As you mentioned before, you consider brother alliances to be subs. I respect your every opinion and statement thus far but I would like to make one last attempt to explain why we are not a sub.

Firstly, a sub is officiated by the main alliance, usually having a similar tag ( Example: LOVE and L0VE) They tend to work closely together and the main gets the win while the sub is stuck with whatever it can get below. Subs are often viewed as a despicable concept that makes no sense except in eras with small alliance sizes. To summarize, a sub has a main P:

Secondly, if a sub has a main then JOYN should have a main if we are a sub. We have no main, you can ask the alliance you perceive to be our main if we are a sub, they will tell you otherwise. A main would not be afraid to defend their sub and say that they are owned by the main. So if you ask NN leader, we are not their sub, just allies lucky enough to be friends and not dead.

Thirdly, subs usually take orders from the main. JOYN members are worse than spartans lol We're all impatient hot heads that don't like waiting. How can we take orders from NN or any other alliance? The only player I listen to is our leader, not even other members.

In conclusion, I'd like to thank you for the time you would have spent reading this and I hope you reconsider and understand we are not a sub, simply because we aren't able to be one.

As you mentioned before, you consider brother alliances to be subs. I respect your every opinion and statement thus far but I would like to make one last attempt to explain why we are not a sub.

Firstly, a sub is officiated by the main alliance, usually having a similar tag ( Example: LOVE and L0VE) They tend to work closely together and the main gets the win while the sub is stuck with whatever it can get below. Subs are often viewed as a despicable concept that makes no sense except in eras with small alliance sizes. To summarize, a sub has a main P:

Secondly, if a sub has a main then JOYN should have a main if we are a sub. We have no main, you can ask the alliance you perceive to be our main if we are a sub, they will tell you otherwise. A main would not be afraid to defend their sub and say that they are owned by the main. So if you ask NN leader, we are not their sub, just allies lucky enough to be friends and not dead.

Thirdly, subs usually take orders from the main. JOYN members are worse than spartans lol We're all impatient hot heads that don't like waiting. How can we take orders from NN or any other alliance? The only player I listen to is our leader, not even other members.

In conclusion, I'd like to thank you for the time you would have spent reading this and I hope you reconsider and understand we are not a sub, simply because we aren't able to be one.

~joes9987

The real question is not so much about orders or interest - it seems (from my perspective, curious about how Dw and ALEX interacted with JOYN) that JOYN is protected by NN, aiding NN in war and not pursuing a victory themselves.

If that is not the case and you could perhaps back it up a bit it would help hugely