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I've never tried crack but I've done meth many times back in my raver days. I will speak from my personal experience, so henceforth whenever I say "you" I really mean "I". Sorry for this essay but I'm not going to give a TL;DR. You're very smart for asking this question so I won't insult your intelligence by summarizing.

Meth was a staple of the rave scene. This was before all the government propaganda and FUD. I knew a few addicts and could never understand why they would do such an awful thing to themselves. I used meth maybe twice a month or so, never had any qualms or worries about addiction, and quite enjoyed myself.

I've consumed meth by insufflation (snorting) and ingestion (pills\parachutes). Snorting comes on fast and tastes yucky. Ingestion is easier but takes 30 minutes or more to start working.

I won't lie here. Crystal methamphetamine feels great. It really does. It makes you feel like it's the first day after recovering from a bad cold. You breathe easily, you feel full of life and vigour, ambitious, jittery, and talkative. I've often described it as if there is a mild electric current running through you. It makes your sense of touch so acute that you are aware of the breeze brushing past your arm hair. I would absolutely describe it as euphoric. You can dance with almost limitless energy and never run out of things to say.

It's all a lie, of course. Your body is no more capable of these things than it is while sober. Your body won't tell you when you are overexerting yourself - you have to be responsible and mindful. Drink water but not too much. Rest as often as you would if you were sober. If you feel overheated, or know that you would feel overheated if you were sober, run cool water over your wrists and take off your shoes. Your appetite is suppressed and eating is somewhat undesirable. Pain is diminished. Sleep is impossible. Be smart, and again, be MINDFUL.

Note my use of the word sober. Meth is an intoxicant. You are not yourself. You will say and do things you wouldn't otherwise.

This is an addictive drug, make no mistake. As it wears off you experience unpleasant sensations. You get cranky, sad, and emotionally sensitive. I don't really know the words to describe it but you feel like a toddler with a quivering lip about to have a big crybaby tantrum at a department store. It's unpleasant and it sucks. There are two cures for this comedown - tough it out for a few hours or take more of the drug. You are an adult and it's your choice which path you take.

The more often you take it the less special it becomes. Meth is the very first drug I ever tried (not including alcohol) and holy frig it was magical. It was still wonderful later since I never abused it too badly and the magic didn't wear off. If you take a fresh dose to dull the pain of the comedown it ceases to be anything special, like how the last bite of a slice of cake is never as shockingly delicious as the first. The very first time you try meth, and EVERY other time, you will immediately understand how someone could become addicted to it. There is no good reason to allow yourself to let this happen. Orgasms would be boring if they lasted forever, and being bored of orgasms would rob you of your humanity.

One time I bought pills at a rave. The guy said it was meth. 15 minutes after swallowing them I barfed foam all over the dancefloor. It was laundry detergent. I'm lucky it wasn't poison. Learn from my stupidity and don't put your life in the hands of strangers.

Read more on the subject and continue to have the courage and intelligence to ask more questions. Drugs are powerful tools that can be used or abused. Know the difference before trying it. Know what good can be accomplished. Know what danger you can subject yourself to. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. If you're going to a rave or large party you might consider writing what you consume on your hand or a piece of paper in your wallet in case paramedics need to treat you.

Be safe and be smart. Don't believe the propaganda. Meth is wonderful but has the potential to ruin your life.

Just from my own experience working with the New York City Fire Department in Harlem, I've never been to any call where a person called for a possible OD on any drug (heroin, meth, crack, cocaine, and even the occasional marijuana "overdoses") who was arrested for possession. The only way I've seen people arrested when we get the call as a drug is when they assault the police officers or the medics that show up. And NYC is supposedly pretty tough on drug offenses, and I don't work in that great of a neighborhood. Just my own anecdote.

Cops get a bad rap, but they do a pretty good job in shitty situations. You hear about them doing bad shit all the time, but the good stuff they do never makes the news. They help people out all the time and it seems like they really try to avoid arrests if it's possible. For example, I had a guy who got upset and punched a window in his building and broke it. Us and the cops showed up - the guy was a decent enough guy, just didn't really know how to handle frustration I guess. The cops came up to us and asked us if we'd write it up as a psych, then they wouldn't arrest him because they could say it was an EMS issue and there was no criminal intent. So we agreed and the guy went to the hospital and got to talk with a psychiatrist instead of going to jail for breaking a city window.

We had another call where a mom called for her son who was trying to quit heroin and was feeling lousy. Us and the cops show up (NYPD shows up to all drug calls) and the cops were really nice in commending the person for quitting heroin on his own, and saying they understood how hard it was but that it was the right thing to do, etc, etc.

I've had my bad run-ins with PD on this job, but far and wide they're just a bunch of good guys looking to get home at the end of the day.

