Monthly Archives: October 2012

Post navigation

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT CALL GROUPS LIKE THE SWP “LEFT FASCISTS” BUT IT IS NECESSARY TO CALL THEM “FASCISTS”

THE ARREST OF TOMMY ROBINSON LEADER OF THE EDL, AND OVER 50 MEMBERS OF THE EDL IN AN “INTERNMENT” TYPE SWOOP BY THE BRITISH POLICE, SHOWS FASCISTS LIKE THE SWP WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THE B RITISH POLICE.

Patrick Hayes on “Spiked” has referred to “anti-fascists” preparing a police state. Hayes is right. Yes they are preparing a police state. But Hayes is also wrong. These are not “anti-fascists” and certainly not of the “left” but these are indeed fascists. Groups like the SWP are Fascists. Not to be called ever “Left Fascists”.

Hayes is right on t he following report:

The modern anti-fascist left has provided plenty of justification for increased state control over political to and fro in modern Britain. It has strengthened the use of public-order laws over political freedom, and it has empowered the state to govern all forms of political speech. That control extends not just to the statements and actions of ‘fascist’ groups, but also to the statements and actions of left-wing groups and anti-fascists, too.

So for the next 30 days, any group – regardless of its grievance – is banned from marching in Walthamstow and the rest of the borough of Waltham Forest and in the nearby boroughs of Tower Hamlets, Newham and Islington. This blanket ban is directly down to the campaigning efforts of left-wing anti-fascist protesters, who have spent the past month taking to the streets to get people to join local Labour MP Stella Creasy in signing a petition to ban the EDL from entering Walthamstow. The successful campaign for a ban was celebrated by Creasy who, ironically, claimed it meant ‘our community can get back to its normal, peaceful and tolerant state’.

hayes is absolutely correct to draw attention to this Labourite Creasy. This very much reminds me of the Stalinist Comintern which insisted that Hitlerism was not all that bad in the months leading to Hitler grabbing state power in 1933.

Sure there are differences. It is a different historical situation. But in both cases the moves of dictatorship by the capitalist state are not being opposed but are being sanctioned by people like Creasy.

I nearly said, out of habit, “people like Creasy on the Left”

But that is precisely what I am challenging on. These are not people of the “left” at all. These like Creasy are Fascists. Everything today is reversed.

Just yesterday we on 4international wrote about this very issue. We are challenging the term “left” fascists. These people like Creasy with their hatreds of Israel and their joining with the state forces against the EDL, are not of the left but are Fascists.

In our defence of Tommy Robinson we are challenging the concept that people like Creasy are of the left.

The Vice Prime Minister of Tanzania has become the first Prime Minister of any Government in the world to make a reference to the hatefulness that is in the Islamic Koran. That in itself is quite amazing. Only one!

The method in the world today is that anybody who points out the hatefulness in the Koran is immediaely condemned as being “racist”.

That is precisely what has happened to Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League. He has been put on remand for 2 months because they allege that he broke a passport rule in entering the United States to attend a function organised by the anti-Jihad fighter Pamela Geller.

That is absurdly extreme. But the British state is moving rapidly to police dictatorship.

I think Tommy Robinson is right, right to take up a struggle in England, based on the great traditions of English Cromwellian history (republicanism), to expose just what is the real nature of Islam.

This is an amazing quote from Jihadwatch.

“Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, ‘You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.’ I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” — Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490

That shows the utter depravity of Islam. We on 4international send Robinson our support just as much as we send Assange our support.

Remember however and also that Tommy Robinson was arrested along with 50 other members of the EDL because they were INTENDING to attend a meeting in Britain. This is full-scale repression.

The big crime of Robinson and the EDL is that they campaign against Islam, which they reckon is a political ideology, and it is indeed a political ideology, because all roads to becoming a Muslim must lead through Sharia Law, which is an extreme political ideology.

