Obama’s Indifference to the Islamic State Nightmare

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (“ISIS,” also known variously as “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant” or simply the “Islamic State”) is metastasizing throughout northern and western Iraq and swaths of Syria. It won’t stop there. Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and other parts of the Middle East are within its sights. Ultimately, its pathological leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi warned, ISIS is after the United States. “Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” he said last January. More recently, an ISIS spokesperson declared “we will raise the flag of Allah in the White House.”

President Obama, after months of dithering, finally authorized air strikes against ISIS, which are helping to slow down their advance against the Kurds in northern Iraq and to provide space for urgent humanitarian relief to besieged minority groups under threat of genocide by ISIS jihadists. However, as welcome as this is, the president still views ISIS as a local Iraqi problem to be dealt with by instituting a more inclusive centralized government in Baghdad rather than seeing ISIS as part of a much larger global ideological threat.

ISIS has a swelling army of more than 10,000 fighters, including jihadists and Sunni sympathizers, and advanced weapons seized from storehouses in conquered territories. ISIS is largely self-financed from such lucrative sources as the sale of oil from seized territories, looting of banks, taxes imposed on subjugated individuals trapped in the conquered territories, ransom paid for abductees, and donations from rich supporters in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

ISIS’s jihadist ideology and methods are barbarous. Its brutality includes summary executions, crucifixions, beheadings, abductions, forced conversions to Islam on penalty of death for disobedience, and the trafficking of girls as sex slaves. But added to their savagery, which knows no bounds, is their command of 21st century Internet technology to widely broadcast their brutal acts as a way of instilling fear in their “infidel” enemies and propagandizing their exploits. An additional worry is the probability that their conquests will enable them to obtain weapons of mass destruction, such as toxic chemicals stored in the conquered territories, as may have already happened. The result, as United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon told reporters on August 12th, is that “the poison of hatred and brutality is spreading.”

Despite the rapid spread of ISIS from its expanding bases in Syria back into Iraq where ISIS had begun its operations, President Obama essentially sat on his hands. Iraqi officials began requesting almost a year ago that the U.S. carry out drone strikes against ISIS while ISIS was still in the process of mobilizing its forces. U.S. intelligence and military experts also warned of ISIS’s rising threat. Drones could have struck ISIS fighters as they were establishing bases in Iraq’s western desert and then moving convoys across the desert – all before ISIS reached any major civilian population areas. Obama refused to take action.

“This was a very clear case in which the U.S. knew what was going on but followed a policy of deliberate neglect,” said Vali Nasr, the dean of Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies and a former State Department adviser on the Middle East. “This miscalculation essentially has helped realize the worst nightmare for this administration, an administration that prided itself on its counterterrorism strategy. It is now presiding over the resurgence of a nightmare of extremism and terrorism.”

President Obama’s assertion last week that U.S. intelligence had under-estimated ISIS is patently false and just a cover for his own indecisiveness.

When Fallujah fell months ago, Obama still did little other than to increase some military aid to the Iraqis. There was still no direct use of American airpower to stop ISIS. The ISIS threat continued to grow exponentially.

When Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city, was captured by ISIS in June and Christians there were being killed or displaced if they refused to convert to Islam, Obama remained his usual laid-back self. More study and analysis were needed, he concluded. Aside from sending a few hundred military advisors to assess the situation in Iraq and provide training to Iraqi forces, as well as some Marines to help guard U.S. facilities, he continued to watch and wait.

The president waited because he did not want to be seen as sending U.S. military forces back to Iraq after he had kept his campaign promise to withdraw all troops. He has also derided the capabilities of ISIS, comparing it to a junior varsity team. “If a J.V. team puts on Lakers’ uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” is how the president trivialized the ISIS threat. And he has blamed its rise on the lack of an inclusive government in Iraq.

However, President Obama’s hand was finally forced in the last week by an impending genocide of Christians and Yazidis in areas controlled by the Kurds in northern Iraq that ISIS was overrunning, and the imminent risk to American personnel located in the Kurdish capital of Erbil which ISIS forces were fast approaching. Thus, on August 7th, President Obama authorized the U.S. military to launch air strikes against ISIS jihadists in these areas and to airlift emergency humanitarian assistance to Yazidis stranded on a remote mountainside. In remarks he made from Martha’s Vineyard, where he is vacationing, President Obama reported that U.S. air and drone strikes have been successful in slowing the ISIS advance. The U.S. is also sending weapons directly to the Kurds, whose Peshmerga fighters have begun to push back against ISIS and have retaken several towns. This decision to bypass Iraq’s central security forces and deal directly with the Kurds is apparently a reversal of previous policy. The State Department had reportedly refused to permit direct shipment of arms to the Kurds from a U.S. company whom had been contacted by the Kurds requesting such weapons.

Yet despite President Obama’s welcome but belated action to intervene more directly against ISIS, the Obama administration still refuses to see ISIS as part of a larger global jihadist threat that is a direct danger to the U.S. homeland. The administration still views ISIS through the lens of a regional conflict over territory and power that has gotten out of hand because the Iraqi government has not been sufficiently inclusive.

Ben Rhodes, Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor, posted on the White House blog a ludicrous attempt to distinguish al Qaeda and its spin-off ISIS (which he refers to as ISIL):

Is ISIL more dangerous than al-Qaeda right now?

While both are terrorist forces, they have different ambitions. Al-Qaeda’s principal ambition is to launch attacks against the west and U.S. homeland. That’s the direct threat that we have taken direct action against for many years. Right now, ISIL’s primary focus is consolidating territory in the Middle East region to establish their own Islamic State. So they’re different organizations with different objectives.

Implicit in Rhodes’ comment is the fallacious assumption that ISIS would be content with “their own Islamic State” carved out of territory in the Middle East region and that their caliphate ambitions pose no direct threat to the U.S. homeland. ISIS now already controls territory larger geographically than Great Britain and rules over six million people. But if Rhodes thinks that ISIS would stop there, he is living in an alternative universe. Both al Qaeda and ISIS are driven by the same jihadist goal of a world-wide Islamic caliphate.

In other words, ISIS and al Qaeda follow the same jihadist ideology, with the same objective of establishing the worldwide supremacy of Islam and submission or death of all infidels. Neither has an interest in participating in any sort of inclusive government. Indeed, they both reject the very idea of a self-governing democracy or compromise with those whom they consider infidels. And the only limiting factors on their continuing expansion are their weaponry, number of recruits and finances.

If anything, ISIS poses more of a threat to the U.S. than ISIS’s parent al Qaeda because it has managed to create a well-armed, well-financed army with control of large swaths of territory from which to further expand and to plot much wider ranging assaults. Moreover, as hard as it is to believe, the sheer brutality shown by ISIS reportedly even disturbed al Qaeda leaders.

Rhodes went on in his blog post to deny that the U.S. is at war with the jihadists. That is certainly not the way ISIS sees it. As one of its followers declared in a video released by ISIS, “Our message to the entire world is that we are the soldiers of the Caliphate state and we are coming.”

Rhodes is simply reflecting the fallacious assumptions that underlie President Obama’s feckless policies in dealing with the Islamic supremacist ideology of jihad. It is pre-September 11, 2001 thinking, the same turning of a blind eye when Osama bin Laden had declared war against the United States during the 1990’s. ISIS is doing the same now, and building a more dangerous base from which to launch their deadly attacks against Americans than Osama bin Laden had in Afghanistan.

In short, the strategic objective of the United States in fighting against ISIS is not for the sake of Iraq, whether it has an inclusive government or not. The strategic objective is to cripple ISIS enough to prevent it from wreaking a repeat of 9/11 or worse on the U.S. homeland.

If you’re going to end up using nuclear weapons, why not start with them?

The Caliphate’s capital Raqqah has a population two thirds the size of Hiroshima’s in August 1945.

Americana

If this were true, the Russians would never have fought in Afghanistan without using nuclear weapons. If this were true, Russians wouldn’t have done a ground incursion to take over Crimea.

JIMJFOX

Afghanistan? Crimea? These were NOTHING compared to the ISIS threat. Why would you nuke a place you want to take over? Because you enjoy the radioactive fallout? Leave that pleasure for the remnants of ISIS.
Japan was different- very small devices, short-duration fallout, not like a 250kt Tomahawk…

Americana

No country will choose to unleash nuclear weapons again in warfare because that means the nuclear barrier in war is then crossed forevermore.

SCREW SOCIALISM

No country?

You forgot about Fascist Iran and NGO terrorists gangs like Al Qada, ISIS.

They already say they literally crave death.

I say announce that Mecca is on the Target list.

In fact the Islamofascist Ummah is Target Rich.

glpage

When Iran has its weapons and it thinks the time is right it will use nukes.

Pete

“No country will choose to unleash nuclear weapons again in warfare because that means the nuclear barrier in war is then crossed forevermore.”

The Great and Wonderful General America says there is Zero risk.

While other say that risk exists. Any risk of 1% or above is of great concern. Any risk of 3%, 5% or 10% is very concerning.

“What are the chances of a nuclear world war? What is the risk of a nuclear attack on United States soil? The risk of a child born today suffering an early death due to nuclear war is at least 10 percent, according to Martin Hellman, a tall, thin and talkative Stanford Professor Emeritus in Engineering.

Of course I’m being optimistic, what else can one do given the situation? I’m sure if the U.S. gets intelligence there is a country somewhere that has decided to use nuclear weapons, the U.S. will find some way of disrupting that attempt. Whether it involves the U.S. resorting to using nuclear weapons against the nuclear aggressor, I’m not so sure we’d do that.

Pete

“I’m sure if the U.S. gets intelligence there is a country somewhere that has decided to use nuclear weapons,”

Big If

It took them 10 years to get Usama he used couriers.

Very hard to track couriers with sigint.

Dawala the Islamic banking system can be ran non-electronically.

So why are you so optimistic?

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Has it been conclusively determined that the Pakistaini government was complicit in providing OBL w/a safe haven? Because I find it hard to believe a gigantic walled fortress could be built in Pakistain without anyone noticing.

Pete

It is a walled compound. Meaning it has a wall 6 feet to 8 feet or 10 feet or thereabouts. When you get to the Mediterranean countries it is de rigueur. Of course that spread with the Spanish and Portugese. when you go to south America the houses are mostly walled. We are talking about 3 strands of barb wire, concertina, embedded broken glass, gates and guard dogs.

Right about now Usama is wishing he would have had some dobermans or German shepards to warn him of the operators. but hey live by the book die by the book.

Roman houses were walled from the public. Millenia later it is the same in the Med and the middle east. the more crowded it gets, the more the walls go up.

I saw the compounds of the leaders of china in Beijing. They had walls of course. The walls were painted a drab grey. They did want to look wealthy, i could have fired an egg on a person they were so mad. the walls kept the wealth and partying hearty from view, but people knew what the walls were for.

Wall are not just to keep out burglars. They are to keep envy from a fever pitch. Walls are everywhere.

The Pakistanis knew he was there, but no because his house had walls. the walls were normal.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

The walls were 10′ to 18′ high. Wouldn’t construction workers find it strange they were building security doors that covered blank concrete walls?

Pete

Has it been conclusively determined that the Pakistaini government was complicit in providing OBL w/a safe haven?

What is a Pakistaini?

believe the Pakistani ISI knew OBL was there. you can believe what you want. The wall height might be a give away or it might not be. It depends on what is de rigueur in that town/area.

The workers might talk or they might not. Does Pakistan have a”see something, say something” campaign? or would a worker or contractor thing if I talk bad things might happen?

Does the ISI or other agency survey the country on a regular basis? The army has its own city west of the capital, Rawalpindi or something. It s for convenience and patronage. there is a lot of patronage n the corrupt Pakistani society. but they army soldiers also live on a city for safety. So do they get out much, to see what is new?

Drakken

YAEHHHHHH ! More rainbows and unicorns logic from you, how comforting.

Habbgun

She was supposed to bring her “merely neutral” act to Dailykos. I guess it didn’t happne.

Pete

Of course I am being optimistic …

Habbgun

I don’t like the drawing. No anatomical explanation of all the toxic gas.

Pete

Hey did not Americana brag about having big biceps?

