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Accelerating IntelligenceSat, 10 Dec 2016 00:21:36 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1By: Alfred Schickentanzhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-246395
Alfred SchickentanzTue, 22 Jul 2014 03:18:11 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-246395Hello Ray,
thank you for making your thought available for the world to see. I am in my seventies and would love to be around to see what will happen.
These are some of my ideas to speed up this process.
Homo Immortalis Omnipotent
Living in “Infinite Space-Time”! No more “human created secondhand God’s”!
The function assigned to GOD is now available through understanding
the Universe we are part of. We will be the Engineers of our own body chemistry, in the Infinity of Space-Time we can live forever.
Biotechnology will control the “aging process” (we don’t wear out, but are DNA programmed to age), and “involuntary death” will not exist any more.
Science, Gene Engineering, Nano Technology, Epigenesis, Astrophysics
etc. and Extra Terrestrial Migration will allow for “Goal Oriented Evolution”, leading to HOMO IMMORTALIS OMNIPOTENT.
The fact that you are reading this is a good sign.
Many people know that we all have to die, so anything that may undermine that believe will be avoided.
If this would be information confirming that there is life after death, which is something many of us deem possible, we would be more inclined to believe it. The reason is, that once we have formed a believe and have been influenced accordingly, we are more reluctant to reevaluate our acceptance of it.
Since I grew up in a katholik environment I was sure that by following the rules, I would go to heaven and presumable not be dead.
I am now over seventy years old and have lived and loved on five Continents. With the information and experiences I have been exposed to, I have come to the conclusion, that science will make it possible that we can keep on living here, instead of dying and going to heaven.
You may be inclined to believe in some form of life in heaven, because that is the opinion of confirmed authorities. I can assure you, that looking for information based on up to date science, leading to youthfulness and the avoidance of death, will not do any harm, but may give you more time to do so.
You probably ask, what is this about?
It is like a quantum leap. A move to a new state of being. In the material world it would be like the jump from the atom to a mineral. Or from a multicellular organism to a cerebral animal. Or from a culture that depends on an “idealized self projected image (God)”, to provide protection and escape from annihilation , to a society that uses science and technology to solve the problems of sickness and death.
The tools that propelled us from primates to “Homo sapiens sapiens”, will now be developed, so we will evolve to Homo Immortalis Omnipotent.
Of course there will be opposition from institutions that now have the monopoly on “Life after death”. They should not worry, because our need for entertainment will always exist. Even sincere moral and religious disapproval should not divert us from taking this next step in evolution.
Just like the hydrogen atom did not know that it would become the planet we now live on, even though it already contained the basic code leading to the status qua. We will realize that the abilities that we have assigned to our God’s, are now for us to acquire.
The only limit is our imagination! Freedom from death now!
P.S.
I hope CALICO is making good progress. Good luck!Hello Ray,
thank you for making your thought available for the world to see. I am in my seventies and would love to be around to see what will happen.
These are some of my ideas to speed up this process.

Homo Immortalis Omnipotent
Living in “Infinite Space-Time”! No more “human created secondhand God’s”!

The function assigned to GOD is now available through understanding
the Universe we are part of. We will be the Engineers of our own body chemistry, in the Infinity of Space-Time we can live forever.

Biotechnology will control the “aging process” (we don’t wear out, but are DNA programmed to age), and “involuntary death” will not exist any more.

Many people know that we all have to die, so anything that may undermine that believe will be avoided.

If this would be information confirming that there is life after death, which is something many of us deem possible, we would be more inclined to believe it. The reason is, that once we have formed a believe and have been influenced accordingly, we are more reluctant to reevaluate our acceptance of it.

Since I grew up in a katholik environment I was sure that by following the rules, I would go to heaven and presumable not be dead.

I am now over seventy years old and have lived and loved on five Continents. With the information and experiences I have been exposed to, I have come to the conclusion, that science will make it possible that we can keep on living here, instead of dying and going to heaven.

