courosa: one of the most common critiques of constructivism
has been lack of practice/repetition in terms of new skills/knowledge
taking hold. construction of an idea is not as 'sticky' as it is mad to
sound

courosa: hey jillian

dave: i've built lots of stuff i couldn't build again a
week later

matt montagne: would you say montessori models are
constuctivist??

matt montagne: Or the free school models? Are they?

dave: brainwashing vs. survivalism?

jilliannecode: Hi Alec :)

amcunningham: sounds constructivist to me....

jilliannecode: :)

matt montagne: The montessoi model is compelling...flush
the premises with resources and interesting materaials and get out of
the way

jilliannecode: It was fun!

jilliannecode: yep that's me

courosa: that's her - i eavesdropped from shanghai

jilliannecode: LOL

matt montagne: constructivsm wouldn't give you US History
in 4th, 8th, and 11 grades like in the USA

matt montagne: sometimes it's best to define something by
what it isn't...so what isn't constructivism?

jilliannecode: Psychomotor skills are different than
cognitive skills.

JenM: @matt ... good point ...

courosa: mmmm ... i could use a buffet

jilliannecode: Constructivism may not work in the
aquisition of psychomotor skills... or would it?

courosa: i'm out - gotta find some grub before my flight.
looking fwd to the new format.

jilliannecode: See ya Alec

matt montagne: I don't know, Jilian. You could teach
woodshop construction via an instructivist/training model, or it could
also be taught in a constructivist manner.

John: Dave is used to stalkers.

dave: @matt good example

John: Learn to parallel park by practicing (with someone
else's car)

amcunningham: mmm= yes, can leave learners feeling
powerless...

matt montagne: constructivsm isn't void of practice and
repitition

amcunningham: oh- I meant can leave TEACHERS feeling
poweless!

matt montagne: I think the difference is that the learner
gets to choose what they wan't to practice and repeat, WHEN they need
it.

dave: ah. that makes more sense

amcunningham: i like the way wenger talks about 'plug and
play' theories.... different approaches needed for different outcomes

jilliannecode: Great example @matt. Also - shouldn't we
choose the instructional approach / theory to suit whichever outcome is
required?

jilliannecode: @amcunningham - exactly

jilliannecode: "higher end" institution? which one am I at?
;)

matt montagne: it is elistist Dave. The 'free schools,'
which are built on constructivist underpinnings, seem to be inhabited
by the wealthy. Poor kids tend to get instruvist schools and approacahes

matt montagne: The system seems to rail against the
constructivist approach-many feel as though it devalues the role of the
adult/teacher in the room

amcunningham: we talk about about constructive approaches
in medical education... but manypeople are seriously cyncial about
reflection and postfolios... interesting to think about wht

amcunningham: @matt yes, very interesting- I know Bernstein
not so well liked/understood in US but he says that ts because middle
class/richer get off to a head start with the kinds of language they use

matt montagne: @Jen - I think in practice there very much
is a blend, but the dominant approach is still instructivist.

matt montagne: My dream is that the dominant form would be
PBL/constructivism, with instructivist approaches being used minimally.

matt montagne: work places are chaning thought...many work
places no longer want rule followers. They want people who know how to
deal with ambiguity. They want people who can attack perplexity in
novel ways.

matt montagne: @JenM - for your research have you looked at
constructivism in non-obvous sectors? eg, I'm thinking of summer camp,
the work place, athletics, etc.

jilliannecode: The system has 'killed' the creativity and
problem solving skills that children have naturally. A la Ken Robinson.

jilliannecode: where is the schedule of talks?

matt montagne: good luck with your research and thanks for
sharing, Jen!!!

JenM: @matt ... get you headset ready for next time ...

JenM: *your

amcunningham: many thanks- good night:)

matt montagne: baby duty tonight, so for sure in the
future, Jen!!!

jilliannecode: So is this about social networks in the
classroom or about Google+?

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