so it's been a much more pleasant experience than say the first month of the game.

What SE really needs to implement is an age filter. I want to be able to queue up in the DF and play with other 30-somethings, and not have to have my buzz killed by some repressed, hormonal teenage gamer.

Age filter would be an absolute god send. As a fellow 30+ gamer, I too grow tired of the childish behavior. Sadly, we are a very small demographic, so I doubt any game company is itching to placate our desires.

so it's been a much more pleasant experience than say the first month of the game.

What SE really needs to implement is an age filter. I want to be able to queue up in the DF and play with other 30-somethings, and not have to have my buzz killed by some repressed, hormonal teenage gamer.

Age filter would be an absolute god send. As a fellow 30+ gamer, I too grow tired of the childish behavior. Sadly, we are a very small demographic, so I doubt any game company is itching to placate our desires.

Ok, this is perhaps a little unrelated, but I want to share it anyway.

So I have this player who is a fresh 50 BLM, just beat the Main Scenario, and he's getting ready to start grinding away at CM for Philo tomes. I suggest to him that he's better off running WP and explain the advantages (less people, easier and faster to run, awards Myth along with Philo, getting iLvl 55 gear to fill in slots while he's waiting on DL, the works), then the FC leader comes in and is all like "wtf are you suggesting to him" and I say "I'm just telling him WP is better to do then crappy CM." She proceeds to tell me that no, he needs DL, and that we're not trying to spend all day farming tomes. I reply that he's gotta start somewhere and that WP is perfectly doable in AF (this is all while I'm running WP myself with 2 other FC mates and a DF PLD). She's starting to ask me how many times have I run WP and what's my gearset. I joke, "I dunno, ask my buddy Mr. Thyrus." Which somehow goes completely over her head. I have to tell her I'm a relic WHM (one week away from relic +1) with full DL, and then she's like "ok well you can start helping him with WP runs," which I don't mind doing at all but it's late and I need to go to bed soon. I wanted to try a run anyway just to prove he'd be fine, but he and the leader had already logged out. I send a tell to my friend wondering wtf was that all about, and she replies that that's the first time she's ever seen the leader like that.

I'm sorry, but this whole "you need the highest gear to do events" (aka must have Delve weapon to farm Delve for us old FFXI farts) can go die in a fire. Just to drive the point home, the PLD we picked up was in nothing higher than AK gear, one of my FC mates was a DRG in full AF with Ifrit's harpoon, the other was a relic BRD but only had 2 pieces of DL, which left me with the full DL+relic, but I'm the WHM, so I don't count depending on how you look at it. We got though WP with no issues at all, save a tiny hiccup at the slime. What shocked me most though is that this took place in my own FC.

Shh, it's funny to see one of the games blindest white knights bashing it. If anyone else had made this topic a month ago he would of argued to the death it was untrue. I'd rate his thread up if I could.

Criticizing the players of the game is not the same as criticizing the game.

If someone is looking to buy into an mmo I can assure you that the stinking horrible community is as important as the game itself, especially considering FFXI had one of the best communities in any mmo.

Thayos wrote:

And welcome back to the forums! You've been awfully quiet lately.

The little interest I did have in the game has mostly gone, just as is the case for many other people. Anyway, good luck with your mmo with a horrible comunity.

XI's community was no better. You can try to spin that the fear of reputation might scare some people straight, but if it takes a metaphorical someone standing nearby with a paddle to keep you from misbehaving, you're not a good person before or after the fact. No, the good people aren't participating in Jeuno shoutfests or waving their epeen in MD. They're playing the game, often with their friends, and actually being helpful when the option presents itself (and 99.9999999999999(add as many 9s at you want)% of the time outside your field of awareness). I **** well had princesses in XI groups. Enough people have mentioned the Catch 22 thing here and in XI to solidify the duality. Kids under the veil of anonymity will be kids. Adults under the same will act like even younger kids. Men will pretend to be women. Women will seduce men for free sh*t. People, as I've bluntly put this in so many other posts on this topic, will be people, with all the same demons and angels amongst them.

If anything, I think I see more people ****** that peasants don't have to lick their boots just to get anywhere. But they were the scum of FFXI, too.

I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.

Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.

The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... ****. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!

It really is that bad, isn't it?

You aren't judging the entire community based on your two runs in CM and Prae.... are you ?

