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Mary Sue Hubbard’s Last Will Fulfilled: Her Dog Bereft of Life, It’s Time to Sell Her House!

We have a tale that our Los Angeles readers in particular are going to find fascinating. It involves Scientology, a weird final will, an extremely long-lived pooch, and expensive real estate!

One of the many odd little stories involving Scientology has to do with a very fancy house at 2345 Chislehurst Drive in the Los Feliz neighborhood of Los Angeles. Close to Griffith Park, the finely-appointed estate, on 0.31 acres, was the place where Mary Sue Hubbard, the third and final wife of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, lived out her last days.

Mary Sue’s story is a fascinating one. Recently portrayed as Peggy Dodd by actress Amy Adams in Paul Thomas Anderson’s film The Master, Mary Sue Whipp was a fiery redhead who was a no-nonsense administrator and helped Hubbard run his worldwide empire after marrying him in 1952. They ran Scientology from England after 1959 and then from the helm of the yacht Apollo from 1966 to 1975. After that, they moved around in the US until a 1977 FBI raid ensnared Mary Sue in a subsequent criminal prosecution.

In 1980, to make sure he wasn’t pulled into the prosecution himself, Hubbard went into seclusion while Mary Sue faced the music. She was one of 11 Scientology executives who were convicted and faced prison sentences. In a hotel room in July 1981, she was told by a wired up David Miscavige and Bill Franks (with John Brousseau in a van nearby listening in) that she was being sacrificed for the good of Hubbard and Scientology.

Sentenced to five years in prison, Mary Sue served a year, from 1983 to 1984. She then returned to participating in Scientology to a certain extent. Her husband died in seclusion in 1986, and Mary Sue developed breast cancer in 1995 which became metastatic in 1998. She died on November 25, 2002. She was 71.

She had been living at 2345 Chislehurst for years. Lawrence Wright, in his book Going Clear, says she was given the house by the church after her prison stay. After Mary Sue’s death, according to public records the house was passed to her children Diana, Suzette, and Arthur in a family trust, which was administered by a man named Neville Potter.

Besides his Rowlingesque name, Potter is known for his background as a musician — he worked as a lyricist with fellow Scientologist Chick Corea back in the 1970s.

Potter was one of four people who cared for Mary Sue in her final days. And there was another resident of the house that Mary Sue wanted to make sure would be taken care of in the style she was accustomed to.

That was her white, fluffy Shih Tzu dog, named Tzu (and pronounced TEE-zoo).

In her will, Mary Sue Hubbard requested that the house remain in the family as long as Tzu was alive. Potter lived there, taking care of the dog, until it died about two months ago — nearly eleven years after Mary Sue preceded her into the great beyond.

With Mary Sue’s will fulfilled, the family is now free to sell the house, and with LA real estate on the upswing, that’s exactly what they’re doing, we’ve been told. For several weeks, preparations have been going on to put the house on the market. Housing websites are estimating the property’s worth between $2 million and $2.5 million. So that gives some indication of what the family will be looking for.

The home has 3,155 square feet, with four bedrooms and three bathrooms, as well as a nice swimming pool.

Wow, Tzu had it good.

And now you can too, for around two and a half million clams.

Bonus Fact: Over the years, on occasion some have wondered if Scientology leader David Miscavige ever used the Chislehurst House as a place to stash his wife Shelly, who has not been seen in public for the last six years. Nonsense, say our sources who know the house and its history well. For many reasons — including the house’s ownership by the Hubbard family rather than the church, and also because Shelly has been working, not simply being kept on ice — our sources assure us she has never been kept at the house. Recent activity seen at the house is about its impending sale, not about Shelly, who has been at a mountain compound these last six years (until, we hear, she may soon make an appearance). We hope this once and for all puts this silly rumor to rest.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 6, 2013 at 07:00

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She didn’t die. She discarded her body and went to Target Two, where LRH is now on the run from the Target Two IRS for tax evasion.

Hubbard’s Boil

I was just at Target myself last night.

Where’s Shelly?

I was at Target too.

FistOfXenu

Big lol on that 1.

USA MRIID

I would hope that other planets have law enforcement agents that don’t allow the abject frauds and other crimes that Scientology commits like we have here on Teegeeack which is infested with fucking Republicans.

Silly Scientist

Silly rumor put to rest? You mean just as silly as the rumor that Shelley is locked up in some mysterious mountain compound? As silly as the rumor you’re spreading that Shelley will be making an appearance at Celebrity Center soon? Mind offering us any solid proof?

And where, pray tell, have people been spreading silly rumors about Shelley living in some house in Hollywood? I always thought the only silly rumor about her was living in a magical mountain compound hard at work for L. Ron Hubbard’s magical mystery tour!

Observer

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Andrew Robertson

I’ve been thinking about Marty’s comment regarding Shelly being “as happy as a clam”.

It is known that clams only have one foot so how happy can they really be having to hop about the ocean floor?

I thought it might be – though I was also secretly hoping it was real, part of a new theme park for relatives you don’t like – ‘Lemony Snicket Land’, or some such.

Snuzey

You might want to also read the second part of Tony’s post regarding spelling of her name! Just sayin!

Silly Scientist

Oh, indeed. Shelley, Shelley, Shelley! Where art thou, O Shelley!

Snuzey

Silley Silley Silley!

Yeppir

Wow. I think you spelled your name wrong when you signed up this morning. Didn’t you mean “Silly Scientologist”? Oh, and what are you, twelve?

Silly Scientist

Now, now. Don’t you know that Scientology is a science?

Snuzey

Heh heh you forgot the {sarky brackets} keep up!

sugarplumfairy

So.. Are you a silly rocket scientist or a silly rocket scientologist?

Bury_The_Nuts

Ok, you are officially a lame troll.
k, bye…

Where’s Shelly?

Silley $cilo

shasha40

Well done Snuzey ! {Don’t you just despise ignorance and childishness?}

iHateDuplicity

The rumors about Shelly being kept under guard and doing the bidding of the Cof$ come from the anonymous guys who are writing the Scientology Celebrities and Human Rights website (scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com). One of the authors of that blog has asserted that is where Shelly is probably located, most recently saying it just a few days ago. And it is a pretty silly rumor.

Silly Scientist

You mean, as silly as living in a secret mountain compound?

iHateDuplicity

I don’t know who you are, but you sound like a troll. It’s a well documented fact that CST exists and “secret mountain compound” is as good a description of the facility as anything else. Whether Shelly Miscavige is currently there or not is anyone’s guess. That’s kind of the whole point of the numerous internet postings of “Where’s Shelly?” She has been out of the public eye since like 2007, which is weird as hell considering how much IN the public eye David Miscavige puts himself. So if you have anything constructive or factual to say on the matter, I’d certainly be interested.
It was a silly rumor that Shelly would be kept under some kind of house arrest at a house in the middle of Tujunga, because that is not consistent with Scientology Inc’s style of handling individual detractors and people within the organization who are undergoing disciplinary measures.

Missionary Kid

The house we’re discussing in this blog is not in Tujunga, but in Los Feliz, which is close to Hollywood and Griffith Park.

“Those anonymous guys” may have been honestly wrong. The other possibility is that they have a hidden agenda.

Although spreading misinformation seems a little subtle for the CofS, such a blog could be used to plant rumours with the intention they be reported up by less scrupulous media outlets. When those rumours turn out to be dead wrong, they can be used to question the credibility of all of the coverage.

For example: {The press has reported that Shelly Miscavige is being held here. Nonsense ! Look – it’s up for sale, and you can take a tour if you want… see – another example of religious bigotry!}

Then again, perhaps “those anonymous guys” are just not very good journalists. I think I will stick with Tony. We should find out when the “For Sale” signs go up, anyway.

Beefeater

There’s nothing on that blog claiming they are journalists. Considering that Ortega only wrote about the house after they blogged about Scientology staff hanging around the place, hasn’t ever acknowledged the existence of that blog, and basically writes them off as promoting “silly rumors”, AND considering all the hate & criticism dumped on them from Ortega’s fans, they really should shut their blog down.

Guess only Ortega & his anonymous sources are the only ones that are ever right about anything.

Bury_The_Nuts

Oh please,…..do not claim to speak for everyone here or promote your sweeping generalizations.
Tony has every right to be irritated by that blog and I have every right to read it and decide what is of interest if I want.
Many others are the same.
Next thing you know you will be calling us the Ortega Cult……….
(Oh wait…we are).

Let me make this more succinct…………Piss off.

USA MRIID

I nominate Tony Ortega as our new leader.

Missionary Kid

Troll alert. Gee, we’ve got two already today.

Observer

Tony hit a nerve somewhere! lol

Studious Judious

I guess they are trying to beat the Thursday rush.

sugarplumfairy

Bingo! He’s pretty good at that..

Studious Judious

I wonder if it was yesterday’s article that struck the nerve.

Observer

I wonder if the clams will ever figure out that when they show up here full of mocking denials all they’re really doing is confirming the truth of what they’re denying.

FistOfXenu

Doesn’t matter what the trolls understand. Dinky Davey’s too stupid or too insane or both to ever understand that.

Missionary Kid

Amen. Maybe all the trolls are out because they’re daring to look at entheta, which they wouldn’t do in the past. Hopefully they’ll see something that wakes them up.

Minion Gayle

I feel special. Time to put out the clam dip and get the party started.

Or get dressed and go to work.

Exterrier

I think we could call them Operating Clams. O.C.’s

Missionary Kid

That will go on a separate list. I like it.

Captain Howdy

Same person, I would guess.

FistOfXenu

A troll with multiple personalities.

{How original of him. We’ve never seen that before}

FistOfXenu

Yup. I guess Dinky Davey looked at all his options and realized he hasn’t got any. He can’t risk court cases now that we’re all aiming to get him deposed and on the witness stand. All those PI’s cost big dough and he needs to save that for Fair Gaming people like Tony and Marc and the rest of them. He can’t sic PI’s on the rest of us. He needed some thing cheap and easy to do so he could boast that he’s started his {counter attack} against the J&D entheta.

So he sent in the clowns. We’ve got 2 already.

Missionary Kid

I can’t say why, but my sense is that these trolls aren’t really that directed. I think that if they really were a part of OSA, they’d be less confrontational, and try to gather information, especially from the people who are still in, but, for personal reasons, can’t reveal themselves. I’m sure they’d like to out them.

I think that if OSA was involved, we’d have a lot more of them, and they’d be more consistent. I think that most of them are here just a few individuals who are out to upset us so they can go back and say, “see, we really got them upset over at Tony Ortega’s” to show what good $cions they are to confront. Some may even be rationalizing a reason to be here so that they can explore some of the forbidden {entheta}.

There may also be your garden variety (pun intended) trolls, who get their rocks off by just baiting people, but I think that’s the minority.

That’s just my opinion, and I reserve the right to be wrong.

FistOfXenu

You could be right MK. My own favorite theory is that they’re working off their lower conditions. We had push ups and 5 mi runs, they have “go troll Ortega’s blog”.

Studious Judious

That’s an awesome nick Beefeater. You could have at least uploaded a cool avatar.

Bury_The_Nuts

Or pour a nice G&T for everyone.

Captain Howdy

Drive by ,1-2-3 shot disposable trolls, don’t have a need for an avatar.

Once_Born

“Those anonymous guys” are doing journalism. They reported that Shelly was being held at this house. They were wrong. That makes them bad journalists.

Tony does journalism too, but he has a very good track record. That is why I am sticking with him. Of course he has anonymous sources – how else could any journalist work? The point is he checks what those sources tell him and does not jump to conclusions.

Also, there are no rules prohibiting the investigation of someone else’s claim. “Tony wrote about the house after they blogged”… so what. He got the story right, they got it wrong.

I never said I hated “Those anonymous guys”, it’s just more difficult to take someone seriously when they are… well… anonymous. That’s another point in favour of Tony. He isn’t.

The disinformation theory is looking a little more feasible

tetloj

I enjoy their blog as speculation not journalism; a bit better informed than the average punter. If it causes yet another distraction and footbulleting…..bring it on. Dissing celebs….bring it on

Once_Born

I suggest that the website run by “Those anonymous guys” might be spreading disinformation, and minutes later, Beefeater make his first post, defending them.

There’s more than one way of running a front group.

From what I recall of reading ‘that site’, their potty-mouthed writing would work well – if you wanted to bring critics into disrepute. I wonder if they will ever be used as an example of religious bigotry by the CofS and, if they were, would they have to retire {shattered} .

Of course, I may be dead wrong. Perhaps one of the writers should drop in here, and reassure us of their independence.

ze moo

This house in Los Feliz has been mentioned on Whyweprotest.net and on the clambake, sometimes this mention was years ago. All anonymous sites have credibility problems, study them and watch their track record.

Sunny Sands

Hi Silly, and welcome. It’s early, have some coffee, and relax.

Graham

Shelley died in 1822. Shelley fact: As a student he was thrown out of Oxford University for daring to publish a pamphlet “On the Necessity of Atheism”. There is now an annual Shelley lecture to commemorate this.

Ask Dylan Gill and Angry Gay Pope where this “mysterious compound is”. AGP has quite vivid pictures of the compound and the razor blades facing inwards on the fence. As for Shelly, you’re just b@@t hurt that the celebrity blog was spreading fiction and trying to pass it for reality. Do you happen to be the author of that blog by any chance? Did Tony spoil you gig with actually publishing facts about that house in Hollywood?

