That's right, while Congress debates, hems, haws and disagrees, some other people have stepped up. You can join and help fund at least part of the wall. What if we get it done regardless of if Congress says no?

I'm all for this. If everyone who voted for Trump donates $360, they will have enough to build the way. At the current pace of $1.3 million per day, it will take over 50 years to raise enough to build the walI, but I say let's do this! I wonder how much the Mexicans will donate?

BrerRabbit - 12/20/2018 at 11:51 PM

Surely there are hi-tek solutions that are a miniscule fraction of the cost of a wall - totally medieval approach. A wall will have to be enforced and patrolled anyway. A system of motion detectors, infrared surveillance, laser lattice, satellite, detect and respond.

Then again, we could just pour boiling oil from the castle ramparts. The new serfs of the Trump Dynasty will be happy to help.

2112 - 12/21/2018 at 12:01 AM

Walls kind of went out of favor when they invented the canon. Heck, during the cold war the missle silos were only surrounded by a fence and motion detectors.

StratDal - 12/21/2018 at 02:01 AM

quote:Gina, how much are you donating?

+1
pops42 - 12/21/2018 at 03:06 AM

I think this is great, let those who want the wall, fund it. Good luck.

2112 - 12/21/2018 at 03:08 AM

quote:

quote:Gina, how much are you donating?

+1

Anything less than $360 per Trump voter isn't going to do the job, so I would hope she gives at least that much.
cyclone88 - 12/21/2018 at 03:10 AM

quote:Surely there are hi-tek solutions that are a miniscule fraction of the cost of a wall - totally medieval approach. A wall will have to be enforced and patrolled anyway. A system of motion detectors, infrared surveillance, laser lattice, satellite, detect and respond.

Then again, we could just pour boiling oil from the castle ramparts. The new serfs of the Trump Dynasty will be happy to help.

The serfs ran away.
2112 - 12/21/2018 at 03:45 AM

quote:

quote:Surely there are hi-tek solutions that are a miniscule fraction of the cost of a wall - totally medieval approach. A wall will have to be enforced and patrolled anyway. A system of motion detectors, infrared surveillance, laser lattice, satellite, detect and respond.

Then again, we could just pour boiling oil from the castle ramparts. The new serfs of the Trump Dynasty will be happy to help.

The serfs ran away.

I like the idea of sharks with lasers mounted on their heads. Even in the desert areas they would be more effective than a wall.
nebish - 12/21/2018 at 05:22 AM

I think they should break out more of this type of funding, not on a go fund me page - but on your 1040. Pick and choose what and where you want your tax money to go to. If they don't get enough money to fund certain programs, then don't do them.

Sang - 12/21/2018 at 05:56 AM

Maybe they can buy bricks in the wall and get their name on it.....

BoytonBrother - 12/21/2018 at 12:49 PM

Please tell me this is fake news, and people are not crowdfunding for the wall. Who are these poor people? Anyone who donates should be round up, banned from procreating, and sent to live on a remote island in the South Pacific. Iíll donate for that cause.

MartinD28 - 12/21/2018 at 12:59 PM

quote:I think they should break out more of this type of funding, not on a go fund me page - but on your 1040. Pick and choose what and where you want your tax money to go to. If they don't get enough money to fund certain programs, then don't do them.

I hear there will be a checkoff box on this year's 1040 for refunds that can be given to The Trump Charitable Foundation. I hear that organization does wonderful things for the less fortunate.
crazyjoe - 12/21/2018 at 03:00 PM

quote:I think they should break out more of this type of funding, not on a go fund me page - but on your 1040. Pick and choose what and where you want your tax money to go to. If they don't get enough money to fund certain programs, then don't do them.

Well, considering the mentality of about 30% of our voting age citizens, (as well as some of our leadership) of our of our nation. I certainly wouldn't feel too comfortable with this...........Peace.........joe
crazyjoe - 12/21/2018 at 03:05 PM

quote:Maybe they can buy bricks in the wall and get their name on it.....

Great Idea!!! We got one for my Uncle outside New Comiskey, paid $500 I believe, so at least $500 would be a good starting point for a wall brick?.........Peace......joe
nebish - 12/21/2018 at 03:09 PM

quote:

quote:I think they should break out more of this type of funding, not on a go fund me page - but on your 1040. Pick and choose what and where you want your tax money to go to. If they don't get enough money to fund certain programs, then don't do them.