I got my WAR to 50 and started working on BRD and DoH classes. Haven't played in 2 weeks though. Once I saw the attitude of people at endgame, I was put off. Being 30+ with responsibilities, I personally don't see the need to treat this game like a job. I have one of those already and it pays well. True, a lot of them could be young, but I'm sure there are some my age sprinkled in there as well...and that's...that's pretty sad, really. Eventually I'll get back to the game. I transferred to Balmung (in my experiences, RP servers have a more laid back community) so I'm curious to see if I can meet new people and make friends. Part of me wants to just get my favorite classes to 50 and hope that by then most of them have left.

I'm not just judging endgame on the fact that I'm 0/2 on level 50 dungeons (in terms of being grouped with good, helpful people). I'm also judging this based on the sheer volume of horror stories I've seen on the forums and in my FC.

I played FFXI for eight years (or longer) and don't ever recall seeing the kind of immaturity I saw the other night in not one, but two parties.

Really, I can't explain why that is. I'll also blame poor parenting before I ever blame WoW or any other game.

I don't know if it's a good thing or not, but once you get to around your 20th-30th time doing the same dungeon, angsty players actually seem to be nothing more than a hiccup in a long road to freedom... With that being said, I really love WP, as it is easy enough to get 3 friends together if I can, or queue up if I have to, and just run through a more relaxed environment. Even speedy people don't seem as quick on the draw in there. I actually prefer it now over all other level 50 dungeons. And I will even continue to run it when I max out on ToM.

Yeah I've been meaning to ask, what's with all the unwarranted rage quit drama?

Are you referring to drama on Ultros? I wasn't aware of any when I left... I just moved to Sag to be with old friends from FFXI. I really had wanted to play this game on my legacy character, but I was torn between starting in a new community. In the end, my old friends tipped the scale.

I didn't rage quit either, I simply ended up devoting more of my limited resources to the character I made on Lamia since that's where my RL friends are. My Ultros char is still in the FC. I just haven't played with her in a few weeks.

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FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck: Retired December 2014

Thayos wrote:

I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

XI's community was no better. You can try to spin that the fear of reputation might scare some people straight, but if it takes a metaphorical someone standing nearby with a paddle to keep you from misbehaving, you're not a good person before or after the fact. No, the good people aren't participating in Jeuno shoutfests or waving their epeen in MD. They're playing the game, often with their friends, and actually being helpful when the option presents itself (and 99.9999999999999(add as many 9s at you want)% of the time outside your field of awareness). I **** well had princesses in XI groups. Enough people have mentioned the Catch 22 thing here and in XI to solidify the duality. Kids under the veil of anonymity will be kids. Adults under the same will act like even younger kids. Men will pretend to be women. Women will seduce men for free sh*t. People, as I've bluntly put this in so many other posts on this topic, will be people, with all the same demons and angels amongst them.

If anything, I think I see more people ****** that peasants don't have to lick their boots just to get anywhere. But they were the scum of FFXI, too.

Edited, Oct 29th 2013 10:28am by Seriha

Gonna disagree with you there. I'm not saying XI's community was inherently better, but rather that it HAD to be better out of necessity. The thing about XI is since it required you to be in a group for 99.999% of all activities you weren't going to get very far if you acted like a ****, unless somehow you managed to land yourself at the top of the totem pole or in an officer role. Reputation and at least feigning civility was essential to progression. I'm just thinking, if I would have ever chewed out someone in one of my dynamis groups as a normal member I would have been kicked so fast my head wouldn've spun. And I probably would have had a really tough time finding another group.

The DF in XIV gives people an added level of anonymity because they know there's a good chance they'll never encounter the people they're playing with again. Consequently, there are no social ramifications for being rude. I'm guilty of being curt myself, and especially of telling rude players exactly where I think they can shove their egos.

The behaviour of people on the internet in general these days is far worse than it was back when you or I started using it. Search your feelings, you know this to be true! When I was 13 and I went on my first IRC chat everyone was incredibly nice and friendly. It was like a small, close knit group of nerds with a common interest. Now as the internet has opened up to basically everyone in the world, there has been a degradation of this sense of community, except in pockets or niche groups.

Anyway I'm on a bit of a ranting spree so I'll leave it there for now.

Gonna disagree with you there. I'm not saying XI's community was inherently better, but rather that it HAD to be better out of necessity. The thing about XI is since it required you to be in a group for 99.999% of all activities you weren't going to get very far if you acted like a ****, unless somehow you managed to land yourself at the top of the totem pole or in an officer role. Reputation and at least feigning civility was essential to progression. I'm just thinking, if I would have ever chewed out someone in one of my dynamis groups as a normal member I would have been kicked so fast my head wouldn've spun. And I probably would have had a really tough time finding another group.

