they showed no mercy. >> absolutely not. >>>mixingreligion, highskool sports and enthusiasm of cheerleaders how it led to a legal dispute. you are watching "world news now." ♪ >> announcer: "world news now" weather brought to you by united health care. >> announcer: "world news now" weather brought to you by united health care. that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and save you up to thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision guide to help you better understand what medicare is all about. and which aarp medicare supplement plan works best for you. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... plus, there are no networks, and you'll never need a referral to see a specialist. there's a range o

--orreligionapart of that campaign. as a matter of fact, ithinkreligionbecamea part of this campaign when mr. mondale's running mate said i wasn't a good christian. so, it does play a part in my life. i have no hesitancy in saying so. and, as i say, i don't believe that i could carry on unless i had a belief in a higher authority and a belief that prayers are answered. >> given those beliefs, mr. president, why don't you attend services regularly, either by going to church or by inviting a minister to the white house, as president nixon used to do, or someone to camp david, as president carter used to do? >> the answer to your question is very simple about why i don't go to church. i have gone to church regularly all my life, and i started to here in washington. and now, in the position i hold and in the world in which we live, where embassies do get blown up in beirut -- we're supposed to talk about that on the debate the 21st, i understand -- but i pose a threat to several hundred people if i go to church. i know the threats that are made against me. we all know the possibility of terro

it was you didn't build that comment, the gunsandreligioncomment,criticizing the cambridge police, he's done this a number of times. doesn't that have the same effect or resonance on his character? >> s.e., what i would say from a political angle and from where the media says this is a story, romney's remark wasn't just in temperate. it reflected a very hard, right political philosophy and a philosophy hostile in the fundamental way to the social safety net in this country. to the concept. >> steve, the president's comments reflected a far left position as well when it comes to you didn't build that or people cling to guns and religion. that's a political comment and statement as well. >> we're not litigating the comments here. we're talking about the fact it's remarkable when he first came out to address it, he basically backed up the comments and reiterated the essence of what he was saying. tried to clean it up a bit, but reiterated the essence. now he says he has it completely wrong. i don't want to let this block end. >> that's beautiful. one, just to address what you say, s.e. a

the service, saying itmixesreligionandgovernment. >>> and the supreme court may tackle hot-button issues like affirmative action and same-sex marriage when its new term starts tomorrow. the justices went their separate ways for the summer after the court's controversial health care ruling in june. joe johns takes a look at how the health care ruling may have affected the justices' relationships, and the tough issues ahead for the court. >> reporter: at the beginning of the new session the supreme court is going to be closely watched for signs of strain between the justices or anything else that suggests things may have changed since the health care ruling, which arguably was the biggest opinion by the court since bush versus gore more than a decade ago. right after the supreme court's health care decision in june, chief justice john roberts joked to colleagues that he would find an island fortress to escape the political heat. here's how justice ruth bader ginsburg described the eventful spring. >> the term has been more than usually taxing. some have called it the term of the century. >

misusing anyone. mormons are talking about the presidentobamareligion? iwant to talk about the mormons with mitt romney. i think obama is doing a good job for the problems that he inherited. how can anyone undo eight years of problems in four years? he is doing everything he can. thank you. host: c-span will be covering the debate live. we have a special campaign 2012 debate hub set up on the website. covering live coverage of all four debates. and other ways to socially engaged for you, the audience, to help bring together that love -- people that love politics and are interested in the debate, you can watch their and catch the debate live tonight and catch clips right afterwards, individual questions and answers provided by the question -- by the candidates, organized by topic. that is all happening right now at c-span.org. democratic caller, washington, dc. caller: question for obama, why does he not say anything or do anything about the jail population being minority, blacks, more than anyone else in this country? all the nationalities got reparations when mistreated by this come t

and the individual mandate violates the right to freedomofreligion. theschool argues both issues were not addressed when it was upheld in june. a new report says the united states has given up on a peace deal with the taliban. a member of the coalition telling the times a new goal will let africans work out the deal once coalition forces leave. the 2014 dead lane for combat operation weakens the chance for a deal. the race could determine which party controls the u.s. senate. republican senator scott brown and democrat elizabeth warren trade blows in their second debate for the massachusetts senate seat. warren once again facing the heat for becoming a native american. >> i have never used native american to get into college or law school or not to get hired in any job. >> senator brown making an appeal to all voters. >>> i don't work for anybody. i work for the people of massachusetts. that's what being an independent is all about. a good idea is a good idea regardless of where it comes from. that is evidenced my voting record and being named the least pardoned senator in the united

