First reports reaching DEBKAfile’s military sources say that a US submarine intercepted a Russian nuclear sub in American waters opposite Alaska. The Russian sub escorting the nuclear submarine responded with a Balkan 2000 torpedo and scuttled the US vessel. Urgent consultations in both the White House and the Kremlin were taking place on Tuesday night. US Vice President Mike Pence called off an appearance in New Hampshire after being recalled to Washington for a conference called by President Donald Trump without explanation.

Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled an engagement and headed for the Kremlin to confer with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chiefs, after learning that 14 submariners died in a fire that broke out on a nuclear-powered “experimental submarine in Russian waters.” This account carried in Russian media varies in most respects from the first reports reaching this site and may refer to a separate incident. They report between 14 and 17 members of an AS-12 nuclear powered submarine died of poisonous fumes caused by a fire aboard the vessel. The submarine was described as experimental and unarmed but often used in spy missions. It is unclear how many of the 25 crew survived. Local media suggest four or five are receiving treatment in Severomorsk’s military hospital for poisoning and concussion injuries. Another news account said the majority of the officers died in or on their way to hospital. These reports do not cite the cause of the fire.

If US lives were lost by the apparent unprovoked Russian sub(s) firing upon a US while in US waters, then we have the makings of war. I expect that ultimately war will not occur, but certainly tense times are ahead. Peace.

Its attack on Russia, and Putin as Yeltsin before him and Medvedev are finished . The answer will not wait very long –probability of strike on Canadian American forces . The only order will count is that of that in counter intelligence , and if Europe will say even 1 word , it will become a second moon together with Canada and USA.

I presume you refer to a nuclear attack by Russia on other countries. Keep in mind that the US keeps a minimum of 2 SSBNs at sea at all times. Together, they carry enough warheads atop their SLBMs to incinerate every city in Russia of 100,000 population and higher. Such an attack would leave Russia just as devastated as the countries Russia attacked. The Russian leadership knows this, so I very much doubt, unless they have some kind of Star Trek weaponry to defend with, that Russia will initiate any nuclear exchange. It would be suicide for them as well as everyone else.

Why would anyone believe the Russians were in US waters? The govt recently made it legal to brainwash Americans, and they’ve all but declared war on Russia. Nothing coming from DC is believable, especially info about Russia. The Russians are little better. IF this is not another Debka error, the US started this. Putin doesnt want his people destroyed, so will have a restrained response.

Are U fat Russian troll?
Putin sends his people to be destroyed every time to different locations: submarine “Kursk”, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. His people are expendables.
Lies and impertinence – that’s his creed.

Why would anyone believe Russians in US waters? Because they’ve been performing just such “tests” since the Donald took office. I pray this one didn’t occur, “US Submarine sailor” (otherwise known in the US Navy as submariners).

Why would anyone believe it? Well, let’s see. I worked a fishing seiner in the 80s off Adak Island AK and saw Russian trawlers all over the Aleutian islands (American waters). They had fishing gear but never seemed to catch any fish. Putt-Putt and his minions has been pushing the Red hand toward a USA-RUS confrontation since day 1 following WW2, so now that the USA has a Prez who doesn’t tuck tail to commies or any other dictator (in the vein of Reagan), I applaud and encourage prudent conversation and all prudent preparation.

Relax, God has never ever allowed the destruction of a nation nor of its people before first sending His warnings hoping that the hearts of the people might turn to Him to be saved… And He (God) changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding (Daniel 2:21).
God has clearly given us His warning of USA’s destruction, God does take His warnings lightly and we should either. Our destruction will be by Russia, China and there is a good possibly that one other nation will be involved. But first there most likely will be the 2nd major attack to come, it will be approx. 1000 times greater than the Sept. 11, 2001 attack and most likely in at least three areas, Southern California and two areas on the upper East Coast, looking as if it will be in or near the Philadelphia and Boston areas. I believe the 3rd and final attack will be approx. 40 days later the fire will fall in one hour, one night, from the East to the West and USA will be no more.

