Again, I don't have a dog in this fight but I am not willing to automatically side with the guy who gets to tell his side and has a white name.

Yep, and next they're going to bring in some other "experts" to say that the lone witness didn't really see Trayvon beating Zimmerman like he thought he saw, and that the marks on the back of Zimmerman's head in the enhanced police video aren't really there, and that the 911 operator didn't really ask Zimmerman what color Trayvon was first, before he said "he looks like he's black". Because in America anymore the white guys and the authorities are all liars, and the media tells nothing but the truth and has no agenda.

BTW I thought I was supported to be the bleeding heart liberal fighting for the rights of the downtrodden minority against the evil white mainstream establishment and you were supposed to be the conservative right to carry a gun and use it if needed and lets keep out neighborhood safe from the riffraff that doesn't belong.

I wish I had neighbors like this guy. As everyone has said on here, it is not the duty of the police to stop crimes from happening. Whose duty is it then? Guy lives in a trashy ass suburb (Sanford, Fl.), and sees a minority acting suspicious, decides to intervene and stop something before it happens. BRAVO for doing what others won't.

I wish I had neighbors like this guy. As everyone has said on here, it is not the duty of the police to stop crimes from happening. Whose duty is it then? Guy lives in a trashy ass suburb (Sanford, Fl.), and sees a minority acting suspicious, decides to intervene and stop something before it happens. BRAVO for doing what others won't.

Except in this case there was no indication that TM was going to do anything that needed stopping.

BTW I thought I was supported to be the bleeding heart liberal fighting for the rights of the downtrodden minority against the evil white mainstream establishment and you were supposed to be the conservative right to carry a gun and use it if needed and lets keep out neighborhood safe from the riffraff that doesn't belong.

Weird isn't it...

I just wish that the fanatic members of the black community that wan't this guy hung without a trail would chill out and let the process work itself out a little bit. Like Kerry and I were discussing with all of the media attention the prosecutors are probably laying way back on this thing quadruple checking everything before they make any moves so they don't blow it in front of the national audience.

One thing I just don't understand is why everything has to be racist. But there are racist people of all races. And yes, some of these fanatical, racist people do horrible things to the other side. Nothing will ever change that. Despite that I believe the system is generally blind to race and it pretty much fucks everyone indiscriminately.

I just wish that the fanatic members of the black community that wan't this guy hung without a trail would chill out and let the process work itself out a little bit. Like Kerry and I were discussing with all of the media attention the prosecutors are probably laying way back on this thing quadruple checking everything before they make any moves so they don't blow it in front of the national audience.

One thing I just don't understand is why everything has to be racist. But there are racist people of all races. And yes, some of these fanatical, racist people do horrible things to the other side. Nothing will ever change that. Despite that I believe the system is generally blind to race and it pretty much fucks everyone indiscriminately.

BTW I thought I was supported to be the bleeding heart liberal fighting for the rights of the downtrodden minority against the evil white mainstream establishment and you were supposed to be the conservative right to carry a gun and use it if needed and lets keep out neighborhood safe from the riffraff that doesn't belong.

Oh.. I am but at the same time I don't want vigilantly jackasses running around giving us all a bad name. I also don't think that having a CPL means you should go out looking for a fight. I don't think most people with a CPL have that mentality at all, but the ones that do give us all a bad name. I am saying this in general and not inferring that I know for a fact that Z was doing what I describe. I worry he may have been, but since I don't know I would be jumping to conclusions.

Zimmerman [Z] (patrolling the gated community in his vehicle) observed Martin [M] (not a resident of the complex or area) walking through the complex in a suspicious manner (i.e. "too slowly" in the rain). M was returning from a local 7-11 with candy and an iced tea and talking on a cell phone - likely why he was walking slowly.

Z contacted police, reported a suspicious individual, and asked for assistance. He told police that he was going to follow the suspicious individual, and they responded "that's not necessary".

Z and M then had an encounter (details unknown), which resulted in M striking Z in the face, knocking him to the ground. Once on the ground, M continued the attack until Z produced a lawfully-carried concealed pistol, shooting and killing M. Police reports and witness accounts corroborate that much of the story.

After an initial investigation, Z was released by police with no charges filed as it appeared to be a case of self-defense.

All in all, it looks like a "wrong place at the wrong time" tragedy.

Data surfaced indicates that Z appears to be a classic "wannabe" cop. He also had run-ins with the law for being aggressive (pushed a cop in 2005 and domestic violence in 2006) although it looks like he was plead out to a lower charge in both cases.

Likewise, data has surfaced that M was currently suspended from school (near Miami, where he actually lived) for drug possession. It was his third suspension in 2.5 years of high school, where he had a spotty attendance and performance record. He was also caught in possession of what was suspected to be stolen property in October (women's jewelry including wedding bands, but no action was taken because it couldn't be ascertained if the material were stolen).

The real "news" of this tragedy is the behavior of the press, who are trying to "do a Palin" again by intentionally distorting the facts presented to drive a

Photos shown of M are nearly always a 5 year-old picture of a 12 year-old M:

Instead of 6' 3" 17 year-old M:

The same manipulation is taking palce with Z, where the most common image is a 2005 booking shot (complete with prison orange to set the tone) on the left instead of a current photo (right):

911 call recordings were "analyzed" and racial slurs were discovered. Later analysis clearly shows these slurs don't exist (too late - they're already marching so facts no longer apply). NBC took it further and played an edited version of the 911 call to make it sound even worse. Oh, and they got caught.

NBC has already "apologized" and fired people over their presentation of an edited and manipulated 911 recording designed to incite even more racial animosity and make Z look worse. Our mainstream media - if we can't find facts, we'll make 'em up! (In addition to this, reference NBC GM pickup gas tank explosions "helped for the camera" by incendiary charges and CBS/Dan Rather's crew forging documents about Dubya's ANG service).

Obama stepped in with his "if I had a son he's look like Trayvon" to further stoke the fires of racial animosity. Well, let's say that Obie reversed a trend where the African-American vote was slipping away (not that they'd vote for a , they just wouldn't vote - it's the turnout that helped Obie last time). That base is re-energized and ready to vote for him in the fall.

If the special investigator in FL doesn't find (or manufacture) some reason to charge and jail Z, they're gonna tear Sanford FL (along with a list of others I'm sure) to pieces. OJ was exonerated to avoid riots in LA, and Z will be crucified to prevent them in FL.

Bottom line is this: Whoever issued Z a concealed carry permit and allowed him on neighborhood watch duty should have their ass kicked. A felony assault on a cop and domestic violence within the last seven years? Really?

And M picked the wrong guy to thug it up with - he brought a fist to a gun fight. Poor choices have serious consequences, even at 17.

The media needs to stop fanning the flames. Naked opportunists like Obie, Jesse, Al, etc... need to STFU - or the media and populace need to recognize it for what it is.

And the African-American community at large needs to choose their battles more carefully. M is far from a clean-cut role model. And let's be clear: Z is not white. While he has a white name, he's Hispanic, so all of the Jim Crow and lynching metaphors don't apply.