I'll take a chance the tool has learned something from his disastrous NFL run as opposed to taking a chance that Stoops collegiate approach applies. Not to mention OU has been irrelevant for a few years up til last night.

Any candidates that anyone likes, or is this just where we bitch about how awful they all are? : )

I have no idea if he's interested in leaving Stanford, but I'd be interested in David Shaw. Depending on what he has and hasn't learned from his mistakes in Denver, I'd be interested in McDaniels. If he could be bought, I'd be interested in a 5ish year run with Saban. For some reason it seems like Greg Roman was a more popular name last year than this one, but he'd interest me, too. I think Hue Jackson got a raw deal in Oakland, so I'd like to see us give him a look. I'd take Urban Meyer over all of them if it wasn't for his splodey-heart. Gus Malzahn seems a little crazy after two years of NCAA HC experience, but maybe?

HoodooMan wrote:Any candidates that anyone likes, or is this just where we bitch about how awful they all are? : )

I have no idea if he's interested in leaving Stanford, but I'd be interested in David Shaw. Depending on what he has and hasn't learned from his mistakes in Denver, I'd be interested in McDaniels. If he could be bought, I'd be interested in a 5ish year run with Saban. For some reason it seems like Greg Roman was a more popular name last year than this one, but he'd interest me, too. I think Hue Jackson got a raw deal in Oakland, so I'd like to see us give him a look. I'd take Urban Meyer over all of them if it wasn't for his splodey-heart. Gus Malzahn seems a little crazy after two years of NCAA HC experience, but maybe?

I honestly don't care who they hire. What I want is a process that entails talking to as many of these candidates as possible. Last year they didn't talk to Roman or McCoy. Why? Last year they didn't talk to Lovie Smith. Why? Interview every GD guy you think might be a viable option and then take the guy you like the best. Had they done that last year and taken Chud I'd have been far better with it than not talking to any viable candidate.

And if we're talking McDaniel specifically, I do believe people learn. I don't know if McDaniel has, which is why you need to talk to him, but the fact a guy made mistakes previously and maybe had to grow up the hard way is fine with me if you talk to him and everyone else and decide he has indeed grown up some.

Shit, I learned my lesson on this when Holmgren hired Shurmur w/o a large pool of candidates.

HoodooMan wrote:Any candidates that anyone likes, or is this just where we bitch about how awful they all are? : )

I have no idea if he's interested in leaving Stanford, but I'd be interested in David Shaw. Depending on what he has and hasn't learned from his mistakes in Denver, I'd be interested in McDaniels. If he could be bought, I'd be interested in a 5ish year run with Saban. For some reason it seems like Greg Roman was a more popular name last year than this one, but he'd interest me, too. I think Hue Jackson got a raw deal in Oakland, so I'd like to see us give him a look. I'd take Urban Meyer over all of them if it wasn't for his splodey-heart. Gus Malzahn seems a little crazy after two years of NCAA HC experience, but maybe?

You nailed 2 of mine, Shaw and Malzahn. Somewhat interested in Jay Gruden (NOT Jon), Zimmer too. NOT interested in any coordinators doing well in positions they've been in for one year and which were in great shape when they took them over (read: OC in Denver, DC in Seattle).

If the choice is literally between Bob Stoops and Josh McDaniels ONLY, than it's not acontest really.

Josh McDaniels would be an disaster, and would probably lead to those 5 all pros I just saw flashing on my tv screen playing for other teams within two years.

Stoops, at least doesn't have that negative of a stigma attached to himself. Unproven? You bet, and I don't think he has quite what it takes to win in the NFL. But at least I don't see flashes in my head of Josh Gordon getting traded because of him.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:If the choice is literally between Bob Stoops and Josh McDaniels ONLY, than it's not acontest really.

Josh McDaniels would be an disaster, and would probably lead to those 5 all pros I just saw flashing on my tv screen playing for other teams within two years.

Stoops, at least doesn't have that negative of a stigma attached to himself. Unproven? You bet, and I don't think he has quite what it takes to win in the NFL. But at least I don't see flashes in my head of Josh Gordon getting traded because of him.

Triple-S doesn't want Josh McD? I'm sold.

I'd put Shaw at the top of the list but I haven't heard his name mentioned for any openings, let alone the Browns.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:If the choice is literally between Bob Stoops and Josh McDaniels ONLY, than it's not acontest really.

Josh McDaniels would be an disaster, and would probably lead to those 5 all pros I just saw flashing on my tv screen playing for other teams within two years.

Stoops, at least doesn't have that negative of a stigma attached to himself. Unproven? You bet, and I don't think he has quite what it takes to win in the NFL. But at least I don't see flashes in my head of Josh Gordon getting traded because of him.

Triple-S wrote:If the choice is literally between Bob Stoops and Josh McDaniels ONLY, than it's not acontest really.

Josh McDaniels would be an disaster, and would probably lead to those 5 all pros I just saw flashing on my tv screen playing for other teams within two years.

Stoops, at least doesn't have that negative of a stigma attached to himself. Unproven? You bet, and I don't think he has quite what it takes to win in the NFL. But at least I don't see flashes in my head of Josh Gordon getting traded because of him.

peeker643 wrote:I honestly don't care who they hire. What I want is a process that entails talking to as many of these candidates as possible.

