is the list "10 Best Worst-case-scenario Post Apocalyptic Movies?" it's rather confusingly titled and compiled; especially since some fairly bad shiat is included. (I can only guess that "Equilibrium" is awesome if you didn't bother reading Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World and really liked subpar Matrix knock-offs)

My question is this, isn't the list flawed by having a robot uprising and a machine uprising on there as two different scenarios? In both it is AI becoming self aware and deciding we humans are rubbish and either enslaving us for our own good, or killing us. Why is it two entries on the list?

Milo Minderbinder:Richard_The_Clown: X_Raraavis: LewDux: Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

United humanity in Starship Troopers

You realize that the government in Starship Troopers was modeled on Nazi Germany. It was not intended to depict a utopia.

Although Coed Showers.

Uh... what? I've read that book several times and have seen the movie and besides a gestapo-like resemblance to the officers uniforms, they are nothing like Nazi Germany.

Book = utopicMovie = distopic parody of book

Yeah, the book and the movie had two TOTALLY different views on the way the government worked. In the book, it is a relatively peaceful society. Things like murder, theft, and so on are practically unheard of. Johnny at one point says he can't even imagine stealing something from someone else. It's totally alien to him.

The movie I think liked to show the government more as benign dictators. The way they portrayed Zim was totally out of character as well. In the book Johnny points out that though he may have seemed sadistic, there was an art to it. Zim was trying to toughen them up, weed out the weak. In the movie, he IS sadistic. Purposfully breaking Breckenridge's arm (in the book it was accidental), throwing the knife through Ace's hand, stuff like that. Personally I think these changes all came about because of Verhooven's childhood living in occupied Holland. This is just how he sees the military.

I remember though the first time I read that book (back around the time the movie came out), I came to the part where DuBois told of the collapse of the United States. What was chilling was just how accurate it was. Gangs of kids murdering and stealing getting light sentences because they were kids. People afraid to go walking through a park at night for fear of being mugged, and a lot of other stuff that is happening in society today coming from abook written in the 1950s!

#3 xXistenZ, Dark CityAnother permutation on the sentient being concept is the notion of controlling, not condemning, humans. After all, there may be a need for their pink, pillowy personas, even if it is to supply a constant stream of bioelectric energy (more on this in a moment). So how do we keep the people passive and clueless. Clearly by tapping into that age old philosophical quandary that contends that reality is not "real," just a simulation meant to keep us docile and tame. Via the manipulation of our perspective, we are readily restricted.

BumpInTheNight:Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Idiocracy?

/go away, baitin'

Couldn't Farenheit 451, and The Time Machine also be in the same category as Idiocracy? A world where people have have been dumbed down eiither by choice or chance? I know the classics are more complex, but Idiocracy is just using humor to make the point and the effects it could have to the planet.

/ Yes, I know that one guy wrote that book before Idiocracy.// I don't know the title or author, someone please chime in, I want to read it.

Tyrosine:#3 xXistenZ, Dark CityAnother permutation on the sentient being concept is the notion of controlling, not condemning, humans. After all, there may be a need for their pink, pillowy personas, even if it is to supply a constant stream of bioelectric energy (more on this in a moment). So how do we keep the people passive and clueless. Clearly by tapping into that age old philosophical quandary that contends that reality is not "real," just a simulation meant to keep us docile and tame. Via the manipulation of our perspective, we are readily restricted.

"WippitGuud: Slives: WippitGuud: Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Demolition Man.

I don't see any world where Taco Bell is the only restaurant as a positive one...

Ok, there's a little negativity towards Demolition Man.

So I will submit plan b: Back to the Future Part 2

"Demolition Man" is Michael Bloomberg's wet dream. Table salt for example being deemed bad for you (even though our bodies need salt) and therefore, illegal. Bloomberg had table salt banned from restaurants (unless you ask for it). Same thing with soda. You got some sort of autocratic regime deciding what is and what is not good for you. What you can and cannot watch, even physical contact is banned. Not a world I wanna live in.

Richard_The_Clown:"WippitGuud: Slives: WippitGuud: Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Demolition Man.

