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Keep it coming, Stacko. I had to turn off CNN because of all the GOP harping on the other witch hunt they have in mind. I wonder what is the greater crime, leaking, or waiting until the new Director of National Intelligence and others on the incoming team make sure it is swept under the rug?

Keep it coming, Stacko. I had to turn off CNN because of all the GOP harping on the other witch hunt they have in mind. I wonder what is the greater crime, leaking, or waiting until the new Director of National Intelligence and others on the incoming team make sure it is swept under the rug?

Sure but I think I can see what he was trying to get at. Were the Russians getting involved solely because they wanted Hillary to lose (i.e. the were implacably opposed to her for some reason, like they couldn't bear that someone who was a little careless with their emails was in the White House ) and would have been happy to see any Republican in the White House instead or were they getting involved in order that Donald Trump was going to be elected.

Of course, if the interference came after the primaries then it's a difference without distinction unless anyone seriously thinks that a third party candidate would have won.

Personally if I was a US citizen, I think a candidate that Putin doesn't like is a good thing YMMV.

How has no Dem asked, "Why did Comey confirm Clinton probe but not Trump probe pre-election?" Almost makes you feel sorry for the fools that wanted insurance for everybody and worried about a POTUS under FBI investigation

Sure but I think I can see what he was trying to get at. Were the Russians getting involved solely because they wanted Hillary to lose (i.e. the were implacably opposed to her for some reason, like they couldn't bear that someone who was a little careless with their emails was in the White House ) and would have been happy to see any Republican in the White House instead or were they getting involved in order that Donald Trump was going to be elected.

Of course, if the interference came after the primaries then it's a difference without distinction unless anyone seriously thinks that a third party candidate would have won.

Personally if I was a US citizen, I think a candidate that Putin doesn't like is a good thing YMMV.

The reasons are purportedly because (1) as SoS she said unflattering things about Putin and pursued policies he didn't like and (2) Nato expansion under Bill Clinton.

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When many of the protests erupted after the Trumpsters' election, I recall a lot of derision towards the protesters as " upset because their candidate lost ". I usually retorted that that was a mis-characterization of the sentiment. The protesters were angry that Trump was elected, not that Hillary was not. Had a third party candidate won instead of Trump, the protesters (Hillary supporters or otherwise) would not have been out in such numbers.

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When many of the protests erupted after the Trumpsters' election, I recall a lot of derision towards the protesters as " upset because their candidate lost ". I usually retorted that that was a mis-characterization of the sentiment. The protesters were angry that Trump was elected, not that Hillary was not. Had a third party candidate won instead of Trump, the protesters (Hillary supporters or otherwise) would not have been out in such numbers.

You can pretend a third party can win all you want but America elections are effectively a contest between two parties at present. I doubt Russia gave any thought to anyone winning other than Hillary or Donald.

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Sure but I think I can see what he was trying to get at. Were the Russians getting involved solely because they wanted Hillary to lose (i.e. the were implacably opposed to her for some reason, like they couldn't bear that someone who was a little careless with their emails was in the White House ) and would have been happy to see any Republican in the White House instead or were they getting involved in order that Donald Trump was going to be elected.

There are way too many connections between Trump and his administration and the Russians for this to be coincidence.

How has no Dem asked, "Why did Comey confirm Clinton probe but not Trump probe pre-election?" Almost makes you feel sorry for the fools that wanted insurance for everybody and worried about a POTUS under FBI investigation

Also, they should ask about the pee pee tape. It would be fun to have a clip of Comey refusing to confirm or deny if it's real.

He dismissed the claim that Russia had compromising information on him as "fake news." But something must have been said to him, or shown to him, that led him to finally concede Russian involvement. One explanation is that he was shown or told about Russian surveillance of Trump himself. I can't imagine anything else changing his mind. Digital footprints wouldn't have done it; it would have to be a smoking gun, IMO. Something simple that Donald could understand. The existence of video he hadn't known about, or possibly even the video itself, probably would have done it. But has he or anyone else ever said what changed his mind?

You can pretend a third party can win all you want but America elections are effectively a contest between two parties at present. I doubt Russia gave any thought to anyone winning other than Hillary or Donald.

Who's pretending anything? The distinction is real, and important. If the Russians tried to influence the outcome in order to defeat Hillary Clinton- obviously they would pick the person likely to defeat her (Trump, in this case) to aid- that does not indicate any fondness for Trump, only disdain for Clinton. OTOH, if they decided to aid Trumps campaign because they expect something in return from Trump, or because they feel Trump will harm the country in some way that another candidate wouldn't, the implications are different.

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If Trump's genius 3-dimensional chess master plan in accusing Obama of wiretapping his phones was to get people to stop talking about his campaign's Russia connections and to make intelligence bigwigs deny that those connections were being investigated, it just backfired spectacularly.

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As did Putin's supporting of Trump. It has made any softening of US policy toward Russia political Kryptonite for the GOP.
Some even feel that PUtin main goal was just causing disruption in the US Political System,with electing Trump a secondary goal.

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If Trump's genius 3-dimensional chess master plan in accusing Obama of wiretapping his phones was to get people to stop talking about his campaign's Russia connections and to make intelligence bigwigs deny that those connections were being investigated, it just backfired spectacularly.

No, no, no. According to the Ponderers of All Things Trump, what's actually going on here is that he pointed to the "wiretaps" to get people to stop talking about his campaigns Russia connections PRECISELY because he'd figured out that the FBI would eventually go public with their investigation. See, they'll never actually charge him with anything because Hillary was never charged with anything, so once he gets past this, not only will he have proven that all other news is fake, but he'll be able to show that he needs to do away with the FBI & replace them with his hand picked agency.

As did Putin's supporting of Trump. It has made any softening of US policy toward Russia political Kryptonite for the GOP.
Some even feel that PUtin main goal was just causing disruption in the US Political System,with electing Trump a secondary goal.

We also learned that Russia hacked both GOP & Democratic email accounts but exploited only Democratic accounts. GOP in a very compromised position right now.

But that's reading a lot into a relatively small number of tea leaves. What is clear is that this was a very bad day for the President. In it, we learned that there is an open-ended Russia investigation with no timetable for completion, one that's going hang over Trump's head for a long time, and one to which the FBI director is entirely committed.