You "could" be wrong, though. Especially when you fail to see that expensive crude oil is used to make most of the things hemp could replace easily (and more cheaply)

Perhaps I'm being needlessly trolltastic (I'm stuck at work today) buy why is hemp oil so special? We can get oil out of any plant product. E.g. standard vegetable oil, olive oil, rapeseed/canola oil... also peanut oil, etc. What makes hemp oil better than any of those other options?

I read the wiki and I thought the part about the oil from a food standpoint was very interesting. The part about paper seemed also interesting, but in a fairly negative way. I think the potheads are probably overestimating the value of hemp in industry, personally. Yes you can make all sorts of things out of hemp. That doesn't necessarily mean that people will, or even that hemp is a good option. Besides, hemp is not marijuana so who really cares? It won't help legalize pot.

Jument:Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

I don't know about revolutionize, but per TFA we import $500 million in hemp products. That's $500 million that could be going towards domestic producers instead of being shipped out of the country.

ShawnDoc:Jument: Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

I don't know about revolutionize, but per TFA we import $500 million in hemp products. That's $500 million that could be going towards domestic producers instead of being shipped out of the country.

Yea, but where are all these hemp products? I am suspicious of this claim, because I can't think of a single hemp product I have ever encountered in my life, apart from arts and crafts from stoners at the ren faire.

IoSaturnalia:born_yesterday: When hemp takes it's rightful place in the various industrial roles it can fill, I hope that's when even non-smokers realize what a travesty it was that this plant was ever criminalized.

Fine. But do it in a state where pot is still illegal. The cannabis growers of Colorado don't need a whole bunch of industrial hemp pollen wafting in the breezes.

Licensed pot growers in CO have to be indoors.

Usually the only visible indication is you'll see an old greenhouse or industrial park outside town take down its signs and put up security lights.

ShawnDoc:Jument: Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

I don't know about revolutionize, but per TFA we import $500 million in hemp products. That's $500 million that could be going towards domestic producers instead of being shipped out of the country.

We also have a lot more arable land and a more well developed agricultural industry than many other places. Widespread cultivation of hemp in the US would likely lead to much lower prices, and thus more potential industrial uses, than imported hemp.

Skirl Hutsenreiter:IoSaturnalia: born_yesterday: When hemp takes it's rightful place in the various industrial roles it can fill, I hope that's when even non-smokers realize what a travesty it was that this plant was ever criminalized.

Fine. But do it in a state where pot is still illegal. The cannabis growers of Colorado don't need a whole bunch of industrial hemp pollen wafting in the breezes.

Licensed pot growers in CO have to be indoors.

Usually the only visible indication is you'll see an old greenhouse or industrial park outside town take down its signs and put up security lights.

And IIRC this is technically true for those growing for personal use, too.

Skirl Hutsenreiter:IoSaturnalia: born_yesterday: When hemp takes it's rightful place in the various industrial roles it can fill, I hope that's when even non-smokers realize what a travesty it was that this plant was ever criminalized.

Fine. But do it in a state where pot is still illegal. The cannabis growers of Colorado don't need a whole bunch of industrial hemp pollen wafting in the breezes.

Licensed pot growers in CO have to be indoors.

Usually the only visible indication is you'll see an old greenhouse or industrial park outside town take down its signs and put up security lights.

So who are you, the HEPA filter salesman? Or do you think these buildings are hermetically sealed away from their environment?

Intrepid00:PapaChester: This is the first sensible act of farming in centuries.

Hemp can saves America's economy.

No it can't.

It is stupid it is illegal though.

It is stupid to be legal. Hemp has the ability to devastate cannabis yields and all for what? Some fibers and oils that can all be grown more efficiently using other plants. Smart idea - lets kill the $100MM marijuana industry just so we can have few tons of fiber.

Pot just became legal. Lets now not throw it all away in our moment of triumph just so some smelly hippies can wear their hempen garments.

IoSaturnalia:Intrepid00: PapaChester: This is the first sensible act of farming in centuries.

Hemp can saves America's economy.

No it can't.

It is stupid it is illegal though.

It is stupid to be legal. Hemp has the ability to devastate cannabis yields and all for what? Some fibers and oils that can all be grown more efficiently using other plants. Smart idea - lets kill the $100MM marijuana industry just so we can have few tons of fiber.

