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Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Truth Rising: The Blueprint For Change

Alex Jones’ 9/11 Chronicles Part One: Truth Rising is more than a rollercoaster adventure through the various expressions of the 9/11 truth movement, it pays homage to a form of direct activism that has corrupt politicians scuttling for cover across the country as their crimes are exposed in public.

The film is a blueprint for unravelling the 9/11 cover-up and going on the offensive in the name of truth.

Arriving amidst a barrage of abuse, death threats and corporate media hit pieces directed towards the 9/11 Truth Movement, 9/11 Chronicles Part One: Truth Rising is a reminder of the core principles that unite us and what we have collectively achieved over the course of the last few years alone.

The film begins by highlighting the heartbreaking plight of the 9/11 first responders, a theme that forms the framework of the movie, and reminds us that the first government cover-up in the aftermath of 9/11 occurred almost immediately after the towers collapsed.

The very heroes of that tragic day have been completely abandoned by the same government that invokes the names of their dead and dying comrades in order to implement a dark and destructive political agenda.

But it’s an agenda in terminal gridlock largely thanks to the efforts of a raft of truth seekers who have turned confrontational activism into an art form by organizing themselves into grass roots activist chapters and joining arms to stand up to evil wherever it dare show its face.

"We have to continually ask questions - that’s what a patriot does," Immortal Technique’s soul-stirring ground zero speech implores, and it’s a mantra that has not only been embraced by We Are Change chapters nationwide, but pushed even further to the point where answers are being demanded in no uncertain terms.

"No army can stop an idea whose time has come," reads the film’s tagline, but the efforts of the gatekeepers, bullies and thugs who use petty power to threaten and intimidate 9/11 truthers is exposed. The corporate media has attempted to demonize truthers as violent and potentially dangerous, but the only examples of violence and intimidation has come from those who would silence truthseekers by force, as is documented in the movie.

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The movie also recognizes the courage of the many public figures who have risked their careers to speak out in support of 9/11 truth, people like Charlie Sheen, Martin Sheen, Jesse Ventura and Christine Ebersole, and how their bold stance is helping to arouse intrigue about the real story behind 9/11 across America.

In addition, the film presents the latest and most hardcore 9/11 evidence, including an interview with Richard Gage about the demolition of the towers and WTC 7.

The spotlight deservedly shines on We Are Change founder Luke Rudkowski, a courageous young man who has inspired scores of other We Are Change chapter groups to organically spring up across the country.

Luke explains how We Are Change began and provides the blueprint from which the seeds of change can be scattered - a kind of instruction manual for budding activists that we hope will be motivated to join the fight after they watch Truth Rising.

Get the DVD, make copies, hand them out to family, friends and strangers. 9/11 Chronicles: Truth Rising is the tool with which people really can be inspired to be the change they want to see in the world.

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Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

What does it mean to say that someone believes in the theory of evolution, or the existence of flying saucers or that genetically modified crops are safe? Should we accept evidence for cold fusion or black holes? How far can we trust an expert? The formation of belief systems is an interesting area of philosophy in its own right, but has important practical applications. Indeed, it is relevant to some of the most difficult decisions to be taken by policy makers. The nature of evidence and what constitutes proof is at the heart of science and its history.

The existence of the Loch Ness Monster is an interesting example for discussion in the context of philosophy, religion or the history of science. It has the advantage that it is relatively free of ethical considerations or religious pronouncements. Most people in the Europe and North America will be aware of it, in at least some way. Books and some websites are available for students or others wishing to gather data. There are occasional television programmes (e.g. on the Discovery Channel). It therefore has possibilities as a student group exercise, or for individuals reflecting on their own beliefs.

It must be stressed that the point of this exercise is the process, not the conclusion. It is the formation of belief which is being examined, not the belief itself.

2. The Formation of Belief:

Le us say the proposition is put that “the Loch Ness Monster exists”. The response of some individuals is immediate and negative. We may then ask, how can you be certain of its non-existence? More fundamentally, what is it that you know does not exist? Thinking reflectively, have you had the necessary information and have you defined the problem sufficiently to come to such a certain conclusion? If not (and this is probably the case) have you made similar judgments about other more important matters, where you are equally ill informed?

Some individuals may be equally positive. Again, we may ask on what basis they make the judgement. Typically this is an accumulated feeling based upon media coverage and a liking for such matters. This latter should not be dismissed, but recognized as part of human nature. People who would like something to be true are more likely to interpret ambiguous evidence in that way. Likewise people (including scientists) tend to be more critical of unwelcome data.

Some individuals will claim to have an open mind. Very well, we may ask what would enable them to come to a definite belief? If this was a grave matter of public health or of great financial risk, and you had to go one way or another, how would you choose?

3. What is to be Believed (or not)?

Firstly it is necessary to decide what it is that we are trying to conclude. The following is suggested as a rational and minimal basis for discussion.

“That in the 20th Century there has been a number of large animals living in the waters of Loch Ness.”

Thus we are concerned with natural history rather than supernatural, but we should include the possibility that a small breeding herd has died out. Present non-existence would not disprove reports from earlier years. By large, we may say ‘more than 2 metres in length’. Although witnesses have claimed much larger (20 m) all that is required is something significantly larger than the otters and eels known to be in the lake. (Would you accept a giant otter?)

It is not necessary to include all the features which have been reported (head, neck, flippers, humps etc.) since some of these could be mistakes or embellishments. It is probably reasonable (or is it?) to say that the minimum requirement is a large aquatic animal.

4. What is the Evidence?

Sorting through the books and films, the actual evidence (as opposed to opinion) seems to be largely made up of the following:

· A large number of vague reports by people not specially qualified. (Which does not make them necessarily untrue.)

· A few more detailed and sometimes impressive reports by people not specially qualified.

(An example from history is the existence of meteorites. Ignorant peasants occasionally reported that stones had fallen out of the sky. Intellectuals dismissed these reports.)

· A modest number of credible reports by witnesses with relevant knowledge (e.g. the Water Bailiff).

· A small number of photographs and cine film.

· Sonar evidence of large moving objects.

5. False Evidence

The data probably includes, but is not necessarily limited to, the following:

· Deliberate fraud

· Wishful thinking

· Exaggeration

· Misinterpretation

· Unconscious embellishment

(Students could consider these how these occur in the case of the Loch Ness Monster and also other cases perhaps of some importance, such as witnesses identifying criminals.)

careful scientific proof by a Biology Professor, following a major study

Binns, R. (1984) The Loch Ness Mystery Solved, Somerset, Open Books

a sceptical view by a journalist

Before asking which (if any) is right, we should ask ourselves which we would like to be right. How will we react to the message, depending on the messenger and context?

Tim Dinsdale has actually seen the monster several times, and filmed it. He is an engineer and seems a trustworthy, careful man who has gathered together the evidence. Though we may doubt some of it, how could there be such a body of data if there was never a monster?

(But he is not a scientist, and perhaps he is biased by his own experience.)

Maurice Burton has not seen the monster, but he has studied the evidence and finds it unconvincing. He is a scientist from an august institution who understands natural history and the nature of evidence. Surely we can trust his judgement that there is no monster and the eyewitness reports are at best mistakes? (But he is part of the scientific establishment who do not like to admit such things.)

Roy Mackal is a biology professor who brings not only the reports but also experimental data and a comprehensive view of the environment. He clearly shows that a family of large animals can and do exist in Loch Ness. (But he is an American.)

Robert Binns is a journalist who exposes the mistakes and frauds which make up the evidence. Obviously the Loch Ness Monster is a fiction. (But he is not a scientist, just a cynical journalist assuming the worst of human behaviour.)

There are other books, and related ones on other lake monsters. Some may be similar to the categories given above. Most commonly the author appears to be an amiable eccentric describing the hardships of an expedition which eventually produced encouraging but inconclusive results. (But perhaps there are monsters in other lakes around the world. Perhaps they are only reported by eccentrics because anyone reporting them is counted eccentric.)

There are books describing ape-men in the Himalayas (the Yeti) and North America (the Sasquatch). Should evidence for or against these animals affect one’s belief in the Loch Ness Monster, or vice versa?

