Komplex:FTFG: "Convinced that there must be a written rule that in order to be a Red Sox fan, you have to be a complete and utter POS. Wow!"

Who is actually disputing this characterization of Red Sox Fans? The post 2004 years make this a scientific fact.

You are just letting Hollywood cloud your judgement. Get past Bill Simmons and Ben Affleck and look at all the Pink Hatters who just go to the game because it's something someone told them was cool. I'm sure they're decent people.

WinoRhino:Komplex: Who is actually disputing this characterization of Red Sox Fans? The post 2004 years make this a scientific fact.

*Profile check*Yeaaaahhhh... sure it does.

It really does. I've been a rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

I bought front row seats to a Red Sox game a couple of years ago. When my wife and I got to our seats there was another couple sitting in them and they refused to move. So we got an usher involved. They still refused to move. So the usher got a cop who threatened to arrest them. They got up, gave us the stink eye and the woman muttered "*ssholes" as she walked past us. I'm not sure who's worse: Texas A&M fans or Red Sox fans. But they're both among the worst in all of sport.

iamskibibitz:I bought front row seats to a Red Sox game a couple of years ago. When my wife and I got to our seats there was another couple sitting in them and they refused to move. So we got an usher involved. They still refused to move. So the usher got a cop who threatened to arrest them. They got up, gave us the stink eye and the woman muttered "*ssholes" as she walked past us. I'm not sure who's worse: Texas A&M fans or Red Sox fans. But they're both among the worst in all of sport.

Tman144:WinoRhino: Komplex: Who is actually disputing this characterization of Red Sox Fans? The post 2004 years make this a scientific fact.

*Profile check*Yeaaaahhhh... sure it does.

It really does. I've been a rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

Tman144:It really does. I've been a rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

I can't tell you what your experience has been, but as someone who was frequently in St. Pete for business in the last 10 years and has gone to the Trop for a lot of games, I gotta say my experience has been much, much different. The very few fans that showed up for games at the Trop were, for the most part, pretty good people, but there were always a few who were complete jackasses. In fact, the one time I attended a Yankees / Rays game down there I had to move seats (and thankfully there were plenty to choose from) because the Yankees and Rays jackasses started jawing at each other it was interminable and annoying.

When I hear people complain about being taunted by opposing team fans, or how an entire team's fan-base is a group of assholes, it tells me everything I need to know about the person doing the complaining: they usually belong to the minority group of fans of their team that act the same way.

WinoRhino:Tman144: It really does. I've been a rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

I can't tell you what your experience has been, but as someone who was frequently in St. Pete for business in the last 10 years and has gone to the Trop for a lot of games, I gotta say my experience has been much, much different. The very few fans that showed up for games at the Trop were, for the most part, pretty good people, but there were always a few who were complete jackasses. In fact, the one time I attended a Yankees / Rays game down there I had to move seats (and thankfully there were plenty to choose from) because the Yankees and Rays jackasses started jawing at each other it was interminable and annoying.

When I hear people complain about being taunted by opposing team fans, or how an entire team's fan-base is a group of assholes, it tells me everything I need to know about the person doing the complaining: they usually belong to the minority group of fans of their team that act the same way.

Uh-huh, think what you want, but I've never been in a verbal argument with anyone over sports, ever. This is all based on observation. Generally, the NY fans are the smug, "good luck next year, ha ha," while the Boston fans are "You suck, your town sucks, I hate all of you, blah blah." Also, my brother lives in MA and relays all the bullshiat that gets spewed on talk radio. I was going to wear my Rays shirt in Boston one day and my brother said not to, that I'd probably get shiat thrown at me if I did. Believe what you want though.

I'm not going to defend assholes, I'm sure there are enough around here to leave a bad taste in people's mouths, but the worst I've ever personally seen were Baltimore fans. And if no one's paying attention, people in the Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland areas are murdering and being murdered for rooting for their teams.