Meanwhile in Northern Nigeria over this weekend as Robinson rots in a prison, as indeed does the freedom of speech fighter Julian Assange (a special prison) extreme Islamists planted a bomb in St Rita’s Church.

I would like to know more about St Rita’s Church. I had a very good Nigerian friend and he was educated by Irish Catholic Missionaries in Northern Nigeria. I bet Catholic Irish priests were involved with St Rita’s but I am also pretty sure that the Irish Media will be pretty silent on black Nigerian Catholics being murdered.

Julian Assange rots in his Embassy Cell, Catholics are blown to smidereens in Northern Nigeria, The President of the United States gives up so much that he allows his Ambassador (Stephens) be assasinated although it was totally within his power to save him.

meanwhile the world is totally silent as Iran speeds on its way to build Nuclear Bombs and the purpose of those bombs, IT CAN EASILY BE ARGUED JUST BY TAKING THE WORDS FROM THE MOUTHS OF THE IRANIAN MULLAHS are directed towards a Second Holocaust of the Jews.

And there is not even sympathy for the plight of Israel and the Jews of Israel.

There is much latent Antisemitism (those who are silent)

And there is just plain open Antisemitism. Much of this is now coming from a left. But here I have great difficulty in calling these Antisemites of Indymedia, Counterpunch, WSWS, SWP etc. as being of the left.

Thus I am turning more and more away from the term given by some to these folks, as being “Left Fascists”.

It must be understood that Antisemitism was not contained in the lives of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky. (More on this as we go along)

Stalin yes. Stalin was filled with Antisemitism but he also was filled with hatred of Leninism, so much so that he poisoned Lenin in order to open his way to power.

(ALL READERS OF 4INTERNATIONAL MUST VISIT THIS SITE (www.slobodan-milosevic.org) TO KEEP INFORMED ABOUT NEW EVIDENCE THAT THE MEDIA LIED AND LIED AGAINST THE SERBS, AND THAT THE MEDIA WAS HIDING THE JIHAD AGAINST THE SERBS)

Written by: Andy Wilcoxson

A controversy surrounding DNA identifications made by the International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP) of victims of the Srebrenica massacre has erupted behind the scenes in the war crimes trial of former Bosnian-Serb President Radovan Karadzic at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague.

Last month, the ICMP issued a press release which claimed that “By analyzing DNA profiles extracted from bone samples of exhumed mortal remains and matching them to the DNA profiles obtained from blood samples donated by relatives of the missing, the International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP) has so far revealed the identity of 6,598 persons missing from the July 1995 fall of Srebrenica.”[1]

The ICTY relied heavily on the ICMP’s findings to convict the defendants in the Popovic trial on charges related to Srebrenica.[2] Prosecutors in the Karadzic trial also intend to make use the ICMP’s findings. The Prosecution has announced that it intends to call the ICMP’s Director of Forensic Sciences, Dr. Thomas Parsons, as an expert witness.[3]

On July 23, 2009, Karadzic asked the Trial Chamber to “allow my experts to see every single piece of material, all the DNA analysis” he said, “my experts cannot rely on newspaper information. They need to have the same material that the [Prosecution] experts were privy to in order to be able to see whether the facts were established correctly and whether the conclusions were established correctly. That’s why my experts have to focus on the same body of material that their counterparts had. This is the only way. They must be able to see everything that the [Prosecution] experts saw and then they will be able to confront them with their expert views.”[4]

He explained to the court that “We want the entire material, and we will take a random sample and choose 300, and if there are major discrepancies among the 300, then we will broaden the sample and continue the procedure.”[5]

On February 10, 2010, Hildegard Uertz-Retzlaff the senior trial attorney for the Prosecution, sent a letter to Karadzic’s defense explaining why his experts would not be allowed access to the ICMP’s data. The letter said:

“The ICMP is an independent third party organization with its own mandate. The Prosecution is unable to simply, ‘contact the ICMP and disclose to the Defence for Mr. Karadzic the entirety of family DNA profiles held on ICMP databases.’ In addition the Prosecution does not possess these databases and therefore is not in a position to disclose them.

