Sorry for this being my follow-up to going so long without posting something; I just felt like I had to get it off my chest.

To explain my case here, I am NOT trying to say that the days before the internet were the "good ol' days" when no one complained about stuff getting popular (backlash has always been a thing). However, what I'm seeing is that even today, stuff that got popular decades ago is praised as being "almost flawless" while movies that got just as popular 2 years ago are being constantly referred to as "overrated," criticized for things that earlier movies had (sometimes in greater abundance), and accused of sucking by people who openly admit to never even seeing the movie. And please bear in mind that I'm not talking about people who have legitimate problems with the movie and make their point clear with a polite "I really didn't like that movie, but it's cool if other people do." I'm talking about all the insecure nostalgia-whiners and hipster wannabes who jump on the "This-thing-is-popular-so-I'll-hate-it" bandwagon and leave comments like "Frozen SUCKED!" or "Adventure Time SUCKED!" without going into ANY detail as to why and clearly only saying such things because they think that hating something that is popular makes them a little special snowflake when they don't seem to realize just how popular hating popular things is. Basically, the people who make me feel bad for the people who actually have substantial criticism for certain things, because for some reason the blind haters are the ones who get the most upvotes in comment sections across the net.

And not only that, but it works the other way around as well. If you were to call Frozen overrated, the whole internet would agree with you. But if you called The Lion King overrated, you would be slammed and accused of being too stupid to understand what the movie was truly about. Don't you think that the people who like Frozen over TLK might have legitimate reasons for it as well? Don't you think that maybe your nostalgia is getting in the way of seeing other points of view? Honestly, I can say with utmost assurance that if The Lion King came out during the internet age, people would be saying: "OMG I hate TLK! It's sooo overrated and a colossal ripoff of Kimba the White Lion! Anime all the way! <3"

This must of been what old people used to say about Disney Renaissance Movies when the first came out.... along with everything else that's different from when they were younger. OLD PEOPLE HATE EVERYTHING!!!

That's totally fair. Some people just don't like things, and having valid reasons or even no reasons at all I don't see as a leap in logic. I personally just have serious issues when it comes to either beating a dead horse or insulting the fanbase in some fashion (especially when these people prove that they themselves can't take criticisms of stuff they do like).

This is what annoys me about Disney 90s kids, they always love The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and The Lion King while giving no reason for why they love it so much, but when it comes to Frozen, they lose their minds and hate it for stupid reasons. I like to think of it has double standards.

What gets me is that they will get mad at the most trivial things in Frozen but won't let anyone say ANYTHING negative about, say, The Lion King. And I straight-up don't even get most of Frozen's criticisms. "It's never explained how Elsa got her powers." Well, it's never explained in TLK how Scar's reign caused a drought, but nobody seems to care. It's called Disney logic.

Some of these Frozen haters I have to admit are a bunch of whiny, hypocritical, insecure little crybabies who just seem to hate on something for the sake of hating because they can't find anything better to do with their lives or even get a life, and leave other fans of that film alone. If some of them want to dislike it, fine. But if some want to love it, why bother insulting and ridiculing them over liking what they hate personally just because these haters seem to have serious, hateful issues about everything in life? Yes, there have always been classics in the past, but that doesn't mean studios can't still be making them today. I"d rather stick to films like "Frozen, Tangled, Rise of the Guardians" etc than garbage like Twilight.

Even if Frozen is not a perfect movie all the way, I will not go around wasting half my life insulting or bullying other people for thinking differently about movies I love or don't love. Sometimes I'll only shout back at someone if they act rude or meanspirited to me or my friends for no real reason and then block them. I hope I didn't sound cruel on the first paragraph, but that is how some of those users on Youtube were behaving.

My major problem with the Frozen haters is that a lot of them will attack trivial details in order to try and convince people they shouldn't like the movie but then will get angry when someone doesn't like their favorite movie. I see Frozen compared to The Lion King a lot (I guess because they are Disney's highest grossing movies), and you wouldn't believe the crap that goes down. If someone likes Frozen, they're a tool, but if someone doesn't like TLK, they're too stupid to get it or whatever. If they don't like the movie, they should just not watch the movie. Why has it turned into bigger flamebait than religion and veganism combined?

And honestly, people who think that everything was better back in the day are so goddamn shortsighted. Media hasn't gotten worse over time; we are only remembering what stuck around. There was just as much garbage in the 90's and backward as there is now, it just faded into oblivion. Seriously, people accuse their parents/grandparents of being nags when they complain about the youth and modern trends but then do the exact same thing, what with accusing six-year-olds of being stupid or "deprived" because they didn't see Shrek in theaters and don't know what a Gameboy is.

