i think it may have lee P. that said if you have a good back as it is then they are not a big deal, but if your back is a lagging body part then they are the best way to bring it up. if you look at the guys who sware by DL they always have a thicker back, a thicker body in general i.e. dorian, coleman, JJ and so forth. i usually them every other week or so.

The reason I stress form is because most people use shitty form and f**k up their backs doing compound movements like DL's.

If you can't do DL's with form, you should do them at all......

Of course you should do perfect form on all movements.......but how many people in the gym do you see who don't..... ::)Your right DIV. Maybe 20% people in most gyms do move with good form, let alone DL's. DL's are a ough move in the fact that if you aint doin right dont do cause they along with squats will put you out of commision for a long time. Gotta start at the bottom and work your way up. Seen too many try to get away with lifting heavy for egos sake. Its okay though cause they aint round after two weeks or so, lol. Kinda the same with bench a little. People loadin too much weight or too loose form, only a matter of time, maybe 4-6 weeks for they hurt shoulder or roatator cuff. When I worked at gym/health club years back used to have a pool with a few collegues about the new members. After watching their first workouts we would bet on how long before the stopped comming to the gym due to injury. lol

Sounds like the owner is a pus-bag. What shows has he won? Not the Hoboken Invitational either. People who can't deadlift for shit, criticize it. Just like pusses that don't squat say that squats hurt their back/knees/index finger, etc.

They are one of the best. Be careful because going heavy on deads to often is a great way to burn out. Doing good mornings, pull throughs, cleans, and different variations of squats will help your dead numbers while your not doing them.

Can you be more specific how it breaks down your body? And how it effects the CNS.

Scientifically, I can't give you a great explanation, but I just know that when I was doing both squats and deads every week, my body felt really worn out and depleted (yes, I was eating well- so that wasn't it). Also, I always felt like a back injury was right around the corner when doing both. I haven't squatted or deadlifted in years. I think both are beneficial in moderation, but just don't like the way my body feels when I do them. I train exclusively for self-improvement and recreation- so I do want I want to do and no more.

Can you be more specific how it breaks down your body? And how it effects the CNS.

I lift for strength, not size.......so I've read up on this.

When your training style is based on higher weight, lower reps your body relies more on the Central Nervous System because the reps are intense and the negatives really take a toll on you. It's basically double the workload and over time when you combine compound movements in the same week........heavy incline DP presses, heavy Deads, Heavy Squats......your CNS won't recover in time for the next weeks workout. The CNS works on a feedback loop like the hypothalmus and when it gets burned out it needs time to recuperate. This is why it's best to do these type of movements every other week instead of every week.