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After reading the article I started to think that mixed gender bathrooms might not be such a bad thing. It seems like if everybody did it, it would likely bring genders together and reduce gender segregation. Like, if people showered and crapped together people wouldn't get those weird misconceptions that the other gender is fundamentally better or more delicate or whatever. I know that people are gonna say that rape would be an issue, but I don't know if that would actually be the case. If people saw the opposite gender naked all the time it would probably desexualize nudity and wouldn't really be turned on by it. In fact, that might actually reduce rape/sexual assault.

Of course I understand that integrating that kind of thing would be a near impossible task, but I still want to know what you escapists think of the concept. Would it bring good or harm to society? Would it drive everybody into ravaging beasts of pure sexual energy bound on raping the first thing they see? Would it not really make a difference at all?

During my first year, I lived at a uni accommodation and shared bathrooms (both showers and toilets there) with everybody else on the floor (about 20 people). And only now that I think about it, there really wasn't separation of sexes. Then again, it never occurred to me, because everybody on the floor was male. OK, in the second half of the year some guy started living with his girlfriend but it was only for a short time before the year ended. Also, the showers were not open to everybody - they had doors that could be locked (same with toilets - duh) so...I don't see the reason to have an open shower policy.

Yeah, maybe that would solve the problem - no open shower policy. There you go - all parties are happy - transgender, gender, the establishment. Am I missing something? Is the answer really so simple?

Personally, I like having coed bathrooms at my dorm. On average cleaner toilets is worth the trade for having to deal with the occasional unflushed bloody mess. Granted, the showers don't have men showering with women at the same time, seeing as we have individual showers. Granted, I would be pretty uncomfortable with ANYONE in my shower.

I grew up in a society where sitting in a heated room, naked, sweating, with complete strangers, is considered having a good time. Since I was raised by a single mother and didn't want to go alone, as a little boy I shared the showers with women. I was a massive perv from an early age though, so I probably shouldn't have been there.

But seriously, nudity is only as big an issue as people make it. I saw some people on an anti-porn crusade claiming that a child witnessing nudity leaves a trauma equal to child abuse. It fucking doesn't. Some cultures just make a bigger deal about it than others. I'm not sure mixed-gender showers are the answer, but some people just need to stop being such prudes.

Actually, they might have a point after all. Maybe that IS the root of all my problems...

Well, I've never experienced a co-ed bathroom of any variety in my life but I think as long as everyone, both male and female, show one another respect and do not cause one another to feel threatened at any time then there shouldn't be a problem. I honestly have some rather serious body image problems myself so I would undoubtedly feel uncomfortable in a co-ed bathroom but I think it could also lead to me overcoming my issues.

All that aside, as long as everyone acts like decent adults and not sex starved teenagers then co-ed bathrooms shouldn't even be a point worth discussing. Just be sure to throw out anyone that is too immature to practice common decency.

I've lived in dorms for six years of my life, and every bathroom has had some degree of separation between showerheads. I don't envision co-ed bathrooms being a gym locker room-style open floorplan. With some modicum of privacy, I don't see why co-ed bathrooms wouldn't work.

I would like to think we're all big boys and girls and don't freak out whenever something involving nudity comes up. But then there are the select few special individuals that just ruin it for everyone.

After reading the article I started to think that mixed gender bathrooms might not be such a bad thing. It seems like if everybody did it, it would likely bring genders together and reduce gender segregation. Like, if people showered and crapped together people wouldn't get those weird misconceptions that the other gender is fundamentally better or more delicate or whatever. I know that people are gonna say that rape would be an issue, but I don't know if that would actually be the case. If people saw the opposite gender naked all the time it would probably desexualize nudity and wouldn't really be turned on by it. In fact, that might actually reduce rape/sexual assault.

Of course I understand that integrating that kind of thing would be a near impossible task, but I still want to know what you escapists think of the concept. Would it bring good or harm to society? Would it drive everybody into ravaging beasts of pure sexual energy bound on raping the first thing they see? Would it not really make a difference at all?

Well, i think male and female Romans bathed together and used public toilets together as well but their society was a lot more sexist than ours and more openly sexual. So i don't really think that displays of nudity in a non-sexual context really do much to alter perceptions of the other gender. Intuitively you'd think it would, but if you look at cultures where there was frequent mixed female and male nudity it doesn't seem to point to de-sexualised male/female relations.

