Amos Quito:"Obama is spending three days in Israel and the West Bank, with the vast majority of his appointments taking place in Israel, including plans to lay a wreath on the grave of Zionist leader Theodor Herzl."

liam76:Tatterdemalian: Amos Quito: "Obama is spending three days in Israel and the West Bank, with the vast majority of his appointments taking place in Israel, including plans to lay a wreath on the grave of Zionist leader Theodor Herzl."

That is disgusting.

Because someone who noticed the Jew-hate before the Nazi party emerged must obviously have caused it.

/keep on writing your modernized "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"//you're just proving every word Herzl said to be true///this time, when the pogroms begin and the Jew-hate sweeps Europe, we'll see if having a country where the Jews can maintain their own self defense, instead of having to depend on their antisemitic neighbors to protect them, will make a difference

Pointing that out must mean you hate jews, according to Amos.

That's the funniest thing about him, not only is he so amazingly stupid that he thinks "post hoc ergo propter hoc" is the only valid form of logical reasoning, he honestly thinks the rest of the world is even stupider, especially the non-Jewish supporters of Israel.

/seriously, when Group A only wants to survive and Group B wants to murder every single member of Group A, Group A doesn't have to pay me to support them against Group B

Really? 200 beatdowns throughout history and you chalk it up to ignorance? If you knew a girl who had been raped 200 times, would you question her as to what she is doing wrong?

Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, Judith Miller, et al - seem to be acting out every "canard" there is about Jews and their relationship to host nations. What's sad is that all Jews will get hurt, again, over the actions of an evil minority.

Really? 200 beatdowns throughout history and you chalk it up to ignorance? If you knew a girl who had been raped 200 times, would you question her as to what she is doing wrong?

There comes a point where analogies break down. Your already has.

However, if you want to continue this failed analogy, the "raped" women hasn't exactly been given a choice in what she wants to do. If a prisoner was raped 200 times would you blame them? What abotu the maids in Saudi who can't leave?

Aside from pretending you can equate the actions of an entire faith to those of a person you are also ignoring they don't have complete freedom overt hat time span.

Insatiable Jesus:Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, Judith Miller, et al - seem to be acting out every "canard" there is about Jews and their relationship to host nations. What's sad is that all Jews will get hurt, again, over the actions of an evil minority

I had you favorited as "dual loyalties based on religion", (in an inbetween shade) you have moved on to full on anti semite.

Aside from implying jews are parasites in other countries, you have tried to prove that stereotypes are true by picking a few people. Well done little racist.

Tatterdemalian:/seriously, when Group A only wants to survive and Group B wants to murder every single member of Group A, Group A doesn't have to pay me to support them against Group B

I once had to listen to one of these 'debates' IRL, so I just sat there and said nothing. Finally one of those idiots left and they stopped. The young Palestinian woman (who had said nothing either) asked me what I thought, and I wanted to say I'm glad you're not a crazy idiot and can shut up. I wanted to say don't try to drag me into this. I wanted to say this is my country and keep your stupid out.

Cautious answer, "I think there's blame on both sides" how can that answer go wrong?

FARK rebel soldier:Tatterdemalian: /seriously, when Group A only wants to survive and Group B wants to murder every single member of Group A, Group A doesn't have to pay me to support them against Group B

I once had to listen to one of these 'debates' IRL, so I just sat there and said nothing. Finally one of those idiots left and they stopped. The young Palestinian woman (who had said nothing either) asked me what I thought, and I wanted to say I'm glad you're not a crazy idiot and can shut up. I wanted to say don't try to drag me into this. I wanted to say this is my country and keep your stupid out.

Cautious answer, "I think there's blame on both sides" how can that answer go wrong?

WHAILING "BUT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING THEY DON'T DECIDE ANYTHING."

This is why everyone hate you fools.

To be fair, I don't support half measures like "Group B is allowed to murder half of Group A, as long as they promise to stop there and leave the other half of Group A alone."

/because Group B will naturally find an excuse to renege on their promise to stop, once Group A is at half their strength//and the brokers of the deal will just shrug and say, "Well, we tried, so sucks to be you, Group A."

