id think more along the lines of... lotsa these people actually recognize some of the setlist artists.. and some may even look up to their awesomeness.. so maybe if JOE SHMOE the hottest DJ in the land, the one you admire and go to see to whenever you can, says PICK UP THE MOOP.. you actually might do it.. because hero dJ who you love says so.. (or camp that you love says so)

a lot more likely than some unknown Ranger whose albums youve never bought and who you dont have on your iPod saying to pick up some moop

how about the camps DO release a setlist in 2012 ?!

THURSDAY:

9:00PM: PICK UP MOOP

11:00PM: PICK UP MOOP

FRIDAY:

8AM: PICK UP MOOP

'sorry guys.. there was too much moop after last nights shows..we, as part of the COALITION OF SOUND CAMPS AGAINST MOOP are delaying things until you can learn to pick up yer trash' ...and then the coalition of 20 sound camps goes quiet for 4 hours.

lemur wrote:as in unless yer from a foreign country its ours as it's public land and we all have an interest in protecting it ?

does that really need to be explained ?

or are you just trying to create some kind of strife

Not at all. I read your post as trying to draw a line between you and "visitors". If I misread it, I apologize.

Some languages make a distinction between inclusive and exclusive 1st-person plural pronouns. So there's a "we" that means "you and me (and maybe them)" and another "we" that means "me and them (but not you)". Sometimes I wish English had that.

If you want drama to stop following you everywhere, try letting go of the leash.

lemur wrote:as in unless yer from a foreign country its ours as it's public land and we all have an interest in protecting it ?

does that really need to be explained ?

or are you just trying to create some kind of strife

Not at all. I read your post as trying to draw a line between you and "visitors". If I misread it, I apologize.

Some languages make a distinction between inclusive and exclusive 1st-person plural pronouns. So there's a "we" that means "you and me (and maybe them)" and another "we" that means "me and them (but not you)". Sometimes I wish English had that.

..and then there's just straight lemur-ese consisting of excessive "yer"s and guttural sounds that mimic the intellectually deafening(?) smack of one hand clapping.

lemur wrote:as in unless yer from a foreign country its ours as it's public land and we all have an interest in protecting it ?

does that really need to be explained ?

or are you just trying to create some kind of strife

Not at all. I read your post as trying to draw a line between you and "visitors". If I misread it, I apologize.

Some languages make a distinction between inclusive and exclusive 1st-person plural pronouns. So there's a "we" that means "you and me (and maybe them)" and another "we" that means "me and them (but not you)". Sometimes I wish English had that.

Indeed. Although, I hate conjugations. Not as much as I hate declinations, however. But I do like inflected languages. Go figure.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

and actually, since you mentioned it perhaps we should explore NEXT YEAR right now.

How do people feel about a "RAVE GHETTO"....like the old days.

Now hear me out....what if we were to take ALL THE BIG SOUND and isolate them DEEP PLAYA.....into a ZONE?

not only would this concentrate the sound to one area, it would also hopefully give the sound camps DISTINCT RESPONSIBILITY for their "City"...

no more 10 and 2 oclock war zones that spread out past the esplanade and beyond.

messy messy messy.

I LIKE having to make a mile trek to get to the PARTY and it also eliminates the HATE that goes on as a result of some people not liking the NOISE NOISE NOISE and the shiny shiny people.

WIN WIN...

you dont like the RAVERS? well, then stay the fuck away from the Dance Ghetto and you got no problem, right?

if the Ravers dont clean up after themselves there will be NO QUESTION as to who is responsible, since it will all be in one area, under the control of the LSC's and not some shifting line in the sand that DPW decides.

anyway, i'm getting ahead of myself, that's next years super secret social engineering experiment, and im just looking for feedback, since we have to begin making the appropriate designer drugs and matching neural visual stimuli to completely and totally brainwash our guests.

Simon of the Playa wrote:and actually, since you mentioned it perhaps we should explore NEXT YEAR right now.

How do people feel about a "RAVE GHETTO"....like the old days.

I LIKE having to make a mile trek to get to the PARTY and it also eliminates the HATE that goes on as a result of some people not liking the NOISE NOISE NOISE and the shiny shiny people.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but I think that'd be downright sweet. A party's more fun when everyone around you is into it. I think it'd be fantastic to head out to a collection of clubs off in the deep playa. Nothing wrong with making a good party a little harder to get to.

Having said that, I enjoy walking by Distrikt or something during the day and dancing for 10 or 15 minutes before wandering off to the next experience. I wonder how the people who camp in the big sound camps would enjoy being isolated out there too. Seems cool at night, but for the LSSCs that aren't on during the day it could be kind of annoying to be so isolated. Perhaps that'd just be the price of throwing an awesome party in the deep playa.

