topic Re: Problem in our country with our children in Politics, Current Eventshttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021952#M834982
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT color="#993366" size="4"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lookie, it's yet another RWNJ who's learned from Stormfront what the left thinks, instead of talking to actual lefties!&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I don't know what Stormfront is but I see crazy&nbsp;lefty's on this site daily!</STRONG></FONT><BR /><BR />I know, I know, strawmen are <EM>so</EM> much easier to argue against. Wouldn't want you to have to actually talk to a real leftie&nbsp;(gasp!) and put a couple of independent thoughts together now, would we?&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I doubt we would have much in common to talk about.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">So that's your reason for not asking? Even if I disagree with you, at least it would be what an actual liberal thinks, instead of what you've been <STRONG>told</STRONG> that we think.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">That's not a very good evasion from my point, either. Try harder. Unless of course you're afraid to find out what a liberal thinks.&nbsp;</FONT><BR /><BR /><STRONG>PS.</STRONG> Does your argument mean that if you commit a misdemeanor like jaywalking,</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I think it was crystal clear what I meant. I said if you commit a crime as a citizen that puts you in jail, you get your kids separated from you. Do you need a picture drawn?</STRONG></FONT></P><P>we can have <STRONG>you</STRONG>&nbsp;summarily thrown in jail without trial and take <STRONG>your</STRONG> children away from you forever?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">And what I said was crystal clear, which is why you ignored it.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">If you commit a MISDEMEANOR, like crossing the border or jaywalking, you get a TICKET. Then you get a TRIAL. Meanwhile, you stay home with your children and, if necessary, make arrangements to have them cared for. They are there when you get out.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT color="#0000ff">NONE OF THIS IS ALLOWED FOR&nbsp;REFUGEES. Do I have to paint a picture for you?&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">If you ignore this or say it's exactly the same, we will all know you are either hopelessly stupid, or lying because you&nbsp;approve of the government kidnapping children. Period.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>Now you are just blowing smoke. Kids don't get taken away forever for citizens or illegal aliens.</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000ff" size="4">The government doesn not know where the children are who have already been taken and has admitted this. You don't read the news, do you?&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yeah, I thought not.&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I can tell that you are just another liberal with a closed mind not able to listen to reason!</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff" size="4">I listen to reason all the time. Just not fact-free made-up stuff that has been fed to you by Trump's state-run media.&nbsp;</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>I told you that liberals are unreasonable and make up stuff as they go along.</STRONG></FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:03:56 GMTNOTHAPPENING2018-07-02T21:03:56ZProblem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021474#M834639
<P>All we hear about is the problem on our southern boarder were children are separated&nbsp;from their parents for like 20 days.&nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, this is a problem but get real. We have much worse problems in our country with legals.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children are taken away from their parents because of divorce?&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children do not have a family (single mom or single dad)?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children are taken away because their parents broke the law....if a family member does not take them in they are sent to foster home.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The bottom line is...&nbsp;</P><P>The American Family: An Endangered and Disappearing Species</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I have always given president Obama credit because he saw this problem and he encouraged&nbsp;people to stay together as a family as it brings down our crime rate and lessens dependency&nbsp;on government programs.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 01 Jul 2018 22:29:55 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021474#M834639KidBoy22018-07-01T22:29:55ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021507#M834660
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P>All we hear about is the problem on our southern boarder were children are separated&nbsp;from their parents for like 20 days.&nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, this is a problem but get real. We have much worse problems in our country with legals.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children are taken away from their parents because of divorce?&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children do not have a family (single mom or single dad)?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>How many children are taken away because their parents broke the law....if a family member does not take them in they are sent to foster home.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The bottom line is...&nbsp;</P><P>The American Family: An Endangered and Disappearing Species</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I have always given president Obama credit because he saw this problem and he encouraged&nbsp;people to stay together as a family as it brings down our crime rate and lessens dependency&nbsp;on government programs.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you saying that we need to separate more children from their parents because some parents voluntarily separate themselves from their children?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yes, Obama's suggestion was reasonable and could be very important to improve this country for everyone. Too bad Trump went the other way.</P>Sun, 01 Jul 2018 23:32:58 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021507#M834660Snoopy482018-07-01T23:32:58ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021532#M834678
<P><LI-USER uid="925442"></LI-USER></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Perhaps President Obama's remarks were also influenced by the 60,000+ children he was having to deal with that were sent here ALONE over long distances, over treacherous terrain, by treacherous methods by their Latin American parents.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:39:51 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021532#M834678GailL12018-07-02T00:39:51ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021534#M834680
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="300286"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><LI-USER uid="925442"></LI-USER></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Perhaps President Obama's remarks were also influenced by the 60,000+ children he was having to deal with that were sent here ALONE over long distances, over treacherous terrain, by treacherous methods by their Latin American parents.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:45:40 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021534#M834680john2582018-07-02T00:45:40ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021539#M834683
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1891044"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">How about that slavery ended over 153 years ago and not pertinent to this discusson.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4">You have a number of children lynched?&nbsp; </FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:59:29 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021539#M834683TxGrandpa22018-07-02T00:59:29ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021541#M834685
