We must Unite! - Atheist Nexus2016-12-10T02:17:50Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/we-must-unite?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A808847&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou're right, the world has g…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8119252010-05-02T21:06:29.122ZCynical Soldierhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Adiel
You're right, the world has gone positively mad. As a matter of fact, it's BEEN positively mad for quite a while. But as someone once said, "Herding atheists is like herding cats." There are atheists of every political leaning, walk of life, line of thought and so on. Atheists are far too diverse to become anything close to a political party, and there is no dogma to atheism (even though some like to say there is). Hell, even Buddhists are atheists! The only thing atheism means is a disbelief…
You're right, the world has gone positively mad. As a matter of fact, it's BEEN positively mad for quite a while. But as someone once said, "Herding atheists is like herding cats." There are atheists of every political leaning, walk of life, line of thought and so on. Atheists are far too diverse to become anything close to a political party, and there is no dogma to atheism (even though some like to say there is). Hell, even Buddhists are atheists! The only thing atheism means is a disbelief in a deity or deities, nothing more. Atheists can no more unite than people of a country, culture or religion. Sure, a country might claim to be united, but look at the US! It's the Divided States of America, despite what any politician wants to to think. Your passion is admirable, but any union between atheists would be superficial at best. OK, Rayray, I'll take you at…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8119032010-05-02T20:46:39.129ZJason Spicerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JasonSpicer
OK, Rayray, I'll take you at your word that you look under every rock for info about the candidates; that's commendable. And I agree that the influence of lobbyists on both major parties is frustrating and dangerous to our democracy. Both parties are too close to unelected powerful people with no particular interest in the well-being of the US body politic.<br />
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On the other hand, if you give any credence whatsoever to the propaganda from Fox, you're making a mistake. That shit is not information.…
OK, Rayray, I'll take you at your word that you look under every rock for info about the candidates; that's commendable. And I agree that the influence of lobbyists on both major parties is frustrating and dangerous to our democracy. Both parties are too close to unelected powerful people with no particular interest in the well-being of the US body politic.<br />
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On the other hand, if you give any credence whatsoever to the propaganda from Fox, you're making a mistake. That shit is not information. It is indeed Kool-Aid. I don't think you are taking it as gospel, but you are imbibing it. Furthermore, the libertarian ideology is unworkable in practice. We live in a large, complex, highly interconnected society. Libertarianism, at best, functions at an agrarian level of economic development, but even there, it simply devolves into feudalism.<br />
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It is aggravating that we seem to have merely progressed from owing fealty to feudal warlords to owing fealty to corporate warlords. But democracy is still the only game in town for those who believe in self-government. It is far from perfect, and the US is in dangerous waters, but I see no preferable alternative to democracy. Every other option is much, much worse, as has been more than adequately demonstrated throughout history. Frustrating as it is, all we can do is continue to work to improve our system from within. I agree, we must take a stand…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8115402010-05-02T13:22:37.643ZRayhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Di_Usurpator
I agree, we must take a stand. Intellectual dishonesty cannot and should not be tolerated.
I agree, we must take a stand. Intellectual dishonesty cannot and should not be tolerated. Chrys: I'm with you on that.tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8115332010-05-02T12:56:08.837ZRayrayhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ray1976
Chrys: I'm with you on that.
Chrys: I'm with you on that. Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8114562010-05-02T09:45:40.894ZTarquin St John Sh'gn'styhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenDonnellan
Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at home and worry about semantics while the rest of us work to try to make the world a better place. Have fun.<br />
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A cheap ad hominem,which surprise me not at all given depth of your argument.<br />
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I think I'll stop here lest I make some unkind but warranted comments about your intellect,education and breeding.
Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at home and worry about semantics while the rest of us work to try to make the world a better place. Have fun.<br />
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A cheap ad hominem,which surprise me not at all given depth of your argument.<br />
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I think I'll stop here lest I make some unkind but warranted comments about your intellect,education and breeding. Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8114392010-05-02T08:26:36.336ZChrys Stevensonhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/KristyVensson
Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at home and worry about semantics while the rest of us work to try to make the world a better place. Have fun.
