Sunday, July 17, 2011

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Sounds like Bullshit to me...

The author doesn't state any official sources for this information. He also doesn't give the names of the folks he's quoting (throughout the article). He skirts this by saying things like... "according to the press rep"... and "she said". Based on that, and the photo of the author himself (LOL)... I seriously doubt the legitimacy of this information... but, at any rate, check this out! LOL

Tom, I've said before, if such a travesty since the likes of OJ Simpson has yet again occurred, I've finally decided that Pat & Leslie should be free.

Are they nutjobs for life?

I think that Pat Krenwinkle was screwed up big time by Charlie, and after the years, she has shown true remorse. I think that the only reason she hasn't been released was because she did actually do some gruesome things in these murders. But I don't think she's dangerous now.

Leslie? I think she's a sociopath who has never felt remorse, who has only used men to get out, who never really felt she did anything wrong, who has always blamed Charlie for everything.

Now...is Leslie dangerous? The only reason I don't think so is because she's too old to be. She's be in so long, I sincerely doubt that if she did get out, she'd do anything to jeopardize her freedom. I think she's that smart.

Casey Anthony is much more dangerous than either of these women. And that's a fact. Casey is still young enough to kill people and her first victim was only 2 years old. The next victim might be a boyfriend that pisses her off.

What's she doing now? She's only thinking about herself. It's only me, me, me with this bitch.

She didn't get punished like Pat & Leslie. Makes a BIG difference. She knows there aren't consequences for her actions. She's learned that. The legal system works for her. She's laughing all the way to the bank.

>>>To answer Katie - I'm not saying that Tex was behind LaBianca. I don't believe that's the case here but Tex was the guy who carried out the deed, but someone had to handle Nader on his behalf and that's where Manson took the others on a ride.>>>

Okay, you say that Tex was "championing Linda" at the Tate house because of a "drug burn", or whatever event occurred.

Let's look back. A month before, in July 1969, Tex left his "then" girlfriend at Bernard Crowe's place and when she was threatened, he said "I'm outta here. I'll catch y'all on the back side".

But suddenly, in August of 1969, he was ready to "kill for his woman".

I find that ludicrous.

If Tex was so enamored with Linda and willing to kill for her, why didn't he kill Charlie? Linda claims that she was "scared to death" of him.

Can you explain that one?

This lean, mean, killing machine that would kill anyone in the world who hurt "Linda", should have killed Charlie. Because she was afraid of him.

>>>>Okay, you say that Tex was "championing Linda" at the Tate house because of a "drug burn", or whatever event occurred.<<<<

YES - That is exactly what i'm saying and that is the truth.

>>>Let's look back. A month before, in July 1969, Tex left his "then" girlfriend at Bernard Crowe's place and when she was threatened, he said "I'm outta here. I'll catch y'all on the back side".

But suddenly, in August of 1969, he was ready to "kill for his woman".

I find that ludicrous.<<<<

What this shows is that Tex was off doing his own thing, with Linda and with Susan.

Linda's own testimony shows that she was very into Tex Watson sexually. There was an emotional and physical bond.

Hence ..... Salindar Nader.

>>>If Tex was so enamored with Linda and willing to kill for her, why didn't he kill Charlie? Linda claims that she was "scared to death" of him.

Can you explain that one? <<<<

Come on, that's a ridiculous question that has nothing to do with anything. That could apply to any member of the group who claimed to be "Afraid" of Manson.

What i've been trying to get people to do is to take a close look at Nader and ask yourself WHY anyone would want this guy dead and, more importantly, on the very same night as the LaBianca murders.

There's enough evidence here to make the connection that Watson and Kasabian were emotionally and sexually Involved.

That brings us to Frykowski, Kasabian, Nader. - ALL of these, including Bernard Crowe spawned from TEX WATSON.

I will say that OVER and OVER again because that's what it is.

