Daredevil could be the tent-pole property for an entire new tier of Marvel movies. Tie together Daredevil with Power Man and Iron Fist and Punisher using Ben Urich as the link character ala Coulson, with Wilson Fisk as a recurring villain.

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I like the idea of adding more non-Avengers films to the MCU, just to broaden it still further, but I'm not sure those other films would really need to build up to a single crossover like Avengers. No reason the whole MCU has to be locked into a single formula. It might be better just to have these films in a common universe and have occasional overlapping elements or characters, or maybe smaller crossovers or guest appearances.

On the other hand, your suggestion here is kind of cool, especially the Ben Urich part. Except I'd be happier if Daredevil and Spider-Man could be under the same roof, movie-rights-wise. After all, Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man character (and so was the Punisher, for that matter), and Urich has often been a semi-regular figure in Spidey comics as well as DD; plus Spidey and DD have often swung in the same circles themselves.

Daredevil could be the tent-pole property for an entire new tier of Marvel movies. Tie together Daredevil with Power Man and Iron Fist and Punisher using Ben Urich as the link character ala Coulson, with Wilson Fisk as a recurring villain.

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I like the idea of adding more non-Avengers films to the MCU, just to broaden it still further, but I'm not sure those other films would really need to build up to a single crossover like Avengers. No reason the whole MCU has to be locked into a single formula. It might be better just to have these films in a common universe and have occasional overlapping elements or characters, or maybe smaller crossovers or guest appearances.

On the other hand, your suggestion here is kind of cool, especially the Ben Urich part. Except I'd be happier if Daredevil and Spider-Man could be under the same roof, movie-rights-wise. After all, Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man character (and so was the Punisher, for that matter), and Urich has often been a semi-regular figure in Spidey comics as well as DD; plus Spidey and DD have often swung in the same circles themselves.

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Agreed.. it is a very cool idea and i'd wish they'd make it R rated to really set it apart from the blockbuster Marvel movies, kinda like Marvel Max series that featured the best Punisher series ever by Garth Ennis (and they had the coolest Nick Fury cameo appearance.. drinking, swearing, beating up army generals with his belt and having threeways ). There doesn't need to be a giant team up movie like Avengers but cameos here and there and some storyline across the movies would be cool.

Spidey on the other hand won't revert to Marvel for a loooong time (if ever). They just started their new trilogy and it'll be another 5-6 years before that concludes and who knows what happens then. I don't see the studio letting go of Spider-Man anytime soon since it's a big moneymayker.. Marvel would have to dig very deep into their pockets to buy him out and i don't think they'd want to currently (though with the money they are making with their movies they sure could).

I would think that phase three will be magic/street level focused, since phase two seems to be cosmic. I expect that we will see a "Daredevil" film sometime after "Avengers 2". Marvel's probably ecstatic about this.

Also yes as mentioned in the previous page Matt accepted membership into the New Avengers. He also could very well be apart of Hickman's 18 member Avengers line up. We don't know yet I think.

I know perfectly well that Spider-Man's movie rights aren't going to be back with Marvel for a long time. I'm not saying I think there's any actual prospect of Spidey and Daredevil sharing a movie universe, I'm just saying I wish it were possible.

Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man aren't "sellers" per se either and yet.....

Sure both have had their moments but overall the length of a characters ongoing series or ability to maintain one isn't a factor for what movie Marvel Studios may choose to do.

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I'll believe those two when they actually hit the theaters, not before. Just like I'll believe the rumors about "Cloak & Dagger" on the small screen when it premieres, not before. And I'll be shocked if any of them actually perform well ratings/BO-wise.

Marvel (and DC for that matter) talk a good game about "The Catalogue", but they know they have a relative few "sellers" that can carry a multi-media franchise and those are going to be their focus.

