I'm old enough to remember how the BBSes lit-up after the premiere of TNG in '87 so people could complain about how much the show was raping the IP because there was a Klingon in Starfleet - the Klingons who had just killed Kirk's son a few years earlier in the Search for Spock.

All arguments for Canon **** might be valid and worth something if the game wasn't set 30 years into the future from the last prime line....technically this is the new canon, as it is the only thing still representing the Prime Universe in lore.

not to mention they do their very best to give each "outside" ship I.E. Galor a backstory as to why they are being flown by federation characters.

All arguments for Canon **** might be valid and worth something if the game wasn't set 30 years into the future from the last prime line....technically this is the new canon, as it is the only thing still representing the Prime Universe in lore.

not to mention they do their very best to give each "outside" ship I.E. Galor a backstory as to why they are being flown by federation characters.

Hey! I'm all for the new ships. As you say, this timeline is 30 years past Nemesis and 40 years past the launch of TNG. As far as I'm concerned Galaxies should be the T1 ships in the game, with Sovereigns at T2, and all new IP ships at T3 and higher.

LOL, yes, you can. You honestly have had no idea that you can trade boffs, have other people train them in LTC and CDR abilities, and then trade them back...?

Lol, I now know that you can, lol, but it is very lol... counter-intuitive, since, lol, normally you have to take them on as, lol, crew to train them, lol.

Once they are your, lol, crew, your options normally become discharge, promote, or lol, train, with no LOL way to move them back into your lol, pool.

So, sorry for my not realizing something the game doesn't actually tell you outright, implies strongly that it would not work (since once as crew BOffs seem bound), and that you would not know unless you got into a trade and tried it.

I could see the ship appear asymmetrical from an off-center point of view. But yeah, technically not.

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1) The only Star Fleet dreadnought is only semi-official by way of the TOS Star Fleet Technical Manual and a very blurry image in one of the TOS movies, but it had 3 nacelles.

2) How can a dorsal nacelle make a ship asymmetrical? As for looking 'tacked on,' almost all Star Fleet nacelles are attached to the hull by pylons. Thus they all look 'tacked on.' The TOS connie is deliberately that way.

One, two, four has never made much sense to me in terms of ship design, especially when the first vessel we know of with four nacelles is the Stargazer, which is lower displacement than the two nacelle'd Galaxy.

Really guys? Guess it's just me. Port >> Starboard >> DORSAL?!? W/O Going completely geekazoid and bringing warp field dynamics, hull stress and structural integrity into the discussion. Three nacelles has never worked for me on a purely aesthetic basis.

@kimmera Bonus pts for bringing up Stagazer, forgot about that.

Oh and by the way, whens the last time you guys counted the nacelles on the multi-vecc's? LOL!

As to the cannon or IP-ness (lol Cryptic's phrase-ology, not mine!)

1) STO is set in the 25th century and the galaxy is at war so a lot has changed. Tech from other eras and races has been advanced and adapted. I'm sure we all use some of the M.A.C.O., Honor Guard or Borg tech, right? Transwarp jumps and Quantum Slipstreaam drives are used commonly, unless you prefer the slow boat to ESD? The small steps advancing androids, AI and holographic tech made by the TNG Enterprise crew and Voyager made photonic and android officers more commonplace etc etc.

2) It's a game and some concessions have to be made to appeal to the unwashed masses. Lockbox ships and vanity pets feed the devs and keep the PWE execs dressed in smart business suits, they aren't cheap.

Really guys? Guess it's just me. Port >> Starboard >> DORSAL?!? W/O Going completely geekazoid and bringing warp field dynamics, hull stress and structural integrity into the discussion. Three nacelles has never worked for me on a purely aesthetic basis.

The nacelles on Kirk's TOS Connie are attached to the secondary hull by sticks, and you are arguing against the Galaxy X's structural integrity? Really? And if warp drive required symmetry, why are the nacelles set so far back? Shouldn't they be centered front to back to ensure an even warp bubble?

Fair enough on not liking the aesthetics, though

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@kimmera Bonus pts for bringing up Stagazer, forgot about that.

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Oh and by the way, whens the last time you guys counted the nacelles on the multi-vecc's? LOL!

Special case, but I consider that a silly ship anyway.

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As to the cannon or IP-ness (lol Cryptic's phrase-ology, not mine!)

