Have the police said so, or just the media? As expected both sides are looking to cover their own a***s and nobody will do anything in the end. Turnbull should step down but the political points for Labor would be too great, to the point where the facts wouldn't matter anymore. He's should learn lesson 1, don't go shooting the mouth off without decent evidence.

True, but now Turnbull has lost a lot of credibility also. Too much ambition, they sense the public tide has turned a little but have blown it!! I mean, there are gyms being built at schools that don't have enough classrooms, thus wasting $250,000 dollars, or at schools that just built a library/gym but will build one for the sake of it, a lack of means testing schools etc. etc.: that would much much better political debate on the theme of reckless spending.

Perhaps that arguement has been neutralised by Labor's ability to show they have a plan (not completely convincing but plausible) to have the budget back in order by 2018. What we don't hear about is how much inflation will be used to devalue our assets and increase taxes without actually chaging brackets: to pay of government debt.

Get letters from concerned teachers in over worked conditions complaining about the....oh wait it's the Liberal party we are talking about here The poor state governments always had a fall guy.

But it was 'concocted by Treasury', and therefore not 'at the heart of Turnbull's office'.

I think Turnbull has a decent argument here, that he can sell:

- Rudd wanted an email produced, and it has been
- It is from Treasury
- It doesn't emanate from the Libs
- And Swan has still mislead the Parliament.

Whatever the minutiae, there is an email, and comes from the Government.

A coat of paint has been taken off Rudd. The halo has been dislodged.

No mate, he can't run an argument like this:

[last week] "Your office [the PMO] sent an email asking for influence. Resign! Resign!"
[this week]"The email is a fake, but because it came from Treasury it still proves my point, even though it's a different department and it's a forgery".
Hockey tried it this arvo, and it was dire.

Originally Posted by Redbacks

Have the police said so, or just the media? As expected both sides are looking to cover their own a***s and nobody will do anything in the end. Turnbull should step down but the political points for Labor would be too great, to the point where the facts wouldn't matter anymore. He's should learn lesson 1, don't go shooting the mouth off without decent evidence.

AFP have confirmed it's a fabrication. Of course, the argument that follows now from that is "Of course Grech then went to and from Swan's office asking for help for Grant, because the false email requested he do so". Swannie walks away Scott-free, Ruddy takes the high ground, and Malcolm, well, Malcolm's in the Middle.

And now, after the government telling the opposition they'll take as long as they want to debate whatever they want this morning, Turnbull's just moved another suspension of standing orders. It's a wonder the poor bastard can still stand up after today.

I don't understand Matt's fixation with this and his labelling of SHY as a hippie. It's a one-off circumstance and the child was removed. Sure, she should have made other arrangements but honestly, show some respect. It's not like she sat there eating the thing.

That's rubbish. I made one rant about it, then someone, SoC I think, asked a question which I answered. Hardly a fixation.

And I know you know and like Hanson-Young, but I haven't called her a hippie. I said that I thought she was very much in the wrong in this case, and the attitude typifies why I dislike the Greens - because they're not a single issue party, but rather a party whose environmental policies come attached to a bunch of over the top 'social justice' agendas.

Originally Posted by Irfan

We may not like you, your filthy rich coffers or your ratbag scum of supporters but by god do we respect you as a football team