There Are Innate, Biological Sex Differences In The Jealousy Response

A long time ago , CH criticized “Sex at Dawn” writer, Christopher Ryan, for his beliefs that jealousy is a social construct (or a recent, malleable, adaptation) and his presumption that polyamory is the natural state of de-Christianized, de-programmed white Europeans.

But there is also the powerful emotion of jealousy, a painful emotion which is not socially constructed, but is instead a visceral hindbrain reaction in the majority of men to thoughts of their women fucking other men. Did jealousy really evolve in just the last 10,000 years, or has it been with humanity for eons? It is possible that jealousy is a more recent evolution in the human psyche, and perhaps there are population group level differences in how much jealousy is experienced as a motivating impulse. (Maybe Africans feel less jealousy than Asians toward cheating partners.)

Whatever the evolution of jealousy, it is clearly an indicator that men DO give a fuck about paternity, and are NOT Ok with promiscuous women as long term partners who have been chosen to carry their young. If virginity weren’t valued by men, there would be no market for it. But in many large scale societies, not only is there an implicit market for virgins, there is an overt market for them.

I don’t need a laboratory or multiple Pee Aich Dees to know that men feel more more white hot jealousy for a sexually cheating girlfriend or wife, and that women feel more jealousy for an emotionally cheating boyfriend or husband. One would have to have been born and raised in an SJW reeducation camp to believe otherwise.

These are the observed CH ugly truths that discredit feminism and its parent ideology, equalism, and drive their adherents crazy with rage.

Which is why, once the equalist liars are twisted into a rictus of butthurt, I like to ease the shiv in further, whispering to them in their death agonies, “Give up, you don’t stand a chance! Let’s end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You’ll see it will be over quickly.” And, since the anti-human leftoids pride themselves on their fellowship with ¡SCIENCE!, nothing quite delivers the killing blow like enlisting the aid of their godhead to betray them to their last breaths.

Despite some controversy about sex differences in jealousy, data largely support that sex differences studied with the forced choice (FC) paradigm are robust: Men, relative to women, report greater jealousy in response to sexual infidelity than in response to emotional infidelity. Corresponding sex differences for continuous measures of jealousy typically have been less robust in the literature. A large sample of Norwegian students (N = 1074) randomly responded to either FC or continuous measure questionnaires covering four infidelity scenarios. Large, comparable, theoretically-predicted sex differences were evident for both FC and continuous measures. Relationship status, infidelity experiences, and question order manipulation (activation) did not consistently influence the sex differences for either measure, nor did individual differences in sociosexual orientation or relationship commitment. These large sex differences are especially noteworthy as they emerge from a highly egalitarian nation with high paternal investment expectancy, and because they contradict social role theories that predict a diminution of psychological sex differences as gender economic equality increases.

There will never be a polyamorous culture, legalized or de facto, in European-derived nations that doesn’t end in tears. Feminism, as per usual, is a crock of shit and a belief system that, contrary to its stated intent of enlarging the moral universe, strips humans of both sexes of their humanity.

God in Heaven, I hope and PRAY that CH is correct when he asserts that we have a genetic propensity for K-Selection which can withstand this totalitarian scorched-earth assault from Evil Psychiatry Inc and the Gramsci Project and their graduates who control Scrotial Media and iPhag addiction.

Have you ever seen a picture of Antonio Gramsci? He looks a lot like Pajama-Boi and has that snarky, smarky look that modern-day hipsters and SJWs have whenever they lecture you on the eviiiiiiils of America.

Why so mad against polyamory, it is the perfect strategy for an alpha male with game, multiple long term partners without having to lie to them, children with one or more of them simultaneously. It’s a natural pre-Christian state for high value men.

A natural pre-religious state for high value men was also living in mud huts, routine famines and dying around the age of 35 at the hands of a younger, higher value man. Human society disintegrates when the many lesser men are disenfranchised and denied resources. Betas and Deltas built our world and if they are not rewarded they will not maintain it.

> “it is the perfect strategy for an alpha male” —– It’s the perfect strategy for R-Selected Oriental Slithery Eskimo Reptiles like Woody Allen and Andre Previn who want polygamous harems of shiksas at their beck and call. Although I guess they’d have to fight to the death over who gets Mia Farrow.

Because I prefer living in a world where I’m not fleeced to take care of the bastards of other men and where other men besides myself are invested in society – that’s how great things are made. I suppose maybe both me and ch would prefer that kind of society to having to keep our escapades on the down low.