Thank you sincerely for writing this. I've always held cops in the highest regard but have had some bad experiences with them lately (some guy hit me in the face, there were witnesses and video evidence, I reported it, cops did nothing). Your post reminds me not to let this get me down. I'm so lucky that my biggest problems in life are so trivial.

Cops are like IT departments - nobody gives them a second thought until the server's down. If you have nothing to complain about then you should thank your lucky stars that your police are so vigilant.

My very white dad lived in a rough part of LA in the late 80s because he was broke, and his neighbors kept addressing him as "Officer." He kept insisting that he wasn't an undercover cop, that he just lived there and they kept calling him it just to fuck with him. But it went both ways: one night he had a police helicopter follow him as he was walking home with groceries. Pretty funny. So, to sum up, are you my time-traveling dad from 1987 who for some reason got a reddit account instead of finding his future self and family?
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I feel like there are a few funny stories about that one: "yeah man, like, I got so stoned that I forgot I smoked and I smoked more and forgot about both of those and shit, had to call you guys.. Yeah I can't get up to make the pizza rolls in my freezer"

Yeah, we've had people call because they ate pot brownies and thought they were going to die. I always feel for them because they obviously think they're truly on the brink of death, but if I said I didn't have a chuckle or two to myself after we dropped them off I'd be lying. Usually they calm down when I tell them it's pretty much impossible to die from a marijuana overdose.

Or maybe a scared newbie who smokes some very dank stuff and throws up and gets convinced he's going to die on the sidewalk outside a club. I remember having had "bad" trips on very good hashish when I was new to it. If I had not been with more experienced guys and in a safe environment and/or had consumed alcohol I might've been in this situation more than once. Especially because of bouncers. You throw up and they ask what you've taken and then some poor sod says "I think I'm overdosing on weed! :(" and then jail for the night.

I live in Harlem and had to call the FDNY to send an ambulance a few weeks ago for a girl who we were worried had alcohol poisoning. The operator was the biggest dick ever and the guys who came were assholes; laughing at the girl and just, generally, not doing their job. I ended up doing everything and convincing the girl to go with them. Don't you receive training for this type of stuff?

That being said, we didn't get busted for underage drinking which was definitely a relief though I would have called regardless.

Well, as for the operator being a dick, the only thing I can offer is that they're dicks to us as well.

As for the EMTs that came, sounds like you had a couple of douchebags. I won't sit here and sugarcoat it or defend it, but FDNY-EMS, and EMS in general in NYC, has some serious problems, culturally, intellectually, and logistically. It's one of the easier civil service positions to get, honestly, and therefore there are guys on the job who just view it as a paycheck and don't really care about EMS. Others have a "Rescue Me" complex, in which they think they're heroes, think they're saving people, etc, etc, and tend to look down on any call that isn't a shooting, a stabbing, or a cardiac arrest.

As for me, all I can say is that I treat everybody with respect until they give me a reason not to, and that usually means they're swinging/swung at me. I like EMS, but at the end of the day all I want is to get home and if I could help somebody out during the day, then great. I'm also looking to become a firefighter, and the last thing I need is a complaint on my record. So my philosophy is just do your job, do it well, and get home every night.

As for alcohol poisoning, there really isn't too much we could do for that. Even the hospital just basically lets them sleep it off. We'd basically just manage the symptoms - things like making sure it isn't depressing the respiratory system, checking their blood sugar to make sure any symptoms aren't diabetic related (although most ambulances don't carry glucometers), and in severe cases monitoring cardiac anomalies, but that goes way beyond simple intoxication. Like I said, the hospital will basically just let them sleep it off and monitor them.

But you definitely shouldn't have had to deal with assholes when you call 911. They said a medic's threshold of when to call 911 is always higher than the average persons. I always remember that, and if you really felt like there was an emergency going on, even if it turns out there wasn't, then I don't fault you for calling. If you're calling and you know it's bullshit, (people have called for toothaches, blisters, because they have an appointment at the hospital and their late, etc) then that's when I have a problem.

No problem. I'm disappointed when somebody has had a bad experience with EMS in New York City, and the fact that it was FDNY-EMS, and that it was in the area that I work in, it upsets me because I feel it reflects badly on me and others who do their job well. At the same time, I'm not going to sit here and try to justify a bad experience to a person who very clearly experienced one - it shouldn't have happened, end of story. There are some much needed changes to the EMS system in New York City, and I won't get into them here because it'd be incredibly long and not have much to do with the situation at hand - but I do hope that changes come, and soon.

in my town if you are in danger of dying from over dosing or alcohol poisoning and if you are underage drinking you will not get in trouble for it. I think this is awesome because hey its college have fun but they are more worried about our safety and wont arrest anyone who is under age or present at the scene because safety is their number one priority not busting stupid kids.

