Michael Ryan, Hungerford and 'Them'...

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Old-Salt

Whilst chatting to a work colleague, the subject of Michael Ryan and the 1987 Hungerford massacre came up.

I happened to mention that a chap that worked with my wife was injured during the shootings, to which he suggested that it was a good job that the SAS finished him off when they did.

On seeing the look of suprise on my face, he suggested it was fairly common knowledge at the time and was shocked that I hadn't heard the rumour before.

I have read a little into the events that took place on the 19 August, and there seems to be a gap of almost five hours between Ryan entering the John OGaunt School, and the time of his suicide. Therefore, it is feasible that troops from the CRW wing could have mobilised and travelled the 80 miles from Hereford to Hungerford, and given him the good news.

But how long would it have taken for the relevent authorities to proceed with decisions regarding transfer of power (MACP)? According to the book 'HUNGERFORD - ONE MANS MASSACRE' by Jeremy Josephs, "The Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, holidaying in Cornwall, was kept informed on a special phone line from Downing Street." So, again, it is feasible that the respective decisions could have been made.

Can anyone shed any light on this or is it just another urban myth to be consigned to the 'Bullshit File'?

I gave up masturbating once. It was the worst eight hours of my life...

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LE

I think he's getting mixed up with Barry Prudom.
He was tracked by Eddie Mcgee ex SAS and killed himself at Malton Golf Club

We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort:
As the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war.
This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany.
The shame will always be with us.

LE

That reads like a thriller. Surprised i have never heard of this, especially with the whole Raoul Moat thing.In my defence, i was 4 in 1982...

Three Active Blocked Arrsers
1/ 184461 - Believing the X-files was a documentary series
2/ Gray Fox - Being a Nazi (which is rather bad for a Russian)
3/ John_g - Can start an argument in an empty room (which is probably empty as everyone saw him coming)

LE

Hypothetical, supposing some lunatic is running round shooting people, and a military unit is passing by with weapons and ammo. If they intervened without or before police involvement, where would they stand legally? I suppose you could make a case for self defence, but technically, wouldnt thye be using firearms illegally?

Three Active Blocked Arrsers
1/ 184461 - Believing the X-files was a documentary series
2/ Gray Fox - Being a Nazi (which is rather bad for a Russian)
3/ John_g - Can start an argument in an empty room (which is probably empty as everyone saw him coming)

LE

The Police would do there nut especially if somebody got enthusiastic with an Toy the
police don't get think belt fed or a ugl etc.
But unless it was totally over the top i.e using gmg on speeding motorists (unless in north wales then the police will pay you)
cps would be leaned on .

On a Hot morning in cyprus I found the meaning of anger. Fortunataly I was comftably numb.
The RSM and various other NCO's seemed very agitated.
maybe they should look into counselling?

LE

Hypothetical, supposing some lunatic is running round shooting people, and a military unit is passing by with weapons and ammo. If they intervened without or before police involvement, where would they stand legally? I suppose you could make a case for self defence, but technically, wouldnt thye be using firearms illegally?

Legaly, unless they were being fired upon tis Murder, see Lee Clegg. CPS would have a dickie fit Mp's would go apeshit. lawyers would wet themselves, Police can only shoot pre empitavly (spelling?) with the say so of a very senior officer.

LE

Old-Salt

I seem to recall reading a book by the RSM of 22 SAS (can't remember the name - sorry), it detailed his career upto the Gulf War 1. There is definitely mention of him passing Hungerford during the incident. He approached the local plod and identified himself and was politely fucked off.
Maybe it's all hidden in the Nemisis files?

If no plan survives first contact etc...
Why have I just built a model and wrote a set of orders at 3 in the bloody morning?

LE

Swinger

Legaly, unless they were being fired upon tis Murder, see Lee Clegg. CPS would have a dickie fit Mp's would go apeshit. lawyers would wet themselves, Police can only shoot pre empitavly (spelling?) with the say so of a very senior officer.

I beg to differ, in my newbie humble opinion you can act in self defence (for yourself or a n other), even using a pre-emtive strike if you can justify it, I.e he was pointing the gun at someone but hadn't shot yet.