FARK rebel soldier:I once had to listen to one of these 'debates' IRL, so I just sat there and said nothing.

I've been listening to this debate for 25+ years. These days, I mostly say nothing (Fark threads notwithstanding, though I'm trying not to get involved with a "Who started it?" debate) - it's the same every time, and calling back to 100-year-old atrocities is fair game.

Nothing is going to get better trying to figure out who started it and why. What we need is someone who will end it.

Really? 200 beatdowns throughout history and you chalk it up to ignorance? If you knew a girl who had been raped 200 times, would you question her as to what she is doing wrong?

There comes a point where analogies break down. Your already has.

However, if you want to continue this failed analogy, the "raped" women hasn't exactly been given a choice in what she wants to do. If a prisoner was raped 200 times would you blame them? What abotu the maids in Saudi who can't leave?

Aside from pretending you can equate the actions of an entire faith to those of a person you are also ignoring they don't have complete freedom overt hat time span.

Insatiable Jesus: Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, Judith Miller, et al - seem to be acting out every "canard" there is about Jews and their relationship to host nations. What's sad is that all Jews will get hurt, again, over the actions of an evil minority

I had you favorited as "dual loyalties based on religion", (in an inbetween shade) you have moved on to full on anti semite.

Aside from implying jews are parasites in other countries, you have tried to prove that stereotypes are true by picking a few people. Well done little racist.

Look Dick,

I see 2% of the population at the heart of every major issue facing us, can't help that. Can't help that it's just a great big coincidence.

And NOT Jews, Zionists, for lack of any better term. You know, the same people who invented and foisted communism on Europe? Who sold out Germany? Who sold out the USA and convinced 80% of the US that Sadaam was involved in 9/11. Pretend all you like, but as things get worse, more and more people will be willing to see this connection.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

So you have a group of people (a "tribe", if you will), that repeatedly suffers calamity after calamity, through century after century, under different religious and political systems in country after country - and amid all of these variables, there are really only TWO constants: The presence of the "tribe" itself, and that tribe's steadfast refusal to consider that their behavior might have played any role in instigating said calamities.

Yes, I would call that "ignorance" - emphasis on ignore.

Here's a nice little quote:

"The Jewish question persists wherever Jews live in appreciable numbers. Wherever it does not exist, it is brought in together with Jewish immigrants. We are naturally drawn into those places where we are not persecuted, and our appearance there gives rise to persecution. This is the case, and will inevitably be so, everywhere, even in highly civilised countries-see, for instance, France-so long as the Jewish question is not solved on the political level. The unfortunate Jews are now carrying the seeds of anti-Semitism into England; they have already introduced it into America."- Theodor Herzl Founder of modern Political Zionism

Note the bolded, above. WHO "carries the seeds of anti-Semitism"?

So, did Herzl's little scheme work? Did the fulfillment of the Zionist Dream effectively reduce anti-Semitism? Or was that even the goal?

What kind of reputation does the Zionist State have in the world at large?

Has the existence and behavior of the Zionist State had any effect on the way Jews, as a people, are viewed by non-Jews?

Insatiable Jesus:I see 2% of the population at the heart of every major issue facing us, can't help that. Can't help that it's just a great big coincidence.

And NOT Jews, Zionists, for lack of any better term. You know, the same people who invented and foisted communism on Europe? Who sold out Germany? Who sold out the USA and convinced 80% of the US that Sadaam was involved in 9/11. Pretend all you like, but as things get worse, more and more people will be willing to see this connection

Zionists sold out Germany? Zionists invented communism? That is a new twist on Nazi propaganda, but at the end of the day it is the same thing, you goose stepping fark.

i woudl say the economy is a major problem facing the US, you don't blame that on the JewsZionists or do you now want to come out and say it, because it makes your racist BS a bit to clear?

It isn't the "tribalism" of the small groups who wants to keep their religion that is the problem. That isn't even tribalism. It is the other groups who use the small different group as a scapegoat to blame for all their ills.

Just like you do.

