Comments on Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume LocallyTypePad2016-01-21T16:30:32ZDMhttps://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/01/poland-once-again-produces-more-history-than-it-can-consume-locally/comments/atom.xml/Jakub Tajsiak commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d264b21a970c2017-02-26T17:34:41Z2017-02-26T17:34:41ZJakub TajsiakI have to compeltely disagree with a typical British out of focus view of Poland and our history, and indeed...<p>I have to compeltely disagree with a typical British out of focus view of Poland and our history, and indeed our current politics. Peter Hitchens whom I do keep in high regard has to seriously read up more before shifting simplistic shortcuts and quite absurd myths around.</p>
<p>Read up on the Magdalenka meeting, and the Night Shift of the Olszewski&#39;s govt in the early 90s. </p>Kevin 1 commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80e5ac9970b2016-01-29T14:38:51Z2016-01-29T14:56:33ZKevin 1No need for an apology to me, Mr Taylor. It was simply an attempt on my part to add a...<p>No need for an apology to me, Mr Taylor. It was simply an attempt on my part to add a helpful comment to the general flow and was in no way an attempt at a put down, but thanks anyway.</p>David Taylor commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d198616a970c2016-01-29T12:20:39Z2016-01-29T14:56:33ZDavid TaylorAlan Thomas , I do try to take things with a pinch of salt , I was simply recalling a...<p>Alan Thomas , I do try to take things with a pinch of salt , I was simply recalling a conversation in which that was mentioned , in reply to your other question , I do not think they are having much success in saving , converting people back to or introducing them to the faith . I have a question , how do you confuse a jehovahs witness ? ask them in .<br />
Happy Friday , all the best for the weekend .</p>David Taylor commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b3133d970d2016-01-29T09:48:31Z2016-01-29T11:48:46ZDavid TaylorKevin 1 thank you , quite happy to be corrected , my comment was only a recalled memory of a...<p>Kevin 1<br />
thank you , quite happy to be corrected , my comment was only a recalled memory of a conversation with an old friend who was religious , I should have made that clear .</p>Alan Thomas commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b312f0970d2016-01-29T09:45:07Z2016-01-29T11:48:46ZAlan ThomasDavid Taylor There are all sorts of subject that claim the attention of the 'informed' - Premier football teams being...<p>David Taylor</p>
<p>There are all sorts of subject that claim the attention of the &#39;informed&#39; - Premier football teams being an example. But taking &#39;support-come-what-may&#39; into account is probably wise before accepting other&#39;s views as &#39;gospel&#39; or otherwise...do you not think? </p>Kevin 1 commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1981904970c2016-01-28T19:43:49Z2016-01-28T19:43:49ZKevin 1@ David Taylor I might be wrong, I was surfing channels at the time, but I'm pretty certain I heard...<p>@ David Taylor</p>
<p>I might be wrong, I was surfing channels at the time, but I&#39;m pretty certain I heard it stated on that programme chaired by Stephen Fry that, the USA has more missionaries entering the country to save souls than any other and *not* the UK.</p>David Taylor commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80dfe3c970b2016-01-28T18:46:35Z2016-01-28T18:46:35ZDavid TaylorAlan Thomas , No mate He did not give me any details , He was well informed on these things...<p>Alan Thomas , No mate He did not give me any details , He was well informed on these things . He was very religious Himself and He took it as a personal insult , that any missionaries would come to Britain .Especialy the religion that apparently baptises long dead people into their version of faith .<br />
He did not believe in Darwinism either .</p>Alan Thomas commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b2a3f7970d2016-01-28T13:28:05Z2016-01-28T13:28:05ZAlan ThomasDavid Taylor Did your reliable informer give you any indication of when these missionaries arrived on the scene and what...<p>David Taylor</p>
