what_now:Boojum2k: what_now: Seriously. " I don't think women should be allowed to attend the same schools as men, because some domestic violence statistics are inaccurate".

But I'm the bad guy.

Only because you added two and two and got potato.Seriously, as noted, pretty much everyone knows domestic violence is bad. If a group has to lie and use a myth to "spread awareness" of a topic, they are making it worse, not better.

what_now:Boojum2k: what_now: Seriously. " I don't think women should be allowed to attend the same schools as men, because some domestic violence statistics are inaccurate".

But I'm the bad guy.

Only because you added two and two and got potato.Seriously, as noted, pretty much everyone knows domestic violence is bad. If a group has to lie and use a myth to "spread awareness" of a topic, they are making it worse, not better.

what_now:Boojum2k: what_now: Seriously. " I don't think women should be allowed to attend the same schools as men, because some domestic violence statistics are inaccurate".

But I'm the bad guy.

Only because you added two and two and got potato.Seriously, as noted, pretty much everyone knows domestic violence is bad. If a group has to lie and use a myth to "spread awareness" of a topic, they are making it worse, not better.

He equated lying domestic violence awareness campaign with feminism. Which is the dark side of feminism I suppose, the recognition that women can be just as venal and corrupt as any man. He might still be an asshole, but not just because of his statement.

UNC_Samurai:The only violence I want to see is towards the CBS and NFL people that shoehorn all the worthless extra stuff into the pregame. Just take 30 minutes, tell us what to look for in the game, AND THEN PLAY IT. I have less than zero need to hear celebrity interviews, talentless hacks playing God Bless America, a national anthem that takes more than two minutes because the producer and singer wouldn't recognize 3/4 time if their lives depended on it, hype over commercials that are completely lame because we've seen both way better and more shocking on Youtube, or the 6000th reference to the coaches being brothers. You have just about ruined the game for people in pursuit of the same mouth-breathers that dictate the shiatty Olympics coverage.

The conference championships are better football to watch at this point.

Boojum2k:Rug Doctor: As with AIDS and breast cancer, everyone with a functional IQ is aware that domestic violence is a problem. I'm immediately suspicious of any campaign that "raises awareness" of anything -- I think they're collecting money first and considering the problem second.

Nope. Collect money first. Give large percentage of money to couple of people "running" the campaign. Rest of money goes to next campaign to bring in money. Wash, rinse, repeat. Awareness campaigns are bigger scams than organized religion, but only by a hair.

Money and time would be better spent donated to local women's shelter and the like.

Rug Doctor:As with AIDS and breast cancer, everyone with a functional IQ is aware that domestic violence is a problem. I'm immediately suspicious of any campaign that "raises awareness" of anything -- I think they're collecting money first and considering the problem second.

pxlboy:Boojum2k: Rug Doctor: As with AIDS and breast cancer, everyone with a functional IQ is aware that domestic violence is a problem. I'm immediately suspicious of any campaign that "raises awareness" of anything -- I think they're collecting money first and considering the problem second.

Nope. Collect money first. Give large percentage of money to couple of people "running" the campaign. Rest of money goes to next campaign to bring in money. Wash, rinse, repeat. Awareness campaigns are bigger scams than organized religion, but only by a hair.

Money and time would be better spent donated to local women's shelter and the like.

what_now:He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

equality of the sexes is what everyone believes. gender feminists as defined by cristina hoff sommers in her book "Who Stole Feminism" believe in portaying women as victims in order to get special legal privileges (like VAWA, dear college letter of tittle IX, or laws concerning the pay gap myth) over men.

GF named my left testicle thundercles:what_now: He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

equality of the sexes is what everyone believes. gender feminists as defined by cristina hoff sommers in her book "Who Stole Feminism" believe in portaying women as victims in order to get special legal privileges (like VAWA, dear college letter of tittle IX, or laws concerning the pay gap myth) over men.

Title IX states college must spend the same amount on women's and men's sports.

