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Most recent forum messagesenFri, 21 Nov 2014 10:27:47 GMTJive SBS 4.5.6.0 (http://jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace/)2014-11-21T10:27:47ZenRe: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56548?tstart=0#56548
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:be59dae3-3da5-4a26-b67e-c239d0bca773] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Kate,</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>I suggest you phone first. That way, you may be able to work out a date when somebody relevant is likely to be around.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Although, as I stated, there are some gemoetrical similarities with an Ichthyostegan spine/tail, its location on one side of a cylindroid keeps making me think of a burrow (can't be) or stem (not convinced on that either).</span></p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>So please do let us know how you get on, as I am really curious about that specimen.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>Mike</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:be59dae3-3da5-4a26-b67e-c239d0bca773] -->Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:27:47 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56548?tstart=0#56548MikeHardman2014-11-21T10:27:47Z2 years, 2 weeks ago0Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56542?tstart=0#56542
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:62c0ff4d-0216-46ec-9470-db8ca21a0137] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Hi, </p><p>Can I just show up there or would i phone first? also, can anyone recomend any good books on geology and or fossil preperation. I treated my self to a microscope and water table, but i am a bit nervious about picking at some of my finds. </p><p>Thanks again</p><p>Kate</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:62c0ff4d-0216-46ec-9470-db8ca21a0137] -->Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:48:59 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56542?tstart=0#56542kate2014-11-21T08:48:59Z2 years, 2 weeks ago10Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56539?tstart=0#56539
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:84cd18a2-b7fa-4c67-8d3e-6b719dc3e928] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Kate,</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>There are certainly some geometrical similarities. Well done.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>I think you'd need to send/take the specimen to the Angela Marmont Centre at the NHM to have it inspected up-close and personal.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>Mike</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:84cd18a2-b7fa-4c67-8d3e-6b719dc3e928] -->Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:54:20 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56539?tstart=0#56539MikeHardman2014-11-20T22:54:20Z2 years, 2 weeks ago20Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56506?tstart=0#56506
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:ce7a9234-7438-4355-bc15-331044b30088] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-56506-88140/DSC_0044.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0044.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="358" onclick="" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-56506-88140/450-358/DSC_0044.JPG" width="450"/></a>I think I may have identified this fossil threw my own research and learning. That being said I am happy to stand corrected. I think this fossil is a bit of an Ichthyostega/tetrapod spine and leg. Anyone have any thoughts?</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:ce7a9234-7438-4355-bc15-331044b30088] -->Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:50:13 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/56506?tstart=0#56506kate2014-11-20T13:50:13Z2 years, 2 weeks ago30Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49395?tstart=0#49395
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:28ac5b53-3931-4311-82a2-a737bc4a6305] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Thanks Mike, i'll do that and don't worry about it <span class="jive_macro jive_emote" src="/natureplus/4.5.6/images/emoticons/happy.gif"></span></p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:28ac5b53-3931-4311-82a2-a737bc4a6305] -->Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:35:49 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49395?tstart=0#49395kate2014-07-15T12:35:49Z2 years, 4 months ago0Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49387?tstart=0#49387
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:3533ece7-5361-498a-8fa4-6f66f9f23982] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Kate,</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>The first fossil:</p><p><span>email </span><a class="jive-link-email-small" href="mailto:natureplus@nhm.ac.uk">natureplus@nhm.ac.uk</a><span>; ask to get a palaeontologist to give you an opinion.</span></p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>I can't say what fossils might be expected in Romer's Gap, but I would expect them to differ from place to place.</p><p>I suggest you include that in your email above.</p><p>...Basically point them at this thread.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>Sorry not to be able to answer your questions adequately,</p><p>Mike</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:3533ece7-5361-498a-8fa4-6f66f9f23982] -->Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:49:28 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49387?tstart=0#49387MikeHardman2014-07-15T10:49:28Z2 years, 4 months ago10Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49379?tstart=0#49379
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:836b13ec-460e-446b-abf2-df903676ce58] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Thanks for the 'Gap' explanation, Mike. I managed to work out that much for myself. Maybe it was the way I asked my question that you never understood. So here it is again, more precise/understandably this time. What fossils do they expect to find in the Romer&rsquo;s gap? And how do I find out more the fossil in the first picture? Incidentally, these fossils were found not far from the area in Berwickshire that the universities have just or are just about to spend a substantial amount of money digging up, in the search for the Romer&rsquo;s gap. Maybe I have found it for them (or my granddad did and I just went back there).</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:836b13ec-460e-446b-abf2-df903676ce58] -->Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:33:30 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/49379?tstart=0#49379kate2014-07-15T09:33:30Z2 years, 4 months ago20Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48783?tstart=0#48783
