Comments on: Let’s Watch That Train Wreck Together Some More Tonighthttp://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/
It's like reality TV. Except it's real. And there's no TV.Sat, 01 Aug 2015 21:29:52 +0000http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9hourly1By: T.J. Olaussenhttp://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-582121
T.J. OlaussenWed, 23 Jan 2013 21:59:27 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582121@clydesteve
Ah, I see why you get confused.
No, even if it has spread to the lungs and brain, the cells are still the same as the original cancer cells. A testicular cancer does not turn into a lungcancer, it is "just" a testicular cancer in the lung. And testicular cancer is very sensitive to treatment, no matter where it is growing.@clydesteve
Ah, I see why you get confused.
No, even if it has spread to the lungs and brain, the cells are still the same as the original cancer cells. A testicular cancer does not turn into a lungcancer, it is “just” a testicular cancer in the lung. And testicular cancer is very sensitive to treatment, no matter where it is growing.
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ClydesteveTue, 22 Jan 2013 00:09:42 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582023@bikemike - re: Greg Lemond as surprise guest interviewer -
At THAT point, the slow-motion train wreck falling in slow-motion into the huge gorge becomes a slow motion total explosion!@bikemike – re: Greg Lemond as surprise guest interviewer –

At THAT point, the slow-motion train wreck falling in slow-motion into the huge gorge becomes a slow motion total explosion!

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bikemikeMon, 21 Jan 2013 21:59:54 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582021I also think it would've been cool for Oprah to have Greg Lemond come at about half way through as a suprise guest interviewer. That way we can get really creeped out good and proper.I also think it would’ve been cool for Oprah to have Greg Lemond come at about half way through as a suprise guest interviewer. That way we can get really creeped out good and proper.
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NW BikerMon, 21 Jan 2013 21:50:49 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582020I am curious about one thing (well, one that I'm posting about, anyway): what is USADA's jurisdiction?
I'm asking because of what Lance said about being penalized so much more harshly than others who also admitted doping, what he called the "death penalty."
If USADA's jurisdiction is only about detecting and eliminating doping, then I tend to agree with Lance that his punishment is too harsh. He's banned for life; others got short suspensions.
But can USADA regulate/punish other behavior? What Lance did in suing people, etc., was truly reprehensible, and yes, it was all part of the cover-up, but is that part of USADA's function? Other dopers have certainly lied about it. As someone else said in the comments, it's comes with the territory.
Or was he punished more harshly because he was The Big Name. And is that the right thing to do?
Overall, I'm not sure that he was entirely forthcoming in the interview, and there's definitely a flavor of being sorry that he got caught, but after the hole he's dug himself for such a long time, it's a start. As bad as he's been, he's still a human being, so I hope he can pull his life back together.I am curious about one thing (well, one that I’m posting about, anyway): what is USADA’s jurisdiction?

I’m asking because of what Lance said about being penalized so much more harshly than others who also admitted doping, what he called the “death penalty.”

If USADA’s jurisdiction is only about detecting and eliminating doping, then I tend to agree with Lance that his punishment is too harsh. He’s banned for life; others got short suspensions.

But can USADA regulate/punish other behavior? What Lance did in suing people, etc., was truly reprehensible, and yes, it was all part of the cover-up, but is that part of USADA’s function? Other dopers have certainly lied about it. As someone else said in the comments, it’s comes with the territory.

Or was he punished more harshly because he was The Big Name. And is that the right thing to do?

Overall, I’m not sure that he was entirely forthcoming in the interview, and there’s definitely a flavor of being sorry that he got caught, but after the hole he’s dug himself for such a long time, it’s a start. As bad as he’s been, he’s still a human being, so I hope he can pull his life back together.