Tman144:Uh-huh, think what you want, but I've never been in a verbal argument with anyone over sports, ever. This is all based on observation. Generally, the NY fans are the smug, "good luck next year, ha ha," while the Boston fans are "You suck, your town sucks, I hate all of you, blah blah." Also, my brother lives in MA and relays all the bullshiat that gets spewed on talk radio. I was going to wear my Rays shirt in Boston one day and my brother said not to, that I'd probably get shiat thrown at me if I did. Believe what you want though.

You're proving my point. Rather than reply to my completely reasonable post essentially saying that "every team has fans that are jerks" you double-down with the idea that every Boston fan is an asshole. Sure, your brother told you not to wear a Rays jersey. I bet. *roll eyes*. There are plenty of different fan jerseys at Fenway all year-round because baseball fans want to see Fenway. Oldest park, blah blah blah. It's not out of place. And I listen to radio up here all day long and there isn't much of any vitriol spewed about other teams or their fans. One station's afternoon drive guy is actually not even a Boston sports team fan. It's pretty enjoyable not having a homer opinion constantly. And as a side note, I'm a Ravens fan. I went to both Patriots playoff games last year (Texans and Ravens) and wore my Rice jersey. Know how many problems I had? ZERO. And frankly, there's plenty of overlap between the fanbases, and football fans have a reputation of being somewhat more rowdy.

So as I said in my previous post, it tells me more about you and your mindset than anything else. You have this odd persecution complex at the hands of Red Sox fans. You have your brother monitor radio phone-ins (the smartest members of any teams fan base!) and let you know what they're saying about you. Sorry you think every one of them hates you and wants to beat you up. But they don't. It'll be okay... really.

Tman144:WinoRhino: Komplex: Who is actually disputing this characterization of Red Sox Fans? The post 2004 years make this a scientific fact.

*Profile check*Yeaaaahhhh... sure it does.

It really does. I've been athe rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

Tman144:Uh-huh, think what you want, but I've never been in a verbal argument with anyone over sports, ever. This is all based on observation. Generally, the NY fans are the smug, "good luck next year, ha ha," while the Boston fans are "You suck, your town sucks, I hate all of you, blah blah." Also, my brother lives in MA and relays all the bullshiat that gets spewed on talk radio. I was going to wear my Rays shirt in Boston one day and my brother said not to, that I'd probably get shiat thrown at me if I did. Believe what you want though.

Uh-huh, think what you want but I've seen a whole farking slew of examples for a wide variety of sports and teams that agrees with WinoRhino:

You think getting shiat thrown at you for wearing a shirt is bad, I saw UW Badger fans literally rip the Purdue shirt off of a guy, pass it up the section and throw it out of the stadium. But yeah, Boston people are totally worse.

So, if you want to judge a whole teams fanbase by the actions of a few, Giant's fans are the worse because they will murder people.

Now, if you're saying in general that Red Sox fans are bad, I will present exhibit A:

There are shiatty fans for every team. There are awesome fans for every team. I haver been to Fenway for Red Sox/Yankees games and I can tell you that how you are treated depends directly on how you act in most cases. Those who get drunk and look for a find tend to find them easily, and those who want to enjoy a game usually can without too much harassment.

Publikwerks:First off - saying Red Sox's fans are the worse is BS, just because no one has been murdered at Fenway for being an opposing fan.http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/9725630/man-stabbed-de at h-att-park-san-francisco

So, if you want to judge a whole teams fanbase by the actions of a few, Giant's fans are the worse because they will murder people.

Now, if you're saying in general that Red Sox fans are bad, I will present exhibit A:[static.someecards.com image 420x294]

There are shiatty fans for every team. There are awesome fans for every team. I have been to Fenway for Red Sox/Yankees games and I can tell you that how you are treated depends directly on how you act in most cases. Those who get drunk and look for a find fight tend to find them easily, and those who want to enjoy a game usually can without too much harassment.

