Patch 4.1 Dungeon Finder Call to Arms - Blizzard Clarification

Blizzard just posted some clarification regarding the recently announced Dungeon Finder Call to Arms feature. With this upcoming change, highly demanded roles such as tanks and healers would receive special rewards after completing a dungeon through the system. Apparently Blizzard has listened to player feedback and plans to make the reward----be BoA, allowing players to send such bags to their mains from their alts and vice versa.

We’ve been following discussions and reading feedback on the Dungeon Finder Call to Arms feature, and appreciate everyone’s opinions on the topic. We wanted to share a few items though that supplement the recent announcement:

The additional reward for completing the Dungeon Finder Call to Arms (called the Satchel of Exotic Mysteries) will be Bind on Account; able to be freely sent to other characters on your account once you receive it.

An error existed in the announcement regarding flasks and potions being picked based on your spec. This is not the case. If someone earns a Satchel of Exotic Mysteries, and if it rolls the random chance to provide a potion or flask, it will be a randomly selected. This helps ensure a broad array of available flasks and potions for all characters.

We also wanted to clarify, mounts that have a possibility to be found in a Satchel of Exotic Mysteries are found with the same rarity as if you had slain the dungeon boss that normally drops them.

So what do you think? It seems like a good compromise for everyone involved and it should be a good way to farm for gear on alts while sending bags with rare goodies containing mounts or pets to mains. Hopefully this will stop some of the debate that's been going on as well; this reward system was one of the more controversial changes recently announced and it divided the player base highly when it was first mentioned two days ago. If nothing else, it's always nice to see Blizzard listen to suggestions from its community!

Comments

Comment by vaanvern

on 2011/04/11 12:41:06

Dont forget the same can be said about dps Iceveiled, its not only just tanks, usually the lack of good dps and awareness... about in 90% of the time they re the cause of wipes, but of course since apparently 90% is less than half according to qq'ers, tanks will always get the blame

lets be real for once, dps? by the millions, tanks?if a realm has more than 500 active per faction, you re lucky to be in that realm

i strongly suggest you start rolling a tank class, aint so bad to do it, plus youll get the goodie bag as well, even if that tank would an alt, stop complaining and be part of the solution already

Comment by LordAnthrax74

on 2011/04/11 15:33:57

A: because people like you dont want to have the responability of tanking, therefore we re back on base 1, how to solve the tank shortage? well, instead of grumpling and complaining, why dont you offer a solution instead? im sure more than one would be eager to hear a good idea every once in a while

I have a solution. No one wants to hear it, but I have one.

Dungeons with NPC tanks and healers. Yep, I said it. NPC tanks and healers. Then DPS can queue for those instantly. At the cost of, say, 50% less loot. So less loot for instant queues with mediocre AI tanks and healers capable of doing the instance if DPS perform their roles properly.

:D

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Comment by spongemike

on 2011/04/11 19:01:19

LOL Stop saying healers might get a chance at the goodie bag too. Is only for Tanks. Any healers out there have instant ques? I sure don't MY Que time is usually around 10mins or so. So really this only reward tanks and TANKS only. No one else.

I am going to tank on my pally now even though I have no experience in tanking in cata. If the groups wipes coz I am a bad tank I will simply tell them blizzard made me do it coz they are only giving tanks the goodie bags. Too bad other people will have to pay for my mistake coz of blizzard smart way to fix things.

Want to blame someone blame blizzard.

Comment by Azrile

on 2011/04/11 21:41:33

I can see this idea backfiring. Queue times might get reduced, but say you get a bad tank or healer and a wipefest ensues...tank leaves...you get another bad tank, etc. Sure, this happens NOW, but with the extra carrot dangling in the faces of would-be tanks and healers you now have a bunch of new players trying to tank or heal encounters they've only done from a DPS perspective.

sure, you could get skilled puggers, but you could also get a long string of fails, turing a 1 hour pug into a 3 hour one. And even then....no extra reward for DPS and their patience.

This will only happen the first week. Tanks only get the rewards for finishing the instances. After 3 or 4 complete failures, even the most idiotic tank will realize they are wasting their time since they are never getting the goodie bag anyway.

I don´t want to sound pro-tank.. but just remember, a good tank can carry bad dps along. A bad tank can´t really be helped much. If they are bad, it is going to be a wipe, and if they can´t learn, they will just keep wiping again.

The first week with this new system will be a nightmare ( not for me, since I tank)...

