Norway Spiral : Case reopened - the anatomy of an event

Using trigonometry, one can find the angles of objects, distances to them, and even how tall they are, as long as you find different sides. This
is used in weather at times to tell how tall a thunderstorm top is. This is why this story fits directly into the weather.

The Norway Spiral event has been claimed by the Russian Military. The rocket was claimed to launch from the White Sea, heading northward. Armed with
this data, a conclusion using the Google Earth software demonstrated the direction the photograph was taken from was the White Sea, and the trajectory
was a ballistic missile track to the north.

So while it may look like something meteorological, or astronomical, the spiral was solved by using simple mathematics. The rocket, in this method,
is calculated to be about 97 to 106 miles high when the photo was taken, which is the exact altitude range for missiles in their third stages.

Additionally, a researcher at the Tromsø Geophysical Observatory (where they observe auroras) Truls Lynne Hansen is certain that the light was caused
by a missile launch. "The missile has probably come out of control and exploded," Hansen was quoted in the Barents Observer. "The peculiar spiral
shaped light pattern comes from reflection of the sun in the leaking fuel."
Visible in the images and videos is the sunlight just beginning to peek over the horizon which would have back-lit the fuel.

Another launch on November 1 also caused strange light phenomenon in northern parts of Norway, although not as spectacular as the one today. It also
caused speculation as to the cause, but it came from the launch of a Sineva missile from the nuclear submarine in the White Sea.

Doug Ellison from UnmannedSpaceflight.com has created a video (updated and improved from his earlier version we had in our previous article) showing
the morphology of a tumbling rocket stage throwing out unspent fuel in two directions. "This is a set of rendered views using 3DS Max to produce a
coarse simulation of what may have occurred to produce the beautiful formation in the sky over Norway earlier today," he said.

The explanation is logical. The events preceding the spiral indacate a failed missle attempt. The effect has been seen before. WHy is everyone so
anxious to come up with an over the top explanation? Rather than accept the explanation that fits? I thought we analyzed conspiracies no manufacture
them out of thin air? Gotta get over this. It wasn't Haarp. It wasn't a wormhole, Matreiya, aliens or anything else.

But you're missing my point I think. If you don't care, and you consider this topic a dead issue, or pointless to discuss any longer, then why even
bother visiting this thread in the first place?? This thread is for those who are intent on putting forth an actual discussion and debate, not for
those who offer stuff like:

"according to many friends of mine with REAL ENGINEERING BACKGROUNDS, the failed missile test theory makes about as much sense as a donkey
impregnating a chimpanzee on Independence day."

This has NO VALUE. I just want to be sure you realize that. It wasn't worth the energy it took you to type it nor the energy it took me to read it.
And I'm sure ATS could find better use for the bandwidth.

If you're going to go that far, then why not offer up some of the reasons why your supposed engineering buddies think that a missile theory is not
valid here.

From what you posted, it seems like the only engineers you know are donkey engineers, which I don't think would have any use here.

If I'm sounding harsh it's because this thread represents what's good about ATS and why I still come here. But it's posts like yours which seek to
go against what this site tries to represent, but has been sorely lacking as of late.

I as well initially thought along the same lines as you (eiscat) and spent a good 2 days doing research to come to the conclusion that it was a
missile, your presentation is really awesome. It just goes to show you that preconception or snap judgments cannot stand up to actually doing hard
work and figuring "stuff" out.

At one point I, half in jest, suggested that the spiral was indeed evidence of electronic counter measures.

I suspected this as well, just on a hunch, it brings up a very interesting topic. Just last week a U.S. general ( forget name) was talking about how
vulnerable gps and satellite reliant data is on the modern battlefield.

The detail and thought you have put into this is amazing. Highly commendable and thank you for your effort and your factual results. Whatever
caused it , I certainly wont be disagreeing as to the original location!!!

I understand your point of view EM, however if even one person finds enlightenment in the data presented by the OP then the thread has served its
purpose. We are here trying to deny ignorance and to that end the ressurection of zombie subjects is required to see things in light of new data or to
appreciate a new point of view.

I would hazard to say that if ATS didn't beat dead horses there would not be much to read!

Actually, the information that you asked me to provide (about my engineering buddies providing information against this) has been provided in previous
sky spiral threads. It's been done. That's my point. Its been done over and over, and then...I am asked to re-provide that same information in
yet...a new sky spiral thread. Although I will say this, I wasn't the one that provided that information on any of the threads. Other people beat
me to it.

And, I will agree...the statement that I made regarding donkeys impregnating chimpanzees on independence day has no value to gaining further ground on
this thread. However, there was a point to the "analogy." (if you would call it that) and since you seem quite intelligent, I think you know
exactly what that point was. And, I definitely would not call my father's efforts at engineering with NWSC anything to scoff at, nor my friend's
endeavors with game theory, electrical, and industrial engineering weak by any stretch of the imagination. I have not insulted you, therefore, it
shows a weak character to try to insult me or others who have spent years upon years working and developing things that have kept you and your family
safe.

Now, as far as hanging around in this thread...I merely made my statement and left. I am now fielding responses to the questions that I have received
as a result. I am not here to insult you or anyone else, but, I will say that the fact that this issue keeps arising is an insult to us all.

I understand your point of view EM, however if even one person finds enlightenment in the data presented by the OP then the thread has served its
purpose. We are here trying to deny ignorance and to that end the ressurection of zombie subjects is required to see things in light of new data or to
appreciate a new point of view.

I would hazard to say that if ATS didn't beat dead horses there would not be much to read!

[edit on 1-2-2010 by Helmkat]

I will give you credit on that statement Helmkat. Cheers to your observation.