The above cartoon has big biceps. Hmmm, I wonder.

truebearing

No, you’re being delusional.

Johnnie the Jew

Under your guidance, NO. That’s the problem.People like you. All options should be on the table. But, you, being as erudite and well read as you purport to be obviously realise this stark reality and quiver and shake like a throw away barbie doll in your intellectual bunker – the bathroom!

Drakken

!!!!!!!!!

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Does anyone doubt the various islamic terrorist groups wouldn’t hesitate to use nukes? OBL stated he wished 300,000 US citizens had been killed on 9-11, then there’s the genocidal “authentic” ahadith that call for extermination of Jews.

Pete

General American, the Brit, who eschewed university in England to become a hobby farmer, has told us the risk is ZERO, goose egg!

Low is greater than zero. If it is 1% it is significant and if they use a nuke you can rest assured they will open up with everything else. It will be a full court press.

Think you’ll find they can quickly and easily be mounted….
After The Big Zero has gone, of course.

Webb

Perfect. It’s time to start!

truebearing

ISIS is proving Obama to be a liar, despite his every effort to enable Islamists with his insidious passivity. Islamic irony at its finest.

We will see which loyalty is strongest for Obama. Will it be to ISIS, the success of the Democrats in the upcoming elections, or to himself and his legacy? It certainly won’t be to any of the victims of ISIS or the United States.

Americana

No irony needed viz Pres. Obama as to the situation. It’s far more ironic the U.S. and the U.S. armed forces spent umpteen BILLIONS $$$ preparing and arming and training the Iraqi army only to have the Iraqi army make deployments of forces to far-flung cities that couldn’t withstand ISIS.

Arf

Yes, great point Americana. I would add that all the expensive training in the world cannot undo culture. There is a great article on the internet and is easily googled: Why Arabs Lose Wars” by Norvell B. De Atkine (Middle East Quarterly, Dec.1999). It is extremely enlightening.

truebearing

That isn’t irony. It is a testimonial to the failed idealism of Bush, the pathetic cowardice of the Iraqis, and the utter failure of Obama to act as a CIC.

top

Kudos to the french, who bombed the Islamists in Mali back to the stone-age! And just in time…..top

uleaveuswithnoalternative

I’ve come to the conclusion that the “President” (and I use that term lightly), Congress and the Senate are all complicit in the planned downfall of the United States.
If I as a mere layman, have read the Quran, the Sunna and the Hadiths and fully understand Islam’s hegemonic ambitions and its barbarous methods and tactics, how much more must our government officials understand the problem?
The President, Senators, Congressmen and the intelligence community can NOT plead ignorance, surprise or ineptitude; they have access to the best information in the world and still take no action to protect the US or its citizens.
Our military is being dismantled and the Senate and the Congress remain impotent and silent.
Our borders are open and no action is taken to close them.
No, none of this is happening by accident.
Our leaders want control and power and following the Constitution of the United States is an impediment to that power.
The dismantling of the United States and the elimination of our freedom is well under way and has been for quite some time.

Dredrick

BO: Um…I didn’t…um….build that. Now watch this drive!

wildjew

I find myself in partial disagreement with Joseph Klein who ended with:

“In short, the strategic objective of the United States in fighting against ISIS is not for the sake of Iraq, whether it has an inclusive government or not. The strategic objective is to cripple ISIS enough to prevent it from wreaking a repeat of 9/11 or worse on the U.S. homeland.”

I agree we need to protect the U.S. homeland but I disagree with the implicit idea that we do not have moral obligations here. It was the United States who invaded Iraq in 2003 overthrowing a brutal dictator. But Iraq was “fairly” stable then. Non-Muslim minorities were more or less protected from murderous persecution then. Standing idly by the potential slaughter of all these peaceful minorities as Barack Obama is essentially doing is repugnant to me. We can help them. We should help them. Former president Bush sought to implant democracy in Iraq — at the time some of us thought democratization of Islam a bone-headed idea and it is bearing terrible fruit. Now Iraq is Obama’s responsibility. He should act to help stabilize Iraq. He must act to protect these defenseless non-Muslim minorities.

Joseph Klein

A very good point.

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

I don’t quite agree with you on this one, wj. Saddam had brutally slaughtered minorities during his tenure. He was kept in check by measures taken by the Clinton administration. The Kurds are indebted to us in this regard. However, Clinton’s Iraqi boycott limited resources that in the end hurt Saddam’s enemies more than Saddam. Hundreds of thousands died. Prior to 2003, key Democrats admitted the failure of leaving Saddam in power. Bush had every reason to believe his intervention would have bipartisan support and it did prior to Howard Dean’s run in the primary.

The Clinton-Blair policy of “humanitarian interventionism” was adopted by Bush and I question the prudence of this policy. An America-first policy would limit our military aid to those nations who can help us militarily. Obviously, Israel and Europe fit this category. What value to us is Iraq? The Kurds can be of some value fighting the Islamic Caliphate. However, the main show is between the Iranian-back Shiites and the Gulf-backed jihadi. We have to be careful of indirectly helping one when fighting the other.

wildjew

Jason, I cannot disagree with some of your points. There is much controversy over American policy with Iraq. I’ve got a book on my shelf entitled “Spider’s Web: The secret history of how the White House illegally armed Iraq,” by Alan Friedman. I am sure there are Reagan – G. H. W. Bush supporters who will dispute Friedman’s work. Friedman wrote: “The Iraqis would frequently order BNL (Atlanta) to provide funds to finance huge petrochemicals complex called PC2, located about seventy kilometers south of Baghdad, near natural gas feeder lines that came from the southern oil fields. PC2 was to be the pride of the Iraqi military establishment because it had the support of contractors from the United States, Japan, Italy, France and Britian….it would be dual use. This meant it would be able to generate chemical compounds needed to make mustard gas and nerve gas as well. The general contractor on PC2 was the Bechtel Corporation, a familiar name when it came to Iraqi business….” (pg 117) So it looks like there was plenty of blame to go around.

By the time G. W. Bush (I voted for him in 2000) and his people were building the case for invading Iraq, I had pretty much lost confidence and faith in him because by then he made the establishment of a Palestinian (no question terror) state in Israel’s heartland a formal goal of U.S. policy, I learned later a result of a pledge he made to then Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, late August 2001, days al-Qaeda (financed by Saudi charities) attacked the United States. Beyond Bush’s pledge to establish a Muslim-enemy state in Israel, Bush misled the American people about Saudi Arabia’s role in the September attacks and he unconscionably misled the American people about Islam itself.

I am not arguing Bush was wrong to remove Saddam – though there was no substantial connection to the September attacks established, Saddam’s regime was a state sponsor of terrorism. I think it could be argued Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and maybe Iran were more directly involved in the attacks. What I am arguing is that states (particularly world empires; yes America is still an world empire) have moral obligations beyond pure self-interest. I understand most diplomats, politician, etc., believe nations are and should be guided strictly by self-interest. I disagree.

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

Daniel Pipes argues that Reagan’s policy of shifting support back and forth between Iraq and Iran was a prudent way of keeping either from dominating the other. Recently he advocated doing the same in Syria: help the losing side to keep the war going so that our enemies can kill each other. Interesting thought. I think it would be too much for the American people to stomach actively supporting these vicious factions. But I appreciate his motivation. I favor self-interest in foreign affairs. We’ll have to differ on this. PS Interesting history on Iraq!

wildjew

You are talking about Muslim (Sunni) vs. Muslim (Shiite), both want to destroy us. But what about defenseless non-Muslim (particularly Christian) minorities. Shall we sit idly by and watch their slaughter by Islamic savages because it is not in our self-interest to help them?

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

I’m not for our government taking care of people around the world … neither in Iraq nor Rwanda, Kosovo nor Tibet, Georgia nor Sri Lanka.

wildjew

OK, so you would do less than Obama is presently doing. No food. No water for the Yazidis on the mountain where they face dehydration and starvation. No help for Christian minorities fleeing to Kurdistan. No arming of the Kurds? I saw Dennis Kucinich on Fox News earlier. Kucinich blamed all the chaos in Iraq squarely on Bush but the anchor would not let him get away with that answer so he kept pressing Kucinich what he would do “NOW.” Nothing. Kucinich would not lift a finger.

El Cid

This thread “is talking Turkey”, is it not?

Do we fan the flames of conflict to destroy our enemies, or do we export our way of life and values?

It seems if we are seen doing the former, the people will not believe in the latter.

wildjew

Isn’t that what former President Bush sought to do; export our way of life and values to the Muslim world?

SCREW SOCIALISM

ISIS needs to be confronted and defeated and HUMILIATED.

Humiliation is a powerful weapon against Islamofascism.

wildjew

Agreed. Overwhelming force. That means boots on the ground again for a time. But I don’t trust this dangerous president will do the right thing.

Drakken

Ever see what an ArcLight Strike can do? You don’t need boots on the ground at this point but you sure as h*ll can get quite a few B-52’s up in the air to make them scurry like rats on a burning ship though. You just have to have the will to use massive disaportionate force to get the job done.

wildjew

If it can be done from the air, I am all for it. Why sacrifice any American young men to destroy these savages? My fear is Obama does not want to destroy them. My fear is he secretly supports what they are doing.

Drakken

The problem with exporting our values and way of life to a culture that wants nothing to do with it. East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet. It comes down to the very simple equation of them or us.

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

Yazidis can’t help us. Kurds have held their own during the last 20 years and can be of some use to us.

wildjew

You are looking at this from a pragmatic viewpoint. I must confess part of my worldview is shaped by the Na zi Holocaust; the persecution of Jews in Germany that led to it. One author wrote: “A Fortune magazine poll in April 1939 found that 94 percent of Americans disapproved of the way Germany was treating the Jews, but 83% opposed lowering the immigration quotas to admit refugees. Only 8.7% favored admitting refugees.” Like Obama, FDR knew the mood of the public and he acted accordingly throughout the war.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

There is evidence that the Yazidi are ethnically Kurds, but because they aren’t muslim, they’re nothing but fodder in the Mid-East.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

The Kurds are muslims. Why should anyone in the najjis kaffir world fund people who subscribe to a totalitarian, Jew hating, supremacist death cult again? I haven’t noticed the muslim Kurds doing much for their fellow Yazidi Kurdish brothers either. I’d really like to know what the Jewish Kurds think of their muslim brethren, because I’ve read they’ve all made aliyah.

wildjew

I don’t know much about the Kurds other than what I have seen and read in the news. I guess one can’t believe everything we hear on the news. Fox News contributors are saying we should help the Kurds push back ISIS because they are our natural allies. Wikipedia says Kurds largely subscribe to a kind of mystical or Sufi strain of Islam but I do share some of your concerns. Do they subscribe to a totalitarian, Jew-hating, Christian-hating, supremacist ideology? Do you have a good source I can read on the Kurds?

Arf

Islam in Kurdistan, from what I understand, is not as heavy handed. For instance, women have the right to vote and are an integral part of the military. Kurds fight for their land, NOT their religion. They have been persecuted by Muslim Arabs and Turks so obviously their Muslim religion is not a binding force for them. Although, there probably are Islamic fundamentalists in their country. (And, yes, Kurdistan is for all intents and purposes, a country. The former Iraq is just that.)

As far as the Kurdish Jews in Israel are concerned, for the most part they feel a kinship with Kurds in Kurdistan and express support for the recognition of Kurdistan as an independent country. They are NOT moving back though and the Muslim Kurds in Kurdistan would not want them to do so. There is military cooperation between Kurdistan and Israel and Kurds have docked oil tankers with Kurdish oil at the Israeli port of Ashkelon. I am not sure what the particulars of the arrangement are, I just know that the U.S. is against recognizing Kurdistan as are most Arab countries and Israel is very much for it.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

If the Jewish Kurds have so much love for their muslim brothers they why did they all make aliyah?

Drakken

Ah the Syrian Kurds are rescuing the Yazidi’s as we speak.

JIMJFOX

I hope you’re wrong because frankly if the USA withdraws the world will be at the mercy of Islam. Except perhaps China and Russia, who OUGHT to be allied with USA in the coming global war on Islam.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

I think Russia and China have larger muslim populations than the US in absolute numbers and Russian in both percentage of population and absolute numbers.