Given that in most cases we do not have the time, resources or specialist knowledge to weigh the evidence directly, how can we recognize an expert? And what happens if two apparent experts disagree? (Richard Dawkins and the late Stephen J. Gould were undoubtedly major authorities with major disagreements on evolutionary biology.)

7. A Personal Odyssey

It may be of interest to describe my own formation of belief in this topic. It was reflecting on this process which led me to consider my more general beliefs and prompted this article.

At the age of 18, with limited anecdotal evidence, no expertise and certainly no deep thought on the subject, my opinion was definitely mild disbelief.

At university, I met someone involved with a group called the Loch Ness Investigation Bureau. By thinking (but very little more information) I changed to open-minded. More precisely, I reasoned

(1) it was possible that there were large animals in Loch Ness;

(2) this was something capable of simple proof;

(3) I did not know of any reason why they could not exist;

(4) however, I did not know if the evidence in favour was particularly strong.

Over each of the next few Summers I spent several weeks by Loch Ness with the Bureau, eventually becoming Group Commander for a week. (This was useful personal development!) I talked with people who had seen the monster, read books and examined the Bureau records. I looked at films and photographs again and again. I came to the rational conclusion that the evidence as a whole was in favour. By this, I mean that it was sufficiently strong to justify the investigation.

At the same time, there was doubt. Some of the most praised evidence I found less than convincing. In particular, Tim Dinsdale’s cine film just looked to me like a boat, with a clear propeller wash. (This film had almost religious significance: it was an article of faith that it was not and could not be a boat, because there was no propeller wash. It did not do to express a contrary opinion in polite company.) There were relatively few still photographs. Some seemed to me so much like flotsam that they were scarcely worth considering. It was possible the remaining couple could be fakes.

As for eyewitness observations, I personally saw floating debris, swimming otters, patches of calm water appearing like dark ovals, the wakes of vessels reflecting off the sides of the loch and making interference patterns. It was likely that a significant portion of reports were honest misinterpretations of things like this. However, it was unlikely that local residents who made their living from the loch (such as the Water Bailiff) would make such a mistake.

As the years went on, the Bureau diligently watched the lake with cine cameras and tremendously powerful lenses. Though the champagne was broken out sometimes, the conclusive film was never produced. My opinion changed to disbelief as follows.

8. Conclusion

On the basis of the evidence, I believe that I was originally right to conclude that the Loch Ness Monster was possible, and sufficiently probable to justify a search. There had been various expeditions from the 1930’s onwards (some of which had positive evidence) but each was so short and limited that it could not be counted conclusive.

It is my judgment that the work of the Loch Ness Investigation Bureau, though largely the work of amateur volunteers (such as myself) was sufficiently broad in its coverage of the lake, and prolonged in time to constitute a proper search.

Therefore, if there had been large animals living in the lake at that time, predating on fish, then they should have been seen and filmed. This was a proper experiment, with negative results which can be trusted. A valid hypothesis has therefore been tested with a valid negative result.

However, as pointed out before, non-existence during the search does not mean non-existence at any time. Perhaps the herd died out in the late 20th century?

I doubt this, because a careful study convinced me that the amount of solid evidence was only a very few instances which could be accounted for by error or fraud. Large living creatures would have provided more evidence.

I now conclude that the Loch Ness Monster does not and did not ever exist, and that I have good grounds for this belief. However, I have held other opinions, which were equally rational given the state of my knowledge and experience at the time.

What is more important to me, is how thinking this process through has enabled me to be more critical and reflective of other beliefs I may form.

Martin Pitt is Coordinator of Design Teaching in Chemical and Process Engineering at the University of Sheffield. His interests include Risk Assessment, Games Theory and Education. While a student, he joined the Loch Ness Investigation Bureau, spending several summers looking for ‘Nessie’, including a period as Expedition Group Commander.

Do you REALLY think I or anyone else on the entire planet would read that incredibly long post?

Your silence to my questions is really all the evidence I need that my claims are correct-----because you have NO answers for them---NO answers whatsoever---none, zippo. You claim you hate the Bush administration Jas, but you dont support Bugliosi's book??? Gee, why not Jas???

Bugliosi is not a 9-11 truther---and yet you continue to treat him like he is. Because he talks to Alex Jones, hes a truther?? Funny, Bugliosi and Jones actually disagree on the Kennedy assassination---but yet they are working together? I guess that makes YOU the conspiracy theorist!! LOL

But I do appreciate you continuing to frequent my site although you claim to "hate" my site. Why would you keep visiting sites you hate? This just shows you are a stalker and a disturbed, confused person with an inferiority complex. You need to be right SO much, that you actually go out of your way to invade websites like some troll in order to satisfy your morbid facination over people that you cant even refute--and since you cant refute me on ANYTHING, you choose to insult and name-call, the only thing youre good at.

my fellow working americans, please see there are a few non working low lifes that come to this site and get destroyed by the webmaster when debating. they cannot refute his claims nor the facts but these pathetic shits post the same lame ass posts they did two years ago.they feed off your taxes and sweat. they are the lowest of low. they want this bullshit war but will not serve, proving not only are they unamerican but cowards. these people are commonsence but really commonsenceless, timetoevolve but its really timtodesolve and last and least jas but really jizz. the biggest bullshit artist of them all. he refutes nothing debunks nothing and has no facts to back his side. this piece of shit when about to loose at checkers he throws the board up in the air and says to the other player you didnt win, how pathetic. his dad should be ashamed that his son is this low. his family always says hes not with us. grow up get a life, get a job and at least stop posting that same lame ass post. try to refute something here.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Jas

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Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Jas

P.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2axP1lWFhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQuIhJId1JY

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Jas

P.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2axP1lWFhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQuIhJId1JY

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"

"SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR OVERWHELING EVIDENCE ASSHOLE!"

"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:

For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."

YOU HAVE NO PROOF LARRY. NONE. JUST A BUNCH OF POSTS FROM HUNDREDS OF INTERNET CRACKPOT WEBSITES. BOTTOM LINE.

And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these... "We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11. Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there." You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a college level debate class. YOU'RE DELETING MY POSTS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE WILL SEE WHAT I'VE SAID TEARS YOUR WHOLE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!

Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down. Exactly you're so much smarter than all of them put together... there sitting at home in podunk hicksville Hagersbush looking up crackpot websites at 3am instead of actually going to college or reading scholarly publications on these matters. "OH MY GOD THE BBC TIMESTAMP PROVES IT ALL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE BUSH IS BEHIND 9/11 ARE COWARDS AND COMPLACENT! ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN SAID THERE'S A COVERUP! POPULAR MECHANICS, THE BBC, THE OWNER OF BUILDING 7, EVERY MEMBER OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THE CIA, FBI, NSA AND PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE ALL PART OF THIS MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!" DON'T TRUST THE N.Y. TIMES, ABC, CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, OR YOUR OWN SENSE OF REASON AND INTELLIGENCE EVERONE... TRUST LARRY AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians. You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.

Dung beetles live in many different habitats, including desert, farmland, forest, and grasslands. They do not like extremely cold or dry weather. They occur on all continents except Antarctica.

Dung beetles eat dung excreted by herbivores and omnivores, and prefer that produced by the former. Many of them also feed on mushrooms and decaying leaves and fruits. They do not need to eat or drink anything else because the dung provides all the necessary nutrients. The larvae feeds on the undigested plant fiber in the dung, while the adults do not eat solid food at all. Instead they use their mouthparts to squeeze and suck the juice from the manure, a liquid full of micro-organisms and other nutrients (as well as the body fluids from some unlucky animals such as dung-feeding maggots that sometimes get trapped between their mandibles).

Two dung beetles fighting for a dung ballMost dung beetles search for dung with the aid of their strong sense of smell. Some of the smaller species, however, simply attach themselves to the dung-providers to wait for their reward. After capturing the dung, a dung beetle will roll it, following a straight line despite all obstacles. Sometimes dung beetles will try to steal the dung ball of another beetle, so the dung beetles have to move rapidly away from a dung pile once they have rolled their ball to prevent it from being stolen. In 2003, researchers found that one species of dung beetle (the African Scarabaeus zambesianus) navigates by using polarization patterns in moonlight. The discovery is the first proof that any animal can use polarized moonlight for orientation.[2][3][4]

The "rollers" roll and bury a dung ball either for food storage or for making a brooding ball. In the latter case, two beetles, one male and one female, will be seen around the dung ball during the rolling process. Usually it is the male that rolls the ball, with the female hitch-hiking or simply following behind. In some cases the male and the female roll together. When a spot with soft soil is found, they stop and bury the dung ball. They will then mate underground. After the mating, both or one of them will prepare the brooding ball. When the ball is finished, the female lays eggs inside it, a form of mass provisioning. Some species do not leave after this stage, but remain to safeguard their offspring.

