It is telling that the first sinful result of the first sin committed in the Garden would be Eve's (representing all women to come)"desire for her husband". A more literal translation of the text reads "desire to rule over" her husband.

Have you noticed that both life in corporate America (especially HR departments), and the outputs (rules, regulations) of our political class, started its recent decline, not over yet, simultaneously with women getting into more positions of power in both institutions? I suppose I could throw Academia in there too.

Now, correlation does not guarantee causality, but it should recommend some careful analysis.

If you respond to me at all, Aha! You fell into my trap. Refusing to respond to me is itself a response so Aha! * bounce* Aha! You fell into my trap.

So what is the difference between a vulva and a vagina anyway?

No wait, don't tell me. There are some things I guess I just don't want to know. There are words for every little thing down there, words for every little aspect of every little thing down there. So if I were to ever encounter a crossword puzzle where the human bodily nether region is the theme, words and phrases for aspects of the things found in the lower central human crack, female and male, dangling or tucked in, or flapping, hanging, sagging, veining, fuzzing up, engorging and all that, specific medical words for all that, then I would be satisfied to not be able to solve that imaginary puzzle.

Ann, you have to forgive us men. The understanding of the power of the Vagina goes back to the Epic of Gilgamesh, in which Gilgamesh sapped the strength of Enkidu with the power of a harlot's vagina:

Shamhat unclutched her bosom, exposed her sex, and he took in her voluptuousness.She was not restrained, but took his energy.She spread out her robe and he lay upon her,she performed for the primitive the task of womankind.His lust groaned over her;for six days and seven nights Enkidu stayed aroused,and had intercourse with the harlotuntil he was sated with her charms.

. . .

Enkidu ... his utterly depleted(?) body,his knees that wanted to go off with his animals went rigid;Enkidu was diminished, his running was not as before."

There is no misunderstanding that a vagina is a powerful thing. Men full of energy, and passion are trapped by its wiles, only to find themselves flaccid and weak upon withdrawing. The vagina saps the strength of man, his lust and passion.

No wonder men don't want this power word thrown at them in the state house.

I love the Vagina Monologue, not because of any aesthetic value it may offer (let's be honest it's piece of shit) but because, much like bumper stickers, the mere fact that a woman thinks it's intelligent is one hell of a red flag.

When the item about the ten legged crab found in the Roman sewer got to the part about how they noticed them where the line breaks open at the surface, how when you kneel down at the crack and peer into that gaping gash at the surface, the wound in the pipe that cannot not be healed, and peer into the darkness of the hole, then you can see the crabs crawling around in there and then the article called the ancient sewer line cloaca maxima and I cracked up laughing so hard I tossed the laptop. I was not expecting that.

That is one of my mostest favoritest words! That's not ever used on the Senate floor either come to think of it, what is it, banned over there?

"Brown sparked the controversy when she said Wednesday: "I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but no means no" -- a statement that opponents have called vulgar, unnecessarily provocative and an unfair reference to rape during a debate on bills about abortion.""***"When will the speaking ban end?

"I have no idea. I have never even heard officially why I can't speak," Brown said."***""No one is throwing these words around (in the Legislature) without a rational context. If these men can't handle the debate about women's bodies, they shouldn't be taking away our rights" to abortion access, Whitmer said."

Apparently it was the inappropriate, unfair, and insulting rape inference, and not the word vagina.

Imagine if a Republican, of either gender, had made a joking allusion to rape by saying "No means no," in the course of a debate on abortion.

In the last 48 hours, the Detroit Free Press has devoted about four times the column-space to this phony controversy than the financial collapse of the City of Detroit. Granted; there's been a lot of coverage about the Detroit budget crisis before the last couple of days. But the Michigan Democrats (and their daily newsletter that goes by the name of the Detroit Free Press) have done everything they can to accessorize this wholly-manufactured contorversy.

Meanwhile, here's the really funny thing; there is a Wisconsin quality to all of this inasmuch as all Democrat efforts appear to be devoted to the heat and fire of outrage, completely forgetting about the legislation and the policy at hand. This debate occurred during debate on a package of bills that nibble around the edges of the abortion issue; increased malpractice insurance limits for abortion providers, some "anti-coercion" provisions, criminalization of abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, increased licensing requirments for abortion providers, prohibitions on "webcam" abortions where abortifactants are prescribed remotely, and requirements that aborted fetuses by buried or cremated.

All of that detail has been pushed off the front pages. Instead, everyone is talking about the word "vagina."

