Comments on: Three-way trade sends Tony Scheffler to Detroit, Ernie Sims to Phillyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/19/three-way-trade-sends-tony-scheffler-to-detroit-ernie-sims-to-philly/
ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comMon, 03 Aug 2015 00:19:16 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: trm989http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/19/three-way-trade-sends-tony-scheffler-to-detroit-ernie-sims-to-philly/#comment-569792
Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:48:19 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569792And will you IDIOTS please stop saying that Ernie Sims was our best defensive player these past years. Shaun Rogers says hello. Heck, even Louis Delmas made more of an impact his first year then Sims ever did in “4 years.”
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:45:36 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569791ANYONE who thinks that Ernie Sims was an “above-average” player here is an idiot who has NEVER watched a Lions game ONCE during Sims’ tenure. Just for comparisons sake — Paris freakin’ Lenon was racking up 120 tackle seasons as a starter on our team. He got benched last season for a ROOKIE.
He will probably put up high tackle stats in Philly, but also get engulfed by the offensive-line and cause a 15 yard gain. Not to mention this guy gets abused like a ragdoll by TEs.
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:25:31 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569790Its funny how many people forget about Follett. 7th round pick who moved from practice squad, to a special teams star and right into the starting lineup with this trade.
Sims high tackle #’s are also misleading in the fact that the defense was so bad those years that they were on the field for long periods which allowed higher numbers. Those numbers have nothing to do with talent. I hope he does well in Philly, but he’s definitely not a fit in Detroit’s new defense.
And no one forgot about Pettigrew. They were visiting TE prospects because Linehan always uses 2 TE sets and with Fitz retiring, they needed another option. Sheffler gives them a top option and makes this offense potentially explosive without giving up or paying much. And moving away from Sims, who was another Millen mistake, by getting Sheffler and a 7th in return was a bonus.
People can say “same old Lions” all they want, but if you’ve been paying attention, you’d see that this front office is definitely not the same old, and they actually are making strides at improvement. No one was expecting a turn around like Atlanta or Miami and going from 0-16 to the Superbowl. Its a process. They’ll improve this year and be pushing for the playoffs by next season.
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:37:26 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569789I agree with Bobby above, a low risk move for the Eagles. Sims has some obvious limitations (I’ve watched every game he’s played) but he does bring a lot of passion to the field and he his a good guy to have in the locker room. I trust that the Eagles have done their homework and see the same limitations and will put him in position where he can best be an asset. I hate to dog the guy because he’s one of the ‘good guys’ but Kirwin said on Sirius yesterday that an OL told him that when he went to block Sims he was off in totally different area than where he should’ve been, and that Schwartz/Cunningham were so flabbergasted with him that they just blitzed him all the time. But it’s a vet for a 5th round pick and I don’t see the harm in that. I would look to Detroit to sign one of Schwartz’s favorite players to fill Sims’ slot – Keith Bullock.
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:21:56 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569788To me this is low risk/high reward for the Eagles. If he sucks it is only a 5th round pick. They can draft or acquire a LB next season. If he pans out then they got a steal. I didn’t watch enough Lions games to make an informed decision on Sims. Sometimes a change of scenery does a player well, especially when you were on a team that won one more game in 4 seasons than the Eagles won last season. I hear he is good in the locker room, which the Eagles need. Time will tell.
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:15:56 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569787Sims is terrible. Please stop kidding yourselves and watch a football game.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:55:22 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569786All the people responding saying stuff like
“Sims was Detroits best player”
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“Another TE?” Like they’ve never heard of a 2 TE set and don’t realize that Scheffler and Pettigrew are total opposites as types of TEs.
All you’re doing is making youselves look like football retards.
Sims SUUUUUUCKKS!!! He was beat out by a rookie LB last year and wouldn’t of been a starter this year.
We traded a backup player for a starter to BE OUR BACKUP. How is that bad?
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:22:21 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569785@ ToledoLions
Well have fun with all your te’s, lolololololol. How does it feel to be the laughing stock of the league for so many years now????? What a joke of a franchise. Enjoy your 3 wins this year. I cant wait to see the lions draft a te in the first round this year.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:04:20 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569784Lions2x says:
April 19, 2010 12:31 PM
Ok, so I had to sign up for an account for this one…
First off… any Lions fan that says Ernie was good must have not watched Ernie play.
Yes, he is fast and hits hard… only problem is he has a football IQ of ZERO
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Hell, if i played for Detroit i would have ZERO IQ
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:37:11 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569783the lions just pulled a Houston Rockets-like trade off, good for them
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:31:20 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569782O.k.,
I’ll ease off my earlier comments.
