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9 I admire Trump's license to inconsistency. He is the perfect embodiment of the current zeitgeist and as a result has a real chance of going all the way.
Posted by: TrumpForte at September 10, 2015 06:28 AM (6mmmz)

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At least Trump is thinking, "shit, I better not piss off my supporters."

The GOP-e? Not so much.

Advantage, Trump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2015 06:23 AM (St6BJ)

That's exactly how I see it, JJ. And I'd much rather have a politician who cares what his constituents think than one who thinks he's so much better than the thoughtless little proles that he has to make every decision for them, for their own good.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 06:31 AM (J+mig)

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Flexibility - it's a good thing for tactics, not so much for values.

Morning, Glories! Where's the sun? Where's Vic? Where's my coffee? Oh, wait, I can take care of the last one...

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Are the elite doing better than the populous at making decisions right now? I would rather have a Trump who sticks in finger in the air to do what people want than the current buffoons who think they know better. You know the buffoons giving Iran the bomb.

Posted by: WOPR at September 10, 2015 06:36 AM (nRvEn)

23The other thing is McCocksucker and company are, what's the word? LIARS. And then they pretend how conservative they are to Chris Wallace and Chuck Todd.

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: Sulu at September 10, 2015 06:42 AM (u82oZ)

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27 Prediction: if nothing else changes, I think Cruz will take that VP slot.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2015 06:39 AM (St6BJ)

I agree. Cruz want to be president but he's not going to get a chance with the GOPe. He's young enough to be VP for Trump and then run after Trump is done.
Posted by: WOPR at September 10, 2015 06:41 AM (nRvEn)

He will also have Trump's ear on a daily basis, which is a good thing.

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Trump being Trump. I still don't think he is 100% in for the long run though.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2015 06:35 AM (iONHu)

My read on him? He's got everything a man can have, except a legacy. He wants one. And with the boat America's in, he's decided that he's got a fair chance of ending up on Rushmore if he manages to stay popular, give the American people what they want, and reverse this country's decline.He could very well be a cynical self-aggrandizer and still be the best man for the job. It all depends on what he delivers when and if he gets to the Oval Office.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 06:43 AM (J+mig)

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Diary Day Three: Running low on Pop Tarts, still no word from Publishers Clearing House and continuing to see Pink Ads for Feminine Hygiene Products. Must be getting delusional.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2015 06:43 AM (iONHu)

35
Old and busted: "Is the Pope Catholic?"
Renewed hotness: "Does a bear shit in the woods?"

Posted by: Spellcheck at September 10, 2015 06:44 AM (j+aWk)

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If we put them up at the UN building, then fine. Otherwise, fuck 'em. Let the stupid Krauts have as many as they can eat.

Australia is wisely allowing only Christians, who are actually refugees, and not a 5th column.

Posted by: mojo at September 10, 2015 06:47 AM (OmBeX)

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The Right Scoop has been engaging in very misleading headlines about this since the other night. Ever since Trump went on O'Reilly, TRS has claimed that Trump said we should take them in, when context shows Trump ALSO said: "we need to find out where they are coming from and what they represent... they are a security risk... ISIS" might be among them. So, Trump's been wise to the dangers all along.

I would also suggest that Trump would want to take in only the Christians (as Abbott in Australia is doing) because Trump has defended Middle Eastern Christians in every speech for weeks now. Further, Trump has complained that Syrian Christians cannot get into America, yet Syrian Muslims can very easily.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at September 10, 2015 06:48 AM (xetep)

38If Trump becomes president his biggest, most vicious opponent will be the GOP - especially if Ted Cruz is the VP.

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You guys are a year too early with your VP speculation. Lets see who is still in the race next fall.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 06:50 AM (R5dBL)

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39 That's a good thing, and I'm glad that he has clarified his position to more clearly align with Carly's. It will make it easier for her to choose him as her choice for VP.
Posted by: goon at September 10, 2015 06:48 AM (gy5kE)

This is why all anti-Trump criticisms are annoying and why they are ignored. You literally cannot get any worse than the GOPe. No real difference between them and the Dems. Anything else would by definition be an improvement.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 10, 2015 06:52 AM (CrC03)

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The outrage at admitting only Christians would be hilarious. Heads would explode on every channel and on every blog. Do it!

Posted by: goon at September 10, 2015 06:52 AM (gy5kE)

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Exactly, as opposed to "You'll eat your shit sandwich, and like it!"

This is why all anti-Trump criticisms are annoying and why they are
ignored. You literally cannot get any worse than the GOPe. No real
difference between them and the Dems. Anything else would by definition
be an improvement.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 10, 2015 06:52 AM (CrC03)

Even an honest knife in the back followed by maniacal laughter would be better than the whole pretend-fighting while rubber stamping the Obama agenda schtick.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 06:54 AM (J+mig)

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I didnt miss "If"; i just am helping you along rhe road to sobriety. One day at a time everyone.

Besides we still have der Fuhrer and his band of Progressives to contend with for another fifteen months or so. How do you really know there will even be elections? Corker and McConnell will be sorely disappointed, what with all their ridiculous strategeries to make the Democrats look bad while destroying civilization, but they'll probably decide "meh- nothing we can really do. Not the hill to die on. Ok-no elections."

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 06:58 AM (R5dBL)

55
This map shows the results of a survey asking the world who they see as the biggest threat to world peace

https://goo.gl/K1iDwo

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 06:54 AM (iQIUe)

That makes me sad. It's also why I say fuck the rest of the world, in particular. They can all go to hell, I'm in Texas.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 06:58 AM (J+mig)

56I don't know how deep Trump's pockets really are, but I'd love to see a war chest set up right now with the goal of unseating McConnell, Corker, McCain, Graham, Alexander, Murkowski, Cochran and all the rest of the Vichy Quisling traitors.

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This map shows the results of a survey asking the world who they see as the biggest threat to world peace

https://goo.gl/K1iDwo

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 06:54 AM (iQIUe)

And yet we are still sending money and medicine and humanitarian aid to lots of those places. But then, I forgot to see the source of that map. Any dipshit can flap together a map and make a claim. It is suspect because it doesn't show us hating us.

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And yet we are still sending money and medicine and
humanitarian aid to lots of those places. But then, I forgot to see the
source of that map. Any dipshit can flap together a map and make a
claim. It is suspect because it doesn't show us hating us.

Posted by: goon at September 10, 2015 07:00 AM (gy5kE)

That's because God Bless America still outnumbers God Damn America. If we don't fix the border situation, though, it'll be Viva Aztlan in 20 years or less.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 07:02 AM (J+mig)

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Remember how the words "European" and "Union" used to appear in juxtaposition?

Denmark has suspended all rail links with Germany after police stopped hundreds of migrants at the border. Danish police also closed a motorway between the two countries when some asylum seekers began walking north after being forced off a train.

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It doesn't matter who you vote for, all that matters is who the Party nominates.

Posted by: mojo at September 10, 2015 07:07 AM (OmBeX)

There will be 99% turnout and 99% of the vote for The Party's approved candidate. The Party is even humble enough not to claim 100%, because that's an obvious lie, but it's so beloved that only crackpots and traitors to the state would ever vote against it! Report your non-voting and wrong-voting neighbors today!Also, the 5 year plan calls for more potatoes. Please plant more potatoes. Do it for the wodka. Nobody wants to go through Communism sober.

7022 Are the elite doing better than the populous at making decisions right now? I would rather have a Trump who sticks in finger in the air to do what people want than the current buffoons who think they know better. You know the buffoons giving Iran the bomb.

Posted by: WOPR at September 10, 2015 06:36 AM (nRvEn)

What a unique idea, that thing about doing what the people want. That's a mind blowing leap in leadership style!

Posted by: goon at September 10, 2015 07:10 AM (gy5kE)

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I think it's time we admit there's only one rational explanation for the GOPe's behavior in Congress: the other guys have several mid-sized nukes already deployed in the sewers under DC, the President has, patriotically, shared this information with the congressional leadership, and we have to find a way to surrender while still saving some face. Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, however unlikely, is the truth. Watson my gladstone; the game's afoot.

The best we can hope for now is a series of hearings, after the Caliphate is established, to make sure this Never Happens Again.

On a related note, Carly Fiorina has a thigh gap. Fine looking person in general, and especially considering her age vs Our Flawed Concepts of Youth and Beauty. Well, she's still not "my" candidate, but hey, thigh gap, hittable.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 10, 2015 07:11 AM (xq1UY)

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Voting for the same candidates over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of being a stupid fucking voter. Posted by: RickZ at September 10, 2015 07:08 AM (HEtQ3)

I agree, and I've done write-ins with my own name before just to avoid having to vote for some asshole I couldn't stand.

And then I'd tell people that at least I got more votes in the last election than they did.

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Off, Party-Approved Sock! You will be folded and put back in the drawer with loving care for when the time comes.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 07:12 AM (J+mig)

74I've done write-ins with my own name before just to avoid having to vote for some asshole I couldn't stand.

Had to spend one whole work day with an employee, for a Mandated Study.In chatting, he revealed that I was the second-biggest asshole he'd ever worked for. Oh there was worse? I axed. "Oh yeah. I was self-employed."

76Calls for Christians to be given priority among Syrian refugees are discriminatory and reinforce a sense Muslims "are always going to be vilified in the Australian community," the country's highest Sunni authority has said.

Society really needs to grow up and quit being so discriminatory against murderers, rapists, kidnappers, torturers, misogynists, civilization-wreckers, and those who discriminate against non-Muslims.

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I don't think there's anybody that thinks that Trump is actually a great choice. He's just pretty much the only choice.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If we don't get control of the border now and deal with our own refugee crisis, in less than 20 years, the USA will be dead and gone, replaced by a typical Bolivarian Socialist trainwreck called Aztlan.

Nobody else is talking anything resembling common sense when it comes to immigration.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 07:25 AM (J+mig)

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Yes. Trump is taking that position with language that allows him a backdoor if they try to "dead child" him.

trump has huckster's position on PP, and they released a statement praising him.

But please regale us on how Trump is the idiot. Lol.