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="539403"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1891044"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">How about that slavery ended over 153 years ago and not pertinent to this discusson.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4">You have a number of children lynched?&nbsp; </FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not every where. Look out your window, and how little you know.</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 01:02:03 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021541#M834685john2582018-07-02T01:02:03ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021542#M834686
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1891044"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="300286"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><LI-USER uid="925442"></LI-USER></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Perhaps President Obama's remarks were also influenced by the 60,000+ children he was having to deal with that were sent here ALONE over long distances, over treacherous terrain, by treacherous methods by their Latin American parents.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am not sure what your post has to do with the subject and the other comments of the thread.</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 01:03:04 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021542#M834686GailL12018-07-02T01:03:04ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021543#M834687
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="300286"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1891044"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="300286"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><LI-USER uid="925442"></LI-USER></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Perhaps President Obama's remarks were also influenced by the 60,000+ children he was having to deal with that were sent here ALONE over long distances, over treacherous terrain, by treacherous methods by their Latin American parents.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am not sure what your post has to do with the subject and the other comments of the thread.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It has as much to do with it as yours. Just&nbsp;following your lead.</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 01:05:38 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021543#M834687john2582018-07-02T01:05:38ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021544#M834688
<P><FONT face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="4">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 01:06:16 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021544#M834688ChasKy532018-07-02T01:06:16ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021627#M834745
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1891044"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="300286"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><LI-USER uid="925442"></LI-USER></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Perhaps President Obama's remarks were also influenced by the 60,000+ children he was having to deal with that were sent here ALONE over long distances, over treacherous terrain, by treacherous methods by their Latin American parents.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How about all the children in rural south that were slaves, and the children bought and sold by the ruling class till the civil war ended most of it. How about the children lynched by the KKK.&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">How about the Africans sold by their fellow African slave traders? How about those slaves in Rome forced to fight each other for the entertainment of others? How about those indentured servants that came to our nation? How about them Brooklyn Dodgers?</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">Now, do you have anything relevant&nbsp;to the topic?</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:02:58 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021627#M834745rk91522018-07-02T12:02:58ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021630#M834747
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="4">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">One way of looking at your first situation is that those who cannot afford children should not have children.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">School funding - the national average spending per student is $9,562. The DC spending is $26,661. DC does not rank high in performance showing the the leftist standard view of "spend more of the other guy's money" does not answer all problems.</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:25:24 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021630#M834747rk91522018-07-02T12:25:24ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021631#M834748
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><FONT size="2"><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:</FONT><BR /><P><FONT size="2" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="2" color="#000080">One way of looking at your first situation is that those who cannot afford children should not have children.</FONT></P><P><FONT size="2">&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT size="2" color="#000080">School funding - the national average spending per student is $9,562. The DC spending is $26,661. DC does not rank high in performance showing the the leftist standard view of "spend more of the other guy's money" does not answer all problems.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Democratic solution to problem solving.....throw money at it.</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:33:14 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021631#M834748TxGrandpa22018-07-02T12:33:14ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021710#M834810
<P><FONT color="#000000">Oh goody. More family values lecturing from the same party that endorsed a pedophile for the sentate.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 14:29:55 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021710#M834810BigLib2018-07-02T14:29:55ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021752#M834836
<P>BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />Oh goody. More family values lecturing from the same party that endorsed a pedophile for the sentate.<BR /><BR />========================<BR /><BR />No lecturing just posting what is going on.<BR />President Obama...was he lecturing family values?...if he was I say good for him!</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:46:08 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021752#M834836KidBoy22018-07-02T15:46:08ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021766#M834847
rk's post<BR /><BR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.<BR /><BR />============================<BR /><BR />"both parents having to work full time"<BR /><BR />So we have a family ... that is a good thing and that is what is needed.<BR /><BR />Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:54:16 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021766#M834847KidBoy22018-07-02T15:54:16ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021770#M834850
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P>BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />Oh goody. More family values lecturing from the same party that endorsed a pedophile for the sentate.<BR /><BR />========================<BR /><BR />No lecturing just posting what is going on.<BR />President Obama...was he lecturing family values?...if he was I say good for him!</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#000000">Talking the talk v. Walking the walk</FONT></P><P><FONT color="#000000"><IMG src="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/fe/9e/58fe9e406f5faf6bcdde9a58730e69a6.jpg" alt="Related image" width="353" height="353" border="0" /></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;And then there's the whole endorsing a pedophile thing.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:03:52 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021770#M834850BigLib2018-07-02T16:03:52ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021782#M834856
