davidmarver wrote:Carpenter was sixth in the NL in pitching win shares; Clemens was #1, Willis #2.

Clemens dominated the NL in pitching runs, with 56, Willis was third (behind Pettitte) with 44, and Carpenter was fifth with 41.

Clemens was #1 in the NL in ERA+ at 247, Pettitte was second at 194, Willis third, and Carp fourth.

Clemens run support was only 3.58 compared to Carp's 5.51.

To add on, Clemens ERA and WHIP were both better, as well.

Translation: Carpenter was NOT the best pitcher in NL. Thanks Dave for further proving my point.

We all know that the best players/pitchers/teams do not always take home the hardware.

Writers are ussally old school types (after all you have to earn your way to the top in the news paper bussiness) so they often don't give awards to the best player. Just look at Derek Jeter and his two gold gloves, in what other sport could you give one of the worst defensive shortstops the award which is supposed to go to a good defensive shortstop.

thedude wrote:Writers are ussally old school types (after all you have to earn your way to the top in the news paper bussiness) so they often don't give awards to the best player. Just look at Derek Jeter and his two gold gloves, in what other sport could you give one of the worst defensive shortstops the award which is supposed to go to a good defensive shortstop.

I understand the voting process as well as most people here... And your point?

Clemens was the best pitcher in NL in 05. Not Carpenter. That is the bottom line.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin

It's no use getting mad over. Is anyone really surprised that Carpenter won? I agree that Clemens had the best season in the NL but Carpenter had a great season and got better results (read: Wins). It's far from a travesty that he won it.

Maine has a good swing for a pitcher but on anything that moves, he has no chance. And if it's a fastball, it has to be up in the zone. Basically, the pitcher has to hit his bat. - Mike Pelfrey

Amazinz wrote:It's no use getting mad over. Is anyone really surprised that Carpenter won? I agree that Clemens had the best season in the NL but Carpenter had a great season and got better results (read: Wins). It's far from a travesty that he won it.

I am not mad nor am I surprised that Carpenter won the award. Carpenter did have a great season but not as good as Clemens.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin