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Wisdom for Warriors- 8

As we continue to see the rough and tumble of forces swirling around us, it pays to have a warrior’s mind, pays to in-vest in a warrior’s training and is definitely the mind-body-flex you need to have when facing a cross-road where there is no turning back.

Today, I wanted to focus on one of the most common errors in battle. By the by, also would like to emphasize that these battles are not fights or wars necessarily. Nor are warriors clad in mail and armour and wielding weapons.

I’m speaking of the way of the warrior in every day, every hour, every moment life. All of us, if we choose to see it this way are warriors in life.

So, to the focus here: under-estimating your opponent. More battles have been lost because, like Goliath, one look at David and you immediately let your guard down. That puny…… thwack! End game.

And look at this world around us and in fact at our own frail existences. The micro-scopic world, most of which is in-visible even, weighing infinitesimly less than us, can bring us down and out for the count.

And yet, we are brilliantly created and designed. A warrior dies a death of his or her own making, which in my mind, is the only way to go.

Think about the battles in our minds. Habits, addictions, illusions….as we fall deeper in their traps, we fail to give them their due. They are powerful forces, memes, thought-forms, ideas. To underestimate them is to constantly be at their mercy. To overcome them is often the hardest fought battles of them all. How can you fight a mirage? Eh?

Once beyond their pale, the outside world falls into it’s own state of balance around you. As with-in, so with-out. Let me re-emphasize, the biggest battles are internal/inner. Discipline is hard in a world that is filled with false, outer discipline and full of lazy internal ones. Hard on the outside and soft on the in.

Such a battle that, to realize that embracing organic discipline is a battle worth winning.

Most discipline is hidden discipline, designed not to liberate but to limit. Do not ask Why? Be cautious with How?Why? leads inexorably to paradox.How? traps you in a universe of cause and effect. Both deny the infinite.

The demons and dragons of the outer world are reflection of our inner state, individually and collectively. It is this inner battle-field which is the true focus of all the great texts that have war as their back-drop.

And the opponents on this battle-field are chimeric too. The most difficult, elusive and easy to under-estimate opponents.

Find them, sharpen your will, the sword of your mind and cut them without mercy.

Karan, assuming you are familiar with fractals in general. If not, a quick google search will inform you enough.
In life too, and in fact in every-thing, visible, invisible, gross and subtle, we are fractal creatures living fractally repeating lives. Patterns dominate our existance, in all four dimensions. Self-similar, never look exactly the same, but the underlying formula (as in the Golden Ration for example) under-lies everything. From a sub-atomic to a galactic scale, self-similarity abounds.
Ponder that and life in general and you will begin to see the patterns too. Their mathematical representation via Mandelbrot sets and now computer simulation are just an astonishing tell. 🙂

Vivek,
This is yet another one of your powerful reminds…
I shall drop the Why and How; drop the define, deduce, defuse, deny, and defend the infinite; and instead face the chimeras of my internal world head on.
i am what i am
i will be

I followed your link from ZH, where I’ve enjoyed your comments for some time now. I’m even more impressed with your blog here.

There is a small book called “The ABC of Enlightenment,” a synopsis, in a way, of the teachings of Osho. Perhaps you’re aware of it. I stumbled across it while on a mad search for answers after accepting fully that what I had always taken for granted as ‘real and true’ was actually nothing of the sort. I found a tremendous grounding influence in his words, although my relief felt no different than religious faith much of the time.

The main thing I took from his primers was this: Our true selves are perfect. It’s when we alter our inner selves to conform with the outer world that the trouble begins. We become false and it creates confusion and neurosis. But the dominant culture demands this transformation, with alienation or ostracization being the alternative. Not a palatable choice for most approval-loving folks.

So, as I slowly removed a lifetime’s accumulation of beliefs and artifice, I discovered that what is left is the small child that wants only one thing: to love and be loved, to laugh and play and share. It astonished me to discover this. It’s very profound. It means that we are pure, constant beings, and it’s no wonder that having to ‘grow up’ and ‘be serious’ and ‘fit in’ are such distasteful notions to children. My ‘unwinding’ created some feelings of sorrow and regret, as well, but most self-examinations will do that.