The dung beetle goes through a complete metamorphosis. The larvae live in brood balls made with dung prepared by their parents. During the larval stage the beetle feeds on the dung surrounding it.

The behaviour of the beetles was much misunderstood until the pioneering studies of Jean Henri Fabre. For example, Fabre corrected the myth that a dung beetle would seek aid from other dung beetles when confronted by obstacles. By painstaking observations and experiments, he found that the seeming helpers were in fact robbers awaiting an opportunity to steal the roller's food source:

“ I ask myself in vain what Proudhon introduced into Scarabaean morality the daring paradox that "property means plunder", or what diplomatist taught the Dung-beetle the savage maxim that "might is right".[5] ”

[edit] Benefits and uses

An earth-boring dung beetle workingDung beetles play a remarkable role in agriculture. By burying and consuming dung, they improve nutrient cycling and soil structure. They also protect livestock, such as cattle, by removing the dung which, if left, could provide habitat for pests such as flies. Therefore, many countries have introduced the creature for the benefit of animal husbandry. In developing countries, the beetle is especially important as an adjunct for improving standards of hygiene. The American Institute of Biological Sciences reports that dung beetles save the United States cattle industry an estimated US$380 million annually through burying above-ground livestock feces.[6]

Like many other insects, the (dried) dung beetle, called qianglang (蜣蜋) in Chinese, is used in Chinese herbal medicine. It is recorded in the "Insect section" (蟲部) of the Compendium of Materia Medica, where it is recommended for the cure of 10 different diseases.

[edit] Scarab in Ancient Egypt

A scarab statue at the Karnak temple complexSeveral species of the dung beetle, most notably the species Scarabaeus sacer (often referred to as the sacred scarab), enjoyed a sacred status among the ancient Egyptians.

ḫprin hieroglyphs

The hieroglyphic image of the beetle represents a trilateral phonetic that Egyptologists transliterate as xpr or ḫpr and translate as "to come into being", "to become" or "to transform". The derivative term xprw or ḫpr(w) is variously translated as "form", "transformation", "happening", "mode of being" or "what has come into being", depending on the context. It may have existential, fictional, or ontologic significance.

The scarab was linked to Khepri ("he who has come into being"), the god of the rising sun. The ancients believed that the dung beetle was only male in gender, and reproduced by depositing semen into a dung ball. The supposed self-creation of the beetle resembles that of Khepri, who creates himself out of nothing. Moreover, the dung ball rolled by a dung beetle resembles the sun. Plutarch wrote:

“ The race of beetles has no female, but all the males eject their sperm into a round pellet of material which they roll up by pushing it from the opposite side, just as the sun seems to turn the heavens in the direction opposite to its own course, which is from west to east."[7] ”

The ancient Egyptians believed that Khepri renewed the sun every day before rolling it above the horizon, then carried it through the other world after sunset, only to renew it, again, the next day. Some New Kingdom royal tombs exhibit a threefold image of the sun god, with the beetle as symbol of the morning sun. The astronomical ceiling in the tomb of Ramses VI portrays the nightly "death" and "rebirth" of the sun as being swallowed by Nut, goddess of the sky, and re-emerging from her womb as Khepri.

A scarab, depicted on the walls of Tomb KV6 in the Valley of the KingsThe image of the scarab, conveying ideas of transformation, renewal, and resurrection, is ubiquitous in ancient Egyptian religious and funerary art.

Excavations of ancient Egyptian sites have yielded images of the scarab in bone, ivory, stone, Egyptian faience, and precious metals, dating from the Sixth Dynasty and up to the period of Roman rule. They are generally small, bored to allow stringing on a necklace, and the base bears a brief inscription or cartouche. Some have been used as seals. Pharaohs sometimes commissioned the manufacture of larger images with lengthy inscriptions, such as the commemorative scarab of Queen Tiye. Massive sculptures of scarabs can be seen at Luxor Temple, at the Serapeum in Alexandria (see Serapis) and elsewhere in Egypt.

The scarab was of prime significance in the funerary cult of ancient Egypt. Scarabs, generally, though not always, were cut from green stone, and placed on the chest of the deceased. Perhaps the most famous example of such "heart scarabs" is the yellow-green pectoral scarab found among the entombed provisions of Tutankhamen. It was carved from a large piece of Libyan desert glass. The purpose of the "heart scarab" was to ensure that the heart would not bear witness against the deceased at judgement in the Afterlife. Other possibilities are suggested by the "transformation spells" of the Coffin Texts, which affirm that the soul of the deceased may transform (xpr) into a human being, a god, or a bird and reappear in the world of the living.

A carved steatite scarab amulet - circa 550 BC.One scholar comments on other traits of the scarab connected with the theme of death and rebirth:

“ It may not have gone unnoticed that the pupa, whose wings and legs are encased at this stage of development, is very mummy-like. It has even been pointed out that the egg-bearing ball of dung is created in an underground chamber which is reached by a vertical shaft and horizontal passage curiously reminiscent of Old Kingdom mastaba tombs."[8] ”

In contrast to funerary contexts, some of ancient Egypt's neighbors adopted the scarab motif for seals. The best-known of these being Judean LMLK seals (8 of 21 designs contained scarab beetles), which were used exclusively to stamp impressions on storage jars during the reign of Hezekiah.

The scarab remains an item of popular interest thanks to modern fascination with the art and beliefs of ancient Egypt. Scarab beads in semiprecious stones or glazed ceramics can be purchased at most bead shops, while at Luxor Temple a massive ancient scarab has been roped off to discourage visitors from rubbing the base of the statue "for luck".

[edit] In literatureIn Aesop's fable "The Dung Beetle and the Eagle", the eagle kills a hare despite the beetle's appeals. The beetle takes revenge by twice destroying the eagle's eggs. The eagle, in despair, flies up to Olympus and places her latest eggs in Zeus's lap, beseeching the god to protect them. When the beetle finds out what the eagle has done, it stuffs itself with dung, goes straight up to Zeus and flies right into his face. Zeus is startled at the sight of the unpleasant creature and jumps to his feet. The eggs are broken. Zeus then learns of the beetle's plea which the eagle had ignored. He scolds the eagle and urges the beetle to stay away from the bird. But his efforts to persuade the beetle fail; so he changes the breeding season of the eagles to take place at a time when the beetles are not above ground.

Aristophanes alluded to Aesop's fable several times in his plays. In Peace, the hero rides up to Olympus to free the goddess Peace from her prison. His steed is an enormous dung beetle which has been fed so much dung that it has grown to monstrous size.

In Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis, the transformed character of Gregor Samsa is called an "old dung beetle" (alten Mistkäfer) by the charwoman.

The inadvertent theft of a prized scarab forms the backdrop to Something Fresh, the first of the celebrated Blandings Castle novels of P.G. Wodehouse.

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The Golden Girls is an American sitcom that originally aired on NBC from September 14, 1985, to May 9, 1992. Starring Beatrice Arthur, Betty White, Rue McClanahan and Estelle Getty, the show centers on four older women sharing a Miami, Florida home. The series was produced by Touchstone Television (now ABC Studios) and distributed by Buena Vista Television(now Disney-ABC Domestic Television), both subsidiaries of The Walt Disney Company.

The sitcom was originally conceived by NBC executive Brandon Tartikoff and created by Susan Harris. Tartikoff was visiting his elderly aunt one day, and saw how she and her next-door neighbor, who also was her best friend, interacted with each other. Despite their constant bickering and arguments, they were still the best of friends, and loved each other. He thought that would make a great premise for a TV show.

The Golden Girls won several awards, including the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series twice. All four stars won at least one Emmy Award throughout the series' entire run.

