1. The Mother Plane is made of the finest steel in Asia.
2. It was made on the Island of Nippon (Japan) in 1929, and also took flight that same year.
3. Black, Brown, Red and Yellow Scientists built the Mother Plane.
4. The Scientists did not know what they were building.
5. Her size is Half-mile by Half-mile square.
6. Her shape is oval.
7. Her speed is up to 9,000 miles per hour.
8. Her flying ability is nine thousand (9,000) miles per hour in any direction, up or down, to or fro, in any direction without making a complete directional turn.
9. Her contents are 1,500 small circular planes, as the devil calls them, "FLYING SAUCERS."
10. These small planes carry three (3) bombs each, they also shoot flames of fire.
11. The Black men who pilot these small planes have been taught from the age of six that they are to do a special job.
12. These pilots can hit any spot in America, blindfolded, as the Devil will soon see.
13. The bombs that the small planes contain weigh two tons each.
14. They are designed to drill into the Earth upon contact, and drill from one (1) to six (6) miles through stone and rock, and to explode, destroying civilization or any living matter (or life) within a fifty (50) mile radius.
15. After these bombs explode, a poisonous gas is found to snuff out the remaining life, if any still exists.
16. The purpose of the Mother Plane is to destroy the most wicked place ever to be on the planet Earth at any time (America, the Great Mystery Babylon).
17. Her position is 40 miles out from the Earth's sphere.
18. She holds this position from 6 to 12 months at a time. When this time is up, the Mother Plane comes into the atmosphere to take in fresh air for our Brothers inside, then she retakes her position.
19. At the dropping of the bombs, the flames will reach twelve (12) miles, in all directions.
20. When the destruction comes, America will burn 390 years and take 610 years to cool off. The Great Mystery Babylon (America) will perish in the flames of fire. Allah will even cause the air which we breathe to ignite along with the atmosphere. Every atom will burn in and over America from a height of twelve (12) miles down.

That's 1,500 1929 era "circular planes" with 6 million pounds of live ordinance targeting America 24/7. I can't imagine why the US Department of Homeland Security hasn't raised the official threat level to brown by now...

he movement's current leader, Louis Farrakhan, describes the "Motherplane" thus:

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Motherplane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Ezekiel, in the Old Testament, saw a wheel that looked like a cloud by day but a pillar of fire by night. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad said that that wheel was built on the island of Nippon, which is now called Japan, by some of the original scientists. It took 15 billion dollars in gold at that time to build it. It is made of the toughest steel. America does not yet know the composition of the steel used to make an instrument like it. It is a circular plane, and the Bible says that it never makes turns. Because of its circular nature it can stop and travel in all directions at speeds of thousands of miles per hour. He said there are 1,500 small wheels in this mother wheel which is a half mile by a half mile (800 by 800 m). This Mother Wheel is like a small human built planet. Each one of these small planes carry three bombs

Does anyone know, find dox, on whether these seminars are occurring in All of the Nation of Islam mosques?

Wondering if these 150 students are representative of the 1600 followers attending Farrakhan's Sermon of August 22 where he gives orders all must attend starting August 24 or they have no official post or ministry anymore.
If so, that would be under 10%. That would be a failing "participation".

Also, this answers another question: Do followers have to buy all those Scientology materials ("Dianetics book, Dianetics DVD, and/or The Dianetics Extention Course Materials"). Looks like from website they Do have to buy.
Oh my, if their names and contact info are fed into the cavernous abyss of the Scientology mailing list, do they know they will forever, and I mean forever, be bombarded with promotions and brochures, overflowing their mailboxes?

Will they then be bombarded with scientology's usual crush regging (coercion style) to buy the entire scientology library of stuff?
Will they have a "team" of scientologists banging on their home doors at 3 a.m. refusing to leave till they shake them down for all their money and assets and then come back the next night for all money and assets of everyone they know?

Does anyone know, find dox, on whether these seminars are occurring in All of the Nation of Islam mosques?

This particular seminar appears to have been a special event. The published info lists only the city of Rosemont, IL as the location but doesn't go so far as to point out the name of the actual facility where the event was to be held. Apparently that info would have been provided directly to those that RSVP'd.

Rosemont is a near NW Chicago suburb, close to O'Hare Intl. airport. There is a convention center as well as a stadium there but most likely the event was held in a rented banquet room at some hotel. NoI's Chicago mosque is on the south side of the Chicago, a considerable distance from Rosemont.

