Interesting, I don't really care if it was right or not, it seems to work.

He also mentioned the -9 yard run from Woodhead that was apparantly supposed to be a toss back play. Horton says he and his guys knew what was coming after having watched that play being used more than once against this type of defense.

Maybe it was maybe it wasn't, but I know Dockett was probably just reading run and went out there and made the play.

Also;

Quote:

Brady was in the shotgun 39 times on Sunday (including penalties aand two-point conversion). The Patriots ran it 11 times, and threw 28 times on those snaps.

Meanwhile, Brady was under center 43 times in the game (including penalties), and the Patriots ran it just 17 times on those plays. So they actually passed the ball more when Brady was under center than ran it.

Is it the above or the below??

Quote:

"According to the NFL Game Summary, the Patriots ran 47 plays out of the shotgun formation. Of those 47, 39 were passes, so Horton wasn't exactly 100% on, but there was certainly a tendency for New England to throw out of that formation."

Brady was in the shotgun 39 times on Sunday (including penalties aand two-point conversion). The Patriots ran it 11 times, and threw 28 times on those snaps.

Meanwhile, Brady was under center 43 times in the game (including penalties), and the Patriots ran it just 17 times on those plays. So they actually passed the ball more when Brady was under center than ran it.

Is it the above or the below??

Quote:

"According to the NFL Game Summary, the Patriots ran 47 plays out of the shotgun formation. Of those 47, 39 were passes, so Horton wasn't exactly 100% on, but there was certainly a tendency for New England to throw out of that formation."

Now here’s the reality. Thanks to the new availability of coaches film from the NFL Game Rewind service, which charts plays and allows each of them to be reviewed individually via an All-22 camera angle, Horton’s claim is just. flat. wrong.

Hernandez sprained his ankle on the third offensive snap. (Hardly enough time for Horton to spot any real tendencies.) After that, the Patriots ran out of shotgun formation 10 times — including the woulda-coulda-shoulda touchdown run from Danny Woodhead that was called back on a Gronk holding penalty. And the Pats passed when Brady lined up under center 11 times.

That’s 21 plays that directly contradict the tendencies that Horton boasted the Cardinals saw. Not one or two. Twenty-one!

We’re not going to try to figure out whether Horton was intentionally lying or whether he was grossly misinformed. Either way, the comment turns what was a high point of his coaching career quickly into a low point. (And, yes, I regret taking his words at face value and not checking the game tape sooner. I could make 50 Francesa-style excuses, but the fact remains that I erroneously trusted that Horton was telling the truth or something reasonably close to it.)

Besides, what did Horton gain from it? Thumping his chest inaccurately serves only to take credit away from the guys who earned the win on the field. So good luck commanding a room full of defensive players. It also will serve only to [inappropriate/removed] of Pats coach Bill Belichick — which won’t help Horton or any team for which he’s working whenever that team comes up against the Patriots again in the future.

Brady was in the shotgun 39 times on Sunday (including penalties aand two-point conversion). The Patriots ran it 11 times, and threw 28 times on those snaps.

Meanwhile, Brady was under center 43 times in the game (including penalties), and the Patriots ran it just 17 times on those plays. So they actually passed the ball more when Brady was under center than ran it.

Is it the above or the below??

Quote:

"According to the NFL Game Summary, the Patriots ran 47 plays out of the shotgun formation. Of those 47, 39 were passes, so Horton wasn't exactly 100% on, but there was certainly a tendency for New England to throw out of that formation."

I gave the links to the quotes.

I know that, I was asking, obviously the NFC Game Summary is lying then, which seems strange._________________

Now here’s the reality. Thanks to the new availability of coaches film from the NFL Game Rewind service, which charts plays and allows each of them to be reviewed individually via an All-22 camera angle, Horton’s claim is just. flat. wrong.

Hernandez sprained his ankle on the third offensive snap. (Hardly enough time for Horton to spot any real tendencies.) After that, the Patriots ran out of shotgun formation 10 times — including the woulda-coulda-shoulda touchdown run from Danny Woodhead that was called back on a Gronk holding penalty. And the Pats passed when Brady lined up under center 11 times.

That’s 21 plays that directly contradict the tendencies that Horton boasted the Cardinals saw. Not one or two. Twenty-one!

We’re not going to try to figure out whether Horton was intentionally lying or whether he was grossly misinformed. Either way, the comment turns what was a high point of his coaching career quickly into a low point. (And, yes, I regret taking his words at face value and not checking the game tape sooner. I could make 50 Francesa-style excuses, but the fact remains that I erroneously trusted that Horton was telling the truth or something reasonably close to it.)

Besides, what did Horton gain from it? Thumping his chest inaccurately serves only to take credit away from the guys who earned the win on the field. So good luck commanding a room full of defensive players. It also will serve only to [inappropriate/removed] of Pats coach Bill Belichick — which won’t help Horton or any team for which he’s working whenever that team comes up against the Patriots again in the future.

I would say this, the tendency of running with Hernandez in tight was picked up before this game.

The next drive, the pass to Lloyd was a smoke route (Again might be described as a run by our keys) So here we have 1 run from 1 shotgun play. To this point Gun = 5 passes 2 runs. 5 plays under center 5 runs (if you include smoke routes and runs) so to this point when under center you have seen 13 plays, 12 of which were run or smoke/screen plays.

So to this point, post Hernandez injury it is very possible that they picked up a tendency and ran with it the rest of the way. We don't know how a team classifies a screen or smoke route. If they classify it as a running play then there are more than a few indications that if they come out under center it is going to be a run play or sorts.

From what I have heard from Horton in the past I doubt he was intentionally lying here, nor was he at all trying to take away from what his defensive players did.

During the interview he made a point of saying things like it is a big trust thing for me to trust my defense to change what I have called based on a tendecy or formation, but I have faith in my guys to do that.

Really this is a storm in a teacup. It is not going to help or hurt Arizona going forward, nor is it going to hurt NE going forward if this is incorrect.

I also think it bears noting that Florio is a notorious Cardinals hater ever since he called Mike Sherman to be their coach, slam, dunk, coming back to sign a contract...and then we signed Whisenhunt._________________

A) Never seen Billy getting into a debate before. Usually it's MCC or Tmiz

B) Who is in the "fire Josh McDaniels" camp? Just wondering.

I was in the "Please don't hire McDaniels" camp

Same.

Can't stand McDaniels as a playcaller. I do think he's a pretty good coach in terms of fundamentals and technique but those strengths don't outweigh his often awful playcalling and total inability to make adequate in-game adjustments.

I will say though, when he calls a good game, it's a brilliant game plan. The problem is his game plans are very hit or miss. When they're bad, they're just incomprehensibly bad and often fail basic logic - probably because he gets into these grooves of trying to live up to the "Genius" label and out-thinks himself. Charlie Weis had a number of those moments but IMO the fundamentals of his playcalling are better than those of McDaniels_________________

Even though McDaniels playcalling was horrendous, I still expect this team to pick up speed and at least grab 12 wins this season. I feel the Patriots as a whole are one of the best teams in adjusting their game plans week in and week out.

I don't expect Josh to get fired, but what are the odds of Belichick taking over playcalling if the offense continues to sputter?_________________
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Even though McDaniels playcalling was horrendous, I still expect this team to pick up speed and at least grab 12 wins this season. I feel the Patriots as a whole are one of the best teams in adjusting their game plans week in and week out.

Until it's in-game and McDaniels sticks to the gameplan that is clearly not working. That's what I loved about O'Brien last year. If I remember correctly, it always seemed like he made great half-time adjustments._________________
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