Orleron wrote:Note about sereg-superconditioning: The whole race was not super-conditioned during the M'Chek-T'Nanshi War. Only the sereg who fought in that war were superconditioned. When the sereg'wethrin split completely from T'Nanshi and went on their own into the Underdark, the superconditioning ceased to be renewed, and all sereg'wethrin coming of age right now are NOT superconditioned.

mean that this:

Orleron wrote:Sereg'wethrin maintain a strong hatred of humans that is nearly unrestrainable. They see humans as a viral culture that is a threat to all other cultures near them. Unless there are predefined arrangements, they will attack any human on sight.

does not apply?

In other words, are humans no longer K.o.S.? So I don't have to attack the human sitting right outside the start tent?

2.) Also from that same thread:

Orleron wrote:Adventurers: Sereg’wethrin are trained to stay with their unit unless ordered to do otherwise. This makes it unlikely to find a solitary specimen out on its own with no particular mission. On occasion, a sereg’wethrin will break with its conditioning and go out on its own, but these members are hunted down by their units and destroyed.

Does this mean if I play a Sereg adventurer in the Underdark (maintaining a CN or CE alignment) I can expect to be attacked by Sereg units for going "A.W.O.L.?" Or is this covered by the conditioning quote from earlier and no longer applies as well?

3.) What's a Sereg's favored class?

4.) Can they become Arcane Archers?

5.) Do Sereg have a distinctive voice that would identify them as Sereg even with all skin covered (including hands, etc.)?

6.) Are Sereg K.o.S. in Kurathene? I'd imagine this is a moot point if humans are still K.o.S. to Sereg.

Thanks for your patience and spelling things out for me.

And if any eager-beavers want to respond to this before a Team member does, feel free to PM me.

1. They hate humans, but won't die due to prolonged exposure to them.
2. I'm pretty sure you won't get NPC seregs hunting you down in DC, but no promises. 3. I'm not really sure, but I'll find out.
4. Ghost elves can't become AAs, so I don't think seregs can either.
5. No, not as far as I know.
6. Sereg are KOS everywhere, except in DC.

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I will try to answer some of your questions - although some of my answers are really just my interpretation - so others may disagree.

The strong conditioning does not apply anymore - since the War ended - so PC Sereg do not have to attack Humans on sight. You can RP that you don't like them, but having PC Sereg attacking Humans on sight is likely to lead to problems and complaints.

BTW - Vasharan (another option available as a PC in the Dark City) do not count as Humans as far as Sereg are concerned - so they can co-exist in the Dark City. Of course, the Sereg might not exactly count them as friends, but they are not KoS.

Now that the War is over, I think the Sereg who remain are more or less redundant - a bit like highly trained Special Forces in Peacetime. I imagine that a few are likely to have 'wandered off' - in other words, you can have a PC Sereg and not have others hunt them down as Deserters.

Not sure about favoured class. They are basically Elves - so probably Wizard is favoured. As for most logical choices - probably Wizards, Rogues, Fighters or Barbarians would seem good choices. They are normally CE, so Druids or Monks are probably not likely. Sorcerors would probably be limited as they tend to have low Charisma, which probably limits Bards as well.

As for Arcane Archers - I don't know. Avariel cannot AFAIK, but I am not sure about Drangonari and Ghost Elves. Maybe someone else can confirm that either way please? Edit: It would appear not.

I don't see why their voices should give them away. I imagine them being fairly crazy in their personality, which might set them apart from Avlissian Elves. They would need to be well covered up, but the same applies to Drangonari, so that should not be impossible.

I have no idea how they would be treated in Kurathene. Remember they would have to find their way out of the Underdark first........ Edit: They are KoS everywhere except in the Dark City, so the answer would be yes.

Hope that helps - and that I am not leading anyone astray through inaccuracy.

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Orleron wrote:Note about sereg-superconditioning: The whole race was not super-conditioned during the M'Chek-T'Nanshi War. Only the sereg who fought in that war were superconditioned. When the sereg'wethrin split completely from T'Nanshi and went on their own into the Underdark, the superconditioning ceased to be renewed, and all sereg'wethrin coming of age right now are NOT superconditioned.

mean that this:

Orleron wrote:Sereg'wethrin maintain a strong hatred of humans that is nearly unrestrainable. They see humans as a viral culture that is a threat to all other cultures near them. Unless there are predefined arrangements, they will attack any human on sight.

does not apply?

In other words, are humans no longer K.o.S.? So I don't have to attack the human sitting right outside the start tent?

2.) Also from that same thread:

Orleron wrote:Adventurers: Sereg’wethrin are trained to stay with their unit unless ordered to do otherwise. This makes it unlikely to find a solitary specimen out on its own with no particular mission. On occasion, a sereg’wethrin will break with its conditioning and go out on its own, but these members are hunted down by their units and destroyed.

Does this mean if I play a Sereg adventurer in the Underdark (maintaining a CN or CE alignment) I can expect to be attacked by Sereg units for going "A.W.O.L.?" Or is this covered by the conditioning quote from earlier and no longer applies as well?

