a reply to: AnkhMorpork>>> I think so. I think that they've adducted people for years, maybe centuries or even aeons and have
used humans for purposes on distant worlds. Maybe we were even genetically manipulated to create a better race of beings more suitable for their
purposes. And I believe they've harvested genetic material for breeding as well. Given that, I think they have agents among us now at the highest
positions in government and industry steering us towards goals they have in mind. Are we mining gold for them on mars or elsewhere? Serving as slaves
or soldiers or technicians? I don't know but I believe our government does. And our elite. I had a few dreams that resonated and it involved aliens.
One was that I was abducted by human agents serving aliens. They were aloof and arrogant, and looked on earth humans as primitive and backward
cousins. Like we might look at stone age people or people from a thousand years ago. They looked human, but their eyes were different. Another dream
had people being encouraged to sign up and be tested to be transported off world and given positions on better alien worlds. I resisted it but was
left wondering what it would be like living in a mostly abandoned planet Earth. Then I couldn't help thinking that maybe they just wanted us off the
Earth for other reasons. The dream about the strange eyed human aliens. That was pretty intense. I remember them explaining that they could jump
through space using our planets magnetic poles as worm holes. And they had many of us monitored. Indeed they had monitoring devices everywhere and
were studying and recording Earth's animal and plant life. And when I asked them where they were from, they said derogatively, from Earth.

Oh i grasp the premise just fine, having read rather a few documents on the topic such as the Branton files, The Grand Cosmic Conspiracy, War in
Heaven, reports on Dulce, not to mention the numerous other documents reports and pictures pertaining to the subject.

Its great reading, and may even contain a grain of truth here or there, but at the end of the day none of it can be substantiated and is probobly
fictitious and/or fabricated.

Humanity these days is ready to swallow just about anything considering our organised religious practices have failed or are failing and have been
shown up for the hypocritical non logically consistent bullcrap that they are, is it any wonder really?

We are simply attempting to replace our concept of a creator with aliens, mix in some ancient astronaut theory, spread some Von Däniken, Lazar on top
and this is what we are left with.

The issue with your initial concept is what the benifit would be for "them" to have us go on a "tour".

They have the ability to travel throughout the galaxy, which means their technology is clearly far beyond us. The only purpose for keeping us alive is
for study, not to help us along.

We have nothing to offer them except our planetary resources, which we also have no way of stopping them from taking.

Let's visualize this from our perspective, seeing how it's the only one we know concretely.

Let's say we were a space-traveling race; why would we travel? It would cost a great deal of resources, time, energy, and funds. Our society relies on
power-houses like governments or giant corporations to be able to achieve such feats, and it's ALWAYS for personal gain, not simply innocent
knowledge.

Hisorically we decimate anything we invade, whether that be new land, new environments, and so forth. We use up resources and we kill whatever else is
there either unintentionally or intentionally.

We have never tried to put a lot of effort into really helping another advanced species, and by advanced I mean something like dolphins, intelligent
birds, other apes.

We try to fix what we broke, sure. we may have small groups that do a tiny bit of research and gain a bit of knowledge, but we don't supply hundreds
of millions of dollars into advancing dolphins, despite their clear intelligence, social hierarchies, and so forth.

It would be completely unreasonable for us to do so too.

Why would it be different with a race that's far beyond our abilities to help us along?

In my opinion the concept is actually a bit arrogant. We simply aren't that special as a race.

Comparatively, with the dolphin scenario and bringing them into our enviornment, the difference in their alien environment would likely be far more
extreme where just walking into their spaceship could kill us.

The only way I could see a human being being on an alien planet is if we were taken forcefully, and kept in a terrarium.

originally posted by: Bedlam
What if we're on other worlds, and so far there aren't any ETs? At least, not at more than a level of maybe a dog in intelligence?

How'd we get there?

Or rather, how did we get here?

By superintelligent design from an original intent, and by that I'm referring to the particular configuration of our own Earth-Moon-Sun system within
the context of the solar system and galactic and intergalactic cosmological unity of which we are an imbedded and intrinsic part, included and not
excluded, for some strange reason that we can't hardly even begin to fathom.

