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simonikeron Monday November 10, 2003 @05:22PM
from the thing-ized-thing dept.

Henry G. writes "Lionstracs of Italy has released the Mediastation X-76 music workstation. It runs Red Hat and KDE 3.1. The base model features a 1.67 Ghz Athlon, 512MB RAM, 80GB HD, CDRW/DVD-ROM, 8.2" LCD, and a host of other things. Full specs can be found here and pictures can be found here. To this submitter, it looks more like a keyboardized computer than a computerized keyboard."

The Germans use H for B (and B for B-flat), that should help. (Thus Bach managed to encode his name into the last fugue he wrote, and it breaks off unfinished soon after he introduces that motif). Even more possibilities occur when you consider that E-flat is written Es, F-sharp is Fis, etc. Dmitry Shostakovich used DSCH (= D - Eflat - C - B) in many of his works.

some musician (at least ones i know) when they want to spell out a word in music they basically start over at A after G so the alphabet essential gets a mod G so G = N mod G so if you wanted to spell out your favorite super hero name in music (Which my friend did)
GREEN LANTERN
GDEEG EAGFEDG

Apparently, in German of the day, a B-flat was written 'B', while a B was written 'H'. Johann Sebastian included the phrase Bb A C B as a signature motif in some of his works. At least, that's what I've read-- I have an ear that's more tinny than a soup can.

Actually, it doesn't look any more computerized than many other keyboard workstations out there (e.g., Yamaha Motif). The fact that you can hook up external LCDs, etc. in order to more fully exploit what's under the hood will put it a generation beyond.

What I mean is that the UIs on most keyboards suck by virtue of the fact that the designers must cram thousands of voices, features, and functions into a 320x160 display having eight function keys and a dial. The option to pay extra for a full blown screen, for example, is something that many musicians would jump at.

Right. I purchased a Korg Trinity about 4 years ago, and it has a GUI touchscreen, optional hard drive, OS updates, the whole nine yards. It's an amazing piece of technology (even today), but I feel it was a bit hobbled by its measely 32-voice polyphony. If I'm reading the specs on this Lionstracs board, it has (256???) voice polyphony? I'd like to hear this thing.

Well, Apple bought eMagic and Apple has a long history of porting applications to Linux such as Quicktime... no wait... iTunes... no no hang on... WebObjects... ummmm. Apple is not interested in a 3 party OS world, it's them and Microsoft PERIOD. So long as Apple owns Logic, it will NEVER get ported to Linux because Apple like to imagine they're still number 2 even though we all know they're number 3 now.

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The site does seem to be behaving slowly, but perhaps that's because some "expert" told the company that "surfers love clicky color-changy grafx!"

The focal point is a picture of a keyboard, with these "helpful" navaids:

Click on the upper left part of the Mediastation to view the features.

Click on the upper right part of the Mediastation to view the specifications.

Click on bottom left part of the Mediastation to view the demos.

Click on the bottom right part of the Mediastation to view the screenshots.

Wow, that's clear. I always think "Demo" when I look at the bottom left corner of a keyboard at Best Buy.

It's a computerized keyboard, which implies a computer-human interface. Let's hope that the design team responsible for the web site wasn't allowed anywhere near the actual prodcuct. "Click on the penguin's right toe for MIDI Configuration!"

The AC says: I'd like to know what you consider as an intuitive wedesign

Well, I'd send you to my own site [dixie-chicks.com], but I'm afraid that what it lacks in flashy, useless graphics is more than made up for by its difficult navigation, dead links, and outdated information...

Read "Designing Web Usability" by Jakob Nielson. Great book, and not very expensive. It has plenty of examples for all of the points covered.

The problem here is that the interface forces the user to make arbitrary connections between parts of a picture and functions/parts of the site. Without the descriptive text (which happens all too often), the user would have the additional burden of remembering which part does what. This one is a bit better than most: it clearly indicates which parts can be clicke

Hopefully more things like this will open up the doors to more serious high-end audio tools for Linux. Lack of such things is probably the one thing keeping me from switching over completely. As for Red-Hat... well, a custom Linux distro made for audio production workstations would garner some attention, no doubt.