<p>Did your reliable informer give you any indication of when these missionaries arrived on the scene and what level of success was achieved? </p>David Taylor commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d197dfe7970c2016-01-28T10:11:50Z2016-01-28T10:11:50ZDavid TaylorI can only assume that this argument about Roman Catholics etc came about because of PHs reference to the secular...<p>I can only assume that this argument about Roman Catholics etc came about because of PHs reference to the secular EU and the resilient religious tendency of Poland .<br />
I would point out for information that the Country with the largest number of missionaries sent to try to save its people from eternal damnation is , I am reliably informed by a lay preacher , The United Kingdom .</p>David Taylor commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80dccc4970b2016-01-28T10:11:49Z2016-01-28T10:11:49ZDavid TaylorI can only assume that this argument about Roman Catholics etc came about because of PHs reference to the secular...<p>I can only assume that this argument about Roman Catholics etc came about because of PHs reference to the secular EU and the resilient religious tendency of Poland .<br />
I would point out for information that the Country with the largest number of missionaries sent to try to save its people from eternal damnation is , I am reliably informed by a lay preacher , The United Kingdom .</p>louiseyvette commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b25253970d2016-01-27T19:42:09Z2016-01-28T08:15:24ZlouiseyvetteMy last here. To Lawrence: Death, judgment, heaven and hell are all in the Bible. You will find plenty of...<p>My last here. To Lawrence:</p>
<p>Death, judgment, heaven and hell are all in the Bible. You will find plenty of references to hell in the Sermon on the Mount for example.</p>
<p>&#39;Anonymous&#39; uses the Bible, which the Catholic Church partially wrote and declared canonical (i.e. it determined which books were and were not authoritative).</p>
<p>&quot; why has no Catholic ever tried to warn or convert me?&quot;</p>
<p>This is a very dark time in the Church right now, which has included the lack of proper teaching for at least the last 50 years. Hence, most Catholics are not really aware of the fact that we are meant to evangelise in order to save souls.</p>
<p>&quot;...If they had the resources your church commands they would have converted half the world by now.&quot;</p>
<p>Perhaps. Some of us are trying to make up for it now.</p>
<p>If you have any more questions for me, I do also comment regularly at the Catholic Herald.</p>
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<p>.....<br />
All my life ive heard wonderful things about the pope. As a child I spent most of my time at my grandmothers house which was plastered with images and photos of the pope in every room. I even used to pray with a gold Vatican medal the pope gave my father just because the pope had touched it.</p>Anonymous commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80d6ce3970b2016-01-27T16:19:14Z2016-01-27T16:19:14ZAnonymousLawrence "My question though is the core one: Is the Catholic faith true?" > No, it is a man made...<p>Lawrence &quot;My question though is the core one: Is the Catholic faith true?&quot;</p>
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No, it is a man made system, study and trust your Bible. Ask Jesus in prayer to help guide you to the truth. God bless.</p>Stopthewar commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1977ed2970c2016-01-27T16:17:03Z2016-01-27T16:17:03ZStopthewarLawrence "If one of you is right, billions of people who thought they were going to paradise may be screaming...<p>Lawrence &quot;If one of you is right, billions of people who thought they were going to paradise may be screaming in unimaginable pain, right now, forever. Ever since I was told about hell when I was 6 or 7, I have always hoped no such place exists.&quot;</p>
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No such place exists Lawrence, this is Catholic scaremongering and is doing more harm than good as it reflects badly on Gods character, eternal torture is not taught in the Bible, however, everlasting punishment is - i.e extinction/death.</p>
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This is the same guy who wrote &quot;Secret Societies Debunked&quot;? In other words a useful idiot for hire. He knows who he needs to impress and what market wants to lap up his nonsense. He is a book seller Lawrence. He makes money selling books. I don&#39;t.</p>Anonymous commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80d6be7970b2016-01-27T16:08:39Z2016-01-27T16:08:39ZAnonymousali "Does anyone else find their jaw hitting the floor when they read the grotesque tirades against Catholics?" > Ali,...<p>ali &quot;Does anyone else find their jaw hitting the floor when they read the grotesque tirades against Catholics?&quot;</p>