And while I disagree with superslaviswife about who built our civilization(it wasn’t the obedient robots who make baubles for us to buy at the mall), she’s right that the natural state of people without a patriarchal morality is living in mud huts and dying young. I also don’t accept the ‘natural’ argument because it’s just sophistry: either all of what we build and make is natural(e.g. It’s natural for us to craft moral and legal codes), either all of what we build isn’t natural(the right to life of men, or property rights should be eschewed for you to live in a natural state: I.e. Your neighbor should be allowed to bash your skull and fuck your daughters by multiple women right in front of you). There’s no middle ground.

I do agree with you in a limited sense though, that Christian morality encourages the reproduction of shit heads way too much.

[CH: when a man cheats on his wife, she gets mad and, despite herself, a little aroused (especially if the other woman is hot). when a man falls in love with someone not his wife, her heart sinks in despair.]

that’s why mistresses are usually a lot more jealous of the wives than the wives are of the mistresses. the mistress knows the emotional and financial investment a man has in his wife is worth a lot more than his sexual investment in her so she is naturally going to be insecure about your feelings for her no matter how many times you tell her you love her. actions do speak louder than words after all.

that’s why making an occasional small gesture of emotional investment is important if you want to keep a mistress happy and sticking around. a small gift once in awhile, sharing some of your personal thoughts and dreams, a special little outing that you can talk about later, etc. all those things take very little effort but they go along way in making a girl feel like she’s more than just a wet hole.

guys on here will say, gifts and stuff like that are a big no no but they aren’t seeing the bigger picture here. it’s all about how the girl perceives your investment in her. when you are supporting the wife, emotionally, financially, etc., day in and day out, the wife knows how invested you are. you don’t have to prove anything to her. same goes for a girlfriend you take out all the time and spend money on. so in those cases, gifts and special outings would probably be overkill and show too much investment on your part.

but the mistress doesn’t get any of that usually and women know sex doesn’t mean love to most men. that means she is going get jealous of your displays of love and devotion to your wife and she will constantly question whether or not she’s wasting her love and devotion on a man who doesn’t care about her.

speaking from experience here. a little trinket or some lingerie once in awhile is well worth it when it comes to mistresses. not too often or you’ll end up with an ungrateful shrew like your wife. but believe me, there’s nothing better than an already horny mistress who you’ve just surprised with a rare and unexpected token of your affection. nothing better.

Yeah. I’d wager that there’s a strong genetic component to jealousy. It seems to run in certain families, but not all the members. A family of 5 will have, say, 2 members born sizzling with dat crazy jealousy, and the other 3 are chilled and just roll their eyes.

[CH: more like 4 to 1. and nobody just rolls their eyes. what they do is suppress their urge to lash out, and try to act cool about it because they know acting cool is personally beneficial to their short-term SMV.]

nobody just rolls their eyes. what they do is suppress their urge to lash out, and try to act cool about it because they know acting cool is personally beneficial to their short-term SMV.

exactly. unless a girl is a piece of crap who you have no feelings for whatsoever, you’re going to get jealous thinking of her with other guys. some people are just better at hiding their jealousy than others.

follow up occurred while at the gym, bros. on my comment that was tweeted to the world…

You wanna marry, you got to look for the 3 F’s.
Foxy
faithful
Fertile
Otherwise rent it.
Also, as for ending up alone at the nursing home. The way I hear it, any swinging dick that remembers his name’s getting more granny ass than a toilet seat. So…

ya, those ancients (pre-1968) sure were stupid. The little man in the sky told them to do this weird thing called “marriage” which resolved many of the jealousy issues that have even led to deaths or suicides. I mean, women know they are passing on their genes when they get pregnant, why can’t men just be happy for them? I am so glad we live in a modern society now where we don’t have to invent crazy ideas like that. Didn’t they know only gay people can get married, fuck.

because these pua gods say so, all over the mano. casual plates (they always have 5 plates it seems) picked up in bars/night spots/wherever who have boyfriends (the great boast of the master pua is to poach and if she’s a girlfriend and not a wife she’s definitely sexually active with her bf) or who are just looking for a casual good time (which means they aren’t in love or exclusive with anyone which means they are sexually active with others because they are out at night spots looking for a casual hookup, unless anyone here actually believes her when she says, “i’ve never done this before”).