From a musician's standpoint, I doubt many would care what OS their sound-making device is running. Most musicians just want a device that is stable, affordable, and sounds like they want it to sound. Lots of coveted synths (say, the Access Virus C) run an embedded OS, and musicians are totally happy with that.

With software synths (Reason, Reaktor, plus the various VST and DXi synths available) gaining in popularity, a laptop and a small USB keyboard are all many electronic musicians need to get going. Factor into this the low cost (since downloading of MP3s is killing small/new artists more than it harms anyone associated with the RIAA), and the fact that even electronic musicians are not highly technically savvy ("Yo, mate, I plugged my 'board into the Insert Jack on this Mackie, becuase I want to Insert the sound, right?"), musicians will tend to go with what everyone else is using because then support is easy to find. Unless some new device offers some unique and killer sound with a dirt simple or intuitive user interface, it's just another box destined to fade into obscurity.

Yeah, we care about Linux. We care that it doesn't run Pro Tools well (or at all?), (as far as I know) does not support USB output of audio, does not run any quality professional software, and will not be supported by most major soundcard manufacturers.

M-Audio does not support Linux. I have one of those. Both of those programs are BETA versions. Yeah, I wanna trust my $10,000 studio to BETA software. We're running Macs with ProTools, good luck getting us to convert. Why did I spend $2,000 on proven, reliable, proprietary software & hardware to find out I can give it all up and get the same thing for free with non-proprietary hardware? Because it's NOT a beta version. They barely support the de facto though not de "jure" (Latin, not French please) VST

Musicians aren't always the ones making the decisions. Think about it this way. Would a musician be the one deciding what OS to develop on?Many times the musician will seek help in determining what software he/she wants or needs. My friend, a musician, has been talking to me about computers, software, etc. that his group could use to record and do various other stuff. Also, I doubt that there aren't at least a few hundred musicians out there that use and maybe even develop on Linux.

First off the availability [linux-sound.org] is slowly but steadily [hitsquad.com] increasing. With projects like Ardour [sourceforge.net] nearing major releases even professional recording studios are starting to take note. Even the home user is finding more [sourceforge.net] useful tools available. And with preemptive [tech9.net] kernels there's lots of possibilities.

The future for Linux holds many things. Hackers composing music? You bet.

Most musicians just want a device that is stable, affordable, and sounds like they want it to sound.

True, and Linux would fit the bill when it comes to stability and affordability. As to "sounding like they want it to sound", A/D or D/A conversion with the same sound card should produce the same results regardless of the OS. You can get ALSA support for most contemporary sound cards.
But yes, VST plugin support sucks in Linux at the moment. I wish it were otherwise. Give me even a half decent multitrack w

I wish I were joking. The former guitarist for SMP (currently half of the Seattle band Doll Factory) worked tech support at Mackie, and you would not believe the phone calls he would get. Not only is the above quote direct from a call he got, but he had irate customers who couldn't find the "custom cable" for the onboard microphones in the Mackie 8 Bus Consoles. Apparantly they thought the holes drilled in the plates above the surface mounted talkback microphones were custom jacks.

No i didn't. With Ardour you can _record_ the music you're making with other applications, or with hardware synthesizers. But you cannot _make_ music with that application per se.To actually make that music, you need some sequencers of sorts, some synthesizers, etc. That's where Rosegarden, Hydrogen, etc. enter the scene.

"To this submitter, it looks more like a keyboardized computer than a computerized keyboard."

What it is, is a music workstation - it allows you to compose, arrange, and send to disc all your musical thoughts. Whether it's music or not...

The backend to a music workstation needs to have more guts to it these days, which is why they are letting you know what's under the hood in the OS department. My preference is to have a PC that you can trade out all the components for, including recording & m

Professional audio is one of Linux's weak points. Kernel 2.6 might help by integrating ALSA completely and making MIDI less of a bitch to configure, but there is still vast room for improvement in setup and the available software packages. Hopefully, if this is a success, Lionstracs will be investing in relevant OSS (abbreviating for "software", not "digital dog turd masquerading as a sound system") projects.