Some (very speculative) possibilities for why Louis Farrakhan, the National Representative of the Nation of Islam, is effectively turning every NoI mosque into a Scientology Mission and forcing EVERY SINGLE NATION OF ISLAM OFFICIAL to receive Dianetics processing:

On a lark Louis Farrakhan did some Book One auditing or TRs (Training Routines), perhaps at a party, and had an ecstatic experience. Seeking to chase this mind blowing religious experience, he was routed by a Scientologist friend into the Scientology Celebrity Center, where he was treated like a king and became a true believer, and firmly believing that once the Nation of Islam is Clear (Dianetics, Scientology Ethics and Scientology Admin Tech applied to the org(anization) and the individuals under its control, the Nation can’t help but achieve its goals, decided to bring his flock along with him.

On a lark Louis Farrakhan did some Book One auditing or TRs (Training Routines), perhaps at a party, and had an ecstatic experience. Seeking to chase this mind blowing, he was routed by a Scientologist friend into the Scientology Celebrity Center, where he was treated like a king and became a true believer, and firmly believing that because he’s now an FSM and will receive a commission from the fees everyone he recruits will have to pay (or which will be paid for out of Nation of Islam coffers?) he should bring his flock along with him.

He is deathly ill, and doctors have told him there is nothing they can do. Church of Scientology members have told him “Scientology can handle that!” (see Broken Promises for a list of those promises). They put him on the Purification Rundown and TRs (Training Routines), and when he has a breakthrough religious experience because of the stresses being put on his body and mind, they convince him to push it on his flock.

One or more former Nation of Islam members joined the Church of Scientology. In auditing sessions or Sec Checks (Security Checks), one or more of these individuals revealed a dark secret about Louis Farrakhan or someone he cares deeply about. This was immediately routed uplines to David Miscavige, who told OSA (Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs, the new Guardians Office) to work with the CC (Celebrity Center) to use the info for big wins (for David Miscavige and his Church of Scientology).

Several folk have posted good dox in this thread with additional evidence of links between NoI and CoS. If you just post what you found in this thread, people will browse over it once, and perhaps be interested. If you post what you found on the Wiki page, people who are more interested will see it many times.

If you have posted good dox with definite connections between the to groups in this thread, please make you contribution last, and make sure that the info is already in the wiki page and add it if not.

You may have already gathered that Scientology and Dianetics are two sides of the same scam invented by a racist, mentally ill, manipulator and liar, L Ron Hubbard.

However, you may not know that the man currently taking your money to enrich himself, the current boss of the scam, Mr David Miscavige, is a violent, profane, racist.

Mr Jesse Prince, the highest ranking African American in Scientology, and now an ex-scientologist had this to say

"Hubbard could not conceive of a colored man like me of being so intelligent."

and

Jesse Prince: You know, and it's also ironic that they would target the African-American community because the current leader of Scientology, David Miscavige, is a racist, a racist in extremis, as well as his South African companion, Norman Starkey. I was the only African-American that I know of that ever achieved a high position within Scientology. And even then, I was continually subjected to racial slurs by David Miscavige and, um, Norman Starkey to the point where we nearly came to blows about it.

HOST: What kind of racial slurs?

Jesse Prince: "Nigger", "dumb nigger", this kind of—constantly.

Scientology is counting on you being too dumb to research this and tell your colleagues of the disgusting nature of the Scientology organization and Mr Miscavige.

My fellow Why We Protesters might be able to assist you with further information.

May I suggest that someone with a Rantrave account publishes an account of the anti-african, Miscavige's ungodly courting of African-American islamists. It might get on google news, if it's well written, matter of fact, and even-tempered, rather than judgemental.

I'm not sure I care why the two cults are apparently flirting with each other, so I'm not going to speculate as to why. It's a mistake by both cults, whose respective bases ultimately won't understand whatever marriage of mutual interest is being contemplated here.

By way of example, as I've encountered NOI members for years now, I can safely generalize that they do not like white people. Go ahead and try to purchase a bean pie from the many bow-tied gentlemen selling them amidst the slowed-down traffic as you come off the Brooklyn Bridge (on the Brooklyn side). They won't sell them much less acknowledge you if you're white. NOI is built on a firm foundation of deep racial identity politics, which is way outside of Scientology's wheelhouse. And after Pat Harney, Scientology is woefully short on African-Americans, a fact which will eventually be noticed.

Likewise for the rich white Scientology public of Glendale--they're not going to understand this courting at all, and will question what the hell DM is up to.

Whatever each organization presently thinks they're getting from the other--NOI might naively think it's getting 'workable technology', and Scientology might think it's getting a new conduit of rubes--it's bound to end badly because each organization is largely comprised of people who fundamentally do not understand each other. And Scientology ultimately won't be able to prevent itself from attempting to exploit the NOI, which won't go down well. Which is something to root for, I suppose.

