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Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Let the enlisted people aboard ship decide........Mullin is clueless......He does not have the same hardship and E1 thru E6 has.........He has his own stateroom and shower.............Not the same for enlisted personnel..

Well, gee. You weren't slamming him like this before when you posted this:

Like I said, did you see the reaction of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when Obama made that statement?

Post number 180 in this thread. So, tell me, do you think the reaction of the joint chiefs at the Obama speech is still what you thought it was? Or do you believe they are not now worth using to prop up your argument, when you clearly used them to prop up your argument before today? Or could it be that they can only be used to prop up your arguments as long as they appear to be on your side during a discussion, and conveniently discarded when they don't? It appears you want it both ways here.

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Let the enlisted people aboard ship decide........Mullin is clueless......He does not have the same hardship and E1 thru E6 has.........He has his own stateroom and shower.............Not the same for enlisted personnel..

Enlisted serviceman's job is not to make decisions about the Military as a whole, their job is to do what is asked of them.

Of all people who should be mistaken of military roles...

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Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

I have no problems with gays being allowed to serve openly as long as they get no special treatment. Which is how it was supposed to be with women but that is not exactly the way it happend. The biggest problem I see with gays being in is that gay jokes are a pretty common past time with soldiers, with combat arms guys atleast. I mean think of all the slang that is used such as co&^holster for your mouth and I coudnt even count how many times I have called and been called dudes on my team fags or homos. I woud just hate to see tons of new harrassment cases poping up. Right or wrong what that does is distract the Army from fighting and training to fight wars. As long as gays are willing to be thick skinned like all the other combat arms guys need to be that I welcome them.

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Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

Don't worry it seems that from my experience most gay men have an excellent sense of humour. If anything I would be more concerned that guy soldiers would up the anty on crude homosexual humour. Gay guys, seem to love making references to penises, arses and semen (or is it seamen? ).

Besides if DADT exists within the U.S forces, it is more than likely that the c*ck holster slang for ones mouth, originated from a gay soldier. Probably a lot of the homosexual jokes stem from DADT homosexuals serving in the military!

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian

Don't worry it seems that from my experience most gay men have an excellent sense of humour. If anything I would be more concerned that guy soldiers would up the anty on crude homosexual humour. Gay guys, seem to love making references to penises, arses and semen (or is it seamen? ).

I would think that if a gay or lesbian person joins the military, then they likely have some idea of what they're getting into, so most of the ones that do join would probably be pretty easy going about stuff like that.

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Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

Originally Posted by braindrain

I have no problems with gays being allowed to serve openly as long as they get no special treatment. Which is how it was supposed to be with women but that is not exactly the way it happend. The biggest problem I see with gays being in is that gay jokes are a pretty common past time with soldiers, with combat arms guys atleast. I mean think of all the slang that is used such as co&^holster for your mouth and I coudnt even count how many times I have called and been called dudes on my team fags or homos. I woud just hate to see tons of new harrassment cases poping up. Right or wrong what that does is distract the Army from fighting and training to fight wars. As long as gays are willing to be thick skinned like all the other combat arms guys need to be that I welcome them.

How prominent are racial jokes and slurs? If they're as prominent as homosexual jokes and slurs, it probably wouldn't be a problem.

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

If opposite sex attraction challenged people are openly allowed in the military, I think there should be some changes in the lodging set-up. Everyone should get their own room when able.

Additionally some other rules should be changed: right now in some bases in southwest Asia, where thousands of military people are there on temporary duty assignments, it is basically a crime for a man to be in a woman’s room or vice versa. This is to prevent potential sexual relations from occurring, however, for opposite sex attraction challenged people there are no such restrictions.

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

I hate to burst your bubble for all you "Feel good libs" that want DADT overturned but DADT won't be settled for a couple years and even with all the dems in the congress today they are way short of the votes needed to overturn it and by November it will be much worse because according to polls the GOP is expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the congress........I just heard this on CBS news hardly a bastion for conservative issues.............

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

]If opposite sex attraction challenged people are openly allowed in the military, I think there should be some changes in the lodging set-up. Everyone should get their own room when able. [/B]

Additionally some other rules should be changed: right now in some bases in southwest Asia, where thousands of military people are there on temporary duty assignments, it is basically a crime for a man to be in a woman’s room or vice versa. This is to prevent potential sexual relations from occurring, however, for opposite sex attraction challenged people there are no such restrictions.

Never happen aboard ship in the navy.......You live about a foot away from your shipmate...........

Re: Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

I agree. I do not think danarhea would ever post a article "Top military officer: don't ask don't tell should stay".

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