You guys might be surprised to learn that some of Daniel's biggest early supporters in the 80s were "punk/hc kids". I saw Minor Threat 2 or 3 times including once with The Big Boys. Also saw Black Flag, The Minutemen, The Dils, The Urinals and most of the other early 80s California bands that toured. When Daniel moved to Austin in the mid 80s The Big Boys were winding down but he became a big fan of their spin-off band Poison 13.