French church attacked during Mass, priest murdered

[The background and motive of the attackers not yet known or revealed]

Catholic World News – July 26, 2016

Two men with knives entered a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, France, during Mass and took a priest and several worshippers hostage, according to media reports.

The attackers slit the throat of the priest, identified by Father Jacques Hamel, 92, before police killed the attackers .

“The whole of France and all Catholics are wounded,” said Prime Minister Manuel Valls. “We will stand together.”

UPDATE (from the Daily Mail):

There were claims that the attackers shouted ‘Daesh’ – an alternative name for ISIS– as they ran into the church. At least one of the men was dressed in Islamic clothing, according to French media reports, and an anti-terrorist unit has already taken up the investigation.

A hostage situation developed during the daily mass this morning when two attackers entered a church in Rouen, France and took a number of hostages. Between four and six hostages were thought to have been taken, however reports in French media including Le Figaro now suggest the priest leading the mass “had his throat cut” by the attackers.

France’s Le Point magazine reports “corroborating sources” on the ground who witnessed the attackers shouting “Daesh” — Arabic for ‘Islamic State’ — upon entering the church

I’m anxious to see and hear if Bergoglio or one of his lieutenants in the Vatican condemn this.
And if they do HOW they condemn it.
Yet, if someone at the Vatican does speak out against this I doubt they’ll call out the real problem, which is years of Islamic migration into Europe. And Islam itself as the root of the problem!
After all, Bergoglio wants more Muslims coming to Europe.
Prayers for the martyred priest Father Hamel.

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis is horrified and shocked by an attack in a church in Rouen, in northern France, where a priest was slain and another hostage was seriously wounded..

A statement released by Fr Federico Lombardi, Director of the Holy See Press Office said: “we are particularly shocked because this horrible violence took place in a Church, in which God’s love is announced, with the barbarous killing of a priest and the involvement of the faithful”.

Fr Lombardi also said the Pope shares the pain and the horror caused by this absurd violence and expresses firm condemnation of every form of hatred and prays for the victims.

Two attackers entered the church of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during Mass on Tuesday morning, taking the elderly priest and four other people hostage before being shot dead by French police.

There were no immediate details on the identity or motives of the two assailants but the investigation was handed to the anti-terrorist unit of the Paris prosecutor’s office.

In his statement Fr Lombardi commented on the fact that the terrible news is unfortunately the latest in a series of violent attacks in the past days which have created immense pain and preoccupation.

Father Lombardi said the Pope is close to the Church in France, to the Archdiocese of Rouen, to the local community and to the French people.

Not surprised Tom.
We all knew any condemnation from the Vatican would be vague, homogenized, and PC.
Without condemning the root of the problem.
After fifty five years of this it’s just habit for them.
Especially under the pontificate.

Pope Francis is “shocked”? He’s “shocked”? What planet has Pope Francis been living on? When they finally manage to pull his head out of his progressive modernist multicultural posterior, maybe someone on his staff should give him a detailed briefing on the numbers of Christians who have been slaughtered worldwide and particularly in Europe in the last month.

Boy, it’s a good thing they have gun control in France, isn’t it? Imagine if the parishioners had been armed to actually defend themselves. After Charlie Hebdo and the Bataclan terror attacks in Paris, they weren’t??? All Catholic churches in Europe are going to need armed security. This is just a fact of the horrible situation that has followed from the multicultural policies European governments have adopted for God knows what reason progressive secularists think civilization isn’t worth defending. People have to wake up and realize they will have to be ready to defend themselves.

Maybe it’s time to bring back the Knights Templar and the Knights of St. John, since the secular governments clearly are not up to the job of protecting ordinary citizens or the churches in Europe. Pope Francis will have blood on his hands if he does not call for closing the borders and defending Europe’s Christians from barbarians. How many will have to die before their leaders wake up?

All Catholic Church’s in the US need to have a armed security plan and armed parishioners at each Mass ! We are at war ! The Church in France was on the ISIS ” hit ” list. But in realIty, every Church is on a hit list as ISIS and it’s followers expand.

Correct. I have been preaching that for years. The armed and able-bodied shluld always be at the back with an eye on every stranger and every door. Personally, I would put “We Are Armed” on the sign out front for deterrence.

I am told by a friends of.mine that their FSSP parish in Vienna, Ohio has the balls to have an international no sign on their chapel door. The circle and slash is over a handgun. Newsflash for them. They have armed protection when my friends are there whether they like it or not.

