Jules my apologies for continuing the discussion in regards to Fasted Training; I know you have made it clear that it is not for you & I respect that. I will just clarify some extremely misleading things in regards to the â€œSports Dietitians Aus. Fact Sheetâ€ then regardless of whether people get it or not I will drop the subject.

clackers wrote:Ah, I think you've just outed yourself as a believer in Fat Adaptation ... some variant of low carb, high fat or ketogenic diets.This has been specifically dismissed by the associaton of Australian sports dieticians, amongst others:http://www.sportsdietitians.com.au/reso ... rmance.pdf

Hi clackers, the Fact Sheet that you quote has nothing to do with Fasted Training if you read it again you will notice that the Active Subjects are eating a high fat diet. Therefore, the negative results were a foregone conclusion because you cannot â€œEATâ€your way, to the adaption of burning body fat for fuel.

Consider the following:Eating is a fundamentally Anabolic Process; people who eat excessively get bigger and body fat accumulates.

In exact contrastâ€¦

Fasting is a Catabolic Process; if a person goes without food, then within about 3 days virtually all of their bodily functions will be fuelled by body fat. As you can see getting body fat to supply a personâ€™s â€œBasicâ€ energy requirements is in fact very easy and completely natural. The challenge for athletes who desire these attributes is to train their bodies to delivery this energy both sooner & at higher rates of demand; while preserving the integrity of their drive muscles.

What I have just pointed out is blatantly obvious! Why it is that the Australian Sports Dieticians and many others endorse studies that cannot succeed and call it proof that fat is useless as a performance aid; is a very interesting subject. But in any event you & many others have been steered towards an unsupported conclusion.

In closing, I think itâ€™s is a real tragedy that this forum is so polarised that a single aspect of my Training Routine; Fasted Training is met with such a high degree of ridicule. There is no doubt that the Mainstream Methodology of Training has its merits but there are also alternative methods that can reap great benefits. Clearly, inquisitive discussions on any such views are generally unwelcome

Dizz wrote: I will just clarify some extremely misleading things in regards to the â€œSports Dietitians Aus. Fact Sheetâ€ then regardless of whether people get it or not I will drop the subject.

Dizz, respeck, you seem sincere in your beliefs, are not trying to sell triglyceride additives, and you don't want to press the issue further, but I have to say in my right of reply that IMHO what you suggested was unsound.

See how far you'd get with any professional sports team advocating not eating 3 days before physical activity. Or your GP, for that matter.

The academics quoted by the Sports Dieticians weren't testing preparation by fasting by itself (since that would be regarded as ridiculous) but leaving out carbs until one final day of loading. The results were no improvement of aerobic activity, and a deterioration of anerobic.

It is hard to see how leaving out that final day of carb intake as you suggest could result in anything else but worse performance.

It's general practice for athletes to load up on carbohydrates before an event (rather than three gigantic meals daily, preferably six or so smaller portions to keep the blood sugar nice and even rather than experience spikes), during the event (up to 60g per hour with complex carbs like maltodextrin as well as sugar to keep the insulin response down) and afterwards (with some protein to speed up the glycogen replenish process ... expensive supplements are available, but a choccy Big M would do it too!).

Normally, I like a widespread of opinion on most topics, but not potentially dangerous medical advice, I'm afraid.