Please let this be true. I just want an owner who actually cares about winning and will take an active role in building a team-and not tolerate losing anymore. Maybe somebody local who would take pride in the team for once.

How about Dan Gilbert buying them? I know it's the longest of long shots, but we can dream.

Through 15 years of embarrassing misery, there has been one constant. Lerner.

He's hired one band of idiots after another and let them hire all their unqualified drinking buddies without any accountability or checks and balances.

Failure after failure after failure. One horrible hire after another. The fact this organization has devolved into a league laughing stock starts at the top.

Not sure how it could be much worse. Cause he stays out of the way and spends money? All NFL owners make money and spend money. And while I don't want my owner deciding who we're gonna draft in the first round, I do want my owner to have balls and brains.

Guy is a silver spoon in his mouth failure that has had everything handed to him and has accomplished nothing in his life.

He may be a nice guy. He may genuinely care about the fans and the organization. So does my uncle and I don't want him as the owner either.

Please sell. Pretty please. With cherries on top.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

Hikohadon wrote:I know a lot of you would go wild with joy, but there are a lot worse owners we could have than Randy Lerner.

Look at the douche in Miami if you want example one.

I would disagree. Having an interest in what's going on is pretty important. Along with a myriad of other qualities he culled as Pops was carrying him thru.

You COULD do worse, but you'll PROBABLY do better.

Randy Lerner had a hell of a lot to do with the last dozen years.

Having an active interest in what's going on combined with being an idiot/douchebag is worse than not giving a shit at all and leaving the biz in other people's hands.

You could easily do better. You could do worse.

Remember, if Randy sells... HE'LL BE CHOOSING WHO TO SELL TO.

No, it might be just as bad, but it ain't gonna be worse.

Point to all the Dolphins and Redskins you want, they've still had a better run in the last 12 then here.

And pretty much everyone else has been much better.

I would ask you what his good ownership qualities are. Cause "minding your own business" is only an attractive trait for that position if you have the wherewithall and know-how to put the right guys in place who DO make the football decisions.

Falling for the first dog and pony act that walks into the office is the opposite of this.

He's been an awful, awful owner. This is fact.

So yes, if you get really unlucky you could do worse. But you gotta real good chance to do better. By your rationale, why draft a QB, you COULD do worse than McCoy, but you've got a good chance of doing better.

He may make the choice, but doesn't it have to be approved by the other owners? I gotta think that the majority of the owners realize that a successful Brown's team will generate more for the league's coffers than what we have now. They've vetoed bad choices before (Rush Limbaugh), and they can do it again.

The first rule of Fight Club is: Don't tell Chuck Norris about Fight Club.

swerb wrote:Through 15 years of embarrassing misery, there has been one constant. Lerner.

He's hired one band of idiots after another and let them hire all their unqualified drinking buddies without any accountability or checks and balances.

Failure after failure after failure. One horrible hire after another. The fact this organization has devolved into a league laughing stock starts at the top.

Not sure how it could be much worse. Cause he stays out of the way and spends money? All NFL owners make money and spend money. And while I don't want my owner deciding who we're gonna draft in the first round, I do want my owner to have balls and brains.

Guy is a silver spoon in his mouth failure that has had everything handed to him and has accomplished nothing in his life.

He may be a nice guy. He may genuinely care about the fans and the organization. So does my uncle and I don't want him as the owner either.

That_Guy™ wrote:He may make the choice, but doesn't it have to be approved by the other owners? I gotta think that the majority of the owners realize that a successful Brown's team will generate more for the league's coffers than what we have now. They've vetoed bad choices before (Rush Limbaugh), and they can do it again.

Stephen Ross.

leadpipe wrote:No, it might be just as bad, but it ain't gonna be worse.

Point to all the Dolphins and Redskins you want, they've still had a better run in the last 12 then here.

Stephen Ross. Ross hasn't been there 12 years. Just give him time.