[I previously saw the piece below about the bishop’s comments elsewhere, but for some reason or other His Excellency’s stupid remark about the perps being victims didn’t sink in; thus, I thank Tantumblogo for bringing it to our attention]

Away from his diocese at the World Youth Day celebrations in Krakow, Poland the archbishop of Rouen has released astatement on the death of one of his priests this morning, which strangely seems to identify both the slain clergyman and his killers as “victims”.

He said: “I have learnt with sadness of the killing this morning at the Church of Saint-Etienne du Rouvray. The three victims: the priest, Father Jacques Hamel, 84, and the perpetrators of the assassination.

“Three other people were injured, one very seriously. I cry out to God with all men of good will. I would invite non-believers to join in the cry!……. The Catholic Church cannot take weapons other than those of prayer and brotherhood among men.

We can always count on the post-VII modernist-progressive cabal to invert the truth, say the wrong thing, and cause scandal. How one turns vicious, cold-blooded murderers, shot in the very act of committing grave crimes, into victims, is beyond me. It requires decades of deep immersion in moral relativism and a reprobate sense to arrive at that level of moral confusion and abdication of duty.

As for “other weapons,” how about the Truth, Bishop Lebrun? How about preaching the Truth of Jesus Christ in season and out, and clearly denouncing the massive, soul-killing errors of Mohammadism?

Lebrun, a longtime liberal, was appointed Archbishop of Rouen by Francis just last year. Perhaps he’s still growing into his office.

FIGAROVOX / BIG INTERVIEW – In an interview river, Laurent Bouvet deciphers the origins and workings of the Islamic-leftism. In search of a new proletariat, the blind left sees the Islamists of the wretched of the earth to defend.

Laurent Bouvet is Professor of Political Science at the Versailles Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines University. He published The cultural insecurity by Fayard in 2015.

FIGAROVOX. – How do you explain the difficulty of some leftist intellectuals to think Islamism or even just to say his name? Is the Muslim community became the new proletariat of some left?

There are probably several possible explanations for what is among some intellectuals, journalists, researchers … blindness, more or less voluntary, and in others, few in fact, a particular choice or ideological policy. I will focus here as structural explanation that could be called the colonial complex.

In the French case especially European and wider colonization has particularly affected the Muslim populations. Since decolonization on the one hand and the end of the great narratives of emancipation nationalist or anti-imperialist secondly, a form of thought, and the now unavoidable “studies” that go with in academia, postcolonial developed. It was based on a simple idea: the white man, european, western, Christian (and Jewish too) remained fundamentally a colonizer because of traits that would be his own (such as gasoline): racist, imperialist, domineering, etc. Therefore, the former colonies remained the dominated, victims of the white man, european, western, Judeo-Christian.

From 1970, during the economic crisis that began and installation of immigration from former colonies, will engulf this postcolonial thought somehow the thought of the classic working emancipation and class struggle that has developed since the industrial Revolution and socialism embodied in particular. The figure of the “damned of the earth” will thus be reduced gradually to the former colonized, immigrants now, that is to say, one who is different, who is the “other”, not primarily because of its position in the process of economic production and social status but of his country of origin, skin color, ethnic origin, and more recently, religion. And, just when readings renewed and radicalized Islam become regimes of protest tools in place in the Arab-Muslim world.

Any part of the left, political, associative, trade union, intellectual …, orphan of the grand narrative

Any part of the left will find in this fight for the new damned of the earth its purpose when it becomes widely different forms of liberalism.

Socialist and Communist, will find in this fight for the new damned of the earth its purpose when it becomes widely different forms of liberalism. Policy with human rights and liberal democracy against the residue of Communist totalitarianism; economic with the law of the market and financial capitalism against statism and Keynesian economics; cultural with individual emancipation on account of the identity of each rather than collective. In France, the form of racism that is developing in the 1980s under the left in power testament to this development.

From there, one can easily unfold history of the last 30-40 years to reach the current situation. Be on the side of victims and dominated helps to give moral capacity or political purposes while one gave up, in fact if not in speech, any idea of ​​collective emancipation and social transformation that otherwise ‘through the allocation of individual rights to victims and exactly dominated. From the moment these victims and dominated these are embodied in the figure of the “other” than themselves, they can not in any case be wrong and everything they do, say, claim, etc. is an element of identity of victim and dominated. In such a setting, the white man, european, western, Judeo-Christian … therefore can never, by definition, be right, whatever he says or does. It is always already guilty and domineering.

For a party of the left, especially among intellectuals, all this has become an orthodoxy. Any questions, any questioning, criticism is instantly regarded both as a tragic misunderstanding of society, of history and real contemporary issues, as an intolerable infringement of the right, the only moral and unique, and as the sign of a deeply reactionary attitude, racist or “Islamophobic”, etc. This is why there seems to me that we find today in the intellectual and broader public debate, a violence that had been forgotten since the days of the Cold War. Any disagreement, any nuance, any questioning is immediately disqualified.