[edit] BeginningsIn the very beginning, three middle-aged women share a fashionable house in Miami, Florida. Blanche Devereaux (Rue McClanahan) owned the house; Rose Nylund (Betty White) and Dorothy Zbornak (Bea Arthur) both responded to an ad looking for rooms for rent on the bulletin board of a local grocery store. Blanche, Rose, and Dorothy were later joined by Dorothy's mother, Sophia Petrillo (Estelle Getty), when Sophia's retirement home, Shady Pines, burned down. In the pilot episode, the character Coco (played by Charles Levin), a gay man who was the ladies' cook, was also featured, but was dropped from the show after the pilot. Originally, the character of Sophia was intended to appear only sporadically, but Getty's portrayal proved so popular with test audiences and concerns from NBC executives about having an openly gay character in a prime time series, the decision was made to drop Coco. Sophia was hastily written into the earliest scripts (many of Sophia's famous zingers and one liners were originally written for the Coco character). Charles Levin was credited as a "Special Guest Star" as a result.

Originally, McClanahan was cast as Rose and White was cast as Blanche, but both actresses felt the roles were too similar to those they had played previously. White had portrayed man-hungry Sue Ann Nivens on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, while McClanahan had co-starred as sweet but scatterbrained Vivian Harmon opposite Arthur in Maude. Anxious not to be stereotyped, the two suggested they switch roles, and the producers agreed.

During its original run, The Golden Girls won 65 Emmy nominations, 11 Emmy awards, four Golden Globe Awards, and two Viewers For Quality Television awards. All the lead actresses won Emmy Awards for their performances on the show. The Golden Girls, along with All in the Family and Will & Grace, is one of the few shows where all the principal actors have won Emmy Awards.

[edit] Dorothy ZbornakMain article: Dorothy ZbornakDorothy Zbornak (née Petrillo) was an Italian Catholic, raised in Brooklyn, New York by her mother Sophia and her father Salvadore (played in flashbacks by Sid Melton). Nicknamed "Pussycat" by her mother, Dorothy had a younger brother and sister. Brother Phil, a cross-dresser, was often referred to but never seen. He later died of a heart attack in an episode featuring Brenda Vaccaro as his widow. Sister Gloria, the youngest Petrillo sibling, married into money; she appeared in two episodes, but was played by two different actresses (Doris Belack and Dena Dietrich). After moving to Miami in her later years, Dorothy continued working as a substitute teacher.

On the night of their high school prom, Stanley Zbornak got Dorothy pregnant and married her to legitimize the baby. Stan and Dorothy were married for 38 years, although Stan cheated on her numerous times, finally leaving her for a young flight attendant named Chrissy, whom he met on the way to a business conference in Hawaii. As Dorothy explained in one episode, the captain on the flight told the flight attendants to "give the passengers a lei." Chrissy got confused (implying that she had sex with Stan), but she and Stan ended up marrying and living in Maui. Dorothy had two children, Kate and Michael, and a grandchild named Robbie. In the second season, an episode featuring a visit from Michael, Dorothy referred to him as being 29, which would make her 47, likely a miscalculation on the part of the writers. The following season when Michael came for a visit (in the episode "Mixed Blessings") to announce his engagement to Lorraine, Dorothy repeatedly said in one scene that Michael was only 23 and Lorraine was 44. In a season's time, Michael suddenly dropped 6 years of his life. Michael should have been 40-41 years old when that episode aired in order for Dorothy to have had given birth to him when she was 18-19 years old.

Though Dorothy and Stan were divorced, he made numerous appearances on the show (the character of Stan was portrayed by Herb Edelman), usually running to Dorothy whenever something went wrong in his life. Stan continually saw Dorothy as a comforting, reliable figure; even though he was the one who destroyed their marriage. Dorothy emerged from the divorce a bitter and desperate woman, while her ex-husband seemed to descend further into childishness. Dorothy shot down all attempts of male companionship before beginning a relationship with the married gym teacher. This affair was short lived, but she was made a stronger and more confident woman for it. They ended up having a one-night stand in the first season (which Stan mistakenly thought would lead to a reconciliation), and, a few seasons later, started dating again with plans to re-marry. Dorothy called off the reconciliation on the day of the wedding when Stan asked her to sign a pre-nuptial agreement. (Dorothy's proud mother Sophia, who had never quite forgiven her "yutz" son-in-law for cheating on her daughter, proudly announced to the wedding guests: "She turned him down. Remember that!").

Toward the end of the series, Beatrice Arthur made it clear that she wanted out. This inevitably set the plot for the last first-run airing. In the series' final episode, Dorothy married Blanche's uncle Lucas Hollingsworth (played by Leslie Nielsen), making her "Aunt" Dorothy Hollingsworth. Stan, though saddened to see Dorothy move on to her new life without him, gave Dorothy his blessing while disguised as the limo driver who took her to the wedding.

[edit] Rose NylundMain article: Rose NylundRose Nylund (née Lindstrom) was from the small farming town of St. Olaf, Minnesota, a community of Norwegian-Americans that was once referred to by Dorothy as "the cradle of idiocy". Rose delighted in telling profoundly strange stories of life growing up in St. Olaf, stories which provided comedic fodder for her character. Typical stories focused on people with names such as Hans, Lars, or Sven, and various experiences with herring. Though Rose was decidedly the mildest-mannered of all 4 roommates, she had an incredible competitive streak, which reared its head during several situations, most notably the bowling championship in the episode entitled "The Competition", and while coaching a boys' football team with Dorothy.

Rose spent the first few years of her life in an orphanage in St. Olaf. As discovered in one memorable episode, she spent much of her life convinced that Bob Hope was her biological father. Toward the end of the series run, however, she learned she had been born out of wedlock to a monk (Don Ameche) and his lover, Ingrid, who died in childbirth. Shortly after birth, as detailed by a similar episode, Rose was left on the doorstep of the unbeknownst family and subsequently adopted and raised by the large (and apparently somewhat bizarre) Lindstroms. Her adoptive father had died prior to the start of the series, but in one episode she was visited by her free-spirited adoptive mother, Alma (played by veteran star Jeanette Nolan); she later died off screen during the course of the series. Rose was one of 9 siblings (once stating that her parents loved 'all 9 of us equally'); several were, like Rose, named after types of flowers. These included the two sisters who visited Rose in Miami: Lily, who was blind (played by Polly Holliday), and Holly (played by Inga Swenson), a professional musician whom Rose could not stand, as she seemed to act, as Rose once stated "like such a jackass".

Rose was married for many years to traveling insurance salesman Charlie Nylund, who moonlighted as a horseshoe salesman, and had 5 children: three daughters (Kirsten, Bridgette, and Jeanella) and two sons (Adam and Charlie Jr.) Kirsten and Bridgette would visit their mother in Miami on more than one occasion, while Adam; Charlie Jr.; and Jeanella were mentioned but never seen on the show. Rose had several grandchildren, including two granddaughters, Charley and Charlene (the former appeared on the The Golden Girls and the latter of whom visited Rose in The Golden Palace).

After Charlie's death in 1980 (he died of a heart attack while they were making love), Rose lived alone in St. Olaf for a while, and then she moved to Miami and found work at a grief counseling center. During the show's run, Charlie's pension was cut off, and Rose was forced to find a more lucrative job, ending up as the assistant to consumer reporter Enrique Mas at a local TV station. Over the course of the series, Rose also volunteered at the local hospital, and worked on a number of charity projects.

In later seasons, Rose became romantically involved with college professor Miles Webber (played by Harold Gould) Rose later discovered that Miles was part of the Witness Protection Program). Webber was stated as previously being known as Nicholas Carbone, an accountant from Chicago. After a gangster named Mickey "The Cheeseman" Moran faked his own death, Miles was briefly re-located to Pennsylvania as an Amish farmer named Samuel Plankmaker. Incidentally, the same actor who played Miles also played "Arnie", one of Rose's brief love interests in the first season.