FistOfXenu

No he means as silly as Liar Ruin Humbug claiming he’d found the way to cure drug addiction by popping pinks and grays to get stoned and creating his visions of so called reality out of nitrous oxide induced hallucinations. Or as silly as how he claimed he was a nuclear physicist when he couldn’t even pass a basic physics course. Or as silly as all his war hero stories that are totally refuted by official Navy documents. Or as silly as Miscavige’s delusions that $cientarCONon is growing when all that’s really happening is that he’s shouting louder and louder at less and less people to try and squeeze more and more cash out of them, to hide what a complete clusterfuck his management of the cult really is.

Hope that’s CLEAR for you now.

Patty Moher

“In 1980, to make sure he wasn’t pulled into the prosecution himself, Hubbard went into seclusion while Mary Sue faced the music.”

Good Xenu, Hubbard was such a twat.

Missionary Kid

That’s elevating him too much.

Bury_The_Nuts

My twat takes exception to that remark!!!!

USA MRIID

Some twatts are just no good.

GlibWog

Oh.. I see why the Indies are just so Gah Gah over him. What a man..

USA MRIID

Hey now, it was for the Good Of Scientology, you know. After all, we’re trying to Save Mankind on this planet, and shoveling a few criminalsmartyrs in to prison to Save Mankind is acceptable losses.

“Get ‘em offa me! Get ‘em offa me!” — The cry of the truly insane. Or the profoundly drunk.

Unex Skcus

Do they count potential beings?

“A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth.”

Observer

Now you’ve given them a way to send their stats straight up and vertical. They’ll multiply every female Scilon and every woman who has taken a course or bought a book or walked in the door by 400,000.

Andrew Robertson

But where do your sources tell you that Neville’s going to live now Mr Oretigger? One hopes he’s not been cast out on the streets.

Andrew

USA MRIID

There’s always room for one more in The Hole!

Minion Gayle

I had a closet under the stairs like that once. Isn’t that typically where you put Potters?

Sunny Sands

How odd, Mary Sue’s lawyer and her dog living in her plush estate home, while the home is titled in a family trust benefitting her 3 children. An estate like that requires major upkeep expenses: high property taxes, lawn care, utilities, pool care, and those expenses occurred over an 11-year time span, and it sounds like the trust paid those expenses. I wonder where her 3 children have been living while the dog is living the life of Riley.

Hubbard’s Boil

Not a bad setup for the widow of the founder of a “religion” and her canine heir. Isn’t there something in the U.S. tax code about not personally profiting from income derived from such enterprises?

Bury_The_Nuts

Great fucking point!

Captain Howdy

It was purchased with a fraction of the millions LRH made from being an all-time best selling author, which is why he never took a dime from the church of scientology during his life.

Observer

Ooo, burn!

Interested

Yeah right! Like he had only been married twice!

Sunny Sands

Religious leaders {cough} have personal assets and may profit like any other citizen. If the church gave Hubbard the house, he should have paid taxes on it when it was transferred to him as income.

Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

Busy for a few hours so I am going to start with the snarky comments and come back later…

Do you think it bothered Shelley or Shelly that they have been overshadowed by their spouses’ accomplishments?
Do you think Reiser or Reisor wears a wig?
Do you think Mark or Marc wrote about greater social evils?

Captain Howdy

Actually. there’s a new theory out that Percy wrote “Frankenstein”, not Mary.

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

Of course there is. It’s bullshit.

FistOfXenu

Me, I figure Frankenstein wrote both “Percy” and “Mary” for marketing reasons. You know, like LRH cooking up Para$citology and NarCONon and Diarrheatics for recruiting purposes.

Couch_Incident

My bet is that after dropping his meat body, LiaRH got tired of researching the upper OT levels, and cast about looking for a new body to attach himself to. Mary Sue recognized LiaRH in her beloved Tzu: Tzu took dumps wherever he wanted, barked orders incoherently, and expected everyone else to take care of his every need. It WAS LiaRH possessing Tzu! Hence the need to hang on to the house until LiarRH/Tzu dropped this body! Where will he go now?

Big Thetans
Have little Thetans
On their backs to bite ‘em.
And little Thetans
Have tiny Thetans
And so on, ad infinitum.

lisacarolfremont

Nice limerick!

I hiked in the Angeles Forest last month with my dog and luckily experienced no plague-infested fleas but did see a lot of ground squirrels … and beautiful yellow lemon lilies. I used a lot of deet …

The real estate market is doing better here. Maybe a celebrity will buy the house?

Mark

The big Thetans
Themselves, in turn
Have bigger Thetans to go on;
While these again
Have bigger still,
And bigger still, and so on.

Robert Eckert

and so, and so forth.

Mark

It’s supposed to be based on a part of a satire by Swift:

The vermin only teaze and pinch
Their foes superior by an inch.
So, naturalists observe, a flea
Has smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bite ‘em,
And so proceed ad infinitum.

Robert Eckert

Yes, I’d heard that one. My riff was that LRH would spoil your rhyme by continuing to bloviate.

Mark

Well, Hubbard was a bloodsucker.

William Blake had unnerving foresight about human parasites when he sketched ‘The Head of the Ghost of a Flea’ (those lips remind you of anyone?):

Marie Claire Wolf

Ah! Blake, I happen to have an ultra rare (only 100 cpies ever printed, disbound) copy of the book which this plate is extracted from; there is also a second image of the ghost of the flea with mouth opened. Congratulations on your cultural acumen!

Mark

Thank-you, Marie. But please be very careful of mentioning Blake first editions in public, lest ravening hordes of librarians and bibliophiles batter your front door down! (Just after I’d typed in “bloodsucker” above something started ringing bells in the back of my brain – thank goodness for Google image searches).

Marie Claire Wolf

De nada compadre!

Observer

That image reminds me very much of this one.

Mark

Yes! Prehensile, slobbery lips!

Marie Claire Wolf

And you have not seen the ghost of the flea with mouth opened: uncanny!

cicely neville

I’d give an up arrow but this is just too awful.
Can you shoop lrh as a flea? On second thought no – we’d all be sick -

InTheNameOfXenu

To borrow a line from Arnold in Predator to describe Hubbard,
“You’re one uuugly motherfucka’!”

Observer

And yet a ridiculous number of women threw themselves at him. Ugh

InTheNameOfXenu

Must have been the affirmations. But he was an accomplished hypnotist.

Missionary Kid

Hey, I think it’s ridiculous the women who throw themselves at Mick Jagger. It’s a function of money, power, and celebrity. Of course, I’m a guy. Don’t get me wrong, I love his music. I just think he’s uuuugly. At least he doesn’t have cysts and bad teeth.

Observer

It’s not just you. I find him repulsive as well. Steven Tyler, too. Joe Perry, on the other hand …

Missionary Kid

I have a friend who’s probably close to her 60s who said, “I’d do him,” when we were talking about the Stones. I didn’t say anything, even though I thought, “Yuck.” It’s obvious she still carries the image of him when he was half-way cute when he first became popular, and she was a very young teenybopper.

Over 20 years ago, I spent about 30 minutes talking to Jane Russel. We didn’t talk about movies. She really was before my time. To me, she was just this nice old lady. To men that are older than I, they get excited when I mention it. They still carry the picture of her in their minds that they had when they were young and she was a young woman.

I’m willing to bet that you’re of a younger generation than I, (I’m 68), so you were imprinted with Mick’s image as an old guy.

It’s all a matter of when we were imprinted with someone’s image, IMHO.

Observer

I’m rapidly closing in on my mid-50s, so I remember Mick in his 30s (and I don’t find his younger pics attractive either). He never appealed to me.

Robert Eckert

I was imprinted with the young Mick also. I would not say that he was even “half-way” cute at any time. De gustibus non est disputandum

Of course, when it comes to LRH, disgustibus non est disputibilis

Missionary Kid

There is a difference, though. You were not a young female teenybopper. Us males looked at him quite differently, and never wanted to look like him.

In the late 50s, I have no recollection of LRH, even though I attended a Dianetics seminar. I was a very young teenager, and I don’t think I’d of been impressed. He was about the age of many of the preachers that I met through my family. Instead of selling Jesus, he was selling Dianutty.

Observer

Trust me, I was never a teenybopper. lol

Edit: unless you count wanting to bop teenies.

Robert Eckert

Use slash / rather than backslash in the close-HTML angle-brackets.

Observer

Thanks, but I had fixed it immediately. Now if only Disqus didn’t require quite so much refreshing …

N. Graham

I’m not convinced he’s a great vocalist either.

Missionary Kid

His vocals, in terms of singing ability aren’t great, but his phrasings are appropriate for the style of music that the Stones play. They are unique, and they’ve shaped a lot of Rock and Roll.

I give him a lot of respect because he also respects the blues and rock artists that preceded him, and has often given them their due, which has not always been the case with other musicians. He seems to have often shared the limelight with them, even though they are obscure to many younger Rock fans.

On the other hand, I’ve heard Satisfaction so many times that I can tolerate it about once or twice a year.

N. Graham

True, he does respect the blues artists especially. And the Stones did do a lot to popularize American Blues. Also Chuck Berry for rock.
Unlike Led Zep, who ripped them all off left and right.

the flea was the spirit of a bloodsucking man according to the Tate site

lisacarolfremont

hear hear!

Observer

Maybe the cult will buy it and turn it into a NarCONon.

sugarplumfairy

Yah..we’re gonna need more registrars..

Robert Eckert

The Black Plague resulted from a remarkable chain of parasitism. The rat of course lives by snatching leftover food from humans. The rat flea Xenopus cheopsi lives by sucking blood from rats; it specifically prefers Rattus rattus the “black rat” even over Rattus norvegicus the brown or northern rat, but will bite any mammal if its favored species is not available. The plague bacillus Yersinia pestis is parasitic on the rat flea in turn, living in the mouth to absorb some of the blood, and not reproducing unless it detects the blood-thinner which the flea makes in its mouth glands to inject into the rat when it bites and keep the blood flowing longer; this shutoff switch prevents the bacillus from reproducing wildly in the blood-stream of the rat, which will kill the rat and lessen the chance that the bacillus will get into another flea. Unfortunately there is a virus, Lambda bacteriophage, which is parasitic on the bacillus, taking over its reproductive system, and as a side-effect it interferes with the shutoff switch. So the bacillus starts killing the rats, and the rat fleas start jumping on to humans, killing them.

GlibWog

Robert.. Ugh.. Very informative, but Ratty Tatty.. Grosse

http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

Here in CA they detected it in a dead squirrel, so they shut down part of the Angeles National forest while F&G decides if it’s safe, this is from a couple of weeks ago:

“It is important for the public to know that there have only been
four cases of human plague in Los Angeles County residents since 1984,
none of which were fatal,” he said.

The ground squirrel population in the San Gabriel Mountains has been
known to have the plague, and officials said squirrel burrows in the
affected area will be dusted for fleas.

Officials also advised those visiting areas nearby the Broken Blade,
Twisted Arrow and Pima Loops to take precautions, such as not feeding
wild animals and preventing pets from getting fleas.

“Protection with an insect repellent containing DEET is also
recommended for persons visiting the Angeles National Forest and
engaging in outside recreational activities in other areas of L.A.
County,” Fielding said, adding that products containing DEET are not
safe for pets.

Why do Scilons have this shaggy look to them? Is it a Co$ rule that once you make OT you let go of personal grooming? Puzzling…
Wait a minute, I just thought of a very good reason: YOU HAVE NO TIME TO YOURSELF, never mind grooming.

cicely neville

How can these supposedly mature people not notice how silly they look?

Marie Claire Wolf

I know. One would think that as a representative of the so-called ‘most ethical’ and supposedly ‘enlightened’ {religion} they would make themselves as attractive as possible whenever out and about the free world. After all mormons and Jehovah’s witless who solicit you at home, usually very early on Saturdays, are dressed in their Sunday best always.

InTheNameOfXenu

Pathetic brain-washed cultists. Get a life.

USA MRIID

Bubonic infected rodents are collected every year in the San Gabriel Mountains, it is nothing new (I work in the arena; we get carcasses that test positive for the antibodies every week, collected at campgrounds and hiking trails in the Angeles National Forest, Mount Baldy, even Magic Mountain.) It’s only blown up in to hysteria when the assholes at Fox “News” try to pretend it’s some how Obama’s fault.

Robert Eckert

Without the phage in them, the bacillus does not multiply as rapidly as it can in the bloodstream and the plague progresses fairly slowly; still can be deadly in countries with few modern medical facilities but not nearly as virulent as the Black Death.

http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

Yeah, the main thing with the BP is that you have to start treatment ASAP with an antibiotic like Ciprio(sp?) to knock it out before the bacteria get established in the lymph nodes or blood.

Here in the San Joaquin Valley, we have a problem with Valley Fever, a fungal infection that can infect the lungs or other parts of the body, and which can only be treated by medications that have a lot of side-effect to them. Sometimes a dry area will be so spore-laden that it’s declared off-limits to the public, like at Sharks’ Tooth Hill near Bakerfield was for a while in the 1960s. Not quite as lethal as the BP, but pretty bad in terms of sub-lethal symptoms.