This still doesn't matter to me. If they know what they want in a HC and they believe they've found it, I don't care if the search is a mere Rooney-Rule-meetin', fan-satisfyin' charade.

I mean, the Colts didn't have to interview Weeden before they knew they wanted Luck, did they?

(Unfortunately, I suspect the Stooges don't know what they want, so a throw-a-whole-heapin-load-of-shit-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks style search is probably appropriate for them.)

It wouldn't matter as much to me if they hadn't not done it the first time and ended up firing the guy with the credentials 'they wanted'. And if Holmgren hadn't identified the guy he wanted and that went up in flames.

Now it matters to me. And maybe it shouldn't. Because it sure seems to me it ain't necessarily the coaches as much as it the guys hiring them and making the determination of what they want.

There are two ways to look at this; hire a good coach and watch him struggle with the 3-Stooges as his FO, or hire MikkyD and watch the whole shithouse go up in flames and get a full re-boot in 3 years.

I'll take option B. At this point I've gotten used to rooting against the team.

At least he's been HMFIC of something legit, for a substantial amount of time, and had success doing so.

Good point. All of his experience is at the college level but spending so much time running the ship has to count for something. I thnk I'd prefer him too, if only because it'd be more interesting before the inevitable bed-shitting.

HoodooMan wrote:Any candidates that anyone likes, or is this just where we bitch about how awful they all are? : )

I have no idea if he's interested in leaving Stanford, but I'd be interested in David Shaw. Depending on what he has and hasn't learned from his mistakes in Denver, I'd be interested in McDaniels. If he could be bought, I'd be interested in a 5ish year run with Saban. For some reason it seems like Greg Roman was a more popular name last year than this one, but he'd interest me, too. I think Hue Jackson got a raw deal in Oakland, so I'd like to see us give him a look. I'd take Urban Meyer over all of them if it wasn't for his splodey-heart. Gus Malzahn seems a little crazy after two years of NCAA HC experience, but maybe?

You nailed 2 of mine, Shaw and Malzahn. Somewhat interested in Jay Gruden (NOT Jon), Zimmer too. NOT interested in any coordinators doing well in positions they've been in for one year and which were in great shape when they took them over (read: OC in Denver, DC in Seattle).

FWIW (not much) Randy Hart (former Buckeye) is DL coach at Stanford and friend of family. His sister flew out for a game in November and told me that Shaw struck her as one of the most intelligent people she'd ever spoken to in her life.

So at least one person confirms he's not a Shurmer, I mean not a moron.

Grossi reporting that McDaniels does not want the job. Paraphrasing a scene from Leathal Weapon 1

Haslam: Hey, look friend, let's just cut the shit. Now we both know why you were brought in here. This was what the league office wanted and the only way I could get a franchise.

Banner: Everybody thinks I'm a power hungry asshole, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here; or they think Lombardi is an evil backstabbing psycopath, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here. Basically, I'm fucked.

Haslam: Guess what?

Banner: What?

Haslam: I don't want to work with you!

Banner: Hey, don't.

Haslam: Ain't got no choice! Looks like we both been fucked!

Banner: Terrific.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

mattvan1 wrote:Grossi reporting that McDaniels does not want the job. Paraphrasing a scene from Leathal Weapon 1

Haslam: Hey, look friend, let's just cut the shit. Now we both know why you were brought in here. This was what the league office wanted and the only way I could get a franchise.

Banner: Everybody thinks I'm a power hungry asshole, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here; or they think Lombardi is an evil backstabbing psycopath, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here. Basically, I'm fucked.

mattvan1 wrote:Grossi reporting that McDaniels does not want the job. Paraphrasing a scene from Leathal Weapon 1

Haslam: Hey, look friend, let's just cut the shit. Now we both know why you were brought in here. This was what the league office wanted and the only way I could get a franchise.

Banner: Everybody thinks I'm a power hungry asshole, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here; or they think Lombardi is an evil backstabbing psycopath, in which case, I'm fucked and nobody wants to coach here. Basically, I'm fucked.

Haslam: Guess what?

Banner: What?

Haslam: I don't want to work with you!

Banner: Hey, don't.

Haslam: Ain't got no choice! Looks like we both been fucked!

Banner: Terrific.

That's giving Haslam a lot of credit. It ain't like the NFL is gonna take their ball back if Haslam 86's Banner and his Wormtongue. :)

How do they even have a top choice? They've talked to, what, 2 people so far? How do they go into a meeting with. McDaniels and tell him "hey dude, we think you're great, or at least pretty decent, and if it doesn't work out with this other guy we like a whole lot more we are very, or at least somewhat interested."?

This might be the only head coaching job in the NFL where the top candidates have leverage over the team doing the hiring. This is the predicament that the Browns have worked themselves into, thanks to their heavy-handed handling of Pat Shurmur and, more significantly, Chud.

Right now, it appears that the FO is flopping around like a catfish stuck in the sand at Edgewater. In January. The nation watches and laughs.

If I were offered the job, I'd demand a nice salary with a five-year, no-excuses, guarantee and anything else I deemed necessary for eventual success--like total control over the coaching staff and at least a say in the draft. Anything less and it's "adios, Bumblefuck 1 and Bumblefuck 2."