NAU.OH.2009.124.20B
157485
Rich Boyd- Part 2
Interviewed by Susan McGlothlin
March 6, 2013
McGlothlin: This is Part 2 of our interview with Rich Boyd, and the date is March 6, 2013. We’re just going to talk a bit about what you did after KAFF Radio, and where your career took you. You lasted at KAFF until ’87.
Boyd: Uh-huh. And then there was one Friday that they laid off the entire senior male staff. We’d essentially hit that age. And come to find out, the next week they’d replaced every last one of us.
McGlothlin: Oh my goodness. And that was something they could do at that time.
Boyd: Yes. And we’d all signed exclusivity contracts, which never held up in court, but it would cost you so much money to prove they were worthless, you’d go broke trying to do it. I was told, "Yes, you’ve got a case of age discrimination," et cetera, et cetera, but you want to work in Flagstaff again, it didn’t matter what business you were going to get into, they’d say, "Oh, they created a problem, we don’t want 'em."
McGlothlin: And you weren’t an old person at that time. That’s amazing. They just wanted a certain age group.
Boyd: They wanted young and cheap--not that I was making a whole lot of money. When I left there I was making $14, 400 a year. So then I managed to get a job at Walgreen’s, and the first year I doubled that. I stayed with them for seventeen years, working in various departments on the floor in the outgoing side, not management or anything. I think I’d gotten burned out on management. But after two shoulder surgeries on the same shoulder in 2004 they said, "You can come back and do the same job," and my doctor said, "I don’t think so." "Bye." So I took a medical retirement.
McGlothlin: What types of city organizations did you join during those years, working in both?
Boyd: I joined the Northern Arizona Pioneer Historical Society Board--later the Arizona Historical Society, Northern Division Board. While I was still a reporter, I was on the City Historic Sites Commission, and chaired that for six years.
McGlothlin: What did you do on that committee?
Boyd: Probably ticked a lot of people off, because we were involved in historic preservation. People would come up and say, Well, I’ve got this project, and here’s what I want to do with this old building. We said, "No, it’s in the middle of a historic district. You’re not going to knock it down and put up a glass-steel something that’s going to be two stories above everybody else."
McGlothlin: What were the historic districts at that time?
Boyd: There was the downtown district. We worked on a west side district.
McGlothlin: Was the town site part of that?
Boyd: Old Town. I believe that was the second one. It’s been a number of years. And then later I also worked on the south side project. I was doing more darkroom with that, used the negatives, et cetera.
McGlothlin: You were developing all the film. Fun. And so a lot of historic preservation-type things with AHS and with the City both.
Boyd: Yes. And then we created an award for historic preservation for various buildings. The Museum Club won one, one time. The post office building was awarded that.
McGlothlin: Any of the old churches in town?
Boyd: They were pretty much noted through the Arizona Historical Society. There were a number of those that got the AHS historic site plaque.
McGlothlin: How were those awarded? Was there a big...
Boyd: In all the cases, they were nominated either by their owners or by another group. After the review process, the AHS had had to go to Tucson for a review, and their plaques, you had "X" number of words to go on the plaque. It always amazed me, it took more time to get the verbiage taken care of, than it did to approve the application. You know, change this word, take this word out.
McGlothlin: So were you on the committee that would decide who would win those awards?
Boyd: The AHS? No. Like I say, that would be Tucson. The local awards, yes. We made the award, got the plaque, awarded the plaque.
McGlothlin: I don’t know why I think this, but did you ever do reenactment, that sort of thing?
Boyd: That’s one of my hobbies I’ve had since college.
McGlothlin: Okay, that’s why. I must have heard that.
Boyd: That was another history professor, Andy Wallace. I had a couple of friends that I met here, and we’re still friends. And that was ’71.
McGlothlin: Still doing that? Where do you do this?
Boyd: We used to go all over the state, but since we’ve all gotten somewhat older, about the furthest away we go is Camp Verde. And we started out as cavalry. Then horses got really expensive, so then we kind of played around with pseudo artillery. We’ve got one friend who has two or three put-together cannons. Then we went together as a group and bought a little Mountain Howitzer. That served us for a lot of years.
McGlothlin: And that makes me think that you were at NAU during the Vietnam War.
Boyd: Yes.
McGlothlin: What was going on as far as your friends and yourself with the draft and all?