“men who are good with women are also good at monopolizing women’s love”

so there is a difference between being good with women and getting in their pants? puas claim the only measure of game success is the lay, regardless of quality of both the girl and the sex. and her sexual activity with other men doesn’t even factor into the equation. actually, the sluttier the better. and they definitely don’t care about love. they are disgusted by the thought of it as much as most men are disgusted by a slutty woman.

“beta males get the sloppy seconds.”

so a pua, who picks up and lays a HB9 (this happens every weekend for these gods) who before going out to the club got her brains fucked out by her bf or her fuckbuddy, is beta?

“alpha males get them when they’re piping hot from the oven.”

so the only notch count that matters is virgin notch? under 18 notch? under 21 notch? girls with less than 3 notches themselves?

so boasting about your pickup lays with 26 year old carousel skanks is actually just professing your massive betahood?

while there is much overlap between pua and red pill, there is also a lot of difference. most men are going to be physiologically averse to the pua plate lifestyle.

a silverback can’t be a cockroach. too bad because the silverback ends up murdered or in a zoo while the cockroach spreads to every corner of the earth.

most people are in awe when the see a silverback. and they try their best to exterminate the cockroach.

you do have a good point about poaching. never really understood why guys go after girls who are already in relationships. i’ve never been interested in sharing girls with anyone. it’s a big turn off for me.

even a girl says she doesn’t sleep with the boyfriend or husband anymore and she’s going to leave him or whatever. you’ve gotta know that isn’t the whole truth. unless the guy knows without a doubt that they are done, she’s gonna put out as much as she needs to to keep the peace while she’s with him.

Hypergamy. Pre-selection or if they’ve got Cluster B tendancies…to avoid intimacy and because of their inherent low self-esteem see pursuing someone else’s husband or bf as a thrill only to usually dump him when he leaves that partner to be with the Cluster B.

I fuck two girls who have boyfriends. You somehow think these girls fuck their boyfriends much. I don’t want to imagine how pathetic it must be for your girlfriend to always be shaved smooth when she doesn’t give you the monthly sex, while she doesn’t really care about getting you off. So… If you ever had a girlfriend who didn’t fuck you at least twice a week, she had her needs met elsewhere(my rule of thumb).

Im really curious though. What makes you think these girls are sexually active with their wimpy boyfriends? One of the girls I fuck actually tortures her boyfriend by denying him sex and when she plans to fuck him, I fuck her in the ass first so that he won’t know she’s cheating.

Hi CH 🙂
Longtime female reader (this site is my secret guilty pleasure)
What do I do about my husband’s cheating? Together since high school married 4 years now with 3 children and he wants more children still, but still wants a partying bachelor type life too and I’ve caught him so many times but he never stops.
Thanks 🙂

[CH: i’ll need to know more background to properly advise you. tell me about your physical condition now. is it better, worse, or the same as the day he met you? how is your sex life? how is his social and financial status? higher, lower, or same as when he met you?]

Thanks CH, I am ok now, but definitely worse than when we first got together, though he cheated even then when I was a hot 16yo. I used to be able to devote myself to extreme dieting (very underweight BMI) and now I just can’t get through the day if I try that, now with little children and a household to run. I’d eat like 500 calories a day and my body looked good. I have stretch marks and all that from my childbearing, but I am ok otherwise, keep my hair long, dress nice, my BMI is 21, I do diet and keep my weight in check, but I can’t like I did before. I know he is still attracted to me because we have sex almost every day and he’s passionate with me! And he always tells me that I have nice boobs! I’m 10 years older too though and I know all about “the wall!” His social status he has lots of friends, everyone loves him, financially he gets us by but we aren’t rich and he gets bored easy and likes to switch jobs alot.

[CH: ok. your physical decline (i hate to be rude but it matters) is contributing to his desire to stray, but then you say he cheated on you when you were in your prime as well. so you have fallen for a bad boy, and can’t help loving him. plus, it sounds like he still adores you and loves making love with you, and you are still in fairly good shape.

btw, forget about diets. hit the weight room and run sprints every morning. eat fewer grain carbs, more protein and fat, and more veggies. stand more than sit.

my advice: learn to live with his uncontainable masculine energy. i’m sorry i can’t offer you better, “fix it for me” advice, but you have married a man whom you KNEW from day one was susceptible to spread his seed amongst numerous beauties. you have married an alpha male, and with that territory comes the high risk of his refusal to abide monogamous strictures. as long as he continues to love and support you, your best bet may be accepting him for what he is.

if his cheating is intolerable to you, and you think breaking apart would be better than enduring more of his infidelity, then you must hit him with an ultimatum. but this strategy will only work if you mean what you say. are you ready for that?]

