

Not only that, IT'S FUN. It's like brewing a potion.

*****Post# 26521-2/13/2003-18:50 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! Congrats Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert that is so cool.
I was talking with someone today about that exact machine. I then come home to read that you found one. ESP?
Congrats on your Airline Television also. That sounds very very rare.
Brent

I was cleaning out cabinets in the kitchen last night and found a Knapp-Monarch waffle iron that I bought ages ago and had forgotten about, still in the bag from a sale. It was fun finding it, but I fear it might also be a tangible symptom too...

*****Post# 26524-2/13/2003-19:19 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: YEAH! I am so glad Robert! I thought of you when I saw the tv upstairs. I did not see a filter for the washer, did you find one? You and a few others have been so good to me since I joined, I am really glad to be the messenger for you to get this machine! I will look forward to seeing the machine again, this time in your basement. Don

*****Post# 26529-2/13/2003-21:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint Lady Executive (My favorite color!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
No this is a real Hotpoint - they made them until 1974.
I hope you are doing well
I know someone that had a simular model but it wasn't TOL like this one.
Peter

They were symbols of good luck, long before they were adopted by the National Socialist movement in Germany. More on the history of the swastika before the 20th century at link
LINK: http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/

*****Post# 26531-2/13/2003-21:21 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! (five more finds for me))
MESSAGE: Congrads Robert, sounds great, I cannot wait to see pics, well my recent finds don't sound as wonderful as that but I was so psyched to find not one, not two, but three 1/18's this week, an old Norge dryer with this big lift up thing on the right?? and an old I would say early sixties, possibly late fifties Kenmore washer. I pick them up Saturday..........NOW i am REALLY out of room. I also talked to this same guy that I found this stuff with about warehousing and we are going to work something out. He is an hour away from me but I have a good gut feeling the price will be right. Take Care !! - GregM

*****Post# 26532-2/13/2003-21:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: YAY, thanks Don and everyone else. I will post pictures on Saturday afternoon after I pick the machine up. Unfortunately the stairs are so narrow that the Escalara is not an option here so Neal has offered to help me carry that monster up those stairs.

I was able to put the TV in my Jeep so here is a picture of it. Its a 1949 Airline Television which was Montgomery Wards store brand for their electronics, like Silvertone was the Sears brand name for their electronics. Here is a picture of it...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/AirlineTV.jpg

*****Post# 26534-2/13/2003-21:44 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! (five more finds for me)thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks alot.......I cannot believe it.......... I literally stopped to see a guy near home this morning and he said "those damn old Frigidaires, what a nightmare to work on, haven't seen one for over ten years" ..............then sure enough a buddy of mine hooked me up with his friend who had two and I found one in VT last weekend...........

*****Post# 26535-2/13/2003-22:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! (five more finds for me))
MESSAGE: Greg, you are incredible. You may end up with as many, if not more 1-18s than Steve B. That big lift up thing on the Norge dryer, I hope you mean a lift up door, is access to light the pilot light. If not, I gotta see pics. You know me and those old Norge dryers from my childhood. And, can't wait to see a pic of the Kenmore washer too. Bob

*****Post# 26537-2/14/2003-04:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.
That TV is gorgeous!!!
We got TV here in 1956 so I have never seen a TV like that before. Does the picture follow the curvature of the sides, or does it show a rectangular picture with blank bits at the sides? If round, were the signals broadcast in that same shape or did the TV receiver cut off the corners?
Thanks.
Chris.

*****Post# 26538-2/14/2003-05:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Look at this OLD BAUKNECHT (Bluing)
MESSAGE: We also have a brand here in Connecticut and the Midddle Atlantic area called Bluette, manufactured by the Walco - Link Company of Clifton New Jersey. It comes in somewhat of a larger bottle than Mrs. Stewart's and is thicker and more concentrated. Directions instruct you to mix with warm water before adding to the final rinse. Sells for $1.49 - $1.69US for a little more than a pint. We also used to have a powder called Blu White, Little Boy Blue Liquid, Bonnie Blue Liquid (with picture of a little Scottish girl on the label and long ago something called Bleachette Bluing. This was basically solid chunks of bluing wrapped in cheesecloth and sold in a foil covered toilet paper roll - 2 to a package. You had to dip the cheesecloth covered bag in a container of warm water until the desired shade was obtained. Worked well, but you could always count on blue hands for a while!

*****Post# 26540-2/14/2003-06:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! (five more finds for me)thnx)
MESSAGE: Well, Greg - those are great finds. Truthfully, I am amazed at the number of 1-18's you found. I have been courting every used appliance dealer in my area to no avail. They simply do not have any interest in anything other than mid 80's Maytags, plastic GE's and 80's - 90's Whirlpool/Kenmores.

Curious about the Vermont washer - was that an estate sale or a dealer and did you find any interesting colors?? Finally, were these in working condition and how were they cosmetically?

Congratulations on all of them - now time to start thinking of building that addition on the house............

*****Post# 26542-2/14/2003-06:41 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It! (five more finds for me)thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks "angus", I obviously got lucky, but I have been asking anyone and everyone for these machines specifically and offering to buy them as well. The 1/18 in VT I found outside of a dumpster with a couple other things in a residential neighborhood. The jetcone inside is very beat up and chipped, and will need to be replaced, there is a missing knob, but the tub is mint. All machines that I have found are white and seem to be in remarkably good condition cosmetically. The two 1/18's that I found yesterday are in great shape and seem to be identical. Pics will come probably in 2-3 weeks. I am literally out of room now. I have an old avocado whirlpool on ebay and an old 1970 built-in Kitchen Aid on ebay as well to try and make a bit more room. If they do not sell, I will post an offer in the club, otherwise they will get trashed.

*****Post# 26543-2/14/2003-07:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, no the tv doesn't work. You have a much better chance of a vintage washer working than a vintage TV. Vintage TV's have capacitors that get dried out from sitting idle for many years. I'm currently working on my '51 Zenith TV and I will restore this new Airline TV sometime later on in the year. Its quite the process to replace all the tubes and capacitors, then troubleshoot other components. I've been working on the Zenith for three months now.

Chris, the picture fills the entire viewing area of the screen, the broadcast signal is exactly the same today as it was in 1949 (with the exception of digital information placed in the blanking bar) but the far edges of the picture are cut off. 1950's and 1960's Vintage TV shows never had horizontal scrolling text along the bottom of the screen like we see on CNN because the recievers of the time would cut some of it off as they weren't designed for this.

Is the Bluette even more concentrated? I thought the Mrs. Stewart's is already a very high concentration. You just have to use a few drops or up to 1/4 teaspoon and dilute that in a quart or more of cold water. BTW, this is an 8 fl. oz. bottle.

For the people who don't know the Mrs. Stewart's I attached the link to her website. It's real fun website: Do not be concerned with "suds levels".

Louis
LINK: http://www.mrsstewart.com/

*****Post# 26545-2/14/2003-11:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE 1-18's
MESSAGE: Hi All! Just want to wish everyone a very happy Valentine's Day!!! Got my Frigidaire 1-18's yesterday and WOW!!! They look to have been never used! The paint is perfect. No pitting on the controls (big problem here in Florida with all the salt in the air) everything just really perfect. Talked to Bruce that sold them to me, and he relayed that they did run them once a month to keep them in working order. Can't wait to get the room to unpack them and hook them up!!! Mark

*****Post# 26546-2/14/2003-12:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: That's right! We so brag about our new home theater systems have a superior picture and all that but we fail to realize that the NTSC standard is 1930s technology.

Of course we have Sony WEGA TVs that have a great picture (besides HDTV) but that same picture can be fed to a 1949 Airline and you can watch it.

Ain't that cool. Watching a DVD on a vintage TV.

*****Post# 26547-2/14/2003-14:58 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE 1-18's (congrads)
MESSAGE: thats great Mark, best wishes........its one thing to find a vintage appliance that you like, its another to find it MINT and working too..........take care.......-gregm

*****Post# 26548-2/14/2003-15:00 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: wow, that would be very cool, I didn;t know that.......watching a DVD on an old TV, talk about bringing you back in time..............

*****Post# 26551-2/14/2003-15:52 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay!
MESSAGE: Yeah, I looked at these and if you notice the water level switch it has the picture of the Westinghouse agitator. These must have come out not long after they took over Frigidaire.

*****Post# 26552-2/14/2003-16:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay!
MESSAGE: DO NOT BE DUPED!!! This is a Westinghouse washer in disguise!!! They used the old "GM like" controls for I think about two years. Inside though, they were the Westinghouse machines. They also used these controls on the front loaders! Mark

*****Post# 26555-2/14/2003-17:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE 1-18's
MESSAGE: Congrats Mark - even the picture on ebay looked like they were in nice shape, glad they arrived that way too!

*****Post# 26556-2/14/2003-17:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: They kept the same general design from 1981 - 1987 until they changed to the plain control panel. Sad thing was they said it washed just as well as the 1/18!!!!!!
So Sad
Peter

*****Post# 26557-2/14/2003-18:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: That's right Glenn, I play DVD's of vintage tv shows on my restored TV's by using a RF (Radio Frequency) Modulator, which you can buy at Radio Shack.

Here are two pictures, first the Vintage Zenith I'm working on and its chassis and second how the picture looked as I progressed through the capacitor replacement (the recap as vintage TV collectors call it).

By the way, as seen in the picture above the "Giant Circle" Zenith has a picture switch to switch the viewing picture between full circle and standard view mode. In full circle the horizontal gets stretched a bit and you loose a bit of the edge, but Zenith claimed that the most important part of the picture was in the center anyway!

After nearly mastering vintage washer restoration its been a fun new challenge the learn to restore vintage radios and televisions.

*****Post# 26558-2/14/2003-18:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Dream Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, no even if it does work, it probably wont work for long. I guess my dream vintage television to find would be a 1954 RCA CT-100 or 1954 Motorola or 1954 Westinghouse. These were the very first color television sets ever produced. Unfortunately they go for $1000's because they are so very rare.
LINK: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/rose_parade.html

*****Post# 26559-2/14/2003-19:48 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: Uni, How Cool was That!! Please keep us up to date on progress. Looking at those pix I was suddenly 4yrs old again! Our Zenith Combo with HIFI sound (record player) lasted until 1963. The pix tube imploded right after my Aunt Olga walked by it with her hair in curlers. My father did not miss the obvious opportunity to draw a parallel between the two events. The explosion blew the knobs off the side and imbedded glass in the far wall. That was the start of COLOR in our house. My brother and I would delite in having dad on the roof yelling "is this better? (clearer)" as he screwed with the antenna. We of course could keep him up there for a least an hour yelling "almost, wait go back"

*****Post# 26560-2/14/2003-19:50 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for the pictures.
Looks like you have been having a great time.
You are so talented!
Brent

*****Post# 26561-2/14/2003-19:52 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Dream Vintage Television (would you trade?))
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for that interesting link! The history was so cool.
The televisions that are shown are so beautiful!
Now if I found one of those for you, what appliance would you be willing to part with and 'trade' for one?
Just kidding!
Brent

*****Post# 26562-2/14/2003-20:10 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: Vintage TV Stuff
MESSAGE: Hey does anyone else have memories of going down to the local drugstore to test TV tubes? My Dad and I would pull the suspect tubes out of the malfunctioning TV (or the RCA console stereo for that matter), drive down to Telander's Rex-All drug, and use the tube testing machine to figure out which one had died. He let me do the whole procedure. Ah kids these days, they don't know what they're missing!

Jim

*****Post# 26563-2/14/2003-20:58 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage TV Stuff (I remember Jim!)
MESSAGE: I remember that also. Drug stores, and some hardware stores had them in New Orleans. Not long ago, I saw one of those stations in a Goodwill here in Atlanta. I would have bought it, but it was not complete.
I also remember that some of the older smaller stores were kind enough to leave the testing stations up in use as long as you could get the tubs. Lot's of older people wanted to hold on to their tubed sets. Good for them! I remember Zenith testing stations, RCA, and Admiral testing stations. Those testing stations were very high tech for the period. I bet that TV techs that were self employeed hated them!
Brent

*****Post# 26565-2/14/2003-21:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: Jason:
I have noticed on my new WEGA TV that the larger picture tube plus the digital design has made the TV alittle ahead of the broadcast curve. It really points out bad broadcasting and poor reception in my area. I see more snow and/or sometimes superior picture from ad to ad and TV show to TV show. This difference in broadcast capability between networks and even shows on the SAME network is not nearly as noticable on my 13 year old SONY TV. Any one else have a similar experience with the new TV's?? IT seems to be it will take some time before the broadcasters and commercial studios catchup to the new digital HDTV standards.
jet

*****Post# 26566-2/14/2003-21:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage TV Stuff (yes!!)
MESSAGE: Yes Jim I used to do that frequently with our 1967 RCA color set. It was always blowing the same tube and Two Guys had a tube tester you could use and the replacements were right under the machine. You just pulled out a new tube and took them to the check out counter.
I was very surprised to find my new Sony weighs in at 200 pounds!! I expected TV to keep getting lighter not heavier like the sets Robert works on!! Atleast no one will ever steal this set--not at 200 pounds!! HAHAHAH
jet

*****Post# 26567-2/14/2003-22:21 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage TV Stuff (Two Guys!)
MESSAGE: You bet I remember going, with my Dad, to the Two Guys on 16th St and Hudson (now JFK) Blvd. in North Bergen, NJ to test tubes, both for our television, and for our stereo. He and my uncle also used to go there to test tubes for my grandmother's television. When Two Guys closed, it became harder and harder for Dad to find a tube tester. It eventually became next to impossible to find tubes. The televisions eventually died and he would up replacing his stereo with one that didn't require tubes. I was pleasantly surprised, during a recent trip to J&R Music World in Manhattan, to see that they're selling at least one stereo system that requires tubes. I couldn't help but wonder "Where would you go to test the tubes?"

*****Post# 26568-2/14/2003-22:23 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE 1-18's (I-18's)
MESSAGE: Congrats. What a wonderful find. Are they Poppy? Never mind, in any color those 1-18's are among my favorite machines!

*****Post# 26570-2/14/2003-22:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Maytag photos
MESSAGE: That's great Greg! So glad you got that machine! I didn't realize the tub light feature went that far back. I know it lasted at least into the 70s on the TOL models. I wonder if yours was the TOL model in 1959?

*****Post# 26571-2/14/2003-23:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: I bought a 42" plasma panel last September, and it brings out flaws even more. I'm on regular cable for broadcast viewing (which I do very little anyway), and the quality is generally quite good, but if the signal goes wonky for a bit on a particular channel . . . eeek! DVDs, however, are great!

*****Post# 26574-2/15/2003-00:09 ||| korpben2000 (warren,pa)
SUBJECT: just making a statement
MESSAGE: i think older washers rule,because there cool to watch when they wash and spin and so on.todays washers are ok but there's nothing like older washers

Well, it's an electronics shop, with a couple of old tube testers, but I've had to use it from time to time when I restore an old radio. Last time I got tubes (about four years ago) most of them were made in Russia.

*****Post# 26579-2/15/2003-09:32 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: Nice televisions. It takes a brave man to change all those capacititors!! How are you making out with the Zenith's Cobra record changer?

Ken D.

*****Post# 26580-2/15/2003-11:55 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert! If you need parts for the record changer, I have that model cobra changer if you want it. The red plastic that the speeds etc. is broken, but the mechanical parts are fine. When I re-did my Zenith, I put in a later style cobra changer so I could change the cartridge and get even better sound. I may have a few cartridges that fit that tone arm also if you need those. Looks like a fantastic project!!! Mark

*****Post# 26583-2/15/2003-12:05 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (TV signals)
MESSAGE: Robert where will you go in town to test the tubes for your new TV and get parts for the stereo? The Needle Doctor near the U?

*****Post# 26584-2/15/2003-13:12 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: just making a statement (I agree)
MESSAGE: I am sure I speak for many when I say "I/we agree"........the vintage/older washers were made much better and were very cool, which is fortunately why we have this site........

*****Post# 26585-2/15/2003-17:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Solid tub Filterflo at Mpls Estate Sale (Newsflash - Got It!)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, thanks. I have finished restoring the Radio and Cobramatic record changer. It took two Cobra's to make one good one, I found another one Ebay.

As for the television, all caps are replaced, I just have one pesky little issue left in the AGC circuit which I can't seem to figure out. I'm probably going to have to turn to the guys on rec.phono.radio for advice if I can't figure it out soon.

Well it took three of us to lift the monster up those thin, rickety stairs but we made it and the machine is home safe and sound. Here are its first pictures...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/GE56.jpg

*****Post# 26590-2/15/2003-18:02 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (wow)
MESSAGE: Robert, that is so cool, boy, you really find the gems......good for you.........does it work ?? What does the "water saver" button mean/do??......best of luck with it...

I see the 52 Frigidaire set in the background - did they come back in good shape? I wonder what Julia Robert's fingerprints would go for on Ebay??

*****Post# 26592-2/15/2003-18:39 ||| korpben2000 (warren,pa)
SUBJECT: just making a statement
MESSAGE: yes i'am very glad that this website exist because we can look at all the vintage washers and the videos of the good ol days of washing machines and if any one would like to chat my yahoo messenger is korpben_dallas2001 hope to hear from you.

*****Post# 26594-2/15/2003-19:09 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: The dead giveaway for an ersatz 1-18 photograph is the water level indicator, if it shows a jetcone, it's real, if it shows an agitator graphic, it is White/Westinghouse imbred trash.

*****Post# 26595-2/15/2003-19:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home ('56 General Electric )
MESSAGE: Robert
This GE is a real Gem
I Love the TV also
Best of Luck
Peter

*****Post# 26596-2/15/2003-20:59 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home ('56 General Electric )
MESSAGE: Awesome looking machine Robert, I would like to see that agitator do the twist!

*****Post# 26600-2/15/2003-22:01 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: Another dead giveaway (which I noticed right off the bat) is the lid. The real GM thing had a rectangular lid. A WCI "Fraud-gidaire" lid is convex at the top and bottom, like that of Westinghouse from the same era. The TOL models even had windows in those Westy-style lids!

Pee-yoo!

*****Post# 26601-2/15/2003-22:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: Strange I never remember those horrible WCI "Fraud-gidaire's ever having a window! I only remember saying please don't let this be real and hoping I would wake up from the horrible nightmare.
Peter

*****Post# 26603-2/15/2003-23:03 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: I also only remember they had white plastic tubs, I am surprised this one had a porclein tub?
Peter

That's a very pretty machine. Actually I think this one deserves a matching dryer! BTW, I know one of the Bostonian members is very jealous.....

Louis

*****Post# 26605-2/16/2003-03:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Julia Roberts movie)
MESSAGE: I forgot about that movie. I would love to see that movie, especially with my friends so I can tell them that I touched that same washer as Julia is using. Does somebody already know what the title of that movie is going to be?

Louis

*****Post# 26606-2/16/2003-07:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers
MESSAGE: I just realized I have a huge interest in vintage dishwashers esp. top loaders. Can anyone send me any info or pic's of these machines. I can not get enough . I will hopefully purchase one for a breakfast bar I am building im my kitchen. Not sure what was ever made sooooo not sure which kind to even dream about. Kitchen Aid electra I have never seen., Youngstown have never seen .... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Michael

*****Post# 26607-2/16/2003-07:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Julia Roberts movie)
MESSAGE: I believe the title is something like "Mona Lisa Smile". Don't know when it will be released though.....

*****Post# 26608-2/16/2003-07:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers
MESSAGE: Mike, always keep an eye out on eBay, for these machine will show up from time to time! I wish you the best of luck and there are some members that will direct you to their photo albums.

Larry

*****Post# 26609-2/16/2003-07:20 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Julia Roberts movie)
MESSAGE: I will be released later on this year......
LINK: http://movies.go.com/movies/M/monalisasmile_2003/

*****Post# 26610-2/16/2003-08:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (1956 GE----- Boy!!)
MESSAGE: Boy, Robert does that ever bring back a feeling of home!!
All the Saturday mornings all my friends would come over to get me to play and they all knew to come down to the basement to fetch me because I was watching a wash go thru our '56 GE.

I forgot it says "FilterFLo" on the front!! Nancy Smith had a 1953 GE and she was the first person to get a dryer in our neighborhood!! She got the match to our machine. Our green dial light had been out so long that I had forgotten the machine had a light until I saw her dryer running.

My first bike had copper trim, it reminded me of the washer!!
We still had the washer but it was as if I was driving around the neighborhood in a washing machine.

My friends noticed that our machine had the fastest spin in the neighborhood--well everybody else had a Whirlpool or Kenmore. Of course it did.
That is the machine that took off in spin one day and was headed right across the floor shimmying on all four legs headed right for the furnace, I screamed for my mother and she tore down the stairs and forgetting completely about the "OFF" button she YANKED the cord out of the ceiling lightbulb just before it was about to slam into the furnace. High Drama was that machine.

I had noticed the spin spray on the Dougie Cusano's Whirlpool so that was something new to me. I went home and on the next spin of the 56 GE I placed the drain hose into the tub!! TALK ABOUT SPIN SPRAY!!!

We should have never thrown that machine out!

I am glad you have such a beautiful example, that machine left us alot of early memories.........

*****Post# 26612-2/16/2003-09:43 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: 56 & 55 GE's
MESSAGE: Great machine, Robert. My old 55 had the same agitator except on the 55 the agitator cap was aqua instead of black. And it had two separate cycles. Normal in black letters with up to 15 min wash and a short cycle in red letters with a 3 min wash time.

Let us know how she runs.

*****Post# 26613-2/16/2003-09:50 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (GE water saver button)
MESSAGE: I can answer this question because my old 55 GE also had this feature. On the old GE's rather than having separate water level settings, if you wanted to wash a small load you waited till the tub had reached the desired amount of water then you pushed this button and it would start the agitation. The only problem is the filter flo function would not work on small loads because, since these machines have solid tubs, the water didn't pour over into the outer tub to recirculate thru the filter flo system. The machine instructions recommended not to run the machine with the water level any lower than the small ring-like notch on the agitator which you can see in Robert's pic of his new 56. It's a ring about 3/4 of the way up the activator post.

*****Post# 26615-2/16/2003-10:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! (White Frigidaire 1-18 Pair up on ebay! )
MESSAGE: Also, the lid is a giveaway on the Ebay one. The lid is the one Westinghouse used on their toploaders for years. There are some other differences in the cabinet, and the dryer doors are somewhat different too.

*****Post# 26616-2/16/2003-12:13 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Washing Machine Wonderland, Here I Come!
MESSAGE: Look what I found! It is in Kalamazoo, MI! Only 1 hour and 47 minutes away from me!You can see in the pic, on the left there are a lot of stoves then on that same side there is a whole row of washers and dryers! I hope to purchase at least a washer! My mom says that I can get one if I can pay for it! She wants to get a dryer to go with it if anything, so she might purchase that for me! They will deliver into your home! (I called and asked) This has got to be one of the best things that has ever happened to me! Well, the Convention and finding this sight are beyond better, but, my own washer and dryer set, full size! This is the best thing ever! I am going on Monday or Tuesday, (this coming) because there is no school! My mom is letting get these for my good report card! You never no, I might find a 1-18 set! Or maybe a Mini-Basket, maybe a Maytag set!, What ever I get, I want in a wild cool color, I am mostly looking for Avacado though. I am sooooooooo excited! Geeze, I think that this is the longest post that I have ever written!, Better print it. :-) :-) :-)
LINK: http://www.tedsappliance.com/showroom.html

*****Post# 26617-2/16/2003-14:07 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing Machine Wonderland, Here I Come!
MESSAGE: What a GREAT find! It looks too good to be true. Be sure to ask them about repairs. It would be a shame if you spent a lot of money only to find out that it doesn't work when you get it home! Wouldn't it be great if you could find an I-18 in Avocado or Poppy? (My parents had a 1971/1972 vintage Frigidaire refrigerator in Avocado. It's one of my favorite colors too.!) You might even get lucky enough to find an GE Filter Flo or Maytag from the 1960's in turquoise, which is another favorite color of mine.

*****Post# 26619-2/16/2003-15:00 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers (Top Loading Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My parents have a top loading "vari-cycle" Kitchen Aid that was purchased new in 1969. It's a great machine. Since they live alone and no longer entertain, they only use it when the grandchildren come to visit. The timer dial sticks and has to be advanced by hand in order to advance to the rinse cycle, but other than it still gets the job done well. The device that attaches the hoses to the faucet has had to be replaced a couple of times. Every time it fails, its always in the middle of a cycle, and hot water sprays all over the kitchen. It has a fine mesh filter that has to be cleaned periodically. When my two siblings and I lived at home, the filter had to be cleaned once or twice a month. It can be messy job, especially if you let it go to long between cleanings. The top rack is attached to the lid and raises automatically when you open the machine. It has three cycles "normal", "utility utensil" and "rinse and hold". It has a single wash arm that's best described as "x-shaped". The "utility utensil" cycle is the pots and pans cycle. You can't use the top rack when you wash pots and pans in the bottom rack because they block most of the spray. The wash action of the "utility utensil" cycle is more vigorous (sp?) then on the normal cycle. The heating element for the dryer is located at the bottom of the tub, under the wash arm and doesn't turn on during the "utility utensil" cycle. There is a blower that operates during the drying cycle. Unless you manually advance it, and before it started sticking, the timer dial continued to advance to "off" at the end of the rinse and hold and "utility utensil" cycles. They still have the manual. I can add that to the list of things that I can try to scan and post here. It's a very noisy machine. You can't help but notice when it's running.

*****Post# 26620-2/16/2003-16:19 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers (Top Loading Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: To both Mikes, I too love the old DW, especially the TOP-LOAD and better yet, the portables.......... a late fifties.......early sixties Kitchen Aid is one of my dream machines........... The 1970 Whirlpool that I have does a great job, even with burnt on, stuck on stuff, no rinsing needed. The GE Mobile Maid needs pre-rinsing, and very HOT water to do a thorough job, whereas it has an impeller (looks like a fan blade) in the bottom instead of a spray arm. Both are clearly noisy. The GE machine needs some work, but I have consulted with some very helpful people in my area and plan on redoing the interior, along with replacing the fill and drain hoses.......

My parents' KitchenAid top loader replaced a 1959 LK top loader that had an impeller.The impeller had to keep be replaced. I'm guessing that it kept being damaged by the occasional piece of stray silverware getting caught, at the right angle, between the impeller and the bottom rack. Dishes had to be rinsed before loading. The top rack had two sections, which moved on rollers along a track. You had to remove one section, and move the remaining section along the track, in order to gain access to the bottom rack. The tines on the botton rack were set up such that the plates, etc. were loaded in a cicular fashion around the impeller. The silverware basket, which mom still has, didn't hold very much and was located at the center of the circle.

My parents got a dishwasher before they got a washer. (The washer, a Maytag, didn't arrive until 1961.) Mom said that there was a laundromat around the corner from our apartment. My younger brother was still in diapers at the time that we got the dishwasher. Go figure!

Mike

*****Post# 26622-2/16/2003-20:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Top Loading Portable Dryer
MESSAGE: My mom is very anti-dryer. She still doesn't own one. She uses a clothesline.

One of my aunts was the first person that I knew who had a "real" dryer. (you'll see why I use the term "real" later on in this post.) Mom and her other sisters (all of whom now own dryers -- mom is the last hold out) used to make fun of it. They used to say things like "it wrinkles clothes", "it shrinks everything", "clothes don't smell as nice", etc., etc. Mom still feels that way. She's 78 and VERY set in her ways!

In spite of her objections, mom did own a VERY unusual portable dryer for a very brief period in her life. She used it on rainy days, mostly to dry diapers. She actually got the dryer before she got a dishwasher or a washer. (She got a dishwasher before she got a washer!) She used to use the laundromat around the corner from our apartment. (She had three kids under the age of six at the time!) The laundromat had sixteen washers and four dryers. There used to be a very long line for the dryers on rainy days. Until she got a washer (a 1961 Maytag), she used to bring the wet laundry home and hang it out to dry.

As I said before, mom did own a very unusual dryer at one time. It was portable and loaded from the top. It was electric and plugged into a regular outlet. It had a fan and an heating element at the bottom of the cabinet. The fan and heating element were covered by a screen. You used to put one or two items of wet laundry (folded to fit if necessary) on the screen. The rest of the wet laundry was draped over or around a removable u-shaped rack that was located on the back wall of the dryer. There also was an unmarked timer dial, above the rack, on the inside of the dryer. The fan used to force the lid to open (only by a couple of inches) and close (that's how it vented! Mom used to put it in front of an open window) when the dryer was used. You could hear the thud of the closing lid more or less continuously. Talk about noise! I seem to recall that it was very heavy. I have no idea what held the clothes in place during a drying cycle. The fan created enough wind to open the the very heavy lid so you would think that the laundry would have gone flying all over the place! I don't remember that being a problem. Mom hates dryers so much that she gave it to a neighbor (who had twin daughters in diapers) as soon as my sister was toilet trained. My parents eventually bought a house and I never saw the dryer or the neighbor again.

I've never seen a similar dryer anywhere. I have no idea who made it. (I was probably about seven when she gave it away.) I assume that it's very rare. Has anyone ever seem something like this or have any idea who the manufacturer was?

Thanks!

Mike

*****Post# 26623-2/17/2003-01:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home
MESSAGE: Oh ROBERT!!! such memories. The GE washer that replaced the Bendix (to keep me out of the washer) looked exactly like this, but with a couple of differences. It didn't have filter-flo. And it didn't have filter-flo on the front chrome strip. There was a little light behind the timer dial (rather than the red pointer only) that illuminated the cycle selection. Also, our instruction lid said 8-9 lbs. of clothes. I do not remember it stating 10 pounds anywhere. I still vividly remember the smell of the turqaoise "automatic Washer" logo on the front chrome strip. It had a very pleasant, calmin smell (maybe too much Rinso Blue). I wish someone could pinpoint whether my machine was a 55 or 56 model.

*****Post# 26624-2/17/2003-01:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home
MESSAGE: Luigi, I think someone around here did have the matching dryer and sent it to the krusher. Also, there's a former Houstonian member here that's very jealous of this early childhood washer (sans the filter-flo). I think this one will need a hug next time I'm in Minnie.

*****Post# 26625-2/17/2003-01:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (1956 GE----- Boy!!)
MESSAGE: Jon, thanks for affirming my memory of the green dial light. Our's too burned out over time. Then in 1962 or 1963 the machine needed some tinkering with it for some reason and my dad got another bulb to put in it, much to my surprise and delight, because it had burned out before my intense consciousness of it. Oh yes, Drama. I remember washing bathmat and throw rugs in there. What a lot of sloshing and swaing around of water in the tub during "activation".

*****Post# 26627-2/17/2003-01:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing Machine Wonderland, Here I Come!
MESSAGE: Best of luck Jamie. I can't wait to her what you end up with. And did I see an avocado refrigeraor in one of the pics????? Bob

*****Post# 26628-2/17/2003-07:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Water Saver)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg and everyone the Water Saver button is simply pressed to stop the fill and start the agitation, its like a manual water level control. I wont be sure if the machine works or not until I get it in the basement which might not happen for a week or two. But I will keep everyone posted.

*****Post# 26629-2/17/2003-08:08 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Those DIRTY Rings (take a stab at the dryer brand for Wisk commercial)
MESSAGE: Is that a Hamilton dryer there Robert?

*****Post# 26630-2/17/2003-08:28 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Connection Speed
MESSAGE: I love the jet cone in the washer on the home page. I can get a feeling for connection speed by the speed of the pulses. Sometimes I can even watch it shift speeds! (boy do I need a life, or what?)

*****Post# 26631-2/17/2003-09:16 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home
MESSAGE: We had a 55 filter flo and I can direct you to a photo of it's matching dryer. Go to the member link section and click on "pumper" - phoenix appliance graveyard. Then go to image 027.
The aqua-blue timer also had a light the illuminated it. I remember how cool it looked glowing in our dark basement.

I don't believe the 56 Robert just acquired is the top-of-the-line model from 56 because my old 55 had a cold water wash option and separate controls for wash and rinse temp as well as two separate cycles on the timer.

*****Post# 26632-2/17/2003-09:50 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers (Top Loading Dishwashers(old impellers))
MESSAGE: Mike, I heard those old impellers made of bakelite use to break alot and sometimes would even break other dishes with pieces flying around. My Mobile Maid has a steel impeller with a mesh guard over it. Obviously one of the last models where they caught on and were trying to eliminate those problems........

*****Post# 26633-2/17/2003-09:53 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Portable Dryer
MESSAGE: never heard of or seen a dryer like this, pretty funny though, would be funny at the thought of clothes flying out of there when you lift the lid...........

*****Post# 26634-2/17/2003-11:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home
MESSAGE: Hi Lesto, GE didn't start having a cold water wash until the 1959 line and the dryer pictured in image 027 is a '59 or '60 model.

The '56 washer I have I'm sure was the only model GE produced that year.

*****Post# 26635-2/17/2003-12:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Connection Speed
MESSAGE: It's actually a flash animation that downloads before it starts working. I would guess the speed of the pulses are due to how fast your computer can display the animation, not by the speed of the download. If your connection was slow, it would take longer for the animation to start working.

*****Post# 26637-2/17/2003-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Connection Speed
MESSAGE: I'm on a T1 here at work and I get a Unimatic 330 ppm when I access our beloved website, but at home on AOL dialing in at 28.8, I get Pulsamatic 660 ppm.

-ph

*****Post# 26638-2/17/2003-15:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Married with Children
MESSAGE: Last night was the reunion show of Married With Children. There were lots of shots of their beautiful avocado LK set. But at one point, Peg jumps Al for sex, and a number of provocative scenes flash by indicating the action that is taking place, such as a rocket blasing off and a train going thru a tunnel. However, one of the euphemistic scenes was a Unimatic pulsing away. I think it was a 57, gray pulsator column with a gray cap.

-ph

*****Post# 26639-2/17/2003-17:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56)
MESSAGE: There were six models of the "N" (1956) series - all similar in appearance but with minor changes to the trim and controls. There was a model, 1WA755N with two cycles (delicate and normal) and independent selection for rinse temp (warm and cold) and a suds-saver (water return) option.

1955 models were similar in appearance (including the FilterFlo according to GE manuals) to the 1956, but model numbers would include "M5" instead of "N" designations.

A family at our church had this same dryer and I swooned over that huge window, what a glamorous way to dry clothes!

*****Post# 26641-2/17/2003-17:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Married with Children
MESSAGE: I saw the ads for that during the 300th episode of the Simpsons and watched some of it - but I apparently missed the best part! I always liked catching a glimpse of that washer & dryer - the washer would be in MINT condition since Peg only ever dried the clothes!

*****Post# 26642-2/17/2003-18:24 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??)
MESSAGE: The two most recent 1/18's I found are practically identical. The ONLY difference is on the variable water fill, one machine shows the little jetcone symbol below, one model is a "WC" and the other is a "WIB", there are no dates anywhere on the machine, but I am guessing late seventies..........

*****Post# 26643-2/17/2003-19:08 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: On Robert's model with the water saver....
When you started the wash by using this function, was the rinse also the same water level as selected from the wash?
Just Curious.
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 26644-2/17/2003-19:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??)
MESSAGE: Are the location of the lid switches the same on both models?

The WC is a 1976 or 77 and the WIB is a 79 (second one down in the linked photo)

Have you tried them yet? Congrats on the exciting finds you've made - that Maytag is identical to my long lost turquoise '63, beautiful machine!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/vwp?.dir=/1979+Frigidaire+Washer+Line&.dnm=Page+3.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

*****Post# 26645-2/17/2003-20:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56 (gansky1))
MESSAGE: Greg, could yo mail me copies of the below-mentioned documentation that spells out the different models for'55 & '56, I'd love to figure out which washer we had. And is there dryer info too (just for my info?)? Bob

*****Post# 26646-2/17/2003-20:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: No Brent, if you wanted to have the smae lower-water level for the rinse as wash, you had to run and attend to the machine manually again. However, in our house, since my used Sat-Puf, she'd do it when she added the softener if needed. But she RARELY ever used water saver button. A load could wait until a full load was accumulated in that case.

All I have are listings of model numbers in the book for '56 and what I posted was just a brief summary of the three paragraphs explaining the changes. With the exception of the suds-saver & selectable rinse temp model, the other changes were just cosmetic but they don't explain those in any detail. Do you know the model number of the one you had?

*****Post# 26648-2/17/2003-20:42 ||| thegreatfixer (Los Angeles Ca)
SUBJECT: brand new Caloric rsp 369
MESSAGE: hi there this is the greatfixer and i just came across a brand new (never been used) in perfect condition i am trying to find more info on this one am thinking of buying it but i am not sure if the mecanical clock will still run right after sitting for ??? so many years i know on some of the old ones when the when the clock stops runing or the control panel starts shorting out you can unplug it and still use all of the range but i don't know anything about this one and if it will run without the timer/control pluged in. any advice thank you zvi@thegreatfixer.com

*****Post# 26649-2/17/2003-20:47 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: youngstown,GE,KitchenAid , any make. Top Load dishwashers (Top Loading Dishwashers(old impellers))
MESSAGE: The GE Mobile Maid I had , had a steel impeller BUT no guard. It did a fine job and to be honest we , not that I can remember, lost anything do to things falling down on the impeller. I sure wish I still had it . Michael

*****Post# 26650-2/17/2003-21:13 ||| David (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob-thanks for the greeting last thursday(you too, Jason!). I've been busy lately with another matter. I had an aunt who had a pair of these beauties in pink. Well they are long gone, unfortunately, but I still can remember the smell of Tide or Rinso Blue and the little copper filter pan, the lighted dial(at least the one on the dryer worked). Oh memories! I don't exactly remember the water saver button, but this model may have been different or a 55. General Electrics were always cool machines with the filter-flo feature. But that had to change much like frigidaire did- for the worse. I got a charge out of everyone's comment on the frigidaire in the ebay the other day, right on!

*****Post# 26651-2/17/2003-21:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (1956 GE----- Lots of sway!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Oh yes Bob ours had alot of sway too with bath mats in it! The suds swayed back and forth in the tub to the beat of Santana " YOu've got to change your evil ways,baby"!!!!

jet

*****Post# 26652-2/17/2003-21:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: No Brent the rinse level was not set by pushing the button in wash. You had to be there at the rinse to save water and push it again.
It was just a switch that by passes the float sensor down in the bottom of the outer tub.
jon

*****Post# 26653-2/17/2003-22:05 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: Hi, David. I am the other part of the New Orleans Duo. Now Jason and I will have another delegate at the next Louisiana Wash-in. Yeah!

*****Post# 26654-2/17/2003-22:20 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: brand new Caloric rsp 369 (Clocks)
MESSAGE: If an old electric clock makes noise when it runs, an old trick is to run it upside-down for a few days. This redistributes the oil.

Ken D.

*****Post# 26655-2/17/2003-22:21 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: Hi Todd, sounds like fun. Will have to check it out!

*****Post# 26656-2/17/2003-23:25 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Twin Laundry Tubs, with a Washer/Wringer Machine sitting on Top:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club members, I wondered if anyone remembers a Washer/Wringer unit that sat on top of the Twin Laundry Tubs, actually with the Wringer part of it sitting across the divider of the Tubs? It was called "Lil' Giant" or possibly "Little Giant" and it was a Light/Medium Green. The Mechanism sat with the shaft on the bottom of the unit and the Agitator was bolted to the shaft. The bottom of the Agitator sat about 1-inch above the bottom of the Laundry Tub. There was a Timer similar to an Egg Timer that counted down Timing for the Washing Action and then you had to slide a lever to disengage the Agitator and engaged the Wringer. The Motor made this kind of rumbling noise when the Agitator was in the idle stage, while Wringing the Clothes. We had to use a Broom Handle to get the Clothes out of the Hot Sudsy Wash Water, to put into the Wringer, towards the other Tub for the Rinse and to manually agitate the Clothes around in the Rinse Water, then reverse the Wringer's to Wring the Clothes out again, getting them ready to hang out on the Clothes Line. This was actually in a Cabin of some Family Friends in the Mountains towards the Lake Tahoe area. We had to move the whole Mechanism forward in order to fill the Tubs with Water, then slide it back to get it set into position to do the Laundry.

I would really appreciate it if anyone remembers these Washer/Wringer Machines and if you might know the whereabouts of one For Sale. If you have any info please either contact me on this Site or you can contact me on my E-Mail Address of:

SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

I look forward in hearing from someone hopefully soon with some info about these Machines and memory, as I remmeber them.

My best to you all, Steve
"aka" SactoTeddyBear...

*****Post# 26657-2/18/2003-00:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56 (gansky1))
MESSAGE: No I don't. Al I know / remember was it looked like Roberts, but had a green little light behind the dial; 8-9 pound or 9-10 pound wash load; and no filter-flo.

*****Post# 26658-2/18/2003-07:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Those football family PODs
MESSAGE: This must've been a common theme for those ads back then.

"My football family knows how to get clothes real dirty, but my gets them clean!" Haven't we seen this in Kelvinator, Philco, Gibson, a few of the Franklin built machines.

*****Post# 26659-2/18/2003-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56 (gansky1))
MESSAGE: Perhaps you had a 55 model, I wish I had more of the service manuals from GE for the earlier years to know for sure. I have '56 washers (no dryers), 57 dryers and 58 washers and dryers. Since the 56 manual said the machines carried a similar appearance and the filter-flo over from the 55 "M5" series, it would lead me to think that the filter-flo was introduced late in the 55 model year. Anyone out there have earlier books from 55?

I have a bunch of service bulletins - changes and additions to service procedures and products from GE so I will check those to see if I have more information on the 55 line tonight.

Have a good day - Greg

*****Post# 26660-2/18/2003-08:25 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever been brave enough to try and track down "Mrs. Downy of Sudsblock, NY" whose names were in these ads? It would be interesting to see if they really existed and if they got some lifetime supply of Philco washers or soap, etc.

*****Post# 26661-2/18/2003-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! I had no idea GE made so many models that early. Its strange that the '56 GE washer advertisements that I have seem to show the model that was just found at the estate sale, since it appears there were other models that were higher up on the line.

*****Post# 26662-2/18/2003-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, nope you had to press the water saver button again during the rinse if you wanted a lower water level.

*****Post# 26663-2/18/2003-08:42 ||| Curious (Michgian)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Freezer
MESSAGE: I just bought a house and in the basement is a Westinghouse Freezer. It is a wooden case with a stainless steel door at the top. It has a shelf and a pull out "box" inside. I'm trying to find out some info on this and can't find anything. If anyone has any info they can share I would appreciate it!

*****Post# 26664-2/18/2003-08:45 ||| Curious (Michgian)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Freezer
MESSAGE: I just bought a house and in the basement is a Westinghouse Freezer. It is a wooden case with a stainless steel door at the top. It has a shelf and a pull out "box" inside. I'm trying to find out some info on this and can't find anything. If anyone has any info they can share I would appreciate it!

After reading Jamie's message about finding a treasure trove of old appliances in Michigan, does anyone know of a place like that in California? I'm up in northern California but will travel to locate the perfect machine!

The lid safety switch is part of the hinge on the lid on one and is in back in the middle on the other.......cords were cut, so I have not tried them out, need to attach new cords. Thanks for the helpful info..........would love to see the link when you get it fixed and I love the Maytag too.........

*****Post# 26668-2/18/2003-16:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56)
MESSAGE: It sounded like there was only the one model with the additional features, the others might have been just changes in trim, etc. I think Jimmy (FilterFlo) said that his mother had a 56 model with the suds saver feature. He has a set of '56's now I think, so we'll have to see which model he has for sure.

*****Post# 26669-2/18/2003-17:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (link did not work?)
MESSAGE: The lid switch was moved from the hinge to the back of the opening in '79. Keep on the lookout for the WEG model in your travels - we must find one of those one day!

*****Post# 26671-2/18/2003-17:39 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: A couple of months ago, I actually took the time do a search for the name and hometown of a family that had been featured in POD Tide and Kelvinator ad. I found a listing for someone who had the same first and last name of one of the children in the ad. I let it go at that. I'm not sure that I would want someone to contact me and say that they had gotten my name and hometown from ad that my family had appeared in while I was a mere toddler. ;-) I did think that it was kind of neat to discover that that someone, with the same name, actually lived in the town where the family in the ad was supposed to have lived!

*****Post# 26672-2/18/2003-17:50 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Those football family PODs
MESSAGE: I noticed that too. I've also noticed that most football families seem to have owned Philco's and Kelvinator's. Although its nice to see ads for those very rare brands, I always have to laugh because no one that I new owned one of those. (Just about everyone that I knew had a Maytag. You could count the exceptions -- a GE filter flow, a Norge Time Line, two Frigidaire pulsators, and a Bendix combo -- on one hand!)

*****Post# 26674-2/18/2003-18:05 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing Machine Wonderland, Here I Come!
MESSAGE: I'm just dying from the suspense! Did you get to go yet Jaime? Do you find anything? I hope so and can't wait to hear all the details!

*****Post# 26676-2/18/2003-20:21 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: I got it! I got a machine! Let me tell you, it was a wonderful wonderland, they had Penta-Vanes, and Swirls galore! They had all kinds of 80's Maytags,Ge mini- baskets, Hotpoint double agitators and everything! They had two Portables, a Kenmore, and a Lady Kenmore... I got the Lady Kenmore Portable!!!!!!!!!!!! It has the same interior as Jason L's washer, but it has three water levels, three temps, and four wash cycles! It is a beauty! They tuned it up and let me test run it! It is VERY strong and it spins really fast, they said that it is faster than a commercial spin drier, and they weren't kiding. It is so cute! But, I am changing the agitator to a Whirlpool Thin Twin Surgialtor, It switched just fine and should be delivered by Thursday. I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited!

*****Post# 26677-2/18/2003-20:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: That's wonderful Jamie! I did not realize what a unique design that was until Jason got his and I found out more about it from Leslie. Enjoy!

*****Post# 26678-2/18/2003-20:39 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: WhooooHoooo!! Jackpot! You'll have sooooo much fun with it!

*****Post# 26679-2/18/2003-20:56 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (I just got back from the wonderland... )
MESSAGE: That's just Great Jamie
I wish we were all in washer land all day every day!
Peter

*****Post# 26680-2/18/2003-21:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (YAY!)
MESSAGE: Another vintage washer in the collection.

That washer's built like a tank and it will run all day without a problem.

It spins at 850rpm. It's real fast.

*****Post# 26681-2/18/2003-21:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (How Wonderful!!)
MESSAGE: Wow that's wonderful Jamie, you'll have to let us know what you think of your new machine. I bet you're going to have lots of fun. It would have been a dream come true for me to have my own washer when I was your age!

*****Post# 26682-2/18/2003-21:28 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (How Wonderful!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie, I am very happy for you. I am sure that you can hardly wait till Thursday. Be sure and let us know all about it when it arrives. Terry

*****Post# 26683-2/18/2003-21:29 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (Question about the water saver button (Thanks Guys!))
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information about the water saver button.
I guess it gave the housewife, and husbands that did the laundy one more excuse to watch the washer!
Brent

*****Post# 26684-2/18/2003-21:30 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (1958 (Thanks Robert))
MESSAGE: That was so interesting.
I never knew that there was a GE set with the towers like that.
Do you think they were trying to copy Frigidaire?
I like that set! Very interesting to me.
Brent

*****Post# 26685-2/18/2003-21:31 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (How Wonderful! Congrats!)
MESSAGE: What a great find! You're going to have so much fun with it. You are one lucky young man. I wish I had my own machine to play with when I was you're age. Enjoy!

*****Post# 26686-2/18/2003-21:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (That sounds like fun!)
MESSAGE: Congrats Jamie!
I am so happy to hear how happy you are!
Your mom is so cool!!!!
Interesting to hear that washer spun that fast. I had no idea.
I would have loved a set for MY BEDROOM to play with when I was your age!
I had to play with our machine when my Mom and Dad was not at home!
I hope you have lot's of fun!
Brent

*****Post# 26687-2/18/2003-21:35 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: That sure looks like a beautiful Maytag set, in the picture it looks pink but not sure about that. Dan,(bendix5) you just may be close enough to check this set out.

*****Post# 26688-2/18/2003-21:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The '56 General Electric Comes Home (6 Models in '56)
MESSAGE: Probably to peak Mrs. Housewife's interest, come into the store, and see if they could sell her a higher-end model.

*****Post# 26690-2/18/2003-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (That sounds like fun!)
MESSAGE: Brent, that was the only time I could play with the washer too was when the parents were gone, as well as the sisters.

*****Post# 26691-2/19/2003-03:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jamie,

Enjoy this washer, those washers are cute. Ofcourse after the first few washes we want a full report!!! Have fun!

Louis

*****Post# 26692-2/19/2003-05:45 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: jamie congrats on your new purchase
MESSAGE: Jamie
When I was your age I was consider wierd by my family so its so nice to see you have parents that are that cool. I to could only play with washers when my mother would not notice.

As for the Frigidaire with the storage my Aunt had one and it was so cool my uncle was an engineer for Frigidaire and they remodeled thier kitchen to all top of the line. As far as family washers my grandmother only had kelvinators with the window. my other aunts had frigidaires, maytags, kenmore, GE filter flo whirlpool, easy spinners, westinghouse front loaders, a few of my aunts did not mind me lifting the lid to watch. In fact when I was younger I would Identify my aunts by the type of washer they had ... by its wash motion ... god I got teased for that for years .. Big family here

*****Post# 26693-2/19/2003-06:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie,
That is great news!
Are you able to post photos? I'm sure we are all dying to see. I have never seen one of those machines so I can't wait.
Do you know what year it was made?
Does it work the same as a full size Whirlpool?
Best Wishes
Chris.

*****Post# 26694-2/19/2003-06:28 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (try this - thnx(one leaks))
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, well I guess they are both 1979, the only difference between the two is the location of the lid safety switch and the markings on the variable fill control.........otherwise they are exactly alike......while they are both thawing out.......I noticed a puddle on the floor underneath one........obviously one leaks........

*****Post# 26695-2/19/2003-06:29 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: This guy that is on the lookout for me called yesterday and said he found a '64 Coppertone Norge washer for me.........has pushbuttons all along the back console.......I will be picking it up tonight I hope ......pics to follow.......

*****Post# 26696-2/19/2003-06:31 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: very nice and to find a set of that vintage.......hope someone in the club gets it.......

*****Post# 26697-2/19/2003-06:32 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (congrads)
MESSAGE: good for you, congrads and good luck with it.......

*****Post# 26698-2/19/2003-07:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Greg, OUTSTANDING. I can't wait to see pics. I wonder if it's like the one in today's POD or the one like I had, installed in our home 12/23/64. Now, I bet y'all can't imagine who was doing wash on Christamas Day, 1964, while presents were being opened.

*****Post# 26699-2/19/2003-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland... (How Wonderful!!)
MESSAGE: Good for you Jamie - Enjoy your new washer!!

*****Post# 26700-2/19/2003-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (WC - '76 WIB - '79)
MESSAGE: Maybe lost in the confusion of picture links, but the WC is a 76 or 77 machine (with the lid switch in the hinge) and the WIB is a 79 (lid switch at back)

The lid switch wasn't moved to the back of the opening until 1979 so that years models are the only ones you'll see that on.

*****Post# 26702-2/19/2003-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (one leaks??)
MESSAGE: Does this mean that one of the 1-18 washers you found leaks? Any idea where it's coming from? Hopefully it will be something easy to find and fix.

Keep us posted. Greg

*****Post# 26703-2/19/2003-07:40 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Way to go man!
I hope that we can see that beauty of true workhorse real soon!

Also check the filters on each and the patter of the holes at the bottom of the wash tub. Didn't you also say that the WC did not have the water level graphics?

-ph

*****Post# 26705-2/19/2003-09:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Question???
MESSAGE: Has anybody seen this?
Why on earth anybody think that they can sell this on eBay and hope to God that they can dump it on a poor lad?

I got a call yesterday on a SQ. Got a feeling I'm going to be disappointed, but I need to see it first...

-ph

*****Post# 26708-2/19/2003-10:04 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Welllllllllllllll, I couldn't resist. This set has been on Ebay for two days now and no one in the club bid sooooooooo I did! This is just too nice of a set to let go. I had this model washer years ago and gave it to a friend to use while I changed spouses and the friend SOLD it! I was not aware of it until two months later when I got my own place and needed the washer back. This one has a lighted tub also! Mark (ebay - mortition) ps yes I know it's spelled incorrectly, but someone else had the correct spelling :~(

*****Post# 26709-2/19/2003-10:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: I just got back from the wonderland...
MESSAGE: JAMIE!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! What a great washer. Of course you realize that this wil be only the FIRST of many that I'm sure you will collect. Can you imagine when your're my age (a mere 27 or so LOL!) and you still have that washer!!! It will be the hit of your wash-in, I'm sure! Enjoy it my friend!!! Mark

*****Post# 26710-2/19/2003-10:24 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: They appear to be in incredibly good shape!
I hate to imagine what the shipping cost is going to be, but as with all things we want, we can always justify the expense.
I'd have been quite upset with my "friends" if they sold my loaned washer out from under me. I can trulely say I would have gone ballistic, the nerve of them!
Let us know how this pans out and I hope you win the auction!
-Alex
(Fort Lauderdale)

*****Post# 26711-2/19/2003-11:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Question??? (Land of rust?)
MESSAGE: This is an example of a typical New Orleans washer & dryer that's been installed in a garage or the back of the house or in the "wash house". The real old houses had this. No AC, just humidity and iron oxide.

*****Post# 26712-2/19/2003-11:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Question??? (Land of rust? Seattle)
MESSAGE: Seattle is very humid most of the time so probably not much classic stuff there. Just rust buckets like the ones in the picture.

*****Post# 26714-2/19/2003-12:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Mark, is that a two speed machine? I couldn't tell from the picture if it had the speed buttons or that bar that says "automatic". Either way, what a wonderful set! At that time apparently, the lighted consoles and tubs were not reserved strictly for the top of the line models. I'm so glad you bid on them. And the beautiful porcelain dryer drum! Would that have had a light inside as well?

*****Post# 26715-2/19/2003-13:01 ||| gewasherguy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: I would like a honest opinion from anyone out there that might have some information on these washers and dryer. What is your opinion on the following brands of new washers and dryers...?? Thanks for the information.

Amana
Magic Chef
Maytag Performa

*****Post# 26716-2/19/2003-13:28 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Question??? (I had to ask myself also )
MESSAGE: What did granny wash to eat away at that LOL

*****Post# 26717-2/19/2003-13:30 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: I am so happy you bid on it I almost bid myself but had to resist it tis a beautiful set

*****Post# 26718-2/19/2003-14:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: Since this club is for the classics only I think you'd better pose your question at the Appliances Forum. The link below will bring you there.

Good luck,

Louis
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/

*****Post# 26719-2/19/2003-14:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott! That is a two speed machine. The user can select Gentle action or normal action with the buttons on the left side of the timer. The buttons on the right side are for wash temperatures and 4 water level selections. The lint filter on this one is in the agitator post and is stainless steel. This is the smaller tub Maytag so the wash action is pretty good. I had the water level set up on my old one to just slosh over the agitator cap when using a full tub of water. This kept the cap pretty and shiny! This machine has a flourescent panel AND a light that lights a section of the timer that is incandescent AND a tub light! Mark

*****Post# 26720-2/19/2003-14:22 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Question???
MESSAGE: This is the kind of stuff we find in Florida. Just eat up with rust! Actually this one is in BETTER condition than the ones we find in Florida usually! Mark

*****Post# 26721-2/19/2003-14:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Alex! Like a lot of people, this friend of mine thought that I could always pick up another old washer...... :~(

*****Post# 26722-2/19/2003-14:35 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: AMANA - Just was resold again to a company in Japan so no telling what will happen to the product. Used to be the same as the Speed Queen. A friend of mine has a three year old set of the top of the line electronic machines with the lighted controls that the front panel has started to rust on. These machines are kept INSIDE in air conditioning. In the three years that she has had the machines, they are on their 4th service call and repair.
MAGIC CHEF - Bottom line goods made by Maytag/Admiral/Jenn Air .... and who knows who else.......
MAYTAG PERFORMA - One of Maytag lines. Steer clear of plastic tubs.....plastic pulleys......plastic period.
Just my opinion. Mark

*****Post# 26724-2/19/2003-15:34 ||| gewasherguy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: Thanks
MESSAGE: Lightedcontrols....thanks for the information on these new machines. It is what I was looking for and it is very much appreciated.

*****Post# 26725-2/19/2003-17:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Question???
MESSAGE: I never seen a Kenmore in this poor condition in my life!
I mean, I've seen rust on the interior on the chassis (outer basket and base), but never around the top like this one.

Larry

*****Post# 26726-2/19/2003-17:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: I remember my grandmother's Maytag sloshed water over the top of the filter too, I always thought that was so cool.

I think there were only three water levels on this model, four selections didn't come about until the large capacity tubs of the late 60's if I remember my Maytag manuals.

*****Post# 26727-2/19/2003-17:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Question???
MESSAGE: Granny should have left the lid up when done with her washday! I've seen this on these models before - so it doesn't look like they were kept in mint condition - the dryer filter is broken and it looks like there are chips all over the top of them - what were they doing??

*****Post# 26728-2/19/2003-17:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: I like that too (the coinop Maytags have the flat-top agitator too, just not the neat chrome cap!)

