Heyall: Nice to read about all of you. Eric: I think it's great to get stuff off your chest..healthy. Keep at it, those debts will be paid off one day and you'll never be unhappy having an education.
I am not adding anything else as I think I've told you everything about me right from my first post in June. I am not NOT nope NOT discussing my age with N2 in the area.
The only thing that matters is that I am into <img src=pix/icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Thank god Im not on my own anymore, even though my basic needs are provided for by mom, this has been the most tremendous blow to my pride that Ive ever expeienced in my life. I cant believe im 21 and compleely dependant on my parents, this is so pathetic. I cant even drive for gods sakes, let alone afford a car, a '79 Pinto is out of my range. I have no freedom and no money, I feel like a child--like Im way behind everybody else my age, and its very frustrating because I feel so infantile. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Bummer, dude. 21, and can't even set the table. That is kind of pathetic. Yep, I remember those days, when you've been stripped to the bone, even stripped of pride. Well, it couldn't happen to a better guy! You seem like a really cool, honest person, Eric. Get a good taste of the bottom, because life is not about the tops, or the bottoms for that matter. Life is about the ups and downs and all arounds. I'm sure most of us in here have found our bottoms, or at least felt the fear and rush of falling.
As Jon would sing, "If only you knew how you caught me when I was falling, yes you caught me when I was falling fast..."
Now, you just have to figure out who "you" is.
One thing is for sure, you'll learn from this and come out stronger than before, wiser, and more mentally stable, even if you are poorer. For wealth in the fool's world is green. In the wise man's world, wealth is all around, "cuz all the best things are free!" Cy Curnin.

<font color=blue>Eric, I too walked aimlessly through my early 20's with no direction, finding it almost impossible to decide what the hell I wanted career wise. Nothing really interested or excited me. I drove trucks, bartended, framed houses, delivered mattresses, and water-beds, loaded and drove for UPS, I even had a stint breaking concrete sidewalks with a sledge-hammer for a mason, real fun NOT. It all pretty much sucked except for all the chicks that felt compelled to give themselves to the bartender, that was quite nice. The point here is that as much as it may suck right now the only way to break your current loser cycle is to make a god damn decision and follow it through. Might I suggest (and feel free to ignore all of these because I can be as big a dumb ass as the next guy):

Become an Plumber or Electricians apprentice, in a few short years (2- 3) you'll be making some serious nice coin, and a few years after that you'll be answering the phone and having people working for you. I've never met a Plumber or Electrician that was poor, hell most of them make more than doctors!

Call Sears and become an Appliance Repair-Man, my neighbor years ago in NJ did that and he was making $40K plus back in the late 70's, plus he would fix peoples appliances on the weekends and just pocket all that money. Sears sent him to a school where he learned the trade and the guy was in serious demand. I even remember that he was able to take the van home everyday, he would then siphon the gas into his car and then fill the van up at the Sears garage, what a racket this guy had!

Become an Edward Jones Broker, yeah I know it sounds terrible but the money is good and your your own boss. After a few years ( 5 to 7) provided you treated people right and are honest you get a load of referrals and the business just grows and grows. My friends that have been in it for years make a fortune and they started with nothing.

Get the folks to cosign your loan, and go to one of those six to 18 month "computer programming schools" (Chubb), get your ass certified in something and you start with $40K.

Join the Airforce, maybe you'll actually learn something about yourself. I can imagine that the thought of being in the Service must be appalling, but I have friends that thought that also and never dreamed of joining but they all ended up much better for it and every one of them now says they are glad they did it. Yeah yeah crazy I know.

Look the surprise here is that when you do pick something people will encourage and support your goal, much more than you think they would.

Then there is my favorite I had heard quite a bit, "grow the fuck up you idiot and pick something" does that help!</font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=purple>Homeless works nicely, maybe you could learn to ride box cars around the country, or better yet have you explored the possibility of becoming a gay porn star!</font id=purple><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font face='Book Antiqua'><font size=3>I'm ever so sorry Eric, but the position of "professional derelict" is currently occupied.</font id='Book Antiqua'></font id=size3>

<font color=green>But if I were you, I check out being a waiter in a better joint. Yeah, I know it's a cliche, but all the gay guys your age I know locally do it, and they always have bux. You're good looking, intelligent, and can probably clean up well. Find a cool place with a friendly bartender . . .

Man, I've had some nasty gigs--do the phrases "meat processing" or "surgery laundry" speak to ya? I think people should be poor when they're young--it really sparked my creativity when I had nothing else better to do.