Rosemont is a near NW Chicago suburb, close to O'Hare Intl. airport. There is a convention center as well as a stadium there but most likely the event was held in a rented banquet room at some hotel. NoI's Chicago mosque is on the south side of the Chicago, a considerable distance from Rosemont.

Ooops, scratch that. I'd missed Darth Xander's post from earlier in this thread mentioning that he'd run into a group of Dianetics wielding NoI members leaving the Donald E. Stevens Convention Center in Rosemont. The main event being held there that weekend was Wizard World.

Whatever each organization presently thinks they're getting from the other--NOI might naively think it's getting 'workable technology', and Scientology might think it's getting a new conduit of rubes--it's bound to end badly because each organization is largely comprised of people who fundamentally do not understand each other. And Scientology ultimately won't be able to prevent itself from attempting to exploit the NOI, which won't go down well. Which is something to root for, I suppose.

^^^^^^

My sentiments exactly, however you worded it much better than I could ever have!
Thx!

Media are on the wiki page NOW. Any and all updates there would be greatly appreciated. Of particular need are any links/info from within NoI (their forums) validating our points about them being put on course.

If I could blow someone to get the wiki updated asap, I would do so.

HI MEDIA! Thank you for taking notice that NOI is in bed with Co$!
Please notify the FBI & IRS:

Church. Certain characteristics are generally attributed to churches .
These attributes of a church have been developed by the IRS and
by court decisions. They include: distinct legal existence; recog-
nized creed and form of worship; definite and distinct ecclesiasti-
cal government; formal code of doctrine and discipline; distinct
religious history; membership not associated with any other church
or denomination; organization of ordained ministers; ordained
ministers selected after completing prescribed courses of study;
literature of its own; established places of worship; regular congre-
gations; regular religious services; Sunday schools for the religious
instruction of the young; schools for the preparation of its ministers .
The IRS generally uses a combination of these characteristics,
together with other facts and circumstances, to determine whether
an organization is considered a church for federal tax purposes .
The IRS makes no attempt to evaluate the content of whatever
doctrine a particular organization claims is religious, provided the
particular beliefs of the organization are truly and sincerely held by
those professing them and the practices and rites associated with
the organization’s belief or creed are not illegal or contrary to
clearly defined public policy.

I think they would have said the opposite if it had been a requirement instead, and the fact that it happens to be the truth is just a coincidence.

Whatever each organization presently thinks they're getting from the other--NOI might naively think it's getting 'workable technology', and Scientology might think it's getting a new conduit of rubes--it's bound to end badly because each organization is largely comprised of people who fundamentally do not understand each other. And Scientology ultimately won't be able to prevent itself from attempting to exploit the NOI, which won't go down well. Which is something to root for, I suppose.

Brother Reuben Muhammad's practice might provide some insight on how sticky this union could become. He seems to have been at this for some time. A devoted Nation of Islam member and proud Certified Dianetics Auditor who's all over the net promoting his own "Not a Scientologist But" therapy program, CAERing Solutions (Confront-Assess-Evaluate-Resolve).

He seems perfectly earnest in his belief that these methods work and that they help people and all that but again, based on appearances, the methods being employed seem to contain some seriously squirreled tech, a mish-mash of Dianetics and so-called Metapsychology. Metapsychology being something that Scientology is no friend of whatsoever.

It seems inconceivable to me that he'd be able to engage in this sort of practice under the title of certified dianetics auditor without incurring the rath of Moxon and friends as an "independent" and if not, then I can only assume he's been given some sort of a pass due to his relationship to the NoI.

So what's to prevent this whole new crowd of non-scientologist yet certified dianetics auditors from re-shaping the tech in any way that they see fit? And if the NoI can be given a license to squirrel, who's next?

Membership Numbers: estimates of 10,000 to 50,000 currently. In 1998, one estimate of 10,000 to 100,000 NOI is secretive about membership numbers, won’t release. Adherents.com

Besides secretive and mostly exaggerated membership numbers, another commonality to Scientology is an ever flip-flopping, changing of basic tenets, as well as violating their own "ethics and morals".

October 2000 Village Voice article about internal rifts and defections. “While Farrakhan awaits a meeting with Lieberman, some black Muslims, anguished over the rift inside the NOI, fear that the minister, who is battling prostate cancer, has lost control of the 91 mosques that make up his religious empire. People are defecting to Orthodox Islamic groups. "I think many others want to leave, but they don't know how," says Bashir Muhammad Akinyele, cofounder of the Pan Afrikan Muslim Association, who says he was forced out of Mosque No. 25 in Newark, New Jersey, for speaking out. "When I was a part of the organization, our numbers were much greater. There was a higher spirit. You saw more of the FOI [Fruit of Islam] soldiers selling The Final Call. There are many brothers and sisters who stepped off, who left the mosques, for various reasons. Most of it involves contradictions and inconsistencies in Nation of Islam teachings and money." New York

“Former Nation of Islam Leader Says There Will Be Religious Change
August 13th, 2007
Elijah Muhammad’s son says two are in the running to take over the Nation
The son of the Nation of Islam’s founder said there are two people in the running to replace the ailing Minister Louis Farrakhan, and either would take the faith in a completely different direction, The Washington Post reports. Imam W. Deen Mohammed, the son of the late Elijah Muhammad, said that his half brother, Ishmael Muhammad, and another man, whom he declined to name, could become the next leader of the Nation, which he said is a sign that the group “had a strong desire” to see religious change.
(From BET article. Didn’t post link due to possible virus).

While Farrakhan is now espousing no need for expensive real estate and throwing off the mantle of materialism, his former followers and outside critics for years criticized his lavish, extravagant lifestyle and benefits for himself, family and the upper hierarchy of his officials. Monies were provided in part from his more impoverished followers, referred to as gifts from fundraising events.

The only difference to a Scientology comparison is that few but the leader, David Miscavige, and his top hierarchy or reap the same benefits, know about it. It is hidden from the majority of Scientologists, both public and even employees.

And I think this paragraph is just as important!

Williams considers herself a rare voice speaking out about alleged sexual harassment in the Nation. "Until there are some changes in how our rights as women are protected, when a situation such as mine arises, it is unfair to ask us to put up with this madness," she complains in the letter to Farrakhan. "Our Laborers [NOI officials] do not investigate anything unless it concerns them. I believe that Laborers who sexually abuse women in the name of God have to know that they will be punished. There is no fear in them. There has to be fear put in them. Minister Benjamin abused women's trust before (in the name of God), and the fact that he did it again, immediately after he came into the NOI, proves that he did not learn anything from [the] NAACP scandal." Minister Benjamin, she charges, "moves on other brothers' wives, and even when they report it, it goes ignored." She ends her complaint to Farrakhan with this warning: "Something very bad is going to happen if Minister Benjamin is not stopped. He is still, to this day, the same way, and has no intention of changing. He is always talking about how hard he works for the Nation, so it seems to me he thinks that we are the 'perks' of his hard work."

Several folk have posted good dox in this thread with additional evidence of links between NoI and CoS. If you just post what you found in this thread, people will browse over it once, and perhaps be interested. If you post what you found on the Wiki page, people who are more interested will see it many times.

If you have posted good dox with definite connections between the to groups in this thread, please make you contribution last, and make sure that the info is already in the wiki page and add it if not.

I'm not sure I care why the two cults are apparently flirting with each other, so I'm not going to speculate as to why. It's a mistake by both cults, whose respective bases ultimately won't understand whatever marriage of mutual interest is being contemplated here.

By way of example, as I've encountered NOI members for years now, I can safely generalize that they do not like white people. Go ahead and try to purchase a bean pie from the many bow-tied gentlemen selling them amidst the slowed-down traffic as you come off the Brooklyn Bridge (on the Brooklyn side). They won't sell them much less acknowledge you if you're white. NOI is built on a firm foundation of deep racial identity politics, which is way outside of Scientology's wheelhouse. And after Pat Harney, Scientology is woefully short on African-Americans, a fact which will eventually be noticed.

Likewise for the rich white Scientology public of Glendale--they're not going to understand this courting at all, and will question what the hell DM is up to.

Whatever each organization presently thinks they're getting from the other--NOI might naively think it's getting 'workable technology', and Scientology might think it's getting a new conduit of rubes--it's bound to end badly because each organization is largely comprised of people who fundamentally do not understand each other. And Scientology ultimately won't be able to prevent itself from attempting to exploit the NOI, which won't go down well. Which is something to root for, I suppose.

You may be right, none the less it’s dangerous to take an enemy too lightly and we shouldn’t underestimate the power of both cults to brainwash their followers. The black Muslims may be told that Allah will deal with the white Scientologists in due course and an alliance is acceptable for now. The white Scientologists outside areas where there’s contact with blacks often won’t find out what’s going on. Remember they’re not allowed to access critical information. White Scientologists who dislike the alliance may be told, “Those blacks don't know it but they're really our servants etc.”

I hope you’re right but let’s work actively to increase the chances of the alliance backfiring.