But I'm not sure I'm saying cloaca right myself. First I must ask an expert about this, a biologist who would know how to pronounce these words. I'm saying it like clow as in snow aka. Is that right? Because that would be a bummer to launch a [movement] and get the word wrong from the start.

vagina -ae f. 1. The sheath (or a sword or sim.), scabbard. b. (applied to other protective cases) 2. (transf.) A natural structure resembling a sheath; (esp. applied to the leaf-sheath that encloses an ear of corn before it emerges).

Phil, yes it is that. It is what you said. But it is so much more than that too. It is whence the precious eggs emerge. Eggs, Phil, life-giving eggs!

I understand that's why the eggs have to be thoroughly washed off before consumption, and I mean thoroughly, except for fish eggs because all that happens in water already and they're small and stuck together.

Why are the democrat pro-abortion females being asked to stop talking? I suspect they have already used up their allotted time, but I cannot tell from the article. All I gather is that yet again, the democrat females are victims.

Thanks for this,rh,"A natural structure resembling a sheath; (esp. applied to the leaf-sheath that encloses an ear of corn before it emerges)"

I just got the corn seed dealers invite to the 'knowledge plot academy', and instead of going for the "delicious pork chop dinner and fun giveaway items" I'm going to go to ask the guys, "show me the vaginas"....

Phil, yes! That is why I admire chickens so much. It's why I am for legislation to improve their conditions. Chickens are not just egg pooping machines, they have rights. To rationally discuss chicken rights we must openly use the word cloaca and not let poopy pants mutli-hole having Republicans discuss the matter by restricting our language. cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca cloaca .

"I may also from time to time be struck not by the rightness but by the dumb fortune, or irony, of certain placements of the parts and features of the body, as Yeats was, for example, by love's having pitched its mansion in the place of excrement...Certainly any changes I can dream up in the arrangement strike me as quite insane."

A vagina has its own cleansing mechanism, all the references to sewers is getting a bit sick. That vagina was the tube in which your big fat baby heads travelled through to get into the world, show some respect.

"Have you noticed that both life in corporate America (especially HR departments), and the outputs (rules, regulations) of our political class, started its recent decline, not over yet, simultaneously with women getting into more positions of power in both institutions?"

Yes I have and here's what I see as the decline's instigators:

1- woman on woman back scratching/favoritism and its inseparable obverse, woman on woman gutting;

2- endless dramatics fostered by an abundance of women in an hierarchical organization.

Women are necessary in any hierarchical organization, indeed, any organization, yet, when they get in roles unsuited (e.g., line infantry) or numbers too many (probably indeterminate until past the time exceeded), an organization disorganizes. Men in roles unsuited and numbers too many has the same effect but in different ways. Ditto queers of both kinds.

It may be best seen as a matter of orthogenesis by any element of a system. Many women, and especially queer women, have been pushing their own orthogenesis for decades. It's destructive.

The Michigan House of Representatives was just wrapping up a session before an extended summer recess. Reps. Brown and Byrum had both had their opportunity to speak on the abortion bills on the second-to-last day.

On the final day of the session, the Republican leader told the Democratic leader, as a courtesy, that he had decided to not call on Brown and Byrum to speak on the last day, given the previous day's fireworks. (Another Democrat had been sanctioned by the whole House just a couple of weeks earlier. Rep. Jorge Sanatana, D-Detroit, had gotten into repeated physical confrontations with other Democrats such that his own leader had asked the Republican House leadership to remove Santana from his committee assignments.)

The courtesy was that instead of letting the two Reps just sit all session, they could go on to other personal matters. The "not calling on opposition to speak" tactic had been regularly applied to Republicans back when the chamber had been controlled by Democrats.

This is all much ado about nothing; but the story is acutally made EVEN MORE BANAL by the left-leaning media that wishes to simply shoehorn the story into the 'Repuboican War on Women' meme.

Tame it! Take it on headfirst with the skills that I will teach you at work and say no!...You will not control me! No!...You will not take my soul! No!...You will not win this game! 'Cause it is a game, guys. You want to think it's not, huh? You want to think it's not? You go back to the schoolyard and you have that crush on big-titted Mary Jane. Respect the cock. You are embedding this thought. I am the one who's in charge. I am the one who says Yes!...No!...Now!...Here!... And it's universal, man. It is evolutional. It is anthropological. It is biological. It is animal. We...are...men! (simulating sexual thrusting)

...Let me tell you what we're gonna teach Denise when we put our calendars to work and we set goals. What I say is, 'Denise...' 'Denise the Piece.' I mark it down. I write it up. And you have been warned. Because I have my lasers. I have my Tasers, I have my ICBMs. I have my bazookas, I have my jets pointed right at you. Because me and my brothers, we like to celebrate. And on the first of May, we celebrate V-Day. And come June, oh-ho baby, it is the lick of my spoon. Come August, we like to celebrate Saint Suck My Big Fat F--king Sausage!