I hear there will be a checkoff box on this year's 1040 for refunds that can be given to The Trump Charitable Foundation. I hear that organization does wonderful things for the less fortunate.

Ah, yes, the fine print of the tax cut plan?

quote:Well, considering the mentality of about 30% of our voting age citizens, (as well as some of our leadership) of our of our nation. I certainly wouldn't feel too comfortable with this...........Peace.........joe

Well, unfortunately you are right. My suggestion isn't realistic although I do wish for a way that citizens could have more direct discretion over how Congress spends money other than just voting for a representative. But yeah, trusting the population at large to get it right could be scary. I'm one of 63 million people who voted for Trump - scary! But at the end of the day we get what we deserve, our successes or failures are shared by all for good or bad, just the way it is.
cyclone88 - 12/21/2018 at 03:40 PM

quote:Surely there are hi-tek solutions that are a miniscule fraction of the cost of a wall - totally medieval approach. A wall will have to be enforced and patrolled anyway. A system of motion detectors, infrared surveillance, laser lattice, satellite, detect and respond.

Isn't it ludicrous that the self-proclaimed real estate guru is about 30 years behind in his knowledge of techniques in the construction industry? He promised his base a wall, but does it have to be bricks & mortar or a "slatted fence?" As you say, a quick visit to a 21st century security/building contractors convention would demonstrate effective efficient alternatives.

His vision no doubt includes a moat. Medieval, indeed.
crazyjoe - 12/21/2018 at 03:53 PM

quote:

quote:

quote:I think they should break out more of this type of funding, not on a go fund me page - but on your 1040. Pick and choose what and where you want your tax money to go to. If they don't get enough money to fund certain programs, then don't do them.

I hear there will be a checkoff box on this year's 1040 for refunds that can be given to The Trump Charitable Foundation. I hear that organization does wonderful things for the less fortunate.

Ah, yes, the fine print of the tax cut plan?

quote:Well, considering the mentality of about 30% of our voting age citizens, (as well as some of our leadership) of our of our nation. I certainly wouldn't feel too comfortable with this...........Peace.........joe

Well, unfortunately you are right. My suggestion isn't realistic although I do wish for a way that citizens could have more direct discretion over how Congress spends money other than just voting for a representative. But yeah, trusting the population at large to get it right could be scary. I'm one of 63 million people who voted for Trump - scary! But at the end of the day we get what we deserve, our successes or failures are shared by all for good or bad, just the way it is.

For sure, I do agree, I think a lot of good common sense can be gathered from, good solid Folks, weed out the extremeists, left and right, and then genuinely try to see what genuine needs, desires and concerns can be gathered from a somewhat more reasonable and level headed common Folks, maybe I am just pipe dreamin I guess, partly due to the fact that when You ask a million People's opinion, You will get that many different view points?........Peace............joe
Chain - 12/22/2018 at 03:23 PM

I saw an interview with the individual who decided to start this fundraiser....Why do I have a suspicion that these millions will end up in some off shore account untouchable by US tax officials?

BoytonBrother - 12/22/2018 at 11:17 PM

How cute are these folks trying to raise $5billion! Imagine these people raising children. Scary.

Can't they use the invisible fence technology pioneered by people who say they can keep your dogs on your own property. How long would it take for determined asylum seekers to keep trying to breach an invisible fence?

Bhawk - 12/29/2018 at 05:26 PM

quote:I will send something, and for those who think they cannot send anything, what about sending part of your tax refund?

No. He ran on building the wall and stated that Mexico will pay for it on many, many occasions.

If he is as awesome as you think he is...and he is as awesome as HE thinks he is...then he needs to get the wall built on his own according to the standards he himself laid down.

Surely such a dealmaker can get this done, right?
gina - 12/29/2018 at 09:09 PM

We know he is trying, but if we do not want to wait, then we can try other methods to at least start building it. The border is 800 miles long, so if we can do anything near the most widely used illegal entry points, that would help. However, I think about the tunnels in Palestine and I think the central american asylum seekers would try to make some tunnels to go under a fence. It's a very bad problem.