Amos Quito:"The Jewish question persists wherever Jews live in appreciable numbers. Wherever it does not exist, it is brought in together with Jewish immigrants. We are naturally drawn into those places where we are not persecuted, and our appearance there gives rise to persecution. This is the case, and will inevitably be so, everywhere, even in highly civilised countries-see, for instance, France-so long as the Jewish question is not solved on the political level. The unfortunate Jews are now carrying the seeds of anti-Semitism into England; they have already introduced it into America."- Theodor Herzl Founder of modern Political Zionism

Note the bolded, above. WHO "carries the seeds of anti-Semitism"?

Jews. But it exists only in a soil and climate of ignorance and hate. Things you like to spread. You have to be very stupid to not get what he is saying.

TheGogmagog:Amos Quito: "Obama is spending three days in Israel and the West Bank, with the vast majority of his appointments taking place in Israel, including plans to lay a wreath on the grave of Zionist leader Theodor Herzl."

That is disgusting.

Is laying a wreath some urban dictionary term I'm not familiar with?

It means "laying a wreath." The "disgusting" part is laying it at the grave of a man who fathered the movement that formed Israel, the same movement that now says Palestinians do not exist, that eternal warfare over scraps of land is preferable to giving one inch of soil back to people it was at least kinda stolen from and farking around with foreign governments and dragging the US into pointless wars rather than finding another more peaceful solution.

TheGogmagog:Amos Quito: "Obama is spending three days in Israel and the West Bank, with the vast majority of his appointments taking place in Israel, including plans to lay a wreath on the grave of Zionist leader Theodor Herzl."

That is disgusting.

Is laying a wreath some urban dictionary term I'm not familiar with?

No, but 'The grave of Zionist Leader Theodor Herzl' is a term used in some circles to describe the mound of Santorum that results from an all-night camel sodomy binge, so yeah, it's pretty disgusting.

I mean, that's the viewpoint. It's kind of like being disgusted when someone lays a wreath at the grave of Lenin or the like. The truth is rituals involving the dead are all about those still living, so take that as you will.

Dr Dreidel:FARK rebel soldier: I once had to listen to one of these 'debates' IRL, so I just sat there and said nothing.

I've been listening to this debate for 25+ years. These days, I mostly say nothing (Fark threads notwithstanding, though I'm trying not to get involved with a "Who started it?" debate) - it's the same every time, and calling back to 100-year-old atrocities is fair game.

Nothing is going to get better trying to figure out who started it and why. What we need is someone who will end it.

It would seem that ignoring the cause of the problem has been a long-time strategy.

TheBigJerk:It means "laying a wreath." The "disgusting" part is laying it at the grave of a man who fathered the movement that formed Israel, the same movement that now says Palestinians do not exist, that eternal warfare over scraps of land is preferable to giving one inch of soil back to people it was at least kinda stolen from and farking around with foreign governments and dragging the US into pointless wars rather than finding another more peaceful solution

Well clearly you have never heard of Gaza, but as to yor other points, maybe I am the ignorant one.

Can you point me to some mainstream zionist groups that denies Palestenians are a people?Can you find me a peaceful soultion for Iran and Israel?Or do you just have no idea what you are talking about on those counts as well?

Amos Quito:It would seem that ignoring the cause of the problem has been a long-time strategy.

So, how's that been working out for you?

My one and only response to you this thread:

The cause of the problem depends on where you want to start the clock. Jews and Muslims were best buddies for a while (when Christianity was trying to obliterate them both), and then weren't - a result of manipulation by leaders, geography, geopolitics (the US was ascairt that Syria - which was sort of modernizing in the 60s-70s - Egypt and others would join the Russians in the Cold War), economics, religious fervor, the history of the conflict itself (starting the clock in absurd places or ignoring shameful parts of their own histories) and yes, the violence. The Lamed-Bet, the Sbarro bombings, airstrikes on "known terrorist locations", bombs in trashcans in the beach district, who farking cares?

If every Jew (or Palestinian) in the world issued a mea culpa for the last 60 years, would anyone spring back to life? Would the situation suddenly resolve itself?

liam76:Insatiable Jesus: I see 2% of the population at the heart of every major issue facing us, can't help that. Can't help that it's just a great big coincidence.