How is that special legal privileges?

The Violence Against Women act is designed to coordinate resources to preventing and prosecuting domestic violence. And the " myth" of the pay gap is reality to everyone who isn't a fool.

But please. Do go on. Keep talking about how beating women isn't as bad as some silly broads make it out to be.

what_now:He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

Well perhaps the issue here is one of definition. When you hear the term "feminism", you are thinking of the definition above. But when many other people use the term, they are not referring to the abstract idea of gender equality, but more specifically to the women's rights political movement (probably in the contemporary United States).

I suspect this latter definition is actually the one in more common use. (I cannot think of any other reason why only 25%-30% of American women would identify as "feminist", as the very substantial majority surely believe in political and legal equality.)

Boojum2k: Rug Doctor: As with AIDS and breast cancer, everyone with a functional IQ is aware that domestic violence is a problem. I'm immediately suspicious of any campaign that "raises awareness" of anything -- I think they're collecting money first and considering the problem second.

Nope. Collect money first. Give large percentage of money to couple of people "running" the campaign. Rest of money goes to next campaign to bring in money. Wash, rinse, repeat. Awareness campaigns are bigger scams than organized religion, but only by a hair.

Money and time would be better spent donated to local women's shelter and the like.

Virtue:Boojum2k: Rug Doctor: As with AIDS and breast cancer, everyone with a functional IQ is aware that domestic violence is a problem. I'm immediately suspicious of any campaign that "raises awareness" of anything -- I think they're collecting money first and considering the problem second.

Nope. Collect money first. Give large percentage of money to couple of people "running" the campaign. Rest of money goes to next campaign to bring in money. Wash, rinse, repeat. Awareness campaigns are bigger scams than organized religion, but only by a hair.

Money and time would be better spent donated to local women's shelter and the like.

Yep.

Ask Erin Pizzy what she thinks about women's shelters

I'll ask my friends who've needed one first. Oh wait, I have, and they were glad to have them. Why, are some mismanaged? I'm certain the surprise will induce coronary arrest, grand mal seizure, and possibly itchiness in me.

what_now:GF named my left testicle thundercles: what_now: He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

equality of the sexes is what everyone believes. gender feminists as defined by cristina hoff sommers in her book "Who Stole Feminism" believe in portaying women as victims in order to get special legal privileges (like VAWA, dear college letter of tittle IX, or laws concerning the pay gap myth) over men.

Title IX states college must spend the same amount on women's and men's sports.

How is that special legal privileges?

The Violence Against Women act is designed to coordinate resources to preventing and prosecuting domestic violence. And the " myth" of the pay gap is reality to everyone who isn't a fool.

But please. Do go on. Keep talking about how beating women isn't as bad as some silly broads make it out to be.

what_now:GF named my left testicle thundercles: the campus rape mythhttp://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html

Well. If a blog has determined that rape doesn't happen, than I guess we need to stop worrying.

that article is about criicising the method that the famous survey that concluded 1/4 of college women are raped. "But the most powerful refutation of Koss's research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn't been raped. "

Archimedes' Principal:super_grass: It's also a myth that there is a gun violence epidemic as well, does that mean we are entitled to ignore the problem?

Apparently, only if the majority of the victims are 'of color' or of minority persuasion. When it's a bunch of white children or a politician, then it gets front page 24/7 coverage.

/ Report just the facts and an agenda may not be as easy to slip by the citizenry.

School violence was high through the 80s, and actually declined in the 90s. But bah Gawd, kill some white kids in Jonesboro Arkansas, and Columbine Colorado, and suddenly people take notice. It happened in white country, where God Notices.

Skyrmion:what_now: He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

Well perhaps the issue here is one of definition. When you hear the term "feminism", you are thinking of the definition above. But when many other people use the term, they are not referring to the abstract idea of gender equality, but more specifically to the women's rights political movement (probably in the contemporary United States).

