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Originally posted by Lady_VixenAs a woman gamer, I just find guys that play female characters to be offensive.

It's because so many guys feel the need to flaunt their hidden feminine side (a.k.a. virtual crossdressing) that our very existence is often questioned. If a male character says he's a guy, it's accepted. If a female character says she's a girl, we immediately hear "there are no girls on the interwebz," and other ignorant crap like that. Beyond that, many of the guys who play female characters choose to dress as slutty as possible, which indirectly leads to the false assumption that if there are women gamers, we're all sluts who love to run around half naked. In the morning the guys go back to their regular lives, but the women have to deal with the the erroneous belief that we're all sluts. It's sickening. To top it off, guys who choose to play female characters also tend to influence game developers costume designs. Instead of decent looking clothes, the clothing options offered are: swimsuits.

Part of the problem with virtual crossdressers is that it's become widely accepted as "normal" in modern MMOs. If the general player base treated these woman wannabes like they do transvestites in real life, many of the problems would go away.

Whoa.... you got problems. What's wrong with a guy looking at a fine body of the opposite sex in a virtual game?

Because it isn't your bedroom, it isn't a nightclub, it isn't a pub and it isn't the beach (Exceptions are MMORPGs who feature such places). Time and place for everything and most MMORPGs shouldn't be the place nor the time for such activity.

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Ever since my first MMO (UO) I have always rolled female toons as my main and a male as an alt.

I like the female rolls in fantasy books and film, a woman doesn't have to be a mage type. She can be a bad ass warrior kicking ass and taking names. Red Sonja, Grace Jones in Conan.

That and male armor usually is bland and boring, where female armor though at times borders slutty is still cooler looking.

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Ever since my first MMO (UO) I have always rolled female toons as my main and a male as an alt.

I like the female rolls in fantasy books and film, a woman doesn't have to be a mage type. She can be a bad ass warrior kicking ass and taking names. Red Sonja, Grace Jones in Conan.

That and male armor usually is bland and boring, where female armor though at times borders slutty is still cooler looking.

And yes I am male, I also happen to be gay but above all I am a person and a gamer....just because a male chooses to play a female toon or vice versa doesn't make them some kind of "virtual crossdresser" [mod edit]

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I play girl toons alot or guy depends on game. Way to many times for ME the guy toons look stupid. And for ME its not to look at some guy drawn 3d girl toons butt lol and the people that do you wonder.. do they know their playing on the Internet?. And yeah its to easy to spot a guy playing girl look how they dress or the "I'm a real girl"..ok..or they have to make sure you hear and know "I'm gay".. so what? I just say you need Jesus and poof I am free of them Not the reason I came to play.

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This is all a bit to gay for me with men wanting to be female and then use those stolen charms by cheating othermen that are straight into giving them things. Some men would use this feature to maybe even groom young boys.. Now thats a frightening thought. I always play a male charecter as i like to be manly and enjoy letting others know im a man too, if those other guys wanna have gay or even drag queen like momments then i would be a little worried.

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Originally posted by Lady_Vixen

Part of the problem with virtual crossdressers is that it's become widely accepted as "normal" in modern MMOs. If the general player base treated these woman wannabes like they do transvestites in real life, many of the problems would go away.

I agree with many of your other points, but I suspect that players that would behave in this way towards 'woman wannabes' would be equally obnoxious towards genuine female players.

Anyway, I tend to assume that any female avatar I encounter is being controlled by a male player. I see no problem with this; it ensures that I treat each player the same way. The actual gender of the player, and their reasons for choosing the gender of their avatar, are not my concern. [mod edit] Besides all of that, with so few customization options these days, avatars in most current games tend to look very much alike. They become toons rather than characters - little more than utensils with which to consume the game's content and no more worthy of attention than a spoon.

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Originally posted by Lady_VixenAs a woman gamer, I just find guys that play female characters to be offensive.

