All religious beliefs have their own sick and twisted people, it's in their brain . It's not a matter of religious belief they were sick to begin with and will always be sick. Maybe it happen to them as a child... who knows. But abuse does not know race, religion, creed, country, etc....

I always feel horrible for those who this happen to, and I always pray God will heal their wounds.

Salome

May you have the hindsight to know where you've been
the foresight to know where you're going
and the insight to know when you're going too far.

Your belief is that the various translations contradict each other but they are actually complimentary.

I have mentioned before that many Bible studies request that you bring more then one translation to class. It actually adds a fuller deeper meaning to the verse.

That is why all of Christianity has worked to save scriptures and not burned them the way Uthman did the Quran. Muslims have no originals to compare and prove that the Quran has not changed.

KIA? MIA? It is known through history that verses were lost from the Quran before the Quran was compiled and there was war where people who had memorized the Quran were killed. Aisha talks about chapers that had more verses then were present in her day. What would be helpful to Islam is if some of the bones and leaves had been saved. Also the various copies from the companions of Mohammd had been collected and saved.

We have bits of scripture from 125AD- now remember the Scripture was written on a very fragile material so it is a miracle any of it has survived. We also have are church fathers that reference scripture in their writings.

Why not quote sources Believer.

One thing very wonderful about The Quran - The Word of God Almighty, The Creator of the whole universe is that, wherever you are, whether in China, in USA, in Sweden, in Africa, you turn to the first page and the first chapter is Al-Fatiha. And the first phrase is -

BISMILLAHIRRAHAMANIRRAHEEM - IN THE NAME OF ALLAH MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.

Unlike Christianity, a Chinese Christian will read in Chinse, an Afrikan will read in Afrikan and so on and so forth. Why is there no universality in Christianity? Because there is no original copy around.

If the God that you worship is Powerful, he would have preserve His True words could'nt he? But alas, no original Scripture of the Christians could be found. The reason none other than that it is a man-made religion.

LAILAHAILALLAH - THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH!

So sorry if I sound offensive, but this is the Truth! Allah is Al-Haqq! The Truth!

Yes, there is still original text in the world. It is written in Aramaic, Hebrew and in Greek. Ever heard of the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, which consists of roughly about 900 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.
The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they
include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents
made before 100 C.E., and preserve evidence of considerable diversity
of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism. They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE to 70 CE.[2] The scrolls are most commonly identified with the ancient Jewishsect called the Essenes, but recent scholarship has challenged their association with the scrolls.[3]

You seem very one sided here, You may want to GOOGLE questions or statements you
make, because you are not making correct ones and they coming out as
assumptions instead.

Salome

Edited by Salome - 05 May 2009 at 4:33pm

May you have the hindsight to know where you've been
the foresight to know where you're going
and the insight to know when you're going too far.

Yes, there is still original text in the world. It is written in Aramaic, Hebrew and in Greek. Ever heard of the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, which consists of roughly about 900 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.
The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they
include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents
made before 100 C.E., and preserve evidence of considerable diversity
of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism. They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE to 70 CE.[2] The scrolls are most commonly identified with the ancient Jewishsect called the Essenes, but recent scholarship has challenged their association with the scrolls.[3]

You seem very one sided here, You may want to GOOGLE questions or statements you
make, because you are not making correct ones and they coming out as
assumptions instead. Salome

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered more than 50 years ago, yet till now there are no books published on these Dead Sea Scrolls. Why is that so? I mean there is no attempt to make it into a book so that Jews and Christians could have a chance to read and understand its contents.

Why Salome?

The reason is because publishing it would not serve either the Jews nor the Christians, because the texts of these sacred writings contradicts so much what the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible are teaching. However it confirms what was written in the Quran.

More on the Dead Sea Scrolls from the perspective of a Muslim = http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/scrolls.htm

Lawrence Schiffman says regarding
Pesher Habakkuk: "It (Pesher Habakkuk) describes the struggle
between the Teacher of Righteousness and his opponents - the Man
of Lies (also termed the Spouter or Preacher of Lies) and the Wicked
Priest. The Spouter is pictured as heading a community. The dispute
between the Teacher and the Spouter is seems to have been based
on matters of religious interpretation and law. The Wicked Priest
is said to have begun his rule in truth but then to have abandoned
the way of truth. He then persecutes the Teacher, confronting him
on the holiest day of the year, the Day of Atonement" (Reclaiming
the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 228).

