RR just either say it was a friend, drop the amount you got or say it was a dream LOLOL]]>
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Author: rickysroseSubject: 370753Posted: May 16 2014 at 6:01pm

diane you know bhm can be messy lol

I'm a bhm addict, I told myself I'd only peek in on the Solange situation and I've been here all day :(

Accepting the "status quo" that women get paid less because "that's the way things are" or that we "should mind our own biz" is borders on mental "laziness". Why should I accept injustice just because its too hard for me to change things? Mentality like that will keep you always in last place in the race of life....

For me, the choices I make on an individual level are far more important to my activism. So it's not strange at all to me to say that certain things aren't worth it because no one has unlimited energy.

I agree with this. But this woman placed importance on this issue in her life, that's why its kind of pointless to try to govern what others do like modeless is attempting with her first post. I think there would be a different reaction if she said, "i personally put more importance on things other than salary."]]>
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Author: Diane (35)Subject: 370753Posted: May 16 2014 at 4:12pm

rickysrose wrote:

I'd tell a personal story about how I learned and profited in this Corp pay game but bhm isnt quite the place

why not? come on i have a box of east indian mangos in the kitchen, i'll send you 2. you (and others) drop hints abt corp. culture/playing in the YT man's world /advice to others all the time. and you know i love a good story.

I took a class that focused partly on salary negotiation. You want to get paid? Rule number 1 is be informed. That's why i can't get behind this whole"mind your business" thing. It takes you no where and makes your salary negotiation tactic suffer. Negotiate both hard and soft benefits.]]>
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Author: maysay1Subject: 370753Posted: May 16 2014 at 4:03pm

I think it depends on how you view the world.

For me, the choices I make on an individual level are far more important to my activism. So it's not strange at all to me to say that certain things aren't worth it because no one has unlimited energy.

I think chalking the perspective up to ignorance and a lack of "real world" experience is condescending.

telling someone they simply don't work hard enough when they do the same work is condescending. it's the same logic used to counter Affirmative Action, fair pay acts, minimum wage, or most social programs....etc. etc.

I think telling someone they'll understand when they have a "real job" or start their career or have "real" experience is condescending. If a person has worked for pay at any time in their life they 1)have had a real job and 2)have likely already experienced wage discrimination. Therefore they've had enough experience to form an opinion on how they see the issue in relation to themselves.

Modeless isn't a 13 year old with no job experience. She's a grown up who has received a paycheck at some point in her life. No need to automatically discount her perspective just because you (general you) don't feel it's "real" enough.

Are black women MIA in the equal pay debate?

By Marjorie Valbrun Updated: May 16 at 12:32 pm

Black women are among the lowest paid workers in the United States. In many professions they’re near the bottom of the pay scale. They earn less than white men – on average just 64 cents for every dollar paid to white men – and less than women overall, who earn on average 77 cents for every dollar earned by white men. And despite far outnumbering black men in the labor market, black women also earn less than their low-wage male counterparts.

Nevertheless, African-American women are heads of households in larger numbers than any other group. Some 4,078,457 U.S. households are headed by black women, and 38.1 percent, or 1,553,892, of those families live below the poverty level, according to the National Partnership for Women and Families. An analysis by the organization using U.S. Census Bureau figures clearly indicates that black women are holding down jobs that don’t pay them enough to adequately support their families. Many of these women work in low-wage service industry jobs. Even in black households headed by two married parents, more than 50 percent of married mothers bring in half or more than half of their families’ income, the analysis found.

These numbers have far-reaching implications for black families, according to an issue brief, “How pay in equity hurts women of color,” prepared by the Center for American Progress. Closing the wage gap is key to reducing poverty among women of color, including Hispanic women who earn 54 cents for every dollar earned by white men – and their families. Yet when it comes to policy debates about fair pay and gender gaps, income inequality and growing poverty, black women don’t appear to be visibly out front in large numbers on these important issues.

It’s unclear if they’re choosing not to lead the charge, or if they’re being ignored by the media or drowned out by louder factions in the pitched political battles over fair pay. Some may simply be too busy working and others may fear losing their jobs in a tight labor market.

By many accounts, the 15 black female members of Congress and the heads of black women’s civil rights organizations have worked hard to improve the economic status of women of color, but none has emerged as a leading voice on this issue.

“I just don’t think that black women are covered enough on these issues,” says Melanie L. Campbell, president and CEO of the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation and convener of the Black Women’s Roundtable. “Part of it is we have to be more vocal and make sure we’re more organized and getting more actively involved when we have the opportunities.”

Campbell considers U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge, who chairs the 43-member Congressional Black Caucus, one of the strongest leaders in Congress on fair pay issues. Still, she says, “We just don’t have enough women in Congress.”

In April, Campbell’s organization released a major report assessing the political, economic, and social status of black women. The report was given to the White House Council on Women and Girls, the U.S. Department of Labor’s Women’s Bureau, and to members of the Congressional Black Caucus and influential women’s groups around the country. The White House council is led by two women of color: Valerie Jarrett, senior adviser to President Obama, is chairwoman and Tina Tchen serves as executive director.