Trump is going to see this to the end, if for nothing else how viciously he has been attacked. If those dumb fucks at nro had simply been polite, perhaps Trump would have a way out. Now he has to go all the way.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 07:36 AM (S85kT)

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You know I love women, but sometimes you have to treat them like shit.

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The 14.25 tax was on those with assets of over 10MM, but please continue your lying.

For years Trump has been warning about muslim immigration, but even conservative blogs took him out of context re refugees. Sigh. It's very annoying that what i consider great blogs haven't done their fucking homework.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 07:43 AM (S85kT)

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I'd be willing to take in the Syrian Christians, who really are at risk and in need of sanctuary. Problem is, how do you separate out the real ones from the taqiyya-lying fake ones?

Give 'em a ham sammich

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 07:43 AM (qjfjx)

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97 The UK yeah, they have a GREAT health plan. I think we need single payer health care here. I don't mind waiting six months for an operation.

"We've got a great benefits package in the CIA. But staying alive; yeah, that's the key to the benefits package."

"... If the number of photographs is too high, meaning that the place where you are is already widely photographed, the Camera Restricta will formally forbid you to take a photograph, prompting you to find another approach...."

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"... If the number of photographs is too high, meaning that the place where you are is already widely photographed, the Camera Restricta will formally forbid you to take a photograph, prompting you to find another approach...."

I was just figuring on bacon.Then I thought "follow it up with Communion."If they break two dietary guidelines and participate in a kafir's religious ceremony, they're probably legit.But just in case, you videotape the whole thing and tell them that if they've been false, you're dumping them in Raqqa in an orange jumpsuit, hog tied, with a copy of the video taped to their back.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 07:48 AM (J+mig)

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RickB, i think so, at least at hot gas. It's ridiculous. But even breitbart fucked this up, although nolte was better.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 07:49 AM (S85kT)

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The creators have not really thought things out with the camera. It would wipe out photos of the Brandenburg Gate or the Christ state at Rio. Or the President of the United States, oh wait there is an upside.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 10, 2015 07:50 AM (9tnUZ)

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There is no process to determine Christian Syrian, from Extremists.

The extremists will eat a ham sandwich, burn a koran and even seek approval to widening his anal cavity with the assistance of fellow jihadi's to make space for explosives.

It's just a weak excuse to allow them in using the pillar of love mentality. Never works.

They'd just eat it. (Maybe throw it up later, but still). Taqiyya gives them permission to do whatever they need to do to fool the infidels. No dedicated Muslim is going to let a little pork stand between him and world domination (or that sweet, sweet western wealth).

123Problem is, how do you separate out the real ones from the taqiyya-lying fake ones?

I expect any good Syrian Orthodox priest could help you out with that one.I don't suppose a lot of wannabe terroristas are going to take 2 or 3 years of catechism classes just to make their cover story viable. And the tenets of Orthodox Christianity aren't covered in the madrasas curriculum, in any depth.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 10, 2015 07:51 AM (xq1UY)

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My dad was in Europe somewhere near Heidelberg and got in trouble for taking a picture of a sign that said basically "Don't take pictures of the documents displayed here".

Just the sign outside mind you but he said the attendant threw a fit.

Posted by: freaked at September 10, 2015 07:51 AM (BO/km)

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I gotta tell you, if a one time tax on those with more than 10MM in assets would have retired our national debt...

I wouldn't have given a fuck. In fact, sounds like a responsible thing to do.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 07:52 AM (S85kT)

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@108 "Looks like Yector has competition this morning.-Anti-socialist

They'd just eat it. (Maybe throw it up later, but still). Taqiyya gives them permission to do whatever they need to do to fool the infidels. No dedicated Muslim is going to let a little pork stand between him and world domination (or that sweet, sweet western wealth).

136You know I love women, but sometimes you have to treat them like shit.
Posted by: The Clown Donald at September 10, 2015 07:37 AM (0FSuD)

Yes, because when Sandra Bernhard screamed that she wanted Sarah Palin to be raped by a bunch of big black bucks, Juan McStain halted his campaign and demanded a public apology and called for boycotting any MFM outlet she appeared on.

Failed to defund Planned Parenthood.
Failed to pass a ban on abortions pas 20 weeks.
Ensured Iran will get nukes.
Failed to defund/stop Obama's illegal immigration orders.
Failed to defund, let alone repeal, Obamacare.
Failed to stop using Continuing Resolutions.
Failed to cut government spending.
Failed to stop the IRS from persecuting conservatives.
I could keep going, but you get the picture.

Most, if not all, of these were campaign promises. But...but...the GOPe only has a majority in the Senate and House! You can't expect them to be able to DO things!!!

More than 20 terror plots have been foiled in New York since the September 11, 2001 terror attacks, according to the city's police chief on Tuesday (Sep , who said the risk of another devastating attack remains "greater than ever". ... "in many respects, we currently face a greater likelihood of attack than we have seen in years".-ChannelNewsAsia
http://bit.ly/1Qqp0t3

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A point well taken. Not the most important problem the nation faces.I would suggest re arming and facing China and Russia is our first priority, unless you speak Mandarin. Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 07:58 AM (0FSuD)

China's falling apart economically, they couldn't launch operations if they wanted to, and while Russia now has a few nice post-Soviet toys, most of their military is using gear that should have been sent to the scrapheap decades ago.I think you're vastly overestimating the threat they pose, and vastly underestimating how close we are to hitting a tipping point when it comes to foreign culture swamping and replacing our own. It's already happened in parts of FL, whenever I go to visit my brother, it's nothing but Spanish language billboards. Most of the reason for that ain't my old Cubano friends, either...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:02 AM (J+mig)

149
Trump is basically the embodiment of revenge porn against the establishment.

Failed to defund Planned Parenthood.
Failed to pass a ban on abortions pas 20 weeks.
Ensured Iran will get nukes.
Failed to defund/stop Obama's illegal immigration orders.
Failed to defund, let alone repeal, Obamacare.
Failed to stop using Continuing Resolutions.
Failed to cut government spending.
Failed to stop the IRS from persecuting conservatives.
I could keep going, but you get the picture.

Most, if not all, of these were campaign promises. But...but...the GOPe only has a majority in the Senate and House! You can't expect them to be able to DO things!!! "

You got that right.........But........Well, maybe vote them into the WH one more time and that will all chance.

ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: Drider at September 10, 2015 08:02 AM (6Xbsz)

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139 They can come up with a solid immigration position or they can go home.

Trump doesn't have a solid immigration position, he has a fantasy immigration position.

And besides, what is to stop him from changing his mind tomorrow and deciding that illegals are now totes okay?
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 07:58 AM (2XMpf)

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Well in negotiations you start by laying out what you want and then some, not what you expect to get. If our starting position is "meeting them halfway" (which is the default negotiation tactic of the GOP) we will always lose.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:03 AM (LXJ1e)

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The question unasked. How does SC, the heart of the South, have TWO ghey senators? Seriously.

156The question unasked. How does SC, the heart of the South, have TWO ghey senators? Seriously.

It's that dance they do in the coastal areas. The Shag. Or maybe it's the mustard bbq sauce. Gotta be one of these.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2015 08:03 AM (JO9+V)

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The thing is, states have tried to pass this kind of stuff an they keep getting overruled by courts. Courts the problem IMO.
Posted by: Lea at September 10, 2015 07:59 AM (vmMMi
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The problem is, they wouldn't even take a vote on it because "war on wimmenz!!!!"

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The Daily Caller has hit rock bottom in click-baitery. They've posted pictures of Katy Perry for no reason other than she's bursting out of her dress, grinning all the while. Feminists should be up in arms over this!

I was so disgusted I spent fifteen minutes contemplating the pictures before posting them for you.

Everyone else's default position is "let them in" and "more H1B", without any real effort to secure the border.So if Trump caves and goes full illegal immigration, we're back where we'd be with anybody else. And the USA still dies in 20 years.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:05 AM (J+mig)

165It's that dance they do in the coastal areas. The Shag. Or maybe it's the mustard bbq sauce. Gotta be one of these.

168
I like Trump and Jindal and Cruz. I would also vote for Walker if he was the nominated candidate. But we have to be prepared for an endless onslaught of abuse aimed at Trump or Cruz by the GOPE and the MSM. The MSM and GOPe are at war with America.

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That camera is the stupidest idea yet. Go on vacation to Niagara Falls or the Grand Canyon and not be able to take pictures? I am sure the cameras will be flying off the shelves.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at September 10, 2015 08:07 AM (FIrEF)

170
prescient11 calling people delusional is not scoring you any points.

Posted by: freaked at September 10, 2015 08:07 AM (BO/km)

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134 Nah, just sick of the Trump love. What happen to Carly and Scott?
People that aren't fucking idiots?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 07:54 AM (0FSuD)

Nice big write up in NRO about what happened to Walker. Apparently he is getting so much conflicting advice from "consultants" that he is getting confused.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:07 AM (LXJ1e)

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The Daily Caller has hit rock bottom in click-baitery. They've posted pictures of Katy Perry for no reason other than she's bursting out of her dress, grinning all the while. Feminists should be up in arms over this!

I was so disgusted I spent fifteen minutes contemplating the pictures before posting them for you.

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168 I like Trump and Jindal and Cruz. I would also vote for Walker if he was the nominated candidate. But we have to be prepared for an endless onslaught of abuse aimed at Trump or Cruz by the GOPE and the MSM. The MSM and GOPe are at war with America.
Posted by: Chilling the most at September 10, 2015 08:06 AM (BI43k)

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Agree. I probably could have written that myself.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:08 AM (LXJ1e)

Look Trump is no foriegn policy expert and he admits as much, BUT BUT BUT unlike the jackass in the White House, Trump probably has Foreign Policy wonks on his payroll now and he actually LISTENS TO THEM..like any good Exec does.

Fuck Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:08 AM (gf8BH)

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Miz Lindsay is a Southern belle. You can't blame Yankees for that one.

A couple of thoughts. First it's the silly season. Is anybody but the political junkies paying attention?

Second, the GOPe has already crowned Jeb as the one to beat well before the silly season started. Carly and Scott were never going to be in play. If Trump, drops we will once again be shown who we're supposed to vote for.

So, silly season and a poke in the GOPe eye. Go Trump!