Comment by Interest

on 2011/04/11 21:43:46

I can see this idea backfiring. Queue times might get reduced, but say you get a bad tank or healer and a wipefest ensues...tank leaves...you get another bad tank, etc. Sure, this happens NOW, but with the extra carrot dangling in the faces of would-be tanks and healers you now have a bunch of new players trying to tank or heal encounters they've only done from a DPS perspective.

sure, you could get skilled puggers, but you could also get a long string of fails, turing a 1 hour pug into a 3 hour one. And even then....no extra reward for DPS and their patience.

This will only happen the first week. Tanks only get the rewards for finishing the instances. After 3 or 4 complete failures, even the most idiotic tank will realize they are wasting their time since they are never getting the goodie bag anyway.

I don´t want to sound pro-tank.. but just remember, a good tank can carry bad dps along. A bad tank can´t really be helped much. If they are bad, it is going to be a wipe, and if they can´t learn, they will just keep wiping again.

The first week with this new system will be a nightmare ( not for me, since I tank)...

Which is why I'm staying out of LFD for the first week of the patch. I'll be running with the guild.

Comment by blorgensplor

on 2011/04/12 09:27:43

This is going to be a total failure.

-Only tanks have instant queues, healers still have 10 minute waits....So as everyone has said already, only tanks will get the rewards.

-The idea of shortening queues is a best case scenario. If it works out how blizzard wants it, tanks will queue more...which means shorter queues for everyone. Do you know what that means? Shorter queues mean NO ONE gets a goodie bag. So what will happen then? Tanks will STOP (or healers, or dps but I will bet it'll be the tanks) queuing just to get the goodie bag. The end result will be the same queue times as always since one role will always start not queuing to get rewards.

-Like the first point, it's pretty much rewarding tanks when they are already in the best possible position. The only way I could see this working in it's current form is if it was to reward everyone once their queue got above 20 minutes while still letting tanks get their welfare reward. This way tanks will get something to make them want to queue while dps will get a little something for having to wait (because it'll still happen, refer to my second point). The only downside to this is healers will get screwed because their wait time isn't >20 minutes and they aren't in demand like tanks are. Which pretty much proves there is no way for this to work out fairly unless when call to arms procs everyone in the group gets the bag.

-As other have said, it'll only promote bad tanking/bad healing/bad dps. I have toons that do all 3 roles, I have a warlock, I have a DK that I tank on, and I have a shaman I use purely for healing. On all 3 toons I usually try my hardest to slightly over gear something before I even attempt it. Sadly, not many think that way. I see tanks all the time with half greens (still confused on how they meet the ilvl 329 to get into heroics), healers come in with 60-65k mana (I'm sorry but I dinged 85 with like 70k so I don't see how you're still that low), and dps using an off spec's gear.

-Another thing that's been pointed out. Sure you might get a nice short queue but what happens when it's a fail tank/healer/dps (point number 3)? You just sit in queue again with repair bills. You'd be better off with 35 minute waits for a good tank. So yea, that bad player won't get a goodie bag..but everyone else just has to suffer.

There is just no way to do this and be fair about it. Tanks will get the rewards 90% of the time and people will just abuse the system. The ONLY way I can think of for this to come out in a fair way is to just reward more justice/valor points because getting them is just a matter of instances (which is the subject this effects). Have it set up to where the call to arms role get something like 30 valor points per boss (there would still be a weekly cap to prevent farming to an extreme) while the other classes get something like 30 extra justice or maybe 10 valor per boss to play with the person with call to arms. It'd still be rewarding tanks over everyone else but at least it would promote gearing and it'd still speed things up a little bit for the dps.

***As stated previously I have toons of all 3 roles so don't say I'm singling anyone out. I've played all 3 and I really enjoy all 3. I just don't think one should be rewarded over the other.

Comment by Jaspirac

on 2011/04/12 10:59:09

Maybe they should give a bag to dps who don't die, pull agro, or generally fail in the dungeon. Probably wouldn't work because it would require as much attention and skill as rolling tank or healer.

I like this new feature as it give my tank and healer another reason to que other than just the mind-numbing rep grind.

I see a lot of people crying about how dps will never benefit from this- but it is a "Call to Arms" and it won't just be tanks and healers. It will shorten que times for a while and that would mean that the call to arms will shift to dps as they would be in demand.

Comment by lankybrit

on 2011/04/12 11:57:08

LOL Stop saying healers might get a chance at the goodie bag too. Is only for Tanks. Any healers out there have instant ques? I sure don't MY Que time is usually around 10mins or so. So really this only reward tanks and TANKS only. No one else.

Free your mind young Padawan. Imagine what will happen when all the Tanks start Queueing to get the bags. It is entirely possible that Healers will start becoming the rare breed. In fact, I can also see a day when DPS will get it. I see this really balancing out the roles over time.

Cheers.

