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Any Vet's out there to help with this question, our dogs do not suffer or gasp for air, they just go to sleep.....what do you use?

Not a vet, but apparently the drugs used for killing are manufactured in Europe, which does not have the death penalty and disapproves of ours so they won't sell them to us (but presumably will to vets, if they are the same drugs (I don't know if they are). This was in Sunday's Washington Post op ed, that opined it's time to get rid of the "cruel and inhumane" death penalty as a reaction to the Oklahoma incident. And again, no mention of the inhumanities done to the victims.

Life and death experiences. Loved family members dying ( and you taking care of them as they go into their death rattle ). Being dead broke and having to pick up empty beer cans to get enough money to eat. Children growing up with less values than you have. No hand outs from uncle sam for you or your family. You hoe that corn and hand pick those tater bugs. I'm sorry but you sound just like some of my younger family members. When and if you and your spouse ever lose a pregnancy that you have longed for for years in the time frame where you think it is not a human................then talk to us about it not being a human at that point in time. Too much stuff to tell you on here plus I want to do other things with my time. I have a spike buck ( actually has one fork this year ) I need to watch My gourds need work around them ( which may never get done at this rate ). And last but not least my Bible tells my not to despise you in your youth ( I'm having a very difficult time of that in your case lately ).

I lost family members and people very close to me. Wife had 2 mis-carriages. I have lived in my vehicle and homeless when I got divorced, so I could provide my 2 children that we did have. the 2 miscarriages, I just chocked it up to timing. Time wasn't right, or there was something that was not going to be right if it came to term. Body's way of telling us that something wasn't right is what my wife at the time told me. I am not as young as you may think, younger than you, yes, but I'm pushing 50 so I have plenty of life experiences, and I never took a handout from anyone. I did what I had to do to survive and provide for my 2 girls, that are now grown and have given me 4 grandbabies with another due in September.

Genesis 2 :7 tell us when life begins and when soul enters the body . There are hundreds of other verses that build precept upon precept on this subject. Do a word study on breath life from the bible if your really interested.
He tells us what part he formed, what part he made and what part he created.
I Thessalonians 5 :23
Look it up
According to the word it is a closed case when a fetus becomes a human being.

The word explains in details all of these.
Thats if you really want to know
Pete

I lost family members and people very close to me. Wife had 2 mis-carriages. I have lived in my vehicle and homeless when I got divorced, so I could provide my 2 children that we did have. the 2 miscarriages, I just chocked it up to timing. Time wasn't right, or there was something that was not going to be right if it came to term. Body's way of telling us that something wasn't right is what my wife at the time told me. I am not as young as you may think, younger than you, yes, but I'm pushing 50 so I have plenty of life experiences, and I never took a handout from anyone. I did what I had to do to survive and provide for my 2 girls, that are now grown and have given me 4 grandbabies with another due in September.

I feel sorry for you, Shiny. Just can't understand you though.

charly

"To become competent in governing others, we must first learn to govern ourselves"
Waite Phillips

Genesis 2 :7 tell us when life begins and when soul enters the body . There are hundreds of other verses that build precept upon precept on this subject. Do a word study on breath life from the bible if your really interested.
He tells us what part he formed, what part he made and what part he created.
I Thessalonians 5 :23
Look it up
According to the word it is a closed case when a fetus becomes a human being.

The word explains in details all of these.
Thats if you really want to know
Pete

That says nothing as to when breath was put into the nostrils. That's wide open for interpretation. I have asked my friends that are religious and read the bible, they have told me things about the greatness and all that jazz. I just ask them, "Why doesn't he wave his hand and fix all this BS if he has the power to do that?" Show me something to make me believe right now. Make this extra weight disappear and put me back into wrestling condition with just the wave of a hand. I am still waiting. Until something shows me that this "GOD" really exists and has all these great powers, sorry, I ain't buyin it.

That says nothing as to when breath was put into the nostrils. That's wide open for interpretation. I have asked my friends that are religious and read the bible, they have told me things about the greatness and all that jazz. I just ask them, "Why doesn't he wave his hand and fix all this BS if he has the power to do that?" Show me something to make me believe right now. Make this extra weight disappear and put me back into wrestling condition with just the wave of a hand. I am still waiting. Until something shows me that this "GOD" really exists and has all these great powers, sorry, I ain't buyin it.

Did you do an extensive word study on the word " breath" and soul " ?
I thought so.
God can't fix things because he is a just God. It rains on the just and unjust alike. Adam transferred dominion over the earth to Satin because of the Fall. It had to be done or man could not be redeemed. Anyway II Corinthians 4:4 speaks of the "god "of this world, and because of which we now have sickness and death. Its really quite simple to see the reality of it if you put in the time and effort. JC is the believers mediator,, Other than that people are just blowing bubbles,
people can believe as they wish,,, I just respond to these things because its my job as a christian to make sure the some of the bullshit round here doesn't stick and lead the good guys astray.. Ha ha!
Pete

Did you do an extensive word study on the word " breath" and soul " ?
I thought so.
God can't fix things because he is a just God. It rains on the just and unjust alike. Adam transferred dominion over the earth to Satin because of the Fall. It had to be done or man could not be redeemed. Anyway II Corinthians 4:4 speaks of the "god "of this world, and because of which we now have sickness and death. Its really quite simple to see the reality of it if you put in the time and effort. JC is the believers mediator,, Other than that people are just blowing bubbles,
people can believe as they wish,,, I just respond to these things because its my job as a christian to make sure the some of the bullshit round here doesn't stick and lead the good guys astray.. Ha ha!
Pete

According to some folks, he created the world/earth and all things. If he has that power, he could easily fix it with a wave of the hand. Isn't he supposed to come back and kill everything sometime? I am that guy in the bible that wanted to touch him. That would be me. Come show me, and I will believe, until then, sorry.

According to some folks, he created the world/earth and all things. If he has that power, he could easily fix it with a wave of the hand. Isn't he supposed to come back and kill everything sometime? I am that guy in the bible that wanted to touch him. That would be me. Come show me, and I will believe, until then, sorry.

The day will come when you will call for him and he will be there for you!