You may be inclined to believe in some form of life in heaven, because that is the opinion of confirmed authorities. I can assure you, that looking for information based on up to date science, leading to youthfulness and the avoidance of death, will not do any harm, but may give you more time to do so.

You probably ask, what is this about?

It is like a quantum leap. A move to a new state of being. In the material world it would be like the jump from the atom to a mineral. Or from a multicellular organism to a cerebral animal. Or from a culture that depends on an “idealized self projected image (God)”, to provide protection and escape from annihilation , to a society that uses science and technology to solve the problems of sickness and death.

The tools that propelled us from primates to “Homo sapiens sapiens”, will now be developed, so we will evolve to Homo Immortalis Omnipotent.

Of course there will be opposition from institutions that now have the monopoly on “Life after death”. They should not worry, because our need for entertainment will always exist. Even sincere moral and religious disapproval should not divert us from taking this next step in evolution.

Just like the hydrogen atom did not know that it would become the planet we now live on, even though it already contained the basic code leading to the status qua. We will realize that the abilities that we have assigned to our God’s, are now for us to acquire.

The only limit is our imagination! Freedom from death now!

P.S.
I hope CALICO is making good progress. Good luck!

]]>By: steve pescehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-244075
steve pesceFri, 04 Apr 2014 18:01:51 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-244075I really enjoyed this one. I think it requires a lot of reflection to even begin to comment on it. But it's very intriguing. :-)I really enjoyed this one. I think it requires a lot of reflection to even begin to comment on it. But it’s very intriguing. :-)
]]>By: Doug Sockshttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-40061
Doug SocksTue, 09 Oct 2012 19:07:21 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-40061I am an atheist who beleives in God. While you might beleive that is a contradition in terms, you would be wrong.
The Real God is not some supernatural contstruct of our imaginations but rather the natural conclusion of the technological singularity.
Given a closed, rather than open universe, would it not then follow that the God at the end of time would also be the programmer at the beginning of it?
Yes, that is assuming quite a bit, but like any form of speculation it is far more fun than it is functional, and I see no reason to embrace nihilisim in the light of a far more probable end state to universal intelligence.I am an atheist who beleives in God. While you might beleive that is a contradition in terms, you would be wrong.

The Real God is not some supernatural contstruct of our imaginations but rather the natural conclusion of the technological singularity.

Given a closed, rather than open universe, would it not then follow that the God at the end of time would also be the programmer at the beginning of it?

Yes, that is assuming quite a bit, but like any form of speculation it is far more fun than it is functional, and I see no reason to embrace nihilisim in the light of a far more probable end state to universal intelligence.

