Demons, Djinn and UFOs

In a new article here at Mysterious Universe – titled Did the CIA Possess Djinn Infested Jewelry? – Jesse Woldman notes: “One site I came across advertised a second-hand ring, for around $500. What I found particularly interesting was its description. It was claimed that the ring had been worn by ‘a very successful CIA Agent’ who had used the Djinn contained inside to be promoted quickly within her department and enjoy many positive experiences in both her personal and professional life.”

For those who are not familiar with the Djinn, they are ancient, supernatural creatures who, according to the Qur’an, are made of “smokeless fire,” and are typically hostile, manipulative, and even deadly.

Woldman also notes of this CIA/second-hand ring story: “…this wacky item reminded me of rumors I’d heard previously about how the US Government did indeed have a relationship with Djinn and other entities, in an effort to try to harness these little-understood powers for Military gain.”

This is intriguing, since it dovetails very closely with my own research into how such potentially highly dangerous entities have been the subject of official, top secret interest.

Back in 2009, I met with a certain, elderly Dr. Mandor, who had invited me to his rundown home. Infinitely paranoid and deeply disturbing, Mandor had apparently been at the forefront of a quasi-official project tasked, in the early 1980s, with determining the truth behind the “alien abduction” phenomenon. To say that Mandor was obsessed with the world and lore of the Djinn is not an understatement.

Mandor, who believed the so-called “Greys” of UFO lore were literal Djinn, was also obsessed with trying to call forth and command Djinn – surely a goal of definitively crackpot proportions. I told the story of the creepy doctor in my 2010 book, Final Events. But Mandor was apparently not the only member of this project that had a pressing desire to summon up supernatural entities hell-bent on tormenting the Human Race.

Back in January 2007, I interviewed Boeche on this very issue of elements of officialdom trying to summon up, and even attempting to control, dangerous and malevolent entities for military benefit. As Ray revealed to me, in late 1991 he met with two members of the group – both physicists with the U.S. Department of Defense – who told him a fascinating yet dangerous tale.

In Ray’s own words…

“I found it interesting because they had contacted me at work; and I have no idea how they tracked me down there. But, they wanted to know if we could get together and have lunch to discuss something important. I met them for a brief period of time on that first meeting, and then they said: ‘We’d like to get together and have a longer conversation.’ I arranged a time and it was quite a lengthy discussion, probably three and a half hours. And that’s how it all came about.

“After both meetings, when I was able to verify that the men held the degrees they claimed to hold, and were apparently who they claimed to be, I was intrigued and excited at the possibility of having stumbled on a more or less untouched area which could be researched. But I was also cautious in terms of ‘why me?’”

And thus it was that Boeche was plunged headlong into a strange and surreal world of classified Department of Defense projects, secret meetings and follow-up dialogues with Deep Throat-style sources, and stories of very disturbing encounters with what were described to him as NHEs, or Non-Human Entities, which many within the UFO research community believe are aliens, but that certain elements of the DoD believe are nothing less than the deceptive minions of Satan: demons.

“I had no way of knowing before our face-to-face meeting if there was any legitimacy to this at all,” Ray explained to me. “I wasn’t given any information at all before our meeting; just the indication that they were involved in areas of research I would find interesting, and that they had some concerns they wished to discuss with me.”

And that’s where everything turned decidedly dark and sinister, as Ray told me…

“They came to believe that the NHEs were not extraterrestrial at all; they believed they were some sort of demonic entities. And that regardless of how benevolent or beneficial any of the contact they had with these entities seemed to be, it always ended up being tainted, for lack of a better term, with something that ultimately turned out to be bad. There was ultimately nothing positive from the interaction with the NHE entities.”

Ray continued: “They felt it really fell more under the category of some vast spiritual deception instead of UFOs and aliens. In the course of the whole discussion, it was clear that they really viewed this as having a demonic origin that was there to simply try and confuse the issue in terms of who they were, what they wanted, and what the source of the ultimate truth is.”

As Ray also noted: “If you extrapolate from their take that these are demons in the biblical sense of the word, then what they would be doing here is trying to create a spiritual deception to fool as many people as possible.”

