Mike Woodson is convinced he can salvage Andrea Bargnani’s once promising career in New York. “I’ll put him in the best position I can to see that happens in terms of him being successful in helping us win,” Woodson told reporters in Las Vegas.

LAS VEGAS — Hey Brooklyn, don’t sleep on the Knicks.
That was coach Mike Woodson’s message from Sin City, where he broke his silence. Woodson said it’s too early to proclaim the Nets have surpassed the Knicks in the Atlantic Division, though that has become the conventional wisdom…

LAS VEGAS — Tim Hardaway Jr. believes the Knicks netted two first-round picks during the June 27 NBA Draft.
The Knicks selected the Michigan shooting guard star at No. 24, and in a pleasant surprise to the organization, they were able to sign North Carolina State’s C.J. Leslie after…

26 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jul 11 2013)”

Yea..I don’t know what the [your choice of expletive] Dumars is thinkin. Rumor has it that the Knicks were interested too. So glad we didn’t make that move. On the other hand..great risk by the Cavs. If it works they will have a really nice core of Bynum, Irving, and Bennett. Which would give them crazy flexibility in any future trade market with having Sideshow Bob, Waiters, and Thompson to dangle in a trade.
As far as the Knicks go, I would love to add MWP if he gets amnestied. My only concern is adding his volatility to JR’s. other than that, if he played on that 2nd unit with Bargnani, I think it will balance things out as well as keep Melo fresh. I hear the team is also after Tyrus Thomas. I like that move as well but only if we don’t get MWP. Thomas, JR, and MWP is too much for even Phil Jackson to overcome. If we can bring in Brandan Wright, MWP, and Aaron Brooks in on the cheap..I think our roster is set and pretty damn good barring injuries.

There was too much to overcome with Billups. He wanted more money than the Knicks could afford, and he is still pissed at the front office for the way he was dismissed by NY. Not to mention, he probably wanted a bigger role than pg3.

Re: Jerome Jordan – he has been less than impressive in the Orl Summer League. He’s playing for the Pacers. In 28 min of play (over 3 games), he has scored 2 points (from free-throws) and grabbed 6 rebounds. He has no FGAs. He does has 3 blocks, however.

TDM:
There was too much to overcome with Billups.He wanted more money than the Knicks could afford, and he is still pissed at the front office for the way he was dismissed by NY.Not to mention, he probably wanted a bigger role than pg3.

Re: Jerome Jordan – he has been less than impressive in the Orl Summer League.He’s playing for the Pacers.In 28 min of play (over 3 games), he has scored 2 points (from free-throws) and grabbed 6 rebounds.He has no FGAs.He does has 3 blocks, however.

And thank sweet baby cheesus that there was too much to overcome with Chauncey. I would have been LIVID if we’d signed him. Combine his inability to stay healthy with the fact that he’s not really a PG anymore, more of a spot up shooter than anything, and he’d have been a terrible fit here.

And not particularly good at that either. Add me to the list of people who are thrilled that the Knicks couldn’t afford Billups. I thought that he was vastly overrated in his prime and he is no longer even a shadow of the guy he was back then. His reputation as “Mr. Big Shot” is one of the biggest fictions in the history of NBA reporting. I remember reading an article about 2 years ago which said that, in “late and close” situations over the prior 5 years, his shooting percentage was one of the lowest in the entire league — something like 21%.

Can we just agree that Jerome Jordan, is not, and will never be, and NBA caliber center?

The guy is 26 years old, and based on his performance in Summer League, the training staff should be checking his pulse. He’s not good, and he’s not going to get good.

Maybe someone else who is at least decent (Dalembert? Aldrich?) falls into our lap for cheap, but I’d honestly rather we have Amar’e and Bargnani platoon at back-up center with someone like K-Mart or Artest (god willing) to babysit them on defense, than sign and play a scrub just because he’s 7′ tall.

Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

johnno: And not particularly good at that either.Add me to the list of people who are thrilled that the Knicks couldn’t afford Billups.I thought that he was vastly overrated in his prime and he is no longer even a shadow of the guy he was back then.His reputation as “Mr. Big Shot” is one of the biggest fictions in the history of NBA reporting.I remember reading an article about 2 years ago which said that, in “late and close” situations over the prior 5 years, his shooting percentage was one of the lowest in the entire league — something like 21%.

Yeah. The Mr. Big Shot thing is a clear cut case of reality being buried under an avalanche of narrative. A good friend of mine is a Detroit native and Pistons fanatic and, while he respects Billups and appreciates the role he played on the championship team, he has always maintained that Billups was overrated and never caught enough flak for being a chucker and not a true PG.

Keniman Shumpwalker: he has always maintained that Billups was overrated and never caught enough flak for being a chucker and not a true PG.