IMHO

Posted by: Usedtocould at September 10, 2015 08:09 AM (pz+6x)

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Nice big write up in NRO about what happened to Walker. Apparently he is getting so much conflicting advice from "consultants" that he is getting confused.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:07 AM (LXJ1e)
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I can believe this. Some of the things he has said in the past few weeks have been off the rails.

182A point well taken. Not the most important problem the nation faces.

I suggest that you are incorrect. The current immigration policy tells citizens that their citizenship means nothing. Who will fight for us should we need to fight? I laughed at a leftist tweet yesterday that said,'if the Republicans oppose the Iran deal they should enlist their children in the military for the war it will cause". The military is majority Rep. with a seriously Southern over representation. The combat arms are more so.

Again, who will do the fighting if we destroy the American Compact with its citizen soldiers?

184I like Trump and Jindal and Cruz. I would also vote for Walker if he was the nominated candidate. But we have to be prepared for an endless onslaught of abuse aimed at Trump or Cruz by the GOPE and the MSM. The MSM and GOPe are at war with America.

Posted by: Chilling the most at September 10, 2015 08:06 AM (BI43k)

So the eGOPs are progressive Democrats? Tell me something I don't already know.

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>>157The problem is, they wouldn't even take a vote on it because "war on wimmenz!!!!"
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 10, 2015 08:03 AM (Aivl/)

I'm not defending them on this, but i would honestly rather see focus on things that can be done. I'm tired of bills voted on just to make some political points. Let's actually focus on things that can be done.

They could have defunded planned parenthood or something like that.

Posted by: Lea at September 10, 2015 08:12 AM (vmMMi)

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I think Carly is going to regret being on the same stage with Donald.

Look, she can't escape her disasterous tenure at HP.

You know what the "moderators" at the CNN debate are going to do.

They are going to set up confrontations with Trump and the other candidates and when they pit Trump against Carly, he's going to end her campaign.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to the Carly fans of which I was one but it is now clear to me and absoluty essential it is for Trump to be the nominee.

He's a paradigm shift from the established order.

And that's what our ossified politics needs right about now.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 10, 2015 08:12 AM (0tvq+)

194 Trump now says America has TOO MANY PROBLEMS to accept migrants from Syria

It's like he wants me to vote for him.

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2015 08:12 AM (FcR7P)

195
This map shows the results of a survey asking the world who they see as the biggest threat to world peace

https://goo.gl/K1iDwo

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They like us! They really, really like us!

Posted by: The Great _______ Snark at September 10, 2015 08:12 AM (ee9LE)

Freaked, there is no other word that fits someone who thinks sessions' policy is a fantasy or not conservative. Delusional is literally the best descriptor. I'm not interested in points, just truth.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 08:13 AM (S85kT)

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trump said we had big problems at home on o'reilly too, so the big problems rationale isn't a flip flop

he's changed his mind on how strong the humanitarian motive is, and I think he's right to ask why Gulf states aren't helping

of course the Gulf states have never taken in the "Palestinian" refugees so what do you expect

Europe is fucked over by its globalist elite again

Posted by: Feh at September 10, 2015 08:13 AM (Uk9e2)

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Again, who will do the fighting if we destroy the American Compact with its citizen soldiers?

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 08:09 AM (i7JE3)

They'll draft people and hand them guns.The people they draft and force to fight on their behalf will fight poorly and flee.So then they'll decide they need political officers that they fear more than death in combat to keep them in line.The far left is very predictable. Their playbook never really changes.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:13 AM (J+mig)

People who are deluded don't see the truth and you usually can't make them, especially by insulting them.

Of course the truth is very elusive nowadays so I submit that we are all somewhat deluded.

Posted by: freaked at September 10, 2015 08:17 AM (BO/km)

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I'm probably the last guy to see this but, in case anyone else out there missed it, check out this picture of TFG holding up his nice fresh salmon. It's right at the bottom of the morning links. Gloves? Seriously?

http://bit.ly/1de52S5

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 08:17 AM (TxJGV)

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I hear you Cato but that just reinforces my point that immigration is damned important.

I have a left-libertarian guy that sometimes works with me. He said he'll consider Trump because of immigration.

I met a couple over the weekend. He's second generation and she's an immigrant. He wants an end to the flood.

I'm not a Trump guy but he is hitting that note quite well.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 08:17 AM (i7JE3)

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Trump has no standards or principles, he is just tapping into raw naked rage. That is what demagogues do and that is dangerous.

Maybe so, maybe not.But everyone else is sounding and acting like the same GOP-e squishes that keep betraying us. So we're left with a whole field that's pretty much interchangeable parts, and one that's obviously not like the others. Pretty clear-cut choice, really.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:17 AM (J+mig)

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They'll draft people and hand them guns.The people they draft and force to fight on their behalf will fight poorly and flee.So then they'll decide they need political officers that they fear more than death in combat to keep them in line.
The far left is very predictable. Their playbook never really changes.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:13 AM (J+mig)

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Your right. Don't forget these officers will pretty much just be gays and bull lesbians.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:17 AM (LXJ1e)

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Is it too much to ask for a candidate who is both anti-establishment AND has some principles?

We will see. Carly has shown herself to be very cool when she is under attack by hostile members of the MSM. I'm impressed with how she handles herself under fire. She's self-confident without being a loud-mouthed braggart.

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Gonna go feed the pets. Got a dentist appt this morning. Need to get my Driver License renewed. Not sure how to fit the yard work in. I'd rather sit here, drink coffee, and watch Trump Wars on Channel Ace of Spades, but fortunately Real Life has other plans.

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>>>> Trump has no standards or principles, he is just tapping into raw naked rage. That is what demagogues do and that is dangerous.

Reading elsewhere, it was remarked that Trump needs to make a couple of major speeches on serious issues to flesh out his candidacy. Depending on content, would that alter anything for you? Say he spoke at length on domestic policy, and then on foreign policy, and he hit a majority of notes you agreed with and his proposals made sense to you.

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I'm probably the last guy to see this but, in case anyone else out there missed it, check out this picture of TFG holding up his nice fresh salmon. It's right at the bottom of the morning links. Gloves? Seriously?

Pic on Facebook is captioned, "2 out of 3 women don't need gloves"

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 08:22 AM (qjfjx)

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With all that is before us in the way the GOPe has, as McCarthy put it. Surrendered and play fights on every single issue that means anything.
In the end, conservatives will pull the lever for Bush, call it a day and continue down the path that led us here. t=The surefire result of that is that it gives people another 4-8 years to come back and complain every day. We get another boogy man to play with.

You would think at some point those conservatives would finally realize that there are no options left and simply roll the dice.

So the question we have to be asking ourselves is if there's probable cause to believe he poses a greater danger than business as usual.Given that business as usual is killing this country, and will kill it in short order if it continues...I don't see how you can possibly argue that carrying on the same failed strategy is a good plan.We're out of options, and this one sucks slightly less than the others, and has the virtue of not having been tried.For bonus points, the media hates him.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:23 AM (J+mig)

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I don't suffer from TDS. I'm opposed to raw demagoguery in principle. It could be Trump or anyone else.

I think Jonah Goldberg got it mostly right in his critique of the conservative "movement" vis a vis Trump. If "conservatism" now means "support the shouty guy who changes his mind every 3 minutes on all the important issues but he can be trusted because he says he LOVES AMERICA", then WTF is conservatism anymore?

But is all that the Trumpites around here want is to destroy the GOPe? Is that the only thing?

Suppose Trump wins and the GOPe is vanquished. Then what?

If you want someone who is actually opposed to liberals, has fought the GOPe, and *actually has standard and principles*, then why not support Cruz instead?

Trump has no standards or principles, he is just tapping into raw naked rage. That is what demagogues do and that is dangerous.
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 08:15 AM (2XMpf)

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The problem with Cruz:

1) Cruz has been running for President since high school.

2) Cruz is an Ivy league lawyer.

3) Cruz has zero accomplishments in the Senate, zero.

4) Cruz would be the whipping boy if Trump wasn't in

5) For another, is he actually a natural born citizen?

6) Cruz wants more H1b visas

Having said all that, Cruz is smart enough to make nice-nice with Trump, why can't his supporters?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:25 AM (LXJ1e)

246Is it too much to ask for a candidate who is both anti-establishment AND has some principles?

You forgot to mention 'and electable'. No way Bush could win as everyone is tired of the Bushes. And Cruz, unfortunately for him, scares many people and so would also lose the election. Carson is just too nice for hardball politics. Fiorina, as has been mentioned, has an H1-B visa problem. And as also been mentioned, Walker is relying too much on the eGOP consultant class. Meanwhile, Trump is gaining momentum in the black community, something no other candidate can claim. Pulling in 10-15% of the black vote would ensure a Trump victory.

So just who do you think is conservative and could, you know, actually win?

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I saw a picture on Twitter yesterday of hundreds (possibly thousands) of "refugees" crowding a train station in Europe , and accompanying the picture was a comment that pointed out that among the "refugees" was not one child or one woman. All of the "refugees" as could be seen in the picture were young, military aged men.

My best guess:

The world is about to get uncomfortably interesting. And our representatives will have done it to us.

But at least Europe will be the first to enjoy the "unintended" consequences of this misplaced humanity.

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I wonder if the MSM reported the Revolt of the Central Command last night? Since I never watch MSM news I don't know how they handled it. All I know is that, were a Republican running things, we would have a Constitutional Crisis at hand, requiring intervention from friendly governments to save us, but- since TFG is the culprit- the news probably didn't even rate a mention.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 08:27 AM (TxJGV)

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I think Jonah Goldberg got it mostly right in his critique of the conservative "movement" vis a vis Trump. If "conservatism" now means "support the shouty guy who changes his mind every 3 minutes on all the important issues but he can be trusted because he says he LOVES AMERICA", then WTF is conservatism anymore?
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 08:25 AM (2XMpf)

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Based on past voting here is what conservatism means:

Bush I
Dole
Bush II
McCain
Romney

well, NO MORE!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:28 AM (LXJ1e)

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Having said all that, Cruz is smart enough to make nice-nice with Trump, why can't his supporters?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:25 AM (LXJ1e)

I like Cruz, and he was the only GOP candidate smart enough to welcome Trump into the race. Fact is, Trump is way better at media than Cruz. What am I supposed to do about that? Well, for starters, I choose to be happy that Cruz is working with Trump.

