Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Why are only 2 'components' mentioned in that verse if there are 3?

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

I don't understand your answer Molly.Yes it's about death (spirit returning to God)Then you quote a verse that mentions 2 components (body, soul) to support 3 components.Why isn't the spirit mentioned?

Looking at the defs of spirit and soul they sound very similar.(Gen 2:7) And LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

That sound like body=soulBut your verse sounds body isn't soul.But what's the soul in that verse? Spirit? If not why isn't the spirit mentioned?SOUL

ψυχήpsuchēThayer Definition:1) breath1a) the breath of life1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing1a1a) of animals1a1b) of men1b) life1c) that in which there is life1c1) a living being, a living soul2) the soul2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)Part of Speech: noun feminineA Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G5594Citing in TDNT: 9:608, 1342SPIRIT

rûachBDB Definition:1) wind, breath, mind, spirit1a) breath1b) wind1b1) of heaven1b2) quarter (of wind), side1b3) breath of air1b4) air, gas1b5) vain, empty thing1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour1c2) courage1c3) temper, anger1c4) impatience, patience1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse1c7) prophetic spirit1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)1e1) desire1e2) sorrow, trouble1f) spirit1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts1f2) rarely of the will1f3) as seat especially of moral character1g) Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son1g1) as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy1g2) as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning1g3) imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power1g4) as endowing men with various gifts1g5) as energy of life1g6) as manifest in the Shekinah glory1g7) never referred to as a depersonalized forcePart of Speech: noun feminineA Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H7306Same Word by TWOT Number: 2131a

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Body=dust=flesh etc => can be destroyed.Spirit returns to God => can't be destroyed. Soul => This one confuses me most. In Gen 2:7 is sounds like the body. But can also point to 'life force'.But that seems to conflict with "And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul"Man certainly can kill "life force".

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Body=dust=flesh etc => can be destroyed.Spirit returns to God => can't be destroyed. Soul => This one confuses me most. In Gen 2:7 is sounds like the body. But can also point to 'life force'.But that seems to conflict with "And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul"Man certainly can kill "life force".

Only people who have never left their bodies think the soul=the body.

He is Life. He is the resurrection. He has come to give us life and give it superabundantly.

Body=dust=flesh etc => can be destroyed.Spirit returns to God => can't be destroyed. Soul => This one confuses me most. In Gen 2:7 is sounds like the body. But can also point to 'life force'.But that seems to conflict with "And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul"Man certainly can kill "life force".

Only people who have never left their bodies think the soul=the body.

He is Life. He is the resurrection. He has come to give us life and give it superabundantly.

this computer is driving me crazy. iT'S jumping all over the place.

When typing a message? If so Card had the same problem. Turned out a browser related problem.

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What do you think we are saved from? DEATH.

'from' or 'out of' ?But how that relate to this discussion (body, soul, spirit)?

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

--Heb 10

Why does Solomon tell us everything is meaningless? Do I feel that way? NO

Remember your Creator before the silver cord is cut.That's when the golden bowl will be broken.The wheel will be broken at the well.The pitcher will be smashed at the spring.7 Remember your Creator before you return to the dust you came from.That's when your spirit will go back to God who gave it.

8 "Meaningless! Everything is meaningless!"says the Teacher."Nothing has any meaning."

--Ecc 12

Solomon is talking about the default position [without Christ]. But, ultimately, he knows there is something more than just the seeming vanity of this life, where body and soul are destroyed after a short period of life. So, he ends with a warning. Why warn if everything is meaningless? Why warn if life is transient?

Everything has now been heard.And here's the final thing I want to say.Have respect for God and obey his commandments.That's what everyone should do.14 God will judge everything people do.That includes everything they try to hide.He'll judge everything, whether it's good or evil