Pot just became legal. Lets now not throw it all away in our moment of triumph just so some smelly hippies can wear their hempen garments.

wow, I have to congratulate you... that is a form of derp I have never seen before (even here). I think we have to come up with a new name for it... I think I am going to have to put some thought into that.

IoSaturnalia:Intrepid00: PapaChester: This is the first sensible act of farming in centuries.

Hemp can saves America's economy.

No it can't.

It is stupid it is illegal though.

It is stupid to be legal. Hemp has the ability to devastate cannabis yields and all for what? Some fibers and oils that can all be grown more efficiently using other plants. Smart idea - lets kill the $100MM marijuana industry just so we can have few tons of fiber.

Pot just became legal. Lets now not throw it all away in our moment of triumph just so some smelly hippies can wear their hempen garments.

The pro-legalization (for both hemp and marijuana) people need to get on the same page. Balkanization of marijuana supporters was one of the reasons the legalization vote failed in CA - there were growers fighting against the bill to legalize because they were afraid larger agricultural concerns would push them out of the market, so we ended up with a situation where petty greed and infighting amongst supporters of pot made it so that nobody got legal marijuana.

It needs to stop, and people need to realize that priority 1 is making it legal, and then once it is, working out the details of how the growers will be managed and minor logistics like how to deal with hemp pollen.

Jument:born_yesterday: When hemp takes it's rightful place in the various industrial roles it can fill, I hope that's when even non-smokers realize what a travesty it was that this plant was ever criminalized.

Yay, better rope for everyone!

Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

How about just as good, with less water needed, less acerage needed, and less damage done to the soil?

HindiDiscoMonster:wow, I have to congratulate you... that is a form of derp I have never seen before (even here). I think we have to come up with a new name for it... I think I am going to have to put some thought into that.

Thanks. It's a fun position to stake out and defend - that of the anti-hemp stoner.

Ultimately, it's the hypocracy surrounding both hemp and medical MJ that gets me fired up about this issue. People just need to admit that they like to get high and quit trying to back door it in on unjustifed claims for pot's efficacy as either a wonder drug or a super plant.

IoSaturnalia:HindiDiscoMonster: wow, I have to congratulate you... that is a form of derp I have never seen before (even here). I think we have to come up with a new name for it... I think I am going to have to put some thought into that.

Thanks. It's a fun position to stake out and defend - that of the anti-hemp stoner.

Ultimately, it's the hypocracy surrounding both hemp and medical MJ that gets me fired up about this issue. People just need to admit that they like to get high and quit trying to back door it in on unjustifed claims for pot's efficacy as either a wonder drug or a super plant.

aaah you actually believe that everyone who is pro-hemp is just a pothead in disguise then. I guess it's good it was outlawed then... after all, the world prior to the 1930s must have all been stoners too... every sailor, every hemp farmer, every paper maker using hemp... wow, that's quite a few stoners.

HindiDiscoMonster:IoSaturnalia: HindiDiscoMonster: wow, I have to congratulate you... that is a form of derp I have never seen before (even here). I think we have to come up with a new name for it... I think I am going to have to put some thought into that.

Thanks. It's a fun position to stake out and defend - that of the anti-hemp stoner.

Ultimately, it's the hypocracy surrounding both hemp and medical MJ that gets me fired up about this issue. People just need to admit that they like to get high and quit trying to back door it in on unjustifed claims for pot's efficacy as either a wonder drug or a super plant.

aaah you actually believe that everyone who is pro-hemp is just a pothead in disguise then. I guess it's good it was outlawed then... after all, the world prior to the 1930s must have all been stoners too... every sailor, every hemp farmer, every paper maker using hemp... wow, that's quite a few stoners.

Now you're just being obtuse. Back in the 1930s and before, hemp was actually needed for cordage. We have things called 'polymers' now that render hemp fibers obsolete.

Hemp was just a red herring for 90% of its proponents during this current legalization push. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy.

TuteTibiImperes:ShawnDoc: Jument: Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

I don't know about revolutionize, but per TFA we import $500 million in hemp products. That's $500 million that could be going towards domestic producers instead of being shipped out of the country.

We also have a lot more arable land and a more well developed agricultural industry than many other places. Widespread cultivation of hemp in the US would likely lead to much lower prices, and thus more potential industrial uses, than imported hemp.