*****Post# 26729-2/19/2003-17:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Cool, on all counts! I didn't realize the filters on those were stainless too. A neighbors 206 filter had this funky meshy stuff that was kind of hard to clean. Later, the filter was made from a harder plastic which I thought was much easier to clean than the mesh.

*****Post# 26730-2/19/2003-19:02 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Great set, my mother had the same Maytag dryer and it did have a light inside the drum, behind the lint filter. Good luck with it! Rich

*****Post# 26731-2/19/2003-20:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: Actually, Amana is now owned by Maytag. Goodman sold them almost two years ago, so in effect all of the names you asked about are in the Maytag family...... but of course this is for either the sandbox or thathomesite.com

*****Post# 26732-2/19/2003-20:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Mark: Georgeous machines!! Bravo!!! I love the stippled dryer drum! Does it have the dryness sensors wrapped around the drum fins??? I always thought it was so advanced of Maytag in the 50's to have electronic dryness control!!!

Can't wait to spin the dial!!!!

jon & al

*****Post# 26733-2/19/2003-22:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Greetings! This dryer is the timed version. Would dry up to 110 minutes with the last 5 being cool down. This was the new age of WASH-N-WEAR you know! The timers on these dryers, as they wear, will jump past the off position when turning off. This is a result of wear on the timing cam. Pretty normal for a Maytag of this vintage. If you look closely at the picture, this one has jumped past off as well. My Grandmother's used to do this and every once in a while, it would jump to off and just far enough to restart the dryer. Notice no start switch! You locked the door, set the timer, and the machine started. I remember giving my cousin Keith quite a ride in my Granny's dryer. The door lock kept him from getting out! LOL!!! This was before all the lawsuits and safety features. This model has three temp selections. Air Fluff, Regular Fabrics and Wash & Wear. This is not the electronic model. I do have three of the electronic models from that era though and they really work well. I do change the limit thermostats with a variable one so that the cooldown doesn't shut the dryer off until the clothes are about 95 degrees. Seems this makes the towels especially a little more fluffy! Mark

*****Post# 26734-2/19/2003-22:09 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: I think Maytag just dumped Amana and a company from Japan just bought them....and this IS for the sandbox!

*****Post# 26735-2/19/2003-22:19 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (WC - '76 WIB - '79 thnx G)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg .............. the place I picked them up had cut the power cord off the back, uuggghhhh, so I need to redo the cord.........

*****Post# 26736-2/19/2003-22:24 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: I am on a winning streak, today i picked up a coppertone NORGE 18 top of the line from 1964.......in very good shape.......10 pushbuttons along the left, infinite water level, fabric softener and bleach dispensers, green filter basket in the back, I cleaned it up tonight, it was pretty dirty.......now I just have to plug it in and see whats up.................took a couple pics tonight, just need to get them developed.........

*****Post# 26737-2/19/2003-22:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Mark, did these dryer models have the end of cycle "ding"? Didn't some of the later ones of this style have a regular push-pull (nonlocking) door? A friend had a 1964 Electronic model and also said it worked quite well.

Do we know if Maytag was the first to have "electronic" dryers?

*****Post# 26738-2/19/2003-22:27 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (one leaks??)
MESSAGE: yea, the 1976 one leaks, it was frozen solid, actually they both were, I just hope its not cracked pumps or anything like that.......but I need to take the front panel off, hopefully some night next week I will get to it.......I will let you know, thanks for asking.....need to reattach the power cords first and try them out to see whats going on.......

*****Post# 26739-2/19/2003-22:29 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Thanks Larry, I should have pics out here in a couple weeks; Did you pick up the Frigidaire?? Try it out??

*****Post# 26740-2/19/2003-22:30 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (79 models vs. others)
MESSAGE: I noticed that tonight, funny you mention, that one has holes in the very bottom of the tub and the other does not, I forget which model has which, I will double check tomorrow.........

*****Post# 26743-2/19/2003-23:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: You're correct Greg. 3 water levels. That's how I could look at the control panel and know if it was a large capacity machine or not--4 water levels.

*****Post# 26744-2/19/2003-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm not sure I can wait a couple of weeks for pics of the Norge. I'm dying to see how it compares with mine. And please take good pics of the control panels and the chart that details the cycles under the lid.

"With the introduction of the electronic, Halo of Heat dryer models DE701 and DG701, a different approach to clothes drying is offered to the modern homemaker. The dryers incorporate an electronic control to accurately determine drying time by sensing the degree of dryness or dampness for each load placed in the appliance. The chance of the homemaker overdrying or underdrying is minimized as each load is actually "custom dried" and conditioned."

I had the DE701 (in turquoise) some years ago which had the auto-electronic settings on the dial along with an air-fluff cycle and a timed dry cycle. In 1964, Maytag introduced the all pushbutton dryer to match the washer they offered several years before.

Prior to this, there is no mention of any electronic sensor controls in the Maytag manuals. I've heard they were the first with the electronic control in the '62 models - anyone know of another manufacturer that used electronic controls before this?

*****Post# 26747-2/20/2003-00:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1/18's (years by model #'s ??) (one leaks??)
MESSAGE: There is a pin-trap bolted to the outer tub that might have cracked - mine had that problem too, also had been frozen. You should have no trouble finding another if you need it and it's an easy repair.
- Greg

*****Post# 26749-2/20/2003-06:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: And coppertone no less in Massachusetts!!! Unbelievable and fabulous at the same time. Hopefully it won't need a lot of repair work to get it up and running. Can't wait for pics. Now about that lower and central New England wash in............

*****Post# 26750-2/20/2003-06:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Washers and Dryers
MESSAGE: Um........yes,I think I recognized that already, which is why I suffixed my comments with that acknowledgement - so as not to get far afield should any other comments arise. Next issue???

*****Post# 26751-2/20/2003-08:22 ||| gewasherguy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: Pardon Me
MESSAGE: Listen...to the persons that keep referring to this question needing to be put in the "sandbox"...I did not realize you could not ask questions concerning new machines at this forum and that everyone seems to be so touchy. It will not happen again.

*****Post# 26752-2/20/2003-08:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: Greg, in 1964, the largest Norge capacity was Norge 15--15 lbs. I hope that waas a typo. The 18-20 pound machines didn't come out until late late 60s or early 1970s with the redesign from having the filter pan at the back of the tub and moved to a burp-up type on the agitator. Our 64 Norge was a dispensomat that had the buttons on the right and were only 8 buttons. I believe in 1965 they went to 10 buttons and may have moved them to the left. Our filter pan (tray) was a blueish-green. The corresponding Monkey Wards versions were grey. I saved the POD that is my washer if you'd like for me to email it to you. Bob

*****Post# 26753-2/20/2003-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: That's very exciting Greg! Congrats. Can't wait to see pictures. I'm not sure what year Norge came out with their perforated tub machines, but your machine might be from the very first year!

*****Post# 26756-2/20/2003-09:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Not yet Greg, I will have to wait until the snow belt starts to thaw! I'm making plans to travel to the far north in mid march!

Thanks for looking out.....

*****Post# 26757-2/20/2003-09:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott! This model dryer just shuts off and that's it. No dings. The electronic models of the early 60's had a bell that did ding when the dryer shut off. The bell is located in the control panel next to the control switch with a little relay that dings the bell once. The electronic models really did perform well. Maytag made lots of changes in the late 50's to early 60's. The prior model to the one that I am bidding on had a perforated drum with a long lint screen on the lower right corner. The heat came from the top right of the drum and "flowed" through the drum and clothes. My Grandmother had this model. It took well over an hour to dry a load of towels since there was so much space between the outer drum and the tumbler. The heat was just drawn right to the vent with very little going through the clothes. I believe that Maytag was the first with an electronic drying control in the late 50's or early 60's. The vanes in the drum were wrapped with two sets of wires and connected through a carbon and copper strip that was around the bearring area and then connected to the controller in the control panel. The "timer " knob actually was a cam that pushed buttons in the control switch. Pressing the button or "timer" dial was actually the start button as well. (for a while this dryer was available with the round "timer" dial or the pushbutton selector model) When Maytag introduced the "halo of heat" models, they put the lint filter in the rear of the drum and pulled the heat from a shroud that surrounded the front of the tumbler. The actual tumbler was a solid tub except for the lint filter cut out in the rear and the perforations around the front of the tub that let the warmed air in. This was a pretty good system unless you were drying large articles like rugs or sheets as they would get sucked to the lint filter and actually "act" like the filter! The locking door latch was replaced in the early 60's I believe with the snap to close and open system. (this way, if someone, like me, was to put his cousin in the dryer, the cousin could push the door open from the inside!) Also start switches and many other safety features were added. Mark

*****Post# 26758-2/20/2003-10:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: Thank you for that interesting lesson Mark! I didn't know about the perforated drum dryers until one on Ebay a while ago, nor did I know about the door lock, until last convention when I saw a Maytag with that style door. I like the sounds of how they had the sensors set up in these, as it seems it would give a lot of contact points with the clothes, making it more accurate.

*****Post# 26759-2/20/2003-12:29 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: I'm so jealous! I've been looking for a machine like this for years (either Wards or Norge). Would love to see pix if possible!

Take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26760-2/20/2003-15:52 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: Spin-X
MESSAGE: Have any of y'all come across this accessory to home laundry in the states? When I lived in Spain, the family I stayed with had one of these in their kitchen next to the Miele.

Don't know how well this product might work, as it look a little cheap?

Shawn
LINK: http://www.spin-x.com/spin2.ram

*****Post# 26761-2/20/2003-15:57 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: You put your cousin in a clothes dryer too???!! So did I...and the family cat! When I was really young, my brother put a live chicken into our Laundromat, which sat in the kitchen. He didn't start the machine, but hoped that Mom would, and get a fright when she saw and heard the chicken squak!

Are there good sources of vintage in Atlanta anymore? When I lived there the Salvation Army had a weekly auction at their Marietta Street store, but don't know if they get any good stuff anymore?

Shawn in Huntsville

*****Post# 26763-2/20/2003-19:24 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: GREGM WHAT DID YOU FIND TODAY?
MESSAGE: HELLO GREG,
DID NOT SEE ANY POST FROM YOU TODAY, AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU FOUND? FOUR 1-18'S? THREE BENDIX COMBOS? JUST PICKING.
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE FINDING SO MUCH STUFF! YOUR HARD WORK BY GETTING YOU NAME OUT THERE IS REALLY PAYING OFF!
HAVE FUN PLAYING WITH ALL OF YOUR NEW MACHINES.
BRENT

*****Post# 26766-2/20/2003-20:28 ||| bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X (Spin-X)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have owned a spin-x for about 4 years now and it is a great little appliance. It cuts the drying time down on most loads of laundry by about 1/2 the time. Eventhough you might double rinse most laundry there is still some detergent left in the clothes. The spin-x extracts 99% of the excess water and detergent and the clothes dry softer and fluffier than putting them in the dryer right from the washer. I also found that it reduces the shrinkage on most items especially jeans since they require so much less time in the dryer. Hope i've been some help and if you are still interested get back to me to talk some more.

*****Post# 26767-2/20/2003-21:36 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice GE Dishwasher on EBAY
MESSAGE: Wow! That is a nice one. I've never seen anything like it before. I especially like the design of the on/off switch. The rack is kind of neat too. I wonder what that is in the left rear corner of the top of the machine? It looks like the spray attachment for a kitchensink.

*****Post# 26768-2/20/2003-21:51 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Early 60's Maytag set on Ebay (Beautiful Set!!)
MESSAGE: I was put as a child in a 1957 Whirlpool Imperial Dryer and that is why I am a laundrophile to this day.

*****Post# 26770-2/20/2003-21:59 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND thnx everyone)
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for your comments..........I believe this machine is a 1964, pics will come soon........I do not have a digital camera, so I get out the old big Canon 35mm and mail the film in to be developed and they email my photos to me, along with shipping the actual photos to me as well.

*****Post# 26771-2/20/2003-22:12 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Norge leaks like a sieve........
MESSAGE: I tried the Norge tonight, and well, I have a list of things to do, first and foremost, whereas I am very new to the fixing side, forgive my lack of proper terminology, there is a...what looks like a plastic juice glass extending down from the bottom of the tub in the left rear corner, the bleach and fabric softener dispenser tubes attach to this, they need to be tightened. The clamp around the top of this "cup?" is rusted and leaks big time, I think there may be another pinhole in this cup near the bottom too. Secondly, there is a significant pinhole leak in the top of the water pump. I think those are the only leak issues, oh and thirdly, the fabric softener cup is cracked and broken. It does have a part # on it which I will try to get but if I can't I may be able to glue it back. It fills fine, spins fine, makes five or six horrible, extremely LOUD bangs when the spin shuts off, obviously the tub brake from what I can see, man, I would like to disconnect that solenoid......scared the crap out of me (haha)......and fourthly the agitation is extremely slow, no bad noises just very, very slow, I don't know why ??? I don't think this machine has run for YEARS (stinks mildew and cat pee inside cabinet - will be fun to work on - haha).......I need to replace what I think is a pushbutton light switch on the very top of the right side back console.........sorry this is so long.........Overall does not seem like anything major, I am a bit concerned about the slow tranny, hope that is nothing major, no signs of leaks at all on that..........

*****Post# 26772-2/20/2003-22:18 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: Bob, it could very well be a 1965, you guys out here can let me know once I post pics........it does have a date stamp on the back of 1964 though ?? and it definately is an 18 pounder. Ten pushbuttons to the left. Infinite water level, timer dial and then another separate knob which turns the timer dial (very cool looking)..........

*****Post# 26774-2/20/2003-22:38 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! One of the delivery guys at Home Depot called with a washer that he thought I might want. Weeeeeellllll it turned out to be a GE lighted control Americana Dispensall washer in white!!! Three light scratches on the front. The best part is that I hooked it up AND IT WORKED PERFECTLY!!! It's a model WWA8508PALWH serial number TZ1 36273G Can anyone tell me what year this one is from? It has the lid within the lid and would you believe the dispensor compartments are not clogged or anything! It has a straight vane agitator in light blue with matching tub. It is missing the mini basket and filter pan that I assume it used to have???It is a really beautiful machine. I never collected GE's and now I have about 6, I think! Mark

*****Post# 26776-2/20/2003-22:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........
MESSAGE: Thanks for the update Greg and for keeping us posted! Norge does have a very loud spin brake. Is they agitation really slow or just kind of slow? Norges do agitate slowly normally. Best wishes! It is sounding more and more like the one Bob's family had.

*****Post# 26777-2/21/2003-00:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!! (1973)
MESSAGE: WOW! Great find Mark - and the mini-basket and filter-flo pan will be easy to find to make it complete. Yours is the same model as mine, except for the "WH" color code, mine is "HT" for Harvest(gold) This is a 1973 "P" line machine. The Dispensall feature was introduced in May of '73. It's wonderful that it works well, does the filter-flo stream change direction between wash and rinse? That is a very interesting system to change the direction of the flow - amazing we've found two machines that are both working. Tell your friend at Home Depot to keep his eyes open - he's a good person to know!

Here's the pictures of mine, and later in the album is the GE service manual scan of the Dispensall system too. Have fun and congrats again, very fun washer indeed!

*****Post# 26778-2/21/2003-05:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!!
MESSAGE: Congrats,Mark. That is a great find and especially rare with the lit control panel. I know there is a way to tell the year from the serial number and someone here should be able to help out. In fact it is in a prior post, but a while ago. The minibasket and filter flo pan should be reasonably easy to find. If you can't let me know. There is a GE dealer here that has a ton of these as he pulls them off machines he takes in. No point in spending a lot on these from a parts store after all.

*****Post# 26779-2/21/2003-05:56 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice GE Dishwasher on EBAY (I thought gregm got it )
MESSAGE: I thought gregm bought it first time around on ebay. and if he did looks like she is trying to sell it out from under him

*****Post# 26780-2/21/2003-06:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X (Spin-X)
MESSAGE: I thought alot about buying a Spin-X but the problem is they're so small in capacity. If you had a super capacity washer, you'd be there all day loading and unloading the spin-x. So I bought the Frigemore instead. 1050rpm

*****Post# 26781-2/21/2003-07:29 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........
MESSAGE: Hey Scott, well it agitates like pathetically slow, it takes a full three seconds to rotate in one direction on normal speed, I am not sure if its because it just sat for so long or if water has got into the tranny. As far as the tub braking, I understand and have heard that they brake loud but is it, or should it be just ONE loud clunk?? or around SIX LOUD clunks like it is doing now.......??

*****Post# 26782-2/21/2003-08:18 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X (Spin-X)
MESSAGE: Jason,
While the capacity is small, it takes about 3 minutes per load (it has a built in timer) but it is well worth it. The spin-x spins at 3300rpm's and it really does cut down the dry time. Unfortunately the company only makes the small tub as it is not meant for commercial useage and I think that it is a great machine. For the additional 6-10 minutes it takes to spin-x a machine of clothes it's worth it. You also don't have to let it spin for the full 3 minutes, you can stop it at anytime when you see that there is no more water left coming out of the spout. The website for spin-x is www,spin-x.com. The cost of the machine is about $379 with shipping. I also own the Frigidaire Gallery front load which spins very fast but a lot of times when I put a load from the frigidaire into the spin-x there is still water that comes out of the wash. Bruce

*****Post# 26783-2/21/2003-08:26 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: what washer was
MESSAGE: Hy I found on Ebay this old '62 washer.
But I don't know it. Can anyone of you help me?
I think it's a german washer
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3208777815&category=8419

*****Post# 26784-2/21/2003-08:52 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!! (1973)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! Does this machine take a regular GE mini basket and filter pan? It looks from the photos os yours that there is another pan that sits in the filter pan that sits on top of the mini-basket. What part is this? Thanks, Mark

*****Post# 26785-2/21/2003-08:55 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Fabric Softner Dispenser for Whirlpool Surgilator
MESSAGE: Hey all you Whirlpool fans! I have a fabric softner dispenser for a Surgilator agitator if anyone wants it. (White plastic) It does need a good cleaning. I ran it through the dishwasher but it didn't seem to get all the gunk out. Mark

*****Post# 26786-2/21/2003-08:55 ||| ellobie (Richmond, VA)
SUBJECT: Gas Ranges
MESSAGE: Does anyone know where I can go to learn more about my vintage gas range? I know NOTHING about appliances, much less vintage ones and I have this ancient (not as ancient as what I've been able to find on the web, but still very old) gas range I'd like to sell. Thanks for any info!

Could the tranny just be cold and the oil needs to be warmed, if so the tranny drive pulley might be tight and causing the belt to slip? Try removing the belt and turning the transmission pulley by hand and see how tight it is.

As for the Loud Bangs, that's the brake latch. There probably should only be one loud bang, not five or six. I suspect that the brake latch is worn and is not catching properly so the brake latch keeps trying to catch the brake band and with each try it bangs. You cannot disconnect the solenoid otherwise the brake latch will never release from the brake band and the machine wont be able to spin.

*****Post# 26789-2/21/2003-13:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! Robert gave you some things to check I see in a post above, and I will of course defer to his mechanical expertise, which is of course far greater than mine! I was just kind of going by a few facts I knew off the top of my head about Norge machines.

I'm thrilled you found it and I can feel inside that you will be able to have it running respectably! We'll look forward to your further reports and later pictures! Have a great weekend.

Thank you for responding to my message! I'm somewhat new to this website and have replied to a few other messages and have heard from no one. I'm getting the feeling Applianceville is a bit cliquey (spelling?) and I know since I'm new (and unfortunately don't own any fun appliances yet) I don't have much to share other than my love for old appliances.

Hope to chat more with you again and I can't wait to see pix of your "new" Norge washing machine!

*****Post# 26792-2/21/2003-20:15 ||| Brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice GE Dishwasher on EBAY (I thought gregm got it (Greg, is this the one you won on eBay?))
MESSAGE: Greg,
Was wondering if this was the top-loader that you won, or is someone else using the same pictures in another ad?
Hope it is not a scam.
Brent

Here is a good picture (from an ad for the Dispensall) of the mini-basket and filter pan so you know what to look for.

The extra attachment I had in mine was probably a replacement for the missing dispensall tray and funnel system - it is used for dispensing detergent when used with the pre-soak/wash cycle and wouldn't have been included with the machine originally.

Good luck with your machine and send some pictures when you get a chance!

*****Post# 26795-2/21/2003-22:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: Well Gre, I can't wait to see the pics. It will be one of the most anticipated for me in a long tie. And yes, that offset timer being moved by the smaller knob is very cool indeed!!!!

*****Post# 26796-2/21/2003-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND (washerlover--Todd))
MESSAGE: Todd, welcome welcome welcome!!!!!!. I'm sorry you've felt left out. Plese don't think so. We really are not a cliquey type of group. I have no collection and in fact, no mechanical ability, but I still feel very much a part of this group and is like family in lots of ways LOL.

I'm in the same position as Appnut - no collection as of yet, and have never done any restoration work either - but I still log in every day to read the new messages. While it's very rare that I have anything to add, I love catching up with the news regarding other members' collections.

*****Post# 26798-2/22/2003-11:34 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Last week I was washing in my 66 rollarmatic Frigidaire. This is a suds-saver model, and after the first load, I noticed that the wash tub was only half as full of water as usual. The next load I heard a loud bang and grinding sound during the first spin. The first spin starts off slow, and swithes to fast half way through. Now for some reason when it switches to fast spin, their is a clunk, and the wash water quits coming through the wash water hose, and is diverted to the rinse hose, which goes down the drain. I have several questions, 1-what in the world has happened? 2-should I not use the machine? 3-who knows what is wrong, and wants to visit sunny, tropical, warm Minnesota in Feb to show me how to fix this? Don't delay!! E-mails are welcome if you don't like hot weather. (donshier@aol.com) Thanks, Don

*****Post# 26799-2/22/2003-12:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (NORGE FOUND)
MESSAGE: Greetings Todd and welcome to the club! Make sure you download some of the video so you can see some of these old machines in action!!! Hope to see you at the next wash-in! Mark

*****Post# 26800-2/22/2003-12:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!! (1973)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! thanks for your response. I was also wondering if the lid could be opened before the end of the cycle to add clothes without dumping all the additives all over the place? Would love to find a USE AND CARE MANUAL for this model. Mark

*****Post# 26801-2/22/2003-12:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Don! Don't use that washer!!! Jon Charles one of the Frigidaire experts and I'm sure will have some idea of what is wrong! Mark

*****Post# 26802-2/22/2003-13:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND !!!!! (1973)
MESSAGE: Once you fill the dispensers, you should wait 30 seconds before raising the lid, but of course, the dispensers won't work if the lid is up during the cycles then...

I don't have the dispenser tray for mine, but I'm guessing that you need to wait 30 seconds to open the lid because the bleach is funneled into the tank under the top in the outer tub where the solenoid pulls the valve open to dispense it into the wash-water.

*****Post# 26803-2/22/2003-13:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Hi Don - sounds like you may have a timer problem. What model do you have? Is there a switch on the panel to "save" suds?

*****Post# 26804-2/22/2003-13:41 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls? (top load dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I have tried that chat room but again I am the only person in there.

*****Post# 26805-2/22/2003-13:50 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls? (chat room)
MESSAGE: I have tried this applianceville chat room a few times, never anyone there. Going to try again today at 4:00

*****Post# 26807-2/22/2003-16:59 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it is model WCDRK. The suds return is an option on the wash water temp dial, no extra switches or buttons.

*****Post# 26808-2/22/2003-17:01 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Thanks Mark, I will have to contact him. If the machine is leaving me, maybe I will have to find a new Maytag or GE with lighted console!! Glad you had such a good streak of luck. Don

*****Post# 26809-2/22/2003-21:38 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Don't worry Don! That machine WON'T be lost!!! Someone in the club should have the part you need! MArk

*****Post# 26810-2/22/2003-22:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Hi Don, I agree with Greg. Sounds like the timer is de-energizing the suds return solenoid too soon. You can get a new-rebuilt timer at Midwest Timer Service. This is not a serious problem, it will just prevent you from using the suds saver for a while until you can get a new timer.

"At this time, there is nothing to suggest that yesterday's Sudsy Duds fire was the work of a terrorist group, al-Qaeda or otherwise," Ridge said. "The FBI is conducting a thorough investigation into the cause, but thus far, there is no evidence indicating that this was a terrorist strike against our nation."

Euclid Fire Chief Andrew Donnelly, who has been working closely with state and federal officials in the wake of the blaze, offered his theory on its cause.

"I'm guessing water flooded into the basement, causing a misfire in an oil furnace that sparked a minor explosion," Donnelly said. "Groundwater probably seeped through the walls of the lower level and reached the boiler in the middle of the floor. Luckily, we were able to contain the blaze without causing too much structural water damage. Coulda been a lot worse."

Damage from the fire is estimated at $27,000. Among the casualties were seven large-capacity dryers, a detergent-vending machine, and a Pengo arcade game.

According to Ridge, there is no evidence to suggest that the facility was used as a "soft target," in spite of the federal government's recent terror-alert upgrade to orange.

"We can say with a high degree of certainty that this fire was not masterminded by Osama bin Laden or any other such figure," Ridge said. "There were no intercepted communications between suspected terrorists regarding this laundromat, and no sign of chemical, biological, or radiological weapons was found after a thorough search of all washers, dryers, folding tables, and snack machines."

Added Ridge: "I would, however, urge the public to remain extra-vigilant in these times of heightened alert and be sure to report any unusual or suspicious activities they witness at laundromats or any other public place."

Though Euclid is home to an estimated seven Muslims, none are considered suspects at this time.

"We checked, and every member of Euclid's Islamic community has an airtight alibi," Ridge said. "I further discussed these foreign-born residents with Euclid police chief Stan Welker, who vouched for their character, saying, 'They're all good, decent folks, just like you and me.' We may still bring them in for a little further questioning, but I don't have real reason to suspect they're behind this."

Welker said he has accounted for everyone who used the facility in the 24 hours prior to the fire. Thus far, he has found no evidence suggesting foul play.

"The names of key witnesses were taken, should further questioning be required, but preliminary interviews have revealed nothing suspicious," Welker said. "It was a pretty slow day. At the time of the fire, there were only five people in there: Jenny Kroeger and her two kids and an elderly couple from over on Franklin Street."

Sudsy Duds owner Mike Birbiglia arrived within minutes of the fire.

"Normally, the basement is actively pumped dry, but the sump pump apparently broke or was unplugged," Birbiglia said. "Well, we think that's what happened. Who knows? All we know for sure is I got one heck of a mess to clean up down there."

In spite of the unlikelihood that the incident was a terrorist act, Birbiglia said he plans to hire guards from Safe-T Security of Euclid to patrol the premises after closing.

"I'm sure it was nothing," Birbiglia said, "but if it's all the same, I'd rather not take any chances. Last thing I need is somebody trying to mess up my store just as I'm about to put in those new triple-load washers."

Attempting to calm a jittery nation bracing for the next terrorist attack, President Bush said there is no cause for alarm.

"The Euclid fire appears to be an isolated incident unrelated to terrorism," Bush said. "But next time, we might not be so lucky. That is why we, as a nation, must do everything we can to drive out Saddam Hussein and his ilk. By confronting terrorism head-on, we can once again live in a nation where we don't jump every time a dryer buzzer goes off."

Bush said Euclid officials will remain in close communication with state and federal government agencies.

"If they find any proof of terrorist activity, all levels will be notified," Bush said. "Now, everyone go about your day as normal."

Link to article in The Onion:

LINK: http://www.theonion.com/onion3906/terrorism_not_likely.html

*****Post# 26812-2/23/2003-01:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: POD Question about Cool Down
MESSAGE: Today's POD mentions a unique cool down. Reading this I realized I didn't know how such a thing was performed. In a machine with a solid tub it's just a matter of an overflow rinse, but how is that done in machines with a perforated tub? Is the machine pumping out a part of the wash water and then takes in cold? Or is there another way? I guess it shows I didn't grow up in the US ;-)

Louis

*****Post# 26813-2/23/2003-08:16 ||| Shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down
MESSAGE: If I remember the machine would drain the wash water out till the tub was half empty,then fill with cold water.This would happen three or four times before it would spin. This was on a 1962 Kenmore. I had a 1969 Whirlpool that had an extra long drain time that would cool the wash down before it would spin.I hope this is the correct info. Shawn.

*****Post# 26815-2/23/2003-09:00 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert, I hope that this is simple. Another person wrote to me and said the loud "machine gun" sound could be a bad cam. It only did that once the first time I noticed it, and hasn't since. The loud noise I hear now maybe is the the switching of the drain, as it only happens once. What is your take on the cam-or anyone elses? Don

*****Post# 26816-2/23/2003-09:59 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer.
MESSAGE: To me, it is annoying that they put those pictures up, for a Maytag dryer. The dryer is where in those pictures? Geeze!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2309607495&category=20714

*****Post# 26817-2/23/2003-10:09 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Guess what came...
MESSAGE: It Came! The little beauty came!It is better, and worse than I expected. I got Pics and a 15 miute video. I don't know how to post the video though. (It is on a camcorder.) It has a few problems, the timer will often get stuck when trying to go into or during the spin. The suspension is off to one side. It makes a loud noise when speeding up to full spin speed. The last thing is that the pump is leaking water out of the waterfall lint filter spraying and drpping everywhere during spin and drain. Help me! What do I do? Call a repairman? Help!

*****Post# 26818-2/23/2003-10:56 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Honey, I'm home ...
MESSAGE: The computer died and went to the shop for 5 days ... I have gone through Applianceville withdrawl ... no POD for postings for 5 days ... God, I've been in hell! I missed you guys!!!

*****Post# 26819-2/23/2003-11:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer.
MESSAGE: Sometimes these eBay ads are quite annoying. I remember a Kenmore set that was sold as a GE set. And I think it was last week that a Whirlpool set was sold as a Kenmore set. What I also find pretty annoying are these very dark pictures so you can hardly see what they want to sell. I guess you could mail then and ask to post the right pictures.

*****Post# 26821-2/23/2003-13:35 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Honey, I'm home ... (Honey, I'm home )
MESSAGE: Oh I know the feeling it sux.
I was without a computer for awhile and it drive me crazy missing this club
Jetaction
Peter

As I recall, the first cool down process that WP/KM came up with (Wash-n-Wear cycle) involved simply doing a repeated partial drain (until the pressure switch reset) and refill with cold water for one two or timer increments. There was no agitation. The timer motor ran during drain, but not fill, so that number of times the process repeated depended on what water level was used (how long the partial drains took).

Kenmore at some point modified it so that agitation occurred DURING the cold refill (at low speed), which was always fun. I don't know if Whirlpool ever had that kind of cool down.

Then the process was modified so that it was a partial drain, refill with cold (no agitation), agitate two mins, then repeat. Whirlpool had a knit cycle for a while that was a one-step agitated cool down. Whirlpool also later modified the two-stage cool down on PP to a single stage. I recall when the timer was replaced in our 1976 Whirlpool, the replacement timer had the single-stage cool down on PP, instead of the double cool down that was on the original timer. The Knit cycle still had the one-stage cool down.

I recall the first GE I met in the 1970s had a perforated basket, and the cool down was simply a very long cold spray that began immediately at the start of the first spin. The Kelvy at John's warehouse also does that, I think.

My aunt's solid-tub Speed Queen also had a cold spray (I think), and the Durable Press cycle was otherwise just a shorter version of the regular cycle. Spin speed was controlled by a switch separate from the timer, so it was the user's responsbility to select slow for Durable Press.

Maytag had a partial spin-drain, then refill with cold, and possibly agitation. Somebody more familiar with Maytag can provide the details. I recall mention of something about the timer sequence that could sometimes throw the process out-of-kilter.

My F&P does a complete drain, then refill with cold and a minute or so of agitation.

Whew! That's a lot of steps!
I never use the perm.press cycle, it seems like it would use a heck of a lot of water! All of our shirts are cotton anyway. :-)

Ken D.

*****Post# 26824-2/23/2003-15:12 ||| JohnProkos (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Corox Burner/Element
MESSAGE: Hello, how lucky am I to find this list! I recently was given my grandmother's farmhouse. She had an old Westinghouse electric stove she got for free from the local school - it was there home economics stove. No one ever thought it would last this long but it has. Unfortunatley the other night i noticed a crack in the front burner- this seems potentialy dangerous. It also seems to be almost cracked all the way through. I would like to replace it with another one, but don't know where to look. The model information on the stove is: Type D64-48, Serial H146131, Volts 120-240, Style 1350397. The knobs are 5 position and the burner seems to have two element leads. The burner itself measures aprox. 7-3/8" in diameter. It is not the typical plug in kind of course, it has a huge porcelain block and the wires are attached with screws. Hope someone has an idea. I would like to stick with a similar look if possible since it is an antique.

Thanks for any input or advice.

Regards,

John Prokos
jplists@bellsouth.net
Bell Buckle, TN USA

There are some photos at the URL link
LINK: http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/p/jprokos/Westinghouse%20Range/

*****Post# 26825-2/23/2003-15:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who makes house calls?
MESSAGE: Hi Don, whether its a bad timer cam or bad contact touching the cam doesn't matter you should replace the entire timer as an assembly. I have successfully made repairs on timers before but its a hit or miss affair and a few times I made the situation worse. The loud noise your hearing is probably the drain diverter valve solenoid making its normal klunking sound, just doing it more than once because the timer is not keeping it energized properly.

*****Post# 26826-2/23/2003-15:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: Hey everybody, check out this MW Signature Set I saw a few ago at a sale. This set must be from around '65 or so...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Signature.jpg

*****Post# 26827-2/23/2003-16:05 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what came...
MESSAGE: Oh Jamie! I'm sorry that it's not in the best possible condition! Did it come with a warranty or did you buy it "as is"? If it came with a warranty then the place that you bought it is the place to start. If it came "as is" then you might try calling Sears to see if they still repair machines from that model year. If Sears no longer repairs your type of machine then the only thing that I can suggest is that you look in the yellow pages and see if you can find someone in your area who can bring this machine back to where you want it to be. Good luck and please keep us posted.

Mike

*****Post# 26828-2/23/2003-16:10 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: Interesting! I've never seen a Wards machine before. (Except in the catalogue of course. Montgomery Ward didn't have any stores in New Jersey as far as I know.) Those machines could use a good cleaning. I wonder if they still work?

*****Post# 26829-2/23/2003-16:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: How fun! A matched set, still hooked up to the utilities! I have seen that style of Signature washer before, but never a Signature washer with alphabet washing or a scrubber cap! Very cool.

*****Post# 26830-2/23/2003-17:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer.
MESSAGE: Did they correct the after you saw it? The auction is for a Maytag dryer, and that appears to be what is in the pictures. I have not seen that control panel style before, but it is definitely a Maytag, from the "Halo-of-Heat" era.

*****Post# 26831-2/23/2003-17:33 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer. (They Changed the Picture!)
MESSAGE: The original pic was for a Kenmore Washer. The new pic is for a Maytag dryer. You're right it looks like it's from the "Halo of Heat" era.

*****Post# 26832-2/23/2003-17:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Too Funny!
MESSAGE: Read the seller's description for this wringer washer, aside from the obvious age error, it looks like the seller might be looking for a date!

Post the pics!!!
Good luck with your new machine, you must be very excited.
I hope someone here can give you advice about fixing the machine. I'm no real help to you as I don't know anything about Kenmore washers. My guesses would be: sticky timer -> replace timer. Wonky suspension -> is it suspended on rods like the bigger Whirlpools? Maybe one of them was damaged in transit. Noise -> may be related to the suspension if the works are hanging wrongly. Leaks-> again, may have been damaged in transit, is it a cracked rubber hose, or a cracked plastic part? If it's a hose, they are easy to replace. Were any of these troubles apparent when you looked at the washer in the store? If not, I'd suspect transit damage.

Good luck with it Jamie
Chris.

*****Post# 26835-2/23/2003-18:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: This is cool - I wonder if the suds return still worked. There were several Signature models out on the SD farm from around this period, even a couple of 10lb solid tub washers.

*****Post# 26836-2/23/2003-18:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what came...
MESSAGE: That's too bad - hopefully you can get it fixed soon! Is water leaking from the pump or the hoses? I hope they are both easy repairs, remember to be careful when checking things out underneath. Good luck - Greg

*****Post# 26837-2/23/2003-18:46 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: comercial Garland Range 40+yrs old
MESSAGE: I am looking for anyone that can help locate a thermostat for a model 2-280, part # g01969-1 , They call it a saftey valve. This unit is 40+ yrs old. If anyone can at least point me in the right direction It would be greatly appreciated mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 26842-2/23/2003-22:09 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down (Maytag)
MESSAGE: The Maytag process set down in other posts is correct. And, after the last partial drain, there was a full drainout using a short, fast spin, rather than a slow speed spin.

Does anybody know if even early Maytags from the late 50s used this cool-down process? The earliest I ever knew of it was the 1967 redesign (family friends had a '67 avocado).

Interestingly, the commercial washing machines switched to a different method in the mid 1980s - a 2-3 minute pause between wash and spin. Never understood why they were different.

*****Post# 26843-2/23/2003-22:12 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM)
MESSAGE: Quesstion: Another family friend had a pre-programmed '61 Kenmore (you know, ABCD timer dial). It would switch to a gentle agitation for about 4 minutes, then drain at normal speed. Is that normal, or was her machine messed up somehow?

*****Post# 26844-2/23/2003-22:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM)
MESSAGE: Probably normal. One of my aunts had an alphabet near-TOL Kenmore that did the same thing.

*****Post# 26845-2/23/2003-23:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Honey, I'm home ...
MESSAGE: Todd I'm glad your PC is fixed. And welcome back. However, SOMEONE could have called me during that time , I would have helpe alleviate your withdrawl and kept you up to date as to what was going on.

*****Post# 26846-2/24/2003-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: ROBERT!!! This is the Monkey Wards set that corresponded to our 12/23/64 Norge 15. But ours didn't have the scrubber cap on the agitator top. I noticed this only had a bleach dispenser. And of course, the filter tray is missing at the back, they always wore out the big tooth that locked it into that recepticle at the back. Same gray colors as the washer across the street that was the 14 pound one that replaced the L110 Westy. This is the same household that eventually had the Hotpoint touch command dryer. Our machine also had the same 8 cycles and the soak cycle. Wouldn't be surprised the 8 programs matched exactly. Would have loved to see the cycle chart on the underside of the lid as well as a better closeup of the most left two knobs. That was an infinite water level for sure. Would have also loved to see what the dryer looked like. Yup, the dryer door was the same as ours though, along with the opening button above the door. Bob

*****Post# 26848-2/24/2003-00:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer.
MESSAGE: From the font on the timer dial for the numbers, it appears to be a dryer from the late 60s rto early 70ss before they enlarged the drum. This also appears to be an On Premises laundry dryer, whre the users didn't need to have a coin slot. Like in a nursing home or a small hotel motel laundry. Regualr fabrics was high heat, Perm Press was low heat.

*****Post# 26849-2/24/2003-00:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: You got that right anthony. I still pine for that multi position dryer door. Taht was ingenious. Wish Whirlpool offered that today. I loved the fact I could open it to the first position, plop the clothes from the washer as I was unloading it onto the dryer door and they would slide right on down into the dryer drum. No flinging of wet laundry into the dryer drum like today. Very civilized. And when the safety dwitch stuck, I could open the dryer door to begin hanging up perm press items while it was tumbling and nothing would blow out on the floor from that terrific blower mechanism!!!!

*****Post# 26850-2/24/2003-00:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down (Maytag)
MESSAGE: Chris, Maytag didn't offer anytype of cool down for Perm Press until 1967 or 1968. They were last ot offer such a feature. However, I fashioned my own type of cool down. I'd let it start spinning out the water and just as I could hear the water level switch reset while pumping out, I would advance the timer to the spray rinse (the snapping timer that is) and position it on the timer dial such that it would end up with another increment that would keep it in that spray rinse, of course with the cold water button pushed by that time to have the cold spray rinse since the warm water button also had a warm rinse. (unless the model had the rotating rinse temp dial on the left top of the control panel). Bob

*****Post# 26851-2/24/2003-00:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM)
MESSAGE: Nope, very very normal. At that time, the KM & WP w'n'w cycles were pretty much identical. Shiftr from fast to slow agitation at about the 4 or 6 minute mark. Then at cool down, would drain at normal speed and fill with cold water several times in a series of fills & drains without agitation. This was even the case for our next door neighbor that had a 1960 or 1961 model 70 washer that was non-alphabet. It was about 1963 or 1964 that Kenmore diversed from WP with a different sequence. It kept the normal agitation through out the wash cycle, then shifting to slow speed drain for the cool down. I vaguely remember a model 70 from 1965 that had a puase after the drain stopped (tripped by water level reset) and then the water was added and a slow agitation. I don't think until about 1968 did they change the process again to incorporate the "infamou" slow agitation whiole it filled up phenomenon. Whirlpool never did this, it was a Kenmore "exclusive".

*****Post# 26852-2/24/2003-00:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: The neighbors washer also had two cycles. Regualr and short. The short had 3 or 1 minute settings. The rinse sequence was also called the soak cycle. Like I said, it was only rated for 14 pounds. It had 3 wter levels, 4 speed combinations, and 5 water temp combos. No dispensers. The regular wash cycle time was limited to only 10 minutes max, where as this signature 15 & ours had a 12 minute "super wash" setting.

*****Post# 26853-2/24/2003-00:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM)
MESSAGE: Bob, I think he's asking about the Normal cycle, not PP. And yes, my aunt's Kenmore DID switch to slow agitation at the 4 min mark on the Normal cycle. And actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it switched back to normal speed at the 2 min mark. Wonder if this had something to do with the bleach dispenser activating at the 4 min mark??

*****Post# 26855-2/24/2003-03:49 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: A true match!
MESSAGE: I wish that this dryer was on this side of the earth!
It would matches the control panel to my harvest gold washer that I'm in the process of cleaning and testing to find out what is wrong with her, but I refuse to go downstairs to work in the basement until it warms up a bit!! My Kenmore big control panel.

*****Post# 26857-2/24/2003-07:43 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: Larry, I saw a set EXACTLY like this in gold in VT a couple months ago. I had not bought a truck yet and asked the appliance dealer to hold them for me until I could rent a truck and come back up in two weeks. I offered him money and he said no, no.........no problem I will set them aside and just call before you come, so thank god I did because he then said "They're gone!" He said he forgot......Needless to say I was pretty bummed......

*****Post# 26858-2/24/2003-11:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: That's interesting Bob, I never knew that. I have seen the numbered buttons on Norges in pictures, but did not realize they had corresponding match points on the dial. The later ones (at least the Signature ones, which I saw far more of) if I remember correctly, still had all the buttons, but I think they chose the speed and temp, and it was up to you to set the dial for time and etc.

*****Post# 26859-2/24/2003-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: That is a great idea, and I never knew until this club that Norge ever offered such a door. I always thought it was strictly a Sears thing (I didn't even realize Whirlpool had it 'til many years after the fact). I wonder why they ever switched it to side opening.

I knew someone that had a Her Majesty Signature with a side door. An early one, where the handle served as a "tilt latch". It had the tilted control panel with full width light which also backlighted the controls. It was a good dryer and she had it for years, but sometimes the door was kind of stubborn when you'd try to close it again, it didn't want to latch. The tumble/no tumble was on the control panel, not inside the door. It sounded like a vacuum cleaner when you used no tumble.

Years later when I got my first Sears with a drying rack, I was dumbfounded as to how that was going to work when I couldn't turn off the tumbling. I didn't know 'til I checked it out that they had changed over the years where the back part didn't move. The neat thing about those is there is a duct that catches the air and directs it up through the rack.

*****Post# 26860-2/24/2003-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer.
MESSAGE: Oh of course, that makes sense. I see the resemblance now to the panels on the coinop Maytags.

*****Post# 26861-2/24/2003-12:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: Bob, were the Norge/Wards machines popular in your area? I never saw much of anything Norge, I don't think there were even any dealers in our immediate area, though I'm sure there were in some areas of the twin cities. I didn't see a whole lot of Signatures either (I actually see them more now at sales) but I'm sure there were a fair amount since we had Wards stores all over and they would have good sales.

*****Post# 26862-2/24/2003-12:06 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: I may consider doing it, but I must find out the shipping charges before making the final decision!

*****Post# 26863-2/24/2003-12:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: The first townhouse we looked at in this development which was being sold by its original owner (30 years) had a matched set of these in white. I wanted to get that one, just for the w/d set! The one we finally got also had the original set but it was the very BOL that today they would call "Capri" or "Galaxy" or some such thing. There was no filter on the side of the tub, so it either had self cleaning even though it was BOL or none at all. Even the BOL then had the porcelain top and lid.

*****Post# 26864-2/24/2003-12:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: Greg I think I would go stir crazy if that happened to me....
This 1972 unit was the top of the line for its time with the Kenmore's triple dispenser feature. It's one awesome looking machine for that era and I wished that you would have gotten that set!
We must hope that there is another pair floating around with your name on it for you to pick up make a perfect home them!

*****Post# 26865-2/24/2003-12:25 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: I think it was called "Capri" back in the 70's for the BOL with the manual lint filter. I like to called them "Bare Bottoms" for the price Sears sold them for.

*****Post# 26866-2/24/2003-12:41 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: I've been looking for this ad for ages! I first saw it in a magazine years ago, and then lost the magazine someplace. The idea of the poor guy with the radioactive wash load is just too weird.

*****Post# 26867-2/24/2003-12:44 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Kaiser dishwasher ???
MESSAGE: talked to (dishwasher) through profiles in here. I told him his name caught my attention & asked if he had any info he cared to share on the subject. He was in only once to see if he could learn anything about the Kaiser dishwasher his parents had when he was growing up. Anyone ever heard of such a dishwasher ???

*****Post# 26868-2/24/2003-12:50 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: chat room
MESSAGE: I have tried a few times & this room does not get much attention, Im in there now but seems I am the only one who goes in. Did not notice the chat room on the home page.

*****Post# 26870-2/24/2003-14:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: Considering what is going on with North Korea and Iraq, I'm glad that more than a few of us have working Bendix washers in case of an attack! We'll be doing wash and listening to the soundtrack of South Pacific... Gonna wash that radioactivity right out of our clothes...

-ph

*****Post# 26871-2/24/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: We vacationed for two weeks in Wisconsin when I was about 7 or 8 and I got to see lots of basements and appliances on that trip. The lady we stayed with had just bought a Hoover spinner washer (replacing a wringer) and had this Signature dryer. I was fascinated with the door but never got to see it running. There was very little Norge and Signature around here, I didn't get to see any Norges running until I was in my 20's and had a Signature washer for a while.

There was also a gas model similar to this in the D.C. museum, there was something unique about it, I think that one has a modulating or variable burner. For a while during this time, Norge offered a lifetime rust warranty on the cabinets, materials only of course!

*****Post# 26872-2/24/2003-15:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A true match!
MESSAGE: When Jetaction (Don from Mpls.) was here last fall, we saw one of these washers at a thrift store. It was in very nice condition - and harvest gold too. Don't these have a timer dial light in the panel above them?

*****Post# 26874-2/24/2003-16:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (Don't try this at home!)
MESSAGE: With the "duck and cover" and fallout shelter attitudes of the time, this advertising trick probably sold more than a few machines.

I guess my Bendix washers can be the start of my 'emergency supply kit' we're all supposed to have now.

*****Post# 26876-2/24/2003-19:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Off topic, BUT THERE'S AN ICE STORM GOING ON OUTSIDE
MESSAGE: Glad I have an indoor laundry room to do the 3 loads I did after I got home from work so that I don't have to worry about the power going down

*****Post# 26877-2/24/2003-19:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: Scott, I saw Norges all around up until the mid 1980s. And of course, Monkey Wards versions too. Some people refused to buy anything from Sears for some principal, of what I'm not sure of.

*****Post# 26878-2/24/2003-19:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: THAT's the washer & drayer set my "grandparents" had, who also had the Youngstown dishwasher. Naturally, I was in appliance heaven when we'd go stay with them in Dallas.

*****Post# 26880-2/24/2003-19:52 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (Bendix's Atomic Washers)
MESSAGE: Bendix developed a front-loader with a small built-in nuclear reactor, the exclusive Atomic Heater, to heat the wash water to boiling without the need for gas or a 240V outlet. As a bonus, it would irradiate the clothing, killing any odor-causing bacteria.

These washers were installed at no charge in a new housing development for testing. Due to the weight of the lead shielding, the Bendix washers had to be lowered into the basement of new homes with cranes, before the houses were built over the basement.

The project was not a success. The test families all died of mysterious ailments weeks after they started using the machines, so Bendix demolished the homes, encased the washers in lead, filled the basements with cement, had everyone who knew about the program "disappeared", and destroyed every trace of the program. Tall fences with signs "US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY KEEP OUT" surround the former tract home development. Only now can the truth be told ;)

*****Post# 26881-2/24/2003-19:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: I remember on the auto dry cycles (when mom let me use them or I snuck the timer onto auto dry), I'd hear the burner make a noise as if it awas coming on, but it was already on, and it seemed as if the flame had gone down a bit from what it was at the beginnning of the cycle. So hmmm. I learned something new about that dryer.

*****Post# 26884-2/24/2003-20:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, BUT THERE'S AN ICE STORM GOING ON OUTSIDE
MESSAGE: The "train" is hanging in there. It's 25 outside to boot!!! I'm sure power will be disrupted sometime during the night, just like it did December, 2000. Hope that huge cottonwood tree in my backyard remains upright.

*****Post# 26886-2/24/2003-22:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: I bought a Thor appliance service manual on ebay and much to my delight, there was a clothes-dish washer sink combination that I'd never seen before.

I scanned a few of the pages quick to show tonight. The Thor Automagic is a fascinating appliance, more to dream about!

Click on the picture for the larger, readable version.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.src=ph&.dnm=Automagic+Sink+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Ads%2bArticles%2bBrochures%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26887-2/24/2003-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: pod
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, I agree - this is one of the machines I would love to find. Who couldn't love the Tip-Top control cover! This machine was introduced in 1956 and was only carried for 1 year when the design was changed again in '57 to top-rear controls.

Here is the link to the chat room:

Greg
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html

*****Post# 26888-2/24/2003-22:24 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice Maytag Dryer... Right that is a dryer. (Institutional Dryer)
MESSAGE: I thought exactly the same thing myself as soon as I saw it, Bob, because of the shape of the control panel, which is designed like the coin-op machines. Interesting how those commercial-use machines always ended up in someone's home. Friends of mine when they first got married inherited an early 70s GE washer from grandparents that had either no water level or no temperature, and had a bright orange pilot light under the timer dial...and special lettering marking it as Institutional/Commercial.

*****Post# 26889-2/24/2003-22:41 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: I saw one on an episode of Extreme Homes on House and Garden Television. I've actually seen the episode more than once. It's with the show's original host Wendy something or other. It was in a house that was built of steel blocks. The washer/dishwasher/sink was original to the house. They didn't say who made it, but they showed it set up as both a dishwasher and a washer. They didn't say if it still worked. The first time that saw it, I rememember thinking: "Why would anyone want to wash dishes and clothes in same tub in the same machine!?! Yuck!" I do have to admit that it is a fascinating concept.

*****Post# 26890-2/24/2003-22:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM - only drained once)
MESSAGE: ...except that after the slow agitation, Mrs. Thornton's washer drained only ONCE and drained completely, then went immediately into spin.

Several high speed partial drains would explain something that baffled me when I went looking at old Sears catalogs at the library and saw a description of my parents' first washer - a 1961 middle of the line Kenmore. It was one speed only, but following the "You Get More With a Kenmore" philosophy, had a wash-n-wear feature on it, which the catalog entry explained was highly unusual for that model, and apparently a special offer.

Thanks for clearing something else up for me: I always wondered what the early 60s WPs did!!! Bunches of friends and neighbors had the mid grade model that looks like a Frigidaire control tower (circa 1962-1964), but none of these Whirlpool owners ever used their Wash-n-wear cycle.

Bob and DADoes: You remember the late 60s WP Imperials that had the double cool-down action? They also had a Super Wash on the PP cycle, instead of just on the Regular cycle, as in later years up to the present. In Super Wash mode, there was a fast agitation, followed by a slow agitation and several slow partial drains as DADoes set down in an earlier post (when he talked about the pressure switch controlling the amount of drains. Then the just as you thought it was going to switch to normal speed and drain all the way out, the thing would move *back* into slow speed agitation...*and do it all over again*. Way kewl.

*****Post# 26891-2/24/2003-22:54 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down (Back to Normal??? Hrmmmmm)
MESSAGE: That would be a yes, DADoes - the Cottons and Linens cycles worked as one would expect for that vintage; no slow agitation.

See my reply to Bob's post. The action on our friends' '62 Kenny was similar to present day Whirlpools, actually, except for going straight into a slow spin. Was that how your aunt's worked?

Do you remember seeing an early 60s model on silent auction at John's warehouse that Saturday night of the convention? This was the one with the alternating colored and white squares - blue for A, then white for B, then yellow for C, &c. It was sitting almost at the end of one of the middle rows. Anyhowsomever, that model matches the subject of this post perfectly. Did your aunt's look like that?

*****Post# 26892-2/24/2003-22:56 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, BUT THERE'S AN ICE STORM GOING ON OUTSIDE
MESSAGE: And headed our way, Bob. We are supposed to have sleet out here in Alabama until about 4 a.m.

Batten down the hatches!

*****Post# 26893-2/24/2003-23:00 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: pod (Drainaway rinse)
MESSAGE: Im guessing the drainaway rinse the ad speaks of is the same action as Westy Laundromats used for decades, where the clothes are sprayed before the first spin?

*****Post# 26894-2/25/2003-00:10 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: Thank you so very much for the pics of the Thor Automagic Sink. I never knew that they had offered the Automagic Sink, only the Automagic Washer/Dishwasher. Had always wondered how one would go about changing the tubs back and forth, now I know! :-)))

Would love to see more pics of the rest of the Thor Service Manual, but only when you have the time to scan and post them.

Here's to (hopefully) a quick thaw for everyone...and no more white stuff falling from the sky!!!

*****Post# 26896-2/25/2003-02:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: A lot of people probably thought yuck, and I think that's why they always pointed out that "nothing that touched your clothes ever touched your dishes" or something like that. I've only known of one person who had first hand experience with one of these, and they did not have the dishwasher, which was an optional accessory. I guess it was quite good as a washer, however. Imagine being able to overflow rinse your clothes for as long as you want! :-)

*****Post# 26897-2/25/2003-04:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: Isn't this a cute thing? I would love to play with one. Thanks for sharing!

*****Post# 26898-2/25/2003-05:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1953 stove soupwell question
MESSAGE: This Frigidaire stove that is on sale has a soupwell. I have seen this before on other stoves, but my question is, do you take away an element to put the soupwell in it, or is this just a stove with three burners and a soupwell? I guess that soupwell has it's own heating element in the bottom?

*****Post# 26899-2/25/2003-07:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (That is so interesting Greg! Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I bet that operation instruction are as rare as the machine!
Thanks for posting.
Does it say anything about the specs. of the two different tubs? Like weight? I would think that the was tub for the clothes would be somewhat heavy. I guess that you would get great looking arms from using this machine daily for both your clothes and your dishes from the workout of changing the tubs.
Thanks for sharing!
Brent

*****Post# 26900-2/25/2003-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1953 stove soupwell question
MESSAGE: On my range with the soupwell, the element is lowered by hand to the bottom of the well and then the kettle inserted. If it were clean, I'd take a picture for you ;-) With the element up, you can use it as a normal burner and just use the kettle when you need it.

*****Post# 26901-2/25/2003-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (That is so interesting Greg! Thanks!)
MESSAGE: I didn't see anything about the weight of the tubs, the dishwasher tub specs mention "lightweight" stainless, but when Scott was here two years ago and we saw one in a museum, the washer tub was fairly heavy and then there is the oil-filled balance ring that goes in first... A mini-workout for the homemaker! I would think it would still be better than the back breaking work of laundry "the old fashioned way!"

*****Post# 26902-2/25/2003-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink
MESSAGE: This book also includes service info for the automatic washers and dryers which had just been introduced. I was a little surprised to find that the automatic washer used virtually the same mechanism as the washer/dishwasher.

An interesting part of the dishwasher was that the mechanism allowed for lower part of the tub to spin at the same time the water "scoop" assembly was oscillating to spray the dishes. All with only 2 quarts of water too!

*****Post# 26906-2/25/2003-08:45 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, BUT THERE'S AN ICE STORM GOING ON OUTSIDE (Ice rink)
MESSAGE: Ice and snow coming to Tennessee also-it would be a good day to wash a few loads in a "new"Frigidaire custom imperial!4 spin speeds-wow.

*****Post# 26907-2/25/2003-08:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (That is so interesting Greg! Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Brent, back then you washed on Mondays. (in theory, maybe actuality), the rest of the time, you kept the dishwasher tub in it. The man of the house would change the tubs I guess Sunday night in preparation for the housewife to do wash on Monday. LOL

*****Post# 26909-2/25/2003-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, BUT THERE'S AN ICE STORM GOING ON OUTSIDE (bring in the pets and appliances)
MESSAGE: The storm is supposed to hit GA later today. Over the weekend, I found a '68 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe washer at one of my places. I guess I will have to pick it up and save it from the wrath of the elements, but I have NO ROOM!!!

