Re: [Gramps-devel] Relationship calc and "not related" report

Hi,
I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have observed that
it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this is a bug
or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related". That would
explain about your stepmother, too.
I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are a few
references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to include
non-blood relatives?
Joan
On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...> wrote:
> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool
> does.
>
> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
> few.)
>
> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
> back to you.
>
> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
>
> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
>
>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
>>
>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does not
>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
>
> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
> why not step-links? Etc...
>
>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
>
> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
> to do something slightly different.
>
>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
>
> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
> relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
> relationship actually exists in the database.
>
> Stéphane
>
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Hi All,
I've seen a behavior that I'm not sure if it's classed as a bug. I don't
want to enter it as bug till someone confirms it's not intended behavior.
I set up a simple family tree, where I have a step mother.
I use Tools->Utilities->RelationShip Calculator (with myself as home person)
My "step mother" is not related to me.
I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does not
come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
I put another totally unconnected to my tree person and they show up as
"not related" in both tools.
I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
StepMother, .. or if she was my fathers previous wife, ... or someone my
father married years after I let the home, .. or maybe I was the result
of a extra marital affair.
Should I enter this as a bug, or is it just too curly of a problem to
know what to do.
(I've seen the same behavior on trunk, gramps30 and gramps3.0.3-1)
Steve

As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool does.
Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
few.)
Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
back to you.
(Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
wife's parents are in no way related to you.
> My "step mother" is not related to me.
>
> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does not
> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
"step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
why not step-links? Etc...
> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
to do something slightly different.
> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
relationship actually exists in the database.
Stéphane

Hi,
I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have observed that
it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this is a bug
or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related". That would
explain about your stepmother, too.
I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are a few
references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to include
non-blood relatives?
Joan
On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...> wrote:
> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool
> does.
>
> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
> few.)
>
> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
> back to you.
>
> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
>
> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
>
>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
>>
>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does not
>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
>
> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
> why not step-links? Etc...
>
>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
>
> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
> to do something slightly different.
>
>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
>
> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
> relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
> relationship actually exists in the database.
>
> Stéphane
>
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Hi Joan & Stephane
Thankyou for the explanations, I will not be filing a bug.
However I did learn more.
In the example I described (fictional for simplification) I added myself
as a child to my fathers second family (the one with the step mum) and
indicated my relationship with her was as a stepchild, while I still
remaining a member of the first family.
Now relationship calculator works fine.
In the real world it was my Grandfather who had a step mother. I
entered him as a child of the second family.
Now he is a member of two families (birth father & birth mother) &
(birth father and step mother)
I used the relationship calculator to see my relationship with my
grandfather's stepmother
Relationship calculator showed that.
DEMPSTER, Annie is the great stepgrandmother of ME!!!
It works !!
The result is in narrativeWeb my grandfather belongs to two families.
============ PARENTS =========
Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
Mother PRATT, Margaret (Birth)
Siblings
1. GRAY, Catherine
2. GRAY, Robert
3. GRAY, Gordon
Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
Mother DEMPSTER, Annie (Stepchild)
Siblings
1. GRAY, Catherine
2. GRAY, Robert
3. GRAY, Gordon
I don't know if the step mother having the relationship (StepChild)
after her name is correct.
The pedigree works fine, it follows the direct blood line.
Steve
> Hi,
>
> I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have observed that
> it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this is a bug
> or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
>
> For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related". That would
> explain about your stepmother, too.
>
> I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are a few
> references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to include
> non-blood relatives?
>
> Joan
>
>
> On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...> wrote:
>
>> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool
>> does.
>>
>> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
>> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
>> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
>> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
>> few.)
>>
>> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
>> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
>> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
>> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
>> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
>> back to you.
>>
>> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
>>
>> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
>> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
>>
>>
>>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
>>>
>>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does not
>>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
>>>
>> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
>> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
>> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
>> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
>> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
>> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
>> why not step-links? Etc...
>>
>>
>>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
>>>
>> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
>> to do something slightly different.
>>
>>
>>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
>>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
>>>
>> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
>> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
>> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
>> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
>> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
>> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
>> relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
>> relationship actually exists in the database.
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
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>
>
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Yes, step relations and inlaws was added in version 3.0.x
It only shows however if there is a relation in a family. Note that for the
first level of relation, halfbrothers and halfsisters are also recognized.