This orthodoxy has she been shaken by the return of the “tragic” in history we are witnessing since the 2001 attacks in the United States?

The advent past fifteen years on Western soil (and its intensification in France particularly in recent years) of an Islamic terrorism that extends the jihad led in the Arab world in particular has barely begun this orthodoxy. In such a setting, the terrorist is first and foremost perceived him as a victim even if his act is condemned as such. Victim of the social situation in which there are populations of immigrant (urban ghettos, mass unemployment …), a victim of the way he is treated as a believer, a victim of “Islamophobia” of “secularism to French “,” state racism “… even victim, as we saw after the attack of Nice, a company

It is at least strange that they are the same who deny any Islamist character in a terrorist act and call not to confuse between the perpetrator and all Muslims.

Western perverting the individual (bisexuality, divorce, alcoholism, depression …). In such a scheme, the Islamist is never responsible for his way of believing and practicing Islam as terrorist is never fully accountable. It’s Western society which is first and foremost to blame, it is “we” who are really responsible for what happens to us. It may be noted, moreover, in this regard, it is at least strange, if not comical that these are often the same people who deny any Islamist character in a terrorist act and that call does not especially make of confusion between the perpetrator and all Muslims.

Therefore difficult to discuss calmly and effectively especially in how to deal with Islamist terrorism, policies to implement, changes to be introduced in our laws and in our habits. Would that since dealing with this form of denial of reality and practical part of the left, built up a force that will reject the very possibility of the existence of French Muslims and also built on setting before an identity (French, European, white, Western, Christian …) claimed as “only true”. Drift that is found today in part to the right and the extreme right. Or we can be satisfied with a debate opponent, as is too often the case today, a left from denial to a right of rejection. Not only because it is intellectually flawed but because it can lead at worst.

How to explain the historical shift from a largely anti-clerical left when she was facing the Church left a very defensive when it comes to apply the framework of secularism to Islam?

Furthermore, largely for the reasons that I have just described, because part of the secular left for decades had found a substitute for religious belief in communist ideology in particular – can be recalled also by the way that ideology religion and work the same as marl pit inverted representation of reality Marx. The collapse of great ideological narratives of the twentieth century left this left in disarray. No longer able to oppose to the real truth it was a certain unbearable. Hence the rapid transformation in the years 1990-2000, of postcolonial thinking in an autonomous ideological form and overdetermining (whereas before she could still be included in the overall narrative Communist).

The report of that left to the Church remained the same as in the previous period, combining a form of clericalism visceral condemnation of the Church of the retrograde nature on matters of morals in particular – on the was seen at the time of the “marriage for all”. Secularism is not here discussed or debatable

The collapse of great ideological narratives of the twentieth century left this left in disarray. No longer able to oppose to the real truth was unbearable.

somehow. While on other issues, the Church is rather seen as an ally left. This is the case regarding the reception of migrants for example.

However, the report is new to Islam historically him. This religion, even in its most radical forms, is not considered first and foremost as a religion, as a possible “opium of the people”, but as a specific identity traits of victims and world dominated postcolonial. This leads to strange things philosophically, as the defense of the Islamic veil in the name of individual liberty by officials or political activists be Marxists. Here we look back, for example, in the episode of the young candidate of the NPA wearing the veil in the PACA regional 2010 which had been defended on this ground by Olivier Besancenot particular.

There is thus, largely in the left all political families at this amazing double standard measures on secularism. As if this was variable geometry according to the religion concerned. Thus, another example, many are they left to elected quick to publicly wish Muslims a happy holiday to mark the end of Ramadan not do so for other religions. Now it seems difficult to adjust his attitude and according to a particular religion. I find it difficult to accommodate a breaking fast ceremony in a town hall when we are forbidden Christmas crèche to take another example. Secularism should simply order the elected not to get involved, as part of their duties of religion.

What do you think of the many references to World War II, the Vichy regime to speak of the state of emergency or the parallel between Muslims and Jews?

I am always very cautious about historical evocations of this kind under the current situation. Especially since they are used a lot in recent years, with the explosion in the use of social networks, to disqualify the opponent. This is the famous point Godwin who wants a conversation on a social network, at some point, in the context of a disagreement, they call you a Nazi.