Thanks again for responding. Now I don't feel so "out of it" and am now in serious search mode for some classic machines. I enjoy reading about everyone's adventures and hope to share some of my own in the near future. It's also reassuring to know that if I need advise finding parts, etc. there are people out there to help!

And here I thought everyone on this website had a garage full of mint classic washers & dryers! Now I don't feel so bad.

I do have to say I am mechanically inclined and now have renewed faith to start searching for a classic washer & dryer. I just learned of an appliance graveyard about a 2-hour drive from here so can't wait to explore it and hopefully bring something home to play with!

I'm so happy to see the outpouring of responses to my email. I love reading about everyone's comments and "finds" and hope to share some of my own soon.

And speaking of Wash-Ins, when is the next convention? I saw some messages that said it was going to be in Boston but no more details than that. Do you happen to know?

Thanks and take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26913-2/25/2003-12:28 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (Montgomery Ward Signature Set)
MESSAGE: Wow! What a find! I would have driven from California to Minnesota to buy these two. I'm looking for Wards Signature '62 or '63 but these would do nicely for me! They must be around '65 as that's when Wards changed the way the "Signature" logo handwriting appeared.

I'd love to learn more about this place in SD. I saw it on someone's video and it looked like paradise! Where exactly is it in SD? And if there are more Signature machines there, I'm very interested -- I've been looking for early 60s Signature washers & dryers and haven't had much luck here in California.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon,

Todd

*****Post# 26915-2/25/2003-13:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Hi to UK!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, Washerlover! Best wishes on your search for classic appliances, and if you are mechanically inclined you will have a leg up on making them run and keeping them running! There are so many folks here as you've already surmised that can help you with questions about parts and various procedures and other things. Enjoy!

*****Post# 26916-2/25/2003-14:30 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Hi to UK!)
MESSAGE: Hi Fellow Northern Californian
Where is this appliance graveyard in Northern California. I live in San Francisco and there are no graveyards that I know of. Even finding a second hand appliance store is a rarity.

*****Post# 26918-2/25/2003-15:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (South Dakota Appliance Grave Yard)
MESSAGE: The Appliance Grave Yard in SD is being cleaned up and hauled off due to environmental concerns and other isssues.

I am searching for a Frigidaire refridgerator door seal, only to not have any luck locating the correct design. The store where I purchased my fridge from can not (or has not) located one either. Everything that looks close I am told "no, that's not it"... Can I use something close? Does it matter? This is my main/ only fridge so I need it to work efficiently. I would prefer to keep it "correct" but function must come first since I use this baby. I am not even sure how to identify my exact year/ model. It is a single door item, I am guessing from the 1950's. If there is a tag or plate somehwere- please let me know, or if you want, I can send pics. Thank you for your help!

I have someone checking into a graveyard in South Sacramento. Will keep you posted!

I did find a second-hand store in Ukiah last month. (I live up in Lake County -- moved up here 3 years ago from the Bay Area) They had a few interesting appliances there. Definitely worth checking in every month or so to see "new" inventory.

*****Post# 26927-2/25/2003-21:55 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1953 stove soupwell question (Frigidaire Stove Soupwell or how I spent my summer vacation)
MESSAGE: When I was 8 or 9, my parents rented an old farmhouse in Tannersville, Pennsylvania for our annual two week summer vacaction. We spent a lot of time swimming, and hiking and rowing boats, etc. Pretty exciting stuff for a lifeline City slicker. Mom didn't get a vaction from cooking and there was a Frigidaire electric stove with a pot that dropped into a recessed burner at the left rear of the cooktop. I had never seen anything quite like it before and to say that I was fascinated by it would be an understatement. The baking and broil elements in the oven and the element for the recessed burner looked like springs that glowed orange when they were turned on. (Yep! I was fascinated by those too.!) The other three cooktop elements were the familiar looking electric elements. The stove was about 36" wind and had one signal light for the burners (including recessed one) and another for the oven.

I've seen similar recessed pots (including at least one for a gas stove) and at least one recessed pressure cooker on www.antiqueappliances.com. Now that I'm older, I'm still fascinated by this arrangment, but I can't imagine wanting one. You effectively are reduced to having three cooking surfaces on the stove top. I don't always use the same size pot or pan and there are times when I need to use all four burners. (I have a gas stove.)

I actually remember seeing this ad in one of my mom's magazines when I was a kid. A neighbor and one of my aunts had Frigidaire pusators. I was always fascinated by those and tried to convince mom that we should replace our 1960 boring Maytag (who wants a washer that stops everytime you open the lid!) with a Frigidaire Jetcone. Needless to say, I didn't get very far.

*****Post# 26929-2/25/2003-22:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1953 stove soupwell question (Frigidaire Stove Soupwell or how I spent my summer vacation)
MESSAGE: Mike, on the Frigidaire (and on most ranges of this type that I know of) you can remove the recessed pot and it can be changed into a regular surface element, so you would still have the four, if you didn't want to use the deep well cooker.

*****Post# 26930-2/25/2003-22:39 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set
MESSAGE: Hi Scott. Haven't sent much to the discussions, I know. Havn't been on the net in a few days. Truthfully, Norge and Wards were never the biggest sellers, but we did own a timeline when I was a kid. Down here in Shreveport, beginning in the late 50's-early 60's, the local gas company began hawking Norge gas dryers with the drop down in the front exhaust door(eliminated the need for the correct outdoor vent) and the pilot light that was accessed inside a small door that lifted on top of the dryer. These models were financed by the gas co. with monthly payments on the bill. Hundreds of them were sold through the early 70's until gas co. started selling WP. Norge developed a bad reputation for quality during those years. At everyone's house I knew that had one, it was always paired with a you guessed it-Kenmore or Maytag. I know I haven't contributed much here, but it's just a little piece of my past.

*****Post# 26931-2/25/2003-22:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down ('61 or '62 KM - only drained once)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool's two-stage Perm Press cool down went well past the early 1960s, and wasn't limited to the Imperial line. Our 1976 Supreme 80 had it -- until the timer was changed to a replacment that had a one-stage cool down, and I think with 4 mins of agitation instead of two to use up the space on the dial.

The Super Wash I recall had up to six minutes of agitation at high speed (on both Normal and PP), did one partial drain (until the water level reset), then paused the rest of the timer increment and continued on to refill for the main wash. I vaguely recall there was an additional two minutes of pause (a pseudo-soak) after the partial drain on my grandparents' late 1960s Supreme 80 (before the Supreme 80 was an 18-pounder). Our Supreme 80 had Super Wash only on Normal, and I don't think it had the extra two minutes of pause.

I don't recall a Super Wash as you describe, but I very well could have missed it!

*****Post# 26932-2/25/2003-22:59 ||| Tommyr (Blaine, WA)
SUBJECT: Fridgidaire Compact 30
MESSAGE: Can anyone help us find a thermostat for our beloved Fridgidaire Compact 30 , Model# BC 30L, Serial# 2C-117506? Our baby is in mint condition and part of the family. We can't locate a thermostate and need help from an expert.

thomasrivers@hotmail.com

*****Post# 26933-2/25/2003-23:42 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (Washerlover: Where to go instead)
MESSAGE: Just make sure that should there be a convention this year, you show yourself up. You got stuff there better than any junkyard. You will kick your own behind 100 times and cry 96 tears if you miss it.

*****Post# 26934-2/25/2003-23:51 ||| Max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: rca stacking frontloader
MESSAGE: Hi: Great to find this site. I have just seen an RCA FL stacker that has a weigh to save door and the model on the inside of the door is WSE 400. Any ideas? Westinghouse, but from what period?

*****Post# 26935-2/25/2003-23:53 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down (Those Whirlpools Were Tight!)
MESSAGE: Welllllll, I saw this Perm Press Super Wash on a 1967 model only, and it was a few short years ago I saw it.

It just sunk in that your family had a '76 model - the same year as my Dad's Harvest Gold beauty. I remember that washer doing only one partial drain, pausing, and refilling.

It's been almost 10 years since I last witnessed an old Whirlpool going through its paces - someone help me remember if rinse agitation was slow also...

*****Post# 26936-2/25/2003-23:58 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question about Cool Down (Those Whirlpools Were Tight!)
MESSAGE: Yes, rinse agitation was slow as well, My Whirlpool is a 76 model and has the same stats. Actually I was just reading the lid while I was down in the basement. and it lists a super permanent press wash. (which mine doesnt have) the last four minutes of the Perm Press cycle is slow speed and from there on in, it's slow speed throughout the entire rest of the cycle..

*****Post# 26940-2/26/2003-01:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Frigidaire Jet Action
MESSAGE: My godfather's wife had one of these washers, but it was in white. It replaced a WO65. I loved it as it gradually switched spin speeds for the final spin. This same machine was replaced witha 1/18.

*****Post# 26942-2/26/2003-04:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: POD (Slap.....)
MESSAGE: The POD is so good that I must SLAP the announcer for telling me to see my General Electric dealer, and you will never wash anything by hand-except yourself!

Greta, these mens are so.... fresh!

*****Post# 26943-2/26/2003-05:13 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Hi to UK!)
MESSAGE: Half the fun is in the anticipation of starting and expanding your collection! I know there are a couple of machines from my childhood and earlier which I'd love to find some day, and I'm going to be like a kid in a sweet shop when I finally have room to bring something home.

The mechanical aspect is something I'd like to teach myself once my collection begins, again that's something I'm pretty excited about too. I can only imagine just how satisfying it must be to take a junked appliance and turn it into a showpiece.

*****Post# 26944-2/26/2003-07:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Slap.....)
MESSAGE: I love it. ".....washing system so powerful ...... so relentless .... dirt cannot hide". Hmm, yup, that fast 100 short stroke per minute activator. Not as bad as a shredmore, but fabrics didn't survive tons of washings I bet. I've often wondered, what was the difference in accumulation of lint in the filter-flo pan for the original GE design with FF vs. this "new" design with the quicker agitation. Granted my 1978 GE washer used the same design and fabrics weren't treated as badly as with the current shredmore, but I did notice seams popping on sweats and other knitty type of stuff, so I would do those on gentle too. But I also felt the ramped activator's resulting wash action was a bit more gentle than the straight-vane activator I had in my machine.

*****Post# 26945-2/26/2003-07:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (South Dakota Appliance Grave Yard)
MESSAGE: Hi Todd, click on this link to see pictures of the SD graveyard as it was when I first discovered it...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst?.dir=/Z_Sacred+Junkyard&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26946-2/26/2003-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mini-Basket in today's POD
MESSAGE: Check out how little the mini-basket is in today's picture of the day. I believe this is the very first model to introduce the basket. I would love to see this machine sometime, I think the ad is from '63, possibly '64.

*****Post# 26947-2/26/2003-09:28 ||| chrisfa1 (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: Gas Refrigerator Warning
MESSAGE: If anyone is still using antique gas-fueled refrigerators, you may want to read this warning from the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

LINK: http://www.esafety.com/esafety_cfmfiles/esafety.cfm?N=804

*****Post# 26948-2/26/2003-09:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Slap.....) (GE Lintorators)
MESSAGE: In most loads, you will get a lint ball in the Filter-Flo that is about 3/4 inch in diameter, or 2 or 3 lint balls about 1/4 - 1/2 in diameter. Because of the ramp and the angle of the fins, this machine is not a big lint producer, IMHO. The clothes get moved by the suck of the water going around the ramps, not by the fins themselves. Now the straight vane Activators are a different story. Gansky can address that.

-ph

*****Post# 26949-2/26/2003-09:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (South Dakota Appliance Grave Yard)
MESSAGE: Here are my pics from when I was there with Gansky and FilterFlo last June...

*****Post# 26951-2/26/2003-09:55 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (Convention)
MESSAGE: You bet I'll be there! I was drooling over the photos of the last couple conventions!!

These photos are awesome! Thank you for sharing them with me. Is it true that this place is being dismantled? I'm sick over it. I hope the one in Phoenix is still intact because I'm planning a trip down there soon and was also considering heading over to SD to check this place out.

Thanks again and my search continues!

Take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26953-2/26/2003-10:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: GE Agitators
MESSAGE: Pardon my stupidity boys as I have not worked on a GE top loader yet, so I have a few questions now that I have three! I just found a GE dispensall with the straight vane agitator. Can this agitator be switched out with the GE swirl type? AND How do I get the darn thing off? Thanks, Mark

Your pix are to die for. And did you find your "glamour pair" there as well? What luck! I'm so jealous! Do you have updated photos of these?

Can anyone confirm if this place is still there? I'd love to go.

Thanks and take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26955-2/26/2003-11:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Agitators (replacement tips)
MESSAGE: Grab the bottom and yank up hard. Most of them were snap on/snap off. If not, you will have to cut into the top of the agitator and see if there is a screw holding it down.

When swapping out GE agitators, you have to look out the number of splines in the agitator drive shaft. Seems to me that they had some with a different number than others, like one was 16 and one was 24, something like that.

-ph

*****Post# 26956-2/26/2003-11:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this Montgomery Ward Set (South Dakota Appliance Grave Yard)
MESSAGE: No, no Glamour Pair for me. All the machines up there are in ROUGH shape, and that's putting it nicely. I got a Philco Dryer and a Frigidaire Laundry Center (skinny-mini agitub), along with various parts.

The place is really picked over now. There isn't much there that even a die hard restore master would ever consider. If it isn't completely rusted out, then it is sun faded and brittle. Or it is in the middle of the place surrounded by 50 refrigerators that would be impossible to move. You might want to go just to stand in the middle of the place for a moment of silence for all the lost machines, but you can do that in the comfort of your own home. It was really depressing -- literally, a field of broken dreams...

Thanks for the info on the place -- I guess I'm not missing as much as I thought but it sure would be fun just to look around at everything. I remember as a kid when we used to go to the local dump all the appliances would be set aside for people to take or use for parts. I used to love to look at everything.

Well, so much for South Dakota. I'm still searching for a place like it in California.

Take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26958-2/26/2003-13:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Making beer in a washer
MESSAGE: Someone posted this on the appliance forum. It qualifies for here since the machine he is using is 35 years old. Too bad there wasn't a picture. He lives in Germany and I'm wondering what sort of toploader he is using!
LINK: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/custom/fringe/sfl-225beer,0,7022823.story?coll=sfla%2Dnews%2Dfringe

*****Post# 26959-2/26/2003-14:32 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: February 26 POD (GE Mini-Basket washer)
MESSAGE: Did this ad come from an American magazine, or did it run in a country where English isn't the primary language?

The text, lacking any contractions, has a middle elementary grade reading level, as if it was meant for an audience that speaks and reads English as a second language.

"On Friday, July 14, 2000, a refrigerator began leaking sulfur dioxide (SO2) gas when an employee accidentally damaged the freezer coil while defrosting the unit. The incident occurred in a room on the 6th floor of Bolton Hall. Two employees were exposed to the irritating gas and they called for assistance. The room was secured and the University Police promptly responded to this emergency. "

"Milwaukee Fire Department responded to a call for assistance from the University Police and set up a command post along Maryland Avenue and assumed control of the scene. Upon gathering additional information regarding the situation, the Milwaukee Fire Department decided the incident was better suited for the Hazardous Materials (Hazmat) Response team. Maryland Avenue was closed between Kenwood and Hartford from approximately 11 AM until 3:30 PM."

"The MFD requested the building be evacuated by the University Police in case any more SO2 escaped during removal of the refrigerator from the building. After evacuation was complete, the Hazmat team mobilized and proceeded on removing the refrigerator from the building at approximately 2:30 PM."

"This was a General Electric Type V-5-C 'home-style' refrigerator, capacity of 1.75 pounds of SO2 refrigerant."

"There are several key features that will help to quickly identify whether a refrigerator may have sulfur dioxide or ammonia refrigerant:

"Sulfur dioxide, as well as ammonia and methylene chloride, was used as a refrigerant gas of choice in the 1940's and early 1950's until less toxic freon gas (now known to be environmentally unfriendly to the Earth's ozone layer) became widely available."

"We estimate that disposing of this old refrigerator on an emergency basis cost the campus in excess of $15,000 (including the lost time of the employees who were told to evacuate the building)! "

Just stumbled across a website called "used.recycle.net" -- has anyone seen this and if so, has anyone had any luck finding anything on it? It looks interesting and was wondering if anyone had any experience in dealing with it.

Just came across Whirlpool washer & dryer on ebay. Judging by the metal lid and dryer handles, they are probably late 70s models? I'm trying to track down the model numbers to see what the year of manufacture is. I might bid just for fun.

Todd

*****Post# 26967-2/26/2003-18:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Twins on ebay
MESSAGE: Could you post a link? I could not find it under Whirlpool washer or washing machine. Thanks!

*****Post# 26970-2/26/2003-18:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Twins on ebay (Link)
MESSAGE: Found them this time, thanks! That dryer is probably from the late 60s, the washer is a little newer, maybe from the early/mid 70s. On the dryer, the trim piece below the control panel is a giveaway. If that even survived into the 70s, it was only the early 70s. At some point, they changed from having the timer printed on a plastic disk that rotated to having the markings printed on the machine and only the knob and pointer turned. Both of these have the "plastic disks" which is the older style timer.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2309081985&category=20714

Sorry again about not being able to get that link to work. I just heard from the seller (I asked for the photos) and they don't look like they match after all even though he insists they do.

I remember those old plastic dials -- they always wore out so you couldn't read everything.

Thanks for the info and what the heck -- I may bid on them anyway. Think they're worth it? I guess I have to start my collection somewhere!

Take care,

Todd

*****Post# 26972-2/26/2003-18:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Twins on ebay (Link)
MESSAGE: If you don't have to go too high, and you live close enough to them to pick them up yourself, it might be fun. You can always pass them on later if you find other things you'd rather keep, folks here do that all the time! Even an older Whirlpool washer is always a good utilitarian find for someone, since the parts are still available to fix them up.

*****Post# 26973-2/26/2003-21:14 ||| max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: rca wse 400
MESSAGE: Hey: This sight is such a great find. A couple of days ago, after finding this site and realizing that I'm going to start collecting(more than the two justifiable units of washermania I now own) I came upon a FL that is RCA and has a weigh to save door. The model # inside the door is Wse 4oo. Any ideas as to the period this is from. I think I remember a unit like this at a friend of my parents in the early 60's?
Any insight greatly appreciated!

*****Post# 26974-2/26/2003-21:15 ||| max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: rca wse 400
MESSAGE: Hey: This sight is such a great find. A couple of days ago, after finding this site and realizing that I'm going to start collecting(more than the two justifiable units of washermania I now own) I came upon a FL that is RCA and has a weigh to save door. The model # inside the door is Wse 4oo. Any ideas as to the period this is from. I think I remember a unit like this at a friend of my parents in the early 60's?
Any insight greatly appreciated!

*****Post# 26975-2/26/2003-21:16 ||| max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: rca wse 400
MESSAGE: Hey: This sight is such a great find. A couple of days ago, after finding this site and realizing that I'm going to start collecting(more than the two justifiable units of washermania I now own) I came upon a FL that is RCA and has a weigh to save door. The model # inside the door is Wse 4oo. Any ideas as to the period this is from. I think I remember a unit like this at a friend of my parents in the early 60's?
Any insight greatly appreciated!

*****Post# 26976-2/26/2003-22:57 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I was at a local educational institution today, and outside their science building there were some old appliances that apparently they are getting ready to discard.

An old Amana chest freezer. And a Sears Kenmore "Six Hundred" top loading dishwasher. The dishwasher looked to be in very good cosmetic shape, with the inner white porcelain tub looking in fine shape. It has a lid that lifts, of course, and a lower wash arm, then the basket, and then what looks like a loop kind of upper washarm. It has four pushbuttons on the left, with little lights, that say "Light", "Short", "Normal" and "145 Degree Sanitize". I have the exact model # and the S/N as well.

Is this something a collector here might want? If so, I could enquire at the school and see what they are planning to do with it.

The chest freezer looked fine on the exterior. Rounded sides and top, all porcelain enamel inside/out. The interior has some rusting. I don't imagine there are too many chest freezer collectors; and I'm not sure I'd want one from a science department ;-)

*****Post# 26977-2/27/2003-00:55 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Rotoverso Machine:
MESSAGE: Has anyone in the Club ever heard of this type of Machine? I don't know for sure if I spelled it's name correctly. I spelled it the way that the person I was talking to spelled it to me. I was talking to someone on Wednesday Night and they told me about one they used to have. They sold it a few years ago for $275.00 and it sold right away, as they said on a whim of the chance of attempting to sell the Machine. It has a Brass Tub and a Paddle Mechanism and I guess a Manually
Hand-Turned Wringer assembly.

I would really appreciate any and all info that someone might know about this Machine. I hope everyhone is doing all right and are having some decent Weather. My area has had into the 60s and some Sunshine that past several days, not to make anyone feel bad.

Best to all, Steve
SactoTeddyBear

*****Post# 26978-2/27/2003-06:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03
MESSAGE: This is a great looking machine.
What type of wash action did it have?
Does not look like the typical Kelvinator's from the past.
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 26979-2/27/2003-07:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Rich, that is definitely a collector dishwasher. The "kinda loop upper wash arm" was what caused the upper rotorack to both rotate and wash the upper rack. You didn't mention an upper round rack. Is it missing?? Sounds like it was the model right below the Lady Kenmore.

*****Post# 26980-2/27/2003-07:04 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher (top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I have been searching for top loaders, I am not a collecter(YET) I just have a huge interest in them. I am looking for one to add to my breakfast bar in my kitchen. A front loader makes is difficult to get around behind the bar when it is open so a top loader is what I am looking for. Any info or pic's you could send me would be greatly appreciated. Because I live in Ontario Canada shipping might be big $$ but who knows if the machine is in fair shape & price it might be worth it. I have referbished a few already & have not one at the present time (I need a project) Thank you for your time & conciderations Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 26981-2/27/2003-07:15 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Top Load dishwashers
MESSAGE: It appears finding a cool top load dishwasher is going to become a major project in itself. Does anyone know of used appliance stores with web sites that I can add to my list of daily search. Apparently I got the vintage dishwasher bug. If anyone can help me with this addiction I would appreciate any info & pic's possable . Thanks for your time Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

I too am an old dishwasher buff. I am going to try and network with some of my area home improvement companies. I plan to draft a business letter and craft business cards. I'll then mail them to the local home improvement companies and offer a small reward for specific dishwashers.

Often times in older homes, people will hire these professionals to come in and refurbish kitchen cabinets, counter tops and floor coverings....and sometimes, replace old appliances! I figure, for the small investment in letter writing and business cards, it could generate some return of collectable appliances.

I'll keep you posted!

Shawn in Huntsville, Alabama

*****Post# 26985-2/27/2003-08:19 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (indexing tub)
MESSAGE: Greg
What was the purpose of the indexing tub?what advantage was it supposed to supply,or was it more to set these machines apart from other brands?
Tom

*****Post# 26987-2/27/2003-10:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (indexing tub)
MESSAGE: I think it was just a peculiarity of the transmission design that caused the tub to move in increments as the machine agitated. Seems to me I heard someone say that if Franklin added a certain spring to the transmission, the indexing would not happen. What I find interesting is that the tub moved in one direction when the agitator turned in the opposite direction. Westinghouse used this to its advantage with its ramp agitator, so that the agitator was able to suck more clothes under when the tub moved in the opposite direction. I don't know how good this worked with a straight vane agitator like what was in the Kelvinator.

-ph

*****Post# 26988-2/27/2003-10:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Does anyone have a Franklin?)
MESSAGE: But does anyone have a true Franklin transmission in their collections? I don't even remember seeing one in DC.

-ph

*****Post# 26989-2/27/2003-13:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Westy Betty video
MESSAGE: I just downloaded part one of the 2 part Westy sand commercial from our video library. Is it me, or is part one cut short? It stops just as they are starting the washers.

*****Post# 26991-2/27/2003-15:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Me Too!)
MESSAGE: Good thinking for finding the kitchen appliances! I did a flyer and cards when I was first hunting for washers & dryers and did get several responses from rural appliance shops & service companies. I had a call from a guy in Newton, IA that had several old Maytag dryers on hand, but didn't see much of anything too old anymore. I asked him about Frigidaire and he just laughed. ;-)

*****Post# 26993-2/27/2003-16:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (indexing tub)
MESSAGE: From the parts diagrams I've seen, the agitator in this machine is one most will recognize.

I had an early 80's, but same Franklin design Kelvinator that was left in my first condo. I was excited to play with it when I moved in, but it turned out to be a pathetic washer. The agitator was the root of the washing problem - here's a couple of pictures of one like I had. The vanes at the bottom aren't very effective and the ones at the top served no other purpose than to get the top of the shaft dirty - as you'll see. This is not my agitator, just one I found like it. Mine never got this bad, it wasn't around long enough.

I hope this POD "Franklinator" washer was better than my early 80's machine. They usually scored low, if not last, in the rankings. That hideous indexing tub...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.src=ph&.dnm=WCI+Kelvinator.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bFun%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 26994-2/27/2003-16:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Betty video
MESSAGE: This was a two part commercial when it aired on TV. At the beginning of the show they start the washers, after the show ends, they present the sparkling triumph of the Westinghouse washer over the bucket of sand.

*****Post# 26995-2/27/2003-16:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Betty video
MESSAGE: Yes, but I remember more of Betty speaking about returning at the end of the show for the results. On the download, the women push in their cycle knobs and the video ends abruptly, like it was cut off. Not a graceful fade to black at all. Part 2 is complete.

-ph

*****Post# 26996-2/27/2003-17:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (indexing tub)
MESSAGE: After their despicable trick of placing Westinhouse innards in Frigidaire cabinets, WCI then used this "Franklinator" as a Frigidaire agitator for a number of years in their second gen of WCI Frigidaire washers. Horrifying.

*****Post# 26997-2/27/2003-17:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Betty video
MESSAGE: Yes, I see what you mean - viewing directly from the site, it just froze. When I saved it, it stops abruptly.

Yes, there is no upper round rack in the machine, just the lower rack. Also it looks like some plastic is missing from the upper rear of the tub, I have no idea what the pieces were for. There's just some rivets with some broken pieces of plastic attached, in front of a hole in the back.

The machine might not be complete. Bob mentioned that it's missing the upper round rack.

*****Post# 27000-2/27/2003-18:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher (top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Oh, and I forgot to add: this is a roll-away model. Complete with a faucet adapter and a retractable power cord.

*****Post# 27001-2/27/2003-19:19 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Ms. Alwood)
MESSAGE: Gee, Milton is only 10 miles from the house. I'm over there at least twice a week. Don't see them listed in the phone book. I had a distant cousin do a Tide TV commerical years ago. I often wonder if the people in the ads are who they say they are.
Tom

*****Post# 27002-2/27/2003-19:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad.)
MESSAGE: That is really sad.
What was the year that they changed over from the wonderful wash action that the Kelvinator had?
You know the really sad part is, I don't think many of the people that bought this brand even knew that they switched wash actions!
That agitator looks really sad Greg! I can't figure out what it was supposed to do but turn the clothes around in the tub. Like a circle motion.
Greg are you Kelvinators that you and Jimmy found up and running? Or have you at least played with them? Or has that GE Amerciana stolen your heart?
Thanks Peter and Greg for the answers!
Brent

*****Post# 27003-2/27/2003-19:33 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher (top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I appreciate the time but II have seen the Kenmore top loaders & find the GE much nicer, Still have not seen a KA top loader so still have something to look forward to. I am hoping for a split top rack GE or KA. There are pics out there I would not mind seeing , a Youngstown & James are names I have heard of. I appreciate your time. Michael

*****Post# 27004-2/27/2003-19:35 ||| Via500 (St. Louis)
SUBJECT: RE: Gas Refrigerator Warning (Beware of old fridges with sulfur dioxide refrigerant too)
MESSAGE: Freon22 (let's see Dichlorodifluoromethane or there abouts) arrived in or about 1932 in the midst of the "monitor top" style of refrigerators. So not all refrigerators with the "thing on top" stink when ruptured. I would also suspect a few were converted to Freon22 over the years. So who died from a few ounces of S02?

*****Post# 27005-2/27/2003-19:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Where is Jimmy? (FilterFlo?)
MESSAGE: Hey,
Where is Jimmy? He has won all of this wonderful stuff on eBay and gone on these wonderful trips, and stopped telling us about his exciting life!!!!
Where are you Jimmy? Out of the country?
Let us know what is going on!!!
Post Pictures!
Brent

*****Post# 27006-2/27/2003-19:42 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Me Too!)
MESSAGE: Shawn It appears I need to do more than just the local paper ad's 1 response. ONE Bummer still looking though. Michael

*****Post# 27007-2/27/2003-19:45 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Where is Jimmy? (FilterFlo?) (FilterFlo & top load dishwashers)
MESSAGE: It seems he has vanished, Was looking forward to corosponding more with him, He must be a busy guy. Michael

For those of you that own a fridge like this. Put cans of your favorite beverage in the drawer underneath the freezer. You'll get the chilliest cold drinks of your life.

At dinnertime everyone swipes a Coke out of the "Lil' Ice Box".

*****Post# 27009-2/27/2003-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad.)
MESSAGE: I believe that American Motors sold off the Kelvinator appliance division in 1968. The very first Kelvinator branded washers that were outsourced were from Norge, we saw a couple of these at the SD farm (pics in my album of a brown Norge-made washer) but that only was for a year or so and then the machines were Franklin clones after that.

My (true orbital action) Kelvinator is up and running just fine - I love that washer! The GE is still downstairs, for now, and I use it for some things but it's such a water hog that I try to limit how much I do in it. With a full hot wash/warm rinse load, I can drain 50 gals of water from my tank and then have to stop washing so it's just a little to wasteful for my washing tastes, but it is fun to watch now and then.

*****Post# 27010-2/27/2003-21:39 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher (broken plastic,)
MESSAGE: Is the broken plastic on the top right side of the dishwasher? We had a 1967 Lady Kenmore top loading dishwasher and that is where the detergent dispenser was located, a twin cup piece as I recall. Right below that was a round plastic nut that you unscrewed to pour in Jet Dry. Hope this helps.

*****Post# 27011-2/27/2003-22:25 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Gas Refrigerator Warning (Beware of old fridges with sulfur dioxide refrigerant too)
MESSAGE: Shirley Jackson (from "The Lottery") had a really funny chapter in her really funny book "Life Among The Savages" dealing with just this situation. The refrigerator went bonkers when she was out picking up the kids, and had to be hauled away.

*****Post# 27012-2/27/2003-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Where is Jimmy? (FilterFlo?)
MESSAGE: Brent, Jimmy may be snow bound somewhere. Rich had a concern about this that we talked about last weekend. Bob

*****Post# 27013-2/28/2003-00:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Where is Jimmy? (FilterFlo?) (He's doing great - not to worry)
MESSAGE: Got a note from Jimmy today, he's fine and planning another trip but will return in time to start the spring estate sale season at home. He said he would send pics of the exciting finds on his CA/AZ trip soon.

*****Post# 27016-2/28/2003-05:13 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Photos!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the look at the Kenmore 600 TL DW . Have seen one just like it before . The top rack had to be removed to get to the bottom rack. Still have never seen pic's of a KA TL. spilt top rack.I hope it is like the GE where 1/2 the rack is attached to the lid & comes up when opened. FilterFlow has one & was going to send me a pic but not yet. Must be a busy guy. Glad to hear he has not vanished from the face of the earth

*****Post# 27017-2/28/2003-05:26 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad. and mmy sentiments also )
MESSAGE: I also have a water hog .. I believe a 1970 20# Norge with the burp filter and a 1-18 since I live out in the woods its uses way way way too much water so I use it only to lift my spirits when I am depressed. my regular washer is a frigidaire front loader which is enviromentally friendly. I still need to work on my Rapid dry frigidaire have to replace the water bellows but have not figure out how to get the clip that holds the bellows off ..got the agitator off but that clip on the bottom has me stumped .. not to mechanically inclined can some one give me some insight?

I thought the solid tub machines were quite economical in water usage.

The Australian made Kelvinator used an orbital action till 1971 and it was the most water efficent machine in the 1971 choice test.
LINK: http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/arrrooohhh/vwp?.dir=/Choice+1971&.src=ph&.dnm=Kelvinator.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/arrrooohhh/lst%3f%26.dir=/Choice%2b1971%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 27019-2/28/2003-06:30 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Where is Jimmy? (FilterFlo?) (He's doing great - not to worry)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg!
Tell him we asked about him if you talk to him again.
Brent

*****Post# 27020-2/28/2003-06:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad.)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Glad to hear that you are using your Kelvi, and that you are happy with it.
Have you taken any pics of it in action?
I can't get over that your GE used that much water. That is way too much!
Brent

*****Post# 27021-2/28/2003-06:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Photos! Cool!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures.
That is a very cool dishwasher! Love that Lady Kenmore styling.
I wonder if when you selected your wash type with the buttons, if it lit up over it? I Love the lights!
Brent

*****Post# 27023-2/28/2003-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (snap ring on Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Hi -
There is a snap ring (about three inches in diameter) around the base of the bellows that needs to be compressed together to open. There were special tools from Frigidaire for this job - and the oil bellows too. You might check with some old appliance stores in the area to find them - they were quite common.

*****Post# 27024-2/28/2003-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad.)
MESSAGE: The GE is a perforated basket washer, but because of the huge outer tub, it used approximately 50+ gallons for a normal load. If you combined the normal cycle with a pre-soak/wash cycle and added an automatic extra rinse, you could easily use 100+ gallons!

*****Post# 27025-2/28/2003-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Photos!)
MESSAGE: Cool appliance, too bad that upper rack is missing. It looks like it's in good shape other than that though. Are you planning on taking it home?

*****Post# 27026-2/28/2003-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (snap ring on Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Go to the hardware store and buy a C-Clamp. You can use the C-Clamp to depress the ring slightly, then take a tiny flat bladed screwdriver and pry between the split in the ring. I use to do this all the time before I had the water and oil bellow snap ring tools.

*****Post# 27027-2/28/2003-08:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint pic of day
MESSAGE: This is the exact same machine my mom had when I was born. My sister has a photo of me at about age 4 standing on a footstool peering down into the machine as it washed. It also had a fluorecent light on the back panel. The black agitator had a red cap to match the red flex tips on the three straight-vane fins.

*****Post# 27028-2/28/2003-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (snap ring on Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: You can also use a big channel-lock pliers to squeeze the ring enough to unstap it with a small screwdriver...

-ph

*****Post# 27029-2/28/2003-09:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (GE design)
MESSAGE: Remember that the GE was designed with a stationary outer tub that was basically part of the cabinet. The inner tub was flexible to accommodate out of balanced loads. Because of this, there is a lot, and I do mean A LOT, of space between the outer and inner tub. In most other brands, the outer tub and inner tub were both movable, or moved as one piece together, and so there could be much less space between the tubs. I think in the Frigidaire 1-18, there is about 3/4 an inch between the outer and inner tub. In the GE, there is 2-3 inches. That's alot of water. And the outer tub also takes the out of balance beating -- most have rusty rings around them where the inner tub scraped and chipped the porcelain away.

-ph

*****Post# 27030-2/28/2003-09:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (WP TL DW)
MESSAGE: I might could be talked into letting this go to a good home...

*****Post# 27031-2/28/2003-09:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Franklin Kelvi)
MESSAGE: I think the purpose of this agitator was to cause splashing so that the little homemaker would maybe think that her clothes were getting the same treatment in the new Kelvi as they got in the AMC Kelvi. What other reason could those 5 big top fins be there for? I would love to see this agitator work in a non-indexing machine.

-ph

*****Post# 27032-2/28/2003-10:45 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Photos - Kenmore 600)
MESSAGE: Thanks. I'm not really into old dishwashers, so I'm not planning on taking this one. If anyone is interested, I could enquire at the school and see what their plans for it are. Then if appropriate I could put an interested party in touch with them to arrange purchase/shipping.

I think it's kind of cool that this one is a roll-around model. Perfect for older kitchens that don't have a built-in dishwasher hookup. This one probably needs some mechanical work, in addition to spiffing up the cosmetics.

*****Post# 27033-2/28/2003-10:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Photos! Cool!)
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure, from the looks of the lights, that they would have lit up when the button below them was pushed. Otherwise they just could have used a simpler label.

This one was probably used to wash lab glassware. Too bad most science departments don't also wash their own fabrics. :-)

*****Post# 27034-2/28/2003-11:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint pic of day
MESSAGE: Now that is a picture we would love to see!

From what I remember reading in Consumers Reports or from some Family Circle magazines, they were called ten vanes instead of five!?!?

I just don't know why when you looked down into the tub and see only five with an extended hump on the top... I guess they counted ten when moving back and forth or did they count the blades as half, five at the bottom for cleaning and five on the top for sloshing???

All I know, Kelvinators and Gibson were oustanding performers when it came to extraction than any other machines according to CR.

*****Post# 27036-2/28/2003-11:26 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint pic of day
MESSAGE: That would be great if you can find that machine around today so that you can experience what I have when I found my little portable Kenmore that I've grew up with a few months ago!

Oh...., what great joy to have her around looking spiffy for a little over 25 years machine! But mine was in avocado, not white. But it's still the same!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst?.dir=/My+new+collection&.src=ph

*****Post# 27037-2/28/2003-11:43 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint pic of day (Hotpoint pic of day )
MESSAGE: We had the Hotpoint from the same era with the lid that came off (looks like a hamper door) U can see it in most wanted
Peter

*****Post# 27038-2/28/2003-11:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Franklin tranny vs. WCI tranny)
MESSAGE: If I have time tonight, I will post the Kelvinator history from my Repair-Master book. It has all the dates and iterations of the machine.

I was just having an offline conversation with one of our esteemed members and this thought hit me. As I have posted before, in my freshman college year of 1981-1982, we had Westinghouse topload washers in the dorm. The main laundry was on the roof, but in the basement, there was a small 5 washer/5 dryer laundry with older Westinghouse washers. The ones in the basement FLEW -- very brisk agitation and fast spin. The newer machines on the roof were just "blah". So one of two theories came to my head: 1) the washers in the basement had a smaller, commercial pulley to increase the speed, or 2) the basement washers were true Franklin tranny machines and the roof washers were WCI. I bet theory #2 is right...

*****Post# 27040-2/28/2003-11:56 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Agitators
MESSAGE: Most likely you can, but extreme care must be done not to damage the spline on the shaft!

You'll need a rubber mallet to loosen the agitator if it is frozen to the spline on the shaft, then put both hands under each side of the base of the agitator and pull straight up!

Good luck if it's stuck like my portable Kenmore or my big top control panel washers, then you will have to pull until your arms get tired!

After removal, spray with *Liquid Wrench* preferred or WD40 which works better than petroleum grease so removal will be easier later on when you do the quarterly removal for lint underneath the activator according to the manual....

*****Post# 27041-2/28/2003-12:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Slap.....)
MESSAGE: I know this is somewhat off topic, but what is the current SPM
with the new GE?

Whirlpool/Kenmore DD is 120 SPM, so what is GE's?

*****Post# 27042-2/28/2003-12:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Slap.....)
MESSAGE: I would love to see that 8 straight vane washer in action!
From what I remembered, with the six vane activator, it slapped the clothes like mad with those extended vanes on the length of the activator, but the pulling power(suction), was greatly reduced because of those same big vanes reducing the water current that rollover fully loaded was slow to a crawl because of it! I've seen it happened in my cousin's Hotpoint washer with 6 vanes, three large happy slapper and three small clothes scrubbers going at 100 SPM!

*****Post# 27043-2/28/2003-12:36 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (GE design)
MESSAGE: I didn't realize GE was designed that way until somebody mentioned it recently. How long was that design used?

As I recall, our 18-pound '76 Whirlpool could use up to 42 (or maybe 47) gallons for a full load. Possibly more on PP, with the two-stage cooldown.

*****Post# 27045-2/28/2003-12:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (GE design)
MESSAGE: I think it was carried over from the solid tub design. It was in use until the new plastic design was introduced a few years ago. A loooooong time and lots of water!

-ph

*****Post# 27046-2/28/2003-13:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Franklin Kelvi)
MESSAGE: Some of the early Beam machines (Coronado, Hotpoint, etc.) used a similarly designed agitator with the large top fins too. They differed in that the early ones had much larger vanes at the bottom - probably much more effective.

I used to hold the tub of the WCI Kelvinator I had, but it made little difference in the wash action - pathetic agitator.

*****Post# 27047-2/28/2003-16:42 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (Franklin Kelvi)
MESSAGE: We had a neighbor that had a TOL Monkey Wards with a solid tub and a huge black agitator that was completely perforated and a beautifully lit control panel! The agitator looked like a Kelvinator. In agitation it sloshed so much that by the end of the wash cycle, there was very little water in the tub, but the clothes WERE sudsy and clean. I used to babysit their 5 children and would do their laundry! She loved going out on Friday nights and returning home to a clean house (I'd get the kids to clean it up!) and her laundry was done! I think this machine was most likely Norge built, but it lasted her for quite a number of years so maybe it wasn't as I have never seen a Norge last that long with that kind of use. I have never seen an agitator like that one since. It was in the late 60's as I recall. Mark

*****Post# 27048-2/28/2003-17:04 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Why?
MESSAGE: Why are all dryers belt drive? I have never heard of a direct drive dryer, why? Wouldn't they last longer? You would have to worry about belts snapping. It makes no sense to me.

*****Post# 27049-2/28/2003-17:04 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Why?
MESSAGE: Why are all dryers belt drive? I have never heard of a direct drive dryer, why? Wouldn't they last longer? You would have to worry about belts snapping. It makes no sense to me.

*****Post# 27052-2/28/2003-17:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Kelvi history from Repair-Master
MESSAGE: During the years from 1966 up to and including 1975 the Kelvinator has used three different designs of transmissions. Prior to 1966 the Kelvinator washer did not have a transmission. Wash and spin action was accomplished with the aid of direction torque springs and an eccentric agitator shaft that rotated the agitator in a circular arc, rather than the type of motion we are accustomed to as used in other agitator washers. During 1966 and 1967 a new type of transmission was introduced, but some models during this period were manufactured with the old type agitator and components. To make it easier to identify the text which follows, we will refer to any washer produced up to 1966 as EARLY MODELS. From 1966 to 1968 transmission almost identical to the Norge transmission was used, this will be referred to as the 1800 series. From 1969 to 1973 a Franklin transmission was used, this will be referred to as Franklin type. In 1973 White Consolidated Industries took over Kelvinator and introduced another type of transmission; this will be referred to as the W.C. type which actually is the G series. The utmost of care must be taken when working on the W.C. type transmission. The W.C. tranmission spins with the tub, similar to the Maytag transmission, and injury can result if care is not taken when observing the mechanism for service.

Copywrite 1975
Master Publications, Inc

*****Post# 27053-2/28/2003-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvi history from Repair-Master
MESSAGE: Wow - So many different Kelvinators - the true Kelvinator orbital action, the KelviNorge, Franklinator, and the "WC" (aka toilet) in later years...

My Kelvinator Repair Master is a little older, the first sentence is "These machines are completely automatic." ;-) Does your book show service instructions for all these different designs?

*****Post# 27054-2/28/2003-21:40 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic-of-the-Day 2-27-03 (How Sad.)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
Don't forget that US gallons are smaller than Aussie/imperial gallons - the 32 gallons in the Aus test is about 36 US gallons. The 50 gallons mentioned was the GE not the Kelvy. That generaton of GE not only had a perforated basket, but unlike most perf basket washers, the outer tub was HUGE, with a very large clearance between inner and outer tubs, causing them to have a very high water consumption. Most perf basket washers have minimal clearance between tubs to minimize wasted water.

Best Wishes
Chris.

*****Post# 27055-2/28/2003-21:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvi history from Repair-Master
MESSAGE: Yes, this Repair-Master covers all 4 designs. The book is a bit more than 1/2 inches thick.

*****Post# 27057-3/1/2003-00:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Why?
MESSAGE: With a belt, the same motor can drive both the blower and the drum. Also, the belt probably makes it easier to position the motor away from the heat source. Dryer motors tend to last a long time. On an electric dryer, the heating element or controls seem to go first.

*****Post# 27058-3/1/2003-00:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Top Loading Dishwasher (broken plastic,)
MESSAGE: Check out the photos on the link I posted. The twin detergent dispenser seems to be there, but in the upper middle of the rear inner panel, there's a rectangular hole that seems to be missing its plastic cover. Maybe that was just an air vent for drying?

*****Post# 27059-3/1/2003-06:38 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Why? (my guess )
MESSAGE: My guess would be that we could not fit them in a standard area since it would have to be deeper with a larger motor to accomodate that drum size and weight of wet clothes

I am trying to remember when I took apart my Frist Frigidiare if it had a belt to motor, it had to have Had to take it apart cause the drum broke off it within 4 years.

I was so pissed that I wrote elextrolux and after numerous emails I got a 400.00 check for the tag. I should edit the emails and post them for you all its quite funny.

*****Post# 27060-3/1/2003-07:19 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Got a email from him, all is great, he went to get some warm weather & sunshine. He will return mid March. He said to say hi to everyone in here. Has lots of pic's to share.

*****Post# 27062-3/1/2003-16:02 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: General Electric name plate
MESSAGE: I am looking for a metal General Electric name plate. If anyone has any idea of where to get one of these I would apprectate the help. mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 27063-3/1/2003-17:43 ||| RE563 (Ft. Lauderdale)
SUBJECT: In Search of Frigidaire 1-18 set
MESSAGE: Wanted to know if you guys could help me out. I'm Looking for a Frigidaire 1-18 washer and dryer. I live in a condo so getting one to restore is out of the question.

*****Post# 27066-3/2/2003-00:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home
MESSAGE: Excellent find!! Have you plugged it in yet? Be sure to let us know how you like the hot water spray rinses!

Is this the wringer washer that your parents found for you? Looks like fun too.

*****Post# 27068-3/2/2003-02:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home
MESSAGE: Peter, congratulations! I LOVE those Art Deco style Speed Queens. It looks though there is an awful lot of restoring to be done. Good luck! BTW, that Westy dryer, is it from the seventies?

Louis

*****Post# 27069-3/2/2003-09:19 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home
MESSAGE: What a handsome machine. Congrats! It's going to take a lot of hard work -- especially with all that rust -- but it's going to be gorgeous once its fixed up. Have you tried it? Does it work? Please keep up to date with your restoration efforts.

Mike

*****Post# 27070-3/2/2003-09:28 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (Someone bought the Thor name and ...)
MESSAGE: ... is selling Thor washers and dryers again. The "history" section has some interesting pics. There's even an ad for a portable version of their washer/dishwasher combo! I'm guessing that it's from the 50's. Here's a link:

*****Post# 27071-3/2/2003-09:55 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: In Search of Frigidaire 1-18 set ((good luck))
MESSAGE: You may want to keep an eye out on ebay, there was a set out there not to long ago. Do they have any kind of magazine in your area that sells everything persay ?? And you may want to contact appliance dealers in your area and see if they will keep an eye out for you, you will have to offer money and give them an incentive and there is still little or no guarantee that they will come through for you (Don't ask me why). I had contacted at least around fifteen dealers in my travels (whereas I work "on the road") telling them I was looking for vintage appliances (you need to tell them what you are looking for specifically), I offered money and only two out of the fifteen, one especially, have called me and informed me of stuff they found. But sometimes you hit that one that will in fact be willing to help you out. I found two Frigidaire 1/18 washers overnight this way, could be awhile before that happens again, but whereas those machines were predominantly from the seventies, they are still out there, be prepared you may or may not have to fix them. Good luck to you, hope this info helps!!

*****Post# 27072-3/2/2003-10:00 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (cool)
MESSAGE: congrads Peter, very cool find, early fifties ?? I side from some cosmetic work, what does it need mechanically do you know ??

*****Post# 27073-3/2/2003-10:18 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: So, how'd it happen? (And what were they thinking?)
MESSAGE: How did Hotpoint go from being GE's upscale brand (once sold only in showroom dealers and NEVER at department or discount stores) to the bargain basement?

And what was GE thinking when they brought out the short-lived RCA (not to be confused with RCA Whirlpool) brand of major appliances?

*****Post# 27074-3/2/2003-10:27 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: frigidaire water level
MESSAGE: I know I know-this isnt the place for this-so I apologize up front-but someone remind me how to increase the water level 0n Frigemore FLoaders.
Thanks
Tom

*****Post# 27076-3/2/2003-11:22 ||| max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: pic of the day
MESSAGE: This cool looking machine is essentially the same thing that is sitting at a used building supply site. It is labelled as an RCA and has the model series number wse 400. Any ideas as to the time period. Should I grab it? The door is different on the washer, it is the weigh to save drop down door.

*****Post# 27077-3/2/2003-12:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: ????
MESSAGE: I see this Washer/Dryer on eBay a lot and I like to know, what is so special about this portable unit and why it is so popular?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2310714317&category=20714

*****Post# 27078-3/2/2003-12:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: So, how'd it happen? (And what were they thinking?)
MESSAGE: I recall Hotpoint being sold at the Gibson's discount stores around here in the 1970s.

*****Post# 27079-3/2/2003-12:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Go Peter!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
That SQ is a great find! Did you get it out of someones basement?
I also like your Westinghouse dryer! Are you using that one now? It is so classy looking!
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent

*****Post# 27080-3/2/2003-12:50 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Kitchen Planner (How Rare!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for that Ebay link.
That is the coolest thing that I have ever seen as far as demo stuff!
It is in such great shape also. I bet that tons of these were thrown away.
It looks as though that sales person that had this one took pride, and put it away for memories. Now someone else can enjoy it.
What a great find! Especially for the seller!
Thanks for the link!
Brent

*****Post# 27081-3/2/2003-12:53 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: So, how'd it happen? (And what were they thinking?) (All of RCA is owned by GE now.)
MESSAGE: Hello there,
Yes, all of RCA is owned by General Electric now.
Yep, all of it. This took place in the middle 80's.
RCA until then was actually still owned by the original family that started it way back when.
Brent

*****Post# 27082-3/2/2003-12:55 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (Thanks for the link Mike!)
MESSAGE: Mike,
Thanks for that link. That is a very cool looking combo machine!
The history of Thor was very interesting also.
Brent

*****Post# 27083-3/2/2003-13:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (WOW)
MESSAGE: PETER! That's incredible, its the very first Speed Queen!! Where did you find him? He's probably from 1952. I'm green with envy on that find!

*****Post# 27084-3/2/2003-14:02 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (WOW)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, Congratulations on the neat Speed Queen. You have some work ahead but what a beauty when it is done. Is the top made out of stainless steel? Also loved that Westinghouse dryer. How old is it? Love that window in the door!!

*****Post# 27085-3/2/2003-14:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home
MESSAGE: I love that Speed Queen emblem. It looks like she's spinning so fast that her hair is blowing in the wind!

Great find Peter, keep us posted how she's coming along!

Larry

*****Post# 27086-3/2/2003-14:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Is everyone alright?
MESSAGE: That's good news Bob!
At least we have something running in the house that brings peace to the soul! A washer, dryer or a dishwasher.....

*****Post# 27088-3/2/2003-18:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: New Stuff
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the kudos. While she was on her side, I tried moving the tranny's main pulley and she is frozen. There doesn't seem to be alot of rust or corrosion underneath in the workings, but the base is pretty rusty. It's going to take alot of effort to restore, no doubt. I think the tub is a goner, and I think the original agitator was the metal agitator with the vanes that go all the way to the top. The agitator in mine is black plastic and very smooth -- just about brand new, it feels like. I have no idea when she will get done. (Sorry guys, but washers are female in my book.)

The wringer is the one my family got for me. It is in my sister's garage in Rochester, NY. It has a high 3-vaned agitator inside, kinda like a SQ but he vanes are straighter going down from the top and across the skirt.

The Westy dryer I think is the same model year of that "pic of the day" with the little boy shoveling sand into it, but it must be a step or two down from the TOL model in the pic. It does work, but has been pre-empted for a Frigidaire 1-18 dryer.

-ph

*****Post# 27089-3/2/2003-18:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home
MESSAGE: Peter, MARVELOUS. What year is the A10? I've never sen a stainless steel tub rust like that. And now you have awringer to play with. And naturally, that westy dryer sends shivers up my spine. It's gorgeous!!!!

*****Post# 27093-3/2/2003-19:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (new SQ comes home)
MESSAGE: This is real Great - I love the SS top
Peter

*****Post# 27094-3/2/2003-19:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Go Peter!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
The ranges sound so nice. Were they in good shape? What was the color of the ranges?
You did not have your camera with you by chance to get snapshots of them?
I need to go see Mike, and also come and spend some time with you when you get some time. Do you remember what free time was? :)
Brent

*****Post# 27095-3/2/2003-19:53 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: Todays Westinghouse POD
MESSAGE: I can't believe it! You found it! The washer I remember from
when I was 5 or six years old. We had that Westy under the counter in our house in Boston. I remember the 2 dials. I used to watch that thing work. I would play with the dials every now and then. What I would do to find one of those machines now. We had a coppertone like the picture. Thank you for bringing back good memories.

*****Post# 27096-3/2/2003-20:01 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: ???? (Mini Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: I agree, it looks like something you would give to a child to put next to her easy bake oven. I doesn't have enough capacity to wash Ally McBeal's g-string!

*****Post# 27097-3/2/2003-20:47 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Why? (direct drive dryers?)
MESSAGE: It seems to me that if a dryer(I am no expert) were direct drive, the motor would have to be right behind the center of the drum, in back, and would increase the depth of the machine considerably, unless gears were used instead of belts, which, when they wore out or broke, would be harder to replace than any belt. Maybe a small rubber wheel on a motor shaft that spins the drum might be a direct drive, but you would have the problem of spin tension which the belt solves as the drive/alignment, and drum to shaft tension mechanism.

*****Post# 27098-3/2/2003-22:50 ||| Minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: 50's G.E. Refrigerators
MESSAGE: First time posting - great site & support group. I need help. I have a 57? General Electric Refrigerator. The freezer is on the bottom and slides out. The refrigerator shelves swivel out for use. I would like to see if anyone have any literature or manuals on for me to look at. The videos y'all (ok I'm southern) have are priceless. Thanks for any help you might have.

I am attempting to work on my 1967 Frigidaire Jet Action to replace the water bellows. I got the agitator off and have figured out how to get the clip off with the help of yall here now the nut that holds the water bellows on the agitator shaft.

IS it a Right Turn or a left turn ot get it off. Hate to beat this thing and break the thread or something?

*****Post# 27101-3/3/2003-07:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 67 Whirlpools
MESSAGE: I"ve been waiting for this POD to come back around. I wanna know, the set in the ad do NOT appear to be white in color. They seem to be more almond than anything. What WOULD you call that color?

*****Post# 27103-3/3/2003-07:54 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 67 Whirlpools (colors)
MESSAGE: Bob, there was an off white, almost a light caramel color called "Doeskin". Also, this was the year for "Sapphire". A stunning shade of blue.

*****Post# 27105-3/3/2003-11:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator removal question HELP (Red is right and whatever's left is left)
MESSAGE: On an early Volkswagen Beetle. The nut to remove the front wheel is left-loose, right-tight. On the right hand side it's right-loose, left-tight. Otherwise, the wheel will come off while you're driving.

Just some VW trivia for you all since I had a VW for a long time and learned how to fix it.

*****Post# 27106-3/3/2003-15:44 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 67 Whirlpools (colors)
MESSAGE: These models and this model year are my all-time favorite Whirlpool models/year. I would be a very happy camper if I could have a set of these in Sapphire! (Yes I know, I live in an apartment and have to make do with coin operated Neptunes, but to quote the New York lotto commercials: "Hey! You never know!" ;-))

*****Post# 27109-3/3/2003-19:30 ||| drmitch (Bradford, Tennessee)
SUBJECT: applianceville
MESSAGE: This is the best website and the most fun I`ve had in years!I have already had the pleasure of e-mailing some of you and everyone is so nice.I love tho old adds and the videos bring back lots of memorys. Thanks to all that are responsible for this site, and keep up the good work. (drmitch)

*****Post# 27111-3/3/2003-22:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?)
MESSAGE: You really have a beautiful collection. On the Maytag washer, did you wire the tub light to run with the control panel light? .... or when the dial light was on? C'mon now what's your secret?

*****Post# 27113-3/3/2003-22:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: applianceville
MESSAGE: Dr. Mitch, I enjoyed your pictures very much. You have a beautiful home and I love your range and refrigerator! The range setup brought back a lot of memories as one of my great aunts had that style of Frigidaire range, and she had the utensils on the wall above as you do, and the Pyrex percolator always on the rangetop.

Your story about the refrigerator was fun too. An aunt on my father's side had a late 50s GE refrigerator which she had contact papered as well. She did that sometime in the early 70s and used it that way in her kitchen until the mid 80s when she bought a new french door Whirlpool. She has passed on, but my uncle still has that old GE in the garage, contact paper and all.

*****Post# 27114-3/3/2003-22:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: applianceville
MESSAGE: Oh, and of course I meant to say welcome to the club, and to anyone else who may have joined recently that I may have missed.

*****Post# 27115-3/4/2003-06:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?)
MESSAGE: Greg, you jarred another memory out of my brain. The 1960s WP washer, I used to teach guitar to the two grandsons of a woman who lived nearby. She had the matched set of this washer. I used to be so torn trying to teach the kids their lessons and always hearing the "whirlpool whine" in the background. I must admit, at the time I thought the pair was kind "cheesey" given it was mid-line level at best, I thought everyone should have washers & dryers that were right at or right under TOL.

