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If (BIG IF) I got shredded I would be as big, if not bigger than every one of these guys. Eric Broser would be hard for me to beat!

Powerlifters have plenty of muscle. There are no Elite level powerlifters without a lot of muscle mass. There are some, a small percentage, who reach Elite levels in gear and don't look jacked, but they still weight 270+ pounds and have plenty of natural muscle under their fat.

Fat changes the game. It's an illusion.

Me, JB and Gaspers are huge. Max Misch and Fazc, if they got shredded, could hold their own at any natural bodybuilding show.

We powerlifters might not work small body parts and bring up weaknesses, but overall we have the same, or nearly the same muscle mass.

Well I want to big strong and big, so surly powerlifting would be a better idea for most people?
Why not just do powerlifting in the first place if you want to be big?

To me, powerlifting is clearly the superior option.
Why be big with less strength, when you can be huge and strong as hell at the same time?

Back to the hypertrophy thing. You say powerlifters look no different to bodybuilders apart from body fat percentages, and from the pictures you showed me, I understand now.
The sarco vs myo hypertrophy, seems irrelevant even if looking at it just out of interest.
I've read tons of stuff about it, and here isn't really any proof to support that you can train for either one, and any supposed evidence you can find has a contradiction to go along with it.

The only reason I was concerned with all this before was because I didn't want to put a ton of hard work in, to find out that I was just pumping my muscles up with fluid, that wouldn't last.
Its clearly not as black and white as that, like you said in the other thread, but I just felt compelled to get my head round it.

By the way, if powerlifters often have as much mass as bodybuilders, then why not just do powerlifting?
Seems like a better idea to me.

To me, powerlifting is clearly the superior option.
Why be big with less strength, when you can be huge and strong as hell at the same time?

Back to the hypertrophy thing. You say powerlifters look no different to bodybuilders apart from body fat percentages, and from the pictures you showed me, I understand now.
The sarco vs myo hypertrophy, seems irrelevant even if looking at it just out of interest.
I've read tons of stuff about it, and here isn't really any proof to support that you can train for either one, and any supposed evidence you can find has a contradiction to go along with it.

The only reason I was concerned with all this before was because I didn't want to put a ton of hard work in, to find out that I was just pumping my muscles up with fluid, that wouldn't last.
Its clearly not as black and white as that, like you said in the other thread, but I just felt compelled to get my head round it.

By the way, if powerlifters often have as much mass as bodybuilders, then why not just do powerlifting?
Seems like a better idea to me.

Well I want to big strong and big, so surly powerlifting would be a better idea for most people?
Why not just do powerlifting in the first place if you want to be big?

For one, some muscles are not targeted by powerlifting (the 3 big lifts) which means they don't get developed unlike with bodybuilding where they are targeted; if you look at the back of a powerlifter and compare it with the back of a bodybuilder, the very small of the back (the small triangular muscle segment at the base, someone will know the name ) is not developed so much in the powerlifter but it is in the case of the bodybuilder.

For one, some muscles are not targeted by powerlifting (the 3 big lifts) which means they don't get developed unlike with bodybuilding where they are targeted; if you look at the back of a powerlifter and compare it with the back of a bodybuilder, the very small of the back (the small triangular muscle segment at the base, someone will know the name ) is not developed so much in the powerlifter but it is in the case of the bodybuilder.

So, couldn't you use the same powerlifting rep and set range, and do some isolation exercises aswell?
What IS the typical powerlifting rep and set range by the way.