In Seattle, and many other municipalities/states, they have a completely badass program called "Dance Safe". Policemen will do chemical analysis on the pills/powder you have and then tell you what's in it - that's all. They are forbidden by law to harass or arrest you for what you bring them. I have been saved by Dance Safe but am not associated with them in any way; just trying to inform.

Very few places do that. I wish more did, because harm reduction is an important strategy when dealing with drugs... But unless i lived in a very liberal area, I would assume this program isn't around. Showing up with powders or pills will just get you arrested.

Sometimes, volunteer groups will run a testing table at an event, but often the local law ain't keen on anything they consider facilitating drug use. Having a volunteer-run testing table could be enough for a DA to decide the event was run with some intent to facilitate drug sales and use... Opening up criminal and civil liability for the venue owner and event promoters.

Sad, sad world. But that is more likely than police testing your drugs for you outside of a rare jurisdiction or two in a very liberal area.

I say this having been involved in lobbying Congress against the RAVE Act (which was eventually passed as a rider on the Amber Alert). It is also one of the reasons I hate Biden, who cosponsored the RAVE Act. In a private meeting with him, he basically told us we were boned and that he'd get the law passed, whether or not it was a good law, because it is "for the kids" and an easy legislative win.

The another lump of bullshit from that roaring fecal monsoon that is the War on Drugs.

This is the type of advice that should absolutely be followed. If you don't think you'll be able to pull yourself away from something that feels unimaginably amazing, then don't do it. This is the reason that I don't use "hard" drugs. It's too much for me, and I'm alright with that.

The biggest thing is to know yourself. I have friends that hang out with the rest of us that do drugs like cocaine, have no problem with the drug themselves, but choose not to do it simply because they know they aren't strong enough to stand off with addiction. You are a smart person for this.

Happened to me, twice. I was lucky enough to have bought two placebos and not laundry detergent.

I will give people one big advice that well, because of your story they already know it, but just in case: DO NOT buy ANYTHING from an unknown source. It could turn out fine and could be a good drug, or it could turn out being... laundry detergent. Don't learn from your own mistakes on this one, learn from other people's mistakes. I was lucky, you may not be.

This is very true. There were many deaths in my city a few years ago because some dipshit chick and her boyfriend made ecstacy with who-knows-what-the-fuck-kind of poison chemicals. One girl bought it from them at a club and her lungs collapsed.

My friend was also offered drugs from the same batch at the club. Thank god he was smart enough to say no. Turns out that the girl making the ecstacy went to the same high school school as us, but she dropped out of high school (probably to make a living from selling drugs and whatnot). So this one hit pretty close to home.

That girl is now currently on trial for intentional manslaughter of multiple victims. She faces a life sentence.

My uncle also told me about when he went to Amsterdam about 10 years ago. There was a kind of 'epidemic' in which people were dying left and right in clubs because of drugs (poisons used in manufactured drugs, as well as overdosing). My uncle actually watched a girl suffocate after her lungs collapsed from a bad batch of ecstacy.

So moral of the story, if you are going to take drugs...

a) Do your research, know what you're getting into.
b) Be as safe as possible

and

c) DO NOT take drugs from someone you don't know. Even if you do know the person, make sure that you know where they are coming from and who made them. You never know what could happen.

I'm sure most people in this sub already share this opinion, but people reading this from the bestof should know that there is an alternative way to live:

All drugs should be legal and regulated. People will take drugs no matter what laws are in place, so fuck prohibition, it doesn't work. Legalize, regulate. Keep drugs safe, keep the streets safe, starve gangs of their income, spend police money on real crimes.

I'm not even a viewer of this sub (just linked here from bestof) and while I personally have a great distaste for drugs, I also fully support your bolded view above.

It's obvious that the "war on drugs" is never going to work, and people are getting imprisoned in some cases for very silly things. Then, as in the tragic story above, you get people who resort to shady dealers for their drugs and it ends up costing them dearly.

The "ick" factor is not a defense to keep drugs so prohibited as they are now. I dislike drugs, but I support their legalisation and consequent regulation.

This would be great if all drugs were the alike. They are not, and this is where that argument gets sticky. Complete prohibition on one side, total legalisation on the other. Having had a meth problem myself, the devastation that it can cause is unfathomable. Regulate the rest. Weed, LSD, Mushrooms, MDMA. But kind sir, I know first hand that heroin, crack and meth are a very different kettle of fish. Drugs are no the same, and we oversimplify by treating them otherwise.

I respectfully disagree on this one. Almost all drugs (including alcohol and tobacco) can be bad if used excessively or in a self destructive way. We have to allow an adult to make the decision about what they want to put into their bodies. Note I say adult. The sale should be regulated the same as any other drug - with an age limit.

