This is all very interesting to me... Though I believe Unions have their place, I also believe that they have crippled America's ability to be competitive in the real world. Unions were formed initially to help protect workers gainst unsafe working enviroments and from being taken advantage of in many ways...

Many years ago, the table had been turned and enabled the Unions to hold companies hostage through strikes, and make demands of wages and benefits that simply do not match their level of expertise and education. The only way companies were able to stay in business were to ship these jobs over seas where the wages were competitve. I don't believe people can expect to get paid $60+ dollars an hour in some cases, to do a job that an 18 year old could be trained to do just as well for half the price.

This is the first of many Right to Work cases that are going to unfold as the government tries to make the US competitive again. I'm sure there will be much more violence as this plays out. Sad to see, but neccesary in my opinion.

Quoting: Warrior of the Apocalypse

Best post in this thread. Truth.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1469248

agreed.

labor unions had their purpose at one time but i dont see what good they do anymore

Quoting: Oyster

They were never good period! Unions were started by communist, then taken over by mafia and ultimately controlled by the new marxist (Democrats) as a giant slush fund.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27386289

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

" I'm Jewish. I don't work out. If God had wanted us to bend over, He would have put diamonds on the floor." -- Joan Rivers

This video is actually a composite of a things that happened over the course of the day, many of them hours apart. The initial conversation happened early in the morning. At about 0:16, it cuts to Crowder saying, “You’ve already destroyed one tent, leave this one alone.” That happened hours after the interview with the union workers that starts the segment. The guy he’s talking to is standing quite a distance from the tent but Crowder insists that he’s somehow tearing down the tent.

Selective editing at about 0:39 mark shows what appears to be union guy attacking Crowder for no apparent reason. However, if you look closely, you’ll see that the guy is getting up off the ground — that he was NOT the one that became aggressive first.

At about 1:13, as the tent is coming down, Crowder comes over to the cameraman and waves him off as if to say, “that’s enough filming.” The reason for this becomes clear if you watch this longer, less edited version of the video:

What they apparently don’t want you to see is union members using knives to cut the tent open to let people inside out. Rather, the message that is being sent by the conservative media and blogosphere is that the union members deliberately cut the tent to pieces in an act of malicious vandalism. As Matt Allen points out in his comments HERE, the union members actually ask, “Is everybody out?” and then proceed to make sure that they are.

At 1:49 in the longer video, one union members notes that an AFP guy has a gun and brags that he’s “killed plenty of mother fuckers with a gun” (i.e., he’s killed people who were in possession of guns.) This is being played up as if a UNION MEMBER had a gun. Not true.

It appears that Crowder was actually pulled back by a protester in that segment which is not evident in the longer video but IS evident in the shorter, edited video. My apology for the error and thanks to those in the comments who pointed it out to me.

Crowder uses a technique of intentionally invading your personal space to make you uncomfortable and then peppers you with questions to make you angry. It is an intentional act to incite an angry response. The Capitol grounds were a tinderbox of angry folks and both AFP and Fox News tossed a lit match into it and then blamed the wood for catching fire.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29632102

Wow your lies are thick, and if you condone this behavior you are the sorriest piece of shit ever to run down your mothers leg.

I've been fighting MMA for 18 years and i have fought professional, pay per views ect.... so i know what im talking about when i say, Crowder did the best thing by walking away. Why? 2 main reasons. 1 - You never let your emotions (very pissed off) interact with your fighting. Fighting mad keeps you from focusing and thinking.2 - If he had fought back, he would have been beaten by the entire gang of protesters. No matter how good you are, i highly doubt anyone could far well against 30 angry men with sticks in their hands.I think he did the right thing. Now, he has a chance to make the chicken shit who sucker punched him look even more like the nut-less pussy that he is.The union guy wont take the challenge. He knows he will get his fat ass beat in front of the entire world.

To the dude claiming "bulk" hinders MMA fighting... LOL.Wrong.If you mean "bulk" as being fat... then maybe so but... "Bulk" as in quality muscle combined with quickness and speed builds the perfect fighter.When i competed i weighed 245lbs @ 6ft1 and my "bulk" was always an advantage for me. Its good to know you can power out of a hold that most others couldnt.I fought almost all the "famous" MMA fighters from 2003 until 2008. Won some, lost some. Although i HATE Mainstain media and its programmed reporters i would still like to see this dude beat some ass in the squared circle.

