Thought I'd post a pic of my wip - I was hoping that I would find someone who could help me put it in game when it is finished. If anyone is up to the task, please drop me a post or send me an e-mail.

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin.jpg

dreddsnott

08-08-2002, 03:43 AM

Doesn't look bad at all - I can't say much about the form, although the head seems a little odd. Maybe it's too large...?

remark 666

08-08-2002, 03:48 AM

looks very good, maybe few touches here and there, the head looks a bit large (maybe the form) and a little bit more work on the face, let me find some pics

EDIT: beat me to the head comment :p

EffJi

08-08-2002, 03:51 AM

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!

That looks sooooo awesome!!!!!!

Have you put him in a 3d scanner? :)

I don't know if that is the final skin, but his hair look a little too dark, and the shape of the hair looks a little too round (like an afro) but maybe it's just the picture.

Great work.

Deetox187

08-08-2002, 04:25 AM

I think that looks killer.. not sure about the head, i think its ok.

-Tercero-

08-08-2002, 04:38 AM

Just a little update!

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin2.jpg

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

Anavel Gato

08-08-2002, 04:59 AM

Looks schweet man! :D

I don't know how far you are with the skin but I would put a bit more detail in his clothing. The clothing in his neck has a lot of detail and his belt too and it makes the rest of the skin see ntoo different. Just adding some wrinkles, shadows and highlights to his clothes would do the trick I think.

He lloks scary without eyes though. Like a zombie :)

Luuke

08-08-2002, 05:15 AM

awesome work!!! looks definately very good!!
GREAT!

T-0NIC

08-08-2002, 05:25 AM

Wooahh! When are you going to release this awesome f**** piece!!!!! I WANT IT NOW!!!

Darth-Nasty

08-08-2002, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by EffJi
but his hair look a little too dark, and the shape of the hair looks a little too round (like an afro)

yeah i reckon that as well!

it needs to be shorter on the side of his head than it is on the top

apart from that its great

Garik Loran

08-08-2002, 05:35 AM

Anakin looks very much like the original, I am shocked :)
Good job. And I don't think the head is too big.

remark 666

08-08-2002, 06:38 AM

few pics

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars2/co2.jpg

http://www.sf-fan.de/sf-film/sw2/doppel_laser.jpg

and a lot here

http://www.padawansguide.com/promo/index.htm

keo718

08-08-2002, 08:53 AM

-Tercero- ,

That looks very good. You might want to consider asking elessil to do the skin unless you plan on handling that. He already has made a very accurate anakin skin. He can be found in the following thread. Send him a personal message (PM) if your interested.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=73821

edit: His thighs are slightly too big. Anakin has skinny legs.

Kit Fisto

08-08-2002, 09:32 AM

wow, they just keep on coming dont they! It looks great so far :)

rut-wa jodar

08-08-2002, 09:51 AM

OMG ! this model is amazing it`s a fantastic effort. I am certainly looking forward to seeing this in the game. :thumbs1:

icepool

08-08-2002, 11:24 AM

Wow this model looks amazing. One suggestion the skin definately dose need more detail as someone already posted. I'm sure if you asked elissel, grafox or maybe even acro they could make some nice skins to go with the model. But the model proportions itself was done excellent great job!!!!!!:D

funny_dude0

08-08-2002, 12:08 PM

Enuff said. Wow, drooooool get me a towel. Not that I'm gay but it's a great model. Maybe make it so that his look isn't so intense.

Eets

08-08-2002, 12:29 PM

Very nice job, Tercero!

keo718

08-08-2002, 12:33 PM

For precision, the distance between his upper lip and nose is too long in your model when compared with the following photo. Also his forehead is ever so slightly longer than in your model. You might want to lower his eyebrows, eyes and nose slightly and kill two birds with one stone. Also, it appears that his shoulders are more broad. Finally you might want to again size the overall head a tad smaller. Scratch my previous comment about the legs, they look pretty accurate. Great model!

http://www.padawansguide.com/promo/pages/anakin1_promo.htm

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin2.jpg

-Tercero-

08-08-2002, 01:11 PM

Thanks for the feedback, I've worked some on the head and face - it's really starting to shape up now...
As for the skins, I've really just started them. They should look pretty good when I'm done - I tend to skin a little better than I model. The bland colors are just there for my reference. The skin will have the same level of detail that you see on the undershirt and belt. This is really just a very preliminary pic of the model, I just left the skins that I had done in the shot...

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

BradFu

08-08-2002, 03:25 PM

:thumbs1:

Very cool! I noticed the detail on the undershirt, looks very good, can't wait to see the rest of the skin finished :D

-Tercero-

08-08-2002, 10:19 PM

A little bit more done on the skin...

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin3.jpg

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

SpYzEr

08-08-2002, 10:28 PM

Lookin good! Cant wait to download it

funny_dude0

08-08-2002, 10:36 PM

I think his lips are too small and his brow is a little too furrowed. If you can understand any of that.

keo718

08-08-2002, 10:50 PM

Excellent adjustments. A few more constructive comments. His lips are a tad too wide, and his face(cheeks) come out a bit too much. Also his eyes are way too big. Finally, the ears are slightly too big and the neck a bit too wide. This model is going to be excellent. I can tell that you are a good skinner as well by the slight skinning on the shirt.

http://www.padawansguide.com/promo/pages/anakin1_promo.htm

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin3.jpg

edit: his thighs actually are slightly too big. It is more clear from this angle.

-Tercero-

08-09-2002, 03:39 AM

Did some heavy work on the face - he even has eyes now! - No more zombie Anakin...

Anyways, here's a pic:

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin4.jpg

Tell me what you think!

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

nomad

08-09-2002, 04:04 AM

Wow, that latest pic looks great!

Have you gotten anyone to help you to get it in-game? There are some good tutorials on that, and I'm sure there are some experienced people around here that will be able to help you, especially after seeing what a nice job you've done so far.
I'll see if I can coax any of them into taking a look.

-nomad

MTFBWY

Grafox

08-09-2002, 04:22 AM

Good job man, the resemblance is amazing!

Garik Loran

08-09-2002, 05:48 AM

Oh, yeah, this is what I have been waiting for. Absolute high detail Anakin model. Amazing!

keo718

08-09-2002, 09:19 AM

Alot better, excellent detail. His face and legs (going off the previous pic) are a bit thinner though.

http://www.padawansguide.com/promo/...akin1_promo.htm

Andy867

08-09-2002, 09:32 AM

Hey Tercero the model looks great. I can't wait to download it, btw, I got your saber mod posted in case you hadn't checked your email yet. Keep up the good work, and when you are done, you can submit it to JKii.net and I will get it up as soon as humanly possible:D

Andy867
JK2Net File Master
www.jediknightii.net

**EDIT** to view the pics of his model, either copy and paste the link, or just add a question mark at the VERY end of the link... Thats what I do and it works everytime. By the way, Hi Diablo., Its andy867:)

Smood

08-09-2002, 11:14 AM

Hosting your pictures on Geocities was not a good idea. I cannot even view one.

TUX

08-09-2002, 11:57 AM

Hosting your pictures on Geocities was not a good idea. I cannot even view one.
I was having the same problem. Open a new browser windon and 'copy and paste' the link. That worked for me.

Now, about the model... 2 words... 'Yum Eee'! That looks freakin awesome. It's obviously not your first (and hopefully not your last). I can not wait for your release. Great work!

Fanboy_Solo

08-09-2002, 11:58 AM

If you have trouble viewing Geocities pics, just put a ? at the end of the URL

or just copy the URL and paste it in another window.

Mix_Master2k

08-09-2002, 12:14 PM

Andy, I noticed your avatar was of project Duality, were you a modeler of some sort of the prohect? Anyway, awsome Anakin model.
-Mix Master

Forums_End

08-09-2002, 12:38 PM

Looking Good!!!! Keep up the good work!:D

Primrodo

08-09-2002, 12:47 PM

Wow, looks alot like Hayden, good job.

Couple nitpiks:

Hair still looks too high, but maybe when its skinned it will look much nicer.

The inner tunic is actually higher than the outer

Questions:

Are you throughing on the clip on the belt skin?

Are you gonna show the cloth tabards on the tunic skin?

Will the boots be skined or modled, ala Spat and rings?

Will he sport the pony tail?

Great work!

Mind teh questions and nitpicks :)

EDIT: Also, you could make a Ep1 Obi-Wan with this too :)

Andy867

08-09-2002, 12:58 PM

MixMaster, actually I am the project leader of a map-project that will re-create the the sith temple of Korriban where Lord Rive and Darth Blight fought to the death in front of Darth Oz. and Its coming along nicely with the help of XLR8 (mapper of The Tibanna Mine Encounter and the The Jedi Forest) him, Ko'or Oragahn, pnut_master, and senseless009 (mapper of the SDE Temple) are all involved. Once I can get into further talks with Visac at JKII.net and get some scripts that will suit our needs all set up and running, I will release the website along with some progress, and feedback.

