I see. Are there any clip on mics that have a mute button accessible in a reasonable place. And thanks. That's great advice. I just kind of want the best of both worlds. Good immersion and competitive edge. I guess that is hard to find. Plugging and unplugging the mic repeatedly could become problematic or even mess up the port the more I think about it. I just don't want to feel I could of got a better set of cans... SQ wise if I wasn't lazy and didn't do a mic mod. Lol man who would of thought so much thought would go into a pair of headphones/headsets.

Well at the end of the day, are these purchases just for gaming, or music with gaming being a plus? As I've stated before, gaming alone might not always be worth the significant difference in price, especially when sacrificing functionality.

If you don't have the extra cash to just drop on the DT 990 + a mic, and never really intend to use them for music listening, I wouldn't feel the least bit discontent with the PC360.

MLE, (or anyone else who's heard both >) we've heard MANY of the same headphones - what's your quick take on K70x and Dt990 in regards to soundstage performance and treble? You could use the PC360s as a reference, or any of the other ones in my sig which you've probably heard as well. Also are the Dt990 cups deeper than other Beyers? I thought I read that somewhere...

For me, K702 with Lyr sounded as good (bass department) as dt990 with E9

i never had any problems with treble on k702 nor dt990 (yeah.. i'm deaf)

regarding gaming, the bass of dt990 sounded superb on single player, but was clear enough for multiplayer. No complains on immersion or clarity with dt990

From what I've read the Xonar will power both of these fine without needing another amp.

Please confirm?

MLE's earlier mention about DH and double amping has confused me a little.

I will get DH fine without the need to double amp.

Please confirm?

MLE and all others that have posted here, thank you for all your time, it has stopped me making another uninformed and pretty much dumb purchase.

Anything will power the AD700s adequately. The A700s are closed, and from what I've read have a messier soundstage.

Going off your BF3 avatar, I'm inclined to suggest something other than the AD700s for you, as they won't deliver the immersion or fun of some other headphones. The positioning they will deliver, if thats all you care about. Of course given a sub $100 budget, your options get limited....

I'm sort of in the same boat. I haven't really used my PC360s since I've gotten the Q701s. The antlion mod mic is working well, and I'm not sure I need to keep a dedicated headset around anymore :\

Hmm.....maybe I should sell the PC360s.... Q701s are pretty good for immersion for me. I don't find them sound cold or thin at all. In fact, they have a thicker/punchier sound then most of the headphones I've tried, next to the CALs and DT880s. They have more bass with the mixamp with bass boost off than the PC360s with bass boost turned on. They have a much taller soundstage than PC360s and everything sounds bigger (not soundstage size, but object size - like it images objects to be bigger/taller/etc.) Things sounds smaller/shorter/thinner on the PC360. Q701 also does better with close/center soundstage than PC360s.

It sounds ridiculous, but I kind of want to compare the K70x and Q701. Some say the Q701 has smaller soundstage, but also more accurate. I have a feeling they are slightly warmer and more punchy than the K70x, but I'm still intrigued by the tempting promise of MOAR Soundstage LoL. I could also pick up some DT990s or something, though I'm still a bit afraid of the treble and bass being too much......hmmmmmm

MLE, (or anyone else who's heard both >) we've heard MANY of the same headphones - what's your quick take on K70x and Dt990 in regards to soundstage performance and treble? You could use the PC360s as a reference, or any of the other ones in my sig which you've probably heard as well. Also are the Dt990 cups deeper than other Beyers? I thought I read that somewhere...

The DT990's have a very open soundstage. It's not AD700 huge, but it's a bit smaller than the K701 in DH mode. The K701 has the widest soundtstage in stereo, but the AD700 opens up more in Dolby Headphone. The DT990 won't fail to impress, considering the bass would make you think it should sound more closed. I would say it's about as big as the PC360s, if not just maybe a teensy bit smaller, but it's close.

In terms of treble, while the DT990 is up there, the bass tends to flesh it out a little. the K701 doesn't get as harsh as the DT990, but it also doesn't have as much bass, so the mids and treble seem to be more prominent at times.

If you're okay with the DT880's treble, just expect a little more. But it really isn't bad especially for gaming. I honestly felt the AD700 to be quite a bit harsher when playing games.

The cups are all the same on the premium Beyers. I would think the DT770 gives you the most cup depth due to the pads not being as squishy as the DT880/990s. Expect the same feel as the DT880s.Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/18/12 at 2:50am

Fixed. And yes, Audio Technica's are made to not need an amp. In fact, the Xonar has an amp already built in, so you're set either way already.

Irrelevant in your case and means nothing unless you plan to add a dedicated external amplifier to the mix, which would be pointless.

I see you disapprove of the A700's. I may need closed, hope not but am concerned about sound leakage.

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Originally Posted by chicolom

Anything will power the AD700s adequately. The A700s are closed, and from what I've read have a messier soundstage.

Going off your BF3 avatar, I'm inclined to suggest something other than the AD700s for you, as they won't deliver the immersion or fun of some other headphones. The positioning they will deliver, if thats all you care about. Of course given a sub $100 budget, your options get limited....

That's concerning. How bad is the immersion likely to be?

Can the limited bass be corrected with EQ?

I'm currently using TB PX5's but if no one here has heard them, that won't help as a comparison.

The DT990's have a very open soundstage. It's not AD700 huge, but it's a bit smaller than the K701 in DH mode. The K701 has the widest soundtstage in stereo, but the AD700 opens up more in Dolby Headphone. The DT990 won't fail to impress, considering the bass would make you think it should sound more closed. I would say it's about as big as the PC360s, if not just maybe a teensy bit smaller, but it's close.
In terms of treble, while the DT990 is up there, the bass tends to flesh it out a little. the K701 doesn't get as harsh as the DT990, but it also doesn't have as much bass, so the mids and treble seem to be more prominent at times.
If you're okay with the DT880's treble, just expect a little more. But it really isn't bad especially for gaming. I honestly felt the AD700 to be quite a bit harsher when playing games.
The cups are all the same on the premium Beyers. I would think the DT770 gives you the most cup depth due to the pads not being as squishy as the DT880/990s. Expect the same feel as the DT880s.

Head-fi is not letting me edit my double post above

Well, I was fine with the DT880 treble. It had a bit of sparkle, but nothing major. The DH DSP also tends to gloss over the highs slightly. The DT880s sounded good, but could have used a bigger soundstage. I agree that AD700 could get pretty abrasive on some games, probably due in part of the lack of bass and upper mid frequencies to flesh out the sound.

High emphasis gives a better sense of air IMO, something the AD700s excelled at. I'm betting the DT990s can give some decent air too. The Q701 are a little darker, but they have good separation still.

I like tight bass (< remove one letter and that sounds really dirty :o) which the Dt880s were good at, but I'm willing to experiment with the infamous dt990. If the bass gets out of the way pretty quickly, it may be fine.

The earpads unfortunately may be a deal breaker. I seem to remember the Dt880s cramping my ears a tad.

Well regardless, its either those or some K70x to compare with my Q701s. I've tried the most of the others, and nothing else really checks the boxes for me until you get to "too expensive" headphones.