Now, awareness of this presents a different challenge: how to fully and honestly express my true self without appearing to have lost my mind. It’s so odd to ‘devolve’ to who you really are!

Greetings Mike and thanks for the insightful and heartfelt sharing.
The goal, if there was such, of all the great teachings is the re-discovery of our child-like self, innocent and pure. And awesomely powerful. Seen a child who does not get what he/she wants? :-0 But we are increasingly stuck in a Child-ish world, which is a vast chasm away from Child-like. There we have self-ish-ness as prime quality and everything that flows from it, greed, anger, hate….so congratulations on your journey and yes, fitting in is harder, but who wants to be a round peg in a square hole anyways, eh?

The sifting of the “I’s” can be a very difficult process, that requires tremendous scrutiny over long periods of time. Some I’s may stray in that do not warrant the invitation and must be cleansed and or released.

Consciousness is not good nor evil but a mixture of both, with of course, absence of resentment and non violence as the main operators.

Matthew 22:11-14 Taken in its psychological sense, is the vetting process of deputy steward.

11 “But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment. 12 And he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

I imagined myself, anadianant, engaged in this battle. What understanding do I require to be a warrior, engaged in this fray? And we’re all in it, aren’t we? Even if we seem not to be.

I was drawn back to the same place each time, to the Spiritual side I was fighting on. The war is such an old one. It has meant so many things to so many people — this David/Goliath factor, or even more basic, the God-Spirit-Son factor. As opposed to the invisible, unnamed side.

A lot of people have died throughout history over these concepts. I venture that most literal wars have been fought over this God-Spirit-Son concept.

To be relevant to us living in the twenty-first century, we must superimpose this concept over the particular mess of our own world. Since we are so diverse as humanity, that is a tall order. Many chasms must be breached, and many divides.

Many battles, many people, many sides. It seems hopeless to make sense of it. Yet the concept Good/Evil is so pure, so basic, its very simplicity makes the breaching process possible.

The bridge involves the human Spirit. It would be difficult to narrow it down to a finer point.

The human Spirit. Through time, great minds have wrestled with it’s definition, and few have come up with anything we could use. It’s hard to say what the Spirit is or what the Spirit isn’t. We fight this battle with the Spirit, though.

The Spirit isn’t the brain. The brain is the house where the Spirit lives, whoever. It is from the brain that the Spirit finds its expression.

And, the Spirit isn’t the breath that moves through the body, yet the Spirit needs the breath to give life to the body so it can express itself through the thought process of the brain.

(Some call the Spirit the heart, but the heart, like the brain, is cells, tissue.)

The Spirit is not the soul. The soul can be animal, fowl, human, etc. The human being may be in a coma, for instance — alive and breathing. He would be called a living soul. But the Spirit isn’t finding its expression.

Consider the mind: the mind is not the brain. The mind finds its expression by using the brain/computer, however. So, is the mind synonymous with the Spirit?

We are our minds. We are our Spirit. And this war is fought at this level, as you say, every minute of every day. We enter the battle, on a Spiritual plane, with others who are fighting the same battle. We choose sides and take our orders through the Spirit. We are taught the strategy through the Spirit.

So, we are left with the great question. When it is all over for us, will we have won or will we have lost? What happens to our Spirit when our body/house dies? What happens to “us,” the essence of what we are, our Spirit, when we have finished the “good fight?” Are we thrown away? All that work, tossed in the trash bin?

I suppose part of the answer could reduce to the premise of whose side we fought on: ownership. Salvation or damnation involves the ownership of the human Spirit — good ownership or bad ownership. That brings us full circle to the God-Spirit-Son concept. Or the other side, the more dark ownership.

So, we have just breached a lot of divides. It doesn’t matter what nation a person was born in, or the language he/she speaks, or the color of his/her skin, or the religious tradition he/she believes. Social status don’t matter. The battle is the same for every man, fought the same way.

The battlefield is now leveled. It’s time to take a quiet moment and consider the status of our own Spirit. And whose side we’re on.

Edgar Casey had some very clear and profound thoughts on mind/spirit/soul.