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Chemjeff, I would ask you to read nolte's and conservative treehouse's reply to goldberg. Those are much more persuasive and rational imho.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 08:29 AM (S85kT)

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The Daily Caller has hit rock bottom in click-baitery. They've posted
pictures of Katy Perry for no reason other than she's bursting out of
her dress, grinning all the while. Feminists should be up in arms over
this!

I was so disgusted I spent fifteen minutes contemplating the pictures before posting them for you.

http://bit.ly/1EPYXKQ

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 08:05 AM (TxJGV)

she needs to imprint the boobies in concrete

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at September 10, 2015 08:29 AM (phPur)

263Trump has no standards or principles, he is just tapping into raw naked rage. That is what demagogues do and that is dangerous.

A very fair point. Allow me to share my view - the GOPe has, through its inaction and its collaboration with the enemy, shown itself to be incapable of governing in a conservative manner, or of allowing conservatives (save for a few "show" conservatives, of which I believe Cruz to be one) a place in deciding national policy. They care more for their sinecures than their country.

As far as I'm concerned, the party needs to die. Its members - the Boehners, the McConnells, the McCains - ought to be stripped of their power and money and be forced to end up selling their bone marrow in order to afford food. That's not going to happen, but if Teh Donald is the agent by which they can be tossed out of office, I will take that, no matter what Trump's conduct in office might be.

What I want is petty, venal and self-serving, and I freely admit it: I don't want justice. I want revenge.

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but he's still the front runner to drive a big old wedge into the Uniparty

Posted by: Feh at September 10, 2015 08:26 AM (Uk9e2)

And that's the thing that most needs to be done. If we continue being a one-party system, we're finished. The globalists want us destroyed. Our history, our culture, and most of the American people will be wiped off the face of the Earth and the torch of Liberty will go out.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 08:29 AM (J+mig)

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Supporting the GOP as it currently exists is not conservative, either.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 08:29 AM (oVJmc)

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You answered your own question. I don't have the heart to do to my sons what you say your father would have done to you. I am physically more imposing than my father but he had me much more convinced that I shouldn't buck him than I do my own boys.

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Youngest kidlet likes Carson and has finally agreed to register to vote. Attending college as an engineering student. Yes, it is lonely being the only libertarian/republican on campus, but after a year of nagging, she has finally agreed to register!

Son living in Madison is so conflicted he is probably clinically conflicted as far as politics -- support his union buddies or his brain. We'll see how that one goes.

Oldest is total moonbat working for a big non-profit. Next is GOPe and gets her news from iPhone -- not a whole lot of thought going on there.

Me, old fart supporting Cruz. Kids can't understand how I can support a 'religious nut.' Interesting times.

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Chemjeff, even if he just loved himself, he is an american, ergo he loves america.

The guy has been consistent since 1988 at least. Please spare us this demagogue talk.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 08:32 AM (S85kT)

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" The globalists want us destroyed. Our history, our culture, and most of the American people will be wiped off the face of the Earth and the torch of Liberty will go out."

It's sorta as if they want what currently constitutes the United States to become rather a giant reservation for all of the world's refugees.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 10, 2015 08:32 AM (XHCpE)

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Please explain to me again how Duh Donald is a scarier demagogue than Bronko Bama.....

Donkey has established Presidents are emperors now.....

May as well have an American loving one rather than another globalist one...

Posted by: Sven10077 at September 10, 2015 08:33 AM (BXOyX)

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Ha ha, that was AL. SC never had the "heart of the South" on their tags.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 08:28 AM (0FSuD)

Didn't say they did......follow more closely.

Posted by: BignJames at September 10, 2015 08:33 AM (EICks)

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And what is this gloating about "Trump's gonna destroy Carly in the debate?"

Mitt DESTROYED his opposition in the debates and then was DESTROYED by Candy Crowley and Obama.

That's exactly what's fucking this country up - the desire to see pols we don't like DESTROYED with snappy one-liners rather than having an honest, substantial debate about really serious issues. You know, like a serious, adult country would do. That's because the country is not serious and adult, it's now the mean girls club , and, as such, is rooting for the "gotcha" questions and the snarky quip.

For some reason, I can't link the picture here, but in 1956, Jane Russell and Marilyn Monroe put their handprints in cement for the premiere of the movie Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. Monroe joked that, considering their respective assets, what they should have imprinted were Russell's breasts and Monroe's bottom.

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I like Cruz, and he was the only GOP candidate smart enough to welcome Trump into the race. Fact is, Trump is way better at media than Cruz. What am I supposed to do about that? Well, for starters, I choose to be happy that Cruz is working with Trump.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 10, 2015 08:28 AM (sJuWI)

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Cruz is recognizing the realignment in politics that is occurring and adapting.

Social conservatives (the majority of the GOP) are rejecting the big business GOP (maybe 5% of the GOP, but with a lot of money). In fact, with Trump, are earnestly trying to push them into the Democrat party.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 08:35 AM (LXJ1e)

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That's because the country is not serious and adult,
it's now the mean girls club , and, as such, is rooting for the
"gotcha" questions and the snarky quip.

He is just the symbol of the frustration of Ordinary non communist Americans.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:35 AM (gf8BH)

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The "seeds" of Alzheimer's disease may be transmitted from one person to another during certain medical procedures, scientists have found.

A study into people who died of a separate kind of brain disease after receiving injections of human growth hormone suggests that Alzheimer's may also be a transmissible disease.

The findings have raised questions about the safety of some medical procedures, possibly including blood transfusions and invasive dental treatment, which may involve the transfer of contaminated tissues or surgical equipment.

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Chemjeff, actually you cannot be both. The way the gope set it up, if
you don't support Trump you may get jeb! It has been set up this way!!

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 08:35 AM (S85kT)Umm there are 17 people running, 15 of whom are not named "Trump" or "Jeb".And even still, there is no inconsistency in rejecting all 17 of the candidates as not conservative enough and standing in favor of *actual conservative principles and values*.

I think (and this is my opinion only) that Trump's lack of principles is probably fairly overstated. People who make deals of the magnitude that Trump makes, have to be principled, have to be trusted, or nobody would make deals with them. Being successful at business (I would think) would also require that.

Trump probably comes within a magnitude or two of matching Obama in terms of ego, but at least he has been able to be successful in deploying that trait successfully as well. Where Obama's hyper-inflated ego is mostly just sickening.

Tapping into rage (again-my opinion) isn't necessarily a bad thing, if, in the long run and by results, extinguishes the rage.

Trump would not be my first choice as nominee, but he might be my second, and if he is the nominee, I will vote for him easily - out of rage.

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The "seeds" of Alzheimer's disease may be transmitted from one person to another during certain medical procedures, scientists have found.

A study into people who died of a separate kind of brain disease after receiving injections of human growth hormone suggests that Alzheimer's may also be a transmissible disease.

The findings have raised questions about the safety of some medical procedures, possibly including blood transfusions and invasive dental treatment, which may involve the transfer of contaminated tissues or surgical equipment.

He is just the symbol of the frustration of Ordinary non communist Americans.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:35 AM (gf8BH)And see I totally get that. I'm frustrated too. But I want to express my frustration via a candidate who is actually conservative, not Trump.

If Trump wasn't in the race, Cruz would still be towards the bottom of the pack. Trump, for all his flaws, is actually able to resonate with people. His immigration plan, you know the one on paper, actually talks about immigration for the benefit of citizens. No other candidate is talking like that. Instead it always sounds like we are obligated to take immigrants or we need immigrants because we are just too lazy.

Also, I think you are missing that Trump and Cruz seem to have some sort of agreement.

Posted by: WOPR at September 10, 2015 08:40 AM (nRvEn)

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I could never vote for Trump because he is just a huge ego, where as the other politicians running... Sorry.

I could never vote for Trump because he has multiple bankruptcies which shows he is bad with money, whereas the other politicians running... Um, let me start over.

I could never vote for Trump because he says one thing today and something different tomorrow, whereas the other politicians running... Huh. One more time.

I could never vote for Trump because I just don't trust him, whereas the other politicians running...

Trump 2016, He probably won't be as bad as the alternatives.

Posted by: JB1000 at September 10, 2015 08:40 AM (16OL0)

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What I want is petty, venal and self-serving, and I freely admit it: I don't want justice. I want

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And see I totally get that. I'm frustrated too. But I want to express my frustration via a candidate who is actually conservative, not Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 08:39 AM (2XMpf)

So do many of us. I am a Cruz supporter....but for the time being I am OK with Trump clearing the field for a Cruz or someone else and at the same time burying Jeb and the other RINOs. It's a long way to even the first Primary....keep your powder dry

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:41 AM (gf8BH)

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Read the Conservative Treehouse on the gope setup. Almost everyone else are fake candidates.

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Look on the bright side: If Trump wins, the MSM will be all in on fast tracking Constitutional amendments to clarify and restrict the powers of the President.

Posted by: despair at September 10, 2015 08:42 AM (ihXsr)

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And see I totally get that. I'm frustrated too. But I want to express my frustration via a candidate who is actually conservative, not Trump.

Then find one. Other than the other 16 in the current field. Because they ain't it.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 08:42 AM (qjfjx)

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Is there any person of any degree of conservatism in the race that is going to draw the Party of Nixon (actually, it's far more Left than that these days) back to the realm of sanity (much less ConservativeTown)?

At this point, upending the party has to be the beginning, and that entails blocking their electoral strategy to annoint Jeb Kasich.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 08:42 AM (oVJmc)

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309 And see I totally get that. I'm frustrated too. But I want to express my frustration via a candidate who is actually conservative, not Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 08:39 AM (2XMpf)

You can have that opportunity as soon as one of the actual conservatives starts pounding him in the polls. You can root for your guy (Cruz?) all you want. But attacking Trump for being Trump and in the lead is kind of futile, no?

325THIS. ChemJeff - if you want to understand why
Trump is running away with it, it's because the GOP-e created him. Or
the conditions that made him possible.

