“If you get amnesty and a path to citizenship, what the Mexican president wants,” warned Buchanan, “that will lead to the erasure of the southern border of the United States because the Hispanic population in all those border states is going to be decisive in elections, and they will begin to demand that to people shut up about immigration and let it come forward. And when that happens, you’re going to have an entirely different USA.”

Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift predictably pushed back saying, “They’re talking about thirteen years minimum as a path to citizenship for people who are already in the country. If you can’t handle that, this is not amnesty.”

“Thirteen million illegals in your country is no problem?” quizzed Buchanan.

“Thirteen years is not a giveaway,” Clift responded, “and it’s not amnesty. So I would appreciate if you didn’t always use that phrase.”

“It’s not amnesty?” a shocked Buchanan asked.

After Clift reiterated “No,” Buchanan said, “They came in illegally and then they can stay.”