Hey, I was just thumbing through my Piranas collection and was staring at Ulrich. Then i fought a battle against a person playing Nightmare. Remind me again why the only dr in Piranas is perma banned, while Nightmare has three unbanned dr? Sure not many people would use two of them in ELO, but they still exist as options. I'm not bitching, I'm just curious, as it occurs to me I never really knew the original argument.

Ratanah is slightly OP in my opinion, but I digress. Ulrich is in the same boat as Arno, Yookie, Arkn, Lea etc. in that these cards aren't extremely overpowered like other bans (Shakra, Emeth, Shann, Spyke etc.) but are essential in building certain decks. These bans limit the utility of the clans they belong to. Nightmare was never a solid mono option to begin with, but it's great with half decks even with the utility ban of Azel. On the same page, Piranas were easy as heck to play with in mono when Ulrich was free, but now it takes a bit of skill considering you lack DR. There's also an option to splash a DR like Uranus or Spiaghi, but you lose some power on support cards. Good tradeoff to weaken an overpowered and abused clan.

I'm not sure but here is why I think he's banned: Piranas are a heavy pill manipulation clan which enables them to win 3 rounds out of 4. Now if you consider that you win 3 rounds and DR one you pretty much have a guaranteed win.

I don't agree. Against clans like FPC La JuntaSkeelzFreaks etc there is too much of a power deficit. Many times Piranas are left helpless against cards like OnghDorianBeeboyMichael where a DR is the only answer Piranas don't have any. Not only that the clan is also devoid of a solid non-conditional SOA.

I agree that Pirana sorely lack SoA (Confidence and Courage on mediocre cards and a pathetic 2* don't count), but pointing to strong cards from other clans is the wrong way to go about showing why a DR is needed. Pirana are about controlling pillz. Imagine it as a more proactive form of DR, where instead of letting them 2-pill a win and get 1 damage past in a round you played Andsom or Sheryl and in the next round they no longer have enough pillz to stop your Lizbeth from KOing.

Piranas getting a DR would be useful, and would foster more play with them alike to with other clans (olding etc.). Needing? That's too much, and assumes that every clan and round is played the same way.

The Pirana bonus neuters a lot of clans and strategies. I think it's more than enough of a positive to balance out the slight ability/stat differences (ignoring how Pirana has some really excellent abilities), which are all completely subjective anyway due to the random nature of each hand. It's not even possible to say that La Junta are better than Pirana when the difference of one card often turns the game one way or the other (often for me that is them having Raven or me having Lizbeth).

If anything, all your direct impractical comparisons prove is that La Junta has too much available to them. Give Raven or Milena a DT minus like Bonnie Ld, because if an opponent has both it's like dodging landmines to just not lose, even with SoB removing Raven's OHKOability.

The problem with giving Piranas/Nightmare an SoA or giving GHEIST/Roots a SoB is that they become an "All-Stop" this is arguably the best ability and bonus combination available (except maybe Support: Attack + 5 and -12 Opp. Attack, Min. and cards like this are inherently good (Glorf, Leviatonn) or plain out broken (Shakra) because they force the opponent to save their cards with high base power, and they can punish playing an otherwise good card like Tula, or Oscar. I think Buba is perfectly balanced, no need for another broken All-Stop.

Piranas do not need a DR IMO, in fact I would love for them to never get another DR ever. Sorry Piranas fans.

I agree that the Piranas need at least one unbanned DR card. Maybe something like 4/3, -3 Damage min. 3? The actual stats don't matter as long as they're low, but I feel like a DR min of 3 should help to not make the Pirana DR too overpowered.

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