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Sunday, 1 May 2011

Let us debate the proclaimed right of a person to do a sumpah laknat or mubahalah. The PM says anyone has that right. It's dangerously becoming an everyday occurrence that the somberness and the solemnity that go along with that conduct seem to be lost. Any Tom Dick and Harry can do the sumpah laknat

It's the arrogance of human beings thinking that God's retribution does not come immediately which encouraged some people to carry out sumpah laknats. It's the jom heboh of religious trial by ordeal.

Yes, everyone has the right to do a sumpah laknat. It's a special oath taking affirming one's innocence or guilt by beseeching god to deliver instant punishment. Yes, everyone can do a sumpah laknat especially if doing that involves Anwar Ibrahim and slows down the declining fortunes of UMNO.

What if RPK does the same thing- he does a sumpah laknat somewhere in Regents Park Mosque in London or some mosque in Patani? It's equally right and capable of producing the same conclusions. That the object of that sumpah laknat has actually done what is prayed for. What if P Bala converts to Islam and carries out a sumpah laknat. Then he invokes god and says Rosmah was present as the grisly scene. What then?

They can't, not because they don't have the same rights- but they must fulfill some conditions precedent. If we demand these requirements in hypothetical situations involving RPK and PI Bala, then the same mandatory requirements must be accorded to the accused in this case.

The whole mess we are in at the moment is because we take up and crusade on a moral issue. We are then caught up in our own moral morass. The BN people are gunning for Anwar's morality when they are themselves soiled. We must come with clean hands or not come at all. I am sure these 3 people behind the smut filming have serious moral issues not unearthed yet or not interesting to other people to be worth their effort.

Can Najib himself trust these 3 fellows? If they can do it to Anwar, they can one day do it to Najib himself. There is much dirt and money to be made digging up the PM's own morality issues.

We are in full agreement that everyone has that right- but it must be done in accordance to the rules laid down by Islamic law. It's not done and never done in a circus like atmosphere like the one we were told done by Dato Eskay. He was flanked by the two clowns. One an UMNO MKT member, the other a Perkasa reject.

There must be some conditions precedent. This sumpah laknat is not a trivial matter. The requirements are absolutely strict. Consider the requirement of 4 witnesses. Rahim and Shuib Lazim are not witnesses. They are more like accomplices.

Did Eskay bring with him 4 righteous witnesses? Were Rahim and Shuib Lazim present during the filming of the video? If Eskay swears that it was him who made the film, the police should not wait any moment longer. If making a smut film is a punishable offense, arrest him.

When they showed the film to reporters and private viewers did they commit a crime? I am not sure about this. They said they have not distributed the film and therefore haven't committed the offense of distributing pornographic material. They can be caught out on the offense of making the film and showing it. But they say they are willing to suffer the consequences. This is because their aim was never to distribute the film.

Their aim was to expose Anwar's moralities and to show the world that Anwar is an immoral person. In order to show that to the world, they had to show the video.

Now that's a catch 22 situation. How do you prove that Anwar is a bugger and an immoral person? You have to show evidence in the form of a film. The film will of course be subject to intense credibility challenge. That challenge is done in a court of law- so far there is none. So why is Eskay jumping the gun and doing the sumpah laknat?

You see, the real objective of the whole thing is politics. Politics is judged in a general election. That's a tricky situation. Najib knows he needs more time for the voting public to buy this story about Anwar. My thinking is that the GE is not going to be held this year? The hooray for our side boys didn't see how dangerous the situation was for BN in the recently concluded Sarawak elections. The DAP sapu-ed almost all urban seats making the call by the PM for the Chinese to choose BN a futile academic exercise. But the more dangerous thing is this: Anwar with all the problems he has, can win 3 seats? That's sending shivers down the spine of Najib which nowadays is becoming increasingly difficult to locate.