I suggest you vent your frustration and anger in that direction.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2015 08:38 AM (St6BJ)I'm frustrated at BOTHI'm frustrated that the GOPe cannot find its balls long enough to fight Obama and the left substantively on anything.I'm also frustrated that so many nominal conservatives are falling for the Trump schtick which has very little to do with conservative principles and values.I am deeply worried that so many conservatives (like my OWN PARENTS FFS) are SO pissed off and SO angry that they will sell out their principles for an obvious populist demagogue like Trump.I want a person in there who will fight for something because it is *the right thing to do*, not just because "the left opposes it" or "the establishment opposes it" as some act of revenge.

I think the question was not "if" you vote for Jeb but what "if" he wins. Then what.

And that goes for the other GOPe candidates.

also, the GOPe will break out the Mississippi shut out crew and do whatever it takes to make sure that Trump, Cruz, Carson or Jindal never see the inside of the WH. So your choices are limited in that regard.

I don't know. And I'll freely admit that. But I find it, at this distance, hard to believe that Trump could be in any measure worse than Obama. I also find it hard to believe that he would be as much of a collaborationist with the Democrats than the GOPe.

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Well, aren't we the special fucking snowflake!. Let me get on the horn with Reince and whip up an actual conservative candidate for you right now. Bwaaaahahahahaha. Take your vote and go home, Charlie Brown.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at September 10, 2015 08:43 AM (msVAP)

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Has anyone seen any indication in the reptilian brains of the GOP that they have the slightest glimmer of recognition that Trump's success is because the base is so very, very pissed off at them?

Posted by: Drider at September 10, 2015 08:43 AM (6Xbsz)If Jeb wins, it will be as if Hillary won, as far as I'm concerned. It won't happen with my help or support, that is for sure.I predict more of the same, which is crap.

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Having watch 24 minute video of Cruz taking it to Medea Benjamin and the Code Pink folks, I think he resonated very well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2015 08:47 AM (OSs/l)

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329 Has anyone seen any indication in the reptilian brains of the GOP that they have the slightest glimmer of recognition that Trump's success is because the base is so very, very pissed off at them?
Posted by: V the K at September 10, 2015 08:43 AM (O7MnT)

The GOP base is the equivalent to Black America fro the Democrats. Only needed once every 2 years.

At least Black America gets some random walking around money and welfare.

This is precisely why Trump is doing so well. I am sorry, that you are frustrated you can't find the perfect candidate. But it seems that a very viable step one is finding a candidate WITH balls to fight.

1 - Balls.
2 - Do the right thing.

2 without 1 is nothing, and right now we don't even have a lot of guys with 1, let alone very many with 2.

Priorities.

Balls: check. You want to get in this scrap - find another guy that will go toe to toe with Trump. Otherwise, quit yer bitchin'.

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If Jeb wins, it will be as if Hillary won, as far as I'm concerned. It won't happen with my help or support, that is for sure.
I predict more of the same, which is crap.
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 08:46 AM (2XMpf)

With all of this email scandal crap, in a Clinton v Bush election I might lean towards Bush.....

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There is NO perfect Conservative Candidate out there folks...well except me If I ran...but that aside...Stop ripping everyone a new asshole and try to actually support someone...someone with the fewest pimples on their ass. And sit down, take a deep breath, and have a drink or 2 or 3...ah fuck it finish the bottle

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351 Just got back, as I have to travel all the way to York Pa to find a Volvo dealer who I trust for repairs..

And...they have free WiFi.

Anyhow.
Has there been a single iota of evidence to lead anyone to believe that if we vote GOPe, that during the post election honeymoon night, we don't get treated like the virgin bride?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 10, 2015 08:51 AM (j4Cu5)

Good thing you didn't go to the ones near Philly, they're all as crooked as mobsters.

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Count me with Chemjeff- I am confused at the love for Trump on this site. I don't trust him.

I understand less informed people but not the Horde.

My only hope is that, should he get elected, he turns out to be Friedman's "politician we can make do the right thing".

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 08:53 AM (i7JE3)

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Here's an idea: let's stop worrying about Reince Preibus and his band of merry bureaucrats. They aren't exerting much influence on anything right now, so screw 'em. Trump, like him or hate him, has won a big victory for us in that sense alone. I concede that and thank him for it.

Moving on with the competition now is a lot more fun. No Jeb, really, and even Kasich is trying to stay as low as possible so as not to draw fire. It's refreshing not to be hectored constantly but Rick Wilson et al on "electability" and other such nonsense. Lets see what happens next.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 08:53 AM (TxJGV)

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While you all are ripping every Conservative Candidate out there, consider the Alternative:

Hillary Clinton: My Granddaughter Should Call Me Madame President

Spontaneous

Weasel Zippers

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:54 AM (gf8BH)

363
"Also, add the words "between the sheets" after a song title. Except the Isley Bros. "Between the Sheets."
"

Another one is to read your fortune cookie, but add "In Bed" to the end of every fortune.

364I want a person in there who will fight for something because it is *the right thing to do*, not just because "the left opposes it" or "the establishment opposes it" as some act of revenge.

Why?

What if the right thing and the populist thing just happen to coincide this time?

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2015 08:54 AM (FcR7P)

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So, one day Fox buys National Geographic (NPR: Some of their commentators don't even believe in Climate Change!), and the next day F'n'F is pimping the discovery of The Missing Link. Obviously, Big deGrasse has just been sitting on this evidence for decades.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 10, 2015 08:55 AM (xq1UY)

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Count me with Chemjeff- I am confused at the love for Trump on this site. I don't trust him.

I understand less informed people but not the Horde.

My only hope is that, should he get elected, he turns out to be Friedman's "politician we can make do the right thing".
Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 08:53 AM (i7JE3)

No confusion: It's not love or trust

It's the big FUCK YOU Trump is giving to both the Dem and RINO elite and leadership.

Trump is like Sinatra: people get that he's American with all the ups and downs

Cruz should get a tattoo

Posted by: Feh at September 10, 2015 08:55 AM (Uk9e2)

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"Donald Trump-At face value"-An Interesting essay by Neo-neo con. Trump needs to rein in his personal comments. He doesn't like Fiorina's face? His face has seen better days too:

http://tinyurl.com/poth2uz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2015 08:56 AM (OSs/l)

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One major reason that Trump is doing so well is that, like Reagan, he has the ability to circumnavigate the media.

They report, breathlessly, everything he says as though it will be the killing blow for him, finally, and are completely flat-footed when his support is unchanged or actually increases.

Trump is also a yuge assault on The Narrative because of that. The media's been very comfortable in controlling The Narrative, so much so that they can't understand that people STILL don't agree with it.

Guess what the GOPe's plan B is. A hint is that her name is in the sentence that you typed.

We are so close to being on the same page here with the possible exception that I am a bit more cynical in that none of the more conservative or outsider candidates stand anymore of a prayer of being elected if the GOPe has anything to say about it (and they do) than Trump does. I say that as a person who likes Cruz but I am al in with Trump as the unproven political commodity.
He talks a big game that he won't be able to accomplish half of at best, he has a liberal past in many regards, he does pivot and/or change his stance. Basically he has done what a lot of politicians have done.
That being said he is the front runner. He is handing the GOPe they're lunch.

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Nevergiveup- I totally get that Trump is the middle finger to the GOP. I am loving that. When that turns into beating on the one guy on the blog with reservations schadenfreude has become advocacy.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 08:58 AM (i7JE3)

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To be fair, The Guy with The 43-Centimeter Thang (hey, Mexico is metric) is no wetback. He's staying in Mexico. And, according to him, no part of him is wet.

He could pole-vault over the Border Wall if he wanted to. Don't want to.

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I saw a picture on Twitter yesterday of hundreds (possibly thousands) of "refugees" crowding a train station in Europe , and accompanying the picture was a comment that pointed out that among the "refugees" was not one child or one woman. All of the "refugees" as could be seen in the picture were young, military aged men.
__________________

I saw a report yesterday that said 75% of the EU swarm so-called "refugees" are males under the age of 50.

Even the non-males turn out not to really be refugees. Those two Syrian kids who drowned; they were coming from a safe home in Turkey. They hadn't lived in "war-torn" Syria for 3 years. Their dad wanted some dental treatment he couldn't afford, so their Syrian relatives in Canada told them to send the wife and kiddies on one of the smuggler's boats to an EU country (at a reported ticket cost of over $1,000), and pretend to be refugees. Then, once the wife and kids had gotten their EU refugee papers, they could apply for a visa for the dad (because it's cruel to separate families!!!), and then all of them could parlay their EU refugee status into Canadian refugee status. Scheme probably would have worked too, if the mom had known how to swim. Sadly for her and her kids, she didn't.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 09:00 AM (a31sM)

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Has there been a single iota of evidence to lead anyone to believe that if we vote GOPe, that during the post election honeymoon night, we don't get treated like the virgin bride?

On her first introduction to anal.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 09:01 AM (qjfjx)

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360 Count me with Chemjeff- I am confused at the love for Trump on this site. I don't trust him.

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376 To be fair, The Guy with The 43-Centimeter Thang (hey, Mexico is metric) is no wetback. He's staying in Mexico. And, according to him, no part of him is wet.

He could pole-vault over the Border Wall if he wanted to. Don't want to.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 10, 2015 08:59 AM (xq1UY)

Eh, when you have that much schlong getting a stiffie pulls all the blood from your big head to feed the little head, thus leading to a blackout. Highly counterproductive. He should pole vault the border, have a little taken off the top, and return to please the senoritas while conscious.

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" I get the reservations that Chem Jeff has about Trump. I have them too.

But this is war, and Trump has been our first viable weapon to strike back against the media and the uniparty.

Desperate times call for Donald."

Agreed. In the political sense it is hard to trust Trump, impossible to trust the GOPe candidates.

Posted by: Drider at September 10, 2015 09:05 AM (6Xbsz)

392Count me with Chemjeff- I am confused at the love for Trump on this site. I don't trust him.

From what I can tell there are 2 or maybe 3 of the Horde who have anything that could be called "love for Trump." The rest of us love that his lose cannon-ness is currently pointed at the Ruling Class and the MFM.