Enjoying everyone's post, finding some things in common. Altair, I used to party in the high desert of California back in '91-'92. More towards Moreno Valley, but with a band, a generator, and a keg, it was a blast. I still have a nasty scar under my chin from a dirt bike "incident," where I hit a ravine and landed chin first . . . Altair, other than Stephanie, you must be the western-most here . . .

Yesmam, I'm an alcoholic, but a pretty tame one. My excuse is that I'm largely Irish (but somewhat English) American, and love nothing more than the role of racconteur. I can't help but drinking pints and telling tales with my mates. I don't drive though--years ago, I had to decide for either drinking or driving. It was a pretty easy choice--I live a few blocks from downtown now . . . </font id=green>

<font color=blue>Oh yeah, I really love movies, but preferably old ones. If I was a silver screen icon, I'd want to be Bogart or Robert Mitchum. That way I could hook up with Elizabeth Taylor or Sophia Loren--no skinny blondes for me!

But Dorthy Parker be damned, I've always had a thing for women in spectacles. That whole "repressed librarian" thing works for me! It's like, the first thing that comes off . . . </font id=blue>

And I dig mood lighting--I have three lava lamps, a black light, and a neon sculpture. Various combinations work best with different albums, like the blue lava lamp and the neon with Tales, the black light and green lava lamp for CttE, and so forth. Hey, if you can't see a Yesshow every week, you can simulate one in your living room . .

<font color=red>And most of my friends are even weirder than I am . . . </font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr>"And I wanted to be by my wife, as she laboured and given a child to life, She, the purest soul, So I wanted to be by her side . . . For the full and simple reason--I wanted it . . .Oh yes I did . . ." Jon, Animation

3 lava lamps and a blacklight. Cool. I have a lava lamp also, but its been dormant for some time. I think I'll shake it up a bit (well, maybe not shake it up. I tried that once after it had been perculating and, well, let's just say V8 is not what a lava lamp is supposed to look like).

High desert? Moreno Valley? Hmmm, never heard of that area. Ever been through Mono Valley? Bishop?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>But if I were you, I check out being a waiter in a better joint. Yeah, I know it's a cliche, but all the gay guys your age I know locally do it, and they always have bux. You're good looking, intelligent, and can probably clean up well. Find a cool place with a friendly bartender . . . <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Ha no shit man! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> When I started workin' at Perkins my friends were like "Dude...its fag central there!" And wouldnt you know I had a new boyfriend my first week! No joke, Id say 70% of the dudes there are fags.

It IS such a cliche, but I would be a TERRIBLE server (plus Id have to take my piercings out <img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>) Im so clumsy and oafy! My grandma was in town to visit and I guess she asked my mom one night "Whats all this noise?" And my mom was like "Oh thats just Eric walkin' around the house!" Ive broken so much shit since Ive started workin' there it aint funny...Im too dippy to be a server trust me. A good quote from Sam tonight "Why do you always act like youre all fucked up on drugs when youre not?" <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Im serious, I feel too spaced out all the time to do a job that requires concentration. My bosses wont fire me because they think Im just like, retarded or something and feel bad for me! <img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> I swear! Im seriously thinking about it though, I might ask to switch soon just to see how pathetic I am, hey what do I got to lose? A shitty job. Oh no!!!! But for real the fags make some serious moolah, much more than the more blessed 90% of our sex. This one dude Steve on slow nights can still pull a hundred bucks or so.

I just got back from spending the entire day with Sam's family. (I DID get my apology so its all good <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>) Today was his birthday and they had the typical get everybody from both sides of the family over for a party type deal. Ive always found entire families that I dont know yet are just WAY too much to digest for one night! Especially his--theyre a bunch of loons! Theyre so cool though, I mean "loon" with the most kindness possible. He made his grandma and great grandma do this really funny trick with their dentures! I was in hysterics half the night...it turns out theyre all musically inclined too. His uncle plays in a rock band, his grandma plays the piano really well (and she was so happy that I played! "Honey...youre MORE than welcome to come to church and play with me!") And then she apologized that she didnt bring a bible to give me. <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Sams mom the whole night was like "Eric plays the piano...COME ON ERIC PLAY!!!" I HATE when people do this to me! But his aunt came and sat next to me and I serenaded her with Beatles songs for a half hour. I was gonna play her "Trampled Underfoot" cuz she said she was real into Zeppelin, but his dads electric piano had no clav patch. <img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> And they wouldnt let me stop either, I was so embarassed and my face turned red! {:I] It was a fun night though, I REALLY had to try my damndest to make a good impression and not get drunk!

