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to go back to the opening question - and with apologies, when Pier firstposed the question of what was un-simulatable / unsimulable, before staringthe discussion - I said something like "life"...I take it all back - it isdeath. death cannot be simulated, perhaps the final rasping breath can - butthe completion of non - sense, the utter desolation of the senses, theunconditioned, a void: this surely cannot be simulated?

> Dear Yasmin,>> is the simulation of sense all we need for the real to become, in its> treatment as entirely rational, *the* simulation...>> Derek>>> On 18 January 2011 18:03, Ennio Bertrand <enniobertrand@gmail.com> wrote:>>> dear clarissa,>> about shent>> in 1996 I relized an installation to transmit perfumed photography by>> internet in 4 different places>> ennio bertrand>>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Clarissa Ribeiro Pereira de Almeida <>> almeida.clarissa@gmail.com> wrote:>>>> > And here, something about "computer-controlled olfactory displays" and>> > smell>> > simulation...>> >>> >>> > On "Proustian effects">> >>> > We can experience odors that tap into emotionally charged memories. This>> > phenomenon has its roots in the olfactory system – some smells can>> trigger>> > memories of events that take place many years earlier. A phenomenon of>> > Involuntary>> > memory. A very famous mention in literature of this kind of sensorial>> event>> > in the Marcel Proust novel *In Search of Lost Time*, where the>> > narrator experiences>> > an awakening upon tasting a madeleine dipped in tea:>> >>> >>> >>> > "She sent out for one of those short, plump little cakes called petites>> > madeleines, which look as though they had been moulded in the fluted>> > scallop>> > of a pilgrim's shell. And soon, mechanically, weary after a dull day>> with>> > the prospect of a depressing morrow, I raised to my lips a spoonful of>> the>> > tea in which I had soaked a morsel of the cake. No sooner had the warm>> > liquid, and the crumbs with it, touched my palate than a shudder ran>> > through>> > my whole body, and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary changes that>> > were taking place…at once the vicissitudes of life had become>> indifferent>> > to>> > me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory […]" (Marcel>> > Proust, *Remembrance>> > of Things Past, Volume 1: Swann's Way*. London: Chatto and Windus,>> 1922.)>> >>> >>> >>> > Recognizing *odors associated with meaningful places*:>> >>> > http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/amerjpsyc.123.3.0281>> >>> > MIT Neuroscientists Explain 'Proustian Effect' Of Small Details Attached>> To>> > Big Memories:>> >>> >>>http://chem.info/News/Feeds/2011/01/topics-plant-operations-mit-neuroscientists-explain-proustian-effect-of-sm/>>/>> >>> > Projection-Based Olfactory Display with Nose Tracking>> > ISBN: 0-7803-8415-6>> > Most attempts to realize an olfactory display have involved capturing>> and>> > synthesizing the odor. This work focus on spatio-temporal control of>> odor>> > rather than synthesizing odor itself:>> > http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/VR.2004.1310054>> >>> >>> > <>> >>>http://chem.info/News/Feeds/2011/01/topics-plant-operations-mit-neuroscientists-explain-proustian-effect-of-sm/>>/>> > >>> >>> > And here we can read about the *SubSmell System*:>> >>> > The idea of adding the SubSmell logo to the movie for describing the>> scent>> > of each event in the movie has been proposed to improve the current way>> of>> > seeing movies, which can perceive only pictures and sound. Using the>> > SubSmell, the audience can smell the movie. The audiences need a>> SubSmell>> > application to read a SubSmell and an olfactory display in order to>> release>> > scent.>> >>> > http://www.springerlink.com/content/p642p43x04n61567/>> >>> > A Thesis on "*Symbolic Olfactory Display*" exploring the problems and>> > possibilities of computer-controlled scent output.