Clone Tools

For want of a better word, I'm making this section to nominate the deletion/merging of a bunch of pages, as mentioned in the toa hagah tools discussion. I figured instead of making a yes/no votes section, we could just have a running tally of each group of pages we want to condense. If you think of another set of pages you want to nominate, just add it as a subsection here and we can all vote.

Rahkshi Staffs

Make Rahkshi Staffs

No these tools don't contain a Rahkshi's power, but they still are a very notable weapon deserving a page.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:17, 19 July 2017 (CET)

Though they do not contain powers, and while there might not be much information on them, we have tons of tool pages with less information. It's still a tool, even without the power. --~Wolk (talk) 07:41, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Don't make Bohrok Shields

if the rakhshi staffs are an extension of their power, then the bohrok shields certainly are as well. for one thing, the staffs were something that they held in their hands and could be put down, but i don't think we've ever seen a bohrok put its shields down. afaiknew, they were part of the bohrok themselves, and not a separate tool. anyway, i don't think we need a page for these, we can just have a section on the bohrok article for them.

Nothing that would belong on a page for the bohrok shields would be out-of-place on the bohrok pages. Maybe just a redirect link to their powers section would be the way to go. --Snaptor (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2017 (CET)

Don't make Bohrok-Kal Shields

I feel it would belong on the same page as the regular Bohrok Shields. --WOLKsite (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2017 (CET)

same argument as the bohrok shields above from me - and if we were to create that page, i don't think the kal shields are special enough to warrant their own page - perhaps a section of the regular bohrok shields page, if anything. ideally, there would just be a section for them on the bohrok kal page. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2017 (CET)

What you're suggesting with these nominations could snowball into the elimination of all tool pages. -- Toa JalaConverse 15:45, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

The Piraka weapons are individuals enough to deserve their own pages. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 14:16, 30 June 2017 (CET)

The Shark Tooth Blades and Tri-talons have enough info on them to merit pages of their own, but I think that one for the Twin Knives is unneeded. I also like the suggestion of having both the normal and Kal shields on the same page, but for now let's keep the voting options apart. Lastly, I don't think that a page for the Va's tools is needed, simply because they don't already have pages of their own but are mentioned in the abilities and traits sections of their respective Bohrok, so they are fine like this. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)

Pahrak Va have the same hammers as Turaga Onewa, the Tahnok Va have firestaffs like Turaga Vakama. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 15:49, 30 June 2017 (CET)

One more reason to get rid of the 7 Rahkshi staffs that answer claims that the shape of the staff doesn't matter, they are just the focus.[1] So Guurahk's and the Rahkshi of Heat Vision's staff are the same weapon, but being held by another Rahkshi. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 17:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)

It seems like batching clone weapons on a single page would be better organization, but will character pages have any info for tools or will all the info be on the list of clone weapons? Also, in the case of say, Takadox's Twin Knives, where his weapon would be merged with his character page, does anybody think it excessive to have a page batching the Barraki tools together even though they are not clone tools?--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Do we have any other clone tools? — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 12:10, 8 July 2017 (CET)

Bohrok Va still need to be voted on. I'll make the section.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2017 (CET)

Oops. Didn't realize it was already decided. And no, I suppose they don't have staffs, I guess I was just thinking about Tahnok Va when I did that.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2017 (CET)

Regarding the talk around bohrok shields being an extension of their power, I believe I recall Greg.F confirming somewhere that the bohrok shields are actual shields that are held by the bohrok, as opposed to part of their anatomy/design. So in other words, a toa could hold one without difficulty, although whether or not they could use it I can't remember. I'm not sure where I stand on the question, but I thought it was worth bringing up. Snaptor (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2017 (CET)

Do you have a source for this? that would pretty much settle it. but i still don't think we should make a separate page for them, since we've never seen the shields out of context with the bohrok. they've always been seen with a borhok, regardless if they're part of their "anatomy" or not. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2017 (CET)

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the source, but the problem with intensively reading through all the old archives is that it's hard to remember exactly where you read what. I think it was somewhere in the original "Official Greg Discussion Topic" from around 2002/2003, so it may have been contradicted later anyway. In any case, I agree with your point that we have never seen a bohrok without it's shield, or vice versa, so it's not hugely important either way. I feel it's similar to how Cahdok & Gahdok are separate beings, but are on the same page because nothing that's relevant to one isn't also relevant to the other.Snaptor (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2017 (CET)

The BEU lists the Bohrok Shields as separate weapons from the Bohrok. " [Element] Shield: Tool carried by the [respective Bohrok]. [next line defines how the shield channels the Bohrok's powers]" and Greg once said that the Rahkshi staffs are not the extension of their powers so a Guurakh could use its powers through a Panrakh's staff. See the Greg answer below. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 01:51, 24 September 2017 (CET)