Missionary Kid

Off topic. World’s shortest poem, titled Fleas.
Adam
Had’em

Marie Claire Wolf

In a cockroach.

USA MRIID

“…barked orders incoherently…”

Well now all of Hubbard’s many Body Thetans have been set free once again to infect other hapless dimwits.

Marie Claire Wolf

Who in turn push their ‘vehicule’ towards a Co$ org. completing the task.

shasha40

Wow, Tzu was living better than SO members and probably ate better too ! I hope they don’t put Mr. Potter out on the street. There must have been alot of money stashed when lrh died to maintain living there ’cause I know Tiny d*ck doesn’t have a decent bone in his body. It still upsets me that they live a life of Luxury while the dedicated good people of the SO don’t get treated as well as a dog . The irony of it all.

Exterrier

good point. You could have stacked at least nine sea orgers to room, and four in the pool house and a few more on the floor in the garage. That is at least forty berthed in the dwelling, and you would still have more bathroom facilities to share that the ones at the complex and the disgusting buildings on Wilcox and elsewhere. Imagine triple berthed bunk beds, ick.
Those sea org quarters are like vampire nests, or slave berthing on the old transport ships from Africa. And the food, and the schedule. Ick again.
And little Tzu had a whole house to herhimself.
It is not a minor point you make.

I suggest a new game…… by the way….. How many Sea Orgers can you fit………?

FistOfXenu

That could be a good addition to “how many Sea Orgers* does it take to …….?” Like-

Q: how many Sea Orgers does it take to fill a 2 room SO apartment?
A: how many you got?

USA MRIID

It’s the way of every organized crime syndicate that manages to survive long enough to allow some of their ringleaders to live long enough to enjoy their fraud-gathered wealth. Scientology is not one of the more traditional organized crime syndicates out there, but it harbors damn near every aspect of traditional organized crime, including the obscene wealth and seclusion and the abject insanity of its older crime bosses.

Simon

I love the irony that Nancy Cartwright voiced Bart in an episode of The Simpsons in which the family got brainwashed by the Movementarians and she clearly didn’t get that they were a parody of the Sciloons. And when she’s making so much money that she can squander $10m in a donation to them, the COS won’t want her to leave the show any time soon. There’s plenty more non-awards to give in return for obscenely large sums of money.

USA MRIID

Nobody ever accused Scientology customers of having the capability of critical cognitive capabilities. Hate to say it because most people are sane, rational, thinking people except when it comes to the most obvious frauds.

Aslansown

I don’t remember…was she (Bart) in the Tom Cruise/Scientology episode?

Truthiwant

And out of respect for his holiness, COB Mr. Miscavige, his name is NOT written:

Proclaiming you the honorary mayor of the Bunker Short Fest today, MK! Here all day, following it all. These are so funny.
PS Can we add The Flying Monkey to the list, courtesy of Observer’s shoop artistry?

Missionary Kid

I’m not ready or able to do images yet. Maybe after I’ve gotten all of the word lists done.

aquaclara

No images, just the words! we can all picture the flying monkey. Believe me, I wouldn’t even think of adding a techy element to your fab list. Why complicate things when we don’t need to?!

Missionary Kid

O.K. I’ll add it to the list. Good idea.

Missionary Kid

I thought I’d posted this already, but not right now. My specialty is going to be words. Maybe later…

In a couple of days, I’ll set up one for LRH. There aren’t as many of them, and maybe I’ll include bon mots about him and $cientology. As it stands, there’s only a few short of 100. I didn’t include all of the nicknames because some were, IMHO, a little too obscure or generic, although they work well for general insults.

Shelley’s spouse was almost as scary as Shelly’s spouse. Almost. But not quite.

Studious Judious

Shelley’s spouse wrote about Shelly’s spouse.

aquaclara

Must’ve been an OT.

sugarplumfairy

My 5th grade teacher was Sr. Mary Pedantic.. Her big bugaboo was there, their and they’re..

Missionary Kid

There’s something to it there if they’re used correctly.

Bury_The_Nuts

RuhRoh, demerits forthcoming…

Minion Gayle

Are we all going to be on latrine duty with just our toothbrushes?

Bury_The_Nuts

Not me! I screw up a lot of stuff, but these three I got down!
I hate demerits. They bring out my competitive nature and I turn into SPF and wanna smack somebody.

Minion Gayle

They bring out my competitive spirit, too, just in the wrong way. They always make me want to earn more.

stateofcircle

Tony ‘s being a show off today. And a smart ass.
Loves it.

Sunny Sands

I never thought Shelly was at Mary Sue’s house because DM would never treat his wife so nice.

Bury_The_Nuts

Why would they move her at all? Why wouldn’t they just keep her right where she is (even if to fatten her up and trot her out into the showring)?

Yeppir

Ok. Some mnemonics.

1. Shelley. The “E” is missing.

2. Rieser. Spelled like LIEser.

3. Marc puts the ARC in, well, Marc.

Bury_The_Nuts

Bravo! Golf clap for you.

Marie Claire Wolf

Do I stand corrected! I promise to uphold the spelling, thank you Sir.

Where’s Shelly?

Right on!

Jgg2012

Hubbard invented the dictionary. Why didn’t he include these names?

BosonStark

I guess that Neville Potter was married to Leslie Potter, who were both Sea Org members who lived with Mary Sue, along with Ginny Hoff? I’m getting this from old posts by Chuck Beatty, who seems to be an expert on this.

So what happened to Leslie Potter?

If DM is interested, I’d stay in prison for a year taking the rap for him, if he gave me a house like that as long as it wasn’t a prison where the guys…oh, never mind.

Minion Gayle

Neville was married to Ginny? My God, it’d getting more Rowlingesque by the second.

Racnad

I’ve wondered where that house was, and there it is, almost around the corner from where Apple School was – or more importantly, a few blocks from the LA Complex, where the Miscavage minions could easily keep an eye on her.

Bury_The_Nuts

Nice digs, too.

Bella Legosi

I miss your Suri AVi……..Suri’s cry face/tantrum face are priceless! As one who’s nick name is Brat, I feel for the little girl! It’s going to be tough when she gets old enough to read about her father and his “religion”

Bella Legosi

Really? I hope that was a fat finger mistake………….

Bury_The_Nuts

Suri Av? I didn’t have one of those.
Mine are usually toxic blonds (but I had to give Katie a go).

i-Betty

Without a doubt. I read and re-read your comment when I saw the down arrow, wondering what I could be missing. Nothing, is the answer. Deffo someone’s fat finger

I wonder how well a “Tour of $cientology and the Stars” would do in LA?? Incorporate some history with pop culture trivia. A bus full of Entheata! That would rock!

“And on my left is the former residence of Mary Sue Hubbard, who assisted L Ron in evading investigators during the 70’s and who went to prison her her part in “Operation Snow White”. Among her humanitarian efforts she left the property to her dog.”

i-Betty

Sign me up!

Studious Judious

I like the idea of this map.

RMycroft

Yeah, I let it sit for years because Google Maps had some limitations on user maps. I think they fixed that a while ago, so I should re-read the docs and jam in a whole lot more push-pins.

ThetaBara

This is great! Will have to do some sightseeing next time I’m in LA.

i-Betty

Superb!

AnonymousSP

Ha! I’ve done my three word clears and am now off for another banger day of cult stoppage.

Missionary Kid

Metamucil or Citrucel can help with that.

BananaSplits8

On one of the reasons why Miscavige couldn’t hide his wife at Chislehurst house: “…including the house’s ownership by the Hubbard family rather than the church…”.

Proof of that is the dog’s longevity.

Bury_The_Nuts

Neville Potter probably had that dog on life support for the last five years just so he could keep living in that house.
Gotta be better than whatever his next gig is with these clowns.

1subgenius

He should have replaced it with a new one.

Bury_The_Nuts

LOL, that is what I would have done!

FLUNK_101

Recently portrayed as Peggy Dodd by actress Amy Adams in Paul Thomas Anderson’s film The Master, Mary Sue Whipp was a fiery redhead who was a no-nonsense administrator

Bury_The_Nuts

Hey, now that is administrating!

Bella Legosi

hehe I thought it was more delegation, but hey splitting hairs!

FLUNK_101

She was known for her involvement in hands-on operations.

Mark

Touch assists.

Bury_The_Nuts

I wonder if she was a micro manager?

FLUNK_101

LOL!!!

music8r

Indeed, taking things into her own hands!

Bella Legosi

*shakes head*
ewwwwww……..Flunk!!!!!

It’s too early for me to feel dirty and uncomfortable!

Mark

Last known picture of Tzu?

Interested

I know that this has nothing to do with this subject, but if you have never watched the cults song “we stand tall” then it is worth the couple of minutes. Firstly, I have to admit it is catchy. But then you watch the video and shriek with laughter. The gun salute! The people looking oh sooooo happy! The fact that LRH’ s teeth are perfect!? That jr has been erased from the one lecture.!. Our little dwarf singing his heart out… Bless his little socks. Mike behind him, Marty to his right. Love the jumper. Note everyones eyes are blank.! Oh I could go on but don’t want to spoil the fun.
Re the above article… Who said it was a dogs life. My goodness how old was the dog? 12 years after Mary’sdeath…..

Observer

Small dogs live a lot longer than big ones. We have a dachshund who is within three months of his 18th birthday.

Interested

Fantastic. Before this one I had a Bernese she lived to 14 yrs 2weeks, which was exceptional as their life span is normally 8 years. But great stuff and many more years for you.

Captain Howdy

That’s amazing for a Bernese Mountain Dog. They are so beautiful.

Interested

She was amazing. She loved chocolate and as a pup would push a chair into the pantry to climb up and steal. Of course chocolate is really bad for dogs so she was never allowed any. On her last day we sat in the park eating kit kat chocolate. As my kid said he knew her longer than he knew his dad. I miss her still. But now I have my monster…

MissCandle

Here’s to a looooong life for your loooooong dog. : )
(My oldest dachshund is almost 14.)

Bella Legosi

My sister’s dog Coco was 26 when he died. He was a wiener too! My little brother’s grandmother owned a calico cat that reached the age of 28 (it has since died, but the poor thing was older then me when it did kick the bucket)

Robert Eckert

I took care of a friend’s Yorkie in his last months. He was over 20, had lived in New Orleans, Paris, and the Yukon before finishing out his life in the Santa Cruz area. Still miss you, Mr. B!

i-Betty

Aww They are known as sausage dogs in England. I saw a 12 week old dachshund in town just today. The poor owner couldn’t get more than 5 feet without someone new asking if they could cuddle it. I felt broody!

Vistaril

Classic video . . .

Bella Legosi

Nice back-tat/target………who knew Tom or John were available for parties!

See this is what happens to your career when you join a creepy cult that is proud to have the likes of Jenna Elfman and Kirstie Alley!

>P

CharlieWaters

I wonder how “straight up and vertical” Slappy is in this picture.

lightblb62

OMG.. that’s Greg Wilhere there in the middle in the blue shirt. HIs wife Sandy died not too long ago.. well I’ll be…..

Interested

Bugger… Can’t stop laughing. Perfect shot mouth open. I really need to get a life.

Spackle Motion

There is an interesting back story to this video – allegedly Miscavige ordered everyone to wear bland sweaters, shirts, or blouses that were a solid color. He wanted to be the only one to stand out by wearing his god-awful Hermes shirt. Ray Mithoff (I think) forgot about this order and wore a sweater with a pattern. I believe he got into a heap of trouble over that.

The kids at Anonymous made a dongcopter version of his shirt that is priceless. I’ve always thought that Hermes was an over-priced Ed Hardy; tacky prints that only work in scarves.

Bury_The_Nuts

“Hermes was an over-priced Ed Hardy”

HA! Validation. Love it!

Interested

This is why I love being on this site. You guys are so damn knowledgable. Thanks for the insider info.

Spackle Motion

All of the time I spend on this topic has to pay off somewhere, right?

Leave it to the most eithical people on the planet to will a dog a mansion!!!! lol wow at least the wife of McDonald’s gave her billions to charity!

Nice “Learn It” btw Tony.

Did that make you smile Marc? You gots a legend proceeding you!

Bella Legosi

{I wonder how many “sec checks” were done on that dog!!!!}

Is there anything in Co$ or Indie $cientology that does involve animals?? I haven’t come across any reincarnation type thing involving them like I do when I read about Hindi’s.

Sometimes, with certain dogs and cats, I dub them “demoted humans”. Reason being there is something about their personality that tells me at one point they used to be human, but due to being or doing whatever in their human life they were cursed to “do over” as a pet! lol It’s a weird thought, but I do have my fans who like that way of thinking. My mom thinks I am spot on with the “demoted human” idea.

WhereIsSHE

Ummmm… on behalf of my Doberman and my Blue Heeler, I beg to differ!
Unless you your clay model of “demoted” looks like my version of “pampered” or “spoiled rotten”!
And also on their behalf, “Who you callin’ a ‘degraded’ being, MuthaFuckah???!”

But seriously…
Dogs are just dogs, and it’s over when you die.
Believing in reincarnation –and especially punitive reincarnation– lands people in real life CULTS, wasting their LIVES, chasing perfection and eternity, neither of which they will ever find.

