That's true, but honestly I would take a bad attitude guy that's our best shooter lol

I rather have a great chemistry on the team and no me guys I'm the locker room. If Daryl feels that strong about leaving he should. You can't be productive in a marriage with someone that wants a divorce. Moses Kingsley struggled early in the season partly because of the NBA talk. This team has a lot of time to adjust and form a identity without Macon.

Having one and dones that have zero chance of getting drafted is not a good way to build a solid core.

I like Macon, but shooters in the NBA are a dime a dozen...if you are a shooter you almost can never miss....those 2 for 8 nights will get you cut quicker than a mongrel dog with his nuts who finds himself at the local dog shelter....Macon needs to come back one more year, raise his value, get drafted in the 2nd round and if that doesn't happen, believe me, all the foreign professional basketball leagues are going nowhere...Macon can ALWAYS go over there...the question is this, is Macon willing to wait a year at a legit shot to make the NBA or is he so ready for a paycheck that he's willing to play for the Tel Aviv Menschs for the rest of his basketball career ?

If it's in his heart to go, then he needs to go. I simply have zero clue what bargaining power a player has for an overseas squad when you are not even invited to the combine and not projected to be drafted by the NBA.

Overseas players can make good money and have a great career. If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative. Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money. More money than struggling in the D League.

Overseas players can make good money and have a great career. If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative. Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money. More money than struggling in the D League.

Define good money. The average player salary overseas is not better than the D League salary.

Overseas players can make good money and have a great career. If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative. Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money. More money than struggling in the D League.

Overseas players can make good money and have a great career. If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative. Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money. More money than struggling in the D League.

Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable). Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts. It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.

Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable). Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts. It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.

He was not, but not all players were. I do not Macon is still practicing with the team and going to class, which is a good sign.

Barford said at the Hogspys last night with a big grin that he knows everyone is anxious to hear what he is going to do, and he will have an announcement real soon. He said he is just enjoying the process and learning everything he can. I am not worried about him leaving, though.

Believing in himself could mean he's coming back to prove he deserves a shot in the NBA. I think leaving or coming back does not affect if he gets a chance overseas. Only changes the starting money.

But knowing how he acts (at least publicly), it likely means that he believes he can go pro, maybe get a look on a summer team (although doubtful) and maybe play in D League or play well enough to get noticed overseas. The thing is, you'll have more of a spotlight on you playing on TV every game in the NCAA, which can turn into a chance to actually workout for NBA teams, even if he doesn't get drafted. He just seems so intent on being a one and done...

Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable). Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts. It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.

No one on this board knows their situation.

What I'm referring to is that if these two, again I don't know the situation, have no intentions on graduating in the near future and need some money, then Europe IS a good option. They will get paid a lot more than any new college graduate would be getting paid. Last figures I saw was that the bottom rung player would get about $70k per year. But depending on where they would end up, could be over $100k. Now, depending on their situation, that might be hard to pass up.

In general, yes, I would agree that kids should stay and get their degrees. But, I'm not in their shoes.

I don't need to know his situation. I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed. He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team. Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes. Just don't quit now. Would not be smart.

I don't need to know his situation. I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed. He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team. Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes. Just don't quit now. Would not be smart.

I don't need to know his situation. I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed. He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team. Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes. Just don't quit now. Would not be smart.

A lot of people say this is just selfish fan talk. But unless he has a very good chance to go the the NBA it is in reality what is best for him in the long run. If he can just get a degree, any degree he will be better off whenever his playing career is over. And yes you can always go back, but that is easier said than done. Many guys that plan to go back never do. Some only much later in life after realizing they need it for better opportunities.

If you are going to make high 6 or 7 figures future value says the smart move is to take it now, if you are going to make 5 figures, future value says you will be better off with a degree in hand. Nothing is guaranteed. A degree does not guarantee a better long term QOL but it greatly increases your chances.

What I'm referring to is that if these two, again I don't know the situation, have no intentions on graduating in the near future and need some money, then Europe IS a good option. They will get paid a lot more than any new college graduate would be getting paid. Last figures I saw was that the bottom rung player would get about $70k per year. But depending on where they would end up, could be over $100k. Now, depending on their situation, that might be hard to pass up.

In general, yes, I would agree that kids should stay and get their degrees. But, I'm not in their shoes.

Again, you're assuming that he'll be able to just go straight to a league where the minimum is $70k and he'll get paid every week. That's just not the case in a lot of situations, as I pointed out with Marshall Henderson. The MVP got a vacuum cleaner or some shiz as his prize.

A lot of people say this is just selfish fan talk. But unless he has a very good chance to go the the NBA it is in reality what is best for him in the long run. If he can just get a degree, any degree he will be better off whenever his playing career is over. And yes you can always go back, but that is easier said than done. Many guys that plan to go back never do. Some only much later in life after realizing they need it for better opportunities.