<P>And maybe he (Obama) was speaking from experience, having been raised by a single mother, with the help of grandparents, and an absent father.</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:17:40 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021782#M834856MaVolta2018-07-02T16:17:40ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021829#M834889
<P>BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />And then there's the whole endorsing a pedophile thing.<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again a post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR />Are you interested in the subject and a solution? Seems not.<BR /><BR />Again....I posted..No lecturing just posting what is going on.<BR />President Obama...was he lecturing family values?...if he was I say good for him!<BR /><BR /></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:28:52 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021829#M834889KidBoy22018-07-02T17:28:52ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021835#M834893
<P><FONT size="4" color="#993366"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:34:37 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021835#M834893Richva2018-07-02T17:34:37ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021865#M834915
<P>Address poverty and the kids will be better off in all ways.&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:25:13 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021865#M834915ManicProgressive2018-07-02T18:25:13ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021888#M834933
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="441043"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT color="#000000">Oh goody. More family values lecturing from the same party that endorsed a pedophile for the sentate.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>"Sentate"????????&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:23:30 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021888#M834933TxGrandpa22018-07-02T19:23:30ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021889#M834934
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="539403"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><FONT size="2"><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:</FONT><BR /><P><FONT face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="2" color="#000080">One way of looking at your first situation is that those who cannot afford children should not have children.</FONT></P><P><FONT size="2">&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT size="2" color="#000080">School funding - the national average spending per student is $9,562. The DC spending is $26,661. DC does not rank high in performance showing the the leftist standard view of "spend more of the other guy's money" does not answer all problems.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Democratic solution to problem solving.....throw money at it.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people <EM>should</EM> do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:30:02 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021889#M834934PaintItBlack2018-07-02T19:30:02ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021900#M834942
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people <EM>should</EM> do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Thank you for your opinion. Now, whose responsibility is it to raise our children?&nbsp; The government or the parents?&nbsp; Democrats think it is the government.&nbsp; It has nothing to do with the schools or Reagan eliminating cost sharing.&nbsp; It has to do with parents not abdicating their responsibilities at home.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:46:48 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021900#M834942TxGrandpa22018-07-02T19:46:48ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021905#M834946
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="539403"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people <EM>should</EM> do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Thank you for your opinion. Now, whose responsibility is it to raise our children?&nbsp; The government or the parents?&nbsp; Democrats think it is the government.&nbsp; It has nothing to do with the schools or Reagan eliminating cost sharing.&nbsp; It has to do with parents not abdicating their responsibilities at home.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Of course they <EM>should </EM>raise their own children.&nbsp;<img id="womanfrustrated" class="emoticon emoticon-womanfrustrated" src="https://azqev28564.i.lithium.com/i/smilies/16x16_woman-frustrated.png" alt="Woman Frustrated" title="Woman Frustrated" /></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Thank you for proving my point: Republicans&nbsp;rely on what people <EM>should</EM> do, instead of what human beings actually do. Then they&nbsp;preach at everyone about how virtuous they are, send out an ugly tweet about homos and toddle off to their mistress or&nbsp;the public restroom where gays pick up frightened white Republications looking for a little action.<BR /><BR />And of course, they NEVER ask an actual Democrat how to solve a problem. They rely instead on what Rush SAYS Democrats think because it's so much easier to shoot down a strawman than an actual opinion. Democrats categorically do NOT want the government to raise children. We just want to provide a safety net and help all families with what they need to get out of poverty.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>See how easy it is to ask an actual Democrat instead of Hannity?<BR /><BR />So here it is:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Parents <EM>should</EM> raise their own children. But they often don't or, more commonly in post-Reagan America, can't.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So&nbsp;in the real world, where Democrats live, solutions involve better schooling (and NOT handing over tax money to churches to do it), a solid social safety net so kids can eat, and more supportive work programs like the one Reagan eliminated because Welfare Queens. That way parents can get better jobs and not have to work three jobs to support their families.<BR /><BR />Above all, it&nbsp;involves FREE BIRTH CONTROL for all because even though people <EM>should</EM> avoid sex if they can't afford kids, they <EM>won't</EM>, and handing out birth control is <STRONG>exponentially cheaper than all of the above.</STRONG><BR /><BR /></P><P>But only in the real world, not in the imaginary <EM>should</EM> world of the right wing.</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:58:48 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021905#M834946PaintItBlack2018-07-02T19:58:48ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021907#M834947
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT color="#993366" size="4"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 19:56:54 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021907#M834947NOTHAPPENING2018-07-02T19:56:54ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021911#M834950
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT size="4" color="#993366"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lookie, it's yet another RWNJ who's learned from Stormfront what the left thinks, instead of talking to actual lefties!&nbsp;<BR /><BR />I know, I know, strawmen are <EM>so</EM> much easier to argue against. Wouldn't want you to have to actually talk to a real leftie&nbsp;(gasp!) and put a couple of independent thoughts together now, would we?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /><STRONG>PS.</STRONG> Does your argument mean that if you commit a misdemeanor like jaywalking, we can have <STRONG>you</STRONG>&nbsp;summarily thrown in jail without trial and take <STRONG>your</STRONG> children away from you forever?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P>Yeah, I thought not.&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:03:19 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021911#M834950PaintItBlack2018-07-02T20:03:19ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021915#M834953