Im in a much better mood today, thank god! I may be getting my old job back (ANOTHER fucked up thing happened!) But Ill see about that tomorrow.

You know what man...for real, Ive watched pornos and been like "What the fuck...I give WAY better head than this clown. It looks like he's chewin' on a corn cob! " <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle> Just playin', but for real though I wouldnt object to it, I would just have to be single while I was doing it. I see nothing wrong with selling sex for money if it pays your bills and puts food in your mouth, so long as the person doing it has no moral objections, which I dont. However, its easier said than done, and i I know myself well enough, Id chicken out. See, If they were filming you have sex it would be cool (and make for much better viewing IMHO) but that scripted shit...sorry I just cant do that. Pornos are always so dirty and to the point about the sex, why cant they show the things normal people do like foreplay and cuddling and kissing too? Even if they would have some gentle sex for a change and not just PLUNGE!!! "Ooooooohhh!" PLUNGE! "Ahhhhhhhhhh!" PLUNGE! "oooohhh yeah!!!" That shit gets so old. You can only watch a buxom blonde bitch get her twat nearly split in half by some moustashioed, overly excited Sonny Bono look-a-like so many times for christs sakes.

If that doesnt pan out I could always move to NYC and become a professional panhandler. They cant be doing that bad off if they can afford crack, right?

Maybe I could be a stripper if I got a little buffer. That kinda work can bring lots of money. My ex did drag all over the country and made a ton of money, and theres this one girl at work who for real looks like she was exiled from amish land and still did well. Maybe there's a future for me in the sex field. <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hmmm Gman youve taked my mind WAY far from thinking about making it in a band! Blast you!

Moreno Valley is just to the east of San Bernadino, about twenty minutes from Palm Springs, not too far from Joshua Tree Park. It's a damn wonder that no one fell off a rock out there--I thought riding a dirt bike around in the moonlight would be a lot safer, but I was very wrong . . . <img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr>"And I wanted to be by my wife, as she laboured and given a child to life, She, the purest soul, So I wanted to be by her side . . . For the full and simple reason--I wanted it . . .Oh yes I did . . ." Jon, Animation

Alright, I know where you're talking about. A little west of where we hung out, and a little high and drier. That lower desert, closer to the Colorado River is something you missed out on. Although, I still wouldn't suggest moonlit riding. The place is loaded with cacti. I remember a time when my brother's friend was screwing off on his 125cc. Our family was big into dirt bikes. We all had one and I even raced on local tracks. We even dragged our mom out there to play around in the washes. Back to the story... Dennis, we called him DJ was climbing some hills and he took a spill right on top of a cactus, one of the taller ones loaded with long, florescent yellow needles. It still makes me cringe to this day. That was about 20 years ago.

<font color=purple><b><BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>That shit gets so old. You can only watch a buxom blonde bitch get her twat nearly split in half by some moustashioed, overly excited Sonny Bono look-a-like so many times for christs sakes. </font id=purple></b> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
<font color=red>Without a doubt the funniest thing I have ever read in YesTalk, Eric perhaps you should be writing for television</font id=red><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>
<font color=navy><b>As for Lava Lamps, I can't believe I never bought one? I'm very much a candle person, I have them everywhere in the house, my wife thinks I'm a bit nuts. Back in the 70's I loved black lights and black posters, man they worked with good weed and Prog Rock</font id=navy></b><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=red>Porno would be more intriguing if it were peopled with ectomorphs and women who looked more like the women I date. More Shaggy and Velma stuff I could relate too . . .

I could pitch a sit-com to one of the networks, where Eric and I play mis-matched room-mates . . .

Lava lamps are the shit though, but I need one with a lighter color. I also want that plexiglass Yes logo from the last tour to hang up in the living room, to backlight in various shades . . . </font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=red>I was in the 6th row at Radio City right in front of Squire so I got a great look at the logo and at least a dozen people said they wanted that plexiglass Yes logo for their house. They should auction it off after the European Tour! I guess judging from the $32 they were asking for a T-Shirt the Yes logo would fetch a hefty sum! (Dr Evil)

If your interested in seeing some porn with chicks like the ones you actually date try some amateur porn, the few I've seen are bizarre, funny, occasionally hot, and remind me a lot of the local talent I worked hard in the early 80's as a bartender!</font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=red>I really like lava lamps too! The slow, snail-like movement has irrefutable therapeutic effects. Just imagine the benefits if one could have ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder )children be able to focus on them during periods of high anxiety and or irritability! Hmm....gonna have to investigate this further...</font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

Just what we need! Lava lamps in the classroom. What, are you suggesting we get Prof to become a 5th grade teacher? I can imagine it now, lava lamps, blacklight posters, and <img src=pix/icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> music.
Well, the lava lamps could provide science lessons, while the blacklight posters could provide art lessons. And Yes, language arts (lyrics, reading and writing of), math (study of musical notation (full, half, 1/4 notes), and social studies (Yes music, afterall, is all about society and humanity). There you go. Come on Proffet, start a charter school.

