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My whole experience with Wings of Prey was awful. When I waste a couple of hours to get a game to run and then still nothing works as intended I label that as awful. Excuse my ignorance.

Originally Posted by mashakos

I am actually surprised you ran into so many issues. Let me try to guess what was going on:
1) Antivirus tried to quarantine or delete the game executable maybe?

Yes, I needed to tell my antivirus to leave a handful of files in the wop-folder alone. But later I reinstalled the game with my av disabled. Still didnīt help.

3) you placed x360ce or a similiar xbox360 gamepad emulator in the main game folder?

No. And I still donīt know what happened that it would just fail to map the keys properly.

Otherwise I'm stumped as to how a Steam game could become a total clusterf*** for you.

Imagine my surprise. Until Wings of Prey every other game would run fairly smooth, even the odd ones that want to fire up GfWL as well because one DRM method is not enough. I also never had much problems with other games ever since. With the exception of Metro 2033, which had some issues with my graphics card at first. But that was solved withing a couple of minutes thanks to the internet.

just been playing the demo on WoP on steam at lunchtime, and despite it taking about 30 minutes to set the 360 pad controls up it seems quite fun. (you'd think they would have gamepad defaults set up already since it is a 360 game!)

i was playing it on 'realistic' which isn't really gamepad friendly as it seems to stall in a heartbeat if you yank the joystick too quick.
cockpit view is okay of you use the 2nd analogue stick + a button to look around.

at home i'd probably be using a HOTAS and TrackIR but for lunchtime shooty fun it does the job. :)

Yes, I needed to tell my antivirus to leave a handful of files in the wop-folder alone. But later I reinstalled the game with my av disabled. Still didnīt help.

you should stop using antivirus apps and focus on setting up a strong firewall in front of your internet connection. If you are aware of the safety of the thumb drives being plugged into your system, and you don't blindly click on any email and/or banner popup that comes your way, you do not need an antivirus.

you should stop using antivirus apps and focus on setting up a strong firewall in front of your internet connection. If you are aware of the safety of the thumb drives being plugged into your system, and you don't blindly click on any email and/or banner popup that comes your way, you do not need an antivirus.

If you have a nice firewall with deep packet inspection and a subscription for the updates, thats fine. So long as you require access to the internet via your PC, your PC can be infected since people are prone to mistakes. ie, clicking on legit looking links (thats how viruses propagate).

o rly? Haven't used an antivrus program since my first install of Windows 2000. 11 years later and I am yet to "accidentally" click on any legitimate banner ads proclaiming millions in cash prizes or free porn.

o rly? Haven't used an antivrus program since my first install of Windows 2000. 11 years later and I am yet to "accidentally" click on any legitimate banner ads proclaiming millions in cash prizes or free porn.

o rly? Haven't used an antivrus program since my first install of Windows 2000. 11 years later and I am yet to "accidentally" click on any legitimate banner ads proclaiming millions in cash prizes or free porn.

Clicking on banners is not the problem. I also work from home and have to exchange plenty of data with people I work with, some of them apparently thinking windows firewall makes them immune to viruses. Once I got a usb stick with some files I should go through and found no less than 34 viruses on the stick. Yay.

Thanks for the suggestions guys, I dug out my old Sidewinder joystick, which surprisingly still works. I'll give IL-2 a shot, I've played it before, many years ago.

I might give Cliffs of Dover a go at some point too. Did anyone have experience with Birds of Prey? I know it's definitely not a sim like the other IL-2's but I wouldn't mind a fun arcade game too.

Birds of prey is console only. Wings of prey is the pc one. like i mentioned above, I think it could be pretty fun but others might not.
Try the demo, its on steam. (no demo for Cliffs of Dover though which is a shame as i'd like to see how badly it runs)

Clicking on banners is not the problem. I also work from home and have to exchange plenty of data with people I work with, some of them apparently thinking windows firewall makes them immune to viruses. Once I got a usb stick with some files I should go through and found no less than 34 viruses on the stick. Yay.

