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I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

If people are biatching about how it's not carrying other shows, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR FARKING AWFUL SHOWS. Seriously, who at ABC looked at Goldbergs and thought, "Yes, That 80s Show was such a success"?

UNC_Samurai:I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!

My son was so excited by the prospect of this show that we had to be sure we taped it just in case, now it is just "I would rather watch something on youtube" territory because he just doesn't care about the episodes. He may be a bit young for their demographic but his disinterest makes the rest of us who are in their key age groups say we won't watch this as we just don't care either.

foo monkey:It has so much potential as the glue to hold together the movies, but they're just kinda flying around.

What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

I like the show and am glad that it hasn't been canceled yet. I thought the last two episodes were much better than the beginning of the show, however.

However, I'm not that familiar with the Marvel Universe outside of all the movies made in the last 2 decades, so I don't really get that worked up over canon and continuity. I am just enjoying the fact that it's not complete crap, like some of the other new shows this fall.

Now that we have some resolution on Skye's back story, it's definitely time to find out more about the other characters.

Also, last weekend I watched Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing, and henceforth I am calling Clark Gregg, Agent "Leonato" Coulson. Seriously, this is a great portrayal of the Beatrice/Benedick love story.

I said on a previous thread that while I think the show is entertaining enough, I do think it still feels dissconected from the rest of the Marvel Film Universe.

I understand if they want to show the impact of the existence of the Avengers and all that to the everyday people, but with the exception of Coulson and Fury's cameo, I still don't have the feeling that this and the Avengers are part of the same world.

I don't dislike the show, but I do think that the Winter Soldier trailer was a better SHIELD show on it's own than Agents of SHIELD.

I dig the show. Agent Coulson is a cool badass. I hope the show finds its footing. I will admit that its less super hero and more fringe x-files in the marvel universe and it does not know what it wants to be.. But all in all im digging it

The Stealth Hippopotamus:UNC_Samurai: I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!

I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.

That was the most interesting scene so far in the series. (I really hope that changes soon)

This show has the same problem that a lot of shows based on big, heroic characters have - it's stuff that seems like it would be cool to know about, but eventually you get bored with. Torchwood is another example. Sure, Capt. Jack was awesome, but after a few episodes you start to go, "gee, I'd rather see the Doctor and how he'd solve all this". The same applies here. Oh, it's Coulson...ok...so, um, how's Tony holding up after the whole blowing up all his suits thing? Or is Steve having trouble adjusting to cell phones and twitter? Because I don't really care about SHIELD that much, I care about the heroes they monitor and support.

And they COULD have made it a street level superhero show, which would have worked. Have Luke Cage as the star, with Misty Knight and Shang-Chi and heck, throw in Jessica Jones, too. Make the show about them as SHIELD's "B-Team" of lower power Avengers, essentially. Then people might like it, and might care about it. But as it is, it's like...this is the show about the boring folks in the background of the helicarrier scenes.

And while it might be cool to see something about them, you really don't want a whole series about them.

The show is called agents of shield and while there is some continuity between the movies. The main reason is Coulson, his expertise is making great agents. We know something is off and the bigger characters like fury and the character robin plays knows too. It seems this is an experiment for Coulson and he's being closely watched.The big bad seems to be this centipede project. I like where it is and I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow./At the very least it should be noted it is the number 1 show when DVR recordings ate factored in

terminalx:The show is called agents of shield and while there is some continuity between the movies. The main reason is Coulson, his expertise is making great agents. We know something is off and the bigger characters like fury and the character robin plays knows too. It seems this is an experiment for Coulson and he's being closely watched.The big bad seems to be this centipede project. I like where it is and I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow./At the very least it should be noted it is the number 1 show when DVR recordings ate factored in

Not that I disagree with you, but the main issue that I have with Agents of SHIELD is that with the exception of Coulson, the other characters on the team are not that interesting.

Whedon always had this great ability to balance different types of characters on one enssemble cast. That's what made shows like Avengers and also Firefly and Buffy so interesting. Cool characters having great interactions between them.

I love Coulson, I loved his fanboyism over Captain American and still managed to keep up with Stark's snark... but the rest of the characters aren't that interesting.

I think that is what hurts the show the most... even more the lack of Marvel lore...

The Stealth Hippopotamus:You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!

Skye might be a little vanilla as a character, but the complaints about her hacker-skills are more than a little ridiculous.

"She's too pretty to be a hacker!" That's just people thinking pretty girls must be stupid, which is stupid (you didn't say it, but others have)."She was living in a van, WTF!" Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing. As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR. She's a superhacker. She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.

And more on point, with what you said, the "she keeps doing stuff that's impossible!" It's a superhero show. It just featured a guy that can throw fire. It's made references to another guy who's literally a Norse God. SHIELD agents are the best humanity has to offer, in a world where superheroes and magic exists.

If I can accept that the Hulk exists, I can accept someone hacking shiat with a cellphone.

rugman11:What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.

