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Well, unfortunately if you are a Non-Hispanic white person then this information will not help us out until 2050, But the U.S. Census is estimating that by 2046-2050 the United State's minority will shift to Non-Hispanic White's. Which brings me to add this interesting though. Do you think that by 2050, if in fact it turns out how they estimated, that the U.S. Medical Schools will look at the Non-Hispanic White minority's just as valuable as they do African Americans, Indian's, Asian's and so on? I am a Non-Hispanic White myself, and I wish this was the case currently!

Well, unfortunately if you are a Non-Hispanic white person then this information will not help us out until 2050, But the U.S. Census is estimating that by 2046-2050 the United State's minority will shift to Non-Hispanic White's. Which brings me to add this interesting though. Do you think that by 2050, if in fact it turns out how they estimated, that the U.S. Medical Schools will look at the Non-Hispanic White minority's just as valuable as they do African Americans, Indian's, Asian's and so on? I am a Non-Hispanic White myself, and I wish this was the case currently!

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Who cares? Really? Since A LOT of schools love bringing in minority classes? Where the hell have you been?

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I don't really spend much time thinking about it. Schools don't love all minorities, just those underrepresented in health care. I don't think non-Hispanic whites will ever fit into that category. So, I still don't care.

I'm a girl.

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I don't really spend much time thinking about it. Schools don't love all minorities, just those underrepresented in health care. I don't think non-Hispanic whites will ever fit into that category. So, I still don't care.

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Well I would have rather you put this, than "Who cares?". I would appreciate it if you wouldn't waste your time posting worthless entries on my threads. And yes, I do believe by 2050 white doctors will be underrepresented. That is opinionated and I am entitled to it so if you think otherwise then cool.

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Well I would have rather you put this, than "Who cares?". I would appreciate it if you wouldn't waste your time posting worthless entries on my threads. And yes, I do believe by 2050 white doctors will be underrepresented. That is opinionated and I am entitled to it so if you think otherwise then cool.

I hope by that time that race will have nothing to do with medical school admissions whatsoever

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I think this is a big issue concerning colleges as well as medical schools. I go to a college that acts like being native american or hispanic is one step short of being Jesus. 2.5 gpa, 1700 SAT? No problem because you make the school appear more diverse by statistics. I swear, the word diversity gets thrown around at my school like you wouldn't believe.

Instead the emphasis should be on real diversity. Cultural, economic, and social diversity. Colleges and medical schools should place an emphasis on recruiting students from disadvantaged backgrounds. In many of those cases, a lower GPA or MCAT score isn't actually indicative of a student's potential, due to their circumstances and preparation. Supporting native americans who live on, or are heavily involved in their reservations, would be admirable. They would bring a new and different perspective to campus, and more importantly, take what they learned and hopefully support their reservation following graduation. Supporting them because their race allows a college/med school to have diverse statistics is BS (and I don't mean biological sciences )

In fact, if diversity and helping those in disadvantaged situations is really the goal, why isn't there more of an effort to support international students? There are no doubt lots of students living in other countries who have a lot of potential. The dynamic they would bring to campus would actually increase diversity (not just because of race), and most importantly, they could return to their countries and help their communities. I have a friend whos mother was a part of the upper class in mexico before moving here, marrying a white man, and giving birth to my friend. He is as westernized as they come, and doesn't speak a word of Spanish, yet he was offered full rides at several schools because of his race (I really was happy for his success, but my point remains). How about instead, colleges go into mexico and find students living in poverty who would be thrilled at the idea of a top notch education. Offer them temporary student visas, and when they graduate, they could return to mexico and really make a difference for their family and community. This is a somewhat far-fetched idea, I realize, but at least take Hispanic students from inner-city LA, or other disadvantaged areas.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the word diversity refer exclusively to race.

To answer the OP's original question, I really hope non-Hispanic whites are never given priority admissions because of race, even if someday we/they become underrepresented. It would only prove that we still can't get over skin color and statistics.

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Minority status isn't based strictly on numbers. I bet whites would still be the majority in professional fields such as medicine because they'd still have the upper hand in society. You can't undo decades of privilege just like that. Look at South Africa: whites are in the minority by far, but they still possess most of the wealth and also more of the resources needed to get into a field such as medicine. Don't get your hopes up.

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Minority status isn't based strictly on numbers. I bet whites would still be the majority in professional fields such as medicine because they'd still have the upper hand in society. You can't undo decades of privilege just like that. Look at South Africa: whites are in the minority by far, but they still possess most of the wealth and also more of the resources needed to get into a field such as medicine. Don't get your hopes up.

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Whites will not be a MAJORITY, but they will still be a PLURALITY. This means that the chances that they will be underrepresented in medicine, in relation to the proportion of the population they make up, is extremely low. So no, probably no URM status in 2050.

They say that whites will be in the minority compared to all other races combined.

Compared to any one race, whites will still be the majority.

Also, Asians do not win any points by being a minority since they are over represented in medicine. There is no reason to believe that even if Whites become the smallest minority group that they would get special treatment like Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans get.