No offense, but you girls should stop expecting monogamy. I don’t know a single friend that abides by it, married or not. And those that didn’t cheat still will in a couple of years. They just didn’t muster up the courage yet. The reality is that you, women, broke marriage and we don’t give a shit about it anymore. And my married friends are married to sweet, pretty girls from good families and they don’t care about cheating on them. It’s just the 21st century life – just like we got used to divorce, the possibility of not having custody of our kids etc, you should get used to us diversifying risk by not putting all our eggs in one basket and having other girls. Or you can date losers who you know can’t cheat.

Ch, here’s an exchange of a friend with an ex of his he kept banging once in a while. She feels the wall approaching so she lost fat and is fit now so she asked him how does she look like. My friend said a single word: ‘old’. It made me lol that he still fucked her.

Re: Uncontainable masculine energy – I’d add the insight of 16 years of marriage to say – keep the home fires burning. Square away your household – and don’t be seen lugging laundry, washing up dishes or shuffling about like a wizened old maid. Do be seen walking the dog, reading to the kids, cooking and decorating. Be enthusiastic in bed, in the shower, in the car – spice things up, experiment with positions and lubes and lingere – do not let sex get routine. Also, arrange social events with old friends – if you were not the organiser before, become the one who makes things happen. If the house is filled with contentment, wine, women and song – then he’ll eventually see no need to look elsewhere.

what are some good ways to make it clear to a girl that you want her to stop seeing other guys and be faithful to you without coming off as jealous or needy?

this is a girl who i have been seeing for awhile but i have always made it clear to her that i wanted to keep it casual. i’ve even encouraged her to date other people since i couldn’t and wouldn’t be interested in a full blown relationship with her. i don’t think she has been seeing anyone since we’ve been hooking up but now i want to make sure she isn’t.

You blew I by encouraging her to see other people because now she’ll demand you stop seeing other girls if you change the status quo. Basically, she’s casual with you and a change like that would be a relationship. You can talk to her about her sex life casually and then blackmail her out of fucking other men if you fuck her better than them, but you shot yourself in the foot. By blackmail, I mean stop eating her out if she fucks other men and you do that to her or whatever. It’s what I’d do.

Jealousy is a female emotion and only finds its true expression in the custody of women. Just as women can never know the nature of justice, men can never truly know jealousy, not even effeminate men like TSW whom undoubtedly experiences it synthetically with all the tingling tremors and torments associated with the emotion.

Heartiste, Gary from England here. I’m an avid follower of you blog. Not neccesarily because it’s taught me alot about how to treat women (I’ve always been an unwitting asshole – thanks single mum), but because my intellectual curiosity is always stimulated by your unflinching razor-sharp analysis of our situation.
I have a question for you, the answer to which I’m hoping might help me as well. You often talk about being “poolside”, and yet almost every day, you take the time to write for this blog, and you obviously invest quite a bit in your posts, as they are neither amateurish nor hastily written.
While I do not see an inherent contradiction between being “poolside” (i.e. maximising your enjoyment of the decline, while it lasts) and writing for a blog which flies in the face of everything which is comfortable (and false) in our contemporary society, I would’ve thought that a man who is “poolside” would not care too much about enlightening others, since it’s all going to blow up anyway.
Is your dedication to this blog a testament to your latent faith that things can get better? Or is it done merely out of a leisurely, carefree attitude, who just calls it as it is, without there being an ultimate goal in mind?
Other than that, keep up the good work. I have no doubt that this blog will one day become a book which will become part of the western canon (in the sense that, say, William Burroughs belongs to the western canon).

I am becoming more and more convinced of epigenetic and pathogenic affects on sexual reproduction that have a deeply subconscious component.

There is the ever growing idea that germs, viruses, bacteria have a significant effect on human behavior. I have been at this idea for over two years and it began with study into the effect of the immune system and endocrine system on male sexual success or failure.

This week two big ideas came forward, (1) the idea that child disposition is a function of gut bacteria and then (2) this idea of toxplasmosis has a function in schizophrenia and is there is a positive correlation of this to being exposed to cats when very young.

