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Re: Garnett's "jerk tour" continues with NY

Wait a minute, could KG be doing us a favor if theres no Melo on Thursday?

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Yea, I just read what KG said to Melo. I can now understand why he was so adamant to go after him, doubt that goes away quickly.

I'll also join in on the group of people who are amazed that this is how Garnett ended up. As a second year player on a post game interview he was talking about getting shoved around vs the Pacers and his big response was to say "nobody messes with big Dale". Obviously he was talking about Dale Davis.

As to all time league enforcers? That would be a great list to compile some day & I'm certain that Oakley's name would have to be mentioned. For me though Maurice Lucas is probably the name most thought of with enforcement but over the years there have been a lot.

Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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The big problem with retaliation is that this is usually the person that gets caught and takes the brunt of the punishment. Maybe if they review a specific play and can see clear instigation, but if goes back even one trip down the floor and the refs weren't on it then you are screwed.

KGs stuff and flopping are the two worst aspects that have bled into NBA ball. It's a great game when played and ref'd correctly.

This!! In NBA and NFL, usually the person retaliating gets caught.

And speaking of flopping....I thought they were gonna put a stop to that?

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For the first 3 or 4 years in the league Garnett played a lot of minutes at the three (Gugliatta was the PF) for T-Wolves and although not overly physical was an incredibly disruptive force on defense. I watched him literally swallow up Chris Mullins in one game and still manage to disrupt passing lanes, block shots off weak side help etc. etc. He had length, lateral quickness and great instincts.

Attitude wise he was always a bit of a punk but that never started showing up in his game until later years when the athleticism that made him a special player started to diminish. Too many people associate KG's style of play with the Celtics years. He was a much different type of player early in his career.

Doesn't excuse the current BS but it is how he has adapted to the mileage on the chassis. Many are also correct in saying that current players give him to much deference when he pulls this stuff. KG does not have enforcer DNA and if confronted by a true BA he couldn't back it up.

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For the first 3 or 4 years in the league Garnett played a lot of minutes at the three (Gugliatta was the PF) for T-Wolves and although not overly physical was an incredibly disruptive force on defense. I watched him literally swallow up Chris Mullins in one game and still manage to disrupt passing lanes, block shots off weak side help etc. etc. He had length, lateral quickness and great instincts.

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Imagine anyone trying anything on Oakley. Is he the toughest badass in NBA history?

Thing about Oakley was that, as a young player with the Bulls and Knicks, he was skilled too. He was a solid 13-and-13 guy from '85-'91 that shot 75% from the line for his career.

He didn't get suspended all that often... He had seven seasons where he was tied for the league lead in games played (82, except for the lockout season where he played all 50.) I with basketball-reference had stats on player ejections. If its there, can somebody show me where?

Oakley was an enforcer in the context of playing the game of basketball. He wasn't just a goon out there to hurt somebody, his team relied on his production as a player, too.

Now, we've all seen him put a shot onto somebody as the enforcer. I'm just saying that was his second job, and his first job was to play powerforward at both ends of the court.

So he belongs on the toughest badass list, but we'd never know anything about him if he wasn't also a quality ball player. Lots of other teams tried to match him with physcial guys that were tough but weren't ballplayers. Buck Williams (my favorite of that era), Oakley, even Terry Cummings who wasn't likely to cheapshot anyone but was tough as nails... in that day PFs were both skilled and tough. Today it seems most are either one or the other.

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Re: Garnett's "jerk tour" continues with NY

NBA announces New York's Carmelo Anthony suspended one game for confronting Boston's Kevin Garnett in arena tunnel this week
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Not a surprise. They had to suspend Anthony, just to make the point that any player who does that will receive a suspension.

And I have to say, I can't believe anyone thought they'd wait until after the TNT game. That might have been one of the silliest thoughts in the history of Pacers Digest. The NBA always suspends players before their next game, and no one can find an example of when they haven't. You're better posters than that.

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Yea, I just read what KG said to Melo. I can now understand why he was so adamant to go after him, doubt that goes away quickly.

I'll also join in on the group of people who are amazed that this is how Garnett ended up. As a second year player on a post game interview he was talking about getting shoved around vs the Pacers and his big response was to say "nobody messes with big Dale". Obviously he was talking about Dale Davis.

