WP is in better shape than blackberry. I think blackberry will be catering more to businesses. They have to work hard to get apps, because app makers need to be persuaded rather well to make apps for BB at this point.

The one interesting thing i noticed, was that the BB Browser supports flash.

Considering its not available on iOS/WP, and its been dropped on Android, where did it come from? Or is it the old discontinued version that is still available only in the UK Android marketplace, to support BBC iPlayer?

It will be interesting to see the reaction to the Q10. Seems like a good business phone, but surely having to use the top half touch screen for most navigation is going to be a very wierd experience. Imagine using only the top half of an iOS/Android/WP device 90% of the time, doesn't sound fun to me.

That is true but unless Blackberry actually manage to achieve decent sales with BB10 how can we actually assess that they have something worth saying? The launch event and all the surrounding hype is not the time to assess that, it is in two quarters when we see if BB10 actually manages to make a splash in the market. What if it bombs? Are we going to say "wow that is the lesson to follow?" I doubt it.

How refreshing (and ironic) that someone on wp forums points to sales numbers as a real metric of success ! I completely agree, except the last part... wp is already in the phase of "wow, that is a lesson to follow", with the wp platform, right now:

Wp sales are poor, and there -IS- a lesson at hand. As to why, if microsoft, bb, android, or iphone are paying attention, that will be the key to unlocking more sales.

That's true - Blackberry only does Blackberry. MS on the other hand has an OS, a gaming ecosystem, Office, online services (Outlook, Skydrive), Skype and I'm sure some more, in addition to WP8 and Surface.

I think one main issue is that in order for windows phone 8 to gain more traction, windows 8 needs to first, and it is, but it had a bumpy launch...Sure it sold well, but people have a negative perception of it. (Even though its a fantastic OS). I understand people not liking it on a desktop or a laptop but on a touchscreen I feel that it is easily the most productive, fluid, and best layout of any touch-based OS. Its funny because as much complaints as you will hear with people with windows 8, I have yet to hear one when it comes to a touchscreen because it rocks on one...I have one...I should know.

So back to the point...Windows 8 needs to catch on and then Microsoft will get the magical mystical apple halo effect where people will be like "I use win8, and office, and I have an xbox, so why don't I buy a windows phone and have them all sync together...?" The smart thing about Microsoft is that even though they are growing slowly, they are trending upward, the same can't be said for RIM and probably soon to be iOS. It seems apple has peaked and they won't go any higher than they are now. Google is the main competitor Microsoft and Apple need to worry about most.

I agree with this to an extent. I think wider adoption of Windows 8 will help Windows Phone because the tile interface will be familiar to people. It's going to take a little while for people to embrace it though it seems, but I believe they will in the end.

For me it isn't a factor. My primary computer is a Mac OS X machine and I have a Thinkpad on Windows 7 that I am unlikely to update to Win 8 anytime soon (it hardly gets used these days) Doesn't matter to me. Unless Microsoft gives me some amazing synergistic flow between my phone and PC, I don't see myself putting the Mac down or even updating to Windows 8 in the near future.

socialcarpet "Unless Microsoft gives me some amazing synergistic flow between my phone and PC, I don't see myself putting the Mac down or even updating to Windows 8 in the near future."

Actually that's the cool thing, they already do. The other day I was in class and was like, I need this list I made on onenote on my phone so I can buy my book. I just uploaded my list to skydrive and just pulled it down on my phone. What was also impressive was when I got my new replacement focus s, cause my other focus s mic died and I just logged in with my Microsoft account and bam, everything synced to it, all contacts, all my mail for various mailboxes, facebook, ridiculously simple and easy. Windows 8 was better, I had a windows 8 beta on my old laptop and I got a new tablet, logged in and BAM! all of my apps, facebook, contacts, calendars synced and mail I just had to set up in 5 minutes. it was impressive! It also syncs with my xbox via smartglass. I think MS is doing a better job of cross-platform integration than any other company, including apple, which is what their known for.

I actually think Microsoft made some great strides with w8. Having the same operating system throughout, rather than having a disjointed mobile os and a desktop os. I just bought a nokia 920 and a lot of what is toted in z10 is available with w8. I have been impressed. I do agree that MS seems to have a "let's do this and see how it goes" attitude rather than selling out to the WP. Lack of marketing was a pet peeve of mine with BB, now with W8 I would say the marketing doesn't do it justice.