After the show's run, when the girls sold the house and bought a hotel (The Golden Palace), Rose was the wedding consultant for the hotel. She also was in charge of handling all banquets, conferences, and affairs for the hotel. While she was handling a wedding reception for a bride and setting up the special "Cow-Themed Wedding", Miles' name was found in the hotel registry several times, having checked in several times with another woman. Blanche informs Rose what she has found, Rose confronts Miles with the information, and it comes out that he's not the Miles Webber that was in the hotel registry. Miles did admit he was seeing another woman who worked in a restaurant, and that he couldn't choose between them. Rose ends the relationship stating that, after all they'd been through, if he wasn't sure she's the one that he wants to spend the rest of his life with, then he'll never know. Later on, Rose finds out the bride who is having the special "Cow-Themed Wedding", which has always been Rose's dream wedding (for her and Miles), is planning to marry Miles. At the end of the episode, Rose is in the hotel kitchen looking into the banquet room during the wedding ceremony. Rose tells Blanche that she has to be there in order to say goodbye and have closure.

Rose suffered from a number of health problems during the course of the show, most notably a massive heart attack during the show's final season. In one episode, it was also indicated that Rose had been addicted to painkillers for many years, having been prescribed a drug many years earlier after a farm injury. Also, in an episode entitled "72 Hours", Rose is informed that a blood transfusion she received during a routine surgery was possibly infected with HIV. After undergoing some routine tests, and anxiously waiting for 3 days, she is determined to be HIV-negative.

In honor of the character, the real-life township of St. Olaf created the Rose Nylund Award for Civic Excellence.

[edit] Blanche DevereauxMain article: Blanche DevereauxBlanche Devereaux (née Hollingsworth) was a Southern belle who grew up on a plantation outside of Atlanta, Georgia. Blanche was always "the apple of her father's eye" (she referred to him as "Big Daddy," a reference to the Tennessee Williams character Harvey 'Big Daddy' Pollitt in Cat On A Hot Tin Roof). However, she tried many times to spin his affection for her as more negative. Blanche had a love-hate relationship with her sisters Charmaine (Barbara Babcock) and Virginia (Sheree North). She also faced difficulty coming to terms with the homosexuality of her brother Clayton (Monte Markham), and the mental illness of her brother Tad (Ned Beatty), later revealed in The Golden Palace.

The house that the ladies shared, at 6151 Richmond St., initially belonged to Blanche, who had lived there for many years with her late husband George (played in flashbacks by George Grizzard). (Later in the series, however, she sold equal shares of the house to Dorothy, Rose, and Sophia.) Blanche and George had 6 children: two daughters (Rebecca and Janet, both of whom made appearances on the show), and four sons (including Matthew, a CPA who appeared in the spin-off series The Golden Palace). Biff, Doug, and Skippy were mentioned as her sons once to Dorothy but never mentioned anything further about them. Blanche had an estranged relationship with both of her daughters. Rebecca resented her for objecting to her plans to leave school to become a model in Paris; when she returned to visit for the first time in four years, she was now overweight, which Blanche had difficulty accepting at first. Rebecca returned later on in the series by a different actress who was totally thin. At no point in that episode did Blanche or anybody else mention the fact that Rebecca was thin, and her weight gain in her first appearance was the main storyline of the episode. This raised some questions of whether or not the writers actually remembered that Rebecca was very overweight a year or two earlier. Janet resents Blanche for her lack of involvement in her life growing up, a fact that Blanche laments to this day regarding all of her children. Blanche had several grandchildren, notably David (a teenage rebel who visited Miami in one episode), Sara (who visited with her mother Janet during the last season), Melissa (a young beauty-pageant contestant), and Aurora (Rebecca's infant daughter, conceived by artificial insemination in one of the series' on-going storylines). Blanche acted as Rebecca's birthing coach in the delivery and the experience helped further heal their relationship.

George Devereaux's illegitimate son, David (played by Mark Moses), the seventh Devereaux child, was discovered when the young man turned up at the house, looking for George. This led Blanche to struggle with the fact that her husband, to whom she was devoted, was unfaithful during their marriage.

Throughout most of the series, Blanche was portrayed as man-hungry, and she clearly had the most male admirers -- and stories detailing various sexual encounters -- over the course of the series. At the funeral for her husband, George (who had died when a wrong-way driver hit him head-on [there was once an episode where George was thought to be alive, but we later find out that the whole episode was just Blanche's dream. She wakes up and is comforted by the girls.]), she made a date with a man because, as Rose said, "She can't be without a man, do you know what I mean?" Sophia, in particular, had some of the best lines in relation to Blanche's over-sexed nature, referring to her as a "human mattress". When Dorothy asked Blanche how long she waited to have sex after George died, Sophia responded, "'Til the paramedics came!"

Blanche was very vain, and as a result, always tried to act younger than she was. Although it is widely believed that her exact age was never revealed (it was mentioned she even had her true date of birth removed from vital records "by order of the Governor"), in Season 3, Episode 25 entitled "Mother's Day" (Aired May 7, 1988), it is revealed in a flashback that Blanche was 17 in 1949. That would make her 53 when the series began in 1985, and 61 when the spin-off ended in 1993.

Blanche was employed at an art museum, and her boss was Mr. Allen, a very nice man, although he admitted to having an affair with his best friend's wife in an episode when Dorothy came to work at the museum, sparking jealousy in Blanche, which was an on-going trait of hers.

Blanche's unapologetic enjoyment of sex contributed to some of the best dialogue on the show. For example:

Blanche: "Do you know what I hate doing most after a party?"Rose: "Trying to find your underwear in the big pile?"

Sophia: "Is it true what they say about black men in the bedroom?Blanche: "Oh yes definitely... that is definitely something I would like to know too."

[edit] Sophia PetrilloMain article: Sophia PetrilloSophia Petrillo is the daughter of Don Angelo and his wife Eleanor from Sicily. Sophia was born in Sicily and moved to New York after annulling her first (arranged) marriage to Guido Spirelli (she was also briefly engaged to a young man from her village, Augustine Bagatelli, as a teenager). She married Salvador Petrillo (Sid Melton), and they had three children: Dorothy, a divorced substitute Teacher whom Sophia depended upon and came to live with; Phil, a cross-dresser who was married with kids; and Gloria, who married into wealth, but eventually lost the fortune that her deceased husband left her.

Sophia was put away in the Shady Pines Retirement Home by Dorothy prior to the start of the series. Sophia had suffered a massive stroke, which, on more than one occasion, was said to have destroyed the part of her brain that acted as a censor; indeed, much of Sophia's popularity comes from her humorous, and often shocking, frankness and general lack of inhibition. In the pilot episode, she came to live with the Girls after Shady Pines burned down. In a later episode, Sophia tried to run away to Sicily after becoming the prime suspect in starting the fire after making s'mores with a roommate on an illegal hotplate. Sophia never had good things to say about her retirement home, and she alluded to poor treatment by the staff many times throughout the series' run (although, in an episode meant to raise awareness about poor-quality nursing homes, she did admit that the treatment at Shady Pines was satisfactory). There were constant hints in the series that she and her family back in Sicily had some mafia connections; she once stated that she had lived through "two world wars, 15 vendettas, 4 operations and two Darrins on Bewitched". In one episode, she accidentally let it slip that she knew what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.

Members of Sophia's family who appeared throughout the course of the show include: her sister Angela (played by Nancy Walker), her brother Angelo (played by Bill Dana), her daughter Gloria (played by Doris Belack and Dena Dietrich), and, in flashbacks, her husband Sal, her mother (played by Bea Arthur), and her father (also played by Bill Dana), and Dorothy herself at a younger age (played by Lyn Greene). Phil, her only son, was never seen; he died later on in the series when he suffered a heart attack (due to his obesity) while trying on large women's clothing (even in his wake, Phil is referred to as wearing women's clothing.) In the episode "Ebbtide's Revenge", after her son's funeral, Sophia (with the help of Dorothy's no-nonsense personality and Rose's caring counseling expertise from her grief counseling center job), finally realized the root of her anger, broke into tears, and ended the long feud with Phil's wife Angela (played by Brenda Vaccaro). It is revealed that Sophia was angry at herself because she wondered what she had done or said to her son to make him want to be a cross-dresser, and is finally able to reconcile with Angela after coming to the realization that she still loved him and in one of Sophia's few true emotional moments says "My baby is gone." Sophia always referred to Angela as "Big Sally", because it got on Angela's nerves. Phil, Angela, and their children lived in a trailer home in Newark, New Jersey. During the series' run, Sophia married Max Weinstock (played by Jack Gilford), Sal's business partner, and attempted to revive Sal and Max's old pizza-and-knish business at the beach, but they soon separated, realizing they were better off as friends "with occasional benefits". Throughout the series, she held a few part-time jobs mostly involving food including fast-food worker and entrepreneur of spaghetti sauce and homemade "chuck wagon" sandwiches.