“Second, our understanding is that the ICMP has thus far declined to disclose to any party the ‘entirety’ of its family DNA profiles because this would constitute a breach of the assurances provided in the consent forms signed by the family donors. As discussed with your associate Mr. Sladojevic, the issue is not simply one of providing data ‘without names’, as donors have been promised that their DNA will not be disclosed, not merely that there names will not be disclosed or that any disclosure of DNA data would be anonymous.”[6]

Of course this only explains why the ICMP won’t share DNA from the family members of the victims, not why it won’t share the DNA of the victims themselves. Nobody ever promised the victims that their DNA would remain confidential.

Aside from the question of whether the Tribunal ought to rely on DNA evidence that neither the Prosecution, the Defense, nor the judges have any access to, the pretrial judge, Ian Bonomy of Scotland, sided with Karadzic and conceded that “there must be some substance in the suggestion that the Defence should be able to run some tests similar to those done by the [ICMP] with a view to checking the accuracy of what was actually done by them.” He said, “I find it difficult to understand that a person might consent to have material given to a Prosecutor and not realise that the inevitable result of that must be that the Defence would have a pretty strong claim at least for access to it.”[7]

The Trial Chamber, which Judge Bonomy was no longer part of because he only sat on the pre-trial bench, issued an order on March 19, 2010 noting “the Accused’s wish to challenge the conclusions reached by the ICMP” and noting “the Accused’s insistence that he should be provided with the entire family DNA database before he reveals to the ICMP the 300 cases he has selected because of his concerns about the ICMP’s impartiality and suspicion that it would adjust the database in some way in order to ensure [DNA] matches in the 300 selected cases.”

The Order directed “the Accused to immediately complete his selection of 300 cases for further DNA analysis and provide the details of his selection to the ICMP, who will, upon obtaining the necessary consents, be in a position to supply relevant data from the family database.”

The Order, however, did not require the ICMP to provide Karadzic’s experts with access to the complete database on the excuse that “the Accused has not established any basis for his concern that the ICMP would manipulate the database to strengthen its own conclusions.”[8]

The entire purpose of testing the 300 DNA samples is to “challenge the ICMP’s findings”. If they were falsifying their findings, it stands to reason that they would manipulate their database in order to prevent the deception from being uncovered.

On July 28, 2011 Karadzic’s defense team filed a brief explaining that “The testing procedure set forth by the Trial Chamber is its order has one fatal flaw. It allows the ICMP to, without detection, substitute the [DNA] electropherograms of other persons for those who the Accused selected as part of his sample … First, [the Defense] provides the ICMP with the name of a victim—victim A.

“Second, someone at the ICMP realizes that there is a problem with the identification of victim A and does not want this problem to be exposed.

“Third, the person at ICMP solves this problem by providing the defence with the DNA data for victim B, and his brother, representing it to be the DNA data for victim A

and his brother.

“Fourth, Dr. Stojkovic [the Defense expert] examines the DNA data and confirms that it is a correct match—the DNA of the victim matches the DNA of his brother.

“In this way, the substitution of the DNA data remains undetected. Through this method, the results can be cheated or manipulated.

“To prevent this, Dr. Karadzic requires the DNA data of all of the missing persons to be provided in advance. Then, he is able to add one more step to the testing process. After Dr. Stojkovic verifies the match between the Victim A and his brother, he will compare the DNA data of Victim A with the DNA data of Victim A from the database provided at the outset to verify that it is indeed Victim A’s DNA that has been tested.

“Without the ability to take this last step, there is no way for Dr. Karadzic to be sure that the DNA data provided for Victim A is indeed that of Victim A, and not Victim B.

“That is why Dr. Karadzic insists on being provided with the unique DNA bone profiles and electropherograms of all of the missing persons before he makes his selection.”[9]

The Prosecution has adopted a hard line against independent verification of the ICMP’s findings. They filed a brief against Karadzic arguing that “In light of the Accused’s position that he has no intention of testing any samples provided to him under the procedure outlined in the Trial Chamber’s Order on Selection of Cases for DNA Analysis … [the Prosecution] respectfully requests declaratory relief from the Trial Chamber in the following terms: a) The Accused is in breach of the Order; and b) The ICMP is not obliged to provide 300 sample case files to the Accused under any procedure, or subject to any preconditions, outside the terms of the Order.”[10]

One has to wonder why the ICMP gave the donors the expectation of confidentiality regarding their DNA samples in the first place. It seems irrational for anyone who isn’t living in a hermetically sealed bubble to expect confidentiality given that people leave trace amounts of their DNA everywhere they go and on practically everything they touch. A person’s DNA is in every cell of their body and in virtually every biological substance secreted by it. Forensic scientists can extract a person’s DNA from the oils left behind in their fingerprints.[11]

The ICMP was established in 1996 at the urging of the then US President Bill Clinton.[12] The Commission was described by Senator John Shattuck as “A major U.S. initiative to support the peace and reconciliation process in the former Yugoslavia” in his capacity as Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor in a speech before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on May 12, 1998.[13]

The chairmen of the ICMP have, without exception, been Washington insiders since its founding in 1996. The ICMP’s first chairman, Cyrus Vance (1996-97) was the US Secretary of State under Jimmy Carter. He was succeeded by Bob Dole (1997-2001) the 1996 Republican presidential candidate and career politician who spent almost 30 years in the US Senate. In 2001 the U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell handpicked James Kimsey (2001-2011) to head-up the ICMP. In 2001 Kimsey was succeeded by the former American ambassador to Bosnia, Thomas Miller (2011-current).[14]

It should also be noted that the ICMP’s lab operated for years without professional accreditation, and that the majority of identifications made by the ICMP were made before their lab obtained accreditation in late 2007.[15]

Discrepancies have also been found between the ICMP’s findings and the original military records of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The ICMP claims to have found the mortal remains of at least 140 soldiers in Srebrenica-related mass graves whose original military records listed them as having been killed months, and in many cases years, before Srebrenica fell. The Bosnian government has resolved these discrepancies by disavowing the accuracy of their original military records and amending them to match the ICMP’s findings.[16]

Imagine for a moment that the shoe were on the other foot. Imagine if somebody like former Russian President Vladimir Putin took the initiative to establish an NGO to investigate allegations of atrocities committed by an ally of the United States against an ally of Russia during a war where the Russians attacked the same American allies they sought to investigate. Now imagine that the chairmen of this NGO were all somehow connected to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

In addition, let’s suppose this NGO publishes findings claiming the American allies had massacred — let’s say 6,598 people, and that they were able to conclusively prove this through DNA analysis in a lab that didn’t have professional accreditation when most of the DNA identifications were made.

Now let’s suppose that American scientists ask to see the underlying DNA evidence upon which the Russian NGO’s findings are based so that they can test it for themselves and verify the findings, but the Russians refuse to cooperate on the pretext that doing so would be unduly burdensome and a violation of the privacy rights of the victims and their families.

If that happened, would anyone in the West believe the Russian NGO’s findings? Not in a million years would anyone believe it. And if the Russians tried to use those findings as evidence in a criminal prosecution of the political leadership of the accused American allies, they’d be accused of staging a political show trial – and rightly so.

One can not claim with certainty that the ICMP is lying about the DNA identification of Srebrenica massacre victims, nor can anyone claim with certainty that they’re telling the truth. That’s the unfortunate position we find ourselves in today.