Boyd: Well, the draft came out, and luckily my draft number was in the three hundreds. When I went 1-A, got that out of the way. Most of the school friends that I knew went into the army were from high school. (pause, sigh) And unfortunately, their names are on the Wall [Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C.].
McGlothlin: Well, let us talk a little bit about Flagstaff landscape, and what you’ve noticed as far as the changes in Flagstaff, and especially some of the major wildfires that have come through that you remember.
Boyd: Well, kind of a landscape, I can remember growing up, Mogollon was a dirt street. The east-west streets were paved; north-south not so much when you got out of the downtown area. I can remember my grandparents just fuming when they got a bill from the City for paving their stretch of Mogollon, because they only had to pay half of the roadway, just so it matched up to the property--some ridiculously small sum, but it was just my grandparents, especially my grandmother was like, (high, whiney voice) "Damned Yankees!" She [unclear]. She was a staunch Southerner. And I can also remember having milk delivered to the back door.
McGlothlin: Really? Wow. So lots of changes in Flagstaff, the way it looked, and services that they gave, that sort of thing.
Boyd: Yeah. As to wildfires, the one that really stands out in my mind is the Radio Fire. KAFF had its remote setup up there, so we could broadcast there, broadcast back to the station. And it didn’t survive. It kind of got frosted. Well, frosted is not quite the term for it--fricasseed.
McGlothlin: So when that happens, the station shuts down totally?
Boyd: Well, we had no remote broadcast capabilities. We still had the towers for the AM and the FM here.
McGlothlin: Okay, because those were right at the station--is that why? Okay.
Boyd: But we did have--the FM was more than enough.
McGlothlin: And where was the radio station at that time--your KAFF station?
Boyd: It was out Old 66. That building’s still there, and the tower’s still there. And it was right next door to KCLS.
McGlothlin: Do you remember a lot about Route 66, as far as anything changing or anything special about that designation?
Boyd: Well, growing up, that was the only way through town. I-40 hadn’t been built. I don’t think I-40 was even on the drawing boards. But there really wasn’t that horrendous amount of traffic. I can remember when they put I-40 through, the City.... I can’t remember it happening, but the City demanded a berm be put in there so that traffic would continue to be routed through Flagstaff and we didn’t get cut off. Well, when you couldn’t move down Santa Fe, they decided this wasn’t a real good idea. They took it down, we didn’t get bypassed.
McGlothlin: It’s a big destination place.
Boyd: Yeah.
McGlothlin: What about the Grand Canyon? You visited with Shrine of the Ages, no doubt.
Boyd: They had stopped doing that when I was there. The last time, I think, was a year or two before I started.
McGlothlin: Okay, so you didn’t do those Easter services.
Boyd: No. My mom did under Pop Ardrey. It wasn’t Shrine of the Ages then, it was the a cappella choir.
McGlothlin: So she had a beautiful voice also, it sounds like.
Boyd: But we talked to people that had been in the choirs, and they were up there, and I know some people from church that were in Shrine at that time, and they’ve got robes on, and every piece of clothing, coats, et cetera, under the robes, to keep from freezing to death.
McGlothlin: So maybe not really a fun experience, if you’re freezing to death.
Boyd: You’re standing out there at the edge of the Grand Canyon, the sun comes up, and as you know, when the sun comes up, all of a sudden the temperature just goes (whew!) and the winds start moving.
McGlothlin: Really cold, really cold. So you also, I remember you talked about you did Flagstaff Leadership Program. How old is that program?
Boyd: That’s been around more than twenty years.
McGlothlin: Were you in one of the first groups?
Boyd: Oh no, I was fairly recent. It’s an excellent program that allows a cross-section of people in the community, if they’re accepted into the program, to see what the city is all about: to see its needs, see where it’s going. And it’s very eye-opening to a lot of people because a couple of people in my class are just going, "I didn’t know this aspect was even there. I didn’t know this was the process they were having to follow. I didn’t know that the city was trying to work around this problem." But they would do--one day would be education, another would be city government--police, fire, jail.
McGlothlin: But you were already familiar with--had been, anyway, in the eighties.
Boyd: Yeah. That was the one thing that got me [unclear], we took a tour of the jail, and they opened the big doors and I’m going, "Yup, that’s the jail." I don’t care what you do to it, it still smells like a jail.
McGlothlin: Okay. Any other organizations that you’ve been involved with over the years?