I suspect this latter definition is actually the one in more common use. (I cannot think of any other reason why only 25%-30% of American women would identify as "feminist", as the very substantial majority surely believe in political and legal equality.)

This is why I thought the argument was so cute. I'm profeminist - but not misandrist. "Feminism" has accumulated some cultural baggage, especially from second wave feminism. For instance, Gloria Steinem, who proclaimed women's independence, spent her entire life actively being dependent on men. Third wave feminism is much more successful.

Fano:Skyrmion: what_now: He said: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7570294/82269803#c82269803" target="_blank">Marine1</a>:</b> <i>Shiat like this is why feminism is a hard sell.</i>

Feminism: 1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

Yeah, that's a hard sell. Especially if turns out that women aren't being beaten as much as people thought, one one night.

Well perhaps the issue here is one of definition. When you hear the term "feminism", you are thinking of the definition above. But when many other people use the term, they are not referring to the abstract idea of gender equality, but more specifically to the women's rights political movement (probably in the contemporary United States).

I suspect this latter definition is actually the one in more common use. (I cannot think of any other reason why only 25%-30% of American women would identify as "feminist", as the very substantial majority surely believe in political and legal equality.)

This is why I thought the argument was so cute. I'm profeminist - but not misandrist. "Feminism" has accumulated some cultural baggage, especially from second wave feminism. For instance, Gloria Steinem, who proclaimed women's independence, spent her entire life actively being dependent on men. Third wave feminism is much more successful.

...successful, at what?

/Sorry, didn't have a "Not sure if historically retarded" graphic to post.

Fano:"Feminism" has accumulated some cultural baggage, especially from second wave feminism.

And it accumulates more every time there's a "feminist" or "social justice" post on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter by some rambling, freshly out of Women's Studies 101 (or worse, someone who's only read a single page on any related subject on the internet) person who suddenly thinks he or she is an expert on oppression or whatever but is really only good at being an ignoramus.

It's too bad that the Feminism what_now advocates - gender equality, equal opportunity, etc. - isn't what some people are likely to see, whether on college campuses or on the 'net. You can't blame people (men or women) for getting the wrong idea about Feminism when their most likely exposure to it is a place where the first thing they see is people being ridiculous brats and trying to claim Feminism for themselves.

It's really hard and damn frustrating to fight for women's rights and gender equality when, for instance, you're invited to give a talk on women's progress and participation in the fields of science and mathematics, but at the same symposium, another speaker has been invited and uses her talk as a middle-class-white-girl-only club cry session that starts with "I drank so much last night..." Actual substance is replaced with "oh no, nerdy boys don't play video games with me," "I can't believe it! The other day I was walking outside and a <i>homeless man looked at me</i>," "the most horrible thing happened! Someone trolled me on the internet" crap.

"But they're not real feminists!" Yeah, I agree, and it's infuriating. But they've taken the label and are doing as good a job poisoning it as anyone could, all while no one says anything to them because they're afraid of being labeled misogynists or "chill girls."

The Miss America Pageant is a big event enjoyed by millions of people every year, most of them female.The beauty contest typifies the hopes and dreams of many American females. It glorifies everythinglots of girls and women want to be: slim, beautiful, talented and adored by huge crowds. But the dirty little secret of the Miss America Pageant is that it causes women to commit child abuse. Experts, in fact, have identified Miss America Saturday as a Day of Dread for American Children.

At a press conference in Atlantic City, a group of people concerned with children's welfare pronounced Miss America Saturday "the biggest day of the year for violence against children." If the woman's favorite contestant is eliminated, or if she fumbles a question, the woman's pent-up anxiety often explodes into violence against her kids. If a child dares to speak or otherwise distract a woman during the Miss America contest, the woman will often go berserk and strike the child for insolence and disrespect.