As to all time league enforcers? That would be a great list to compile some day & I'm certain that Oakley's name would have to be mentioned. For me though Maurice Lucas is probably the name most thought of with enforcement but over the years there have been a lot.

You're amazed at what he's become? He's always been this guy. Apparently you forget (or don't know) that in 99 I think? Garnett on Mother's Day as Tim Duncan was about to shoot free throws allegedly said "Happy mother's day mother ****er", now you might think he was calling Duncan a girl, but if you know Duncan's story more in depth (as KG clearly did), you would know that Duncan's mother died of cancer (apparently KG really thinks cancer is hilarious, see his comments towards Charlie V. in Detroit some 10+ years later) when he was 14, and is the reason he stayed and got his degree at Wake Forest because he had promised her he would. KG has always been a completely self centered Dbag. I'm honestly surprised Duncan didn't beat the **** out of him right then and there and rid us of another 13 years of KG being an asshat, but Duncan as he has proven since the day he entered in league is KG's superior in every way including at being a man.

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You're amazed at what he's become? He's always been this guy. Apparently you forget (or don't know) that in 99 I think? Garnett on Mother's Day as Tim Duncan was about to shoot free throws allegedly said "Happy mother's day mother ****er", now you might think he was calling Duncan a girl, but if you know Duncan's story more in depth (as KG clearly did), you would know that Duncan's mother died of cancer (apparently KG really thinks cancer is hilarious, see his comments towards Charlie V. in Detroit some 10+ years later) when he was 14, and is the reason he stayed and got his degree at Wake Forest because he had promised her he would. KG has always been a completely self centered Dbag. I'm honestly surprised Duncan didn't beat the **** out of him right then and there and rid us of another 13 years of KG being an asshat, but Duncan as he has proven since the day he entered in league is KG's superior in every way including at being a man.

No I’m not surprised he became a loudmouth blowhard I’m surprised he was able to become a physical intimidator like he has become. You have to understand when he was younger his body structure was a lot more Paul George than it was Kevin Willis.

To his credit over the years he has transformed into a rock hard physic.

Like I said I still remember the young kid who all but turned around and ran when Dale Davis gave him a look & even after the game said this word for word “nobody messes with big Dale”.

Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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but Duncan as he has proven since the day he entered in league is KG's superior in every way including at being a man.

This! Garnett has been the embodiment of "fake tough" since his first NBA game. But the single best retort to any cheap crap KG does is, I would imagine, the two words "Tim Duncan." I just love that this clown happened to play at the same time as Duncan. A guy like Garnett truly deserves to outclassed in every way possible by a rival contemporary PF. I bet it drives him absolutely nuts, the egomaniac that KG is.

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You're amazed at what he's become? He's always been this guy. Apparently you forget (or don't know) that in 99 I think? Garnett on Mother's Day as Tim Duncan was about to shoot free throws allegedly said "Happy mother's day mother ****er", now you might think he was calling Duncan a girl, but if you know Duncan's story more in depth (as KG clearly did), you would know that Duncan's mother died of cancer (apparently KG really thinks cancer is hilarious, see his comments towards Charlie V. in Detroit some 10+ years later) when he was 14, and is the reason he stayed and got his degree at Wake Forest because he had promised her he would. KG has always been a completely self centered Dbag. I'm honestly surprised Duncan didn't beat the **** out of him right then and there and rid us of another 13 years of KG being an asshat, but Duncan as he has proven since the day he entered in league is KG's superior in every way including at being a man.

Did he really? That's disgusting. When you think you can't disrespect a player more than you already do...

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I know it's popular to hate on KG, but Melo is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too thin skinned for an NBA superstar if this sort of comment causes him to overreact like that. Just tell Garnett to f off and kick his *** on the court. It's pretty stupid to hang around the Celtics' bus, which is obviously going to lead to a suspension and potentially screw your team in a crucial game against the Pacers. I'm sure Garnett has said worse things.

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And that makes it acceptable? There is a line that shouldn't be crossed and Garnett has apparently crossed it too any times. For those interested, there is a clip on TMZ (I know....) with Melo and Garnett outside the bus.

For the record, yes Garnett has said worse things. For example talking to Duncan and saying "Happy Mother's Day, mother****er" when he knew Duncan had lost his mother.