Alex Smith is no great QB by any stretch of the imagination, but I would be shocked if SF took a QB in the first rd (they will be picking in the mid to late 20's) especially since they have a developmental QB already in Kaepernick. Of the Qb's that could possibly be available for the 2013 draft (Barkley, Smith, Thomas, Jones, Wilson, Bray) none of those guys are special.

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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject:

DT58_lives_on wrote:

Other than the fact as Ryk pointed out that teams that are good consistently prepare themselves for the future and the present, you know what I love about watching the Green Bay Packers?

Not only did they take a shot on drafting Rodgers even though they had Brett.

When Rodgers throws the ball you can hear it hit his receivers. A QB with legitimate arm strength imagine what that would be like for us.

Even if our receivers don't catch the ball cleanly, it still keeps going and hits their chest giving them a chance to recover and still catch it instead of hitting our guys fingertips and ricocheting in the opposite direction as if a feather could have stopped the ball's motion._________________

49ers Finest wrote:

People just seem to be mad because the chiefs are all of a sudden doing what their fans thought they were capable of

Just got done watching the game (recorded it). The defensive played pretty solid - Justin Houston is a beast. He didn't necessarily get the splash plays but he is getting better every week in run defense. Eric Berry got abused in the first half trying to cover Antonio Gates. That was pretty embarrassing to watch. I think he is still getting up to speed from the injury and also trying to adjust to being used in a way that is probably different from what he is used to.

What can I say about the offense? Our turnovers killed us. The first Cassel interception was the typical poor throw. And just like last week, his passes were for the most part off, he was just bailed out time and again by our wide receivers. Dwayne Bowe played like a beast. Eric Winston had some trouble in pass protection for sure but then settled down.

I hate to dump on Cassel as this ends up being a weekly occurrence, but he just proves week-in and week-out that he is not a starting NFL quarterback.

And is it just me or did Romeo simply give the game away and we mailed it in after scoring the last touchdown? I don't understand when you are down by two touchdowns with around 5 minutes to go and you just score a botched coverage touchdown you don't look to carry the momentum and go for the onside kick? And to top if off the offense looked like they were completely ho hum - Cassel didn't even seem to be hurrying. Why didn't they just kneel the damn ball down and tuck their tails? I get the idea that our defense had stymied San Diego, but if they get a first down or two it is game over. And at that point the defense just looked either exhausted or were struggling to step up at that last time on those running plays._________________

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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject:

nicfre2011 wrote:

Just got done watching the game (recorded it). The defensive played pretty solid - Justin Houston is a beast. He didn't necessarily get the splash plays but he is getting better every week in run defense. Eric Berry got abused in the first half trying to cover Antonio Gates. That was pretty embarrassing to watch. I think he is still getting up to speed from the injury and also trying to adjust to being used in a way that is probably different from what he is used to.

What can I say about the offense? Our turnovers killed us. The first Cassel interception was the typical poor throw. And just like last week, his passes were for the most part off, he was just bailed out time and again by our wide receivers. Dwayne Bowe played like a beast. Eric Winston had some trouble in pass protection for sure but then settled down.

I hate to dump on Cassel as this ends up being a weekly occurrence, but he just proves week-in and week-out that he is not a starting NFL quarterback.

And is it just me or did Romeo simply give the game away and we mailed it in after scoring the last touchdown? I don't understand when you are down by two touchdowns with around 5 minutes to go and you just score a botched coverage touchdown you don't look to carry the momentum and go for the onside kick? And to top if off the offense looked like they were completely ho hum - Cassel didn't even seem to be hurrying. Why didn't they just kneel the damn ball down and tuck their tails? I get the idea that our defense had stymied San Diego, but if they get a first down or two it is game over. And at that point the defense just looked either exhausted or were struggling to step up at that last time on those running plays.

also, DJ was out. Still haven't heard anything about that. Has anyone else?_________________

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There's only one thing that determines a teams performance on any given sunday
Their opponent-

Just got done watching the game (recorded it). The defensive played pretty solid - Justin Houston is a beast. He didn't necessarily get the splash plays but he is getting better every week in run defense. Eric Berry got abused in the first half trying to cover Antonio Gates. That was pretty embarrassing to watch. I think he is still getting up to speed from the injury and also trying to adjust to being used in a way that is probably different from what he is used to.

What can I say about the offense? Our turnovers killed us. The first Cassel interception was the typical poor throw. And just like last week, his passes were for the most part off, he was just bailed out time and again by our wide receivers. Dwayne Bowe played like a beast. Eric Winston had some trouble in pass protection for sure but then settled down.

