Is Carver actually a BAD guy ?

Carver is painted as the antagonist and no doubt I think Telltale will continue with that storyline but I would also love to see them throw in a monkey wrench - give Carver some positive attributes. I know he killed seemingly innocent members of your group but you do have to remember:

we know very little as to WHY he left the group

he is chasing Rebecca who has her kid. That is a pretty powerful force.

he seems like he has a commitment to his group/ community which are pretty positive characteristics

In another thread, the question is posed : "Would you kill Carver?"

The obvious answer is "yes" as of right now because he hasn't done anything beneficial yet. I think Telltale is going to at least give Carver some "courageous" act to portray him in a different light. Just food for thought. Like I said I think Carver will be a absolute (insert curse word here) for most of the episode and than in the end maybe reveal something that would paint him in a more positive light.

Trust me, I think Walter was my temporary favorite character. He actually was like a genuine nice guy. At the same time, we don't know why Carver left and he was enraged. . . Kenny just killed one of their guys. Up to that point, as Alvin and Rebecca were debating, he probably WOULD HAVE NOT killed anyone.

He shot and killed Walter and/or Alvin (determinant). He tortured Carlos right in front of Sarah. He also had Sarita or Clem at gunpoint and pistol-whipped Clem. Yeah, he's a bad guy...to me at least :P

He shot and killed Walter and/or Alvin (determinant). He tortured Carlos right in front of Sarah. He also had Sarita or Clem at gunpoint and pistol-whipped Clem. Yeah, he's a bad guy...to me at least :P

What kind of good guy would kill two people in cold blood, torture a man in front of his daughter and pistol-whip a child? Yeah, he may not act evil all the time, that would make him very one-dimensional, but he's by no means a good guy.

He isn't a good guy, that's for sure. Good guys don't break fingers and torture people. Does he have positive traits that could possibly paint him in a better light that we haven't seen yet? Maybe. Probably.

I don't think TTG will go the typical psychopathic antagonist route with Carver. That would be boring. Despite that, there's no way he's a good guy. Morally grey if anything. He has an "eye for an eye" ethical code, so he's not entirely amoral, but that doesn't make him good. He's on a higher level of pragmatism.

I'm not sure yet, but he's certainly not a NICE guy. My guess is that he's a well-intentioned extremist who darkened through the course of the apocalypse. He's clearly intelligent and charismatic but still seems like a tyrant who steps on others to get his way. The sanctity of human life doesn't factor into that equation.

What kind of good guy would kill two people in cold blood, torture a man in front of his daughter and pistol-whip a child? Yeah, he may not act evil all the time, that would make him very one-dimensional, but he's by no means a good guy.

First of all, Im not necessarily saying Carver doesn't have a softer side, Im simply saying having a bit of compassion, Which is something every human being should have won't be enough to justify all the things he's done in what... Fifteen mimutes of screen time ?

He held a kid at gunpoint, Tortured a guy in front of his daughter to get info out of him, Shot two people in the head in a span of five minutes,Etc.

What's funny is he did all of this in such a short time. If you're watching an LP and you go to the bathroom without pausing it you could miss the whole thing, Seriously.

If Telltale plans on making me change my mind about him he better sacrifice himself for Clem or something like that.

I will have to disagree with you there. Sure, he's not a nice guy by any definition. But he's definitely not like Andy or Danny. Carver killing Walter was in a way justified. For all we know, if Kenny hadn't shot Troy(I think that's his name) Walter could still be alive. He also made it quick and painless,that's not the case with the St John brothers.

In my opinion, if Carver would've known about them, chances are he would've shot them both. Since Carver strikes me as a man with some morals and principles, and I don't think he agrees with cannibalism.

I will have to disagree with you there. Sure, he's not a nice guy by any definition. But he's definitely not like Andy or Danny. C… morearver killing Walter was in a way justified. For all we know, if Kenny hadn't shot Troy(I think that's his name) Walter could still be alive. He also made it quick and painless,that's not the case with the St John brothers.
In my opinion, if Carver would've known about them, chances are he would've shot them both. Since Carver strikes me as a man with some morals and principles, and I don't think he agrees with cannibalism.

