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Shack 16

I know this is another call to the local CO question, but I have noticed a larger number of permanent deer stands going up on State forest and other public lands!

I have not heard of any law changes, but I have seen 3 newly constructed deer stands on Wild Life refuge, countess old stands that someone could use and one deer ladder stand on state forest land with no one in it (could have gone in for lunch).

What does one do when they encounter these stands? Do you do nothing, like I do? Do you tear down, like someone had done to a newly constructed one I had seen on a recent

grouse hunting trip? Do you call local CO and inform him/her of stand?

Also I wonder what would happen if CO caught someone sitting in a permanent stand

on public land during gun opener? What would you say to someone sitting in a permanent stand on public land during hunting season, if you came across someone!

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vister 0

vister 0

I am not sure of whether or not one can construct a permanent stand in state land. However, permanent or portable, if the stand is left out and unused at the time you see it there, you may legally use it. By legally, i mean that while unoccupied the stand is fair game for all to use, not just the individual who placed it there. That is why sometimes you come across a ladder stand with the bottom 5 feet of the ladder sections removed, so they can bring the section back out with them. This way no one can use "their" stand.

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TroyMcClure 0

I grouse hunt on public land a bit and see a lot of permanent stands. The rule is you aren't supposed to build them, and once they are out on the land anyone can use them. I almost want to just go out and sit in one during the firearm season just to irk the person that built them. Why build a permanent anymore when the portables are so nice?

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huntingmaxima 0

huntingmaxima 0

I think that they are just an eye sore. If I had my choice I would tear them all down. These guys that build the perms think that they have squatters rights now also. Clean up our wood and tear them down!!!

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Wanderer 314

Wanderer 314

I posted with commentary of this on the trail cam thread. In Crow Wing Co. a week ago, we drove into a section that had a blaze orange sign at the entrance stating that you COULD NOT PLACE A PERMANANT STAND ON COUNTY LAND. Well we found plenty.

I've heard stories of CO's going around the week before season and tearing down as many as they can but they just can't get them all.

I have mixed feelings about it, but I really wish people would just play fair and obey the law. I would hate to hear about a disagreement gone bad over "Someone was sitting in someone elses stand".

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jbdragon17 0

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It IS legal to build a permanent stand in a state forrest. Most other public lands require that everything be removable, but state forrest still DO allow it though it is discouraged, and you can not legally claim the stand.

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BLACKJACK 3

BLACKJACK 3

Aside from the fact that those stands are eyesores, the wood and junk usually gets left forever, is the fact that the builders of those stands are claiming that spot of public hunting land as theres. Who wants to go confront a gun toting $%$#@ on opening morning?

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My party has been hunting (from permanent stands) for years on state land. We know the other parties hunting in the same area, and all respect each others stands. I think it comes down to ethics. I wont sit in a stand not built by my hunting party, unless one of the neighboring parties gives the "ok". It just doesnt seem right to do that to someone.

Yes I call it "my stand" because I built it legally. I know I have no legal right to make someone else leave if they are in it, but I would have no problem asking them too.

Fortunately it has not been an issue, and I hope it never will be. We hunt a long way out, and have a good relationship with the neighbors.

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EXTREME 0

EXTREME 0

Why does this whine go on every year. The law states no permenant stands on National forests and WMA's. State and county land it is legal to have one. I personally use portables, but I don't really have a problem with permanents. Just leave those people alone...don't we all have the same purpose...have fun and hunt deer!

It is only "recomended" to use portable stands...not required. Nails are stated to be a safety hazard, but you can still use them (it doesnt say you can not). You can not cut trees more than 4 inches in diameter, and it is illegal to build a cabin out there. Other than that... build away.

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colonel42 0

The funny thing about this is no one has issues with these stands other then the three weeks of deer season. I myself had permenant stands way back when but have moved on to ladder stands and climbers. In the area where I hunt I own 120 acres. In our party we have 12 people that hunt. Most of the State land and county land is land locked around mine. No road access what so ever. Some of the people in our party set up on state land and have done so for 25+ years. Another hunting party that hunts near us have been out there for 40+ years. Last week one of the land owners near by decided to lease a 40 acre field beyond our property. Last Saturday after hearing about this lease I drove out to see what was going to happen. Just to let you know this field is an over grown hay field that has not been cut in the 25+ years I have been hunting it. Lots of tagelder and not one possible tree to even think about putting a portable stand in. Nine guys from Hutchenson have leased this land with expectation of coming up the week before hunting and finding areas to hunt. No care factor of finding out who hunts the land or where deer stands have been established. My point is if you don't own land there are going to be issues to come down the line. Way back when people built permenant stands on state and county land in our group they have always been maintained and if they were falling apart they were tore down and hauled out. We as hunters have to take care of these lands like they were ours. I very well understand the concerns of the state and counties not wanting permenant stands on their property. It only makes sence. It's there land.

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Neiko 1

Neiko 1

I believe it is legal to build a permanent stand on state forest also as long as there wasn't walls and a roof. Reading the article in Outdoor News has me guessing who is right because I believe they wrote in there article they are not allowed.

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Wanderer 314

I just want to offer this perspective and maybe it will help explain why this topic comes up every year.

As a "wanderer" type hunter, I hunt both public and private. I like to see new country. When I get introduced to a new area like by my friends 140 this year, I sometimes find areas on govt. land that I would REALLY like to hunt. Especially since his ground is already saturated with the original party.

When I explore the area I start getting that feeling that THIS would be a good spot. I start looking for a setup tree. Oh, crap, theres a stand It looks new-somebody will be here but I would really like to hunt it. Dang, not worth the hassle. Find another spot. Another stand. It doesn't look new. I wonder if anybody will be in it? Should I chance it? Nah, keep looking.