*****Post# 27116-3/4/2003-06:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?)
MESSAGE: Greg, you jarred another memory out of my brain. The 1960s WP washer, I used to teach guitar to the two grandsons of a woman who lived nearby. She had the matched set of this washer. I used to be so torn trying to teach the kids their lessons and always hearing the "whirlpool whine" in the background. I must admit, at the time I thought the pair was kind "cheesey" given it was mid-line level at best, I thought everyone should have washers & dryers that were right at or right under TOL.

*****Post# 27117-3/4/2003-07:36 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?(thnx))
MESSAGE: Thank you.....The Maytag fluorescent back panel light comes on with the switch to the left, which yes, also operates the tub light(it came that way). There is also an incandescent bulb behind the timer dial operated by the timer dial itself. My favorite thing about the older appliances is the lights.

*****Post# 27118-3/4/2003-11:44 ||| jimbo (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?)
MESSAGE: Yours is pretty close. The freezer door is in a ribbed stainless steel and the upper door handle is solid and goes full height. I'm sure there are a lot of variations. One of the things I like about this model is that there are coils in both compartments with no blowers to dry out the food. I'm sure this is very energy efficient. What we pay for style. I hope to have some photos soon.

*****Post# 27119-3/4/2003-15:37 ||| Spinarinse (England)
SUBJECT: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!!
MESSAGE: I was on the verge of seeking medical help with my washing machine fixation and here I find myself amongst like minded wash heads and others, who won't think I am unhinged becasue I own two washing machines. I am SO happy to have found this!!!!

*****Post# 27120-3/4/2003-16:11 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!!
MESSAGE: What kind of washers do you own? AND ...welcome to the club!

*****Post# 27121-3/4/2003-16:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Spinarinse! Tell us about the machines you own! What part of the UK do you live in? I know a number of "washer people" residing in the UK. I visited one of them in your beautiful country for the first time last year!

If I remember correctly, that's old enough to have the 4-wire compressor. I can't remember what the 4th wire was for.
Anybody know?

Ken D.

*****Post# 27123-3/4/2003-19:50 ||| minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (that 50's fridge is a hot mama)
MESSAGE: All I know is that the compressor is tucked in a tiny space and is very hot - I hope it doesn't burn out one day.

*****Post# 27125-3/4/2003-19:54 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! (I know that Feeling Also!)
MESSAGE: Hello there,
Welcome to the club.
I know what you are feeling.
I stumbled across this club this past summer.
I thought that I was dreaming, and was scared that I would never find the site again. Kinda like one of those "Twlight Zone" feelings.
What kind of machines do you own?
Brent

*****Post# 27126-3/4/2003-19:58 ||| minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's G.E. Refrigerators (like this?)
MESSAGE: Looked at your picces and your fridge is great - it has large shelves that swivel. Mine has a bar in the center and the shelf swivels around it. Can't get too much on each shelf. Also saw you have a sunbeam coffee pot. Many memories of my aunt making coffee in the kitchen. She was the ultramodern housewife. They had a combination washer/dryer and I thought it was so cool.

*****Post# 27127-3/4/2003-20:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Coppertone GE Top-load Mobile Maid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Here is a GE coppertone topload DW on Ebay, in Illinois. Says it was only used a few times a year. Looks to be in nice shape!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2310966059&category=20715

*****Post# 27128-3/4/2003-21:57 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! (welcome)
MESSAGE: I had nothing last year and joined last May, I have since collected around fifteen washers.........welcome to the madness

A warm welcome from a dutch member of this group. I know how you are feeling. I've been a member of this club for quite a while now and I still enjoy it very much. I bet you have a weak spot for Hoover?

Hope to see you more often here,

Louis

*****Post# 27132-3/5/2003-04:17 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: New Members
MESSAGE: I like to welcome all those who join from the beginning of the year up until now.....

May your whites stay white and your brights stay bright!
Nothing like a vintage machine that knows how to do them right!

I wish you all the best and may you find that dream machine that can bring you the most pleasure during the wash day blues.

Only two washing machines? I think that qualifies as desperately deficient around here. You should drop everything and go find yourself a few more. What are your favourites?

Welcome to the asylum.

Chris.

*****Post# 27134-3/5/2003-10:47 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coppertone GE Top-load Mobile Maid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Call me cynical, and I'm certainly no expert, but if that dishwasher is only "15-20 years old" , I must be just turning 21 ;-)

It's a beauty though.

*****Post# 27135-3/5/2003-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coppertone GE Top-load Mobile Maid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Oh yes Dan I thought the same thing when I read the description, LOL! Reminds me of when PeterH bought a 56 Frigidaire washer off Ebay that had no picture. The owner thought it must be at least 20 years old (or something like that, way less than what it was!)

*****Post# 27136-3/5/2003-14:56 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: Hey all
I stopped by my local Salvation army and saved

Kenmore 600
2 speed
Model# 6704601
Serial# 8385J706

It has the bakelite straight vane black agitator and SS lint filter

Normal, Gentle, Wash & Wear

New hoses .. Tighten the belt lubed it a little and CLR and runs like a champ that it was built to be

*****Post# 27137-3/5/2003-16:06 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: Welcome~! What do you mean by SS lint filter? I've heard of the waterfall type, and self-cleaning, but cannot place this one. Thanks. Don

*****Post# 27138-3/5/2003-16:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: If there is a 110 in front of the 67.... then it is a 1967 washer. Enjoy!

*****Post# 27139-3/5/2003-16:33 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Thanks for the year
MESSAGE: I ran a couple of loads today to clean it out and the sounds were from childhood ... the wig wag .. the hollow sound of all the water pumping out of the tub doesn't spin very fast but I don't think that year did spin real real fast .. anyway to kick that up ??

Will post pictures eventually have to get my camrea back from a friend of mine

Thanks
Philippe

*****Post# 27140-3/5/2003-16:41 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Hello Spinarinse and welcome to the club! I just discovered this site a couple months ago and have been in heaven ever since!

*****Post# 27141-3/5/2003-16:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! (This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! )
MESSAGE: Spinrinse
Welcome this is a real great club
I know you will enjoy
Peter

*****Post# 27142-3/5/2003-16:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks for the year
MESSAGE: I think the fast spin speed is like 550, so no it's not very fast, and it doesn't look that fast when you're watching it. The only caveat to my knowledge would be if your belt was slipping and needed to be tightened or replaced.

There was a 24" 1967 Kenmore at the convention last year in very nice shape that we were playing with. Nice little machine!

*****Post# 27143-3/5/2003-17:48 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: I am familiar with that VERY washer. That was one that I originally used when I have moved into my apartment back in 1987. From the sounds of the washer you have described, it is DEFINITELY a 1967.

Congratulations on a great find.

GREAT MACHINE!!!!!!

--Charles--

*****Post# 27144-3/5/2003-17:54 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, Spinarinse! I know exactly how you felt, we all have that fixation!

Rich

*****Post# 27145-3/5/2003-18:00 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks for the year
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see any pictures you have of this machine.

*****Post# 27147-3/5/2003-18:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: I know you know way more about this than I do Jason, and I think I understand the code as you explain it, but if that's the case, how come it's not 110.68..... ?

It comes from the serial number. First digit is the 68. Next two digits are the week of that year. I suppose one has to at least know (or guess) which decade is involved to target the correct year.

The model number may only reference a model revision year. The serial number is more accurate for the actual date of manufacture. The rest of the serial number further encodes, among other info, exactly which manufacturing facility did the job, but I don't know how to decode it.

Is the 4th digit a reference to the 5th day of the 38th week?

*****Post# 27149-3/5/2003-19:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Hi everyone I was going through some of the tons of old washer paper goods I've collected over the years and ran across a couple of letters I thought would be fun to share with Applianceville. Ever since I was nine years old I had been writing away to every appliance company I could get the address of and asking all kinds of questions. In the winter of '84 I sent a letter to both Sears and Whirlpool simply asking about information on the history of their washing machine. Here are the responses, both by the way typed on a typewriter!

March 13, 1984
Sears Robebuck and Co.
Sears Tower
Chicago, IL 60684

Dear Mr. Seger:

In response to your recent letter, we are pleased to send you a mini-history of the Kenmore washing machine:

The Kenmore name appeared on washing machines for the first time in the 1929 spring catalog. In 1930 fall, the Kenmore offered a choice between a porcelain enamel and copper tub. The Toperator unit control which put the wash, drain and wringer controls in one central location appeared on the Kenmore in the 1933 fall book for the first time. After 1935 spring, the Kenmore washer was not featured. It was re-introduced in the 1942 spring book. No washing machines appeared in the catalogs from 1942 fall through 1948 spring. The wringer-type Kenmore washers appeared after the war in the 1948 fall book. (It was learned from our buying department that the first Kenmore automatic washers were sold in retail stores in the spring of 1947.) It wasn't until the 1950 spring catalog that the new Kenmore automatic washers were mentioned as being "available only through Sears retail stores." The Kenmore automatic washer sold for the first time in the 1953 spring book. The washer came with the push button controls and a roto-swirl agitator. With fabric care demands changing, Sears presented America's first 2-speed automatic washer with "Cycla-Fabric" in the 1955 spring catalog.

The Lady Kenmore appeared in the 1957 spring book for the first time. It was the top of the line model and came in white, candy pink, sage green and sunshine yellow. The first washer-dryer combination called the Kenmore Turbo-Matic first appeared in the 1957 fall book. The Wash 'N Wear cycle was introduced in the 1958 spring catalog. Sears presented the first lint filter that cleaned itself in the 1959 spring catalog. The Kenmore with 14 cycles was introduced in 1960 spring, and was featured as the "World's first automatic pre-wash". The 1964 spring catalog introduced its first 3-speed washer. The Vari-Flex Agitator, "Like having 4 agitators in 1", appeared on the Lady Kenmore for the first time in the 1968 spring book. The wringer type washer appeared for the last time in the 1970 fall book. (Wringers and laundry tubs continued to be sold in the House wares Dept.) The Lady Kenmore in the new "Large Capacity" size appeared in 1974 spring book for the first time. The revolutionary (albeit ho-hum) Dual-Action agitator was introduced in the 1976 spring catalog. It was featured on the Lady Kenmore Large-Capacity washer and provided an average of 7 times more "roll-over" washing action than even the efficient Penta-Swirl agitator.

And now the letter from Whirlpool:

February 23, 1984
Whirlpool Corporation
Benton Harbor, Michigan 49022

Dear Mr. Seger:

We regret to advise that we do not have any information on the history of our automatic washing machine as you requested. Thank you for thinking of Whirlpool Corporation.

*****Post# 27150-3/5/2003-19:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Gee, Whirlpool was certainly a big help, LOL. What a wonderful letter you received from Sears though, I am duly impressed! How fun that you now own a couple of those 50s machines for yourself. It's interesting that they called the DAA "ho-hum" as I know you've used that term to describe certain aspects of Sears machines. :-)

*****Post# 27151-3/5/2003-19:52 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (Since we are talking Kenmores.........)
MESSAGE: I am so close to finishing up my last dream machine(as of now anyways) and it's a Kenmore! Check out my want ad from 3/3 in the "wanted" section of the classic appliance site. Someone must have one extra Kenmore with those features just taking up too much room, that they need to sell, that they are tired of.....that needs a good home! Thanks! Don

*****Post# 27152-3/5/2003-19:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (1976 DAA)
MESSAGE: And that's what made me bolt through Sears like mad just to flip open a lid and see it...

THE WASHER OF THE FUTURE!

Well, the future's here and all the manufacturers are using it. Now it's boring.

*****Post# 27153-3/5/2003-20:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (Robert that was great!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks so much for sharing your letters.
They were so cool!
I love the fact that Sears took the time to give you such detail.
I think that it is so wild how Whirlpool did not give you any information at all. I actually think that your letter was received in the hands of some apathetic personal, that really did not want to do any work!
The history of the Sears washers was great!
I bet that when you were a "kid", and received your letter, you read it many, many times!
Thanks for sharing that with us!
Brent

*****Post# 27154-3/5/2003-20:51 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ? (Wrong info......./corrected)
MESSAGE: After I got to look at this closer I knew something was wrong with this picture......

Model# 110.6704601
Serial# 8385 J706 (there may be a number missing here)

This is the old style of modle/serial tag which is read the folowing way....
Model... 110.67....The 67 is the year this model was introduced.

J= St.Joseph Plant
7= 1967
06= 6th week of year
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This is the model tag from my 70 series Kenmore dryer

110.6208705
01980 M343

Model...62, year of intro
M= Marion, Ohio
3= 63
43= Week
As you can see in this example you have to look at the Model number to see when the model was introduced to get a better idea of when the machine was made. If you actually had the machine in front of you like I do, you would also know that this machine could not be made in 73 because the perforated drum was not used after 1968.

( I would give you the ones from my 65 Lady K w/d but that is useless because the dryer was converted from a perforated drum to a solid drum machine with parts from a dryer with this model number, (110.680881200 and a Serious Number of 03735 M924) and the washer was converted from a standard capacity to an ex large capacity and I have no idea what happened to any of those tags.)
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This is from my Black LE Belt drive, note this is the newer model/serial tag

110.82394500
C62210110

C= Clyde
6= 1986
23= Week of year
but WAIT........ The first two digits in the model number are 82. But this machine you say was made in 86. Yes, and this can be checked by remembering that when this model line was introduced it had a slide to start switch, NOT the push to start switch that this one has. Also EVERY part in this machine is date stamped.
_______________________________________________________________

Now in 1990 they again changed how the Model tag reads, insted of using a number for the year of manufacture they use a letter. (CL36) But I won't go into that because no one here gives a ^&$%#&%^* about newer stuff.

After you are all confuzzled now, the numbers in the Serious Number either before or after the plant, year and week are simply product sequence numbers.

*****Post# 27155-3/5/2003-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (The History of Kenmore )
MESSAGE: Robert
Thank you for posting this information (very interesting reading)
Peter

*****Post# 27156-3/5/2003-22:28 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: 1-18 Water Level
MESSAGE: How far up should the maximum level of a 1974 1-18 go as compared to the jetcone agitator? I find that my machine seems to go below the setting diagram dialed to, and even at max level seems to be well under the jetcone's removable cap, as compared to the diagram. Is there a way to adjust the water level as dialed on this machine?

Thanks for sharing this wonderful correspondence. True to Sears, being a marketing powerhouse, they had their stuff assimilated to share with anyone who wanted to know. I'm still disappointed about Whirlpools' response though.

*****Post# 27159-3/5/2003-23:26 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ? (SS filters)
MESSAGE: Aw I get it, I actually have one, but I didn't know that's what it was called. I always heard it called the waterfall filter. Thanks for the info! Don

*****Post# 27160-3/5/2003-23:27 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: I think that 1959 LK with the self-cleaning filter that STILL waterfalled is too much fun!

*****Post# 27161-3/6/2003-00:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: can anyone give me a year ?
MESSAGE: Yes, "the best of both worlds). Incidentally, I remember seeing later versions of filters made of a plastic mesh.

*****Post# 27162-3/6/2003-09:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (3 rows of holes from the top)
MESSAGE: The MAXI water level is supposed to come to about 3 rows of drainage holes down from the top row. Check the graphic carefully: does it show "load level" or "water level"?

-ph

*****Post# 27163-3/6/2003-11:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (3 rows of holes from the top)
MESSAGE: That's about right cause that's where the top fin on the pulsator is. On Tcox's 1-18, I had to hold the reset to make it fill all the way there. Must be out of adjustment pressure switch or something.

*****Post# 27164-3/6/2003-12:12 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (3 rows of holes from the top)
MESSAGE: The water level in a 1-18 is supposed to be LOWER than the level of clothing. The clothing is supposed to come UP and OUT of the water. If it is not you will get poor rollover. Even worse than a Maytag.

*****Post# 27165-3/6/2003-13:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (3/4 the way up the big cone)
MESSAGE: Not quite. It's more like an inch or two down from the very top cone. It's more like 3/4 the way up the big cone.

My WIA fills all the way up and definitely needs an adjustment. Definitely too high.

*****Post# 27166-3/6/2003-13:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but even on the MAXI setting with 18 pounds of clothes, rollover is marginal in the 1-18, but probably good enough for Mrs. American Housewife. At least there aren't slashing thrashing blades at the bottom that would rip clothes, which can happen with a full Maytag.

Is that the original Maytag tranny, the orbital tranny, or the Norgetag?

I feel a slap coming...

-ph

*****Post# 27167-3/6/2003-15:56 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: And it will be delivered in perosn............

*****Post# 27168-3/6/2003-18:13 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: I have found with both my '62 Maytag and 1/18, that I cannot and would not "pack" them with clothes as I think some people make that mistake. I think the best washing ability comes from a full but "loosely-packed" tub.........

*****Post# 27169-3/6/2003-19:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: Agreed - and I am always amazed at how much room clothes really do take up when loaded properly. But the washing results don't lie!!! I wonder how our mothers with their standard capacity machines in the 50's ever got finished with the laundry. Or are our clothes today just bigger and we change clothes more??

*****Post# 27171-3/6/2003-20:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (Thank you for thinking of...)
MESSAGE: Awesome letters! Are you starting a scrapbook?

My mother used to roll her eyes when our mailbox was stuffed with catalogs from appliance companies. Sadly, I saved very little.

*****Post# 27172-3/6/2003-20:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level ( 1-18 Water Level )
MESSAGE: I think the same way - with any washer (Full but loose) has always given the best results!
Peter

*****Post# 27173-3/6/2003-20:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (Thank you for thinking of...)
MESSAGE: I have a ton of stuff but it is mostly litature from the last 12 or 13 years. I wished I had saved all that real old brochures.
Peter

*****Post# 27174-3/6/2003-20:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: The GE straight vane Activator in my Dispensall washer must surely have been a collaborative effort with GE's small appliance division. If you overload that washer, nothing moves and everything next to the "RAGMAKER" moving at 100 spm (the 's' is for slashes) gets chopped and diced. Gotta find a spiral agitator!

I got one for you. Just looking now for the matching Mini-Basket. Will send it when found, unless you want it sooner...

-ph

*****Post# 27176-3/6/2003-21:45 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: CLASSIC KENMORE GAS DRYER ON EBAY !!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Just found this on Ebay! Looks to be in beautiful shape!!! We gotta keep this one in the club! Mark

*****Post# 27177-3/6/2003-21:58 ||| minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: The History of Kenmore and Whirlpool Washing Machines (Thank you for thinking of...)
MESSAGE: Hold on to the brochures. Later on everything becomes vintage stuff. It's even fun to look at catalogs even from just a few years ago and realize how things change so quickly.20 years from now you will be glad you saved them.

*****Post# 27178-3/6/2003-22:03 ||| minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: New -vs- Old
MESSAGE: With all the new bells and whistles (or should I say buttons and touch pad screens) that are added onto the appliances to make us buy the latest and greatest, do you think the new appliances really do any better job over our vintage ones.

I think of new vs. old in terms of durability. The old machines were BUILT TO LAST with all metal parts, solid and heavy mechanisms. There are still Frigidaire, Kenmores, GE, Maytag, etc from 30 years ago still in service today. The new machines are built lighter and cheaper with plastic parts and gears which can break pretty easily.

I prefer old stuff. I like the colors, designs, the control panels, the sounds. Old washers are just COOL.

*****Post# 27180-3/6/2003-22:38 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: So, how'd it happen? (And what were they thinking?) (Remember PennCrest Brand?)
MESSAGE: Remember in the late 70's when JC Penney's carried appliances branded PennCrest or PenCrest? I think they carried the very last solid tub top loader sold.

Shawn in Huntsville, AL

*****Post# 27181-3/6/2003-22:47 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: frigidaire water level
MESSAGE: There is a water pressure mechanism located on top of the machine under the top. Remove the top and you will see a circular black devise with a clear plastic hose and a center screw head. Turning this screw (disconnect the power source first, as this is a live connection!) clock-wise in very small increments will decrease the diaphram pressure and increase the water level. Be careful, as too much adjustment will can cause the final spin to not activate with this model, and you will wind up with sopping wet laundry when the buzzer sounds!

Shawn in Huntsville.

*****Post# 27182-3/6/2003-22:52 ||| soharra (Huntsville, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: ???? (Does it spin dry?)
MESSAGE: I have seen this same model in flea markets and wonder if it actually spin drys the laundry before you program the "dry" cycle. I think not, but unless someone has one and can confirm differently?

Shawn in Huntsville.

*****Post# 27183-3/6/2003-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (GE spiral Activator)
MESSAGE: Cool - thanks!! Is the mini-basket the white one with the small filter? I have one of those in my garden ;-)

*****Post# 27185-3/6/2003-23:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (which Maytag?)
MESSAGE: Well, first, I think we change clothes a ot more often now. Two, I have shirts in my closet bought over time that are the same "size", however newer purchases are garments that are bigger in size for the same label.

*****Post# 27186-3/7/2003-00:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (GE spiral Activator)
MESSAGE: Yes, but you need to be sure it is the extra capacity Mini that would fit securely on the larger agitator.

-ph

*****Post# 27187-3/7/2003-01:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ???? (Does it spin dry?)
MESSAGE: We have those small portables overhere too although it's quite some time ago I saw them in the stores here. They don't spin. I guess you are expected to wring the laundry by hand or use a spindryer/centrifuge. I have seen them on eBay too and was wondering too why people pay so much money for these things.

In the fifties there were a lot women who were at home. They felt it their duty to be a good housewife and homemaker. One of their tasks was doing laundry. They didn't know about Super Capacity Plus washers, but were remembering the wringer washers from their mothers. I think they were glad they had automatic washers that saved time over using a wringer washer. Today we just don't have or take time to do laundry.

Louis

*****Post# 27190-3/7/2003-05:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (standard capacity)
MESSAGE: Well, Louis that is certainly true enough!! And it pays to note that those women operated their homes on a very strict schedule - probably better run than most companies today. I remember at that time that laundry was only done on one day per week - usually on Monday. Unless of course there was some kind emergency - then perhaps a load was done on Saturday. Or it was summer - then a load of beach towels and bathing suits was done every night. Tuesday was for ironing and floor care. Wednesday was for changing beds and doing windows (in Brooklyn - it was customary to do windows very frequently because of city dirt). Thiursday was for general cleaning and vacuuming. Friday was for weekly grocery shopping and sometimes Mom and her sisters or friends would run downtown to Abraham and Straus or Martins' with perhaps a side trip to Junior's for coffee and cheesecake. And let us not forget that there were PTA meetings, local civic activities and meal preparation somewhere every day. Saturday was spent doing errands with my father, shopping for the ingredients for our Sunday dinner and generally visiting with friends. And of course Sunday was truly family day. The day started early with Mom starting her "gravy" and meats for the 1:00pm dinner. Church was at 9:00 (shirt and tie if you please and you always had to sit with your class if you went to Catholic school). Dinner was at 1:00pm sharp and since our extended family all lived within 5 blocks of each other, one or more factions were at our house. After dinner and coffee, the rest of the family would walk over or we would walk there for a long visit. And remember, NOTHING was open on Sunday - so no mall, no grocery store and the pharmacy closed at noon.

And of course, laundry was NEVER done on Sunday under any circumstances and nothing was ever allowed to hang on the clothesline on that day either!

*****Post# 27191-3/7/2003-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (standard capacity)
MESSAGE: There probably wasn't as much laundry as clothes were not changed as often and families didn't have as many clothes as we do now. There were school clothes, play clothes and church clothes, many hand made. My grandmother's first washer was a Maytag "Gray Ghost" wringer with a gas engine bought when she was nearly 30 years old - a technological innovation that saved hours of back-breaking scrubbing on a washboard.

My grandmother followed a similar schedule, but in her younger days it was modified to include farm duties as well. There were animals to care for, beans to walk, corn to de-tassle and during harvest, canning and freezing as well. Without the benefit prepared foods, a great deal of time was spent on that task, especially for a large family. Saturdays were spent doing the baking for the next week and Saturday night was bath-night. "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater..."

An article on luxury laundry rooms in Time magazine this week states that women (still a majority in laundry tasks) spend 7-9 hours per week doing the family wash. If done all in one day, it would be an entire day spent in the laundry room.

*****Post# 27192-3/7/2003-08:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Monday)
MESSAGE: Monday used to be washday in Holland too. Is there a special reason for Monday being the day to do laundry?

Louis

*****Post# 27193-3/7/2003-09:25 ||| hotpoint (pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: oven manuals
MESSAGE: There has got to be an easier way to find literature for older appliances. I'm looking for a Hotpoint manual for a 1957 Hotpoint wall oven and I know someone out there has one. Anybody out there in applianceville e-mail at kgroller@rcn.com

*****Post# 27194-3/7/2003-12:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (standard capacity)
MESSAGE: I remember even in the late 70s as a kid, we had a Kenmore 800. Monday was washday and it was at the most 2 or 3 loads and that was it. Now my mom has a orbital transmission Maytag, a little bigger than the Kenmore and she washes almost every day. The secret to the old fashioned way is wearing the same clothes for a few days or using the same towel.

Now we live in a Super Capacity world where we go through a new towel each day and we have huge baskets full of laundry to do. It would take HOURS to do on a 12lb machine. My Frigemore is a super capacity and every week I process two FULL loads through it. Add one more load for the sheets if that's done in the Lil' Lady or the Frigemore.

It's more sanitary to change clothes and towels often, so that's the way to go.

Keep on tumblin'

*****Post# 27195-3/7/2003-12:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Sunday)
MESSAGE: I usually wash on sunday. Right after church I rush home and fire up the Kenmores. Doing laundry is fun and relaxing and should be done on a nice Sunday afternoon when you're not all rushed to get it done.

Crank up the tunes, brew some coffee, and tumble tumble tumble.

*****Post# 27196-3/7/2003-14:54 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Sunday)
MESSAGE: People know calling me on Monday will hear the rollarmatic in the background when I answer. I faithfully do wash on Monday-do machines work on other days???? The funny thing about this is that I am 90% right brain, creative, and do not like to stick to a schedule-except for wash. My partner washes something about every day, so you can always find something in the washer or dryer-waiting for attention. Not me, I get it done on Monday and rarely fire it up during the week. We don't live together, as this would be one of those things we would have to discuss, yeah, discuss, that's a nice word for it.

*****Post# 27197-3/7/2003-15:22 ||| operaghost666nj (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Old Hotpoint freezer - Year?
MESSAGE: Hi! Just joined the group here. What a fun message board! I have a question about an old Hotpoint upright freezer I rescued recently. Cat. #125EM12, Serial #0446944. Will either of these numbers tell me what year it was made? Thanks! Linda

"Long ago (like 1960), the rhythm of the average American housewife's life was fairly standard no matter where you went. Each day had its own task, and so the work got done in a logical, orderly fashion as the week progressed. It went like this:

Monday: Wash Day
Tuesday: Ironing Day
Wednesday: Sewing Day
Thursday: Market Day
Friday: Cleaning Day
Saturday: Baking Day
Sunday: Day of Rest

With a few variations (some folks had a gardening day instead of a separate ironing day, or the days were not quite in this order), this is the way everyone kept house for more than a hundred years. It was such a common scheme that day-of-the-week dishtowels emblazoned with that day's chore were everywhere. (You can still get Aunt Martha iron-on embroidery or paint transfers with this scheme--I collect them, in fact.)

There was logic behind this. Laundry was far and away the heaviest task a housewife faced, requiring a great deal of strength and fortitude to hand-wring clothes and carry big baskets of wet laundry to the clothesline from the basement washtubs. Monday was the day to do it, when you were still fresh and rested from Sunday. Tuesday's ironing followed Monday's wash. Mending and sewing on Wednesday made sense when you'd just been through the clothes and noticed what needed a button or a patch. And so on."

*****Post# 27200-3/7/2003-15:52 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Noisy Roller-matics)
MESSAGE: I have 2 roller-matics from 66' and 68'plus a 1-18 and a 60' Multi-matic. I would have to say of the machines I have the 60' Multi-matic is the quietest one followed by the 60's Rollermatics and then the 1-18's. The 1-18 you definately know is running which is neat actually if your into the Frigidaires. You don't want to be on the phone trying to have a conversation unless it is someone interested in the classics also.

Cheers

*****Post# 27201-3/7/2003-16:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Noisy Roller-matics)
MESSAGE: Bruce, I did not realize you had a 1960. So do I! Is yours a Custom Imperial? Mine too is very quiet. 1-18 is the noisiest of all of them but I don't know if it's the machine itself or the effect of all the commotion inside the tub.

*****Post# 27204-3/7/2003-21:30 ||| Rimrock (Palm Springs, CA)
SUBJECT: Bendix advertizing posted 02/08/03 appli of the day
MESSAGE: I need a copy of this ad....who has it ?

*****Post# 27205-3/7/2003-21:56 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO)
MESSAGE: I think that washing machines are icons of our American Culture, a timeline of innovation, design and advertizing that belongs in the Smithsonian! Washing machines and dryers should be preserved and enjoyed as much as 1963 Chervolet Impala Convertables.(My favorite). The history of laundry has not changed, a rock,washer board, wringer, front load, top load, or new front load. The older machines are just more fun in retrospect, they went in their different style direction. Today, machines are as generic as a trip to a mall in any town, USA. The old machines celeberated technological and design diversity-they are our cultural icons and anchor us to what is great about American design and marketing.

*****Post# 27206-3/7/2003-22:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO Smithsonian Display)
MESSAGE: There was a display at the Smithsonian in D.C. this summer of washing machines - including a turquoise Maytag that I used to have.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/SRVAA+Convention+2002&.dnm=Washing+Machine+Display.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp%3f.dir=/SRVAA%2bConvention%2b2002%26.dnm=There%2527s%2bmy%2bMaytag!.jpg%26.src=ph

*****Post# 27207-3/7/2003-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Sunday)
MESSAGE: Sunday is my preferred time to do laundry too. That way, I can do my 5-8 loads at once, if I have that many.

*****Post# 27208-3/7/2003-23:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Sunday)
MESSAGE: Don, I can't imagine one person finding something to wash just about every day. I save it up so I can sort properly and not tiny loads all the time.

*****Post# 27212-3/8/2003-06:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: CLASSIC KENMORE GAS DRYER ON EBAY !!!
MESSAGE: Goodness, I was hoping that it would be relisted......
Oh well, Santa is not coming over for dinner this year, for I will not have a matching pair to wash and dry his uniform!

My 1960' Multi-Matic is a Custom Deluxe which I believe was the next one down from the CI but it is still a neat machine with the console light and all the chrome.

*****Post# 27219-3/8/2003-13:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 3/08 POD
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie - this dryer did have a foot pedal/magnetic catch door opening. It's just not in the illustration of today's POD. Here is a catalog page that shows the pedal. Beautiful set, one of GE's best!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=GE+60%27s+Washer%26Dryer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

*****Post# 27220-3/8/2003-13:30 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: My poor baby Lady Kenmore has broke!!!!!!!!!! It started to agitate in the middle of the drain cycle, the normal cycle has just plain stopped working, the lint filter runs during the spin cycle spraying everywhere, and it started to spin once done filling for the wash. The people I bought it from are going to repair it for free, (It is under a one year warentee) and it'll take buying a GM Frigidaire to calm me down!

*****Post# 27221-3/8/2003-13:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix advertizing posted 02/08/03 appli of the day (Bendex ad)
MESSAGE: Curiously, when this design was introduced in 1940-41, it was called the "Laundrimatic" and after the war, the name was changed to "Automatic Home Laundry."

*****Post# 27222-3/8/2003-13:41 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: This is the coolest Kenmore I have ever seen! It is in coppertone, and here is the best part! The backround of the control panel is polished copper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would kill for that control board!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2311814202&category=20714

*****Post# 27223-3/8/2003-13:47 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Jamie, that's just the reflection in the picture...this is one of those with the black faceplate from the mid to late 1970's.

*****Post# 27225-3/8/2003-14:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Are you sure? You can look at it from different angles and that faceplate looks like shiny copper. I didn't think coppertone went that far into the late 70s. That's at least a 76 or 77 cause it has a DAA.

So sorry to hear that your machine is down!
Don't worry, it may need a new wig-way, that is the reason that it is spinning and agitating at the same time. As for the timer may have bad cams so replacement may be necessary....

I wish you the best of luck!

*****Post# 27227-3/8/2003-14:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I just bought a Sears spring catalog from 1982 this morning at a sale and surprisingly, the avocado, gold and coppertone colors were still available on upper end models. If you email the seller, I'm sure they will send you the model number and then we'll know for sure. This was one of my favorite models of the typically boring black-face Kenmores - fully featured and color too! A good find worth saving.

*****Post# 27228-3/8/2003-14:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I'm sure they'll have it up and running for you in no time - you'll be washing again soon!

*****Post# 27229-3/8/2003-14:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the world of old appliances. One thing you must remember is that they break. I agree with Cleanteam. You have a bad wigwag and timer.

The wigwag is the part that tells the transmission to go into agitate, drain or spin. When that breaks, the machine will agitate and spin at the same time.

The timer is more like the "brain". It tells everything in the machine what to do. When that breaks the machine just goes weird.

*****Post# 27231-3/8/2003-14:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Interesting. I didn't realize coppertone survived into that series. The DAA looks slightly different than the others too. I wonder if it's the one that makes that winding, cranking sound when it agitates.

*****Post# 27232-3/8/2003-14:42 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: 60's West Front loading pair in copertone
MESSAGE: Hi,
Could I ask a favor. There was a Picture of the day for an
add that featured the Westy front loading stackable version.
When I was a kid my mom had that washer under the counter. I thought I saved the ad when it popped up, but I lost it.
Can it be run again. Soon, Please? Or is there a link I can
copy it from, please.
thanks and really love the website.
Imperial70

*****Post# 27233-3/8/2003-14:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO)
MESSAGE: And for those of us with a Catholic background, would that be the Church of Perpetual Porcelain Lady Kenmore?

*****Post# 27234-3/8/2003-14:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Noisy Roller-matics)
MESSAGE: Bruce, if the 1960 line was anythning like the 1959 line, there was an Imperial just below the Custom Imperial.

*****Post# 27238-3/8/2003-15:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I would have to say that if this washer was the regular white with black face, it would match my grandma's dryer, which is STILL RUNNING. In fact, when no one was looking, I fired it up. Runs like it was new.

*****Post# 27239-3/8/2003-22:32 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO)
MESSAGE: And for those of us with Jewish mothers, the laundry room was the Temple of Doom. One of the buttons on our Maytag was a direct dial to the houskeeper.

*****Post# 27242-3/9/2003-00:04 ||| Frigigare (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Monday)
MESSAGE: My understanding For MONDAY Wash days is this. When The Pilgrims fisr Landed in 1620, or so, the First day off the Old Mayflower was a Monday, and The Pilgrim Women, being the Honest, Hard workers that they were, made MONDAy wash Day, and it just sort of stuck!

*****Post# 27243-3/9/2003-00:08 ||| Frigigare (California)
SUBJECT: WOW!!!!! Who would have thought....
MESSAGE: ...that there were so many People FASCINATED by washing Machines. It is LIKE COMING OUT AGAIN. Except Here AVOCADO JUST Might be Considered a Chic Colour!!!!

*****Post# 27244-3/9/2003-00:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW!!!!! Who would have thought....
MESSAGE: Gary, some people do thing avocado is a chic colour (Jasonl). My preferences are Harvest Gold, Coppertone, Turqoise, and Avocado. Pink is noty really my coolor. And Gary, WELCOME!!! BTW, you're just 10 days older than me. And I essentially came out here on both fronts--he he he, the laundry closet and the family closet.

*****Post# 27245-3/9/2003-01:24 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Frig Dryer
MESSAGE: Check this out, this is the EXACT machine my grandparents had in their condo in Palm Springs, same color and all. The had the matching washer but i was too young to understand how cool it was at the time. A maid had overloaded it with towels and it got replaced with a whirlpool but that exact dryer stayed around awhile. Enjoy.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2311899371&category=20714

*****Post# 27246-3/9/2003-02:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Picture of the Day 3/9/2003
MESSAGE: Wow! I've never seen a Signature like that. Array of buttons upstairs, ozone, and window door!

*****Post# 27250-3/9/2003-07:38 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Youngstown Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I have only seen a copy of a vintage ad . Does anyone actually own one of these & is there anyway I could see a pic of it. Can not get enough info these days. Vintage Dishwashers sure have my attention now . Thank You for your time. Michael , mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 27251-3/9/2003-09:25 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Increasing Kenmore Speed
MESSAGE: OK fellas....., I have read somewhere on this forum that changing a pulley on a Kenmore can increase the spin speed, if this is true, what size should I replace it with? Where can I buy one from and what size? larger one or smaller?

Also, will this increase agitation speed by doing so?

Thanks in advance,

Larry

*****Post# 27252-3/9/2003-10:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day 3/9/2003
MESSAGE: Robert and I saw one of these on the SD farm trip last year. I think this was the first year of the Westinghouse-made straight front washers and dryers.

*****Post# 27253-3/9/2003-10:35 ||| Lintfilter (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Hi, What washer is easy to work on, direct or belt drive? I been looking for a Kenmore/ Whirlpool Belt drive at used appliance store. but with no luck. I like the manual clean lint filter. Like my mother used in the 60's and70's.a lot of people tell me to forget about belt drive washers.they tell me they are hard to get parts for. They tell me to stick to direct drive. Thank's

*****Post# 27254-3/9/2003-10:49 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Both are easy to to work on, but belt drive machines or most gent-lier on clothes than the direct drive machines!

As for parts, they can be found on www.sears.com under parts as long as you have the full model number!

So what machines have you've come across?
These machine can be found in every neighborhood no matter where you live. For living in Brooklyn, NY they are placed on the street for recycling and I can say, I see one of these once every two to three months but more DD and the ever-so popular GE plastic are thrown out more than the exclusive belt drive Kenmore, Whirlpool or Maytags....

*****Post# 27255-3/9/2003-11:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Here are some shots of Greg's new kitchen. He won it on Lets Make a Deal! Have a gander everybody!

*****Post# 27256-3/9/2003-11:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Water Level (Monday Wash Day)
MESSAGE: I had also heard on NPR a while back Mondays were picked as wash day because Sunday was the day the whole family got together to whorship and eat Sunday Dinner. That meant the Sunday dinner was huge so that the housewife always had and served left overs on Monday, which freed her up to wash all day. Also with everyone at the table she could direct that everyone got their laundry organized for Monday.

Otherwise you can change the motor pulley. My 65 has one on it that is 1/2in larger than the original. The spin speed is now very close to 700. It does make the agitation faster and is about as brisk as that of a DD on Normal. Being that the 65 is the only one in the shop runing it has been demoted to washing shop rags with a Super Roto Swirl. The rollover is great. Sometime this spring I'm going to give her another another coat of Mabeline because she got scratched up in the move. When I do I'll put the DAA back in her and she will really turn those clothes over.

There are a few WARNINGS you should pay attention to when/if you change pulleys. You should grease the cam bar slides and tighten the hold down spring, remove the pump pulley and fill the wick cavity with turbine oil, it holds about a tablespoon. Check your snubber and make sure it is in perfect condition. Level the machine to near perfect. The suspension system was NOT built to handle this kind of speed and it WILL go off balance with someting as simple as a sock or washcloth. Make sure your transmission is full of 80 or 90 weight oil. If the tranny has taken on any amount of water at all the increased speed will kill the tranny. It's easy to tell if it has taken on water.........look at the inside of the cabinet, if there is oil/grease/nasty stuff sprayed and slung all over then you have bad seals and need to do a complete rebuild including the transmission which is now filled with water and what little oil is left.

*****Post# 27258-3/9/2003-11:47 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Easy would be a Direct Drive. If that is what you want. I'll admit that the direct drive is a work horse, but I much prefer the sound of a belt drive.

The parts for the belt drive are being discontinued. Which is why my hand was forced in rebuilding the 86 Electronic Beltdrive. Anyway, it's done and in the house doing her thing just as good if not better as the day she rolled off the line in '86.

Depending on which model DD you are after they are not as hard on clothing as many would like you to believe. There has been a Direct Drive in this household since 1983 and not once have we had a clothing failure due to the machine. It's all in how you use it.

KitchenAid agitates on Medium speed, later Kenmore and Whirlpool's agitate on either medium or low speed depending upon if it has a 2 or 3 speed motor. In the early 90's they started agitating on high speed and then went to low speed for the ramainder of the wash cycle. It all depends on the model you pick up.

*****Post# 27260-3/9/2003-12:44 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Increasing Kenmore Speed
MESSAGE: Thanks for the note Jason, I will try doing that later this summer while rebuilding Big Top Control Panel.This will be interesting to see that ole gurl really go!

*****Post# 27261-3/9/2003-13:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Don't worry, just search other used appliance stores, Salvation Army or check the paper for estate sales....Those are some of the best places you may find that belt drive machine.

*****Post# 27262-3/9/2003-13:32 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: So true, but I guess it all depends on the agitator. I find the straight vane agitator quite noisy and harsh in the DD and the DAA much quieter yet still its most gentle compare to the straight vane. I have not destroy any garment except when the wrong detergent being used caused premature fading because of the powerful undertow, but I can say it keeps my uniform very clean.

*****Post# 27263-3/9/2003-13:37 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO Nixon thought so too!)
MESSAGE: Not to get too pendantic here, but if I recall history correctly, the big "Kitchen Debate" that Kruschev and Nixon had back in the 50's was about the "relative merits of washing machines versus the relative merits of missles" or something cold war-ish like that. Basically, Nixon was saying "nyah, nyah, nyah, our capitalist washing machines can beat your godless commie washing machines any day" (which they undoubtedly could. How many times you do see a Sovient washing machine on this site? ;-) and Kruschev said "Yeah...well... we've got the bomb too!" and everyone left feeling good about themselves. This was actually a pretty civil exchange for the time: Kruschev was the one who banged his shoe on the podium at the UN and promised that "we will bury you" and Nixon.... well, we all remember HIM and HIS hang-ups...

If only we could get Bush and Hussein to meet over a few loads of laundry! If Betty Furness were still alive, she'd be the perfect mediator.

*****Post# 27265-3/9/2003-15:08 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Your best bet is thrift stores, yard sales and estate sales. Not very many used appliance places will touch a belt drive anymore for resale. If they do you can bet they won't have a warranty and the price will/should be pretty low.

*****Post# 27267-3/9/2003-15:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day 3/9/2003
MESSAGE: Very nicely featured. Does anyone know what vintage this machine would be? Did Wards sell Westinghouse and Norge products simultaneously, or were the Westinghouse discontinued in favor of the Norge? I know in later years, they ran two lines of toploaders, Norge and Westinghouse.

*****Post# 27268-3/9/2003-15:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Jason, when did the belt drive fall so out of favor? Is it mainly because they are moving further into the past now? We used to have whole used appliance stores here that were full of nothing but belt drive Sears machines, I assumed because they must have been at least fairly simple to restore, and they last.

I'm a bit surprised they are discontinuing the parts, that's like putting almost 40 years worth of machines into obsolesence.

*****Post# 27269-3/9/2003-16:21 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Hey guys that dishwasher was very nice. I was looking at and thought it has to be 30" wide...and sure enough when I went to the Dacor site it was. Looks like it could hold alot. Was this taken at the Boston Home Show they just had? They are going to have a Home show here in Portland shortly..Love those home shows and lotsa ideas.
On another note has anyone seen the new Gain HE and Cheer HE liquids? The Cheer almost bowled me over for the price at Walmart at a whopping 9 bucks a bottle for 20 loads. Right above it was the Wisk HE for 4 bucks. I dont have an HE machine yet but I am thinking of getting either a Fisher & Paykel or a Frigidaire FL like I had in Nebraska. So that will make it washer #4. I have been using the Ariel powder that i found at Family Dollar that seems to be low sudsing and cleans very well. Its in the box not the Mexican bag and its made here in the USA. I have tried that new Spray and Wash Action Tabs and love that and the new Action gel thats out.
Mike

*****Post# 27270-3/9/2003-16:22 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: They fell out of favor because it is so much easier and more profitable to fix and sell DD machines. You don't have to worry about rusty, leaky outer tubs, belts, wig wags, cam bars bending, etc, etc.

Wpl usually will only keep producing parts for 15 years after the warranty runs out on the last produced model. It also depends on how fast the part moves. The belts, wig wags, timers, pumps, the basic stuff will be produced. But not the major stuff like the basket drives and base plates. I remember 3 years ago I was looking for a new Baseplate for a short post Kenmore and they had removed it from production 6 months before. They did a nation wide search and no one had it. But I found a good one after some looking.

4 months ago I priced everything to rebuild the 86 BD and the warehouse had over 50 basket drives in stock. Last month the notice came out that they were NLA and the only thing I could get was a Spin Tube and that was the last one in the warehouse. I hope that the smaller parts dealers will have some NOS parts for a while.

*****Post# 27271-3/9/2003-16:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: Interesting Jason, thanks. I guess the new machines must have outer tubs made of a strong plastic type of material? I don't think I've ever really seen the inside of one.

I guess I kind of knew that about Sears parts policy, but with me sometimes, I forget how quickly time passes. It doesn't seem like it's been nearly 20 years for instance since these machines were last made, but it is!

*****Post# 27272-3/9/2003-16:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: The detergent shelves here have been kind of sparse here lately, don't know if it's inventory time for stores, or formulations changing, or what. I've been using Wisk Tablets most of the time, though Purex liquid is certainly a bargain at $2.99 for a good size bottle. Can't put that in the vintage Frigidaire though, but I can in the Sears.

I bought a big box of Wisk Tablets last week for $5.99, the shelf label said "discontinued" but I rather think (hope) that means this change they're making from a red box to a blue box. These tablets work equally well in f/l washers.

*****Post# 27273-3/9/2003-17:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO Nixon thought so too!)
MESSAGE: Here's the picture of Nixon and Khrushchev looking at kitchen with the built in GE combo.
LINK: http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/AMS/WebCt_Mall/myweb/consumergoods/the%20capitalist%20model.htm

*****Post# 27274-3/9/2003-17:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Great kitchen, but what is Let's Make a Deal?

*****Post# 27275-3/9/2003-17:43 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (The answer is...)
MESSAGE: This is a game show that was popular in the early 60 into the mid 70's.
LINK: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9348/lets_make_deal.htm

*****Post# 27276-3/9/2003-17:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day 3/9/2003
MESSAGE: Glenn, of course you realize that's a Westy dryer in disguise. A TOL flat-front one to boot!!!

*****Post# 27278-3/9/2003-18:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Scott, I used Purex liquid in Steve 1-18's Rapid Dry as well as 1-18 Frigidaire washers as well as the AEG and QuietLine front loaders when I did the mega wsh at his house last summer. In fact, Steve uses Purex liquid in his two vintage Westy front loaders presently. Rhinnie does use tablets though for ease. I believe JasonL uses Purex liquid in his Fridgemore too.

*****Post# 27279-3/9/2003-18:34 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: OK, I admit I'm gullable. Let's Make a Deal is being broadcast for an hour each Tuesday right now. So, does this meen we missed one of our astutemembers being a contestant on the modern/current version? Or are you pulling my leg? and was just showing Greg in front of the new 30" Dacor dishwasher with the 20 place setting capcity.

*****Post# 27280-3/9/2003-18:46 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO)
MESSAGE: sums it up for me, well said..............

I tried some All/Surf or whatever and it makes more suds than I like. The lowest sudsing yet good working detergent I've found yet is WiskHE. But for cheap stuff, you can't beat the Purex.

*****Post# 27283-3/9/2003-18:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Hey, Mike - nice to see you posting. I have not seen the Gain or Cheer HE liquids here in Connecticut - even at WalMart or KMart. I am not surprised though. I went to the Gain website recently to complain that even though I like the product, all of the newest incarnations of the fragrances are way too strong. While there I was given a survey to complete and one of the first questions was something like "Would you like to see Gain in a high efficiency formula?" So, it had to be coming. OF course, I still think life would be a whole lot easier if all detergents, powder and liquid were controlled sudsing so they would be suitable for use in any machine. I cannot believe that there is anyone with any level of awareness that thinks high suds levels = better cleaning. That would put an end to all this need for ridiculously expensive HE detergents - to say nothing of what this would do the P&G's profit margin. BTW, how were the fragrances of both new liquids? Did they smell like their regular counterparts?

The prices sound very high - even when compared to Tide HE. Of course Wisk HE at $4.99 is better, but the bottle is now 80 ounces not the 100 ounces it was - and you use the same amount. So how much cheaper is it really?

Lucked out last week - at my local Shaw's supermarket, I found 5 boxes of Gain with bleach in the old fragrance - so I grabbed those. But I am stil waiting for you to send me a box of ABC from one of your trips to Canada - if that is the one that smells llike the old original Fab powder........ Anyway let us know your final choice for a HE washer.

Funny and so ironic.
LINK: http://members.cox.net/rotoswirl/videos/harry%20vs%20washing%20machine.wmv

*****Post# 27285-3/9/2003-19:07 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (pulling leg)
MESSAGE: he is pulling your leg..........we were at the Boston Homeshow........had a great time, lots of cool stuff and as I am sure everyone already knows, STAINLESS STEEL is IN big time !!!!!! Maybe Stainless steel W & D next on the outside ??

*****Post# 27287-3/9/2003-19:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (woow)
MESSAGE: I went to the Dacor site. This looks very interesting. Does anyone know if Dacor realy makes the machine? I wonder if it is going to be a good cleaning machine? Sometimes looks don't mean everything. Like I had my Kenmore tall tub that I exchanged for the GE tall tub that I like much better!
I would love to take the Dacor out for a spin!
Peter

*****Post# 27288-3/9/2003-20:02 ||| Minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (IMHO Nixon thought so too!)
MESSAGE: I think they were just comparing what temperature settings they use on their delicates.

*****Post# 27289-3/9/2003-20:17 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Hi Mike& Angus-next MASSWASHIN??)
MESSAGE: Nice to see you back I was wondering where you went? You are correct, Greg and I were at the Boston Home Show! You say yours is coming?? Don't miss the "Bamix" show!! Greg can tell you all about it!! Mayonnaise is 20 sec!!!!

You'll have to come down for the next wash in and meet everybody.In fact we need to get Angus up here for the next wash in too.

Hey Mass members what weekend is good for you to WASH IN at my place?? April 5th????
jon

*****Post# 27290-3/9/2003-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (The answer is...)
MESSAGE: Cool site! I hadn't realized it had been off the air that long. That was one of my favorites.

*****Post# 27291-3/9/2003-20:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive?
MESSAGE: ..or we could save the blackface machines with good insides to use to restore the older cooler ones. ;-)

*****Post# 27292-3/9/2003-20:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (The answer is...)
MESSAGE: It was one of mines too and I like to carry weird things in my bag and wonder if anyone would need something.....

It did happen to me last summer when someone needed a safety pin while on a picnic and would you believe that I have that and a few other Nick-knacks for in case of emergency?

*****Post# 27295-3/9/2003-21:53 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive? (Don't go there)
MESSAGE: Bob, do you want to start Applianceville War III??? There has never been a date, and will never be a date. The gods really don't even want my 86 BD in here, but it is 16 you know. Who knows, I guess it all depends on which side of the bed you got out of that day..........

*****Post# 27296-3/9/2003-21:55 ||| coldspot66 (MASSACHUSETTS)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: EVENING TO ALL. HAVE BEEN "LURKING HERE" FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW. JUST NOW FIGURED HOW TO POST A MESSAGE.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THERE ARE OTHER "SUDHEADS" AROUND BESIDES ME. I NEVER THOUGHT OTHERS SHARED MY LOVE OF MAJOR APPLIANCES. I ALWAYS FELT WIERD GROWING UP BECAUSE I WAS FACINATED BY WASHERS AND DISHWASHERS.

*****Post# 27297-3/9/2003-22:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: We all felt that way at one time or another Coldspot! Welcome to the club!
Are you into Refrigerators as your handle suggests?
Where in MA are you located? We have avery active chapter here.
jetcone

*****Post# 27298-3/9/2003-22:19 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: Get a hold of yourselve and check this out!

*****Post# 27299-3/9/2003-22:20 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: Now I see why this is a most wanted machine!

*****Post# 27300-3/9/2003-22:26 ||| Coldspot66 (SOUTH OF BOSTON, MASS)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: WHEN I WAS 12 YRS OLD A COLDSPOT BOTTOM FREEZER REFRIG CAME TO OUT HOUSE. IT WAS THE MOST UNUSUAL REFRIG I HAD EVER SEEN. IT WAS CALLED "TWINDOOR CUPBOARD" SIMILAR TO THE NEW KENMORE ELITE TRIO.
THAT REFRIG WAS IN OUR FAMILY UNTIL 3 YRS AGO WHEN THE COMPRESSOR FINALLY DIED. THEY DON'T BUILD THEM LIKE THAT ANYMORE.

I LIVE IN PLYMOUTH (AMERICA'S HOME TOWN) BUT AM ORIGINALY FROM CAMBRIDGE.

*****Post# 27301-3/9/2003-22:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: That is beautiful, and there is a Frigidaire something or other behind it too! Perhaps another dryer? I was never a huge coppertone fan, but this machine looks particularly stunning in it; as I guess it would in just about any color!

*****Post# 27302-3/9/2003-22:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, Coldspot 66! Would this have been in 1966 then, that you received the Coldspot refrigerator? The "french door" has always been a favorite refrigerator design of mine.

*****Post# 27303-3/9/2003-22:51 ||| coldspot66 (SOUTH OF BOSTON, MASS)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: IT WAS A 1966 MODEL BUILT BY WHIRLPOOL. IT HAD FRENCH PROVINCIAL HANDLES AND AN ICEMAKER(VERY CHIC) FOR IT'S TIME . I HAVE ALWAYS PREFERRED BOTTOM FREEZERS SINCE THEN, THEY MAKE SO MUCH MORE SENSE AND EASIER ON YOUR BACK. WHEN W/P CAME OUT WITH THE FRENCH DOOR DESIGN IN THE 80'S I HAD TO HAVE ONE! IT'S NOW 14 YRS OLD AND STILL RUNS WELL.

*****Post# 27304-3/9/2003-23:05 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: Those control panels(w/d set) are in the atlanta collection. I visited them Saturday.

*****Post# 27305-3/9/2003-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........ (Eagle Eye!)
MESSAGE: Good eyes Scott! I always try to look at the surroundings in ebay pictures and what to our wondering eyes should appear, but a 1958 Custom Imperial Filtrator to the left and a glimmer of turquoise to the bottom right!

The seller is a member of applianceville - more pictures Rich!!

That is a nice looking dryer, lots of chrome and lights - does anyone know when coppertone first appeared on KM?

*****Post# 27306-3/9/2003-23:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay
MESSAGE: This is very cool for spinner fans, the spin basket is solid and the water is thrown out of the basket into the trough that can be moved over the washtub as shown, or over a sink to drain the water away. Did you notice the cool basket on rollers next to the washer too? ;-)

*****Post# 27307-3/10/2003-00:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (pulling leg)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for the honesty. Gee, it seems like Stainless Steel has been "in" for about 3-5 years now. I wonder how much longer it will continue to be the "in" facade?

*****Post# 27309-3/10/2003-00:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........ (Eagle Eye!)
MESSAGE: This is trainguy. You can go to his profile and see what is in his collection. It's an AWESOME Frigidaire extravaganza!!!!!

*****Post# 27310-3/10/2003-03:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Bamix?)
MESSAGE: Bamix? Those are wonderful! Are they new in the US? I have a very old one, still working. I need to take some pictures of my small oldies!

*****Post# 27312-3/10/2003-07:59 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Classic Appliances SE
MESSAGE: Last fall the Georgia Washer Boys met in Atlanta for lunch. It was a social event. I would like to plan a gathering or two in 2003 want to expand it to the neighboring states as well as Georgians.

This is in no means an attempt to break away from ClassicAppliances.

If anyone who would be interested in getting together for perhaps a weekend wash-in, appliance hunting, or workshop would send me their e-mail address.

Please send it to the following mailbox:
applianceville@comcast.net

I will keep all the interested parties informed of plans.

Steve1-18

*****Post# 27313-3/10/2003-09:09 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! ( Louis--Bamix)
MESSAGE: Louis I bought one--a Bamix!! its terrific! last nite I made mayonnaise and then blue cheese dressing for my salad! All fresh and all in under 5 minutes!!!! I Love my bamix!!!!

*****Post# 27315-3/10/2003-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Nice impeller)
MESSAGE: Nice dishwasher, I havent taken a look at modern dishwashers in a while. I particularly like the large stainless steel three blade impeller at the bottom of the tank. If it spins at 1750rpm I bet that really throws the water around nicely.

*****Post# 27316-3/10/2003-09:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (The answer is...)
MESSAGE: Let's Make a Deal was one of my favorite shows as a kid. On almost every episode a washer and dryer was given away. The Game Show Network was reruning LMAD for a bit but I haven't seen it for a while. If anyone out there had taken the time to video tape some episodes recently I could digitize the scenes with the appliances for our video library.

*****Post# 27318-3/10/2003-10:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (and new from GAIN)
MESSAGE: Not to mention, new GAIN fabric softener that showed up in the laundromat yesterday...