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Ali, my mother is a Catholic, I love her, strong debate is not bigoted and wrong. It is how we separate the wheat from the chaff, truth from error. Even if that means we upset our loved ones. It is violence that is always wrong.</p>
<p>&quot;Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.&quot;</p>Anonymous commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b23791970d2016-01-27T16:03:29Z2016-01-27T16:03:29ZAnonymous3) Guy Fawkes night, > Strange how as soon as we stop burning Guy Fawkes every Nov 5th all of...<p>3) Guy Fawkes night, </p>
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Strange how as soon as we stop burning Guy Fawkes every Nov 5th all of a sudden we are capitulating to a Jesuit dominated EU. Do you think that perhaps are traditions were supposed to teach us something important? That history tends to repeat?</p>
<p>This blog is infiltrated by those seeking others adhere to a foreign power. I hope they will resist and stay faithful to God and country. And yes, I have utterly renounced my Irish side, although obviously I love my mother and get on ok with my uncles (who are mainly trendy buddhists now).</p>
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<p>1) Until I was 25 I thought IRA was the only terrorist group in NI.<br />
2) All my life I&#39;ve heard awful things about Catholics, &quot;the popes are in hell...&quot;.<br />
3) Guy Fawkes night, Drake, hero of the Main; evil Mary, wonderful Elisabeth...&quot;</p>
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Lawrence, I am genuinely saddened to hear you think you have been persecuted by Protestants who have called you names. Or done horrible things to effigies of terrorists who tried to mass murder Protestants by blowing up the Houses of Parliament.</p>
<p>Are you from Northern Ireland? I have never been there myself but I would guess, despite the propaganda, that even Catholics can give as good as they get at times? The Birmingham pub bombings comes to mind, where my father, a police officer had to pick up the dead parts of handicapped children and put them in a bag. </p>
<p>Lawrence, the only Protestant I have ever really known was my father and he was so lukewarm he was bordering on atheism at the times. </p>
<p>My family are all Irish Catholics. I was brought up a Catholic, but at the age of 10 I had a spiritual experience in which an angel told me the RCC had sadly fallen and was now the Mystery Babylon spoken off in Revelation 17 and that I had to tell my Catholic family this. Fortunately my grandmother believed me and I stopped attending just in time as the family priest was Father Christopher Clonan, (now deceased) a pedophile priest (and we did not know this at the time), as the Telegraph says &quot;Paedophile priest costs the Catholic Church £1m for a decade of sex abuse against boys&quot;. You can google him. Due to my spiritual experience and the angel telling us to flee Babylon he never got me.</p>
<p>&quot;Flee from Babylon! Run for your lives! Do not be destroyed because of her sins. It is time for the LORD&#39;s vengeance; he will repay her what she deserves.&quot; </p>
<p>Jer 51:6; Rev 17.</p>Stopthewar commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b7c80d6854970b2016-01-27T15:42:19Z2016-01-27T15:42:19ZStopthewarLawrence "I'm not defending Catholicism per se but " But?....<p>Lawrence &quot;I&#39;m not defending Catholicism per se but &quot;</p>
<p>But?....</p>Paul P commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01bb08b22c03970d2016-01-27T14:33:28Z2016-01-27T14:33:28ZPaul P@ouiseyvette | 25 January 2016 at 05:49 PM "Neither I nor any Catholic I know would ever refer to ourselves...<p>@ouiseyvette | 25 January 2016 at 05:49 PM</p>
<p>&quot;Neither I nor any Catholic I know would ever refer to ourselves as &quot;Roman Catholic.&quot; &quot;</p>
<p>It identifies one of the two sides of the Great Schism in Christendom in 1054, that between Western and Eastern Catholicism. The Roman rite stuck with the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, while the Eastern rite prevailed in Byzantium and beyond under the Bishop of Constantinople. The build up to schism began with the fall of the Western Roman Empire. In the West, &#39;Roman catholic&#39; and &#39;Catholic&#39; are essentially synonymous. </p>