That's unfortunate - sometimes it's better to have a backup PC in those instances for "foreign" usb sticks and other users. I've actually thought about this problem. Antivrus programs are fine for macro based malware, but it almost never protects against the really clever trojans out there. I played with sandboxie a while back and think it's a good all-round solution. Basically it acts like an OS petri-dish: you set it up for a user and any external devices, they get locked in to a reserved space in the hard disk and ram to isolate them from the rest of the system. Any disk access or process events fire up a sandboxie popup window detailing what the process is trying to do. If it looks suspicious or you just don't recognise it (e.g. highstocksappwinbig.exe), you can google the name of the process and if it's a virus or trojan you'll know. You can then download a virus scan tool (much more effective since it's targetted and not a general scan), clean out the sandboxed space and resume. If the sandboxed space gets too many viruses over time from other users, you can clean it with a scan tool, remove important files, erase it and assign a new clean sandbox. It sounds like a lot but actually these steps only need to be taken on a worst case scenario which isn't a daily occurrence. Meanwhile you have a system that is clean and doesn't get bogged down by constant real-time scanning, random deletes of game exes and the like.

In any case, the really bad trojans account for and manage to bypass antivirus procedures so even if it's detected (with an annoying danger alert) you will usually find some registry entries have been entered or something similiar that you have to go back and manually clean out.

I got Cliffs of Dover to work, bloody hell that needs some prettification. I have a triple monitor rig (for sim racing) and it was kind of hilarious watching the game start up. First all the screens go black, which is pretty standard. Then the Steam window appears in the left one... Then the screens come on and it's the desktop. Then they go black again, two turn on and show the desktop again, the left one now shows the Ubisoft intro, then a splash screen, screens go black, left and right stay black and the centre one has the menu on it. Exhausting. That's not really a problem, though, the problem is that AA doesn't work. Maybe it doesn't work at all, but I suspect it just doesn't like my resolution and it makes the whole thing horrendous to look at. As for flying it... I never actually made it off the ground and then it crashed, which was fine by me because I got bored of the loading screens. I'll give it another go when I've properly mounted the throttle to my setup.

DCS World, on the other hand, gets more awesome when you start to work it out more (that was a really obvious statement). I'm currently at the stage where I just mash the keyboard trying to make things work, I still can't use any weapons in the Su-25T but I can use the cannon in the A-10C (which seems to make the whole thing sort of recoil a little, I wonder if I'm imagining it or if it actually does that in real life? If it's the latter, that's impressive), but I can't work out how to use the HUD to predict where the bullets will go. I did, however, manage to take out a target using the Su-25, as in actually using the jet, by pointing it at the target and ejecting maybe five seconds from impact. I then walked over to the other target and attempted to osmosise (that is now a word) it, but it being a self propelled howitzer and I being a soft human it didn't really work. Still, just flying around is really nice, I don't think even X-Plane gives you a feeling of weight like DCS World does. Nor does it particularly give a shit if you're flying seriously fast close to the ground, DCS World lets you know you're doing A Very Bad Thing by making the aircraft judder quite violently until you either slow down (not recommended) or climb (recommended), in X-Plane 9 and 10 I've happily skimmed the surface of the Earth at Mach 90 in an SR-71 and not felt a thing.

Ok, that is all. Insert standard 'wall of text' acknowledgement and apology. Time for bed.
Goodnight.

I think theres a myth that an A-10 cannon is powerful enough to slow it down in flight. Not sure about recoil as it seems pretty low and central.. maybe someone with better knowledge will turn up. :)
i'm goign to give DCS world a go as its free (and i liked the su-25 in IL2) so its worth a punt :)

but I can use the cannon in the A-10C (which seems to make the whole thing sort of recoil a little, I wonder if I'm imagining it or if it actually does that in real life? If it's the latter, that's impressive)

The recoil from the A-10's gun has enough power to bring the plane to a stop if it was able to fire long enough.

I really want to get into the DCS games but I need a decent flight stick. I used to play Janes Combat sims all the time but I can't find my joystick up in the attic. Recently I've just been flying a lot in ArmA and War Thunder. War Thunder is like a more polished version of WoP with a mmo set up. I have some beta keys if anybody is interested so just PM me.

The recoil from the A-10's gun has enough power to bring the plane to a stop if it was able to fire long enough.

I really want to get into the DCS games but I need a decent flight stick. I used to play Janes Combat sims all the time but I can't find my joystick up in the attic. Recently I've just been flying a lot in ArmA and War Thunder. War Thunder is like a more polished version of WoP with a mmo set up. I have some beta keys if anybody is interested so just PM me.

If when you fire the GAU8 the plane pitches up, then you don't have SAS (stability augmentation system) or PAC engaged. Basically on the trigger there are two stages, first stage engages PAC and the second fires the GAU8. It's extremely effective and theres virtually no recoil when firing, allowing you to be pretty precise. This is modelled in game.