I have none to add to the agenda. Regarding joerg's suggestion that I be council chairman: I don't mind, though someone would have to explain to me how to do the meeting minutes (how to publish them through council blog, mainly).

[2012-11-16 19:05:03] <MentalistTraceur> I have none to add to the agenda. Regarding joerg's suggestion that I be council chairman: I don't mind, though someone would have to explain to me how to do the meeting minutes (how to publish them through council blog, mainly).

maybe we don't need signed contracts, but we need to make sure our volunteers have sufficient understanding of the responsibilities they accept, and of course they should be able to handle server infra without doing mess

Fwiw, I am inclined to agree with woody on this. Good admins should keep notes of what they do but they might not. Trusted admins won't try to break things they shouldn't, but you might not know an admin is going to abuse the power given to them until it's too late. I don't think, but I admin my knowledge in this field is not great, to set up the kind of extra security woody is talking about, even if it's still obvio

DocScrutinizer05: true... but I would susspect that for admin, the Board would have access to the admin account as part of their legal responsabilities in any case. So it's less likely to be lost, as it was here.

Question - so if the Board is the final say in all admins, and board holds all the keys and stuff anyway, doesn't that make a separate gatekeeper redundant? (Though the other stuff, coordinating admins, etc, revoking access in a situation where it's deemed urgent, etc, obviously still needs a person and Doc might as well be that person.)

Yes.. You could set it up that way, but that is not how it currently is setup. And to make those changes, requires admin level changes. That's 80% of the problem in a lot of this. It was thrown together for internal use, and became an external tool.

Oh. FWIW, I have a web archive of the minutes and logs. Will attach that as well to the e-mail I'm sending? Nothing you can't get on blog/chan-logger, with a few minor exceptions when povbot was away/split. But handy to have none the less.