To be fair though, you do like to point out that people die from other things. That is a tactic usually used by somebody who is trying to diminish the role of firearms in the issue. >

Not really. All it was saying was that people who want to commit mass murderer will find other ways. Gun laws by themselves won't stop mass murder and it won't stop criminals from illegally obtaining guns. If someone is THAT intent on committing a mass murder, and if they've put a lot of thought and planning into it, they will find a way.

If one considers cars for instance, it has come up a few times here. People are still killed by cars, in varying ways. However, cars are regulated. I imagine that somebody arguing from a similar point of view would be along the lines that the regulations have failed since we still see these things. >

Guns are regulated as well. You can't sell to a convicted felon (Yes, they do GET their hands on them, but that's because they're CRIMINALS!), to someone that you know or think is going to use one for a criminal action, people with dishonorable discharges, and a few other reasons. Cars themselves are regulated as well (And regulated with good measure.), but they can still be stolen and they are still used for mass murder (It's not the usual method, but it's still pointing out that you can't stop these things.). The problem would be private sales.

It is just hard to quantify preventative measures. >

Exactly! You said it, and that's the problem with guns and crime, too.