This personal battle/journey is very much about finding and confronting/understanding our egos and who we really are. And the path to finding that out is our lives if we are lucky and honest. Other wise we are doomed to our own self inflicted conflicts/destruction/suffering.

One thing about real warriors that is some what of a paradox ? Once they have actually been in real battles/wars, they are many times the last ones to want to open up that can of worms again, for any reason. On the other hand they are changed forever in perspective and fully realize the sanctity of life at every stage much more than those who have not seen and participated in carnage up front and personal. It will either destroy you or make you far wiser ? or maybe a bit of both at different times/phases. AIDs can kill you and others just as dead as any war, now can’t it ? And many other things we don’t equate as equal like drugs and alcohol, but death is death no matter how it arrives when not by natural causes and the insanity of humans hasn’t changed much over the millenia . The best we can hope for is to die like my grandmother. In my parents home in her own room laying, propped up on big feather pillows and calling each person in to say goodbye and then simply saying I’m tired and its time to go! I don’t think it can get much better than that. I consider myself blessed to have had her in my life and to see that final act, knowing she was a very lucky and good woman. Sometimes I regret not treating her better and showing more respect, she deserved it in retrospect.

Almost all wars were caused by greed one way or the other, not religions. That is the root source. In some ways religion has been a tool not unlike PRAVDA (MSM) of today, just a slightly different twist of trinkets and control mechanisms. There is a lot to be learned from all religions if you care to look/seek and realize men have corrupted likely original good intent .

Eso – “there is no mass salvation, only individual enlightenment” Agreed . I see this mass salvation poppy-cock all over in print and I agree it is another illusion. You say peaceful or non-violent ? Well lets consider another perspective ? It occurrs to me that part of the reason the entire world is in the mess it is, comes from complacency on many levels. we have allowed TPTB to use force and violence against us and others at every turn yet we have not reacted in the same manner with any where near the same force because it has morphed over time against us like a cancer. So haven’t we actually given permission for the sociopaths to do anything they want by proxy/default because we are all deathly afraid of violence and or our own power? I think so and I think it is actually very non-sensical to act this way and then complain about all the insanity and wrong acts of TPTB/Govs that control us when we do nothing to stop it or avoid it in the first place ? I think we should stand up collectively and tell these people to take a hike and be prepared to back it up by whatever means are necessary. A tax holiday of lenght would be a good place to start and could be very effective as well. But being afraid of violence gets us no where except deeper in control of TPTB. Does anybody actually think any of this will change on it’s own ? somehow ? If we are not willing to get in their face and stand up we basiclly deserve what we get and that seems far too obvious. In fact we have all the power by virtue of our taxes and have played this absurd nicey/nicey non-violent self destructive game on our selves far too long and caused our own subjegation. Anybody that thinks this will all go away magically because he/she is non-violent and thinking good thoughts is not only kidding themselves but a very naieve person as well. In US violence will come knocking on nearly all our doors as the system breaks down for many different reasons. Wishing/hoping it does not is a fairy tale IMO and a very dangerous self delusion. When people are very hungry , they will not be concerned with such niceties in the slightest and it will get worse from that point. I am a realist and have seen all this and know how people react when all restraints are removed and certainly we have all fooled ourselves in many ways and caused some of our own demise by being apatehtic and some what cowardly toward our own destinies and our childrens futures. The real enemy is the current governments that are all corrupted and feed off our efforts and enslave us with taxation that is used for the wrong purposes, mostly against our will. We should simply say NO and be prepared to take a stand and die if necessary or we simply don’t desrve to be treated any better because we know who and what they really are all about and we go along with it . I have only become fully aware of this paradox recently as a reality. But we are our own jailers in a sense aren’t we. If we do nothing, nothing will happen except get worse with far more control over us, like slaves. we are not supposed to be nor required to be subjects of the state ? The state is supposed to work only for our benefit and only with great limits on their power at OUR discression, not the other way around . The question is will we or won’t we take responsibility of our own destiny and how ? I don’t profess to have all the immediate answers, but I do know we are where we are because of being afraid of violence to some degree and most of us simply cannot face that reality. When you give one power all the power, what happens……….exactly what we have. A bureaucratic monster that feeds off itself and keeps the people in FEAR. This is exactly how the American Indians were destroyed. Lies, and an overwhelming violent force that the Indian nations gave grace to at their own folly and destruction/subjegation. Is our plight any different now? not really.