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:bd9ab3af-d46a-424f-86e3-136cd1f9ff6c] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Kate,</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>I think all the first lof photos are plant fossils.</p><p>But I don't know for sure about the first one.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>The next lot are all brachiopods, as far as I can tell; it is a little tricky to 'see' some of them.</p><p>...Ending with what I think are more likely to be roots, though I get the impression they are flattened objects rather than linear, so maybe not. That is, it is difficult to ID from just photos.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>Romer's Gap:</p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Once upon a time nobody had found any fossils. Years later, lots had been found, but dating was not well understood. Many decades later, a detailed stratigraphy had been developed for all the rocks aroung the world, determining not only their sequence but their actual age in years. Once a lot of fossil collecting had been done, and they had been attributed to (numerically-aged) strata, the distribution of fossils through time became apparent. That was, and is, an ongoing process. Inevitably some parts of the time-scale had more fossils than others (in terms of number of species and number of individuals) - that just statistics. So inevitably there were some time-spans where no fossils had been found, anywhere. As fossils continue to be found, some of those gaps get closed. In reality, you could say that our concept of such a gap changes over time. That is, as the old (big) gaps get filled, the remaining (smaller) gaps become the norm, until they, too get filled; and so on. Romer's Gap is just one of those gaps, distinguished by being a relatively large one, though fossils have now been found in it - so it is no longer strictly a gap. But it is still a time-span where fossils are rare. </span></p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p>Sorry to take a while to get to your question.</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mike<br/></span></p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:bd9ab3af-d46a-424f-86e3-136cd1f9ff6c] -->Fri, 04 Jul 2014 15:35:37 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48783?tstart=0#48783MikeHardman2014-07-04T15:35:37Z2 years, 5 months ago30Re: Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48770?tstart=0#48770
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1cfe2f9c-759f-46b3-9717-47e9e0d64cd0] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>Is there anybody out there?? this is the longest you've ever taken, have i stumped you this time??</p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1cfe2f9c-759f-46b3-9717-47e9e0d64cd0] -->Fri, 04 Jul 2014 10:58:48 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48770?tstart=0#48770kate2014-07-04T10:58:48Z2 years, 5 months ago40Romer's gap fossilhttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48645?tstart=0#48645
<!-- [DocumentBodyStart:d33faa05-2359-4330-8cb5-56f04d2347d4] --><div class="jive-rendered-content"><p>As you will be able to tell from my past posts, i'm a complete novice fossil hunter. However, I am working really hard on learning as much as I can about ancient plant and animal life, so forgive me if this is off the wall. Anyway, while doing some research I came across the museum of Scotland&rsquo;s exhibition, titled "Evolutions missing Chapter" </p><p><a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/past_exhibitions/evolutions_missing_chapter.aspx">http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/past_exhibitions/evolutions_missing_chapter.aspx</a></p><p>One of the pictures on this site is apparently a fossilised shark spine, found in the Tweeddale valley (Scottish Borders). Anyway, picture 1,2,3, below, is what we found in Central Scotland, last week. Could this also be a shark spine from the Romer's gap and could you tell me a bit about what the Romer's gap is (in lay man's). Pictures 4,5,6,7 look like skin maybe fish . These were all found within 2-3 miles radius of each other. They are all on mud stone and were so fragile they now have pva glue on them. This had to be done to keep them from turning to dust. They were all found on the same strata (in mudstone).</p><p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">&#160;</p><p><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-48645-76496/DSC_0043.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0043.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="450" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-48645-76496/450-450/DSC_0043.JPG" width="450"/></a><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-48645-76497/DSC_0044.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0044.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="358" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-48645-76497/450-358/DSC_0044.JPG" width="450"/></a><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-48645-76498/DSC_0045.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0045.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="301" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-48645-76498/450-301/DSC_0045.JPG" width="450"/></a><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-48645-76499/DSC_0060.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0060.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="253" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-48645-76499/450-253/DSC_0060.JPG" width="450"/></a><a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-48645-76500/DSC_0056.JPG"><img alt="DSC_0056.JPG" class="jive-image-thumbnail jive-image" height="253" src="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-48645-76500/450-253/DSC_0056.JPG" width="450"/></a></p></div><!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:d33faa05-2359-4330-8cb5-56f04d2347d4] -->Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:28:43 GMThttp://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/message/48645?tstart=0#48645kate2014-07-02T18:28:43Z2 years, 5 months ago100