I need some help from this great community. I have recently started climbing outdoors on top rope. With that I am starting to buy my own webbing and protection so that I don't have to rely on my climbing partner having the right protection left after setting up his rope. He has taught me how to set up a proper top rope anchor. But he is an old school climber and has only ever use the TriCams along with the nuts and hexes. So I have picked up a set of nuts and hexes since that was a no brainer.

But because he has only used TriCams he is not able to give me the best answer of which would be better to but a small set of TriCams or a small set of Camalot C4's?

I am looking at only using them right now to set up top rope anchors and belay anchors. I have no interest at this time in trad climbing. My primary area of climbing is Blue Mounds and Pallasades State Park.

I am not concerned about the price difference between the TriCam and Camalots I'm just concerned about what would be my better choice for the Blue Mounds and Pallasades area. Or what would give me the better versatility should I take trips to different areas. Any help that you guys could give would be greatly appreciated.

TriCams and Camalots are different and shine in different situations and rock. They both should have a place on your TR rack. What you will find, however, is that the TriCams will quickly replace your use of hexes. They work everywhere a hex will work and a million other places.

I was interested in TriCam vs C4 but TCU as well, hadn't really looked at them. I'm just looking for what would be best for setting the top rope anchor. As I mentioned all the practice I have had so far setting the anchor has been with my partners gear of nuts/hexes and a couple large TriCam. There have only been a few times that there has been a need for the cam. But since my partner has never used C4 or even TCU I want to know my options and what is the better option.

Maybe a better way to put it if both would be worth purchasing. Which one would be worth purchasing first?

I've climbed a fair amount around the north shore, but have not been able to ever make it to blue mounds.

If you're used to tri-cams and REALLY only plan on setting up top ropes in those places, you should be fine with those (I'm not sure about blue mounds though, obviously).

However, cams are going to be a more flexible piece if you go to other places, and you're not really paying much more once you get into the larger sizes. I don't really see any advantage to large tri-cams over equivalent sized cams. If you want to avoid superfluous spending, though, you can skip buying smaller cam sizes and use tri-cams there.

If you're used to tri-cams and REALLY only plan on setting up top ropes in those places, you should be fine with those (I'm not sure about blue mounds though, obviously).

However, cams are going to be a more flexible piece if you go to other places, and you're not really paying much more once you get into the larger sizes. I don't really see any advantage to large tri-cams over equivalent sized cams. If you want to avoid superfluous spending, though, you can skip buying smaller cam sizes and use tri-cams there.

True enough. In the end, it's really about personal preference, what your budget is and what your goals are. Cams are pretty easy to place and these days, most new trad climbers learn to place them effectively and efficiently before they learn to do so with nuts. For a lot of people, the simplicity of placing a cam means that they are go-to pieces for when the climbing gets hard and you don't want to futz with fishing in a tricam. That's basically how I feel about tricams. I have pink through blue on my rack. I tend to use them on climbs I've done before and know there is a good tricam placement, or sometimes in anchors, where I've used the same size cam already on the climb. But in general, I don't like to bother fishing them into a good placement on lead. After this weekend, I was even considering no longer carrying them altogether.

I'm just telling you all of this to give you a little insight into the pros vs. cons. If you have no plans of ever doing anything beyond top-roping, then the tricams will be more then adequate. I don't know many folks though, who once bitten by the climbing bug, are content to stick with top-roping only. So, if money is not an issue, go with the C4s because they will probably be more versatile in the end.

I'm a big fan of TriCams and use them just as often as I do C4s (and C3s, and Master Cams). I've overheard climbers say that they're going to start their first rack without cams, opting for tricams instead. Still I 've never seen a rack of just tricams. But you could probably/maybe get away with it for limited use (building a TR anchors) versus being on a long trad climb where you'll need a versatile rack.

As far as what to use in your area, no idea.

If you're climbing partner can say to you "at this climb, for this anchor, you need these pieces" then you can obviously get away with just buying those pieces. And if it's cam/tricams placement...go for it, and get the tricams.

It is a matter of personal preference, but for me I prefer the convenience and ease of placement of cams over tricams. I have never used or owned a tricam larger than the pink and red, and for the last 20+ years have generally not carried any passive gear larger than 1 1/2" except for the occasional Big Bro.

For anything above that size I believe the cams are much more versatile.

I need some help from this great community. I have recently started climbing outdoors on top rope. With that I am starting to buy my own webbing and protection so that I don't have to rely on my climbing partner having the right protection left after setting up his rope. He has taught me how to set up a proper top rope anchor. But he is an old school climber and has only ever use the TriCams along with the nuts and hexes. So I have picked up a set of nuts and hexes since that was a no brainer.

But because he has only used TriCams he is not able to give me the best answer of which would be better to but a small set of TriCams or a small set of Camalot C4's?

I am looking at only using them right now to set up top rope anchors and belay anchors. I have no interest at this time in trad climbing. My primary area of climbing is Blue Mounds and Pallasades State Park.

I am not concerned about the price difference between the TriCam and Camalots I'm just concerned about what would be my better choice for the Blue Mounds and Pallasades area. Or what would give me the better versatility should I take trips to different areas. Any help that you guys could give would be greatly appreciated.

What everyone so far has failed to mention is that for smaller cracks, your tricams will be too big*, and you may not find an adequate constriction for a nut. In such situations, your best (and sometimes only) pro will be a cam. So yeah, you should buy a couple.

And while I'm on the subject - in those smallest sizes, C4 is generally agreed to be one of the worse types of cam, because the head is too wide. Aliens or your choice among the various brands of TCUs will be better.

Because I have not started Trad climbing just yet I'm not sure how the cracks are on accent to tell if they would be good TriCam placements. As for the top rope anchors most of the anchors that we have been setting are slung webbing around a tree with nuts and from time to time hexes with needing to use the #6TriCam. So I probably don't need a lot of TriCams or Camalots but I am the type that likes to have things just in case.

If it helps any the rock where I am climbing is pink Sioux Quartzite.

Thank you to everyone that has provided input it has given me more to consider and helped me a lot so far.

... I am not concerned about the price difference ... I'm just concerned about what would be my better choice for the Blue Mounds and Pallasades area. Or what would give me the better versatility should I take trips to different areas.

Blue mounds has that slick and rock hard quartzite. For some reason people told me the rock doesn't hold cams that well yet I have taken small lead falls there on cams. I always use passive pro when I can due to this folklore but have never had a cam fail on me there. I usually use big hexes and a couple cams to set up topropes, but I have up to the brown tricams and use them sometimes too. The big ones are worthless except for the #6 that is sized as a BD #4 if I am on a route that needs two of those size. My recommendation would be to buy the cams, add the small tricams, then venture to an area with better rock, but I understand there isnt much around this area. I live in Omaha for now and it's quite a drive to decent rock.