It looks like Senator Harry Reid wants to pass the Senate version of health-care reform prior to Christmas. He has told his fellow senators that the Senate will be working week-ends to met the Christmas deadline. The last time I remember the House or Senate worked on the Sabbath, was during the legislation to pass T.A.R.P. T.A.R.P bailed out Wall Street and prolonged the recession on Main Street, U.S.A.The Latter-day Saints should know better than any other people, the importance of keeping the Sabbath Day holy. Senator Harry Reid, by keeping the Senate open for business on the Sabbath, rejects the God of Israel for the man-made god of secular humanism. We have learned from both secular history and the Scriptures that those who refuse to be ruled by God's Law will be ruled by tyrants.I would encourage my fellow LDS Conservatives to contact their Senators to tell Brother Harry that they plan to take the weekends off to be with their families and attend church or synagogue. It is more important to please The True and Living God than the unholy trinity of Lord Obama, King Harry and Queen Nancy.Didn't our ancestors fight a Revolution around 1776 to throw off a monarchy? It is time for the another revolution to throw off another monarchy that is leading this Nation to destruction.Thank-you and God bless.

I am here to try to better understand the history of mankind in the context of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I, therefore want to exchange ideas and have an intellectual and spitually enlightening discussion. Thank-you

jonholb55 wrote:It looks like Senator Harry Reid wants to pass the Senate version of health-care reform prior to Christmas. He has told his fellow senators that the Senate will be working week-ends to met the Christmas deadline. The last time I remember the House or Senate worked on the Sabbath, was during the legislation to pass T.A.R.P. T.A.R.P bailed out Wall Street and prolonged the recession on Main Street, U.S.A.The Latter-day Saints should know better than any other people, the importance of keeping the Sabbath Day holy. Senator Harry Reid, by keeping the Senate open for business on the Sabbath, rejects the God of Israel for the man-made god of secular humanism. We have learned from both secular history and the Scriptures that those who refuse to be ruled by God's Law will be ruled by tyrants.I would encourage my fellow LDS Conservatives to contact their Senators to tell Brother Harry that they plan to take the weekends off to be with their families and attend church or synagogue. It is more important to please The True and Living God than the unholy trinity of Lord Obama, King Harry and Queen Nancy.Didn't our ancestors fight a Revolution around 1776 to throw off a monarchy? It is time for the another revolution to throw off another monarchy that is leading this Nation to destruction.Thank-you and God bless.

A wonderful reminder that being a member of the LDS church and being a True Believer in Christ are not always one and the same thing. Anybody can be dunked in a pool of water and say 'Im a Mormon'. Not everybody lives for God and His Son.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. Benjamin Disraeli

jonholb55 wrote:It looks like Senator Harry Reid wants to pass the Senate version of health-care reform prior to Christmas. He has told his fellow senators that the Senate will be working week-ends to met the Christmas deadline. The last time I remember the House or Senate worked on the Sabbath, was during the legislation to pass T.A.R.P. T.A.R.P bailed out Wall Street and prolonged the recession on Main Street, U.S.A.The Latter-day Saints should know better than any other people, the importance of keeping the Sabbath Day holy. Senator Harry Reid, by keeping the Senate open for business on the Sabbath, rejects the God of Israel for the man-made god of secular humanism. We have learned from both secular history and the Scriptures that those who refuse to be ruled by God's Law will be ruled by tyrants.I would encourage my fellow LDS Conservatives to contact their Senators to tell Brother Harry that they plan to take the weekends off to be with their families and attend church or synagogue. It is more important to please The True and Living God than the unholy trinity of Lord Obama, King Harry and Queen Nancy.Didn't our ancestors fight a Revolution around 1776 to throw off a monarchy? It is time for the another revolution to throw off another monarchy that is leading this Nation to destruction.Thank-you and God bless.

what a classicare you for real?you want members in the US to dump on him? after ALLLLLL he is his gadianton mormon mates in Huntsman, Romney, Hatch et al have done to your country, in say, removing all your bill of rights and many constitutional elements, TARP, wars of oppression, but cos he's gonna put in the hard yards between now and christmas you want him Xd?

this beign the same church that indemonstrates its love for the US politicians and govt by fawning over them in conference talks and in pictures and at BYU?

get real

tell me how he is doing any less an essential service than half the other "essential services" empolyees working on a sunday between now and christmas?i mean, its not just nurses and ambulance drivers and police workig on sundayshey, i agree, he's a crookbut listening tthis is like being told Al Capone is a crook because he drinks coke. um

