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Sunday, March 12, 2017

Poptech's "Truth" re WhatsUpWithThatWatts.blogspot - Examined

In my decades long experience dialoging with climate science “skeptics" they consistently respond to reasoned critique of their arguments by sidetracking the discussion with personal attacks intent on making their 'opponents' seem as detestable as possible thus making any facts irrelevant, as Zoe so ably demonstrated in the last post.

Poptech at “populartechnology-net” provided a text book example last year and since he seems to be slinking around the internet peddling his fable again, I figure I’ll get personal myself and share the response which separates Poptech’s fabrications from the facts.

Besides, it fits right in with the pathetic John Bates’ Affair - John’s MO is the same, malicious manipulation and omission of facts, spin the narrative away from the matter at hand and aim for character assassination.

__________________________________________________ORIGINALLY POSTED FEBRUARY 2nd 2016 under the title: "Lord of the Flies* (#8 Poptech's Truth).

I thought I could avoid Anthony Watts and Andrew 'Poptech's' attack piece on me, figuring I'd get to it later. But my old pal AL (a debate mate from this past November 23 to December 13th in the "debating sock-puppet" series.) just couldn't resist rubbing it in my face, and since his link went to Poptech's post, I figured, OK in for a nickel, in for a dollar.

Oh boy, talk about desperation to dig up shit, well they dug and they dug and oh the facts and links they've unearthed. But, even more impressive than what they unearthed - is the vindictive theatrical spin they put on everything.

All dedicated to maligning me in order to draw attention away from the evidence and the ideas I challenge them with. What they deliberately ignore is that I'm just a messenger talking about the science and I am always ready to support my claims with references back to the authoritative science I learned from.If you don't believe me, try me.

On the other hand these clowns spend all their effort putting fantastical labels on people and spinning hallucinatory yarns while claiming superiority and victory... as though it's their's to claim. They make lots of noise about the science, yet they never produce any serious science when they are challenged. Instead it always reverts to minutia and malicious mud fighting. It's worth making a big deal about because powerful leaders like Inhofe and Barton and the rest hide behind this sort of insanity to justify doing nothing and wasting precious time.

I've copied Poptech's "Truth about WUWTW" and pasted it below and diluted the 'horror' with facts and commentary.I eliminated some links, but I kept most, to be honest it was cool revisiting some of those pages.

U.S. National Academy of Sciences, U.K. Royal Society Release Joint Publication on Climate Change

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the Royal Society, the national science academy of the U.K., released a joint publication today in Washington, D.C., that explains the clear evidence that humans are causing the climate to change, and that addresses a variety of other key questions commonly asked about climate change science.

Peter was born in Münster, Germany on July 1, 1955, {They missed 12+ years in big city Chicago}moved to Burlingame, California in 1968, graduated fromBurlingame high schoolin 1973, had a "spiritual re-birth"{So, what have we here? The faith-based crowd has something against a spiritual awakening? What's wrong with having a deep awareness of our planet's physical reality? Sure beats the utter emptiness of a 6 day creation 6,000 years ago, a la ancient tribal texts. Come on over to CFI if you have something to discuss about this. } at Yosemite National Park in (1973)and moved to{Silverton first 6 years}Colorado in 1979 where he spent two decades honing his "scientific" knowledge working at restaurants{You forgot the chef's apprenticeship in 1978 at the Michelin Star rated restaurant, Hotel Hirsch in Bad Wurzach, Allgaü, Germany - enabled by my dear parents who made sure we grew up bilingual - although to this crowd, I imagine that's another demerit for me - xenophobia and all that.} before moving to the scientific big leagues as a day laborer, {Sure, that's how it started, but some of us learn and I've long been a skilled carpenter, I read blueprints, I'm experienced in all phases from foundation to roofing, to installing windows and doors, to figuring and building stairs and doing trim, plus mucho plumbing, and a bit of electrical.-But hey with the 2008 bust and the kids grown up and all, my three decades of double shifts and more was done with.A somewhat materially minimalist life-style means I don't have tons of bills, thus don't have to work non-stop.

Though when the calls come, I gotta be there. And there's the rub, could you do it Poptech? For the past five years I haven't had to advertise, I'm known within my community and I have a good reputation for integrity, a can-do attitude, abilities and experience and I meet my clients/friends expectations. The jobs come to me.