Some modern Islamic jurists say a video or films are good substitutes for 4 upright witnesses. In my mind videos or films lack the important ingredient of being alive and imbued with righteous qualities demanded. A film or video is a technical thing subject to manipulation and is unreliable. They are inanimate objects and if conferred with living attributes, that can become ungodly or shirik. They are the products of living persons which therefore require the persons involved in filming and making the video having the necessary moral attributes. If its Eskay or Rahim doing the film, the accusation lacks integrity. Any judge will throw their submissions out.

There must be a full court case first preceding a sumpah laknat. Arguments must have been exhausted such that an impasse is reached. The judge is at wits end. The only choice opened is to invoke God. It's a form of religious trial by ordeal rarely done and sanctioned by rational judges.

We want to finish off Anwar, let's do it using the right methods. Our Islamic judges were deafeningly silent when Saiful took the oath. He did it before any court case and did not produce 4 witnesses. If after the present court case, Saiful takes the oath; his conduct would be more credible. He did it before any court case and before all legal debates is exhausted. Islamic experts said nothing of that.

Why do you insist on procedural matters and the requirement of righteous witnesses? Because that's what Islam demands and the requirements are strict. Because Islam sees accusing a person of serious moral misconduct as something serious.

Was there a court case involving the allegations about Anwar as represented by the Dato T Trio? No, right? This is a requirement in the dispensation of Islamic law- you do a sumpah laknat after the full legal debates are exhausted. Once that point is reached, then the two legal combatants are called before a Sharia court judge to utter their sumpah laknats. The accuser has to produce 4 upright witnesses to support his accusation. If he can't, then the value of his sumpah laknat is nil.

This is not a defence of Anwar. I have said that many times. The last time, a smart alec from the Star newspaper asked me, in a sweet taste of premature victory manner, now how would you defend Anwar? So to humor that fellow, I wrote an article on that.

I have not seen the further installations of the Anwar tape. From the tape I saw on the web, since when does Anwar spot a crew cut style hairdo? The person looked more like a Siamese actor and anything to do with things Siamese, Eskay should be an expert. One of his parents is Siamese and the other Indian. Is he Malay in the first place? What are his Islamic credentials?

Thanks for giving clarication on the much publicised SUMPAH. What irks us all is the fact that muslims can allow the Mosque and its holy book to be defiled by muslims with questionable moral background and in the name of the Muslim God.

All other religious leaders have warned of the path taken by the government in allowing free for all display of immoral activities by immoral mortals.

How can muslims justify their religion being better if not equal to others?

The sex video doesn't feature Anwar. Everybody knows that including the Police. But the police is an acolyte of Umno. Umno says don't divulge who the porn actor is, the police subserviently follows suit. The idea is to keep peddling the suspicions amongst stupid malays that the porn star is Anwar. Umno's target group are the rural malays. So the sumpah laknat is to reinforce that spinning. Sumpah laknat or not Eskay is more interested in his RM20million suit. I don't think he knows what it means. Eskay is just following Rahim's instruction...and Rahim's possibly just follows Rosmah's.

Gani Paatail will charge the 3 stooges for an offence u/d s.292 Penal code for publicly exhibiting or for possession of that obscene sex video. They will plead guilty and a fine is imposed. In mitigation, they will repeat their allegations that their act was done for national interest since it involved Anwar. Both prosecutor and police will never divulged who the real actors are on the excuse that it is irrelevant to the charge. Umno's paper/TV will then keep spinning that the porn actor is Anwar based on the sumpah laknat and the 3 stooges mitigation in court.

This will keep the lingering suspicions amongst rural malays that Anwar was the man featured in the tape, as peddled by Umno. That is the Umno's agenda, ably assisted by the police and Gani patail for political purposes.

In order to push their political agenda, these people have resorted to morality – to show how immoral Anwar was, or is – and they have even invoked the name of God. It is indeed a desperate move, and a dangerous one, too, that religion is dragged into politics.