JIMJFOX

Chechnya… Beslan… Russia has bigger problems but is not hog-tied by ‘human rights’ as much as we.
China isn’t hog-tied at all, apparently. SOMEBODY needs to give Islam a spanking and I don’t mind who.

Obama is being what he has been since the first day he took office, a dedicated socialist-nihilist who has embraced the evil that is Islam personally and who is out to destroy freedom and individual rights wherever he finds them, both in America and abroad.

That is why he is warm, engaging, with vicious murdering tyrants such as Chavez and Putin, while he snubs or outright hamstrings our allies such as Israel. And why he is doing everything possible to cripple America’s armed forces.

Don’t mistake what Obama is doing for ‘dithering’. He is right where he wants to be and doing exactly what he wants to do.

El Cid

Agreed.
He sees the rise of Islam and his legacy as the President who facilitated it.
In 100 years he sees himself as the hero of the New Caliphate.

Lanna

Exactly right…he doesn’t care that hes ridiculed by Americans, because it will all be worth it to achieve his goals. That’s why hes so aloof and disengaged.

Americana

Oh yes, I can see this.. He’s aloof and disengaged. That’s why he ordered the strike on Osama bin Laden.

Pete

After 3 times hemming and hawing and not pulling the trigger.

Americana

I should hope a President would hem and haw about violating a country’s air space and sovereignty for a lethal wet work mission of this nature. The fact is Pres. Obama decided to do it and the SEAL Team found OBL at home. End of story.

Pete

“I should hope a President would hem and haw about violating a country’s air space and sovereignty”

What sovereignty? Haven’t you hear honey, Libya is a failed state?

They needed us to corral an oil tanker so the Ben Ghazi rebels could not sell oil. They need us for that, but oh noes we can’t have permission to save our own people.

truebearing

He didn’t hem or haw about overthrowing Egypt of attacking Libya for no reason. You seem to live in a hermetically sealed delusion where inconvenient truth is blocked out.

Americana

There were MILLIONS of citizens in both countries that wanted regime change. That means both countries undergoing revolution were (are still) a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO to what the OBL raid involved. Either you’ve got international relations chops or you don’t, but let’s not have you purposely confusing the nature of what those different scenarios involve.

DB1954

Libya was the Hildabeast’s brilliant idea. She put American arms in the hands of Sunni terrorists in Syria when she sent arms to those Libyan “freedom fighters” trying to dislodge Qaddafi.

truebearing

“Either you’ve got international relations chops or you don’t, ”

You don’t.

There were millions that didn’t want regime change, too. In Egypt, the people quickly realized what a horror show the Muslim Brotherhood was, and what an a-hole Obama was for destabilising Egypt to help the islamists. They voted in the military over the MB. Now they hate Obama. Big victory there, eh, genius?

In Libya, Obama fomented and supported an insurrection against an enemy of Al Qeada and the MB. Benghazi was a result, but so was the bloodbath in Syria and now Iraq. Libya is now a horror show run by competing terrorist groups. Syria has lost ell over 100,000 citizens, including most of the Christians, who were mercilessly slaughtered with weapons Obama supplied Al Qeada. Now Iraq is under the control of ISIS, an evil group of terrorist who behead people, rape teenage boys and girls, bury women and children alive, crucify Christians, etc etc.

All of these situations are Obama’s fault, moron.

DB1954

Except that he didn’t do it. He didn’t even know about it. Leon Panetta had the authority to order the OBL mission, though not the President’s permission. He repeatedly requested an answer and finding none forthcoming, Panetta ordered the mission without informing the President until the mission was all but complete.

Americana

What clunky craftsmanship on the fictitious ‘factual’ details of your fictitious storyline…. The fact you can’t even craft a reasonable story line for a major lie like this, it’s pretty silly that you’d try to carry the lie off. Exactly what “… window of opportunity was closing quickly? The only extremely minor window of opportunity I know of… (Let’s see just for giggles if it’s the same one.) wouldn’t have affected the mission being carried out at another time. OBL was a sitting duck in that compound once they figured out there was a high likelihood he was there.

Hahahahaha, I’m cracking up at that oh, so crafty little detail in which you’re suggesting OBL was thinking of leaving the Abbotobad compound! It’s not as if Osama bin Laden was going anywhere. He’d arrived there several years before and he’d never left the compound, EVER. NOT EVER. So this whole fiction you’ve got going is about what aspect exactly of the OBL presence in Abbotobad?

truebearing

“Hahahahaha, I’m cracking up”

At least you’re finally starting to see yourself the way others do.

It’s too bad you have such an aversion to psychology — but we all know why — because you could really benefit from some intensive, around-the-clock therapy.

Americana

Surely that’s better than the **perversion** of misusing psychology as you do… No, ‘attempting to misuse’ would be the better wording… You’re still cracking me up that you’ve tried this and you’ll continue trying this.

Americana

DB1954, we’re all still waiting w/bated breath for that “window of opportunity that was closing so quickly” the President risked losing OBL because it was closing so fast. Please, everyone is really anxious to hear what the “window of opportunity” was and how it works into your whole theory about the OBL raid.

Joseph Klein

True, but his administration transferred ISIS leader Bakr al-Baghdadi to the Iraqis who released him and then looked the other way while ISIS under Bakr al-Baghdadi’s leadership has grown beyond anything bin Laden dreamed of.

Americana

Since you’re an American lawyer, I’m not sure why you’d fail to acknowledge the U.S. legal system hasn’t grappled well w/the terrorist threat. The U.S. legal system has failed to decide on what to do w/the vast majority of jihadis we’ve taken into custody. It’s been paralyzed for years over what to do w/the Guantanamo detainees. That legal limbo has got nothing to do w/a PARTICULAR U.S. administration and everything to do w/the U.S. legal system not wanting to destroy the U.S. system of legal checks and balances by rewriting any part of the legal system to address terrorism.

Drakken

Because jihadist should not be treated to our justice system, they should be brought to the gallows and hung.

Americana

truebearing/Drakken — Then if the U.S. legal system doesn’t want to burden itself w/large numbers of terrorism trials within the mainstream U.S. legal system, and the U.S. doesn’t want to process all jihadi terrorists through the military system, then it had better figure out a legal system/process specific to terrorism. I believe there are some instance where specific jihadi terrorists ought to face civil trial in the U.S. But the fact we are still waffling over what our treatment of jihadi terrorists should be is going to continue to hamper us in the future.

truebearing

I already told you what the answer is. Can’t you stop babbling long enough to read?

Americana

You aren’t the one making the decision about how to handle jihadi terrorists. Much as you’d like to be “the decider,” the decision has to be made at the level of our government and our legal community.

truebearing

More’s the pity. As the “Decider” I would make short work of terrorists and anyone who sympathized with them. I’d appoint Drakken as the Chief (and only)Justice of Terrorism Court. Both the prosecutors and defense attorneys would be chosen from the families of jihadi victims. The court would function seemlessly.

Drakken

I second the motion!

Drakken

Jihadist muslims need to be shot or hung in a proper military fashion, not treated in a law enforcement capacity. because this is war whether we like it or not.

Johnnie the Jew

You’re the one doing all the waffling here dimwit. Verbosity ad nauseum ad infinitis. By the time you get through your bedroom theorising the show will be over. Your books will be burnt and your sand castles deifying western values in shreds. Then what will you do. Some charity work perhaps?

Charles

Amen. They are terrorists, and the Geneva Convention does not apply to them. Except that the political correctness police protect these murderous thugs.

Johnnie the Jew

You’re going a tiny bit soft here Drakken.The best medicine is to boil the savage retards in a vat of pig fat. You have to spook these trogs. No virgins in heaven after we’ve done them up proper stylie in swine juice. It’s a dirty war, so lets get serious.

Drakken

The best way to interrogate one of these savages is to line up 20 of them, shoot the surliest of the bunch and feed him to the pigs out back, the rest really do get rather cooperative after that,or so I have heard.

johnnie the jew

I reckon we’ve got it well covered now Drakken. I like your proposal. Bet it works a treat for all involved. Spectator sport at its best. Take care.

Terrorists don’t belong in the US legal system. They belong in the ground, after a long dose of waterboarding and an extremely short military trial.

truebearing

I think I can anticipate her response with two words: “Yeah, but…”

Americana

As for what happened once we transferred Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi out of our custody, the growth of ISIS is one of those unfortunate confluences of multiple historical streams and it will take quite a bit of luck, skill and planning among all the Western as well as the Arab bloc nations to kick that Caliphate to kingdom come. As things stand, the West is lucky in that the remaining countries in the Arab bloc are NOT interested in the Caliphate. None have embraced the Caliphate announcement and none have offered support to it. Hopefully, those countries will recognize from now on that jihad and that whole aspect of Islamic thinking is fraught w/really dangerous and treacherous pitfalls for societies.

DB1954

That’s because the Saudis know that those who claim to have established the Caliphate, can easily be defeated because of their claim to territorial sovereignty. When the Caliphate’s soldiers have gone far enough, one nation or another will be forced to defend itself, and because the Caliphate can be targeted for destruction by western powers with the military might to do it, the Saudis are simply playing it cool.

Charles

” … the growth of ISIS is one of those unfortunate confluences of multiple historical streams …” Wrong. It is the consequence of incompetence, or a well orchestrated set of actions intended to achieve precisely the present situation.

Americana

Charles really is a somebody who knows an awful lot that even the War College folks didn’t know for sure would happen.Yup, well-orchestrated actions by ISIS and poorly-orchestrated actions by the Iraqi government and Iraqi armed forces.

it doesn’t take much in that part of the world to lose an awful lot of territory when there are only a few major roads connecting a few major cities and very few soldiers are defending those few cities.

Charles

Actions carefully planned and executed …

Drakken

Your defense of the indefensible really is astonishing yet unsurprising coming from a leftist as yourself.

Americana

Your lack of strategic thinking is appalling to me but, then again, you’re a contractor and you’re not paid to think about strategy except on the smaller scale.

truebearing

Lumping lots of words together doesn’t make you a strategist, nor qualified to judge who would be a good one.

I will take Drakkens strategy over your “lets all get on our knees and blow them to make them like us” strategy any day.

Drakken

I could not have said it better myself! Cheers!

truebearing

I’m not sure she wouldn’t screw that up, too.

truebearing

Actually, it is a strategy and one that has been used throughout history. It tends to be very effective if pursued to the end.

Thanks for proving me right. You couldn’t spot a strategy if it was glued to your computer screen.

Charles

Too annoying to keep following this thread.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

I’m certain in any islamic state most anyone here who has been critical of islam would be dead. Because that’s the way your fellow brethren deal w/criticism of their damned, dumb, Jew hating death cult when they have the necessary power to do so.

DB1954

“Your lack of strategic thinking is appalling to me but, then again, you’re a contractor and you’re not paid to think about strategy except on the smaller scale.”

Translation: Your lack of progressive thinking–as we progressives define it–is appalling to me, but then again, you’re a capitalist, a contractor, and you’re not paid to think like I do since you’re not a member of George Soros’ new COMINTERN, that is, the Democratic Alliance.

Americana

I was wondering when someone would get around to trying to roll George Soros into this. Ol’ George isn’t a military strategist either. Nope my evaluation of Drakken’s strategic capabilities lie solely w/him being a Johnny One Note on the HOW, the WHY, and the WHERE of his constant suggestion of Muslim genocide solving everything. It’s got nothing to do w/whether or not I’m a progressive or Drakken is a progressive (inside joke)… As for Drakken’s strategic thinking, he may be a great contractor, but if he was really hot to trot on strategy, he likely would have advanced further up the ranks in the U.S. armed forces. He did what most guys of reasonable capabilities do, he opted for the private contracting job. It pays well, you get the equipment you need if you’re in the right outfit, but it doesn’t require theater-wide strategic thinking.

Drakken

That is why they pay me the big bucks and your paid to do what again? So your strategic thinking is light on thinking and long on mouth. Thanks for playing sweetie, but leave the hard part for people who know what they are doing ok?

