Letter: President's shame

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When obsessed by Benghazi write a letter to prove you only listen to FOX and
Hannity.

LiberalJimmySalt Lake City, UT

June 17, 2014 2:52 p.m.

@Mountain Man..."Excuses offered by the left for "B.O'S"
failures are very hypocritical"... This is do to the fact that those of us
on the left truly enjoy this thing called FACTUAL REALITY my friend! Join us
sometime. It's quite liberating to actually think for yourself!

mickiSebastopol, CA

June 13, 2014 7:00 p.m.

I will gently remind you that Obama didn't start these (there have been
TWO) wars. It was the Republican Administration under George W. Bush that
started these wars,without real cause,and without real permission from the
People; and then challenged the Obama Administration to finish them. Both have
failed. The Obama Administration has failed, not because they wanted to, but
because they have had to deal with nothing but obstruction from the other side
of the aisle.

KoraCedar Hills, UT

June 13, 2014 4:35 p.m.

Embarassed Utahn: What do you make of the following?

It is clear from
these and other writings that there are times and circumstances when nations are
justified, in fact have an obligation, to fight for family, for liberty, and
against tyranny, threat, and oppression.When all is said and done, we of this
Church are people of peace. We are followers of our Redeemer, the Lord Jesus
Christ, who was the Prince of Peace. But even He said, “Think not that I
am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
(Matthew 10:34).It may even be that He will hold us responsible if we try
to impede or hedge up the way of those who are involved in a contest with forces
of evil and repression.

From President Gordon B Hinckley, General
Conference April 2003.

Mormons have served in the military for a long
time, including 9 of the current Apostles.

There is no Doctrine in
the LDS Church against all war.

The Admin continues to play fast and
loose with the truth about the attack, and has continually refused to be
completely open about what they knew.

SCfanclearfield, UT

June 13, 2014 11:34 a.m.

Utah Blue Devil

Then I guess by your logic it was not President Obama
who ordered the killing of OBL. Nor the rescue of Captain Phillips. Nor the
rescue of the couple held captive in Somalia. Gee, I always thought those were
some of Obama few positive achievements. Guess you don't. As for not
having any military help in Libya, what about the Marine detachment that is
assigned to every embassy? You think they are only trained to stand around and
look good in dress blues? They are Marines trained to fight and protect the
embassy if necessary. Some of them could have been sent, especially to protect
their ambassador. And since this thing went on for hours as it was, Obama could
not have knows how long it was going to last. He could have ordered a dispatch
of military support in the event it was going on for some time. He sent
nothing. Period.

UtahBlueDevilDurham, NC

June 13, 2014 10:12 a.m.

"If the commander in chief does not order a rescue attempt to try to help in
the situation, then it is a defacto "stand down"

Hog wash.

The Commander in Chief does not direct activities on the field. None
of our presidents have done that. Very few have the operational experience to
make a call like that - that is why we have a Pentagon, with people who are
trained to make those kind of strategic and tactical decisions. Presidents
don't make real time military decisions.

" Truth is, he left
behind Americans in Libya with no help". Lets be real clear here. We had
no troops there in Libya. None. It was a country mid revolution. It was a
dangerous place, and still is. This radio show talking head level of analysis
discredits just about any well thinking conservative. The only ones who need
better ratings now and positive PR are those in the Media - so they can sell
more advertising time.

SCfanclearfield, UT

June 13, 2014 7:31 a.m.

Sorry folks. It does not matter if a technical "stand down" order was
given. If the commander in chief does not order a rescue attempt to try to help
in the situation, then it is a defacto "stand down". You can't win
this one, or most any other in defense of Obama. Truth is, he left behind
Americans in Libya with no help, and then made a big play on this one guy in
Afghanistan. It was clearly an attempt to get positive PR, then rightfully blew
up in his face. Obama is on a losing streak comparable to the Chicago Cubs.
Apt considering that is where he is from.

Bob KDavis, CA

June 13, 2014 2:23 a.m.

ost in DCWest Jordan, UT"The BO apologists are out in force
again today.Rather than refute what the letter says, most just openly mock
the author despite the DN’s supposed rules for comments, march out their
favorite “talk radio, Fox news” boogeymen, and otherwise get all in
a tizzy."