[edit] Episodes and formatMain article: List of The Golden Girls episodesMany episodes of the series followed a similar format or theme. For example, one or more of the women would become involved in some sort of conflict or problem, often involving other family members, men, or an ethical dilemma. At some point, they would gather around the kitchen table and discuss the problem, sometimes late at night and often while eating cheesecake and/or some other dessert. One of the other girls would then tell a story from her own life, which somehow related to the problem (though Rose would occasionally regale a nonsense story that had nothing to do with the situation, and Sophia would tell outrageous made-up stories). Sophia always began her stories with "picture it...", before indicating the location and year in which her story took place. Blanche's stories usually revolved around her romantic encounters or her years growing up in the South, while Rose's stories came from her time in her hometown of St. Olaf, and often began with "Back in St Olaf...". Certain episodes would also feature a series of flashbacks, as the girls recounted experiences from their time together. By the end of the episode, the conflict would be resolved. Some episodes featured flashbacks to previous episodes, or to events that occurred before the series began. These earlier flashbacks usually featured Sophia living in Brooklyn with her husband, Sal, and featured Estelle Getty without her usual wig and appearing much younger in different make-up.

[edit] ResponseAn immediate run-away hit, The Golden Girls became a staple of NBC's Must See TV on Saturday nights. The show was the anchor of the Saturday line-up, and routinely won its time slot, as the other networks tried to find shows to compete against it. The Golden Girls was part of a series of Brandon Tartikoff shows that revitalized NBC's ratings slump, along with The Cosby Show and LA Law.

The Golden Girls had a loyal fan base that still exists to this day, thanks to reruns. The show was often controversial, as its main characters were 4 single older women who lived together, but were still sexually active, and up-to-date with pop culture. Mild profanity and sexual innuendo were common on the program. The effects of Sophia's stroke, which, according to Dorothy, "rendered her totally annoying", enabled the character to get away with much more than the other women.

[edit] Writing processThe first head writers of the series, Kathy Speer and Terry Grossman, wrote for the show's first four seasons. As head writers, Speer and Grossman gave general ideas to lower staff writers, and personally wrote a handful of scripts each season.

In 1989, Marc Sotkin, previously a writer on Laverne & Shirley, took over head-writing responsibilities, and guided the show (to varying degrees) during what would be its final three seasons. Other writers, including Richard Vaczy and Tracy Gamble, previously writers on 227 and My Two Dads, also assumed the roles of show runners, and were themselves replaced in 1990 with Marc Cherry and Jamie Wooten. Mitchell Hurwitz was also a long-time member of the writing staff.

In September 1991, NBC moved the series from its comfortable 9 p.m. ET time slot to 8 p.m. NBC had trouble filling the slot since 227 vacated it in the spring of 1990. Following the change, the show fell from 10th place in the previous season to 30th.

[edit] FinaleAfter six consecutive seasons in the top 10, and a seventh season at #30, The Golden Girls came to an end when Bea Arthur decided it was time to move on. In the hour-long finale, which aired in May 1992, Dorothy marries Blanche's Uncle Lucas (Leslie Nielsen), and moves to Hollingsworth Manor in Atlanta, Georgia. Presumably, Sophia was to join her, but, in the end, Sophia stays behind with the other girls in Miami. In the bittersweet final moments, Dorothy comes rushing back in through different entrances of the house for their final goodbyes, until making her final exit, leaving the other three ladies alone. The finale garnered 27.2 million viewers (38 percent of all Americans watching television at the time).

[edit] Post-cancellation

[edit] Network rerunsGolden Girls had the distinction of replacing the long-running Wheel of Fortune on NBC's daytime schedule in June 1989, airing reruns at 11 a.m. (EST). Wheel of Fortune moved to CBS a few weeks later.

Starting in the beginning of March 1997, the Lifetime cable network acquired the exclusive rights to repeat the episodes in the US, which will expire in February 2009. The show remains popular in its second decade on the channel, with daily airings still attracting roughly 1.2 million viewers.[citation needed]

The Hallmark Channel announced that The Golden Girls will be added to their line up in March 2009. [1]

[edit] TV reunion specialA 90-minute retrospective special, The Golden Girls: Their Greatest Moments, aired on the Lifetime network on June 2, 2003, reuniting Arthur, McClanahan and White to reminisce about their time on the show; Getty was too ill to participate and Arthur acknowledged that the reunion was not as touching as it should have been because of her absence.

The special featured clips of the girls' favorite comedic and musical moments from the show, including never-before-seen bloopers and outtakes, as well as interviews with executive producers Paul Junger Witt and Tony Thomas, and creator/writer Susan Harris.

Arthur also paid tribute to the late Herb Edelman, who had played Dorothy's unorganized ex-husband Stan and had passed away in 1996, saying that he was a wonderful, funny, and very warm man, and was not like his character, Stan.

[edit] DVD releasesWalt Disney Studios Home Entertainment (formerly Buena Vista Home Entertainment) has released all seven seasons of The Golden Girls on DVD in Region 1, with other regions slowly following.

DVD title Release dates Region 1 Region 2 Region 4 The Golden Girls: The Complete First Season November 23, 2004 June 25, 2005 August 16, 2005 The Golden Girls: The Complete Second Season May 17, 2005 August 1, 2005 September 19, 2005 The Golden Girls: The Complete Third Season November 22, 2005 January 9, 2006 January 16, 2006 The Golden Girls: The Complete Fourth Season February 14, 2006 December 6, 2007 December 5, 2007 The Golden Girls: The Complete Fifth Season May 9, 2006 March 8, 2008 April 2, 2008 The Golden Girls: The Complete Sixth Season November 14, 2006 — — The Golden Girls: The Complete Seventh and Final Season February 13, 2007 — —

The DVDs, aside from certain episodes in Seasons Three and Five, contain the original, uncut episodes of the series, which include snippets of dialogue that do not appear in the current syndicated versions.

[edit] Spin-offsThe Golden Girls was created by Susan Harris, who later devised Empty Nest as a spin-off from The Golden Girls with some character crossovers. Nurses was later spunoff from Empty Nest, and the shows would occasionally have specials in which characters from one show made appearances in the other ones in order to boost ratings.

[edit] The Golden PalaceAfter the original series ended, White, McClanahan, and Getty reprised their characters in the CBS series The Golden Palace, which ran from September 1992 to May 1993. The show never approached the popularity or acclaim of the original, and ranked 57th in the annual ratings. There was reportedly a second season to this series that was canceled the day before the fall schedule was announced.

Lifetime, the current U.S. syndicated home of The Golden Girls, aired reruns of The Golden Palace in the summer of 2005, and starting again in December of that year. This was the first time since the end of the series that The Golden Palace was seen on American television. Until April 2006, Lifetime played the series as a "virtual" Season 8, airing the series in between the conclusion of the final season and the syndicated roll-over back to Season 1.

[edit] The Golden Girls: Live!The Golden Girls: Live! was an Off-Broadway show that opened in the summer of 2003 and ran until November of that year. The production ended its run because the producers failed to secure the rights to the show. The play was served with a cease and desist order by Susan Harris and Paul Junger Witt, creators of the original television show. Featuring an all-male cast, The Golden Girls: Live! consisted of two back-to-back episodes of the sitcom.

[edit] Empty NestA 1987 episode of The Golden Girls, titled "Empty Nests", featured guest stars Paul Dooley and Rita Moreno as George and Renee Corliss, a married couple living next to the Golden Girls and facing empty nest syndrome after their three adult daughters had moved out. The episode was intended to launch a spinoff series, but viewer response to the characters was not favorable, and the new show's premise was re-tooled.