Regarding the state of emergency, no need to evoke Vichy. Simply compare what the state of emergency in a large democratic country in a state of old and strong law like France, that which has been decreed by Erdogan in Turkey. The evocation without more care in the French political debate Vichy recent weeks about the state of emergency or the use of the 49.3

Regarding the state of emergency, no need to evoke Vichy. Simply compare what it is that which has been decreed by Erdogan in Turkey.

Government is just ridiculous. They reflect more profoundly me it seems, the disarray of a party, and reduce extreme left who does more than that to try to be heard because its political weight is so small that it is simply inaudible. This is the same logic as symbolic violence and sometimes physical regularly deaf in that far left, on social networks, events …

As for the parallel between Jews and Muslims as scapegoats, again, attention. Besides the idle historical comparison which consists of Muslims today what the Jews were yesterday in the Nazi era, the situation is not at all comparable. No one exterminates mass Muslim or has even decided to do so. And the dead Muslims in the world today because of war or terrorism are the first at the hands of other Muslims. I am not sure that such a comparison serve the purpose of those who venture.

In France today, there are many forms of anti-Muslim racism that are expressed, and sometimes acts being committed, besides being reprehensible and punishable – I think in particular the tools in place with particular DILCRA last 4 years to improve reporting and lead to criminal proceedings – there is no Muslim who was murdered because of his religion in France – with the exception of soldiers killed by Merah in 2012 and the policeman shot boulevard Richard-Lenoir by Kouachi brothers in January 2015. Still have they killed probably more because they wore uniforms that because of their supposed confession. And anyway, it’s not crimes “Islamophobic”. All Muslims who died in Nice attack such were not covered as such. In the case of anti-Semitism, in addition to the words and deeds, many the victims of Merah in the Jewish school in 2012 or Coulibaly to Hypercacher in January 2015 were because they were Jewish and referred to as such.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the traces of the war in Algeria they maintain this Muslim-leftism? Is victimhood competition become the engine of it?

There is undoubtedly in the extreme left we were talking about earlier, the temptation to constantly replay colonial conflicts or import in France external conflicts, like the one between Israel and the Palestinians. Seen on the demonstrations like those of the summer of 2014 for Gaza or in the campaigns to boycott Israeli products, for example. This is fortunately limited. And if he does not always get media leaders, political or trade union to give credit or support these leftists actions, they would have no echo.

Market law also applies to the victimhood competition. This is what eludes the left claiming illiberal because it challenges the economic globalization.

Let’s say, for simplicity, that there is a form of cultural leftism that far exceeds the boundaries of political leftism. It would not be more embarrassing than that if the folklore which led it did not lead today, as the historical circumstances are especially serious, a deterioration of the public debate on a verbal and often odious symbolic, anyway off of proportion to the reality of facts. We must therefore be careful and do not let them take, which is not always easy, especially on social networks.

The victimhood competition refers to what I said earlier in connection with the post-colonial thinking. In such a design where one sees the other as a victim of what one is oneself, then it can not be that competition between victims for such media visibility, as public recognition, that particular law, such a subsidy, etc. Liberalism does not stop at the post-colonialism. Market law also applies to the victimhood competition. This is clearly defies the left claiming strongly anti-liberal because it challenges the economic globalization and the deregulation of work that is very liberal when it comes to identity and cultural issues.

Faced with the question of Islamism but also to Muslim immigration, is the cultural dimension of Islam unthought?

This is a basic question but that I can not answer because I do not have the knowledge to do it.

I can only hypothesize. For me, what I know and what I can understand, Islam as a religion (as so religious and cultural), is not a priori incompatible with what we can

The game being played is not between Islam and the West but between Islam and rejection of Islamism.

called Western modernity – one that was deployed for five centuries on the foundation of the Judeo-Christian society that was in Europe. That is to say, with individual freedom (including not to believe), equal rights, particularly between men and women, democracy, the rule of law, etc. There is therefore no inevitability and no “clash of civilization” itself.

Obviously, today, in any part of Islam that Western modernity is condemned and attacked for what it conveys values ​​and as a society model. It seems to me that the game being played today is not between Islam and the West but between Islam and rejection of Islamism, both within Muslim populations that non-Muslim, in West and in the Arab-Muslim world.

In your book Cultural insecurity, you are defending the concept of “common” for the national community gathers around shared values. Specifically, is it a minimal cultural proximity not as a necessary condition of this community of values?

Yes, there are common, there must be a cultural proximity and not only principled or institutional. It is obvious.

For there to be common, there must be a cultural proximity and not only principled or institutional.

The question is what we put in the term “cultural”. A culture is not something fixed, it is not an essence. It is a set of standards, values, habits, etc. moving and cumulative. This is a link between those who share most but it is also a place for debate or confrontation in the sense that we can give him.