- The model looks great, can't wait to play him in the Project Duality Map:)

Mix_Master2k

08-09-2002, 01:25 PM

thats kool, that was an awsome setting, I loved that movie too it was awsome how it ended :)

The hair on the sides of his head needs to be shaven, and some small curls and highlights need to be added.

I cannot tell, but is the blue band, on the Padawan braid, there?

The vest actually needs to be black and not brown, as well as textures need to be added, but you'll probably do that anyways.

Primrodo

08-09-2002, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by morphius_doh
There are only a few observations and suggestions that I have:

The hair on the sides of his head needs to be shaven, and some small curls and highlights need to be added.

I cannot tell, but is the blue band, on the Padawan braid, there?

The vest actually needs to be black and not brown, as well as textures need to be added, but you'll probably do that anyways.

Actually Anakins Tabbards ARE Dark Brown, it said that in one of the newsletters.

MaTT[-FcG-]

08-09-2002, 05:43 PM

Just making a few comments about some of the previous comments... If anyone is complaining about the skin make sure you take a closer look before posting! The only places that I can see in the latest pic that have been skinned are as follows:- The face, The belt area and the under garments as shown under the neck area! Any other comments are not needed as the other areas do not appear to be skinned.

Now for my own Comments!! :D Damn fine looking model!! One think I have to ask though... Does the model feature the small pony tail at the back of the head as seen in this promo pic?

http://www.vengeance-unlimited.org/Jedi%20Outcast/Anakin_back.jpg

MaTT[-FcG-]

08-09-2002, 05:57 PM

Just noticed this thread has been posted on the jkii.net front page... Expect this thread to get busy!! :D

Starwalker

08-09-2002, 06:00 PM

Thats pretty bloody amazing. :saberb:

Pvt_Ryan

08-09-2002, 06:42 PM

Nice to see someone answering my request, and I'm sure it's great but I can't view it; it just says to try again within an hour. I can't wait that long!!!!
------------------------------
:fett: Pvt_Ryan :vadar:

-Tercero-

08-09-2002, 10:28 PM

Okies - I go to work for a day and I come back to two pages of posts. Alright, let's see if I can answer some questions.

About the model:
The model has the pony tail like in the movie - I have the pictoral dictionary from Episode II and I am relying on it heavily, but the reference material you guys are posting is also helping a great deal. -If anyone can get me pictures of his boots, I'd be much obliged...I still have a lot of work to do on some sections of the model. The belt still needs it's accessories modeled on (that's another one I'm kinda lacking for pics on...), his boots are going to be remodeled, and the hair needs a lot of work.

About the skin:
It's not done yet. Period. The model won't look right until it is. Matt summed my progress on it up pretty well - I just have the middle of his shirt, his face, and his belt done, and they all still need work. When I am finished, I'm going to convert the color to a few different schemes - one darker brown or black, and team colors are in the plans right now.

Finally:
Tabbards. I have no clue what they are. Someone please tell me.

Also I wanted to say that nitpicking is welcome. It makes the model look better. I miss things that other people see, and when they are pointed out I can fix them or add them in. So please nitpick me - it might seem annoying at times, but it is really appreciated in the end. Nitpicking is honestly the difference between the first screenshot I released and the latest one. It is half the reason I decided to post this thread.
If anyone has any suggestions or input they'd like to donate I'd also really appreciate that too. -I'm still looking for someone to get this thing in game when I'm done, and I suck at making sound packs - takes me forever.

Thanks for all the input!
-Tercero-
tercero@maicity.com

-Tercero-

08-09-2002, 10:35 PM

Oh, I almost forgot to add - for anyone who is having trouble loading the pics, try copying and pasting the link into your adress bar. Geocities is weird that way. If anyone knows of a free server that doesn't have this problem, I'd appreciate it.

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

keo718

08-09-2002, 10:47 PM

Reference pics.

http://www.padawansguide.com

Keo,

Maggie has made it expressly said that she does not want direct links to her site, please edit your post and resepct her rerquest, else we will have no more padawans guide

My bad, I didn't know.

ReIIiK

08-09-2002, 10:48 PM

I use Homestead to host pics, but you've got to be carefull, about it, don't use the page builder. Its a free service too.

Tap[RR]

08-09-2002, 11:12 PM

Heres a pic of anakins costume with light on it. Kind of shows what color the suit really is, also a nice view of his boots. Here it is, uploaded just for you ;P! http://home.earthlink.net/~amares626/_uimages/anakins_wardrobe.jpg

-Tercero-

08-10-2002, 01:15 AM

Yet another screenie - got some work done on the model's structure - it's proportioned a little bit better now...

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin5.jpg

more to come...

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

Sinister1

08-10-2002, 01:41 AM

Thats fantastic work! That model is coming along extremely nicely, the resemblance is uncanny!:)

Tercero, would it be possible if you posted some side shots and back shots, so we can see what that model looks like from other angles? thanks:)

Keep up the good work!

keo718

08-10-2002, 01:55 AM

Inspirational. Fantastic work. It gets better with each picture.

Tercero, would it be possible if you posted some side shots and back shots, so we can see what that model looks like from other angles?

I agree.

edit: His face looks a little long. The curve of his jaw should be closer to his ear, and his ears are slightly smaller(refer to the pics).Also his thighs are yet skinnier.

Maggie has made it expressly said that she does not want direct links to her site, please edit your post and resepct her rerquest, else we will have no more padawans guide :)

Tercero,

The Tabbards are the strips of fabric over teh shoulders. Anakin has leather ones, and undeneath has cloth ones too.

-Tercero-

08-10-2002, 03:20 AM

By popular request, here is a pic with shots at different angles

Hope you have a good screen resolution (think 1280x1024)

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin6.jpg

Hope this helps!

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

Sounds Risky

08-10-2002, 03:39 AM

Looks like the proportions of his head are off a bit. Too much forehead and maybe not enough jaw. Actually if you move the nose and mouth up and make the forehead smaller it might help.

Jo

08-10-2002, 08:59 AM

the model and skin looks great...one small segestion though...i think the hair needs more texture than that....but thats just what i think

Luuke

08-10-2002, 09:36 AM

well, he said it's not skinned yet, just coloured so he can see what is where. so expect the hair to look better when the model gets skinned!
Oh, and the model looks really great, nice work!!!

keo718

08-10-2002, 09:47 AM

Looks like the proportions of his head are off a bit.

The nose is a bit to long. As you shorten his nose, move up the chin and jaw.

edit: His thighs also are too wide all around.

Primrodo

08-10-2002, 12:43 PM

Tercero,

Did you tighten the sleaves?

MaTT[-FcG-]

08-10-2002, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Primrodo
Tercero,

Did you tighten the sleaves?

Yea I think he did! :( I prefered them baggy!! My main critisism right now fo the model itself is that the head appears to be sitting a little too far forward on the neck. It kind of gives him a thuggish neanderthal appearence... The body itself looks great though!! :D

As most of the critisism seems too be aimed at the head area maybe you could post a large pic of the head shown at different angles? Trying to constructively critisise the models head is hard when viewing those pics with a 1600x1200 desktop!

Also I am more than willing to host those pics for you on my own FTP if you want to send them to me!! :D You can reach me at crashakid@hotmail.com by email/MSN or you can find me in my IRC channel: - irc.gamesnet.net #forumthon

e.g.
http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_1.jpg

nomad

08-10-2002, 03:11 PM

Thanks for the extra angles -Tercero-. :) The model looks fantastic.
You've really captured something about his face, so be careful adjusting it. I think his nose is a little too long. The bottom of his nose is too far away from his eyes, just by a bit.
The leather tabards might be a little too thin. Maybe make them a little wider.
And nice pic Tap[RR]! That's the same display I saw in person at The Brooklin Museum. (unfortunately my camera's batteries ran out before I got to him... 25+ pics of the Yoda puppet will do that ;) )
And yes... Anakin's leather tabards are brown. Honestly, the color they are on the model is near perfect if used with the proper shader. Very, very nice looking job.

If you need help getting him in-game, I know a lot of experts like to see a flat shade render of your model. (I think that's the right term; no colors, just the unsmoothed mesh so they can see that the poly's are set up nicely and planned out properly)
Also, about sound packs, I seem to be making a bit of a living on making sound packs for other modellers and skinners, but I do not have any sounds for Anakin from AOTC. The only ones I've found on the internet have been from the TV trailer and they have way too much music on them. I would be glad to do his sound pack though, if I had a good collection for him. And yeah I spend a long time working on them too, but at least I can give back to you guys in some way :).