The DF in XIV gives people an added level of anonymity because they know there's a good chance they'll never encounter the people they're playing with again. Consequently, there are no social ramifications for being rude. I'm guilty of being curt myself, and especially of telling rude players exactly where I think they can shove their egos.

The behaviour of people on the internet in general these days is far worse than it was back when you or I started using it. Search your feelings, you know this to be true! When I was 13 and I went on my first IRC chat everyone was incredibly nice and friendly. It was like a small, close knit group of nerds with a common interest. Now as the internet has opened up to basically everyone in the world, there has been a degradation of this sense of community, except in pockets or niche groups.

Anyway I'm on a bit of a ranting spree so I'll leave it there for now.

I hate to say it, but you are wrong. This same asshat behavior existed in FFXI, people just had to bite their tongues and grind their teeth over it. Typically, the asshat/princess/prima dona would be the tank or healer, and therefore essential even if not an officer. Sure, there were linkshells that it did not happen in, but there sure as **** were some where it did. As for no consequences in DF, there is. I've located every person I've played with in DF fairly simply. It's very easy to target them and subsequently name/shame if you **** well please. Like in the past, however, YMMV.

And as for this whole "INTERNET IS WORSE NOW", get over yourself. It isn't the internet, it's the people. Even if IRC were widespread in the 90's as FB is today, you'd have seen no difference. The difference is the idol worship lavished upon the caricature of the @#%^. See shows like Jersey Shore, Honey Boo Boo, Duck Dynasty, pretty much anything reality-TV based. Couple that with the entitlement generation we have where everyone wins and no one loses, and boom, you have an entire army of trolling @#%^tards who think it's entertaining to be a little rage monster with no manners that also feel the world owes them @#%^ing everything.

Don't blame the internet for a generation of bad parenting in Western culture.

Edit:

These tickled a memory..

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

Shouldn't it just be "Dual Shield"

rfolkker wrote:

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

I don't remember the guy who has them in game... BUT I WANTS!!! They have like Rocket-Launchers on them!

Gonna disagree with you there. I'm not saying XI's community was inherently better, but rather that it HAD to be better out of necessity. The thing about XI is since it required you to be in a group for 99.999% of all activities you weren't going to get very far if you acted like a ****, unless somehow you managed to land yourself at the top of the totem pole or in an officer role. Reputation and at least feigning civility was essential to progression. I'm just thinking, if I would have ever chewed out someone in one of my dynamis groups as a normal member I would have been kicked so fast my head wouldn've spun. And I probably would have had a really tough time finding another group.

The DF in XIV gives people an added level of anonymity because they know there's a good chance they'll never encounter the people they're playing with again. Consequently, there are no social ramifications for being rude. I'm guilty of being curt myself, and especially of telling rude players exactly where I think they can shove their egos.

The behaviour of people on the internet in general these days is far worse than it was back when you or I started using it. Search your feelings, you know this to be true! When I was 13 and I went on my first IRC chat everyone was incredibly nice and friendly. It was like a small, close knit group of nerds with a common interest. Now as the internet has opened up to basically everyone in the world, there has been a degradation of this sense of community, except in pockets or niche groups.

Anyway I'm on a bit of a ranting spree so I'll leave it there for now.

I hate to say it, but you are wrong. This same asshat behavior existed in FFXI, people just had to bite their tongues and grind their teeth over it. Typically, the asshat/princess/prima dona would be the tank or healer, and therefore essential even if not an officer. Sure, there were linkshells that it did not happen in, but there sure as **** were some where it did. As for no consequences in DF, there is. I've located every person I've played with in DF fairly simply. It's very easy to target them and subsequently name/shame if you **** well please. Like in the past, however, YMMV.

And as for this whole "INTERNET IS WORSE NOW", get over yourself. It isn't the internet, it's the people. Even if IRC were widespread in the 90's as FB is today, you'd have seen no difference. The difference is the idol worship lavished upon the caricature of the @#%^. See shows like Jersey Shore, Honey Boo Boo, Duck Dynasty, pretty much anything reality-TV based. Couple that with the entitlement generation we have where everyone wins and no one loses, and boom, you have an entire army of trolling @#%^tards who think it's entertaining to be a little rage monster with no manners that also feel the world owes them @#%^ing everything.

Don't blame the internet for a generation of bad parenting in Western culture.

