cowshrptrn wrote:the fact that this information could be an embarassment to the administration reallly makes the whole thing suspicious. Also, even the judges are questioning whether the government should be allowed to sieze the documents, so you know its not something that is blatantly dangerous.

Because a Judge is "Questioning" something, means squat! That's their job they question everything! Now if the Judge had a "Ruling" then it would mean something.

If the Document is "Classified" then it's a Crime to "Leak" it! pure & simple.

I had an argument with a NY times editor about something very similar to this recently. His reply was that the Gov't routinely "Over-Classifies" documents, yep thats right he said that, as if He has a Right to decide what is "Over-Classified" what a Pompous Ass He is!

The ACLU needs to change their name to the ICLU as in int'l civil liberties union because there's nothing American about them! They may have started out with good intentions, but they lost their way long ago.

Evil Semp wrote:Our country is that bad where you would move, but its not so bad that you will be willing to let our military of our country that sucks train you?

Aren't you glad you live in a country that lets you have those choices?

Skittles pleae tell me what is so bad in the good ole USA that you would want to move to another country?

The Netherlands are a good choice, Switzerland ain't bad.

It's not the country, it's the government. It went from a planned democracy to a representative republic to this cluster-fuck we've got now. It used to be that the Representatives did what the people told them to do, without worrying about political repercussions or soft money contributions. Nowadays anyone with the balls to stand up and say what needs to be said is left holding the bag. Take Murtha for example, he came out and said what every democrat voter wanted said, and then the Dems left him behind because he actually asked for change and for action.

The congress doesn't take action anymore, they don't do anything but attach nonsense to unrelated bills and increase their paygrades. Meanwhile they keep throwing money at the Military, hoping that it'll solve their recruiting and equipment problems while simultaneously slashing benefits for returning veterans. No one gets it up there, because they're all cynical functionaries who are so out of touch that I'm surprised they're still on this planet.

And I hate all of this "If you don't like this country, why don't you just leave" crap. People who say this have more in common with our enemies than they realize. This black-and-white, us-or-them, my-way-or-the-highway mentality is supposed to be reserved for zealots and fundamentalists. This used to be the country of pluralism, where the complainers were actually listened to rather than ignored and belittled. Nowadays it's all gung-ho, cowboy diplomacy and shit.

If you love this country so much, stop being so damn oppositionist. A mass exodus of people isn't going to solve the problems, it's only going to make them worse. Then all the moderates and the people with sense will be gone, and the only ones left are the psycho-nationalists who say 'Up with America and Down with everywhere else!' Then who's gonna be responsible for starting WWIII, hm? I'll give you a hint, it'll be a white guy with a cowboy hat and a shit-eating grin on his face.

vtmarik wrote: ...It used to be that the Representatives did what the people told them to do...

I think this was a very long time ago. Various things have popped up trying to sway representatives...political machines many years ago and now PACs. What is in store for the future? Democracy without people? :-\