IMHO Roy was taking it easy on kimbo. He clearly likes the dude. He said exactly what he was going to do before the fight even happened. He said if he got him in a crucifix and was just barely tapping him but the shots were unanswered that the ref has to stop the fight...that's the rules. I think he didn't want to hurt kimbo or maybe he was asked to take it easy. One or the other. Hopefully he wasn't asked to take it easy.

His ground game is great. This guy submitted Mir (biggest name that popped into my head as far as heavyweight bjj) in a submission match.

That can't be denied. My beef lies with those people who say he doesn't belong in the UFC *because* of this.

But that is the thing. He stand up doesn't seem great either. The only thing keeping Kimbo afloat IMO is the fact that he could make the UFC some money. As far as his overall skills are concerned, I think he is in the lower half of the TUF members this year. If history holds, the bottom half of TUF fighters rarely fight more than once or twice in the UFC.

At this point I think Kimbo would be lucky to succeed in a WEC calibre organization.

IMHO Roy was taking it easy on kimbo. He clearly likes the dude. He said exactly what he was going to do before the fight even happened. He said if he got him in a crucifix and was just barely tapping him but the shots were unanswered that the ref has to stop the fight...that's the rules. I think he didn't want to hurt kimbo or maybe he was asked to take it easy. One or the other. Hopefully he wasn't asked to take it easy.

His ground game is great. This guy submitted Mir (biggest name that popped into my head as far as heavyweight bjj) in a submission match.

ryo chonan also subbed silva but that doesnt make ryos ground game great.

seriously all he did was lay on him.not to mention he couldnt even pull a sub on kimbo who allegedly has no ground game

But that is the thing. He stand up doesn't seem great either. The only thing keeping Kimbo afloat IMO is the fact that he could make the UFC some money. As far as his overall skills are concerned, I think he is in the lower half of the TUF members this year. If history holds, the bottom half of TUF fighters rarely fight more than once or twice in the UFC.

At this point I think Kimbo would be lucky to succeed in a WEC calibre organization.

I don't disagree with any of this.

He's a street fighter so of course his skills/technique are going to lack. He may develop into an elite striker...he may not. It won't be the first time someone's failed in the UFC and it won't be the last.

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I was unimpressed by Nelson's stoppage.Those punches from the krucifix seemed lame.he definately should have went for a submission stoppage.It would have looked much bette for him.All though hats off to nelson as he gets to continue to the next round.

I think Roy's biggest problem is that he has no desire for improving his fitness. I think his lack of fitness is what gave him the most problems in the fight last night, not Kimbos strength/abilities or Roys abilities.

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regarding the stoppage, whether the punches were actually hard or not is irrelevant. The ref can't assume punches are hurting or not. It has to be based off of whether the fighter was or could defend themselves. I think it was a fair stoppage. It's not like it was stopped after two unanswered punches. I think it was at least 10.

Hypothetically speaking Roy could have sat there hitting him for the rest of the round. Then what would think have happened if Kimbo then had permanent damage after that? Heads would be flying and possibly rules changed (or MMA deregulated).

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I think Roy's biggest problem is that he has no desire for improving his fitness. I think his lack of fitness is what gave him the most problems in the fight last night, not Kimbos strength/abilities or Roys abilities.

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regarding the stoppage, whether the punches were actually hard or not is irrelevant. The ref can't assume punches are hurting or not. It has to be based off of whether the fighter was or could defend themselves. I think it was a fair stoppage. It's not like it was stopped after two unanswered punches. I think it was at least 10.

Hypothetically speaking Roy could have sat there hitting him for the rest of the round. Then what would think have happened if Kimbo then had permanent damage after that? Heads would be flying and possibly rules changed (or MMA deregulated).

dont think mma would be deregulated.only because boxing is still around

a more logical result would be that ref losing his job

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