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And just because Misty might have won, doesn't mean Ash doesn't deserve the badge.

And just because Ash beat one Pokémon and could've won he deserved it? Sorry it doesn't work that way.

You earn the badge by winning the battle. This badge was essentially a "Thanks for being a good kid and saving the Pokémon" badge. Calamity already brought up the fact that Pikachu didn't want to battle so there's no point in brining it up since it wouldn't play a factor.

Also, Ash sucked back then if you didn't notice. He was a new trainer just like Misty so it's not as though he was leagues better. Take into consideration that she knew more about battling and Pokémon it's doubtful one could make the case that he was that much better than her especially in a Water-type gym without Pikachu.

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And just because Ash beat one Pokémon and could've won he deserved it? Sorry it doesn't work that way.

You earn the badge by winning the battle. This badge was essentially a "Thanks for being a good kid and saving the Pokémon" badge. Calamity already brought up the fact that Pikachu didn't want to battle so there's no point in brining it up since it wouldn't play a factor.

Also, Ash sucked back then if you didn't notice. He was a new trainer just like Misty so it's not as though he was leagues better. Take into consideration that she knew more about battling and Pokémon it's doubtful one could make the case that he was that much better than her especially in a Water-type gym without Pikachu.

Are you kidding? She treated pokemon like crap back then.

I disagree with the people saying Misty would have won. Ash would have definitely won if Pikachu wasn't a scaredy cat. He even had a great chance of winning without Pikachu. Pidgeotto was a strong pokemon back then. I think it could take down Staryu and Goldeen without it being unrealistic.

I would have liked this episode better if Pikachu wanted to battle, and Ash actually beat Misty. 5/10

Ash, Misty, and Brock arrive in Cerulean City, but Brock and Misty leave Ash, so Ash heads to Cerulean Gym on his own. Ash sees a synchronized swimming show being performed by three sisters Daisy, Violet and Lily who are also the gym leaders. They decide to give Ash the badge because they don't have enough Pokemon for a proper battle, when Misty shows up and reveals that she is their younger sister, challenging Ash in her sister's place. It's pretty even between the 2 in their match, Ash lost Butterfree to Staryu but Misty lost Starmie to Pidgeotto. Team Rocket decides to drain the pool to steal the gym's Pokemon, Pikachu defeats them, and a combination of saving the gym and the sister's acknowledgement that Misty would have been stomped by Ash if Pikachu didn't refuse to battle her nets him the Cascade Badge. Brock shows up afterwards and the 3 leave the city.

However, Butterfree was never defeated. It was in the water, but not unable to battle, Ash could've sent it out again if he wanted to. Not like Chikorita against Bugsy: Ash said "I'll keep Chikorita for later" when Chikorita got defeated and the referee declared it unable to battle.

I think Ash should've never gotten the badge, he didn't deserve it. Ash and Misty just should've resumed the fight after Team Rocket left: Ash didn't use Pidgeotto or Butterfree and Misty didn't use Staryu against Team Rocket, so there wouldn't be tiredness issues and inequalities compared to the moment when the battle was interrupted.

Pikachu being unwilling to battle was funny. But good, Butterfree and Pidgeotto doing their best are more useful in battle than Pikachu who didn't want to battle Misty.

For the people that continuously claim that Ash didn't deserve to win this badge, I implore them to read the first page and read that analysis

But aside from that, the episode was really, really, really solid. It's overall plot-line was interesting and the events that happened during this episode were enjoyable to watch. I still wonder what "stuff" Brock had to do just before Ash went to the gym. My guesstimate is that it must have been getting some supplies or something mandatory that requires Brock to leave the posse for awhile.

"You're not using a Pokemon that would sweep the other's person's team? You should win the badge for doing so? Take out the opponents strongest Pokemon? That's an automatic win for you."

Just like the show has always taught the kids.

Maybe you didn't read the analysis of Gryphon on the first page. Therefore, I will re-quote it for you.

Originally Posted by Gryphon Turboclaw

Here's a reality check for anyone and everyone that seriously thinks Ash only got this badge due to pity:

I also have the tape, and it's pretty clear that Ash earned that Cascade Badge(no matter how much Misty and her fans whine about it). Two things Daisy stated to Misty should help clarify this(both in the same sentence):

"Pikachu was the one that, like, saved us all, and if Ash had used Pikachu from the start, there was no way that your water pokemon could have won."

