izad writes @ sucks:(on 12/4)izad*Have they actually started racing? I know someone who supposedly was contacted to 'help with the production team', that they will be in Malaysia this weekend. Should I start camping out at the airport? *I'm still a little iffy about this info though.. Does anyone know when/if the race has actually started? it wouldn't make sense for them to start flying into Malaysia if it's still early in the show, would it? *More info from my intel.. they will be in Malaysia from the 9th to 12th December. I'm trying to find out where exactly the roadblocks/detours will be so I can have more than one chance of getting their pictures.

* 5 teams passed through Malaysia..... 4 were seen and documented izad adds:*Those are the orders that they came in. Charla and Mirna got a huge lead. The other three teams came in close within each other. *There five teams in this leg because I'm a good listener. *again, since I did not personally see the fifth team, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt..*from what I 'heard' - an African American couple who got delayed on their flight. with the fifth team, it's not an eye-witness account like the other four, so I can't confirm if what I heard was true.. so y'all can still speculate.

**update**The Chas arrived at exactly 10:00am which means they were pretty close with the BQs.Though Charla/Mirna has a huge 2 hour lead, don't go nuts yet and discount the possibility of them having an equalizer after this route marke **In order of arrival at the route marker:

introcapsKuala Lumpur, Malaysia18. Neobie: Kuala Lumpur Skyline25. Boingo and Neobie: Putrajaya Mosque, just outside of Kuala Lumpur. I have no idea what they could do in Putrajaya though (it's an artificial capital city). The main mosque at the heart of the Malaysian capital of Putrajaya.31. Neobie: Petronas Towers, KLCC, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Since we started a thread for this episode I will post my airline spec for C/M flying into KL, that is if they are leaving from Warsaw.

LOT Polish Airlines Flt 223Warsaw to Vienna 7:40am - 9:05am

Austrian Airlines Flt 1Vienna to Kuala Lumpur 10:50am - 4:45am

Add in time to de-board the airplane, make their way through the airport and possibly take public transport or drive to the Batu Caves, that puts them at the Batu Caves by roughly 8:00 am when Izad snapped his pictures of C/M and cheered them on......"Hey Charla and Mirna. Good luck guys, you're doing great. I"m your biggest fan!" (I'm only guessing he said that)

Also Izad, posted a "random pic" of a nail in a tire over at Sucks. Perhaps it is a clue to more info that he might have on this leg.

Also, should add this that Izad posted after I asked him about their backpacks. In the pic at the clue box, they don't have their backpacks but standing out front in that open area they did so I was curious as to where the backpacks were and what they were doing standing there.

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The picture was taken after they got their clue. As for the backpacks.. I honestly can't remember, but I'm pretty sure they carried their backpacks along with them up the stairs. They could've just put their backpacks down momentarily while reading the clue at the cluebox... and in that pic, they were actually waiting for their cameraman/soundman. (Man, those guys can run I tell ya).

Since we started a thread for this episode I will post my airline spec for C/M flying into KL, that is if they are leaving from Warsaw.

LOT Polish Airlines Flt 223Warsaw to Vienna 7:40am - 9:05am

Austrian Airlines Flt 1Vienna to Kuala Lumpur 10:50am - 4:45am

Add in time to de-board the airplane, make their way through the airport and possibly take public transport or drive to the Batu Caves, that puts them at the Batu Caves by roughly 8:00 am when Izad snapped his pictures of C/M and cheered them on......"Hey Charla and Mirna. Good luck guys, you're doing great. I"m your biggest fan!" (I'm only guessing he said that)

Also Izad, posted a "random pic" of a nail in a tire over at Sucks. Perhaps it is a clue to more info that he might have on this leg.

COLBY, your analysis makes sense generally. However, if all teams land at 0445, why would there be such a apread in getting to Batu Caves via public transportation? It seems like there must be something in between which spreads out teams a bit.

I dont understant how team could be so spread out at Batu Caves if it is at the beginning of the leg.. apparently C/M come in at the back of the pack in Poland.. so how could they get such a lead so quickly.. those girls are amazing

I really hope there is no HOH.. I just think it takes the excitement out of it.. Ive been looking foreward to this episode ever since i saw Izad's photos of C/M coming in first

COLBY, your analysis makes sense generally. However, if all teams land at 0445, why would there be such a apread in getting to Batu Caves via public transportation? It seems like there must be something in between which spreads out teams a bit.

The 4:45 AM flight would the flight that Charla and Mirna are on. According to Izad, Charla and Mirna were at the Batu Caves at 8:00 AM. Also Izad said in his spoiler that he believe the Batu Caves was the first stop for the teams after arriving in Kuala Lumpur. Danny & Oswald, the BQs and Eric and Danielle were not seen by Izad until after 10:00 AM. Therefore it appears the rest of the teams flew in on a later flight. Otherwise, I would expect that izad would have seen the teams arived around the same time.