IoSaturnalia:HindiDiscoMonster: IoSaturnalia: HindiDiscoMonster: wow, I have to congratulate you... that is a form of derp I have never seen before (even here). I think we have to come up with a new name for it... I think I am going to have to put some thought into that.

Thanks. It's a fun position to stake out and defend - that of the anti-hemp stoner.

Ultimately, it's the hypocracy surrounding both hemp and medical MJ that gets me fired up about this issue. People just need to admit that they like to get high and quit trying to back door it in on unjustifed claims for pot's efficacy as either a wonder drug or a super plant.

aaah you actually believe that everyone who is pro-hemp is just a pothead in disguise then. I guess it's good it was outlawed then... after all, the world prior to the 1930s must have all been stoners too... every sailor, every hemp farmer, every paper maker using hemp... wow, that's quite a few stoners.

Now you're just being obtuse. Back in the 1930s and before, hemp was actually needed for cordage. We have things called 'polymers' now that render hemp fibers obsolete.

Hemp was just a red herring for 90% of its proponents during this current legalization push. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy.

unless you can tell me what number i am thinking of right now, then i doubt your ability to read other people's minds to know their motivations.

potterydove:TuteTibiImperes: ShawnDoc: Jument: Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

I don't know about revolutionize, but per TFA we import $500 million in hemp products. That's $500 million that could be going towards domestic producers instead of being shipped out of the country.

We also have a lot more arable land and a more well developed agricultural industry than many other places. Widespread cultivation of hemp in the US would likely lead to much lower prices, and thus more potential industrial uses, than imported hemp.

noitsnot:Yea, but where are all these hemp products? I am suspicious of this claim, because I can't think of a single hemp product I have ever encountered in my life, apart from arts and crafts from stoners at the ren faire.

Then there was the first mate. Now I gotta tell ya bout the first mate.Anyways this fella' he been down in Mexico. He been workin' in this rope factory down in Mexico. Down in Mexico they make rope outta this funny little hemp plant that grows wild in the ground (some of you people... grow it in flower pots under your bed)...ehh, anyways, he's down there and he's...he's makin' rope outta this funny marijuana plant. One day the rope factory, she catch fire n' he runs back on in to save his lunch - he's got two sardine sandwiches - runnin' back on in to save his lunch. He gets inside n' there's all this funny smoke floatin' around up inside n'...he gets some of this funny smoke up inside his head n'...he sit down in the middle o' de' fire n' he say,

Jument:Seriously, are there any actual products that hemp will really and truly revolutionize? We have access to a lot of excellent natural and artificial materials these days. Can you name a few where hemp will make something that's far and away superior to everything available right now?

Oh no what about the precious snowflakes, their heads will explode from the confusion of hemp and marijuana. We can not keep sending the mixed msg to our precious snowflakes that hemp is useful and marijuana can be used respectfully.

noitsnot:If hemp is of any use, why isn't there a wide array of products available made from hemp grown in other countries (where it's legal to do so)?

I think hemp is basically not useful.

There are, there are clothes made of hemp available in the US, we import hemp seed for soaps, lotions, and all kinds of personal hygiene products. Ropes are still made of hemp used in ship yards, sails are still made of hemp, bird feed uses hemp and even bread from hemp seed is available. Maybe you should look first instead of posting, but I am sure your head will explode if you did.

pmdgrwr:noitsnot: If hemp is of any use, why isn't there a wide array of products available made from hemp grown in other countries (where it's legal to do so)?

I think hemp is basically not useful.

There are, there are clothes made of hemp available in the US, we import hemp seed for soaps, lotions, and all kinds of personal hygiene products. Ropes are still made of hemp used in ship yards, sails are still made of hemp, bird feed uses hemp and even bread from hemp seed is available. Maybe you should look first instead of posting, but I am sure your head will explode if you did.

I have looked. I don't see anything. Clothes are made from cotton and wool and synthetics. Rope is made from jute and sisal and synthetics. Rope's not made from hemp anymore, especially for nautical use, because it shrinks too much when it gets wet. This makes knots impossible to get loose. It's not used for sails either - just google that.

If there was a compelling case for using hemp for anything, then it would be happening. It's not happening.