Someone should start a religion that believes in the TRUTH for a change.
The Church of IT’S OVER WHEN YOU DIE, BITCHES.

Bury_The_Nuts

I started that church already when you were on hiatus.

It is “BuryalltheNutsology”
Wanna sign up for a course?

WhereIsSHE

I’ve been a loyal follower of yours for a long, long time, BTN;)

Bury_The_Nuts

It sounds like you are trying to get a discount on the course fee?

OK, flattery will get you everywhere….Just buy a book or seven at $500 a pop. Leather bound of course, and then we will get you on the descending staircase to future.

(I prefer staircases to bridges, because if you get tired you can set on the steps and rest instead of worrying about getting run over by a Mack truck).

WhereIsSHE

OK, but can I get a discount on those prices if I sign a legally unenforceable and completely onerous contract in your favor, requiring me to be a slave, living in filthy, crowded, bug-infested housing, subsisting on a diet of rice and beans, for little or no pay, who has to pay YOU if I ever decide that being a slave is a PATHETIC WASTE OF MY ONE AND ONLY LIFE?

WhereIsSHE

And will you promise to make me suffer in some barbed-wire-fenced-in-desert-compound for months or years, doing hard labor and eating slop (IF i am lucky enough) before I can try to officially leave your flock (which will only have the goal of re-signing me to a lifetime of slavery)??

Bury_The_Nuts

NO CAN DO!!! My cult comes with Strawberry caek and ice cream and we all get to live in a Frank Lloyd Wright compound and sit around in Eames chairs and watch the grass grow with ultra high speed internet (and also take lots of naps).
And there will be a cat. But she does not stand on formality and gets embarrassed you even stand at attention in her presence.

WhereIsSHE

Sounds a lot like my current life, FLW (inspired) compound included, minus the caek and ice cream (we prefer big bowls of delicious organic fruit–and organic teas– and top shelf liquor) and minus the cat. (We had 4 cats, but they now dead– or living the life of “degraded” human beings, in the lap of luxury elsewhere, no doubt!)
No use for leather-bound tomes (or any other non-vegan-bound-anything), but will happily pay dues to join your cult (if you throw in some good cocktails with slices of fresh fruit from your compound’s citrus trees!)

lol There is no shortage of churchs that say they deal in “truth”. As for my theory on “demoted human”, it is just my own little pot inspired theory. I am one of those crazy cat ladies who can’t believe something so sweet as dogs, cats, mice or birds, don’t have souls!

WhereIsSHE

Oh.. Well, cats, mice and birds have souls. I mean, everyone knows that!
I was just speaking on behalf of my soulless dogs.
{{{j/k}}}

Bella Legosi

lol

Captain Howdy

I’ve been working on my “The Church of the Final Monkey” for awhile now.

ALL are invited…

Interested

Me I’ve started my cult called Woofology. It has a sister company Cattology. Want to join? Just send me a blank cheque. I’ll fill it out for you. :-))

Missionary Kid

I’ll stay a Pastafarian, thank you.

Papa Xenu

Dogs must have some serious status in the church. Tzu gets to live in a 2.5 million dollar mansion in California while Sea Org peons (pronounced Pee-ons, get it “pee ons”) are crammed into small roach ridden rooms with a dozen others. Then you have Miscavige’s dog who gets a tailored uniformed, a high rank (requiring a salute of respect) & has the authority to send any Sea Org member to the RPF with a simple growl in their general direction. I just hope Davy Boy treats his dog better than his wife.

Vistaril

L Ron Hubbard started that nonsense with the dogs . . .

Bella Legosi

You know it is with pets like this that I wish to Uncle Cosmo that I could cast some sort of Eskimo spell to allow dogs or cats to talk OR have the ability to hear their thoughts! Imagine the stories a dog like Hub’s, Sue’s, or DM’s would have!

Is there Dr.Doolittle Powerz in the OT material?

And where the hell is OTVIIIisgrrr8t?????? I get their blog emailed to me, but haven’t seen them on in awhile (I say “them”/”they” because I know not their sex)

N. Graham

LRon had “Goldie” also, another family dog.

Bella Legosi

Who here was surprised that Little Boots and his professional stalking organization hadn’t poisoned this dog???? lol I mean that is what came to mind when I read the article! Just wondering if it was articulated already!

Gerard Plourde

There would have been no point to doing that. The RTC and cult aren’t direct beneficiaries of the estate.

Bella Legosi

True. Although I wouldn’t put it past some in RTC to just poison a SP dog on principle or use it to speed up the will process. I just read the comment above about the kids posibly using the money to blow; which is slim to none chance. At the very least when this property does get sold, you know RTC or some connected entity is going to get their pound of flesh! I also wouldn’t put it past Co$ to utilize some form of “interest” too!

Watergate

The sale of this property could give Diana Hubbard a financial toehold if she were to leave the cult. The sale proceeds will be split between Diana, Suzette and Arthur. (S. and A. are long gone.)

I don’t have any personal knowledge of this, but blown Scientology execs have written that long-time MSH factotum Neville Potter spied on MSH for Miscavige. I expect he was required to do so. Today, if Potter were to blow and talk openly and honestly, he would have much to share that would interest us all.

Studious Judious

Where are Suzette and Arthur? Or Diana for that matter.

TonyOrtega

Suzette and Arthur live in LA and are not involved in the church. Diana is still in the Sea Org and lives and works at Int Base near Hemet. But she can come and go as she pleases, and visits the Chislehurst home on occasion.

Michael Leonard Tilse

Is Arthur still painting with his blood? Or was that an urban myth?

TonyOrtega

There might just be a story about that in the offing. Patience, please.

Michael Leonard Tilse

Ohhh Goodie!

Bury_The_Nuts

Whoo hooo.
I had forgotten all about that weirdness!

Bella Legosi

What happened with the next Ortega/Atack vs LRH book installment???? I have been anxiously awaiting it! Blogging Dianetics was too much fun!

Don’t make me find a copy and read that crap myself Tony!!!!

Robert Eckert

PZ Myers will give his real-scientist take on History of Man this Thursday. Atack like Claire Headley is usually once a week unless pre-empted by incoming bombshells.

Bella Legosi

Thank you! I have been away a lot recently, but have been checking in from my phone in the mornings. I usually have time just to read the post!

Can’t wait!

Orglodyte

Can’t wait! History of Man is the only Scientology book that survived my joyous all-day book destroying binge. Ron the Crackpot at his very best.

Michael Leonard Tilse

When I was in the S.O. in 1984, I went to Sea Org Day in LA where Arthur and Suzette received their 16 year S.O. member recognition.

Ms. B. Haven

I would love to get some more info on Neville Potter. Is he SO? What was his relationship to the Hubbard family? What’s his history in scientology? Does he still work with Chick Corea?

Back in the 70s, I was very impressed with the beautiful lyrics he provided for Return to Forever featuring Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke. At the time, these folks were what I would refer to as the embodiment of the scientology ideal (whatever that is). They seemed to be free spirit, creative types doing their own thing and attributing some of their creativity and inspiration to what they got out of scientology. They didn’t seem to be caught up in the celebrity scene or being used as showpieces by the church like other celebs were. They seemed down to earth and not prone to jumping on couches like Cruise or spewing their potty mouths on Twitter like Alley. As far as I know, Chick is still like this. He attends and performs at events but seems to be immune from the crazyness. I don’t know about Stanley. I thought that he made it to OT III and then bailed years ago, but the two of the still perform together, so he must still be in and very low key (no pun intended). If anyone has some info in this area I would love to hear it.

FLUNK_101

Stanley Clarke left the church. Chick Corea stopped playing with him. But, that changed when it came time for their Return To Forever reunion tour, because big bucks were involved … at least that’s what I heard. It was the money.

Marc Headley

I heard that Chick got Stanley back in recently. Stanley also appeared in an IAS video with Chick recently.

Thanks for the info..I have recently wondered what the connection that house had in reference to Shelly. PS – LOVE the spelling tutorial…I LOL’d.

http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

Even the haters on this site would be charmed by Neville Potter. Truly a wonderful guy. He began writing poetry after a particularly astounding Method One Word Clearing session and graduate students in the U.K. wrote papers about his poems. Return to Forever’s seagull album has songs written by Neville. His wife Leslie, no slouch in her own right, managed the group during their very successful years. Both great folks. I would dearly love to be in touch with them again. But that will have to wait until DM is long gone.

Bury_The_Nuts

If anyone here was really a “hater”, than we wouldn’t even be here.
Hopefully they leave the man in peace and Davey doesn’t throw him in the hole just because he is mad the dog lived so long!

1subgenius

Sorry “Method One” Word Clearing reminds me of the Arrested Development episode where Tobias thinks a methodone clinic is an acting clinic.

They did make a Scientology joke.
I forget who, but they say , “And that was harder to get out of than Scientology.”

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

The “haters”?

I wouldn’t be friends with a Scientologist. Not that they’d want to be friends with me. Besides any other issues, they believe I’m low-toned for being disabled and that it’s my own fault, that I “pulled it in”. Even if they wanted to risk being near my contaminated self, I do not get along with anyone who buys into the just world fallacy. Scientologists also believe that thousands of years of human history is an “implant”. Which, um, is deeply stupid. And they believe that children are adults in little bodies. Which is not only deeply stupid, but also deeply dangerous.

That doesn’t mean I “hate” Scientologists. “Not-like” does not translate to “hate”. Maybe there doesn’t seem to be a difference to you, but I think precision in language is important. I think it is especially important when discussing Scientology, whose founder made up his own stupid language that exists in order to cut people off from the outside world and from being able to think clearly.

http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

Well, you seem to be proving my point. But I would bet dollars to donuts that if you spent an hour or so with Neville you would like him.

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

I do not like people who blame me for my disability. So, no. And this is not a fault in me.

I also don’t like people simply because they are “charming”, nor do I judge them after solely an hour in their company. I like people who are, you know, good people.

http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

What’s you disability, if I may ask?

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

Why do you want to know?

Where’s Shelly?

Why did you even mention it if you don’t want to reveal it?

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

It has nothing to do with not wanting to reveal it. I’ve revealed it a whole lot of times, including here iirc. I want to know why Joe Howard wants to know what it is. How is it germane to this discussion?

Interested

I would love to meet an ex scientologist. I would love to help in some way. They were/are brainwashed. They got into this cult believing that they would improve themselves or the world we live in. I am not courageous enough. A wimp of the first order
. I don’t know why you not only brought up but insisted on mentioning your disability, and I can understand that those on the bunker site would be interested so as to be there for you, and I have noticed that when people share others open up to them. A lesson perhaps of life. You have, by being so defensive, slammed that door. I am sorry. Not because of your disability, as we all carry different “baggage” but because you are so bitter and angry. Good luck

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

First, you are changing the topic. I was talking about CURRENT Scientologists. You then change that around to EX Scientologists. Two very different beasts. Changing the subject in this way is a common tactic used by Scientologists, as was just discussed yesterday regarding Miscavige’s “Leah didn’t confront me” claim. I said nothing about ex-Scientologists, only current ones.

I am not bitter, nor am I defensive, and you are just completely wrong about my motivations. The fact that I do not feel like sharing my medical issues with someone who defends Scientologists and, right off the bat, called people here “haters”, does not mean I am ashamed, defensive, or have anything to hide.

I don’t understand how you cannot see why I brought up my disability, which you call “insisting on mentioning it”, which is an odd turn of phrase. It makes me believe it made you uncomfortable. Scientology says that people who are disabled brought it on themselves. Scientologists treat disabled, sick, dying, poor, injured, etc. people like garbage. This is central to Scientology tenets. Something bad happens to you, it’s your own fault. Just as an example, Jenna Elfman said AIDS was a state of mind.

I do not appreciate your assumptions. People here have, in fact, been here for me about a lot of things, including my disability, which I have, in fact, talked about in this community before, as well as elsewhere. Not a one has been the kind of person who would grill me about it. Not so coincidentally, not a one has been a Scientologist currently either.

I still want to know why what my precise disability is such a big goddamn deal to someone who was arguing with me. I wonder if I’m ever going to get an answer to that. By the way, if most people here had asked that, I would have answered without a second thought. When a Scientologist-defender asks it, bells go off, because of the way Scientologists have acted before when they learn I’m disabled. When ANYONE asks it while they’re arguing with me, bells also go off. And when someone latches on to that point in a post I’ve made with many points other than that, and asks me about it without telling me why — yeah. Bells. Lots and lots of bells.

Once_Born

One of the things I like about forums is that nobody knows anything about you, personally, except what you are prepared to reveal – people can ask, but you don’t have to answer.

You are judged here by the quality of what you write – nothing else.

You revealed that you are disabled because it is relevant to this discussion (revealing the way scientologists treat disabled people). This is a worthwhile contribution. The details of your particular disability are not relevant to that point.

May I suggest the following convention: if contributors are going to ask a personal question that is not directly relevant to the conversation (however well-meaning) ask once. If that question is ignored, drop it.

Still_On_Your_Side

It angers me to hear the cult’s rationale for discrimination against people because of sexual orientation and disability. The cult does everything and anything it can to create self-hating individuals, and if someone isn’t self-hating enough, Miscavige will make sure those around them will know how “worthless” they are. Such evil.

i-Betty

They sound like lovely people, Joe

Simon

Don’t you just love the demented nonsensical lingo the Sciloons use, as handed down by their dead tax evading messiah? I love this piss take:

Two Scientologists meet on the street.

