"The last time the Raiders beat the Packers, on Sept. 13, 1987, Tom Flores was the coach, Marc Wilson was the quarterback and Ronald Reagan was the president.

Carson Palmer was an 8-year-old playing with Legos back then but now he's Oakland's starting passer, faced with the challenge of leading the 7-5 Raiders past a Green Bay squad that appears on the fringe of invincibility.

"They are going to score points," Palmer told reporters Wednesday. "It's not going to be a game to be just smart with the ball and hope the defense holds them. That's not the type of game it is. You need to play efficient for four quarters."

Carson Palmer has not played with running back Darren McFadden, and the Raiders' quarterback thought he'd get the chance against the Packers.

"I'm looking forward to that opportunity," Palmer said Wednesday. "I heard a couple of weeks ago, that this was going to be the week ... but Mike's done a great job filling in for him and when (McFadden's) back, he'll be ready."

Yes, Michael Bush will start again at running back against Green Bay, as McFadden is still out after six weeks with a mid-foot sprain. Besides McFadden, speedy receivers Jacoby Ford (foot) and Denarius Moore (ankle) also were absent again Wednesday.

Head coach Hue Jackson would love to get even rookie running back Taiwan Jones(hamstring) back against the unbeaten Pack but he also was missing.

"This has been tough," Jackson said. "I've quit trying to put percentages or days or anything on it. What I try to do with this football team is to keep us afloat and just keep playing."

Jackson said there have been no setbacks, and that McFadden, Ford and Moore are "close" - even though he admits he is not sure what that means.

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Its also highly unlikely that Jacoby Ford or Denarius Moore will play either.