Re: Keith's currently in the studio, Brand New Stones album on the horizon ... from IanReply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:23am

Well then...after last year's debate ( or was it a debacle?) Ian's intell was blurry at best at the start...but we all saw in the end, things got clearer and clearer and we DID end up with L&B.

I am hopeful ( and even more confident) that this will all turn out as well.

I suggest that in as a nod to the NO FILTER tour...the new album be called NO FILLER...just give us 10 or 11 REALLY good songs and toss the other 8 in the bin. We don't need D&G pt2. I would not be opposed to bringing in a younger producer to punch out a fresher sounding single as well.

“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef

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Re: Keith's currently in the studio, Brand New Stones album on the horizon ... from IanReply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 8:39pm

The Keith photo was taken in New York at Germano Studios on November 29.

The Mick one is from London yesterday (probably British Grove Studios)

They're not even on the same continent. Mick is working on the Stones album in that session. Apparently, Keith is doing a contribution for Steve Jordan's band, The Verbs.

(thanks, Nico)

Just a reminder, that its now exactlyTWO YEARS since the Stones hit a creative roadblock when recording their 'new' studio album and chose to record Blue & Lonesome instead.

Sure.. but their was no creative road block between Mick and Keith .. Just a break in tempo and in breaking things in and a creative stop / block during a single song... not an entire road block creatively between Mick and Keith all together (just wanna clarify).

B & L was born in three short days and they continued work on new original material in the same sessions and in a few sessions there after. They also continued work on the material together.

Blue & Lonesome did so surprisingly well (especially for an album of covers) they chose to ease up on following it up according to people at the record company.

The plan is to get together ...all together very shortly to work on new material together.

I agree... it's been terribly long.. and they have taken their time ... terribly taken their time (if I would not of heard anything by Febuary of a new album .. I was gonna throw in the towel and have to grasp that it just was not gonna happen.... no kidding Gazz.. I had a three month time line .. If it would of been mid Febuary and we heard nothing of new album or studio work I was gonna call it. Just aint there.)

Ok Now the slowness has not been due to the material being hopeless or lacking or due to a huge riff between Mick and Keith. It was due to the right approach to this album in keeping <all> members happy with the results and taking it very slow.

As well .. Blue & Lonesome did so well ...and continued to do well internationally they had absolutely no pressure to get the original material out there.

Slow.. in spurts.. slow but sure ... are the buzz words for this record (very slow lol and in no rush .. in fact.. It would seem neglectful .. I agree there).

This is not directed toward you but people say my vision was blurry. It wasnt a vision .. it was what was is all. First everyone said they would never do another album .. and that they had absolutely no interest in ever recording again (well now the verdict is in on all that). We have not only had one but here's a fresh one. Like I said from the start.. they still are interested in doing more albums.. after all they are there aren't they? (and we already had one).

Things are fine. They are not in process as they did in the past.. its a different approach going in and over time but things are still fine.

It's funny that people trot out the tired cliche of Keith being the heart and soul of the Stones, but it always appears that if it wasn't for Mick, nothing Stones related would ever happen.

Indeed. Mick has carried the Stones from Licks onwards. Anyone who cant see that hasnt been paying attention. Its even more admirable considering many a lesser man would have bailed out after his lifelong musical partner chose to humiliate him in print. Definitely the closest the band has come to imploding since the mid 80s.

This is not directed toward you but people say my vision was blurry. It wasnt a vision .. it was what was is all.

For the record...I never said your vision was blurry...maybe your reading comprehension...LOL...KIDDING...JOKE...anyway...what I meant was that there was nothing to confirm or deny or contradict the album news from the Stones camp...not until MONTHS later...nothing like the headers we have seen in the last few days...

It was me who said you were right on target the entire time...was it not?!?

This is not directed toward you but people say my vision was blurry. It wasnt a vision .. it was what was is all.

For the record...I never said your vision was blurry...maybe your reading comprehension...LOL...KIDDING...JOKE...anyway...what I meant was that there was nothing to confirm or deny or contradict the album news from the Stones camp...not until MONTHS later...nothing like the headers we have seen in the last few days...

It was me who said you were right on target the entire time...was it not?!?

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I thought you was simply saying I was sort of vague (I had to be... I had no idea when or where but I knew they would hit the studio again health permitting). Like you said.. they made it through the 80's ..and Keiths comments on Jagger's peccar (which was a doooozy ...whew.. Keith actually for the first time in his life publicly apologize).

As for anything else ...Gazza .. my dear man and message board moderator .. I expect only greatness from you .. ...nothing less.

Re: Keith's currently in the studio, Brand New Stones album on the horizon ... from IanReply #22 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 10:33am

Ian..one thing about the horizon...you never really get there....as far as Mick no doubt he has been the leader and without his band I doubt he continues to be in the limelight and "younger chick worthy".....

Ian..one thing about the horizon...you never really get there....as far as Mick no doubt he has been the leader and without his band I doubt he continues to be in the limelight and "younger chick worthy".....

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Sure you get there .. I was talking about the 'event horizon'

Anyway .. Mick Jagger has always been the leader of The Band .. technically and at other times realistically. At times... both.

Everyone talks about how Mick is so studio oriented.. why does Keith always the one who has to push or wait for the 'ok' from Mick? Keith has not been prolific in the last 20 years.. we know that.. BUT he is always the guy pushing for The Stones to get back into the studio .. Even More so than Mick.

Keith knows how to play Mick's cards and how to get him to do things nobody else can .. (always has). I'm not saying Keith is the ruler of the band anymore.. but to say he just sits around lazy and not wanting to do anything .. while Mick does all the leading and has to round up everyone to get them into the studio or to tour is nonsense ( unfounded..).

Re: Keith's currently in the studio, Brand New Stones album on the horizon ... from IanReply #24 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 12:17pm

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Everyone talks about how Mick is so studio oriented

I don't think that's correct Ian. At least for the last 20 years, Mick hates the wasted time doing nothing in studios. He always wants things done efficiently and quickly. I think part of the problem since and including Dirty Work is the speed at which each wants to finish albums.

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why does Keith always the one who has to push or wait for the 'ok' from Mick? Keith has not been prolific in the last 20 years.. we know that.. BUT he is always the guy pushing for The Stones to get back into the studio .. Even More so than Mick.

Again, I don't think that's right. Keith seems to talk a lot without any concrete plans, but it is Mick who seems to be the driving force in terms of getting things together and having a plan, not to mention seemingly being the main creative force.

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Keith knows how to play Mick's cards and how to get him to do things nobody else can .. (always has).

I think that ended in the 70s. Obviously he can affect him in ways most others can't, but it looks like with Stones things, if Mick doesn't think it's right, he won't do it. I am not sure it works the other way round. There are plenty of things Keith says (i.e. Undercover would not be on 40 Licks) that Mick ignores.

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I'm not saying Keith is the ruler of the band anymore.. but to say he just sits around lazy and not wanting to do anything .. while Mick does all the leading and has to round up everyone to get them into the studio or to tour is nonsense ( unfounded..).

I don't think anyone has said that. Outside of the Stones, Keith has released 4 solo albums (Wingless Angels included) in 30+ years. Mick does a lot more outside of the band than Keith. In terms of the Stones, the bottom line seems to be that if Mick doesn't decide things, it won't get done. I remember Charlie saying as much in an interview.