Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Who's telling the truth?

update 26/6/08 1.30 amKJ or RPK? Khairy Jamaluddin has told police that he never received or kept any military intel report from his father-in-law the Prime Minister as alleged by RPK, the Malaysia Today editor, in his June 18 Statutory Declaration.KJ said he may sue. Read here.

Original postingBadawi or RPK's mystery, "reliable" source? The PM has denied (here, NST Online) accusations made by Raja Petra Kamarudin in his Statutory Declaration. In the SD, RPK said he had been "reliably informed" that the Deputy PM's wife, together with several other people who are not among those charged for the murder of Altantuya, was present when the Mongolian was blown up with C4 explosives somewhere in Shah Alam.

Abdullah Badawi said there was no such military intelligence report as mentioned in the SD. RPK swore in his Statutory Declaration that a file had been handed over to the PM. RPK also said the PM had then given the file to his son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin for safekeeping.

KJ's silence is odd, someone from the foreign wire told me. "He's not known to shut up if you accuse him directly of something."

PAK lah versus RPK....what did the main man Ba da the Pee, say... its incorrect....tak betul, salah and fitnah have separate meaning...and then he goes to say ... I dont remember....hmm after all the support Najeep gave him....Ba the Pee is still wishy washy in his anwser....where Najeep wana put his face after this. Dato Pee....wee can you hold another PC and categorily deny Najeep's involvement 100 per cent.....Can la PEE...by the way all you guys out there Mr Pee, Mr Jeep and Mr RPK....pls remember the world is your oyester.....so pls eat some fish, and learn how they wiggle...hehehehe.

It is wise for KJ to keep his mouth shut on this issue. The more he talks about it, the more he will be dragged into the murder. Besides, his father-in-law has already answered the allegations. He need not have to repeat it.

Dear Bro,Honestly I don't understand why a statutory declaration can be made in the first place on a " reliable source " basis.

A statutory declaration should be based upon exact and accurate evidence and not merely hearsay. Can I make a SD saying that from a reliable source that I know that each Malaysian will get RM 500 every month and that what if Malaysians do not get the RM 500.

In SD's there should not be "reliable source" elements. Names and Identity numbers must be mentioned or not it is not a statuory declaration. It is just a rumour.

In golf there is a follow through. If not you will either slice or hook. I do not know whether RPK is a slicer or a hooker?

we shall let the investigations be carried out without having an internet court sentencing one party or another. The integrity of us, the nation as a whole, and the people in particular, will be compromised if we indulge in such games that we say the power-that-be is guilty of. I believe all parties know the stake if they're willing to play the game.

How are we to believe someone who also said "No, not tomorrow" when asked about dissolution of the Parliament. Then it happens the next day. Same thing for the petrol price increment announcement. This cabinet is simply unbelievable, literally!I am inclined to think RPK is more credible!!

Khairy usually shuts up when he IS guilty...as in the case of Amirsham and the prepared text, he wasn't guilty..that much I know, coz Amirsham is used to having everything laid out and prepared by his own aides from the time he was a CEO, that's why he spoke out...it is so obvious...KJ is the type who lies low when the missiles are flying overhead..and the doomsday buttons were pushed by him...

Dont u think that RPK is quite "brave" enough to expose to the media press in his "reliable information" which he linked deputy PM's wife, together with several other people who are not among those charged with the altantuya case murder..and AAB is being innocently blamed for handing over a report about the murder by the military intelligence..i think RPK must be well protected by "someone" who desperately wants AAB to step down..after the incident previous issue of vote no-confidence against AAB..RPK is providing his "reliable information" at the right moment..pity for AAB..

Yes the silence is indeed deafening.I'm sure a person like RPK will not put himself in such a compromising position without proof. Badawi is a liar so it's obvious whom we believe. One thing we can be certain, Najib and his wife are shitting in their pants.

PM has no right sending the message to public that saying Najis and wife were not involved. Pls Bodowi do not interfere the polis investigation.How much can we trust you we know deeply in the heart, also how much can we trust the malaysia judiciary also know very deep in the heart.... you have always lied to rakyat !! malaysian judicial also lied always. Malaysia is really screwed under Umno.

"The Government will soon launch a massive operation to flush out illegal immigrants in Sabah, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said today. The operation would cover all identified foreign nationals who have no valid personal identification documents either from their homeland or from the Malaysian government."

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They still don't get it: why have they conveniently sidestepped and avoided the equally serious issue of many, many immigrant Filipino/Indonesians who have been allegedly awarded citizenship under Project M?

