In the tradition of pool people stealing money and ideas from one another the WPBA has adopted (stolen) the IPT scoring.

Well, lets take it a few steps further, by having the WPBA adopting a 48 player field with the top 24 staying on the tour each year and the bottom 24 having to qualify.

Qualifying tournaments of the open to all player type being held each year and determined by the WPBA. Having entry fees in the range of $500 to a $1000 for each player to keep out the riff raff and players who just want to impress their friends.

Also the WPBA should raise their entry fee from $500 to $1000 to make the WPBA Tour more exclusive. My favorite quote: “If you can’t afford to pay you won’t be allowed to play” Ha Ha Ha

They should also have a TV table every day of the tournament with the bset players on it. I would love to buy DVD'S of the matches and it would increase the revenues of the WPBA.

av84fun

11-13-2007, 12:17 AM

"In the tradition of pool people stealing money and ideas from one another the WPBA has adopted (stolen) the IPT scoring."

No way. The round robin format has been in use for 50 years if not 100.

On one hand, you have to give credit to the WPBA for shuffling the deck and trying to make their TV shows more interesting.

On the other hand, what they are really trying to do is to make it tougher for Alli and Karen to win so often. That's what the "final 16" single elimination is all about...IMHO.

But, I'm not sure that keeping Alli out of the finals will have the desired result...i.e. creating higher TV ratings by having more "new faces" on TV.

My GUESS is, that if the ratings were tested for this past season, the events with Alli in the TV rounds got higher ratings then when she was not.

This is just a GUESS and possibly someone here has access to the ratings and will confirm or deny my guess.

I just think that the WPBA audience LOVES to see The Duchess of Doom shoot it out.

FOR SURE that theory is true in golf. When Tiger was changing his swing and playing WAY off the pace (and not making the cut at least once) the ratings took a nose dive and picked right back up when he was in the hunt on Sunday.

But it just troubles me that Player A can have 1 loss in the early rounds and still win the event while Player B has the same 1 loss but in one of the final 8 matches and gets sent home.

Just my $0.02

Regards,
Jim

Rich R.

11-13-2007, 07:58 AM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote av84fun:</font><hr> "In the tradition of pool people stealing money and ideas from one another the WPBA has adopted (stolen) the IPT scoring."

No way. The round robin format has been in use for 50 years if not 100.
<font color="red">Don't pay attention to Harry. He is just a sorry little man, who likes to complain about everything. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif </font color>

On one hand, you have to give credit to the WPBA for shuffling the deck and trying to make their TV shows more interesting.

<font color="red">Although I don't always agree with all of their shuffling, I do appreciate their effort. </font color>

On the other hand, what they are really trying to do is to make it tougher for Alli and Karen to win so often. That's what the "final 16" single elimination is all about...IMHO.

But, I'm not sure that keeping Alli out of the finals will have the desired result...i.e. creating higher TV ratings by having more "new faces" on TV.

My GUESS is, that if the ratings were tested for this past season, the events with Alli in the TV rounds got higher ratings then when she was not.

This is just a GUESS and possibly someone here has access to the ratings and will confirm or deny my guess.

I just think that the WPBA audience LOVES to see The Duchess of Doom shoot it out.

FOR SURE that theory is true in golf. When Tiger was changing his swing and playing WAY off the pace (and not making the cut at least once) the ratings took a nose dive and picked right back up when he was in the hunt on Sunday.

<font color="red">I am not privy to any inside information, but I believe the WPBA just wants to let the non-pool playing public know that there are more than two women playing this game. They want to show different faces on TV, that is for sure. </font color>

But it just troubles me that Player A can have 1 loss in the early rounds and still win the event while Player B has the same 1 loss but in one of the final 8 matches and gets sent home.
<font color="red">I definitely agree with you on this point. </font color>

Just my $0.02
<font color="red">Raising the total to $0.04. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif </font color>

Regards,
Jim
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HarryDC

11-13-2007, 10:28 AM

Yes, I am a little guy, 5’ 4” to be exact and it doesn’t stop me typing what I think.

Who doesn’t know how long round robin pool format has been around? Three cushion pool has been using it for years. The round robin stats mean nothing unless the whole tournament is played round robin style and the winning percentage is use to determine the winner.

It's another of pools flying pigs being sold as entertainment and the only buyers are the casinos. What happens when you contract as casino entertainment? You align your act with gambling, drugs, alcohol, prostitution. If that is what the WPBA wants so be it. The casinos are losing a lot of revenue on pool like everyone else does. I think if the WPBA had other venues they would be using them. So far in my life I have never been so desperate that I couldn’t be discriminating in choices of, friends, business associates or any other choices.

Why not have some great players defeat Allison Fisher and Karen Corr fare and square? Instead in the tradition of pool trying to rig the play so Karen and Allison can’t win. What it really comes down to is the product being offered “stinks” I can see it now, the National Football League, changes the rules so the New England Patriots can’t win. Ha Ha Ha

Sorry, sorry pool! Pool reminds me of the weasels in the book “The Wind And The Willows”, if you’re a literate sort, they sold the toad a stolen automobile. WPBA is selling the public a stolen flying pig called round robin. I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer. Allison and Karen will continue winning pool championships no matter how you rig it until better players come along,

bsmutz

11-13-2007, 01:17 PM

"I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer." I swear that has to be at least the 10th time I've read a post by you that said this with many, many contradictory posts in between.