-nomad

MTFBWY

-Tercero-

08-10-2002, 06:29 PM

I've done a bit more work on the model - mainly on the face again... As for his sleeves, I did tighten them up a bit. I was finding that in 90% of the screenshots I have of him, they were a little tighter than I had them. I also think that he'll animate better with them a little tighter, and it'll make it a bit easier if I ever decide to add a cloak (I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, though... that one would be extremely difficult to pull off convincingly.)

Nomad - I'd be more than happy to have you work on sound packs, but I've unfourtunately been too busy to find any clean rips either. Worst comes to worst, we could always release a sound update after the DVD comes out - that is if the model is even finished by that point. As far as cleaning up sounds, I do have some pretty good software on my computer - I just the lack of time to do it...

I've redone the skin on the face a bit - mainly around the eyes and eyebrows, and tweaked the nose and eyes a bit more. It's really starting to shape up now... soon it'll look like the real thing.

Thanks for all your input, please keep it coming - it's what will make this model be the best that it can be.

Its working for me... try putting ur mouse on the link the drag it to the address bar....

keo718

08-10-2002, 06:53 PM

I get this message....

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information.
Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again later.
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin7.jpg

I tried dragging it too.

SpYzEr

08-10-2002, 07:12 PM

Thats weird... it worked for me the first time i tried but now it says that same thing, WTF?

12thMonkey

08-10-2002, 07:18 PM

me too

Deetox187

08-10-2002, 07:51 PM

Works for fine me, looking damn good too. :)

morphius_doh

08-10-2002, 07:54 PM

In the extreme close-up the nose sticks out too much and is a little pointed at the end. Is there a way to sort of round that out?

keo718

08-10-2002, 07:58 PM

Ok, it works now. I suggest going to padawansguide.com, and looking for Anakins close up headshots. From observing your close up shots against his headshots on the aforementioned site, I see that his forehead is too big(long), his eyes are too big(wide and round), the bridge of his nose is too long his nostrils are too wide(it also sticks out alot from the side), and his mouth is too wide. If you visit that site(pic 10/6/00 of the headshots), you'll see what I mean. If I could direct link the picture, I would.

BTW: His legs look better now

edit: Also, his chin needs to be more round.

JackNeilNC

08-10-2002, 09:00 PM

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information.
Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again later.
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin7.jpg

I tried dragging it too.
Try it without jpg at the end:
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin7

MaTT[-FcG-]

08-10-2002, 09:23 PM

Ive just composed this pic out of both your model and a pic i found...

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_2.jpg

As you can see the main thing that stands out is that the models nose is too big! While its length is fine it sticks out too far and is also a little too wide!

Now onto the minor points. If you look at your models hair you can see that the front of it doesnt stick out quite far enough and his forhead is a little oversized. The models Jaw is also too straight and defined compared to Haydens. The eyebrows need lowering slightly to give hime a more brooding look and the ears need enlarging slightly!

Kururin

08-10-2002, 09:46 PM

Tercero at your geocities file manager just rename the pics to
.txt instead of .jpg and then the link will work. :D

morphius_doh

08-10-2002, 10:01 PM

Check out this bust of Anakin. This picture is the best for modelers because you don't have all the colour distractions and you can just concentrate on the contours of the face.

Um, no offense, but you need the .jpg at the end to define what file you are wanting to look at. computers and the internet are picky like that. say like if there was anakin7.jpg AND anakin7.txt, which one would be the one a person would be needing to view, etc.

But keep up the good work, only thing I noticed was the nose looked a little pointed on the side, unless its just the angle...

**EDIT** boba, I wasn't referring to you, It just happened to come out with JPG and TXT, I didn't even see your post until you said that...I was referring to JackNeilNC, because he said just do to the anakin7 without a JPG extension..

Okies, I tweaked the face a bit more from your feedback - thought I'd post another screenie to see what people think!

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakinclose2.jpg

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

ReIIiK

08-11-2002, 05:32 AM

Very Very nice, Just wish some one knew how to do facial Anamation, so all the awsome models would work for singleplayer cut-vids.

Andy867

08-11-2002, 05:49 AM

The model is really looking great tercero, very nicely done.

I kind of took a pic from a guy earlier and reworked just the pictures themselves, and got this. too bad the term photo-realistic doesn't naturally apply.

http://projectduality.fragland.net/photo_anakin.jpg

ALIEN_JL

08-11-2002, 07:39 AM

Looks great but it looks like it have hmm... LOTS of polygons...

How much ???

-------------------------

LODs ??

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 08:18 AM

The current polycount is at 3288. I've been trying to do some optimitation, but it seems that every time I take a poly out, I have to add another in. As far as LOD's the will almost be a necessity, but I haven't really done them to date, so I need to figure out what I'm doing there first.

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

morphius_doh

08-11-2002, 10:19 AM

I'm not sure if this because there's no detail or whatever, but the ears look a little big now. Maybe if you could finish skinning the ear we can see what everything looks like.

Btw, great job on the hair and braid!

keo718

08-11-2002, 10:21 AM

Yeeeesss. You are getting ever closer to anakin. Remember the picture I referred you to in my last post? Check that pic out again. All I would suggest now are minor tweaks. Like try making his face overall less wide(leaving the hair where it is, moving in the temples and cheeks), his lips a TAD bit thinner (from top to bottom, not in width), his nose a TAD bit less wide, and the bridge of his nose a little bit less long. Minor tweaks. Please refer to the pic on padawansguide.com, it will help. After that, it seems that the face will be done. This model is looking superb thusfar. And Andy, that hair is looking real nice.

edit: You might want to refer to headshots 10/1/00 and 7/27/01 on Padawansguide.com for his side profile.

grey_fox_001

08-11-2002, 10:40 AM

hey I know what it is thats making it look weird. His cheek is better now, just not smoothly done right now. Its his chin and Jaw line thats are weird. his chin is smaller and more pointed and his jaw should come up to his ear a bit shorter and should be a bit higher if you know what I mean - right now his Jaw looks too long and low (hes not that old yet). Hope this helps.

No more geoshi... I mean geocities!! :D I couldnt get the flat shaded picture as geocities prevented me from viewing it just as i was finishing! :(

This model is begining to look kick ass!!! Have you thought about what your going to model after this? How about a decent episode 2 Obi wan model to complement your anakin?

morphius_doh

08-11-2002, 11:43 AM

Tercero, you ought to think about using Andy's rendition of Anakin's head.

Andy867

08-11-2002, 11:47 AM

All I did was blur the jaw/cheekline, and maybe the chin a little, and simply used the rubber stamp tool in photoshop to give the modle actual anakin hair from a pic posted earlier. That's all I did, nothing big... And maybe use actual hair for the braid as well, but thats literally it...

funny_dude0

08-11-2002, 12:01 PM

I thought his hair was more brownish....

cROsIs**

08-11-2002, 12:12 PM

Right now, I think hes PERFECT...

"thA dekMan"

08-11-2002, 12:48 PM

it looks fantastic. I haven't seen the most recent pic cuz of that ghetto bandwith/data transfer crap, but from the others, i have same crit as most other people. The face looks fantastc, and the top of the nose looks great, but it kind of curves out a bit to much and ends in a wierd point. And at the moment the hair looks a big to fro'ie... it will probably looks good with the skin though. So u might want to try just throwing some textures on there and see what it looks like.

Andy867

08-11-2002, 12:49 PM

http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_2.jpg

This is the pic I was referring to that i got the photo hair of anakin. Also, keep up the good work tercero. You are almost there. :)

Sivy

08-11-2002, 01:05 PM

I soooo excited
I just can't it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it!

funny_dude0

08-11-2002, 01:30 PM

Okay nevermind about the hair then. The face resemblance to the actor is A M A Z I N G. Have you gotten it in game yet?

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 09:36 PM

I'm still pretty far off from getting him in game - I have no experience with 3DS, so if I wind up doing it myself, I'm gonna have to get over a learning curve. Still, I might decide to do it
myself if noone comes forward to help me get him animated. I figure the model could take anywhere between one or two more months to get in-game, I know it's a long estimate, but I work a LOT... I see that people are pretty eager to play it, though, so I might release a rough beta when I do get it working.

Next thing I'm skinning will probably be hair once I'm done with the face - I'm going to try to get it to look somewhat like the hair in the pic that Andy posted - I really like the look of it there. I might make it a bit lighter and sharper though - only time will tell...

As far as future projects, Episode I and II Obi-Wan's are being considered, as well as Mace Windu, or, if I can hack the code, a gameplay mod that improves on saber combat a bit. If people want I'll post some changes I'm thinking about making in the coding or general editing forums. And as always, I'll probably still be updating my Tercero-Sabers to make them look even better. The next pack that I'm releasing will contain more Episode II-ish sabers and possibly new sounds.

Thanks for putting up my pics Matt, I'll edit my old posts accordingly. Also, I need to get in touch with you about how I can quickly post things up on your server so I can release wip shots faster.