“How’re you doing?” one asks the other.

“Well, to tell you the truth, I’ve been a bit out ruds because of a PTP with my second dynamic because of some bypassed charge having to do with my MEST at her apartment. When I moved in I gave her an R-factor
and I thought we were in ARC about it, but lately she seems to have gone a bit PTS so I recommended she see the MAA at the AO to blow some charge and get her ethics in. He gave her a review to F/N and VGIs but she did
a roller coaster, so I think there’s an SP somewhere on her lines. I tried to audit her myself but she had a dirty needle and BIs and was acting really 1.1 so I finally sent her to Qual to spot the entheta on her lines. Other than that, everything’s fine…”.http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-08.html

My punk rock lawyer, maybe next time warn the kids they’re going to see some massive animal cruelty.

WhereIsSHE

Yeah. I should do that, shouldn’t I.

It’s just that people never look when you warn them, because they’d rather not know about cruelty and abuse for the most part.

Sort of reminds me of some well known people (especially the ones who have the money and wherewithal to get out) who KSW by keeping entheta off their lines: They keep participating in it and patronizing it, even though to do so is intentionally ignore the pain and suffering of other beings. Heads in the sand and all that.

Sorry to those who clicked on the linky and saw the hidden video footage that a few brave (and strong-stomached) animal rights activists filmed at locations that “The Colonel”/”KFC” would like to keep hidden from the masses, but it reminds me of the brave few who have escaped from the Cult of Scientology and have gone public/told their truths about the abuses they witnessed and/or suffered, first hand.

Alright, then.
Hopping off my little Earthlings soap box.

No more animal posts today.

coonellie

When I was ordered by my doc to add meat back into my diet (after being vegan), I went out of my way to find happy cow – and fortunately, I live where there are small farms that raise six or seven head a year, let them range and eat grass, and no salt licks with ground up bones. I saw those videos and a few others and it really should be shown on national TV. I also think that Fast Food Nation is a must-read. Backing off my soap boxette…and going to pet my kitty.

Patricia Neal was one hell of an actress. She played her role in Hud to perfection.

Where’s Shelly?

I liked her in Day the Earth Stood Still also.

Missionary Kid

It’s too bad her husband turned out to be such a good writer but a bad husband.

Michael Leonard Tilse has the link to the Day the Earth Stood Still above, and that’s what got me started commenting on Patricia Neal.

Captain Howdy

I’ve seen TDTESS at LEAST 20 times.

Captain Howdy

Me too..and I was never in!..I’m fucked

music8r

Sorry to say, so did I…. /crying…
Back when I was new to the cult and learning all the acronyms I decided to turn it around on one of the other staff members who was quite adept. I was learning my way around the building and asked, “Where is the LGR?”
He was perplexed for a moment then finally had to ask, “The what?”
“The Little Girl’s Room!”

Interested

Me too …… It’s gone too far…. Help!

cicely neville

No Michael, it’s worse; I understood it. And I have never even seen an org, let alone a scilon. Aaaauuuuugghghghgh!

sugarplumfairy

Me too.. Seriously, that is messed up..

FLUNK_101

The significant thing to me was asking “How’re you DOING?”, instead of “How’re you FEELING?”
“How are you feeling?” is considered to be “introverting.”

Missionary Kid

May Xenu have mercey on your thetans.

Robert Eckert

Derek’s latest video talks about that, the way Scientologists denigrate emotion and how hard it has been for him to regain normal feelings.

villagedianne

Mary Sue had her pampered pooch. David Miscavige has a dog who he dresses in a Sea Org uniform and Miscavige makes people salute the dog.

These dogs must be some powerful thetans. Maybe they have the fabled OTX powers that Miscavige has been searching for!

KJP in Portland

If I were a subversive, free-thinking clam, I’d throw that mutt overboard! How dare, I, as a US military decorated VETERAN hear that people must salute a dog! I remember The Caine Mutiny film and the palm tree. That dog is most certainly evil (and probably OT VIII). I’d dispense with the dog, even being the hopless animal lover that I am. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Parade rest!

KJP in Portland

I like all of you guys here (survivors…yes that is what I feel you are, and the never-involved). Tony’s blog is my #2 site I visit when I fire up my computer. Just truly fascinating stuff. I can’t get enough of this corrupt, fraudulent, criminal organization’s ‘dirt”), and I am truly SO sorry many of you had to survive this Nazi-like dictatorship. Perhaps in the days before DM, it was a nicer place, but oh boy, what that lilliputian dingdong has created and expanded. I hope I haven’t offended anyone. Certainly NOT my intent. Only sympathy and empathy. And, my heart goes out to all of you here that were greatly affected. Humanity at its worst, RIGHT HERE IN THE USA! Wow…

And where the hell is Shelly???

BananaSplits8

Lilliputian dingdong needs to go in MK’s list.

i-Betty

It’s great to have you here with us, KJP

Bella Legosi

That is why I call DM, Little Boots! It disgusts me to no end how Co$ fake navy wear the uniform and salute a dog! What a disrespectful and disgusting act! It is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever really served.

I wonder if someone inside Co$ or affiliated with them were a apart of the 1st Amendment case the Supreme Court dealt with a year or so ago. The one about people wearing military dress/uniform (complete with medals and rank bars) who had NEVER served, but it is their “right to free speech” that they dress and in effect claim they were in the service?

Anyone who does that, in my mind, is a total douche bag. A really shitty person. IMO if you want to dress and act the part of someone in the military, I think you should AT LEAST go thru Basic! But, I wouldn’t want to encourage this delusion! Pisses me off and I have never served!

Unex Skcus

Yep, riles me too. Tried to join the Aussie Navy at 15, but less than 100% eyesight meant that went nowhere. Have great regard for the men and women who serve/served in the Armed Forces.

Missionary Kid

Imagine this: Clearwater has a Fleet Week, with the USN. I’d like to see some of the sea org walk into a bar in uniform. First, I’d let the real Navy know that the sea org is a fake navy.

Would the $ci-bots would probably try to buy them off by buying everyone drinks, then recruiting them, or don’t they have any money to do it?

CraftLass

I don’t know, I suspect that the dogs are the only ones around there that deserve a salute at all…

stanrogers

Warning: Pedantry Ahead The palm tree was in Mr. Roberts.

Missionary Kid

Another one of my favorite movies. Henry Fonda played it well, though I thought that Cagney was slightly miscast. He still did a good job.

Where’s Shelly?

“Some of Ron’s adventures at sea were later made into a Hollywood film, “Mr. Roberts”, with the lead part played by Henry Fonda.”
– A Short Biography of L. Ron Hubbard, “The Auditor” issue 63

Robert Eckert

They appear to be claiming that the Fonda character was based on LRH. If anything in the movie refers to him, surely it is the Cagney character.

N. Graham

Or maybe the palm tree, to commemorate the shelling of Mexico.

Missionary Kid

That doesn’t ruin my liking the movie because I know that’s total bullshit. Leave it to the $cions to claim LRH was everywhere.

*Chuckle* I forgot about that chapter, it’s been something like 15 years since I read it. Thanks.

Still_On_Your_Side

I think you should we should feel sorry for the poor dog. If Miscavige treats his dog the way he treats the people close to him, like his wife, that poor pooch is probably abused. Miscavige is such an egomaniac, he probably thinks the dog is disrespecting him if it shows affection to anyone, and just imagine Miscavige’s rage should his dog have an accident (which they all do at some time or another).

Where’s Shelly?

You mentioned “palm tree.” I think you’re confusing Caine Mutiny with that one based on LRH, Mr. Roberts. In that one, James Cagney had a palm tree which he wouldn’t let anyone in the crew go near. Ensign Pulver throws it overboard at the end of the film.

Missionary Kid

Mr. Roberts was NOT based on LRH. Read up on LRH’s naval career, and you’ll see that he was never within 2000 miles of the Western Pacific.

If any of it was based on LRH, it would have been the asshole Captain, although what he was bad at was command decisions, and not how he treated his crew.

Jeez, I didn’t really think that LRH was the inspiration for Mr. Roberts. Next you’ll be telling me LRH never really went to heaven (twice!).

Missionary Kid

Sorry, I’m just not familiar with your style yet. Occasionally, we get Indies here that still believe in LRH, even though they are thoroughly disenchanted with Co$ and DM.

I tend to take things too seriously, so that’s why I came up with what I call the sarcasm brackets: { and }. Some people don’t like them, and other people use them. Example: The {church} of $ciontology.

N. Graham

That’s cool. Actually, I felt there should be a “Where’s Shelly” avatar so I created it as a sock-puppet. But I’ve actually been around for a few years in the Bunker and the VV. Was even the subject of a Tony article on librarians and Scientology.

Missionary Kid

Ahh, so you’ve got two avatars. If I’d seen N. Graham, I wouldn’t have responded that way.

KJP in Portland

I stand corrected. And seen the film many times throughout my life. Ahh…age and memory, strange bedfellows…

TheWidowDenk

I knew Leslie and Neville Potter. They visited our house once and I had worked with Leslie on Writers of the Future for a short time. I found it very interesting that after Dr Denk had passed, Neville contacted Megan Shields for any medical records I may have found at home for Mary Sue. I guess he couldn’t talk to me. Silly folks, I had already turned the records over to ASI.

RMycroft

Any relation to Gavin Potter, who does those rah-rah presentation tours?

TheWidowDenk

Not sure; someone more knowledgeable will have to answer your question. There were other Potters around and I have a feeling they were all related in some way or another.

TheWidowDenk

Harley, our Bernese/Border Collie mix, out-lived his dad and made it to the ripe old age of 13 years. What a great dog he was …

Bruce Hines

If I am remembering correctly, didn’t you have a couple of fabulous-looking Windhounds at one point? Or am I thinking about someone else? I saw them at Shaw Health Clinic one day.

I think Mary Sue’s dog was older than eleven. She was provided for for 10 1/2 years or so after Mary Sue’s death. We don’t know how old the dog was when Mary Sue died.

Where’s Shelly?

My sister had a shih-tzu that lived to be 18. Was in great health and stayed active right to the end.

BosonStark

Thanks Widow. Do you know what happened to Leslie and Neville Potter after Mary Sue died? They were both Sea Org members, right, and I assume man and wife? And did Neville just live on alone in Mary Sue’s house taking care of the dog for over a decade, and where was Leslie staying?

TonyOrtega

I assumed that Leslie was also living in the house with Neville, but I didn’t get time to confirm it so I left her out of the story. I may have more info later about someone else in the house as well. Details can take time to shake out.

http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

Considering they are/were Scientologists, and how often Scientologist couples live apart, I think it’s good you didn’t assume Leslie was living with her husband in the story.

BosonStark

Yeah, I thought it was kind of a gap in the story, and now Bruce Hines has filled in the details in a later post. While I’ve come to accept they paid PI’s millions to follow Pat Broeker around, I just wondered how a Sea Org member like Potter would live in this house taking care of this one little dog. I thought maybe he left the Sea Org. But they kept him busy doing other things.

Nothing to do with Scientology, but I saw this 2013 documentary on the hippie cult THE SOURCE FAMILY and at one point there were 150 of them living in a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house. By Sea Org standards, the four or five living at the Mary Sue mansion was luxurious.

TheWidowDenk

No, I don’t really know what happened to Leslie and Neville after Mary Sue died. Yes, both were Sea Org members and man & wife. I lost touch with Leslie in, I’m guessing, 2000/2001. I don’t think she worked at ASI any more as I didn’t see her around. That would have been before Mary Sue died in 2002. Thereafter, I wasn’t in touch with either of them. Dr Denk was likely in touch with one or both of them, but wouldn’t necessarily have had much to say about it. We’ll have to wait for Tony to shake out some details.

Gordon Freeman

Good lookin’ house. Wouldn’t touch it though; not gonna put two and a half bucks in the hands of the church of clamology.

Missionary Kid

The money doesn’t go to the {church}, but to Mary Sue’s kids. Apparently only one is involved with the cult.

Bob

Yes,
Arthur is not involved with the church. And Suzette seems to be disassociated as well. So only Diana seems to be a willing or not so willing prisoner at the base. If she got some extra cash hopefully she will escape.

ze moo

The ‘church’ will get its cut, it always gets its cut. Or maybe the whole pie. Gotta save the planet you know….

Bella Legosi

Don’t Mafioso reward their cohorts with houses after they have went to prison too?

Just a thought………

Racnad

Are any surviving members of Hubbard’s family active members of Scientology? What relationship does the Church currently have with them?

Robert Eckert

Diana is still in, and is kept very much under wraps. Suzette and Arthur I think blew a long time ago.

nottrue

how does Rieser keep that hair out of her mouth

Bury_The_Nuts

She doesn’t. That is how she trims it.

Bella Legosi

ewwwwww

Michael Leonard Tilse

…Helps with the bruxism.

Captain Howdy

HaH!

Captain Howdy

It’s a wig.

Bruce Hines

I can add a bit of trivia to this post.