]]>By: Ivanhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-9418
IvanThu, 01 Mar 2012 20:02:52 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-9418Hi,
After working several years on AI, I changed my opinion and concluded that my robots are not destinated to serve mankind only, but rather god. I am now in the process of introducing faith and spirituality in them, but I have the feeling that they have already begun to act like angels. The artificial singularity seems to have been already overrun by spirituality.Hi,
After working several years on AI, I changed my opinion and concluded that my robots are not destinated to serve mankind only, but rather god. I am now in the process of introducing faith and spirituality in them, but I have the feeling that they have already begun to act like angels. The artificial singularity seems to have been already overrun by spirituality.
]]>By: TheVenusProject.Comhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-3015
TheVenusProject.ComTue, 05 Apr 2011 02:25:52 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-3015Hello Ray..
As we all know we are living rather Accelerated times when Science and Technology is developing an ever accelerated pace and even the rate of acceleration is increasing too..
But still todays Humanity is still stuck up in Middle Age in terms of its Social Organization and Social System.. .We are currently living in a world where 1% of the world population own 40% of the worlds resources and almost 80% of the world population are living in poverty and more than half of which are living in day to day hunger.. Todays Monetary Based System which is Profit Oriented at ANY COST .. is jusit further debilitating this Social Stratification and Social Class gap widenings.. Poor are getting poorer.. rich are getting richer.. Corporotocracy has invaded Politicians via bribes and influences.. FED and all other Central Banks are being strictly controlled by Few Extremely Wealthy and Influential Families such as Rockerfeller and Rothschild.. JP Morgan.. They are funding every representatives election campaigns and every presidents election campaigns either openly or covertly.. and thus controlling the whole governments all around the world with their Miltary Industrial Complex and Bought out Mass Media.. and of course via their Privately Owned Federal Reserve Bank which relentlessly prints more money out of thin air and further enriching the rich via the increasing Interest rates.. especially in the third world countries.. Doesn't it seem that one day general public would bo so angry that they would literally want to eradicate the whole rich and those gangsters who are manipulating all the atrocities going on in the world? It seems that if we do not Stop the Monetary System there is a greater possibility that desperate hungry, poor, young people would just do everything to blow up and fight with the "System" which favors the rich and gets rid of the unwanted "poors" and exploits them further for its own interest..
Solutions are offered by the Venus Project --www.thevenusproject.com and the Zeitgeist Movement..
Have you watched Zeitgeist Documentaries? www.zeitgeistmovie.com ?
I really would like to hear your opinion about these issues.. How can we solve all this? and waht should we do? And please watch Zeitgeist Documentaries and inform your thoughts..
Wait for your replies.Hello Ray..

As we all know we are living rather Accelerated times when Science and Technology is developing an ever accelerated pace and even the rate of acceleration is increasing too..

But still todays Humanity is still stuck up in Middle Age in terms of its Social Organization and Social System.. .We are currently living in a world where 1% of the world population own 40% of the worlds resources and almost 80% of the world population are living in poverty and more than half of which are living in day to day hunger.. Todays Monetary Based System which is Profit Oriented at ANY COST .. is jusit further debilitating this Social Stratification and Social Class gap widenings.. Poor are getting poorer.. rich are getting richer.. Corporotocracy has invaded Politicians via bribes and influences.. FED and all other Central Banks are being strictly controlled by Few Extremely Wealthy and Influential Families such as Rockerfeller and Rothschild.. JP Morgan.. They are funding every representatives election campaigns and every presidents election campaigns either openly or covertly.. and thus controlling the whole governments all around the world with their Miltary Industrial Complex and Bought out Mass Media.. and of course via their Privately Owned Federal Reserve Bank which relentlessly prints more money out of thin air and further enriching the rich via the increasing Interest rates.. especially in the third world countries.. Doesn’t it seem that one day general public would bo so angry that they would literally want to eradicate the whole rich and those gangsters who are manipulating all the atrocities going on in the world? It seems that if we do not Stop the Monetary System there is a greater possibility that desperate hungry, poor, young people would just do everything to blow up and fight with the “System” which favors the rich and gets rid of the unwanted “poors” and exploits them further for its own interest..

Solutions are offered by the Venus Project –www.thevenusproject.com and the Zeitgeist Movement..
Have you watched Zeitgeist Documentaries? http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com ?
I really would like to hear your opinion about these issues.. How can we solve all this? and waht should we do? And please watch Zeitgeist Documentaries and inform your thoughts..
Wait for your replies.

]]>By: iPanhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-2972
iPanWed, 30 Mar 2011 15:16:51 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-2972The simplest expression of God, if you want to avoid the cultural trappings, and find something that can be applied universally is this:
God is an Asymptote.
From Wiki:
In analytic geometry, an asymptote of a curve is a line such that the distance between the curve and the line approaches zero as they tend to infinity.
I like this because it transcends cultural boundaries, but obviously makes room for all of God's attributes (omni-...)The simplest expression of God, if you want to avoid the cultural trappings, and find something that can be applied universally is this:

God is an Asymptote.

