stephen23 wrote:Wow. I hope the new Euro doesnt pan out. Its a lot stronger!!! Making the turn towards nyc with 121kt 850mb winds

What would that translate too? I converted the 121 knots to mph and it said 139 mph?????? That can't be right? Is it?

No, that's correct. Its at the 850mb level though, so there would be a reduction involved in calculating surface winds. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I'm sure someone on here knows.

Using 60%, 120 knots comes out to about 72 knots on the surface. 70% is 84 knots. Not sure if those would be representative, but it gives you an idea. Another issue is that as you go higher in those high rise buildings, the closer to those high winds you get. Look at what Wilma did to the high rises in Miami as an example. Many buildings will lose most, if not all, of their glass in the upper levels...which then poses a falling/flying glass hazard for other buildings and people!

What would that translate too? I converted the 121 knots to mph and it said 139 mph?????? That can't be right? Is it?[/quote]No, that's correct. Its at the 850mb level though, so there would be a reduction involved in calculating surface winds. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I'm sure someone on here knows.[/quote]Using 60%, 120 knots comes out to about 72 knots on the surface. 70% is 84 knots. Not sure if those would be representative, but it gives you an idea. Another issue is that as you go higher in those high rise buildings, the closer to those high winds you get. Look at what Wilma did to the high rises in Miami as an example. Many buildings will lose most, if not all, of their glass in the upper levels...which then poses a falling/flying glass hazard for other buildings and people![/quote]

What do the latest GFS and EURO suggest for landfall location and timing. Let's please keep posting graphics please. I'm not sure where they are found

I think this is important as winds will be significant, especially in a 150 mile radius around Sandy's center...sustained hurricane force. NYC is forecast to be on the northern fringe at the moment. Any more shifts south and the city could be spared from hurricane force sustained winds (not from surge though). Worst case scenario is if Sandy makes landfall farther north (Central NJ coast) as surge AND winds will be even worse

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In response to clipper35's (who shares my confusion) question: "ozone nice map but you have that center of sandy that far north into nj most forcasts are now saying southern new jersey yoy know something that we dont?"

I have said since Thursday evening, given the model output, the center comes ashore between Long Beach Island and Sandy Hook. But landfall anywhere from Atlantic City northward to NYC will be devastating at the coast from central Jersey to most of Long Island. Just does not look very hopeful.

-OzonePete

Exact landfall location is important for cities further north or south like Richmond,VA or Albany,NY which may escape the significant damaging sustained winds or very high gusts (70+)