HarryDC

11-13-2007, 03:56 PM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bsmutz:</font><hr> "I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer." I swear that has to be at least the 10th time I've read a post by you that said this with many, many contradictory posts in between. <hr /></blockquote>

“BS”

I am sorry if you did read the quote ten times! I don’t think I typed it ten times, but if I did it’s hard for me to understand why a perfectly intelligent individual like you would read it more than twice. You don’t have to read any of the forum posts, at any website at all, if you don’t want too.

Let me type it again so the subject is perfectly clear. "I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer." Pro pool is an embarrassment.

For example the thought of a pro pool tour fixing the rules so three or four women players couldn’t dominate the tour. “BS” That is real BS!

Rich R.

11-13-2007, 04:34 PM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote HarryDC:</font><hr> Let me type it again so the subject is perfectly clear. "I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer." Pro pool is an embarrassment.

For example the thought of a pro pool tour fixing the rules so three or four women players couldn’t dominate the tour. “BS” That is real BS!
<hr /></blockquote>Harry, if you hate pro pool so much, why do you continue to follow it so closely? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I would think you would have better things to do with your time and energy.

HarryDC

11-16-2007, 02:14 PM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote HarryDC:</font><hr> Let me type it again so the subject is perfectly clear. "I am proud I have nothing to do with pro pool any longer." Pro pool is an embarrassment.

For example the thought of a pro pool tour fixing the rules so three or four women players couldn’t dominate the tour. “BS” That is real BS!
<hr /></blockquote>Harry, if you hate pro pool so much, why do you continue to follow it so closely? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I would think you would have better things to do with your time and energy. <hr /></blockquote>

RichR

You know for once you may be correct. My holiday philanthropy for CYO, the church and the caroling club is starting to keep me very busy.

I am never to busy with my schedule that I can’t take fifteen minutes out to read what hoax the pool charlatans in the forums are trying to perpetrate on the unsuspecting public. I would never miss your disingenuous deprecating remarks.

This is some of the time I saved by not attending the pathetic U S Open. Isn’t it true that only twelve players out of some 233 made enough to cover expenses? Best part Shane Van Boening won. Congratulations Shane! Americans won two in row.

But that is the SOS pool promotes year after year. Sorry some of the players traveled so far for nothing. I will be interested to see if all the players get paid?

Last but not least the U S Open is a loser for any of the spectators. As you can see in the photo below only six spectators in the camera lens are watching a great match up between Mika and Tony. I wonder if it was 10:00 AM in the morning or 02:30 AM he he he Rich I don't see you in this photo? /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Great hours for spectators.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/Gremlin711/US_OPEN_001.jpg
Photo Diana Hoppe

Happy Holidays!!!

Rich R.

11-16-2007, 08:45 PM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote HarryDC:</font><hr> I will be interested to see if all the players get paid?

<font color="red">This wasn't the IPT and Kevin Trudeau, who you were previously cheering for. They are the one's who didn't pay, and there were no attacks on the country or hurricanes to give them an excuse. All players have been paid in full. </font color>

Last but not least the U S Open is a loser for any of the spectators. As you can see in the photo below only six spectators in the camera lens are watching a great match up between Mika and Tony. I wonder if it was 10:00 AM in the morning or 02:30 AM he he he Rich I don't see you in this photo? /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Great hours for spectators.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/Gremlin711/US_OPEN_001.jpg
Photo Diana Hoppe

Happy Holidays!!!
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<font color="red">I guess you don't see me in that photo because I wasn't sitting at ring side. I have no idea what day or time that match was, but it is possible I wasn't there, for a number of reasons. I wasn't there for the entire week. I could have been watching one of the matches at a side table. I could have been eating or sleeping. I will be the first to say, I don't see every single match. Obviously, this match was not at a good time for many people. When you plan a tournament for a possible total of 256 players, not all matches can be scheduled for prime time.

BTW Harry, it is nice to see you giving proper credit when you use someone's photographs without permission. That is a big step forward for you.

Happy Holidays to you too. Maybe for a New Year's resolution, you will stay away from pool and the pool forums totally. Believe me, you and your constant complaints will not be missed.</font color>

av84fun

11-18-2007, 12:59 AM

HarryDC..."Why not have some great players defeat Allison Fisher and Karen Corr fare and square? Instead in the tradition of pool trying to rig the play so Karen and Allison can’t win."

But it didn't work, Karen and Alli STILL won a majority of the WPBA tournaments this season!!

Still, it's unfair and that bother's me. Plus, I think it underestimates the pool TV audience. I think what that audience wants to see are the greatest players playing their greatest.

With no disrespect intended, Karen does not have the sort of personality that gets audiences excited but I would be a bag that the TV matches Alli plays in have higher TV ratings than those she does not play in.

If that is wrong...if new faces get higher TV ratings, then the WPBA is doing the right thing.

Regards,
Jim

Rich R.

11-18-2007, 09:22 AM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote av84fun:</font><hr> With no disrespect intended, Karen does not have the sort of personality that gets audiences excited <hr /></blockquote>
Just a note, for your information.
Away from the table, Karen is very friendly and she has a great sense of humor. It is only at the table that Karen, and many other players, are all business.

If the WPBA could show the general public the true personalities of the players, I think it would definitely increase their ratings.

av84fun

11-19-2007, 01:47 AM

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote av84fun:</font><hr> With no disrespect intended, Karen does not have the sort of personality that gets audiences excited <hr /></blockquote>
Just a note, for your information.
Away from the table, Karen is very friendly and she has a great sense of humor. It is only at the table that Karen, and many other players, are all business.
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I am close friends with several WPBA pros and have met Karen several times. I fully agree with your opinion regarding her off-camera personality and of course, didn't suggest anything to the contrary.