If we're debating who should get the 4th spot in 2 weeks more focus should be on whether Washington deserves the autobid for the 4th spot. Their schedule is ass, and they're not playing their best ball at the end. PSU, OU, OkState (if they win out) would have better arguments and answer the "who are the 4 best teams" way better even despite their 1 extra loss.

All 3 of those teams would only have 1 loss with Washington's schedule too.

These comparisons make no sense. The NFL plays 16 games. This isn't the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NCAA Basketball. Comparing the CFB Playoff to any other post season is irrelevant.

Colorado had two chances to impress the committee and make a statement to why they should be considered and they lost.

Im not sticking up for colorado, you could pick a better team not included in those F+ rankings, like Oklahoma.

You cant just assume the #1 team every year would just mop the floor with the #8 team. Thats very short-sighted. There are much better arguments against an 8 team playoff than "who wants to watch (my assumed thought) that the #1 team will kill the #8 team"

Posting the F+ rankings now is misleading because Colorado is likely to lose 1 of its next two games and not be in the top 10 in F+ by the time the playoff is actually announced. But sure, if they beat Utah and Washington, I'd be fine with them in a hypothetical 8 team playoff.

After the CCG, I'll post a hypothetical playoff under the scenario I proposed compared to what an 8 team playoff would look like with the committee's top 8 rankings.

You seem pretty sure, and I'd be down for putting a wager on this if you are interested. Criteria would be that Washington and Clemson win out and finish with 1 loss (I think I agree with you that Penn State has a good shot if Washington loses a game). Wager is void if either Michigan beats Ohio State or Penn State loses in B1G championship game, as said scenario of Penn State as B1G champ wouldn't happen.

I am a betting man, BUT the key variable is the committee which like you said are a bunch of shills lobbying for their own conference/interests. So wouldn't be a fair bet necessarily.

I am interested in what the wager would be tho

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If we're debating who should get the 4th spot in 2 weeks more focus should be on whether Washington deserves the autobid for the 4th spot. Their schedule is ass, and they're not playing their best ball at the end. PSU, OU, OkState (if they win out) would have better arguments and answer the "who are the 4 best teams" way better even despite their 1 extra loss.

All 3 of those teams would only have 1 loss with Washington's schedule too.

My point exactly.. Washington hammered a bunch of shit teams and lost to the best team they've played. The advance metrics like the PAC 12 tho, not sure why.

2 of the 4 on the show so that's half right there.. and Rece is more than a host.

Again I'm not saying the entire country will be up in arms, but if you think the only people who will have an issue with Ohio st getting in over PSU are PSU fans you are definitely wrong.

Actually you did say the country would be upset:

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It does appear now that PSU and Ohio St are no longer competing for the same spot... BUT if you heard Joey Galloway and Danny Kanell last night, they did have an issue with a PSU B1G champ getting left out for Ohio St, which is the point I've been makin the last few weeks in this thread, that it would be a tough sell from the committee to the country and not just PSU fans would have a problem with it.

There point was not that they have a problem with Ohio St being ranked above PSU, I don't have a problem with that, but there problem is with PSU being left out for Ohio St.

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Neither .. I'm just saying people will have an issue with it, Lee making it seem like no one in the entire world (PSU fans aside) would care tho.

I did qualify my responses saying the vast, vast majority of analysts and the country at large wouldn't be concerned. I asked for you to point out the non-PSU fans on this thread who think Penn State should get in over Ohio State (under our hypothetical), but you haven't posted any yet.

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There Is a difference between losing your #1 CB and being down to your 5th, 6th and 7th LBs on the depth chart. Not making an excuse im just saying.

Absolutely correct. The difference is when the injuries affect your team they are important, but other teams are not important.

Iowa... it's not about hammering teams. like I said PSU has and will have better wins than Washington has/will have.

Reason Washington is even there right now is because everyone says how impressive they've looked in all their wins... but they haven't beat anybody of note, so not sure what's so impressive about hammering Oregon and Cal. They beat Utah who just lost to oregon, which is their best win. Not a great resume.

I did qualify my responses saying the vast, vast majority of analysts and the country at large wouldn't be concerned. I asked for you to point out the non-PSU fans on this thread who think Penn State should get in over Ohio State (under our hypothetical), but you haven't posted any yet.

Absolutely correct. The difference is when the injuries affect your team they are important, but other teams are not important.

I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

:LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.

I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

:LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.

The point is everyone deals with injuries, the committee is not going to give a fuck. Those injuries are not the reason PSU lost to Pitt.

I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

:LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.

Injuries are injuries. They suck, and it's a part of football. Why didn't Penn State have more depth?

The point is everyone deals with injuries, the committee is not going to give a fuck. Those injuries are not the reason PSU lost to Pitt.

Never said the committee will care one way or the other.. but saying oh we lost our RG and now have our backup in, isn't comparable to being on your 4th - 6th string LBs . That was the only singular point I was making.

I don't like the thought of a non-division winning, non-conference champion getting into the playoffs, but it's undeniable that Ohio State is one of the best four teams in the country and I don't think it'd be a tough sell at all to CFB fans.

Until they lose to Michigan...... and Speight being out could be their saving grace. (sorry, just saw Lees reply to this)

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I mean its not hard to figure out why. PSU squeaked out a win over tOSU. PSU lost to Pitt, and were getting beat badly before a late comeback attempt, and got crushed my Michigan. tOSU would have a win over Michigan. Plus the eye test favors tOSU greatly.