Really? We find out through Wikileaks that the DNC did everything they could to undermine Bernie Sanders. A body that is supposed to be neutral and went out of their way to state such. They can, feasibly, have been responsible for denying the rank and file democrats the nominee they would have chosen had the DNC not meddled.

The DNC could have stolen the presidency from Bernie Sanders. An honorable man.

And, what is the conversation we are having? Donald Trump made a public statement to the effect that if anyone could find the missing emails from another one of Hillary's scandals; please share them?

I would have thought the left was more intelligent myself. Live and learn, it appears.

Being president is serious business.. It is not a game or a reality TV show. Intelligent and fair-minded people can be upset about, and address, more than one thing at a time.

If there is a distraction from the DNC scandal, it is Trump's sole responsibilty. What he said was reckless, stupid, insane and displays a staggering disregard for the seriousness of his position.

An intelligent mind can handle the fact that the DNC is corrupt, and that Donald just said something that displays he is unfit to be president. They are not mutually exclusive. If you are worried more about the "distraction" than Donald's mind boggling stupidity, then your priorities just might be messed up.

That cannot be helped . To the left apparently there are two kinds of sarcasm , much like racism , one that is for the hypocritical use by liberals and the other , less political correct , for conservatives ?

Exactly. The focus was on the convention, the disaffected Bernie supporters, the DNC mess.

It's ridiculous to blame the media for the "distraction." If Donald had kept his mouth shut, like a smart presidential candidate would, then there would be no story to divert focus from the Democratic convention and its issues.

LOL. I am beginning to see why the ones on the right, the ones I thought weren't willing to be fair and honest are the way they are.

That's ridiculous. The DNC scandal is Drumpf's responsibility?

That lunacy is why I started this thread in the first place.

Donald did not personally contact the Russians and give them information to aid in hacking the DNC. I'm not sure I think he even suggested they hack the DNC, or anything else. It was a flippant, off the cuff remark about something else entirely. I've never claimed to think the guy was smart but what he is being accused of here is childish and unfair. Aren't the 33,000 emails from while she was in the state department? Talk about putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 666.

Sigh. Where did I say Donald was responsible for the DNC scandal? Where, exactly?

No, I said he is responsible for diverting attention away from the DNC scandal with his incredibly stupid remarks.

"I'm not sure I think he even suggested they hack the DNC, or anything else." You're not sure? "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

Seems pretty clear to me, and even if he was joking or just making a flippant remark, it is not what a president should do, and he wants to be president. Or, do you think it's okay? So, Hillary could ask Germany to pore through Donald's servers to find his tax returns and that would be just fine?

Look, I'm not trying to excoriate you, but I find your defense of this really weird, given what I've seen of you usually being quite sensible. But, hey, we can just agree to disagree on this.

Honestly, of course the guy could have kept his mouth shut. But, I do believe this is a ridiculous argument. If yesterday I said I admired the way the chinese run their government and then I went out tomorrow and said 'Hey, if China is listening, send me all of your tea' and then a truck carrying tea turned over on an interstate and the adjacent river turned brown would you blame me?

It was a flippant statement. If we are going to hold everyone responsible for their flippant statements that those on the other side of the aisle can read something sinister in then no one is qualified to run for president.

I honestly believe you're missing the point. Some people (because of politics or because they're fanatics) are trying to make the Trump-Putin connection. But most people (and that is my point and I believe PP too) are just pointing out that (in an obvious attempt to get attention from the media) Trump made a controversial comment that, if not invite, condone a criminal act that some might even considered treason. Not because Russia is going to do something.

That remark, joking or not, is what most people are denouncing as another example of why Trump is an idiot and should not be president.

It was stupid, because Trump is stupid. But he did it for a reason, and it worked. Like I said, it's his modus operandi.

I have no idea what the cold feet remark is implying. But, I haven't missed the point you are attempting to make. I simply think it's a ridiculous one, on thin ground, held because one wants to find fault with a guy who, quite frankly, has so many valid faults that to fabricate one seems strange.

I wonder, had he known prior to running just how undemocratic the process was going to be....would he have run? That quote above, by you, says it all. Basically, 'Sure, run. But if we don't think you can get elected we will undermine the will of the people in order to further 'the party'.'

I find that pathetic.

I prefer to let the voice of the people be heard, unfettered by backhanded, closed door, political machines in action.

I think I get your point Live to Learn, but take a breath now, I think you forgot to consider that he hands out so much free ammunition. Even so, I think it is a bit much, even sarcastically, to offer a God comparison. Think what you may have started. There will be memes and threads about this all over the place by tomorrow.

