Driver fights bus lane penalty after being diverted for Bradford City Runs event

A driver who was one of 223 fined for going into a bus lane on the day of the Bradford City Runs is appealing the decision with an independent adjudicator.

Nigel Dixon was issued with the £60 Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) after driving in the restricted area on Bridge Street on October 27.

Road closures were in place for the event, organised by Bradford Council and the Bradford Athletics Network, from 8am until 2pm.

The 55-year-old is disputing the notice because stewards were diverting traffic to Bridge Street and his breach was unintentional. Not knowing the city centre well, he followed other cars and assumed the bus lane restrictions were suspended to allow for people having to take alternative routes.

An initial appeal to Bradford Council failed, with the local authority saying, “once diverted, motorists were expected to comply with traffic regulations as normal.”

Mr Dixon, of Sunningdale Crescent, Cullingworth, is now waiting to hear from the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.

“If it had just been me and I was the only car that went that way, I’d have thought obviously I’m the only one that got it wrong. I’m really, really aggrieved. It’s not the money, it’s the principle,” he said. Mr Dixon expects to give evidence to the adjudicator in the next few days and said he would point out how many people were issued PCNs.

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“You would think they [the Council] would look at those figures and say ‘something was obviously going on here,’” he said.

If all drivers paid the fine within 14 days, meaning it drops from £60 to £30, the Council would net £6,690 from the notices issued on October 27.

A Council spokesman said: “About 20 per cent of people [issued PCNs] appealed and there are currently four cases with the independent Traffic Penalty Tribunal awaiting hearings.”

Council documents sent to the adjudicator acknowledge there was a road closure in place, but said “no other restrictions were suspended.”

“It appears that the appellant, not knowing the area, simply followed the vehicles in front. We can confirm they were issued PCNs as well,” the document says. “The appellant’s mitigation is not compelling enough for us to cancel this PCN, but if this appeal is dismissed we would accept the discount rate.”

Mr Dixon was on his way to Leeds when he drove into the city centre along Sunbridge Road. He intended to take his usual route and turn onto Tetley Street, but was directed further along Sunbridge Road as the side street was closed.

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A second marshal at the junction with Goodwin Street advised him to continue along Sunbridge Road, which turns into Bridge Street. But instead of avoiding the buses only section of Bridge Street, by using Market Street and Bank Street, drivers carried straight on.

Bradford Council Appeals and Adjudications Officer Gary Leeming said: “No vehicles would have entered the bus lane on Bridge Street if the clear signs had been followed.”

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Driver fights bus lane penalty after being diverted for Bradford City Runs event

alive and awake says...8:54am Mon 6 Jan 14

I feel sorry for this chap. Bradford Council good at chasing easy targets, but not so good at dealing with scumbag dog muck culprits, or the fly tippers, or the non payment of Council Tax. oh and can Bradford council be fined for not dealing with street lighting.

I feel sorry for this chap. Bradford Council good at chasing easy targets, but not so good at dealing with scumbag dog muck culprits, or the fly tippers, or the non payment of Council Tax. oh and can Bradford council be fined for not dealing with street lighting.alive and awake

I feel sorry for this chap. Bradford Council good at chasing easy targets, but not so good at dealing with scumbag dog muck culprits, or the fly tippers, or the non payment of Council Tax. oh and can Bradford council be fined for not dealing with street lighting.

Score: 43

allannicho says...9:34am Mon 6 Jan 14

Alive & Awake, spot on, I too was new to Bradford having to do a shift in a City Center Office block, took a wrong turning, well you can guess the rest I Appealed of course knowing it would probably be futile and of course it was, meant I worked a full shift for 20 squid, nice.

Alive & Awake, spot on, I too was new to Bradford having to do a shift
in a City Center Office block, took a wrong turning, well you can
guess the rest
I Appealed of course knowing it would probably be futile and of course it was,
meant I worked a full shift for 20 squid, nice.allannicho

Alive & Awake, spot on, I too was new to Bradford having to do a shift in a City Center Office block, took a wrong turning, well you can guess the rest I Appealed of course knowing it would probably be futile and of course it was, meant I worked a full shift for 20 squid, nice.