In-laws does not show everywhere. It is computationally very intensive and
is therefore limited to where it is actually used.
Benny
2008/10/29 steve george <steve_geo@...>
> Hi Joan & Stephane
>
> Thankyou for the explanations, I will not be filing a bug.
>
> However I did learn more.
>
> In the example I described (fictional for simplification) I added myself
> as a child to my fathers second family (the one with the step mum) and
> indicated my relationship with her was as a stepchild, while I still
> remaining a member of the first family.
>
> Now relationship calculator works fine.
>
> In the real world it was my Grandfather who had a step mother. I
> entered him as a child of the second family.
> Now he is a member of two families (birth father & birth mother) &
> (birth father and step mother)
>
> I used the relationship calculator to see my relationship with my
> grandfather's stepmother
> Relationship calculator showed that.
>
> DEMPSTER, Annie is the great stepgrandmother of ME!!!
>
> It works !!
>
> The result is in narrativeWeb my grandfather belongs to two families.
>
> ============ PARENTS =========
> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
> Mother PRATT, Margaret (Birth)
> Siblings
>
> 1. GRAY, Catherine
> 2. GRAY, Robert
> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>
>
> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
> Mother DEMPSTER, Annie (Stepchild)
> Siblings
>
> 1. GRAY, Catherine
> 2. GRAY, Robert
> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>
> I don't know if the step mother having the relationship (StepChild)
> after her name is correct.
>
> The pedigree works fine, it follows the direct blood line.
>
> Steve
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have observed that
> > it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this is a bug
> > or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
> >
> > For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related". That would
> > explain about your stepmother, too.
> >
> > I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are a few
> > references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to include
> > non-blood relatives?
> >
> > Joan
> >
> >
> > On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...> wrote:
> >
> >> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool
> >> does.
> >>
> >> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
> >> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
> >> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
> >> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
> >> few.)
> >>
> >> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
> >> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
> >> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
> >> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
> >> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
> >> back to you.
> >>
> >> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
> >>
> >> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
> >> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
> >>
> >>
> >>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
> >>>
> >>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does
> not
> >>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
> >>>
> >> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
> >> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
> >> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
> >> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
> >> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
> >> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
> >> why not step-links? Etc...
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
> >>>
> >> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
> >> to do something slightly different.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
> >>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
> >>>
> >> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
> >> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
> >> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
> >> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
> >> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
> >> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
> >> relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
> >> relationship actually exists in the database.
> >>
> >> Stéphane
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Sorry, but inlaws doesn't work for me, and I have tried both English and
French, where the code actually contains the right strings for in-laws (some
other languages don't). My wife is reported as "not related" to any of my
brothers or parents (but I'm recognized as the husband, so the link is
there). Should this qualify as a bug, then?
Joan
2008/10/29 Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
> Yes, step relations and inlaws was added in version 3.0.x
> It only shows however if there is a relation in a family. Note that for the
> first level of relation, halfbrothers and halfsisters are also recognized.
> In-laws does not show everywhere. It is computationally very intensive and
> is therefore limited to where it is actually used.
>
> Benny
>
> 2008/10/29 steve george <steve_geo@...>
>
> Hi Joan & Stephane
>>
>> Thankyou for the explanations, I will not be filing a bug.
>>
>> However I did learn more.
>>
>> In the example I described (fictional for simplification) I added myself
>> as a child to my fathers second family (the one with the step mum) and
>> indicated my relationship with her was as a stepchild, while I still
>> remaining a member of the first family.
>>
>> Now relationship calculator works fine.
>>
>> In the real world it was my Grandfather who had a step mother. I
>> entered him as a child of the second family.
>> Now he is a member of two families (birth father & birth mother) &
>> (birth father and step mother)
>>
>> I used the relationship calculator to see my relationship with my
>> grandfather's stepmother
>> Relationship calculator showed that.
>>
>> DEMPSTER, Annie is the great stepgrandmother of ME!!!
>>
>> It works !!
>>
>> The result is in narrativeWeb my grandfather belongs to two families.
>>
>> ============ PARENTS =========
>> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
>> Mother PRATT, Margaret (Birth)
>> Siblings
>>
>> 1. GRAY, Catherine
>> 2. GRAY, Robert
>> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>>
>>
>> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
>> Mother DEMPSTER, Annie (Stepchild)
>> Siblings
>>
>> 1. GRAY, Catherine
>> 2. GRAY, Robert
>> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>>
>> I don't know if the step mother having the relationship (StepChild)
>> after her name is correct.