Also consider that Pikachu was *ordered* by Ash to blow away TR, and it was ultimately Ash himself that stopped their machine. On top of *that*, Ash had gotten ahead of Misty 1-0 in their match. (Butterfree being recalled *before* Misty's Staryu could finish it off, Staryu getting recalled when Ash sent out Pidgeotto, and her Stamie getting the same treatment from Pidgeotto that Spoiler:

Ash's Pikachu would get three years later from E4 Drake's Shellgon

!) Since Misty's strongest pokemon---Starmie---had just been Whirlwinded out of commission by a still-raring-to-go Pidgeotto, she would have been forced to use her Staryu---this was 2vs2---against an opponent who was now wise to her tactics. Even if---and that's a *huge* if---Pidgeotto had eventually gone down, Staryu would have had to deal with a now-rested Butterfree(who, IIRC, knew some of the same Flying attacks that Pidgeotto had)!

Originally Posted by Gryphon Turboclaw

The only pity in that scene was for Misty, not for Ash...Daisy knew that Ash would have prevealed, despite her younger sister's sabotage(Misty certainly didn't pass up on the opportunity to use her bond with Ash's Pikachu against Ash himself).

1. Misty sabotaged a possible KO for her by using her bond with Ash's Pikachu. If Pikachu - hypothetically - wasn't affected by this sabotage and did participate in the match, Misty wouldn't stand a chance because of the humongous type-advantage Pikachu got against Misty's water Pokémon. This is evident by the statement from Daisy:

Originally Posted by Gryphon Turboclaw

"Pikachu was the one that, like, saved us all, and if Ash had used Pikachu from the start, there was no way that your water pokemon could have won."

2. As Gryphon thoroughly explained in his analyse, Misty had no chance of winning. Ash was 1-0 ahead and both Butterfree and Pidgeotto were still in battle-shape. If - hypothetically - the match was to be continued after Team Rocket was blasted away, the chances of a victory for Misty were zero to none.

Ash showed clear dominance in this match. Ash rightfully deserved this badge. The only person(s) to blame for the way of Ash getting this badge is: Team Rocket. There are plenty of indications before Team Rocket even arrived that Ash was clearly superior (As explained in Gryphons analyse).

Maybe you didn't read the analysis of Gryphon on the first page. Therefore, I will re-quote it for you.

Back at you.

Originally Posted by it

"Pikachu was the one that, like, saved us all, and if Ash had used Pikachu from the start, there was no way that your water pokemon could have won."

"Ash didn't use Pikachu. But if he did he would've won." But he didn't so it doesn't matter since gym battles are decided between the Pokemon used in battle and not the Pokemon not in the battle.

Originally Posted by it

Also consider that Pikachu was *ordered* by Ash to blow away TR, and it was ultimately Ash himself that stopped their machine.

Irrelevant.

On top of *that*, Ash had gotten ahead of Misty 1-0 in their match. (Butterfree being recalled *before* Misty's Staryu could finish it off, Staryu getting recalled when Ash sent out Pidgeotto, and her Stamie getting the same treatment from Pidgeotto that Ash's Pikachu would get three years later from E4 Drake's Shellgon!) Since Misty's strongest pokemon---Starmie---had just been Whirlwinded out of commission by a still-raring-to-go Pidgeotto, she would have been forced to use her Staryu---this was 2vs2---against an opponent who was now wise to her tactics. Even if---and that's a *huge* if---Pidgeotto had eventually gone down, Staryu would have had to deal with a now-rested Butterfree(who, IIRC, knew some of the same Flying attacks that Pidgeotto had)!

2-1 disadvantage is nothing unheard of in the anime and it has been overcome before. Also, solely because Misty's strongest Pokemon was taken out doesn't mean anything. Pikachu has been beaten in battle before but I don't see Ash losing most battle because of that.

1. Misty sabotaged a possible KO for her by using her bond with Ash's Pikachu. If Pikachu - hypothetically - wasn't affected by this sabotage and did participate in the match, Misty wouldn't stand a chance because of the humongous type-advantage Pikachu got against Misty's water Pokémon. This is evident by the statement from Daisy:

First off, Pikachu was the one that didn't want to battle in the first place. Misty did jack-**** to manipulate it. Secondly, battles are decided between the Pokemon in the battle and not the sidelines. Unless, we want to take away Ash's final frontier symbol since Brandon didn't use all of the Regi.

2. As Gryphon thoroughly explained in his analyse, Misty had no chance of winning. Ash was 1-0 ahead and both Butterfree and Pidgeotto were still in battle-shape. If - hypothetically - the match was to be continued after Team Rocket was blasted away, the chances of a victory for Misty were zero to none.

Except 1-0 leads have been lost and anything could've happened. Ash has gone up in battles where he dominated early but lost in the end anyway. If we want to play hypothetical situations, Misty could of surged back with Staryu.

Ash showed clear dominance in this match. Ash rightfully deserved this badge. The only person(s) to blame for the way of Ash getting this badge is: Team Rocket. There are plenty of indications before Team Rocket even arrived that Ash was clearly superior (As explained in Gryphons analyse).

Read above silly.

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