If "street" drugs are legalized (in the sense that we take the power out of the hands of gangs, cartels, etc) we stand to gain revenue from taxes, regulation so that people know what they're getting, and fewer violent crimes related to drug culture.

This will also lower the crime rate, put fewer people (minorities, predominantly) behind bars, and potentially make getting an education more attractive to kids who no longer see dealing as the only way out of a life of poverty.

I'm not saying it'd all be rosy, but the upsides of legalization, regulation, and personal responsibility far outweigh how we approach it now.

But prohibition doesn't work. Being pro-legalization doesn't mean pro-use. Look at portugal- legalized it all and abuse was HALVED. Regulation works. Prohibition does not. That is fact now. Besides, it's always better to put abusers in rehab instead of jail.

You had a meth problem. Did the fact that meth is illegal prevent you from having a meth problem? No.

You are falling into the same ignorant argument that bad things should be prohibited. Prohibition doesn't work! You found meth. Anybody can find meth! But if it is legal, we can make it easier for people to recognize the symptoms of addiction and seek treatment without the threat of imprisonment!

I'm not in favour of prohibition, and support freedom to choose. But drugs like meth are always going to cost lives, whether they are legal or illegal. I might be a fatalist because of it, but the death and destruction from these drugs is here to stay no matter how we deal with it.

I would add
D) If you buy from a dealer you know, no matter how much of a "friend" they are, you can't trust their suppliers, or even higher on the ladder. I would always wait until my guy tried a new batch himself before buying any. (As in he got a batch friday, took some with friends, and I'd buy Sunday)

Yep, listen to this advice. Bought some rolls at a local show from a 'regular' once. I ate them at a festival. They were supposedly ecstasy. 8 hours, one insane trip, and a lost tee shirt later I came back to the real world. I was lucky in that I am an experienced tripper and managed to hold my own. The trip came on fast, but i collected myself and got through it knowing there was no turning back. I can however imagine many ways that this story could have ended differently.

This is number one for me when doing any kind of drug. Know and trust who you're getting it from. Preferably they've tried it first rather than relying on a long chain of trust. In the real world, people will sell you anything they can without batting an eye. Often you'll be given an offer that seems almost too good to be true. You think, damn this is cheap, why not try it? Because it could kill you and is almost certainly not what you're looking for. I've been duped enough times at concerts, festivals, raves, etc that I will never again buy from someone I don't personally know.

I have one more warning for you. I've done meth a handful of times. I started doing it occasionally with a dude I really looked up to. He would give me a small bump of it and I would feel it almost instantly. By small, I mean about a centimeter long. We'd sniff it and then go skateboarding. It was friggen fun as hell. The first time bought some on my own though, I got in some pretty big trouble. I bought a bag a glass that looked just like the stuff I had seen my boy Jim crush up and lay out for me. I sniffed the same amount and was expecting to feel how I felt before when Jim would hook it up, but I didn't. I barely felt anything. So I kept on sniffing it, thought it was just weak stuff. I barely felt anything after several bumps so I decided to lay out a fat line and sniffed that too. After about twenty min or so of not feeling much, I was hit with a fucking intense blast. I remember looking down at my stomach and seeing that I had lost like five pounds. I was so fucking high. Scared to death. I didn't sleep for three days. I was sick as a dog after the first eight hours or so. I thought I was going to die. Had to miss work and just wait it out, it fucking sucked real bad. So if you get some ice, and it doesn't kick in after twenty min, wait another twenty min to make sure it's just not creeper. It can be a really good time, but damn man, when its bad, it's really bad.

Thank you very much for sharing this story! I've had good friends prevent me from taking more when a substance didn't work for me as quickly as I expected or didn't work at all. They smartly advised me that it's better to be disappointed than to overdose. I was lucky to have such good friends.

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Body is healthy
My rhymes make me wealthy
And the Funky Bunch helps me
To bring you a show with no intoxication"

I don't see why drug dealers gotta be such dicks. When one of my friends used to deal cocaine, he would crush up vitamins (vitamin c, I believe) and mix them together. He figured if he was gonna rip a guy off, the least he could do is make them healthier.

I once new a guy who referred to cocaine as "vitamin C" so he could talk about it in public without incriminating himself. However, he was old school Hollywood, and I'm pretty sure his supply was not diluted much.

I was only into it socially. I love weed and psychadelics, but I take little pleasure from stimulants or power trips. That said, this guy's wife was notorious for her coke binges, and together they threw some really amazing parties. I wouldn't know how to guess the weight, but the one time I was an early guest I saw him take a tightly-wrapped mass at least the size of a golf ball and dump it all onto the public tray. That surface was spotless when I ducked back in to get my coat ~2am.