Ernie is no game-changer, but our LB corps last year, along with Louis Delmas, was our ONLY bright spot on defense.
So they’ve let Larry Foote go, got rid of Sims, and they expect to keep that one area competitive by……..adding a tight end……
The Tight End part is confusing.
I have no clue about what Denver gets out of this deal at all….
The Lions now have to add a solid OLB or WILL. I think they can add ONE in the second round of the draft, but they will have to acquire someone in free agency now, AND, since they’veburned the second round pick on a LB, there is a higher probability now that they don’t draft a CB at all and sign Lito Sheppard……maybe even the “rain Maker”……
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:33:46 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569781ToledoLions, GoForkUrself, BigBenBangedBarbisBackside, brianb4233…people who get it.
Thank you
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:20 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569780My god the Broncos are stupid.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:22:55 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569779@GoForkUrself
Dont compare a 4-3 OLB to a 3-4 OLB in a stat like tackles. Not to mention an average 4-3 OLB to a GREAT 3-4 OLB
That is not proving your point.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:54:03 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569778@ MrSmithTP,
Sims high in tackles is 134 not 170+, and he has never had more than 100 solo tackles in a single season. Guess what his high is in sacks and interception for a year, 1. So he can get tackles 10-15 yards downfield, but ANY NFL LB can do that. Sims isn’t even close to a playmaker. He is anohter mediocre LB that should be a backup in the NFL. Seriously, instead of making shit up out of your ass, why don’t you look at his stats and watch some film on him before you proclaim him a demi-god.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:48:33 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569777@ Sneki
I agree that trade was some bullcrap. A year and a half ago I blasted Jerrah for that crap and am still pissed. However, my comments were not comprimised by the Roy E Williams trade (even though it was an abomination)
Skeletor needs to learn the value of draft picks. He was not trading away talent for peanuts, rather waaaaaaay overspending on a lack of talent.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:48:22 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569776This is huge. The Lions will win the SB because of this.
Keep up the Lions talk.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:47:28 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569775Do you know what it means when one OLB gets so many tackles? That means the defense is horrendous, and that the D-line never stopped the running game. It doesn’t make him good at all. Sims has almost twice as many tackles as Demarcus Ware in the same number of games. Does that make Sims better? It just goes to show that tackles is a near meaningless stat. For people that watched the Lions play, it was easy to see Sims wasn’t getting any better, and almost always went the wrong way and was a liability on defense.
The Lions traded him because Sims was on the last year of his contract and the Lions wouldn’t re-sign him anyway because they want to be done with him.
Getting the 7th would have been almost acceptable on its own. Getting a solid young TE made it a superb trade. Given the Lions have no receiving core, there is no reason they wouldn’t always run two TE sets. Scheffler and Pettigrew both have much better hands and route running ability than any receiver not named Calvin Johnson or Nate Burleson on the team.
Denver really got shorted, and the Eagles will find they wasted a 5th round pick, just like the Lions wasted a 1st on Sims. Sims is too small, and even worse, too stupid.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:43:23 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569774Some of you are fools?
This move is what all 3 teams wanted….
#1 – Sheffler was a head case, and had issues with Mcdaniels…I think it is exclusive to Mcdaniels, because the little arrogant fool, is completely destroying the team!!!! But they didnt get along, and Like Marshall, good ridence…
#2. The lions acquire a Stud at TE. He is a top 5 TE in this league, no doubt! With some offensive line help, and with the receivers they are putting in place for Stafford(whom is a stud too) the lions will start being awfully naughty on offense.
FYI- Pettigrew has a bad knee injury, and may not be 100% til mid to late Season…They wanted to shore up that position, which they did.
Also, the lions have alot of picks in the early and late rounds, with a handful of Money and will fill the Sims position all day long!
#3 The Sims to Philly gives them immediate linebacker help!!! Remember last year, Phily was so depleted they were bringing in retired players for tryouts, they somehow nailed down whitherspoon? correct spelling? I am not sure, but he ended up being a stud. So this helps everyone involved…I am die hard Vikings fan, but a closet Lions ally too. I would love to see this team come from the Black hole, and start tearing this up, Matt Millen should be banned from the league…Does anyone else get annoyed watching him do the pre and post game analysis????? Its embaressing to watch him….does anyone , really anyone take him even a little bit serious?????