Those three chaps should be the last to talk about morality. People can see how soiled they are. Like they say in law, if you go to court to seek justice, you must go with clean hands. Their hands are filthy in the eyes of both man and God.

But what is the stand of the Police and the PM? There is already no doubt that these 3 have committed certain crimes by making and exhibiting a sex video, whoever might be the “actor”. On this alone - they have not denied what they have done; indeed they have boasted about the “valiant” act - so why are the Police not taking action immediately? This shows partiality. Does the Constitution not promise equality before the law? When such an important institution of government takes what is clearly a politically motivated stand, Malaysians have valid reasons to worry. It means if we do not play ball with those in political power, we are not entitled to the protection of the law.

As for the PM, we should also worry that he has remained silent on such important issues of morality and legality. We can understand that he wants to destroy his political enemies. But he must do so within the laws of the country, and within accepted moral mores. You cannot use unacceptable means. Even in war there are accepted rules of engagement, so in the most bestial act of mankind there are rules of legality and morality, e.g. no killing of unarmed civilians, no rape and pillage, and no use of certain arms and munitions. But in Malaysia, our political wars are of the “no holds barred” type, tolerated by the PM himself. This is not acceptable. It will bring us to a moral low. Any political victory will be a hollow one. The winner destroys the moral foundations to succeed. All Malaysians will be the real losers.

Nicely put. As much as I wanted to criticise constructively on this piece, I couldn't. It has no flaws. Instead, I'm in awe. Well done! p/s : The arrogance of man is always a precursor for the fall of an era - anonymous

Let God be the judge if a person is immoral. If you are pointing your 1 finger at another, your four fingers are pointing at you. Do you think God will forgive you for setting up this immoral video and still have the guts to ask people to swear in the name of God. Who is the dirtiest?

Leaving the terrible Trio aside for the moment, isn't it un-Islamic to drag God (pbuh) into this mess? And why didn't the National Islamic Council put a stop to all these sumpah laknat which is getting way out of hand. I sense that those who have to-date performed the sumpah laknat (eg Saiful, Umi, Eskay) are following in the footsteps of the PM as it appears to these people that the sumpah laknat will make their claims more believable. But to whom? Most people I have spoken to are laughing their heads off at these "suddenly religious people (srp)" performing the sumpah laknat but the sad thing is these srp fellas have destroyed the sanctity of the mosque, sumpah laknat and Islam.

i'm sure you looked at the video 100 times already. it's very obvious that you hate anwar. so no matter what people say especially negative elements on anwar you will believe. remember this, look at him, he NEVER EVER had any crew cut style since those days...also his hair is not white...it has always been black (maybe dyed all the time)...so shut your yap and don't talk so much...most of the readers here are umno people who regret that the party's direction has gone towards someone's penis or ass...

"Do you think someone will treat this 'sumpah' thing as a joke?" Anon 17.38.

Heh, heh, Heh! Which well or stone are you living in/under Anon? According to Maha Firaun, the Malay vote is split 3 ways and with KITA and MCLM, perhaps it will be 5 ways. Then there are all the nons, including those in Sabah and Sarawak whom you think don't exist but whose vote is what is keeping UMNO/BN alive.

You think they give too hoots about swearing? Dream on!

But Sak, "What are his Islamic credentials?" That's a curious question indeed!

And why didn't the National Islamic Council put a stop to all these sumpah laknat which is getting way out of hand...? Anon 17.22

Who is superior UMNO or the NIC. If course UMNO makes religious edicts all all oblige. Najib says its OK and who is NIC to say no.That is why the trio were given life jackets, police protection and an Imam to boot on a holy ground.On matters of Islamic doctrine UMNO has to final says.Now this is the reality.