Score: 29

Old Peculiar says...9:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.Old Peculiar

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

Score: 30

yezboss says...10:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

He also needs to point out the Tribunal, (by way of 'additonal evidence' ) if he has not already done so, NONE of the 'BUS LANE CAMERA' signs are lawful. There is NO SUCH SIGN in the Traffic Signs and General Directions Regulations 2005. Also quoting the precedent case 'Oxford CC V Chief Bus Lane Adjudicator 2003'. This was a simlar case where in a Judical Review held in the Birmingham High Court where His Honour ruled against that Council supporting the Adjudicators case, those same design signs were unlawful and unenforcable and Oxford CC had to change their signs before they could continue to enforce their 'bus gate' which this is. Please note each case is judged on it merit however and Adjudicators may take note of previous decisions but perversly do not have to follow them, and if the Adjudicator in this case does not do so Appeal further to the Chief Adjudicator. The next line of appeal if that fails would be for a Judical Review as above which can be expensive and be beyond the pocket for the ordinary man in the street to fund, which in my view is very wrong. Hope he reads this and good luck. It is high time Bradford MDC had their hands slapped, (again) I appealed because of bad signing and they backed off 'due to a technicality' (which I was quite willing to overlook) which thwarted my attempt to have them hauled over the coals for these signs and they knew it.

He also needs to point out the Tribunal, (by way of 'additonal evidence' ) if he has not already done so, NONE of the 'BUS LANE CAMERA' signs are lawful. There is NO SUCH SIGN in the Traffic Signs and General Directions Regulations 2005.
Also quoting the precedent case 'Oxford CC V Chief Bus Lane Adjudicator 2003'. This was a simlar case where in a Judical Review held in the Birmingham High Court where His Honour ruled against that Council supporting the Adjudicators case, those same design signs were unlawful and unenforcable and Oxford CC had to change their signs before they could continue to enforce their 'bus gate' which this is. Please note each case is judged on it merit however and Adjudicators may take note of previous decisions but perversly do not have to follow them, and if the Adjudicator in this case does not do so Appeal further to the Chief Adjudicator. The next line of appeal if that fails would be for a Judical Review as above which can be expensive and be beyond the pocket for the ordinary man in the street to fund, which in my view is very wrong. Hope he reads this and good luck. It is high time Bradford MDC had their hands slapped, (again) I appealed because of bad signing and they backed off 'due to a technicality' (which I was quite willing to overlook) which thwarted my attempt to have them hauled over the coals for these signs and they knew it.yezboss

He also needs to point out the Tribunal, (by way of 'additonal evidence' ) if he has not already done so, NONE of the 'BUS LANE CAMERA' signs are lawful. There is NO SUCH SIGN in the Traffic Signs and General Directions Regulations 2005. Also quoting the precedent case 'Oxford CC V Chief Bus Lane Adjudicator 2003'. This was a simlar case where in a Judical Review held in the Birmingham High Court where His Honour ruled against that Council supporting the Adjudicators case, those same design signs were unlawful and unenforcable and Oxford CC had to change their signs before they could continue to enforce their 'bus gate' which this is. Please note each case is judged on it merit however and Adjudicators may take note of previous decisions but perversly do not have to follow them, and if the Adjudicator in this case does not do so Appeal further to the Chief Adjudicator. The next line of appeal if that fails would be for a Judical Review as above which can be expensive and be beyond the pocket for the ordinary man in the street to fund, which in my view is very wrong. Hope he reads this and good luck. It is high time Bradford MDC had their hands slapped, (again) I appealed because of bad signing and they backed off 'due to a technicality' (which I was quite willing to overlook) which thwarted my attempt to have them hauled over the coals for these signs and they knew it.

Score: 18

yezboss says...10:50am Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote:
I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.[/p][/quote]I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.yezboss

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

Score: 3

alive and awake says...10:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

well said, I have often thought if a TV company put cameras on the traffic lights at 4 lane ends and the kwik fit lights a bit lower down this would make for cracking TV. Some of the stunts I see there are just unbelievable.

