So if you wanna cut the blame game , I give it a 50 / 50 both sides are at fault

That is pretty amazing how you can take a complex issue and get it down to a clear 50/50 wrongdoing allotment. But lets take your ruler and run with it. We are funding one side and not the other. We are reporting all the bad things one side does and not the other. We are allowing one side to steal land from the other.

Why are we supporting, arming, and enabling one side and not the other if the atrocities are 50/50?

Look at the conditions inside the Gaza strip then look at the conditions outside the checkpoint. Look at where Israelis live and where Palestinians live. How you get 50/50 out of that is beyond me.

Poly the crime is murder thats what the crime is the numbers are another matter

Both sides committed murder = 50 / 50 - The numbers are for a court matter as to how many counts of murder to bring to justice - providing the 1417 is accurate and verified with autopsies via 3rd party investigators and not just wild claims , same with the 3

No that's factually incorrect although it happens that firing is allowed if your land is being taken away.

Your wrong again - simply there are many peaceful ways to exhaust first .Another reason why your wrong , if you were correct then explain why Hamas is being charged with war crimes ? ?

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No we can't actually, we only go back to the instruments of international law.

You mean back to the resolution that the Arabs rejected which is part of the disputed lands that they themselves rejected before ?

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Oh that would be convenient wouldn't it if there were a limitation period for war crimes... for your information war crimes are never too old to mention and prosecuting them is not stupid or silly - they remain indictable for ever. You wouln't like it if you were a concentration camp victim in WWII and then someone came along as said everything is just fine and dandy because it all happened such long time ago - so don't start trying to say it's alright for Palestinian victims just because they're Arabs.

That is an insane analogy - Look at Japan , Germany and Italy , if we had shiit for brains we would still be in war . You have to move on through peaceful ways

Gaza and Israel is a fine example of living in the past , a eye for an eye mentality .

There's more than one dynamic here, carp. I agree with you that murder is murder, and in that narrow context, the numbers are almost irrelevant. The fact is, the Israelis never have and never will believe in a fair fight (for that matter, no one involved in a conflict wants a fair fight — they want the biggest advantage they can get).

But in the broader context, the land grabs, the oppression, and the treatment that the Israelis are handing out is overkill.

Hamas and Hezbollah are as guilty as the Israelis in terms of armed aggression. The problem is that the Israelis — in the process of eradicating anything resembling a fair fight — have gone way too far. So the 50/50 only holds so much water.

Er, no... for about the fourth time murder requires knowledge of a virtual certainty of death or serious harm... the Israelis had it because they rounded people up and shot them dead whereas Hamas didn't because they fired rockets onto their own land with little or no chance of anyone being killed or harmed. I'm sorry to point this out but my students who are quite young understood it straight away and even here at the forum you're the only one who doesn't get it.

There's more than one dynamic here, carp. I agree with you that murder is murder, and in that narrow context, the numbers are almost irrelevant.

Exactly in the narrow context of the crime is murder it does not make 1417 murders more or less painful then say only 3 murders . Both sides murdered people , like I mentioned both sides committed the crime of murder the numbers does not change in anyway the definition of murder

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murder |&#712;m&#601;rd&#601;r|nounthe unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another : the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer | he was put on trial for attempted murder. See note at kill .• informal a very difficult or unpleasant task or experience : my first job at the steel mill was murder.• informal something causing great discomfort to a part of the body : that exercise is murder on the lumbar regions.

Now notice when you read the definition of the word it MAKES no distinction of numbers at all . More or less murders does not change the definition , crime of murder

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But in the broader context, the land grabs, the oppression, and the treatment that the Israelis are handing out is overkill.

I completely agree really heavy handed - Also don't forget that Hamas was using civilians as human shields such as firing rockets from apartment buildings and schools so those counts should be at the hands of Hamas

Er, no... for about the fourth time murder requires knowledge of a virtual certainty of death or serious harm... the Israelis had it because they rounded people up and shot them dead whereas Hamas didn't because they fired rockets onto their own land with little or no chance of anyone being killed or harmed. I'm sorry to point this out but my students who are quite young understood it straight away and even here at the forum you're the only one who doesn't get it.

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LOL - thats got to be the - ahhhhh never mind I won't call you names

Prove it , got any links to where Israel rounded up people and gun them down in the streets ?

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straight away and even here at the forum you're the only one who doesn't get it.

We're on the same page in that there's plenty of blame to go around — though there are some that can only see the conflict in mono-vision. But if were to place the human rights abuses on a scale, Israel would probably be the fatty in the room.

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