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are to "Be a light unto the Gentiles". So stated the Prophet Isaiah. The Saviour said that members of His Church are to "Be a city on a hill. That we shouldn't hide our light under a basket." Senator Harry Reid, by virtue of him being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, needs to set an example of Christian discipleship. Just remember what Alma the Elder told his converts at the Waters of Mormon. Rushing through ill-conceived laws before the American people can review them is WRONG! This is not a situation where you are pulling the ox out of the mire. The Founding Fathers of the United States sought divine guidance from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The government today should follow their example. When I read the Book of Mormon in Ether chapter 2, I am reminded that Jesus Christ is the God of the Land of Joseph. Anybody who is a usurper will be given a season to repent or be removed. God will not suffer that a king be raised up on the Promised Land. The only king that shall reign over this Land is the Holy Messiah.

I am here to try to better understand the history of mankind in the context of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I, therefore want to exchange ideas and have an intellectual and spitually enlightening discussion. Thank-you

jonholb55 wrote:Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are to "Be a light unto the Gentiles". So stated the Prophet Isaiah. The Saviour said that members of His Church are to "Be a city on a hill. That we shouldn't hide our light under a basket." Senator Harry Reid, by virtue of him being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, needs to set an example of Christian discipleship. Just remember what Alma the Elder told his converts at the Waters of Mormon. Rushing through ill-conceived laws before the American people can review them is WRONG! This is not a situation where you are pulling the ox out of the mire. The Founding Fathers of the United States sought divine guidance from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The government today should follow their example. When I read the Book of Mormon in Ether chapter 2, I am reminded that Jesus Christ is the God of the Land of Joseph. Anybody who is a usurper will be given a season to repent or be removed. God will not suffer that a king be raised up on the Promised Land. The only king that shall reign over this Land is the Holy Messiah.

As Dennis Kucinich said to Neel Kashkari, 'Ive no doubt you're working hard...what I want to know is who you're working for?'

Membership in the LDS church means at some stage Harry Reid was immersed in water and his name is on the church records. Thats it. For all you know he might openly worship Lucifer. The men who he works so hard for certainly do. If I was to rob your family of a few thousand dollars you would call me a criminal and probably say that I shouldn't be a member of Christ's church. Harry Reid was part of a plan to rob the American people of what so far amounts to nearly 24 Trillion dollars. It will bankrupt the US and cause untold misery and poverty and probably death for millions of people.

It was a Mormon, Jay Bybee, who as Deputy Attorney General, devised and legalised the horrific torture, including the sexual abuse of children, that the US now inflicts on thousands of innocent people. He's now a Federal Judge on the 9th circuit. Who helped him get there? Harry Reid. Im afraid there are demons in the Temple!

What does this tell you about membership in the church? Anyone can get it. And anyone can keep it as long as you're happy lying. It will be a curse to people like Harry Reid - and to all of the other members of the church who live a lie.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. Benjamin Disraeli

It seems to me that most people who read this topic are more interested in calling The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the individual members hypocrites than put their own lives in order. Remember when the woman who was taken in the act of adultery, certain people wanted to stone her according to the Law of Moses. The Saviour reminded the crowd that "Let him that is without sin, cast the first stone." Again, by virtue of our membership in the Lord's True and Living Church, the responsibility is ours to set an example of Christian discipleship, regardless of what others may do. We should spend less time condemning others and put our own houses in order. As the scriptures remind us, we have all sinned and come short of the Kingdom of God.Thank-You

I am here to try to better understand the history of mankind in the context of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I, therefore want to exchange ideas and have an intellectual and spitually enlightening discussion. Thank-you

jonholb55 wrote:It seems to me that most people who read this topic are more interested in calling The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the individual members hypocrites than put their own lives in order. Remember when the woman who was taken in the act of adultery, certain people wanted to stone her according to the Law of Moses. The Saviour reminded the crowd that "Let him that is without sin, cast the first stone." Again, by virtue of our membership in the Lord's True and Living Church, the responsibility is ours to set an example of Christian discipleship, regardless of what others may do. We should spend less time condemning others and put our own houses in order. As the scriptures remind us, we have all sinned and come short of the Kingdom of God.Thank-You

is that you Judge Bybee?- worried about being charged for encouraging criminal acts?or maybe King Noah back from he grave?