And now for the newest screenie!
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin8.txt
^ This is a really big one! -Hope you have a large desktop ^
-If that link doesn't work, try this one.
http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin8.txt

As always, keep your comments to a maximum!

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

Enjoi9187

08-11-2002, 10:08 PM

how do you fix that .txt thing so i wont get taht dumb geocities thing?

ReIIiK

08-11-2002, 10:15 PM

I keep getting the Geocites message page saying that you've run out of space.

try making his face overall less wide(leaving the hair where it is, moving in the temples and cheeks), his lips a TAD bit thinner (from top to bottom, not in width), his nose a TAD bit less wide, and the bridge of his nose a little bit less long. Minor tweaks. Please refer to the pic on padawansguide.com, it will help. -- Pic 10/6/00 -- padawansguide.com

Also, he has a bit less forehead than that.

funny_dude0

08-11-2002, 10:22 PM

I think the end of his nose is a little too broad....

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 10:24 PM

Yeah, the tweaks on this one are more minor - I did thin up the face a bit, rework the jaw, and squash the head just a hair, but all of these changes were pretty slight in the grand scheme - all by millimeters in real-life scale...

Just thought I'd post it to get more feedback on what needs work...

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

funny_dude0

08-11-2002, 10:25 PM

Well like I said I think the end of his nose is a little too broad.

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 10:38 PM

You were right, funnydude - I just thinned it up a bit...

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

funny_dude0

08-11-2002, 10:42 PM

Thanks that oughta do the job :D. I think the model looks great. Have you been able to get it in game yet or are you still doing the final tweaking stages of the model/skin?

ReIIiK

08-11-2002, 10:55 PM

-Tercero- I'm sure there are tons of people who could help you get it ingame or help with modeling aspects.

Anybody whos already released a model, I'm sure would help.

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 11:48 PM

Okies, after a few tries at making the hair from photos, I decided to just paint it by hand. Here's what I came up with:

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin9.txt

Or, if that link doesn't work...

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin9.txt

might...

Oh, as far as my progress on the model, I've really just started the preliminary skins, and the model is still being tweaked. Seeing this in game is probably still pretty far off, I'd roughly estimate at about a month to complete the base model and skin, and then whatever time it takes to get it in game. If people want, I could release a beta before I finalize the skins, but I'd prefer to finish the product before I release it.

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

keo718

08-11-2002, 11:54 PM

The hair looks good. The model could benefit from the other adjustments as well however.

Elessar-Eärfalas

08-11-2002, 11:56 PM

comin along very nicely, take ur time on the model/skin, the longer it takes the better it will be in the end, i cant wait!

-Tercero-

08-11-2002, 11:57 PM

Hmm...I keep thinking that there is something wrong with his eyes...If anyone has any suggestions I'd be happy to hear. I can't seem to figure out what it is...:confused:

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

keo718

08-12-2002, 12:03 AM

Too big and far apart.

-- Anakin Headshots - Pic 10/6/00 -- padawansguide.com

Elessar-Eärfalas

08-12-2002, 12:04 AM

the eyes r lookin good, i think the only problem with em is the black around the white part, just play with that color a bit, make it a skin color or make it white, thats all i can see thats wrong, other then that its lookin amazin'

keo718

08-12-2002, 12:12 AM

The nose length in this latest shot looks better. Did you change it, or is it just the angle?

Andy867

08-12-2002, 12:24 AM

the hair looks great Tercero, and I don't know about the eyes, never noticed anything odd about them, but if anything just play with the color a little, remember, its your model, do with what you like with it to meet your satisfaction, usually a modeler's satisfaction meets that of the general public's. if anything, start working on the rest of the body, and if you think of something for the face do it, but definitely take your time. a model rushed is a model wasted.

remark 666

08-12-2002, 01:14 AM

his eyes are a bit big and too far appart, look at this pic (the lower one) http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_2.jpg and compare it ot this http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin9.txt

compared to the real actor the model......
-eyes bigger and far appart
-hair a little different color
-skin lighter
-sideburns different (smaller)
-the ear has a weird shape at the bottom of it, not round type

I know that you can't model exact replica but maybe those few things can be fixed on him :)

doing a great job so far, thumbs up

Sisko82

08-12-2002, 02:05 AM

Great job so far! I look forward to downloading this one. Keep up the good work but take your time! :)

ReIIiK

08-12-2002, 03:09 AM

His ears do seem kinda big, but theres no way to tell intil they are Skinned. Eyes look fine to me, I don't think they are to big.

Elessil

08-12-2002, 05:22 AM

Looks very good so far! Great work!

What I'd suggest is making the eyebrows a bit bushier, moving the eyes overall a tad down, and making the hair on top of his head a bit flatter. Also, I'd recommend shading the eye's white a bit darker, that's particular about Anakin's head, his eye sockets sit very deep, therefore it perhaps should eb shaded a bit more. But very, very nice work!

MaTT[-FcG-]

08-12-2002, 07:01 AM

Ive found a great pic of his face!

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars2/co2.jpg

K.O

08-12-2002, 09:47 AM

Another model to cry at by it's greatness! This a "Holy Good" Job! This is lookin so real, it's scary!!!
Btw, you people that can't get those geocities pages to work, try taking off them www. part. ;-/ That usually works.
Again, superb job! Nice with the hair too. :D

grey_fox_001

08-12-2002, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by MaTT[-FcG-]
Ive found a great pic of his face!

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars2/co2.jpg

As you can see in the comparison pic here:http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_2.jpg

your model is making him look a bit too old. He hasnt yet got a jaw that long and low - its still pretty high up. And his nose is also sticking out to much, in the picture, his nose starts further in as it rolls off his eye socket and thn folows your shape. And the end isnt really sticking out that much either. Once you tweak these it will look PERFECT.

Hope that helps.

EDIT: Also his chin isnt that big and doesnt have that much of a dent in it. For the size of it, you may aswell not put it in as it makes it look a bit weird.

Andy867

08-12-2002, 10:15 AM

actually what might help is make the chin area wider, because you can see the line in the anakin2 pic of the jawline, and it isn't far off from the photo, but between the two, other than the fact one is looking more at an angle(photo), it might help a little if the chin area was widened (just a tad), but that's only for those who want it to look really good, or better Ishould say.. Its already looks great. Keep up the good work tercero.

morphius_doh

08-12-2002, 10:42 AM

You can also see that his cheek bones are another facial feature that is missing as well. So, you might want to do some shading to bring out the cheek bones.

Master_Shaddix

08-12-2002, 10:55 AM

SHWEET!
:drop2:

Elessil

08-12-2002, 01:47 PM

Tercero - some people have been asking me to drop in here and offer my help skinning this model. I have done the old Anakin skin based on Galak, which was rather popular, and, until the project was more or less dropped, was in charge of skinning Librarian's Anakin model.

If you would like help with skinning, particularly the face, I am more than willing to help you out. But again, only if you want me to. I don't want to intrude or take your work away from you, so if you don't want my help, just say so. But if you do, I'll gladly help.

keo718

08-12-2002, 08:04 PM

Tercero, your latest pic (Anakin10) is just about right. You could leave it like that and be fine. However, if you are a perfectionist, I believe if you move in the cheeks even more, and the temples a little more it will be perfect.

-Tercero-

08-12-2002, 09:53 PM

Keo, thanks for the feedback - heh you got to see Anakin10 before it was even posted - I tried to do it before work, but the forums were down so here it is...

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin10.txt

or if that's down, try

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin10.txt

As far as the perfectionsist thing, I'm guilty as charged. I'll probably still be working on this model long after it is released.

Elessil - I do appreciate the offer, but I UVmap my models as they go, using this to line up textures on the fly, and having someone else skin it would take this ability away. I would however really appreciate it if you did some skins of other jedi or even another Anakin skin once the model's UV's are finished, so just tell me the format you want it in and I'll send it to you when it's finished.

Thanks for all the support, and keep the feedback coming!
-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

MaxiNeo

08-12-2002, 10:21 PM

DAMN, that looks awesome, keep up the good work... this is quite possable one of the best looking models I have ever seen... (Believe me, Ive seen them all and have every model released :p )

spitfire3228

08-12-2002, 10:31 PM

pure rawness thats all i gotta say rawness and nuttage thats the first actual good looking anakin ive seen all the others were just easier made skins. uve done a really great job i wanna know will this one have custom taunts too?

Eets

08-12-2002, 10:43 PM

Great job, Tercero! Keep it up!

The only complaint I have is that it seems a bit wide/chunky for Anakin's face...