And who believes that such an event would only destroy the US and Russia? Would there remain the ability to grow food for the world? Who would then become the world’s nuclear superpowers? China, India, Pakistan, Iran, who believes that world would be a safe place?

Yeah well said, at least I hope MAD is still in place and people not going insane, just imagine what we could accomplish by bury the hatch and face space together as one united planet instead? Not a new world order and Earth president, same laws everywhere and all that carp, no just united towards a common goal and eliminate corruption, like that will even happen?

The reason Canada has stayed protected and peaceful is because of its alliance with the UK and USA. If something were to happen to one or both, you’re screwed. Canada is also a member of NATO so you are obliged to get into the fight anyway.

No, we can’t. As a Canadian, I want us to be strong and supporting US in our mutual seek of peace and love. But savages (and Russia is among them) understand the language that we, Canadians, have to learn yet.

russian army is an army of the third world!!!!! russian was beaten by german in the WWI in the WWII russia was help largely and decisively by US against german. . in korea war russia took a big beating and retired quickly in other not to turnish its myth of big military power.today if russia triggers a war with west russia will be demolished and will be occupied by US. so said be aware PUTIN YOU HAVE MUCH LOSE.
AND WILL NOT THREATHENS ANYONE WITH NUKE BECAUSE THE FIRST TO CREATE NUKE AND USE IT WAS US . US IS LARGELY AHEAD OF RUSSIA

Russia beaten by Germany in WW1 and WW2? Where do you get that nonsense. Reminder Russia reached Berlin first not the US. Russia wasn’t involved in Korea to any extent. US occupy Russia? US can’t even control Afghanistan.

A) A Balkin 2000 Torpedo cant be found on the internet.
B) Sinking an American Sun in US waters is an act of war and The left would already be blaming Trump for the loss. Even though the left Considers The Russians Trumps best friends.

OI think the fire makes more sense and its all over the Russian media.

Was not intentional. No US sub destroyed. Russian got too close to US sub during a NATO exercise that was known by all nations ( including Putin and Trump) was being done in the area. Russian sub’s missile fired by accident because the sub did not know it was that close to operations. Caused their own fire aboard their own sub.

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You don’t have deep state actors (could be a good pun) at 400 ft in the Pacific Ocean during firing point procedures. Whatever happened, if it really did happen, occurred between the Capt of the Russian boat and the Capt of American boat. I hope this is mis-reported news.

Quite possibly, you don’t understand what “deep state players” means. The US has its very good military, but that doesn’t mean we don’t still have our military industrial complex which is filled with deep staters. A better grasp of how things are might help you to understand.

“Deep state actors” are people in positions in power. They have the authority to order Russian naval forces to act without the Kremlin’s knowledge or approval. Same for several other countries. Under Trump, doing this in the US has become more problematic.

Carly….you got it right. Those who pull the strings are beholden to the Prince of This World until the coming of Messiah for the first time or second depending on your point of view.
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You’re on crack. Trump represents the white hats, has full military backing, is cleaning house, ending corruption, and has already accomplished more than any other President. I say stop watching FakeNews, you’ll feel better.

Before this discussion is over, which has no doubt already lasted longer than whatever incident may have occurred, the lefties will be claiming that Trump himself, and sidekick John Bolton, was in command of the sub that initiated a false flag attack that they intended to blame on Israel, trying to start WW III, so that the 2020 elections could be delayed and Trump could be declared Emperor for Life!

Everything is a distraction. There are only 3 countries left without a rothschilds central bank, Syria, Iran and N korea .
The world’s ah stage,all allies distracting u until they can open the pit and release the demons. More ufo 2ill b the norm 3vil coming fast now.

The “Balkan 2000” is the export name for the Swedish Torped 62. Beggars the question, ‘what’s a Swedish torpedo doing on a Russian sub’?. Near as I can make out, Sweden did not export any of these to Russia.

Yes, strange story. I couldn’t find anything on the navy’s or DOD’s twitter. So either DEBKA knows more than others and there is momentarily silence until both sides have a response for the public or this didn’t take place.

but wait? what is that? its UFO Jesus come back in the nick of time to save the world from global destruction! yaaa! we are saved! peace and safety shall rain at last! but we are not dumb? its the freemason antichrist 101!

