evointrigued wrote:I like your logic. Science, and skepticism when there's little/no evidence for claims, would solve many problems founded on irrationality. Ethical philosophies like the Golden Rule (to replace the Christian/Muslim mix-up of ethics/cruelty) certainly have my support.

In the link http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com there is a follow-through on what I wrote above. Christian and secular doctrines have compromised the way social science data has been interpreted. In the link, I wade through the data from a totally atheistic, objective viewpoint. What we need is the objective application of social science to develop a totally new world view and way of thinking.

First of all, when the heck has anyone B-52 carpet bombed anyone in the name of God? I remember Muslims attacking the WTC six years ago, but I've never heard of Christians carpet-bombing with B-52s.

Charles, it is obvious what you intend to do. You are clearly a very fundamentalist atheist who wishes to impose an oppressive atheist theocracy. How ironic, isn't it? You spend so much time attacking fundamentalist believers, when your own brand of fundamentalism is actually even more volatile and even more dangerous to society. I suppose it's true that we always hate the most what we see in ourselves.

Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.

Actually, wikipedia's article is about Charles Hillman Brough; amazon.com lists the book he mentioned, and gives the author's name as Charles Henderson Brough. An interesting coincidence, wouldn't you say?

Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.

Mith asks why Wikipedia has me listed as dead! I was unaware of that! Alex mentions Charles Hillman Brough. He was a last-century governer of a Southern state and is deceased. It must be him it's referring to.

Without explaining just what you mean by "God," you give us no clue as to your belief. Your belief could make perfect sense---as it would if you were a deist---or no sense at all if you believed in the personal theity in the Bible who alters and displaces "His own creation" all in order to answer prayers. With that kind of a "god" in mind, evolution would make no sense.

alextemplet wrote:First of all, when the heck has anyone B-52 carpet bombed anyone in the name of God?

At the very least, Christianity's militant ways were revealed during the Crusades. I'm not sure about the recent bombings, which is why I just said I consider B-52 carpet bombing in the name of the Judeo-Christian god militant. I think there is good reason to support the idea. Here's the basic idea.Here's a poll about it. I've never once seen a hint of a trace of Bush denying the claim and it's been a long-standing, heavy claim. Bush said America had a calling from "beyond the stars" to push Creationism into public schools when the creationists were clearly being dishonest. Have you heard of the "Third Awakening" Bush spoke of? I think it's apparent that Bush said he struck Iraq in the name of God but I'm not certain.

alextemplet wrote:I remember Muslims attacking the WTC six years ago, but I've never heard of Christians carpet-bombing with B-52s.

Evointrigued, You might want to check your history. The crusades were defensive wars triggered by Muslim aggression. The Quran and the Bible are complete polar opposites; the Bible says "love thy neighbor" and the Quran says "kill thy neighbor." It's no wonder Muslims consider the Bible to be such an abhorrence. As for Bush, he's an idiot. Plain and simple.

And what about all those Jews and Catholics that Stalin's atheist friends murdered? Let's be honest; people kill each other. Always have, and always will. Calling each other violent won't accomplish anything other than getting us all ticked off. What's the good in that?

charles brough wrote:Without explaining just what you mean by "God," you give us no clue as to your belief. Your belief could make perfect sense---as it would if you were a deist---or no sense at all if you believed in the personal theity in the Bible who alters and displaces "His own creation" all in order to answer prayers. With that kind of a "god" in mind, evolution would make no sense.

You also might want to check your information. If you put half as much value in rational thought as you claim, you'd be a Catholic.

Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.

[quote="alextemplet"]Evointrigued, You might want to check your history. The crusades were defensive wars triggered by Muslim aggression. The Quran and the Bible are complete polar opposites; the Bible says "love thy neighbor" and the Quran says "kill thy neighbor." It's no wonder Muslims consider the Bible to be such an abhorrence.[quote]

Pehaps you have read a Catholic history of the world! Please look at a few more scholarly and objective interpretations of history! The Crusades was a typical invasion of an established civilization by a bunch of barbarians. We established an empire inside Islam that held their territory for a full century. Jeruselem is one of Islams most sacred cities; we conquered it. I am glad we did, but why fool yourseves with illusions?

The Quran is filled with platitudes that are similar to the Christian ones you emulate above, and the Bible is filled also with horrinble crimes and orders as is the Quran. The Bible promotes slavery. Christ tells his followers to bring to Him those who do not worship him and to kill them: Luke: 19-27. He brings not peace but a sword. In Isaiah 45:7 God is said to brag about creating evil. Don't you understand that all this is the very reason why Catholicism discourages the reading of the Bible? A religion is not what is in the scriptures BUT WHAT THE PEOPLE BELIEVE. If Muslims come to believe terrorism is the way to go, it will be because we keep invading their civilization!

Charles you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Aside from obviously misquoting those Bible verses you mentioned, you also don't have a clue about history or Catholic doctrine. Jerusalem is not just a Muslim holy city, but a Jewish and Christian holy city as well. The Muslims were aggressively attacking Europe for centuries before the Christians counter-attacked with the crusades. The Catholic Church has NEVER forbade or discouraged its followers from reading the Bible, but has always actively encouraged it.

Come back once you decide to use facts instead of hate speech.

Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.