Good question. What incentive do some of them have to do so though when they have AA?

It's clearly not a question of genetics because there are plenty of brilliant African-Americans out there who worked their ass off to get where they are. Everyone wants a handout.

And it's not a question of poverty because Asian-American students in poverty do better on math tests than some of their richer white counterparts. It's a question of effort, and decades of affirmative action have ruined the drive to succeed in African-American communities.

Without referencing any stats, I'd be willing to be that it's not that blacks aren't working hard enough in UG, but rather much like the "girls and science & math" campaigns that were big in the 90's, that there's not a big enough push, presence, whatever, to encourage all minority kids to work hard towards a professional degree, starting by pushing them and motivating them in middle school & high school to go to UG in the first place.

I would bet that you're wrong. How else can you explain the fact that the average black GPA is so much lower than the average white/asian gpa? Even at the same universities.

I would bet that you're wrong. How else can you explain the fact that the average black GPA is so much lower than the average white/asian gpa? Even at the same universities.

This is what I'm talking about. If somebody can't get into college at all, that's a problem, but it's a topic for a different discussion.

In my experience, getting a high GPA in college is mostly about hard work. If someone has a low GPA, I don't assume they're dumb--I assume they didn't work very hard. The LSAT is not much different. My initial scores were pretty bad, but I spent months working on the test and managed a decent score.

Hmm, Beauchamp, I wonder what their[race-based AA supporters] proposed solution is for the low GPA and inability to find jobs with the 2.2's, etc. OH, wait, I know. Affirmative action in the workplace. We already have that and it's a resounding success.