I hate to dump on Cassel as this ends up being a weekly occurrence, but he just proves week-in and week-out that he is not a starting NFL quarterback.

And is it just me or did Romeo simply give the game away and we mailed it in after scoring the last touchdown? I don't understand when you are down by two touchdowns with around 5 minutes to go and you just score a botched coverage touchdown you don't look to carry the momentum and go for the onside kick? And to top if off the offense looked like they were completely ho hum - Cassel didn't even seem to be hurrying. Why didn't they just kneel the damn ball down and tuck their tails? I get the idea that our defense had stymied San Diego, but if they get a first down or two it is game over. And at that point the defense just looked either exhausted or were struggling to step up at that last time on those running plays.

also, DJ was out. Still haven't heard anything about that. Has anyone else?

Yeah, I noticed that too. It looked like Greenwood the tackle, I mean linebacker, no tackle, oh wait linebacker was in for him. You are right, I forgot about that at the end of the game. I even remember thinking "WTF, where is DJ?", then I saw Greenwood in there and went "WTF - great, Greenwood to close out the game on running plays!"

A side note, is Jim Zorn still on the team as a quarterback coach? I never see even a passing shot of him in the picture. For all of the times they show Cassel with the deer in the headlights look on the sideline I only see Daboll or Quinn sitting with him or standing around him. I would think Zorn could probably do what Quinn is trying to do by looking over the coverage pictures._________________

Alex Smith is no great QB by any stretch of the imagination, but I would be shocked if SF took a QB in the first rd (they will be picking in the mid to late 20's) especially since they have a developmental QB already in Kaepernick. Of the Qb's that could possibly be available for the 2013 draft (Barkley, Smith, Thomas, Jones, Wilson, Bray) none of those guys are special.

Geno Smith is already putting up numbers better than RGIII did starting out last year, but we'll have to see what he does vs a great defense. And if Barkley would have came out last year, he would have been right there with RGIII._________________Sigbet with El Ramster; OKC wins title = I win. IND wins title = he wins.

In other news, I want to commend Scott Pioli: I think he's built a roster consisting of 50 of the right 53. He just needs a starting QB, a CB to replace Reeves, and a ILB to backup DJ. We had the money to upgrade all three, it's just unfortunate nobody better was available or wanted to play here.

In other news, I want to commend Scott Pioli: I think he's built a roster consisting of 50 of the right 53. He just needs a starting QB, a CB to replace Reeves, and a ILB to backup DJ. We had the money to upgrade all three, it's just unfortunate nobody better was available or wanted to play here.

This might be the one time you think more highly of Pioli than I do.

Pioli still has a long way to go in building a quality team.

I'd at least like to see this same team with a decent QB, because with a somewhat decent one last year, they were a different team, and certainly a playoff caliber team, if nto quite a championship caliber one.

See, without a decent QB, it's so hard to evaluate the rest of the bunch. He doesn't play defense, but the defense can easily not play up to their potential if they feel their efforts are in vain. Not to mention being on a short field over and over again, etc._________________
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:44 am Post subject:

Rumless wrote:

ArrowheadRage58 wrote:

In other news, I want to commend Scott Pioli: I think he's built a roster consisting of 50 of the right 53. He just needs a starting QB, a CB to replace Reeves, and a ILB to backup DJ. We had the money to upgrade all three, it's just unfortunate nobody better was available or wanted to play here.

This might be the one time you think more highly of Pioli than I do.

Pioli still has a long way to go in building a quality team.

Well I didn't mention the coaching...that's the other issue right now.

In other news, I want to commend Scott Pioli: I think he's built a roster consisting of 50 of the right 53. He just needs a starting QB, a CB to replace Reeves, and a ILB to backup DJ. We had the money to upgrade all three, it's just unfortunate nobody better was available or wanted to play here.

This might be the one time you think more highly of Pioli than I do.

Pioli still has a long way to go in building a quality team.

Well I didn't mention the coaching...that's the other issue right now.

1.QB
2.coaching (mainly defense)
3.CB
4.ILB

Yeah, I was really disappointed in Crennel, especially at the end of the game where he failed to take advantage of the momentum we had on Bowe's touchdown catch and kicked the ball to the Chargers down 2 touchdowns with just over 5 minutes to go. By the time our offense took the field it really looked like the team had finally conceded the game. IMO we needed to come out and look to move down the field like we still wanted to score instead of milling around up to the line of scrimmage.

Oh, and why don't we go with more no huddle to try and get the defense back on their heels. Cassel might just do better (better is relative obviously!) in a no huddle offense when he doesn't have to overthink but can make quick decisions._________________

I'm not even sure what to say. I really don't know how process what I watched yesterday. I'll try and list some things of note.. I guess...

Ripoti Pititititititititit was excellent at RDE. 2 sacks! He has some really awesome natural ability and though he needs refinement overall - he's certainly took a step in the right direction for possibly replacing Dorsey in '13

I thought all the LB's and really most of the defense played well. Berry did not and the other 2 safeties made no impact as usual but the front 7 + Arenas (best game as a pro IMO), Flowers, and Routt were all good.

The OL maybe deserves a pass because it's a little bit jumbled but I'm not gonna do it - I just cannot. Winston was brutal yesterday and it's not the first time he's been bad.

Bowe was his typical beast of a player. Resign this offseason?!?!?! PLEASE!??!?!

Awesome stat of the year: The Chiefs through 1 quarter of the season are the only team to not hold the lead in a game yet! NOT ONE SINGLE FREAKING SNAP OF THE FOOTBALL WITH THE LEAD!!

Bowe may be used to it by now - Baldwin looks a little frustrated though - it hasn't caused him any drops but it may soon.

Droughns and Charles despite the fumble issues did a good job. More importantly I expect them to fix their fumbles.

Cassel - seriously. I have no expectation he can fix his troubles the RB can. He's the one player that's been bad every single game. I know Rage thinks he's the biggest hater of him but he wasn't here when I was torching #7 in 2009 and saw glaring problems in 2010 despite team success. 2010 was a tough year for me on this forum because a lot of folks were in a positive mode but I couldn't do it. I couldn't come out of any of those 10 wins thinking things were improving. I believed this team had no future with that cat as starting QB and I loatheed the thought of going to the playoffs for the inevitable one-and-done we were headed towards.

This year I really tried to give him a fresh start though sans Haley. I feel dirty for doing it. He's horrid - his already poor accuracy is even WORSE now due to his throwing mechanics work this off season. Golfers you will recognize this - sometimes you tinker with your swing and it works. Sometimes though you completely ruin your swing and the longer drives you tried for never come - BUT you also ruin the clubs you used to swing well with the tinkering! It's a train wreck right now with Cassel. He's not throwing ANY single pass well. He has NOTHING to rely on when things get down. Captain checkdown cannot even checkdown anymore cause he's so off.

Bah.. I can't even think of more now._________________Throw to score! Run to win!
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:10 am Post subject:

I wrote this in another thread in response to why I'm afraid we won't see another QB, but I wanted to make sure it gets read and see if people agree.

"The "problem" is the defense is starting to come together and this turnover rate can't last forever. Take away those two issues and this team starts winning games despite Cassel...They can even win games if he turns it over once or twice if it's not a pick 6 or on the wrong part of the field. Shoot we turned it over 4 or 5 times against the Saints and still won."

Imagine if we ever have a game with no turnovers Combine that with Berry possibly getting into high gear in week 5 or 6 (he was like the only reason SD could do anything at all on offense). Last year the offense was just plain bad in every way and we still won 7 games even without Charles._________________

49ers Finest wrote:

People just seem to be mad because the chiefs are all of a sudden doing what their fans thought they were capable of

If I was in charge of the game day roster here is the move I'd make first and foremost. Outside of the obvious that Cassel isn't starting.

Eachus - CUT HIS ARSE
Stanzi - Active

You have to give yourself options. I'd slide Hillis to FB, which allows you to have hypothetically your best two runners on the field at the same time. I'd start Maneri, as I have simply lost faith in Moeaki, I don't think he's back all the way. I'd also cut JOC and hire a bum off the streets because that person couldn't be any worse.