Whatever, Tarquin. You sit at home and worry about semantics while the rest of us work to try to make the world a better place. Have fun. Name one issue on which any g…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8114362010-05-02T08:07:26.380ZTarquin St John Sh'gn'styhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenDonnellan
Name one issue on which any group of people agree unanimousl<br />
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Straw man<br />
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"Atheists, more often than not, agree on the separation of church and state, freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion, secular state education, tax-exemptions for religious institutions being confined to those income streams which benefit the wider community, and political policy based on evidence and reason rather than religious dogma. Those issues alone provide more than sufficient areas of broad agreement to…
Name one issue on which any group of people agree unanimousl<br />
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Straw man<br />
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"Atheists, more often than not, agree on the separation of church and state, freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion, secular state education, tax-exemptions for religious institutions being confined to those income streams which benefit the wider community, and political policy based on evidence and reason rather than religious dogma. Those issues alone provide more than sufficient areas of broad agreement to support a lobby group."<br />
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People may believe in the things you a claim, AND be atheist. However, I'm aware of no evidence that anyone believes such things BECAUSE they are atheist.<br />
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Atheism is an effect,not a cause,it is only a disbelief in god. It is not a political ideology,an economic theory, moral/ethical code or a social club.<br />
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I happen to agree with all of the issues your cited. That's because I'm a sceptic and secular humanist not because of my atheism---My atheism is a result of my sceptical humanism,not its cause. I do not recognise any atheist position on any issue besides the existence of god(s) Man, all politicians at this…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-02:2182797:Comment:8114042010-05-02T06:04:35.147ZRayrayhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ray1976
Man, all politicians at this point disgust me. Seriously. It seems like the objective of any party is not the will of the country, but what is best for their agenda. Their agenda being to get reelected. Believe me when I say I pay no attention to the party. I relate most to the libertarian party the most right now, but even they have many many flaws. I honestly listen to each and every candidate and give them all a chance at my vote but reluctantly have been voting for my choice. I don't really…
Man, all politicians at this point disgust me. Seriously. It seems like the objective of any party is not the will of the country, but what is best for their agenda. Their agenda being to get reelected. Believe me when I say I pay no attention to the party. I relate most to the libertarian party the most right now, but even they have many many flaws. I honestly listen to each and every candidate and give them all a chance at my vote but reluctantly have been voting for my choice. I don't really like any of them. I'm thinking recently that our system is failing us. I have always been the write my congressman/representative/speaker of the house/ president type (if you want contact info, I will gladly provide) but my secular stance is only a part of my personal agenda. This is why I still hold out hope for this country being great, we still have freedoms that other countries do not. If you want to know how I think this country should be run, I will gladly let you know. It doesn't follow in line with any, ANY political party. I really hope you can trust me when I say I don't follow political parties and I don't fly blind at the same time, I subscribe to every one of their newsletters, listen to everything that they have to say, am a member of the republican as well as the democratic party and go to the local meetings, watch CNN, FOX, my local member supported news source (GPB) and everything in between. I am a drinker of NO Koolaide! I vote on the person, not the party. If you don't believe me... oh well. Rayray, I find it extremely d…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-01:2182797:Comment:8111412010-05-01T23:57:37.608ZJason Spicerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JasonSpicer
Rayray, I find it extremely difficult to believe you pay no attention to what party the candidate belongs to. You know perfectly well that Republicans are far more likely to hide behind a flag-draped Bible than Democrats are. And how do you go about determining the candidate's values? That's almost impossible even with a party affiliation, but without it, you're really flying blind.
Rayray, I find it extremely difficult to believe you pay no attention to what party the candidate belongs to. You know perfectly well that Republicans are far more likely to hide behind a flag-draped Bible than Democrats are. And how do you go about determining the candidate's values? That's almost impossible even with a party affiliation, but without it, you're really flying blind. A vote for God is only a smal…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-01:2182797:Comment:8110952010-05-01T23:17:19.940ZRayrayhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ray1976
A vote for God is only a small part of the equation. I pay no attention to what party the person belongs to. What values does he hold? What do we need as a whole right now and for the long term? These are the questions I ask before voting.
A vote for God is only a small part of the equation. I pay no attention to what party the person belongs to. What values does he hold? What do we need as a whole right now and for the long term? These are the questions I ask before voting.