I set goals for myself and when I say I do not want to take it anymore. I will not take it anymore. Do you think she's your friend, Geoff? You come here and you think she's your friend. They're not your friends. Do you really think that she's gonna be there when things go bad? Huh, guys? When things go wrong, do you think they're gonna be there for us? Oh-ho. You think again. Oh, f--king Denise, Denise the piece. You're gonna give me that cherry pie, sweet mama baby.

Oh yeah, but listen up. That is not to say that we don't all need females just as friends, 'cause we're gonna learn later in Chapter 23 that havin' a couple of chick friends lyin' around, come in real handy in setting jealousy traps. We'll get to that later.

"A vagina has its own cleansing mechanism, all the references to sewers is getting a bit sick. That vagina was the tube in which your big fat baby heads travelled through to get into the world, show some respect."

"A vagina has its own cleansing mechanism, all the references to sewers is getting a bit sick. That vagina was the tube in which your big fat baby heads travelled through to get into the world, show some respect."

The most feminine part of a woman's body has always been my favorite part of a woman's body but the vagina monologues invites disrespect.

"A vagina has its own cleansing mechanism, all the references to sewers is getting a bit sick. That vagina was the tube in which your big fat baby heads travelled through to get into the world, show some respect.

Those here looking for the vulva need go no farther (further?) than Judy Chicago's "The Dinner Party" in which admiring critics/feministas have lionized her for "literally" putting "...the vulva on societies plate. And not in a hidden way." One critic going so far as to say Chicago "invites society to 'eat' of their vulva, of their womanhood." And further, for society in this figurative way "to 'nourish' itself with the profound achievements wrought by women."

Calling Christopher@ 12:02. Be sure to add Judy Chicago and The Dinner Party as yet another (OH-soooo-very valid) Red Flag test, lol..

-- When men say stupid things, men tend to treat them dismissively and with extreme prejudice. If women want to be treated the same way as men, then they should expect to be insulted and dismissed in the same way the man would dismiss an idiot man. I'm not vulgar, so I wouldn't imply the woman was trying to rape me, but apparently, since the woman in question thought implying men wanted to rape her was intelligent discussion, if a man is of equal vulgarity to her, I can see him being, ah, dismissive.

Don't want people to be jerks to you? Don't accuse them of wanting to rape you.

"Why denigrate the human vagina? Don't your mothers, sisters and daughters have them too? Don't conservative women have them too?"

-- Eh, people throw around dick head, prick and I'm sure there are other vulgar terms for penises I don't know off the top of my head. Again, it would be ideal if people didn't use salty language at all, but the woman who is crying foul *was implying that the men she was insulting wanted to rape her.* Hence, "no means no." I can't really feel a lot of sympathy for her if people pile on after that.

Matthew: When men say stupid things, men tend to treat them dismissively and with extreme prejudice. If women want to be treated the same way as men, then they should expect to be insulted and dismissed in the same way the man would dismiss an idiot man. I'm not vulgar, so I wouldn't imply the woman was trying to rape me, but apparently, since the woman in question thought implying men wanted to rape her was intelligent discussion

The idiot woman was sanctioned b/c accusing men of wanting to rape here was in violation of house decorum. But since she used the word "vagina" in her tantrum, all the feminazi's are clutching their pearls and pretending she was banned for saying vagina.

There are already several instances on record where someone on the House floor used the word "vagina" in appropriate context. None of them were banned.

But apparently, there are alot of stupid women out there who get the vapors over this.

So Allie Oop asks why we denigrate the human vagina. And I say to myself, that's not fair, sometimes I denigrate the monkey vagina or the walrus vagina. And then of course I have to google "monkey vagina" (oh no!) and I got this.

Now you might ask, and I'm sure Allie will ask, why men do not have the proper respectful tone when it comes to the human vagina. Which, as she pointed out, gave birth to us! And the answer, I think, is that the vagina is an absolute blast, way fun, the bomb--you gay guys really ought to check it out--but because it's so much fun, so mind-blowing cool, so amazing, we find ourselves doing all sorts of shit to impress the owners of the vagina. In fact in my more romantic moments I might even suggest that it's not the vagina per se but really the whole package. Or at least a lot of different parts, working in harmony. Eyes, legs, boobies, etc. You can tell Picasso is an influence. Anyway, this amazing human we call woman--and some of us object to reducing said creature to "vagina," although of course that is a fun spot to visit--is so amazing and cool that we have a fear that she is manipulating us to do stuff that we wouldn't normally do. And so while we are quite fond of our former home--technically the uterus, which has also been mentioned on this thread, but we tend to lump 'em all together, vagina-uterus-home, and we want back in there. But there is also doubt. Ambivalence! And I think it's because of all the manipulation that goes along with vagina-love. Also you shrink our penis! On the other hand, you enlarge it, too. Up and down, up and down. And of course that is the male identity, we've been handling it since we were a small child--you know we pee out of it, right Allie? Don't get all goo-goo romantic on the penis. There's definitely a sewer-penis correlation. It's a cause and effect relationship. Unlike the vagina which has nothing to do with urine at all. Way cleaner. Way cleaner! Although kind of fishy, as has also been pointed on this thread. And while I like that smell a lot, in my experience women don't really want to hear about it. And, in a word, ambivalence. Freud stuff. Yes. That's pretty much what I want to say, on this, the vagina thread.