It's the big FUCK YOU Trump is giving to both the Dem and RINO elite and leadership.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 08:55 AM (gf8BH)

Quite frankly, I think a lot of GOP voters are starting to realize what a bunch of dilettante fucks their co-partyists are. The freak-out from from some of these comments - the emotional reaction to people simply saying "enough, no more of THIS, I want to try THAT." I am starting to see why people don't even consider the GOP because it appears fascist from the outside. I am not taking this abuse anymore. I like how Trump stands his ground, and they cannot provide a reasonable alternative, and refuse to even take up the challenge. To hell with 'em then.

Oh bush-wah. Big L was well over the cliff by the Harry Browne "How you can profit from the coming cholera epidemic" era. They've been a professional sideshow since at least the second Reagan term. 'Tis pity, 'tis true.

On the other hand, for old Libertarians, there is no soul-rending existential angst in having Trump show up in the GOP. Lots of people more-or-less vote Republican as renters (because they're the Lessor of Two Evils, see) and don't have their whole political-philosophy selves wrapped up in the Party's shenaniganz.

404
Megan McArdle has a good piece up on the government wanting the ability to read all text messages in real time. I can hardly believe I even typed such a ridiculous thing. "Government" reading private communications? Where's my time machine! I want to go back to pre-9/11 days when something like that would get the popular derision it deserves.

413
I'm OK w/Trump's flip-flop. As long as he doesn't go back to his original statement.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 09:13 AM (NOIQH)

414
And what of the 11 million illegal residents? If we get the wall, we don't need to worry so much about deportation because assimilation gets you to the same place over time. And I expect to see some sort of "pay for citizenship" deal that allows illegals to buy their way into the country in a variety of ways, assuming they have been law-abiding residents for years. American citizens would respect that. Fairness, after all, is the main issue.

Oh, and about the racist thing. If Trump says he wants MORE Mexicans, not fewer -- but only the top talent -- how racist does that sound to you?

-- Scott Adams of Dilbert fame is a real fan of Trump.

Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (9KqcB)

415
Cruz really benefitted from the LA poster. He should try to find a way to popularize that sort of view more often, or at least that kind of pop-cultural side of his personality (if he has one). He needs to stop reminding people of a 1960 insurance salesman.

looks aside, though, he's good on all my issues.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (TxJGV)

416
408 #GOPhuckYourselves!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 09:11 AM (0O7c5)

I would love to see that trending. I'll help.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (BZAd3)

417
Revenge sex is a great line. Afterwords we live with the consequences.

Political Hack- At least your name is honest. You asked whom I support but allow no time to answer and then it's "to hell with you". Sweet!

"Put not your faith in the princes of this world." I trust no one. But I agree more with Cruz who seems to contradict himself less than THE DONALD.

I see Trump as our Obama, saying one thing now and hanging it later. Allowing Republican voters to do what the Dem. voters did; believe whatever they want about him. Like Obama, there are clues in his pre-candidacy life. I expect he would be a crony capitalist.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (i7JE3)

418I see some people moaning about flip-flopping, but frankly we should encourage such open-mindedness. Politicians ought to change their minds a lot more often.

You always hear about "flip-flopping" and, in a serious candidate (see previous comments on previous days about Trump being a serious contender, but not a serious candidate) they would be very bad. I would expect a Cruz or a Jindal or even a Jeb! to have considered the refugee situation much more carefully before flapping at the gums.

I *don't* expect that of Trump. As I've said before, Trump is more-or-less a weather vane. But, since right now a tide of America First Populism is on the rise (if I may mix metaphors), he's turning in our direction.

Yes, we have a Christian duty to take in refugees.
No, we can't afford to take them in by the uncounted millions.

Cognitive disconnect? Flip flop?

NO, it's simple arithmetic.

The Christian way to solve the 'refugee' - 'migrant' problem is to go into those countries people are trying to escape, and fix the problem at the source. If necessary, go in with the sword, and convert them to Christianity, and American Justice (the old fashion kind before America was taken over by Obama and his fellow travelers).

Of course, in the here and now, with half the US population on the side of the enemy, we have that problem to fix before we can do anything. A house divided and all of that.

Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 09:18 AM (cw2S/)

424
Hey jwest, just a quick reminder. You have a haircut scheduled for 3:30. Don't be late.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 10, 2015 09:18 AM (NeFrd)

425
Trump changed his mind - he is not consistent like a real candidate like Jeb! or Christie!. We can't have somebody who changes his mind. Real candidates never change. Jeb! is for moar immigrants every day - besides Syrians look just like they're from South of the Border so - close enough. How else can ISIS spread its message of peace? Can't answer that one - can you Mr. Smartypants?

426
419 Another hotter than hell day.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 09:15 AM (iQIUe)

It finally rained and cooled off in the mid-Atlantic states. And tomorrow the humidity will get down below the point where it feels like a tepid steam bath, much to the relief of my long-suffering dogs.

431Historically, the Republican Party has performed slightly below par, but we have corrected most of the voter induced disparities and will go to victory in the '16 election.

Almost President DoleAlmost President McCainAlmost President Romney**President Jeb Bush

**Three Bushes is a charm!

Posted by: Rinse Penis at September 10, 2015 09:20 AM (OiFtZ)

432
The establishment GOP's mantra can be summed up by a line from Paradise Lost: "Better to reign in hell, than serve in heav'n." They would rather run a minority party than be backbenchers in a majority party. Any candidate who threatens their control of the party must either be co-opted or destroyed. They did it to Goldwater, they did it to Reagan, and they've been going at Tea Party candidates furiously over the last few years. They would rather have Hillary win than Trump, Cruz, Carson, or anyone not on the approved list.

433Jeb! would be in the lead. Conservatives couldn't get their act together and support one or two guys at the most.

Truth is, that's the table that the GOP set at the outset. That WAS their plan.

Trump's flipped over the table. That's why he's a good thing.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 09:20 AM (oVJmc)

434
My mother and I bickered for over 40 years about GOP v constitutional principles. My first vote was for Reagan in primary Illinois in 1976 (?). Mom had a fit because I was a 'splitter' and the downfall of civilization as we knew it. She would also send me GOPe stuff with incomprehensible surveys skewed to religious stuff -- and she was no more religious than I.

436
>>I think he's just fascinated by the successful manipulation of the body politic, that's all. Like me, he has zero interest in a successful Trump campaign.

Yeah, a lot of people are. Posted this yesterday, but Owen Wilson is all "Trump is like Charlie Sheen" - heh heh heh. But he's got them listening to a GOP candidate, so there's that...

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 09:21 AM (NOIQH)

437
417 Revenge sex is a great line. Afterwords we live with the consequences.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (i7JE3)

As if there have been no consequences to the way we have been voting for the last couple of decades.

We've actively supported, by our own actions and gullibility, the notion that Gruber so clearly announced, that voters are idiots.

Maybe we should try something different. Maybe we should stop just blindly believing what the established parties tell us. Maybe we should believe what we know to be the issues instead of what we are told to believe the issues to be each election cycle.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 10, 2015 09:21 AM (BZAd3)

438He could very well be a cynical self-aggrandizer and still be the best man for the job. It all depends on what he delivers when and if he gets to the Oval Office.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 10, 2015 06:43 AM (J+mig)

A very conservative friend and I were talking about Trump the other day and pretty much said the same thing.

Trump isn't my man for a variety of reasons. But if it comes down to Trump versus any Democrat, I'll happily vote for Trump.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at September 10, 2015 09:21 AM (dPpmC)

439
I think he's just fascinated by the successful manipulation of the body politic, that's all. Like me, he has zero interest in a successful Trump campaign.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 09:16 AM (TxJGV)

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Definitely the former, not sure about the latter.

Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 09:22 AM (9KqcB)

440
Taking in so many migrants to the point of changing Germany, did Merkel ask the German people if they were okay with this? They arent going to return home again unless to learn how to make bombs. You're stuck with them and the terrorism. If they did the least effort to assimilate, I'd say great but they dont.

Except, as the leftists keep telling us, religious motivations have no business in government, ESPECIALLY Christian motivations. Fuckers treat religion like a salad bar, picking and choosing what they want and leaving the rest under the sneeze barrier.

You know it strikes me he simply might not know, the vast majority of people don't.

Taking in a few refugees sounds like a reasonable position... But then you find out that the administration has been flooding the nation with scum from all four corners of the globe for the last 6 years.. and it isn't so reasonable.

A friend on mine in Maine twigged me to this as the have a large population of Somali's that are making a PITA of themselves. How the hell did Somali's get in Maine?!?

Bill Clinton.

Free shit army.

Soon just closing the borders will not be enough. I see things getting ugly in a hurry.

Posted by: gdonovan at September 10, 2015 09:25 AM (2Ee1I)

447We get ass-raped and not even a meal beforehand. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2015 08:47 AM (St6BJ) --
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Put politics aside. Assume Trump is the worst of NRO's fears. A Trump win means we have Melania as our first lady.

Drops mic.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 09:28 AM (S85kT)

455Agreed. But that number won't get any smaller without a wall-type approach.

It should be clearly understood that if you come here, you're expected to become an American. What's largely unspoken in all this is our right to live in peace with like-minded people.

The anti-Christ George Soros and his Opne Borders NWO sycophants want the world to be Balkanized because nationalism blunts his power. Everything he wants is in direct opposition to the American ideals of freedom and individuality.

And start actually prosecuting the ones (again- practically all of them) who commit identity fraud. Don't even have to jail them- just deport them. You can even play each and every one as "a criminal alien" to counteract the inevitable sympathy play.

I have been begging for just this sort of thing. Forget about the wall, stick a fine not on business but on the business owners/CEOs. $10,000 and 30 days in federal prison per illegal knowingly employed. You don't even need a wall at that point because once you hold the executives personally responsible you will see illegal labor dry up. I also think that any candidate who proposed such an idea would immediately get a ton of attention and at least a five point bounce in the polls.

468
Scott Adams says: "Like many of you, I have been entertained by the unstoppable clown car that is Donald Trump".

Now, Adams does think Trump will win the election but you probably (to the extant you care what Adams thinks, and some of you do for some reason) should understand his prediction is based on Adams' low estimation of the state of the electorate, and not Trump's own candidacy.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 09:32 AM (TxJGV)

469
So Satan, the Angel Raphael and Adam walk into a casino. Satan says, "Anybody for a game of craps? Baby needs a new pair of sandals!" Adam says, "No, I lost my pair of dice!"