Neville was a sea org member and he lived at that house since the early 80s. Administratively he was under ASI (Author Services, Inc.). He was a polite and pleasant Englishman. One of his main duties was to keep an eye on Mary Sue, monitor her moods, and report on such matters to higher-ups (like Norman Starkey and David Miscavige).

Also living at that house, at least in the early 90s, were Leslie Potter, Neville’s wife; Ginny Hof, a long-time sea org member; and Het Saunders, another sea org member from New Zealand. I think it shows how worried dm was about Mary Sue, having four sea org members posted full time to live with her. She posed a potential threat to his power, as she had been number two to Hubbard in earlier years and she had a lot of people in the organization who looked up to her. In the 60s and 70s Hubbard himself was very praising of his wife for the roles she played in scientology management.

Leslie worked at ASI as a registrar (fund raiser/sales person). The other two ladies performed household duties like shopping, cooking, cleaning, and the like. Neville was sort of the man around the house. He once humorously told me how a neighbor had wondered how he had four women living with him.

One of Neville’s talents was engraving jewelry. He could calligraphy beautiful lettering or designs onto metal by hand with a Dremel-like tool. He also had audited Mary Sue during her legal troubles (i.e. after the Snow White bust) under the supervision of Mr. Hubbard. These sessions became the basis for a certain type of “NOTs auditing” to be done on a person who is physically ill and under a lot of stress. “NOTs” became “OT V” in 1982 and consists of more exorcism which begins at “OT III.”

And, it is true, Mary Sue was very fond of her dog.

Studious Judious

It looked like a nice place to live, until you put 5 people in the house.

Why would ASI need a registrar? (geniunely curious)

Michael Leonard Tilse

They sold a lot of “LRH Properties” like leather bound ‘mission earth’ books and ‘special editions’ of his old yarns. Also sold some Frazetta prints based on mission earth. I was so disappointed that Frazetta was associated.

So that was fundraising and probably a lot went into DM’s ‘investments’. So they would need a Reg trained in the abusive mind rape sales tech to extract thousands of dollars in return for kitschy items worth peanuts.

Captain Howdy

I have a best friend that’s going to be crestfallen to find out there’s a Frazetta/scientology connection. I can’t wait to tell him.

Michael Leonard Tilse

To be fair, he was probably schmoozed into it and Thought he was supporting the arts.

Robert Eckert

*meh* He was just making a living. Most of the sci-fi he was hired to draw art for was serious dreck. Theodore Sturgeon once opened a talk at a sci-fi convention saying “90% of science fiction is crap”; after the gasps subsided, he explained, “That’s because 90% of everything is crap” and went on to discuss how the classical music we listen to is a tiny subset of the mostly craptastic music produced back then, etc. So some of the artwork he did for yet another batch of awful sci-fi books was reprinted and made him more money? Why would he turn that down?

Michael Leonard Tilse

Yes, I agree. If they paid him. They probably got him to ‘donate’ his work to support the “artists of the future” competition, companion to the ‘writers of the future” contest.

Robert Eckert

Maybe Widow Denk could clarify. I would have taken it for granted that he was paid.

TheWidowDenk

I’m sure Frank Frazetta was paid for his original artwork. I only suspect it was done by contract and covered prints as well. No, Frank didn’t “donate” his work to support the Illustrators of the Future Contest. As a judge, he received a token payment (under $200.00) every time he judged. And, he probably judged two or three times a year. He was a super nice guy and very enjoyable to work with.

Michael Leonard Tilse

Thank you TheWidowDenk. I’m glad he was paid. And nice to know he was super nice. I really enjoyed his paintings from all of Science Fiction and Fantasy, not just hubbard’s.
I’ll re-adjust my skepticism a bit.

TheWidowDenk

Yes, I was amazed when I Googled the Frank Frazetta gallery this morning at the volume of his work and the varied markets. I remain a strong fan and friend.

Captain Howdy

CREEPY, EERIE & VAMPIRELLA…. FTW!

My FAV

TheWidowDenk

Reassure your friend the connection was low key. Frank was a really nice person and a great artist!

Where’s Shelly?

Not Frazetta!

Studious Judious

By chance was one of these prints of Soltan Gris on a futuristic motorcycle? Very much pink/red in color?

Michael Leonard Tilse

Maybe. I don’t remember that one. I remember the one of a nearly nude Countess Krak with a tiger. Very lush.

Studious Judious – Google is your friend. Google Frank Frazetta and you can find not only a full gallery of his work but his history.

TheWidowDenk

OK, I’ll try to field your question. ASI would need a registrar to sell special edition prints, special edition books, etc. The purpose was to generate income for “preservation of the tech.”

That house is more than large enough for five people!

Bruce Hines

ASI sold stuff. Like prints of Frank Frazetta illustrations and those of other artists (Mission Earth book covers, and the like). I don’t know all the details, but I think they also sold special editions of Hubbard works. There were also ongoing efforts to get Hubbard fiction books into bookstores, but I don’t know if Leslie was involved in that.

Where’s Shelly?

Some more of Frazetta used for Scientology projects:

TheWidowDenk

I’m pretty sure that top artwork is for Final Blackout. The other three are on Writers of the Future volumes.

Bury_The_Nuts

Definitely on Final Blackout.

Where’s Shelly?

That one’s officially called “The Lieutenant.”

Robert Eckert

In that second one, it looks hardly at all like a DC-8

Where’s Shelly?

I wonder how many were living just with Tzu after Mary Sue died? Might have been crowded with five people but for a shiatsu it would be adaquate I’m sure, especially when Mary Sue took off for Target Two. That’s kind of poetic-Mary Sue left for Target Two leaving her shiatsu.

Robert Eckert

Pedanty warning: “shiatsu” is a style of massage; the dog-breed is “shih-tzu”

Marie Claire Wolf

Very pedant says : ‘Pedant warning’…

Robert Eckert

It was supposed to be Pedantry. I won’t edit it, for the irony’s sake.

stanrogers

That’s just Muphry’s Law in action.

Michael Leonard Tilse

Shiatsu Shih-Tzus are the Shi-Tz

Where’s Shelly?

Damn spell check. I fixed it. Thanks.

TonyOrtega

Thanks, Bruce. That’s not trivia, that’s key info.

Captain Howdy

Nothing Bruce has to say about scientology could ever be considered “trivia”.

TheHoleDoesNotExist

Here’s a few more details, some of Chuck Beatty’s posts from several years ago. Ginny was MLO (Medical Liason Officer) who took over for Jim Dinalci for MLO duties. I can’t help wonder if Ginny had one of the scientologist chiropractors or DO’s “treating” Mary Sue’s cancer, along with Neville “auditing” her cancer away. Very sad. Mary Sue might have had a chance for more years and I hate to think of anyone suffering.

Does anyone know if Argent Jewelry is still in existence? I also cringe at thinking how Miscavige is probably already counting all the ways he will “reg” Diana for her share of the property sale. I wonder if there’s a clause that she has to physically show up in someone’s legal offices to get the check (although that’s not a necessity in these types of cases).

We in RTC sec checked Neville Potter recently and discovered that, like Lassie, there were actually several Tzu’s. When the original Tzu died in 2003, Neville replaced the dog with others so that he could stay in the home rent free for as long as possible. Neville is commended for thinking like a true Scientology executive.

Jgg2012

Actually, Tzu’s thetan kept coming back in the bodies of newborn puppies over and over again. Only after being exposed to Angry Gay Pope and other wogs did the Thetan lose its ability to keep coming back.

Spackle Motion

On an unrelated note (and one that I’m sure Tony lurves to have posted here):

Did anyone else notice that the Scientology Celebrities WordPress blog has been severely altered today? There are multiple posts from 7/8 and 8/3 that were deleted and there’s some strange strikeout text on the 8/3 post. Me thinks that WordPress got some love notes from a Clam Legal Goon. The comments are also frozen.

Although they post a lot of unsubstantiated bullshit, it is a guilty pleasure like reading about the Bat Boy in the Weekly World News. I hope they pop up at another blog site if they are being censored.

http://scamofscientology.nl/ scamofscientology

I checked the site a few times in the past hour. And in fact, your edit is not entirely correct either. Initially they changed the header to ‘Tony Ortega, all of our silly rumors have now been permanentely laid to rest’. At the moment, it’s stating what you are saying.

Make what you want out of it. My guess: the folks running the blog are well meaning but a tad immature. I wonder if they’ll really bail out or whether we’ll see them return. I hope they’ll return – it was good fun reading their posts.

Copying their post that “explains” their disappearance, in case that post itself disappears:

We always knew that Tyler Shields was close with his mommy (Martha Shields), but we never knew they were so close that she’d fight his battles!!! We hope Francesca wakes the fuck up & dumps this inbred white trash family.

We were going to offer to make a deal, that we’d lay off her idiot son if fessed up & admitted being a Scilon fraud, but she’s clearly nuts. What she also doesn’t realise is that Fraser has known about us from the start & has written over a dozen KRs on this site & so have several other Scilons who we’ve talked about. OSA has made clear that they won’t try to have this blog deleted because they think they can figure out who we are eventually (they already found our man in the HGB who had a nervous breakdown awhile ago & blew the first chance he got fresh air — only reason he got discovered was because he went nuts & admitted to this & other “crimes” while on the meter) so they figure the rest of us will be found out these next few months.

Martha, take your meds & chill — only a really few loyal readers bother to take us seriously (thanks for your support!) & the rest of the anti-Scilon crowd hate our guts & some other lunatics actually think we’re a covert Scientology operation or have some other ulterior motives. So join the fucking club. We’ve given up trying to convince anyone & the only reason we bother is because of the few loyal readers who care enough to make this worthwhile.

You wanna come after us? Bring it on you trailer trash hick — we’re already in hell, so any attention you bring us from the “attorney general” (if you’re fucking serious) will only expose our situation in the Sea Org & bring the Feds down on Scientology & help expose the crimes of your son & his boyfriend Fraser.

Not to mention help wake Francesca up & get her the fuck away from your tentacles!

Here’s Martha Shields in her own words, raw & real:

London is where you are! Tyler will be there this week. Make sure he pulls all records regarding your vile site, magazine whatever you are, fucks yer ass & left you dead. Yea should of figured immediately you were not in the US. However, I am still contacting attorney general so you get fucked with a ten foot pole.

You know so much, there is no Clint and Dina anymore! Clint told Dina she a whore, dumped her taco burrito ass! Hahaha Dina, fucking slut!

You piece of white trash idiots, LIARS, not one shred of this is true. Tyler might let this roll of his back but I will not. I am going to show the attorney general this bullshit and then I am coming after you via attorneys, you so fucked you fucking faggots. When we meet face to face you cocksucking faggot idiot, please make sure you repeat one sentence of this homo garbage. I’m slutty white trash, you idiot you watched that stupid show that was edited. I am not slutty white trash!!!!! However, I would rather be that, than the vile piece of faggot buttsuckign crap this is.

WTH, who is hiding behind this slandering garbage!!!!!! Come out with your name or business name! I am Tyler Shields mother and I can assure anyone reading this faggot ass garbage that Tyler has never drank or done any kind of drugs. He can’t even stand being around cigarettes. He is also not bisexual, never sucked a dick, not that I would care if was or if he fucked ass, he is not. As far as him belonging to Scientology, no he is Catholic! Know all his girlfriends and he is not hiding in any closet. Tyler was raised in a str8 home with no drugs or drinking, no faggot ass shit, no fag porn, which a few producers thought entertaining to appear otherwise!!! He has worked hard and gets a lot “crap” from faggots like you. He lets it roll of his back, because he knows articles written like this are by people who are really guilty of being trash and haters. Appears you hate everyone, successful people. If he was a gay cocksucker (he is not) he would be proud of it. I would actually kind of like it if he was, I would probably see him more and don’t have to deal with bitch girlfriends. But he not faggot, never cruised, never hustled! As far as Fraser, I have met him a few times and he does not appear to be anything like you are accusing him of. He was very nice and professional, I do not know if he is a member of scientology, but if he is that is his business, not yours so fuck you faggots. Who is faggot buttmunching scientologycelebrity? Oh, do you not have attorneys on retainer you faggot cocksuckers? What country are you in? Come on answer some questions please. Just humor me, you chickenshit fags, bend over open wide, come on real reporters back up their stories by proving that they are fact not hiding like taco faggs. Oh, and as far as Tyler hustling, bullshit! His father and I supported him in his career until he was making a good living. He never drank smoked or sucked dick.I saw every charge, every atm withdraw, checks the works. Does not jive with what you write. But, thanks for the laugh are family will have a good time with this. As far as Fraser, he is a kind generous person, as far as I have seen. So, I do not know what he will think about this, I hope nothing. But you faggots are dead. When find you I will kill you choke you on your own blood! You think you mess with my son you get away with it so easy???? I will find you and kill you!

Interested

Good GGOD !, I am speechless.

WhereIsSHE

That was.. just nuts. Talk about homophobia.
But… jjust pointing this out: that post was dated July 8, 2013, and they have entered more recent posts, so I don’t think that was meant as a “buh-bye” (a la David Spade for the Total Bastard Airlines SNL skit)

Robert Eckert

Ah, I see. It was the most recent post left after they erased everything from these past few weeks. I got a mistaken impression that this threatened litigation might be the reason for the shutdown.

mouseyhair

Who are the characters in this post, “Tyler and Martha.” Or direct me somewhere. I missed this altogether, having never read the blog.