And as to how elements of the DoD were engaging the NHEs in some form of contact, Boeche was given a truly strange and alarming story:

“From what they told me, it seemed like someone had invoked something and it opened a doorway to let these things in. That’s certainly the impression they gave me. I was never able to get an exact point of origin of these sorts of experiments, or of their involvement, and when they got started. But I did get the impression that because of what they knew and the information that they presented, they had been involved for at least several years, even if the project had gone on for much longer.”

Ray also told me that those involved in the project sensed a dark cloud looming overhead. They were not wrong: there were deaths associated with the program, the NHEs proved to be highly deceptive and manipulative, and nothing good came from such dicey dabbling.

And very much can be said about the Djinn: opening a doorway and allowing such a creature into one’s life is pretty much akin to outright begging for trouble.

Jesse Woldman’s account of the CIA/second-hand ring story, the Dr. Mandor saga, and the incredible account of Ray Boeche – concerning the Pentagon and Non-Human Entities known as NHEs – collectively suggest one thing: that officialdom has indeed secretly done its absolute utmost to engage, in near Faustian fashion, creatures from some poorly-discernible ream (or realms) of existence.

Some may call them demons; others may refer to them as Djinn. But, regardless of the name, they seem eerily similar, if not almost identical. That such entities clearly have an overwhelming hatred of us, however, suggests any kind of “us and them” interaction should be avoided at all costs.

A good friend had told me something like this – the real story of ‘ETs’, UFOs et.al, and that they were actually demons intending to subvert us.

NickRedfern

No I am not buying into it at all. What I am doing is telling the story of how certain elements of the government bought into it and how they attempted to contact what they believed were literal demons. And in the article above, I tell the story in the way it should be told – as an account of what happened but without me sticking my personal opinion in every other line. Far too many UFO researchers will only write about the things that support their own views on the subject. If, however, I find something that I consider very interesting (such as the story of the Collins Elite) I will put it out there for people to see, even if I don’t personally endorse it. The reason being that none of us really know the truth, so the responsibility is on us to share all the data, not censor it because we don’t necessarily agree with it. I do agree with the Collins Elite that the UFO phenomenon is (probably) not ET based and I also agree the phenomenon is deceptive and manipulative. But that’s a very big difference between saying it’s literal demons from a literal hell – which I don’t believe. I do believe in the existence of the phenomena that the Collins Elite feared and which they came to believe as demons. In the same way, I believe in the existence of the phenomena that are classed as Djinn. What I don’t do is insist on the rigid belief system that they are demons or Djinn. In my view, they might just as easily be multi-dimensional beings that hate us. So, it’s the label placed on them I don’t buy into, not that they don’t exist – they clearly do.

Brother John

There is a difference between demons and fallen angels (Note: angel simply means messenger). Demons are the spirits of the Nephlihim, which are the offspring of Angel-Human and do not have the power to manifest physically after death. Fallen angels are higher dimensional entities that can at will manifest physically in literally any form they choose. (This ability makes perfect sense if you understand the current science regarding the holographic universe and consider this as an actual possibility.)
The story is that God cursed this offspring neither of heaven or Earth, to wander the Earth after death. Just as they were cannibalistic in life they wander forever hungry and never able to be satisfied as spirits (which is why they gravitate toward blood sacrifices). Unable to fully interact with the world they are forced to inhabit, unless they are given permission to possess the thing they hate most… Man.

When your talking aliens, and the physical manifestations of such enities, then you are dealing with Fallen Angels and not demons, and that is an infinitely worse scenario.

Quiet_Righty

I don’t buy the Grand Unified Theory of Paranormal Beings. Let aliens from space be aliens from space.

Joseph

Nick, I’ve seen u on ancient aliens and read all sorts of ur articles online including accounts of the MIB. Our biggest challenge is people who turn a deaf ear or blind eye. I try to tell others but few listen. Most, however, just ridicule me calling alternative news loonytoons! I just shrug it off though and keep trying, presenting better evidence and more reputable sources. Thanks for ur research and the truth!

Martin Z

I’m sorry but this story didn’t really tell me much about the Djinn. I do know that the objectives of a demon is deceive man but according to middle eastern folklore Djinn are also benevolent. As human beings we can not say if Greys are in fact demons because we have never had the opportunity to interact with them on our terms. How can we say what they are when we don’t even know who they are.

