Besides Consumer Confidence up, Optimism up for the next four years, Home Prices up, and now GDP revised up 2.7% for Q3, Conservatives will not admit the economy is in recovery. . Of course, there's no mention on Foxnews.com on the 2.7% revised data point. Fair and unbiased indeed. So laughable. At least other Newscorp holdings have the balls to admit it.

The bottom line is Conservs need a poor economy for their political purposes and positioning. And they need Benghazi to get Kerry nominated as Sec of State to open a Senate Seat for contention. It's really sad. And they need the fiscal cliff debacle to lower GDP in Q4 for their political purposes on the economy.

Of course, I expect all the points above to be refuted as "Lies!" and "manipulation of data!"

Just a friendly reminder, if we go over the fiscal cliff, Americans will blame republicans. Google is your friend

Democrats oppose any immediate spending cuts while demanding that we immediately raise taxes. They won't even cut SS and Medicare spending on the rich. Which is all that Republicans are proposing to change in those programs at this time.

Current revenue for federal, state, and local governments is a combined $5 trillion per year. Somehow that is not enough. Our government demands more.

Democrats oppose any immediate spending cuts while demanding that we immediately raise taxes. They won't even cut SS and Medicare spending on the rich. Which is all that Republicans are proposing to change in those programs at this time.

Current revenue for federal, state, and local governments is a combined $5 trillion per year. Somehow that is not enough. Our government demands more.

Do you know the first proposal from O and the Senate on this issue? Hint: it's not to raise taxes.

Obama and Democrats are pushing hard for House Republicans to immediately pass a Senate bill that would prevent most of the automatic tax increases that would result from the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts at the end of the year.

"At the same time, they want to discuss a framework for substantive negotiations in the new Congress that would include tax reform, spending cuts and reforms of popular entitlement programs such as Medicare and Medicaid."

And this is what's holding up Repubs and why America will blame Repubs:

Republicans led by Boehner oppose letting tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of Americans go up by passing the Senate bill championed by Obama. They also want Democrats to make firm commitments on spending cuts and entitlement reforms now, instead of waiting for negotiations next year."

To be sure, I think Dems should make firm commitments on spending cuts now. I think both sides need to give a little.

the other thread was about consumer confidence. I had one post in there about economic recovery and how you refuse to admit it. This thread is about yet another data point on economic recovery (GDP up) and I have no problem including the sub plot of Conservative Refusal to admit it

I would love to see anything where Democrats put actual spending cuts on the table though so please link if you have one. All I have seen is generic claims on spending cuts in future years(which is absurd because future Congress's and President's are under no obligation to stick to those cuts).

In regards to the 2.7% GDP increase. One of the primary factors given for it was increased government spending. Well that has been done on increased debt. It is fools gold to count that as any kind of real economic recovery since at some point GDP has to be decreased to pay for it.

I would love to see anything where Democrats put actual spending cuts on the table though so please link if you have one. All I have seen is generic claims on spending cuts in future years(which is absurd because future Congress's and President's are under no obligation to stick to those cuts).

In regards to the 2.7% GDP increase. One of the primary factors given for it was increased government spending. Well that has been done on increased debt. It is fools gold to count that as any kind of real economic recovery since at some point GDP has to be decreased to pay for it.

Never mind the strong exports that also made up the number. If Repubs want to go over the fiscal cliff because we aren't ready to commit to specific cuts now before extending tax cuts for the middle class, then as was said in another thread: YOU OWN IT.

PS...i seem to remember this strategy played out by Big R of not getting to specifics of what's on the table to be cut until he was in office. Repubs were okay with it then. Oh yes, indeed they were. But not now.

That said, that was one of the issues I had with Romney. And unlike conservatives and repubs, I don't have a double standard. I think Dems need to throw a bone and commit to a few cuts now to get this thing moving.

Ok, so here is the deal, as I see it from my little corner of the world. I became an adult/working ( after the Army), during the Reagan years. Had it made,doing good financially. Then came Clinton, after him things seemed to slide for me. Then came Bush, things got a little better in my world. Now, the false housing thing started by Clinton blew up, and things havent been good for a good while now. Along came Obama,promising the moon,Hope and Change, and all that baloney. Two years of Democrat majority, no budget, stimulus,and Obamacare,blame,etc. Business is terrible, paychecks low,week after week. he gets reelected to "continue" what he started. I am terribly sorry, but NO amount of statistics anyone posts on here are gonna make me think things are "better", until I feel it, and see it with my own eyes!!!!

Do you know the first proposal from O and the Senate on this issue? Hint: it's not to raise taxes.

Obama and Democrats are pushing hard for House Republicans to immediately pass a Senate bill that would prevent most of the automatic tax increases that would result from the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts at the end of the year.
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According to left wing economic think tank, The Brookings Institute, raising taxes on those "rich" Americans will raise government revenue by $60 billion. We have a deficit that is in excess of $1,100 billion. Do you honestly believe that that is seriously addressing the problem?

. Do you honestly believe that that is seriously addressing the problem?

No. There's not enough rich people to tax to fix this. I can easily agree to that. But this is about immediately extending the middle class tax cuts before 2012 is out. Repubs won't agree unless hard cuts are agreed to first.