In the first place a violent just man, is the same as a violent unjust man. Violence is the antithesis to understanding. Nothing is ever gained by reacting violently, witness your own life and you will see that fact emerge.

Most of us don’t understand this, because we are brought up in a very negative system, being taught very negative values. One class against the other, escalating to one nation against another. Life on the earth is a never ending circle of violence and miss-understanding, we never really learn from our mistakes, so we repeat the circle like a student failing a grade.

If you wish to evolve, you must become conscious of yourself, then and only then, can you become conscious of others.

The Dark heart is the problem, shed some light on it and things begin to magically change.

Eso – Perhaps in some ways you are fooling yourself. In fact you did not answer or directly refute one thing I had to say, but reverted to the accepted norm. Something to consider and I agree with you on many other philosophical issues. Remember that thing about walking in anothers shoes, it is deeper than simply empathy, it is true understanding and acceptance of reality, how it is, not necessarily how we might want it to be. And how we might change it if we thought necessary. I would not change much in my life and experiences for good reason. I consider myself quite lucky and very fortunate indeed . Fearing or repelling violence is the opposite of understanding/knowledge. You cannot counter act it unless you fully understand it and I do, more than most. IMO a far better place to be for many reasons. I am not saying violence is a good solution to anything, I am simply saying it exist and is a force to be reckoned with and acknowledge for what it is and how it is used against us all in many forms. I posed a question in another post, would you kill the rapist of your wife/daughter/mother/sister ? We are all capable of violence given the right stimuli, that does not make it right or wrong, it simply is what it is. I agree in most scenarios if not nearly all violence is not the best answer or possible solution. But thinking good thoughts will not have any effect when and if it comes knocking at your or anybody elses door. Better to understand that IMO.

When you say; “I would not change much in my life and experiences for good reason”, your answer then becomes your illusion and trap. It is thinking from the opposite, not of and including the opposites.

One sided thinking leads no where, except, back to the same circle of thought. When you raise the question of rape and the consequences, “would you kill the rapist of your wife/daughter/mother/sister ? “, you appeal to negative emotions which of course only thinks from one side and is powered by hate. There is no understanding in hate, there is only more hate.

Violence is not necessarily physical, it comes in many forms. It is the result of internal considering, not external considering. One does violence to oneself, when one lives in “Imaginary I”.

Violence is very real my friend and I think on this you may be living in imaginary. Not saying at all it is ever first choice or a good choice. Some day you may be tested and on that day I doubt you have the same perspective which is in fact one of complete non acceptance of reality and wishful thinking of how one wants it to be not how it really is. Of course the worse of human behaviours should not be condoned , all I am saying is that it happens and is real and in some scenarios natural, given the stimuli. I would bet my life I could make you a killer with the right stimuli , as deplorable as that may sound . It is just people and who they really are, that is all I am saying, nothing more. There is a time and place for all things indeed. I truly hope you are not tested as many have been and will be again within the next second. It is just the world we live in, sorry to say. I am not deferring to anyhting as I have seen all this with my own eyes and experienced it first hand. From what I am hearing you say, you have experienced none of it first ahnd and speak only from a hypothetical or theoretical perspective. Neither hold water in real life on this planet. Again , sorry to say . For me it is quite OK to agree to disagree. On this issue we are different and that is fine with me, as I am sure you are a completely good person and intend well in all things as do I.

Argument is actually violence and you can not understand a man if you disagree with him.
So I look past the words, into the false personality which allows me to see the level of sleep
my “supposed” opponent is caught by.

Then and only then, can I release him or her and let go of the feeling of resentment.

consciousness is many levels my friend, one above the other until we reach the absolute, which is inconceivable for man.

There is also the point that higher can see lower however, lower can not see higher. Like Jacobs ladder we all have the ability to ascend or descend, there is also the possibility to stay on a level whether by necessity or accident. Then one becomes a fixed loop in time according to the theory of recurrence.

