Violence never solves anything?

i am reading "Starship Troopers" by Robert A. Heinlein, and i came across the teacher in the beginning of the book Mr. Dubios. He is a teacher in
History and Moral Philosophy or H&MP for short. Anyways the class was on the topic "violence never sloves anything." and the answer that Mr. Dubois
gave got me thinking. heres his answer.

" 'Anyone who clings to the historically untrue - and thoroughly immoral - doctrine that 'violence never solves anything' I would advise to
conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might
well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has setteld more issues in history than has any other factor, and
the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."

It can be true. But cooperation could solve everything too, if we collectively allowed it to. Isn't that what is supposed to seperate us from the
beast, our ability to reason or something like that?...

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
It can be true. But cooperation could solve everything too, if we collectively allowed it to. Isn't that what is supposed to seperate us from the
beast, our ability to reason or something like that?...

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
It can be true. But cooperation could solve everything too, if we collectively allowed it to. Isn't that what is supposed to seperate us from the
beast, our ability to reason or something like that?...

Beating the crap out of somebody can be reasonable in certain cases

Anyway, humans are animals, just like dogs and cats and goats. We need to accept that we are governed by the same rules as all life. The difference
is that we can understand the rules. We can occassionally break them, but the ref always has the last say.

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Isn't that what is supposed to seperate us from the beast, our ability to reason or something like that?...

I dont know, I think animal reason in there own way. Lets take squrels, they decide to run past the big things(cars) It stops when it gets to close
to the car moving at it, the animal will stop to reason what to do, run back? run foward?

Originally posted by Amuk
I think that trying to hard to be something else than the animal we are causes a lot of our cultures problems.

Well, we are different from other animals in a few ways.

Other animals use tools, but not on the scale that we do. Other animals construct shelters, but not on the scale we do. However, the main differing
factor is this:

Animals adapt to their surroundings- we adapt our surroundings to us. There was a proto-human species that used a hand axe (basically a sharp rock)
to butcher food and the like. Fast forward 1 million years- They still used the same damn rocks. They weren't using tools out of intelligence, they
were using them out of instinct.

One million years, and they can't put a rock on the end of a stick.

100 years, we went from a wood and paper airplane that can fly a few hudnred feet to the moon.

That's the difference between humans and animals. Both follow the rules. Humans are the only ones who can figure out the rules, and bend them in
our favor.

As for violence, people have to wake up and realize that the world is not rosy and that nations have a right to defend themselves against attacks.
Terrorists do not break down and cry when you open your arms to them, they'll kill you, and look for the next victim.

this one is so stupid you usually would have to be the president of an ivy league universty to say it. Here's the truth: ineffective, rushed violence
leads to more violence.

lame, panicked, half-assed procedures lead to more violence. however, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never
leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead.

thats right, dead. not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea.

just to make my position crystal clear nothing seperates us from the animals. infact i believe that "animals" are on an extremely higher level of
reincarnation. most humans don't even get to come back, animals do no not need our pittiful languages and rhetoric because they are far above it.

violence is in no way and end to all. does not the lions belly grow hungry again? will not the lion prides disappear before the zebra and
wildabeast?

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