I think we struck a nerve. Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, this oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly appears to be the Achilles Heel of the new, insanely authoritarian progressive movement.

"The Affordable Care Act requires plans and issuers that offer dependent coverage to make the coverage available until a child reaches the age of 26. Both married and unmarried children qualify for this coverage. This rule applies to all plans in the individual market and to new employer plans. It also applies to existing employer plans unless the adult child has another offer of employer-based coverage (such as through his or her job). Beginning in 2014, children up to age 26 can stay on their parent's employer plan even if they have another offer of coverage through an employer."

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

So the individual mandate is wealth distribution from the young and poor to the old and wealthy? It's too early for me to wrap my head around that kind of stupid. The entire point TFA article is trying to make falls apart when you consider that parents can keep their sprog covered until they are 26. Let's not forget the subsidies either.

/will enjoy the tax benefit of keeping his daughter on his insurance while she goes to college.

EvilEgg:somedude210: Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

"....an incredibly regressive tax imposed on young healthy people that forces them to buy health-insurance plans that they can't afford and don't need, or pay a fine."

They're right. Young people don't need health insurance. Hell, I've paid for my car insurance all these years and haven't needed thus far. Of course, if I run someone down while texting and driving and the family sues me for $1 million, I might change my tune.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

Y'know, for some reason I feel like this thread, like many in the Politics Tab, is like those old Looney Toons shorts with Ralph the Wolf and Sam the Sheepdog. So far all the libby libtards are present and accounted for, now we just have to wait for the Usual Suspects to punch in and start herpaderping.

theorellior:Y'know, for some reason I feel like this thread, like many in the Politics Tab, is like those old Looney Toons shorts with Ralph the Wolf and Sam the Sheepdog. So far all the libby libtards are present and accounted for, now we just have to wait for the Usual Suspects to punch in and start herpaderping.

Mentat:I think we struck a nerve. Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, this oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly appears to be the Achilles Heel of the new, insanely authoritarian progressive movement.

Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

In other words, it's like the guy who yells "LOL I TROLLED YOU!" when you call him a moron for saying something ignorant. Supporters of the healthcare law weren't ticked off by your protest, they were mocking you for having an arts and crafts project to make fake cards to burn as if burning them has any personal ramifications like burning your draft card did.

The only thing that bugs me about the behavior is they are telling the people least familiar with purchasing healthcare these things. Just paying the fine sounds so much simpler and shows you're fighting the man, but the second one of these 20-something year old protestors is diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in Spring and say "well I'll just buy health insurance now" they will learn about something called open enrollment periods. The worst part is that I bet you that people will honestly claim Obamacare created open enrollment periods to punish protestors.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

DubyaHater:"....an incredibly regressive tax imposed on young healthy people that forces them to buy health-insurance plans that they can't afford and don't need, or pay a fine."

They're right. Young people don't need health insurance. Hell, I've paid for my car insurance all these years and haven't needed thus far. Of course, if I run someone down while texting and driving and the family sues me for $1 million, I might change my tune.

/Republicans are embarrassing to this country

Not to mention the individual mandate was one of the things Republicans wanted in there so they'd vote for the thing.

Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."

FTA: A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:"The penalty is $95. . ."

"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"

Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

pueblonative:FTA: A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:"The penalty is $95. . ."

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"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"

Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

Yes, I know. The author mentioned childless. Of course, he also failed to note that it takes only 1 denied birth control prescription or one screwed up "just pull out at the last second, honey" for that to be off the table.

Bloody William:Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."

Neddy doesn't believe in health insurance. He considers it a form of gambling.

what_now:Bloody William: Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."

Neddy doesn't believe in health insurance. He considers it a form of gambling.

NOT having health insurance is gambling. Or I guess if you have really shiatty health insurance that doesn't cover anything, that's also gambling.

I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.

TheDarkSaintOfGin:Seems that Part 2 of this story isn't getting traction. To think, I popped popcorn and everything.

The TeaDerps have a Part 2 to their Scab King inspired, "let Obama be the President of Ashes and Bones" plan? Other than promoting a tax writeoff that takes healthy people out of the insurance risk pool and in no way covers major medical expenses and letting snake insurance salesmen jump back and forth across state lines to avoid all those pesky regulations?