3) had a father–same guy as the buttphotog–who was a director on a violent, bloody, desensitizing film (“The Hunger Games” – read my review) with a nihilistic, anti-capitalist version of the world in which life of the “lesser-thans” is to be taken for sport, and teen children are forced to murder each other in a game;

4) was a spoiled rich kid with divorced parents who gave him a fancy BMW he didn’t earn the money for and paid his expensive therapy bills since age eight;

5) was a product of the me-me-me, fame-seeking FacebookYouTubeTwitter generation–America’s most narcissistic generation yet;

6) was a vain narcissist raised “on the edges of Hollywood” with a mother who “once dated George Lucas,” had a stepmother who starred in the French “Real Housewives,” he was clearly raised in the culture of Hollywood vanity and demands for gorgeous models as dating meat, and–gee (shocker!)–has that same hankering for hot chicks bred by showbiz “culture” and is hateful when he’s predictably rejected by them;

7) hated men–in a Hollywood culture that has waged a war on men for decades in movies and on TV–and sought “vengeance against males” on them for beating him out for those hot chicks;

8) made endless, public, crazy videos about his hatred and bitterness;

6) worked for years on a loonytunes manifesto;

And we are supposed to be surprised that this cretin turned into a massacreist?

Okay, it’s settled now–let’s blame the guns! More gun control for everyone!

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BTW, I don’t for a second blame the police who previously visited him at his parents’ request and reported that nothing seemed amiss. I don’t expect police to be psychiatrists. Heck, apparently, his own therapist didn’t detect his massacre plans despite “treating” this nut since age eight. Or perhaps nurturing his nuttiness since age eight–don’t rule that out.

This kid is a product of the liberal elite Hollywood culture in which parents take photos of chicks’ butts for a living, make violent, murderous movies poisoning and desensitizing kids’ minds for a living, put their kids in therapy since age eight, give their kids a fancy expensive BMW and other accoutrements of the spoiled kid good life, and, then, expect their kids to turn out normal.

All at the same time that they can barely hide their red-hot, burning condescension for Red State America–where the flyover inhabitants (fewer and fewer of them, unfortunately, because of Hollywood pop culture’s influence) actually subject their kids to some actual values. But, again, even that has been lessened by Hollywood influence for the worst. . . or, rather, Rodger Family Values.

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Several reports I read said that back in April the mother saw his disturbing videos online and called the shrink who called the cops, who sent a patrol car over and the beat cops said he seemed fine. For heaven’s sake! The parents KNOW the kid has a screw loose! They’ve been paying for mental health treatment for 14 YEARS! The shrink should know the kid has a screw loose. They are PAID to know that. But both the parents and the shrink slough off the responsibility to a couple of cops who have never met the kid, who go to his apartment and because the kid is calm and polite and not naked on the front lawn baying at the moon, the cops leave (no probable cause for a search or detainment), so the parents and the shrink throw up their hands and say, “Oh well. We tried!”

I find it difficult to believe that the shrink would not have the authority to order at least a 72-hour observation in the psych ward. That would have given the parents the opportunity to go through his stuff and find the guns and the manifesto. They couldn’t have been well hidden, since the report I read said he kept the cops on the front porch and would not let them in because he didn’t want them to findhis guns and the “manifesto.”

Of course, that would also require the parents to take some responsibility for the kid other than just throwing money at him.

MIGirl, It is virtually impossible for a third party to get an involuntary commitment for someone, even a minor child, thanks to the ACLU back in the 70’s, without there being evidence of IMMINENT bodily danger to that person or others. A teen ager writing a manifesto, no matter how scary or weird does not constitute that evidence, unless it names dates, times, places and names and even so, unless the deranged person is heading out to do the deed or actually on the scene, it’s still only “fantasy.” I’m not agreeing with this in the least but it’s the law now. The sick person has to agree to treatment, yes, even a minor child. I have been thru this so because my child wasn’t able to ask for help, she got to the point where she pulled a knife and started cutting her wrists. But I was right there so it was more a cry for help than a serious attempt. She was just too scared to say, ‘Mom, I need help, find me a good doctor.” She was 15 but had been acting out for years. She was diagnosed with a borderline personality disorder and has wreaked havoc on the lives of most people who love her most. She has really messed with the heads of two husbands and her kids are a mixed bag. One has lots of issues, the others seem basically ok, but she has descended into criminal behavior and is being treated lightly by the cops. I am afraid she may kill someone at some point. I have had to sever all relationship with her and she lives on the other side of the world, literally. The one really great thing she did in her life is that when she got pregnant at 18, refused to have an abortion that was being pushed by the other grandmother and gave my granddaughter up in an open adoption. So I get to have a relationship with her, even if it is only on FB.
The other outrage the system committed against me with my daughter is that her father and I were divorcing but he gave me sole custody and was not even in state. The hospital told her she could choose whom they talked with and she picked him. They didn’t even tell me this was her choice, pre-HIPPA, btw. I only found out last year. So I was primary custodian, living 1,000 miles from her father and although he acted as if we had a civil relationship, he told me nothing. At least if he’d been angry and blamed me, I’d have had some info with which to help her. I could do nothing for my child because of the privacy laws. This was her choice. It’s not that they said I was an unfit mother and she needed to be taken away, not at all, What’s interesting is one of her caregivers was an israeli social worker and she really pushed the envelop by telling me some things she probably shouldn’t have. She stopped short of a dx however. It helped a lot and when my daughter came home, we seemed to be better together. So, mental illness is confusing enough, but the system works against these people getting real help, until it’s too late. I sometimes think it’s deliberately so that the parents or whomever look bad and can be the scapegoats.