It's because so many guys feel the need to flaunt their hidden feminine side (a.k.a. virtual crossdressing) that our very existence is often questioned. If a male character says he's a guy, it's accepted. If a female character says she's a girl, we immediately hear "there are no girls on the interwebz," and other ignorant crap like that. Beyond that, many of the guys who play female characters choose to dress as slutty as possible, which indirectly leads to the false assumption that if there are women gamers, we're all sluts who love to run around half naked. In the morning the guys go back to their regular lives, but the women have to deal with the the erroneous belief that we're all sluts. It's sickening. To top it off, guys who choose to play female characters also tend to influence game developers costume designs. Instead of decent looking clothes, the clothing options offered are: swimsuits.

Part of the problem with virtual crossdressers is that it's become widely accepted as "normal" in modern MMOs. If the general player base treated these woman wannabes like they do transvestites in real life, many of the problems would go away.

Whoa.... you got problems. What's wrong with a guy looking at a fine body of the opposite sex in a virtual game?

Because it isn't your bedroom, it isn't a nightclub, it isn't a pub and it isn't the beach (Exceptions are MMORPGs who feature such places). Time and place for everything and most MMORPGs shouldn't be the place nor the time for such activity.

What activity? Looking? Because that's all he said. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time playing games without looking. But please, tell us more things you think we shouldn't be doing while playing games.

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I will roll up either depending on the class or what I am in the mood to play. I have specific gnames I use in all MMOs I play, both male and female. I have friends that specifically play males because they can't see themselves playing the opposite sex. I have other friends that only play females because "they want something nice to look at." I don't care what gender other people are in RL. I play games to play games not to flirt with a possible girl.

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Originally posted by Lady_VixenAs a woman gamer, I just find guys that play female characters to be offensive.

It's because so many guys feel the need to flaunt their hidden feminine side (a.k.a. virtual crossdressing) that our very existence is often questioned. If a male character says he's a guy, it's accepted. If a female character says she's a girl, we immediately hear "there are no girls on the interwebz," and other ignorant crap like that. Beyond that, many of the guys who play female characters choose to dress as slutty as possible, which indirectly leads to the false assumption that if there are women gamers, we're all sluts who love to run around half naked. In the morning the guys go back to their regular lives, but the women have to deal with the the erroneous belief that we're all sluts. It's sickening. To top it off, guys who choose to play female characters also tend to influence game developers costume designs. Instead of decent looking clothes, the clothing options offered are: swimsuits.

Part of the problem with virtual crossdressers is that it's become widely accepted as "normal" in modern MMOs. If the general player base treated these woman wannabes like they do transvestites in real life, many of the problems would go away.

Whoa.... you got problems. What's wrong with a guy looking at a fine body of the opposite sex in a virtual game?

Because it isn't your bedroom, it isn't a nightclub, it isn't a pub and it isn't the beach (Exceptions are MMORPGs who feature such places). Time and place for everything and most MMORPGs shouldn't be the place nor the time for such activity.

What activity? Looking? Because that's all he said. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time playing games without looking. But please, tell us more things you think we shouldn't be doing while playing games.

He was implying that he pays special attention to please his sexual attraction to females, not just looking. I would assume most of us focus our attention on the game rather than how characters look from behind.

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Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

He was implying that he pays special attention to please his sexual attraction to females, not just looking. I would assume most of us focus our attention on the game rather than how characters look from behind.

Yeah, and you're implying that we should be the ones to tell others what they can and can't do while playing a game in the privacy of their own homes.

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Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

He was implying that he pays special attention to please his sexual attraction to females, not just looking. I would assume most of us focus our attention on the game rather than how characters look from behind.

Yeah, and you're implying that we should be the ones to tell others what they can and can't do while playing a game in the privacy of their own homes.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, but that's his choice, not ours.

MMORPGs are not exactly strictly within the privacy of their homes, they are in a shared space with other people. Even if they are within their homes, there are still "unwritten rules" of what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't: such as not chewing with their mouth open.