Close to Ideal?

Of Course

No Way

I know this is not gonna happen, but do think this would be close to ideal if SSB4 was the last game in the series and if Sakurai allowed more third parties? (red outline means new characters) I do, but that's just my opinion.

Most of the rosters good except a couple that's all. Take the one guy cause he's already a trophy in super smash brod brawl and take mewtoo and banjo out cause mewtwo was already removed once by lucario and banjo is now owned by Microsoft which is Xbox360 then your perfect besides those three that would be a really good roster oh and rayman should get outta there too cause he's playstation

Certainly not even near the worse, but not really good either. You didn't cut anyone and you brought back Mewtwo, those are good signs. You even remembered some good choices people forget like Shulk and Saki. Still a lot of problems though:

-79 characters is ridiculous for a game like this. They'd have to sacrifice a lot of the game's depth (whats left of it) to pull that many characters out of their asses. Keep it around 50.

-Geno is incredibly obscure, overall unimportant, and his rights are owned by Square. There are better and more appreciated Mario and Square characters to choose from, he's not worth the legal hassle. Same goes for Mallow.

-Raiden and Tails shouldn't be in either. This is a Nintendo game, loading in multiple third-party characters from the same franchise is just pushing out more Nintendo reps and inviting in all kinds of demand from fans that only pulls the game further away from what its supposed to be. Has Raiden even shown up a Nintendo console? Besides, if they're going to add another Konami character, it should be a Belmont. And after that, a Contra dude.

-Magnus and Eggplant Wizard are small-time compared to the more prominent, main driving characters of the Kid Icarus series, namely Medusa, Palutena, and Hades. I think Medusa would be best, since she could just summon Eggplant Wizards and Grim Reapers for a move.

-Isaac AND Matthew is redundant. Pick one or the other. Or one could be a costume of the other. Same for Olimar and Louie.

-Sakurai has also gone on record saying he didn't want Miis or AC Villagers because they weren't violent characters, they're meant to appeal to casual players, and thus wouldn't fit the style of the game.

-Viewtiful Joe has no stringent connection with Nintendo, at least not one greater than his connections to other first parties. There are more meaningful and Nintendo-related Capcom choices, like Ryu.

-Banjo is impossible because he is owned by Microsoft, a rival first-party. There is no way he can appear.

-I personally don't want Lloyd or Waluigi in either because they're not important enough, but sadly unlike Banjo they are both highly possible at this point.

-Dillan is awesome but too new, Chibi is too obscure, Mother has run it's course so Masked Man isn't really relevant anymore. And if there's going to be another Pokemon Trainer, it should be a villain like Giovani or N. Playable villains = More variety. Though personally I think one trainer is enough, two is overkill (three movesets for one character? really?).

-You don't seem to have a real new "Surprise" character - a super obscure character from a super obscure series that only the most hardcore fans will recognize. Melee had Game & Watch, Brawl had ROB, there should be another in SSB4. I'd like to suggest Captain N.

The rest are mostly decent choices, you just need to trim the herd a lot. And you forgot Midna

Certainly not even near the worse, but not really good either. You didn't cut anyone and you brought back Mewtwo, those are good signs. You even remembered some good choices people forget like Shulk and Saki. Still a lot of problems though:

-79 characters is ridiculous for a game like this. They'd have to sacrifice a lot of the game's depth (whats left of it) to pull that many characters out of their asses. Keep it around 50.

-Geno is incredibly obscure, overall unimportant, and his rights are owned by Square. There are better and more appreciated Mario and Square characters to choose from, he's not worth the legal hassle. Same goes for Mallow.

-Raiden and Tails shouldn't be in either. This is a Nintendo game, loading in multiple third-party characters from the same franchise is just pushing out more Nintendo reps and inviting in all kinds of demand from fans that only pulls the game further away from what its supposed to be. Has Raiden even shown up a Nintendo console? Besides, if they're going to add another Konami character, it should be a Belmont. And after that, a Contra dude.