If you are going to make high 6 or 7 figures future value says the smart move is to take it now, if you are going to make 5 figures, future value says you will be better off with a degree in hand. Nothing is guaranteed. A degree does not guarantee a better long term QOL but it greatly increases your chances.

I honestly am not thinking at all about Arkansas when I say it would be really dumb for Macon to leave before playing his senior year. I'm talking about it from his perspective.

OF COURSE I want him back to help the team be better. However, when I am discussing this situation, it has nothing to do with the team.

Again, you're assuming that he'll be able to just go straight to a league where the minimum is $70k and he'll get paid every week. That's just not the case in a lot of situations, as I pointed out with Marshall Henderson. The MVP got a vacuum cleaner or some shiz as his prize.

Again, I don't know the situation. But you're also assuming that he would get drafted or improve his euro situation.

Nothing is guaranteed. They need to take all this into consideration and decide for themselves. Everyone has a different situation.

We are assuming that they make a high level Euro league roster. I follow former Razorbacks that are playing overseas and there are not many playing in the high level Euro league.

Sonny Weems was playing for Maccabi Tel AvivCoty Clarke is playing for a team in Russia in the best international league.

There is a opportunity to play overseas but to play at the highest level in Europe is still highly competitive.

Again, depends on the player. But, if they cannot secure something overseas, then they should come back. But, I would have to think that they would all their ducks in a row before they make a decision.

Players who stay can encounter the same. There's no guarantees in life. You take what you can when you can. Of course, depends on the individual situation.

Exactly. But you forfeit the ability to improve your standing for the pro ranks when you leave early. Macon can have a pretty good senior year. That's a big deal and you don't get that back when you leave. He still has another chance to get drafted by the NBA. Isaiah Cousins, Abdel Nader, Joel Bolomboy, Michael Gbinije, Anthony Brown, Josh Richardson, and Cady Lalanne are examples of players that many would have not considered possible draft picks that were selected after their senior seasons. Macon is not being presented with an opportunity that won't be there if he comes back for his senior season. You aren't really trying to insinuate that, are you? Surely not.

So you are saying he is dumb to be looking at leaving. Nice, real nice.

I know you're just like to stir pots, but I'm going to answer anyway. I'm saying it would be a dumb decision to leave. Smart people make dumb decisions from time-to-time. This one would just likely have a negative effect on his life for possibly years to come, if not for the rest of his life.

I know you're just like to stir pots, but I'm going to answer anyway. I'm saying it would be a dumb decision to leave. Smart people make dumb decisions from time-to-time. This one would just likely have a negative effect on his life for possibly years to come, if not for the rest of his life.

This is the issue I have had this entire thread, YOU THINK it would be a dumb decision to leave, but there is no proof that will be the reality of it. I don't think it would be dumb, IF his goal is to play pro ball somewhere and he thinks going now is better for him than playing another year of college ball.

From a pro standpoint he is always going to be a bit of a tweener, not a true PG, not quite big enough to be a 2. Staying in school another year is not going to change that. Our system does not use a featured PG, and it is doubtful he grows 2 or 3 inches. All another year in school, from a bball standpoint,does is have him play 30+ more games plus practice where he could be injured, and where another entire crop of players becomes eligible tog o play pro somewhere.

Now, from a education perspective, assuming he would finish his degree in another school year, yea coming back is probably the better idea. Although as Reid just showed, guys can come back an finish up later.

This is the issue I have had this entire thread, YOU THINK it would be a dumb decision to leave, but there is no proof that will be the reality of it. I don't think it would be dumb, IF his goal is to play pro ball somewhere and he thinks going now is better for him than playing another year of college ball.

From a pro standpoint he is always going to be a bit of a tweener, not a true PG, not quite big enough to be a 2. Staying in school another year is not going to change that. Our system does not use a featured PG, and it is doubtful he grows 2 or 3 inches. All another year in school, from a bball standpoint,does is have him play 30+ more games plus practice where he could be injured, and where another entire crop of players becomes eligible tog o play pro somewhere.

Now, from a education perspective, assuming he would finish his degree in another school year, yea coming back is probably the better idea. Although as Reid just showed, guys can come back an finish up later.

That's the whole point of message boards, dumbass. To share information AND OPINIONS. Of course someone else can have a differing opinion than mine and that's fine. However, just saying that because a kid makes a decision, it is the best decision for him and his family is ignorant. Kids at that age make dumb decisions all the time, regardless of how smart they may be.

That's the whole point of message boards, dumbass. To share information AND OPINIONS. Of course someone else can have a differing opinion than mine and that's fine. However, just saying that because a kid makes a decision, it is the best decision for him and his family is ignorant. Kids at that age make dumb decisions all the time, regardless of how smart they may be.

Ah, yes, name calling. I am not talking about differing opinions. I am talking people people flat out saying Macon is wrong, or dumb, or making a dumb decision. I mean I can say it is probably not a good idea for people to spend too much time on message boards, but when I say " Hogfather is dumb for being on Hogville so much " that makes it personal.

