I find it strange that the most prevailing topic in the atheist threads are about God and Jesus.Can anyone tell me why?I mean, if you don't believe in God then why spend so much time talking about him?Now if this discussion goes to a subject other than religion that would be amazing. As long as it doesn't degenerate into name calling and stupidity.

I agree with Open Palm's response, would add that most of us aren't concerned with "god" or "Jesus" as much as we're concerned with their dogmatic followers that wish to impose their beliefs on others and have their superstitions influence government and education.

I agree with Open Palm's response, would add that most of us aren't concerned with "god" or "Jesus" as much as we're concerned with their dogmatic followers that wish to impose their beliefs on others and have their superstitions influence government and education.

Anyone of those would be fine. I guess I am just drained from all of the religious debate. Not to mention gay marriage and racism. Just some nice, friendly debate about sciencey stuff or what ever would a decent change.

<quoted text>Anyone of those would be fine. I guess I am just drained from all of the religious debate. Not to mention gay marriage and racism. Just some nice, friendly debate about sciencey stuff or what ever would a decent change.

Indeed LT. How about this to start with perhaps:http://www.newscientis t.com/channel/life/dn14094-bac teria-make-major-evolutionary- shift-in-the-lab.html

I consider this one of the best dicoveries in the past few years. Just my opinion though. Any thoughts? Anyone?

<quoted text>Indeed LT. How about this to start with perhaps:http://www.newscientis t.com/channel/life/dn14094-bac teria-make-major-evolutionary- shift-in-the-lab.htmlI consider this one of the best dicoveries in the past few years. Just my opinion though. Any thoughts? Anyone?

Cool... I am going to have to show that to my Father-in-law, He will flip his wig. Not that he knows what citrate is or anything like that.

<quoted text>Cool... I am going to have to show that to my Father-in-law, He will flip his wig. Not that he knows what citrate is or anything like that.

LOL! Found this on Pharyngula. There is a cool story behind it, about how a creationist tried to get access to the data and the biologists who discovered it turned him down(thats just kinda the gist). Awesome read. If you get the chance I highly suggest checking it out.

There are a lot of important topics that involve the cultural tension between theism and atheism. But there is a tension and an important one for an atheist, because it can cause him social grief. For instance. Can an atheist be moral? Does it make sense? Can he be anything other than a relativist? I have an interest in these questions and wrote a book addressing them. Please, if you would like, check out "The Moral Atheist" available at amazon and barnesandnoble among other places.The book has a defensive thesis and is not a rant. If an atheist would like to know how to defend himself from attacks on his character, this is a place to start.

There are a lot of important topics that involve the cultural tension between theism and atheism. But there is a tension and an important one for an atheist, because it can cause him social grief. For instance. Can an atheist be moral? Does it make sense? Can he be anything other than a relativist? I have an interest in these questions and wrote a book addressing them. Please, if you would like, check out "The Moral Atheist" available at amazon and barnesandnoble among other places.The book has a defensive thesis and is not a rant. If an atheist would like to know how to defend himself from attacks on his character, this is a place to start.

See that is my problem. WHY does an atheist need to defend his/her character. Why can't the religious accept them for who they are as people? I consider myself religious (for the most part) and I have absolutely nothing against people having beliefs different than mine or none at all. I think that the best way I can describe myself is a modereate, independant, christian, humanitarian. But, since you suggested it I will check out your book. If it promotes division and/or insiinuates that people that have a belief system are ignorant, well then I am gonna come back here and give you a serious talking to.:)

<quoted text>See that is my problem. WHY does an atheist need to defend his/her character. Why can't the religious accept them for who they are as people? I consider myself religious (for the most part) and I have absolutely nothing against people having beliefs different than mine or none at all. I think that the best way I can describe myself is a modereate, independant, christian, humanitarian. But, since you suggested it I will check out your book. If it promotes division and/or insiinuates that people that have a belief system are ignorant, well then I am gonna come back here and give you a serious talking to.:)

Good. That's what I would deserve. I don't argue that the religious are ignorant. It is clear that many theists have reflected well upon their position. However, it is not possible to defend the atheist against religious person's arguments without showing the flaws in some of their arguments. I recently heard that us atheists are the most hated bunch in the US, hated more than even gays. People would rather have a gay president than an atheist. Maybe that's the source of much of the anger we often see from atheists. They know they are unjustifiably hated and just want to be loved.:-)

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