<p>I was educated at Roman Catholic institutions in England. Although we never gave it much thought, I suppose we referred to ourselves as Catholics purely because adding &#39;Roman&#39; was as cumbersome as it was unnecessary. </p>Lawrence Bond commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d19762f7970c2016-01-27T11:19:08Z2016-01-27T13:35:38ZLawrence Bondlouiseyvette: "[are non-Catholics perhaps not saved?] Yes" Anonymous: "[Catholic Church] is the whore of Babylon and the office of papacy...<p>louiseyvette: &quot;[are non-Catholics perhaps not saved?] Yes&quot;<br />
Anonymous: &quot;[Catholic Church] is the whore of Babylon and the office of papacy is anti Christ&quot;</p>
<p>If one of you is right, billions of people who thought they were going to paradise may be screaming in unimaginable pain, right now, forever. Ever since I was told about hell when I was 6 or 7, I have always hoped no such place exists. </p>
<p>My last word on this subject: If you are correct, Louiseyvette, why has no Catholic ever tried to warn or convert me? Not a week goes by without a Jehovas Witness offering me a flyer, ringing the bell... If they had the resources your church commands they would have converted half the world by now. </p>ali commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1975fd1970c2016-01-27T10:23:40Z2016-01-27T13:35:38ZaliDoes anyone else find their jaw hitting the floor when they read the grotesque tirades against Catholics? It's like hauling...<p>Does anyone else find their jaw hitting the floor when they read the grotesque tirades against Catholics? It&#39;s like hauling in your nets and discovering a living fossil wriggling there.</p>Mark Jaremko commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1974b13970c2016-01-27T04:39:18Z2016-01-27T08:13:29ZMark JaremkoPeter, good article Between 1917-1919, Ukraine had 5 different declarations of independance. The German supported 'Directorate' was only a later...<p>Peter,</p>
<p>good article</p>
<p>Between 1917-1919, Ukraine had 5 different declarations <br />
of independance. The German supported &#39;Directorate&#39; was only<br />
a later one so its quite a stretch to imply that &#39;Ukraine was created<br />
by Germany to annoy Russia&#39;</p>louiseyvette commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1971eb9970c2016-01-26T19:42:53Z2016-01-26T19:42:53ZlouiseyvetteFellow contributors, I would gladly continue doing the rounds with you on this, but I have no desire to bore...<p>Fellow contributors, I would gladly continue doing the rounds with you on this, but I have no desire to bore Mr Hitchens to death. So I&#39;m a bit stuck, really. </p>
<p>I will reply briefly to Lawrence and say an emphatic &quot;yes&quot; to his question.</p>
<p>Ewan, I agree that the details of history should be closely examined together and acknowledged etc.</p>Lawrence Bond commented on 'Poland, once again, Produces More History than it can Consume Locally'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c565553ef01b8d1971314970c2016-01-26T18:30:47Z2016-01-26T18:30:47ZLawrence BondAnonymous writes (26/1): "You are in bed with a murderous foreign power... That makes you a traitor to both God...<p>Anonymous writes (26/1): &quot;You are in bed with a murderous foreign power... That makes you a traitor to both God and country... the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind... fifty millions of men and women who refused to be parties to Romish idolatries, who held to the Bible as the Word of God.&quot;</p>
<p>I&#39;m not defending Catholicism per se but please consider:</p>
<p>1) Until I was 25 I thought IRA was the only terrorist group in NI.<br />
2) All my life I&#39;ve heard awful things about Catholics, &quot;the popes are in hell...&quot;.<br />
3) Guy Fawkes night, Drake, hero of the Main; evil Mary, wonderful Elisabeth...</p>
<p>It&#39;s almost impossible for us to be objective about this faith. But modern, secular historians increasingly disagree with you &amp; the things we were taught. Google: Dominic Selwood &quot;How a protestant spin machine hid the truth...&quot; for a good summary. England was a devote Catholic country before the Tudor period. Through thuggery, systematic persecution &amp; desecration of almost every church in the land, the Protestant religion was forced on us.</p>
<p>My question though is the core one: Is the Catholic faith true? </p>