I've been fighting MMA for 18 years and i have fought professional, pay per views ect.... so i know what im talking about when i say, Crowder did the best thing by walking away. Why? 2 main reasons. 1 - You never let your emotions (very pissed off) interact with your fighting. Fighting mad keeps you from focusing and thinking.2 - If he had fought back, he would have been beaten by the entire gang of protesters. No matter how good you are, i highly doubt anyone could far well against 30 angry men with sticks in their hands.I think he did the right thing. Now, he has a chance to make the chicken shit who sucker punched him look even more like the nut-less pussy that he is.The union guy wont take the challenge. He knows he will get his fat ass beat in front of the entire world.

To the dude claiming "bulk" hinders MMA fighting... LOL.Wrong.If you mean "bulk" as being fat... then maybe so but... "Bulk" as in quality muscle combined with quickness and speed builds the perfect fighter.When i competed i weighed 245lbs @ 6ft1 and my "bulk" was always an advantage for me. Its good to know you can power out of a hold that most others couldnt.I fought almost all the "famous" MMA fighters from 2003 until 2008. Won some, lost some. Although i HATE Mainstain media and its programmed reporters i would still like to see this dude beat some ass in the squared circle.

At 5:53 something happens off camera and when it swings back Crowder is standing over the man with his fists up in the defensive. Crowder admitted he was a cage fighter, he dropped this guy in less than 3 seconds off camera. With this I HIGHLY doubt he got sucker punched, he clearly did something to the man.

Also if you know anything about Stephen Crowder before this incident, you would know he is a shameless opportunistic attention whore. So it wouldn't surprise me if this was staged or he started it.

If you took the time to read what I said you would understand. I said trained MMA fighters don't put their head down like that. Fastest way to get knocked out is close your eyes/put your head down.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6673466

Yup. I train mma, and that shit will get you uppercutted, or worse, knees to the face.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27644686

Could someone tell me, How do MMA and a union protest go together. Most union rally's and/or protest involve firearms and large groups (some would say mobs) of angry workers willing to fucking blow your head off about their paychecks. They have bills and kids to feed, and they're deadly serious about keeping what has been negotiated under contract. So, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any MMA training that makes you bullet proof. How Bout you..

This country was founded on the principle of law and assembling to protest against wrongs and grievances ignored. So if you don't want to get fucked up, don't go messing around where you don't have any damn business. Reporters, getting into the mix with Union protesters, will definitely get you fucked up. I hope he learned something from it...DON"T FUCK WITH THE UNIONS...and keep your mouth shut or someone will shut it for ya....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29710611

So the union guys have the right to assemble and protest but news people don't have the right to cover that protest and they should just stay the hell out of the way?

Gotcha.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574

By all means, reporters have the right to cover protest. Reporters also have the right to report stories about what lions eat at the zoo, but I don't see any of them getting the cage with lions.

Common sense say's a large group of angry people with hurt you, add on top of that some dumb-ass reporter, putting his two cents in when he's got a guaranteed contract paying big money. Furthermore, most TV reporters and cameramen are in some kind of union.

Is it PROPAGANDA..who knows..maybe it was even staged as some have said in numerous post. Just so you know, I'm not anti-union or pro-union, as a matter of fact I really don't have a strong opinion about unions either way, my comment was really about attaching MMA into the mix, as if that has some bearing on anything that happened..."What If" that were a trained MMA fighter crap.... "What If your aunt had a dick..she would be your uncle". Just more fucking meat heads spouting MMA bullshit. There are only a very small handful of MMA fighters that are highly trained and elite, the rest are just loud mouth wanna be's. When I was in the in the service, I saw a lot of those types of meat-heads, and one night while out partying with the guys, one of tough ass-holes picked on a civilian. He was a rather thin and unassuming guy, but he fucked that dude up so bad, I believe he was granted a medical discharge due to the blindness in one of his eyes after that fight. I'm just saying use your fucking head, have some common sense and if have stupid employers that send you into heated and/or dangerous situations, be very aware....YOU COULD GET FUCKED UP, STAY OUT OF THE LION'S CAGE.....

They should have sent Geraldo Rivera instead. At least he would have fought back.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13048163

I was sitting next to Geraldo at a local watering hole while he was up in my neck of the woods covering a child kidnapping. Geraldo is pretty buffed. I wouldn't want to fuck with him. Smelled like he had some ganja in his pocket, too...

This video is actually a composite of a things that happened over the course of the day, many of them hours apart. The initial conversation happened early in the morning. At about 0:16, it cuts to Crowder saying, “You’ve already destroyed one tent, leave this one alone.” That happened hours after the interview with the union workers that starts the segment. The guy he’s talking to is standing quite a distance from the tent but Crowder insists that he’s somehow tearing down the tent.