I don't see any world where Taco Bell is the only restaurant as a positive one...

Ok, there's a little negativity towards Demolition Man.

So I will submit plan b: Back to the Future Part 2

"Demolition Man" is Michael Bloomberg's wet dream. Table salt for example being deemed bad for you (even though our bodies need salt) and therefore, illegal. Bloomberg had table salt banned from restaurants (unless you ask for it). Same thing with soda. You got some sort of autocratic regime deciding what is and what is not good for you. What you can and cannot watch, even physical contact is banned. Not a world I wanna live in.

Oops... last part of my comment seems to have been deleted...

BTF2 might also have seemed idyllic... on the surface. But let's look at a couple of things. Griff and his gang are arrested, prosecuted and sentenced all within a day. Why? Because all lawyers have been banned. Sure everyone loves to pick on lawyers, but in the end they do serve a necessary function. Cops also have ways of just scanning you and know everything about you. Who you are, where you live, marriage status, instant access to your house (if I remember correctly they enter a code into Marty and Jennifer's house to drop young Jen off...). Plus let's not forget that according to the police, the neighborhoods are really crappy and crime ridden, especially the one Marty lives in.

WippitGuud:Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Demolition Man.

Sex is against the law unless it's permitted by the state. So is salt and any other unhealthy food, non educational toys, swearing, shiat, the future in Demolition Man is the worst dystopian future. Of course you could just move to Europe and do what you wanted. Wonder why Dennis Leary didn't just do that.

FeedTheCollapse:is the list "10 Best Worst-case-scenario Post Apocalyptic Movies?" it's rather confusingly titled and compiled; especially since some fairly bad shiat is included. (I can only guess that "Equilibrium" is awesome if you didn't bother reading Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World and really liked subpar Matrix knock-offs)

What does one have to do with the other? Someone can like 451 and Equilibrium at the same time. I hate when people make choices exclusive. "If you like this, then you can't possibly like this!" Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Mugato:WippitGuud: Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Demolition Man.

Sex is against the law unless it's permitted by the state. So is salt and any other unhealthy food, non educational toys, swearing, shiat, the future in Demolition Man is the worst dystopian future. Of course you could just move to Europe and do what you wanted. Wonder why Dennis Leary didn't just do that.

There may have been travel restrictions. They never went that far explaining what the rest of the world was like. I imagine though that it went something like, "Europe is a cesspool of corruption and disease and therefore is not good for you, thus it is illegal to travel to Europe."

skinink:FeedTheCollapse: is the list "10 Best Worst-case-scenario Post Apocalyptic Movies?" it's rather confusingly titled and compiled; especially since some fairly bad shiat is included. (I can only guess that "Equilibrium" is awesome if you didn't bother reading Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World and really liked subpar Matrix knock-offs)

What does one have to do with the other? Someone can like 451 and Equilibrium at the same time. I hate when people make choices exclusive. "If you like this, then you can't possibly like this!" Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses.

It doesn't have to be an either/or thing, but to me, I found Equilibrium to be offensively unoriginal (which was made even worse by it not even being a good knock-off). Even if something like The Matrix was unoriginal in a broad sense, it felt like Equilibrium didn't even try to hide the fact that it was lifting plotlines and references from very well-known works.

Richard_The_Clown:Mugato: WippitGuud: Mugato: Is there any positive future depicted in literature or film? Even in the preachy, optimistic future of Star Trek, there was a World War 3 in the 1990s.

Demolition Man.

Sex is against the law unless it's permitted by the state. So is salt and any other unhealthy food, non educational toys, swearing, shiat, the future in Demolition Man is the worst dystopian future. Of course you could just move to Europe and do what you wanted. Wonder why Dennis Leary didn't just do that.

There may have been travel restrictions. They never went that far explaining what the rest of the world was like. I imagine though that it went something like, "Europe is a cesspool of corruption and disease and therefore is not good for you, thus it is illegal to travel to Europe."

I thought that government was just in San Angeles, and they never really said what was going on in the rest of the US. For all we know, Vegas could be a year-round Burning Man.