[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote:
I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.[/p][/quote]well said, I have often thought if a TV company put cameras on the traffic lights at 4 lane ends and the kwik fit lights a bit lower down this would make for cracking TV. Some of the stunts I see there are just unbelievable.alive and awake

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

well said, I have often thought if a TV company put cameras on the traffic lights at 4 lane ends and the kwik fit lights a bit lower down this would make for cracking TV. Some of the stunts I see there are just unbelievable.

Score: 16

BagOfMonkeys says...12:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I know, lets sack all these council staff, and make all their salaries count towards council cuts, the traffic in Bradford is so bl**dy bad there's absolutely no need for these charlatans to be awarded for their failures!!!

I know, lets sack all these council staff, and make all their salaries count towards council cuts, the traffic in Bradford is so bl**dy bad there's absolutely no need for these charlatans to be awarded for their failures!!!BagOfMonkeys

I know, lets sack all these council staff, and make all their salaries count towards council cuts, the traffic in Bradford is so bl**dy bad there's absolutely no need for these charlatans to be awarded for their failures!!!

Score: 9

Tinybantam says...12:50pm Mon 6 Jan 14

yezboss wrote…

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.

[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote:
I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.[/p][/quote]I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.[/p][/quote]I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.Tinybantam

yezboss wrote…

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.

Score: 4

alive and awake says...1:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Tinybantam wrote…

yezboss wrote…

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.

I'll drive it for free. Come on Bradford Council turn that offer down.

[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote:
I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.[/p][/quote]I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.[/p][/quote]I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.[/p][/quote]I'll drive it for free. Come on Bradford Council turn that offer down.alive and awake

Tinybantam wrote…

yezboss wrote…

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

I do believe they have such a vehicle, but rarely field it. Especially where most parking offences take place. There was a 'techical' problem with them as Eric Pickles MP vetoed their use but I think that's been overcome now. Just need someone brave enough to drive it.

I am afraid no one will will want to drive it for fear of the race card being played.

I'll drive it for free. Come on Bradford Council turn that offer down.

Score: 9

mad matt says...1:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

Need that camera car checking out the parking violations outside schools, morning and afternoon. More cars seem to stop on the yellow zig-zags or double park with every fresh intake of pupils.

[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote:
I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual.
If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££
.
But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.[/p][/quote]Need that camera car checking out the parking violations outside schools, morning and afternoon.
More cars seem to stop on the yellow zig-zags or double park with every fresh intake of pupils.mad matt

Old Peculiar wrote…

I agree - Brafud Council picking on the easy targets as usual. If they took this type of stuff seriously, and got one of those video enforcement cars ; which are being used in various party of the country to record parking / driving violations, and drove it round Manningham / Oak Lane / Girlington / Whetley Hill / Duckworth Lane areas (or basically within a 1 mile radius of Toller Lane Police Station!!) for a couple of hours, they would make £££MILLIONS£££ . But then again, that's not gonna happen is it.......... stick with the easy pickings, don't risk upsetting the locals.

Need that camera car checking out the parking violations outside schools, morning and afternoon. More cars seem to stop on the yellow zig-zags or double park with every fresh intake of pupils.

Score: 5

basil fawlty says...2:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I have every sympathy with this driver. Anybody who drives around a city centre these days is confronted by such a forest of badly co-ordinated signs, road markings and other street furniture that it has become almost impossible to to keep track of these. II agree with the above comments, the really bad and dangerous drivers ought to be the priority, like those who drive through red traffic lights.

I have every sympathy with this driver. Anybody who drives around a city centre these days is confronted by such a forest of badly co-ordinated signs, road markings and other street furniture that it has become almost impossible to to keep track of these.
II agree with the above comments, the really bad and dangerous drivers ought to be the priority, like those who drive through red traffic lights.basil fawlty

I have every sympathy with this driver. Anybody who drives around a city centre these days is confronted by such a forest of badly co-ordinated signs, road markings and other street furniture that it has become almost impossible to to keep track of these. II agree with the above comments, the really bad and dangerous drivers ought to be the priority, like those who drive through red traffic lights.

Score: 13

genius1991 says...2:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Bradford council logic. Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton. When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.

Bradford council logic.
Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton.
When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.genius1991

Bradford council logic. Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton. When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.

