Posted
by
msmash
on Thursday May 10, 2018 @10:40AM
from the done-deal dept.

The Federal Communications Commission said in a notice Thursday that landmark 2015 U.S. open-internet rules will cease on June 11. From a report: The FCC in December repealed the Obama-era "net neutrality" rules, allowing internet providers to block or slow websites as long as they disclose the practice. The FCC said the new rules will take effect 30 days from Friday. An FCC spokeswoman confirmed the new rules will take effect on June 11. A group of states and others have sued to try to block the new rules from taking effect. The revised rules were a win for internet service providers like AT&T and Comcast but are opposed by internet firms like Facebook and Alphabet.

Fortunately, the telecom industry has a rich history of operating as a healthy open, transparent market. Your hope is well placed and you seem to be very familiar with how the industry has acted and operated in the past.

What a terrible point. Google and Facebook are for these rules, but they are lousy with user data, so therefore the telecom industry has traditionally responsibly self-governed their market and can be trusted to continue to do so? That's your point?

Google and Facebook have nothing to do with my point that the telecom industry moves to market monopolies (historically and for good reason) in an industry in which the products and services make it tantalizingly easy to engage in anti-competitive behavior.

Take this fucking logical fallacy and shove it so far up your ass, that it re-materializes in your brain and forces you to re-evaluate it.

Absolutely nothing is forcing you to use Google or Facebook. They may abuse their positions in the industry, but you can still choose not to patronize their services. Also, anyone can easily register a domain and start their own search engine or social media business. It's not quite so easy to start a broadband ISP.

It's precious that you think the ISPs aren't collecting, indexing, and selling to the highest bidder any and all metadata they can harvest about what you are passing through their network.

Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that the ISPs are not only doing exactly what Google / Facebook are doing (less now that HTTPS is in use everywhere, but they can still get metadata), they are making you pay them for the privilege and then asking for more.

These rules classified an ISP to be regulated with Title 2 with exceptions (which probably won't stand up against the first lawsuit as the law says those exceptions do not exist for that classification). Nothing about them were related to "Net Neutrality". Why is Title 2 the answer?

How can TV do what you are saying with HBO even though TV falls under Title 2?

How does the NN rules being repealed stop things like "HBO/Youtube package Title 2 internet"?

In all seriousness, you don't think that will end up right back in the Supreme Court due to class action lawsuit?

Oh, I'd love to see that--especially if the suit were successful. But I don't see it being successful, alas, since this SCOTUS is essentially the same one that gave us that horrid Citizens United decision.

Oh, I'd love to see that--especially if the suit were successful. But I don't see it being successful, alas, since this SCOTUS is essentially the same one that gave us that horrid Citizens United decision.

You might actually. It depends on if Supreme Court Justice seats are appointed during the current administration. I know Trump's not the nicest guy but he is a populist president and whether you want to admit it or not that means he is regularly giving the US Chamber of Commerce and their sponsored Super PACs the finger in a lot of cases. That is in stark contrast to the past 30-40 years where politicians were exclusively bought off and marionettes dancing on puppet strings. Sometimes I wonder if some o

"Oh, I see now the error of my ways! I was so shortsighted and now the scales are lifted from my eyes!"

I don't think so.

Even if we do end up paying more, for less Internet access, there will be some new (or old) development that will be held up as a scapegoat as to why things didn't turn out in everyone's favor. But it won't be the fault of repealing the regulation.... no, that was the right step, it is just that they damn keep screwing things up!

Business does a crap job of providing utilities without regulation. All that happens is that the provider ensures that it becomes a monopoly and then sits back on its fat lazy ass and gouges customers.

Most of the "cling to their guns" crowd supported the administration which allowed this to happen. They believe that if you make businesses happy by removing regulations, the economy will prosper, and a brand new 4x4 pickup truck will miraculously appear in their driveway.

No, the price remains the same. Wait, you want to view Netflix? That's $2 extra a month. Wait, you want to view it in HD? $5 extra a month. YouTube also? Another $3 extra. You know what? Just subscribe to our Approved Streaming Providers package ($9.99 a month extra for the first 12 months*) where you can watch all you want. Then, when you want to comment on those videos or share them with your friends, you'll want the Approved Social Media Experience ($7.99 a month extra for the first 12 months*).

* Price valid for the first 12 months. Price may increase afterwards. Taxes and fees may apply however the ISP deems they should.

Wait, you want to view Netflix? That's $2 extra a month. Wait, you want to view it in HD? $5 extra a month....

They might do that. More likely, they will go to Netflix, YouTube and others and say: "you want our customers to be able to stream your video? Then pay us $Millions". Result: Netflix and Youtube Red subscriptions increase in price.

Yeah, there's no way ISP wanting to increase their profits are going to start charging businesses based upon their bandwidth.

Not gonna happen. The big ISPs are going to do what they've always done: increase their revenues by innovation, new infrastructure, and services that people want to buy. Improving their service and customer experience. Why, I'm so exited with my AT&T 1.5 Mbps down/.25Mbps up connection! And XFinity wont' sell me anything until I realize the value of their $200/month package.

It's all for my best interest!

We all know that the ISPs have the consumer's best interests at heart.

I'm gonna to petition the Pope to have all the CEOs at AT&T, Verizon, Comcast turned into Saints.

Not gonna happen. The big ISPs are going to do what they've always done: increase their revenues by innovation, new infrastructure, and services that people want to buy. Improving their service and customer experience.

Comcast is the best at customer service! Check this [jdpower.com] out.

To be fair, Comcast may very well have the best customer service among major ISPs, which is not so much a testament to Comcast's superior relations as it is to how incredibly shitty customer service is across the industry.

Yeah, there's no way ISP wanting to increase their profits are going to start charging businesses based upon their bandwidth.

Pssst, ISPs already charge businesses based upon their bandwidth. Did you REALLY think that getting a "gig speed" connection to Comcast Business costs the same as getting 100MBps? And do you REALLY think that Net Neutrality has anything to do with charging more for higher bandwidth connections?

And XFinity wont' sell me anything until I realize the value of their $200/month package.

Apparently you really do think that NN has something to do with the pricing of Internet service.

Given Netflix didn't start streaming anything until 2007, and the FCC has been enforcing Network Neutrality since 2005 [fcc.gov], I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are you under the impression the current Title II classification was the first and only attempt to enforce neutrality? Because the only reason the FCC adopted that was because of legal challenges to the 2005 order.

It still remains unclear exactly what was going on between Netflix and Comcast anyway, with the latter adamant it never blocked or thr