Ultimately, the appeal to alien intervention falls mute in the face of the larger framework within which we are all immersed ie: wherein they also
evolved.

This is the place where the creator left His fingerprint and also rendered a standard of universal truth and justice and individual liberty even in
the face of powers and principalities both of this world and of others in the starry heavens.

Somehow, imbedded within the grand design, there is a principal at it's heart which is capable of protecting us from predation and it makes no
difference if numerous alien races have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, or as unwitting agents ie: intended for the human
being to be slaves for whom the last laugh is handed to the little man, to the oppressed and downtrodden.

Oh what a mighty sense of humor, and irony, mirth and charm that God has, and for some strange and inscrutable and rather solipsistic reason, it's a
joke that arose and arises here of all places, which takes first us, and then the otherworldly PTB by surprise where it may be said that the last
shall be first and the first, last.

When the bell is rung it rings out throughout all the spheres where what is loosed on Earth is loosed in Heaven and where what is bound on Earth is
bound in heaven also.

It both transcends and defies all "hardware" and all technological innovation and it's enough to make an Alien even one that's lacking in tear ducts,
cry, and be consoled also by the loving hand of God.

And you just can't unring a rung bell, and once the configuration has transformed in the twinkling of an eye, it can never go back to it's original
configuration, so it's the kind of joke and good-willed, good-natured sense of humor, mirth and charm, that just keeps giving in one form or another,
until we become one with the love of God who punk'd us all and who's reign is eternal and everlasting.

What the PTB fear the most is the revelation of the sons of God that capable of redeeming the creation from the grip of the evil one in a final battle
that's capable of binding the strong man and throwing chains around the beast in the system, armed with nothing but eternal optimism and hope for a
brighter future and hearts that are filled with the Spirit of the Living God.

Then, by divine proportion down comes the new Jerusalem to the Earth as if prepared like a Husband to a Bride, as we eventually join the longgggg
Earth of Civilized Worlds, as if arriving at a great party and celebration where we ourselves were the long-awaited guest of honor.

We don't need, ultimately, to create our own FTL program, because when the time comes, the mountain will come to us and indeed we could find that "we"
in another form already populates that domain. It could take a long time because we have so much learning and growth to do as a race and
"civilization" but it's a process so once a conversation gets started, even if only as a mere inkling, then we're already well on our way to a better
world and an almost infinite series of others already inhabited.

Oh no they manufacture them these days when needed. They know how to build them. but they cant release it yet.It might be soon though since they are
doing experiments in the white world dealing with anti grav.

The issue with your initial concept is what the benifit would be for "them" to have us go on a "tour".

Pets. Circus exhibits. Real-life monsters in alien monster movies. Athletes in interspecific games, bought, sold and bred like racehorses.
Gladiators. Mercenaries in toy wars got up for entertainment. Novelty domestic servants to wait on alien millionaires. Harem guards and
administrators. Field agents on other Earthlike worlds where conditions are inimical to their clients. Ambassadors to other primitive oxygen-breathing
non-aquatic cultures like our own. Slaves and trustees on far-flung extraterrestrial plantations where the alien equivalents of tea and coffee are
produced (because rich alien consumers, like terrestrial ones, pay more for natural products raised and processed using traditional methods). Colonial
administrators for alien imperialists. Artists whose works are hugely prized for their primitive 'authenticity' and the insights they offer into the
common predicament of all living things. Dream generators creating otherwise unimaginable vicarious experiences for alien lotus-eaters. Living
sacraments of an exotic religion.

Not sure how much stock I would put into project Camalot but it is a good read and anything to do with the breakaway civilization is but for what it
is worth I do believe those giving testimony DO believe it and for the majority of them they are no liar's, my concern is planted memory's, government
mind control technique's and other method's that could have masked true knowledge and replaced it with this outlandish sounding information, however
if I am wrong then we are truly ruled by a criminal organization whom need to be brought down, sadly they have all the toy's as well. youtu.be... (the full link let's them look at the other video's related to it rather than embedding it).

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