<font color=blue><font face='Papyrus'><font size=3>YES in the class room, well I remember how many kids hated being forced to listen to classical music back in Jr High and High School, unfortunately I bet YES would get the same reaction from most kids today. Human nature makes people repel from something being shoved down their throats. I actually loved those music classes, but I was the minority for sure. Most YES fans would probably be good teachers lets face it YES fans have a slightly higher intellect than the average bear! Come on admit it, we all think were pretty bright don't we! Funny back in the 70's, in NYC when in high school YES was hugely popular and I remember there was a saying among the guys "YES chicks are a cut above" and it was true. It's just something about YES that is so top shelf, seems the girls in HS that liked them were all dynamite young ladies.</font id=blue></font id='Papyrus'></font id=size3><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_sleepy.gif border=0 align=middle>

Um...last night was definately interesting. Went to Pegasus, the big gay club in Pittsburg. Thank god I drank a couple 40s in the car before I went in to numb the nerve-shattering gay dance music. I actually caught myself having a not-so bad time!!! I was way hammered...and I went and flirted with a bunch of old guys cuz I knew they had the money, and therefore, free drinks! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Sam got all mad at me because I wasnt hanging out with him, but hey when you go to the club you ALWAYS ditch your ride, am i not correct? So I let him go and dance with all the fags while I sat at the bar and got drunk.

However I think something bad happened!

ok tell me your opinion on this....this is a bad one

I think I pissed on his floor! Check this out....I was laying there and I woke up and there was a big wet spot on his floor, I was like what the fuck?!?! Looked like piss...smelled like piss. One thing that was very VERY unusual....my shorts were dry! I COULDNT have done it, this makes absolutely NO sense to me at all. This puddle of piss seamingly appeared out of nowhere! This has been bugging me SO SO SO badly all morning!! Idont see how I could have done it! My shorts were dry! This is annoying me so so so badly!

So check out what i did....

I went in the bathroom and got a glass of water came back in the room loud enough so hed wake up. And we talked for a sec..and I was like OH SHIT! and purposely knocked a whole glass of water all over the floor. "Honey you spilled water didnt you?!?!?!" Explains the wetness, right? <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

I can be a clever bastard occasionally!

But for real though....thats gross. Or maybe I made it up in my head that it was pee because i always tend to think the worst. I dont know though....its just very odd to me and the fact that my shorts were dry is totally puzzling.

Lessee, am I too crude to suggest that Sam got jealous and pissed on you? But hey, if you get so pissed drunk that you don't know, who do you blame? But maybe it was just water, like you said. I don't know. I do know that I'm pretty sure if that happened to me, I wouldn't reveal it, but I would try to learn something from it. I don't think you would be comfortable living with all my inhibitions, though. Everybody has faults.

<hr>Dawn of our power...as only to teach love as to reveal passion chasing late into corners, and we danced from the ocean.

Okay, I am a 38 years old welshman,not quite sure where the 38 years have gone but they have.I first heard Yes in 77 went out,and bought GFTO and the love affair has been going strong since. We parted company for a while due to a third party (RABIN),because the music that came out then was not what Yes was about for me.

I've been married for 15 years,I cannot say we celebrated our anniversary 3 weeks ago because we both forgot about it until 9.30pm of the said day.My wife gave me two wonderful children a boy aged nine
and a girl aged seven,and I love to hear them Laugh. On one or two occasions they have laughed whilst they have been dreaming.That is truly a memory that I will carry with me forever.

Work is that evil that takes me out of the house five days a week and that's all I've got say about that. My main hobbies are my kids,Mountain biking (why go on the roads and breathe in car fumes, when you can go on mountain tracks get covered in mud, fall off on a regular basis and still come home with a smile on your face) And of course my local Rugby team.

My tag Lazarus comes from the time I slept Very very very late for work,somebody saw me and said I looked like Lazarus just after he rose from the dead and the name has stuck ever since.

So right at the moment life is pretty good,My family are all healthy,Yes have got an awesome album out and I've got tickets for their concert. So I don't need anything else,well maybe some more tickets to another show.

