I've been asked repeatedly to release my entire conversation with the shark cull contractor in the south of Western Australia so here it is (and it's long). Whether you agree with the cull or not, this conversation offers a unique platform to analyze the cull. It's pretty clear from watching the video that Graeme Pateman is a likable guy even if you don't like how he makes his money. For the record, despite my personal opinion, I was very nice during this interview, in fact, I barely had to open my mouth...Graeme just kept talking. So much so that I had to break this interview into multiple parts. I have not cut out or changed any of his or my words, but I have inserted topical footage from my time.

Graeme is correct when he says makos, black tip whalers, etc. are not protected in Western Australia (the full list of protected fish can be seen here). All species of hammerhead sharks are listed as either endangered or vulnerable on the IUCN red list, but that is not the same as being protected in state or federal waters, which they are neither in WA.

Part 1 primarily caused me to think about the press releases prior to the cull in which the Government said they were taking careful measures to make sure the mitigation was carried out in as humane and professional manner as possible. That just doesn't seem to be the case, nor does it seem to be financially efficient as you'll see in part 2.

Part 2, among other topics, discusses the payment of the cull contractor. The press released the number $5705, based upon the estimated total amount to be spent on the contractor in the south alone over the trial period. Graeme told me $5000 per day in the interview. When I double checked on that he explained that it was actually $5500, however, this number subtracts Goods and Service Tax. Calculate the total however you feel comfortable, but I usually don't get to claim that my income is less than it is because of taxes. One young deck hand, fuel for two runs a day, and bait ( which was not always changed as I witnessed with my own eyes ) seems like rather minimal expenses. So, debate all you want whether his profit range was $4,000 a day, $5,000 a day, or somewhere in-between, whichever total you come to is an obscene amount of money.

Something else I can't shake from this interview is the fact that it was a trial run during a period of time that white sharks are known to not frequent the ares. Simultaneously the WA Government stated they wanted the drum lines in the water as soon as possible for public safety. So was it for public safety or was it to conduct a trial run?

Perhaps the most common theme throughout all my interviews with pro-cullers across Australia was the phrase "something had to be done" and the government was "doing what it could to increase human beach safety". Delivered by itself, the phrase "doing what we can to increase human safety" sounds great. The problem is the evident lack of understanding or rationale when you ask these people to explain what the cull is, how it works, how it makes the beaches safer, and why they feel safer with drum lines in the water. While actual rationale was missing from these explanations the conversations also had something else in common; the words "feeling better". So, animals were killed to for a placebo effect...what was actually accomplished was a calming of fear buzzing in the brains. Whether you love sharks or hate sharks, perhaps the first step is realizing this is a battle with ourselves rather than a battle with the sharks before we can even touch the topic of whether it is right to kill other animals in their own homes.

Well done; these guys did a nice bit of editing, I'll give 'em that much, enough that I am not 100% it's fake, but here's the evidence I think it is. I used to work for a tourist company filming at the Farallon Islands and I quickly had to learn how to blend in my footage from South Africa to match with the murky waters of the Farallones so it appeared as though these tourists enjoyed spotting great white sharks from their view in the cage (all for their souvenir DVDs) Yes, I'm saying I have faked footage and yes I'm saying that 95% of the time you DO NOT see white sharks on cage-diving trips to the Farallones so consider yourselves warned before you shell out the $900. Anyway, heres' why I think this video is fake.

Visibility: How deep is this harbor? I can't see the bottom in any shot, nor can I see the rocks of the cliffs even when he's getting out. I know it's a steep ledge so I can buy that it gets deep quickly, but if the water is clear enough to see the shark at a distance and even beyond the shark, why can't I see even a hint of a rock or ledge anywhere underwater, even when he's getting out? Maybe because the footage is from a cage-diving trip out in the open ocean...

Scripting error: Why is be being high-fived and called a hero before he even gets in, then later a guy shouts "Shark!" as though it is an unexpected encounter? Is all the hype just about the medium high jump?

Timing: Immediately after the jumper surfaces his buddy has spotted the shark and the videographer just manages to get a clear shot of his buddy pointing. A little convenient. The shark comes into frame right after as well. Convenient again. He swims for a bit, then turns around and the shark comes into frame again right on queue. Again, too convenient.

Swimming: Why isn't he making any progress toward the rock as his arms are shown to be swimming (the first round of swimming?) Maybe so he can turn around for one more good shot, at which time the shark kindly shows up on queue as stated above?

Oh, and I guess the fact that two different sharks were used in the spliced footage is pretty good proof. Check out the video below.

By the way, I'm releasing footage of myself "fending off a white shark" to the networks next week to prove that journalists will publish anything shark related without investigating it.

A sandbar shark cruises through an underwater rainfall of death...These dead animals were dumped overboard by a shrimping vessel while I was scuba diving last summer in the Bahamas. Among the animals kept on board the shrimping vessel so no one would see them were turtles, dolphins and sharks. Shrimp bycatch ratio estimates range from 3:1 to 15:1, the first number being the non targeted animals (bycatch) and 1 being the shrimp. I must admit I enjoyed eating shrimp, but having the dead bodies of animals fall on me that were caught so you and I can enjoy an "all you can eat buffet" of shrimp made the statistics a reality. Change starts with an individual choice. That individual's choice affects others. Soon an individual turns into thousands. That multiplication leads to economic pressure on an industry and that pressure leads to change. Live every day as an example of what can be done for change.

What if shark scientists went to Durban and in unity publicly denounced the Kwazu Natal Sharks Board for the sham that it is instead of participating in the massive shark conference (over 300 scientists) which is ironically being hosted by the largest known commercial killer of white sharks on the planet?What if these scientists went even further and told the world on camera to boycott Durban as a tourist destination? After all, tourism $$ is the reason behind the nets, so what if we flipped that around and made tourism $$ the reason to take the nets out?Quite often people are unaware of the atrocities committed right next to them, which is the very reason that raising awareness is important. Slowly but surely, the world is waking up, and while some will proceed business as usual, there are those who will make choices that reflect the impact of their new knowledge. A couple of quick examples; the shark cull in Western Australia has caused some would-be cash spenders to choose to vacation elsewhere. In my town of San Francisco, people who once assumed shark fin products were already outlawed, now ask restaurant owners if shark is on the menu and choose to go elsewhere if it is. It is not the responsibility of scientists to be conservationists. However, they are in a unique position to be heard. What if, in some television-style drama all these scientists looked the cameras and the audience members in the eye and said "No more. I am here to tell you that the Natal Sharks Board is a sham and is a crime against the ecosystem. I may lose my job, but at least you know. Then the next scientist scraps his carefully prepared speech and in turn also denounces the shark slaughter conducted by their very hosts? What if? It's nice to think about. It won't happen. But if it did, would it even work? What do you think?Below, Michael "The Sharkman" Rutzen discusses The Natal Sharks Board with Skyler Thomas from White Shark Video.