Boyd: Served a stint on my church board as a Presbyterian elder. I’m still an ordained elder. I found out that’s a lifetime gig. Luckily, my big duties are already gone, so.... I’m just really not a joiner. When I was here, I pledged to Sophos and a couple of others, and didn’t even get a response, which kind of like.... So I guess that would make me a Gamma Delta Iota.
McGlothlin: (chuckles) But you’re doing volunteer work now.
Boyd: Yes.
McGlothlin: What type of work are you doing?
Boyd: Well, I’m volunteering here in Special Collections as a volunteer archivist. I’ve been doing that since 2006.
McGlothlin: Are you enjoying that?
Boyd: I most certainly am. I’m volunteering, when I get the time, still at the Pioneers Museum. It seems I’m busy with so much other stuff, with Master Chorale and during the school year it’s trying to get music learned et cetera.
McGlothlin: So Master Chorale is a big one for you.
Boyd: Oh yes. That’s my intellectual spark for the week.
McGlothlin: And that meets once a week?
Boyd: Uh-huh.
McGlothlin: And you’ve travelled quite a bit with that. Where all have you gone with Master Chorale?
Boyd: Well, I’ve been lucky with that. Normally on really good trips Master Chorale and Shrine of Ages, whatever choir that is, will combine forces, and whoever can go from both groups, form a choir. And we had the chance to visit China. Back in Europe, Italy, Germany, Switzerland....
McGlothlin: Did you do the Africa trip?
Boyd: South Africa, Australia, New Zealand.
McGlothlin: Tell us about your New York experience.
Boyd: At this point it’s almost a year ago, but still I’m going, "I can’t believe I was there." The year before, Edie said, "I’ve been asked to come back and conduct the piece that we’re going to do, the Rutter "Magnificat."
McGlothlin: And who was this?
Boyd: Edie Copeland. She’s the director of Master Chorale, Shrine of Ages, head of choral studies. And she said, "We’re going to be doing the same thing, the ‘Magnificat’." And I asked him if I could bring my choir, and they’re all going.... And he said yes. They’re all going, "Huh?!" So we got to go back to New York and sing at Carnegie. And prior to that there was a reunion of Shrine of Ages, and there were, I think, about a half-dozen alumni that went back.
McGlothlin: And got to sing also?
Boyd: Got to sing [unclear]. And all of 'em are going, "Never in a million years would I have thought of this."
McGlothlin: And was this a packed house?
Boyd: Yup. Well, they had sold a number of tickets, but Carnegie Hall is really.... It may be as wide as Ardrey Auditorium, but it’s stacked up this way, and you’re looking up, and you can barely see the top row, because they’re like back under lights. But we walked out on the stage and I’m going, "What the hell am I doing here?!" But acoustically it was just amazing. Edie started doing what they call a sound check, just kind of run through and we’re going--we missed a couple of entrances, and she’s going, "What’s wrong?" "We can hear everybody." It was not you could hear a couple of sopranos, you heard the section, we heard the alto section. Their acoustic design was pre-computer, so somebody knew what they were doing. But it’s New York, talk about a fast turnaround, as we were leaving the hall, they were taking down our sign and taking the poster off the board. And it was literally go down these stairs, through that door, and you’re out on the street.
McGlothlin: And that’s it!
Boyd: That’s it. Yeah, you’re thirty minutes of fame is over. But it was still just, Wow!
McGlothlin: An incredible experience. Is there anything that we haven’t talked about--NAU or Flagstaff or family or anything that you’d like to?
Boyd: You touched on segregation and desegregation. At Emerson School, the school was integrated. I had friends who were African American. Had one come over, we were gonna play catch on the lawn, and Grandma being a staunch Southerner, threw open a window and said, "Get that damned nigger outta my yard!" And he went, "Is your grandma from the South?" I said, "Yeah." "Bye!" And though elementary school, I wasn’t the most popular kid around.
McGlothlin: Just with that incident.
Boyd: Junior high and high school, that kind of evaporated. Everybody was the same. But that really bothered me.
McGlothlin: I’m sure.
Boyd: And people are going, "Why aren’t you like your grandparents?" Because they were like that. My family never went to church. My mom and her parents never went to church. And I had a girl from the neighborhood that took me to Federated one time, and I just kept going.
McGlothlin: Do you feel like that made you a different person then?
Boyd: Very much so.
McGlothlin: How you would have been raised, or if you were raised, uh-huh. That’s a very interesting story. Well, I want to thank you for sharing all of these memories, it’s been wonderful.
Boyd: You’re welcome.
McGlothlin: Alright.

