I have been on their forums. If they're running high 12s stock then the SS is running mid 12s stock in the same conditions. Those cars are not impressive. And their performance numbers have been greatly inflated. For what they claim to be running in the quarter compared to what the SS claims...the SS sure does feel a hell of a lot more powerful in the drivers seat. I drove one of them after reading all the sooped up reports and I was underwhelmed. Not to mention that their mods have been shown to do nothing significant. Dude, they can't hang...