Listen, I know that the norm of this site is to take any centrist comments I make and try to skew them into some kind of support simply because I haven't crucified the guy then set him on fire. There are literally TONS of owners that would be better. But Randy has made so many bad decisions in the past... at least he's not making the decisions any longer. To whom he sells would be one that HE would make, and I can just imagine the kind of douchebag he would choose.

I read somewhere yesterday that Randy's intention was to eventually sell the team back to the city in a Green Bay type situation, but I can't find it now. Let's set aside the unlikelihood of that for now... if he were to sell/give the team to the city of Cleveland, how does that work? Does the city sell shares to raise the funds? Who becomes the primary decision maker? A counsel?

I actually and honestly think Randy is the best type of owner, guy opens up his check book and puts pure "football" talent in place to run the teams, be the Butch, Savage or Fat Fuck.

Now he hires these guys and they tend to go completely batshit insane on his watch, but if you give me a choice between him and Dan Gilber sitting in the draft room telling scouts what to do, I still take the blank check.

Guy needs a management class, but we all do... I fuck up with my underlings daily (mainly because I hate them)......

e0y2e3 wrote:I actually and honestly think Randy is the best type of owner, guy opens up his check book and puts pure "football" talent in place to run the teams, be the Butch, Savage or Fat Fuck.

Now he hires these guys and they tend to go completely batshit insane on his watch, but if you give me a choice between him and Dan Gilber sitting in the draft room telling scouts what to do, I still take the blank check.

Guy needs a management class, but we all do... I fuck up with my underlings daily (mainly because I hate them)......

Dude. Not a debate about Gilbert. But there is not a business in the world that benefits from the owner being a clueless and absent check writer. Every successful business has an owner (CEO, Board, whatever is in charge) that understands the business they are in and is a part of the organization.

Yes, just as many companies fail because the owner is too far on the other side and micromanages the day to day. Which is why nobody is sitting hear begging for Dan Snyder to own the Browns.

What I do want is someone that is successful at something other than being born who actually loves being the owner of the Cleveland Browns. I want someone with the acumen to hold the decision makers he hires accountable for the decisions they make. I want someone that if I bring in a Type A free agent that could sit down with him and be an asset.

By all acounts, Randy's "inner-circle"/board that included Jim Brown's piece of shit self and Bernie was the problem in all of the prior hires and power struggles, so he finally dumped them to the a CEO that was a big man and had a huge pedigree, only to be fucked by him back.

I don't argue with the results sucking, but I do see the guy always trying to adapt and learn. EVERY single person on this site begged for someone like Holmes being given the keys.... Holmes himself got them and turned around and fucked Randy in the ass.

And I only mention Gilbert because he is a Dan Snyder... you have one Cleveland.

e0y2e3 wrote:By all acounts, Randy's "inner-circle"/board that included Jim Brown's piece of shit self and Bernie was the problem in all of the prior hires and power struggles, so he finally dumped them to the a CEO that was a big man and had a huge pedigree, only to be fucked by him back.

I don't argue with the results sucking, but I do see the guy always trying to adapt and learn. EVERY single person on this site begged for someone like Holmes being given the keys.... Holmes himself got them and turned around and fucked Randy in the ass.

And I only mention Gilbert because he is a Dan Snyder... you have one Cleveland.

He gets fucked in the ass because he allows himself to be fucked in the ass. There is a difference between someone standing in the draft room and ordering a pick and someone who is the god damn boss. If I leave my kids home alone for a few days, whose fault is it when I get home and the dog is covered in nail polish and the house looks like shit?

Timed with the departure of the Philly front office shakeup , you have someone who has expressed a desire to seek ownership , and the Browns have the same philosophical system in place that New owner if its him would be intuned too.

Moreover you still have the Carmen Policy Debartlo faction who wouldn't be bashful to instigate a back door by in .

Just sayin , purely from a speculative stance.

I like Randy's money behind the team , but loathe his detached style , but watching the Indians under Jacobs and viewing the product under the Dolans , I'd caution anybody to e careful what you wish for.

Timed with the departure of the Philly front office shakeup , you have someone who has expressed a desire to seek ownership , and the Browns have the same philosophical system in place that New owner if its him would be intuned too.