Much better. D League gets nothing. Maybe $30k or so. Euro players, depending on the league, start between $70-$100k. At least that's what some Mizzou players tell that are over there now.

LOL, that is for top division players in the top leagues (Spain, Greece, and China). Most guys start at around $2,000-$5,000 a month. Calistus Eziukwu who is a good friend of mine started at around $34-40K and after 4-5 seasons was finally able to crack close to six figures but only for one season. Then he was back down to around $70k. But his first couple years were grinds he told me. Went two weeks without being paid one season and had his agent find him another gig. It's not all roses and while you can eventually make more money, the D-League keeps you in front of the people that really matter as it's easy to get lost in the shuffle overseas. Definitely depends on if he wants to really make it in the NBA or if he is okay with just being paid decent money to play as long as possible.

Exactly. But you forfeit the ability to improve your standing for the pro ranks when you leave early. Macon can have a pretty good senior year. That's a big deal and you don't get that back when you leave. He still has another chance to get drafted by the NBA. Isaiah Cousins, Abdel Nader, Joel Bolomboy, Michael Gbinije, Anthony Brown, Josh Richardson, and Cady Lalanne are examples of players that many would have not considered possible draft picks that were selected after their senior seasons. Macon is not being presented with an opportunity that won't be there if he comes back for his senior season. You aren't really trying to insinuate that, are you? Surely not.

Wesley Matthews didn't even get drafted, but did a whole lot for himself coming back a fourth year.

Ah, yes, name calling. I am not talking about differing opinions. I am talking people people flat out saying Macon is wrong, or dumb, or making a dumb decision. I mean I can say it is probably not a good idea for people to spend too much time on message boards, but when I say " Hogfather is dumb for being on Hogville so much " that makes it personal.

I don't really care if someone has a different opinion than me. I think it would be a dumb decision. He is free to make what I think is a dumb decision. He is free to believe that it is best for him and his family.

I didn't say he was dumb. I think it would be a dumb decision. Could it work out for him? Sure. I just think he would be diminishing the chances of a positive outcome by leaving now.

I feel like I heard/read weems was going to make more overseas than in the NBA so he stayed returned there.

Sonny Weems signed with the NBA the Suns for two seasons in 2015. He was waived in 2016 and played with the 76ers before being waived. He eventually signed with Maccabi Tel Aviv but was also waived after he failed to complete an anti-doping test.

So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k?

A first year teacher makes $44,708 at Bentonville School District. You add a couple of coaching stipends ($2,500 for assistant football and $2,500 for assistant basketball) and you will be close to that 50k mark.

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He'd be making a big mistake if he left early. Nothing wrong with believing in yourself as an entrepreneur, etc., but with the Nba or elite European leagues, they have to believe in him. The game tape doesn't lie. It is what it is. You are what the film says you are.

So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k? My son has a pre med degree, and currently in med school, he's not working because I want him to focus solely on med school, but he wouldn't make 50k if he got a job somewhere tomorrow. Let's say a law degree, 50k right out of college? Not unless they are the #1 grad coming out and is sought by a prominent law firm. Let's say accounting; not going to make 50k coming out of college. Business? Don't make me laugh. Sports Medicine? No... Criminal Justice? Most definitely not. Get my point? If the young man THINK, and I emphasis THINK, he can go to Europe and make 50k tax free, I'd be careful with stating "that's not smart." What if he did come back and blow out a knee? Would that be smart? I don't think these young men go into this decision as blindly as we think. No way he would NOT come back if he didn't have some indication from the BB community he can make a team in Europe because he and all of us know he won't sniff the NBA. Just hasn't shown that skill set yet. But I don't blame the young man for striking while the iron is hot. He can get a degree anywhere, anytime, that's not going to yield what he could make overseas playing BB. I'd take the shot if I had the opportunity. If he doesn't make it, not the end of the world or his life. He can get the 9-12 hours he has left and take the paltry salary college grads are receiving these days, that is, if he can find work in his grad field. Not guaranteed, check out Fox Business and then tell me the sunny story of coming back, risking injury, and getting that degree.

Son has a business degree in finance, making that magical $50K a year here in Indianapolis. Up for a $7,500 raise when he hits his 1 year anniversary in June.

Education! Facts are facts! That is a profession on the rise again. I didn't include RNs, Radiologist, mechanics, HVAC... opportunities are there but the point is, if he can make 50k on the Euro circuit doing what he loves, seeing lands he could only dream of seeing, why not! If he don't like it or fail, he can come back and coach in NW AR somewhere. I don't think he will be in the NBA in the foreseeable future but I do think he will make a low tier Euro team and work his way up to better opportunities. So it is not as cut and dried a dumb decision as some think.

Another thing to be considered is you typically have a car and apartment paid for. They aren't the most luxurious, but you are making 40-50k/yr without a car payment or rent.