WinoRhino:Tman144: Uh-huh, think what you want, but I've never been in a verbal argument with anyone over sports, ever. This is all based on observation. Generally, the NY fans are the smug, "good luck next year, ha ha," while the Boston fans are "You suck, your town sucks, I hate all of you, blah blah." Also, my brother lives in MA and relays all the bullshiat that gets spewed on talk radio. I was going to wear my Rays shirt in Boston one day and my brother said not to, that I'd probably get shiat thrown at me if I did. Believe what you want though.

You're proving my point. Rather than reply to my completely reasonable post essentially saying that "every team has fans that are jerks" you double-down with the idea that every Boston fan is an asshole. Sure, your brother told you not to wear a Rays jersey. I bet. *roll eyes*. There are plenty of different fan jerseys at Fenway all year-round because baseball fans want to see Fenway. Oldest park, blah blah blah. It's not out of place. And I listen to radio up here all day long and there isn't much of any vitriol spewed about other teams or their fans. One station's afternoon drive guy is actually not even a Boston sports team fan. It's pretty enjoyable not having a homer opinion constantly. And as a side note, I'm a Ravens fan. I went to both Patriots playoff games last year (Texans and Ravens) and wore my Rice jersey. Know how many problems I had? ZERO. And frankly, there's plenty of overlap between the fanbases, and football fans have a reputation of being somewhat more rowdy.

So as I said in my previous post, it tells me more about you and your mindset than anything else. You have this odd persecution complex at the hands of Red Sox fans. You have your brother monitor radio phone-ins (the smartest members of any teams fan base!) and let you know what they're saying about you. Sorry you think every one of them hates you and wants to beat you up. But they don't. It'll be okay... really.

You mean your completely reasonable post where you said we have no fans and you called me a jackass? Keep up the personal attacks though, it makes you seem very reasonable. I also like the part where you have to say there "isn't much" vitriol. Why, it's only a little bit of seething hatred, don't worry. There's only a slight chance some jackass will start shiat with you for no farking reason!

Of course, I wore the shirt anyway and nothing happened, he was just warning me. Look, man, I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just saying, some Boston fans are way out of line and take it way too personally. I didn't even realize you were a Boston fan at first, Jesus, sorry I insulted your honor. Go back to believing your jackass are just as jackassery as everyone else and pretend this conversation never happened.

lennavan:Tman144: Uh-huh, think what you want, but I've never been in a verbal argument with anyone over sports, ever. This is all based on observation. Generally, the NY fans are the smug, "good luck next year, ha ha," while the Boston fans are "You suck, your town sucks, I hate all of you, blah blah." Also, my brother lives in MA and relays all the bullshiat that gets spewed on talk radio. I was going to wear my Rays shirt in Boston one day and my brother said not to, that I'd probably get shiat thrown at me if I did. Believe what you want though.

Uh-huh, think what you want but I've seen a whole farking slew of examples for a wide variety of sports and teams that agrees with WinoRhino:

WinoRhino: every team has fans that are jerks

You think getting shiat thrown at you for wearing a shirt is bad, I saw UW Badger fans literally rip the Purdue shirt off of a guy, pass it up the section and throw it out of the stadium. But yeah, Boston people are totally worse.

Good lord, I take it back then. I guess I'm just not used to Professional Sports Fans. St. Pete is a laid back place man, I can't imagine anyone stabbing someone or getting in a fight over a sports game down here. I don't know, maybe the rest of the country needs more beach days.

My Dad, being from the South Bronx, is a merciless Yankees fan who has lived in the Boston metropolitan area for over forty years. He's been to uncounted number of games at Fenway between the two teams, and he has never mentioned anything other than ribbing, good natured or otherwise, from Red Sox fans.

He's not a quiet fan either. He would go in the pre-2004 t-shirt which listed the Red Sox championship years on one side, and the massive list of Yankees championships on the other, and then remark to people how he needed to have the shirt brought in for alterations after the string of Y's victories in the late 90's.

Nana's Vibrator:Once Tampa Bay gets some fans we'll just see how they act. Zing.