Comment by spongemike

on 2011/04/12 12:17:48

LOL Stop saying healers might get a chance at the goodie bag too. Is only for Tanks. Any healers out there have instant ques? I sure don't MY Que time is usually around 10mins or so. So really this only reward tanks and TANKS only. No one else.

Free your mind young Padawan. Imagine what will happen when all the Tanks start Queueing to get the bags. It is entirely possible that Healers will start becoming the rare breed. In fact, I can also see a day when DPS will get it. I see this really balancing out the roles over time.

Cheers.

Don't kid yourself it won't happen. 99.99% only tanks will get the goodie bag. 0.;01% MAYBE WILL be healers but that's really really rare case lol.

Comment by blorgensplor

on 2011/04/12 12:39:05

LOL Stop saying healers might get a chance at the goodie bag too. Is only for Tanks. Any healers out there have instant ques? I sure don't MY Que time is usually around 10mins or so. So really this only reward tanks and TANKS only. No one else.

Free your mind young Padawan. Imagine what will happen when all the Tanks start Queueing to get the bags. It is entirely possible that Healers will start becoming the rare breed. In fact, I can also see a day when DPS will get it. I see this really balancing out the roles over time.

Cheers.

Read my post above. Once the tanks get use to getting the goodie bags and then they stop, they'll stop queuing on purpose just to get the bags.

Comment by Looshen

on 2011/04/12 13:51:50

I will say that i don't like the new system. I play a ret/prot pally but mostly a ret pally. I for one will feel bad for others i get paired with bc i do not have the mindset for tanking but dearly want the loot on my main.

Comment by Looshen

on 2011/04/12 13:56:04

I can see this idea backfiring. Queue times might get reduced, but say you get a bad tank or healer and a wipefest ensues...tank leaves...you get another bad tank, etc. Sure, this happens NOW, but with the extra carrot dangling in the faces of would-be tanks and healers you now have a bunch of new players trying to tank or heal encounters they've only done from a DPS perspective.

sure, you could get skilled puggers, but you could also get a long string of fails, turing a 1 hour pug into a 3 hour one. And even then....no extra reward for DPS and their patience.I agree with this all the way. I will be rolling my tank spec more now than ever but will be the first to admit that i am not a good tank and will feel sorry for the group wiping

Comment by spongemike

on 2011/04/12 18:36:56

I can see this idea backfiring. Queue times might get reduced, but say you get a bad tank or healer and a wipefest ensues...tank leaves...you get another bad tank, etc. Sure, this happens NOW, but with the extra carrot dangling in the faces of would-be tanks and healers you now have a bunch of new players trying to tank or heal encounters they've only done from a DPS perspective.

sure, you could get skilled puggers, but you could also get a long string of fails, turing a 1 hour pug into a 3 hour one. And even then....no extra reward for DPS and their patience.I agree with this all the way. I will be rolling my tank spec more now than ever but will be the first to admit that i am not a good tank and will feel sorry for the group wiping

\\Same here! I do have Tank gear from here and there but not really good with tanking. All I can say is I won't stop tanking till I get the mount so that means there are going to be tons of wipe lol. My guild pays for repair fees anyways so it doesn't concern me.

Comment by Trisul

on 2011/04/13 15:23:49

Short term boost to queues may be worth it, but the heroic rewards going weekly is a bigger factor and is the single biggest reason I'm looking forward to the 4.1 patch.

Comment by Interest

on 2011/04/13 15:36:13

Short term boost to queues may be worth it, but the heroic rewards going weekly is a bigger factor and is the single biggest reason I'm looking forward to the 4.1 patch.

Agreed

Comment by Rufwon

on 2011/04/14 09:42:15

How about re-working the mechanics of the heroics depending on group make up?

Players will though have the option to want a healer or tank in the group.

Example:

No tank, means PLATE dps would have the option to do the tanking provided the mobs dont hit or crit as hard

No Healer, some concept except ... Things will be tough but you will more then likely have an extra CC

Comment by Interest

on 2011/04/14 11:25:35

How about re-working the mechanics of the heroics depending on group make up?

Players will though have the option to want a healer or tank in the group.

Example:

No tank, means PLATE dps would have the option to do the tanking provided the mobs dont hit or crit as hard

No Healer, some concept except ... Things will be tough but you will more then likely have an extra CC

It would be cool to do non "3-1-1" groups, for sure.

Comment by kodikun

on 2011/04/14 23:27:48

I was against this when they first announced it. Now that it is going to be Bind to Account, I have no complaints.

Comment by kidkonsequence

on 2011/04/15 00:15:31

I love those of you blaming Blizzard for your decision to tank for a near worthless goody bag. That's being part of the problem, not the solution.

"I dps, and have a tank alt, but blizz is making me play tank 4 my poniez omg, don't blame me, blame blizz"