The Larry King interview also showed Linda having fond thoughts about Tex Watson and even smiling when Larry mentioned his name. Buglisoi was also there holding his own bayonette to Linda's back just to make sure that she doesn't sing off key.

Do you understand what i'm saying?

It's all there, in the open and it proves what even TJ had told to Bill Nelson about TEX being the one who did the Tate killings as well as the drug burn on Bernard Crowe and TJ, as far as im concerend, is a reputable witness.

>>>>Ah montrer. I disagree. Why is that ridiculous??? Why does that have nothing to do with anything??

If you say that TEX was IN CHARGE, that means he's IN CHARGE of Charlie.

Does it not???<<<<

I said that Tex was running his own drug enterprise that was independant of Manson's oversight. We KNOW this to be factual.

Bernard Crowe is PROOF that Charles Manson was not aware of Tex Watson's "Business". In fact, it was TJ who answered the phone at Spahn Ranch where an angry Lottsapoppa asked for "Charlie" - TJ thought he meant MANSON because TJ knew Watson as "TEX".

That how Manson got involved in the Bernard Crowe incident to begin with. This was something that TJ told Geraldo Rivera, with Bill Nelson in attendance, but, like You, Geraldo went into his little song and dance routine and tried to discredit TJ.

The trend is there for all to see and Watson was very much his own man before the murders took place.

If you link Watson and Kasbian together, the fog of war begins to lift.

Watson to handle LaBianca while Manson takes a few others to handle Nader.

Mind you that Manson wasn't going to get his hands dirty. As with Tate, that was someone else's mess.

LaBianca had to happen first because it was a time-triggered event. That was the primary objective and it was also a coordinated event.

The killers would be completely alone with their victims, they could eat, shower, pick out something nice to wear, paint the walls red with blood, do some mutilations and leave when they were all freshened up.

>>>>Leslie? I think she's a sociopath who has never felt remorse, who has only used men to get out, who never really felt she did anything wrong, who has always blamed Charlie for everything.<<<<

Used Men? That's so Bohemian of you. It makes a person feel dirty inside.

As Shakespere says, "The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves".

>>>Casey Anthony is much more dangerous than either of these women. And that's a fact. Casey is still young enough to kill people and her first victim was only 2 years old. The next victim might be a boyfriend that pisses her off.<<<<

In my opinion, Casey Anthony has an excellent future as a FEMA Camp Commandant.

>>>>What's she doing now? She's only thinking about herself. It's only me, me, me with this bitch.<<<<

Jim said:>>>>"I can see that i'm just wasting my time looking through audios for Tex Watson material.Casey Anthony is the new Susan Atkins.Now, back to sports and weather.Adios dummies".<<<<

Jim, calling people dummies, was un-necessary.

You just posted the audio footage earlier today.I haven't even been home all day... maybe others haven't either.

Moreover... Casey Anthony has been a steady topic here for a while...one which Katie has perpetuated... and, although I myself, have also completely tired of the topic... it's not necessary to call folks dummies.

Tom's defnitely not a trouble-maker, and has a right to make a joke, and initiate conversation... whether it's a topic either of us is personally interested in, or not.

Tom may not have even read the previous thread.Some folks don't visit every day... and read every comment.

Tone it down a few notches... it's all cool cats in here.

Well... it has been, until recently when Poirot morphed into someone I don't recognize.

They lived as "One". Being "One" involved letting your ego die so there was none of that present there.

>>>>There can't be 2 men in charge.

You can't say Charlie was in charge of most things, and Tex was in charge of drugs.

Either..or...was in charge of both.<<<<

There was nobody officialy "In Charge" of anything.

People there at the ranch looked up to Charlie and even TJ said the very same thing. If anything he was more like a big brother to them.

He played guitar, sang, and tried to get his music published and his message out. He almost accomplihed that all on his own and through his connection to Dennis Wilson.

>>>>You say Tate was all about Tex.<<<<

Yes, i certainly do.

>>>>Then why did all the girls testify that Charlie said "go with Tex and do what Tex says".<<<<

Because Watson told Manson what happened with Frykowski and that "HE" (Being Tex) was going to settle it.