Let's be clear -- the letter is nonsense on the
face of it -- pure and utter nonsense!Our people were dead a very short
time after the attack began. Perhaps the Ambassador took too big a risk by going
to Bengazi, considering the meager security the republicans in Congress funded
for him, but we do not blame the dead.

Of course when we hear junk,
made up news about this President, we think of Fox.

You are so busy
belittling the critics of this letter, that you totally forget truth and
fairness.

You show utter contempt for the twice-elected President of
the United States by your flippant nickname, and by defending the shockingly
ridiculous idea that he told the defenders to stand down and let the Ambassador
be killed.

The reason Barack Obama was elected twice in difficult
times is that nobody better ran.

wrzPhoenix, AZ

June 13, 2014 12:17 a.m.

embarrassed Utahn!:"we train a man in the art of war and call him a
patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism,
perverting the Savior's teaching (to love our enemies)."

Men
have to be trained in the art of war (defense) to preserve freedom. History is
full of monsters like Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler with goals to conquer and
enslave the world. And now we have Islam terrorists.

"My
President is doing just fine...actually, he's doing a fantastic job despite
what the armchair critics say."

He's pulling the US military
out of Iraq. Big mistake. Al Qaeda is elated, moving back into control.

Furry1993Ogden, UT

June 12, 2014 6:02 p.m.

@Mike Richards 8:48 a.m. June 12, 2014

I read your comment, looking
for even a scintilla of truth. Sadly, none was to be found.

UtahBlueDevilDurham, NC

June 12, 2014 4:55 p.m.

Lost... it is kind of like a Mormon apologist.... some think neither have
anything to apologize to you about.

"When people are fired in
Obama's administration, Obama calls it a "resignation"".....

Here is
another list Mike... Lyn Nofziger, Michael Deaver, James Watt, John Poindexter,
Richard Secord , Elliott Abrams, Robert C. McFarlane, Alan D. Fiers, Thomas G.
Clines, Carl R. Channel, Richard R. Miller, Joseph A. Strauss and a few more
names you know... do you remember what these names have in common? Yes, they
were all members of Reagan's staff... and yes, they were all convicted of
crimes while in office.

So lets not play this little game... because
no one wins.

KoraCedar Hills, UT

June 12, 2014 4:38 p.m.

So who is responsible for the lack of Security for the Ambassador to Libya when
he asked for additional help?

Hillary just stated the following:
"These five guys are not a threat to the United States", says Clinton.
"They are a threat to the safety and security of Afghanistan and
Pakistan."That is unacceptable, and untrue.

Why does he
leave the doctor who helped catch Bin Laden behind? Why does he leave the
American pastor in jail in Iran? The wife of an American sentenced to death for
being Christian.

He made a "great deal" with Iran, who is now
boasting that their rockets can hit one of our military bases.

They
had the "reset" with Russia, and yet look at the Ukraine and Crimea. He
sanctioned ~20 Russians, while they laughed about it.

He apologizes
when one pastor threatens to burn a Koran, but is silent as Christians are
killed in Muslim countries. Why? Are Christian lives less important than the
hurt feelings of Muslims?

Obama's foreign policy is a mess and
the polls show it. The most recent CNN poll shows him with a 57% foreign policy
disapproval rate. Not Fox News, CNN.

His priorities are skewed.

lost in DCWest Jordan, UT

June 12, 2014 3:38 p.m.

embarrased,if you do not know what a BO apologist is, you really should be
embarrassed.

Ralph West JordanTaylorsville, UT

June 12, 2014 1:58 p.m.

Re: Mike Richards 12;59 pm " if you tell a lie loud enough and often
enough, some of the guillible will believe the lie." Thank You! You make my
point re: Right Wing AM Radio!

ConfusedSandy, UT

June 12, 2014 1:54 p.m.