No one is telling the truth until the someone able to come up with the relevant documents as evidence. Then whoever is not telling the truth will feel the heat. But somehow I have a feeling this person who is not telling the truth is immune to such heat.

The aggrieved party hoping for closureLet the truth be told for the peopleThe ringing bell toll for the disadvantagedFor the light will surely shine in the darkness

The gallant knight and the black castleOn the threshold he knows his truthDare to fight for rights of the disadvantagedFor he knows Kah Moon Thing waits

This is the chess gameHe doesn’t want to loseAt this highest stage of the movesThe gallant knight throws his spearInto the dark shadowA lonely crying then silence fallsHe waits for the dawn……….cleansing him free

Please check whether the act of hiding evidence of crime constitutes to be party of crime itself? In this case, it was obvious in the SD that Pak Lah and his SIL have known and copies of the said military intelligence report.

One must not make a SD based on someone else's statement. If police find that the accusation is not true, RPK can just escape by saying that he swear that he heard it from his informer, NOT swear that he saw the thing happened! If the informer lied, he/she was not implicated because he/she was not make any SD...!

Let the truth be out, then the people will know who's telling the truth. This is a very serious matter with a lot of things at stake, including the well-being of this country.The onus is on the police to do a thorough investigation on the SD with absolute transparancy and accountability.

I believed the police has started their investigation and apparently has called or will call Rosmah and the other two Colonels to take their statements, Abdullah therefore should wait for the police to call on him to make his statement. So far I think KJ has done the sensible thing and that he is referring to his lawyers before making his statement. This is a murder case ma and you do not want to be caught bersubahat or withholding information, can cost you dearly big time.

By the way even though we all now fully appreciate that Abdullah can tell a lie with a straight face, we must also not assume that what Raja Petra say about this case in the god given truth.

The Prime Minister said: “No, I can’t remember receiving anything. He can say anything but I have not seen it.”

This is the same line of answer given by Dr. MM during the RCI on Lingam tape. By saying he can’t remember does not mean he did not receive the Military Intelligence. He has not seen it doesn’t mean it does not exist.

This is what happen when you bluff your way as Imam of Islam Hadhari. Trying to reinvent Islam. Makan diri sendiri. Since his first lie (which I remember) in the Oil For Food kickback, he can never, and ever, will tell the truth ... Wali Kota

Sorry off-topic Bro, but since you are pro-songkok and maybe anti-DAP, I thought I should highlight this news item in today's The Star N33, so that you can post another entry to bash the party.

Maybe it would even highlight how it is done in the progressive state of Perak under Sultan Azlan Shah and contrast it to the recent incident at the Johor State Assembly when one SA was kicked out and the Johor Sultan was enraged and "not happy" with the chap and had challenged him to come forward to see him. The Johor MB then required the songkok and tudung to be worn at all times at official functions especially at the Palace.

The Star N33 picture showed Sultan Azlan (in his royal headgear) chatting with the DAP Assemblyman for Malim Nawar Keshwinder Singh who wore a turban. It was OK. Sultan Azlan does not seem to mind nor was he enraged. And if you look more closely in the background, there were at least two other female Assemblymen in uniform without any headgear even, no tudung or any other head covering. They appeared properly attired in the Sultan's presence but hey, no problems.

It would appear that there are problems in some states and no problems in others. Is it because in some states the people FEAR their rulers while in others they do not? Or to put it another way, maybe some Sultans are not so demanding or fussy so long as the subjects are properly and smartly dressed and are at their best behaviour?

If RPK's proven wrong, aah.. he can always produce another SD stating he was wrongly informed by the reliable informer.... sorry all..blah.blah... made a public apology after the mud is thrown. Some damage still done.

Now, if his apology is accepted, and forgotten, without being charged in court or sued, hmm....it will still be out there , there could be something...

Well, Bodowi's always fond of thinking himself smartass by playing with words....so if he denies receiving a report from a particular source, it'll prob mean that he got some other form of report from some other named source......

And the SIl's prob trying to come up with the same sort of denial...playing around with words and terms.

When news of the “explosive” SD came out, I had a quick check with my friends and family members who are sensitive about the current political scenario but are not bloggers. Their general perception was while the news of the SD was considered explosive, they doubt the truth since RPK has not been honest in several past instances. Might as well Rosmah had brought her entire entourage to witness the murder! RPK is politically motivated as he is assumed to front for the desperate DSAI. RPK’s popularity is confined to the sphere of bloggers especially his popular Malaysian Today blog and politically inclined opportunists.