Oh and Poptech isn't that a beautiful horse shed. Think you could pull that off? Alone? Maybe it's time to put up some pictures of the little horse stable I built, that's even nicer.}yet{Yet, what!?}wound up filing for divorce in 2012. {Talk about desperately digging for dirt - this says more about their amorality than anything else.}

When Peter is not contributing to deforestation, he spews a horrendously formatted {There you go, hit 'em where it hurts, I'm mortified.But, he forgets I never claimed to be a media pro, like they have in his camp.And it is challenging trying to keep various narrators clearly defined, since I actually attempt engaging in what others have written, as opposed to just talking past them, as contrarians do so well.I'm just a regular citizen, who had enough of the Republican Attack on Science and decided I'd become a part of the dialogue.This is my learning and outreach project.} troll {Actually trawling would be a much more fitting description of what I'm doing.}blog named "What'sUpWithThatWatts, et al." that was originally created to stalk {Stalk!That's precious!Though, I do recall a few years back Kevin Trenberth was going to give a climate lecture in Boulder, CO, specifically for Anthony Watts as he was bragging on WUWT, but being a public institution it was open to the public.When I blogged my intention to be there to meet the man and directly ask him some questions, to say nothing of getting to listen to Dr. Trenberth in person - somehow Anthony's scheduling got all complicated and he bowed out and the event was cancelled, guess I didn't rate. - now if that's stalking, Poppy has a mighty low bar for folks he don't like.Of course, it's possible Anthony's cancellation had nothing to do me, but then again, it may well have. ;- ) } and harass skeptical meteorologist Anthony Watts but is now used to smear anyone who disagrees with his alarmist ideology. {Damned straight!I harass web-charlatans and attack their lies about scientific work and I rail against their malicious slandering of serious professionals.}Peter's scientific "credentials" include{first !}learning about global warming in a 1970's high school science class{classes!}(and being a registered Democrat{Yeah, I was independent, but then registered Democratic so I could participate in Colorado's caucus process - even been to the State Assembly and Convention as delegate a couple times. - makes me a mighty bad person in Poppy's estimation. Oh and I did work on the McGovern campaign back in Burlingame, oh my.Re. my education: You left out the part about four decades of ongoing interest and independent study in all aspects of Earth sciences and evolution. In fact, my active pursuit of bloggers who attack and misrepresent legitimate climate science has been all about learning. Try it. I take on questions and challenges, then research them and then learn to understand the details, about stuff I would have never pursued had I not been trying to investigate contrarian claims. I know folks like Jim Steele have developed a passionate hatred for me, because I've called Jim on his shit so often. But so it goes. Frauds and liars need to stop getting their free ride.}

Unfortunately, Peter's limited education{hey, I never claimed to have a degree.} and intellect prevents him from being able to defend the lies, misinformation and strawman arguments he spams on his blog. His debating skills amount to copying and pasting results from amateur Google searches without reading them, fabricating conspiratorial delusions that support his emotional positions and then censoring fact-based comments that refute all of the nonsense he spams.{I've directly challenged Poptech (we'll see if he posts the comment) to publish these supposed censored comments.I don't recall a single "fact based" comment coming from Poptech.I posted every comment he offered and didn't change a word - why should I need to?His words speak volumes just as they are. He doesn't offer counter-arguments, he attacks the messenger.}

Peter is incapable of debating anyone where they can actually reply without being censored or having their comments hacked up and edited. When he does respond it often includes incoherent gibberish, which is a telltale sign of marijuana induced brain damage making any such interaction futile.

{Please produce examples of me editing your words, bet you can't.The rest of this simply underscores their unhinged hatred, it's not about dialogue or learning, it's about superiority and demolishing the other. So Weird, so self-destructive.

Andrew, you know what I think is a crime, the way the Republican/libertarian PR Machine has declared malicious lies, along with misrepresenting and slandering others as their free speech prerogative. It's so hideous and un-American, but there it is. While folks who know better stand by silently.}

While others alarmists try and smear skeptics as "Holocaust deniers", ironically Peter's late father Dieter Werner Miesler actually fought for the Nazis . {Hmmm, as though a seventeen year old draftee had much choice. But you'd have to have some humanity in you to appreciate and respect such a reality. What would you have done Poppy? To me, all this seems like another example of unhinged adolescent hatred.Not for a moment do they dare imagine I'm a decent guy, who's learned a little about what he's talking about. And if nothing else, the supplementalinformation I offer should be capable of educating serious adults about what's happening within our climate system. It's not about me, nor how good or bad I am. It's about understanding what's happening upon this planet from whence we came and where we're returning.}

{ 3/12/17 - This seems truer all the time, with 2017 promising still more horrors of disconnect and denial at the service of pure avarice and hubristic stupidity. Mistakes have their consequences.}* I find the term Lord of the Flies coming into my imagination more and more often. It seems a fitting allegory for this sort of tripe,

In Lord of the Flies, William Golding gives us a glimpse of the savagery that underlies even the most civilized human beings.