Keep in mind that Beausoleil had already fucked up on his issue with Hinman and Charlie didn't want to get involved with that.

This ties directly into what Manson told Geraldo when Susan came back and told him what happened up there. It was quite obvious that Manson was not pleased about what went down.

I've already gotten into the house and how it was handled and how there was almost nothing written in blood there. It's not at all like what previously happened at Hinman where the intent was to blame the black panthers.

>>>>If Tate was just a "revenge killing" because of some drug burn about Linda...why kill Parent and Sharon???<<<

Why kill Marina Habe?

Why wasn't the Guest House searched? This goes into the role of Mr Garretson which is still not fully known.

When Tex went up to that house and did the deed, there was alot of anger in those attacks. It was brutal. The overkill tactics on Frykowski and Folger alone are enough to indicate that this was "Personal" in nature.

This ties into the Jeanne Mallett testimony where she was asked the question:"Was he (Referring to Tex) kind of aggressive" and her reply was "Yes".

This is quite contrary to the "Happy go Lucky" image that Barbara Hoyt tried to paint about Tex Watson.

Tex only brought those people with him who had a close personal association with Linda Kasabian.

There was plenty of room in that car for more people but i honestly believe that Tex was expecting light resistance as indicated by the small amout of rope he used and the fact that his murder companions were female.

>>>>Because as far as I know, Charlie never lost control.<<<<

That's not true. People were coming and going and the need to get to the desert was more imperative.

>>>During the trials, Tex was way off in Texas, not saying anything.<<<

That's right. So all the media had to focus on was Manson and the girls and Susan's Grand Jury Testimony that was mysteriously leaked to the press.

This was during the trials and it was a show of SOLIDARITY on everyone's part to stand with Manson. The trial was complete horseshit. People were threatened to lie by the DA and all kinds of sleezy deals were made to get people to testify.

MANSON was the target. Justice came 2nd.

TEX WATSON WAS NOT EVEN THERE !WTF !!

The trial was a JOKE and it wasn't taken seriously by anybody.

Judge Olders daughter went to school with Patricia Kreninkel - Nobody said boo about that.

It was all about getting a conviction of Charles Manson for the murder of Sharon Tate - nevermind if Tex isn't around.

What a crock of shit.

Can you blame these family members for backing Charlie in DEFIANCE of this ridiculous court proceeding?

They stood together, in good times and in bad, and they did what they had to do to call attention to this charade of a trial.

You have to jump off of doing what Bugliosi had done in blaming Manson for everything.

You can't blame Manson and excuse Tex Watson.

Tex Watson's actions, starting with Bernard Crowe, clearly shows that this cat was off and running and Manson literally walked into this one and actually ended up saving that girls life. She would have surely been raped and killed had Manson not gone there to clean up Tex's mess.

>>>>Well Jimmy, I know of your love for Leslie, and I can't help thinking that you think that Tex felt the same love. I told you befoer that she's a user.<<<<

You're takling about 2 unrelated items.

I showed you a piece of testimony that PROVES that Linda kasabian was infatuated with Tex Watson from a sexual and perhaps emotional standpoint and you refuse to accept it.

Listen, that's fine. You don't have to accept it, but it's there. It's a documented FACT.

>>>An unrequited love. A love that can't be touched.<<<

I have no idea where you're coming from with this.

>>>>That love never existed between Linda & Tex. So they had a good "horizontal mamba". So what.<<<

How do you know that for sure?

To this day, Linda Kasabian won't speak badly about Tex as shown on Larry King,

Back in the day, she sure had feelings for the guy.

>>>>>Jesus how many times has that cunt had sex???? She's spit out at least 4 kids?

She wasn't in love with Tex.<<<<

Love, Infatuation ... it's all the same thing.

As Deborah Frazier had said, murder is sometimes caused by a crime of passion.