Americana

You mean those folks who “know what they are doing” to the extent they lie about the Israeli ammunition resupply being fully executed? I can’t believe you get away w/that crud on this forum. Then again…

Drakken

You certainly run your suck enough and if your good buddy obummer was in front of you, you get down on bended knee and look up him with complete adoration and then blow him. Sorry Sparky but you seem to believe your leftist news sources over what the facts on the ground say, and you wouldn’t know what a 5.66 round is compared to a 60 or 81 MM mortar or the various ordinance and what it is used for to save your life, but hey you know better than me right?

Americana

I’d never argue ordnance w/a contractor. However, I’ll certainly argue your “ordination” as chief FPM anti-jihad strategist as well as other aspects of the Middle East situation w/a contractor who is less than truthful about matters of fact. Where are the stories about the American ammunition resupply of the Israelis having fallen through??? You claimed the U.S. had failed to resupply the Israelis w/ammunition and that the U.S. hadn’t approved a $225 million appropriation for refurbishing the Iron Dome anti-missile system.

If that story of yours were true — that the U.S. had failed to resupply Israel w/ammunition during a war — it would have EXPLODED across the LEGITIMATE news wires if true. You told me I was ignorant about the whole “facts on the ground” business then as well and used the same illogical rationale of me “believing the leftist news sources” BS.

Drakken

Do you understand the fucking difference between parts and ordinance? Of course not, it is all the same to you.
My strategy works every single time it is used, your just too squeamish to handle getting your hands dirty. You call it genocide, I call it what it is, warfare and it works, your way unfortunately to blow them to make the desert rats like you isn’t going to and never will cut it.

Americana

There are multiple stories the U.S. resupplied Israel w/both PARTS and ORDNANCE so, yes, I’m pretty sure I know the difference between parts and ordnance. Now that your false claim is blowing up in your face you’re going to try to lay it on me that I just don’t understand the (effing) difference between the two? It’s pretty easy to tell the difference. Ordnance blows up, parts aren’t supposed to blow up… Anything else I need to know, to, you know, help me differentiate between the two? Being a civilian and all?

Let’s not have you veer off into Neverneverland and start talking about your war plans viz Muslim genocide because you’re too embarrassed to talk about the big fib you told and repeated a few times about the U.S. not letting Israel have ammunition and ordnance. Lord, help him, this man needs to go to confession…pronto. Either that, or give him a general standing absolution for any lies he tells on FPM.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

For a muslim to complain about genocide is hypocrisy defined.

Americana

I’m not a Muslim and I’m not complaining about genocide for the sake of pointing out genocide. I’m suggesting a genocidal war and general purge of Muslims everywhere is a strange solution given the world wide strategic situation and the number of Muslims actually engaged in the “genocide” of other faiths.

The ISIS army has somewhere around 10,000+ men and is growing. None of you knows what ISIS’ actions will bring about in terms of a recognition that promotion of jihad by Islam threatens Muslim stability as well as world stability. Currently, all the remaining Muslim nations are strategizing against the Caliphate and ISIS and none have endorsed the Caliphate in any way. I’d say that’s grounds for strategic optimism.

Pete

“Frankly, I allow for a lot of ‘slop‘ in the geographic limits of the various nations and regions in the Middle East. Why? Because the Islamic area of control has waxed and waned over the centuries and under this latest incarnation, which was crafted by Western governments, it’s difficult to see what role a Caliphate could ever play given the rise of nationalism in all Arab/Muslim states.

As for what I mean by “the war not coming to the U.S. any time soon,” I’m speaking strictly of a large-scale war. I take for granted that we’ll have a rise in jihadi terrorism if things continue as they are. (We should have as many people as possible preparing themselves by taking first aid courses and disaster courses so they’re ready to assist if needed.) ”
– Americana

Does she, he or it not condemn itself?

This is where it retreats to after man back and forth posts over whether ISIS poses a threat and will attack the U.S.

Drakken

Sorry Sparky no fib, no lie and no fabrication, your hero Obummer it would seem, doesn’t know what his own departments are doing and certain individuals didn’t get permission and that has your hero’s panties in a bunch. Ruh-Roh, Comrade Hero Obummer now it would seem needs to be directly informed and permission granted on all transfers regardless of the fact that these agreements go back to the time of Bush the 1st.

Americana

Fine, you’ve made the claim, now please produce the proof. There must be numerous news stories and not just “reportage” such as yours that supports your case. It’s a HUGE issue if it were true, and the Israelis wouldn’t stand for this being quietly ignored. They’d be pushing the story at every news show and journalist they have on speed dial. So, let’s see that LOOOONNNNGGG LIST of published stories proving that the U.S. failed to RESUPPLY ISRAEL IN PLENTY OF TIME to save her bacon. I’m waiting…

Drakken

Maybe if you got your nose out of every leftist newspaper and peace now publication and actually read a few intelligence publications you might actually learn something other than spout the latest leftist goofy peacenik propaganda that you continually do. You can lead a leftist to water but you can’t make a leftist drink, but you sure can use a nice 2 by 4 to get your point across.

Americana

Here’s an interesting story about a Palestinian police ordnance disposal specialist bomb squad guy who was just killed… a few days after his brother was killed.

I thought 120mm mortars had replaced those smaller mortar tubes (especially the 60mm)?

Drakken

The 60 mm is still in use for it is a lot easier to haul ammo for it and is lighter.

Drakken

Your lack of depth and wishful thinking are stupidity on steroids. My shower shoe has more been there, done that and got the t-shirts than what you have done in all your life, so please spare me you complete lack of depth and ignorance.

Americana

The “stupidity on steroids” claim goes right back at ya if you’ve once again made an unsubstantiated claim just because you’ve got a venue and an audience that doesn’t care whether or not you ever produce proof of your assertions. I’ll give you a couple of hours to post some stories, after that I’m calling people at the Jerusalem Post other than Caroline Glick and then I’ll be calling Haaretz for the other perspective on your “story.”

wildjew

Obama orders the assassination of a few high-profile jihadists “on the one hand” (killing many civilians nearby) in order to distract the attention of his supporters and sympathizers. Meanwhile Obama’s policies are furthering the most extreme interpretation of Islam throughout the region. I don’t allow Obama’s sleight of hand to distract me. I see what he is doing to (how he treats) our friends and how he is emboldening our enemies.

Pres. Obama’s policies have no more to do w/the spread of jihad in the Middle East region or in Africa than his golf game is influencing any golf pros on the pro tour. Jihad is coming and it’s been popularized by the long-running Palestinian jihad against Israel. There’s a lot we should be grateful to Israel for but world jihad isn’t one of them.

wildjew

If Obama wasn’t our first Muslim-born president with deep sympathies for the world of Islam, I might agree with you.

excerpts: “The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. (Applause.)……

….my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims…So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed…..And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. (Applause.)

So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America….The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. (Applause.) …. Now, much has been made of the fact that an African American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected President. (Applause.)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 4, 2009
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
ON A NEW BEGINNING
Al-Azhar University
Cairo, Egypt

Americana

There is no doubt that we have a sizable Muslim population in the U.S. Pres. Obama isn’t one of them despite his exposure to Islam during his brief time in Indonesia.

As POTUS, his responsibility is **first and foremost** to the U.S. and to U.S. citizens. Part of that responsibility is telling the Israelis they are indulging in a policy (or policies, plural) that is making it harder and harder for the Israelis and the Palestinians to arrive at a peace deal. If you think that colonization is NOT an Israeli policy, then why complain about Pres. Obama mentioning it? I mean, if the colonization is not happening, it’s not happening, right? But why is it revealed on this web site in several endlessly repeated memes that the Israelis think they can prevent Palestinian statehood by indulging in memes such as the one about “Fakestinians” not being an indigenous people in the area for hundreds of years; by claims that the “Fakestinians” have never shown any desire for statehood; that “Fakestinians” can’t be trusted in statehood right next door to Israel, etc., etc.

wildjew

I do not use “Fakestinians” though I do know ‘Palestinian’ Arabs adopted this term and the notion of a Palestinian people sometime in the early to mid nineteen sixties for political and propaganda purposes.

As to colonization. One does not colonize one’s own land.

Americana

There you go again… It doesn’t matter who you convince in Western societies by repeating that sentence time and again. The people you have to convince of the Israeli “right of return” are the indigenous Palestinians. By calling them “Fakestinians” not only do you disenfranchise them, you piss them off. The fact you are here in the above post claiming that the Palestinians invented the term for themselves to serve political and propaganda purposes is nonsensical.

wildjew

You obviously have a terrible comprehension problem. I cannot help you. I don’t know where you went to school or if you went to school. Please read what I wrote again if need by 4, 5, 6 times.

Americana

No, you point out exactly where the problem is w/my comprehension of your post. And, yes, despite your personal slam about my education and/or educability, I have earned college degrees.

Charles

I don’t doubt you have earned college degree”s”. It is evident though, they are not in history.

Americana

It’s evident your knowledge of history stops right where you’d like it to stop.

Johnnie the Jew

“Educated to the point of embicility” then to quote George Bernard Shaw upon him hearing about someone who could learn a foreign language in 3 months. He-he

Americana

A better description would be “educated to the point of ethnicity.” And that’s true of most of the people discussing the issues confronting the Israelis and the Palestinians.

DB1954

Yassir Arafat was born an Egyptian.

Charles

Again Americana, educate yourself, and you will not consider that very fact “nonsensical.”

Americana

I’m well aware of what the status is of Israeli/Jewish provenance claims on the land, Charles. Barring a true miracle of real import such as God breaking the whole of Israel off from the Middle East’s landmass and floating it out to the middle of somewhere else, your “educate myself” concept is not going to lead to any revelation for me that leads me to say the Israelis have the right to it all.

Drakken

Sure they do, the Victors make the rules, not the losers sunshine.

Americana

The victors wouldn’t have been in position to be victorious nor would the vanquished have been in the position to start a war and be vanquished by the nascent Israelis if the Western powers hadn’t started off the whole process of an Israeli/Jewish national homeland land grant at the insistence of the Jewish nation. So, as far as most of the diplomats are concerned, the mess is not that easily summed up nor concluded.

Drakken

Your point is moot and a really whinny we lost and want a do over. The mess will be concluded once the Israeli’s get over this peace farce and get busy getting rid of the these bloody savages once and for all.

Americana

The point is not “moot” just because you claim it’s moot. The next few years will be extremely interesting if this sort of claim keeps being made.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

The Jewish people also have rights to Medina — which used to be Khybar as evidenced by the holey, infallible texts of islam. When are you muslims going to be giving the Jewish people back their land in Saudi Arabia? Or just recompense for same?

Americana

You’re not increasing your credibility by increasing your regional land claims. Or is this meant as a threat to back the Saudis off from trying to act on behalf of Palestinians? Not sure why anyone Israeli would think this is a good tactical choice. There was a Jewish population in Medina and several other of the major Arab trading cities, but were those cities ever considered part of a Jewish state? Not that I’ve ever seen. Make a case though.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Were parts of Israel ever part of a self-governing muslim state before 1948?

Americana

What parts of Israel had ever been part of a self-governing Israeli state before 1948? The stupidity of this kind of question coming from the Jews/israelis as justification for refusing the Palestinians a state can only be countered by the very same question being asked of the Jews/Israelis.

Eddie_DMC-12

There was autonomous Jewish kingdoms. Jews have been on this land long before anyone knew what a Muslim was and there wouldn’t have been a need to bring this state into existence if there wasn’t an effort to systematically annihilate Jews. The same effort that many Muslims would make if given the opportunity.

Back in late 2000, there were negotiations in place between Bill Clinton, Yassir Arafat, and Ehud Barak. If memory serves me, the Palestinians were offered 97% of the West Bank with the other Israeli 3% being West Jerusalem. It was the Palestinians that refused and gave the Israelis the Intifada for their efforts. It’s not like the Israelis haven’t tried and they aren’t going to agree to a Palestinian state without some guarantee of peace. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have shown over and over again that they aren’t interested in peace. This incident and the act of giving up Gaza only for it to be used as a big weapons cache and launch pad proved to me once and for all that this conflict was never about land. It’s about pushing the Jews into the sea. If Israel was destroyed tomorrow, we would still have ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram and all the other Islamic terror organizations of the world to deal with. Muslims had been conquering territory and slaughtering people long before the existence of the state of Israel and to suggest the existence of this small strip of land with a population of a few million people is the cause of Muslims’ sorry behavior around the world today is absurd.

