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According to specification: "Monitoring -> Hosts should be removed" (repeated twice)
What it means? Whole page Monitoring -> Hosts will be removed? or only the column "Screens" ?

<richlv> whole page is removed and it's functionality provided in other pages

<zalex> ok. then how about the idea about ability to see hosts (agent, snmp, ipmi, jmx) Availability for not "Zabbix Admin" users, i.e. for "Zabbix User" ?
It will be dropped?

<richlv>, yes, host availability for non-admin users won't be available
a) it probably appeared there only because that page was created as a copy of the configuration page
b) host availability is confusing enough for admin users. it is not ready to be exposed to users
c) some time ago it was decided (but not really documented, as far as i know) that host availability is more of an internal, admin-level thing and should not be exposed to users. this decision might be revisited later.... but later

<zalex> Many thanks for explanation! Now I haven't any objection.
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Oleksiy Zagorskyi
added a comment - 2012 Jan 02 12:55 - edited According to specification: "Monitoring -> Hosts should be removed" (repeated twice)
What it means? Whole page Monitoring -> Hosts will be removed? or only the column "Screens" ?
<richlv> whole page is removed and it's functionality provided in other pages
<zalex> ok. then how about the idea about ability to see hosts (agent, snmp, ipmi, jmx) Availability for not "Zabbix Admin" users, i.e. for "Zabbix User" ?
It will be dropped?
<richlv>, yes, host availability for non-admin users won't be available
a) it probably appeared there only because that page was created as a copy of the configuration page
b) host availability is confusing enough for admin users. it is not ready to be exposed to users
c) some time ago it was decided (but not really documented, as far as i know) that host availability is more of an internal, admin-level thing and should not be exposed to users. this decision might be revisited later.... but later
<zalex> Many thanks for explanation! Now I haven't any objection.
The question CLOSED

Oleksiy Zagorskyi
added a comment - 2012 Jan 16 16:17 - edited (2) [GUI] Dev branch briefly tested.
In the spec a term "Host screens" is used but I see just "Screens" in popup menus. I think the word "Host" in this case is very important.
<pavels> RESOLVED.
<zalex> Thanks. CLOSED

(5) [GUI]
As js translation helper you added function _, though it's similar to PHP functioon i'd strongly suggest to change it as there is quite popular js library underscore.js which utilizes same name. Also i think one letter function names should be preserved for some libraries.

Alexey Fukalov
added a comment - 2012 Jan 16 17:47 - edited (5) [GUI]
As js translation helper you added function _, though it's similar to PHP functioon i'd strongly suggest to change it as there is quite popular js library underscore.js which utilizes same name. Also i think one letter function names should be preserved for some libraries.
<pavels> RESOLVED.
<Vedmak> CLOSED

The currently available ways (Zabbix 1.9.9) to access a template based screen for a specific host (independent of currently active triggers or events) are the following:
1. Monitoring -> Overview -> Popup of Host
--> This access is only possible if the hosts are listed on the left side. The page is very slow if you have many hosts/items/triggers.
2. Monitoring -> Latest data
--> Only if there is no host filter, but then every host is listed several times for every application defined (no good overview)
3. via Search
--> OK, but you have to type

All other ways are only available if there are active triggers etc.

I read https://zabbix.org/wiki/Docs/specs/ZBXNEXT-1066 and I think the current ways of access are not intuitive and user friendly.
All other things like items, graphs, maps, "global" screens etc. can be accessed via menu. But template based screens can't.

A very intuitive way for me would be to integrate links to these screens under "Monitoring - Screens".
There you could show them in the currently available drop down field beneath the "global" screens (maybe with a special marker, or the template name in brackets).
When a template based screen is selected, there could be a second drop down field "Host" with all hosts that have the selected screen.

Jens Berthold
added a comment - 2012 Feb 20 17:09 Maybe this issue should be reopened.
The currently available ways (Zabbix 1.9.9) to access a template based screen for a specific host (independent of currently active triggers or events) are the following:
1. Monitoring -> Overview -> Popup of Host
--> This access is only possible if the hosts are listed on the left side. The page is very slow if you have many hosts/items/triggers.
2. Monitoring -> Latest data
--> Only if there is no host filter, but then every host is listed several times for every application defined (no good overview)
3. via Search
--> OK, but you have to type
All other ways are only available if there are active triggers etc.
I read https://zabbix.org/wiki/Docs/specs/ZBXNEXT-1066 and I think the current ways of access are not intuitive and user friendly.
All other things like items, graphs, maps, "global" screens etc. can be accessed via menu. But template based screens can't.
A very intuitive way for me would be to integrate links to these screens under "Monitoring - Screens".
There you could show them in the currently available drop down field beneath the "global" screens (maybe with a special marker, or the template name in brackets).
When a template based screen is selected, there could be a second drop down field "Host" with all hosts that have the selected screen.
What do you say?

Jens Berthold
added a comment - 2012 Feb 20 21:02 I just saw what Alexei Vladishev wrote in https://support.zabbix.com/browse/ZBX-4120:
"The templated screens [...] are not supposed to be in Monitoring->Screens."
My question: why aren't they supposed to be there?

because the current design doesn't really allow to incorporate them nicely.
your suggested way might work, but i suspect it might be confusing for users...
in the future a proper host-oriented monitoring section might be introduced, and this would hold links to host screens as well

richlv
added a comment - 2012 Feb 28 05:45 because the current design doesn't really allow to incorporate them nicely.
your suggested way might work, but i suspect it might be confusing for users...
in the future a proper host-oriented monitoring section might be introduced, and this would hold links to host screens as well

@richlv: I would be very pleased if you could answer the following 3 questions:
Why do you think my suggested way would be confusing?
We have a customer who is just starting to use Zabbix - can you give an advice about the preferred way to select a particular templated screen?
Do you think I should open a feature request with my ideas above to have a discussion platform?

Jens Berthold
added a comment - 2012 Feb 29 19:01 @richlv: I would be very pleased if you could answer the following 3 questions:
Why do you think my suggested way would be confusing?
We have a customer who is just starting to use Zabbix - can you give an advice about the preferred way to select a particular templated screen?
Do you think I should open a feature request with my ideas above to have a discussion platform?

1) it might be unclear how those entries differ; also, it would not scale to bigger setups (think thousands of hosts linked to same template)
2) i'd probably go with global search for now;
3) as noted, i don't think current situation is perfect, and in future a host-centric monitoring page is sort of planned. it would include host related info like ip, dns, some trigger status/item values, graphs and, of course, templated screens. but that's not for 2.0, but for some release after that

richlv
added a comment - 2012 Mar 01 10:14 1) it might be unclear how those entries differ; also, it would not scale to bigger setups (think thousands of hosts linked to same template)
2) i'd probably go with global search for now;
3) as noted, i don't think current situation is perfect, and in future a host-centric monitoring page is sort of planned. it would include host related info like ip, dns, some trigger status/item values, graphs and, of course, templated screens. but that's not for 2.0, but for some release after that