Well I think in a way a Daredevil movie could work as a side movie to the ther main "Avengers" action. I mean really think about it, phase 2 is still pretty much Avengers focused. You would think that the Battle of New York would maybe inspire more people to put on a mask or a costume and do something. Sort of the kick start event. Daredevil's origin can remain intact, but maybe it's not until after the Battle that he decides to don a mask and use his radar sense and other abilities to help out the 'little people the Avengers can't be there for.'

Put a good actor in the role and you'd have a movie that I'm sure wouldn't be a 'tentpole' movie, could still do decently at the BO and help open the door for more street level supers. A Daredevil movie doing decently, would help make a Luke Cage and the Heros for Hire work better - because then you could establish that there ARE more heros around not just the Avengers. For all we know in the MCU there are some "myths" of other costumed characters, but either they're written off as utter BS, or publicity stunts for some "damned comic book movie" and we can see the subtle rise of the unaffiliated heroes.

I would actually kind of like to see Kurt Sutter write the Daredevil movie or at least consult on it. Have a good mesh of gritty action and gang war stuff, but a fair amount of humor and drama. I mean part of what made the Phase 1 Marvel movies so well recieved, was that they had a healthy dose of humor and just plain fun. So you can't get too gritty - but you can get maybe a hint more violent/gangland with Daredevil. I mean he works out of a place called "Hell's Kitchen" I would THINK that it'd be pretty nasty down there.

Even if they don't really use Kingpin - since I think he's better as a 'silent' enemy, ala the Mandarin with Iron Man - you sort of feel his presence but he's not really even shown. Granted they're doing the same with Osborn in ASM, but I don't think Kingpin really became an issue for DD until what? The late 70s?

So maybe have him fight mostly gang bangers and mobsters, maybe just to throw in a little reference to the comics, have a Stilt Man show up and promptly get beaten in like two minutes, could be the 'light hearted' part of the movie. Then of course some legal drama action.

Daredevil could really sort of Marvel Studio's Batman/Spider-Man property - the more urban avenger, that's also sort of an acrobatic wisecracking wiseguy. Since that IS kinda what he is too.

I mean he works out of a place called "Hell's Kitchen" I would THINK that it'd be pretty nasty down there.

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That's the thing, though... when the comics began in the '60s, Hell's Kitchen was a neighborhood worthy of the name, but these days it's been pretty thoroughly cleaned up and gentrified, so its portrayal in Daredevil comics is something of an atavism. These days it's often just called Clinton or Midtown West.

I know perfectly well that Spider-Man's movie rights aren't going to be back with Marvel for a long time. I'm not saying I think there's any actual prospect of Spidey and Daredevil sharing a movie universe, I'm just saying I wish it were possible.

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I have heard mutterings that all parties would certainly consider licensing Spidey back to appear in the Marvel universe - whether as a cameo or guest star I couldn't say...

I saw a comment from Lauren Shuler Donner today that she'd be glad to work out an Avengers/X-Men screen crossover, but even aside from the legal/financial difficulties, I'm not sure how it would work, since the X-franchise these days seems to be set squarely in the past, and it's hard to see how to move forward from the present of The Last Stand.

I mean he works out of a place called "Hell's Kitchen" I would THINK that it'd be pretty nasty down there.

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That's the thing, though... when the comics began in the '60s, Hell's Kitchen was a neighborhood worthy of the name, but these days it's been pretty thoroughly cleaned up and gentrified, so its portrayal in Daredevil comics is something of an atavism. These days it's often just called Clinton or Midtown West.

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I think that's why Joe Carnahan pitched his take on DD as a 70s-set blaxploitation style movie. To set it when Hell's Kitchen was, well, hellish!

I've suggested that Marvel should hire him and do a series of low-mid budget movies 70s-set for him, Iron Fist, The Falcon and Luke Cage. You could even have a younger Nick Fury.

Of course, as Falcon looks set to fly in the modern-day Captain America: The Winter Soldier, it already looks like my wishlist is merely a pipe-dream.

I mean he works out of a place called "Hell's Kitchen" I would THINK that it'd be pretty nasty down there.

