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Saturday, August 10, 2019

Lets see, you have the richest guy in the world hanging out with the mogul who pulls the puppet strings for lots of people caught up in raping underage teens both hanging out outside the country at the same time as the "suicide." Convenient.

In the great tradition of Ken Lay, Dan White, the DC Madam... its all theater. Oswald would have hung himself if he was around today. Back then a slob with a .38 was just part of the landscape. Today it's suicide. Just ask any mass shooter if you can find these actors in Brazil or Patagonia or wherever they stash these assets.

A. Claire we had a famous super rich mafia guy in argentina related to former president now congressman menem ... lebanese people, related with terrorism, well nobody had any pic of YABRAN the rich guy till a mag asked his photograpther to take one NO MATTER how ... Cabezas the ph chased yabran till the beach and the mag had a noice cover with the businessman and his wife walking by the sea

days alter cabezas was kidnapped., tortured, shot and set on fire ... yabran s people was accused and himself of ordered it ... he escaped and "commited suicide by shooting himself with a shotgun ,,, skull and dental pieces everywhere ... CASE CLOSED ..

Btw ... the corps (found in a farm that belonged to the president s friends and relatives was SHORTER THAN YABRAN ... and his entire family moved to lebanon .. just saying ...

The Clinton's have been the most investigated American citizens in the history of this nation and yet they have never been convicted of anything. Yet some crazy people think that they possess some magical powers that allow them to sneak into a federal prison and kill Epstein while he is in Trump's/ Barr's custody. Weird.

When my grandmother died the EMT asked if she wanted to be sent to the hospital (for an autopsy potentially) or to the funeral home. My Aunt who found her had her sent directly to the funeral home. IDK how it is done in different places or states but being sent to the hospital is not unusual at least where I am from.

@David I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist in general, but Epstein tried to kill himself a week ago, and is probably the most high-profile prisoner in the country. There’s no way he would’ve been able to kill himself if there weren’t some shenanigans going on.

Well, we certainly know which one he wanted preserved (albeit less an organ than an appendage). (I know we've all been waiting for the beans to be spilled on this story but it also means having to consider Alan Dershowitz in his underpants, and Epstein's preserved member - I'm not terribly eager in either case, and innumerable hypothetical ones.)

Well he did want his brain and penis cryogenically frozen. So maybe that's why they were off to the hospital.I wonder if he left a dead hand stick in place if something like this were to happen to him. If his island, and houses were really a honeypot operation, then he probably has lots on many VIP's.

The richest and most powerful people in the world just happen to be across the globe do-gooding when this happens? It's just so hopeless. These people control everything and any "outsider" is going to be crucified if they go against it. They are doing anything they want and getting away with it. Love or hate Trump, he's not one of these people.

Psychopaths like Epstein don't commit suicide. They go with whatever situation they are put in and take control of it. All Epstein had to do was either get out of it or even if sent to prison take control of his situation in the prison. Epstein liked young past puberty girls, not children, the same Pedo code that prisoners apply to young children is not going to apply to a man who just liked young women. Oh but never mind that there is literally a Clinton associated death every other week. There are so many that it's not even mentioned any more. Everybody just shrugs now. We're conspiracy theorists. Got it.

I do have to admit when I saw the NY Post photo of the body being rolled into the hospital (with the head not covered) the first thing I thought was "He's alive." He did not look like a dead person. Who fucking knows? We never will.

Agreed @MissDavie. He is definition of "new money"" who refused to play the game vs. old money or new money that does. I forget what actor even said that people in the "in crowd" did not respect him in Manhattan as he was "flashy" aka new money as he and his family was from "Brooklyn." With Trump it has always been a new money vs. old money type of thing.

I also think Epstein is dead though but offed Godfather/ Goodfellas/ Vince Forester style.

Randomish: But, all of Unsolved Mysteries have been uploaded on YouTube (with "updated". information). I never really bought into the Kurt Cobain conspiracy theory, but, in episode 9x11 they lay it out in a pretty neutral argument. Worth a watch for anyone interested. I do not know where I stand anymore.

Oh, man. Imagine finding out you had that dirtbag's organs. I mean, living beats dying, but it would be a really shitty thing to think about. I'm sure it's all anonymous, but I've seen those shows about people who suddenly have new thoughts and feelings after recieving a donated organ. I guess I'm joining the tin foil hat club too.