Yes and no. While many of the essential sound apps are still in beta, ALSA pretty much kicks the crap out of Coreaudio and ASIO. What's lacking now is more polished apps, and some better documentation and easier setup of ALSA, but I wouldn't categorize professional audio as a weak point of linux. Amidst the somewhat tedious clones of proprietary applications, there are some truly innovative gems, like jack for instance, which needed a sufficiently advanced OS like linux to be developed. The last few years h

Plugzilla costs $3500...for that price I can see why I've never heard of this box before.
It is a great idea but the price is to high.Most musos and engineers these days are thinking about using their old computer(s) to run software FX and their new computers for the workstation.

I think the reason that computers will never fully take over is because computers don't really multi-task or run operations in parallel. They try to fool us by changing quickly from one task to another. However a 96 channel desk

I got a prodikeys for my girlfriend for her birthday last year. I got a bad one out of the box, but they replaced it. I was kind of dissapointed to find that while it advertises standard MIDI compatibility, this is provided by a software driver only, and the keyboard still plugs into the PS/2 port.. Thus it requires a special driver to show up as a MIDI device.. no working in Linux, etc. yet anyway... I really wonder why they didn't make it USB and have it show up as two USB devices (one MIDI interface, on

Can't RTFA thanks to 'the effect'. Anyone know how much they are charging for this contraption? I have been in the music business for 7 years or so, never heard of 'Lionstracs'. Is this a complete digital audio workstation? Does it offer any significant advantages? I use Logic 4.7 on a G4 tower and Logic 6 on a G3 iBook. I can hook up a usb midi controller for the keyboard if I wanted one. (I prefer to click all the notes into place with a mouse..) I can't imagine anything being more powerful than Logic at

It consisted of two boards you plugged into an Apple ][+ or better, and had a piano keyboard, and you could use the Apple to modify the patches, and create sequences, and play music on the piano keyboard. A wonderful sounding instrument that was the closest I have ever gotten to a Fairlight.

Apparently New Order's "Blue Monday" was sequenced using an Apple II. I wonder if they used this system.

Also, I wonder whether Apple had any trouble from the Beatles company when they tried marketing it. (Was that before or after the agreement that Apple Computer could keep their name as long as they stayed out of anything music-related?)

Two things need to happen before Linux can be used in a digital audio setting:

1. Drivers for at least one professional audio card need to be written for linux. I would expect to see multi-channel recording, midi, and ASIO 2.0 drivers at the very least.2. Applications like Cubase, WaveLab, Sonar, and Reaktor need to become available for linux.

We've still got quite a long way to go before this becomes a reality, but if hollywood keeps using Linux for movies then eventually they might start demanding it for

Actually, there are already drivers under ALSA for pro sound cards, like RME Hammerfall Sound cards. There is the linux equivelent of ASIO, and it's called JACK, which gives real-time sound IO for Linux. And there is already a number of free and commercial applications that will do multi-tracking under Linux.

Now all I have to do is get a sample editor under Linux for the Ensoniq EPS keyboard I have...

JACK might be more accurately called the linux equivalent to ReWire than "the linux equivalent of ASIO." However, it does offer a similar callback-based development model to ASIO and apple's CoreAudio. But neither of those allow applications to transparently connect to each other the way JACK does.

1. Drivers for at least one professional audio card need to be written for linux. I would expect to see multi-channel recording, midi, and ASIO 2.0 drivers at the very least.

You're behind the times. ALSA has drivers for the RME cards and for ICE1712-based cards (including M-audio Delta and many others). This has been true for at least a couple years, I don't remember the exact timeline. I use a Delta 66, it works beatifully. With a properly set up system, latency meets or beats any Windows / ASIO platform

Nice to hear that some stuff has low-latency ALSA drivers for it, I didn't know that.