I watch a lot of Doug Walker's reviews, and it's astounding what his "fans" make him put up with. They attacked him on Facebook for giving Frozen a positive review, and when he reviewed TLK (he basically said he thought it was overrated but still a good movie), they bashed him for not saying that the movie was perfect and had no flaws. They even spewed shit like "The Lion King can NEVER be overrated!" and some people even used the old "You weren't a kid when it came out so you wouldn't understand" excuse, which always confused me because if anything, that argument only further proves his point.

Yes, movies, video games...I've seen this happen with music as well. There's always going to be this stigma that the past is always better, and it's going to lead to a biased, hypocritical, and contradictory perception of what's currently popular.

Seriously, I seem to remember there being quite a few 70's/80's/90's songs about sex (and probably a lot before that, just in innuendo, and what is considered tame by our standards used to be as racy as big boobs and twerking are now), so I don't get this idea that songs about sex are a new thing.

Not to mention they only say that music is worse now because they violently skew their argument by comparing the "best" of the past to the "worst" of today and taking things out of context. Using their logic, I could say, "Music is so much better now than it used to be. Now we have music that really means something, like Macklemore advocating gay rights. Back then it was nothing but The Beatles singing 'goo-goo-g-joob.'"

But I honestly doubt that means that people's tastes are worse now than they were back in the day. The only reason why music from way back when sounds more appealing is because we remember those who transcended the decades. We don't remember the one-hit-wonders that probably made people in the 80's pine for music from the 50's and 60's. I believe with utmost certainty that 30 years from now, people will be looking back on select songs from today and see this generation as the glory days of music while they hate on whatever's popular in that time.

Actually, I can assure you that people WERE saying The Lion King was a overrated Kimba rip off before the internet XDAnd the only thing in the "hated" section I do dislike i Frozen but I'm no hipster. I have actual concerns with the movie. Long list of concerns XD

Well, if that's the case that's actually kind of reassuring. Then again, it just means the cycle will continue, and twenty years from now everyone will be talking about what a perfect masterpiece Frozen was while shitting on whatever just came out for no reason.

I don't think Frozen is a perfect movie, but I don't think any movie is a perfect movie, and no amount of nostalgia is going to change that. I was practically born and raised on The Lion King, but I still feel it has a lot of glaring flaws that would cause people to throw a temper tantrum if I ever said what they were. It's one thing when people have legitimate concerns with Frozen, it's another when people become borderline bullies when critics say they like it, or say it's the worst film ever made with no other argument beyond "It's popular so hating it makes me cool and edgy," or when I saw people telling a critic to go eat a bag of dicks because he thought TLK was overrated (despite still saying he liked it), and their most solid argument being "You weren't a kid when it came out so you wouldn't understand" (as if that's a solid argument for any movie).

people are talking about how much a masterpiece Frozen is now XD But I know what you mean. It's kind of a natural circle of order. No matter what time period it is, everything from childhood will seem better and everything current will suck by comparison. It's been like this forever. The internet just makes it more obvious XDHowever, it seems lately that 90s children seem to be the worst about it >_>

Yeah, I can't stand either extremes. But then, I can't stand extremes in general.

It seems to me that mainstream audiences are treating Frozen like a masterpiece, but the people on the internet act like it's the movie equivalent of cancer. When can I find a place where I can relate to an opinion? >_<

It could be that 90's kids are just being obnoxious about it at their current age, and that the Generation X-ers and Baby Boomers used to act this way in decades past, we just didn't have the internet to make us painfully aware of it. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that 90's kids as well as the current generation are being raised in a society where they're being told that they're little prodigies who are always right, to the point where they have no idea how to handle a differing opinion. But I really don't know, I could just be over-analyzing it with politics.

Extremes are quite possibly my most hated things, and boy is the internet loaded with them. Humans have been around for thousands of years, and they still don't understand that both extremes of any issue are toxic and that fighting one extreme with another is just going to solve one problem and cause another. I've seen it happen, and people don't understand that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's definitely been oversaturated, but I don't think it was that bad. And it's not people who didn't like Frozen that annoy me, just this whole "People like a thing so I'll hate the thing and be superior" mentality.

Fun fact: Before Frozen was released, almost all of the internet was calling old 2D Disney films overrated. When Frozen was released, they were suddenly defending it, and calling Frozen overrated... LOGIC, YOURE DOING IT WRONG.

I understand if people dont like a certain movie/show/game/etc., but calling it overrated, almost insulting the people who likes them (not just fanboys, but people who JUST likes them), and saying that they are the "Keepers of good entertaiment", mostly based on nostalgia, makes their "opinions" pretty much worthless.

Heck, there was this guy called ToonEguy (i think) who pretty much says that "If you like Frozen or any other Disney CGI movie, you are not a TRUE Disney fan" and he forbids any kind of fanart in his group that is not about 2D films.