“It wasn’t an academic exercise, it was organizing exercise,” she says of the report. “Women in the states are using it to tell our story and to find solutions. The report helps us to really focus in on income inequality efforts that were working on and to do so from a black women’s perspective.”

E. Faye Williams, chairwomen of the National Congress of Black Women, Inc. was among the women present at the White House last month when President Obama signed an executive order strengthening enforcement of equal pay laws by federal contractors. She says the work of her organization and national affiliates often fly under the radar of media that don’t see black women’s issues as mainstream issues.

“We don’t have as much access to the press and are rarely asked our opinions about these issues,” she says.

Black women, particularly those who aren’t white-collar professionals, experience the unfairness of unequal pay on a different level than white women who earn less than their male counterparts. While black women earn on average $599 weekly compared to $665 earned by black men, the pay gap between them is much smaller because black men’s earnings are also lower than that of white men and women. African American women are paid 89 percent of what African American men are paid, but just 64 percent of what white men are paid, according to the American Association of University Women’s (AAUW) annual report, “The Simple Truth.”

Building and maintaining strong black families, especially those not headed by two working parents, requires lots of focus and energy at a time when those families are still teetering from the aftereffects of The Great Recession. So it’s a good thing that black women’s pay is being discussed at all, even if they aren’t the ones leading the discussion. Still, it’s important that they stay involved in the fight, says Carol Joyner, director of the Labor Project for Working Families and a member of the Black Women’s Roundtable.

“You do see organizations headed by white women disproportionately represented but there are lots of women of color behind them,” she says. “It’s important to look at the whole picture, who’s behind the message and engaged on these issues. There are huge coalitions working behind the scenes and many have people of color leading them on these issues; the justice and civil rights groups, the labor unions as well.”

“These distinctions about the racial income gap are being made because there are more women of color involved in these conversations, and increasingly engaged on these issues,” she says. “This is an opportunity and a moment for white-led advocacy groups to diversify their hiring practices but it’s also an opportunity for more groups led by people of color to make equal pay and other working family issues one of their core issues.”

I think chalking the perspective up to ignorance and a lack of "real world" experience is condescending.

telling someone they simply don't work hard enough when they do the same work is condescending. it's the same logic used to counter Affirmative Action, fair pay acts, minimum wage, or most social programs....etc. etc.

Everyone doesn't have to be bothered by everything, even if it directly affects them.

Not knocking awareness at all. But we all choose where to spend our emotional energy. Some people don't want to spend it on futile endeavors and would rather focus on something else.

True, some people are leaders most are followers. I'm not offended more saddened. But I'm not disappointed because some views will only be changed when life slaps them up a little.

And why do you that it is futile?The women's suffrage movement wouldn't have happened if everyone just said, " Let's give up this is futile".

I guess it just depends on how you look at the world. Every issue is not going to be resolved. So I spend my time on that which is more important to me. I think fighting against wage discrimination is pretty futile, so it's not something I'll spend time on in my own life aside from voting. It affects me but I'm meh about it so I'll let others fight the good fight.

I think parenting in poverty is a scourge on this earth, while other think it's futile to even think about addressing it. But I spend my energy on it because it's important to me.

Everyone doesn't have to be bothered by everything, even if it directly affects them.

Not knocking awareness at all. But we all choose where to spend our emotional energy. Some people don't want to spend it on futile endeavors and would rather focus on something else.

True, some people are leaders most are followers. I'm not offended more saddened. But I'm not disappointed because some views will only be changed when life slaps them up a little.

And why do you that it is futile?The women's suffrage movement wouldn't have happened if everyone just said, " Let's give up this is futile".

I guess it just depends on how you look at the world. Every issue is not going to be resolved. So I spend my time on that which is more important to me. I think fighting against wage discrimination is pretty futile, so it's not something I'll spend time on in my own life aside from voting. It affects me but I'm meh about it so I'll let others fight the good fight.

I think parenting in poverty is a scourge on this earth, while other think it's futile to even think about addressing it. But I spend my energy on it because it's important to me.

I need my future husband to get paid fair wages too ya know? At this rate his ass will be making 80 some cents compared to his yt male counterparts.]]>
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Author: EPITOMESubject: 370753Posted: May 16 2014 at 3:26pm

and i don't mean ignorance in like a b*tchy way but literally just not knowing. and honestly until i read the Lily Ledbetter case and worked on some similar sh*t, I didn't know either. Bc your employer will tell you they're paying you the same as everyone else but not. They'll lie.

eta: or they'll make up reasons why--like that article that said reviewers find more errors and are harsher on your work bc you're black. it's all very subtle sh*t especially since most people never discuss their wages at work. so how do you even find out? it's all very hidden under "performance" reviews and ish. I mean this woman is paid 100k LESS. some people don't ever make that in a year. Can you imagine?