Jesus is coming back to take we who are His OFF this earth. You unbelievers will NOT be “rescued” so I STRONGLY suggest that you actually SEEK Christ and salvation while there is little time left to do so. Mock all you want, the Bible predicted that too.. I am telling you the TRUTH from the Holy Scriptures. Believe it or not at your own peril and LOSS of eternal life with Jesus Christ!

15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

I used to believe this too. All of my professors stated this emphatically. Then, I began to read the writings of the early church fathers. Tertullian wrote about it at least eight times throughout his life. I am not sure if other early writers did, but the fact that Tertullian did makes the statement about Darby inventing the doctrine wrong.

In what may be his earliest mention he writes, “When in the end the church will suddenly be caught up from this, it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, nor will be.’ Fro this is the last contest of the righteous. When they overcome in this contest, they are crowned with incorruption.” This is found on page 551 of Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David W. Bercot.

Yeah sure, I will believe an Internet stranger over the Bible. Uh hu. I’ll stick with the original, thanks, that foretells all of this Northern Bear business of Gog and Magog against Israel and it’s allies. Go play, doggy.

If a US sub was sunk, there’s no way this won’t get back to the public, which means Trump will be required to retaliate. Which means escalation. And with the left wing media always bashing him, you can bet he will be required to strike hard against Russia. Likely target, their naval base in Syria, or crimea.

And start WWIII?
He does his own thing thing now that the Meuller report cleared him.
When DJT was going to attack Iran the Democrats and the msm excoriated him for being a war-monger. When he decided that it was more prudent not to strike and let the sanctions ramp up the pressure, the Dems and the msm said he was a traitor and in collusion with Russia.

The leftwing media is in total disarray with 300 hacks leaving CNN. Fox news has expanded 3X over since the viewers have been leaving the fake news media because of their false, twisted, partisan rubbish.

Right now Putin can use Trump and Trump can use Putin. For example to get rid of Obama’s and Clinton’s creation called ISIS. This may not be the case for much longer however. Russia has been arming its allies in the region for many years now and the region is becoming a powder-keg.

The Christian Bible has the final word as to the outcome of things. Whatever happens with the US vs. Iran and Russia the US will lose. Ezekiel 38 speaks of Persia (Iran) and Gog (Russia) coming against Israel and the US is not mentioned helping Israel. In Ezekiel 39 God personally saves Israel. The Rapture of the church will happen before WW-3. Isaiah 17:1 says Damascus is no longer a city. That is about to happen also. Know your Bible, “THE END IS NEAR.”

Israel is indeed a people, but as its enemies cannot simply declare was against Jews everywhere on earth, they must rather focus attacks on a region or nation. Hence, the nation of Israel first recognized internationally by US President Harry Truman will be targeted by its enemies.

This story is false, as indicated by the spot price of gold having risen for the first hour and a half after it was posted, but now having fallen $8.50 per ounce off its high. You can all go back to sleep, the sun will rise tomorrow on an intact world.

Friends, I’m from Russia and I can say, that we don’t want it. Government do all they want, we can’t do anything. Product costs like in your country, but we earn 300-500$ in a month, Usually 300, and it’s big trouble. Police don’t protect us, they are like government’s dogs, all that they want – take us to the jail.
We spend to the rent 30-50% of all money, and I can’t understand, why all world says – Russians! Russian!

No! It’s not Russians, it’s a P*tin and his friends.
We just people, who in a bad situation, our governmen hate us, all world hate us.
Government take all our money and makes a fools from us, they have houses in all countries, but we live in a sh*t, we eat not good food, our water is dirty.
In a Russia 2 city – Moscow and Peterburg, Thats all, everywhere else peolpe dying without food, warm…
They sell petroll to us more expencive then in other country, we just resource for taxes and fees(

Hi Russian Boy!
It’s not true, that all hate you. The german people want to cooperate with Russia, because you are the natural partner of the germans. But the dictators in London, Paris, Washington and others prevent it. And thats the reason, why Poland and the other countries south of Poland have the task to seperate us. Dont’t believe it, that all hate the Russians!