-- that when you question someone's taste in art, thanmore personalpolitics,religion, sexualpreference. it is something that goes to the very soul when you say you b ought that? > sunday at 8:00 on c-span's q&a. now, an american enterprise institute panel discussion examining whether google is violating antitrust laws. topics included the market for internet search, and an analysis of google's business model. pedal trade commission chairman john leibovitz has said that the ftc plans to make a decision on whether to take legal action against google by the end of this year. this is about 90 minutes. >> good afternoon, everybody. but we could bring this panel session to attention. i want to thank you for joining us today. for a discussion about internet search and antitrust policy. i am nick schulz, the fellow here at the american enterprise institute and the editor of american.com, it flagship magazine. we are going to hear from gregory sidak in a minute about any paper he has. he is the chairman of criterion economics and also the ronald professor of law and economics at the tilburg uni

crisis? john allisonbleedreligioninthe banking industry, says he can prove a was too much government. not too little that is to blame. john allison, joining us. cleveland is open for business. one company took a big gamble opening the first casino in ohio this year. in cleveland for an interview with senior vice president of horseshoe casino coming up. [ male announcer ] what if you had thermal night-vision goggles, like in a special opsission? you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architect's heat maps do. they make you a trading assassin. trade architect. td ameritrade's empowering web-based trading platform. trade commission-free for 60 days, and we'll throw in up to $600 when you open an account. take the steps to reach yours, everyowith usgoals. with real advice, for real goals. the us bank wealth management advisor can help you. every step of the way. from big steps, to little steps. since 1863 we've helped guide our clients, so the

is not always pro-science. >> in a lot of ways, sciencelikereligion, hasbeen co-oped by politics and is used to strans an agenda by both sides. how can we retain a faith in science when even science journalists can't be trusted anymore it seems? >> well, i think that sometimes -- you are right that sometimes science journalists can fall prey to hype and fall prey to political biases. the best way to avoid that is to have people more engaged in actual reading of like scientific journals or read more addition read the news arm of, for instance "nature." if people read more scientific journals and get the general gist of what a scientific article says, you can go right to the source and learn right from the source and read a wide variety of viewpoints in science. that's what we do at real clear science. we have as many viewpoints as possible. >> alex, i wouldn't make the claim that everyone on the left is pro-science and everyone on the right is anti-science. certainly you have written about this. people on the left have pushed the idea of a link between vaccines and autism, and i think that's

everybody else's opinion, that's the main thing. we talk aboutpolitics,religion, allthose kinds of things, movies, music. it's okay to have an opinion. it's really important to respect everybody else's opinion. >> a "baltimore sun" poll on sunday showed that support for gay marriage outpaced the opposition among likely voters. coach makes a good point. civilized debate is always the way to go. >> that's what we do every day. >> yeah, right. >> tom kierein is here with our forecast. hi, tom. >> good morning. there is the washington monument and jefferson memorial. so far they are dry. >>> just a few miles away, it's raining, and it's wet, and the pavement is wet. if you're coming in down through 70 or in from 66 this morning, all coming from a conveyor belt of rain associated with a front and an area of low pressure. right now closer to home, we're getting closer to moderate rain. right now raining pretty hard from right near burke, virginia, in western fairfax county through northern prince william from manassas to hay market, and then across northern fauquier county up through front roya

history class, daniel moses quiz es these 10th gradersaboutreligionsinthe world. >> what's the first word that just popped in your head? >> reporter: for the past four years moses has been teaching the class. he loves teaching the students and they love learning. >> his teaching method is very good. i actually learned things in his class. >> he comes in every day prepared and happy. >> reporter: the preparation has paid off. moses was recently named teacher of the year by the friendship consortium in the district and baltimore city. >> when our students talk about the amount of work that he does with them, the amount of hours he puts in to prepare them to take the a.p. exam, it's amazing. >> reporter: and he gets amazing results by using a simple teaching strategy. >> my strategy is one of just rigorous pacing, complex material, and lots of checks for them to make sure kids are understanding what they're being taught. >> reporter: he doesn't tolerate discipline numbers and keeps parents' cell phone numbers handy. he believes bored students become problem students. >> i think why some

