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Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

I agree in a sense. No doubt being gay would drop him from a top 10 pick to maybe not even getting drafted(I am sure a few teams would still take him he is a great player). But I have a problem with his cover story in the worst way. You don't make up storys about cancer and what not and then get more famous because he played great days after his Gma and "GF" died.

I dont follow football at all and really the national championship game was the only game I watched. I have a question for people who do follow the sport and ND. Was Teo NFL material back in 09?? I mean was projected to be as good as he is?

Teo was good all along, but he really had his "breakout" year this year.

I argued with lots of friends I thought he was top 15-20 material, a lot of friends (non ND fans so less bias I admit) thought he was a 3-5 rounder because of his size.

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The media is going to be ravenous tomorrow with him. He better be prepared for everything or he's going to crack. He's still a young guy unlike a Lance Armstrong type.

"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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Who knew that Lance Armstrong's interview with Oprah would be upstaged tomorrow in the sports world? Just crazy...

"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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so Teo found out it was a "hoax" according to the AD tonight at the presser on the 6th and gave us this gem on the 8th

"On Dec. 6, while at an awards show in Orlando, Fla., Te'o had gotten a phone call from a woman claiming to be Kekua and, according to Swarbrick, was "more than suspicious; he was startled and shocked."" From the presser tonight

Brian Hamilton ‏@ChiTribHamilton
Manti Te'o on 12/8, 2 days after hoaxers call again: "I don't like cancer at all. I lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer."

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So I think that I think he initially got duped, then once he found out was just too embarrassed to come clean. Then it just snowballed and the lies just started piling up.

I don't see how someone could have been duped for so long. Plus he knows the guy who is behind it all. Their was way too much backstory and info coming from Manti and his family for me to think he was duped.

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Also, it's tough to see the university coming out of this smelling like roses. Which as a Catholic is why I got so offended by the Indystar article before the championship game about how much all Catholics love Notre Dame and Notre Dame football. Either they are still telling him to hide that he is gay or they were in on the ruse all along. Either way, I am glad that 10 years ago when I first visited their campus I was in a group with the most pompous tour guide of all time who told me "Only a few of you will be "Notre Dame material" even less will have the privilege to get in". Decided that day I didn't want to be a part of the "Domers". Do I think they would encourage Te'o to cover up his sexuality? You bet your *** I do. And I think they still may be doing it.

That was a pompous way for the tour guide to phrase it, but they do need to be honest with the high school students who go there to visit. No need to string people along with false hope. They gotta be up front with people and make sure that visitors know that only a tiny tiny tiny percent of people get admitted.

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Sollozzo, they had just gotten done showing us a graph of their acceptance rates. Most of us already knew. Plus we were in like 8th grade so who even cared?

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Dude, you had a college tour in 8th grade? Man, I was in the wrong middle school. I did not even think of college until like 11th grade. Then again, I traveled every 2 years. That is awesome though!

And I hate arrogant people in general, esp tour guides. At my Univeristy I had the coolest tour guide ever. She even whined about her parking tickets and said she should be allowed to drive the .4 miles to class everyday. Ok the fact she was hot as hell helped!

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Swarbrick also said that Te'o never met Kekua in person. It was an exclusively online relationship. Several meetings were planned, but Kekua "never showed," Swarbrick said. He cited the movie "Catfish" — which tells the story of people who dupe strangers into fake relationships online — as a reference for what happened to Te'o.

That does not jive with this October 2012 story from the South Bend Tribune, where Te'o's father Brian said:
"They started out as just friends. Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple."

"Well, I sat across from him and I was moved by his story and it was heartbreaking and heartwarming and as it turns out totally untrue. But short of asking to see a death certificate, I'm not sure what most people would do differently in that case. But in researching it before I wrote the script, I remember trying to find an obituary for his girlfriend and could not. And couldn't find any record of this car accident. But we asked Manti, could we contact Lennay's family and he said the family would prefer not to be contacted. Could we have some photos of Lennay? He said the family would prefer not to provide those. And so in that instance, and at that moment, you simply think that you have to respect those wishes. But in retrospect, you can see where some of those things simply were not adding up to make sense. Easy to say now. At the time it never enters your mind somebody was involved in that kind of hoax"

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The AZ Card saying he met this girl is just getting bypassed too quickly. There's a lot more to this than we know, which would explain why ND did the things they did.

I have a hard time believing that ND thinks they can circle the wagons and play semantics so blantantly with so much initial info making it look moronic. There's got to be some details that start clicking the pieces together that we just haven't gotten yet.

I'm not saying that's the case definitely, but this story is just too weird to think everything came out all at once with everyone looking like a fool.

Surely therer are conversation logs and telephone records. You're not on the phone with someone every night for hours at a time, without record. If Te'o showed those, I would be more inclined to believe the hoax angle. Not sure anyone would be willing to put in hours on a phone every night to play this off just in case they got caught. With all the loose ends as of now, it would be hard to imagine that they planned that far in advance and didn't even come up with a town that actually existed. (I've heard the town she was "from" doesn't exist)