And NOT Jews, Zionists, for lack of any better term. You know, the same people who invented and foisted communism on Europe? Who sold out Germany? Who sold out the USA and convinced 80% of the US that Sadaam was involved in 9/11. Pretend all you like, but as things get worse, more and more people will be willing to see this connection

Zionists sold out Germany? Zionists invented communism? That is a new twist on Nazi propaganda, but at the end of the day it is the same thing, you goose stepping fark.

i woudl say the economy is a major problem facing the US, you don't blame that on the Jews Zionists or do you now want to come out and say it, because it makes your racist BS a bit to clear?

Bernanke, Sommers, Greenspan, Reich. Just a coincidence that they preside over the destruction of our economy? Why is 2% of the population involved in 90% of the economic ratfarking?

You kind of have to wonder why Germany's economy is so strong as to be able to prop up nearly all of Europe. Perhaps because they can make decisions for themselves, as Germans, as opposed to ratfarking infiltraitors.

FARK rebel soldier:liam76: Can you point me to some mainstream zionist groups that denies Palestenians are a people?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

Try again.

For the record, at that time it wasn't a very contraversial statement. It in no way indicates they have no right to a state, just points out their was no clear difference prior to European powers drawing lines.

Zuheir Mohsen - Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity. 1977.

liam76:Insatiable Jesus: Bernanke, Sommers, Greenspan, Reich. Just a coincidence that they preside over the destruction of our economy? Why is 2% of the population involved in 90% of the economic ratfarking?

They preside? Ok.

Did they all decide to get rid of Glass Steagall at the Zionist bankers meeting that pulls all the strings?

Insatiable Jesus: Perhaps because they can make decisions for themselves, as Germans, as opposed to ratfarking infiltraitors

Jews are parasites, and now ratfarcking infiltrators, but you aren't and antisemite?

I am sure you can quote me where I used the word "parasite", right? This is right out of tatsuma's playbook, put words in other people's mouths to obfuscate, dissemble and smear.

srschatzer:Is EQ even around anymore? I thought they shut the servers off a few years ago?

NotARocketScientist:Is EQ even around anymore? I thought they shut the servers off a few years ago?No, it's still there. They've merged many of the servers but they just released yet another expansion late last year.

I played up until last Dec. when they put in player levels and decided that I wasn't entitled to the 4 million plat I'd spent 12 years earning.

One's an actual MMO, the other is a hand-holding theme park excuse of a video game?I'm pretty sure you didn't understand the topic of the debate.

Do you honestly mean to tell me that after you said they are behind the majority of the problems in the US, that they are "ratfarking infiltrators", that they foisted communism on Europe, that when you said "host" you were implying they were like dinner guests vice parasites?

Because it all comes down to the voters. Those leaders didn't elect themselves.

How is that Democracy = Majority = Blame Everyone in the Country, argument working out for ya?Do you blame yourself when you look in the mirror and wonder what the innocent Iraqi / Afghan children did to deserve their decade long war?Finger pointing is a funny thing... you point one forward... four point back at you.

Because it all comes down to the voters. Those leaders didn't elect themselve

Voters did, based on news and information from an industry dominated by one ethnicity, one with a strong loyalty to another nation for crissakes. It's really hard to take this, "Shut up and do something" nonsense when this one group has such ironclad control over US opinion.

All the proof you need of that is the propaganda campaign leading up to the Iraq War. Over 80% of Americans polled believed Sadaam was involved in 9/11 by the time they got finished ratfarking the American consciousness.

liam76:Dr Dreidel: Stop living in the past. Figure out how to make the future better

He has figured it out. Get rid of jews.

ronaprhys: FARK rebel soldier: liam76: Can you point me to some mainstream zionist groups that denies Palestenians are a people?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

You just quoted someone that's been dead for how long now?

And didn't actually say what he implied.

