I just hope statists do not end with the same motto as theists. My god, right or wrong.

RegardsDL

I do believe I've ever only once came across an actual church that actually calls it their god. In a roundabout way, tho, (them loving the god-given "good life" with money and drink and partying, etc) something like "pretty much anything goes". (Don't ask, seen on TV once, I don't remember the name or where they're at.)

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Once the idea caught on that there was only one God, it displaced a lot of the god making to saint and hero making.

I totally agree.

I like Hercules. He's a demi-god and yet sort of represents a "normal man" in Greek classical literature, through his hedonism and stupidity......but he doesn't argue with the "gods" (plural).

With the introduction of monotheism, I see the first saints, who also represent "mortal man" who argue about interpreting the word of "god" (singular). These same saints could not argue with a polytheistic pantheon of gods, because the message in their writing would make no sense, as the readers would say "Well the other gods wouldn't do that".

It is interesting. Again, I think it simply shows more about standard human psychological behaviour than anything religious.

Gnostic Bishop wrote:Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?

When history becomes assessable, religious frameworks had pantheons of many gods.

If my boat sinks, I blame Poseidon while still leaving devotion gifts to Zeus. It is more like blaming individual family members of the family next door. No one god is ultimately responsible

With the introduction of monotheism, I am now forced to ask the same single god the question. "Why did you logically do that?" I am now forced to think "Well perhaps this one God is not perfect and is a bit irrational"

Here we are in 2016 and the Christian church is still trying to push back to polytheism, "God is a good bloke and so is his fellow god Jesus, but the Devil is a nasty bit of work". The Christian church is still trying to push the blame away from God.

Sooooo........ I don't think we can invent a modern monotheistic god anymore because we would immediately have to accept that new god made irrational decisions and therefore wasn't "perfect". I don't think we can invent any new pantheon of many gods, simply because that would be too silly.

Well done.

If we are talking supernatural gods, I agree.

If we would remember that our original gods were beneath men, then I wold vote for a new Divine Council.

Man has forgotten that the gods were to serve us and not us serve them.

OutOfBreath wrote:We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones. For that matter the notion of god in the monotheistic traditions have had many hard shifts. "God is love" is a very recent phenomena reflecting the times.

Oh and since absolutism is out of vogue, new religious notions tend to teflect that with more grassroots democratic stuff. We call it newage now.

PeaceDan

Since our oligarch owners have bought democracy out from under us, I see the new-age has become garb-age.

psychiatry is a scam wrote:when the roman catholic church took over Europe ; it turned almost everyone into slaves .even thinking about a god was a death sentence . hell , thinking period was a crimewhites are all descendants of 2000 years of mind control.

Yet in the last few centuries, whites have lead the way in innovation, invention and thinking as well as secular liberty in the so called free nations. The West has lead and the West was mostly white.

I just hope statists do not end with the same motto as theists. My god, right or wrong.

RegardsDL

I do believe I've ever only once came across an actual church that actually calls it their god. In a roundabout way, tho, (them loving the god-given "good life" with money and drink and partying, etc) something like "pretty much anything goes". (Don't ask, seen on TV once, I don't remember the name or where they're at.)

Gnostic Bishop wrote:We forgot that god was created to be our slave and not us his.

I dispute "god" or "gods" were created to be our slave.

I take the view that over the last 100,000 years human innate behaviour and some conscious thinking, established a complex frame work of "activities". 80,000 years ago, we were burying flowers with bodies as "equity theory" that spring would bring them back to life. No God was required.

Somewhere along the line, the compelling innate human behaviour to anthropomorphise things, simply gave this framework of different activities a human like characteristic. You can sort of see this as "classes of activities" were first separated into differing concerns for the different pantheistic "gods".

You can also sort of see this, as once the behavioural frameworks were given human characteristics, local communities adopted that character as "their" god, tied to their locality. You can see this best reflected in the reduction of 2,000 different local gods in the Egyptian Old Kingdom to the 8 main gods and lesser gods in the Middle Kingdom as Egypt was politically unified.

Ya I know ~ people do that. If that's what you call them still? They have litters now. I met a girl that had 3 ~ just had another ~ droppedit out 7 months after the last one andgot pregnant with 5 at once a week after that one ~ had to remove them though.not a year latter and she's pregnant again.

OutOfBreath wrote:We never stop inventing gods. Just that modern ones tend to embellish the existing ones. For that matter the notion of god in the monotheistic traditions have had many hard shifts. "God is love" is a very recent phenomena reflecting the times.

Oh and since absolutism is out of vogue, new religious notions tend to teflect that with more grassroots democratic stuff. We call it newage now.

PeaceDan

Since our oligarch owners have bought democracy out from under us, I see the new-age has become garb-age.

RegardsDL

?? How is that relevant when my point is that democratic egalitarian notions are more widespread now and religions and imagrs of god reflects that? I made no point about how good a democracy we currently or anything like that...

Peace Dan

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