On my part, the SD is just another timely ploy to blacken Najib’s prospects to take over from PM in conjunction with other efforts to create political instability. The penalty from such an SD is nothing compared to the exposure it has received; very well anticipated and articulated to damage one’s reputation under the hypocrisy of national interest. The SD is from a well known person who was not present at the scene but merely relying on deemed reliable information from an informer. Funny that the news did not originate from Malaysia today; perhaps RPK had carefully taken the precaution for the news of the SD to appear first on other blogs/ websites and not his, otherwise Malaysia Today might be forced to close down when the truth of the matter is revealed following police investigation.

In respect of KJ, he is nothing but a young punk without any credibility to be a politician; he speaks like a big jar while his brain is nothing more than an elephant. What to do when KJ only compares himself with his father-in -aw?

My conclusion: RPK has endangered his good name and that of bloggers by his selfish motivations.

I think a lot of Malaysians are still confused as to what a Statutory Declaration is.

Secondly, they don't understand that the SD RPK signed merely confirm "HIS BELIEF" in the truth TOLD TO HIM by another person. RPK was not there, didn't see it himself, didn't here it himself, didn't participate nor directly or indirectly got any 1st hand information.

Thirdly, the mysterious informer was not named in the SD.

Although we believe that Malaysians are being misled by this whole SD thing, we also believe that their willingness to blindly believe RPK is due to their rejection and hatred of current practices by the government in terms of truth and accountability.

Nevertheless, RPK should be responsible (BE A MAN) and state clearly the name of the source, because as of now, we believe it's just another publicity stunt by the "Che Guevara wannabe".

There are points to note. The prosecution case has been closed but there was little mention of the C4. The cop woman testified that all the guns and bullets were returned to the armoury. But no real questions were asked about the C4. Like if the Army is missing any stocks? The green Suzuki Vitara remains a big mystery. Now people are saying that the car belonged to an adc too (the lower case is on purpose).RPK has really upped the ante here. He says a Sultan is in the know. I see it like this, PM took five days to deny things. Why so long? Well you may need time to think things carefully. Then Rosmah & Najib followed on the sixth day. Aziz Buyong and wife could do the same - maybe on the seventh day. So case closed? Now if the cops investigate and say 'no case' what happens to RPK? Malu besar. Credibility gone totally. What will RPK do? What if RPK makes another SD giving the Sultan's name? Do we get to hear from the Sultan? This is really going to be embarrasing.

Who's telling the truth RPK or AAB?Honestly, we can't tell....Who do you believe?I have to believe RPK because he has not lied to me before whereas AAB was a natural bullshitter. the latest was a 78sen earthquake that make a big hole in my pocket. Sorry, Can't trust that guy.What about RPK or Nutjeep?Can't trust that guy either, people say he pocketed millions from the arms deal. I don't believe that. There are many things I don't believe.

I don't believe the figure is that small. I don't believe that they can erase the immigration records. I don't believe they need to use Special Task force. I don't believe they need to involved military. I don't believe they need to use C4. I don't believe.... I don't believe a layman can do any one of the above. And to do all of the above I don't believe it must be someone influential, someone with the power..someone who thinks he can get away with this crime. But I still don't believe. Because it is very stupid thing to do. How stupid? Very stupid or Unless he thinks he is influential enough to ..... I don't believe..

Pak Lah has no right to say that Najib & Wife is not involved, how did he know? No investigation has been carried out and he blatantly say they are not involved. RPK has the gut to make SD then he can partly be trusted, though based on "reliable sources" for now. Pak Lah talk without thinking and maybe partly asleep. Tomorrow he will remember and it's too late.Pak Lah

"Kahwin? Mengarutlah...""I've never given gov projects to my son!""What yacht?""I, err.. I meant we, the Gov never own Private Jets, we Leased them at an exorbitant cost!""I will crack down on corruption!""ZZZ... eh, Saya Tak Tidur...zzzz"

We are so accustomed to his flip-flops, u-turns and downright lies (re: ketuk-ketampi). And so another one of his now won't make any difference to my perception. Like the leaks at the parliament building, we all already know the on-going Altantunya trials are full of holes in its plot. Do I still have to give you an answer on who is more credible?

