So, the President offered an off ramp, in which he said I will accept any length of extension...

So, Boehner has his offer, he goes in to see the president, you would expect that he would then have a six-week extension and discuss all of these issues. What seems to have happened is there are now demands from the president...

Krauthammer also says that he thinks the Republicans should stand firm -- we are giving you the extension you agreed to, THEN we'll negotiate, not every time the Republicans agree to something, Obama moves the goal post and wants more.

The GOP leadership still doesn't understand Obama's psychology. He doesn't call these meetings to discuss or negotiate. He calls them so that he can make a show of slapping you down and insulting you. He uses your sense of civility against you. Just as he did with the Supreme Court Justices, he expects you to stand still and be quiet, smile politely, while he rains vituperation down upon you for his and his base's enjoyment. He gets off on this passive/aggressive sort of attack and you, Boehner, McConnell, Cornyn, McCain, Ryan, et. al., walk into it blindly every time. He is evil and you are morons.

Public pressure forced the president to sign the “Honoring the Families of Fallen Soldiers Act” yesterday and I am certain he is mad and resentful about that. If his history is any guide he will become even more difficult to deal with in the upcoming days. He ususally is after having had his @$$ handed to him.

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posted on 10/11/2013 6:31:50 AM PDT
by gov_bean_ counter
(Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)

He also said, over and over  and over and over  that, if you liked your plan, you would not have to give it up. Nothing would change for you. No, we were just going to help some folks who were down on their luck and did not have access to health insurance. But rest assured: If you liked your plan, nothing would change for you.

Now, both of those things turn out to be untrue: Health premiums are not going down, by $2,500 or any other number; theyre going up. And its not true that you wont be forced off your plan: Some are.

Okay, the rant (cooler version): If you were President Obama, dont you think youd feel the need to address these things?

AND if you were a reporter in the White House press corps, youd ask the president about them. Youd say, Mr. President, you said over and over that health-insurance premiums would fall by $2,500.

It's nice to see Dr. K supporting the idea of a 6-week extension. There seems to be a bit of a negative reaction to that idea here on FR. I'm with Dr. K on this.

My reasons for liking the 6 week extension idea: It allows a separation of the Government Shutdown/Obamacare issue from the Debt Limit Issue.

Why is that important?

Combining the two will both confuse the public and make it all too easy for the GOP to negotiate a debt ceiling reduction and a clean Continuing Resolution without getting anything but some nominal spending reductions out of the deal. Obamacare goals would be the first thing that gets dropped during the negotiations. A bad deal for us.

This is actually the same technique used by Hitler against Chamberlain. Chamberlain offered Hitler something, and Hitler would take it; but instead of offering something in return, Hitler would demand more from Chamberlain, who was such a weak-willed individual that he would agree to it, with hopes that Hitler would offer something in return. Hitler never did.

The trouble with this technique is that eventually it backs (the) Chamberlain side into a corner, so he has to create an ultimatum, a “red line”. Since he has proven so weak before, (the) Hitler side, defies the ultimatum, thinking he can get away with it. Which at least at first, he can.

So now the conservatives must persuade the Republican leadership that negotiations with Obama are fruitless, because Obama does not haggle, only demand. And if the Republican leadership are firm, Obama will endlessly complain and whine about it.

This time, even with the help of the MSM, complaining and whining won’t work either, because it makes him look not only mean, but petulant and bratty, as Krauthammer pointed out.

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posted on 10/11/2013 6:54:25 AM PDT
by yefragetuwrabrumuy
(The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)

Actually, you malign Chamberlain. England, it’s peacetime army, its obsolete air force, and its people were not yet ready for war, and his only ally, France, was useless, as was proved later. Chamberlain was playing for time to get ready for the war that was expected eventually.

WE will default because Lew was already told not to prioritize the payments.

Chris Parker from Parker Wealth Management helped explain this in laymens terms this morning on WTAM 1100. He claims this is a real test in the control of the optics of what is going on in DC.

We take in 225 billion a month. We only need about 20 billion to service the debt. So that leaves 205 billion to fund the governments activities and programs.

With no increase in the debt ceiling then the government is forced to live within its means. Basically this becomes a forced austerity, forget sequestration, it is a forced austerity and Congress...more precisely the House of Representatives (Republicans) will have to decide what programs remain funded or how fully funded they need to be.

Military, Welfare, Obamacare, SS, EPA, NSA, DOJ etc.

According to Chris Parker, this will literally mean the government must prioritize payments. This could be devastating politically to the democrats and republicans depending on who controls the spin.