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NAU.OH.2009.124.20B
157485
Rich Boyd- Part 2
Interviewed by Susan McGlothlin
March 6, 2013
McGlothlin: This is Part 2 of our interview with Rich Boyd, and the date is March 6, 2013. We’re just going to talk a bit about what you did after KAFF Radio, and where your career took you. You lasted at KAFF until ’87.
Boyd: Uh-huh. And then there was one Friday that they laid off the entire senior male staff. We’d essentially hit that age. And come to find out, the next week they’d replaced every last one of us.
McGlothlin: Oh my goodness. And that was something they could do at that time.
Boyd: Yes. And we’d all signed exclusivity contracts, which never held up in court, but it would cost you so much money to prove they were worthless, you’d go broke trying to do it. I was told, "Yes, you’ve got a case of age discrimination," et cetera, et cetera, but you want to work in Flagstaff again, it didn’t matter what business you were going to get into, they’d say, "Oh, they created a problem, we don’t want 'em."
McGlothlin: And you weren’t an old person at that time. That’s amazing. They just wanted a certain age group.
Boyd: They wanted young and cheap--not that I was making a whole lot of money. When I left there I was making $14, 400 a year. So then I managed to get a job at Walgreen’s, and the first year I doubled that. I stayed with them for seventeen years, working in various departments on the floor in the outgoing side, not management or anything. I think I’d gotten burned out on management. But after two shoulder surgeries on the same shoulder in 2004 they said, "You can come back and do the same job," and my doctor said, "I don’t think so." "Bye." So I took a medical retirement.
McGlothlin: What types of city organizations did you join during those years, working in both?
Boyd: I joined the Northern Arizona Pioneer Historical Society Board--later the Arizona Historical Society, Northern Division Board. While I was still a reporter, I was on the City Historic Sites Commission, and chaired that for six years.
McGlothlin: What did you do on that committee?
Boyd: Probably ticked a lot of people off, because we were involved in historic preservation. People would come up and say, Well, I’ve got this project, and here’s what I want to do with this old building. We said, "No, it’s in the middle of a historic district. You’re not going to knock it down and put up a glass-steel something that’s going to be two stories above everybody else."
McGlothlin: What were the historic districts at that time?
Boyd: There was the downtown district. We worked on a west side district.
McGlothlin: Was the town site part of that?
Boyd: Old Town. I believe that was the second one. It’s been a number of years. And then later I also worked on the south side project. I was doing more darkroom with that, used the negatives, et cetera.
McGlothlin: You were developing all the film. Fun. And so a lot of historic preservation-type things with AHS and with the City both.
Boyd: Yes. And then we created an award for historic preservation for various buildings. The Museum Club won one, one time. The post office building was awarded that.
McGlothlin: Any of the old churches in town?
Boyd: They were pretty much noted through the Arizona Historical Society. There were a number of those that got the AHS historic site plaque.
McGlothlin: How were those awarded? Was there a big...
Boyd: In all the cases, they were nominated either by their owners or by another group. After the review process, the AHS had had to go to Tucson for a review, and their plaques, you had "X" number of words to go on the plaque. It always amazed me, it took more time to get the verbiage taken care of, than it did to approve the application. You know, change this word, take this word out.
McGlothlin: So were you on the committee that would decide who would win those awards?
Boyd: The AHS? No. Like I say, that would be Tucson. The local awards, yes. We made the award, got the plaque, awarded the plaque.
McGlothlin: I don’t know why I think this, but did you ever do reenactment, that sort of thing?
Boyd: That’s one of my hobbies I’ve had since college.
McGlothlin: Okay, that’s why. I must have heard that.
Boyd: That was another history professor, Andy Wallace. I had a couple of friends that I met here, and we’re still friends. And that was ’71.
McGlothlin: Still doing that? Where do you do this?
Boyd: We used to go all over the state, but since we’ve all gotten somewhat older, about the furthest away we go is Camp Verde. And we started out as cavalry. Then horses got really expensive, so then we kind of played around with pseudo artillery. We’ve got one friend who has two or three put-together cannons. Then we went together as a group and bought a little Mountain Howitzer. That served us for a lot of years.
McGlothlin: And that makes me think that you were at NAU during the Vietnam War.
Boyd: Yes.
McGlothlin: What was going on as far as your friends and yourself with the draft and all?