The following year Empty Nest debuted, starring Richard Mulligan as pediatrician Harry Weston, a widower whose two adult daughters had moved back home. One supporting actor from the original episode, David Leisure, was retained in the new series, although his character, another neighbor of the Westons', was also re-named. Although the show did not feature the same characters who had appeared in "Empty Nests", the Westons' home was the same home used in the original episode. Characters from both shows made occasional guest appearances on the other show.

Empty Nest launched its own spin-off in 1991, Nurses, set in the same hospital where Dr. Weston worked. As one of the few times in television history that three shows from the same producer, set in the same city, aired back-to- back-to-back on a single network in the same night, the three shows occasionally took advantage of their unique circumstances to create storylines that carried through all three series, such as "Hurricane Saturday". This was one of the major factors in the popularity of fictional crossovers as a television plot device in the 1990s.

After the end of The Golden Palace, Getty joined the cast of Empty Nest, making far more frequent appearances as Sophia in the show's final years.

[edit] Foreign versions

[edit] Brighton BellesAlso in 1993, ITV premiered Brighton Belles, a United Kingdom version of the American sitcom. The show, starring Sheila Hancock, Wendy Craig, Sheila Gish, and Jean Boht was nearly identical to Girls except for character name changes and actor portrayals. The 10-episode series was canceled after six weeks due to low ratings, with the final four episodes airing more than a year later. [1]

[edit] ΧΡΥΣΑ ΚΟΡΙΤΣΙΑIn 2008, Greek broadcaster ET1 premiered Golden Girls (in Greek XΡΥΣΑ ΚΟΡΙΤΣΙΑ), which features the four women but in Greece. Each of the characters have been Hellenized to suit the culture and modern setting. Names were only slightly changed but more for cultural reasons, as Sofia (Sophia), Bela (Blanche), Dora (Dorothy), Fifi (Rose), and Panos (Stan). The series has been airing since mid January, and features many similar plots to the original.

[edit] Theme songThe theme song is "Thank You for Being a Friend", which was a #25 Pop hit for Andrew Gold in 1978. The show's version is a cover sung by Cynthia Fee.

[edit] The Golden Girls HouseThe house's address was mentioned as being 6151 Richmond St. in Miami, although no such street or address exists in that city.

The outside model used in the shots of the house in the series was part of the backstage studio tour ride at Disney/MGM studios. This façade — along with the Empty Nest house — was among those destroyed in Summer 2003, as Disney bulldozed the homes of "Residential Street" to make room for its "Lights, Motors, Action!" attraction. The façade was reportedly based on a real home in or near Pacific Palisades, California. The real house was seen in the first season's exterior shots. It was after this that the model was built at Disney World.

The interior shots of the house, obviously a soundstage, do not make any logical architectural sense in the real world. The narrow, diagonal hallway that led to the characters' bedrooms was far too close in angle to the space of the kitchen (and the supposed location of the garage) to contain any rooms that even approach the size of those shown in bedroom scenes. In fact, for the first few episodes, Blanche's bedroom was accessed through the large opening at the front of the house, later deemed the entrance to the "lanai" patio. The doors down the hallway led to different Girls' bedrooms, depending on the specific episode as well, although Blanche's bedroom was always the last door at the end of the hall.

Before filming the first episode, Arthur carved a small niche into the house's front door, in the shape of an exclamation point. It can be seen in every episode.[citation needed]

The house's kitchen was recycled from the short-lived Susan Harris series It Takes Two, which ran in 1982-83. After the first few episodes in season 1, the polka dot wallpaper of the original kitchen was replaced with a leafy pattern, deemed to be more "tropical" in appearance.

Mental retardation is a triarchic disorder, characterized by subaverage cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. Once focused almost entirely on cognition, the definition now includes both a component relating to mental functioning and one relating to the individual's functional skills in their environment.

Alternative termsThe term "mental retardation" is a diagnostic term designed to capture and standardize a group of disconnected categories of mental functioning such as "idiot", "imbecile", and "moron" derived from early IQ tests, which acquired pejorative connotations in popular discourse over time. The term "mental retardation" has itself now acquired some pejorative and shameful connotations over the last few decades due to the use of "retarded" as an insult among younger people. This may in turn have contributed to its replacement with expressions such as "mentally challenged" or "intellectual disability".

In North America mental retardation is subsumed into the broader term developmental disability, which also includes epilepsy, autism, cerebral palsy and other disorders that develop during the developmental period (birth to age 18.) Because service provision is tied to the designation developmental disability, it is used by many parents, direct support professional, and physicians. However, in school-based settings, the more specific term mental retardation is still typically used, and is one of 13 categories of disability under which children may be identified for special education services under Public Law 108-446. The phrase intellectual disability is increasingly being used as a synonym for people with significantly below-average cognitive ability.[1] These terms are sometimes used as a means of separating general intellectual limitations from specific, limited deficits as well as indicating that it is not an emotional or psychological disability. Intellectual disability may also used to describe the outcome of traumatic brain injury or lead poisoning or dementing conditions such as Alzheimer's disease. It is not specific to congenital disorders such as Down syndrome. The American Association on Mental Retardation continued to use the term mental retardation until 2006.[2] In June 2006 its members voted to change the name of the organization to the "American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities," rejecting the options to become the AAID or AADD. Part of the rationale for the double name was that many members worked with people with pervasive developmental disorders, most of whom are not mentally retarded.[3]

In the UK, "mental handicap" had become the common medical term, replacing "mental subnormality" in Scotland and "mental deficiency" in England and Wales, until Stephen Dorrell, Secretary of State for Health in England and Wales from 1995-7, changed the NHS's designation to "learning disability." The new term is not yet widely understood, and is often taken to refer to problems affecting schoolwork (the American usage): which are known in the UK as "learning difficulties." British social workers may use "learning difficulty" to refer to both people with MR and those with conditions such as dyslexia.

In England and Wales the Mental Health Act 1983 defines "mental impairment" and "severe mental impairment" as "a state of arrested or incomplete development of mind which includes significant/severe impairment of intelligence and social functioning and is associated with abnormally aggressive or seriously irresponsible conduct on the part of the person concerned."[4] As behavior is involved, these are not necessarily permanent conditions: they are defined for the purpose of authorising detention in hospital or guardianship. However, English statute law uses "mental impairment" elsewhere in a less well-defined manner—e.g. to allow exemption from taxes—implying that mental retardation without any behavioural problems is what is meant. Mental Impairment is scheduled to be removed from the Act when it is amended in 2008.

SignsChildren with developmental disabilities may learn to sit up, to crawl, or to walk later than other children, or they may learn to talk later. Both adults and children with intellectual disabilities may also exhibit the following symptoms:

have trouble speaking find it hard to remember things have trouble understanding social rules have trouble discerning cause and effect have trouble solving problems have trouble thinking logically. persistence of infantile behaviour. In early childhood mild disability (IQ 60–70) may not be obvious, and may not be diagnosed until children begin school. Even when poor academic performance is recognized, it may take expert assessment to distinguish mild mental disability from learning disability or behavior problems. As they become adults, many people can live independently and may be considered by others in their community as "slow" rather than retarded.

Moderate disability (IQ 50–60) is nearly always obvious within the first years of life. These people will encounter difficulty in school, at home, and in the community. In many cases they will need to join special, usually separate, classes in school, but they can still progress to become functioning members of society. As adults they may live with their parents, in a supportive group home, or even semi-independently with significant supportive services to help them, for example, manage their finances.

Among people with intellectual disabilities, only about one in eight will score below 50 on IQ tests. A person with a more severe disability will need more intensive support and supervision his or her entire life.

The limitations of cognitive function will cause a child to learn and develop more slowly than a typical child. Children may take longer to learn to speak, walk, and take care of their personal needs such as dressing or eating. Learning will take them longer, require more repetition, and there may be some things they cannot learn. The extent of the limits of learning is a function of the severity of the disability.

Nevertheless, virtually every child is able to learn, develop, and grow to some extent.

DiagnosisAccording to the latest edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV),[5] there are three criteria before a person is considered to have a mental retardation: an IQ below 70, significant limitations in two or more areas of adaptive behavior (as measured by an adaptive behavior rating scale, i.e. communication, self-help skills, interpersonal skills, and more), and evidence that the limitations became apparent before the age of 18.

It is formally diagnosed by professional assessment of intelligence and adaptive behavior.

