[E-Y Editor's Note: Brice Taylor brought this interview to my attention.
It provides an excellent corroboration of the conduct and nature of Illuminati
'families' that Brice relates in her book, Thanks
for The Memories, but it also offers the additional perspective of
the mind controlled programmer who's 'work' is more clinical (albeit ghastly),
yet just as destructive to the traumatized victim of mind control as well
as to the 'traumatizer', the programmer herself , who in most cases is also
under mind control. Neither party is consciously aware that they are engaged
in this activity and yet both parties are direct participants in the perpetuation
of this diabolical enslavement program which had its genesis in Nazi concentration
camps under Dr. Joseph Mengele (the infamous Auswitcz "Angel of Death") and
was developed to full operational status right here in the USA under the very
same Dr. Joseph Mengele courtesy of the OSS/CIA and Operation Paper Clip.

HJ Springer, Editor of CentrExNews.com, penned the following introductory
remarks to this revealing ten part interview with Svali. Our gratitude to
'Svali' for bringing this information forward and HJ Springer for running
the story. You can read many more articles by Svali and examine her self pubished
book at http://www.suite101.com/
. Every thinking person on this planet needs to become educated about the
Illuminati takeover agenda; otherwise their life and the lives their children
will suffer the ultimate price for their inattention, ignorance, and
inaction...Update Nov. 2004:
CentrExNews.com vanished from the internet somewhere around 2003. Ken
Adachi]

While running our series 'The Illuminati: How the Cult Programs People' we
received a few emails that were of a somewhat skeptical nature and/or requesting
more information. Needless to say, I had some questions of my own regarding
some details of the Illuminati and their agenda, and so I got in touch with
'Svali' (her pseudonym), an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer, to find out more
about her claims. In the following few episodes I will enlighten you (pardon
the pun), as much as I can, with additional knowledge I received from
her.Our correspondence took place in the form of an email interview,
which I left mainly intact. I only edited it for spelling and punctuation; minus
some personal information addressed to me. Should you have any additional questions
you would like to ask Svali, please email me at centrex@looksmart.com and I
will forward them to her for a possible future article.Following is
the first part of our interview.

HJ Springer
chief editor

Part 1: About Svali

Dear Mr. Springer,

Thank you for contacting me. Actually, I just received a somewhat skeptical
email today from someone who read the information at your site. I would be
more than happy to answer questions about validity, etc. with the following
provision. I write under a pen name to protect my two children and husband,
whom I do not want to have receiving hostile or threatening phone calls, etc.
My two children are still healing from the experiences of being raised in
the group as well, and I don't want any experiences that could traumatize
them.

The topic I am addressing is somewhat volatile, to say the least. People
have strong emotions pro and con as to whether the Illuminati are real. That
said, I will give you a little background info, feel free to share this with
readers. Also, my column at http://www.Suite101.com (I have a column on ritual
abuse; do a search on 'svali') has numerous articles on this topic if people
want to learn more.

1. I was born in 1957 in Alexandria, Virginia. I lived briefly in a small
town about an hour away from Washington, DC, then moved to a 500 acre farm
in northern Virginia when my mother married my stepfather. Both my mother
and my stepfather were members of this group. It is a very generational group.
My mother sat on the regional council over the Washington, DC area
and was in the "spiritual chair" (the Illuminati have 6 chairs on their ascended
masters council: Sciences, Government, Leadership, Scholarship, Spiritual,
and Military.)

These also correlate to the areas that children are taught growing up in
this group. They believe in "well rounded" children. The "spiritual" rituals,
or occult rituals, were only one small part of the teaching of this group,
the other five areas are also equally emphasized. I spent more time learning
history, languages, and sciences than I did seeing rituals, although they
were important to the group.

2. I went to school in Charlottesville, Va. 1975 to 1981, where I received
a BSN in nursing, and a BA in Spanish ( I got two degrees). This is also a
place where a lot intense abuse and occultic crime occurred, on an estate
about 10 miles south west of Charlottesville going towards Crowley, Virginia.

3. After graduation, I went to San Diego in 1981 ( I was called there by
the leadership there, they were strong in military training but weak in sciences,
which was my forte). I came and sat on leadership council, I was the sixth
head trainer there (the lowest head trainer) and had 30 trainers in the local
groups reporting to me. Leadership council met in Ramona, Ca. on an estate
there that belonged to a man named Jonathan Meiers.