>>>I don't care how many tapes you come up with.<<<<

I shouldnt have to come up with anything. It should be quite obvious that there's something there.

All i can is, based on my own perception, is that people are very locked into theor own vision of what happened and are reluctant to view things from a different angle.

If you're blaming Manson for everything, then i'm just totally wasting my time here. Seriously.

Not that it really matters now, 41 or 42 years later. i really could give a rats ass about rewriting history.

I just want Mr Watson to get the long overdue attention that he so richly deserves.

That's MY motive for stiring up the mud here.

I told you how Tex was behaving prior to the murders and you keep inisting that Manson is in charge when Watson was clearly off doing his own thing. I can't help you there if you hold onto Manson as the root cause.

Skynyd, i like your blog. Your members are a swell bunch of people but i've grown tired of swimming upstream.

It's not worth my time to try and make people open their eyes and look at the details a little closer.

I wanted people to focus on Watson and on Kasabian because that's where the real foundation of this horror is.

Listen, that's my 2 cents.

The books keep coming but the bullshit never ends.

I go with what TJ told to Bill Nelson because TJ makes a hell of alot of sense and he knew Manson up close and personal.

If you can't acknowledge the mindset of Tex Watson at the time of the murders, then you're dropping the ball.

Tex was running his own little drug operation at that time. He wasn't selling wigs anymore. He was moving up in the world.

What can you do?

All i can say is that it's been a fun little visit but i still you think you guys are way out in left field by just outright rejecting the Watson/Kasabian connection.

Nader was no fluke. All the guy did was have sex with Linda so that really narrows down the playing field.

I'll see if i can find wonder woman's golden lariot on Ebay. It may come in handy one day.

Wow... you're very observant.Photos 2 and 6, do indeed, look like the same exact room, in different stages of "remodeling".They both have the same wallpaper and carpet... and yes, the bars on the right wall, are essentially being "walled-in" (covered), in the sixth photo.

I wasn't home all day today... and I just wanted to get the photos up on the blog.But, I'm going to be doing some digging in the coming days, regarding these photos... and, I'll definitely get back to you, with any further information.

In the meanwhile, if anyone else has information... please contribute.Kimchi is usually very good with this stuff.

Jim said:>>>>"They can say whatever they want to. I could care less. It won't change anything on my end.The sun will rise, John Waters will still be an asshole that cashed in a good friend and i'll just keep making money while the economy and the country goes to hell.Doesn't phase me skynyrd. Not one bit".<<<<

Wharf Rat said:>>>>"And the chick must be the interior designer. If only those mattressescould talk. Besides the STD's they hold, they could probably tell us everything we want to know about the murders"!<<<<

AHahahaha

"Murders solved by mattress". LOLOL

That girl better find a different photo, to advertise her "interior design" service!AHahahaha

The perpetrators and the victims all knew each other in one way or another. This was not random killings. There are much sense in what Hippie Scholar says. I don´t think Manson was behind the murders. That HELTER SKELTER thing was a smokescreen and that smokescreen was the only way to tie Manson to the deeds.Anyway here is a small clip when Manson confess he had met Sharon Tate before. He claims he met her at Dennis Wilson´s place and also at Elvis place. If Manson was around then it´s not so far- fetched assuming he had some of his friends with him; but Manson don´t snitch. Manson and his friends was often invited to partys with Hollywood celebrities. But of course after the murders not many wold admit that. Neil Young was one of the few that confessed he had been together with Manson. Manson also did audition for Young who thought he had talent.Allegedly Neil Young also gave Manson a motorcycle; but I don´t know that for sure.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4hbzRFOH38&feature=related

And the chick must be the interior designer. If only those mattressescould talk. Besides the STD's they hold, they could probably tell us everything we want to know about the murders!>>>>>

So true! That's how i feel about the rocks on the slope directly across the road...in the upper left quarter of the Spahn photo, to the right of the left telephone pole...the rock slope with the v shape in the center of it....if only those rocks could talk and tell us what happened just before the old Ford rolled out of there on the night of August 8, 1969.