Americana

Your points about Israel and the Palestinians is why this situation is so tragic, Eddie, because neither side sees the way to granting the wishes of the other. But the fact is, this fight IS over land. The Palestinians are not relinquishing their rights easily because they see themselves as being backed up by allies. The Arab countries have failed in their political and military stratagems viz Israel but the Palestinians have never given up hope of restitution because of those other Arab countries.

If Israel were destroyed tomorrow, you’re right, we would still have ISIS and al Qaeda for a good long while and they’d continue on w/trying to get the Western powers out of the Middle East and resurrecting a Caliphate. That’s why the premature announcement was made of a successfully established “Caliphate.” But the urge to wage jihad in the Middle East came about because of the Palestinians even if other additional aims have gradually been added to the roster of Muslims aspirations.

Pssst shortbus, the ragheads went to war against the Jews,they lost, to the victors go the spoils and no matter what Israel does or doesn’t do, giving land to the ragheads isn’t going to make the jihad go away, that is why my strategic policy always works, no matter how much it gives you a case of the vapors.

Johnnie the Jew

I wonder if she/he has ever fired a gun before ? Missed out on the basics, if not. I’ll have to invite it to New Zealand to indulge in some wild boar hunting. No guns. Just dogs and bowie knives. Hard core. And that’s exactly what’s needed in the forthcoming clash of civilisations. Stay safe.

Drakken

A silly little lefty gets a case of the vapors when anyone gives a jaundiced eye approach to her hero Obummer.
We have so many wild boar in the US these days you can stackem like cord wood on a good day.

Americana

I think I’m already heavily pursuing wild bore (sic) hunting…

Whether or not I’m using a large bore rifle is another question entirely.

Johnnie the Jew

Now that was easy wasn’t it. You could also think/pursue wild boer (sic double sic) in the abstract. Kitchener?. Not that it changed much in the end. I’de stick with a pea shooter if I was you. More manageable in an academically managed armchair away from the frontline up country, of real savage beasts and backward, bumblef*** weirdie beardies.

Americana

I dated a wonderful and wild Jewish boer (sic).

Johnnie the Jew

And was the bore (sic again) satisfactory ? Red was like black in SA back then.

Americana

Lenny is white from European stock from 2 countries. Not going to answer that second question…

Johnnie the Jew

Fair enough Americana. I lived there in the mid 70s for a wee while and they were totally paranoid about blacks and communism, hence my semi cryptic comment. I’m white from 4 different blood lines including Jewish. A mixed race is a strong race – Nietzsche – and with the exception of the Jews, how right he was. Think Roman and British empires for starters. Then the US of A. That great 20th century monolith of western culture, despite the incurable inequalities that will always persist despite the noble and naive delusions of the left. Its Greenwich meantime here, so, Johnnie being nice sometimes, says i’m out of here.

DB1954

I agree that Obama isn’t a Muslim, but he is a Muslim sympathizer, as are you. Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish violent jihadists from those who are alleged to be non-violent Muslims. Jihad will soon appear again in the U.S. It’ll be interesting to see what you have to say when they’ve committed another 9-11 type event.

Charles

Obama was born to a Muslim father, and according to Islamic ideology, he is a Muslim, as well as his own children are. May not like it, but they are and will be considered apostates and condemned to death in Muslim countries.,

Americana

So what? Even more reason for Pres. Obama to not kowtow to Muslims.

Charles

Please Americana, educate yourself. 1. Obama was born to a Muslim father, therefore he is Muslim from birth. Whether he is a pious and practicing Muslim, only he knows. He says he is a Christian, and may consider himself one, but he also knows that under Shariah he is and will always be a Muslim. Period. 2. Regardless of all the efforts Israel may make to make peace with “the Palestinians,” they, as well as the rest of the world who understand the truth, know there will never be peace, simply because “the Palestinians” are Muslim Arabs, whose only interest is the eradication of Israel from the face of the earth, and the annihilation of all Jews. Period.

Americana

There are many Muslims who are born of a Muslim parent who never adopt the faith. There was just recently the example of a Sudanese Christian woman married to an American who was convicted of apostasy and sentenced to death. Like many of the conflicting legalities in Islam, the PCP claims that there is no death sentence for apostasy in Islam.

As for whether or not there will ever be peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, there are all sorts of claims about “eradication of Jews” but it’s rather a moot point if the Palestinians would be all hot about killing Jews if they weren’t in Palestine. Somehow, I don’t see the Palestinians getting on planes and jetting off to kill Jews all around the world until all Jews everywhere are eradicated. The Palestinian interest in killing Jews revolves around the Israeli Jews having been given a huge amount of Palestine.
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The rights group also said it will continue to urge the Sudanese authorities to repeal provisions that criminalise acts of apostasy and adultery so that nobody else in Sudan has to endure the same ordeal as Ibrahim.

The US state department said today it welcomes the release of Ibrahim and called on Sudan to “repeal its laws that are inconsistent with its 2005 interim constitution, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights”.

“These actions would help demonstrate to the Sudanese people that their government intends to respect their fundamental freedoms and universal human rights. And as you know, this is a case we raised quite frequently with the government there and welcome today’s news,” deputy spokesperson Marie Harf told reporters.

The Popular Congress Party (PCP), led by Islamist figure Hassan Al-Turabi, previously described the death penalty against Ibrahim as “a scandal, extremism, and intellectual backwardness”, saying there is no punishment for apostasy in Islam.

Kamal Omar, PCP’s political secretary said at a press conference last week that freedom of belief is an asset of Islam, noting the death sentence against Ibrahim is a violation of the basic principles of Islam.

He emphasised that PCP leader and members are against the conviction of Ibrahim, describing the judge who issued the apostasy sentence as “ignorant”.

So there is no penalty of death for apostasy under Islam, eh? Let’s see what Allah himself has to say about it.

Qur’an (4:89) – “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

Qur’an (9:11-12) – “But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief – Lo! they have no binding oaths – in order that they may desist.”

These are just two examples from the Quran. Here is another two examples from Al Bukhari, Islam’s most trusted author of Hadith:

Bukhari (84:64-65) – “Allah’s Apostle: ‘During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out
from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'”

Seems pretty obvious to me. Now who should I believe? Allah, Mohammad, and Bukhari or the leader of PCP? Renowned Islamic scholars agree based on the Islamic texts that the penalty for apostasy is death and is part of Islamic law. This leaves us with one of two possibilities. Either Mr. Al-Turabi and Mr. Omar are ignorant of their own religion or most likely deceptive and knows that people such as yourself will spread this politically correct
nonsense. The death penalty for apostasy has been a part of Islam since the beginning 1400 years ago and isn’t going to change now. According to Islam’s most trusted sources, Mohammad the prophet of Islam, was a mass murderer, a rapist, misogynist, pedophile, torturer, slave trader, thief, and an assassin. Killing an apostate is certainly not below this savage and his alter ego, Allah. As Mohammad once said, “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Webb

There we go — world jihad is Israel’s fault. From the odious Jew hating hag.

Americana

No, that is not what you should be taking away from that comment. What you should extract from that comment is that the Palestinian jihad has been going on for so long and has so dominated all forms of Muslim social media, it now infests the Muslim cultural landscape from one end of the globe to the other. This pervasive emphasis on selling the nobility of jihad is causing more jihadis to spring up everywhere. Where did Tamerlan Tsarnaev initially want to do jihad? Palestine. But he chickened out because of the language barrier.

nightspore

Tell that to the people in Singapore, or the Thais, or the people in India, or the survivors of the Algerian civil war. (Speaking of India, do we blame the 10-12th century Muslim invasion of India on Israel? And was Charles Martel Jewish?)

Americana

This isn’t meant to be a slam of Israel so no need to become defensive. The popularization of their jihad is the nature of the Palestinian frequency in the news and their use of social media. Given the Muslim ummah and the sociology of Muslims, this current situation was coming from the very beginning of the Western entrance into the Middle East and the recreation of Israel. There are hemispheric influences unique to the major jihad movements. The African flow of jihad is quite different from the Middle East jihad.

India is a situation almost unique unto herself because of her religious friction and the eventual partitioning of Pakistan. You won’t get any argument from me there is friction because of Islam’s tenets and desire for social hegemony. But because of the way Israel was resurrected, there are conditions unique to the present day jihad situation in the Middle East that can’t be denied.

Americana

Many of the U.S. assassination attempts under Pres. Obama have killed family members of the jihadist who’s the target of the raid. Some raids have killed numbers of civilians because the wrong target was hit. Many of our drone attacks don’t have the luxury of the Israeli humint that helps target Hamas and Fatah terrorists in the Palestinian territories.

I don’t allow political sleight of hand such as your post to distract me from the realities of the Obama administration. His actions are NOT “emboldening our enemies.” That ship left port a long time ago for the U.S. and for Israel. The fact Israel simply doesn’t want to confront the realities of a larger jihad is her geopolitical cross to bear. At one time, the Palestinian jihad was manageable because there weren’t all that many interested in jihad in surrounding regions. Sure, Israel successfully prosecuted the wars the Arab bloc brought and has successfully faced the Palestinian jihad. But Israel was able to do that because of the ability to contain the jihadists within the Palestinian territories for the most part. Israel has always prevailed through strategic smarts. The overall Muslim jihad is no longer contained just to the Palestinians and Israel must now rely on forging new alliances w/the Arab bloc. Perhaps this will eventually yield unexpected benefits w/the Palestinian situation.

truebearing

It took him many months and the constant prodding of Panetta. There is even a fairly credible account of the killing of Bin Laden where Panetta actually made the decision because Obama was too indecisive. He was probably partying and smoking crack.

Americana

Lordy, truebearing, but you just don’t quite on this crap. Leon Panetta is not the President, Panetta is the National Security Advisor. The POTUS is the one who orders attacks, especially attacks on foreign soil. The courier was doing just fine w/his evasion techniques until the CIA spotted the Abbotobad, Pakistan compound and started focusing on it. The courier was using the very same tactics for the 10 years Osama bin Laden was in residence which is a pretty long time to remain hidden. The fact the CIA finally tracked down Osama bin Laden via multiple means is simply good intelligence gathering and isn’t the fault of the courier. Why on earth would you suddenly proclaim OBL a liability for al Qaeda? How silly. That’s like saying any high-profile jihadist finally becomes too hot to handle for their Mother Ship. Besides, if that were true, why is it Ayman al Zawahiri isn’t considered a big-mouthed liability?

As for the SEAL Team 6, they went on a mission without a second cover helicopter. What’s the surprise they were shot down w/an RPG? That’s not a mysterious situation.

truebearing

Obama isn’t a fully functioning president, in case you’re too dull to notice. He never writes his own legislation. He jobbed out Obamacare to the Center For American Progress — his real administration. He lets Eric Holder run wild, violating the laws he is supposed to uphold. He never knows what is going on, and frequently doesn’t attend regular briefings. Don’t tell me it is out of the question he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger. The very fact that it was pulled suggests someone else did it. The lazy, worthless SOB doesn’t do a damn thing but lie and golf.

The CIA was looking for Bin Laden from the start, but they got a break from a courier that didn’t follow standard rules when protecting someone in hiding.

Bin Laden was a liability because he could no longer travel without being spotted. He was way too tall to not stand out.

The fact that Zawahiri is big-mouthed gives us the insight into his level of ego, and ego is why Zawahiri would want Bin Laden out of his way. How terminally naive are you? All criminal organisations kill each other over who gets to be #1. Duh.

I said the SEAL helicopter was “allegedly” shot down with RPGs. There is good reason to believe it was with a Stinger…you know, the manpads Obama and Hillary were supplying Al Qeada in Libya and Syria. There were a number of unusual circumstances surrounding that mission that make some people, including other SEALs — who know more about it than either of us — suspicious that it was a set up.