What kills me is that these feminist think that "vagina" is some universal term created by God to describe female genitalia. They always says "just say vagina that's what it is!" No it is not, it's female genitalia, and vagina is just a word, and it's only one word in a million to describe female genitalia. They should get over themselves they are the greatest bigots in the world. They are "vagina supremacists." It's all they are concerned with--it's extremely shallow and certainly not diverse, since all males are excluded from the elite bigoted club.

The Vagina Monologues!...Say it slowly..Va...GI...Na...! Sounds like a bad chinese accent(don't start about chinese vaginas)

Okay, now we're talking about a part of the womans body that gets yeast infections. And to cure those infections you can buy products like Monostat 11. 11 becomes that's how many days it takes to cure the infection. But they also have MOnostat 7. 7 for the same reason. HUH? It's also available in 3?!? I have one question, WHY???!!!

Why would any sane person chose 11 over 7, let alone 3? It's because as stated on "The Big Band Theory" bitches be crazy.

Friday, setting the tables for my prents 55th anniversay, my sister, Mom, and my nephew, and I, got into a row about table arranging. My nephew and I set up the tables in rows across the floor, and started to set up the food table against the wall. Mom and Sis both said "No! Don't put that there." So we said well figure out where to place it then. So they dragged tables and chairs around into various configurations for 15 minutes until they returned to our original setup, with the food table against the wall. I refused to have anymore to do with arranging.

I say this with love in my heart for all women, the craziest man is more logical than the sanest woman. I love women, I got 3 living wiht me right now. But my wife, the smartest of us all by IQ standards just cannot be logical about somethings. This is not a bug, it's a feature. Just admit it, and all this battle of the sexes goes away. I don't want to be married to Mr.Spock. I love how she takes in every stray she finds. How she still cries about her grandparents being dead after 10 years. All the stuff I can't do.(putting up with me).

I gave up control to my wife a long time ago Bagoh. Told her she was the boss. Until I say she ain't the boss no more. Had to do it a few times. Seems to work for us though.

The thing is, she knows she can utterly destroy me with a word. She is my light, the reason I don't commit suicide, or go on a killing spree. I wake up to find an angel in my arms every morning. How can a man fall with that kind of support?

Andy? Give it a rest. Be strident some other time. Just relax for once in your life. The world ain't gonna end because some woman is being punished for being rude. The Society For The Perpetually Aggreived can take one day off.

I don't think she would like people to speak on those terms. It would surely harsh her mellow if forced to confront reality.

Anyway, these women's obsession with their vagina is unhealthy. Its primary purpose is realized during procreation and as an incidental but motivational center of pleasure for a couple engaged in the principal evolutionary function.

Hilarious. Perhaps some humanoids are little more than the sum of their parts. Well, sometimes they are and other times they are not. They are selective with an odd sense of contextual appropriateness.

"You realize it's the women who are being prevented from speaking? By a group of mostly men?"

-- There was no uproar when the majority was the opposite party and it was a group of mostly men keeping men from speaking. Maybe Republicans just need to have women go out whenever we need to criticize female members of the opposition so as to prevent cries of gender bias.

Oh wait, then the left tells us that conservative women are just Dick Cheney in a skirt and not real women.

You've constructed such a well-designed set of rules that everything is sexist and the only thing that wouldn't be sexist is still sexist by de-sexing conservative women and denying them both agency and their gender identity.

Fen: More apt - "I need sex so bad I'm willing to kill for it" We need a word stronger than Slut to define this selfish mentality.

Leslyn: I always thought that word was "rapist" not "slut."

You misunderstand. Women know that intercourse carries the risk of impregnation that they will kill. They also know that birth control is not 100% effective and can result in the creation of a fetus they will kill.

And yet the choose to take that risk anyway. With full knowledge that one night of pleasure may result in the death of a human.