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That's the thing, though... when the comics began in the '60s, Hell's Kitchen was a neighborhood worthy of the name, but these days it's been pretty thoroughly cleaned up and gentrified, so its portrayal in Daredevil comics is something of an atavism. These days it's often just called Clinton or Midtown West.

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I think that's why Joe Carnahan pitched his take on DD as a 70s-set blaxploitation style movie. To set it when Hell's Kitchen was, well, hellish!.

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Yeah, when I wrote the novelization of the Ben Affleck movie, I spent an afternoon walking around "Hell's Kitchen," taking photos for research purposes, but I quickly realized that that Clinton in 2002 bore little resemblance to the place Frank Miller was writing back in the '80s, so I just copied the comics instead.

Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man aren't "sellers" per se either and yet.....

Sure both have had their moments but overall the length of a characters ongoing series or ability to maintain one isn't a factor for what movie Marvel Studios may choose to do.

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I'll believe those two when they actually hit the theaters, not before. Just like I'll believe the rumors about "Cloak & Dagger" on the small screen when it premieres, not before. And I'll be shocked if any of them actually perform well ratings/BO-wise.

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Then you won't have long to wait. Both of those are no longer just ideas being kicked around. By 2014 you'll be able to fully believe then. They are no longer in the rumored category like Cloak&Dagger, Runaways, Dr.Strange or Iron Fist.

I saw a comment from Lauren Shuler Donner today that she'd be glad to work out an Avengers/X-Men screen crossover, but even aside from the legal/financial difficulties, I'm not sure how it would work, since the X-franchise these days seems to be set squarely in the past, and it's hard to see how to move forward from the present of The Last Stand.

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Perhaps First Class 2 aka Days of Futures Past is going to allow a way for things to move forward after the events of Last Stand. Perhaps.

Well it would be nice if the other "universes" could link up somehow. I mean right now Fox with the X-Men related properties has sorta soft rebooted. Spider-Man has completely rebooted. I know there was even a rumor that the Oscorp tower would make a "cameo" in Avengers and vice versa with Stark Tower.

I mean Marvel is still the company that created the characters and the universe. Sure Fox and Sony have the rights to the movies made with them, but they didn't create the characters and part of the beauty of Marvel is how it's more than simply a universe where like "Character A" is the main hero and "Character B" is the main hero in his universe and such. Spider-Man runs into the X-Men, Tony Stark knows Emma Frost. Matt Murdock represents other heroes in their civilian IDs.

It wouldn't be the first time other studios have collaborated on a property, so why not? I do love the idea of Matt Murdock showing up in Phase 2 as a lawyer who just happens to have a radar sense. Maybe even have some rumors of Daredevil come up in like a newspaper or news segment or something.

I was paired with Avi Arad and [Amazing Spider-Man producer] Matthew Tolmach for my 1-on-1 [...]

Here’s the story – last week, The Amazing Spider-Man's production designer J Michael Riva passed away after suffering a stroke at the age of 63. Not only did he design the Oscorp Tower for ASM, but he has a staggering resume of awesomeness including The Goonies, The Color Purple, A Few Good Men, Congo, Evolution, and the upcoming Django Unchained.

Oh – And the Iron Man movies.

That design overlap, and the stunning look of the Oscorp Tower (seriously stunning) was enough for Marvel Studios and Sony to have the discussion about inserting Oscorp into The Avengers skyline. The Unified Marvel Manhattan Skyline almost existed.

By the time the Oscorp building was fully designed, The Avengers digital Manhattan was already basically rendered and there was some up-conversion that needed to go down, so – for timing – it was scrapped.

How's this for an idea: have a superhero who isn't in New York, or some generic fictional city that often stands in for the same. Bravo for Iron Man 1-2 basing Tony in LA, even if the latter movie does end up in NYC, but between the Avengers, Spidey, a rebooted FF and more, why not let another city have a shot, especially with a minor character?

Which is really all just a prelude to say: Daredevil in San Francisco. Think about it.