Unlike nearly everything else on that side of the road, they're unchanged from 1969 and haven't been disturbed.

We always see the same aerial photo of Spahn from across the front, so this is an unusual view and great blown up a bit. Thank you.

Marliese said...How about that lovely trailer. Wonder if that's the trailer where Sadie watched tv news reports of the slaughter at Cielo on Saturday morning.

mr poroit replies:

the tv trailer was next to Georges house. Dunno if that is taken from inside the tv trailer. The Family did have access to tv and news. they weren't cut off from the world as is sometimes claimed. They were very aware of current events. They were atypical from most cults.

Jimmy, it seems to me that there is a growing group of people pushing this theory that Tex was in charge of everything. I know it's probably rooted in the desire to get Charlie out of prison.

Personally, I don't know what he'd do if he got out. I guess he could collect social security and get medicaire, as long as that lasts. He's at the age now where he's gonna need more and more care in his final days.

Anyway...I just don't buy this picture of Charlie as the little "Oliver-type" and Tex as the "evil Mr. Fagan".

I don't subscribe to the Helter Skelter motive. I've said that before.

Hippie, Sorry i refered to you as an idiot. Kimchi, I dont mean to add to any mean spirited dialog that would keep people away from Lynyrds blog. Being ond of Lynyrd & his blog i felt Hippie was rude to him but that is because i didnt understand their long running relationship. In the future i will disagree in a polite fashion.

Lynyrd I don't know what that gizmo is. There appears to be a screen door leaning to the far left. This must have been the room where all the "junk" went.

Well....come to think of it, did they have anything that wasn't junk?? HA HA.

I posted earlier that Charlie could probably collect Social Security. I don't even know if he could do that. You have to work and pay in to get any back, and other than a few odd jobs, he's never worked in his life.

As long as folks don't blatantly insult others, for no apparent cause... I'm good.

As I told one person via e-mail:It's a public blog, and I can't control who visits, or what they post... nor would I want to.

When you get into "comment moderation", and "private blog" stuff... it always sucks.

Who wants to post a comment... and wait 2 hours for the administrator to "approve" it?Your comment posts 2 hours after you write it. It sucks.Folks like to blog in "real time".Besides... I don't need that kinda work.

Hopefully, if everyone can stay 'cool"... it won't come to that.

Also... I haven't had to ask anyone to leave yet... and, that's preferrable.I don't want to be "the bad guy".

Folks... let's all just exercise common courtesy, regardless of who walks through the door.

As I always say:"If I only allowed the folks here, whom I agree with 100% of the time... I'd be here alone"! LOLOL(Funny, but true)

Thanks... Lynyrd

PS... I'm not addressing you specifically Bob... just talking in general terms.

MrPoirot said...>>>>Marliese said...How about that lovely trailer. Wonder if that's the trailer where Sadie watched tv news reports of the slaughter at Cielo on Saturday morning.

mr poroit replies:

the tv trailer was next to Georges house. Dunno if that is taken from inside the tv trailer. The Family did have access to tv and news. they weren't cut off from the world as is sometimes claimed. They were very aware of current events. They were atypical from most cults.<<<<

Hi, i'm not sure what you mean by inside. I was referring to the fifth photo...the travel trailer.

Now that you say the tv trailer was next to George's house, there does appear to be a trailer next to George's house...in the spahn photo enlarged. So the travel trailer in this photo just may have been the trailer next to George's house and may be where Sadie watched the news. And where Hoyt watched tv also.

Marliese, I can't make out a trailer in the aerial photo of Spahn's. Can you tell me where you're seeing the trailer next to George's house? That could be very well where she heard the news reports on Cielo Drive the next morning.

Katie said?|>>>>Marliese, I can't make out a trailer in the aerial photo of Spahn's. Can you tell me where you're seeing the trailer next to George's house? That could be very well where she heard the news reports on Cielo Drive the next morning. <<<<<<

Hi Katie, blow up the aerial of the ranch and go to the phone pole in the upper left...just beneath there is what looks like a trailer...it's next to the house, and there's a car parked in front of it. Do you see it?