Edit:

These tickled a memory..

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

Shouldn't it just be "Dual Shield"

rfolkker wrote:

Catwho wrote:

Dual wield shields!

I don't remember the guy who has them in game... BUT I WANTS!!! They have like Rocket-Launchers on them!

The behaviour of people on the internet in general these days is far worse than it was back when you or I started using it. Search your feelings, you know this to be true! When I was 13 and I went on my first IRC chat everyone was incredibly nice and friendly. It was like a small, close knit group of nerds with a common interest. Now as the internet has opened up to basically everyone in the world, there has been a degradation of this sense of community, except in pockets or niche groups.

That's basically what you said. What I am saying is that it has 0 to do with the internet. The same is happening in real life too. Search your feelings, you know this to be true!!!!!

And the reason I told you to get over yourself? Well....

You said that people were nicer when you were 13 on IRC. I don't know how old you are now, but I'm fairly certain you didn't speak to the entire internet at age 13. Secondly, you're trying to come off very wise and learned, which is utter bullsh*t. XI's community had its @#%^ed up sections, the internet of your age 13 days had its @#%^ed up sections. You're wearing those glorious rose-coloured, never happened in my day glasses. Granted, culture has shifted dramatically as well, but not everything is as pristine as your memory holds it. We tend to recall the past fondly, even if it were utter sh*t, because if we do recall it as utter sh*t, then we aren't nearly as happy as we'd like to be.

And am I a part of the problem? Why don't you tell me, oh wise, enlightened guru?

The behaviour of people on the internet in general these days is far worse than it was back when you or I started using it. Search your feelings, you know this to be true! When I was 13 and I went on my first IRC chat everyone was incredibly nice and friendly. It was like a small, close knit group of nerds with a common interest. Now as the internet has opened up to basically everyone in the world, there has been a degradation of this sense of community, except in pockets or niche groups.

That's basically what you said. What I am saying is that it has 0 to do with the internet. The same is happening in real life too. Search your feelings, you know this to be true!!!!!

And the reason I told you to get over yourself? Well....

You said that people were nicer when you were 13 on IRC. I don't know how old you are now, but I'm fairly certain you didn't speak to the entire internet at age 13. Secondly, you're trying to come off very wise and learned, which is utter bullsh*t. XI's community had its @#%^ed up sections, the internet of your age 13 days had its @#%^ed up sections. You're wearing those glorious rose-coloured, never happened in my day glasses. Granted, culture has shifted dramatically as well, but not everything is as pristine as your memory holds it. We tend to recall the past fondly, even if it were utter sh*t, because if we do recall it as utter sh*t, then we aren't nearly as happy as we'd like to be.

And am I a part of the problem? Why don't you tell me, oh wise, enlightened guru?

Edited, Oct 29th 2013 2:46pm by Pawkeshup

Again, no it's not, lol... please read it -again-. All I was attempting to say is that the internet is a worse place now then it was when I was young. I think you're trying to say the same thing, so I don't see again why you brought causal factors into this. It's too complex and I don't even want to start down that road.

Maybe that's how you take it, but I think people who are less insecure will probably recognize that my post was based on my _opinion_, which is a function of my experience. From the sounds of it you and I had very different experiences on XI. I played it for 7 years, and I'm confident in what I saw. On a whole the pockets you mentioned did not define the community, but now they have come to because of their sheer number. No, I do not have rose-coloured glasses on, because in fact I look back on most (not all) of my XI experience as a waste of my precious time.

You started off as hostile and I'm not sure why. I already said it was your tone, so again maybe you should reread what I wrote. Birds of a feather... which probably explains why your take on XI and its in-game community is so negative.

I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.

Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.

The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... ****. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!

It really is that bad, isn't it?

You aren't judging the entire community based on your two runs in CM and Prae.... are you ?

Thayos your on the same server as I am my FC runs WP, AK, CM all the time basically all day send me a tell in game if you are having no luck on DF and want to dungeon

Actually I'm on Sagatarnus (spelling?) now... no longer on Ultros. Moved to be with old friends from XI.

If you're there, though, I'll definitely hit you up!

ZAM on Ultros is a lot ... different now

Yeah I've been meaning to ask, what's with all the unwarranted rage quit drama?

You would have to ask the head of the FC for the inspiration behind its name. I wasnt mad when I left. Actually only one person even noticed (thanks Hairspray ). I observed two sides having frustration and I picked the dissenters. Why? They helped me out the most, and are good friends.