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I would think that the opposite of WW would be the guy who chooses to ride old cheap beater bike and be snobby about it. Or not necessarily being snobby, but making concious choices to downgrade their gear.

I guess it's a hand built frame in ye olde steel that has some pretensions to fit the bod, lightish but reliable equipage from the world's leading brands- read Campy if you can-and a comfy saddle that doesn't cost a zillion quid and won't cut your arse to pieces.

I would think that the opposite of WW would be the guy who chooses to ride old cheap beater bike and be snobby about it. Or not necessarily being snobby, but making concious choices to downgrade their gear.

LOL. Would that be the direct opposite though?

I imagine more that the opposite would be someone who hapharzardly chooses all their equipment with little thought and stumbles somehow into a 30lb road bike that looks like cack.

As Prendrefeu noted, it is psychological. Years ago when I used a bike trailer, I had the same effect. You tend to want to go the same speed as you would without the extra load. You push it harder due to psychology. Plus, you get used to tne load and when you do not have it, you feel like you are having a no chain day.

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The effects are all psychological.Power outputs would be the same.

No.He's always getting his wires crossed as to what's psychological and what isn't.

There is a definite training effect. When you feed the warrior 20lb, it's more a question of going hard, longer. This is what builds endurance.

Horse. You really need better things to do than attempt to target me on Weight Weenies. Besides, while one of my degrees in Psych is not a doctorate, I do have a better understanding of human psychology than most people. Run some numbers over at analytic cycling and you'll find that the gains are minimal for 'endurance'. For pure strength, it will be minor. There are better ways to train.

Besides, if this method/approach of training were effective, do you think that professional athletes whose very career depends on performance would train in this method? They don't. The training bike is not much different from the race bike, maybe add a saddlebag for tools and a pump if going without a coach, switch tubulars to clinchers, but overall it's nearly the same set up as the race bike.

Horse. You really need better things to do than attempt to target me on Weight Weenies. Besides, while one of my degrees in Psych is not a doctorate, I do have a better understanding of human psychology than most people. Run some numbers over at analytic cycling and you'll find that the gains are minimal for 'endurance'. For pure strength, it will be minor. There are better ways to train.

Besides, if this method/approach of training were effective, do you think that professional athletes whose very career depends on performance would train in this method? They don't. The training bike is not much different from the race bike, maybe add a saddlebag for tools and a pump if going without a coach, switch tubulars to clinchers, but overall it's nearly the same set up as the race bike.

I stand by my statement. I'm not Arky.

Nonsense.

This discussion is not the standard content of Psychology nomenclature. There are psychological aspects to sport. But this is not one of them. You're posting to every post on the forum regurgitating what you're read in other posts and manage to melange different things together producing a constant stream of worthless commentary. We don't want to read this. We don't need a self-qualified WW poster with trumped up credentials going back however long.

Back on topic. I said there is a training effect. How you put that training to use and to what extent is altogether another story.

This discussion is not the standard content of Psychology nomenclature. There are psychological aspects to sport. But this is not one of them. You're posting to every post on the forum regurgitating what you're read in other posts and manage to melange different things together producing a constant stream of worthless commentary. We don't want to read this. We don't need a self-qualified WW poster with trumped up credentials going back however long.

Back on topic. I said there is a training effect. How you put that training to use and to what extent is altogether another story.

You are completely confused here. Track sprinters do use weights, but that's specific, limited, training, for muscular training, just as a well known training used by pro's is running a big gear uphill in slow cadence for a very short time.

Running unaerodynamic frames, weights, rubbing brakes etc. in prolonged efforts (longer than a few minutes) this will logically just lead to the same wattage being spent. Or do you argue I somehow can spend more energy on a heavier bike, o magically just get bigger reserves just by switching bikes?

This is simple logic. My body can exert X watts in Y time. The bike (if geometry is the same) will not change that one bit. In fact there is a very good argument to make that it's better to train on a similar set up as your race machine as you would get used to the fit.

38lb my old DH bike was 20kg+ (44-45lb) and could be ridden off houses (proven), sure your tourer isn't a motorbike with a missing engine? I rode it to work everyday for 2 years with a 3" rear tyre... it was a slow ride.

38lb my old DH bike was 20kg+ (44-45lb) and could be ridden off houses (proven), sure your tourer isn't a motorbike with a missing engine? I rode it to work everyday for 2 years with a 3" rear tyre... it was a slow ride.

Nah, you guys are all missingthe 'weenies' part. An 'anti-weight weenie' would be the guy who consciously selects more durable, reliable equipment even though it's heavier and more expensive! You know, wheels that don't break, saddles that are more comfortable, PowerMeters that always work, etc.

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