It is in the press, the VB in the footnote that has been 1printed in the press. It is a public statement, the party 2policy. 3Q.
[Mr Rampton]
It portrays a state of mind if you put these things 4together, does it not? 5A.
[Mr Irving]
Yes, but, on the other hand, I do emphasise this is a 6public statement, so he is hardly going to out saying, 7"yes, we are going to be liquidating all the Jews". 8Q.
[Mr Rampton]
If we had but this one public statement to say that Hitler 9intended physical annihilation of the Jews, "biologische 10vernichtung" but this one document, I would not be 11suggesting ---- 12A.
[Mr Irving]
Excuse me, he does not say "biologische vernichtung" in 13this document. 14Q.
[Mr Rampton]
Wait, Mr Irving. Sometimes you do not listen. 15A.
[Mr Irving]
That is manipulation again. 16Q.
[Mr Rampton]
No, Mr Irving, you do not listen. I said if we had this 17document and this document alone to convict Hitler of an 18intention to achieve a biologische vernichtung, it would 19not be very good evidence. Do you see? I do not take 20documents one by one. I take the cumulative effect. 21A.
[Mr Irving]
This is part of your chain of documents. 22Q.
[Mr Rampton]
If you like, Mr Irving, yes. 23A.
[Mr Irving]
This chain against chain. 24MR JUSTICE GRAY: Is that a convenient moment? You have 25finished with that. 26MR RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord. I am going to come on to one or two

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1more of these table talks. As I promised I would, 2tomorrow morning. 3MR JUSTICE GRAY: At some stage will you be looking, if not, 4well, so be it, at the very early statements which are 5pretty much the same. 6MR RAMPTON: They are very much the same. They are all 7collected in the first part of Longerich. 8MR JUSTICE GRAY: That may be sufficient. 9MR RAMPTON: That may be sufficient. 10MR JUSTICE GRAY: Mr Irving may want to comment on whether he 11takes those into account when he is evaluating Hitler's 12knowledge. 13MR RAMPTON: If I may say so, that is very fair. Perhaps I 14ought to do that ---- 15MR JUSTICE GRAY: Not this evening. 16A.
[Mr Irving]
I shall certainly be taking it into account in 17cross-examination of Longerich, which is probably the 18proper time to deal with them. 19< (The witness withdrew).20MR JUSTICE GRAY: 10.30 tomorrow. 21(The court adjourned until the following day)2223242526