Yeah. I thought I saw it on FB or MeWe or some such. Was just asking here if anyone had gotten anything offical. I checked DriveThru, but they didn't have an update. I still have the email saying those with a subscription will get the final PDF of TotU.

We are finished with the Tome of the Unclean. All of Scott Geeding's edits are in and the document is, I trust, a much more solid work. I was very pleased with the edits. Scott found a host of small mistakes. Good to see them rooted out. A new file was updated in your DrivethruRPG library a few minutes ago. You should receive a notice.

Tomorrow I will contact the printer and schedule the price quote and get it into the print queue. It usually takes several days before we receive a quote back and begin the upload process (I'm setting Friday down as the upload to the printer) so we are going to take that time to comb over the manuscript a last few times.

Please do so yourselves. If you find something, shoot us an email please so we can fix it before we go to print!

Thanks for the update. It appears no changes will be made to the demons and devils. I might pick it up to be a completest...

Not seeing a reason to buy a book that i have to modify to use, already doing that with old monster books that have demons.

Agreed 100%. I purchased the subscription expecting some improvements. They went backwards. Hopefully Steven has taken the feedback to heart and made some solid adjustments.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:10 am

maximus

Ulthal

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 amPosts: 637Location: North Carolina

Re: Tome of the Unclean

A new update came out this morning, and unfortunately it lived down to my expectations. All of the demon lords and arch devils are still under powered IMO. When I think of these creatures, I envision extremely tough/smart/magical. Here's a few examples:

1. Only 4 spell like abilities for Belial. 2. Asmodeus can cast 50 levels of spells per day, but has no at will abilities. 3. Oozemandius the "Slime Lord" is not immune to acid. Only has 4 spell like abilities.4. Why don't the most powerful devils/demons have maximum hit points per die? Looks like most use d10 for HD, but some of them have less than 5 hp per die.

General:

1. Demons no longer have any element resistance, nor can they teleport.2. Devils are no longer immune to fire.

These are certainly different than the D&D versions, but not improved as I had hoped. I guess I just need to create my own versions.

Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:30 pm

mgtremaine

Ulthal

Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:00 amPosts: 445Location: San Diego, Ca

Re: Tome of the Unclean

If you sift through the Monsters for C&C sub-forum you'll find lots of Demon / Devil posts. So very high level stuff, the Demon Lord posts are awesome. I'll refrain from linking at this point but look out KaiserKris' posts for sure.

-Mike

Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:52 pm

maximus

Ulthal

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 amPosts: 637Location: North Carolina

Re: Tome of the Unclean

mgtremaine wrote:

If you sift through the Monsters for C&C sub-forum you'll find lots of Demon / Devil posts. So very high level stuff, the Demon Lord posts are awesome. I'll refrain from linking at this point but look out KaiserKris' posts for sure.

I haven't looked at TOTU in a long time (waiting for the hardcopy), but I always boosted their HP and gave them certain immunities like to fire/lighting, etc. But I don;t make them TOO immune to everything mainly because I boost up their HPs. For example, in my games ORCUS is the biggest baddest demon daddy and he has 666 HP. Take that pesky mortals.

I'll look to see if I have the update for this, either tomorrow or the Monday, now that I am done with this big fundraiser for the seniors. Then I'll give it a read through and let you know what I think.

Although my knowledge regarding this work is totally peripheral, the subject is something I can express some real agreement with and support for - if you've got that paladin who lives for giving evil what for (and yes, I can see said paladin getting tired of stopping market-bound individuals who've got mismatched wheels on their transport wagons; sure, it's good for public safety, but it just ain't the same as scrapping, say, a pit fiend one on one), as I do, then this sort of thing is Fantasy RPG gold. As Omote stated, I can certainly do an on-the-spot upgrade for likely candidates if I've got the time, but this is part of the reason I - and I suspect most of us - lay out the long green for this stuff in the first place: We don't have the time; we've got families, friends and work that make DIY projects of this nature a non-starter.

One thing I'd appreciate very much: if someone can provide a link as to where an example - or examples - of the monster/s under discussion and dispute can be looked over, all gratitude is forthcoming. Otherwise, just waiting for the PDF to become available, and hoping we can get some considered reviews coming in and determinations as to whether the work is Pretty Darn Good or is going to require serious update for a second edition, leaving us to do home conversions of Monster Manual demon/devil subjects during the hiatus.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:54 pm

mgtremaine

Ulthal

Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:00 amPosts: 445Location: San Diego, Ca

Re: Tome of the Unclean

The conversions and EXTRAS are all in the Monsters for C&C sub-forum, I tried to compile a list below. KaiserKris did extensive work and really you could make a book right out of his stuff.

Agreed; much appreciated on submitting these, mgtremaine and KaiserKris. Really hoping that TotU has got some serious legs to it; with both Monsters & Treasure and Classic Monsters lacking lower planes entries on a systemic basis (individual monsters like the Death Knight notwithstanding), doing AD&D first/second edition Monster Manual conversions/adaptations on a personal basis certainly ain't impossible, but having some kind of official publication endorsing such is definitely appreciated. Hope to see some reviews of the PDF (which I've noted, from DriveThru, is already available) to give some grounding on where matters stand.

Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:42 pm

maximus

Ulthal

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 amPosts: 637Location: North Carolina

Re: Tome of the Unclean

Yes, thanks MGT for putting those links in one place for us. Much appreciated!

I just put a few comments on the DrivethruRPG site. I'm sure it's not what the Trolls want to hear, but they obviously didn't listen when feedback was asked from forum members a few years ago

Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:04 am

Lurker

Greater Lore Drake

Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:00 amPosts: 3671Location: Oklahoma

Re: Tome of the Unclean

Nice thanks for the links. I remember some of them from back in the day but it is good to them all in one place and easy to get to.

Great work on those conversions

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