"3. Does a piece of power reside within the Rahkshi themselves or is all their power in their staffs? For example, say Turahk and Guurahk switch staffs, would Turahk have the power of disintegration, or would it do nothing? "" No, the staffs are just to focus the power, like the Toa's tools are."— reptilia28 to GregF, Official Greg Discussion May 19 2003, 11:29 AM

If that's the case, then can we really make a page called "Staff of Fear" (for example) if any rahkshi can use it? The fact that the staffs essentially have no power apart from channeling the natural abilities of the rahkshi wielding them only seems to reinforce that a page for them would be rather pointless. --Snaptor (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2017 (CET)

That's why I wanna make a page called "Rahkshi Staffs" which includes the six versions of the staffs could be carried by the Rahkshi. As long as the statement above is true (And Farshtey wrote it, so it is) Guurakh's and the 2010 Rahskshi's staff are the same, only the power of the Rahkshi who's wielding it is different.(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Surel-nuva)

Added a section for three of the Phantoka/Mistika Makuta weapons which we know very little about. I purposefully left Icarax's Rotating Shadow Blades absent from the list because there is more information on them than the other three. --Snaptor (talk) 01:04, 25 September 2017 (CET)

I have found that the article "The Shadow Realm" has been nominated for deletion, but there is no voting on this page for it. Note that I was not the nominator. TessilnTheMaskMaker (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me. For the page is a useless redirect, I nominated a ton of these and they were deleted as well. This one must have been left unnoticed. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 22:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Kanohi Nuva Pages

No, this is NOT a nomination to delete the Kanohi Nuva page. The proposition is that we merge the various Kanohi Nuva pages (such as Hau Nuva) with their respective mask pages. It's not like we have distinct pages for the Noble Kanohi, so it seems odd that we do for the Nuva. We can just detail the Nuva masks in the same way we distinguish the great/noble masks on their respective pages. It would be a lot less confusing, in my opinion, but thoughts? --Snaptor(talk) 01:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge the Kanohi Nuva pages with their respective mask pages

I agree on this, it's just a different variation of the same mask. ~Wolk (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I also agree with this. we should make infobox tabs for each version of the mask that we have though, like nuva, great, noble, etc. Intelligence4 (talk) 06:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Don't merge the Kanohi Nuva pages

I think merging the two creates the confusion that Kanohi Nuva are a direct upgrade to Great Masks when Noble Kanohi Nuva could theoretically exist. ~Mattym

Keep them as separate pages, the kanohi Nuva powers are slightly different than the normal ones, and the Noble Kanohi Nuva theoretically would be slightly different than the normal noble masks. — Surel—Nuva(Talk) 09:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

--Devalius (talk) 22:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC) I'd say merging the pages may make it a bit more difficult to find the specific information someone is looking for.

Kanohi Nuva are all distinct Kanohi with unique abilities the other Kanohi do not have; they are similar, but not the same, and more importantly we have concrete examples of differences for most of them. Matkerzah’s logic makes sense here. ToaNidhiki05 18:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with TN05, the Kanohi Nuva are not necessarily direct upgrades of Great Masks, as some have additional powers. They also have different titles (i.e., Kanohi Nuva Mask of Shielding), which would complicate a merger of the pages. -- Toa JalaConverse 01:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

If we merge the pages, which i think is something we should do, i think we should retain all the content as is on the pages; just move it over to the current page. obviously duplicate content isn't necessary, but other than that we should try to preserve as much as possible. infobox tabs would be helpful as well to distinguish between various forms of the masks, including any noble forms we might have. for the hau, for example, we could put an image of lhikan's mask, but for the kaukau, we don't have an image of the noble version of that, so idk if we should just have a blank infobox tab image, or...? Intelligence4 (talk) 06:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I suppose Kanohi Nuva differ from Kanohi the way Krana-Kal differ from Krana. Kanohi Nuva can aferall exist both as Great and Noble, like regular Kanohi, so I suppose in that sense, they are different. However on the other hand, if they are divided because their powers differ, (this is not a suggestion,) shouldn't Noble and Great Kanohi be split as well? ~Wolk (talk) 12:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

No, Great and Noble are different variations of the same masks. A Kanohi Nuva has different powers and is made for a specific class of being. Also, is there a source saying that Nuva masks can exist in Noble form? It would make a great addition to the Kanohi Nuva's trivia section. -- Toa JalaConverse 15:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

reception

G2 Elements

So as we know, the G2 ended, and all of the G2 elements are listed on one page, because they don't need individual pages. I think we should delete the "G2 >element name<" pages and restore the G1 elements to the original pages. So the Fire wouldn't be a disambig page. We might put up the disambig sing at the top of the page, id somebody is searching for the G2 elements.

Delete G2 redirects and restore the G1 elements to their original pages

I don't think we have enough info on the G2 elements to have a disambig page for the 8 elements. A mention on the main/G1 elements would be enough, for all the 8 would redirect into the G2 elements page.— Surel—Nuva(Talk) 08:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

^ditto --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 16:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

This makes sense to me given how little is known about G2 elements. ToaNidhiki05 18:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)