>> >>> > by Joseph Nathaniel Kaye>> >>> > S.B. Brain & Cognitive Science,>> >>> > Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1999>> >>> >>>http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~jofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html<http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Ejofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html>>>>>> <>> http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Ejofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Clarissa Ribeiro>> >>> >>> > 2011/1/17 Clarissa Ribeiro Pereira de Almeida <>> almeida.clarissa@gmail.com>>> >>> > > … "So what is un- un-simulatable? And why?">> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Here, just an instantaneous free writing exercise around the questions>> I>> > > want to share:>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > *"A moist media pulp fiction (or an escape attempt from the>> > simulatable)"*>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > A datacloud was fluctuating in a datasky. Radio waves were *flowing>> > by*slowly and dancing and shaking the cloud waves-particles. For a>> databeing>> > > who was observing the system, the scale was macro; the time was>> complex;>> > the>> > > sun was shining, as unusual. The cloud was so excited that was about>> to>> > rain>> > > and give birth to a moist context that could be the beginning of a new>> > > reality in a system of realities. Escaping from this about to born>> > reality,>> > > the moist nature of the rain was just a temporary sensorial illusion>> of>> > the>> > > databeing who was vibrating as the radio waves *pervase* its structure>> –>> > ">> > > *Take it as it comes /Specialize in having fun*". Suddenly, in an>> > > unpredictable instant, here comes the rain. By maters of the>> observation,>> > > the soft rain becomes a datapool where one can quantum jumping and>> meet a>> > > myriad of multiple selves. Entangled delicate un-simulatable reality.>> > Here>> > > comes the sun. It's all right!>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Clarissa Ribeiro>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > 2011/1/17 Pier Luigi Capucci <plc@noemalab.org>>> > >>> > > Dear Yasminers,>> > >>>> > >> in this second discussion about the simulation issues the topics (the>> > >> un-simulatable and the simulation of the senses) are very different,>> > >> although related. In the remote and mediated communication some>> senses>> > we>> > >> normally use and that are very important in our everyday's life ->> like>> > smell>> > >> and touch - simply do not pass, they are not effective, are useless.>> > While>> > >> the simulation hugely involves the sight and the hear, which are the>> so>> > >> called "superior senses", all the other sensory information is>> dropped>> > out.>> > >>>> > >> Asimple information about the chemical senses:>> > >> http://www.slideshare.net/lwolberg/chemical-senses-smell-and-taste>> > >>>> > >> Many times we have heard about the need of restructuring and>> redefining>> > >> the communication, a critique about "balancing" and discussing the>> > >> communication's issues. Many important international events (like the>> > almost>> > >> concurrent Transmediale) seem devoted to the ethical issues of the>> > >> communication. But maybe the problem is at a more general level, on>> the>> > fact>> > >> that from a sensory viewpoint the remote and mediated communication>> is>> > >> poorer than the direct one because drops out an important part of the>> > way we>> > >> "get in touch" with each other. Hence we must admit we accepted to>> > >> communicate more rapidly, over greater distance, in an increasingly>> > >> affordable and economic way, but in exchange for an impoverished>> > >> communication.>> > >>>> > >> On the other side, in a world where the information is extensively>> > >> simulated by the mass media and the new media - a topic debated in>> our>> > first>> > >> discussion last year in Yasmin - is there anything which can't enter>> the>> > >> realm of simulation, which can't be simulated, hence reduced - since>> the>> > >> simulation is always a reduction of the phenomenon which is being>> > simulated?>> > >> So what is un-simultable? And why?>> > >>>> > >> What are the artist doing in this direction?>> > >>>> > >> Some more info later!>> > >>>> > >> Thank you and best,>> > >>>> > >> Pier Luigi>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> -->> > >> Pier Luigi Capucci>> > >> e-mail: plc@noemalab.org>> > >> web: http://www.noemalab.org/plc/plc.html>> > >> skype: plcapucci>> > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________>> > >> Yasmin_discussions mailing list>> > >> Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>> > >> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions>> > >>>> > >> Yasmin URL: http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin>> > >>>> > >> HOW TO SUBSCRIBE: click on the link to the list you wish to subscribe>> > to.>> > >> In the page that will appear ("info page"), enter e-mail address,>> name,>> > and>> > >> password in the fields found further down the page.>> > >>>> > >> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE: on the info page, scroll all the way down and>> enter>> > >> your e-mail address in the last field. Enter password if asked. 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