MartinD28 - 12/29/2018 at 10:47 PM

quote:We know he is trying, but if we do not want to wait, then we can try other methods to at least start building it. The border is 800 miles long, so if we can do anything near the most widely used illegal entry points, that would help. However, I think about the tunnels in Palestine and I think the central american asylum seekers would try to make some tunnels to go under a fence. It's a very bad problem.

"He is trying" - The only things he is trying is to 1) enrich himself on the backs of the American taxpayers in violation of conflict of interest of his position as POTUS, and 2) trying to discredit multiple investigations which are getting close to his family and him.

His wall is symbolic & a campaign chant to unite his base who were told Mexico would pay for it. In the end, it is just another of his daily lies.

Yet here we are two years into the Trump debacle, and there are those who still believe in that guy and his drivel.

2112 - 12/30/2018 at 03:37 AM

Doesn't seem like he is trying very hard to get Mexico to pay for it. They said no and he quit trying. The Democrats said no to US taxpayers paying for it and he shus down the government. For once he should keep his word and get Mexico to pay for it or just forget about it.

BrerRabbit - 12/30/2018 at 03:42 AM

Classic bait and switch.

Chain - 12/30/2018 at 04:40 PM

quote:Classic bait and switch.

Indeed....And the money will wind up in someone's bank account never to be spent on any useless wall. Probably the bank account of an LLC owned by a Trump associate. As the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

[Edited on 12/30/2018 by Chain]
gina - 1/5/2019 at 09:24 PM

quote:Doesn't seem like he is trying very hard to get Mexico to pay for it. They said no and he quit trying. The Democrats said no to US taxpayers paying for it and he shus down the government. For once he should keep his word and get Mexico to pay for it or just forget about it.

Mexico has American manufacturing facilities there so there, if we piss off Mexico, then can place tariffs on the importing of the materials we send there to the manufacturing facilities. We all know Mexico is not a manufacturing hub so the car manufacturers are getting parts coming thru the US side, also pharmaceutical companies etc. It all started with NAFTA all the trade deals, that's why we have so many problems in this country to start with. Why can't we eat the food grown here? We have to ship out and sell it elsewhere. What do we get in return? We import lousy Mexican fruits and vegetables that make people sick. It is also the frozen food. Go check out Green Giant and other brands, frozen Mexican vegetables. The frozen carrots I get are from Canada. I will not eat any Mexican grapes, if they come from Peru or anyplace in South America they will be fine, all that Mexican food is full of bacteria. America is being poisoned.
Jerry - 1/7/2019 at 07:50 PM

quote: His vision no doubt includes a moat. Medieval, indeed.

Did you forget the Rio Grande River?
Jerry - 1/7/2019 at 07:56 PM

quote:Please tell me this is fake news, and people are not crowdfunding for the wall. Who are these poor people? Anyone who donates should be round up, banned from procreating, and sent to live on a remote island in the South Pacific. Iíll donate for that cause.

quote:Here I was thinking you had mellowed out a little this past year.

I have no issue with someone in favor of the wall. I think they are misguided and naive due to the archaic strategy, but thatís about it. But to willingly donate from your own pay????? I stand by my comments about those people.
Jerry - 1/7/2019 at 09:34 PM

quote:

quote:Here I was thinking you had mellowed out a little this past year.

I have no issue with someone in favor of the wall. I think they are misguided and naive due to the archaic strategy, but thatís about it. But to willingly donate from your own pay????? I stand by my comments about those people.

You stand by your comments? Are you a racist, an econo-snob, or someone who believes in the old nazi ways of doing things of "I don't like you, can't stand you, so off to the camps you go!"
BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 10:39 PM

quote:You stand by your comments? Are you a racist, an econo-snob, or someone who believes in the old nazi ways of doing things of "I don't like you, can't stand you, so off to the camps you go!"

Oh Jerry. It was obviously tongue in cheek. But yes, i think itís the height of foolishness to donate your own money to a border wall.
Jerry - 1/7/2019 at 10:44 PM

quote:

quote:You stand by your comments? Are you a racist, an econo-snob, or someone who believes in the old nazi ways of doing things of "I don't like you, can't stand you, so off to the camps you go!"

Oh Jerry. It was obviously tongue in cheek. But yes, i think itís the height of foolishness to donate your own money to a border wall.