Robert Eckert

Tyler Shields is a photographer who steals ideas from better photographers. Martha is his mom. Posts at the blog questioning whether his relationship to his business partner Fraser might be sexual sparked this explosion. The blog frequently alleged that Tom Cruise was upset by how much time Cruise and Bella were spending in Tyler and Fraser’s company, and warned Clint Eastwood’s daughter against hanging out with them as they were supposedly trying to get her into the cult.

“Other lunatics actually think we’re a covert Scientology operation or have some other ulterior motives”.

Speaking as of those lunatics who suspected this, I now have to concede that the site in question is probably the work of a sadly unbalanced individual – one who, ironically is doing the CofS a favour by providing the with an example of a ranting, bigoted, inaccurate critic to point to.

It did seem a unlikely that the CofS would have the subtly to hire an outsider to do this… but now they don’t have to – this person is doing it for them.

PS: is an online threat to kill a criminal offence in the US?

Captain Howdy

Agree with your edit point cuz I was already thinking that earlier.

USA MRIID

Someone is a tad immature on the Internet?! Holy fuck, that’s damn unusual!

Bury_The_Nuts

Very Interesting.

Sidney18511

I would hate to se them go. I took them at face value, that they are who they say they are. Sure they must be young, but WHAT BALLS they have to pull off a scam like that! Putting up with all the SO shit, but keeping their ears and eyes open and getting the story out about how CRAZY this cult really is. I imagine that after risking so much to run their blog they felt disrespected. I hope they snap out of it and continue.

TonyOrtega

Imagine your disappointment when you finally learn it was an old-time critic (pre-Anonymous) just pretending all along. Bummer.

Bury_The_Nuts

LOL! You have probably known this the whole time.

Captain Howdy

Of course.

Bury_The_Nuts

LMFAO…………Steve Fishman!!!!

Captain Howdy

GOAL!!!

Captain Howdy

LOL.. Was it Steve Fishman? ; )

ThetaBara

I doubt it. Insufficiently rabid.

Sidney18511

Really?? Un-f-n-believable!! They had me believing they were real SO staff. Oh man, I guess I’m just really easy to dupe. Feeling foolish…but it surely was entertaining while it lasted!

Mrs Libnish

:slow golf clap: Well kudos to them…I thoroughly enjoyed it, fact or fiction. That rape story was hardcore though. I certainly hope that was fiction, as well.

Unex Skcus

Sad. No matter who wrote the blog, I liked it, although at times it was a tad rough for me.

Jon Hendry

The header suggests they got butthurt when Tony wrote this, above: “We hope this once and for all puts this silly rumor to rest.”

Eivol Ekdal

They seem to take offence at the phrase “Old Time Critic”. Is this not the same as “Long Standing Critic”?
How is this anything other than a term of respect? Very strange brain fart style writing and reactions on that site.

Bradley Greenwood

I’d like Ms. Rieser to leave me her wig when she drops her meat body.

Bella Legosi

Just got done reading the May 10th post at the $cilon Celeb blog……..It occurred to me that if this is somewhat true or wholly true (about staff meetings held where Tony is the subject for Fair Game) would that explain in part “Freedom” mags “investigating journalist” job ad?

lol They think they can destroy Tony’s credibility…….HA HA HAHAHA…….wow……you know it might benefit OSA to get the hell out of the bubble every now and then. Maybe then they can realize just how f**king retarded they sound! This really is like watching a one legged cat bury a turd!

Good luck with that OSA. Because, Public’s, Indies, and Wogs everywhere know what the hell “Freedom” magazine is and totally respect it for their fine “investigative” journalism, objectivity, and integrity! Hell, they are right behind FOX news in the honesty department! You must know by now that your efforts to Fair Game Mr. Ortega are really futile and only serve to show just how deluded you are in this cult? Just saying…….for an organization that claims they believe in the “science of knowing” you are woefully ignorant of the really real world, how it works, and things such as reputation. Word clear that one okay? Becuase your reputation is lower then dog piss. Last time I checked (since you LOVE stats) 75% of Americans don’t even consider your “religion” a religion.
>P

Sidney18511

Bella….I think that the scion celeb blog has closed up shop, which would be a damn shame. I posted a message on ESMB to tell them not to give up, maybe if others send them the same message they will continue. I would hate to see them go! They are the first and only group to scam the clams.

WhereIsSHE

Not sure about that. In fact, I believe it was their recent post of 8/3/13 (this past Saturday) which posed questions about recent activity at 2345 Chistlehurst Drive, and which Tony answered today.

I enjoy reading over there for the sheer pleasure of imagining the internal paranoia they create;)

It does look like they closed up. Read the headline on their site now. It mentions Tony and Davey. The home page is gone, as is the ability to add comments. It was a fun romp while it lasted. Do you think they got caught?

music8r

That was the last shred of decency worth holding onto. I’m glad the pup lived well.

Victoria Pandora

And as for Hubbard throwing his wife under the bus, which has been known for some time, Bill Franks added some fascinating detail:

“Hubbard had me and Miscavige and a few others interview Mary Sue… and… we had a van outside that was taping all this. And, basically, it was to get as much incriminating – to get her to incriminate herself as much as possible, and this would be, through a circumlocutious manner, fed to the government.”

Tom Smith/Interviewer: “And this was Hubbard’s idea?”

Bill Franks: “This was from L. Ron Hubbard to set up his wife. Right.”

USA MRIID

And for that, Hubbard won the much coveted Humanitarian Of The Year Award handed out to only special Thetans by the Scientology crime syndicate. Congrats, L. Ron Hubbard!

Still_On_Your_Side

So Miscavige, and Hubbard both interpreted the Utilitarian concept of “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” as “the greatest good for L. Ron. Hubbard or David Miscavige.” Even if, somehow, the church defends its betrayal of Hubbard’s wife as “the greatest good for the church,” it still misses the boat. At the end of the day, using the Utilitarian theory Hubbard adopted wholesale, the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, or people, means reducing suffering. Since there is only suffering in Miscavige’s wake, maybe it’s time for the members of the church to stop listening to his words, and start realizing the enormous amount of suffering Miscavige has caused, and is causing, and stop it.

cicely neville

Scenes from a Marriage: “Honey, would you do me a big favor? Would you drop by the Federal Pen for a few years? It would really save me some time – ” “Oh sure love, I’ll do it on my way to the store.” “See you later, then. Muah!”

If Neville ever blows i wonder if he could tell how Mary sue felt about it all.

Michael Leonard Tilse

I keep noticing how much Shelly looks like Mary Sue.

RMycroft

Especially in the photos where she’s dressed in 50s-style clothes.

Kitz

I noticed that as well. Kinda creepy really…

dbloch7986

Rowlingesque – HA…love it

Is anyone going to be protesting the Gala? I know that they tend to have all kinds of shrubbery (see video).

LOL that woman is such a b*tch.–but then again, so are most Scientology Celebrities.

USA MRIID

“After that, they moved around in the US until a 1977 FBI raid ensnared Mary Sue in a subsequent criminal prosecution.”

I always thought that Hubbard would have let Mary Sue hide out with him on the lam, if he really wanted her to. Instead Hubbard threw her to the wolves, let her take the fall, used her as a patsy, kept Hubbard from going to prison himself.

USA MRIID

Tzu would have lived longer with Dianetic auditing.

Bury_The_Nuts

Or NOT(S).

USA MRIID

“And now you can too, for around two and a half million clams.”

ROFL! I see what you did right the fuck there! LOL.

Still_On_Your_Side

What’s in a name? Quite a bit according to Mark Twain, “..it must be intensely annoying to the spirit of a defunct warrior to know that, after having laid down his life for fame, his name has been misspelt in the papers.”. (But he also wrote, “We called him Barney for short. We couldn’t use his real name, there wasn’t time.”)

Studious Judious

I loved Innocents Abroad.

Sherbet

Just popping in to comment on Tony’s spelling corrections. So, Tony, you think those names never will be misspelled in the Bunker again? How optimistic you are! But, just for trying, I’m going to award you a commemorative Red Correction Pencil, in honor of my equally pedantic, circa 1965, English teacher. Oh, what a heavy hand she had with that red pencil. Not on my papers, of course. It’s not burlwood, but it will do.

TonyOrtega

One does what one can.

dbloch7986

They’re, there, their Tony… Eventually we’ll get the hang of it.

Bury_The_Nuts

Speak for your, you’re yerself.

Missionary Kid

I would, in days of yore.

DodoTheLaser

Hwat did I mised?

sizzle8

Kinder than the ‘Board of Education’ used on our cabooses at our school!

Sherbet

Whoa! and Ouch!

Aslansown

I guess I’m pedantic too, because I have to restrain myself when people misuse two, to and too, and it’s and its.

cicely neville

The one that drives me crazy – and I’ve seen it right here at the Bunker – is ‘loose’ and ‘lose’. Apparently, in the last decade, the population of the US has LOST the ability to tell the difference.

If I see it here again, I am sending a Squirrel Buster to your house, whoever you are!

Missionary Kid

Would you like to go to the store with the two of us, too? Just don’t lose your loose change.

cicely neville

I’ll go there if their prices are good and they’re nice to the customers.

(WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYBODY TODAY? Is this National Silliness Day?)

Robert Eckert

New moon, closing Ramadan (the great pig-out called Eid al-Fitr will be celebrated by Muslims all over soon), at the halfway point between summer solstice and autumn equinox (formerly celebrated by Celtic pagans as Lughnasa, by jumping over bonfires, although modern pagans tend to hold it on August 1 for convenience).

I used to have a home-brew religion but I haven’t done any of the ceremonies in a very long time, although I still keep the calendar.

Missionary Kid

40 years ago I used to brew my own beer, too.

Mark

At least we should be spared the extra-intense silly-season next year, as Ramadan regularly slips back by just over a week each year (for a supposedly inerrant religion, Islam has a really gimcrack calendar).

Missionary Kid

Ah, a shopper after my own heart.

Here in the Bunker, every day is National Silliness Day. It comes with all the Joking and Degrading that goes on here.

If it weren’t for all the harm Co$ has done, it wouldn’t be necessary to be as silly as we sometimes get, and we wouldn’t be as silly as we get as a counterpoint to the misery aand suffering that the cult has caused. For some people, it’s a way of blowing off steam, and the thing that I appreciate here is that this is basically an unmoderated site, yet, there’s very little ad hominem stuff that goes on, but a lot of good good natured kidding.

cicely neville

When reading the Bunker I’m often reminded of Lincoln’s words: “If I didn’t laugh once in a while, I’d cry all the time.”

Missionary Kid

Amen.

Aslansown

Me too!!! I feel your pain! My best friend has problems with most of these things and I like her so much I try to hold my tongue. Sometimes, though, my inner pendant comes out.

Robert Eckert

“Pedant” not “pendant”! As I have already demonstrated today, there is nothing more embarrassing than being pedantic and slipping up.

Aslansown

Aaaaack! How embarrassing! I was going too fast — I’ve edited it so it’s correct!

Bury_The_Nuts

See what happens to all you pedantic zealots!

Karma sneaks up on your asses with a big old red pen of her own!
hehehe

Captain Howdy

The planet is rapidly dying and these geeks are worried about proper grammar!

And I do love these geeks..but..

cicely neville

Mess up meanings, you mess with the ability to communicate. lrh, like all demagogues, knew that cold. So, yes, we are sticklers for what you could call grammatical environmentalism, trying to clean up language pollution.

1subgenius

And if you really slip up you commit pederasty.

Observer

I posted before I read this, but I don’t think it can be said too often.

stillgrace

Don’t forget “Hear, hear” vs. “Here, here!” The former is correct.

Missionary Kid

Not when you’re getting someone to throw you some money.

Observer

The one that burns my toast is lose/loose.

1subgenius

Probably already posted, but “should of, or could of” gets me.

I asked a musician acquaintance (he won an Oscar and Grammy with Eminem, only lives a few blocks away), a really sweet and wonderful guy, to autograph the vinyl album he had for sale at a local show of his own material.

“How do you want me to sign it?” he said.

“Sign it ‘I couldn’t have done it without you'”, I said, as a joke.

He did, amazingly enough, but he wrote “couldn’t of” instead.

I still treasure it.

And now every time I get something signed I ask them to “Sign it ‘I couldn’t have done it without you'”. Mostly it gets a laugh.

Robert Eckert

The problem is that we don’t really say couldn’t have. In the positive, the contraction could’ve correctly indicates what we are saying, but for the negative, couldn’t’ve with the double apostrophe just doesn’t look right.

It wasn’t really a shoop–I just superimposed the sketch over Hubbard. It really is creepy how close they match.

Sherbet

I have an ethnic name, and I like it to be spelled correctly, so I’m a stickler about spelling other people’s names correctly. If I’m pedantic, I’m proud of it.

Mark

My bugbear is about people who start their answers to questions with “So…”. Increasingly prevalent among ‘spokespersons’ being interviewed on TV or radio. Grr!

Anonymookme

YES! Why are they all doing that?
It’s as bad as the new, all purpose adjective for anything that is on a slightly larger scale than normal-MASSIVE!
The news readers have so over used that word “massive” that it means as much as Sciloon language=nothing. Every storm is “massive”, every uprising is “massive”, every shake up in every institution is now a “massive’ shake up.
So, what might be causing this massive annoyance?