Republicans tend to be financial wonks and not very good at explaining to those affected this kind of stuff as where the democrats are sooooo very good at the whine.

But, long-term this cant go on and we need tighten the belt. 0bamacare with its subsidies is not self-sustaining. Think of 0bamacare as the knife in the very heart ...

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posted on 10/11/2013 7:41:38 AM PDT
by EBH
( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)

Talk about the Constitution, and how spending originates in the House. We've passed a budget. The House has funded everything except Obamacare, and that's the way the government works. We're following the law. We expect the president to also follow the law.

another, which happens 100% of the time, is to make an agreement. The Republicans fulfill their part of the agreement whereas the Democrats renege.

The classic example is Bush #41 who finally made an agreement to raise taxes after the Democrats agreed to reduce spending by a certain multiplier amount (I don't recall he figure). Bush lived up to his part - as usual, the Democrats refused. That was the read my lips, "no new taxes" Bush. It cost him the election.

You cannot trust a Democrat, not matter how good a drinking buddy he/she is.

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posted on 10/11/2013 7:54:23 AM PDT
by elpadre
(AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)

Boehner & McConnell want most of all to punt these issues until after the midterms. They want to avoid conflict with Obama at all costs and by keeping quiet hope that people don’t notice their perfidy. They are careerists who simply want to enjoy the beltway good life and rake in the lobbyist cash.

I have made the point elsewhere on the site that the strategy the Democrats have used and gotten away with over the last seven years of failing to approve or put forward a budget for the budget process has put them in the postition where some sort of CR is required each period regardless.

Our stop-gap has been attachments to the CRs and not an earlier insistance upon following the modern era Congressional Budget process. Once they got past two years of this game, we should have shut down the whole house as soon as we were able and enforced the Budget process.

Instead we find ourselves in a game of brinkmanship to attach one or two little bandaids to a CR — we have failed to fight when we should have and are now just flailing about as we watch the country go down the drain. Do we really think that daring Obama to captain the wreck of the federal ship is something he is not wishing for an excuse to execute? That is the whole purpose of their scheme. This is their Briar Patch moment — they want us to hold the line.

Cloward-Piven is not that difficult a read.

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posted on 10/11/2013 8:52:00 AM PDT
by KC Burke
(Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)

You know Obastard lies all the time. I know he lies all the time. Boehner et al know it too, but they have to go through the motions of demonstrating it because the people who vote and elect Democrats are the morons.

If the GOPe leadership treated Obastard the way he should be treated, the Dems would have a permanent majority in both houses of the Legislature, and would forever hold the Presidency. It sucks, but until we get a smarter electorate, it’s the way things have to be done. Despite what Boehner says, it *is* a damned game.

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posted on 10/11/2013 9:00:51 AM PDT
by Cyber Liberty
(It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)

Obama did the same thing on the last debt debate two years ago. A big deal had been worked out, and then Obama said, “I need another $400 billion in taxes.” Or was it $800? Anyway, it blew the deal and was why Boehner said it was impossible to negotiate with Obama.

If they were following the Constitution, we wouldn’t BE in this ‘problem’. Those ‘mandatory spending’ programs would be null and void and the funny money/Fed would have never come to being (fiat/fractional lending being the open door to $17T+)

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posted on 10/11/2013 9:31:01 AM PDT
by i_robot73
(Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)

The problem was he had no leverage -- to declare war would have been a total disaster. If you have no leverage, you cannot negotiate with an intelligent person and appear anything but weak. He bragged about because (a) he wanted to place Hitler's promises firmly on the record re casus belli(/i> for the next time, (b) he was a politician, and they invariably put on spin. However, he clearly wasn't taken in because aircraft and armaments production was vastly increased when he came back.

The problem was he had no leverage -- to declare war would have been a total disaster. If you have no leverage, you cannot negotiate with an intelligent person and appear anything but weak. He bragged about it because (a) he wanted to place Hitler's promises firmly on the record re casus belli for the next time, (b) he was a politician, and they invariably put on spin. However, he clearly wasn't taken in because aircraft and armaments production was vastly increased when he came back.

Obama doesnt want a solution, and he will make sure he doesnt get one. Thats how he plans to win and seize emergency power.

Hannity and Newt Gingrich were talking on live radio a couple of hours ago, and they were agreeing that Harry Reid is even more extremely radical than Barky .... and that their real objective, never mind all the moving goal posts, is the total destruction and surrender of the GOP.

That would make us, literally, a People's Republic, with Bolsheviks and Mensheviks (and guys in a basement room with big rubber aprons and a pistol waiting to help you love Big Brother).

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