come on, are you serious

so you're suggesting everything in say ether Ch8 is null and void cos we need to get our own house in order?>

first of all its rather hypocritic never mind presumptuous to dump on someone calling evil what it is by telling them to get their house in order- the irony is not lost on me

second, these people ARE evil. they ARE the gadiantons we were warned about. the VERY same people we are instructed in scripture to resist oppose expose, root out and destroy

unless you can affirm otherwise, i'm saying you are hedging up the way protecting these wolves in their ministry of evil.

jonholb55 wrote:It seems to me that most people who read this topic are more interested in calling The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the individual members hypocrites than put their own lives in order. Remember when the woman who was taken in the act of adultery, certain people wanted to stone her according to the Law of Moses. The Saviour reminded the crowd that "Let him that is without sin, cast the first stone." Again, by virtue of our membership in the Lord's True and Living Church, the responsibility is ours to set an example of Christian discipleship, regardless of what others may do. We should spend less time condemning others and put our own houses in order. As the scriptures remind us, we have all sinned and come short of the Kingdom of God.Thank-You

I think you've twisted that to suit your own, er, peculiar reasoning. If I didn't believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was the Lord's authorized church there wouldn't be much point in making these comments. When it comes to criticism and judgement, believe me, I put myself at the front of the firing line. And remember, these men are public officials so we have a right to publically call them to account for their actions.

jonholb55 wrote:Again, by virtue of our membership in the Lord's True and Living Church, the responsibility is ours to set an example of Christian discipleship, regardless of what others may do.

So you think that Harry Reid and Jay Bybee have set a good example as members of Christ's church?

I get the impression you are addicted to the illusion that because there are 'mormons' in high public office its wonderful and gives the church a seal of approval. You seem unphased by their crimes and misdemeanors - very gadianton like.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. Benjamin Disraeli

In response to LukeAir 2008. I don't know that much about Judge Jay Bybee's record so I am unable to make a comprehensive statement concerning him. Senator Harry Reid is a different story. He is in the news almost every day. It seems to me that Latter-day Saints who aspire to high office move to the left of Center (Mitt Romney) or far-left of center (Harry Reid). Even the Deseret News has moved left of center. (This is probably one of the reasons that their circulation is declining.) We all need to review what the Latter-day Prophets have said about the Constitution and take it to heart. That way, we can be more responsible citizens of the United States.God bless and Merry Christmas to all my fellow LDS Conservatives.

I am here to try to better understand the history of mankind in the context of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I, therefore want to exchange ideas and have an intellectual and spitually enlightening discussion. Thank-you

I think this is about the best of what latter-day prophets have said about the US Constitution while they were president of the Church.

D&C 98: 4-7 4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them. 5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. 6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; 7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

D&C 101: 77, 8077 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles; 80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

D&C 109:5454 Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.

“The General Constitution of our country is good, and a wholesome government could be framed upon it, for it was dictated by the invisible operations of the Almghty....” (President Brigham Young, July 4, 1854, Journal of Discourses 7:13-14)

“We believe that the Constitution of the United States was given by inspiration of God” (President John Taylor, April 9, 1882, Journal of Discourses, 23:53)

“[The Church’s] members are under divine commandments to revere the Constitution as a heaven-inspired instrument.” (Preident Wilford Woodruff, December 12, 1889, Messages of the First Presidency.)

“By revelation to Joseph Smith, the Prophet, the Lord declared that he had established the Constitution of the United States through “wise men raised up unto this very purpose.” President (Joseph F. Smith, March 26, 1907, Messages of the First Presidency, 4:150)

“...we believe that the men who wrote the Constitution of this country were inspired of the living God.” (President Heber J. Grant, October 1919 General Conference)

“I thank God that we believe that the constitution of our country was given to us under the inspiration of the living God,...” (Heber J. Grant, October 1924 General Conference)

"I am saying to you that to me the Constitution of the United States of America is just as much from m Heavenly Father as the Ten Commandments." (President George Albert Smith, April 1948 General Conference)

“Next to being one in worshiping god, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States,” (President David O. McKay, February 1956, The Instructor, 91:34)

"[Above] all else, strive to support good and conscientious candidates of either party who are aware of the great dangers inherent in communism, and who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our founding fathers."(President David O. McKay, October 1962 General Conference)

"We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us."(David O. McKay, April 1966 General Conference)

“We urge members of the Church and all Americans to begin now to reflect more intently on the meaning and importance of the Constitution, and of adherence to its principles. (President Harold B. Lee, November 1973, The First Presidency Statement on the Constitution, The Ensign)

“In the revelation he [the Lord] gave to Joseph Smith, he said [D&C 98:4-6]. (President Spencer W. Kimball, April 1974 General Conference)

“I testify that America is a choice land. God raised up the founding fathers of the United States of America and established the Constitution.” (President Ezra Taft Benson, October 2, 1988 General Conference)

“The Constitution under which we live....is our God-inspired national safeguard insuring freedom and liberty, justice and equality before the law.” (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2001 General Conference)

The following are some statements about the U.S. Constitution were made by Apostles just since 1960.