I've never had to use co-ed showers before and i'm kind of glad i never did. I either had an en-suite bathroom or a shared bathroom at uni, however i've had to use open-plan changing rooms for swimming pools a few times before. I really don't like them because you've got to be tactical about how you remove your clothes to minimise the amount of time your more private parts are exposed and appear intently interested in a piece of wall. I much prefer swimming pools with their own changing cubicles. I'm of the view that my body's a personal thing and i'd rather not expose it to anyone- male or female, in public.

IF we were used to seeing nudity of both genders, it would be normal and thus not cause any fuss about seeing nudity but to get to that point we have to start seeing nudity and thus over come the fuss which would be a really unpleasant phase that not many would want to go through.

I mean during Victorian times, seeing the bare ankle of a lady was the same as watching a stripper these days... but these days ankles are no big deal...hell except for 3 points of reference there is barely *koff koff* any part left that is private.

LetalisK:I would like to think we're all big boys and girls and don't freak out whenever something involving nudity comes up. But then there are the select few special individuals that just ruin it for everyone.

Replace "select few" with "select few million".

As nice as it is to think that our social maturity has evolved to the level that we can have mixed gender showers, the majority of people(or rather, men) still act like asshats about it.

I have little to no regard for the preferences or feelings of others when I have to change around them for whatever reason. I don't tactically undress or cover up. I don't pretend to be interested in inanimate, out-of-the-way objects when I'm not. I do what I've got to do, look where I want to look and get on with my life.

If my counterpart(s) in a changing room (or a shower for that matter) can't do that, well that's a pity for them. Or do I mean, "that's pitiful of them"? I am genuinely not sure. I might be thinking both. Naturally I blame upbringing more than the individual, but it's still your responsibility to deconstruct your upbringing and excise the useless baggage at some point, in my opinion. You're remiss if you're 20-something and you haven't attempted to attack large parts of your programming.

I have only used mixed open plan changing rooms and showers on a few occasions, all during one week spent as part of a group of survivalists doing a course of orienteering and assorted other things on Bodmin Moor (this is more than ten years ago). It caused a lot of bitching and moaning in the event, but I don't think the students that were my peers at the time are particularly good examples of how society would be affected by a wide-scale implementation.

I'm reminded of the shower scene from Starship Troopers, I was very young at that age and at the time it didn't strike me odd at all. Now when I think back I'm getting all these "oh god why?" and "didn't my parents rush to cover my eyes during that scene?".

Back to the thread, nooooooo way! The overwhelming majority of women would absolutely be against such a concept assuming they were weren't brought-up like that (which is almost every woman).

A lot of guys wouldn't really mind but it's women who have the "oh noooo don't look at my body" mindset. Blame upbringing, society/culture, the pressures from media, whatever the reasons may be...the mindset still exists. I mean christ, try asking the typical woman her age (or better, weight!) and you will either offend her, get a blatant lie, or a witty "what do you think?" comeback trap question which you better not answer if you don't want to get decapitated on the spot.

But as others have said, just plain nudity is hardly linked with sexual intentions or urges. Want proof? There are thousands of tribes out there where both women and men wear little or no clothing. In many tribes the breasts aren't considered sexual AT ALL and you don't see the males walking around with boners, because they have been raised in such a way that nudity is just a regular part of life like eating and sleeping.

The whole issue seems to be less about societal issues and more about the economic reasons to reduce the sizes of washing rooms, so it would be reasonable to enforce 'X only' times for those who don't feel comfortable showering with the opposing sex.

I kind of like the idea of breaking the barriers between genders in the manner the OP suggested...buuuuuuuuut I feel like beginning to do it in college or even high school is much too late after all the previous years of mental conditioning in the school system that it probably cause a lot of problems with suddenly introducing it.

UnloadedDevice:After reading the article I started to think that mixed gender bathrooms might not be such a bad thing. It seems like if everybody did it, it would likely bring genders together and reduce gender segregation.

There is this weird sort of stupidity, that can only come from a tertiary education * . Its this strange pretense that if we just talk philosophy long enough & if we can all just pretend just a little longer that the Emperor is not naked, against all odds it'll turn out to be true.

The continued pretense that "i better not point out that the Emperor is naked, lest i admit that i can't see the amazing invisible clothes & i'll reveal i'm not worthy of my position in academia" is just silly, but here we are, with just that situation.

Look folks, we can pretend all we like, but at the end of the day we all know we are actually sexual creatures, both male & female alike: Co-ed showers is just academias most recent pretense to the contrary. The continued pretense that if we all pretend to be to academically enlightened for something as base and animal as sexual lust it'll eventually become true.