-ph

*****Post# 27319-3/10/2003-10:29 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (and new from GAIN)
MESSAGE: In Liquid???? I know they have had Gain flavored dryer sheets for a while.

*****Post# 27320-3/10/2003-10:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: I have the control panel for this dryer and the matching washer. Beeeeeeeeeuuuuuuoooootful machine...

*****Post# 27324-3/10/2003-13:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! ( Louis--Bamix)
MESSAGE: I've got to come over and taste that dressing for myself! I need two new blades, I only have the multi-purpose-blade, so I need a new whisk and a new beater. After all these years (mine is at least 20 if not 30 years old) the connection of the blades to the blender is still the same I think (from looking at it on their website) so I can just order new ones.

*****Post# 27326-3/10/2003-13:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Stainless Steel)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, that is a very nice machine indeed! Do you think that setting is meant as a basement? Are basements very common in the Netherlands?

This picture is probably taken in Germany, in some parts of that country basements are quite common. The Netherlands are mainly a very flat country below sea level and because of that you hardly see baements here.

QLOTOC

*****Post# 27328-3/10/2003-14:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! ( Louis--Bamix)
MESSAGE: I know it's naughty to place a link here to non classic site, but here's the link to the Bamix site. Further discussions (and perhaps recipes?) in the Sandbox!

Louis
LINK: http://www.bamix.com/

*****Post# 27329-3/10/2003-14:40 ||| max-extract (vancouver)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Stainless Steel)
MESSAGE: This site continues to fascinate and delight me. Very happy to find all of you! In regard to the stainless steel, Asko does currently produce a stainless steel version of their TOL in Canada. It is very beautiful...

*****Post# 27330-3/10/2003-15:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: I must make a trip to de south and see that washer!
It must be like heaven to see that machine operating..... :-))

*****Post# 27331-3/10/2003-16:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: I believe Jon LeFever in Maryland also has that set or a very similar one in turquoise.

*****Post# 27333-3/10/2003-17:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: No washer, just the console. Both the washer and dryer were completely rusted out. The consoles were the only things worth saving. They were the first machines I collected, before I knew what I was doing. (That's not to say that that I know what I'm doing now any more than I knew 3 years ago...)

-ph

*****Post# 27334-3/10/2003-17:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Stainless Steel)
MESSAGE: And then there is the new painted finish that looks like SS. We saw one this weekend at the Sears Outlet with some scratches in it. Not pretty...

-ph

*****Post# 27335-3/10/2003-17:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Nice impeller, NOT!!!)
MESSAGE: LOL... That is a spray arm... There is one just like it under the upper rack. They didn't get pics of the spin tubes that run along the right and left sides of both the upper and lower racks.

*****Post# 27337-3/10/2003-17:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: That's right. That was a fun machine to watch running. I hadn't seen the Kenmore version in operation up til then.

*****Post# 27338-3/10/2003-17:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: It's ok Peter, I'm at the beginning stages myself and learning as I go along. We all have to break some to fix some....

*****Post# 27340-3/10/2003-17:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: Actually it was the combo I was talking about having seen operating. The turquoise topload set I don't believe was hooked up to utilities. If memory serves it was a "Lady", so my guess is in 1964 it would have had a black RotoSwirl with the detergent cup over the scrub cap. I don't think those skinnier gold ones came out til a few years later.

*****Post# 27341-3/10/2003-17:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Tide Ad on Ebay
MESSAGE: 1956 AMC washer in a kind of yellow. I have never seen an AMC washer this old, looks like a neat ad.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3213350916&category=13596

*****Post# 27343-3/10/2003-18:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Since we have a few dishwasher fans, could you school me on the Kelvinator dishwashers.
Were they any good?
Was it a step above Maytag or below White Westinghouse?\

There is one for sale on eBay, but no picture to view though.....
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=2312161195

*****Post# 27344-3/10/2003-18:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: I was right about the agitator. Here is a link to pictures taken at Jon's house. Both the turquoise set and the combo are included, and some other great machines. Enjoy! :)
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/3+-+Collection+at+John%27s+Maryland+House&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/3%2b-%2bCollection%2bat%2bJohn%2527s%2bMaryland%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 27345-3/10/2003-18:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashers
MESSAGE: If it was an American Motors Kelvinator, it has the same insides as the older Sears dishwashers, with the round rotating upper rack. If it was after American Motors, I'm not sure, probably Westinghouse or something.

*****Post# 27347-3/10/2003-20:09 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Hi Mike& Angus-next MASSWASHIN??)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon, That date will work for me and I would love to come down for the Wash-in. I am about an hour from you if that so its very doable. Let me know details and such.
Mike

*****Post# 27348-3/10/2003-20:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Classic Detergent is back?
MESSAGE: I was at Winn-Dixie today and strolling through my favorite isle I saw Classic Arrow Detergent. It was in an upright box just like the old stuff and the directions were. For standard size washers 1cup, for large capacity washer 1-1/3 to 1/2 cup. Compact washers (ie: Lil' Lady) 1/2 cup. For front loaders 1/3 cup and gradually add until the suds covers 1/3 of the window. HUH?

No phosphates though. Wuzz up with that stuff? Is this some gimmick or is it a real classic formula of detergent.

I remember Tcox telling me that Winn-Dixie detergent used to be a big suds maker. Well there it is, Todd. I'm sure the WD near you has it.

I'd like to see a trend start. Classic Tide and classic Downy. Comeon P&G you can do it!

*****Post# 27349-3/10/2003-21:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Nice impeller, NOT!!!)
MESSAGE: A Spary Arm?? You mean like a lawn sprinkler? Oy, for green grass I'm sure it would be fine, but I can't image that it could get any dishes properly clean. Its a interesting idea though, one that will probably fail miserably! I just can't keep up with all these new fangled inventions.

*****Post# 27350-3/10/2003-21:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tide Ad on Ebay
MESSAGE: I had that exact washer once, except it was called the Coronado as opposed to AMC. It's where I got that tall red agitator with the high fins. I wish I didn't get rid of it now. Sighhhhhh.

*****Post# 27351-3/10/2003-21:33 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Twintub Spinner Washer on Ebay (NEW MEMBER)
MESSAGE: Hey Coldspot! Welcome and yes, we all share your love of appliances. I'm also from MA and my family also had a bottom freezer Coldspot, purchased around 1960. Great refrigerator! It was still working when my mother sold it around 1982.

*****Post# 27354-3/10/2003-22:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (and new from GAIN)
MESSAGE: Oh Boy/!! Just what we need. A bunch of fabric softeners with the same names as detergents. All and now Gain. Although I'm trying the all right now.

*****Post# 27355-3/10/2003-22:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Nice impeller, NOT!!!)
MESSAGE: I know. I immediately realized the spray tubes weren't there. I've been waiting to see good pics of this mahcine to see how the tubes compare to the Frigidaire Spray Tubes of the 50s and 60s. Looks like they finally stole some of us' idea, a spray tube WITH a WASH ARM IN THE BOTTOM. WHAT A DISHWASHER THAT WOULD HAVE MADE FOR FRIGIDAIRE!!!! Would have put KitchenAid to shame for sure!!!

*****Post# 27356-3/10/2003-23:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Stainless Steel)
MESSAGE: It does look nice, but I've discovered that not all stainless is that great to have. I bought a Magic Chef all stainless microwave last spring. Didn't really need it, but It was stainless inside and out. Well, I hadn't used it much, but discovered that it was getting rust stains on the outside of the cabinet. Cheap brushed magnetic steel. Fortunately I was able to return it (yeah, Costco!) for a full refund. I put my old Kenmore porcelain coated microwave in its place. I actually like the operation of the Kenmore better, anyway.

*****Post# 27357-3/11/2003-00:53 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (and new from GAIN)
MESSAGE: I have to go shoplifting tomorrow so I will get some. I'm out of detergent and fab softener. I think I'm out of d/w detergent too.

*****Post# 27358-3/11/2003-02:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: That set is absolutely beautiful. I had the "Artsy shot" as a desktop picture for a while.

Louis

*****Post# 27359-3/11/2003-09:15 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: POD: '60 Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Wow, what a beaut! I don't recall ever seeing a '60 console before. I'm familiar with the machines before and after, but I honestly don't think I've ever seen this one. Oh, for the days when companies made frequent style changes. Think of all the rather radical stylistic changes in Frigidaire's from 1955 to the mid '60's.

Does anyone in the club have a '60 Frigidaire in their collection/photo album? Would like to see more.

*****Post# 27364-3/11/2003-12:42 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES!
MESSAGE: Thought you guys might want to grab this one! I don't know the Kenmore's like I should but I think these are some of the first Kenmore Electronic machines. Best of luck, Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2311149713&category=20714

Actually.......... I believe those have to be the last generation Lady Kenmores. Or.... quite possibly, the last generation "Limited Edition" Kenmores. Either way, these were the VERY Kenmores that were in production JUST before the first Kenmore Elites appeared.

But I'll tell you something else..... I may not have much to say these days, but it looks like to me that the last couple of days here at "Classic Appliances" were pretty good days to be a Kenmore fan (like myself) if I don't say so myself.

Yesterday, I saw that 1963 Lady Kenmore Dryer (1963 was a GREAT year to be born...... Am I a lucky devil or what???? LOL) that you all had linked from "e-bay". One BEAUTIFUL looking "coppertone" machine. And I can say from personal experience, that was one cool dryer too. My aunt on my late mother's side had the 1963 Lady Kenmore set, but her's was pink I believe. Either way, those were very cool machines.

I also just saw that Lady Kenmore Washer that one of you also had linked up from "e-bay" today. I can tell just by looking at that washer that it is a 1976-78 model. Now.... what I want to know is what color it is??? It appears to be a "metallic" looking coppertone. I am not sure. Is that a limited edition machine that Sears has put out back in the late 1970's.

By the way...... those electronic Kenmores are a gorgeous looking set. And they appear to be in great condition. I don't see those lasting long on "e-bay". Those will be going REAL fast.

--Charles--

*****Post# 27366-3/11/2003-13:20 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Control panel cover is???)
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott,
I believe that it is and I can kick myself in the *As* the World Turn for throwing one of these beautiful machine with the basic black panel into the crusher one spring morning last year.....
Oh my heart is still broken up about it!

*****Post# 27367-3/11/2003-14:05 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Scott's Awesome '60 Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Thanks for pics, Scott! It's a gorgeous machine. I'm completely envious of ALL OF YOU with classic GM-era Frigidaire's. I was in possession of a late 70's 1-18 for a year, but had to sell it when I moved. I almost had to take to my bed when Frigi's went WCI. The world is so full of evil, isn't it? ;)

*****Post# 27368-3/11/2003-14:11 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite)
MESSAGE: Anyone correct me if I am wrong.
I had this set, same color and all.
It was an Elite set.
I think that the 80's belt drive of the electronic sets were still the "Lady Kenmore" set.
I had two sets of them.
I wish that I would have kept the belt drive machines! They were very nice.
Brent

*****Post# 27369-3/11/2003-14:12 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: '60 Frigidaire (where are Scott's pics? NICE!)
MESSAGE: Scott,
I did not know that you had this machine.
It is in wonderful shape!
Thanks for the pictures!
Brent

*****Post# 27370-3/11/2003-14:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Control panel cover is??? I see these at times!)
MESSAGE: Hello,
I see these at times in Atlanta.
I wish that I could find a good one. They are really cool looking.
Usually, they are rusted out really bad, so I past on them.
Congrats on your winning bid!
Brent

*****Post# 27371-3/11/2003-15:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Control panel cover is??? I see these at times!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Larry on winning that machine. That makes two wins for you on ebay recently, no? Best of luck with it.

Anthony

*****Post# 27372-3/11/2003-16:47 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite)
MESSAGE: That was after the LE and before the Elite. The Elite no longer had the light and was also sporting a new console design.

I too had the same model set...I think my TOL GE's replaced the Kenmores. That was so washers ago I don't remember.

*****Post# 27373-3/11/2003-17:02 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashers (for parts only)
MESSAGE: I emailed this guy a few questions and in a nutshell he said he mangled it up pretty bad getting it out, otherwise it was fine before, 1961 and yellow, he said it would only be good for parts........ to bad he wasn't a little more careful taking it out, maybe he tried or didn't care, who knows, was frustrating to read his email and know that it was both fine working and appearance wise..........he has no pics......

*****Post# 27375-3/11/2003-17:09 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: '60 Frigidaire (where are Scott's pics?)
MESSAGE: wow, Scott !! What a great machine and in such great shape, good for you , I love it............

*****Post# 27376-3/11/2003-17:45 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Everybody bid fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Control panel cover is??? I see these at times!)
MESSAGE: Thanks, it seem like rust can put a damper on any appliance enthusiast who can always try to work around this problem if parts are available and I wish that most home owners would work on a way to deal with humidity within the laundry area.

After going back and reading up on this beautiful set a short time ago, it turned out I was right about the set in question. The electronic Kenmore set that you are talking about is a 1994 Kenmore "Limited Edition" set. And if that was the set that you have had, then you had a Kenmore "Limited Edition" set from 1994. That set, right along with the last generation "direct-drive" Lady Kenmores (actually, they're both one and the same machines when you stop for a moment and think about it), were the last generation TOL electronic Kenmores to come along before the first Kenmore Elites came along back in 1999.

In 1999, when we saw the first Kenmore Elite (and I believe that was the Catalyst model), they re-did the cabinet, the control console (if you noticed the difference, the Kenmore Elites do NOT have lighted consoles (SHAME ON YOU, WHIRLPOOL!!!!!! MUST HAVE BEEN A COST CUTTING MOVE, EH?!?!?!!)), and the way that the lid opens. On the previous Lady Kenmores and the Limited Editions, the lids of those washers opened toward the left, and now, only on the Elites, the lids open toward the back.

And to correct you again....... the belt-driven electronic Lady Kenmores were from 1980 until about 1983. From 1984 on, they then became Limited Edition models I believe. I have a Sears 1985 F/W Catalog to document this very fact. That catalog has the belt-driven Limited Edition pair inside of it. The black set is featured in the catalog.

--Charles--

*****Post# 27378-3/11/2003-17:50 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: This months owner manual
MESSAGE: I don't think I understand the "pilot switch" on the gas dryer. Assuming the switch turned pilot on/off, how did it get lit orginally? Seems kinda early for electric ignition, but no info given on how to start it. Anybody got any ideas?

*****Post# 27380-3/11/2003-18:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashers (for parts only)
MESSAGE: Goodness, why would he post this and wished to make a profit when the goods are damaged? Pics should be mandatory in order for a buyer to make a bid so we will not fall pray to rotten goods.......

*****Post# 27390-3/11/2003-19:36 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: This months manual
MESSAGE: I my gosh!!!!!!!!!!!! This is where my grandpa worked! He designed for whirlpool! The washer we had until I was 5 years old was a test model! NEVER released! My Grandpa also had a digital electronic Kitchen aid, but under the Whirlpool name, that also was never released! That it why my "Childhood Surgilator" was so important to me! Becase it is only in rare cases that I see it in different models! I have never seen the same exact model as ours.

*****Post# 27391-3/11/2003-19:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: This months manual
MESSAGE: Jamie, do you remember Leslie from the convention? He works at Whirlpool too!

*****Post# 27392-3/11/2003-19:56 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Charles,
Sorry you had to spend so much of your day in Research about this.
I am going to have to find the pictures of the set that I had. My set looked just like the set on ebay, that I bought in 1998...and I can promise you that it was a Elite Set. It looked just like the one on Ebay, and had the light. A friend of mine had an exact set also that he bought in 96' and it Did Not have the Elite title in the name, but did say Limited Edition.
All of my other sets that were electronic, and the belt drive era were the "Lady Kenmore" Limited Edition name.
The belt drive machines were great, and very good with clothes. The "Elite" model direct drive was not so kind. It was what Bob refers to as the Shreadmore! On top of that, the computer boards on both the Dryer and the Washer had to be replaced twice. I got rid of them after about 2 years. Very nice looking pair, just did not do it for me.
I regret getting rid of the belt drive pairs.
If anyone is interested in what ones I had.... The first set had a "toggle" switch on the left for On and Off, and a long row of cycles across the board with little red lights that would light up above the selection. The pair that I had before that had a "toggle" switch on the left for on and off, and a square membrane in the middle of the panel to pick cycles off of. Both were mint when I sold them. I was young and stupid, and wanted the latest.
Brent

*****Post# 27393-3/11/2003-20:07 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (I don't know why the "
subject drift"
stated that. )
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I don't know why the subject drift stated what it did. I must have run out of room.
It was going to say..."Very Intersting".
I don't know how NOT got into it.
Don't want to offend anyone.
Brent

*****Post# 27394-3/11/2003-20:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's WP washer (that is nice but 50's?)
MESSAGE: Greg, we had another member at one time that had a very similar if not the same machine. I think they decided it was a 1960 or 61 model.

*****Post# 27395-3/11/2003-20:12 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: This months manual (Once again! Very Intereresting!)
MESSAGE: That is cool Jamie!
What happend to that machine!
That would be very rare indeed!
Brent

*****Post# 27396-3/11/2003-20:37 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: This months owner manual (I am interested in this also, since I like gas!)
MESSAGE: This was a great Operation Manuel of the month. What a wonderful set.
I am curious also what the was the "Pilot Switch" and how did it work. Does anyone know?
I love gas dryers. Does anyone in the club have this model dryer in gas or electric? Such a beautiful set!
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 27400-3/11/2003-21:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's WP washer (50's WP washer)
MESSAGE: It's very similar to our 1962 Whirlpool. But ours had only three temp combos, and the timer was a knob with a pointer and the cycle markings on the console face, instead of a knob with a skirt. The left side of the console on this one is also different, somewhat more ornate. Does it maybe have a console light?

*****Post# 27401-3/11/2003-21:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's WP washer (50's WP washer)
MESSAGE: Yes I think this particular one does light. The Whirlpool museum section has Brooklyn Robert's, which is very similar, though his appears to be even a slightly higher model than the Ebay one, with pushbutton water temps.

*****Post# 27403-3/11/2003-21:33 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's WP washer (50's WP washer)
MESSAGE: LOL, I tried making a console light, a kind of hood affair out of scrap pieces of wood and an incandescent light socket with a cord, and melted a hole in the top of the console. Luckily, my parents weren't particularly upset about it!

*****Post# 27405-3/11/2003-22:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (and new from GAIN)
MESSAGE: Jason, I think that's a worse state to be in than being out of bathroom tissue!!! OY

*****Post# 27406-3/11/2003-22:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Look out here's a Kenmore........
MESSAGE: Me 2 Luigi!!! I loved it. Quite a conversation piece when people would see my PC (located in the dining room--best location so that I can always hear the washer dryer, and dishwasher running and can surf at the same time!!!)

*****Post# 27408-3/11/2003-22:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Brent, I vividly remember both of the belt-drive electronic control panel versions you had. !!!

*****Post# 27410-3/11/2003-22:53 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: '60 Frigidaire (where are Scott's pics?)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, That is one beautiful machine. Awsome control panel my favorite of the Frigidaire Line. Do you use this machine as your regular or is it just for collecting. Enjoy it!
Dan (Bendix5)

*****Post# 27411-3/11/2003-22:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: '60 Frigidaire (where are Scott's pics?)
MESSAGE: Thank you! The machine works beautifully, and I use and enjoy it semi-regularly, and we also have a new Kenmore. I also have a Hoover twintub washer I hope to have up and running sometime this spring.

*****Post# 27412-3/12/2003-02:07 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator removal question HELP (1967 Frigidaire Washer Agitator help:)
MESSAGE: Hi! this is Steve, a newer member. I wanted to give you some feedback about the Agitator Bellows Nut info. All of the Nuts are counter-clockwise for off and clock-wise for tightening. By they way, try putting some WD-40 over the Nuts to help loosen any possible Rust holding them on. I hope that this helps you, I used to have several Frigidaires of the era, so I know for sure. If you want to contact me directly, my E-Mail Address is: SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

Good Luck, let me know if this helps. If you find that the Machine seems sluggish after working on it and Testing it out, let me know, I will then input what I was told about of what to do to remidy that too.

Best regards, Steve
"aka" SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

*****Post# 27413-3/12/2003-02:20 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Members, I'm also newer to the Club and I feel like Todd "Washerlover" about like I'm an outcast and not having anyone give a Damn about answering my comments and/or possibly having any info for me about my questions. I've written a few times and never have had any responses, other than E-Mailing with Todd, Mark "BigRffan" and Bob "applnutt" and talking on the phone to Bob often.

I feel like retiring my Membership and not coming back to check things out on the Site any more and I don't want to feel like that. I hope to hear from someone real soon and hope that someone will check my questions and comments and give me some feedback and also maybe let me know what I might need to do to feel more like I belong, instead of feeling like an outcast.

Regards, Steve
"aka" SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

*****Post# 27414-3/12/2003-04:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne
MESSAGE: I was looking at the trading post web site today and for some strange reason I thought I would see what was on offer in Melbourne rather than Sydney.

I found an add for a Simpson Fluid Drive with 8 programs for sale $100. Its been years since I seen one of these beautys!

Also two adds for Hoover 620's. I dont think there are any left in Syndey!

*****Post# 27415-3/12/2003-04:45 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: You should try being one of the babies all the way on the other side of the world. I have very little to contribute!
But I have gathered myself a nice little library of videos thanx to this site, which I enjoy immensely!
I had heard of orbital kelvinators and pulsating frigidaires but never in my life did i think i would see one or get to see it operating!!

Do you have a link to that website? Especially when there's a picture I would love to see it. I browse through the Australian eBay ads now and then, but I haven't seen that many Australian classics yet.

A warm welcome from the other side of the Atlantic ocean. And a warm welcome to the other new members as well. I'm sorry if you feel left out, I'm sure there is no intention to let you feel that way. There are times that you don't get any response here, especially if noone has an answer. Nobody will answer a post saying:"I don't know". A lot of posts are read here without commenting them, but that doesn't mean they aren't a contribution to this site. I hope you decide to stay longer here and give Applianceville and yourself a chance and in the meantime enjoy the things what this site has to offer.

BTW, if you ever visit a convention of this club, you will be hooked forever!

Louis

*****Post# 27418-3/12/2003-05:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a )
MESSAGE: The electronic control Lady Kenmore machines came out in 1977. I bought a washer dryer pair and an also new for '77 electronic control dishwasher, all of which are still in regular use, although the dishwasher really needs to be pulled out and worked over, leaks, won't shut off, door springs broken, dryer fan makes noise, detergent cup won't open, racks rusting away (it's on it's second set of racks) Just waiting for a day when I have lots of time and patience.

I also have a top loading Kenmore dishwasher from I think about 1962, works perfectly and interior (pink plastic)has held up much better than the newer electronic model.

I was amazed to find this site, I thought I was the only one who cared about old appliances.

*****Post# 27420-3/12/2003-07:01 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out: (welcome)
MESSAGE: Welcome Steve, I sent you an email which pretty much says the same as "foraloysius" in his post. I have read and appreciate your comments. I don't always respond/comment on every post, it would take up to much room and time and I too have put questions out here myself and never got an answer. But for the record I appreciate everyone's helpful input.........and if I do not get a response I simply assume that one does not know the answer, or simply has no reply. I know that an effort is made to try and keep all postings geared to antique/vintage/classic washing machines and to also keep people's feelings and emotions out, hope you can stick around and enjoy the positives and accept on some level some of the unfortunate negatives, like in any club I guess, take care.......

*****Post# 27421-3/12/2003-07:36 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Wash In
MESSAGE: Are there any wash in's this spring or summer in New England or New York. I have never been to one, but looking at some people's machines would love to see them running.Any info? Thank's.

*****Post# 27422-3/12/2003-09:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash In (Wash IN 5th Of April weekend)
MESSAGE: Shawn: Yes I am planning a wash -in here in Boston , the weekend of the 5th of April. Keep it open and I will let you konw the details
jon

*****Post# 27423-3/12/2003-10:59 ||| Mago9 (Columbus Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a )
MESSAGE: Wow, could you scan the pic from the 1985 set in the F/W catalog and post it?

*****Post# 27424-3/12/2003-11:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: Welcome Steve, I don't think I could possibly say it better than Louis. I hope you will be staying with us.

*****Post# 27425-3/12/2003-11:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a )
MESSAGE: Welcome Kenmore 1978, I was just wondering yesterday when the electronic Kenmores had come out originally. One of the other members just obtained a 1976 Lady Kenmore, but it's all mechanically controlled. It's a great machine but different in premise than its predecessors, where the electronic I guess would be the next step.

An aunt of mine had the electronic dishwasher of that era for many years and was quite pleased with it.

*****Post# 27426-3/12/2003-12:56 ||| GEWasherGuy (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: Mid 1970's and 1980's GE Washer Owner's Manual
MESSAGE: Does anyone out there know if a GE Washer Owner's Manual from the mid 1970's and 1980's has been posted in the Monthly Owner's Manual section of this site and if it has if it will be posted sometime again. I would LOVE to see it. Thanks for any information. My mother was a big GE fan and her appliances at one time were all GE. I love anything (old magazine, newspaper, articles, etc) concerning these machines.

the trading post is just a huge list of classified advertisments. No picutres like ebay. If there was a picture (and man I wish there was) I would of posted it so I could share this beauty with you all.

I havent come across anything really old on ebay though recently there were some nice looking early 80's models which i kept the picture to post in my album. I grew up with these early 80's models as my Aunties all had Simpsons (and I was always trying to trip their danged lid switches)

I think that the lack of basements in Australian homes and regular council hard garbacge collections on the road side have cleared out most of the classic machines htat people may of had hiding in their garages.

The link to my photo album shows pictures of different Hoovers and Simpsons. Many of them are 80's machines ar ethese classics? I say they should at least be veteran machines. Almost Classic.
LINK: http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/ozziewasher/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

*****Post# 27428-3/12/2003-16:09 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1970's and 1980's GE Washer Owner's Manual
MESSAGE: bummer i just sold a ge washer and dryer with the mini basket and all that had manuals to them =( Very very cool machine i loved how the mini basket fills and how the water swirls out the little holes at the top. overflow rinse and solid tub =)

*****Post# 27429-3/12/2003-16:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne (No Picture )
MESSAGE: Is it my imagination or do some of the Hoover models look suspiciously like the Fisher & Paykel's ? Are these machines direct drive or do they have transmissions? Mark

*****Post# 27430-3/12/2003-16:31 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: Hi Boys! Please don't feel left out! There's a LOT of nice guys here. I never answer a question unless I know the machine VERY well. If it's a Maytag question, I help. If it's a question about another brand, I wait for one of the experts to answer and I learn. I HATE to look like a dummy amongst the experts. Usually though it takes the experts a while to answer as they hold full time jobs, are busy restoring, or are at work on this website keeping it up and running. While I have worked on lots of machines, there are guys here that even have part numbers memorized! Now with that said, WELCOME TO THE CLUB! Mark

*****Post# 27431-3/12/2003-16:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne (No Picture )
MESSAGE: Thanks for those pictures. I like the Hoovers better than the Simpsons, although the name Simpson Genesis is cute. I think we agreed a while ago on classic washers being older than 20 years, so some of them are classics to that standard.

Louis

*****Post# 27432-3/12/2003-17:13 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Who made "The Oven That Goes in the Dishwasher"?
MESSAGE: Was it Frigidaire, GE or Hotpoint (or someone else) who made an oven with removable Teflon-coated walls that could be cleaned in a dishwasher made by the same manufacturer?

I remember seeing ads for it. If memory serves, you had to remove the upper rack from the dishwasher and load the side, top and bottom panels from the oven in the lower rack. The back of the oven had to be cleaned by hand, though I may be wrong about that.

The Sears Kenmore "Electronic" Dishwasher that your aunt had from that era, was that the 1979 model that had the row of electronic controls on the front of the panel, with a digital readout timer that was on the left, that could be covered by a sliding panel cover, right????

My aunt (on my father's side) also had that VERY dishwasher. A honey of a machine. She had hers from 1979 until about 1994 or 1995.

And as for the followup on the availability of the first electronic Lady Kenmore Washer, 1978 would be the correct year. The Lady Kenmore Washer that preceeded the first electronic was indeed the one with the mechanical controls on it. I know who he is and what his name is, but anyway, he's from New York, I understand. And he was the one who that 1976 Lady Kenmore off of "e-bay" yesterday. I cannot wait for him to comment on that machine once he gets that beauty home and get it hooked up. That's a beautiful machine. And for it to be a 27 year old washer, it looks like it is in immaculante condition too. But anyway, that was the VERY washer that has preceeded the first electronic Lady Kenmore back in 1976. And actually, it was still available in 1978 if memory serves me correct. What Sears has done then was pair that washer up with the all push-button electronic Lady Kenmore Dryer that was out that year..

But aside from the keyboard Lady Kenmores from the mid 1960's and the electronic ones from 1978 on, the 1976 "Mechanically Controlled" Lady Kenmore was one of my all time favorite machines.

I am in complete agreement with you..... that was a great machine.

--Charles--

*****Post# 27434-3/12/2003-17:35 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!!
MESSAGE: Oh, bummer, I missed the Home Show -- both of them, in fact. I wanted to go but then completely spaced about it. Oh, well, maybe next year.

*****Post# 27436-3/12/2003-17:42 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Felt Left Out, but better now, and other info:o)
MESSAGE: Hi! Dear Friends who have answered my Post about how I was feeling from not hearing from other Guys of the Club. I feel so much better now and really appreciate those who have replied and I wish and hope that I will hear from others eventually as well.

By the way, I want to share with everyone now as I have with Bob, "applnutt" that I just installed last November, my new 2003 Maytag Tall Tub Dishwasher Model #MDB7600AWW and I have gradually given it the Testing of how well it will get my Cookware especially without touching them at the Sink first for getting clean. I had a Cassarol Dish with even Cheese as part of the Ingredients and it was heated at 375-degrees/F for 45-minutes and after serving, it had dried on excess on most of the Dish area. It got totally clean, through the total Cycling I gave the Dishwasher, I decided to have it really
"do it's thing" of every option that I could select on the controls. By the way, I also at this time use the Electrosol Tablets and I only use 1-Tablet even for real full dirty loads. I am very pleased with the Cleaning ablility and the new Style.

I did have a little trouble with the Installation, because of my space where the Dishwasher is Installed, from the original 1954 Hotpoint Gravity-Drain Dishwasher my Parents had in the Kitchen when they bought the house in 1957. The smaller height space of the Taller Tub Dishwasher below and the position of the Water Valve being too close to the front-left bracing of the Dishwasher, slowed me up somewhat but it finally got installed and works great.

I also had one of the Screws that anchors the Dishwasher to the Kitchen Cabinet Counter area fall off my Screwdriver right into teh Tub and under the Mechanism, so even before getting the Dishwasher installed, I had to take the Lower Power Arm and the housing below that apart to get the "blasted" Screw out, because naturally it got wedged behind the framing of the housing to where even if I had a Magnet I couldn't pull it out that easily and fortunately I had the tools to take out the Screws, because they aren't typical Screw-Heads {lol}...

I've gotten to know Bob "applnutt" and we talk quite often on the Phone {bless his heart} he has been a real nice newer Friend and he told me about not to use the Tablet Detergents with this Dishwasher, because of not being able to control the amount needed for the "Soil Level" and I told him that I had just bought 2-new Boxes that I was going to use up before starting getting the Powder again. I used to use Cascade and Sun-Lite, but I started using Electrosol Tablets with my 1995 GE Profile Dishwasher that my Partner {deceased 4-years} bought for me, that this Maytag replaced. I think that I'm going to stay with Electrosol Powder, unless someone has another Brand they would like to share with me. I was originally looking into the prior year typical dual door Maytag, that I had on Lay-Away, until the new Taller-Tub
3-Rack became available, but they wanted $100.00 more than what I really wanted to pay, so I decided to get the 2-Rack at the same price of the previous year Dishwasher and honestly I'm not really sure if I would have actually used the 3rd Rack as much as it would be worth for me.

I look forward in hearing some feedback about my new "Toy" Maytag Taller Tub Dishwasher and what others think about them and just to keep in touch with me. Take care until later, let me know how you are all doing and what's happening with you.

Best to all, Steve

*****Post# 27437-3/12/2003-17:42 ||| Chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's WP washer (that is nice but 50's?)
MESSAGE: I just saw this Whirlpool Washer just now, and from looking at it, it is DEFINITELY an early 1960's washer. I would guess that it is probably a 1960-63 model.

That would be my guess!!!!

--Charles--

*****Post# 27438-3/12/2003-17:49 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who made "The Oven That Goes in the Dishwasher"? (Re: The Oven That Goes in the Dishwasher:)
MESSAGE: Hi! This is Steve "aka" SactoTeddyBear and I might be wrong, but if my memory isn't failing as bad as other times {lol} I believe that it was GM-Frigidaire, because it seems to me that GM-Frigidaire was always wanting to try special ways to make every day duties of Cooking and Laundry better and easier for the Consumers. It makes sense to me, thinking back as well as when they came out with the "Pull-N-Clean" Ovens that allowed you to clean the Oven Walls with it sitting on the Door, without having to stoop down or kneel on the Floor to get the back area of the Interior cleaned.

I hope that this helps you with your search inquiry. Please let me know as well as with the other Club members if I am correct or if it was another Company, I'm curious to know
"who dunit" too.

Best Regards, Steve

*****Post# 27439-3/12/2003-18:16 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who made "The Oven That Goes in the Dishwasher"?
MESSAGE: I think it was Frigidaire - I know they had a pull-out oven, and it sounds like the sort of neat tie-in they'd do. My friends have one of those ovens, and while it pulls out, it's certainly not something you'd want to do in a trim plaid jumper with a fresh ribbon in your hair like the girl in the Frigidaire Ads.

*****Post# 27440-3/12/2003-18:18 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse refig
MESSAGE: I have a friend that has a Westinghouse fridge that is about 30 year's old. It is in good running condition and is still in use today. It is brown in color and no frost, I think it it is 14 cubic foot in size. Is there anyone out there that would want this fridge? She is thinking of redoing her kitchen and I would hate to see this fridge just thrown out in the trash, as it is the last of the real Westinghouse line
Thank's

*****Post# 27441-3/12/2003-18:29 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: New GE Digital Washer at Sears:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club members and Friends, I'm wondering if anyone else besides myself has seen the new 1-touch programmable
GE Digital Washer? I saw it at Sears near where I live this past Monday, March 10th. They didn't have the Matching Dryer on the Floor yet, due to space. It has actually a real neat Console and it also has a Ribbed Stainless-Steel
Tub/Wash Basket. It is too bad however that GE can't for whatever reason add a Detergent Dispenser, like a lot of other "TOL" Manufacture's Models are having these days. By the way, this new Washer was listed at $879.95 at Sears {WOW}!!! It has an 850-rpm Spin capability.

I also went on the GE Web-Site on Tuesday Night and found out that they are beinging out in June a Front-Load Washer and Dryer and the Washer "communicates" to the Dryer to set up the proper Cycle and Temperature for the type of Laundry being Washed. The Washer has a 1000-rpm Spin capability and both the Washer and Dryer have Windows on them. They have a "msrp" of $1,998 to $2,398 for the pair/set. They have "LCD" Touch Screens and the Model Numbers are: Washer #WPGT 935OC and Dryers #DPGT750EC and #DPGT750GC. The Dryers have 2-Motors and are 7.3-cu.ft. Drum and the Washer have a 4.0-cu.ft Drum/Tumbler interiors.

I joined this group shortly after it got started on Yahoo Clubs (this is not the frequently-mentioned SandBox). Someone had mentioned washers of unusual design, and I threw in some questions and comments about the orbital-action Kelvy my grandmother had for a short while in the late-1960s. I have around 20,000 messages saved from there, which does NOT include the posts in Applianceville!

I don't have a collection, and only have vintage memories and an occasional fun story to contribute. It happens quite often that there are no direct responses to messages that I post. Sometimes that irritates me a bit, but generally I just don't care. I certainly don't reply to every message that others post, even though I do read and enjoy them.

I think the serious collectors do sometimes look down a bit on those who don't have collections. However, they have put a great deal of time, effort, and expense into their collections, and I guess it's understandable that those who don't have collections are seen more as "interested onlookers" than as "participants." Having attended both the Minneapolis convention and the Beltsville convention, and meeting several of the serious collectors, I can say that they are all gracious people.

There's occasionally a bit of ruckus regarding keeping discussion of "modern" appliances out of here and in the SandBox @ Yahoo, and I think that is sometimes taken too far. It's unfortunate when someone is fussed at and chased away for asking a non-vintage question. What's old is new (witness the Calypso being similar to and borrowing from several vintage designs), and what's new will one day be old, and ALL of it is fun and interesting.

Hmm. As an aside, I just took a look through the new member sign-up screen and the "how to post" instructions and don't find anything (unless I missed it) that explicitly prohibits discussion of non-vintage appliances, nor is there mention of the Yahoo SandBox.

Anyway, my advice to you is . . . don't leave! Keep visiting here, enjoy the pictures and activities of the collectors, the discussion among the non-collectors, and post whatever comments, questions and stories you have that are relevant to the subjects at hand.

*****Post# 27444-3/12/2003-19:45 ||| coldspot66 (SOUTH OF BOSTON, MASS)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New GE Digital Washer at Sears:
MESSAGE: hi to all! you must be talking about the new ge harmony washer & dryer. have read about them in appliance service news. the article says that they might be sourced from lg electronics (lucky goldstar). the ge set supposedly has no agitator, whereas the lg machines do.

*****Post# 27445-3/12/2003-20:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: Some good points Glenn, especially since we don't specifically state our "charter" so to speak. Anyway, after you read this return to the home page and then return back to Applianceville. I just added new text and a link to the sandbox in the white page instructions below the pink index, including a statement of what it takes to be a classic, vintage or antique appliance. I know that question is always a sticky one, but we might as well settle that once and for all. Anyway, consider this the first draft, we can make some slight modifications if necessary.

*****Post# 27446-3/12/2003-20:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: TOL GE Spot-scrubber
MESSAGE: I know this may be off topic, but is a TOL GE Spot-scrubber with mini basket consider as an vintage machine due to the fact that it is the last of the old design before the plastic one took over and is it worth saving?

Just checking....

*****Post# 27447-3/12/2003-20:30 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: New Member w/ Maytag A108 & DG608
MESSAGE: Hello all- I've been lurking here for a while, but haven't contributed because I didn't own any machines until this last weekend- I'm a new homowner, and just bought a Maytag A108 washer in avocado and a DG608 dryer in White. They Rule! And way cheaper than buying some garbage new stuff at Lowe's. Anyway, just wanted to thank the board in general for pointing me in the right direction. On vintage guitar oriented boards, you hear of a phenomenon called G.A.S., which stands for Guitar Acquisition Syndrome. I think of this place as the W.A.S.H., or the Washer Acquisition Syndrome Helpline.

Thanks!

*****Post# 27448-3/12/2003-20:38 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member w/ Maytag A108 & DG608
MESSAGE: I would love to recruit more people into this madness.....

*****Post# 27449-3/12/2003-21:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: The guy that is selling me that Kenmore washer that I've brought on eBay is selling a GE range for $150.00 and if anybody wants it, please e-mail me at: lr9711@cs.com or lr9711@hotmail.com and I will send you his e-mail address.

*****Post# 27450-3/12/2003-21:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: That is a very nice range indeed, I saw it on Ebay and didn't realize it was the same person as the washer. I've always thought that was a nice design and don't really understand why no one makes it anymore. You get your two ovens in the same size as a regular range, and have that nice eye level upper oven.

*****Post# 27451-3/12/2003-21:46 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: Looking to find a vintage washer dryer/advice
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,I alway's thought I was the only one that loved major appliances!how nice to find this wonderful web site!
I am somewhat in the dark here. A always had Fridgidaire washing machines. First a 1963 bought used,which didn't work when I bought it,and I could never find parts for.Then a 1971 Jetcone 18 lb. which used up two clutches.Now I have a 199? Magtag,that is full with about 3 shirts and a one pair of jeans! Also the clothes are alway's too wet when it's done. No wonder Magtags last so long...... They never do any work!Anyway I'm looking for advice from club members. How does one go about locating vintage appiances,othe than refrigerators and stoves? And when you do,how does one obtain the replacement parts? It seems that Fridgidaire is most popular,is it the best,of just because their cool to watch? I've thought about GE brand also? What is the capacity,and spin speed on them? Can anyone steer me in the right direction please? Thanks!

*****Post# 27452-3/12/2003-21:46 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: Looking to find a vintage washer dryer/advice
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,I alway's thought I was the only one that loved major appliances!how nice to find this wonderful web site!
I am somewhat in the dark here. A always had Fridgidaire washing machines. First a 1963 bought used,which didn't work when I bought it,and I could never find parts for.Then a 1971 Jetcone 18 lb. which used up two clutches.Now I have a 199? Magtag,that is full with about 3 shirts and a one pair of jeans! Also the clothes are alway's too wet when it's done. No wonder Magtags last so long...... They never do any work!Anyway I'm looking for advice from club members. How does one go about locating vintage appiances,othe than refrigerators and stoves? And when you do,how does one obtain the replacement parts? It seems that Fridgidaire is most popular,is it the best,of just because their cool to watch? I've thought about GE brand also? What is the capacity,and spin speed on them? Can anyone steer me in the right direction please? Thanks!

*****Post# 27453-3/12/2003-22:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: I guess they fell out of style, it was a 70's thing and for it to continue through out the 80's was a miracle. I think people didn't need the use of a dual oven range at that time and if we really think about, new homes are being built with dual oven walls or high end ranges with side by side ovens.....

How strange it may seem, they need to revamp the idea and try to market it again!

*****Post# 27455-3/12/2003-22:15 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out: (Welcome Steve)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve the same goes for me. I really don't post often but have gained so much knowledge from this group not to mention some wonderful new friends. Glad that you are here. Terry

*****Post# 27456-3/12/2003-22:29 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: POD??
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any idea of what year that ad for the Launderall might have been? I was amazed when I saw that one of the seven places that had plants for these was Danville, Illinois. This is where I have lived for the past 33 years. I have never seen or heard of anyone having one. Of course I really didn't get into this until about three years ago. I think I may have to make a trip to the library and see what I can find out. Jon I didn't realize that you had one of these. Is it working? I would really love to see this machine one day. They seemed to be very much ahead of their time. Thanks for any information anyone might have. Terry

*****Post# 27457-3/12/2003-22:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD??
MESSAGE: Kewl! How fun to find out these were made in your back yard! Maybe you'll find some info on the facility.

*****Post# 27459-3/12/2003-23:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a )
MESSAGE: Welcome Jaune. It's always an understated feling of when one discovers that there are so many others out there like us--appliance nuts. Yeah, D&M dishwasher racks don't hold up well. Glad you've gotten through only two sets so far.

*****Post# 27460-3/12/2003-23:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD?? ('48)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, I pulled that Launderall ad out of a March 22, 1948 Life magazine. Let us know what you find out about the F.L. Jacobs Co. in Danville.

*****Post# 27462-3/12/2003-23:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (Scott......)
MESSAGE: AFAIK, Whirlpool's first electronic model, the LFA-9800, hit just about that same time, somewhere between 1977 and 1978. Interesting, I figured Sears woulda pre-empted Whirlpool by at least a year or so.

*****Post# 27463-3/12/2003-23:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who made "The Oven That Goes in the Dishwasher"?
MESSAGE: But Dan, I thought ALL appliance ads portrayed the most PERFECT situation for that appliance to be used DAILY.

*****Post# 27468-3/12/2003-23:33 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber
MESSAGE: I saw a GE pair in harvest gold at a little flea market-type outfit this morning on the way to work. The dryer had pushbuttons, so maybe was a somewhat upper-model. I couldn't see the washer's panel, may not have been a matched pair. Can't finger the year, don't know GE that well, but it looked possibly mid-1980s.

*****Post# 27470-3/12/2003-23:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: I had to hit the "Refresh" button as some browsers don't automatically refresh this page every time you enter Applianceville.

Good wording and definition Robert, but it makes me feel old - I'll never admit to being more than a "classic"... ever.

*****Post# 27471-3/12/2003-23:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Feeling left out:
MESSAGE: Greg, you were a "classic" when you were still wet behind the ears!!! wouldn't wanna trade you for anything.

*****Post# 27472-3/12/2003-23:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: My sister has one in her kitchen that she loves and will probably miss when she moves to another house. A grand range but better in turquoise ;-) Being a bit taller than the average homemaker, I never particularly cared for the height above the cooktop. Taller pans and stock-pots can be nearly impossible to see and stir in the back and if placed in the front, block the back burners. I would imagine the advent of the microwave oven lessening the need for two ovens for some cooks (I love having two in my 40" range) and probably the unit's cost as well. My aunt had one of this style with a full-size microwave instead of the second oven above. She ended up having to replace the entire unit when parts were no longer available for the microwave.

*****Post# 27473-3/13/2003-00:19 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: Personally, I could never go back to one oven, and have pretty much weened myself off of the microwave. It was suprisingly easy to do once I remembered Jiffypop. Try it sometime. It's a hoot, especially if you're entertaining kids.

I find the "swing-away door" and "see-level" ovens, as well as the convenient lower level of the "rollaway cooktop" on my flair eliminates most of the problems you cited, Greg.

But after all, the Flair was the zenith of stove design. It's all been downhill since then ;-)

....and when you get right down to it, isn't everything better in Turquoise?

*****Post# 27474-3/13/2003-00:37 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New GE Digital Washer at Sears: (Re: New GE Digital Washer extra info:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Coldspot66, I'm sorry but I should have clarified that the GE Digital Washer I'm talking about that I saw at Sears is a Top-Loader with an Agitator, but the ones that you mentioned about are Front-Load and are the ones coming out this June. The other sets are the new Harmony I read about on the GE Web-Site.

Thank you for your reply about my posting, I really appreciate the feedback. Take care until later, keep in touch.

Best to you always, Steve

*****Post# 27475-3/13/2003-01:27 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Posting Replies:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Member Friends, thank you very much for the support I've gotten from those who have replied back to me. This really made my day and lifted my Spirits, after everything that has been going on with me for quite some time now.

I look forward in hearing from you Guys again and any others that would like to give me any other feedback to my questions or comments.

Best Regards, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"

*****Post# 27476-3/13/2003-01:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber
MESSAGE: Boy, is this confusing! I read Potscrubber instead of Spotscrubber (never heard that name until now). Wondered what a dishwasher with a mini basket would look like...

Well, I'm just out of bed LOL

Louis

*****Post# 27477-3/13/2003-02:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member w/ Maytag A108 & DG608
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! Something is going on in California, more new members from there. I don't know how far you are from eachother, but a Californian wash-in should be held!!

Louis

*****Post# 27478-3/13/2003-02:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking to find a vintage washer dryer/advice
MESSAGE: And another member! Welcome! I had a look at our profiles, we have over 450 members now!

Louis

*****Post# 27479-3/13/2003-02:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking to find a vintage washer dryer/advice (Looking for classic Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Forgot to ask, are there any estate sales where you are? I wish we had them overhere. I hope somebody else can give you good advice on how to look for classic Frigidaires. Keen an eye on the ads on this site too.

Louis

*****Post# 27480-3/13/2003-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Posting Replies: (Interest in modern appliances)
MESSAGE: Glad you're staying. BTW, I noticed you have an interest in modern appliances too. Do you know the Appliances Forum of the Gardenweb? Lots of interesting things going on there at the moment, quite a few threads about new washers etc. The link will bring you there.
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/

*****Post# 27481-3/13/2003-05:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES! (This set was the Elite (No.... that is NOT a )
MESSAGE: Yeah, and they're EXPENSIVE! Sears wnats $80 just for the lower rack. Somehwat cheaper from Johnstone Supply, I noted.

*****Post# 27482-3/13/2003-05:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range
MESSAGE: So who was making Sears dishwashers for them in 1962? In the very first episode of "Bewitched", I noticed the same model as mine, but it had a WINDOWin the front of it! Sure wish I could find that model. Also in "Bewitched", Samantha had a Frigidaire Flair electric range. My Dad bought my Grandmother one back in 1961 or thereabouts, had to change her whole electrical service to install it (her service was still original 30 amp 110 volt at the time)

*****Post# 27483-3/13/2003-06:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
I bought the trading post today and saw the same ad.
I am tempted, but I have no room at all at present. Two washers at present are outside in the weather...
If I go to Melbourne in the next couple of weeks I will phone and check it out.
My Nan had a Simpson Fluid Drive for a few years but never liked it.(unreliable) It was a flash looking machine, the only illuminated control panel washing machine I have ever seen and made in Aus too! If the advertised machine was one of those I'd probably have to snap it up but there are several different fluid drive Simpsons and if it's a plain jane version I'd probably leave it.
A person on a farm near here had an immaculate Hoover 520 (blue control panel) stored in a sheep holding shed and when it was last used it had only a trivial "fault" - she claimed it was leaking grease onto the clothes, I looked at it and could find no sign of a fault. These Hoovers have a high spin tube that goes well above the highest water line, so the agitator shaft seal doesn't have water against it (apart from what splashes against it)and grease leaks are rare and generally leave traces. This machine had no symptoms and at the time I was stumped so it went into the shed and I gave her a Hoover Zodiac 480 front loader. Since then I have learned about "scrud", the residue that builds up when only cold washes are done (yes, her washer was only connected to cold) particularly when cheap detergents and fabric softeners are used. Now some years later the Zodiac is back at my place as its drum bearings are shot and the cabinet rusted out at the suspension mounts. I will either sell her another zodiac 470 I have rebuilt, clean out the old 520 top loader for her, or swap the 520 for the zodiac. (her choice)
There are no shortage of Hoover 620's in Melbourne, there are always a couple at the recycle centre in Geelong (usually trashed).

Best Wishes

Chris.

*****Post# 27484-3/13/2003-06:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: POD?? ('48)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, Thanks so much for the information! I will let you know what I find out about the plant here. Hope that all is going well for you! Terry

*****Post# 27485-3/13/2003-06:46 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne (No Picture )
MESSAGE: Ohh goodness me No!
Fisher and Paykel and Hoover are mortal enemies.
The Hoovers (and their Admiral and Norge badged clones) and the Simpsons (and their Malleys and Westinghouse badged clones) all use simple planetary reduction gears, not really "transmissions" like US or older Aussie style machines. The motor turns one way for about one second, then pauses for about half a second, then turns the other way for about a second to give the wash action. Simple single speed motor, belt drive. They are very basic/simple in operation, unlike the sophisticated F&P though they achieve similar wash results. Spin is much slower except on the latest versions.
Any further discussion had better be in sandbox as these are not yet classics though the series started in the eighties...

Chris.

*****Post# 27486-3/13/2003-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: And I thought I was the only one
MESSAGE: Wow, look at all the new members showing up! I remember almost 2 years ago searching and searching for Kenmore 800 on the internet and finding NOTHING. Also searched for antique washing machine, old washer etc. and finding wringer washers. While those are cool, I rather the automatics.

Actually, I didn't find the Yahoo club at first. I found a link to this site on THS.

And let me tell you new memebers here. Just wait till you attend a convention or a wash-in. You won't feel left out there. I still remember going around and playing with all the Kenmores.

*****Post# 27487-3/13/2003-08:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber
MESSAGE: Thank buddies, I never performed surgery on an GE before and it will be my first with nervous hands. It's here and I may have to do some major work to jump start her.

This will have to wait in-line until I get my two Kenmore's up and running then I will see if I can deal with the White Westinghouse front loader.....

Oh...., so much work to do, not enough time!

*****Post# 27488-3/13/2003-08:40 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES!
MESSAGE: I was looking hard at the machines and this is the third generation of this electronic Kenmore. If I'm correct, this washer is a direct drive unit.

How would I know?

Look at the dryer, on the side wall panels has indents and if it were to be the old style it would be smooth and the lint filter would have been on top rear. Now as for the washer, by looking at the the width of the cabinet, it's narrow and that makes it an direct drive. If it was a belt drive add one inch to left and right side of the door and that will make it 29 inches.
Yet still, they are nice looking machines!

*****Post# 27489-3/13/2003-08:40 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL ELECTRONIC KENMORES!
MESSAGE: I was looking hard at the machines and this is the third generation of this electronic Kenmore. If I'm correct, this washer is a direct drive unit.

How would I know?

Look at the dryer, on the side wall panels has indents and if it were to be the old style it would be smooth and the lint filter would have been on top rear. Now as for the washer, by looking at the the width of the cabinet, it's narrow and that makes it an direct drive. If it was a belt drive add one inch to left and right side of the door and that will make it 29 inches.
Yet still, they are nice looking machines!

GE tubs do turn loosely. If you turn it by hand in one direction, I believe it will turn forever, but if you turn it in the opposite direction, about 2 1/2 turns and the brake should kick in and stop it. I've had many bad transmissions in my GE's in the laundromat, but never a tub-turning problem.

Which Activator do you have: the ramp, the little 8 vane, or the hi-boy 4 vane? I can probably get you one easily if you like (getting around to mailing it is a different story...)

Lid bumpers are like 75 cents each at your local appliance parts store.

-ph

*****Post# 27491-3/13/2003-10:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: The Flair is truly a wonderful thing! I am very happy to see over the last few years there are still more than a few out there. When I eventually create my mid-century dream decor, I definitely hope to have one as part of it!

*****Post# 27492-3/13/2003-10:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: I remember the microwave ones. I've never been much a microwave person and wouldn't want to give up an extra oven, but those were out at a time when microwaves were so large in size, and I think people saw it as a way to save counterspace.

*****Post# 27493-3/13/2003-10:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range
MESSAGE: I think it was "D&M" at that time too. Was the upper rack, a removable roto-rack?

*****Post# 27494-3/13/2003-10:54 ||| operaghost666nj (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: A little help please!
MESSAGE: Hi again to all on this board. I'm fairly new here but already feel at home :o). I have rescued a wonderful old Hotpoint upright freezer. Is there a way to date it from the catalogue # 125EM12 or the serial # 0446944 ??? Thanks - Linda

*****Post# 27495-3/13/2003-12:39 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any historical background on D&M? Some of their designs were pretty interesting. Does anyone remember the Tappen d/w that had the big revolving drum mounted horizontally under and through the bottom rack? I had the owners manual for it and stupidly threw it away years ago. I remember the Tappen service guy that handled our model homes in the mid 70's remembered them and got me the manual. He said they wouldn't work well unless completely level. The inside was interesting to look at.

*****Post# 27496-3/13/2003-12:56 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A little help please!
MESSAGE: This one is very tough to try to crack the code?
Did you try calling GE to see if they can give you an answer?
If not, I hope someone here can give you a hand or you may want to try your luck at the link below and ask a few members there since this is a topic on freezers and you may get an answer from one of those appliance repair man which helps on that message board!

Also Welcome to the club, pull up a chair and let us face the slanted front Westies and watch it turn!

*****Post# 27498-3/13/2003-14:31 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: And I thought I was the only one
MESSAGE: Yes, when I joined the club 1 1/2 years ago there were not as many members but thanks to word of mouth etc. this club is really taking off in my opinion.

Just wanted to share in the fact that I have bid on a 1971 Lady Kenmore set in Turquois on Ebay. The seller says that they are in mint condition. I am waiting for pics to be sure. I did not think that Turquois was still available then. Maybe the year is wrong.

Wish me luck!

*****Post# 27500-3/13/2003-14:57 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse)
MESSAGE: Peter, this sounds close the unit. As I recall the "drum" did reverse direction. It was mounted front to back, the depth of the tub. Lower rack straddled it. I'm not sure about how top rack was washed, maybe spray arm. The drum would sling water in one direction and then the other.

We have a 1969 Frigidaire Custom Imperial 40" range. One oven is self cleaning; the other has panels that can be removed for cleaning. Haven't tried it; been told that they don't go back in too easily. I think I'll just leave everything in place and try Easy-Off or some such cleaner.

Happy Washing, Happy Baking!
Duane

*****Post# 27502-3/13/2003-16:28 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse)
MESSAGE: I also remember this machine. Saw one once in someones garage & remembered that it was very different. Wish I had have paid more attention to the machine, Wish I could see a pic now just to jog my memory. The reversing drum sure got my attention.

*****Post# 27503-3/13/2003-17:08 ||| COLDSPOT66 (SOUTH OF BOSTON, MASS)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (D&M?? Oven panels in Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: HI GUYS,
D&M STANDS FOR DESIGH & MANUFACTURING CO.
THIS COMPANY MADE DISHWASHERS FOR PRIVATE LABELS LIKE SEARS ETC.
ANY MANUFACTURER THAT DID NOT MAKE THEIR OWN DESIGN SOURCED D/W'S FROM D&M. IE NORGE, PREWAY,KENMORE, MAGIC CHEF,ADMIRAL,CALORIC,GAFFERS&SATTLER ETC. WHITE WEST BOUGHT THEM OUT IN THE MID 80'S I THINK. I PRETTY SURE THE DESIGN HAS BEEN RETIRED EXCEPT FOR THE 18" DISHWASHERS. THAT IS STILL THE D&M MOTOR AND DESIGN. WE HAD A KENMORE TOP LOADER FROM 1967. GREAT MACHINE FOR IT'S TIME. HAD A TOP REVOLVING ROTO RACK THAT DID A GOOD JOB OF WASHING, BUT HAD NO FILTERING SYSTEM. HOPE THIS HELPS!