Posted by: Seamus Milton at September 10, 2015 09:32 AM (NeFrd)

470Hell, even Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio had to fight the Party Establishment to get elected to office.

Posted by: V the K at September 10, 2015 09:29 AM (O7MnT)

Which is why I called Cruz a "show conservative" above. It has nothing to do with his record; it's that he's a pet of the GOPe, allowed to - in their view - throw his little tantrums and make his silly little speeches about freedom in order to let the rubes think the GOP is actually a conservative party. But when it comes to actual power and control over policy, Cruz is left out in the cold.

473
My problem with Trump is what do we do 2 weeks before the election when he tells Gwen Ifill to make him a sammich and one of his ex wives releases a sex tape involving the Trumpster and a twelve year old Vietnamese girl. Meet Presnint Biden.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 09:34 AM (k8tEg)

474 Cruz really benefitted from the LA poster. He should try to find a way to popularize that sort of view more often, or at least that kind of pop-cultural side of his personality (if he has one). He needs to stop reminding people of a 1960 insurance salesman.

looks aside, though, he's good on all my issues.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 09:14 AM (TxJGV)

Well, truth be told politics is in part showbiz.

And there isn't a Republican candidate running (and this goes triple for the Democrats. Maybe quadruple.)
who couldn't have benefited from starting-

a tough regimen of running and weight-lifting a year or two before jumping into the ring-

it definitely helps with projecting that whole alpha-male image that people unconsciously gravitate toward.

I think Jindal may have tried that. He looks a little heftier. And wears his suits better. Maybe he should've started earlier.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2015 09:34 AM (KUa85)

475
At least Merkel said it up front: "We're going to change Germany." Which is more than our politicians did. They only acknowledge it after the fact.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 09:27 AM (9KqcB)
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Not even then.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 09:35 AM (a31sM)

476
$10,000 and 30 days in federal prison per illegal knowingly employed.

Yup. Must have jail time or they will just roll the fines in as cost.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 09:35 AM (i7JE3)

477
I have been begging for just this sort of thing. Forget about the wall, stick a fine not on business but on the business owners/CEOs. $10,000 and 30 days in federal prison per illegal knowingly employed. You don't even need a wall at that point because once you hold the executives personally responsible you will see illegal labor dry up

Take a couple of businesses via asset forfiture.
If they can take a john's car for hiring a hooker, they can take a business.

479
I'd add that the fines be paid into a fund which gave out cash rewards for turning companies in.

Problem solved.

But it's not rocket science. The Pols know this. They just use the "oh no, 11 million people is the Gordian Knot" bit for convenience.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 10, 2015 09:37 AM (i7JE3)

480Trump will win the election [snip] This prediction is based on Adams' low estimation of the state of the electorate, and not Trump's own candidacy.

An assessment of the electorate that was roundly validated in 2012 when Obama was re-elected because a sizable number of voters believed he was going to outlaw tampons and once gave his dog a gay haircut.

481
394 >>> Republicans actually stopped that, in one of their rare moments of discovering a backbone.

Gun control, like abortion, is a big money issue and the GOPe, like always, responded to its donors. They'd sell this out in a heartbeat if the payola wasn't there.
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at September 10, 2015 09:06 AM (3ZtZW)

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Yes, and don't forget that Harry Reid is in the pocket of the NRA. HE stopped it, not the GOP.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 09:38 AM (LXJ1e)

482
"It should be clearly understood that if you come here, you're expected to become an American. What's largely unspoken in all this is our right to live in peace with like-minded people."

Agreed, but how can that be clearly understood when it's not clearly communicated? The biggest change was not in the type of immigrant (Hispanic rather than European) but in our own expectations of them.

Add to that the fact that millions of Mexicans are settling in territory that they believe is rightfully theirs, and...there's trouble.

That's part of the Left's immigration zeal. It's not just that their changing the electorate in their favor, they really believe that the only way for America to atone for it's racist birth is to surrender it to people of color.

Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 09:38 AM (9KqcB)

483
>>>Yup. Must have jail time or they will just roll the fines in as cost.

I was thinking of a fine not on the business but on the business owners personally. For example, the BeefCo meat packing plant doesn't pay the $50,000 fine, Joe the owner of BeefCo pays the $50,000 fine out of his own pocket and as a bonus spends 150 days in a federal PMITA prison.

485
My problem with Trump is what do we do 2 weeks before the election when he tells Gwen Ifill to make him a sammich and one of his ex wives releases a sex tape involving the Trumpster and a twelve year old Vietnamese girl. Meet Presnint Biden.

If they had that, it would have been used years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 09:39 AM (qjfjx)

486
Correction, should have written, "a sizable number of voters believed his opponent was going to outlaw tampons..."

At least Trump is thinking, "shit, I better not piss off my supporters."

The GOP-e? Not so much.

Advantage, Trump.-----------------1. Trump gives bland non-positional statement on Syrian immigration approved by GOPe advisers.2. Voters say they would rather eat sauerkraut for a week than accept Syrian immigration. 3. Trump says "Oh yeah I am trying to win the election. Not to mention being down on Latinos and up on Muzzies doesn't sound right."4. Trump says "too many problems" on AM news. GOPe and Leftist heads explode, and he gains more support.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 10, 2015 09:39 AM (ry4ab)

488
I think I read that refugees in Germany were throwing rocks at the Germans because their Wi-Fi access was spotty. W.T.F.

First off- that could happen to any of the Candidates, because the truth of the accusations won't matter, only "the seriousness of the charge."

Second, I fail to see how even Joey Choo-Choo is worse than a vast swath of the Republican field. Without Trump, as others have said, Jeb! would simply follow the strategy* created by his brother's campaign in 2000, improved upon by McCain in 2008, and perfected by Mitt in 2012 to destroy any "lesser" opposition and secure the nomination.

With Trump in the race, that strategy fails. It relies on the other candidates' war-chests being too small, and people flocking to "the strong horse." Trump's war-chest is *not* too small AND he currently *is* "the strong horse."

* Note, this is not a critique of the strategy itself; it is a quite sound strategy. I merely wish it had been used to secure the nomination for actually conservative candidates.

491
Trump supporters have a few weeks to come to their senses. After that, you all are on your own. Left, right -- all the same. Go fuck yourselves.

Posted by: Post-American at September 10, 2015 09:39 AM (nFICN)

492
I and my fellow Nazgul have ruled by a vote of five to four that it is unconstitutional for Trump to be elected president, because... something something constitution... hey guys, what was that excuse we made up again?

-Oh right. The equal protection clause says you can't discriminate based on sex. Americans have been discriminating in favor of male presidents for two hundred years now. You are constitutionally required by the fourteenth amendment to elect a female President this time. And you've actually been required to do so since 1868, you just didn't know it. Now, practice saying "Madame President" for Hillary!

That's
exactly how I see it, JJ. And I'd much rather have a politician who
cares what his constituents think than one who thinks he's so much
better than the thoughtless little proles that he has to make every
decision for them, for their own good.--------Good point, Cato. Both major parties have gotten into telling their voters what the voters ought to want instead of saying "I understand your problems, and I will get you what you want." Trump so far acts like he is interested in what his supporters want and say about things.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 10, 2015 09:44 AM (ry4ab)

497
@490 You raise a good point about thwarting the Jeb & Co strategy, which is essentially like a no limit poker game crushing the guys without a bankroll.

But I dispute the major premise. IMO Trump is waaaay more likely to do something so bizarre, so "unacceptable" (particularly to the wimmins) as to almsot assure a loss. Hard to quantify of course, but its a combination of his lacking an external governor and (again, my subjective opinion) lacking an internal moral grounding that keeps most of us from engaging in the types of behavior that, if made public at an inopportune time, can result one being run out of metaphorical town.

Lately I get the feeling that Trump and Cruz have cut a side deal: whichever guy wins pulls the other in for the 2 slot. I have been a Cruz guy for a long time but on hearing more from on the campaign trail I just don't know if he will be as effective a candidate as I'd hoped --comes across as too much of an appellate lawyer as opposed to a natural sales guy.

I also wouldn't worry too much about Jeb. I think his support is paper thin and won't survive the genuine hatred of the base.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 09:47 AM (k8tEg)

498
I just read an article where the Obama Admin fined a company for trying to verify the immigration status of its workers. $200,000 Requiring them to prove citizenship was discrimination.
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The Obama administration sued AZ for requiring voters to verify U.S. citizenship before voting in AZ. Because a state with hundreds of thousands of illegal alien residents certainly doesn't have any reason to worry about those illegal aliens illegally voting in its elections, right? I mean, that would be . . . illegal . . . and we all know illegal aliens are nothing if not scrupulous about obeying U.S. laws!

There are all sorts of federal laws that forbid you from asking somebody's citizenship status. There are also all sorts of laws that prevent hospitals, welfare offices, etc., from asking or reporting on the number of non-citizens getting taxpayer-funded treatments, benefits, etc.

The entire point of these laws is to allow the government to hide from the American people the facts about how many foreigners are here, how many American jobs they are taking, how much of our medical resources they're using, how many billions of American tax dollars they are costing us every year, etc.

How can we possibly craft immigration policies that make sense if our own government is doing everything in its power to keep us from knowing the facts about how many "immigrants" are coming, and how many are employed, committing crimes, chronically ill, on welfare, etc. The government demands that we spend hundreds of billions of our tax dollars every year to provide all sorts of benefits for immigrants -- legal and illegal -- and then they deny us the ability to obtain the facts about how much, when, where, and why those tax dollars are being spent. And if we try to find out, we're sued and called raaaaacists. It's maddening.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 09:48 AM (a31sM)

499
1. Trump gives bland non-positional statement on Syrian immigration approved by GOPe advisers.2. Voters say they would rather eat sauerkraut for a week than accept Syrian immigration. 3.
Trump says "Oh yeah I am trying to win the election. Not to mention
being down on Latinos and up on Muzzies doesn't sound right."4. Trump says "too many problems" on AM news. GOPe and Leftist heads explode, and he gains more support.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 10, 2015 09:39 AM (ry4ab) The GOPe is such an effective boogey man for some people now that they are apparently making Trump say things he does not believe. It is more likely that Trump doesn't know what he believes about things because he's never thought about them, and his first spoken instinct on most things is usually wrong.

