2008.10.25 13:00 - Hearts and hedgehogs

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Wol Euler was Guardian, filling in for Storm. I appeared as a swirling cloud of tiny red and orange hearts, which were referred to several times and gave us our topic and title. Photos will be posted as soon as I can figure out to get them out of my Inventory into RL.

Adams arrives at high speed, shooting right through the Pavilion and out the other side.

Wol Euler: adams whooshes through.Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_Adams Rubble: Greetings everyone :)Adams Rubble: Wol?Wol Euler: hello againWol Euler: yep, I'm here.Adams Rubble wonderes whether they are hearts or Wol has had autumn drop on herWol Euler: both :-)Wol Euler: hearts but seasonally colouredFaenik: could beAdams Rubble: :)Wol Euler puts on a deep, gruff voice and Scottish accent.Wol Euler: I'm filling in for Storm, who is on a retreat this weekend. Does anyone have anything PaB-ish that they would like to discuss?Adams Rubble: Ah, that is right, I forgot. That is nice of you and you too Gaya for all those 1 o'clocksAdams Rubble: My RL self is cowering in a corner and I am just an avatar :)Wol Euler: :)Wol Euler: naah, he's a pussycat really.Gaya Ethaniel smilesGaya Ethaniel smiles. np about 1am slots*Wol Euler: and for me no problem with the 1 pms, mid evening.Adams Rubble: Doug, you are very quiet todayAdams Rubble never sure whether I can get here on SaturdaysAdams Rubble: It's raining here today :)Adams Rubble: in RL that isAdams Rubble: nice and sunny here in SLWol Euler: as always. How dull.Adams Rubble thinks it is lovelyWol Euler looks expectantly at Gaya.Wol Euler: ah, well :)Adams Rubble: Your hearts would be blown away WolGaya Ethaniel smiles... a truly lovely AVWol Euler: ah, but that is good, it would spread me all over the world!Adams Rubble: ahWol Euler: it's called "Love is all around" by Yeti Bling.Adams Rubble: One little piece of Wol in every simWol Euler: mmmmm :)Gaya Ethaniel smiles. tyFaenik loves wells!Wol Euler: ah, I haven't seen that outfit in a while, Gaya.Gaya Ethaniel smiles. happy memories with this one. ty Wol...Adams Rubble: brbWol Euler: kkGaya Ethaniel: sureGaya Ethaniel smiles. npAdams Rubble: backAdams Rubble: Gaya you've changedGaya Ethaniel: wb. yesWol Euler: nd againGaya Ethaniel: no more I promiseWol Euler: nono, as you please.Gaya Ethaniel smiles

Finally we settle down to business.

Gaya Ethaniel: so... what's the topic?Gaya Ethaniel: heart?Wol Euler: so far nobody has offered one.Wol Euler: sure, why not.Wol Euler: lead off :)Gaya Ethaniel: heart may know better than head... what's your thoughts on this?Faenik: why not?Wol Euler: they know different things, perhaps, like the fox and the hedgehogWol Euler: "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."Adams Rubble asks what is thatWol Euler: http://www.kheper.net/topics/typolog..._Hedgehog.htmlAdams Rubble: oh noGaya Ethaniel readsWol Euler: sorry :)Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.Gaya Ethaniel listens... head needs time to process that information?Wol Euler: mmhmmGaya Ethaniel: what is intuition/heart? where does it come from?Gaya Ethaniel: (obviously not from head right?)Wol Euler: wb adamsFaenik: ah :)Wol Euler: good question, where _does_ intuition come from?Gaya Ethaniel: wbAdams Rubble: Sorry my computer is not happyWol Euler: sorry to hear it :-)Wol Euler gives Adams' computer a cookie.Adams Rubble didn;t find out what hedgehog knowsWol Euler: oh, hehehehWol Euler: the hedgehog-type person has a single big idea, and sees the whole world through it.Adams Rubble: Is that the head or heart?Wol Euler: Moses for instance, or McCarthy and his Communist-under-every-bed maniaAdams Rubble: Moses and McCarthy in same sentence (Adams faints)Wol Euler: heheheheheWol Euler: it won't happen again.Adams Rubble wondering whether hedgehog is heart or headWol Euler: yeh me too :)Wol Euler: it was a spur-of-the-moment suggestion.Adams Rubble: hehe Wol

Doug vanishes.