Okay if nobody is talking about the case I'm getting back to the big "C". And I mean a four letter word that starts with a "C" and ends with a "T". HA HA.

Well, Casey's attorney offered the Anthony's, Casey's parents, to be a "decoy" on her escape.

They quickly refused. Of all the nerve. Well...I guess her parents were good for something. To be a shield if someone started shooting.

You know, OJ got acquitted. We all knew he was guilty. But the defense shot holes in all the prosecution's theories and ended up with the biggest mess of all.

And OJ ended up, like Karma suggests, back in prison for good.

Because people who think they "got away with it" will do anything they want. They think they're "above the law".

Now if you wanna talk about Robert Blake...that's a different story.

His wife was a USER and a LOSER. She had scammed many men before she married Robert (don't know why he even married her) and then had a kid with him to "seal the deal". If he ever booted her, she could get child support.

Bonnie Lee Blakely. That woman wasn't worth killing. Read up on her if you haven't.

I don't know if Robert Blake did it or not, but I do know that there were 100's of people who would have liked to. There was a long line of people.

Back to Casey...

Like so many have pointed out...if Bugliosi had prosecuted her, she'd been given the death penalty.

Marliese said:Elvis had a house in Los Angeles...bought in the early '60s when he was making movies. Priscilla lived in it also. If Charlie says he was there, i think he's telling tales.I´m not so sure about that. He could very well been at Evis place at a party;that dosen´t mean necessarily that Elvis was home.I think Manson is more truthful than you would expect from a jailbird. Manson dosen´t have to lie or brag about his involvement with the rich and famous because he is not really interested in that kind of life. It was those kind of people that wanted to have Manson at their homes and partys. It was fashionable in those days to be together with an outlaw. Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys is a typical exampel of that. But Manson in the end rejected that kind of lifestyle.Manson: "I don´t trye to go up town and be something fancy, I can, but I find more truth in the world that I live in than the tinsel."

Katie said:>>>>"If Casey Anthony can kill her kid and get away with it...I can say dyke and get away with it.AND...you can say anything you want on this blog and get away with it.I'm tearing down the curtain of tyranny.You can say anything fucking thing you want on this blog, and any whinny ass fucker that doesn't like it can suck a light socket!"<<<<

My Reply:

"you can say anything you want on this blog and get away with it"?

Is that right?Do tell.

Katie, much as I like you... your nocturnal rants (which you always delete by morning)... are becoming impossible to defend.You're REALLY pushing the envelope.

I've addressed this issue 3 FUCKING times.

I've already given you WAY more lee-way than I would EVER afford anyone else.

You can say anything fucking thing you want on this blog, and any whinny ass fucker that doesn't like it can suck a light socket!

It's a bit like learning to live with your neighbours, Katie. Sure you can say whatever you want to them (within the law, that is) but if you piss them off don't expect to be able to touch them for a cup of sugar when you need it.

What I'm saying is do your thing, but do it with a little respect for others. Respect the otherness of people who don't share your values without cussing them to hell. Throwing your toys out of the pram helps no one.

bobby said...>>>>once again, I apologise to Jim for calling him an idiot. I felt i was sticking up for Lynyrd at the time. I will let my short blog history speak for itself as far as how i treated people.Lynyrd did say something when i did it. He emailed me and asked me not to engage in that manner.

I must admit that there are many things i would like to say on this subject. I know it it would be just sour grapes though.I will say that i have a new understanding for St. Circumstance. My blog hero.out.Bob. >>>>>

Hi Bob, your blog history does speak for itself...you're very generous and nice to others..like Katie said, one of the nicest bloggers around.

i know just what you mean that you'd like to say more but it would sound like sour grapes.