The man in the video is definitely NOT Anwar Ibrahim. The face may resemble Anwar but the body is definitely not his. His wife, children, otopedic doctors and close friends can easily verify this in court. His wife herself Wan Azizah verified this at yesterday's press questionning by RTM and Astro Awani 'wallahi it's not Anwar' and she does not have to do a 'lian' or 'sumpah laknat' when it's clearly physically not the body of her husband.

If we remember the old TV series 'Mission Impossible'; it is easy to have an impersonator acting as another person in physical attributes, mannerism and voice.

Hence a video can only be used as collaborating evidence in support of other stronger evidence like witnesses, alibis etc.

In Islam, there must be 4 witnesses; otherwise the accuser is guilty of fitnah. Besides, sumpah laknat is only for spouses who accuses the other but does not have the required 4 witnesses. If both the spouse proclaimed the sumpah laknat, the syariah judge may dissolve the marriage with the question of guilt legally undecided (An-Nur; 6-8).

SAK,Look like this sumpah thing is a joke from this three loonies!Like they say Islam is a great religion but its the people that is bad.We now see this in this act from the three datuks.Why the silence from the learned ulamas? Were they mute or dumbstruck ?Looks like anything can do for these guys with the blessings from higher up of umno!

Dear Dato,I think most Malaysians know that the Anwar sex video thing is a political distraction plan by his enemies.This sumpah laknat is a political joke which is sure to backfire on these clowns and their political backers.We know that they were provided security when they first show the viewing of the sex tape and then again at the mosque when this joker did his sumpah laknat.The polital warlords behind these three clowns with their huge war chest sure could afford to hire someone with a little bit of brains to be thier strategeist.Who need these this clowns to do the sumpat laknat?With the AG and PDRM at their disposal and the amount of time spent and they still cannot prove that Anwar is the guy,then something sure is very wrong.Who ever behind this better migrate to some third world country,if they are accepted,because if UMNO were to lose GE 13th because of this blunder their hide is for the taking.Aside from his baggage DS Najib could have been a good PM if he had loyal people around him.All he had around him was disloyalI f Najib crazy power hungry clowns who goes around sabotaging the plans he wish to implement.Najib was loyal to Abdullah Badawi till the very end.In the end he had no choice but to offer himself as a candidate.If Najib doesn't start handind out pink slips soon GE 13th is his to lose.Anwar has made many costly blunders too.Zaid Ibrahim lossing the Ulu Selangor by elections,the Sabah PKR leadership issue twice and the PKR presidential elections,ending in ZI leaving PKR all because of his blue eye boy,internal sabotaging and his poor leadership for reasons known to him.So long for now.Best regards.

Anon 20:42 said, " Any Tom, Dick or Harry can do the sumpah laknat. BUT not every Tom, Dick or Harry dare do it."

Eskay just did it what. Whether he did it for his RM20million suit or out of national duty, only he knows. But he is a confessed pimp and only he knows what other sins he has committed. He must be thinking like this: ' after all the sins that I had committed, what's wrong committing another one ie sumpah laknat as long as I can win my RM20million case'. Who knows. Only an idiot would do a sumpah laknat when everyoone knows that the police had investigated the case and had identified who the porn actor is. If it is Anwar, I'm sure the police would have revealed this bf the Sarawak GE.

Why, police acolyte of Umno refused to disclose who the porn actor is? Any takers?

Its obvious that UMNO is behind this three stooges and the sex video. Who has the political power to provide police protection and immunity against prosecution to the three stooges plus allowing the three stooges to continue with their nonsense? Who has the political power to shut up the ulamaks and the royalty for not speaking out against the blatant abuse of the sumpah laknat?

The deputy IGP had already proclaimed the police know the identity of the male in the sex video so why don't the police or the AG revealed the identity of the male and close this matter once and for all. If the male is proven to be Anwar, then let the Islamic syariah court and the likes of JAKIM take action against Anwar. Why prolong this matter unless UMNO thinks there is great political mileage to be gained in continuing with this sex video fiasco?