I know they both thought of me as a lightweight for stopping after a couple of very thin lines. Even that was enough to get me hyper-attentive and hyper-talkative despite a belly full of champagne. Part of me wishes I was less inhibited back then, but part of me is glad I never stirred up any real drama during/after those events.

yeah, if I somehow "had to" ingest something misrepresented, I'd rather it be baking soda than detergent or something more dangerous. As a false-dealer it really makes no sense if you think about it for longer than the one second it takes for dollar signs to dance through your eyes. Selling people who will take drugs things that can and probably will kill them ends up a)giving you a bad rep b)makes nobody want to buy from you c)can fucking kill people d)can get you arrested a lot faster than just selling drugs would when they start investigating why everyone in town is dying and all the friends point toward someone fitting your description.

Only idiots with no human empathy or common sense fake drugs, and unfortunately there are still way too many people who don't test their drugs before taking. Hell, even anecdotal evidence of someone using something from a certain batch successfully is better than going on zero info.

Militant straight edge kids are the fucking worst. I lived in Richmond, IN and they would roam around town finding people with cigarettes and drinks to berate or, given their numbers, beat up. FUCK "SXE"

What is the deal with people from Indiana? I feel like everyone I have met from there was one of two extremes. The weirdest part being that the Christians were the ones like those in your example and the rest were just alcoholics that were down for whatever.

thats tremendously sick. you dont know how many future scientists and engineers are potentially at these parties just taking the drugs to take the edge off their social inadequacies. i knew tons of people in IT at those raves.

And fuck the system for forcing intelligent capable informed people need to deal with strangers in night clubs who can sell detergent instead of the real thing. Rather than simply selling the drug over the counter with tons of health warning labels, like cigarettes.

I first heard about harm reduction from the wonderful non-profit organization, the Toronto Raver Info Project aka TRIP. Rave organizers could have them set up booths for free where they would hand out pamphlets and condoms and inform people about harm reduction. They also had cell phones and some first aid training. They were the most patient, coolest people around with great big hearts.

My father is a drug counselor and is all about harm reduction. He was a meth addict for many years and has been clean for over a decade (go Dad!), but his dedication to honesty and harm reduction have been a huge burden on his career. There is a lot of push against the very idea of harm reduction, especially in my state. But he has over two years of a less than 10% recidivism rate, and he tells me that with two more years he'll be able to publish his findings. I'm really proud of him for bucking the system an actually working to change this abstinence-only system our country has.

Your dad is a good man. When propaganda polarizes the issue as "addict or clean" it's so hard to understand that there is a grey area. If I was an addict I'd feel like I was just one of the damned and there is no turning back. Harm reduction is the most realistic means of keeping curious people safe.

I say this because I know I went overboard. I once did 5 E's in a 12 hour period. That's just moronic. Today I'm married and have a full time job and have a post-graduate education. Many of my friends were nowhere near as lucky.

I believe that you can use drugs responsibly. Alcohol and caffeine are drugs too, of course. Moderation is key and that was where I failed often, but luckily not so often that I ruined my life.

I hope that answers your question. That's exactly the kind of thing a responsible person should ask.

Of course I've seen people ruin their lives on downers more than uppers but it's the same with all drugs. Don't use it as an everyday crutch. Use it as a parachute on the way down from those heights and you're good. As my buddy said, they like pillows for the soul.

It's the difference between addiction and responsible use. I was reading an article on here recently about how children learn about delaying gratification or instant gratification, and how that affects them in later life.

I think this is possibly one of the factors that influences people to addiction. There is a certain type of person who knows the choice, knows the 2 paths, and still picks the instant gratification of another hit. These are the type of people who in my experience, I have seen to be more vulnerable to addiction.

... If only there was a third option, like some kind of other drug, one with a relatively small number of relatively mild side effects, that you could take to make the few hours way, way less unpleasant. Some kind of drug that you might vaporize or burn and inhale, or ingest in delicious baked goods, which would then make you less angry, more able to sleep and relax, and more able to seek sustenance to assist your body with the repairs process after bouncing off walls all night...

I was a raver years ago, I did a fair bit of meth and other stimulant variations. My general approach to come downs was always to just sleep it off - either dance enough that I got so tired I could sleep through the come down - or get massively stoned, watch the 5th element and drift through the day after.

I didn't smoke weed until after I stopped raving (can't handle smoking and didn't discover vapes until later) when I got stoned the first time the first thing I said was "where was this when I came home from each rave!?"

That being said sex helped me sleep through come downs, I'd just come home with my girl and we'd fuck ourselves into a coma and wake up almost a day later with the worst cotton mouth and hungry as a fat kid in a cake store.