There was talk at the time of Islam. But what characterizes him, beyond the fact that it is a religion, a link between believers in the same God, but also its extraordinary cultural diversity worldwide. This is also what Islamists want to reduce by imposing a single vision of Islam.

Beyond even for me, a culture, culture is precisely the movement and diversity, the very opposite of fixity and gasoline. This is what we teach our own history, Western, European, since we started with that. The possibility of disagreement and life in common despite this disagreement, then its overflow through a new cultural form that includes former disagreements, the entire history of Western culture.

The joint allows precisely the existence of differences because we accept the overall framework in which they can express themselves. It is therefore both the result of an effort of will, I dare say general, and also the result of a long historical process because of clashes and confrontations. It takes both to will and to do what it takes to, and yet not see it as something fixed and fixed once and for all. Therefore besides, France, the Republic is the most complete expression of this common history, including and exceeding both the long history of France that preceded it. Peguy when he titled one can quote one of his Notebooks: “The Republic, one and indivisible, our kingdom of France.”

“On March 4, 1998, at 7:00 a.m., the body of Fr. Alfred J. Kunz, DOB 4/15/30, was found in the hallway of St. Michael School. The school is in the Village of Dane, population approximately 600, located in rural Dane County 5 miles northwest of Madison, Wis., the state capital.

“Fr. Kunz was the victim of a homicide. His throat was cut with an edged weapon severing the carotid artery. He died as a result of blood loss. The body was discovered by a teacher arriving at the school and was found lying in the hallway near the door to the father’s living quarters in the school. All the doors to the school were locked and there was no sign of forced entry.

“Fr. Kunz was a traditional Roman Catholic priest, who had served at St. Michael Church for 32 years. He had strong traditional orthodox Roman Catholic views that were evidenced by the fact that he conducted Latin Masses as well as English Masses. He was an expert in canon law, the law of the Church, and as such many people nationwide consulted with him. “

He was assisting Fr. John O’Connor in uncovering the homosexual ring. Fr. Kunz ended up dead while Fr. O’Connor was sent for psych evaluations, dismissed from the Dominican order, and lived a quiet life with his widowed sister until he died of natural causes in 2006.
The homosexual and pedophilia and such gangs are rampant in Islam.
Meanwhile there are reports saying the Jews have been funding the caliphate since the 1870s.
When are people going to wake up and realize we are always at war with Satan and his monions.

A medical practice was thrown into turmoil when a patient’s father lunged at a surgeon with a knife, shouting “Allahu akhbar” and threatening to behead him.

The incident took place in the town of Troisdorf on Monday morning. Speaking with FOCUS Online, Dr. Attila Tan, the surgeon who was attacked, recounted his horrific experience.

He said: “The patient came in at 10am, accompanied by his girlfriend, who was veiled. He radiated aggression, which increased when I began to treat him,”

The man was released from the practice in mid-July, having undergone treatment for a broken leg, but returned on Monday in pain.

Dr. Tan said: “I explained everything to him, and even showed him exercises he should do. But he didn’t listen to me at all.”

The 19 year old then stormed out of the practice, before returning with his brother and father, who was armed with a knife which had a 30cm serrated blade.

The surgeon was operating on another patient when his wife called for help at the practice’s reception. The men had attacked and insulted Dr. Tan’s wife, one of them throwing a marble bust at her, which narrowly missed.

The father of the man with the broken leg rushed at Dr. Tan, with a knife, and shouted “Allahu akhbar” before threatening to behead the surgeon.

The sons of the attacker then held Dr. Tan down. The doctor told Focus Online: “Their father kept screaming at me — ‘Apologise to my son, get on your knees and kiss his hand’.”

Panic broke out in the practice, with one 82-year-old patient even jumping through the window to escape the violence. Police arrived before the confrontation could escalate as, when the father and sons trio stormed the practice, some patients and colleagues of Dr. Tan had left to notify the authorities.

One witness recalled: “We heard things flying around, and screams and stuff. Then three times ‘Allahu akbar’ was shouted. At that moment I thought, it’s all over. I thought he killed Dr. Tan and his wife.”

Officers arrested the 19 year old and his girlfriend, but the man’s father and brother managed to flee the scene. Accompanied by a lawyer, the pair later presented themselves at the police station on Monday evening. Dr. Tan’s wife had to be hospitalised after witnessing the morning’s events, as she had suffered a heart attack.

On Tuesday a patient shot a doctor before committing suicide at a Berlin hospital. Germany remains in a state of high alert after the country has been struck by four serious attacks within the span of a week.