Actually AAB was telling the truth when he said he never received such report. How could he have known about it when he never reads any report sent to him. He is well known to know no shit. So he routinely handed all reports to KJ, as was claimed by RPK, and now KJ is at a lost for words. Tidur la Pak Lah, Tidur lagi.

damn man,i have just been 'reliably informed' that the whole SD is a distraction created by level 4 to avoid the issue of lompat parti.

No wonder the issue coincide with SAPP vote of no confidence.

I was also 'reliably informed' that RPK is in cahoot with Level 4 to make sure that Najib is not elected for presidential post during UMNO Election. I scratch your back, you scratch mine, apparently. Patutlah Khairy has been so quiet about the whole thing.

It is hard to belief that after the statutory declaration by RPK for almost a couple of days,then Pak Lah came to defend Najib with regard to the Altantuya's case.After that Najib came out with the statement that it was bullshit and fabricated.It seems that there must be a compromise between the two person.You scatch my back and I do it vice-versa.The way things going on after the statements by the 2 leaders,I bet RPK would be implicated and going to face the music of law soon.He is doom and sentenced already before the trail.

if Najib can be held by his balls and led by AAB and KJ, there must be some truth behind the SD. Haven't we earlier concurred that Najib does not face up to AAB not because he is a coward, but because he owes AAB. Probably for covering up for him.

Wud RPK jeopardize his reputation?? heheh.. wat can I say..(",).. bro, in d year 2006 thr were rumors bout a woman who lost her 5mill commission to anothr woman who simply asked for d commission to b paid to her and it woz obliged, heheh...rumors have it it woz for a deal in France??.. wat can I say..(,")

SAY NO TO NWO!!

People with virtue must speak out; People who speak are not all virtuous.~ Confucius

There are three truths: my truth, your truth, and the truth.~ Chinese proverb

He might be telling some truth, some hearsay, just to stir the issue. Non of the accused dares to dispute him point by point. Reason, very simple. The more you dispute, the more truth you will discover.

If you tell all truth to the public, it's like giving all the bullets and ammunitions away, next day they know your weapon and bring a cannon to blow you off. Simple as tat.

Why RPK wait till the last moment when the court proceeding coming to an end then throw them a bomb? Well, the bomb will get difused and covered up under tons of rubbish in the court if reviewed too early.

Why DSAI only shows some of the Lingam video clip and not all?

Just ask urself.

Everyday we are see the top guns playing chess game in the country. Today TDM making one move, tomm AAB another move, next day KJ, day after DSAI ... end of the day see who will get check mate.

The Mongolian is a translator and she knew a lot or too much. The Mongolian father when first appeared on national tv wanted to sue the gomen for $100M something like tat. Why $100M? 20% of the deal? Why Razak's wife on the day he was arrested said Razak didn't aspire to be the next PM? You got the hint?

RPK said previously he was ready to go to hell with them. He just proven himself.

pm - dismissed the allegations. he said he did not get any report from military intelligence.

najib - "everything that is claimed and written is total lies and fabricated. it is total garbage. i have no other conclusion except that it is a desperate and pathetic attempt to discredit my political image" (as reported in the spore straits times today).

kj - denied allegation that a copy of a military intelligence report had been given to him for safekeeping. he had given a statement to the police on tuesday.

and a report in the spore business times today noted that "if raja petra's claims turn out to be false, he could be in even more trouble than he already is....the...journalist was charged for sedition for alleging...that mr najib was involved in the murder...case has been fixed for october...the attorney-general, meanwhile, told media on monday, that the attorney-general's chambers had lodged a police report against raja petra for criminal defamation."

is this a high-stakes game that is being played out in the run-up to the umno elections? is there a group that is trying to smear najib?

or has rpk become an unwitting player in a carefully thought-out "black operation" to affect the umno elections? there are not that many groups around with the expertise and the connections to conceive and execute such a "black op".

being charged for sedition is one thing. being sued for defamation, while serious, is par for the course.

rpk, in his statutory declaration, has implicated military intelligence and dragged in a member of the royalty.

any whiff of treason, no matter how tangential, is another matter entirely.

MALAYSIAKINI - Nothing to do with this report but am I the only person who cannot access Malaysiakini for about 20 hours? Computer OK - slow of course cos of robber Streamyx, but working for all other blogs etc..

They should have at least call RPK in for questioning. But they have not done that yet. What are they afraid of? It is beginning to make us wonder why.... I don't think RPK is done yet. He has few more cards to play. I can't wait to find out. The suspense is greater than the election night! C'mon police. Hurry up! RPK is waiting!