of them generally attend and other members ofdifferentreligionshavealso attended over the years. justice ruth bader ginsburg attended several times and one year the sermon was harsh anti- abortion in her view and she felt it was inappropriate, so she has since stopped attending. i did not go this year. justice breyer usually goes, as do many other members of the court. host: they actually get to work today. before we get to calls, is there a number of cases out there they? agree to they i know you said some still may get added. guest: the workload has not really changed much over the past 15 or 20 years. the court takes about 80 cases per year. they have filled up the argument calendar through december. there are few more cases they not yet scheduled. they will be adding more as the year goes on. they are about halfway full. the court continues to hear cases through april and delivers decisions all the way through the end of june. host: is one of the cases written about in your paper that will not come up today. guest: this is the second case being argued this morning at 11:00 a

and it is it a different feel experience for the people. >> steve: sure. what about outreach tootherreligions. >>that is an important part of the vatican 2 and part who john 23rd was. the ecmenical dialogue with the protest apt religions and other christian religions were begun in earnest with the vatican 2 and also thorth dox christians and a different attitude toward relations with the jews especially since world twar two and holocaust and it was a dark period. >> that continues to this day. >> and now there is it a movement to make him a saint? >> correct. he was called the good pope. el bono papa. and he was a hollande figure, really. in his life time. since then his reputation as glown and the cause for his canonization and actul process has been ongoing many years. >> steve: check out the book, the good pope. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much snampt 13 minutes before the top of the hour. terrifying inside account of a commander how they are training fighters to take down our troops. wait until you see this. larry sabtau, said >> fort hood texas. lieutenant corn nel recei

religionintothe public sphere and above all, reverse roe v wade in the last months again to the abortion. a big part of the revolution was the arrival in washington of a group of young and committed conservative lawyers who wanted it to work on behalf of the agenda. word the best and brightest in your group? john roberts and samuel alito. in 1985 in a memo plotting the litigation strategy of the solicitor general's office, he wrote what can be made of this opportunity to advance the goal of bringing about the eventual overruling of roe v wade? later that year of playing for a promotion, he wrote volume particularly proud of my contributions to the recent cases in which the government argued in the supreme court to the constitution doesn't protect the right to abortion, samuel alito. but, the republican party of 1980 was not the republican party of today either and we saw that in the nomination to the supreme court. stuart unexpectedly announced his resignation, and he had made a campaign promise that jimmy carter didn't even make in the campaign. he said if i have the chance i will nomin

and end racial preferences, speed up execution,welcomereligionintothe public sphere, and above all, reverse roe v. wade and allow states once again to ban abortion. a big part of the reagan revolution was the arrival of washington of a group of young and committed conservative lawyers who wanted to work in that, on behalf of that agenda, who were two of the best and the brightest of that group? john roberts and samuel alito. 1970 -- in 1985, a memo at the solicitor general's office, alito wrote what can be made of this opportunity to advance the goal of bringing about the eventual overruling of roe v. wade? later that year, applying for a promotion he wrote i am particularly proud of my contribution to recent cases in which the government has argued in the supreme court that the constitution does not protect the right to abortion. samuel alito then, samuel alito now. but republican party of 1980 was not the republican party of today either, and we saw that in reagan's nominations to the supreme court. 1981, potter stewart unexpectedly announced his resignation, and reagan had made

was to talk abouthisreligion. thatwas very difficult during the course of the campaign with the conservative evangelical base suspicious of mormonism. the other thing is talk about his record of governor. one of his main things was health care reform in massachusetts. that also was very hard for him to do. >> he's talking about it now. he should have talked about it earlier. it's a big achievement to cover 98% of the people. >> let's put this in the context of the debates, chuck. are you surprised that christie decided and the romney campaign is saying, first debate, hits it out of the park, thursday morning things will be different? >> thank you, chris christie, for at least making the quote, the gaffe, the honest gaffe. the fact of the matter is, that has to be what happens after this first debate. the narrative has to change. the polls have to move. romney has to clobber the president in the first debate. >> if they don't move, it's over. >> in other words, are they happy with it? i kind of thing they needed the pep talk, ok? i think the base needs a pep talk. they n