May I suggest to those that "Believe" that the Benghazi has already been
investigated and found no blame on the Administration of Obama. Please do what
you ask the Republicans to do... STOP listening to the likes of CNN, NBC, CBS,
ABC, NPR....... Because as much as you want to vilify FoxNews... these stations
are in the same boat as FoxNews when it comes to the Liberal side of issues....
They feed you what you want to hear..

Please do some of your own
research, through various sources, and you will find that there was some things
that was done that was hidden from the public.

Is Obama the one
personally that made the call? Probably Not, but like in all things BUSH, he is
the President, it happened on his watch, and HE IS the one that is held
accountable for it.

4601Salt Lake City, UT

June 12, 2014 1:41 p.m.

Flip flops are the coin of Obama's realm. It's no longer news.

There You Go AgainSaint George, UT

June 12, 2014 1:40 p.m.

If I listened to Republican talk radio all day/night long, watched Republican TV
all day and night long, read Republican talking points in Republican media all
day and all night long and read Republican books all day and night long, I would
have the same opinion as the author of this letter.

One thing among
many things that makes America a truly great country is the fact that letters
like the one written by this author will be published.

Thank you DN
as well as all those people who chose to sustain and support the views expressed
in the letter.

embarrassed Utahn!Salt Lake City, UT

June 12, 2014 1:25 p.m.

What's a "BO apologist"????

I wonder if Lost in DC could
face the amazing truthful commentary from Happy valley heretic and Freedom
fighterif he read it aloud 100 times?

There may be hope for our
nation and I say that because of the comments from the aforementioned as well as
thoughtful, truthful commentary from so many of you others! You know who you
are! Thank you and keep coming back! Our President doesn't need any
apologists, he just needs us to keep telling the truth.

It is also
encouraging to see the low vote totals for Mr. Richards and Mr. Mountan(sp?).

The Deserted News should be encouraged to continue to publish this
same letter every week;)

Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utah

June 12, 2014 12:59 p.m.

It seems that there are still some Obama worshippers who still believe that any
day they'll receive that $2,500 check promised by Obama as the YEARLY
savings per family because of Obamacare. They probably think that they can keep
their doctor, their hospital and their insurance plan. Can they truthfully cite
one promise made by Obama that is absolutely true?

When people are
fired in Obama's administration, Obama calls it a "resignation".
The V.A. administrator was fired, but Obama called it a resignation. Obama is
trying to fire Chuck Hagel by demanding his resignation, but Mr. Hagel is
refusing to resign.

Believe what you want. As Obama knows, if you
tell a lie loud enough and often enough, some of the guillible will believe the
lie. In the meantime, Obama tries to deflect public opinion by firing top
people. A forced resignation is being fired.

UtahBlueDevilDurham, NC

June 12, 2014 12:40 p.m.

"Hillary Clinton was fired from her job as Secretary of State."

See Mike, it is falsifications like this that just has me wondering what has
happened to "conservatives". Why must things be fictionalized to make a
point... why aren't the facts as they are enough to debate a point? I
suppose by your standards Colin Powell was fired as well..

Listen, I
think the administration did a poor job with this latest prisoner swap. They
just did a poor job. No doubt. They have also done a poor job of explaining
or commitment to the fighting in Syria, which has now spread over into Iraq. We
need to understand why or why we have not done more to contain that fighting
from spreading. Obviously what we have done over the last 6 months hasn't
worked.

But to claim people were fired.... that is just silly.
They may have fallen out of favor, like Rumsfield, but they were not fire by any
honest recounting of history.

lost in DCWest Jordan, UT

June 12, 2014 12:39 p.m.

The BO apologists are out in force again today.

Rather than refute
what the letter says, most just openly mock the author despite the DN’s
supposed rules for comments, march out their favorite “talk radio, Fox
news” boogeymen, and otherwise get all in a tizzy.

Yep, BO is
right, we don’t leave them behind. We often wait until they are dead and
have had their naked bodies desecrated and paraded around town, like Carter did
in Iran, then we beg and plead to get the corpses back.

BO gave OBL 6 months to know we were on to him before he
finally acquiesced and let the seals take him out, and now we have a Pakistani
doctor in a Pakistani prison for 33 years because BO would not support him. And
you wonder why we get little support there anymore.