This prophesy also continues in Pesher
Psalms: "This text also mentions the familiar dramatis personae:
the Teacher of Righteousness, termed 'the priest'; the wicked priest;
and the Man of Lies. The Wicked Priest persecuted the Teacher and
sought to kill him. The man of lies lead people astray" (Reclaiming
the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 229). What we
begin to see in all of this is the story of the coming of Jesus
(peace be upon him), his selection of Judas as one of the apostles,
the deviance of Judas from the truth, how a sect of the Jews persecuted
Jesus (peace be upon him), how this sect tried to deceive the masses
and differed with Jesus (peace be upon him) regarding the truth
of God's message, and finally, how they schemed with Judas to kill
Jesus (peace be upon him). The Teacher of Righteousness is thus
a reference to Jesus (peace be upon him); the "priestly"
Messiah. The Wicked Priest is a reference to Judas, and the Spouter
of Lies is most likely the leader of the "chief priests and
Pharisees" who persecuted Jesus (peace be upon him) and are
mentioned so often in the Bible.

Many Christian scholars have snatched
up these prophesies in order to prove the validity of their claim
that Jesus (peace be upon him) was indeed sent by God and that the
Jews are required to follow him. However, they have been thwarted
in their attempts by one other quite amazing piece of evidence that
the Jews continually manage to refute their claims with, specifically,
that the Dead Sea Scrolls claim that the coming messiah will be
persecuted and that the Wicked Priest will try to kill him, but
that the Wicked Priest will not be successful and that it is he
who will receive the fate he wished for the messiah.

In interpreting Psalms 37:32:
"The Wicked watches for the righteous, seeking to put him to
death," the text states: 'Its interpretation concerns the Wicked
Priest who watched out for the Teacher of Righteousness and sought
to put him to death'" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls,
Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 233). So Judas will try to kill Jesus
(peace be upon him).

"The Wicked Priest began his
career with the support of the sectarians, but he quickly lost his
way and began to transgress in order to increase his wealth"
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 233).

"And said unto them, What
will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted
with him for thirty pieces of silver". (Matthew 26:15)

"Various theories have sought
to identify the Teacher with Jesus, claiming that he was executed
by the Wicked Priest. However, had that been the case, the text
would not have gone on to explain how God took vengeance against
the priest by turning him over to the 'ruthless ones of the nations'.
And according to this text, the teacher certainly survived the ambush.
Indeed the entire passage is an interpretation of Psalms (37:33)
where the text continues:

"The Lord will not abandon him
(the Righteous), into his hand (the Wicked); He (The Lord) will
not let him (the Righteous) be condemned in judgement (by the wicked)."
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp.
233-234).

The author goes on to quote Pesher
Habakkuk with regard to the Wicked Priest's intentions and his punishment.
He says: "Ultimately, however, the Wicked Priest was punished:
'.. because of his transgression against the Teacher of Righteousness
and the men of his council, God gave him over to the hands of his
enemies to afflict him with disease so as to destroy him with mortal
suffering because he had acted wickedly against His chosen one'.

The Wicked Priest's enemies tortured
him which represents divine punishment for his attacks on the Teacher
of Righteousness. The sufferings of the Wicked Priest are even more
graphically described in another passage: 'and all his enemies arose
and abused him in order for his suffering to be fit punishment for
his evil. And they inflicted upon him horrible diseases, and acts
of vengeance in the flesh of his body'. But the one who suffered
was the Wicked Priest, not the Teacher of Righteousness.

"The enemies of the Wicked Priest,
the nation against whom he had made war, are said to have tortured
him, so that his life ended in mortal disease and affliction."
(Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, p. 234).
If we read the Gospel of Barnabas, we will find that when Judas
came with the Roman troops in order to betray Jesus (peace be upon
him), God raised Jesus (peace be upon him) unto Him and saved him.
He then made Judas look and even speak like Jesus (peace be upon
him) so that the Romans dragged him (Judas) away with them kicking
and screaming that he was not Jesus (peace be upon him) but Judas.
Even the Apostles were totally bewildered.

After the Romans had their fill afflicting
Judas with all manner of abuse and torture, he was finally taken
to trial. By now he had totally given up hope of ever being believed.
So now when he was asked, "art thou Jesus?" He replied
"Thou sayest". In other words, "you will not believe
me if I say otherwise, so why fight it any more". His enemies
(the Romans) then took him, mocked him, kicked him, cut him, spat
on him, humiliated him, and tortured him. Finally, they put him
up on the cross. It appears, however, that shortly after they took
him down, he disappeared from his tomb (maybe to live in disease
and torment and die later on if he was not already dead). The Gospel
of Barnabas then goes on to describe how Jesus (peace be upon him)
returned to the apostles to tell them of how God had saved him from
the hands of the Jews and the Romans and how the traitor (Judas)
was taken instead.

This is exactly what the Qur'an has
been saying for 1400 years now; that Jesus (peace be upon him) was
not forsaken by God to be killed by the conspiracy of the Jews and
Judas, but that "it was made to appear so to them":

"But when
Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be
my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be
Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear you witness that
we have surrendered (unto Him). Our Lord! We believe in that which
You have revealed and we follow him whom You have sent. Enrol us
among those who witness (to the truth). And they (the disbelievers)
schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best
of schemers"

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