He sold the rights to televise it. But fundamentally, Dragonball remains his property, his franchise. So yeah, I'm convinced there has to be something in it for him as well. For example, he supervised GT's production. And I doubt he did that for free, don't you? But even if he did, it would still make sense for him to hype up GT and recommend it to the fans. Just to see it cancelled after only 64 episodes...

Dude get over yourself... You dont know what your talking about... GT is cannon get over it... Toriyama approved of it, Toei never just told him to he did it because he liked it... As "The Hazard" said. And the movies aren't meant to be cannon, GT was...

Yet you don't provide any proof that he said so, and we're supposed to take what you, likely a kid, say at face value. Isn't happening. GT is a bad continuation of Dragonball. That's it.

My god, I once thought you possessed some mediocre intelligence, but now I'm not so sure. Just because Toriyama "approved" something does not make it Canon(With 2 N's not 3). Get that through your head.

God damn kid your starting to piss me off... It becomes canon when the creator approves of it as a continuation now get your head out of your ass and listen to the *bleep*ing truth before you make yourself look even mroe *bleep* than you already do.

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GT is a low grade continuation of the Dragon Ball Z Anime. The movies are also based on the Anime, and they don't fit either. Thats why in a serious debate about DBZ, you do not utter the words "But in GT..."

Also, you cannot count GT and not the movies. Simple as that.

YES... YOU... CAN!!! THE MOVIES ARE MADE FOR ENTERTAINMENT NOT CONTINUATION!!! *bleep* the stupidity here is bugging me like hell, I already have enough real life problems going on as is. I dont need to explain to some GT hating kid that it is an official continuation no matter what he says.

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Yet you don't provide any proof that he said so, and we're supposed to take what you, likely a kid, say at face value. Isn't happening. GT is a bad continuation of Dragonball. That's it.

I dont want to be botehred getting you the proof... It happened, if you dont believe me ask others that have also seen that such as "SSJ4BROLY" and all the others that agree with me. Just because it is bad does NOT, I mean NOT, make it illogical to use.

P.S. If you kids are going to continue I am not gonna be a part of it anymore as you kids are just in denial, and I am not gonna argue with a bunch of babies. So stop complaining, or your gonna be talking to yourself.

P.S.S. I do not mean to sound like I am flaming and I apologize if it seems that way

God damn kid your starting to piss me off... It becomes canon when the creator approves of it as a continuation now get your head out of your ass and listen to the *bleep*ing truth before you make yourself look even mroe *bleep* than you already do

GT is not canon. You think it's canon, a few others do too. But I can point you in the direction of another forum where they do not, and I mean DO NOT, use GT, anime, or movies in any way. What you don't seem to realise, is that the Canon is what Toriyama drew, not what Toei drew as a continuation. By your obscene logic, Toybles AF is also Canon.

Its a canon continuation! Not canon to DBZ 100% as I already knew that... I said it was a canon continuation and thus makes it a valid argument to use things in GT... So just stop complaining about it.

Wanna keep threads like these around? Then shape up. This is like a bunch of weak minded kids throwing dirt at each other. GT is not canon regardless of it having the creator's approval. Toriyama supervised GT's production, and even that in a limited way. The canon of Dragonball is the manga and the animated sequences based directly off of it. That's the canon. Does GT fit there? No. Do anime fillers? No. Do the movies? No. Do the specials? Yes. They do fit because they are featured in the manga. It's just, that easy.

All this arguing over canon to non-canon? Get over it already, whether GT was canon or not, nothing will exempt the fact that was it actually made into a series. I personally loved it and saw it as a continuation in the series and I was quite pleased with it but that's just me.

Anyways onto the Goku and Gohan thing, if Gohan's mystic form(btw I've always wondered who the hell came up with "mystic") was so powerful that even Goku was surprised and shocked by his powers Gohan obviously must've exceeded anything Goku ever thought was possible with power(until Vegito that is). Goku could've also been holding back a lot of times too, he said himself he probably could've killed fat buu if he actually tried. Whether he was stronger than Gohan or not doesn't mean he could still hold his own pretty well. Against Gotenks Buu he wasn't gaining a big advantage but he definately wasn't getting his ass kicked all over the place like Gohan was. In any case Goku is the more experienced fighter I think and by the end of Z(and GT if you count that) Goku had been keeping up with his training consistently and growing stronger and stronger while Gohan wanted to settle down and pursue an education and start a family. His powers were truely magnificent when he needed them most but he probably lost a lot of power after Majin Buu was finally defeated because he settled down. I wouldn't doubt for the moment when Gohan achieved this form that he was stronger than Goku at Super Saiyan 3 during the battle against Buu.

I'll gladly put a lock on it. Here is the definition of the term "canon", as used in a fictional universe, derived from Wikipedia:

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Canon, in the context of a fictional universe, comprises those novels, stories, films, etc., that are considered to be genuine or officially sanctioned, and those events, characters, settings, etc., that are considered to have existence within the fictional universe. In order for a setting to appear coherent, especially in fictions that contain multiple parts, both creators and audiences sometimes find it useful to define what has and has not "actually happened" in that universe.

Here's the particularly interesting part:

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Material that is considered canon usually comes from the original source(1) or author(2) of the fictional universe, while (some) spin-offs(3) and adaptations to other media(4) are more likely to be non-canon and fan fiction is almost always non-canon.

If they must, let them. Will I respond? No, because my last post is the bottomline on that subject. For me anyways.

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Anyway, potential wise? Gohan > Goku no matter how you look at it.

That can be argued against as well. That is, if you factor GT. How come? Because of SSJ4, and how it appears to have limited accessibility to full bloods only. I designed the "excuse", or "reasoning", whichever you like better, that SSJ4 was unknown Saiyan potential prior to GT. Goku and Vegeta had no tails in DBZ, meaning SSJ4 wasn't available for them at the time, meaning they had no way of keeping up with Gohan's "Mystic" form. Besides fusion that is.

The only thing they could argue with, is that it said canon usually comes from the original source.

Grasping at straws is what that is. If you ask me, a true Dragonball fan should be able to distinquish the canon from non canon quite effortlessly. Akira's work is the canon, Toei's is not. Except for the anime sequences taken directly from the manga, that's the only exception.

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And as soon as you involve fusion you enter the grey area. Can fusion really be considered as potential?

Vegito's and Gogeta's potential counts as theirs, not as Goku's or Vegeta's. Naturally, when two become one, a being emerges with capabilities that greatly exceed that of either individual.

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Yeah, forgot about the whole tail thing. So DBZ is Gohan > All (in everything) and GT is Goku > All (in almost everything).

The only thing they could argue with, is that it said canon usually comes from the original source.

Grasping at straws is what that is. If you ask me, a true Dragonball fan should be able to distinquish the canon from non canon quite effortlessly. Akira's work is the canon, Toei's is not. Except for the anime sequences taken directly from the manga, that's the only exception.

I didn't say otherwise. I said someone might.

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And as soon as you involve fusion you enter the grey area. Can fusion really be considered as potential?

Vegito's and Gogeta's potential counts as theirs, not as Goku's or Vegeta's. Naturally, when two become one, a being emerges with capabilities that greatly exceed that of either individual.

I thought it just combined their strength, since there wasn't much of an explanation given.

Essentially, combining two powers into one is exactly what fusion does. But it also gives a boost, how high this boost is depends on the type of fusion used. Simple logic would dictate that Vegito for example, has a much greater potential than Goku or Vegeta as seperate entities. As would Gogeta. Fusion is really the only way Goku and Vegeta could exceed Gohan's strength, in DBZ anyway.