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Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

I know the pitching has been bad but I do belive the pressure of having to pitch with an offense that usually scores 3 runs or less behind you has to be in the back of thier minds. That could be leading to them pitching to fine. I mean who figured the game was over when it was 3 - 0? I know I did.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

Pitching with an offense like our behind DEFINITELY makes a difference.

If any of you have ever pitched a game in yoru life you would know what i mean. Having an explosive offense makes you Pitch with much more confidence and not so Critical of every single pitch you make could mean the end of the game.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

or maybe we woulda won that one game... and then lost all the same games we have lost since then, simply because we have the worst offense in the league. quit blaming this on one game. we had soo many games that could have seemed to deflate this team, but in reality it didn't. the first one that comes to mind is that sunday game where micah owings had that homerun to tie it but we lost in extras. also, that one where coco blew after the rain delay. there are at least a half dozen other "delaters". one game does not tell a season. our offense would suck no matter what, enough said

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

Originally Posted by sivman17

or maybe we woulda won that one game... and then lost all the same games we have lost since then, simply because we have the worst offense in the league. quit blaming this on one game. we had soo many games that could have seemed to deflate this team, but in reality it didn't. the first one that comes to mind is that sunday game where micah owings had that homerun to tie it but we lost in extras. also, that one where coco blew after the rain delay. there are at least a half dozen other "delaters". one game does not tell a season. our offense would suck no matter what, enough said

Who said this was blaming the one game, if you're talking to me. The point is, since that point the team has been horrible. That's all it is.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

I really think that game was the turning point in the season, if we would have won that game. I would have been willing to bet then we would have took the series which would have sent a message to Walt and Bob. Probably unlikely but that may have lit a fire under Walt to make a trade then...but who knows..we could play these kind of games all day. Just my 2cents.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

I truly believe that in years to come, we can point to this game with certainty as the effective end of the 2009 season for the Cincinnati Reds.

That game was a crushing, demoralizing loss from which I believe we never fully recovered.

I said it that night prior to pitching to Pujols: walk him, concede the run, avoid the excellent possibility of a slam, get a double play and out of the inning, face AP no more that night. We all know what happened.

Homer had pitched a helluva game that night, Dusty should have pulled him and turned it over to the bullpen before it got to a crisis situation. We all know what happened.

So, if I'm asked: what was the 2009 turning point ? When did the Reds' last, best hope of making the playoffs end ?

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

Originally Posted by texasdave

You have to give Baker bigtime points for being persistent. Taveras back where he doesn't belong. On a positive note the sun came up again this morning.

hahaha bigtime points. i was wondering why people kept saying big time in the bakermetrics threads. i finally watched a post game interview with dusty, and he rattled it off like 3 or 4 times in 1 minute. i was rolling

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

You have to give Baker bigtime points for being persistent. Taveras back where he doesn't belong. On a positive note the sun came up again this morning.

Actually, it's cloudy here today...haven't seen the sun yet

...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

If Tony LaRussa managed the Reds they win that game. He's smart of enough to realize you don't let some guys beat you. There's no way LaRussa would pitch to Pujols in that situation. If you remember in the bottom of the ninth he went out an told Ryan Frankin to walk Votto even though he was the winning run. You don't let guys like Votto and Pujols beat you, especially when the rest of both lineups are pretty poor. Not saying this game would have changed the season, but who knows.

Re: Reds record since STL game choke: 6-20

Originally Posted by LouisvilleCARDS

Amazing. That's the turning point of the season, we had a chance to only be a game and a half back, and now we're one of the worst teams in baseball.

Lets not forget the 14 inning disaster just a few days later against the Cubs when the Reds stranded guys on 2nd and 3rd with less then 2 out in what seemed like every inning after the 8th.I was actually at that game with my 3 year old son(his first Reds game).I just hope he's young enough to forget that one.IMO this game contributed to the beginning of the end just as much as the St. Louis choke job.Either way those were two difficult loses in a 3 day span that I'd guess was a pretty good shot to the gut for the players.

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