Americana

Pres. Obama “jobbed” that out to them because there would have been no health care legislation otherwise. That’s indicative of just how entrenched health care is as far as a lobby in the American political and business landscapes. Don’t forget, I know a billionaire whose billions came from being the billionaire CEO of one of the insurance companies. You’re pathetic w/your constant commentary about him spending time on the links. Considering Admiral McRaven was in on quite a few of the meetings on the OBL raid and he says the President was the one to decide, I’ll go w/his statement of fact.

“Considering that Admiral McRaven was in on quite a few of the meetings on the OBL raid[,] and he says the President was the one to decide ….”

Translation: Admiral McRaven was in on an unknown number of meetings on the OBL raid, and he says that it was his impression that the President was the one to decide.

Americana

If Adm. McRaven says he was in on a LOT of those meetings, then he wasn’t in the dark about who said what. In another interview, he stated there was a final poll taken and that the President would get back to the National Security team in the morning. That’s pretty indicative to me that the final decision was taken by Pres. Obama.

Speak of the devil, here’s a story from the Washington Post about the final meeting before the ‘Go’ order was given:
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Clinton was hardly alone in backing the raid, but her support gave Obama elbow room. She made the argument Obama later voiced, when the raid was over: The costs of not taking the risk were higher than the risk itself.

There was no vote at the final national security meeting to discuss the potential operation, on April 28. But participants including Gates have said that Obama went around the table and took a poll.

truebearing

Did McRaven say he in on ALL of the meetings, or just “a lot?” There is a difference, bird brain.

Oh, The Washington Post! Well, case closed. They aren’t biased as h*ll toward the left. Who are you going to cite next, Obama? Obama’s dog (no, not Michelle)?

Americana

If the final poll hadn’t been taken, there’d be those folks in the know who attended those meetings and who attended that final meeting who’d be coming forward to say that’s not how the decision was handled.

You fool. No admiral or general is going to contradict the CIC. Petraeus tried to go along with Obama’s Benghazi lies, too. That doesn’t make them true.

Americana

Tort reform solves ONE ASPECT of the costs in health care and doesn’t touch on any of the others. Tort reform also wouldn’t have solved the problem of people being thrown off medical plans once they’d exhausted their benefits or had had serious illnesses. The umpteen millions of Americans who had been excluded from getting health insurance for years wouldn’t be able to get medical insurance just because tort reform was passed. Go on pretending we didn’t need to have some of those such issues tackled, you’ll continue to look like an ignoramus.

You’ve flunked the fact check test on Benghazi multiple times. In effect, you’ve shown yourself to be a 4F.

truebearing

You’re a commie moron who thinks with ideology instead of a brain. Your 10 million comments are irrefutablte testimony to that fact.

Tort reform would have cured most of the ills of our previous and vastly superior health care system. Parasitic lawyers lined their pockets with lawsuit after lawsuit, driving up the cost of everything to new medical devices to aspirin. Being a superficial imbecile, you don’t understand the extent of the costs generated by excessive litigation. it means money must be spent on insurance, which drives up the fees of doctors, the costs of medicine, a stay in the hospital, the design of a parking ramp, etc ad infinitum. Even without tort reform our previous health care was infinitely superior to ObamaDon’tCare, but with tort reform, the only things we would have needed to fix were restrictions on the where people could shop for insurance and modifications to the rules on existing conditions.

If insurance companies weren’t being forced to constantly deal with lawsuits, premiums would have been much lower, drugs much cheaper, and equipment far more affordable. Morons like yourself don’t understand how businesses work or how wealth is created, or squandered, so I don’t expect you can understand the serial inflation of medical costs by allowing predatory litigation.

There are more people without insurance now than before Obamacare, you f*cking idiot. The quality of care is down. Hospitals are closing. There are less and less doctors. meanwhile, Obamacare has caused an increase in unemployment because companies can’t afford the Marxist scam.

They only grade you’ve ever gotten on anything is an F, and that was too high. Your vacuous babbling on Benghazi amounted to a thoroughly discredited theory that the Joint Chiefs were somehow responsible. Your endless stupidity on the subject was laughable.

There are many ways to describe your narcissistic diarrhea of the brain, but to sum you up in two words, I will keep it limited to two words: fatuous fool.

Americana

You always try to winkle out of detailed discussion by going into detailed abusive insults. Many of the changes you attribute to Obamacare were coming down the pike regardless of what was being done about health insurance or health care. Here’s a National Center for Policy analysis of the effects of Obamacare. Even the NCPA (you do consider the NCPA enough of a free-market info source, right?) says the loss of health insurance through employers was coming. Does that mean Obamacare is the best solution possible? Not at all.

“Your vacuous babbling on Benghazi amounted to a thoroughly discredited theory that the Joint Chiefs were somehow responsible.”

It’s unclear whether you misrepresent what you read because you are unable to understand it or you are unwilling to understand it. The point concerning the Joint Chiefs raised the specific issue of whether there was an existing force in the Mediterranean basin at the time of Benghazi that could have been committed to a rescue. The Joint Chiefs took steps the year following Benghazi to establish such a force at Sigonella; the inference Americana drew therefrom was that this constituted a tacit acknowledgement that no such force existed previously. Nothing about that chain of reasoning suggested that the Joint Chiefs were “responsible” for Benghazi. I had previously chalked this up to dishonesty on your part, but I’m increasingly inclined to accept that you are simply operating out of your depth.

“…but to sum you up in two words, I will keep it limited to two words…”

Yes, that would be the only way to sum anything up in two words.

Fatuous fool, indeed.

Americana

Being unable to travel doesn’t make automatically make one into a liability. It simply makes one a sitting duck. If Osama bin Laden hadn’t been continuing to serve a significant purpose in al Qaeda, why would the courier be flitting around several Pakistani cities sending off messages to the al Qaeda cells EACH AND EVERY WEEK? As for whether al Zawahiri had strategic plans to knock off OBL and elevate himself to the leadership post, it’s rather strange he’d take SUCH A CONVOLUTED PROCESS to out OBL when he could have done something far more straightforward. The CIA didn’t EVEN KNOW FOR SURE it had OBL until the SEALs were staring him down in his bedroom. That’s NOT a plan by Ayman al Zawahiri to out OBL.

As for the SEAL Team 6 conspiracy theory, let’s disassemble that conspiracy theory piece by piece:

One of the SEALs told his parents to delete every single mention of SEAL Team 6 from their Twitter and FB and all social media. WHY? Because the SEAL thought there could be al Qaeda or jihadist retaliation coming from anywhere. Everyone knows how to track people down through their social media use and ALL SEALs and ALL SEAL FAMILY MEMBERS could be at risk by someone in a SEAL family identifying themselves w/the SEALs. But this SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PROTOCOL anyway for the SEALs to observe OPERATIONAL SECURITY. Blabbing on FB that “my son took out OBL” is one really easy way to allow vengeance-minded al Qaeda operatives to come after one’s extended family.

SEALs and SEAL families are like anyone else, they’re game for a good conspiracy theory. It’s possible that the Afghan soldiers who came on this mission were terrorists. But the fact is, the SEALs didn’t take a second covering helicopter. This commentator who wrote the above link made the stupid claim that the Chinook helicopter they were using for this mission “had been made in the 1960s” as if that’s THE CLUE that PROVES this was a set-up. As if we don’t have lots of outmoded equipment being used if it’s still serviceable. It’s far worse that we sent American soldiers over there in UNARMORED HUMVEES and WITHOUT BODY ARMOR than that we sent this SEAL team out on a Chinook. What’s bad about this SEAL disaster is that we sent sooooo many SEALs in one helicopter w/no COVERING help. The SEAL Team likely had conducted many other raids in that Chinook so why would the helicopter suddenly be considered “unusable and a jalopy?” Most stupid of all in terms of supporting his assertions of a conspiracy theory is that the writer brings up the rules of engagement — no shooting at Taliban snipers, no nighttime raids, no shooting into civilian areas — and then conflates them w/the reluctance of the U.S. to confront the issues of green-on-blue shootings by Afghan forces. Aaaaarrrrgghhh, a great conspiracy thinker he’s not.

Americana

My niece and her fiancee married on the beach and used the banquet facilties at the Coronado SEAL base… This insane conspiracy theory didn’t come up at that wedding.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Was an imam proceeding over the ceremonies? Or a mullah?

Charles

You must be either with the White House, the State Department, or working in Hillary’s political campaign.

Americana

Nah, I’m just interested in historical accuracy and clear thinking.

Drakken

Hahahahahahah oh that is bloody hilarious, you read every leftist nitwit and peacenik and take it as gospel, when your not sucking up to whatever Obummer and his minions are doing.

Americana

I didn’t think this following site qualifies as a peacenik or nitwit site but maybe I’m just confused. I’ve never noticed peaceniks or nitwits on the site either. Again, maybe I’m just not looking deeply enough:

Look a little further sparky and then get your hands dirty, then you might get it.

Johnnie the Jew

No, you have to get off your grossly inflated, islamo ingratiating butt and go live into the street to derive the truth instead of parking yourself in the simpering, equivocating confines of the cluelessly inept idiots of social engineering and single lane, multi-cultural surrender

Charles

They were betrayed by this administration.

iluvisrael

and THAT really got all those pesky islamists in line, right?

Americana

No, it surely didn’t bring any jihadists into line but, then again, it wasn’t EXPECTED to make al Qaeda or any jihadists stop their jihads or fall into line. It was meant to say to big wig jihadists like OBL and al Zawahiri that we’ll get you even if it takes time. It was meant to serve the same purpose as the targeted killings by Mossad agents of those Black Sept. guys who committed the killings of the Israel athletes in Munich. “if you commit terrorism against the U.S., we will get you if it takes decades.”

What, it’s admirable if the Mossad does vengeance wet work but it’s not significant and not a powerful statement if the U.S. does it?

DB1954

It wasn’t a ‘strike.’ It was a mission, and in fact, Obama never ordered it. Leon Panetta did.

Americana

Holy Jeebers… where did I use the word “strike” anywhere about the OBL mission? These are the words I used to describe the OBL mission — “…for a lethal wet work mission of this nature.”

When I mentioned other strikes against other jihadis, I was speaking of drone strikes. Need any further clarification?

Charles

Please, there was no way he could have stopped an action that had been in play for years. He has had to walk a very fine line, but as he told the Russian president: “I will have more flexibility in my second term.” And he sure is using a lot of flexibility …

Americana

You’re trying to suggest he would have avoided taking out Osama bin Laden? And you’re doing that by using a statement he made to Pres. Putin? I must not have my conspiracy theory mindset dialed up high tonight. Let me take a moment and just readjust it.

Drakken

You good little buddy Jarett sure did and finally Panetta told her what the deal was and made Obummer make a decision.

Americana

Drakken, go ahead, try floating a source for this statement of yours. Let’s see if it comes from other than a Ouija board or your Magic 8 Ball. I didn’t mention Tarot cards since you’re a Catholic but, surely, you’re not getting these wacky foreign policy readings from Tarot cards?

SoCalMike

He didn’t order that strike although Den Mother Valerie cancelled several requests.
Hillary, Ponetta and a couple of joint chiefs pulled the trigger on the strike and only informed Obama when the team was inside Pakistani airspace.
I think Obama found out on the golf course.
Go blow your hot air at Salon.

Americana

No sources, no nothing, just plain hot air from SoCalMike as proof of his storyline. Yes, I’m convinced. It’s especially convincing when you tell me to take factual posts about the OBL raid and move to Salon.

Got any proof whatsoever that Valerie Jarrett canceled several dates for the mission? No, don’t have any proof? How is that possible? Because there is confirmation from multiple sources of the significant advance planning done by everyone concerned including Pres. Obama being right alongside Admiral McRaven for the raid. Why on earth would there be any kind of final poll done if other than Pres. Obama was going to decide?

Douglas Mayfield

An insightful observation.

Americana

In 100 years, Pres. Obama won’t be thinking about anything, never mind thinking about being the hero of the New Caliphate.

DB1954

I don’t agree. Obama is a Marxist and an atheist, not a Muslim. It’s just that Obama and the leftist Democrats who support him have formed an alliance with certain Muslim groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR. Obama doesn’t have to be a Muslim, and that couldn’t be proved in any case. Obama is sympathetic to Islam because American leftists and Muslim jihadists have many parallel goals. His sympathies for America’s enemies can be demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt.

