I wouldn't say that just yet. I agree that the Perkins trade was crap so far, but I think we should see what he does this year. I have a funny feeling this is far from over, but it wouldn't be the first that I was wrong.

I think the biggest problem with the Perk trade was that we were in 1st place and the chemistry was going very well. I understand why he did it, but timing is everything.

I wouldn't say that just yet. I agree that the Perkins trade was crap so far, but I think we should see what he does this year. I have a funny feeling this is far from over, but it wouldn't be the first that I was wrong. I think the biggest problem with the Perk trade was that we were in 1st place and the chemistry was going very well. I understand why he did it, but timing is everything.Posted by stiorevo

You forgot to mention that while yes we were in first place, but we got there without Perkins in the lineup. I agree about the chemistry, but I'm not going to blame it all on that. I think that the fact that we have older players who need more rest and scoring from the bench too.

Do some homework on Moore. He may be an all around better player than Marshon and the steal of the draft. almost 20ppg, good percentage. excellent TO ratio...and most important was all Big Ten defensive player. I love that fact that they will have chemistry having played together as the 2 stars on a good defensive minded 26-6 Purdue team.

I have often been critical of Danny Ainge. He has made some pretty stupid draft picks, trades, and foolishly failed to resign key players BUT he did a great job in this draft. I could write a book on this but I'll try my hardest not to. In this draft Ainge returned to what the identity of the Boston Celtics has been. Tough, defensive minded, cerebral, team-oriented, and offensively efficient. I liked Brooks as well and we may wind up regretting not keeping him but Johnson is a hell of a player as is Moore and because they played together for so long they come in with an established chemistry. The Boilermakers were one of the best defensive teams in college basketball and these two(Johnson and Moore) were the two best players of that team. They could also light up the scoreboard. Ainge did a great job in this draft. I have never said that about him before. Ainge will now focus on obtaining some Free Agents to fill the 5. Boston could wind up with an explosive bench that is also very strong on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzSTWi_jd4

Well said tex. I see both JuJuan AND Moore contributing next year, unlike many of our previous draft choices.

Ainge is rebuilding this team quickly.

I would not be disappointed if we traded Rondo.and in order to be competitive next year we will need a part time BIG to supplement JO/BBD...and eventually land Howard to complete the process and get back to a championship.

Brooks was the better pick. Ainge blew it again. First with Perkins trade, now this. Please fire this guy.Posted by sk8brd

Unless you have a time machine that can show you the future, your just giving your opinion. Yes Brooks can score, but doesn't play defense. Yes Johnson also needs to add about twenty pounds to his frame. No one is going to know how these kids turn out till they have a little more time and experience under their belt. This was a weak draft and we chose for need this year. Johnson has just as much chance to be good or fail as Brooks does. Time will tell.

Thanks Tex, I watched the youtube clip you posted. I'm impessed with Johnson by watching those clips. I heard teams passed on him earlier in the 1st round is because of his thin build. My response to that is, a lot of tall, thin basketball players go on to be hall of famers. I was impressed by his ability to offensive play from the perimeter and on the box. There were also a few clips showing him beating guys off the dribble and finishing strong on a dribble drive. Those are 3 big offensive skills to possess. I'm being optimistic. Maybe Danny made a real good pick.

Thanks Tex, I watched the youtube clip you posted. I'm impessed with Johnson by watching those clips. I heard teams passed on him earlier in the 1st round is because of his thin build. My response to that is, a lot of tall, thin basketball players go on to be hall of famers. I was impressed by his ability to offensive play from the perimeter and on the box. There were also a few clips showing him beating guys off the dribble and finishing strong on a dribble drive. Those are 3 big offensive skills to possess. I'm being optimistic. Maybe Danny made a real good pick.Posted by mem17

What you did not see in the clips is that Purdue played good solid and systematic defense, and that these guys were their marquee players.

Having said that, I agree the Perk trade was awful, one of Ainge's worst moves.

"You forgot to mention that while yes we were in first place, but we got there without Perkins in the lineup."

True, we were in first place when Perk was traded but that's because Shaq had been able to play for most of the season. However at the time Perk was traded SHAQ WAS INJURED meaning there was no way to count on the kind of production and winning record we had earlier in the year.

That was the fatal flaw in this deal. That plus an overly-optimistic assessment of Jeff Green.

I ask, who on these forums knows anything about these players other than what the media tells us and a few games/video clips of the picks. Has anyone here interviewed these players. Personal character, values, emotions, etc go a long way in evaluating their talent. Some people are basing their opinion on the picks after year or two or three, etc. It is easy for us to say a pick was a bust 2 years after the fact. It is ok to have an opinion but to say "Fire Ainge" is a little harsh, no?

I liked the idea of Brooks, but I love JaJuan Johnson, I can't believe we actually got him, he dropped 20 pts a game, long, athletic, solid defender... He's a good all around big man this team needed. Honestly, look at his game, what's not to like? He will put more weight on just like every other college kid that goes to the pro's. I think out of every player available to DA he picked the most complete player, and added a future pick. Great draft by Ainge, but this is only the first step, we still need to add a few more pieces to the puzzle. A great first step by this team, they are instantly a better team now with Johnson.

