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Even if TiVo did an audit and revoked the lifetime service as you suggest, they would have to refund you the money you paid for it.

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I don't know that that is actually true, since I am not aware of a previous instance in which this type of situation has occurred, but even if true, the portion of the overall purchase price that is for the lifetime subscription is $300. That is only $99 less than the multi-service PLS price of $399.

I purchased and used a code happily, and if as a result, I'm only putting $99 at risk, I'm happy to have taken that gamble.

Having said that, I don't see it as a gamble at all. I fully expect this purchase to be 100% legit, with no problems or audits down the road...

I don't know that that is actually true, since I am not aware of a previous instance in which this type of situation has occurred, but even if true, the portion of the overall purchase price that is for the lifetime subscription is $300. That is only $99 less than the multi-service PLS price of $399.

I purchased and used a code happily, and if as a result, I'm only putting $99 at risk, I'm happy to have taken that gamble.

Having said that, I don't see it as a gamble at all. I fully expect this purchase to be 100% legit, with no problems or audits down the road...

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Do you think that TiVo does not know about the E-Bay code sales??, they know, so I do not expect TiVo is just sitting back waiting for all the codes to be used than sucker punch all the people that were not authorized to use the codes. I think this is a sneaky way to get more sales without getting the retail stores panties in a twist. (Hay; it your employees that are selling their codes, go after them not us)

I don't know that that is actually true, since I am not aware of a previous instance in which this type of situation has occurred, but even if true, the portion of the overall purchase price that is for the lifetime subscription is $300. That is only $99 less than the multi-service PLS price of $399.

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I'm saying that legally they cannot sell you a service and later decide to revoke the service you paid for without refunding you the money. If they did, you can sue them, or more likely there would be a class action lawsuit against them from everyone whose lifetime service they revoked.

For reasons posted upthread (including the stated non-transferability of the offer on which the coupons are based), I'm reluctant to use the coupons for lifetime just in case Tivo at some point audits the lifetime subscriptions purchased via the coupons, and then revokes.

Do you think that TiVo does not know about the E-Bay code sales??, they know, so I do not expect TiVo is just sitting back waiting for all the codes to be used than sucker punch all the people that were not authorized to use the codes. I think this is a sneaky way to get more sales without getting the retail stores panties in a twist. (Hay; it your employees that are selling their codes, go after them not us)

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I'm with you that I am sure that TiVo is aware of the code sales. I'm a happy purchaser of one from Spherular and do not expect any consequences down the road. My only point was that even if I was wrong, which I'm pretty sure I'm not, that that's a gamble I was obviously happy to make.

I'm saying that legally they cannot sell you a service and later decide to revoke the service you paid for without refunding you the money. If they did, you can sue them, or more likely there would be a class action lawsuit against them from everyone whose lifetime service they revoked.

I'm saying that legally they cannot sell you a service and later decide to revoke the service you paid for without refunding you the money. If they did, you can sue them, or more likely there would be a class action lawsuit against them from everyone whose lifetime service they revoked.

I'm saying that legally they cannot sell you a service and later decide to revoke the service you paid for without refunding you the money. If they did, you can sue them, or more likely there would be a class action lawsuit against them from everyone whose lifetime service they revoked.

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That makes sense, although laws don't always make sense. In any case, attempting to revoke any type of paid lifetime service would appear to be a desperate act by a company circling the toilet bowl for the last time before disappearing. I certainly hope TiVo never gets that desperate.

Apples and oranges. What you say would hold water if, when you enter the code on the TiVo website, they then displayed a full list of the terms and conditions of the sale. But they do not - they simply adjust the price and mark it as "Product bundle" pricing. Terms of sale can only be set at the time of the sale and must be an explicit part of the sales contract. Distributing restrictive terms with codes, if they did, is meaningless other than as a point of edification. They are not binding unless expressed at the point of sale.

To say that terms not noted during the sale were effective would be like your bank saying "I know the mortgage SAYS it was for 30 years, but the flyer we have in the bank says that you only get 20 years and then have to refinance for the last 10." Do you think that would fly in court? Neither would TiVo revoking lifetime service because these codes weren't supposed to be resold (again, if they stipulated such at all).

Apples and oranges. What you say would hold water if, when you enter the code on the TiVo website, they then displayed a full list of the terms and conditions of the sale. But they do not - they simply adjust the price and mark it as "Product bundle" pricing. Terms of sale can only be set at the time of the sale and must be an explicit part of the sales contract. Distributing restrictive terms with codes, if they did, is meaningless other than as a point of edification. They are not binding unless expressed at the point of sale.

To say that terms not noted during the sale were effective would be like your bank saying "I know the mortgage SAYS it was for 30 years, but the flyer we have in the bank says that you only get 20 years and then have to refinance for the last 10." Do you think that would fly in court? Neither would TiVo revoking lifetime service because these codes weren't supposed to be resold (again, if they stipulated such at all).

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You are most likely correct but until any legal theory is tested in court one never knows with 100% accuracy, TiVo not going to go that far, IMHO.

For anyone not interested in using the eBay code, Best Buy and Amazon both have the Pro discounted $100 (sale price $499) and the Plus discounted $75 (sale price $325). In the last couple months, I saved up $300 in Best Buy gift cards so going with this deal was the best option for me.

You are most likely correct but until any legal theory is tested in court one never knows with 100% accuracy, TiVo not going to go that far, IMHO.

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These are not some novel legal theories that need to be tested. These are basic contract law principles that have existed for hundreds of years. One party to a contract cannot unilaterally revoke the contract unless the contract terms specifically say they can. Not only that, but contracts written by one party are strictly construed against the writer, meaning if TiVo's written contract terms are in any way vague or open to interpretation, the non-writing party wins. AND even if TiVo could revoke the contract under the written terms of the contract, they still wouldn't get to keep all of your money, as that would constitute unjust enrichment. They would have to refund at least part of your lifetime service fee.

These are not some novel legal theories that need to be tested. These are basic contract law principles that have existed for hundreds of years. One party to a contract cannot unilaterally revoke the contract unless the contract terms specifically say they can. Not only that, but contracts written by one party are strictly construed against the writer, meaning if TiVo's written contract terms are in any way vague or open to interpretation, the non-writing party wins. AND even if TiVo could revoke the contract under the written terms of the contract, they still wouldn't get to keep all of your money, as that would constitute unjust enrichment. They would have to refund at least part of your lifetime service fee.

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You are correct in most cases but in the past some (very few) contracts have been voided because the court decided they were too unfair to one party. Badly written prenuptial contracts is one easy example to find.

You are correct in most cases but in the past some (very few) contracts have been voided because the court decided they were too unfair to one party. Badly written prenuptial contracts is one easy example to find.

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Which could not apply in this case. TiVo is setting the contract terms and so can not ask the court to void the contract because it is unfair to them.

The fact that people that TiVo did not intend to use these codes did use these codes may be the part that is unfair to TiVo.

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They should have explicitly made them non-transferable. OTOH, except for the logistics of the transfer, how is this any different from the original coupon recipient buying the TiVo and then selling it to someone else?