Moreover you still have the Carmen Policy Debartlo faction who wouldn't be bashful to instigate a back door by in .

Just sayin , purely from a speculative stance.

I like Randy's money behind the team , but loathe his detached style , but watching the Indians under Jacobs and viewing the product under the Dolans , I'd caution anybody to e careful what you wish for.

SoulDawg

You dont need randy's money behind the team, this franchise is a fucking cash machine.

e0y2e3 wrote:By all acounts, Randy's "inner-circle"/board that included Jim Brown's piece of shit self and Bernie was the problem in all of the prior hires and power struggles, so he finally dumped them to the a CEO that was a big man and had a huge pedigree, only to be fucked by him back.

I don't argue with the results sucking, but I do see the guy always trying to adapt and learn. EVERY single person on this site begged for someone like Holmes being given the keys.... Holmes himself got them and turned around and fucked Randy in the ass.

And I only mention Gilbert because he is a Dan Snyder... you have one Cleveland.

Gilbert is far from a Dan Snyder....but then the sport really doesn't allow for any owner to be like Snyder is in the NFL.

That_Guy™ wrote:He may make the choice, but doesn't it have to be approved by the other owners? I gotta think that the majority of the owners realize that a successful Brown's team will generate more for the league's coffers than what we have now. They've vetoed bad choices before (Rush Limbaugh), and they can do it again.

Stephen Ross.

leadpipe wrote:No, it might be just as bad, but it ain't gonna be worse.

Point to all the Dolphins and Redskins you want, they've still had a better run in the last 12 then here.

Stephen Ross. Ross hasn't been there 12 years. Just give him time.

Listen, I know that the norm of this site is to take any centrist comments I make and try to skew them into some kind of support simply because I haven't crucified the guy then set him on fire. There are literally TONS of owners that would be better. But Randy has made so many bad decisions in the past... at least he's not making the decisions any longer. To whom he sells would be one that HE would make, and I can just imagine the kind of douchebag he would choose.

I read somewhere yesterday that Randy's intention was to eventually sell the team back to the city in a Green Bay type situation, but I can't find it now. Let's set aside the unlikelihood of that for now... if he were to sell/give the team to the city of Cleveland, how does that work? Does the city sell shares to raise the funds? Who becomes the primary decision maker? A counsel?

e0y2e3 wrote:By all acounts, Randy's "inner-circle"/board that included Jim Brown's piece of shit self and Bernie was the problem in all of the prior hires and power struggles, so he finally dumped them to the a CEO that was a big man and had a huge pedigree, only to be fucked by him back.

I don't argue with the results sucking, but I do see the guy always trying to adapt and learn. EVERY single person on this site begged for someone like Holmes being given the keys.... Holmes himself got them and turned around and fucked Randy in the ass.

And I only mention Gilbert because he is a Dan Snyder... you have one Cleveland.

He gets fucked in the ass because he allows himself to be fucked in the ass. There is a difference between someone standing in the draft room and ordering a pick and someone who is the god damn boss. If I leave my kids home alone for a few days, whose fault is it when I get home and the dog is covered in nail polish and the house looks like shit?

That_Guy™ wrote:He may make the choice, but doesn't it have to be approved by the other owners? I gotta think that the majority of the owners realize that a successful Brown's team will generate more for the league's coffers than what we have now. They've vetoed bad choices before (Rush Limbaugh), and they can do it again.

Stephen Ross.

leadpipe wrote:No, it might be just as bad, but it ain't gonna be worse.

Point to all the Dolphins and Redskins you want, they've still had a better run in the last 12 then here.

Stephen Ross. Ross hasn't been there 12 years. Just give him time.

Listen, I know that the norm of this site is to take any centrist comments I make and try to skew them into some kind of support simply because I haven't crucified the guy then set him on fire. There are literally TONS of owners that would be better. But Randy has made so many bad decisions in the past... at least he's not making the decisions any longer. To whom he sells would be one that HE would make, and I can just imagine the kind of douchebag he would choose.