Selective editing at about 0:39 mark shows what appears to be union guy attacking Crowder for no apparent reason. However, if you look closely, you’ll see that the guy is getting up off the ground — that he was NOT the one that became aggressive first.

At about 1:13, as the tent is coming down, Crowder comes over to the cameraman and waves him off as if to say, “that’s enough filming.” The reason for this becomes clear if you watch this longer, less edited version of the video:

What they apparently don’t want you to see is union members using knives to cut the tent open to let people inside out. Rather, the message that is being sent by the conservative media and blogosphere is that the union members deliberately cut the tent to pieces in an act of malicious vandalism. As Matt Allen points out in his comments HERE, the union members actually ask, “Is everybody out?” and then proceed to make sure that they are.

At 1:49 in the longer video, one union members notes that an AFP guy has a gun and brags that he’s “killed plenty of mother fuckers with a gun” (i.e., he’s killed people who were in possession of guns.) This is being played up as if a UNION MEMBER had a gun. Not true.

It appears that Crowder was actually pulled back by a protester in that segment which is not evident in the longer video but IS evident in the shorter, edited video. My apology for the error and thanks to those in the comments who pointed it out to me.

Crowder uses a technique of intentionally invading your personal space to make you uncomfortable and then peppers you with questions to make you angry. It is an intentional act to incite an angry response. The Capitol grounds were a tinderbox of angry folks and both AFP and Fox News tossed a lit match into it and then blamed the wood for catching fire.

Steve Crowder openly challenged the guy to an officially sanctioned MMA match on Hannity last night.

He stated $6000 had been donated so far as a reward for someone to turn in the identity of the guy who sucker punched him and that he was going to press charges against him, but that he would drop all charges if the guy would agree to face him in the ring, 1 on 1, in an officially sanctioned MMA match. That he would match the $6000 and whoever won could donate it to their favorite charity.

What do you want to bet the guy who sucker punched him is too much of a pussy to meet him in the ring?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29671717

Oh, Faux will make it all fair and square as always, LOL!

Either way you're not going to hear the truth of why these guys are protesting.

In the meantime FOX wants set him up so overpaid junk peddlers appealing to the lowest of the low can scream in his ears nonstop.

Steve Crowder openly challenged the guy to an officially sanctioned MMA match on Hannity last night.

He stated $6000 had been donated so far as a reward for someone to turn in the identity of the guy who sucker punched him and that he was going to press charges against him, but that he would drop all charges if the guy would agree to face him in the ring, 1 on 1, in an officially sanctioned MMA match. That he would match the $6000 and whoever won could donate it to their favorite charity.

What do you want to bet the guy who sucker punched him is too much of a pussy to meet him in the ring?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29671717

Oh, Faux will make it all fair and square as always, LOL!

Either way you're not going to hear the truth of why these guys are protesting.

In the meantime FOX wants set him up so overpaid junk peddlers appealing to the lowest of the low can scream in his ears nonstop.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681

So asking someone about their position on a subject is now junk pedaling.

When I saw the video–claiming that a “violent mob” destroyed the tent the Koch brothers had paid for in front of the Michigan Capitol–I knew right away it was likely a false flag. After all, Stranahan, James O’Keefe’s buddy, first posted it. Within minutes it was up at Drudge.

Just as this whole narrative was rolling out, Dick DeVos’ paid hack was calling for RICCO [sic] charges against union leaders.

All this, in spite of the fact that witnesses say the Americans for Prosperity people were trying to provoke union members to violence, and witnesses reportedly saw AFP people loosening the ropes on the tents so they would come down. And in spite of the fact the place was crawling with cops (shipped in from around the state) who didn’t do see anything amiss. (Cops are as we speak arresting people engaging in civil disobedience at the Romney Building, where the Governor’s office is.)

Sadly, many of MI’s local journalists don’t know enough to distrust anything a Breitbart affiliate says and have repeated the violence narrative, based on such discredited sources.

It appears the KochBots just staged a false flag.

I assume, given that the cops say the tent was no big deal and no arrests have been made, Crowder did not share his accusations of assault with any of the hundreds of cops standing right near by.

And here is a witness talking about how he saw AFP activists loosening up the ropes and taking down their own tent...the stakes were taken up from the inside!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29632102

How much did Soros pay you to say those lies?