I’m not qualified to make as judgment as to motivation or the kid’s mental condition which led to all of this, but with all the years of therapy and clear signs, why wasn’t he on a no gun list??!! A totally known nut job, and he buys guns presumably with a background check. And who’s to blame?? Where is the mental health system in all this. Why can’t a therapist just enter his name on a registry, and if the individual must have a gun, get a qualified professional to attest to his sanity. Does that sound complicated.

(Correction: Worry said this (and I replied) on another “Rodger” thread.

“Oh please, Worry. I take “manifestos” seriously when the Moooooslim family god allah is mentioned, and I take them seriously when a 22-year-old with Asperger’s writes on and on about not getting any sexual attention–from women. A gay 22-year-old man does not hate women; he would typically regard them as irrelevant, excepting female friends. A mental case does not go on a murder spree based on the irrelevant.

Debbie’s info on his Asperger’s is clearly relevant, if only to. explain why chicks wouldn’t give him the time of day. His ruminations that his family status wasn’t high enough to offset his behavior were, in fact, incisive.”

i have a 52-yr-old brother in law who reminds of this kid. he’s never had a girlfriend and for the longest time i thought he was gay until he was caught stalking some woman… he’s moved in with different family members and is a slob, works for a week or two and then does nothing but smoke pot all day. he showed up on our doorstop- all the way across the country in seattle- when he was booted out after sponging off of his brother for a year or so. i refused to even let him come in and the wife agreed.

long story short: my bro-in-law is mentally ill, just like this rodgers’ kid. i wouldn’t be surprised if he went on a similar rampage and i’m glad i live many states’ away.

I suspect you’re right! Debbie might have mentioned that besides Islam, we cannot criticize the twisted values of the Purple Lavender Mafia as well. In Hollywood, gays and lesbians receive glowing accolades.

Above all, why is that is it that in traditional America, kids don’t shoot young women in cold blood despite guns being next to being freely available? Its open season on America’s gun owners again but the liberal values of Elliot Rodger’s parents and the crowd they hang out with are a given.

I wrote on the other thread, I believe he should get the death penalty. Unfortunately and sadly – in California – Rodger will never be executed. There is nothing in America today to keep a kid from becoming a mass murderer.

Good grief, NormanF, you “suspect” Habibi is right? On what basis? Debbie’s research doesn’t seem to point in this direction. Did I miss something? Furthermore, how likely was it that Elliot Rodger was a repressed homo (in Habibi’s language, “repressed closet homosexual”) given your mention of the “purple lavender mafia” of Hollywood? How does a culture that promotes homosexuality (as Hollywood’s does) produce repressed homos who “act out” against wimmyn?

“I wrote on the other thread, I believe he should get the death penalty. Unfortunately and sadly – in California – Rodger will never be executed.”

This young man, like the mass murderer in Connecticut, played the most violent video games for hundreds or thousands of hours. These video games are produced by the most left wing multibillion dollar entertainment conglomerates in the world. You know, the same people calling for gun control.

Have any of the Hollywood and media liberals called for knife control yet? He did kill 3 people by stabbing them to death.

And why didn’t his parents commit him? It still only takes two signatures to commit a person who is threatening himself or the lives of others. Saying the system failed is a cop out.

Jewish father. Asian mother. Are there ANY Jewish men who don’t “marry out” anymore? This doesn’t speak well of Jewish women. What’s wrong with them such that they are not “good enough?”