I read somewhere yesterday that Randy's intention was to eventually sell the team back to the city in a Green Bay type situation, but I can't find it now. Let's set aside the unlikelihood of that for now... if he were to sell/give the team to the city of Cleveland, how does that work? Does the city sell shares to raise the funds? Who becomes the primary decision maker? A counsel?

1. It is shocking to me you don't know the GB situation is no longer permitted. Check your "knowledable fan" papers.

2. The City of Cleveland has such a supurb history of running things. Christ, can we exume and frankenstein Stepien while we're at it?

swerb wrote:Through 15 years of embarrassing misery, there has been one constant. Lerner.

He's hired one band of idiots after another and let them hire all their unqualified drinking buddies without any accountability or checks and balances.

Failure after failure after failure. One horrible hire after another. The fact this organization has devolved into a league laughing stock starts at the top.

Not sure how it could be much worse. Cause he stays out of the way and spends money? All NFL owners make money and spend money. And while I don't want my owner deciding who we're gonna draft in the first round, I do want my owner to have balls and brains.

Guy is a silver spoon in his mouth failure that has had everything handed to him and has accomplished nothing in his life.

He may be a nice guy. He may genuinely care about the fans and the organization. So does my uncle and I don't want him as the owner either.

Please sell. Pretty please. With cherries on top.

All of this ^^^^^^^^

Every single fucking word.....and then some

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e0y2e3 wrote:I actually and honestly think Randy is the best type of owner, guy opens up his check book and puts pure "football" talent in place to run the teams, be the Butch, Savage or Fat Fuck.

Now he hires these guys and they tend to go completely batshit insane on his watch, but if you give me a choice between him and Dan Gilber sitting in the draft room telling scouts what to do, I still take the blank check.

Guy needs a management class, but we all do... I fuck up with my underlings daily (mainly because I hate them)......

Blank check? LOL - Lerner having an open checkbook and spending money are nothing but urban legend and yet more bullshit shoved down the throats of fans. Guy is the accidental owner who consistently spends well under the cap.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

e0y2e3 wrote:I actually and honestly think Randy is the best type of owner, guy opens up his check book and puts pure "football" talent in place to run the teams, be the Butch, Savage or Fat Fuck.

Now he hires these guys and they tend to go completely batshit insane on his watch, but if you give me a choice between him and Dan Gilber sitting in the draft room telling scouts what to do, I still take the blank check.

Guy needs a management class, but we all do... I fuck up with my underlings daily (mainly because I hate them)......

Blank check? LOL - Lerner having an open checkbook and spending money are nothing but urban legend and yet more bullshit shoved down the throats of fans. Guy is the accidental owner who consistently spends well under the cap.

Well hard to tell what is RLs choices from the FAs. But the Lerner financial fortunes the past 4 years & the AV situation suggest Matt is closer to reality.

e0y2e3 wrote:I actually and honestly think Randy is the best type of owner, guy opens up his check book and puts pure "football" talent in place to run the teams, be the Butch, Savage or Fat Fuck.

Now he hires these guys and they tend to go completely batshit insane on his watch, but if you give me a choice between him and Dan Gilber sitting in the draft room telling scouts what to do, I still take the blank check.

Guy needs a management class, but we all do... I fuck up with my underlings daily (mainly because I hate them)......

Blank check? LOL - Lerner having an open checkbook and spending money are nothing but urban legend and yet more bullshit shoved down the throats of fans. Guy is the accidental owner who consistently spends well under the cap.

SD:

Think back the only time we spent money and massaged the cap , like contenders do , we made our "loan" playoff run for Al lerner as he died .

With fools buying tickets win or lose , the Browns ownership has operated like the Pirates who have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball , yet earn a $30 million dollar profit a year .

With parity and minimums unlike baseball the Browns and Bengals can't siphon that much off the team operating expenses , however a poster named lbsouth who has been beating the drum over this issue provided info which shows the Browns cap savings over a ten year span equates to $100,000,000.00 in cash the Browns have pocketed while remaining under the cap since that one year abberation when they consciously spent to get better.