Score: 2

Joedavid says...3:49pm Mon 6 Jan 14

genius1991 wrote…

Bradford council logic. Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton. When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.

Your assuming more people will come by car to Bradford when Westfield opens. It was said the City Park would bring lots in before it was done, and lots of money too.

[quote][p][bold]genius1991[/bold] wrote:
Bradford council logic. Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton. When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.[/p][/quote]Your assuming more people will come by car to Bradford when Westfield opens.
It was said the City Park would bring lots in before it was done, and lots of money too.Joedavid

genius1991 wrote…

Bradford council logic. Add to that their decision to try sort out Saltaire traffic...by pushing it back towards Shipley, Frizinghall and Heaton. When it comes to traffic and road regulations, we are severely let down by these people. I feel for all of us once the Broadway project starts. Bradford centre will be even worse than it is during the half 5 rush hour. Imagine the dangerous drivers then going over pavements, ignoring red lights and speeding through side streets. Sort it out BMDC.

Your assuming more people will come by car to Bradford when Westfield opens. It was said the City Park would bring lots in before it was done, and lots of money too.

Score: 2

arishton says...4:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I totally agree, the council are unfair. I have been caught out by not knowing the area and then ending up on a "very short" bus lane that I couldn't get off. Should be dealing with the gangsters that drive around town flounting road laws repeatedly..... but they won't; as people say they only go for the easy target! It's disgusting.

I totally agree, the council are unfair. I have been caught out by not knowing the area and then ending up on a "very short" bus lane that I couldn't get off.
Should be dealing with the gangsters that drive around town flounting road laws repeatedly..... but they won't; as people say they only go for the easy target! It's disgusting.arishton

I totally agree, the council are unfair. I have been caught out by not knowing the area and then ending up on a "very short" bus lane that I couldn't get off. Should be dealing with the gangsters that drive around town flounting road laws repeatedly..... but they won't; as people say they only go for the easy target! It's disgusting.

Score: 7

linebacker2 says...4:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Just out of interest - were any buses actually running when these drivers got scammed by the council?

Just out of interest - were any buses actually running when these drivers got scammed by the council?linebacker2

Just out of interest - were any buses actually running when these drivers got scammed by the council?

Score: 8

richard grant says...5:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE.
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD.
DAY LIGHT ROBBERY.
TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL
GOOD BYE BRADFORDrichard grant

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

Score: 4

steve10 says...6:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .

Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .steve10

Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .

Score: 3

alive and awake says...6:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP!

[quote][p][bold]richard grant[/bold] wrote:
SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE.
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD.
DAY LIGHT ROBBERY.
TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL
GOOD BYE BRADFORD[/p][/quote]You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP!alive and awake

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP!

Score: 1

alive and awake says...7:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

alive and awake wrote…

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP!

God we can't even say P-U-S-S-Y footing now.

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]richard grant[/bold] wrote:
SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE.
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD.
DAY LIGHT ROBBERY.
TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL
GOOD BYE BRADFORD[/p][/quote]You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP![/p][/quote]God we can't even say P-U-S-S-Y footing now.alive and awake

alive and awake wrote…

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

You lucky man I envy you. Bradford is a dump swarming with scumbags, the Council are worse than useless,the Police are no better, **** footing around the main culprits, we need some clever, honest people to put their names down in the next elections. I see yet another shooting in Bradford, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! GET A GRIP!

God we can't even say P-U-S-S-Y footing now.

Score: 1

allinittogether says...7:45pm Mon 6 Jan 14

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

Make your mind up. If "TROUBLE IS, IT'S NATIONAL" it's not just Bradford then, is it?

[quote][p][bold]richard grant[/bold] wrote:
SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE.
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD.
DAY LIGHT ROBBERY.
TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL
GOOD BYE BRADFORD[/p][/quote]Make your mind up. If "TROUBLE IS, IT'S NATIONAL" it's not just Bradford then, is it?allinittogether

richard grant wrote…

SORRY FOR THIS BLOKE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF BRADFORD WITH ITS POTHOLES, CAMERA TRAPS, SPEED CAMERAS, YELLOW LINES, TIP PERMITS ECT. AND NOW MOVED OUT OF BRADFORD FOR GOOD. DAY LIGHT ROBBERY. TROUBLE IS , ITS NATIONAL GOOD BYE BRADFORD

Make your mind up. If "TROUBLE IS, IT'S NATIONAL" it's not just Bradford then, is it?