Toonces

08-12-2002, 10:57 PM

Looks great Tercero :D Very good resemblence

If your still looking for help getting him in game let me know. I've gotten 4 models into JO thus far and am rather familiar with the process (only Count Dooku has been released so far)

Toonces
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"thA dekMan"

08-12-2002, 10:59 PM

I think the hair still looks a little bit fro-ish, but the texture is awesome, and it looks great!

Andy867

08-12-2002, 11:16 PM

But if you look at the pictures of Anakin, his hair doesn't exactly lay flat on his head, so the hair being like that is actually a better representation of his hair. But the Hair and face look absolutely AWESOME Tercero...

-Tercero-

08-12-2002, 11:16 PM

Toonces - I'd really appreciate it if you'd help me get this puppy in game - it'll be a while before I get it finshed, but if it would help with bone weighting or anything, I could send you the unfinished version so you can start playing with it.

Oh, as far as sounds, Deetox sent me a great soundpack with 3 custom taunts. The audio quality isn't perfect, but I might be able to clean it up a bit. The hit and jump sounds are really good - they'll probably wind up in the final model without much alteration.

I'm going to try to finish tweaking the head in a day or so, and then I'll move on to skinning the body and finishing up modeling his accessories.

Oh, and if anyone knows of some good, easy to follow shader tutorials, I'd really appreciat a link. I have an idea of what I can do with shaders from texturing render projects, but I'm not quite up to snuff on how Q3 engine handles them.

If I figure them out well enough, I might also release a couple saber models that are pretty shader heavy (reflections, lights, bells and whistles, etc...) -namely the ones he used against Dooku in the movie, as well as his own.

Ya i am sorry about the quality of some of the sounds but it couldn't be avoided, the only source i have is a bootleg of AOTC. There likely won't be a better source until the DVD comes out. :(

Andy867

08-12-2002, 11:52 PM

Shaders on a skin, eh, Tercero... You ARE a perfectionist ;) What kinds of shaders you thinking about doing Tercero? Also, could you do some work with the braid, just so he can look ever more like the padawan Anakin:) The model looks fantastic..

Mix_Master2k

08-12-2002, 11:52 PM

ehh, you get what you can get :), dont woory too much bout sounds, you can always make a v2 release with custom sounds

Mix_Master2k

08-12-2002, 11:54 PM

oh, has anyone ever thought about doing a model of anakin as he is seen has a padawan at the end of episode 1? Using jedimod you could scale him to be a tad bigger then yoda. Just an idea...

Andy867

08-12-2002, 11:58 PM

sure, just take this anakin, lop him off at the knees, add feet, lop his arms off at the elbow, add hands, give him a haircut, bleach his hair a little.. Voila, Anakin!!! lol (End Sarcasm) ;)

I don't know Mix, good question...

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 01:32 AM

Andy, for one I want to do shaders on the leather to make it look a little better - something along the lines of Vader's helmet in SithlordII and Cheshire's model. I might also do some on the belt, to make the belt clasp, food capsules, and pouches stand out a bit more. Maybe also on the boots - something like the leather one. The textures are small, so it shouldn't be too big a deal on hardware performance. Oh, and as far as the braid, it'll probably be one of the next things I work on.

Heh heh - with a little dismemberment, you'd have your kid Anakin - what was that server variable again?:D

As far as saber shaders, I was thinking about making it shiny, and having the little lights on it light up (the power indicator).

My perfectionism reaches new highs as the men in white come to take me away:eek:

Ah, well - back to work for me... he will be the most photo-realistic jedi model ever!

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

Elessil

08-13-2002, 01:44 AM

Looks really awesome! Keep up the great work! I'm starting to believe that there would be not the slightest detail for me to change, anyway! :)

Just one thing, I'd suggest saturating his hair a little more. The brightness looks about right, but it looks a bit grayish.

If you need any reference shots of head and costume, I uplaoded some for you on my webspace:

http://elessil.members.easyspace.com/anakinref

All shots are from the original costume/actor, except costume10, which is a fan made costume, but I believe it has very good detail.

Enjoi9187

08-13-2002, 02:25 AM

most photo-realistic?

http://members.cox.net/misterpunch/PloKoon.htm

now you have a challenge, j/j, GREAT MODEL! cant wait till ur done!

Toonces

08-13-2002, 02:44 AM

It's all good Tercero, I'd be happy to help you out :) If the model itself is uvmaped I can segment it and begin to rig it for JKII. If you havent finished the uvmaping yet it's probly best to wait till your a little further along to do all that because the uvmaping often removes the settings in the skin modifier

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Tap[RR]

08-13-2002, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by Enjoi9187
most photo-realistic?

http://members.cox.net/misterpunch/PloKoon.htm

now you have a challenge, j/j, GREAT MODEL! cant wait till ur done!

Lol enjoi, sorry to burst your bubble but. That isnt the final skin for plokoon, it was just a test using photos of plokoon, photo manipulation test. See not to be mean or anything and of course no offense, but if you were around when he first did that (misterpunch) he stated it was just a test. His texture artist friend is doing the real skin. Heh we have yet to see it. And torecero, great job man looks good. This is one of those few models that bare great resemblence towards their countparts.

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 03:19 AM

Toonces - did you need anything specific done to help you get it in game - UV's named anything in particular or anything like that? If you do, just drop me a post. I probably won't be done the UV maps until I'm done the textures. I often tweak them as I go to align textures, rather than spend all day messing around with the .tga files, so they won't be finished until the textures are. That's part of the reason I said you had a wait ahead of you... it'll be a while before he's ready for you...

Also, there were a few things I had some concerns about while I was building the model. I'l need to get back with you further along to address some possible animation issues (I'm mainly worried about the flaps by his legs...)

Okie-dokie, time for me to get to bed!
-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

omeo

08-13-2002, 04:12 AM

Looks great so far. I am not sure if you are going for the photorealistic look, or something a little more cartoonish, but you might want to add more detail to the skin. He has got a slight mole on his chin, and his complexion just does not look totally natural at this point. If you check out the first Anakin model and skin that is in the forum, you will see what I mean. I also think his head needs to be a a little smaller. Either that, or widen the sholders of his tunic a little more. There should be a bit of a flap wher his shoulder joins his arm.

Darth-Nasty

08-13-2002, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by -Tercero-
If I figure them out well enough, I might also release a couple saber models that are pretty shader heavy (reflections, lights, bells and whistles, etc...) -namely the ones he used against Dooku in the movie, as well as his own.

His own lightsaber has has been released by Alaris. and i have to say that i reckon it would be very hard to improve on it.

Howver the two he fought dooku with have not been made yet.

if you look here: http://www.thelightsaber.com/history1.htm it has reference pictures of the two he used

Andy867

08-13-2002, 09:18 AM

Actually Darth-Nasty, the 2 sabers listed are in fact the same lightsaber, they just showed it again to show people how it looked after it was cut in the Geonosian Droid Factory..But keep up the good work Tercero. I know whatever you release will be a big hit with the JO community.

Oops, missed them, I kind of remembered right before I saw them that anakin had one that closely resembled his final one as Lord Vader.

Darth-Nasty

08-13-2002, 10:32 AM

no under that there are two lightsabers (one green, one blue) those are the ones used in the fight with dooku

they are completly different to his original one as he got one from some jedi after escaping the execution and the other is obi wans replacement one.

Enjoi9187

08-13-2002, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Tap[RR]

Lol enjoi, sorry to burst your bubble but. That isnt the final skin for plokoon, it was just a test using photos of plokoon, photo manipulation test. See not to be mean or anything and of course no offense, but if you were around when he first did that (misterpunch) he stated it was just a test. His texture artist friend is doing the real skin. Heh we have yet to see it. And torecero, great job man looks good. This is one of those few models that bare great resemblence towards their countparts.

if that was just a test, imagine what the final will look like :P

Toonces

08-13-2002, 05:03 PM

Tercero, I'll send you a PM with my e-mail addy and you can send me the mesh if you want. I can rig him and send him back to you with a glm. Thoes flaps on the legs shouldnt be too much of a problem. I would try and line up the verts on the flaps with the parts of the body they cover, that'll make the clipping issues much easier to deal with.

I admire the fact that your taking the time to get the head perfect as it's extremely difficult to do, he really looks great thus far :D

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-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 06:49 PM

Hey - I've got the next screenie!
I've tweaked a good bit since the last one, but most of the tweaks are getting pretty small. I also added a bit more hair, and he has ears now:) Here are the links:

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin11.txt

ANd if that doesn't work, try this one:
http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin11.txt

Keep the feedback coming - I want to get it perfect before I move on to the next part - even the smallest details will be appreciated!

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

ReIIiK

08-13-2002, 07:02 PM

its looking awsome Ter, I have one question tho, are the packs on his belt (food caps and pack) going to be 3d as in modeled or are they going to be just textures? Personaly I think it would look better as a 3d object.

Keep up the great work!
~ReIIiK

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:02 PM

..... Good Lord.

