KYLE ORTON IS GARBAGE. he simply cannot throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield. He threw nothing but screens and 5 yard passes and his completion percentage was still LESS than Jay Cutlers.
OWNED.

Second off, the sack stat is AMAZING. Cutler dropped back and passed like 100 more times, yet was sacked LESS?!?!?
On top of that, Defenses KNEW Cutler was passing so they were coming after him and STILL couldnt get him.
Second, Orton not only cant throw deep, but he stands in the pocket waaaay too long.

On top of that, Cutler was trying to win games because he didnt have a defense...Orton simply handed the ball off and threw short passes and still sucked. I have watched every throw Orton has ever made and he simply NOT a good QB. He could be a SERVICABLE backup, because he wont cost you a game, but he's NOT going to win a game. He's NEVER won a playoff game so quit making things up.

basically, Cutler's chances of becoming the Bears' franchise QB is a lot better than any rookie the bears could pick up with a non-top 10 pick. The bears are too good a team to, barring a meltdown, end up with a top 10 pick. So instead of blowing their picks (and $$$) on the very risky business of rookie QB's, they just up and got a guy who already proved he can carry a team.

Cutler's a definate improvement over Orton, arguiing that is just silly. Getting a franchise QB with any pick is tricky, but the odds get gradually worse as you leave the top 10, where the bears won't end up in most seasons. They wanted a franchise QB, which Orton isn't. Orton's a game manager, Cutler a game changer.

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Btw Orton has won a play off game I believe Cutler hasnt been to the play offs?

and Can anyone tell me who cutler will throw too? Where is his brandon Marshall?

Got to agree with the Kid here, Chicago waaaaaaaay overpaid for Cutler. No single player, even a franchise QB with a big red S on his chest, is worth 2 1st rounders. Angelo has mortgaged the Bears future with this hornswaggle of a trade, that's the leopard who hasn't changed his spots, Jerry Angelo made some questionable moves when he was doing the same job in Tampa Bay, the biggest thing he's done since coming to Chicago is give himself a huge raise.

Cutler threw most of those INTs btw when he was playing catchup, the worthless Denver defense put their offense in a hole too many times last season. All those sacks on him occurred b/c of playing catchup too, & the failure of the Broncos signature zone-blocking, which worked for a short while but once opponents had enough tape of it they saw how it could be overwhelmed with a pass rush. The upside for Cutler is he now has a 100% better supporting cast in Chicago including an o-line & a defense that can hold a lead once their offense goes ahead on the scoreboard.

In a nutshell, wait a few years and see if the players Denver picks are worth more than cutler. Who knows, this isnt a guarantee HOF, in the bank, superbowl like all the bears fans are making it out to be. If i didnt hate the bears i would be stoked too but it is becoming borderline homerism. They got a good quarterback, potentially great, which they obviously havent had in a minute so kudos. You never know if Cutler is going to go T.O. on your ass and **** your lockerroom.

Maybe im just sore b/c the Bears just got one of the best young qbs in the league and the annual trip to Chicago won't consist of a orton pass fluttering in the wind . . .

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People are expecting him to be some sort of alien defense-destroying robot QB and it's just not realistic.

The Bears "potentially" gave up a lot for Cutler. You cannot sit here and tell me that Denver got the better end of the deal right now. 2 first rounders are nice to get in return but they are not identified quantities, they are variables with a point value.

The only thing you can measure right now in this trade is Cutler vs Orton, and in that part of the deal we dominate.

1st Rounders have a very large bust factor and it's not a guarantee that Denver gets a stud player with those picks.

And lets be honest, Kyle Orton is not the future in Denver. He's a hold over until they can find another answer (Matt Cassel Trade Version 2.0, wouldn't surprise me to see McDouchebag try it).

In today's game you have to give something to get something and a majority of the time you do "overpay." But until those two draft picks are made there is absolutely no way in hell you can say that Denver got the better end of the deal. If they draft right then yes I would say that Denver got more value but this is all really a moot point.

The Broncos (yes, the entire organization) were absolutely ******* stupid for trading away a franchise QB, or at least trying to trade him for Matt Cassel. Look I like Cassel, I think he's going to be a good QB in this league (as long as he gets some help on offense). But regardless of what type of system you run, attempting to trade away arguably the best young QB in the game for a guy who really hasn't proven jack **** in this league is one of the worst personnel decisions I have ever seen, just think if that trade went through, you think Denver fans are up in arms now, it would have been World War III in the Mile High City.

And not to mention they had their face of the franchise for the next 10-12 years and they decided to **** it all up. Now they have to go and find another QB prospect (Orton has a chance to be a good QB, but he is definitely not a difference maker), unless they feel like he is the answer to the QB position, which I find hard to believe.

You can call Cutler a whiny baby or selfish, but none of this happens if Denver takes their heads out of their asses and realizes what they did was arguably the dumbest decision any organization has ever made with a QB. Yea, yea I know about the 18 INT's, but I also know he passed over 600 times (as did Brees and his INT numbers were high too, no one talks about that though), was on his 9th running back, and had a piss poor defense yet he got his team to finish 8-8. Great offense + horrid defense = average team and that's what they were.

So to answer your question, no they did not give up too much for Cutler. The first round picks are variables in this equation and have the potential to make the deal look better for Denver's side if they can have some success with those picks, and if they can land a guy like Raji and upgrade the defense again next year, then yea I would say that Denver got better "value" in return, but it still doesn't change the fact that they traded away a franchise QB just starting to head into the prime of his career for Kyle Orton and potentially two good players. I have a feeling Josh McDaniels' name is going to be taboo for that organization and their fans for a long, long time.

And from the Bears' side, it's a start but we need better WR's. I think the OL is solid, we have a great set of TE's, and Forte is a stud but Cutler is not going to have much success if we go into training camp with Bennett, Hester, and Davis as our top 3 WR's so I'm hoping Angelo has something up his sleeve, which I figure he does. A franchise QB can make a world of difference in terms of winning year in and year out. We aren't going to be in the Super Bowl every year but assuming Cutler progresses like he did in Denver, he's going to keep us competitive every season so long as he has some sort of help on both sides of the ball.

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Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

I dont see Cutler as a franchise QB maybe as a potential franchie qb. But far from a finihed product. I also dont see lovie being able to finish this product. Much like a great recipe in a cok book it may look good on paper but until the results are fina I think denver is up i this deal.