What's wrong with the show is that other than Coulson and May, the other characters kinda fall flat. Especially little miss hacks everything from a cell phone. It's nice to see they're trying to develop her character and all, but they need to stop making her the focus of each episode, develop Mr. Cardboard and the techies a bit more.

UNC_Samurai:I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

If people are biatching about how it's not carrying other shows, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR FARKING AWFUL SHOWS. Seriously, who at ABC looked at Goldbergs and thought, "Yes, That 80s Show was such a success"?

It's because it's a Whedon show, but Jed instead of Joss. Joss reads the scripts and gives notes, but he's not involved in day-to-day operations, which is why the show feels like somebody trying to do Whedon and not pulling it off. Jed may share some of the same ideas and execution, but he's trying to channel whatever he brings to the table through his brother's lens. It's like if a new movie came out that was sold as a Christopher Nolan flick, but you ended up with Jonathan trying to do Christopher's style instead of making it his own.

Rev. Skarekroe:It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.

So far it's been rather bland and uninteresting but I'm hoping that changes once it really gets going. I can see them moving the pieces into place so I'm willing to hang on for a bit longer but only just. Still waiting for the magic to happen.

The lab wonks Fitz and Simmons should have been combined into one character named Fitzsimmons. They are the same character, and only seem to be divided into two halves so that they can spout techno-babble exposition at each other for the benefit of the audience.

I'm with you. More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl. I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson. He's fun.

I really want to like the show, but with the exception of Coulson, all the characters are dull as dirt. The stories could just as easily be Warehouse 13, Friday the 13th, or any other similar show, where they retrieve the Dangerous And Evil Object Of The Week all while battling some mysterious shadow organization. Right out of the gate, they started contradicting their own mythos. Oh, S.H.I.E.L.D is a secret organization? That everyone knows about? Because you've got your logos all over your cars as you tear through the streets of countries where you have no legal jurisdiction (or do they? The show can't seem to decide if it's a U.S.-controlled organization or U.N. controlled)? Oh, and let's not forget that it's a world in which the Battle for New York occurred and yet people are astonished when someone displays a power of any sort.

I watched every episode, but the thing turned into a formulaic by-the-numbers show almost immediately and that makes it Nothing Special.

Miss Nova:The lab wonks Fitz and Simmons should have been combined into one character named Fitzsimmons. They are the same character, and only seem to be divided into two halves so that they can spout techno-babble exposition at each other for the benefit of the audience.

I don't know.It's gimmicky, but I can see them becoming a story arc in the future.

I'm with you. More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl. I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson. He's fun.

I wouldn't mind if they killed agent Bond rip-off guy and Fitz/Simmons. He has all the acting chops of a 2x4 and those two are just....annoying. They're like little chipmunks chattering away. Then turn hacker girl into an agent of Hydra or something. Then she can be slightly interesting and not around all the time.

Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.

Thorak:rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.

That causes a problem with stakes, though, because we know that if they ever screw something up too badly, the cavalry will sweep in to save the day.

Torchwood had the same problem in its early seasons. You knew things weren't going to go too terribly badly because if the earth were ever truly in danger The Doctor would be there to set things right. They got around that problem by killing off their characters...a lot. Maybe that's what SHIELD needs to do. Or at least they need to do something to shake up the status quo.

The show is supposed to be about the regular people we don't see in the Marvel movies. Let's see what happens when bad stuff goes down and The Avengers aren't there to save the day.

Thorak:Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing. As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR. She's a superhacker. She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.

I'm not saying that a superhacker who reports on conspiracies, lives in a van and is into the whole lack of materialism thing couldn't also look like a Cover Girl model, just that a Norse God who is a being from another dimension who fights aliens in New York is a more believable character than she is. The same would hold true if instead of a pretty girl she was a handsome boy.

Not that computer superhackers can't be good looking. But the obsessive ones who abstain from material goods and live in a van aren't probably also healthy eaters who work out.

Yeah. I've been watching and, honestly, I don't see it as long lived. Not only are the characters kinda bland, but it's following pretty much the exact same formula as every other supers show:

*) There are some ordinary, everyday people with special powers.*) Most people are unaware of this, or at least unaware of how prevalent the situation is.*) There is a mysterious group out there with an interest in the supers, and they appear to have their own nefarious purposes.

rugman11:Thorak: rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.

That causes a problem with stakes, though, because we know that if they ever screw something up too badly, the cavalry will sweep in to save the day.

Torchwood had the same problem in its early seasons. You knew things weren't going to go too terribly badly because if the earth were ever truly in danger The Doctor would be there to set things right. They got around that problem by killing off their characters...a lot. Maybe that's what SHIELD needs to do. Or at least they need to do something to shake up the status quo.

The show is supposed to be about the regular people we don't see in the Marvel movies. Let's see what happens when bad stuff goes down and The Avengers aren't there to save the day.

But then that also became problem with Torchwood, since everybody besides Gwen and Jack was likely a redshirt, it was hard to care about anyone as a character because "They're just gonna die anyway". Also, they kept killing likeable off and let the annoying ones live.