Meth is the damn devil. In my opinion it's the MOST addictive drug there is, because you feel like such a better YOU. You'll have all these amazing projects, and ideas. You'll have all these amazing and insightful conversations with your friends. Tweaker philosophy sounds amazing at the time!

Then you wake up twenty years later. With a bunch of friends you can't trust. No teeth in your mouth and no money in the bank. You think you have a lifetime of experiences but really all you've been doing is chasing dope the past two decades with nothing to show for it but a damaged body and a broken mind.

I've put meth on my "do not try" list because if I didn't stop somewhere, I wouldn't stop anywhere. With the risks and negatives associated with it, I'll just stick with the magic that is psychedelics and let my curiosity (which is the only force for it at all) know it has to hav it's bounds.

C-C-C-Combo!!!!!!
If i Have six months left in life, Ill mix and match whatever I feel like, even if it would probably kill me... Hippy/Candy flip + Speedball + the dankest edibles in God's oven.... i can't even imagine

Yep, I feel like I wouldn't. But my dad was an addict and, like I said, it's just to put the line somewhere. Actually, I think it's back even farther: I've put cocaine out of reach. It's a self-discipline thing, not a real fear or anything.

I smoked meth ONE time because some friends were doing it and I was curious to try it. That turned into a 3 day binge and I had some sudden "wake up"...a moment of clarity if you will at 7a when a meth dealer named Twerk was sitting in my living room and I was working out (on paper) how I could budget it into my everyday life and it scared me enough that I demanded the guy leave my apartment immediately....Meth was the best drug I've ever tried and I have never touched it since. I don't take that moment for granted, ever, I could easily be a meth addict today.

You breathe easily, you feel full of life and vigour, ambitious, jittery, and talkative. I've often described it as if there is a mild electric current running through you. It makes your sense of touch so acute that you are aware of the breeze brushing past your arm hair. I would absolutely describe it as euphoric. You can dance with almost limitless energy and never run out of things to say.

From Harry Potter wiki:

Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which everything they attempt will be successful...Felix is highly toxic in large quantities and is also a banned substance in all organised competitions, such as Quidditch, along with all other methods of cheating. It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong...

I am recovering from a ten year long adderall addiction. How meth was described here is very similar to what it feels like on adderall. A limitless focus and energy, you can feel your teeth grinding in your skull and your clothes brushing up on your skin and every touch becomes amazing. Your mind is never still, and your body contantly craves purposeful movement. At first you are a whiz of conversation and babbling, but then the anxiety creeps in so you focus on a task and withdraw from others. I am told I acted very nervous and shifty around people while on adderall. If you are a smoker, you will crave cigarettes constantly. I could smoke a whole pack in a few hours while high. You also become paranoid, as your mind is never quiet and races over a million different things constantly, so innocent interactions become overanalyzed to death and gain sinister meaning. I became an absolute dynamo at work (I'm a secretary) completing a week of work in a matter of hours. I could garden all day on the weekends in hundred degree heat. But your body pays for it, and when I didnt have my drug, I would eat non-stop, and sleep for 14 hours a night. I would run myself ragged and be sick all the time. I could write a book, but I'll stop where I am.. suffice it to say the addiction was all consuming

I agree absolutely. Everyone should read your comment. Some people hate chocolate, some people laugh at documentaries, and some people don't enjoy drugs. Everyone is different so you should use caution when trying something "tried and true".

You forgot to mention the part where for every hour you spend feeling awesome, you're going to spend two or more feeling shitty. And that, while you're coming down, every two hours are going to feel more like four. You won't be able to sleep, though you'll feel exhausted. You won't be able to swallow food, though you'll feel starved.

Maybe describing the comedown as "unpleasant" isn't outright untruthful, but it really doesn't do justice to what the majority of people feel when coming off of strong stimulants. This might draw the line between people who have a difficult time stopping and those who can do it on rare occasions. Dunno, tho.

A million times YES to everything you've said. The more you use, the worse your comedown will be. I never used it heavily so I can't say how bad it can get - it just made me feel crabby and depleted the next day.

I can expand upon this a little bit, I used meth heavily for about 3 years, approx. 1/4 gram a day.

In your post you said "Orgasms would be boring if they lasted forever, and being bored of orgasms would rob you of your humanity." This is one of the best explanations I've ever seen, but it gets even worse, the "orgasm" of doing meth gets harder and harder to achieve but also when you are sober you don't feel like yourself, you don't feel normal.

For months after quitting it was like I had no emotions, I never wanted to smile, or laugh, I could not become sad or angry. I was just apathetic about everything, and even now 8 years later I still feel like it has lasting effects and I'm not the same type of person I was before my abuse.

And yes people selling you bullshit is fairly common, baby laxatives and a supplement you can get from GNC that we always called Flex were very common things to add to it to make it more profitable.

