RailWizard wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 11:11:Could be worse, you could live here.

I'd be happy to trade him for you.

You couldn't pay me enough.

@Bhruic, awww, lol

@RailWizard, I think you would like Greece

The money would have to be even higher for european shitholes...and they definitely don't have enough.

I'm happy enough where I am thanks. Seriously, no matter what happens in the world, I can't think of a place I'd rather be short of hollowing out a mountain and becoming Dr. Evil. Mountains are not too far from me as it is anyway. heh.

Beamer wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 09:53:I think the political climate of America has changed pretty drastically over the past year. I'd say Occupy Wall Street was a part of that.

Everyone thought it was stupid, but at the same time look how little anyone trusts Romney's policies and how he'll treat the wealthy vs everyone else. We were headed down that path, anyway, but I'd argue that many people that mocked, and still mock, OWS now agree with the ideals more than they had prior.

It was a stupid, dumb mess, but its point seems to have been heard.

Nothing has changed.(actually not true, it's worse) You guys effectively have 1 party and all of you idiots are going to vote for it.

Who is "you guys." I thought you were American?I mean, it's true, America does basically have 1 party, but...

Beamer wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 09:53:I think the political climate of America has changed pretty drastically over the past year. I'd say Occupy Wall Street was a part of that.

Everyone thought it was stupid, but at the same time look how little anyone trusts Romney's policies and how he'll treat the wealthy vs everyone else. We were headed down that path, anyway, but I'd argue that many people that mocked, and still mock, OWS now agree with the ideals more than they had prior.

It was a stupid, dumb mess, but its point seems to have been heard.

Nothing has changed.(actually not true, it's worse) You guys effectively have 1 party and all of you idiots are going to vote for it.

Who is "you guys." I thought you were American?I mean, it's true, America does basically have 1 party, but...

Not sure why you keep backing away from your posts. When you say "stop doing X and do Y instead", then yes, you are suggesting that you can't do both. If that's not what you intended to say, then I suggest you pick your words better next time.

If you read my prior posts you'll see that I encourage standing up for one's rights on an individual level. Make that your focus when the lines are crossed. Put your time and energy into that, because that's what will get you somewhere.

You'll never do as much on an individual level as you will on a group level. That's why, for example, people join political parties instead of trying to go solo.

Marching down the street and yelling doesn't right the wrongs, it just makes a lot of noise. Look at how effective Occupy Wall Street was.

Well, that's a strawman, as I was never suggesting that marching up and down streets would be righting wrongs.

I've been preaching exactly what you stated above (again, read some of my prior posts). Stand up for your rights and the changes you want and do something about it.

And yet here you are implying that these people shouldn't be having their GaymerCon. And before you say you didn't say that - yes, you didn't, but you agreed with someone who did (post #62).

And you think that's going to help? Whose mind will it change? Like I said, us non-gays get it,and we've already taken our stance. What makes you think "hammering home" is going to make a difference? It sounds like you want to force-feed the idea to people at this point. That's not what this country is about. Do something that's actually effective if you want change.

Of course it's going to help. You apparently don't understand how society changes over time. You don't (with notable exceptions) have a single event that changes society, inertia is too strong. You need to constantly push against it to change it. I mean, you only need look at how much things have changed so far.

Beamer wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 09:53:I think the political climate of America has changed pretty drastically over the past year. I'd say Occupy Wall Street was a part of that.

Everyone thought it was stupid, but at the same time look how little anyone trusts Romney's policies and how he'll treat the wealthy vs everyone else. We were headed down that path, anyway, but I'd argue that many people that mocked, and still mock, OWS now agree with the ideals more than they had prior.

It was a stupid, dumb mess, but its point seems to have been heard.

Nothing has changed.(actually not true, it's worse) You guys effectively have 1 party and all of you idiots are going to vote for it.