When I went to the police in 1996 (after I had left the group) sure enough,
there was an estate there belonging to someone with that name. One of his
cult names was "Black Hand" because he wore black gloves when he worked with
people. He was the head trainer in the group, and one of the most sadistic
and brutal people I ever knew. He burned out most of the trainers that worked
with him, and I made it because I had a friend on leadership council who hated
him and helped me undermine him (the Illuminati are a very political and back
stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality; everyone wants to move up ). Her
cult name was Athena.

After years (12) of working with Jonathan, I moved up to the second head
trainer position in the county. Jonathan was getting ready to move to regional,
and he wanted me to take his place. But he and I also despised each other,
and he set me up to take a fall. That's a whole different story, and was one
of the factors that made me leave the group. I left the group in 1995, sick
of the lying, deceiving, and politics, and fearful for my life. I fled to
Texas, and went through therapy with Dr. Jerry Mundgaze
and his group. But unfortunately, they didn't know how to help "deprogram
me", or as Dr. Mundgaze told me, "you are higher than almost anyone we have
seen, and more programmed."

I remembered so much, and he had never heard of it and had no idea how to
help (definitely no suggesting of memories there, most of mine occurred spontaneously,
AT HOME. I have never been hypnotized or age regressed, all of my memories
have occurred in the course of daily life).

I spent a year intensely deprogramming myself. I was a head programmer, or
trainer, so I used my knowledge to undo what was done to me. I also became
enraged as I realized that the abuse I had endured (and done to others) was
NOT normal, was used to manipulate me, etc.

My book is based on my memories as an ADULT in this group. I was a perpetrator,
and I now regret it considerably. It is my restitution before God as I expose
what this group does and stands for. I also wrote it for therapists, to help
them understand the group and its methodologies, since it was so difficult
to hear from a nationally known ritual abuse center, "we don't know
what to do...". I based it on what I did to heal.

Two years ago, my children were on visitation with me and disclosed their
abuse to me. I went to CPS, and the case was closed, because the worker said
she didn't believe in ritual abuse! My ex came to get the children (he could
have put me in federal prison for not giving the children back, since the
San Diego court system blatantly states that they do not believe in ritual
abuse, and in EVERY case of alleged RA, the children are given to the allegedly
abusing parent).

The children confronted him in person. He turned white as a sheet, said,
"you really don't want to go back to "family", they said "no". He then fled
to California, quit his job, and moved out here and is in therapy for RA and
DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder). My children are also in therapy, and
healing rapidly. My now 12 year old son is almost completely integrated, and
happier than he has ever been before; my 16 year old daughter has some tough
issues to face, such as the sexual abuse she endured. But God has been faithful
in His healing work in all of our lives.

I wish that this was just "made up". That it weren't real. But it is. There
is too much documentation of this occurring (I can send you an URL for documented
convicted RA cases). My greatest regret is that I was used by this group,
after a lifetime of teaching, to be a perpetrator of the worst kind. I used
to torture and abuse others, believing that I was "helping" them.

Now, I realize that what I did was wrong, I have asked God's forgiveness.
And am committed to exposing this group through my writing. I am also a professional
writer in the medical field, was a registered nurse for 18+ years, and currently
work as an ESL teacher, health educator, and freelance author (on non abuse
topics!). I hope this is enough background info, it is the truth before God
and men. If you need any other, that won't compromise my anonymity or my children's
protection, please let me know.

Sincerely, Svali

PS. My younger sister remembers being tied up on a stone altar at the age
of 3, with a gag in her mouth, and being raped. She also remembers our paternal
grandmother taking her to friends, who used her sexually at the ages of 3
to 5. She became an alcoholic at age 13, after trying to commit suicide 7
times by age 12. My older brother has NO memories of ANYTHING AT ALL before
age 20, his life is a complete blank. He does believe that our father was
a perverse and strange man. This brother was cut down from our garage when
he was 8, and tried to hang himself.

My oldest brother is on the run, afraid to live anywhere for more than a
few months, because he believes they want to "get him." He also tried to commit
suicide many times as a young child. This is somewhat corroborating evidence,
as well as the fact that both of my children dream in German at night (that
is the language they speak in the Illuminati) and have NEVER heard it in the
daytime.

All information posted on this web site is
the opinion of the author and is provided for educational purposes only.
It is not to be construed as medical advice. Only a licensed medical doctor
can legally offer medical advice in the United States. Consult the healer
of your choice for medical care and advice.