"...God declared that the United States Constitution was divinely inspired for the specific purpose of eliminating bondage and the violation of the rights and protection which belong to "all flesh""(Ezra Taft Benson, October 1961 General Conference)

"God [has] placed a mandate upon his people to befriend and defend the constitutional laws of the land and see that the rights and privileges of all mankind are protected."(Ezra Taft Benson, October 1961 General Conference)

."The Constitution is part of every Latter-day Saint’s religious faith."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1962 General Conference)

"[We] must return to a love and respect for the basic spiritual concepts upon which this nation has been established. We must study the Constitution and the writings of the founding fathers."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1962 General Conference)

"Every Latter-day Saint has spiritual obligations in four basic areas: his home, his church, his job, and his citizenship responsibility......Are we doing our duty in these important fields? What about our citizenship responsibility–our obligation to safeguard our freedom and preserve the Constitution?...We should continue to come to the aid of patriots, programs, and organizations that are trying to save our Constitution through every legal and moral means possible."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1963 General Conference)

"And while the gentiles established the Constitution, we have a divine mandate to preserve it. But unfortunately today in this freedom struggle, many gentiles are showing greater wisdom in their generation than the children of light."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1965 General Conference)

"The Lord raised up the Founding Fathers. He it was who established the Constitution of this land - ..."(Ezra Taft Benson, October 1965 General Conference)

"The Prophet Joseph Smith declared it will be the elders of Israel who will step forward to help save the Constitution, not the Church."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1965 General Conference)

"In the field of public life, it [the kingdom of God] must be a continuing revolution against proposals that contradict the fundamental principles as laid down in the Constitution of the United States, which was written by men whom God raised up for this very purpose." (Harold B. Lee, October 1970 General Conference)

"May we be wise–prayerfully wise–in the electing of those who would lead us. May we select only those who understand and will adhere to constitutional principles. To do so, we need to understand these principles ourselves.....We should understand the Constitution as the founders meant that it should be understood. We can do this by reading their words about it, such as those contained in the Federalist Papers. Such understanding is essential it we are to preserve what God has given us.(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1976 General Conference)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land."(Ezra Taft Benson, April 1976 General Conference)

Per my observations, Senator Reid has criticized a former Church President to the media, supported abortion and government funding of abortion, and promoted programs and legislation that violate the US Constitution. I can't help thinking that his excommunication, especially if it became public knowledge, would send an important message to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

lundbaek wrote:Per my observations, Senator Reid has criticized a former Church President to the media, supported abortion and government funding of abortion, and promoted programs and legislation that violate the US Constitution. I can't help thinking that his excommunication, especially if it became public knowledge, would send an important message to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Harry Reid is an embarrassment to me and I hesitate to be reminded he is a member of the church of Jesus Christ. I once believed members of the church were of one mind (a Zion people) until I discovered there were Mormons and then there are Latter-day Saints. Harry Reid is a Mormon. He is not acting like a Latter-day Saint. He definitely is not defending the Constitution. In fact he is actively destroying what remains of it.

I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. Benjamin Disraeli

A response to "Captain of 100", I had an interesting experience while I was on my mission in the early 1970's. Four of us missionaries had a rather deep doctrinal question. We sent a letter to the First Presidency about our concerns. About three weeks later. we got a rather angry letter from our mission president. Questions were to be directed to the mission president's office and not to the First Presidency. If members are concerned about the action of Church members or the actions of the Church itself, they need to address these concerns to their Bishop or Branch President. Another good outlet would be to send a letter to the editor of a local newspaper. In all cases, such concerns should be addressed in a civil tone with sustainable facts from reliable sources.I have also been concerned about the action of some Church members and how it will reflect negetively on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, especially when these members are not living in Zion but in Modern-day Babylon. It is difficult to live by Zion standards but if we want to establish Zion, we are going to have to do just that.God bless

I am here to try to better understand the history of mankind in the context of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I, therefore want to exchange ideas and have an intellectual and spitually enlightening discussion. Thank-you

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.

p51-mustang wrote:Wasnt the Federal Rerserve Act also snuck through congress on Christmas eve in 1913?