Posted by: CausticConservative at September 10, 2015 09:48 AM (5q6rm)

500
Nip Sip, my stepson is the same way. I kicked off our place because I was tired of him treating his dad so disrespectfully. And he'll come up with these ideas that are just delusional.

Told me I should chill, because he couldn't bother to pay $35 for the electric bill. Said it wasn't a big deal. But if I can't trust him to do the little things, why would I trust him to take care of the big stuff?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 10, 2015 09:48 AM (Lqy/e)

501
Now, Adams does think Trump will win the election but you probably (to the extant you care what Adams thinks, and some of you do for some reason) should understand his prediction is based on Adams' low estimation of the state of the electorate, and not Trump's own candidacy.

Posted by: MTF at September 10, 2015 09:32 AM (TxJGV)

I care about what Adams thinks for the same reason any of us should: he's outside the conservative echo chamber that we find so comforting. He's a part of the pop culture landscape that the Right is so clueless about, but which plays an increasingly large role in determining the fate of the country.

Yes, Adams is fascinated by how Trump is selling himself, more than anything. And his opinion of the electorate is exactly what most of ours has been in recent years. His blog is a good read, along with his pieces in the Wall Street Journal. He's got a libertarian/capitalist bent that's not common.

I have been begging for just this sort of thing. Forget about the wall, stick a fine not on business but on the business owners/CEOs. $10,000 and 30 days in federal prison per illegal knowingly employed. You don't even need a wall at that point because once you hold the executives personally responsible you will see illegal labor dry up. I also think that any candidate who proposed such an idea would immediately get a ton of attention and at least a five point bounce in the polls.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 10, 2015 09:32 AM (JxMoP)

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They can start by looking at Mohawk.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 09:53 AM (LXJ1e)

506I care about what Adams thinks for the same reason any of us should: he's outside the conservative echo chamber that we find so comforting. He's a part of the pop culture landscape that the Right is so clueless about, but which plays an increasingly large role in determining the fate of the country.

I'm not clueless about pop culture. I see it all around me, promoting insanity of all sorts.

509
392
Count me with Chemjeff- I am confused at the love for Trump on this site. I don't trust him.

From what I can tell there are 2 or maybe 3 of the Horde who have
anything that could be called "love for Trump." The rest of us love
that his lose cannon-ness is currently pointed at the Ruling Class and
the MFM.

To paraphrase: "We cannot spare this man. He fights."-----------Yeah that is pretty much how it stands with me and most other Morons who are pro-Trump.

511
The GOPe is such an effective boogey man for some people now that they are apparently making Trump say things he does not believe.
It is more likely that Trump doesn't know what he believes about things because he's never thought about them, and his first spoken instinct on most things is usually wrong.

Posted by: CausticConservative at September 10, 2015 09:48 AM (5q6rm)

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Probably. The whole refugee thing blew up just this past week. There is no reason why ANYONE should have a well thought out policy at this point.

Trump's first instinct is people fleeing a war torn area need help. That's not a bad instinct. There are multiple policy options available to help or not.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 10:00 AM (LXJ1e)

512
The Gang of 8 bill wasn't tough enough on border enforcement, but anyone bitching about the fact that we don't have a procedure in place to verify immigration status is partially at fault considering both previous attempts at passing a law on the matter would have dealt with it.

Both the Gang of 8 and Bush immigration bills would have changed the law to require e-verification for all employers. Gang of 8 even included provision that all workers were required to be e-verified or the entity hiring them could be subjected to up to a $7500 fine. The Bush plan was similar.

This alone would have solved much of the problem, and you even had Democrats on board with it.

No more comprehensive approaches. Just pass this piece so we can get on with cleaning up other areas of policy that need desperate attention.

Posted by: CausticConservative at September 10, 2015 10:00 AM (5q6rm)

513
Add to that the fact that millions of Mexicans are settling in territory that they believe is rightfully theirs, and...there's trouble.
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They're also settling in places they never had any historical presence in, or even arguable claim to. Places like Virginia, Georgia, Maine, etc. What's theirs (or once was arguably theirs) is theirs, and what's always been ours is theirs too.

Right or wrong, the Government of Mexico sold the disputed SW territories, like AZ, to the United States many years ago, for what was at the time a huge amount of money. The Mexicans, like the Americans, once made a claim to these territories, and the Mexicans' claim was bested by a stronger claimant. Then the Mexican government sold off what remained of Mexico's claims for money. That should be the end of the story. You don't get to give up and sell out, and then decades later scream "hey, I still want that so it's mine and always has been!" It is not theirs, no matter what fairy tales the Mexicans tell themselves, and I'm sick of all the phony grievance-mongering over their "stolen" land.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 10:01 AM (a31sM)

514
I wonder what Trump would have said to candy crowley when she answered a debate question, instead of the way Romney handled it

Posted by: Cicero Skip at September 10, 2015 10:02 AM (FIrEF)

515Right or wrong, the Government of Mexico sold the disputed SW territories, like AZ, to the United States many years ago, for what was at the time a huge amount of money. The Mexicans, like the Americans, once made a claim to these territories, and the Mexicans' claim was bested by a stronger claimant. Then the Mexican government sold off what remained of Mexico's claims for money. That should be the end of the story. You don't get to give up and sell out, and then decades later scream "hey, I still want that so it's mine and always has been!" It is not theirs, no matter what fairy tales the Mexicans tell themselves, and I'm sick of all the phony grievance-mongering over their "stolen" land.

President Boy would've had a press conference where the leaders of La Raza were graciously flown in to attend, where the bill of sale was shown.

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512 The Gang of 8 bill wasn't tough enough on border enforcement, but anyone bitching about the fact that we don't have a procedure in place to verify immigration status is partially at fault considering both previous attempts at passing a law on the matter would have dealt with it.

Both the Gang of 8 and Bush immigration bills would have changed the law to require e-verification for all employers. Gang of 8 even included provision that all workers were required to be e-verified or the entity hiring them could be subjected to up to a $7500 fine. The Bush plan was similar.

This alone would have solved much of the problem, and you even had Democrats on board with it.

No more comprehensive approaches. Just pass this piece so we can get on with cleaning up other areas of policy that need desperate attention.
Posted by: CausticConservative at September 10, 2015 10:00 AM (5q6rm)

Its very easy to find the problem employers. Just look at the cities and towns where the demographics have changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Look for the big employers in those areas.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 10:04 AM (LXJ1e)

517The Gang of 8 bill wasn't tough enough on border enforcement, but a... both previous attempts at passing a law on the matter would have dealt with it.

False. The GOP passed a bill in 2006 requiring the construction of a border fence. In 2007, they gutted the same law. The fence was never built. The GOP cannot be trusted on border security.

Both the Gang of 8 and Bush immigration bills would have changed the law to require e-verification for all employers.

False. Both bills contained so many waivers and loopholes the e-verification parts were meaningless.

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e-verify should be the law of the land. But here in Illinois the governor at the time (blowjobovitch, or quinochio) said they would not enforce it. So again democrats only want to enforce the laws they like.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at September 10, 2015 10:05 AM (FIrEF)

519Where did parental respect go? My sons say shit to me that my dad would have beat the shit out of me for.

Respect is earned; it isn't granted automatically simply because one managed to reproduce. Try a thought experiment: replace yourself along the way with your dad at the same age. Do you think he is treated with the disrespect you are being shown? Why not? Here is another thought experiment: replace your dad with yourself - do you have respect for your new dad?

Posted by: An Observation at September 10, 2015 10:15 AM (roZ24)

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President Boy would've had a press conference where the leaders of La Raza were graciously flown in to attend, where the bill of sale was shown.
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It's called the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, and it ended the Mexican-American war. The treaty required the U.S. to pay $15 million to Mexico and to also pay off the claims that American citizens had against the Mexican government (for another $3.25 million). It gave the U.S. the Rio Grande as a boundary for Texas, and let the U.S. have ownership of CA and the area that is now AZ, NM, NV, UT and parts of Wyoming and Colorado. Mexicans who were still living in those areas had the choice under the treaty of relocating to Mexico or remaining in the now-U.S. territories and becoming U.S. citizens with full civil rights. Over 90% of the Mexicans stayed and became Americans.

We "stole" nothing from the Mexicans. We fought for it, won it, and then paid them generously for it anyway. We had already kicked their asses in the war; we didn't need to then pay them millions to recognize our victory, but we did. We bent over backwards to be more than "fair" to them, and we've been rewarded for our magnanimity and generosity ever since with decades of lies and whining about having been "cheated" and, for the past few decades, with what amounts to an outright invasion. I'm sick of it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 10:20 AM (a31sM)

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>>>If you want someone who is actually opposed to liberals, has fought the GOPe, and *actually has standard and principles*, then why not support Cruz instead? Trump has no standards or principles, he is just tapping into raw naked rage. That is what demagogues do and that is dangerous.

Right. Trump is dangerous. Cruz is not that dangerous. Safe people do not win fights. Hell they don't even get in them.

Cruz is not as good as a demagogue. The simple fact is if Cruz was polling 40% I would be on board with Cruz. He's not. Trump is.

Trump has real assets in a democratic system that Cruz simply doesn't, things like his celebrity and demagoguery. Cruz is going to try to win with his principles and people are going to say he talks like a fag and his shit's retarded. In reality, principles don't win elections nor lead offenses. It's boyscout stuff. If people writ large were about to sit down and discuss principled ways to run the government we wouldn't be anywhere near the situation we are in. Trump is a man of his time.

There is the way the world should be and the way it is. Principled men complain how the world should be. People like Trump operate in how it is and they're more effective for it.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 10:23 AM (TULs6)

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"Comprehensive immigration reform" is like an ER doc telling you he can't stop the bleeding from your neck until you cut down on your sodium.

524He's got everything a man can have, except a legacy. He wants one. And with the boat America's in, he's decided that he's got a fair chance of ending up on Rushmore if he manages to stay popular, give the American people what they want, and reverse this country's decline.