I'm not going to defend assholes, I'm sure there are enough around here to leave a bad taste in people's mouths, but the worst I've ever personally seen were Baltimore fans. And if no one's paying attention, people in the Los Angeles and San Francisco/Oakland areas are murdering and being murdered for rooting for their teams.

I attend 15-20 games a year. In my experience BoSox and NYY fans are usally harmless blow hards. Granted this is in KC so I'm probaly experiencing bandwagon fans. About the only fans I've ever had trouble with or seen causing trouble was Cards fans. I've never seen a bigger group of arrogant jerks and drunks. If you can't enjoy a game sober you don't like the game.

ElwoodCuse:I guarantee awful shiat has gone down in Florida over college football.

It happens. Everywhere. And the bigger the fan base, the more likely it is to happen.

I can believe that. I'm living in Tallahassee right now and I basically avoid going anywhere with T.V.s on Sat. I went to watch the playoff game and had to wait for some other game(Miami maybe?) to finish before they would put the Rays game on (FSU had won earlier in the day, by like 60 points, to whatever high school team they were playing). They then had to put the Florida game on so everyone could boo loudly.

Tman144:You mean your completely reasonable post where you said we have no fans

The attendance at the Trop this year was last in the American League. It was last in the American League last year, It was second to last the year before that. Facts are facts. They have a good team and no one is showing up for games.

My statement: "The very few fans that showed up for games at the Trop were, for the most part, pretty good people, but there were always a few who were complete jackasses."

For the most part, my experience was good, but like all teams there were jackasses. I don't know you, and didn't call you a jackass.

Tman144:I also like the part where you have to say there "isn't much" vitriol. Why, it's only a little bit of seething hatred, don't worry. There's only a slight chance some jackass will start shiat with you for no farking reason!

The more you type, the more off the rails you go. People who call into radio shows are morons. There will always be idiot phone calls. To say there is absolutely NO CALLS that criticize another team's fan base would be inaccurate. But we're talking such a small portion it isn't even worth mentioning. But feel free to run with it if you like.

Tman144:Of course, I wore the shirt anyway and nothing happened, he was just warning me

So... your brother was engaging in hyperbole and nothing actually happened? So why did you use his warning as an example of how Red Sox fans are assholes when nothing happened?

Tman144:Look, man, I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just saying, some Boston fans are way out of line and take it way too personally. I didn't even realize you were a Boston fan at first, Jesus, sorry I insulted your honor. Go back to believing your jackass are just as jackassery as everyone else and pretend this conversation never happened.

I didn't take anything personally. My honor? Jackassery? Okay, I don't understand what's triggering your odd redaction / double-down two-step here, but the conversation is forgotten. Seriously, good luck to the Rays and enjoy the game tonight.

My statement: "The very few fans that showed up for games at the Trop were, for the most part, pretty good people, but there were always a few who were complete jackasses."

For the most part, my experience was good, but like all teams there were jackasses. I don't know you, and didn't call you a jackass.

This part: When I hear people complain about being taunted by opposing team fans, or how an entire team's fan-base is a group of assholes, it tells me everything I need to know about the person doing the complaining: they usually belong to the minority group of fans of their team that act the same way.Is calling me an asshole.

Disappointment really. We used have to have this great relationship with Boston fans, bonding over our mutual disdain for the Yankees, but now that you've won a world series, it's all gone away. I suppose it's also a reaction to us finally not sucking. As a Boston fan, I would think it's easier to cheer for the Rays when we aren't threatening to knock you out of the playoffs.

Tman144:Good lord, I take it back then. I guess I'm just not used to Professional Sports Fans. St. Pete is a laid back place man, I can't imagine anyone stabbing someone or getting in a fight over a sports game down here. I don't know, maybe the rest of the country needs more beach days.

My favorite was a story I read, probably over a decade ago now. It was like Oklahoma v. Nebraska and some guy got all stabby with another guy because he was talkin shiat about his team in a bar. It was my favorite because it turned out neither of them ever attended either of the schools. That's where it goes from stupid to Fark.com.