I could see some people being disappointed to see the deep playa all 'developed' too, if only in one corner of it. It's already not as if being at the trash fence feels particularly distant or empty, but certainly more so than if Opulent, Root Society, Disorient, Nexus, etc etc are all going off out there.

Upsides and downsides. Would be interesting to try offering the opportunity one year to just one or two soundcamps as an experiment to see how all the different interests like the change. I bet the first year, at least, raving at an LSSC in the deep playa would be really popular with ravers of all stripes.

I'm 1000% supportive of people making useful suggestions and many of these are. But my preference would be fewer mobile PA's in the deep playa. It moves the moopfield out into areas which are impossible to find and demoop, many people like a relatively quiet deep playa experience, and dance participants can be sparse. The whole BM area closed by the trash fence is relatively small. The least utilized space is between the trash fence and the city between 5 and 10. It's the last frontier. The outer rings on 2 and 10 are also sparse. There is always room for gifted DJ's, but others should stay in their bedrooms. Let's also be honest, being a DJ is a good way to get laid, so they multiply like rabbits on the playa.

Simon I think you have f*ck'n solved it! A ghetto AT the perimeter, pointing outward. Participants can demoop the fence for easy practice and awareness and it keeps the moopzone in a fixed location. Well played!

Music and art are an equal part of my experience at BM. I've had many wonderful experiences dancing in desert and I appreciate the music the camps and art cars provide.

There are camps like Opulent Temple who raise funding at events throughout the year and who are a respected and long term part of the BM community. They dont buy tickets for their performers. Distrikt and Robot Heart seem pretty good too. I personally think these guys should get some funding because they are contributing an artform in music but I know some people disagree.

A report from the front lines.... Folks, I used to be one of "those" people. I admit it. I wore the beads and the pacifiers and waved the glowsticks around like a fucking douchebag. And then I got out of high school... but I still keep in contact with many of my "rave" buddies.

And Burning Man is on the target list, for a lot of folks. It's dangerous. I don't really touch the LSCs or MVs on Playa, since I grew out of my dancing shoes a long time ago (but I still appreciate the party, a lot!), but maybe that will chance this year, but either way, this is dangerous territory. I guess I haven't been around long enough to really talk much about this, but... ravers are coming, in droves, to the city, with no interest in anything but the big name DJs, really. I was grilled the other day as to why I missed the "epic legendary" OT white party on wednesday last year with their "sick lineup," and when I tried to tell people, "Well, that's really not the point, you see..." they scoffed and told me that I was in a venue with this and this and this and this musical artist, how could I have not went out and seen them!?

I don't know how to convey this danger properly, but my facebook feed does it well. When all the candy-ravers got back from their yearly pilgrammage to EDC, I saw a good chunk of my friends post things like "Next stop... THE BURNING MAN!", and I even had one person message me asking me if the lineup was posted yet.

I haven't been in this community long enough to offer a solution, but I really hope this contingent of x-tards who care nothing more than how cool their costume looks and how hot the person they are grinding on is doesn't manage to make it out to BRC. I don't know how to stop it, though. I don't know what I can personally do. They are on the horizon and planning.

Simon of the Playa wrote:How do people feel about a "RAVE GHETTO"....like the old days.

That is exactly how it was done. I vaguely remember BRC maps from the 90s where a circle off to the side was labeled "RAVE CAMP" or something. Never visited it.Perhaps there was wisdom in that placement.

Ano wrote:A report from the front lines.... Folks, I used to be one of "those" people. I admit it. I wore the beads and the pacifiers and waved the glowsticks around like a fucking douchebag. And then I got out of high school... but I still keep in contact with many of my "rave" buddies.

And Burning Man is on the target list, for a lot of folks. It's dangerous. I don't really touch the LSCs or MVs on Playa, since I grew out of my dancing shoes a long time ago (but I still appreciate the party, a lot!), but maybe that will chance this year, but either way, this is dangerous territory. I guess I haven't been around long enough to really talk much about this, but... ravers are coming, in droves, to the city, with no interest in anything but the big name DJs, really. I was grilled the other day as to why I missed the "epic legendary" OT white party on wednesday last year with their "sick lineup," and when I tried to tell people, "Well, that's really not the point, you see..." they scoffed and told me that I was in a venue with this and this and this and this musical artist, how could I have not went out and seen them!?

I don't know how to convey this danger properly, but my facebook feed does it well. When all the candy-ravers got back from their yearly pilgrammage to EDC, I saw a good chunk of my friends post things like "Next stop... THE BURNING MAN!", and I even had one person message me asking me if the lineup was posted yet.

I haven't been in this community long enough to offer a solution, but I really hope this contingent of x-tards who care nothing more than how cool their costume looks and how hot the person they are grinding on is doesn't manage to make it out to BRC. I don't know how to stop it, though. I don't know what I can personally do. They are on the horizon and planning.