Yeah - I know it didn't. However, it was funny to see him quote "mainstream that deny", which by the verb tense implies a current group, and use someone that's been tits up since, what, 1978? It's fail all around and that just happened to be the part that amused me the most.

liam76:Do you honestly mean to tell me that after you said they are behind the majority of the problems in the US, that they are "ratfarking infiltrators", that they foisted communism on Europe, that when you said "host" you were implying they were like dinner guests vice parasites?

Really?

Iiam76, you're a well intentioned guy and I applaud your sensible decomposition of the implied "Jew Parasite" that Insatiable has danced around with words like rats (actual parasites), infiltrators (ie. enemies of state), host nation (reference to host body v. bacteria), and an all around scapegoating of the majority of the 20th century problems on Jews (communism, WW2, Clash of Civilizations between East v. West, etc.).

But really... do you expect a guy with a name like Insatiable Jesus, who comes around every thread about Israel to say things along the lines of "the few bad Jews will cause another genocide on YOU people... and YOU people deserve it!" as he has countless times.

It's obvious he hates Jews... not all Jews, some are okay... but since those Jews did 'nothing' to stop those he deems evil, collective punishment up to and including another round of genocide is in order as per his Insatiable Jesus handbook.

As a child I was once told a prescient piece of advice:Don't wrestle with a pig... you'll both get dirty, but the pig wont care.

He's an anti-Semite. Just like the Republicans don't believe they're racist... despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary... he will never acknowledge his antisemitism.

JeffDenver:NostroZ: How is that Democracy = Majority = Blame Everyone in the Country, argument working out for ya?

Pretty good actually. People are not robots or children. And it is kind of a cop out not to hold them responsible for their own decisions.

When exactly are people officially responsible for their own actions?

That's a good question.Why don't you ask around your glass house before you throw stones at others...Ask the CEO's that bundled CDOs that drove the economy into the toilet if they were ever HELD RESPONSIBLE.Ask the Generals that said Iraq would PAY FOR ITSELF if they were EVER HELD RESPONSIBLE.Ask any of the corporations that pay fines if they were help RESPONSIBLE for what they did wrong, or did they simply pay a slap on the wrist FINE without assuming ANY RESPONSIBILITY.

Why don't you ask questions in YOUR OWN COUNTRY of your OWN ELECTED LEADERS instead of shooting spit balls halfway across the world at a country the size of Rhode Island, occupied by Jews, telling them how YOU would like to hold them responsible for things you are not affected by.

NostroZ:liam76: Do you honestly mean to tell me that after you said they are behind the majority of the problems in the US, that they are "ratfarking infiltrators", that they foisted communism on Europe, that when you said "host" you were implying they were like dinner guests vice parasites?

Really?

Iiam76, you're a well intentioned guy and I applaud your sensible decomposition of the implied "Jew Parasite" that Insatiable has danced around with words like rats (actual parasites), infiltrators (ie. enemies of state), host nation (reference to host body v. bacteria), and an all around scapegoating of the majority of the 20th century problems on Jews (communism, WW2, Clash of Civilizations between East v. West, etc.).

But really... do you expect a guy with a name like Insatiable Jesus, who comes around every thread about Israel to say things along the lines of "the few bad Jews will cause another genocide on YOU people... and YOU people deserve it!" as he has countless times.

It's obvious he hates Jews... not all Jews, some are okay... but since those Jews did 'nothing' to stop those he deems evil, collective punishment up to and including another round of genocide is in order as per his Insatiable Jesus handbook.

As a child I was once told a prescient piece of advice:Don't wrestle with a pig... you'll both get dirty, but the pig wont care.

He's an anti-Semite. Just like the Republicans don't believe they're racist... despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary... he will never acknowledge his antisemitism.

Haters gonna hate

You're goddamned right I am a hater, of middle easterners interfering in my Govt. Has not shiat to do with religion or race you twit. Judith Miller is all I need to understand. Pick a country, one country only, and get there!

NostroZ:Why don't you ask around your glass house before you throw stones at others...

I know who I voted for and why, and I don't regret my decisions.

There is no evil conspiracy forcing you to vote for people you do not agree with or want to be in power. the same holds true for everyone in America. You are a victim and you are not special. You just got overruled by the majority.