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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Besides a few players here and there, I don't think the drafting's been too great since 08/09. Just my opinion, I know some will disagree. Obviously there's been injuries too and the whole Kindle situation as well. I'd like to see them really get back to playing elite defense. That may be Joe's biggest advantage if we plan on keeping him. Just me though.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Alex Smith is trash that Jim Harbaugh made into something vaguely resembling treasure. He's not an upgrade over Flacco at all.

Seriously, there are no FA QBs who are an upgrade over Flacco. Smith? Vick??? Jason Campbell???? No thanks...

Now, here's a thought: if the Seahawks want to cut bait with Matt Flynn and we can pry a new OC off the Packers' coaching staff, like their QB coach Ben McAdoo, or possibly Karl Dorrell out of Houston (as they run a similar WCO), then Matt Flynn might be the best trade bait.

He didn't say he was. His point goes back to Flacco believing he is elite. How many resources do you devote to a player that is not capable of putting the team on his shoulders consistently enough to win without having a team stacked with talent? Do you break the bank for an average player and risk losing talent elsewhere or do you find another cheaper but less effective average player and keep the talent in other spots? That's the question. I don't know how valid it is but you have to consider it.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Haloti can't do much when he's surrounded by undrafted players and Terrence Cody. Suggs will be back strong next year, and will hopefully get healthy.

I read somewhere that if he doesn't get the surgery to repair the biceps, it will never heal 100%.

If that is true, they need to just sit him for the rest of the season and let him heal up.

Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

Given our recent (2-3 years) draft history, I am not optimistic we can put together the kind of draft we so desperately need.

I think we need to maybe consider pulling a move like Atlanta did to move up the draft when they took Jones. Only in our case use the pick to address Oline or Dline. In either case your your gonna have to address most your needs via the draft. If you cant draft well your doomed anyway

I would at least entertain the possibility if the kind of impact guy you need can be had. There really is not much at the QB position this year unless you get lucky along the lines of Russell Wilson.

“A linebacker's job is to knock out running backs, to knock out receivers, to chase the football,”
-Ray Lewis

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

I think we need to maybe consider pulling a move like Atlanta did to move up the draft when they took Jones. Only in our case use the pick to address Oline or Dline. In either case your your gonna have to address most your needs via the draft. If you cant draft well your doomed anyway

I would at least entertain the possibility if the kind of impact guy you need can be had. There really is not much at the QB position this year unless you get lucky along the lines of Russell Wilson.

Teams do that when they are a few pieces away. My fear is the Ravens are a lot farther then a few pieces away. We've got positions that have been ignored for years that still need to be addressed and now we've got a bunch of vets in other positions that are on the way out. We need A LOT.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Literally, Pitta and Art Jones are the only saving grace from that draft and when I go back and look at the boards when they took guys like Cody, Dickson, and Reed it really makes me question who the hell is scouting and putting these big boards together.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Literally, Pitta and Art Jones are the only saving grace from that draft and when I go back and look at the boards when they took guys like Cody, Dickson, and Reed it really makes me question who the hell is scouting and putting these big boards together.

I get that every draft is a crap shoot...but that is A LOT of pro-bowl caliber talent they passed over.

Glaringly bad. I like Pitt and Jones is coming around, but nobody would mistake those 2 for being impact guys.

I get frustrated every time I look at that draft.

I think the turnover in our front office is largely to blame...we've lost a lot of scouts over the years.

Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Regarding QB's in this coming draft...no one really jumps out at you after Geno Smith.

I think Matt Barkley is pretty overrated and I'm not real sold on Tyler Wilson either.

IMO, Aaron Murray could be an interesting possiblity in the 3rd/4th/5th rounds. He's on the smaller side (6'1" 211lbs), but he's intelligence and very accurate. His game reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

The more i take everything in account the more i think signing Terrance Knighton would be a good idea, would put less pressure on our draft to get a DT/NT that can play right away and we could focus more in on LT, ILB, FS early. Maybe somnething like 1. Eric Fisher 2. Arthur Brown 3. Baccari Rambo, that would be a strong start to the draft imo.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Originally Posted by Carey

The more i take everything in account the more i think signing Terrance Knighton would be a good idea, would put less pressure on our draft to get a DT/NT that can play right away and we could focus more in on LT, ILB, FS early. Maybe somnething like 1. Eric Fisher 2. Arthur Brown 3. Baccari Rambo, that would be a strong start to the draft imo.

I'd rather go after Dorsey from the Chiefs. Former first rounder that hasn't lived up to what they wanted, coming off a injury AND it seems like the team has moved on. BUT his career stats have been decent, looks to be someone who could replace what Redding brought us.

Pick up Bushrod at LT.

And go into the draft using high draft picks on a DT, than a MLB and a FS.

Edit: Best part, they're both from the area. Bushrod stayed and wen't to Towson while Dorsey went to LSU. Maybe some hometown play for a contender discounts might fall in.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Alex Smith is trash that Jim Harbaugh made into something vaguely resembling treasure. He's not an upgrade over Flacco at all.

Seriously, there are no FA QBs who are an upgrade over Flacco. Smith? Vick??? Jason Campbell???? No thanks...

Now, here's a thought: if the Seahawks want to cut bait with Matt Flynn and we can pry a new OC off the Packers' coaching staff, like their QB coach Ben McAdoo, or possibly Karl Dorrell out of Houston (as they run a similar WCO), then Matt Flynn might be the best trade bait.

Completely agree with this. We could probably get him for almost nothing considering his cap number is 7.25m and they would still have to pay him 2m in guaranteed money if they cut him.

It's apparent now more than ever that Flacco is a GAME MANAGER. If you pay him big bucks you won't be able to afford the pieces he needs to be successful.

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

I think this team is going to draft a QB in 2013. They really HAVE to, since Tyrod doesn't seem to have an NFL future and they need to open up their options at the QB position.

My favorite QB in the 2013 draft... well, there are a few I like. But here's a kid I've been watching a lot of tape on lately that I think has more of a chance at an NFL future than either Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

His name is Zac Dysert out of Miami of Ohio, he goes 6'4 228 with a good (not great) arm, good athleticism, and all the fundamentals and mental acuity in the world. Miami OH has a horrible team with virtually no NFL talent, but they let this kid run a spread offense with NFL-style reads. He's going to have a big learning curve in the NFL in terms of footwork and timing and needs to clean up his mechanics a bit but I think he's a really good fit for the WCO. His mobility and ability to create plays inside and outside of the pocket might remind you of another Miami OH QB who's done okay in the NFL.

Take a look at this tape vs. OSU (which has a number of future NFL players on defense):

Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I'd rather go after Dorsey from the Chiefs. Former first rounder that hasn't lived up to what they wanted, coming off a injury AND it seems like the team has moved on. BUT his career stats have been decent, looks to be someone who could replace what Redding brought us.

Pick up Bushrod at LT.

And go into the draft using high draft picks on a DT, than a MLB and a FS.

Edit: Best part, they're both from the area. Bushrod stayed and wen't to Towson while Dorsey went to LSU. Maybe some hometown play for a contender discounts might fall in.

I Disagree on Dorsey and Bushrod would cost a pretty penny, Saints arent just gonna let their LT walk on the cheap