Because you can't make 20 years of salary last for 60 years of adulthood even with the pension? Many cops "double dip", where they spend 20 years enlisted and 20 years as a cop to get two pensions instead of one (honestly, the ex-mil cops are probably the best ones), and it's even possible for a cop that gets a job as a mail carrier while being in the army reserve throughout can get three pensions.

It’s not that cops who are fired for violence should never be hired for any job ever again—it’s that they should not be hired for jobs that involve potential violence as part of the job—e.g. law enforcement and security jobs. They should be employed in nice safe desk jobs instead where they won’t be prone to getting into violent incidents.

Nah my point was that I am entirely okay with former cops being unhirable.

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This story is less about the police doing wrong and more about a large company using the police to do wrong, but this was the closest thread to that topic I could find.

Basically, many 7-11 stores are owned by private individuals who then give a large part of their income to the larger company. If a store violates the agreement, then the large company can take possession of it from the owners. Allegedly, the company is encouraging ICE to target its stores, because violation of immigration laws is also a violation of the agreement. The company also has a history of doing controversial actions in an attempt to gain control of the stores.

"You are not running off with Cow-Skull Man Dracula Skeletor!" -Socrates

Isn't it a bad idea to shoot someone who has a gun held to a hostage because an involuntary jerk can cause the gun to discharge and shoot the hostage. Even if he had been "the bad guy", I'm pretty sure this was an awful response that could have gotten the other guy, the one who they were supposedly trying to protect, killed.

I doubt the anti immigration faction thought far enough ahead to plan systemic rape into their conga line of awfulness. This is like a bug that they'll say is a feature. Using contractors to weasel out of responsibility is a time honored practice of scum everywhere.

Bureau of Justice Statistics wrote:PREA [Prison Rape Elimination Act] applies to all correctional facilities, including prisons, jails, juvenile facilities, military and Indian country facilities, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities.

Bureau of Justice Statistics wrote:PREA [Prison Rape Elimination Act] applies to all correctional facilities, including prisons, jails, juvenile facilities, military and Indian country facilities, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities.

Seriously? Did you read that? PREA doesn't do anything about the pot boiling over, it's only about watching the pot boil over. The sexual assaults at ICE facilities will be carefully recorded in a spreadsheet.

Pfhorrest wrote:I think the point of quoting PREA was to confirm that contrary to what ICE is saying, their detention centers are in fact correctional facilities just like prisons and subject to the same rules.

Unless of course they're fucking ballsy and refuse to categorize contracted buildings as prisons. They can do this because they're hoping nobody is going to fully challenge the bureaucracy. Same reason cops are always in danger for their lives. Just a rubber stamp lie to get away with misconduct.

Boston Globe wrote:The previously undisclosed program, called “Quiet Skies,” specifically targets travelers who “are not under investigation by any agency and are not in the Terrorist Screening Data Base,” according to a Transportation Security Administration bulletin in March.

The internal bulletin describes the program’s goal as thwarting threats to commercial aircraft “posed by unknown or partially known terrorists,” and gives the agency broad discretion over which air travelers to focus on and how closely they are tracked.

But some air marshals, in interviews and internal communications shared with the Globe, say the program has them tasked with shadowing travelers who appear to pose no real threat — a businesswoman who happened to have traveled through a Mideast hot spot, in one case; a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, in another; a fellow federal law enforcement officer, in a third.

It is a time-consuming and costly assignment, they say, which saps their ability to do more vital law enforcement work.

"You are not running off with Cow-Skull Man Dracula Skeletor!" -Socrates

ijuin wrote:So in other words, nervous people are up to no good, as opposed to being, say, afraid of flying due to phobia or fear of terrorist attacks?

... or afraid of TSA and their 'nudity scanners'...

(Yes I know the scanners don't provide suitably wankable images (though Rule 34...), but that doesn't mean the flying public understands they're not being seen in their alltogether nudity).