*****Post# 27504-3/13/2003-18:08 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Here are a few photos of that lady Peter and the agitator is the spiral ramp. There is no rush on this on mailing of the agitator, I'm taking it one machine at a time and whoa, I need to get my act together before I get in too deep! *Smile*

*****Post# 27505-3/13/2003-18:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: And I thought I was the only one
MESSAGE: I too found this club when it was still a Yahoo group through THS!
That was such a revelation for me! But now we have this web site with its libraries and hte Museum!! Which I am sure will get bigger as dear Uni finds more time!

BTW if you have any machines out there please make them available for submission to the museum!

*****Post# 27506-3/13/2003-18:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Gizmo Classic Simpson in Melbourne
MESSAGE: I suggest you get that Fluid Drive quick smart and you get the Hoover 520 and clean it up nice. OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Two favourote washers of mine i have goosebumps.

Fancy abandoning Whitegoods for focusing on red wine for crying out loud.

*****Post# 27508-3/13/2003-18:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 1971 Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: I think the yearis wrong, but I wish you the best of Luck!

*****Post# 27509-3/13/2003-19:12 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse. Sounds cool!)
MESSAGE: I have never seen this type of dishwasher. Would love to see one though.
I get the explaination of the drum, but can't in my mind figure out how it would work.
Does anyone have anymore information on this Dishwasher? It really sounds like it would be a rare find.
About what year was this type of wash action used by Tappan?
Brent

*****Post# 27511-3/13/2003-19:14 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos) Looks in good shape!)
MESSAGE: Your GE looks like it is in good shape. Have you tried to run it at all?
I would think that the biggest thing to go wrong witht this machine would be the transmission.
By the way, did you say that you had a Westy Front loader that you bought? If so, let us see it.
Man, Your collection is really growing.
You thought your dad was going to kick you out when you brought that Jamestown Dishwasher home!
I guess you are hiding them somewhere else now!
Have fun!
Brent

*****Post# 27512-3/13/2003-20:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW)
MESSAGE: My grandparents had a Tappan DW and I remember opening it and trying to spin the drum as fast as I can. I only got to hear it run ONCE in my lifetime.

I remember the detergent dispensers were two little cups on either side of the drum.

There wasn't a spray arm (I think) on the top level so I'm sure it had poor washing.

*****Post# 27513-3/13/2003-21:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW Okay, so a drum you can spin?)
MESSAGE: Okay???
I am trying to think of a dishwasher with a drum. Kinda like a dryer, or a front loading washer? That filled with water, and turned, sloshing water onto the dishes? Is this kinda how it worked?
This sounds like a wild washer....!
Could you take the racks out and do a load of laundry? LOL.
Brent

*****Post# 27514-3/13/2003-21:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW Okay, so a drum you can spin?)
MESSAGE: No it wasn't a big drum like a front loader washer. Maybe "drum" isn't the right word. It was more like a cylinder that spun and was supposed to throw water on the dishes.

*****Post# 27515-3/13/2003-21:28 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW Okay, so a drum you can spin?)
MESSAGE: Sounds very interesting!
Would love to see one work. Even if it did have a good washing system or not.
You have to give it to the designers for being different!
I am so glad that this subject came up!
Thanks for sharing Jason.
Would love to hear other members that had experences with this dishwasher.
Brent

*****Post# 27517-3/13/2003-23:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Electric Range
MESSAGE: My sister had one of these with the full-size MW in it in a townhouse shoe bought in 1979, but sold in 1981 to move to Dallas.

*****Post# 27518-3/13/2003-23:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber
MESSAGE: Luigi, don't feel bad. When the Spotscrubber washer came out, I had to do a triple take to make sure I hered & read it correctly.

*****Post# 27519-3/13/2003-23:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse)
MESSAGE: My Godfather had one of these when they moved into a new house in 1962 or 1963 (along with their 1950 Frigidaire fridge & WO65 washer). The upper rack was washed by the currents of water cascading over the load as the drum reversed each time it started a "spray" cycle. The top rack wasn't completely joined across. It had a large enough gap that allowed one to load the dishes into the bottom part of the rack. The "rack" itself was all one constructin, meaning, when you pulled it out, both levels came at once. Dishes loaded like a Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher, from back to front, facing the front.

*****Post# 27520-3/13/2003-23:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (D&M?? Oven panels in Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Duane, D&M stood for Design and Manufacturing. As for the Norge POD, it was about a 1964 or 1965. It was one of their first perforated tub models. There aws one of these in the "museum" on Saturday night in the MD. convention, the timer shaft had been seveerely bent. I did get to play with it a bit after we plugged it in, but the motor kept overheating. I wanted to show everyone the loud braking noise, how it sounded when it shifted to high speed spin and ramped up frojm a complete stand-still to begin spinning. And I wanted to show everyone I could still find the "unmarked" suds return area on the timer.

*****Post# 27521-3/14/2003-00:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1971 Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Bruce, I vaguely remember seeing the last of the Kenmore Turqoise run appliances in about 1968 or 1969. I'd be shocked if it went as far as 1971. Come to think of it, I do not remember seeing any Turqoise appliances on the sales floor when we bought our 1970 or 1971 Kenmore 800.

*****Post# 27523-3/14/2003-00:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse. Sounds cool!)
MESSAGE: What was the first year of the Lady Kenmore with the 2 rows of big buttons (like the one that would have been available in 1971)? I know I saw that style machine in turquoise in a used appliance store in the early 80s, but I don't know what year it was (didn't know how to tell then). It did not have a flip cover for the console, and it had a metal lid handle, not just that little indentation.

*****Post# 27524-3/14/2003-00:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Larry a very NICE find. Now, if anyone is wondering as to why the Mini-Quick cycle setting was after the Knits cycle setting on the "Special Cycles", that's because on the Knits cycle, therre was a brief agitation for 2 or 3 minuters and then a 2 or 3 minute soak. Then another 2.5 minute agitation (Mini-Quick setting) before the spin out of wash water.

*****Post# 27525-3/14/2003-00:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW Okay, so a drum you can spin?)
MESSAGE: Brent, the "drum" was more like a "large spray tube" similar to a frigidaire that was placed under the bottom rack. In fact, the bottom rack curved up over & around this cylinder. The cylinder ran from back to front of the machine in the middle. At the back of the cylinder were little baffles that created thewaves of water that shot up and casscaded up over the dish load. Also, the bottom of the tub sloped down to the center to force the filled water into the "well" of the area "flooding" the cylinder area. The cylinder rotated at a very high rate of speed. Incidentally, during the dry cycle, the cylinder continued to run to crate some sort of forced air drying currents. Also of note, during a particular "wash phase" the machine would have the cylinder rotate for a couple of timer increments in one direction. Pause for a timer increment, then reverse rotation direction. The detergent dispenser was a fine mesh affair that was reminiscent of the small items basket of KA Superbas in the late 1960s. It was a divided compartment affair with a lid;. The water currents penetrated it and caused the soap to dissolve over time. If I got too zealous with the cascake, Finish, or ElectraSol, the granules would never completely dissolve by the end of the last rinse phase. So care had to be used in not putting too much detergent in so that it would be flushed out by the time the rinse cycles started. TYhat dishwasher seemed to take quite a long time in its day simply because it had a (maybe the timer incremented at 30 seconds) timer increment pause while it reversed and then another timer incremented pause before each drain period. I remember the rinse & old cycle being almost 10 minutes long, filling twice. Whereas the KitchenAids and Waste Kings of the era only filled once and were finished in less than 7 minutes.

*****Post# 27526-3/14/2003-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse. Sounds cool!)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it, this just hit me. The house we bought in Serptember, 1961, had had one of these very same dishwashers installed in it from the previous Spring's Parade of Homes Tour. But, it was under the O'Keefe & Merrit Name, but exactly the same as my Godfather's. My mother did NOT want this dishwasher because it didn't appear to hold very many glasses and its inferior washing mechanism. We brought out our 1959 Wasste King and took the O'Keefe & Merrit and put it in our old home for the new buyers.

*****Post# 27527-3/14/2003-00:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan forward and reverse. Sounds cool!)
MESSAGE: Friends built a house in the back of hte subdivision in about 1967 or 1968. (1969 at the latest, it was about the time I went into Jr. HIgh) It was an all Kenmore Turqoise house, complete with LK washer & dryer with the two rows of large hoizontal key buttons.

*****Post# 27528-3/14/2003-00:57 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD?? (Re: Launderall Washer Age:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Terry, this is Steve "aka" SactoTeddyBear. I happened to get my Ads I Bid on at E-Bay the other day and one of them is interesingly the Launderall Washer. I don't know if they were Manufactured before this Magazine's Ad came out, but this is from the Woman's Home Companion Magazine, dated July 1946. The Photo to me makes it look kind of like an original ABC-O'Matic Washer. It certainly was a simple operation of controls. It has a Water Temp Handle-Like Lever on the Front-Left Side and one that is to Start the Machine on the Front-Right Side and and a Handle in the Front-Center between the other Handles to open the Lid and stop any operating actions. There is a small Square Window in the Lid, similar to the Late-60s Frigidaire Washers, except the Lid opens from front to back and a small opening door in the middle/lower front, that I'm guessing might either be an axcess panel to the Pump {like the 1952 Kenmore had on the left-side of the cabinet} or a Lint Filter cleaning area. The Manufacture info on the Ad says;
F.L. Jacobs Co., Detroit 1, Michigan. Plants in Detriot, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Holly, Mancelona, Mich., Indianapolis Ind. and Danville, Ill. The Ad also says; Nationally distributed by 5,000 carefully selected dealers. I hope that this helped you with a little more info about this neat Washing Machine. Take care until later, let me know if you know of any other years of production, I would like to know further about it, or if any other Club Members might know if it was Manufactured more then 1-year, please let us know.

Best Regards, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

*****Post# 27529-3/14/2003-01:24 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Posting Replies: (Re: Interest in Modern Appliances:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Louis, thank you for your kind reply and info. I'm not sure how you meant for me to connect to the Site about the info below, could you please give me some more info?

{Do you know the Appliances Forum of the Gardenweb?}

Although I do like newer Appliances, that is in the regards as to my own Kitchen and Laundry Appliances, but I am in the process of attempting to get my Garage cleaned out, so I can hook-up my 1982 and my Parents 1985 Lady-K's separate Washers and Dryers and my older 1960s Lady-K and 80-series Combo's, after I do some more clean-out and checking of the Combo's.

As you can see on my Profile, I have owned several older Machines, as with my Parents Appliances included, since I lived at home with them until I was 20-years old.

Interestingly, I'm living in the same house now, since my Parents Death's and before I can attempt to run the Combo's, I need to establish a dedicated Circuit because I want to run them at the same time, to Wash and Dry in both of them together. I also need to figure out an adaptable Venting System to the outside that they can operate together, including in the Dry Cycles. I think that I do have that figured out already, I just need to experiment and adjust the Venting. Thanks again for your reply and info, I look forward in hearing back from you when you have a few minutes to write back to me with some more info.

Best Regards, Steve

*****Post# 27530-3/14/2003-02:18 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Late 1960s or early 1970s Dual-Tub Hotpoint Washer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club member Friends, does anyone remember the era of Hotpoint Washers that had 2-Tubs? It was similar to the
GE Mini-Basket, but with the Hotpoint you would use both Tubs at the same time and the Washer would fill at separate Water Temps. I believe they had the Curve Ramp Agitator and the upper add-on Wash Basket had an outer rim Seal and I believe that it had the "Cake-Pan" Filter like the GE's had. I used to work at a local Appliance, Builders, Carpet, Furniture Store and at that time they had Maytag, GE and Hotpoint for their Appliances. I always wanted one of the Dual-Tub Hotpoint Washers to check out and I would still like very much to own one. If anyone know of any where-abouts, please let me know. From what I also remember the Timer Dial had a Golden or Silver Ring around the outer area, making it seem like a Flood Light look and the whole Timer Face turned with the Knob to set the Cycles. I don't remember for sure, but I think it had Black Knobs for setting the Water Level that had the usual Fill Levels Low to High and a special setting for the
Dual-Tubs, Water Temps and Agitate/Spin Speeds and I believe the Water Temp Control was Dual for the Dual-Tubs Wash, but single for the Rinse Temps. If I also remember correctly, the Matching Dryer might have been the Extra Capacity which had the protrusion back and was the extra-wide Cabinet {32-inchs wide} and the Extra Large Opening Door.

By the way, is the Kenmore Washer on this Posting Page a 1963 Model? One of our Neighbors had one and I think it was a 1963 Kenmore that they had.I liked the Gold Colored Timer Knob. They had the Matching Dryer too.

I look forward in hearing from someone that might have some info about the Hotpoint Dual-Tub Washer and possible availability.

I have a request. Would you please not write in ALL CAPS? It's kind of difficult to read. Besides that according the internet etiquette it's considered shouting.

Thank you,

Louis

*****Post# 27532-3/14/2003-02:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Wow, that washer has many options! Question: What is the essential thing of the Spotscrubber. What does it do that other GE's with minibaskets don't do?

*****Post# 27536-3/14/2003-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan both levels at once)
MESSAGE: I don't remember both racks in my grandma's DW coming out all at once. But you might be right because it's been SO long since I've seen the machine.

*****Post# 27537-3/14/2003-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Tappan pausing)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember it pausing every 30 seconds. Was kinda aggravating because I wanted to hear the constant dishwasher sound I'm so used to hearing. You know, the hum of the motor, the water, the plates rattling a little.

*****Post# 27538-3/14/2003-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (My grandparents had a Tappan DW Okay, so a drum you can spin?)
MESSAGE: Wow, what a vivid memory you have there Bob - I barely remeber what I wore yesterday!!

I have never seen one of these Tappan dishwashers, but do remember a Westinghouse dishwasher with a similar mesh basket for dispensing detergent. Some friends had one in an apartment for a while, it was a dismal performer and there was always a little cake of detergent left in the basket after the cycle.

*****Post# 27539-3/14/2003-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Late 1960s or early 1970s Dual-Tub Hotpoint Washer:
MESSAGE: As far as I know, nobody in the club has one of these Hotpoint washers. It would be very interesting to see one of these - so many washers, so few left!

The washer in the posting page picture is from about 1957

*****Post# 27540-3/14/2003-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Late 1960s or early 1970s Dual-Tub Hotpoint Washer:
MESSAGE: As far as I know, nobody in the club has one of these Hotpoint washers. It would be very interesting to see one of these - so many washers, so few left!

The washer in the posting page picture is from about 1957

*****Post# 27541-3/14/2003-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Hi Louis - This was about a 1987 model, the Spotscrubber system was simply placing the stained/soiled articles into the mini-basket and using a double dose of detergent. I believe you then ran them through a normal washing cycle. I tried this with my GE and a bunch of socks in the mini-basket. With that concentration of detergent, they came out sparkling! Somewhere I have pictures of that 'washing event' and I'll have to post them. The entire wash tub filled with suds, which the washer struggled to get rid of after washing.

Greg

*****Post# 27542-3/14/2003-08:22 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: The "spotscrubber" washer had a few variations on the usual mini-basket theme. The mini-basket did not have drain holes in the bottom. There is a separate timer controlled recirculation valve governing the filter-flo.(that additional spotscrubber knob) The concept was to fill the mini-basket with recirculated water until full, then the solenoid valve would engage; prevent further recirc, so as to give a very concentrated wash, without oversudsing. During normal mini-basket use, the recirculation continued throughout the cycle because you did not set the spotscrubber timer. Kinda neat

*****Post# 27543-3/14/2003-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (yukky agitate shaft)
MESSAGE: Oops!!! I don't like the look of that agitator shaft. A new tranny might be in order. Call around for prices. Most stores will take the bad transmission in for a trade; they call it "returning the core".

Remove the 3 bolts holding the tub to the tranny and lift it out. Then remove the 2 clamps holding the boot to the top of the tranny and outer tub. Then using a ratchet set with an extention, remove the 6 screws holding the tranny to the frame. Lift it out and you are almost done!

*****Post# 27545-3/14/2003-09:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: No, I think the ad I remember said the wash arms actually reversed direction. Nothing about a drum or cylinder. This would have been early to mid 1970's.

-ph

*****Post# 27546-3/14/2003-09:47 ||| COLDSPOT66 (SOUTH OF BOSTON, MASS)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (Request)
MESSAGE: sorry for all caps! after i previewed the post i realized what i had done, but got so caught up in typing and didn't know how to delete the post and try again.

*****Post# 27547-3/14/2003-10:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg and Leslie for explaining. I guess that Spotscrubber option was only available on the TOL GE?

*****Post# 27549-3/14/2003-10:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Oooooh - very cool then. GE used their timer to switch the flow direction in the dispensall, didn't realize they used a valve on this one too. Makes sense though, good way to keep the suds down also. Do you happen to know how long it allowed circulation in the beginning? I had entertained the notion of plugging the holes in the bottom of my mini-basket to have a true solid tub...

*****Post# 27550-3/14/2003-11:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I think this 70's era dishwasher was another "unique" Tappan design. I remember that the lower dishrack actually had two long rear legs with rollers that would glide along the tub bottom. The plastisol coated steel dishwasher tub itself was supported at the rear with only a center leg and leveler. Getting back to the reversing wash arms, seem to recall they accomplished this with a spring in the hub of the wash arms that would "load" itself to the point where it would overcome the force of the spraying water; hence the arms would rotate in an opposing direction momentarily while the spring unwound, then the process would start all over again and again. The late 50's early 60's rotating drum model, had the main drive motor inside the drum with an axle that drove the drum flinging water......like a spinning tire on a wet road. There was a separate drain motor to pump the machine out. A rather bizzare, however, unusual arrangement!

*****Post# 27551-3/14/2003-13:07 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: Didn't GE address this issue with the "counter rotating" mini spray arms that were mounted on the ends of the lower spray arm? I think they rotated in the opposite direction of the main arm. I would think a "reversing" system would make for cleaner dishes, but the mechanics of it seem a little scary.

*****Post# 27552-3/14/2003-14:36 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms & GE Multi Orbit)
MESSAGE: Yup, GE Profile TOL units had this in the middle 90's for a short while. Prior to that, their upper end machines from the late 70's until the 90's employed the orbital wash arm. That system seemed to be very effective. My mom had a 1979 PotscrubberIII 1200 and a 1986 Potscrubber 2800 that she liked very much. Bob "Appnut" will chime in here too, as he has a beloved Potscrubber 1200.

The machine looks to be in great shape. You may find that it will not need much (hopefully). That is the same washer that I almost bought in the late 80's. Instead I purchased a Kenmore. I would have had more fun with the GE though. Good Luck

*****Post# 27556-3/14/2003-14:52 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: Vintage Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I'm having a hard time visualizing all these different and off-beat methods these vintage dishwashers used to clean! I wish I could see them!

Jim

*****Post# 27557-3/14/2003-14:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1971 Lady Kenmore (good luck)
MESSAGE: I just checked again on the location of the Kenmores. They are in Nashville TN. OOPS. I was way off.

*****Post# 27558-3/14/2003-15:05 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: 1971 Lady Kenmore ?
MESSAGE: I just got an Email with pics on the Kenmores. There were no pics with the add. OH MY GOD!. They are stunning. 1964' Lady Kenmore Set. In Turquois. They were owned by an elderly couple who could not use the washer because of their waste system. The husband put them in storage for all these years in temp controlled workshop. I hope I get them. Fingers crossed.

*****Post# 27562-3/14/2003-15:58 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help
MESSAGE: I believe it was Peter or Greg N who helped me with the two white 1/18's I found with model #'s "WIB" - 1979 ? and "WC" - 1976 ? ............ today I picked up a harvest gold 1/18 set, yes a matching W&D set in near mint condition, TOL, 3 spd washer, fluorescent lights on both, the W is model "WIC" and the D is model "DECI", I am guessing 1977? ...... just took pics and haven't got them off the truck yet so don't even know if they work or not. I also was wondering the dates of these others that I recently found............
Kenmore Washer Model # 6314802 - 1963 ??
Norge 18 Washer Model # "badly scratched" A (L or 1) 11850A05 - 1967 ??
and Frigidaire 1/18 single spd W Model # WAS - 1970 ?
Thanks, pics to follow...........

I think the Blades-of-Water agitator came in 1959. The POD is older (maybe early 1950s?), and surely is a solid basket, makes reference to a sediment ejector. Probably a 3-vane agitator, maybe with the rubber tips.

*****Post# 27564-3/14/2003-16:26 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Pics
MESSAGE: Can someone tell me how to post pics on this site. I am a member on Yahoo recently but have not posted pics. I could show you the Kenmores and my other toys.

Thanks

*****Post# 27565-3/14/2003-16:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: I hope that it is Bruce, but with all that rust on the shaft and the inner agitator spline stuck on it also? I just hope so.....

*****Post# 27566-3/14/2003-16:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics
MESSAGE: If you have aol aim, add me to your members list
lr9711 and I will walk you through it.

*****Post# 27567-3/14/2003-17:05 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: heh, this is the exact machine and matching i just sold to some spanish people for 175 but the washer was so cool. The minibasket gave me a taste of overflow wash and a solid tub =) Good luck with the repair, I get those ge's all the time as trades and they always work (well once one needed a pump) super machines.

I think the KM washer is a '63 (does anyone remember what year they switched the model numbering system to 1st and 3rd for the year?)

Don't know about the Norge, all the service lit. I have is older...

*****Post# 27569-3/14/2003-17:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD AGITATOR (Philco)
MESSAGE: Hi guys - you are right Glenn - the machine in the POD is from about 1956 and used a conventional aluminum agitator (no rubber tips, that was Hotpoint about the same vintage) in a solid tub.

I have posted the back page of this POD flyer in my album to read for more info, will link to it later as Yahoo is being fussy right now.

*****Post# 27570-3/14/2003-17:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics
MESSAGE: If you already have a Yahoo account, you just need to get to the yahoo photos page, set up an album (remember to select "public or everyone" for access options) and then upload the files of the pictures from your computer on the ADD PHOTOS screen in Yahoo.

Hope this helps, Yahoo is still acting weird right now but you should be able to get in later.

That makes three of us. I want to know where they are as well. And also, that has to be an early-to-mid 1960's Lady Kenmore set that they are talking about. That's got to be the set that is similar to John's set out here in Maryland somewhere.

--Charles--

P.S.: So..... whoever is bidding on them...... where are those LK's at. Provide us with a link or something??? Don't keep us in the dark. Why in the hell isn't "e-bay" showcasing that set yet anyway?!?!?!?!

*****Post# 27572-3/14/2003-19:55 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Blades of water
MESSAGE: I thought I was keeping up with all the descriptors, but "blades of water" got me. Can anyone explain, please?

The other Harmony Set are Washer Model #WPGT 9350 C, Gas Dryer #DPGT 750 GC, Electric #WPGT 9350 EC. The Washer connects to the Dryer to tell the Dryer which Cycle to use for Drying the Load being Washed. The Washer has a 4.0 cu.ft Cylinder and the Dryer has a 7.3 cu.ft. Drum. The Dryer has 2-Motors for operation and Blower running and Airflow. The Dryer at least has a Glass Window and they both have "LCD" Touch Controls. They are due to come available sometime in June.

The GE Web-Site mention's that they are due available for purchase someimte around June of this year. They also disclosed a "MSRP" of between $1,998 to $2,398 and
I'm assuming for the Set. Check out the GE Web-Site for further details of the new Harmony coming out in June.

I hope that this clarifies and does show that I do know what I wasas talking about when I first mentioned about the new GE Profile Top-Loader. I might not always remember Model Type Names, but I can remember and I know the diference between a Top-Loader and a Front-Loader, except for the unusual design of someting like the Launderall idea that it had.

Best to all, Steve "SactoTeddyBear...

*****Post# 27574-3/14/2003-20:50 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: Leslie, I looked in my old Tappan service manuals, and yes, there were springs, clutches and flapper valves inside the wash arms... they reversed when the motor paused... much like the Frigidaire Prescision Wash alternating washarms with the floating ball of today. Also, I have an owners man for the 1963 Tappan d/w, with the roll impeller; I'll try to get something copied & faxed to DaDoes (wink to Glenn) SteveD

*****Post# 27575-3/14/2003-20:55 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: half a find?
MESSAGE: hey, I have discovered in a friends' basement, the cabinet/lower part of a solid tub Hotpoint washer. The top had been removed and discarded, but is there any salvage value I should look for?? I dont want it for myself, but maybe someone in Appl'ville??? ....... SteveD

*****Post# 27576-3/14/2003-21:53 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Blades of water
MESSAGE: Blades of Water wash action was unique to Philco washers (during the Ford Motor Company era) in the 1960's. (It may have been introduced in with the 1959 model year.) There was a center post that held the dispensors. There was no agitator in the conventional sense. The wash action was achieved via an impeller that was located at the bottom of the tub. The company's print ads -- which were usually included in ads for Tide -- marketed Blades of Water as being gentle on clothes and tough on dirt. I've never actually seen it in action. For some reason, Philco never captured a very large share of the market here in New Jersey. (The fact that Consumer Reports never thought very much of Philco washers and dryers may have had something to do with their lack of market share.) I always thought that Philco made very handsome machines. I can only remember seeing one Philco dealer when I was growing up. It was located next door to a drive-in restaurant near the old Somerville Circle. My family sometimes stopped there when we went for drives on the weekends. They had picnic tables next to the parking lot. I usually got yelled at for spending too much time window shopping and not enough time eating.

*****Post# 27577-3/14/2003-22:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Blades of water (Philco marketing)
MESSAGE: In 1959, Philco introduced a new agitation method. Instead of the oscillating agitator, there was a rubber disk at the bottom that wobbled, undulated, or more scientifically, FLAPPED and produced the washing action. Let's see if we can find all the marketing terms Philco used thru the ages to sell this washer:

Automagic
Flex-A-Wash
undertow washing
Blades Of Water

Robert has one of the first models (link below to his restoration efforts). Greg has a later model to restore. Jimmy has the Dexter model and the later Philco-Ford glamour model. Jimmy also has an older Philco set that is a lower end model of today's POD with the oscillating agitator.

The Kenmore set that I have bid on is locatated in TN. I talked to John in MD tonight and he said that the set is a 65' with the pushbuttons on the top of the console. There were no pics on this add. I happened on the add by mistake on the Antiques section of Ebay. Sorry to keep anyone left out, that is not my intension, but I have not posted pics before so I am kind of winging it.

*****Post# 27581-3/14/2003-22:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: half a find?
MESSAGE: This is more than half a find! Can you find a model number anywhere on the cabinet? Could be a good parts donor...

You make it sound like so much work!!
A new cord and splash of Jubilee and it'll be good as new!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/June+2002+SD+Farm+Trip&.dnm=Inside+Miss+A.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp%3f.dir=/June%2b2002%2bSD%2bFarm%2bTrip%26.dnm=I%2bhave%2ba%2bbetter%2b%252766%2bpanel.jpg%26.src=ph

*****Post# 27585-3/14/2003-22:57 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Blades of water
MESSAGE: As you know that the Philco *Blade of Water* wash action is achieve today by the Kenmore/Whirlpool Calypso machines. The only difference between the two is that the KM/WP does not have the extended shaft like the philco, uses less water and the plate at the bottom extend to the side walls of the basket, but the plate moves about the same way! But in theory.....

So I consider the Calypso machine a supped-up Philco Agitmagic washer!

*****Post# 27586-3/14/2003-23:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Blades of water
MESSAGE: My bad!
Wrong machine, I though philco only made one type of agitating machine and now I see two.....
I must do a double take more often!

*****Post# 27588-3/14/2003-23:58 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Bid on Kenmore
MESSAGE: Hey there, I will more than likely bid on the kenmore washer & dryer set on ebay. If this is the set I think it is, those that have been corresponding with me know that I have been on a mission to find this set forever, as it is from my childhood, and my #1 dream machine. I can't even let myself imagine that this is the set until I get the pics, I never thought in a million years I might have a stab at getting these!

*****Post# 27589-3/15/2003-00:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TOL GE Spot-scrubber (GE rebuild (photos))
MESSAGE: Wow Leslie. Thanks for the info. I would have NEVER been able to conceive that scenario in my wildest dreams.

*****Post# 27590-3/15/2003-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: Peter, that what you arte referring to was called Tappan Reverse-a-jet dishwasher. Only ever seen with the lovely Carol Merril on Let's Make a Deal!!!

*****Post# 27591-3/15/2003-00:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: The last of the GM Frigidaire dishwashers had one of the arms of the bottom spray arm with a mini wash arm at the end that was probably counter-rotating.

*****Post# 27592-3/15/2003-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms & GE Multi Orbit)
MESSAGE: Yup, I will ring my chime here too!!! LOL. Leslie can explain the mechanics of it, but the spray pattern of the orbital wash arm changed over time, thus terrific cleaning power. There are times I can actually tell the spray pattern has changed between the beginnning & end of the complete wash cycle. Also, Terry Latz has a GE 1200.

*****Post# 27595-3/15/2003-01:56 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New GE Digital Washer at Sears: (Re: New GE Digital Washer at Sears, Update of Model Number:)
MESSAGE: Hey! I guess that you can't have everything that you want all the time, however I do agree that they should still have the Filter-Flow Lint Filter System and the Mini-Baskets for
Small-Quick Wash Loads and for the Spot-Scrubber Cycle Feature as well.

I'm starting to look around where I live in Sacramento, Calif for a GE Spot-Scrubber Washer and I'm on the search for a
1966 and 1970s 1-18 Frigidaire Washers.

I do have a White 1965 Lady-K Electric Dryer that is in pretty good condtion, except for possibly the Cabinet, due to be sitting outside even though being covered up and it has a new Heating Element installed a few years ago. It was a Neighbors Dryer and they had the Matched Washer until it want out and they bought the newer "Direct-Drive" Kenmores in mid to late 1980s. Their 1965 Lady-K Washer had the 8-Flex-Vane Agitator that doesn't have any other Vanes/Fins up the Shaft, just on the bottom of the Agitator and it was Gold Color. They have the Push-Button Selections on the Top of the front of the Console and a Fluorescent Console Light. The Dryer has only a Heat and Air Button that you push in on them to start the Dryer operation. The Dryer has only degree of Dryness Settings and the Timer determined when you are using Air Only to keep it running for a decent amount of time. If anyone is interested in it or a Harvest Gold late 1970s or early 1980s Gas Kenmore Dryer, I want to sell them for ??? The Gas Dryer has the Center Timer with the other Temp and Start Buttons on either side of the Timer and it does have Electronic Moisture Sensor Drying ability and the long Lint Screen on the Top of the Cabinet and the Full-Width Load-A-Door. This is a
Pre-Direct-Drive Washer and Matching Dryer Models being Manufactured.

*****Post# 27596-3/15/2003-05:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Blades of water (Philco marketing)
MESSAGE: And Peter don't forget that in one of the first magazine ads for the "new" Automagic in 1959, Philco used the term "high frequency" wash action that moved currents of water through the fabric 600 times per minute. The other marketing term that Philco used was the "Contourfill" extra large loading port that sloped toward the tub. Remember that the lids of later Philco machines literally were the whole top of the washer. Of course what was notable about that was that it was introduced in the mid 60's and now all remaining manufacturers of top loaders use a wide opening and loading port.

Unfortunately Philco was never a big name around here in CT either. They did make very handsome washers and dryers and I think their designs and innovations were very progressive for the times, but their reliability was considered consistently abysmal based on the annual CR reliability surveys from the 1950's through the early 1970's. The only exception I remember was in 1959-1960 - those were years where reliability was considered average.

Some time ago I was in the NYC public library going through the microfilms of all the old CR from the early 60's through the 70's. In one of those, they actually took the reliability surveys by brand and showed the detail of the individual rating areas - transmissions, leaks, electrical problems, motors, timers, belts, pumps etc... It was kind of interesting to see the detail, then you really understood why brands were rated as they were. Unfortunately, my two favorite brands - Norge and Philco had the poorest showing from 1954 through 1964 or so. Philco had at least a few areas that were average. Norge (and Westinghouse for that matter) were "significantly below average" in every single area for all of those years.

*****Post# 27597-3/15/2003-05:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD AGITATOR (Philco)
MESSAGE: I just thought the same thing. I wonder if Suntone is some kind of yellow - but Startone is a mystery - perhaps a very light blue?????

*****Post# 27598-3/15/2003-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD AGITATOR (Philco)
MESSAGE: Isn't that odd?? Usually you would see a sample of the colors or at least a more descriptive "startone blue"...

*****Post# 27599-3/15/2003-09:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: I remember family friends had a 64 tappan dw. From what I recall it had a regular spray arm at the bottom. (I could be mistaken) but I do definatly remember a full spray arm under the upper rack. I also remember their were 2 soap cups located in the front of the bottom rack. I would love to see the manual for this machine. I also remember it was a relativly quiet machine for that time.
Peter

*****Post# 27600-3/15/2003-09:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1962 Sears dishwasher, Frigidaire Flair range (reversing wash arms)
MESSAGE: Bob
Not all the models had the smaller arms attached to the bigger arm. Mostly the Tol models. They were real big dishwashers were you could load a lot of dishes even with the tower.
Pete

*****Post# 27601-3/15/2003-10:30 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics
MESSAGE: Bruce, I think you can go to "photos.yahoo.com" after you log in to yahoo and there should be some button to click on "create album" and then "upload photos", it is pretty easy..............

*****Post# 27602-3/15/2003-10:38 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help (thnx - 1 more)
MESSAGE: I assume based on the position of the lid safety switch that the "WIG" is a '79 as well ??

*****Post# 27605-3/15/2003-12:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help (thnx - 1 more)
MESSAGE: Did you find another one?? If the lid switch is in the back above the lint filter, it's probably a 78-79.

Take care - Greg N

*****Post# 27606-3/15/2003-12:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, here's a thought. I seem to remember that my ex is from the Revere/Malden/Lynn area and when we would go visit his mother, we would pass a Frigidaire dealer right on the main drag. I believe the name of the dealer was Sozio's and the building looked like it hadn't been touched since the 50's. They were probably a big Frigidaire dealer way back when and may have some leads on where you can find some machines.......

*****Post# 27607-3/15/2003-12:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help
MESSAGE: Of course this hint is for all of the Boston area members, but I figured if you are from Boston and the coastline, you probably knew this already!

*****Post# 27608-3/15/2003-17:21 ||| Tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Hey all. Haven't been on in a long time, but I wanted to get some conversation started on detergents. I have an "HE" (Frigidaire) washer, but don't really use HE detergents; the selection is limited, and frankly, boring. ANYWAY...what's up with the state of detergents in this country? I've noticed Surf is being relabeled as All. Is Unilever going to concentrate on Wisk and All only and retire Surf in North America? Do you know any good laundry detergent sites for those of us who obsess over this kind of thing? The Unilever site is lame and gives no info on corporate branding strategy.

*****Post# 27611-3/15/2003-19:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Here's the dirt on Lever Bros. Surf Liquid is now relabeled as All, but has Surf in smaller case letters at the bottom of the label. Surf powder and tablets, however are labeled as Surf but are noted on the label as having All stainlifters. I don't understand the point of this either - maybe Lever is trying to capitalize on the popularity of the All name although I cannot imagine why - it's an OK product at best but it is sold at an attractive price point. Sad that it is not even a shadow of it's old self - concentrated, low sudsing and with Bleach, Borax and Brighteners. Funny thing about Surf - in Canada it is Lever's bargain brand and sold in big boxes for a very low price- kind of like what Rinso was near the end of its poor neglected, but historic life!

Your HE detergent choices are not that dismal. In addition to the revolting smelling Tide powder and liquid and the Wisk HE, you have Surf and Purex tablets, all of the Fab powders, Fresh Start powder and NOW, Gain and Cheer HE liquids. Have you tried going to local estate sales to find some vintage Dash, Ad or All? (LOL)

Note: my references to vintage detergents in the last sentence should prevent my chastisement for not going straight to the sandbox with this, as well as not passing go and collecting $200...........

*****Post# 27612-3/15/2003-21:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Angus, I don't think your informative reply would have sent you to the sandbox. Modern detergents are used in vintage machines too. I beleive Uni uses an 'he" product in his WP combo and the Bendix combo. Steve 1-18 uses Purex liquid (1/2 dose) in his vintage Westinghoue front loaders without much "issue". But I do appreciate your sense of humour on this and thanks for making me chuckle at bit at your witicism.

WiskHE and Purex tabs are EXCELLENT cleaners. All/Surf is ok but too sudsy for my taste. Purex liquid is also great. Arm & Hammer is good also but makes me sneeze.

*****Post# 27614-3/15/2003-23:38 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I always hoped that someone would give my younger sister one of these when we were growing up. No such luck unfortunately.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3120655494&category=30

*****Post# 27615-3/15/2003-23:42 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Monitor Portable Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: One of my grandmothers had one of these! Boy does this bring back memories of seeing the wash go round and round when it was operating. :-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2312049818&category=20714

*****Post# 27616-3/15/2003-23:47 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: 1950's RCA Whirlpool Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: This looks like it would be a fun new "toy" for someone here at the club. (This is another one of those times when I hate living in a washer free apartment! :-()
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3213641098&category=13596

*****Post# 27617-3/16/2003-06:12 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Is this a club member ?
MESSAGE: rick3713 this is the name of the person who has bid on this washer in SC
I am looking at this one since I am in South Carolina and hate to bid against another club memmber

Thanks
Philippe

*****Post# 27618-3/16/2003-07:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I actually had one of those when I was a little boy. My father almost went through the roof when one of my aunts bought it for me one Christmas. It looked great sitting beside my toy Frigidaire washer I had gotten a couple of years before.

*****Post# 27619-3/16/2003-07:54 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Oh Man! I got one of these too for Christmas one year. I must've been around 4 or 5 years old (1967)? In retrospect, I can't believe my parents actually got it for me! The first thing I did when I got it was turned it upside-down to see what made it work. My wife still thinks I'm looney. Looking at the picture of the box on the eBay post, I see it says "Jet Action". I can honestly say from memory this little toy had nothing that resembles any xxxx-matic mechanism of the Frigidaire machines (lol). I do remember this little toy had a "waterfall" lint filter which was powered by a little plastic "bellows" in the mechanism. This thing was really thought out well. Probably more engineering went into this "toy" than goes into modern-day machines.

*****Post# 27620-3/16/2003-09:31 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I was fortunate enough to have parents that recognized I liked anything mechanical and disregarded the notion that Suzy Homemaker was just for girls. During the sixties they bought the Suzy Homemaker washer, oven, vacuum, mixer and iron for me. All were fun to play with and take apart. I still have the washer (which still works), although the lid unfortunately met its demise as a tray in the Suzy Homemaker oven (phew!) I sure had fun with it and loved the sounds of each function. I got tired of going through so many "D" batteries so one day I wired it to my erector set transfomer which worked out great (and suped it up a bit too!) Yet another day I decided I wanted a spray spin rinse so I cut the little plastice notch on the "Jet Wash" tab which linked it to the "Wash" tab. What fun. I'll bring it to the next Minneapolis wash-in if anyone wants to see it. The missing piece for me was always the dishwasher, I never saw one and want to know how it works, sounds, see it in action...

Jim

*****Post# 27621-3/16/2003-10:28 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: Hi All, Arrived home a couple of days ago, ending a very long and enjoyable winter trip. Missed most of the cold and snow in Ohio! But boys, wait until you see some of the stuff I hauled home.......I got some fantastic finds. Will post pics soon, and I sure missed you all! Jimmy

Does anyone know of a that repairs motors that are welded together? I've got 8 motors with bad start windings or bad centrifugal switches. The place where i live can't repair the motors because they are welded together, anyone know of a place that can repair and reweld them? Thanks!

~Steven

*****Post# 27623-3/16/2003-12:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Thank you, Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Congrats to Mr. Lightedcontrols on his new avocado 1967 Frigidaire Imperial dryer! It went for so long on eBay without any bidders, I was going to put a mercy bid on it at the last minute to save it from a nasty demise (actually, the collecting desease is quite chronic with me)! Instead, Mark got this gem for himself! YAY!!!

-ph

*****Post# 27624-3/16/2003-12:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: Welcome home, Jimmy! Knowing you, I bet you found some really great stuff!

-ph

*****Post# 27625-3/16/2003-13:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: I am sure we all cannot wait for the pics - in the meantime though..... any hints??????

*****Post# 27626-3/16/2003-13:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: Jimmy, glad you're home safe and sound. I know you enjoyed your cruise too. Can't wait to see the pix of everything. Take care, Bob.

*****Post# 27627-3/16/2003-13:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: My pleasure to amuse..... just want to make sure that we don't start taking ourselves too seriously. Life is much too short for that you know........

And we have a magnificent day here in lower New England. 67 degrees and beautifully sunny and lightly windy. A perfect clothes drying day. So I opened all the windows and broke Mom's cardinal rule and did every piece of laundry I had today. Broke out one of the 5 giant size boxes of vintage Rinso Blue I managed to squirrel away and went to town. To my delight, it still retained a bit of its fragrance and ALL of its sudsing ability. Everything came out bright, white and fresh and is now billowing in the breeze. Many thanks to those Rinso Blue "miracle molecules"....

*****Post# 27628-3/16/2003-13:32 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last (Welcome Back)
MESSAGE: Glad that you are home safe and sound Jimmy. We will all be waiting for your pictures. Take care. Terry

*****Post# 27629-3/16/2003-13:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: I'm glad to hear you had a great winter vacation and we all would like to see what goodies you brought home. Please send the photos link to us when you get a chance after you rest and unpack everything and Welcome home!

Larry

*****Post# 27630-3/16/2003-14:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: Glad you are back Jimmy - we've missed you too! Can't wait to see pics of your ebay GE wins and of course the "Wonder-Dials" ;-)

*****Post# 27631-3/16/2003-14:40 ||| lintfilter (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Hi, When I was a kid, we also got a Suzy Homemaker Washer,stove and a steam iron all in that nice bright green.

*****Post# 27633-3/16/2003-15:27 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: HELP!tell me how to increase water level on new front loader
MESSAGE: Thanks in advance guys-my new Frigidaire front loader needs a slight increase in its water level to increase rinsing ability-I used to know but forgot-please help.
Tom

*****Post# 27635-3/16/2003-16:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!tell me how to increase water level on new front loader (Frigemore water level adjustment.)
MESSAGE: I'll probably get arrested by the sandbox police but here's how I did mine...

Mine has the front controls so it was pretty easy. I don't know how to get the top off of the one with rear controls.

Take the top off. That's 4 screws in the back of the machine. The cover slides forward and up.

Look towards the front right side of the machine. You'll see a small white plastic thing with a small hose going to the drum. That's the pressure switch.

There's a screw on there that's covered with red loctite. stick a philips screwdriver and turn clockwise until the screw really begins to tighten, then loosen about 1/4 turn.

Start the machine and check the water. It should come almost up to the window.

It will take longer to fill but you'll get better washing and rinsing with the tweaked water level.

*****Post# 27636-3/16/2003-18:42 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: The Bird Cage
MESSAGE: I am watching the Movie "The Bird Cage" for the 40th. time this week on AMC (and enjoying an adult beverage!). Has anyone figured out what the aqua w/d are in the kitchen? I tried to study them this time, but I was laughing so hard that wine came out of my nose! (how classy!!)

*****Post# 27638-3/16/2003-18:51 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last (Back Home at Last)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
I am glad you are back. I hope you enjoyed your trip. Can't wait to see the pics!
Peter

*****Post# 27639-3/16/2003-20:22 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Back Home at Last
MESSAGE: welcome back Jimmy !! cannot wait to see pics..........

*****Post# 27640-3/16/2003-20:34 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Gold 1/18 set look great, sound awful...
MESSAGE: Well tonight I tried both the washer and dryer of the TOL harvest gold 1/18 set I found a week ago. They are in near mint condition and appearance wise look like they have hardly been used. I am estimating the dates to be '76-'77 based on the model #'s. Upon taking the front panel off on the W, I started it up and first it leaks at the bottom of the tub in the back where that (cup?) comes down. Just a loose hose clamp I am pretty sure. The inside of the cabinet looks new, hardly used, but looking a little closer, there is what appears to be black soot around the mechanism under the tub, rollers seem fine, but sounds awful when agitating, banging and knocking, then put it into spin and the bearings screech, so those will definately have to be replaced. The inside of the tub is faded and dull, no shine to the porcelain anymore, maybe hard water ?? It is amazing that the outer cabinet is near showroom condition. The control panels are MINT, not a scratch. Then I plugged in the dryer and it made a god-awful grinding, shaking noise and the drum doesn't even turn. Needless to say I have my work cut out for me on this set. But they sure are pretty. With the other three 1/18's I have I am going to fix the one that looks the best and break the other two down for parts. Now I am out of room (haha) Pics in a couple weeks...........

*****Post# 27641-3/16/2003-21:01 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: I dunno if people do notice that the new Surf/All combo's dont have any enzymes in the formula. I am testing for P&G new Tide LiquiTabs. They sent me a box and told me to rate what I thought. Kinda interesting to say the least. They look like the Electrosol Gelpacs. I personally am not a liquid fan but I figure what the hell why not. They are very convienent since I dont have to measure and so far they clean well. I am trying to convince P&G to bring Lemon Tide to the States since the powders are made in Canada..makes sense I thought.
Seems like powders here in New England keep getting smaller sections in the stores. I have to go to Shaws for one Wisk powder formula and to the Market Basket for Surf Tabs. What drives me nuts is the Walmart commercial that shows an aisle full of powders..but thats not how it is here in Maine. A whole lotta liquid ..not much powder.
Also the reason we see more HE products popping up here is because that here in Maine we are in a drought..believe it or not...and alot of people on well water ditched thier top loaders for a front loader to make thier wells last longer. Out of 2 million Mainers I read that maybe 500,000 have municipal water supplies from either a lake or river. Everyone else has a well. And to drill a new well is so not cheap and there is a backlog on orders for new wells to be drilled.
Mike

*****Post# 27642-3/16/2003-21:47 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found
MESSAGE: Hi All, thanks for the welcome home greetings. It sure is good to be back. I spent most of the day unpacking and making room in the workshop for some of my new finds. Here they are:
1955 GE Washer/Dryer Combo in sunny yellow (from ebay)
1955 GE built in roll out dishwasher in yellow (from ebay)
(I was lucky to be in Calif when these came up, in Fullerton, Calif)
1973(circa) Frigidaire Skinny-Mini coppertone Agitub washer (this came from the Phoenix washer graveyard) I did a load in it tonight and it works great.
*****A Special Find****: Frigidaire 1-18 control panel with the motorized timer advance, and pushbutton programmed selections (circa 1978) It has a light on it too!

But the best for last: A MINT 1956 Hotpoint Wonderdial washer AND matching condenser dryer. The pushbuttons on both light up different colors when they are pushed in, and there are also lighted control panels on each. The washer has a red agitator with grey rubber fins, and they are still in excellent shape. Im just in awe of them. I will do my best to get the pics of them tomorrow. I promise!

*****Post# 27643-3/16/2003-22:23 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: 1968Frigidaire W&D w/Cabinets:
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever seen the 1968 Custom Imperial Model Frigidaire Washer and Dryer with Built-In Cabinets on both Machines? I've never owned them, but I saw them shortly after they were available back in 1968, while on a Family Vacation Travel along the Northern Coast of Calif. The Controls are on a protruding overhang-like area above the 2-Door Cabinets. They also both have Under-Counter Type Fluorescent Lights, just above the Cabinet Doors, with separate Switch to turn the Lights on and off. The Dryer has a lever inside the Door opening on the upper-left side that you could swing to the right to somehow disengage the Belt for No-Tumble, but I don't remember if there was a Rack to put items on for the No-Tumble feature. They were listed at $348.88 for the Washer and $238.88 for the Dryer {probably electric}. The Washer and Dryer were still the more Standard Size Capacities with the original 2-Tone Blue Jet-Cone Pulsator. I have a June 1968 Life Magazine Ad about these Models, but I don't have any way to make copies to Scan through my Computer, I haven't gotten that "high-tech" yet, but I wouldn't mind making a Photo-Copy and send it to someone to put on the Postings, or maybe for the "POD" Photo Gallery.

I also thought that I might have been able to give some help with the recent purchased "1-18" set, but most all of my old Brochures don't have any date indications. I just happen to know by knowledge of ownership of some models of the year of Manufacturing, like my Parents 1966 WCDK Washer they had I wish I still had, as with many other Brands and Models I got rid of way before knowing about this Club.

*****Post# 27644-3/17/2003-05:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Hey, Mike. I did notice that the new Surf liquid is no longer an enzyme formula. I know that All never had enzymes, but I thought the Surf powders and tablets were still enzyme products. Tide liquitabs you say?? How did you get to become a tester for those? Do they smell better than the powders and liquids? I have been lobbying for the return for such exotica as original fragrances of Tide, Cheer and Gain and in controlled suds formulas - as opposed to HE vs. regular formulas. Still don't understand why they are willing to keep inventing "new" scents while ignoring the vintage fragrances that people loved for years...

Interesting comment about the powder detergent situation. I have noticed the same thing here in Connecticut. Both in the grocery stores and in WalMart or KMart the powder selection is shrinking rapidly. In fact there are three WalMarts within 35 miles of me and in every one, there are very few powders to begin with and to make it worse, the shelves are NEVER stocked. Last week they had all Gain powders in the 40 or 31 load size clearance priced at $3.00 each. Reason? Manager says powders just don't sell anymore and they ordered 2 cases but received 25 cases of powder..........

Interesting about the water situation in Maine. Sure not true here. We had a very wet fall and incredibly wet winter so our reservoirs are at capacity or over.
Although there are very few wells left here....

*****Post# 27645-3/17/2003-05:42 ||| drmitch (Bradford, Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint Clock
MESSAGE: Has any body seen this great clock? Looks good to me.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3213899500&category=13596

*****Post# 27646-3/17/2003-05:53 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found (Welcome home FilterFlo)
MESSAGE: Nice to see your name back in here. Welcome home & can not wait to see pic's. Esp the 55 GE built in roll out dishwasher.

Michael

*****Post# 27647-3/17/2003-06:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found (Welcome back Jimmy!)
MESSAGE: Glad that you are back home safe and sound!
You found some wonderful machines!
I am happy that you had such a great time!
Looking forward to seeing your pictures!
Brent

*****Post# 27648-3/17/2003-06:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: I have seen Winn-Dixie stores selling "Classic Arrow" detergent. It's boxed in the traditional upright box and you measure it the old fashioned way. 1 cup per load or less if you have a small machine or front loader. Not very cost effective but I bet fun. From what Todd Cox tells me it's a suds monster.

*****Post# 27649-3/17/2003-06:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Anthony, glad your day was so productive. Hmm, I've almost forgotten what Rinso Blue smelled like. Had a beautiful day here in Temple. Upper 70s, clear. I managed to mow the yard and go to the store. But mostly stayed in bed. I couldn't motivate myself to do my huge loads of towels that need to be done. Only talked myself into washing my slacks in preparation for the work week and that was at 10:30 pm. Monday night will HAVE to be a different story. I have no more clean towels. Wish I had a fun washer to watch rather than the Shredmore.

*****Post# 27650-3/17/2003-06:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dates help (thnx)
MESSAGE: Yup. Had a neighbor that moved from Boston to Houston in 1962. They had a 1957 Control Tower Frigidaire. It lasted until 1965 at the latest, then was replaced by a Kenmore 600. Boy, what a "come-down". I still to this day wonder why they didn't replace it with another Frigidaire.

*****Post# 27651-3/17/2003-06:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Hey Mikey)
MESSAGE: Mikey, just like I've offered with Anthony, I'd be willing to powdered detergent care packages to ya if you can't always get to Canada. Just lemme know. I've been using Purex liquid recently. Tonight will be doing towels, will see how it rinses with the Shredmore, the one-spray-rinse-wonder-after- the-rinse machine.

*****Post# 27652-3/17/2003-06:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found
MESSAGE: Jimmy, all sounds terrific!!!, especial the HOtpoints. BUT, HOT DAMN!!!, you found the control panel (the "special find") to the Holy Grail of washers, that Frigidaire panel!!!

*****Post# 27653-3/17/2003-07:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Hi Mike! What luck to get to test a new detergent! I always liked Tide but quit using it when I found out that P&G tests it on dogs (beagles) eyes to see how long it takes them to go blind. They also mix it in their food to see what gastric problems result. The last time I contacted P&G on this,(last year in November) I was advised that they no longer test animals in house but instead farm out their torture to outside labs. Since other detergent manufacturers don't (like Lever Bros & Purex to name just a few,) I no longer use P&G products and reccommend that no one else does either. In this day and age, it's just not necessary. Too bad too since I used to LOVE Cascade and other lines by P&G but now that I'm a little wiser, you couldn't GIVE me their stuff. Sticking MY head in the sand is NOT an option. Mark

*****Post# 27654-3/17/2003-07:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (drought)
MESSAGE: Well Mikey, that explains your earlier post about looking at either an F&P or a Frigidaire FLer. I thought, "Huh? Why?" I knew you had toyed with the idea, at one time, of getting another Frigidaire Front loader.

*****Post# 27655-3/17/2003-08:01 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: 1968Frigidaire W&D w/Cabinets:
MESSAGE: We had this dryer in a lovely avocado green. There was a lever in the upper left hand corner that when flipped, would release the belt from the drum and thus stop tumbling. It also had a rack that tennis shoes, sweaters, etc could be placed upon to dry inside the machine. To dry these items though, Frigidaire suggested that you wrap a damp washrag or towel around the sensor so the machine would not stop prematurely! This model was completely electronic. Had a cone type setup in the back of the drum that stuck out into the center section of the drum that clothes would tumble against for the sensor part. Behind the left "cabinet" door was a place that water could be poured in so that clothes could be sprinkled automatically and be just right for ironing. This was the second dryer that we owned. You can imagine what a joy this one was after trying to get clothes to dry in a timeline Norge! ..... and I LOVED the lightedcontrols! We already had a Jet-Action Frigidaire that wasn't that old, so buying a new washer to match this dryer was completely out of the question. :~( Mark

*****Post# 27656-3/17/2003-08:36 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found
MESSAGE: can't wait to see pics, what awesome finds...... I bet the Hotpoint is like the POD today? congrads....

This same reasoning keeps me away from GE products. I remember a long time ago that someone did a documentary that showed GE being on the cutting edge of nuclear bomb parts manufacturing. She even won an Oscar for the film. Her conviction has stayed with me.

I'm not completely GE or P&G free (Gilette also), but I do think twice before buying their products.

-ph

*****Post# 27658-3/17/2003-10:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint Clock
MESSAGE: Nice to see you Dr. Mitch! That is a very nice clock indeed! One of our clubmembers has a bid on it.

*****Post# 27659-3/17/2003-12:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: Mark - I am incredibly disappointed to hear this about P&G. And I agree that in this day and age, there is no real reason to do this. You mentioned that Lever and Purex do not test with animals. Would you happen to know if Colgate Palmolive does or not? That would certainly alter my practice of using the Fab powders if they do indeed test on animals.....

*****Post# 27660-3/17/2003-13:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation???
MESSAGE: The best way to find out if the products that you use are tested on animals is to call the toll free number on the back of the product and ask. Don't just ask the question but have them send their reply to you ON PAPER. If you NEVER get the paper stating that they are animal testing free then they aren't! I haven't done my checking this year like I should have so I'm not sure about Colgate. They did for a while and then they didn't. Who knows what this year will bring. Mark

*****Post# 27661-3/17/2003-15:02 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast
MESSAGE: Hi, Got some of the pix loaded. Hope they come out OK, Im new to posting pics and links. You would think since I can take a car or washer apart down to the last screw and nut that I would at least be able to figure out how to post pics! Oh well, if the link does not work, here is it anyway:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/filterflo
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/filterflo

*****Post# 27662-3/17/2003-15:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Great Finds)
MESSAGE: Wow Jimmy
Real Great finds - to bad their wasn't a body to the Frig control panel. I love the Hotpoints also
Thanks for posting
I hope you had a Great trip
Peter

*****Post# 27663-3/17/2003-15:31 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Great Finds)
MESSAGE: Hey Peter, Thanks for the welcome home. I found that Frigidaire control panel at the appliance junkyard in Phoenix. It was a complete machine, in Harvest Gold, and had just come in the yard while on my return trip back to Phoenix from Calif. I absolutely and positively wanted to get the whole machine, but there was not one bit of extra space in my van for another machine. So Marty sold me the machine, and I took the contol panel off along with the compete wiring harness down to the motor, so it could be added to any existing Frigidaire bottom. The pump was bad on the machine and had leaked and ruined several parts, so Im fairly sure the control panel is still good. I was very lucky to have found it BEFORE the hot Arizona sun got to the plastic and ruined it. Im in awe of the detail and the options that it has!

*****Post# 27664-3/17/2003-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (there is hope!)
MESSAGE: Wonderful finds, Jimmy! The Hotpoints are wonderful! Maybe we can find a Sunny Yellow GE combo door with a window.

Key words: "had just come in the yard"... Hopefully there are still alot of these TOL 79's out there and they are just now showing up! This washer automatically shifts to low speed agitation when the water level control is set to "small" or lower. Perfect!

Looks like you had a great trip, love the Hotpoints, real classics / vintage , hadnt seen this one at all until todays pick of the day, and now here they are for real!!!!

I thought the back plate was a cover for the controls when not in use but I see from your pics its the styling, is that the light???