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT color="#993366" size="4"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lookie, it's yet another RWNJ who's learned from Stormfront what the left thinks, instead of talking to actual lefties!&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I don't know what Stormfront is but I see crazy&nbsp;lefty's on this site daily!</STRONG></FONT><BR /><BR />I know, I know, strawmen are <EM>so</EM> much easier to argue against. Wouldn't want you to have to actually talk to a real leftie&nbsp;(gasp!) and put a couple of independent thoughts together now, would we?&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I doubt we would have much in common to talk about.</STRONG></FONT><BR /><BR /><STRONG>PS.</STRONG> Does your argument mean that if you commit a misdemeanor like jaywalking,</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I think it was crystal clear what I meant. I said if you commit a crime as a citizen that puts you in jail, you get your kids separated from you. Do you need a picture drawn?</STRONG></FONT></P><P>we can have <STRONG>you</STRONG>&nbsp;summarily thrown in jail without trial and take <STRONG>your</STRONG> children away from you forever?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>Now you are just blowing smoke. Kids don't get taken away forever for citizens or illegal aliens.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>Yeah, I thought not.&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I can tell that you are just another liberal with a closed mind not able to listen to reason!</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:12:22 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021915#M834953NOTHAPPENING2018-07-02T20:12:22ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021917#M834955
<LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER> wrote:<BR />Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people should do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.<BR /><BR />===========================<BR />I start a thread that lists a serious problem and I see posts like that...it would be a good thing to hear reasonable solutions on how we can bring back the family. Do you have any?Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:17:06 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021917#M834955KidBoy22018-07-02T20:17:06ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021926#M834962
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Parents <EM>should</EM> raise their own children. But they often don't or, more commonly in post-Reagan America, can't.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Parents more or less quit raising their children way before Reagan was thought of as President instead of actor.&nbsp; And what does birth control have to do with problems with our children?&nbsp; You are completely all over the place even bringing in birth control, social safety net, etc.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>We had social safety nets when I was in school.&nbsp; It was called neighbors, community and churches.&nbsp; We shared with those in need.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So what are you doing for those unfortunate and in need?&nbsp; Letting the government take care of them?</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:22:59 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021926#M834962TxGrandpa22018-07-02T20:22:59ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021931#M834966
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>wrote:<BR />Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people should do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.<BR /><BR />===========================<BR />I start a thread that lists a serious problem and I see posts like that...it would be a good thing to hear reasonable solutions on how we can bring back the family. Do you have any?<HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Sounding more like a DNC bot to me!!!</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:30:39 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021931#M834966TxGrandpa22018-07-02T20:30:39ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021937#M834971
Address poverty and the kids will be better off in all ways.@TemperMental...........Share some ideas about how to address and how to find funding. I know from some of your earlier posts, you have some good ideas. Unfortunately, I have seen a side of it where money was allocated to the problem, but some came out of it just as they were. I think some basic training of management, priorities, etc. would have to be taught. It is sorta like saying, "all the pipes under my home have leaks, but I will do good by working on one of them to make things all better."Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:45:38 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021937#M834971Soosie2018-07-02T20:45:38ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021945#M834976
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT size="4" color="#993366"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lookie, it's yet another RWNJ who's learned from Stormfront what the left thinks, instead of talking to actual lefties!&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#ff0000"><STRONG>I don't know what Stormfront is but I see crazy&nbsp;lefty's on this site daily!</STRONG></FONT><BR /><BR />I know, I know, strawmen are <EM>so</EM> much easier to argue against. Wouldn't want you to have to actually talk to a real leftie&nbsp;(gasp!) and put a couple of independent thoughts together now, would we?&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#ff0000"><STRONG>I doubt we would have much in common to talk about.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">So that's your reason for not asking? Even if I disagree with you, at least it would be what an actual liberal thinks, instead of what you've been <STRONG>told</STRONG> that we think.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">That's not a very good evasion from my point, either. Try harder. Unless of course you're afraid to find out what a liberal thinks.&nbsp;</FONT><BR /><BR /><STRONG>PS.</STRONG> Does your argument mean that if you commit a misdemeanor like jaywalking,</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#ff0000"><STRONG>I think it was crystal clear what I meant. I said if you commit a crime as a citizen that puts you in jail, you get your kids separated from you. Do you need a picture drawn?</STRONG></FONT></P><P>we can have <STRONG>you</STRONG>&nbsp;summarily thrown in jail without trial and take <STRONG>your</STRONG> children away from you forever?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">And what I said was crystal clear, which is why you ignored it.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">If you commit a MISDEMEANOR, like crossing the border or jaywalking, you get a TICKET. Then you get a TRIAL. Meanwhile, you stay home with your children and, if necessary, make arrangements to have them cared for. They are there when you get out.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT color="#0000FF">NONE OF THIS IS ALLOWED FOR&nbsp;REFUGEES. Do I have to paint a picture for you?&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">If you ignore this or say it's exactly the same, we will all know you are either hopelessly stupid, or lying because you&nbsp;approve of the government kidnapping children. Period.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#ff0000"><STRONG>Now you are just blowing smoke. Kids don't get taken away forever for citizens or illegal aliens.</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT size="4" color="#0000FF">The government doesn not know where the children are who have already been taken and has admitted this. You don't read the news, do you?&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yeah, I thought not.&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#ff0000"><STRONG>I can tell that you are just another liberal with a closed mind not able to listen to reason!</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#0000FF">I listen to reason all the time. Just not fact-free made-up stuff that has been fed to you by Trump's state-run media.&nbsp;</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:55:24 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021945#M834976PaintItBlack2018-07-02T20:55:24ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021948#M834978