Actually Madison, WI is a pretty laid back place too, everyone loves it. I suppose the relevant bit I left out was the Purdue fan was sitting in the students section, so I mean, he was askin for it, dressing that way. That whore.

The Incredible Sexual Egg:iamskibibitz: I bought front row seats to a Red Sox game a couple of years ago. When my wife and I got to our seats there was another couple sitting in them and they refused to move. So we got an usher involved. They still refused to move. So the usher got a cop who threatened to arrest them. They got up, gave us the stink eye and the woman muttered "*ssholes" as she walked past us. I'm not sure who's worse: Texas A&M fans or Red Sox fans. But they're both among the worst in all of sport.

Philadelphia and Oakland fans would like a word with you

Oakland fans are scary looking... and that's about it. Red Sox and Yankee fans frequently take the cake, particularly when they invade another city's stadium with all the bandwagon and transplant fans

WinoRhino:When I hear people complain about being taunted by opposing team fans, or how an entire team's fan-base is a group of assholes, it tells me everything I need to know about the person doing the complaining: they usually belong to the minority group of fans of their team that act the same way.

At Miller Park, I have seen more poor behavior from home crowd fans than visitors, however, I now try to avoid Cubs games as we always seem to sit near several who make jackasses of themselves, with Brewers fan jackasses following suit. I have also sat near Cubs fans who were embarrassed by the way those fans were acting and even apologized on their behalf. I have only seen one Cardinal fan act like a douche, and never anyone from another team.

//I am extremely displeased with the Cardinals team, however, as most of them are obvious dickheads. And they win, which clearly makes it worse.

Tman144:Disappointment really. We used have to have this great relationship with Boston fans, bonding over our mutual disdain for the Yankees, but now that you've won a world series, it's all gone away. I suppose it's also a reaction to us finally not sucking. As a Boston fan, I would think it's easier to cheer for the Rays when we aren't threatening to knock you out of the playoffs.

But thats the thing - We were cool when you stunk. Now you're a threat to our playoff hopes. And while I will root for a AL team over a NL team, the fact your in our division means that if the Sox are out of it, you had a hand in it most likely(either by eliminating them in the regular season or in the playoffs), which makes rooting for the Rays less than appealing.

As a Sox fan, I respect you as a worthy opponent, and the things your team has done using a 1/3 of the Sox's payroll is impressive.

Publikwerks:Tman144: Disappointment really. We used have to have this great relationship with Boston fans, bonding over our mutual disdain for the Yankees, but now that you've won a world series, it's all gone away. I suppose it's also a reaction to us finally not sucking. As a Boston fan, I would think it's easier to cheer for the Rays when we aren't threatening to knock you out of the playoffs.

But thats the thing - We were cool when you stunk. Now you're a threat to our playoff hopes. And while I will root for a AL team over a NL team, the fact your in our division means that if the Sox are out of it, you had a hand in it most likely(either by eliminating them in the regular season or in the playoffs), which makes rooting for the Rays less than appealing.

As a Sox fan, I respect you as a worthy opponent, and the things your team has done using a 1/3 of the Sox's payroll is impressive.

I wouldn't be bothered by the Rays being successful if anyone in Northwest Florida actually gave a shiat about the team. They couldn't fill the stadium during the ALCS a few years ago and once again rank last in home attendance. Behind the Astros and the Marlins.

Tman144:WinoRhino: Komplex: Who is actually disputing this characterization of Red Sox Fans? The post 2004 years make this a scientific fact.

*Profile check*Yeaaaahhhh... sure it does.

It really does. I've been a rays fan since the team started, and after years of dealing with smug NY fans, I can honestly say that the vitriol spewed by Red Sox fans is way worse. Really, it's just a game. It's OK to be happy that you're good again after a hundred years, but you don't have to hate absolutely everyone you play against. It's really ridiculous.

There's a shiatton of Red Sox bandwagoners who think Ortiz never tested positive in 2003 and that he tested positive for a vitamin (lol).