Whether you think they had something to do with it or not do you really think they would need to be 'out of the country' to support their alibis??? As the blind seems to indicate it actually makes them look they needed a good alibi so would have been smarter to just have stayed insulated at their estates/castles here in the USA. If you're someone that thought one of them might have snuck into the jail and hung them then yes, I guess it is better that they were out of the country BUT WAIT....with their resources they might have snuck off the yacht and flown supersonic to the jail and done the deed. Can their presence on the yacht be confirmed??:):):)

I think he is dead, but I think he was either murdered or had a little help with his suicide. It’s too convenient that he was recently taken off suicide watch,after his previous suicide attempt or attempt on his life. He had to be shut up permanently as too many powerful people are implicated. I hope his victims who have had their statements unsealed or have spoken publicly have very good protection and don’t end up dead as well. There are many people who have a lot to lose if the full truth comes out.

If they didn't suicide Hitler,they are not going to suicide Epstein.As someone mentioned above, They're showing his face because they want everyone to believe he's dead.It screams "SEE, HE'S DEAD. HE'S REALLY DEAD. LOOK AT HIS FACE. IT'S HIM!"When do the EVER do that?He's already on a jet to Israel where they will schedule his plastic surgery. Epstein is an intelligence asset.

You have to be checked every 15 minutes on most suicide watches. It will be interesting to "see" the funeral. LOL .....Ken Lay was incinerated 3 days after his "death". No open casket. Odd that little environmental get together a few days ago with photos of Oprah and Katy Perry having to be scraped off their little boats. Planning committee?

If Alex Jones is on the list why has he spent his career outing these pervs. It would be Blackmail 101 if people had info on him. He was deplatformed because he was speaking out against the pervs and one does not deplatform someone who is speaking nonsense. Nonsense is all over YouTube/ the internet.

And...no! He never inspired people to shoot anything. Personal choice. Always.

I didn't believe they would leave him alive long enough to participate in a criminal trial. Epstein was arrogant and never would have committed suicide. He was murdered but we will never know by whom. Rot in hell Jeffrey that's one big karmic debt he's got to erase.

According to MSNBC and The Washington Post, Epstein told people someone tried to kill him last month, he did not attempt suicide. Sandra Rose blog is also reporting Epstein was found dead in his cell and that he was not taken to the hospital while in cardiac arrest.

Jeffrey Epstein Dead of Apparent Suicide *Update*

FROM THE ARTICLE

Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein feared for his life in the days before he was found hanging in his jail cell. Epstein, 66, was found dead in his Lower Manhattan jail cell on Saturday morning. According to MSNBC, people close to Epstein feared an attempt on his life after he was found semi-conscious in his jail cell last month.

Epstein, 66, was in his federal jail cell in downtown Manhattan but was not on suicide watch at the time of his death, multiple people familiar with the investigation told NBC News. He had apparently hanged himself, and was found unresponsive at around 6:30 a.m. ET.

Look at the hands. When an unconscious body is transported to the hospital, the arms are usually tucked into the side of the body so they don't flop around. You don't put them on top of the body like that, especially if you are doing CPR as you go.

By looking at the hands/arms, the person on the gurney appears to be awake. Yes, a person can be conscious during CPR.

But there's a problem. Multiple news outlets say he died while en route to the hospital. The photo shows the man being wheeled into the hospital, not out of the prison. How could his arms be up like that if he died on the way to the hospital?

There is NO WAY Epstein committed suicide. When on suicide watch there is NOTHING in the cell and you are watched 24/7. Watch, security cameras will be “broken” and all his little black books and other incriminating stuff will have disappeared never to be seen again. The deep state is scary as hell.

ITS NYC, the most corrupt state there is. of course he was going to die. Chicago would be second (FYI, 50 shot, 5 killed last weekend but thats typical so no real news there) and LA/Tran Francisco would be third. how is anyone surprised. next we will have Ghisell Maxwell coming out with a mouse face on to "signal" the elites.

I have never heard of that site and it contradicts information found on mainstream sites.

The linked site reports Epstein was on suicide watch. That is not true. That alone makes me doubt the rest of the story. Having said that, that does not mean some of the things in the report are not true.

There are rumors the Clintons and Trump visited Epstein in prison.

I think misinformation is being spread on purpose.

What if someone familiar with the conspiracy theories is setting up the Clintons or Donald Trump?

Having worked at a prison as a nurse (many many years ago when first married and while hubby finsished his degree) the photos from the NY Post tend to rule out he died from hanging. Hanging victims are purple and have bulging features. The guy on that stretcher is relaxed and pale. Yes suicide watches are on video and usually a guard has to make eye contact with the inmate every fifteen minutes. Lights are always on in the room. Room has been stripped of anything useful for harming self. He may be in rigor and that's why his hands look as they did. Unless you break his arms you won't be able to manuever his hands into a different position. I'm having a hard time working up any sympathy for the guy.

