Should First Nations of Canada and the United States get their land back, and their resources from the land, that the Europeans stole from them?

Also do you agree that the First Nations should be self-governed?

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Edit: Dont give my post negative points if you don't agree with me you should reply with why you do not agree.

I am in the middle with this, I personally do not believe that the First Nations deserve last that was taken away from their ancestors, they do not have the rights to land that was taken away 500 years ago; but I do understand the reasons for self-governance.

No I am writing a book review on the book Peace, Power, Righteous An Indigenous Manifesto and was intrigued to see what others see as this book is all about reclaiming land, colonization, treaties and nationalism with a lot of self-governance mixed in.

Too late for land reclaims although there may be some in the margins like Quebec and other northern parts of most provinces. As for self-governance, if they want it and they are capable of providing all the basic needs, why not?

Too late for land reclaims although there may be some in the margins like Quebec and other northern parts of most provinces. As for self-governance, if they want it and they are capable of providing all the basic needs, why not?

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I believe only a very small population of First Nations want self-governance.

History is riddled with conquered/displaced people. We can't right every past wrong. We can learn from our past and do better in the future.

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This.

At some point we have to accept the conditions as they are and move forward from there. The upheaval of changing sovereignty would be a major issue and in my opinion a needless waste of time and resources. It's time to move on.

Hey my people bought Manhattan fair and square, for 60 Gulden or about $23.

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Actually, in 1626, Peter Minuit purchased Manhattan from the Canarsie Indians, a tribe that was happened to be passing through the area.

Within a few years, Kieft's War (1643–1645) erupted between settlers of the nascent colony of New Netherland and the native Lenape population in what would later become the New York metropolitan area. During the conflict, at the Pavonia Massacre, 129 Dutch soldiers descended on a Native refugee camp. killing 120 Native Americans, including women and children. De Vries, a local farmer, described the events in his journal:

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Infants were torn form their mother's breasts, and hacked to pieces in the presence of their parents, and pieces thrown into the fire and in the water, and other sucklings, being bound to small boards, were cut, stuck, and pierced, and miserably massacred in a manner to move a heart of stone. Some were thrown into the river, and when the fathers and mothers endeavored to save them, the soldiers would not let them come on land but made both parents and children drown...

New Zealand/Canada/USA/etc is everyone's country, and we can't just take our technology and resources and "go back home". If that's not the case, how long does a Family have to live in a country until they become New Zealanders/Canadians/etc? Hmm?

I am sixth generation, my Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandfathers were Engineers who designed the Waterworks in Auckland. Surely I have as much of a right to any part of New Zealand as any other Maori or Pakeha.

Should First Nations of Canada and the United States get their land back, and their resources from the land, that the Europeans stole from them?

Also do you agree that the First Nations should be self-governed?

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The problem with following this to its logical conclusion is that we would all need to move back to Namibia and Angola, and, there wouldn't be enough food there for 7 Billion people.

However, going forward, it is clear that there are still a lot of people out there who would take away the remaining land if they could. (Anyone remember the old Buffy St. Marie song "Now That The Buffalo's Gone":

"Oh it's all in the past you can say,
but it's still going on here today."

Ultimately, we have just have to muddle through this complex problem issue by issue.

New Zealand/Canada/USA/etc is everyone's country, and we can't just take our technology and resources and "go back home". If that's not the case, how long does a Family have to live in a country until they become New Zealanders/Canadians/etc? Hmm?

I am sixth generation, my Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandfathers were Engineers who designed the Waterworks in Auckland. Surely I have as much of a right to any part of New Zealand as any other Maori or Pakeha.

What an incredibly arrogant thing to say. If you have issues with regulation surrounding welfare then talk to your politicians.

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I have no issues with general welfare, more with the money the US and Canada pumps into reserves where the greatest accomplishment in spite of all of the extra opportunity provided is a higher alcoholic density then anywhere else on the map.

I have no issues with general welfare, more with the money the US and Canada pumps into reserves where the greatest accomplishment in spite of all of the extra opportunity provided is a higher alcoholic density then anywhere else on the map.

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You want to talk squandered opportunities and wasted government money? Looking at the native populace is the wrong place my friend.

...and the English should give the Irish, Welsh, and Scot's their lands back as well..

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Ah, yes... and the Scots (Scotti) should give back their land (go back to Ireland) , the Irish of Viking descent (Dublin was founded by the Norse) should hand back their land, the Bretons should hand back their land to the French (Franks - most of whom should in turn hand back their land and head back East). People of Norman descent in England and France (and elsewhere) should head back to Norway. Some of the Welch should head back to Italy (It's said the Welsh flag is basically a Roman / or a Samaritan standard). French people in Burgundy should hand back their land to true Burgundians (oh and to some English as well)... and let's not even start on the Mongols

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