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IrnldyMon, 21 Jan 2013 20:54:44 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582018I am personally amazed at the things Oprah did not ask. In her interview with CBS she indicated she had read the Walsh books, Tyler's book, as well as the Reasoned Decision. She used very little of this material IMO. I would have liked her to directly go after some of Tyler's accusations (did you report Tyler to the UCI?) or the incident in the restaurant with Tyler in Colorado. I would have liked to have heard just ONE mention of Johann Bruyneel. How, I ask myself, HOW could he not come up? He is integral to the whole sordid mess. I was clenching hoping she wouldn't ask some of her usual "Have you made peace with yourself?" type questions. I was also amazed that for what I thought was supposed to be a contrite interview, he just didn't come off as all that sorry -
Case in point - the giggling through describing Betsy Andreu
-Saying he DESERVES to come back and compete
-I think she should have ripped him apart over his doping samples from 09 and 10 but she let the lie stand.
-Claiming he suddenly cares deeply about his ex-wife's feelings towards his doping
-Claiming she knew very little when all the books seem to indicate she knew everything
-Throwing Christian Van de Velde under the bus but good (but he doesn't want to mention names)
-Claiming he never read Tyler's book (um, this is a guy who famously boasted that he has a service that pings him everything ever written about him.)
I found the whole thing so self serving and loathsome that I'm just glad it is done.
As a human, I hope he does what he says he will do - come down to earth with us regular folk and feel some humbleness. I think he is a stranger to that now and it will take a great deal of work for him to be able to be amongst the regular people.
As an ex-rabid fan, I'm just so disapointed in what I put my faith in, in how I choose my heros, in how the media contributed to the false story, in how the whole thing played out
As someone who's lost two uncles to cancer in the last two years, I am praying Livestrong is enough of a brand without him and that as Oprah said, it is more than just being about Lance's story.
As an aside Fatty, while I respect you immensely, noticed that you left something very key out in your interview with yourself, which was the time that you spent with Lance and the team at the training camp that you attended. I think it was a significant boost to your feelings for them at the time. I appreciate what you did write, but didn't understand why you left that out.
Best,
IrnldyI am personally amazed at the things Oprah did not ask. In her interview with CBS she indicated she had read the Walsh books, Tyler’s book, as well as the Reasoned Decision. She used very little of this material IMO. I would have liked her to directly go after some of Tyler’s accusations (did you report Tyler to the UCI?) or the incident in the restaurant with Tyler in Colorado. I would have liked to have heard just ONE mention of Johann Bruyneel. How, I ask myself, HOW could he not come up? He is integral to the whole sordid mess. I was clenching hoping she wouldn’t ask some of her usual “Have you made peace with yourself?” type questions. I was also amazed that for what I thought was supposed to be a contrite interview, he just didn’t come off as all that sorry -
Case in point – the giggling through describing Betsy Andreu
-Saying he DESERVES to come back and compete
-I think she should have ripped him apart over his doping samples from 09 and 10 but she let the lie stand.
-Claiming he suddenly cares deeply about his ex-wife’s feelings towards his doping
-Claiming she knew very little when all the books seem to indicate she knew everything
-Throwing Christian Van de Velde under the bus but good (but he doesn’t want to mention names)
-Claiming he never read Tyler’s book (um, this is a guy who famously boasted that he has a service that pings him everything ever written about him.)
I found the whole thing so self serving and loathsome that I’m just glad it is done.
As a human, I hope he does what he says he will do – come down to earth with us regular folk and feel some humbleness. I think he is a stranger to that now and it will take a great deal of work for him to be able to be amongst the regular people.
As an ex-rabid fan, I’m just so disapointed in what I put my faith in, in how I choose my heros, in how the media contributed to the false story, in how the whole thing played out
As someone who’s lost two uncles to cancer in the last two years, I am praying Livestrong is enough of a brand without him and that as Oprah said, it is more than just being about Lance’s story.
As an aside Fatty, while I respect you immensely, noticed that you left something very key out in your interview with yourself, which was the time that you spent with Lance and the team at the training camp that you attended. I think it was a significant boost to your feelings for them at the time. I appreciate what you did write, but didn’t understand why you left that out.
Best,
Irnldy
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ClydesteveMon, 21 Jan 2013 17:07:21 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-582007@ TJ - OK, now I am confused/curious. Not about LA's particular situation, just how cancer works. I believe you when you say that metastacized testicular cancer does not generally have the large impact that the spreading of cancer often does...
But if the cancer has spread to the brain and the lungs, it is now brain cancer and lung cancer, and those are indeed serious, and tough to treat, right? Or, put another way, are you saying that if the original cancer was testicular, then the brain and lung cancer are somehow less serious and easier to treat?@ TJ – OK, now I am confused/curious. Not about LA’s particular situation, just how cancer works. I believe you when you say that metastacized testicular cancer does not generally have the large impact that the spreading of cancer often does…