Quoting: AlcoholicRunner

The Koch Brothers had a TENT set-up at the STATEHOUSE' front yard! Hmm I wonder why that was? And why was Fox & Friends going in and out of it? These two bastards want to lower EVERYONES wages in North America. Their refineries and chemical companies (given to them by their father) have made their combined wealth #1 on the planet. Why would they have a tent with refreshments sitting at the Statehouse' front steps? Because this is THE law they've wanted for YEARS! They don't give a shit about you or even the polititions they buy or workers as a whole. These two are not Capitalist they're Fascist. They mix their business interest with politics and throw-in a dash of religion. Thats the very definition of a Fascist (look it up). They don't just believe in Fascism, they PRACTICE Fascism in The United States of America. Effecting whole STATES of workers.

Orwell is rolling over in his grave...

Quoting: brent pops

Wages for workers in the U.S. are way down and are going down further. Nobody on these boards will profit from lower wages for workers (corps don't pass the savings on either). Tax payers subsidize Walmart Inc.. They don't pay workers what they should pay them. So, Walmart workers have to go on food stamps to feed their families. They have to go to emergency rooms for health care for. Why should I subsidize fucking Walmart Inc. so they can squeeze out another nickle? Fuck Walmart and these punk ass Koch Brothers.

Im blessed to have more than enough. Some of these poor WORKING families are just trying to keep the lights on! Find some compassion for those that aren't as blessed as you are. There's a war on the middle-class right now. They're loosing the fight and sliping into the class of the impoverished.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the lights went out around the world for about 6 months. The poor would still be poor but so would everyone else including the 1%. Our money is all digitized in markets and banks. Maybe the Koch Brothers could get someone to plant them a garden, on the rooftop of their apartment building in NYC ha.

"Putting your hand into a river, you simultaneously touch the last of what is passing and the first of what is coming."Leonardo Da Vinci

At 5:53 something happens off camera and when it swings back Crowder is standing over the man with his fists up in the defensive. Crowder admitted he was a cage fighter, he dropped this guy in less than 3 seconds off camera. With this I HIGHLY doubt he got sucker punched, he clearly did something to the man.

Also if you know anything about Stephen Crowder before this incident, you would know he is a shameless opportunistic attention whore. So it wouldn't surprise me if this was staged or he started it.

I own a machine shop, I hired a guy from Michigan who had worked in the Auto Industry as a supervisor or so his resume said. After 10 minutes in my shop in front of a Haas VF20 (that's a vertical cnc mill for all you union fuckups that lie), dude was a deer in the headlights. He came up to me and said it would take him six months to learn how to run it. WTF I said, your resume says you can run and program these machines, no he said, I supervised the guys who did. So I asked him how the hell he did that if you couldn't even turn one on. He shrugged his shoulders.

Enjoy 5 year olds not getting their fingers chopped off in some industrial accident?

Thank a union.

And if you don't...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27644686

what the heck are talking about? 5 year olds? when was the last time you saw a five year old at work in this country?

oh wait, thanks to the fucking unions kids as young as five are working in factories overseas where there are NO standards or unions either, for that matter.

this is not the 1800, 1900s you moron. the only thing the union does is launder money to the demoshit party.

Quoting: davvi

that is exactly what i tried to point out to this mental midget.....

Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~

Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~

Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~

Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~

“When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.”

Enjoy 5 year olds not getting their fingers chopped off in some industrial accident?

Thank a union.

And if you don't...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27644686

Lame example...

Very lame....

Liberalism sure is a mental disease...

Quoting: AlcoholicRunner

mental disease for a mental midget...AC686

what a fucking IDIOT...

Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~

Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~

Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~

Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~

“When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.”

Wages for workers in the U.S. are way down and are going down further. Nobody on these boards will profit from lower wages for workers (corps don't pass the savings on either). Tax payers subsidize Walmart Inc.. They don't pay workers what they should pay them. So, Walmart workers have to go on food stamps to feed their families. They have to go to emergency rooms for health care for. Why should I subsidize fucking Walmart Inc. so they can squeeze out another nickle? Fuck Walmart and these punk ass Koch Brothers.

Im blessed to have more than enough. Some of these poor WORKING families are just trying to keep the lights on! Find some compassion for those that aren't as blessed as you are. There's a war on the middle-class right now. They're loosing the fight and sliping into the class of the impoverished.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the lights went out around the world for about 6 months. The poor would still be poor but so would everyone else including the 1%. Our money is all digitized in markets and banks. Maybe the Koch Brothers could get someone to plant them a garden, on the rooftop of their apartment building in NYC ha.