-Magnus and Eggplant Wizard are small-time compared to the more prominent, main driving characters of the Kid Icarus series, namely Medusa, Palutena, and Hades. I think Medusa would be best, since she could just summon Eggplant Wizards and Grim Reapers for a move.

-Isaac AND Matthew is redundant. Pick one or the other. Or one could be a costume of the other. Same for Olimar and Louie.

-Sakurai has also gone on record saying he didn't want Miis or AC Villagers because they weren't violent characters, they're meant to appeal to casual players, and thus wouldn't fit the style of the game.

-Viewtiful Joe has no stringent connection with Nintendo, at least not one greater than his connections to other first parties. There are more meaningful and Nintendo-related Capcom choices, like Ryu.

-Banjo is impossible because he is owned by Microsoft, a rival first-party. There is no way he can appear.

-I personally don't want Lloyd or Waluigi in either because they're not important enough, but sadly unlike Banjo they are both highly possible at this point.

-Dillan is awesome but too new, Chibi is too obscure, Mother has run it's course so Masked Man isn't really relevant anymore. And if there's going to be another Pokemon Trainer, it should be a villain like Giovani or N. Playable villains = More variety. Though personally I think one trainer is enough, two is overkill (three movesets for one character? really?).

-You don't seem to have a real new "Surprise" character - a super obscure character from a super obscure series that only the most hardcore fans will recognize. Melee had Game & Watch, Brawl had ROB, there should be another in SSB4. I'd like to suggest Captain N.

The rest are mostly decent choices, you just need to trim the herd a lot. And you forgot Midna

~TheDillo~

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-I understand 79 is a lot, but this roster is unrealistic It is just a fun idea if Nintendo put as many characters as they could into the next game if for some reason it was the last in the series.

-You have a point, I don't think they are really that popular so maybe not worth the hassle, but If Nintendo could made a deal with Square easily they should defiantly add at least one of them. They aren't bad characters for Smash by any means.

-I do agree that Belmont would be better and should replace Raiden, but I do think Tails would be the one other character the Sonic series that really does deserve to be included. He has almost as much screen time as Sonic in the series and is Sonic's partner or sidekick like Luigi is to Mario. He's kinda important. (What other Sega characters do you think would be better then Tails?)

-Eggplant would be kinda unique in my opinion, but he isn't really deserving as you said, but I believe Magnus has good move set potential and is one of the few characters that do so in the Kid Icarus series. I thought he was a decent character as well. I'm not really sure how Medusa could really have a good move set in my opinion.

-Agreed. I did thought maybe Mathew could use different moves from Dark Dawn, but the series really doesn't need both. As for Louie I thought he could at least use the new Pikmin in Pikmin 3 to be unique. I think it is a possibility, but not necessary. I wouldn't mind if it happened though.

-I guess it makes sense, they might feel out of place. They should at least be assist trophies or something though.

-I know, but this is supposed to be unrealistic, but ideal. I believe Banjo defiantly should and deserves to be in if it was possible.

-Don't really have to have Waluigi, but I believe they could make his move set unique by using things from the sport and party games he has been in. It could be cool to see things from those games. Maybe not the most deserving third party, but I believe Llloyd is still worthy of joining. He is a good character and Tales of Symphonia (at least the first one seem to be very liked by the people who played it, like me.) I don't mind Namco making it if he is more likely to be in.

-Why would i be bad for Nintendo to add Dillon? They should support new IPs if they deserve it, instead of jut old ones. In Brawl Olimar was the newest character and his first game was in 2001. Why wouldn't Chibi be a good obscure character? You just said he was obscure. I understand Mother is pretty much over, but I believe the Mask Man is still a good choice especially for his move set and shouldn't be ignored by Nintendo because of popularity of the series only in the U.S. (The series is still really popular in Japan) One more good character for the awesome Mother series wouldn't hurt, right? Another trainer may be too much, but I think N would defiantly be the best choice if there was another. A villain (sort of) i cool and he could support the newer Pokemon games and creatures.

-Like I said earlier why couldn't Chibi be obscure? Captain N could still be cool, though does there just have to be one obscure character?

These are just my opinions though. Thanks for sharing your opinions and feel free to put mine down again.