From Wiki:
In analytic geometry, an asymptote of a curve is a line such that the distance between the curve and the line approaches zero as they tend to infinity.

I like this because it transcends cultural boundaries, but obviously makes room for all of God’s attributes (omni-…)

]]>By: RobinSongshttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-2960
RobinSongsTue, 29 Mar 2011 17:54:09 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-2960NakedApe, humanity will be upgraded eventually which is the whole point. But it still doesn't answer the question of who or what created evolution.NakedApe, humanity will be upgraded eventually which is the whole point. But it still doesn’t answer the question of who or what created evolution.
]]>By: NakedApehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-2931
NakedApeSun, 27 Mar 2011 17:53:34 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-2931Yes, I am confused also. Why do otherwise very intelligent people, including Albert Einstein, keep babbling about some Big Ape in the sky? Are they just using "God" as a metaphor for the wonder of the Universe and all the things we still haven't managed to explain? If so, then they should just say so. Or are they just pandering to the drooling idiots who, for millennia, have been using superstitious ideologies to terrorize their fellow human beings and obtain power which they don't even come close to deserving? It is high time that the intelligent people of the world united and told the religious numbskulls to take a hike into oblivion and allow the rest of us to enjoy an ever progressive, humanistic, non-misogynistic, non-homophobic, non-jingoistic and non-racist society where everyone can fulfill her or his potential and achieve the greatest personal happiness possible. Otherwise why be alive? Oh yea, so we can enjoy Paradise after we are dead! What a bunch of nonsense!
Face it folks. There is no Big Hairy Patriarch up in the Sky, watching over us, his little improved apes. We are self-organized minerals who, through evolution, achieved intelligence over 4.5 billion years of this planet's existence. That is a mind-boggling wonder in itself and we don't need to bow to ignorance and stupidity to appreciate it. We are "star-stuff" as Carl Sagan put it. Bask in the glory of that scientific fact and not some non-existent, anthropomorphic entity. Thank you for reading and have a good life.Yes, I am confused also. Why do otherwise very intelligent people, including Albert Einstein, keep babbling about some Big Ape in the sky? Are they just using “God” as a metaphor for the wonder of the Universe and all the things we still haven’t managed to explain? If so, then they should just say so. Or are they just pandering to the drooling idiots who, for millennia, have been using superstitious ideologies to terrorize their fellow human beings and obtain power which they don’t even come close to deserving? It is high time that the intelligent people of the world united and told the religious numbskulls to take a hike into oblivion and allow the rest of us to enjoy an ever progressive, humanistic, non-misogynistic, non-homophobic, non-jingoistic and non-racist society where everyone can fulfill her or his potential and achieve the greatest personal happiness possible. Otherwise why be alive? Oh yea, so we can enjoy Paradise after we are dead! What a bunch of nonsense!
Face it folks. There is no Big Hairy Patriarch up in the Sky, watching over us, his little improved apes. We are self-organized minerals who, through evolution, achieved intelligence over 4.5 billion years of this planet’s existence. That is a mind-boggling wonder in itself and we don’t need to bow to ignorance and stupidity to appreciate it. We are “star-stuff” as Carl Sagan put it. Bask in the glory of that scientific fact and not some non-existent, anthropomorphic entity. Thank you for reading and have a good life.
]]>By: TheSingularityIsGoodhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-2906
TheSingularityIsGoodWed, 23 Mar 2011 23:10:59 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-2906Dear Ray,
My husband and I are your fans and followers. We are so impressed by the movie Transcendent Man, which we watched the other night. Your personal story touched our lives. Your mission to defy death is a noble one. I, too, fear death the way you do only that I doubt if I am disciplined enough to take 250 pills a day. My background is the humanities and my husband’s business but we both admire science and especially the “science of the future” so to speak. I am particularly fascinated by AI. The idea of having a smart machine understanding our needs and fulfilling them is very tempting. I was wondering if, in theory, one day we could create a man/cyborg/robot/half machine/half man who would encompass several fictional characters gathered from books and films, a so-called prototype of all desired characteristics. I also wish to live at a time where that special robotic blood cell is available for our use…Would not that be lovely if we store no more fat and the Type 1 diabetes my husband suffers from be resolved?
We wonder what your thoughts are on Fusion Power. You mentioned solar panels but isn’t Fusion even better? My husband had interviewed personnel in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and could not be happier speaking with those great minds. Although I somewhat fear to lose some of our humanity, I am all for “improvement”. Life is difficult enough and I would enjoy a “godlike” existence. I wonder about your views about Jung and the film Knowing, as well as The Road and Limitless. With all the natural disasters going on, do you think we will make it to The Singularity? The film Artificial Intelligence is one of my favorites although it makes me very sad. I think we would need to consider compassion for those “machines” as well, not just for humans. We have watched and read so much by Carl Sagan, Phillip Dick and Arthur Clarke, as well as Asimov and Heinlein. Your work is sacred for us as it can save the human race from itself. Personally, I regard you as our next Einstein and DaVinci if not much better than them.
I wish we could attend the Singularity University but we live on the other coast…Perhaps we could visit you in the MIT for a lecture or a seminar one day? Thank you so much for what you have been doing for humanity. Best Wishes. We hope your vision will create a better future for us all.Dear Ray,