IQ below 70The first English-language IQ test, the Terman-Binet, was adapted from an instrument used to measure potential to achieve developed by Binet in France. Terman translated the test and employed it as a means to measure a person's intellectual capacity based on their oral language, vocabulary, numerical reasoning, memory, motor speed and analysis skills. The mean score on the currently available IQ tests is 100, with a standard devation of 14 (WAIS/WISC-IV) or 15 (Stanford-Binet). Sub-average intelligence is generally considered to be present when an individual scores two standard deviatons below the test mean. However, given the bias present in IQ tests, and the faulty underlying assumption on which IQ tests is constructed (i.e. the construct of intelligence itself) and the limited predictability of IQ scores, test results are questionable at best. Moreover, since factors other than cognitive ability (depression, anxiety, etc.) can contribute to low IQ scores, it is important for the evaluator to rule them out prior to concluding that measured IQ is "significantly below average".

The following ranges, based on the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS), were favored at one time, but are rarely used now:

Significant limitations in two or more areas of adaptive behaviorAdaptive behavior, or adaptive functioning, refers to the skills needed to live independently (or at the minimally acceptable level for age). To assess adaptive behavior, professionals compare the functional abilities of a child to those of other children of similar age. To measure adaptive behavior, professionals use structured interviews, with which they systematically elicit information about the person's functioning in the community from someone who knows them well. There are many adaptive behavior scales, and accurate assessment of the quality of someone's adaptive behavior requires clinical judgment as well. Certain skills are important to adaptive behavior, such as:

daily living skills, such as getting dressed, using the bathroom, and feeding oneself; communication skills, such as understanding what is said and being able to answer; social skills with peers, family members, spouses, adults, and others.

Evidence that the limitations became apparent in childhoodThis third condition is used to distinguish it from dementing conditions such as Alzheimer's disease or is due to traumatic injuries that damaged the brain.

CausesDown syndrome, fetal alcohol syndrome and Fragile X syndrome are the three most common inborn causes. However, doctors have found many other causes. The most common are:

Genetic conditions. Sometimes disability is caused by abnormal genes inherited from parents, errors when genes combine, or other reasons. Examples of genetic conditions include Down syndrome, Fragile X syndrome, Phelan-McDermid syndrome (22q13del), Mowat-Wilson syndrome and phenylketonuria (PKU). Problems during pregnancy. Mental disability can result when the fetus does not develop inside the mother properly. For example, there may be a problem with the way the fetus's cells divide as it grows. A woman who drinks alcohol (see fetal alcohol syndrome) or gets an infection like rubella during pregnancy may also have a baby with mental disability. Problems at birth. If a baby has problems during labor and birth, such as not getting enough oxygen, he or she may have developmental disability due to brain damage. Health problems. Diseases like whooping cough, measles, or meningitis can cause mental disability. It can also be caused by not getting enough medical care, or by being exposed to poisons like lead or mercury. Iodine deficiency, affecting approximately 2 billion people worldwide, is the leading preventable cause of mental disability in areas of the developing world where iodine deficiency is endemic. Iodine deficiency also causes goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland. More common than full-fledged cretinism, as retardation caused by severe iodine deficiency is called, is mild impairment of intelligence. Certain areas of the world due to natural deficiency and governmental inaction are severely affected. India is the most outstanding, with 500 million suffering from deficiency, 54 million from goiter, and 2 million from cretinism. Among other nations affected by iodine deficiency, China and Kazakhstan have begun taking action, whereas Russia has not. [6] Malnutrition is a common cause of reduced intelligence in parts of the world affected by famine, such as Ethiopia. [7] Very rare conditions that are X/Y linked. In girls it can be 48, XXXX (only affecting 100 women worldwide), 49, XXXXX (only affecting 25 women worldwide) syndrome's. In boys it can be 46, XYY, 49, XXXXY, or 49, XYYYY.

Treatment and assistanceBy most definitions mental retardation is more accurately considered a disability rather than a disease. MR can be distinguished in many ways from mental illness, such as schizophrenia or depression. Currently, there is no "cure" for an established disability, though with appropriate support and teaching, most individuals can learn to do many things.

There are thousands of agencies in the United States that provide assistance for people with developmental disabilities. They include state-run, for-profit, and non-profit, privately run agencies. Within one agency there could be departments that include fully staffed residential homes, day habilitation programs that approximate schools, workshops wherein people with disabilities can obtain jobs, programs that assist people with developmental disabilities in obtaining jobs in the community, programs that provide support for people with developmental disabilities who have their own apartments, programs that assist them with raising their children, and many more. The Burton Blatt Institute at Syracuse University works to advance the civic, economic, and social participation of people with disabilities. There are also many agencies and programs for parents of children with developmental disabilities.

Although there is no specific medication for mental retardation, many people with developmental disabilities have further medical complications and may take several medications. Beyond that there are specific programs that people with developmental disabilities can take part in wherein they learn basic life skills. These "goals" may take a much longer amount of time for them to accomplish, but the ultimate goal is independence. This may be anything from independence in tooth brushing to an independent residence. People with developmental disabilities learn throughout their lives and can obtain many new skills even late in life with the help of their families, caregivers, clinicians and the people who coordinate the efforts of all of these people.

Archaic termsSeveral traditional terms denoting varying degrees of mental deficiency long predate psychiatry, but have since been subject to the euphemism treadmill. In common usage they are simple forms of abuse. Their now-obsolete use as psychiatric technical definitions is of purely historical interest. They are often encountered in old documents such as books, academic papers, and census forms (for example, the British census of 1901 has a column heading including the terms imbecile and feeble-minded).

There have been some efforts made among mental health professionals to discourage use of these terms. Nevertheless their use persists. In addition to the terms below, the abbreviation retard or tard is still used as a generic insult, especially among children and teens. A BBC survey in 2003 ranked retard as the most offensive disability-related word, ahead of terms such as spastic (not considered offensive in America[8]) and mong.[9]

Cretin is the oldest and probably comes from an old French word for Christian. The implication was that people with significant intellectual or developmental disabilities were "still human" (or "still Christian") and deserved to be treated with basic human dignity. This term has not been used in any serious or scientific endeavor since the middle of the 20th century and is now always considered a term of abuse: notably, in the 1964 movie Becket, King Henry II calls his son and heir a "cretin." "Cretinism" is also used as an obsolescent term to refer to the condition of congenital hypothyroidism, in which there is some degree of mental retardation. Idiot indicated the greatest degree of intellectual disability, where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard himself or herself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by the term profound mental retardation. Imbecile indicated an intellectual disability less extreme than idiocy and not necessarily inherited. It is now usually subdivided into two categories, known as severe mental retardation and moderate mental retardation. Moron was defined by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded in 1910, following work by Henry H. Goddard, as the term for an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve; mild mental retardation is now the term for this condition. Alternative definitions of these terms based on IQ were also used. This group was known in UK law from 1911 to 1959/60 as "feeble-minded." In the field of special education, Educable (or "educable mentally retarded") refers to MR students with IQs of approximately 50-75 who can progress academically to a late elementary level. Trainable (or "trainable mentally retarded") refers to students whose IQs fall below 50 but who are still capable of learning personal hygiene and other living skills in a sheltered setting, such as a group home. In many areas, these terms have fallen out of favor in favor of "severe" and "moderate" mental retardation. Usage has changed over the years, and differed from country to country, which needs to be borne in mind when looking at older books and papers. For example, "mental retardation" in some contexts covers the whole field, but used to apply to what is now the mild MR group. "Feeble-minded" used to mean mild MR in the UK, and once applied in the US to the whole field. "Borderline MR" is not currently defined, but the term may be used to apply to people with IQs in the 70s. People with IQs of 70 to 85 used to be eligible for special consideration in the US public education system on grounds of mental retardation. Along with the changes in terminology, and the downward drift in acceptability of the old terms, institutions of all kinds have had to repeatedly change their names. This affects the names of schools, hospitals, societies, government departments, and academic journals. For example, the Midlands Institute of Mental Subnormality became the British Institute of Mental Handicap and is now the British Institute of Learning Disability. This phenomenon is shared with mental health and motor disabilities, and seen to a lesser degree in sensory disabilities.

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