The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.

The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.

what ever CCP does and does not do.. is at fault of its own community that allowed them to work this way.. so in all honesty... its your fault, my fault and new Eden's own fault.

I look at it like this..

yes! im paying ccp to watch them kill this game.. which they are not doing.. matter of fact.. eve online is one of the toughest mmo's out there in its own market.. some can handle the heat some can not... maybe you're the latter.. but to all of us hardcore fans that love to hate this game and stick around and see it burn.. I send out a salute to you all.

o7

the best ship is friendship.. that's what keeps us around.. remember that homeboy...

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

You are correct it does not matter with you or I think. It's also a matter of perspective, and some just feel the need to say something.

Like complaining on the forums really does any good, and the sparing of opinions doesn't either.

BTW, your stats don't have a time lag like the ops. Now if you would have posted the original comment, I would not have questioned where it was coming from.

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

The "Great Malaise"Gäó started in late 2014.

If Eve was still balls to the wall SOV would have been "fixed" by removing all SOV mechanics and letting the players sort it out.

The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.

The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.

LOL, This is so stupid I don't even know where to begin with this statement

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

>Whines about nefs

>Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever.

Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships

The reason i know this is because they only focus on Ship rebalance which is boring and they only do it to give the impression that somthing changes. Oh and they also tend to slip in a new skin or special edition ship here and then. Its pathetic. Please stop giving them money.

I am 6 months here, and simply loving it, I see only wonderful stuff here, and nothing to cry about. Thank God this is an exclusive game club where you actually have to pay so that you actually get some quality stuff in return.

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

I first played this game at 2004. Then somewhere between 2009-2017 I have stopped playing. Right now I have account open, but I cannot play longer than hour or so. It's just boring. There have been long periods where I haven't had a single active account. I have tried all different playstyles that I can imagine. Just not the game that it used to be even that it's much prettier than it was back then.

I would say that it's time to pull the plug and move on. Create a new game. Perhaps with better physics. The user interface is ok. I do not want to buy Ch fightersticks and stuff to command a space ship. I would love to see a EVE like game, but with realistic physics and deep immersion.

Right now the immersion level in this game is zero. Everything is known. There is no exploration since everything is known via different third party tools. But if you look at the big picture in our real universe, actually very little is known.

It was stupid to open up the data from the game. Third party tools are one major reasons why this game is so boring.

The lore is the reason why I still have open account. And the memories from the nullsec fights that do not exist anymore.

Posted - 2017.07.08 12:39:23 -
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They just need to come up with good ideas - like few years back when they introduced wormholes.

Citadels and other new structures was a big project, but they've slowed down the pace lately, focusing on other things like microtransactions, PLEX vault, mini injectors etc...

Null sec is the biggest wheel in the engine and they need to stir the water there...People have been suggesting all kind of things, like shifting valuable resources. Players should get out of their fortresses and actually fight for something. Too many assets, wallets full, little activity...I include myself, but imma do something about it soon when I have more free time.

No they don't, all this whining is just players who have zero patience or want get rich quick crap

Go pick a fight, build a huge corp / alliance go take on the big boys

stop whining about it

So every different opinion is now marked as a "whining". I guess you haven't seen one of those CCPlease threads...

"Build a huge corp" - you say it like it's a done deal, all the freelancers out there just waiting for the messiah. So tell me what's your big plan to do with the recruits? Splash like a fly on a windshield? Why haven't you done it already? I have. I have fought the big guys and it was fun, but with a 0 consequences. You cannot stir the ocean with a pebble. All you can do is tease. Or join another big alliance that still does not want to fight.

Don't get me wrong, I do not support what OP says - I hope the game flourishes and get more players. I have been playing it for years and will continue to do so, I just pointed out few topics which were problematic in my humble opinion. That's what the forums are for.

If what you're saying is CCP should not do anything, but observe, they shouldn't have touched the game since 2005 when they introduced capital ships, but they do. Wormholes, Fozziesov, mining changes, and many more that affected null and EVE in general.

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

>Whines about nefs

>Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever.

Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships

You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about and it definitely wasn't directed towards Mining ships. I've been an active member of this community since 6-2008 and I've seen most everything in this game get nerfed and placed on easy mode.

Hell, there's no more 'specialized' career paths available, ships and modules have been 're-balanced' so much that it's now become a continuous cycle of nerfs. Loot drop tables have been messed with for so long that they're almost nonexistent. ISK rewards from Agent missions have never been increased since their introduction into the game. Other aspects of the game have also been neglected due to CCP's constant cash grab with MT stuff.

It goes on and on, there's just way too many things to list and I've got much better things to do with my time.