Dear Gary. It is good that you understand that we are not evil for You. We don’t want war at all, and neither do you. After all, if we are together, we are people and we do not distinguish, yet not say a word. The question is simple – who should quarrel with us?

Between Alaska and Severomorsk (where the Russian submarine arrived after the fire) thousands of nautical miles. Learn geography stuрid аss.
Torpedo Balkans 2000 – does not exist. Media рiss you in the ears, and you swallow and happily ask for supplements, mоrоns.

A) A Balkin 2000 Torpedo cant be found on the internet.
B) Sinking an American Sun in US waters is an act of war and The left would already be blaming Trump for the loss. Even though the left Considers The Russians Trumps best friends.

I think the fire makes more sense and its mentioned in the Russian media.

America and Russia will work it out with Trump & Putin. After all, Alaska was Sold to America by Russia and America is still giving the Ukraine Millions to Clean up Chernobyl! This Kremlin Strike is an example of Unexpected Blow Back on the Seamen Killed!

United States is the worldly protector of Israel; thus, United States will be taken out of the picture before the heathen nations will attempt to destroy Israel.
United States is the modern day Babylon, or Mystery Babylon which is spoken of in Revelation 18. Neither Pres. Trump nor all of United States Armed Forces can save that which God has given over for destruction. Ultimately God is in control and reading of the Book of Judges should convince you of that.
God has never allowed the destruction of a nation nor of its people before first sending His warnings through His prophets and watchmen. His first warnings made known to me came on Apr. 3, 1994 by the Holy Spirit leading me to the visions which God gave to Pastor Dumitru Duduman. If interested in this, Google; “The Message for America – Hand of Help Ministries.” If you don’t believe in God nor the Holy Spirit, Google: “Watchman On The Wall – The Greater Message.” It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4).

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It doesn’t sound like anything happened. Debka conflated the news of a fire aboard a Russian sub with Vice President Pence’s recall to Washington and invented the supposed Russia – US clash. Debka provides absolutely no evidence that the US has lost a sub – presumably with all hands – which could amount to hundreds of sailors. Nobody involved is reacting as they would if there had been a real sinking of a US sub by a Russian sub whether in US waters or not. If the US has lost any subs or sailors that fact cannot be hidden more than a few hours. By now the next of kin will have already lost their regular and routine contacts with the sub crew and will have already contacted known shipmates learnt that there has been no contact with any of the crew. By now the families should already be demanding a public explanation. If the US sailors died by enemy action, their service records will have to reflect that; they will have to be paid higher pensions and survivor benefits, I think. By now, the Democrats would be weaponizing the sub’s loss and attacking Trump as a warmonger, or for refusing to retaliate against his friend Putin: take your pick. By now, earthquake scientists would be reporting that they had recorded the sounds of a submarine explosion and then the implosion of the ship as it was crushed by water pressure. They would even be able to detect where and when the explosions occurred. Whenever there is a hint of a Russia – US clash, the US forces sharply increase their DEFCON – readiness – status, which requires worldwide actions by all US armed forces. But there is no hint of any such reactions. Why are these things not happening? And why did the US let Trump step into North Korea when a war with Russia might be starting?

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Who after the collapse of the USSR does not cease to expand Nato? Who prepared for the Russian nuclear strike in 1946?
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In all the reports I’ve read about this sub fight there is never any mention of injuries or deaths of those on the US Sub. Why is that? Is this a false flag operation to discredit Trump’s dealings with N. Korea?

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So, let me get this straight:
The alleged incident happened in the Bering sea. In USA waters near Alaska.
Allegedly the Norwegians noticed something…
The fire damaged sub was sailed Severomorsk port in the Barents sea.
The Bering sea and the Barents sea are over 5000 km apart.
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Something happened internationally. One–perhaps two- underwater vessels were lost. The silence of the American government is deafening; the Russian pronouncements sound defensive and exculpatory. One wonders if a “FAILSAFE” manoever was employed–to avoid war, the offending country sacrificed one of its own.

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