originally posted by: new_here
How common is it? Do they know? How do they know it's happening... has it been observed 'in the wild' or is it theoretical? (Inquiring minds want
to know, lol.)

About 30 cosmic rays hit your body a second. Yes, you can observe them in the wild! You can do it with a cloud chamber, which you can build, if
you're handy. Before we could make fast protons, they used to put cosmic ray observatories on mountains so you could get above as much air as you
could manage, otherwise you see mostly other particles that have been knocked loose.

90% of cosmic rays are fast protons. Protons are what LHC uses. The speeds they come in as cosmic rays (or energy levels, if you prefer) vary all over
the place. However, you get an LHC special through every square meter on Earth about once every 10 seconds. So it's not like they're uncommon.

If you're looking to instrument rare interactions, you're going to need billions of them in one small volume where all your detectors are, instead
of them happening randomly all over the place. But it's not like every piece of ground in the solar system hasn't been thwacked endlessly by the
same particles and energy levels that LHC is going to be using since they were formed.

When? The second after? Hour, two hours, a day, a week....??? Sometimes the damage isn't apparent at first. But I agree to revisit this thread
after a reasonable time has passed to adequately assess what has resulted from the experiment.

Well only operating using theories based from the perception of earthlings and so called natural laws, why would one run a test of this magnitude
introducing the unknowns of a parallel universe real time, this would make all foundations of physics subject to nullification because you now have
the control group and experimental group mixing or blurring together.

They seem to be making the assumption about the laws of physics in a theoretical parallel universe, and go even further to make the assumption that
all those laws would be equal? and even more negligent actions would be the leakage or fusion of these two universes... I just can't see this level of
experimentation be left to it's own devices, give any scientist enough money, they will and can go rogue either purposely or not, honestly, no one
can even speculate on the outcome, good or bad.

For all the energy that CERN uses, it is way far less than that generated by a lightning strike during a thunderstorm. Can you imagine the amounts of
energy that have to be stored in order to get a spark of electricity that crosses over 30Km of atmosphere? For a thunderstorm alone, you need several
dozen kilometers of dense water saturated, high humidity and severe turbulence.

It's known that lightning generates anti-matter and matter. These annihilate each other and give out UV and X-ray photons we see as a lightning
flash.

It could get much worse...the enormous energy densities of the LHC might get to the many
Tens od tera-electron volts which MIGHT
start the nucleation of a vacuum meta instability
Event where our current universe's false vacuum devolves into a lower energy state and all the
Universe's fundamental constants change!

AAAAAAAAHHHHHH...YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE....
Crushed into minute quanta or stretched into million mile long spaghetti....!!!!!

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid
to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of
our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Just what the hell are they playing at over in Switzerland? Attempting to create mini black holes? Attempting to open up parallel universes?

I am all for discovering new things and appreciate science is relatively still in its infancy, but what happens if this little experiment goes
dramatically wrong, it could be the end of everything.

I'm sure in this day and age, risk assessments have been conducted, but what's to stop a little Black Hole growing into the Daddy of Black Holes?

The truth is, they do not know, yet they are willing to take the chance.

Still I guess they have to justify their funding?

Sleep well.

I honestly think this may be a bit of sensationalism. Gravitons, the particle that in certain theories is the force carrier of gravity, are thought to
be trans-dimentional in a sense. If one were created or broken free during a particle collision, they naturally do not propagate in our normal 4
dimansional space-time. Therefore they may shift into a higher dimension where they are intrinsically more stable, leaving behind as evidence an
energy deficit in the collision.
This deficit could give evidence of both Gravitons and the various other dimensions predicted in String Theory. And the theory that gravity is a
stronger force in other 'Branes' may be evidenced as well.
But the possibility of opening portals to parallel dimensions, as this article seems to imply, is extremely mislabeled.
As for microscopic singularities, if they were created they would be of no concern to the world in general. Being of quantum scale, they would
evaporate in an extremely short amount of time. Unfortunately, and I'm not implying that this fits anyone here, the general public has no real clue
of the mechanics of a singularity. They just hear 'black hole' and assume that it would devour the planet. A singularity on this scale would only be
composed of a small number of subatomic particles and would have a total gravitational attraction equal to that of those particles. Given that this
would be created in an environment where every particle not included in the singularity was rushing away from it at speeds approaching C, it would not
be able to attract more mass to itsself. Thus, due to mechanisms such as Hawking Radiation it would evaporate in an incredibly short time. Nanoseconds
at best.

If a black hole is created it will be very small. A star hundreds of times the size of ours has to start expanding once fuel is depleting, stretching
it's density until it's own gravity pulls in the outer stretches of the star creating an implosion resulting in a large black hole. They are
smashing atoms,so that black hole would probably serve better as an alternative to a bug zapper than pose a threat to earth

Tho there was a movie Called The Quite Earth a Somewhat Multidimensional movie ..

Zac Hobson (Bruno Lawrence) is a scientist working for Delenco, part of an international consortium working on "Project Flashlight", an
experiment to create a global energy grid. He awakens abruptly; when he turns on his radio, he is unable to receive any transmissions. Zac gets
dressed and drives into the deserted city. Investigating a fire, he discovers the wreckage of a passenger jet, but there are no bodies, only empty
seats. He enters his underground laboratory; a monitor displays the message "Project Flashlight Complete". The mass disappearance seems to coincide
with the moment Flashlight was activated. He notes on his tape recorder: "Zac Hobson, July 5th. One: there has been a malfunction in Project
Flashlight with devastating results. Two: it seems I am the only person left on Earth."

Yes it was Though Tron was more Eye Candy.. but The 13th Floor Revealed More in Detail .. a better Explanation just a Lower Budget... I
love both have both ... and Both have Similar Concept and Coming into Our Universe from their Digital Universe ...

Still a Mystery of Black Holes, Anti matter, Dark matter, Fabric of another Universe Perhaps

originally posted by: Night Star
Sounds like an awesome sci fi book or movie, but in real life we shouldn't be messing with such things.

Why not? Should we just live a banal pointless existence on a rock floating in space never trying to stretch beyond what we know and dream of
something bigger?

This mentality kills me it's why we aren't on Mars, it's why we aren't doing incredible amazing things, forget danger we need to do these things
because it's mankinds destiny to be bigger than a bunch of primates on a rock never reaching beyond.

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