I guess those who think he was alive know people whose natural skin tone is deep purple.

Having worked in downtown Manhattan for many years I can tell you that the hospital and the jail are very close.

People are making this ish up as they go along.

Is the death suspicious? Hell yeah. Did everyone know it was coming? Hell yeah, especially after all of the doucments that were released in the civil case involving Ghislaine Maxwell. Anyone know where she is?

Narcissists/psychopaths don't off themselves under normal circumstances. Rod Rosenstein posted a tweet saying the incidence of self harm among pedophiles in custody is high.

When he was alive I thought to myself he looked a lot like Bourdain.

Suspicious death. Barr has personal business and family links at stake. One victim was recruited a Mar - Lago. But yeah it's the Clintons.

Re: the picture of him being wheeled into the hospital and his hand placement--agree it's odd. I was wondering if he was cuffed and that's why the elbows were bent, hands up? Because his hands were cuffed together?

@Ann, thanks for the reminder. His face should have been purple if he'd hanged himself.

When will we the people finally stand up and call "bullshit" on this crap? This whole situation is dirty as the day is long. This guy was a pedophile of the highest order who had dirt on MANY high level people. Of course he commits suicide in his cell (sarcasm). This was a fucking hit coordinated by some very, very powerful people. The kind when they say "jump," your ass immediately becomes Michael Jordan. You may think you could hang, but you would shit your pants just being in the same room. Let's see how this all breaks out. My money is on one or two low level politicians or celebrities going down, and then that's it. Is he alive? Can any of us really say for sure one way or the other these days? Strange times. Strange times...

I meant don't that if a body is transported to the hospital, and it's certain the body is already dead...don't they cover the face? I have always thought that was the protocol. I also just meant there are so many questions and we know there will never be any real answers. My first thought at seeing the NY Post photo was "He's not dead." Could he have enough dirt and money and connections that for the good of all the death was faked and he was transported to a safe country? It's not that far-fetched. Surely he made some kind of arrangements in the event of his death for what would happen with all the information he was holding over powerful people?

Cause its obviously fake.Plus his rich,Jewish and NYC connected.This isn't the first time a pedo has staged their death,they've been many before.Sorry but unless I talk to the staff at the hospital myself.I'm not trusting or buying anything the media cooks up.They're fake and corrupt.Jews always protect their own and I mean always.

Its either a hit or staged but I'm going with the latter,only because I know of personally how large the number of Hugh profile pedophiles who have staged their deaths or fled (roman polinski)and are in hiding.Its what these cowards do.What i know is that any high level criminal/mobster has their death staged,especially in cases like this.Plus his Jewish and rich.You've never met Jews have you?they'd never let something bad happen to their own

+10000000. Even “mistakenly” taking him off observation with his history of an attempt and letting him do it himself could be the result of nefarious players. On the other hand maybe we give our civil servants too much credit. it could just as easily be sheer incompetence. I am a bit surprised, it being the federal system (not like it’s rikers), and him being even bigger than el chapo at the moment (also housed at metro corrections, I think). I’d like to think Dershowitz or someone will pay, but they won’t.

He was actually taken off suicide watch That in itself is strange. Also, the cameras were conveniently not working. My son in law is a journalist covering Epstein. He has been some very interesting info.

I'm with Ann. I've seen a lot of dead bodies & the pose, waxy appearance & colouring of his hands & knuckles, purple ears & cheeks while areas of face pointing upward are paler, even the colour of the hair lightens & darkens based on blood/colour pooling. Definitely dead for longer than guestimated. That's an hours old body.

And as weird as this sounds...that's def his ear. I compared them because I lead a sad & lonely existence¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Look - I'm all in on some conspiracy, but not at the cost of common sense.

In the first instance, why are there photos of Epstein headed to hospital? and why let them leak? That to me seems a deliberate move. And if so, why then would you employ a body double / not-Epstein in a photo that people have time to pore over? That makes no sense.

If you accept that it's in the interests of the institutions of power to see him on the gurney, the idea behind it being to reinforce that he's dead - although maybe there's other reasons - I have no idea. You put that together with how it's in those same people's interests for Epstein to not be on suicide watch - despite a prior attempt. How else do you create a plausible moment for it to happen?