>>
>> The pedigree works fine, it follows the direct blood line.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have observed that
>> > it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this is a bug
>> > or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
>> >
>> > For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related". That would
>> > explain about your stepmother, too.
>> >
>> > I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are a few
>> > references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to include
>> > non-blood relatives?
>> >
>> > Joan
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining what that tool
>> >> does.
>> >>
>> >> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people to ensure
>> >> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I was trying
>> >> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
>> >> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns out I had a
>> >> few.)
>> >>
>> >> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy database, some of
>> >> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of extended
>> >> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the database, and
>> >> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not Related"
>> >> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link from them
>> >> back to you.
>> >>
>> >> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
>> >>
>> >> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your cousin's
>> >> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
>> >>>
>> >>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My "StepMother" does
>> not
>> >>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
>> >>>
>> >> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand how they're
>> >> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether or not
>> >> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator is up for
>> >> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the calculator
>> >> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood links? Does it
>> >> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive links, then
>> >> why not step-links? Etc...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
>> >>>
>> >> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools are trying
>> >> to do something slightly different.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either tool can
>> >>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
>> >>>
>> >> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as complicated as
>> >> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links between all
>> >> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does something
>> >> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither of these
>> >> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match up which
>> >> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
>> >> relationship should exist between a parent and a child, ensure that
>> >> relationship actually exists in the database.
>> >>
>> >> Stéphane
>> >>
>> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's
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>> >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great
>> >> prizes
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>> world
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>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Gramps-devel mailing list
>> >> Gramps-devel@...
>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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I planned to change something who still disturb me on rel_fr.py ...
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2380
* I need to invert process for displaying correct value with sib_type ==
self.HALF_SIB_(parent side)
* cannot display "parent of spouse" (Gb = 0, Ga = 1, inlaw)
need to use "self.STEP_SIB" for "other spouse of parent" (cannot display
both - wording is correct by double meaning "beau-parent" !!!)
Joan Creus a écrit :
> Sorry, but inlaws doesn't work for me, and I have tried both English and
> French, where the code actually contains the right strings for in-laws
> (some other languages don't). My wife is reported as "not related" to
> any of my brothers or parents (but I'm recognized as the husband, so the
> link is there). Should this qualify as a bug, then?
>
> Joan
>
> 2008/10/29 Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...
> <mailto:benny.malengier@...>>
>
> Yes, step relations and inlaws was added in version 3.0.x
> It only shows however if there is a relation in a family. Note that
> for the first level of relation, halfbrothers and halfsisters are
> also recognized.
> In-laws does not show everywhere. It is computationally very
> intensive and is therefore limited to where it is actually used.
>
> Benny
>
> 2008/10/29 steve george <steve_geo@...
> <mailto:steve_geo@...>>
>
> Hi Joan & Stephane
>
> Thankyou for the explanations, I will not be filing a bug.
>
> However I did learn more.
>
> In the example I described (fictional for simplification) I
> added myself
> as a child to my fathers second family (the one with the step
> mum) and
> indicated my relationship with her was as a stepchild, while I still
> remaining a member of the first family.
>
> Now relationship calculator works fine.
>
> In the real world it was my Grandfather who had a step mother. I
> entered him as a child of the second family.
> Now he is a member of two families (birth father & birth mother) &
> (birth father and step mother)
>
> I used the relationship calculator to see my relationship with my
> grandfather's stepmother
> Relationship calculator showed that.
>
> DEMPSTER, Annie is the great stepgrandmother of ME!!!
>
> It works !!
>
> The result is in narrativeWeb my grandfather belongs to two
> families.
>
> ============ PARENTS =========
> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
> Mother PRATT, Margaret (Birth)
> Siblings
>
> 1. GRAY, Catherine
> 2. GRAY, Robert
> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>
>
> Father GRAY, Robert (Birth)
> Mother DEMPSTER, Annie (Stepchild)
> Siblings
>
> 1. GRAY, Catherine
> 2. GRAY, Robert
> 3. GRAY, Gordon
>
> I don't know if the step mother having the relationship (StepChild)
> after her name is correct.
>
> The pedigree works fine, it follows the direct blood line.
>
> Steve
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am translating the Relationship Calculator, and I have
> observed that
> > it is limited to blood relations. I don't know whether this
> is a bug
> > or a feature, because some of the help strings mention that.