1) STO is set in the 25th century and the galaxy is at war so a lot has changed. Tech from other eras and races has been advanced and adapted. I'm sure we all use some of the M.A.C.O., Honor Guard or Borg tech, right? Transwarp jumps and Quantum Slipstreaam drives are used commonly, unless you prefer the slow boat to ESD? The small steps advancing androids, AI and holographic tech made by the TNG Enterprise crew and Voyager made photonic and android officers more commonplace etc etc.

Holographic, yes (although they conveniently seem to ignore the obvious related social issues). Androids, not so much. Data was a one-of, and not replicated in Picard's time. Data tried but failed.

(As a side note: There is indeed a Fleet Vor'cha, but it is called the Tor'Kaht, with the Vor'cha being just a secondary skin. That's why I didn't find it. It is still not a true battleship, of course.)

A huge hulking beast of a ship that can hopefully turn the tide of this war if not scare the opposition into suing for peace immediately on sight...

I wasn't prepared to go this far for lack of patience and the crayons, but let me paint a picture here... It won't be pretty.

It's war people, on several fronts.

Fed vs. KDF... Immaterial. Before the Khitomer Accords hostilities were nearly commonplace. Even before the Dominion war tensions were high there. The seemingly unprovoked attack on the Gorn homeworld was simply the last straw... or was it?

Romulans? Since the Hobus disaster their power base has been marginalized, they aren't a major player, now at least.

Dominion, Cardassians, and rogue groups like the True Way or the Orion Syndicate continue to be a growing concern.

Still there's a bigger picture.

The Borg have been spotted in every major sector in the galaxy and have taken whole worlds in the Gamma Oriana region as well as Deferra Prime and Kerrat. Special Task Forces of joint fleets both Fed & KDF, using very specialized weapons, tactics and ships of classified origin have been working diligently to contain these seemingly random instances of Borg incursions throughout the galaxy.

It seems like they're everywhere, either searching for, or running from something. Individuals liberated from the collective have not yet been able to shed any further light on this possibility.

Then there's disturbing reports of "Shapeshifters", imposters infiltrating the command structure of nearly every major player in the political structure of the galaxy. Contacts in both the KDF & Starfleet have ruled out the Founders, that leaves the Undine or Species 8472. Reports on their movements and motivations are sketchy at best, but up until recently it was believed they wanted only to be left alone in their dimension or "fluidic space"

So at the end of the day we have every major and minor aggressor in the galaxy potentially at each others throats, as it's so often been before for the last three hundred years or so. But we have two very powerful and unpredictable wild-cards; the Borg and Undine; who we know both have the abilities to transfer ships and personnel virtually any where, at any time, without warning almost instantly. And in the case of the Undine may be able to pose as any body.

So I ask you gentlemen & ladies... Captains... Vice Admirals and Lt. Generals... I ask you this. What do we do? What DO WE DO when forces both known and unknown are moving in on our respective territories... When every allegiance seems to be only a temporary cease-fire. Every sentient species capable of warp drive technology that has an axe to grind seems to be looking at his neighbor with an itchy trigger finger and it seems some unseen hand, claw or tendril is writing in big bold letter that we are bound for total war, what do we do?

We look at the facts as they are. Both threats; the Borg and the Undine can be traced back to the Delta Quadrant, I'm sure everyone can agree on that. I could point out records from the Enterprise D and Voyager supporting these facts, but I don't think I need to do that. Suffice it to say these are historical facts. Lets look more in depth into other historical facts of those eras in the past and those areas. Both ships have encountered many different races, some peaceful, some not. Many with technologies that were equal if not superior to our own at the time. All of these are historical facts, which can be researched in greater detail. Are you still with me? Superior technologies, superior firepower and yet we prevailed. Why? Because we had to.

So let me make this perfectly clear for those of you that are hard of hearing. I for one don't want to see my family or crew assimilated or replaced by some squishy quadruped in a god damn skin suit! Neither do I want to see them in the middle of a three way with Cardassian separatists, Breen raiders or Ferengi Pirates. Do you understand me now?

This committee will come to order, settle their differences and un-fu... remedy this situation immediately. We need a design that will totally demoralize the enemy. We need a threat of overwhelming, embarrassing defeat that will make the opportunistic profiteers think twice about stepping out of line and will beat the unknown invaders so bad their descendants will soil themselves when they hear about how we held the line, am I understood? If a delegate from the Tholian Assembly beams in and offers us a prototype for that damn web system that actually works someone here better damn well thank him and shake whatever appendage he offers, am I understood?

Until we have a working design agreed upon all other priorities are rescinded, all leaves cancelled. The replicators have been programmed to dispense nothing but basic .nutrients, black coffee and Raktajino.