okay so i've been playing a couple years and am pretty comfortable, but i never bothered learning all my scales and keys.

Just a couple really quick questions

1. For whatever key I play in, will the available chord movements be exactly the same?
ie. if i'm playing in Bm and go from Bm to A to G etc
Does that mean if i play in Am, i simply go from Am to G to F.

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okay so i've been playing a couple years and am pretty comfortable, but i never bothered learning all my scales and keys.

Just a couple really quick questions

1. For whatever key I play in, will the available chord movements be exactly the same?
ie. if i'm playing in Bm and go from Bm to A to G etc
Does that mean if i play in Am, i simply go from Am to G to F.

Somewhat depends what your trying to do. If those are actually the correct chords for the keys basically yes it's like using a capo.

You'll see singers change keys like this as they get older and loose some vocal range.

As far as how they are structured, that is correct. If you learn how a major key is made with intervals, then you can build whatever key you want by changing the root note. A major key has 7 diatonic chords, and their structure stays the same as well.

I mean, do you only have to learn one? Well there's only two, major and minor. From there you refer to the tonal center to determine the exact notes. If this doesn't make sense, what do you think a key is?

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okay so i've been playing a couple years and am pretty comfortable, but i never bothered learning all my scales and keys.

Just a couple really quick questions

1. For whatever key I play in, will the available chord movements be exactly the same?
ie. if i'm playing in Bm and go from Bm to A to G etc
Does that mean if i play in Am, i simply go from Am to G to F.

a key in western music is some derived interval pattern based on 12 unique notes. most keys are based on diatonic scales (some permutation on whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half step sequence). there are plenty of other ways of going about 'deriving' scales, like strictly interval based (diminished or augmented scales) or maximizing particular intervals (melodic/harmonic minor) or just picking strong sounding notes of the diatonic (pentatonic), etc

how you apply scales (like those diatonic scales) can be very firmly based in certain relationships, like you can use Am->G maj->F maj (though you could also use Am -> Em -> Dm and many others) to play in Am. this is known as 'serial music' or 'serial composition', to base your music off of very concrete musical relationship and to never deviate from these known relationships.

there is also more abstract music techniques. for example, play A maj -> D maj -> E maj and solo over it in A minor. that is pretty much a A maj progression, and you can solo over it in A minor if done properly.

you want a more abstract one? play a A maj 7 chord to a G maj 7 chord, you can solo over that in E maj or A maj. now play an A dominate 7 to G dominate 7, you can still solo over it in the same keys. why? just figured it out one day (i kinda know, but it is not based on serial ideas)

it is best to start serially to have some grounded knowledge in what you're doing. learn how to derive all the basic 1->3->5 chords in A minor, there will pretty much be 7 of them:
-A min
-B dim (B, D, and F)
-C maj
-D min
-E min
-F maj
-G maj

figure out how i did that. then start doing it for other keys. then start writing songs with that. then start finding out how to break these rules.

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a key in western music is some derived interval pattern based on 12 unique notes. most keys are based on diatonic scales (some permutation on whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half step sequence). there are plenty of other ways of going about 'deriving' scales, like strictly interval based (diminished or augmented scales) or maximizing particular intervals (melodic/harmonic minor) or just picking strong sounding notes of the diatonic (pentatonic), etc

"most keys"? there are only two types of keys. the fact that you think permutations of WWHWWWH are involved is pretty indicative of the fact that you don't own this information very well.

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how you apply scales (like those diatonic scales) can be very firmly based in certain relationships, like you can use Am->G maj->F maj (though you could also use Am -> Em -> Dm and many others) to play in Am. this is known as 'serial music' or 'serial composition', to base your music off of very concrete musical relationship and to never deviate from these known relationships.

there's a lot more to the concept of serialism that needs to be stated, because what you've given is a gross oversimplification. and even if we were to get into that, TS doesn't even know what a key is, and you want to tell him about serialism? i understand you want to sound smart, but you should have a good grasp on the information you're trying to impart, and, frankly, i'm not seeing that.

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there is also more abstract music techniques. for example, play A maj -> D maj -> E maj and solo over it in A minor. that is pretty much a A maj progression, and you can solo over it in A minor if done properly.

you'd still be soloing over it in A major. it would never be in A minor. you should stop thinking in scales and start thinking in keys. first, it allows you to see the bigger picture (which, put simply, is needlessly and excruciatingly difficult if you think in scales), and secondly, we're discussing keys here, not scales.

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you want a more abstract one? play a A maj 7 chord to a G maj 7 chord, you can solo over that in E maj or A maj. now play an A dominate 7 to G dominate 7, you can still solo over it in the same keys. why? just figured it out one day (i kinda* know, but it is not based on serial ideas)

this paragraph right here makes it completely evident that you yourself aren't even fully aware of keys. if you're going to try to tell me that A7 - G7 (even Amaj7 - Gmaj7, for that matter) is somehow in the key of E major (or even related to E major), you just don't know what you're talking about. in both cases they'd be extremely likely to be in the key of A major.

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it is best to start serially to have some grounded knowledge in what you're doing. learn how to derive all the basic 1->3->5 chords in A minor, there will pretty much be 7 of them:
-A min
-B dim (B, D, and F)
-C maj
-D min
-E min
-F maj
-G maj

figure out how i did that. then start doing it for other keys. then start writing songs with that. then start finding out how to break these rules.

what happened to Emaj and Gš? again, there's a lot more that needs to be covered that TS isn't ready for...yet.

what TS needs is experience, not tips, tricks, and formulae from people who try to use them as a substitute for experience. TS, you need to buckle down and study theory. it's not the kind of thing you'll be able to slight. the more effort you put into it, the better you'll be. if you don't put in the effort, then you're going to have a stilted knowledge of these concepts (if any knowledge at all).

being wrong and inviting others to join you in wrongville is no good either

if you actually make posts with correct information, people will agree with you

if you learn from this, your anus won't need a baby brother again

this is how things work in life. there's no excuse for being wrong, and there's no excuse for teaching others wrong information. if you knew what the hell you were talking about, i absolutely would have agreed with you. i don't care about tearing you down -- doing that is a waste of my time. i already know my shit. TS doesn't, and i'm saving him a lot of time an effort by giving him methods that will get him better results..

if you want to sit here and bitch about me tearing you down rather than accept the possibility that you might be wrong and have much to improve on, it might be why you have wrong information in the first place, or why you don't have the results you're looking for.

As far as how they are structured, that is correct. If you learn how a major key is made with intervals, then you can build whatever key you want by changing the root note. A major key has 7 diatonic chords, and their structure stays the same as well.

I agree here. I have some Knowlege and schooling and if you are playing in the key of Am which is the same as C except using minors than I think you dont want to change structures. Does that Help?

I agree here. I have some Knowlege and schooling and if you are playing in the key of Am which is the same as C except using minors than I think you dont want to change structures. Does that Help?

Well A minor and C major share a key signature (of 'no sharps or flats'), but some forms of the A minor scale (harmonic and ascending melodic) have accidentals (F#, G#) that aren't part of the C major scale.

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oh shut up with that /mu/ bullshit. fidget house shouldn't even be a genre, why in the world would it deserve its own subgenres you twat