Not at all. Banning procreation and forcing people to live on a remote island was obviously an exaggeration to make a point of how I feel about them. But I think it's incredibly foolish and a bit deranged to do it, and if you are one of them, then I'm sorry, but it's foolish to think people can crowdfund $5billion. I donate to many charities - I would never donate to something like a dictator-wannabe wall.
Jerry - 1/8/2019 at 02:17 AM

quote:

quote:Changed your story now that you've been called out huh?

Not at all. Banning procreation and forcing people to live on a remote island was obviously an exaggeration to make a point of how I feel about them. But I think it's incredibly foolish and a bit deranged to do it, and if you are one of them, then I'm sorry, but it's foolish to think people can crowdfund $5billion. I donate to many charities - I would never donate to something like a dictator-wannabe wall.

But, you said "I stand by my comments about those people."
That sounds pretty firm on how you feel about those who would help fund a wall.
JimSheridan - 1/8/2019 at 03:07 AM

gina wrote: "We know he is trying, but if we do not want to wait, then we can try other methods to at least start building it. The border is 800 miles long, so if we can do anything near the most widely used illegal entry points, that would help. However, I think about the tunnels in Palestine and I think the central american asylum seekers would try to make some tunnels to go under a fence. It's a very bad problem."

Gina, the border is not 800 miles long. The President is asking for a 1,000 mile wall. You need to add some billions to the cost.

Most illegal immigrants are those who get a visa, come legally, but then stay. The wall will not address this.

Likewise, most drugs enter the US through legal points of entry. The wall will not address this.

Why not create stricter penalties for those US businesses that hire illegals? You do know that Mar Y Lago has been on that list..

nebish - 1/8/2019 at 02:22 PM

quote:Mexico has American manufacturing facilities there so there, if we piss off Mexico, then can place tariffs on the importing of the materials we send there to the manufacturing facilities. We all know Mexico is not a manufacturing hub so the car manufacturers are getting parts coming thru the US side, also pharmaceutical companies etc. It all started with NAFTA all the trade deals, that's why we have so many problems in this country to start with. Why can't we eat the food grown here? We have to ship out and sell it elsewhere. What do we get in return? We import lousy Mexican fruits and vegetables that make people sick. It is also the frozen food. Go check out Green Giant and other brands, frozen Mexican vegetables. The frozen carrots I get are from Canada. I will not eat any Mexican grapes, if they come from Peru or anyplace in South America they will be fine, all that Mexican food is full of bacteria. America is being poisoned.

I don't know about poisoned, but I don't buy foreign produce unless it just can't be grown here. If it can be grown, sold and bought here that is what I buy. Grapes from California when in season or nothing for me. I can do without frozen broccoli from Mexico. Fresh produce from local farms is better anyway. I've always seen carrots and celery be USA, so I eat alot of that. Sometimes frozen veggies are nice to have around, so I'm stuck with the USA stuff. Typically peas, corn or mixed variety. I like clementines or whatever those little small oranges are "cuties". Got to watch those, sometimes they are imported, but if it says USA I buy them.

For all your craziness Gina, every now an then I just have to chime in and say...I agree!

[Edited on 1/8/2019 by nebish]
Bhawk - 1/8/2019 at 04:06 PM

quote:I will not eat any Mexican grapes, if they come from Peru or anyplace in South America they will be fine, all that Mexican food is full of bacteria. America is being poisoned.

You agree with that?

Good grief.
nebish - 1/8/2019 at 04:21 PM

quote:

quote:I will not eat any Mexican grapes, if they come from Peru or anyplace in South America they will be fine, all that Mexican food is full of bacteria. America is being poisoned.

You agree with that?

Good grief.