Watching the game you couldn’t help but feel like Kansas City fumbled this one away before it really even got started. Their first two drives ended with turnovers and the first quarter wasn’t even nearly done before they were 17 points behind. That score neutralized the Chiefs’ running attack and Matt Cassel made too many mistakes to give them a chance.
That is not to say that the Chargers didn’t deserve this win. San Diego was all over the field on defense in the first half and was quite frankly dominant. An offensive lull in the second and third quarters when the Chargers weren’t able to run the ball effectively allowed the Chiefs a glimmer of hope, but that was quickly stamped out early in the fourth as Ryan Mathews and Jackie Battle ran the ball down their throats to make it 34-13 after a third Chiefs fumble.
San Diego – Three Performances of Note
A Much Needed Win
Last season saw right tackle Jeromey Clary (+3.6) put up only three positive performances all year en route to his worst performance since PFF starting grading. If the past two weeks are any indication, he may be in for a superb comeback year. Clary’s draw on Sunday may have been his hardest all year, as he faced sophomore sensation Justin Houston who was coming off of three straight games of at least three combined hurries, hits, and sacks. For the day, Clary denied Houston of any of those stats in an excellent performance. After being handed the lead early, all the Chargers needed to do was work the clock and run an efficient offense. Clary’s lights-out play allowed them to do that.
Safety Net
Eric Weddle on the back end is about as consistent as they come in this league. Weddle snagged his second interception of the year on the only time he was targeted in the game. It is getting to the point where quarterbacks are taking note of where he is and throwing away from him because of his ball-hawking abilities — Weddle has been targeted only 10 times and given up only 39 yards. Last year he led the league in quarterback rating against at only 25.8, and he is picking up right where he left off with a rating of 37.1 so far in 2012. It’s sad that he doesn’t get the same recognition as guys like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu because he doesn’t make flashy hits or returns, but Weddle belongs in the elite safety category nonetheless.
Biting on the Fake
Antoine Cason plays right cornerback in a Chargers’ defense that keeps each corner on their respective side of the field no matter where the wide receivers line up. On Sunday Dwayne Bowe only lined up on Cason’s side 34 times, but they were certainly enough to make Cason wish he could have followed around Jonathan Baldwin or Dexter McCluster. Bowe beat Cason five times for 90 yards and a touchdown. The trouncing culminated when Cason bit hard on a shoulder fake and let Bowe get behind him for a 29-yard touchdown. Given that Cassel had missed Bowe deep on an early double move it won’t be long before more teams try the same trick on the former first-round pick. It was just a game to forget for a player who has had success against the Chiefs in the past (positive grades three out of past four games).
Kansas City – Three Performances of Note
A Slow Recovery
In this day and age ACL injuries don’t have the serious career implications that they once did. A torn ACL is devastating, but fans expect the player at full strength the next season. Unfortunately for Chiefs fans, Eric Berry doesn’t seem to be back at full strength just yet. Berry was exposed all day by tight end Antonio Gates. The Chiefs’ star safety was more than a few steps behind most plays and was out of place in man coverage. When all was said and done he gave up 97 yards (59 to Gates) on seven of seven passing and committed two pass interference penalties. This was a performance reminiscent of a rookie year where he was put in positions he was always going to struggle with, and while learning on the job will make him better in the long term, it hurt the team in this one.
The Whole Backfield
Coming into the game all the talk was about Ryan Mathews’ fumbling problem. Who knew it would be the Chiefs’ backs that would cough up the ball three times? The good news is that Jamaal Charles and Shaun Draughn don’t have a history of fumbling problems (never more than two in a season). The bad news is that the attention to detail just wasn’t there. Charles, Draughn and Cyrus Gray combined for a -3.9 pass blocking grade on a measly nine attempts in as pathetic an exhibition of blitz pickup as you’re likely to ever see. The three whiffed multiple times on the Chargers’ athletic linebackers and had little semblance of proper form. Other teams will take advantage of this in the future if the Chiefs’ backs aren’t able to correct it.
Brilliant Bowe
While all around him were losing their heads, step forward Dwayne Bowe (+3.0) with the kind of performance you expect from an elite receiver. The only way the Chargers could stop him required the use of the referees flags as he drew two defensive pass interference and another illegal contact call. Yet that only limited his impact, and not by much. He regularly got separation and twice put double moves on Antoine Cason, one of which resulted in a touchdown and another that should have (but for an overthrow) resulted in a big gain. With an erratic quarterback and few others stepping up in the passing game, Bowe’s 7 of 12 balls caught for 108 yards didn’t do him justice.
Game Notes
- Who needs to blitz? Cassel threw three picks and completed 53.1% of his passes without the Chargers sending the heat.
- The Chargers didn’t even try and go deep, throwing 16 of 22 passes within 10 yards and only one pass over 20.
- Antonio Gates picked up 2.46 yards for every route he ran.
Game Ball
This ball goes to right tackle Jeromey Clary for putting up an all-around solid game when they needed it most. There was a lot of buzz regarding Justin Houston coming into this game, and a lot less leaving it because of Clary’s performance.