No one can explain exactly why but some say that the pageant puts women face-to-face with thefrustrations and disappointments of their lives. When women look at their children during the Miss America contest, they feel anger and rage toward their kids for making them be something other thanbeauty queens. The real explanation, however, is obvious enough. Though no one can prove it, the evidence seems strong that during the pageant women experience a form of PMS and, well, we all know what PMS does. Moreover, it is common knowledge that women take it as their traditional right to beat children. In fact, the term "Rule of Thumb" came from the old law that said a woman could beat her children as long as she used a stick no thicker than the child's thumb.

To help stem the horrible tide of violence against children, ABC has agreed to air a Public ServiceAnnouncement right before the pageant. It will be directed squarely at women and will remind themjust as they are settling in for their big event that "child abuse is a crime." On the "Today Show" a renowned psychologist reinforced the warning about the dangers of Miss America Saturday, claiming to have ten years of child abuse statistics to prove his point. The Boston Globe, one of the nation's mostrespected newspapers ran, a story saying that child abuse hot lines and child protection agencies are"flooded with more calls from victims [on Miss America Saturday] than any day of the year."

Activists mailed a notice to fathers, warning them: "Don't let the children remain alone with her during the pageant."

Nothing like this has ever happened.[excerpt from "If Men Have All the Power How Come Women Make the Rules"]

The Miss America story is completely fictitious. But if it had happened, what would you think?You might think that it's good to protect children from abuse, right? But what if it later turnedout that the whole story about child abuse surging during the Miss America Pageant was onehuge, bald-faced lie? What would you think then? Would it not seem that some organization orsome ideology with a lot of power and influence wanted cruelly and arrogantly to spray shame allover one of the events millions of American women enjoy most? Would it not seem that someonewanted unjustifiably to shame certain ideals of American femininity and even to shame Americanwomen themselves?On the other hand, the Super Bowl story really did happen. Fortunately, Ken Ringle, anenterprising reporter for the Washington Post, found that it was all a lie, that all the statistics andclaims and "science" were bogus, that there is no evidence that domestic violence increases duringthe Super Bowl. (Unfortunately, you'll still hear that it does, but you can confidently refute theclaim and refuse the shame.) Ringle's article appeared in the Washington Post on Super BowlSunday, January 31, 1993.Shaming maleness and masculinity around domestic violence is the key tactic in the backlashagainst men.

AmbassadorBooze:This urban myth is so pervasive that my roomate's professor in a domestic violence counseling class was saying it last year. I gave my roomate the history of this myth, and she showed the information to the professor. He backed down, but the rest of the class actually booed her. However, it is a kind of hick school, so take it with a grain of salt.

Applying critical thinking to this, asking for proof of claims, and disagreeing with the deliberate propagation of myths we know to be false will get you labeled as some sort of misogynist. That's what happened to me, and why i have zero farks to give for any 'feminist' cause now.

telaran:And it accumulates more every time there's a "feminist" or "social justice" post on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter by some rambling, freshly out of Women's Studies 101 (or worse, someone who's only read a single page on any related subject on the internet) person who suddenly thinks he or she is an expert on oppression or whatever but is really only good at being an ignoramus.

They find each other and they form these packs that will circle and attack anyone who disagrees with them too. They've pushed their way into Reddit, they want to define rules of conduct for Defcon.. it's farking ridiculous.

Boojum2k:I'll ask my friends who've needed one first. Oh wait, I have, and they were glad to have them. Why, are some mismanaged? I'm certain the surprise will induce coronary arrest, grand mal seizure, and possibly itchiness in me.

And when my friend was being abused by his girlfriend, there was not one farking resource for him. No shelter he could go to, no counselors. The domestic violence hotline called him the abuser and told him he should be in prison. Thing is, Erin Pizzey figured out a long time ago that women can be just as violent as men, and tried to do something about all domestic violence. She got death threats in response.

As a Jets fan, I don't think i could possibly care less about the Stupor Bowl. Not even the commercials or half-time debacle. I think I'll sit in bed and watch Haywire while my wife watches that shiat.