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:06 PM

Keep the feedback coming - I want to get it perfect before I move on to the next part - even the smallest details will be appreciated!

All I would say is that his nose should be a tad bit shorter in length. Should you choose to shorten it, I would suggest moving his lips and chin up with it. Also his lips may be even less wide. Unbelievable work.

Otherwise, its color that needs to be perfected. I think his eyes are brown as opposed to blue.

t3rr0r

08-13-2002, 07:07 PM

that looks amazing, but the nose still seems a little big.

Darth Odisse

08-13-2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by keo718

All I would say is that his nose should be a tad bit shorter in length. Should you choose to shorten it, I would suggest moving his lips and chin up with it. Also his lips may be even less wide. Unbelievable work.

Otherwise, its color that needs to be perfected. I think his eyes are brown as opposed to blue.

I guess they are. A darker blue though it seems. All the shots I've seen they looked brown.

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 07:16 PM

Thanks for the quick replies - Keo, I'm shortening the nose right now - and the jaw and lips with it as you said.

ReIIik, the pouches will be modelled on - they're too bulky to make them look good otherwise. The food capsules and saber clip will be textured on however. I originally thought to model them on too, but it would be too costly as far as polys - they wound up looking better than I expected skinned on too - (see some of my earlier posts for refence - the belt hasn't changed much yet. With a little help from some shaders, they should look just as good as if I had modeled them.

As far as the pouches themselves, I still have yet to build them. I'm waiting on getting some better reference material to start making them - all the shots I have of them are angled kinda funny...

Okies, back to work for me!
-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 07:19 PM

Oh, as far as his eyes, Hayden's eyes are brown, but he wore blue contacts for the film - Jake Lloyd had blue eyes and they wanted to keep the continuity for the films.

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

ReIIiK

08-13-2002, 07:25 PM

Thanks for the answers Ter, I'm really looking forward to this model now! Thanks for the frequent updates.

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:29 PM

Very interesting about the eyes. I knew I saw brown.

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 07:37 PM

Speaking of frequent updates, I changed the nose and jawline a little bit more - tell me if it needs more.

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin12.txt

or if that's down,
http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin12.txt

I try to update pretty frequently so that you guys can give me feedback on the little changes that I'm making - jumping back and forth from flat pictures to a 3D model with perspective starts to distort your perception of proportion after a while, so I really appreciate that you guys are giving me so much input. The model wouldn't look like the way it does now if it wan't for you.

Thanks,
-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:40 PM

Just a bit more.

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 07:45 PM

Just a bit more.

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin13.txt

-Tercero-
tercero@mailcity.com

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:46 PM

Ah man. The link is acting up.

SpYzEr

08-13-2002, 07:47 PM

ya it dont work

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 07:51 PM

Sorry.
Try this one.

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin13.txt

keo718

08-13-2002, 07:55 PM

Ok I see it. Try moving it up to the point that the middle of the side of his nostril is adjacent to the bottom of his ear. I hope that makes sense.

keo718

08-13-2002, 08:01 PM

The pic Im referring to right now is on padawansguide.com (Anakin/Headshots & Fullshots/pic 10/6/00).

keo718

08-13-2002, 08:28 PM

Since you seem to be getting intricate with detail, I guess I'll add a couple more observations. The distance between his top lip and the bottom of his nose is slightly less, you might want to play with the highlights on the nose to make the bridge and nostrils appear thinner, the bottom of his earlobes should be slightly higher, his eyes a tad bit closer together, and his hairline on the sides moved inward slightly. I think your model even thusfar is the most accurate representation on these boards besides Misterpunch's models(Plo Koon/Shaak Ti). Great job.

edit: Also, his lips are a bit less wide, and the black slits(what have you) at the end of his lips a hair longer.

-Tercero-

08-13-2002, 08:38 PM

erm...

NUDGE!!!

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin14.txt

keo718

08-13-2002, 08:47 PM

Ah hah.... Very nice. I know you probably just noticed my above post. Should you decide to play with those adjustments, just remember to keep the mid nostril lined up w/ the bottom of the earlobe(because I mentioned that the earlobes are higher). Also, you might want to mess with the hair to make it look less "slicked back". Great work. I am eager to see him ingame.

morphius_doh

08-13-2002, 08:56 PM

There are only a few suggestions that I have: The hair colour needs to be a little more of a strawberry blonde instead of a dirty blonde; the skin underneath the eyes needs to be less puffy. Of course the skin complextion needs to be worked on, but that's already been said.

If you want to get really detailed, once you're done with the head, add some detail, like muscle, in the neck area.

keo718

08-13-2002, 09:00 PM

Of course the skin complextion needs to be worked on
The hair colour needs to be a little more of a strawberry blonde instead of a dirty blonde;

I agree.

Madjai

08-13-2002, 09:29 PM

give him that angry look he has when hes carrying his mother home, love that angry look.

very very nice model.

omeo

08-14-2002, 12:29 AM

Great work. His complexion is a bit on the rosy side. I think it needs to be alittle more yellow. I think you definately need to darken the eyes.

zer0_her0

08-14-2002, 12:41 AM

In some of the photographs ive seen... his face seems to be more narrow...( the cheek bones on the model might be too wide? or his face needs to be a little longer? )

keep up the awesome work!

K.O

08-14-2002, 03:03 AM

Lol, thought he was gonna come out and poke my eye out with his saber. Kick ass beef.

ZePhyR

08-14-2002, 03:46 AM

Even if it was to go as is, it would be one of the best looking models I've seen.

rut-wa jodar

08-14-2002, 05:41 AM

C`mon guys I know you are just giving some constructive criticism but I think Its going a little too far now. It looks like one of the most accurate models released yet ! but people are being very picky about the face. It`s not as if you would be able to notice these(if any) so called inaccuracies.

BTW the model is stunning IMO

ReIIiK

08-14-2002, 05:58 AM

yup thats why I haven't said anything, to me it looks just like him, I think its just fine, I think he could move on to the body.

Luuke

08-14-2002, 06:30 AM

wow, i can't believe how good that looks! it's very accurate, the likeness is amazing, seems perfect to me!!!

Grafox

08-14-2002, 07:31 AM

Damn, looking very nice Tercero, my compliments!

-Tercero-

08-14-2002, 09:28 AM

Okies, I decided that the nose wasn't working for me, so I remodeled it a little bit, along with some sections of the face (just changed some triples around so it goraud shades better). I still feel like there's something a bit off about the lips, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

Ah, well - here's the screenie!

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin15.txt

or if that link is down, try:
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin15.txt

Allright, I've gotta go to work, so don't expect to hear from me for about 12 hours, but I'll probably get back to work on him when I get home. Any feedback in the meantime would be much appreciated!

Sivy

08-14-2002, 09:37 AM

:joy:

that’s fantastic, very good job. My only input would be that his hair is a bit darker than that, he’s more auburn than blond.

Andy867

08-14-2002, 10:35 AM

Here is Tercero's new looking skin, complete with skinned braid (I know it doesn't look perfect, but hey, it works.. its not like you are going to be THAT close to him anyways, if you are, its because he was killed already by someone else and not you! LOL.

enjoy!

http://projectduality.fragland.net/anakin_16.jpg

and one with hair slightly altered, even though this doesn't exactly look right for some reason.
http://projectduality.fragland.net/anakin_hair_17.jpg

D.L.

08-14-2002, 10:36 AM

Wow!

That's good. That's real good.

morphius_doh

08-14-2002, 10:44 AM

Excellant job with the touch-ups!

I think the thing that you are having a hard time nailing down with the lips is that the bottom lip need a small indent in the centre, and maybe just a little, little thinning of the same lip. I don't know if this will help any, but you can try these suggestions and see how they look.

Andy, I don't mean to be anal about detail, but the padawan braid is a little too thick, as well as the blue braid band.

crazy_elmo

08-14-2002, 10:53 AM

This model (and skin of course) is looking great, can't wait till you're done with the rest of the body (but no rush ofcourse).

Keep up the good work:D :D

Andy867

08-14-2002, 11:06 AM

Morphius_doh, if that's the case, you are referring to the model, because all I did was color the braid. and the band is just a section of the braid I colored to make it stand out.

But I will try to make it thinner, but if its too thick its because of the model's braid, not the skin.

keo718

08-14-2002, 01:55 PM

Nice work with the nose.

I still feel like there's something a bit off about the lips, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

I would say that the bottom lip could be a bit thinner, and the upper lip needs to moved up, closer to the bottom of the nose. If you do move up the upperlip, you might want to move the bottom lip and chin along with it.

Elessar-Eärfalas

08-14-2002, 01:59 PM

i think for the most part the head and face look fabolous, u guys r makin this the best u can and we all appreciate that, cant wait to see the whole model.

keo718

08-14-2002, 01:59 PM

and one with hair slightly altered, even though this doesn't exactly look right for some reason.

