(30-01-2017 03:32 PM)kineo Wrote: And we're saddled with this fuckery for 4 years. Even if he's impeached, won't we have to deal with his shitty VP? Pence is just as terrible as Trump, just less outwardly stupid.

Pence is far more frightening. He knows how to push through an even more sinister agenda legally and quietly. Trump is literally asking to be impeached by governing by fiat. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans had paid him off to take a fall all along just to make their twisted agenda more palatable by comparison.

(30-01-2017 03:32 PM)kineo Wrote: And we're saddled with this fuckery for 4 years. Even if he's impeached, won't we have to deal with his shitty VP? Pence is just as terrible as Trump, just less outwardly stupid.

Pence is far more frightening. He knows how to push through an even more sinister agenda legally and quietly. Trump is literally asking to be impeached by governing by fiat. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans had paid him off to take a fall all along.

The only decent chance is changing the house and senate 2 years from now.

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(30-01-2017 03:35 PM)GirlyMan Wrote: Pence is far more frightening. He knows how to push through an even more sinister agenda legally and quietly. Trump is literally asking to be impeached by governing by fiat. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans had paid him off to take a fall all along.

The only decent chance is changing the house and senate 2 years from now.

Impeachment proceedings will take at least that long. And it keeps them too busy to do any irreversible damage.

(30-01-2017 03:32 PM)kineo Wrote: And we're saddled with this fuckery for 4 years. Even if he's impeached, won't we have to deal with his shitty VP? Pence is just as terrible as Trump, just less outwardly stupid.

Pence is far more frightening. He knows how to push through an even more sinister agenda legally and quietly.

There is that, no argument with it.

But Pence is unlikely to trigger a nuclear exchange because someone, somewhere, got under his skin. Trump is weak, thin-skinned and spineless, which, IMO, makes him more apt to lash out at some perceived offence. And with the nuclear football within arm's reach, that lashing out could have globally disastrous consequences.

(30-01-2017 03:32 PM)kineo Wrote: And we're saddled with this fuckery for 4 years. Even if he's impeached, won't we have to deal with his shitty VP? Pence is just as terrible as Trump, just less outwardly stupid.

We need a recall mechanism at that level.

We have to remember that what we observe is not nature herself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning ~ Werner Heisenberg

(30-01-2017 03:32 PM)kineo Wrote: And we're saddled with this fuckery for 4 years. Even if he's impeached, won't we have to deal with his shitty VP? Pence is just as terrible as Trump, just less outwardly stupid.

Pence is far more frightening. He knows how to push through an even more sinister agenda legally and quietly. Trump is literally asking to be impeached by governing by fiat. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans had paid him off to take a fall all along just to make their twisted agenda more palatable by comparison.

No doubt, Pence scares me as much or more than Trump. Pence is the man behind the curtain. Pence, and the rest of the cabinet. Trump is just the figurehead.