My point is that while solutions may exist for linux, everything I've seen is still lacking compared with the powerhouse apps like Reaktor and Cubase. It would be nice if the big wigs would just port their stuff to linux, but hey it might happen with open source too. If it does though I still think the movie industry is going to be partly responsible for the development that results in widespread professional adoption of o

>1. Drivers for at least one professional audio>card need to be written for linux.

The Delta cards work pretty darn well. But yeah, there isn't anything to compete with Cubase. I wish the Magix folks would just go ahead and release their stuff for Linux. That would do it for me. I actually prefer using Magix Audio Studio over Cubase.

But of course, that isn't the point with this product. It's a great entry point for beginners; and may possibly be an excuse for those with weekly gigs to downsize somewhat and not have to lug multiple sequencers around.

In another comment I found this link:http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/ 007355. html... and there's a comment there from one of the developers. Apparently, other developers on this project include Rob Buse of SEQ24 (really nice little midi-loop sequencer) and Benno Senoner who we've known on the linux-audio-dev list for many years now. Congratulations guys!

On the Synthzone forum they're talking about $5000 (US?). Ouch. Also there is talk of a later entry-level model. OTOH, it's not out of the ballpark for this market; Korg Tritons can be $3400 depending on features.

While the Mediastation X-76 uses embedded Linux within some of the 11 in-house developed DSP cards, it is a hard disk based system with commodity computer components. Of course the value of commodity parts is that they're affordable and users can upgrade them.

The eleven Lionstracs DSP cards are the result of two years and $500,000.00 U.S. of research and development. The basic system includes two wavetable DSP cards with 128 voices on each card. These cards run the sam9708 firmware which is common in high end keyboards. The system can be ugraded to run four wavetable cards, 512 voices. The X-76 is tentatively scheduled for release in April, 2004.

Of course the OS is Linux based, with low latency and preemption patches to the kernel and it runs Alsa. With Alsa the system is able to run Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK). Jack is a low latency audio server that automatically detects hardware ports and user defined application ports. So, routing data from one application to another is simple. Jack also inludes jack_transport where Jack clients are automatically synced to each other. Any jack client can initiate transport commands.

Any available Linux audio applications can be run on the system. Lionstracs will package and maintain a selection of GPL licensed applications including audio, midi and video. Plus, there's modem and ethernet capabilities so software upgrades are "free" (GPL) and automatic.

There will be three unused pci slots available on the basic X-76 system. These pci slots can be occupied with professional grade audio cards like those from RME. So you can build the workstation into a 24 track recording studio.

With JACK and an RME audio card, the user can start Ardour (DAW), JAMin, (audio mastering tools) and Rezound (destructive wave editing). Jack enables routing of the audio chain and syncs the transports. In this scenario the audio source to the mastering tool is multitrack. Very cool!

The X-76 has two hardware transports that can be mapped to any application transport. Of course these applications include sampler, DAW, midi sequencer, etc. One of the included applications is the Lionstracs full featured DJ mixer/player.

Because Linux is a multitasking environment, in live performances a midi sequence that's playing can be fed into the Seq24 based style player where the beat can be changed from rock to reggae on the fly.

The X-76 is designed for live performance where navigation speed to application interfaces is vital. There are 120 configurable hardware buttons on the top panel. The use of a mouse is not necessary.

It also has a 116db dynamic range analog mixer matrix with master, cue and eight stereo in/outs. In a live situation you mix multitrack DAW to stereo_out:1, hardware transports to stereo_out[2,3], sampler_out:4,mic_out1and2:5, etc. This is typical functionality required in DJ/House control systems. Of course it would also be simple to sync MIDI control light mixers and beyond this, the X-76 video outputs can feed projector systems, etc.

The disk based sampler includes time stretch, pitch correction and beat matching algorithms that are usable to +/- 30% without audio artifacts.

because most pro-audio apps use floating point as the basic representation of audio samples, and the athlon wipes the floor in terms of FP performance.intel chips not only have worse FP performance, they have an unbelievably bad problem with denormals that can cause code to slow down by factors of 4-100.