Well, his hair color is closer to orange than it is to red, and that looks red. Also, his skin complexion is not yet accurate. That may be a reason.

Andy867

08-14-2002, 02:30 PM

well, here is just a comparison between the original hair color as provided by Tercero, and just a little hair color test... this way we can kind of help Tercero find the best tone for hair... What do you guys thing

http://projectduality.fragland.net/anakin_hair.jpg

Darth-Nasty

08-14-2002, 02:38 PM

i still reckn the hair looks a bit big and round

but overall the model and skin is fantastic!:)

Kn1ves

08-14-2002, 02:39 PM

He looks like a red-head
Not good at all :(

keo718

08-14-2002, 02:46 PM

Actually, its a tough call. His hair color looks different depending on the lighting. In one picture, his hair looks like andys latest adjustment and in another pic, it appears that tercero's hair color is fine. I would say leave it the way it is. Because in the brightest light, Anakins hair looks closer to tercero's.

Sivy

08-14-2002, 02:55 PM

I think the hair still needs more brown in it.

It's still great.

Andy867

08-14-2002, 03:20 PM

ok, I changed the tone a little more to keep the right side image the same, but made the left image have a little bit more brownish tint to it..

http://projectduality.fragland.net/anakin_hair.jpg

Any feedback for the hair color is welcome so we can help -Tercero- :)

oh and also, I thinned the learner's braid and the band in the hair was made smaller.

Elessar-Eärfalas

08-14-2002, 03:45 PM

i think the one on the left is more accurate, the one on the right looks like its orangy red

Andy867

08-14-2002, 03:48 PM

That's the thing though, in some bright lights his hair will appear that way... So, that's why I did both pictures, to give a better reality.

OH GOD THERE's THAT R word again!!! LOL

But seriously though, it just helps people better understand that hair will look different, so you can't rely on pictures with certain lights

agentj64

08-14-2002, 03:51 PM

Jesus crist that is the most amazing facial detial i've seen
certinally well captured by tones color and highlights
an honor to see your post -Tercero-

djnugget84

08-14-2002, 03:54 PM

in my opinion the hair color should actualy be a little bit of both images. dark hair like the one on the left but with highlights like the color of the one on the right. eather do that or combine them and have a darker color of the one on the right

Daskers

08-14-2002, 03:57 PM

Great work. This is gonna be a truly excellent model. How much detail will it have as far as things like caps and moving facial features go. Not completely important, but I like a model that I can chop up in a fight.

Archonon

08-14-2002, 04:58 PM

This is truly the most impressive Anakin model I've ever seen. I can't wait to see this ingame. Tercero, are you making this model with the 3d eyes and mouth? I'd like to put this into SP replacing Kyle as well as having it for MP.

About the hair, wasn't Anakin like dirty blonde? I think he should retain that hair color, since the reddish tones appeared only because of certain lightings and I never recall him brunette. But that's just imo. :)

I love this model. Excellent job.

Wei St Paliv

08-14-2002, 05:29 PM

Well Well Well.....

This Model certainly looks the fecking best it ever has done.

When can we see more than his face skinned and modelled. We wont get to see ANakins face most of the time, cause he will be infront of us, running around. :P

So when this is all done, have you though about an Obi Wan Kenobi SKin to go with this one. The Episode 1 Obi Wan looks pretty much exactly like Anakin (Model Wise).

I think people want a Spot On Obi Wan Episode 2, so maybe you could do that next.

Well anyway well done on this model. It looks better than any Model in any game I have ever seen based on a real life person. Why real game designers can't do what you are doing is astonishing.

Well Done mate!

ZePhyR

08-14-2002, 07:45 PM

I like the lighter colored hair like the way Tercero had it. It also seems to me that the braid should be thinner.

"thA dekMan"

08-14-2002, 07:52 PM

wow i really like the new nose! :p

I think with the hair, the left one is closer than the right, because the right is to orange. I think it needs to be more blonde, not orange. But not to much because he does seem to have brown-ish hair.

Atsuri

08-14-2002, 08:34 PM

I was just skimming through the threads of the board when I saw your model. I looked at it and was like ... wow... Just one question, are you going to make this for single player and multiplayer? If so that would be awsome!

morphius_doh

08-14-2002, 09:22 PM

I think the left image is the one to go with, and I think this is as close as we can get to perfection on the face.

keo718

08-14-2002, 09:25 PM

I say the original.

Deetox187

08-14-2002, 09:39 PM

yeah i think the original hair looks much better.

Andy867

08-14-2002, 09:49 PM

The only suggestion I could make for the hair, is make it more sparatic, instead of having it combed to the back of the head... Other than that, just maybe do a little adjustments here and there on the hair for highlights and shadows, and the hair is set. now.. ONTO THE BRAID!!!

-Tercero-

08-14-2002, 10:21 PM

Back from work...long day...

Okies, now for replies...

As far as the hair, I know I still need to do a lot of work on it - it needs to be reshaped, recolored, and the skin needs a lot of tweaking...as far as the braid, I'm planning on hitting that soon - I just want to nail down his hair color a bit more first.

I'm glad people like the new nose. It increases the polycount by 8 or so, but I think that it's more than worth it. Took me a while to get it looking even remotely good, but I think it's a pretty big improvement all said and done.

On single player, the model is built with facial animations in mind, but they probably won't be in the first release. I might come out with a SP update later, but for now the mouth is modelled all as one piece to save on polys.

And as far as future models, Obi-Wan is my next planned project, of the Episode II kind, with Episode I soon to follow. That might be getting a little ahead of myself at this point, though - I still need to finish this one and get it working first.

On dismemberment, that'll be mainly up to Toonces. I'm building caps into the model, so I guess it will be possible to cut him up into kibbles and bits...

Okies, back to work for me - I should be checking the forums periodically for the next couple of hours, though, if anyone wants to contact me.

"thA dekMan"

08-14-2002, 11:20 PM

ooo obi ep2 and 1 that would be awesome, and u gotz skillz to. Whatever happened to what? tex60 or something. Those were some good models, and its a shame that they didn't get finished. But its nice to see you taken the job up, and i have faith in you they will turn out awesome|! ;)

Elessar-Eärfalas

08-15-2002, 12:47 AM

man that'd own if u did obiwan ep2 style, im not fillin the skin of obiwan fromt he tyrion model, its not original, but if u did it id have no problem with that;) nuff bout obiwan, LETS SEE SOME UPDATEZ!! hahah just jokin', take ur time :D

Andy867

08-15-2002, 09:13 PM

Hey -Tercero-, hows the model coming along. and by the way, did you get my PM, (asking hows the progress) lol...

"Hey Peter. What's happening. We have a bit of a problem here. Yea, apparently you forgot to put the new cover sheets onto the TPS reports. Did you see.. the memo on this? (Peter Gibbons talks).. You see we are putting these new cover sheets on the TPS reports before they get sent out. So if you could go ahead and remember it for time, that'd be great, oh, and I will get you another copy of memo to ya.. Thanks... "

SithMaster01

08-15-2002, 09:31 PM

Quote: And as far as future models, Obi-Wan is my next planned project, of the Episode II kind, with Episode I soon to follow. That might be getting a little ahead of myself at this point, though - I still need to finish this one and get it working first.

FFIINNAALLLLYY!!!!!!!!
Someone needs to make a good Obi Wan! I've been waiting for
this forever!!!!

-Tercero-

08-15-2002, 11:08 PM

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know that the model is still coming along - updates might be slower for the next few days - I'll be working a lot... but they should pick back up on my next day off. I'll be working on it in the meantime too - I'll try to post a shot a day or something. I'm thinking about moving on the the body and coming back to the face at a later point - that way I can get a beta out there faster so everyone who really wants it can have something to tide them over until it is perfected.

I'll try and post up my progress before I hit the hay for tonight - I might add in the cloth tabbards that he wears under the leather ones and work on the shoulders and arms a bit more.

Oh - if anyone has a couple clean shots of his belt pouches I'd really appreciate it. I have the food capsules done, but I'd like to get a better look at the pouches befor I start modelling them. All the ones I have are at funny angles.

If anyone still has feedback on the face, I'd still like to hear it - even the most insignificant details are appreciated!

Oh, one more thing - more a poll than anything - I'm trying to figure out if I should make a robed version too. It'd take longer and have to be a seperate model, but I could make one. I wanted to see how high the demand for one was before I spent the time on making one, however, so if you really want it, just drop me a post. Otherwise I might just release it later in a bigger model pack.

Eets

08-15-2002, 11:17 PM

Here's a belt pic.

Yeah, you should make a robed version, but after the regular version is complete. :)

keo718

08-15-2002, 11:18 PM

I vote yes for the robed version(on Tattoine). Asked for the face comments, look at my last couple of posts.