Johnnie the Jew

As I said before El Ciddo, the cretinous, swine infested Caliphate has as much chance of succeeding as the KKK booking a reggae band to play at their Christmas party. Feel the power.

Americana

The U.S. didn’t “hamstring Israel.” What’s happening now w/ISIS is a matter of long-term Israeli policy viz the Palestinians finally gaining so much momentum the genius (sic) of the Israeli choices over the years is NOT going back in the bottle. Israel may have won the various battles over the years but what’s happening now is the result of the ongoing Palestinian jihad being popularized in the Middle East over decades. The Israelis have thought they were containing the demands of the Palestinians, and they were, but doing what they’ve done as far as preventing a Palestinian state has consequences. ISIS and al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are those consequences. Now Israel and the West have to rethink the entire strategic situation.

Drakken

Israel had nothing to do with Bin laying with the fishes, ISIS or AQ , Your effing clueless. Here let me repeat it for your benefit for the 1,000th effing time, there will NEVER EVER be a pali state period! Do you understand this now? Or are you still a tad thick about the whole thing as you usually are?

Americana

You’re the contractor who’s been wearing his helmet for too long. What do you not understand about the Israelis keeping the Palestinians in thrall for so long it morphed into this situation? Jihad is a communicable disease that the Palestinians spent decade after decade working on communicating to the greater Islamic world. This situation might not have happened in quite this way if the Palestinians had long ago been given a state. It’s likely too late now to stave things off by a peace treaty w/the Palestinians though it would still be interesting to see if it would work. Somehow, I’m pretty sure the Palestinians are no more eager than the Iraqis or the Kurds to end up being part of the ISIS Caliphate. We’ll all just have to face what’s coming.

Jack Diamond

They were eager enough for Hamas in Gaza. Which calls itself part of the international Muslim Brotherhood. Which was founded over the loss of the caliphate in 1924, which had nothing to do with Israel and Palestinians and yet somehow was all about Jihad and conquering the world for Allah. Imagine that. What did Jihad against India or in Nigeria or Sudan have to do with Israel? They had to do with imposing shari’a as called for by Islam. They had to do with Islam dominating and not being dominated. The Muslim world doesn’t even like “Palestinians”, by and large. The Muslim world hates Israel because…it hates Jews and has since the time of Muhammad and scapegoats them for everything that goes wrong in dar al Islam with ever more insane conspiracy theories. Lots of Iraqis have enabled IS, just as Turkey, Qatar and certain wealthy Saudis help fund them.

Americana

The Palestinians attributed more political credibility to Hamas securing provisional Palestine statehood in the U.N. than Hamas deserves. That’s basically the main reason for Hamas gaining any votes over the past election cycle.

Jack DIamond

Hamas has always and solely been about the destruction of the Jewish State and making the (religious) claim the Holy Land is forever an Islamic endowment by virtue of having been conquered once by Islam. It’s Charter says Islam is what will destroy Israel. It says “Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.” Importantly it says “the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion.” Further, It looks forward to that genocidal prophecy that Muslims will kill the Jews to the last one. A vote for Hamas was a vote for war. And genocide.

If Hamas had the free reign in Israel IS has in Iraq you’d see similar behavior.

Americana

You’re welcome to believe that but we all know that there are Palestinians who don’t agree w/Hamas. Like all resistance movements, Hamas has its rabid dogs. Penalizing the entire population in order to control the rabid dog Palestinians might not be the best way to inoculate the Palestinian population against rabies.

Jack DIamond

It actually is the best way, nor is there an alternative given the fact Hamas holds the population hostage, invites and seeks civilian deaths (of course every Hamas fighter killed is called a civilian too), fires rockets, digs invasion tunnels, stores weapons at schools, hospitals, apartments, homes, mosques. So Hamas has rabid genocidal dogs vs. non-rabid genocidal dogs? Are the non-rabid ones those living safely in luxury hotels in Qatar on stolen loot? Both have to go.

Jack DIamond

Regarding IS, they have been so successful because they do have popular support. Sunni Arabs don’t oppose violence against Shi’a or Kurds or Yazidis in Iraq (Yazidis are reporting their Arab neighbors joined in on the violence against them). They have popular support and state support.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

“We all know”, that’s the kind of proof no one can argue with. It’s funny that both Fatah and Hamas have the same goals WRT the state of Israel. What’s the alternative political party again?

Johnnie the Jew

Oh dear me. Here we go again. It would be such a crying shame to hit the wrong guy. The scatter gun approach is the best ointment to apply. Think Kitcheners revenge in the Sudan after the retards took Gordon out back in the late 19th century. They don’t give a flying monkey about us so why are you so obsessed with worrying about a bit of old fashioned collateral damage when it comes to them. Think Emily Pankhurst (just in case you’re womens lib girl?)) or even better Boadicea. If that’s not too strong for your faint hearted sensibilities

DB1954

Would I unmask you if I said you’re Alan Grayson? You think just like he does.

Americana

I’ll have to look up some of his writings so, no, you wouldn’t be unmasking me as him unless he’s wearing a pair of reasonable sized boobs as part of his everyday off-line persona. Somehow, Alan Grayson doesn’t sound like a Mrs. Doubtfire wannabe.

Johnnie the Jew

The Israelis could give all the land back tomorrow and these freakwit retards would still be unhappy. Don’t you realise, there’s nothing really intelligently manageable that you can do with Paleswines. Ask any retired policeman who served in Paleswine during the 40s and 50s. They’re impossible. That’s because they’re really dumb, uneducated, mostly illiterate, completely irrational and basically mentally ill. Sorry, to spoil your equality driven agenda here (not really!!), but your insufferable, turgid, armchair pseudo leftarded “philosophy” sucks. Why don’t you get a day job and check the real world out instead of burying your head in all those clever, but ultimately useless, texts you derive your drivel from. Come the crunch, you’ll probably be holed up in the toilet with the last remaining meaningless texts you put so much faith and sway in. And perhaps a toy, or two.

Drakken

Oh that is bloody brilliant! The average raghead is bloody retarded and less than useless, perhaps Americana would enjoy the joys of their company to shed light on her stab at all thing being equal nonsense?

Americana

No, true, Israel had nothing to do w/OBL being sent to rest w/the fishes. What Israel has to do with is OBL concocting and fomenting his jihad plans on behalf of the Palestinians. Get it? it’s not your choice as to whether the Palestinians get a state or not. So telling me to STFU about a Palestinian state isn’t going to stop the process of statehood. The U.N. has taken the first step of recognizing and acknowledging the Palestinian claims of indigeneity and request for statehood by granting the State of Palestine provisional observer rights in the U.N.

Drakken

You have some serious reading issues and I repeat again for your benefit, since your a tad thick, there will not be statehood for the pali’s, not today, not tomorrow and not next month or not in a year or two, they BLEW IT!

Webb

You’re right. There’s nothing there to create a statehood out of, and there never will be.

Docs357

He’s made it perfectly clear whose side he’s on the laws he’s broke the blind eye to the slaughter. There’s only one thing to do impeach him. Now . He’s not a leader he’s soulless demonic follower

Brad_Brzezinski

The danger is not just “over there.” ISIS is now a winning team and will attract adherents. We should be very concerned about the support they are getting in western countries. This could result in all kinds of attacks for which we are deliberately avoiding preparing. Let’s’ not forget that the Nazis had some success spreading their ideology in the west prior to WWII. This is similar but more deadly.

dotherightthing4

The people heading our administration are fools and idiots with the Idiot-in-Chief being Obummer. Fox just aired a video clip of CIA chief Brennan (the convert to Islam) stating in 2010 that any notion that Al Qaeda would attempt to establish a Caliphate in Iraq and the Middle East was absurd. I believe that miscalculation alone disqualifies him for the job.
Several years ago Christian Amanpour had a debate on ABC news with Daisy Khan vs Franklin Graham and a panel on both sides, At the time they had Imam Chaudery in the UK on satellite link. At that time he ALSO claimed that one day the flag of Islam will fly over the White House. These people tell us again and again what their designs are; their religion dictates it–WHY do our politicians not believe them? I do.

Crazycatkid

They believe them but they like it. They think they are special and will live like little kings with their Islamic buddies. The joke will be on them-but also on all of us.

Obama is a killer at heart and does not value human life – his approval of 3rd trimester abortion and snuffing the life of infants who survive abortion – shows just how cold his heart is. ISIS atrocities against children is just business as usual for the King of Planned Parenthood and homo/bisexual promotion. Obama’s military policies, his rules of engagement have cost lives in the battlefield and at home (ie, Major Hasan). Homosexual assault is now the majority of sexual assault in the military, no doubt increasing the number of STDs, particularly HIV, HPV, herpes and hepatitis. American average income/net worth has decreased 20-30%. Inflation has increased that much or more.
In fact, all Obama’s policies have wrought death and misery for humanity. He has used every agency of government to punish and persecute opponents. If his pattern holds true, Obamacare may be used as a partisan instrument of death for his ‘undesirables’ or those he considers not useful for his agendas.

Rod

Had you written the above “rant” five years ago, you’d probably have been considered a loon. Sadly, what you wrote contains so much truth today that it’s hard to even consider it a rant, just a recitation of the facts at hand.

Crazycatkid

If you have a reference for homosexual assault as the main type of sexual assault in the military – could you please post it here…as I am interested

HOMEY2

IS was and still is funded by QATAR and the SAUDIS-supported by the TURKS–our allies ??-they were never our allies just liars to our face.Let IRAN fight IS–The more Sunni and shhites fight the better.The U.S has never had a winning strategy in Iraq or the middle east–too touchy feely–Remember COIN and Nation Building .IS knows how to conquer and subjugate–and they know how to use captured U.S. equipment.Sell equip to the Kurds since they do fight–The Baghdad army knows only how to run and die as unarmed captives.If a decade of “training” and free equipment hasn’t worked,time to stop doing it.

JIMJFOX

Just nuke the bastards

I know, stupid, not possible… but one day, what choice will there be? That, or submission?

Kebert Xela

Obama chooses submission and John Boehner is afraid of him.

JIMJFOX

Obama will be gone in 2 years; hopefully Clitoness will be defeated and USA will have a chance to regain its self respect. The free world depends on it

Habbgun

“If a J.V. team puts on Lakers’ uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,”

And if an idiot is called Mr. President he is no less an idiot.

Lanna

Sure they’re coming to America, because nobody is doing anything to stop them, including the campaigner, golfer, and vacationer in Chief.

RMThoughts

Is anyone surprised he is “indifferent” to human suffering. Revolutionaries consider human suffering and blood essential to the success of their “fundament transformations” throughout history.

SCREW SOCIALISM

Like Stalins 5 year plans.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Or muahmmud’s transformation of Saudi Arabia.

AbuShy

This so called indifference to Islam is by design. By opening the country and weakening it, we lose. He wins favor and Islamic accolades as the hidden Islamist to destroyed the country that elected him…

Girl

Have Sweden and Norway Recognized The Caliphate yet?

SCREW SOCIALISM

I expect Oslo and Malmo will..

bob smith

Lanna, it is a very safe bet that ISIS will reap havoc in Norway, France, Sweden and the UK. It is but a matter of a very short period of time. Then and only then will the might of the natives unite to destroy these barbarians.

Well Done

There will be a LOT of dead Islamists, and a LOT of dead “women and children”, because that’s what Islamists count on – the people they hide behind being shot and the idiots in the world blaming those fighting Islamists.

bob smith

I am all for killing as many of their women and children if it means having lesser of them to deal with going forward. The sad realization of Col. Kurtz and the synopsis of Conrad’s ‘Heart of Darkness’ was just that, if you try and distinguish who is your enemy based on the fact that women and children are exempt, you are dead.

Muslims deserve death, this is what they live for, conquer in Allah’s name for the conquests of Islam or die.

Die they should, die they must, one and all.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

What about the collaborators and traitors within the world’s dying western democracies? Something has to be done w/them as well. I’d propose the PRC’s punishment for corruption.

Drakken

The walls, ditches and lampposts will be filled with them.

