At least JamESPN downplayed the whole evening Nothing like watching ESPNews to catch the score from the AZ/ASU game only to see the talking head behind the desk open up the hour by doing a chalk toss.

At least he knows where his bread is buttered.

Looks like Dan has aa lot of soul searching to do in the next few weeks. Going to be quite a few meetings w/ he, Grant and Scott to determine where do they go. Does Dan finally concede that this team won't be a playoff contender and adding a player or two via trade will not upgrade them this year? He made a post LBJ start by removing his image from around the Q, is it time to remove those players who played along side James as well?

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

Larvell Blanks wrote:At least JamESPN downplayed the whole evening Nothing like watching ESPNews to catch the score from the AZ/ASU game only to see the talking head behind the desk open up the hour by doing a chalk toss.

At least he knows where his bread is buttered.

Looks like Dan has aa lot of soul searching to do in the next few weeks. Going to be quite a few meetings w/ he, Grant and Scott to determine where do they go. Does Dan finally concede that this team won't be a playoff contender and adding a player or two via trade will not upgrade them this year? He made a post LBJ start by removing his image from around the Q, is it time to remove those players who played along side James as well?

Who on the roster is an attractive piece to obtain (contract status, talent, etc.....)?I would be in favor of seeing this thing torn up but then again, if it bottoms out, I still am somewhat bothered by the notion that in some way, shape, or form, Gilber will move this team to Las Vegas within the next five years.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Loyalty? You want fucking loyalty? Loyalty isn't letting the most hated man in the city you're supposedly loyal to just walk all over you with no resistance. Loyalty isn't laughing and having the time of your life while you're getting your asses kicked by 30 points. Boobie, the fans criticizing you are more loyal to Cleveland than you'll ever be.

LeBron might as well have gone down the bench and placed his nutsack on each of their foreheads on national tv. That probably would have been better received by your loyal fans. That is essentially what happened anyway.

Your job was to not embarrass us and play with the hate, heart, and passion your "loyal" fans have. Everyone on the Cavs team knows the utter disdain that Lebron is now held in and not a one of them could throw us a bone by knocking his ass down just once.

Oh, but Andy did swipe his headband, that was hilarious. I am still laughing.

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:Again, unless Gilbert's physically transporting his Flats casino to Las Vegas, this team isn't moving. Like it or not, y'all are stuck with 'em.

The Kings'll likely beat everyone there anyways, it's the perfect spot for Maloof Party Central.

If this team doesn't get any better nobody will be going to those games. I guess whatever happens in Cleveland stays in Cleveland, including poor play.

I have a new chant "Kyrie Irving, clap clap clap clap clap"

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Windy's column said that "to a man" the Cavs players supported LeBron's right to leave in free agency. Every Cavs player would have done the same thing in his shoes. So why do fans think the Cavs players resent him at all, much less hate him enough to knock him down? Every one of them believes in taking care of "me first" and understands what he did and is just fine with it. They're not necessarily gutless, they just don't have a problem with LeBron signing up for a better deal, just like they will if they get the chance.

I can't blame LeBron for grabbing for that Championship ring instead of signing up for six more years of dragging these losers to the playoffs only to get knocked out every year. Seven years of putting up with incompetence is enough. No one player can win an NBA Championship by himself. And it wasn't just the team, nobody offered Roker a job after he got canned. The Cavs didn't come close to winning the Trophy the last two years, depsite the 66 and 61.

I feel sorry for Gilbert having to sit there and watch LBJ, Bosh and Wade toy with his team. But like somebody said, maybe it was for the best in the long run. Maybe they'll realize they need to back up the truck. They can start with Moon. Watching him backpedal to open up a nice lane for Wade to throw down that 1-on-2 highlight reel dunk was sickening.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Prosecutor wrote:Windy's column said that "to a man" the Cavs players supported LeBron's right to leave in free agency. Every Cavs player would have done the same thing in his shoes. So why do fans think the Cavs players resent him at all, much less hate him enough to knock him down? Every one of them believes in taking care of "me first" and understands what he did and is just fine with it. They're not necessarily gutless, they just don't have a problem with LeBron signing up for a better deal, just like they will if they get the chance.

I can't blame LeBron for grabbing for that Championship ring instead of signing up for six more years of dragging these losers to the playoffs only to get knocked out every year. Seven years of putting up with incompetence is enough. No one player can win an NBA Championship by himself. And it wasn't just the team, nobody offered Roker a job after he got canned. The Cavs didn't come close to winning the Trophy the last two years, depsite the 66 and 61.

I feel sorry for Gilbert having to sit there and watch LBJ, Bosh and Wade toy with his team. But like somebody said, maybe it was for the best in the long run. Maybe they'll realize they need to back up the truck. They can start with Moon. Watching him backpedal to open up a nice lane for Wade to throw down that 1-on-2 highlight reel dunk was sickening.