Quoting: AlcoholicRunner

What some rich guy makes has absolutely nothing to do with your life (or anyone elses, for that matter.)

On Walmart (not particularly a fan, but consider this position) they offer goods at a very good price point allowing those of modest means to have more stuff. If the employees don't like the pay, go elsewhere. They do have a very good reputation of advancement from within and, over a few years of hard work at that low pay, one can become a store manager (without an advanced education) and make well over $100K a year. Not a bad deal.

I just don't understand what unions do -now- in modern times with labors laws in place and such.

Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional.

Do or do not. There is no try.

"The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu

I own a machine shop, I hired a guy from Michigan who had worked in the Auto Industry as a supervisor or so his resume said. After 10 minutes in my shop in front of a Haas VF20 (that's a vertical cnc mill for all you union fuckups that lie), dude was a deer in the headlights. He came up to me and said it would take him six months to learn how to run it. WTF I said, your resume says you can run and program these machines, no he said, I supervised the guys who did. So I asked him how the hell he did that if you couldn't even turn one on. He shrugged his shoulders.

Your fired, in my right to work state.Bitch

Quoting: MultiStrada

Hope you got a qualifed individual now.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1469248

Are you a machinist?Looking?

Quoting: MultiStrada

The guy told you, "it would take him six months to learn how to run it." lol It was his way of exiting the building ASAP.

"Putting your hand into a river, you simultaneously touch the last of what is passing and the first of what is coming."Leonardo Da Vinci

Wages for workers in the U.S. are way down and are going down further. Nobody on these boards will profit from lower wages for workers (corps don't pass the savings on either). Tax payers subsidize Walmart Inc.. They don't pay workers what they should pay them. So, Walmart workers have to go on food stamps to feed their families. They have to go to emergency rooms for health care for. Why should I subsidize fucking Walmart Inc. so they can squeeze out another nickle? Fuck Walmart and these punk ass Koch Brothers.

Im blessed to have more than enough. Some of these poor WORKING families are just trying to keep the lights on! Find some compassion for those that aren't as blessed as you are. There's a war on the middle-class right now. They're loosing the fight and sliping into the class of the impoverished.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the lights went out around the world for about 6 months. The poor would still be poor but so would everyone else including the 1%. Our money is all digitized in markets and banks. Maybe the Koch Brothers could get someone to plant them a garden, on the rooftop of their apartment building in NYC ha.

Quoting: AlcoholicRunner

What some rich guy makes has absolutely nothing to do with your life (or anyone elses, for that matter.)

On Walmart (not particularly a fan, but consider this position) they offer goods at a very good price point allowing those of modest means to have more stuff. If the employees don't like the pay, go elsewhere. They do have a very good reputation of advancement from within and, over a few years of hard work at that low pay, one can become a store manager (without an advanced education) and make well over $100K a year. Not a bad deal.

I just don't understand what unions do -now- in modern times with labors laws in place and such.

Quoting: brent pops

Ah the old "if they don't like the pay they can go elsewhere." AND Do you think Im talking about the Store Managers wages here? By the way, the regular workers HAVE to shop at Walmart. Henry Ford paid his workers enough for them to be able to afford to buy his cars. Walmart pays their workers so little, they HAVE to buy everything at Walmart.

So you "just don't understand what unions do -now- in modern times with labors laws in place and such."

On an elementary level, they're able to come together and negotiate better wages, time off, health care etc..

Labor Laws had to be put into place in the u.s. because children were being employed in large numbers, workers burned to death in unsafe buildings in NYC and wages were too low to survive on.

"Putting your hand into a river, you simultaneously touch the last of what is passing and the first of what is coming."Leonardo Da Vinci

I am sadly admitting that I am originally from Michigan. And I have never seen so many Union Communist Retard Thugs in my life. Those people have the intelligence of a nat that eats off the balls of an old crusty dog. Seriously stupid.... they are wicked in their hearts for sure... what are they fighting for... more poverty... more government handouts... more Obama lies... do they think that Obama gives a shit about them at all? I do not even have the vocabulary to express how dimwitted, moronic, absolutely brain damaged these assholes have to be; however, the video demonstrates it quite well. Not staged... just pure idiocracy in the making.

Unions can suck my asshole... and since they like to make sure everyone gets a fair share of the work like a communist... they can all take turns sucking my asshole. Call it a union job.... like the union people.... notice I don't call them union men...why? 'Cause men know how to stand up for themselves... they don't need to hide behind an organization. Loud mouthed pussies!