Johnnie the Jew

Well said friend. And lets help them as much as possible on their way to that dead end street called “paradise”

bob smith

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Drakken

That day is coming sooner than anyone realizes because they will make us do it to them for we will have no choice.

Johnnie the Jew

You can count on that from the British. It’ll be the proles who’ll have to take control when our pusillanimous, limp wristed, multi-cultural PC, lefttarded politicians fail the will of the people. Churchill was aware and will go down in history as an enlightened seer of what the hideous, totalitarian, fascist death cult was all about. Bless him.

Vinchenz

We’re just screwed.

Obama is a Fraud – the guy isn’t real – his whole story is made-up.
MSM are his Enablers – they don’t report – they repeat Dem TPs.
Big Biz are his Bankrollers – pay to play.
Fed Bureaucracies/depts are his enforcers – terror to the American People.
US Military – used for Leftist social experiments.
US Public Education – used for leftist indoctrination of the future.
Public Unions – Obama’s thugs and useful idiots for favors.

Danny Noonan-Miss

Great post…pretty much sums things up!

Danny Noonan-Miss

Living in the Southwest, the Open Borders situation is scary. These crazy ISIS folks are no doubt trickling in to the country and planning some kind of attack. Meanwhile, we have politicians more concerned with the plight of the Mexican and South American illegals, who shouldn’t be the focus of concern as they already get free healthcare, free schooling, discounted college, free food, and many other social services. Other than Jeff Sessions and a few other Tea Party and/or solid conservatives, there is really nobody else looking to enforce the law. I never thought I’d see such lawlessness. Plus, Arizona attempts to do the right thing, but is scolded and then sued by the Odumbo administration. Crazy times we live in.

Well Done

You can bet ISIS operatives are crossing the Southern border, and you can bet the 0bama administration knows it. Meanwhile, a thriving hi-tech industry is sprouting in Canada, due to U.S. immigration lagging way behind on green card approvals… but if you’re an illiterate, filthy, born-in-Iran creep crossing from Mexico, you’re in free!

PATRIOT.WW48

Hey, all you off-spring of Ishmael stop all your talking, get on a boat or a plane and come on over here and let’s GET-IT-ON. Nothin’ but a bunch of blwo-hard sand-niggers

PATRIOT.WW48

Every sq. in. of their sand must be turned into glass

Walter Sieruk

Those murderous ISIS Muslims who are engaging in the jihad for Islam will not respond to reason. This is because Islamic fanatics will not respond to reason. Violence is the only language the ISIS members will understand. So violence is the only way to send them a message which they will understand.The message is that they need to stop their deadly and heinous acts of beheading people as well as shooting then and raping, kidnapping and torturing people and let them live in peace. So sadly the sending of missiles is the only way to get that message through. As Thomas Jefferson said “With every barbarous people…force is law.”

Lassiefaire

If you fail under pressure your strength is not very great. Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don’t stand back and let them die. Don’t try to avoid responsibility by saying you didn’t know about it. For God knows all hearts, and He sees you. He keeps watch over your soul, and He knows you knew! And He will judge all people according to what they have done. PROVERBS 24:10-12
… or not done.

Kebert Xela

But our strength isn’t very great. After six years of Obama, our military is gutted, its leadership removed, our allies all insulted and betrayed, our leadership renounced. Heck, the French just suggested Obama was insufficiently engaged with events in Iraq, This, borrowing from John Cleese, is an ex-superpower.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

“an ex-superpower” I’d say not yet. The USN coupled with the USMC can project power all over the world, both under, in and over the water. There’s no single naval force in the world that would have a prayer of taking on the entire USN (outside of employing nuclear weapons). The US may even still have the largest boomer fleet in the world. It’s just too bad that the US federal government is so corrupt they can’t be trusted.

Arf

It is impossible for me to believe that the policies of the United States in the Middle East will not result in a great deal of horrendous terrorism on U.S. soil. The idea that the American people will never have to suffer for the outrageous blunders, miscalculations, arrogance, indifference and stupidity of its government is ridiculous. This occurred over many administrations — not just Obama’s. We have sold out the Kurds and the Israelis before. Sooner or later we will be presented with the bill.

Well Done

Pretending horrid terrorist deeds are America’s fault is simply, patently stupid. There has been Islamist terror for over 1,000 years. “Hindu Kush” means “Hindu death”, a reference to the Islamic invasion of India hundreds of years ago. I suppose that was India’s fault? Step off, fool.

Erudite Mavin

I see down thread comments that all was fine in Iraq with Saddam, Really?

Saddam charged with genocide of Kurds

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds

By Edward Wong

Published: Wednesday, April 5, 2006

BAGHDAD — The special Iraqi court that is trying Saddam Hussein announced Tuesday that it had charged the ex-president with genocide for attempting to annihilate the Kurdish race through military operations in 1988 that killed at least 50,000 civilians and destroyed thousands of villages.

The case is the first against Hussein to address the large-scale human rights violations committed during his decades in power, the same crimes the Bush administration has been publicizing to justify its costly invasion of Iraq.

Six other defendants also face charges. Hussein is already being tried for the torture and killings of 148 men and boys in the Shiite village of Dujail…….

wildjew

All was NOT fine in Iraq with Saddam? Where did you get that. Saddam was a brutal dictator. His regime was a state sponsor of terrorism.

Well Done

It’s the left’s version of events… “not only did Hussein not support terror, but Iraq was fine, jus’ fine, under his rule”. You see it every time Iraq is mentioned, especially in reference to Bush.

wildjew

I heard Rush Limbaugh a day or so back say Iraq (Saddam) was intimately involved in the September 11, 2001 attacks which I do not think was substantiated by investigators. That is one of the things / claims that drives the anti-Bush left nuts.

Erudite Mavin

Yes, he was more involved than most understand
and why we had to go into Iraq.
Have many relatives who fought there and some were the first into Bagdad

That is why I posted the fact that Saddam killed tens of thousands of Kurds with Chemical Weapons.
Some on this site thought Saddam was just fine and why I posted re his attacks.

Erudite Mavin

Is English your second language.
My post was exposing Saddam’s terrorist activities such as
the Chemical Weapons attack on the Kurds.
Others on this thread where giving high fives to Saddam

wildjew

That’s right and as I documented elsewhere here, Saddam was armed with chemical and biological weapons during the Reagan-Bush years as Reagan and Bush officials winked and looked on while Saddam used them on the Kurds.

Erudite Mavin

Your Bill Clinton had 8 years to attempt to deal with him and Bin Laden but was too busy getting blow jobs in the oval office

wildjew

Right, except I am a forty three year registered Republican. I did not vote for Bill Clinton.

DB1954

If you think that Reagan put chemical weapons in the hands of Saddam Hussein, you need to find a different political party, one that’s as fully delusional as you.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

Yet Bill Clinton looks like a conservative next to the zero.

DB1954

So Reagan armed Saddam with chemical weapons that he used on the Kurds? That’s total bs. If that had been true, Samantha Power would have known that and put that in her book. Chemical weapons are easy to make. They were using them in WWI.

wildjew

Why do you twist my words. I did not say “Reagan armed Saddam with chemical weapons. I wrote, “Saddam was armed with (supplied or sold) chemical and biological weapons during the Reagan-Bush years.

Here is what I posted above. Go ahead and refute it. I will patiently wait for your response.

I wrote: There is much controversy over American policy with Iraq. I’ve got a book on my shelf entitled “Spider’s Web: The secret history of how the White House illegally armed Iraq,” by Alan Friedman.

Friedman wrote: “The Iraqis would frequently order BNL (Atlanta) to provide funds to finance huge petrochemicals complex called PC2, located about seventy kilometers south of Baghdad, near natural gas feeder lines that came from the southern oil fields. PC2 was to be the pride of the Iraqi military establishment because it had the support of contractors from the United States, Japan, Italy, France and Britian….it would be dual use. This meant it would be able to generate chemical compounds needed to make mustard gas and nerve gas as well. The general contractor on PC2 was the Bechtel Corporation, a familiar name when it came to Iraqi business….” (pg 117)

“Only when Secretary of State George Shultz left the Reagan administration in early 1989 and returned to the Bechtel board of directors did the company focus on the possibility that it was going to build a plant that Saddam could use to manufacture chemical weapons.” (pg. 118)

So it looks like there was plenty of blame to go around.

DB1954

“That’s right and as I documented elsewhere here, Saddam was armed with chemical and biological weapons during the Reagan-Bush years as Reagan and Bush officials winked and looked on while Saddam used them on the Kurds.”

You need to stop hitting at that bong.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

I wonder what held him back from using them on Israel? Technological inability? I wonder if Saddam was alive during the Farhud pogrom?

Captlee

Yup. Should have done it in the 70’s.

johnlittle

People generally fight for one of two reasons: (1) to take something from another, or (2) to keep another from taking something that is theirs. The ISIS fighters are first of the above categories, and they want, among other things, our flush toilets, our cars, our homes, and our land. I urge you to note that our right to keep them lies in our ability to fight for them.

Further, note that these semi-literates do not want us dead because of ethnic or religious differences. They want us out of the way, so that they can have what belongs to us. If we hand over our belongings to ISIS, or anyone else, we will abdicate our right of ownership.

Clausewitz said the quickest way to peace is to lay down your weapons as the enemy crosses your borders. This surely is the way to achieve peace without fighting. Now, go figure.

Best, John Little, Sr.

kevinstroup

“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam” Who said this?

“We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities” Who said this?

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” Who said this?

Charles

Miscalculation? There was no miscalculation, and there was no “indecisiveness.” Every action has been carefully planned and executed. The only miscalculation and indecisiveness are on the part of Congress, where our representatives in both houses have no idea as to how to react and how to handle this very new form of administration.

Pericles

“The strategic objective is to cripple ISIS enough to prevent it from wreaking a repeat of 9/11 or worse on the U.S. homeland.”

Obama will never believe that another 911 is possible on his watch. Even if it does happen he already has plans to blame it on Bush and the Republican House. Nothing new here! His doctrine: I never make mistakes so they are by default the fault of someone else.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

It’ll never happen until they give up islam.

http://www.racalvinist.blogspot.com/ Kevin V.

I don’t even care if they want to slaughter each other over which way Mo put his underwear on or whatever. I just do not want one more solider like my son to lose his life, limbs or mental health over the airy abstraction of universal democracy. (My son’s fine but he is a soldier)
Enough all ready.

IslamDownpressesHumanity

You either fight them over there, or over here or maybe in both places simultaneously.

SoCalMike

Leftists and Democrats don’t care when the policies they promote and execute get masses of people mass murdered.
This is nothing new.
They did the same thing in Rhodesia by allowing Mugabe to take power.
They did the same thing in Vietnam and Cambodia with the power vacuum they created there.
Was it 2 or 3 million Cambodians murdered by Pol Pot with the geopolitical help of the 93rd Congress?
How many Vietnamese boat people perished?
A million? 2?
And now Iraq.
Obama complains like the faculty lounge bimbo he is pointing the finger at Iraq away from his own dithering academic limp-wristed read on human nature and the fatal nature of such a read when implemented as policy.
“Not my fault…”
Yes, it is all his fault.
Obama is awash in the blood of innocent Iraqis.

beloved infidel

ISIS is late. The flag of Islam is already over the White house.

Joe Blow

Obama is not indifferent to the satanic state nightmare. He supports it.

Drakken

Like a bad habit my friend, I always come back! We always bagem and tagem and best of all, no bag limit. You watch yourself in merry ole England, there be invaders in that fair land these days.

reyol

This “laid back self” of Obama’s was on display back in 2008 during the presidential campaign. And everyone was SO impressed with how cool, calm and collected he was while McCain suspended his campaign and rolled up his sleeves. Now I hope it is apparent to everyone by now that he just doesn’t care.

billcortner

Hi Joe, when you go to that craphole with a rifle and a helmet, I might agree with you instead of you just being an armchair soldier using Americans as cannon fodder for another meaningless war. These Islamic lunatics have been killing each other since the sixth century and they’ll be doing it 100 years from now.

USARetired

The World must wake up to the fact Obama is a devout Muslim and will not take up arms against his brothers unless forced to do so! Don’t believe me? Pay attention!!