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="539403"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>wrote:<BR />Republican solution to problem solving: Announce what people should do, cut all funding to give the 1% a tax cut, and launch a shaming campaign for everyone else.<BR /><BR />===========================<BR /><STRONG>I start a thread that lists a serious problem and I see posts like th</STRONG>at...it would be a good thing to hear reasonable solutions on how we can bring back the family. Do you have any?<HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4">Sounding more like a DNC bot to me!!!</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#0000FF">No you didn't. You posted an insult.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000FF">I told you some of my solutions, which you have ignored. And I can assure you, I'm not a bot. (Just ask my children... lol) I'm just a leftie who got a gift of some unexpected PTO today.&nbsp;</FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:57:27 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021948#M834978PaintItBlack2018-07-02T20:57:27ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021952#M834982
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="598445"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="280540"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT color="#993366" size="4"><EM><STRONG>Some days, I like the president's solution. Forcibly&nbsp;remove all the children from their families and place them in concentration camps. in the desert.&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>If YOU commit a crime (as a citizen) that puts YOU in jail, that's exactly what happens to your under 18 y.o. kids! Of course the left feels illegal aliens are better than citizens.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lookie, it's yet another RWNJ who's learned from Stormfront what the left thinks, instead of talking to actual lefties!&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I don't know what Stormfront is but I see crazy&nbsp;lefty's on this site daily!</STRONG></FONT><BR /><BR />I know, I know, strawmen are <EM>so</EM> much easier to argue against. Wouldn't want you to have to actually talk to a real leftie&nbsp;(gasp!) and put a couple of independent thoughts together now, would we?&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I doubt we would have much in common to talk about.</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">So that's your reason for not asking? Even if I disagree with you, at least it would be what an actual liberal thinks, instead of what you've been <STRONG>told</STRONG> that we think.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">That's not a very good evasion from my point, either. Try harder. Unless of course you're afraid to find out what a liberal thinks.&nbsp;</FONT><BR /><BR /><STRONG>PS.</STRONG> Does your argument mean that if you commit a misdemeanor like jaywalking,</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I think it was crystal clear what I meant. I said if you commit a crime as a citizen that puts you in jail, you get your kids separated from you. Do you need a picture drawn?</STRONG></FONT></P><P>we can have <STRONG>you</STRONG>&nbsp;summarily thrown in jail without trial and take <STRONG>your</STRONG> children away from you forever?&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">And what I said was crystal clear, which is why you ignored it.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">If you commit a MISDEMEANOR, like crossing the border or jaywalking, you get a TICKET. Then you get a TRIAL. Meanwhile, you stay home with your children and, if necessary, make arrangements to have them cared for. They are there when you get out.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG><FONT color="#0000ff">NONE OF THIS IS ALLOWED FOR&nbsp;REFUGEES. Do I have to paint a picture for you?&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff">If you ignore this or say it's exactly the same, we will all know you are either hopelessly stupid, or lying because you&nbsp;approve of the government kidnapping children. Period.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>Now you are just blowing smoke. Kids don't get taken away forever for citizens or illegal aliens.</STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#0000ff" size="4">The government doesn not know where the children are who have already been taken and has admitted this. You don't read the news, do you?&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yeah, I thought not.&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#ff0000" size="4"><STRONG>I can tell that you are just another liberal with a closed mind not able to listen to reason!</STRONG></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#0000ff" size="4">I listen to reason all the time. Just not fact-free made-up stuff that has been fed to you by Trump's state-run media.&nbsp;</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>I told you that liberals are unreasonable and make up stuff as they go along.</STRONG></FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:03:56 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021952#M834982NOTHAPPENING2018-07-02T21:03:56ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021959#M834986
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>I told you that liberals are unreasonable and make up stuff as they go along.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Wow, all those facts and you simply sweep them under the rug because they don't fit your Trump bubble.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Here's an easier way for you to argue your points:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>[clap hands over ears]</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>LALALALALALA, I can't <EM>heeeaaaar</EM> you!</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:14:39 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021959#M834986PaintItBlack2018-07-02T21:14:39ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021964#M834989
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P>BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />And then there's the whole endorsing a pedophile thing.<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again a post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#000000">But it does address the subject of the thread. Do you really trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles - and let's not forget, pedophiles target CHILDREN - do you trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles to actually have solutions children need?</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:35:00 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021964#M834989BigLib2018-07-02T21:35:00ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021965#M834990
MaryV74769 posted..<BR /><BR />Wow, all those facts and you simply sweep them under the rug because they don't fit your Trump bubble.<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Do you know the difference between facts and opinions? Your posts indicate you do not.<BR /><BR />Back to the subject of this thread do you have any constructive ways that we can bring back families?<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:38:27 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021965#M834990KidBoy22018-07-02T21:38:27ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021966#M834991
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="18708479"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>I told you that liberals are unreasonable and make up stuff as they go along.</STRONG></FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Wow, all those facts and you simply sweep them under the rug because they don't fit your Trump bubble.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Here's an easier way for you to argue your points:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>[clap hands over ears]</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>LALALALALALA, I can't <EM>heeeaaaar</EM> you!</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4"><STRONG>Infantile!</STRONG></FONT></P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:40:08 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021966#M834991NOTHAPPENING2018-07-02T21:40:08ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021995#M835014
BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />And then there's the whole endorsing a pedophile thing.<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again a post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />But it does address the subject of the thread. Do you really trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles - and let's not forget, pedophiles target CHILDREN - do you trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles to actually have solutions children need?<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again another post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR />Do you have any suggestions how we can bring back the family? That is what President Obama wanted as he understood that doing so would reduce crime and reduce the number of people on government programs. Good things!Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:23:40 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2021995#M835014KidBoy22018-07-02T22:23:40ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022027#M835035
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="739192"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />BigLib posted..<BR /><BR />And then there's the whole endorsing a pedophile thing.<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again a post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />But it does address the subject of the thread. Do you really trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles - and let's not forget, pedophiles target CHILDREN - do you trust the judgement of people who endorse pedophiles to actually have solutions children need?<BR /><BR />=======================<BR /><BR />Again another post that does not address the subject of this thread.<BR /><BR />Do you have any suggestions how we can bring back the family? That is what President Obama wanted as he understood that doing so would reduce crime and reduce the number of people on government programs. Good things!<HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#000000">Rather than answering a loaded question, what, exactly, are Obama's words that you keep referring to. Not that I don't trust your recollection and interpretation of those words, but -- ok, it's that.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#000000">And, again, I don't think any entity that endorses pedophiles has any business in the affairs of children.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 23:15:56 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022027#M835035BigLib2018-07-02T23:15:56ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022051#M835046
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="441043"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT color="#000000">Rather than answering a loaded question</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What makes Kid Boy's question a loaded one?&nbsp; It was a straight-forth simple one.</P>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 00:12:18 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022051#M835046TxGrandpa22018-07-03T00:12:18ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022113#M835078
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="260011"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />Address poverty and the kids will be better off in all ways.@TemperMental...........Share some ideas about how to address and how to find funding. I know from some of your earlier posts, you have some good ideas. Unfortunately, I have seen a side of it where money was allocated to the problem, but some came out of it just as they were. I think some basic training of management, priorities, etc. would have to be taught. It is sorta like saying, "all the pipes under my home have leaks, but I will do good by working on one of them to make things all better."<HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>My county does it well. Not perfectly. Robust public transportation. Reduced cost housing. Provision of health care. Free preschool for low income families. Free and reduced meals for breakfast, lunch, and dinner (for those at after school activities). Child care assistance. (Child care here averages $2,000 a month). Weekend backpack meals and summer meals for low income kids. &nbsp; High performing public schools and community college. After school programs for at risk kids. Focus on rehabilitation instead of incarceration. Problem solving courts like mental health court and drug court. &nbsp;One stop shop to address domestic violence. Mandatory paid sick leave. &nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Much of this is funded with tax revenues. But much of it is funded through private charities. We have excellent&nbsp;public-private partnerships. &nbsp;Things like Red Wiggler farm, which employs adults with developmental disabilities. It sells the produce as CSA farm shares and makes a lot of money that way. But it also donates a significant&nbsp;amount of produce weekly to our local food bank. We have several local businesses like grocery stores that are committed to hiring people with disabilities, so they are gainfully employed, making decent money, instead of relying as much on things like Medicaid.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>We have American job centers, a federal initiative, that offer career counseling, employment referrals, basic skill building (like teaching interview skills), and other training programs like flagger certification (construction related) and ServSafe certification for food handling.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><STRONG>Maybe it all works because we have an extremely active volunteer community here. People really work together across agencies, businesses, and nonprofits.&nbsp;</STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The result is, in a public school system where more than half the students are black or Latino, we have a 90% graduation rate. We still have an achievement gap between whites/Asians and African Americans/Latinos. But it gets smaller each year. We have a very low unemployment rate. A low poverty rate (7% compared to about 12% statewide). And we have a very low per-capita crime rate. &nbsp;Which is good, IMO, for a county of a million plus.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>It’s not perfect. We have some significant issues. We are higher than the state average for opiate deaths. We have recently-returned gang issues. &nbsp;And we have a retiring workforce (less tax revenues). But when you have reliable public transportation to work, school, and home; paid sick leave that keeps your paycheck stable; and child care that is affordable, you are more likely to be employed, stay employed, and be able to advance. &nbsp;And with one of the best public school systems in the nation, all kids are getting a good education.&nbsp;</P>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 03:25:55 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022113#M835078ManicProgressive2018-07-03T03:25:55ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022207#M835140