A driver for me is this idea proposed by Greg Cochran from Westhunter that male homosexuality is caused by pathogen(s). A boy is infected with some pathogen(s) prior to puberty and the immune response to this infection leads to a severe behavioral change, all of which acts at the behest of the pathogen, to further facilitate the spread of it. This is a simplified description but this comment block is not sufficient to fully describe the basis of this theory. Suffice it to say that some serious heavy hitters prescribe to this theory. Chief among them is Jayman.

The idea was put forward that boyhood bullying is actually subconscious behavior on the part of young boys in response to a subconscious awareness of this potential pathogenic threat. When boys detect “sissy” behavior they act in concert to drive the “sissy” out as a manner of protecting themselves from pathogen. Once the boy goes through puberty then the threat is gone. Straight doesn’t “go” gay, and homo doesn’t unhomo.

Keep in mind this idea is mere conjecture. This is as much weight to the idea that young girls could be the carriers and young boys avoid them more completely than young girls attempt to avoid young boys. “Cooties” etc.

But the idea is that there is revulsion that is firmware to respond to pathogenic and epigenetic threat inherent in humans that comes preprogrammed and it takes massive social reprogramming to repress. Look at the massive effort spent on the part of leftist in repressing Bullying and in childhood “acceptance” of homos. It starts as early as kindergarten and often is behavior that is instinctive that befuddle SWPL parents as to where their boy could have “learned” such behavior.

The same is true in Male Jealousy. Not only is there the issue of paternity and cuckholding. But there are also other issues. I cannot remember the name of this concept. But genes of males are transferred to females certainly during pregnancy and probably also via sex. The sperm are believed to penetrate the vaginal walls and then attack the chromosomes of the female to replace them with the male chromosomes. It has been noted by breeders that subsequent folds possibly possess some of the genetic attributes of the initial sire. And why not? It would make sense that not only would the offspring have a males traits, but that the female get permanently altered such that she would pass on your genes with subsequent offspring.

We are just beginning to scratch the surface at the basis of pathogenic affect on everything from personality, immune system, endocrine system. Various forms of autoimmune disorder can be triggered by pathogens. A mother that carries a herpes virus can pass it to her offspring and at some point that herpes coupled with another inflammation can trigger an autoimmune response like MS, allergies, and even arthritis.

So it no shock that there is a severe emotional reaction on the part of men to sexual infidelity on the part of their mates. And this reaction is firmware, not learned, and it is subconscious, visceral, and real, because it is just too damn important to the very fundamental mission of why men exist, too reproduce and to provide the adaptive fitness necessary for his offspring.

Truth? Christopher Ryan, with lust-darkened mind, just *wants* Whites to be bonobos. Only in the White God-Man Christ can we find deliverance from the Bonobian sodomite hordes and their perverse delusions. And all burning apelings shall gnaw themselves to death in the fire pit of the great “gnashing of teeth.”

Women are more than willing to share with other women if their choice is to share or settle for a less optimal male. The simple fact is that men are designed to have multiple women, raise his children, and in every age any man with power does this – with or without the acceptance of society. Women accept it, and that is all that matters. As long as they do not feel “slighted” and are equal, they are more than willing to share on the male’s terms.

Of course women will deny it – but the fact is they will accept what they must to get what they want. And if they have to share, they are willing to do so if they see it as in their best interest.

Men are different – we are territorial, competitive, and dominant – so women are OURs, and not to be “shared” with any other male – at least among males. If you want to understand just look to the animal kingdom – the great apes, the dominant male picks the females he wants, and other women/females make themselves available in the hope of being selected even if only for a night.

There is nothing new under the sun… We are the same animals we have always been, the veneer of civilization is just that – a veneer…

These people who believe social constructivist theory so strongly and think it’s explanatory power is so large want to avoid the parsimonious explanation that their beliefs about the world are socially constructed, instead of reality being so. It’s sad because it betrays not only intellectual dishonesty, but a total lack of introspection.

A polyamorous culture goes against Natural Law ( let alone Divine Law). So because of this , a” culture” with this as a prevalent acceptable practice is destined to destruction. Its analogous to someone denying that gravity exists and is so adamant about this that they jump out of an airplane without a parachute in an effort to prove that their flawed premise is correct. You can’t fight Natural Law – it always wins in the end.

“I am afraid that women appreciate cruelty, downright cruelty, more than anything else. They have wonderfully primitive instincts. We have emancipated them, but they remain slaves looking for their masters all the time.”

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