This freaky looking cretin had problems with blondes? Hard to believe given the ass-ugly primitives I’ve seen them willing to wrap their legs around. Ever seen “Ice Tea” or that U G L Y guy from VH1 that wears the clock as a necklace or how about the super handsome Dennis Rodman?

He was basically a spoiled brat who never grew up. Elliott Rodger did start his rampage by butchering men in his own apartment, so it is hard to separate a same-sex sexual element in his subsequent rampage. Also, Rodger’s fixation on his rejection at 11 by a 10 year old girl really rounds out the character of this ugly little man.

the kid’s grandfather was a noted WWII photographer that was credited with taking some of the most gruesome and iconic snapshots of Bergen-Belsen, I wonder if the psycho-kid-killer was aware of this

nowhere is it stated that Rodger was Jewish

compulsive playing of today’s ” most violent video games” (JEG), is most responsible for the pandemic of young adult male wanton mass murder. the games are so realistic and the effect of desensitizing the already deranged and sensitive psyche appears to be profound. BAN VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, NOT GUNS. It appears we’ve reached a point of critical mass. Stop the slaughter. BAN THESE SUCCORS OF DEATH

And now for something completely different: some of the loony left sites (e.g., Salon, Kos) are pointing to this as an example of white privilege when by their own definition, this a-hole was “a person of color.”

The system I am referring tto is the Advocare 24 Day
Challenge. The trim products of Advopcare are formulated
specifically to aid withh thhe weight loss.
The only real pain that day was my friend donniung the same gein I had when me
and my coffee maker stood off in thhe AM.

What I’m worried about, especially after the stabbing of the girl in Connecticut over turning down a boy for a prom date, and now this, is how many twisted men who have been rejected will look at this creep as an inspiration. They will now believe they have a recourse when a girl turns them down. Also, how many women might start dating guys they don’t like out of fear of being hurt or killed if they won’t?

Everybody was whining about how we need more care for the mentally disabled, formally as crazy, after the last couple of shootings where the shooter was known to be crazy.
Well, this kid got thousands of hours of help and look at all the good it did.
Long story short, some people can’t be helped.
We must be able to defend ourselves against such people.
Most of the destruction done by this last guy was done with knives, hammers and his car, so blaming guns hardly changes the equation.

He didn’t get help. He got coddled. Real help for these cases is what it was pre-1970’s, INSTITUTIONAL life time care. It has to be humane but it saves their lives and many lives on the outside. If you read my reply to MIGirl, I will add to that. My daughter doesn’t belong out in the world. I’d much rather see her living in a nice, out of the way facility, stringing beads or weaving baskets than engaging in the destructive behaviors she has been doing for years, including obsessively making babies. If I had the money and means, that’s exactly where she’d be.

DS: “apparently, his own therapist didn’t detect his massacre plans despite “treating” this nut since age eight. Or perhaps nurturing his nuttiness since age eight–don’t rule that out”

I sure wouldn’t.
The “therapist” either had no clue how to do his job or just liked to push the kids buttons to see his reaction, perhaps using him as a guinea pig of sorts. Either way, with 14 years of useless treatment, you would think the parents would have looked for a better solution?
Apart from being undoubtedly mentally unstable the kid was also a self centered narcissistic product of the Hollywood me, Me, ME mentality. If the therapist didn’t see that maybe HE needs to spend more time with normal people.

BTW, I know someone who tried to commit suicide BECAUSE of the “care” he received. This wasn’t just a cry for help attempt either, he really wanted to die, and it was a total miracle that it failed. All because his doctor thought prescribing drugs for mild depression was the best solution. Makes me wonder how many people wind up in that kind of situation because of the half-assed help they receive from their caregivers.

Yes, is Hollywood going to step forward and accept at least some responsibility for this? And should we hold our breaths while we are waiting? Same answer in both cases I think.

I haven’t seen The Hunger Games (I try to avoid the product of Hollywood) – but Debbie tells us it is about kids shooting other kids as part of a game…

I wouldn’t own a gun myself – for various reason, mainly because I would have to beat it into a ploughshare – but also because I am the sort of person who managed to get her arthritis injection the wrong way round (a painful mistake), and that suggests to me that I would be a danger to myself if I ever got my hands on a gun. However, I think the gun lobby probably should come fairly low on the list of suspects here – along with the knife lobby. There are a lot of other things to look at first. For example, why did this young man have such a lethal sense of entitlement?

I am so sorry for the families, waking up to yet another day into a nightmare of loss. And I hope they know that “underneath are the everlasting arms”. that their children are not lost, that every hair of their head was numbered, and that they will wake from the dreamless sleep of death then the time comes.