Well, guess what? None of those descriptions describe any of us here. So calling us things lying.
Unless you can prove any of those things, you are lying.
Just because we know the science does not make us part of your paranoia.
So, until then, we are debunkers. Any other description is inferred to be negative therefore is both a lie and defamation, if we wanted to go that
far. Do you?

Originally posted by Adyta
If any forum should be shut down, it's the dream / prediction forum. Nobody cares that you had a dream Obama was from another planet and he is
secretly pilfering this planet of it's sea salts.

It's such an absurd forum.

If that was closed down then they would flood too other boards pertaining to what they had in their dream. I think we'd all rather have them in one,
nice, ignorable forum.

Please do not lie about your sources, it discredits your theory. Not once in your article does it even allude to these "picks" being "analysed"
by pilots.

Want to know why?

Because every single last picture in your source is a contrail, and any professional would explain them as they are.

Which would destroy the myth of "chemtrails" that they are trying to push.

Which is why none of these claims are backed by any evidence other than pictures of contrails.

Nice try child, but lying is bad karma.

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Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
Take a look at this video guys, will be pretty hard to deny this plane isn't spraying some kind of crap.....low altitude twin prop plane spewing crap
out of the back.

The main products of hydrocarbon fuel combustion are carbon dioxide and water vapor. At high altitudes this water vapour emerges into a cold
environment, and the local increase in water vapor can push the water content of the air past saturation point. The vapour then condenses into tiny
water droplets and/or deposits into ice. These millions of tiny water droplets and/or ice crystals form the vapour trail or contrails. The vapor's
need to condense accounts for the contrail forming some way behind the aircraft's engines. At high altitudes, supercooled water vapor requires a
trigger to encourage deposition or condensation. The exhaust particles in the aircraft's exhaust act as this trigger, causing the trapped vapor to
rapidly turn to ice crystals. Exhaust vapour trails or contrails usually occur above 8000 meters (26,000 feet), where the temperature is below -40�C
(-40�F).[3]

Condensation from decreases in pressure

Main article: Wingtip vortices

As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist
in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and
make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing flaps
of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.

The visible cores of wingtip vortices contrast with the other major type of contrails which are caused by the combustion of fuel. Contrails produced
from jet engine exhaust are seen at high altitude, directly behind each engine. By contrast, the visible cores of wingtip vortices are usually seen
only at low altitude where the aircraft is travelling slowly after takeoff or before landing, and where the ambient humidity is higher. They trail
behind the wingtips and wing flaps rather than behind the engines.

During high-thrust settings the fan blades at the intake of a turbo-fan engine reach transonic speeds, causing a sudden drop in air pressure. This
creates the condensation fog (inside the intake) which is often observed by air travelers during takeoff. For more information see the
Prandtl%u2013Glauert singularity effect.

Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
Take a look at this video guys, will be pretty hard to deny this plane isn't spraying some kind of crap.....low altitude twin prop plane spewing crap
out of the back.

Would you like to me to knock down every photo on that site, to explain the (mostly) wrong captions underneath them??

(The first one, at least, is correct.....it is the circular spraying apparatus on the tail boom of the KC-135. That same image, however, is
still used on many, many "chem"-trail sites as 'proof'!! It sprays water!!)

A casual scan of the rest? Well, I don't know who this alleged "pilot" is that is responsible for those 'descriptions', but he/she is
either pulling people's legs or just incredibly inexperienced (and stupid).

Although of course, they are patterns in the common sense of the word. See:

Yes, actually I was using the more general sense of the word, not a pilot's interpretation of a pattern.

I guess my point was simply, that, while it's good information, it wasn't really drawing anything conclusive other than the amount of traffic at a
given time, but nothing to substantiate one way or another the existence of chem-trails. Would that sound reasonable?

Although of course, they are patterns in the common sense of the word. See:

Yes, actually I was using the more general sense of the word, not a pilot's interpretation of a pattern.

I guess my point was simply, that, while it's good information, it wasn't really drawing anything conclusive other than the amount of traffic at a
given time, but nothing to substantiate one way or another the existence of chem-trails. Would that sound reasonable?

I'm not trying to disprove chemtrails. I'm refuting the various pieces of evidence. One thing that people bring up as evidence is that they don't
think they are under a flight path, hence the trails they see are suspicious. This recording of radar tracks simply demonstrates that piece of
evidence to be wrong. It shows that planes fly over pretty much every square mile of the US, and often in overlapping patterns.

Specifically it was posted to counter this account, which presumably was being offered in support of the theory:

Originally posted by Tecumte
Another beautiful morning here in Mid-Missouri absolutely ZERO nasty looking chemtrails, not even a wispy contrail, two mornings in a row, yippeee,
where have all the chemplanes gone, are they out trying to create a hurricane somewhere else in order to cause more damage for profit, more flooding
for control and land theft, more destruction of food croops to drive up prices, don't know but at least my skies this morning look great, sunny, and
even the birds are singing. Gonna get out and get some sun before they come back, with all of the chemtrailing going on, a sunny blue sky day here has
become an almost rare occurence, and I'm over a hundred miles from any major airport, best enjoy it while the sun is out.

So it points out that being 100 miles from an airport is wrong evidence of the trails being odd.

All the evidence that supports the chemtrail theory can be shown to be wrong. Eventually you are left with no evidence. If there's no evidence to
support a theory, then there's no need to present any evidence to disprove it.

All the evidence that supports the chemtrail theory can be shown to be wrong. Eventually you are left with no evidence. If there's no evidence to
support a theory, then there's no need to present any evidence to disprove it.

Do you think there's good evidence to support the chemtrail theory?

I have been a staunch supporter of it being a NON-conspiracy. I'm far too pragmatic to state that it's impossible, but I think highly unlikely.

From a scientific point of view, simply knowing upper air dynamics and physics in general, con-trails are easy to conceptualize. However, chemical
dispersal over a WIDE audience on purpose (because I do believe this would be the accusation here) is not one that can be reasoned by science.
To prove THAT, would take an admission by an extremely large group of conspirators.

What some (I think) fail to realize is that because of the aforementioned air dynamics, (like in meteorology) determining an exact path that these
"chemicals" would follow are nigh impossible so, inadvertently they would also be potentially subjecting themselves to the same "chemicals" they
are accused of implementing. Pretty ridiculous reasoning if you ask me.

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