Majority of Malaysians are getting fed up with the political games played by UMNO. The PM has himself to be blamed for allowing this fiasco to happen and to continue. A true leader will have directed his home minister to take immediate actions against the three stooges and those involved for breaking the laws concerning porn material. Oh I forgot, those responsible for this fiasco are the ruling UMNO itself so how can the police and AG prosecute their own masters????

Dato'I am sorry to say that one day Najib, his family and his future generation will have to pay for his misdeed and they are the one that will suffer.What a sad day to the once well respected Razak the former PM of Malaysia.Remember GOD acts in a mysterious way!May be 'coz of this that will be the end of UMNO!

This Eskay is close to all top people in cabinets due to his specialty as tukang urut siam. Tun M has given acres of land for forest plantation in Kedah. He smuggled in goats and cattles from Myanmar that caused the spread of FMD but got scots free.

Will the non muslims stay out of this?They should and watch the show from the sideline. Afterall, it is muslim vs muslim in their mosque and in the name of their muslim god. However, they forgot that it is their duty to preach and uphold the high value of Islam to the non muslim so that some may one day embrace Islam.

So, if you are offended by some comments from non muslim which are sincere, you are not doing justice to your own religion.

u got it all wrong abt sumpah laknat. your fear of sumpah laknat is one sided. quoting ur own example, if PI Bala converted and do the sumpah laknat as what u've mentioned then Datin Rosmah shud do sumpah laknat to state her innocentness. and after that both of them shud keep quite and wait for devine's punishment. rest assured that the god is most fair.

but if their case are being tried then that's another separate matter. they'll be judged and punished by human law. regardless of their innocentness.

The very purpose of releasing the video is to let the public know that the actor is/is not Anwar. Since that has been done with the support of the top leader, let the public judge for themselves.

So, why sumpah here and there? It only bring bad image to your holy place. May the moderate and religious UMNO members and non-members stand up to be counted.

If such practice is allowed to continue esp. by top leaders, very soon all sex related cases will betaken to your holy place for sumpah. 1Malaysia will soon be well known globally as the only country in the world to have such practice in the mosque.

Do you malays/muslims feel proud of that? If yes, continue!! If not, demand a stop to it!!

Why anwar needs to mengelabah and act in arrogant everytime reporters asked him about DNA, Omega Watch, sumpah laknat and so forth if he thinks he is innocent?

If he thinks he is not the man in the video, just show to the public the Omega watch in question. Its just beyond my comprehension what is so difficult about that. If he is really innocent, why the need to create excuses and i just pity his family had to go along with his act.

This anwar is a great liar, he can talk about taking over the government and sweet lied the rakyat with his 16th September 2009 takeover date. He can make up stories about najib-altantuya and boast around in his campaign. He talked about corruption when in reality he is the most corrupted and cronyism is the order of the day during his tenure as DPM.

All the lousy things he has done during his tenure does not help the malays and sadly some chose to defend and support him. You can playback all these in the form of videos, speeches, action and real life of his unbecoming behaviors. GOD has displayed anwar's character in front of you only some of you fail or don't want to realise it.

Some of the reasons in defend of anwar in regards to the video are just ridiculous referring to his hairdo, tummy, body builds, using double, only siamese act as such and so forth.

There is a saying that goes "you can fooled all the people sometimes but you cannot fooled all the people all the times" but here i think "some the people liked to be fooled all the times".