abouthisreligion. thatwith a difficult with a conservative political base that was suspicious of mormonism. one of the main things of his record as governor was health care in massachusetts. >> he's talking about it now, he should have talked about it earlier. it's a big achievement. >> it was a risky strategy. >> let's put this in the context of the debates, chuck. were you surprised that christie has decided, do you think the romney campaign is pleased with him saying hey, first debate hits it out of the park thursday morning things are going to be totally different. >> thank you, chris christie for at least actually making the gaffe, the honest gaffe. the fact of the matter is that has to be what happens after the first debate. the narrative has to change. the polls have to move. romney has to clobber the president in the first debate. are they happy with it? i kind of think they needed the pep talk. i think the base needs a pep talk. they need to have confidence in their commercial. i think the idea that both sides playing this ridiculous expectations game. another thing,

believe. when the question someone's taste in art, it is personal and probing thanpolitics,religion, sexualpreference. it is something that goes to the very soul when you say, you got that? >> "60 minutes" with morley safer. sunday at 8:00 p.m. on c-span's "q&a." cracks up next, a look at the immediate impact that last night's debate had on voters. this is about 90 minutes. ♪ >> good morning, everyone. i would like to invite you to take your seat. we will go ahead and get started. thank you for joining us on this thursday. thank you to everyone who is joining us on the live stream and those watching on c-span to and the voice of america. for those of you i do not know and have not met, my name is victoria. it is my pleasure to welcome you on behalf of all my colleagues to this wonderful discussion. before we get started, a few items to give you a sense of what is coming. charlie will be up in a moment. he will give us is take on last night's debate. guests, be joined by two ga who will also offer their perspectives on the debate and the upcoming election. we are grateful to all o

old, mr. melendez. what he did was a serious felony crime and he created a baby, my clientisreligion, sheraised the child because it is h her belief that the child shouldn't suffer and now here is a guy who has had absolutely nothing to do with this child from birth suddenly has an urge to visit only because he is suddenly being made to pay. my beef with the judge is had the judge punished him in the criminal case by ordering restitution instead of sending him off to family court where he was rewarded with the privilege of fatherhood the guy would be paying restitution for his criminal behavior maybe in the form of an amount of money roughly equal to that which he might have been ordered to pay in family court but it would be a criminal punishment and wouldn't come attached to the presumptive privilege of fatherhood. >> shannon: there are two different situations here. the criminal judge. the criminal case. the rape case. he then sent the admitted rapist over to family court saying tamly court, probate court is where they decide with whether or not you can visit the child and what r

from a group called freedomfromreligion. lawyersfor the cheerleaders argued that it violates their freedom to express their religion. the judge allows the banners for two weeks while he makes a final decision. martha: fox news alert. president obama is about to address the my jobs numbers. that will happen minutes from now during a campaign stop in the swing state of virginia where we expect to see him moments from now. this as new questions arise about that number. some people are questioning the accuracy of the 7.8% number that came in for the month of september. joined now by steve moore, a senior economic writer at the "wall street journal" and matt mccall the president of the penn financial group. good to have you with us this morning. let's take a look at some of the numbers. one of the numbers revealed in this economic report is this one, 114,000 new jobs were added in the month of september. some folks are questioning how you get from a to b with that 7.81% number. let me put one more number up here which may give some background information on this. employed part tim

university berkeley centerforreligion, peaceand world affairs. this is part of the millennium value symposium, which consists of a series of panels focusing on democracy in the u.s.. this is about one hour and ten minutes. >> i would like to hear from all of you and, you know, last night when we think governor romney talked about states as the laboratory of democracy while that may have been eight republican versus democrat, and it got me thinking about our mayors and what they do in the community. and so i'm going to hand the floor over to them so you can dhaka little bit about how to see the future of american politics from where you sit. >> thank you for having us and all of you for coming to this event. i do believe that the politics are local and as the mayor i've had the opportunity to witness decision making on local level that i think has implications for the state and the federal government. i will just briefly talk about my background how i first got into the position as the mayor in a small city about 40,000 people outside of springfield in the western part of massachuset