Why would you consider me an apponent? You are talking in circles and saying nothing except gibberish. If you cannot deal with the simple realities as posed , I don’t know what to tell you, nor would I try.

Your double standards define your rationale, sorry to say and I agreed to disagree ? If you read what you originally said, you judged me and what do you know of me , nothing except what I freely told you of my thoughts, which you simply cannot handle. You are no where near as enlightened as you may think you are and have zero experience in any of the matters I mentioned. I have 3 cats , every one of them came to me, I did not go and seek out 3 cats. Each one I saved from certain death as tiny kittens and had I not happened along at the exact correct time all three would be dead on that very day. One I pulled out of a running engine with my bare hands as it was terrified and dying of heat from the motor running under the hood of a car in traffic, another, its mother was trying to kill it and I saved it as well, the last one a person dropped off a kitten to get rid of it, it was emaciated and nearly frozen and I saved it as well. I pick up worms out of the gutter that are drowning and toss them on the lawn. You have no idea of what you speak, you simply are reacting to the real subject of violence being spoken of and immediately say” you have a dark heart”. On top of that I have a saved human life with my own initiative and put my life in jeopardy, twice. Your “fear of” is not my problem and perhaps you should rehtink your weak statements based on your shortcomings before proving yourself to be incapable and judgmental. You never did answer one point I posed ? and still haven’t. So what is wrong with agreeing to disagree ? why must you act as though I told you to eff off or some such? I did none of those things but you did by making accusations that are completely absurd, based only on your own mis-understanding or lack of. I thought we were having a discussion, so it is apparent I touched a very vulnerable point in your make up ? So why not just say that ? It is clear to me you are stymied and don’t have a clue what you are talking about ? Sorry to say. Your attempt to talk down to me as though you are the holy one or much wiser exposes you because you never answered one thing reasonably or logically, you made assumptions and judged based on your on weaknesses. Gibberish and psychobabble. You know nothing of what you have spoken here, so lets move on. You have missed the entire point of what I was trying to say and taken it to a place it never needed to go. I think you need to re-think .

I am sorry and saddened, that you reacted so negatively to what I wrote. Perhaps you are right, then again perhaps you are wrong. That’s the interesting thing about free will, you get to choose your course of action.

Thought like language functions at certain levels, language is a very rudimentary tool for communication. Develop the thought and the language may not keep pace.

As for “psycho babble”… No one can create his or her own life unless they can reach the level of psychological thinking. Their are four mind levels given in the work I study.

Truth is then relative to the level of thinking. For example, the truth derived from a-logical thinking, is lower than that of logical thinking. Greater mind is very much beyond human comprehension.

Reacting negatively is the loss of patience. A loss of patience indicates the level of being. So, you are right in a sense, re-thinking ones position is always necessary. I thank you for the interesting exchange thus far, I wish you well on your journey and hope you find what you are looking for.

Stephen, it’s all good brother. We have no-thing to prove to anyone. None. It’s good enough if people in our physical lives simply validate our experiences . Our experiences are uniquely our own. There is enough high ground for all of us and Mercury is just coming off a vicious retrograde.