J.Griffin

That’s the thing,Nick-
When you try to communicate someone’s side of the story without bias,
you are accused of taking their side!

Objective journalism is so far gone now that it didn’t even show up in AutoSpell
’til I wrote it completely out…

Understanding someone’s viewpoint and being capable of expressing it
or even defending it better than they can is the primary foundation of
the study of classical debate….
as well as courtroom law.

Just because I understand someone does not mean that I agree with them!

unhandyandy

Thanks for responding Nick.

While you might
differ in the metaphysics, pragmatically I don’t see much daylight
between your view that the Djinn are supernatural entities who mean us
harm and whom we should fear, and the Collins Elite view that they are
demons.

You’ve been living in the Bible Belt a long
time. I fear that one of these days you’re going to emerge from the
wilds of Texas born again as an evangelical exorcist.

Btw,
how did Guiley come out unscathed by the scandal that consumed her
former co-author Imbrogno? She tells entertaining stories, but a glance
at her bibliography suggests someone who exercises very little critical
judgement. I wouldn’t cite her endorsement of an idea unless I were
trying to undermine it.

And I very much would like to undermine the idea that the search for truth about any phenomenon should be fraught with fear. Fear is not a state of mind conducive to enlightenment.

NickRedfern

There’s a huge difference: to believe in the demonic angle requires a belief in the existence of Hell (and Heaven). And that’s my point: there is no proof that Heaven and Hell exist at all. It’s an article of faith. That’s why I don’t hold with the Collins Elite’s conclusions: because they are all based on faith/belief.
Now, I DO believe there is enough data to suggest there are negative entities amongst us and some people call them demons and some call them Djinn. Others may call them fairies, goblins, incubi etc.
They may all be one and the same and have the same point of origin.
But the idea of some fiery pit overseen by a guy with horns is ridiculous.
And that’s where I differ – I can’t personally endorse things like the concepts of heaven and hell without seeing something beyond just faith and belief to support their existence.
As for your sarcasm about me living in the Bible Belt, I can do without that. I live in Dallas, which is very different to certain other parts of what is known as the Bible Belt, in terms of religion.
I don’t care what people believe in terms of religion, as long as people realize that belief is simply that: belief and not proof.
As for me, my views on all this are not dictated by where I live. They are dictated by data I uncover. So quit with the Bible Belt comments.

517

once one of these things attaches itself to you it will put you through pure and unbelievable hell,and near impossible to break it’s spell/contract with you.they can not be controlled accept by there creator.

Salim SuperRyuu

there is no such thing as fallen angels, that’s a story.. Angels have no choice but obey God. Satan was a Djinn not an angel..

Salim SuperRyuu

But faith is different depending of the person.. A muslim does not believe fallen angels can exist. Djinns are djinns (or demons for christians), they are something else than angels

Tim

Yes, I agree! Fallen angels don’t exist! Angels, djinn and humans.

Tim

I consider myself a spiritual person and honestly contact djinn entities on a regular basis. Have been so for 3 years. These beings are very much like humans, some good, some evil. I definitely don’t know all the facts, but from my personal experiences, they are very real, powerful in many ways. I’ve had terrifying experiences and great ones as well. They live on earth, just different dimension. Most can’t see them. I will also add that, yes, I may be playing with fire. I do believe that djinn are demons, but demons would be the darker/sinister djinn. Not all are like that. Just like we we have serial killers/psychos. I don’t believe all djinn hate us. Just an opinion.
Really enjoyed your story, very fascinating. Thx

Johnathan Myers

For an artists’ take on this subject, read the lyrics to “Wrapped Around Your Finger” by The Police.

R. A.

The term “fallen angel”, in my opinion, has drifted from its original meaning. “Fallen” just meant they came down from the sky, and “angel” is “messenger of El(Lord of the heavens/God)”.
So it seems what originally was being described were beings who descended from the heavens to be intermediaries or messengers between the sky god and the earth born…?

R. A.

No need to buy anything. Our understanding of these phenomena is so incredibly limited that the very idea of settling on any conclusion is absurd.