Who cares about ATII do!they are the reason the video cards are as much as they are and not moreif ATI would get their head out of their ass on driver support, the prices might come down even lowerI give Nvidia props for driver support, but I don't give props for doing there imiation of Intel 5 or 6 years ago.Paying 400 bucks for a video card.. that's got to stop.

ati's get better performance because they can throw on like 7 textures on in one pass or something while nvidia's can only do 3you should get equal performance on a gf4but i'm looking forward to the radeon 9700, if its not too $$