Boyd: Well, the draft came out, and luckily my draft number was in the three hundreds. When I went 1-A, got that out of the way. Most of the school friends that I knew went into the army were from high school. (pause, sigh) And unfortunately, their names are on the Wall [Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C.].
McGlothlin: Well, let us talk a little bit about Flagstaff landscape, and what you’ve noticed as far as the changes in Flagstaff, and especially some of the major wildfires that have come through that you remember.
Boyd: Well, kind of a landscape, I can remember growing up, Mogollon was a dirt street. The east-west streets were paved; north-south not so much when you got out of the downtown area. I can remember my grandparents just fuming when they got a bill from the City for paving their stretch of Mogollon, because they only had to pay half of the roadway, just so it matched up to the property--some ridiculously small sum, but it was just my grandparents, especially my grandmother was like, (high, whiney voice) "Damned Yankees!" She [unclear]. She was a staunch Southerner. And I can also remember having milk delivered to the back door.
McGlothlin: Really? Wow. So lots of changes in Flagstaff, the way it looked, and services that they gave, that sort of thing.
Boyd: Yeah. As to wildfires, the one that really stands out in my mind is the Radio Fire. KAFF had its remote setup up there, so we could broadcast there, broadcast back to the station. And it didn’t survive. It kind of got frosted. Well, frosted is not quite the term for it--fricasseed.
McGlothlin: So when that happens, the station shuts down totally?
Boyd: Well, we had no remote broadcast capabilities. We still had the towers for the AM and the FM here.
McGlothlin: Okay, because those were right at the station--is that why? Okay.
Boyd: But we did have--the FM was more than enough.
McGlothlin: And where was the radio station at that time--your KAFF station?
Boyd: It was out Old 66. That building’s still there, and the tower’s still there. And it was right next door to KCLS.
McGlothlin: Do you remember a lot about Route 66, as far as anything changing or anything special about that designation?
Boyd: Well, growing up, that was the only way through town. I-40 hadn’t been built. I don’t think I-40 was even on the drawing boards. But there really wasn’t that horrendous amount of traffic. I can remember when they put I-40 through, the City.... I can’t remember it happening, but the City demanded a berm be put in there so that traffic would continue to be routed through Flagstaff and we didn’t get cut off. Well, when you couldn’t move down Santa Fe, they decided this wasn’t a real good idea. They took it down, we didn’t get bypassed.
McGlothlin: It’s a big destination place.
Boyd: Yeah.
McGlothlin: What about the Grand Canyon? You visited with Shrine of the Ages, no doubt.
Boyd: They had stopped doing that when I was there. The last time, I think, was a year or two before I started.
McGlothlin: Okay, so you didn’t do those Easter services.
Boyd: No. My mom did under Pop Ardrey. It wasn’t Shrine of the Ages then, it was the a cappella choir.
McGlothlin: So she had a beautiful voice also, it sounds like.
Boyd: But we talked to people that had been in the choirs, and they were up there, and I know some people from church that were in Shrine at that time, and they’ve got robes on, and every piece of clothing, coats, et cetera, under the robes, to keep from freezing to death.
McGlothlin: So maybe not really a fun experience, if you’re freezing to death.
Boyd: You’re standing out there at the edge of the Grand Canyon, the sun comes up, and as you know, when the sun comes up, all of a sudden the temperature just goes (whew!) and the winds start moving.
McGlothlin: Really cold, really cold. So you also, I remember you talked about you did Flagstaff Leadership Program. How old is that program?
Boyd: That’s been around more than twenty years.
McGlothlin: Were you in one of the first groups?
Boyd: Oh no, I was fairly recent. It’s an excellent program that allows a cross-section of people in the community, if they’re accepted into the program, to see what the city is all about: to see its needs, see where it’s going. And it’s very eye-opening to a lot of people because a couple of people in my class are just going, "I didn’t know this aspect was even there. I didn’t know this was the process they were having to follow. I didn’t know that the city was trying to work around this problem." But they would do--one day would be education, another would be city government--police, fire, jail.
McGlothlin: But you were already familiar with--had been, anyway, in the eighties.
Boyd: Yeah. That was the one thing that got me [unclear], we took a tour of the jail, and they opened the big doors and I’m going, "Yup, that’s the jail." I don’t care what you do to it, it still smells like a jail.
McGlothlin: Okay. Any other organizations that you’ve been involved with over the years?
