Because they don't see the Falklands as belonging to the UK DUH . Also, how it is similar to the Iraq War.

I presume that Titanm21 is referring to the Gulf War (1991) as opposed to the Iraq war (2003)

Due to the way that the ottoman empire was organised, in a system of Vilayets, Iraq had maintained that what is modern-day Kuwait, was in fact part of Iraqi Territory.

This is because Iraq was made up of the three vilayets of Basra, Baghdad and either Mosul or Kirkuk (I can't remember which was the centre of the vilayet). Now modern day Kuwait was part of the Basra vilayet, or at least a large part of it was (IIRC it just happened to be the bit with a big lake of dino blood underneath it), Iraq was kind of pissed off with Kuwait selling all this oil when it believed that it was theirs*

*why they chose 1990 to try and take it back is a matter of opinion - Iraq was pretty much broke after the Iran-Iraq war and due to the activity around Basra was not up to peak efficiency, so to increase their revenues they wanted the oil price to go up, the other members of OAPEC were outputting at pretty high levels and at a meeting Saddam tried to persuade the other members to cut things back, because for the last 10 years he had been holding back the Shia threat for them and they owed him a favour or two (less supply, same demand = higher price) amongst other groups Kuwait was unwilling to do this, which did not sit well with Saddam. Cue Invasion **

** I did hear a rumour that the moment that saddam decided to invade was about the time the Kuwaiti representative pointed out the fact that Saddam was the product of two 1st cousins marrying and that he could pretty much go fuck himself if he thought Kuwait would reduce production (I would not take this too serisously though)

I presume that Titanm21 is referring to the Gulf War (1991) as opposed to the Iraq war (2003)

Ah, that makes sense.

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** I did hear a rumour that the moment that saddam decided to invade was about the time the Kuwaiti representative pointed out the fact that Saddam was the product of two 1st cousins marrying and that he could pretty much go fuck himself if he thought Kuwait would reduce production (I would not take this too serisously though)

It would have made The Devil's Double a better film.

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ORIGINAL: Dpp1978 There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

No problem - I tend to use Gulf war and Gulf War II:Son of Bush interchangebly with Iraq war.

I hadn't actually made the connection of similarity - in terms of precedence it certainly shows us in a good light - Iraq's claim was based on map and boundary changes made in 1917/18 - so if we told them where to stick their claim I'm fairly sure the UN should do the same to Argentina

My family are in constant dispute with two families over land. Not only we are being targetted but these families are also trying to land grab council properties as well. It's a situation we have to be on guard all time. In my opinion what happening over at the Falklands is no different except the bullies are bigger.

"Aberdonians, and with some degree of purpose and right on their side, have absolute contempt for Glasgow. There is a side of Aberdonians who, let's be absolutely honest about this, feel so superior to Glasgow that you can measure it by the yard."

Pump up the jingo, pump up the jingo, pump up the jingo, dance dance!! He should be reet careful about calling into play those nations that advocate a man or men who rule a country with, let's say, a lesser sense of foul play. Yes, I know he is against his own country in most articles of national interest, and it needs more of those hippies (joke) to speak out. But I really can't help that he's using this as a footstool to promote his ownself onto the international stage. He seems to want to be the new Clinton. But with a hipper rap (thank you RDJ). Or maybe I'm being too Daily Mail about this? Shit, did I just capitalise that rag? I'd better declare war on Malibu! Not the drink mind you; I love Pinochet Coladas!

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Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper.'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it-might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time. Hey chieffy, next time you just ask me which line to pull

Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.

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he's ruining my buestiful threat!

"She must have known about all this before she let that grinning loon put his space-cock anywhere near her?" horribleives

Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.

Isn't the point, though, that the basis Argentina want talks on is already a problem as it gives credence to something that doesn't actually reflect the situation. It's like an annoying court drama where the lawyer wants a yes/no answer to a question that can't be properly answered with either. And that Penn is simply revelling in anti-British hypocrisy while pandering to Argentinian colonial notions?

It's what they've been doing for ages and got their local pals in on the act - in some ways they're operating an illegal blockade to try and force the people who actually live there, and get to decide who they are, out. Curiously this blockade isn't that well publicised.

I had no idea Argentina had been turning away cruise ships for having the temerity to stop at the Falklands beforehand, I thought it was limited to merchant vessels. Maybe cruise lines should outfox them by stopping at Argentina first, and the Falklands second

Isn't his point (in amongst all the other snide jabs at things) that Britain should return to diplomacy? To be honest we should keep a debate and line of conversation on this going with Argentina, not just refuse to talk to them. Talking to them might be helpful.

Isn't the point, though, that the basis Argentina want talks on is already a problem as it gives credence to something that doesn't actually reflect the situation. It's like an annoying court drama where the lawyer wants a yes/no answer to a question that can't be properly answered with either. And that Penn is simply revelling in anti-British hypocrisy while pandering to Argentinian colonial notions?

But international diplomacy is not best achieved by putting your fingers in your ears and saying 'na na na I can't hear you'. They should get around a table and firmly tell them to 'sod off'. The fact is that if we want to operate in the region successfully we should have good relations with our neighbours, or at least some relationship with our neighbours. I think we would be beyond reproach if we at least agreed to talk about it, say every 5 years. Tell them to sod off every 5 years, seems like it would seem more reasonable to the UN, other south American countries and the world in general. Oh and Mr Penn, the real person who matters in all this. Just saying is all.

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he's ruining my buestiful threat!

"She must have known about all this before she let that grinning loon put his space-cock anywhere near her?" horribleives

Another so called anti imperial celebrity supporting Argentina`s claim for the Falklands, whose people don`t want to be taken over by them, based on a connection Argentina has with the Spanish Empire it was part of when Spain temporarily owned them. Why can`t Roger Waters from Pink Floyd see how hypocritical he`s being? If Spain isn`t bothered why should Argentinas complaining be taken seriously?

He was advocating joint sovereignty over the islands. Do a deal to split the oil. He was under the impression that the rest of Latin America would be suitably p!ssed off by the UK telling "the lovely" Argie boss wifie to poke it that they'd go all Trade Federation on our Naboo asses. The whole of South America refusing to trade with us would be a pain the hole.

Of course, it was Galloway speaking so the chances of any truth in it are slim.

I canna see the UK playing well with others on this.

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"Aberdonians, and with some degree of purpose and right on their side, have absolute contempt for Glasgow. There is a side of Aberdonians who, let's be absolutely honest about this, feel so superior to Glasgow that you can measure it by the yard."

I've re-read the comments by Penn, Waters and now former-lyrical-genius-turned-clueless-reactionary-ex-pat-arsehole Morrisey and at no point do any of them appear to give the slightest thought to (or even acknowledge) the people who actually fucking live there. Funny that.

He was advocating joint sovereignty over the islands. Do a deal to split the oil. He was under the impression that the rest of Latin America would be suitably p!ssed off by the UK telling "the lovely" Argie boss wifie to poke it that they'd go all Trade Federation on our Naboo asses. The whole of South America refusing to trade with us would be a pain the hole.

Of course, it was Galloway speaking so the chances of any truth in it are slim.

I canna see the UK playing well with others on this.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.

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