Um...last night was definately interesting. Went to Pegasus, the big gay club in Pittsburg. Thank god I drank a couple 40s in the car before I went in to numb the nerve-shattering gay dance music.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Please help me here!
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Eric
that was one of the strangest things I have ever heard. I have no response other than to say .. maybe you should lay off the partying for a week or so just to collect your thoughts.
good luck

The drummer in my band came up with a good theory. He said that maybe in the middle of the night i woke up and thought i was going to the bathroom, and i just woke up and took a piss on the floor. <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> It would explain why my shorts were dry!

But that doesnt make any sense....I ALWAYS wake up to pee, whether im drinking or not. so i think it is highly improbable, and I STILL think the dog may have had something to do with it! There are two big yellow stains on the carpet in his bedroom, after all. I really think the dog was in there and did it, because theres NO WAY that i wouldve done something THAT crazy....i mean, its possible but far-fetched, I guess it will remain a mystery.

But yeah man, it may have been one of the wierdest things you read, but think how wierd it is to me! Not knowing if you pissed on the carpet at your girlfriends mothers house... Im 99.9% sure I DIDNT do it (plus it was on the other side of the carpet where i wasnt sleeping, and i talked to him the next day and hes definately the type of person who wouldve said something about it if he had noticed) so who the hell knows. Im convinced it was the dog though. Unless i did wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was the bathroom, which i highly doubt, then it COULDNT have been me. I really wish he had a survelence camera in there so I could know the damn truth! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=green>Eric, I don't give a ratsass if I'm being non-original with a second edition of The Revealing, hearing about The Mystery of the Piss Stain is worth it! I laughed so hard snots flew out my nose! Dude, you really should write comedy in one form or another--I write a bit myself, and even won a scholarship to university with it, but I can't be that funny. It is an enviable talent, do something with it, besides cracking us up . . .

Confession-wise, I had a girlfriend last winter who was a chronic bed-wetter! My sad point is that she was so hot, I didn't even care! I'm so shameless, I'll endure a lot for good nookie. Right now I'm so hard up, I'm just going straight for fat chicks. I'm really not shallow about that sort of thing, and it can be an aquired taste, but I gotta do something for Little Elvis soon . . .

Hey Lazerus, have you ever checked out that collection of old Roger Dean Yes stage props? I've read an interview with Alan White saying they're on someone's farm in Wales, but I don't know exactly where. It might make a fun day trip . . . </font id=green><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

And no, I DONT! Jeeze, especially if it would be footage of myself! That shits disgusting.

ANYHOO.....lol

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Confession-wise, I had a girlfriend last winter who was a chronic bed-wetter! My sad point is that she was so hot, I didn't even care! I'm so shameless, I'll endure a lot for good nookie. Right now I'm so hard up, I'm just going straight for fat chicks. I'm really not shallow about that sort of thing, and it can be an aquired taste, but I gotta do something for Little Elvis soon . . <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Now, prof on the other hand appears to enjoy a bit of toilet play! You ever let a chick poop on you before? <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dude...our bass player Jamie is a decent lookin' dude. And ya know what? His girlfriend is heavier than Pantera. He's told me before "Ya know she may be fat....but fat chicks can fuck!" And hes head over heels in love with her too. Theres no shame man, no shame. Plus I think shes gorgeous too, so weight shouldnt be an issue cuz i think shes real cute. <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Eric, I don't give a ratsass if I'm being non-original with a second edition of The Revealing, hearing about The Mystery of the Piss Stain is worth it! I laughed so hard snots flew out my nose! Dude, you really should write comedy in one form or another--I write a bit myself, and even won a scholarship to university with it, but I can't be that funny. It is an enviable talent, do something with it, besides cracking us up . . .<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I cant believe you thought that was funny! I sure as hell dont! For god sakes i peed on his floor. HIS MOM'S FLOOR. WITH HIS OTHER FREIND SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR WITH ME. This is not a funny issue prof, its a matter of pissing on your boyfriends MOTHER's carpet!

Oh guess what though neither of them noticed! Good thing i purposely knocked the water over when they could see me! <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

And prof...I dont see how you say i could write comedy. All I write about here is stuff that happens to me in real life, I cant really create fiction. I couldnt sit and like, come up with a storyline or anything. Well, I dont know maybe I could. I guess that would make a funny scene in a movie! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> I could so see it in "Meet the Parents"

I just went to Alan Whites site to see if there were anymore info on that farm you mentioned and incredibly it is only about fifteen miles down the road. I cannot beleive that it is so close, I shall be contacting the owner to see if I can visit.