Yeah I think I will try out mma. I will say ninjutsu does have some parts which are effective, especially the pain points and certain strikes to arteries. It seems that some people haven't felt the moves being done on them to know (just throwing that out there, I may be wrong in that people have but don't flame me too much).

Those ninjitsu techniques might be the deadliest stuff ever conceived, but the style doesn't have a delivery system to get you to the point where you could apply one of them against a resisting opponent.

It's like when I was learning wrist locks years ago - just how do I convince the other guy to a) grab my wrist, but b) stand there and not punch the **** out of me while I lock him up?

Take a look at videos on the internet. How many videos by Noguchi, Oguri or Nagato sensei have those men put up on the internet? In case you didn't know, the answer is none. There are some up, placed there without their permission, but they themselves never bothered to put up their own videos for others. Contrast that with all the videos out there by other Bujinkan members that seem to have no purpose other than trying to impress others. The thing is, people seem to like those videos, where as I look at them and want to do a face palm.

It seems to me that Roley is trying to differentiate the "dai shihan" from the bujinkan majority here, in the case of putting up videos.

HOWEVER

"A single exception proves an absolute wrong" -Nicolas Taleb

Meet Keiji Nakadai, bujinkan 15th dan. The first teacher of the creator of the infamous 'KUKAN BALL Z', Ben Cole

Originally Posted by Ben Cole

My name is Benjamin Cole. I have been training in martial arts for roughly 30 years and in the Bujinkan for going on 18 years. I began my training in the Bujinkan in Japan under Keiji Nakadai, later transitioning to Toshiro Nagato’s dojo and Soke’s sessions at Ayase.

I've read posts before that said, "The bujinkan doesn't spar", "The bujinkan guys suck at sparring", "There is no sparing in the bujinkan, especially in Japan", "Real bujinkan is only found in Japan, you should train there"; so on and so forth.

Well, surprise, surprise; Nakadai shihan proves you wrong:

So there is sparring in the bujinkan, led by a JAPANESE shihan himself.

However, Roley disapproves; going by his previous post:

Originally Posted by Don Roley

I don't like sparring, especially if there is "winning" involved. Two guys who both want to fight is not a scenario I train for. I much prefer scenario training with bullet man suits where one guy (or more) is playing a role and someone is doing their best to get through the situation. Sometimes, you can talk your way out of it, or even run. That is more suited to self defense.

Well, a JAPANESE shihan teaching in JAPAN does it, so it must be good right?

Of course, not everything (said to be) coming out of Japan is that good. Check out this idiot:

So the question is: bujinkan sparring, good or bad?

Thoughts?

PS

For me there was a huge "dissonance" between the sparring videos and what the bujinkan purportedly teaches (the takamatsu-den). Head-level roundhouse kicks, evansion angles (did any of you catch Nakadai's favorite angle of evasion? If you did, then a good setup can take him out), NO LUNGE PUNCHES, no circular jodan ukes or even the ones Takamatsu did against Hatsumi in the "against a boxer" section in the Takamatsu DVD. It was like, it's a different art.

I can't find Ralph Aaron Hall in any sex offender registry, in Nevada, or in Georgia where he was convicted and spend 5 years in prison (the maximum sentence for Sexual Battery, victim under 16) in Georgia (which is a felony).

From looking at Georgia code (section 16) and their current sex offender registry statutes, it looks like he should have had to register.

Falling for Judo since 1980

"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

At least it is some form of sparring. First few vids was in my opinion just a variation on the "lunge punch, freeze, do a technique" drill. With the difference that this time there was spazzing "sparring" before the instructor pulled off a technique