Tak payahlah menegakkan benang basah woi Anu-war dan para pemujanya.Amboi bila tang dia tu, banyaklah you all punya dalil tu dan dalil ni.Tapi kalau Eskay ke, Najib ke, Saiful ke, jika tak nak bersumpah laknat, lainlah pulak dalilnya, ya tak?That video 1 and 2 are the I Got You or the Aha, it's Anwar moments. Just accept the truth.Don't have to justify anything like his crew or crook cut. Or the color of his hair which came from a bottle.All these can be faked. But mannerisms, behaviors, stance, gestures have betrayed him. He's the one.Orang kampungpun dah sahkah dan percaya. Kita sajalah yang bijak-pandai, nak kanen sini sana.Berani kerana benar, takut kerana salah.Tunjukkan jam Oh-Mega, DNA sample, sumpah laknat dan take a polygraph test. Easy-peasy. Case closed.Why do you go round lambasting reprters when they asked you to do all those things?That is a dead give-away of your guilt. And the funny thing is you brought their attention to Asri's fatwa on the sumpah laknat.Hello, Asri and Husam, in reply wanted you to sumpah laknat. So do it.Yes, Eskay has political motive and admitted it. But he bravely did the swearing on the Quran to prove the videos are authentic.Anu-war too had the same politically motive by accusing Najib in the Mongolian woman's case. Swiftly Najib swore the truth because he is innocent.You guys are just like those who did not believe that Osama is dead.Even if the photos of Osama is released, they will still not be persuaded.The same it is with you.P.S. Sak is playing devil's advocate and some of you fail to see it.

Anwar might have sounded arrogant to a few who chose to be offended, but I think it was fair considering the manner those "questions" were put to him, akin to public grilling. He had in his full rights the choice to either entertain those or not. Don't you think the reporters were being equally arrogant? Considering the fact that Anwar has not yet been called to answer the same in an appropriate legal forum? What more with his lack of confidence, nor trusts, that his answers would be objectively reported by the said reporting media company. I do not see any "gelabah" in his demeanor. Again I think you have chosen to see things through your orchid-tainted glasses (this is slight variation to rose-tainted glasses).

It had often been said, (no, drummed up) that Anwar is/was:1) pengkhianat bangsa melayu2) tipu melayu3) corrupt (during his tenure)

...and you have just iterated them again. Care to elaborate? Or you are just playing perception game hoping all readers would bite hook-line-and-sinker at all your unsubstantiated "accusations". You sure you don't have any monetary interests in all these political charade, ah? Like having a close relative trying hard to climb the UMNO corporate ladder?

Tok SakI always thought that Rahim Tambi-Dia-Kecik was the ring leader. Why is Eskay leading the charge nowadays?My assumption is that RTC has credibility and low moral standing in the eyes of the rakyat. Is Eskay any better? After his 'sumpah', I think he is looked down more like dirt and idiot. Shuib 'Who?' Lazim will make a better spokeperson as his moral background is less well known-giving more credibility to a poorly cooked up plot. I mean, a lesser known idiot that the other 2. Otoote

Sumpah laknat taken in a mosque or outside the Shariah Court is not in accordance with the provision of the Islamic Jurisprudence according to many ulamak. More so the practice is not even a norm amongst other Islamic nations of the world. Maybe it is just a myth of some primitive people How then we can believe a man taking an oath and holding and kissing the Quran upside down is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It is void of counter cross examination on the facts being pronounced. It defies all logic and reasons.One Hadith narrated as followsThe Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Do you know what backbiting is?" They said, "Allah and His Messenger know best." He then said, "It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike." Someone asked him, "But what if what I say is true?" The Messenger of Allah said, "If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him." (Muslim)

On the video thing I have this to say-. When we make the verdict are we free from prejudices.

A fox should not be of the jury at a goose's trial. Thomas Fuller

The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour on it, the more it will contract. Oliver Wendell Holmes

Prejudices are what fools use for reason. Voltaire

Man associates ideas not according to logic or verifiable exactitude, but according to his pleasure and interests. It is for this reason that most truths are nothing but prejudices. Remy De GourmontHe that is possessed with a prejudice is possessed with a devil, and one of the worst kinds of devils, for it shuts out the truth, and often leads to ruinous error. Tryon EdwardsBeware prejudices. They are like rats, and men's minds are like traps; prejudices get in easily, but it is doubtful if they ever get out. Lord Jeffrey