1, from you stats, you don't spend much time on eve, so that means you haven't a clue of what CCP has done in all their updates.

2, from your stats, you have been around eve since 2004, so you do know about all the updates.

well, three things,

born in 2004, first forum post in 2012, you're an alt hiding behind a bitter vet, and it would be embarrassing for you to post with your real alt with such a comment.

either way, just to pick out one update, from all the updates that EVE has received, doesn't mean CCP has given up on EVE online.

Wow, how did you even come to that conclusion?

Well, you can look at my stats and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter what you, I or anybody else thinks.

However I am inclined to somewhat agree with the OP.

Within the past few years the Dev's haven't really done too much other than nerf the hell out of this game and milk the players for more money while trying to force players to do what they want, which is destroy everything, thus hopefully inciting players to spend even more money to replace what was destroyed.

DMC

>Whines about nefs

>Mining ships and ratting brings in more ISK than ever.

Ok rorquals have been scaled back down again but they are still superior to the old mining ships

You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about and it definitely wasn't directed towards Mining ships. I've been an active member of this community since 6-2008 and I've seen most everything in this game get nerfed and placed on easy mode.

Hell, there's no more 'specialized' career paths available, ships and modules have been 're-balanced' so much that it's now become a continuous cycle of nerfs. Loot drop tables have been messed with for so long that they're almost nonexistent. ISK rewards from Agent missions have never been increased since their introduction into the game. Other aspects of the game have also been neglected due to CCP's constant cash grab with MT stuff.

It goes on and on, there's just way too many things to list and I've got much better things to do with my time.

DMC

Unfortunately you are right. This is because CCP introduces bigger and bigger and bigger structures into the game and in order to afford and use them players need stability, not war. Improving simple missions PVE is obviously not part of CCP agenda, unfortunately, and providing new content to solo players neither. Equalizing the forces (aka nerfing) creates stability and is good for business and bad for quick fun. This game is becoming a political arena, simple pvp is still very possible and easy, but is no longer at the top of the food chain and the solo pvp'er roaming around new eden inflicting fear to large alliances looks like a joke.

The last step in this downfall spiral is selling out to EA. I just hope it won't happen.

No they don't, all this whining is just players who have zero patience or want get rich quick crap

The EVE community is probably the most patient community in the entire gaming industry.

For over a year people are complaining that citadels are too hard to remove and provide too much safety. Yesterday CCP has finally reacted to the criticism. Knowing from the past how fast CCP works, it will probably take several months until we see some real nerfs.

The Rorqual. CCP needed more than 6 months to balance it. Meanwhile mineral market crashed and goons built thousands of capitals.

Carrier ratting. Created a huge influx of extra ISK, up to 60 trillion per month. CCP needed 6 months to react.

Ghost farming. More than 6 months passed before CCP did somthing against it.

Posted - 2017.07.09 00:36:08 -
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It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve.

No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.

There are some things we know about such firms. Firstly, nobody ever gets sacked. No boss ever sacks a person for poor performance when the firm is for sale. There is no point. It is seen by everyone as an appeal to nobody. The current shareholders are jumping ship, why would any manager do something unpleasant to a worker for those guys? So, they don't.

So that means everyone can down tools, and it's cool. Management stop leading and retreat into their elite huddles, swapping important (not) gossip and guessing at the possible aspirations of the "new owners". Low level workers get "promotions" that involve doing their bosses work, but for no extra pay. All across middle management, folks invent special projects that take them out of the daily grind, and into gossip circles. The firm goes into autopilot.

This has absolutely happened in Eve. Nothing new has been done for a very long time, and none of the half baked efforts that were being hailed as the next big thing have come to pass.

But there is the thing: not all companies that are put up for sale get sold. In fact, a lot of companies put on the market by their owners never get sold. They just wither and die. This is because folks generally don't want to sell them if they are healthy and growing, and most everybody with enough money to buy a company of any size can afford a half way decent commercial attorney to tell them this well established truism. It is easy to shark children and young adults from sheltered backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to sell a turd to somebody with a spare 200 million in cash.

Eve is a special case because the owners are clearly a bit "special". They do things a special way (the Iceland Nobleman's Shark Pump?). So, instead of arranging the sale BEFORE talking about it, the owners decided that the thing to do was tell everyone and then search for buyers.

How is that working out for ya, fellas?

As I have said before, Eve subscription is cheap entertainment for anyone curious about how companies die.

I previously held out hope that some serious games company would buy the firm for the art assets and some of the lore, but now I think the smarter money would simply poach the better staff, and pay artists to recreate a similar aesthetic in another franchise. One with no baggage.

I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat.

No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.

