Based on what? Based on what actual factual evidence? It winning every comparison against its competition you mean? Setting the standard? Having more power than the competitors?

Originally Posted by LostMarine

.oh, those other cars that had V8s in the previous generations? really? its uncanny the resemblence to its competition having better v8's, having more power in previous chassis', and now the same thing again.. just not enough..

Um, ya. The B6 S4 had a V8. B7 S4 and RS4. The C55 had a V8 and the E46 M3 was beating it with a six. Seriously, you don't even know your stuff. You just quite simply don't know your German cars well enough to have this discussion with me.

What dyno is that on? I want to dyno my car there too LOL please! I have never locally seen a single S65 put down more than 380-ish whp and that's on a Dynojet...I'm sure you'll flood me with generous charts next but don't please, won't change a thing..even if you got that 400whp so what, AND THEN you're tapped on a V8?

What dyno is that on? I want to dyno my car there too LOL please! I have never locally seen a single S65 put down more than 380-ish whp and that's on a Dynojet...I'm sure you'll flood me with generous charts next but don't please, won't change a thing..even if you got that 400whp so what, AND THEN you're tapped on a V8?

Weak numbers, weak arguments

I can predict what you type before you say it, "weak weak weak weak" good argument. Really good responses, great stuff.

If you can't appreciate the motor I can't take you seriously. I'm an auto enthusiast first and really like BMW's motor building in general. You're in this ignorant mindset that is ant-S65 but go ahead and be in it. Ignorance is bliss apparently.

400 whp NA from a 4.0 liter motor isn't weak. Read the damn S65 section and get up to speed.

Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks

AND THEN you're tapped on a V8?

You're having trouble reading this thread too? No, you're not tapped, it's an issue of how much you want to spend:

You're having trouble reading this thread too? No, you're not tapped, it's an issue of how much you want to spend:

This is the most ridiculous argument so far. What do you think I can do with an N54 MOTOR if I spent half as much as you're suggesting to spend to get that 440whp out of the S65...rods, pistons, sleeved block, lighter valve train, upgraded valve springs and spin it to 8.5-9k...then what

This is the most ridiculous argument so far. What do you think I can do with an N54 MOTOR if I spent half as much as you're suggesting to spend to get that 440whp out of the S65...rods, pistons, sleeved block, lighter valve train, upgraded valve springs and spin it to 9k...then what

I'd expect you to understand you can't compare naturally aspirated and forced induction power potential. It's not the same thing.