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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Considering I'm the one who directly asked him who was complaining/against going after Scola and Watson, I feel a bit responsible that he now finds himself banned. I still don't feel like he really produced anything from 2013 that supports his statement that there were people against it, but I don't think he was trolling either personally.

Sorry Joe, I didn't mean to seem like I was calling you out. You've always been one of my favorite posters and I could care less if you challenge him and have a debate with him. But then other posters started piling on and a molehill was turned into a mountain. I know that's not what you intended to happen though.

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Whoa whoa! You need to re-read the post I was answering. I was answering the idea of having to package OJ with Copeland or Mahinmi. NEVER did I say anything negative about Mahinmi's play. Now did I? This word hate is a label gernerically slapped on those that disagree with something or some player. Should I hate you for disagreeing with me? That's kinda silly now isn't it?

I like OJ plain and simple. IMO, he's a player going forward with in the future. I don't see Mahinmi as such. There is no guarrantee that the Pacers can re-sign Lance, but it's been proposed to jettison OJ in a trade. I voiced my opinion against it.

Well you implied by stating that you are not support of a guaranteed contract for Mahinmi. Currently there is alot more value for a backup 7'0 center who can defend at an elite level at 4 million than just another guard.

OJ is interesting and he could develop a better game, but you still need a solid backup center and it takes a while for bigs to develop.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Sorry Joe, I didn't mean to seem like I was calling you out. You've always been one of my favorite posters and I could care less if you challenge him and have a debate with him. But then other posters started piling on and a molehill was turned into a mountain. I know that's not what you intended to happen though.

With that said, I'd like to devote the rest of my post to the OP. I didn't get to watch anything but most of the last quarter. When I tuned in, the score was 69-67 I think and Scola's steal and score was the first or second play I saw. So I didn't even witness our bad 2nd quarter, I got to watch straight Pacers dominance

I was incredibly surprised when they took Scola out with 6 mins to go because of how well he was playing nad how little he had actually played so far, but when I saw that West was rebounding well I understood it. West always seems to have "power" games against big opponents. Even if his shot is off that night, normally he rebounds well or plays exceptionally great defense. He's probably our 1 guy who has a switch that he can just turn on when we need him.

And though I'm not sure it would ever happen, I think it would be interesting to throw George Hill and Paul George out there with a three big lineup and have West and Scola control the offense out of the high post. If you try and help out of that offense, you're going to give one of of our best scorers a shot in his favorite spot. You would , however have to make sure there's 1 guy out there you can hide either West or Scola on defensively. But I think that offense would be incredibly difficult to stop.

It looks like Deng and Paul George neutralized each other tonight. Paul looked so happy when he got to isolate on Derrick Rose. And impressively, he blew right by him.

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I dunno, I like Pulp a lot. He frustrates me sometime, but I would lvoe to keep him for as long as we can. I think he can develop into a very consistent backup 2, that can step in and start on the wing if necessary.

I agree completely. I think we will need him next year when we lose either Granger or Lance. He is still a bit too inconsistent right now to be a reliable scorer, but I think that could change if he focuses less on shooting. He is already good at getting to the line, which is why he has the third highest PPS on the team (1.421) only behind Sloan(1.5) and George(1.449) even though he has a lackluster eFG% (50%).

He is also a really good rebounder for his size, mostly because he puts more effort into it than most back-up SGs. At times he might try too hard, like last night when he tried to get a rebound over Hibbert. His defense also seems to be coming along quite well. Struggles a little getting around screens, but he is always putting in the necessary effort.

With that said, I'd like to devote the rest of my post to the OP. I didn't get to watch anything but most of the last quarter. When I tuned in, the score was 69-67 I think and Scola's steal and score was the first or second play I saw. So I didn't even witness our bad 2nd quarter, I got to watch straight Pacers dominance

I was incredibly surprised when they took Scola out with 6 mins to go because of how well he was playing nad how little he had actually played so far, but when I saw that West was rebounding well I understood it. West always seems to have "power" games against big opponents. Even if his shot is off that night, normally he rebounds well or plays exceptionally great defense. He's probably our 1 guy who has a switch that he can just turn on when we need him.

And though I'm not sure it would ever happen, I think it would be interesting to throw George Hill and Paul George out there with a three big lineup and have West and Scola control the offense out of the high post. If you try and help out of that offense, you're going to give one of of our best scorers a shot in his favorite spot. You would , however have to make sure there's 1 guy out there you can hide either West or Scola on. But I think that offense would be incredibly difficult to stop.

It looks like Deng and Paul George neutralized each other tonight. Paul looked so happy when he got to isolate on Derrick Rose. And impressively, he blew right by him.

Not that I believe in luck, or superstition, but I'm giving the game ball to you for turning on the game and the basketball gods smiling upon your eyes.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Considering I'm the one who directly asked him who was complaining/against going after Scola and Watson, I feel a bit responsible that he now finds himself banned. I still don't feel like he really produced anything from 2013 that supports his statement that there were people against it, but I don't think he was trolling either personally.

Yea, I really don't think he's a "troll." To me that suggests that he comes here just to irritate everyone. I think he comes here to "win."