There are things that i dont like, but everyones else does, but thats it, and i see why people likes them, i let them emjoy them. Thats why i hate, hate, HATE, the word "Overrated".

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to jump on the hate bandwagon because hating a certain movie has become the "in" thing to do, or just because they have a superiority complex and think that not liking something that a lot of other people like somehow gives them a better taste in media. Not to mention all the hypocrites who criticize movies they don't like to the core but can't handle when someone else criticizes a movie they do like. One example I see a lot of is when people compare Frozen to The Lion King, because it's the highest grossing Disney movie since then. People will rip Frozen apart and insult people who like it, but get angry when someone says ANYTHING bad about TLK.

On the subject, Doug Walker (aka the Nostalgia Critic) once did a brief review on The Lion King, calling it overrated but still saying he thought it was a good movie. People freaked out at him, saying bullshit like "Lion King can NEVER be overrated!" and basically accusing him of not interpreting the movie properly. Funny, since these seem to be the same people who complain about fanboys blindly loving stuff like MLP and 3D Disney movies. I think a major problem is that a lot of people think that overrated=bad, so they probably don't even know what they're talking about when they use the term.

I actually think The Lion King and Frozen are both overrated. Of course, overrated does not mean bad. I think of it as more "doesn't live up to the hype." I was 7 years old in 1994, and just like Frozen is now, The Lion King was EVERYWHERE. I think my mom took my older brother and me to see it at least four times in the theater. Thinking back to it now, I really don't consider it one of Disney's best. Of course, that doesn't make it bad; just not one of the best.

Same with Frozen (I didn't like it. The best way I can describe it is that it's a movie with beautiful animation and backgrounds that tries to tell a good story, but the main characters are morons, so it backfires. But that's just my opinion, and how I felt it didn't live up to the hype).

That's much my thoughts exactly. Honestly, I have a philosophy that everything can be and is overrated to some extent. To me, "overrated" in its most basic definition is when someone or a group of people who blindly love something refuse to acknowledge its flaws. Likewise, something that's underrated is when someone/people blindly hate something and refuse to acknowledge what it's doing right. But in reality, every movie has a balance of both.

What gets me about the whole Lion King/Frozen thing is that people will nitpick Frozen down to the core but freak out when someone makes one statement about TLK. Or stuff like when people say, "I prefer TLK, Frozen didn't do anything new or different." Well...what exactly did TLK do that was so groundbreaking then? And why do I keep hearing people praise it as Disney's finest without going into detail as to why and saying it has no plotholes without explaining a few points that I think are gaping plotholes? Much the same can be said about Frozen, but the internet seems way more likely to agree with Frozen being overhyped than TLK, which comes off to me as a bunch of people stroking their nostalgia while ratting on the younger generation. But overall, I think Frozen's hype has the misfortune over TLK of coming out during the internet age...

I'm finding that a lot of my opinions on Lion King and Frozen are pretty much the same: pretty to look at, the climaxes are stupid, they're good movies but they're both overhyped, and the songs are hit-and-miss.

Another thing that is certainly NOT helping with all of this: The fact that many YouTube channels (like CinemaSins, Honest Trailers, HowItShouldHaveEnded and YourMoviesSuck), all made their very first videos regarding animated movies, talking about (suprise, surprise) Frozen.

Come on!! They cant made videos making fun of animated movies like Hoodwinked, the Ice Age sequels, Free Birds, Hotel Transylvania, Cars 2 or even friggin Chicken Little (you know, actually BAD movies), but the most popular animated movie in recent years, highest-grossing animated movie of all time, Academy Award winning, loved by everyone? "Sure, why the hell not? Its popular, so we make a video about it to increase our popularity by nitpicking the hell outta it!!"

And what do you find in the comments? "OVERRATED SHIT, OVERRATED SHIT, YOURE AN IDIOT FOR LIKING THIS KIDS MOVIE!!11! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS MOVIE IS SHIT!!"

The worst part is that almost all of those comments have insane ammounts of upvotes, but the comments that are actually more sensical (either someone who likes/loves the movie or someone who does not but at least says that is not made for him or anything like that) ...barely any attention or the respond them with insults or trying to be smartasses by pointing "plotholes" like it was Breaking Bad written by Orson Welles (meaning, a movie/show that is complex and more adult, where those problems are more noticeable because the story is meant to be analized more in detail... we are talking about a Disney musical for kids based on a fairy tale, for Christ sake!! Sure, the story is full of hidden elements that are more symbolic and makes the movie more deep for many... but thats not the case with those guys)

If this is how "opinions" are nowadays, then i dont want to live in this planet anymore.