But if the cancer has spread to the brain and the lungs, it is now brain cancer and lung cancer, and those are indeed serious, and tough to treat, right? Or, put another way, are you saying that if the original cancer was testicular, then the brain and lung cancer are somehow less serious and easier to treat?

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ChrisASun, 20 Jan 2013 23:36:58 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-581989When LA said something to Oprah about losing $75million in a day, did anyone else expect Oprah to say, "That's a typical Tuesday for me. BFD."When LA said something to Oprah about losing $75million in a day, did anyone else expect Oprah to say, “That’s a typical Tuesday for me. BFD.”
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T.J OlaussenSun, 20 Jan 2013 09:32:58 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-581934@Clydesteve. Just to lay the testicular cancer thing dead, it is among the few cancers where metastazising doesn't really have much of an impact on treatment or survival. (the reason I feel I can have reasoned opinion about this is that I am a doctor) I have no dobut he had cancer and every cancer is a serious thing, no matter how treatable it supposedly is. I was just commenting on how he even cheats with statistics to further his cause.
Besides this I agree with everything you say in your very well written comment. He is buried in a web of lies so tight that I'm sure he doesn't quite know what the truth is. But the feeling I'm left with is that he is still the same calculating, manipulating man he has always been and is trying to "be set free" without telling the truth.
Of course, I could be wrong. I've been wrong before, and if he comes out the other side a changed man, then I will truly be happy for him. I just don't see that happening, yet.@Clydesteve. Just to lay the testicular cancer thing dead, it is among the few cancers where metastazising doesn’t really have much of an impact on treatment or survival. (the reason I feel I can have reasoned opinion about this is that I am a doctor) I have no dobut he had cancer and every cancer is a serious thing, no matter how treatable it supposedly is. I was just commenting on how he even cheats with statistics to further his cause.
Besides this I agree with everything you say in your very well written comment. He is buried in a web of lies so tight that I’m sure he doesn’t quite know what the truth is. But the feeling I’m left with is that he is still the same calculating, manipulating man he has always been and is trying to “be set free” without telling the truth.
Of course, I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong before, and if he comes out the other side a changed man, then I will truly be happy for him. I just don’t see that happening, yet.
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roanSun, 20 Jan 2013 02:26:35 +0000http://www.fatcyclist.com/2013/01/18/lets-watch-that-train-wreck-together-some-more-tonight/#comment-581930I've only followed this through this blog due to the venue of the original. The light bulb came on when reading the comments, even my own. What is next, what is left, where can he turn. If he feels that most of his life was a deception and that which was not may be slipping away he may ponder the...
Is he strong enough if there is nothing left ? I hope LiveStrong offers counciling.
What tipped me towards writing this comment was another posting on FB by a friend of Fatty, heading was 'Suicidal Tendencies'.I’ve only followed this through this blog due to the venue of the original. The light bulb came on when reading the comments, even my own. What is next, what is left, where can he turn. If he feels that most of his life was a deception and that which was not may be slipping away he may ponder the…
Is he strong enough if there is nothing left ? I hope LiveStrong offers counciling.
What tipped me towards writing this comment was another posting on FB by a friend of Fatty, heading was ‘Suicidal Tendencies’.
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