To the time question. They were both taken at the start of their respective rally. 10am for Restoring Honor if memory serves and noon for Commies on the Mall.

If you go to the flickr link http://www.flickr.com/photos/njpitney/5045134373/in/set-72157625081892992/ then click on actions and select exif info, you will see the camera data that says the picture was taken on 10/2/10 at 12:04:51pm.

Of course, the camera could have been set wrong or the image edited to give the wrong impression.

However, if you zoom in on the left hand arch of the WW2 memorial, you will see that sun is coming through it leaving a bright spot on the ground. Also look at the shadows of the people on the ground. If you use those two things as a 'sundial' and look up on Google Earth the location, the shadows are pointing almost due north.

I then went to skyandtel.com and pulled up their interactive sky chart, plugged in the latitude, longitude, date and time and the sun was almost due south at an angle of 46 degrees. I've not done exacting calculations, but the picture passes my sniff test of actually being taken at noon. If anybody does do detailed calculations, please post them.

this is the 8/28 Beck rally, not the 9/12 rally. I was at both. The 9/21 rally was at the crapitol, not the lincoln mem.

This pic of the Beck rally was taken between ten and one, because that's when it happened. The other one happened at about the same time but a couple months later, different loc. of sun, different shadow lengths.

Beck 8/28 would have had more people if taken later, because thousands were constantly streaming in. And it doesn't show area between WWII mem. and wash. mon., which by 1pm on 8/28 was plenty of ppl. Needless to say, the commie rally had NOBODY up there, because it had nobody on the flank fields either. And far fewer in the middle strips next to the water.

Clearly the 10/2 pix was around noon - the middle of the rally. Check the tree shadows, they are almost directly north (the Wading pool runs east/west) which means the time is close to noon. (Ask any Boy Scout). Additionally, I read the account of one 10/2 participant who described (in the middle of the rally) her ability to get from the back all the way to the Lincoln Memorial and up the steps (to see better). My wife was at the 8/28 GB rally and she said she absolutely couldn't move (and neither could anyone else)

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The biggest difference I see is that the 10/2 rally photo was clearly shot early in the morning (long shadows anyone?) and the 9/12rally photo was shot closer to midday.

I was keeping track of crowd size estimates on 10/2, and by noon, the AP reported an estimate of 100K.

I find it interesting that CBS provided an aerial shot of 9/12 but not 10/2. I

am disheartened, but not surpried that the propaganda around the 10/2 crowd size diminishes the actual attendance. After all it is the major media that keeps telling us there is an "enthusiasm gap".

Most Progressives are disapointed in Obama for not being LEFT enough, but we all know what's at stake if the RepubliCONS get control again - they will finish the job Bush started and kill off what's left of our suffering American democracy.

The biggest difference I see is that the 10/2 rally photo was clearly shot early in the morning (long shadows anyone?) and the 9/12rally photo was shot closer to midday.

I was keeping track of crowd size estimates on 10/2, and by noon, the AP reported an estimate of 100K.

I find it interesting that CBS provided an aerial shot of 9/12 but not 10/2. I

am disheartened, but not surpried that the propaganda around the 10/2 crowd size diminishes the actual attendance. After all it is the major media that keeps telling us there is an "enthusiasm gap".

Most Progressives are disapointed in Obama for not being LEFT enough, but we all know what's at stake if the RepubliCONS get control again - they will finish the job Reagan started and kill off what's left of our suffering American democracy.

One day I fear I will be saying "I told you so" to disillusioned brainwashed conservatives who thought that millionaire Glenn Beck was their pal.

The shadows ARE the proof of when this picture was taken, they prove that the picture WAS taken at mid-day.

Look at the shadow at the World War 2 memorial. Those who keep saying that the long shadows prove that the picture was taken in the morning mistakenly assume that the reflecting pool goes south to north.

The right wing weaseling of this is both predictable and mind-boggling. The 8/28 shot taken at noonish is at the high-water mark of crowd size -- a couple hours in. The 10/2 rally STARTED at noon, and as one of the many who PAID to get on a bus to get there can attest, the Metro was so jammed I didn't get there until 12:45 or so, and the crowd was still building.

I have 32 screen shots of One Nation Rally crowd views during the live coverage by CSPAN. These screen shots have the CSPAN Eastern Time bug, the first screen shot is 12:31 p.m. and the last screen shot is 4:36 p.m. I've also included a screen shot of the 2:14 p.m. Joe Madison announcement that the One Nation crowd is twice that of 8/29, the day after the Restoring Honor Rally.