What is significant is that the ICMP’s founders and executives are closely linked to the American political establishment and that the ICMP will not permit independent scientific verification of its findings and the underlying data behind them. Their refusal to submit their data and their work for independent scientific review means that their claims can be falsified and it diminishes the weight that can be attached to them.

[6] Prosecution’s letter to Karadzic’s Defense Team entitled “Response to your request for materials from ICMP during the recent status conference as well as Mr. Sladojevic’s e-mail dated 29 January 2010” dated February 20, 2010

[12] Aida Cerkez-Robinson, The Independent on Sunday, “In Bosnia, each funeral never ends; Bone by bone, victims of the Srebrenica massacre are being identified, pieced together and, finally, laid to rest.”, July 12, 2009

[13] Prepared Statement of John Shattuck Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, May 12, 1998

Darkness Descending in England

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain. The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BFP).

(4INTERNATIONAL SAY ABOUT THESE ARRESTS

It is amazing is it not that it takes a freedom loving woman who lives in New York, not Britain, to raise an opposition to these police arrests of Robinson and co. The situation in Britain is all about media frenzy over sex, but police planning dictatorship,

This more than anything shows that there is no opposition at all from the present “left” to the plans of British Capital to instal a dictatorship in Britain, in which Sharia will be a component part)

(PAMELA GELLER TELLS THE STORY OF BRITISH POLICE MOVES TO DICTATORSHIP)

I spoke with Kevin Carroll about his recent arrest and that of Robinson and Weston, and he told me the appalling details.

Carroll told me that British authorities tried everything in the book to stop him from running for police and crime commissioner (PCC) for the Bedfordshire Police Authority. Nonetheless, he officially won the right to run for PCC last Friday. But then, the very next day, British authorities carried out these mass arrests of EDL and BFP members, stripping them and forcing them to wear white paper overalls like those given to incarcerated terrorists. They were allowed no phone calls.

Meanwhile, British police raided the homes of Carroll, Robinson, and three others who had been arrested. “They absolutely ransacked mine,” Carroll told me. “They smashed the door off and wrecked my home. They took my only vehicle, with all the tools of my trade inside, and impounded it, as well as Tommy’s car.” The police, the bomb squad, forensics teams, and sniffer dogs spent seven and a half hours stripping Carroll’s van to the bone. “When they finished,” he said, “they found nothing! They loaded it up with bugs and GPS monitors and threw everything in the back; it looks like it’s been in a blender.”

After smashing the door to Carroll’s home off its hinges, police officials repaired it, got a locksmith to put on a new lock, and left with the new keys, leaving Carroll locked out of his own home. When Carroll was released, still wearing his white paper prison suit, it was dark and raining; true to form, police officials offered him no transportation, even though it was late at night on a Sunday.

Robinson is being held in Wandsworth prison, an old and antiquated structure with a large population of Muslim prisoners. Weston was arrested and later released without charge for refusing to leave a reception area without information about Robinson. And it is clear why officials would not want that information to get out: not only has Robinson been placed with the general prison population instead of segregated for his own protection, but prison officials have even put him in a cell with hostile Muslims. He was allowed to call his wife Jenna, and he told her that he knew it was going to be “lively” in the cell. That was an understatement: prison officials have deliberately put Robinson in physical danger and even imperiled his life. Carroll contacted a high-ranking police official to request that Robinson be segregated, and she received a promise that he would be, but it hasn’t happened yet — and Robinson has even been denied bail.

“They are really coming at us with everything,” Carroll told me. “I’m even on police bail at the moment for ‘conspiracy to cause a public nuisance.'” This is a politically motivated and trumped up charge, but in Britain it can carry a life sentence.

According to Carroll, Robinson was incarcerated for leaving the United Kingdom and entering the United States fraudulently for our September 11, 2012 Stop Islamization of Nations free speech conference in New York City. Robinson could get twelve to eighteen months in prison just for that. “They are really turning up the heat here, Pamela,” said Carroll. “They are going after all of us, especially Tommy and me.” The EDL said in a statement: “Tommy has been dragged from one court to another — almost always without any serious chance of conviction — simply in order to help disrupt our activities and to prevent us from voicing our legitimate concerns about the spread of Islamic extremism.”