Beamer wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 09:41:Jesus Christ. They're having a fucking convention. They're not asking you personally to attend, or to pay for it, or to fucking approve. They're just having it. You're the one that keeps whining about things, then complaining that you're not whining, then complaining that you're perfectly ok with gay people you just don't think they should be allowed to congregate in groups of more than 100 if video games are involved and they want to discuss the fact that they're gay and happy about it.

I'm not sure I can speak completely for RollinThundr but some have taken this thread beyond GaymerCon. I don't see very many people being negative about GaymerCon. Most of the negativity seems to be coming from a general dislike of gays or a dislike / disagreement with their social and political agenda.

I think the political climate of America has changed pretty drastically over the past year. I'd say Occupy Wall Street was a part of that.

Everyone thought it was stupid, but at the same time look how little anyone trusts Romney's policies and how he'll treat the wealthy vs everyone else. We were headed down that path, anyway, but I'd argue that many people that mocked, and still mock, OWS now agree with the ideals more than they had prior.

Bhruic wrote on Oct 3, 2012, 09:30:I wasn't twisting your words, you stated that pointing out that they are different is going to call negative attention to themselves. Which is just another way of stating that people shouldn't call attention to the fact that they are different.

No it's not. I'm saying that it's been said before and the more people have to hear about it, the more they are going to get sick of it. Most of the American people have made up their minds already and the 'loud' aspect of the agenda just creates an annoyance. We get it. You exist. We've formed our opinions on you. You've been recognized -- what else do you want?

You're acting as if these ideas are contradictory. As if you can't both be politically active as well as standing up for yourself.

Your words, not mine. If you read my prior posts you'll see that I encourage standing up for one's rights on an individual level. Make that your focus when the lines are crossed. Put your time and energy into that, because that's what will get you somewhere. Marching down the street and yelling doesn't right the wrongs, it just makes a lot of noise. Look at how effective Occupy Wall Street was.

And, frankly, the fact you keep talking about voting (and ignored the huge section on non-rights issues) just proves you don't get it. You can't legislate opinions. If you want to be treated equally, you have to stand up and demand equality, because if you just sit there passive, people are going to walk over you.

Keep talking about voting? I've been preaching exactly what you stated above (again, read some of my prior posts). Stand up for your rights and the changes you want and do something about it. That's not passive. And legislating opinions? Huh? Of course you can't. Legislation always has logic backing it -- that's not opinion.

Things like gay pride parades and this GaymerCon are a way for LGBT people to stand up and say "we're here, we're not going anywhere, and it's about time you got used to that fact". And considering the resistance to that fact that they get (especially in the US), it's a message that needs to be continually hammered home.

And you think that's going to help? Whose mind will it change? Like I said, us non-gays get it,and we've already taken our stance. What makes you think "hammering home" is going to make a difference? It sounds like you want to force-feed the idea to people at this point. That's not what this country is about. Do something that's actually effective if you want change.

Yep because one very wrong religious extremist speaks for every Christian. Like I said, attacks on religion are ok, unless it's Islam, but if you don't jump up and down for gay rights, you're an evil person.

It wasn't "one very wrong religious extremist," it was a very powerful state politician. You know, an elected official.

And, as Verno said, no one is asking you to jump up and down. Jesus Christ. They're having a fucking convention. They're not asking you personally to attend, or to pay for it, or to fucking approve. They're just having it. You're the one that keeps whining about things, then complaining that you're not whining, then complaining that you're perfectly ok with gay people you just don't think they should be allowed to congregate in groups of more than 100 if video games are involved and they want to discuss the fact that they're gay and happy about it.

And YES religious attacks are ok if it isn't Islam. WE ARE NOT AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY. Fuck, man, this is so hard for you. It isn't hypocrisy, it's wanting to not mock things that you are not. If I sit here and talk about how stupid you are you'd be offended, right? But you probably do something stupid fairly regularly and then chuckle to yourself about how stupid it was. Why is it ok for you to call yourself stupid but not ok for me to?

Because you're you and I'm not, right?So why is it ok for us to bash Christianity and not Islam? Because we're Christian and not Islamic...How is this a hard concept?