It's called defending the rim Pros. No one needs a blatant cheap shot (though no one would give a shit if it came). If you can't or won't defnd the the rim then you're nutless, gutless and heartless. You call it whatever you want.

"Understanding", "Compassionate", whatever.

And unless you live in a hole you understand how raw the emotions with the fans were. To be so detached or selfish that you don't get how hugs, kisses and laughter with the guy who caused the hard feelings wouldn't go over well while he was walking to the rim then those guys aren't worth my time.

The Cavs have no nasty. Haven't for a decade or two. That's a roster full of talentless, gutless, heartless pussies. It's either that or they're incredibly stupid and selfish. Either way I want nothing to do with them. I dread the nights my name is on the schedule to write the recaps. Not because I have an issue writing the game but moreso because I have to watch it to do so.

There was clearly one play where he could have been placed onto the arena floor, when the alley oop was thrown, Mista Williams barely nudged him simply causing him to one hand catch and shoot a lay up with the free throw to follow. That play typified the evening.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Prosecutor wrote:Windy's column said that "to a man" the Cavs players supported LeBron's right to leave in free agency. Every Cavs player would have done the same thing in his shoes. So why do fans think the Cavs players resent him at all, much less hate him enough to knock him down? Every one of them believes in taking care of "me first" and understands what he did and is just fine with it. They're not necessarily gutless, they just don't have a problem with LeBron signing up for a better deal, just like they will if they get the chance.

I can't blame LeBron for grabbing for that Championship ring instead of signing up for six more years of dragging these losers to the playoffs only to get knocked out every year. Seven years of putting up with incompetence is enough. No one player can win an NBA Championship by himself. And it wasn't just the team, nobody offered Roker a job after he got canned. The Cavs didn't come close to winning the Trophy the last two years, depsite the 66 and 61.

I feel sorry for Gilbert having to sit there and watch LBJ, Bosh and Wade toy with his team. But like somebody said, maybe it was for the best in the long run. Maybe they'll realize they need to back up the truck. They can start with Moon. Watching him backpedal to open up a nice lane for Wade to throw down that 1-on-2 highlight reel dunk was sickening.

NFL players leave via FA but yet they're not hit any softer b/c ex teammates support their decision to leave. Players getting hard fouled going to the rack is commonplace in the NBA, although as evidenced, not in Cleveland. And a better deal? If your talking money-wise, James took less to play in Miami.

As peeker said, these players were well aware how the fans felt, these players were the ones that were essentially called not good enough to have the honor of playing with James, both by James and Wade. Maybe they didn't have to "do it" for the fans but have a little pride after having your manhood called out from over the fence, in what is perceived, a greener yard.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

fundamentals wrote:There was clearly one play where he could have been placed onto the arena floor, when the alley oop was thrown, Mista Williams barely nudged him simply causing him to one hand catch and shoot a lay up with the free throw to follow. That play typified the evening.

Jawad had no problem getting a hold of James after the game with that cute bear hug.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

The game last night in reality looked like an old wrasslin' match where you had a "jobber" taking on the clearly better wrestler. For a moment or two the fans were given hope that the underdog would win but shortly after LBJ went to the foul line, he became King Kong Bundy and the Cavaliers went SD Jones. All I was waiting for was him to grab the mike and yell for the "five count". Sorry for the wrestling analogy but for me it works

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

peeker643 wrote:Because he can't sell the casino for an exorbitant sum?

You think Gilbert's going to stay and lose money/respect/prestige bcause of the basketball team because he's unable to sell the casino rights? He's inescapably tethered here forever now?

TMLP picked up the Cavs to be close to his home and alma mater. He's invested cash hand over fist into the team, into Quicken's operations in Cleveland, and now into the casinos. This wasn't a temporary investment, at some point Lebron was going to leave or retire regardless. If the Jazz, the Spurs, and even the Pistons can succeed both on and off the court, hell if a team can sense opportunity in f'n Oklahoma City, then why not the Cavs?

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:TMLP picked up the Cavs to be close to his home and alma mater. He's invested cash hand over fist into the team, into Quicken's operations in Cleveland, and now into the casinos. This wasn't a temporary investment, at some point Lebron was going to leave or retire regardless. If the Jazz, the Spurs, and even the Pistons can succeed both on and off the court, hell if a team can sense opportunity in f'n Oklahoma City, then why not the Cavs?