3.) What's a Sereg's favored class?

4.) Can they become Arcane Archers?

5.) Do Sereg have a distinctive voice that would identify them as Sereg even with all skin covered (including hands, etc.)?

6.) Are Sereg K.o.S. in Kurathene? I'd imagine this is a moot point if humans are still K.o.S. to Sereg.

Thanks for your patience and spelling things out for me.

And if any eager-beavers want to respond to this before a Team member does, feel free to PM me.

1) You're right. Sereg still absolutely hate Humans (they have favoured enemy:humans as a racial trait)... but they have enough control now to not just KOS them.

2) two things: a) they are no longer super conditioned so it's moot,
b) this would be very hard to enforce.. but see a.. it's moot

3) Umm I'm not entirely sure myself... I'd say anything that requires dex is a good class for sereg (rogue, ranger,etc) I'd say in my edumicated guesstimate that Ranger would likely be their favoured class.

4) Edit: As moredo said ghost elves don't get it, I think it requires elf or half-elf in the race field unfortunately.

5) I'd say, no. Although I think they are the only elven race in the underdark (could be wrong) so I don't think they'd be anymore differential than an elven voice.. well except that it might be a more tortured soul type of elven voice.

6) Yes and no?? In Kuras it's likely they've heard of them but have never actually encountered a Sereg so they not K.O.S.. as far as I know no sereg has gone to the Kurathene before and I would hope no Sereg would ever goto the Kurathene (unless they were part of an invasion force). Many of the fief lords however have encountered Sereg (myself included) and that would make them K.O.S in that respective fief.. it's really up the fief lords.

And what IC explanation is there for human visitors to Dark City not getting attacked my the Sereg down there?

Sereg "superconditioning" relied on the perception of the individual Sereg, so, they wouldn't know. I expect that the assumption will be made in DC that any human-looking person is Adomkuro (note: Vasharan is now a retired term - intellectual property issue I think). Either way, all PC sereg should hate humans but can still tolerate them without dying or feeling compelled to kill them. NPC Sereg could go either way, so humans rolled in DC should consider this. Humans visiting from the Overlight will have to go with what they ICly know.

spool32 wrote:Adomkuro (note: Vasharan is now a retired term - intellectual property issue I think).

Is Adomkuro merely the official term in the sourcebook, but Vasharan is still used in game? Or should we be phasing out use of the term Vasharan in game? (Incidentally, a bunch of items one can purchase in the underdark are called Vasharan this and that, rather than Adomkuro.)

Thanks for the info. Another question, also from the thread mentioned up top:

Orleron wrote:Alignment : Sereg'wethrin eptimize the chaotic nature of their elven heritage. They tend toward neither good nor evil, maintaining and air of irrelevence towards most events. This is true unless you are speaking with a Human. Sereg'wethrin most certainly have an evil tendency with Humans in general.

(emphasis mine).

VS.

Orleron wrote:Alignment: Sereg'wethrin epitomize the chaotic nature of their elven heritage. They tend towards evil, because they pursue their goals without thought to the wider effects.

spool32 wrote:Adomkuro (note: Vasharan is now a retired term - intellectual property issue I think).

Is Adomkuro merely the official term in the sourcebook, but Vasharan is still used in game? Or should we be phasing out use of the term Vasharan in game? (Incidentally, a bunch of items one can purchase in the underdark are called Vasharan this and that, rather than Adomkuro.)

I think the term will be getting phased out ingame, too. Orl uses the term Adomkuro on the team forums, so I expect the Team will all come to use it sooner or later. Better if we get the ball rolling now. Go ahead and submit Vasharan / Adomkuro bugs in conversation and descriptions, we'll get to them as time (and a downturn in more serious bugs) permits.

As always, anyone is welcome to submit a subcontractor app request and help us out with these!

-spool32

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I would not worry about losing your character. Avlis does not purge it's character's vault. If push came to shove (due to copyright) I suspect those that had the Vasharan name would be changed by the Team to Adomkuro. Worst case scenario would be a rebuild (where a DM transfers the items, gold, XP, and crafting XP to a remade corrected character).

However, Avlis is using both terms interchangably. Due to copyright, it can't be added to the Avlis source materals. If something needs to be done to PC's in the future, the Team will surely make an announcement.

ok, it was said that serege have black hair and black skin. I made mine that way but my skin looks more like...dark grey than black. Do sereg have to have PITCH black skin? or does the there skin have variation, such a humans have white-red-dark, sereg have greyish, light-black-pitch black?

weeno wrote:ok, it was said that serege have black hair and black skin. I made mine that way but my skin looks more like...dark grey than black. Do sereg have to have PITCH black skin? or does the there skin have variation, such a humans have white-red-dark, sereg have greyish, light-black-pitch black?

You could make him purple with green hair, wouldn't matter.. the character generator enforces a specific skin-hair combination when you choose the Sereg subrace.

Q) With superconditioning being what it is ("Kill all humans because they are a threat to other cultures around them"), would the Sereg'wethrin be so quick to follow a Demon-God who out-and-out desires the death of every living thing on the planet?

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