> >
> > For instance, my aunt's husband shows up as "not related".
> That would
> > explain about your stepmother, too.
> >
> > I still haven't figured out how the code works, but there are
> a few
> > references to "inlaw", so perhaps there was any attempt to
> include
> > non-blood relatives?
> >
> > Joan
> >
> >
> > On 10/29/08, Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...
> <mailto:stephanecharette@...>> wrote:
> >
> >> As the author of "Not Related", I'll start by explaining
> what that tool
> >> does.
> >>
> >> Basically -- it follows *every* possible link between people
> to ensure
> >> that everyone in your tree actually belongs there. What I
> was trying
> >> to do at the time was to find anyone in the database that I had
> >> forgotten to "link" back to my family tree. (And it turns
> out I had a
> >> few.)
> >>
> >> Depending on who/what/where you build your genealogy
> database, some of
> >> those people will be...hmmm...call it "the big circle of
> extended
> >> family". So if you happen to have your cousin in the
> database, and
> >> your cousin's wife, and her parents, that is fine. The "Not
> Related"
> >> tool wont report any problems, since there exists a link
> from them
> >> back to you.
> >>
> >> (Yes, that link is tenuous, but it does exist.)
> >>
> >> The relationship calculator doesn't see such a link. Your
> cousin's
> >> wife's parents are in no way related to you.
> >>
> >>
> >>> My "step mother" is not related to me.
> >>>
> >>> I then use tool Reports->View->Not Related. .. My
> "StepMother" does not
> >>> come up in that report, so she is related to me ??
> >>>
> >> With your cousin's wife's parents, it was easy understand
> how they're
> >> not strictly related to you. Now for your example, whether
> or not
> >> "step mother" should show up in the relationship calculator
> is up for
> >> debate. Maybe step-family was simply overlooked when the
> calculator
> >> was written? Maybe the calculator only looks at blood
> links? Does it
> >> also look at adoptive links and half links? If adoptive
> links, then
> >> why not step-links? Etc...
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think one of the tools is wrong, but not sure which one.
> >>>
> >> Not necessarily wrong. Instead, I would say the two tools
> are trying
> >> to do something slightly different.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Unless the "tool" uses date ranges I don't know if either
> tool can
> >>> qualify if a woman who marries my father (not my mother) is my
> >>>
> >> I can tell you the "Not Related" tool does nothing as
> complicated as
> >> that. It simply walks the tree to discover all links
> between all
> >> people. I'm going to guess the relationship calculator does
> something
> >> similar, but with a subset of the possible links. Neither
> of these
> >> tools is doing stuff with date comparisons to try and match
> up which
> >> people are possible parents to which children. If you think a
> >> relationship should exist between a parent and a child,
> ensure that
> >> relationship actually exists in the database.
> >>
> >> Stéphane
> >>
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2008/10/29 Joan Creus <joan.creus@...>
> Sorry, but inlaws doesn't work for me, and I have tried both English and
> French, where the code actually contains the right strings for in-laws (some
> other languages don't). My wife is reported as "not related" to any of my
> brothers or parents (but I'm recognized as the husband, so the link is
> there). Should this qualify as a bug, then?
>
No, as said, in-law calculation is expensive, and is not activated
everywhere. A quick check here shows relationship calculator does not run
it, but the quick report: Relation to home person, does it. Quick report is
in the context menu in the people view, and in the context menu on the top
of the person editor. So you might arrive on a person editor window, and
with this quick report quickly check the relation to the home person.
Benny

Oh, I see it now. I didn't even know this report existed. Thanks,
Joan
2008/10/29 Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
>
>
> 2008/10/29 Joan Creus <joan.creus@...>
>
>> Sorry, but inlaws doesn't work for me, and I have tried both English and
>> French, where the code actually contains the right strings for in-laws (some
>> other languages don't). My wife is reported as "not related" to any of my
>> brothers or parents (but I'm recognized as the husband, so the link is
>> there). Should this qualify as a bug, then?
>>
>
> No, as said, in-law calculation is expensive, and is not activated
> everywhere. A quick check here shows relationship calculator does not run
> it, but the quick report: Relation to home person, does it. Quick report is
> in the context menu in the people view, and in the context menu on the top
> of the person editor. So you might arrive on a person editor window, and
> with this quick report quickly check the relation to the home person.
>
> Benny
>
>