Forgot a couple, and now I've got two posts, winning. Which reminds me, what's the next 'level' posting status? Surely there's a 'Poop Deck Scrubber' if there's a 'Wiper'!

I believe Oiler is next.

Awesome. Walking the plank I shall not do. Yet.

Next question: how do you attach a photo to the forum/specific post? Had a great one for this reply. Gotta be a code monkey? Don't see a 'Upload Photo' icon anywhere.

As far as I am aware, 70k forum does no image hosting so you would have to put your image on a hosting site somewhere first, or take it from a URL. If it's not already on a website/facebook/instagram/whatever, I would recommend uploading it to imgur and then using that url in the img tag.

Next question: how do you attach a photo to the forum/specific post? Had a great one for this reply. Gotta be a code monkey? Don't see a 'Upload Photo' icon anywhere.

As far as I am aware, 70k forum does no image hosting so you would have to put your image on a hosting site somewhere first, or take it from a URL. If it's not already on a website/facebook/instagram/whatever, I would recommend uploading it to imgur and then using that url in the img tag.

But, its too hard to include facebook accurately for many reasons - for example there are so many places that people could put wishlists. The 70k Forum Fiends Group, the 70k 2020 group, 70Ks own page. etc.

Also, its too hard to tell who has made a wishlist on facebook, and also on the forum due to not knowing real name/forum name matches.

Plus, I am an 'old school' kind of guy. I'd like to keep the 70K forum alive, and drive people to register here to make their wishlists :)

We now have wishlists from well over 100 individuals, from different walks of life, different ages, different countries, users that have been on the forum for years along with users that have just joined......

The only bias present is bias towards "people that have registered on the forum", and ummm that's kind of the point. It's not like this list suddenly becomes the skipper's single source of truth for the formation of the lineup anyway. As I've mentioned previously, we will get probably 20 of the top 100 on the lineup if comparing to the last few years, then a bunch that have a few requests from people here and there, and a few that no one at all has requested....

But yeah - maybe the genre/bands you like, just ain't that popular?

And furthermore, when the skipper posts I believe he usually requests they are posted here too.

"How about you post your personal wishlist in the Official 70000TONS OF METAL forum, THE place to connect with fellow Metalheads from over 70 different countries around the globe?"

If this leads to your perceived "heavy bias" because fans of your particular band/genre cannot be arsed posting the wishlist here well, then they've got no-one to blame but themselves

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Wow!
So many reQuests for Be'lakor!
Until now I had never heard of them and had no idea they were from Melbourne.
How did this band slip under my radar for so long?

I checked them out and I'd say add another point to the wishlist.
Bring onbroad Skip!

Cannot believe they slipped under your radar too! Incredible band :)

Shit, I must have been in a terrible mood last time I checked them out. I liked Borknagar but not Be'lakor (they both got mentioned a lot so checked em both out) but I just checked out Be'lakor and again today AND WHAT WAS I THINKING THEY'RE AMAZING. Thanks guys.

Wow!
So many reQuests for Be'lakor!
Until now I had never heard of them and had no idea they were from Melbourne.
How did this band slip under my radar for so long?

I checked them out and I'd say add another point to the wishlist.
Bring onbroad Skip!

Cannot believe they slipped under your radar too! Incredible band :)

Shit, I must have been in a terrible mood last time I checked them out. I liked Borknagar but not Be'lakor (they both got mentioned a lot so checked em both out) but I just checked out Be'lakor and again today AND WHAT WAS I THINKING THEY'RE AMAZING. Thanks guys.

If this leads to your perceived "heavy bias" because fans of your particular band/genre cannot be arsed posting the wishlist here well, then they've got no-one to blame but themselves

I said what I meant. It doesn't matter if there are 1000 samples if they aren't representative of the group. A couple of years ago, the forum was more indicative of the crowd, but many people have left because it's no longer as inclusive, resulting in the bias I am referencing. I am just highlighting a flaw in the (apparently sponsored) system. Perhaps the issue is that I misinterpreted this collection's purpose.

The argument raised against me, even though I said nothing of the sort, is a subtle way of saying "shut up, your opinion is not valued". It's purpose is to discourage participation, interaction, and discourse, much like preemptively shutting people down with comments like "can't wait to hear the br00tals complain about this", when no complaints have been made in months. They are effective tactics. People have left, newer people have been shut down and haven't returned, and lurkers don't even bother. So of course, it's our fault that we "cannot be arsed posting" rather than deal with a passive aggressive environment. Quieting yet more people.

Even if that is not the intention, it is still the effect.

I had really hoped to discuss this personally in greater detail on the boat, but we never crossed paths.

aaah, no. The argument raised against you is nothing of the sort. Your wishlist and your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses :)

If your perceived "bias" is against "br00tal" music - look at the Top 20 requests. 5 Melodeath, 5 Black, 1 Doom! Top 100 - over 50% (55 by my count) fall into Melodeath/Black/Doom/Death/Thrash/Extreme.

If the "bias" is against people that are not on or left the forum, then yes I agree a lot of the old crew are not here anymore and that's sad :( Certainly a few people left because there was a lot of 'br00tals vs weenies' crap on the forum at one stage years and years ago (like 5+ years ago) but that is long in the past. And there are still many old timers here (hell, there are over 30 wishlists from people that have been on the forum since 2012 or earlier). And those are fans of all different tastes ranging from weenie (me) through to the more brutal (Malaka, nekrobarr, Azazael101, Sgt. B., yourself to name a few). So even though people have left that still hasn't lead to any bias I do not think. It's still a very valid cross-section of the 70k family.

There have been many fans of the heavy that have joined and become a welcome member of the community in the last few years. JamieS, Ethrivas, Zed, Slayergeek, Godflesh to name a few off the top of my head. If you could provide examples of "newer people that have been shut down and haven't returned" I'd love to know who they were because that would be a horrible thing if it were true :(

So yeah I stand by what I said - that the wishlists compiled consist of a massively broad and diverse sampling of the 70K community across all walks of life, 'veteran status', musical tastes, etc.

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I think the forum is in a "healthy" status. I wish more users would join us, but it seems like it's not so popular nowadays. The Facebook page bores me sometimes, mainly because lots of goofy stuff get posted. I feel a "seriousness" in this forum I quite enjoy. I am of the new generation users (n00bs) and my only complain is that I wish we had more people

I think the forum is in a "healthy" status. I wish more users would join us, but it seems like it's not so popular nowadays. The Facebook page bores me sometimes, mainly because lots of goofy stuff get posted. I feel a "seriousness" in this forum I quite enjoy. I am of the new generation users (n00bs) and my only complain is that I wish we had more people

I think the forum is in a "healthy" status. I wish more users would join us, but it seems like it's not so popular nowadays. The Facebook page bores me sometimes, mainly because lots of goofy stuff get posted. I feel a "seriousness" in this forum I quite enjoy. I am of the new generation users (n00bs) and my only complain is that I wish we had more people

I agree, and I kind of like it. The people I can "talk metal" with IRL I don't get to see all that often. The forum lets me nerd out, without the interruption of memes.

Also, I'd argue that the more active users on the forum have a broad taste in metal rather than just easily fitting in the "br00tal" or "weenie" categories. I think the problem is that a lot of us are into obscure shit, which means it's harder for us to converge on a band