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="4">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">One way of looking at your first situation is that those who cannot afford children should not have children.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">School funding - the national average spending per student is $9,562. The DC spending is $26,661. DC does not rank high in performance showing the the leftist standard view of "spend more of the other guy's money" does not answer all problems.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Poor people shouldn't have children??? Surely you aren't serious, RK. You do realize a lot of us wouldn't be here if poor people didn't have children. Think about it . . .&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So I agree that just spending more money doesn't necessarily solve problems. LBJ's war on poverty had good intentions, but was poorly planned and executed. There is a link between poverty and lack of education, and that's what he had hoped to address and give people a chance to improve their lives.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><LI-USER uid="15006157"></LI-USER>&nbsp; has a good example of what can be done, but it starts at the local level. More cooperation between the public sector and non-profits could be a good place to start. It's about using resources wisely, and getting money where it's most needed. A combination of tax dollars and grant money supplied by foundations could go a long way. But we still must use tax dollars to see that our teachers are well paid and that we have modern classrooms&nbsp;to serve all children.</P>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:28:07 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022207#M835140MaVolta2018-07-03T12:28:07ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022282#M835195
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4293184"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="1371512"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P><FONT face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="4">Low wages and both parents having to work full time is a problem for our children. An even bigger problem is how poorer school districts have less funds for their schools, thanks to Reagan eliminating Revenue Sharing.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">One way of looking at your first situation is that those who cannot afford children should not have children.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">School funding - the national average spending per student is $9,562. The DC spending is $26,661. DC does not rank high in performance showing the the leftist standard view of "spend more of the other guy's money" does not answer all problems.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Poor people shouldn't have children??? Surely you aren't serious, RK. You do realize a lot of us wouldn't be here if poor people didn't have children. Think about it . . .</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">Does a person or couple not have an obligation&nbsp;to children they bring into the world? I am the result of semi-poverty. My parents fed and clothed me - they did not look to someone else to do it. They accepted responsibilityor my education and upbringing. I was THEIR child, not a ward of the State as is so often the case these days.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>So I agree that just spending more money doesn't necessarily solve problems. LBJ's war on poverty had good intentions, but was poorly planned and executed. There is a link between poverty and lack of education, and that's what he had hoped to address and give people a chance to improve their lives.&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">He created generation after generation in poverty by destroying the basic family unit of the poor. Collecting required a one parent home and in order to get more, you had to produce another child.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><LI-USER uid="15006157"></LI-USER>&nbsp; has a good example of what can be done, but it starts at the local level. More cooperation between the public sector and non-profits could be a good place to start. It's about using resources wisely, and getting money where it's most needed. A combination of tax dollars and grant money supplied by foundations could go a long way. But we still must use tax dollars to see that our teachers are well paid and that we have modern classrooms&nbsp;to serve all children.</P><P><FONT size="4" color="#000080">The problem with that is the emphasis on "other people" not parents.</FONT></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:01:29 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022282#M835195rk91522018-07-03T15:01:29ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022414#M835287
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4293184"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">Poor people shouldn't have children??? Surely you aren't serious, RK. You do realize a lot of us wouldn't be here if poor people didn't have children. Think about it . . .</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">Does a person or couple not have an obligation&nbsp;to children they bring into the world? I am the result of semi-poverty. My parents fed and clothed me - they did not look to someone else to do it. They accepted responsibilityor&nbsp;my education and upbringing. I was THEIR child, not a ward of the State as is so often the case these days.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3"><FONT color="#008000">As did mine. But I also saw the effects of stress and the toll it took on my father's health.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">So I agree that just spending more money doesn't necessarily solve problems. LBJ's war on poverty had good intentions, but was poorly planned and executed. There is a link between poverty and lack of education, and that's what he had hoped to address and give people a chance to improve their lives.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">He created generation after generation in poverty by destroying the basic family unit of the poor. Collecting required a one parent home and in order to get more, you had to produce another child.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">&nbsp;<FONT color="#008000">As I said, it was poorly planned. It failed because it didn't get to the core of the problem that LBJ meant to solve which was education.</FONT></FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3"><LI-USER uid="15006157"></LI-USER>&nbsp; has a good example of what can be done, but it starts at the local level. More cooperation between the public sector and non-profits could be a good place to start. It's about using resources wisely, and getting money where it's most needed. A combination of tax dollars and grant money supplied by foundations could go a long way. But we still must use tax dollars to see that our teachers are well paid and that we have modern classrooms&nbsp;to serve all children.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">The problem with that is the emphasis on "other people" not parents.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">I disagree. The parents are still responsible for the welfare of their children. These programs are designed to fill in the gaps, such as food and nutrition, child care assistance, and programs for at risk students, just to name a few. It's not about putting money in their pockets, it's about targeted services to enable parents to better care for their children. Some of it may even involve parental education. That could be a subject all it's own, so I'll leave it there.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">One of the biggest problems, IMO, is the way stress can and does affect families and children. It directly affects health, as I mentioned above. It may also contribute to addiction problems and mental health issues.&nbsp;Stress can strain the family unit, and in many cases is the cause for families being torn apart if they do not know how to support one another.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">Those programs that TemperM listed were designed to provide some relief to physical and financial stress factors. If things were tough for our parents, it's much worse today, for people who are truly poor, or barely getting by living paycheck to paycheck. And it is devastating to those in poor neighborhoods that are overrun with crime, violence, and drugs. So that also has to be addressed.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">I do not advocate for welfare as was done in the past, but targeted support for working families through various programs and tax credits designed to address specific issues, and education in particular.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">One example that seems to be catching on is&nbsp;more hands-on vocational or technical training,&nbsp;that is being done successfully in some places. Not everyone needs or can afford a 4-year college, but they can still be trained to get good paying jobs. The same may be true for getting the parents trained for a modern workforce. That requires some form of subsidy. If we can subsidize corporations and other special interest groups, please explain to me why we cannot afford to subsidize education for the people who really need it and cannot otherwise afford it.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:05:31 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022414#M835287MaVolta2018-07-03T21:05:31ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022419#M835292