My husband and I are your fans and followers. We are so impressed by the movie Transcendent Man, which we watched the other night. Your personal story touched our lives. Your mission to defy death is a noble one. I, too, fear death the way you do only that I doubt if I am disciplined enough to take 250 pills a day. My background is the humanities and my husband’s business but we both admire science and especially the “science of the future” so to speak. I am particularly fascinated by AI. The idea of having a smart machine understanding our needs and fulfilling them is very tempting. I was wondering if, in theory, one day we could create a man/cyborg/robot/half machine/half man who would encompass several fictional characters gathered from books and films, a so-called prototype of all desired characteristics. I also wish to live at a time where that special robotic blood cell is available for our use…Would not that be lovely if we store no more fat and the Type 1 diabetes my husband suffers from be resolved?

We wonder what your thoughts are on Fusion Power. You mentioned solar panels but isn’t Fusion even better? My husband had interviewed personnel in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and could not be happier speaking with those great minds. Although I somewhat fear to lose some of our humanity, I am all for “improvement”. Life is difficult enough and I would enjoy a “godlike” existence. I wonder about your views about Jung and the film Knowing, as well as The Road and Limitless. With all the natural disasters going on, do you think we will make it to The Singularity? The film Artificial Intelligence is one of my favorites although it makes me very sad. I think we would need to consider compassion for those “machines” as well, not just for humans. We have watched and read so much by Carl Sagan, Phillip Dick and Arthur Clarke, as well as Asimov and Heinlein. Your work is sacred for us as it can save the human race from itself. Personally, I regard you as our next Einstein and DaVinci if not much better than them.

I wish we could attend the Singularity University but we live on the other coast…Perhaps we could visit you in the MIT for a lecture or a seminar one day? Thank you so much for what you have been doing for humanity. Best Wishes. We hope your vision will create a better future for us all.

]]>By: rbwillihttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-science-and-god/comment-page-1#comment-2898
rbwilliWed, 23 Mar 2011 12:12:08 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=112698#comment-2898I'm confused; how is "finding God" a logical conclusion of science, or the Singularity, or anything? Wouldn't it make more sense that, upon greatly improving our knowledge and intelligence, we would abandon the myths invented by profoundly ignorant beings of the past?
Sincerely,
Profoundly IgnorantI’m confused; how is “finding God” a logical conclusion of science, or the Singularity, or anything? Wouldn’t it make more sense that, upon greatly improving our knowledge and intelligence, we would abandon the myths invented by profoundly ignorant beings of the past?