I would love to dissect the Antananarivo FAST FORWARD. It was also an INTERSECTION, which was a hindrance for the teams in that state and doing "Eat Cows Lips". They apparently were pretty nauseous to eat and doubtless several out of James, Tyler, rob and Kimberly took a long time to do so. They then had to get by taxi to the Cathedral Andohalo. For the regular tasks, the DETOUR of carrying mattresses was not hard for Dustin, Kandice, Erwin and Godwin. Getting a taxi for 4 miles to underneath the pit stop point Andohalo Cathedral, the ROADBLOCK of finding the correct transportation stamps, getting the next clue and climbing the steps all appeared quite easy and not time-consuming.

I attribute the issue to be the mixing of the INTERSECTION with the FAST FORWARD. This leg should have been designed to have a "normal" outcome with a FAST FORWARD team winning, but it was mis-designed by having the DETOUR and ROADBLOCK just too easy and quick to complete.

Here's a TAR 17 fact for y'all!10/12 legs were won by the final 3.Nat/Kat- Legs 4,5,7,10,12Brook/Claire- Leg 2Jill/Thomas- Legs 1,6,9,11Now, the other two winners of legs are Connor/Jonathon & Chad/Stephanie. For both of those teams, the leg after the leg they won, (legs 3 & 8, respectively), they were eliminated the leg after. Jonathon screwed up the Detour, and Chad & Stephanie were too cocky from their win & in love to find an earlier flight. I just rewatched TAR 17, and I noticed that.

Here's a TAR 17 fact for y'all!10/12 legs were won by the final 3.Nat/Kat- Legs 4,5,7,10,12Brook/Claire- Leg 2Jill/Thomas- Legs 1,6,9,11Now, the other two winners of legs are Connor/Jonathon & Chad/Stephanie. For both of those teams, the leg after the leg they won, (legs 3 & 8, respectively), they were eliminated the leg after. Jonathon screwed up the Detour, and Chad & Stephanie were too cocky from their win & in love to find an earlier flight. I just rewatched TAR 17, and I noticed that.

That's an interesting one! I had a quick look at the other seasons, and the Final 3 with the most leg wins was S5 with 12. The ones with the least were S8, S10 and S18 with only 6!

Andy-Tommy become the eliminated team with the best placement average at elimination (2.636), as well as the best placement average of a fourth place team (both previously held by Oswald and Danny in TARAS 2.666), and perhaps the most shocking final elimination since Derek and Drew's elimination in Ho Chi Mihn City in TAR 3.

Andy-Tommy become the eliminated team with the best placement average at elimination (2.636), as well as the best placement average of a fourth place team (both previously held by Oswald and Danny in TARAS 2.666), and perhaps the most shocking final elimination since Derek and Drew's elimination in Ho Chi Mihn City in TAR 3.

Protected 'curses':No team that finishes 7th or 10th in the first leg wins the race.Teams that finished 5th in leg 5 never win the race.

Curses still at risk:No team that finishes 5th in the first leg wins the race (Amani & Marcus).Teams that finished 5th in leg 3 never win the race (Ernie & Cindy).Teams that win the Express Pass finish 3rd (Ernie & Cindy).

Dom El, in my record keeping I have considered double length and legs with no rest period at pit stops to be two legs for placement purposes as it is the only way to balance out the Races with them and without them on an equal basis for comparison. Since the origin of the double legs was a necessity in TAR 6 to avoid violating laws in Hungary about begging, one can justify such distinctions because the only distinction in retrospect was the presence or absence of a rest period/pit stop.

Dom El, in my record keeping I have considered double length and legs with no rest period at pit stops to be two legs for placement purposes as it is the only way to balance out the Races with them and without them on an equal basis for comparison. Since the origin of the double legs was a necessity in TAR 6 to avoid violating laws in Hungary about begging, one can justify such distinctions because the only distinction in retrospect was the presence or absence of a rest period/pit stop.

I do it too. I mean essentially they are NELs, even if you dont wanna call them like that. I mean, it tests the performance of each team to get to a certain point. Each part of the leg get's their own episode, and that way races 1-11 have their 13 episodes, races 12-13 their 11 episodes, and races 14-present, their 12 episodes. which is the structure they wanted to have.

I have another stat for you. Lyn & Karlyn (TAR10) were the first F3 team to never win a leg, Dan & Andrew (TAR13) and Brian & Ericka (TAR15) followed. (I counted Jaime & Cara's win in Beijing, they even got prizes, but if you want to include them that's okay, we'll just have to disagree on the methods).Eric & Danielle (TAR11) and Kisha & Jen (TAR18) are the only two teams that got into the F3 without winning a leg, but ultimately won the race.

I consider the difference to be that in a 'double-length leg', teams are not directed to a Pit Stop, there is no greeter and Phil does not say 'Team Number x'. Since Season 18 though, teams are explicitly directed to a Pit Stop, there is a greeter and Phil does indeed say 'Team Number x'. I know teams work just as hard to win these double length legs, but judging from the number of legs announced at the start line, they are not considered by production to be separate legs, while from Season 18 onwards they are.

Also, while previously Phil would say 'but this leg is not over', he now says 'the next leg starts right now'. I don't think you can go back and add an extra leg to past seasons for the sake of convenience and tidiness.

There is something I don't understand here: you say that only 25 F/F teams won a leg and then you say that 25 F/F teams out of 46 won those legs. So you imply that every leg has been won by a different F/F team , but I know that Nat and Kat won 5 legs, so that's not possible. Can you explain it a little more? What am I getting wrong?

oh, sorry about that, I copied the wrong number, that second number should be 14... i already edited it. Only 14 F/F teams have won legs. (if you exclude Kisha/Jen.2, Dustin/Kandice.2 and Jaime/Cara's mid point win, then that's an incredible low of 11)