Boyd: Served a stint on my church board as a Presbyterian elder. I’m still an ordained elder. I found out that’s a lifetime gig. Luckily, my big duties are already gone, so.... I’m just really not a joiner. When I was here, I pledged to Sophos and a couple of others, and didn’t even get a response, which kind of like.... So I guess that would make me a Gamma Delta Iota.
McGlothlin: (chuckles) But you’re doing volunteer work now.
Boyd: Yes.
McGlothlin: What type of work are you doing?
Boyd: Well, I’m volunteering here in Special Collections as a volunteer archivist. I’ve been doing that since 2006.
McGlothlin: Are you enjoying that?
Boyd: I most certainly am. I’m volunteering, when I get the time, still at the Pioneers Museum. It seems I’m busy with so much other stuff, with Master Chorale and during the school year it’s trying to get music learned et cetera.
McGlothlin: So Master Chorale is a big one for you.
Boyd: Oh yes. That’s my intellectual spark for the week.
McGlothlin: And that meets once a week?
Boyd: Uh-huh.
McGlothlin: And you’ve travelled quite a bit with that. Where all have you gone with Master Chorale?
Boyd: Well, I’ve been lucky with that. Normally on really good trips Master Chorale and Shrine of Ages, whatever choir that is, will combine forces, and whoever can go from both groups, form a choir. And we had the chance to visit China. Back in Europe, Italy, Germany, Switzerland....
McGlothlin: Did you do the Africa trip?
Boyd: South Africa, Australia, New Zealand.
McGlothlin: Tell us about your New York experience.
Boyd: At this point it’s almost a year ago, but still I’m going, "I can’t believe I was there." The year before, Edie said, "I’ve been asked to come back and conduct the piece that we’re going to do, the Rutter "Magnificat."
McGlothlin: And who was this?
Boyd: Edie Copeland. She’s the director of Master Chorale, Shrine of Ages, head of choral studies. And she said, "We’re going to be doing the same thing, the ‘Magnificat’." And I asked him if I could bring my choir, and they’re all going.... And he said yes. They’re all going, "Huh?!" So we got to go back to New York and sing at Carnegie. And prior to that there was a reunion of Shrine of Ages, and there were, I think, about a half-dozen alumni that went back.
McGlothlin: And got to sing also?
Boyd: Got to sing [unclear]. And all of 'em are going, "Never in a million years would I have thought of this."
McGlothlin: And was this a packed house?
Boyd: Yup. Well, they had sold a number of tickets, but Carnegie Hall is really.... It may be as wide as Ardrey Auditorium, but it’s stacked up this way, and you’re looking up, and you can barely see the top row, because they’re like back under lights. But we walked out on the stage and I’m going, "What the hell am I doing here?!" But acoustically it was just amazing. Edie started doing what they call a sound check, just kind of run through and we’re going--we missed a couple of entrances, and she’s going, "What’s wrong?" "We can hear everybody." It was not you could hear a couple of sopranos, you heard the section, we heard the alto section. Their acoustic design was pre-computer, so somebody knew what they were doing. But it’s New York, talk about a fast turnaround, as we were leaving the hall, they were taking down our sign and taking the poster off the board. And it was literally go down these stairs, through that door, and you’re out on the street.
McGlothlin: And that’s it!
Boyd: That’s it. Yeah, you’re thirty minutes of fame is over. But it was still just, Wow!
McGlothlin: An incredible experience. Is there anything that we haven’t talked about--NAU or Flagstaff or family or anything that you’d like to?
Boyd: You touched on segregation and desegregation. At Emerson School, the school was integrated. I had friends who were African American. Had one come over, we were gonna play catch on the lawn, and Grandma being a staunch Southerner, threw open a window and said, "Get that damned nigger outta my yard!" And he went, "Is your grandma from the South?" I said, "Yeah." "Bye!" And though elementary school, I wasn’t the most popular kid around.
McGlothlin: Just with that incident.
Boyd: Junior high and high school, that kind of evaporated. Everybody was the same. But that really bothered me.
McGlothlin: I’m sure.
Boyd: And people are going, "Why aren’t you like your grandparents?" Because they were like that. My family never went to church. My mom and her parents never went to church. And I had a girl from the neighborhood that took me to Federated one time, and I just kept going.
McGlothlin: Do you feel like that made you a different person then?
Boyd: Very much so.
McGlothlin: How you would have been raised, or if you were raised, uh-huh. That’s a very interesting story. Well, I want to thank you for sharing all of these memories, it’s been wonderful.
Boyd: You’re welcome.
McGlothlin: Alright.