Sometimes we over aggregate to get our points across. When you know there is no fix by Politicians you get overly frustrated. I got a solution for myself, yet feel overwhelmed and helpless for others that must endure for that is about to come.

You mean like when Obama sent his campaign people to Israel to interfere in the re-election of Netanyahu ?Or Obama sent his people to Canada to interfere in the Trudeau election , playing the diplomatic shuffle for liberal causes .You guys are whining about E mails that don't even exist remember !

It's all about judgement promisem. Mine is that no sensible person would take his remark seriously. Trump is a symbol of something a lot of voters want. His supporters are flocking to the symbol, and the man in it is irrelevant.

I think you are wrong. For sure I think the man is very real. And I think the symbol, as I see it -an anti-establishment anti-PC vote, is also very real. If it weren't Trump would not be where he is. He is the very illustration that the symbol is real, and of the desperation of that voter to find it, as shown by their acceptance of Trump. That symbol is very real.

Quite awhile back I participated in a thread about trying to define a Trump supporter. I argued against the concept that it was only the ignorant that supported him. I argued that it was the angst and anger of American voters across the spectrum that drove Trump supporters. And here we are once again laughing at the man and ignoring that he is knocking on the door.

Folks that are laughing at and ridiculing Trump are just fiddling while the house burns.

What constitutes anti-establishment, distrust of your standard manner of politician? Perhaps, that is why Bernie did so well against incredible odds. Does being not Pc mean not being civil in discourse over a wide range of topics over a varied group of people?

nounthe avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.(Wikipedia)

Based on this definition why are people against PC? Who wants to be insulted?

I believe that the real attraction to Trump is far more sinister, but we spoke of this a while back.

Why is Trump considered the great solution to these frustrations? Trump still has yet to convince mainstream GOP of his value. Everybody says that he is above the fray of contemporary politics, I doubt it. He has an abrasive style and loud mouth, is that a substitute for wisdom or strength? Trump is just the candidate of those that would prefer that time move in a backwards direction rather than naturally forward, such is the reason for my description of illusory.

Yes, we have many intractible problems, agreed. But, Trump and his style are certainly not the answer.

But there is hope Cred, I think you offered a bit of validation in your opening sentence, (but it was downhill from there);

"What constitutes anti-establishment, distrust of your standard manner of politician? Perhaps, that is why Bernie did so well against incredible odds. "

Bernie could make the point. I think it would be fair to say that Bernie's supporters were fervent in their faith in him. They did not want the same-old, same-old, politics as usual. I don't think you are alone thinking Bernie was a bit of an anti-establishment outsider. And even though some of his ideas were a bit more than many were comfortable with, his supporters kept the faith. A possible Trump analogy? Not man to man, but symbol to symbol?

Europe is pretty much lost to political correctness and Islamic attacks happening weekly, maybe daily and I just don't hear about it. America is being taken down the same path.

This isn't about Trump and he knows it. Its about saving our First and Second Amendments. Political correctness has become deadly in America. We need law and order, a leader.

Mary Bayer (the new Jonathen Gruber, ha) one of Hillary's delegates was caught by a journalist with a hidden camera saying that Hillary is going to ban guns if she is president, that they have to lie for now. If I remember right she used the term 'bait and switch'. But, that's Hillary, lies, lies, lies.

Its about appointing Supreme Court justices who will uphold the Constitution. Trump will, Hillary won't.

Geeze, now there's chatter that Putin and Trump are poisoning Hillary Clinton. I think she has several food and beverage tasters willing to take the first bite or drink. I love a good conspiracy theory, but that one doesn't fly or float. But, what else could it be?

Has it ever occurred to you that having an idiot for president who says stupid sh!t just to get attention could make it harder for our intelligence and diplomatic communities to do their jobs? Could endanger them, even?

Or are you incapable of thinking anything more complex than "Liberals bad."

I'm actually surprised , you've been around awhile right ? Yet you and most liberals deny that racism rhetoric was re- awakened by Obama all across America , every time there was any incident involving the law and a black man he stepped in , every time race questions by a moronic media came up , he went all 'black and white " on a past mostly healed !

Yet , how conveniently the left denies that ! Did Obama step into the Israeli election condemning Netanyahu , a conservative for his opposition , Did he step into Canada's election for the liberal Trudeau , condemning a conservative for president there ?

Don't play the holier than though with Trumps sarcastic remark and pretend Obama is clean of such perfect sarcasm , it's so unbecoming of an intelligent woman , even a liberal .

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