I think That Norway spiral did not come from Russia .I think it may have came from the sky down and coming from a non invasive material that defects
detection however this is just specualtion unless i saw the event..

1. The object was located
2. It was rotational
3. Perfect locational
4. Down up or up from top

I still to this day believe this was no missile test. IT WAS A MISSILE LAUNCHED. At something, Something that has advanced tech that realizes
to dodge a rocket bound by modern day physics is to literally out spiral the rocket until the rocket looses its velocity.

Eyewitness accounts show UFO's preforming high velocity turns and stops and exhibiting other zero G like actions.

I pose this question to you all. How would a Zero G craft evade a modern day missile.

You all are focused on the wrong thing, missile tests, failed missile tests. i say BS.... i say, ?????WHAT WHERE THEY LAUNCHING AT????

Free you're minds and open them up to the other possibilities of this situation.

Well, quite honestly I haven't seen any of this info you speak of and I've been following and participating in almost all of these threads... not
sure if that's a good thing or not, but anyhow...

Perhaps you could've provided links in that post of yours pointing people to your information. No one is expecting you to provide this info, but if
you'd prefer to avoid outbursts like mine, and continue to support the quality of this forum, then please do post links for people.

I would certainly be interested in reading what your engineering friends' perspectives are on it all. The OP's analysis is not the first of it's
kind that I've seen but it was well laid out and is hard to refute given the math he's used.

It also serves to confirm what has been determined by other sources, that this was most likely a missile launch originating from the White Sea. Call
it a nail in the coffin so to speak...(maybe not the final nail, but certainly one that's not coming undone)

As you can see by all the stars and flags this thread has earned it's still a very interesting subject to many members and like I pointed out before
it seems to be serving it's purpose. Quite a few members who have had their tent firmly pitched in the" it can't be a missile" camp will read this
and surely move their tents to the other side, where it most likely belongs from my stand point...

The point is, this thread in all its intents and purposes was created in the name of truth by someone who took the time to research and analyze, and
also I might add was at one point not a believer in the missile theory...

All of that without evidence. Please keep baseless conjecture out of this thread. You might as well say it was a jam sandwich coming out of
hyperspeed too close to the Earth's magnetic field or some other nonsense.

Originally posted by BetweenTheLine
I still to this day believe this was no missile test. IT WAS A MISSILE LAUNCHED. At something, Something that has advanced tech that realizes
to dodge a rocket bound by modern day physics is to literally out spiral the rocket until the rocket looses its velocity.

Eyewitness accounts show UFO's preforming high velocity turns and stops and exhibiting other zero G like actions.

I pose this question to you all. How would a Zero G craft evade a modern day missile.

You all are focused on the wrong thing, missile tests, failed missile tests. i say BS.... i say, ?????WHAT WHERE THEY LAUNCHING AT????

Free you're minds and open them up to the other possibilities of this situation.

this is an excellently researched thread as far as trajectory (coming or going) goes, but it goes without saying that we still have absolutely no clue
what we are looking at. and trust me, i don't want to believe it's one thing (crazy theory) or another (rational theory) but i do know that
everyone still feels this in the back of their head when we all look at these pictures that we are not being told whole truth and we then must ask
ourselves why conceal facts or details to a global media blitz.

an identical event occured in the 80's in china, and despite china's proximity to russia, we still have as much understanding as to what it is as we
do after the norway phenomenon. i bring that up because, can anyone show us proof of russia testing/launching VERY similar rockets/missles almost 30
years ago?

again i have to commend your excellent research, posts like yours are why i love this website, but the morphology of this event and others
still smacks of a big blue unnknown spiral to me.

[also i read the entire thread and just want to clear up some posts:
-conspiracy means to use legal loopholes OR illegal means to illegally make money
-we shouldn't confuse the word conspiracy with flat out lying or withholding evidence. meaning we don't need to think of this event as a conspiracy
just yet, but either a cover up, or just a missle test/launch
-moot means the opposite of what everyone thinks. it means something IS arguable
-really glad helmkat brought up the beating dead horses point, i was going to say the same thing. imagine if we had stopped studying 9/11 on 9/12, or
march '03. seriously.. this is ATS. ]

And, I definitely would not call my father's efforts at engineering with NWSC anything to scoff at, nor my friend's endeavors with game theory,
electrical, and industrial engineering weak by any stretch of the imagination.

I must've missed this initially or maybe you edited in after I read it... but I wouldn't scoff at anything your father's done either, or your
friend. Actually I'm very interested in game theory... reading "the predictioneer's game" now.. that for another topic...

I have not insulted you, therefore, it shows a weak character to try to insult me or others who have spent years upon years working and
developing things that have kept you and your family safe.

No you have not insulted me, but you are now by considering my character weak. It was not my intent to insult you. I merely responded in a manner
based on what you provided in your posts. That's it. If you don't like it, then I'd suggest you might reconsider how you go about posting.

And please don't lay out this stuff about how you do things to keep me safe and how I should watch my manner with you. I mean really, how in the
world am I supposed to know what you do in the first place...

It's not hard to realize that the only way to judge people on here is by the quality (or lack there-of) of their posts. That's unfortunate but 'tis
the way 'tis...

Now, I haven't found the primary link that I'm looking for yet. It may take some time. Also, I don't know that I am necessarily in agreement of
anything else other than the first link. However, there is some very thorough info provided on the first and should be considered equally as viable
as anything that has been posted. The mathematics are sound and point in an alternate direction than a failed missile.

These links are not from my friend. As I said before, I am currently looking for the primary link.

I will provide more soon. Right now I'm sitting in a political science class at I.U. I'm not only taking notes but researching this. So, it will
be a little while. Thanks.

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