Mark

I think it might be the sort of bargain-basement media/PR courses these cretins get sent on (likely because everyone else in their office hates them). They soak up a load of hogwash about being “assertive” and “memorable” – and all end up sounding exactly the same.

And what about “passion” and “passionate” being misused for “enthusiasm” and “impassioned”? Growl!

Robert Eckert

The annoyance is of a new order of magnitude!

Mark

Aaargh! Irregardless of health and safety, you’re trying to make us boom as never heard before straight up and vertical!

Minion Gayle

I blame that on Moon Unit Zappa.

Missionary Kid

Duh, like she only got it from Valley Girls, totally.

Mark

There’s a theory it started among Microsoft employees, so they’d sound more ‘motivated’ whenever Gates asked them a question.

Or else there’s the gruesome Bill Lumbergh in Office Space: “Ah, ah, I almost forgot… I’m also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too. We, uhhh, lost some people this week and we sorta need to play catch-up. Mmmmmkay? Thaaaaaanks.”

Minion Gayle

I don’t know, I still think it all started with “Like, ohmigawd, groddy to the max!” “Okay, fine, fer sure, fer sure.”

Not that I spent anytime at all in high school memorizing the lyrics or anything. *inpecting fingernails*

N. Graham

Gnarly.

aboutandout

there….their….they’re are my pet peeves

Artoo45

Those are bad, but the misuse of “bring” and “take” drives me nuts.

ThetaBara

They’re in there with their bear. There!

Robert Eckert

I can’t bare it!

ThetaBara

Take it off!!!

Andrew Robertson

Mary had a little bear
To which she was so kind.

And everywhere that Mary went,
You saw her bare…..walking along beside her.

Andrew

MissCandle

Bank examiners use the blue end of the mechanical pencil.

SopranoAscends

I use a red Sharpie…

aquaclara

Bank regulators rely on the sharp end of the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding).

Artoo45

I thought it was a kick, but I must get all SIWOTI and point out that he did misuse “bereft” in the title which means sad or desolate, not dead.

Snippy_X

Tony, if only you had been my spelling teacher in grade school … I tried, but it never would stick, backen when they didn’t get visual learners. I think also maybe you weren’t born yet.

dbloch7986

Speaking of dogs. I miss this guy. He was my best bud. I don’t even know if he’s still alive. I should have abducted him when I moved out of my parents’ house.

aquaclara

You’re making me cry again, Derek. Sorry about your little friend here. He is very cute.

dbloch7986

It makes me teary-eyed too. I miss him. That tiny little guy used to take up my entire bed at night. I would wake up with my face pressed against the wall. Don’t ask me how he did it.

aquaclara

It’s the magic of dogs…small or big, they snuggle well and manage to convince you that the entire bed is theirs. My dog is napping under my desk right now, with his head on my feet. He is patiently waiting for me to move, so he can nab me to go play Frisbee with him.

aquaclara

“Scientology Celebrities & Human Rights

~ Tony Ortega & Mr. Miscavige, all of our silly rumors have now been permanently laid to rest.”
The Scientologycelebrity wordpress site changed their heading today to say this. And they removed their home page.
Anybody know what happened?

Quite a lot of us went over there yesterday after some $ciloon clod upset i-Betty, by posting snotty remarks on Leah Remini in the comments. Beware the Bunker gang!

TheHoleDoesNotExist

Off the subject (although Gagging Orders and Signing your Rights Away is always legit scientology fodder)..
Spotted this paragraph in story covering environmental lawsuit where the family including very young children had to agree to lifetime gags for any damages or health problems they might encounter later on:

“First and most importantly, the gag order probably isn’t legally enforceable. It’s one of those rare times when your gut reaction of “Holy hell there’s NO GODDAMN WAY that is legal!” actually aligns with the jurisprudential reality. There isn’t much case law on the subject, but apparently parents can’t sign away their kids’ rights forever, except to Scientology.”

I thought of you when I read it. But it won’t be long now till you are in a Real home starting a new adventure. I hope you get puppy somewhere in that journey too!

Racnad

It would be fascinating to read the terms of this trust. I wonder how much control the beneficiaries (Hubbard’s kids) actually have over the house, the proceeds of the upcoming sale, and any other assets the trust might contain.

Marie Claire Wolf

Big being DM has his greedy fingers in every pie to be sure

TheHoleDoesNotExist

Miscavige’s Other worst nightmare:

All the Hubbard family, Diana, Suzette, Arthur, all their many children and grandchildren (not including the family tree here of Hubbard Other wives that did not exist), all under one roof, in a lawyers office.
Suzette and Guy had a foreclosure on their home in May 2010. I wondered if they had to live in a doghouse. Can you imagine knowing that within a few miles away from the home they lost that a dog was living like a king? The children of these 3 are young adults now. I’d love to see them just take charge of their parents and yell “Wake up and Snap Out of It!”, take the money and Diana and go live in the islands, buy up a little cabana and forget about it. The grandkids can throw away the demo kits and play in the sand all day long.

Brainslugged

I’m glad you didn’t go for “Miscarriage” and “Miscavige”. I wouldn’t have wanted to see the picture: a stomach-churning tiny little not-yet fully-formed person that shouldn’t have been born… and a miscarriage.

media_lush

off topic but I think a lot of people here will enjoy this….. I was pretty much fascinated for the whole time it runs…. there’s a little bit in the middle that could be interpreted as thetans but otherwise it makes what Hubbard dreamt up look like that of a feeble mind of a secluded child…. amazing stuff really well put together

All it lacks are Bigfoot and Elvis on the mothership. Just another secret knowledge scam. Atlantis?? Lemuria? What on Illuminati??

media_lush

you haven’t got there yet…. they’re mentioned as well; surprisingly I find all of this considerably more believable than scientology

Minion Gayle

I think I just got to the Thetans.

media_lush

they look like angry sperm

dbloch7986

That sounds like a sight to behold….

WhereIsSHE

Huh??! You believe that ancient Hebrews were really space aliens FROM THE FUTURE??! lol!

BTW: The authors are from some institute which is a branch of the International Society for KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS.

CULT.

Robert Eckert

It samples every bit of woo-woo I’ve ever heard: Zachariah Sitchin’s bogus Sumerian, the “Naacal” masters from Colonel Churchward’s lost continent of Mu, except transported to Blavatsky’s Lemuria and then to Atlantis (and mispronounced, with accent on the wrong syllable, much as “merkaba” from the Cabalah is mispronounced), plus Edgar Cayce, and the Grey aliens, and the Face on Mars, plus garbled use of scientific terminology of course.

WhereIsSHE

Exactly.
Too bad for all the woo-woo-lovers that we have evolutionary biologists who can scientifically explain the history without resorting to woo-woo!

Robert Eckert

When PZ Myers visits, we have to show him this link.

media_lush

“Huh??! You believe that ancient Hebrews ”

…. no, I said: “I find all of this considerably more believable than scientology”

WhereIsSHE

Yeah. I got that! I was kidding you by making fun of the nonsense in the video!

WhereIsSHE

I mean… OTIII is BRIEF by comparison… and I love to poke fun at Hubbard’s utter b.s. as much as the next person…
But I find this to be equally ridiculous!!!
I couldn’t decide if this was a spoof or if these guys really believe this crap… until I read up on it a bit and found the link to the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

Glad you posted it though. Gave me several lulz tonight!

Mark

Oy gevalt! Hebrew comes from the future? A solid hour of rehashed Graham Hancock and David Icke, more like!

dbloch7986

Oh lord. It sounds almost exactly like Hubbard. Someone else is looking to start a cult.

Minion Gayle

So, men really are from Mars.

WhereIsSHE

Yeah… the older, creepier men in their, like, 60s.. all angry and stuff.. who like messing with (and engaging in war with?!) 12 yr old girls, supposedly! WTH!!!

Why are religious fanatics so troubled by REAL SCIENCE???
Because REAL SCIENCE (particularly BIOLOGY) disproves a ton of the foundation to their b.s.!
So they make up crazy shit and do their best to make it as confusing as possible, and sadly, instead of doing the actual research and learning how packed with blatant lies and half-truths and utter nonsense the religious crap is, some people just prefer to be deceived!

What a crazy world!!!

Artoo45

Okay. I made it past the crap about how we can’t make the pyramids today. I made it as far as the tired old tripe about the Dogons. Then my head hurt too much from headdesking. Batshit crazy is hardly LRH’s domain alone.

Jeb Burton

This story reminds me of Leona Helmsley. She left her dog $12 million in her will. A judge later knocked that down to $2 million. The caretaker of the mutt said later he could care for it for $100,000 a year, with cost for food, housing, security and of course his fee for caring for it. I think this just goes to show that LRH and the people who were around him are bat shit crazy. I wonder if the church will take care of the guy who was taking care of the dog? Sounds like good work if you can get it. I would of been bringing in younger dogs and make the job last for forty years. Long live Tzu.

TonyOrtega

Good questions. Trying to get some answers on that for a future story.

aquaclara

And Geraldine Rockefeller Dodge….at least when the last dog passed on, the mansion could be sold, and the land in NJ was set aside for animal preservation to take care of homeless dogs.

FistOfXenu

“Potter lived there, taking care of the dog, until it died about two months ago — nearly eleven years after Mary Sue preceded her into the great beyond”

So the dog didn’t exactly pine away for her in the weeks following her death. Just sayin’

Jeb Burton

Tony, a question. Is LRH the father of the heirs? Are they active in corporate scientology? Is Potter a practicing scientologist? Just curious about the players here. Thanks.

Sarcasmo

Two and a half million clams? I’d be surprised if there are even two and a half million EX clams.

Jgg2012

Re the spelling: Scientology – Cult. Indianapolis pro football player – Colt. Reminds me of an election here in California in the mid-90s, when someone running for the Board of Equalization (tax collection agency) put out tons of flyers and posters saying elect “so and so” to the Bored of Equalization. He finished last.

Flunk Off

From what I understand, the kids didn’t get very much when Blubbard died.

nottrue

cant sell the house until the dog dies. that shows how much she cared about her children

Missionary Kid

That depends on the size of the estate. We don’t know how much she gave them before hand out of the family trust upon her death, or how much she gave them before her death, which would have possibly avoided inheritance taxes. You’re making a lot of assumptions.

At least the proceeds go to her kids.

nottrue

thats true

RMycroft

Maybe she was hoping that by the time the dog died, the kids would all be out of Scientology?

Missionary Kid

You’d have to ask someone who actually knows, but I think she was a true believer to the end. I don’t think she thought about them getting out. I’m sure that her minders kept an eye on all of the legal documents she signed for the trust.

Sandy

Naw. Her kids are adults. Her dog is alone and dependent.. come on ….

nottrue

i was thinking if i did that to my kids my poor old bird wouldnt make it one day. just kidding

Robert Eckert

That’s why you have to have this caretaker, see, whose cushy job lasts as long as the bird lives.

Captain Howdy

Just because it’s your “religion..it doesn’t make it alright..it’s the worst excuse in the world.

Don’t cry too much for Mary Sue. She could be pretty vicious. Took a knife to the throat of a young man on the Apollo who she didn’t want hanging around daughter Suzette. Her son Quentin ended up dead and she left Elwrong abuse him. Diana is still dumb enough to be in the Sea Org. Her other two kids didn’t turn out much better and have heavy problems. Plus, MSH ran the Snow White operation along with her crazy husband, infiltrating the government. No great loss to humanity that she’s gone.

Robert Eckert

Glad to see you still lurk around. Appreciate your inside perspective.

I Know The Beat

I just read about 300 pages of research on Scientology sent
to by a pal who has great interest in tax exempt status and the slave wages
that go on at Sea Org.
I was a Personal Asst to Celebirties between 1975 and
2008. Four different, very
different performers. Each person within
the entourage know their gig and these things run smoothly Because, basically,
we all act like friends help friends getting from one event to another.
Personal Assistants are paid well because what they do is so
specialized and a minor fuck up can create a fiasco and one can only guess that
any given moment a CA is getting a new
one ripped as I write this. But we love
what we do, we are afforded an amazing lifestyle and hanging with famous people
is just out right fun. Also in most
cases, we either love or grow to love our employer.
That said…there seem to have been blantat abuse of the
workers for Tim Cruise and his prima donna wives. unless I am missing something
in many of these articles. Some would be
called at the last minute to “babysit” after working in the “Hanger” all
day.
I always when it came to kids, and they would ask someone
(like other than a babysitter) to watch after their kids for a night or
two. I started asking for something that
would
Make sure I was paid more for taking care of the children as that is a huge
responsibility and did not fall under my title.
And normally wouldn’t mind but…KIDs. could create if something went
wrong.
So basically what Tom Cruise has been doing is using the
young students at the church for FREE WORK…auto, cleaning, house-sitting,
babysitting, motorcycle repair, hi fi installation, etc etc.
Did I miss something, I have never seen one of his movies
but I thought they all made major mega biggo boffo

skippress

Robert, I dated Mary Sue’s “communicator” (13 years) NIkki for a good while. I believe she was also MS’s best friend. I learn about things that happen here from a Facebook group and occasionally check them out.