Joel Dvorin, TKD 9th Dan - Anybody from Cleveland?

I've had a great interest in this bulletin board because I once trained at a crappy, crappy McDojo, and would like to do everything I can to expose this guy.

The teacher in question is Joel Dvorin. A google search shows that he is currently claiming to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD, and that as late as 2005 was handing out ranks under dubious circumstances.

But I'll start with my story. About 12 years ago, my father, sister, two brothers and myself began training at Dvorin's dojo (I don't recall the name at the time). The dojo offered TKD, Judo and Jiujitsu, although looking back I would be hesitant to believe any instructors had credible rank in Judo or Jiujitsu. Dvorin was very fat, and could barely get a kick above his knee. The training was standard bullshido fare, with basic calesthenics, heavily padded point sparring, and lots and lots of katas.

That's just the backstory, however. Dvorin befriended my father, borrowed a sum of money from him ("to keep the school going") which I believe was in excess of $2,000, and then high-tailed it. No contact info, the school shut down, everything.

I wouldn't even mention such an allegation that I only have second-hand knowledge of, if it weren't that I saw Dvorin on the local news a few years later, being investigated for stealing money from another student.

This is most likely not a standard Bullshido case, as there isn't much to go on from the internet. I'm actually hoping more for peace of mind that Dvorin isn't currently teaching and swindling more students.

Last paragraph there sounds rather suspicious to me. I would recommend that school be up for bullshido review itself, but I think the photos here take care of that entirely - http://umacleveland.com/Grappling.htm

I don't know about you guys, but I always wear boxing gloves and kneepads when I grapple...

I saw a lot of high kicks and a few jumps on the sparring images. I'm not qualified to give an opinion on the grappling pictures, but the ke?po school I was at did 'sparring to grapping,' which was free range sparring that included takedowns and ground fighting - you didn't stop to take the headgear and gloves off.

"Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
- Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"

I've had a great interest in this bulletin board because I once trained at a crappy, crappy McDojo, and would like to do everything I can to expose this guy.

The teacher in question is Joel Dvorin. A google search shows that he is currently claiming to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD, and that as late as 2005 was handing out ranks under dubious circumstances.

But I'll start with my story. About 12 years ago, my father, sister, two brothers and myself began training at Dvorin's dojo (I don't recall the name at the time). The dojo offered TKD, Judo and Jiujitsu, although looking back I would be hesitant to believe any instructors had credible rank in Judo or Jiujitsu. Dvorin was very fat, and could barely get a kick above his knee. The training was standard bullshido fare, with basic calesthenics, heavily padded point sparring, and lots and lots of katas.

That's just the backstory, however. Dvorin befriended my father, borrowed a sum of money from him ("to keep the school going") which I believe was in excess of $2,000, and then high-tailed it. No contact info, the school shut down, everything.

I wouldn't even mention such an allegation that I only have second-hand knowledge of, if it weren't that I saw Dvorin on the local news a few years later, being investigated for stealing money from another student.

This is most likely not a standard Bullshido case, as there isn't much to go on from the internet. I'm actually hoping more for peace of mind that Dvorin isn't currently teaching and swindling more students.

Last paragraph there sounds rather suspicious to me. I would recommend that school be up for bullshido review itself, but I think the photos here take care of that entirely - http://umacleveland.com/Grappling.htm

I don't know about you guys, but I always wear boxing gloves and kneepads when I grapple...

I would suggest, with regards to the money issue, you seek the advice of one Samuel Browning on these boards. Send him a PM if you have enough posts, not sure, or I can if you like. If you can provide some solid proof as to what he has done, perhaps enough evidence can be dug up and used in a criminal or civil case. If you don't believe it can be think, just take a look at the Wiki article of one David "Race" Bannon:

The first thing you need to do, is to run his name through the Court System in Cyahoga(sp) county to see if there are any civil judgments against him or his corporations. If they exist these would be divided between small claims and regular civil court. Of interest is the resolution of each case. If the case was dismissed, that does not support a negative inference. If however he was found liable that helps your claim.

Ask your dad if he would like to fill out an affidavit. Contact the better business bureau and see if they have any of his corporate entities listed.

Contact the secretary of state's office in Ohio's capital to see if he is listed as an officer in any corporations and whether these corporations still exist and are doing business.

Since we don't have paid staff you'll have to do the legwork on this one.

The first thing you need to do, is to run his name through the Court System in Cyahoga(sp) county to see if there are any civil judgments against him or his corporations. If they exist these would be divided between small claims and regular civil court. Of interest is the resolution of each case. If the case was dismissed, that does not support a negative inference. If however he was found liable that helps your claim.

Ask your dad if he would like to fill out an affidavit. Contact the better business bureau and see if they have any of his corporate entities listed.

Contact the secretary of state's office in Ohio's capital to see if he is listed as an officer in any corporations and whether these corporations still exist and are doing business.

Since we don't have paid staff you'll have to do the legwork on this one.

Hey Samuel,

Thanks for all of the great advice! I'm going to start diggin on it, although my sincere hope is that the bastard learned his lesson and is laying low.

"Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
- Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"