Looking forward to seeing the Frigidaire in action with a new body on the control panel, do you have to keep your finger on the start button until the wash pointer gets to where it needs to be?? or is it all automatically set from the push buttons....

Cheers, Mike

*****Post# 27666-3/17/2003-16:31 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Testing)
MESSAGE: Angus what i did was I went the P&G site and there is a link to become an advisor for products. I signed up there and they send me surveys and such about certain product improvements coming down and what I would like to see happen in a brand. I have been doing it now for a few months and last week the pak of LiquiTabs came. I cant say much about them. But I can say that they smell the same.
Now as far as animal testing ...getting on my high horse...I dont stop using a certain brand or company since they either did the testing or they farm it out or dont do it at all. Look at the testing GM did to pigs to find out how much trauma a pig can take before its killed. People still buy cars from them and ..Gasp... Frigidaire GM vintage appliances. And not only that ..think about how your meat gets to the table...they take a cow and a nail gun and pop the animal in the head between the eyes ..saw that in the Omaha World Herald..on the front page while I was eating a steak that I grilled. Yummy. And I dont think I need to go into what happens next..but think of the shoes and the belt that ya wear. If they are made of genuine leather and not faux leather aka vinyl. So thats my 2 cents.
Mike

*****Post# 27667-3/17/2003-17:33 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE?
MESSAGE: At the retirement home where my wife and I entertain the residents, the kitchen has an O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher that bears a family resemblance to the Hotpoint "builder's special" we recently yanked out to make room for one o' them new-fangled 3-rack Maytags (I'm such a sucker for this kind of stuff :) ).

The vent opening, timer knob and the heated drying rocker switch are in the same place, and the machine has the same left-to-right swinging latch lever. It's also trimmed with wood-grain vinyl (ah, those were the days).

Was O'Keefe & Merritt owned by GE, or was GE simply their dishwasher OEM since O&M's specialty was stoves?

*****Post# 27668-3/17/2003-18:15 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast
MESSAGE: Wow, this is a great set of appliances!
Does the rubber tip on the Hotpoint agitator flexes?
And that skinny minny sure knows how to generate a lot of suds during the wash....

Great find Jimmy!

*****Post# 27669-3/17/2003-18:27 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast
MESSAGE: Both the Hotpoint washer and dryer have top console lights. I will have to take some pics with the lights on, they are truly stunning, espcially with the different colored pushbuttons lighted up.
Im not quite sure the operation of the Frigidaire control panel. I THINK you push the program button of the minutes to wash and the type of fabric, then press the START button, and it advances automagically to the correct time and cycle. Perhaps Peter from Atlanta could tell us more about it, Im not really very familiar with it.
I flipped when I found this in the yard! But I dont currently have any 1-18's, so I really got this just to save it from being crushed, and will probably sell it or trade it to someone.......

*****Post# 27672-3/17/2003-19:39 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Thanks Jimmy!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
You have lot's of toys to play with for the summer!
I love the GE pair. That combo and dishwasher are wonderful. I hope that you get to play with them soon.
Did I miss a post where you told the story of your wonderful Hotpoint pair? Where did you find them? I love your stories behind them. You always seem to be so lucky to get them from the original owner! That pair looked like you unpluged them, and had to undo the hoses. Is that the case? Do tell...
Thanks for the pictures! I hope that you are getting a little rest now.
Brent

*****Post# 27673-3/17/2003-19:54 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Thanks Jimmy!)
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken but you have a WEG control panel..the Holy Grail of 1-18's. I had to do a double take when I saw the panel. Wow I wish the whole machine was there as well as the matching dryer. Very nice find there!
Mike

*****Post# 27674-3/17/2003-19:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast
MESSAGE: Absolutely wonderful Jimmy!! You had such a great trip - vacation and appliances too, couldn't have been better really!

The GE's and the Hotpoints are truly stunning, what a find! Did you take the motor from the 1-18 washer too? Once you transplant that onto another machine, you'll have the Holy Grail of 1-18's, congrats again on all the finds!

Gives us all hope for the coming summer hunting season...thanks for the pics Jimmy!

Greg

*****Post# 27675-3/17/2003-20:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Thanks Jimmy! Hey, on that subject....)
MESSAGE: Was wondering, did the dryer have the same type of set up controls as far as the advance timer get up?
Man, just imagine a 1-18 and matching dryer with computer face. I bet that the orginal GM engineers were waiting for that day, and then bang, they pulled the plug!
Brent

*****Post# 27676-3/17/2003-20:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Jimmy!!!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I loved all the wonderful finds. I'm overwhelmed. Would you mind either posting here or emailing me what the buttons say on the GE Combo, the Frigidaire Control Panel,and the Hotpoint Dryer? The ad I've seen on the WonderDial gives me enough of an angle that I can figure out what the controls all say. Is the dryer Timed Only?? Or does it have an auto dry cycle too? The dials on the Combo resemble the knob on my GE washer that replaced our 1948 Bendix. Thanks!!!!

*****Post# 27678-3/17/2003-20:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE?
MESSAGE: Joe, Tappan and O&M were "sister companies at one time. I mean, our 1961 house came with O&M appliances, complete with an O&M labeled dishwasher that was exactly like the Tappan dishwasher with the rotating cylinder that was a discussion here late Saturday or yesterday. I believe Tappan & O&M briefly sourced GE dishwashers, probably as transitioned from sourcing from a D&M design to the WCI design dishawsher that more closely resembled the older Westinghouse dishwashers. I built a house in 1984 that came with Tappan appliances. you can imagine my grimmacing as I anticipated another abysmal D&M dishwasher. I was elated that this next to TOL Tappan was actually a GE when I opened the door!!! GE dishwashers of this era were slightly different than their hotpoint counterpoints because in 1984, when my current house as built, it came with a Hotpoint porcelain tub "Potwasher". It couldn't hold a candle to the cleaning of my GE-sourced Tappan. Hotpoints at the time used a smaller pump motor and had less cleaning ability. My demonstrating to my mom that using the Tappan with the water heat option, and the current GE 1200, AND NOT PRE-RINSING, I had incredibly clean dishware and a chicken enchilada dish. So impressed her, she bought a GE a few years later to replace her 1974 Kenmore roto rack in 1989. When the handy man installed my GE Potscrubber 1200 & yanked out my Hotpoint Potwasher, he immediately noticed the difference in the pumps. And aft4er hearing the difference in the two machines, he finally decided I actually did know my s**t about appliances!!!

*****Post# 27679-3/17/2003-20:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE?
MESSAGE: So Bob, *both* of the Waste King d/ws were before 1974? The second one apparently did not last very long?

*****Post# 27680-3/17/2003-20:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Pink is in....
MESSAGE: A nice set to wear during the spring of the year!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2313280111&category=20714

*****Post# 27682-3/17/2003-21:57 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (.....and now my two cents)
MESSAGE: While I did not fight my way up the food chain to eat vegetables, testing detergents on animals is not only unnecessary in this day and age, (HELLO!) IT'S JUST STUPID.

*****Post# 27683-3/17/2003-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags)
MESSAGE: A must have for any well dressed collection!

Everyone loves pink - even appnut ;-)

*****Post# 27684-3/17/2003-23:06 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: 3/17/2003 POD
MESSAGE: OMG! I had totally forgotten that Hotpoint sponsored the Ozzie and Harriet Show and featured them in their advertising! Did someone say Happy Hotpoint (who was played by Mary Tyler Moore)?

I have a question about the Hotpoint in the POD. I noticed that it had a side opening lid. I'm guessing from the way the controls are positioned that this model is from the mid-1950's. I didn't realize that side opening lids were introduced that early. Does anyone know when side opening lids were first introduced and/or who first introduced them?

Thanks!

Mike

*****Post# 27685-3/17/2003-23:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Vintage KA? Topload portable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Here is a nice machine for your topload d/w fans! It says its a KA and maybe it is; the washarm doesn't look right (only has 2 arms instead of 4; did they ever offer such a washarm?) Anyway, looks like a great machine!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=2312395362&rd=1

*****Post# 27686-3/17/2003-23:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast (Tears of joy!)
MESSAGE: I need a Kleenex!
Looking at yesterdays POD and your link to your new collection just brings tears to my eyes that we can take a step back into time and grab up those nice machines and bring them home and place them into the relms of today!

Wow it's like a dream come true!

*Sniff*
*sniff*

*****Post# 27687-3/17/2003-23:56 ||| boschboy (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Procter & Gamble)
MESSAGE: According to P&G's website, they no longer use animal testing on any of their home, beauty, or personal care products (except with drugs, where they are required by federal law to test on animals). They claim that they don't label their products "not tested on animals" because they feel it would be misleading, since many of their current formulations were made based off of existing animal test data from previous research (although they do make it clear that they do NOT continue to test on animals). Plus, they claim to have a corporate goal of one day having the scientific technology that would eliminate the need for animal testing of any kind. I want to believe them, because 1) I've got to have a little faith, and 2) the smell of Downy still reminds me of when I was a kid and my mom did the laundry. I'm just not ready to give that up.

On another note, does anyone have any experience with any of the "cruelty-free" detergents? I've tried Ecover, Seventh Generation, Trader Joe's Next to Godliness, and Country Save. They're all great for low sudsing in a front loader, but I don't think they clean as well as Tide or Purex Tabs (which for the price work really well).

*****Post# 27688-3/18/2003-00:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmys New Finds from the West Coast
MESSAGE: Wow, Jimmy! What a haul! You must have got those Hotpoints after I saw you...they are so cool! I just realized that I have a picture of your visit out here and so I'm going to post it. This was taken when Jimmy and his car club buds came over to have dinner with Gary and myself. We had a blast looking at old magazines and talking washers and playing with some vintage vacuums and my little Monitor wringer washer. Thanks for stopping by on your cross country adventure and congratulations on your new appliances.
Rich
PS. Keep looking for me...I'm fixing up that 1950 Singer vac for you.

*****Post# 27689-3/18/2003-00:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA? Topload portable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Hard to get a good look from those pics, but it does look like KA, especially the upper rack. Scott, as you recall, vintage KA did use a two-way arm -- remember the very heavy cast-iron spray arm?

*****Post# 27690-3/18/2003-01:37 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Please take the poll!)
MESSAGE: I also prefer powder (and tablets, for that matter) to liquid detergents. I've been watching the number of different liquids rise while the others disappear.

Yesterday, I just went to www.tide.com and answered their silly poll about winter blues. After you do that, they ask if you would like to answer a few more questions. It's all about what kinds and brands of detergents and fabric softners you've used in the last few months, so I answered the questions.

The way I see it, if we don't speak up, they'll only listen to the "focus groups" and it appears to me, at the very least, that the focus groups have been trying more to please the facilitators than telling them the truth.

I see more people buying powders than liquids around here. Still, I realize I'm not at the stores all the time, and also that many people just see more liquids and switch etc. Anyway, I think if we all spend a little time to answer a few questions on the web, which is not nearly as hard/disrupting as normal polls, we can be happier too. Please give that one a try too.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

*****Post# 27691-3/18/2003-05:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Testing)
MESSAGE: Hey, Mike. I actually have gone to the P&G website and registered to become an advisor. but I only did that a few weeks ago so it will probably be a while before I see any surveys etc....

*****Post# 27693-3/18/2003-05:44 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks Rich (GoLittleSport) re: west coast trip
MESSAGE: A special thanks to you Rich and to Gary too, for hosting us and for serving a wonderful dinner during my trip out west. Rich has a great collection of vacuums and ALSO a great MONITOR washer with the instruction sheet!! A great evening at his house also included watching a 50's I Love Lucy episode.
Which one you ask? Why the one where the Mertz's buy the Ricardo's old washing machine, of course!

*****Post# 27694-3/18/2003-06:43 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Welcome Home Jimmy!!
MESSAGE: Welcome Home Jimmy - It looks like you hit the jackpot while on vacation. And what a wonderful time you must of had too. Finding those treasures you got made must have made it your vacation even better what luck!! Enjoy those treasures as I am sure you will have them all up and running in no time. Again, I want say welcome home Jimmy!! Glad to see you made it back safely too. You missed all the snow this winter, HA HA.

*****Post# 27695-3/18/2003-07:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE?
MESSAGE: Scott, the first Waste King was abought in 1959, the second one was installed the day Martin luther King was assisnated. The reason I remember is because of the crisis, there was no school the next day and I got to stay up as late as I wanted to running the dishwasher after my Dad installed it. The 2nd one had two problems: (1) after a while, unknown to us, the plastic water "thing" (located on the outside of the machine) began to have a small leak which leaked into the dining room adjacent to it and caused major carpet damage eventually. and (2) the timer was behind a plastic cover, at one time there as an issue with the timer and it got out of sinc--used to do heat delay and shut off from draining after rinse & hold after about 45 seconds, before the next timer increment. Well, after it got out of sinc, it ceased draining after R&H unless someone pushed the start button and held it until the water was pumped out. My mom didn't do it and so it sat with a tub of water in it and the gasket eventually rotted, causing leaks on the motor.

Down here in the south we still have mostly "washin' powder" but the liquids are GAINing. I own two bottles of Liquid at the moment.. All/Surf and WiskHE, and I also have Purex Tabs. It seems that liquid will just dissolve faster.. well, it really doesn't have to dissolve, it just mixes in. The All/Surf makes a little too much suds in the FL, even a very low dose. WiskHE makes little to no suds but requires LARGE doses to make it work. Purex Tabs is about perfect.

*****Post# 27698-3/18/2003-07:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags)
MESSAGE: pink is my LEAST favorite color. If I came across a pink WCI57, I'd trade it with Unimatic so that it would match his 57 filtrator dryer. I don't think i could deal with any pink appliances in my posssession. I even refused to buy a salmon colored oxford shirt when they were popular in the 1980s. Now turqoise, sunny yellow, sea foam green, or coppertone, that's a different issue.

*****Post# 27699-3/18/2003-07:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags)
MESSAGE: I mean, anyone that really knows me from the club, can you see me with pink???

I am a liquid detergent convert. Dissolvability and convenience are two big selling points. Recently, some brands' liquids have equalled or even surpassed the cleaning scores of their powdered version. Since you (like I) use a high water action front-loader, dissolvability probably isn't a major factor.

When liquids were introduced---I recall my mom trying Wisk back when it came in a can in the early '60s---they weren't great cleaners.

You mentioned you get little or no suds with WiskHE. Do you have mechanically softened water? I do. I get a lot of suds using WiskHE. I use TideHE for most loads and WiskHE for lightly soiled loads. WiskHE is the less expensive of the two brands.

*****Post# 27703-3/18/2003-08:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA? Topload portable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Now that you and Glenn have mentioned it again, it's ringing a bell. I've just not been around KAs of that vintage all that much, except for a quick peek here and there. This sure is a nice one!

*****Post# 27706-3/18/2003-09:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's Wrong With Liquid Detergents?
MESSAGE: I do believe there is some concern with the alcohol level in liquids causing premature damage to rubber components of vintage machines. I believe it was also mentioned that powders can contain better water softening ingredients that boost cleaning ability.

-ph

*****Post# 27707-3/18/2003-10:20 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question)
MESSAGE: The advantage of powder detergent is that it is less expensive and tends to work better on grease. However, it also leaves behind a coating on the machine parts that continues to build up with use and turns into a rock like substance. Liquid does not. Also powdered detergent will eventually build up in drain fields and clog them.

I use powdered detergent in the shop machines and liquid for the machines inside. I also take apart the machines in the shop and remove this buildup every 6 months.

*****Post# 27708-3/18/2003-12:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's Wrong With Liquid Detergents?
MESSAGE: I don't have excessively hard or soft water. It's about between the two extremes. Detergents will easy make suds here so I might already be a little on the soft side. Well, I'm a softie anyway but the water is ok.

WiskHE at the #2 line makes a few suds but not much. I think WiskHE has more suds inhibitors than the other detergents. The Surf/All is bearable and I guess if I used an even lower dose it would be right, but then I'd be worried about cleaning ability.

So far, my favorite cleaners are Purex Tabs. They're just the bomb. They clean and brighten. The others are Purex liquid, Arm & Hammer powder, and WiskHE. I do like the scent of Tide Mountain Spring in a sick kind of way but after using a FL to wash clothes, I can't stand the smell of detergent stuck on clothes.

Downy April Fresh is a nice classic scent and triggers childhood memories.

*****Post# 27711-3/18/2003-13:22 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question)
MESSAGE: Greetings Jason! We Southern girls like the liquid detergent much better as we line dry most of our clothes. Powder leaves a white residue that looks kind of like lint, but is the fillers and carying agents in the detergents, especially on dark colors. Of course we all have clothes dryers but mostly use them to get our towels extra puffy and fluffy! Actually, lots of Southerners even line dry their twoels to a damp dry stage and finish them in the dryer. (Of course if you're in one of those neighborhoods that is fancy-schmancy, then they don't allow clothes lines.) I always liked powders because they really give creamy suds in your top loader. Mark

One of my Neighbors in the 50s bought a new GE Washer with the Metal Lint Filter Pan that had a Blue Cabinet and the Company she bought it from had taken the Top off of it to replace for another Customer, so she got it on a discount because the Top of her Washer she purchased was Pink, but she didn't care, because her Washer and Dryer sat in the Garage and it certainly didn't make the Washer operate any different. She actually had that Washer last quite a long time, until she replaced it with another GE "MOL" in I think the early 70s and after that Washer went out on her, I talked her into buying a Maytag, so she bought the Model #A-112. Her first Dryer was a "MOL" GE and she had to have it converted to 110-V, because she didn't have 220-V in the Garage or the house for a Dryer or Stove. Her 2nd Dryer was a Maytag Model #DE-712.

*****Post# 27713-3/18/2003-13:32 ||| boschboy (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question)
MESSAGE: I like liquid and powder detergents for different reasons, and I usually keep some of each on hand. Liquid seems to work better on greasy stains (and it's easier to use as a pre-treater than powder), and powders work better on muddy soils. My front loader rinses many times, but I've heard that liquids are more likely to leave suds behind than powders are. In older machines (vintage!), you can tell if someone has used a lot of powder because the build-up is really obvious. Plus, over time the build-up can leave greasy-looking spots on clothes. I guess it all comes down to personal preference, and which type works best in the machine you're using. For example, some detergent dispensers don't contain liquid detergent very well, but they hold the powders in place until they're ready to be flushed along. I hope that makes sense.

*****Post# 27714-3/18/2003-13:57 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags, Point Made:o))
MESSAGE: What a shame Steve, she went backward instead of forward with the dryer situation!

*****Post# 27717-3/18/2003-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question)
MESSAGE: Strange, I've used powders almost exclusively my whole life and have rarely had any residue on clothes nor have I noticed any build-up on any washers I've taken apart unless it was exceptionally hard water, real soap use, etc. Isn't that usually indicative of using too much and/or poor rinsing? I would think a lot depends on water quality, temperature, etc. We could do some performance testing, we've talked about this before and have never done it. I would have to go buy liquid detergent though, don't keep that in stock...

I don't know about anyone else, but for someone with allergies (me) there is no liquid detergent out there that I can use (I've tried them all) except for the "green" liquids, i.e. Seventh Generation, Ecover, etc. and I have not had good cleaning results with them. In my case, Tide or Arm & Hammer powders are the only detergents I can tolerate and still get good cleaning results.

Rich

*****Post# 27719-3/18/2003-18:42 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found (undercounter models in the mid 50's? Demise of Frigidaire Flair)
MESSAGE: Wow,

Great finds! I'm surprised that the GE Combo dates from the mid-50's; I thought that they started making the undercounter models in the late 50's early 60's. They were pretty advanced! Those Hotpoints are neat too. Anyone know how well they washed?

I know color and/or styling can mislead at times. I really thought that our Frigidaire Custom Imperial 40" range was an early 60's model because of the styling, sedate white color and thick burner coils. I found the manual and was surprised to learn it is a 1969! The Flair model looks so much later and more advanced than our stove(even though I think ours is TOL) When did Frigidaire stop producing Flairs? When did manufacturers stop producing 40" ranges? Anyone know?

*****Post# 27722-3/18/2003-19:33 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question Interesting Greg! What about your water softner?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I would think that you would have every type in stock. Liquids and powder!
What types of powders do you use?
What is your thoughts on Liquids?
Do you use less liquids since you installed your water softner? I never did see any post about the results after you installed it.
Do tell.
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 27723-3/18/2003-19:42 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs!
MESSAGE: Hello all!
After all of the talk about how wonderful the Purex Tabs are, I bought a box of them, and was so shocked at how cheap they were! I paid $2.95 for a very cute 24 uses box. That doubles since I am using them in a front loader. I am going to go tomorrow and stock up on more. Kroger here is selling that same box for $7.95 here in Atlanta.
I really was impressed with how Jason explained how well they cleaned. He was right! Very nice results!
Thanks for the info!
I also use liquids for certain items, and powder for others. I usually get the huge dispenser type Tide, and Gain from Sam's club. They not only work well in my front loader, but also the dispenser is so cool. I really don't like the Tide HE liquid. I like the smell, but that is about it.
Thanks for sharing your results!
Brent

*****Post# 27724-3/18/2003-19:47 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags, Point Made:o) Colors sound cool!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
I actually think that those colors together would look kinda cool.
It would really be cool if the washer and the dryer were a match!
You could tell your friends that you paid extra for that. That always makes a impression, of some kind or another!
Brent

*****Post# 27725-3/18/2003-19:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What's Wrong With Liquid Detergents? (What?)
MESSAGE: Rich,
What do you think is in the Liquids that you have problems with?
That is so wild!
Has it always been that way for you?
Brent

*****Post# 27726-3/18/2003-20:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question Interesting Greg! What about your water softner?)
MESSAGE: I do have some samples of Cold Power liquid around, but I think I got rid of the Sears HE liquid I bought the for the Calypso - that was nasty stuff, but I don't like liquids anyway. Way to sudsy and too hard to rinse, but may give them another try now that I have soft water.

On the subject of soft water, I love it!! I highly recommend it to anyone in a hard water area. Aside from the other benefits (showering is like having silk pouring over you) the washing is outstanding. I use roughly 1/2 of the amount I used to use and rarely feel the need to add STPP to the water now.

In powdered detergent I have Tide Quick Dissolving, Purex Fresh Rain, Ajax, Purex and Wisk tablets, two flavors of Sears HE (Free formula and w/bleach) Arm & Hammer, All and some "FooFoo" detergent that smells like a field of lilac from Williams Sonoma I got for Christmas. In addition to these, there are four kinds of powdered bleaches, some LaFrance bluing, a bottle of Clorox, ammonia, vinegar and five flavors of softeners. Now when you add to this all of the vintage detergents and additives I've accumulated, I probably have something close to a hazardous chemical dump in my basement! It's fun to come and wash here though - takes 1/2 and hour to choose your "poison" before even choosing a machine!

I found a curious new product at Wal-Mart the other day (you can tell I never skip the laundry aisle) called RLR Laundry Treatment made by Cadie. It's NOT a bleach, bluing or detergent and not a soap. It comes in a little plastic bubble like you see in the gumball machines with toys inside. The package says to use once a month to brighten whites and remove dingy buildup. I've not tried it yet (no reason to as there is certainly no dingy buildup in my wash - my son has the whitest uniform and socks at Karate class!!) but I'll let you know what I think. It's probably just baking soda in a cute plastic bubble! It was $1.79 for 2.7 oz, which would make it the most expensive baking soda in the world...

*****Post# 27727-3/18/2003-21:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs!
MESSAGE: Purex tabs rock! They're great in a front loader but not very cost effective in a large top loader. You gotta use 2. I guess if you had a top loader, you could use any detergent you want. I kinda miss that freedom.

*****Post# 27728-3/18/2003-21:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's Wrong With Liquid Detergents? (Re: What's wrong with Liquid Detergent's: )
MESSAGE: Hi! Dear Club Member Friends, this is ceratinly an interesting situation and confusion between Powder and Liquid Detergents. I guess whatever works best. I've used both Tide-HE and
Wisk-HE in my 1997 Maytag Neptune Washer and they seem to both work pretty good. The Wisk-HE seems a little better on taking care of more Stains than the Tide-He and as a few have mentioned the Tide-HE costs more than the Wisk-HE. I have a harder time finding either at close-by Stores and find them mostly at places like Wal-Mart and Target and a lot of times the Wisk-HE is 2/$10.00 where the Tide-HE is usually $7.95 each at most places. The other place I can find either is at
K-Marts, but a little more cost than the other places.

I really satisified with the Wisk-HE and also suggested it to some long-time Family Friends who just moved back her from
San Antonio, TX a few years ago and they bought the Stackable Kenmore Front-Load Washer and Matching Dryer {not stacked though}. She told me after several Loads of Laundry that their Towels and everything looked so much better than it did being Washed in their "MOL" Whirlpool Washer w/Matched Electric Dryer in San Antonio, TX. They even had a Water Softener installed and it seemed to not really work like it should have. She had a couple of Front-Load Console 1950s and 1960s Westinghouse Washer and Dryer Sets, including Slanted-Front Sets when we were all growing up. I went to School with her Son and she worked for my Mother in Marketing Research. She thought that Front-Load Washers were no longer available, until they moved back and she was in contact with me to let her know.

Bob "appnut" told me that there are a couple more "HE" Detergents out finally, but I forget what the Brands are. It will be interesting to see how much they some available at and how they compare or differ from the Wisk-HE and Tide-HE.

*****Post# 27729-3/18/2003-21:45 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Total "Gain" experience
MESSAGE: The local grocery here offers a total Gain program. New HE formula as well as standard versions in powder or liquid, liquid softener and/or dryer sheets. It's a sensory overload at bargain prices. Also, have seen new Cheer HE along with the Tide HE offerings. Wisk HE works very well, but many don't care for the scent, but it seems quite compatible with other scented softeners. Like others have noted, seems the detergent aisle is about 75% liquid to 25% powder. It's interesting to see WalMart expanding their private brand detergents..........recently read an article where this may be to the detriment of P&G. Wal-mart is their #1 customer. It's said Walmart sells the P&G product so quickly, oftentimes they've yet to pay P&G for when it's in end users grocery cart.

*****Post# 27730-3/18/2003-21:50 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found (undercounter models in the mid 50's? Demise of Frigidaire Flair)
MESSAGE: I don't know about the Flair Stoves as to when they quit making them, but I do know that they still make 40-inch Stoves, because my Brother and Sister-In-Law just bought a new Frigidaire 40-inch Stove a couple of years ago, unless they have stopped making them since then. Theirs only has 1-Oven and 3 Storage Drawers and it has a Manual Clean Oven. They didn't a Self-Clean Oven, since they are conservative in a lot of ways. The new Stove took place of a 26 {+-} year old
GE 40-inch Stove that came with their house when they bought it that had 2-Ovens. The GE had the 4-Burners together on the Left-Side, with the Work Surface on the Right-Side, where the Frigidaire has 2-Burners on the Left-Side and 2-Burners on the Right-Side with the Work Surface in the Middle.

*****Post# 27731-3/18/2003-22:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's Wrong With Liquid Detergents? (Re: What's wrong with Liquid Detergent's: )
MESSAGE: Hi! Again, Club Member Friends, by the way I forgot to mention that I use Snuggle Liquid Fabric Softener and the Wisk-HE and Snuggle at least to me smells pretty good. I also think that my using a Gas Dryer makes a difference in the Laundry Smelling different and better, even with the Tide-He the Snuggle mixes well to me all right. I guess I'm "sold" on Snuggle, since I'm so "Snuggly-Soft" and a Big Huggable Teddy Bear...

Purex Tabs are wonderful except for the fact that they smell like candy.

*****Post# 27733-3/18/2003-22:18 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: Thanks to you all
MESSAGE: This is the coolest site, and I thought i was the only one, my family had space mates like in Mr wirths picture. must of been (BOL) only 1 dial on right. sure brought back memories. I have read almost all of the archives. I saw a Frigidaire turquoise with "jet wash action" in the 60's as a young kid. I was fascinated by it, however like another gent in here said, "leave that machine alone" was the war cry.:-)after the westy's we got a maytag about 1966, my dad flipped the west dryer. and it lasted another 10 yrs. around 75 my folks bought 75 kenmore with the gold pentavane ag. Thanks guys youre great

*****Post# 27734-3/18/2003-22:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: Thanks Guys Cont'd
MESSAGE: how many of you ripped the lid off a box of tide to jam it into that damn swith on the back of your moms maytag? My grandmother had a SQ 1970 an honest machine you could lift the lid and see the excitement. Jasonl there a few laundromats left in N.O. with solid basket machine here and there. There is a laundry on Lafayette St. toward Belle chasse beside a Piggly Wiggly they had 2 SQ's last time I was there. (they also have a great Milnor probably from the sixties or early seventies. Thanks again.

But I did have a few cases months ago of finding a bit of white residue left behind -- don't recall which detergent that was. Could have been Purex or HEB Bravo (local store brand) or possibly Fab.

Currently working on a bag of Mexican Ariel, but I'm finding it to be a bit less concentrated than the domestic version.

Ohh, and a surprise @ the grocery a couple days ago (Wal-Mart here no longer carries it) -- Downy Enhancer is now Downy Advanced. Also appears to be a bit more concentrated, and is a bit cheaper, $4.68 instead of $5.something. I don't recall exactly, but I think it's still a 34- or 35-load bottle, but is a little smaller size, and the measuring cap is definitely a bit smaller.

*****Post# 27737-3/19/2003-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE?
MESSAGE: Mom liked the rotorack so much for the lake house she decided she wanted one for our regular house when the time came to replace the Waste King.

*****Post# 27739-3/19/2003-00:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags)
MESSAGE: I jsut checked in my closet at the "offending" shirt. I held it against a sunny yellow one, this is more of a tangerine with a hint or orange in it. Rich, r u sure you didn't "doctor" this with photoshop???

*****Post# 27743-3/19/2003-01:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks to you all
MESSAGE: Welcome ALR!!! Another Land of Rust member. Well, I think I feel another wash-in coming on the calendar for New Orleans in an Avocado Frigidaire 1/18 pair once a certain member and husband return from vacation!!!

*****Post# 27744-3/19/2003-01:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags (a significant slap is due MISTER))
MESSAGE: I JUST found the ORIGINAL photo. Rich's photo has been "doctored". I thought I was more dull with my coordination of clothes, kakhi shorts & a similar kakhi/tan t-shirt too. I will be conspiring with another member of your household Rich. And hmm, someone's birthday is soon to arrive to!!!. Did I hear, the big 50???? Yes, I do recognize it was done in love and fun Rich, since you do know how I feel about pink anyway. The B O'B of St. Patty's Day.

*****Post# 27745-3/19/2003-03:28 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bird Cage (Bird Cage Kenmore's:)
MESSAGE: The Machines in the Movie "Bird Cage" look like about a 1965 Lady-K Washer and Dryer Set to me. I'm checking it out on my "DVD" but on a 19-inch Older Zenith Table Model Color TV Screen. It does look like they have the Cycle Push-Buttons on each side of the Timer Control, similar to my 1965 Lady-K Combo Controls, although mine is Avocado, so I'm not sure if they still had Turquoise then as well. They might be a little older {1963} or newer {1967} Models too.

Some people feel that one kind of detergent cleans better than the other. I suppose one is entitled to use whatever works better for them. Some people feel like the liquids are sudsier, some people feel like the powders are sudsier.

Some people feel like liquid detergents are easier to use. I think that powders and tablets are easier to use for me -- one can generally get a box with detergent for more loads than the equivalent volume/weight of liquid detergent. I dont' like to pay for the water, my washer can add water more easily and more cheaply than the detergent manufacturers.

Some people feel like powders leave a residue behind and/or don't dissolve very well. I have not had the problem, then again I don't overload the washer and I tend to use warm or hot water anyway, so it doesn't matter that much. Also, adding the powder in the proper dispenser (or before you add the clothes and then start the washer filling, like most washer manufacturers suggest) tend to correct the problem fairly well.

Some people object to the fact that liquids may not work correctly with the dispensers their washers have, particularly when one wants to run the automatic prewash. Then again, some washers don't have automatic prewash or can handle the liquid just fine. Yet some other washers can only do the automatic prewash *with* liquid detergents, on the other hand.

Some people feel like liquid detergents tend to degrade the parts of classic washers. I have no experience with that, both because I tend to not use liquid detergents and also because I have no classic washer so far.

But most of all, I think we don't need to be pushed around and reduce the number of choices. Right now, I add things like detergents and fabric softener to my washer dispenser, add the clothes, start the machine and that's it. I don't pretreat anything, I don't worry about spots. Everything tends to come out clean (with very rare exceptions). So I don't feel like I need to buy liquid detergent -- which about 50 years ago or so was advertised as easier to pretreat stains with etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I was at an Italian restaurant and a friend of mine freaked because she got a big blob of tomato sauce on her shirt. I told her not to worry, it would come out. She told me that it never comes out, she has to discard the shirts when that happens. I sent her home with enough Wisk Tablets (the one with color-safe bleach) and instructions to wash the load first with 2 tablets in warm water and then another 2 tablets in hot water (she has a toploader). She called me after the first cycle (warm) was over asking "Do I have to wash in hot too if the stain came out?" and I said "No, of course not.". So now she's pretty happy that she doesn't have to discard the shirt. She had never ever in her entire life heard that she could just put stuff in the washer without pretreating and then rubbing etc and have stuff come out clean. Well, living and learning.

My impression is that they are pushing liquid detergents not really because life is bad without them. They push liquid detergents because they are selling less product in a larger container for more money with way higher profit margin. People see the big bottle, they had trouble with powder not dissolving (for whatever reason) and they switch. They hate laundry, they have no idea how easy it can be. They pay the price. Right now, you can see that basically the only thing more expensive per load than liquid detergent is some of the tablets (but not all of them and not all the time either, they often end up on sale for less than the liquids). I have no problems with people making money selling me things, but I want to spend my money on things I find make a difference, and right now, for the conditions I do laundry in, liquids are just more expensive (when they clean the same) and often worse. People with different water hardness etc might find exactly the oposite, so they should buy the other products.

Just another perspective on the problem: have you ever noticed that blue jeans care labels from 20 or so years ago said "wash in hot water", then in the 80's it started saying "wash in warm water" and now they are all labeled "wash in cold water"? Why do you think is that? The fabric and dyes have not changed *at all* in all this time. I still wash all my blue jeans in hot water and they come out clean and soft as can be. They don't fade any faster than the ones washed in cold water. If anything, I have plenty of friends that discard jeans that are dirty, stained and harsh feeling in less than a year, when I tend to keep mine for at least 3 years and they often last me 5 years.

I think the crowd that is sending half of their stuff to the dry cleaners just because it says "dry clean only" (despite being 100% cotton with fiber-reactive dyes that won't fade or shrink) and/or wash a lot of stuff in cold water is the client base for liquid detergents.

And yes, if you go thru my clothes, you'll find stuff that is faded. They are all about 5-10 years old and get washed about 25-52 times per year. Which puts them well past the "legal lifetime" for clothes in USA, which is basically, anything is "permanent" or "colorfast" if it can be washed 50 times. Yes, that's right, clothing items are supposed to last only 50 washings in USA. I have very few items that are so new that they have not been washed at least 100 times by now. One of the shirts that tells me a lot about the "dangers" of washing in hot water is a black shirt that is very faded, but not in places that don't get sunlight -- inside pockets, for example, is just as dark as it ever was, and it's basically sunbleached, despite the fact we dont' spend much time in the sun. The shirt has always been washed in hot water and is about 8-10 years old tho.

Sorry about such a long reply -- but you did ask, so I figured I might as well tell you what I think.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

*****Post# 27747-3/19/2003-05:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs!
MESSAGE: Brent - if you can find the mountain fragrance of Purex tabs, try those. I also think they do a great cleaning job, but the smell on the original ones is way too strong. The mountain fragrance is still a definite fragrance, but milder...

*****Post# 27748-3/19/2003-05:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question Interesting Greg! What about your water softner?)
MESSAGE: Cold Power came in a liquid? I remember that it came in a powder, but a liquid was never even sampled in the Northeast....

I too have seen the RLR treatment - available in all our grocery stores for years. Never tried it though- - I don't need it either.

I laughed at your comments about your detergent selection. I also have a little detergent boutique at home, and quite well stocked so picking the detergent "du jour" takes quite a few minutes. From most recent and backward, we have: Purex tabs (mountain flavor), Tide with bleach powder(mountain flavor), Cheer complete powder, Gain with bleach powder(older fragrance only), Surf tabs and powder(purple fragrance and with bleach), a few small boxes of "Soviet Tide" in Alpine and lemon flavors that I found in a $.99 store, Fab powder (all three flavors), a few bottles of Fresh Start powder.

In the liquid department, I have a few Wisk HE, Cheer complete (sorry Peter - I know you hate it but it is good on some things especially if you hang the clothes outside)and a few Fab with bleach alternative.

I also managed to squirrel away some boxes of the ultra powders from the 90's - most of those with phosphates - Ajax, Fab, Oxydol, Cheer with Bleach and Fresh Start.

*****Post# 27749-3/19/2003-06:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks Guys Cont'd (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Dude, that's a few miles from my house. I am in Belle Chasse. My mom used to work at a dry cleaners (Cure's Cleaners) and I used to watch the Milnor FLs run. That's the reason why I own one today.

I gotta go check out this laundromat. Thanks for the heads up.

We need to get together with tcox619. he's in Metairie. And have a wash-in. He has a 60s Frigidaire and a set of 1-18s.

*****Post# 27750-3/19/2003-06:17 ||| tradem (Bangor maine)
SUBJECT: circa 1940s Electric/kerosene Range
MESSAGE: Hello I have a Atlantic Range made in the 40s by a company in Portland Maine. any info I can find about the company and stove would be helpful as I would like to sell it.It is half electric and half kerosene,mint condition .pix availible. Thanks PLMK

*****Post# 27751-3/19/2003-06:50 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Thanks Angus!)
MESSAGE: I am gong to look for that flavor.
I also forgot to post where I found the Purex so cheap. It was at Kmart. I am going to go back today and see if there is any left, or if the price is still the same. I know that Kmart is famous for either not having items on the shelf, and also famous for changing the prices if it is selling well.
Brent

*****Post# 27752-3/19/2003-07:26 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks to you all
MESSAGE: Bob, you are so right. We leave for New York tomorrow, but after we get home, I do smell another New Orleans wash-in coming since we now have a third person here ... one more and we could play bridge. hehe Will miss all the posts and pics, but will catch up next week.

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Lady Kenmore piece a few months back, and wondering if there are any more to see.

Bill

*****Post# 27755-3/19/2003-10:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (detergent evaluations)
MESSAGE: I can safely say that all name brand detergents from P&G, Lever and Colgate-Palmolive work very well in a Frigidaire 1-18!!!

-ph

*****Post# 27756-3/19/2003-12:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (Horrible noise on Norge)
MESSAGE: You're right, that horrible bang is simply the tub brake and normal for Norge (and Montgomery Ward Signature) machines. That's what it took to make the tub stop INSTANTLY. I wouldn't disconnect it, imagine it would take a LONG time to stop after spinning without it.

*****Post# 27757-3/19/2003-12:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (slow Norge agitation)
MESSAGE: The slow agitation might also be due to the fact that Norges touted that arc of swing for the agitator was much wider than other machines. I used to work in Montgomery Ward across from the appliacne department and I remember that feature being promoted.

*****Post# 27761-3/19/2003-15:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1953 stove soupwell question (Frigidaire soupwell)
MESSAGE: My Grandmother had a Frigidaire range with teh soupwell, and the element was set up so that it could be raised to the top and used as a regular surface unit.

*****Post# 27764-3/19/2003-16:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load dishwashers (Top loading Kenmore dishwasher top rack)
MESSAGE: Actually, the round top rack was split so you lifted it up and folded it over onto the other half of the rack to reach the lower rack. I have one with the same "body" but used the older impeller system, no rinse agent injector, and had a dial and 2 push buttons marked Heavy and Light. It has 2 timers and when set for Heavy, one timer would hand off to second timer to lengthen wash, then 2nd timer would hand control back to first timer to complete cycle. Cycle progress was indicated by a strip with neon lights on the left side that would light up under labels marked for the different phases. The interior is pink and absoulutely perfect.

*****Post# 27765-3/19/2003-16:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink is in.... (Mamie's Maytags (a significant slap is due MISTER))
MESSAGE: haha....Bobby....would I do that??? Well....yep, guess I would. I love to tease those I like. Here is the original photo...to prove that Bob would NEVER be caught in pink.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/convention2001&.src=ph&.dnm=Bob+Appnut.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/convention2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 27766-3/19/2003-16:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: CAn one stil buy a home use Speed Queen? It seems like the company that owns it now is totally geared toward commercial use.

*****Post# 27768-3/19/2003-17:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: This is AMAAAAAZING!!!! (washheads)
MESSAGE: I totally agree, Thank Goodness for the Internet. I've been fascinated with applicances as long as I remember (actually, I have a fascination with anything mechanical/electrical). I ended up beingpartial to Kenmore/Whirpool because they were one of the few brands that didn't have lid switches that killed all action when raised. Maytag especially irritated me becasue their lid switches would stop action at any attempt for the slightest peep. I soon noticed the different cycle phases of the different brands and the different sounds they'd make. I'm also a car buff and at an early age would imitate the sounds of the different automatic transmissions in cars when I waas taken on drives orpalying with toy cars.

Just wanted to let you know that I won the 65' Turquois Lady Kenmore set on Ebay.
When I first asked the seller about the history on these they stated that they had never been used. I was skeptical to say the least but upon a conversation with the seller today on the shipping of these I asked him again abouth the history and the story goes like this:

He was looking for a washer/dryer for his daughter. He answered an add for NEW WASHER and DRYER so he went to see them and realized that they were not NEW per say but they were in perfect condition, so he bought them. Talking with the original owners (they were in their 80's) they said that their son bought them for them but they could not use them because they were only hooked up to well water and therefor did not have the necessary pressure for the washer. So, the husband put them in his workshop, covered up in a temperature controled environment, on pallets. There they stayed for all these years. Upon further conversation with the seller he stated that the leveling feet are still in a plastic bag, along with the owners manuals for both and the hoses as well as the customary trial sized Downey and Tide!. I still cannot beleive that these machines are right off the Sears showroom. Pinch-me, I think I am dreaming!

I cannot wait for them to get here.

I will post pics of everything soon.

Happy appliance hunting,

Bruce

*****Post# 27770-3/19/2003-17:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks for the year (Kenmore spin speed)
MESSAGE: Kenmore/Whirlpool machines were never known for their fast spin speed (Consumer Reports used to complain about that). Now on the other, GE's and Frigidaires SPUN!

*****Post# 27771-3/19/2003-17:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Better job)
MESSAGE: No, I think they had pretty much perfected washers by the late 50's only things better now are energy efficiency, capacity, and versatile controls (as cool as ABC and 123 buttons and such were, still hampered your flexibilty. Even now on my 78 Kenmore, I wish I could have slow agitation with fast spin, but no....)

At least I heard they're bringing back 3 speeds

*****Post# 27772-3/19/2003-17:40 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen is no longer brought as sold for home use, but they are still manufactured for commercial application.
If you want to own one right now, here's one on eBay.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2313204185&category=20714

*****Post# 27773-3/19/2003-17:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: ???? (Does it spin dry?)
MESSAGE: I have one of these under the Avanti name. It doesn't spin, it's totally manual. It's made like an old top loading cylinder machine. It must be drained and filled manually, and the clothes removed and wrung out between washing, rinsing, and drying

*****Post# 27774-3/19/2003-17:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Amen to that)
MESSAGE: The new washers are like new cars, more efficient and such but BORING!. I LIKE wood grain, chrome, big flourescent lights, fancy plastic dials and consoles. That's why I keep repairing my Kenmores (about the only functional parts left original are the motor, timer, detergent valve) Just replaced the unbalance switch, it was actually melted from heat. I've NEVER replaced one of these switches in all the time I've been working on Kenmores. Sears has a problem in that they don't have a uniform system of naming parts. The repair manual called the part an unbalance/kickout switch, but in the exploded diagram later in the manual and on Sears parts computers, it's called a relay. When they finally found it and send it to me, what does it say on the box but "Switch, KO"

*****Post# 27775-3/19/2003-18:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: No pix yet, but heres a list of what I found (undercounter models in the mid 50's? Demise of Frigidaire Flair)
MESSAGE: I think the Flair ceaesd production around 1969 or 70. Jon was telling us at the convention that self clean ovens were kind of the do-in for those, since there wasn't a feasible way at least then to make the Flair ovens self cleaning.

I think one manufacturer still makes 40" ranges, one model.

*****Post# 27776-3/19/2003-18:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (Question)
MESSAGE: Not a snowballs chance that either undergarments or towels will be washed in less than hot water here! YUK! Do any modern labels anyone can think of say machine wash hot anymore?

*****Post# 27777-3/19/2003-18:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Increasing Kenmore Speed (Kenmore spin speed)
MESSAGE: The problem is that the spin pulley is an integral part of the basket drive and one surface is used as the brake clutch. So not practical to change out to a different size

*****Post# 27778-3/19/2003-18:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I don't believe you can. The last like it were Amana but they're different now too. I think you can get a homestyle SQ commercial toploader that just has controls and is not coinop, if you could obtain one through commercial channels.

*****Post# 27779-3/19/2003-18:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: This is wonderful Bruce, I'm so glad they have gone to a good home!

*****Post# 27780-3/19/2003-18:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Amen to that)
MESSAGE: Speaking of that, does anyone know if any of the direct machines have the buzzer, or did the buzzer go bye bye with belt drive?

*****Post# 27781-3/19/2003-18:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive? (belt drive parts availability)
MESSAGE: Fortunately, I haven't had Sears tell me a part wasn't available for my '78 Solid State Lady Kenmore with one exception, I couldn't get the Triple Dispenser lid in Coffee anymore, it only comes in white now. Same for the matching dryer, all parts needed have been available.

*****Post# 27782-3/19/2003-18:31 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: You are correct that they still make the commerical Speed Queens but they are the same as an Amana. They are all built at the same factory in Searcy, Arkansas.

*****Post# 27783-3/19/2003-18:57 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Direct Drives and Buzzers
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, Yes, I have seen a FEW Kenmore direct drives with an off balance buzzer, but they are few and far between. I have a TOL Whirlpool direct drive, all electronic, and it lacks an off balance buzzer. And Its interested to remember that even tho Whirlpool made Kenmores, Whirlpool itself never put an off balance buzzer on their own machines. All Kenmore TOL belt drives had buzzers, and even many of the middle models did, but I think I am correct in saying that Whirlpools never had them. Isnt that an interesting marketing concept? To make more features on your out sourced machines......... In defense of the lack of a direct drive buzzer, off balance load are not much of a problem with them. Seems the narrow deep tub handles the off sided weight relatively well. Almost like a Philco with "ball point balance"

*****Post# 27784-3/19/2003-19:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (Frigidaire spray tube)
MESSAGE: My recently deceased Grandmother was a big fan of Frigidaire (except the washers for some reason) and bought a new Frigidaire dishwasher in 1963 that still looks like new because she would hardly ever use it unless I nagged her, and the house it was in was unocccupied for long periods of time. In any case, I hate to say it, but it didn't wash dishes very well, though I surmise it's becuase the wash cycle was relatively short compared to other brands of the time and today's machines

*****Post# 27785-3/19/2003-19:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: 194? GE Dishwasher!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Ken & Jim spent a week with me here in sunny Florida getting away from the cold and ice of Michigan. (now don't get excited this wasn't a wash-in, just a vacation for Ken and Jim) Last night after a hearty meal of chicken and dumplings, we pulled the old GE dishwasher out of it's hiding place in the garage and washed our unrinsed dinner dishes. I'm guessing it's a late 40's model since it's not fully automatic. WELL!!! The machine is semi-automatic. You hook the water up and turn on the motor, hot water, and move the latch to the fill-drain position. When the water runs in a steady stream out the drain hose, you turn the water off and wait for the machine to finish draining. (this acts like a pre rinse) When the draining is finished, you move the latch to the wash position and water that is stored in the lid reservior drops into the machine via the detergent cup and washes the dishes. The directions say to wash for 5 minutes. After the wash time is up, you repeat those steps twice. The first rinse gets 2 minutes and the second gets one minute. We really had a great time using this old thing. Of course we tried to open the lid but there was WAY too much spray to get it open very far. When the time was up and the motor off and lid raised, we saw our impeccably clean dishes ready to dry and put away. According to the instruction sheet I will now save over 200 hours of my kitchen time every year! Mark (one of these days I'll figure out how to put pictures on the site)

*****Post# 27786-3/19/2003-19:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers
MESSAGE: Thanks Jimmy. I have always observed that Sears machines tended to be much more richly featured than their Whirlpool counterparts. They did have some interesting ideas.

I had one DD Kenmore that was rather unstable, but it was the flooring at fault, not the machine itself, I learned later.

*****Post# 27787-3/19/2003-19:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: '60 Frigidaire (Always look in the background of pictures)
MESSAGE: I see looking at Scott's pictures that there's more than a large appliance thing going on at his house :-)

In the backgrond I see the turquoise rotary wall phone, and on the counter a SCM Proctor-Silex LifeLong series glass coffee percolator. I'm hot after one of those on E-Bay, as well as a Sunbeam vacuum coffeemaker.

*****Post# 27789-3/19/2003-19:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set (You go Bruce! (Neck Turning!))
MESSAGE: Bruce,
I am only getting part of this. I think that I missed some of your posts. I do know that this set is the set that you grew up with, but I missed somehow, what is the year of the set.
Can you repeat it?
When are you getting them?
Where are they coming from?
Do you have ROOM for them? LOL.
You be soundings so excited! (I ain't one to gossip!)
I am happy for you!
Brent

*****Post# 27791-3/19/2003-20:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay (Suzy Homemaker washer)
MESSAGE: I wnated one when I was a child, too, but, being a boy, it was verboten.. But, thanks to E-bay, I have the washer, the range and a sink/dishwasher combo I didn't know existed.

*****Post# 27793-3/19/2003-20:27 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Increasing Kenmore Speed (Kenmore spin speed)
MESSAGE: John in MD has a 70' Lady Kenmore that he changed the pulley on and has increased the spin speed to about 700 rpm. It also increased the agitate speed but he says that he loves it because it really gets his jeans clean after working all day. I think that the snuber would have to be tight though to prevent any kind of noise and keep the machine from vibrating appart since they were not designed to spin that high.

*****Post# 27794-3/19/2003-20:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE? (Abysmal D & M)
MESSAGE: My 1978 Sears Electronic dishwasher washes excellent, and it's a D&M. However there are various incarnations of the D & M design that may not have worked so well. Mine is TOL with wash arms under both racks and a little one in the top of the tub. The only thing it tends to have trouble with is rice, which is cured if I runit on the Pots & Pans cycle. Otherwise I use the Water Miser cycle most of the time, using Normal cycle if it's a large/extra dirty load. The house we moved to had a Montgomery Ward (Frigidaire) and it didn't wash as well on its Heavy Duty cycle as the much older Kenmore did on the Water Miser cycle. I finally got fed up and replaced it with the Kenmore (we had brought it with us, our old house was demolished for an apartment building)

Yes, strangely enough, my towels, which are all the same brand (Canon Fieldcrest, I think) have different labels for different colors and ages. The older ones all said "wash hot", the newer ones (which were all bought at the same time) vary, some saying "wash hot 50C", some say "wash hot 60C" and some say "wash warm 40C". It's interesting that some very dark colors call for hotter wash than some of the "pastel" colors. Weird. I basically have the attitude that it says "100% cotton" and it's modern dyes (except for jeans), it gets washed all in hot -- I'd rather have clean faded towels (has not happened yet, but it might) than perfect colors and dirty... ;-)

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

*****Post# 27796-3/19/2003-21:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: Oh Bruce, the story makes me tingle even more. This is similar to my fantasy of finding a Frigidaire Unimatic/Filtrator or 1965-1970 rollermatic Rapid-Dry & matching dryer--basically never been used and sequestered away all these decades!!! I have this dream quite often. Specifically a charcoal grey WI57 & DI57 or a Turqoise WCI58 and DCI58 or anything from the years stated above.

*****Post# 27797-3/19/2003-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Amen to that)
MESSAGE: My 1986 DD LK has the off balance buzzer. I believe around 1994-1996 is when Sears ceased having off-balance buzzers on their machines, maybe a bit later. But I know they don't anymore.

*****Post# 27799-3/19/2003-21:13 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set (1965 Kenmore set)
MESSAGE: Hi I'm A new Member,just wanted to say:way to go Bruce! I had my fingers crossed for you. I just won a 1950's Whirlpool washer from E-bay. I have to have it shipped from South Carolina to Indiana. Can you recomend anything for me,or should I just do the yellow pages and go for it? I don't plan on "souping up" my Whirlpool.If you want "fast spin" get a Fridgidaire! I have had a 1963,and a 1971 Jetaction 1-18. Sadly both had to go to applianceville Heaven,as I had no source for parts at the time. I am suffering with an awful Maytag right now which I hate. Slow spin,and not much capacity. Hope to find a Fridgidaire again someday....

*****Post# 27800-3/19/2003-21:19 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (Horrible noise on Norge (but?))
MESSAGE: hello and thanks for your comments BUT it is NOT just ONE bang as people have told me it should be, it is SIX or SEVEN very loud bangs in succession..............

*****Post# 27801-3/19/2003-21:20 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (slow Norge agitation)
MESSAGE: this is like patheticall slow, it takes a full two to three seconds to swing in just one direction............

*****Post# 27804-3/19/2003-21:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (Horrible noise on Norge!!)
MESSAGE: I used to hate the loud bangs on those machines. But I thought the speed queens were louder & more annoying.
Peter

*****Post# 27806-3/19/2003-22:09 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Newer Kenmores...No off- balance buzzer)
MESSAGE: Yeah Folks,
I know this is a bit off topic, but I am curious: Did Whirlpool make Kenmore washers in the mid-90's? We have a 90 series gas dryer and an 80's series washer. They look like a matched set- all the control dials and knobs are the same. The washer is 2 speed; on the high speed it REALLY rotates the clothes from top to bottom ( I've never seen the old Frigidaires live- the way the clothes rotate from top to bottom seems VERY similar to the videos of Frig's. I've watched here). On low speed, the clothes don't seem to move from top to bottom much. It does not have a off-balance buzzer.
Are these fairly old designs? Both machines have HUGE capacities and do seem to clean well. They appear to be close to TOL. The washer probably uses tons of water, esp. since my better half insists on the optional second rinse. Just curious; I'll post this to the sandbox also.
Thanks!
Duane

*****Post# 27808-3/19/2003-22:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers
MESSAGE: I always thought that was interesting to see in the Whirlpool days of old, you'd think the OOB switch would be a "standard" feature in production crossing brand lines.

*****Post# 27809-3/19/2003-22:35 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers)
MESSAGE: I am ready to try tabs but have hesitated cuz I didnt know how well they would do in my automatic, timed detergent dispenser. Any thoughts or experiences out there?

Back in my coin-op days 13 years ago, the attendant told me that she switches between detergents to reduce wear on fabrics - said she's done it for 35 years, and before that, her Mother did it. Now, I dont know if I believed her, but I do switch to a liquid occasionally, then back to my standard Cheer powder. I use *ONLY* Woolite for my knit sweaters and other delicates.

My 1997 KM has 3 speeds. It *is* quite nice having that, a manual speed control with 6 wash/spin combinations, *and* a cycle modifier with 4 soak and rinse options. Ive not yet counted up how many possibilities that, along with 2 full cycles, a soak cycle, and a prewash cycle gives me, specially if you include the infinitely variable water level switch, but talk about your flexibility overkill!

*****Post# 27811-3/19/2003-22:49 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Amen to that)
MESSAGE: The OOB was gone in 89.

*****Post# 27812-3/19/2003-22:49 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set (Way to go!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Bruce, what a dream pair of machines to find and get! The turquoise was such a pretty color. I can just see these Lady Kenmore's set up with there beautiful console lights on. Any idea when you will get them? Have fun! Terry

*****Post# 27813-3/19/2003-22:54 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive? (belt drive parts availability)
MESSAGE: Wait a chicken pickin minute - your '78 is an electronic model??? HOOOOOWHEEE! Love those things! Is it one of the first ones that came out fall of 1977 that has the more interesting control layout and graphics?

*****Post# 27814-3/19/2003-23:09 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers (Whirlpools Without Unbalance Switches)
MESSAGE: That confirms what Ive always wondered since seeing the movie "Accidental Tourist". The author (played by William Hurt) is walking up from the basement after putting a load in his 1986 Whirlpool Imperial. The film depicts it going into spin, losing balance, and sounding off a buzzer, which frightens his dog, who causes him to lose his own balance and fall back down the stairs. Nobody until now has been able to answer whether some WPs got unbalance switches, or if the movie production team just didnt do their homework.

