I don't like it. Snyder is all style over substance. 300 and Watchmen are both soulless eye-candy. Off of the list from the end of September, he was the guy I wanted the least. Although maybe if it ends up with a melding of the heart and emotion of Nolan's films with Snyder's artistic style and eye for action, then maybe it will be worth it. Otherwise we're going to end up with a long, pretty movie that under the shiny plastic surface is cold and dull.

So basically the second movie will be just like the last one?

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**** Dark Knight. Bale's acting was awful, the plot was ridiculously convoluted, the ending sucked, and Maggie Gyllenhaal is uglier than a bulldog's asshole. And Ledger's Joker did nothing for me. And NO, I don't give a **** that he drugged himself to death, nor do I think he deserved an Oscar because of it. My apologies to all of you out there who keep candlelit shrines to the guy in your closets.

I thought Ledger was fantastic as the Joker and I don't give a crap that he died. Yes his death made people pay more attention to it than they would have otherwise, but I think that, even if he'd have lived, most would still say that it was the best villian ever played in a comic book adaptation.

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I loved Ledger's joker. About a trillion times better than Nicholson's.

Both were completely different interpretations of the Batman genre as were the versions of Joker. Under Burton with Keaton & Nicholson they tried to walk the line between campy and dark. Almost a nod to the television series with Adam west, yet still trying to capture the darker side of the dark knight.

Schumacher was basically pure glamour and visually cartoonlike. I really didn't care for either of his versions.

Nolan went completely dark in a much more gritty adaptation that featured more believable villians. I believe it appealed more to the people in my own age range than any of the others.

I really don't care for Bale and hate the way he changes his voice when he puts on the mask, but I don't care to see them recast the film for fear of it following the same fate of Schumachers films.

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Bale's acting is awful, but Michael Keaton was . . . Better? Please.

The ending was true to the spirit of Batman. I disagree re: convolution of plot, especially when you compare it to Watchmen.

Maggie Gyllenhaal's looks are irrelevant to the actual film. Ledger's joker was gritty and realistic within the context of the universe. Sorry you don't agree, because it was really quite good.

I'm very curious how he will be cast. I'm hoping that he goes in the direction of the elder statesman, and not the young hunk. I don't want to see a Jude Law or Tom Hardy Zod. I'd be very open to seeing Terence Stamp reprise the role, but if that's out of the question, then who better to play the ultimate supervillain than the ultimate villain character actor: Alan Rickman.

Here I was reading your entire post, agreeing with everything you'd written and thinking to myself "Taco is alright when he's not talking football" and then you throw in a geriatric 65 year old as the "ultimate villain charactor". Rickman is too old, IMO, to really be believable as a threat to the Man of Steel. Don't really have an answer as to whom would be better.

Here I was reading your entire post, agreeing with everything you'd written and thinking to myself "Taco is alright when he's not talking football" and then you throw in a geriatric 65 year old as the "ultimate villain charactor". Rickman is too old, IMO, to really be believable as a threat to the Man of Steel. Don't really have an answer as to whom would be better.

The main problem was trying to do a 21st century superman movie that was a sequel to a 1980 movie. Hence lex, lois with a kid, etc. I thought they should have rebooted completely, which they are now. But I enjoyed the movie despite that. Albeit not to the point that I've seen it more than a couple times. It's one of those "catch it by chance on HBO" movies.

All I know is that Luthor had better be a side villain rather than the main villain and I hope they get rid of all the comedy for this one as well.

Completely agree. Luthor should take a back seat, he's a meddling presence in my mind and definitely not the lead. Smallville did some of that character justice by keeping his behind the scenes issues hidden from 's view and then Zod in Lex's body.

Between Zod, Brainiac & Doomsday they have plenty to work with. I really don't think any of the big name directors really get it. Even Kevin Smith screwed up his shot at the franchise when he bowed to execs and ended up putting down a horrible script.

I really wanted to like Returns, but it failed. I liked the original one and that was really it II was okay. Richard Pryor, are you freaking kidding me?

If anyone can save/make the movie franchise worthy of my dollars, its Nolan. Cinematically I don't think there is anyone that is as capable as him. With him and Snyder, I'm expecting good things.

Completely agree. Luthor should take a back seat, he's a meddling presence in my mind and definitely not the lead. Smallville did some of that character justice by keeping his behind the scenes issues hidden from 's view and then Zod in Lex's body.

Between Zod, Brainiac & Doomsday they have plenty to work with. I really don't think any of the big name directors really get it. Even Kevin Smith screwed up his shot at the franchise when he bowed to execs and ended up putting down a horrible script.

I really wanted to like Returns, but it failed. I liked the original one and that was really it II was okay. Richard Pryor, are you freaking kidding me?

If anyone can save/make the movie franchise worthy of my dollars, its Nolan. Cinematically I don't think there is anyone that is as capable as him. With him and Snyder, I'm expecting good things.