Having now read several articles linking Epstein to being an intelligence asset, and him having been in custody a month, the high level plea deal from 2008 - I'm now very interested in the "faked death" narrative. I don't necessarily buy it, but to return to my original point, if you wanted to craft a narrative that Epstein was definitely dead, creating an opportunity for him to do it, then documenting the body on the way out of the door would be the best way to do that. Of course, if Epstein has turned on high value individuals (you would hope) that we would see something from this in the coming days.

Marlin, I worked for a suicide helpline for years and once had to testify at the inquest of a prisoner who killed himself while on the line with me in a suicide cell. As he died he told me the guards were laughing. I was very happy to help both those bastards lose their jobs.

funeral director here - yes, the head coloring is normal for someone who has died from choking/hanging. From what I can see in the photo, I don't see any indentation from the item used the hang/choke, and you would definitely see it. Very purple face, very dark ears. Hands are on his front because of cuffs. His lids are halfway closed - the "dead eyes". I would have expected the eyes to be bit buldged, so he must not have been hanging for long IF he was hung. The ME could pass on an autopsy based on his faith (and at the request of his NOK), but I have never seen a Jewish family say no to an autopsy in the case of a suspicious death, so... Also, Jews bury asap, and are not embalmed (even if they are autopsied). Most Jews don't cremate, but quite a few reform Jews do cremate now.

In the email, ShareBlue notes a "rapid swell in far-right disinformation" and recommends the following.

Do Not1. Deny the possibility of foul play2. Excuse Epstein of his potential crimes, or doubt the validity of his guilt3. Link to the current court documents regarding Epstein or use them in constructing your argument.

Do1. Sympathize with the potential victims of Epstein2. Remind people of the prior allegations against President Trump (Talk Subject 14c)3. Remind people of Trump's prior quotes regarding Epstein and their proven interactions together (Talk Subject 34)4. Remind people of the power that the President of the United States holds in comparison to members of the public5. As always, ROLCON.

ROLCON is supposedly "role play conservative" - ie, go on various message boards and act like a fool to discredit opposing viewpoints.

Erin, I woke up this am thinking of this case and wondered if you would show up- and here you are! I have a friend who is a funeral director and he is the most level headed, decent, cool guy I know. Thanks for the info, it's a breath of fresh air to see facts and (rare!) logic here. THANK YOU!! I believe he was Clintoned as well

TMZ is now saying that the prison just skipped the nightly check on Epstein. So they had the most high-profile prisoner in the world currently in their jail. He had either been attacked or attempted suicide recently. But hey, just skip the cell check tonight. No big deal. I don't even know what to believe. I just hope Epstein made some kind of arrangements that all the dirt he had on everyone is released in the event of his death.

i think the Royal Family or Russians did this. really don't think NC or HRC have the power to pull this off. NYC Corrections is the most corrupt with LA 2nd. it is one of the worst jobs with lots of overtime. quick rich scheme with overseas funds is what happened. or JE paid an inmate to kill him because he could not do it himself. the guy seemed kind of soft

Trump's controversial retweet of the Clinton body count conspiracy is one of the only places you can find the 2000+ pages of court documents unsealed Friday night in this case (because news outlets aren't linking to the docs even as they selectively report on the contents). This alone should make it clear that Trump is not involved. He's trying to give the public direct access to the court docs.

Thanks for your sweet words Rosie! Yes, most funeral directors are pretty level-headed because of what we do every day and night. The flipside is we have quite the sense of humor! (And a BIG love of caffeine!)

Nutty - I was at Marshall's yesterday and saw a tea tin with Harry Sparkle's image and thought of you and CDAN!! Very interesting that the dem's would send out talking points about Epstein. I guess because so many of the people implicated are dems? Deflect and deny.

We were meant to see Epstein's face. One paramedic appeared to be doing very casual cardiac compressions, however there was no pulmonary assistance occurring. Anyone trained in cardiac resuscitation knows that you need to oxygenate the blood that you're trying to circulate and that was definitely not happening. Mouth to mouth, or a resuscitation bag would have obstructed the line of sight to his face and they didn't want that. The resuscitation team wasn't there waiting to take over either.

Patrick Whitesell (Lauren Sanchez's ex-husband) and Pia Miller have been in Italy together since Wednesday. They are joined by at least three other people including model Zorana Kuzmanovic. They spent at least one day on the same yacht with Ryan Seacrest and Shayna Taylor. Pia just started following Shayna on IG.

Pia has been careful not to post photos this time of her and Patrick but she is posting plenty without him. Although, model Zorana has a few of Patrick on her stories. They will disappear soon. She even captured Patrick taking a pic of Pia. Pia traveled from Australia to L.A. to meet Patrick. They then took a private jet from L.A. (the company jet) to Italy, from there they boarded the yacht.