My childhood friend died this year. He went from a stoner to a tripper to a guy who did all kinds of bad drugs. Eventually his friends stopped talking to him. And he survived a few OD scares. And he hurt people and spent time in jail. And his babies were taken away by the state.

It was awful, his family stood by him, they still lost him, and I caution you to consider the long term journey that drug use can turn into if you let it.

When he died there wasn't a single person from his adult "party" life at his funeral. Mostly kids who knew him from grade school. Who were adults and had lives and families. He was three weeks away from turning 32.

That's exactly why I feel so lucky to be here today to tell my tales. I'm awfully sorry to hear about your friend. Moderation is the only way to use drugs.

I keep in touch with a few of my old raving buddies, but most are blurry memories. Who's to say whether I missed any funerals. It's sad and humbling to think about. A couple of twists and fate and it could be my lonely funeral instead.

This sounds very similar to ecstasy. If anyone is considering it, there is a testing kit that used to be for sale from...dancesafe.org or something like that? I can't speak for what it tested, or how legit it is, but the results seemed to provide pleasurable experiences each time.

Testing kits test for whether a chemical is present. It won't tell you how pure a pill is or whether there are additives but it will tell you whether it contains the drug you're looking for. A 100% pure pill and a 1% pure pill will show the same result.

Methamphetamine primarily acts on dopamine while MDMA primarily affects serotonin, so they are quite different, in the same way that 4-OH-DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, and n,n-DMT are all quite different, with different dose ranges and effects. It can be unsafe to make that assumption.

methamphetamine is short for "n-METHyl-Alpha-Methyl-PHenyl-EThyl-AMINE".

Phenyl is six carbon atoms in a ring with one of the carbons bonded to some other group -- in this case, ethylamine (i.e. a chain of two carbons and an NH2 group). The Nitrogen atom and the chained carbon atoms can each have another atom attached as well. The two carbons are referred to as the alpha and beta carbons, so if you attach one more carbon (i.e. a methyl group) to the alpha carbon, you get alpha-methyl-phenylethylamine (or amphetamine), and if you attach one more to the nitrogen, you get N-methyl-amphetamine, or methamphetamine.

Even single carbon changes can result in drastically different substances. "Methyl" and "Ethyl" refer to chains of one and two carbons, respectively. Attach an oxygen-hydrogen group to one of them and you get methanol or ethanol. One of them will make you drunk and the other will make you blind/dead.

Likewise, Amphetamine and Methamphetamine differ by only a single carbon, but they are quite different drugs, yes? While MDMA is indeed methamphetamine with a methylenedioxy group on the other side of the phenyl ring, it's a completely different substance.

Most of that went over my head but what really hit home is your comment that a single atom can drastically change the properties of the molecule. Science is the best drug because it reveals new aspects of reality based on fact and observation!

not just the atoms, but their arrangement makes a huge difference as well. I remember in high school my chem prof explaining that thalidomide has one branch in the wrong orientation, and ended up with mothers having a bunch of fucked up babies. They ended up making it in zero G and that branch would orient itself another way and the babies would be fine

i just wanted to shed a bit of light on the addiction side. i was/am a meth addict. i say am because i have relapsed a few times, and once a meth addict, always a meth addict, in my humble opinion. the way he described meth was spot on. its as if youre a super hero almost and youre up there, just above it all. its all your playground. the world is yours. but the world is also out to get you, simple things make you feel terror throughout your body, youre itching simply because you have to and are somewhat paranoid you have an itch and want to scratch it to be sure, etc. you dont know youre addicted until you find yourself asking how much meth do i have for tomorrow? and until youre on your knees for it. and until theres nothing worse than being without a hit, youd do anything. its never one time. its, that was awesome! and then a bit later you decide another time wont kill me and so on and so forth. until youre on a street in who the fuck knows where coming down and finding some guys with some crank to bump. then you go off and jack some cash from some stranger, or sell some kids some fake ass shit and go get some more crystal. you literally cant remember when you last ate, and youve been chain smoking to the point where your fingers are turning black. every light is a cop car and every noise is a threat. all the people are looking at you funny you wanna tell them to fuck off, but they might be cops, and then you know that theyre setting you up, but you want the meth so bad, you go anyways. you get there, and everything seems to go fine, but youd swear the helicopter that just passed by was looking for you. sorry for the rant, i just wanted to share this. at the time, i was also addicted to heroin and had a problem with pcp. ive basically quit all three now, but i do others in moderation, drink, and toke up all day errday [: ( [10] right now)
TL;DR im a meth addict (mainly quit) and its a helluva drug.

A lot of the effects you described are similar to Adderall. I'm guessing because they're both amphetamines. I've only taken Adderall and am curious to how it compares not because I want to try meth, but legitimate curiosity.