Andy867

08-15-2002, 11:21 PM

I wouldn't mind a robed version, and with knowing you for perfectionism, mastering the look of it, seeing as how its basically the vader robe, just without the chain holding it up near the neck. but it you think you can get the look right, because it needs to look like a premonition(sp?) of vader, then I say go for it! oh, and the other "voices" say go for it too;)

"thA dekMan"

08-15-2002, 11:23 PM

http://starwars.carrotnetwork.com/reviews/dlxani.html

that website has a few pics of the action figure if you can see any detail in that, but i guess it gives the basic positioning. I'll try and find some actually good ones for ya ;)

I've been considering it for a bit, and I think that I might release the robe as a second version, like Anavel Gato did with his Padme model (fantastic work by the way...) The robe will take a good bit more time to create, considering I'll have to reoptimize the entire model to make way for the extra polys (it's already a little on the heavy side without a robe right now... still being optimized, though...) I might also release a Thousand Moons version (seen breifly on Naboo) if I ever get that far.

Andy867

08-16-2002, 12:27 AM

Thousand moons? What does that version look like.. where he is wearing the refugee clothing, or where he is wearing the Tan shirt?

-Tercero-

08-16-2002, 02:06 AM

It's a black shirt with a pretty neat pattern on it - here's a pic

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/face13.jpg

He wears it under the white robe that he wears on Tatooine, it only appears breifly in the movie, but it also appeared in some really nice promo shots - it's a pretty neat design, which is what made me think to make it - and it is very similar to his regular garb, minus the leather tabbards.

I might do it as an alternate skin on an Anakin model without the tabbards (in standard Jedi robes). I like to make as many costumes as possible available for the characters that I make - it's almost like a line of action figures - the same head on 30 different bodies.

Andy867

08-16-2002, 03:23 AM

here are some more shots to help you with the Carvat and vest he wears on Naboo

http://www.padawansguide.com/anakin_nonjedi.shtml

-Tercero-

08-16-2002, 03:43 AM

Okies, here's a screenie of tonight's work - I redid the chest texture - it now features the inner cloth tabbards, as well as being a little bit sharper. The tunic still needs a lot of work, but it'll have to wait for tomorrow... right now I need to get some sleep...zzz

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin17.txt

if that link doesn't work, try this one:

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin17.txt

monsoontide

08-16-2002, 04:43 AM

Excellent.

It takes such a long time to decent textures - I mean to really work them and the mesh to look like the character and not just a generic human face.

I have been dissapointed by some of the model releases recently and I'm really glad you're going for such accuracy.

It's a real art/science to balance skin/mesh/polycount in a model - and then to get it all weighted etc and actually working in JK2.

BTW which programs are you using?

Monsoontide

Kn1ves

08-16-2002, 06:43 AM

Looking good
Buuuuuuuuut
I don't like those circles under his eyes, you've put two, one stron one light, when there's actually only a single light one.
His lips look too dry, you should soften the cracks and make them a little more alive and red, you can see it in a stronger light.
You can notice those details here:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/anakinskywalker/img/curve.jpg

Also, I don't really like the skin color, should be lighter IMHO.

But, Model-wise, PERFECT job, and although I was critical about the skin I still think it's FANTASTIC! Great job! :cool:

morphius_doh

08-16-2002, 08:54 AM

This model is shaping up to be the best one to be released! I only have a few suggestions for the vest, once you work on it more:

Make the vest have a bit of a glossy texture, and add the stitching along the edges, and on the shoulder area.

Here is a pic that shows what I mean.

http://www.padawansguide.com/promo/pages/anakin4_promo.htm

keo718

08-16-2002, 09:01 AM

Something is amiss with the face.... You might want to move up his earlobes, lips, nose (yes, even more), and chin (slightly). Also, theres something about the nose shape that isn't exactly right. Check this ref pic and compare.

edit: in your anakin14, the nose shape was more accurate, although a bit too wide. And the bottom lip doesn't need to be bigger, but it does need precise shadowing underneath it. Check the ref pic.

cROsIs**

08-16-2002, 10:24 AM

I honestly font get why everyone in this thread is telling the modeler to DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACCURATE. Dude, its an EAR bone, when you play as him your not going to stop in the middle of a game and say, "Hey, you know what.... HIS EARS ARE ALL WRONG".

In my opinion the model is perfect.... getting it to look like the real actor is important, BUT, I think all the nonsence in this thread is taking it a BIT out of hand....

But again, Just my two Republic Credits.

keo718

08-16-2002, 10:38 AM

If anyone still has feedback on the face, I'd still like to hear it - even the most insignificant details are appreciated!

Without feedback, models do not reach thier full potential. Why don't you ask Tercero if any feedback in this thread helped?

Your saying the model is perfect. How do you think it got that way? It got that way because of the perfectionism of Tercero, and feedback that reveals things he might have not seen.

Everything matters, even down to the earlobes. Why? Because its all proportion. It is properly aligned proportions that cause a model to accurately reflect the person. I mentioned earlier to Tercero that the mid nostril is aligned with the bottom of his earlobes. This means if the earlobes are too long, then so will the nose be. If the nose is too long, amidst other things, it begins to look less like Anakin. That is why I mentioned them. I guess I say these things because I am a portrait artist.

-Tercero-

08-16-2002, 11:26 AM

Crosis. a big part of the reason that these posts are being made is because I asked for them. If you look at the first pic and compare it with the latest one, they are worlds apart. One small change isn't much, but a hundred of them makes a huge difference, and I've made thousands based off the feedback from this thread.

Thanks to everyone who's put their two cents in - I know people are anxious to have the model, but I've never liked releasing something that I feel is unfinished. When the model is released, I think that it will be one of the best out there, and a big part of it is you guys' input.

adillon

08-16-2002, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by -Tercero-
Thanks to everyone who's put their two cents in - I know people are anxious to have the model, but I've never liked releasing something that I feel is unfinished. When the model is released, I think that it will be one of the best out there, and a big part of it is you guys' input.

well said, tercero ... both a scholar and a gentleman.

i haven't had any input/criticism/thoughts on your model, but i've read and followed the thread since it's beginning. i've been so *BLEEP* impressed with the work you are able to produce. just a little jealous ...

and you're right, when it is completed, it WILL be one of the best out there. keep up the great work. :D

cROsIs**

08-16-2002, 03:37 PM

:swear:

niko9enzo

08-16-2002, 06:19 PM

Great work Tercero!!
i havent posted till now but i´ve been reading the thread all the way... keep it up!!
its the best anakin model i´ve seen!!

by the way....would you tell me what programs are you using to make this model?? it looks great!
:D

Dr_Lazarus

08-16-2002, 06:58 PM

*turns into the Crocodile Hunter*

Gorgeous! GORGEOUS! :)

-Tercero-

08-16-2002, 10:39 PM

Okies - back from work again - had an exhausting day, but a good one - I made over $200 on top of my base pay today, so no complaints out of me...

It'll probably be another slow night for updates - I have to hit the sack soon so I can go back and do it all over again tommorrow. I'm going to try and make some progress, though.

Oh, and if anyone wants me to whip them up shots at any specific angles for critiqueing, just let me know and I'll make it happen!

Starwalker

08-16-2002, 11:20 PM

Smashing work, Ive been glued to this thread for each update lol
Great work! :)

mariners2001

08-16-2002, 11:23 PM

hey tercero,

i'd personally like to see a complete front view of anakin as I'm curious how much is done.......

-Tercero-

08-17-2002, 12:43 PM

Okies, people will be happy to know that over the last few days I've been able to shave off a couple hundred polys without making the model look much different. I'll be optimizing it a bit more over the next couple of days - my goal is to get the first lod to have 3000 polys.

Here is a BIG screenie of the new model:
http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin18.txt

or if that link doesnt work, try this one:
http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin18.txt

Oh, I also wanted to see if anyone wanted Anakin to be able to move his mouth for SP. I'td probably be pretty difficult to do - I'd more than likely release it as a patch for the model after it is released, if at all - I just wanted to get some feedback on how much people wanted this feature.

Also, I'm also probably going to release in the first pack a variant without the leather pauldrons - it should add some variety, and it'll give people a pretty good platform to make additional padawans from. I'll whip up some development skins when it's ready if anyone's interested.

All right gotta get going - tell me what you think!

SpYzEr

08-17-2002, 12:50 PM

That looks great! Keep up the good work:D

Grafox

08-17-2002, 12:51 PM

Some constructive crit. He looks to young in that last pic, like a 12 year old, make him look older :)

KBell

08-17-2002, 12:54 PM

in my opinion, i think you should release a seperate mod that enables Anakin to move his mouth, like you said, and within the same pk3 file, just add the file that converts Kyle to Anakin for SP cause im sure you will get alot of people askin for a SP one from you :p