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"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols.""Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?""Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

IvCNuB4 wrote:The Old Doctor is Cat-Scratch ?Well that explains a lot :lol:

Thunderstorm wrote:Oh they definitely should. But here, we have way too many to even bother reporting on.

Noticed that.

"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols.""Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?""Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

IvCNuB4 wrote:The Old Doctor is Cat-Scratch ?Well that explains a lot :lol:

As I understand it, they don't have to assert that at all for it to be in effect. Regardless, he never gave up a right to self defence, (hi GOSD!).

And things are looking very good for Zimmerman right now. The prosecution has managed to cast doubt on every prosecution witness so far, except for the prosecution witnesses that actually seem to be working for the defence, (hi GOSD!). There's that one guy who noted that immediately after, he saw Zimmerman's injuries, entirely consistent with Zimmerman's story, which he also upheld in its other specifics.

Even the Martin family is busy lying it's collective ass off by now denying that they ever, and I do mean EVER, (in best Y2J voice), tried to make it about race. Good luck selling that one given that it's all on record.

Achilles is the kind of evil that hollows out a volcano for a lair, and sends killer robots after his enemies.---Lord Simian

There have been inconsistencies in all the stories including Zimmerman's.

I am waiting on the testimony of the homicide detective that wanted Zimmerman arrested for murder the night of the crime.

Hab

Not a big stretch at all. When you get the witnesses to admit they might not have seen or heard what they claimed to have seen and heard, and point out that they originally didn't claim to have seen and heard anything of the sort---I'd say that's discrediting or at least casting that all important "reasonable doubt".

Achilles is the kind of evil that hollows out a volcano for a lair, and sends killer robots after his enemies.---Lord Simian

Meanwhile, there are apparently threats all over Twitter to kill whites and or hispanics should Zimmerman be acquitted. Along with calls to simply ignore the law and convict him to avoid the inevitable huge race riots should he be acquitted. Which to my mind overstates by just a tiny bit what will happen in that case.

Somehow I don't think Martin plays the same role that say Rodney King did, and even the King riots were local to Los Angeles for the most part. As for people claiming they're going to go out killing whites or hispanics in that case, well, it hardly sounds like they need an excuse, does it---if they're willing to kill, they're willing to kill. Period.

Achilles is the kind of evil that hollows out a volcano for a lair, and sends killer robots after his enemies.---Lord Simian

achilles wrote:Meanwhile, there are apparently threats all over Twitter to kill whites and or hispanics should Zimmerman be acquitted. Along with calls to simply ignore the law and convict him to avoid the inevitable huge race riots should he be acquitted. Which to my mind overstates by just a tiny bit what will happen in that case.

Somehow I don't think Martin plays the same role that say Rodney King did, and even the King riots were local to Los Angeles for the most part. As for people claiming they're going to go out killing whites or hispanics in that case, well, it hardly sounds like they need an excuse, does it---if they're willing to kill, they're willing to kill. Period.

So your stance is that anyone who would be willing to kill for any reason is just looking for an excuse?

achilles wrote:Meanwhile, there are apparently threats all over Twitter to kill whites and or hispanics should Zimmerman be acquitted. Along with calls to simply ignore the law and convict him to avoid the inevitable huge race riots should he be acquitted. Which to my mind overstates by just a tiny bit what will happen in that case.

Somehow I don't think Martin plays the same role that say Rodney King did, and even the King riots were local to Los Angeles for the most part. As for people claiming they're going to go out killing whites or hispanics in that case, well, it hardly sounds like they need an excuse, does it---if they're willing to kill, they're willing to kill. Period.

I think this is inevitable due to slavery. All we can really hope for is that the white people don't decide to defend themselves or complain about this to their spouses in private after they are attacked and/or murdered. The real tragedy would be if one of them said a dirty word.

Cat-Scratch wrote:It's simple, this hinges on some American law. I'm a Canadian, so from a perspective here, he generated the situation and therefore is guilty. But as said, if the court gives a good argument for that law and withing that law, I'll probably change my mind.

Cat-Scratch wrote:OH. Well, Zimmerman is guilty. He admitted he shot the kid. Can't claim self defense when he admitted to having approached the kid first.

Ignorance of the law is not a defence and it isn't grounds for an offence either.

Cat, if I'm neighbourhood watch and I profile you because you're in visiting my gated community, you do not have the right to commit Felony Assault because I'm up in yo biznass and you're butt-hurt over being the victim of racial discrimination.

Ironically enough, after you commit Felony Assault against me because of the chip on your shoulder, I do have the to right pull out my registered handgun and defend myself with lethal force.

Thunderstorm wrote:I think this is inevitable due to slavery. All we can really hope for is that the white people don't decide to defend themselves or complain about this to their spouses in private after they are attacked and/or murdered. The real tragedy would be if one of them said a dirty word.

achilles wrote:As I understand it, they don't have to assert that at all for it to be in effect. Regardless, he never gave up a right to self defence, (hi GOSD!).

And things are looking very good for Zimmerman right now. The prosecution has managed to cast doubt on every prosecution witness so far, except for the prosecution witnesses that actually seem to be working for the defence, (hi GOSD!). There's that one guy who noted that immediately after, he saw Zimmerman's injuries, entirely consistent with Zimmerman's story, which he also upheld in its other specifics.

Even the Martin family is busy lying it's collective ass off by now denying that they ever, and I do mean EVER, (in best Y2J voice), tried to make it about race. Good luck selling that one given that it's all on record.

They entirely do, it's a completely different judge and hearing.

The one thing I don't know at this point is if Zimmerman's perjury case is admissable.

achilles wrote:As I understand it, they don't have to assert that at all for it to be in effect.

Well, define what you mean by "in effect"?

As I understand it, and I'm in Florida, so I've been forced to learn, you both may be right about stand your ground. Sorta.

A stand your ground hearing is held to determine if a case applies, and if it does, there IS no criminal trial. It's not something that effects a criminal trial in and of itself, by which I mean, there's no such thing as a "not guilty by reason of stand your ground law.". So, that's what Hab is talking about: they chose to pass on that hearing, which means they went to criminal trial.

Now, where he's mistaken, and your point comes in, is that nobody "waived" anything. The Zimmerman defense team pointed out that, while it is the usual practice to have that hearing pre-trial, nothing in the law specifically REQUIRES it to be held pretrial, so they can still request that motion anytime they want, like say, after the prosecution rests their case, etc.

At least, that's how the local media talking heads and legal experts have been explaining it.