Brother Reuben Muhammad's practice might provide some insight on how sticky this union could become. He seems to have been at this for some time. A devoted Nation of Islam member and proud Certified Dianetics Auditor who's all over the net promoting his own "Not a Scientologist But" therapy program, CAERing Solutions (Confront-Assess-Evaluate-Resolve).

He seems perfectly earnest in his belief that these methods work and that they help people and all that but again, based on appearances, the methods being employed seem to contain some seriously squirreled tech, a mish-mash of Dianetics and so-called Metapsychology. Metapsychology being something that Scientology is no friend of whatsoever.

It seems inconceivable to me that he'd be able to engage in this sort of practice under the title of certified dianetics auditor without incurring the rath of Moxon and friends as an "independent" and if not, then I can only assume he's been given some sort of a pass due to his relationship to the NoI.

So what's to prevent this whole new crowd of non-scientologist yet certified dianetics auditors from re-shaping the tech in any way that they see fit? And if the NoI can be given a license to squirrel, who's next?

Ooops, scratch that. I'd missed Darth Xander's post from earlier in this thread mentioning that he'd run into a group of Dianetics wielding NoI members leaving the Donald E. Stevens Convention Center in Rosemont. The main event being held there that weekend was Wizard World.

You may be right, none the less it’s dangerous to take an enemy too lightly and we shouldn’t underestimate the power of both cults to brainwash their followers. The black Muslims may be told that Allah will deal with the white Scientologists in due course and an alliance is acceptable for now. The white Scientologists outside areas where there’s contact with blacks often won’t find out what’s going on. Remember they’re not allowed to access critical information. White Scientologists who dislike the alliance may be told, “Those blacks don't know it but they're really our servants etc.”

I hope you’re right but let’s work actively to increase the chances of the alliance backfiring.

The rich Scientology publics in California to whom I refer will most certainly hear about Louis Farrakhan & Co. tromping in and out of the Fort Harrison, which occurred quite publicly, and accordingly gossip amongst themselves.

And what would you propose to do to "increase the chances of the alliance backfiring," aside from inform Gawker? (which I assure you they're already well aware)

So will Scientology go it's normal PR route by announcing the rise in the amount of new members due to this new push by Farrakhan?
Don't they consider anyone who has taken a course or whatever a new member?
I was wondering what would happen if Farrakhan ever got up to OTIII and what he would think about it. But I had no idea about all that mothership stuff. It seems to be the perfect match in just that aspect of beliefs.

With recent claims of Farrakhan's ailing health, I don't know if he would make it up to OTIII before his health totally failed him. Then again, I guess they can always rush him up the bridge? Or is this something they wouldn't want to do?

I really don't know what to think about all this.
I think this may end up being a game of cat and mouse between DM and LF.

If LF (or whoever eventually takes over for him) really likes the whole idea of having even more control over the flock be auditing their members and keeping files on them, I think they will want to take it and make it their own. And maybe tweak whatever they want and the way they want it, as far as Hubbard's writings/policies.

The thought of NOI going to court against COS for copyright issues makes me dizzy. That is one case, that there wouldn't be enough popcorn in the world for.

And then on the other hand, I wonder if it is at all possible for the two of them to mesh somehow together (which would require both to stand down on many issues) and create something even more scary all in the quest of the all mighty dollar.

I mean is LF receiving kick backs from all the new members he has brought to COS? Isn't that how it works?

It will be very interesting to see how this new union will morph together or not.
I don't think it can be cohesive when push comes to shove and major things will have to change on both sides in order for it to be cohesive, but stranger things have happened.

I would have never imagined these two groups together in my wildest dreams.
I just hope this new development does not stall the progress that everyone has made in bringing down the abuses of COS. But then again, it can also speed it up.
Only Xenu knows for sure.

Here's my take, for what it's worth.
The saying "you can't bullshit a bullshitter" should be "you can only bullshit a bullshitter."
It's similar to the WC Fields line, "you can't cheat an honest man."
Both cult leaders are trying to take advantage of the other.
Miscavige thinks he will get:
1. Fresh meat = money.
2. Muscle.
Farrakhan thinks he will get:
1. Greater control over his sheep through the use of Scientology's systematic brainwashing.
2. Money = there very well could be a commission (kickback) paid to him for the courses and materials purchased.

This will not end well, especially when the media picks up on this unholy alliance, and I believe they will.

I believe this combi could bring down the COS faster than Miscavige thinks he'll gain from it. We need to 'poon all other religions and cults as well as find a way to inform NOI members of Hubbard's racism and belief that all other religions are "implants".