SKOL
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:37:44 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569773@ MrSmithTP,
Yea Sims is good enough to lose his starting spot to a rookie that was a 3rd round pick last year. Sims had those tackles in his rookie year. Tackles don’t mean shit buddy. Paris Lenon had 150+ tackles when we went 0-16, and he is so good that he is a backup on the Rams. Sims is an undersized OLB who plays like an undersized MLB. The Eagles pass coverage and run defense will suffer now.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:30:46 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569772to howboutdemcowboys…
Check the Roy Williams (WR) trade before you go mouthing off about the Lions ability to trade for value now that Millen is gone. Great investment researching his value to your team.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:27:28 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569771“brianb4233 says:
April 19, 2010 2:05 PM
Sims is a liability at OLB. If the Eagles play him there and the opposing RB busts off a 25+ dash around the end, back up the DVR and I’ll bet you’ll see Ernie shooting the wrong gap or diving and missing. Either the Eagles think they can reclamate him at OLB or they’ve scouted the film and they’ll let him play the middle where he doesn’t have to operate in a lot of space
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“Reclamate”..Wasn’t that a warren G song??..Duh dun dun de doo de dooo dah..”16 in the clip and one in the hole, Nate Dogg ….”..??? Emmit Smith Class of 2010 superstar Grammar Champ….brianb4233
Hopefully Tapp and Bell and Jackson get themselves reclamated too this year…..7 high draft picks left still…Maybe the Kolb era will be good……………
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:24:15 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569770brianb4233
Finally someone who gets it.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:05:22 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569769Sims is a liability at OLB. If the Eagles play him there and the opposing RB busts off a 25+ dash around the end, back up the DVR and I’ll bet you’ll see Ernie shooting the wrong gap or diving and missing. Either the Eagles think they can reclamate him at OLB or they’ve scouted the film and they’ll let him play the middle where he doesn’t have to operate in a lot of space.
Scheffler will fit into what Linehan is doing on that offense and becomes the 3rd best receiver on the roster behind Johnson and Burleson. And he’s not there to take Pettigrew’s spot, he’s there to create mismatches in the passing game, as in when Pettigrew is healthy he won’t come out of the game for Scheffler, it will be a 2-TE formation.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:03:37 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569768Well it may seem like the Lions are planning to run the wishbone except they are stockpiling receiving TE’s instead of blocking.
Maybe they are planning to run the same 2 TE sets Indy runs. Difference is they can block. This one is a head scratcher.
Clearly the model is offense first and defense last. Or is it last in defense….again. WTF
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:01:35 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569767Boy, a lot of sour grapes from Lions fans. The leagues most clueless franchise just made another bone head move. Hey nice first round pick last year in Pettigrew. So nice that your team went out and made a deal this off season to get another te. For all you Lions fans who say say Simms misses a lot of tackles. Well he may not of lived up to being the 9th pick in draft but didnt he have 170+ tackles a couple of years ago? That doesnt sound like a lot of missed tackles. Look what he has had to endure. Constant Coaching changes and scheme changes not to mention inferior talent around him. I think the Eagles system will be perfect for him and he will thrive. Cant wait to see the Lions draft another te in first round this year, lolololololololol
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:59:39 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569766The Eagles have a history of getting good value out of fifth round picks…
…when they’re not pissing them away on roster fillers and training camp bodies. I had a strong gut feeling they were going to put this year’s eleven draft picks to good use. So much for strong gut feelings
I think the Lions did fairly well on this deal.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:42:51 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569765Lions fans,
All of your remarks that breaks Sims down sounds like this to me. . . Sims is incredibly fast and tackles well, however he had really bad coaching and was never taught this defensive scheme. He fits better in Philly’s D because they have better coaches that will actually teach him what to do.
Bottom line he has the intagibles, but unless you personally know him to be a moron then it was bad coaching and misuse of his talent.
You saw what happened to Roy Williams “the safety” when all of the sudden they told him he had to play center field. He couldn’t. Did that mean he wasn’t a playmaker and a probowler before that? Nope. But bad coaching and misuse of talent sure puts a guy in a bad spot.
Just because Sims wasn’t as useful there doesnt mean he wasn’t worth more to another team. . .LEARN THE PLAYERS VALUE TO ANOTHER TEAM BEFORE YOU TRADE HIM FOR PEANUTS
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:36:55 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569764I guess now that Ernie is traded lions fans want to say is that he was a bust, or that he was injury prone when he started every game his first three years of his career..mistake? he started eight games last year. three and a half seasons and the guy has 420 tackles. my favorite number. props to the eagles for giving nothing but a fifth. a complete steal.
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Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:30:52 +0000http://localhost/wp/nbcprofootballtalk/?p=74923#comment-569763I love this for the Eagles. Despite the mixed reports from Lions fans about Sims, the Eagles must think he fits their system like a glove, because they seriously considered drafting him. And for a 5th rounder? Why the heck not? Chances are he’s going to be better than that 5th round player.
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