To say it did not get on the front page of any newspaper is just nonsense. Of course it did.

And actually it is not that unusual for Bangladesh. Poorly constructed buildings - overcrowded sweat factories - ignoring safety warnings. It did not get a thread because it has become a familiar story and there is no need to discuss why it happened and who did it. We already know when we see the first report.

Which newspaper? Canadian newspaper?

It is not usual for 400+ people do die in one accident even in Bangladesh

05-04-2013 07:45 PM

buddyholly

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

I have to agree with this thread. In Bangladesh, a building collapsed and over 400 people died. Yet it didn't even go on the front page in any newspaper. It did not even get a thread here on MTF, and Boston Bombing got over 5 pages. What, do people think things like that happen in Bangladesh every day, so it's not unusual?

To say it did not get on the front page of any newspaper is just nonsense. Of course it did.

And actually it is not that unusual for Bangladesh. Poorly constructed buildings - overcrowded sweat factories - ignoring safety warnings. It did not get a thread because it has become a familiar story and there is no need to discuss why it happened and who did it. We already know when we see the first report.

05-04-2013 01:07 PM

Unforced Terror

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

I have to agree with this thread. In Bangladesh, a building collapsed and over 400 people died. Yet it didn't even go on the front page in any newspaper. It did not even get a thread here on MTF, and Boston Bombing got over 5 pages. What, do people think things like that happen in Bangladesh every day, so it's not unusual?

04-24-2013 08:35 PM

buddyholly

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

i can believe you it is so when they are reporting about canada's internal affairs. however i am sceptical about your claim when canada's foreign affairs are the issue of reporting.

can you describe (or give examples) what is exactly the difference between "left wing" cbc (acronym?) and "conservative" government?

Today's newspaper has an article on one of their reporters who has received her fourth warning in 3 years for inaccurately reporting events in Israel and Palestine. She is not fired, just slapped on the wrist.

My post says that CBC is Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It is funded by the government.

04-24-2013 07:40 PM

ssin

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

"solid institutions", "rule of law", "separation of powers"... give me a break! i not impressed with sweet words. do you seriously think that voters REALLY decide about anything substantial?
democracy (with or without quotation marks) is a deception.

democracy is a concept which doesn't exist in perfect form, but history teaches us that it's for the best to try to achieve at least some degree of that concept in practice. We have seen the alternatives and they end in personality cults, abuse of power and violence.

You should first look at the local, municipal levels to see how it goes and than tell me that your opinion doesn't count. The bigger the system the harder it is to determine your individual influence and there are more chances for manipulation but it doesn't mean your opinion is irrelevant.

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do you consider integrity a doubtful, outdated concept in your everyday real life?

Be more specific and I'll try to answer, since I very much value my personal integrity but I'm not sure what you mean.

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why would one (anonymous) person's opinion be decisive about my views on putin?

maybe because some people unlike you have more direct, first-hand experiences about that question? It's never a bad thing to hear other people. Also, people can change their minds dear zeleni. I know I can change mine so I keep some healthy distance all the time when discussing politics.

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i am very suspicious about your tendency do use extensive personifications. smells like pliability for manipulation.

I'm not sure I understand your point but I never wanted to proclaim any politician "a great wise leader", "father of the nation" etc, they did it themselves together with their minions.

If there is a personality cult being built around a person and the person apparently doesn't mind it, I'll take it as it is. Thus the descriptions like "Putin's Russia", "Putin's media" etc are in place, but not because I invented that or have some evil agenda.

04-24-2013 03:15 PM

zeleni

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

It's not about faces it's about solid institutions, rule of law and separation of powers. It's easy to say but it really takes time to build that and I believe we in Serbia will build all that eventually and "democracy" will become democracy.

"solid institutions", "rule of law", "separation of powers"... give me a break! i not impressed with sweet words. do you seriously think that voters REALLY decide about anything substantial?
democracy (with or without quotation marks) is a deception.

Well, you agree that RT is forced to broadcast what the Russian governments wants it to broadcast.
But the difference is that the government funded Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is decidedly left wing, while the government itself is Conservative.

i can believe you it is so when they are reporting about canada's internal affairs. however i am sceptical about your claim when canada's foreign affairs are the issue of reporting.

can you describe (or give examples) what is exactly the difference between "left wing" cbc (acronym?) and "conservative" government?

04-24-2013 02:33 PM

ssin

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

good for you. tv should be watched restrictively and only with a good cause.
(do you watch tennis only on internet?)

yes, just the Internet

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do you think it is better to rotate random faces with the same political program? i think that is just a way to keep people in delusion about "democracy".

It's not about faces it's about solid institutions, rule of law and separation of powers. It's easy to say but it really takes time to build that and I believe we in Serbia will build all that eventually and "democracy" will become democracy.

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in contemporary anti-russian narrative, putin is just a personification for russian sovereignity.