Ralph West JordanTaylorsville, UT

June 12, 2014 12:27 p.m.

Re: Mike Richards

Although I have disagreed with many of your
opinions, I always respected them and gave them credit as possibly credible
because you seemed so and adamant while expressing them

...and
yet with full knowledge of the facts you still continue daily to spread rumors
and falsehoods as truth.

Some do it in ignorance, some do it because
they can.

This letter writer continues, along with this newspaper, to
try and perpetuate these lies by rapidly repeating them and hoping no one will
look up the truth.

The Real MaverickOrem, UT

June 12, 2014 10:01 a.m.

"Three high ranking officials were thrown under the bus because of Benghazi.
Documents that would show exactly what happened have been labled "top
secret" and will be sealed for about 25 years."

Seriously
Mike Richards, where do you dig this stuff up? Not even the best fantasy authors
are so creative!

DarrelEagle Mountain, UT

June 12, 2014 10:00 a.m.

@Mike Richards

The Administration "fired" Jay Carney, the
press secretary who fed the press what the President wanted us to
"know".

Susan Rice was fired from her job as United States
Ambassador to the U.N.

Hillary Clinton was fired from her job as
Secretary of State

===========

Jay Carney
resigned...approached the President, not the other way around. Press Secretary
is a very demanding job. Sounds like he wants to spend more time with his
family.

Susan Rice was not fired. In fact, she was given a job as
National Security Advisor. Sounds like someone "failed up"

Hillary Clinton was not fired. She too resigned. Most cabinet members only
serve one term; Colin Powell, Condolezza Rice. What she did was not out of the
ordinary at all. And certainly if she were fired, she would not be considered
the Democratic frontrunner for 2016 Presidential campaign, and the current
favorite to win the Presidency.

Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utah

June 12, 2014 8:48 a.m.

Read the article in the Deseret News, May 6, 2014, "Rep. Jason Chaffetz
accuses White House of hiding Benghazi documents", then check on Jay Carney,
Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton.

The Administration "fired"
Jay Carney, the press secretary who fed the press what the President wanted us
to "know".

Susan Rice was fired from her job as United
States Ambassador to the U.N.

Hillary Clinton was fired from her job
as Secretary of State.

Three high ranking officials were thrown under
the bus because of Benghazi. Documents that would show exactly what happened
have been labled "top secret" and will be sealed for about 25 years.

Meanwhile, the families of those four brave men killed in the attack
wait for answers. It looks like they'll wait for a while longer. So much
for the "most transparent" administration in U.S. history.

EsquireSpringville, UT

June 12, 2014 8:48 a.m.

Great piece of fiction. That's all I can say. Geez.

FreedomFighter41Provo, UT

June 12, 2014 8:41 a.m.

The letter writer wrote:

"This president has shown weakness in
directing our military men and women."

Who directed our military
to the capture and killing of the world's #1 criminal, Osama Bin Laden?
Apparently the letter writer doesn't know what the definition of weakness
is.

"I heard this on talk radio and saw it on Fox News. I now
read it in the DNews as well."

Wasn't it said, "If you
tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to
believe it."? I think fox hopes that if they repeat a lie so many times
eventually people will believe it. Examples may include how tax increases in the
rich hurt job creation, min wage increases will cost jobs, global warming is a
hoax, and that the President ordered a stand down.

"Doesn't
this letter get published once a week?"

Yes. Shameful, isn't
it? And then we wonder why civil dialog in this state is so poor? Why so many
are lashing out at Utah establishments? It really has become silly, our one
party theocracy where 1 party can do no right and the other can do no wrong.

MountanmanHayden, ID

June 12, 2014 8:35 a.m.

Excuses offered by the left for BO's failures is so very hypocritical! They
demand so much from GWB and make excuses for BO!

Open Minded MormonEverett, 00

June 12, 2014 8:26 a.m.

I did not know that the President of the United States had such omnipotent
powers through the World.

I also did not know that this letter writer
had such omnipotent all-seeing , all-knowing powers either...

The
rest of "mortals" here on this Earth must seem like bateria to them.