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Some rare positive news on the civil asset forfeiture front (which allows police to do things like confiscate and sell a car that has transported illegal drugs, and pocket the money to fund their department):

ObsessoMom wrote:which allows police to do things like confiscate without due process and sell a car that has allegedly transported illegal drugs

Fix'd that for you.

Correct. Thanks.

Other examples from the article (there are links to sources in the original--these outrageous cases are, sadly, real), followed by discussion of how the other US Supreme Court justices might rule:

In Philadelphia, prosecutors seized one couple’s house because their son was arrested with $40 worth of drugs. Officials there seized 1,000 other houses and 3,300 vehicles before a 2018 settlement that led to reparations for victims. In 2014, federal prosecutors used asset forfeiture to take more stuff than burglars. One Texas police department seized property from out-of-town drivers, then colluded with the district attorney to coerce these drivers into waiving their rights. Law enforcement frequently targets poor people and racial minorities, figuring they are unable to fight back.

Although he said nothing on Wednesday (as usual), Justice Clarence Thomas is one of the court’s fiercest critics of civil asset forfeiture. In 2017, he wrote a solo opinion urging the court to rein in the practice. Citing its “egregious and well-chronicled abuses,” Thomas asserted that the Constitution likely does not allow police to “seize property with limited judicial oversight and retain it for their own use.” And in 1998, he authored a 5–4 decision, joined only by the liberals, outlawing forfeitures that are “grossly disproportional to the gravity of [the] offense.”

So while Gorsuch and Sotomayor led the fight on Wednesday, there’s probably a cross-ideological coalition of justices prepared to invalidate excessive forfeitures. Such a ruling would reflect broad agreement across the ideological spectrum that forfeiture has gone too far. Among the organizations that wrote or joined amicus briefs supporting Timbs [the guy whose car was taken in the case now being decided] are the progressive ACLU and NAACP; the libertarian Cato and Goldwater institutes, as well as the Pacific Legal Foundation; the conservative Chamber of Commerce and Judicial Watch; and the fundamentalist Foundation for Moral Law, which is “dedicated to the defense of God-given liberties.”

Only Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito expressed any interest in allowing civil asset forfeiture to continue unabated. A majority of the court seems poised to rule that all 50 states must stop seizing property in a way that’s grossly disproportionate to the crime committed—a holy grail of criminal justice reformers. In one fell swoop, defendants will receive new protections against the legalized theft of their stuff. And Tyson Timbs, who attended Wednesday’s argument, can demand that Indiana return the Land Rover that it never had a right to seize in the first place.

Who cares what the etymology is? "One fell swoop" is a common phrase, and thus the meaning is independent of the individual words. Every word in that sentence can change its meaning over time, and the phrase will mean the exact same thing.

Thesh wrote:Who cares what the etymology is? "One fell swoop" is a common phrase, and thus the meaning is independent of the individual words. Every word in that sentence can change its meaning over time, and the phrase will mean the exact same thing.

This is not always true. The phrase "begging the question" has changed meaning because nobody remembers the other meaning of "to beg"

Coyne wrote:Well, they shouldn't have posted that because apparently, now that they've "promoted religion," everyone will be embracing Satan.

Or maybe the post means everyone already has embraced Satan? I don't know, I'm very confused by the whole thing.

I mean, between the one group of idiots and the other...

Nothing to be confused about, it's pretty standard Culture Wars stuff. The society is changing and there's a plurality/majority embracing that change, the person(s) posting disagree with the nature of the change because it makes them feel uncomfortable* and in a fit of tribalism equate change with evil, therefore the society at large changing and adapting is "embracing evil ("satan" being a traditional avatar of evil). The connection to everything objectively bad (ie: theft, murder) with the subjectively bad (ie: multiculturalism, #metoo, tolerance for LBGTQ, etc.) is pretty clear to those who believe their subjective opinions are objective.

*discomfort coming both from a fear of the new and the invalidation of their cherished traditions.

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