There are some things we know about such firms. Firstly, nobody ever gets sacked. No boss ever sacks a person for poor performance when the firm is for sale. There is no point. It is seen by everyone as an appeal to nobody. The current shareholders are jumping ship, why would any manager do something unpleasant to a worker for those guys? So, they don't.

So that means everyone can down tools, and it's cool. Management stop leading and retreat into their elite huddles, swapping important (not) gossip and guessing at the possible aspirations of the "new owners". Low level workers get "promotions" that involve doing their bosses work, but for no extra pay. All across middle management, folks invent special projects that take them out of the daily grind, and into gossip circles. The firm goes into autopilot.

This has absolutely happened in Eve. Nothing new has been done for a very long time, and none of the half baked efforts that were being hailed as the next big thing have come to pass.

But there is the thing: not all companies that are put up for sale get sold. In fact, a lot of companies put on the market by their owners never get sold. They just wither and die. This is because folks generally don't want to sell them if they are healthy and growing, and most everybody with enough money to buy a company of any size can afford a half way decent commercial attorney to tell them this well established truism. It is easy to shark children and young adults from sheltered backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to sell a turd to somebody with a spare 200 million in cash.

Eve is a special case because the owners are clearly a bit "special". They do things a special way (the Iceland Nobleman's Shark Pump?). So, instead of arranging the sale BEFORE talking about it, the owners decided that the thing to do was tell everyone and then search for buyers.

How is that working out for ya, fellas?

As I have said before, Eve subscription is cheap entertainment for anyone curious about how companies die.

I previously held out hope that some serious games company would buy the firm for the art assets and some of the lore, but now I think the smarter money would simply poach the better staff, and pay artists to recreate a similar aesthetic in another franchise. One with no baggage.

I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat.

Posted - 2017.07.09 15:47:01 -
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The illegal friendly fire feature and the universal killrights features all need to be rolled back. Do that and it'll make the game fun again. It'll turn it back into a true sandbox. Those two things killed a LOT of the game. That and the refining and reprocessing penalties chased some people away.

The illegal friendly fire feature and the universal killrights features all need to be rolled back. Do that and it'll make the game fun again. It'll turn it back into a true sandbox. Those two things killed a LOT of the game. That and the refining and reprocessing penalties chased some people away.

By "the game" you mean high sec. It is not the game, it's a tutorial zone of a game.

Refining penalties= less ore= higher price. At least in theory, overbuffed rorquals and ratting (gun mining) kept the price low, or even made it fall despite the reprocessing nerf. It also takes weeks (or months) to clear old caches and for the price to stabilize. Industry people know it's a very long-term business so those who left would leave anyway or were not true indies.

I'm not sure. I can't find any good data, anywhere. I saw that the majority owners want to sell, and that usually means revenues and profits are down. Not always, but nearly always.

Then there was the Valkyrie launch. that whole thing was so weird. CCP were partnering with Zuckerberg, but they went directly to capital markets for cash to launch the lead title for the Rift. Presumably he offered them a terrible deal, or no deal at all. But either way, the owners took a risk, betting more than the value of the firm, and it looks like that might have been a success.

I have heard that Valkyrie has done great business, which might explain why the owners of Eve want to cut and run. They may be simply sick and tired of it, and the drain on their best folks, who now want to do other things in the VR space. But that doesn't explain why they would not firewall Eve, and leave it to turn a steady profit under its own, distinct leadership.

I have this hobby, trying to work out what CCP are worth. Games companies are notoriously hard to value. They have IP assets that might be worth billions, or they might be worth nothing at all. Worse, fashion and short lived trends dominate the games industry and what is hot today could be a waste of money tomorrow.

I know CCP have large overheads for staff costs, compared to most gaming companies with only a few existing titles. They probably get significant government support for salaries, being a European "private company", so it is hard to know what percentage of their staff overheads are real costs, and what percentage is state participation. That is always kept secret, because obviously those funds don't travel with the IP to new jurisdictions (or even to new families within the same jurisdiction).

The fact that CCP have significant cash revenues and yet can't sell themselves hints to me that their books are closed. This is usually due to political support for the owners.

I have also heard that CCP have a messy and complex ownership structure, and that may be why potential buyers have stayed away.

In any case, it is a fascinating company, with lots of good things to recommend it, especially the artists, and we would all be pleased to see it under new, focused management, rather than being kept on life support while a buyer is found.

If i were advising the owners, I would be focused on Sony and the other cash rich, innovation poor mega corps in the gaming industry. Whatever it takes to get the books and policies ISO enough for that set, just bite the rope and get it done.

There is so much equity looking for a home just now, it is shameful CCP can't sell Eve. All they need to do is tell a few folks to shut up, a few others to pull up there pants and stop dribbling, and it would be a done deal already.

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