I just think he can be annoying. And has a tendency to use strawman arguments.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Let me start with saying you share 1 or 2 to many ip addresses to many with vnzla to even come close to my comfort zone, but if there was a need (and there isn't) to justify MY infraction of vnzla then here are a few:

1) Belligerence, hostility, rudeness, abrasiveness and/or disrespect are not wanted here. Discuss without taking shots and without having an attitude or otherwise being unpleasant.
5) We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen.
Depending on the circumstances, if something strikes us as blatantly offensive or clearly an attempt to cause trouble on the forum, we will ban an account. It's a case by case situation; usually the ban is permanent, but sometimes it's temporary if we believe things can be worked out in the future.
10) We have a feedback board, and we generally prefer that to be used for the kinds of questions, comments, or concerns that are not "finger pointing" in nature.
In other words, if you want to call me out or call another admin out over a problem you have, please come to me or whomever with a private message instead of making a thread about it. Anything that might get emotional for you, me, or another admin needs to be done in private to show respect and consideration and to actually get things resolved instead of just making yourself feel better.
This doesn't always happen the right way (and sometimes that's on our end, by the way), and when it doesn't, it almost always ends badly or at the very least worse that it could have been if everyone had just kept the discussion private to begin with.

1 being the most important, the #1 rule of this board, the heart AND soul of this community and he has circumvented it enough, the "nice guy if you get to know him" is a 100% arse on these boards, and he is just as disruptive a character at the very least if not a lot worse than olblu ever was.

if you think I did this because of "ONE" post than you are so far out of your mind, it must hurt. I have warned enough, public and private, to make it 100% clear, enough is enough.
the 30 days is not just the 30 days, there will be some harsh discussion among admins and with vnzla (if he's not too stupid to try and post through a secondary account) if he is to be let back at all and IF he is, the leash will be so short it may be suffocating.

free speech ?? talk to GQHC or NSA but whatever the outcome, this is a private board and free speech is not really anymore free than what the admins decide to be free.

this post is a declaration of where things stand, not an invitation to discuss the matter, outside of the admins none of you are part of this discussion, see #10 above.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

5 game winning streak and no Odd Thoughts. Now we have an Odd Thoughts AND Vnzla has been banned. If we lose the next game it's gonna to be harder to figure out which thing threw Karma out of balance....

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I can't believe this thread. Vnzla a good poster on here, he keeps things lively and fresh. Many of you just can't stand to let somebody say something you don't agree with. You love to argue and be contentious just has much as him, then you wonder why he is so annoying to you. We got a handful of posters who literally have to respond to anything he says with condescending and dismissive remarks, egging him on and piling on your vitriol. Ridiculous over reach here. Alot of people have been plenty disrespectful to him over the same period of time and they're still posting.

I will support that Vnzla was right that he had been lobbying hard to get CJ Watson back in the 2011 FA. I was right there with him on that one. Watson had just got done helping to lead the Bulls to best record in the league that season with Rose missing so many games before his Injury in the Playoffs. I was plenty pissed when he signed with Brooklyn for less than a Million.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Let me start with saying you share 1 or 2 to many ip addresses to many with vnzla to even come close to my comfort zone

wut

I'm not sure what this part of the post was inferring, but I've met Vnzla before and I was in the Kelley School with Sollozzo (we actually had a class together though I'm not sure either of us knew at the time). I can say with some certainty they aren't the same person.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I'm not sure what this part of the post was inferring, but I've met Vnzla before and I was in the Kelley School with Sollozzo (we actually had a class together though I'm not sure either of us knew at the time). I can say with some certainty they aren't the same person.

They probably have the same ISP or use the same proxies then. They're both active users, so prolly every IP they've ever had has been logged.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Players Paul George is defending are shooting a whopping 0% from 3. 0 for 12. 13 for 50 overall. PG is holding opponents to .57 PPP, Watson to 30% from the field and .67 PPP, and Hibbert to .25 PPP in the post.

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

To the topic at hand - I posted it in the other thread, but the point of the game where I really said, "wow!" was when Paul George was one on one with Rose at the elbow, and Paul literally just beat him off the dribble to the basket. No fancy crossover to step back move, no head fake, nothing. He just picked a point and beat his man there. And his man happened to be MVP and all-star Derrick Rose. Our 6'10" small forward blew past him.

Also, I cheered more for Scola hustling to get back on defense than for his great steal and layup. Gotta love his focus and awareness.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I would like to pat myself on the back once again for been right in wanting to bring Scola and Watson here for a long time (yes I'm going to be doing it all year because I'm happy ) I would like to also say I told you so to those that didn't think it was a good idea to bring them here

Nice gif. You were indeed right that they would be good additions but to be honest I don't remember a lot of people disagreeing with you on that. I just remember people saying that we couldn't bring Scola because we had already re-signed Hill and Hibbert and thus we were unable to bid on him

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Solo Hill needs to sit. Although he hit a couple of shots against the Pistons, when he's out there he just gets in the way on offense and he seems to be in the wrong spots. I love that he has the ability to be a good player but now is not his time. I'd rather they play Rasual Butler if they have to play another wing in the 2nd quarter.

Solo rarely plays in the 2nd quarter. Most of his minutes come in the 1st quarter alongside the starters.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I'll say it now, I'll be extremely unhappy if OJ is traded, b/c Walsh signed Mahinmi to a guaranteed 4 year contract and had to sign Copeland this off season. I NEVER wanted Copeland and stated so. I was against the fully guaranteed contracts of Mahinmi and Green from day one.

If a package of players have to go in order to sign Lance, then let it be Mahinmi and Copeland.

Copeland is a Bird signing.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Players Paul George is defending are shooting a whopping 0% from 3. 0 for 12. 13 for 50 overall. PG is holding opponents to .57 PPP, Watson to 30% from the field and .67 PPP, and Hibbert to .25 PPP in the post.

Holy hell

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

He does have that tendency. I remember him trying to get rebounds that were secured by Roy and West last year and others that were secured by Lance this year

To his credit he almost did rebound it over Hibbert which is impressive at his height, but in that scenario he has to realize that if Hibbert, Mahinmi, or West is there just to let them get the rebound. That is something that can be easily coached out of him.