Eso – I am simply stating my realities and experiences as my ACTUAL reference points not hypotheticals . I honestly think we all undermine our free spirit when we sit idly by and do nothing in the face of evil and watch it gain power over us. I have seen this with my own eyes on more than one occassion and experienced it up front and personal. To speak of things you have never experienced first hand is your first mistake and casting negative dispersions on ones heart from a reference point of hypotehtical beliefs is the second . Basicly what I am saying is violence exist for many reasons and not as simplistic as you might suggest. In all seriousness I would hope you might ponder much of what has been said in this exchange and perhaps rethink some stuff ? Just walking around thinking good thoughts is not enough to change the world but a great and naieve idea. I was a warrior big time at one point and I can assure you, most who have seen any resemblance of war in person are many times the first to want to never return to such for any reason as they have “seen” the absurdity of it in living color forever etched in their being. I am a realist, not a dark heart. You could not be more wrong in fact. I did not attack you in any way at any time but you did me? Sorry to say, so I know I hit a nerve in your world of reasoning and justifications of same. Simply wanting it to be a certain way does NOT nullify such things as violence and bad acts by those in power and I will never sit idly by and watch such without speaking out for the very reasons I have made abundantly clear . I would rather die speaking what I know to be true. But all can choose to deny any truth they choose can they not ? I am certain your intentions are absolutely good and honorable, but so are mine and that is your mistaken thinking/speaking ? No harm is done as I am very thick skinned and more than willing to discuss such things , but only in truth, so no reason to do anything but perhaps reconsider all IMO. I can tell I have touched something in you at the core of your beliefs. When all is said and done none of us have all the answers and everything we all think and feel is actually based on our previous and present experience and state of mind from such, combined with our ability to reason in truth and honesty to make sense of it all and “understand” as best we can. I am not big on hypotheticals when iit comes to people stuff and very big on what I see and experience, most of which is validated in history going back as far as we can. So consider this an opportunity not a negative. Peace brother, I have seen the “beast” more than once and spat in his eyeevery time and would have killed him if I had the power and good sense ! Being different is not always a bad thing indeed especially when needed .

I understand your need to believe in who you are, it is a common place human situation.

The truth though, is much more startling than most of us imagine. Blogs like this one, give all of us the opportunity to see reality from a different perspective. Like seeds sown in the garden, some take root and flourish, others whither and die. Freedom of choice is an individual experience. The truth can be very painful, but the freedom is priceless.
We have to sift the gem of a message from the grains, letting go of the chaff (imagination) as we go.

The fact is, Violence is useless and does not lead anywhere except back to the same circle.

I wrote about this “Imaginary I” we all suffer from, in a recent post. Below is a n excerpt.

“Imagine a suit of armour that surrounds you and keeps you safe, just like the comic book hero “Ironman”. Safe from what you ask?
Safe from reality I would say. It is an interesting phenomena that happens to everyone all day everyday… This magic suit operates from your imagination, as you refuse to acknowledge reality as it actually is, preferring instead your imaginary picture of yourself.”

As though you are already there ? Until you have faced violence and looked it square in the eyes you are still simply speaking words, that is my point. Like you, I doubt many here have ever really dealt with violence on a seriously violent level other than “talk” about how wrong it is. You missed my entire train of thought/point and until you find yourself in a violent situation , I doubt you will get it. What you call violence is not even close. You are basing your imperatives on nonsense. I know my point is valid because I have been there and experienced it first hand unlike yourself. All else is talk, conjecture and hypothetical and quite meaningless. Some day you will likely find out and think very differently as a great deal of violence is coming whether any of us like it or not and all your ideals will mean nothing on that day. Many things go along as accepted until they don’t ! Your only answer is violence is basicly bad ? Duh……………..This question I have posed is the most significant question we can consider given the conditions in the world we live in for the reasons stated above. You will not be able to hide or avoid violence in the not too distant future anywhere. The systems are breaking down and violence will increase not decrease. The proof is all around you, not from me. And I can assure you I feel very free and secure and have nothing to hide. Notice my handle, not a fake ? to hide behind.

Go rehtink, ponder this and ……………………..enjoy ! the bassist is only 16 years old, incredible she has more videos on that same page, a thing of joy and beauty forever and ever .

Eso – I read your link anbd it makes total sense and is real indeed. We all have lived in our own illusions in many ways and most will never understand that basic fact and act to see who they really are by letting go of their illusions and protctive mechanisms . I have been aware of what you wrote for many years so it is nothing new to me. My point is quite real and valid, you simply cannot see it because all you can consider is violence is bad and cannot think beyond that point to ponder all ramifications and reasonings. I am light years ahead of you on this , does it really matter ? NO, I was simply pointing out where most dare never tread because they have not been there and are scared to death of looking or even talking about it, just like the people you mention in your essay. Simple as that . So rethink, other wise you are them on this point ?

Soundgardner, it’s a deep story, the rise and fall and eventual death of Osho. Twists, turns, Government pressures, CIA, all kinds of intrigue…. on and on. He was a piercing intellect though. Straight to the heart of the matter, which is so rare today.

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