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I dont understant how team could be so spread out at Batu Caves if it is at the beginning of the leg.. apparently C/M come in at the back of the pack in Poland.. so how could they get such a lead so quickly.. those girls are amazing

That has bothered me as well but we have seen Mirna and Charla work their magic at the airport before. We just saw that in the previous leg where they took a risk and got on an earlier flight with a risky connection and pulled it off. Therefore, if Charla and Mirna did come in 3rd or 4th in Poland, the still can manag to pull off finding an eariler flight from Poland to Malaysia just like they did in South Africa. I know they are capable but what makes me scratch my head is if the BQ's and Danny and Oswald and Eric and Danielle are first at the airport why did they let Charla and Mirna pull this off again!! Were they too scared to take a risk? Were Charla and Mirna just smarter and found something that nobody else did?

I just hope they can maintain their lead. All it would take is for them to choose a wrong Detour or get lost and the other teams could catch up.

I dont understant how team could be so spread out at Batu Caves if it is at the beginning of the leg.. apparently C/M come in at the back of the pack in Poland.. so how could they get such a lead so quickly.. those girls are amazing

That has bothered me as well but we have seen Mirna and Charla work their magic at the airport before. We just saw that in the previous leg where they took a risk and got on an earlier flight with a risky connection and pulled it off. Therefore, if Charla and Mirna did come in 3rd or 4th in Poland, the still can manag to pull off finding an eariler flight from Poland to Malaysia just like they did in South Africa. I know they are capable but what makes me scratch my head is if the BQ's and Danny and Oswald and Eric and Danielle are first at the airport why did they let Charla and Mirna pull this off again!! Were they too scared to take a risk? Were Charla and Mirna just smarter and found something that nobody else did?

....Or maybe the FIRST FLIGHT (with D/K, Cha & E/D) was delayed at some point en route.

....Or maybe the FIRST FLIGHT (with D/K, Cha & E/D) was delayed at some point en route.

True! It's been awhile since I did the research on the flights. I actually did the research back in December when Izad first came out with his spoilers but waited to post it. If I recall and my memory isn't good right now, the flights I came up with were the earliest flights I could find into KL and that fit with C/M arrving in time to fit Izad's timeline. Then again, I tried to look up flights that fit the others arriving 2 hours late but was unable to find anything that fit. there is a flight from Singapore to KL that fit but I couldn't find a Warsaw to Signapore flight that fit. But I agree, your scenario is possible.

Also, I was working under the assumption that Izad knew the night before what time the first racer(s) would be reaching the Batu Caves and that is why he was able to be set up at the Caves to catch them when they arrived. Maybe he can clarify?

A full flight, that has a standby list and they get chosen (Season 5 they were 3rd on a waiting list of teams and got chosen, due to needing a "doctoro".

The might have stopped at a travel agency and been given different info then what is given at the airport (we have seen them do this as well this season the episode Rob & Amber got toasted).

Tehy could be at an airport where teams have all been given different info and they get helped by someone who gives more accurate flight info.

Early teams could be told the plane is full and get the other flight, a later team comes in and room as cleared up (this has happened as well on the show, though so far not this season).

The first fight could be a layover flight that is delayed due to weather, the other could be a direct flight.

Take last season Two flight left at roughlyt eh same time and were supposed to arrrive at the same time, but one flight ended up being nearly an hour and a half late.

There are a host of possabilities that have nothing to do with ability.

For example, according to interviews with Teri & Ian, everyone tried for the early flight to Jburg. But the only team they managed to get on was Charla & Mirna. Allt he talk about risk and gamble were probably to either reassure the teams that something could happen to them and kil their lead, or discussion before they chose to try for it.

After all, they all tried to get to JBurg without reservations to get them to Dar Es Salaam.

I breifly remember reading a post by someone.. im pretty sure it was izad.. ages ago when he first told us all about malaysia.. he, or someone els, said something about spotting them at another location.. i think in malaysia.. and they had to go somewhere and c/m were in first again.. i think it had something to do with tarmac ok that doesnt really make sens.. but i rermember reading something like that

Did anyone watch TAR:Asia? They started in Malaysia. I wonder if they might use some of the same tasks? Off the top of my head, they repelled down the middle of a high-rise shopping mall and there was a detour where one of the tasks was painting these patterns on a cloth...bahtik I think it was called. I don't recall what the other detour task was though. I'll have to relook at episode 1 again.

Regarding the repelling, part of me always wonders if this season is so unphysical because they now that Charla would not be able to participate in a lot of the challenges. Can little people repel, I'm not even sure, so my thoughts might be based on something completely retarded.

I just looked at episode 1 of TAR:Asia and the detour was "Paint or Pot".

Paint.....trace, wax and paint a patter on silk...known as bahtik. They had to use the same colors as the example they were given. (in the Asian version, a couple of teams used the wrong colors and they had to redo theirs)

Pot.....using a pottery wheel one member had to mold the clay into a pot while the other person controled the wheel speed.

The other task on the episode was driving go-carts before heading to the pit stop.