Carroll’s bail hearing is set for November 30, which gives him just two weeks after the November 15 elections to prepare his defense. Anyone who can vote for Bedfordshire police authority commissioner and who loves freedom should vote for Kevin Carroll; it could be your last hope to preserve the freedom of speech and the principle of the equality of rights for all people in Britain.

Clearly the establishment elites in Britain are extremely worried that Carroll might win and upset the entrenched culture of accommodation to Islam and sharia; in fact, one of the briefs in Carroll’s case actually stated that this was why he was arrested — because he is running for PCC. The dhimmi elites understand that this could be the beginning of their end. “The police,” said Carroll, “are out to finish us on behalf of the establishment.”

This is a defining moment in British history, as significant as any major turning point. It is in many respects like the Night of the Long Knives, which marked the point of no return from Nazism for Germany. With these outrageous and politically motivated arrests, Britain has entered a dark and dangerous new era. Said Weston: “The full power of the State appears to be concentrating on shutting down any political dissent. This does not really feel like a democratic country anymore.”

Carroll is organizing a demonstration outside Wandsworth prison this coming Saturday morning. All free citizens in Britain should be there. And is there no one is the political establishment in the U.K. who has any decency, integrity, or spine? No one who will stand up against these outrages?

These are 2 reports from Jihadwatch about the planned mass murder in Britain by Jihadists.

No reports on this from the Fascist Left. Indymedia. SWP, and many others I have looked up…nothing.

They just ignore the reality because the reality does not fit in with their dogma, the dogma being that Islam is revolutionary and potentially socialist because it opposes American Imperialism.

The Fascist Left often add the word “objectively” against American Imperialism. And they think “potentially” socialist.

It is all total rubbish and is an insult to socialist, materialist, truthful thought.

If these bombs had gone off as the Jihadists planned! Look at the London tube bombings and the Madrid train bombings? it was workers of all ages and professional working people who were caught up and if they went off today in Madrid it would be a large percentage of unemployed working class youth.

This present left is absurd!

And they wonder why some people seem to dislike Islam. “‘Jihadists talked of building an Ultimate Mowing Machine,'” by Paul Cheston for the London Evening Standard, October 23 (thanks to Jay):

A jihadist gang accused of plotting suicide bombings more devastating than the 7/7 attacks on London talked of building an ‘Ultimate Mowing Machine’ to kill and maim.Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, from Birmingham, have pleaded not guilty to engaging in conduct in preparation for terrorist acts.

But the prosecution claims that in covert recordings made by police after the men returned from Pakistan they are heard talking about putting sharp blades on the front of a truck and “running” into people, the court heard.

Recorded speaking on September 10, they discussed an idea for a weapon that had been published in an outlawed extremist online magazine called Inspire under the headline “The Ultimate Mowing Machine”.

It was an article the prosecution said the defendants were clearly aware of.

Naseer said: “So Ashik, it feel like I’ve been driving a monster truck, you know.”

Khalid said: “Yeah and do what AQ (al Qaida) said, put that blades at the front of it and trample on everyone.”

He continued later: “Just drive it into people in (a) crowded area.”

The men also discussed what would happen to their bodies after they had been martyred in a suicide attack, the court heard.

In what the prosecution caled a “very telling exchange”, they discussed where they would be buried in Birmingham while being watched by surveillance officers driving through the Small Heath area of Birmingham on September 11 last year.

Khalid and Naseer also talked about people “getting killed” in their local area and how no one would come there any more because it would be a “little war zone”, the court heard.

Khalid was recorded saying: “This earth here ain’t ever be the same, how these people think that, all everyone’s gonna be merry merry kuffar are gonna come and eat and drink here, it’s not gonna happen, because after we’ve done, Insha’Allah, yeah, after later on, yeah.”

He added: “These people are gonna be getting killed and that here, there’s gonna be little war zone, yeah.”

In another conversation he described Westerners as evil, saying: “All I’m saying is look how much hatred they have for Islam.

“That does make you go mad.”

Yes, and just look at the love overflowing from these guys, and see how unjustified that hatred is!

The men were recorded taking a large flatscreen television to their flat, on which to watch violent videos.They were also heard boasting that they had been contacted by a potential “investor” who they hoped might give them up to £10,000.

A Dawah charity shop was going to be used as a cover to recruit more people to their cause and they planned to set up charity stalls selling cakes and perfume in Coventry, Leicester and Walsall.

Naseer was recorded talking about the September 11 al Qaida bombers and how they increased their iman (faith) by “doing 10 (chapters of the Koran) a day”, while talking to an associate….

“Terror trial: Estranged wife wanted to be ‘fourth lion,'” from the BBC, October 25 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The estranged wife of a man accused of plotting a terror attack offered herself as a helper in an attempt to win him back, a court has heard.In a reference to the spoof film Four Lions, Salma Kabal asked Ashik Ali if she could be the “fourth lion”, Woolwich Crown Court was told.

Brian Altman, QC, prosecuting, said she was snubbed by him and is not on trial.

The jury has heard the trio planned to set off a series of suicide bombs in an attack which prosecutors said would have dwarfed the 7 July 2005 bombings in London and two of the men had received terror training in Pakistan.

Mr Altman told the jury Ms Kabal did not know what the group were planning as Mr Ali withheld details from her.

‘Lioness’

She offered to be the “lioness” of the group, the court heard.

Mr Ali told his wife he wanted to fight the jihad – or holy war – overseas but did not want to get her involved, the court heard.

Mr Ali said he still loved her but said he did not think she could adapt to fight the jihad abroad, and made reference to drone strikes, the court heard.

Mr Altman said the group made reference to the film Four Lions, in which a group of incompetent terrorists wear fancy dress in a comedy plot, and Mr Ali laughingly told his wife: “Oh, you think this is a flipping Four Lions. We’re one man short, there’s three of us. We ain’t Four Lions yet.”

Ms Kabal replied: “I’ll be your fourth one.”

Mr Ali said: “You can’t be the fourth one.”

Ms Kabal said: “Lioness.”

Mr Altman said: “That may be the arithmetic in the context of the film title, but the comment, couched in a joke, and made in order to divert her, is telling.

“It is telling because it reveals, we suggest, the truth, that there were three of them together but they were not planning a trip abroad to fight jihad.”

The prosecution claims Mr Naseer and Mr Khalid went to the Taliban stronghold of Waziristan, in Pakistan, in the summer of 2011 for training.

In another echo of a plotline in the 2010 film, Mr Ali joked with his wife about blowing up Muslims in Birmingham, the court heard.

‘Vaseline plot’

As Ms Kabal tried to ask him again about his alleged plans, Mr Ali said: “The General Saab, you know, the command we send from high above, innit, hierarchy is that you should blow your Muslims up man, yeah.

“Blow up all the Muslims around Alum Rock up innit and Washwood Heath and Aston”.

The court heard the group discussed various alternatives to a bomb attack, including mixing poisons into Vaseline or Nivea and then rubbing it on car doors, in an attempt to kill “about 1,000 people”.

In a bugged conversation, the court heard, Mr Naseer recalled: “You know like the door handles on a whole, imagine putting it on whole like area innit overnight and when they come in the morning to work they start touching the, they open the door and then five minutes they die man, all of them start dying and that, kill about 1,000 people.”…

This is a very important theme. Why are the feminists so silent on Islam, and the treatment of women under Islam?