Anyway, your apology to Jim was fair and generous and you know, it's not like what you said wasn't unprovoked, you were being loyal to your friend....and that's admirable and worthwhile. Don't be too hard on yourself.

George Carlin, God rest his salty soul. He had a way of looking at the worst and stupidest aspects of humanity, not just funny, but humble. You knew he was usually talking about himself as much as anyone. He made it so easy to laugh at your own dumb behavior. I miss getting his take on current events.

Hey Lynyrd, thanks for restoring sanity here. As i've said elsewhere, the illusion of anonymity online can lead people to act a fool sometimes. It's a drag, and i like that this blog has been open and friendly. Good leadership can be a crappy job, but it makes a difference. You are appreciated.

As for what we "can" say; I've always figured you can measure yourself by what you do when you think no one's looking. It's not about what's allowed to say, we are all free all the time. But what do your words say about you? When given the chance to have your say, what have you got? If it's just an opportunity to abuse others and spew venom with impunity, that says something about you, to me. It colors everything else you say, in my eyes. I really value the way the internet allows me to exchange ideas with a wide array of people. In a forum like this, your ideas are your face - not your race, gender, age, looks, or any other accident of genetics. At least, it c a n be that way; and that's what i want from blogging. I am not looking for a place where i can be shitty and get away with it.

Too many places for that as it is, IMHO.

That's my two cents, (and I used "you" in the general sense, not directed at anyone in particular).

I'm really not sure where this whole thing de-railed... but, if i did anything to offend you, I apologize.

You know I think the world of you as a blogger, and more importantly, as a person.

Jim called me "Geraldo" and "tabloid", and in-turn, you called him an "idiot" (on my behalf).

In the grand scheme of things... very small potatoes... and as I said already... I know your intentions were good.

I have the undesirable task, of trying to keep everyone happy... while simultaneously... trying to keep everyone from killing each other.Unfortunately, at times, it gets overwhelming... and I sometimes say the wrong things... to the wrong people.I'd probably do well, to just keep my mouth shut sometimes... and let nature take it's course.Even when I do that... someone will get upset, and say I'm "condoning".

Believe me Bob... what you see on-blog is only the half of it.

At any rate, if you're upset with me for any reason... I apologize.

Like I said a couple threads back... it's always been an absolute pleasure having you around.

I am finally heading out there this spring to check all these sites out for myself ( dragging Mrs. Circumstance along for the trip though lol )

I am looking most forward to the Canyon as I have great love for those bands and those times... it is just as much that which attracts me to this period- as the Manson case which ironically crosses over in some ways.

We are staying at the Chateau Marmount lol so I am just a walk away ...

Don't laugh - "The Vejtables" - yes, that was their name - they had a good gimmick - a female drummer with a great voice - Jan Errico - she left and joined up with the Mojo Men, who got a hit off Steven Still's "Sit down I think I love you" - my cousin however, was the male harmonica player...LOL..you can see their old videos on you tube..

Is Charles Manson really gonna have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame????

Can someone... anyone... please confirm, or dis-prove this for us?

Well... if it's true...I for one, am kinda happy for Manson. LOL

Heck... after a life of total misery, maybe he'll get a "kick" out of it. LOLWhat the hell... throw the guy a bone for once.Maybe he'll finally make peace with society.And... I always thought he was a creative songwriter, and have enjoyed some of his earlier music.

Didn't Debra Tate take-up a collection for a Hollywood Star for Sharon... which never happened, or some shit? LOL

The article says "The honored celebrity has always been required to appear in person at the special inductee ceremony where his or her star was being placed, but the board will waive the rules for Manson. "We don't expect Corcoran State Prison to let Charlie attend his ceremony in Hollywood, and we've heard that he wouldn't be interested in coming even if he was allowed."

That's interesting that Charlie wouldn't be interested in attending the ceremony even if he could. You'd think he'd eat that up.

