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If Nvidia can truly create a Display Server agnostic EGL-based driver (and AMD can follow suit), then commercial games, and applications like Blender which work much better on, or require proprietary drivers will actually have a realistic chance at supporting both Wayland and Mir based Linux systems.

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"For the closed-source desktop drivers: We are in active conversations with GPU vendors to enable Mir on those drivers/GPUs, too. [Updated] More to this, we are working together with NVIDIA towards a more unified driver model sitting on top of EGL."

For all those who don't understand, I don't want to be *forced* to use binary drivers because vendors will be happy to close up their driver code again, putting me into a black box. I *DON'T* want to live in a Windows world of no control over what runs on my systems!

Mir will undermine *ALL THE WORK* that's been done to get vendors to open source their drivers and allow for both Linux and *BSD communities the ability to use open source drivers.

If EGL support is added, this may benefit Wayland, while being able to use binary drivers in Wayland may be a stop gap for support.

There are already too few GPU driver developers, Mir will no doubt make this a mess for non-Ubuntu distros who won't/don't use Mir. Trying to force your solution onto others - WITH ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION/COLLABORATION - will not fly.

Those defending Canonical/Ubuntu should ask themselves this one question, "Do I care about Open Source or just use Linux?" If your answer is the latter, then you don't understand why people will fight this.

I really don't care what Ubuntu does but if Ubuntu screws Debian/Fedora/OpenSuSE/Slackware etc then we all lose in our goal of open drivers. A lot of angry Linux developers/users of other distros will excommunicate Ubuntu and Canonical very quickly.

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Let's be very clear. Mir had absolutely nothing to do with Nvidia's decision for a unified EGL driver. The only thing they did was discourage developers from developing for linux, including video drivers by shrinking the market share of fundamental (for lack of a better word) infrastructure. I'd love if a developer in the know honestly can tell me that my understanding is wrong, but many applications, especially games that run on Wayland will not nessessarily run on MIR unless extra hoops are jumped through. Back when Linux was unified in switching to Wayland, the incentive companies like NVIDIA for developing software for Linux, including video drivers was greater.

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For all those who don't understand, I don't want to be *forced* to use binary drivers because vendors will be happy to close up their driver code again, putting me into a black box. I *DON'T* want to live in a Windows world of no control over what runs on my systems!

Mir will undermine *ALL THE WORK* that's been done to get vendors to open source their drivers and allow for both Linux and *BSD communities the ability to use open source drivers.

If EGL support is added, this may benefit Wayland, while being able to use binary drivers in Wayland may be a stop gap for support.

There are already too few GPU driver developers, Mir will no doubt make this a mess for non-Ubuntu distros who won't/don't use Mir. Trying to force your solution onto others - WITH ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION/COLLABORATION - will not fly.

Those defending Canonical/Ubuntu should ask themselves this one question, "Do I care about Open Source or just use Linux?" If your answer is the latter, then you don't understand why people will fight this.

I really don't care what Ubuntu does but if Ubuntu screws Debian/Fedora/OpenSuSE/Slackware etc then we all lose in our goal of open drivers. A lot of angry Linux developers/users of other distros will excommunicate Ubuntu and Canonical very quickly.

What. You do realise that this news is completely irrelevant to OSS drivers, right? They already can run Wayland without any issues.

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What. You do realise that this news is completely irrelevant to OSS drivers, right? They already can run Wayland without any issues.

It is very relevant, if Canonical makes it easy for them to just bring the binary blobs over *what* incentives are there to having open source drivers in future? Having a 'closed' (as in controlled by Canonical in decision making/direction) graphical UI would be an absolute disaster for Linux, I wouldn't trade Xorg for that!