This is what I posted to start this thread. My point was and is that our media is so wrapped up about the children at the boarder we have neglected the problem we have with many thousands of children being taken away from their parents.<BR /><BR />Am I the only one that sees this as a bigger problem and a longer lasting problem than what is going on at our southern boarder?<BR /><BR />7-01-2018 06:29 PM<BR />All we hear about is the problem on our southern boarder were children are separated from their parents for like 20 days. Yes, this is a problem but get real. We have much worse problems in our country with legals.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />How many children are taken away from their parents because of divorce?<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />How many children do not have a family (single mom or single dad)?<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />How many children are taken away because their parents broke the law....if a family member does not take them in they are sent to foster home.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />The bottom line is...<BR /><BR />The American Family: An Endangered and Disappearing Species<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />I have always given president Obama credit because he saw this problem and he encouraged people to stay together as a family as it brings down our crime rate and lessens dependency on government programs.<BR /><BR />Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:20:22 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022419#M835292KidBoy22018-07-03T21:20:22ZRe: Problem in our country with our childrenhttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022462#M835324
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4293184"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="5672481"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4293184"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">Poor people shouldn't have children??? Surely you aren't serious, RK. You do realize a lot of us wouldn't be here if poor people didn't have children. Think about it . . .</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">Does a person or couple not have an obligation&nbsp;to children they bring into the world? I am the result of semi-poverty. My parents fed and clothed me - they did not look to someone else to do it. They accepted responsibilityor&nbsp;my education and upbringing. I was THEIR child, not a ward of the State as is so often the case these days.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3"><FONT color="#008000">As did mine. But I also saw the effects of stress and the toll it took on my father's health.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="4" color="#FF0000">But our parents accepted their responsibility and we learned by seeing it in action.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">So I agree that just spending more money doesn't necessarily solve problems. LBJ's war on poverty had good intentions, but was poorly planned and executed. There is a link between poverty and lack of education, and that's what he had hoped to address and give people a chance to improve their lives.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">He created generation after generation in poverty by destroying the basic family unit of the poor. Collecting required a one parent home and in order to get more, you had to produce another child.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3">&nbsp;<FONT color="#008000">As I said, it was poorly planned. It failed because it didn't get to the core of the problem that LBJ meant to solve which was education.</FONT></FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="4" color="#FF0000">Agreed - yet the mindset exists today.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3"><LI-USER uid="15006157"></LI-USER>&nbsp; has a good example of what can be done, but it starts at the local level. More cooperation between the public sector and non-profits could be a good place to start. It's about using resources wisely, and getting money where it's most needed. A combination of tax dollars and grant money supplied by foundations could go a long way. But we still must use tax dollars to see that our teachers are well paid and that we have modern classrooms&nbsp;to serve all children.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#000080">The problem with that is the emphasis on "other people" not parents.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">I disagree. The parents are still responsible for the welfare of their children. These programs are designed to fill in the gaps, such as food and nutrition, child care assistance, and programs for at risk students, just to name a few. It's not about putting money in their pockets, it's about targeted services to enable parents to better care for their children. Some of it may even involve parental education. That could be a subject all it's own, so I'll leave it there.</FONT></P><P><FONT size="4" color="#FF0000">Unfortunately, it is not the parents in that scenario&nbsp;providing the necessities of life. Hence, not fulfilling their obligations and creating a bad example for the children.</FONT>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">One of the biggest problems, IMO, is the way stress can and does affect families and children. It directly affects health, as I mentioned above. It may also contribute to addiction problems and mental health issues.&nbsp;Stress can strain the family unit, and in many cases is the cause for families being torn apart if they do not know how to support one another.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;<FONT size="4" color="#FF0000">I can't argue with the effects of stress. But I do not believe it was invented this decade.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">Those programs that TemperM listed were designed to provide some relief to physical and financial stress factors. If things were tough for our parents, it's much worse today, for people who are truly poor, or barely getting by living paycheck to paycheck. And it is devastating to those in poor neighborhoods that are overrun with crime, violence, and drugs. So that also has to be addressed.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="4" color="#FF0000">But, is it not the residents of the neighborhoods creating the crime, violence, and drugs. I do not think we can "buy" our way out of that.</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">I do not advocate for welfare as was done in the past, but targeted support for working families through various programs and tax credits designed to address specific issues, and education in particular.&nbsp;</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="3" color="#008000">One example that seems to be catching on is&nbsp;more hands-on vocational or technical training,&nbsp;that is being done successfully in some places. Not everyone needs or can afford a 4-year college, but they can still be trained to get good paying jobs. The same may be true for getting the parents trained for a modern workforce. That requires some form of subsidy. If we can subsidize corporations and other special interest groups, please explain to me why we cannot afford to subsidize education for the people who really need it and cannot otherwise afford it.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="helvetica" size="4" color="#FF0000">I am all for training for kids that will set the kids up for jobs. But, the government can create them - studying is the responsibility of the students - it cannot be legislated.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:47:02 GMThttps://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Problem-in-our-country-with-our-children/m-p/2022462#M835324rk91522018-07-03T22:47:02Z