The major theme of Lord of the Flies is that humans are essentially barbaric if not downright evil. The stranded boys begin by establishing a society similar to the one they left behind in England, but soon their society has degenerated into rival clans ruled by fear and violence; before the book is over, three boys have been killed.

The novel is an allegory, which is a story in which characters, settings, and events stand for things larger than themselves. For example, the island represents the world; Ralph and Jack symbolize different approaches to leadership.

1 comment:

john
said...

I admire your intestinal fortitude.My only experience was on Carbon Brief where the said Lord M went on and on about his knowledge and the dismal state of science.With my limited ability i made sure i did not use any slur or abuse.However could not help but point out perhaps his claim to have know about a downturn in global temperature before the Pacific Eruption in the early 1990's was perhaps a stretch.Of course i coped copious abuse as a follower of big brother.My feelings are the exact opposite those who dispute the evidence to me more exhibit the followers of a big brother figure.Perhaps their wishes have come true with the election of "The Leader".

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11/29/2016 I started this blog to debate climate science contrarians, I've done my part, they, the intellectual cowards for their part have run off and hide within their hermetically sealed echo chambers, safe to continue broadcasting more stupidity mixed with anger and hostility rather than constructive learning.

Now this horrendous election. Its changed everything and this blog, not sure where it's going, eventually I need to start another one, one less intent on futility reaching out for what ain't there and more focused on presenting a different perspective for its own sake, and to hell with the rest of it, it's too heart breaking.

I see Dec 19th as a key date. If there isn't serious focused engagement of the public in numbers that surprise everyone, well the oligarch will have their way with us.

Americans need to let Trump know from the gitgo, we do not approve of his con job and he better not get too crazy because he's earned zero good faith or honeymoon considerations. We shall see.

{edited 12/11/2014}

I know there are too many typos, what can I say, eyes aren't what they were, I get rushed, and always did have a thing with transposing…{well, I also hated high school "english" classes... bad call that one.}. Doing the best I can with what I got. Embarrassing though it is, it's better than doing nothing. Besides, it's the issues and reasoning that we should be worrying about.

Though I'm in my own little world here, I'm also constantly learning and evolving and do get occasional feedback and when I reread stuff and find errors or omissions or garbage, I fix it. If it's major I'll acknowledge it with an 'edited' note, minor stuff I don't bother.

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I hardly keep track of Anthony's latest antics (besides, with Sou on the job why bother - can't beat her insights). It's just me over here and I have more important things to do with my precious hours - still now that Anthony's luster has been wearing thin he's put his energy into discovering and honing new fresh faces to carry on the public show of the Republican/Libertarian strategic attack on science.

He seems to have transitioned into a ring-leader, perhaps mentor/coach would be better, producer? At least that's how Mr. Steele and his antics of the past year has gotten me to think about it. So in that regard this blog remains about WUWT's brand of thinking and logic and my struggle to understand the anatomy of the fraud they've perpetrated against mankind. {December 2014}

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ok, now some recommended websites:

This blog was started in April 2013 and is written by an actual scientist so it has a refreshingly serious objective air to it, plus he does a good clear job of explaining complex issues.

Tamino, an acknowledged statistical/mathematical expert of the highest order, at Open Mind also does an excellent job of holding Anthony’s feet to the fire with clearly explained facts and math. Check it out:http://tamino.wordpress.com~ ~ ~

And of course, there is the excellent, most up to date internet depository of climate studies and information for the non-expert public.

Then there's RealClimate.org the scientist's commentary site. Run by working climate scientists intended to help the interested public and journalists sort through the complexities of the climatology. They provide "quick response to developing stories and provide the context" that is too often missing from public media's depiction. {But, you better be serious and have some real science education/understanding under your belt if you want to keep up.}

I remember back in da day, good websites/blogs were few and far between. But over the past years that's been changing to the point that it's impossible to keep up with them all. Here's an incomplete, and long overdue addition to my above list: