AMS OPERATIONAL AWARDS NO 30 - 7 MARCH 08

Clanker

I would like to congratulate the following officers and soldier on their recent OP awards, especially Pte Main RAMC, the only one to gain a gallantry award, for her various gallant actions in Iraq and well deserved.

LE

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LE

not entirely true is it? I have NATO and UN gongs which are non-British, others I know wear US Bronze Stars, I think comment should have been made to clarify the fact that wearing non-British gongs and double gonging can be done if Liz gives the nod, however getting the 2 gallantry medals for the same deed! it would be the same if the Afghan govt wanted to give him a piece of tin for it as well, 3 medals for the same deed!
He will get the NATO one, why not get it framed with the citation and stick it on his wall.

We are not the septics who dish medals out like sweets, double gonging with non-Brit medals may be seen as devaluing the British award and possibly the deed.

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Old-Salt

Perhaps those commanders on the ground could pay a little more attention to what the dismounts get up to and write up the deeds of troops a little more often, if they actually get any eyes on these days that is...and why not, others do.

LE

not entirely true is it? I have NATO and UN gongs which are non-British, others I know wear US Bronze Stars, I think comment should have been made to clarify the fact that wearing non-British gongs and double gonging can be done if Liz gives the nod, however getting the 2 gallantry medals for the same deed! it would be the same if the Afghan govt wanted to give him a piece of tin for it as well, 3 medals for the same deed!
He will get the NATO one, why not get it framed with the citation and stick it on his wall.

We are not the septics who dish medals out like sweets, double gonging with non-Brit medals may be seen as devaluing the British award and possibly the deed.

The first quote is rubbish about not being allowed to wear non British awards, as long as you have permission by Her Maj you can wear it, thats been in force for years. The qoute about double awards is wrong as well, yes it is true that you can't wear the likes of the ISAF medal because you get the OSM but you are allowed to wear two awards for the same deed, this would happen a lot in WW2 especially with the French Croix de Guerre, I know for a fact that Maj John Howard got both the DSO and Croix de Guerre for his leadership at Pegasus Bridge and wore them both with permission, I know becuase I have seen them.

I wonder if the comment is made by the CO without actually researching it

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LE

does that include the civvie at AMD who gets first sight of all nominations and says 'dont bother it wont get past the SG'? cynical? me?

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LE

Filbert you old cynic our Corps has a splendid record of honours and awards especially for soldier ranks we were unlucky on this occasion but wait for the new years honours, It will be packed with DMS soldiers just like last year.

Methinks you are slightly confused about the route that honours applications follow; the only awards that flow routinely through AMD are NY & QB nominations for the ARRC/RRC and nominations for OStJ. The administrative and not the functional (medical) chain is followed for other awards.

I think you'll find that unless SG nominates an individual for an award he is only involved as an executive in OStJ nominations.

LE

Im not confused (well I am really, how can a civvie be the buffer on whether or not a nomination goes before the SG? is a serving officers view of why a soldier should receive an award the same as a non-serving civvie? nominations may get to the SG and he says 'bollox, no chance, I'm not signing that fcuker!' or he may have said 'good lad, I'll stick my squiggle on that' to another if he'd actually seen it had it not been binned by this bloke before hand, or maybe the SG has told Mr Civ Div 'dont send me any crap about RAMC other ranks and MBEs, doctors yes but I dont want any johnny come lately having the same gong as me') dispite the title of the thread it is the nominations for the NY and QB lists that I was on about.
I have first hand experience of said civvie giving it the 'dont bother' line.

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