In my opinion, for the same reasons you state above, I would maintain he would leave this city high and dry and without a basketball team. He is a business man and will do what he feels is best for himself. There's still some things we don't know about with what went down but again just a gut feeling that Gilbert is exhibit A as to why MeBron isn't here and when he speaks of "curses" it might just now be one on him.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

For reference, Gilbert made a strong bid to buy the Phoenix Suns before Robert Sarver got them. I think he also made a play for the Milwaukee Brewers before he bought the Cavs. So he didn't specifically target a team close to Michigan.

Having said that, this whole idea that the Cavs are going to be in Seattle by the end of the decade is a pretty far stretch. It's just a typical Cleveland "we're so screwed" pity party.

Even if the Cavs are playing in front of 3,000 a night in the coming years, that's not enough to get a team moved. Otherwise, the Indians would be packing up for Charlotte or Nashville as we speak.

Teams don't move solely because attendance is down. They move when the low attendance is coupled with other factors, such as an outdated stadium, massive debt, friction with local government, poor management and other cities dangling sweetheart lease deals.

None of those factors affect the Cavs. The Q is a modern facility, and figures to be one for the next 10-20 years, thanks to Gilbert's investment. They aren't saddled by Modell levels of debt, because Gilbert is rich enough to not have to finance everything with other peoples' money.

Gilbert is active in the community, and a smart businessman. And even if all that weren't true, the whole reason the Sonics left Seattle was the city wouldn't pay to build a new arena, which paved the way for Howard Schultz to sell the team to OKC interests. So why are they suddenly going to up and finance an arena to lure another team to town?

It's nowhere near as cause-and-effect as "Attendance sucks, Gilbert is going to move the team."

Prosecutor wrote:It's called defending the rim Pros. No one needs a blatant cheap shot (though no one would give a shit if it came). If you can't or won't defnd the the rim then you're nutless, gutless and heartless. You call it whatever you want.

That's why I was pissed at Moon for not defending the rim against Wade. He just bailed out and let Wade throw it down untouched. And yeah, I agree that LeBron should have gotten a hard foul or two.

And unless you live in a hole you understand how raw the emotions with the fans were. To be so detached or selfish that you don't get how hugs, kisses and laughter with the guy who caused the hard feelings wouldn't go over well while he was walking to the rim then those guys aren't worth my time.

Yeah, they should have visited LeBron before the game and did the reunion hugs and kisses in the locker room, then made it all business on the floor. The Cavs management should have talked to the players about this beforehand. Maybe they did. I agree that PDA's for LeBron in front of 20,000 angry fans was stupid and disrespectful. Whatever. Now it's time for the fans to get over those "raw feelings". It's a business.

The Cavs have no nasty. Haven't for a decade or two. That's a roster full of talentless, gutless, heartless pussies. It's either that or they're incredibly stupid and selfish. Either way I want nothing to do with them. I dread the nights my name is on the schedule to write the recaps. Not because I have an issue writing the game but moreso because I have to watch it to do so.

True they have no nasty. But tell me which Cav would continue to play for his hometown team if he had a chance to jump to the Lakers and ride to a Championship on Kobe's coattails? They all would.

Still, that's no excuse for rolling over last night and fawning over LeBron to boot. Shake his hand before the game, and hammer him cleanly when he goes to the rim. IOW, act and play like a pro.

The whole huggy-huggy thing before games should just . . . stop. How hard would it be for the league (or any team) to say "just kiss the other players before or after the game; not while you're waiting for the tip-off."? How hard would it be for Andy to wait until after the game to hug tWoA? I know it's just window-dressing, but it's bad window-dressing and a league that is so p-r conscious should realize that.

And if I'm a head coach and my team is yucking it up on the sidelines with any opponent while we're getting our asses kicked, I send him/them to the locker room right now. If you want to share giggles with with our opponents, there should be one, simple, rule: don't do it during the game. Violate the rule, go back and take a shower - you're not in the game anyway.

Did it bother me when we were the ass-kickers rather than the ass-kickees? No, not so much. But I really don't care about any other team in the league, anyway. If this is how a Byron Scott team is going to take an ass-kicking, then I'm not liking Byron Scott too much.

FMB at this point I agree with your LeBron take as outlined above. Just sayin' being a Browns fan, which I also am, and a closet Indians fan (won't admit to it till they are good), is like a triple whammy.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

papacass wrote:Having said that, this whole idea that the Cavs are going to be in Seattle by the end of the decade is a pretty far stretch. It's just a typical Cleveland "we're so screwed" pity party.

Now cass, the P-A thing doesn't suit you. You're too cool and not a doosh. Good points, but is this shot at those who resemble a POV necessary?

It is about attendance. That is revenue. To think the Cavs will be a loss leader for a casino and a venue may be a bit of a stretch. Team needs to tank, get lucky, and reboung in 5 years or face signfiant issues.

I don't see how Cleveland supports 3 majors for long at these prices. This is a very different market from 1970.