, it is more personal, more probing thanpolitics,religion, sexualpreference. there is something that goes to the very soul when you say "you bought that?" >> morley safer of cbs on walter cronkite and journalism today. "washington journal" continues. host: we are back with our "america by the numbers" segment. the overall unemployment rate has dropped percentage -- 7.8%. if you look to those sectors, manufacturing is what we're focusing on -- is not doing as robustly as other sectors. manufacturing employment edged down 16,000 jobs on net. the jobs in computer and electronic parts and printing and related activities. we will listen to the candidates and come back oand talk about their proposals for the manufacturing sector. let's start with president obama. [video clip] >> what i talked about last night was eight new economic patriotism, and patriotism that is rooted in the belief that growing our economy begins with a strong, thriving middle-class. that means we export more jobs -- export more products and we outsource fewer jobs. over the last three years, we came together to reinvent a

for my family. i pray for my little girls. prayerandreligionsustainme. i receive calmness in the storms of the presidency. >> calmness in the storms of the presidency from george w. bush. he went on then from that debate to keep his lead and to win that election. >> and joining me now is cnn contributor and democratic strategist hillary rosen. hillary, good morning. both critics and support efforts of president obama say he was off in the debate. we've got numbers that simultaneously give the president a boost on the economy and take away key republican line of attack that we all have learned well that, nation's unemployment rate remains above 8%. 31 days from now, hillary, what is going to resonate more with voters? will it be style or substance? >> that's a great question, randi, because i think that, you know, there was a lot of theater, not just on the stage the other night, but, you know, in the mediate next day and people talking about performances, but i think when we look at kind of dial groups from undecided voters and even the cnn groups and other independent gro

the mormons out of the country. we are a target country when it comes to anunusualreligion. host:this is following up with your definition about abortion rights. [laughter] guest: never understand why this is a hard concept to grasp. we want enough government so people are not killed in the womb. that doesn't mean we want the government to make this go through 18 hours of procedures to change the moawning in front of the store. host: 114,000 jobs created in september and the unemployment rate going down, 7.8%. yet it's still higher than the day obama took office. that excludes all the people that have given up looking for work. it is still higher than the day he took office. host: with the trend going down, how do you think it will play politically? guest: 23 million people are out of work. the country is suffering. maybe they do not know on capitol hill. people know that people are not working are working at far less jobs than they had a few years ago. we have to get the country going again. host: teresa in florida. caller: you just about talked out the clock. most of us heard

. when you question someone's taste in art, it is more personal and probing thanpolitics,religion, sexualpreference. that is something that goes to the very soul when you say, i "you bought that?" >> sunday at 8:00 p.m. on c- span's "q&a." >> katrina vanden heuvel joined us on "washington journal." this is 40 minutes. host: next up is katrina vanden heuvel, editor and publisher of "the nation." thank you for being with us this morning. we just got the new jobless number. the unemployment rate has dropped to 7.8%. what is your reaction to this for the country and politically? guest: for the country, any drop in those numbers is important. i think joblessness is the real crisis. i worry. i think president obama did save this country from the great depression. his advisers did not foresee the great dropped. -- structural economic changes drop. the programs were not as scale to deal with the jobless this we see today. i worry about -- this grand bargain of the elite. we have consigned this country to a new normal. which is joblessness at 7% or 8%. full employment is officially 5.5% a

, in the first amendment's provision of free speech, freedomofreligion, andthe founders presupposed and informed electorate, and an electorate which is purchase of a tory, not sitting on the sidelines. again, echoing the panel here, i get involved. please join me in thanking our panel. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> when nations cheat in trade, and china has cheated, i will finally do something the president has not been willing to do, which is labeled them a currency manipulator. >> we brought more trade cases against china in one term than the previous administration did in two terms. by the way, we have been winning those cases. >> wednesday, president obama and mitt romney meet in their first presidential debate. watch and engage with c-span with our lives debate preview at 7:00 p.m. eastern. on c-span, both candidates on the screen for the entire debate. following, your reaction, calls, e-mails, and tweets. >> coming up on c-span, journalist howard kurtz looks at the role of social a