When the Knicks first acquired Billups, I thought that they were getting a real point guard. After watching him for about 20 games, my reaction was, “This guy has no clue whatsoever how to actually run an offense. He can’t run a simple pnr and the next pass that he makes to a guy for an easy shot will be his first.” I couldn’t wait for them to unload him (until I saw Toney Douglas, of course, at which time I got a major case of “becarefulwhatyouwishfor”).

johnno: When the Knicks first acquired Billups, I thought that they were getting a real point guard.After watching him for about 20 games, my reaction was, “This guy has no clue whatsoever how to actually run an offense.He can’t run a simple pnr and the next pass that he makes to a guy for an easy shot will be his first.”I couldn’t wait for them to unload him (until I saw Toney Douglas, of course, at which time I got a major case of “becarefulwhatyouwishfor”).

I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

Keniman Shumpwalker: I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

Didn’t we start referring to him as Chauncey “Pullups” after about three games?

Juany8:
Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

I also wouldn’t mind it. At least you know what you’re going to get with Jeffries, and his defensive versatility would be nice to have.

Of course, if we want him, I think Grunwald could call him up the day before training camp so it’s not a huge priority at this point. But better Jared Jeffries than Jerome Jordan, IMO.

Keniman Shumpwalker: I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

He’s never been much of a PnR guard, but it seemed like he actually just refused to run it as a “screw you” to D’Antoni, whom he disliked seemingly right off the bat.

flossy: Can we just agree that Jerome Jordan, is not, and will never be, and NBA caliber center?

The guy is 26 years old, and based on his performance in Summer League, the training staff should be checking his pulse. He’s not good, and he’s not going to get good.

He was one of the best centers in the D-League last year averaging about 17p/10r/3b per 40 in 42 games (in about 1200 minutes). Draftexpress thought he was a legit NBA player after watching him in the D-League. His (very small sample) NBA per-min numbers are solid. Not sure I’d make much of a 28 minute sample in Summer League when the guards all hog the ball and it’s basically a free-for-all.

flossy: He’s never been much of a PnR guard, but it seemed like he actually just refused to run it as a “screw you” to D’Antoni, whom he disliked seemingly right off the bat.

It certainly appeared that way. His timing on the PnR was just awful and he would half-ass it: never even attempted to come hard around the screen and create the crease necessary to deliver the ball to the dive man. It basically always ended up in a pull-up jumper from Chauncey or a re-set.

Juany8:
Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

His defense (and incredibly enough his offense) was a huge part of that Linsanity run two years ago. He’s every bit the the communicator/team defense guy that Chandler is. He’s also a great teammate and bench guy. I think at the vet minimum he’s an absolute no-brainer but his role shouldn’t be more than eleventh/twelfth man.

nicos: His defense (and incredibly enough his offense) was a huge part of that Linsanity run two years ago. He’s every bit the the communicator/team defense guy that Chandler is.He’s also a great teammate and bench guy.I think at the vet minimum he’s an absolute no-brainer but his role shouldn’t be more than eleventh/twelfth man.

Yeah, I’m very pro Jeffries. He’s incredibly limited, but he does all the little things and seemed like an amazing teammate. He’d be perfect for the 12th man.

yellowboy90: I am pretty sure it’s a hoax and can’t happen anyway because prigs can’t be traded until mid year or something now that the deal is official

Besides, why is Boston moving Rondo for a guard they could have had for a few million bucks two weeks ago and Amare?

thenamestsam: Yeah, I’m very pro Jeffries. He’s incredibly limited, but he does all the little things and seemed like an amazing teammate. He’d be perfect for the 12th man.

Besides, why is Boston moving Rondo for a guard they could have had for a few million bucks two weeks ago and Amare?

Makes more sense if it’s shump and Amare…. And I think the Knicks would just about have to go for that deal. I love shump though and am irrationally optimistic about his ceiling (keep in mind that as good as harden is now, there were still people saying OKC had made the wrong pick in his first 2 years, he wasn’t the star he is now)

Rondo? In NY?? Is it really possible?? And they would take STAT?? Please tell me ur kidding! If it is even remotely possible..yes..yes do it even of it costs Shump. Love Shump..but love rondo more. Say they would..I’m thinking it would hafta be in a package for Felton, Shump, and Stat. But..who would they trade to make the salaries match? Lee is the only other salary I can see them dumping because I imagine they would want to keep Green. And they can’t move humphries in that kinda deal, rite? But if it is at all possible, I’d do that deal..as long as it doesn’t cost Melo or Chandler..because word has it that AK has agreed to sign in BK. NOW I am concerned that they can overtake us for the Atlantic Division crown