Adams Rubble: Doug did more than faintWol Euler: well, it is 1:29Adams Rubble: ah, it is 4:29 hereWol Euler: but having made the suggestion: I think that hte heart is the hedgehog.Adams Rubble: hmmmmWol Euler: its big idea is love, and that is all it wants to know about.Wol Euler: intuition comes from the heart. When your intuition says "no" to somebody or something, it is saying "there's something there that I cannot love"Wol Euler: but it cant tell you what that is.Wol Euler: that is the head's job.Wol Euler: the head is the fox, endlessly fascinated by many small thingsAdams Rubble isn't good with this head/heart stuffGaya Ethaniel: cannot love. why not?Wol Euler: because you recognize that they are ... whatever: mass-murderers, sociopaths, violently inclined.Adams Rubble: oh myWol Euler: taking "love" in a very broad way.Gaya Ethaniel pondersWol Euler: or simply "not nice" :)Gaya Ethaniel nodsWol Euler: Look, this isn't gospel :) I am thinkng on my feet, trying to see if the suggestion makes any sense.Gaya Ethaniel smiles. I know... sorry to put you on the spot

Adams checks out.

Adams Rubble: Folks, I keep doing this but RL is calling me againGaya Ethaniel: _/!\_Wol Euler smiles and sighs. take care, adamsWol Euler: see you anonAdams Rubble not all that good on planning this weekendFaenik loves wells!Wol Euler: it happens.Gaya Ethaniel: it's tricky when head attempts to understand heart hey WolAdams Rubble: yes anonWol Euler: bye for nowAdams Rubble: the heart can follow the headWol Euler: Gaya, the rverse is also true. Head says "good god, how can you love that person?", heart answers "no idea, but I do"Adams Rubble: bye :)Gaya Ethaniel gigglesWol Euler: bye, adamsGaya Ethaniel: person or thing... could be anything rightWol Euler: mmhmmGaya Ethaniel: trouble comes when one rejects the other (heart/head)... disagree I meanWol Euler: disharmony :)Gaya Ethaniel: what do you normally use to settle?Wol Euler: well, "normal" is shifting. My head ruled absolutely for many years, I am learning to listen to my heart. Switching over is a slow process.Gaya Ethaniel: ah...Wol Euler: and you?Gaya Ethaniel: a mixture... but follow heart a bit more perhapsWol Euler nodsGaya Ethaniel: often problematic following heart if head doesn't understand why. making connection between heart/head rather difficult for meFaenik: indeed?Wol Euler: why is that?Gaya Ethaniel: refuse to listen I guessGaya Ethaniel: attempt to think first maybe?Wol Euler: could be :)Gaya Ethaniel: so pins dropped when you said [13:23] Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.Wol Euler: ah :)Wol Euler: well, that is probably universally true. ther are many names for it: gut feeling, instinct

"Ich kann ihn nicht riechen."

Wol Euler: the Germans "I can't stand the smell of him" about somebody that htey are uncomfortable with for reasons they can't really explain.Wol Euler: which is intuition again. the heart knows something is wrong there, before the head finds a reasonGaya Ethaniel: so back to the question... where does intuition come from? also... how does head find reasons?Wol Euler: I'm not sure, what do you think?Gaya Ethaniel is thinking furiouslyWol Euler fans your brow.Gaya Ethaniel smilesGaya Ethaniel: intuition... it doesn't seem to be simply biological...Gaya Ethaniel: reasons... tend to find them better when I let things to pan out naturallyFaenik loves wells!Wol Euler: mmhmmGaya Ethaniel: similar in a way... the process of how head works... just takes longer than heartWol Euler: the heart judges on "evidence" that the head cannot see, perhaps.Gaya Ethaniel: Threedee talked about gut feelings a few times beforeWol Euler: it may be in a way biological, in that it relies on clues that cannot be consciously perceived, like micro-expressions or indeed smell.Gaya Ethaniel: perhaps people who rely on heart more are similar to the hedgehog typeGaya Ethaniel: yes he talked in 'body' terms re: gut feelingsWol Euler: they would probably make faster and sharper distinctions than those who use the head.Gaya Ethaniel: but in public matters, making decisions based on gut feelings are not appreciated so much as the background of the decisions has to be communicated/understood by othersGaya Ethaniel: (well even in private matters)Wol Euler nodsGaya Ethaniel: what made you to start switching from head to heart?Wol Euler: realizing that I wasn't getting very far, or rather that it couldn't take me where I wanted to goWol Euler: and also perhaps trusting myself to listen to my heartGaya Ethaniel: interesting... always though head would take me furtherWol Euler: well, that depends on where you are and where you would rather be :-)Gaya Ethaniel smilesFaenik: could beGaya Ethaniel: shame we can't watch ourselves living in multiverse, walking on different pathsWol Euler: mmhmmWol Euler: life needs a "reload saved version" button :)Gaya Ethaniel gigglesGaya Ethaniel: ah well that's life I guessWol Euler: yepGaya Ethaniel: another meeting to go. nice to see you again Wol. enjoyed the discussionGaya Ethaniel: _/!\_Wol Euler: bye gaya, nice to see youWol Euler: enjoy the eveningGaya Ethaniel smiles. you too ty