Understand you'll never fire her. You'll 'performance manage' her and document her every misstep while she sends out resumes and ultimately leaves before you get the pleasure.

Let me know if that ain't EXACTLY how it plays out.

Or, you could get the situation I had. We hired a female for the position. One week in, it was obvious she could not perform the job.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Being female had nothing to do with her success or failure.

Starting the second week, I (A low level manager) recommended we cut ties with said female because we were spending a good hour every day fixing her mistakes and she wasn't learning. Mid level Management wanted to give her another week to see if stuff started "clicking."

Cue another low level manager finding a document on the printer with notes that only could be the beginnings of a sexual harrassment lawsuit. We immediately recommend to upper management she be let go immediately, we already had enough documentation to back it up.

Upper Level Management's response: If we fire her, she'll sue.My reply: If we don't fire her, she will sue us anyway, except now she'll have more opportunity to take innocent statements and recast them as sexual harrassment.

End result: One manager (who was a complete idiot) framed and fired. Two other managers fired. Myself and the other manager who discovered the document protected ourselves adequately and kept our jobs. Upper Level management idiot subsequently forced both of us out after the fact because we "didn't have his back" while he was trying to stab us in ours.

Understand you'll never fire her. You'll 'performance manage' her and document her every misstep while she sends out resumes and ultimately leaves before you get the pleasure.

Let me know if that ain't EXACTLY how it plays out.

Or, you could get the situation I had. We hired a female for the position. One week in, it was obvious she could not perform the job.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Being female had nothing to do with her success or failure.

Starting the second week, I (A low level manager) recommended we cut ties with said female because we were spending a good hour every day fixing her mistakes and she wasn't learning. Mid level Management wanted to give her another week to see if stuff started "clicking."

Cue another low level manager finding a document on the printer with notes that only could be the beginnings of a sexual harrassment lawsuit. We immediately recommend to upper management she be let go immediately, we already had enough documentation to back it up.

Upper Level Management's response: If we fire her, she'll sue.My reply: If we don't fire her, she will sue us anyway, except now she'll have more opportunity to take innocent statements and recast them as sexual harrassment.

End result: One manager (who was a complete idiot) framed and fired. Two other managers fired. Myself and the other manager who discovered the document protected ourselves adequately and kept our jobs. Upper Level management idiot subsequently forced both of us out after the fact because we "didn't have his back" while he was trying to stab us in ours.

Understand you'll never fire her. You'll 'performance manage' her and document her every misstep while she sends out resumes and ultimately leaves before you get the pleasure.

Let me know if that ain't EXACTLY how it plays out.

Or, you could get the situation I had. We hired a female for the position. One week in, it was obvious she could not perform the job.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Being female had nothing to do with her success or failure.

Starting the second week, I (A low level manager) recommended we cut ties with said female because we were spending a good hour every day fixing her mistakes and she wasn't learning. Mid level Management wanted to give her another week to see if stuff started "clicking."

Cue another low level manager finding a document on the printer with notes that only could be the beginnings of a sexual harrassment lawsuit. We immediately recommend to upper management she be let go immediately, we already had enough documentation to back it up.

Upper Level Management's response: If we fire her, she'll sue.My reply: If we don't fire her, she will sue us anyway, except now she'll have more opportunity to take innocent statements and recast them as sexual harrassment.

End result: One manager (who was a complete idiot) framed and fired. Two other managers fired. Myself and the other manager who discovered the document protected ourselves adequately and kept our jobs. Upper Level management idiot subsequently forced both of us out after the fact because we "didn't have his back" while he was trying to stab us in ours.

Moral of the story: I tell very long-winded stories.

You fucked her, didn't you.

HA!!!

That bitch was Old and Fugly. The silver lining to the story is even though the company caved and gave her a settlement, she was so deep in debt that after the attorney took his cut, she STILL didn't have enough money to climb out of the hole she had dug herself into, and as part of the settlement agreement, she no longer had a job.

Last I heard she was in a bad way and I couldn't have been happier. One of three people I have met I always wish bad things on. The one guy who lost his job just for being a male in the department ended up trying to commit suicide because of her.