Finally! A spot just on govt. land across the private property line. Looks great! NO STAND! Guess what?? I've looked long and hard for this so up goes my portable. Locked. 25 feet up. Tree pegs removed.

Now I'm guilty of being on both sides of the fence when I would really just rather get up earlier than the next guy and be where I want to be first. Otherwise I don't EVER get to equally share public land on a first come first served basis.

One guy has that public deer funnel locked up for 25 years because he nailed up some 2x4's. Thats why its a sore spot.

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Craig_S 0

One guy has that public deer funnel locked up for 25 years because he nailed up some 2x4's. Thats why its a sore spot.

And that's why I predict that on all public land, all perms will be illegal in a few years. Maybe 5 at the long end. Crow Wing County, Cass County, and the National Forests already ban perms on thier lands. A few other Counties will tumble in soon. The more conflict there is, the sooner they will go.

Plat books can be confusing, make sure you know what type of public land you are on. Sometimes County owned land is listed as State of Minnesota Tax Forfeit. I've seen confusion about that.

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Lip_Ripper Guy 7

I'm having some of these same issues. This will be my first year hunting public land, and quite frankly, I'm scared ****less. I have no idea where people are hunting, how many there are, etc. I've seen how people act at boat launches, on the lakes at 'their spot', on the roads and such. I'm going into the woods for the first time on Friday morning, in hopes that people will have marked out their areas, or will have their stands up, but I really won't know all the details until well after sunrise on Saturday morning.

I'm not sure how or if their would be a better way of doing the current system, nor do I know if the current one works. I can almost guarantee that someone will have the "I've been here for x years" mentality, but according to the regs, it all resets come shooting time on Saturday.

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Court ruling would place unnecessary burdens on more than 500,000 White Bear Lake area residents
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Ruling not supported by scientific evidence, creating precedent that could restrict development and impose new burdens on residents across Minnesota
The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources today announced it will appeal a Ramsey County District Court ruling regarding water management of White Bear Lake and its surrounding groundwater. Without appeal, the court’s ruling would place unnecessary burdens on more than 500,000 White Bear Lake area residents, and immediately halt important development within 5 miles of the lake – stalling road and utility improvements, business growth, and residential construction.
The judge’s ruling – which is not rooted in the best available science – would not significantly help the lake reach the court’s desired water level, and would likely set a new statewide precedent imposing similar burdens and restrictions on residents, businesses, and communities across Minnesota.
“The DNR is strongly committed to protecting Minnesota’s many precious water resources, including White Bear Lake and its surrounding aquifers. We take that responsibility very seriously,” said DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr. “But responsible, effective water management must be supported by sound science. The decisions we make must balance the needs of all Minnesota residents and businesses to ensure everyone has reliable access to clean, affordable water. That important balance, and the quality of life we all enjoy, are at stake in this ruling, which merits a thorough review by the Minnesota Court of Appeals.”
Under the District Court’s ruling, if water levels remain below 923.5 feet above sea level in White Bear Lake, new irrigation and development restrictions would be imposed on area residents and businesses. DNR data show, however, that White Bear Lake’s water levels have registered below this proposed 923.5-foot trigger level in 48 out of the past 58 years. And according to the best available science, the DNR has concluded these new restrictions would have little impact on raising or maintaining the court’s desired water levels in White Bear Lake.
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Discuss below - to view set the hook here.

I wouldn't let length or hp determine that, just the wind. I saw a boat that lost a rivet this last year and have heard about a weld cracking out there. The wind is no joke out there and any boat can take a hit. If it is really windy I just swing into Kabekona Bay. Otherwise, just count on it taking a while to get out to spots.

I do, never thought about it. I will ask my buddy and I will have to work on blind retrieves. I never have done blind retrieves with Finn. I will have learn up on it now. If you have any tips or tricks it would help. Thank you Dave

Didn't catch a ton of fish this weekend but the ones we got were beauties. Just a bunch 15-17 inch fish with a 25" mixed in there. Last 2 days have been tough after the storm Sunday night. Marking tons of fish still and getting a good amount of bites on both spinners and lindys but most are biting short and tough to hook on the big minnows. Don't really want to throw on a stinger hook but that might be the way to go. Maybe should try pulling some cranks too.
Looks like the rest of the week should be stable weather and good fishing!

Water temps are hovering in the low 60’s despite the very fall like weather we are experiencing.

The scenic Canadian shore lines are coming to life with various critters. Otter, bear and more making preparations for the coming winter.

Walleye fishing in Canada is excellent with a jig and minnow or shiner. The most productive environment has been gaps at 15-18’ with plenty of current present. Good numbers of perch are being caught off deep edges or reefs at 30’ or more. Crappies are a little more difficult this week, the best chances are on a light set up.

Around Minnesota, walleyes can still be had with a crankbait but favored methods are switching over to a jig tipped with a shiner on main lake points between 20 and 24’.

Muskies are moving deeper with anglers transitioning from casting to trolling. There is still time to boat a big fall fish!

Im not a waterfowl guy and dont do a lot of it. But isn't that why you retriever guys do blind retrieves?
My GSP's dont always mark down birds either and I just send them with hand signals. I think its just something we have worked on over time.
Do you know anyone that has access to a zinger winger launcher etc. That's about the only other way to replicate it with out doing the real thing.

Thanks Dave this seemed to help with grouse, woodcocks,and ducks.
How does a guy get a dog to stay focused on the sky watching for birds? Finn did great at sitting or laying down for ducks but he does not watch for them so he does not mark the birds then. Any ideas to get him to do this?