What a coincidence huh... both the 'Federal Reserve Act' of 1913 and last week's 'health care bill' were signed into law on December 23 (almost Christmas eve). The two most heinous and unconstitutional pieces of legislation to ever get a stamp of approval!

"Truth is in history, but history is not the truth." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.

Don't worry Luke and Lund... she's just upset that anyone would dare mention Mitt Romney's name and the word 'ex-communicated' in the same sentence. But facts are facts and the fact is, Romney compromised his values and integrity as a Latter Day Saint for political popularity and points.

"Truth is in history, but history is not the truth." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.

So if they did have stewardship over the matter......you are suggesting that it would be appropriate for internet discussion???

No...I did not mean to infer that. It is NOT appropriate for us to judge any member publicly and discuss whether or not they should be excommunicated. As for you Col., your are wrong....simply put. I have told you that before in private conversation, but I guess since you decided to "draw me out", it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney. It has to do with what is our stewardship and then, if we did have that stewardship, I'm sure it would NOT be discussed publicly.

natasha wrote:No...I did not mean to infer that. It is NOT appropriate for us to judge any member publicly and discuss whether or not they should be excommunicated. As for you Col., your are wrong....simply put. I have told you that before in private conversation, but I guess since you decided to "draw me out", it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney. It has to do with what is our stewardship and then, if we did have that stewardship, I'm sure it would NOT be discussed publicly.

I was just razzin' ya a little... come on now. But as for me being wrong... about what? Mitt's compromising his values and integrity as a Latter Day Saint for political popularity and points? Sorry... that's true. I can cite several examples if you'd like.

"Truth is in history, but history is not the truth." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila

Dec. 29, 2009 (EIRNS)—EIR investigators have reviewed the history of the evolution of the current Nazi Senate Health Care bill, and determined that none other than Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is responsible for inserting the unconstitutional, fascist clause which seeks to forbid any future Congress from changing the provisions relating to Obama's T-4 Board, known in the bill as the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB). The clause states that "it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, or amendment," to change the recommendations of IMAB, or to repeal it.

The clause is identical to clauses the British inserted into the Lisbon Treaty for Europe, in an effort to destroy the sovereignty of all the European nations in perpetuity.

The dictatorial IMAB, for its part, is explicitly given the charge to reduce Medicare spending—a prescription which it intends to carry out by rulings which will deny funding for medical care, ranging from diagnostic testing, to long-term nursing care, to hospital readmissions. The implementation of such a policy is nothing less than Hitler-style genocide.

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.

Thank you for stating the obvious! And in case you hadn't noticed, this is not the Church, it's the LDS Freedom Forum - and I was exercising my right to freedom of speech and expression of opinion. Political leaders are publically accountable and should be publically criticized (or praised)

Celebrity worship can seriously damage your (spiritual) health!

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. Benjamin Disraeli

lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.

Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated.

Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.

Tash you are correct. We can't comment on a persons membership and shouldn't.

However in the broader context of this discussion, and this web site, if you want to be technical, for those interested, the order of things is that Apart from his Bishop, High Priests Group Leader, Home Teachers and Stake President, you'd need to track down a 14 or 15yr old boy in his local ward.

HE has Stewardship.

Section 20, Doctrine & Covenants, vv 53-54The teacher's duty is to watch over the church always, and be with and strengthen them;And see that there is no iniquity in the church, neither hardness with each other, neither lying, backbiting, nor evil speaking;

We also have 3Nephi 18 28 And now behold, this is the commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to apartake of my flesh and blood bunworthily, when ye shall minister it; 29 For whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and ablood bunworthily eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood ye shall forbid him.

Our group now extends to the Deacons who pass, and the Priests who Bless the sacrament.

Now, anyone know which ward he resides in, and who wants to relocate?

I hope he, like I, repents of whatever he is doing wrong. Maybe he will have his Paul on the road to Damascus moment??

Oh, can I add, I've recently been to VegasIt is vile beyond reproach or comprehensionI know he is a senator for Nevada, is his area including Vegas?Personally, if i were their senator, I could not lead the people without standing to shut down the vice and the casinos.they prey on human misery.no LDS should consider it appropriate to bring up children in that cityi'd be a 1-term senator no doubt. but if you aren't fighting it, you are enriching it. plain and simple

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