SharpHooksSandy, UT

June 12, 2014 8:02 a.m.

Doesn't this letter get published once a week?

The Real MaverickOrem, UT

June 12, 2014 7:53 a.m.

We really need to stop publishing these nonsensical letters and giving these
rantings attention.

Seriously, ignore the static and move on. Let
these people rant with tin foil hats on until the cows come come. Pay no
attention to them. Turn the page and let's move on

FTsalt lake city, UT

June 12, 2014 7:44 a.m.

I heard this on talk radio and saw it on Fox News. I now read it in the DNews
as well. That must make it so. Is it a scandal if a small group of people
continue to repeat the same allegations over and over with no basis in fact?

pragmatistferlifesalt lake city, utah

June 12, 2014 7:27 a.m.

You know you think the DN would be a little concerned about printing letters
where the opinions expressed are so well known to be false.

But
apparently not. Sad!

Irony GuyBountiful, Utah

June 12, 2014 7:12 a.m.

Obama "apparently" did this and that? It's clear from the umpteen
investigations into Benghazi that Obama "actually" did not do what this
writer says he "apparently" did. More artificial facts from the AM radio
brains...

ECRBurke, VA

June 12, 2014 6:58 a.m.

Great example of a straw man argument. Make a statement about someone and
assume it's true, then attack that person based on that assumption.

Here's the problem. A report by Republicans on the Armed Services
Committee recently declared: "There was no 'stand down' order
issued to US military personnel in Tripoli who sought to join the fight in
Benghazi." A bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report released in
January said: "The Committee has reviewed the allegations that US personnel,
including in the IC (Intelligence Community) or DOD, prevented the mounting of
any military relief effort during the attacks, but the Committee has not found
any of these allegations to be substantiated."

I realize that any
amount of evidence or testimony by those who know the truth will never be enough
to change someone's mind who is focused on criticizing the president. But
it would be nice if we could all base our arguments, tirades or hatred on truth,
rather than folly.

UtahBlueDevilDurham, NC

June 12, 2014 6:34 a.m.

I guess the problem here is this is based on a fictional recounting of what
happened in Libya, versus what the record says really happened. So sure, make
up a version of history, and it can say anything you want. I think what is a
shame is the need to stretch history to justify hate.

Lets be
really clear.... there were no US soldiers on the ground in Libya ready to
assist, but were told not to. None. We had US embassy security, but
suggesting they should left their post to secure a CIA compound in a distant and
not controlled city is a foolish notion. Tripoli is over 1,000 kilometers away,
The nearest combat troops were more than 400 miles away in Italy.

I
find it odd how we mourn the loss of two US CIA contractors, and yet just
yesterday 5 military people die in a friendly fire incident... and that is not
top of mind. Surely its not just because of political value is it?

LDS LiberalFarmington, UT

June 12, 2014 6:22 a.m.

Oh my...

Another "Benghazi" letter.

First
it's was the birth certificate - and that didn't stick..Then
Rev. Jeremiah Wright.Next Solandryn, and now Benghazi.

Keep flinging mud until something sticks...

You daily entertainers
[Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck] have made themselves Millionaires doing it.

embarrassed Utahn!Salt Lake City, UT

June 12, 2014 4:45 a.m.

"We are a WARLIKE PEOPLE...easily distracted from our assignment of
preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast
resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel — ships, planes,
missiles, fortifications — and depend on them for protection and
deliverance. When threatened, we become anti-enemy instead of pro-kingdom of
God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the
manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the
Savior's teaching [to love your enemies]."

—LDS Church
President Spencer W. Kimball

Utahns overwhelmingly voted twice for
Bush/Cheney.

That is the disgrace!

My President is doing
just fine...actually, he's doing a fantastic job despite what the armchair
critics say.

Roland KayserCottonwood Heights, UT

June 12, 2014 3:42 a.m.

There was no "stand down" order given. That only happened on Fox News,
not in the real world.

ShaunSandy, UT

June 12, 2014 1:19 a.m.

Apparently this writer has insider information that apparently reveals that the
President apparently ordered a stand down.