This is a deliberate and illegal executive action from our FLAMMING LIBERAL DOOSH of a president obama. We need to stand united as Americans to fight back against all of our rights getting Sh*t on constantly. I have a SCAR-L and this is the ammo it was made to shoot and shoot at longer ranges, now it is banned!

bruteandbear1 wrote:This is a deliberate and illegal executive action from our FLAMMING LIBERAL DOOSH of a president obama. We need to stand united as Americans to fight back against all of our rights getting Sh*t on constantly. I have a SCAR-L and this is the ammo it was made to shoot and shoot at longer ranges, now it is banned!

It's been banned *already*? Gee...that's news to the world. It was a draft of what they *want* to do, nothing has happened yet.

bruteandbear1 wrote:I wrote statement for the cda press and will see were it goes from there. All people must know before I write to congress or anything of that manner.

This is an absolute waste of time. Unless the lawmakers and decision makers are contacted, griping in a limited run press is about as effective screaming your head off in a closet and expecting someone 2000 miles away to change their behavior.

The ATF & BHO can squawk all they want, but neither of the can make law. Or am I missing something? An Executive order doesn't apply to me, and a simple declaration by the ATF doesn't make me a criminal.

However, that hasn't stopped the run on ammo. Given the ammo shortage throughout his administration, it would not surprise me to find out he had investments in metals or ammo companies!

Mister Freeze wrote:The ATF & BHO can squawk all they want, but neither of the can make law. Or am I missing something? An Executive order doesn't apply to me, and a simple declaration by the ATF doesn't make me a criminal.

However, that hasn't stopped the run on ammo. Given the ammo shortage throughout his administration, it would not surprise me to find out he had investments in metals or ammo companies!

The Congress makes the law, but the individual agencies often have broad latitude to *interpret* and *implement* the law, which is how ATF can "reinterpret" how they classify SS109 projectiles.

When they make that reclassification, it then has the force of law.

However...in this case, as soon as they do that they're going to get hammered with lawsuits arguing that they're violating both the letter and intent of the law they're reinterpreting since there were very clear exemptions written into it.

Might this stick? Yes, it might. Anytime you have an out of control Federal agency you have to worry, especially if it goes to the courts.

However, I would start looking behind the curtains and for what this could be distracting attention from...

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.
The agency said in a statement on Tuesday it would not seek to issue the final guidelines "at this time." The proposal pertained to M855 "green tip" ammunition, used in the AR-15 rifle, which regulators looked at banning because it can pierce police body armor.
The ATF said it would instead wait until Americans have finished commenting on the federal regulations and evaluate their comments and suggestions before "proceeding with any framework."
The statement follows 52 senators and 238 House members joining in opposition to any attempt the Obama administration might make to ban the ammo.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.
The agency said in a statement on Tuesday it would not seek to issue the final guidelines "at this time." The proposal pertained to M855 "green tip" ammunition, used in the AR-15 rifle, which regulators looked at banning because it can pierce police body armor.
The ATF said it would instead wait until Americans have finished commenting on the federal regulations and evaluate their comments and suggestions before "proceeding with any framework."
The statement follows 52 senators and 238 House members joining in opposition to any attempt the Obama administration might make to ban the ammo.

Weren't they already going wait for the comments to close before they do anything? That was the point of the comments? It just seems like we're exactly where we've been for a week or two now. If anything, it's just more time for the frenzy buyers to frenzy buy... :p