Post by kdogg on Sept 2, 2013 11:14:15 GMT -5

I think it's safe to assume one of the above gets whacked Night One, leaving no trail to follow in Day Two.I think it's also safe to assume at least one from this list is Mafia hoping to fly under the radar.

At the expense of sounding antagonistic, what the f*ck are you talking about?

Point 1:Mafia wants to keep the rest of us in the dark, so their victim will most likely shed little/no light on anything.The players who gave but didn't get votes? They're arguably their best way of doing just that.I brought this up proactively, because I hope we don't start out Day Two barking up a wrong tree at their suggestion.Point 2:Like I said, leaving a note for later in the game. Townies vote in the fog of war, role players don't. I think there's something of a case to be made as to why players without votes don't have votes because of this.Fault my logic there if you like, Jimmy. I could be wrong, but I'd bet a beer at the Brooers Tent on me being proven right there... for what that's worth.

Breaking my thoughts up into two posts, because I'm only using my phone for this game while everything's in flux.

I think it's worth noting that there are only two players who changed votes.One of them was Jimmyroo himselfThe other changed a vote away from Jimmyroo.I just find this curious that Jimmy's somehow involved with every changes vote. Anyone else?

Now... that alone isn't enough to persuade me to change my vote...But Jimmy... you called me a fucking rookie. As the guy who literally wrote the damn rules to this game, I don't take kindly to that.Now, I may not be right about some of the things I postulated... but I'm more sure that I take offense to that comment than anything at this point.

Post by Hakuna on Sept 2, 2013 15:15:28 GMT -5

Good enough for me. Jimmy's post seems extremely genuine for this early in the game, if he were to be mafia that is some damn good posting. So ill bite for now.

Since were on the topic if "safe to assume", I think it's safe to assume a solid mafia strategy In this big of game will be to target townies in the rounds that are solid players but not so much rookies or veterans, whack veterans, and keep around rookies and wild cards. If we are voting off townies and not nailing down mafia members I'm all for going after players mafia would benifit from keeping around. Kdogg if not mafia could very well be on that list.So lets see where this goes.

Post by ellabelle on Sept 2, 2013 19:37:41 GMT -5

Alright, I am back. Jimmy beat me on what I was trying to drunkenly say about kdogg. Theories based on frequent vote changes early on, people not having votes, people not participating etc etc, are BS. While these theories all have some basis in reality from one game or another, going in and hashing them over like they are some kind of aha! moments really won't get anything done since each game is unique. It seems more likely for mafia to use this type of bull to put the weaker townies on their side, and while I'm not changing my vote just yet, I am not going to buy any theories that are trying to be pushed yet.

Post by krissyjo on Sept 2, 2013 20:57:40 GMT -5

Thanks for the longer explanation, Jimmy. I've not played with Kdogg before (hell I've barely played with any of you) so I don't know playing styles or what sticks out as red flags. After reading what Jimmy had to say, I went to Kdogg's post and I'm not as swayed as I was previously. Gotta love how this damn game keeps my brain on see-saw mode. I'm playing it safe and staying with my vote just to get it narrowed down so that hopefully the runoff helps me make a better decision.

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Post by Tejas on Sept 3, 2013 11:03:43 GMT -5

I guess I'm okay with the current runoff as well. I would have kinda liked to see at least Kdogg & Jimmyroo in the runoff since they were the only ones that had any real discussion. But I don't feel that strongly about it so I'll keep my vote where its at.

Post by bonzai on Sept 3, 2013 11:21:11 GMT -5

I guess I'm okay with the current runoff as well. I would have kinda liked to see at least Kdogg & Jimmyroo in the runoff since they were the only ones that had any real discussion. But I don't feel that strongly about it so I'll keep my vote where its at.

Agreed. I was toying with that idea as I caught up last night, but it's just too early... There is too little to go on in day 1, as long as there is a run-off, I'm good.

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Post by Hakuna on Sept 3, 2013 11:51:19 GMT -5

Quack it.Hakuna >> Bonzai >> KDogg >> Jimmy

With no one biting at getting atleast one of them in there I can't help but think there is some sort of protection going on. I look at where the runoff list is and noticeMyself, EAP, LD, Mike D, and Bacon. I can't help but notice all of us have been day 1 targets more than once in games I have played.I'm starting to think this runoff was more deliberate than not.I also. Think it is interesting that the other 2, boner and Pepe are the 2 voting for LD.

I'm just rambling at this point but I think trends are starting to become clearer and we are starting to get somewhere.I'm sure this will look more as an attempt to get myself out of the runoff, but as usual i really don't mind.

Post by krissyjo on Sept 3, 2013 12:31:22 GMT -5

It seems like Kdogg and Jimmy are the only two that have really had any real suspicions raised against them, so I agree with putting them in the runoff. I would be willing to move to Jimmy so we could get a better feel for him, but that would put 8 in the runoff, and I don't think that narrows the field enough. If 8 is a good number for you guys, let me know and I'll switch my vote.

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Post by kdogg on Sept 3, 2013 13:50:53 GMT -5

There's a difference between deliberately trying to confuse players and being more proactive while under the fog of war in early rounds. I'm merely being proactive.

You should know this style of play by now, Jimmy. We've played this game before, plenty of times.I started playing Mafia here probably five years ago. My first game was Mafia 8. I did literally write the version of the rules that's been in use for over two dozen games.I'm sorry if it sounds like ego, but I do happen to know my way around a Mafia game.You'd rather I sit and twiddle my thumbs or something?

I know it's been about a year since I've played Mafia here, but I don't remember you ever being so nasty in times of disagreement. The Jimmy I remember playing with could be civil in disagreement and didn't hastily throw around those kind of insults when not seeing eye to eye. The Jimmy I remember playing with would've admitted to crossing a line with the insults while restating their disagreement politely. Jimmy today doubles down with a "you suck."

So what's different about the Jimmy I'm playing with now? Is having a certain role bringing out the worst in you?

Post by krissyjo on Sept 3, 2013 15:36:10 GMT -5

I agree with the runoff numbers. I was thinking 5-6, but 7-8 is a bit much. If someone wants to lesson the runoff pool, feel free to move a vote to me if you want to pull it from someone in the runoff.