I liked the idea of Brooks, but I love JaJuan Johnson, I can't believe we actually got him, he dropped 20 pts a game, long, athletic, solid defender... He's a good all around big man this team needed. Honestly, look at his game, what's not to like? He will put more weight on just like every other college kid that goes to the pro's. I think out of every player available to DA he picked the most complete player, and added a future pick. Great draft by Ainge, but this is only the first step, we still need to add a few more pieces to the puzzle. A great first step by this team, they are instantly a better team now with Johnson. Posted by myaim45

In Response to Re: Fire ainge : Brooks is a Kobe Bryant type of player that could score 30 or 40 on any given night. Ainge is an idiot for trading it for a 2014 2nd round pick. New Jersey got the better of the deal.Posted by sk8brd

Let's mention the part you failed to talk about. While it's true Brooke's can score big, maybe it's because the entire offense runs thru him. Plus, ask yourself since he doesn't play any defense, how many points is he going to give up? I wonder about Brooke's shot attempts? How many shots attempted and how many made? Johnson can score and play defense, so we'll have to just wait a couple of years to see who was the wiser choice.

Brooks would have been an impact player behind Ray Allen. I've got a feeling that Jajuan won't see the light of day. Still have a gaping hole in the middle. If the future 2nd round pick were for next year I would feel better about this but as of now we have no idea about the details of that "future 2nd round pick". This pick was better than the ones that we are accustomed to from Ainge but I think that he screwed up again. I hope that Johnson proves me wrong.

I have often been critical of Danny Ainge. He has made some pretty stupid draft picks, trades, and foolishly failed to resign key players BUT he did a great job in this draft. I could write a book on this but I'll try my hardest not to. In this draft Ainge returned to what the identity of the Boston Celtics has been. Tough, defensive minded, cerebral, team-oriented, and offensively efficient. I liked Brooks as well and we may wind up regretting not keeping him but Johnson is a hell of a player as is Moore and because they played together for so long they come in with an established chemistry. The Boilermakers were one of the best defensive teams in college basketball and these two(Johnson and Moore) were the two best players of that team. They could also light up the scoreboard. Ainge did a great job in this draft. I have never said that about him before. Ainge will now focus on obtaining some Free Agents to fill the 5. Boston could wind up with an explosive bench that is also very strong on defense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzSTWi_jd4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzSTWi_jd4---------------------------------------------------

So I'm reading that people like these two guys. I'll have to look up some highlights of them. If they are good defenders then we know why they were drafted by the C's. Most of Ainge's picks have been good over the years so I will wait to see how they fit in. Moore at almost 20ppg is impressive.Posted by BiasLewis

Watch the Ohio State game Johnson was all over the place real good team defender. Needs help one on one.

Re: Marshon Brooks on the Board!!! Take him!!! posted at 6/23/2011 10:15 PM EDT www.boston.com/community/persona.html?UID=d65b56b76db9cee0b5a6b0ae823a3792&plckUserId=d65b56b76db9cee0b5a6b0ae823a3792 " /> guyfromtex Posts: 1669 First: 3/26/2005 Last: 6/24/2011 Brooks would have been an impact player behind Ray Allen. I've got a feeling that Jajuan won't see the light of day. Still have a gaping hole in the middle. If the future 2nd round pick were for next year I would feel better about this but as of now we have no idea about the details of that "future 2nd round pick". This pick was better than the ones that we are accustomed to from Ainge but I think that he screwed up again. I hope that Johnson proves me wrong. --------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Fire ainge posted at 6/24/2011 12:39 AM EDT www.boston.com/community/persona.html?UID=d65b56b76db9cee0b5a6b0ae823a3792&plckUserId=d65b56b76db9cee0b5a6b0ae823a3792 "> guyfromtex Posts: 1669 First: 3/26/2005 Last: 6/24/2011 I have often been critical of Danny Ainge. He has made some pretty stupid draft picks, trades, and foolishly failed to resign key players BUT he did a great job in this draft. I could write a book on this but I'll try my hardest not to. In this draft Ainge returned to what the identity of the Boston Celtics has been. Tough, defensive minded, cerebral, team-oriented, and offensively efficient. I liked Brooks as well and we may wind up regretting not keeping him but Johnson is a hell of a player as is Moore and because they played together for so long they come in with an established chemistry. The Boilermakers were one of the best defensive teams in college basketball and these two(Johnson and Moore) were the two best players of that team. They could also light up the scoreboard. Ainge did a great job in this draft. I have never said that about him before. Ainge will now focus on obtaining some Free Agents to fill the 5. Boston could wind up with an explosive bench that is also very strong on defense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzSTWi_jd4 "> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzSTWi_jd4 --------------------------------------------------- Fickle much? Typical bandwagon Celtic fan. Posted by koberulz