Sovereignity is doubtful concept in today's world, but Russia does remain a powerful country and I can't see anything bad about that. I like Russia and Russian culture.

But maybe we should ask Russians here on MTF for their opinions about Putin and other things? Start with AnnaK_4ever he/she seems to be from Russia.

I am very suspicious about powerful populist leaders. One Milosevic is enough for me in my lifetime. Thanks, but no thanks.

04-24-2013 02:31 PM

buddyholly

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

rt is state-funded tv network like bbc news, radio free europe, voice of america, deutsche welle,... of course it is made to support views of its founder country... calling it "pro-putin" is a clear attempt of defamation (as putin is among the most demonised persons alive in western mainstream media)..

Well, you agree that RT is forced to broadcast what the Russian governments wants it to broadcast.
But the difference is that the government funded Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is decidedly left wing, while the government itself is Conservative.

04-24-2013 02:20 PM

zeleni

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

I don't have a slightest thing against RT and its existence is welcome as far as I'm concerned, and I agree that it can be useful as a source of information. Also, all the tv networks that you mention certainly reflect the views of their governments. I don't watch TV at all though.

good for you. tv should be watched restrictively and only with a good cause.
(do you watch tennis only on internet?)

As for Putin I guess he is ok for Russia at this moment, it takes decades to establish sound democratic institutions as we well know in Serbia. But I don't welcome the fact that such amount of power should be vested in one person only, regardless of how much that person is popular. Russians are lucky that Putin seems to be more or less balanced character, otherwise it would spell disaster for Russia and Russians. The way it is now it's not a disaster, it's just BAD.

do you think it is better to rotate random faces with the same political program? i think that is just a way to keep people in delusion about "democracy".

When they lie about stuff you know, then they are probably lying about the Middle East.

CNN and BBC are not that much better unfortunately. Speaking from my own experience, about places and things I can see with my own eyes.

For example, the mainstream Western media ignored for months huge protests against Milosevic in Belgrade in 1996. The protest went each day. Why - because Milosevic was considered at that particular time "the stability factor in the Balkans" by the West.

It was sad, really, and then I lost all respect for CNN, BBC etc. So, during the Kosovo campaign, when I was a soldier btw (but not deployed in Kosovo), it was not a surprise they acted as propaganda machines in purest sense of the word. It is as it is, we can choose to think about it what we want. I chose not to watch TV any more, luckily there's the internet and multiple independent sources that I can refer to.

04-24-2013 01:49 PM

buddyholly

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

To my liking? Elaborate on such an outlandish claim. Your ignorance is beginning to irritate me. If you don't want to have a civil exchange of dialogue, then just stop replying to me. Your accusations are getting bothersome. Having used to watch the mainstream news here in Australia, they very rarely covered Middle Eastern conflicts. This is a fact. RT provides the most objective source out there. If you're not okay with that, then I don't know what to say.

RT gives a lot of time to the Middle East because it gives them opportunity to rant against the US and Israel. But I would not call it objective by any means. When they lie about stuff you know, then they are probably lying about the Middle East.

For instance, they were trumpeting "Dozens Killed in Texas Blast'', long after everyone else knew that the death toll was 14

Didn't see their reaction to the fake tweet on the White House bombing, but am sure it was fleetingly exciting for their viewers.

04-24-2013 01:41 PM

ssin

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

rt is state-funded tv network like bbc news, radio free europe, voice of america, deutsche welle,... of course it is made to support views of its founder country... calling it "pro-putin" is a clear attempt of defamation (as putin is among the most demonised persons alive in western mainstream media).

i think that for english-speaking tv-consumer rt is very valuable as view from different angle because all other news networks are (more or less) leaning on the same side.

I don't have a slightest thing against RT and its existence is welcome as far as I'm concerned, and I agree that it can be useful as a source of information. Also, all the tv networks that you mention certainly reflect the views of their governments. I don't watch TV at all though.

As for Putin I guess he is ok for Russia at this moment, it takes decades to establish sound democratic institutions as we well know in Serbia. But I don't welcome the fact that such amount of power should be vested in one person only, regardless of how much that person is popular. Russians are lucky that Putin seems to be more or less balanced character, otherwise it would spell disaster for Russia and Russians. The way it is now it's not a disaster, it's just BAD.

Maybe I should have said "RT reflects views of the Russian government", but unfortunately Mr. Putin seems to be bigger than the Russian government these days, and it's not my fault

04-24-2013 01:26 PM

zeleni

Re: Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?

rt is state-funded tv network like bbc news, radio free europe, voice of america, deutsche welle,... of course it is made to support views of its founder country... calling it "pro-putin" is a clear attempt of defamation (as putin is among the most demonised persons alive in western mainstream media).

i think that for english-speaking tv-consumer rt is very valuable as view from different angle because all other news networks are (more or less) leaning on the same side.

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