*****Post# 27815-3/19/2003-23:16 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Toy Washer on E-Bay (Suzy Homemaker washer)
MESSAGE: As a child, I got one for a Christmas present myself. To make it "alright", my grandparents got it along with the electric range they got for my sister (complete with chocolate cake mix and pans! YUUUUMYUM!!) passing it off as a complete set for "her", although everyone in the family knew the washing machine was *mine*, baby! Gave me my first start in picking apart washers to see what made them go. I must have taken that thing apart and put it back together 5 times before I was 5 years old. Seems I remember that the spin dry function broke fairly early after I got it. )o:

*****Post# 27817-3/19/2003-23:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: O'Keefe & Merritt dishwasher made by GE? (Let's Play Count the MFGs!!!)
MESSAGE: Son, how many different manufacturers made Tappan DWs??? My uncle and aunt bought a new house in 1978 with a new Tappan dishwasher that was....drum roll...a freaking WHIRLPOOL!

I think Tappans to this day are still made by GE...

So, we have D&M, Whirlpool, and GE. That makes your head spin.

Not only that, but in 1971, the Thorntons (the 1961 Kenmore owners Ive talked about) built a new house with new Tappan appliances. I can swear to this day that the DW was mechanically similar to Maytag - similar dial, similar grab handle across the top, similar little black button that you pressed to unlock the door - just like Maytag.

Someone tell me Im right or wrong! Nobody has been able to answer this for me yet.

*****Post# 27818-3/19/2003-23:31 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: Dude, it just doesnt get much better than that, unless it were shaded coppertone, my favorite from that year! You are a truly charmed and blessed man.

Does the washing machine still have that delightful NewKenmoreWasher smell - new plastic agitator and new painted porcelain tub smell mighty nice, specially with fresh hot water and a fragrant detergent.

How about the dryer? Still have fresh air freshener bottle in it or had that turned rancid?

*****Post# 27819-3/19/2003-23:35 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bird Cage ('64, I think)
MESSAGE: The Bird Cage w/d set exactly matches one I saw in a 1964 Sears catalog. I cant remember for sure, but seems that what looks like push buttons is actually a name badge; been years since Ive checked out that catalog.

It doesnt matter what quality of picture tube you watch it on, it is still difficult to make out detailed features of the set. I also seem to remember you dont get a lot of good shots of that great KA Superba dishwasher, either.

Always wondered about your nick - do you also have a Calypso, or just want one? If you already own one is it a WP Gold or a KM Elite (KM version is my fav)?

*****Post# 27821-3/19/2003-23:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: New -vs- Old (Newer Kenmores...No off- balance buzzer)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool has always made Kenmores from the very first automatic toploader that Sears ever sold all the way up to present day, and that would include the 90s. Get a part for a 90s or 00s Kenmore, and it will have "Whirlpool" printed somewhere on the packaging.

*****Post# 27822-3/19/2003-23:54 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers
MESSAGE: For the first few years of Direct Drive, KM's still had unbalance switches; my friend Susan's '88 or '89 model has one, as did my Mother's 1984 Design 2000 KM. But, a previous post was correct - the feature was eventually discontinued because the new design that marks today's KMs and WPs handles OOB loads better. I believe it: In 5 years, I have only once had a severely unbalanced load that required me to stop the washer, open the lid, and redistribute the load. Before that, in the 6 years I owned a direct drive KM portable, neither my roommate nor I ever had to do that.

*****Post# 27823-3/20/2003-00:16 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: "POD" 1970 Lady-K Washer and Clorox:
MESSAGE: Hi! Dear Club members and Friends, I'm feeling like I just made "Queen for a Day" because I just went to check out the "POD" and I was the first person to view it. My Parents had the 1968 Matching Lady-K Set and their Washer's Agitator didn't have the extra Fins almost 1/2 way up the Shaft of the Agtitor, theirs just had the adjustable Fins and it was Gold Color. Their Dryer was the first one with the Wrinkle-Guard feature too, but when I ordered the Machines for my Parents they had the first phase of that Dryer on the Sales Floor available with only the Degree of Dryness Control Timer, similar to the 1965 Lady-K Dryers. The Dryer also had the first Electronic Sensor straps that I had ever seen and they were on the bottom-right side of the rear Bulk-Head and were in a slight Pie-Shape style with several Bands going across the Plastic back molded holder of the Bands. It had a slide-bar type lever Heat Selector and a slide-bar type lever
End-of-Cycle Buzzer, on the lower area of the Control Panel and the Safety Start Push-Button was just off center to the right towards the Timer Control.

*****Post# 27824-3/20/2003-00:27 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: "POD" 1970 Lady-K Washer and Clorox:
MESSAGE: I always loved the LKs with the pushbutton timers, lighted console, and three speeds. Used to keep a page out of the Sears catalog when I was a youngster, until it was worn to tatters. Sorry I don't recall what year, sometime in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

*****Post# 27825-3/20/2003-00:28 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers:)
MESSAGE: Hi! there, why can't you just put the Tablet in the Tub, instead of in the Detergent Dispenser? That is what i'm going to do on my Neptune Washer, next time I have a real full load of Laundry to Wash in about 1-week. Yes, I also just went to
K-Mart on Wednesday and bought 2-Boxes of Tablets for $2.79 each Box and I found out that these are "HE" listed Tablets. There are 24-Tab's in each Box and it says 1-Tab is all you need for a Normal Soil Load, but use 2-Tab's if they Laundry is Heavily Soiled. For best results in Hard Water, use 2-Tabs. I will let everyone know if I like these Tabs next time I do Laundry and use them, OK? I'm totally sold so far, from what you Guys have experienced and shared on the Postings.

Which was your favorite - the 1969 catalog entry that looks like it was entered in a photo contest (totally unlit background with lighted control panels on the appliances), or the 1970 catalog, where the pair is sitting in some carpeted room? The 1969 was the one I couldnt stop looking at until I wore out the page.

Sacto:

Did your folks' 1968 dryer have Wrinkle Guard?

*****Post# 27827-3/20/2003-00:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers:)
MESSAGE: Ive thought about that - just seems such a waste of a good dispenser...

I'm sorry but I have some trouble trying to think and write what I want to say or explain at times. Yes, my Parents 1968 Lady-K Dryer did have the Wrinkle-Guard on it, the original Dryers that were on the Store Floor had the prior before Wrinkle-Guard Dryers until after I had ordered them and I happen to go into the Store on day and saw the newer version on the Floor and I made sure that my Salesman Friend knew to be sure to order the newer Dryer for me with the Wrinkle-Guard feature too. They were great Washers and Dryers and I wish I still had them, besides a lot of other Washers and Dryers we owned through the years. What a Collection I would have and that much more space needed to store them too, oh well.

*****Post# 27829-3/20/2003-01:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers:)
MESSAGE: That might be true about a waste of the great Dispenser, but why can't you just trade-off Detergents and use the Tab's, Liquid {if you do} and Powder equally or one over the others? That way it won't be a waste of the great Dispenser.

Well done on getting this great set, looking forward to seeing the pics, and what a fab story, makes you wonder how many other appliances there could be out there.

Cheers

Mike

*****Post# 27832-3/20/2003-04:57 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD
MESSAGE: Is the Lady Kenmore POD agitator one where you can lift part of it off for a gentler wash???

And how does the 4 stage wash action work, is it motor speed controlled???

Mike

*****Post# 27833-3/20/2003-05:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set (Way to go!!)
MESSAGE: Buce - what a fun story and an incredible find. A dream come true. I cannot wait for the pics either. Congratulations to you!

I also have a Calypso in storage from my move. It is the Kenmore version in Graphite. They are neat machines, I really liked it but I will probably sell it along with a Bottom-freezer frige. since I will not be buying a home again for awhile.

The Vari-Flex agitator was adjustable. What you did was turn the top of the agitator post to Extend or Retract the lower fins. With a 3-speed motor and 4 adjustments on the agitator you had endless possibilities. A washer lovers dream. This is my favorite agitator from Kenmore.

Bruce

*****Post# 27838-3/20/2003-07:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers:)
MESSAGE: PUrex Tabs work in the dispenser. Just drop one in and start the machine. It dissolves instantly and it comes right out. On a Frigemore, you can see this happening because the water shoots out by the window.

As soon as you start the machine, the water's clear, then it goes white for a few seconds. That's the Purex Tab. Then it goes clear again. Fun to watch.

*****Post# 27839-3/20/2003-07:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD
MESSAGE: My aunt had one of those and those buttons are fascinating. One of the most beautiful machines ever made.

*****Post# 27840-3/20/2003-08:16 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: Chris,
I don't think that bottle ever goes bad. I brought an 1968 electic Kenmore dryer off eBay and if I can recall, the scent is sweet and strong!

You are right about the size of that electronc sensor, it is huge!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/vwp?.dir=/My+new+collection&.dnm=Kenmore+Electric+Dryer+001.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/vwp%3f.dir=/My%2bnew%2bcollection%26.dnm=Picture%2b088.jpg%26.src=ph

*****Post# 27842-3/20/2003-10:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Tabs & Dispensers)
MESSAGE: I have a problem in my laundromat with undisolved tablets in the dispensers. When I see tablets come thru the door, I tell my customers to crush them before putting them in the dispenser. Tide tabs are the worst for dissolving and they are harder to crush also.

*****Post# 27844-3/20/2003-10:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge leaks like a sieve........ (slow Norge agitation)
MESSAGE: Normal speed on the later Norge design should be about 52 spm, on par with a WP or KM. They were actually quite brisk. I think the older solid tub was slightly slower.

-ph

*****Post# 27845-3/20/2003-10:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: The real SQ TL design is made by Alliance Laundry Systems. Just before Amana was bought out by Maytag, they started to stray (read: cheapen) from the Alliance machine. So if you want a real SQ for home use today, you can contact your local SQ/Huebsch commercial distributor and buy an OPL (on premise laundry) machine.
LINK: http://www.speedqueen.com/opl/Locator.htm

*****Post# 27846-3/20/2003-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: The Vari-Flex agitator has the base, the 3 adjustable fins, and a cover. With your palm on the top of the agitator (the gold pop-up button top), which is part of the base, you grip the top of the cover (the round rim top) and lift and turn it to the desired setting, then release and let it drop down and lock into place. As you turn, the adjustable fins slide along a track and either extend out or retract back into the cover. The gold top is marked for HI and LO and 2 other setting inbetween, and the "pointer" is on the white top of the cover. You can barely see it in the pic insert on the ad. The washer in the pic is set to HI, the next setting down has the fins even with the base, the next setting down is between the base and the cover, and LO has them completely retracted. Even tho' the fins only move about 1/2 inch with each setting, it is amazing how much difference in rollover each 1/2 inch makes.

Yes, it is a veri-fun agitator, but it is HUGE and you really loose capacity with it installed. As small load in a 1-18 is a large load with this agitator.

What type of block did the agitator use?
The current spline that is on the WP/KM or was it octagon shaped?

Through Sears parts dept. it can be ordered:
285119(363171)
285119(363159)
Very, Vari-Flex EXPENSIVE!

*****Post# 27849-3/20/2003-11:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Vari-Flex splined)
MESSAGE: It is the spline one. Didn't they make this one different so that only the LK could have the VF?

*****Post# 27851-3/20/2003-12:29 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: That little bottle of air freshener I was told, is the same thing as a bottle of poppers. Is this what was used to freshen clothes (and clean tape recorder heads) instead of the sunnybrite light bulb that was supposed to create ozone? A neighbor had one of these LK dryers and they had both the bottle freshener and the lightbulb as I recall. I used to go into their outbuilding where the dryer was and turn it on with the door open, holding the switch, and watch the light bulb! Mark

*****Post# 27854-3/20/2003-14:58 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: POD to ownership
MESSAGE: I didn't realize that I had another POD appliance in my collection until I began posting some pictures into my Yahoo Briefcase.

Overall, the washer is in mint condition, but it has a small water leak that is either coming from the side mounted lint filter or from the bleach dispenser hose to the outer tub or from the water level switch. I can not pinpoint the problem until I refill the machine and look very hard for where the water leak is coming from off the basket support base.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/lst?.dir=/Vintage+Washers+and+Dryers&.src=ph

That Penta-Vane is one strong agitator when the water level is set from low to medium high, but once it is set at ex-high, the rollover slows down somewhat, but the load is still cleansed through and through!

Welcome to the group!

*****Post# 27856-3/20/2003-15:45 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: STACKED WESTINGHOUSE SET ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: You took the words right out of my keyboard; that looks like a gas access door to me too!

*****Post# 27859-3/20/2003-16:01 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: STACKED WESTINGHOUSE SET ON EBAY!!! (Westinghouse Stack Machines:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I can answer that question about the little door on the Dryer. It isn't necessarily because of the Dryer being Gas, instead of Electric. It is an access panel to bolt the machines together. I know because I have the Gibson Washer and White-Westinghouse Dryer and they have the same access panel to bolt them together. There are clips on the rear side that slots on the Dryer clamp into and then you actually use one of the Level Legs from the Dryer to "Bolt" them together just in that one front side and adjust the other front Level leg all the way in flush to the bottom of the underneath of the Cabinet, behind the access panel. Mine are not in use at this time, they are being stored in my Garage until I decide what to do with them. I've been thinking of either selling my Neptunes and keeping the Gibson/White Westhinghouse Stacked ones, or vise-versa, or sell both, but I'm not sure as of yet. The Stacked Set are an early 1990s Set and even though they are different brands through the parent company, they are identical in looks and the Washer does have the
"Weigh-To-Save" pull down Door and the Dryer has the Stationary Dry Rack that hangs on the Lint Vent Holes on the Door. I really like both Sets and they seem to clean almost about the same, being pretty well.

*****Post# 27860-3/20/2003-16:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (liquid vs. powder)
MESSAGE: I've found powder to be WAY cheaper, at least the way I buy it (giant bucket of CLOUT from Costco) which would seem obvious since water is heavy to ship. But, I keep both types around and have been know to use some of each in 1 wash load if things are REALLY dirty (along with oxygen bleach and ammonia)

I have the same catalogue. My clothes are going to be Flipped, Rolled and Gently Spanked. Sounds to me like something that happens in a dark alley!. OOPS

I forgot about the Tub Light on these also. OOOOOH

Cannot wait.

*****Post# 27862-3/20/2003-16:21 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers)
MESSAGE: I would say, believe her!
With my experience doing the family laundry at one time, changing from brand to brand reduces greying of colors and whites. For some reason, when using the same brand over and over, colors and whites gets very dull and treatment to brighten these fabrics gets very tough unless you add emzyme to the wash like Biz or Borax.

*****Post# 27863-3/20/2003-16:21 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: That is really neat. I think the 65' LK has that also. It says something about an air freshener in the catalogue.

There is a set of matching "PINK" Maytag automatics for sale....They look to be not the top of the line but slightly under. Lighted Control panels, and according to the auction the washer has been rebuilt and the dryer has a new heasting element.

Go look and you will see it. It's BEAUTIFUL

Thanks
Chad.

P.s. If anyone knows where I can find a set or just the washer of a Westinghouse from the early 60's or ANY slant front automatic from the 1960's and don't want an arm and a leg for them let me know.

*****Post# 27866-3/20/2003-16:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A new SQ comes home (Speed Queen/Amana)
MESSAGE: Well, this should be interesting to see what happens, since Speed Queen is Alliance and Amana is now Maytag

I appreciate all the calls reffering me to WHERE there is or if you have a 1950's style Westinghouse Laundromat Automatic washer set. I am actually looking for one that is a slant front but as NEW as possible. I am looking for a washer but If there is a set I would be interested too. I decided that if I was to purchase a set that was olderi.e. the 50's i would overuse it and break them. Therefore i really need to find the newest WORKING Slant Front automatic Westinghouse that I can find. Color and such is not an issue. If you know of where there is a early to late 60's Westy, let me know by telephone at 517-627-9541. Please leave your NAME, NUMBER, and DETAILED description of what you have; AND THE PRICE of what you want for it.

*****Post# 27869-3/20/2003-16:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers (Sears vs Whirlpool features)
MESSAGE: I suspect WAY more Whirlpools were and are sold as Kenmores than Whirlpools. I noticed that when the Dual Action agitator came out, it was on Kenmore machines for along time before it appeared on Whirlpools. And I'm willing to bet a lot more Coldspot refrigerators went out the door than Whirlpools, too. This is probably due to credit being easier to get at Sears than the independent dealers that Whirlpool was sold at.

*****Post# 27870-3/20/2003-16:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: For me, it depends on the garment itself, not so much what it's made of. A 100% cotton towel I don't mind giving the "rough" treatment to, but 100% clothes, especially shirts, I use cold water and even gentle cycle because they last much longer and shirts don't really get "dirty" enough (at least, not dress or casual shirts) to need hot water and long, high speed agitation.

*****Post# 27871-3/20/2003-16:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM's New Kitchen WOOW!! (1963 Frigidaire spray tube)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm trying to save it now, My Mom is hot to sell Granny's house and I'm trying to convince her to keep it so I can eventually get it.

*****Post# 27873-3/20/2003-17:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drive Or Belt drive? (78 electronic Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Yes, I think it's the first one, has the small control panel with the manual water level conrol on the left and the Hold-Restart and on-off switch on the right. Was ordering parts for it on Sears.com and noticed the parts list is dated 9/77. Partner and I were re-modeling our house in '78 (ironically, I was working at Montgomery Ward) and I was in charge of ordering the new appliances. Since we already had a 1960 large chrome top O'Keefe & Merritt range, and had already purchased a Wards(Tappan) refrigerator in brown to match it, I ordered the washer dryer set in Coffee. The electronic dishwasher and a compacter, ordered at the same time, had interchangeable panels. Since I worked at Wards at the time, I bought their best digital microwave(made by Sharp)with the browning element and temp probe. All of them except the range (no room in new house) and refrigerator (larger GE came with house, so Wards was sold to a friend)are still in daily use, though many repairs have been done over the years.

*****Post# 27874-3/20/2003-17:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Lift off agitator)
MESSAGE: The lift-off agitator was a Westinghouse feature. Kenmores had a system where you pulled up on the agitator and rotated it, which would retract the tips of the fins at the bottom of the agitator.

*****Post# 27875-3/20/2003-17:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Lift off agitator)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint had an agitator that you would lift off and it was this skinny little thing for washing delicate items.

*****Post# 27876-3/20/2003-19:40 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Looks like it would SHRED clothes!)
MESSAGE: Did this agitator move relatively little? It looks like it could really rip things if it moved much or very fast.

*****Post# 27877-3/20/2003-19:41 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Looks like it would SHRED clothes!)
MESSAGE: The Rotoflex ran off the same transmission as any other belt-drive machine.

*****Post# 27878-3/20/2003-19:57 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: STACKED WESTINGHOUSE SET ON EBAY!!! (Gas Or 220V? Older Westie washers)
MESSAGE: This does look like a White/Westinghouse set in a house I rented for three years up on Beaver Island. I assume they were from the late 70's when the house was built. The ones I used didn't have as many controls or the access hatch(I had the electric dryer) as I recall. They worked well and the washer used little water- a concern when one has a septic system. I remember seeing a few like this on the island- the local general store was a dealer. They are still in the house; when I moved out, the washer was developing some rust around the window.
I'm curious; did the older slant front Westinghouse washers have a tilted drum? That may have helped with the door rust problem if they did.
Duane

*****Post# 27879-3/20/2003-20:11 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Top Load Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I am looking for info & pic's of top load dishwashers. Did most only have 1 wash arm or were there makes & models out there that I do not know about. Info is not as easy to find as for vintage washing machines. Do not get me wrong, All dishwashers are a fantastic to me but top loaders seem to be my pasion. If anyone has a link, pic, or info I would appreciate hearing from you.

*****Post# 27880-3/20/2003-20:33 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Just Acquired Kenmore E-Dryer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I was just given a Kenmore "MOL" W-O-W w/Blue and Gray Lettering and Numbering Electric Dryer, Model #110-96586200, from a Grade School Friend. Unfortunately they got rid of the Washer some time ago, but they did purchase new Kenmores again, one at a time, between break-downs. Would anyone have any idea as to what year these are? They look somewhat like the Similar Console of my 1992 Lady-K Mechanical Washer and Dryer Set I had, and wish I still had. I was told that it quit Heating. Can't wait til I can have time to take it apart, clean it out and see why it isn't Heating. I appreciate any info you have for me of the year thanks, take care dear Club Friends, Steve P.S. He is going to get me the Manuals of both when he can find them.

*****Post# 27881-3/20/2003-20:36 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse 1960-1969 Laundromat
MESSAGE: Chad,
It is cool that you are in Lansing, MI; me too! Have you checked out this Yahoo group? It is just getting off the ground; one member has several slant fronts. Do you just like the looks of them, do they bring back good memories, or do they just clean well? Have you checked out the video library here? There are several GREAT videos of old Westie commercials. Some of them even have Lucy, Ricky, Ethel, and Fred.
Take Care,
Duane
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LaundromatSlantFront/?yguid=59946417

I wrote to the detergent companies but they would not divulge the chemicals that they use. My doctors have said that they must use ethanol in the formula, which is very toxic for me.

Rich

*****Post# 27883-3/20/2003-21:21 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (mike top load question #27879)
MESSAGE: Mike I had a top load GE in an apartment in the late 70's the wash system was the same as the front load GE. revolving arm at bottom, and an extending tower for the top racks the top racks were attached to arms that lifted them in 2 separate sections. The detergent cup was covered with a lid, it was activated by the timer and flipped upside down for main wash, you manually flipped it upright for the next run. really it was pretty cool, kind of noisey though, it worked VERY well. alr2903 P.S. this wash system was still in use the original d/w here had same wash arm and tower was in this house in 1982

*****Post# 27884-3/20/2003-21:34 ||| MiniJim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Fridge help
MESSAGE: Whenever this thing decides to stop working I want to take it to Antique Appliances and have them restore it. Its really a great machine. Any help from you guys will be most helpful. Really enjoy reading your posts. Nice to know that there lots of crazy people out there with the same interests. If I keep looking at this site I will need to go into the basement and pull out the old Bendix and clean it up so I can have something to talk about.

My parents have and still use (only when they have company) a Kitchen Aid Vari-Cycle top loader that they purchased new in 1969. It has a single x-shaped wash arm that washes well most of the time. It has a cone-shaped fine mesh filter under the wash arm that has to be cleaned periodically (usually when washing performance starts to suffer ;-)). Cleaning the filter can be a very messy job ... especially if you let it go for too long.

It has three cycles: normal, rinse and hold, and utility utensil. The latter cycle is the pots and pans cycle. The wash action is more vigorous and the drying element and blower do not operate during this cycle. The timer dial used to continue to advance until it reaches "off" at the end of both the rinse and hold and utility utensil cycles. About 10 years or so ago, the timer started to stick between the first and second rinse segment of the dial on all cycles. It makes a load clicking noise and has to be advanced manually. You have to turn it very slowly so that the rinse water turns on during the normal cycle.

The top rack has two sections. A small rack that hangs from the back of the machine and larger rack that is attached to the lid and lifts when you open the machine. Items on the top rack don't wash very well during the utility utensil cycle, because the pots and pans block the spray.

*****Post# 27887-3/20/2003-23:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: I usually use warm water for my shirts and other clothing, but linens and undergarments, that sort of thing I like washed in hot water. I do not purchase deeply colored sheets or towels for that reason.

*****Post# 27888-3/20/2003-23:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (Ktichenaid Top Loader)
MESSAGE: Mike, some Whirlpool toploading dishwashers had a spray arm underr the top rack as well as the bottom rack. I think GregM has a pic of one as well as PeterH770.

*****Post# 27891-3/20/2003-23:52 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: 65' Lady Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: Guess it has to do with storage; I have seen several posts in this forum from guys who picked up dryers where the air fresheners had gone really sour.

*****Post# 27893-3/21/2003-00:14 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Direct Drives and Buzzers (Sears vs Whirlpool features)
MESSAGE: Yes, Sears' Easy Payment terms have sold a lot of appliances for them over the years.

But, I think it all goes back to the old slogan, "You get more with a Kenmore" - they have always had a good mix of loads of features for a reasonable price. My Frigidaire-built Kenmore gas range I bought 3 years ago has a built in electric warming drawer. Cost only $695. When I renovated my kitchen last fall, I went looking for exactly the same range. Even the Frigidaire model was $1200!

The Dual Action/Double Duty Surgilator story is that the patent finally ran out 20 years after its introduction, because the same year the Whirlpool Double Duty came out was the same year GE put a two-stage agitator in their machine, and the year before Maytag put one in theirs. Cant imagine Whirlpool would not hold the patent on it, but seems like Leslie, our resident Whirlpool executive, told me that Sears has their own engineers, &c., who come up with their own modifications, even though the Kenmores roll off the same assembly line in Clyde, Ohio that the Whirlpool washers and dryers are built on.

This also explains why Kenmores are so moderately priced: a Whirlpool salesperson once told me that Sears has to do business on a strictly "low bid" basis after Whirlpool bought KitchenAid.

I remember fall of 1977 because I saw that first electronic model in the new (at the time) Almond color. I had never seen almond, and I had never seen a washer with electronic controls. It was breathtaking. After a decade of copper, avocado, and gold, almond was clean and fresh and a nice change of pace.

*****Post# 27898-3/21/2003-08:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Tabs & Dispensers)
MESSAGE: I went out and got me a box too! They really smell great and leave a wonderful fragrance in the wash. Can't wait to try them in my Frigidaire 59 and then hang clothes on the line. I'll let you guys know if theres any residue left on dark colors when line drying. Mark

*****Post# 27900-3/21/2003-11:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "The Lady" Kenmore ...POD (Looks like it would SHRED clothes!)
MESSAGE: Seen them in action, has standard Whirlpool/Kenmore swing and arc. The vanes are flexible.

*****Post# 27901-3/21/2003-11:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (Top loading dishwasher spray arms)
MESSAGE: From what I've seen, top loading dishwashers followed the same engineering advances as front loading ones insofar as the lower rack, going from the impeller system to the rotating spray arm system. But for the top rack, I've only seen two systems, a tower coming up from the lower wash arm, or a spray tube that coming out from the wall that would hit the dishes in the upper rack and make the rack turn. GE also had the same little sprayer (Power Shower) in the lid of their top loaders that the front loaders had in their ceilings.

*****Post# 27903-3/21/2003-13:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: Seems like sheets are the only thing I have that are labeled "Permanent Press" anymore, so that's the cycle I use for them. Also, on a differnt note, it seems that Maytag's idea of a "gentle" cycle is siimply regular agitation with rest periods, rather than slow, continuous agitation. Any opinions on that?

*****Post# 27904-3/21/2003-13:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (top rack spray arms in top loading dishwashers)
MESSAGE: So post those pics, I sure would like to see how they made that work.

*****Post# 27905-3/21/2003-13:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD to ownership (water level switch leak)
MESSAGE: The leak couldn't come from the water level switch, it's too high above tub level. It COULD come from the air dome on the side of the outer tub that the tube connects the switch to.

*****Post# 27907-3/21/2003-13:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (top rack spray arms in top loading dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Most likely with a tower protruding through the lower rack that shot a stream of water from the pump to the upper arm, same as on the front-loaders.

*****Post# 27908-3/21/2003-13:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (WP top rack and spray arm)
MESSAGE: The WP had a 2 part upper rack that rolls back and forth to get to the bottom. One rack has the tynes to hold the glasses, but the other is flat. Both can be lifted out as needed. IMHO it is a pain in the next to load with the racks in, regardless how they are slid!

*****Post# 27910-3/21/2003-16:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 )
MESSAGE: This is not a good idea at all for timers, it may seem like a cure for a "stuck" timer, but in time, the WD40 gets gummy and makes things much worse in an electrical control/clockwork mechanism.

You can obtain a new or rebuilt timer from Midwest Timers Inc. - call them at 1-800-253-7260 with the timer part number and they should be able to help you.

*****Post# 27911-3/21/2003-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: Maytags were so "gentle" to begin with but they typically used this sequence on their one-speed machines with separate delicate cycles. Two speed machines were slow agitation with no pauses. Usually the manual recommended using a full water level so that the agitation would be cushioned by the water and the items wouldn't be thrashed too much during these phases.

*****Post# 27912-3/21/2003-18:07 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: I do agree that the Maytags are gentle. I remember the A510 my parents had was the Fabric Matic system and it worked well with the soaks between the agitation. I sometimes used it as a soak cycle. The new Maytag my A613 has the long arc 6 gear drive system and it does wash well but I have been noticing that some things like my jeans are getting worn out faster than they would in my Frigidaire washer.
I did put the PowerFlex 12 agitator in the 613 but it doesnt wash as well. And I also tried the Load Sensor Agitator as well and it cleans fine and turn over is fine but it drives too much down to the base. The washer then sounds like its going into transmission lock up. So I dont use that anymore put back the Power Fin Agitator.
On another note I am finally going to Omaha the last week of April. And I should be there for a week. The ex has the BF moving in so I now have to get the rest of my stuff out...such fun. I am driving out there so I can have my own wheels and not rely on him so i can go where ever and when ever I want to.And maybe bring some goodies back here to Maine that I miss.
Mike

It's not a problem. I actually hail from Grand Ledge city of the Comets Football team, the Ledges and a neat Pere-Marquette trestle that someday if I don't get out of here I will be swinging from...:) Just Kidding. I had no idea that a fellow washerhead lived even remotly close to lansing. I know of one guy in D-town but not Lans. Anyway...Igrew up with Westinghouse stuff...the local Appliance dealer here in GL was Eschtruth's and they sold Westinghouse stuff. In fact he sold a whole Medallion home to my grandmother when she built her house in 63'.

Anyway....I am usually here in Howell where I work and occasionally hang out around Lansing. But nothing major. Anyhow...hope that you have a great week...P.S. I used to live in Rapid River...which I know is nowhere NEAR Beaver Island...but it sound cool that you got to live there anyway.
Oh yeah and my Whitinghouse washer has minimal...(but starting) rust around the rim of the door too. I think that it was a WCI thing.

Even though the older Westinghouse Laundromats were Tilt a Tub's, the water still splashed up to the door...and I'm assuming that rust formed there too. Westinghouse dropped the tiltatub principal in 1958 after the L-110 Laundromat that you see in the Westinghouse Fiesta clip, due to manufacturing costs. According to Robert, alll Westinghouse washers built after 1958 had the same basic mechanism and tubs that our Front Loader Whitinghouses had.So go figure. I just remember there being a larger tub version at one point. and I would like to find one. If you see one out there in Michigan when you go "tiquing..i.e. Antiquing please let me know...unless you want to keep if for yourself.

The first picture in the album you posted the link to is an advertisement for your kenmore, could you please email me that? I'd like to read what it says and try and identify the other washers, one looks like a whirlpool and the last one a maytag. My e addy is herbburb@yahoo.com

Thanks =)
~Steven

*****Post# 27915-3/21/2003-21:05 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Here is a BIGGIE question... Can anyone help?
MESSAGE: Okay, I know this is A LOT to ask for but, me and my mom are having a hard time dealing with all of the laundry. Even though we have two washers running every evening, it takes a 10 hours to do a weeks worth of laundry, 7 people! This amount is on the weekends only, this does not count the amount of laundry done during the week. Me and my mom would love to get a UniMac UM100 washing machine. It would give us a lot more family and free time to do stuff that is fun. I barelly even know my new three year old adopted brother. The price is way out of our range though. We ask for your help to purchase this machine for my family. The price is a total of $3590.00 and $170.00 for shipping. All I have is $50.00 And I am putting it all in, Subtracting the $50.00 the total price is $3710.00. Please, we ask yuo to help my family. This is a very serious matter. We can get 75-100 pounds of laundry done with this machine. This is the lower model, it has one wash tub and one extraction tub. But it would really help our family A LOT, please help. Me and my family would sincerely love it. I know this is a Semi- Automatic washer but we are definately willing to do more work in a smaller amount of time.
LINK: http://www.uniwash.com/PRODUCTS/we_um.htm

*****Post# 27916-3/21/2003-21:28 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 )
MESSAGE: Thanks guys! Now I just have to convince my parents to let me try to fix the timer. Dad's 82, Mom's 78 and to say that they're both set in their ways would be an understatement. For some strange reason they think that the dishwasher is fine the way it is. (The fact that they live by themselves and rarely entertain these days may have something to do with it. Mom washes dishes by hand for the most part.) We've had several arguments about it over the years ... especially when I was still living at home! I'm afraid that they'll get rid of the machine if I push too hard, so I have to proceed with caution. I'll keep everyone posted and thanks again.

*****Post# 27918-3/21/2003-21:39 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (Sliding top racks)
MESSAGE: My parent's 1969 Kitchen Aid top loader replaced on 1959 LK top loader that had two sliding racks. (Mom still has one ... she uses it as a dish drainer.) Each rack had two sections ... part of it is designed to hold cups and part of it is designed to hold glasses and small plates. I remember it being a pain to have to remove one rack and slide the other (especially when they were full) to access the bottom rack. At least once a week, the rack that was being slid fell off one of its tracks and landed with a crash on the dishes below. It's a wonder that nothing ever got broken. (That machine had an bakelite impeller that frequently had to be replaced because it got broken by silverware that fell out of the basket and became wedged between the impellor and the bottom rack. More than a few dishes got broken by pieces the broken impeller being thrown around the machine.)

*****Post# 27920-3/21/2003-21:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Here is a BIGGIE question... Can anyone help?
MESSAGE: Jamie, you can't be serious. Are you wearing something for one hour, then changing clothes because "they are dirty"? Are you underloading the washer? Are you the only one doing the wash?

Getting a 100# washer will not do it, because you would have to get a 150#+ dryer to go with it to handle the loads, plus your hot water heater will not be able to keep up, plus you will probably need 3-phase electrical service from the street to your house, plus your home sewer line is probably too small to handle the drain water, plus unless you have room in the garage or a storage building there will be no room for it in the house, plus you still have to fold or put stuff on hangers or put it all away, plus you still wouldn't get to know your baby brother because you will still be sitting in front of it!

Your best bet is for your parents to decide on one day or evening a week, load the car up and go to a laundromat nearby. Do all the washing at once, do all the drying at once, take it all home to fold. You'll be done within 90 minutes. Alot more time and money efficient.

There's a big difference between a hobby and work. You take care of work as efficiently and quickly as possible.

-ph

*****Post# 27921-3/21/2003-22:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 , other info:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I was told a long time ago by a good friend of my Family to use Lithium Grease on Timer Gears. It is {or was} available in a Tube, I don't know about if it would be available or how it would be contained, but it could be used like a Tooth Paste Tube to "ooze" into the parts of the Gears, where they connect to each other. I have never used that on any of my own Machines, but I did help him with working on his Machines and they seemed to pretty much never have any further problems after using that on them.

I have often wondered if it would also work on at least larger Clock Gears, but I'm going to ask a Clock Repair Shop first.

*****Post# 27923-3/21/2003-22:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Question About Automatic Dispensers: (gadgetmad))
MESSAGE: Chris, I can't even remember when the last was I used the detergent dispenser in my shredmore. It's rare I wash anything beyond 8 minutes, if I do, they get a long soaking epriod too.

*****Post# 27926-3/21/2003-22:45 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Apex Wash-A-Matic (3/21/03 POD)
MESSAGE: That Apex is one handsome machine. That Sprial Tub Agitator sure looks interesting! Is that the so what's been called "shaking basket", "wobbling basket", and/or "bouncing basket" wash action on the low rated Apex and Universal machines that are included in the Vintage Consumer Articles that are avialable on this site? Talk about an unusual design. I can see why the washing action may not have been very effective.

*****Post# 27927-3/21/2003-23:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: Will you have room for some "major" goodies on the return trip home? I've been itching to do some spring cleaning...

If you'll be here a week, at some point you will need to do wash, give me a call and we can do a wash-in!

*****Post# 27928-3/22/2003-00:20 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Gadgetmad Replies)
MESSAGE: Not me, big boy - I even still have the inset and flow diverter for liquid detergent. I am downright *anal* about where I put that thing so that I shouldnt lose it.

*****Post# 27932-3/22/2003-05:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: Bruce- what a beautiful pair. I am still in awe of the whole thing. Many congratulations to you!!

*****Post# 27933-3/22/2003-05:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Spotted Yesterday....
MESSAGE: While at Wal Mart yesterday, spotted more Gain powder at $3.00 for the 40 or 31 use size. But something new was there also - Purex liquid detergent for Dark Colors. Comes in a midnight blue/almost black bottle with a purple cap and costs $2.79 for what I believe was 64 ounces or 80 ounces. Silly me, forgot to note the size. Didn't buy any since I still have a fair amount of Woolite for Darks. But I understand that Cheer liquid is now touting itself as "keping dark colors dark".....

Due to me having trouble getting pics up on the site, Peter was so kind to put these up so everyone could see.

THANKS PETER !!!!!

*****Post# 27935-3/22/2003-07:45 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: As soon as I get them I will check them over of course. The hoses, trans. seal, pump seal etc.. If they were never used the seals could be dried out. May have to oil the shaft also. But who knows, because they were stored so well I may be able to just plug them in and go. I will have interior pics and lights-on pics soon.

*****Post# 27936-3/22/2003-07:47 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Thank you
MESSAGE: Thank you all for your thoughts. I cannot wait to see them.

*****Post# 27937-3/22/2003-07:56 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Seals: Pump and Transmission
MESSAGE: Anyone have any thoughts on what I may need to do to these machines when I get them. I will check them over of course but If they were never hooked up how will I know if the seals are OK. I would not want to take it appart and then destroy what is there. Should I lube the shaft and pump?. If they were stored as well as stated them maybe nothing needs to be done?. Maybe the only way to know for sure is to plug it in and test it?.

Thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Thanks

*****Post# 27938-3/22/2003-08:39 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Calypso Bruce's new Lady Kenmores
MESSAGE: Bruce, what year are these beauties? Early 60's I'm guessing but do you know the exact year? Can't wait to see pics of the agitator and if you don't mind, can we have a close-up pic of the control dials? Does the panel light up?

*****Post# 27939-3/22/2003-09:01 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Seals: Pump and Transmission
MESSAGE: Bruce, what a great catch. The machines are just beautiful. Bruce, with regard to the washer probably the the belt will need replacing. If your luck holds, everything else should be o.k. All the internal hoses need inspecting too. Praying that there is no deterioration there. Mechanically, this washer should run like new. The dryer will benefit from a few squirts of turbine oil on its blower, drum and idler bearings. New belts are probably in order there too. Best of luck....what treasures!

*****Post# 27940-3/22/2003-09:15 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Seals: Pump and Transmission (belts)
MESSAGE: I agree about the belts they are probabally stiff and won't let the washer or dryer run correctly. Old machines I have worked on that had been in sotrage were very hard and kept the shape of the pulleys. My sons and I also restore old cars and the first thing we do is replace all the belts and any hoses that show any damage.

These machines are 1965'. They are the top of the line. They do have lighted consoles just behind the cycle buttons. When lit the light shines throught them. Really neat!. The washer has the Roto-Flex agitator. I will post many pics as soon as I get them.

*****Post# 27942-3/22/2003-09:42 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Suds Saver
MESSAGE: If I am correct I beleive the LK is a Suds-Saver washer. In a close-up of a pic that I have the last button on the right is the same size as the others. John L. said that if it is the same size it would have this feature. If the button was larger than the others it would not have this. I have the owners manual on this also and it shows a space on the dial between 2 of the cycles which also shows up on the pic.

An added bonus I guess.

*****Post# 27943-3/22/2003-10:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys made me go out and buy the Purex Tabs! (Gadgetmad Replies)
MESSAGE: Of course I still use the bleach & fs dispensers.

*****Post# 27944-3/22/2003-10:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: Well Bruce, not more I can say than what I've alredy said to you in emails. Bob

*****Post# 27945-3/22/2003-10:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce
Wow! What a beautiful set! I can't believe what good shape they are in. Congratulations!!! Wouldn't it be cool if the "spankalator" was aqua too?? And Peter, thanks for posting.
Rich

*****Post# 27946-3/22/2003-12:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: What a wonderful set Bruce! Thanks Peter for posting the pictures. Will look forward to further updates!

*****Post# 27947-3/22/2003-12:52 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents--Brand Consolidation??? (100% cotton)
MESSAGE: Hey there Greg....I will need to know how to get in touch with you so we can finally meet and wash! And cruise the Mart for appliances...I miss that place and I love to drive the salespeople nuts...as much fun as how Sears pushes Kenmore.
My email is NMaineMan36@aol.com and I plan on being in Omaha by 4/26. I am looking forward to finally meeting.
Mike
PS I will bring a bottle of NuSoft to you since its a New England thing..at least as far as I know. I would bring some Fleecy but I have not gone to Canada nor do I plan on it since the border is so friggin tight now that if you fart wrong they wont let you in on either side.

*****Post# 27948-3/22/2003-13:14 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce... (Nice machines!)
MESSAGE: The seller sent me the same pictures. If you didn't know that much about the machines (the mechanics) would a service guy know what needed to be done to get this up and going. I'm interested in vintage machines but not very handy. Also the seller said there was some rust on the dryer door, which had me a little concerned. Anyway the final price was way out of my budget. Good luck and enjoy!

*****Post# 27949-3/22/2003-13:46 ||| Steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The Sun's Out -- YAY!
MESSAGE: Finally, a dry day here in Georgia. As promised, I got out and took some pictures.

*****Post# 27950-3/22/2003-13:58 ||| Steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: GE with Mini Basket
MESSAGE: I got out the GE and removed the wash tub with very little problem.

It had a small leak and I was trying to see if it was the transmission boot. Unfortunately, there are some small holes in the bottom of the outer tub. If you look at the picture, between 9-10 o'clock position of te transmission boot, there are 3 small white dots. Those are the holes.

Okay, you guys, are they repairable? Is it worth the repair? The machine seems to operate okay aside from the leak.

*****Post# 27951-3/22/2003-14:11 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Kenmore Appliances Age and other Info:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I just got a copy of the page in a Salesman Friend of mine's Spec's Info Booklet. It tells you how to check the year and other info of any Kenmore Appliance. I will give the simple example here below and if someone wouldn't mind giving me a Postal Address I would be glad to make a copy of the whole page of the info I have to share with everyone else, since I don't have a Scanner or access to one at this time.

Example: 110.20722991

110 is the Sears Source Code

2 is the Product Code

0 is the Introduction Year Code

7 is the Feature Level Code

2 is the Type of Appliance Code

2 is the Color Code

9 is the Model Year Code

9 is the Decade Code

1 is the engineering Change Model Code

Remember this is only an example, but it should work for all Kenmore Appliances.
My total E-Mail Address is: SactoTeddyBear@aol.com

*****Post# 27952-3/22/2003-15:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket
MESSAGE: Steve, I get an inaccessable error message. DId you release the photos for public viewing?

*****Post# 27954-3/22/2003-15:31 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce...
MESSAGE: That would be cool if the agitator was Turquois, but with a chrome cap like the Whirlpools!.

*****Post# 27956-3/22/2003-15:38 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce would like to introduce... (Nice machines!)
MESSAGE: The seller said that there were 2 pinhole sized spots but that there were no others. I think I will just clean them and either match the paint and do touch-up or if they are small enough maybe some clear nail polish to keep them from going any further. We'll see.

As far as getting them running. Bob Worth sent me mail and said that they should be inspected of course for dried out rubber etc. but that if they were stored that well, chances are that they could be revved up right away. Hopefully.

*****Post# 27958-3/22/2003-17:32 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (GE Holes)
MESSAGE: Steve how old is that GE washer? The one that I had that developed a leak at the pump bracket was bought in 95..the last year that GE was building the cable suspension models. That washer didnt last long maybe 4 years being replaced in 99.
I also wonder if that was a trend for the GE's of that timeframe since they were being El-Cheapo with everything on the machine. And they wonder why people are going to other brands.
I did notice that you have a Fisher&Paykel Dishdrawer dishwasher. It seems like they dont last long or is that the people that have dont care for them anymore and they just get rid of them. Also the Asko dishwasher ...whats up with both of them?
Mike

*****Post# 27961-3/22/2003-19:35 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sun's Out -- YAY!
MESSAGE: You don't happen to have a Whirlpool Imperial 70 (I believe 1986 or 1985) in that mix? It had pushbutton water temp controls.

*****Post# 27963-3/22/2003-21:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (buh-bye)
MESSAGE: See ya later, bye! One for the Krusher. I'm waiting my laundromat GE's to develope outer tub holes so I can get rid of them. Save the transmission and the pump, motor and 2 speed clutch (if it is working), trash the rest and look for a better one. In fact, I could use a GE tranny now...

The F&P dish drawer was in the back of one of the appliance stores I frequent. It appears to have been the floor model from the store. It was missing parts and the hoses and wires were cut where they come out of the back of the machine.

I thought it would be fun to play with. The ASKO was found at the same store earlier this week. Same for the Kitchen aid.

I'm not sure about the year, but I believe it had 4-Doors and the Top-Left side was Convertible from Freezer to Refrigerator? I'm guessing it was about a mid to late 1960s year Model. One of our Family Friends had one and it was sure huge. It was about 36-inches Wide and about 72-inches Tall and I guessing about at least 32-inches Deep, maybe even a little Deeper. It had real neat Antique Brass Handles that were real fancy looking and if I remember correctly the Front was Wood-Grain, with Antique Brass Trim Framing the Doors. It had an Ice Maker and I think it had an Ice Water Dispenser in the "Fridge" side {upper-right area} and all of the Interior areas were pretty wide and real spacious.

*****Post# 27968-3/23/2003-01:19 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: GE Turntable Shelve Fridge and GE Drawer Dishwasher
MESSAGE: One of my Aunt's and Uncle's had a real neat older
GE Top-Freezer Refrigerator that had a center support in the "Fridge" part that had Pinkish-Colored Turntable Shelves that were even adjustable up and down. Actually the more that I think about it the Refrigerator might have been a
Lower-Freezer Unit.

They also had one of the GE Pull-Out Drawer Dishwashers with the inset Timer Control that you set it like a Thumb-Wheel rotation.

*****Post# 27969-3/23/2003-01:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re:1960s Coldspot Convertible Refrigerator:
MESSAGE: I remember these not because I was fortunate enough ever to see one, but because they were made when Sears was running their "why would (enter name of celebrity) who could afford any (enter name of appliance) in the world, chose a (Coldspot, Kenmore) from Sears? And in fact I think I have the ad for this refrigerator in a magazine somewhere.

Sounds like a great idea, but it doesn't seem to have lasted long, so I wonder what sort of real world issues there were with it.

*****Post# 27970-3/23/2003-08:29 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone?
MESSAGE: I have a GE Power Shower top load dishwasher. I have also had a GE Mobile Maid impeller wash dishwasher. Wish I still had the impeller wash machine. Mine had the Steel flat impeller. Does anyone know when GE switched over to the pump system. This Power Shower one I have I think is one of the first ones after the switch over. Model 11581101911, serial CD49434. Can anyone help date this for me . Im on the hunt for a impeller wash portable or built in to restore. Will sell or trade the power shower one for a impeller wash dishwasher. Thanks for your time. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

*****Post# 27971-3/23/2003-09:43 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sun's Out -- YAY! (Imperial 70)
MESSAGE: You mean the imperial 70 with the wood grain that runs across the top? That was the set my mother had when i was growing up, a few months ago i bought a set just like it off ebay for 50 bucks fixed it up like brand new but i sold it a few weeks ago. Great machines =)

*****Post# 27972-3/23/2003-13:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone?
MESSAGE: Michael, it could be 1966. The letter "D" in the serial signifies that year. That model # for a GE is different. Usually there is a alpha prefix such as GSD or somesuch. I take it this is a Canadian GE? I think GE switched to the pump, washarm and power tower in the early to mid 60's. At first the pump was a vertical arrangement with a reversible motor, then a bit later the horizontal pump with unidirectional motor and solenoid drain valve. This system is still used today on many models.

Another thought, is the tub blue in color? Earlier models with the metal impeller were pink.

*****Post# 27973-3/23/2003-14:45 ||| Electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (dw with impeller)
MESSAGE: How fast did this impeller rotate fast i would imagine, Were all the impeller machines gravity drain??? Can anyone direct me to a post with SQ super 20 info??? just give me the starting post number in the archive, or pics or video link would be great Thanks.

*****Post# 27975-3/23/2003-16:35 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Impeller wash or pump wash GE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thanks This one has the reversing pump. So what your telling me is it around 1966. IT has a reversing pump & blue interior. Thanks for the info. Iooking for a impeller wash dishwasher . Michael

*****Post# 27976-3/23/2003-17:08 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Speaking of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Today I found a Kenmore dishwasher-NEW! It is either from the late 60's or 70's. It has the round upper basket that spins. Don't really know how to tell age from model #, I can with washers, but if anyone knows, let me know. The couple bought it, and she decided she didn't want it, so it has sat unused all these years. Gotta love that spinning rack. Not sure where this will go-maybe for sale!

*****Post# 27977-3/23/2003-17:26 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Impeller wash or pump wash GE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: We had the impeller type GE and an impeller (bakelite) HP and also the solenoid drain later models. But I totally missed the reversable motor units. Did they use a tower system similar to the solenoid units? I'm guessing the pump system mimiced the DM units?

in response to your question about the age of the kenmore d/w, i believe the last 4 digits of the serial # denote month & year (ie.0778) would be july 1978. if not the last 4 digits, then there is a 4 digit # located after the serial #. i think kenmore had the upper roto-rack until the mid 70's. we had one in our 1967 600 series top load d/w. it washed very well for a d/w that did not have a filter. when that rack was full it spun pretty fast!

*****Post# 27979-3/23/2003-18:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy
MESSAGE: Glenn when my current roommate and I were roommates the first time in the 80s and early 90s, we had that style Whirlpool set. The cycle timer was exactly the same as this one, but the machine was standard capacity and the temps were on a knob, not buttons. It had a manual waterfall lint filter which by then was a bed of nails rather than the brush.

Being a Kenmore/WP enthusiast, I love the sounds. I could hear the wigwag doing a real LONG shift into spin. If this was a 1973-down WP/KM, you'd have that cool grind that I remember as a child.

*****Post# 27981-3/23/2003-18:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: What's also weird is this panel is the same color scheme as my old Whirly. Remember him? I only had the 3 water levels, 3 temps, and the 3 cycles. Not to mention the small tub and the one-piece Ripalator.

*****Post# 27982-3/23/2003-18:18 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: yup thats the one we had and the same one i sold. Do you guys ever notice what cycles people use when the pictures are taken, this ones on warm/warm and permanent press, whod a thunk it. ALso they must have used a different pump or something in that year, they all seem to make the same "suck, suck, suck" sound whereas others kind of go whooooooosh. Maybe im just nuts tho.

*****Post# 27983-3/23/2003-18:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: JasonL, it is a super capacity, but matched with a standard capacity dryer. I did several video clips to catch a good sample of the shift into spin, this one is the best of the lot.

notafixer, correction of the warm/warm and Perm Press combo has been attempted a couple times, to no avail.

*****Post# 27985-3/23/2003-19:46 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Glenn, what is the idea behind the extra wide curved-up Fins on the bottom of some of the Whirlpool Washer Agitators? I've never liked the looks of them and I've always thought that those Fins would catch on the Laundry and Rip everything, or items would get caught under the Fins and get pulled apart otherwise. It also seems to me that they take up a lot of room in the Tub/Basket to lessen the actual Capacity of the Washer as well.

Please let me know your info about these Agitators, I would really appreciate any and all, not only from you, but from other Club Members too.

My mom had a standard capacity Kenmore 800 and my aunt had WP Imperial something in Super Capacity.. The tub seemed like a bottomless pit compared to the small 12lb tub. And it took FOR-FRIGGIN-EVER to fill with water.

*****Post# 27987-3/23/2003-20:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: That's the super capacity Surgilator. I don't remember what my aunt's had but I think it was that. There's a standard capacity Surgilator that looks the same but without the big fins. That goes in the standard capacity washers.

*****Post# 27988-3/23/2003-20:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (standard cap dryer)
MESSAGE: I was going through Best Buy and saw a Roper pair. These are DD Whirlpool machines. The washer is actually super cap now with a dual-action. The dryer is still that tiny standard capacity drum. My GE standard cap dryer with a full load from my Frigemore is overloaded, so you know that those WP dryers with the little drum are choking on 18lbs of sopping wet laundry.

*****Post# 27989-3/23/2003-21:08 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: That agitator on the Whirlpool Imperial 70 is called the Double Duty Surgilator. Ihad that washer back in the 80's and it did ok. The idea of the upswept vanes is to "make lazy washing areas disappear". I found that it did ok but I replaced it with a standard Super Surgilator and that washed better.But the turnover was a bit slower but that wasnt an issue with me. Funny we talk about capacity and there wasnt much difference between tubs. Not like the huge Super Capacity models that came out in the 70's. with the 2.71 cu ft capacity with agitator in place. I think the other size was something like 2.1 cu ft with the agitator in place.
Mike

*****Post# 27990-3/23/2003-21:52 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: As I recall, Whirlpool called this the "Double-Duty Super Surgilator." It was used on 18-pound machines from about 1978 until the dual-action was introduced. I've never heard of any complaints of damage from the 'wings.'

*****Post# 27991-3/23/2003-23:02 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: As I was reading all these posts about "Super-Capacity" and Surgilators, I was washing in my 76 WP Supreme. Mine is a Super Capacity machine, and my agitator is exactly like the one in your machine Glenn, only for some reason mine appears to be taller than your. Now, here is the comments\questions section. 1: I have never had anything become torn with this agitator as well, it does an outstanding job as far as I'm concerned. If you feel down by the wings while it is washing, it actually does a pretty good job of shooting clothes up the wings. Anyway, on my agitator cap it reads "Super Surgilator" yet is the same one as the "Double Duty". Now here's the questions. I think Whirlpools definition of Super Capacity changed over the years, My tub appears to be taller and a little wider than yours, On the highest water level, where does the water line come up to on your Imperial?? Mine comes to the very top of the tub and past the top of the fins to the first quarter of the agitaotr cap. What is the cubic foot rating for a Super capaicty from the 70's?? My only comparison is my Mom's Maytag Dependable care is a 2.9 CF Super Capacity machine, my tub is far bigger visually. Are they somehwere around 3???

Thanks Guys
Geoff

*****Post# 27992-3/23/2003-23:07 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Re:1960s Coldspot Convertible Refrigerator:
MESSAGE: My Grandfather replaced his way kewl, but ailing late 50's bottom-freezer Hotpoint a la "Leave it to Beaver"'s new house (I used to love playing with the foot pedal for the freezer) with one o' those in 1970. It had three doors with the freezer divided into two compartments. If everyone remembers Sears' "celebrity series" (Why would thus and such celebrity, who could afford anything, buy a Kenmore?), this fridge was featured in one ad.

The top door and the refrigerator had the brass handles; the bottom freezer had a plain brushed chrome pull handle. It was shaded coppertone.

It, indeed, did have an ice maker in the freezer, and a water dispenser in the refrigerator section. I tell you guys, I was not impressed with those early ice makers and water dispensers - they had such deplorable tasting product. When Grandaddy died and we sold the house and the fridge with it 14 years later, the taste *still* had not improved. *blech*

*****Post# 27994-3/24/2003-05:38 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: I have a 75' Lady K. with the Penta Swirl Agitator and just for fun I put in a Whirlpool Double Duty Surgilator and I find the wash action to be quite good. With better turnover and more action. The Super Capacity tubs from that era are very large and they do seem to take forever to fill.

Bruce

*****Post# 27995-3/24/2003-05:40 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Impeller wash or pump wash GE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: This machine has a reversing pump. They put a smaller impeller on & enclosrd it. It pumps in one direction to feed water to the wash arm, tower & power shower on the lid. Reverse pumps the water out of the maching. Crude but effective. it sure moves the water, the spray arm has off center dimond shape holes that are larger than I have ever seen on a wash arm, The newer models I have seen have holes the size of a pencil, much smaller than these. From what I am hearing this type did not last long before the complete switch over to what is used today. Still prefer the impeller style dishwasher over the pump style. Still looking. Michael

*****Post# 27996-3/24/2003-05:40 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Impeller wash or pump wash GE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: This machine has a reversing pump. They put a smaller impeller on & enclosrd it. It pumps in one direction to feed water to the wash arm, tower & power shower on the lid. Reverse pumps the water out of the maching. Crude but effective. it sure moves the water, the spray arm has off center dimond shape holes that are larger than I have ever seen on a wash arm, The newer models I have seen have holes the size of a pencil, much smaller than these. From what I am hearing this type did not last long before the complete switch over to what is used today. Still prefer the impeller style dishwasher over the pump style. Still looking. Michael

*****Post# 27997-3/24/2003-05:45 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (Speaking of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Tell me more about this kenmore dishwasher with the roto-rack. Is it a front loader or top loader. Built in or portable. What colour is the machine and racks. Michael

*****Post# 27998-3/24/2003-08:55 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Pump noises)
MESSAGE: Anyone know why this set makes that unique sucking sound when empty and in drain mode? I theorized it was because the fins were different which caused the motor to wear differently which either slowed it down or speeded it up making the pump sound that way. I've also never understood why kenmore machines seem to operate quieter than wp's and seem to make slightly differnt sounds (from the wig-wag) maybe that had to do with the agitator as well, then of course consumer reports said km's lasted longer than wps.

Anyway the suck suck suck on that whirlpool reminds me that with each suck the drain hose would pulsate into the drain, i remember being a kid and having a friend ask if it was humping the drain and i said hey don't knock it, thats how we got the dryer.

*****Post# 27999-3/24/2003-09:11 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: That was the Super Capacity of the time. It holds 26 gallons of water and a lot more clothes than the 80's downsized Super Capacity which is about 22 gallons of water.