Don't worry, I understand. I have a soft spot for the bad guys, as long as they are interesting enough. Since ep 3 seems to be around the corner(See what I did there?) I guess we'll have our answers then.

Hmm... Let's see he chases Rebecca and the group like a creep, nearly kills Carlos and breaks his fingers in front of Sarah, Kills Walter, Kills Alvin(determinant), hits Clem in the stomach and points a gun at her, holds Sarita at a gunpoint, forcefully takes Clem and others to his group, beats Kenny, beats Alvin (deternminant). Yeah that guy is a true charmer.

Once again, never said he was going to start giving out free hugs while he takes the entire group out for ice cream BUT I think he is getting portrayed very one dimensional as of right now with no "redeeming" qualities. . . i personally think that it will change

Hmm... Let's see he chases Rebecca and the group like a creep, nearly kills Carlos and breaks his fingers in front of Sarah, Kills… more Walter, Kills Alvin(determinant), hits Clem in the stomach and points a gun at her, holds Sarita at a gunpoint, forcefully takes Clem and others to his group, beats Kenny, beats Alvin (deternminant). Yeah that guy is a true charmer.

What kind of good guy would kill two people in cold blood, torture a man in front of his daughter and pistol-whip a child? Yeah, he may not act evil all the time, that would make him very one-dimensional, but he's by no means a good guy.

To me, my intention is to kill Carver and Bonnie and anyone else who stands in Clem's way. (of course depending on the episode)
Carver has searched for the group, traveled for days in a dangerous world looking for them and had no problem torturing Carlo's and killing Walter.
Kidnapped the entire group and forced them into his camp.

I fully intend (again, depending on how the episode is written) to escape with Kenny. That is my priority, the others can come if possible, but they can stay or become walker bait for all I care. If the game makes us choose who to save, Kenny or anyone else, I'll pick Kenny no matter what!

I saw in the preview that Clem and Bonnie seemed to smile at each other like they were becomming friends, but I'm going to play this like Clem is pretending til the right moment and if given the option, wont hesitate to do anything she needs to escape.

It doesnt matter if Carver or Bonnie are really "good or bad" people, they intentionally took steps th abduct Clem and the group against their will.
That's enough to concider them a threat. Ben was a good guy, but not too bright and caused several death's, just like Nick. It's not that they were "bad" it's that they were threats.

All of that violent behavior may be justified in his mind because he's trying to implement a stable community (hence, the "bigger picture").
By the way, killing Alvin actually has to do with someone Alvin killed, named George, so we have yet to find out what really happened there.

I try not to view people as just 'bad' or 'good', either. Life's way more complicated than that.

He shot and killed Walter and/or Alvin (determinant). He tortured Carlos right in front of Sarah. He also had Sarita or Clem at gunpoint and pistol-whipped Clem. Yeah, he's a bad guy...to me at least :P

I think it's obvious who the quote unquote 'bad guy' is in this situation - it's definitely Carver. The group hasn't told us the story of how they escaped from him, and obvious shit went down (Alvin seemingly killed someone). As for Rebecca's baby, there's no clear sign if it's Alvin's or if it's Carver's, what sane person would traverse the wilderness stalking and hunting down a pregnant lady who's baby may not even be yours during the zombie apocalypse ? It's also creepy how Carver is just assuming that it's his. Even an anti-hero, doesn't generally mutilate and torture a man while his kid is watching crying. Also, even though they fuss and fight, Rebecca and Alvin seem to love each other, was Carver and Rebecca's relationship even consensual? The problem is no one has explained anything to us because we're a kid, and if we were an adult, we probably would have been able to demand answers by now.

All of that violent behavior may be justified in his mind because he's trying to implement a stable community (hence, the "bigger … morepicture").
By the way, killing Alvin actually has to do with someone Alvin killed, named George, so we have yet to find out what really happened there.
I try not to view people as just 'bad' or 'good', either. Life's way more complicated than that.