Adderall is very similar, but it's nowhere near as stong. It's maybe 1/2 strength of Meth. Meth also intensifies the pleasant, euphoric effects of Amphetamines compared to Adderall even more than the strength difference. Adderall makes concentrating easy, Meth makes concentrating on carpet sharding, pipe scraping, and other mindless bullshit easy. Meth is also way more addictive, especially if you slam or smoke it. The euphoria from your first hit of meth smoke/vapor is indescribable, i'm getting chills just thinking about it right now, but it's nearly impossible to get back to that level of euphoria; hence chasing the high.

like how the last bite of a slice of cake is never as shockingly delicious as the first. The very first time you try meth, and EVERY other time, you will immediately understand how someone could become addicted to it. There is no good reason to allow yourself to let this happen. Orgasms would be boring if they lasted forever, and being bored of orgasms would rob you of your humanity.

This is probably one of the best descriptions of altered consciousness I've read. It's almost poetic sir.

I tried once with MDMA but couldn't get it up, and didn't really want to or care to at the moment. I've been told this is a common occurrence for maybe half of men. I don't know if it was a "mechanical" problem or just my state of mind. In that state the last thing on my mind was "how can I feel even better?" Smooching sure was nice, though.

I've had great conversations and danced with unprecedented fluidity on meth but never had any interest in sex while high on any drug except alcohol. That might be more of a personal psychological thing than biological.

If they taught kids what drugs were really like, everyone would be doing them. I had to write an English assignment entitled 'Should hard drugs be legalised?' when I was 13. Before then I thought drugs were bad mmmkay, but after doing my research I wanted to try everything I could get my hands on.

And I did.

And I enjoyed all of it, because I knew what to expect, when to do them to get most enjoyment and how to handle undesirable aspects.

I think most people would benefit from doing acid at least once and a lot of people would benefit from smoking weed regularly.

I'm very afraid of trying meth, so I don't intend to. I must say, though, I believe most drugs can be done without harm so long as you don't fool yourself as to how dangerous and addictive they are. I do coke once or twice a year and it's GREAT, but I don't allow myself any more than that. Tried H once and was astonished that it wasn't very different than any other opiate, prescribed or otherwise. Stronger, but not different. The important thing is that you don't just jump into it thinking "this is great, let me keep doing it and feeling this great". You have to think more along the lines of "this is great, I can totally see how addictive this could be, I can't allow myself to do this again for another year". But that's just me, certain things aren't right for everyone. As adults it's up to us to make those decisions and be responsible for our own choices.

Candy Flipping (X and Acid) and shrooms were the most awesome drug experiences i ever had. For me it was all about the context of the experience. Wonder around the Trona Pinnacles barefoot at 3am with pounding base whispering in the background from a distance and you'll start to get it. (i miss desert parties)

I used to buy ecstasy from a dealer which he cut with crystal meth, I would stay up for days and I couldn't stand the idea of not being on it. I was so afraid of the transition I would buy 10-20 pills and just be high all the time by bumping myself constantly- it was a nightmare.

Be safe and be smart. Don't believe the propaganda. Meth is wonderful but has the potential to ruin your life.

Almost everyone I grew up with was a Meth addict. Meth is the worst thing that you could do to yourself. Fuck how great or good it feels.

I hate your non-concerned attitude. The way you talk about it as if it is a trifle experience. It is trife as fuck. There were about two dozen of us when I was a teenager. Six of us aren't dead or in prison; or in and out of prison.

Hey, that's fine. Be safe and smart. But the person who does end up becoming addicted? Know how hard it is to get treatment for Meth? Especially, if you don't have any money? Do you know what happens when the people around you find out that you use Meth? You become a fucking pariah.

How great for you that you were able to be a weekend warrior. But I've watched people scream for hours because in withdrawal they felt like their teeth were being torn out of their head. How about that girl who gets ran through by a room full of dudes for some dope? How about being awake for a week and feeling absolutely fucking soulless while you try to remember how to feel something?

Meth is one of the most addictive drugs there is. I hope I conveyed that in my original post. I can't disagree with anything you've said, but I'm living proof that experimentation doesn't have to end in disaster.

You did but it was eclipsed by the air of the message. It's true, it is not a rule that experimentation will end in disaster, and for a lot of people it takes five to ten years of casual use to become addicted. But there are many, many people who are consumed. There is a lot of talk and interest about Meth on reddit. I feel the experienced should take a more cautionary tone, especially with the amount of young people and adolescents here.

I'd never ever forgive myself if my words were misconstrued to drive someone to try drugs without learning about them first. I really appreciate you sharing your concerns. It's a good early reminder that I should speak with as much clarity as I can muster.