As I said, my reasons aren't because of any poisoning or bacteria. My desire to buy things produced in the USA instead of imports extends to food. Maybe you like eat organic or whatever is important to you. Buying USA is important to me.
gina - 1/8/2019 at 11:43 PM

Lights along the border
Two more lonely hours and I can go
Across the Rio Grande and Laredo
Cause Maria Teresa Marina Martinez
Is waitin' in Old Mexico

She's a rich SeŮor's daughter
And he sure ain't gonna like it when he knows
But I damn sure fight him and half of Texas
'Cause Maria Teresa Marina Martinez
Is waitin' in Old Mexico

High Sierra
Where evening breeze blows the tumbleweeds along
My Sombrero
And there's million stars and a thousand guitars
Always playing my song

Just a wild crazy cowboy
And I still don't like the way they rodeo
But I'll give up my wild oats for her sweet love
'Cause Maria Teresa Marina Martinez
Is waitin' in Old Mexico

High Sierra
Down where evening breeze blows the tumbleweeds along
My Sombrero
And there's million stars and a thousand guitars
Always playing my song

Lights along the border
Two more lonely hours and I can go
'Cross the Rio Grande and Laredo
Cause Maria Teresa Marina Martinez
Is waitin' in Old Mexico

Maria Teresa Marina Martinez
Is waitin' in Old Mexico

Remarks: This is from the Midnight Wind Tour. gina - 1/8/2019 at 11:53 PM

quote:gina wrote: "We know he is trying, but if we do not want to wait, then we can try other methods to at least start building it. The border is 800 miles long, so if we can do anything near the most widely used illegal entry points, that would help. However, I think about the tunnels in Palestine and I think the central american asylum seekers would try to make some tunnels to go under a fence. It's a very bad problem."

Gina, the border is not 800 miles long. The President is asking for a 1,000 mile wall. You need to add some billions to the cost.

Most illegal immigrants are those who get a visa, come legally, but then stay. The wall will not address this.

Likewise, most drugs enter the US through legal points of entry. The wall will not address this.

Why not create stricter penalties for those US businesses that hire illegals? You do know that Mar Y Lago has been on that list..

That caravan of people were not going to try to get visas. It is interesting there hasn't been much coverage on what has happened to those multi thousands of people. The drugs do enter through legal ports and big money and big players are involved in that or it would not be possible. I also agree businesses who hire illegals should be punished and sanctioned, but then again if they have to use legal labor workforce then they just raise the prices. I just think it is unacceptable to hire a bunch of migrants who pee and poop in the fields and then that food gets to our stores for us to buy and eat. The e-coli epidemic from those cantaloupes from Colorado a little while back is proof. Why can't they at least provide adequate facilities for the workers. It's not much different than the old days of slavery except now the slaves just move around to other fields to harvest the crops while living in squalid conditions and they get some money. The whole thing is sickening.

And you are right Trump should lead by example and not join in the exploitation of illegals at any of his resorts or properties. America has the mindset that hispanic, latinos, central americans are the ones who should be in the service sector jobs, cleaning, cooking for America.

gina - 1/8/2019 at 11:55 PM

quote:

quote:Mexico has American manufacturing facilities there so there, if we piss off Mexico, then can place tariffs on the importing of the materials we send there to the manufacturing facilities. We all know Mexico is not a manufacturing hub so the car manufacturers are getting parts coming thru the US side, also pharmaceutical companies etc. It all started with NAFTA all the trade deals, that's why we have so many problems in this country to start with. Why can't we eat the food grown here? We have to ship out and sell it elsewhere. What do we get in return? We import lousy Mexican fruits and vegetables that make people sick. It is also the frozen food. Go check out Green Giant and other brands, frozen Mexican vegetables. The frozen carrots I get are from Canada. I will not eat any Mexican grapes, if they come from Peru or anyplace in South America they will be fine, all that Mexican food is full of bacteria. America is being poisoned.

I don't know about poisoned, but I don't buy foreign produce unless it just can't be grown here. If it can be grown, sold and bought here that is what I buy. Grapes from California when in season or nothing for me. I can do without frozen broccoli from Mexico. Fresh produce from local farms is better anyway. I've always seen carrots and celery be USA, so I eat alot of that. Sometimes frozen veggies are nice to have around, so I'm stuck with the USA stuff. Typically peas, corn or mixed variety. I like clementines or whatever those little small oranges are "cuties". Got to watch those, sometimes they are imported, but if it says USA I buy them.

For all your craziness Gina, every now an then I just have to chime in and say...I agree!

[Edited on 1/8/2019 by nebish]

I will still warn you in the strongest terms against eating any of those Mexican strawberries. DON'T DO IT! Anything that comes from a box that says "produce of Mexique", Mexique is still Mexico.