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I think this is a big issue concerning colleges as well as medical schools. I go to a college that acts like being native american or hispanic is one step short of being Jesus. 2.5 gpa, 1700 SAT? No problem because you make the school appear more diverse by statistics. I swear, the word diversity gets thrown around at my school like you wouldn't believe.

Instead the emphasis should be on real diversity. Cultural, economic, and social diversity. Colleges and medical schools should place an emphasis on recruiting students from disadvantaged backgrounds. In many of those cases, a lower GPA or MCAT score isn't actually indicative of a student's potential, due to their circumstances and preparation. Supporting native americans who live on, or are heavily involved in their reservations, would be admirable. They would bring a new and different perspective to campus, and more importantly, take what they learned and hopefully support their reservation following graduation. Supporting them because their race allows a college/med school to have diverse statistics is BS (and I don't mean biological sciences )

In fact, if diversity and helping those in disadvantaged situations is really the goal, why isn't there more of an effort to support international students? There are no doubt lots of students living in other countries who have a lot of potential. The dynamic they would bring to campus would actually increase diversity (not just because of race), and most importantly, they could return to their countries and help their communities. I have a friend whos mother was a part of the upper class in mexico before moving here, marrying a white man, and giving birth to my friend. He is as westernized as they come, and doesn't speak a word of Spanish, yet he was offered full rides at several schools because of his race (I really was happy for his success, but my point remains). How about instead, colleges go into mexico and find students living in poverty who would be thrilled at the idea of a top notch education. Offer them temporary student visas, and when they graduate, they could return to mexico and really make a difference for their family and community. This is a somewhat far-fetched idea, I realize, but at least take Hispanic students from inner-city LA, or other disadvantaged areas.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the word diversity refer exclusively to race.

To answer the OP's original question, I really hope non-Hispanic whites are never given priority admissions because of race, even if someday we/they become underrepresented. It would only prove that we still can't get over skin color and statistics.

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See, ideally, this is what would happen. The problem is the benefit-cost ratio of such a proposal is extremely low; universities simply don't have the motivation to do more than they already are in terms of fulfilling their URM quotas.

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Whites will not be a MAJORITY, but they will still be a PLURALITY. This means that the chances that they will be underrepresented in medicine, in relation to the proportion of the population they make up, is extremely low. So no, probably no URM status in 2050.

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Probably no URM status ever.

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I am a minority at my school and I am classified as non-Hispanic Caucasian. I live in a very diverse area with tons of cultures. I wouldn't have it any other way.

In high school, I was also the minority. I was the only non-Hispanic Caucasian girl in my class. Again, I loved the diversity. I wouldn't have had it any other way. In fact, I was the one being picked on because I didn't fit the school's demographics. I still wouldn't change a thing if I could go back.

I'm not bashing anyone in this thread (I just kinda skimmed over it) nor and I agreeing with the OP. I'm just relating my experience in a culturally diverse area and how it has affected me. I replied because the topic of non-Hispanic Caucasian whites as a minority do apply to me as a resident of Miami in today's world, not 50+ years from now. Taken from wiki based on 2010 census:White or Caucasian (including White Hispanic) 72% (link used to clarify)(Non-Hispanic White or Caucasian) 11.9% (my group)
Black or African-American 19.2%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 70.0%
Asian 1.0%
Native American or Native Alaskan 0.3%
Pacific Islander or Native Hawaiian 0.0%
Two or more races (Multiracial) 2.7%
Some Other Race 4.2%

I used the stats to prove my point for those who have never visited Miami. I'm not bickering or complaining, just explaining that it is possible to be a minority in one region of the US and not in another.

Should scholarships and finaid reflect that? Perhaps, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Well, unfortunately if you are a Non-Hispanic white person then this information will not help us out until 2050, But the U.S. Census is estimating that by 2046-2050 the United State's minority will shift to Non-Hispanic White's. Which brings me to add this interesting though. Do you think that by 2050, if in fact it turns out how they estimated, that the U.S. Medical Schools will look at the Non-Hispanic White minority's just as valuable as they do African Americans, Indian's, Asian's and so on? I am a Non-Hispanic White myself, and I wish this was the case currently!

Affirmative Action exists to ensure that there are doctors that live in predominately minority areas. It doesn't exist in order to have a magical quota number simply for the sake of diversity.

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OP, I think your perspective would be changed a lot by considering a minor or even just a few classes in minority studies (e.g. ethnic studies, women's rights, african-american studies), or even a healthcare focused minor.

I'm not saying that your opinion is either right or wrong. I do think, however, taking a few classes that genuinely take you out of your comfort zone might open your perspective in ways you never thought possible.

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and I say this with a grain of salt b/c i've never had the opportunity to visit oklahoma, but do realize that racial demographics in other states might not be as homogenous as in your state. Dealing with "minorities" in your state might differ greatly than dealing with "minorities" in say california, texas, or hawaii.

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