We are a visual species, we are not only aroused by the physical appearance of someone (usually) of the opposite sex... We are aroused by drawn images of people of the opposite sex. Now lets put a stop to this nonsense & stop pretending it's otherwise.

* I am refering to the stupidity of academia, its not intended as an insult to you.

LetalisK:I would like to think we're all big boys and girls and don't freak out whenever something involving nudity comes up. But then there are the select few special individuals that just ruin it for everyone.

Replace "select few" with "select few million".

As nice as it is to think that our social maturity has evolved to the level that we can have mixed gender showers, the majority of people(or rather, men) still act like asshats about it.

Especially with the rise of reality shows and "Bro" culture.

A few million out of several billion, is actually not that much of a statistic.

I do love the fave that you quite pointedly say that out of "people" only men would cause problems. Women can't be sexually demeaning as well? I suggest you think back to high school and remember who was spreading the "random guy has a tiny dick" stories. Males aren't the only ones who'd ruin it.

I haven't had an experience with co-ed showers but if the problem is that nudity is associated with sex, so the naked body is sexualised and objectified, then by disassociating nudity by just sex is the logical way to remove (or at least severly reduce) the objectification.

It would be very, very awkward. I'd personally not like it (I can barely piss in public urinals due to my social anxieties) but it could work in theory. The only way I'd use them is if there were curtains present, allowing for communication but not eye contact or any form of viewing.

Considering my shower habits (such as singing the most embarassing songs and using shampoo to make funny hairdos) I'd preffer not to be seen by anyone. But since sometimes you just can't choose, I wouldn't mind coed bathrooms.

MagunBFP:I haven't had an experience with co-ed showers but if the problem is that nudity is associated with sex, so the naked body is sexualised and objectified, then by disassociating nudity by just sex is the logical way to remove (or at least severly reduce) the objectification.

No it won't. What you are referring to as objectification is misnamed... What you are talking about is the biological urge to copulate... Thats not objectification, thats a biological imperative, a survival desire (like seeking out sweet flavoured foods).

LetalisK:I would like to think we're all big boys and girls and don't freak out whenever something involving nudity comes up. But then there are the select few special individuals that just ruin it for everyone.

Replace "select few" with "select few million".

As nice as it is to think that our social maturity has evolved to the level that we can have mixed gender showers, the majority of people(or rather, men) still act like asshats about it.

Especially with the rise of reality shows and "Bro" culture.

A few million out of several billion, is actually not that much of a statistic.

I do love the fave that you quite pointedly say that out of "people" only men would cause problems. Women can't be sexually demeaning as well? I suggest you think back to high school and remember who was spreading the "random guy has a tiny dick" stories. Males aren't the only ones who'd ruin it.

I haven't had an experience with co-ed showers but if the problem is that nudity is associated with sex, so the naked body is sexualised and objectified, then by disassociating nudity by just sex is the logical way to remove (or at least severly reduce) the objectification.

Sorry, it was word association, when I thought of asshats, I immediately thought of some of my classmates(which are guys).

Also, it's nigh impossible to disassociate the naked body with sex; it's hardwired into the brain.

Even if media stopped the constant objectification & sexualisation of the naked body, it would still prove quite hard to control hormones.

Hell, speaking as a guy, I know that my john has "risen to the occasion" at moments in which I didn't want it to, no matter how hard I tried to beat it down.

Yes I think gender neutral bathrooms are a good idea. That said people should still have privacy in these matters. There is a reason for stalls in bathrooms and I wouldn't want to get in the same shower as another group of people. Have these public showers be in stalls too.

I honestly wouldn't care a bit about co-ed showers, but only as long as there is at least a few private shower rooms. Hell, it'd probably be a lot more efficient to clean for the janitors in the building with only one room instead of two for each floor.

Although I do have to say the pervert inside my head is thinking of having a massive, co-ed bathing complex in the middle of campus with both inside and outside portions (winter would be a bitch without it) and no private rooms, so that is an alternative. It'd basically be a water park, but everyone is naked.

asap:Hmm this would probably cause an increase in rape.I mean once women see my body they cant help themselves...

yeah i've often had that problem from female medical practitioners whenever i take off my shirtfact is if ppl are raised around nudity it stops being an issue. throw a bunch of grown adults into a cooed shower together without that sorta upbringing and it will prolly get a bit rapie