Score: 5

johnhem says...10:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

steve10 wrote…

Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .

what's Jeremy kyle and a benefits programme got to do with bus lane fines? if you have a bee in your bonnet and feel prejudice about people on benefits go onto the T&A forum, even better the bradford free forum, where the moderators actually let you talk. just so you know before opening it and putting both feet in, as many , if not more, people in work are claiming benefits than those not working. lots of those at home are there from no fault of their own. stick to the topic, that's bus lane fines. clear signing by marshalls and diversion signs should have been placed, even locals won't know where you are expected to go if being diverted, you rely on them to steer you right.

[quote][p][bold]steve10[/bold] wrote:
Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .[/p][/quote]what's Jeremy kyle and a benefits programme got to do with bus lane fines? if you have a bee in your bonnet and feel prejudice about people on benefits go onto the T&A forum, even better the bradford free forum, where the moderators actually let you talk. just so you know before opening it and putting both feet in, as many , if not more, people in work are claiming benefits than those not working. lots of those at home are there from no fault of their own. stick to the topic, that's bus lane fines.
clear signing by marshalls and diversion signs should have been placed, even locals won't know where you are expected to go if being diverted, you rely on them to steer you right.johnhem

steve10 wrote…

Makes my blood boil but I am afraid someone has to pay for all the r soles that sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!! just watch the programme tonight about benefits Street tonight on channel 4 .

what's Jeremy kyle and a benefits programme got to do with bus lane fines? if you have a bee in your bonnet and feel prejudice about people on benefits go onto the T&A forum, even better the bradford free forum, where the moderators actually let you talk. just so you know before opening it and putting both feet in, as many , if not more, people in work are claiming benefits than those not working. lots of those at home are there from no fault of their own. stick to the topic, that's bus lane fines. clear signing by marshalls and diversion signs should have been placed, even locals won't know where you are expected to go if being diverted, you rely on them to steer you right.

Score: 1

Mr Capp says...10:06am Tue 7 Jan 14

This is not about race. It's about Bradford council raising revenue and hitting the long suffering motorists. Any vitriol should be directed at them. Serial shoplifters and other criminals who commit crime with impunity are often cautioned, signed up to behaviour contracts or given conditional discharges. Why doesn't the same apply to minor traffic offences such as this? The answer is obvious. Treat the council like they are the enemy, because thats how they see you!

This is not about race. It's about Bradford council raising revenue and hitting the long suffering motorists.
Any vitriol should be directed at them. Serial shoplifters and other criminals who commit crime with impunity are often cautioned, signed up to behaviour contracts or given conditional discharges. Why doesn't the same apply to minor traffic offences such as this?
The answer is obvious. Treat the council like they are the enemy, because thats how they see you!Mr Capp

This is not about race. It's about Bradford council raising revenue and hitting the long suffering motorists. Any vitriol should be directed at them. Serial shoplifters and other criminals who commit crime with impunity are often cautioned, signed up to behaviour contracts or given conditional discharges. Why doesn't the same apply to minor traffic offences such as this? The answer is obvious. Treat the council like they are the enemy, because thats how they see you!

Score: 0

ravacity says...3:55pm Tue 7 Jan 14

I work in a different town every day throughout the uk and so far this year have managed to get three bus lane fines which comes out of my own pocket, I asked my manager for help,he just said I should pay more attention when driving,saying your not familiar with the area won't wash I'm afraid.

I work in a different town every day throughout the uk and so far this year have managed to get three bus lane fines which comes out of my own pocket, I asked my manager for help,he just said I should pay more attention when driving,saying your not familiar with the area won't wash I'm afraid.ravacity

I work in a different town every day throughout the uk and so far this year have managed to get three bus lane fines which comes out of my own pocket, I asked my manager for help,he just said I should pay more attention when driving,saying your not familiar with the area won't wash I'm afraid.

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