Stars on the walk of fame are not awarded they are purchased. They cost $25K. Absolute Vodka has a star on the walk of fame. Having a star aint what it used to be. Sorta like the heisman trophy. it used to be a big deal. Now I don't even pay attention who wins it since OJ defiled the award. And no, OJ does not mean Orlando Justice.

Kimchi said:>>>>"Sorry to be off topic LS..but it started out with the Paul Revere, and I think Mark Lindsey used to live at Cielo, so I'm only veering a little :)"<<<<

Folks can share recipes for all I care.As long as folks are having fun, and making friends... I'm good.

Although... I could do without hearing "Casey Anthony's" name, for a while.It was a great discussion originally... but, I'm totally on overload at this point.If someone successfully sues her for a million dollars, or she dies in a car fire... I wanna know.Short of that... I'm pretty good on the subject. LOL

Mr. Poirot said>>>>Stars on the walk of fame are not awarded they are purchased. They cost $25K. Absolute Vodka has a star on the walk of fame. Having a star aint what it used to be. Sorta like the heisman trophy. it used to be a big deal. Now I don't even pay attention who wins it since OJ defiled the award. And no, OJ does not mean Orlando Justice.<<<<<<

Yes, the stars pay, but it's not like any celebrity with the money can go buy one. There is a nomination/application process and stars are awarded...with consideration for certain criteria...their history of charitable activities for one example. The star can't nominate himself/herself, and not everyone nominated is accepted.

It used to be $15,000, then 25,000 and now is 30,000. Celebrities with walk of fame stars don't have a problem with the fee. It's still an honor and a respected tradition for many in Hollywood, and brings a lot of publicity.

We were in Hollywood for the Rod Stewart and Stevie Nicks concert at the Hollywood Bowl in April, had dinner before the concert in the Hollywood and Highland Center...and right in front on Hollywood Blvd was Rod Stewart’s star! It was fun, we were on the way to see him, and there was his star. I loved it! It's Hollywood!

And then...we walked around the back of the Hollywood and Highland complex to get the shuttle to the bowl but we were too early so decided to walk. Lo and behold, I looked up and there was the Magic Castle...OMG...a Tate LaBianca site and we're on the way to see Rod Stewart. The site of the infamous apt, where Tex says they used to get stoned and watch what was going on next door at the Castle is now a sweeping lawn and parking lot for the Magic Castle. But Hollywood is old...some of the sidewalks and street areas worn...so it's very easy to see where the apts had been. Seeing the Castle and the surrounding area, I thought of it for a moment but no way was I going to let thoughts of evil Tex Watson interfere with Rod Stewart under the stars at the Hollywood Bowl!

Some of Hollywood is cleaned up. I worked in Hollywood about 10 years ago and you had to walk over the homeless to get to work. Still not one of my favorite places.

Have you been to the Magic Castle Marliese? I have gone twice and it is amazing. They have a strict dress code but it is alot of fun. Going back to another discussion, there is a great Columbo episode where Peter Falk is investigating Jack Cassidy- Jach's character performs magic at the Magic Castle.

Lynn said...>>>>>Have you been to the Magic Castle Marliese? I have gone twice and it is amazing. They have a strict dress code but it is alot of fun. Going back to another discussion, there is a great Columbo episode where Peter Falk is investigating Jack Cassidy- Jach's character performs magic at the Magic Castle.>>>>

Hi Lynn, no, we've never been there, i'm glad to hear how amazing it is... i'd actually forgotten it was even in that area. The shuttle for the Bowl is behind the Kodak Theater, so we just walked up to Franklin, and all of a sudden, there it was in front of us...all lit up, and very, very beautiful. Really has a lot of presence!

ITS ME SAINT C on my wifes notebook or whateve3r you call a small laptop-

We just checkin in at Atlantis in the Bahamas....

George and Cindy Anthony were immediately in front of us on line...

Have pics- will add more when I get back early next week.....

They were with another couple who I speoke with briefly as one of them was wearing a Bay Hill shirt- as my mther lives in that Orlando community as well- but I did not ackowledge that I knew the Anthony's...

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