andreligion. okenabout thespea video, a terrorist attack. our heroes died. valerie jarrett is on vacation. she had more protection than they did. the issues look at about moderators. host: we can see who the other moderator's s are. how much of a role of these moderators playing? guest: they are very important. they are taking the approach when you want to be a star of the show. i talk to jim lehrer about this in number of times. bob schieffer, both sides trust him. what they will try to do is elicit information from the candidates and that the it.nents' goal a at guest: i agree. i think jim lehrer who has done this for years and years -- people keep calling him back into that. i think that charles's are getting a-- i think that journalists are getting a bum rap. you have to look at these individuals on their overall record. guest: it is hard to critique how the moderators did. but to say you think they are not going to be fair, think that is a bum rap. caller: how are you doing? thank you for the hard work that you do. it is getting better as we go. i want to make a comment. there was a

to drive the mormons out of the country. we are a target country when it comes to anunusualreligion. host:this is following up with your definition about abortion rights. [laughter] guest: never understand why this is a hard concept to grasp. we want enough government so people are not killed in the womb. that doesn't mean we want the government to make this go through 18 hours of procedures to change the awning in front of the store. host: 114,000 jobs created in september and the unemployment rate going down, 7.8%. guest: yet it's still higher than the day obama took office. that excludes all the people that have given up looking for work. it is still higher than the day he took office. host: with the trend going down, how do you think it will play politically? guest: 23 million people are out of work. the country is suffering. maybe they do not know on capitol hill. people know that people are not working are working at far less jobs than they had a few years ago. we have to get the country going again. host: teresa in florida. caller: you just about talked out the clock. most of us h

question someone's taste, it is more personal thanpolitics,religion, sexualpreference, it is something that goes to the very soul when you say you bought that? >> 60 minutes morley safer on the career at cbs, walter cronkite, tonight at 8:00 on c-span's q & a. washington journal continues. >> stephen flanagan is kissinger chair andy plom sy for international studies. thanks for coming in today talk about what is happening in syria. image from the newspaper this morning of a syrian father crying over the body of his son one of dozens killed by suicide bombers last week. amid a civil war this appears stuck in a stalemate. stephen flan na fan, review for us the roots of what is happening sin syria. jim: >> guest: well, robe bell fighting the syrian armed forces have increasingly gained strength syria and the syrian government's own repression using the armed force as we see against the people. it has grown with the, you know, with enormous casualties over 30,000 at various estimates, but that there is even reports that casualties could be higher and the border, now, what happened in recen

't conservative enough and didn'tputreligionintothe political marketplace enough. but i don't think that's going to be the widespread expectation of the american people. i think the tea party is seen as a force that energized the republican party initially. but is now really become an anchor around the party. mitt romney has really has not been allowed to advance more mainstream positions because the right and the religious right are holding him back and i think you can find a number of senate seats that the republicans would have captured in 2010. and in 2012. >> we're going to look at one in indiana a little bit later. >> quickly, ed, if it's not the conservative christian coalition that becomes the backlash group, if you will. what might that group look like in terms of demographics at least? >> i think eleanor touched on it at the beginning. if the president is able to win 70% of the hispanic vote or get close to that, republicans and some of them have been talking about it this cycle realize they have to find a way to appeal to the hispanic voters in this country. because if they do

and democrats are a bit depressed. >> i know he doesn't believe inhisreligion, anykind of intoxicants or obviously, or any kind of caffeine. he was the mormon equivalent of ca caffeinated on the. he was up and gung-how. he relished the occasion. obama was like, is this freaking thing over yet? >> i think he reported he ordered from the cheesecake factory. lots of sugar. so that might have been it. he did a lot of things well. i think the most important thing in terms of impacting with race is he revved up the base without a doubt. >> and even the tenth amendment stuff. >> you can go to any conservative in the country and they're saying, not just because he won but he hit a lot of their buttons and simultaneously in style and as you substance appealed to disinterested voters and he needs to rally the base but he needs -- >> governor romney was able to talk about examples of people he talked to over and over again. i met this guy here and this person there. i know it was -- i think it probably worked. >> you know what, chris? i sort of disagree with you. i think what we saw was one cand

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