(Start Jihadwatch story here)

Sharia in action in Somalia: Woman stoned to death for adultery

Stoning adulterers is not “extremist”; it is Islamic law. The caliph Umar, one of Muhammad’s closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur’an:

‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.” (Bukhari, vol. 8, bk. 82, no. 816)

“Allah’s Apostle” is, of course, Muhammad, who did indeed carry out stonings. Here is the hadith in which he challenges the rabbis about stoning, and in which there is amidst the barbarism and brutality a final act of love and compassion:

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, “Lift your hand.” When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar said, “I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 56, no. 829)

Even the monkeys practiced stoning, according to another hadith:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. (Bukhari, vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 188)

Muhammad’s example is, of course, normative for Islamic behavior, since “verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much” (Qur’an 33:21).

A young woman was stoned to death Thursday in Somalia after being convicted of engaging in out-of-marriage sex, reports say.Residents of Jamama town, 425km south of Mogadishu in Lower Juba region, said that militants loyal to Al-Shabaab carried out the stoning at the town’s main square in late afternoon.

“Many residents were called to attend the execution of the punishment,” a resident who requested anonymity for own safety told Kulmiye, an independent broadcaster in Mogadishu.

He added that Al-Shabaab officials in the town witnessed the stoning.

“The woman admitted having out-of-marriage sex,” said an Islamist official who talked to the crowd after the stoning was completed.

“This type of punishments that are compatible with Sharia (Islamic laws) will be administered,” said the official….

This raises the issue of sicide bombing and what it is. The PLO of Arafat after signing the OSLO “Peace” Accords with Israel then sent wave after wave of suicide bombers to blow up ordinary Jews and also Arabs on buses and in pizza parlours, pubs etc. The Wall which the Fascist Left opposed put a stop to this.

ETA and the IRA did something similar but not “suicide”. However the Tamil Tigers did.

It goes without saying 4international as a socialist movement condemns these totally.

This latest episode of suicide bombers is most revealing. They were recruited in Malaysia, trained in Yemen, then try to enter Lebanon, and from there??? Were they going to attack Assad on behalf of Al Qaida, also though on behalf of Obama and Clinton?

Tiny minority of extremists update: The ideology that inspired these two as yet unidentified Malaysians to travel to the Middle East intending to commit murder is of course undisclosed and unexamined in the following Malaysian media piece. The words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are in fact not stated anywhere in the article, but the word ‘jihadist’ is indeed mentioned in paragraph seven. Of course everyone knows that jihad is a purely peaceful internal spiritual struggle, and that Islam is actually moderate, tolerant, peaceful, pure and noble. So how these wayward Malaysians decided to commit murder in the name of an ideology that shall not be named is no doubt fated to remain a mystery. From “Lebanon arrests two Malaysian suspected suicide bombers,” The Star, 28 October 2012:

KUALA LUMPUR: The Lebanese authorities have arrested two Malaysians believed to be suicide bombers and suspected to be linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.

The two, aged 21 and 28, were nabbed at Beirut International Airport.

Malaysian ambassador to Lebanon Ilango Karuppannan confirmed that the duo were picked up several days ago.

“They will be brought to court on Monday (tomorrow) and we will ask them whether they require counsel,” he told Bernama.

On Thursday, Lebanon’s Al-Joumhouria newspaper, quoting security sources, said the Malaysians were detained by army intelligence on charges of being al-Qaeda members.

Investigations revealed they were recruited into al-Qaeda by another Malaysian before being taken to Yemen where they met other members of the organisation.

Al-Joumhouria said that about two months ago, the two Malaysians had tried to enter Syria via Turkey on a jihadist mission to carry out suicide attacks.

Their planned attacks were coordinated by a man who was said to be responsible for the entry of all jihadists into Syria.

When the two Malaysians failed to enter Syria, they decided to head to Lebanon to carry out terrorist attacks but their activities caught the eye of the army intelligence.

Meanwhile, YVONNE LIM reports that the families of the suspects had been notified.