Timing is everything when it somes to poltics. I am observing that this move by RPK is well planned and cleverly and strategically done. We shall try to recall, who exactly is this RPK "close" with in the politics world that he feels so "safe" and "brave".

`The smarter the journalists are, the better off society is. For to a degree, people read the press to inform themselves-and the better the teacher, the better the student body.’ - Warren Buffett

Thursday’s Tea Chatter n Clatter… “We are on distraction mode…and the plebeians are falling for it – hook, line and sinker.”· The gas station-credit card fiasco:Surprised to learn what the Minister said about 24 hour operations. When the proprietors had wanted to reduce operating hours sometime ago, it seemed they were told in no uncertain terms they were providing a service ect., blah, blah blah… Now the same Ministry is considering their plight. Talk about being flip-flop!Banks asked to be emphatic towards the plight of gas station businessmen, which almost 95 percent majority make up one ethnicity. If this is true, does not this smack of favoritism. Isn’t this a business and why should banks be considerate? Aren’t they already collecting a hefty bundle from interests of cardholders?Don’t cardholders too earn the right for such considerations?· RVL-RCI… Now applications for judicial review have been submitted. But what left flabbergasted was since when court documents were not of public domain. How media be denied access to affidavits?· Why did your Prime Minister respond to this much talked about SD? Maybe your journalists need to be reminded about another SD tendered at the onset of this famed Mongolian trial. Now, applications are being studied to expunge certain paragraphs from that SD. Why is this so and have police completed their investigations into the dreaded contents of that SD. Only after the PM, did the others follow suit with their swift response into this SD? How can one be blamed should one conclude that how conclusive police investigations into this SD would be.· This much talked about crackdown in Borneo would be the ??? Umpteenth such and yet the Administration has yet to tackle this problem of illegal immigrants. Who is trying to preempt what by calling a media briefing? Why don’t the MSM simply take out full-page advertisements (courtesy of you know who) listing out the 5Ws & H schedule of the raids.

“Wag The Dog”, “Thank You For Smoking”, “Network”, “The Almighty” to name a few… These were paperbacks, some made movies which came back memory lane. I must congratulate some of your spin doctors for their crafty moves in turning events here into a real-life Shakespearean drama which continues to drag on and turns more tawdry as December draws near!With all this brouhaha, no one seems to ask incriminating questions, about what was said, what was not said, why what was not said, not said… Look up July five years ago, the MODs David Kelly, if that doesn’t ring a bell, try Hutton Inquiry.“It will be for me to decide which matters will be the subject of my investigation. It is also my intention to conduct the inquiry m ostly in public.” Lord Hutton who headed the inquiry into the scandal which followed Kelly’s suicide.The law Lords’ effectiveness was questioned then, and a response which caught attention of many was one which went like this: “Regrettably, it doesn’t seem to me that this inquiry is going to be as wide ranging or as deep as I would like it to be.”This call about another inquiry… Who are we trying to kid?As been mentioned before maybe NPC, NUJ, CIJ whatever abbrevations remain should inculcate a new breed of journalism, which evokes change for all the right reasons.Or else one should take heed of what Buffett also said of “half-baked” journalists… “Let blockheads read what blockheads wrote.”Sekadar diPinggiran

And go try figure this….

There is a man affront three knights. The three knights are red hair, brunette and blonde. The knight of life always tell the truthThe knight of death always liesThe knight of dungeon sometimes tell the truth and sometimes liesThe man then asks the red hair " who's the blonde?"The red answers " he's the knight of life"The man asks the brunette same question Brunette answers " He's the knight of death "The man asks the Blonde who he is himself Blonde says " I'm the Dungeon "So who is who?

"Then what can I say? How can I disprove lies that are stamped with an official seal? You can deny all the things I've seen. All the things I've discovered. But not for much longer. Because too many others know what's happening out there. And no one, no government agency has jurisdiction over the truth."

I dont know who to believe at this point. all i can say is that ALL the parties named...pak lah, najib, rosmah, KJ, and even RPK...are MOSLEMS. They must know the penalty for fitnah (slander).They better be ready to face The Sovereign Lord when the time comes...AMIN.

Only in Malaysia...a DPM i so kind hearted and every forgiving .to one accusing his wife as a murderer..saying it is someone out to discredit him.Come on Najib!! SUE SUE SUE and talk less cock and bull!!Then Dollah and Khairy are in complete harmony to also deny deny deny...like great muslims...forgive your enemies.Come on..both of you...SUE SUE SUE.We want ACTIONS..not bullshits statements.